LinuxSantabreaking news12:00
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mjt"don't run anything but very few things as root" (don't run as administrator on win - who follows this advise nowadays?).  keep your system up-to-date wrt local root vulnerablilites and so on.12:00
ferrisone virus that i found is called Slapper12:00
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Setitebut yea i suppose of what their is to be known most people know windows better... i mean what is there to know12:00
ferrisit was written for linux apache servers12:00
Setitei hate virii people12:00
Setitei dont understand why they get such a kick out of messing with peoples systems12:01
xskoulaxin central europe linuxsanta12:01
ferrisit is the challenge of programming12:01
ogramjt: updates are run automatically for hoary on in ubuntu, the sudo infrastructure to not  always run as root is already in place...where would be the hole ?12:01
hazza96my sound stops working about 10 sec after logging in12:01
mjtthat old lpd exploit -- it was a real virus which exploited buggy lpd (buffer overflow) running as root, installing some stuff on the machine and continuing scanning for other hosts -- that was a real stuff, and some machines has been infected.  cicra 2002, no?12:01
mjtogra: human minds ;)12:02
xskoulaxferris, if it was just the challenge they would find the flaws and then pass them on so they can be fixed12:02
xskoulaxso its also the "hah j00 g0t pwn3d"12:03
ogramjt: true, but with a really safe system...even if the win/lin situation were the opposite there wouldnt be very much viruses12:03
mjtthere's no need for a virus to run as root, btw: for many tasks it's enouth to run as any user12:03
ferrisxskoulax: I guess that depends on WHAT they are looking at as a challenge?12:03
ogramjt: not for critical stuff12:04
ferrisok, so I guess I will delete BitDefender12:04
mjteg, to scan more hosts, to send itself via email, to install an open proxy or to send spam - no need in root privileges.  To start on every boot, add a line into ~/.profile. and so on12:05
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ogramjt: but lets stop this now..... you wont leave your position and i wont leave mine12:05
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ferrishey, one question about linux and viruses....12:05
ograferris: grr12:05
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kayalihi there12:07
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mjtthere aren't many viruses, but they do exists (not that there's much "use" of them for their writers except of "gee, i'm great hacker" attitude).  but it does not mean there's no need to "worry" (whatever) about "linux viruses".  a virusscanner nowadays is really overkill, but the rule is: BE SMART. that's it, nothing more...12:08
xskoulaxahhh i think me an mjt are on the same page afterall12:08
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mjtand that "be smart" is especially important for developers...12:09
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Setitewell ive never gotten a deadly virus on windows... since 97... because ive been smart12:11
Setiteand no virus scanner12:11
Setitejust a spyware thing that i whip out if my pc acts weird12:11
Setitedeadly meaning needing to reinstall windows, reformat or such... there was that one mp3 virus in the napster days that pissed me off12:12
thoreauputicSetite: well, you didn't really need a virus to have windows crash in 1997 :)12:12
kayaliSetite: well... how would a smart person avoid a worm that installs automagically through some RPC service, with no user action? (think blaster...) ?12:12
xskoulaxlol @ thoreauputic12:12
Agrajagremote procedure call12:12
Setitesmart and lucky then12:12
Setiteand how would one get that12:13
Agrajagnot lucky12:13
kayaliindeed lucky ;)12:13
GentleHatemongeranybody have a recommendation as far as a firewall goes?12:13
Setitei dunno if i have any RPC services runnign12:13
Agrajagjust dumb on the part of MS12:13
xskoulaxor just in the dark about what your mechine is really up tp12:13
Setitegentle... a good router works for the most part12:13
kayaliSetite: those were running by default on all windows boxen ;)12:13
GentleHatemongeryes, but I want a software one as well12:13
Agrajagtheir RPC implementation has more holes than a chuck pahlaniuk novel12:13
kayaliSetite: don't ask why12:13
Setiteoh... i probably dont have it then12:13
Setitei run slipstreamed warez windows12:13
Setiteits heavily modified12:14
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mjtit was long ago when i installed win the last time.. but the first thing i always did was to inspect all services running and turn off about 3/4 of them12:14
Setitei dont know what he does... but i know he has alot of worthless, unsafe stuff disabled and/or removed12:14
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mjtafter that, machine runs alot faster too...12:15
Setitebut its just what i use until I have the balls to jump to linux12:15
kayaliok, today is my hoary day... hope I'll survive ;)12:15
Setitemjt... isnt that the truth12:15
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Setitei killed alot of services and this pc finally performs as it should... still could be faster... but its a celeron and winxp... what can i expect12:15
xskoulaxa switch to linux in the future?12:15
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xskoulaxif windows dosn't install right this time, I'm going to have to find out what games are supported with winex/cedega, and open an ebay account to flog the rest12:17
mjtthat RPC and other services stuff is really vendor's fault: don't turn everything on by default, and that's where we have a way for improvements12:17
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mjtso, anyone know which package "messes up" with devmapper in ubuntu?12:44
Setitehappy corporately influenced consumer driven holidays to all12:44
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mjtthat problem with /dev/hdb1 mounting which briansanders4 was seeing -- the device really was busy, used by devmapper layer for some yet unknown reason - i'm curious which package thinks the partition is a part of some devmapper device..12:45
mjtit wasn't trivial to figure out why it was busy... ;)12:46
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kayalidamn, ubuntu is making me love gnome... how beautiful it is...12:47
huttanhmm, anyone know if gaim supports webcam?12:48
kayalihuttan: it doesnt12:48
kayalihuttan: however, gaim-vv is trying to...12:49
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huttanah, thanks...i'll check that up12:49
kayalihuttan: still very alpha though :)12:49
huttankayali, if i get 1 look of this girl live it will be enough :p12:49
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Setitedoes gaim have IRC?12:55
Setitei think i want to try a ubuntu live cd12:56
Setiteis there one?12:56
ArCHoNKoGwhat is the latest verion of gnome thoes ubuntu has12:56
ctd2.9 (in Hoary)12:57
Setiteyea hoary is newer12:57
Setitehey ctd... following patterns Hoary final release will have 2.10 right?12:57
ctdUbuntu & GNOME run off the same release schedule.. infact.. the same release manager, too.12:58
ArCHoNKoGand ubuntu is debian based ?12:58
ctdArCHoNKoG: yes12:58
Setitewhere do i get the livecd12:58
Setiteindeed it is debian... woo hoo12:58
Setitei like the selection that affords12:58
ctdSetite: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ or various mirrors12:59
ArCHoNKoGlatest kernel also ?12:59
Setiteim confused12:59
Setitewhere is the livecd12:59
Setitewhats it under12:59
ctdSetite: http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/warty/release/warty-live-i386.iso01:00
ArCHoNKoGwhat isthe site so i can see the list of ports01:00
ctdArCHoNKoG: Something along the 2.6 line01:00
Setiterelease ok01:00
ArCHoNKoGor where the pakages list is01:00
Setiteunder releases.,.. is there a difference from the folders labeled by name or version?>01:01
Setitelike there is hoary and warty, but also 4.10 and 5.0401:02
Setitenow i know 4.10 is warty01:02
Setiteand 5.04 is hoary01:02
Setitebut why does it have 4 folders01:02
Setitethere is 4.10, 5.04, warty, and hoary folders... i dont get it01:02
Setitelooks like they have the same stuff in them... hmmm01:03
ctdSetite: hoary & warty are just symlinks to their appropriate version number.01:03
Setiteshould i try the hoary live cd?01:03
ArCHoNKoGubuntu is forcused on gnome ?01:03
Setiteoh symlinks... ok01:03
Setitearch yes01:03
ctdArCHoNKoG: yes01:03
ArCHoNKoGnice ok01:03
ArCHoNKoGwhat version should i downlaod01:03
ctdSetite: Not unless your prepared for something to not work01:03
Setiteyea thats what im wondering01:03
Setiteoh ok01:04
Setitelike what wont work01:04
ctdArCHoNKoG: warty01:04
Setiteive never had hardware problems at all to this date01:04
ArCHoNKoGhas long it supports my video card01:04
ArCHoNKoGi don't care01:04
ctdSetite: Anything may or may not.01:04
Setitebut since i already downloaded the 64bit warty for my other rig i might as well get the 32bit warty livecd01:04
Setitewill hoary react differently/01:05
Setiteor look different01:05
Setitei plan to install ubuntu on my main rig next weekend... for now im just getting by on the family pc... i hate this thing01:05
etorixhoary is dev version .. some stuph may not work01:05
ctdhoary won't be *that* much better for a livecd.01:06
Setitenvm their is no hoary livecd01:06
ctd"there" :)01:07
Setitei just want to see ubuntu before next weekend as i imagine it will be different from the fedora core 3 64 and suse 32 9.2 livecd ive already tried01:07
Setiteand for now im not doing anything that is necessarily windows only...01:07
Setitei should get my mp3s on a cd real quick though01:07
Setitethat was my mistake with suse livecd... i had nothing i could do on it01:09
Setiteso ctd... you have windows in your home at all?01:10
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Setitehaha we have a comedian in the room01:11
Setiteim just trying to see how many folks are liberated... im especially looking for liberated gamers01:11
Setiteand no i dont consider tux racer to be a game01:11
etorixha ha01:12
Setiteof the grip which MS holds so firm01:12
mjti played hard some 20 years ago..01:12
Setitethey are getting their ass kicked in europe it seems01:12
speelliberated games? lol what does that mean free gamers?01:12
xskoulaxlol @ mjt01:12
Setitethink abotu it man01:12
Setiteim talking about gamers who successfully use linux and have no need to hop over to windows to game01:13
Setitecontext man context!01:13
Setitetheir legal/turf war win linspire in europe is quite amusing01:13
ArCHoNKoGxorg or xfree for ubuntu01:13
speelwell if game companys succesfully port there games to linux people woulent use win01:14
ArCHoNKoGfor install ?01:14
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mjtnot both, they conflicts with each other01:14
Setitespeel... not gonna happen01:14
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Setitemjt... a review i read said somethign to that effect... so i wasnt sure...01:14
speelmight .. you have unreal tournament and doom 3 both huge games and avalible on linux01:14
xskoulaxbah europe should just outlaw microsoft fullstop01:14
Setitespeel... it wont happen... until their is a universal thing that beats directx we may never see natively compatible games for linux01:15
Setiteon the widescale01:15
Setiteyea but those are two of how many games01:15
speelwell thats why we have consoles :D01:15
Setitebut consoles dont live up....01:15
Setiteill just pray that cedega can keep up01:15
mjti think linux isn't quite ready for games (unless you have really fast machine which can run wine/whatever)01:15
Setiteyea i have one...01:15
mjtbut modern games already require fast machine01:16
Setiteamd64 3200 dtr overclocked to 2500mhz and a 6800GT slighly overclocked01:16
Setitethats another thing...01:16
Setitelinuxers dont necessarily need TOTL pc's01:16
speellol i rather have madden 05 for ps2 then comp or nfsu2 for ps201:17
Setiteso that also causes developers to shy from linux... because it has such a free/cheap aspect01:17
Setitetop of the line01:17
Setitetrying to save space... sorry01:17
mjtand btw, i don't have windows - both at home and at work.  Well, i have a win partition here which i use to "debug" new worms/viruses01:17
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Setitexskoulax... no worries... most people dont know what it means... i just put it out there and hope people dont ask01:18
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Setitetime for more turkey01:18
speelwhat i kinda find funny is people who buy alien ware 2000$ comps just to play games ... that is so sad01:19
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xskoulaxyea that is sad01:19
squeegywhy is it sad?01:19
speel2 grand just to play games? .. lol just buy a xbox or ps2 for 15001:20
xskoulaxits a waste of money squeegy01:20
squeegyi agree it's a waste of money01:20
mjtxbox is a fast pc, yeah... ;)01:20
squeegybut fail to see why it is sad01:20
gwildoryou could build a gaming box just as good/better for much less01:20
squeegyxbox is a slow pc01:20
xskoulaxyou could play those games at same level or damn close to it for less01:20
speelyea for 150$ lol01:21
squeegykids who buy alienware buy it for the "image"01:21
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gwildorand that is sad01:21
speelthat to01:21
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Setitepeople who buy alienware are fools01:22
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Setitei spend too much money on gaming as it is....01:22
squeegythey just don't know any better01:22
mjta friend of mine uses xboxes as servers at his office - about 10 of them01:22
gwildormaybe one of their laptops.....if you needed to game that badly01:22
Setitebut people who buy alienware and dell xps gamers scare me01:22
Setitei mean its just cheaper to build them yourself01:22
gwildorXbox;s as servers...what a grand idea01:22
Setitesimilar systems to the dells and alienwares can be created for 500+ dollars less...01:23
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squeegySetite: heh, i don't think people buying alienware pc's know how to build a pc themselves01:23
Setiteyou pay for the name with alienware... with dell i dunno what you pay for01:23
squeegyalienware serves it's market well01:23
Setitei think people who buy alienwares.. should pay me to build them...01:23
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mjtthey're somewhat unreliable for that usage (i for one will never use non-ecc memory on any server, or ide disks for that matter)01:24
Setitealso alienware and voodoo and such... laptops... are just screaming to be stolen01:24
squeegySetite: will you give them a warranty though?  I'd imagine alienware provides them.01:24
squeegySetite: all laptops are screaming to be stolen01:24
Setitewell they will get warranties with all the individual components...01:25
Setitetheir isn't much alienware gives you that is worth the extra cash...01:25
xskoulaxso thats what the dell customer gets then, a single company to bitch at instead of several01:25
squeegySetite: alienware provides a lot in the minds of their customers01:25
squeegyor else they would be out of business01:26
Setitewell i suppose... but i would tell them to order the parts from newegg.... newegg is more fun to bitch at then dell anyday01:26
xskoulaxit makes up for a small pecker to start with01:26
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squeegyxskoulax: :)01:26
Setiteyea just like ms provides excellent security in the mind of their customers01:26
squeegySetite: well it would seem 90% of "customers" out there are ignorant01:26
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Setitei wonder how many linuxers voted bush01:33
Setiteactually... i stand alone01:33
Setiteas an african american republican linuxer01:33
squeegyi voted libertarian01:33
Setitenevada ballot sucked01:33
Setitethere were like 8 choiices for president and VP01:34
GoneBoBI voted for a less-screwed political system01:34
squeegyi'm sick of politics tho01:34
Setitewhy would you even put these people no one as heard of01:34
GoneBoBthen I got one, but the general public are still delusional01:34
Setitemaybe ill run for president next year01:34
GoneBoBand we got John Howard back01:34
Setitenevada ballot would probably add me on01:34
xskoulaxSetite, if i have my citizenship by the next election i'd vote for you01:35
Setitethank you01:35
xskoulaxsure as hell can't be worse than what we have01:35
Setitei want to be the first black president01:35
Setiteand i will impose heavy fines on MS for lying to the public01:36
xskoulaxamerica elect a black man01:36
xskoulaxdon't see that happening01:36
Setitehey asshole01:36
xskoulaxi don't01:36
Setiteyou havent met a black man like me yet01:36
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Setiteim not jesse jackson or colin powell01:36
xskoulaxi think that would kick ass01:36
Setitenah... that movie wasnt that good01:36
xskoulaxi didn't watch the movie01:37
Setitesee a black man who "talks black".... will never be elected01:37
GoneBoBI'd liek to see smauel L jackson as pres01:37
Setiteif bush "talked black" he wouldnt be elected01:37
Setitethat would be interesting01:37
Setitehe scares me though01:37
xskoulaxyea but if a black man is elected president i don't want him to be a white guy in black skin01:37
Setiteseen the previews for the new xXx?01:38
xskoulaxwe need some flair in politics01:38
Setitei think vin diesel died01:38
Setitetheir is no such thing as a white guy in black skin...01:38
xskoulaxcarlton banks from fresh prince comes to ming01:38
Setitesuch a view comes from a misconception on what it is to be black01:38
Setiteif your black your black01:39
Setiteregardless of who your parents are or how you were raise01:39
Setitebut yea... i mean colin powell may be light but he is still black01:39
xskoulaxSetite, i don't want a "ghetto" president a black person would be kool though i just don't want a black guy who is acting a part01:39
Setitei dunno if he is mixed01:40
Dzogihow can i add "Tray" to the panel ?01:40
Setite"<xskoulax> yea but if a black man is elected president i don't want him to be a white guy in black skin"01:40
Dzogii can't find "panel", probably because i'm too sleepy . ;-(01:40
GoneBoBSetite: url for xXx trailer?01:40
Setiteyour contradicting yourself in a sense01:40
Setitegonebob... dunno... saw it in the theaters01:40
speelDzogi i think you just rigt click on a panel and click add to panel01:40
Setitebut i would assassinate him...01:41
xskoulaxby white guy, i was speaking of the typical white politician01:41
Setiteif a "ghetto" black man was elected01:41
speelid shoot my self01:41
DzogiI know that part :))01:41
xskoulaxi just want an intelligent person running the show01:41
Setitethe problem is that a high percent of blacks are automatically democrat because they automatically believe that republicans are anti welfar and anti black01:41
Setitei feel the way the democrats treat blacks is worse01:41
Setitethey regard them as mindless and easily controlled01:42
Dzogijust i can't find "System Tray", named differently ? :)01:42
Setitewhich has sadly held true01:42
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xskoulaxthey all treat black people like shit01:42
speelbill cosby for pres .. he knows his shit01:42
xskoulaxall they want is your vote01:42
Setitebut he's ugly01:42
gwildorid vote for the cos01:42
xskoulaxafter that its lets help out those coporations01:42
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_|Imanewbie|_Hello folks, does anyone knows where amsn stores user pics?01:42
Setiteyea but their is a difference in the way it is garnered... i mean when i told a black lesbian lady at work i voted bush01:42
Setiteshe stopped talkign to me01:42
xskoulaxwell she is stupid01:43
Dzogii know about "Notification Area" but it's not the same IMO .01:43
Setiteshe is annoying and very hard on the eyes so i dont care01:43
Setitebut she acts as if i dont exist01:43
Setiteshe feels betrayed01:43
Setitei mean that disgusts me that she feels i should automatically be a democrat because i vote black...01:43
xskoulaxi can't stand bush01:43
xskoulaxbut its your vote01:43
Setiteif the falsehoods were laid to rest i think more blacks would change their view01:44
xskoulaxat the end of the day if there is a fair vote i guess i'm kool01:44
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xskoulaxi'm not sure the current voting system in the us allows that though01:44
Setitei mean prior to election i argued with them... stating truths about republican stance on many issues that they brought up... they were horribly misinformed on all of them01:44
ograguys #ubuntu-offtopic01:44
speel.. lol is this a ubuntu help room a political chat .. i forgot01:44
Setiteok im done... David Wallace for president01:44
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Setitexskoulax - i was wondering that since we started01:45
speelhey any unbutu developers in here?01:45
Dzogia bug ? :)01:45
speelnah just wanna see what there up to :)01:46
speeldistro wise01:46
speelguess not01:46
squeegyread the mailing list ubuntu-devel01:47
ograspeel: see all the conference pages on the wiki, the conference just endet at 18th there is a lot of stuff01:47
xskoulaxhow was attendance?01:47
ogragerat ;)01:47
speelah ok thanks ;)01:47
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speelcant wait till the next release :) finally xorg then01:51
xskoulaxanyone know if ati/nvidia are going to do drivers for Xorg01:51
squeegythe nvidia drivers work for xorg01:52
squeegyand quite beautifully01:52
ograthey already committed to do it...not like ati01:52
speellol ati01:52
squeegyespecially with RenderAccel turned on and all the composite goodness01:52
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Setitewhat is xorg01:54
xskoulaxanyways i suppose i ought to go watch the Denver Broncos game, and eat turkey and stuff01:54
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Setitenvm i probably have an explanation in an ebook01:54
etorixati are committed to xorg drivers01:58
Setitethats surprising01:58
Setitethey havent seemed very commited to linux up to this point01:58
etorixsometime in jan .. apparently01:59
etorixwell check in #ati01:59
etorixtheir linux guy runs debian02:00
Setitewho ati's linux guy02:00
ograetorix: you know him ?02:00
etorixim not saying the drivers will work02:00
Setiteis it too much to ask that they have more than one lonely guy in a closet sized office in the linux department02:01
ograyou could convince him to ubuntu02:01
ograif you knew him....02:01
etorixubuntu64 has to work for me first ..02:02
Setiteits not?02:02
etorixok first ting in dmesg is :no method found to access hardware clock02:03
etorixthen theres the nvidia drivers issue02:03
etorix this IS hoary array 202:03
GoneBoBetorix: I got that once, next time I booted, it worked02:04
etorixso its a dev version02:04
Setitehoary... well did it work in warty02:04
Setitewhats the difference between array 1 and 202:04
etorixit never worked on mine02:04
etorixi guess array 2 is newer02:04
etorixdunno .. its the first iso i try02:05
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etorixim still interested tho .. next time ill do a debootstrap02:06
Cloudchaserwhen does hoary come out?02:06
Cloudchaseri thought it was earlier02:06
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Cloudchaseri'm thinking i have to try yet another distro :(02:07
ogracome on , its a 6 months release cycle02:07
Cloudchaseri guess there's no one linux that can do it all02:07
Cloudchaseri know it is ogra02:07
ograwhat is _it_ ?02:07
Cloudchaseri just didn't know when the 6 months startead ;)02:07
ograin oct....02:08
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ograoct. 200402:08
Cloudchaseroh! i see02:08
Cloudchaserwell there's 2 things so far i've found i can't do02:08
speelman i hope ubuntu becomes huge02:08
Cloudchaserone is browse network and copy files to other pcs via file manager02:08
Cloudchaserthe other is my palm issue02:09
ograhmm, works for me02:09
kayaliCloudchaser: you mean gnome can't browse samba shares?02:09
ograi saw your mail....02:09
Cloudchaserbut it could on redhat02:09
Cloudchaseri've been reading people have issue but no solutions02:10
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Cloudchaserand then there's things no linuxes will do...like garmin mapsource02:11
bob2which bug # did these people file?02:11
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Cloudchaseri don't know whats a bug an whats my own stupidity ;)02:11
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kquamme94how's everyone doing?02:13
kayaliCloudchaser: are you running hoary?02:14
kayaliI just noticed hoary broke samba browsing for me ;)02:14
Cloudchaserits broke in warty too02:15
kayaliI can still 'connect to server'02:15
Cloudchaserleast on mine02:15
kquamme94hey guys, what's the URL for the repository that has all the other codecs and stuff02:16
ograCloudchaser: for your palm (there is a solution in one of the mails in the thread): http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002737.html02:16
kquamme94that ubuntu can't host02:16
bob2kquamme94: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats02:16
bob2(that' in the FAQ)02:16
speelkquamme94: http://www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu/#extrarepositories02:16
Cloudchaseri read that thread i think..i must have missed the solution02:17
kquamme94ty......i found it b4 but had to do a reinstall and forgot where it was02:17
speelits coo :)02:17
ograspeel: its not, this guide is full of errors and needs urgent correction02:18
ograspeel: not the repo part tho02:18
speelwhat part of it has an error02:19
Cloudchaserogra it shows one guy got his treo to sync eventuall with alot of tries02:19
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Cloudchaserbut once i hit hte sync button if it doesn't sync the palm hangs02:20
Cloudchaserand i have to reset it..02:20
Cloudchaserand thats with the pilot applet that syncs to evolution02:20
Cloudchaseri tried modprobe usbserial...that had no effect02:20
ograspeel: about a third of the stuff i saw (and i read only a third of it first time today) ...02:21
Cloudchaserso there really wasn't any answer in that thread02:21
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ograspeel: i.e. udo ln -s /dev/ttyUSB1 /dev/pilot02:21
ograoh, sudo02:21
Cloudchaserdone that02:22
bob2Cloudchaser: what was the subject of the thread you started on the user list?02:22
ograCloudchaser: dont 02:22
drspinheh - is there a program that offers functionality similar to iTunes...02:22
Cloudchaseri read 3 other how-to's for it that also said to link to /dev/visor and /dev/palm02:22
drspinmostly the playlist/file management abilities02:22
GoneBoBdrspin: rhythmbox02:22
Cloudchaseri did get it to sync...once02:22
ograand this one is really bad: sudo gedit /etc/sudoers02:22
etorixdrspin:  several of them try ..02:23
Cloudchaserbut i guess i didn't do the right dance combo again to get it to work a second time02:23
drspinRhythmbox doesn't even allow me to press the letter "t" to search to the t's02:23
drspinI have a HUGE music library and Rhythmbox isn't ready yet! but it's a GREAT start!02:24
drspinetorix :: for example??02:24
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bob2muine, for example02:24
bob2I'm yet to see something as useful as cplay, tho02:25
etorixok juk , but my favorite is xfmedia .. which comes with xfce402:25
ograspeel: this is also a real bad one: Replace with the following line02:25
ograyour_system_username    ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL02:25
speeldor what one is that02:25
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ograspeel: makes your system insecure02:26
Cloudchaserogra, the topic was syncing Treo 90 with Jpilot02:26
ograCloudchaser: bob2 asked iirc02:26
bob2well, it's only a bit less secure than the defaultsudo setup02:26
ograbob2: butnothing to advise in a newbie guide02:26
bob2I'm not sure why you'd even bother mentioning it02:26
bob2since by default you have sudo access anyway02:27
LeeColletonI'm at a loss to get my modem working... it's a cirus logic PnP v34 hardware modem in an ISA slot.  wvdial doesn't pick it up.  Any suggestions?02:27
ograbob2: ask the guy that wrote the ubuntuguide, its full of such crap02:27
Cloudchaseri found alot of useful information in the ubuntu guide02:28
Cloudchaseri was very grateful for it too02:28
Cloudchaserthere's a thread in the ubuntu forums where he takes suggestions and corrections i think02:28
bob2some of the examples are pretty terrible02:28
ograheh: # Follow the instructions on screen till02:29
ogra[!!]  Partition disks02:29
ograso do i first partition my disks befor the next step ???02:29
drspinmuine looks promising... is there a package available for it in the repository/02:30
bob2oh, GPL, sanity02:30
ograbtw: this was under topic: How to use Ubuntu Installation CD, to gain root user access?02:30
LeeColletonthere's nothing in the ubuntuguide about modems :-(02:31
bob2drspin: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu02:31
LeeColletonthat seems pretty basic02:31
bob2LeeColleton: have you asked on the list yet?02:31
bob2I'm sure whoever wrote it would take a patch02:31
LeeColletonbob2: no.. I looked over the archives though.  I'll ask there.02:31
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ograhmmm ....... How to modify kernel boot-up arguments, to gain root user access?02:32
bob2oh man02:32
bob2it explains how to do apt-get upgrade out of cron02:32
bob2er, actually, at least the way it's explained it won't actually work02:32
ograi get upset if i read it to long.....02:32
ograit makes the "just works" approach an absurd thing02:33
Marshall[A] [BlackBoxz Radio]  [Server Status] :  Server is currently up and public.02:34
Cloudchaserogra what do you mean?02:35
bob2Marshall[A] : go away02:35
Cloudchasersome things just work in ubuntu and thats really good..but somethings don't "just work" until you do something more ;)02:36
ograCloudchaser: ubuntu has commited itself to make everything "just work" and to offer easy to use tools for all tasks...lots of them are already there02:36
bob2which should be fixed02:36
bob2please file bugs02:36
Cloudchaserfrom what i've seen so far...its doing very well so far02:36
ograCloudchaser: but the guide just igores this02:37
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Cloudchaserhow so ogra?02:37
speelubuntu is the shiznas its the only distro that makes everything work except for the broken cds they sent me lol02:37
Cloudchaserthings like media and java and stuff have to be added separately cause of licensing02:37
ograCloudchaser: so the approach is useless because nobody uses the tools, asks for enhancements or files bugs02:37
Cloudchaserwhat tools?02:38
bob2speel: er, are you sure?02:38
Cloudchaseri'd file some bugs if i know they were bugs and not me being stupid or ignorant02:38
Cloudchaserbut i don't know alot of times02:38
speelyea .. well there not broken but things dont work02:38
bob2for example?02:39
Cloudchaserbecause on red hat 9 for example..i install samba02:39
Cloudchaserand i can browse the network and copy things to shares via the file manager02:39
Cloudchaserbut in ubuntu i can't02:39
speelwell for exaple applications would close for no reason and ive tryed diffrent cds they sent me all the same issue cept for the one cd which i burned my self02:39
ograCloudchaser: if you install samba you install a server....02:39
bob2Cloudchaser: no, that isn't samba02:39
ograCloudchaser: has nothing to do with network browsing02:40
bob2speel: do the md5sums of the cds match?02:40
Cloudchaseri did that ogra and from command line i can do things but not from file manager or from the network browser02:40
speelah i dident check =/02:40
Cloudchaserogra thats where my ignorance comes into play02:40
ograCloudchaser: did you file a bug about that ?02:40
ograCloudchaser: so it can get fixed ?02:40
Cloudchaserbecause i don't know what it is that is wrong02:41
Cloudchaser"it doesn't work" isn't a good way to file a bug ;)02:41
ograCloudchaser: thats not your job....its up to the devs02:41
Cloudchaseri read in the forums that many have the same problem02:41
ograCloudchaser: but if they dont know about it....02:41
Cloudchaserah ok..many times when folks say something doesn't work02:41
ograthey miss to file bugs02:41
Cloudchaserpeople want more info and get kind of touchy because you didn't provide it02:42
Cloudchaserso i get kind of leery of getting jumped on ;)02:42
Cloudchaserok so i'm at the bugzilla02:42
Cloudchasernow...you say its not samba thats the problem02:42
Cloudchaserso i search on...'network browsing' for one?02:43
ograCloudchaser: nobody in ubuntu will get "touchy": http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/02:43
ograCloudchaser: the filemanager is called nautilus :)02:43
drspinsigh - another wait for all my songs to add -- I'm trying muine...02:43
Cloudchaser:is that the network browsing thing too? thats nautilus?02:44
Cloudchasernautilus smb browsing in hoary fails to show files02:44
Cloudchaserok there's one reported02:45
Cloudchasernautilus crash when writing on smbfs02:45
ograCloudchaser: but you are using warty....02:45
ograi guess02:45
ograso its only reported for hoary currently02:45
Cloudchaseris there a different place?02:46
Cloudchaserto report it for hoary?02:46
ograregading that you say that many ppl have this bug thats really sad02:46
Cloudchaseri did searches to see if i could find an answer02:46
Cloudchaserbut no answer, just questions02:47
ograthats my point, obviously nobody reported it for warty, now warty is stable and recieves only security updates.....02:48
ogra...sad thing02:48
Cloudchaseroh i see02:48
Cloudchaseri just got ubuntu couple weeks ago02:48
Cloudchaserand was so impressed it detected everything on my old laptop ;)02:48
Cloudchasereven my wireless02:48
ograwow, great to hear02:49
Cloudchaserand my usb mouse and then my corless mouse02:49
Cloudchaserand i love the way it looks02:49
ograso its olny these two issues ?02:49
Cloudchaserso if i'm complaining its just because...i'm going farther with it :)02:49
Cloudchaserso far those two only02:49
Cloudchasersee...i lost all my palm info cause after i re-did my laptop i discovered i had forgotten to save the palm back up02:50
Cloudchaserthen...i lost all my data ;)02:50
Cloudchaserso now02:50
Cloudchaseri want to install all my apps to the palm again02:50
Cloudchaserand sync regularly and make backups to my new SD card that santa brought me02:50
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Cloudchaserand i have a big hard drive my son got me that holds files and other apps that don't work on windows02:51
Cloudchaseri mean don't work in linux02:51
Cloudchaserlike my gps apps02:51
Cloudchaserwhen hoary goes stable...i'll report any bugs i find ;)02:52
Cloudchaserbut until april i'm thinking i'm just stuck02:52
ogrado it in feb or march... if its stable the same situation as it is for warty now applies02:53
GoneBoBCloudchaser: the whole point of unstable is the have bugs02:54
GoneBoBthen they're reported02:54
GoneBoBand fixed02:54
Cloudchaseroh ok so upgrade to hoary in february?02:54
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Cloudchaseris there a list of hoary bug reports?02:54
Cloudchaseri'd like to see if it was reported in that02:54
GoneBoBat bugzilla.ubuntu.com02:54
ograCloudchaser: that would be a good way... its more stable then, but you also can help02:54
Cloudchaserthats where i am ogra02:55
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Setitei dont understand bug reports02:56
Setiteive seen some i do02:56
Setitebut one was a bunch of nonsense and seemingly no words02:56
ograSetite: if you make one, make it as you like ;)02:57
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bob2"bunch of nonsense"?02:57
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Setiteit was like an error output02:58
Setitebut from my view i had no idea what went wrong02:58
Setitei wasnt able to decipher what file/device/program or anything had what problem02:58
Crane|AFKhello all03:00
Crane|AFKevrery one had a good christmas?03:00
speelyup yup03:00
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Setitemy folks are watching a christmas carol for like the 50th time in their lives03:00
jonohi all03:00
jonomerry christmas03:00
Setitehappy corporately influenced consumer driven holidays03:01
jonoI have changes sources.list to hoary, and when I update and dist upgrade, I can't download linux-restricted-modules for some reason - it gives a 404 on it, any clues?03:01
bob2your mirror may be broken03:02
bob2or in the midle of a mirror pulse03:02
CraneI think I'm gonna paly a littel quake303:02
GoneBoBwhat version03:02
jonoits archive.ubuntu.com03:02
Riddelljono: which linux-restricted-modules, there are many03:03
drspinso far I like muine --03:03
drspinwish it played AAC and did some file management stuff --03:03
Riddelljono: there's five of them, which one are you getting?03:04
jonothats the name of the package03:04
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Cloudchaserok here's a question..if i go to the "computer/network i can see my shares, but haven't mounted them yet...should i be able to use the file manager to copy files to/from or do they need to be mounted?03:05
jonoany ideas?03:06
bob2AAC's a fairly unsupportable format03:06
jonono idea why it won't see the package03:06
bob2it's best to stick to things that aren't quite so heavily encumbered03:06
bob2jono: just wait a bit03:06
bob2jono: if it's not fixed soon, check if you're behind a broken proxy03:06
jonobob2, ok, I will upgrade tomorrow03:06
ograCloudchaser: you just need to open the shares... they mount automatically (normally)03:06
jonobob2, I am not behind a proxy03:06
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jonohave a good christmas all03:06
Riddelljono: there's no linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1, but there is linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1-386 and 686 etc03:07
Cloudchaserthey mount automatically without me having to have an fstab entry?03:07
drspinwhy can't I get my resolution to 1152x864 @85hz?? it works in windws03:07
jonoRiddell, this is 2.6.9-1 38603:07
ograCloudchaser: if you see them already, very likely yes03:07
drspinmax it will show me it 1024x76803:07
bob2I'm pretty sure nautilus doesn't mount them03:08
bob2it just makes them available via gnome-vfs03:08
Cloudchaserok i can see the shares but when i double click on one it pops up message: The folder contents could not be displayed. You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Windows Network: chrisibm".03:08
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ograk, true, but it appears as they are mounted03:08
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Cloudchaserok so then i mount them via the command line03:09
Cloudchaserthen i can ls the contents03:09
Cloudchaserand i can cp a file to it03:09
stuNNedanyone else having troubles with ssh in unstable?03:09
ograCloudchaser: if you make an fstab entry, you can also see / mount them from the disks window03:09
Riddelljono: hang on a couple of minutes, I'll see if I can download it03:10
jonoRiddell, cheers03:10
bob2stuNNed: if they had, they'd have reported it to the bts...03:10
drspindo you have to be a member to get Cadega (wineX) now???03:11
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jonohi neuro_03:11
ogradrspin: was it ever free.... ?03:12
bob2drspin: you have to pay for binaries, yes03:12
spacey`kifunny thing wierd timezone shit. its too late around here. /me zz:)03:12
neuro_Nollaig Chridheil and all that :)03:12
drspinogra: aye - it used to be free right when they came out with point-2-play -- used to use it all the time!03:12
jononeuro_, :)03:12
ograspacey`ki: 3:12 here03:12
spacey`kisame herE:)03:12
Cloudchaserok ogra i mounted the share03:12
bob2you can download some of the source from SF03:12
neuro_2:12 here03:12
spacey`kiguess i'm just a bit too wasted then to find it late:)03:12
Riddellneuro_: and a happy boxing day tae yersel03:12
drspinI need the whole thing...03:13
ograCloudchaser: fine :)03:13
Cloudchaserbut in the "Disks" it shows "windows network"03:13
bob2and they had claimed they would free the whole thing after a certain number of copies were bought03:13
neuro_woo, boxing day03:13
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Cloudchaserand i can't access it03:13
Riddelljono: works perfectly for me03:13
jonoRiddell, really?03:13
Riddelljono: try and apt-get update maybe?03:13
drspinbob2 -- and no one is buying them because they, like me, will wait till it's free ;)03:13
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Cloudchaserif i go to filesystem/mnt/share..it shows nothing03:14
Riddellhmm, I seem to have just installed a new linux build, if my computer won't boot any more I'll blame jono03:14
gwildorhow do i take a screenshot from terminal?03:14
Cloudchaseri guess i have to wait and in the meantime...sneakernet ;(03:14
neuro_Riddell: blame jono for anything - it's prolly his fault regardless :>03:14
ograCloudchaser: post your fstab/mount line for the share03:14
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Cloudchaseri did it manually...i'll try the fstab entry next03:15
jonoI am doing an apt-get update and its still missing this package03:15
drspinhow can I be sure that my Nvidia install was successful and the display will work properly?03:15
ograCloudchaser: i think you have to mount it with a umask option to make it accessible03:15
neuro_drspin: you'll see the nvidia logo pop up full screen before X fires up03:15
Cloudchaseri did03:15
spacey`kihmz in hoary i can play music in rhythembox but xine and totem don't make any sound03:15
huttandrspin, glxinfo |grep string03:15
Riddelljono: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1-386 ?03:16
ograprobably umask=00003:16
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jonoits definitly missing 2.6.9-1-38603:17
xhakerwhats the current kernel on hoary?03:18
gwildorhow do i take a screenshot from terminal?03:18
drspinCadega, the latest version of winex from transgaming.com, cvs download is free. (http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-22057.html)03:19
ogragwildor: either take the whole screen and edit it with gimp03:19
gwildorogra, idk how to take a screen shot03:20
ogragwildor: or take gimp and take a shot from the single win03:20
ogragwildor: in warty its in the computer menu03:20
ogragwildor: in gimp in the file/acquire menu03:20
gwildorogra, im on hoary, and i need to take a SS of my flux setup03:20
gwildorogra, kk, ill try gimp03:21
spacey`kii think 2.6.9-1 is latest kernel on hoary03:21
drspina Cadega CVS howto:: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?page=1&articleid=4503:21
spacey`kiogra, i think alt+ print screen takes screenshot of selected windows03:21
spacey`kiat least it was screen+somekey03:21
ograspacey`ki: in fluxbox ?03:22
drspinspacey -- that's the ubuntu default ;)03:22
spacey`kiogra, works here in gnome:)03:22
ograspacey`ki: fluxbox is not gnome03:22
spacey`kidrspin, i don't know. it seems to work here in ubuntu yes:)03:22
spacey`kioh i missed that he was using fluxbox03:22
ogranot at all03:22
spacey`kibut its too late for me:)03:22
spacey`kigoodnight people:)03:23
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ogranight and merry xmas....03:23
spacey`kimarry xmas:)03:23
spacey`kiuhm merry03:23
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edmondHas anyone had problems with wacom tablets (Graphire), still sticking to the top right after blacklisting evdev?03:28
ograedmond: there are bugs about it...look in bugzilla.ubuntu.com03:29
edmondok thanks03:29
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liquidboycan anyone tell me, you know how with windows if you want to partition the hd, you have to defrag first, well will i have to do anything to ubuntu (i want to partition again)03:31
edmondas far as I know, ext3 doesn't fragment, so no worries03:31
edmondwell, doesn't need defragmented03:31
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ograedmond: seems you have to work a little more to get it to work :(  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WacomTabletIssue03:34
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DeepSpaceAntI can't fake it, just break it, and when I take it See I specialize in making all the girls get naked03:35
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liquidboyok, sweet, just for future refer3ence, what about rieser (spelling?)03:42
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AgrajagI'd recommend reiser3 over ext303:42
Agrajagreiser4, I haven't tried, wouldn't trust it yet03:42
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Setitedamn my next upgrade is gonna cost 671.8703:44
UHA-Ultrahexok, during Ubuntu install , is there a partition setup area where it setups partitions if you dont want to use the entire Disk03:44
Setiteah well.. it must be done03:44
Setitewhats reiser303:47
Setitea format?03:47
liquidboyuha: yes there is, but you might want to use something else if youre a noob... i found it quite confusing (so i just used my mandrake 9 cd to make partitions :P)03:47
Setitehow many formats are there for linux?03:48
UHA-Ultrahexhehe , i was gonna do mandrake but then my CDS failed03:48
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UHA-Ultrahexand then i said fuck it ill just bring back to store and demand a refund03:48
edmondogra: Step 2 doesn't work for me, so I'm stuck. The later steps rely on step 203:49
UHA-Ultrahex10 min and i got Ubuntu03:49
UHA-Ultrahexis there a partition program for Linux like the one for mandrake (alright if its mode dos style) but im just wondering cause it would be alot of help :)03:50
Setiteis there partition magic for linux?>03:51
UHA-Ultrahexya something like that :)03:51
UHA-Ultrahexor fdisk03:51
ograedmond: is the evdev driver not loaded anymore and it doesnt work ?03:51
liquidboyyep, im pretty sure you can set up partitions during the install...03:52
gwildoryeah, you can03:52
UHA-Ultrahexok thanx03:52
gwildorUHA-Ultrahex, you can03:52
gwildori jsut did it03:52
UHA-Ultrahexif this doesnt go smooth ill just do some QTparted03:52
UHA-Ultrahexits jsut cause i dont want it to take my entire 160GB03:52
UHA-Ultrahexrather have like 40GB for Linux and rest FAT32 Mounted03:52
ograUHA-Ultrahex: but why03:52
edmondorga: Originally the evdev driver always loaded, now it never loads. And in both cases, the wacom driver was doing the stuck in corner dance03:53
ograUHA-Ultrahex: 160  are good for unbuntu *g*03:53
UHA-Ultrahexogra: cause im not sure if i want to use linux yet :)03:53
Setiteim ordering a 200giger...03:53
ograUHA-Ultrahex: i was just joking03:53
Setiteand then another 200giger in 2 weeks03:53
UHA-Ultrahexoh ... hehe ogra03:53
Setiteand then after that i may go for some big ones03:54
UHA-Ultrahexwhy not just buy a triple terabyte ?03:54
UHA-Ultrahexits like 250003:54
Setiteyou crazy03:54
ograedmond: gets the wacom driver loaded ?03:54
Setitei dont need that much later...03:54
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Setiteyet i mean03:54
edmondogra: the wacom driver loads03:54
UHA-Ultrahexso , you will need it you just said didnt you ;)03:54
Setiteefh grso;fgfsdg03:55
edmondogra: Im building a new kernel with a patch from bugzilla now03:55
ograedmond: what if you load evdev amnually after the wacom driver ?03:55
Setitebut 400 gigs will be enough for now03:55
Setiteproblem is i dont know if there will be enough things to fill it on linux03:55
UHA-Ultrahexi only got 260...03:55
edmondogra: it just sits and is still stuck in the corner03:55
ograedmond: the site says its just the load order03:55
edmondogra: I know :(03:56
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ograedmond: even you wouldnt need to blacklist ....03:56
valentinais there some Modconf for Ubuntu? (like debian)03:56
edmondogra: pardon?03:56
valentinaI want to know if there's some usb driver03:56
ograedmond: the right order in /etc/modules should do it too03:56
Setiteogra - right order?03:57
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edmondogra: oh, shall try03:57
Setiteis there an order things must be in /etc/modules03:57
ograSetite: the prob is that evdev is loaded before wacom....03:57
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edmondUHA-Ultrahex: geeks - nerd implies socially retarded in some definitions :d03:57
Setiteuha - join the club... in a windows person.. this is all greek to me03:57
simeis there a php mysql module in ubuntu ?03:57
Setitehmmm... is the order what we messed up yesterday on carajeans pc?03:57
edmondsime: yes03:57
UHA-Ultrahex2 min03:58
ograSetite: nope, we didnt mess up anything...03:58
Setitewe meaning me and cara03:58
valentinaI plug my usb pendrive but it seems Ubuntu doesnt recognize it03:58
ograSetite: it was just a typo in the config file anywhere....03:58
edmondsime: sudo apt-get install mysql-server php4-mysql php403:58
valentinado I need to load some driver? if so, how do I?03:58
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Setitewell then he made that mistake03:58
Setitei think he was typing things in individually03:59
Setiteinstead of copying and pasting03:59
ogravalentina: is it in the device manager ?03:59
simeapt-cache search php4-mysql is empty03:59
ograSetite: if he was on another pc its hard to copy n paste03:59
Setitenot the first time around03:59
edmondsime: sorry my mistake. no need for it. I was just guessing from memory + apt-cache04:00
Setitefirst time around he was on ubuntu so he could have copied and pasted04:00
valentinaogra : let me see04:00
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Setitebut judging from how long it took him to respond each time he was off in his own world doing god knows what04:00
simeedmond, Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect()04:00
Setiteok livecd is almost done... gonna be restarting04:01
valentinaogra : I have connected it but device manager doesnt say anything about it04:01
Setiteis gaim on the ubuntu livecd?04:01
ograsime: libapache2-mod-php404:01
valentinait just says 'usb hub interface, controller, etc'04:01
Setiteshit... its not gonna have mp3 support is it04:01
edmondsime: bugger.. I havn't tested my conf. Lookup the faq in the chatroom title04:01
edmondsime: it has the details04:01
gwildorSetite, yeah04:01
Setitethere was no use burning the mp3 cd04:01
ograsime: ubuntu uses apache204:01
simeogra, php works04:01
Setiteok brb... gonna boot to the live cd04:02
ograsime: so install php4-mysql04:02
simeis doesn't exist04:02
ograsime: should be enough04:02
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ograsime: on my warty it does...04:03
edmondsime: it works here04:03
valentinaogra  any idea?04:03
ograsime: is ubiverse enabled ?04:03
ogravalentina: tried plugging out and in again ?`04:03
valentinaogra : I tried, nothing happens04:03
ograsime: sorry, universe i mean: see the second screenshot: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto04:04
ogravalentina: thats bad.... at least the device manager should show it04:04
valentinait should show what?04:05
valentinawhat should it say ?04:05
valentina"pendrive connected" or something like that ?04:05
ogravalentina: your usb stick04:05
valentinaI'm going to check if USB support is enabled on the bios configuration04:05
valentinaand come back04:05
ogravalentina: the dev manager has a tree in it... it sould appear there04:05
simeogra, im just starting to understand ubuntu's philosophy, i never checked out sources.list, so standard ubuntu only updates security threats04:07
ograsime: yep... but universe holds 14000 packages for your fun :)04:07
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Setitethis sucks04:08
Setiteim stuck in 640x48004:08
ograsime: there is also a mulitverse for legal suspicious software.....04:08
Setitei saw during the load that it saw the 1024,768 or something....04:09
Setitewhy cant i change it04:09
ograSetite: your display wasnt probably not detected correctly04:09
Setitethen why did i see the proper resolutions found during loading04:10
Setitethis isnt cool04:10
ograSetite: when do you see them ?04:11
Setitewhen it said something about my video card... and it said somethign abotu xfree86 vesa driver04:11
Setitethen i saw it list 3 resolutions04:11
ograSetite: vesa ?04:11
Setite1024x768 800x600 640x48004:11
Setiteyes it said vesa04:11
ograSetite: what kind of card is that ?04:12
Setiteevery linux ive ran used vesa something to start04:12
Setiteits some intel onboard crap04:12
ograSetite: ah, ok04:12
Setitebut on my 6800gt on my other pc a vesa driver loaded by default04:12
Setitefor the livecd im screwed arent i04:12
Setiteno way to fix this?04:12
ogratried ctrl-alt-(numpad +/-) ?04:12
Setitethis is a pain04:13
ograSetite: you are on the live cd ?04:14
Setitei decided to try it out04:14
Setiteive officially experienced my first hardware detection problems04:15
Setiteit wont mount my dvd drive either04:15
ograSetite: the next one will be better, i got no idea how to fix it, but i know the improvements that are made right now04:15
Setitesee this one has better things than the suse one04:16
Setitebut the suse worked04:16
EfaistOsis vim-gtk will be available again soon  ?04:17
Setitegrrr... i want to play tetris but i cant see the whole thing04:17
ograEfaistOs: i currently work with it04:17
ograEfaistOs: so it is there obviously04:17
ograEfaistOs: ah, sorry, its vim-gnome04:18
Setitei cant even see all of synaptic04:18
Setitei like the gui idea though04:18
Setiteusing YUM in the terminal was a bitch04:18
ograEfaistOs: but gtk is also there04:18
EfaistOsogra weird .... hoary ?04:19
Setiteogra... is there a chance it may work better on a restart?04:19
ograSetite: its much better at higher res04:19
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ograEfaistOs: nope, warty04:19
valentinaogra : it's enabled on the bios04:19
valentinaI've tried with 2 different usb pendrives04:19
EfaistOsogra ??04:19
valentinaand nothing happens04:19
ograEfaistOs: i use warty04:19
Setitei know this is killing me... 640x480 reminds me of windows 3.1104:19
valentinadoes Ubuntu support USB pendrives by default ?04:20
ogravalentina: not even in the dev manager ?04:20
Setiteooh yea... lemme plug in my usb stick mp3 player04:20
valentinanot even in the dev manager.. the dev manager only says "Usb 1.0 controller"04:20
ogravalentina: it mounts them by default, shows them on the desktop and opens a filemanager win04:20
valentinait's weird04:20
valentinais there some 'modconf' tool in Ubuntu ?04:21
Setiteok i plugged it in04:21
ogravalentina: works on all systems here04:21
valentinamaybe I need to load some modules04:21
Setiteand then it the cd got active04:21
Setitebut it did nothing04:21
ogravalentina: nope, no modconf04:21
Setiteholy shit04:21
Setiteit reads ntfs by default?!!!!04:22
ogravalentina: they should be already there... if you see your usb controller in the device manager04:22
ograSetite: sure04:22
valentinaogra : it sounds like it's a computer problem ?04:22
ograSetite: the live cd has a bug with hotplugging04:22
ogravalentina: did you change anything in the system ?04:22
Setiteoh ok04:23
Setiteyea it wont play any movies so far04:23
Setitebut they are probably divx04:23
EfaistOswhere do u choose the login splash ?04:23
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ograSetite: no codecs04:23
ArChoNKoGsup guys i just install ubuntu X can't start04:23
ograEfaistOs: the login screen or the splash after it ?04:23
Setitenone at all04:23
valentinaogra : no04:23
Setitecan it play anything?04:24
ograSetite: all free codecs....04:24
Setitewell at least it mounts04:24
EfaistOsogra the splash after04:24
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ogravalentina: do you see the message that hotplug starts while it boots ?04:24
Setitebtw i like xchat04:25
valentinavalentina@servidor:~ $ dmesg  | grep hot04:25
valentinacpci_hotplug: CompactPCI Hot Plug Core version: 0.204:25
valentinapci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.504:25
valentinaogra : is that the answer ?04:25
ArChoNKoGhow come when i install ubuntu it didn't ask me to make a root passwd04:25
ograEfaistOs: in gconf-editor go to /apps/gnome-session/options04:25
valentinathough ps aux | grep hot doesnt display anything04:25
ograArChoNKoG: root is disabled04:26
ograArChoNKoG: ubuntu uses sudo04:26
ArChoNKoGi see04:26
ograArChoNKoG: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo04:26
ogravalentina: nope, i mean if hotplud shows up on boot...04:27
ArChoNKoGogra: would you know why X won't startx ?04:27
valentinai dont really know04:27
valentinashould I check it out?04:27
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ogravalentina: either its a HW prob or hotplug doesnt get started proper i think....i cant imagine anything else atm (mybe because its 04:28 am here)04:28
valentinasorry if im taking your time off04:29
ograArChoNKoG: it didnt detect your X ?04:29
valentinathank you anyway04:29
ogravalentina: i'm not forced to answer ;)04:29
Cranenothing like a couple of games of quake3 to get the blood moving04:29
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valentinathank you04:29
Setitewhy doesnt synaptic work on the livecd04:29
valentinawell, I'm going to check it hotplug starts properly04:29
valentinathank you ogra , bye04:29
Setitei was hoping to try and get the mpg123 plugin installed04:29
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drspinwhat do you all suggest for firewall04:30
Cranemy hot plug just quit working today04:30
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CraneI haven't rebooted yet though04:30
drspin<<< computer has to be on for about 5 mins before his hotplug will work04:30
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ogradrspin: what for do you need a firewall?04:31
Cranedrspin does that include not in a suspend state04:31
Craneto keep out fire04:31
EfaistOswhy my video are all green ?? weird ..04:31
EfaistOsi mean i'm trying some videos i already watched but now they are all green ...04:32
drspinCrane: from a coldboot it takes about 5 mins before I have to reboot so my hotplug will work... just a reboot it still works ;)04:32
Cranecool thanks04:32
Craneis there a way to restart hotplug?04:32
drspinCrane: that was my next question ;)04:32
Cranejust wondering, don't really need to04:32
EfaistOsogra, an idea ?04:33
ogranope....did you install anything ?04:33
ogravideo wise?04:33
ArChoNKoGhow can i search for drivers04:33
ograArChoNKoG: drivers ?04:33
ArChoNKoGyea i need nvidia drivers for my 680004:34
edmondArChoNKoG: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx04:34
ograArChoNKoG: firdt see that you get configured your X that it works, the just install the ubuntu nvidia packages04:34
edmondArChoNKoG: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable04:34
EfaistOsjust  fglrx-driver but the 3D acceleration didnt work so i removed it04:34
crimsunis the 'restricted' repo enabled by default?04:35
ograArChoNKoG: you should really configure first04:35
EfaistOsogra and and vim-gnome that's all ;p04:35
drspin%sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart04:35
ograEfaistOs: so that makes me suspect its the fglrx-driver04:35
EfaistOsogra, but i removed it it's not loaded i checked04:36
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ogracrimsun: i think so04:36
crimsunogra: k04:36
Cloudchaserok ogra...i set my fstab file and from command line can copy files to the share...trying it now in the file browser but so far having no luck...writing down what happens as i do it04:36
crimsunArChoNKoG: dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`|grep ^ii04:37
ogracrimsun: main restricted is the default line i think04:37
crimsunah crap04:37
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ograArChoNKoG: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8604:37
Cranejust found somthing inseresting04:37
CraneI have two memory sticks04:38
Crane1 is standard memory stick the other a memory stick pro04:38
Cranewhen I plug in my 1st memory stick all goes well.04:39
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Cranethe second just doesn't work04:39
Craneusb reader04:39
drspindid you catch my hotplug restart command??04:39
Cranenope sorry04:39
CraneI see it04:40
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drspin"sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart"04:40
ograArCHoNKoG: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8604:40
ogradrspin: loads all your modules04:40
ArCHoNKoGout of all distro this is the only one that works for me sofar04:40
ArCHoNKoGthanks alot ogra04:40
ArCHoNKoGi swear man04:40
drspinogra: what?04:41
ogradrspin: for the usb devices restart dbus-104:41
ArCHoNKoGmy usb sound headphone work04:41
ArCHoNKoGthis is the shit04:41
ogradrspin: not hotplug04:41
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drspinogra: I restart the hotplug interface about 5 mins after I boot my system so it will work - can't do anything with the mouse or ANY USB device until then04:42
CraneArCH: how many have you tried?04:42
ogradrspin: its a module issue then04:42
Cranehmmm nope still not working with the memory stick pro04:43
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drspinogra: I had the same experience with a 2.4 kernal on my Suse and Gentoo installs04:43
ArCHoNKoGCrane, slackware gentoo debian crux arch04:43
ArCHoNKoGCrane,  went me to keep going ?04:43
ogradrspin: did it work _anywhere_ ?04:43
CraneThis distro is one of the best I have tried as well04:43
ograCrane: one of ?04:44
ArCHoNKoGalright is there a howto so i can keep ot up today04:44
Craneok ok it's the best04:44
crimsunArCHoNKoG: see the topic04:44
ograArCHoNKoG: a howto ?04:44
CraneI must be, I'm going to make it my main distro tomorrow04:44
drspinOgra: it will not work until long after the system is fully booted and I restart the hotplug interface04:44
ArCHoNKoGguys i need to give some respect to where ubuntu is based on04:44
ArCHoNKoGnot the best one of the best04:45
ogradrspin: did it work on other systems ?04:45
CraneI = It04:45
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regeyaanyone here ever tried to use epson's drivers on their system?  I've got the spr800 cups driver installed, and while it installs fine, and seems to detect the printer, nothing ever happens.  also, ekpstm tells me that ekpd isn't running, even when it is.04:45
Cloudchaseroh cool..files copied!04:45
toptnc           CPU004:45
toptnc  0:    4606371          XT-PIC  timer04:45
toptnc  1:        668          XT-PIC  i804204:45
toptnc  2:          0          XT-PIC  cascade04:45
toptnc  3:      17967          XT-PIC  orinoco_cs04:45
toptnc  7:          0          XT-PIC  parport004:45
toptnc  8:          1          XT-PIC  rtc04:45
ograCloudchaser: :)04:45
toptnc  9:       1975          XT-PIC  acpi04:45
toptnc 11:          2          XT-PIC  uhci_hcd, yenta, yenta04:45
toptnc 12:        111          XT-PIC  i804204:45
toptnc 14:      52551          XT-PIC  ide004:45
toptncNMI:          004:46
Cloudchaserslowly while copying to the share.. not so slowly copying to ubuntu04:46
toptncLOC:          004:46
ogratoptnc: please dont post here04:46
toptncERR:          004:46
toptncMIS:          004:46
toptncoh sorry04:46
ogratoptnc: please dont post here04:46
drspinogra - this system is the only place I've seen behavior like this -- no problems in Windows -- but had the same deal with both my SuSE and Gentoo installs on here.... both were running 2.4 kernels04:46
toptncthis would be for #flood04:46
toptncsorry all04:46
ogradrspin: looks like it is a linux kernel issue with your setup then04:47
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drspinogra: aye - so what do I do??04:47
ogradrspin: file a bug04:47
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crimsunhotplug? usb? 2.6? drspin?04:47
ogradrspin: let others deal that know about it ;)04:48
drspincrimsun -- LOL those are keywords of our conversation ;)04:48
drspinogra: where?04:48
ogradrspin: provide infos .... and have some patiency04:48
Cloudchasergoign to computer/network/share still has permissions issues though but i can live with that for the moment i i can copy files back and forth via the file manager04:48
crimsundrspin: I just read that 2.6.10 fixes quite a few hotplugging and usb issues04:48
Cloudchaserso the day wasn't a complete waste after all ;)04:48
ogradrspin: bugzilla.ubuntu.com04:48
crimsundrspin: so we shall both wait til the ubuntu kernel guys grace us with 2.6.1004:49
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drspincrimsun -- is 2.6.10 out yet?04:49
ograCloudchaser: your tero issue will get solved too :)04:49
crimsundrspin: yes, but I'm waiting til it's available in hoary04:49
Cloudchasernow, how do i get an icon on the desktop when i mount the shares? i thought that was automatic like the cdrom drive does04:49
drspinaye as will I04:49
drspinjust won't restart04:49
drspin!! :)04:49
Cloudchaseri hope so ogra! its so close!04:49
Cloudchaserthe hard part is system detection of the device i thought and thats all there04:50
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shianuxhi all04:50
Cloudchaserhi shianux04:50
ograCloudchaser: if the entry in fstab has the user or users option (to enable you to mount it as a user) then it is in the disks window04:50
ArCHoNKoGalright gusy i have a external driver that is via usb04:50
ArCHoNKoGi was never able in my life to get it to work on linux04:50
LifesizeKenDollhey, how do I find my ip address to the outside world? I'm behind a NAT04:50
Cloudchaserwell it is in the disks window indirectly..i have to go to filesystem/mnt/share04:50
ArCHoNKoGwoudl you guys give a bro a hand04:51
ograCloudchaser: no, i mean directly04:51
Cloudchaserin disks i have floppy1, cdrom, filesystem and network04:51
ograCloudchaser: its possible :)04:51
Cloudchaserif i go into network i see all the shares04:51
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ograCloudchaser: has your fstab entry a user option?04:51
LinuxSantaman i got addicted to monopoly on games.com04:51
Cloudchaserbut can't brows them04:51
LinuxSantai played like over 1104:52
Cloudchaseri used the .smbcredentials with the masks for all users read write execute04:52
LinuxSantahoary is f0cked with x.org04:52
LinuxSantait wont setup x04:52
LinuxSantawith array204:52
ograCloudchaser: ah, ok. but no user option in fstab ?04:52
Cloudchaserwell i got kind of confused there04:52
LinuxSantai was lookin forward to hoary04:52
LinuxSantaits not ready yet <Grin>04:53
LinuxSantamaybe array304:53
LinuxSantawill give it another try when array3 is out04:53
Cloudchasermy user can copy to and from via command line and via disks/filesystem/mnt/share04:53
shianuxcloudchaser: is it a problem when during updating of the system with synaptic, the terminal window indicates that something cannot be removed because the directory is not empty?04:53
ograCloudchaser: in fstab you have the options for the mount command.... if there is a entry: user then nautilus recognizes this and shows the disk in disks04:53
Cloudchasershianux, i haven't run across that yet but i'm still new yet04:53
ograshianux: nopa04:54
Cloudchaseroh ok ogra, i couldn't find a good example of the fstab entry that way..i've done it in the past like that and must not have written it down04:54
Cloudchaserhad to do guid and masks of some sort too04:54
shianuxor "unable to delete old file - 'somethingsomething': directory not empty"04:54
ograshianux: thats ok04:55
shianuxogra: thank you!04:55
ograshianux: imagine a package removes an icon from the icon dir04:55
shianuxcloudchaser: thank you too =)04:55
Cloudchaserhave you got a pointer to a sample fstab line?04:55
Cloudchaserhehe shianux i didn't do anything04:55
ograshianux: it shouldnt delete the whole dir then ;)04:55
ograCloudchaser: you talked to him :)04:56
ArCHoNKoGubuntu > all04:56
Cranewhat device does a USB card reader use04:56
ArCHoNKoGi just need to learn how to say the word now04:56
Cranethying to manually mount04:56
Cloudchaseroh ;) hey i know what its like to have no one talk to me when i'm new in a room ;)04:56
ArCHoNKoGCloudchaser, don't if you ask and i know i'll help04:56
Cloudchaserit uses something wierd but i can't remember what crane04:56
ograCrane: look in the device manager, in the advanced entry of the device04:56
ArCHoNKoGif i don't know am sorry04:56
ograCrane: the first entry should be the device there04:57
Cloudchaserhehe i don't usually know alot but i'm a talker04:57
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ograthinks actually04:58
ArCHoNKoGogra, what do i have to do so i can get access to my external usb hd04:58
Cloudchaseri have an external usb hub04:58
Cloudchaserand it just worked04:58
Cloudchaseri didn't have to do anything04:58
Cloudchaserjust plug in the devices and voila04:58
ograArCHoNKoG: it gets mounted on your desktop if you plug it in04:58
Cloudchaseri don't see anything on my desktop though04:59
ArCHoNKoGogra, nothing there04:59
Cranehmmm Device manager gives error04:59
Cloudchaserbut i don't have a reader hooked up04:59
ograCrane: kind of ?04:59
Cranecould not get device list, make sure hald is running04:59
Cloudchasermy camera is next though04:59
Cloudchaserthats a toughie04:59
ograCrane: ahh, there is your prob04:59
Cloudchasernever did get that wokring in linux04:59
ograCloudchaser: will work i think :)04:59
Cloudchaserbut i think i read it would work with 2.6 kernel05:00
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Cranewhat is hald?05:00
Cloudchaserit was still too new for 2.4 although its not a new camera..but thats for another day05:00
Craneand how do I start it05:00
ArCHoNKoGthat is wired i have nothing on my desktop also05:00
ArCHoNKoGwhy is that05:00
ograCloudchaser: if not with gthumb you could try some SW i wrote: http://www.grawert.net/software/pimp/05:00
Cloudchaserogra any links to fstab samples i cold try?05:00
ograCrane: sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart05:01
Cloudchaserits a sony camera..sony's are tricky i read05:01
ograCloudchaser: post the one you got currently05:01
ograCloudchaser: they say its not a trick. ...05:01
Cloudchasercool ogra i'll try that! i have to charge up the camera though05:01
Cloudchaser/chrisibm/chrisibmc /mnt/ChrisC smbfs credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,dmask=777,fmask=777 0 005:02
Crane*sr/sbin/hald already running.05:02
Cloudchaserwell another slash at the beginning05:02
Cloudchasercrane i got usbview05:02
ogra //chrisibm/chrisibmc /mnt/ChrisC smbfs credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,dmask=777,fmask=777,user 0 005:02
Cloudchaserits nice to see what usb devices are there and if they're detected properly05:02
Cloudchaseryes ogra05:03
ograCloudchaser: regard the difference ;)05:03
Cloudchaseri can do that ;)05:03
ograCrane: wont help you with the hal issue05:03
ograCloudchaser: not sure if it works with smbfs mounts this way, but its worth a try05:04
Craneoh well now when I select hardware manager it sjust shuts off05:04
Cranedevice manager05:04
Cloudchaserok i'll give it a try now05:04
ograCrane: device manager == hald05:04
ograCrane: hald sits on top of dbus05:04
ograCrane: thos trio plus the kernel make the usb hotplugging05:05
Cloudchaseryou are my hero ogra!05:05
Craneogra: so do I need to restart hald?05:06
ograCrane: dbus starts hald05:06
Cloudchasernow hopefully when i start up the machine, the smb services start before the fstab is read ;)05:06
ograCrane: so you need to restart dbus-105:06
ograCloudchaser: no need for it :)05:06
Cloudchaserthats why a nice services gui is handy for when you need to change the order of things05:06
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Cloudchaserwell how bout my wireless services then?05:07
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Cloudchaserif they start after the fstab is read?05:07
Crane *sr/sbin/hald already running. [fail] 05:07
Cranerun-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/hal exited with return code 105:07
ograCloudchaser: they sohould be before :)05:07
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Cloudchaserok cool.. ;)05:07
ograCrane: looks bad.....05:07
ograCrane: the hald process seems stuck....05:08
Cloudchaserwhat kind of card reader?05:09
ArCHoNKoGcan you  get winex ?05:09
ograCrane: make sure you get it killed properly, then restart dbus05:09
Cranehmmm restart computer maybe05:09
ograArCHoNKoG: sure, you can buy it05:09
Cloudchaserput the card in after though..i sometimes had trouble starting pc with the card in but that wasn't in ubuntu05:09
Cloudchaseri should get my card reader out and try it05:10
crimsunArCHoNKoG: you can check out the cvs version and build it manually, but it lacks features that are in the binary-only version (copy protection support, etc.)05:10
ArCHoNKoGhow can i get my external usb hd to work05:10
Cloudchasernot today though05:10
Cloudchaserwinex=cedega now05:11
ogracrimsun: "...but it lacks features  ... (copy protection support)" ??? thats a feature ?05:11
Cloudchaserits on my list to buy05:11
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Cloudchaserand a small paycheck ;)05:11
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shianuxhi all again05:12
shianuxcloudchaser: =)05:12
shianuxI'm encountering another message which I don't know if its bad or not05:12
shianuxsynaptic was trying to install a package, I can't remember which05:13
crimsunogra: the safedisc support, etc.05:13
ogracrimsun: ah, ok....05:13
Cranewhat is the command to force an app  or process to quit05:13
shianuxoh yes, I remember now05:14
crimsunCrane: kill05:14
ograCrane: killall -9 hald05:14
Cranekill doesn't work05:14
shianuxsynaptic was trying to install xserver-xorg05:14
Craneahhh -9 thats it05:14
ograCrane: kill works with the proc number.... killall with the name05:14
ograCrane: but if hald is stuck on a HW event even -9 wont work05:15
shianuxwhen it said "dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native)"05:15
ograshianux: sounds like hoary05:16
Craneogra: yep it's stuck on something05:16
shianuxhaha yeah, I just upgraded to hoary05:16
CraneI can't stop it05:16
shianuxogra: so what's actually happening there?05:16
ograshianux: there are issues currently05:16
LinuxSantashianux:  Hoary breaks05:16
ograshianux: dunno, sorry05:16
Cranecrane looks at computer.... hal stop it05:16
shianuxogra: so there isn't anything I can do to fix it?05:17
LinuxSantaogra i agree, it has issues with array2 for gnome / x05:17
ograshianux: waiting ...05:17
shianuxLinuxSanta: hmm, is the breakage critical?05:17
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LinuxSantaogra:  It fixes the partioning problem tho with libparted05:17
LinuxSantashainux:  For me i cant use gnome desktop05:17
LinuxSantaor it will not boot into X05:17
LinuxSantadepending if i do upgrade or use array205:17
shianuxLinuxSanta: wow, that sounds bad05:17
LinuxSantaeither one doesnt work right05:17
bob2shianux: did you install ubuntu from scratch?05:17
LinuxSantashainux:  Array3 will hopefully fix it05:18
LinuxSantaarray 2 is bugged :(05:18
Cloudchaserwhat is Array2 and Array3?05:18
LinuxSantatest release of snapshots05:18
LinuxSantaits more stable than the daily snapshots05:18
LinuxSantaits still not working stable enough yet for me05:19
LinuxSantaall linux distros have the partitioning problem now05:19
LinuxSantasince it was a libparted bug05:19
LinuxSantaso all of em will break for me on install05:19
LinuxSantanext batch should be golden05:19
LinuxSantaie hoary, next release of suse, redhat, blah blah05:19
shianuxbob2: is there a way to do that? I installed it off the warty CD05:20
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LinuxSantait was critical bug for me to make me go back to windows <grin>05:20
LinuxSantafor the time being05:20
kebacall linux is hoary05:20
kebacuse BSD05:20
bob2shianux: just checking05:20
LinuxSantahoary rules05:20
ograkebac: bah05:20
LinuxSantaubuntu-offtopic for bsd05:20
LinuxSantathanks :)05:20
kebacjust advice05:20
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ografast santa....stops before the start05:21
LinuxSantakebac:  BSD is good but its not as supported and doesnt have the frills like linux does05:21
ArCHoNKoG:( not working05:21
LinuxSantalinux has more program compatibility05:21
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LinuxSantakebec:  ubuntu-offtopic if u want to continue05:21
shianuxLinuxSanta: how do you get array 3?05:21
LinuxSantai wish i knew05:21
LinuxSantaits not out yet :)05:21
ArCHoNKoGLinuxSanta,  where you from ?05:21
LinuxSantaarray 2 u mean05:22
LinuxSantaNY USA05:22
ArCHoNKoGBRONX NY here05:22
LinuxSantawhere at in the bronx?05:22
kebacBSD supports linux binaries05:22
LinuxSantaghetto ?05:22
LinuxSantaor good area?05:22
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kebac= all program compatibility05:22
LinuxSantaarchonkog:  poor guy05:23
LinuxSantamove to upper east side05:23
lemsx1nah, the bronx rocks05:23
ArCHoNKoGLinuxSanta, na am good i like a hard working day05:23
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LinuxSantaarchonkog:  LOL05:23
LinuxSantaur choice05:23
LinuxSantai like the good life05:23
ArCHoNKoGLinuxSanta, same here it always been05:23
LinuxSantai live on park ave05:23
ultrahexi just installed Ubuntu (as some might know) ... and how do u change resolution beyond 1024...05:23
ArCHoNKoGLinuxSanta, cool05:24
LinuxSantanot yet05:24
LinuxSantaarchonkog:  Im still a bit short05:24
ogranight all05:24
LinuxSantaarchonkog:  Im in queens actually05:24
ArCHoNKoGLinuxSanta, i have a wish santa i need help05:24
bob2ultrahex: what res did it pick?05:24
ArCHoNKoGLinuxSanta, where in queens i will be there for new years05:24
LinuxSantashianux:  http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/hoary/array-2/05:24
LinuxSantaif you download the updates, x wont load up05:25
LinuxSantaif you dont, then gnome doesnt work05:25
kebacfreebsd picked 2048x1536@ 85 hz on the first run :=)05:25
ultrahexit auto chose the max at 1024x768 but my screen and stuff supports 1600x1200 +05:25
LinuxSantait will load into gnome but then mess up there05:25
shianuxLinuxSanta: haha thanks05:25
LinuxSantait needs more work05:25
Cloudchaserok ogra next big question..how to make it so i can unmount a volume by right clicking on the desktop icon ..right now it says only root can05:25
ultrahexbob2: any ideas?05:25
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bob2ultrahex: please file a bug on xserver-xorg, including the output of 'lspci', 'lspci -n', 'dmesg' and 'lsmod'.05:26
LathiatCloudchaser: it depends how you mount it, if you mount a removeable device the proper way, you can unmount it on the desktop05:26
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ArCHoNKoGhow come can't see nothing on desktop ?05:26
Cloudchaseri messed up my fstab05:26
Cloudchaserand um05:26
bob2ArCHoNKoG: there's nothing on the desktop by default05:26
ArCHoNKoGi see05:26
ultrahexbob2: UGH05:27
Cloudchaserwell i copied and pasted and entry twice to set up 2 more shares on same volume05:27
Cloudchaserand um05:27
Cloudchaseri forgot to change the mount point05:27
LathiatArCHoNKoG: the computer icons etc are usually used via the Computer menu up top05:27
Cloudchaseri have 3 now for same mount point05:27
kebacnaru jtk sill on05:27
LathiatArCHoNKoG: and the trash by the trash applet in the bbottom right05:27
Cloudchaseri guess i'll have to restart05:27
ArCHoNKoGi want my songs and my songs are in a external drive05:27
ArCHoNKoGhow do i get that to work05:27
Cloudchaserand fix my fstab first05:27
bob2ArCHoNKoG: plug it in and it should mount it automatically05:27
bob2ultrahex: ugh?05:27
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ultrahexyes as in thats great fun05:27
ArCHoNKoGbob2, how would i know it worked ?05:28
Cloudchaserbrb hopw this works!05:28
bob2ultrahex: yeah, it sucks, but it works for nearly everyone...05:28
Scorphey does the PPC version have all the bells and whistles that say YDL has? (support for brightness and volume keys, hardware detection, etc etc..) keep in mind I'm asking about PowerPC version05:28
bob2ArCHoNKoG: it should popup a window05:28
bob2Scorp: of course05:29
ultrahexbob2: is this a website or a channel i got in a file now05:29
ArCHoNKoGok it didn't work05:29
bob2ultrahex: bugzilla.ubuntu.com05:29
Scorpbob2 is the install easy?05:29
bob2ArCHoNKoG: is it a ntfs or hfs drive?05:29
bob2Scorp: it's identical to the i386 ubuntu install05:29
bob2ie like 10 questions, none of which are about hardware05:29
bob2ArCHoNKoG: known bug, unfortunately05:30
Scorpbob2 lol I wouldn't know what that's like, but I'll risk it, thanks; does it boot on its own, is there docs for it?05:30
bob2Scorp: the cd boots05:31
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LinuxSantaubuntu still needs work05:32
shianuxhi all05:32
shianuxback again05:32
Scorpok I'm reading the docs then and downloading it :)05:32
Cloudchaserwell fooey.. no drive icons after restarting05:32
shianuxmanage to load up into hoary05:32
shianuxwith only 1 problem left05:32
LinuxSantashianux:  X?05:33
shianuxLinuxSanta: yeah, but its not a big problem05:33
LinuxSantashainux:  Did it configure x for u?05:33
Cloudchaserok ogra none of my drives mounted after restarting05:33
LinuxSantadid u upgrade to ubuntu05:33
shianuxI'm stuck with only 640x480 screen resolution05:33
LinuxSantahoary i mean05:33
LinuxSantashainux:  at least u got x to work with hoary05:33
Cloudchaserso only root can mount them it appears05:33
LinuxSantaif i upgrade to hoary from warty my x wont work05:33
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shianuxwhen I go to system settings, I only have 640x480 as a choice05:34
bob2shianux: let me guess, hoary, non-free nvidia modules?05:34
LinuxSantabob2:  those actually increase the refresh rate05:34
shianuxbob2: actually I did that yesterday when I installed the nvidia modules05:34
LinuxSantabut not by much05:34
ArCHoNKoGi need a torrent05:34
ArCHoNKoGsame as debian ?05:34
bob2LinuxSanta: huh?05:34
shianuxbob2: but since that hosed my hoary install05:34
shianuxbob2: I didn't install them this time round05:34
LinuxSantabob2:  like 75mhz, etc...05:34
Cloudchaserso the fstab needs something to let it work while booting as user?05:34
shianuxbob2: and I still have the same problem05:35
LinuxSantabob2:  75,85, 120. etc....05:35
Cloudchasermount -a only works with sudo05:35
LinuxSantabob2:  or is it hz05:35
LinuxSantai ferget05:35
bob2LinuxSanta: I don't know what you're refering to05:35
Scorpbob2 will it install and configure yaboot for me?05:35
LinuxSantabob2:  With linux the refresh rates are kept down lower than windows05:35
LinuxSantawhich sux05:35
bob2LinuxSanta: are you saying the binary drivers give higher refresh rates?05:35
bob2Scorp: yes05:35
LinuxSantabob2:  The non free glx yes05:35
bob2LinuxSanta: er, are you really sure of that?05:35
LinuxSantabob2 for me it does05:35
ultrahexbob2: can i just modify my X config file for mean time , and could anyone walk me through?05:35
bob2Cloudchaser: what are you trying to do?05:35
LinuxSantabob2:  I installed glx and it worked at the next up refresh rate05:35
Cloudchasermount shares when i boot pc05:36
bob2ultrahex: sure, and maybe, but you'd be better off asking on the list05:36
shianuxbob2: so now I'd like to find out how to get my original screen res back05:36
LinuxSantaits still not on par with what it should be tho05:36
bob2LinuxSanta: that is a bug then, please report it05:36
Cloudchaseri edited fstab and sudo mount -a does the trick05:36
LinuxSantalinux nvidia drivers are more of an afterthought05:36
Cloudchaserbut they didn't mount when i rebooted05:36
LinuxSantabob2 u work for ubuntu?05:36
plasmoshinanux: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add in your resolution05:36
LinuxSantabob2:  Its not a bug........05:36
bob2LinuxSanta: no, I work for canonical, but not ubuntu05:36
LinuxSantabob2:  The nvidia driver which is the better driver gives u the better rate05:37
bob2Cloudchaser: add the 'auto' option to the options field for each one you want mounted on boot05:37
LinuxSantawhy would it be a bug?05:37
bob2LinuxSanta: no, it's a bug05:37
shianuxplasmo: but I already have the settings in xorg.conf05:37
shianuxthat's the funny part05:37
bob2LinuxSanta: how is it not a bug? the Free driver is missing a piece of functionailty that the non-free one has05:37
Cloudchaser/chrisibm/chrisibmc /mnt/ChrisC smbfs credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,dmask=777,fmask=777,user 0 005:37
LinuxSantabob2:  And the nvidia driver is CLOSED SOURCE05:37
Cloudchaserwhere do i put that?05:37
bob2LinuxSanta: er, so?05:37
plasmoincluding the resolutions? "1024x768" "800x600" ?05:37
Cloudchaserbefore credentials?05:37
Cloudchaseror before user?05:38
LinuxSantabob2:  how are u gonna get them to open the code for you to add that functionality in the regular driver?05:38
bob2Cloudchaser: in the options column, as I said,  your fstab has a header line that tells you which that is05:38
LinuxSantaits functionality that nvidia specifically added, they can do that05:38
bob2LinuxSanta: are you an X hacker?05:38
LinuxSantaif an x hacker can figure it out fine05:38
LinuxSantabut its not really a bug05:38
LinuxSantaits a feature that was added05:38
bob2then how do you know that fixing it would require the source to the nvidia binsary driver?05:38
bob2or are you guessing?05:38
Cloudchaserok i'll try that..then will it mount them as a user?05:39
ScorpPHB :)05:39
LinuxSantabob2:  it stands to reason05:39
Cloudchasercause right now they're mounted as root so i can't unmount them via right click/unmount volume05:39
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bob2Cloudchaser: 'as a user'? no.05:39
LinuxSantabob2:  if im a linux user and i want the better rate all i do is install the driver and presto05:39
Cloudchasercan i do that?05:39
LinuxSantaits the better driver anyways05:39
LinuxSantait doesnt cost me a cent05:39
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bob2it's not the better driver05:39
bob2it's a05:39
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bob2different driver, with a number of disadvantages05:40
Cloudchaserok so can i change the right click umount to be root?05:40
bob2and some advantages05:40
LinuxSantabob2:  Such as?05:40
bob2Cloudchaser: no05:40
bob2LinuxSanta: such as if your machine crashes, kernel developers will laugh at you05:40
LinuxSantabob2:  as i said, its closed source05:40
bob2anyway, this is way off-topic05:40
shianuxplasmo: the real problem is after I run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", I get this message05:40
LinuxSantabob2:  It would be nice if they opened it but thats another story05:40
bob2if you don't care, don't file a bug05:40
LinuxSantabob2 but for me its not a bug i add the glx and im happy05:41
bob2I think it would be useful to have someone who knows far more about X than either of us to have a look at it05:41
bob2ok, thanks05:41
CloudchaserNormally, only the superuser can mount  file  systems.   However,05:41
Cloudchaser       when  fstab  contains the user option on a line, then anybody can mount05:41
Cloudchaser       the corresponding system.05:41
Cloudchasershould work as user05:41
bob2Cloudchaser: no05:41
bob2Cloudchaser: not if you combine it with auto05:41
LinuxSantabob2:  I reported it actually along time ago and ubuntu told me it wasnt a bug05:41
LinuxSantabob2:  So they disagree with you05:41
bob2LinuxSanta: and which bug # is it?05:41
Cloudchaserwell i have it as user now and user can't mount it05:41
shianux"dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation)"05:41
LinuxSantabob2:  Hold on05:41
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bob2shianux: yes, you pasted it before.  it's a bug that was in Debian a long time ago, please ask on the mailing list.05:42
bob2Cloudchaser: because root already did?05:42
shianuxbob2: ok, thanks05:42
Cloudchaseryes root did because mount -a didn't work without sudo05:42
bob2yes, I know05:42
ArCHoNKoGguys how can i get a list on ports for ubuntu05:43
bob2ArCHoNKoG: 'ports'?05:43
ArCHoNKoGa list of packages i can get useing apt-get05:43
bob2shianux: do you have build-essential installed?05:43
LinuxSantabob2 its no longer there05:43
bob2LinuxSanta: bugs are not removed from bugzilla05:44
LinuxSantai reported it awhile back its not in the bug list anymore05:44
bob2ArCHoNKoG: there's 12 000 of them05:44
bob2LinuxSanta: what's your email address?05:44
Cloudchaserok i'll try auto and users instead of user and see what happens ;)05:44
ArCHoNKoGhow can i search for a packages05:44
LinuxSantabob2:  So then how do i find bugs not in mybugs?05:44
ArCHoNKoGis there a page05:44
ArCHoNKoGor something05:44
bob2ArCHoNKoG: there isn't, sorry05:44
plasmoArCHoNGKoG: synaptic05:44
neuro_ArCHoNKoG: try synaptic05:44
neuro_plasmo: snap05:44
plasmoor apt-cache search05:44
bob2ArCHoNKoG: do you know about "apt-cache" and synaptic?05:44
LinuxSantabob2:  let me pm u05:44
bob2Cloudchaser: that won't do what you want, either05:45
neuro_it's Redundancy Night here in #ubuntu :>05:45
plasmowats snap lol05:45
Cloudchaserwhy not?05:45
neuro_the card game snap?05:45
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bob2Cloudchaser: because auto says 'mount at boot', which will be as root05:45
Cloudchaserwell fooey05:45
Cloudchaserok then05:46
ferriscan any of you tell me how to update my menus (I am using xfce desktop)05:46
Cloudchaseri don't have auto now05:46
LinuxSantathe bug is no longer in my bugs05:46
Cloudchaserbut user can't mount it with mount -a05:46
LinuxSantahow do u retrieve bugs no longer in the my bugs section?05:46
shianuxbob2: I'm not sure, how do I find out?05:46
Cloudchaserthis is so confusing05:47
ArCHoNKoGdones't make sence05:47
bob2shianux: it's a package, install it if you want to build anything at all05:47
bob2ArCHoNKoG: what doesn't?05:47
ArCHoNKoGits not letting me get the plug in for mozilla05:47
bob2Cloudchaser: which bit?05:47
ArCHoNKoGam not trying to flood but this is what i get05:47
Cloudchaserok the "user" or "users" option in fstab says any user can mount05:47
bob2LinuxSanta: I'm 99% certain nothing has ever been removed05:47
Cloudchaseror all users can mount05:47
ArCHoNKoGarchon@archon:~ $ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla05:47
ArCHoNKoGReading Package Lists... Done05:47
ArCHoNKoGBuilding Dependency Tree... Done05:47
ArCHoNKoGenabl: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla05:47
Cloudchaserbut i have user in there now and i can't mount or unmount05:47
LinuxSantabob2:  its not in my bugs05:47
bob2ArCHoNKoG: yes, that's because apt doesn't know about the package05:47
LinuxSantabob2:  So then how can one retrieve them?05:48
plasmotype apt-get update first05:48
bob2LinuxSanta: then search for it yourself if you won't let me know what your address is05:48
bob2plasmo: no05:48
LinuxSantabob2 i gave u my address05:48
bob2ArCHoNKoG: enable multiverse in your apt config05:48
LinuxSantain msg05:48
LinuxSantai will not give it in channel05:48
ferrisAeCHKog: What are you trying to do?05:48
Cloudchaserso if i have to choose between one, i'd rather boot up and do mount -a as user and mount them all as user05:48
plasmoah yeah05:48
ArCHoNKoGyou mean How to add extra repositories05:48
Cloudchaserheya plasmo!05:48
bob2LinuxSanta: you haven't /msg'd me successfully05:48
plasmohey :D05:48
ArCHoNKoGferris, atlest type name right05:48
bob2ArCHoNKoG: if you're followingthat ubuntu guide thing, reread the section about flash more carefully05:49
LinuxSantabob2 yes i did05:49
LinuxSantaill remsg it to bob205:49
LinuxSantaif u didnt get it05:49
bob2LinuxSanta: no, you haven't.  I would guess because your nick is not registered and I'm blocking you.05:49
bob2the irc server will have told you that if it's the case05:49
LinuxSantayeah i saw that now05:49
LinuxSantabob2 is blocking messages from unidentified users.  You must register and identify with NickServ before talking to this user.05:49
LinuxSantasmart :P05:50
LinuxSantaits easier for me to just find the bug05:50
LinuxSantabut its gone05:50
LinuxSantait would be under refresh rate05:50
LinuxSantabut the bug isnt mine05:50
bob2oh, of course05:50
ferrisArCHoNKoG: I do apologize... not used to this laptop.05:50
drspinok so earlier we talked about a firewall for linux... I need a firewall because I'm a control freak...05:51
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bob2NeoXed: please don't05:51
LinuxSantabob2:  Its prolly still there if i knew the specific bug #05:51
bob2drspin: you have nothing to block05:51
ArCHoNKoGferris, its all good in the hood05:51
LinuxSantabut its not in the search listing anymore or my bugs05:51
LinuxSantabob2:  I think your right in that bugs arent deleted05:51
drspinbob2: maybe not...05:51
LinuxSantabut they dont appear in the search or my bugs section after a period of time or something05:51
drspinbob2: but I'm a control freak05:52
bob2drspin: but what do you want to control?05:52
bob2drspin: by default there's nothing on your system listening to anything05:52
drspinbob2: I want to block a few ports that bitTorrent uses05:53
LinuxSantacant find it05:53
drspinbob2: besides firewall configuration could come in handy later in life05:53
LinuxSantaits late anyways <grin>05:54
drspinbob2: so, any suggestions?05:54
bob2I quite like shorewall.05:55
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drspinbob2: I'll check it out05:56
drspinbob2: what is your opinion of iptables?05:56
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bob2er, all firewalls on linux use iptables05:56
bob2it's the kernel firewalling system05:57
bob2everything else is just a layer on top of it to make it simpler to use05:57
drspinbob2: ok -- so if I learn iptables inside and out, I would be able to configure a linux firewall05:59
bob2for 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, yeah05:59
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bob2ipchains isn't very different06:00
bob22.0's was06:00
drspinheh you've beena linux user for a while huh?06:00
bob2only since 200006:01
drspinI just switched again06:02
drspinso far I like ubuntu alot06:02
drspineasier to get things workin than Gentoo or my old suse and rehat installs06:03
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ferrisare there any xfce experts here?06:06
ferrisI need help with enabling/ updating my menus06:07
bob2might want to try #xfce, assuming the answer someone else gave you didn't help06:07
ferrisbob2: I tried them but no one knew anything06:08
bob2or their mailing list, perhaps06:08
ferrisbob2: I also tried the #debian room as well06:09
ferristhey could not help06:09
ferrisbob2: funny thing is it is an easy command... something like update -u menu06:10
ferrisjust not sure06:10
bob2yes, I know06:10
ferrisare you in the #debian room too?06:10
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Cloudchaserogra you still here??06:22
Cloudchaseroh holy toledo i got it!06:24
Cloudchasersyncd my palm06:24
Cloudchaserits so tricky06:24
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ArCHoNKoGi wanna know what do i have to do so i can listen to mp3 songs06:28
zenroxArCHoNKoG, install xmms06:29
ArCHoNKoGnot working06:29
ArCHoNKoGi just installed it06:29
zenroxwhy not06:29
ArCHoNKoGthats the reason am here06:29
niranapt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad06:29
nirani think06:29
niranthat should do it for rhythmbox06:30
zenroxniran, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8.mad06:30
ArCHoNKoGReading Package Lists... Done06:30
ArCHoNKoGBuilding Dependency Tree... Done06:30
ArCHoNKoGenabl: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad06:30
nirango to synaptic and add the universe repositories06:30
zenroxWarty Guide: http://ubuntuguide.org <<--try that ArCHoNKoG06:30
zenroxArCHoNKoG,  that holds all the keys06:30
ArCHoNKoGi can't get that packages06:33
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zenroxread add more respotartys06:34
zenroxto your ubuntu06:35
crimsunArCHoNKoG: < niran> go to synaptic and add the universe repositories06:35
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shianuxhi all06:37
shianuxstill stuck in 640x48006:37
ArCHoNKoGthat is so fucking hot06:38
ArCHoNKoGthaanks crimsun06:38
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=== Cloudchaser dances
Cloudchaseri got 2 things accomplished today!06:39
Cloudchaseronly took most of the day too!06:40
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skobroslhello anyone here know any good mp3 players for gnome?06:41
Agrajagrhythmbox and muine06:41
Agrajagno, muine06:42
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skobroslapt-get dosent seem to have it06:42
crimsunit's in hoary/universe06:42
skobrosli have warthy06:43
crimsunyou'll probably need to stick w/ rhythmbox then06:43
crimsunI'm ironing out gtk# 1.9.1 issues so I can build a deb of muine-0.7.0 in a chroot.06:44
nirani compiled it, but i don't know how to build debs06:44
zenroxcrimsun,  trying to back port it??06:44
crimsunzenrox: no06:44
plasmoniran: use checkinstall for making .deb06:45
nirancrimsun, do you want me to tell you all the crap i had to download to get it to compile?06:45
crimsunI'm building against current sid; when it finishes I'll use a new chroot to build for hoary06:45
skobroslhas anyone here built mono from source?06:45
niranoh ok06:46
crimsunniran: I've already built it06:46
crimsunniran: I'm just ironing out the gtk# 1->2 transition06:46
nirani see06:46
crimsunthen I need to coordinate w/ #debian-mono to make sure the path is smooth06:46
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skobroslcrimsun: is it difficult?06:47
shianuxanyone knows how to fix res in x.org?06:47
shianuxI lost my 1400x1050 when I upgraded from xfree to xorg06:47
shianuxthe only choice I'm given is 640x480 now06:48
crimsunskobrosl: not at all, but I've been building debs for quite some time.06:48
skobroslcrimsun which debs are they the devel version of mono?06:48
crimsunskobrosl: no, I'm using a sid chroot right now, so the version is 1.0.406:48
Cloudchaserok nother stupid question. I want to reply to a message on the ubuntu-users mail list and have it be in same thread06:49
Cloudchaserif i hit the reply to it will go to the list but how do i reply to make it go in the right thread?06:49
skobrosloh i am a developer i switched from mandrake 10.106:49
skobrosli was using mono v1.1.306:50
crimsunafaik mono 1.1 won't be packaged yet06:50
crimsunCloudchaser: what are you using to reply?06:50
skobrosli noticed that ubuntu is alot faster then mandrake06:51
newbiewanCloudchaser, won't you just use the same subject as the thread's?06:51
crimsunCloudchaser: when you reply, the correct thread id is used transparently.06:51
Cloudchaserah ok06:52
Cloudchaserso just hit the reply to on that message in the digest/06:52
crimsunoh, you're using digest mode?06:52
crimsunmake sure you copy the subject line precisely then06:52
Cloudchaseryes and there's no reply to cept in the main header06:52
niranshianux: you still there?06:52
CloudchaserSubject: Re: Syncing Treo 90 with JPilot on Ubuntu06:53
skobroslis building from source dificult?06:53
Cloudchaserthe whole thing or just whats after the Re:?06:53
crimsunskobrosl: nope, but upstream has some odd habits that #debian-mono group does not agree with.06:53
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skobrosldont quite understand06:54
crimsunskobrosl: hence it is sometimes a PITA to fix upstream06:54
newbiewanCloud, if you make the subject with or without the re, the search processes can put it together on most lists.06:56
Cloudchaserok thanks so much ;)06:56
Scorpwait for ubuntu for ppc should I make the partions myself or let the installer do it, will it create a bootstrap for me?06:59
shianuxniran: yes, I'm still here06:59
shianuxcan't seem to get out of 640x480 ever since I upgraded to xorg in hoary06:59
niranshianux: ok, i still use xfree86, but i think this should still work06:59
niranshianux: run "gksudo gedit"07:00
niranshianux: and open xorg.conf07:00
niranit should be in /etc/xorg07:00
niranor something like that07:00
shianuxgot it07:01
niranok, search for "subsection "display""07:01
niranwithout the outer quotes07:01
shianuxok found it07:02
niranis it in section "screen"?07:02
shianuxyes it is07:03
niranok, what does it say next to modes?07:03
shianuxonly 1 option, "1400 x 1050"07:03
niranand that's the one you want, but it's not working07:03
shianuxI know07:03
shianuxtat's why I'm so puzzled07:04
shianuxI wonder is there any where else apart from xorg.conf which stores resolution settings07:04
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nirani don't think so07:05
nirantry adding a few other common resolutions07:05
victoryou probably get this a LOT but is the next release of ubuntu going to have Xorg?07:05
victorby the way, GREAT distro!07:05
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Scorpwait for ubuntu for ppc should I make the partions myself or let the installer do it, will it create a bootstrap for me?07:05
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niranvictor: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals07:06
niranit says it's done07:06
niranso i'm assuming yes07:06
ArCHoNKoG:( can't play my mp3's07:07
shianuxniran: or could it be a problem with gdm? maybe gnome doesn't see the settings in X?07:07
shianuxniran: I know that sounds dumb, but ahha, I'm out of ideas so I'm just guessing07:07
niranshianux: i don't think so07:08
niranwhat video card are you using?07:08
decklinArCHoNKoG, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats07:09
victorthanks, niran07:09
niranvictor: no problem07:09
shianuxniran: I'm on a laptop, dell inspiron 8000 and I've got the Geforce2Go, but I didn't install the nvidia drivers cuz I heard about all the problems07:09
shianuxniran: the really strange thing is that the screen res is correct in XFree but not in Xorg07:10
niranshianux: that's weird. i'm out of ideas07:12
niranthis is the point when i'd cry and roll back to xfree07:12
Scorpanyone, does the automated partitioning create a bootstrap partion on PPC installations?07:13
shianuxhow do I roll back to xfree in hoary?07:13
ScorpI need a response so I can restart the installation07:14
shianuxniran: is it possible to keep all the upgrades in hoary and only roll back the xserver?07:14
ArCHoNKoGdecklin, it worked thanks07:14
niranshianux: hmm... it might be dirty, but try it07:15
niranshianux: i'm running a mix of hoary and warty right now anyway, i just upgrade packages that look interesting07:16
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niranshainux: muine, liferea, etc, but nothing intergral to the system unless something depends on them07:16
newbiewanWhat is the most current version of Firefox in Warty?07:17
shianuxniran: I'm thinking that maybe xfree-common might help avoid possible breakages?07:17
Scorp...how the hell did you guys manage to pack all this stuff into 1 cd?07:17
newbiewanThanks, so does Hoary have 1.0 or later?07:18
crimsunnewbiewan: yes.07:18
GotD0tnewbiewan: yes, but you'll prefer .9.307:18
newbiewanI've played with 1.0 in pclinuxos livecd and I think it is pretty cool, RSS and all.07:19
niranshianux: i don't really know. rolling back has always been a pain for me, cause it's hard to do it all at once in synaptic without it removing stuff that depends on the package in question07:19
victoris there a newer firefox in any of the apt-get repositories?07:19
crimsunvictor: for warty? http://ubuntu-bp.sf.net/07:19
nirannewbiewan: i'm using 1.0 right now on top of warty, but it's a little buggy07:19
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Cloudchaseri'm trying to compile my first app in ubuntu and did ./configure but got this msg:07:20
Cloudchaserchecking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables07:20
CloudchaserSee `config.log' for more details.07:20
plasmoapt-get install build-essential07:20
newbiewanI don't know what bugs you refer to, niran, I wonder if they are taken care of in 1.1.07:20
Cloudchaseri don't know what that means07:20
Cloudchaserok i thought maybe i needed more files to be able to compile things07:21
Scorpwait ubuntu doesn't come with a compiler ?!07:21
Scorpwhere does the name come from anyway?07:21
victorcrimsun, will that repository be included in the next release?07:21
plasmonot installed by default i think07:21
crimsunScorp: `sudo apt-get install build-essential'07:21
nirannewbiewan: after leaving firefox open for a while, trying to click a link an external program opens the profile manager07:21
crimsunvictor: no07:21
Scorpwait wait wait I still need to get it installed to begin with lol07:21
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ArCHoNKoGwould you know why sounds works in xmms but when i lauch a dvd no sound ?07:21
ScorpI'll worry about a compiler a bit later07:21
victorcrimsun, i see07:22
crimsunArCHoNKoG: are both programs set to use esd?07:22
AstinusHrmmm, can I just query why Ubuntu is still using an archaic version of Webmin?07:22
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crimsunAstinus: "archaic?"07:22
Cloudchaserfoo missing a library now07:22
newbiewanniran, hmmm, seems like something one would not want. :-(07:22
ArCHoNKoGcrimsun, not sure how can i find out07:22
plasmowat library07:22
Astinuscrimsun: Yeah, its bloody ancient - like 6 months out of date.07:22
GotD0tArCHoNKoG: do you have an onboard sound card and a pci sound card?07:23
crimsunAstinus: I see 1.160 in sid/hoary07:23
crimsunAstinus: what's in warty?07:23
ArCHoNKoGpci for mic and usb for sound07:23
AstinusAstinus, 1.170 is current07:23
Astinuscrimsun: 1.150 is warty07:23
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nirannewbiewan: yeah, i put up with it though. i just restart when it does that. it's really a shame though07:23
crimsunAstinus: that's not terribly bad...07:23
Astinuscrimsun: It is when you consider that Webmin won't work with modules if its outta date.07:23
Astinuscrimsun: It has to be kept up to date or things break :D07:24
crimsunAstinus: it should work w/ everything in warty.07:24
Astinuscrimsun:  Would you advise an upgrade to Hoary on an AMD64 install?07:24
AstinusI generally run Sarge/Sid when playing with Debian - same thing here/07:24
crimsunAstinus: well, webmin is in 'universe', so Ubuntu developers aren't going to concentrate on keeping it current07:25
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crimsunAstinus: Hoary is far more bleeding-edge than Sid+experimental07:25
AstinusHrmmm, fair enough.07:25
AstinusOut of pure interest since I Just got a AMD64, I don't see any difference in my sources.list for an x86 and AMD64 -- how are the packages different?07:26
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shianuxniran: I'm back with XFree, but the res is still stuck at 640x48007:26
crimsunAstinus: different target07:26
shianuxwhich must mean it has nothing to do with X, isn't it?07:27
Astinuscrimsun:  Hrmmm, I was getting a weird dpkg error under AMD64 actually.07:27
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AstinusSomething about the architecture not being listed somewhere07:27
niranshianux: hmm... did anything else change since then?07:27
Scorpwait wtf root is disabled by default? is this a good thing?07:27
Cloudchaserok i need zlib an there's a whole bunch of them in the apt-cache search list07:28
crimsunScorp: yes, it's a good thing07:28
shianuxniran: no, it was a quick changeover07:28
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AstinusScorp:  Yes, it stops people mucking it up :P07:28
Scorpvery cool07:28
crimsunCloudchaser: to compile something that depends on zlib?07:28
crimsunCloudchaser: install zlib1g-dev07:28
niranshianux: you wouldn't happen to have a backup xfree86config-4 file anywhere, would you?07:28
SmokingFirecan dpkg use repositories?07:28
Scorpbut how am I going to screw up everything if I can't be root??!07:28
AstinusPrecisely :-D07:28
crimsunSmokingFire: dpkg just handles installing and removing packages07:29
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AstinusWell you could sudo an rm -rf /07:29
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Cloudchaserwell fooey it wants expat ..i installed it and it can't find it07:29
crimsunSmokingFire: other programs layer on top of dpkg to handle repos07:29
Scorpso the first user basicly can do any command by typing sudo infront of it?07:29
GotD0tScorp: you cant "BE" root but you can do something "AS" root07:29
plasmozlib1g-dev is probli the one u need07:29
bob2dpkg knows about single packages, and their relationships07:29
AstinusScorp:  Yeah07:29
bob2apt knows about repositories07:29
Cloudchaserthis is just goofy07:30
Scorpso what's keeping me from scrweing up someones day by sending him a script that executes sudo rm -rf / and (obviouysly a newbie) him running it?07:30
SmokingFirecrimsun: to bad. As I have a deb package with a bunch of depenencies. But getting those depends manually is PITA07:30
shianuxniran: no... but I just thought of something... I'll run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again07:30
bob2Scorp: the fact you're not evil?07:30
shianuxniran: do you think I should enable frame buffer?07:30
niranshianux: that was my next suggestion =)07:30
shianuxniran: what does the frame buffer thingy do anyway?07:30
bob2SmokingFire: get whoever mad the deb to use a proper repository07:30
niranshianux: if it was disabled before, i'd say leave it07:30
bob2or make your own07:30
Scorpbob2 well I meant that as a very *hypothetical* situation ;)07:30
crimsunSmokingFire: what package?07:30
SmokingFirecrimsun: xmltv and eventually gnometv07:31
bob2Scorp: nothing but encouragiing a culture where a) people don't send that and b) where newbies don't run random stuff people send to them07:31
shianuxniran: yeah, it was disabled before... but I wonder, does it have anything to do with the screen res? haha, I guess probably not07:31
niranshianux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framebuffer07:31
nirani didn't really know either =)07:31
CloudchaserCouldn't find package zlibg-dev07:31
Scorpbob2 but what will that do to the whole Linux culture?!07:31
Scorpactually it sounds like a good approach07:31
crimsunCloudchaser: please read what I pasted above regarding zlib1g-dev07:31
bob2Cloudchaser: zlib1g-dev - compression library - development07:32
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Scorpis ubuntu the only distro/OS to do this or is this a debian thing?07:32
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crimsunSmokingFire: xmltv is in hoary/universe. Do you have the 'universe' repo enabled?07:32
bob2Scorp: to do what?07:32
victorhi, is there a kernel source package for apt-get?07:32
SmokingFirecrimsun: I have, I must have overlooked it07:32
crimsunvictor: linux-source-
bob2victor: yes...are you trying to build a module?07:32
Scorpbob2: disable root and encourage people to sudo ...07:33
niranvictor: apt-cache search will search the repositories07:33
victorcrimsun: thanks07:33
niranor use synaptic07:33
bob2victor: then you don't want the source, you want: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`07:33
crimsunvictor: install linux-headers-`uname -r`07:33
xskoulaxhey, on the livecd is there a way to get the terminals working07:33
xskoulaxthey won't listen to keyboard07:33
bob2Scorp: OS X does it, too, don't know of any linux-based ones that do07:33
Cloudchaseri'm sorry crimsun, i missed a letter07:33
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ScorpI see07:34
SmokingFirecrimsun: I can't find it. I have universe and multiverse enabled07:34
xskoulaxwtf? text editor dosn't either07:34
Cloudchaseri got it now07:34
Cloudchaserthanks ;)07:34
crimsunSmokingFire: `apt-cache policy xmltv'07:34
crimsunSmokingFire: if that returns nothing, then it's only in hoary/universe07:34
Cloudchaserthats why it didn't work the first time...cause i missed a letter07:34
xskoulaxnm now it all of a sudden listens07:35
SmokingFirecrimsun: returns nothing07:35
Cloudchasermust be time to sleep07:35
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crimsunSmokingFire: then it's as I said regarding hoary/universe07:35
victorgood distro07:35
SmokingFirecrimsun: I'm adding the hoary repos temporary just to fetch it07:36
plasmogood weed :)07:36
huwrhrm... So I install Ubuntu and use ReiserFS on my boot partition, then Grub goes and has an error saying "Cannot mount selected partition", and apparently that means it can't recognise the filesystem.07:36
huwrAny ideas?07:36
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crimsunSmokingFire: that's a really dangerous thing to do...07:37
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newbiewanshianux: I found using the framebuffer was the only way I could get 1280x1024 resolution with some distros like BeatrIX. The cheat code was fb1280x1024.07:37
SmokingFirecrimsun: as long as it can't physically destroy my computer its ok.07:37
shianuxhi all, back, and I'm still stuck in 640x480 hell07:37
Scorphow do I set the time correctly?07:38
crimsunSmokingFire: you might end up with a bigger headache07:38
Scorpsorry for being such a loser it's been awhile07:38
bob2shianux: you didn't find the bug report yet?07:38
bob2Scorp: 'sudo ntpdate'07:38
shianuxbob2: the few that I could find didn't seem to have any clues on how to fix it...07:39
huwror people could just ignore me, that works, too. :p07:39
Cloudchaserscorp i know the feeling..07:39
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newbiewan<newbiewan> shianux: I found using the framebuffer was the only way I could get 1280x1024 resolution with some distros like BeatrIX. The cheat code was fb1280x1024.07:39
Scorpwait wait ntpdate and is there a server I need to specify?07:39
newbiewanOoops, he quit again.  :-/07:40
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plasmoselect the server from the clock07:40
bob2huwr: try asking on the list, I guess07:40
bob2Scorp: no, it defaults to one07:40
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flamesrockhi, I was hoping one of you knowledgeable people could answer a question about ftp for me?07:42
niranask away07:42
bob2it's best to just ask07:42
flamesrockIs it possible to have multiple people simultaneously use the same ftp account?07:43
flamesrockexcellent, tx :)07:43
bob2but it's a bad idea07:44
bob2why would you want people to share?07:44
flamesrockwhys that?07:44
flamesrockwell its an open repository pretty much07:44
bob2same reason it's bad to have people share unix accounts07:44
bob2open repository of what?07:44
flamesrocksavegame files07:44
flamesrockthe user doesn't know directly though - its handled by the client07:45
bob2why not just have anonymous ftp upload then?07:45
flamesrockwell I could, but I want the files to have a tiny bit of protection from people with bad intentions07:45
flamesrockthe user never sees the ftp username and password07:46
flamesrockand its changed daily..well the design decision might change07:46
flamesrockI just needed to know before I programmed something into it that would make the whole design fall like a house of cards07:47
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ArCHoNKoGanyone played wma with xmms07:48
flamesrockanonymous ftp would be good if the files didn't need to be overwritten though :), but they do since its like a multiplayer thing07:48
flamesrockyup, you need to download the plugin07:48
flamesrockbut it doesn't completely work07:49
ArCHoNKoGwhich one07:49
ArCHoNKoGbecause i have been searching07:49
flamesrockjust type xmms into synaptic07:50
flamesrockcome to think of it, you might need to enable the universe07:50
GotD0tflamesrock: how does the client recieve the new password?07:50
flamesrockkindof a silly implemenation..but it stores the password and username in a file, encoded (I was thinking of using rotor)07:51
flamesrockon the server07:51
GotD0tflamesrock: so any thing that logs onto the server can retrieve the encoded password for the day07:52
flamesrockthats the one thing holding me back from distributing the source actually07:52
flamesrocknot directly, its all handled by the client07:52
flamesrockand since they don't see the source, they won't know how to encode it07:52
GotD0tflamesrock: i mean, anything that looks like the client will be able retrieve the encoded password?07:53
flamesrockyup heh07:53
flamesrockanybody can just type the url in07:53
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GotD0tflamesrock: so you're not even using your own protocol...07:54
flamesrocknope, I completely suck at programming right now07:55
flamesrockhow would I do that?07:55
saguro12I have an IBM laptop, and I am concerned as my fan does not turn on in this distro...07:55
saguro12can anyone help me?07:55
GotD0tflamesrock: so theres no way of telling if its actually the client asking for the encoded password or just someone in a web browser07:55
GotD0tsaguro12: did you install with acpi?07:55
flamesrocknope :) I'm relying on a special encoding to keep them hidden07:55
saguro12yes. gotdot.07:56
saguro12should I not have?07:56
flamesrockit might not work though, I'm not experienced with this stuff07:56
GotD0tsaguro12: then i've no clue... no experience with laptops07:56
flamesrockhow would you do it?07:56
GotD0tflamesrock: how are you encoding?07:56
flamesrockyou know the enigma machine code?07:56
saguro12hmmm...I've tried the net, but there's not much around..  you know any websites that might help?07:56
GotD0tflamesrock: hahaha07:57
flamesrockI was going to do that 3 times over07:57
GotD0tflamesrock: i could crack something encoded with that... and im just in highschool07:57
flamesrockI know its stupid but I have no idea how else to do it07:57
GotD0tflamesrock: now that you know how to do it07:57
GotD0tflamesrock: why password protect it at all?07:57
bob2saguro12: try asking on the user list07:57
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flamesrockfrom malicious users basically. I trust most people, but there are always guys who want to mess around with it07:58
GotD0tflamesrock: so you want to keep people from modifying the game data07:59
bob2it sounds like a malicious user can overwrite everyone elses files, tho07:59
GotD0tbob2: if they pull the password07:59
saguro12user list?08:00
bob2saguro12: mailing list08:00
flamesrocknope, lol...thats the irony. I WANT people to modify the game data08:00
bob2GotD0t: which every client will have08:00
flamesrockits a multiplayer repository type thing08:00
bob2flamesrock: so what's the password protecting then?08:00
GotD0tflamesrock: you want the CLIENT to modify the data, not hte user itself08:00
flamesrockbut this way I can track IP's and have a little security08:00
saguro12thanks bob2.  I'll go to the ubuntu forum and post.08:00
bob2saguro12: the list, not the forum08:00
flamesrockpretty much. The user creates the new files and overwrites the old ones08:01
GotD0tflamesrock: see what you need to do is have the SERVER handle all data and have the clients retrieve the data from the server08:01
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flamesrockthats the original way we did it, hehe08:01
flamesrockbut it was way too cumbersome08:02
ArCHoNKoGhas anyone got gdesklet-data to work ?08:02
GotD0tflamesrock: thats the most secure way08:02
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bob2ArCHoNKoG: lots of people08:02
flamesrockwe did it with php and mysql. But it was hardly usable because users had to jump through so many hoops08:02
bob2tho it's possible it was broken in hoary by python 2.408:02
flamesrockthis way, there's less security, but its extremely easy to use08:03
ArCHoNKoGbob2, would you know it won't load08:03
GotD0tflamesrock: hmm08:03
flamesrockand faster (you'd have to download ~3megs of data first the serverside way)08:04
bob2ArCHoNKoG: ?08:04
GotD0tflamesrock: its a bad idea to save any data on the users hard disk unencrpypted08:04
bob2you can't usefully encrypt it in Free Software08:05
GotD0tbob2: exactly... thats why an open source MMO (like planeshift) doesn't save stuff on the users hard disk08:05
flamesrockyup, I was planning on reading it directly to memory :)08:05
GotD0tflamesrock: explain that statement08:06
flamesrockbut most of the people using the system will be fairly young, so I'm not too worried08:06
flamesrockwell, downloading the file, opening the contents and deleting it immediately08:07
flamesrockand then unencoding08:07
GotD0tflamesrock: so you don't store any data on their hard disk08:07
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flamesrockonly things like configuration files08:08
GotD0tflamesrock: ok then08:08
GotD0tflamesrock: so lemme get this straight08:08
ArCHoNKoGbob2, when i click on it in app i just get a windows saying starting gdesk and give it like 20 secound the windows closes08:08
GotD0tflamesrock: someone plays the game, any changes made to the character or whatever gets sent to the server, and then when they log on again they retrieve it again?08:09
bob2ArCHoNKoG: ok.  try asking on the user list, I guess08:09
flamesrockwell, its a region composed of cities. A user claims however many cities, plays them, uploads their cities, and downloads the other users cities08:10
GotD0tflamesrock: and they upload it to a ftp server with a password?08:10
GotD0tflamesrock: which changes every day?08:10
flamesrockyup, well the client does it automatically basically08:10
flamesrockcome to think of it08:10
flamesrocktheres not much of a reason to change the password if they can crack it08:11
GotD0tflamesrock: right, ok... and how exactly do they receive the pasword each day08:11
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bob2they don't need to crack it, you gave it to them08:11
flamesrockit has something to do with the way they login:08:11
Scorpduring the installation I got to the part where I install extra software and now all I'm seeing are "Setting up python**-****" lines how long is this going to take?08:11
bob2Scorp: not too long08:11
Scorpbob2 it's already taking too long lol08:11
flamesrocknope, I don't give it to them, bob2, the client gets it. When a user registers08:12
ScorpI'm on python2.3-reportlab (1.19debian-0.1)08:12
flamesrockthe client generates a key string of 10 letters/numbers08:12
bob2flamesrock: that means they have it08:12
flamesrockand saves a file under that name08:12
Scorpor pyopenssl08:12
flamesrockhmm I don't think so08:12
bob2Scorp: go make a cup of tea or something...you don't have to sit and watch it08:12
flamesrockthat key.txt contains their info08:12
ryan_Hi all. I have installed xmms, but it will not open. It is giving me a weird error when i try to launch it from a terminal. here is the info. http://www.pastebin.com/133458  Do you know what is going on?08:12
Cloudchaserg'night everyone and thanks for all the help!!!08:12
bob2flamesrock: if you send it to the client, the user has it08:12
flamesrockthe directory which its stored in has apache listing turned off08:13
bob2ryan_: something about linker inconsitencies?08:13
flamesrockso the client has to access it directly08:13
Scorpbob2 yeah but as soon as I leave it'll finish08:13
flamesrockif it exists, the client can then access and unencode the file which contains the password and user08:13
bob2this sounds like you're just adding layers of obscurity...08:14
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flamesrockheh, pretty much, but like I said its makeshift :)08:14
flamesrockI don't want to make it so secure that it makes the concept unusable08:14
GotD0tflamesrock: how is the data stored on the server08:14
bob2you don't have to08:14
ryan_bob2: lol, srry, im tired, i just installed libmikmod2 and it now works...guess i need to use my brain more often :P08:15
bob2make each client generate a key and send the public part during registration08:15
bob2then have them sign their files before they upload it08:15
flamesrockthe user keys are stored in an unlistable directory. The regions are stored under the ftp directory, in seperate folders08:15
bob2ryan_: ah, right, the old-bug-in-the-nvidia-drivers thing08:15
flamesrockthe config files are located all over the place08:15
flamesrockkinda messy08:15
ryan_bob2: now that i have installed libmikmod2...will it mess up my nvidia drivers?08:16
bob2ryan_: no, it works around a bug in them08:16
flamesrockcould you explain that in a little more detail bob2?08:16
bob2\don't think anyone knows why it works08:16
bob2flamesrock: which bit?08:16
GotD0tflamesrock: do you know what pgp is?08:16
flamesrockmake each client generate a key and send the public part during registration08:16
flamesrockthen have them sign their files before they upload it08:16
ryan_bob2: thats pretty weird...anyways, thanks!!!!08:16
bob2a gpg/pgp key08:16
bob2ryan_: you're welcome08:16
flamesrockhmm interesting..I've heard the term thrown around. how does it work?08:17
bob2what term?08:17
GotD0tflamesrock: yea... and then you have the client sign all files to make certain that the files are coming from the client and not from the user directly08:17
bob2in this case, then you can be sure that the person who registers i sthe person who subsequently uploads files08:18
flamesrockawesome idea, tx guys :)08:18
flamesrockI think that'll actually work08:18
GotD0tbob2: but it still doesn't protect against a malicious user08:18
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bob2of course08:18
bob2you need some way to control who registers08:18
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GotD0twhat do you mean08:19
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kipodgood morning08:19
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flamesrockI wanted to use public registration, but record the ip info into a special file to track them08:20
GotD0tflamesrock: cant work... most people don't have a static08:20
bob2GotD0t: any system needs some way to deal with 'random idiots signing up'08:20
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GotD0tbob2: but an idiot is not who you'd be protecting against08:21
flamesrockin the old system, we only had one malicious user08:22
bob2meh, you need to deal with untrusted people signing up, malicious or otherwise08:22
GotD0tbob2: well its a game... im assuming they'll all be untrusted08:22
GotD0tbob2: so signing the files doesn't do anything08:23
bob2er? yes it does.08:23
bob2it punts the responsibility to the signup stage08:23
bob2instead of just letting random people upload anything at any time08:23
GotD0tbob2: because any reasonably intelligble person could grab their own key of their hard disk and sign a modified save file08:23
bob2of course08:24
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bob2but you know it was them, then08:24
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GotD0tbob2: but how do you know its modified... i think thats the point... to keep people from messing with the save files08:24
bob2under flamesrock's system, any user can bring the whole thing down with no way of knowing who it was08:24
bob2GotD0t: all you gain is knowing who did what08:24
GotD0tbob2: if you can figure out that it was indeed modified in the first place08:24
bob2you know when and by who each file was modified08:25
bob2that's how signatures work08:25
GotD0tbob2: right, you know whos uploading it... but you don't know if the data in it comes from the game or comes from someone messing with the file and then uploading it through ftp08:25
bob2of course08:26
GotD0tbob2: which is exactly what im assuming he'd want to avoid08:26
bob2you can't ever know that if you let the clients do any calulation08:26
GotD0tbob2: that was my original point08:26
GotD0tbob2: theres no way to secure his current system08:26
flamesrockyup, somebody could just rename a text file as .sc4 and mess things up pretty past08:26
flamesrocknot completely secure, but the pgp idea would help, right?08:27
GotD0tflamesrock: it would be able to tell you precisely who uploaded the data08:28
flamesrockah, as long as I could track 'em down :)08:28
GotD0tflamesrock: and keep someone from modifying someone elses data08:29
GotD0tflamesrock: you could track em down, if you could find out some way to tell if the data is authentic08:29
Scorpdamn it's still Setting up stuff08:29
Scorpwhat's up with that08:29
Scorpit's on gnome08:29
Scorphow much more to go?08:30
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drspinwhat is the best way to make "cp -R /mnt/data/dir/*.txt /home/user/folder/08:38
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AstinusDoes Hoary have OpenOffice 2.0?08:40
flamesrockdo you have python installed?08:40
crimsundrspin: for i in `find /mnt/data/dir -name '*.txt'` do cp "$i" /home/user/folder/.; done08:40
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flamesrockI guess that'll work to ;)08:41
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crimsunbe aware that my bash syntax is rusty08:41
housetierwouldnt find /mnt/data/dir -name "*.txt* -exec cp \{\} /home/user/folder \; work too?08:41
crimsunso you may need an additional semicolon08:41
crimsunhousetier: sure08:42
ScorpI'm pretty impressed08:42
housetierI wonder if that can be done with one cp command...08:42
Scorpand I didn't even get to the gnome desktop yet08:42
housetiercp $(find the stuff) /target/dir08:42
crimsunhousetier: if all the .txt files are in that one dir, then yes.08:43
crimsunit'd be a simple cp /foo/*.txt /some/other/.08:43
Scorpok how do I configure the network? I screwed it up during the initial installation08:44
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ArCHoNKoGhas anyone here have any problems with gdesklet ?08:48
drspinlet's rethink this question - I need to recursively open all of the sub-dirs in folder "/" checking for '*.txt' files -- if it finds a file of this type, copy 'directory/containing/txtfile/txtfile.txt'08:50
Scorpis this part of the plan ? how do I configure the network08:50
ScorpI can't find any docs08:50
flamesrockits a ram hog..thats all08:50
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flamesrockwhat problems are you having ArCHoNKoG08:51
drspinscorp: be more specific with your question -- what do you need configured?08:52
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Scorpthe network08:52
Scorpie I need to connect to my LAN08:52
Scorpit was going to do it automatically but the wire was unplugged during installation so it didn't do it08:53
drspinScorp: hey hey - do you need to manually set ip/subnet/domain or is this taken from a DHCP server?08:53
bob2drspin: find -name "*.txt" is a start08:53
melazyboyNew version of mplayer released today pre608:53
bob2Scorp: plug it in and run 'sudo dhclient eth0'08:53
drspinbob2: thanks08:53
drspinwas gonna have to look it up...08:53
bob2copying with the full path will be fun08:54
Scorpbob2 thank you08:54
Scorpok well that's wierd it didn't work08:55
drspinScorp: type "ifconfig" what does it say about ETH0?08:55
Scorpdrspin will do in just 1 sec08:56
Scorpbecause the laptop decided to reboot08:56
Scorpbecause I pulled out the battery on accident :)08:56
ArCHoNKoGflamesrock, i will go to apps so i can get gdesklets to work nothing happens08:56
bob2do you know how to use gdesklets?08:57
ArCHoNKoGbob2, nope08:57
bob2are you sure your problem isn't stemming from not reading the README?08:58
Scorpdrspin it says nothing about eth0 when I type ifconfig08:59
drspinbob2: ok I have a file "output" that is a text file that contains the results of my find :)08:59
Scorpdoes that mean it's not configured in the kernel?08:59
ArCHoNKoGbob2, what readme ?08:59
ArCHoNKoGwhere is it08:59
drspinScorp: try this: "sudo ifup eth0"08:59
bob2Scorp: dmesg | grep eth0, does it print anything?08:59
bob2ArCHoNKoG: /usr/share/doc/gdesklets/08:59
Scorpignoring unknown interface09:00
Scorpbib2 yeah09:00
drspinyou need to load drivers for your NIC09:00
ScorpSun GEM (PCI)09:00
bob2drspin: no09:00
Scorpplus other things09:00
bob2'sudo ifconfig eth0 up', then run dhclient09:00
ScorpDHCP Disocver on eth0 to port 67 interval 7,8,1909:01
Scorpexcept DHCPDISCOVER09:01
drspinbob2: why wouldn't "ifup" work for that... that's all you did?!?09:02
bob2drspin: no, ifup does something else09:02
bob2that involves parsing /etc/network/interfaces, which on Scorp's machine knows nothing of eth009:02
bob2what I said just tells the kernel to bring it up09:02
Scorpnevermind it works09:03
drspinah - ok09:03
Scorpthank you all09:03
bob2you'll need to edit /etc/network/interfaces if you want it to work after the next reboot09:03
Scorpnew gnome seems pretty slick eh?09:04
Scorpis there a howto on getting the rest of the ppc stuff to work aswell? (ie the volume/brightness buttons?)09:05
flamesrocklooks even better with the mac OSX theme :)09:05
drspinok so I have a list of a bunch of files... but they're all in 40 directories... if there was a way to just use the folders rather than the individual files this would go much faster :)09:05
AstinusHow problemmatic is an average upgrade to Hoary?09:05
flamesrocknot sure09:05
flamesrock(directed to Scorp)09:06
ScorpI see09:06
Scorpok well time to play around with this baby :)09:06
drspinScorp: what laptop you on?09:06
Scorppowerbook g3 pismo09:06
bob2Scorp: install pbbuttonsd09:07
Scorp400 / 192 megs of ram09:07
Scorpbob2 how? (I'm completely new to debian style installation of things)09:07
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bob2Scorp: computer -> system preferences -> synaptic09:07
drspinpbbuttonsd should do the volume and brightness buttons09:07
bob2Scorp: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto09:07
ScorpI don't have a system preferences menu09:08
ScorpI do09:08
bob2Astinus: don't try it if you're not comfortable with hitting bugs and potentially not having a usable system very occasionally09:08
Astinusbob2 :  I'm fairly used to a few bugs, and could use the more up to date packages - especially latest Apache builds09:08
Astinusbob2:  But I wondered what the transition to XOrg is like?09:09
bob2smooth as long as you don't use nvidia09:09
Astinusargh ffs09:09
AstinusI'm actually running vesa at the moment though..09:09
Scorpoh what do you know I already had pbbuttonsd :)09:09
Scorpwhat's that gui thing for it though?09:09
Scorpgtkpbbuttons or osmething?09:10
drspinbob2: I want to copy every folder under "/" that contains a "*.txt" file to "/folder" -- maybe that's a better approach?09:10
Astinusbob2:  Any added instability issues which come from me using AMD64?09:10
bob2Astinus: don't know of any aside from flakey hardware (e.g. the nvidia-apic-lapic-io-apic saga)09:11
bob2drspin: the whole directory structure relative to /? why?09:11
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drspinI'm using a hypothetical scenario to/avoid/rediculously/long/commands/09:13
drspinseeking help with a proof of concept, if you will09:14
bob2you know about $PATH, right?09:14
bob2and symlinks09:14
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rviraniWhen is the next scheduled update of ubuntu?09:14
calcapril 200509:15
rviranimaybe by that time I will have the SMP machine I want :D09:15
drspinyes - here's my deal - I have 6000 mp3 & aac files... unfortunately support for AAC is not looking good ATM so I want to move all the AAC files to an alternate folder until they are of more use...09:17
drspinmy music folder is laid out "./artist/album/01 first track.m4a"09:18
Scorphow do I decide which services turn on with ubuntu?09:18
drspinI also have some that are "./compilation/album/01 first track.m4a"09:19
bob2if you installed it, it's on09:19
ScorpI want to turn some off ;)09:19
bob2if you want it to not run, uninstall it or remove it's symlink from /etc/rc2.d/09:19
bob2or use sysv-rc-conf or update-rc.d09:19
Scorpok ty09:19
calcwouldn't find . -name "*.m4a" -exec mv \{\} somewhere \;  work?09:19
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Lathiatcalc: well thatd move all files, not the whole directories09:20
calcit would probably not completely remove the old dir structure though09:20
drspinwhat's the period (.) in there do?09:20
Lathiatcalc: yeh exactly09:20
calcLathiat: yea09:20
Lathiatdreamer: find . means current directory09:20
Lathiatdrspin: rather09:20
drspinlathiat: thanks :)09:20
drspincalc: thanks09:20
Lathiatbut that wont do what you want09:20
bob2hard-linking the trees then trimming one might be easier09:20
Lathiatcould also so something like09:21
calcit would still leave the old dir folders and any other files in those folders, itunes typically doesn't have other files in those folders besides maybe playlists(?)09:21
Lathiat<lost interest>09:22
Lathiatcant find the opposite of basename :009:22
Lathiat:) rather09:22
drspincalc: no iTunes handles it's playlists in a HUGE database...09:23
calcLathiat: dirname?09:23
calcso he could do mv `dirname \{\}` somewhere \;09:23
calcdrspin: ok09:24
Lathiatcalc: thats the one09:25
drspincp: cannot stat `dirname\\{\\}': No such file or directory09:25
drspinmounted RO ATM... so I'm using "cp"09:26
Lathiatfind . -name \*.mp3|xargs -n1 dirname|grep -v ^\.$|sort|uniq09:26
Lathiatgets a list of directories09:26
Lathiatwith mp3s in them09:26
Lathiatso change that to m4a09:26
calcLathiat: yep09:26
Lathiatthen like |xargs -n1 mv09:26
Lathiator something09:26
Lathiator for i in `command`; do mv $i /path/to/moved/files; done09:26
Lathiatso i *think*: for i in `find . -name \*.mp3 | xargs -n1 dirname | grep -v ^\.$ | sort | uniq`; do cp -a "$i" /path/to/files; done09:27
Lathiatwill copy mp3 directories09:27
Lathiatif it ruins your music collection it snot my problem09:27
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Lathiatso test it :)09:27
calcit snot? :)09:27
ml267i added an app from universe.  it doesn't show up in the desktop menu.  how do i add it?09:28
housetierby now I'd have started mc and done it by hand... :)09:28
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Scorpso say I want to install a new package (say fluxbox) how do I go about doing sy, do I use synaptic again?09:28
drspinnormally I woulda done it by hand but people tell me all the time how powerful linux can be for this stuff so I'm trying it first hand09:28
bob2I'd go with something more like: for i in $(find -name "*.mp3") ; do mkdir -p /blah/$(dirname $i) ; mv $i /blah/$i ; done09:29
bob2Scorp: yes09:29
bob2ml267: applications:/// in nautilys09:29
drspinit seems that these commands are having issued with the spaces in the foldernames09:30
bob2ah, yeah09:30
calcdrspin: wrap them with "'s09:30
calcwell the needed ones anyway, eg the args to mkdir and mv09:31
bob2for i in $(find -name "*.mp3") ; do mkdir -p /blah/"$(dirname $i)" ; mv "$i" /blah/"$i" ; done09:31
ml267bob2: not sure what you mean.  config file for naut?09:31
bob2ml267: hit ctrl-l in a nautilus window, type applications:/// and hit enter09:32
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drspinfor i in $(find -name "*.m4a") ; do mkdir -p "/home/cole/Music\ AAC/$(dirname $i)" ; cp $i "/home/cole/Music\ AAC/$i" ; done09:33
ScorpI can't find fluxbox do I need to add a certain repository or the default ones enough?09:33
ml267bob2: that's the equivalent of windows start menu?09:33
drspincp: cannot stat `./Something': No such file or directory09:33
drspincp: cannot stat `Corporate/Leaving': No such file or directory09:33
calcdrspin: you left out the "$i" on the first cp arg09:33
bob2ml267: guess so09:33
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drspinsame deal09:34
calcat least i think that is the issue09:34
bob2probably need to make it $(dirname \"$i\") or so09:34
da_bon_bonhi all09:34
da_bon_boncrimsun: are you here ?09:34
calcerm i breaks the spaces itself09:34
da_bon_bonbob2: hi. i got firefox to be defualt...09:34
calcer the for i loop09:34
bob2oh yeah09:35
bob2this is why sane people don't have spaces in filenames...09:35
kipoddoes any one else have problems with gDesklets on the hoary ver. ?09:35
calcthere is some arg you have to set for the shell not to do that09:35
da_bon_bonbob2: i figured that /usr/local/firefox was created by root and hence i dont have +x.so i just set the path to /usr/bin/firefox and it works :D09:35
calcwhich i don't happen to recall09:35
calcah IFS09:35
bob2oh yeah09:36
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bob2kipod: lots of people, welcome to the unstable version of ubuntu!09:36
bob2kipod: if you find a solution, please add it to the FAQ09:36
calcIFS="" && ....09:36
ml267bob2: I tried creating a launcher, but nothing happened.  I'm guessing that i don't have perms to write in there?09:36
da_bon_bondoes anyone know how do i import my favorties in firefox from win32 ?09:36
calcdrspin: add that before the rest of your line (leave out the ... obviously)09:37
kipodbob2,  yeah sure I will09:37
bob2ml267: pretty sure you do, don't know what the problem could be09:37
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housetierI am not sure IFS is still "" after the && though09:38
calchousetier: it is09:38
calci tested it09:38
calcIFS="" && for i in $(find -name "*.m4a") ; do mkdir -p "/home/cole/Music AAC/$(dirname $i)" ; cp "$i" "/home/cole/Music AAC/$i" ; done09:38
calcthat should do it09:38
kipodbob2,  can u gemme the hoary FAQ address plz ....09:39
calcat least it is on bash, not sure what other shells will do09:39
housetierit might have been empty before too, its empty here09:39
calcempty is different than null09:39
bob2kipod: 'please'? it'd be linked from www.ubuntulinux.org/support/09:39
calcer unset i meant to say09:39
housetieryou have a point there09:39
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calcif its unset then it defaults to breaking on spaces, otherwise if it is set to null "" it won't break09:40
calcif its set to something it add those to it09:40
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drspindo I need the "IFS=... " stuff?09:40
bob2that's not null, it's empty</pedant>09:41
calcbob2: heh the manpage calls that null ;)09:41
calcdrspin: you need to add the IFS="" &&09:41
drspincalc: K09:41
calcdrspin: it tells the shell not to split the for loop on spaces09:41
calc       IFS    The  Internal Field Separator that is used for word splitting after expansion and to split lines09:41
calc              into words with the read builtin command.  The default value is <space><tab><newline>.09:41
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calcwhich is why people typically don't use spaces on unix :)09:42
drspinnow I just get a list of the files09:43
ml267bob2: i was able to create a launcher on my desktop, but still haven't been able to have one in the applications:/// in nautilus09:43
bob2ml267: ok09:43
drspincp: accessing `/home/cole/Music AAC/./Something Corporate/Leaving Through the Window/01 I Want to Save You.m4a\n./Something Corporate/Leavin... you get the idea -- at the end it says "Filename too long"09:43
bob2I don't actually use the menu at all...try asking on the user list maybe09:43
calcah shit09:44
calcsetting IFS to empty may not be what is needed then, seems its ignoring even \n09:44
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ml267bob2: via email, you mean?09:46
calci don't know how to make just use \n as the separator :\09:46
da_bon_bonwhich is the best GUI for cd writing in ubuntu ??09:48
da_bon_bonbob2: no, a dedicated, advanced program, like k3b ?09:48
calcah you have to use a real enter09:48
kipodwhats the diffrence betwin './' and 'sh' ?09:48
calcso IFS="(hit enter)" && ...09:49
bob2da_bon_bon: what doesn't nautilus do?09:49
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calc./ tells it to run the file, sh foo tells it to treat the foo file as a shell script (iirc)09:49
bob2kipod: ./ means the current directory, sh is the name of the program that is a shell09:49
da_bon_bonbob2: ok... how do i create a link to nautilus cd-burning in mt menus ?09:50
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ted_fortywhats the nearest equivalent to outlook express in debian? mutt? i just want to set up a mail client to send and receive mail via my isps mail server? must be CLI based09:50
bob2kipod: if you mean "the difference between ./foo and 'sh foo'", then it's the difference between running a program (which the kernel decides is a shell script) and running a shell over a script file09:50
bendercan some one help me, im new to this whole "sudo" thing09:50
bob2ted_forty: please just pick one channel09:50
bob2da_bon_bon: 'mt'?09:50
drspincalc: LOL -- I actually tried that - DUH!09:50
bob2bender: ask a specific question...09:50
benderhow do i become root09:50
xskoulaxwhats the largest size fat32 partition you can create under linux?09:51
calcdrspin: it worked then right?09:51
bob2bender: to do what?09:51
ml267bender: you don't need to be root usually09:51
benderi wana write to /usr/src09:51
calcIFS=" hit enter then " && ... is the only way i know of the force it to include \n in the IFS var09:51
bob2bender: man sudo, -s might be what you're looking for09:52
da_bon_bonbob2: mt ? whats mt ?09:52
ml267da_bon_bon: you said "mt menus" in your last line09:52
calc02:51 < da_bon_bon> bob2: ok... how do i create a link to nautilus cd-burning09:53
calc                    in mt menus ?09:53
da_bon_bonml267, calc, bob2: oh sorry.... i meant 'the'09:53
ml267da_bon_bon: i'm trying to figure out how to edit the menu myself...09:53
calcheh ok :)09:53
drspincalc: hey!! It seems to be working!09:53
calcwell i know how to do it via the XDG manual way09:53
ml267da_bon_bon:  try this.. http://ubuntuguide.org/#browseedituserprogramsmenu09:53
calcdrspin: cool :)09:54
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da_bon_bonml267: ok. i actually have a copy of the guide locally.09:54
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calcxskoulax: as big as fat32 goes09:54
calcxskoulax: 2TB or something most likely09:54
xskoulaxmmm thats what i was thinking09:54
calconly XP limits you to 32GB09:54
calcof course the cluster size grows09:55
xskoulaxubuntu is saying a 30Gb partition is a problem09:55
benderany one know anything about prism2_usb PRISM2 devices / wifi09:55
drspinthis is one for the Scriptbank!09:55
xskoulaxwhen i try to write the file system there09:55
calchmm that is odd i have made much larger fat32 partitions in the past under linux09:55
xskoulaxme too09:55
da_bon_bonhow is gcombust for cd-burning ?09:55
calci haven't made any under ubuntu though09:55
xskoulaxi've used linux to get 100+gb fat32 paritions in the past09:55
drspincalc & bob: thanks much:)09:55
calcxskoulax: yep me too09:56
xskoulaxusing the live cd right now to create the partiton on a 120gb drive hooked up via usb09:56
xskoulaxmaybe that combination is the problem09:56
calcxskoulax: what error does it say?09:56
xskoulaxmkfs.vfat: Attempting to create a too large file system09:57
calcdid you pass it -F 32 ?09:57
xskoulax-f vfat09:57
xskoulaxi need the 32?09:57
calci know i had to use that at one time, not sure if its really required though09:57
xskoulaxi did mkfs -t vfat /dev/sda109:58
calcnormally it only defaults to 12/16 according to the manpage09:58
xskoulaxahhh maybe thats my issue then09:58
calc       -F FATsize09:58
calc              Specifies  the type of file allocation tables used (12, 16 or 32 bit).  If nothing is specified,09:58
calc              mkdosfs will automatically select between 12 and 16 bit, whatever fits better for the filesystem09:58
calc              size.  32 bit FAT (FAT32 format) must (still) be selected explicitly if you want it.09:58
xskoulaxi did mkfs -t vfat -F 32/dev/sda1 then09:58
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xskoulaxwith the space thats needed of course09:58
calcdid that work?09:58
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huwrGood lord.09:59
xskoulaxits trying09:59
calcxskoulax: ok09:59
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huwrThe installer should include cfdisk.09:59
da_bon_bonhow do you guys burn CDs ?09:59
calcwith a hot laser09:59
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xskoulaxthx calc10:00
da_bon_boncalc: nice joke :) what app do u use to operate that laser ?10:00
ryan_da_bon_bon: are you looking for a linux app?10:00
da_bon_bonryan_: yes.10:01
calcAA batteries :)10:01
ml267bob2: fyi, I was able to drag and drop the launcher into the nautilus applications folder.  never figured out why it wouldn't just let me create it there from scratch.  *shrugs*10:01
ryan_try k3b...it is included in universe10:01
calcyou can burn stuff with nautilus or k3b10:01
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ryan_with nautilus it is integrated into the file manager (kinda like win xp) whereas with k3b it is more like nero...a program simply for burning cds10:02
xskoulaxYEA calc you rock10:03
da_bon_bonryan_: its ok, but 33 Mb :( i have strict download limit...10:04
da_bon_bonmy cd drive is not detected my most apps since its not scsi, what do i do ? even nautilus doesnt detect it.10:04
huwrda_bon_bon, my CD drive is just ATA and it is detected fine.10:05
huwrah... hrm...10:05
bob2as is mine10:05
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da_bon_bonhuwr: i mean, reading ok, but no writing apps can detect it -> like xcdroast.10:05
da_bon_bonbob2: i mean, reading ok, but no writing apps can detect it -> like xcdroast.10:06
bob2then that app is bugy10:06
da_bon_bonbob2: which app do u use? even nautilus is buggy? :D10:06
bob2I just use cdrecord10:07
bob2but I'm almost certain nautilus has woreked in the past for me10:07
bob2and gcombust10:07
da_bon_bonbob2: do i need to put in a cd inorder that apps will recognize the drive?10:09
melazyboyanyone know a cool gui for wget or httrack that i can suggest to someone?10:16
da_bon_boncan anyone help me with cdrecord? i want to paste output in #flood ...10:17
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ArCHoNKoGstop playing10:22
melazyboythats pretty impresive10:22
melazyboyweb interface to httrack10:22
ArCHoNKoGnorris a linux user10:22
bob2it's obviously not chuck norris10:22
bob2some people just like to take celebrities names for some reason10:22
Chuck-Norrisyou people are real brainiacs10:22
bob2oh, and charming, too10:23
Chuck-Norrisyou figured that out in 1 minute flat10:23
ArCHoNKoGbob2,  you killing the fun on it10:23
ArCHoNKoGbob2, i got it to work gdesklet10:23
da_bon_bonbob2: do i need to put in a cd inorder that apps will recognize the drive?10:23
Karnaughda_bon_bon: the drive is always there but you cant mount it without media10:24
KarnaughI assume auto mount would fail then and your apps wont "recognize" the drive10:24
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bob2da_bon_bon: why don't you just try it?10:24
da_bon_bonKarnaugh: what if i set "auto" in /etc/fstab ?10:24
da_bon_bonbob2: it odesnt work.10:25
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Karnaughda_bon_bon: well its going to try get a file system off the device to mount it, how is it going to do that without a disk10:25
bob2Karnaugh: da_bon_bon is not talking about mounting it10:26
Karnaughbob2: well what else is going to happen when he tries to access a drive?10:26
da_bon_bonKarnaugh: ok. but how do i do this -> i insert the cd, and it gets automatically mounted ?10:26
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bob2Karnaugh: he/she wants to burn cds10:26
bob2da_bon_bon: that should already happen10:26
Karnaughbob2: I'm responding to his question "do i need to put in a cd inorder that apps will recognize the drive?"10:27
da_bon_bonbob2: he. i assume there are very less shes here.10:27
Karnaughand the answer is - obviously10:27
da_bon_bonbob2: no its not happening. can u give me a copy of ur fstab in flood ?10:27
bob2da_bon_bon: yes, but there are some10:27
bob2da_bon_bon: no10:27
bob2fstab is not relevant10:27
bohrbugmy tvcard requires special bttv-module parameters when loading the module. I can get it to work after reboot, but where should I put module parameters so that it'll work on startup?10:27
da_bon_bonbob2: then automounter ?10:27
bob2gnome-volume-manager is in charge of it10:28
da_bon_bonbob2: ok.10:29
da_bon_bonbob2: how do i reconfigure it ?10:30
bob2computer -> desktop prefereces -> removable drives10:30
da_bon_bonbob2: ok, can u please tell me what are ur settings there, so that i can compare; since everything seems to be all right..10:32
bob2mine are the defaults10:32
da_bon_bonbob2: what are he defaults ??10:32
bob2? the default settings.  the ones that were there before you changed them.10:33
da_bon_bonbob2: i never changed any settings...10:33
da_bon_bonbob2: ok, in fstab do u have "auto" or "noauto" in CD-roms ?10:33
da_bon_bon/dev/cdrom ?10:33
bohrbugWhen my bttv modules gets loaded with wrong parameters, how do I force it to be loaded with the correct ones at startup?10:34
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bob2da_bon_bon: as I said, my cdrom isn' in there at all10:37
da_bon_bonbob2: when did u ever say that? anyway, do i set "auto" or "noauto" for cdrom in fstab?10:38
bob219:27:46           bob2 | fstab is not relevant10:40
bob2no, you don't set anything in fstab10:41
da_bon_bonbob2: but "noauto" is already there.10:42
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bob2it doesn't matter, tho10:42
da_bon_bonthen what do i do for automount ?10:44
bob2you don't have it in /etc/fstab at all10:44
da_bon_bonok, but how do i setup automount?10:44
bob2no idea10:45
bob2try asking on the list10:45
da_bon_bonmy cdrom doesnt appear in fstab too10:45
bob2yes, I know10:46
bob2maybe it does need to appear in there10:46
da_bon_bonso, when u insert a cd, it automatically gets mounted? u dont need to goto disks and double click to mount it ?10:48
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da_bon_bonsorry, can u type again, i got disconnected.10:48
da_bon_boni mean, after inserting a cd rom, it automatically gets mounted, right?10:48
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JosipHey everybody , just installed the sshd packages and created the keys (rsa, dsa)11:09
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Josipstarted the sshd daemon , and connected to it via <ssh localhost>11:09
Josipjust to try wheather it's working properly .11:10
Josipbut i don't get the normal u/p prompt .11:10
Josipfor shell logging.11:10
Josipokay, worked now with <ssh user@localhost>11:11
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xskoulaxwhats a good dvd playing software for ubuntu?11:17
huwrI like VLC11:18
huwrIt plays loads of other things, also.11:19
huwrIt probably is in Universe or something.11:19
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xskoulaxi'll try that one out11:21
Josipcan samoeone do me a favor, i mean try to connect to my ssh daemon ?11:21
Josipto check wheather it passes the firewall correctly .11:22
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Josipno-ip.org is down, damned ;-(11:27
Josipno it's not stupid dns problem ;-)11:28
xskoulaxvlc gets my vote huwr its playing the dvd correctly :D11:28
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xskoulaxgn all11:28
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snipes420can someone recommend a cdburning app11:43
DigiKillgood morning....question on Synaptic Package listings : i had to reinstall and now i cant find what i did to get lots of packages listed....11:44
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DigiKillnot i snipes420...i have no burner :(11:44
Josipsnipes420, tried K3b ?11:46
snipes420hmm not yet ;) thank you11:48
snipes420ill look into it11:48
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__danie1how can i (in a nice way) make gcc-3.4 default?12:02
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Josip__danie1, sudo apt-get install build-essential12:08
Josipi think12:08
AstinusHeya:  I'm getting a weird error something like this --> 'dpkg:   amd64 not found remapping table'12:08
__danie1Josip: i do have gcc-3.3 and gcc-3.4 installed, but i don't want to set the symlinks in /usr/bin/ (like g++ myself)12:09
__danie1Astinus: what are you trying to do?12:09
Josipoh ;-)12:09
Astinus__danie1, :  Just general upgrades are definately using AMD64 packages, they show in the filenames, but dpkg keeps giving me that weird error.12:10
Astinus__daniel:  apt-get upgrade ;)12:10
__danie1Astinus: strange12:10
__danie1Astinus: i'm on amd64 too, and i'm fine12:11
Astinus__danie1:  Its a weird error, but upgrades are proceeding fine.  Its something like 'dpkg: warning architecture 'amd64' not found in remapping table'12:11
Astinus__daniel:  I can't be more specific, it scrolled past me about three minutes ago. But it happens a lot.12:12
Astinus__danie1, :  like this error http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/01/msg00729.html but substitute with AMD6412:12
snipes420k3b seems heavy on the kde dependancys. any gnome cd burning apps recommended?12:17
Josiptried sf.net ?12:20
Josipyes, i can't remebmer the app's name .12:21
snipes420no but good answer :)12:21
AstinusCurrent status of reiser4 on AMD64 architecture?12:22
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AstinusOkay, Hoary is officially a good improvement.12:31
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snipes420do you recomend warty users upgrade to hoary?12:32
AstinusProbably not :oP  But then I'm not a developer, ask one of them.12:32
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snipes420i dont use my machine for any thing important. just this :P12:33
snipes420but I hate reinstalling. fsck windows.12:33
AstinusWell there are nodoubt bugs in Hoary :P12:34
AstinusEven a few serious ones will pop up now and again.12:34
snipes420thewre are bugs in warty too12:34
__danielhmmmmm, export CC=gcc-3.4 still doesnt do it12:35
Astinussnipes420:  Aye, but theoretically there could be bugs in Hoary which stop your ubuntu booting :oP12:35
Astinussnipes420:  There aren't many of those in Warty12:35
snipes420true. but my xwindows crashes and I lose all my open windows on a regular basis. like once a day12:35
JosipI am installing mysql , i've tar-ed the archive and copied the directory to /usr/local/mysql12:36
Astinussnipes420: Heh, seriously I'm not the right person to be asking. Unless you feel comfortable messing with bleeding edge, I wouldn't.12:36
snipes420I also have upgraded with univese so I shouldnt complain12:36
Josipadded the mysql group, user etc. and mv /usr/local/mysql/share/fill_help_tables.sql /usr/local/mysql/support-files12:36
Josipbut when i try to execute this script </usr/local/mysql/scripts/mysql_install_db --user=mysql> i get this error <Could not find help file 'fill_help_tables.sql' in ./support-files or inside ..>12:37
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Josipi am logged as root ofcourse .12:37
cerrohi from Madrid12:37
cerrohow i change the system language??12:38
Josipany ideas why this happens ?12:38
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cerroi need change the default language12:40
techn9nehow do you install a .deb file thats downloaded?12:40
__danieltechn9ne: sudo dpkg -i bla.deb12:41
__danielcerro: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales12:41
techn9ne__daniel : thanks12:41
__danielcerro: then add an appropriate locale and set it as default (preferrably something UTF-8)12:41
Josipanybody has ideas about my problem ?12:44
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techn9ne__daniel : .deb didnt install properly . how do i get rid of it . everytime i do antyhing w/ package manager it gives me error.12:46
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__danieltechn9ne: can you be more specific?12:48
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dzon[SK] help apt-get update >>> http://nopaste.php-q.net/10429612:49
techn9neok i downloaded the brother drivers for my printer in .deb12:49
techn9nei did what you said and it gave a bunch of errors12:49
techn9nenow it says : dpkg: error processing mfc4800lpr (--remove):12:50
techn9ne Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should12:50
techn9ne reinstall it before attempting a removal.12:50
techn9neErrors were encountered while processing:12:50
techn9ne mfc4800lpr12:50
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ztonzyhey :)12:50
__danielsudo dpkg --purge mfc4800lpr12:50
techn9nedpkg: error processing mfc4800lpr (--purge):12:51
techn9ne Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should12:51
techn9ne reinstall it before attempting a removal.12:51
techn9neErrors were encountered while processing:12:51
techn9ne mfc4800lpr12:51
dzon[SK] help! apt-get update ERROR >>> http://nopaste.php-q.net/10429612:51
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__danieldzon[SK] : did you try it again? (and: try to be patient)12:52
dzon[SK] athli: prelozis?12:53
athlidzon[SK] : zkousel jsi to znovu? ( zkus byt trpelivy )12:54
athli__daniel: sorry for czech speech, dzon[SK]  has problem with english language12:54
Astinusdzon[SK] : Looks like that repository has a problem, switch to a different one?12:54
athliAstinus: he was tried download these files manual, and it is work. problem is only with apt-get12:55
__danieldzon[SK] : i dont care :-)12:55
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bondzon[SK]  hehe, gprs ;)12:57
techn9nedo i have to manually delte the files it created?12:57
__danieltechn9ne: don't think so, dpkg --purge should take care of it12:57
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techn9neyea that didnt work...12:58
__danielwhat did it say?12:59
housetiertechn9ne when you installed the deb were there any error messages?12:59
techn9neyes it was complaining i didnt have lpd12:59
techn9ne/var/lib/dpkg/info/mfc4800lpr.postrm: line 3: /etc/init.d/lpd: No such file or directory01:00
techn9nedpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 12701:00
techn9nedpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...01:00
techn9ne/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/postrm: line 3: /etc/init.d/lpd: No such file or directory01:00
techn9nedpkg: error processing mfc4800lpr-1.1.2-1.i386.deb (--install):01:00
techn9ne subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 12701:00
dzon[SK] my source.list >>>>>>>>> http://nopaste.php-q.net/10430001:00
techn9ne/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/postrm: line 3: /etc/init.d/lpd: No such file or directory01:00
techn9nedpkg: error while cleaning up:01:00
techn9ne subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 12701:00
housetiertechn9ne and when you installed it?01:00
techn9nethats what it said...01:00
housetierdid you get error messages then too?01:00
techn9neyes i just pasted it01:01
housetierpostrm hints at removal attempt though01:01
techn9necan i open up the .deb file in archiver view the config files find out what it installed remove manually and force to rebuild deb db?01:02
housetiertechn9ne what you can do is edit that postrm script so it will exit successfully01:03
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housetierleave the !#/bin/whatever stuff on the first line and insert "exit 0" on the second line01:04
techn9neit wants lpd is that a alternative to cups?01:04
housetieryou will have to remove the files by hand then01:04
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techn9nethats sure a pain01:04
housetiernot really01:05
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housetieryou can find out which files belong to the .deb and remove them01:05
techn9newhat format is .deb in tar gz?01:05
housetierits .ar01:06
techn9nedo i have to get osmething to open it?01:06
housetierif you have midnight commander installed, you can browse it01:06
techn9newhats midnight commander?01:06
Astinusfile manager01:06
housetiera very good console based file manager01:07
housetierlooks like the old norton commander for dos01:07
techn9newhere can i get it?01:07
housetierfirst you edit the script, so apt-get et al can work again01:08
techn9ne... i cant open the deb01:08
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housetierthen you install it so you can remove those files01:08
housetiertechn9ne /var/lib/dpkg/info/mfc4800lpr.postrm01:08
Josiphow can i add a user with low priviedgies01:08
Josipi man the user can just browse01:08
Josipnothing else .01:08
AstinusJosip:  jailed shell?01:08
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Josiphow to do that01:09
Josipi have installed ssh01:09
Josiprunning well .01:09
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AstinusUhhh, in terms of just letting a user browse I can't think of any easy way01:10
AstinusIIRC a jailed setup would lock them into their directory ..01:11
housetierhave /usr/bin/firefox as login shell or so?01:11
techn9nek i edied the file... ran /var/lib/dpkg/info/mfc4800lpr.postrm01:11
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techn9nei tried uninstalling again didnt work01:11
housetiertechn9ne ok whats the error message?01:12
drspinanyone know where I can find a copy of Cadega or a good CVS install guide for Cadega?01:12
techn9neinconsistent state01:12
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housetiertechn9ne btw I hope this will teach you to blindly install .deb packages from "untrusted" sources ;)01:12
techn9newell it came from brother.com01:13
AstinusJosip:  Maybe you could set mc as the shell, but I dunno if that'd work01:13
housetiertechn9ne well have you tried to reinstall it as suggested?01:13
techn9neits just complainintg because i dont have lpd01:14
techn9nedoes ubuntu have lpd?01:14
housetierit should depend on lpd which it doesn't01:15
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housetierit doesn't depend on anything01:15
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housetiertechn9ne if you are willing we could try to fix the package database by hand01:18
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housetierbut we might not be successful as I haven't done it before01:18
techn9neif we break it we break it i have no option left after this but a clean install of ubuntu01:18
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housetiernah we won't break it01:18
housetierwe will make backups :D01:19
housetieryou downloaded this deb here: http://solutions.brother.com/Library/sol/printer/linux/rpmfiles/lpr_debian/mfc4800lpr-1.1.2-1.i386.deb ?01:19
housetierok lets start with the easy part: removing the files01:20
housetier/usr/bin/brprintconf, /usr/lib/libbrcomplpr.so, /usr/local/Brother/*01:21
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techn9nek done01:22
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housetiertechn9ne ok next one is easy too then it will become more delicat quickly, "cd /var/lib/dpkg"01:23
housetierthere are four files which we might need to touch so we will make backups now: available, available-old, status, status-old01:25
housetierjust cp them to your home dir or so01:25
housetierwell here comes the experiment...01:27
housetieravailable is a very large file, open it in your favorite text editor01:27
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housetierthen search for mfc4800lpr01:28
techn9neopen which file?01:28
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techn9nek i delete that block of text?01:30
housetieronly the mfc4800 part, yes :)01:30
techn9nek done01:31
housetiersave and repeat for "available-old", "status", and "status-old"01:31
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housetierno check the status with "dpkg -l mfc4800lpr"01:33
techn9neno packages found. cool thanks.01:34
housetierok yet another check: "dpkg --audit"01:34
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Lathiatjdub: do you have gnome-phone-manager/gnome-bluetooth packaged for hoary?01:35
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techn9nereturned nothing01:36
housetiertechn9ne it seems the package database is fixed now :)01:36
techn9nehousetier : thanks you rock01:36
techn9nenowq i just gotta figure out how to get the printer working w/o those drivers01:36
housetiermy dpkg-fu is strong01:37
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techn9nethats pretty easy compared to fixing windowws registry problems01:38
techn9neyou can never giure out what the installer did01:38
kebacthere are registry monitors01:39
kebacthey can create you registry files with which you can easily remove changes01:40
kebacand of course you see what the installer did01:40
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CraHananyone know what's up with mono-jit?01:40
kebachmm i am not sure about that01:40
kebacbut everything is free on the "internets"01:41
techn9nenot w/ the MPAA and RIAA shutting down bit torrent01:41
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techn9nei think they want to shut down the technology01:42
drspinwhere can I get xfree86-devel?01:42
kebacyou dont really need torrent or any p2p just to get registry monitor...01:42
Pozacdrspin, It's called xserver-xfree86-dev I think01:43
drspinwill it resolve to sfree86-devel in a dependency check??01:44
Pozacno it's not, sorry01:44
Pozacmy bad01:44
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Pozacdrspin, pardon for just joining in, why do you need it?01:46
drspinbecause I'm going to install cadega CVS as it's free and I need wine01:46
housetiertechn9ne you could try and see if CUPS has support for your printer01:46
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Pozacdrspin, ok, cool :)01:47
drspinso - any ideas where to find it?01:47
drspinyou don't happen to have cadega or codeweavers laying around do you?01:48
PozacI thought they made -dev packages01:48
techn9nehousetier : i got it using a similar modeled printer01:48
techn9nemfc-8600 driver01:48
drspinthe winein Synaptic doesn't work - it crashes...01:48
drspinwinein=wine in01:48
Pozacdrspin, I think it's xlibs-dev like housetier said.01:49
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Pozacdrspin, you have the build-essential package ?01:49
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techn9neive been using ubuntu for a few weeks now. very nice cant wait to dump rhel and put debian on my server.01:50
techn9nedealing w/ stupid rhel liscence and password issues and i didnt get that php update in time and i got hacked01:51
Pozacdrspin, there's no xlibs-dev ?01:54
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drspinare the search query revealed xlibs-dev01:56
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guyttdihello, greetings every1. hope i'm not breaking any rules of this channel by asking... any ubuntu user from Malaysia here?01:58
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anttigreetings from ubuntu, which isn't working now...02:02
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BuffaloSoldiergreetings antti02:02
anttiMy graphics card can't make bigger than 1024x768 and ubuntu is trying bigger resolution02:03
anttiso when x starts, the screen goes black02:03
Friczymbr package is not in the main section. Can I consider it as a bug?02:03
anttiwhere can I change which resolution gdm/gnome/x uses?02:03
Friczyantti: perhaps dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 helps you02:03
BuffaloSoldiertry "gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" at the terminal02:04
BuffaloSoldierinside the XF86Config-4 file is a list of the modes your xserver is set to run02:04
anttithanks for your help02:05
anttiI'll go and see does it help02:05
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drspinconfigure: error: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a is present on your system.02:07
drspinThis prevents linking to OpenGL. Delete the file and restart configure.02:07
drspinnever seen anything like this before02:08
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drspindo I just delete it ? ?02:08
drspin(rename it really)02:08
Friczydrspin: you'd better backup it02:09
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Friczywhat do you want to compile?02:09
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Friczyrename it and try again. you won't lose anything if it doesnt succeed02:11
Friczyperhaps it has its own GL development library02:11
drspinI don't believe it does -- it seems to be working02:12
drspinthe configure script I mean02:12
Friczyyes. the question is: will the program work with the installed gl lib? :)02:13
drspin?!? hope so02:13
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drspinconfigre and make depend done :)02:13
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netmonkon one partition I have suse, what should i use in ubuntu to format the partition?02:24
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snipes420netmonk: do you have a spare partition? or a windows partition you are going to reformat?02:30
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netmonksnipes420, i have windows xp, suse and Ubuntu. on different paritions, same hdd. I want to remove the suse02:32
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drspinits compiling :D02:33
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kentnetmonk, use mkfs.ext3,  think its in /sbin/   (/sbin/mkfs.ext3 /dev/partition )02:36
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jonohi all02:40
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jonoI am upgrading to hoary and switch my sources.list to point to hoary - when I do the dist-upgrade it complains it cant overwrite a .desktop file in kdelibs-data which is already in openoffice.org-mimelnk - I removed the file but it does not fix the error - any idea how to solve this?02:43
netmonkthanks, kent02:43
jonoany clues?02:44
kentjono, you can temporarly remove openoffice?  (im no ubuntu-developer, but i would personly do that.02:44
jonokent, I tried to remove kde and openoffice and get unmet dependencies02:45
kentjono, try "apt-get remove openoffice.org-minelnk" then?  apt will remove all that has dependency problems. You can install them later again02:46
jonosame problem kent02:47
drspinmake install :)02:47
Riddelljono: sudo dpkg --install --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-minelnk*02:47
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jonoRiddell, looks like it is back on now, thanks :D02:50
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jonois X.org included in the dist-upgrade to hoary? it wasnt a few months back for ppc02:52
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jonoit seems to have hung on portmap now02:54
jonoit is preparing to replace portmap and is rather silent02:54
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jonooh it carries on02:54
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micolousnvidia drivers are having issues.  I'm getting the error Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". whenever trying to start a GLX program.  This seems to be ever since the current nvidia drivers are out, currently running hoary, all packages are up to date.02:57
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micolousaccording to the xorg logs, GLcore and glx are missing.02:58
micoloushovever glx works fine when i use the nv driver, and use mesa software rendering.02:58
spacey`kidoes anyone here have an idea how to fix the problem of no sound in totem and xine? i do have sound in rhytembox (running hoary)03:04
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rwabel_spacey: do you have alsa?03:10
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spacey`kirwabel_, dunno03:14
spacey`kididn't change anything about it so i guess its what ubuntu set it03:15
micolousspacey, try running the program gstreamer-properties, and changing the default sink, then testing it.03:15
spacey`kimicolous, it seems to work when i kill esd03:17
micolousthen esd is preventing xinelib access to the soundcard03:17
micoloustry going into xine's settings and telling it to use esd (starting esd again first, of course)03:18
rwabel_well updating to alsa could also be a solution. works well and you have multiple sounds then03:18
micolousiirc, ubuntu will use alsa by default03:19
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rwabel_micolous: well for me alsa was not yet working03:20
rwabel_micolous: I had to change stuff to make it work03:20
micolousi remember changing the default sink on my mum's computer to fix issues like what spacey is describing03:21
micolousunfortuntely her computer is off, and she's asleep... so it's inconvienient to check it.03:21
spacey`kimicolous, it seems that after i killed and restarted esd it suddenly worked03:21
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micolousrather odd... oh well, brb, gonna have another go with the older nvidia driver.03:22
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spacey`kiwell probably because i set audio.driver:esd in totem_config03:22
spacey`kixine still doesn't work03:22
spacey`kibut i can watch movies03:24
spacey`kiso that cools03:24
drspindid I just see that ubuntu uses ALSA or OSS?03:28
Marianitutheoricaly under 2.6 it's alsa?03:28
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mercurusdrspin, Ubuntu uses kernel 2.6.8-1 by default, and that includes the ALSA drivers03:28
mercurusOSS drivers are available, but will break GNOME 2.8 to some extent ... unless there is a REALLY compelling reason to use OSS, use ALSA.03:29
rwabel_mercurus: so when you installed ubuntu for example in xmms you took alsa as output?03:29
mercurusrwabel_, I have run xmms through ALSA, OSS (which is actually OSS-emulation, a part of ALSA) and through esd, which is holding a device open ...03:30
mercurusesd for preference, if that fails, ALSA ...03:30
rwabel_mercurus: for me alsa never worked, then I modified some stuff and now it's working. I always had to use OSS03:31
mercurus"some stuff" ?03:31
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rwabel_w8t I just gonna tell you, don't know it by heart03:33
lavacheune personne peu maider svp03:33
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rwabel_I found this howto: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=888203:34
rwabel_lavache: c'est koi le problem?03:34
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lavachej'ai instaler linux ubuntu et je voudrai mettre internet mai la seul connection que j'ai c un modems usb03:36
Pozaclavache, this is an english channel.03:36
rwabel_lavache? t'as dsl?03:36
rwabel_pozac: so people aren't allowed to talk in french or another language?03:36
sjoerdrwabel_: it's considered very rude if you do that03:37
cat_and_foxhi all.i've installed warty,but cant get my ati card to work with xfree with any proper driver(ati,radeon,fglrx)but the vesa one gets X up,in a slow crappy res03:37
sjoerdrwabel_: there is ubuntu-fr for discussions in french03:37
rwabel_lavache: avant l'installation il t'a demande pour la carte ethernet et si tu veuc dhcp etc03:37
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Pozacrwabel_, would you like me talking danish here then?03:37
Pozachey shampoo03:37
cat_and_foxcan I get xorg installed from haory? i tried but i lose ubuntu-desktop,most of gnome, etc etc03:37
rwabel_pozac: yes03:37
rwabel_sjoerd: didn't know that. okay.03:37
shampoowhen ubuntu boots, it only sees 885megs of RAM but I have 1024. Any ideas why and how to fix that?03:37
rwabel_pozac: well if you tallk to someone I don't mine. if you talk to others, well not very good ;-)03:38
rwabel_pozac: btw I like danish03:38
lavacheon na tous fai mai le problem il fo que je entre mon login et mon pass03:38
rwabel_lavache: okay we have to continue in english...where you have to enter that what login pass? what kind of dsl do you have exactely?03:39
Pozacrwabel_, just go in french03:39
drspinhow do I get my System tray back?03:39
lavachefrench moi pas english03:39
rwabel_pozac: right, didn't even know that there is one in german03:39
cat_and_foxcan I get xorg installed from haory? i tried but i lose ubuntu-desktop,most of gnome, etc etc03:40
Olivier_54i scuze for lavache he do not speak english03:40
cat_and_foxany ideas, anyone?03:40
rwabel_lavache: il faut changer le forum. va dans #ubuntu-fr et je peux t'aider03:40
rwabel_so last time in french, so he know where to go03:40
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Pozacshampoo, try adding mem=1024M to your grub kernel line03:41
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Pozacshampoo, that should tell the kernel that there is a full gig03:41
shampooPozac i have: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz- root=/dev/hda2 mem=1024M ro quiet splash03:42
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Pozacshampoo, humm.. very strange that doesnt work :(03:42
shampooPozac, and I rebooted and it still sees 88503:42
pippoalhello, i've a little problem with sound. i've a sound blaster live, all ok with emu10k1. but when i start for ex. an mp3 i dont listen nothing. if i run gnome mixer i see all "blocked". if i unblock all, nothing03:42
shampooit's bizaare03:43
Pozacshampoo, very03:43
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Pozacshampoo, what kind of computer is it?03:44
shampooPozac, thinkpad03:44
Pozacshampoo, ok.. shared memory graphics card perhaps?03:45
shampooPozac, ie i dunno ;-)03:46
Pozacshampoo, does Windows find a gigabyte?03:46
shampooPozac, is there a way I can find out ?03:46
shampooPozac, yes03:46
Pozacshampoo, the BIOS.. F1 i think after shutdown -> turn on03:46
Pozac(my X21 only gives that option after it has been powered off)03:47
shampooPozac, what am i turning on ?03:47
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Pozacshampoo, just look around and see if there is any mention of a like a shared amount or anything03:48
shampooPozac, ok03:48
shampooPozac, i'll give that a try, thanks so much for your help..03:48
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Pozacshampoo, maybe the opening, informal screen03:48
shampooPozac, k03:48
Pozacor in on of the subscreens, as a setting03:49
shampooPozac, brb03:49
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pippoalhmm nobody had problems with sound blaster live?03:50
ubuntu_userwhat packages i need to install k3b with no problems???03:50
pippoalmy system recognize it, but if i run an mp3 i dont listen nothing.03:50
sladenubuntu_user: sudo apt-get install k3b03:50
sladenpippoal: your SB Live is fine.  Mp3 playing has issues03:51
ubuntu_usersladen, yes and... k3b not run propretly...03:51
sladenpippoal: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats03:51
pippoalsladen, thanks03:51
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bonso no mp3 with xmms?03:52
sladenubuntu_user: Ubuntu's APT does depenancies automatically--everything you need will be installed;  are you experiencing a different problem?03:52
sladenbon: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats03:52
boni read the part about mp303:52
bonnothing about xmms mentioned03:52
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crocusdoes it ubuntu have KDE?03:53
sladencrocus: if you install it.  However out of the box, Ubuntu is providing you the *best* desktop possible;  and in that end, nothing KDE related is installed by default ;-)03:54
pippoalsladen, no my problem is not this one, i've rhythmbox and gstreamer installed. my problem i think is into mixer, if i run it i see all "blocked".03:54
ubuntu_usersladen, when run k3b it say that dcop server is not running, and when i run k3b as a normal user he not reconeze my cdrw, only as cdrom. i tried to run k3bsetup change setting but the error persistes..03:54
crocushuttan, can KDE be installed in the first installation or after?03:54
huttancrocus, i think it comes with the cd, atleast for warty03:54
sladenpippoal: get the startup output by typing    dmesg   and see if you can see any errors related to sound03:55
Pozacwarty = ubuntu03:55
crocussladen, what do you mean? does *best* desktop conflict with KDE?03:55
crocussladen, so gnome is installed by default?03:55
pippoalsladen, no nothing, alsa start without problem :(03:55
pippoali listen always sound when my gnome desktop run03:56
huttancrocus, booth gnome and kde03:56
crocusok. are there any package list in warty site, I want to see what pkgs it has03:57
sladencrocus: Ubuntu out of the box is focused on GNOME.  The packages for KDE are all there in  universe  if you wish to install them03:58
sladencrocus: eg.  apt-get install k3b03:58
crocussladen, out of the box? what does it mean?03:58
sladencrocus: default install03:58
sladencrocus: you know, the CD with the naked people on the front03:58
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mercurus"risk management" = covering your arse03:59
crocussladen, I see. I think the 3 ppl should be make into 5. you know the Olympic Circules.04:00
crocusshould be an Asian there04:00
PozacThey should be localized04:01
sladencrocus: yes probably.  In this particular case, the people doing the photo-shoot are based in South Africa and the models are all African'04:01
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crocuswhy warty favors Gnome over KDE?04:02
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sladencrocus: I've heard the suggestion else where too, perhaps it would be worth sending an email to the  sounder  list with that suggestion?04:02
Pozaccrocus, If you try it you will know.04:02
sladencrocus: Ubuntu ships GNOME, because Ubuntu is trying to *provide the best desktop*04:03
etorixi much prefer kde or xfce4 over gnome04:03
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=== Pozac wonders how you can not totally love Gnome
etorix i hate gnome04:04
PozacEspecially with the human themes :)~04:04
sladenetorix: you'll be glad to know that you are free to install whichever you feel most comfortable with;  I'm sure you'll also be interested to know that some people are working on a 'Kubuntu' derivitive based on Ubuntu with a good KDE default04:05
crocus_jigdo means?04:05
etorixive bin to #kubuntu04:05
crocus_sladen, when wll kubuntu come out?04:05
etorixfairly quiet04:05
sladenetorix: in the meantime you can just apt-get install kde if you wish04:05
rwabel_etorix: xfce works very well under ubuntu04:05
sladencrocus_: don't know.  Have you followed etorix's suggestion and asked on #kubuntu ?04:05
rwabel_sladen: does it really work well with apt-get install kde? I heard there are some problems. I never tried04:06
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Pozac<- not up for it04:06
etorixhmm .. im gonna wait till my hardware clock is recognised and nvidia is working in hoary to do another install04:06
crocus_jigdo means? it is the installation CD?04:06
sladenetorix: can you describe your hardware-clock problems?04:07
etorixits not seen at bootup04:07
crocus_why i386 optimized? not i686? a real difference?04:07
Pozaci386 matches more CPU's04:07
sladenetorix: the hardware clock is a fundemental part (one of the simplist) parts of a PeeCee system.  Not much works without one04:07
Pozaci686 is pentium II and up04:07
sladencrocus_: it is i686 optimized04:08
ubuntu_usersladen, and ...04:08
etorixsladen .. exactly04:08
sladenubuntu_user: the packages are built with i486 instructions (to work on all processors) but with PIII/PIV optimisation04:09
etorixits not found by any of the known methods it said04:09
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sladenetorix: can you paste me the error message you're seeing and file a bug on  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/04:10
etorixerm .. no04:10
etorix ive deleted it04:10
sladenetorix: type  'dmesg'04:10
etorix it was my test partition and im currently testing kanotix6404:11
Pozacway to bug for support then04:11
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sladenetorix: it's hard to fix any bugs people might be having if people don't file a bug about the problem...04:11
etorixdid i ask for support?04:11
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sladenetorix: you said "im gonna wait till my hardware clock is recognised"04:12
Pozac(Implied in 'I'm not going to install hoary till [..] ')04:12
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Pozacdamn split04:12
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intinig_I connected a USB drive to a usb port. Why isn't it recognized? It works fine on other computers and other usb drives work fine with this box04:12
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Pozacintinig, any error messages?04:12
sladennah, not a split---he left yo avoid the embarassment of having to answer that question ;-)04:12
intinig_Pozac, nothing, as if it isn't recognized04:12
Pozacsladen, Some people :)04:13
intinig_Pozac, should I check syslog?04:13
Pozacintinig, dmesg04:13
sladenintinig_:   sudo tail -f /var/log/messages04:13
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Pozacintinig, like the last line after you insert it :)04:13
sladenintinig_: and what happens when you plug/remove04:13
intinig_looks like it recognized it04:13
Pozacor do what sladen said :)04:13
sladenintinig_: is  gnome-volume-manager running?04:13
sladenintinig_: sudo ps aux | grep [v] olume04:14
intinig_sladen, ps ax | grep gnome-volume-manager is empty04:14
PozacWell if other drives work it should be running?04:14
Pozaccan you mount it manually?04:14
crocus_does warty use its own repositories or deibans?04:15
intinig_Pozac, it worked last time I check. And today I made a big apt-dest dist-upgrade04:15
crocus_and the pkg format is .deb?04:15
sladenintinig_: what happens if you try running it04:15
Pozaccrocus, its own04:15
intinig_s/I check/I checked04:15
Pozacintinig, hmm ok04:15
intinig_synaptics sais gnome-volume-manager is uninstalled04:15
sladencrocus_: Ubuntu uses .deb and has it's own package archive which is most of Debian recompiled.  Please don't mix packages04:16
Pozacwell thats the tool that mounts your drives for you :)04:16
sladenintinig_: urm, er.04:16
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crocus_when will Hedgehog be released?04:16
intinig_could it be that it god uninstalled in some dist-upgrade?04:16
Pozacintinig, did you uninstall ubuntu-desktop ?04:18
intinig_now I see the drive but nautilus says I don't have the right permission to read it04:18
intinig_Pozac, yes when xorg broke some days ago04:18
Pozaccrocus, April04:19
Pozaccrocus, www.ubuntulinux.org04:19
intinig_pozac I'm reinstalling it04:19
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intinig_and then rebooting04:19
Pozacyeah, try that04:19
Pozacnot sure it's needed.. it just  makes sure all you need is there04:19
intinig_cya in a couple of minutes04:20
Pozacgtg soon so hurry04:20
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crocus__I just get warty-release-install-i386.iso  to start install? I am using a amd Tbird CPU04:21
Pozaccrocus, yes04:21
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crocus__last question, do I need a lot of manual configuration after installation? or it is rather automatic?04:22
crocus__I mean soundcard, bootsplah, numlock status, fstab partition etc..04:23
Pozaccrocus__, unless you want to order some free cds from http://www.shipit.ubuntulinux.org/ :)04:23
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drspinOMG my panel just disappeared!!!!!!! I clicked the hide button and I watched it run right off the screen!!!!04:24
Pozaccrocus__, soundcard - maybe, bootsplash needs a self compiled kernel, numlock is auto, fstab is auto :)04:24
drspinnow how do I get it back?04:24
Pozacdrspin, OFF?04:24
crocus__Pozac, reisf4 or reiserfs?04:25
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Pozaccrocus__, no reiser4 i think04:25
cat_and_foxanybody know how i can get Xorg on warty? I get errors saying something like "Display already started on :0"04:25
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drspinPozac: yes!!! it was the weirdest thing EVER!04:26
crocus__any screen shots of ubuntu?04:26
codemarauderHello everyone04:26
Pozaccrocus__, http://ubuntuguide.org/04:26
Pozaccrocus__, google is your friend04:26
Pozacdrspin, ALT-F2 killall gnome-panel04:27
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drspinPozac :) thanks!04:28
drspinoooh a bug! it did it again! :)04:28
Pozacdrspin, if you can reproduce it, file a bug04:28
Pozacfile a bug04:28
drspingnome or ubuntu?04:28
Pozachoary I think04:29
drspinaye - ok04:29
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Pozacalthough it looks like a gnome bug04:29
Pozacbetter let someone who knows look at it :)04:29
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crocus__can I configure which pkg to install or it just install very thing gnome in the disk?04:30
Pozaccrocus__, http://ubuntuguide.org/ !!!04:30
drspinCrocus: if you are using a package manager - it will automatically handle your dependency issues04:30
drspinthanks takes a super-long time... sigh=yawn04:31
Pozacok here sigh=lame  :)04:31
drspinheh - that too at times ;)04:32
Pozacdrspin, I recommend ubuntu-calendar-december on your desktop background while you wait04:32
crocus__thanks guy.04:33
drspino_0 that's pretty ;)04:34
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drspinDo you know of a good photo album for linux?04:34
drspinnot KDE!04:35
drspinor Kapps04:35
Pozacdrspin, try gthumb04:35
Pozacit has camera integration and stuff :)04:35
drspinthat comes in the base install of unbuntu yes?04:36
drspinaye it does04:36
drspinheh - I think it's going to do --04:37
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drspinnow if only iTunes...04:43
PozacMusic Player in Applications -> Multimedia04:44
drspinbut show promise...04:44
Pozacgstreamer0.8-mad ?04:45
Pozacor do you just not like it?04:45
drspinno ID3 editing -- searching sucks -- no support for AAC04:45
PozacI'm not a user myself tho04:45
PozacI use xmms :)04:46
drspinheh XMMS is very simple - but how do I manage my library??04:46
Pozacit's just files anyway04:46
drspinI didn't use iTuned because it was pretty -- I used it because it allowed me to manage my music library easier than anyone else04:46
Pozacthere are ID3 editors that can set ID3 tags by filename and vice versa04:47
Pozacok ok04:47
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Pozacit's just files anyway04:47
Pozacso they're just in folders04:47
Pozacby artist and album name04:47
drspinLOL - yup but my library is so large that there's no searching through folders --04:48
drspinover 6000 MP3 and at least half that AAC ;)04:48
housetieronly thing that makes itunes "superior" to other apps is its integration with the ipod...04:48
Pozacand maybe also the music buying thing04:48
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housetierdrspin how did you manage before?04:48
drspinno way - I didn't say iTunes was a superior application - I said that it made managing my music library easier than any other application that I have tried... it does have it's downsides04:49
drspinbefore iTunes my music collection never peaked far above 250 - 300 songs so they were all in 1 folder with no ID3 information04:50
drspineven if I could find just a kickass library manager I would be stoked04:51
housetiermy kickass library manager is "rm"04:52
housetierI only have mp3 I like04:52
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drspinhousetier: heh maybe that's what I should consider04:53
drspinperhaps GTKpod is my answer :/04:53
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drspinit appears that the addition of GTKpod and RhythmBox would yield something pretty close to what I'm looking for...04:55
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drspincould someone please explain linux fonts to me?04:59
Josiphey everybody, i've followed this guide to install php mysql and apache on my ubuntu pc < http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3657&highlight=php >04:59
Josipbut when i try to get a .php / .php3 file i get the download window05:00
Josipi've configured httpd.conf .05:00
tswJosip: have you restarted apache after the configuration05:00
Josipyes, ofcourse e.05:00
Josipi even killall'ed httpd ;-)05:01
Josipi think that apache hasn't got the php extension.05:01
Josipthe tutorial is kinda stupid .05:01
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Josipdrspin, trying to install ttf ? :)05:02
Josipany ideas why this happens ? thanks05:03
drspinjosip: ok sure - that's a start - where do I put fonts... where do I get fonts... what TYPE of fonts can I use?05:04
Josipwell for ttf fonts, apt-get would be very helpful05:05
Josipor Synaptic, however05:05
housetierthere be many a fonts packages...05:06
Josipi can't remember the package name , wait a second .05:06
housetierJosip do you need php5?05:08
x4mIs there any plan to use syslog-ng on Ubuntu ?05:08
Josipsudo apt-get install msttcorefonts05:08
Josipwell , i develop a little php, php5 has much more improvements05:08
Josipon example, the new OOP05:08
Josipa lot of new functions which make the coding much easier ;-)05:09
drspinit's installed -05:10
Josipthe msttcorefonts package ?05:10
drspinI have a CD ith over 500 fonts on it...05:10
drspincan I just copy them over?>05:10
housetierJosip are you sure the php module is loaded by apache2?05:10
Josipcd /media/cdrom005:10
drspinIs there a font manager in GNOME?05:10
housetierI have something like this in my apache log when it starts up: [Sun Dec 26 16:28:58 2004]  [notice]  Apache/2.0.52 (Debian GNU/Linux) DAV/2 SVN/1.1.1 PHP/4.3.10-2 mod_ruby/1.2.4 Ruby/1.8.2(2004-12-23) configured -- resuming normal operations05:11
Josipmkdir /usr/share/fonts/ttf05:11
Josipcd /media/cdrom0 (depends on the cdrom)05:11
Josipcp *.ttf /usr/share/fonts/ttf05:11
Josipcd /usr/share/fonts/ttf05:11
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Josipbut remember to do a <sudo -s> first05:12
housetierI have that in the error log tbh05:12
TycheWho do I suggest a bug/fix to?05:13
JosipTyche, www.ubuntuforums.com05:13
JosipTyche, www.ubuntuforums.org05:14
Josipthe second one ;-)05:14
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housetierJosip what does your apache (error) log say when you start apache?05:14
Josipreinstalled php, same problem again05:15
Josipno error .05:15
Josipinstead of the processed page, i get its source .05:15
housetierdoes it say something like my apache does?05:15
housetierlike I pasted a few lines above05:16
Josiphmm i'll browse the logs, brb .05:16
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housetierits just 6 lines!05:16
housetier10 maybe05:16
Josipno error logs .05:16
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Josipit seems that i'm gonna solve this problem tomorrow, gotta go guys .05:17
Josipsee ya05:17
JosipMay The Ubuntu Force Stay With You ! ;-)05:18
housetier*sigh* 'tis a difficult world we live in05:18
housetierpeople shouldn't ask for help when they don't have time</rant>05:18
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anirhello guys05:21
anirhow are you all05:21
anirwell will ubuntu run on a 64 bit processor???05:23
sjoerdanir: yes05:24
anirokay.. what what about the softwares i am using now??05:24
anirjoin #ubuntu-flame05:24
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aniranyways leave it..05:25
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galderhola Potajito05:30
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drspinso I just installed XMMS using Synaptic05:40
drspinit didn't add it to any of my menus so I went to my console and typed "xmms &"05:40
drspincole@linux:~ $ libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory05:40
drspinInconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!05:40
ArCHoNKoGdrspin, restart X05:40
drspinwhat will restarting X do?05:41
ArCHoNKoGit will be in the menu05:41
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drspinwhat about just restarting the panels?05:42
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ArCHoNKoGdo has what you wish05:42
ArCHoNKoGi just tried to help05:42
drspinI appreciate it - I'm asking -- if I just restart the panels will it work... or do I have to restart X05:42
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ArCHoNKoGrestart X05:43
drspinok thanks05:43
ArCHoNKoGalt -crlt - backspace05:43
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ArCHoNKoGanyone here able to play wma files on xmms ?05:46
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ArCHoNKoGguess not05:47
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aniri cant install java05:48
ArCHoNKoGauir follow the unoffical howto by wiki05:48
aniri have downloaded it but dont know how to install it05:48
drspinXMMS still doesn't load -05:48
ArCHoNKoGdrspin, did you upgrade your packages05:49
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anirhey when i type 'su' and type my password its not accepting it..????05:49
elvirolohi all!05:49
drspinArch: yes05:49
tswanir: try sudo su05:49
elvirolois it possible to get clanlib0.7 for hoary (apart from compiling from source) ?05:49
dseomntsw: why not sudo -s -H?05:49
tswdseomn: that works also05:50
ArCHoNKoGdrspin, sure ?05:50
anirtsw cool now its working.. is it different in ubuntu??05:50
tswsudo su was the first I learnd :)05:50
drspinyou want me to upgrade ALL my packages?05:50
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tswanir: see the dseomn answer also05:50
anirtsw: thank you05:50
ArCHoNKoGanir, http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre05:50
ArCHoNKoGthats fo you05:50
anirtsw what is dseomn??05:51
tswanir: su tries to login as root and sudo is a wrapper that allows to run commands05:51
tswas root05:51
dseomnanir: me05:51
tswwhy not sudo -s -H?05:51
elvirolono idea about clanlib?05:51
tswdseomn: btw what does the -H do?05:51
tsw(too lasy to read the man page :)05:51
dseomntsw: changes $HOME, $SHELL, and other env vars05:52
tswdseomn: ok thanks05:52
elvirolothanks anyway...05:52
dseomnanir: dseomn is a mix of dem (my initials) and son (Some Other Nerd), my nickname05:52
anirdseomn: what will sudo -s -h do??05:52
rodwhy not just opening a root terminal05:53
JoRockhi I'm new to the gnome gui - is there a way I can make it less proc intensive, you know features I could turn off or something?05:53
dseomnanir: it's -H not -h, and I just explained it: 'tsw: changes $HOME, $SHELL, and other env vars'05:53
ubuntu_useranyone install one HP all-in-one in ubuntu???05:53
dseomnanir: sorry, I misunderstood you, it opens a root shell without the extra su process05:54
anirdseomn: thankx05:55
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TopDogHi. If I install the linux-686 kernel through Synapic... do I need to change anything else? Like Grub?05:56
dseomnTopDog: it automagically reconfigures grub05:56
TopDogOK.... is it safe? Don't want to mess up this install now... I have an AMD +240005:57
ArCHoNKoGTopDog, it does it for you05:57
ArCHoNKoGTopDog,  dude you good to go just restart so it can take affect05:57
TopDogCool... thanks!05:57
rodthats one we will never see again for sure05:58
anirdseomn: i have installed java from www.java.com and i am follwing the procedure to install it as given on the site.. but its not working.05:59
ArCHoNKoGhas anyone here play wma files on xmms05:59
anirdseomn: can u help me??05:59
TopDogMaking jokes on my behalf? you bastard ;-)05:59
ArCHoNKoGi will give you a link ok05:59
anirArCHoNKoG: yes05:59
ArCHoNKoGfollow what it says ok05:59
dseomnanir: install java? I wasn't really following the thread.06:00
anirArCHoNKoG: i have installed the plugin..06:00
mannsmatfor which brwoser anir?06:00
ArCHoNKoGanir that not the plugin06:00
anirmannsmat: firefox06:00
ArCHoNKoGread that06:01
anirArCHoNKoG: but when i type the commands to run jre.. it says already installed06:01
ArCHoNKoGjust  reaad that man06:01
ArCHoNKoGi did it last night06:01
ArCHoNKoGit worked06:01
ArCHoNKoGso read the howto and your fine06:01
mannsmatanit: did you made a symlink of libjavaplugin_oji.so in your firefox/plugin folder?06:02
anirArCHoNKoG: it showing my version is 2.3.2.so06:02
occyhey guys, what's up?06:02
anirmannsmat: no06:03
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occykinda tired :)06:03
ArCHoNKoGanir, don't worry just replace it with the one you have06:03
mannsmatso in tis case your browser is not ale to display java related websites06:03
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occyrod: haha06:03
mannsmatanir: read this pls -- http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html#Java06:04
occyrod: fitgeek.org <-- there are some couch-to-run programs06:04
anirmannsmat: okay06:04
rodhey thanks occy06:04
occyrod: I lost 40lbs last year.06:05
rodi read you did 21 miles before? lol06:05
occyrod: hehe, yah. I'm trying to do my Marathon ( 26.2miles )06:05
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anirmannsmat: can u tell me how will i create a symbolic link??06:05
rodcool, great respect from me for you occy _o_06:06
occyanyone know about hsf modems?06:06
mannsmatthe command is : ln -s06:06
aniroccy: well done.. nice new year gift to urself06:06
occyrod: anyone can do it, it just takes work.06:06
occyanir: tx bud ;)06:06
occyrod: I started out barely able to run 1 mile.06:06
anirmannsmat: ln -s for me??06:06
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anirmannsmat: it says missing file argument06:07
occyso I've gone from not being able to run 1 mile to running 21 miles this past Sunday.06:07
occy(that was the first of the year last year)06:07
mannsmatsure you have to include the path ;-)06:07
mannsmatwait anir06:07
occyI really don't want to have to buy the  linuxant hsf drivers.06:08
anirmannsmat: i am waiting06:08
mannsmatmy libjavaplugin_oji.so is located here06:08
ubuntu_userHP all-in-one work in ubuntu???06:09
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mannsmatmy install locaton of firefox is /usr/local/firefos1.006:09
mannsmatanir: what you have to do as root is:06:09
mannsmatln -s /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_06/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so  /usr/local/firefox1.0/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so06:10
anirmannsmat: i will just copy and paste it??06:11
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mannsmatehhhhmmmm :-\ check at first your install location of java and firefox and correct if neccessary the path of the commend06:12
anirmannsmat: is your location is the default one??06:12
mannsmatnot for firefox06:13
ubuntu_userhumm, I need to buy HP All-in-one, it works, with all functions on ubuntu????06:13
occyhey guys, what's a good tool to setup dial-up stuff under gnome?06:13
occyI want EASY ;)06:13
occynot like the olden days in 96' when I'd have to edit the stupid ppp scripts06:14
occyIt's been eons since I've messed with dial-up under Linux06:14
mannsmatubuntu_user: Ubuntu use CUPS ... like other linux distries, so - no matter.06:15
anirmannsmat: do u know where does firefox gets install by default?06:15
mannsmatchecke here if your printer is supported:http://www.linuxprinting.org/06:15
mannsmatanir: dont now if you installed the script install-version of firefox or the scriptless06:16
anirmannsmat: i got it by default with ubuntu..06:16
mannsmatOhhhh ... I understand ... sorry06:17
mannsmatehmmm I had removed this version and installed the current 1.006:17
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mannsmatwhat says locate firefox?06:17
anirokay..so how to go about that.. is it autu installed??06:17
mannsmatanir: no I did follow steps06:18
mannsmatdownloaded the current version of firefox from www.mozilla.org06:18
anirit says no such file or directory mannsmat06:18
ubuntu_usermannsmat, yes an scanning functions an fax functions??06:19
mannsmatremoved old installed firefox version and installed the new one06:19
anirhow will i remove the previous one???06:19
mannsmatapt-get remove06:20
mannsmator Computer---Systemconfiguration---Synaptic06:20
anirmannsmat : plz give me the full command.."sudo apt-get remove firefox??"06:20
mannsmatyes try it pls06:21
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anirsays couldnot find package firefox??06:21
cenerentolaciao a tutti..06:22
cenerentolasome big problems:06:22
Blackwellisn't there an entry for "file manager" per default in the "applications" menu?06:22
mannsmatok has a different name06:22
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cenerentola1) after having installed ubuntu on a pc, at "grub.time" after having chosen ubuntu's entries, it gives and error about stage1/stage206:23
anirmannsmat: how will i know it??06:23
cenerentolawhat's the problem?06:23
Blackwellcenerentola: unable to provide the error message?06:23
mannsmatanir: gnome panel you see a "computer menu", right?06:23
mannsmatthe systemconfiguraton06:24
aniri am in synaptic mannsmat06:24
cenerentolaBlackwell: give me a sec06:24
bobmepiscenerentola : che problema hai? non ti parte la distribuzione ?06:24
mannsmatclick on search and enter firefox06:25
aniroh its called mozilla-firefox06:25
mannsmatok great06:25
aniri will remove it??06:25
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mannsmatmake sure that you have the new firefox present before removing06:25
cenerentola"Error 6: Mismatched or corrupt version of stage1/stage2"06:25
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anirso i will download first then remove mannsmat06:26
mannsmatbetter it is ;-)06:26
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mannsmatwith wich browser do you want to browse after removing ;-)06:26
anirah its epiphany mannsmat06:27
mannsmatahhh ok ... its not installed on my system06:27
cenerentolaother thing... after having installed ubuntu on another pc where windows was already installed...06:28
Blackwelldoes anyone know how to enable the tree view in nautilus?06:28
cenerentolaat grub.time after chosing the "window"'s entry it just prompted grub commads like : savedefault... and nothing more06:28
anirits a nice and  small one but not as good as mozilla06:28
the--dudwhats the gamma correction utility called in gnome?06:29
cenerentolaBlackwell: options... 2 page... check the thing about browsing06:29
mannsmatanir: thats right06:29
anirmannsmat: can i install two diff distros of linux with windows??06:29
cenerentolaanir: yes.06:29
mannsmatyeppyou can06:29
cenerentolacan someone help me with those problems?06:30
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mannsmatif you have enought space on your hd06:30
anirso wats the procedure?? install windows first then linux??06:30
Blackwellcenerentola: there is only "Preferences", in that there is no entry refering to browsing, it seems.06:30
Blackwellanir: typically06:30
anirwell can i install linux then windows???06:30
cenerentolaunder behaviour -> always open in browsing windows..06:31
cenerentolaor sth like that..06:31
mannsmatyou can ...but windows overwriting your MBR06:31
cenerentolamine is in italian.06:31
Blackwellanir: then you will have to manually get your linux install bootable somehow. you can use ntldr (windows' boot manager) to somehow do that, but basically, at that point...you have no access to your linux installation anymore, as far as i know.06:31
cenerentolaBlackwell: its the third field of the second page..06:31
cenerentolaim off06:31
Blackwellcenerentola: thank you, good luck06:31
the--dudxgamma does nothing for me...06:31
anirnow my problem is that.. i have win98SE and ubuntu loaded.. i wantto load winXP..so if i load Xp do i have to install ubuntu again??06:31
mannsmatthats the best way anir06:32
anirooh :(06:32
zeedoanir: no you dont have to06:32
anirokay.. so in my primary drive win98se will always be there right??06:33
zeedojust keep a copy of your bootloader config files install XP, then reinstall your bootloader06:33
zeedothen add new entries to the boot loader for the XP install and all should work out fine06:33
mannsmator installing an indipend bootloader06:34
anirokay zeedo thankx06:34
anirthankx mannsmat06:34
aniri will try it06:34
anirbut i love ubuntu..06:34
Pozacthere is a grub-floppy in apt06:34
Pozacnot sure how it works at all though06:34
anirhey is there any dictating software in ubuntu??06:35
anirvoice dictating06:35
mannsmatdont know06:35
aniryes i needed that.. it comes with XP..06:35
Blackwellin my nautilus installation the "view" menu entry exists, but "show side-pane" does not, as the user guide says. how to open the side pane in this case?06:36
anirgive a msg to the devolopers to create something like that in linux06:37
dseomnanir: check out festival06:37
Blackwellanir: there is a dictating software shipping along with windows xp? never heard of that.06:37
PozacBlackwell, do you run nautilus in browser mode?06:37
Blackwellanir: besides, linux is not a 1:1 match for windows. if you think it is, reconsider.06:37
PozacBlackwell, I dont think there is a side-pane in nautilus default mode06:37
aniryes blackwell it comes with office XP06:37
dseomnBlackwell: it's in the control panel06:37
BlackwellPozac: aha. the goal is to have that helpful tree view. the side pane seems to be able to display that, that got me the idea to open it...06:37
occyany sudo experts here....  I'm trying to do make it so pon and poff can run as a certain user with sudo.   username ALL=(ALL) ALL NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/pon, /usr/bin/poff       doesn't seem to work.06:38
anirblackwell: when ever i say something about windows why do u get hot??06:38
occythe man page isn't clear on syntax06:38
PozacBlackwell, correct06:38
Blackwellanir: i am trying to help you adjust your expectations.06:38
dseomnanir: serarch for festival and speechd06:38
anirokay blackwell,06:38
Pozacanir, you can just proclaim "but it works in XP" - use XP and pay then. Or have someone code it.06:39
PozacOr at least LOOK on pages like freshmeat.net06:39
Blackwellanir: office xp != xp (meaning windows xp)06:39
anirwill it work with openoffice? dseomn06:39
PozacWindows XP + Office XP = how much in dollars?06:39
dseomnanir: it only works with plain text, but you can export06:39
anirpozac: if i get what i  want i dont mind paying for it06:40
mannsmatore than 250 Euro06:40
Pozacanir, if you don't get it and don't pay a dime, you'll still bitch and moan? :)06:40
Blackwelldseomn: what control panel?06:40
dseomnBlackwell: I don't remeber, I almost never use windows, but it's there06:41
Blackwelldseomn: oh, you mean that dictation stuff. as anir said, ships with office xp.06:41
dseomnBlackwell: yeah06:41
Pozacanir, I was trying to point out that saying that "but it's in this >250 euro package" doesnt get you much help06:41
anirpozac: i am not here to advocate windows.. i am here to get the best operating system that suits me.. okay.. and if i get it.. fine06:41
BlackwellPozac: i don't know what mode it is in. how do i find out?06:42
rodI have succesfully installed the AMD64 version of ubuntu on my system. But I cant play quake3, ET and so on because they require a 32 bits environment. Is it a big waste running the 32 bits Ubuntu version instead of the 64?06:42
rodwhat are the 3 biggest disadvantages?06:42
zeedoanir: http://perlbox.org/ - Linux can do everything! :-P06:42
Blackwellrod: it is a big waste not to be able to do what you want with your computer.06:42
rodtrue Blackwell...06:43
PozacBlackwell, System -> Settings -> File Manager -> Behaviour -> Always use Browser06:43
Blackwellbiggest waste, perhaps :)06:43
PozacBlackwell, (my Gnome is not english, so it's not 100% correct)06:43
anircool zeedo06:43
anirthats what i was asking blackwell06:44
anirwill ubuntu run on my 64 bit processor06:44
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anirrod: howz AMD64??06:44
rodanir, x86 then06:45
bobmepisanir: download GAG is a bootloader simply to use06:45
BlackwellPozac: i see. sucks not to have the english variant, makes communication hard. which is why i installed the english variant. unfortunately it defaults to english keyboard layout then. makes entering more special chars a challenge...:|06:45
rodanir, what were you asking again? sry06:45
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PozacNot exactly sure what the requirements for dictiation software is, there is a basic sound recorder included by default06:45
anirwell rod how it performs??06:45
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PozacBlackwell, :(06:46
Blackwellanir: yes, ubuntu runs on amd 64 bit cpus, in 32 as well as 64 bit mode. you should ask about the common problems when using 64 bit mode though.06:46
PozacBlackwell, but you did enable the browser mode?06:46
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anirrod: are you satisfied with the performance of AMD64??06:47
BlackwellPozac: i cannot find something called "system" already. there is Computer/"System Configuration"06:47
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anirblackwell: what kind of problems i will get??06:47
Blackwellanir: you may have a hard time finding precompiled binaries of programs that you need. some people will tell you that compiling stuff yourself is easy. wether you believe them is up to you. :)06:48
rodanir, not sure... I dont see a difference between the 32 version06:48
rodat least; i dont feel a difference06:49
mannsmatanir: its easy, when you know what you do ...06:49
rodjust as snappy06:49
occyhmmm, I see a user called    hal   on my system in /etc/group   is that bad?06:49
BlackwellPozac: top menu bar, "Computer", "System Configuration", is that what you are refering to?06:49
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Blackwelloccy: are you going to ask for any of the groups listed there?06:49
joshua__when making a shell script is there a way to do some parts as sudo and some not?06:49
occyBlackwell: didn't know if it was a default user from ubuntu.06:50
Blackwelli have noticed that about windows users, they would look at the windows folder and ask what each specific file in there is for. :)06:50
occyI hadn't added that user.06:50
Blackwelloccy: i don't know, sorry.06:50
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occyBlackwell: heh  I've not been a windows user since 96' :P06:50
Blackwelloccy: but as you can see...the mechanism is there regardless of OS ;)06:50
mannsmatoccy: coool , but me only since 2 years06:51
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occyI've ran Linux so long, I couldn't use anything else.  Tried OSX for a month, and couldn't hang with it.06:52
mannsmatI started at first with SuSE ... then Mandrake and since some days Ubuntu06:52
mannsmatand I can say: never a RPm based Linux ;-)06:53
mannsmatoccy. buts its similar to Linux due to the fact of freebsd06:54
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anirwell mannsmat i have downloaded firefox 1 now how to install??06:55
umeshanyone know why i cant boot my xp partition. gives me an error 13 invalid or unsupported executable format. checked online to no avail06:55
anirumesh why dont you put your XP cd in and repair the problem.. its easy06:56
mannsmatat first open a bash and go to the download location of firefox06:56
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anirmannsmat: bash??06:56
umeshi dont have the XP CD. didnt come with HP.06:56
anirumesh not in this room.. this is exclusively for ubuntu06:57
Blackwellumesh: :| nothing like a bad ass restore cd which wipes the pc clean ;)06:57
anirmannsmat: yes what i will type06:57
Blackwellmannsmat: "Terminal" in ubuntu, i think.06:57
mannsmatBlackwell: ty06:57
umeshand ubuntu cant boot my xp :-(06:57
mannsmatI am a german06:58
anirmannamat: no problem...06:58
aniri can understand06:58
cabbieumesh: you could try using fdisk (CAREFULLY) to check if the XP partition has a bootable flag.06:58
Blackwellmannsmat: same here. but i decided to install it in english. has issues though...:>06:58
umeshit does06:58
rodich bin ein berliner06:58
mannsmatHallo Berliner ;-)06:59
anirso mannsmat: in terminal what will i type??06:59
cabbieumesh: did you try the simple DOS "sys.com" command?07:00
mannsmatanir: type tar xzvf firefox.....tar.gz07:00
umeshanir tar zxvf firefox-whatever name is, go into folder and type ./firefor-installer07:00
umeshand install it to /usr/lib/firefox. make sure u r root07:00
umeshthen link libjavaplugin_oji.so to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins for java support.07:01
mannsmatumesh: I had installed FF in /usr/local/ ... works also07:01
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umeshwould work anywhere. just what most distros do. dont know why07:01
mannsmatthats true07:01
BlackwellPozac: ah, firing up nautilus with "nautilus --browser" did the job. thank you.07:02
umeshcabbie, how would sys.com help? what do I do?07:02
Blackwellnow, how to create an entry in the "start" menu...:>07:02
anirheck:: umesh explain slowly07:02
anirgetting confused07:02
umesh:-) sorry07:03
Blackwellumesh: those kinds of problems always made me use a boot disk for linux, while that was an option. ;) these days, i prefer to run linux in vmware to avoid these hassles.07:03
cabbiewell, you'd use a DOS boot floppy and issue the command "sys c:"  -- It should only see the fat16 partition as C07:03
umeshand . . .07:03
anirokay umesh : fiest step first...07:03
anirtell me07:04
cabbieand that should make the C partition bootable, but I know you say there's already a bootable flag. Just worth a try.07:04
anirumesh u thr??07:05
umeshyeah. nokay. /dev/sda1 is vfat (HP Recovery)07:06
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the--dudanyone have an idea on this error?07:06
the--dudmake -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build SUBDIRS=/home/dud/spca5xx-20041224 modules07:06
the--dudmake: *** /lib/modules/ No such file or directory.  Stop.07:06
umesh/dev/sda2 is NTFS the one i want to boot07:06
umeshi can boot /dev/sda1 which starts HP recovery mode which i dont want. wanna start /dev/sda2 but that doesnt work07:06
umeshthe--dud, ln -s <ur linux sources> to /lib/modules.../build07:07
cabbieyou might have to check your /etc/lilo.config file -- make sure there's an option for the /dev/sda2 partition07:08
umeshgrub :-) but i tried lilo and it doesnt boot either07:08
umeshit was a other=/dev/sda2, label=windows07:08
umeshno luck07:08
umeshalright guys. will try something later. bye for now07:10
anirmannsmat: u there??07:10
mannsmati am here07:10
anirmannsmat: tell me how will i install firefox1.007:10
mannsmatohhhh ok07:11
aniri have downloaded it07:11
mannsmatand decompressed?07:11
anirnow its as /firefox-installer07:11
the--duddoesnt ubuntu use /lib/modules/{kernel version}/* for keeping modules and such?07:11
the--dudits stored somewhere else?07:11
mannsmatare you inside of this folder?07:11
anirwhere will i decompress?? mannsmat07:11
mannsmatyou did it07:11
anirno i mean in which folder i will decompose?07:12
mannsmatanir: you said that you see a folder firefox-installer?07:12
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aniryes mannsmat thats the folder i have downloaded07:13
mannsmatanir: that not a folder ... thats an tar.gz archive07:14
anirmannsmat: this is a compressed one so will i decompress it to /usr/lib/firefox???07:14
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mannsmatopen a terminal .. go to this file using the07:14
{malek}newbie question concerning ip_masq and ubuntu07:14
{malek}to I need to recompile my kern?07:15
anirmannsmaty: cd..then ?07:15
{malek}or is it already built in?07:15
mannsmatname of the folder, where your donwloaded file is located07:15
anirmannsmat: tell me first do i have to decompress it??07:16
mannsmattar zxvf firefox.....tar.gz07:16
cabbieanyone: is it worth swtiching to ubuntu from Debian Woody?07:17
flamesrockif your system is set up perfectly, I see no reason why07:18
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anirmannsmat: well the archive is..firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz now when i type the command " cd tar zxvf firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz" it says no such directory07:19
cabbiecustom compiled kernel & USB devices working on the laptop; would hate to start from scratch but it sounds like a good system07:19
{malek}flamesrock: was that in response to my ip_masq question?07:19
cenerentolaanyone has ever dealed with a dualboot winxp/ubuntu?07:20
anirdont ask anything about winxp here07:20
anirnot even booting07:20
anirmannsmat: well whats your answer??07:21
mannsmatanir: answer about?07:21
cenerentolathe problem is that after installing ubuntu, which worked very well as usual, when selecting win xp grub's entry it just printed to screen, grubs configuration : savedefault chainloader ... etc07:21
cenerentolawithout booting anything...07:21
anir mannsmat: well the archive is..firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz now when i type the command " cd tar zxvf firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz" it says no such directory07:22
{malek}does anyone here have experience setting up ip_masq after a plain install?07:22
cabbiewindows any flavor should be on a separate box if at all -- safety & sanity07:22
mannsmatanir: when you type 'ls' then you see  firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz?07:22
cenerentolacabbie: i know that...07:23
cenerentolacan you help'07:23
anirmannsmat: no07:23
cabbieI don't have experience with xp sorry07:23
mannsmatanir: ok??? where is  firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz located?07:24
kentIf there is some one here who can edit the wiki, the page https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PackageManagement  has a bad link in the Upgrade Notifier section.07:25
the--dudthis is the second pc im getting the weird python2.4 bug for apt-get dist-upgrade07:26
cenerentolakent: subscribe and edit it yourself...07:26
the--dudtwo completely different computers07:26
cenerentolakent: help the community growing up07:26
bobmepistitle Windows  root (hd0,0)    chainloader +1  replace  it  in the menu list07:26
kentcenerentola, well, im to shy for that. i will probably make a mistake that i would be known for all across the world ;)07:27
anirmannsmat: i dont know..i mean i cant see  it anywhere07:27
cenerentolakent: "everybody hurts sometime..." Micheal Stipe07:27
cenerentolabobmepis: so what's wrong07:27
occyWhat is an easy ppp tool that lets you configure your modem?  wvdial isn't working, and the gnome tool isn't giving me much love.07:28
cenerentolakent: don't you want me [such a walking disaster]  to do it, do you?07:28
cabbieanir: You said "cd tar zxvf firefox-1.0.installer"    Should be "tar -xvzf firefox*tar.gz" in the directory where compressed file is located07:28
cenerentolaoccy: pppconfig?07:28
cenerentolabobmepis: ping07:29
mannsmatanir: Ok I have to go now .. all infos are here in the chatlog. Make sure that you find your downloaded file, than run the command tar zxvf ....07:29
occycenerentola: k07:29
the--dudi dont want a swedish xchat >_<07:29
cenerentolamannsmat: i can help him..07:29
the--dudevil swedes07:29
cenerentolamannsmat: what is he trying to do?07:30
the--dudinfiltrating my norwegian life07:30
mannsmatanir: right ... then the installation runs like a windows installation07:30
anirk thank man07:30
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mannsmatdo not forget to run the .7firefox-installer as a root07:30
mannsmatok folks ... cu07:30
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bobmepiscenerentola con me funziona07:31
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anircabbie can u help me?07:32
cenerentolaanir: what for?07:33
anirto install firefox1.007:33
cenerentolaanir: ok what have you done till now?07:33
cabbieanir: what is the full name of your compressed firefox file?07:33
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anircenerentola: i have downloaded the file from mozilla.com and its now here in my computer known as firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz.07:34
xicoI'd need help with ssh between ppc terminal and an oldworld mac where I'm trying to install Ubuntu:  I'm booting Ubuntu for the first time and I'm stuck in Xserver with a black screen. I need to reconfigure xserver by a ssh connection. would you help me do that? My connection is OK (I transfered files from Ubuntu machine to distant one for the install). So far I did    sudo ssh    connection refused07:35
anircabbie: its firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz07:35
cenerentolaanir: ok... wait a sec07:35
cabbienavigate to the directory where that tar.gz file is located -- then "tar -xvzf firefox*.tar.gz"07:36
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anircabbie: navigate??07:37
anirwhat exactly i will have to do??07:37
cabbiemake sure you are in the same folder so your tar command can find the file07:37
anirin the terminal..07:37
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help_pleaseI wanted some help on Ubuntu07:38
help_pleasecan any one help here please ?07:38
HcEhelp_please: look at the topic, there's plenty help there =)07:38
dseomnwhat do you want to know?07:38
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fgubuntui want to change fonts in ubuntu apps ( gnome ). xterm, firefox, thunderbird and others after installation, have really bad fonts. can someone tell me how to change that? do i need apt-get install "great fonts"? thx07:38
cabbiehelp_please must be more specific07:39
anircabbie: so i should decompress the .tar.gz file to /home/anir/... right??07:39
help_pleaseI've tried to search about my problem but I could'nt find any answer07:40
help_pleaselet me explain it to you07:40
help_pleasei'm using Emacs for coding C++07:40
anircenerentola: where have you gone??07:40
cabbiewell, what is the location (full pathname) of your installer file now?07:40
help_pleasenow after I compile my code there is an executable file made by the compiler07:40
help_pleaseI want to execute the executable file from my terminal, but it does not executes it ?07:40
cenerentolaanir: ..oki so do you know where you put that file?07:40
anircenerentola: nope07:41
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help_pleasei'm in the exact directories of the executable file, so there is no problem of that sort07:41
cenerentolaok how did you download it?07:41
anirit should be in the main directory as it shows only / but when i open the directory and see i cant fiond it07:41
help_pleaseso any one knows what's the problem, why does not it executes it ?07:41
anirwell i clicked on the download button on the site  www.mozilla.com and it started downloading automatically cenerentola07:42
cenerentolahelp_please:  ./executable07:42
cabbieanir you need to find the file -- one way: "updatedb" (as root) followed by "locate firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz"07:42
help_pleaseit gives me the message bash: nameofmyexecutablefile: command not found07:42
help_pleaseyup, it worked cenerentola07:43
help_pleasethanks alot07:43
help_pleaseok there is another thing too07:43
xicoI'd need help with ssh between ppc terminal and an oldworld mac where I'm trying to install Ubuntu:  I'm booting Ubuntu for the first time and I'm stuck in Xserver with a black screen. I need to reconfigure xserver by a ssh connection. would you help me do that? My connection is OK (I transfered files from Ubuntu machine to distant one for the install). So far I did    sudo ssh    connection refused07:43
help_pleaseI was making a header file in emacs, now I want to compile it07:43
cenerentolaanir did you do that?07:43
help_pleasebut it does not compiles it07:44
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anirhey i got it its in my desktop..cenerentola..cabbie07:44
cenerentolacabbie: are you going to help him?07:44
help_pleaseand give me the message "g++: compilation of header requested"07:45
cabbieam trying07:45
dseomnhelp_please: you can't compile headers07:45
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cenerentolacabbie: ok go on.. ill do other things..07:45
anirhelping me getting a headache..lol07:45
anirhey guys its installed on my desktop07:46
help_pleaseI was working at my University Lab and it compiled the header there so I thought it does compiles header07:46
help_pleasebut perhaps you're more right it does not07:46
help_pleasebecause VC++ also does not compiles headers07:47
anirnow  what next cabbie???07:47
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cabbieanir: I'm more used to doing things with command-line...07:48
Pozacxico, have you tried switching to another vty on the mac?07:48
xicoWhat is vty?07:48
anircabbie: cool give the command i will execute them07:48
Pozacxico, text-mode terminals07:48
help_pleaseok second thing, I want to change the setting in the .bash_profile07:48
cabbieyou could try drag-and-drop from the desktop into your /home/username folder07:48
Pozacxico, like ctrl-alt-f107:48
help_pleasebut I need to log in as root user to change that file07:48
help_pleasehow do I do that07:48
Pozac(does a mac have ctrl-alt-f1 keys?)07:49
xicoyes I tried all combinaisons possible07:49
cabbiething is you still need an exact location for that file -- maybe /home/username/desktop??07:49
Pozaccan you boot the recovery mode if you hit ESC at boot?07:49
anircabbie: well now i am at root@anir:/home/anir .. tell me how i will  go to desktop..its inside anir07:49
xicoI try07:49
Pozacthat will boot without X07:49
cabbieis there a "desktop" folder in /home/anir?07:50
the--dudargh, my gnome-panel isnt acting nicely07:50
the--dudit crashes as soon as it starts up again07:50
anircabbie: yes inside anir folder07:50
Pozacthe--dud, any special applets on it?07:50
the--dudand it keeps coming up, even when i kill all its processes07:50
the--dudPozac, whining about the trash applet crashing07:50
cabbiedo "cd desktop" then do "pwd"07:51
Pozacthe--dud, gnome-session respawns it07:51
Pozacmaybe it's something in the trash that makes it crash?07:51
Pozacis the trash empty?07:52
anirroot@anir:/home/anir # cd desktop pwd07:52
anirbash: cd: desktop: No such file or directory07:52
Pozachehe.. if you know07:52
help_pleasecan anyone tell me how to log in as root user and then back to normal user ?07:52
anircabbie: root@anir:/home/anir # cd desktop pwd07:52
anirbash: cd: desktop: No such file or directory07:52
the--dudPozac, yeah, its empty...07:52
Pozachelp_please, use 'sudo -s' to switch to root user, CTRL-D to go back07:52
the--dudoh, it crashed just after i loaded the mail notifier applet07:53
the--dudand the weather applet07:53
help_pleaseI want to edit some files after logging in as root user can I do that on the graphical interface ?07:53
the--dudi guess i could restart x, but im doing a dist-upgrade which has to finish first07:53
Pozacthe--dud, strange.. sudo apt-get remove trashapplet perhaps?07:53
dseomnhelp_please: don't log in as root07:53
Pozacthen no apt-get'-ing07:53
dseomnhelp_please: use sudo07:54
Pozacthe--dud, perhaps the trashapplet is about to updated?07:54
the--dudill just wait it out07:54
Pozacatleast wait it out07:54
cabbieanir: open a graphical filemanager  so it shows your home directory (/home/anir), then drag the tar.gz file off the desktop into that directory (mabye?)07:54
help_pleaseI want to change some settings in .bash_profile, how do I do that, I can only edit this file if i'm logged in as root ?07:54
the--dudthat file should belong to the user which owns the home folder07:54
dseomnhelp_please: you can edit your own .bash_profile as your user, and if you want to edit root's, use sudo07:54
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anircabbie: i did it but still says no such directory????07:56
help_pleaseI Have a multiple boot system and I want to edit the menu.lst file ?07:56
help_pleasewhich is in /boot/grub/menu.lst07:56
dseomnhelp_please: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst07:56
help_pleaseok let me try07:57
aniris ba+bon_bon here??07:57
dseomnhelp_please: you can also install grubconf and use that07:57
help_pleasefrom where to install grubconf ?07:57
anirso cabbie: what should i do??07:58
cabbiewow. so drag it into the trash and try to move it from there, or as last resort re-download the file and set the destination on your download manager07:58
dseomnhelp_please: it's in universe07:58
help_pleasewhat's a Universe ?07:59
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cabbieanir when you do "ls firefox*" is there a listing for the file?07:59
dseomnhelp_please: open synaptic, edit the sources, and select the universe source08:00
anircabbie: yes it says firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz08:00
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xicoPozac: that didn't work08:01
cabbieso maybe we already know where your file is08:01
Pozachelp_please, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages08:01
aniryes its now in /home/anir/firefox...tar.gz08:01
Pozacxico, no? what happened?08:01
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xicoblack screen08:02
help_pleasethere is no Sources in menu edit08:02
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Pozacanir, are you trying to install the latest mozilla firefox?08:02
anirpozac yes08:02
cabbieso Pozac is right. Now just use the command "tar -xvzf firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz"08:02
Pozacanir, there is a repository you can add to synaptic where it's in08:02
the--dudhmm, bug buddy says that the cpufreq monitor applet has crashed08:03
xicothe last messge was starting gnome environment, then a brief login invite that I couldn't grab08:03
the--dudthats no wonder, as this is a celeron08:03
dseomnhelp_please: I don't know what menu it's in or what it's called, but it looks something like sources08:03
Pozacxico, are you sure you selected the recovery option after hitting ESC where it counts down at boot?08:03
anirokay i am giving the output08:04
anirroot@anir:/home/anir # tar -xvzf firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz08:04
anirroot@anir:/home/anir #08:04
stuNNedanir, what are you trying to do?08:04
xicoPozac:I couldn't select anything08:04
dseomnhelp_please: you should probably do /nick <some-nick> so that people will pay attention to you, help_please won't help you08:04
dseomnanir: use #flood08:04
Pozacanir, see the 'Backports' section on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu08:04
anirguys sorry08:05
cabbieanir: success! Now just run the executable installer with X running (maybe have to be root)08:05
stuNNedanir, like Pozac said you probably want to use Backports and not manually install.08:05
stuNNedcabbie, no. use backports.08:05
Pozacxico, were there no options? not even one?08:05
anircabbie: how??08:05
stuNNedanir, see above url08:06
cabbiethe others seem to have an objection08:06
PozacIf you do it the way I pointed to, your computer will upgrade perfectly when hoary comes in April08:06
Pozacalso, you get access to alot of other, newer software from the same place08:07
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help_pleasehey I want to upload files on some ftp location through firefox, can I do it ?08:07
xicoPozac:  none, the screen doesn't stop until it goes black: I'm in corrupted Xserver and no way to escape.08:07
anirstunned: how to run a backpost??08:07
cabbieif Pozac's method sets up for future upgrade, then better take his advice.08:07
dseomnhelp_please: try gftp08:07
Pozachelp_please, you can use the file manager08:07
Pozaccabbie, it's a deb. :)08:07
dseomnhelp_please: the file manager idea is better than gftp, I always forget that file managers exist ;>08:08
anircabbie: plz tell me how will i run X installer08:08
help_pleaseok let me see08:08
cabbieyou mean he didn't need the download gz file at all?08:08
Pozacxico, ok.. the very first thing it does at boot is countdown from 3 (on my x86 atleast) wherein if I hit ESC, I can choose other options.08:08
Pozacxico, Can't help you with the PPC terminal, sorry.08:08
stuNNedanir, see  https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu the backports section08:09
Pozaccabbie, correct08:09
xicoI'm on a PPC08:09
PozacDoes PPC ubuntu not use grub in the same configuration?08:09
help_pleasewhere is this file manager located ?08:09
cabbiethen there should be an available .deb file to install with dpkg?08:10
dseomnhelp_please: are you using hoary or warty?08:10
xicoIt uses another bootloader: BootX for oldworld08:10
anirstunned: i will have to add new respository??08:10
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Pozacsorry for leading you on the wrong trail there then :(08:10
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anircabbie: tell me i am waiting08:10
xiconever mind08:10
dseomnhelp_please: check the computer menu08:10
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Pozacxico, ubuntu doesnt install a sshd by default.. I wonder how to get it08:11
dud_ok, a restart fixed things up...08:11
Pozacany way you can get to add 'single' to the kernel line?08:11
help_pleaseno there is'nt anything there08:11
dseomnPozac: to install the ssh server, just install ssh with apt-get or synaptic08:11
cabbieanir: you should be able to use the installer from your download, but I'm not sure what Pozac's warning is about.08:11
dud_i just dont get this hoary thing... how it screws up the lower panel08:12
dud_M... X... etc08:12
xicoIt does I think08:12
dseomnhelp_please: look for something like 'Home' or 'Computer' or 'Disks'08:12
PozacUsing the installer will mix APT files with Mozilla files.08:12
dud_instead of showing Mozilla Firefox and X-Chat tabulators08:12
dud_very weird stuff08:12
help_pleaseya there is Home and Disks there08:12
PozacWhen firefox will need to updated, APT will complain that it didnt install those files and fail08:12
xicoI was able to copy kernel and initrd from the ubuntu machine to a distant mac with scp08:13
dseomnhelp_please: open home08:13
anirso pozac whai i ll do?08:13
dseomnhelp_please: I don't know how to upload to ftp server, but it's possible08:13
Pozacanir, see the 'Backports' section on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu08:13
cabbieanir: you are already in X I assume?08:13
xicoPozac: now I want to connect the other way08:13
xicoI'm trying the "single" line08:14
help_pleaseanother ting08:14
anirokay pozac so i ll add respository??08:14
help_pleaseI have windows xp and Ubuntu08:14
help_pleasei have 4 partitions of my HDD08:14
Pozacanir, yes. Then you will need to choose the version from synaptic.08:14
Blackwellwhen being asked for the kernel header location, what do i enter? what packages do i need to have installed to have them? aren't linux-headers- and linux-headers- the right thing?08:14
help_pleasei can't access my windows drive from Ubuntu and vice versa08:15
cabbieyou can "cd firefox-installer" then "./firefox-installer" -- it might say you need to be root, or it will launch an installer08:15
anirman i have already downloaded it08:15
help_pleasehow can I do use my other drives ?08:15
dseomnhelp_please: you won't be able to access the ubuntu partition(s) on windows08:15
help_pleaseok, what about the other08:16
dseomnhelp_please: open up Disks in the Computer menu08:16
dseomnhelp_please: what's there?08:16
PozacYou can access the partition from Total Commander[tm]  on Windows[r] 08:16
help_pleasefilesystem ?08:16
dseomnhelp_please: anything else?08:16
help_pleasewhat is total commander ?08:17
TopDoghelp_please, http://www.ghisler.com/08:17
Pozachelp_please, it's a program. It costs money, but a trial is free.08:17
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anirits done cabbie..thankx08:18
TopDogPozac, I had a free ext2/3 browser once... can't remember the name.08:18
help_pleasedseomn, what next then ?08:18
cabbieanir: Pozac's "synaptic" is a graphical version of dselect -- it's a very good graphical package manager. You could try his method if any problems down the road...08:18
anirsure cabbie08:18
cabbiehope firefox is good!08:19
anirits good08:19
help_pleaseso I also can't access my windows partitions from Ubuntu ?08:19
aniri was using the prev version..what do u use cabbie??08:20
TopDoghelp_please, yes you can, but you must mount them...08:20
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help_pleaseso how can I mount them ?08:20
TopDogAre they FAT or NTFS?08:20
dseomnhelp_please: I don't know08:20
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help_pleaseand mounting them will not cause any trouble to my windows I suppose ? or any chance of loss of data, I suppose its a safe procedure08:20
cabbiei'm running mozilla 1.7.308:21
anirheck.. i have installed firefox1.0..08:21
cabbienot using ubuntu (yet) -- debian 3.008:21
Pozachelp_please, NTFS only has read support. Otherwise there is no hassle.08:21
TopDoghelp_please, mount -t vfat /dev/YourDrive /mnt/NewDirectory08:22
help_pleaseI have FAT not NTFS08:22
anirokay cabbie u should try ubuntu..its worth08:22
Pozachelp_please, then there should be no worries :)08:22
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crimsunTopDog: you might want to mention the umask parameter, too.08:22
TopDogcrimsun, you go ahead... I don't remember.08:23
cenerentolaciao crimsun...08:23
crimsunre cenerentola08:23
cabbieI have the ubuntu CDs and tried the "live-CD" for a trial run -- looks good alright, but "it it ain't broke..."08:23
help_pleasewhat's with umask ?08:23
dseomnhelp_please: it contols default permissions of files08:23
crimsunhelp_please: add " -o umask=000"08:23
Pozaccabbie, it is broken. If you don't have access to the ubuntu-calendar package, your os is broken.08:24
anircabbie:why is that??08:24
help_pleasewhat will be the benefit of adding this umask ?08:24
crimsunhelp_please: you will be able to read the files as your normal user.08:24
Pozachelp_please, you user will be able to write to the partition :)08:24
Pozacoh and read08:25
cabbiePozac, what is ubuntu-calendar package?08:25
xicoPozac: It didn't work with the "single" line either.  You know "Terminal" is just a normal Unix console for Mac.  Do you know the ssh commands?08:25
anirhelp_please go aheah i have done it a week back08:25
Blackwellcabbie: are wild guesses welcome? :)08:25
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Pozaccabbie, A monthly background semi-nude picture.08:25
Pozaccabbie, read naked, but not full frontal :)08:26
Blackwellnekkid pics?08:26
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Blackwellyay for open source ;)08:26
Pozacxico, ssh <ip> ?08:26
cabbiedid the thread unravel?08:26
anirblackwell: explain08:27
dudi wonder, is there a bugzilla entry for this gnome-panel screw up?08:27
dudhas anyone entered it?08:27
Blackwellanir, nevermind, just goofing around.08:27
cenerentolai can't remember how to remove the "mouse's" x that sometimes happen to appear after not so succesful x configurations?08:27
anirdud i have entered bout totem-xine08:27
cabbieI need a new OS just for naked pics?08:27
PozacThey're that good.08:28
anir??? cabbie??08:28
ogracenerentola: hi, you wnt the HWCursor option ?08:28
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intinigwhat os and what naked pics are we talking about? And how do I install it :)08:28
Pozacsudo apt-get install ubuntu-calendar08:28
cabbieI'll just take your word for it08:28
cenerentolaogra: have i ever told you i love you?... yehhh i didnt remember it..08:28
cenerentolaj ogra..08:28
ogracenerentola: several times ;)08:29
help_pleasecrimsun: it says mount point 000 does not exists ?08:29
dseomnhelp_please: what's the exact command you used>08:29
duderm, ubuntu doesnt have gcc installed?08:29
Pozachelp_please, mount -t vfat -o umask=000 /dev/hdXX /mnt/point08:29
anircommon a love affair in progress...guys join #love08:29
crimsundud: sudo apt-get install build-essential08:29
dudah heh08:29
help_pleasei typed this mount -t vfat/dev/hda5/mnt/E -o umask = 00008:29
Blackwelldud: ...just bumped into the same08:29
dseomnhelp_please: no spaced betwenn umask, =, and 00008:30
TopDoghelp_please, have you created the /mnt/E directory?08:30
Pozachelp_please, space between hda5 and /mnt08:30
xicoPozac: 82-66-182-171  I'm behind a router:  the ubuntu machine is
intinigI have to say the ubuntu calendar is classy08:31
Pozacxico, ssh from the LAN, otherwise you need to forward port 22 from the router to
help_pleaseyes just /mnt directory has been created08:31
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help_pleaselet me try it again08:31
xicoI will08:31
Pozacintinig, it made me make my xchat background transparent08:31
TopDoghelp_please, creade the /mnt/E directory first.08:31
intinigPozac, it's not THAT classy :)08:31
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anirpozac: tell me how will i open my directory to see my partitions??08:32
Pozacintinig, but but, the tattoo?08:32
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Pozacanir, I usually use 'parted' to see my partitions08:32
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dudqtparted is nice if you want something graphical though08:33
kentIs there some document on ubuntulinux.org about what things are ok to do with the wiki? Perhaps I should correct the error i found before? I created an acount, and have temporarly (just in preview-mode right now) written a comment about it. But im unsure if I can do that without upsetting some one :(08:33
anirpozca: parted..thats it?08:33
Scorpsomeone told me how to make it so that my laptop brings up eth0 on boot last night but it doesn't seem to work, maybe I did something wrong, the network works once I type dhclient eth008:33
dudkent, use common sense normal etiquette08:33
Pozacanir, 'parted', type p<enter>08:34
Pozacthen you get the list08:34
ograkent: there are, in the documentation area...08:34
Pozacthe minor number is the hdaX number08:34
kentdud, ok. But for example, the document mentions a repository that does not work, if I write a comment under that line that mentions that it does not work, that would be ok?08:34
Pozacq<enter> when you know which one it is08:34
help_pleaseonly mnt directory is getting created08:34
ograkent: yep08:35
help_pleasethere is nothing in the mnt directory08:35
help_pleaseits empty08:35
TopDoghelp_please, mkdir E08:35
cabbieanir: normally can't s08:35
PozacScorp, 'ifplugd' will bring up eth0 on cable insertion :)08:35
cabbiesorry -- broken message08:35
Pozacand down when the cable gets pulled out08:35
ScorpPozac does that mean when it boots up if the cable is inserted it'll bring it up?08:35
Pozacsudo mkdir E08:36
PozacScorp, I believe it will08:36
ScorpPozac that sounds good ty08:36
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ograkent: there are certain sites where you should contact the documentation team (as the wiki writing howto mentions) but a correction of an error is always ok :)08:37
cabbieanir: can use fdisk /dev/hda followed by "p" for print, but DON'T MESS WITH YOUR PARTITION TABLE08:37
Brikkahmaybe today someone can help me with: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=902308:37
Scorpwhy is when I search for a package with synaptic it says 1 packages listed but it doesn't show anything in the main window?08:37
anirwell i have done the partition..08:37
Pozaccabbie, parted is much friendlier08:37
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aniranyways as long as i am happy with something i am not gonna mess with it..lol08:38