[12:00] <LinuxSanta> breaking news
[12:00] <xhoy> reeeeeeeeeeeeee
[12:00] <LinuxSanta> santa leaves
[12:00] <LinuxSanta> :P
[12:00] <mjt> "don't run anything but very few things as root" (don't run as administrator on win - who follows this advise nowadays?).  keep your system up-to-date wrt local root vulnerablilites and so on.
[12:00] <ferris> one virus that i found is called Slapper
[12:00] <Setite> but yea i suppose of what their is to be known most people know windows better... i mean what is there to know
[12:00] <ferris> it was written for linux apache servers
[12:00] <Setite> i hate virii people
[12:01] <Setite> i dont understand why they get such a kick out of messing with peoples systems
[12:01] <xskoulax> in central europe linuxsanta
[12:01] <xskoulax> ?
[12:01] <ferris> it is the challenge of programming
[12:01] <ogra> mjt: updates are run automatically for hoary on in ubuntu, the sudo infrastructure to not  always run as root is already in place...where would be the hole ?
[12:01] <hazza96> my sound stops working about 10 sec after logging in
[12:01] <mjt> that old lpd exploit -- it was a real virus which exploited buggy lpd (buffer overflow) running as root, installing some stuff on the machine and continuing scanning for other hosts -- that was a real stuff, and some machines has been infected.  cicra 2002, no?
[12:02] <mjt> ogra: human minds ;)
[12:02] <xskoulax> ferris, if it was just the challenge they would find the flaws and then pass them on so they can be fixed
[12:03] <xskoulax> so its also the "hah j00 g0t pwn3d"
[12:03] <xskoulax> factor
[12:03] <ogra> mjt: true, but with a really safe system...even if the win/lin situation were the opposite there wouldnt be very much viruses
[12:03] <mjt> there's no need for a virus to run as root, btw: for many tasks it's enouth to run as any user
[12:03] <ferris> xskoulax: I guess that depends on WHAT they are looking at as a challenge?
[12:04] <ogra> mjt: not for critical stuff
[12:04] <ferris> ok, so I guess I will delete BitDefender
[12:04] <ferris> lol
[12:05] <mjt> eg, to scan more hosts, to send itself via email, to install an open proxy or to send spam - no need in root privileges.  To start on every boot, add a line into ~/.profile. and so on
[12:05] <ogra> mjt: but lets stop this now..... you wont leave your position and i wont leave mine
[12:05] <ferris> hey, one question about linux and viruses....
[12:05] <ogra> ferris: grr
[12:05] <ferris> lol
[12:05] <ferris> jk
[12:05] <ogra> *g*
[12:07] <kayali> hi there
[12:08] <mjt> there aren't many viruses, but they do exists (not that there's much "use" of them for their writers except of "gee, i'm great hacker" attitude).  but it does not mean there's no need to "worry" (whatever) about "linux viruses".  a virusscanner nowadays is really overkill, but the rule is: BE SMART. that's it, nothing more...
[12:08] <xskoulax> ahhh i think me an mjt are on the same page afterall
[12:09] <mjt> and that "be smart" is especially important for developers...
[12:09] <mjt> heh
[12:11] <Setite> well ive never gotten a deadly virus on windows... since 97... because ive been smart
[12:11] <Setite> and no virus scanner
[12:11] <Setite> just a spyware thing that i whip out if my pc acts weird
[12:12] <Setite> deadly meaning needing to reinstall windows, reformat or such... there was that one mp3 virus in the napster days that pissed me off
[12:12] <thoreauputic> Setite: well, you didn't really need a virus to have windows crash in 1997 :)
[12:12] <kayali> Setite: well... how would a smart person avoid a worm that installs automagically through some RPC service, with no user action? (think blaster...) ?
[12:12] <xskoulax> lol @ thoreauputic
[12:12] <Setite> RPC?
[12:12] <Agrajag> remote procedure call
[12:12] <Setite> smart and lucky then
[12:13] <Setite> and how would one get that
[12:13] <Agrajag> not lucky
[12:13] <kayali> indeed lucky ;)
[12:13] <GentleHatemonger> anybody have a recommendation as far as a firewall goes?
[12:13] <Setite> i dunno if i have any RPC services runnign
[12:13] <Agrajag> just dumb on the part of MS
[12:13] <xskoulax> or just in the dark about what your mechine is really up tp
[12:13] <xskoulax> to
[12:13] <Setite> gentle... a good router works for the most part
[12:13] <kayali> Setite: those were running by default on all windows boxen ;)
[12:13] <GentleHatemonger> yes, but I want a software one as well
[12:13] <Agrajag> their RPC implementation has more holes than a chuck pahlaniuk novel
[12:13] <kayali> Setite: don't ask why
[12:13] <Setite> oh... i probably dont have it then
[12:13] <Setite> i run slipstreamed warez windows
[12:13] <kayali> LSD?
[12:14] <Setite> its heavily modified
[12:14] <Setite> nemesis
[12:14] <mjt> it was long ago when i installed win the last time.. but the first thing i always did was to inspect all services running and turn off about 3/4 of them
[12:14] <Setite> i dont know what he does... but i know he has alot of worthless, unsafe stuff disabled and/or removed
[12:15] <mjt> after that, machine runs alot faster too...
[12:15] <Setite> but its just what i use until I have the balls to jump to linux
[12:15] <kayali> ok, today is my hoary day... hope I'll survive ;)
[12:15] <Setite> mjt... isnt that the truth
[12:15] <Setite> i killed alot of services and this pc finally performs as it should... still could be faster... but its a celeron and winxp... what can i expect
[12:15] <xskoulax> a switch to linux in the future?
[12:17] <xskoulax> if windows dosn't install right this time, I'm going to have to find out what games are supported with winex/cedega, and open an ebay account to flog the rest
[12:17] <mjt> that RPC and other services stuff is really vendor's fault: don't turn everything on by default, and that's where we have a way for improvements
[12:44] <mjt> so, anyone know which package "messes up" with devmapper in ubuntu?
[12:44] <Setite> happy corporately influenced consumer driven holidays to all
[12:45] <mjt> that problem with /dev/hdb1 mounting which briansanders4 was seeing -- the device really was busy, used by devmapper layer for some yet unknown reason - i'm curious which package thinks the partition is a part of some devmapper device..
[12:46] <mjt> it wasn't trivial to figure out why it was busy... ;)
[12:47] <kayali> damn, ubuntu is making me love gnome... how beautiful it is...
[12:48] <huttan> hmm, anyone know if gaim supports webcam?
[12:48] <kayali> huttan: it doesnt
[12:49] <kayali> huttan: however, gaim-vv is trying to...
[12:49] <huttan> ah, thanks...i'll check that up
[12:49] <kayali> huttan: still very alpha though :)
[12:49] <huttan> kayali, if i get 1 look of this girl live it will be enough :p
[12:55] <Setite> does gaim have IRC?
[12:56] <ctd> yes
[12:56] <Setite> i think i want to try a ubuntu live cd
[12:56] <Setite> is there one?
[12:56] <ctd> yes
[12:56] <ArCHoNKoG> what is the latest verion of gnome thoes ubuntu has
[12:57] <Setite> 2.8?
[12:57] <ctd> 2.9 (in Hoary)
[12:57] <Setite> yea hoary is newer
[12:57] <Setite> hey ctd... following patterns Hoary final release will have 2.10 right?
[12:58] <ctd> yes
[12:58] <Setite> cool
[12:58] <ctd> Ubuntu & GNOME run off the same release schedule.. infact.. the same release manager, too.
[12:58] <ArCHoNKoG> and ubuntu is debian based ?
[12:58] <ctd> ArCHoNKoG: yes
[12:58] <Setite> where do i get the livecd
[12:58] <Setite> indeed it is debian... woo hoo
[12:58] <ArCHoNKoG> hmmm
[12:58] <Setite> i like the selection that affords
[12:59] <ctd> Setite: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ or various mirrors
[12:59] <ArCHoNKoG> latest kernel also ?
[12:59] <Setite> im confused
[12:59] <Setite> where is the livecd
[12:59] <Setite> whats it under
[01:00] <ctd> Setite: http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/warty/release/warty-live-i386.iso
[01:00] <ArCHoNKoG> what isthe site so i can see the list of ports
[01:00] <ctd> ArCHoNKoG: Something along the 2.6 line
[01:00] <Setite> release ok
[01:00] <ArCHoNKoG> or where the pakages list is
[01:01] <Setite> under releases.,.. is there a difference from the folders labeled by name or version?>
[01:01] <ctd> re-phrase?
[01:02] <Setite> like there is hoary and warty, but also 4.10 and 5.04
[01:02] <Setite> now i know 4.10 is warty
[01:02] <Setite> and 5.04 is hoary
[01:02] <Setite> but why does it have 4 folders
[01:02] <Setite> http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/
[01:02] <Setite> there is 4.10, 5.04, warty, and hoary folders... i dont get it
[01:03] <Setite> looks like they have the same stuff in them... hmmm
[01:03] <ctd> Setite: hoary & warty are just symlinks to their appropriate version number.
[01:03] <Setite> should i try the hoary live cd?
[01:03] <ArCHoNKoG> ubuntu is forcused on gnome ?
[01:03] <Setite> oh symlinks... ok
[01:03] <Setite> arch yes
[01:03] <ctd> ArCHoNKoG: yes
[01:03] <ArCHoNKoG> nice ok
[01:03] <ArCHoNKoG> what version should i downlaod
[01:03] <ctd> Setite: Not unless your prepared for something to not work
[01:03] <Setite> yea thats what im wondering
[01:04] <Setite> oh ok
[01:04] <Setite> like what wont work
[01:04] <ctd> ArCHoNKoG: warty
[01:04] <Setite> ive never had hardware problems at all to this date
[01:04] <ArCHoNKoG> has long it supports my video card
[01:04] <ArCHoNKoG> i don't care
[01:04] <ctd> Setite: Anything may or may not.
[01:04] <Setite> but since i already downloaded the 64bit warty for my other rig i might as well get the 32bit warty livecd
[01:05] <Setite> will hoary react differently/
[01:05] <Setite> or look different
[01:05] <Setite> i plan to install ubuntu on my main rig next weekend... for now im just getting by on the family pc... i hate this thing
[01:05] <etorix> hoary is dev version .. some stuph may not work
[01:06] <ctd> hoary won't be *that* much better for a livecd.
[01:06] <Setite> nvm their is no hoary livecd
[01:07] <ctd> "there" :)
[01:07] <Setite> i just want to see ubuntu before next weekend as i imagine it will be different from the fedora core 3 64 and suse 32 9.2 livecd ive already tried
[01:07] <Setite> and for now im not doing anything that is necessarily windows only...
[01:07] <Setite> i should get my mp3s on a cd real quick though
[01:09] <Setite> that was my mistake with suse livecd... i had nothing i could do on it
[01:10] <Setite> so ctd... you have windows in your home at all?
[01:11] <Setite> haha we have a comedian in the room
[01:11] <Setite> im just trying to see how many folks are liberated... im especially looking for liberated gamers
[01:11] <mjt> liberared?
[01:11] <Setite> and no i dont consider tux racer to be a game
[01:11] <Setite> liberated
[01:11] <Setite> free
[01:12] <mjt> heh
[01:12] <etorix> ha ha
[01:12] <Setite> of the grip which MS holds so firm
[01:12] <mjt> i played hard some 20 years ago..
[01:12] <Setite> they are getting their ass kicked in europe it seems
[01:12] <speel> liberated games? lol what does that mean free gamers?
[01:12] <xskoulax> lol @ mjt
[01:12] <Setite> grrrrr
[01:12] <Setite> think abotu it man
[01:13] <Setite> im talking about gamers who successfully use linux and have no need to hop over to windows to game
[01:13] <Setite> context man context!
[01:13] <speel> lol
[01:13] <Setite> their legal/turf war win linspire in europe is quite amusing
[01:13] <ArCHoNKoG> xorg or xfree for ubuntu
[01:13] <Setite> both?
[01:14] <speel> well if game companys succesfully port there games to linux people woulent use win
[01:14] <ArCHoNKoG> for install ?
[01:14] <mjt> not both, they conflicts with each other
[01:14] <Setite> speel... not gonna happen
[01:14] <Setite> mjt... a review i read said somethign to that effect... so i wasnt sure...
[01:14] <speel> might .. you have unreal tournament and doom 3 both huge games and avalible on linux
[01:14] <xskoulax> bah europe should just outlaw microsoft fullstop
[01:15] <Setite> speel... it wont happen... until their is a universal thing that beats directx we may never see natively compatible games for linux
[01:15] <Setite> on the widescale
[01:15] <Setite> yea but those are two of how many games
[01:15] <speel> well thats why we have consoles :D
[01:15] <Setite> but consoles dont live up....
[01:15] <Setite> ill just pray that cedega can keep up
[01:15] <mjt> i think linux isn't quite ready for games (unless you have really fast machine which can run wine/whatever)
[01:15] <Setite> yea i have one...
[01:16] <mjt> but modern games already require fast machine
[01:16] <Setite> amd64 3200 dtr overclocked to 2500mhz and a 6800GT slighly overclocked
[01:16] <Setite> thats another thing...
[01:16] <Setite> linuxers dont necessarily need TOTL pc's
[01:16] <xskoulax> TOTL?
[01:17] <speel> lol i rather have madden 05 for ps2 then comp or nfsu2 for ps2
[01:17] <Setite> so that also causes developers to shy from linux... because it has such a free/cheap aspect
[01:17] <Setite> top of the line
[01:17] <Setite> trying to save space... sorry
[01:17] <xskoulax> ahhh
[01:17] <mjt> and btw, i don't have windows - both at home and at work.  Well, i have a win partition here which i use to "debug" new worms/viruses
[01:18] <Setite> xskoulax... no worries... most people dont know what it means... i just put it out there and hope people dont ask
[01:18] <Setite> time for more turkey
[01:19] <speel> what i kinda find funny is people who buy alien ware 2000$ comps just to play games ... that is so sad
[01:19] <xskoulax> yea that is sad
[01:19] <squeegy> why is it sad?
[01:20] <speel> 2 grand just to play games? .. lol just buy a xbox or ps2 for 150
[01:20] <xskoulax> its a waste of money squeegy
[01:20] <squeegy> i agree it's a waste of money
[01:20] <mjt> xbox is a fast pc, yeah... ;)
[01:20] <squeegy> but fail to see why it is sad
[01:20] <gwildor> you could build a gaming box just as good/better for much less
[01:20] <squeegy> xbox is a slow pc
[01:20] <xskoulax> you could play those games at same level or damn close to it for less
[01:21] <speel> yea for 150$ lol
[01:21] <squeegy> kids who buy alienware buy it for the "image"
[01:21] <gwildor> and that is sad
[01:21] <speel> that to
[01:22] <Setite> people who buy alienware are fools
[01:22] <gwildor> lol
[01:22] <Setite> i spend too much money on gaming as it is....
[01:22] <squeegy> they just don't know any better
[01:22] <mjt> a friend of mine uses xboxes as servers at his office - about 10 of them
[01:22] <gwildor> maybe one of their laptops.....if you needed to game that badly
[01:22] <Setite> but people who buy alienware and dell xps gamers scare me
[01:22] <speel> lol
[01:22] <Setite> i mean its just cheaper to build them yourself
[01:22] <gwildor> Xbox;s as servers...what a grand idea
[01:23] <Setite> similar systems to the dells and alienwares can be created for 500+ dollars less...
[01:23] <squeegy> Setite: heh, i don't think people buying alienware pc's know how to build a pc themselves
[01:23] <Setite> you pay for the name with alienware... with dell i dunno what you pay for
[01:23] <squeegy> alienware serves it's market well
[01:23] <Setite> i think people who buy alienwares.. should pay me to build them...
[01:24] <mjt> they're somewhat unreliable for that usage (i for one will never use non-ecc memory on any server, or ide disks for that matter)
[01:24] <Setite> also alienware and voodoo and such... laptops... are just screaming to be stolen
[01:24] <squeegy> Setite: will you give them a warranty though?  I'd imagine alienware provides them.
[01:24] <squeegy> Setite: all laptops are screaming to be stolen
[01:25] <Setite> well they will get warranties with all the individual components...
[01:25] <Setite> their isn't much alienware gives you that is worth the extra cash...
[01:25] <xskoulax> so thats what the dell customer gets then, a single company to bitch at instead of several
[01:25] <xskoulax> ;p
[01:25] <gwildor> lol
[01:25] <squeegy> Setite: alienware provides a lot in the minds of their customers
[01:26] <squeegy> or else they would be out of business
[01:26] <Setite> well i suppose... but i would tell them to order the parts from newegg.... newegg is more fun to bitch at then dell anyday
[01:26] <xskoulax> it makes up for a small pecker to start with
[01:26] <squeegy> xskoulax: :)
[01:26] <Setite> yea just like ms provides excellent security in the mind of their customers
[01:26] <Setite> :)
[01:26] <squeegy> Setite: well it would seem 90% of "customers" out there are ignorant
[01:26] <squeegy> :)
[01:32] <Setite> indeed
[01:32] <Setite> hehe
[01:33] <Setite> i wonder how many linuxers voted bush
[01:33] <gwildor> none
[01:33] <Setite> actually... i stand alone
[01:33] <gwildor> :(
[01:33] <Setite> as an african american republican linuxer
[01:33] <Setite> haha
[01:33] <squeegy> i voted libertarian
[01:33] <Setite> nevada ballot sucked
[01:34] <Setite> there were like 8 choiices for president and VP
[01:34] <GoneBoB> I voted for a less-screwed political system
[01:34] <squeegy> i'm sick of politics tho
[01:34] <Setite> why would you even put these people no one as heard of
[01:34] <GoneBoB> then I got one, but the general public are still delusional
[01:34] <Setite> maybe ill run for president next year
[01:34] <GoneBoB> and we got John Howard back
[01:34] <Setite> nevada ballot would probably add me on
[01:35] <xskoulax> Setite, if i have my citizenship by the next election i'd vote for you
[01:35] <Setite> thank you
[01:35] <xskoulax> sure as hell can't be worse than what we have
[01:35] <Setite> i want to be the first black president
[01:35] <speel> lol
[01:36] <Setite> and i will impose heavy fines on MS for lying to the public
[01:36] <xskoulax> america elect a black man
[01:36] <xskoulax> hahhahaha
[01:36] <xskoulax> don't see that happening
[01:36] <Setite> hey asshole
[01:36] <speel> ROFL
[01:36] <Setite> haha
[01:36] <xskoulax> i don't
[01:36] <Setite> you havent met a black man like me yet
[01:36] <Setite> im not jesse jackson or colin powell
[01:36] <xskoulax> i think that would kick ass
[01:36] <Setite> nah... that movie wasnt that good
[01:37] <xskoulax> i didn't watch the movie
[01:37] <Setite> see a black man who "talks black".... will never be elected
[01:37] <GoneBoB> I'd liek to see smauel L jackson as pres
[01:37] <Setite> if bush "talked black" he wouldnt be elected
[01:37] <Setite> that would be interesting
[01:37] <GoneBoB> heh
[01:37] <Setite> he scares me though
[01:37] <xskoulax> yea but if a black man is elected president i don't want him to be a white guy in black skin
[01:38] <Setite> seen the previews for the new xXx?
[01:38] <xskoulax> we need some flair in politics
[01:38] <Setite> i think vin diesel died
[01:38] <gwildor> lol
[01:38] <speel> VOTE DON VITO FOR PRESIDENT ROFLsesad
[01:38] <Setite> their is no such thing as a white guy in black skin...
[01:38] <xskoulax> carlton banks from fresh prince comes to ming
[01:38] <xskoulax> mind
[01:38] <Setite> such a view comes from a misconception on what it is to be black
[01:38] <gwildor> ROFL
[01:38] <xskoulax> lol
[01:39] <Setite> if your black your black
[01:39] <GoneBoB> you're
[01:39] <Setite> regardless of who your parents are or how you were raise
[01:39] <Setite> sorry...
[01:39] <Setite> you're*
[01:39] <Setite> but yea... i mean colin powell may be light but he is still black
[01:39] <xskoulax> Setite, i don't want a "ghetto" president a black person would be kool though i just don't want a black guy who is acting a part
[01:40] <Setite> i dunno if he is mixed
[01:40] <Dzogi> how can i add "Tray" to the panel ?
[01:40] <Setite> "<xskoulax> yea but if a black man is elected president i don't want him to be a white guy in black skin"
[01:40] <Dzogi> i can't find "panel", probably because i'm too sleepy . ;-(
[01:40] <GoneBoB> Setite: url for xXx trailer?
[01:40] <Setite> your contradicting yourself in a sense
[01:40] <Setite> gonebob... dunno... saw it in the theaters
[01:40] <GoneBoB> you're
[01:40] <GoneBoB> :)
[01:40] <Setite> stop
[01:40] <Setite> grrrr
[01:40] <speel> Dzogi i think you just rigt click on a panel and click add to panel
[01:41] <Setite> but i would assassinate him...
[01:41] <xskoulax> by white guy, i was speaking of the typical white politician
[01:41] <Setite> if a "ghetto" black man was elected
[01:41] <speel> id shoot my self
[01:41] <Dzogi> I know that part :))
[01:41] <xskoulax> i just want an intelligent person running the show
[01:41] <Setite> the problem is that a high percent of blacks are automatically democrat because they automatically believe that republicans are anti welfar and anti black
[01:41] <Setite> i feel the way the democrats treat blacks is worse
[01:42] <Setite> they regard them as mindless and easily controlled
[01:42] <Dzogi> just i can't find "System Tray", named differently ? :)
[01:42] <Setite> which has sadly held true
[01:42] <xskoulax> they all treat black people like shit
[01:42] <speel> bill cosby for pres .. he knows his shit
[01:42] <xskoulax> all they want is your vote
[01:42] <Setite> but he's ugly
[01:42] <gwildor> id vote for the cos
[01:42] <xskoulax> after that its lets help out those coporations
[01:42] <_|Imanewbie|_> Hello folks, does anyone knows where amsn stores user pics?
[01:42] <Setite> yea but their is a difference in the way it is garnered... i mean when i told a black lesbian lady at work i voted bush
[01:42] <Setite> she stopped talkign to me
[01:43] <xskoulax> well she is stupid
[01:43] <Dzogi> i know about "Notification Area" but it's not the same IMO .
[01:43] <Setite> she is annoying and very hard on the eyes so i dont care
[01:43] <gwildor> lol
[01:43] <Setite> but she acts as if i dont exist
[01:43] <Setite> she feels betrayed
[01:43] <Setite> i mean that disgusts me that she feels i should automatically be a democrat because i vote black...
[01:43] <xskoulax> i can't stand bush
[01:43] <Dzogi> http://akregator.sourceforge.net/
[01:43] <xskoulax> but its your vote
[01:43] <Dzogi> ;-(
[01:44] <Setite> if the falsehoods were laid to rest i think more blacks would change their view
[01:44] <xskoulax> at the end of the day if there is a fair vote i guess i'm kool
[01:44] <xskoulax> i'm not sure the current voting system in the us allows that though
[01:44] <Setite> i mean prior to election i argued with them... stating truths about republican stance on many issues that they brought up... they were horribly misinformed on all of them
[01:44] <ogra> guys #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:44] <speel> .. lol is this a ubuntu help room a political chat .. i forgot
[01:44] <Setite> ok im done... David Wallace for president
[01:45] <Setite> xskoulax - i was wondering that since we started
[01:45] <Setite> hehe
[01:45] <speel> hey any unbutu developers in here?
[01:45] <Dzogi> a bug ? :)
[01:46] <speel> nah just wanna see what there up to :)
[01:46] <speel> distro wise
[01:46] <speel> guess not
[01:47] <squeegy> read the mailing list ubuntu-devel
[01:47] <ogra> speel: see all the conference pages on the wiki, the conference just endet at 18th there is a lot of stuff
[01:47] <xskoulax> how was attendance?
[01:47] <ogra> gerat ;)
[01:47] <speel> ah ok thanks ;)
[01:49] <xskoulax> nice
[01:51] <speel> cant wait till the next release :) finally xorg then
[01:51] <xskoulax> anyone know if ati/nvidia are going to do drivers for Xorg
[01:52] <xskoulax> ?
[01:52] <squeegy> the nvidia drivers work for xorg
[01:52] <squeegy> and quite beautifully
[01:52] <ogra> they already committed to do it...not like ati
[01:52] <speel> lol ati
[01:52] <squeegy> especially with RenderAccel turned on and all the composite goodness
[01:54] <Setite> what is xorg
[01:54] <xskoulax> anyways i suppose i ought to go watch the Denver Broncos game, and eat turkey and stuff
[01:54] <Setite> nvm i probably have an explanation in an ebook
[01:58] <etorix> ati are committed to xorg drivers
[01:58] <Setite> really
[01:58] <Setite> thats surprising
[01:58] <Setite> they havent seemed very commited to linux up to this point
[01:59] <etorix> sometime in jan .. apparently
[01:59] <etorix> well check in #ati
[02:00] <etorix> their linux guy runs debian
[02:00] <Setite> ok
[02:00] <Setite> huh?
[02:00] <Setite> who ati's linux guy
[02:00] <ogra> etorix: you know him ?
[02:00] <etorix> im not saying the drivers will work
[02:00] <etorix> no
[02:01] <ogra> sad
[02:01] <Setite> is it too much to ask that they have more than one lonely guy in a closet sized office in the linux department
[02:01] <ogra> you could convince him to ubuntu
[02:01] <ogra> if you knew him....
[02:02] <etorix> ubuntu64 has to work for me first ..
[02:02] <Setite> its not?
[02:02] <etorix> nope
[02:02] <Setite> why
[02:03] <etorix> ok first ting in dmesg is :no method found to access hardware clock
[02:03] <etorix> then theres the nvidia drivers issue
[02:03] <etorix>  this IS hoary array 2
[02:04] <GoneBoB> etorix: I got that once, next time I booted, it worked
[02:04] <etorix> so its a dev version
[02:04] <Setite> hoary... well did it work in warty
[02:04] <Setite> whats the difference between array 1 and 2
[02:04] <etorix> it never worked on mine
[02:04] <etorix> i guess array 2 is newer
[02:05] <etorix> dunno .. its the first iso i try
[02:06] <etorix> im still interested tho .. next time ill do a debootstrap
[02:06] <Cloudchaser> when does hoary come out?
[02:06] <ogra> april
[02:06] <Cloudchaser> yikes
[02:06] <Cloudchaser> i thought it was earlier
[02:07] <Cloudchaser> i'm thinking i have to try yet another distro :(
[02:07] <ogra> come on , its a 6 months release cycle
[02:07] <Cloudchaser> i guess there's no one linux that can do it all
[02:07] <Cloudchaser> i know it is ogra
[02:07] <ogra> what is _it_ ?
[02:07] <Cloudchaser> i just didn't know when the 6 months startead ;)
[02:08] <ogra> in oct....
[02:08] <Cloudchaser> ah
[02:08] <ogra> 4.10
[02:08] <ogra> oct. 2004
[02:08] <Cloudchaser> oh! i see
[02:08] <Cloudchaser> :)
[02:08] <Cloudchaser> well there's 2 things so far i've found i can't do
[02:08] <speel> man i hope ubuntu becomes huge
[02:08] <Cloudchaser> one is browse network and copy files to other pcs via file manager
[02:09] <Cloudchaser> the other is my palm issue
[02:09] <ogra> hmm, works for me
[02:09] <kayali> Cloudchaser: you mean gnome can't browse samba shares?
[02:09] <ogra> i saw your mail....
[02:09] <Cloudchaser> yes
[02:09] <Cloudchaser> but it could on redhat
[02:10] <Cloudchaser> i've been reading people have issue but no solutions
[02:11] <Cloudchaser> and then there's things no linuxes will do...like garmin mapsource
[02:11] <bob2> which bug # did these people file?
[02:11] <Cloudchaser> i don't know whats a bug an whats my own stupidity ;)
[02:12] <speel> lol
[02:12] <Cloudchaser> :)
[02:13] <kquamme94> how's everyone doing?
[02:14] <kayali> Cloudchaser: are you running hoary?
[02:14] <Cloudchaser> no
[02:14] <kayali> I just noticed hoary broke samba browsing for me ;)
[02:15] <Cloudchaser> its broke in warty too
[02:15] <kayali> I can still 'connect to server'
[02:15] <Cloudchaser> least on mine
[02:15] <kayali> though
[02:16] <kquamme94> hey guys, what's the URL for the repository that has all the other codecs and stuff
[02:16] <ogra> Cloudchaser: for your palm (there is a solution in one of the mails in the thread): http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002737.html
[02:16] <kquamme94> that ubuntu can't host
[02:16] <bob2> kquamme94: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:16] <bob2> (that' in the FAQ)
[02:16] <speel> kquamme94: http://www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu/#extrarepositories
[02:17] <Cloudchaser> i read that thread i think..i must have missed the solution
[02:17] <kquamme94> ty......i found it b4 but had to do a reinstall and forgot where it was
[02:17] <speel> its coo :)
[02:18] <ogra> speel: its not, this guide is full of errors and needs urgent correction
[02:18] <ogra> speel: not the repo part tho
[02:19] <speel> what part of it has an error
[02:19] <Cloudchaser> ogra it shows one guy got his treo to sync eventuall with alot of tries
[02:20] <Cloudchaser> but once i hit hte sync button if it doesn't sync the palm hangs
[02:20] <Cloudchaser> and i have to reset it..
[02:20] <Cloudchaser> and thats with the pilot applet that syncs to evolution
[02:20] <Cloudchaser> i tried modprobe usbserial...that had no effect
[02:21] <ogra> speel: about a third of the stuff i saw (and i read only a third of it first time today) ...
[02:21] <speel> oo
[02:21] <Cloudchaser> so there really wasn't any answer in that thread
[02:21] <ogra> speel: i.e. udo ln -s /dev/ttyUSB1 /dev/pilot
[02:21] <ogra> oh, sudo
[02:22] <Cloudchaser> done that
[02:22] <ogra> chopped
[02:22] <bob2> Cloudchaser: what was the subject of the thread you started on the user list?
[02:22] <ogra> Cloudchaser: dont 
[02:22] <ogra> !!
[02:22] <Cloudchaser> why?
[02:22] <drspin> heh - is there a program that offers functionality similar to iTunes...
[02:22] <Cloudchaser> i read 3 other how-to's for it that also said to link to /dev/visor and /dev/palm
[02:22] <drspin> mostly the playlist/file management abilities
[02:22] <GoneBoB> drspin: rhythmbox
[02:22] <Cloudchaser> i did get it to sync...once
[02:22] <ogra> and this one is really bad: sudo gedit /etc/sudoers
[02:23] <etorix> drspin:  several of them try ..
[02:23] <Cloudchaser> but i guess i didn't do the right dance combo again to get it to work a second time
[02:23] <drspin> Rhythmbox doesn't even allow me to press the letter "t" to search to the t's
[02:24] <drspin> I have a HUGE music library and Rhythmbox isn't ready yet! but it's a GREAT start!
[02:24] <drspin> etorix :: for example??
[02:24] <bob2> muine, for example
[02:25] <bob2> I'm yet to see something as useful as cplay, tho
[02:25] <etorix> ok juk , but my favorite is xfmedia .. which comes with xfce4
[02:25] <ogra> speel: this is also a real bad one: Replace with the following line
[02:25] <ogra> your_system_username    ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[02:25] <speel> dor what one is that
[02:26] <ogra> speel: makes your system insecure
[02:26] <Cloudchaser> ogra, the topic was syncing Treo 90 with Jpilot
[02:26] <ogra> Cloudchaser: bob2 asked iirc
[02:26] <bob2> well, it's only a bit less secure than the defaultsudo setup
[02:26] <Cloudchaser> oh
[02:26] <Cloudchaser> :)
[02:26] <ogra> bob2: butnothing to advise in a newbie guide
[02:26] <bob2> I'm not sure why you'd even bother mentioning it
[02:27] <bob2> since by default you have sudo access anyway
[02:27] <LeeColleton> I'm at a loss to get my modem working... it's a cirus logic PnP v34 hardware modem in an ISA slot.  wvdial doesn't pick it up.  Any suggestions?
[02:27] <ogra> bob2: ask the guy that wrote the ubuntuguide, its full of such crap
[02:28] <Cloudchaser> i found alot of useful information in the ubuntu guide
[02:28] <Cloudchaser> i was very grateful for it too
[02:28] <bob2> erk
[02:28] <Cloudchaser> there's a thread in the ubuntu forums where he takes suggestions and corrections i think
[02:28] <bob2> some of the examples are pretty terrible
[02:28] <ogra> yep
[02:29] <ogra> heh: # Follow the instructions on screen till
[02:29] <ogra> [!!]  Partition disks
[02:29] <ogra> so do i first partition my disks befor the next step ???
[02:30] <drspin> muine looks promising... is there a package available for it in the repository/
[02:30] <drspin> ??
[02:30] <bob2> oh, GPL, sanity
[02:30] <ogra> btw: this was under topic: How to use Ubuntu Installation CD, to gain root user access?
[02:31] <LeeColleton> there's nothing in the ubuntuguide about modems :-(
[02:31] <bob2> drspin: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[02:31] <LeeColleton> that seems pretty basic
[02:31] <bob2> LeeColleton: have you asked on the list yet?
[02:31] <bob2> I'm sure whoever wrote it would take a patch
[02:31] <LeeColleton> bob2: no.. I looked over the archives though.  I'll ask there.
[02:32] <ogra> hmmm ....... How to modify kernel boot-up arguments, to gain root user access?
[02:32] <ogra> weird
[02:32] <bob2> oh man
[02:32] <bob2> it explains how to do apt-get upgrade out of cron
[02:32] <ogra> heh
[02:32] <bob2> er, actually, at least the way it's explained it won't actually work
[02:32] <ogra> i get upset if i read it to long.....
[02:33] <ogra> it makes the "just works" approach an absurd thing
[02:34] <Marshall[A] > http://66.131.129.215:8000/listen.pls [BlackBoxz Radio]  [Server Status] :  Server is currently up and public.
[02:35] <Cloudchaser> ogra what do you mean?
[02:35] <bob2> Marshall[A] : go away
[02:36] <Cloudchaser> some things just work in ubuntu and thats really good..but somethings don't "just work" until you do something more ;)
[02:36] <ogra> Cloudchaser: ubuntu has commited itself to make everything "just work" and to offer easy to use tools for all tasks...lots of them are already there
[02:36] <bob2> which should be fixed
[02:36] <bob2> please file bugs
[02:36] <Cloudchaser> from what i've seen so far...its doing very well so far
[02:37] <ogra> Cloudchaser: but the guide just igores this
[02:37] <Cloudchaser> how so ogra?
[02:37] <speel> ubuntu is the shiznas its the only distro that makes everything work except for the broken cds they sent me lol
[02:37] <Cloudchaser> things like media and java and stuff have to be added separately cause of licensing
[02:37] <ogra> Cloudchaser: so the approach is useless because nobody uses the tools, asks for enhancements or files bugs
[02:38] <Cloudchaser> what tools?
[02:38] <bob2> speel: er, are you sure?
[02:38] <Cloudchaser> i'd file some bugs if i know they were bugs and not me being stupid or ignorant
[02:38] <Cloudchaser> but i don't know alot of times
[02:38] <speel> yea .. well there not broken but things dont work
[02:39] <bob2> for example?
[02:39] <Cloudchaser> because on red hat 9 for example..i install samba
[02:39] <Cloudchaser> and i can browse the network and copy things to shares via the file manager
[02:39] <Cloudchaser> but in ubuntu i can't
[02:39] <speel> well for exaple applications would close for no reason and ive tryed diffrent cds they sent me all the same issue cept for the one cd which i burned my self
[02:39] <ogra> Cloudchaser: if you install samba you install a server....
[02:39] <bob2> Cloudchaser: no, that isn't samba
[02:40] <ogra> Cloudchaser: has nothing to do with network browsing
[02:40] <bob2> speel: do the md5sums of the cds match?
[02:40] <Cloudchaser> i did that ogra and from command line i can do things but not from file manager or from the network browser
[02:40] <speel> ah i dident check =/
[02:40] <Cloudchaser> ogra thats where my ignorance comes into play
[02:40] <ogra> Cloudchaser: did you file a bug about that ?
[02:40] <ogra> Cloudchaser: so it can get fixed ?
[02:41] <Cloudchaser> because i don't know what it is that is wrong
[02:41] <Cloudchaser> "it doesn't work" isn't a good way to file a bug ;)
[02:41] <ogra> Cloudchaser: thats not your job....its up to the devs
[02:41] <Cloudchaser> i read in the forums that many have the same problem
[02:41] <ogra> Cloudchaser: but if they dont know about it....
[02:41] <Cloudchaser> ah ok..many times when folks say something doesn't work
[02:41] <ogra> they miss to file bugs
[02:42] <Cloudchaser> people want more info and get kind of touchy because you didn't provide it
[02:42] <Cloudchaser> so i get kind of leery of getting jumped on ;)
[02:42] <Cloudchaser> ok so i'm at the bugzilla
[02:42] <Cloudchaser> now...you say its not samba thats the problem
[02:43] <Cloudchaser> so i search on...'network browsing' for one?
[02:43] <ogra> Cloudchaser: nobody in ubuntu will get "touchy": http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[02:43] <ogra> Cloudchaser: the filemanager is called nautilus :)
[02:43] <drspin> sigh - another wait for all my songs to add -- I'm trying muine...
[02:44] <Cloudchaser> :is that the network browsing thing too? thats nautilus?
[02:44] <bob2> cplay!
[02:44] <ogra> yep
[02:44] <Cloudchaser> nautilus smb browsing in hoary fails to show files
[02:45] <Cloudchaser> ok there's one reported
[02:45] <Cloudchaser> nautilus crash when writing on smbfs
[02:45] <ogra> Cloudchaser: but you are using warty....
[02:45] <ogra> i guess
[02:45] <Cloudchaser> yes
[02:45] <ogra> so its only reported for hoary currently
[02:45] <Cloudchaser> oh
[02:46] <Cloudchaser> is there a different place?
[02:46] <Cloudchaser> to report it for hoary?
[02:46] <bob2> no
[02:46] <ogra> regading that you say that many ppl have this bug thats really sad
[02:46] <Cloudchaser> i did searches to see if i could find an answer
[02:47] <Cloudchaser> but no answer, just questions
[02:48] <ogra> thats my point, obviously nobody reported it for warty, now warty is stable and recieves only security updates.....
[02:48] <ogra> ...sad thing
[02:48] <Cloudchaser> oh i see
[02:48] <Cloudchaser> i just got ubuntu couple weeks ago
[02:48] <Cloudchaser> and was so impressed it detected everything on my old laptop ;)
[02:48] <ogra> :)
[02:48] <Cloudchaser> even my wireless
[02:49] <ogra> wow, great to hear
[02:49] <Cloudchaser> and my usb mouse and then my corless mouse
[02:49] <Cloudchaser> and i love the way it looks
[02:49] <ogra> so its olny these two issues ?
[02:49] <Cloudchaser> so if i'm complaining its just because...i'm going farther with it :)
[02:49] <Cloudchaser> so far those two only
[02:50] <Cloudchaser> see...i lost all my palm info cause after i re-did my laptop i discovered i had forgotten to save the palm back up
[02:50] <Cloudchaser> then...i lost all my data ;)
[02:50] <Cloudchaser> so now
[02:50] <Cloudchaser> i want to install all my apps to the palm again
[02:50] <Cloudchaser> and sync regularly and make backups to my new SD card that santa brought me
[02:50] <ogra> :)
[02:51] <Cloudchaser> and i have a big hard drive my son got me that holds files and other apps that don't work on windows
[02:51] <Cloudchaser> i mean don't work in linux
[02:51] <Cloudchaser> like my gps apps
[02:52] <Cloudchaser> when hoary goes stable...i'll report any bugs i find ;)
[02:52] <Cloudchaser> but until april i'm thinking i'm just stuck
[02:53] <ogra> do it in feb or march... if its stable the same situation as it is for warty now applies
[02:54] <GoneBoB> Cloudchaser: the whole point of unstable is the have bugs
[02:54] <GoneBoB> then they're reported
[02:54] <GoneBoB> and fixed
[02:54] <Cloudchaser> oh ok so upgrade to hoary in february?
[02:54] <Cloudchaser> is there a list of hoary bug reports?
[02:54] <GoneBoB> yes
[02:54] <Cloudchaser> i'd like to see if it was reported in that
[02:54] <GoneBoB> at bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:54] <ogra> Cloudchaser: that would be a good way... its more stable then, but you also can help
[02:54] <GoneBoB> iirc
[02:55] <Cloudchaser> thats where i am ogra
[02:56] <Setite> i dont understand bug reports
[02:56] <Setite> ive seen some i do
[02:56] <Setite> but one was a bunch of nonsense and seemingly no words
[02:57] <ogra> Setite: if you make one, make it as you like ;)
[02:57] <bob2> "bunch of nonsense"?
[02:58] <Setite> yea
[02:58] <Setite> it was like an error output
[02:58] <Setite> but from my view i had no idea what went wrong
[02:58] <Setite> i wasnt able to decipher what file/device/program or anything had what problem
[02:58] <spacey`ki> hello
[03:00] <speel> hi
[03:00] <Crane|AFK> hello all
[03:00] <speel> hi
[03:00] <Crane|AFK> evrery one had a good christmas?
[03:00] <Setite> sure
[03:00] <speel> yup yup
[03:00] <Setite> my folks are watching a christmas carol for like the 50th time in their lives
[03:00] <jono> hi all
[03:00] <jono> merry christmas
[03:01] <Crane> hello
[03:01] <Setite> happy corporately influenced consumer driven holidays
[03:01] <Setite> ;)
[03:01] <jono> I have changes sources.list to hoary, and when I update and dist upgrade, I can't download linux-restricted-modules for some reason - it gives a 404 on it, any clues?
[03:02] <bob2> your mirror may be broken
[03:02] <bob2> or in the midle of a mirror pulse
[03:02] <Crane> I think I'm gonna paly a littel quake3
[03:02] <GoneBoB> what version
[03:02] <Crane> little
[03:02] <jono> its archive.ubuntu.com
[03:03] <Riddell> jono: which linux-restricted-modules, there are many
[03:03] <jono> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9
[03:03] <drspin> so far I like muine --
[03:03] <drspin> wish it played AAC and did some file management stuff --
[03:04] <Riddell> jono: there's five of them, which one are you getting?
[03:04] <jono> thats the name of the package
[03:05] <Cloudchaser> ok here's a question..if i go to the "computer/network i can see my shares, but haven't mounted them yet...should i be able to use the file manager to copy files to/from or do they need to be mounted?
[03:06] <jono> any ideas?
[03:06] <bob2> AAC's a fairly unsupportable format
[03:06] <jono> no idea why it won't see the package
[03:06] <bob2> it's best to stick to things that aren't quite so heavily encumbered
[03:06] <bob2> jono: just wait a bit
[03:06] <bob2> jono: if it's not fixed soon, check if you're behind a broken proxy
[03:06] <jono> bob2, ok, I will upgrade tomorrow
[03:06] <ogra> Cloudchaser: you just need to open the shares... they mount automatically (normally)
[03:06] <jono> bob2, I am not behind a proxy
[03:06] <jono> have a good christmas all
[03:07] <Riddell> jono: there's no linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1, but there is linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1-386 and 686 etc
[03:07] <Cloudchaser> they mount automatically without me having to have an fstab entry?
[03:07] <drspin> why can't I get my resolution to 1152x864 @85hz?? it works in windws
[03:07] <jono> Riddell, this is 2.6.9-1 386
[03:07] <ogra> Cloudchaser: if you see them already, very likely yes
[03:07] <drspin> max it will show me it 1024x768
[03:08] <bob2> I'm pretty sure nautilus doesn't mount them
[03:08] <jono> hmm
[03:08] <bob2> it just makes them available via gnome-vfs
[03:08] <Cloudchaser> ok i can see the shares but when i double click on one it pops up message: The folder contents could not be displayed. You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Windows Network: chrisibm".
[03:08] <ogra> k, true, but it appears as they are mounted
[03:09] <Cloudchaser> ok so then i mount them via the command line
[03:09] <Cloudchaser> then i can ls the contents
[03:09] <Cloudchaser> and i can cp a file to it
[03:09] <stuNNed> anyone else having troubles with ssh in unstable?
[03:09] <ogra> Cloudchaser: if you make an fstab entry, you can also see / mount them from the disks window
[03:10] <Riddell> jono: hang on a couple of minutes, I'll see if I can download it
[03:10] <jono> Riddell, cheers
[03:10] <bob2> stuNNed: if they had, they'd have reported it to the bts...
[03:11] <drspin> do you have to be a member to get Cadega (wineX) now???
[03:11] <jono> hi neuro_
[03:12] <ogra> drspin: was it ever free.... ?
[03:12] <bob2> drspin: you have to pay for binaries, yes
[03:12] <spacey`ki> funny thing wierd timezone shit. its too late around here. /me zz:)
[03:12] <neuro_> Nollaig Chridheil and all that :)
[03:12] <drspin> ogra: aye - it used to be free right when they came out with point-2-play -- used to use it all the time!
[03:12] <jono> neuro_, :)
[03:12] <ogra> spacey`ki: 3:12 here
[03:12] <spacey`ki> same herE:)
[03:12] <Cloudchaser> ok ogra i mounted the share
[03:12] <bob2> you can download some of the source from SF
[03:12] <neuro_> 2:12 here
[03:12] <spacey`ki> guess i'm just a bit too wasted then to find it late:)
[03:12] <Riddell> neuro_: and a happy boxing day tae yersel
[03:13] <drspin> I need the whole thing...
[03:13] <ogra> Cloudchaser: fine :)
[03:13] <drspin> LOL
[03:13] <Cloudchaser> but in the "Disks" it shows "windows network"
[03:13] <bob2> and they had claimed they would free the whole thing after a certain number of copies were bought
[03:13] <neuro_> woo, boxing day
[03:13] <Cloudchaser> and i can't access it
[03:13] <Riddell> jono: works perfectly for me
[03:13] <jono> Riddell, really?
[03:13] <Riddell> jono: try and apt-get update maybe?
[03:13] <drspin> bob2 -- and no one is buying them because they, like me, will wait till it's free ;)
[03:14] <Cloudchaser> if i go to filesystem/mnt/share..it shows nothing
[03:14] <gwildor> hi
[03:14] <Riddell> hmm, I seem to have just installed a new linux build, if my computer won't boot any more I'll blame jono
[03:14] <gwildor> how do i take a screenshot from terminal?
[03:14] <Cloudchaser> i guess i have to wait and in the meantime...sneakernet ;(
[03:14] <neuro_> Riddell: blame jono for anything - it's prolly his fault regardless :>
[03:14] <ogra> Cloudchaser: post your fstab/mount line for the share
[03:15] <Cloudchaser> i did it manually...i'll try the fstab entry next
[03:15] <jono> heh
[03:15] <jono> I am doing an apt-get update and its still missing this package
[03:15] <drspin> how can I be sure that my Nvidia install was successful and the display will work properly?
[03:15] <ogra> Cloudchaser: i think you have to mount it with a umask option to make it accessible
[03:15] <neuro_> drspin: you'll see the nvidia logo pop up full screen before X fires up
[03:15] <Cloudchaser> i did
[03:15] <spacey`ki> hmz in hoary i can play music in rhythembox but xine and totem don't make any sound
[03:15] <huttan> drspin, glxinfo |grep string
[03:15] <spacey`ki> ;/
[03:16] <Riddell> jono: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1-386 ?
[03:16] <Cloudchaser> ,dmask=777,fmask=777
[03:16] <ogra> k
[03:16] <ogra> probably umask=000
[03:17] <jono> its definitly missing 2.6.9-1-386
[03:18] <xhaker> whats the current kernel on hoary?
[03:18] <gwildor> how do i take a screenshot from terminal?
[03:19] <drspin> Cadega, the latest version of winex from transgaming.com, cvs download is free. (http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-22057.html)
[03:19] <ogra> gwildor: either take the whole screen and edit it with gimp
[03:20] <gwildor> ogra, idk how to take a screen shot
[03:20] <ogra> gwildor: or take gimp and take a shot from the single win
[03:20] <ogra> gwildor: in warty its in the computer menu
[03:20] <ogra> gwildor: in gimp in the file/acquire menu
[03:20] <gwildor> ogra, im on hoary, and i need to take a SS of my flux setup
[03:21] <gwildor> ogra, kk, ill try gimp
[03:21] <spacey`ki> i think 2.6.9-1 is latest kernel on hoary
[03:21] <drspin> a Cadega CVS howto:: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?page=1&articleid=45
[03:21] <spacey`ki> ogra, i think alt+ print screen takes screenshot of selected windows
[03:21] <spacey`ki> at least it was screen+somekey
[03:22] <ogra> spacey`ki: in fluxbox ?
[03:22] <drspin> spacey -- that's the ubuntu default ;)
[03:22] <spacey`ki> ogra, works here in gnome:)
[03:22] <ogra> spacey`ki: fluxbox is not gnome
[03:22] <spacey`ki> drspin, i don't know. it seems to work here in ubuntu yes:)
[03:22] <spacey`ki> oh i missed that he was using fluxbox
[03:22] <ogra> not at all
[03:22] <ogra> :)
[03:22] <spacey`ki> but its too late for me:)
[03:23] <spacey`ki> goodnight people:)
[03:23] <ogra> night and merry xmas....
[03:23] <spacey`ki> marry xmas:)
[03:23] <spacey`ki> uhm merry
[03:23] <spacey`ki> :)
[03:28] <edmond> Has anyone had problems with wacom tablets (Graphire), still sticking to the top right after blacklisting evdev?
[03:29] <ogra> edmond: there are bugs about it...look in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:29] <edmond> ok thanks
[03:31] <liquidboy> can anyone tell me, you know how with windows if you want to partition the hd, you have to defrag first, well will i have to do anything to ubuntu (i want to partition again)
[03:31] <edmond> as far as I know, ext3 doesn't fragment, so no worries
[03:31] <edmond> well, doesn't need defragmented
[03:34] <ogra> edmond: seems you have to work a little more to get it to work :(  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WacomTabletIssue
[03:35] <DeepSpaceAnt> I can't fake it, just break it, and when I take it See I specialize in making all the girls get naked
[03:35] <DeepSpaceAnt> ahem..
[03:38] <stuNNed> lol
[03:42] <liquidboy> ok, sweet, just for future refer3ence, what about rieser (spelling?)
[03:42] <UHA-Ultrahex> hey
[03:42] <Agrajag> I'd recommend reiser3 over ext3
[03:42] <Agrajag> reiser4, I haven't tried, wouldn't trust it yet
[03:44] <Setite> damn my next upgrade is gonna cost 671.87
[03:44] <Setite> ouch
[03:44] <UHA-Ultrahex> ok, during Ubuntu install , is there a partition setup area where it setups partitions if you dont want to use the entire Disk
[03:44] <Setite> ah well.. it must be done
[03:47] <Setite> agra
[03:47] <Setite> whats reiser3
[03:47] <Setite> a format?
[03:47] <liquidboy> uha: yes there is, but you might want to use something else if youre a noob... i found it quite confusing (so i just used my mandrake 9 cd to make partitions :P)
[03:48] <Setite> how many formats are there for linux?
[03:48] <UHA-Ultrahex> hehe , i was gonna do mandrake but then my CDS failed
[03:48] <UHA-Ultrahex> and then i said fuck it ill just bring back to store and demand a refund
[03:49] <edmond> ogra: Step 2 doesn't work for me, so I'm stuck. The later steps rely on step 2
[03:49] <UHA-Ultrahex> 10 min and i got Ubuntu
[03:50] <UHA-Ultrahex> is there a partition program for Linux like the one for mandrake (alright if its mode dos style) but im just wondering cause it would be alot of help :)
[03:51] <Setite> is there partition magic for linux?>
[03:51] <edmond> QTparted
[03:51] <UHA-Ultrahex> ya something like that :)
[03:51] <UHA-Ultrahex> or fdisk
[03:51] <UHA-Ultrahex> hehe
[03:51] <ogra> edmond: is the evdev driver not loaded anymore and it doesnt work ?
[03:52] <liquidboy> yep, im pretty sure you can set up partitions during the install...
[03:52] <gwildor> yeah, you can
[03:52] <UHA-Ultrahex> ok thanx
[03:52] <gwildor> UHA-Ultrahex, you can
[03:52] <gwildor> i jsut did it
[03:52] <UHA-Ultrahex> if this doesnt go smooth ill just do some QTparted
[03:52] <UHA-Ultrahex> lol
[03:52] <UHA-Ultrahex> its jsut cause i dont want it to take my entire 160GB
[03:52] <UHA-Ultrahex> lol
[03:52] <UHA-Ultrahex> rather have like 40GB for Linux and rest FAT32 Mounted
[03:52] <ogra> UHA-Ultrahex: but why
[03:53] <edmond> orga: Originally the evdev driver always loaded, now it never loads. And in both cases, the wacom driver was doing the stuck in corner dance
[03:53] <ogra> UHA-Ultrahex: 160  are good for unbuntu *g*
[03:53] <UHA-Ultrahex> ogra: cause im not sure if i want to use linux yet :)
[03:53] <Setite> im ordering a 200giger...
[03:53] <ogra> UHA-Ultrahex: i was just joking
[03:53] <Setite> and then another 200giger in 2 weeks
[03:53] <UHA-Ultrahex> oh ... hehe ogra
[03:54] <Setite> and then after that i may go for some big ones
[03:54] <UHA-Ultrahex> why not just buy a triple terabyte ?
[03:54] <UHA-Ultrahex> its like 2500
[03:54] <Setite> you crazy
[03:54] <ogra> edmond: gets the wacom driver loaded ?
[03:54] <Setite> i dont need that much later...
[03:54] <Setite> yet i mean
[03:54] <UHA-Ultrahex> lol
[03:54] <edmond> ogra: the wacom driver loads
[03:54] <UHA-Ultrahex> so , you will need it you just said didnt you ;)
[03:55] <Setite> efh grso;fgfsdg
[03:55] <UHA-Ultrahex> hahhahaha
[03:55] <edmond> ogra: Im building a new kernel with a patch from bugzilla now
[03:55] <ogra> edmond: what if you load evdev amnually after the wacom driver ?
[03:55] <Setite> but 400 gigs will be enough for now
[03:55] <Setite> problem is i dont know if there will be enough things to fill it on linux
[03:55] <UHA-Ultrahex> i only got 260...
[03:55] <edmond> ogra: it just sits and is still stuck in the corner
[03:55] <ogra> edmond: the site says its just the load order
[03:56] <edmond> ogra: I know :(
[03:56] <ogra> edmond: even you wouldnt need to blacklist ....
[03:56] <valentina> is there some Modconf for Ubuntu? (like debian)
[03:56] <edmond> ogra: pardon?
[03:56] <valentina> I want to know if there's some usb driver
[03:56] <ogra> edmond: the right order in /etc/modules should do it too
[03:57] <Setite> ogra - right order?
[03:57] <edmond> ogra: oh, shall try
[03:57] <Setite> is there an order things must be in /etc/modules
[03:57] <ogra> Setite: the prob is that evdev is loaded before wacom....
[03:57] <edmond> UHA-Ultrahex: geeks - nerd implies socially retarded in some definitions :d
[03:57] <Setite> uha - join the club... in a windows person.. this is all greek to me
[03:57] <sime> is there a php mysql module in ubuntu ?
[03:57] <Setite> hmmm... is the order what we messed up yesterday on carajeans pc?
[03:57] <edmond> sime: yes
[03:58] <UHA-Ultrahex> 2 min
[03:58] <ogra> Setite: nope, we didnt mess up anything...
[03:58] <Setite> we meaning me and cara
[03:58] <valentina> I plug my usb pendrive but it seems Ubuntu doesnt recognize it
[03:58] <ogra> Setite: it was just a typo in the config file anywhere....
[03:58] <edmond> sime: sudo apt-get install mysql-server php4-mysql php4
[03:58] <valentina> do I need to load some driver? if so, how do I?
[03:58] <Setite> well then he made that mistake
[03:59] <Setite> i think he was typing things in individually
[03:59] <Setite> instead of copying and pasting
[03:59] <ogra> valentina: is it in the device manager ?
[03:59] <sime> apt-cache search php4-mysql is empty
[03:59] <ogra> Setite: if he was on another pc its hard to copy n paste
[03:59] <Setite> not the first time around
[04:00] <edmond> sime: sorry my mistake. no need for it. I was just guessing from memory + apt-cache
[04:00] <Setite> first time around he was on ubuntu so he could have copied and pasted
[04:00] <valentina> ogra : let me see
[04:00] <Setite> but judging from how long it took him to respond each time he was off in his own world doing god knows what
[04:00] <sime> edmond, Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect()
[04:01] <Setite> ok livecd is almost done... gonna be restarting
[04:01] <valentina> ogra : I have connected it but device manager doesnt say anything about it
[04:01] <Setite> is gaim on the ubuntu livecd?
[04:01] <ogra> sime: libapache2-mod-php4
[04:01] <valentina> it just says 'usb hub interface, controller, etc'
[04:01] <Setite> shit... its not gonna have mp3 support is it
[04:01] <edmond> sime: bugger.. I havn't tested my conf. Lookup the faq in the chatroom title
[04:01] <Setite> damn
[04:01] <edmond> sime: it has the details
[04:01] <gwildor> Setite, yeah
[04:01] <Setite> there was no use burning the mp3 cd
[04:01] <ogra> sime: ubuntu uses apache2
[04:01] <sime> ogra, php works
[04:02] <Setite> ok brb... gonna boot to the live cd
[04:02] <ogra> sime: so install php4-mysql
[04:02] <sime> is doesn't exist
[04:02] <ogra> sime: should be enough
[04:02] <sime> it*
[04:03] <ogra> sime: on my warty it does...
[04:03] <edmond> sime: it works here
[04:03] <valentina> ogra  any idea?
[04:03] <ogra> sime: is ubiverse enabled ?
[04:03] <sime> explain...
[04:03] <ogra> valentina: tried plugging out and in again ?`
[04:03] <valentina> ogra : I tried, nothing happens
[04:04] <ogra> sime: sorry, universe i mean: see the second screenshot: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[04:04] <ogra> valentina: thats bad.... at least the device manager should show it
[04:05] <valentina> it should show what?
[04:05] <valentina> what should it say ?
[04:05] <valentina> "pendrive connected" or something like that ?
[04:05] <ogra> valentina: your usb stick
[04:05] <valentina> ok
[04:05] <valentina> I'm going to check if USB support is enabled on the bios configuration
[04:05] <valentina> and come back
[04:05] <ogra> valentina: the dev manager has a tree in it... it sould appear there
[04:06] <ogra> k
[04:07] <sime> ogra, im just starting to understand ubuntu's philosophy, i never checked out sources.list, so standard ubuntu only updates security threats
[04:07] <ogra> sime: yep... but universe holds 14000 packages for your fun :)
[04:08] <Setite> this sucks
[04:08] <Setite> im stuck in 640x480
[04:08] <ogra> sime: there is also a mulitverse for legal suspicious software.....
[04:09] <Setite> i saw during the load that it saw the 1024,768 or something....
[04:09] <Setite> why cant i change it
[04:09] <ogra> Setite: your display wasnt probably not detected correctly
[04:10] <Setite> then why did i see the proper resolutions found during loading
[04:10] <Setite> this isnt cool
[04:11] <ogra> Setite: when do you see them ?
[04:11] <Setite> when it said something about my video card... and it said somethign abotu xfree86 vesa driver
[04:11] <Setite> then i saw it list 3 resolutions
[04:11] <ogra> Setite: vesa ?
[04:11] <Setite> 1024x768 800x600 640x480
[04:11] <Setite> yes it said vesa
[04:12] <ogra> Setite: what kind of card is that ?
[04:12] <Setite> every linux ive ran used vesa something to start
[04:12] <Setite> its some intel onboard crap
[04:12] <ogra> Setite: ah, ok
[04:12] <Setite> but on my 6800gt on my other pc a vesa driver loaded by default
[04:12] <Setite> for the livecd im screwed arent i
[04:12] <Setite> no way to fix this?
[04:12] <ogra> tried ctrl-alt-(numpad +/-) ?
[04:13] <Setite> this is a pain
[04:13] <Setite> nothing
[04:14] <ogra> Setite: you are on the live cd ?
[04:14] <Setite> yea
[04:14] <Setite> i decided to try it out
[04:15] <Setite> ive officially experienced my first hardware detection problems
[04:15] <Setite> it wont mount my dvd drive either
[04:15] <ogra> Setite: the next one will be better, i got no idea how to fix it, but i know the improvements that are made right now
[04:16] <Setite> see this one has better things than the suse one
[04:16] <Setite> but the suse worked
[04:17] <EfaistOs> is vim-gtk will be available again soon  ?
[04:17] <Setite> grrr... i want to play tetris but i cant see the whole thing
[04:17] <ogra> EfaistOs: i currently work with it
[04:17] <ogra> EfaistOs: so it is there obviously
[04:18] <ogra> EfaistOs: ah, sorry, its vim-gnome
[04:18] <Setite> i cant even see all of synaptic
[04:18] <Setite> i like the gui idea though
[04:18] <Setite> using YUM in the terminal was a bitch
[04:18] <ogra> EfaistOs: but gtk is also there
[04:19] <EfaistOs> ogra weird .... hoary ?
[04:19] <Setite> ogra... is there a chance it may work better on a restart?
[04:19] <ogra> Setite: its much better at higher res
[04:19] <ogra> EfaistOs: nope, warty
[04:19] <valentina> ogra : it's enabled on the bios
[04:19] <valentina> I've tried with 2 different usb pendrives
[04:19] <EfaistOs> ogra ??
[04:19] <valentina> and nothing happens
[04:19] <ogra> EfaistOs: i use warty
[04:19] <Setite> i know this is killing me... 640x480 reminds me of windows 3.11
[04:20] <valentina> does Ubuntu support USB pendrives by default ?
[04:20] <ogra> valentina: not even in the dev manager ?
[04:20] <Setite> ooh yea... lemme plug in my usb stick mp3 player
[04:20] <valentina> not even in the dev manager.. the dev manager only says "Usb 1.0 controller"
[04:20] <ogra> valentina: it mounts them by default, shows them on the desktop and opens a filemanager win
[04:20] <valentina> it's weird
[04:21] <valentina> is there some 'modconf' tool in Ubuntu ?
[04:21] <Setite> ok i plugged it in
[04:21] <ogra> valentina: works on all systems here
[04:21] <valentina> maybe I need to load some modules
[04:21] <Setite> and then it the cd got active
[04:21] <Setite> but it did nothing
[04:21] <ogra> valentina: nope, no modconf
[04:21] <Setite> holy shit
[04:22] <Setite> it reads ntfs by default?!!!!
[04:22] <ogra> valentina: they should be already there... if you see your usb controller in the device manager
[04:22] <ogra> Setite: sure
[04:22] <valentina> ogra : it sounds like it's a computer problem ?
[04:22] <ogra> Setite: the live cd has a bug with hotplugging
[04:22] <ogra> valentina: did you change anything in the system ?
[04:23] <Setite> hotplugging?
[04:23] <Setite> oh ok
[04:23] <Setite> yea it wont play any movies so far
[04:23] <Setite> but they are probably divx
[04:23] <EfaistOs> where do u choose the login splash ?
[04:23] <ogra> Setite: no codecs
[04:23] <ArChoNKoG> sup guys i just install ubuntu X can't start
[04:23] <ogra> EfaistOs: the login screen or the splash after it ?
[04:23] <Setite> none at all
[04:23] <valentina> ogra : no
[04:24] <Setite> can it play anything?
[04:24] <ogra> Setite: all free codecs....
[04:24] <Setite> well at least it mounts
[04:24] <EfaistOs> ogra the splash after
[04:24] <ogra> valentina: do you see the message that hotplug starts while it boots ?
[04:25] <Setite> btw i like xchat
[04:25] <valentina> valentina@servidor:~ $ dmesg  | grep hot
[04:25] <valentina> cpci_hotplug: CompactPCI Hot Plug Core version: 0.2
[04:25] <valentina> pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5
[04:25] <valentina> ogra : is that the answer ?
[04:25] <ArChoNKoG> how come when i install ubuntu it didn't ask me to make a root passwd
[04:25] <ogra> EfaistOs: in gconf-editor go to /apps/gnome-session/options
[04:25] <valentina> though ps aux | grep hot doesnt display anything
[04:26] <ogra> ArChoNKoG: root is disabled
[04:26] <ogra> ArChoNKoG: ubuntu uses sudo
[04:26] <ArChoNKoG> i see
[04:26] <ogra> ArChoNKoG: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:27] <ogra> valentina: nope, i mean if hotplud shows up on boot...
[04:27] <ogra> hotplug
[04:27] <ArChoNKoG> ogra: would you know why X won't startx ?
[04:27] <valentina> i dont really know
[04:27] <valentina> should I check it out?
[04:28] <ogra> valentina: either its a HW prob or hotplug doesnt get started proper i think....i cant imagine anything else atm (mybe because its 04:28 am here)
[04:29] <valentina> wow
[04:29] <valentina> sorry if im taking your time off
[04:29] <ogra> ArChoNKoG: it didnt detect your X ?
[04:29] <valentina> thank you anyway
[04:29] <Crane> whew
[04:29] <ogra> valentina: i'm not forced to answer ;)
[04:29] <Crane> nothing like a couple of games of quake3 to get the blood moving
[04:29] <valentina> thank you
[04:29] <Setite> why doesnt synaptic work on the livecd
[04:29] <valentina> well, I'm going to check it hotplug starts properly
[04:29] <valentina> thank you ogra , bye
[04:29] <ogra> bye
[04:29] <Setite> i was hoping to try and get the mpg123 plugin installed
[04:30] <drspin> what do you all suggest for firewall
[04:30] <Crane> my hot plug just quit working today
[04:30] <Crane> I haven't rebooted yet though
[04:30] <drspin> <<< computer has to be on for about 5 mins before his hotplug will work
[04:31] <ogra> drspin: what for do you need a firewall?
[04:31] <Crane> drspin does that include not in a suspend state
[04:31] <Crane> ?
[04:31] <drspin> fun!
[04:31] <Crane> to keep out fire
[04:31] <EfaistOs> why my video are all green ?? weird ..
[04:32] <EfaistOs> i mean i'm trying some videos i already watched but now they are all green ...
[04:32] <drspin> Crane: from a coldboot it takes about 5 mins before I have to reboot so my hotplug will work... just a reboot it still works ;)
[04:32] <Crane> cool thanks
[04:32] <Crane> is there a way to restart hotplug?
[04:32] <drspin> Crane: that was my next question ;)
[04:32] <Crane> just wondering, don't really need to
[04:33] <EfaistOs> ogra, an idea ?
[04:33] <ogra> nope....did you install anything ?
[04:33] <ogra> video wise?
[04:33] <ArChoNKoG> how can i search for drivers
[04:33] <ogra> ArChoNKoG: drivers ?
[04:34] <ArChoNKoG> yea i need nvidia drivers for my 6800
[04:34] <edmond> ArChoNKoG: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:34] <ogra> ArChoNKoG: firdt see that you get configured your X that it works, the just install the ubuntu nvidia packages
[04:34] <edmond> ArChoNKoG: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:34] <EfaistOs> just  fglrx-driver but the 3D acceleration didnt work so i removed it
[04:35] <crimsun> is the 'restricted' repo enabled by default?
[04:35] <ogra> ArChoNKoG: you should really configure first
[04:35] <EfaistOs> ogra and and vim-gnome that's all ;p
[04:35] <drspin> %sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[04:35] <ogra> EfaistOs: so that makes me suspect its the fglrx-driver
[04:36] <EfaistOs> ogra, but i removed it it's not loaded i checked
[04:36] <ogra> crimsun: i think so
[04:36] <crimsun> ogra: k
[04:36] <Cloudchaser> ok ogra...i set my fstab file and from command line can copy files to the share...trying it now in the file browser but so far having no luck...writing down what happens as i do it
[04:37] <crimsun> ArChoNKoG: dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`|grep ^ii
[04:37] <ogra> crimsun: main restricted is the default line i think
[04:37] <crimsun> ah crap
[04:37] <ogra> ArChoNKoG: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:37] <Crane> just found somthing inseresting
[04:38] <Crane> interesting
[04:38] <Crane> I have two memory sticks
[04:38] <Crane> 1 is standard memory stick the other a memory stick pro
[04:39] <Crane> when I plug in my 1st memory stick all goes well.
[04:39] <Crane> the second just doesn't work
[04:39] <Crane> usb reader
[04:39] <Crane> hmmmmm
[04:39] <drspin> did you catch my hotplug restart command??
[04:39] <Crane> nope sorry
[04:40] <Crane> I see it
[04:40] <drspin> "sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart"
[04:40] <ogra> ArCHoNKoG: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:40] <ogra> drspin: loads all your modules
[04:40] <ArCHoNKoG> out of all distro this is the only one that works for me sofar
[04:40] <ArCHoNKoG> thanks alot ogra
[04:40] <ogra> :)
[04:40] <ArCHoNKoG> i swear man
[04:41] <drspin> ogra: what?
[04:41] <ogra> drspin: for the usb devices restart dbus-1
[04:41] <ArCHoNKoG> my usb sound headphone work
[04:41] <ArCHoNKoG> this is the shit
[04:41] <ogra> drspin: not hotplug
[04:41] <ogra> heh
[04:42] <drspin> ogra: I restart the hotplug interface about 5 mins after I boot my system so it will work - can't do anything with the mouse or ANY USB device until then
[04:42] <Crane> ArCH: how many have you tried?
[04:42] <ogra> drspin: its a module issue then
[04:43] <Crane> hmmm nope still not working with the memory stick pro
[04:43] <drspin> ogra: I had the same experience with a 2.4 kernal on my Suse and Gentoo installs
[04:43] <ArCHoNKoG> Crane, slackware gentoo debian crux arch
[04:43] <ArCHoNKoG> Crane,  went me to keep going ?
[04:43] <ogra> drspin: did it work _anywhere_ ?
[04:43] <Crane> lol
[04:43] <Crane> nah
[04:43] <Crane> This distro is one of the best I have tried as well
[04:44] <ogra> Crane: one of ?
[04:44] <ArCHoNKoG> alright is there a howto so i can keep ot up today
[04:44] <Crane> ok ok it's the best
[04:44] <crimsun> ArCHoNKoG: see the topic
[04:44] <ogra> ArCHoNKoG: a howto ?
[04:44] <Crane> I must be, I'm going to make it my main distro tomorrow
[04:44] <drspin> Ogra: it will not work until long after the system is fully booted and I restart the hotplug interface
[04:44] <ArCHoNKoG> guys i need to give some respect to where ubuntu is based on
[04:45] <ArCHoNKoG> not the best one of the best
[04:45] <ogra> drspin: did it work on other systems ?
[04:45] <Crane> I = It
[04:45] <regeya> anyone here ever tried to use epson's drivers on their system?  I've got the spr800 cups driver installed, and while it installs fine, and seems to detect the printer, nothing ever happens.  also, ekpstm tells me that ekpd isn't running, even when it is.
[04:45] <Cloudchaser> oh cool..files copied!
[04:45] <toptnc>            CPU0
[04:45] <toptnc>   0:    4606371          XT-PIC  timer
[04:45] <toptnc>   1:        668          XT-PIC  i8042
[04:45] <toptnc>   2:          0          XT-PIC  cascade
[04:45] <toptnc>   3:      17967          XT-PIC  orinoco_cs
[04:45] <toptnc>   7:          0          XT-PIC  parport0
[04:45] <toptnc>   8:          1          XT-PIC  rtc
[04:45] <ogra> Cloudchaser: :)
[04:45] <toptnc>   9:       1975          XT-PIC  acpi
[04:45] <toptnc>  11:          2          XT-PIC  uhci_hcd, yenta, yenta
[04:45] <toptnc>  12:        111          XT-PIC  i8042
[04:45] <toptnc>  14:      52551          XT-PIC  ide0
[04:46] <toptnc> NMI:          0
[04:46] <Cloudchaser> slowly while copying to the share.. not so slowly copying to ubuntu
[04:46] <toptnc> LOC:          0
[04:46] <ogra> toptnc: please dont post here
[04:46] <toptnc> ERR:          0
[04:46] <toptnc> MIS:          0
[04:46] <neuro_> floodtastic
[04:46] <toptnc> oh sorry
[04:46] <ogra> toptnc: please dont post here
[04:46] <drspin> ogra - this system is the only place I've seen behavior like this -- no problems in Windows -- but had the same deal with both my SuSE and Gentoo installs on here.... both were running 2.4 kernels
[04:46] <toptnc> sorry
[04:46] <toptnc> this would be for #flood
[04:46] <toptnc> sorry all
[04:47] <ogra> drspin: looks like it is a linux kernel issue with your setup then
[04:47] <drspin> ogra: aye - so what do I do??
[04:47] <ogra> drspin: file a bug
[04:47] <crimsun> hotplug? usb? 2.6? drspin?
[04:48] <ogra> drspin: let others deal that know about it ;)
[04:48] <drspin> crimsun -- LOL those are keywords of our conversation ;)
[04:48] <drspin> ogra: where?
[04:48] <ogra> drspin: provide infos .... and have some patiency
[04:48] <Cloudchaser> goign to computer/network/share still has permissions issues though but i can live with that for the moment i i can copy files back and forth via the file manager
[04:48] <crimsun> drspin: I just read that 2.6.10 fixes quite a few hotplugging and usb issues
[04:48] <Cloudchaser> so the day wasn't a complete waste after all ;)
[04:48] <ogra> drspin: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[04:49] <crimsun> drspin: so we shall both wait til the ubuntu kernel guys grace us with 2.6.10
[04:49] <drspin> crimsun -- is 2.6.10 out yet?
[04:49] <ogra> Cloudchaser: your tero issue will get solved too :)
[04:49] <crimsun> drspin: yes, but I'm waiting til it's available in hoary
[04:49] <Cloudchaser> now, how do i get an icon on the desktop when i mount the shares? i thought that was automatic like the cdrom drive does
[04:49] <drspin> aye as will I
[04:49] <drspin> just won't restart
[04:49] <drspin> !! :)
[04:49] <Cloudchaser> i hope so ogra! its so close!
[04:50] <Cloudchaser> the hard part is system detection of the device i thought and thats all there
[04:50] <shianux> hi all
[04:50] <Cloudchaser> hi shianux
[04:50] <ogra> Cloudchaser: if the entry in fstab has the user or users option (to enable you to mount it as a user) then it is in the disks window
[04:50] <ArCHoNKoG> alright gusy i have a external driver that is via usb
[04:50] <ArCHoNKoG> i was never able in my life to get it to work on linux
[04:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> hey, how do I find my ip address to the outside world? I'm behind a NAT
[04:50] <Cloudchaser> well it is in the disks window indirectly..i have to go to filesystem/mnt/share
[04:51] <ArCHoNKoG> woudl you guys give a bro a hand
[04:51] <ogra> Cloudchaser: no, i mean directly
[04:51] <Cloudchaser> in disks i have floppy1, cdrom, filesystem and network
[04:51] <ogra> Cloudchaser: its possible :)
[04:51] <Cloudchaser> if i go into network i see all the shares
[04:51] <ogra> Cloudchaser: has your fstab entry a user option?
[04:51] <LinuxSanta> man i got addicted to monopoly on games.com
[04:51] <Cloudchaser> but can't brows them
[04:51] <LinuxSanta> :P
[04:52] <LinuxSanta> i played like over 11
[04:52] <Cloudchaser> i used the .smbcredentials with the masks for all users read write execute
[04:52] <LinuxSanta> hoary is f0cked with x.org
[04:52] <LinuxSanta> it wont setup x
[04:52] <LinuxSanta> with array2
[04:52] <ogra> Cloudchaser: ah, ok. but no user option in fstab ?
[04:52] <Cloudchaser> well i got kind of confused there
[04:52] <LinuxSanta> i was lookin forward to hoary
[04:53] <LinuxSanta> its not ready yet <Grin>
[04:53] <LinuxSanta> maybe array3
[04:53] <LinuxSanta> will give it another try when array3 is out
[04:53] <Cloudchaser> my user can copy to and from via command line and via disks/filesystem/mnt/share
[04:53] <shianux> cloudchaser: is it a problem when during updating of the system with synaptic, the terminal window indicates that something cannot be removed because the directory is not empty?
[04:53] <ogra> Cloudchaser: in fstab you have the options for the mount command.... if there is a entry: user then nautilus recognizes this and shows the disk in disks
[04:53] <Cloudchaser> shianux, i haven't run across that yet but i'm still new yet
[04:54] <ogra> shianux: nopa
[04:54] <Cloudchaser> oh ok ogra, i couldn't find a good example of the fstab entry that way..i've done it in the past like that and must not have written it down
[04:54] <Cloudchaser> had to do guid and masks of some sort too
[04:54] <shianux> or "unable to delete old file - 'somethingsomething': directory not empty"
[04:55] <ogra> shianux: thats ok
[04:55] <shianux> ogra: thank you!
[04:55] <ogra> shianux: imagine a package removes an icon from the icon dir
[04:55] <shianux> cloudchaser: thank you too =)
[04:55] <Cloudchaser> have you got a pointer to a sample fstab line?
[04:55] <Cloudchaser> hehe shianux i didn't do anything
[04:55] <ogra> shianux: it shouldnt delete the whole dir then ;)
[04:56] <ogra> Cloudchaser: you talked to him :)
[04:56] <ArCHoNKoG> ubuntu > all
[04:56] <Crane> what device does a USB card reader use
[04:56] <ArCHoNKoG> i just need to learn how to say the word now
[04:56] <Crane> thying to manually mount
[04:56] <Cloudchaser> oh ;) hey i know what its like to have no one talk to me when i'm new in a room ;)
[04:56] <Crane> trying
[04:56] <ArCHoNKoG> Cloudchaser, don't if you ask and i know i'll help
[04:56] <Cloudchaser> it uses something wierd but i can't remember what crane
[04:56] <ogra> Crane: look in the device manager, in the advanced entry of the device
[04:56] <ArCHoNKoG> if i don't know am sorry
[04:57] <ogra> Crane: the first entry should be the device there
[04:57] <Cloudchaser> hehe i don't usually know alot but i'm a talker
[04:58] <ogra> thinks actually
[04:58] <ArCHoNKoG> ogra, what do i have to do so i can get access to my external usb hd
[04:58] <Cloudchaser> i have an external usb hub
[04:58] <Cloudchaser> and it just worked
[04:58] <Cloudchaser> i didn't have to do anything
[04:58] <Cloudchaser> just plug in the devices and voila
[04:58] <ogra> ArCHoNKoG: it gets mounted on your desktop if you plug it in
[04:59] <Cloudchaser> i don't see anything on my desktop though
[04:59] <ArCHoNKoG> ogra, nothing there
[04:59] <Crane> hmmm Device manager gives error
[04:59] <Cloudchaser> but i don't have a reader hooked up
[04:59] <ogra> Crane: kind of ?
[04:59] <Crane> could not get device list, make sure hald is running
[04:59] <Cloudchaser> my camera is next though
[04:59] <Cloudchaser> thats a toughie
[04:59] <ogra> Crane: ahh, there is your prob
[04:59] <Cloudchaser> never did get that wokring in linux
[04:59] <ogra> Cloudchaser: will work i think :)
[05:00] <Cloudchaser> but i think i read it would work with 2.6 kernel
[05:00] <Crane> what is hald?
[05:00] <Cloudchaser> it was still too new for 2.4 although its not a new camera..but thats for another day
[05:00] <Crane> and how do I start it
[05:00] <ArCHoNKoG> that is wired i have nothing on my desktop also
[05:00] <ArCHoNKoG> why is that
[05:00] <ogra> Cloudchaser: if not with gthumb you could try some SW i wrote: http://www.grawert.net/software/pimp/
[05:00] <Cloudchaser> ogra any links to fstab samples i cold try?
[05:01] <ogra> Crane: sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[05:01] <Cloudchaser> its a sony camera..sony's are tricky i read
[05:01] <ogra> Cloudchaser: post the one you got currently
[05:01] <ogra> Cloudchaser: they say its not a trick. ...
[05:01] <Cloudchaser> cool ogra i'll try that! i have to charge up the camera though
[05:02] <Cloudchaser> /chrisibm/chrisibmc /mnt/ChrisC smbfs credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,dmask=777,fmask=777 0 0
[05:02] <Crane> *sr/sbin/hald already running.
[05:02] <Cloudchaser> well another slash at the beginning
[05:02] <Cloudchaser> crane i got usbview
[05:02] <ogra>  //chrisibm/chrisibmc /mnt/ChrisC smbfs credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,dmask=777,fmask=777,user 0 0
[05:02] <Cloudchaser> its nice to see what usb devices are there and if they're detected properly
[05:03] <Cloudchaser> yes ogra
[05:03] <Crane> usbview?
[05:03] <ogra> Cloudchaser: regard the difference ;)
[05:03] <Crane> program?
[05:03] <Cloudchaser> oohh
[05:03] <Cloudchaser> ok
[05:03] <Cloudchaser> i can do that ;)
[05:03] <ogra> Crane: wont help you with the hal issue
[05:04] <ogra> Cloudchaser: not sure if it works with smbfs mounts this way, but its worth a try
[05:04] <Crane> oh well now when I select hardware manager it sjust shuts off
[05:04] <Crane> device manager
[05:04] <Cloudchaser> ok i'll give it a try now
[05:04] <ogra> Crane: device manager == hald
[05:04] <ogra> Crane: hald sits on top of dbus
[05:05] <ogra> Crane: thos trio plus the kernel make the usb hotplugging
[05:05] <ogra> this
[05:05] <Cloudchaser> you are my hero ogra!
[05:05] <ogra> :)
[05:06] <Crane> ogra: so do I need to restart hald?
[05:06] <ogra> Crane: dbus starts hald
[05:06] <Cloudchaser> now hopefully when i start up the machine, the smb services start before the fstab is read ;)
[05:06] <ogra> Crane: so you need to restart dbus-1
[05:06] <ogra> Cloudchaser: no need for it :)
[05:06] <Cloudchaser> thats why a nice services gui is handy for when you need to change the order of things
[05:06] <Cloudchaser> no?
[05:07] <Cloudchaser> well how bout my wireless services then?
[05:07] <Cloudchaser> if they start after the fstab is read?
[05:07] <Crane>  *sr/sbin/hald already running. [fail] 
[05:07] <Crane> run-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/hal exited with return code 1
[05:07] <ogra> Cloudchaser: they sohould be before :)
[05:07] <Cloudchaser> ok cool.. ;)
[05:07] <ogra> Crane: looks bad.....
[05:08] <ogra> Crane: the hald process seems stuck....
[05:09] <Cloudchaser> what kind of card reader?
[05:09] <ArCHoNKoG> can you  get winex ?
[05:09] <ogra> Crane: make sure you get it killed properly, then restart dbus
[05:09] <Crane> hmmm restart computer maybe
[05:09] <ogra> ArCHoNKoG: sure, you can buy it
[05:09] <Cloudchaser> put the card in after though..i sometimes had trouble starting pc with the card in but that wasn't in ubuntu
[05:10] <Cloudchaser> i should get my card reader out and try it
[05:10] <crimsun> ArCHoNKoG: you can check out the cvs version and build it manually, but it lacks features that are in the binary-only version (copy protection support, etc.)
[05:10] <ArCHoNKoG> how can i get my external usb hd to work
[05:10] <Cloudchaser> not today though
[05:11] <Cloudchaser> winex=cedega now
[05:11] <ogra> crimsun: "...but it lacks features  ... (copy protection support)" ??? thats a feature ?
[05:11] <Cloudchaser> its on my list to buy
[05:11] <Cloudchaser> ;)
[05:11] <Cloudchaser> and a small paycheck ;)
[05:12] <ogra> heh
[05:12] <shianux> hi all again
[05:12] <Cloudchaser> wb
[05:12] <shianux> cloudchaser: =)
[05:12] <shianux> I'm encountering another message which I don't know if its bad or not
[05:13] <shianux> synaptic was trying to install a package, I can't remember which
[05:13] <crimsun> ogra: the safedisc support, etc.
[05:13] <ogra> crimsun: ah, ok....
[05:13] <Crane> what is the command to force an app  or process to quit
[05:14] <Crane> ?
[05:14] <shianux> oh yes, I remember now
[05:14] <crimsun> Crane: kill
[05:14] <ogra> Crane: killall -9 hald
[05:14] <Crane> kill doesn't work
[05:14] <shianux> synaptic was trying to install xserver-xorg
[05:14] <Crane> ahhh -9 thats it
[05:14] <Crane> thanks
[05:14] <ogra> Crane: kill works with the proc number.... killall with the name
[05:15] <ogra> Crane: but if hald is stuck on a HW event even -9 wont work
[05:15] <shianux> when it said "dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native)"
[05:16] <ogra> shianux: sounds like hoary
[05:16] <Crane> ogra: yep it's stuck on something
[05:16] <shianux> haha yeah, I just upgraded to hoary
[05:16] <Crane> I can't stop it
[05:16] <shianux> ogra: so what's actually happening there?
[05:16] <ogra> shianux: there are issues currently
[05:16] <LinuxSanta> shianux:  Hoary breaks
[05:16] <ogra> shianux: dunno, sorry
[05:16] <Crane> crane looks at computer.... hal stop it
[05:17] <shianux> ogra: so there isn't anything I can do to fix it?
[05:17] <LinuxSanta> ogra i agree, it has issues with array2 for gnome / x
[05:17] <ogra> shianux: waiting ...
[05:17] <shianux> LinuxSanta: hmm, is the breakage critical?
[05:17] <LinuxSanta> ogra:  It fixes the partioning problem tho with libparted
[05:17] <LinuxSanta> shainux:  For me i cant use gnome desktop
[05:17] <LinuxSanta> or it will not boot into X
[05:17] <LinuxSanta> depending if i do upgrade or use array2
[05:17] <shianux> LinuxSanta: wow, that sounds bad
[05:17] <LinuxSanta> either one doesnt work right
[05:17] <bob2> shianux: did you install ubuntu from scratch?
[05:18] <LinuxSanta> shainux:  Array3 will hopefully fix it
[05:18] <LinuxSanta> array 2 is bugged :(
[05:18] <Cloudchaser> what is Array2 and Array3?
[05:18] <LinuxSanta> test release of snapshots
[05:18] <Cloudchaser> ah
[05:18] <LinuxSanta> its more stable than the daily snapshots
[05:18] <LinuxSanta> but
[05:19] <LinuxSanta> its still not working stable enough yet for me
[05:19] <LinuxSanta> all linux distros have the partitioning problem now
[05:19] <LinuxSanta> since it was a libparted bug
[05:19] <ogra> :(
[05:19] <LinuxSanta> so all of em will break for me on install
[05:19] <LinuxSanta> next batch should be golden
[05:19] <LinuxSanta> ie hoary, next release of suse, redhat, blah blah
[05:20] <shianux> bob2: is there a way to do that? I installed it off the warty CD
[05:20] <LinuxSanta> it was critical bug for me to make me go back to windows <grin>
[05:20] <LinuxSanta> for the time being
[05:20] <kebac> all linux is hoary
[05:20] <kebac> use BSD
[05:20] <bob2> shianux: just checking
[05:20] <LinuxSanta> hoary rules
[05:20] <ogra> kebac: bah
[05:20] <LinuxSanta> ubuntu-offtopic for bsd
[05:20] <ogra> heh
[05:20] <LinuxSanta> thanks :)
[05:20] <kebac> just advice
[05:21] <ogra> fast santa....stops before the start
[05:21] <LinuxSanta> kebac:  BSD is good but its not as supported and doesnt have the frills like linux does
[05:21] <ArCHoNKoG> :( not working
[05:21] <LinuxSanta> linux has more program compatibility
[05:21] <LinuxSanta> kebec:  ubuntu-offtopic if u want to continue
[05:21] <shianux> LinuxSanta: how do you get array 3?
[05:21] <LinuxSanta> i wish i knew
[05:21] <LinuxSanta> its not out yet :)
[05:21] <ArCHoNKoG> LinuxSanta,  where you from ?
[05:22] <LinuxSanta> array 2 u mean
[05:22] <LinuxSanta> NY USA
[05:22] <ArCHoNKoG> BRONX NY here
[05:22] <LinuxSanta> where at in the bronx?
[05:22] <kebac> BSD supports linux binaries
[05:22] <LinuxSanta> ghetto ?
[05:22] <LinuxSanta> or good area?
[05:22] <LinuxSanta> :)
[05:22] <kebac> = all program compatibility
[05:23] <ArCHoNKoG> ghetto
[05:23] <LinuxSanta> archonkog:  poor guy
[05:23] <LinuxSanta> move to upper east side
[05:23] <lemsx1> nah, the bronx rocks
[05:23] <ArCHoNKoG> LinuxSanta, na am good i like a hard working day
[05:23] <ultrahex> hey
[05:23] <LinuxSanta> archonkog:  LOL
[05:23] <LinuxSanta> ur choice
[05:23] <ArCHoNKoG> :)
[05:23] <LinuxSanta> i like the good life
[05:23] <ArCHoNKoG> LinuxSanta, same here it always been
[05:23] <LinuxSanta> i live on park ave
[05:23] <ultrahex> i just installed Ubuntu (as some might know) ... and how do u change resolution beyond 1024...
[05:24] <LinuxSanta> nah
[05:24] <ArCHoNKoG> LinuxSanta, cool
[05:24] <LinuxSanta> not yet
[05:24] <LinuxSanta> archonkog:  Im still a bit short
[05:24] <Cloudchaser> oops
[05:24] <ogra> night all
[05:24] <LinuxSanta> archonkog:  Im in queens actually
[05:24] <ArCHoNKoG> LinuxSanta, i have a wish santa i need help
[05:24] <bob2> ultrahex: what res did it pick?
[05:24] <bob2> /win	30
[05:24] <ArCHoNKoG> LinuxSanta, where in queens i will be there for new years
[05:24] <LinuxSanta> shianux:  http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/hoary/array-2/
[05:24] <LinuxSanta> enjoy
[05:25] <LinuxSanta> if you download the updates, x wont load up
[05:25] <LinuxSanta> if you dont, then gnome doesnt work
[05:25] <kebac> freebsd picked 2048x1536@ 85 hz on the first run :=)
[05:25] <ultrahex> it auto chose the max at 1024x768 but my screen and stuff supports 1600x1200 +
[05:25] <LinuxSanta> it will load into gnome but then mess up there
[05:25] <shianux> LinuxSanta: haha thanks
[05:25] <LinuxSanta> it needs more work
[05:25] <Cloudchaser> ok ogra next big question..how to make it so i can unmount a volume by right clicking on the desktop icon ..right now it says only root can
[05:25] <ultrahex> bob2: any ideas?
[05:26] <bob2> ultrahex: please file a bug on xserver-xorg, including the output of 'lspci', 'lspci -n', 'dmesg' and 'lsmod'.
[05:26] <Lathiat> Cloudchaser: it depends how you mount it, if you mount a removeable device the proper way, you can unmount it on the desktop
[05:26] <ArCHoNKoG> how come can't see nothing on desktop ?
[05:26] <Cloudchaser> i messed up my fstab
[05:26] <Cloudchaser> and um
[05:26] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: there's nothing on the desktop by default
[05:26] <ArCHoNKoG> i see
[05:27] <ultrahex> bob2: UGH
[05:27] <Cloudchaser> well i copied and pasted and entry twice to set up 2 more shares on same volume
[05:27] <Cloudchaser> and um
[05:27] <Cloudchaser> i forgot to change the mount point
[05:27] <Cloudchaser> so
[05:27] <Lathiat> ArCHoNKoG: the computer icons etc are usually used via the Computer menu up top
[05:27] <Cloudchaser> i have 3 now for same mount point
[05:27] <kebac> naru jtk sill on
[05:27] <Lathiat> ArCHoNKoG: and the trash by the trash applet in the bbottom right
[05:27] <Cloudchaser> i guess i'll have to restart
[05:27] <ArCHoNKoG> i want my songs and my songs are in a external drive
[05:27] <ArCHoNKoG> how do i get that to work
[05:27] <Cloudchaser> and fix my fstab first
[05:27] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: plug it in and it should mount it automatically
[05:27] <bob2> ultrahex: ugh?
[05:27] <ultrahex> yes as in thats great fun
[05:28] <ArCHoNKoG> bob2, how would i know it worked ?
[05:28] <Cloudchaser> brb hopw this works!
[05:28] <bob2> ultrahex: yeah, it sucks, but it works for nearly everyone...
[05:28] <Scorp> hey does the PPC version have all the bells and whistles that say YDL has? (support for brightness and volume keys, hardware detection, etc etc..) keep in mind I'm asking about PowerPC version
[05:28] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: it should popup a window
[05:29] <bob2> Scorp: of course
[05:29] <ultrahex> bob2: is this a website or a channel i got in a file now
[05:29] <ArCHoNKoG> ok it didn't work
[05:29] <bob2> ultrahex: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:29] <Scorp> bob2 is the install easy?
[05:29] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: is it a ntfs or hfs drive?
[05:29] <bob2> Scorp: it's identical to the i386 ubuntu install
[05:29] <ArCHoNKoG> ntfs
[05:29] <bob2> ie like 10 questions, none of which are about hardware
[05:30] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: known bug, unfortunately
[05:30] <Scorp> bob2 lol I wouldn't know what that's like, but I'll risk it, thanks; does it boot on its own, is there docs for it?
[05:31] <bob2> Scorp: the cd boots
[05:32] <LinuxSanta> ubuntu still needs work
[05:32] <shianux> hi all
[05:32] <shianux> back again
[05:32] <LinuxSanta> alala
[05:32] <Scorp> ok I'm reading the docs then and downloading it :)
[05:32] <Cloudchaser> well fooey.. no drive icons after restarting
[05:32] <shianux> manage to load up into hoary
[05:32] <shianux> with only 1 problem left
[05:33] <LinuxSanta> shianux:  X?
[05:33] <shianux> LinuxSanta: yeah, but its not a big problem
[05:33] <LinuxSanta> shainux:  Did it configure x for u?
[05:33] <Cloudchaser> ok ogra none of my drives mounted after restarting
[05:33] <LinuxSanta> did u upgrade to ubuntu
[05:33] <shianux> I'm stuck with only 640x480 screen resolution
[05:33] <LinuxSanta> hoary i mean
[05:33] <LinuxSanta> shainux:  at least u got x to work with hoary
[05:33] <Cloudchaser> so only root can mount them it appears
[05:33] <LinuxSanta> if i upgrade to hoary from warty my x wont work
[05:34] <shianux> when I go to system settings, I only have 640x480 as a choice
[05:34] <bob2> shianux: let me guess, hoary, non-free nvidia modules?
[05:34] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  those actually increase the refresh rate
[05:34] <ArCHoNKoG> ok
[05:34] <shianux> bob2: actually I did that yesterday when I installed the nvidia modules
[05:34] <LinuxSanta> but not by much
[05:34] <ArCHoNKoG> i need a torrent
[05:34] <ArCHoNKoG> same as debian ?
[05:34] <bob2> LinuxSanta: huh?
[05:34] <shianux> bob2: but since that hosed my hoary install
[05:34] <shianux> bob2: I didn't install them this time round
[05:34] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  like 75mhz, etc...
[05:34] <Cloudchaser> so the fstab needs something to let it work while booting as user?
[05:35] <shianux> bob2: and I still have the same problem
[05:35] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  75,85, 120. etc....
[05:35] <Cloudchaser> mount -a only works with sudo
[05:35] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  or is it hz
[05:35] <LinuxSanta> i ferget
[05:35] <bob2> LinuxSanta: I don't know what you're refering to
[05:35] <Scorp> bob2 will it install and configure yaboot for me?
[05:35] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  With linux the refresh rates are kept down lower than windows
[05:35] <LinuxSanta> which sux
[05:35] <bob2> LinuxSanta: are you saying the binary drivers give higher refresh rates?
[05:35] <bob2> Scorp: yes
[05:35] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  The non free glx yes
[05:35] <bob2> LinuxSanta: er, are you really sure of that?
[05:35] <LinuxSanta> bob2 for me it does
[05:35] <ultrahex> bob2: can i just modify my X config file for mean time , and could anyone walk me through?
[05:35] <bob2> Cloudchaser: what are you trying to do?
[05:35] <plasmo> lol
[05:35] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  I installed glx and it worked at the next up refresh rate
[05:36] <Cloudchaser> mount shares when i boot pc
[05:36] <bob2> ultrahex: sure, and maybe, but you'd be better off asking on the list
[05:36] <shianux> bob2: so now I'd like to find out how to get my original screen res back
[05:36] <LinuxSanta> its still not on par with what it should be tho
[05:36] <bob2> LinuxSanta: that is a bug then, please report it
[05:36] <Cloudchaser> i edited fstab and sudo mount -a does the trick
[05:36] <LinuxSanta> linux nvidia drivers are more of an afterthought
[05:36] <Cloudchaser> but they didn't mount when i rebooted
[05:36] <LinuxSanta> bob2 u work for ubuntu?
[05:36] <plasmo> shinanux: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add in your resolution
[05:36] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  Its not a bug........
[05:36] <bob2> LinuxSanta: no, I work for canonical, but not ubuntu
[05:37] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  The nvidia driver which is the better driver gives u the better rate
[05:37] <bob2> Cloudchaser: add the 'auto' option to the options field for each one you want mounted on boot
[05:37] <LinuxSanta> why would it be a bug?
[05:37] <bob2> LinuxSanta: no, it's a bug
[05:37] <shianux> plasmo: but I already have the settings in xorg.conf
[05:37] <shianux> that's the funny part
[05:37] <bob2> LinuxSanta: how is it not a bug? the Free driver is missing a piece of functionailty that the non-free one has
[05:37] <Cloudchaser> /chrisibm/chrisibmc /mnt/ChrisC smbfs credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,dmask=777,fmask=777,user 0 0
[05:37] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  And the nvidia driver is CLOSED SOURCE
[05:37] <Cloudchaser> where do i put that?
[05:37] <bob2> LinuxSanta: er, so?
[05:37] <plasmo> including the resolutions? "1024x768" "800x600" ?
[05:37] <Cloudchaser> before credentials?
[05:38] <Cloudchaser> or before user?
[05:38] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  how are u gonna get them to open the code for you to add that functionality in the regular driver?
[05:38] <bob2> Cloudchaser: in the options column, as I said,  your fstab has a header line that tells you which that is
[05:38] <LinuxSanta> its functionality that nvidia specifically added, they can do that
[05:38] <bob2> LinuxSanta: are you an X hacker?
[05:38] <LinuxSanta> no
[05:38] <LinuxSanta> if an x hacker can figure it out fine
[05:38] <LinuxSanta> but its not really a bug
[05:38] <LinuxSanta> its a feature that was added
[05:38] <bob2> then how do you know that fixing it would require the source to the nvidia binsary driver?
[05:38] <Scorp> lol
[05:38] <bob2> or are you guessing?
[05:39] <Cloudchaser> ok i'll try that..then will it mount them as a user?
[05:39] <Scorp> PHB :)
[05:39] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  it stands to reason
[05:39] <Cloudchaser> cause right now they're mounted as root so i can't unmount them via right click/unmount volume
[05:39] <bob2> Cloudchaser: 'as a user'? no.
[05:39] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  if im a linux user and i want the better rate all i do is install the driver and presto
[05:39] <Cloudchaser> can i do that?
[05:39] <bob2> no
[05:39] <LinuxSanta> its the better driver anyways
[05:39] <LinuxSanta> it doesnt cost me a cent
[05:39] <bob2> it's not the better driver
[05:39] <bob2> it's a
[05:40] <bob2> different driver, with a number of disadvantages
[05:40] <Cloudchaser> ok so can i change the right click umount to be root?
[05:40] <bob2> and some advantages
[05:40] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  Such as?
[05:40] <bob2> Cloudchaser: no
[05:40] <bob2> LinuxSanta: such as if your machine crashes, kernel developers will laugh at you
[05:40] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  as i said, its closed source
[05:40] <bob2> anyway, this is way off-topic
[05:40] <shianux> plasmo: the real problem is after I run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", I get this message
[05:40] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  It would be nice if they opened it but thats another story
[05:40] <bob2> if you don't care, don't file a bug
[05:41] <LinuxSanta> bob2 but for me its not a bug i add the glx and im happy
[05:41] <bob2> I think it would be useful to have someone who knows far more about X than either of us to have a look at it
[05:41] <bob2> ok, thanks
[05:41] <Cloudchaser> Normally, only the superuser can mount  file  systems.   However,
[05:41] <Cloudchaser>        when  fstab  contains the user option on a line, then anybody can mount
[05:41] <Cloudchaser>        the corresponding system.
[05:41] <Cloudchaser> should work as user
[05:41] <bob2> Cloudchaser: no
[05:41] <bob2> Cloudchaser: not if you combine it with auto
[05:41] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  I reported it actually along time ago and ubuntu told me it wasnt a bug
[05:41] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  So they disagree with you
[05:41] <bob2> LinuxSanta: and which bug # is it?
[05:41] <Cloudchaser> well i have it as user now and user can't mount it
[05:41] <shianux> "dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation)"
[05:41] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  Hold on
[05:42] <bob2> shianux: yes, you pasted it before.  it's a bug that was in Debian a long time ago, please ask on the mailing list.
[05:42] <bob2> Cloudchaser: because root already did?
[05:42] <shianux> bob2: ok, thanks
[05:42] <Cloudchaser> yes root did because mount -a didn't work without sudo
[05:42] <bob2> yes, I know
[05:43] <ArCHoNKoG> guys how can i get a list on ports for ubuntu
[05:43] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: 'ports'?
[05:43] <ArCHoNKoG> hmmm
[05:43] <ArCHoNKoG> a list of packages i can get useing apt-get
[05:43] <bob2> shianux: do you have build-essential installed?
[05:43] <LinuxSanta> bob2 its no longer there
[05:44] <bob2> LinuxSanta: bugs are not removed from bugzilla
[05:44] <LinuxSanta> i reported it awhile back its not in the bug list anymore
[05:44] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: there's 12 000 of them
[05:44] <ArCHoNKoG> ok
[05:44] <bob2> LinuxSanta: what's your email address?
[05:44] <Cloudchaser> ok i'll try auto and users instead of user and see what happens ;)
[05:44] <ArCHoNKoG> how can i search for a packages
[05:44] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  So then how do i find bugs not in mybugs?
[05:44] <ArCHoNKoG> is there a page
[05:44] <ArCHoNKoG> or something
[05:44] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: there isn't, sorry
[05:44] <plasmo> ArCHoNGKoG: synaptic
[05:44] <neuro_> ArCHoNKoG: try synaptic
[05:44] <neuro_> plasmo: snap
[05:44] <plasmo> or apt-cache search
[05:44] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: do you know about "apt-cache" and synaptic?
[05:44] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  let me pm u
[05:45] <bob2> Cloudchaser: that won't do what you want, either
[05:45] <neuro_> it's Redundancy Night here in #ubuntu :>
[05:45] <plasmo> wats snap lol
[05:45] <Cloudchaser> why not?
[05:45] <neuro_> the card game snap?
[05:45] <plasmo> :0
[05:45] <bob2> Cloudchaser: because auto says 'mount at boot', which will be as root
[05:45] <Cloudchaser> well fooey
[05:46] <Cloudchaser> ok then
[05:46] <ferris> can any of you tell me how to update my menus (I am using xfce desktop)
[05:46] <Cloudchaser> i don't have auto now
[05:46] <LinuxSanta> the bug is no longer in my bugs
[05:46] <Cloudchaser> but user can't mount it with mount -a
[05:46] <LinuxSanta> how do u retrieve bugs no longer in the my bugs section?
[05:46] <shianux> bob2: I'm not sure, how do I find out?
[05:47] <Cloudchaser> this is so confusing
[05:47] <ArCHoNKoG> dones't make sence
[05:47] <bob2> shianux: it's a package, install it if you want to build anything at all
[05:47] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: what doesn't?
[05:47] <ArCHoNKoG> its not letting me get the plug in for mozilla
[05:47] <bob2> Cloudchaser: which bit?
[05:47] <ArCHoNKoG> am not trying to flood but this is what i get
[05:47] <Cloudchaser> ok the "user" or "users" option in fstab says any user can mount
[05:47] <bob2> LinuxSanta: I'm 99% certain nothing has ever been removed
[05:47] <Cloudchaser> or all users can mount
[05:47] <ArCHoNKoG> archon@archon:~ $ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[05:47] <ArCHoNKoG> Reading Package Lists... Done
[05:47] <ArCHoNKoG> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[05:47] <ArCHoNKoG> enabl: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[05:47] <Cloudchaser> but i have user in there now and i can't mount or unmount
[05:47] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  its not in my bugs
[05:47] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: yes, that's because apt doesn't know about the package
[05:48] <plasmo> mmm
[05:48] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  So then how can one retrieve them?
[05:48] <plasmo> type apt-get update first
[05:48] <bob2> LinuxSanta: then search for it yourself if you won't let me know what your address is
[05:48] <bob2> plasmo: no
[05:48] <LinuxSanta> bob2 i gave u my address
[05:48] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: enable multiverse in your apt config
[05:48] <LinuxSanta> in msg
[05:48] <LinuxSanta> i will not give it in channel
[05:48] <ferris> AeCHKog: What are you trying to do?
[05:48] <Cloudchaser> so if i have to choose between one, i'd rather boot up and do mount -a as user and mount them all as user
[05:48] <plasmo> ah yeah
[05:48] <ArCHoNKoG> you mean How to add extra repositories
[05:48] <Cloudchaser> heya plasmo!
[05:48] <bob2> LinuxSanta: you haven't /msg'd me successfully
[05:48] <plasmo> hey :D
[05:48] <ArCHoNKoG> ferris, atlest type name right
[05:49] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: if you're followingthat ubuntu guide thing, reread the section about flash more carefully
[05:49] <LinuxSanta> bob2 yes i did
[05:49] <LinuxSanta> ill remsg it to bob2
[05:49] <LinuxSanta> if u didnt get it
[05:49] <bob2> LinuxSanta: no, you haven't.  I would guess because your nick is not registered and I'm blocking you.
[05:49] <LinuxSanta> oh
[05:49] <LinuxSanta> lol
[05:49] <bob2> the irc server will have told you that if it's the case
[05:49] <LinuxSanta> yeah i saw that now
[05:49] <LinuxSanta> bob2 is blocking messages from unidentified users.  You must register and identify with NickServ before talking to this user.
[05:50] <LinuxSanta> smart :P
[05:50] <LinuxSanta> its easier for me to just find the bug
[05:50] <LinuxSanta> but its gone
[05:50] <LinuxSanta> it would be under refresh rate
[05:50] <LinuxSanta> but the bug isnt mine
[05:50] <bob2> oh, of course
[05:50] <ferris> ArCHoNKoG: I do apologize... not used to this laptop.
[05:51] <NeoXed> http://radi0.blackboxz.net:8000/listen.pls
[05:51] <drspin> ok so earlier we talked about a firewall for linux... I need a firewall because I'm a control freak...
[05:51] <bob2> NeoXed: please don't
[05:51] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  Its prolly still there if i knew the specific bug #
[05:51] <bob2> drspin: you have nothing to block
[05:51] <ArCHoNKoG> ferris, its all good in the hood
[05:51] <LinuxSanta> but its not in the search listing anymore or my bugs
[05:51] <LinuxSanta> bob2:  I think your right in that bugs arent deleted
[05:51] <drspin> bob2: maybe not...
[05:51] <LinuxSanta> but they dont appear in the search or my bugs section after a period of time or something
[05:52] <drspin> bob2: but I'm a control freak
[05:52] <bob2> drspin: but what do you want to control?
[05:52] <bob2> drspin: by default there's nothing on your system listening to anything
[05:53] <drspin> bob2: I want to block a few ports that bitTorrent uses
[05:53] <LinuxSanta> hmm
[05:53] <LinuxSanta> cant find it
[05:53] <drspin> bob2: besides firewall configuration could come in handy later in life
[05:54] <bob2> ok...
[05:54] <LinuxSanta> its late anyways <grin>
[05:54] <drspin> bob2: so, any suggestions?
[05:55] <bob2> I quite like shorewall.
[05:56] <drspin> bob2: I'll check it out
[05:56] <drspin> bob2: what is your opinion of iptables?
[05:56] <bob2> er, all firewalls on linux use iptables
[05:57] <bob2> it's the kernel firewalling system
[05:57] <bob2> everything else is just a layer on top of it to make it simpler to use
[05:59] <drspin> bob2: ok -- so if I learn iptables inside and out, I would be able to configure a linux firewall
[05:59] <bob2> for 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, yeah
[06:00] <bob2> ipchains isn't very different
[06:00] <bob2> 2.0's was
[06:00] <drspin> heh you've beena linux user for a while huh?
[06:00] <drspin> ;)
[06:01] <bob2> only since 2000
[06:01] <drspin> oh
[06:02] <drspin> I just switched again
[06:02] <drspin> so far I like ubuntu alot
[06:03] <drspin> easier to get things workin than Gentoo or my old suse and rehat installs
[06:06] <ferris> are there any xfce experts here?
[06:07] <ferris> I need help with enabling/ updating my menus
[06:07] <bob2> might want to try #xfce, assuming the answer someone else gave you didn't help
[06:08] <ferris> bob2: I tried them but no one knew anything
[06:08] <bob2> or their mailing list, perhaps
[06:09] <ferris> bob2: I also tried the #debian room as well
[06:09] <ferris> they could not help
[06:10] <ferris> bob2: funny thing is it is an easy command... something like update -u menu
[06:10] <ferris> just not sure
[06:10] <bob2> yes, I know
[06:10] <ferris> are you in the #debian room too?
[06:11] <bob2> yes
[06:22] <Cloudchaser> ogra you still here??
[06:24] <Cloudchaser> oh holy toledo i got it!
[06:24] <Cloudchaser> syncd my palm
[06:24] <Cloudchaser> its so tricky
[06:28] <ArCHoNKoG> i wanna know what do i have to do so i can listen to mp3 songs
[06:29] <zenrox> ArCHoNKoG, install xmms
[06:29] <ArCHoNKoG> not working
[06:29] <ArCHoNKoG> i just installed it
[06:29] <zenrox> why not
[06:29] <ArCHoNKoG> thats the reason am here
[06:29] <niran> apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:29] <niran> i think
[06:30] <niran> that should do it for rhythmbox
[06:30] <zenrox> niran, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8.mad
[06:30] <ArCHoNKoG> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:30] <ArCHoNKoG> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:30] <ArCHoNKoG> enabl: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:30] <niran> go to synaptic and add the universe repositories
[06:30] <zenrox> Warty Guide: http://ubuntuguide.org <<--try that ArCHoNKoG
[06:30] <zenrox> ArCHoNKoG,  that holds all the keys
[06:33] <ArCHoNKoG> i can't get that packages
[06:34] <zenrox> read add more respotartys
[06:35] <zenrox> to your ubuntu
[06:35] <crimsun> ArCHoNKoG: < niran> go to synaptic and add the universe repositories
[06:37] <shianux> hi all
[06:37] <shianux> back
[06:37] <shianux> still stuck in 640x480
[06:38] <ArCHoNKoG> that is so fucking hot
[06:38] <ArCHoNKoG> thaanks crimsun
[06:39] <Cloudchaser> i got 2 things accomplished today!
[06:39] <Cloudchaser> ;)
[06:40] <plasmo> :-)
[06:40] <Cloudchaser> only took most of the day too!
[06:40] <Cloudchaser> hehe
[06:41] <skobrosl> hello anyone here know any good mp3 players for gnome?
[06:41] <Agrajag> rhythmbox and muine
[06:42] <skobrosl> munie?
[06:42] <Agrajag> no, muine
[06:42] <skobrosl> OK
[06:42] <skobrosl> apt-get dosent seem to have it
[06:42] <crimsun> it's in hoary/universe
[06:43] <skobrosl> i have warthy
[06:43] <crimsun> you'll probably need to stick w/ rhythmbox then
[06:44] <crimsun> I'm ironing out gtk# 1.9.1 issues so I can build a deb of muine-0.7.0 in a chroot.
[06:44] <niran> i compiled it, but i don't know how to build debs
[06:44] <zenrox> crimsun,  trying to back port it??
[06:44] <crimsun> zenrox: no
[06:45] <plasmo> niran: use checkinstall for making .deb
[06:45] <niran> crimsun, do you want me to tell you all the crap i had to download to get it to compile?
[06:45] <crimsun> I'm building against current sid; when it finishes I'll use a new chroot to build for hoary
[06:45] <skobrosl> has anyone here built mono from source?
[06:46] <niran> oh ok
[06:46] <crimsun> niran: I've already built it
[06:46] <crimsun> niran: I'm just ironing out the gtk# 1->2 transition
[06:46] <niran> i see
[06:46] <crimsun> then I need to coordinate w/ #debian-mono to make sure the path is smooth
[06:47] <skobrosl> crimsun: is it difficult?
[06:47] <shianux> anyone knows how to fix res in x.org?
[06:47] <shianux> I lost my 1400x1050 when I upgraded from xfree to xorg
[06:48] <shianux> the only choice I'm given is 640x480 now
[06:48] <crimsun> skobrosl: not at all, but I've been building debs for quite some time.
[06:48] <skobrosl> crimsun which debs are they the devel version of mono?
[06:48] <crimsun> skobrosl: no, I'm using a sid chroot right now, so the version is 1.0.4
[06:49] <Cloudchaser> ok nother stupid question. I want to reply to a message on the ubuntu-users mail list and have it be in same thread
[06:49] <Cloudchaser> if i hit the reply to it will go to the list but how do i reply to make it go in the right thread?
[06:49] <skobrosl> oh i am a developer i switched from mandrake 10.1
[06:50] <skobrosl> i was using mono v1.1.3
[06:50] <crimsun> afaik mono 1.1 won't be packaged yet
[06:50] <crimsun> Cloudchaser: what are you using to reply?
[06:51] <skobrosl> i noticed that ubuntu is alot faster then mandrake
[06:51] <Cloudchaser> thunderbird
[06:51] <newbiewan> Cloudchaser, won't you just use the same subject as the thread's?
[06:51] <crimsun> Cloudchaser: when you reply, the correct thread id is used transparently.
[06:52] <Cloudchaser> ah ok
[06:52] <Cloudchaser> so just hit the reply to on that message in the digest/
[06:52] <crimsun> oh, you're using digest mode?
[06:52] <crimsun> make sure you copy the subject line precisely then
[06:52] <Cloudchaser> yes and there's no reply to cept in the main header
[06:52] <Cloudchaser> ok
[06:52] <niran> shianux: you still there?
[06:53] <Cloudchaser> Subject: Re: Syncing Treo 90 with JPilot on Ubuntu
[06:53] <skobrosl> is building from source dificult?
[06:53] <Cloudchaser> the whole thing or just whats after the Re:?
[06:53] <crimsun> skobrosl: nope, but upstream has some odd habits that #debian-mono group does not agree with.
[06:53] <skobrosl> >'
[06:54] <skobrosl> dont quite understand
[06:54] <crimsun> skobrosl: hence it is sometimes a PITA to fix upstream
[06:54] <skobrosl> oh
[06:56] <newbiewan> Cloud, if you make the subject with or without the re, the search processes can put it together on most lists.
[06:56] <Cloudchaser> ok thanks so much ;)
[06:59] <Scorp> wait for ubuntu for ppc should I make the partions myself or let the installer do it, will it create a bootstrap for me?
[06:59] <shianux> niran: yes, I'm still here
[06:59] <shianux> can't seem to get out of 640x480 ever since I upgraded to xorg in hoary
[06:59] <niran> shianux: ok, i still use xfree86, but i think this should still work
[07:00] <niran> shianux: run "gksudo gedit"
[07:00] <niran> shianux: and open xorg.conf
[07:00] <niran> it should be in /etc/xorg
[07:00] <niran> or something like that
[07:01] <shianux> ok
[07:01] <shianux> got it
[07:01] <niran> ok, search for "subsection "display""
[07:01] <niran> without the outer quotes
[07:02] <shianux> ok found it
[07:02] <niran> is it in section "screen"?
[07:03] <shianux> yes it is
[07:03] <niran> ok, what does it say next to modes?
[07:03] <shianux> only 1 option, "1400 x 1050"
[07:03] <niran> and that's the one you want, but it's not working
[07:03] <niran> hmm...
[07:03] <shianux> I know
[07:04] <shianux> tat's why I'm so puzzled
[07:04] <shianux> I wonder is there any where else apart from xorg.conf which stores resolution settings
[07:04] <victor> hi
[07:05] <niran> i don't think so
[07:05] <niran> try adding a few other common resolutions
[07:05] <victor> you probably get this a LOT but is the next release of ubuntu going to have Xorg?
[07:05] <victor> by the way, GREAT distro!
[07:05] <Scorp> wait for ubuntu for ppc should I make the partions myself or let the installer do it, will it create a bootstrap for me?
[07:06] <niran> victor: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals
[07:06] <niran> it says it's done
[07:06] <niran> so i'm assuming yes
[07:07] <ArCHoNKoG> :( can't play my mp3's
[07:07] <shianux> niran: or could it be a problem with gdm? maybe gnome doesn't see the settings in X?
[07:07] <shianux> niran: I know that sounds dumb, but ahha, I'm out of ideas so I'm just guessing
[07:08] <niran> shianux: i don't think so
[07:08] <niran> what video card are you using?
[07:09] <decklin> ArCHoNKoG, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:09] <victor> thanks, niran
[07:09] <niran> victor: no problem
[07:09] <shianux> niran: I'm on a laptop, dell inspiron 8000 and I've got the Geforce2Go, but I didn't install the nvidia drivers cuz I heard about all the problems
[07:10] <shianux> niran: the really strange thing is that the screen res is correct in XFree but not in Xorg
[07:12] <niran> shianux: that's weird. i'm out of ideas
[07:12] <niran> this is the point when i'd cry and roll back to xfree
[07:13] <Scorp> anyone, does the automated partitioning create a bootstrap partion on PPC installations?
[07:13] <shianux> how do I roll back to xfree in hoary?
[07:14] <Scorp> I need a response so I can restart the installation
[07:14] <shianux> niran: is it possible to keep all the upgrades in hoary and only roll back the xserver?
[07:14] <ArCHoNKoG> decklin, it worked thanks
[07:15] <niran> shianux: hmm... it might be dirty, but try it
[07:16] <niran> shianux: i'm running a mix of hoary and warty right now anyway, i just upgrade packages that look interesting
[07:16] <niran> shainux: muine, liferea, etc, but nothing intergral to the system unless something depends on them
[07:17] <newbiewan> What is the most current version of Firefox in Warty?
[07:17] <niran> 0.9.3
[07:17] <crimsun> 0.9.3
[07:17] <shianux> niran: I'm thinking that maybe xfree-common might help avoid possible breakages?
[07:17] <Scorp> ...how the hell did you guys manage to pack all this stuff into 1 cd?
[07:18] <newbiewan> Thanks, so does Hoary have 1.0 or later?
[07:18] <crimsun> newbiewan: yes.
[07:18] <GotD0t> newbiewan: yes, but you'll prefer .9.3
[07:19] <newbiewan> I've played with 1.0 in pclinuxos livecd and I think it is pretty cool, RSS and all.
[07:19] <niran> shianux: i don't really know. rolling back has always been a pain for me, cause it's hard to do it all at once in synaptic without it removing stuff that depends on the package in question
[07:19] <victor> is there a newer firefox in any of the apt-get repositories?
[07:19] <crimsun> victor: for warty? http://ubuntu-bp.sf.net/
[07:19] <niran> newbiewan: i'm using 1.0 right now on top of warty, but it's a little buggy
[07:19] <victor> ok
[07:20] <Cloudchaser> i'm trying to compile my first app in ubuntu and did ./configure but got this msg:
[07:20] <Cloudchaser> checking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables
[07:20] <Cloudchaser> See `config.log' for more details.
[07:20] <Scorp> eh?
[07:20] <plasmo> apt-get install build-essential
[07:20] <newbiewan> I don't know what bugs you refer to, niran, I wonder if they are taken care of in 1.1.
[07:20] <Cloudchaser> i don't know what that means
[07:21] <Cloudchaser> ok i thought maybe i needed more files to be able to compile things
[07:21] <Scorp> wait ubuntu doesn't come with a compiler ?!
[07:21] <plasmo> yep
[07:21] <Scorp> where does the name come from anyway?
[07:21] <victor> crimsun, will that repository be included in the next release?
[07:21] <plasmo> not installed by default i think
[07:21] <crimsun> Scorp: `sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[07:21] <niran> newbiewan: after leaving firefox open for a while, trying to click a link an external program opens the profile manager
[07:21] <crimsun> victor: no
[07:21] <Scorp> wait wait wait I still need to get it installed to begin with lol
[07:21] <ArCHoNKoG> would you know why sounds works in xmms but when i lauch a dvd no sound ?
[07:21] <Scorp> I'll worry about a compiler a bit later
[07:22] <victor> crimsun, i see
[07:22] <crimsun> ArCHoNKoG: are both programs set to use esd?
[07:22] <Astinus> Hrmmm, can I just query why Ubuntu is still using an archaic version of Webmin?
[07:22] <crimsun> Astinus: "archaic?"
[07:22] <Cloudchaser> foo missing a library now
[07:22] <newbiewan> niran, hmmm, seems like something one would not want. :-(
[07:22] <ArCHoNKoG> crimsun, not sure how can i find out
[07:22] <plasmo> wat library
[07:22] <Astinus> crimsun: Yeah, its bloody ancient - like 6 months out of date.
[07:23] <GotD0t> ArCHoNKoG: do you have an onboard sound card and a pci sound card?
[07:23] <crimsun> Astinus: I see 1.160 in sid/hoary
[07:23] <crimsun> Astinus: what's in warty?
[07:23] <ArCHoNKoG> pci for mic and usb for sound
[07:23] <Astinus> Astinus, 1.170 is current
[07:23] <Astinus> crimsun: 1.150 is warty
[07:23] <niran> newbiewan: yeah, i put up with it though. i just restart when it does that. it's really a shame though
[07:23] <crimsun> Astinus: that's not terribly bad...
[07:23] <Astinus> crimsun: It is when you consider that Webmin won't work with modules if its outta date.
[07:24] <Astinus> crimsun: It has to be kept up to date or things break :D
[07:24] <crimsun> Astinus: it should work w/ everything in warty.
[07:24] <Astinus> crimsun:  Would you advise an upgrade to Hoary on an AMD64 install?
[07:24] <Astinus> I generally run Sarge/Sid when playing with Debian - same thing here/
[07:25] <crimsun> Astinus: well, webmin is in 'universe', so Ubuntu developers aren't going to concentrate on keeping it current
[07:25] <crimsun> Astinus: Hoary is far more bleeding-edge than Sid+experimental
[07:25] <Astinus> Hrmmm, fair enough.
[07:26] <Astinus> Out of pure interest since I Just got a AMD64, I don't see any difference in my sources.list for an x86 and AMD64 -- how are the packages different?
[07:26] <shianux> niran: I'm back with XFree, but the res is still stuck at 640x480
[07:26] <crimsun> Astinus: different target
[07:27] <shianux> which must mean it has nothing to do with X, isn't it?
[07:27] <Astinus> crimsun:  Hrmmm, I was getting a weird dpkg error under AMD64 actually.
[07:27] <Astinus> Something about the architecture not being listed somewhere
[07:27] <niran> shianux: hmm... did anything else change since then?
[07:27] <Scorp> wait wtf root is disabled by default? is this a good thing?
[07:28] <Cloudchaser> ok i need zlib an there's a whole bunch of them in the apt-cache search list
[07:28] <crimsun> Scorp: yes, it's a good thing
[07:28] <shianux> niran: no, it was a quick changeover
[07:28] <Astinus> Scorp:  Yes, it stops people mucking it up :P
[07:28] <Scorp> very cool
[07:28] <crimsun> Cloudchaser: to compile something that depends on zlib?
[07:28] <Cloudchaser> yes
[07:28] <crimsun> Cloudchaser: install zlib1g-dev
[07:28] <niran> shianux: you wouldn't happen to have a backup xfree86config-4 file anywhere, would you?
[07:28] <SmokingFire> can dpkg use repositories?
[07:28] <Scorp> but how am I going to screw up everything if I can't be root??!
[07:28] <Astinus> Precisely :-D
[07:29] <crimsun> SmokingFire: dpkg just handles installing and removing packages
[07:29] <Astinus> Well you could sudo an rm -rf /
[07:29] <Cloudchaser> well fooey it wants expat ..i installed it and it can't find it
[07:29] <crimsun> SmokingFire: other programs layer on top of dpkg to handle repos
[07:29] <Scorp> so the first user basicly can do any command by typing sudo infront of it?
[07:29] <GotD0t> Scorp: you cant "BE" root but you can do something "AS" root
[07:29] <plasmo> zlib1g-dev is probli the one u need
[07:29] <bob2> dpkg knows about single packages, and their relationships
[07:29] <Astinus> Scorp:  Yeah
[07:29] <bob2> apt knows about repositories
[07:30] <Cloudchaser> this is just goofy
[07:30] <Scorp> so what's keeping me from scrweing up someones day by sending him a script that executes sudo rm -rf / and (obviouysly a newbie) him running it?
[07:30] <SmokingFire> crimsun: to bad. As I have a deb package with a bunch of depenencies. But getting those depends manually is PITA
[07:30] <shianux> niran: no... but I just thought of something... I'll run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again
[07:30] <bob2> Scorp: the fact you're not evil?
[07:30] <shianux> niran: do you think I should enable frame buffer?
[07:30] <niran> shianux: that was my next suggestion =)
[07:30] <shianux> niran: what does the frame buffer thingy do anyway?
[07:30] <bob2> SmokingFire: get whoever mad the deb to use a proper repository
[07:30] <niran> shianux: if it was disabled before, i'd say leave it
[07:30] <bob2> or make your own
[07:30] <Scorp> bob2 well I meant that as a very *hypothetical* situation ;)
[07:30] <crimsun> SmokingFire: what package?
[07:31] <SmokingFire> crimsun: xmltv and eventually gnometv
[07:31] <bob2> Scorp: nothing but encouragiing a culture where a) people don't send that and b) where newbies don't run random stuff people send to them
[07:31] <shianux> niran: yeah, it was disabled before... but I wonder, does it have anything to do with the screen res? haha, I guess probably not
[07:31] <niran> shianux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framebuffer
[07:31] <niran> i didn't really know either =)
[07:31] <Cloudchaser> Couldn't find package zlibg-dev
[07:31] <Scorp> bob2 but what will that do to the whole Linux culture?!
[07:31] <Scorp> actually it sounds like a good approach
[07:31] <crimsun> Cloudchaser: please read what I pasted above regarding zlib1g-dev
[07:32] <bob2> Cloudchaser: zlib1g-dev - compression library - development
[07:32] <Scorp> is ubuntu the only distro/OS to do this or is this a debian thing?
[07:32] <crimsun> SmokingFire: xmltv is in hoary/universe. Do you have the 'universe' repo enabled?
[07:32] <bob2> Scorp: to do what?
[07:32] <victor> hi, is there a kernel source package for apt-get?
[07:32] <SmokingFire> crimsun: I have, I must have overlooked it
[07:32] <crimsun> victor: linux-source-2.6.8.1
[07:32] <bob2> victor: yes...are you trying to build a module?
[07:32] <victor> yes
[07:33] <Scorp> bob2: disable root and encourage people to sudo ...
[07:33] <niran> victor: apt-cache search will search the repositories
[07:33] <victor> crimsun: thanks
[07:33] <niran> or use synaptic
[07:33] <victor> oh
[07:33] <victor> cool
[07:33] <bob2> victor: then you don't want the source, you want: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[07:33] <crimsun> victor: install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[07:33] <xskoulax> hey, on the livecd is there a way to get the terminals working
[07:33] <xskoulax> they won't listen to keyboard
[07:33] <bob2> Scorp: OS X does it, too, don't know of any linux-based ones that do
[07:33] <victor> alright
[07:33] <Cloudchaser> i'm sorry crimsun, i missed a letter
[07:34] <Scorp> I see
[07:34] <SmokingFire> crimsun: I can't find it. I have universe and multiverse enabled
[07:34] <xskoulax> wtf? text editor dosn't either
[07:34] <Cloudchaser> i got it now
[07:34] <Cloudchaser> thanks ;)
[07:34] <crimsun> SmokingFire: `apt-cache policy xmltv'
[07:34] <crimsun> SmokingFire: if that returns nothing, then it's only in hoary/universe
[07:34] <Cloudchaser> thats why it didn't work the first time...cause i missed a letter
[07:35] <xskoulax> nm now it all of a sudden listens
[07:35] <SmokingFire> crimsun: returns nothing
[07:35] <bob2> yes
[07:35] <Cloudchaser> must be time to sleep
[07:35] <victor> anyway
[07:35] <crimsun> SmokingFire: then it's as I said regarding hoary/universe
[07:35] <victor> good distro
[07:36] <SmokingFire> crimsun: I'm adding the hoary repos temporary just to fetch it
[07:36] <plasmo> good weed :)
[07:36] <huwr> hrm... So I install Ubuntu and use ReiserFS on my boot partition, then Grub goes and has an error saying "Cannot mount selected partition", and apparently that means it can't recognise the filesystem.
[07:36] <huwr> Any ideas?
[07:37] <crimsun> SmokingFire: that's a really dangerous thing to do...
[07:37] <newbiewan> shianux: I found using the framebuffer was the only way I could get 1280x1024 resolution with some distros like BeatrIX. The cheat code was fb1280x1024.
[07:37] <SmokingFire> crimsun: as long as it can't physically destroy my computer its ok.
[07:37] <shianux> hi all, back, and I'm still stuck in 640x480 hell
[07:38] <Scorp> how do I set the time correctly?
[07:38] <crimsun> SmokingFire: you might end up with a bigger headache
[07:38] <Scorp> sorry for being such a loser it's been awhile
[07:38] <bob2> shianux: you didn't find the bug report yet?
[07:38] <bob2> Scorp: 'sudo ntpdate'
[07:39] <Scorp> ty
[07:39] <shianux> bob2: the few that I could find didn't seem to have any clues on how to fix it...
[07:39] <huwr> or people could just ignore me, that works, too. :p
[07:39] <Cloudchaser> scorp i know the feeling..
 shianux: I found using the framebuffer was the only way I could get 1280x1024 resolution with some distros like BeatrIX. The cheat code was fb1280x1024.
[07:39] <Scorp> wait wait ntpdate and is there a server I need to specify?
[07:40] <newbiewan> Ooops, he quit again.  :-/
[07:40] <plasmo> select the server from the clock
[07:40] <bob2> huwr: try asking on the list, I guess
[07:40] <bob2> Scorp: no, it defaults to one
[07:41] <bob2> (ntp.ubuntulinux.org)
[07:41] <Scorp> ok
[07:42] <flamesrock> hi, I was hoping one of you knowledgeable people could answer a question about ftp for me?
[07:42] <niran> ask away
[07:42] <bob2> it's best to just ask
[07:43] <flamesrock> Is it possible to have multiple people simultaneously use the same ftp account?
[07:43] <bob2> yes
[07:43] <flamesrock> excellent, tx :)
[07:44] <bob2> but it's a bad idea
[07:44] <bob2> why would you want people to share?
[07:44] <flamesrock> whys that?
[07:44] <flamesrock> well its an open repository pretty much
[07:44] <bob2> same reason it's bad to have people share unix accounts
[07:44] <bob2> open repository of what?
[07:44] <flamesrock> savegame files
[07:45] <bob2> hah
[07:45] <flamesrock> the user doesn't know directly though - its handled by the client
[07:45] <bob2> why not just have anonymous ftp upload then?
[07:45] <flamesrock> well I could, but I want the files to have a tiny bit of protection from people with bad intentions
[07:46] <flamesrock> the user never sees the ftp username and password
[07:46] <flamesrock> and its changed daily..well the design decision might change
[07:47] <flamesrock> I just needed to know before I programmed something into it that would make the whole design fall like a house of cards
[07:48] <ArCHoNKoG> anyone played wma with xmms
[07:48] <flamesrock> anonymous ftp would be good if the files didn't need to be overwritten though :), but they do since its like a multiplayer thing
[07:48] <flamesrock> yup, you need to download the plugin
[07:49] <flamesrock> but it doesn't completely work
[07:49] <ArCHoNKoG> which one
[07:49] <ArCHoNKoG> because i have been searching
[07:50] <flamesrock> just type xmms into synaptic
[07:50] <flamesrock> come to think of it, you might need to enable the universe
[07:50] <GotD0t> flamesrock: how does the client recieve the new password?
[07:51] <flamesrock> kindof a silly implemenation..but it stores the password and username in a file, encoded (I was thinking of using rotor)
[07:51] <flamesrock> on the server
[07:52] <GotD0t> flamesrock: so any thing that logs onto the server can retrieve the encoded password for the day
[07:52] <flamesrock> thats the one thing holding me back from distributing the source actually
[07:52] <flamesrock> not directly, its all handled by the client
[07:52] <flamesrock> and since they don't see the source, they won't know how to encode it
[07:53] <GotD0t> flamesrock: i mean, anything that looks like the client will be able retrieve the encoded password?
[07:53] <flamesrock> yup heh
[07:53] <flamesrock> anybody can just type the url in
[07:54] <GotD0t> flamesrock: so you're not even using your own protocol...
[07:55] <flamesrock> nope, I completely suck at programming right now
[07:55] <flamesrock> how would I do that?
[07:55] <saguro12> I have an IBM laptop, and I am concerned as my fan does not turn on in this distro...
[07:55] <saguro12> can anyone help me?
[07:55] <GotD0t> flamesrock: so theres no way of telling if its actually the client asking for the encoded password or just someone in a web browser
[07:55] <GotD0t> saguro12: did you install with acpi?
[07:55] <flamesrock> nope :) I'm relying on a special encoding to keep them hidden
[07:56] <GotD0t> hehe
[07:56] <saguro12> yes. gotdot.
[07:56] <saguro12> should I not have?
[07:56] <flamesrock> it might not work though, I'm not experienced with this stuff
[07:56] <GotD0t> saguro12: then i've no clue... no experience with laptops
[07:56] <flamesrock> how would you do it?
[07:56] <GotD0t> flamesrock: how are you encoding?
[07:56] <flamesrock> you know the enigma machine code?
[07:56] <saguro12> hmmm...I've tried the net, but there's not much around..  you know any websites that might help?
[07:57] <GotD0t> flamesrock: hahaha
[07:57] <flamesrock> I was going to do that 3 times over
[07:57] <flamesrock> lol
[07:57] <GotD0t> flamesrock: i could crack something encoded with that... and im just in highschool
[07:57] <flamesrock> I know its stupid but I have no idea how else to do it
[07:57] <GotD0t> flamesrock: now that you know how to do it
[07:57] <GotD0t> flamesrock: why password protect it at all?
[07:57] <bob2> saguro12: try asking on the user list
[07:58] <flamesrock> from malicious users basically. I trust most people, but there are always guys who want to mess around with it
[07:59] <GotD0t> flamesrock: so you want to keep people from modifying the game data
[07:59] <bob2> it sounds like a malicious user can overwrite everyone elses files, tho
[07:59] <GotD0t> bob2: if they pull the password
[08:00] <saguro12> user list?
[08:00] <bob2> saguro12: mailing list
[08:00] <flamesrock> nope, lol...thats the irony. I WANT people to modify the game data
[08:00] <bob2> GotD0t: which every client will have
[08:00] <flamesrock> its a multiplayer repository type thing
[08:00] <bob2> flamesrock: so what's the password protecting then?
[08:00] <GotD0t> flamesrock: you want the CLIENT to modify the data, not hte user itself
[08:00] <flamesrock> but this way I can track IP's and have a little security
[08:00] <saguro12> thanks bob2.  I'll go to the ubuntu forum and post.
[08:00] <bob2> saguro12: the list, not the forum
[08:01] <saguro12> sorry.
[08:01] <flamesrock> pretty much. The user creates the new files and overwrites the old ones
[08:01] <GotD0t> flamesrock: see what you need to do is have the SERVER handle all data and have the clients retrieve the data from the server
[08:01] <flamesrock> thats the original way we did it, hehe
[08:02] <flamesrock> but it was way too cumbersome
[08:02] <ArCHoNKoG> has anyone got gdesklet-data to work ?
[08:02] <GotD0t> flamesrock: thats the most secure way
[08:02] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: lots of people
[08:02] <flamesrock> we did it with php and mysql. But it was hardly usable because users had to jump through so many hoops
[08:02] <bob2> tho it's possible it was broken in hoary by python 2.4
[08:03] <flamesrock> this way, there's less security, but its extremely easy to use
[08:03] <ArCHoNKoG> bob2, would you know it won't load
[08:03] <GotD0t> flamesrock: hmm
[08:04] <flamesrock> and faster (you'd have to download ~3megs of data first the serverside way)
[08:04] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: ?
[08:04] <GotD0t> flamesrock: its a bad idea to save any data on the users hard disk unencrpypted
[08:05] <bob2> you can't usefully encrypt it in Free Software
[08:05] <GotD0t> bob2: exactly... thats why an open source MMO (like planeshift) doesn't save stuff on the users hard disk
[08:05] <flamesrock> yup, I was planning on reading it directly to memory :)
[08:06] <bob2> right
[08:06] <GotD0t> flamesrock: explain that statement
[08:06] <flamesrock> but most of the people using the system will be fairly young, so I'm not too worried
[08:07] <flamesrock> well, downloading the file, opening the contents and deleting it immediately
[08:07] <flamesrock> and then unencoding
[08:07] <GotD0t> flamesrock: so you don't store any data on their hard disk
[08:08] <flamesrock> only things like configuration files
[08:08] <GotD0t> flamesrock: ok then
[08:08] <GotD0t> flamesrock: so lemme get this straight
[08:08] <ArCHoNKoG> bob2, when i click on it in app i just get a windows saying starting gdesk and give it like 20 secound the windows closes
[08:09] <GotD0t> flamesrock: someone plays the game, any changes made to the character or whatever gets sent to the server, and then when they log on again they retrieve it again?
[08:09] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: ok.  try asking on the user list, I guess
[08:10] <flamesrock> well, its a region composed of cities. A user claims however many cities, plays them, uploads their cities, and downloads the other users cities
[08:10] <GotD0t> flamesrock: and they upload it to a ftp server with a password?
[08:10] <GotD0t> flamesrock: which changes every day?
[08:10] <flamesrock> yup, well the client does it automatically basically
[08:10] <flamesrock> come to think of it
[08:11] <flamesrock> theres not much of a reason to change the password if they can crack it
[08:11] <GotD0t> flamesrock: right, ok... and how exactly do they receive the pasword each day
[08:11] <bob2> they don't need to crack it, you gave it to them
[08:11] <flamesrock> it has something to do with the way they login:
[08:11] <Scorp> during the installation I got to the part where I install extra software and now all I'm seeing are "Setting up python**-****" lines how long is this going to take?
[08:11] <bob2> Scorp: not too long
[08:11] <Scorp> bob2 it's already taking too long lol
[08:12] <flamesrock> nope, I don't give it to them, bob2, the client gets it. When a user registers
[08:12] <Scorp> I'm on python2.3-reportlab (1.19debian-0.1)
[08:12] <flamesrock> the client generates a key string of 10 letters/numbers
[08:12] <bob2> flamesrock: that means they have it
[08:12] <flamesrock> and saves a file under that name
[08:12] <Scorp> or pyopenssl
[08:12] <flamesrock> hmm I don't think so
[08:12] <bob2> Scorp: go make a cup of tea or something...you don't have to sit and watch it
[08:12] <flamesrock> that key.txt contains their info
[08:12] <ryan_> Hi all. I have installed xmms, but it will not open. It is giving me a weird error when i try to launch it from a terminal. here is the info. http://www.pastebin.com/133458  Do you know what is going on?
[08:12] <Cloudchaser> g'night everyone and thanks for all the help!!!
[08:12] <bob2> flamesrock: if you send it to the client, the user has it
[08:13] <flamesrock> the directory which its stored in has apache listing turned off
[08:13] <bob2> ryan_: something about linker inconsitencies?
[08:13] <flamesrock> so the client has to access it directly
[08:13] <Scorp> bob2 yeah but as soon as I leave it'll finish
[08:13] <flamesrock> if it exists, the client can then access and unencode the file which contains the password and user
[08:14] <bob2> this sounds like you're just adding layers of obscurity...
[08:14] <GotD0t> exactly
[08:14] <flamesrock> heh, pretty much, but like I said its makeshift :)
[08:14] <flamesrock> I don't want to make it so secure that it makes the concept unusable
[08:14] <GotD0t> flamesrock: how is the data stored on the server
[08:14] <bob2> you don't have to
[08:15] <ryan_> bob2: lol, srry, im tired, i just installed libmikmod2 and it now works...guess i need to use my brain more often :P
[08:15] <bob2> make each client generate a key and send the public part during registration
[08:15] <bob2> then have them sign their files before they upload it
[08:15] <flamesrock> the user keys are stored in an unlistable directory. The regions are stored under the ftp directory, in seperate folders
[08:15] <bob2> ryan_: ah, right, the old-bug-in-the-nvidia-drivers thing
[08:15] <flamesrock> the config files are located all over the place
[08:15] <flamesrock> kinda messy
[08:16] <ryan_> bob2: now that i have installed libmikmod2...will it mess up my nvidia drivers?
[08:16] <bob2> ryan_: no, it works around a bug in them
[08:16] <flamesrock> could you explain that in a little more detail bob2?
[08:16] <bob2> \don't think anyone knows why it works
[08:16] <bob2> flamesrock: which bit?
[08:16] <GotD0t> flamesrock: do you know what pgp is?
[08:16] <flamesrock> make each client generate a key and send the public part during registration
[08:16] <flamesrock> then have them sign their files before they upload it
[08:16] <ryan_> bob2: thats pretty weird...anyways, thanks!!!!
[08:16] <bob2> a gpg/pgp key
[08:16] <bob2> ryan_: you're welcome
[08:17] <flamesrock> hmm interesting..I've heard the term thrown around. how does it work?
[08:17] <bob2> what term?
[08:17] <flamesrock> pgp
[08:17] <GotD0t> flamesrock: yea... and then you have the client sign all files to make certain that the files are coming from the client and not from the user directly
[08:17] <bob2> www.gnupg.org
[08:17] <flamesrock> tx
[08:18] <bob2> in this case, then you can be sure that the person who registers i sthe person who subsequently uploads files
[08:18] <flamesrock> awesome idea, tx guys :)
[08:18] <flamesrock> I think that'll actually work
[08:18] <GotD0t> bob2: but it still doesn't protect against a malicious user
[08:18] <bob2> of course
[08:18] <bob2> you need some way to control who registers
[08:19] <GotD0t> what do you mean
[08:19] <kipod> good morning
[08:20] <flamesrock> I wanted to use public registration, but record the ip info into a special file to track them
[08:20] <GotD0t> flamesrock: cant work... most people don't have a static
[08:20] <bob2> GotD0t: any system needs some way to deal with 'random idiots signing up'
[08:21] <flamesrock> true..
[08:21] <GotD0t> bob2: but an idiot is not who you'd be protecting against
[08:22] <flamesrock> in the old system, we only had one malicious user
[08:22] <bob2> meh, you need to deal with untrusted people signing up, malicious or otherwise
[08:22] <flamesrock> exactly
[08:22] <GotD0t> bob2: well its a game... im assuming they'll all be untrusted
[08:22] <bob2> exactly
[08:23] <GotD0t> bob2: so signing the files doesn't do anything
[08:23] <bob2> er? yes it does.
[08:23] <flamesrock> lol
[08:23] <bob2> it punts the responsibility to the signup stage
[08:23] <bob2> instead of just letting random people upload anything at any time
[08:23] <GotD0t> bob2: because any reasonably intelligble person could grab their own key of their hard disk and sign a modified save file
[08:24] <bob2> of course
[08:24] <bob2> but you know it was them, then
[08:24] <GotD0t> bob2: but how do you know its modified... i think thats the point... to keep people from messing with the save files
[08:24] <bob2> under flamesrock's system, any user can bring the whole thing down with no way of knowing who it was
[08:24] <bob2> GotD0t: all you gain is knowing who did what
[08:24] <GotD0t> bob2: if you can figure out that it was indeed modified in the first place
[08:25] <bob2> ?
[08:25] <bob2> you know when and by who each file was modified
[08:25] <bob2> that's how signatures work
[08:25] <GotD0t> bob2: right, you know whos uploading it... but you don't know if the data in it comes from the game or comes from someone messing with the file and then uploading it through ftp
[08:26] <bob2> of course
[08:26] <flamesrock> true
[08:26] <GotD0t> bob2: which is exactly what im assuming he'd want to avoid
[08:26] <bob2> you can't ever know that if you let the clients do any calulation
[08:26] <GotD0t> bob2: that was my original point
[08:26] <GotD0t> bob2: theres no way to secure his current system
[08:26] <flamesrock> yup, somebody could just rename a text file as .sc4 and mess things up pretty past
[08:27] <flamesrock> *fast
[08:27] <flamesrock> hmm
[08:27] <flamesrock> not completely secure, but the pgp idea would help, right?
[08:28] <GotD0t> flamesrock: it would be able to tell you precisely who uploaded the data
[08:28] <flamesrock> ah, as long as I could track 'em down :)
[08:29] <GotD0t> flamesrock: and keep someone from modifying someone elses data
[08:29] <GotD0t> flamesrock: you could track em down, if you could find out some way to tell if the data is authentic
[08:29] <Scorp> damn it's still Setting up stuff
[08:29] <Scorp> what's up with that
[08:29] <Scorp> it's on gnome
[08:30] <Scorp> how much more to go?
[08:30] <flamesrock> ahh
[08:38] <drspin> what is the best way to make "cp -R /mnt/data/dir/*.txt /home/user/folder/
[08:38] <drspin> "
[08:38] <drspin> work?
[08:40] <Astinus> Does Hoary have OpenOffice 2.0?
[08:40] <GotD0t> nope
[08:40] <flamesrock> do you have python installed?
[08:40] <crimsun> drspin: for i in `find /mnt/data/dir -name '*.txt'` do cp "$i" /home/user/folder/.; done
[08:41] <flamesrock> I guess that'll work to ;)
[08:41] <crimsun> be aware that my bash syntax is rusty
[08:41] <housetier> wouldnt find /mnt/data/dir -name "*.txt* -exec cp \{\} /home/user/folder \; work too?
[08:41] <crimsun> so you may need an additional semicolon
[08:42] <crimsun> housetier: sure
[08:42] <Scorp> well
[08:42] <Scorp> I'm pretty impressed
[08:42] <housetier> I wonder if that can be done with one cp command...
[08:42] <Scorp> and I didn't even get to the gnome desktop yet
[08:42] <housetier> cp $(find the stuff) /target/dir
[08:43] <crimsun> housetier: if all the .txt files are in that one dir, then yes.
[08:43] <crimsun> it'd be a simple cp /foo/*.txt /some/other/.
[08:44] <Scorp> ok how do I configure the network? I screwed it up during the initial installation
[08:46] <drspin> hmmmm
[08:48] <ArCHoNKoG> has anyone here have any problems with gdesklet ?
[08:50] <drspin> let's rethink this question - I need to recursively open all of the sub-dirs in folder "/" checking for '*.txt' files -- if it finds a file of this type, copy 'directory/containing/txtfile/txtfile.txt'
[08:50] <Scorp> is this part of the plan ? how do I configure the network
[08:50] <Scorp> I can't find any docs
[08:50] <flamesrock> its a ram hog..thats all
[08:51] <flamesrock> what problems are you having ArCHoNKoG
[08:52] <drspin> scorp: be more specific with your question -- what do you need configured?
[08:52] <Scorp> the network
[08:52] <Scorp> ie I need to connect to my LAN
[08:53] <Scorp> it was going to do it automatically but the wire was unplugged during installation so it didn't do it
[08:53] <drspin> Scorp: hey hey - do you need to manually set ip/subnet/domain or is this taken from a DHCP server?
[08:53] <bob2> drspin: find -name "*.txt" is a start
[08:53] <Scorp> DHCP
[08:53] <melazyboy> New version of mplayer released today pre6
[08:53] <bob2> Scorp: plug it in and run 'sudo dhclient eth0'
[08:53] <drspin> bob2: thanks
[08:53] <drspin> was gonna have to look it up...
[08:54] <bob2> copying with the full path will be fun
[08:54] <Scorp> bob2 thank you
[08:55] <Scorp> ok well that's wierd it didn't work
[08:55] <drspin> Scorp: type "ifconfig" what does it say about ETH0?
[08:56] <Scorp> drspin will do in just 1 sec
[08:56] <Scorp> because the laptop decided to reboot
[08:56] <Scorp> because I pulled out the battery on accident :)
[08:56] <ArCHoNKoG> flamesrock, i will go to apps so i can get gdesklets to work nothing happens
[08:57] <bob2> do you know how to use gdesklets?
[08:57] <ArCHoNKoG> bob2, nope
[08:58] <bob2> are you sure your problem isn't stemming from not reading the README?
[08:59] <Scorp> drspin it says nothing about eth0 when I type ifconfig
[08:59] <drspin> bob2: ok I have a file "output" that is a text file that contains the results of my find :)
[08:59] <Scorp> does that mean it's not configured in the kernel?
[08:59] <ArCHoNKoG> bob2, what readme ?
[08:59] <ArCHoNKoG> where is it
[08:59] <drspin> Scorp: try this: "sudo ifup eth0"
[08:59] <bob2> Scorp: dmesg | grep eth0, does it print anything?
[08:59] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: /usr/share/doc/gdesklets/
[09:00] <Scorp> ignoring unknown interface
[09:00] <Scorp> bib2 yeah
[09:00] <drspin> you need to load drivers for your NIC
[09:00] <Scorp> Sun GEM (PCI)
[09:00] <bob2> drspin: no
[09:00] <Scorp> plus other things
[09:00] <bob2> 'sudo ifconfig eth0 up', then run dhclient
[09:01] <Scorp> DHCP Disocver on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7,8,19
[09:01] <Scorp> except DHCPDISCOVER
[09:02] <drspin> bob2: why wouldn't "ifup" work for that... that's all you did?!?
[09:02] <bob2> drspin: no, ifup does something else
[09:02] <bob2> that involves parsing /etc/network/interfaces, which on Scorp's machine knows nothing of eth0
[09:02] <bob2> what I said just tells the kernel to bring it up
[09:03] <Scorp> nevermind it works
[09:03] <drspin> ah - ok
[09:03] <Scorp> thank you all
[09:03] <bob2> you'll need to edit /etc/network/interfaces if you want it to work after the next reboot
[09:04] <Scorp> new gnome seems pretty slick eh?
[09:05] <Scorp> is there a howto on getting the rest of the ppc stuff to work aswell? (ie the volume/brightness buttons?)
[09:05] <flamesrock> looks even better with the mac OSX theme :)
[09:05] <drspin> ok so I have a list of a bunch of files... but they're all in 40 directories... if there was a way to just use the folders rather than the individual files this would go much faster :)
[09:05] <Astinus> How problemmatic is an average upgrade to Hoary?
[09:05] <flamesrock> not sure
[09:06] <flamesrock> (directed to Scorp)
[09:06] <Scorp> I see
[09:06] <Scorp> ok well time to play around with this baby :)
[09:06] <drspin> Scorp: what laptop you on?
[09:06] <Scorp> powerbook g3 pismo
[09:07] <bob2> Scorp: install pbbuttonsd
[09:07] <Scorp> 400 / 192 megs of ram
[09:07] <Scorp> bob2 how? (I'm completely new to debian style installation of things)
[09:07] <bob2> Scorp: computer -> system preferences -> synaptic
[09:07] <drspin> pbbuttonsd should do the volume and brightness buttons
[09:07] <bob2> Scorp: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[09:08] <Scorp> I don't have a system preferences menu
[09:08] <Scorp> nm
[09:08] <Scorp> I do
[09:08] <bob2> Astinus: don't try it if you're not comfortable with hitting bugs and potentially not having a usable system very occasionally
[09:08] <Astinus> bob2 :  I'm fairly used to a few bugs, and could use the more up to date packages - especially latest Apache builds
[09:09] <Astinus> bob2:  But I wondered what the transition to XOrg is like?
[09:09] <bob2> smooth as long as you don't use nvidia
[09:09] <Astinus> argh ffs
[09:09] <Astinus> I'm actually running vesa at the moment though..
[09:09] <Scorp> oh what do you know I already had pbbuttonsd :)
[09:09] <Scorp> what's that gui thing for it though?
[09:10] <Scorp> gtkpbbuttons or osmething?
[09:10] <bob2> yes
[09:10] <drspin> bob2: I want to copy every folder under "/" that contains a "*.txt" file to "/folder" -- maybe that's a better approach?
[09:10] <Astinus> bob2:  Any added instability issues which come from me using AMD64?
[09:11] <bob2> Astinus: don't know of any aside from flakey hardware (e.g. the nvidia-apic-lapic-io-apic saga)
[09:11] <bob2> drspin: the whole directory structure relative to /? why?
[09:13] <drspin> I'm using a hypothetical scenario to/avoid/rediculously/long/commands/
[09:13] <bob2> erm
[09:14] <drspin> seeking help with a proof of concept, if you will
[09:14] <bob2> you know about $PATH, right?
[09:14] <bob2> and symlinks
[09:14] <rvirani> When is the next scheduled update of ubuntu?
[09:15] <calc> april 2005
[09:15] <rvirani> cool!
[09:15] <rvirani> maybe by that time I will have the SMP machine I want :D
[09:17] <drspin> yes - here's my deal - I have 6000 mp3 & aac files... unfortunately support for AAC is not looking good ATM so I want to move all the AAC files to an alternate folder until they are of more use...
[09:18] <drspin> my music folder is laid out "./artist/album/01 first track.m4a"
[09:18] <Scorp> how do I decide which services turn on with ubuntu?
[09:19] <drspin> I also have some that are "./compilation/album/01 first track.m4a"
[09:19] <bob2> if you installed it, it's on
[09:19] <Scorp> I want to turn some off ;)
[09:19] <bob2> if you want it to not run, uninstall it or remove it's symlink from /etc/rc2.d/
[09:19] <bob2> or use sysv-rc-conf or update-rc.d
[09:19] <Scorp> ok ty
[09:19] <calc> wouldn't find . -name "*.m4a" -exec mv \{\} somewhere \;  work?
[09:20] <Lathiat> calc: well thatd move all files, not the whole directories
[09:20] <calc> it would probably not completely remove the old dir structure though
[09:20] <drspin> what's the period (.) in there do?
[09:20] <Lathiat> calc: yeh exactly
[09:20] <calc> Lathiat: yea
[09:20] <Lathiat> dreamer: find . means current directory
[09:20] <Lathiat> drspin: rather
[09:20] <drspin> lathiat: thanks :)
[09:20] <drspin> calc: thanks
[09:20] <drspin> :)
[09:20] <Lathiat> but that wont do what you want
[09:20] <bob2> hard-linking the trees then trimming one might be easier
[09:21] <Lathiat> could also so something like
[09:21] <calc> it would still leave the old dir folders and any other files in those folders, itunes typically doesn't have other files in those folders besides maybe playlists(?)
[09:22] <Lathiat> <lost interest>
[09:22] <Lathiat> cant find the opposite of basename :0
[09:22] <Lathiat> :) rather
[09:23] <drspin> calc: no iTunes handles it's playlists in a HUGE database...
[09:23] <calc> Lathiat: dirname?
[09:23] <calc> so he could do mv `dirname \{\}` somewhere \;
[09:24] <calc> drspin: ok
[09:25] <Lathiat> calc: thats the one
[09:25] <drspin> cp: cannot stat `dirname\\{\\}': No such file or directory
[09:25] <calc> hrm
[09:26] <drspin> mounted RO ATM... so I'm using "cp"
[09:26] <Lathiat> find . -name \*.mp3|xargs -n1 dirname|grep -v ^\.$|sort|uniq
[09:26] <Lathiat> gets a list of directories
[09:26] <Lathiat> with mp3s in them
[09:26] <Lathiat> so change that to m4a
[09:26] <calc> Lathiat: yep
[09:26] <Lathiat> then like |xargs -n1 mv
[09:26] <Lathiat> or something
[09:26] <Lathiat> or for i in `command`; do mv $i /path/to/moved/files; done
[09:27] <Lathiat> so i *think*: for i in `find . -name \*.mp3 | xargs -n1 dirname | grep -v ^\.$ | sort | uniq`; do cp -a "$i" /path/to/files; done
[09:27] <Lathiat> will copy mp3 directories
[09:27] <Lathiat> if it ruins your music collection it snot my problem
[09:27] <Lathiat> so test it :)
[09:27] <calc> it snot? :)
[09:28] <ml267> i added an app from universe.  it doesn't show up in the desktop menu.  how do i add it?
[09:28] <housetier> by now I'd have started mc and done it by hand... :)
[09:28] <Scorp> so say I want to install a new package (say fluxbox) how do I go about doing sy, do I use synaptic again?
[09:28] <drspin> normally I woulda done it by hand but people tell me all the time how powerful linux can be for this stuff so I'm trying it first hand
[09:29] <bob2> I'd go with something more like: for i in $(find -name "*.mp3") ; do mkdir -p /blah/$(dirname $i) ; mv $i /blah/$i ; done
[09:29] <bob2> Scorp: yes
[09:29] <bob2> ml267: applications:/// in nautilys
[09:30] <drspin> it seems that these commands are having issued with the spaces in the foldernames
[09:30] <bob2> ah, yeah
[09:30] <calc> drspin: wrap them with "'s
[09:31] <drspin> K
[09:31] <calc> well the needed ones anyway, eg the args to mkdir and mv
[09:31] <bob2> for i in $(find -name "*.mp3") ; do mkdir -p /blah/"$(dirname $i)" ; mv "$i" /blah/"$i" ; done
[09:31] <ml267> bob2: not sure what you mean.  config file for naut?
[09:32] <bob2> ml267: hit ctrl-l in a nautilus window, type applications:/// and hit enter
[09:33] <drspin> for i in $(find -name "*.m4a") ; do mkdir -p "/home/cole/Music\ AAC/$(dirname $i)" ; cp $i "/home/cole/Music\ AAC/$i" ; done
[09:33] <Scorp> I can't find fluxbox do I need to add a certain repository or the default ones enough?
[09:33] <ml267> bob2: that's the equivalent of windows start menu?
[09:33] <drspin> returns:
[09:33] <drspin> cp: cannot stat `./Something': No such file or directory
[09:33] <drspin> cp: cannot stat `Corporate/Leaving': No such file or directory
[09:33] <drspin> spaces...
[09:33] <calc> drspin: you left out the "$i" on the first cp arg
[09:33] <drspin> oh
[09:33] <bob2> ml267: guess so
[09:34] <drspin> same deal
[09:34] <calc> at least i think that is the issue
[09:34] <bob2> probably need to make it $(dirname \"$i\") or so
[09:34] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[09:34] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: are you here ?
[09:34] <calc> erm i breaks the spaces itself
[09:34] <da_bon_bon> bob2: hi. i got firefox to be defualt...
[09:34] <calc> er the for i loop
[09:35] <bob2> oh yeah
[09:35] <bob2> this is why sane people don't have spaces in filenames...
[09:35] <kipod> does any one else have problems with gDesklets on the hoary ver. ?
[09:35] <calc> there is some arg you have to set for the shell not to do that
[09:35] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i figured that /usr/local/firefox was created by root and hence i dont have +x.so i just set the path to /usr/bin/firefox and it works :D
[09:35] <calc> which i don't happen to recall
[09:35] <calc> ah IFS
[09:36] <bob2> oh yeah
[09:36] <bob2> kipod: lots of people, welcome to the unstable version of ubuntu!
[09:36] <bob2> kipod: if you find a solution, please add it to the FAQ
[09:36] <calc> IFS="" && ....
[09:36] <ml267> bob2: I tried creating a launcher, but nothing happened.  I'm guessing that i don't have perms to write in there?
[09:36] <da_bon_bon> does anyone know how do i import my favorties in firefox from win32 ?
[09:37] <calc> drspin: add that before the rest of your line (leave out the ... obviously)
[09:37] <kipod> bob2,  yeah sure I will
[09:37] <bob2> ml267: pretty sure you do, don't know what the problem could be
[09:38] <housetier> I am not sure IFS is still "" after the && though
[09:38] <calc> housetier: it is
[09:38] <calc> i tested it
[09:38] <calc> IFS="" && for i in $(find -name "*.m4a") ; do mkdir -p "/home/cole/Music AAC/$(dirname $i)" ; cp "$i" "/home/cole/Music AAC/$i" ; done
[09:38] <calc> that should do it
[09:39] <kipod> bob2,  can u gemme the hoary FAQ address plz ....
[09:39] <calc> at least it is on bash, not sure what other shells will do
[09:39] <housetier> it might have been empty before too, its empty here
[09:39] <calc> empty is different than null
[09:39] <bob2> kipod: 'please'? it'd be linked from www.ubuntulinux.org/support/
[09:39] <calc> er unset i meant to say
[09:39] <housetier> you have a point there
[09:40] <calc> if its unset then it defaults to breaking on spaces, otherwise if it is set to null "" it won't break
[09:40] <calc> if its set to something it add those to it
[09:40] <drspin> do I need the "IFS=... " stuff?
[09:41] <bob2> that's not null, it's empty</pedant>
[09:41] <calc> bob2: heh the manpage calls that null ;)
[09:41] <bob2> hah
[09:41] <calc> drspin: you need to add the IFS="" &&
[09:41] <drspin> calc: K
[09:41] <calc> drspin: it tells the shell not to split the for loop on spaces
[09:41] <calc>        IFS    The  Internal Field Separator that is used for word splitting after expansion and to split lines
[09:41] <calc>               into words with the read builtin command.  The default value is <space><tab><newline>.
[09:42] <calc> which is why people typically don't use spaces on unix :)
[09:43] <drspin> now I just get a list of the files
[09:43] <ml267> bob2: i was able to create a launcher on my desktop, but still haven't been able to have one in the applications:/// in nautilus
[09:43] <bob2> ml267: ok
[09:43] <drspin> cp: accessing `/home/cole/Music AAC/./Something Corporate/Leaving Through the Window/01 I Want to Save You.m4a\n./Something Corporate/Leavin... you get the idea -- at the end it says "Filename too long"
[09:43] <bob2> I don't actually use the menu at all...try asking on the user list maybe
[09:44] <calc> ah shit
[09:44] <calc> setting IFS to empty may not be what is needed then, seems its ignoring even \n
[09:46] <ml267> bob2: via email, you mean?
[09:46] <bob2> yeah
[09:46] <calc> i don't know how to make just use \n as the separator :\
[09:48] <da_bon_bon> which is the best GUI for cd writing in ubuntu ??
[09:48] <bob2> nautilus
[09:48] <da_bon_bon> bob2: no, a dedicated, advanced program, like k3b ?
[09:48] <calc> ah you have to use a real enter
[09:48] <kipod> whats the diffrence betwin './' and 'sh' ?
[09:49] <calc> so IFS="(hit enter)" && ...
[09:49] <bob2> da_bon_bon: what doesn't nautilus do?
[09:49] <calc> ./ tells it to run the file, sh foo tells it to treat the foo file as a shell script (iirc)
[09:49] <bob2> kipod: ./ means the current directory, sh is the name of the program that is a shell
[09:50] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ok... how do i create a link to nautilus cd-burning in mt menus ?
[09:50] <ted_forty> whats the nearest equivalent to outlook express in debian? mutt? i just want to set up a mail client to send and receive mail via my isps mail server? must be CLI based
[09:50] <kipod> thanks
[09:50] <bob2> kipod: if you mean "the difference between ./foo and 'sh foo'", then it's the difference between running a program (which the kernel decides is a shell script) and running a shell over a script file
[09:50] <bender> can some one help me, im new to this whole "sudo" thing
[09:50] <bob2> ted_forty: please just pick one channel
[09:50] <bob2> da_bon_bon: 'mt'?
[09:50] <drspin> calc: LOL -- I actually tried that - DUH!
[09:50] <bob2> bender: ask a specific question...
[09:50] <bender> how do i become root
[09:51] <xskoulax> whats the largest size fat32 partition you can create under linux?
[09:51] <calc> drspin: it worked then right?
[09:51] <bob2> bender: to do what?
[09:51] <ml267> bender: you don't need to be root usually
[09:51] <bender> i wana write to /usr/src
[09:51] <calc> IFS=" hit enter then " && ... is the only way i know of the force it to include \n in the IFS var
[09:51] <calc> s/the/to/
[09:52] <bob2> bender: man sudo, -s might be what you're looking for
[09:52] <bender> k
[09:52] <da_bon_bon> bob2: mt ? whats mt ?
[09:52] <ml267> da_bon_bon: you said "mt menus" in your last line
[09:53] <calc> 02:51 < da_bon_bon> bob2: ok... how do i create a link to nautilus cd-burning
[09:53] <calc>                     in mt menus ?
[09:53] <da_bon_bon> ml267, calc, bob2: oh sorry.... i meant 'the'
[09:53] <ml267> da_bon_bon: i'm trying to figure out how to edit the menu myself...
[09:53] <calc> heh ok :)
[09:53] <drspin> calc: hey!! It seems to be working!
[09:53] <calc> well i know how to do it via the XDG manual way
[09:53] <ml267> da_bon_bon:  try this.. http://ubuntuguide.org/#browseedituserprogramsmenu
[09:54] <calc> drspin: cool :)
[09:54] <xskoulax> anyone?
[09:54] <da_bon_bon> ml267: ok. i actually have a copy of the guide locally.
[09:54] <calc> xskoulax: as big as fat32 goes
[09:54] <calc> xskoulax: 2TB or something most likely
[09:54] <xskoulax> mmm thats what i was thinking
[09:54] <calc> only XP limits you to 32GB
[09:55] <calc> of course the cluster size grows
[09:55] <xskoulax> ubuntu is saying a 30Gb partition is a problem
[09:55] <bender> any one know anything about prism2_usb PRISM2 devices / wifi
[09:55] <drspin> this is one for the Scriptbank!
[09:55] <xskoulax> when i try to write the file system there
[09:55] <calc> hmm that is odd i have made much larger fat32 partitions in the past under linux
[09:55] <xskoulax> me too
[09:55] <da_bon_bon> how is gcombust for cd-burning ?
[09:55] <calc> i haven't made any under ubuntu though
[09:55] <xskoulax> i've used linux to get 100+gb fat32 paritions in the past
[09:55] <drspin> calc & bob: thanks much:)
[09:56] <calc> xskoulax: yep me too
[09:56] <xskoulax> using the live cd right now to create the partiton on a 120gb drive hooked up via usb
[09:56] <xskoulax> maybe that combination is the problem
[09:56] <calc> xskoulax: what error does it say?
[09:57] <xskoulax> mkfs.vfat: Attempting to create a too large file system
[09:57] <calc> did you pass it -F 32 ?
[09:57] <xskoulax> -f vfat
[09:57] <xskoulax> i need the 32?
[09:57] <calc> i know i had to use that at one time, not sure if its really required though
[09:58] <xskoulax> i did mkfs -t vfat /dev/sda1
[09:58] <calc> normally it only defaults to 12/16 according to the manpage
[09:58] <xskoulax> ahhh maybe thats my issue then
[09:58] <calc>        -F FATsize
[09:58] <calc>               Specifies  the type of file allocation tables used (12, 16 or 32 bit).  If nothing is specified,
[09:58] <calc>               mkdosfs will automatically select between 12 and 16 bit, whatever fits better for the filesystem
[09:58] <calc>               size.  32 bit FAT (FAT32 format) must (still) be selected explicitly if you want it.
[09:58] <xskoulax> i did mkfs -t vfat -F 32/dev/sda1 then
[09:58] <xskoulax> with the space thats needed of course
[09:58] <xskoulax> ;p
[09:58] <calc> did that work?
[09:59] <huwr> Good lord.
[09:59] <xskoulax> its trying
[09:59] <calc> xskoulax: ok
[09:59] <huwr> The installer should include cfdisk.
[09:59] <xskoulax> nice
[09:59] <da_bon_bon> how do you guys burn CDs ?
[09:59] <calc> with a hot laser
[09:59] <xskoulax> :D
[10:00] <xskoulax> thx calc
[10:00] <da_bon_bon> calc: nice joke :) what app do u use to operate that laser ?
[10:00] <xskoulax> nero
[10:00] <ryan_> da_bon_bon: are you looking for a linux app?
[10:01] <da_bon_bon> ryan_: yes.
[10:01] <calc> AA batteries :)
[10:01] <ml267> bob2: fyi, I was able to drag and drop the launcher into the nautilus applications folder.  never figured out why it wouldn't just let me create it there from scratch.  *shrugs*
[10:01] <ryan_> try k3b...it is included in universe
[10:01] <calc> you can burn stuff with nautilus or k3b
[10:02] <ryan_> with nautilus it is integrated into the file manager (kinda like win xp) whereas with k3b it is more like nero...a program simply for burning cds
[10:03] <xskoulax> YEA calc you rock
[10:04] <da_bon_bon> ryan_: its ok, but 33 Mb :( i have strict download limit...
[10:04] <da_bon_bon> my cd drive is not detected my most apps since its not scsi, what do i do ? even nautilus doesnt detect it.
[10:05] <huwr> da_bon_bon, my CD drive is just ATA and it is detected fine.
[10:05] <huwr> ah... hrm...
[10:05] <bob2> as is mine
[10:05] <da_bon_bon> huwr: i mean, reading ok, but no writing apps can detect it -> like xcdroast.
[10:06] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i mean, reading ok, but no writing apps can detect it -> like xcdroast.
[10:06] <bob2> then that app is bugy
[10:06] <da_bon_bon> ok
[10:06] <da_bon_bon> bob2: which app do u use? even nautilus is buggy? :D
[10:07] <bob2> I just use cdrecord
[10:07] <bob2> but I'm almost certain nautilus has woreked in the past for me
[10:07] <bob2> and gcombust
[10:09] <da_bon_bon> bob2: do i need to put in a cd inorder that apps will recognize the drive?
[10:16] <melazyboy> anyone know a cool gui for wget or httrack that i can suggest to someone?
[10:17] <da_bon_bon> can anyone help me with cdrecord? i want to paste output in #flood ...
[10:17] <kagou> hi
[10:22] <melazyboy> wow..
[10:22] <ArCHoNKoG> stop playing
[10:22] <melazyboy> thats pretty impresive
[10:22] <melazyboy> web interface to httrack
[10:22] <ArCHoNKoG> norris a linux user
[10:22] <bob2> it's obviously not chuck norris
[10:22] <Chuck-Norris> geez
[10:22] <bob2> some people just like to take celebrities names for some reason
[10:22] <Chuck-Norris> you people are real brainiacs
[10:23] <ArCHoNKoG> lol
[10:23] <bob2> oh, and charming, too
[10:23] <Chuck-Norris> you figured that out in 1 minute flat
[10:23] <ArCHoNKoG> bob2,  you killing the fun on it
[10:23] <ArCHoNKoG> bob2, i got it to work gdesklet
[10:23] <da_bon_bon> bob2: do i need to put in a cd inorder that apps will recognize the drive?
[10:24] <Karnaugh> da_bon_bon: the drive is always there but you cant mount it without media
[10:24] <Karnaugh> I assume auto mount would fail then and your apps wont "recognize" the drive
[10:24] <bob2> da_bon_bon: why don't you just try it?
[10:24] <da_bon_bon> Karnaugh: what if i set "auto" in /etc/fstab ?
[10:25] <da_bon_bon> bob2: it odesnt work.
[10:25] <Karnaugh> da_bon_bon: well its going to try get a file system off the device to mount it, how is it going to do that without a disk
[10:26] <bob2> Karnaugh: da_bon_bon is not talking about mounting it
[10:26] <Karnaugh> bob2: well what else is going to happen when he tries to access a drive?
[10:26] <da_bon_bon> Karnaugh: ok. but how do i do this -> i insert the cd, and it gets automatically mounted ?
[10:26] <bob2> Karnaugh: he/she wants to burn cds
[10:26] <bob2> da_bon_bon: that should already happen
[10:27] <Karnaugh> bob2: I'm responding to his question "do i need to put in a cd inorder that apps will recognize the drive?"
[10:27] <da_bon_bon> bob2: he. i assume there are very less shes here.
[10:27] <Karnaugh> and the answer is - obviously
[10:27] <da_bon_bon> bob2: no its not happening. can u give me a copy of ur fstab in flood ?
[10:27] <bob2> da_bon_bon: yes, but there are some
[10:27] <bob2> da_bon_bon: no
[10:27] <bob2> fstab is not relevant
[10:27] <bohrbug> my tvcard requires special bttv-module parameters when loading the module. I can get it to work after reboot, but where should I put module parameters so that it'll work on startup?
[10:27] <da_bon_bon> bob2: then automounter ?
[10:28] <bob2> gnome-volume-manager is in charge of it
[10:29] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ok.
[10:30] <da_bon_bon> bob2: how do i reconfigure it ?
[10:30] <bob2> computer -> desktop prefereces -> removable drives
[10:32] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ok, can u please tell me what are ur settings there, so that i can compare; since everything seems to be all right..
[10:32] <bob2> mine are the defaults
[10:32] <da_bon_bon> bob2: what are he defaults ??
[10:33] <bob2> ? the default settings.  the ones that were there before you changed them.
[10:33] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i never changed any settings...
[10:33] <bob2> ok!
[10:33] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ok, in fstab do u have "auto" or "noauto" in CD-roms ?
[10:33] <da_bon_bon> /dev/cdrom ?
[10:34] <bohrbug> When my bttv modules gets loaded with wrong parameters, how do I force it to be loaded with the correct ones at startup?
[10:37] <bob2> da_bon_bon: as I said, my cdrom isn' in there at all
[10:38] <da_bon_bon> bob2: when did u ever say that? anyway, do i set "auto" or "noauto" for cdrom in fstab?
[10:40] <bob2> 19:27:46           bob2 | fstab is not relevant
[10:41] <bob2> no, you don't set anything in fstab
[10:42] <da_bon_bon> bob2: but "noauto" is already there.
[10:42] <bob2> ok...
[10:42] <bob2> it doesn't matter, tho
[10:44] <da_bon_bon> then what do i do for automount ?
[10:44] <bob2> you don't have it in /etc/fstab at all
[10:44] <da_bon_bon> ok, but how do i setup automount?
[10:45] <bob2> no idea
[10:45] <bob2> try asking on the list
[10:45] <da_bon_bon> my cdrom doesnt appear in fstab too
[10:46] <bob2> yes, I know
[10:46] <bob2> maybe it does need to appear in there
[10:48] <da_bon_bon> so, when u insert a cd, it automatically gets mounted? u dont need to goto disks and double click to mount it ?
[10:48] <da_bon_bon> sorry, can u type again, i got disconnected.
[10:48] <da_bon_bon> i mean, after inserting a cd rom, it automatically gets mounted, right?
[11:09] <Josip> Hey everybody , just installed the sshd packages and created the keys (rsa, dsa)
[11:09] <Josip> started the sshd daemon , and connected to it via <ssh localhost>
[11:10] <Josip> just to try wheather it's working properly .
[11:10] <Josip> but i don't get the normal u/p prompt .
[11:10] <Josip> for shell logging.
[11:11] <Josip> okay, worked now with <ssh user@localhost>
[11:17] <xskoulax> whats a good dvd playing software for ubuntu?
[11:18] <huwr> I like VLC
[11:19] <huwr> It plays loads of other things, also.
[11:19] <huwr> It probably is in Universe or something.
[11:21] <xskoulax> i'll try that one out
[11:21] <Josip> can samoeone do me a favor, i mean try to connect to my ssh daemon ?
[11:22] <Josip> to check wheather it passes the firewall correctly .
[11:27] <Josip> no-ip.org is down, damned ;-(
[11:28] <Josip> no it's not stupid dns problem ;-)
[11:28] <xskoulax> vlc gets my vote huwr its playing the dvd correctly :D
[11:28] <xskoulax> gn all
[11:29] <snipes420> hi
[11:43] <snipes420> can someone recommend a cdburning app
[11:44] <DigiKill> good morning....question on Synaptic Package listings : i had to reinstall and now i cant find what i did to get lots of packages listed....
[11:44] <DigiKill> not i snipes420...i have no burner :(
[11:46] <Josip> snipes420, tried K3b ?
[11:48] <snipes420> hmm not yet ;) thank you
[11:48] <snipes420> ill look into it
[12:01] <__danie1> hai
[12:02] <__danie1> how can i (in a nice way) make gcc-3.4 default?
[12:08] <Josip> __danie1, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:08] <Josip> i think
[12:08] <Astinus> Heya:  I'm getting a weird error something like this --> 'dpkg:   amd64 not found remapping table'
[12:09] <__danie1> Josip: i do have gcc-3.3 and gcc-3.4 installed, but i don't want to set the symlinks in /usr/bin/ (like g++ myself)
[12:09] <__danie1> Astinus: what are you trying to do?
[12:09] <Josip> oh ;-)
[12:10] <Astinus> __danie1, :  Just general upgrades are definately using AMD64 packages, they show in the filenames, but dpkg keeps giving me that weird error.
[12:10] <Astinus> __daniel:  apt-get upgrade ;)
[12:10] <__danie1> Astinus: strange
[12:11] <__danie1> Astinus: i'm on amd64 too, and i'm fine
[12:11] <Astinus> __danie1:  Its a weird error, but upgrades are proceeding fine.  Its something like 'dpkg: warning architecture 'amd64' not found in remapping table'
[12:12] <Astinus> __daniel:  I can't be more specific, it scrolled past me about three minutes ago. But it happens a lot.
[12:12] <Astinus> __danie1, :  like this error http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/01/msg00729.html but substitute with AMD64
[12:17] <snipes420> k3b seems heavy on the kde dependancys. any gnome cd burning apps recommended?
[12:20] <Josip> tried sf.net ?
[12:21] <snipes420> sourceforge
[12:21] <Josip> yes, i can't remebmer the app's name .
[12:21] <snipes420> no but good answer :)
[12:21] <snipes420> ty
[12:22] <Astinus> Current status of reiser4 on AMD64 architecture?
[12:28] <gipfex> hi!
[12:30] <snipes420> hi
[12:31] <Astinus> Okay, Hoary is officially a good improvement.
[12:32] <snipes420> do you recomend warty users upgrade to hoary?
[12:32] <Astinus> Probably not :oP  But then I'm not a developer, ask one of them.
[12:33] <snipes420> i dont use my machine for any thing important. just this :P
[12:33] <snipes420> but I hate reinstalling. fsck windows.
[12:34] <Astinus> Well there are nodoubt bugs in Hoary :P
[12:34] <Astinus> Even a few serious ones will pop up now and again.
[12:34] <snipes420> thewre are bugs in warty too
[12:35] <__daniel> hmmmmm, export CC=gcc-3.4 still doesnt do it
[12:35] <Astinus> snipes420:  Aye, but theoretically there could be bugs in Hoary which stop your ubuntu booting :oP
[12:35] <Astinus> snipes420:  There aren't many of those in Warty
[12:35] <snipes420> true. but my xwindows crashes and I lose all my open windows on a regular basis. like once a day
[12:36] <Josip> I am installing mysql , i've tar-ed the archive and copied the directory to /usr/local/mysql
[12:36] <Astinus> snipes420: Heh, seriously I'm not the right person to be asking. Unless you feel comfortable messing with bleeding edge, I wouldn't.
[12:36] <snipes420> I also have upgraded with univese so I shouldnt complain
[12:36] <Josip> added the mysql group, user etc. and mv /usr/local/mysql/share/fill_help_tables.sql /usr/local/mysql/support-files
[12:37] <Josip> but when i try to execute this script </usr/local/mysql/scripts/mysql_install_db --user=mysql> i get this error <Could not find help file 'fill_help_tables.sql' in ./support-files or inside ..>
[12:37] <cerro> buenas
[12:37] <Josip> i am logged as root ofcourse .
[12:37] <cerro> hi from Madrid
[12:38] <etorix> really?
[12:38] <cerro> how i change the system language??
[12:38] <etorix> how?
[12:38] <Josip> any ideas why this happens ?
[12:40] <cerro> i need change the default language
[12:40] <techn9ne> how do you install a .deb file thats downloaded?
[12:41] <__daniel> techn9ne: sudo dpkg -i bla.deb
[12:41] <__daniel> cerro: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:41] <cerro> Thankx
[12:41] <techn9ne> __daniel : thanks
[12:41] <__daniel> cerro: then add an appropriate locale and set it as default (preferrably something UTF-8)
[12:44] <Josip> anybody has ideas about my problem ?
[12:46] <techn9ne> __daniel : .deb didnt install properly . how do i get rid of it . everytime i do antyhing w/ package manager it gives me error.
[12:48] <__daniel> techn9ne: can you be more specific?
[12:49] <dzon[SK] > help apt-get update >>> http://nopaste.php-q.net/104296
[12:49] <techn9ne> ok i downloaded the brother drivers for my printer in .deb
[12:49] <techn9ne> i did what you said and it gave a bunch of errors
[12:50] <techn9ne> now it says : dpkg: error processing mfc4800lpr (--remove):
[12:50] <techn9ne>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[12:50] <techn9ne>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[12:50] <techn9ne> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:50] <techn9ne>  mfc4800lpr
[12:50] <ztonzy> hey :)
[12:50] <__daniel> sudo dpkg --purge mfc4800lpr
[12:51] <techn9ne> dpkg: error processing mfc4800lpr (--purge):
[12:51] <techn9ne>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[12:51] <techn9ne>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[12:51] <techn9ne> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:51] <techn9ne>  mfc4800lpr
[12:51] <dzon[SK] > help! apt-get update ERROR >>> http://nopaste.php-q.net/104296
[12:52] <__daniel> dzon[SK] : did you try it again? (and: try to be patient)
[12:53] <dzon[SK] > athli: prelozis?
[12:54] <athli> dzon[SK] : zkousel jsi to znovu? ( zkus byt trpelivy )
[12:54] <athli> __daniel: sorry for czech speech, dzon[SK]  has problem with english language
[12:54] <Astinus> dzon[SK] : Looks like that repository has a problem, switch to a different one?
[12:55] <athli> Astinus: he was tried download these files manual, and it is work. problem is only with apt-get
[12:55] <__daniel> dzon[SK] : i dont care :-)
[12:57] <bon> dzon[SK]  hehe, gprs ;)
[12:57] <techn9ne> do i have to manually delte the files it created?
[12:57] <__daniel> techn9ne: don't think so, dpkg --purge should take care of it
[12:58] <techn9ne> yea that didnt work...
[12:59] <__daniel> what did it say?
[12:59] <housetier> techn9ne when you installed the deb were there any error messages?
[12:59] <techn9ne> yes it was complaining i didnt have lpd
[01:00] <techn9ne> /var/lib/dpkg/info/mfc4800lpr.postrm: line 3: /etc/init.d/lpd: No such file or directory
[01:00] <techn9ne> dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 127
[01:00] <techn9ne> dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
[01:00] <techn9ne> /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/postrm: line 3: /etc/init.d/lpd: No such file or directory
[01:00] <techn9ne> dpkg: error processing mfc4800lpr-1.1.2-1.i386.deb (--install):
[01:00] <techn9ne>  subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 127
[01:00] <dzon[SK] > my source.list >>>>>>>>> http://nopaste.php-q.net/104300
[01:00] <techn9ne> /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/postrm: line 3: /etc/init.d/lpd: No such file or directory
[01:00] <techn9ne> dpkg: error while cleaning up:
[01:00] <techn9ne>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127
[01:00] <housetier> techn9ne and when you installed it?
[01:00] <techn9ne> thats what it said...
[01:00] <housetier> did you get error messages then too?
[01:01] <techn9ne> yes i just pasted it
[01:01] <housetier> postrm hints at removal attempt though
[01:02] <techn9ne> can i open up the .deb file in archiver view the config files find out what it installed remove manually and force to rebuild deb db?
[01:03] <housetier> techn9ne what you can do is edit that postrm script so it will exit successfully
[01:04] <housetier> leave the !#/bin/whatever stuff on the first line and insert "exit 0" on the second line
[01:04] <techn9ne> it wants lpd is that a alternative to cups?
[01:04] <housetier> you will have to remove the files by hand then
[01:04] <techn9ne> thats sure a pain
[01:05] <housetier> not really
[01:05] <housetier> you can find out which files belong to the .deb and remove them
[01:05] <techn9ne> what format is .deb in tar gz?
[01:06] <housetier> its .ar
[01:06] <techn9ne> do i have to get osmething to open it?
[01:06] <housetier> if you have midnight commander installed, you can browse it
[01:06] <techn9ne> whats midnight commander?
[01:06] <Astinus> file manager
[01:07] <housetier> a very good console based file manager
[01:07] <housetier> looks like the old norton commander for dos
[01:07] <techn9ne> where can i get it?
[01:08] <housetier> first you edit the script, so apt-get et al can work again
[01:08] <techn9ne> ... i cant open the deb
[01:08] <housetier> then you install it so you can remove those files
[01:08] <housetier> techn9ne /var/lib/dpkg/info/mfc4800lpr.postrm
[01:08] <Josip> how can i add a user with low priviedgies
[01:08] <Josip> i man the user can just browse
[01:08] <Josip> nothing else .
[01:08] <Astinus> Josip:  jailed shell?
[01:09] <Josip> how to do that
[01:09] <Josip> i have installed ssh
[01:09] <Josip> running well .
[01:10] <Astinus> Uhhh, in terms of just letting a user browse I can't think of any easy way
[01:11] <Astinus> IIRC a jailed setup would lock them into their directory ..
[01:11] <housetier> have /usr/bin/firefox as login shell or so?
[01:11] <techn9ne> k i edied the file... ran /var/lib/dpkg/info/mfc4800lpr.postrm
[01:11] <techn9ne> i tried uninstalling again didnt work
[01:12] <housetier> techn9ne ok whats the error message?
[01:12] <drspin> anyone know where I can find a copy of Cadega or a good CVS install guide for Cadega?
[01:12] <techn9ne> same
[01:12] <techn9ne> inconsistent state
[01:12] <techn9ne> reinstall
[01:12] <housetier> techn9ne btw I hope this will teach you to blindly install .deb packages from "untrusted" sources ;)
[01:13] <techn9ne> well it came from brother.com
[01:13] <Astinus> Josip:  Maybe you could set mc as the shell, but I dunno if that'd work
[01:13] <techn9ne> http://solutions.brother.com/Library/sol/printer/linux/lpr_drivers.html
[01:13] <housetier> techn9ne well have you tried to reinstall it as suggested?
[01:13] <techn9ne> yes
[01:14] <chand> hi
[01:14] <techn9ne> its just complainintg because i dont have lpd
[01:14] <techn9ne> does ubuntu have lpd?
[01:15] <housetier> it should depend on lpd which it doesn't
[01:15] <housetier> it doesn't depend on anything
[01:18] <housetier> techn9ne if you are willing we could try to fix the package database by hand
[01:18] <techn9ne> sure
[01:18] <housetier> but we might not be successful as I haven't done it before
[01:18] <techn9ne> if we break it we break it i have no option left after this but a clean install of ubuntu
[01:18] <housetier> nah we won't break it
[01:19] <housetier> we will make backups :D
[01:19] <techn9ne> ok
[01:19] <housetier> you downloaded this deb here: http://solutions.brother.com/Library/sol/printer/linux/rpmfiles/lpr_debian/mfc4800lpr-1.1.2-1.i386.deb ?
[01:19] <techn9ne> yes
[01:20] <housetier> ok lets start with the easy part: removing the files
[01:21] <housetier> /usr/bin/brprintconf, /usr/lib/libbrcomplpr.so, /usr/local/Brother/*
[01:22] <techn9ne> k done
[01:23] <housetier> techn9ne ok next one is easy too then it will become more delicat quickly, "cd /var/lib/dpkg"
[01:24] <techn9ne> k
[01:25] <housetier> there are four files which we might need to touch so we will make backups now: available, available-old, status, status-old
[01:25] <housetier> just cp them to your home dir or so
[01:26] <techn9ne> k
[01:27] <housetier> well here comes the experiment...
[01:27] <housetier> available is a very large file, open it in your favorite text editor
[01:28] <housetier> then search for mfc4800lpr
[01:28] <techn9ne> open which file?
[01:29] <housetier> "available"
[01:30] <techn9ne> k i delete that block of text?
[01:30] <housetier> only the mfc4800 part, yes :)
[01:31] <techn9ne> k done
[01:31] <housetier> save and repeat for "available-old", "status", and "status-old"
[01:33] <techn9ne> k
[01:33] <housetier> no check the status with "dpkg -l mfc4800lpr"
[01:34] <techn9ne> no packages found. cool thanks.
[01:34] <housetier> ok yet another check: "dpkg --audit"
[01:35] <lavache> slt
[01:35] <housetier> moin
[01:35] <Lathiat> jdub: do you have gnome-phone-manager/gnome-bluetooth packaged for hoary?
[01:35] <lavache> kel kun c komen on devien root sur ubuntu
[01:36] <techn9ne> returned nothing
[01:36] <housetier> techn9ne it seems the package database is fixed now :)
[01:36] <techn9ne> housetier : thanks you rock
[01:36] <techn9ne> nowq i just gotta figure out how to get the printer working w/o those drivers
[01:37] <housetier> my dpkg-fu is strong
[01:37] <housetier> ;)
[01:38] <techn9ne> thats pretty easy compared to fixing windowws registry problems
[01:38] <techn9ne> you can never giure out what the installer did
[01:39] <kebac> there are registry monitors
[01:40] <kebac> they can create you registry files with which you can easily remove changes
[01:40] <kebac> and of course you see what the installer did
[01:40] <techn9ne> free?
[01:40] <kebac> sure
[01:40] <CraHan> hmmm
[01:40] <CraHan> anyone know what's up with mono-jit?
[01:40] <kebac> hmm i am not sure about that
[01:41] <kebac> but everything is free on the "internets"
[01:41] <techn9ne> not w/ the MPAA and RIAA shutting down bit torrent
[01:42] <techn9ne> i think they want to shut down the technology
[01:42] <drspin> where can I get xfree86-devel?
[01:42] <kebac> you dont really need torrent or any p2p just to get registry monitor...
[01:43] <Pozac> drspin, It's called xserver-xfree86-dev I think
[01:44] <drspin> will it resolve to sfree86-devel in a dependency check??
[01:44] <Pozac> no it's not, sorry
[01:44] <Pozac> my bad
[01:44] <housetier> xlib-dev?
[01:46] <Pozac> drspin, pardon for just joining in, why do you need it?
[01:46] <drspin> because I'm going to install cadega CVS as it's free and I need wine
[01:46] <housetier> techn9ne you could try and see if CUPS has support for your printer
[01:47] <Pozac> drspin, ok, cool :)
[01:47] <drspin> so - any ideas where to find it?
[01:48] <drspin> you don't happen to have cadega or codeweavers laying around do you?
[01:48] <Pozac> I thought they made -dev packages
[01:48] <Pozac> no
[01:48] <drspin> boo
[01:48] <techn9ne> housetier : i got it using a similar modeled printer
[01:48] <techn9ne> mfc-8600 driver
[01:48] <drspin> the winein Synaptic doesn't work - it crashes...
[01:48] <drspin> winein=wine in
[01:49] <Pozac> drspin, I think it's xlibs-dev like housetier said.
[01:49] <Pozac> drspin, you have the build-essential package ?
[01:49] <drspin> xlibs-static-dev?
[01:50] <techn9ne> ive been using ubuntu for a few weeks now. very nice cant wait to dump rhel and put debian on my server.
[01:51] <techn9ne> dealing w/ stupid rhel liscence and password issues and i didnt get that php update in time and i got hacked
[01:54] <Pozac> drspin, there's no xlibs-dev ?
[01:56] <drspin> are the search query revealed xlibs-dev
[01:56] <drspin> are=ah
[01:58] <guyttdi> hello, greetings every1. hope i'm not breaking any rules of this channel by asking... any ubuntu user from Malaysia here?
[02:02] <antti> ello
[02:02] <antti> greetings from ubuntu, which isn't working now...
[02:02] <Friczy> hi
[02:02] <BuffaloSoldier> greetings antti
[02:03] <antti> My graphics card can't make bigger than 1024x768 and ubuntu is trying bigger resolution
[02:03] <antti> so when x starts, the screen goes black
[02:03] <Friczy> mbr package is not in the main section. Can I consider it as a bug?
[02:03] <antti> where can I change which resolution gdm/gnome/x uses?
[02:03] <Friczy> antti: perhaps dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 helps you
[02:04] <BuffaloSoldier> try "gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" at the terminal
[02:04] <BuffaloSoldier> inside the XF86Config-4 file is a list of the modes your xserver is set to run
[02:05] <antti> thanks for your help
[02:05] <antti> I'll go and see does it help
[02:05] <antti> brb
[02:07] <drspin> configure: error: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a is present on your system.
[02:07] <drspin> This prevents linking to OpenGL. Delete the file and restart configure.
[02:08] <drspin> ???
[02:08] <drspin> never seen anything like this before
[02:08] <drspin> do I just delete it ? ?
[02:08] <drspin> (rename it really)
[02:09] <Friczy> drspin: you'd better backup it
[02:09] <Friczy> what do you want to compile?
[02:09] <drspin> Cadega
[02:10] <drspin> ??
[02:11] <Friczy> rename it and try again. you won't lose anything if it doesnt succeed
[02:11] <Friczy> perhaps it has its own GL development library
[02:12] <drspin> I don't believe it does -- it seems to be working
[02:12] <drspin> the configure script I mean
[02:13] <Friczy> yes. the question is: will the program work with the installed gl lib? :)
[02:13] <drspin> ?!? hope so
[02:13] <drspin> o_0
[02:13] <drspin> configre and make depend done :)
[02:24] <netmonk> on one partition I have suse, what should i use in ubuntu to format the partition?
[02:30] <snipes420> netmonk: do you have a spare partition? or a windows partition you are going to reformat?
[02:32] <netmonk> snipes420, i have windows xp, suse and Ubuntu. on different paritions, same hdd. I want to remove the suse
[02:33] <drspin> its compiling :D
[02:36] <kent> netmonk, use mkfs.ext3,  think its in /sbin/   (/sbin/mkfs.ext3 /dev/partition )
[02:40] <jono> hi all
[02:43] <jono> I am upgrading to hoary and switch my sources.list to point to hoary - when I do the dist-upgrade it complains it cant overwrite a .desktop file in kdelibs-data which is already in openoffice.org-mimelnk - I removed the file but it does not fix the error - any idea how to solve this?
[02:43] <netmonk> thanks, kent
[02:44] <jono> any clues?
[02:44] <kent> jono, you can temporarly remove openoffice?  (im no ubuntu-developer, but i would personly do that.
[02:45] <jono> kent, I tried to remove kde and openoffice and get unmet dependencies
[02:46] <kent> jono, try "apt-get remove openoffice.org-minelnk" then?  apt will remove all that has dependency problems. You can install them later again
[02:47] <jono> same problem kent
[02:47] <drspin> make install :)
[02:47] <Riddell> jono: sudo dpkg --install --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-minelnk*
[02:48] <lavache> kel kun peu maider svp
[02:50] <jono> Riddell, looks like it is back on now, thanks :D
[02:52] <jono> is X.org included in the dist-upgrade to hoary? it wasnt a few months back for ppc
[02:54] <jono> it seems to have hung on portmap now
[02:54] <jono> it is preparing to replace portmap and is rather silent
[02:54] <jono> oh it carries on
[02:54] <jono> heh
[02:55] <jono> brb
[02:57] <micolous> nvidia drivers are having issues.  I'm getting the error Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". whenever trying to start a GLX program.  This seems to be ever since the current nvidia drivers are out, currently running hoary, all packages are up to date.
[02:58] <micolous> according to the xorg logs, GLcore and glx are missing.
[02:58] <micolous> hovever glx works fine when i use the nv driver, and use mesa software rendering.
[03:04] <spacey`ki> does anyone here have an idea how to fix the problem of no sound in totem and xine? i do have sound in rhytembox (running hoary)
[03:10] <rwabel_> spacey: do you have alsa?
[03:14] <spacey`ki> rwabel_, dunno
[03:15] <spacey`ki> didn't change anything about it so i guess its what ubuntu set it
[03:15] <micolous> spacey, try running the program gstreamer-properties, and changing the default sink, then testing it.
[03:17] <spacey`ki> micolous, it seems to work when i kill esd
[03:17] <micolous> hmmm
[03:17] <micolous> then esd is preventing xinelib access to the soundcard
[03:18] <micolous> try going into xine's settings and telling it to use esd (starting esd again first, of course)
[03:18] <rwabel_> well updating to alsa could also be a solution. works well and you have multiple sounds then
[03:19] <micolous> iirc, ubuntu will use alsa by default
[03:20] <rwabel_> micolous: well for me alsa was not yet working
[03:20] <rwabel_> micolous: I had to change stuff to make it work
[03:21] <micolous> i remember changing the default sink on my mum's computer to fix issues like what spacey is describing
[03:21] <micolous> unfortuntely her computer is off, and she's asleep... so it's inconvienient to check it.
[03:21] <spacey`ki> micolous, it seems that after i killed and restarted esd it suddenly worked
[03:22] <micolous> rather odd... oh well, brb, gonna have another go with the older nvidia driver.
[03:22] <spacey`ki> well probably because i set audio.driver:esd in totem_config
[03:22] <spacey`ki> xine still doesn't work
[03:24] <spacey`ki> but i can watch movies
[03:24] <spacey`ki> so that cools
[03:28] <drspin> did I just see that ubuntu uses ALSA or OSS?
[03:28] <Marianitu> theoricaly under 2.6 it's alsa?
[03:28] <mercurus> drspin, Ubuntu uses kernel 2.6.8-1 by default, and that includes the ALSA drivers
[03:29] <mercurus> OSS drivers are available, but will break GNOME 2.8 to some extent ... unless there is a REALLY compelling reason to use OSS, use ALSA.
[03:29] <rwabel_> mercurus: so when you installed ubuntu for example in xmms you took alsa as output?
[03:30] <mercurus> rwabel_, I have run xmms through ALSA, OSS (which is actually OSS-emulation, a part of ALSA) and through esd, which is holding a device open ...
[03:30] <mercurus> esd for preference, if that fails, ALSA ...
[03:31] <rwabel_> mercurus: for me alsa never worked, then I modified some stuff and now it's working. I always had to use OSS
[03:31] <mercurus> "some stuff" ?
[03:33] <rwabel_> w8t I just gonna tell you, don't know it by heart
[03:33] <lavache> une personne peu maider svp
[03:34] <rwabel_> I found this howto: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8882
[03:34] <rwabel_> lavache: c'est koi le problem?
[03:36] <lavache> j'ai instaler linux ubuntu et je voudrai mettre internet mai la seul connection que j'ai c un modems usb
[03:36] <Pozac> lavache, this is an english channel.
[03:36] <rwabel_> lavache? t'as dsl?
[03:36] <lavache> oui
[03:36] <rwabel_> pozac: so people aren't allowed to talk in french or another language?
[03:37] <sjoerd> rwabel_: it's considered very rude if you do that
[03:37] <cat_and_fox> hi all.i've installed warty,but cant get my ati card to work with xfree with any proper driver(ati,radeon,fglrx)but the vesa one gets X up,in a slow crappy res
[03:37] <sjoerd> rwabel_: there is ubuntu-fr for discussions in french
[03:37] <rwabel_> lavache: avant l'installation il t'a demande pour la carte ethernet et si tu veuc dhcp etc
[03:37] <shampoo> Hi
[03:37] <Pozac> rwabel_, would you like me talking danish here then?
[03:37] <Pozac> hey shampoo
[03:37] <cat_and_fox> can I get xorg installed from haory? i tried but i lose ubuntu-desktop,most of gnome, etc etc
[03:37] <rwabel_> pozac: yes
[03:37] <rwabel_> sjoerd: didn't know that. okay.
[03:37] <shampoo> when ubuntu boots, it only sees 885megs of RAM but I have 1024. Any ideas why and how to fix that?
[03:38] <rwabel_> pozac: well if you tallk to someone I don't mine. if you talk to others, well not very good ;-)
[03:38] <rwabel_> pozac: btw I like danish
[03:38] <lavache> on na tous fai mai le problem il fo que je entre mon login et mon pass
[03:39] <rwabel_> lavache: okay we have to continue in english...where you have to enter that what login pass? what kind of dsl do you have exactely?
[03:39] <Pozac> rwabel_, just go in french
[03:39] <drspin> how do I get my System tray back?
[03:39] <lavache> french moi pas english
[03:39] <rwabel_> pozac: right, didn't even know that there is one in german
[03:40] <cat_and_fox> can I get xorg installed from haory? i tried but i lose ubuntu-desktop,most of gnome, etc etc
[03:40] <Olivier_54> i scuze for lavache he do not speak english
[03:40] <cat_and_fox> any ideas, anyone?
[03:40] <rwabel_> lavache: il faut changer le forum. va dans #ubuntu-fr et je peux t'aider
[03:40] <rwabel_> so last time in french, so he know where to go
[03:40] <sjoerd> :)
[03:40] <lavache> ok
[03:41] <Pozac> shampoo, try adding mem=1024M to your grub kernel line
[03:41] <Pozac> shampoo, that should tell the kernel that there is a full gig
[03:42] <shampoo> Pozac i have: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-4-386 root=/dev/hda2 mem=1024M ro quiet splash
[03:42] <ctr> hallo
[03:42] <Pozac> shampoo, humm.. very strange that doesnt work :(
[03:42] <shampoo> Pozac, and I rebooted and it still sees 885
[03:42] <pippoal> hello, i've a little problem with sound. i've a sound blaster live, all ok with emu10k1. but when i start for ex. an mp3 i dont listen nothing. if i run gnome mixer i see all "blocked". if i unblock all, nothing
[03:43] <shampoo> it's bizaare
[03:43] <Pozac> shampoo, very
[03:44] <Pozac> shampoo, what kind of computer is it?
[03:44] <shampoo> Pozac, thinkpad
[03:45] <Pozac> shampoo, ok.. shared memory graphics card perhaps?
[03:45] <shampoo> maybe
[03:46] <shampoo> Pozac, ie i dunno ;-)
[03:46] <Pozac> shampoo, does Windows find a gigabyte?
[03:46] <shampoo> Pozac, is there a way I can find out ?
[03:46] <shampoo> Pozac, yes
[03:46] <Pozac> shampoo, the BIOS.. F1 i think after shutdown -> turn on
[03:47] <Pozac> (my X21 only gives that option after it has been powered off)
[03:47] <shampoo> Pozac, what am i turning on ?
[03:48] <Pozac> shampoo, just look around and see if there is any mention of a like a shared amount or anything
[03:48] <shampoo> Pozac, ok
[03:48] <shampoo> Pozac, i'll give that a try, thanks so much for your help..
[03:48] <Pozac> shampoo, maybe the opening, informal screen
[03:48] <shampoo> Pozac, k
[03:49] <Pozac> or in on of the subscreens, as a setting
[03:49] <shampoo> Pozac, brb
[03:49] <Pozac> np
[03:50] <pippoal> hmm nobody had problems with sound blaster live?
[03:50] <ubuntu_user> what packages i need to install k3b with no problems???
[03:50] <pippoal> my system recognize it, but if i run an mp3 i dont listen nothing.
[03:50] <sladen> ubuntu_user: sudo apt-get install k3b
[03:51] <sladen> pippoal: your SB Live is fine.  Mp3 playing has issues
[03:51] <ubuntu_user> sladen, yes and... k3b not run propretly...
[03:51] <sladen> pippoal: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:51] <pippoal> sladen, thanks
[03:52] <bon> so no mp3 with xmms?
[03:52] <sladen> ubuntu_user: Ubuntu's APT does depenancies automatically--everything you need will be installed;  are you experiencing a different problem?
[03:52] <sladen> bon: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:52] <bon> i read the part about mp3
[03:52] <bon> nothing about xmms mentioned
[03:52] <bon> there
[03:53] <crocus> does it ubuntu have KDE?
[03:53] <huttan> yes
[03:54] <sladen> crocus: if you install it.  However out of the box, Ubuntu is providing you the *best* desktop possible;  and in that end, nothing KDE related is installed by default ;-)
[03:54] <pippoal> sladen, no my problem is not this one, i've rhythmbox and gstreamer installed. my problem i think is into mixer, if i run it i see all "blocked".
[03:54] <ubuntu_user> sladen, when run k3b it say that dcop server is not running, and when i run k3b as a normal user he not reconeze my cdrw, only as cdrom. i tried to run k3bsetup change setting but the error persistes..
[03:54] <crocus> huttan, can KDE be installed in the first installation or after?
[03:54] <huttan> crocus, i think it comes with the cd, atleast for warty
[03:55] <crocus> warty?
[03:55] <sladen> pippoal: get the startup output by typing    dmesg   and see if you can see any errors related to sound
[03:55] <Pozac> warty = ubuntu
[03:55] <crocus> sladen, what do you mean? does *best* desktop conflict with KDE?
[03:55] <crocus> sladen, so gnome is installed by default?
[03:55] <pippoal> sladen, no nothing, alsa start without problem :(
[03:56] <pippoal> i listen always sound when my gnome desktop run
[03:56] <pippoal> :D
[03:56] <huttan> crocus, booth gnome and kde
[03:57] <crocus> ok. are there any package list in warty site, I want to see what pkgs it has
[03:58] <sladen> crocus: Ubuntu out of the box is focused on GNOME.  The packages for KDE are all there in  universe  if you wish to install them
[03:58] <sladen> crocus: eg.  apt-get install k3b
[03:58] <crocus> sladen, out of the box? what does it mean?
[03:58] <sladen> crocus: default install
[03:58] <sladen> crocus: you know, the CD with the naked people on the front
[03:59] <mercurus> "risk management" = covering your arse
[04:00] <crocus> sladen, I see. I think the 3 ppl should be make into 5. you know the Olympic Circules.
[04:00] <crocus> should be an Asian there
[04:01] <Pozac> They should be localized
[04:01] <sladen> crocus: yes probably.  In this particular case, the people doing the photo-shoot are based in South Africa and the models are all African'
[04:01] <Pozac> :)
[04:02] <crocus> why warty favors Gnome over KDE?
[04:02] <sladen> crocus: I've heard the suggestion else where too, perhaps it would be worth sending an email to the  sounder  list with that suggestion?
[04:02] <Pozac> crocus, If you try it you will know.
[04:02] <etorix> heh
[04:03] <sladen> crocus: Ubuntu ships GNOME, because Ubuntu is trying to *provide the best desktop*
[04:03] <etorix> i much prefer kde or xfce4 over gnome
[04:04] <etorix> easy
[04:04] <etorix>  i hate gnome
[04:04] <Pozac> Especially with the human themes :)~
[04:05] <crocus_> warty-release-install-i386.jigdo
[04:05] <sladen> etorix: you'll be glad to know that you are free to install whichever you feel most comfortable with;  I'm sure you'll also be interested to know that some people are working on a 'Kubuntu' derivitive based on Ubuntu with a good KDE default
[04:05] <crocus_> jigdo means?
[04:05] <etorix> ive bin to #kubuntu
[04:05] <crocus_> sladen, when wll kubuntu come out?
[04:05] <etorix> fairly quiet
[04:05] <sladen> etorix: in the meantime you can just apt-get install kde if you wish
[04:05] <rwabel_> etorix: xfce works very well under ubuntu
[04:05] <sladen> crocus_: don't know.  Have you followed etorix's suggestion and asked on #kubuntu ?
[04:06] <rwabel_> sladen: does it really work well with apt-get install kde? I heard there are some problems. I never tried
[04:06] <Pozac> <- not up for it
[04:06] <etorix> hmm .. im gonna wait till my hardware clock is recognised and nvidia is working in hoary to do another install
[04:06] <crocus_> jigdo means? it is the installation CD?
[04:06] <etorix> 64-bit
[04:07] <sladen> etorix: can you describe your hardware-clock problems?
[04:07] <etorix> its not seen at bootup
[04:07] <crocus_> why i386 optimized? not i686? a real difference?
[04:07] <Pozac> i386 matches more CPU's
[04:07] <sladen> etorix: the hardware clock is a fundemental part (one of the simplist) parts of a PeeCee system.  Not much works without one
[04:07] <Pozac> i686 is pentium II and up
[04:08] <sladen> crocus_: it is i686 optimized
[04:08] <ubuntu_user> sladen, and ...
[04:08] <etorix> sladen .. exactly
[04:09] <Pozac> 3.14mhz
[04:09] <sladen> ubuntu_user: the packages are built with i486 instructions (to work on all processors) but with PIII/PIV optimisation
[04:09] <etorix> its not found by any of the known methods it said
[04:10] <sladen> etorix: can you paste me the error message you're seeing and file a bug on  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[04:10] <etorix> erm .. no
[04:10] <etorix>  ive deleted it
[04:10] <sladen> etorix: type  'dmesg'
[04:11] <etorix>  it was my test partition and im currently testing kanotix64
[04:11] <Pozac> way to bug for support then
[04:11] <Pozac> :)
[04:11] <sladen> etorix: it's hard to fix any bugs people might be having if people don't file a bug about the problem...
[04:11] <etorix> did i ask for support?
[04:12] <sladen> etorix: you said "im gonna wait till my hardware clock is recognised"
[04:12] <Pozac> (Implied in 'I'm not going to install hoary till [..] ')
[04:12] <Pozac> damn split
[04:12] <intinig_> I connected a USB drive to a usb port. Why isn't it recognized? It works fine on other computers and other usb drives work fine with this box
[04:12] <Pozac> intinig, any error messages?
[04:12] <sladen> nah, not a split---he left yo avoid the embarassment of having to answer that question ;-)
[04:12] <intinig_> Pozac, nothing, as if it isn't recognized
[04:13] <Pozac> sladen, Some people :)
[04:13] <intinig_> Pozac, should I check syslog?
[04:13] <Pozac> intinig, dmesg
[04:13] <sladen> intinig_:   sudo tail -f /var/log/messages
[04:13] <Pozac> intinig, like the last line after you insert it :)
[04:13] <sladen> intinig_: and what happens when you plug/remove
[04:13] <intinig_> looks like it recognized it
[04:13] <Pozac> or do what sladen said :)
[04:13] <sladen> intinig_: is  gnome-volume-manager running?
[04:14] <sladen> intinig_: sudo ps aux | grep [v] olume
[04:14] <intinig_> sladen, ps ax | grep gnome-volume-manager is empty
[04:14] <intinig_> empty
[04:14] <Pozac> Well if other drives work it should be running?
[04:14] <Pozac> can you mount it manually?
[04:15] <crocus_> does warty use its own repositories or deibans?
[04:15] <intinig_> Pozac, it worked last time I check. And today I made a big apt-dest dist-upgrade
[04:15] <crocus_> and the pkg format is .deb?
[04:15] <sladen> intinig_: what happens if you try running it
[04:15] <Pozac> crocus, its own
[04:15] <intinig_> s/I check/I checked
[04:15] <Pozac> intinig, hmm ok
[04:15] <intinig_> synaptics sais gnome-volume-manager is uninstalled
[04:16] <sladen> crocus_: Ubuntu uses .deb and has it's own package archive which is most of Debian recompiled.  Please don't mix packages
[04:16] <Pozac> well thats the tool that mounts your drives for you :)
[04:16] <sladen> intinig_: urm, er.
[04:16] <crocus_> when will Hedgehog be released?
[04:16] <intinig_> could it be that it god uninstalled in some dist-upgrade?
[04:17] <intinig_> s/god/got
[04:17] <intinig_> s/intinig/dyslexic
[04:18] <Pozac> intinig, did you uninstall ubuntu-desktop ?
[04:18] <intinig_> now I see the drive but nautilus says I don't have the right permission to read it
[04:18] <Pozac> hmm
[04:18] <intinig_> Pozac, yes when xorg broke some days ago
[04:19] <Pozac> crocus, April
[04:19] <Pozac> crocus, www.ubuntulinux.org
[04:19] <intinig_> pozac I'm reinstalling it
[04:19] <intinig_> and then rebooting
[04:19] <Pozac> yeah, try that
[04:19] <Pozac> not sure it's needed.. it just  makes sure all you need is there
[04:20] <intinig_> cya in a couple of minutes
[04:20] <Pozac> gtg soon so hurry
[04:20] <Pozac> :)
[04:21] <crocus__> I just get warty-release-install-i386.iso  to start install? I am using a amd Tbird CPU
[04:21] <Pozac> crocus, yes
[04:22] <crocus__> last question, do I need a lot of manual configuration after installation? or it is rather automatic?
[04:23] <crocus__> I mean soundcard, bootsplah, numlock status, fstab partition etc..
[04:23] <Pozac> crocus__, unless you want to order some free cds from http://www.shipit.ubuntulinux.org/ :)
[04:24] <drspin> OMG my panel just disappeared!!!!!!! I clicked the hide button and I watched it run right off the screen!!!!
[04:24] <Pozac> crocus__, soundcard - maybe, bootsplash needs a self compiled kernel, numlock is auto, fstab is auto :)
[04:24] <drspin> now how do I get it back?
[04:24] <Pozac> drspin, OFF?
[04:24] <Pozac> hmm!
[04:25] <crocus__> Pozac, reisf4 or reiserfs?
[04:25] <Pozac> crocus__, no reiser4 i think
[04:25] <cat_and_fox> anybody know how i can get Xorg on warty? I get errors saying something like "Display already started on :0"
[04:26] <codemarauder> hello
[04:26] <drspin> Pozac: yes!!! it was the weirdest thing EVER!
[04:26] <crocus__> any screen shots of ubuntu?
[04:26] <codemarauder> Hello everyone
[04:26] <Pozac> crocus__, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[04:26] <Pozac> crocus__, google is your friend
[04:27] <Pozac> drspin, ALT-F2 killall gnome-panel
[04:28] <drspin> Pozac :) thanks!
[04:28] <drspin> oooh a bug! it did it again! :)
[04:28] <Pozac> drspin, if you can reproduce it, file a bug
[04:28] <drspin> ;)
[04:28] <Pozac> file a bug
[04:28] <drspin> gnome or ubuntu?
[04:29] <Pozac> hoary I think
[04:29] <drspin> aye - ok
[04:29] <Pozac> although it looks like a gnome bug
[04:29] <Pozac> better let someone who knows look at it :)
[04:30] <crocus__> can I configure which pkg to install or it just install very thing gnome in the disk?
[04:30] <Pozac> crocus__, http://ubuntuguide.org/ !!!
[04:30] <Pozac> please
[04:30] <drspin> Crocus: if you are using a package manager - it will automatically handle your dependency issues
[04:30] <crocus__> OK........................................
[04:31] <drspin> sigh
[04:31] <Pozac> sigh?
[04:31] <drspin> thanks takes a super-long time... sigh=yawn
[04:31] <drspin> thanks=this
[04:31] <Pozac> ok here sigh=lame  :)
[04:32] <drspin> heh - that too at times ;)
[04:32] <Pozac> drspin, I recommend ubuntu-calendar-december on your desktop background while you wait
[04:33] <crocus__> thanks guy.
[04:34] <drspin> o_0 that's pretty ;)
[04:34] <drspin> LOL
[04:34] <Pozac> :)
[04:34] <drspin> Do you know of a good photo album for linux?
[04:35] <drspin> not KDE!
[04:35] <drspin> or Kapps
[04:35] <Pozac> drspin, try gthumb
[04:35] <Pozac> it has camera integration and stuff :)
[04:36] <drspin> that comes in the base install of unbuntu yes?
[04:36] <drspin> aye it does
[04:37] <drspin> heh - I think it's going to do --
[04:38] <Pozac> :)
[04:43] <drspin> now if only iTunes...
[04:44] <Pozac> rhythmbox
[04:44] <Pozac> Music Player in Applications -> Multimedia
[04:44] <drspin> useless...
[04:44] <Pozac> hmm
[04:44] <drspin> but show promise...
[04:45] <Pozac> gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[04:45] <Pozac> or do you just not like it?
[04:45] <drspin> no ID3 editing -- searching sucks -- no support for AAC
[04:45] <Pozac> hmm
[04:45] <Pozac> ok
[04:45] <Pozac> I'm not a user myself tho
[04:46] <Pozac> I use xmms :)
[04:46] <drspin> heh XMMS is very simple - but how do I manage my library??
[04:46] <Pozac> nautilus
[04:46] <Pozac> :)
[04:46] <Pozac> it's just files anyway
[04:46] <drspin> I didn't use iTuned because it was pretty -- I used it because it allowed me to manage my music library easier than anyone else
[04:47] <Pozac> there are ID3 editors that can set ID3 tags by filename and vice versa
[04:47] <Pozac> ok ok
[04:47] <drspin> LOL
[04:47] <drspin> ;)
[04:47] <Pozac> it's just files anyway
[04:47] <Pozac> so they're just in folders
[04:47] <Pozac> by artist and album name
[04:48] <drspin> LOL - yup but my library is so large that there's no searching through folders --
[04:48] <drspin> over 6000 MP3 and at least half that AAC ;)
[04:48] <housetier> only thing that makes itunes "superior" to other apps is its integration with the ipod...
[04:48] <Pozac> and maybe also the music buying thing
[04:48] <housetier> drspin how did you manage before?
[04:49] <drspin> no way - I didn't say iTunes was a superior application - I said that it made managing my music library easier than any other application that I have tried... it does have it's downsides
[04:50] <drspin> before iTunes my music collection never peaked far above 250 - 300 songs so they were all in 1 folder with no ID3 information
[04:50] <drspin> ;)
[04:51] <drspin> even if I could find just a kickass library manager I would be stoked
[04:52] <housetier> my kickass library manager is "rm"
[04:52] <housetier> I only have mp3 I like
[04:53] <drspin> housetier: heh maybe that's what I should consider
[04:53] <drspin> perhaps GTKpod is my answer :/
[04:55] <drspin> it appears that the addition of GTKpod and RhythmBox would yield something pretty close to what I'm looking for...
[04:57] <ldng> 'lo
[04:59] <drspin> could someone please explain linux fonts to me?
[04:59] <Josip> hey everybody, i've followed this guide to install php mysql and apache on my ubuntu pc < http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3657&highlight=php >
[05:00] <Josip> but when i try to get a .php / .php3 file i get the download window
[05:00] <Josip> i've configured httpd.conf .
[05:00] <tsw> Josip: have you restarted apache after the configuration
[05:00] <Josip> yes, ofcourse e.
[05:01] <Josip> i even killall'ed httpd ;-)
[05:01] <Josip> i think that apache hasn't got the php extension.
[05:01] <Josip> the tutorial is kinda stupid .
[05:02] <Josip> drspin, trying to install ttf ? :)
[05:03] <Josip> any ideas why this happens ? thanks
[05:04] <drspin> josip: ok sure - that's a start - where do I put fonts... where do I get fonts... what TYPE of fonts can I use?
[05:05] <Josip> well for ttf fonts, apt-get would be very helpful
[05:05] <Josip> or Synaptic, however
[05:06] <housetier> there be many a fonts packages...
[05:06] <Josip> yes
[05:06] <Josip> i can't remember the package name , wait a second .
[05:08] <housetier> Josip do you need php5?
[05:08] <x4m> Is there any plan to use syslog-ng on Ubuntu ?
[05:08] <Josip> sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[05:08] <Josip> well , i develop a little php, php5 has much more improvements
[05:08] <Josip> on example, the new OOP
[05:09] <Josip> a lot of new functions which make the coding much easier ;-)
[05:10] <drspin> it's installed -
[05:10] <Josip> the msttcorefonts package ?
[05:10] <drspin> I have a CD ith over 500 fonts on it...
[05:10] <drspin> can I just copy them over?>
[05:10] <Josip> hmm
[05:10] <housetier> Josip are you sure the php module is loaded by apache2?
[05:10] <Josip> cd /media/cdrom0
[05:10] <drspin> Is there a font manager in GNOME?
[05:11] <housetier> I have something like this in my apache log when it starts up: [Sun Dec 26 16:28:58 2004]  [notice]  Apache/2.0.52 (Debian GNU/Linux) DAV/2 SVN/1.1.1 PHP/4.3.10-2 mod_ruby/1.2.4 Ruby/1.8.2(2004-12-23) configured -- resuming normal operations
[05:11] <Josip> mkdir /usr/share/fonts/ttf
[05:11] <Josip> cd /media/cdrom0 (depends on the cdrom)
[05:11] <Josip> cp *.ttf /usr/share/fonts/ttf
[05:11] <Josip> cd /usr/share/fonts/ttf
[05:12] <Josip> fc-cache
[05:12] <Josip> but remember to do a <sudo -s> first
[05:12] <housetier> I have that in the error log tbh
[05:13] <Tyche> Who do I suggest a bug/fix to?
[05:13] <Josip> Tyche, www.ubuntuforums.com
[05:14] <Josip> Tyche, www.ubuntuforums.org
[05:14] <Josip> the second one ;-)
[05:14] <housetier> Josip what does your apache (error) log say when you start apache?
[05:15] <Josip> reinstalled php, same problem again
[05:15] <Josip> no error .
[05:15] <Josip> instead of the processed page, i get its source .
[05:15] <housetier> does it say something like my apache does?
[05:15] <Tyche> Thanks
[05:16] <housetier> like I pasted a few lines above
[05:16] <Josip> hmm i'll browse the logs, brb .
[05:16] <drelch> hi
[05:16] <housetier> its just 6 lines!
[05:16] <housetier> 10 maybe
[05:16] <rod> heya
[05:16] <Josip> no error logs .
[05:17] <Josip> it seems that i'm gonna solve this problem tomorrow, gotta go guys .
[05:17] <Josip> see ya
[05:18] <Josip> May The Ubuntu Force Stay With You ! ;-)
[05:18] <housetier> *sigh* 'tis a difficult world we live in
[05:18] <housetier> people shouldn't ask for help when they don't have time</rant>
[05:21] <anir> hello guys
[05:21] <anir> how are you all
[05:23] <anir> well will ubuntu run on a 64 bit processor???
[05:24] <sjoerd> anir: yes
[05:24] <esher> sure
[05:24] <anir> okay.. what what about the softwares i am using now??
[05:24] <anir> join #ubuntu-flame
[05:25] <PotajiTo> wenas
[05:25] <anir> anyways leave it..
[05:30] <galder> hola Potajito
[05:40] <drspin> so I just installed XMMS using Synaptic
[05:40] <drspin> it didn't add it to any of my menus so I went to my console and typed "xmms &"
[05:40] <drspin> cole@linux:~ $ libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:40] <drspin> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[05:40] <ArCHoNKoG> drspin, restart X
[05:41] <drspin> ...
[05:41] <drspin> what will restarting X do?
[05:41] <ArCHoNKoG> it will be in the menu
[05:41] <drspin> LOL
[05:41] <drspin> ok
[05:42] <drspin> what about just restarting the panels?
[05:42] <ArCHoNKoG> do has what you wish
[05:42] <ArCHoNKoG> i just tried to help
[05:42] <drspin> I appreciate it - I'm asking -- if I just restart the panels will it work... or do I have to restart X
[05:43] <ArCHoNKoG> restart X
[05:43] <drspin> ok thanks
[05:43] <ArCHoNKoG> alt -crlt - backspace
[05:46] <ArCHoNKoG> anyone here able to play wma files on xmms ?
[05:47] <ArCHoNKoG> guess not
[05:48] <anir> i cant install java
[05:48] <ArCHoNKoG> auir follow the unoffical howto by wiki
[05:48] <anir> i have downloaded it but dont know how to install it
[05:48] <drspin> XMMS still doesn't load -
[05:49] <ArCHoNKoG> drspin, did you upgrade your packages
[05:49] <anir> hey when i type 'su' and type my password its not accepting it..????
[05:49] <elvirolo> hi all!
[05:49] <drspin> Arch: yes
[05:49] <tsw> anir: try sudo su
[05:49] <anir> okay
[05:49] <elvirolo> is it possible to get clanlib0.7 for hoary (apart from compiling from source) ?
[05:49] <dseomn> tsw: why not sudo -s -H?
[05:50] <tsw> dseomn: that works also
[05:50] <ArCHoNKoG> drspin, sure ?
[05:50] <anir> tsw cool now its working.. is it different in ubuntu??
[05:50] <tsw> sudo su was the first I learnd :)
[05:50] <drspin> you want me to upgrade ALL my packages?
[05:50] <tsw> anir: see the dseomn answer also
[05:50] <anir> tsw: thank you
[05:50] <ArCHoNKoG> anir, http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[05:50] <ArCHoNKoG> thats fo you
[05:51] <anir> tsw what is dseomn??
[05:51] <tsw> anir: su tries to login as root and sudo is a wrapper that allows to run commands
[05:51] <tsw> as root
[05:51] <dseomn> anir: me
[05:51] <tsw> why not sudo -s -H?
[05:51] <elvirolo> no idea about clanlib?
[05:51] <anir> oky..dseomn
[05:51] <tsw> dseomn: btw what does the -H do?
[05:51] <tsw> (too lasy to read the man page :)
[05:52] <ubuntu_user> .
[05:52] <dseomn> tsw: changes $HOME, $SHELL, and other env vars
[05:52] <tsw> dseomn: ok thanks
[05:52] <elvirolo> thanks anyway...
[05:52] <elvirolo> bye!
[05:52] <rod> bb
[05:52] <dseomn> anir: dseomn is a mix of dem (my initials) and son (Some Other Nerd), my nickname
[05:52] <anir> dseomn: what will sudo -s -h do??
[05:53] <rod> why not just opening a root terminal
[05:53] <JoRock> hi I'm new to the gnome gui - is there a way I can make it less proc intensive, you know features I could turn off or something?
[05:53] <dseomn> anir: it's -H not -h, and I just explained it: 'tsw: changes $HOME, $SHELL, and other env vars'
[05:53] <ubuntu_user> anyone install one HP all-in-one in ubuntu???
[05:54] <dseomn> anir: sorry, I misunderstood you, it opens a root shell without the extra su process
[05:55] <anir> dseomn: thankx
[05:56] <TopDog> Hi. If I install the linux-686 kernel through Synapic... do I need to change anything else? Like Grub?
[05:56] <dseomn> TopDog: it automagically reconfigures grub
[05:57] <TopDog> OK.... is it safe? Don't want to mess up this install now... I have an AMD +2400
[05:57] <ArCHoNKoG> TopDog, it does it for you
[05:57] <ArCHoNKoG> TopDog,  dude you good to go just restart so it can take affect
[05:57] <TopDog> Cool... thanks!
[05:58] <rod> thats one we will never see again for sure
[05:59] <anir> dseomn: i have installed java from www.java.com and i am follwing the procedure to install it as given on the site.. but its not working.
[05:59] <ArCHoNKoG> has anyone here play wma files on xmms
[05:59] <anir> dseomn: can u help me??
[05:59] <ArCHoNKoG> anir
[05:59] <TopDog> Making jokes on my behalf? you bastard ;-)
[05:59] <ArCHoNKoG> i will give you a link ok
[05:59] <anir> ArCHoNKoG: yes
[05:59] <ArCHoNKoG> follow what it says ok
[05:59] <anir> cool
[05:59] <ArCHoNKoG> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[06:00] <dseomn> anir: install java? I wasn't really following the thread.
[06:00] <anir> ArCHoNKoG: i have installed the plugin..
[06:00] <mannsmat> for which brwoser anir?
[06:00] <ArCHoNKoG> anir that not the plugin
[06:00] <anir> mannsmat: firefox
[06:00] <rod> lynx
[06:00] <ArCHoNKoG> ok
[06:00] <ArCHoNKoG> anir
[06:01] <ArCHoNKoG> http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[06:01] <ArCHoNKoG> read that
[06:01] <anir> ArCHoNKoG: but when i type the commands to run jre.. it says already installed
[06:01] <ArCHoNKoG> just  reaad that man
[06:01] <ArCHoNKoG> i did it last night
[06:01] <ArCHoNKoG> it worked
[06:01] <ArCHoNKoG> so read the howto and your fine
[06:02] <mannsmat> anit: did you made a symlink of libjavaplugin_oji.so in your firefox/plugin folder?
[06:02] <anir> ArCHoNKoG: it showing my version is 2.3.2.so
[06:02] <occy> hey guys, what's up?
[06:03] <rod> heya
[06:03] <anir> mannsmat: no
[06:03] <occy> kinda tired :)
[06:03] <ArCHoNKoG> anir, don't worry just replace it with the one you have
[06:03] <mannsmat> so in tis case your browser is not ale to display java related websites
[06:03] <occy> rod: haha
[06:04] <mannsmat> anir: read this pls -- http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html#Java
[06:04] <occy> rod: fitgeek.org <-- there are some couch-to-run programs
[06:04] <anir> mannsmat: okay
[06:04] <rod> hey thanks occy
[06:05] <occy> rod: I lost 40lbs last year.
[06:05] <rod> i read you did 21 miles before? lol
[06:05] <occy> rod: hehe, yah. I'm trying to do my Marathon ( 26.2miles )
[06:05] <occy> hmm
[06:05] <anir> mannsmat: can u tell me how will i create a symbolic link??
[06:06] <rod> cool, great respect from me for you occy _o_
[06:06] <occy> anyone know about hsf modems?
[06:06] <mannsmat> the command is : ln -s
[06:06] <anir> occy: well done.. nice new year gift to urself
[06:06] <occy> rod: anyone can do it, it just takes work.
[06:06] <occy> anir: tx bud ;)
[06:06] <occy> rod: I started out barely able to run 1 mile.
[06:06] <anir> mannsmat: ln -s for me??
[06:07] <mannsmat> yepp
[06:07] <anir> mannsmat: it says missing file argument
[06:07] <occy> so I've gone from not being able to run 1 mile to running 21 miles this past Sunday.
[06:07] <occy> (that was the first of the year last year)
[06:07] <mannsmat> sure you have to include the path ;-)
[06:07] <mannsmat> wait anir
[06:08] <occy> I really don't want to have to buy the  linuxant hsf drivers.
[06:08] <anir> mannsmat: i am waiting
[06:08] <mannsmat> my libjavaplugin_oji.so is located here
[06:08] <mannsmat> /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_06/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:09] <ubuntu_user> HP all-in-one work in ubuntu???
[06:09] <mannsmat> my install locaton of firefox is /usr/local/firefos1.0
[06:09] <mannsmat> anir: what you have to do as root is:
[06:10] <mannsmat> ln -s /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_06/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so  /usr/local/firefox1.0/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:11] <anir> mannsmat: i will just copy and paste it??
[06:11] <occy> hmmm
[06:12] <mannsmat> ehhhhmmmm :-\ check at first your install location of java and firefox and correct if neccessary the path of the commend
[06:12] <anir> okay
[06:12] <anir> mannsmat: is your location is the default one??
[06:13] <mannsmat> not for firefox
[06:13] <ubuntu_user> humm, I need to buy HP All-in-one, it works, with all functions on ubuntu????
[06:13] <anir> okay
[06:13] <occy> hey guys, what's a good tool to setup dial-up stuff under gnome?
[06:13] <occy> I want EASY ;)
[06:14] <occy> not like the olden days in 96' when I'd have to edit the stupid ppp scripts
[06:14] <occy> heh
[06:14] <occy> It's been eons since I've messed with dial-up under Linux
[06:15] <bobmepis> gnome-ppp
[06:15] <mannsmat> ubuntu_user: Ubuntu use CUPS ... like other linux distries, so - no matter.
[06:15] <anir> mannsmat: do u know where does firefox gets install by default?
[06:15] <occy> ahhh
[06:15] <mannsmat> checke here if your printer is supported:http://www.linuxprinting.org/
[06:16] <mannsmat> anir: dont now if you installed the script install-version of firefox or the scriptless
[06:16] <anir> mannsmat: i got it by default with ubuntu..
[06:17] <mannsmat> Ohhhh ... I understand ... sorry
[06:17] <mannsmat> ehmmm I had removed this version and installed the current 1.0
[06:17] <mannsmat> what says locate firefox?
[06:17] <anir> okay..so how to go about that.. is it autu installed??
[06:18] <mannsmat> anir: no I did follow steps
[06:18] <mannsmat> downloaded the current version of firefox from www.mozilla.org
[06:18] <anir> it says no such file or directory mannsmat
[06:19] <ubuntu_user> mannsmat, yes an scanning functions an fax functions??
[06:19] <mannsmat> removed old installed firefox version and installed the new one
[06:19] <anir> how will i remove the previous one???
[06:20] <mannsmat> apt-get remove
[06:20] <mannsmat> or Computer---Systemconfiguration---Synaptic
[06:20] <anir> mannsmat : plz give me the full command.."sudo apt-get remove firefox??"
[06:21] <mannsmat> yes try it pls
[06:21] <Blackwell> hi
[06:21] <mannsmat> hi
[06:21] <anir> says couldnot find package firefox??
[06:22] <cenerentola> ciao a tutti..
[06:22] <bobmepis> ciao
[06:22] <cenerentola> some big problems:
[06:22] <Blackwell> isn't there an entry for "file manager" per default in the "applications" menu?
[06:22] <mannsmat> ok has a different name
[06:22] <mannsmat> anir
[06:23] <cenerentola> 1) after having installed ubuntu on a pc, at "grub.time" after having chosen ubuntu's entries, it gives and error about stage1/stage2
[06:23] <anir> mannsmat: how will i know it??
[06:23] <cenerentola> what's the problem?
[06:23] <Blackwell> cenerentola: unable to provide the error message?
[06:23] <mannsmat> anir: gnome panel you see a "computer menu", right?
[06:23] <anir> yes
[06:24] <mannsmat> click
[06:24] <mannsmat> the systemconfiguraton
[06:24] <anir> i am in synaptic mannsmat
[06:24] <cenerentola> Blackwell: give me a sec
[06:24] <mannsmat> cool
[06:24] <anir> then??
[06:24] <bobmepis> cenerentola : che problema hai? non ti parte la distribuzione ?
[06:25] <mannsmat> click on search and enter firefox
[06:25] <anir> oh its called mozilla-firefox
[06:25] <mannsmat> ok great
[06:25] <anir> i will remove it??
[06:25] <mannsmat> make sure that you have the new firefox present before removing
[06:25] <cenerentola> "Error 6: Mismatched or corrupt version of stage1/stage2"
[06:26] <anir> so i will download first then remove mannsmat
[06:26] <mannsmat> better it is ;-)
[06:26] <mannsmat> with wich browser do you want to browse after removing ;-)
[06:27] <anir> ah its epiphany mannsmat
[06:27] <mannsmat> ahhh ok ... its not installed on my system
[06:28] <cenerentola> other thing... after having installed ubuntu on another pc where windows was already installed...
[06:28] <Blackwell> does anyone know how to enable the tree view in nautilus?
[06:28] <cenerentola> at grub.time after chosing the "window"'s entry it just prompted grub commads like : savedefault... and nothing more
[06:28] <anir> its a nice and  small one but not as good as mozilla
[06:29] <the--dud> whats the gamma correction utility called in gnome?
[06:29] <cenerentola> Blackwell: options... 2 page... check the thing about browsing
[06:29] <mannsmat> anir: thats right
[06:29] <anir> mannsmat: can i install two diff distros of linux with windows??
[06:29] <cenerentola> anir: yes.
[06:29] <anir> cool
[06:29] <mannsmat> yeppyou can
[06:30] <cenerentola> can someone help me with those problems?
[06:30] <mannsmat> if you have enought space on your hd
[06:30] <anir> so wats the procedure?? install windows first then linux??
[06:30] <Blackwell> cenerentola: there is only "Preferences", in that there is no entry refering to browsing, it seems.
[06:30] <mannsmat> yes
[06:30] <Blackwell> anir: typically
[06:30] <anir> well can i install linux then windows???
[06:31] <cenerentola> under behaviour -> always open in browsing windows..
[06:31] <cenerentola> or sth like that..
[06:31] <mannsmat> you can ...but windows overwriting your MBR
[06:31] <cenerentola> mine is in italian.
[06:31] <anir> okay...
[06:31] <Blackwell> anir: then you will have to manually get your linux install bootable somehow. you can use ntldr (windows' boot manager) to somehow do that, but basically, at that point...you have no access to your linux installation anymore, as far as i know.
[06:31] <cenerentola> Blackwell: its the third field of the second page..
[06:31] <cenerentola> im off
[06:31] <Blackwell> cenerentola: thank you, good luck
[06:31] <the--dud> xgamma does nothing for me...
[06:31] <anir> now my problem is that.. i have win98SE and ubuntu loaded.. i wantto load winXP..so if i load Xp do i have to install ubuntu again??
[06:32] <mannsmat> thats the best way anir
[06:32] <anir> ooh :(
[06:32] <zeedo> anir: no you dont have to
[06:33] <anir> okay.. so in my primary drive win98se will always be there right??
[06:33] <zeedo> just keep a copy of your bootloader config files install XP, then reinstall your bootloader
[06:33] <zeedo> then add new entries to the boot loader for the XP install and all should work out fine
[06:34] <mannsmat> or installing an indipend bootloader
[06:34] <anir> okay zeedo thankx
[06:34] <anir> thankx mannsmat
[06:34] <anir> i will try it
[06:34] <anir> but i love ubuntu..
[06:34] <Pozac> there is a grub-floppy in apt
[06:34] <Pozac> not sure how it works at all though
[06:35] <anir> hey is there any dictating software in ubuntu??
[06:35] <anir> voice dictating
[06:35] <mannsmat> dont know
[06:35] <anir> yes i needed that.. it comes with XP..
[06:36] <anir> ;-(
[06:36] <anir> .
[06:36] <anir> .
[06:36] <Blackwell> in my nautilus installation the "view" menu entry exists, but "show side-pane" does not, as the user guide says. how to open the side pane in this case?
[06:37] <anir> give a msg to the devolopers to create something like that in linux
[06:37] <dseomn> anir: check out festival
[06:37] <Blackwell> anir: there is a dictating software shipping along with windows xp? never heard of that.
[06:37] <Pozac> Blackwell, do you run nautilus in browser mode?
[06:37] <Blackwell> anir: besides, linux is not a 1:1 match for windows. if you think it is, reconsider.
[06:37] <Pozac> Blackwell, I dont think there is a side-pane in nautilus default mode
[06:37] <anir> yes blackwell it comes with office XP
[06:37] <dseomn> Blackwell: it's in the control panel
[06:37] <Blackwell> Pozac: aha. the goal is to have that helpful tree view. the side pane seems to be able to display that, that got me the idea to open it...
[06:38] <occy> any sudo experts here....  I'm trying to do make it so pon and poff can run as a certain user with sudo.   username ALL=(ALL) ALL NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/pon, /usr/bin/poff       doesn't seem to work.
[06:38] <anir> blackwell: when ever i say something about windows why do u get hot??
[06:38] <occy> the man page isn't clear on syntax
[06:38] <Pozac> Blackwell, correct
[06:38] <Blackwell> anir: i am trying to help you adjust your expectations.
[06:38] <dseomn> anir: serarch for festival and speechd
[06:38] <anir> okay blackwell,
[06:39] <Pozac> anir, you can just proclaim "but it works in XP" - use XP and pay then. Or have someone code it.
[06:39] <Pozac> Or at least LOOK on pages like freshmeat.net
[06:39] <Blackwell> anir: office xp != xp (meaning windows xp)
[06:39] <anir> will it work with openoffice? dseomn
[06:39] <Pozac> Windows XP + Office XP = how much in dollars?
[06:39] <dseomn> anir: it only works with plain text, but you can export
[06:40] <anir> pozac: if i get what i  want i dont mind paying for it
[06:40] <mannsmat> ore than 250 Euro
[06:40] <Pozac> anir, if you don't get it and don't pay a dime, you'll still bitch and moan? :)
[06:40] <Blackwell> dseomn: what control panel?
[06:40] <anir> pozac:...
[06:41] <dseomn> Blackwell: I don't remeber, I almost never use windows, but it's there
[06:41] <Blackwell> dseomn: oh, you mean that dictation stuff. as anir said, ships with office xp.
[06:41] <dseomn> Blackwell: yeah
[06:41] <Pozac> anir, I was trying to point out that saying that "but it's in this >250 euro package" doesnt get you much help
[06:41] <anir> pozac: i am not here to advocate windows.. i am here to get the best operating system that suits me.. okay.. and if i get it.. fine
[06:42] <Blackwell> Pozac: i don't know what mode it is in. how do i find out?
[06:42] <rod> I have succesfully installed the AMD64 version of ubuntu on my system. But I cant play quake3, ET and so on because they require a 32 bits environment. Is it a big waste running the 32 bits Ubuntu version instead of the 64?
[06:42] <rod> what are the 3 biggest disadvantages?
[06:42] <zeedo> anir: http://perlbox.org/ - Linux can do everything! :-P
[06:42] <Blackwell> rod: it is a big waste not to be able to do what you want with your computer.
[06:43] <rod> true Blackwell...
[06:43] <Pozac> Blackwell, System -> Settings -> File Manager -> Behaviour -> Always use Browser
[06:43] <Blackwell> biggest waste, perhaps :)
[06:43] <Pozac> Blackwell, (my Gnome is not english, so it's not 100% correct)
[06:43] <anir> cool zeedo
[06:44] <anir> thats what i was asking blackwell
[06:44] <anir> will ubuntu run on my 64 bit processor
[06:44] <anir> rod: howz AMD64??
[06:45] <rod> anir, x86 then
[06:45] <bobmepis> anir: download GAG is a bootloader simply to use
[06:45] <Blackwell> Pozac: i see. sucks not to have the english variant, makes communication hard. which is why i installed the english variant. unfortunately it defaults to english keyboard layout then. makes entering more special chars a challenge...:|
[06:45] <rod> *64
[06:45] <rod> anir, what were you asking again? sry
[06:45] <Pozac> Not exactly sure what the requirements for dictiation software is, there is a basic sound recorder included by default
[06:45] <anir> well rod how it performs??
[06:46] <Pozac> Blackwell, :(
[06:46] <Blackwell> anir: yes, ubuntu runs on amd 64 bit cpus, in 32 as well as 64 bit mode. you should ask about the common problems when using 64 bit mode though.
[06:46] <Pozac> Blackwell, but you did enable the browser mode?
[06:47] <anir> rod: are you satisfied with the performance of AMD64??
[06:47] <Blackwell> Pozac: i cannot find something called "system" already. there is Computer/"System Configuration"
[06:47] <anir> blackwell: what kind of problems i will get??
[06:48] <Blackwell> anir: you may have a hard time finding precompiled binaries of programs that you need. some people will tell you that compiling stuff yourself is easy. wether you believe them is up to you. :)
[06:48] <rod> anir, not sure... I dont see a difference between the 32 version
[06:49] <rod> at least; i dont feel a difference
[06:49] <mannsmat> anir: its easy, when you know what you do ...
[06:49] <rod> just as snappy
[06:49] <occy> hmmm, I see a user called    hal   on my system in /etc/group   is that bad?
[06:49] <occy> heh
[06:49] <Blackwell> Pozac: top menu bar, "Computer", "System Configuration", is that what you are refering to?
[06:49] <Blackwell> occy: are you going to ask for any of the groups listed there?
[06:49] <joshua__> when making a shell script is there a way to do some parts as sudo and some not?
[06:50] <occy> Blackwell: didn't know if it was a default user from ubuntu.
[06:50] <Blackwell> i have noticed that about windows users, they would look at the windows folder and ask what each specific file in there is for. :)
[06:50] <occy> I hadn't added that user.
[06:50] <Blackwell> occy: i don't know, sorry.
[06:50] <occy> Blackwell: heh  I've not been a windows user since 96' :P
[06:50] <Blackwell> occy: but as you can see...the mechanism is there regardless of OS ;)
[06:51] <occy> heh
[06:51] <mannsmat> occy: coool , but me only since 2 years
[06:51] <Blackwell> +s
[06:52] <occy> I've ran Linux so long, I couldn't use anything else.  Tried OSX for a month, and couldn't hang with it.
[06:52] <mannsmat> I started at first with SuSE ... then Mandrake and since some days Ubuntu
[06:53] <mannsmat> and I can say: never a RPm based Linux ;-)
[06:54] <occy> hmm
[06:54] <mannsmat> occy. buts its similar to Linux due to the fact of freebsd
[06:55] <anir> well mannsmat i have downloaded firefox 1 now how to install??
[06:55] <umesh> anyone know why i cant boot my xp partition. gives me an error 13 invalid or unsupported executable format. checked online to no avail
[06:56] <anir> umesh why dont you put your XP cd in and repair the problem.. its easy
[06:56] <mannsmat> at first open a bash and go to the download location of firefox
[06:56] <anir> mannsmat: bash??
[06:56] <umesh> i dont have the XP CD. didnt come with HP.
[06:57] <mannsmat> console?
[06:57] <anir> umesh not in this room.. this is exclusively for ubuntu
[06:57] <Blackwell> umesh: :| nothing like a bad ass restore cd which wipes the pc clean ;)
[06:57] <anir> mannsmat: yes what i will type
[06:57] <Blackwell> mannsmat: "Terminal" in ubuntu, i think.
[06:57] <mannsmat> Blackwell: ty
[06:57] <umesh> and ubuntu cant boot my xp :-(
[06:58] <mannsmat> I am a german
[06:58] <anir> mannamat: no problem...
[06:58] <anir> i can understand
[06:58] <cabbie> umesh: you could try using fdisk (CAREFULLY) to check if the XP partition has a bootable flag.
[06:58] <Blackwell> mannsmat: same here. but i decided to install it in english. has issues though...:>
[06:58] <umesh> it does
[06:58] <rod> ich bin ein berliner
[06:59] <mannsmat> Hallo Berliner ;-)
[06:59] <anir> so mannsmat: in terminal what will i type??
[07:00] <cabbie> umesh: did you try the simple DOS "sys.com" command?
[07:00] <mannsmat> anir: type tar xzvf firefox.....tar.gz
[07:00] <umesh> anir tar zxvf firefox-whatever name is, go into folder and type ./firefor-installer
[07:00] <umesh> and install it to /usr/lib/firefox. make sure u r root
[07:00] <anir> okay
[07:01] <umesh> then link libjavaplugin_oji.so to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins for java support.
[07:01] <mannsmat> umesh: I had installed FF in /usr/local/ ... works also
[07:01] <umesh> would work anywhere. just what most distros do. dont know why
[07:01] <mannsmat> thats true
[07:02] <Blackwell> Pozac: ah, firing up nautilus with "nautilus --browser" did the job. thank you.
[07:02] <umesh> cabbie, how would sys.com help? what do I do?
[07:02] <Blackwell> now, how to create an entry in the "start" menu...:>
[07:02] <anir> heck:: umesh explain slowly
[07:02] <anir> lol
[07:02] <anir> getting confused
[07:03] <umesh> :-) sorry
[07:03] <Blackwell> umesh: those kinds of problems always made me use a boot disk for linux, while that was an option. ;) these days, i prefer to run linux in vmware to avoid these hassles.
[07:03] <cabbie> well, you'd use a DOS boot floppy and issue the command "sys c:"  -- It should only see the fat16 partition as C
[07:03] <umesh> and . . .
[07:03] <anir> okay umesh : fiest step first...
[07:04] <anir> tell me
[07:04] <cabbie> and that should make the C partition bootable, but I know you say there's already a bootable flag. Just worth a try.
[07:05] <anir> umesh u thr??
[07:06] <the--dud> erm...
[07:06] <umesh> yeah. nokay. /dev/sda1 is vfat (HP Recovery)
[07:06] <the--dud> anyone have an idea on this error?
[07:06] <the--dud> make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build SUBDIRS=/home/dud/spca5xx-20041224 modules
[07:06] <the--dud> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[07:06] <umesh> /dev/sda2 is NTFS the one i want to boot
[07:06] <umesh> i can boot /dev/sda1 which starts HP recovery mode which i dont want. wanna start /dev/sda2 but that doesnt work
[07:07] <umesh> the--dud, ln -s <ur linux sources> to /lib/modules.../build
[07:08] <cabbie> you might have to check your /etc/lilo.config file -- make sure there's an option for the /dev/sda2 partition
[07:08] <umesh> grub :-) but i tried lilo and it doesnt boot either
[07:08] <umesh> it was a other=/dev/sda2, label=windows
[07:08] <umesh> no luck
[07:10] <umesh> alright guys. will try something later. bye for now
[07:10] <anir> mannsmat: u there??
[07:10] <mannsmat> i am here
[07:10] <anir> mannsmat: tell me how will i install firefox1.0
[07:11] <mannsmat> ohhhh ok
[07:11] <anir> i have downloaded it
[07:11] <mannsmat> and decompressed?
[07:11] <anir> now its as /firefox-installer
[07:11] <the--dud> doesnt ubuntu use /lib/modules/{kernel version}/* for keeping modules and such?
[07:11] <the--dud> its stored somewhere else?
[07:11] <mannsmat> are you inside of this folder?
[07:11] <anir> where will i decompress?? mannsmat
[07:11] <mannsmat> you did it
[07:12] <anir> no i mean in which folder i will decompose?
[07:12] <anir> compress
[07:12] <mannsmat> anir: you said that you see a folder firefox-installer?
[07:13] <anir> yes mannsmat thats the folder i have downloaded
[07:14] <mannsmat> anir: that not a folder ... thats an tar.gz archive
[07:14] <anir> mannsmat: this is a compressed one so will i decompress it to /usr/lib/firefox???
[07:14] <anir> okay
[07:14] <mannsmat> open a terminal .. go to this file using the
[07:14] <mannsmat> cd
[07:14] <mannsmat> commend
[07:14] <{malek}> newbie question concerning ip_masq and ubuntu
[07:14] <mannsmat> command
[07:15] <{malek}> to I need to recompile my kern?
[07:15] <anir> mannsmaty: cd..then ?
[07:15] <{malek}> or is it already built in?
[07:15] <mannsmat> name of the folder, where your donwloaded file is located
[07:16] <anir> mannsmat: tell me first do i have to decompress it??
[07:16] <mannsmat> tar zxvf firefox.....tar.gz
[07:17] <cabbie> anyone: is it worth swtiching to ubuntu from Debian Woody?
[07:18] <flamesrock> if your system is set up perfectly, I see no reason why
[07:19] <anir> mannsmat: well the archive is..firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz now when i type the command " cd tar zxvf firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz" it says no such directory
[07:19] <cabbie> custom compiled kernel & USB devices working on the laptop; would hate to start from scratch but it sounds like a good system
[07:19] <{malek}> flamesrock: was that in response to my ip_masq question?
[07:20] <cenerentola> anyone has ever dealed with a dualboot winxp/ubuntu?
[07:20] <anir> dont ask anything about winxp here
[07:20] <anir> not even booting
[07:21] <anir> mannsmat: well whats your answer??
[07:21] <mannsmat> anir: answer about?
[07:21] <cenerentola> the problem is that after installing ubuntu, which worked very well as usual, when selecting win xp grub's entry it just printed to screen, grubs configuration : savedefault chainloader ... etc
[07:21] <cenerentola> without booting anything...
[07:22] <anir>  mannsmat: well the archive is..firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz now when i type the command " cd tar zxvf firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz" it says no such directory
[07:22] <{malek}> does anyone here have experience setting up ip_masq after a plain install?
[07:22] <cabbie> windows any flavor should be on a separate box if at all -- safety & sanity
[07:22] <mannsmat> anir: when you type 'ls' then you see  firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz?
[07:23] <cenerentola> cabbie: i know that...
[07:23] <cenerentola> can you help'
[07:23] <bobmepis> wait
[07:23] <anir> mannsmat: no
[07:23] <cabbie> I don't have experience with xp sorry
[07:24] <mannsmat> anir: ok??? where is  firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz located?
[07:25] <mannsmat> /home/anir/????
[07:25] <kent> If there is some one here who can edit the wiki, the page https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PackageManagement  has a bad link in the Upgrade Notifier section.
[07:26] <the--dud> this is the second pc im getting the weird python2.4 bug for apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:26] <cenerentola> kent: subscribe and edit it yourself...
[07:26] <the--dud> two completely different computers
[07:26] <cenerentola> kent: help the community growing up
[07:26] <bobmepis> title Windows  root (hd0,0)    chainloader +1  replace  it  in the menu list
[07:27] <kent> cenerentola, well, im to shy for that. i will probably make a mistake that i would be known for all across the world ;)
[07:27] <anir> mannsmat: i dont know..i mean i cant see  it anywhere
[07:27] <cenerentola> kent: "everybody hurts sometime..." Micheal Stipe
[07:27] <bobmepis> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:27] <cenerentola> bobmepis: so what's wrong
[07:28] <occy> What is an easy ppp tool that lets you configure your modem?  wvdial isn't working, and the gnome tool isn't giving me much love.
[07:28] <cenerentola> kent: don't you want me [such a walking disaster]  to do it, do you?
[07:28] <cabbie> anir: You said "cd tar zxvf firefox-1.0.installer"    Should be "tar -xvzf firefox*tar.gz" in the directory where compressed file is located
[07:28] <cenerentola> occy: pppconfig?
[07:29] <cenerentola> bobmepis: ping
[07:29] <mannsmat> anir: Ok I have to go now .. all infos are here in the chatlog. Make sure that you find your downloaded file, than run the command tar zxvf ....
[07:29] <occy> cenerentola: k
[07:29] <anir> ./firefox-installer/
[07:29] <the--dud> i dont want a swedish xchat >_<
[07:29] <cenerentola> mannsmat: i can help him..
[07:29] <the--dud> evil swedes
[07:30] <cenerentola> mannsmat: what is he trying to do?
[07:30] <the--dud> infiltrating my norwegian life
[07:30] <mannsmat> anir: right ... then the installation runs like a windows installation
[07:30] <anir> k thank man
[07:30] <mannsmat> do not forget to run the .7firefox-installer as a root
[07:30] <mannsmat> ok folks ... cu
[07:31] <bobmepis> cenerentola con me funziona
[07:32] <anir> cabbie can u help me?
[07:33] <cenerentola> anir: what for?
[07:33] <anir> to install firefox1.0
[07:33] <cenerentola> anir: ok what have you done till now?
[07:33] <xico> Hello
[07:33] <cabbie> anir: what is the full name of your compressed firefox file?
[07:34] <anir> cenerentola: i have downloaded the file from mozilla.com and its now here in my computer known as firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz.
[07:35] <fgubuntu> hello
[07:35] <xico> I'd need help with ssh between ppc terminal and an oldworld mac where I'm trying to install Ubuntu:  I'm booting Ubuntu for the first time and I'm stuck in Xserver with a black screen. I need to reconfigure xserver by a ssh connection. would you help me do that? My connection is OK (I transfered files from Ubuntu machine to distant one for the install). So far I did    sudo ssh 10.0.0.1    connection refused
[07:35] <anir> cabbie: its firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz
[07:35] <cenerentola> anir: ok... wait a sec
[07:36] <cabbie> navigate to the directory where that tar.gz file is located -- then "tar -xvzf firefox*.tar.gz"
[07:37] <anir> cabbie: navigate??
[07:37] <anir> what exactly i will have to do??
[07:37] <cabbie> make sure you are in the same folder so your tar command can find the file
[07:37] <anir> okay
[07:37] <anir> in the terminal..
[07:38] <help_please> hi
[07:38] <help_please> I wanted some help on Ubuntu
[07:38] <help_please> can any one help here please ?
[07:38] <HcE> help_please: look at the topic, there's plenty help there =)
[07:38] <dseomn> what do you want to know?
[07:38] <fgubuntu> i want to change fonts in ubuntu apps ( gnome ). xterm, firefox, thunderbird and others after installation, have really bad fonts. can someone tell me how to change that? do i need apt-get install "great fonts"? thx
[07:39] <cabbie> help_please must be more specific
[07:39] <anir> cabbie: so i should decompress the .tar.gz file to /home/anir/... right??
[07:39] <xico> Hello
[07:39] <help_please> ok
[07:40] <help_please> I've tried to search about my problem but I could'nt find any answer
[07:40] <help_please> let me explain it to you
[07:40] <help_please> i'm using Emacs for coding C++
[07:40] <anir> cenerentola: where have you gone??
[07:40] <cabbie> well, what is the location (full pathname) of your installer file now?
[07:40] <help_please> now after I compile my code there is an executable file made by the compiler
[07:40] <help_please> I want to execute the executable file from my terminal, but it does not executes it ?
[07:40] <cenerentola> anir: ..oki so do you know where you put that file?
[07:41] <anir> cenerentola: nope
[07:41] <help_please> i'm in the exact directories of the executable file, so there is no problem of that sort
[07:41] <cenerentola> good..
[07:41] <cenerentola> ok how did you download it?
[07:41] <anir> it should be in the main directory as it shows only / but when i open the directory and see i cant fiond it
[07:41] <help_please> so any one knows what's the problem, why does not it executes it ?
[07:42] <anir> well i clicked on the download button on the site  www.mozilla.com and it started downloading automatically cenerentola
[07:42] <cenerentola> help_please:  ./executable
[07:42] <cabbie> anir you need to find the file -- one way: "updatedb" (as root) followed by "locate firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz"
[07:42] <help_please> it gives me the message bash: nameofmyexecutablefile: command not found
[07:43] <help_please> yup, it worked cenerentola
[07:43] <help_please> thanks alot
[07:43] <help_please> ok there is another thing too
[07:43] <xico> I'd need help with ssh between ppc terminal and an oldworld mac where I'm trying to install Ubuntu:  I'm booting Ubuntu for the first time and I'm stuck in Xserver with a black screen. I need to reconfigure xserver by a ssh connection. would you help me do that? My connection is OK (I transfered files from Ubuntu machine to distant one for the install). So far I did    sudo ssh 10.0.0.1    connection refused
[07:43] <help_please> I was making a header file in emacs, now I want to compile it
[07:43] <cenerentola> anir did you do that?
[07:44] <help_please> but it does not compiles it
[07:44] <anir> hey i got it its in my desktop..cenerentola..cabbie
[07:44] <cenerentola> cabbie: are you going to help him?
[07:45] <help_please> and give me the message "g++: compilation of header requested"
[07:45] <cabbie> am trying
[07:45] <dseomn> help_please: you can't compile headers
[07:45] <cenerentola> cabbie: ok go on.. ill do other things..
[07:45] <anir> helping me getting a headache..lol
[07:46] <anir> hey guys its installed on my desktop
[07:46] <help_please> I was working at my University Lab and it compiled the header there so I thought it does compiles header
[07:46] <help_please> but perhaps you're more right it does not
[07:47] <help_please> because VC++ also does not compiles headers
[07:47] <anir> now  what next cabbie???
[07:48] <cabbie> anir: I'm more used to doing things with command-line...
[07:48] <Pozac> xico, have you tried switching to another vty on the mac?
[07:48] <xico> What is vty?
[07:48] <anir> cabbie: cool give the command i will execute them
[07:48] <Pozac> xico, text-mode terminals
[07:48] <help_please> ok second thing, I want to change the setting in the .bash_profile
[07:48] <cabbie> you could try drag-and-drop from the desktop into your /home/username folder
[07:48] <Pozac> xico, like ctrl-alt-f1
[07:48] <help_please> but I need to log in as root user to change that file
[07:48] <help_please> how do I do that
[07:49] <Pozac> (does a mac have ctrl-alt-f1 keys?)
[07:49] <xico> yes I tried all combinaisons possible
[07:49] <Pozac> ok
[07:49] <cabbie> thing is you still need an exact location for that file -- maybe /home/username/desktop??
[07:49] <Pozac> can you boot the recovery mode if you hit ESC at boot?
[07:49] <anir> cabbie: well now i am at root@anir:/home/anir .. tell me how i will  go to desktop..its inside anir
[07:49] <xico> I try
[07:49] <Pozac> that will boot without X
[07:50] <cabbie> is there a "desktop" folder in /home/anir?
[07:50] <the--dud> argh, my gnome-panel isnt acting nicely
[07:50] <the--dud> it crashes as soon as it starts up again
[07:50] <anir> cabbie: yes inside anir folder
[07:50] <Pozac> the--dud, any special applets on it?
[07:50] <the--dud> and it keeps coming up, even when i kill all its processes
[07:50] <the--dud> Pozac, whining about the trash applet crashing
[07:51] <cabbie> do "cd desktop" then do "pwd"
[07:51] <Pozac> the--dud, gnome-session respawns it
[07:51] <the--dud> ok
[07:51] <Pozac> maybe it's something in the trash that makes it crash?
[07:52] <Pozac> is the trash empty?
[07:52] <anir> root@anir:/home/anir # cd desktop pwd
[07:52] <anir> bash: cd: desktop: No such file or directory
[07:52] <Pozac> hehe.. if you know
[07:52] <help_please> can anyone tell me how to log in as root user and then back to normal user ?
[07:52] <anir> cabbie: root@anir:/home/anir # cd desktop pwd
[07:52] <anir> bash: cd: desktop: No such file or directory
[07:52] <the--dud> Pozac, yeah, its empty...
[07:52] <Pozac> help_please, use 'sudo -s' to switch to root user, CTRL-D to go back
[07:53] <the--dud> oh, it crashed just after i loaded the mail notifier applet
[07:53] <the--dud> and the weather applet
[07:53] <help_please> I want to edit some files after logging in as root user can I do that on the graphical interface ?
[07:53] <the--dud> i guess i could restart x, but im doing a dist-upgrade which has to finish first
[07:53] <Pozac> the--dud, strange.. sudo apt-get remove trashapplet perhaps?
[07:53] <dseomn> help_please: don't log in as root
[07:53] <Pozac> oh
[07:53] <Pozac> then no apt-get'-ing
[07:53] <the--dud> nopes
[07:54] <dseomn> help_please: use sudo
[07:54] <Pozac> the--dud, perhaps the trashapplet is about to updated?
[07:54] <the--dud> ill just wait it out
[07:54] <Pozac> atleast wait it out
[07:54] <Pozac> :)
[07:54] <cabbie> anir: open a graphical filemanager  so it shows your home directory (/home/anir), then drag the tar.gz file off the desktop into that directory (mabye?)
[07:54] <help_please> I want to change some settings in .bash_profile, how do I do that, I can only edit this file if i'm logged in as root ?
[07:54] <the--dud> that file should belong to the user which owns the home folder
[07:54] <dseomn> help_please: you can edit your own .bash_profile as your user, and if you want to edit root's, use sudo
[07:55] <anir> okay
[07:56] <help_please> sorry
[07:56] <anir> cabbie: i did it but still says no such directory????
[07:56] <help_please> I Have a multiple boot system and I want to edit the menu.lst file ?
[07:56] <help_please> which is in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:56] <dseomn> help_please: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:57] <help_please> ok let me try
[07:57] <anir> is ba+bon_bon here??
[07:57] <anir> ba_bon_bon
[07:57] <dseomn> help_please: you can also install grubconf and use that
[07:57] <help_please> from where to install grubconf ?
[07:58] <anir> so cabbie: what should i do??
[07:58] <cabbie> wow. so drag it into the trash and try to move it from there, or as last resort re-download the file and set the destination on your download manager
[07:58] <dseomn> help_please: it's in universe
[07:59] <anir> cabbie;????
[07:59] <help_please> what's a Universe ?
[07:59] <cabbie> anir when you do "ls firefox*" is there a listing for the file?
[08:00] <dseomn> help_please: open synaptic, edit the sources, and select the universe source
[08:00] <anir> cabbie: yes it says firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz
[08:01] <xico> Pozac: that didn't work
[08:01] <cabbie> so maybe we already know where your file is
[08:01] <Pozac> help_please, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[08:01] <anir> yes its now in /home/anir/firefox...tar.gz
[08:01] <Pozac> xico, no? what happened?
[08:02] <xico> black screen
[08:02] <help_please> there is no Sources in menu edit
[08:02] <Pozac> anir, are you trying to install the latest mozilla firefox?
[08:02] <anir> pozac yes
[08:02] <cabbie> so Pozac is right. Now just use the command "tar -xvzf firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz"
[08:02] <Pozac> anir, there is a repository you can add to synaptic where it's in
[08:03] <the--dud> hmm, bug buddy says that the cpufreq monitor applet has crashed
[08:03] <xico> the last messge was starting gnome environment, then a brief login invite that I couldn't grab
[08:03] <the--dud> thats no wonder, as this is a celeron
[08:03] <dseomn> help_please: I don't know what menu it's in or what it's called, but it looks something like sources
[08:03] <Pozac> xico, are you sure you selected the recovery option after hitting ESC where it counts down at boot?
[08:04] <anir> okay i am giving the output
[08:04] <anir> root@anir:/home/anir # tar -xvzf firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz
[08:04] <anir> firefox-installer/
[08:04] <anir> firefox-installer/xpi/
[08:04] <anir> firefox-installer/xpi/adt.xpi
[08:04] <anir> firefox-installer/xpi/browser.xpi
[08:04] <anir> firefox-installer/xpi/en-US.xpi
[08:04] <anir> firefox-installer/xpi/help.xpi
[08:04] <anir> firefox-installer/xpi/talkback.xpi
[08:04] <anir> firefox-installer/xpi/xpcom.xpi
[08:04] <anir> firefox-installer/config.ini
[08:04] <anir> firefox-installer/header.png
[08:04] <anir> firefox-installer/install.ini
[08:04] <anir> firefox-installer/license.txt
[08:04] <anir> firefox-installer/watermark.png
[08:04] <anir> firefox-installer/firefox-installer
[08:04] <anir> firefox-installer/firefox-installer-bin
[08:04] <anir> root@anir:/home/anir #
[08:04] <stuNNed> anir, what are you trying to do?
[08:04] <xico> Pozac:I couldn't select anything
[08:04] <dseomn> help_please: you should probably do /nick <some-nick> so that people will pay attention to you, help_please won't help you
[08:04] <dseomn> anir: use #flood
[08:04] <Pozac> anir, see the 'Backports' section on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[08:05] <anir> guys sorry
[08:05] <cabbie> anir: success! Now just run the executable installer with X running (maybe have to be root)
[08:05] <stuNNed> anir, like Pozac said you probably want to use Backports and not manually install.
[08:05] <stuNNed> cabbie, no. use backports.
[08:05] <cabbie> backports?
[08:05] <Pozac> xico, were there no options? not even one?
[08:05] <anir> cabbie: how??
[08:06] <stuNNed> anir, see above url
[08:06] <cabbie> the others seem to have an objection
[08:06] <the--dud> brb
[08:06] <Pozac> If you do it the way I pointed to, your computer will upgrade perfectly when hoary comes in April
[08:07] <Pozac> also, you get access to alot of other, newer software from the same place
[08:07] <help_please> hey I want to upload files on some ftp location through firefox, can I do it ?
[08:07] <xico> Pozac:  none, the screen doesn't stop until it goes black: I'm in corrupted Xserver and no way to escape.
[08:07] <anir> stunned: how to run a backpost??
[08:07] <cabbie> if Pozac's method sets up for future upgrade, then better take his advice.
[08:07] <dseomn> help_please: try gftp
[08:07] <Pozac> help_please, you can use the file manager
[08:07] <Pozac> cabbie, it's a deb. :)
[08:08] <dseomn> help_please: the file manager idea is better than gftp, I always forget that file managers exist ;>
[08:08] <anir> cabbie: plz tell me how will i run X installer
[08:08] <help_please> ok let me see
[08:08] <cabbie> you mean he didn't need the download gz file at all?
[08:08] <Pozac> xico, ok.. the very first thing it does at boot is countdown from 3 (on my x86 atleast) wherein if I hit ESC, I can choose other options.
[08:08] <Pozac> xico, Can't help you with the PPC terminal, sorry.
[08:09] <stuNNed> anir, see  https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu the backports section
[08:09] <Pozac> cabbie, correct
[08:09] <xico> I'm on a PPC
[08:09] <Pozac> Does PPC ubuntu not use grub in the same configuration?
[08:09] <help_please> where is this file manager located ?
[08:10] <cabbie> then there should be an available .deb file to install with dpkg?
[08:10] <dseomn> help_please: are you using hoary or warty?
[08:10] <help_please> warty
[08:10] <xico> It uses another bootloader: BootX for oldworld
[08:10] <anir> stunned: i will have to add new respository??
[08:10] <Pozac> ohh
[08:10] <Pozac> sorry for leading you on the wrong trail there then :(
[08:10] <anir> cabbie: tell me i am waiting
[08:10] <xico> never mind
[08:10] <dseomn> help_please: check the computer menu
[08:11] <Pozac> xico, ubuntu doesnt install a sshd by default.. I wonder how to get it
[08:11] <dud_> ok, a restart fixed things up...
[08:11] <Pozac> any way you can get to add 'single' to the kernel line?
[08:11] <help_please> no there is'nt anything there
[08:11] <dseomn> Pozac: to install the ssh server, just install ssh with apt-get or synaptic
[08:11] <cabbie> anir: you should be able to use the installer from your download, but I'm not sure what Pozac's warning is about.
[08:12] <dud_> i just dont get this hoary thing... how it screws up the lower panel
[08:12] <dud_> M... X... etc
[08:12] <xico> It does I think
[08:12] <dseomn> help_please: look for something like 'Home' or 'Computer' or 'Disks'
[08:12] <Pozac> Using the installer will mix APT files with Mozilla files.
[08:12] <dud_> instead of showing Mozilla Firefox and X-Chat tabulators
[08:12] <dud_> very weird stuff
[08:12] <help_please> ya there is Home and Disks there
[08:12] <Pozac> When firefox will need to updated, APT will complain that it didnt install those files and fail
[08:13] <xico> I was able to copy kernel and initrd from the ubuntu machine to a distant mac with scp
[08:13] <dseomn> help_please: open home
[08:13] <anir> so pozac whai i ll do?
[08:13] <help_please> done
[08:13] <dseomn> help_please: I don't know how to upload to ftp server, but it's possible
[08:13] <Pozac> anir, see the 'Backports' section on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[08:13] <cabbie> anir: you are already in X I assume?
[08:13] <xico> Pozac: now I want to connect the other way
[08:14] <help_please> ok
[08:14] <xico> I'm trying the "single" line
[08:14] <help_please> another ting
[08:14] <anir> okay pozac so i ll add respository??
[08:14] <help_please> I have windows xp and Ubuntu
[08:14] <help_please> i have 4 partitions of my HDD
[08:14] <Pozac> anir, yes. Then you will need to choose the version from synaptic.
[08:14] <Blackwell> when being asked for the kernel header location, what do i enter? what packages do i need to have installed to have them? aren't linux-headers-2.6.8.1-4 and linux-headers-2.6.8.1-4-386 the right thing?
[08:15] <help_please> i can't access my windows drive from Ubuntu and vice versa
[08:15] <cabbie> you can "cd firefox-installer" then "./firefox-installer" -- it might say you need to be root, or it will launch an installer
[08:15] <anir> man i have already downloaded it
[08:15] <help_please> how can I do use my other drives ?
[08:15] <dseomn> help_please: you won't be able to access the ubuntu partition(s) on windows
[08:16] <help_please> ok, what about the other
[08:16] <dseomn> help_please: open up Disks in the Computer menu
[08:16] <help_please> done
[08:16] <dseomn> help_please: what's there?
[08:16] <Pozac> You can access the partition from Total Commander[tm]  on Windows[r] 
[08:16] <help_please> filesystem ?
[08:16] <help_please> floppy,cdrom,filesystem,network
[08:16] <dseomn> help_please: anything else?
[08:17] <help_please> what is total commander ?
[08:17] <help_please> nop
[08:17] <TopDog> help_please, http://www.ghisler.com/
[08:17] <Pozac> help_please, it's a program. It costs money, but a trial is free.
[08:18] <help_please> ok
[08:18] <anir> its done cabbie..thankx
[08:18] <TopDog> Pozac, I had a free ext2/3 browser once... can't remember the name.
[08:18] <help_please> dseomn, what next then ?
[08:18] <cabbie> anir: Pozac's "synaptic" is a graphical version of dselect -- it's a very good graphical package manager. You could try his method if any problems down the road...
[08:18] <anir> sure cabbie
[08:19] <cabbie> hope firefox is good!
[08:19] <anir> its good
[08:19] <help_please> so I also can't access my windows partitions from Ubuntu ?
[08:20] <anir> i was using the prev version..what do u use cabbie??
[08:20] <TopDog> help_please, yes you can, but you must mount them...
[08:20] <help_please> so how can I mount them ?
[08:20] <TopDog> Are they FAT or NTFS?
[08:20] <dseomn> help_please: I don't know
[08:20] <help_please> and mounting them will not cause any trouble to my windows I suppose ? or any chance of loss of data, I suppose its a safe procedure
[08:20] <help_please> FAT
[08:21] <cabbie> i'm running mozilla 1.7.3
[08:21] <anir> heck.. i have installed firefox1.0..
[08:21] <cabbie> not using ubuntu (yet) -- debian 3.0
[08:21] <Pozac> help_please, NTFS only has read support. Otherwise there is no hassle.
[08:22] <TopDog> help_please, mount -t vfat /dev/YourDrive /mnt/NewDirectory
[08:22] <help_please> I have FAT not NTFS
[08:22] <anir> okay cabbie u should try ubuntu..its worth
[08:22] <Pozac> help_please, then there should be no worries :)
[08:22] <crimsun> TopDog: you might want to mention the umask parameter, too.
[08:23] <TopDog> crimsun, you go ahead... I don't remember.
[08:23] <cenerentola> ciao crimsun...
[08:23] <crimsun> re cenerentola
[08:23] <cabbie> I have the ubuntu CDs and tried the "live-CD" for a trial run -- looks good alright, but "it it ain't broke..."
[08:23] <help_please> what's with umask ?
[08:23] <dseomn> help_please: it contols default permissions of files
[08:23] <crimsun> help_please: add " -o umask=000"
[08:24] <Pozac> cabbie, it is broken. If you don't have access to the ubuntu-calendar package, your os is broken.
[08:24] <anir> cabbie:why is that??
[08:24] <help_please> what will be the benefit of adding this umask ?
[08:24] <crimsun> help_please: you will be able to read the files as your normal user.
[08:24] <Pozac> help_please, you user will be able to write to the partition :)
[08:25] <Pozac> oh and read
[08:25] <help_please> ok
[08:25] <cabbie> Pozac, what is ubuntu-calendar package?
[08:25] <xico> Pozac: It didn't work with the "single" line either.  You know "Terminal" is just a normal Unix console for Mac.  Do you know the ssh commands?
[08:25] <anir> help_please go aheah i have done it a week back
[08:25] <Blackwell> cabbie: are wild guesses welcome? :)
[08:25] <Pozac> cabbie, A monthly background semi-nude picture.
[08:25] <cabbie> sure
[08:26] <anir> yes
[08:26] <Pozac> cabbie, read naked, but not full frontal :)
[08:26] <Blackwell> nekkid pics?
[08:26] <Blackwell> yay for open source ;)
[08:26] <Pozac> xico, ssh <ip> ?
[08:26] <cabbie> did the thread unravel?
[08:27] <anir> blackwell: explain
[08:27] <dud> i wonder, is there a bugzilla entry for this gnome-panel screw up?
[08:27] <dud> has anyone entered it?
[08:27] <Blackwell> anir, nevermind, just goofing around.
[08:27] <cenerentola> i can't remember how to remove the "mouse's" x that sometimes happen to appear after not so succesful x configurations?
[08:27] <anir> dud i have entered bout totem-xine
[08:27] <cabbie> I need a new OS just for naked pics?
[08:28] <Pozac> They're that good.
[08:28] <anir> ??? cabbie??
[08:28] <ogra> cenerentola: hi, you wnt the HWCursor option ?
[08:28] <ogra> want
[08:28] <cenerentola> right
[08:28] <intinig> what os and what naked pics are we talking about? And how do I install it :)
[08:28] <Pozac> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-calendar
[08:28] <cabbie> I'll just take your word for it
[08:28] <cenerentola> ogra: have i ever told you i love you?... yehhh i didnt remember it..
[08:28] <anir> intinig:lol
[08:28] <cenerentola> j ogra..
[08:29] <ogra> cenerentola: several times ;)
[08:29] <help_please> crimsun: it says mount point 000 does not exists ?
[08:29] <dseomn> help_please: what's the exact command you used>
[08:29] <dseomn> *?
[08:29] <dud> erm, ubuntu doesnt have gcc installed?
[08:29] <Pozac> help_please, mount -t vfat -o umask=000 /dev/hdXX /mnt/point
[08:29] <anir> common a love affair in progress...guys join #love
[08:29] <crimsun> dud: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:29] <dud> ah heh
[08:29] <help_please> i typed this mount -t vfat/dev/hda5/mnt/E -o umask = 000
[08:29] <Blackwell> dud: ...just bumped into the same
[08:30] <dseomn> help_please: no spaced betwenn umask, =, and 000
[08:30] <TopDog> help_please, have you created the /mnt/E directory?
[08:30] <Pozac> help_please, space between hda5 and /mnt
[08:30] <xico> Pozac: 82-66-182-171  I'm behind a router:  the ubuntu machine is 10.0.0.1
[08:31] <intinig> I have to say the ubuntu calendar is classy
[08:31] <Pozac> xico, ssh 10.0.0.1 from the LAN, otherwise you need to forward port 22 from the router to 10.0.0.1
[08:31] <help_please> yes just /mnt directory has been created
[08:31] <help_please> let me try it again
[08:31] <xico> I will
[08:31] <Pozac> intinig, it made me make my xchat background transparent
[08:31] <TopDog> help_please, creade the /mnt/E directory first.
[08:31] <intinig> Pozac, it's not THAT classy :)
[08:32] <anir> pozac: tell me how will i open my directory to see my partitions??
[08:32] <Pozac> intinig, but but, the tattoo?
[08:32] <Pozac> anir, I usually use 'parted' to see my partitions
[08:33] <dud> qtparted is nice if you want something graphical though
[08:33] <kent> Is there some document on ubuntulinux.org about what things are ok to do with the wiki? Perhaps I should correct the error i found before? I created an acount, and have temporarly (just in preview-mode right now) written a comment about it. But im unsure if I can do that without upsetting some one :(
[08:33] <anir> pozca: parted..thats it?
[08:33] <Scorp> someone told me how to make it so that my laptop brings up eth0 on boot last night but it doesn't seem to work, maybe I did something wrong, the network works once I type dhclient eth0
[08:33] <dud> kent, use common sense normal etiquette
[08:34] <Pozac> anir, 'parted', type p<enter>
[08:34] <Pozac> then you get the list
[08:34] <ogra> kent: there are, in the documentation area...
[08:34] <Pozac> the minor number is the hdaX number
[08:34] <kent> dud, ok. But for example, the document mentions a repository that does not work, if I write a comment under that line that mentions that it does not work, that would be ok?
[08:34] <Pozac> q<enter> when you know which one it is
[08:34] <help_please> only mnt directory is getting created
[08:35] <ogra> kent: yep
[08:35] <help_please> there is nothing in the mnt directory
[08:35] <help_please> its empty
[08:35] <TopDog> help_please, mkdir E
[08:35] <cabbie> anir: normally can't s
[08:35] <Pozac> Scorp, 'ifplugd' will bring up eth0 on cable insertion :)
[08:35] <cabbie> sorry -- broken message
[08:35] <Pozac> and down when the cable gets pulled out
[08:35] <Scorp> Pozac does that mean when it boots up if the cable is inserted it'll bring it up?
[08:36] <Pozac> sudo mkdir E
[08:36] <Pozac> Scorp, I believe it will
[08:36] <Scorp> Pozac that sounds good ty
[08:37] <ogra> kent: there are certain sites where you should contact the documentation team (as the wiki writing howto mentions) but a correction of an error is always ok :)
[08:37] <cabbie> anir: can use fdisk /dev/hda followed by "p" for print, but DON'T MESS WITH YOUR PARTITION TABLE
[08:37] <help_please> ok
[08:37] <Brikkah> maybe today someone can help me with: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9023
[08:37] <anir> okay
[08:37] <Scorp> why is when I search for a package with synaptic it says 1 packages listed but it doesn't show anything in the main window?
[08:37] <anir> well i have done the partition..
[08:37] <Pozac> cabbie, parted is much friendlier
[08:38] <anir> anyways as long as i am happy with something i am not gonna mess with it..lol
[08:38] <Pozac> Scorp, that sounds odd .. what are you searching for?
[08:38] <Scorp> ifplugd
[08:38] <cabbie> anir: try Pozac's parted thing then
[08:38] <Pozac> hmm
[08:38] <Pozac> or cfdisk
[08:38] <anir> its cool to learn new tech man
[08:38] <Pozac> Scorp, it might be in the unsupported Universe repository
[08:38] <Pozac> do you have that enabled?
[08:38] <kent> ogra, i decided to read what the documentation-area has to say about wiki* first. I will write and save the comment later.
[08:38] <help_please> yes It worked
[08:39] <Scorp> Pozac I believe so
[08:39] <anir> hey gotta go now
[08:39] <anir> see u tomorrow
[08:39] <kent> ogra, i guess some one who knows better than me than can correct the error with better information.
[08:39] <anir> take care all..
[08:39] <TopDog> help_please, good :-)
[08:39] <Scorp> yeah Pozac I do have it
[08:39] <anir> and prepare well for the new year..
[08:39] <anir> we should have a blast here
[08:39] <cabbie> Pozac: is parted safe for resizing partitions?
[08:40] <ogra> kent: just go on, everybody is welcome to help on the wiki ;)
[08:40] <Pozac> cabbie, more or less, not sure though
[08:40] <Pozac> anir, happy new year :)
[08:40] <cabbie> hmn..
[08:40] <cabbie> happy new year anir
[08:40] <anir> pozac: not now...lol..wait till 31st
[08:40] <anir> okay
[08:40] <Prasatko> please, will some of you help me? i have a notebook without cdrom, network card and floppy. i have installed ubuntu on another computer and then i placed the HDD back to my notebook. but it does not work. it displays this http://kmlinux.fjfi.cvut.cz/~pausp1/1/IMGP3162.jpg
[08:40] <Pozac> Scorp, strange.. maybe it's a bug in synaptic
[08:41] <Scorp> it's like I click search type xterm the window disappears I see xterm under the search history, on the bottom it says 4 packages listed 814 installedd ... .etc... but nothing appears in the main window and on the bottom it says "No Package Selected" (bottom half of main window
[08:41] <anir> thank you pozac cabbie
[08:41] <Pozac> Scorp, doesn't happen here.. well, use sudo apt-get install ifplugd then
[08:41] <Pozac> np anir
[08:41] <anir> for helping me
[08:41] <Scorp> ok will do
[08:41] <anir> take care bye
[08:41] <cabbie> bye
[08:42] <Pozac> Prasatko, nice try :)
[08:42] <dud> Prasatko, it seems to try and load a ramdisk
[08:42] <Scorp> is ifplugd going to start up with the machine now?
[08:42] <Pozac> libc.so.6 missing is NOT good
[08:42] <dud> installing on one pc, and just moving the harddrive has minimal chances of working
[08:42] <Pozac> Scorp, aye
[08:43] <Scorp> ok thanks Pozac
[08:43] <kent> ogra, so.. now i have, at least i think so, contributed to ubuntu :)   I made the comment now.
[08:43] <Pozac> np, Scorp
[08:43] <Scorp> How long would it take to get gcc on this machine ?
[08:43] <ogra> kent: great !!!
[08:43] <ogra> kent: :))
[08:43] <Scorp> (also where do I learn a bit more about apt-get ? debian virgin here...)
[08:43] <Prasatko> dud: i know, but i don't know how to install it the other way
[08:43] <Pozac> Prasatko, there is a mini.iso for network install somewhere if thats a possibility
[08:44] <Pozac> Scorp, man apt
[08:44] <Pozac> Scorp, or man apt-get
[08:44] <Prasatko> pozac: ok, i will borrow network card and i'll try it
[08:44] <Scorp> cool thank you
[08:44] <help_please> hey
[08:45] <help_please> i have mounted my 1 partiton on mnt/E
[08:45] <help_please> I want to rename this E folder to say D
[08:45] <help_please> how can I do that ?
[08:45] <Pozac> Prasatko, hmm hold on
[08:45] <Scorp> what would I type to get gcc and how long would it take?
[08:45] <Pozac> Prasatko, it should be possible to copy the installation files to the harddrive on the other computer, swap the drive and install from harddrive
[08:46] <dud> help_please, just open up your filebrowser and right click the folder
[08:46] <dud> and choose rename
[08:46] <help_please> Ya i tried that
[08:46] <help_please> but the rename option is disable
[08:46] <Pozac> hehe
[08:46] <Pozac> you need to be root
[08:46] <Scorp> wait is gcc-3.3 normal/stable/etc?
[08:47] <Scorp> and uptodate?
[08:47] <help_please> now how should i be a root ?
[08:47] <Pozac> from terminal, sudo mv /mnt/E /mnt/D
[08:47] <Pozac> or cd /mnt; sudo mv E D
[08:47] <Pozac> Scorp, apt-get install build-essentail
[08:48] <Pozac> build-essential
[08:48] <help_please> its says device or souce busy ?
[08:48] <Pozac> help_please, you must unmount it first
[08:48] <help_please> how to unmount it ?
[08:48] <Pozac> umount /mnt/E
[08:48] <zenrox> sudo umount /mnt/E
[08:49] <Pozac> sorry :/
[08:49] <zenrox> lol
[08:49] <Pozac> ;)
[08:49] <Prasatko> pozac: ok, i'll try it.
[08:49] <zenrox> its pretty much mount and umount sudo is first
[08:49] <Pozac> Prasatko, it's not an easy task, good luck
[08:49] <Blackwell> in case x11 doesn't like to come up anymore, what should one do? is there a specific log file for xfree86?
[08:50] <Pozac> yeah, /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[08:50] <help_please> it again says device is busy
[08:50] <Blackwell> Pozac: ah, thank you.
[08:51] <Pozac> help_please, ok, something uses it. try 'lsof /mnt/E'
[08:51] <Pozac> help_please, close all windows of E first if you haven't
[08:51] <Pozac> Blackwell, gdm usually shows the error msg when it fails though
[08:52] <ogra> help_please: you shouldnt be in /mnt/E while unmounting it, also make sure no filebrowser showing it is open
[08:52] <cabbie> very educational. thanks all, goodbye
[08:52] <help_please> no its all closed
[08:52] <help_please> no still it says device is busy
[08:53] <Pozac> help_please, how about that 'lsof /mnt/E'? :)
[08:53] <ogra> help_please: did you try Pozac s suggestion ?
[08:53] <help_please> ya even after writing lsof/mnt/E
[08:53] <ogra> heh
[08:53] <ogra> help_please: you missed a space
[08:53] <help_please> space in what ?
[08:54] <Pozac> lsof<space>/mnt/E
[08:54] <help_please> no I did
[08:54] <Pozac> what did it say?
[08:54] <Pozac> fam?
[08:54] <help_please> it gives me some short table after putting this lsof command
[08:54] <help_please> ya fam
[08:54] <help_please> famd
[08:54] <help_please> not fam famd
[08:54] <Pozac> sudo /etc/init.d/famd restart
[08:54] <Prasatko> pozac: that's not good. I'm quite new to linux. i will create a partition and copy install cd on it. but how do I run the install process?
[08:55] <Pozac> then you can umount :)
[08:55] <Pozac> Prasatko, that's a good question
[08:55] <ogra> help_please: sudo /etc/init.d/fam stop && umount /mnt/E && sudo /etc/init.d/fam start
[08:55] <help_please> it says command not found
[08:55] <bobmepis> lsof +D /mnt/..
[08:55] <ogra> argh...missing a sudo
[08:55] <ogra> help_please: sudo /etc/init.d/fam stop && sudo umount /mnt/E && sudo /etc/init.d/fam start
[08:55] <ogra> now its right
[08:55] <dseomn> Prasatko: you have to burn the cd image onto a cd and boot that cd
[08:56] <Pozac> dseomn, no cd drive :)
[08:56] <dseomn> Prasatko: is netboot available?
[08:56] <Prasatko> dseomn: sorry, no fdd, cdrom, network card
[08:56] <Pozac> but a HD with grub
[08:57] <Pozac> which can go in another machine with a CD drive
[08:57] <Pozac> so he can get iso or whatnot on the drive
[08:57] <help_please> ya I worked
[08:57] <help_please> lets see if I can rename it
[08:57] <Scorp> how do i enter un & pw for windows network in gnome network?
[08:57] <dseomn> Prasatko: can you do a dd if=cd-image of=/dev/hda (or similar)?
[08:57] <Pozac> he can :)
[08:58] <dseomn> Prasatko: I think the el torito image has the same layout as the mbr
[08:58] <dseomn> (minus the partition part)
[08:58] <Scorp> nm I got it
[08:59] <Pozac> dseomn, do you know the specifics of how to do this?
[09:00] <dseomn> Pozac: what do mean? installing from the iso on the mbr?
[09:00] <Fraxy> hi all
[09:00] <help_please> ya thanks Pozac, everythings working fine now
[09:00] <help_please> i have my 2 drives mounted on my Ubuntu
[09:00] <help_please> now everytime i'll start Ubuntu these will be available right ?
[09:00] <dseomn> Pozac: you just have to use debs from the network
[09:00] <Fraxy> i've created 2 intresting script
[09:00] <Pozac> dseomn, No network
[09:01] <Fraxy> for install flash plugins for 5 plattform
[09:01] <dseomn> Pozac: I know, but parralel or serial cable should work
[09:01] <Fraxy> and for install gftp for i386
[09:01] <Pozac> dseomn, cant he (from grub) setup to mount the iso and use that to install from ?
[09:01] <Pozac> help_please, no, you have to edit the /etc/fstab file
[09:02] <Fraxy> can I help ubuntu?
[09:02] <help_please> ok please tell me that too
[09:02] <Pozac> dseomn, hehe.. sloooooow
[09:02] <help_please> cause I need these 2 partitions whenever I start Ubuntu
[09:02] <Kamion> why does installing gftp need a script? shouldn't it be a package?
[09:02] <dseomn> Pozac:  maybe root (hdx,x,)/path/to/image.iso \n chainloader +1
[09:02] <Kamion> the current package in hoary is CVS from 1 December 2004, doesn't seem that out of date
[09:02] <dseomn> Pozac: I know I'm a slow typer
[09:02] <Fraxy> you must install 4 packages fo gftp
[09:03] <Scorp> what's gst-register music player won't start complains about not being able to initialise register ?
[09:03] <Fraxy> isn't very pratice
[09:03] <Fraxy> but the script fol flash is good
[09:03] <Kamion> eh?
[09:03] <ogra> Fraxy: sudo apt-get install gftp ?
[09:03] <Pozac> help_please, sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[09:03] <Pozac> help_please, then add: /dev/hdaX	/mnt/point	vfat	defaults,umask=000	0 0
[09:03] <Kamion> install gftp-gtk, that's it, surely?
[09:03] <ogra> Fraxy: sudo apt-get install mozilla-flashplayer ?
[09:03] <Fraxy> apt-get doesn't funct
[09:03] <Kamion> then fix it, working around apt-get is silly
[09:03] <help_please> by point you mean my directory name ?
[09:04] <Pozac> help_please, for both partitions. Leave an empty line at the bottom.
[09:04] <Fraxy> Kamion: there are 4 packages
[09:04] <Scorp> anybody?
[09:04] <Scorp> anybody?
[09:04] <Scorp> what's gst-register music player won't start complains about not being able to initialise register ?
[09:04] <Pozac> dseomn, I mean the serial is slow
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> hi all.
[09:04] <Fraxy> hi
[09:04] <Pozac> Scorp?
[09:04] <ogra> Fraxy: they have dependencys
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> i am having a _major_ problem...
[09:04] <Fraxy> ogra: yes
[09:04] <Kamion> Fraxy: gftp depends on all the others. This is a modern Unix system; you don't need to deal with installing all four separately, unless you deliberately use strange ways of installing them.
[09:04] <dseomn> Pozac: I agree with you there too, but if it works, ...
[09:05] <ogra> Fraxy: so one pulls in the others
[09:05] <Pozac> dseomn, good suggestion
[09:05] <help_please> by point you mean my Folder name ?
[09:05] <Kream> hi all. does ubuntu support TeX ?
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> can anyone see me in #flood, so that i can describe freely ?
[09:05] <Scorp> music player says that it couldn't initialise register and then asks me if I ran gst-register and doesn't start up? my fault?
[09:05] <dseomn> Kream: TeX runs in ubuntu
[09:05] <ogra> Fraxy: if you install the gftp package the others are installed automatically
[09:05] <ArCHoNKoG> where can i get hoary iso guys ?
[09:05] <Fraxy> but in ubuntu flash plug-in serve
[09:06] <Blackwell> can i rerun the (auto)configuration for gdm/xfree86 somehow?
[09:06] <Kamion> in general we want package improvements rather than scripts. :)
[09:06] <help_please> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[09:06] <help_please> #
[09:06] <help_please> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[09:06] <help_please> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[09:06] <help_please> /dev/hda7       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[09:06] <help_please> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[09:06] <Pozac> scopecrp, try running gst-register
[09:06] <help_please> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[09:06] <help_please> /dev/hda5	/mnt/D	vfat	defaults,umask=000	0 0
[09:06] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: can u please help me #flood ?
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[09:06] <help_please> /dev/hda6	/mnt/E	vfat	defaults,umask=000	0 0
[09:06] <Kamion> (you may be able to modify the latter into the former, though)
[09:06] <help_please> this is my fstab file now, is it fine ?
[09:06] <Pozac> Scorp
[09:06] <dseomn> help_please: use #flood
[09:06] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, aye
[09:06] <Kream> is there a way to view the ubuntu packages database ?
[09:07] <Scorp> Pozac?
[09:07] <help_please> use #flood for what ?
[09:07] <dseomn> Kream: are you using synaptic?
[09:07] <Blackwell> Kream: synaptic? dpkg?
[09:07] <dud> does anyone else get PGP errors upon apt-get update when having ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ http://apt.cerkinfo.be/ in their sources.list?
[09:07] <ogra> Fraxy: falsh is in multverse or universe already, called flashplayer-mozilla see here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:07] <dseomn> help_please: use #flood for any pasting or long messages
[09:07] <help_please> ok but that's the only 1 :)
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: please see flood
[09:07] <help_please> i'm first time here so did not knew the rules, i aplogize
[09:07] <dud> "W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907"
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> ogra: please try helping me, if u can
[09:08] <TenPlus1> hi folks...
[09:08] <Fraxy> why there aren't flash plug-in in ubuntu?
[09:08] <Kream> dseomn: i'm not an ubuntu user but I might become one soon, Blackwell
[09:08] <help_please> Pozac just see the message I pasted above so I save the file
[09:08] <Fraxy> there is userful
[09:08] <zenwhen> Fraxy, all you have to do is go to Macromedia's sitre and get the flash installer.
[09:08] <ogra> Fraxy: did you read the page i just posted for you ?
[09:08] <TenPlus1> Q.) I know Samba lets you share files/folders in Ununtu with a Windows computer, but what do I use to share an Internet Connection ???
[09:08] <dseomn> Kream: yes it's possible to get the list, just go to archive.ubuntu.org and look for files called 'Packages'
[09:08] <Fraxy> yes
[09:09] <Blackwell> Kream: just starting out there either. try synaptic in the "System Configuration" menu
[09:09] <ogra> zenwhen: its in multi/universe
[09:09] <ogra> Fraxy: it explains it
[09:09] <dseomn> Blackwell: Kream said s/he isn't using ubuntu yet
[09:09] <Blackwell> dseomn: oh, i see.
[09:09] <Kream> cool. thanks dseomn and Blackwell :)
[09:09] <help_please> I think pozacs gone ?
[09:09] <Pozac> i'm here
[09:09] <Pozac> busy bee
[09:10] <ogra> Fraxy: it is not allowed to redistribute them....
[09:10] <help_please> secondly, can't we run .mp3 or .wav on Ubuntu ?
[09:10] <Kream> dseomn: archive.ubuntu.org doesn't resolve
[09:10] <Blackwell> can one rerun the xfree86/etc. related autoconfiguration process?
[09:10] <Pozac> help_please, get the gstreamer0.8-mad package
[09:10] <dseomn> Kream: the files might be called 'Packages.gz' in which case you need to uncompress them
[09:10] <ogra> help_please: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:10] <Pozac> help_please, it's in the universe
[09:10] <dseomn> Kream: sorry, archive.ubuntu.com
[09:10] <help_please> ok
[09:10] <Scorp> someone suggest me a player that can play files (mp3) over a windows share? (xmms can't)
[09:10] <help_please> hey Pozac, see my pasted message above
[09:10] <help_please> its my fstab file
[09:10] <help_please> and tell me it its fine ?
[09:10] <Pozac> Scorp, beep-media-player
[09:10] <TenPlus1> Scorp: check out VLC VideoLAN Player, it does ALL formats in Windows,Linux etc.
[09:10] <help_please> so I restart my PC and check whether its mounting or not
[09:11] <Scorp> Pozac isn't that Xmms on gtk2?
[09:11] <Blackwell> Scorp: you mounted that share into the local filesystem?
[09:11] <Pozac> Scorp, you can mount your windows shares as filesystems, then you can use xmms
[09:11] <Pozac> Scorp, and gnome-vfs :)
[09:11] <Scorp> Blackwell no through gnomes thing
[09:11] <dseomn> help_please: you can use mount -a instead of rebooting
[09:11] <Blackwell> Scorp: mount it. then it shouldn't matter to any app.
[09:11] <Fraxy> ogra: i've understand, but flash animations are everywhere
[09:11] <TenPlus1> Q.) I know Samba lets you share files/folders in Ununtu with a Windows computer, but what do I use to share an Internet Connection ???
[09:11] <help_please> what will mount -a do ?
[09:11] <Scorp> smbmnt is that the command?
[09:11] <Scorp> I'd rather not mount but use gnome's thing though
[09:11] <ogra> Fraxy: thats why it is offered in multiverse
[09:11] <help_please> I want my 2 windows drives to automatically mount whenever i restart my PC
[09:12] <dseomn> help_please: mount -a mount's everything from /etc/fstab that's not marked as noauto
[09:12] <ogra> help_please: -a = all
[09:12] <Blackwell> Scorp: the problem is that the gnome thing browses right in there using smb itself. that means that any other app needs to support smb to use that share. that is not the unix spirit to go about things. mount it, really.
[09:12] <Pozac> DAMN flash animations everywhere
[09:12] <dseomn> help_please: mount -a is the command run when you boot up to mount stuff
[09:12] <help_please> ok
[09:12] <help_please> but I'm just asking
[09:12] <help_please> that I have added 2 lines to my fstab file
[09:12] <Scorp> Blackwell ok how do I mount it?
[09:13] <help_please> this will make Ubuntu launch my 2 windows drives automatically when it starts, right ?
[09:13] <catdog> help_please: do your windows partitions have entries in fstab?
[09:13] <Blackwell> Scorp: no idea. you had a pretty good lead there if you ask me.
[09:13] <ogra> help_please: yes
[09:13] <help_please> yes I just manually added them
[09:13] <Scorp> ok I see ty all
[09:13] <Scorp> smbmount it is
[09:14] <TenPlus1> help_please: check this out: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1886
[09:14] <help_please> like this
[09:14] <help_please> ok
[09:14] <Pozac> Blackwell, gnome-vfs now uses a user-space mount thingie, so it's in /tmp somewhere
[09:14] <help_please> dev/hda5	/mnt/D	vfat	defaults,umask=000	0 0
[09:14] <cenerentola> Kamion: a friend of mine, has tried installing ubuntu. but the installer didn't let him partitioning the hd..
[09:14] <Blackwell> Pozac: i see
[09:14] <Pozac> Scorp, sudo mount -t smbfs //machine/share /mnt/point
[09:14] <ogra> help_please: dont care about that page, its ntfs
[09:14] <TenPlus1> Can someone help me with a networking question plz ?
[09:14] <cenerentola> Kamion: well actually.. it didnt accpet partitions..
[09:15] <help_please> ok thankyou guys
[09:15] <help_please> i'll come online whenever I need help again
[09:15] <catdog> help_please: doesn't that work then?
[09:15] <Pozac> Scorp, mount calls smbmount :)
[09:15] <help_please> its nice how you people are working for Ubuntu
[09:15] <ogra> help_please: youre welcome :)
[09:15] <help_please> i'll restart my PC and see if its working or not
[09:15] <help_please> anywayz, take carez
[09:15] <dseomn> help_please: most of us probably don't 'work' for ubuntu
[09:15] <Pozac> help_please, good luck :)
[09:15] <catdog> scorp: you don't need to worry about smbmount, just make sure it's installed.
[09:15] <help_please> i mean just helping Ubuntu
[09:15] <help_please> hey just to ask you
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: any solutions
[09:16] <help_please> where are you people from ?
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> ?
[09:16] <TenPlus1> ogra: do I need to use a proxy server to share an internet connection with a WinXP laptop ???
[09:16] <help_please> i'm from Pakistan
[09:16] <catdog> scorp: and mount will use if it needs to
[09:16] <ogra> TenPlus1: if you only want to browse, yes
[09:16] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, like I said, partition tables corrupting is a bit out of my league, sorry :(
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> ok. thank u anyway.
[09:16] <dseomn> help_please: I'm from Sol 3
[09:16] <TenPlus1> ogra: is their anything else that will allow me to share the FULL internet connection like ftp etc. ?
[09:16] <ogra> TenPlus1: for mail etc, you need a clean NAT setup on the linux box
[09:17] <TenPlus1> ogra: NAT setup ? any docs or how-to's on that ?
[09:17] <help_please> ok guys, catch ya laterzz
[09:17] <Pozac> TenPlus1, you can set ip_forward=1 in /etc/networks/options
[09:17] <ogra> TenPlus1: try firestarter, in nerver used it, but i heard rumors it is helpful in that
[09:17] <Pozac> that will give you VERY basic nat
[09:17] <Blackwell> hm. /dev/mouse typically exists, doesn't it?
[09:17] <TenPlus1> thx guys... much appreciated
[09:17] <Pozac> ogra, like you need to set the default gateway to the machines IP manually
[09:18] <ogra> TenPlus1: look for netfilter NAT documentation .....
[09:18] <ogra> TenPlus1: and use firestarter fi you want a gui to configure that
[09:18] <TenPlus1> kewl, thankxs :)
[09:19] <ogra> Pozac: i am not sure if just  ip_forward=1 in /etc/networks/options is enough....
[09:19] <Kamion> cenerentola: the log files visible on alt-f3 and alt-f4 are usually useful
[09:20] <Pozac> ogra, it will set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 1, no?
[09:20] <Pozac> I think it's enough
[09:20] <ogra> Pozac: yep.... but thats the lowest layer....
[09:20] <cenerentola> Kamion: really thank you
[09:23] <jats-> anyone had any trouble installing Ubuntu on a machine with only 32M of RAM? it SHOULD install with 32M. the machine is an old ibm thinkpad 380xd.
[09:23] <bob2> it won't work
[09:23] <EfaistOs> is there a driver for the canoscan lide 35 available ?
[09:24] <Kream> what's the difference between main, restricted and universe ?
[09:24] <jats-> bob2: it doesn't seem to. :P
[09:24] <bob2> I'm pretty sure 48MB is the minimum for warty
[09:24] <Kamion> Kream: Disk geometry for /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc: 0.000-157066.875 megabytes
[09:24] <Kamion> Disk geometry for /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/disc: 0.000-6204.331 megabytes
[09:24] <Kamion> Disk geometry for /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/disc: 0.000-38166.679 megabytes
[09:24] <bob2> you could possibly do an expert install and mount some swap very early on
[09:24] <Kamion> aargh
[09:24] <Kamion> Kream: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[09:24] <Kamion> bob2: the warty installer is supposed to work with 32MB
[09:24] <bob2> oh
[09:24] <Kamion> although I've not tested it at that level
[09:24] <jats-> it's supposed to work with 32MB, yes
[09:25] <Kamion> dunno where the 48MB figure comes from
[09:25] <Kream> Kamion: thanks :)
[09:25] <jats-> but it can't mount swap through the menus even in expert mode, how do i do it on the command line?
[09:25] <Kamion> swapon
[09:25] <bob2> hm, my mistake, sorry
[09:25] <jats-> hm
[09:25] <jats-> ok.
[09:26] <Kamion> we may have to do a bit of tweaking, it's possible that the 32MB figure from Debian was with 2.4 ...
[09:26] <jats-> just "swapon /dev/hda5", or what?
[09:26] <Kamion> yeah
[09:26] <Blackwell> do i need to restart the pc to restart xfree86/gdm? i tried "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" but that reports "[fail] ". looking at /var/log/gdm/:0.log i see seemingly entries from before trying to restart it.
[09:26] <mkrubel> Help!  the hpoj package is broken, it says it depends on libsnmp5 (>= 5.1) but it is not installable.  What do I do?
[09:26] <jats-> ok, i'll try
[09:27] <jats-> thanks for the help!
[09:27] <ogra> Blackwell: looks like your X config is broken
[09:27] <Blackwell> also, the virtual console 7 shows a message from gdm, telling me to restart gdm when i fixed the configuration and an OK "button", however, i cannot press that button.
[09:27] <Kamion> mkrubel: try 'apt-get install libsnmp5' and find out why that isn't installable. repeat. alternatively, use something better than apt-get ...
[09:27] <ogra> Blackwell: look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[09:27] <Kamion> Blackwell: doesn't enter work?
[09:27] <Blackwell> ogra: yes, i tried changing it, but i cannot get past the "restart it" hurdle :)
[09:27] <Blackwell> Kamion: no :|
[09:28] <Kamion> maybe the keymap's screwed or something
[09:28] <ogra> Blackwell: hope you didnt edit the config manually.... if not, use: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to fix it
[09:28] <mkrubel> oh, I didn't have archive.ubuntu.com in my sources.list , only the CD
[09:28] <mkrubel> that's probably it
[09:28] <Kamion> which CD?
[09:28] <Pozac> install CD?
[09:29] <Kamion> Pozac: no, I mean release
[09:29] <Kamion> warty or hoary, if hoary then which date
[09:29] <Pozac> oh
[09:29] <Kamion> everything on the CD should have its dependencies there too
[09:29] <Pozac> <- lamer ;)
[09:29] <Blackwell> ogra: i ran the vmware-tools installation. i assume they changed things around. i do have the old XF86-Config file, but i cannot get to restart X to try to use that again.
[09:30] <Kamion> hpoj isn't on the CD though
[09:30] <ogra> Blackwell: normally the gdm restart command is sufficient.....
[09:30] <mkrubel> that would explain it.  hpoj is needed for me to scan images
[09:31] <Kamion> it's in universe, you'll have to use that
[09:31] <mkrubel> but it isn't on the Cd
[09:31] <ogra> Blackwell: the dpkg-reconfigure script has a mechanism to prevent changes if the file was ever edited manually....
[09:31] <EfaistOs> is there only sane for  scanner  ?
[09:31] <ogra> Blackwell: did you try to just copy the working XF86Config-4 file back ?
[09:32] <Kamion> if supported packages (i.e. packages not in universe or multiverse) are not sufficient for some reason, you might like to mail ubuntu-devel and explain that, mentioning which supported alternatives you tried and what went wrong with them
[09:32] <ogra> EfaistOs: nope, xsane is the tool
[09:32] <ogra> EfaistOs: dont use sane if xsane is installed (which is by default)
[09:32] <mkrubel> Kamion, is there a supported alternative to sane?
[09:32] <Kamion> I don't know anything about scanners
[09:33] <mkrubel> starting sane before installing the hpoj package gives a "no devices detected" message
[09:33] <EfaistOs> ogra, how often does xsane is updated ? is there a mailing list or something like that somewhere ?
[09:33] <Blackwell> ogra: yes. restarting gdm/X is the problem i have at that point. the log files do not seem to get touched when i try to restart gdm. i am going through the reconfig now.
[09:33] <ogra> EfaistOs: in the stable version of ubuntu only security updates go in
[09:34] <mkrubel> okay, thanks for your help
[09:35] <ogra> hmm.... he probably only needed the sg module...anyway
[09:35] <MarcoMarri> hi guys, I need a help
[09:35] <jats-> enabling swap at an early stage of the install seemed to help, btw, thanks a lot for the help!
[09:36] <Kamion> jats-: good stuff
[09:36] <MarcoMarri> how can I change default OS in the Ubuntu bootloader?
[09:36] <Kamion> MarcoMarri: which architecture?
[09:36] <MarcoMarri> i386 sorry
[09:36] <ogra> MarcoMarri: try this one: http://www.grawert.net/software/startup-settings/
[09:36] <sladen> MarcoMarri: look in /boot/grub/menu.lst on i386
[09:36] <jats-> Kamion: should i make a bug report of it not installing on 32M RAM without tweaking, or something?
[09:36] <Kamion> MarcoMarri: change the 'default' line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:36] <dud> mplayer-586: Depends on: libsdl1.2debian (> 1.2.7+1.2.8) but 1.2.7-10.1ubuntu1 will be installed
[09:36] <MarcoMarri> thankyou vety much
[09:36] <dud> any ideas?
[09:37] <Kamion> jats-: sure, may as well, dunno if we can do anything about it but it's possible
[09:37] <ogra> dud: marillat doesnt work anymore
[09:37] <sladen> dud: have you tried a recent  apt-get update
[09:37] <Kamion> jats-: might also try the alpha-test hoary CD images
[09:37] <ogra> dud: he changed the package dependencys
[09:37] <dud> ogra, any alternative sources?
[09:37] <ogra> nope
[09:37] <sladen> ogra: use multiverse rather than marillat
[09:37] <dud> does multivers have mplayer now?
[09:37] <ogra> sladen: does wartys mplayer work ?
[09:38] <ogra> sladen: until last month it didnt
[09:38] <jats-> Kamion: ok, i just thought if anyone would be interested 'bout the info.
[09:38] <Kamion> jats-: yep, I would, please attach /var/log/debian-installer/* after installation to the bug
[09:38] <dud> doesnt cerkinfo.be work either then?
[09:39] <jats-> Kamion: ok
[09:39] <ogra> dud: totem-xine or gxine play all the files mplayer plays ....
[09:39] <dud> ogra, ok... ill be contempt with that then...
[09:39] <Blackwell> painful, but it seems one should consider the effort required to make a plain reinstall. it seems faster at times. :|
[09:40] <ogra> Blackwell: did you try copying the original file back ?
[09:41] <dud> why do i always get a "package cant be verified" prompt when using apt-get btw?
[09:41] <Kamion> probably because that repository isn't signed
[09:41] <dud> or possibly just from universe/multi
[09:41] <ogra> dud: using hoary ?
[09:41] <dud> yeah, hoary
[09:41] <ogra> dud: then you can use mplayer from multiverse safely
[09:42] <Kamion> you'll probably want ubuntu-keyring (currently in universe)
[09:42] <dud> ok, great
[09:42] <Blackwell> ogra: yes. the log file then says that /dev/mouse does not exist. the installer of vmware may have removed it, i assume.
[09:42] <ogra> dud: hoary introduced a new pkg auth mechanism
[09:42] <ogra> dud: there is a wiki page about that
[09:42] <ogra> Blackwell: the _original_ file (assuming you made a backup before changing )
[09:43] <Kamion> (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary)
[09:43] <Kamion> however you should be sceptical about such pages
[09:43] <Kamion> anyone could edit that page to show a different keyid
[09:43] <Blackwell> ogra: the vmware installer seemingly created a copy of that, yes. i copied that back yes, still problems. i need to restart it, i made the mistake to enter "psaux" for driver, assuming it meant the device.
[09:44] <ogra> Blackwell: hmm, ypu could run xf86cfg ... click on quit and save the file in /tmp or your home dir.... then copy it over
[09:45] <ogra> Blackwell: its a bit tricky to navigate though
[09:45] <jats-> hehe, the expert installer says "Choose a mirror of the Debian archive"
[09:45] <Blackwell> ogra: i am rebooting with the original file now, removing my modification for the mouse driver.
[09:45] <ogra> Blackwell: try it :)
[09:46] <Arnia> Hiya. I'm working on an RDF storage and ontology layer for Gnome (for my dissertation) and I was wondering if anyone was interested in discussing such a concept with me.
[09:46] <Kamion> jats-: fixed in hoary
[09:46] <Kamion> jats-: you netbooting?
[09:47] <jats-> Kamion: nope
[09:47] <Blackwell> ogra: that worked, using the "original" config file. thank you.
[09:47] <ogra> Kamion: 32 mb install ....
[09:47] <Kamion> jats-: oh, you're in expert mode
[09:47] <Kamion> ogra: yes, I know
[09:47] <jats-> yep
[09:47] <ogra> :)
[09:47] <GotD0t> I am going to install windows 2k on my computer, how would i go about restoring grub once its installed
[09:47] <jats-> :>
[09:47] <sladen> Arnia: have you tried sending a message to the  sounder  list?
[09:48] <Arnia> sladen: Uh... no. The project is already underway
[09:48] <ogra> GotD0t: someone wrote a nice howto for a grub floppy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/Randy%20Magee/
[09:48] <GotD0t> thanks ogra
[09:49] <huttan> Anyone know of a way to see ppls webcam over msn?
[09:50] <jkka> huttan: there is gaim-vv
[09:50] <jkka> never tried it
[09:50] <jkka> or managed to get it work..
[09:50] <jkka> once tried :)
[09:50] <huttan> is that a new client, or just like a plugin?
[09:50] <jkka> modified gaim client
[09:51] <jkka> with webcam support
[09:51] <sladen> Arnia: indeed, but telling people aobut it on the mailing list maybe more successful than asking on the IRC channel :)
[09:51] <jats> hmm, funny. my desktop machine just booted
[09:51] <Nivlem> I know I need nfscommon installed to run a nfs server..anything else I need to get?
[09:52] <huttan> kk
[09:52] <Arnia> sladen: heh. Well I'll do that as soon as I get my mail server listening to me when I'm outside of Durham. In the meantime those who wish to read a bit more can go to http://www.netalleynetworks.com/community/jgeldart/research/frege/
[09:52] <Chizad> I'm having problems with my Hoary install.  It's suddenly stopped resolving any hostnames.
[09:52] <ogra> Arnia: seen this ? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AcademicInvolvement
[09:52] <Chizad> It's getting an IP address and DNS servers and all that jazz from my WRT54G, and /etc/resolv.conf is showing the correct DNS server addresses.
[09:53] <ogra> Nivlem: there is a hoeto on the wiki for nfs :)
[09:53] <ogra> howto
[09:54] <GotD0t> ah... i cant mount my floppy
[09:54] <jkka> huttan: http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/samuel.mimram/debian.php
[09:54] <jkka> you could try that
[09:54] <jkka> i havent, but im intrested if it works
[09:54] <jkka> my little sister still wants that for her ubuntu laptop, and i could install next time visiting
[09:54] <Arnia> ogra: Yeah... but I'm not sure of its relevance given that I'm most of the way through the dissertation already :) I'm just looking to get people interested for when I fully open the code-base so that the work can continue
[09:55] <Chizad> All that's in /etc/hosts file is the localhost stuff, and /etc/host.conf has two lines: "order hosts, bind" and "multi on".
[09:55] <Arnia> (I'm also trying to debug a nasty little bug and I need someone else to install to check it isn't just me ;)
[09:55] <Chizad> It's getting access to the outside world as I can ping/connect to servers by IP, but DNS resolution has suddenly stopped working.
[09:55] <ogra> GotD0t: you must change the floppy line in fstab...... change auto to vfat
[09:55] <Chizad> Anyone have any suggestions?
[09:57] <bob2> Chizad: can you ping your nameservers?
[09:57] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: WORKED.. i used a utility called "gpart" which autoguessed my parts. and wrot the table... now my parts hdc1, hdc2, hdc3
[09:58] <jats> hm, the partitioner won't start now, could it have something to do with the fact that i manually enabled some swap
[09:58] <GotD0t> ogra: it tells me /dev/fd0 doesn't exist
[09:58] <jats> i wouldn't really need to start the partitioner but "install base system" from the menu wants to
[10:00] <ogra> GotD0t: oh, try sudo modprobe floppy
[10:00] <GotD0t> ogra: thanks
[10:02] <vladster> cool eh in a geekish kind of way
[10:02] <Duma> yup, lol
[10:02] <dud> argh, i think i just borked my apt-get..
[10:03] <vladster> no formalities, just keep it clean
[10:03] <ogra> dud: how that ?
[10:03] <Chizad> bob2: yes, and the other machines on my network are using them fine, but the ubuntu box is not.
[10:03] <vladster> Just ask questions and someone is bound to have an answer
[10:03] <bob2> Chizad: does 'host google.com ip.of.ns.' work?
[10:04] <vladster> Everybody, meet Duma
[10:04] <Duma> hello
[10:04] <vladster> Ther you havve been introduced
[10:04] <ogra> heh
[10:05] <zenwhen> Hi Im zenwhen.
[10:05] <zenwhen> :D
[10:05] <ogra> lol
[10:05] <vladster> Now just describe the system you have and the level of experience  level you have and what you want to try and do
[10:05] <zenwhen> Wow this sounds formal.
[10:05] <zenwhen> Do I get paid?
[10:06] <zenwhen> :D
[10:06] <ogra> Duma: just ask your questions :)
[10:06] <vladster> when I do zenwhen
[10:06] <zenwhen> o
[10:06] <jats> hm
[10:06] <vladster> She is looking at maybe trying ubuntu
[10:06] <ogra> great !
[10:06] <zenwhen> Why doesnt she?
[10:06] <zenwhen> :)
[10:07] <Duma> well, i have no idea what it is yet
[10:07] <Duma> he just pulled me in here
[10:07] <zenwhen> Oh
[10:07] <vladster> new to linux and would need help if she takes the plunge
[10:07] <zenwhen> Oh vladster you don jaun
[10:07] <zenwhen> :*
[10:07] <vladster> it started over security issues in windows
[10:07] <zenwhen> Oh
[10:07] <vladster> and escalated from that point
[10:07] <zenwhen> Have her try the livecd
[10:08] <Duma> umm, a few hundred miles away from me, but so , so far for don jaun
[10:08] <zenwhen> Theres nothing to lose there.
[10:08] <Duma> k, thats a good thing
[10:08] <vladster> except the blinders
[10:08] <zenwhen> huh
[10:08] <ryan_> hey, just a question...i know that the universe packages aren't updated. But, will they be updated between releases? For instance, amsn is at version 0.92 in universe right now and it wont be updated. but when hoary is released, will it be updated to say version 0.95 in the hoary tree?
[10:08] <zenwhen> You want her to try it out, and risk f'ing something up and hating it forever?
[10:09] <zenwhen> That's a bad move.
[10:09] <ogra> ryan_: it will be up to date with the version that is current on relese
[10:09] <zenwhen> She should TRY the livecd first.
[10:09] <vladster> You never know unless you try something
[10:09] <ryan_> ogra: ok, thx
[10:09] <Chizad> bob2: after making some changes in my router, it's working again.
[10:09] <ogra> ryan_: or better on freeze... which is some weeks before
[10:10] <zenwhen> Duma, download this big file http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/warty/warty-release-live-i386.iso
[10:10] <Duma> ok
[10:10] <vladster> If an old man like me could learn it, someone like her would pick it up easier
[10:10] <ogra> zenwhen: Duma is here, why do you talk in third person ?
[10:10] <zenwhen> you will need to burn it with an application such as nero
[10:10] <Chizad> I've been having intermittent issues with the Comcast DNS servers, so I set my router to use static DNS and pointed it at the Open RSC servers at the suggestion of a friend.
[10:10] <vladster> cause I am talikng to you
[10:10] <Duma> haha, but i dont know much about pc's and stuff, so
[10:11] <vladster> Duma you =have a burning utility?
[10:11] <Chizad> That worked fine for a while, but then my Ubuntu box started having problems.  I assumed it was an issue with just that machine, as my windows machines were still fine.
[10:11] <zenwhen> You will then boot your computer with it in the drive and it will show oyu a bit of what Ubuntu is like and let you try out the applications. If you don't throw up, you should try an actual install.
[10:11] <ogra> Duma: i think its just more polite....
[10:11] <vladster> yes
[10:11] <Chizad> Oh well, it's working now.
[10:11] <vladster> I think burners are the floppys of today
[10:12] <vladster> what?
[10:12] <ogra> Duma: if you try it and got any questions, dont hassle to come and ask here, even if you fear your own knowledge, we can help surely out
[10:12] <Duma> k, thx
[10:13] <vladster> Ther are also a lot of great free apps out there too
[10:13] <Duma> what i fear most is my english knowlegde, and that i will mess up my pc
[10:13] <vladster> it supports many languages
[10:13] <Duma> k, i hope dutch too
[10:13] <Kamion> live CD's good for that, it doesn't mess with your hard disk
[10:14] <Kamion> Dutch is pretty well supported
[10:14] <vladster> piece"o"cake
[10:14] <ogra> Duma: we care for that as much as we can :) and btw, there is also #ubuntu-es -fr -de and several others
[10:14] <ogra> Duma: most ppl in here are not native english speakers....
[10:14] <Duma> k
[10:15] <ogra> vladster: in fact about 14000 apps in ubuntu :)
[10:15] <vladster> cool
[10:15] <ogra> vladster: sorry, package, apps are more....
[10:16] <sjoerd> Duma: there is also #ubuntu-nl with dutch speaking people :)
[10:16] <cenerentola> buona notte/good night everyone
[10:16] <cenerentola> ciao ogra
[10:16] <ogra> cenerentola: ciao
[10:16] <vladster> not bad eh
[10:16] <vladster> pick a language any language
[10:17] <Duma> thx, but this is fine now, i got it so, i'll stick around now, at least i know vladster here
[10:17] <zenwhen> I am a native english speaker. I am in fact a regular G.I. Joe real american hero.
[10:17] <zenwhen> :O
[10:17] <Duma> :)
[10:17] <ogra> hehe
[10:17] <ogra> i'm still german and not related to any army :)
[10:17] <zenwhen> I want a hoary ISO so bad I can taste it.
[10:18] <zenwhen> :(
[10:18] <ogra> zenwhen: there are already two
[10:18] <vladster> I speak only three langauges, english bad english and binary
[10:18] <zenwhen> huh
[10:18] <vladster> cool
[10:18] <Pozac> 01000010011110111
[10:18] <zenwhen> is there a fairly up to date one?
[10:18] <Duma> lol vladster
[10:18] <ogra> vladster: lol
[10:18] <vladster> 100010100101011100010100010101001010010101111010101010101
[10:18] <ogra> vladster: could you translate Pozac for us ?
[10:18] <ogra> oh
[10:18] <Pozac> vladster, 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111 (!)
[10:18] <vladster> rihgt on brother
[10:19] <Duma> 0001001100
[10:19] <Pozac> is 1111111 a swear word in binary?
[10:19] <vladster> really well ,11011010100101
[10:19] <ogra> zenwhen: array2 is the latest afaik... but for testing only i think
[10:19] <zenwhen> oh
[10:20] <vladster> 01111110
[10:20] <Kamion> array cd 2 was about a week and a half ago
[10:20] <zenwhen> Could I dist upgrade to hoary from it?
[10:20] <ogra> zenwhen: it is hoary
[10:20] <Kamion> why would you bother downloading a CD just to upgrade?
[10:20] <zenwhen> Dialup
[10:20] <zenwhen> where can I find ths disk?
[10:20] <intinig> how do I increase the size of those new multiwindow taskbar buttons?
[10:20] <Kamion> Pozac: collective noun for hedgehogs
[10:21] <MacRO> hi
[10:21] <bob2> intinig: it's a known bug in hoary
[10:21] <vladster> spiny norman?
[10:21] <Kamion> zenwhen: do you mean upgrade to hoary using the CD from a warty installation, or do you mean install using the CD and upgrade to current hoary?
[10:21] <Pozac> Kamion, oh
[10:21] <Pozac> an array of hedgehogs
[10:21] <ogra> intinig:  multiwindow taskbar buttons ??
[10:21] <zenwhen> Kamion, I mean using the disk as an apt source an doing an upgrade.
[10:21] <ogra> intinig: you mean the tasklist ?
[10:21] <intinig> bob2, can't increase their size?
[10:21] <zenwhen> and*
[10:21] <zenwhen> Is that supported?
[10:21] <ogra> intinig: you can
[10:21] <Kamion> zenwhen: why is that easier over dialup than just getting the packages?
[10:22] <zenwhen> Are you not on dialup?
[10:22] <Kamion> no
[10:22] <intinig> ogra, yes since last update (for me) every button in the taskbar points to all the windows of a program
[10:22] <ogra> intinig: right click on the little handle there... select settings
[10:22] <vladster> increase your task list by 3 to 4 inches
[10:22] <intinig> like the mac does :)
[10:22] <zenwhen> I have to go somewhere to download the ISO
[10:22] <bob2> I assum zenwhen will get someone else to download it for him/her
[10:22] <ogra> intinig: adjust the min size .....
[10:22] <zenwhen> Right
[10:22] <Kamion> zenwhen: ah, ok
[10:22] <Crane> ok I'm having prob again
[10:22] <zenwhen> But should it work?
[10:22] <Crane> lol
[10:22] <Kamion> zenwhen: it might be fiddly if you have packages installed beyond what's on the CD
[10:22] <Crane> hard to believe huh
[10:23] <bob2> intinig: don't know, should be fixed soon
[10:23] <zenwhen> Oh
[10:23] <Pozac> Crane, speak up :)
[10:23] <vladster> DUma, how far along is the download
[10:23] <bob2> zenwhen: apt-zip might be a better choice
[10:23] <etorix> id wait for the next array .. or dist-upgrade next week or so
[10:23] <Kamion> zenwhen: should be possible, but you might find yourself downloading lots from the network anyway
[10:23] <Duma> 11
[10:23] <Pozac> whats the problem?
[10:23] <Duma> 11%
[10:23] <zenwhen> Ill try it out
[10:23] <Crane> I decided to install ubuntu as my main distro
[10:23] <Pozac> Good choice
[10:23] <zenwhen> Worst that can happen is I have to flatten and reinstall.
[10:23] <ogra> zenwhen: and you should make sure to install he metapackages again if you removed them
[10:23] <zenwhen> ok
[10:23] <Kamion> zenwhen: if you wanted to use the CD for that purpose, you'd be better off using a current daily to minimise the diff against what's currently in the archive
[10:23] <intinig> 500px minimus is ok
[10:23] <intinig> minimum
[10:23] <vladster> she is connecting through a proxy, another pc
[10:23] <Crane> I have a partition I have all my games music and pictures installed on
[10:24] <Crane> that I want to save
[10:24] <Kamion> zenwhen: because to make it work you will need to add both the CD and archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary as apt sources
[10:24] <ogra> intinig: did it help ?
[10:24] <zenwhen> oh
[10:24] <Kamion> the CD will then basically act as a cache
[10:24] <zenwhen> upgrading is going to be incovenient for me no matter what then.
[10:24] <zenwhen> I just wont until final then.
[10:24] <intinig> ogra, yep now I can read some text :D
[10:24] <Kamion> dailies are at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/, you can get somebody to download that for you
[10:24] <Crane> When I try to select use partion and save contents it gives me an error that
[10:24] <vladster> Duma there is a very powerful package installer that come with it called apt-get
[10:24] <ogra> intinig: great
[10:24] <ogra> :)
[10:25] <Kamion> a single day's churn should be tolerable even over dialup
[10:25] <Crane> it found inconsistancies and will not use the partitiion
[10:25] <vladster> it is probably the best software installer around
[10:25] <intinig> :)
[10:25] <zenwhen> Kamion,
[10:25] <Duma> k, so thats downloading too right? vladster?
[10:25] <Kamion> apt-get is much less good then the other user interfaces over apt
[10:25] <zenwhen>  hoary-install-i386.iso
[10:25] <zenwhen> ?
[10:25] <Crane> yes
[10:25] <Kamion> zenwhen: assuming you're on i386, yes
[10:25] <zenwhen> Is that what I want?
[10:25] <zenwhen> so it is like an apt mirror?
[10:25] <zenwhen> Can can be added with synaptic?
[10:26] <Kamion> should be able to, yes
[10:26] <zenwhen> And can*
[10:26] <zenwhen> cool
[10:26] <Kamion> after all the installer itself uses apt to install from the CD
[10:26] <vladster> Synaptic is a grahic installer for apt-get
[10:26] <Kamion> no
[10:26] <Crane> can I select do not use and mount it after the install
[10:26] <MacRO> i have installed ubuntu 4.10 and i have a big problem...when i start a connection whit a modem ethernet the system crashes (i can't open the applications,the home directory,..nothing)
[10:26] <Kamion> synaptic is a graphical interface to the apt library
[10:26] <etorix> apt-cdrom add
[10:26] <Kamion> apt-get is a very limited command-line interface to the apt library
[10:27] <Kamion> synaptic is not a frontend to apt-get
[10:27] <vladster> how come they share the same var space
[10:27] <Kamion> var space?
[10:27] <zenwhen> Ill leave my server on warty for now.
[10:27] <zenwhen> :P
[10:27] <Crane> maybe
[10:27] <vladster> spave in the var directory
[10:27] <Crane> ?
[10:27] <Kamion> because that's handled by the apt library, which is common to both programs
[10:28] <zenwhen> Having a caching server makes dialup so much better.
[10:28] <zenwhen> And makes me less of a burden to webmasters.
[10:28] <shampoo> Hi
[10:28] <zenwhen> :)
[10:28] <zenwhen> hi
[10:29] <shampoo> I have 1024Megs of RAM on my Thinkpad A31 and Linux/Ubuntu only sees 885. I've added the mem=1024M to Grub with no luck. Any ideas?
[10:29] <Crane> so can the partition be repaired or am I just screwed?
[10:29] <spikeb> hrm
[10:29] <zenwhen> Kamion, this dialy iso thing has sealed the deal as far as me doing an upgrade to hoary goes. Darn you. :P
[10:29] <zenwhen> daily*
[10:29] <jats> zenwhen: which country are you in? don't you have decent broadband internet connections at decent prices yet?
[10:29] <sladen> shampoo: the remainder is used for page-tables at the like
[10:29] <ironwolf> What do people use to put music on an ipod-mini with ubuntu?
[10:29] <usual> Any idea why a GTK2 theme wouldn't work?
[10:29] <zenwhen> jats: we have great broadband connections at decent prices but I do not live anywhere NEAR anyone.
[10:30] <shampoo> sladen, so that free -m reports 885 that's correct ?
[10:30] <sladen> shampoo: it's like the FAT/inode tables on a Hard disk using up 5% of the apparently available space
[10:30] <vladster> Duma, you could be turning Japanese, I really think so................
[10:30] <sladen> shampoo: correct
[10:30] <zenwhen> I love on my own land far away form any cable or dsl lines.
[10:30] <zenwhen> live*
[10:30] <shampoo> sladen, ahh cool ok thanks
[10:30] <jats> zenwhen: oh, ok
[10:30] <jats> sucks.
[10:30] <Kamion> zenwhen: heh; originally it just existed for my convenience ...
[10:30] <zenwhen> lol
[10:30] <mroth> im surprised there are still places that dont have broadband
[10:30] <jats> the dsl prices have gone down enormously over the last couple of years in finland
[10:30] <Duma> vladster, no i dont think so...
[10:31] <sladen> shampoo: never mind the 64MB of RAM that is probably being used for the video card
[10:31] <zenwhen> There are still places that dont want reasons for tons of townies to flod in.
[10:31] <bob2> shampoo: if you want to see the rest, you'll need to build a kernel with HIGHMEM enabled
[10:31] <ogra> sladen: there is a 900M limit on the 386 kernel that is not on the 686 kernel
[10:31] <vladster> teehee
[10:31] <zenwhen> flood*
[10:32] <vladster> I got a Swiss Army pen for xmas
[10:32] <spikeb> why is that limit present ?
[10:32] <Kamion> sladen: 139MB is a hell of a lot to use up on administrivia!
[10:32] <ogra> heh
[10:33] <zenwhen> because machines that cant use an i386 kernel are less likely to have that much memory, and it takes resources to be able to address more than 900MB.
[10:33] <zenwhen> I mean i686
[10:33] <GotD0t> is it possible to install windows without it messing with all my other partitions?
[10:33] <spikeb> well since the default kernel is the 386 one, it seems silly
[10:33] <ogra> GotD0t: if you got free space in the beginnig of the disk for win....
[10:34] <Kamion> spikeb: that's an artifact of how the CDs are organised
[10:34] <zenwhen> Windows will shove itself into your MBR no matter what.
[10:34] <Kamion> it's slightly tempting to shove the 686 kernel onto the CD for hoary
[10:34] <Kamion> (as well)
[10:34] <ogra> vladster, Duma: leave your hair on the head :)
[10:34] <GotD0t> zenwhen: its not the mbr im worried about... its the data
[10:34] <zenwhen> GotD0t, oh
[10:34] <zenwhen> Yeah
[10:34] <Duma> trying, trying...
[10:34] <bob2> Kamion: that's a lot of precious cd space
[10:34] <zenwhen> Windows isnt going to say "OH GOD LINUX???? IM GONNA KILL IT!"
[10:35] <ogra> Duma: hehe
[10:35] <mroth> they are working on that feature i hear
[10:35] <zenwhen> :P
[10:35] <Kamion> bob2: we already effectively have to reserve that space, because the powerpc CD has to have three kernels on it
[10:35] <^_Blackmoon_^> hi
[10:35] <bob2> Kamion: oooh, right
[10:35] <vladster> loud eh
[10:35] <GotD0t> zenwhen: it doesnt do it on purpose... its just too stupid to keep the data intact
[10:35] <Kamion> so I'm beginning to think we might as well do something with it, considering that it's a FAQ
[10:35] <bob2> Kamion: pmac, power4 and power5?
[10:35] <Kamion> no; powerpc, power3, power4
[10:36] <bob2> ah
[10:36] <drspin> XMMS won't launch :(
[10:36] <spikeb> you guys do an excellent job with the powerpc edition of ubuntu, i might add.
[10:36] <Kamion> we could probably lose power3, but power4's needed for G5 systems and we can't drop those on the floor
[10:36] <spikeb> it's a nice treat to the rather bare ppc linux landscape
[10:36] <Crane> A check of file system with type ext3 on partition #5 of hda showed uncorrected errors
[10:36] <Kamion> (since power3 systems generally netboot)
[10:36] <Kamion> spikeb: you're welcome
[10:36] <Duma> this download is taking forever...25% now, i hope my pc can handle such a big file
[10:36] <Crane> if you do not go back and correst these errors the partition will not be used at all
[10:37] <spikeb> Kamion, :)
[10:37] <ogra> Crane: so correct them
[10:37] <zenwhen> I'd like to see Ubuntu set up mpd by default and ask you where your music is. :) Too bad it decodes mp3. :(
[10:37] <Kamion> hm, I should stop doing installations on mental autopilot
[10:37] <Crane> ummm I can't figure out how
[10:37] <bob2> drspin: erros aboit linker inconsitencies?
[10:37] <ogra> Crane: fsck is your friend :)
[10:37] <spikeb> zenrox, im sure you can disable mp3 encoding at build time
[10:37] <Crane> fsck?
[10:37] <ogra> drspin: do you use a nvidia card ?
[10:37] <ogra> Crane: yep
[10:37] <Crane> won't that format the drive?
[10:38] <drspin> bob2: ??
[10:38] <zenwhen> yeah but then there would be little reason for mpd
[10:38] <drspin> OGRA: yep!
[10:38] <zenwhen> no one uses ogg
[10:38] <ogra> Crane: nope
[10:38] <ogra> Crane: its a filesystem check tool
[10:38] <zenwhen> Until more than one mp3 player supports it, its not worht anything.
[10:38] <spikeb> well yeah, but nobody uses ogg for rhythmbox either
[10:38] <bob2> drspin: er, are you using the nvidia binary-only nonfree drivers?
[10:38] <spikeb> heh
[10:38] <ogra> drspin: there is a bug in the nvidia driver
[10:38] <Crane> ogra: oh ok
[10:38] <ogra> drspin: that makes libmikmod necessary for xmms
[10:38] <Kamion> zenwhen: it'd certainly be useful for me, my entire jukebox is .ogg
[10:38] <bob2> drspin: there's a bug in them, install libmikmod2 to work around it
[10:38] <vladster> Does anyone remeber the website for all the website that has a detaile description of all the chat commands?
[10:38] <drspin> K thanks!
[10:38] <spikeb> most of my stuff is ogg and flac
[10:39] <ogra> drspin: look in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:39] <Pozac> Does anybody know if it's possible to boot the warty iso from an ext2 fs through only grub?
[10:39] <Crane> ogra: so I need to boot to live cd and repair or can it be done from install cd
[10:39] <spikeb> (ripped from cds i own)
[10:39] <Kamion> Pozac: I don't understand; you don't boot CDs from filesystems ...
[10:39] <Pozac> like a root (hd0,2)/file/iso.cd
[10:39] <ogra> vladster: something with freenode and faq in the url
[10:39] <Kamion> oh
[10:39] <esher>  any1 knows linux font to display ae oe etc in console window nicely ?
[10:39] <ogra> Crane: not sure about the install cd, but surely from the live cd
[10:39] <Pozac> Kamion, I'm trying to find a way to help Prasatko install Ubuntu from HD only
[10:40] <zenwhen> Ill stick with mp3 until I theres a flash based ogg player for a good price
[10:40] <zenwhen> -I
[10:40] <Kamion> Pozac: I don't think so, but there's a method in hoary for USB sticks that's adaptable to that
[10:40] <Crane> then is tha command fsck /dev/hda5 ?
[10:40] <Kamion> Pozac: you could netboot, too
[10:40] <ogra> Crane: look if fsck.ext3 is there
[10:40] <vladster> I normally use the console mode with irssi , roight now using a windows boot to move old file off of a server
[10:40] <Crane> k
[10:40] <ogra> Crane: if yes, then just use it
[10:41] <Kamion> Pozac: or, hey, in warty, take the netboot vmlinuz and initrd.gz and boot those, and then just pretend you're netbooting (so fetch everything from the network)
[10:41] <Pozac> Kamion, hmm.. in the wiki?
[10:41] <ogra> Cloudchaser: hi
[10:41] <Cloudchaser> thanks for making the wiki ogra
[10:41] <ogra> :)
[10:41] <Cloudchaser> ;)
[10:41] <Kamion> Pozac: the installation manual would seem more plausible for this
[10:41] <Cloudchaser> i was so happy to get it working! :)
[10:41] <zenwhen> ogra, you made the wiki?
[10:41] <Cloudchaser> its goofy but it works so i can live with it
[10:42] <ogra> zenwhen: i made some wiki pages, yes
[10:42] <zenwhen> No wonder you werent happy with me yesterday. :P
[10:42] <Pozac> Kamion, can he mount the iso loopback?
[10:42] <Pozac> Kamion, thanks a lot :)
[10:42] <Kamion> Pozac: yes, but not at that level
[10:42] <ogra> zenwhen: its not that... i'm happy about every good helping doc
[10:43] <vladster> if mozilla is stopped in a download process, can it be resumed?
[10:43] <ogra> zenwhen: i will make a review if i find the time and send it to the ubuntuguide guy
[10:43] <crimsun> vladster: yes
[10:44] <vladster> Duma, you guys should get a broadand router
[10:44] <Cloudchaser> ogra you were absolutely right about not doing the symlinks for the palm..they never showed up again after the first sync which is why it wouldn't sync again
[10:44] <Duma> i think we do, but with his firewall, and just the fact that it has to go though my dads pc makes it slow
[10:44] <ogra> Cloudchaser: i know ;)
[10:45] <jats> did anyone have any idea about why warty's installer won't install the base system? it tries to start the partitioner, which won't start. could it have anything to do with the fact that i enabled some swap manually earlier on in the install?
[10:45] <vladster> I guess you can pick up where you left off then
[10:45] <Cloudchaser> hehe it took me some time to see that..i'm sorry..i had seen 5 different how-tos that said to make them
[10:45] <Duma> ok, thats a good thing
[10:45] <vladster> IE won't do that
[10:46] <ogra> Cloudchaser: thats the linux 2.4 way... that worked once..... but today is 2.6 :)
[10:46] <Cloudchaser> ohhh
[10:46] <crimsun> jats: which partition is the swap partition?
[10:46] <Crane> ok I found fsck.ext3
[10:46] <GotD0t> whats the difference between a logical and a primary partition?
[10:46] <vladster> I am clearing out a 60 gig drive for ubuntu
[10:46] <jats> crimsun: hda5
[10:46] <Cloudchaser> i see...i didn't realize it was a kernel difference that made them not work the same
[10:46] <ogra> Crane: so call it with the dsvice name ....
[10:46] <Crane> entered fsck.ext3 /dev/hda5
[10:46] <Cloudchaser> linux is so tricky that way..
[10:47] <crimsun> jats: I know with the Warty prerelease that creating swap on /dev/hda1 hangs the installer; no idea if that was fixed.
[10:47] <Crane> device not found
[10:47] <ogra> Crane: hmm....
[10:47] <Cloudchaser> its what keeps people from even trying it i think...complications like that
[10:47] <Crane> y computer hate me
[10:47] <Crane> lol
[10:47] <Cloudchaser> for me..it just makes me feel stupid
[10:47] <Crane> my
[10:47] <Cloudchaser> because i can't figure things out so easily
[10:47] <jats> crane, are you on the install cd?
[10:47] <ogra> Cloudchaser: its getting better......
[10:47] <Crane> yep
[10:48] <Kamion> Cloudchaser: is the behaviour of Windows shortcuts really so different?
[10:48] <Kamion> if anything symlinks are easier ...
[10:48] <Cloudchaser> kamion its not the symlinks that is confusing
[10:48] <jabra> can anyone help me I am gettin a weird pcmcia error: pcmcia_socekt0 time out after reset
[10:48] <Cloudchaser> its the way the system changed
[10:48] <vladster> the fun thing is going to be the pulling all my personal stuff off of the SuSe boot
[10:48] <jats> Crane: then that would probably be /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5 :)
[10:48] <jats> Crane: if i'm correct
[10:49] <Kamion> zenwhen: (p.s. don't bother trying to install from a daily ISO at the moment ...)
[10:49] <Cloudchaser> before you made symlinks..and it worked..now..the device is only detected when you hit the sync button then it goes away so the syms go away and are never recreated
[10:49] <crimsun> neat, xine-lib 1.0 is finally released.
[10:49] <jats> Crane: check out ls in /dev, the devices are named differently on the install cd than in a installed system
[10:49] <vladster> gtg, kids system needs help
[10:50] <Kamion> jats: /dev/discs/ is easier to cope with than the full-blown /dev/ide/blah nightmare
[10:50] <jats> Kamion: ahh, seems like.
[10:51] <jats> Kamion: any idea why won't the partitioner start with the pre-enabled swap?
[10:52] <jats> or can i install the base system without starting the partitioner at all
[10:53] <jats> from the console, or something
[10:53] <drspin> is there a way to make XMMS read track number tags?
[10:53] <crimsun> drspin: it already does.
[10:53] <Crane> jats: that was it
[10:54] <drspin> crimsun - how can I sort a playlist by album where all the tracks are in order
[10:54] <Crane> after running command it took less that a second to complete
[10:54] <Crane> does that sound right?
[10:54] <crimsun> drspin: it should do that be default when you load it, why?
[10:54] <crimsun> drspin: what format are these files?
[10:54] <drspin> mp3
[10:54] <ogra> Crane no messages =
[10:54] <ogra> ?
[10:54] <jats> Crane: /dev/discs/disc0/part5 is an easier path btw, as Kamion pointed out :P
[10:55] <crimsun> drspin: and id3info/id3v2 -l/mp3info tells you they have track # tags?
[10:55] <Crane> lol now you tell me
[10:55] <Crane> :)
[10:55] <crimsun> drspin: note that you can sort in such a manner
[10:55] <jats> sorry crane :>
[10:56] <drspin> crimsun IDSv2 and I added the track tags myself
[10:56] <Kamion> jats: no idea
[10:56] <crimsun> drspin: should be sorted when you load
[10:56] <Kamion> sorry, I probably should know, but I haven't done much lowmem work
[10:56] <jats> Kamion: hrhm, soon you'll have to sell me some memory for my old thinkpad :P
[10:59] <jats> hm
[10:59] <Pozac> 64 MB's of IBM SO-DIMM PC100
[10:59] <jats> Pozac: thinking of visiting Finland anytime soon?-)
[11:00] <ogra> jats: what will you do with this system, once you installed btw ?
[11:00] <Pozac> jats, not quite :)
[11:00] <Pozac> jats, beware when you buy memory though
[11:00] <kebac> jats: finland rules
[11:00] <Pozac> I have an X21 with a 64mb soldered in and a 256mb stick of which it only finds 128
[11:01] <Pozac> :/
[11:01] <dud> the weirdest little thing happened a while ago
[11:01] <spikeb> i need to get myself a laptop :)
[11:01] <dud> ubuntu suddendly popped up a message saying there were pictures in my webcam
[11:01] <dud> well, digi/webcam
[11:01] <dud> i didnt think it registered it
[11:01] <Blackwell> dud: someone is spying on you
[11:01] <ogra> dud: after you plugged in ?
[11:01] <dud> but i clicked download anyhow, and it just did nothing
[11:01] <tsw> my thinkpad ubuntu install just crashed yesterday.. new kernel smashed pcmcia
[11:02] <ogra> dud: its supposed to do
[11:02] <jats> ogra: play music over wlan
[11:02] <dud> ogra, nah it came me doing some apt stuff
[11:02] <jats> ogra: and irc.
[11:02] <dud> and apt restarted some dmon
[11:02] <spikeb> gotta build myself a new desktop first
[11:02] <dud> something with pt* something
[11:02] <ogra> dud: hal
[11:02] <ogra> dud:  pmount
[11:02] <dud> yeah
[11:03] <ogra> dud: they are a team with dbus
[11:03] <dud> in paraolympics?
[11:03] <ogra> dud: and care for the automounting stuff etc
[11:03] <dud> heh, its not working as far as i can see :P
[11:03] <jats> ogra: i have my desktop machines in another room than my stereo and bed, so i'm going to try to build a system to play mp3's over wlan with the thinkpad connected to my stereo in my bedroom, and send audioscrobbler stats to the net :)
[11:03] <ogra> jats: ah, great setup :)
[11:04] <dud> now it came again
[11:04] <dud> after i press import nothing happens
[11:04] <ogra> dud: your cam probably isnt supported by gphoto..... i can help out....
[11:04] <davmor2> gmplayer is playing up when the alsa mixer is selected does any one know why
[11:04] <jats> ogra: there are a few problems, such as the wlan cards, drivers and ndiswrapper, and installing ubuntu on the low-mem thinkpad :P but i'll try
[11:04] <dud> its almost sortof supported
[11:04] <ogra> dud: http://www.grawert.net/software/pimp/
[11:04] <dud> i got it working in slackware after like... 4 days of fiddling
[11:04] <ogra> dud: try this, its for such cameras
[11:05] <dud> wait, now something happened...
[11:05] <jats> tsw: wanna sell one thinkpad so-dimm? :)
[11:05] <dud> weird, because nothing happened the last time hehe
[11:05] <davmor2> and is there a driver for a hp R707 camera
[11:05] <tsw> jats: not really, but if I can find bigger maybe then..
[11:05] <ogra> dud: is it a canon ?
[11:05] <jats> hmhm
[11:06] <dud> nope, creative pc-cam600
[11:06] <dud> gthumb can use it just fine
[11:06] <ogra> dud: ah, ok
[11:06] <ogra> dud: great
[11:06] <dud> every libghoto2 frontend *but* gphoto2 itself can use it
[11:06] <spikeb> HEH
[11:06] <dud> +p
[11:06] <spikeb> how amusing
[11:07] <kipod> did some here secceded to run bittornado ?
[11:07] <dud> i did
[11:07] <ogra> davmor2: http://gphoto.sourceforge.net/proj/libgphoto2/support.php
[11:08] <dud> but i cant find any torrents that isnt overloaded today kipod
[11:08] <dud> not movies anyhow
[11:08] <kipod> dud,  what have u done after u have installed it ( via the aptget )
[11:09] <kipod> on my machien i can't even run it  ( when i try to doble click on a torrent file it does not lunch bittorrent )
[11:10] <spikeb> i would love to have a real router that didnt suck
[11:10] <spikeb> so i could use BT
[11:10] <spikeb> heh
[11:12] <jats> anyone else in Finland have any old ibm thinkpad memory lying around?
[11:12] <jats> (long shot :>)
[11:12] <ogra> jats: tried ebay ?
[11:13] <jats> not yet, newsgroups either
[11:13] <jats> probably i can find some
[11:15] <Nivlem> How does one set the NFS server name?
[11:17] <ogra> Nivlem: this normally is the ip or fqdn .... there is no nfs server name afaik
[11:17] <tritium> I don't get any volume out of xine.
[11:17] <Nivlem> ogra: Greets..and thanks...hmmm..can't seem to mount the nfs share..
[11:17] <tritium> Do I need to kill esound server?
[11:17] <ogra> Nivlem: have you adjusted the portmap setup loke the wiki suggests ?
[11:18] <ogra> like
[11:18] <Nivlem> Yes that was the wiki I followed...took out the -i 127.<blah>
[11:18] <ogra> Nivlem: and restarted portmap ?
[11:18] <Nivlem> ogra: and restarted the portmap service
[11:18] <ogra> k
[11:19] <ogra> your exports file is set up right ?
[11:19] <Nivlem> I am connecting from a mac(client) to Ubuntu(PC), yes when I restarted nfs-kernel-blah it didn't complain
[11:19] <jats> i have a quick "stupid question" i couldn't find in the faqs and howtos: how do i make the samba services start automatically at boot? shouldn't they?
[11:20] <ogra> Nivlem: but you have added exports in the exports file ?
[11:20] <Nivlem> ogra: Yes that is correct
[11:20] <ogra> hmm
[11:20] <ogra> works here
[11:20] <Nivlem> ogra: /media/hda5/Music       UbuntuHP,MacG4(rw,sync)
[11:21] <ogra> 192.168.100.26:/mnt/hda2        /mnt/rohrwerk   nfs     rsize=8192,wsize=8192,rw,user,noauto    0       0
[11:21] <ogra> Nivlem: 192.168.100.26 is my server
[11:21] <jats> samba is in /etc/init.d and there is a K09samba in /etc/rc2.d/ that is a symlink to /etc/init.d/samba... should that be S09samba, or what?
[11:22] <ogra> Nivlem: thats in the client fstab.....
[11:22] <Nivlem> ogra: Ok...I can ping the hosts name for both..one to the other..
[11:23] <Nivlem> ogra: What about from command line? I guess mount -tnfs /media/hda5/Music /wherever on the client?
[11:24] <ogra> Nivlem: mount -t nfs -o rw 192.168.100.26:/mnt/hda2  /mnt/rohrwerk would it be for me
[11:24] <ogra> Nivlem: /mnt/rohrwerk is the local mountpoint
[11:25] <Cloudchaser> jats samba starts for me automatically at boot
[11:25] <Cloudchaser> i dont think i had to do anything to it to make it start auto though
[11:25] <Nivlem> ogra: Ok...I was just looking at my /Volumes on my mac(default mount dir)..I already see UbuntuPC listed(this is the name of the nfs server...says it is auto disk mounted...hmm
[11:27] <ogra> Nivlem: heh, macos
[11:27] <Nivlem> ogra: Nope..darwin on OS X BSD layer
[11:29] <ogra> jats: it should be an S in rc2.d yep
[11:30] <ogra> jats: did you already install samba ?
[11:30] <jats> sure. :)
[11:30] <jats> it works fine, it just has to be started manually each boot
[11:30] <Pozac> hmm
[11:30] <ogra> jats: normally services you install should start automatically on boot
[11:30] <jats> yep
[11:31] <Pozac> ls /etc/rc2.d/*samba
[11:31] <Pozac> does that give anything?
[11:31] <ogra> jats: at least in the init scripts....its up to the server not to start up if its misconfigured, so this is strange
[11:31] <jats> pozac,
[11:31] <ogra> Pozac: yep, a K09
[11:31] <jats> 00:21:46 < jats> samba is in /etc/init.d and there is a K09samba in /etc/rc2.d/ that is a symlink to /etc/init.d/samba... should that be S09samba, or what?
[11:32] <Pozac> doh, sorry
[11:32] <jats> np :)
[11:32] <jats> ogra: it starts if i run /etc/init.d/samba start
[11:32] <jats> ogra: and works
[11:32] <ogra> jats: sure
[11:32] <Pozac> I have a S20samba
[11:32] <jats> ogra: and it started after i installed it, but not after the first boot
[11:32] <ogra> jats: but it doesnt start on boot with a K
[11:32] <jats> ok ok so i'll fix it :)
[11:32] <Pozac> K is stop at shutdown?
[11:32] <jats> but shouldn't the install automatically make it a S?
[11:32] <ogra> just mv the symlink ;)
[11:33] <jats> yep
[11:33] <bob2> K is kill, yeah
[11:33] <bob2> the install would have put a symlink in rc2 frfor you
[11:33] <ogra> jats: thats what i'm ranting about ;)
[11:33] <jats> hehe
[11:33] <jats> we have serious communication problems :>
[11:33] <jats> all of us
[11:34] <spikeb> i just stay quiet.
[11:34] <spikeb> :)
[11:34] <ogra> jats: heh....we speak english (more or less)
[11:34] <Pozac> I'm legally excused
[11:34] <ogra> Pozac: just because your danish...nah
[11:34] <Pozac> aww
[11:35] <ogra> no excuse
[11:35] <jats> let's all speak esperanto.
[11:35] <Pozac> because I'm lame and miss a lot of communication (mine and others) then ?
[11:35] <ogra> hmm
[11:35] <ogra> jats: what about klingon ?
[11:35] <jats> :>
[11:35] <jats> btw, what does this mean in the installer:
[11:36] <jats> Linux kernel modules needed to drive some of your hardware are not available yet, blah blah... ide-mod (Linux IDE driver), ide-probe-mod (Linux IDE probe driver), ide-detect (Linux IDE detection), ide-floppy (Linux IDE floppy)
[11:36] <jats> (expert mode install)
[11:37] <ogra> no idea....
[11:38] <ogra> missing modules...
[11:38] <jats> "missing linux ide driver" doesn't sound all that good :)
[11:38] <Pozac> hmmm
[11:38] <ogra> jats: can you modprobe them ?
[11:39] <jats> i'm starting to think there's something wrong with this damn thinkpad :)
[11:39] <spacey`ki> if you have a local network with ubuntu workstations. and you want to maintain/update them remotely etc. is there a tool to do this on somewhat larger scale?
[11:40] <ogra> jats: does modprobe ide-mod give errors ?
[11:40] <jats> yep, FATAL: Module ide_mod not found.
[11:40] <ogra> jats: could be the cause for the partitioner issue
[11:40] <ogra> jats: no disk no fun....
[11:40] <jats> :>
[11:41] <jats> yep
[11:41] <Pozac> spacey`ki, cron?
[11:41] <jats> but i can enable the swap
[11:41] <Pozac> spacey`ki, like a daily apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[11:41] <jats> and it seems to work
[11:41] <jats> so...
[11:41] <Pozac> spacey`ki, or do you want like a one-terminal-for-all-workstations tool?
[11:41] <Crane> ok I'm back
[11:42] <Crane> tried fsck and still no luck
[11:42] <jats> what if I'd grab another beer, maybe it would make the installation easier?-)
[11:42] <ogra> jats: sounds good :)
[11:42] <Crane> that swhat I need
[11:42] <spacey`ki> never heard of one terminal for all workstations tool. but i would like some too to easily check which machines are online and if they are OK. and if possible check which software versions they are running. and if wanted run an update and upgrade
[11:42] <DigiKill> weeeee....thats highly annoying...
[11:43] <ogra> Crane: didnt fsck correct the errors ?
[11:43] <Pozac> spacey`ki, I would set them to update daily via cron
[11:44] <spacey`ki> hmz
[11:45] <Pozac> and ping to check if they're ok
[11:45] <Pozac> I've never done such a thing, you could try looking at http://freshmeat.net
[11:45] <Crane> nope
[11:45] <DigiKill> SMP Kernel Question : i perform a  "cat /proc/cpuinfo" and get only 1 processor listed.....tho i have the 2.6 image/headers marked as installed...have rebooted Twice.....any thoughts?
[11:45] <spacey`ki> maybe i can use nagios or something
[11:46] <Crane> I tried everything
[11:46] <Pozac> yeah
[11:46] <Crane> gonna try another distro to see if I have the same frobs
[11:46] <Pozac> it's in the universe repository
[11:47] <Crane> could the partittion be mounted after the istall is complete?
[11:47] <ogra> DigiKill: mind to post your cat /proc/cpuinfo output to #flood ?
[11:47] <ogra> Crane:  sure
[11:47] <jats> hmhm
[11:48] <Crane> maybe I could finish install the change fstab to mount the patition in /usr/local/games
[11:48] <DigiKill> ogra: sure...one sec
[11:48] <ogra> Crane: yep
[11:48] <jats> i wonder if there's something wrong with the cd-rom drive
[11:48] <ogra> Crane: or /mnt/games
[11:48] <jats> and that's the reason it can't find some modules
[11:48] <jats> and that's the reason it can't start the partitioner
[11:49] <jats> can ubuntu be easily installed from a usb hard drive or usb cdrom?
[11:49] <jats> i could try that tomorrow, borrow one of those from work
[11:49] <Pozac> usb cdrom perhaps
[11:50] <Pozac> not sure though
[11:50] <ogra> DigiKill: sorry, no idea ..... should work me thinks
[11:50] <sivang> hi all, using hoary
[11:50] <jats> hmh, i'll go to sleep
[11:50] <ogra> heh
[11:51] <sivang> what is the current way to go about installing drivers for snd-intl-i810 ?
[11:51] <jats> thanks to everyone who's helped
[11:51] <sivang> I am thinking of maybe installing discover,
[11:51] <spikeb> hoary is quite nice, although still buggy (obviously)
[11:51] <sivang> but then apt-get tells me it would have to remove ubuntu-desktop....
[11:51] <ogra> sivang: you shouldnt do that.... could interfere with hotplug as they do the same
[11:52] <Pozac> sivang, try modprobe snd-intel8x0
[11:52] <DigiKill> ogra: thanx for takin a look at it....i'll get it figured out im sure :S
[11:52] <Pozac> sudo modprobe :)
[11:52] <sivang> ogra: I know, but I used to have them both on sid and they would co exist nicely.
[11:52] <sivang> Pozac: right! how come I didn't think of that ? :)
[11:52] <ogra> DigiKill: if it worked befor, sure.... i'm just not this good in ppc....else i probably could have had a good guess or such
[11:53] <ogra> sivang: is the sid version as integrated as in ubuntu ?
[11:53] <esher>  hmm, my x-console cannot display umlauts correctly, any idea ?
[11:53] <Pozac> sivang, if you uncomment the bash-completion parts of either your ~/.bashrc or /etc/bash.bashrc you can tab-complete the arguments to modprobe?
[11:54] <Pozac> eh minus the ?
[11:54] <ogra> esher: set the locale right ?
[11:54] <crimsun> Pozac: yes, after rehashing ~/.bshrc
[11:54] <crimsun> ~/.bashrc rather
[11:54] <esher> jo
[11:54] <DigiKill> ogra: its rough when i get 3 diff. Choices w. kernels and headers....lol....power3 / power4 / and powerpc :S
[11:54] <Pozac> crimsun, right :)
[11:54] <esher> in other apps, like xchat or xterm, it works
[11:54] <ogra> DigiKill: power4 is confusingly for G5
[11:55] <ogra> DigiKill: powerpc should be the right one for you
[11:55] <DigiKill> ogra: thats what i was using...gonna try the Power4 this time
[11:55] <ogra> esher: on warty or hoary ?
[11:55] <esher> warty
[11:55] <esher> i mean
[11:55] <esher> downloaded iso 10/04
[11:55] <ogra> DigiKill: uuh, no  i dont think this works
[11:56] <kayali> hi there
[11:56] <Pozac> hi
[11:56] <usual> hi
[11:56] <ogra> esher: yep got the same here on ths machine, but i switched it to utf8
[11:56] <ogra> esher: no probs so far
[11:56] <usual> what exactly is the big deal about utf 8
[11:57] <Pozac> two bytes per char
[11:57] <ogra> usual: it supports all languages
[11:57] <Pozac> roughly
[11:57] <usual> oh
[11:57] <esher> how can i do this
[11:57] <stuNNed> it is _universal_ ?
[11:57] <ogra> Pozac: three for some :)
[11:57] <esher> simple :D
[11:57] <Pozac> ogra, oh my
[11:57] <Pozac> ogra, do I just use da_DK_utf8 or what?
[11:57] <ogra> esher: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[11:57] <ogra> Pozac: yep
[11:58] <submax> is there an italian user?????
[11:59] <ogra> submax: tried #ubuntu-it ?
[11:59] <submax> ok thank you!!!