[12:00] <esher> ogra: thx
[12:01] <ogra> esher: youre welcome :)
[12:01] <esher> ;D
[12:01] <kayali> anyone noticed how sstrange openoffice from hoary looks like?
[12:01] <esher> hmm, better i switch to english console style, how fix this ? df -h Groesse soll sein Size :)
[12:01] <DigiKill> off for the reboot again...lets see what happens
[12:02] <ogra> esher: hey du bist deutsch :)
[12:02] <ogra> esher: export LC_ALL=C && df -h
[12:03] <Crane> ok I just didn't mount it at this time
[12:03] <Crane> :/
[12:04] <esher> oki tnx :)
[12:04] <ogra> esher: gruss aus der eifel ;)
[12:05] <dseomn> ogra de fenestra eiecitur
[12:05] <ogra> dseomn: huh ? what lang is this ?
[12:06] <dseomn> ogra: latin
[12:06] <lek> lol
[12:06] <Pozac> uh-oh
[12:06] <ogra> de fenestra i can get.... but what is eiecitur ?
[12:06] <ogra> dseomn: i had french at school and thats looooon ago
[12:06] <ogra> +g
[12:07] <dseomn> ogra: trans: ogra was thrown out the window (think defenestration of Prague)
[12:07] <ogra> dseomn: at my school we had only one lang beside english.....
[12:07] <ogra> ahhh, yep
[12:08] <tiago> hi there, I installed hcf linuxant driver to my modem and after that I get a process called khcfpcid/modem with priority -20 and 99% of cpu, anyone has idea what happend?
[12:08] <ogra> franz ferdinand *g*
[12:08] <elvirolo> hi all
[12:09] <sivang> Pozac: yes!! that's SO cool!
[12:09] <elvirolo> is there a clanlib 0.7 package around for Hoary?
[12:09] <Pozac> sivang, it is :) it works everywhere :)
[12:11] <elvirolo> NO IDEA ANYONE?
[12:11] <elvirolo> oups
[12:11] <elvirolo> sorry for the caps
[12:12] <esher> ogra: gruesse aus berlin :)
[12:12] <ogra> :)
[12:12] <DonL> Not me, elvirolo. I've just started using Warty myself. Happy with it though
[12:12] <elvirolo> DonL, ok thanks anyway :)
[12:12] <DonL> ...except for getting the printer working.
[12:12] <elvirolo> what's your printer?
[12:13] <DonL> It's a Canon BJC-4000 attached to a computer running XP
[12:13] <Crane> ok I got system installed and ran at-get update
[12:13] <Crane> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:13] <DonL> Used to work under Fedora and Mandrake
[12:13] <Crane> but there was another command for the nvidia drivers
[12:13] <crimsun> elvirolo: no, not yet.
[12:13] <Crane> ?
[12:13] <ogra> Crane: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:13] <DonL> but I don't want to go back to KDE
[12:13] <Crane> thats it thanks
[12:14] <ogra> Crane: then reboot
[12:14] <crimsun> elvirolo: 0.7.0 has not been built on Sid yet, either.
[12:14] <crimsun> 0.6.5-1-2.2 is the latest.
[12:14] <elvirolo> ah, ok, thanks a lot crimsun
[12:15] <ogra> DonL: hast the win box ipp sharing enabled ?
[12:15] <ogra> Pozac: night
[12:15] <DonL> ogra, how do I know? How can I tell?
[12:15] <Pozac> sleep tight, ogra
[12:15] <DonL> Ah. I think I know. The printer has been told to share itself.
[12:15] <ogra> DonL: no idea about win, but it should be in the printer settings anywhere
[12:16] <Kleggas> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[12:16] <Kleggas> See `config.log' for more details.
[12:16] <Kleggas> whats wrong?
[12:16] <elvirolo> crimsun, strange, i don't seem to be able to build clanlib by myself, make fals
[12:16] <ogra> DonL: but the question is does it use ipp...
[12:16] <elvirolo> fails*
[12:16] <crimsun> Kleggas: is 'build-essential' installed?
[12:16] <Kleggas> every c++ program says that
[12:16] <Kleggas> crimsun: yes
[12:16] <ogra> DonL: if yes, you only have to enable browsing in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[12:16] <DonL> I don't know. It's old. Maybe it's lpt
[12:16] <crimsun> Kleggas: did you upgrade recently?
[12:17] <crimsun> Kleggas: are you running amd64?
[12:17] <Kleggas> crimsun: fresh installation, 5 times
[12:17] <Kleggas> no
[12:17] <Kleggas> I tried cpp-2.95 too, didnt work
[12:17] <ogra> Kleggas: build-essential is installed ?
[12:17] <Kleggas> ogra: yes
[12:17] <crimsun> Kleggas: fresh installation of Warty?
[12:17] <Kleggas> crimsun: yes
[12:18] <Kleggas> fresh installation and apt-get'ed for build-essential
[12:18] <DonL> I'll check that out, ogra
[12:18] <crimsun> Kleggas: that's created by the 'cpp' package
[12:18] <crimsun> Kleggas: sudo apt-get --reinstall install cpp
[12:18] <ogra> DonL: i dunno from which version the ipp support for win started.... but i think with 2000
[12:19] <mkrubel> Hi!  I'm wondering why Evolution 2.0.2 doesn't render some x-hmtl messages.  Has anyone else noticed this?
[12:19] <usual> red ubuntu! http://www.jraleigh.com/~usual/shot.png
[12:19] <ogra> Kleggas: build-essential normally contains a working cpp environment...thats weird
[12:20] <garrett> hi all
[12:20] <usual> hi
[12:20] <Kleggas> crimsun: wow, I did the --reinstall install cpp and now it works, thanx :)
[12:20] <crimsun> Kleggas: np
[12:22] <ogra> crimsun: does installing cpp-2.95 break the cpp-3.3 setup ?
[12:22] <dseomn> ogra: it shouldn't, they use dpkg-divert
[12:22] <ogra> then i wonder what was wrong there
[12:22] <crimsun> I have a feeling he tried to do something non-dpkg related
[12:23] <garrett> so my brother wanted Linux on his computer; I installed Ubuntu on some free space on a second hard drive
[12:23] <crimsun> perhaps manually mucked with the /lib/cpp symlink
[12:23] <ogra> yep, that would explain it at least
[12:23] <spikeb> bah
[12:23] <garrett> unfortunately, grub comes up with "error 2" and his WinXP partition seems corrupted
[12:23] <garrett> so nothing boots; nothing works
[12:23] <spikeb> i need to find a small, inexpensive, not metal case
[12:23] <DonL> ogra, I just looked at cupsd.conf. Looks like everything is turned off or commented
[12:23] <garrett> well, except the livecd
[12:24] <garrett> since that worked, I figured that things should work fine
[12:24] <garrett> any suggestions?
[12:24] <TheCan> hi
[12:24] <garrett> it's on an emachines amd athlon xp
[12:24] <Crane> Booya!!!
[12:24] <Crane> hello from my new install
[12:24] <ogra> DonL: there is an option "Browsing Off" change it to "Browsing On"
[12:24] <Crane> :)
[12:24] <garrett> not that that would make much difference, I would think
[12:24] <TheCan> anyone with atheros (madwifi) card for whom works: access point scanning and/or software suspend with madwifi drivers loaded?
[12:24] <Crane> Thanks for all the help
[12:25] <spikeb> pefect, found what i was after already
[12:25] <DonL> I thought that referred to sharing a local printer with the network, instead of using a network printer hooked up to another computer, ogra
[12:26] <DonL> I'll make that change.
[12:26] <ogra> garrett: there is a linux bug... see here how to fix it, it affects many distros.....http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/
[12:27] <izmaelis> hi every1
[12:27] <garrett> ogra: would it cause me from not booting Linux as well?
[12:27] <Crane> hello
[12:27] <izmaelis> I have a problem with totem playing sounds
[12:28] <izmaelis> actually I can't hear any
[12:28] <izmaelis> maybe it's a prob of esd?
[12:28] <Crane> OK adding hda5 to fstab, what options should be set to allow user <me> to read/write to it
[12:28] <usual> ooo anyone with a gmail account, I recommend apt-get installing mail-notification
[12:29] <ogra> garrett: look at the article, i'm not using windows..... but heard about the prob .....
[12:29] <garrett> well, I don't think that's the error
[12:29] <garrett> it won't even load grub fully
[12:29] <garrett> I get "error 2" at grub stage 1.5
[12:30] <garrett> haven't found that on google yet
[12:30] <ogra> garrett: it says that the geometry of the boot disk isnt detected correctly....so it wouldnt boot anything...but anyway....
[12:30] <garrett> ah ok
[12:31] <izmaelis> should I change enything in gstreamer-properties?
[12:31] <garrett> "This
[12:31] <garrett> change may cause Windows boot failure. "
[12:31] <garrett> but it's not just Windows failing to boot
[12:31] <garrett> it's Ubuntu too
[12:32] <Crane> is rw,user sound right
[12:32] <Crane> for mountinf options?
[12:32] <catdog> usual: which depository and/or release is that from?
[12:32] <Crane> mounting
[12:32] <garrett> and I cannot load the main ntfs partition when I boot with the Ubuntu livecd
[12:32] <garrett> although I can mount some other ntfs partitions just fine
[12:32] <catdog> s/de/re
[12:32] <usual> catdog, the one that follows debian unstable, I forget wich
[12:32] <usual> I use hoary
[12:32] <spikeb> found the case i want. :)
[12:33] <catdog> usual: thanks
[12:33] <usual> catdog, np
[12:33] <EfaistOs> does someone had the message no supported mode ?
[12:33] <EfaistOs> during the boot
[12:34] <xart> hello room
[12:34] <usual> hi
[12:35] <will> hi
[12:35] <xart> I newbie to Ubantu linux
[12:35] <will> Ubuntu
[12:36] <DigiKill> ogra: ...you still here lurking?
[12:36] <ogra> DigiKill: busy...phone....
[12:36] <DigiKill> ahh...kk
[12:36] <Blackwell> xart: how did you manage to join this channel? :)
[12:36] <will> ogra: :)
[12:36] <EfaistOs> i installed an ubuntu on a computer with a 19" monitor and i gave it to my friend but he's got a 17" monitor and when his computer boots he got a message that says "no supported mode" and should i have an acces to a console anyway or not ?
[12:36] <will> Blackwell: /join #ubuntu !
[12:37] <spikeb> EfaistOs, yeah - press control alt f1
[12:37] <xart> installing fedroa core 3 on one pc right now and down loading yellow dog 4 for my imac dv
[12:37] <spikeb> EfaistOs, that'll get you a console
[12:37] <usual> will, he was making fun of his typo
[12:37] <EfaistOs> spikeb, i know but he's not under X
[12:37] <DigiKill> xart: YDL?  try the PPC version of Debian or Ubuntu first man...
[12:37] <will> thats true
[12:37] <spikeb> i would try ubuntu ppc
[12:37] <spikeb> NOT debian ppc though
[12:37] <spikeb> bleck heh
[12:37] <kayali> ubuntu ppc just works :)
[12:37] <stuNNed> anyone know of the link to get java 1.5 working in ubuntu?
[12:37] <spikeb> have had way too many problems with it
[12:38] <crimsun> stuNNed: on the wiki.
[12:38] <EfaistOs> spikeb, ??
[12:38] <EfaistOs> spikeb, no idea ?
[12:38] <spikeb> EfaistOs, nope
[12:38] <Blackwell> EfaistOs: how does that message appear? is it a message "from" the monitor? monitors can do that, telling you that you chose an unsupported mode.
[12:38] <xart> ok I down loading the live for i386 to try it out
[12:38] <spikeb> EfaistOs, i only had one idea and that was it
[12:38] <DigiKill> lol spikeb.....you're on Debian based distro right now :P
[12:38] <stuNNed> crimsun, roger that :)
[12:38] <spikeb> DigiKill, nothing wrong with debian - but their ppc releases can suck
[12:39] <spikeb> :)
[12:39] <spikeb> DigiKill, and yes, i know :P
[12:39] <DigiKill> hehee
[12:39] <xart> just had a quick question about live for i386
[12:39] <DigiKill> i was gonna install debian ppc on a G3 when i get the cash together to get one
[12:39] <EfaistOs> Blackwell, it's apparently a red message
[12:39] <spikeb> i've started hating livecds
[12:39] <EfaistOs> maybe the monitor in fact ...
[12:40] <kayali> the only gripe I have with ubuntu is that it seems too picky about software license... how come we get no mp3 support out of the box? it's so strange ;)
[12:40] <crimsun> kayali: Free as in speech
[12:40] <spikeb> eh
[12:40] <crimsun> kayali: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:40] <spikeb> it's irritating, but not fatal
[12:40] <mjr> kayali, complain to frauenhof
[12:40] <EfaistOs> Blackwell but should'nt i have a console anyway ? even if X is not configured well ?
[12:40] <crimsun> kayali: and/or 'w32codecs'
[12:40] <kayali> crimsun: I'm on ppc, I'll get gstreamer-mad
[12:40] <crimsun> kayali: or just install 'totem-xine' or 'vlc'
[12:41] <Blackwell> EfaistOs: ubuntu defaults to X11. switching to a console should be possible though.
[12:41] <spikeb> totem-xine needs the codecs
[12:41] <xart> I use knoppix live at work it see what ms products wont
[12:41] <ogra> spikeb: nope
[12:41] <EfaistOs> Blackwell, i know ... but what if it cant start X  ?
[12:41] <spikeb> im thinking of movies
[12:41] <spikeb> not music
[12:41] <Blackwell> xart: you might want to ask that question.
[12:42] <ogra> spikeb: it uses them if they are there but doesnt need them
[12:42] <Blackwell> EfaistOs: oh, eh, well, then it should display a respective message on virtual console 7 and allow you to switch consoles anyway. using alt-f key then.
[12:42] <kayali> they say universe is totally unsupported, but you still need it just to play mp3s... ugly ;)
[12:42] <spikeb> ogra, aye.
[12:42] <xart> will Ubuntu see an ntfs partion and can it write to ntfs
[12:42] <spikeb> kayali, luckily enough, gstreamer-mad works
[12:42] <will> xart: can see, but no writing
[12:43] <spikeb> at least for this release
[12:43] <spikeb> heh
[12:43] <DigiKill> time to watch a movie....yeah!....
[12:43] <Blackwell> xart: it can write when you add support for that to your ubuntu installation. the live cd won't support that i guess.
[12:43] <DigiKill> hasta....
[12:43] <spikeb> ciao
[12:43] <DonL> spikeb, which release are you using?
[12:43] <spikeb> DonL, warty
[12:43] <EfaistOs> Blackwell, that's what i thought too ... but at the other end of line i've got a non unix user ...
[12:43] <kayali> so I guess I'll also need universe to watch dvds?
[12:43] <DonL> Ahh. Me too
[12:43] <Blackwell> EfaistOs: but again, to me it seems rather that the monitor tells you that you guys chose a mode that it does not support rather than x11 not starting.
[12:43] <spikeb> kayali, you'll need more than universe to watch encrypted dvds.
[12:44] <usual> too bad gstreamer can't watch dvd's
[12:44] <Blackwell> EfaistOs: but, in any case either alt-f or ctrl-alt-f key combinations should get you to the other consoles.
[12:44] <kayali> it'd need a libdvdcss plugin
[12:44] <fievel> hi
[12:45] <xart> thanks that was my question
[12:45] <xart> I m out
[12:45] <fievel> how can i modify sudo configuration for prompting for root password before executing any root command ?
[12:45] <DonL> I need a DVD player/burner. My wife got me a Linux Format for Christmas with a dvd coverdisk and I can't use it
[12:45] <kayali> fievel: sudo won't do that
[12:46] <optimized> can anyone tell em an easy way to burn a file to a CD using Ubuntu?  preferably form the command line?
[12:46] <fievel> how can i do for forcing ubuntu or gnome to prompt for the root password so
[12:46] <fievel> i don't wan't my users to do what they wan't on my system
[12:47] <kayali> fievel: your users won't be able to use sudo anyway
[12:47] <usual> how did this guy get that ubuntu logo into his menu
[12:47] <decklin> fievel: root does not have a password. you cant login as root.
[12:47] <usual> http://files.subpop.net/daily-ss.jpg
[12:47] <cygnusx> Who can help me
[12:47] <fievel> i set up a root password
[12:47] <Blackwell> fievel: what root-only functionality can normal users access via sudo?
[12:47] <cygnusx> with my wireless MSI lan usb stick
[12:47] <kayali> cygnusx: depends on what your problem is
[12:47] <optimized> can anyone tell em an easy way to burn a file to a CD using Ubuntu?  preferably form the command line?
[12:47] <fievel> root shell
[12:47] <fievel> without any password prompt
[12:47] <ogra> fievel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:48] <fgubuntu> cdrecord
[12:48] <kayali> fievel: normal users can't sudo ;)
[12:48] <Blackwell> fievel: how do you get a root shell?
[12:48] <fgubuntu> optimized: cdrecord
[12:48] <cygnusx> so who can help me?
[12:48] <optimized> ok, any other cammands after??
[12:49] <cygnusx> i think i need to emulate the usb stick as a pci device, so i can use ndiswrapper with it?
[12:49] <ogra> fievel: a root account is less safe then sudo
[12:49] <optimized> can you give me a quick example
[12:49] <optimized> like burning a file from usr/local
[12:49] <kayali> optimized: man mkisofs && man cdrecord ;)
[12:49] <optimized> to my cdrecorder
[12:49] <socomm> Is gnome-desktop-environment broken?
[12:49] <zim> help
[12:49] <ogra> socomm: not here
[12:49] <kayali> optimized: but it'd be simpler to use nautilus
[12:49] <fgubuntu> optimized: u have to specify some optinos like --speed and --dev, u can obtain all infos from: man cdrecord
[12:50] <socomm> Talking hoary herek, I get E: Broken package.
[12:50] <socomm> s/herek/here
[12:50] <ogra> optimized: why dont you use nautilus ?
[12:50] <crimsun> socomm: probably its dependencies have moved, and it hasn't been rebuilt with the debian/control file updated
[12:50] <ogra> socomm: i updated my hoary ths afternoon, no errors here.....
[12:50] <BxCx> Anyone have mono?
[12:50] <zim> just installed ubuntu it fount my wireless network card for the install but it wont work now whats up
[12:50] <usual> I tried a nice gtk2 frontend to cdrecord the other day called graveman, but it doesn't see my burned because of 2.6 not using ide-scsi anymore
[12:51] <usual> BxCx, I hope not
[12:51] <crimsun> BxCx: Mono JIT compiler version 1.0.4
[12:51] <socomm> crimsun: I see, thanks.
[12:51] <cygnusx> heeeeeeeeeeelooo, who can help me!!!!
[12:51] <BxCx> crimsun: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MonoDevelopmentHowto <--- I've read and don't work
[12:51] <kayali> I'm currently downloading the 450 megs to hoary... hope it all goes well...
[12:51] <fievel> and if i wan't a normal unix usage of root, i cannot ?
[12:51] <crimsun> fievel: sudo -s
[12:52] <spikeb> sure you can
[12:52] <BxCx> crimsun: how install mono?
[12:52] <dseomn> cygnusx: ask your question first
[12:52] <ogra> usual: you could test my tool for audio burning, if your writer doesnt need extra options it could work
[12:52] <cygnusx> i did, severval times
[12:52] <fievel> no
[12:52] <fievel> without sudo
[12:52] <dseomn> cygnusx: sry
[12:52] <usual> ogra, url again?
[12:52] <fievel> with su
[12:52] <cygnusx> Quote:  i think i need to emulate the usb stick as a pci device, so i can use ndiswrapper with it?
[12:52] <kayali> fievel: 'sudo passwd' will let you set a password for root
[12:52] <fievel> i've done it
[12:52] <zim> anyone in here use an intell 2200 wirless card
[12:52] <crimsun> fievel: first, sudo -s, then set a password, then log out and back in as root. Or do what kayali suggested.
[12:52] <ogra> usual: http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/ , the instructions for my repo are on http://www.grawert.net/software/
[12:53] <fgubuntu> anyone using firefox1.0 here?
[12:53] <ogra> usual: it works for about 50% of the testers so far
[12:53] <zim> yup
[12:53] <Blackwell> fievel: change access rights to the sudo binary? is that what you want perhaps?
[12:53] <sladen> crimsun: or just use sudo and stop trying to break things
[12:53] <Nivlem> ogra: There has to be something I have missed, or that is not covered in the Wiki for NFS...I have booted into UbuntuPPC on my Mac...now I get a connection refused which is supposed to be related to not having the client in hosts/hosts.allow...RPC connection refused
[12:53] <zim> firefox 1.0o here
[12:53] <cygnusx> and still, noone replys...
[12:54] <fievel> but i don't want to allow the usage of sudo and i want the system to prompt for root password when executing synaptics and so on
[12:54] <DonL> cygnusx, sorry, I don't know
[12:54] <ogra> Nivlem: you are sure you restarted portmap on the server ?
[12:54] <crimsun> sladen: obviously. Of course I come from the OpenBSD school of sudo usage; it's fievel that prefers otherwise.
[12:54] <fgubuntu> hey zim
[12:54] <bob2> fievel: why?
[12:54] <sladen> crimsun:  I don't know whether you "need to emulate the usb stick as a pci device, so i can use ndiswrapper with it?"
[12:54] <kayali> fievel: do you understand that only YOU can sudo? normal users are not able to use sudo for anything...
[12:54] <Nivlem> ogra: Again even..
[12:54] <zim> hey
[12:54] <zim> what upo
[12:54] <crimsun> sladen: huh?
[12:54] <zim> whats up
[12:54] <fgubuntu> i have ff1.0 in ubuntu and fedora.
[12:54] <Blackwell> fievel: have you even tried this with a normal user?
[12:54] <ogra> Nivlem: weird, works perfect here
[12:55] <fgubuntu> the problem is: in ubuntu the font sucks
[12:55] <Nivlem> ogra:I am logged into both computers with the same user name as well..although I used the insecure option in exports
[12:55] <fgubuntu> i have lcd
[12:55] <ogra> fievel: there is only one user  allowed to use sudo
[12:55] <fievel> ok
[12:55] <fievel> but so why don't call this user root
[12:55] <zim> i run it on suse fedora winshit and now i am trying umbuntu
[12:55] <blocka> i just installed ubuntu and i ran apt-get update after that i tryed installing nmap and nessus it said it couldn't find the packages
[12:56] <fievel> and create normal users to work
[12:56] <blocka> is there a config file i have to edit? do you know?
[12:56] <sladen> fievel: because you're not root when you don't need to be!
[12:56] <ogra> Nivlem: thats in my exports on the server: /mnt/hda2       192.168.100.0/16(rw,sync)
[12:56] <usual> ogra, no luck
[12:56] <fgubuntu> do you have probs with ubuntu?
[12:56] <zim> yup
[12:56] <usual> ogra, doesn't seem to see my burner
[12:56] <ogra> fievel: did you actually read the url i gave you before ?
[12:56] <fievel> yes
[12:56] <sladen> fievel: and when you add and remove specific permissions from a user do you expect to go around renaming them
[12:56] <ogra> usual: sad :(
[12:56] <DonL> Did you get extra repositories, blocka?
[12:56] <usual> :(
[12:57] <zim> my wireless worked on the install but stoped working after the reboot
[12:57] <zim> what happened
[12:57] <fievel> if i have a privileged account which i can do everything as root if i want, i will not use it everyday
[12:57] <sladen> fievel: ''Hello Mr Smith, you've been demoted from Sysadmin to a mere user, so I'm sorry but you'll have to change your name by depol
[12:57] <BxCx> crimsun: how can install mono and monodevelop in ubuntu?
[12:57] <kayali> fievel: I don't understand what you want...
[12:58] <fgubuntu> maybe wlan0 is not well configured
[12:58] <fgubuntu> try sudo ifup wlan0
[12:58] <ogra> usual: probably the next version.....but i'm busy with other things currently so this will have to wait
[12:58] <Quenyar> anyone know how to install real player?  Do you just run the installer from Real or is there a better way?
[12:58] <zim> anyone using a centreno intel 2200 wireless card ??
[12:58] <fievel> i don't want to use an account which can allow someone to do everything on the computer
[12:58] <usual> ogra, ok, keep up the good work
[12:58] <Jaye> hi
[12:59] <fgubuntu> what happen if u do iwconfig
[12:59] <fgubuntu> ?
[12:59] <sladen> Quenyar: grab realplayer from multiverse
[12:59] <ogra> Quenyar: there is a wrapper package in multiverse....
[12:59] <fievel> if i forgot to logout before going drink a coffee or whatever, someone can log as root and delete lib file or other without password prompt
[01:00] <ogra> Quenyar: it requires the .bin file iirc
[01:00] <fievel> and i don't want it
[01:00] <kayali> fievel: you mean that someone has YOUR password?
[01:00] <zim> if you want to remove a user from sudo do this "sudo vi /etc/sudoers and remove there name
[01:00] <ogra> fievel: why , did you tell him your password ?
[01:00] <fievel> i mean that i have a session opened on the computer
[01:00] <ogra> zim: NO
[01:00] <fievel> not locked
[01:00] <zim> sorry
[01:00] <fgubuntu> zim: what about iwconfig?
[01:00] <ogra> zim: never do this
[01:00] <fievel> so no password is required
[01:01] <ogra> zim: there is a special command for it
[01:01] <Jaye> I'm going to try a dual boot.
[01:01] <ogra> zim: called visudo
[01:01] <ogra> zim: :)
[01:01] <kayali> fievel: you're wrong here. sudo will ask for a password.
[01:01] <Jaye> But I've never used this before.  I'm debating this vs redhat.  Anyone got any input?
[01:01] <zim> sorry all ignore all i said this
[01:01] <JStrike> fievel : Dude, they need to password to do anything big!
[01:01] <sladen> zim: that's a way to screw yourself.  Always edit with   visudo:    EDITOR=emacs sudo visudo
[01:01] <fievel> kayali: one time it prompt for a password
[01:01] <sladen> zim: which does locking and sanity/syntax checking
[01:01] <DonL> I've just come from Red Hat, Jaye
[01:01] <fievel> after no password is prompted
[01:02] <zim> cool ty
[01:02] <sladen> fievel: a password is not prompted for again, for 5 minutes
[01:02] <decklin> fievel: so make your timestamps expire sooner.
[01:03] <zim> its not somthing i use that often i passworded root soon after the install
[01:03] <fievel> where can i change it ?
[01:03] <sladen> fievel: sudo visudo
[01:04] <zim> anyway back to iwconfig
[01:04] <sladen> fievel: and set timestamp_timeout=1
[01:04] <sladen> fievel: see   man sudoesr
[01:04] <sladen> fievel: see   man sudoers
[01:04] <Jaye> So how is this one compared to redhat?
[01:04] <zim> i have tryed that but it cant find the hardware
[01:04] <ogra> Jaye: try it
[01:05] <DonL> I love this one. I think I'll keep it.
[01:05] <kayali> redhat? what's that?
[01:05] <DonL> I intalled Fedora 3 after using 2, and it was severely broken
[01:05] <fievel> rootpw      If set, sudo will prompt for the root password instead of
[01:05] <fievel>                    the password of the invoking user.  This flag is off by
[01:05] <fievel>                    default.
[01:05] <fievel> it's possible
[01:05] <sladen> *shudder*
[01:06] <fievel> why do you tell me not ?
[01:06] <ogra> uhh
[01:06] <Jaye> I will try it I suppose
[01:06] <Jaye> crap
[01:06] <Jaye> which do I need with an AMD Duron?
[01:06] <Jaye> x86 or AMD64?
[01:06] <spikeb> jabra, x86
[01:06] <Quenyar> when I run the package, I am instructed to go to a URL and download rp8_linux20_libc6_i386_cs2_rpm, however when I got to the site, it downloads RealPlayer10GOLD.rpm
[01:06] <DonL> Then I read about Ubuntu and decided it was worth a try, not having a functioning system at the time
[01:06] <zim> i am probably wrong again but i did "sudo passwd root"
[01:06] <Jaye> cool
[01:07] <ogra> fievel: why do you implicitly break a good security model ?
[01:07] <spikeb> Jaye, amd64 is a specific platform by itself, anything that's not an athlon 64 from amd uses x86
[01:07] <ogra> want to
[01:07] <Jaye> So how do I run the setup... it doesn't boot from the cd.
[01:07] <spikeb> hm
[01:07] <spikeb> Jaye, have you checked to see if your bios is set to boot from cd?
[01:07] <Jaye> actually forgive me.  I'll rtfm
[01:07] <Jaye> yeah,
[01:07] <spikeb> hm
[01:07] <spikeb> im not sure, maybe the fm has something :)
[01:07] <Jaye> well my notebook is what I initially tried it on... and it's old might not recognize burnt cd's
[01:07] <zim> somthing i do do is have quite a complicated ssh setup
[01:08] <DonL> Jaye, what are you dual booting with?
[01:08] <Earthen> Jaye AMD duron is X86
[01:08] <spikeb> well
[01:08] <Quenyar> ogra:  how do I resolve the difference between the instructions from the multiverse realplay package and what actually happens?
[01:09] <Jaye> ty ty
[01:09] <zim> is anyone using an intel 2200 wireless
[01:09] <Earthen> Jaye:what type of Laptop you got
[01:09] <ogra> Quenyar: find the right realplayer download site for rp8_linux20_libc6_i386_cs2_rpm
[01:09] <Earthen> I couldn't get it too run on my Compaq
[01:10] <ogra> Quenyar: you have to pay for the gold version...thats the wrong one
[01:10] <Jaye> An old satellite pro 440
[01:10] <zim> i have a toshiba a50
[01:10] <DonL> The gold is free I believe, ogra. That's the one I downloade I believe
[01:11] <ogra> DonL: oh, thats news to me
[01:11] <DonL> I think it came up on multiverse
[01:11] <Earthen> ok cool i have the AMD 64 on my desktop but i didn't like the 64 bit version of ubuntu
[01:11] <ogra> DonL: hoary ?
[01:11] <decklin> Quenyar: that package is orphaned and out of date. try helixplayer or run alien on the rpm
[01:11] <DonL> No. Warty
[01:11] <ogra> DonL: nope
[01:12] <ogra> DonL: surely not....at least on i386 and ppc here....
[01:12] <DonL> Well, I'll have to check it out.
[01:12] <DonL> Maybe it was from a repository I picked up somewhere else
[01:12] <ogra> DonL: rather this...
[01:13] <Ribs> Earthen, It needs a lot of work :)
[01:13] <Ribs> unless you don't have a need for any 32-bit applications at all, which is unlikley
[01:13] <DonL> I just checked synaptic, and I didn't get it there apparently!
[01:14] <Earthen> Yeah alot of things don't work yet
[01:14] <Earthen> and i don't know how to compile yet so
[01:15] <Earthen> I think the only thungs that runs 64 bit well so far is Gentoo
[01:15] <Earthen> thing
[01:15] <regeya> okay, here's the weird thing.  If I print to my Epson Stylus R800 from Scribus, I get a print job.  If I print from a GNOME app, the print job magically disappears without ever printing.  Anyone have any ideas of where to look?  I changed cups' logging level to 'debug' and don't really see anything out of the ordinary
[01:15] <Ribs> yeah
[01:16] <Ribs> Hence I switched a couple of week ago to Gentoo
[01:16] <regeya> I also tried rebuilding libgnomecups and reinstalling that way but no go
[01:16] <Earthen> too bad it's so hard to setup
[01:16] <Ribs> Gentoo's 64-bit setup is really nice
[01:16] <Earthen> lol
[01:16] <DonL> ogra, what I have is RealPlayer 10.0.1.436 (gold). At least that's what it reports it is. Sorry I cant remember where I got it now.
[01:17] <Earthen> it's still all command line isn't it
[01:17] <Ribs> Earthen, a lot of it is, yeah
[01:17] <Ribs> but I have Gnome running just fine here
[01:17] <ogra> DonL: probably you converted the rpm with alien
[01:17] <Earthen> when i installed the 332 bit version it ook like 3 days
[01:17] <DonL> I don't think I've ever used alien, because I'm new to debian
[01:18] <Ribs> three days?!
[01:18] <Ribs> ha
[01:18] <Ribs> did it all overnight here
[01:18] <Earthen> yeah to download everything and compile it all
[01:18] <ogra> DonL: hmm, but its definately not a ubuntu package yet
[01:18] <Ribs> well, I have DSL
[01:18] <Earthen> gnome took like 20 hours it self
[01:19] <Earthen> I had cable at the time
[01:19] <Ribs> I just had one virtual term open to fetch, another to compile
[01:19] <DonL> No. I think I did a search and found some unofficial instructions on the internet.
[01:19] <Ribs> the compile term had to wait a few times for my connection to catch up :)
[01:19] <Earthen> now i'm on dial up so i don't even want to think about it
[01:19] <sladen> Earthen: kind of shows the complete pointlessness of Gentoo doesn't it...
[01:19] <Ribs> ouch
[01:19] <Ribs> sladen, Let's not start a flame war
[01:19] <DonL> Ribs, is it worth the compilation time wait?
[01:20] <Ribs> you use what you want to use, I'll use what I want to use.
[01:20] <Ribs> and we'll leave it at that
[01:20] <Earthen> yes i think is was
[01:20] <ogra> Ribs: lets start one, but on #ubuntu-offtopic please
[01:20] <Ribs> DonL, What wait? I was sleeping
[01:20] <Earthen> since when it was done eventhing is copiled for my computer
[01:20] <DonL> haha
[01:20] <Earthen> compiled
[01:20] <Ribs> ogra, I refuse to be roped into a childish arguement. Simple.
[01:20] <Earthen> lol
[01:20] <ogra> and i dont want to know how to compile gentoo
[01:20] <DonL> That's what I've read. It sets itself up for your computer exactly
[01:21] <Earthen> thats the nice thing about it you don't have to learn it it's all auto
[01:21] <Ribs> ogra, ermmm, your point?
[01:21] <DonL> Maybe someday I'll try it, but I'm really happy with what I have now.
[01:21] <ogra> Ribs: this is #ubuntu
[01:21] <Ribs> DonL, I still try distros, even tho I'm happy with what I have. It's nice to use your freedom every now and then
[01:22] <Ribs> ogra, I'm aware of that
[01:22] <ogra> k
[01:22] <DonL> Yes. me too. I have a spare drive I use for kicking around different stuff
[01:22] <Earthen> Yeah i switched to ububtu because it had alot nicer install and it is all setup in like 15 min's
[01:22] <Ribs> and yes, I'm also an Ubuntu user.
[01:22] <Earthen> Ubuntu
[01:22] <Earthen> and just about everything works
[01:23] <Earthen> I'm a tech for  a school and i in the middle of changeing all the computer over to ubuntu and dumping windows
[01:23] <DonL> Here as well. Just have to figure printer out, and ogra has been helping me with that, and how to figure out a floppy problem as well
[01:24] <Earthen> mm i had the floppy proble, with auto mounting
[01:24] <Blackwell> Quenyar: this may sound odd, but i don't use real stuff at all. maybe it is an option for you too. nice side effect would be to save yourself this installation art. :)
[01:24] <Earthen> is that what you are having
[01:25] <Quenyar>  I ran the bin file installer and it worked.  Thanks.  Although it doesn't always work.  Something about media types.  Anyone know how to add/change codecs it works with?
[01:25] <DonL> Well, when I put a floppy in and try to open it, it usually can't because it doesn't recognize the file system or something
[01:26] <Earthen> yeah I had that same problem
[01:26] <Earthen> if you use windows formatted floppies all the time there is an easy fix
[01:26] <ogra> its a weird decision to use the fs type auto in the fstab
[01:26] <DonL> Oh yes?
[01:27] <ogra> DonL: just change auto to vfat in the floppy line in fstab
[01:27] <Earthen> go to root term and type nano /etc/fstad
[01:27] <Earthen> and change the auto to vfat on the line that has floppy on it
[01:27] <Earthen> fstab sorry
[01:29] <Quenyar> Actually, I can play the files I want to from the site I originally wanted to play if I open the page source, copy out the URL, less some following fruit salad and paste it into real player
[01:29] <Quenyar> bye
[01:29] <Earthen> Ogra: do you know why the auto doesn't work?
[01:29] <DonL> Thanks, Earthen, I'll try that
[01:29] <Earthen> no prob
[01:30] <Earthen> I'm a newbi to this too
[01:30] <gloin> I'm having a bit of trouble with cups on hoary... I get a 404 when I try to connect to localhost:631 and kcontrolcenter won't go into administrator mode - I enter root pw and it resets kcontrolcenter
[01:30] <Earthen> but i can share when i do kow
[01:30] <miggumike> i'm home from school. and when i hook my linux box up to my cable modem it doesn't connect to the internet. how can i change my connection settings?
[01:30] <ogra> Earthen: nope.... i would think it should, as it does on normal hdds....(that is probably what the guy that has putten it in there thought)
[01:31] <Earthen> yeah it's funny cause it works on the live cd also on the same computer
[01:31] <ogra> Earthen: but it obviously doesnt work with either fs
[01:31] <Earthen> yeah
[01:31] <Earthen> right now i can't get my hard ware modem to work
[01:32] <Earthen> works fine in fedora core
[01:32] <ogra> Earthen: on a serial port or usb ?
[01:32] <Earthen> ISA
[01:33] <usual> what would I have to open up on my firewall for torrents to come through
[01:33] <Earthen> us robotics
[01:33] <ogra> Earthen: so its a software modem....i guess...do you know which driver fedora used ?
[01:33] <Earthen> it's not sofware
[01:33] <Earthen> software
[01:34] <Earthen> it the gamming modem that they sell
[01:34] <Earthen> no i don't know what fedora used
[01:34] <DonL> ogra, here's the site I found RealPlayer gold at ...http://ubuntuguide.org/
[01:34] <ogra> DonL: grmpf
[01:35] <DonL> Oh. Sorry. Just googled and there it was
[01:35] <ogra> DonL: it obviously helped...
[01:35] <martxel> hi
[01:35] <gloin> arglbargl
[01:35] <martxel> I have problems
[01:35] <DonL> In this case at least
[01:35] <martxel> installing hoary
[01:36] <martxel> i have tried twice to upgrade
[01:36] <ogra> martxel: installing hoary ? or upgrading to it ?
[01:36] <ogra> ah
[01:36] <martxel> upgrading to it
[01:36] <Blackwell> i am wondering...why are so many people trying hoary, which is effectively a horribly unstable variant of warty, isn't it? :)
[01:36] <Earthen> Ubuntu finds it as 56K FaxModem Model 5610
[01:36] <gloin> ogra: been using it for a while
[01:36] <gloin> Blackwell: it's not bad
[01:36] <ogra> Blackwell: it is
[01:36] <crimsun> Blackwell: bleeding_edge-itis
[01:36] <Blackwell> crimsun: ah <nod>
[01:36] <Blackwell> can't help them then. ;)
[01:36] <martxel> first i though it was because of something wrong with my ubuntu
[01:36] <ogra> Earthen: great
[01:37] <martxel> but i have just reinstalled warty
[01:37] <gloin> so
[01:37] <martxel> and i have the same problem
[01:37] <ogra> gloin ?
[01:37] <gloin> can anyone explain why localhost:631 is a 404 page when I'm trying to admin my cups server on hoary?
[01:37] <Earthen> so does that mean it should have the drivers for it
[01:37] <martxel> can anyone help me?
[01:37] <ogra> gloin: its disabled by default
[01:38] <gloin> ogra: ahh, how to enable then?
[01:38] <ogra> martxel: if you tell us a bit more, probably
[01:38] <martxel> after downloading all
[01:38] <martxel> anda after unpacking some packages
[01:38] <martxel> its says
[01:38] <martxel>  /var/cache/apt/archives/gimp-data_2.2.0+rel-2ubuntu1_all.deb
[01:38] <martxel> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:39] <crimsun> martxel: ...Hoary packages on Warty are not recommended.
[01:39] <ogra> gloin: the printer tool in gnome has everything you need, but if you urgently want, add the user cups runs under to the shadow group....and enable the web access in the cups.conf file
[01:39] <martxel> crimsun no
[01:39] <DonL> ogra, sounds like gloin has the same printer problems as me
[01:39] <martxel> i am upgrading
[01:39] <gloin> ogra: the printer tool in gnome segfaults
[01:39] <gloin> actually
[01:39] <martxel> i have done a dist-upgrade
[01:39] <gloin> it just stops responding
[01:39] <crimsun> martxel: paste on pastebin.com
[01:40] <gloin> ogra: kcontrolcenter basically does the same thing as soon as I try to auth to admin mode
[01:40] <martxel> what?
[01:40] <DonL> ...well, maybe not
[01:40] <martxel> i have pasted everything it says
[01:40] <gloin> DonL: what issues do you have?
[01:40] <ogra> gloin: hmm, i hadn no probs so far with 4 different network printers and 3 directly connected ones (1 parallel)
[01:40] <DonL> My system says it's set up, recognizes the printer, names it,
[01:41] <gloin> well
[01:41] <gloin> how do I enable the cups console on localhost:631 then?
[01:41] <martxel> crimsun: if you prefer
[01:41] <ogra> martxel: crimsun means in the future....
[01:41] <DonL> and doesn't print. Something about NT doesn't allow it
[01:41] <martxel> http://www.pastebin.com/133599
[01:41] <gloin> you say it is disabled by default, but I would rather enable it
[01:41] <martxel> ogra ok
[01:41] <ogra> martxel: its netiqiette :)
[01:41] <martxel> sorry?
[01:42] <martxel> what does netiqiette mean?
[01:42] <ogra> martxel: to not post more then 2-34 lines in a channel
[01:42] <ogra> huh
[01:42] <ogra> 2-3
[01:42] <martxel> ok
[01:42] <ogra> martxel: else we have a channel called #flood here
[01:42] <DonL> I didn't know that either.
[01:42] <martxel> ogra ok
[01:42] <martxel> i understand
[01:43] <martxel> i think something is wrong in the repositories
[01:43] <crimsun> martxel: no, I think your cache isn't synced
[01:43] <DonL> Do you mean in a channel window?
[01:43] <gloin> ogra: eh, any idea how to enable this?
[01:43] <martxel> crimsun i have done a apt-get update
[01:44] <crimsun> martxel: 2.2.0+rel-2ubuntu1 of 'gimp-python' is available in 'main'
[01:44] <ogra> DonL: try the /join #flood command to see :)
[01:44] <DonL> Will it kill me?
[01:44] <crimsun> martxel: yet in your paste, note that an older version of 'gimp-python' is about to be installed
[01:44] <martxel> i think i have well the sources.list
[01:44] <ogra> DonL: heh, no
[01:44] <gloin> #flood is useful =] 
[01:45] <martxel> and what can i do?
[01:45] <crimsun> martxel: paste onto pastebin.com the output of `apt-cache policy gimp-python'
[01:45] <DonL> haha. Okay.
[01:46] <miggumike> gloin: you know how i can fix my problem?
[01:46] <gloin> miggumike: don't know what your problem is
[01:46] <ogra> gloin: sudo adduser cupsys shadow
[01:47] <martxel> crimsun: http://www.pastebin.com/133600
[01:47] <ogra> gloin: will be enough
[01:47] <miggumike> i'm home from school. and when i hook my linux box up to my cable modem it doesn't connect to the internet. how can i change my connection settings?"
[01:47] <martxel> it says the installed version and the candidat are the same
[01:47] <gloin> ogra: thx
[01:47] <ogra> gloin: and sudo /etc/init.d/cupysy restart
[01:47] <ogra>  sudo /etc/init.d/cupys restart
[01:48] <gloin> hmm
[01:48] <crimsun> martxel: oh, I apologise, there's nothing wrong with gimp-python.
[01:48] <gloin> still a 404 at localhost:631
[01:48] <gloin> =[
[01:48] <martxel> ok
[01:48] <ogra> gloin: you did restart cups ?
[01:48] <gloin> ogra: yes
[01:48] <crimsun> martxel: would you paste on pastebin.com the output of `sudo dpkg -i  /var/cache/apt/archives/gimp-data_2.2.0+rel-2ubuntu1_all.deb' ?
[01:48] <martxel> crimsun just a moment
[01:49] <DonL> ogra, do you have to reboot when you make a change like that?
[01:49] <ogra> DonL: nope
[01:49] <gloin> bah!
[01:49] <gloin> this is driving me quite mad =[
[01:49] <ogra> gloin: look in flood, i'll post something
[01:50] <gloin> ahh
[01:50] <gloin> I set authtype to None
[01:50] <gloin> to try to debug
[01:50] <gloin> and was already a member of lpadmin
[01:50] <martxel> http://www.pastebin.com/133601
[01:51] <martxel> i dont know if you will understand spanish
[01:51] <martxel> :S
[01:51] <crimsun> un poco
[01:51] <ogra> gloin: was from there: /usr/share/doc/cupsys/README.Debian.gz
[01:52] <martxel> crimsun ok
[01:52] <martxel> it asks me to replace gimprc
[01:52] <crimsun> martxel: that's fine.
[01:52] <crimsun> martxel: now run `sudo apt-get -f install'
[01:52] <martxel> but
[01:53] <martxel> i choose Y N
[01:53] <martxel> ?
[01:53] <martxel> i says it to replace it?
[01:53] <martxel> *say
[01:53] <DonL> ogra, thanks from me as well for the printer hints
[01:53] <crimsun> martxel: say 'N' if you're not sure; if you _know_ you haven't modified it, say 'Y'
[01:53] <martxel> i havent modified it
[01:53] <ogra> DonL: hope it helps, i am not a cups guy
[01:53] <martxel> i have just installed ubuntu 15 minutes ago
[01:54] <crimsun> martxel: it's fine either way.
[01:54] <martxel> ok
[01:54] <ogra> martxel: you know that hoary ua unstable ?
[01:54] <ogra> is
[01:54] <martxel> yes
[01:54] <martxel> i know
[01:54] <ogra> k
[01:54] <gloin> I think the filepath must be screwy for the cups web admin tool
[01:54] <martxel> but i wanted to try it
[01:55] <ogra> martxel: was just the standard warning :)
[01:55] <martxel> ok
[01:55] <DonL> Well, I must go for now. Thanks for all the help.
[01:56] <martxel> crimsun it is installing the other packages
[01:56] <crimsun> martxel: goo.d
[01:56] <crimsun> err good.
[01:57] <martxel> sorry about my english
[01:57] <martxel> its not very good
[01:57] <martxel> as you can see
[01:57] <crimsun> better than my spanish :)p
[01:57] <gloin> think I'm going to try an "unneccessary" reboot and see if I can't free up some of this mess
[01:57] <gloin> man
[01:57] <gloin> when cups goes screwy, it doesn't do it halfway
[01:58] <ogra> heh
[01:58] <crimsun> gloin: at least it doesn't act like it works
[01:58] <gloin> heh
[01:58] <gloin> it sort of is
[01:58] <ogra> gloin: even rms doesnt like it
[01:58] <crimsun> like *cough windows networking*
[01:58] <gloin> I can't bloody unpause the bloody printer
[01:58] <gloin> even after a reboot
[01:58] <gloin> where's the flag I can change
[01:58] <gloin> I cannot auth to the printer from any tool
[01:58] <gloin> =[
[02:00] <ogra> gloin: if you didnt fiddle around in your cups.conf, the things described in the doc should just work
[02:00] <gloin> ahh
[02:00] <gloin> think I found the problem
[02:00] <gloin> in /etc/cups/printers.conf
[02:00] <gloin> suddenly the OS can't see the printer instance
[02:01] <gloin> StateMessage Unable to open USB device "usb://HP/DeskJet%20960C?serial=MY14G121MSRO": No such device
[02:01] <gloin> so why did that happen?
[02:01] <gloin> stupid USB =[
[02:01] <martxel> crimsun
[02:01] <martxel> it has finished
[02:01] <martxel> Cache file created successfully.
[02:01] <ogra> gloin: has the printer a powersave option switched on ?
[02:01] <martxel> it means it has finished successfully?
[02:02] <gloin> ogra: it's a cheap inkjet
[02:02] <gloin> unlikely that it has a powersave option that's user-managed
[02:02] <ogra> gloin: i got a hp3320 usb here, works out of the box
[02:02] <martxel> well
[02:03] <martxel> im going to reboot
[02:03] <martxel> bye
[02:03] <ogra> gloin: a 40 euro printer ....
[02:03] <gloin> yeah
[02:03] <TheCan> Hi i want to get software suspend2 running, what is this linuxrc or init.d file i have to edit?
[02:03] <gloin> this cost about the same three years ago
[02:03] <gloin> in USD...
[02:04] <gloin> brb, rebooting
[02:05] <ogra> TheCan: you cant just edit a file to add a kernel feature
[02:11] <martxel> hi
[02:11] <martxel> crimsun: problems again
[02:11] <martxel> i couldnt start the xserver
[02:11] <martxel> it said there was another one
[02:11] <martxel> so i have removed /tmp/.X0-lock
[02:11] <martxel> and it started
[02:11] <martxel> but that seems to be gnome 2.8
[02:12] <ogra> ?
[02:12] <martxel> mmm
[02:12] <martxel> i tried before ubuntu hoary
[02:12] <martxel> and this isnt hoary
[02:13] <martxel> the menus are the same as warty
[02:13] <crimsun> martxel: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin
[02:13] <martxel> oks
[02:14] <martxel> http://www.pastebin.com/133606
[02:14] <ogra> TheCan: its still experimantal, so use at your own risk: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PMTesting
[02:15] <martxel> do u see something wrong?
[02:15] <ogra> martxel: you can drop the security lines.....there are no security updates for hoary yet.....but thats not an error
[02:16] <martxel> ok
[02:16] <ogra> martxel: else it looks ok
[02:16] <martxel> i dont know what can be wrong
[02:19] <Mojo> Hi, I have an SD card built-in in laptp but I don't know how to get it to work.
[02:19] <martxel> i have done an apt-get update
[02:19] <martxel> anda an apt-get dist-upgrade again
[02:19] <bob2> Mojo: probably not supported yet
[02:19] <martxel> and it seems that some packages are not installed
[02:19] <Mojo> bob2, aww ok
[02:20] <Mojo> is there anyway to try?
[02:20] <ogra> Mojo: do you see it in the device manager ?
[02:20] <bob2> I hear 2.6.10 will possibly support them
[02:20] <Mojo> no
[02:20] <ogra> Mojo: thats bad....
[02:20] <Mojo> where is device manager
[02:20] <ogra> Mojo: so its unlikely....
[02:20] <ogra> Mojo: in the Computer menu
[02:21] <ogra> Mojo: System Tools....
[02:21] <Mojo> I think I found it
[02:21] <Mojo> smartCardBus
[02:21] <ogra> ah
[02:22] <Blackwell> sounds like cardbus to me.
[02:22] <ogra> Mojo: did you already try to simply put an SD in ?
[02:22] <Mojo> not yet GF wont give it to me yet haha one sec
[02:23] <Mojo> ok, I put it in and nothing came up
[02:24] <Setite> hi all
[02:24] <ogra> Mojo: so bob2 may be right....sad
[02:25] <Mojo> aww this sucks
[02:27] <mcthorogood> mojo: do you see the SD in Computer|Disks?
[02:27] <Mojo> no just Finesystem and Cd-Rom1
[02:27] <ogra> mcthorogood: he wont, if it has no fstab entry
[02:28] <Mojo> could there be something in /dev/???
[02:29] <Mojo> ok, how about this I what is I attatch it to a USB slot would that work?
[02:29] <ogra> Mojo: likely....
[02:30] <ogra> Mojo: usb is supported very well.....
[02:30] <ogra> Mojo: and the /dev entry should be seen in the advanced tab in the device manager
[02:30] <Mojo> ok so this might work "/dev/sda1        /mnt/USB         vfat        noauto,user,umask=0     0   0"
[02:31] <ogra> Mojo: if its usb it gets automaounted unless you set something in fstab for it
[02:31] <Mojo> humm I don't have a /dev/sda :S
[02:31] <mcthorogood> Mojo: load the package scsiinfo and use command scsiinfo -l to see scsi devices
[02:32] <Mojo> ok, so if I just plug it in the USB it should work without me editing fstab?
[02:32] <ogra> Mojo: yep...in fact it wont automount if you got something in fstab for it
[02:32] <mcthorogood> mojo: you will also need to make a mount point
[02:33] <Mojo> w00t I just pluged it in and it foundt he PICS sweet
[02:33] <Mojo> I love ubuntu :DD::D
[02:33] <ogra> Mojo: and the sdX approach will cost you nerves, as the device name is dynamically allocated by udev and can change
[02:33] <Mojo> ahh sda is in /media/sda1? why is that?
[02:33] <Mojo> what is udev?
[02:34] <dseomn> Mojo: it manages devices automagically
[02:34] <Mojo> ahh ok
[02:34] <ogra> Mojo: the new approach to show only existing devices in /dev
[02:34] <ogra> not a million entrys
[02:34] <Mojo> oh ok..I think I understand :)
[02:35] <Mojo> this is soo cool :)
[02:37] <Mojo> thanks guys :)
[02:41] <martxel> rebooting
[02:55] <martxel> hi again
[02:55] <martxel> finally
[02:55] <martxel> i have upgraded to hoary
[02:56] <martxel> thank you
[02:58] <jmhodges> hey, anyone anyone else experienced the inability to change one's buddy icon in gaim?
[02:59] <dseomn> jmhodges: what proto? aim?
[03:00] <jmhodges> dseomn: yeah, sorry
[03:00] <jmhodges> dseomn: its saved in my accounts.xml properly, and it appears in my account prefs correctly but wrong in my buddylist/im window and everyone else sees the old one
[03:00] <dseomn> jmhodges: I used to have that problem with 0.80 on windows, but haven't trien since
[03:00] <jmhodges> this is over multiple signins and outs..
[03:00] <jmhodges> dseomn: gah, ok thanks
[03:01] <Setite> hey guys
[03:01] <Setite> quick questions
[03:01] <Setite> can i use reiser4?
[03:01] <jono> hi all
[03:02] <Setite> on a dual boot system
[03:02] <Setite> for the linux partition?
[03:02] <dseomn> Setite: yes, but it's not very stable yet
[03:02] <Setite> oh ok
[03:02] <Setite> well im not sure if its reiser 4
[03:02] <jono> I have upgraded to hoary and seem to have had a few occassions where GNOME has hung - now GNOME only partially boots, I see the panel area, but nothing else - is there a tempory files area where GNOME info is kept?
[03:02] <Setite> i downloaded a partition app
[03:02] <Setite> that has reiserFS
[03:03] <Zotnix> jono, had the same problem.
[03:03] <Zotnix> For a bit.
[03:03] <Setite> is it worth it?
[03:03] <Zotnix> Could try rebooting.
[03:03] <Zotnix> If you haven't
[03:03] <Zotnix> For some reason some processes lock up
[03:03] <jono> I did reboot
[03:03] <dseomn> Setite: if in doubt, use ext3
[03:03] <jono> so it seems like a bug in the packages then
[03:03] <Zotnix> Couldn't kill them or anything. Did you try removing your settings folders and whatnot?
[03:03] <jono> yeah
[03:03] <jono> I will try again
[03:04] <Zotnix> Think there is .gnome, .nautilus, .gconf
[03:04] <Zotnix> .gnome2, .gconfd
[03:04] <Setite> well i read that reiser is faster
[03:04] <Setite> and speed is always welcome
[03:04] <Setite> but it is worht it
[03:04] <Setite> are all reiser versions unstable?
[03:04] <Zotnix> I use ReiserFS
[03:04] <Zotnix> No problem with it.
[03:04] <dseomn> Setite: reiser3 is ok
[03:04] <jono> I will reboot
[03:04] <crimsun> reiser3 should be fine now
[03:04] <jono> cheers
[03:04] <crimsun> it has had several years to calm down
[03:05] <crimsun> v4 is a bit too new imo
[03:05] <Earthen> Ogra you still here
[03:05] <Setite> crimsun... so i can rest easy that reiser 3 will cause no problems
[03:05] <dseomn> Setite: anything could cause problems, so back up anyway
[03:06] <Setite> thanks zotnix... just saw what you said
[03:06] <ogra> Earthen: yep
[03:06] <Zotnix> It DOES eat up some space though
[03:06] <Zotnix> I notice that much... most journalled file systems do.
[03:06] <Setite> oh really?
[03:06] <Setite> is it faster?
[03:06] <Zotnix> I have a 120 GB drive and I have 111 GB after partitioning
[03:07] <Earthen> are you still busy or do you think you could lend me a few moments to hepl with my modem problem
[03:07] <Zotnix> That's with only 500 for swap
[03:07] <dseomn> Zotnix: that's because of th 1024 != 1000 issue
[03:07] <Zotnix> Yeah
[03:07] <Zotnix> 9 gigs is a lot to give up though
[03:07] <Setite> most drives lie from what ive seen
[03:07] <dseomn> Zotnix: that's an advertising problem, you bought a 111G drive
[03:08] <Setite> they'll say 200gigs not factoring the 1024 thing...
[03:08] <dseomn> the journal is usually ~8M
[03:08] <ogra> Earthen: do you have the exact chipset ?
[03:08] <Setite> it will be 1000 times 200 with accurately it should be 1024x200
[03:09] <Earthen> ubuntu detects it as model 5610
[03:10] <Earthen> it's a PCI modem not ISA as i said before
[03:10] <Zotnix> Ah, forgot about tha
[03:10] <Zotnix> t
[03:10] <Zotnix> Thanks dseomn
[03:12] <ogra> Earthen: did you say rockwell or us robotics before ?
[03:12] <jono> what is the package for the ubuntu updates manager?
[03:12] <jono> in hoary
[03:12] <Earthen> US Robotics
[03:15] <Zotnix> Damn that sucks.
[03:15] <Zotnix> When one day I get a TB drive it will be missing a lot of space that I thought I was getting.
[03:16] <Setite> yea it sucks
[03:17] <Setite> like i had a wd caviar 200... but it was damn close
[03:17] <Setite> i had like 120 gigs on one partition... and like 73 on another
[03:18] <Setite> haha... now i think abotu it you got screwed worse than i did if yoru missing 9gigs
[03:18] <Setite> i alway knew those 120gigers wer an odd amount
[03:18] <Setite> nvm
[03:18] <Setite> they follow the original 40gig increment
[03:19] <Setite> ok imma stop talking to myself now
[03:20] <ogra> Earthen: it should sit behind /dev/ttyS3 or /dev/ttyS4
[03:20] <Zotnix> S = (y * 10^9)/2^30  Where S is actual size (that computer reports) and y is what the manufactorer says.
[03:20] <BlacKnight|> gday gday
[03:20] <BlacKnight|> anyone here use k3b?
[03:21] <BlacKnight|> or ide-scsi emulation?
[03:21] <Zotnix> So for me S = (120 * 10^9)/2^30 = 11.75871
[03:21] <Zotnix> oops
[03:21] <dseomn> Zotnix: that is only is you're using G
[03:21] <Zotnix> 111.75871
[03:21] <Zotnix> based on G
[03:21] <dseomn> BlacKnight|: I've used both
[03:22] <BlacKnight|> dseomn: does the stock ubuntu kernel have ide-scsi support?
[03:22] <BlacKnight|> and if so, how do i enable it in grub?
[03:22] <dseomn> I think so
[03:22] <ogra> BlacKnight|: you dont use ide-scsi with linux 2.6 anymore
[03:22] <dseomn> hdx=scsi
[03:22] <ogra> no
[03:22] <BlacKnight|> ogra: ooh, what do you do instead?
[03:23] <BlacKnight|> because k3b isn't recognising my burner as a burner...
[03:23] <ogra> BlacKnight|: dev=/dev/hdX in the cdrecord options
[03:23] <BlacKnight|> it thinks it's just a reader
[03:23] <dseomn> ogra: that's depreciated
[03:23] <dseomn> ogra: you're supposed to use dev=ATAPI:x,x,x
[03:23] <Earthen> I will try it I think i already did but it didn't work
[03:23] <Mojo> Hi, I have another prooblem. when I open totem and go to "Movie > Play Disc" I just get a pop-up. This never happed last night when I was playing another DVD
[03:24] <ogra> dseomn: so whats the new way scsi support for ide devices will get dropped soon from the kernel
[03:24] <ogra> dseomn: ah, ok
[03:24] <bob2> Mojo: have you read the RestrictedFormats wiki page?
[03:24] <BlacKnight|> dseomn: do i just bung that in /etc/cdrecord/cdrecord ?
[03:24] <Mojo> nope, but I haev decss2 installed
[03:24] <ogra> Mojo: from where ?
[03:24] <Mojo> synaptic
[03:25] <dseomn> BlacKnight|: do "cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI:" to find the device
[03:25] <dseomn> BlacKnight|: then put in the cdrecord config file
[03:25] <BlacKnight|> Warning: Using ATA Packet interface.
[03:25] <BlacKnight|> Warning: The related libscg interface code is in pre alpha.
[03:25] <BlacKnight|> Warning: There may be fatal problems.
[03:25] <Mojo> this is annoying because i wanna watch hellboy :)
[03:25] <BlacKnight|> Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second.
[03:25] <bob2> BlacKnight|: please don't paste in here
[03:26] <ogra> Mojo: from which repository ?? thats not a ubuntu package
[03:26] <BlacKnight|> sorry bob
[03:26] <bob2> if you're using a 2.6 kernel with an ide burner, don't play with scanbus
[03:26] <bob2> you already know which device you want to use
[03:26] <BlacKnight|> one last paste! cdrecord: Device or resource busy. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[03:26] <BlacKnight|> bob2: so how the hell do i set it up?
[03:26] <Mojo> I have no clue haha how can I check, I added afew line to my apt.conf :)
[03:26] <ogra> BlacKnight|: paste in #flood next time  :)
[03:26] <BlacKnight|> no probs
[03:26] <bob2> BlacKnight|: ? your cd burner is /dev/hdc, right?
[03:26] <BlacKnight|> 'tis
[03:26] <bob2> there you go
[03:26] <dseomn> Mojo: put you're apt.conf in #flood
[03:27] <bob2> cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso
[03:27] <BlacKnight|> right, but how do i configure k3b to actually USE /dev/hdc
[03:27] <BlacKnight|> yes, well using command line is all well and good.....
[03:27] <Mojo> it from my marillat source
[03:27] <ogra> BlacKnight|: k3bsetup ?
[03:27] <Mojo> ok dseomn
[03:27] <bob2> BlacKnight|: k3b doesn't let you specify the device/
[03:27] <BlacKnight|> ogra: nah, it's onlyfor setting perms
[03:27] <BlacKnight|> bob2: i know, it's giving me the shits..
[03:27] <ogra> BlacKnight|: wierd stuff....
[03:28] <Mojo> dseomn, do I just paste it in there??
[03:28] <Earthen> Ogra If i stop an upgrade will it continue from where it left off when i restart
[03:28] <dseomn> nvm, you know where it's from
[03:28] <ogra> Mojo: in #flood please
[03:28] <Mojo> ok
[03:28] <ogra> Earthen: apt ?
[03:28] <dseomn> Mojo: that's a sources.list
[03:28] <Earthen> yes
[03:28] <ogra> Earthen: sure
[03:29] <Mojo> posted
[03:29] <Mojo> yeah that what I was talking about haha i;m a lil drunk haha
[03:29] <Mojo> my apt.conf is fine..I think haha
[03:29] <ogra> Mojo: drop the marillat stuff, it doesnt work with warty
[03:29] <bob2> Mojo: why do you have marillat's stuff in there 3 times to begin with?
[03:29] <Earthen> ok i only see ttys3 on mine and it doesn't seem to work
[03:29] <Mojo> seems to work fine... why would I drop it?
[03:29] <dseomn> ogra: only use the testing line
[03:29] <ogra> dseomn: no
[03:30] <ogra> dseomn: it doesnt work
[03:30] <Mojo> I dunno I just found it on a site and use dit haha
[03:30] <dseomn> ogra: it wfm
[03:30] <ogra> dseomn: when
[03:30] <dseomn> ogra: today, yesterday, ...
[03:30] <bob2> Mojo: which site?
[03:30] <ogra> dseomn: marillat recompiled with new sarge deps
[03:30] <Mojo> ummm I can't remember haha
[03:30] <ogra> dseomn: which are not in warty
[03:30] <Mojo> I think ubuntuforums
[03:30] <bob2> ouchy
[03:31] <ogra> argh
[03:31] <bob2> people need to be more careful about what they put online
[03:31] <BlacKnight|> right apparently kernel 2.6.8.x can't be used with ubuntu
[03:31] <BlacKnight|> my bad
[03:31] <BlacKnight|> with k3b
[03:31] <Mojo> ok I guess i'll remove all the marillat
[03:31] <ogra> huh ?
[03:31] <vladster> what kernel are they using now?
[03:31] <Mojo> BTW how does dropping them help me fix my dvd playing issue??
[03:32] <ogra> BlacKnight|: how do you come to this conclusion ?
[03:32] <dseomn> without marrillat, where are we supposed to get mplayer from?
[03:32] <BlacKnight|> itr's hidden somewhere on the k3b website
[03:32] <BlacKnight|> does someone have any ideas as to why ubuntu won't recognise any usb devices that i plugin after bootup
[03:32] <ogra> BlacKnight|: there are _lots_ of ubuntu wrty users using k3b
[03:32] <bob2> dseomn: multiverse has it
[03:32] <Mojo> so...how can I play DVDs? my laptop is my only dvd player
[03:32] <BlacKnight|> daniels_: sd reader / camera
[03:32] <dseomn> bob2: thanks
[03:33] <BlacKnight|> ogra: interesting...
[03:33] <BlacKnight|> ogra: do they have problems with ubuntu not recognising their burner as a writer?
[03:33] <ogra> bob2: does it finally work (from multiverse ?) last time i tried it was totally screwed
[03:34] <ogra> BlacKnight|: nope
[03:34] <bob2> don't know
[03:34] <ogra> BlacKnight|: but thats not k3b related
[03:35] <BlacKnight|> isn't it?
[03:36] <Mojo> :s
[03:36] <ogra> BlacKnight|: look in the device manager for your writer...select the advanced tab then.....
[03:36] <jono> hi all
[03:37] <jono> should hoary bugs be posted to the bts?
[03:37] <ogra> BlacKnight|: look for an entry like: storage.cdrom.write_speed
[03:37] <dseomn> jono: yes
[03:37] <jono> gnome keeps hanging
[03:37] <ogra> BlacKnight|: it should not show 0x0 in the end
[03:43] <Mojo> YAY!!!!!!!!!!!! it's fixed haha it now plays in ogle :D:D I dunno why but oh well yahoo
[03:44] <BlacKnight|> ogra: it shows 0x0
[03:44] <Crane> OK it's official
[03:44] <BlacKnight|> oh wait
[03:45] <BlacKnight|> it shows 0x23c0
[03:45] <BlacKnight|> (wrong drive.. heh)
[03:45] <ogra> BlacKnight|: ok,
[03:45] <Crane> I am now a convert
[03:45] <ogra> BlacKnight|: so it is recognized correctly by the kernel
[03:45] <Crane> Not only have I switched OS's
[03:45] <BlacKnight|> rad
[03:45] <ogra> Crane: yay
[03:46] <BlacKnight|> so what's the problem then?
[03:46] <ogra> BlacKnight|: does burning fron nautilus work ?
[03:46] <ogra> from
[03:46] <BlacKnight|> haven't tried it
[03:46] <Crane> I switched from rpm/redhat/fedora based to debian based
[03:46] <Crane> :09
[03:46] <BlacKnight|> can i burn audiocds in nautilus?
[03:46] <Crane> :)
[03:46] <ogra> BlacKnight|: nope
[03:46] <BlacKnight|> humbug
[03:46] <ogra> are you german ?
[03:47] <BlacKnight|> hahah no
[03:47] <ogra> oh, in which other country is humbug used then ?
[03:47] <mcthorogood> aussie
[03:47] <ogra> ah ok
[03:47] <seth_> im getting an error trying to install a .py ...
[03:47] <seth_> :|
[03:47] <bob2> it's even an association here
[03:47] <ogra> funny
[03:48] <Se7h>   File "install.py", line 22, in ?
[03:48] <Se7h>     import distutils.sysconfig
[03:48] <Se7h> ImportError: No module named distutils.sysconfig
[03:48] <Crane> oops
[03:48] <BlacKnight|> imcsk8: good one, but it's not really used much here
[03:48] <BlacKnight|> mcthorogood rather
[03:48] <BlacKnight|> stupid bx
[03:48] <ogra> didnt know we have smth in common
[03:48] <BlacKnight|> you use humbug?
[03:48] <BlacKnight|> i'm just wierd, so i use it... and that too not habitually
[03:48] <ogra> yep, i thougt it is based here
[03:48] <BlacKnight|> i like to vary my expletives
[03:49] <BlacKnight|> far out why does nothing in ubuntu wfm?!
[03:49] <bob2> Se7h: install distutils
[03:49] <BlacKnight|> i'm installing the new ver of k3b
[03:49] <BlacKnight|> i wish i had the energy to make a .deb out of it
[03:49] <bob2> Se7h: python-dev
[03:49] <Kamion> Se7h: hm, how'd you manage that? it's in the core python2.X package
[03:49] <BlacKnight|> it's a pretty easy process right?
[03:49] <Kamion> no it's not in python-dev in Ubuntu
[03:50] <ogra> BlacKnight|: i wrote a little app to burn mp3 or ogg....its still in testing stage and i will not work on it the next months , but some ppl had positive experiences
[03:50] <bob2> hm
[03:50] <Se7h> o.0
[03:50] <Se7h> dev ?
[03:50] <Se7h> or core?
[03:50] <bob2> don't mind me, listen to Kamion
[03:50] <Kamion> although let me check warty
[03:50] <BlacKnight|> and to make matters worse, i spilt water on my cordless keyboard and now it's a bit borked
[03:50] <Kamion> maybe doko only made that change post-warty
[03:50] <BlacKnight|> ogra: what's it called?
[03:51] <Kamion> Se7h: ah, my apologies, for warty bob2 is quite right
[03:51] <ogra> BlacKnight|: you shouldnt mess with non ubuntu stuff if you dont feel safe with it....
[03:51] <bob2> ah
[03:51] <Kamion> damn, I thought we'd fixed that one in warty, that's annoying
[03:51] <Se7h> ah so thats why
[03:51] <Se7h> k
[03:51] <ogra> BlacKnight|: http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/
[03:51] <imka> anyone using gnomemeetin? i wanna know how the soundquality is (or at least what to expect) before i buy a headset
[03:55] <BlacKnight|> ogra: feel safe with what?
[03:55] <BlacKnight|> i'm pretty happy with compiling from source
[03:55] <ogra> BlacKnight|: trying k3b from source
[03:55] <BlacKnight|> i /did/ use mandrake for 4 years
[03:55] <Mojo> Hi I just installed mplayer form the ubuntu universe sources and it wont open :(
[03:55] <bob2> BlacKnight|: how would compiling it from source help?
[03:55] <BlacKnight|> it's a new version
[03:56] <BlacKnight|> 1.11.18 or something
[03:56] <BlacKnight|> as opposed to .12 that is in the universe repositories
[03:56] <ogra> BlacKnight|: for all other ppl k3b seems to work just fine in warty,,,,,
[03:56] <BlacKnight|> bob2: what i DID want to do was build an uninstallable .deb package
[03:56] <BlacKnight|> ogra: yes, well for eveyrone else usb seems to work just fine on their computers
[03:56] <BlacKnight|> i'm thinking i should upgrade my mobo's firmware
[03:57] <ogra> BlacKnight|: true
[03:57] <Mojo> ok mplayer wll not play my dvd :(
[03:57] <BlacKnight|> god i'm really pissed about the water spilling thing
[03:57] <BlacKnight|> now i need to buy a new keyboard
[03:57] <Zotnix> Doesn't the kernel require root to burn CDs (at least affectively?)
[03:57] <bob2> Mojo: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:57] <ogra> Zotnix: nope
[03:58] <Mojo> bob2, i'll read it
[03:58] <ogra> Zotnix: at least not in warty...didnt try burning in hoary yet
[03:58] <mcthorogood> liquid spilled on my keyboard once, after it dried out it was OK
[03:58] <Mojo> i have libdvdcss installed so it should work rihgt?
[03:59] <BlacKnight|> mcthorogood: mine's probably still needing time to dry out
[03:59] <BlacKnight|> mcthorogood: the shift, tab, q, z and caps keys are all a bit borked
[03:59] <ogra> BlacKnight|: use a hairdryer
[03:59] <BlacKnight|> oh and the a key
[03:59] <BlacKnight|> those were the epicentres of the waterfall
[04:01] <Zotnix> i've heard somewhere that the new kernel (I believe at the time it was 2.6.8) that made the change.
[04:02] <BlacKnight|> hrmm ogra: clicking the final burn button does ntohing
[04:02] <ogra> BlacKnight|: hmm, there doesnt open a terminal win ?
[04:03] <BlacKnight|> nope
[04:03] <Mojo> ok when I go fullscreen in ogra I get this http://www3.telus.net/ra11le/skyline/imgp0001.jpg
[04:03] <ogra> BlacKnight|: hmm... so you are among the unlucky.....
[04:03] <BlacKnight|> damn
[04:03] <BlacKnight|> how many otehrs were there?
[04:03] <BlacKnight|> why wouldnt it work?
[04:04] <BlacKnight|> ogra: #flood
[04:04] <ogra> BlacKnight|: about 150 have tried it, about 40 were successfull and use it
[04:05] <BlacKnight|> whatchu think?
[04:05] <ogra> BlacKnight|: hmm, -c look strange
[04:05] <ogra> s
[04:06] <BlacKnight|> hahaha
[04:06] <BlacKnight|> those lines that say yamabushi, etc shouldnt be like htat
[04:06] <BlacKnight|> it's because of bx autocomplete
[04:07] <BlacKnight|> they should read "sh: -c:"
[04:07] <Se7h> dam
[04:07] <Se7h> Sorry, you must have QScintilla 1.3 or snapshot-20041001 or higher.
[04:07] <BlacKnight|> lunch time!
[04:07] <BlacKnight|> bbs
[04:07] <Se7h> 1.2-6 only at synaptic
[04:07] <ogra> BlacKnight|: bye then its 4am here....
[04:07] <BlacKnight|> night, thx for help
[04:07] <Elfin> hi all
[04:08] <ogra> BlacKnight|: welcome ;)
[04:08] <Elfin> yaboot install always fails
[04:08] <ogra> Mojo: is this mplayer ?
[04:08] <Mojo> ogle
[04:08] <Mojo> i'm trying the DVD I played lastnight
[04:09] <ogra> Mojo: sorry, never seen ogle
[04:09] <ogra> Mojo: so i got no idea
[04:09] <ogra> Mojo: i use totem-xine for dvd playing and had no probs so far
[04:09] <Mojo> WTF!!! the dvd movie I played works just fine in totem and in fullscreen
[04:09] <Mojo> I have totem-xine installed
[04:10] <ogra> Mojo: and it seems to work :)
[04:10] <Zotnix> I'm one of the unlucky ones too ;)
[04:10] <Mojo> yeah, but hell boy is giving me problems, but I did notice one thing. hellboy has a lot of folders and the "other" movie has 2...could that be why
[04:10] <Zotnix> Nice app though. Looks like it has promise. What do you write it in?
[04:11] <ogra> Zotnix: perl
[04:12] <ogra> Zotnix: it will get rewritten in python next time i find the time to touch it.....currently other stuff is more important to get written ;)
[04:13] <ogra> Mojo: sorry, i dont even look at the folders on my dvds, i just play them....
[04:14] <Mojo> ahh ok
[04:14] <Zotnix> I'm thinking of learning python. I used to know C++ in high school but have since fallen out of practice with programming in general.
[04:18] <ogra> Zotnix:
[04:18] <ogra> oops
[04:18] <ogra> py is pretty cool compared to perl which i used to use the last years....
[04:19] <Mojo_Jojo> well it works now :D:D
[04:19] <ogra> great
[04:20] <Mojo_Jojo> yup
[04:20] <Mojo_Jojo> but when I play fullscreen in gxine I have to restart X inorder to quit it :( ctrl-f doesnt work :(
[04:20] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: so yont use gxine....
[04:20] <ogra> dont
[04:21] <Mojo_Jojo> yeah it wasd just test i'll try totem again
[04:21] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: it is just another frontend to xine like totem-xine
[04:21] <Mojo_Jojo> fuck totem stll doest it
[04:21] <Zotnix> Erm.. why not press control + alt + f1, login there and kill the gxine process?
[04:21] <Zotnix> Then press alt+F7 to get back into X
[04:21] <findme> this is a big crowd here
[04:21] <findme> have all gentoo users moved here ?
[04:21] <Mojo_Jojo> Zotnix, I tried that but I couln;t find gxine in top
[04:22] <ogra> findme: LOL
[04:22] <Zotnix> Mojo_Jojo, ps ux
[04:22] <Zotnix> instead of top
[04:22] <Mojo_Jojo> ok if it happens agian i;ll tyr that
[04:33] <occy> ogra: howdy
[04:33] <ogra> occy:  hi....
[04:33] <occy> playing with stupid dial-up modem
[04:33] <occy> heh
[04:33] <occy> fun fun fun
[04:34] <ogra> yup
[04:34] <occy> I think I've almost got it setup.
[04:34] <ogra> occy: used pppconf ?
[04:34] <occy> yah, someone here was nice enough to remind me of that.
[04:35] <ogra> oh, pppconfig , sorry
[04:35] <occy> yeah s/conf/config/
[04:36] <occy> the only thing I can think of for changing locations (different dial-up cities)  is to make an alias to rm /etc/wvdial.conf && and  then ln -s  /etc/wvdial.conf.CITY1 /etc/wvdial.conf
[04:36] <occy> and have like:   city1  city2 city3  etc... as aliases.
[04:37] <occy> I wish I could make a menu inside of gnome called:  change dial-up number      or something.
[04:37] <occy> but can't get it to work right outside of the terminal
[04:37] <regeya> anyone here ever have any success setting up a firewire printer?
[04:38] <occy> regeya: first thing... do you have firewire setup on your system already?
[04:38] <regeya> ayep...I think.
[04:38] <occy> my experience with firewire and video was scary
[04:38] <ogra> occy: tried gpppon ?
[04:38] <occy> but that's been well over a year ago
[04:38] <regeya> I can import dv video.
[04:38] <regeya> 'twas no picnic setting it up, but not really that bad.
[04:38] <occy> ogra: hmm what is that exactly?
[04:39] <ogra> occy: a gnome applet for pon/poff
[04:39] <occy> ogra: using the applet
[04:39] <occy> it seems to work fine now that I've set it to run:   sudo pon.wvdial    and sudo poff.wvdial
[04:39] <occy> adding user to dip group didn't work
[04:40] <regeya> also, somehow I've managed to b0rk gnome cups support; wondered if anyone else has been mixing sources, has managed to break cups support, and managed to fix it.
[04:40] <regeya> I rebuilt libgnomecups and reinstalled, but that did nothing.
[04:41] <ogra> occy: thats strange, adding the user to dip always works for me....
[04:41] <occy> ogra: I seem to live in the computer twilight zone.. :)
[04:41] <ogra> heh
[04:41] <occy> regeya: wish I knew buddy :(
[04:41] <occy> regeya: some good people in here, lurk and I'm sure they'll help if they know.
[04:41] <regeya> any reason you don't want to set up dial-on-demand rather than use some applet?
[04:42] <occy> regeya: sounds like work.
[04:42] <occy> heh
[04:42] <regeya> if you run pppconfig, you can set up dial-on-demand in the Advanced settings...there's more...
[04:42] <occy> regeya: My parents need simple.
[04:42] <regeya> occy: are your parents setting up the dialer?
[04:42] <regeya> occy: if so, why are you asking? ;-)
[04:43] <occy> regeya: They don't live with me, as I am a parent myself ;)
[04:43] <regeya> the only other thing is that you need to add something like this to /etc/network/interfaces:
[04:43] <occy> heh
[04:43] <occy> hooking my 60 year old Mom up with Linux
[04:43] <regeya> iface ppp0 inet ppp
[04:43] <regeya>         provider provider
[04:43] <regeya> auto ppp0
[04:44] <regeya> replacing that second 'provider' with whatever dialup account you need.  Don't saddle them with the GNOME System Tools Networking stuff, seriously.
[04:44] <occy> :/
[04:44] <occy> this seems to be working
[04:44] <occy> so I'm not going to look a gifthorse in the mouth.
[04:44] <regeya> um, heh
[04:44] <occy> :)
[04:44] <regeya> if it's working, there's no resaon to ask (or answer) any questions on it. :-D
[04:45] <regeya> I'm not meaning to be infuriating; if it works for you, cheers.
[04:45] <occy> If they need to change the town, they can hit:   F1   (bound to a term)   and then type in the town they are in.  city1  <enter>   and it'll automagically change the phone number they need to dial.
[04:45] <occy> Shouldn't be too hard for them to figure out.
[04:45] <occy> heh
[04:45] <regeya> hehe
[04:46] <occy> this is such a waste of a laptop on them.  BZFlag works way too well on their lappie.
[04:47] <occy> heh
[04:47] <AlohaWolf> has anyone else had any issues with DNS being slower then it ought ot be?
[04:47] <occy> they need to take my old laptop and give me this one ;)
[04:48] <AlohaWolf> BORK, BORK, BORK
[04:48] <occy> hey....  here is a kookie question.   Anyone know how I can have it so that when they connect to the net, Something lets me know?
[04:48] <regeya> why not; I'm transferring some bob wills from cassette to cd for my father-in-law, and it sounds like they didn't have a proper riaa preamp when they transferred to cassette
[04:48] <regeya> AlohaWolf: HEH
[04:48] <ogra> AlohaWolf: its an issue with lazy providers that havent set up ipv6 correctly on their DNS
[04:49] <regeya> so I'm applying eq, and it's talking a long time, and it sucks.
[04:49] <AlohaWolf> even when I run my own Local bind.. its still slow.. and if its such an issue, why didnt Mandrake, or why doesnt Windows have issues?
[04:49] <ogra> because they dont use v6 yet ?
[04:50] <AlohaWolf> then how do I turn v6 off in Ubuntu?
[04:50] <ogra> look in mandrake if ifconfig shows a inet6 address
[04:51] <AlohaWolf> I dont have it installed, and have no desire to either
[04:53] <ogra> before i'm off to bed now...in firefox you can disable v6 in the about:config url (search v6)
[04:54] <ogra> night all
[04:54] <stuNNed> night ogra
[04:57] <AlohaWolf> well.. that fixed mozilla
[04:59] <occy> ogra: night
[05:02] <Triple5> why I dont have no boot splash with ubuntu?
[05:02] <stuNNed> ubuntu doesn't have boot splash by default afaik
[05:02] <|QuaD-> Triple5: hoary or warty?
[05:03] <|QuaD-> stuNNed: i think he was referring to the login one
[05:03] <|QuaD-> not sure though
[05:03] <Triple5> both
[05:03] <|QuaD-> Triple5: what do you mean
[05:03] <|QuaD-> explain your problem further
[05:03] <Triple5> I used both and both I get no boot splash
[05:03] <Triple5> just Grub Menu, text
[05:03] <Triple5> the minute I get warty i upgrade right away to hoary since it works better on my slow pc
[05:04] <stuNNed> Triple5, neither are enabled in ubuntu by default
[05:04] <|QuaD-> Triple5: those boot screens just take time
[05:04] <|QuaD-> you are better off not having them
[05:04] <|QuaD-> IF you want a 29 second boot time, you will need to give those up
[05:05] <|QuaD-> Triple5: hoary runs faster on your slow pc? do oyu have data on that? i wouldn't mind reading
[05:06] <CheatersRealm> |QuaD-, how can I get this 29 second boot time?
[05:06] <|QuaD-> CheatersRealm: it doesn't yet, they are working on it
[05:06] <Triple5> |QuaD-, have data what?
[05:06] <CheatersRealm> |QuaD-, that's what I thought.. lol
[05:06] <|QuaD-> or it does, just they haven't put all the changes through
[05:06] <CheatersRealm> |QuaD-, is there a service removing thing though?
[05:06] <|QuaD-> Triple5: the speed differences
[05:06] <Triple5> so you're saying is better no to use its grub menu
[05:06] <|QuaD-> CheatersRealm: what do you mean
[05:07] <CheatersRealm> |QuaD-, services that start up at boot time, I don't need at least a few of them
[05:07] <Creap> how large should my swap disk be?
[05:07] <|QuaD-> Triple5: not to use its grub men\u? i am saying that it is better not to use a gui one, a text one like ours is fine
[05:07] <|QuaD-> Creap: how much ram you have?
[05:07] <Creap> 256
[05:07] <Triple5> |QuaD-, well all I know I run them and hoary perfoms better than warty I stopped liking ubuntu because of warty, then I got the cds a few days ago and I was tempted to reinstall and decided to upgrade to hoary since I'm always a cutting edge freak
[05:07] <|QuaD-> if oyu have 500 mb should be better
[05:07] <Creap> ?
[05:07] <|QuaD-> Triple5: ok, i was just curious
[05:08] <Triple5> |QuaD-, got'cha well how about if I'm triple-booting or something I can't use that text can I
[05:08] <|QuaD-> Creap: forget the "if oyu have" part
[05:08] <|QuaD-> 500 mb is fine
[05:08] <Creap> ok :P
[05:08] <Creap> will more do any good?
[05:08] <|QuaD-> Triple5: yeah you can, why not?
[05:08] <Creap> since i have some hd space left over
[05:08] <CheatersRealm> if you're using a boot loader, the gui takes less time to load then it does to click on the right entry
[05:08] <|QuaD-> Creap: i doubt it.... do oyu use your ram up often?
[05:08] <Triple5> CheatersRealm, I never knew there was anyway to click
[05:09] <CheatersRealm> Triple5, well not click, but select
[05:09] <Creap> the box runs on windows atm, so yes, but i won't do too much heavy things i think
[05:09] <|QuaD-> Triple5: ther is an option to get hte list of possible os's to boot for, you know right?
[05:09] <|QuaD-> Creap: read the first 3 words of the topic
[05:10] <Creap> yes? I'm just about to format my disks to install ubuntu.
[05:10] <|QuaD-> Creap: ok :)
[05:10] <|QuaD-> i would do about 500 mb.... you should be fine with that
[05:10] <Creap> k thanks
[05:11] <|QuaD-> Creap: i am currently using 149 mb ram out of my 1 gig
[05:11] <Triple5> |QuaD-, didnt know havent tried, does it gets added automatically? I prefer GUI boot but NOt Ubuntu's one though
[05:11] <|QuaD-> Triple5: for just about all bootloaders i think you have to set them up manually (not 100% sure, i don't dual boot, and I don't believe in doing it)
[05:12] <praetor`> :/ man i am having problems....
[05:12] <Triple5> |QuaD-, thank you, I just know Mepis add its I hear just giving an ex.
[05:12] <praetor`> synaptics wont upgrade, install or anything
[05:13] <praetor`> i tried to upgrade and for some reason synaptics wants to remove mozilla-thunderbird and it wont
[05:13] <praetor`> any suggestions?
[05:13] <|QuaD-> Triple5: can i try to convince you of my philosophies on why dual booting is bad?
[05:13] <|QuaD-> get you to boot to only one os?
[05:14] <Triple5> |QuaD-, sure
[05:15] <|QuaD-> Triple5: let me start by saying i don't use windows, but i am not antiwindows.. its right for some people. NOw what os's do you have installed
[05:16] <praetor`> can someone point me to some docs on how to fix this synaptics problem i am having?
[05:16] <ferris> How can I change my screen resolution?
[05:16] <Triple5> |QuaD-, just vector linux right now but it looks good and thats pretty much about it
[05:16] <Triple5> and also runs good
[05:16] <Triple5> but their repository is very limited
[05:17] <|QuaD-> Triple5: vector linux = 1 not 3
[05:17] <|QuaD-> ferris: do you want it to always boot to a different resolution?
[05:17] <ferris> yes
[05:17] <ferris> some how i screwed it up
[05:17] <|QuaD-> ferris: what is it booting to now, what do you want it to boot to
[05:18] <Triple5> |QuaD-, what you mean 1 not 3
[05:18] <ferris> i think it is booting to about 480 X 600
[05:18] <bob2> praetor`: if you're using hoary, sometimes things will just get wedged
[05:18] <bob2> ferris: hoary, nvidia card?
[05:18] <praetor`> bob2, im using warty
[05:18] <ferris> warty
[05:19] <bob2> ferris: are you sure?
[05:19] <|QuaD-> ferris: did you try looking at the xfree86 config file?
[05:19] <|QuaD-> Triple5: thats only one os not 3
[05:19] <ferris> it is the latest release of Ubuntu
[05:19] <praetor`> bob2, how do i fix this "wedged" problem
[05:19] <ferris> QuaD: How?
[05:19] <Triple5> |QuaD-, yes I know
[05:19] <Triple5> but you asked me what I was running
[05:20] <Triple5> and I told you only 1 right now
[05:20] <Triple5> what am I gonna run in a few ? 3 os
[05:20] <praetor`> im very new to apt-get... been using slackware for many years so apt-get is really new to me
[05:20] <Triple5> praetor`, apt-get is life easier
[05:20] <ferris> bob2: I am using a sony laptop f590 (viao)
[05:20] <|QuaD-> load up your favorite editor (ie vim) and read through the /etc/x11/xfree86-4 file to see where it sets a default
[05:20] <Triple5> me?
[05:20] <|QuaD-> Triple5: why do you need to run 3 different os's?
[05:21] <ferris> ok
[05:21] <|QuaD-> Triple5: no that was for ferris
[05:21] <bob2> ferris: ok
[05:21] <Triple5> |QuaD-, because I have more than 1 favorite distro
[05:21] <Triple5> |QuaD-, so I have to test them to the extreme to see which 1 fits me best
[05:21] <bob2> praetor`: paste the output of 'sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird' and 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list' to #flood
[05:21] <s0cks> Ugh.
[05:21] <s0cks> Ubuntu fux0r3d my system. :(
[05:22] <|QuaD-> triple5: why not just pick one that meets your expectations
[05:22] <|QuaD-> Triple5: test them all individually
[05:22] <|QuaD-> s0cks: ?
[05:22] <Triple5> |QuaD-, I have tested over 30 individually
[05:22] <Triple5> been distro-hopper since NOvember when I started and stuff
[05:23] <|QuaD-> Triple5: since this november?
[05:23] <s0cks> Well, appearantly, I installed it, and it wouldn't move past the post.
[05:23] <|QuaD-> s0cks: the post?
[05:23] <AlohaWolf> In my opinion, the only difference between Linux Distros for the most part.. is fit and finish, I started out on Mandrake.. which I loved.. then I ran the Ubuntu Live CD and I was hooked
[05:23] <AlohaWolf> s0cks, did you try reseting the BIOS?
[05:23] <|QuaD-> AlohaWolf: i was getting to something like that
[05:23] <s0cks> alohawolf : Explain that whole procedure.
[05:24] <Triple5> #1 Kanotix, #2 Mepis, #3 Frugalware, then other than that I add to my list gNOX, Beatrix/Ubuntu, Vector, Arch, VidaLinux, PcLInuXOS and SAM
[05:24] <s0cks> alohawolf : Note, the thing wouldn't move past anything with the hd plugged up.
[05:24] <AlohaWolf> you didnt say that
[05:25] <AlohaWolf> check your cabling, and your master/slave jumper
[05:25] <|QuaD-> Triple5: currently there can't be much that makes you prefer one over another. I reccomend picking a fairly popular distro to learn linux on.... then once you understand more about linux, you will be able to truely chose a distro you like
[05:25] <hazza96> I have downloaded a Firefox theme, how do I install it manually?
[05:25] <|QuaD-> it took me about 8 months of using mandrake
[05:26] <Triple5> |QuaD-, true
[05:26] <Triple5> |QuaD-, probably I'll go with Mandrake too lol
[05:26] <Triple5> what made you pick ubuntu now
[05:26] <Triple5> yes this november
[05:26] <|QuaD-> Triple5: i would reccomend mandrake or something like xandros to start with
[05:26] <AlohaWolf> I personally used Mandrake for over a year
[05:27] <ferris> QuaD: I do not have that file
[05:27] <Triple5> ewww xandros no
[05:27] <ferris> I have an xfce86-config file
[05:27] <AlohaWolf> then I saw how clean Ubuntu was.. and I already liked Debian to a point..
[05:27] <s0cks> alohawolf : I am not a hardware novice, you know.
[05:27] <ferris> but i cannot opent it
[05:27] <|QuaD-> Triple5: i used debian... loved that then I decided to try ubuntu which is basically debian with plastic surgury
[05:27] <s0cks> alohawolf : Cableselect.
[05:27] <AlohaWolf> s0cks, try hard setting everything on the buss
[05:27] <Triple5> well another thing is i try to keep away from geeky things as much as possible i need time for my life too thats why im not running gentoo too time taking and other source distros i tried.. but I like vidalinux (gentoo) based since its the easy to use gentoo like
[05:28] <|QuaD-> ferris: if you are running wary, you have an XFree86 orXFree86-4 config file
[05:28] <s0cks> alohawold
[05:28] <s0cks> I can't even get the freakin drive to reformat.
[05:28] <|QuaD-> Triple5: start with mandrake
[05:28] <AlohaWolf> Triple5, yeah.. start with Mandrake and GNOME
[05:28] <Triple5> I used it before also, but sure I'll start again
[05:29] <|QuaD-> AlohaWolf: i think kde is nicer :)
[05:29] <Triple5> I can't use gnome or kde with mandrake that'll flunk my pc
[05:29] <Triple5> SysInfo: Linux 2.4.27 |  Celeron (Coppermine) 634.460 MHz | Bogomips: 1264.84 | Mem: 151/249M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 6.07G Free: 4.29G | Procs: 52 | Uptime: 1 hr 42 mins 39 secs | Load: 0.20 0.14 0.07  | Vpenis: 18.2 cm | Screen: Intel Corp. 82810E DC-133 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller]  (rev 3) @ 1024x768 (16 bpp) | eth0: In: 5.77M Out: 0.78M
[05:29] <bob2> please don't do that in here
[05:29] <bob2> thanks
[05:29] <Triple5> sorry
[05:29] <AlohaWolf> Triple5, you ahve more then enough to use GNOME
[05:29] <Triple5> not with mandrake though :)
[05:29] <Triple5> I've used it before, mandrake is the big hogger
[05:29] <|QuaD-> Triple5: I believe you do
[05:29] <Triple5> it only runs good with icewm, fluxbox or something
[05:29] <AlohaWolf> I disagree.. I ran a PIII 600 with 3 somthing in ram
[05:30] <AlohaWolf> 378 or some such
[05:30] <Triple5> AlohaWolf, can't believe how
[05:30] <|QuaD-> Triple5: maybe you are starting every service in the world
[05:30] <AlohaWolf> it ran smooth and fast
[05:30] <AlohaWolf> I also disabled every service I could in the install section
[05:30] <Triple5> Craperon 634mhz, 256mb, 20gb, Intel i810 video
[05:30] <praetor`> bob2, its downloading mozilla thunderbird now
[05:30] <bob2> praetor`: ok...
[05:31] <|QuaD-> AlohaWolf: you want to disable most services... they start with sooooooooo many
[05:31] <Triple5> lol
[05:31] <AlohaWolf> like.. me.. I didnt have a printer yet, CUPS was running.. WTF, also had apache, webmin, postfix and some other stuff I dont use
[05:32] <|QuaD-> AlohaWolf: i have no printer either, even on my ubuntu system cups is running (too lazy to figure out how to turn it off)
[05:33] <AlohaWolf> |QuaD-, I just uninstalled it :-P
[05:33] <|QuaD-> AlohaWolf: on ubuntu? i wonder if thats how you are supposed to do it
[05:33] <AlohaWolf> until I got my printer
[05:33] <K-Rich> okay, i'm convinced... I've installed Warty a few apps, but my sound doesn't work, and i can't find alsa-config
[05:33] <ferris> QuaD: could it be possible that I do not have since I am using the Xfce desktop?
[05:34] <|QuaD-> ferris no
[05:34] <praetor`> bob2, thsi is a lengthy error statement
[05:34] <praetor`> this*
[05:34] <bob2> praetor`: didn't you say it was working now?
[05:34] <|QuaD-> ferris its in your /etc/x11 folder
[05:34] <Triple5> I have 2 pcs, 1 for linux full-time and the other 1 was XP full-time and linux on vmware or so, but since friday I wiped windows xp out of my laptop "Amd Athlon XP-M 2800+ 768mb DDR 30gb ATI Radeon video" and still haven't installed it, but I am thinking of reinstalling it and installing linux and just dual-boot there, since downloading movies, videos, mp3,s etc is harder on linux so yea and also connecting my mp3player and being a
[05:34] <Triple5> ble to use on linux isnt as easy as in XP
[05:35] <praetor`> it was downloading it but as it installs its trying to process mozilla thunderbird and it errors out on everything
[05:35] <|QuaD-> Triple5: i beg to differ... but to each his own... and p2p is just as easy in linux... however i don't dl illegal matterial
[05:36] <Triple5> |QuaD-, no prob. but it just a matter of getting use to it I guess
[05:36] <ferris> under this directory... I have x, xf86Config-4,Xsession, default-display-manager
[05:36] <|QuaD-> Triple5: that or don't download illegal stuff?
[05:36] <bob2> praetor`: paste that then
[05:36] <Triple5> |QuaD-, i prefer that anyways
[05:37] <|QuaD-> ferris: i am sorry... it is xf86config-4
[05:37] <|QuaD-> Triple5: so why do you need to use windows if you don't need that p2p illegal w@rez kiddie stuff
[05:38] <praetor`> dpkg: error processing mozilla-thunderbird-typeaheadfind (--remove):
[05:38] <praetor`>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127
[05:39] <ferris> QuaD: how do I read the file?
[05:39] <|QuaD-> ferris: sudo vim filename
[05:39] <ferris> ok
[05:41] <bob2> praetor`: no, the whole error, to #flood
[05:41] <praetor`> ok
[05:41] <ferris> there was nothing in the file
[05:42] <|QuaD-> ferris: yes there is
[05:42] <K-Rich> Can anyone tell me how to configure ALSA on buntu Warty?
[05:42] <ferris> i will try it again
[05:42] <K-Rich> s/buntu/Ubuntu
[05:42] <|QuaD-> ferris: make sure you do proper capitalizations
[05:43] <crimsun> K-Rich: it should "just work"
[05:43] <crimsun> K-Rich: what sort of issues with ALSA are you experiencing?
[05:44] <Guardiann> crimsum have you been using Ubuntu for awhile
[05:44] <K-Rich> crimsun, my card is never detected right with alsa, had the issue on debioan sid, but alsa-config is availible there
[05:44] <crimsun> Guardiann: only since the Warty prerelease was made public
[05:44] <Guardiann> how do you like it
[05:45] <K-Rich> crimsun: it's an old motherboard with onboard sound
[05:45] <crimsun> Guardiann: it runs beautifully on the two hundred workstations I installed Warty on in the engineering school
[05:45] <Guardiann> nice
[05:45] <huwr> Hi
[05:45] <Guardiann> i had a bit of a problem configuring it with my dsl
[05:45] <huwr> How do I add things to the Applications menu?
[05:45] <K-Rich> crimsun, so far this is my only issue (so far :P )
[05:45] <|QuaD-> crimsun: you installed it in an eng lab? i wish my lab would... they run their own distro based off of Fedora core 1 or 2 (not sure)
[05:46] <ferris> Quad: I have typed this sudo vim XF86Config-4... I enter my password, it opens a VIM with the file name XF86Config-4 as a new file, no text
[05:46] <K-Rich> find out if i'm the only one at my next lug meeting :)
[05:46] <Triple5> |QuaD-, I do need to share files between friends we send each other stuff via aim or msn ppl send me pics, everybody I know uses windows =\ everybody on irc uses linux , I do use bittorrent sorry if its illegal thats your opinion, I'm on this network that I use a program called FileShare by bluebox network and they all share music and stuff and music from djs from our neighborhood and stuff, also my mp3player I can connect it and w
[05:46] <Triple5> ork with it right away
[05:46] <crimsun> K-Rich: what sound chipset is it? ICH[456] -based? via82xx-based?
[05:46] <Crane> what's a good movie/mpeg player?
[05:46] <huwr> Crane, VLC.
[05:46] <crimsun> Crane: try 'vlc', 'totem-xine', or 'mplayer'
[05:46] <Crane> cool thanks
[05:48] <Crane> hmm can any of that be installed through apt?
[05:48] <ferris> QuaD: I have tried to open another file, and it opens the file without text as well
[05:48] <Crane> not havibg any luck
[05:48] <crimsun> Crane: yes. Read the RestrictedFormats section on the wiki.
[05:48] <Crane> having
[05:48] <Crane> k thanks
[05:48] <|QuaD-> Triple5: you can send files from aim/msn via gaim.... most of the popular bittorrent clients have linux versions (bittorrent, bittornado, and azerurus), and oyu can probably figure out what network "fileshare" uses and find a linux client for that
[05:48] <|QuaD-> ferris: ok, google vim
[05:49] <Creap> hm, are there any issues with sata disks? anywhere i can read?
[05:49] <huwr> I guess no one knows how to add things to the gnome application menu.
[05:50] <ferris> QuaD: what do you mean by 'google vim'
[05:50] <K-Rich> crimsun, Cirrus Logic (crystal sound fusion) it's detected as a CS4610/11 but is a CS4232
[05:50] <Triple5> |QuaD-, you right :)
[05:50] <hazza96> does anyone know of a tutorial on how to create Firefox themes?
[05:50] <Triple5> |QuaD-, well hey my mp3player :)
[05:50] <K-Rich> crimsun, it's even detected wrong with OSS but tells you how to fix it
[05:50] <|QuaD-> Triple5: which
[05:51] <Triple5> |QuaD-, Creative Nomad Jukebox Zen Xtra 40gb
[05:52] <|QuaD-> Triple5: that also works for linux
[05:52] <crimsun> K-Rich: so it's isa
[05:52] <crimsun> K-Rich: isa-based, rather?
[05:52] <Triple5> |QuaD-, word how?
[05:52] <K-Rich> crimsun, right
[05:53] <crimsun> K-Rich: please paste lsmod output to pastebin.com
[05:53] <|QuaD-> Triple5: google it... i don't have one, i use myipaq, but i know its been done
[05:53] <Triple5> true thanks
[05:53] <|QuaD-> Triple5: so why do you need windows again?
[05:53] <Triple5> I was going to purchase a ipod but for $200 40gb wasn't rejectable
[05:53] <Triple5> |QuaD-, lol less reasons now
[05:53] <|QuaD-> Triple5: i got mine from freeipods.com
[05:54] <Triple5> |QuaD-, wtf lol how
[05:54] <punkrockguy318> is there any way I can downgrade from hoary to warty?
[05:54] <K-Rich> crimsun, i assume that means there is no alsa-config availible in Ubuntu
[05:54] <|QuaD-> Triple5: go to the website
[05:56] <Creap> how many did you reffer?
[05:56] <Triple5> |QuaD-, you said no to all of them?
[05:56] <crimsun> K-Rich: yes, there is: alsaconf(1)
[05:56] <|QuaD-> Triple5: ?
[05:56] <crimsun> K-Rich: err, alsaconf(8)
[05:56] <K-Rich> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/133632
[05:56] <Triple5> |QuaD-, all those questions to provide you stuff (survery)
[05:57] <|QuaD-> Triple5: just read how to do it... i did int like 5 or 6 months ago... i forget
[05:57] <Triple5> |QuaD-, you have to participate in an offer
[05:57] <K-Rich> crimsun, just lost me ... isn't that a man page?
[05:57] <|QuaD-> Triple5: yup
[05:57] <Triple5> |QuaD-, lol
[05:57] <|QuaD-> Triple5: my offer was free
[05:58] <crimsun> K-Rich: it can be, yes, but in this context I'm using it to denote the program.
[05:58] <Triple5> im going for the dailydose 1
[05:58] <|QuaD-> Triple5: make sure to read all fine print before doing anything
[05:58] <crimsun> K-Rich: if you do not plan to switch sound cards anytime soon, I recommend you blacklist snd-cs46xx
[05:58] <Triple5> |QuaD-, true thanks
[05:58] <K-Rich> crimsun, i cannot seem to find it
[05:59] <Triple5> |QuaD-, also by the way people like you are the ones that make me like a distro even more and use it "Support" its also 1 of the most important things
[05:59] <crimsun> K-Rich: it's in the 'alsa-utils' package.
[05:59] <K-Rich> crimsun, no intention to change any hardware, how do i blacklist...
[05:59] <|QuaD-> haha
[05:59] <|QuaD-> thanks
[05:59] <|QuaD-> i require support often, so i try to give it when i can
[05:59] <Triple5> :)
[05:59] <crimsun> K-Rich: sudo echo "snd-cs46xx" >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:00] <crimsun> K-Rich: then: sudo echo "snd-cs4232" >> /etc/modules
[06:00] <Triple5> |QuaD-, damn I want to get a free offer
[06:00] <Rene_S> So how is Hoary these days ?  Been a while since I tried it.
[06:00] <crimsun> Rene_S: as bloody as ever
[06:00] <|QuaD-> like, crimsun: i just did an "rm -fR /" like someone pmed me and suggested, and now i can't find my home directory, how do i get it back?
[06:01] <|QuaD-> Triple5: i did ancestry.com
[06:01] <llun_ved> oh crap
[06:01] <Rene_S> Great, gotta love bloody
[06:01] <Triple5> |QuaD-, they dont got that
[06:01] <crimsun> Rene_S: that's expected from a development branch :)
[06:01] <K-Rich> crimsun, krich@eddie:~ $ sudo echo "snd-cs4232" >> /etc/modules
[06:01] <K-Rich> bash: /etc/modules: Permission denied
[06:02] <Rene_S> Maybe I wont upgrade then, I had planned on playing a game or 2
[06:02] <K-Rich> i did it with nano, but the command seems wrong
[06:02] <|QuaD-> Triple5: sorry.... i did it 6 months ago... i don't remember
[06:02] <Rene_S> crimsun, there isnt anything just out and out broken that I should be aware of is there ?
[06:03] <crimsun> K-Rich: mount |grep "on / type"
[06:03] <Triple5> |QuaD-, yea not anymore
[06:03] <Triple5> now they all non-free
[06:03] <K-Rich> crimsun, /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[06:03] <crimsun> Rene_S: there is if you use Nvidia (or possibly ATI)'s binary-only packages for X Windows
[06:03] <K-Rich> ahha!
[06:04] <|QuaD-> Triple5: that stinks :(
[06:04] <Rene_S> crimsun, well then I better just stop my 900 package upgrade while I am still ahead of the game hehe
[06:04] <Triple5> |QuaD-, yea man
[06:05] <crimsun> Rene_S: why, do you use Nvidia or something?
[06:06] <crimsun> K-Rich: did you find the problem(s)?
[06:06] <Rene_S> crimsun, Yeah I do, that would be a pretty big buzzkiller for me, couldn't play America's Army then
[06:06] <K-Rich> crimsun, i seen it on boot i think... something with PCI something looking in /var/log/syslog
[06:07] <crimsun> Rene_S: it's no big deal.
[06:07] <crimsun> Rene_S: just be aware that the bug exists when you dist-upgrade to Hoary.
[06:08] <crimsun> Rene_S: in the meantime, look at the workaround at https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4937
[06:08] <zenwhen> Rene_S, whats going on?
[06:08] <K-Rich> crimsun, Dec 26 21:15:52 localhost kernel: pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID
[06:08] <K-Rich> fail=0x1001
[06:08] <K-Rich> Dec 26 21:15:52 localhost kernel: shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID
[06:08] <K-Rich> fail=0x1001
[06:08] <zenwhen> Did they stop providing the Nvidia driver?
[06:08] <crimsun> K-Rich: those are non-fatal. They are for PCI-X and hotpluggable PCI hardware.
[06:08] <K-Rich> crimsun, they say FATAL on boot
[06:08] <crimsun> K-Rich: (neither of which you have, so you can safely ignore)
[06:09] <crimsun> K-Rich: you can ignore them, as I just stated.
[06:09] <K-Rich> i see nothing elser though... looking for the file that shows what you see :/
[06:09] <K-Rich> crimsun, what what stoped me from using the command you gave me?
[06:10] <crimsun> K-Rich: ls -l /etc/modules
[06:10] <K-Rich> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          322 2004-12-26 22:02 /etc/modules
[06:11] <crimsun> K-Rich: well, you can always use nano to add "snd-cs4232" (without the quotes) to the end of /etc/modules: sudo nano /etc/modules
[06:12] <K-Rich> okay, added... now just reboot and pray eh?
[06:13] <K-Rich> crimsun, also i note synaptix and apt-get both want to use the CD for installing some apps (like alsa-utils)
[06:13] <crimsun> K-Rich: no, can't reboot yet.
[06:13] <crimsun> K-Rich: you need to blacklist snd-cs46xx
[06:13] <crimsun> K-Rich: use nano to add "snd-cs46xx" to the end of /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:14] <K-Rich> got that as well now...
[06:15] <K-Rich> crimsun, i was figuring it would be easyer than debian, most is, just i have old hardware i guess
[06:15] <crimsun> it's Cirrus Logic's fault, not yours.
[06:15] <crimsun> not any distro's
[06:16] <K-Rich> i see :) just used to using alsa-config on these old boards (i have 12 of them, the rest stil have sid on them)
[06:17] <K-Rich> crimsun, also it only detected one of my nics, i assume i need to add 'ne' to /etc/modules as well than?
[06:17] <crimsun> sure.
[06:18] <K-Rich> good thing it detected my internet nic and not my just the lan heh, then i could render though :)
[06:18] <Rene_S> crimsun, oh yeah, thanks for the info btw, I think I am gonna hold off on busting my comp its the Holiday Season
[06:18] <K-Rich> crimsun, wish me luck, rebooting
[06:19] <crimsun> Rene_S: don't worry, it's perfectly safe, just bloody.
[06:22] <alka_trash> damn it, glx is broken in hoary
[06:22] <alka_trash> I guess that's what I get for "Riding unstable"   :)
[06:22] <crimsun> no it's not.
[06:22] <crimsun> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4937
[06:22] <crimsun> but you're right, it not working for _you_ serves you right for not reading bugzilla ;)
[06:24] <shinzui> hi guys
[06:24] <alka_trash> Hotdog! I'll be right back!!!
[06:25] <crimsun> hi shinzui
[06:25] <shinzui> does anyone know where i can buy a ubuntu sticker for my laptop
[06:25] <crimsun> hmm. Might try looking on the forum/wiki for artwork.
[06:26] <shinzui> i did find the artwork, but there isn't a place to buy any merchandise
[06:29] <Creap> crappy fat32 only supporting 32gb partitions
[06:31] <Creap> isn't there a way to get some filesystem to be writable and readable in both windowsxp and linux?
[06:32] <Creap> with larger than 32gb disks...
[06:32] <crimsun> use ext2
[06:33] <Creap> can windows handle it?
[06:34] <drspin> where are the fonts installed by default in Ubuntu?
[06:35] <bob2> lots of places
[06:35] <drspin> where would my msft fonts that I installed be?
[06:35] <bob2>  under /usr/share/fontconfig/truetype, iirc
[06:43] <drspin> thanks
[06:45] <ArCHoNKoG> dum question but i have someone asking in gnome does ubuntu support 64bit
[06:45] <bob2> that question doesn't mean anything
[06:45] <bob2> if they mean "Does Ubuntu have a 64-bit amd64 port?, then yes.
[06:45] <ArCHoNKoG> you still understood it
[06:50] <ferris> ArCHoNKoG: that worked, THANKS!
[06:51] <ArCHoNKoG> ferris, np dude
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> anyone here can help me with knoppix?
[06:51] <ArCHoNKoG> ./join #knoppix
[06:51] <ferris> did you try #knoppix?
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> ArCHoNKoG: i know, but no one responds there. if anyone can help it will be appreciateed....
[06:52] <ferris> what is the issue?
[06:52] <ArCHoNKoG> da_bon_bon, ok what is the problem
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> knoppix was working fine off the cd. i made some partition table changes, and ithangs at "creating /etc/fstab" and mounting.
[06:54] <ArCHoNKoG> ok
[06:54] <bob2> that's a really knoppix-specific question
[06:54] <ArCHoNKoG> yep
[06:54] <bob2> try their list or forum
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> any idea what might be causing hte problem?
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i know, but no one responds there. any help would be appreciated.
[06:55] <ferris> have you tried to install it?
[06:55] <bob2> da_bon_bon: yeah, but it's not a general linux question, it's an actual "only advanced users of knoppix would even know how to debug it"-sort of question
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> bob2: :D ok.
[06:55] <ArCHoNKoG> da_bon_bon, sorry dude
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> ArCHoNKoG: hey, no need to be.. :)
[06:56] <ArCHoNKoG> da_bon_bon, am still trying to understand the question
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> ArCHoNKoG: oh...
[06:56] <ArCHoNKoG> working off the cd
[06:57] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: when knoppix boots, it looks at the partition table on the disk and constructs a fastb to mount it
[06:57] <ArCHoNKoG> i see
[06:57] <ArCHoNKoG> ooohhh
[06:57] <ArCHoNKoG> got it
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> any solutions ?
[06:58] <ArCHoNKoG> no now he is tring to boot off the hd ?
[06:58] <bob2> I'd guess your partition table is weird in some way
[06:58] <bob2> but the knoppix people would know a lot more
[06:58] <macewan> When they list barebone computers like those at newegg.com what else do you have to purchase for it to be a working computer?
[06:58] <da_bon_bon> well, it was damaged and i repaired it using gpart yesterday
[06:59] <macewan> http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=56-150-116R&type=Refurbished
[06:59] <ArCHoNKoG> da_bon_bon, that may anwser your question
[06:59] <da_bon_bon> now, linux distros installers can recognize /dev/hdc partitions, previously they did not, but knoppix cant now... :(
[06:59] <da_bon_bon> ArCHoNKoG: ^^^
[07:00] <bob2> so, yeah, find a knoppix person
[07:00] <ArCHoNKoG> yep
[07:00] <bob2> macewan: ram, hard disk, possibly a video card
[07:00] <ArCHoNKoG> yell in knoppix
[07:00] <ArCHoNKoG> until they ban or something
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i will try the forums.
[07:00] <macewan> thanks
[07:00] <pdaoust> hey, question, if anyone's familiar with DNS, especially MX records...
[07:01] <bob2> it's best to just ask your question
[07:01] <hazza96> anyone know of a good tutorial for creating Firefox themes?
[07:01] <bob2> so people can see if they can answer it before getting involved
[07:01] <pdaoust> bob2: just busy typing it out
[07:02] <s0cks> pdaoust : Wheres the nick from?
[07:02] <pdaoust> hazza96: golly, no, haven't seen something like that. Have you tried just dissecting the XML file of a decent theme and seeing what it's made out of
[07:02] <pdaoust> s0cks: Paul d'Aoust -- my name
[07:02] <s0cks> O. Interesting.
[07:02] <pdaoust> it's pretty simple ^_^
[07:03] <Crane> OS: Linux 2.6.8.1-3-386 | CPU: AMD Athlon(TM) @ 1662.752 MHz | MemTotal: 906736 kB | Audio:  | Video:  | (eth0) Data Sent: 8417202 (8.0 MiB) | (eth0) Data Recivied: 62779504 (59.8 MiB)
[07:03] <Crane> | Uptime: 1:28 | Load Average (15 Mins.): 0%
[07:03] <pdaoust> anyway, I read somewhere a few weeks ago that shutting down your mailserver for three or four days has the potential to eliminate up to 90% of your spam (and I receive in the order of 100 messages per day)... sooooooooo.... my question is, can anyone foresee any serious problems with just changing the MX record of my domain name to 127.0.0.1?
[07:03] <hazza96> pdaoust: good idea, thanks
[07:03] <pdaoust> (besides mail not getting to me, of course ^_^)
[07:03] <bob2> Crane: please don't do that
[07:03] <pdaoust> hazza96: no prob!
[07:04] <bob2> pdaoust: er, that's a terrible idea
[07:04] <pdaoust> bob2: how come?
[07:04] <bob2> pdaoust: think about what other mailservers will do when they try to send you mail
[07:04] <pdaoust> bob2: ah, that's the kind of answer I was looking for
[07:04] <bob2> pdaoust: they'll try to dliver it to themselves then go"oh, I don't do that domain, lets bounce it!"
[07:05] <BlacKnight|> ok got k3b to work
[07:05] <bob2> pdaoust: who told you that was a good idea?
[07:05] <Crane> Crane sorry I didn't think that would offend anyone
[07:05] <BlacKnight|> hrmm should my computer be running so slow when i'm burning a cd?
[07:05] <BlacKnight|> i swear it didnt in mandrake
[07:05] <pdaoust> bob2: so they will bounce the message? if that's the case, that's the effect I'm trying to achieve -- bounced messages.
[07:05] <Crane> I was checking to see if it worked
[07:05] <Crane> and I guess it did couse you said don't
[07:05] <Crane> lol
[07:06] <bob2> pdaoust: I will personally smack you with a dead fish if you start spewing bounceds
[07:06] <pdaoust> BlackKnight|: are you running k3b in root?
[07:06] <pdaoust> bob2: fine, fine.......
[07:06] <pdaoust> :)
[07:06] <lifeless> pdaoust: there is a big difference between shutting down and pointing at localhost.
[07:07] <BlacKnight|> pda:no
[07:07] <lifeless> :)
[07:07] <pdaoust> lifeless: do tell! this is why I asked the question.
[07:07] <bob2> if you shut it down, and have no A record, then your mail sill sit o nother people 's mai lservers
[07:07] <bob2> lots of spam will disappear, since the spammers don't queue mail like that properly
[07:07] <BlacKnight|> pdaoust: running it as a regular user
[07:07] <bob2> you may lose mail, tho, if people have short time outs on thjat
[07:07] <lifeless> pdaoust: if you want to shut it down , just shut it down, leave the MX intact.
[07:08] <Crane> why is this version of xchat not show op , voice and the such?
[07:08] <pdaoust> BlackKnight|: hmmmm, interesting... I do know that K3B, when running in root mode, gives itself priority over as many other processes as possible, to prevent against coasters... are you compiling a CD or DVD of many very small files?
[07:09] <pdaoust> bob2 and lifeless: but won't this be a non-issue if I notify all my real friends?
[07:09] <bob2> Crane: no one in here is voiced or oped
[07:09] <pdaoust> (I wish I could find the original article that described the person's success)
[07:09] <K-Rich> crimsun, thanks, sound and lan working... one question though, how do i play MP3s, Totem says it can't open them :/
[07:09] <bob2> that person is insane
[07:09] <Crane> Oh ok
[07:09] <bob2> pdaoust: it sounds like what you actually want is greylisting
[07:09] <bob2> pdaoust: which is the non-destructive version of this
[07:09] <Crane> why are some of the names lighter than others?
[07:09] <pdaoust> bob2: hey, it's drastic, but a (permanent) 90% reduction in spam is pretty impressive
[07:10] <K-Rich> they are away
[07:10] <BlacKnight|> pdaoust: i'm burning a cd from oggs
[07:10] <crimsun> K-Rich: you need codec support
[07:10] <BlacKnight|> an audio cd from oggs
[07:10] <pdaoust> the reason I'm asking this is that shutting down my mailserver is not an option; the mailserver belongs to my ISP ^_^
[07:10] <BlacKnight|> on the fly
[07:10] <BlacKnight|> which probably explains it
[07:10] <crimsun> K-Rich: read the RestrictedFormats section on the wiki
[07:10] <Crane> lol
[07:10] <BlacKnight|> hi crim!
[07:10] <BlacKnight|> how goes it?
[07:10] <bob2> pdaoust: if you actually have a small enough circle of emailers that you can notify them all, just make a new email address and don't tell anyone but them
[07:10] <pdaoust> BlackKnight|: hum, don't know -- actually, I've alwyas used K3B as root, so I can't advise really...
[07:10] <BlacKnight|> k
[07:10] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: n'bad, yourself?
[07:10] <BlacKnight|> oh well, at least it isn't a coaster.. it must be running at a high priority anyway
[07:10] <pdaoust> bob2: suppose I could do that... but I'll stick with bogofilter before I get a new e-mail address, I think
[07:11] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: good, but i have a friend stuck in lanka, so i'm a bit worried about her
[07:11] <pdaoust> BlackKnight: I guess that must be it
[07:11] <BlacKnight|> and another friend who's meant to goto thailand in a few weeks
[07:11] <BlacKnight|> hopefully she has refundable flights + travel insurance
[07:11] <BlacKnight|> and hopefully the one in lanka won't miss her tour of europe
[07:11] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: yeah, we're anxiously awaiting news regarding one of my sister's friends who was in the area
[07:12] <BlacKnight|> ooh yours sounds more serious.. at least i know everyone's alive and well...
[07:12] <K-Rich> Crthanks
[07:12] <BlacKnight|> hoepfully there won't be a significant aftershock
[07:12] <crimsun> K-Rich: np
[07:15] <pdaoust> bob2: aw poo
[07:15] <BlacKnight|> hahaa it's hilaious haing a water-logged keyboad
[07:15] <BlacKnight|> it does the oddest thigns...
[07:16] <pdaoust> this guy wrote a Slashdot article... I found his blog site, and discovered that, during the upgrade (apparently the mailserver was down for two days because of an upgrade -- Exchange Server, btw ^_^) his sysadmins had installed a spam filter. Soooooo much for the theory... looks like it was a myth.
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> bob2: posted on the knoppix forums. any other places that might help ?
[07:16] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: i still havent fixed tghat stupid usb problem
[07:16] <Tessa> hi all
[07:16] <BlacKnight|> thankfully my burner's working now...
[07:16] <pdaoust> bob2: you can find the whole disappointing conclusion at http://anuragjain.blogspot.com/2004/12/do-not-try-this-at-home-or.html
[07:17] <BlacKnight|> or rather k3b's working now
[07:17] <pdaoust> Tessa: hey
[07:17] <Tessa> i just recieved from a friend a ubuntu live cd, but it doesnt work well in my pc
[07:17] <Tessa> Its boots up alright, but when it finishes loadind, my monitor kinda goes off
[07:17] <pdaoust> Tessa: what sort of problems are you having?
[07:17] <pdaoust> ah
[07:17] <pdaoust> sorry
[07:17] <pdaoust> jumped the gun :)
[07:17] <Tessa> :9
[07:17] <Tessa> :)
[07:18] <pdaoust> Tessa: sounds like it's not communicating with either your monitor or your video card properly. What sort of monitor do you have?
[07:18] <Tessa> i have a phillips 105E and a 128mb nvidia card
[07:18] <pdaoust> (and, for bonus points, what sort of video card? :) )
[07:18] <pdaoust> ok
[07:18] <pdaoust> Phillips 105e... that's a flat-panel, isn't it?
[07:18] <Tessa> nope
[07:18] <pdaoust> kayo
[07:18] <pdaoust> hmmmmmm
[07:18] <Tessa> not quite flat
[07:18] <pdaoust> and it doesn't say "out of range" or anything?
[07:19] <Tessa> my screen just goes off, like when it enters power saving in windows
[07:19] <Tessa> i even tried in fail safe mode and nothing
[07:19] <pdaoust> weeeeeeeeeeeird... I'm not fortunate enough to have a nVidia card; hopefully someone else has some quick, easy pointers on this?
[07:19] <pdaoust> h'lo? :)
[07:20] <pdaoust> Tessa: hmmmmmmmmmm... just thinking...
[07:20] <pdaoust> Tessa: have you ever tried any other LiveCDs before; e.g., Knoppix?
[07:20] <Tessa> thnx a lot, pdaoust
[07:21] <Tessa> nope, this is the first time im trying linux
[07:21] <Tessa> i freaking hate windows
[07:21] <makhand> hey, will the ubuntu disk repartition my drive for a dual boot? or do i have to get an outside program for that?
[07:22] <pdaoust> Tessa: glad to hear you hate Windows ;) what sort of nVidia card do you have? MX4000, FX5200, or... better?
[07:22] <Tessa> i think it is FX5200
[07:23] <pdaoust> Tessa: I think Ubuntu is probably an ideal choice for getting your feet wet... after using a bunch of distros (some hardcore, some easy), Ubuntu just... feels well built.
[07:23] <Tessa> My friend had Mandrake and it looked really cool
[07:23] <BlacKnight|> pdaoust: they pay you to say that, don't they
[07:24] <BlacKnight|> :P
[07:24] <BlacKnight|> Tessa: mandrake's a lot of trouble
[07:24] <Tessa> but he told me Ubuntu would work better for me
[07:24] <BlacKnight|> it looks pretty funky to begin with, but things fall apart the more you dig around
[07:24] <pdaoust> BlackKnight|: yep, every month I get a nice cheque in an unmarked envelope, postmarked South Africa ^_^
[07:24] <Tessa> :D
[07:24] <BlacKnight|> ubuntu is solid, and solid in the bits where it doesn't work too
[07:25] <BlacKnight|> with mandrake if you fiddle you can somehow make stuff work... sometimes in ways they weren't intended to work. with ubuntu you have to really fix something for it to start working...
[07:25] <pdaoust> I agree with BlackKnight|; Mandrake feels patched-together... and if you have a constant Internet connection, it's lovely to just fire up your package manager -- all graphical, no command-line, search for the program you want, and then go 'install'... wonderful stuff.
[07:25] <Tessa> although it is kinda discouraging I cant get it up and running
[07:26] <pdaoust> Tessa: yeah.... looking at one forum post, it seems a lot of FX5200 owners have problems getting the LiveCD to work, but no probs once they take the plunge and actually install Ubuntu
[07:26] <BlacKnight|> Tessa: if you're in windows and you tell it to set a refresh rate or resolutoin higher than your monitor can support, what does the monitor do?
[07:26] <BlacKnight|> pdaoust: might be the nvidia support compiled in the live kernel?
[07:26] <Tessa> it depend on the resolution
[07:26] <Tessa> with some it works and others dont
[07:26] <BlacKnight|> as pdaoust asked, does it give you an "out of range" message?
[07:27] <Tessa> nope, no message just the monitor went off
[07:27] <BlacKnight|> pdaoust: the fact that the monitor turns to power saving indicates that the video card isn't actually outputting anything?
[07:27] <BlacKnight|> Tessa: how about in windows?
[07:27] <Tessa> in windows it works just fine
[07:27] <BlacKnight|> but when you're evil to it and tell it to do sometihng that it cant?
[07:28] <pdaoust> BlackKnight|: that's what I'd guess too... but in this one post I found, someone seemed to have success just by passing a "screen=1024x768" to the kernel at the GRUB prompt...
[07:28] <Tessa> it works sometimes, sometimes i yell at the screens and it works lol
[07:28] <BlacKnight|> pdaoust: well maybe tess should try that?
[07:28] <pdaoust> that's what I'm thinking. Okay, Tessa, here's something to try out.
[07:29] <makhand> so, can someone please tell me if i can repartition my drive with warty?
[07:29] <pdaoust> BlackKnight: wait; I've never used the LiveCD. what sort of options at the grub prompt do you have? just the usual 'linux'?
[07:29] <makhand> i would appreciate it :)
[07:29] <pdaoust> (don't know if the LiveCD has different kernels installed)
[07:29] <BlacKnight|> pdaoust: i've never used it either
[07:30] <pdaoust> makhand: wish I could say; I installed Ubuntu on a blank hard drive, so I've never had to worry about repartitioning.
[07:30] <makhand> oh ok
[07:30] <BlacKnight|> umnm
[07:30] <BlacKnight|> i installed over existing partitions
[07:30] <pdaoust> makhand: I think it has a plain-jane (i.e., 'destructive') partition manager, but I could be wrong
[07:30] <BlacKnight|> makhand: how are your partitions settup atm?
[07:30] <makhand> well, i just bought a compaq notebook
[07:30] <makhand> I'd like to keep windows on it just in case
[07:30] <pdaoust> okay, Tessa, I'll be with you in one sec. I just have to look up a command or two :)
[07:31] <BlacKnight|> ok lemme jsut check the doccos
[07:31] <Tessa> thnx a lot, pdaoust
[07:31] <pdaoust> Tessa: np!
[07:32] <BlacKnight|> makhand: have you tried running the installer?
[07:32] <makhand> not yet.. a little afraid i'll have to reistall everything. i was just hoping someone would have done it
[07:32] <makhand> i suppose i can try
[07:33] <Tessa> I think with expert installation options u can repartition ur hd, makhand
[07:33] <Tessa> it says so i the cd case
[07:34] <makhand> hmm... thanks
[07:34] <makhand> wow, arent you new?
[07:34] <Tessa> yes, i am :)
[07:34] <makhand> helping out already. thats great
[07:35] <bob2> pdaoust: that dude seems a bit confused
[07:35] <Tessa> np, makhand, hope it helps
[07:35] <bob2> pdaoust: mail doesn't bounce as soon as the mail server goes down
[07:36] <pdaoust> bob2: yeah, from the link I sent you, it looks like the guy just didn't realise they had installed a spam filter :-/
[07:36] <BlacKnight|> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/ch03s05.html
[07:36] <BlacKnight|> (that's for you mak)
[07:36] <bob2> pdaoust: yeah
[07:36] <BlacKnight|> If your machine has a FAT filesystem, as used by DOS and older versions of Windows, you can wait and use Debian installer's partitioning program to resize the FAT filesystem.
[07:36] <bob2> pdaoust: but just wanted to make sure you knoew that point was wrong :)
[07:37] <BlacKnight|> makhand: are you using fat or ntfs?
[07:37] <BlacKnight|> umm and remmeber to back your data up... it's pretty likely that something will go wrong and you'll lose the existing windows partition?
[07:37] <makhand> well, its whatever came installed. I'm assuming ntfs
[07:37] <BlacKnight|> oh, you know if you're using winxp you can split your current windows partition
[07:37] <BlacKnight|> ok, is it winxp?
[07:37] <makhand> well, its a pretty new system, so I dont have much on it. its just a matter of time
[07:38] <BlacKnight|> hehe you're pretty much better off without windows :)
[07:38] <makhand> really? yes, it is
[07:38] <BlacKnight|> the only think i use windows for is transferring stuff to my minidisc
[07:38] <makhand> i know, I know. I have only linux on my desktop
[07:38] <BlacKnight|> ok well do you know how to get into the disc manager?
[07:38] <makhand> I've had it for a while, but havent had to deal much with dual booting
[07:38] <K-Rich> crimsun, errrr this totem-xine it says to install says it removes ubuntu-desktop... err that's not good is it?
[07:38] <pdaoust> bob2: no worries; I realised he was confused when I saw that article :)
[07:38] <makhand> i think i rememember something about that. let me look
[07:39] <bob2> hehe
[07:39] <BlacKnight|> makhand: read that web page?
[07:40] <pdaoust> K-Rich: it's not great, but for most purposes, it doesn't cause problems -- ubuntu-desktop is simply an empty dummy package that depends on all the Ubuntu desktop components (GNOME, HAL, and DBUS). Uninstalling ubuntu-desktop doesn't actually uninstall your desktop :)
[07:40] <makhand> blacknight, which one?
[07:40] <BlacKnight|> the one i pasted up there^^
[07:40] <K-Rich> pdaoust, whew :), thanks, that was my worry, ... of note the mplayer on there doesn't work :/ (which kinda sucks :/)
[07:40] <makhand> nm, found it, sorry
[07:40] <bob2> but you will need to be careful when you move to hoary
[07:41] <BlacKnight|> makhand: try and find out if you're using ntfs or fat
[07:41] <BlacKnight|> if you're using fat, then ubuntu's partition util should be able to split your partition
[07:41] <pdaoust> bob2: good point
[07:42] <makhand> thanks, reading it
[07:42] <BlacKnight|> makhand: this is for you too - http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=309000#4
[07:42] <pdaoust> blastit, I can't find this info anywhere... anybody know, off-hand, what the different boot options are with the Warty LiveCD?
[07:43] <pdaoust> i.e., does 'linux' at the GRUB prompt get you the stock kernel?
[07:43] <bob2> since you won't automatically pick up new packages that might be needed/useful for a desktop
[07:43] <pdaoust> bob2: ooo, you're right
[07:43] <BlacKnight|> pdaoust: wouldn't the boot menu on live be the same as the default grub with warty?
[07:43] <BlacKnight|> bob2: when's hoary coming out?
[07:43] <calc> april
[07:43] <bob2> BlacKnight|: april 15th or so
[07:43] <pdaoust> BlackKnight: I believe the LiveCD is based on Morphix, whereas the install CD is based on Debian's install CD or something
[07:44] <BlacKnight|> pdaoust: oic
[07:44] <bob2> the install cd uses a modified version of sarge's installer
[07:44] <zaeem> hi all
[07:44] <zaeem> hi bob2
[07:44] <Tessa> hi zaeem
[07:44] <zaeem> hey Tessa...
[07:44] <K-Rich> is it safe to use universe and multiverse repositories ?
[07:45] <zaeem> can you guys help me out with this errors??
[07:45] <zaeem> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:45] <zaeem>   libatspi-dev: Depends: libgtk2.0-dev (>= 2.2.0-2) but it is not going to be installed
[07:45] <zaeem>                 Depends: libgail-dev (>= 1.4.1) but it is not going to be installed
[07:45] <zaeem> E: Broken packages
[07:45] <bob2> K-Rich: usually, but they are unsupported...
[07:45] <K-Rich> okay
[07:45] <bob2> zaeem: what have you done to get that error?
[07:45] <pdaoust> K-Rich: I think so; they're just not supported. your mileage may vary, because you'll probably be installing different packages from me. For me, it's all worked; I've even used repositories that aren't even an official part of Ubuntu or Debian or any of that stuff
[07:46] <zaeem> bob2, apt-get install at-spi libatspi-dev
[07:46] <bob2> zaeem: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood?
[07:46] <pdaoust> bob2: sounds like the source repositories need to be enabled
[07:46] <zaeem> gimme a minute...
[07:46] <pdaoust> (i.e., deb-src)
[07:46] <K-Rich> pdaoust, i assume sarge and sid?
[07:46] <bob2> pdaoust: no
[07:46] <bob2> pdaoust: they play no role in dependencies at all
[07:47] <BlacKnight|> pdaoust: you can even successfully install rpms with alien
[07:47] <BlacKnight|> but they might place files in wierd mdk- or redhat- specific lcoations
[07:47] <pdaoust> bob2: but don't the -dev packages belong to the deb-src repositories?
[07:47] <Tessa> pdaoust: did u find the commands u were looking for?
[07:47] <BlacKnight|> which messes things up a bit
[07:47] <bob2> pdaoust: no
[07:47] <bob2> pdaoust: they're just regular binary packages
[07:47] <pdaoust> K-Rich: you mean the repositories I used? naw, they were things like the Marillat repository (home to the legally questionable win32codecs package ^_^)
[07:48] <BlacKnight|> pdaoust: but isn't that an ubuntu repository?
[07:48] <BlacKnight|> for ubuntu debs?
[07:48] <bob2> BlacKnight|: no
[07:48] <bob2> it's for debian
[07:48] <BlacKnight|> ah rightio
[07:48] <bob2> which is why it doeasn't work for warty anymore
[07:48] <BlacKnight|> debian debs seem to install quite neatly
[07:48] <BlacKnight|> it doesn't?
[07:48] <pdaoust> bob2: this is news to me too
[07:49] <zaeem> bob2, http://www.pastebin.com/133646
[07:49] <K-Rich> pdaoust, have any experiance with the ubuntu backports site on sf.net ?
[07:49] <pdaoust> K-Rich: never even heard of it ^_^
[07:49] <bob2> I'd be very wary of those backports
[07:49] <pdaoust> Tessa: hold on, still looking :)
[07:49] <Tessa>  tnx
[07:49] <bob2> zaeem: that's not #flood, but anyway...
[07:50] <pdaoust> K-Rich: I just go full-bore, install stuff from hoary, and then try to figure out why I can't boot up anymore -- once that's fixed, things are great ^_^
[07:50] <zaeem> bob2, i havent used #flood ... :(
[07:50] <bob2> zaeem: it's just a channel
[07:50] <zaeem> oh
[07:50] <bob2> zaeem: why do you have marillat in there 3 times?
[07:50] <zaeem> marillat??
[07:50] <bob2> you're the 3rd person today who's had that
[07:51] <bob2> zaeem: look at the url you just gave me.  find the word 'marillat'. you've put it in there 3 times.
[07:51] <zaeem> bob2, i had that from some tutorial
[07:51] <bob2> which tutorial?
[07:51] <bob2> I want to email the author and tell them to stop breaking people's computers
[07:52] <zaeem> hmm..
[07:52] <K-Rich> pdaoust, more daring than I lol (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntu-bp/)
[07:52] <makhand> well, it looks like my drive is ntfs, and it looks like i may not be able to re-partition it
[07:52] <bob2> remove all the marillat ones except for the testing one
[07:52] <bob2> that probably won't fix it, but it's a start
[07:52] <zaeem> bob2, i think it is from that multimedia howto of ubuntu
[07:52] <zaeem> ok bob2
[07:53] <K-Rich> pdaoust, deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe
[07:53] <bob2> where's the multimedia howto?
[07:53] <zaeem> hang on
[07:53] <bob2> woah
[07:53] <bob2> they're pimping for donations?
[07:53] <pdaoust> K-Rich: yeah, installing the Hoary version of GTK+ really screws up Ubuntu; it doesn't boot... I discovered that the solution is to install the Hoary version of GDM, and it works fine.
[07:54] <bob2> pdaoust: er, if that stops it booting, then please file a serious bug
[07:54] <bob2> oh, gdm
[07:54] <zaeem> bob2, nah it was some other god damn tutorial..
[07:54] <bob2> zaeem: if you find it again, please tell me
[07:54] <pdaoust> bob2: yeah, thing boots, and tries to start up GDM, but it just bails and says something about a session already starting up on display :0 -- installing the newest GDM is the only solution I've found.
[07:55] <zaeem> i sure will..
[07:55] <bob2> pdaoust: why were you upgrading gtk to begin with?
[07:55] <zaeem> but for the moment, i cant install those pacakges..
[07:55] <bob2> zaeem: do you have an /etc/apt/apt.conf?
[07:55] <pdaoust> bob2: because Firefox asked me to upgrade GTK+ :)
[07:55] <K-Rich> pdaoust, bet it would have been easyer to just edit /etc/inittab and boot to console :)
[07:55] <zaeem> let me c..
[07:55] <mroth> is a P3/450 considered a i686?
[07:55] <bob2> you don't need to edit inittab for that
[07:55] <bob2> mroth: yes
[07:55] <pdaoust> mroth: you bet
[07:55] <mroth> awesome, thanks
[07:55] <zaeem> bob2, no apt.conf in /etc/apt
[07:56] <pdaoust> K-Rich: well, I had no choice about booting to console -- that's all I *could* do :)
[07:56] <pdaoust> (once X bailed on me)
[07:56] <calc> mroth: all intel newer than ppro is i686
[07:56] <calc> er ppro and newer (ppro is i686 also)
[07:56] <pdaoust> calc: I was under the impression that P Pro *is* i686 as well?
[07:56] <pdaoust> ah
[07:56] <pdaoust> there ya go :)
[07:56] <calc> pdaoust: misworded it ;)
[07:57] <K-Rich> pdaoust, i moved to warty from sid... after i messed up, i could have fixed but i onlt have a 1.5GB /home so i decided to do it since i've been passing out CDs like it was candy on halloween :)
[07:57] <calc> however some other chips newer than that aren't i686, like via c3
[07:57] <pdaoust> Tessa: okay, this isn't incredibly easy to follow, I'm sure, but here goes...
[07:57] <pdaoust> K-Rich: heh, cool
[07:57] <calc> some of the c3's don't support cmov so can't run i686 binaries
[07:57] <bob2> I hope whoever is doing these backports has a plan for helping people upgrade to hoary when it comes out
[07:57] <zaeem> bob2, wanna tell you a thing...i changed my sources from warty to hoary to upgrade firefox and that really screwed a few things.
[07:57] <bob2> zaeem: oh, well, that would explain it then
[07:58] <bob2> calc: iirc cmov isn't required by the i686 'standard'
[07:58] <zaeem> i c, now how do i repair the damage done?
[07:58] <K-Rich> bob2, why? if there are enough backports lol
[07:58] <K-Rich> man, i have friends still using Woody and no backports
[07:58] <K-Rich> (ie gnome 1.4) eek!
[07:58] <bob2> zaeem: it's long and painful
[07:58] <calc> bob2: maybe not, perhaps the code generating cmov instructions is technically buggy then
[07:58] <zaeem> holy shit...
[07:59] <bob2> calc: yeah, that seemed to be the conclusion of that 6 year long thread about openssl
[07:59] <calc> ah ok
[07:59] <pdaoust> Tessa: okay, so when you stick your LiveCD in, you get a beautiful boot prompt with the Ubuntu logo, and a little word that says 'boot:'. I think that all you have to do is type in "linux -screen=1024x768" (without quotation marks, of course) and it'll limit your display resolution to 1024x768
[07:59] <zaeem> bob2, i desperately want to use beagle and dashboard..
[07:59] <bob2> zaeem: upgrading to hoary is probably the simplest solution then
[07:59] <zaeem> hmms..
[08:00] <zaeem> how do i do that?
[08:00] <zaeem> i should be searching for that rather than asking..
[08:00] <zaeem> sorry
[08:00] <Tessa> ill try taht pdaoust
[08:00] <Tessa> let me reboot
[08:00] <Tessa> brb
[08:00] <pdaoust> Tessa: Sorry it took so long... I never did find the information I was looking for, but I'm making an educated guess :)
[08:00] <Tessa> ur a hun, pdaoust
[08:00] <Tessa> :)
[08:01] <pdaoust> aw shecks :)
[08:01] <bob2> zaeem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[08:01] <bob2> zaeem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[08:01] <alka_trash> wow, what a journey, I'm back and glx is working
[08:01] <zaeem> thnx a lot bob2 ...u r da man..:)
[08:01] <pdaoust> soooooooo nobody knows about what sort of boot options and kernel choices a LiveCD user has, eh? nothing on the Wiki can enlighten me...
[08:02] <bob2> ask on the list
[08:02] <bob2> the livecd is pretty different to the actual OS
[08:05] <zenrox> ya its desined to run off the cd /instded of the hdd and thats a big derfence
[08:05] <zenrox> diference
[08:06] <pdaoust> Bob2: that's what I hear -- the LiveCD is based off Morphix or something?
[08:06] <bob2> yes
[08:06] <bob2> well, it's different enough that I don't know the tricks of it
[08:06] <bob2> never actually used it tho
[08:06] <BlacKnight|> pdaoust: did it work?
[08:06] <bob2> since my cds went mia
[08:07] <pdaoust> I'm just trying to help someone who got a LiveCD given to them, but they're having a problem with their FX5200 video card... one Ubuntu user on the forum seemed to have success by passing an explicit modeline to the kernel at the GRUB prompt
[08:07] <pdaoust> bob2: lend them out to someone? :)
[08:07] <pdaoust> BlackKnight|: did what work? helping Tessa out with the LiveCD?
[08:07] <pdaoust> (if so, I'm still working on it... she's rebooted her computer)
[08:08] <bob2> pdaoust: nah, my boxes just didn't make it here yet
[08:08] <pdaoust> bob2: ah, you ordered them... spiffy :)
[08:10] <BlacKnight|> pdaoust: yeah, tess
[08:10] <pdaoust> BlackKnight|: yep, just waiting for her reply... never did find out any info on the LiveCD's boot options tho :/
[08:10] <BlacKnight|> i'd say yes, and she's in ubuntu now playing around
[08:11] <pdaoust> BlackKnight|: wouldn't that be nice ^_^
[08:11] <pdaoust> one of those disgruntled Windows-haters who's looking for an alternative; I hope she's happy with Ubuntu
[08:12] <BlacKnight|> i like the gnome boot menu
[08:12] <BlacKnight|> sorry
[08:12] <BlacKnight|> gnome login screen
[08:12] <BlacKnight|> gdm
[08:12] <BlacKnight|> bah can't articulate
[08:12] <pdaoust> (moving from Gentoo, I was extremely happy... I loved Gentoo, but the whole 'roll-your-own' thing was getting tedious :-/)
[08:12] <BlacKnight|> silly me... yeah the ubuntu gdm thing.. looks nice
[08:12] <pdaoust> BlackKnight|: on the LiveCD, or just in Ubuntu, period?
[08:12] <ArCHoNKoG> pdaoust, same here
[08:12] <BlacKnight|> i thought gentoo's rad
[08:12] <BlacKnight|> pdaoust: the latter
[08:12] <BlacKnight|> how's fedora?
[08:13] <BlacKnight|> gentoo has a similar distribution-upgrade concept, doesn't it?
[08:13] <pdaoust> BlackKnight|: I think it rocks too, but yeah... wanted a binary distro... and I like when the packages preconfigure themselves with good defaults.
[08:13] <BlacKnight|> oh and hwat happens to all my own-rolled programs when i do distribution-up[grade in ubuntu?
[08:14] <pdaoust> BlackKnight: it has a very similar concept to Fedora and Ubuntu, yes. The only difference is that their distro is constantly changing; i.e., the stable distro is simply whatever packages get installed when you go "emerge your-package-name-here"... whereas Ubuntu and Fedora work on the idea of six-month stable releases, with only bug-fixing upgrades.
[08:15] <bob2> BlacKnight|: you keep your own stuff in /usr/local/, and then ubuntu ignores it completely
[08:15] <pdaoust> BlackKnight: most likely your home-rolled programs will be in... bob2 beat me to it. yeah, /usr/local
[08:15] <bob2> that's one of the many reasons you don't let junk get into /usr/
[08:16] <pdaoust> BlackKnight: the only conflict I can see is that, if /usr/bin is before /usr/local/bin in $PATH, it'll choose the Ubuntu version of the binary first.
[08:16] <bob2> it's not
[08:16] <bob2> for exactly that reason
[08:16] <pdaoust> ?
[08:16] <zaeem> bob2, upgrading to hoary from warty..
[08:16] <bob2>  /usr/local/bin/ is in the head of the path exactly so you can override stuff
[08:17] <pdaoust> bob2: is it?
[08:17] <pdaoust> every day is a learnin-stuff day :)
[08:18] <zaeem> bob2, synaptic says that it will download 516 MB...that will choke my connection..can i limit the download speed?
[08:18] <bob2> run it under trickle, I guess
[08:19] <pdaoust> anybody off-hand know the name of that network connection monitor that works kinda like top, only it lists hostnames instead of processes?
[08:19] <bob2> iftop? ntop?
[08:19] <pdaoust> bob2: thanks; I'll try :)
[08:21] <pdaoust> bob2: that's the very kind of program I was looking for; thanks!
[08:24] <pdaoust> hey Kickstart...
[08:24] <pdaoust> you from Vancouver or Victoria?
[08:24] <Kickstart> Hello...I'm having a problem with the 'Method 1' instal of Java on this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java...Can anyone help?
[08:25] <Kickstart> pdaoust, Vancouver-ish :)
[08:25] <Kickstart> Richmond
[08:25] <pdaoust> cool. what's the weather like down there? have to make a trip on Tuesday, and I'm just wondering what the conditions are like.
[08:26] <Kickstart> pdaoust, today was mostly crappy with a little clearing before it got dark. Supposed to be nicer tomorrow but weather.ca is predicting rain for Tuesday (they are usually more wrong than right)
[08:26] <pdaoust> Kickstart: I've noticed that ^_^ they predicted snow all last week when my friend was coming from Florida, but not a flake
[08:27] <pdaoust> Kickstart: I can't remember which method I used to install Java... one sec
[08:27] <Kickstart> Heh...yeah, I think the CO2 levels are messing them up these days ;)
[08:27] <pdaoust> Kickstart: must be :)
[08:27] <Kickstart> The error I'm getting is that java-common and a gfonts deb are unavailable.
[08:28] <pdaoust> Kickstart: I used method 1, I believe. what's your problem?
[08:28] <pdaoust> whoa, bet me to it
[08:28] <pdaoust> Kickstart: hmmm, java-common... do you have warty universe repository enabled?
[08:29] <Kickstart> I've got multiverse and the Blackdown repository they listed.
[08:29] <pdaoust> Kickstart: pooey. java-common seems to be part of warty; don't know why it's not showing up
[08:29] <pdaoust> dumb question, but you did reload your repository list once you installed jrfonseca.dyndns.org repository?
[08:30] <Kickstart> yup :) And nothing in 'apt-cache search'
[08:30] <pdaoust> weirdness. colossal weirdness...
[08:30] <_nicolas_> Hi all. I just got started on Ubuntu. Just looking around here
[08:31] <Kickstart> just did another apt-get update and apt-cache search again and it doesn't exist
[08:31] <pdaoust> Kickstart: thanks for the heads-up ;) I always assume people are n00bs and work up from there ^_^ usually works, because I'm a n00b myself!
[08:31] <Kickstart> there's j2se-common though
[08:32] <pdaoust> Kickstart: that's interesting; where's that coming from, I wonder
[08:32] <Kickstart> hold on, I'll check synaptic
[08:33] <pdaoust> 's too bad Synaptic doesn't tell you what repository it got a package from...
[08:33] <Kickstart> Hmm...I thought it did in the properties of the package, but you are right and I am wrong.
[08:34] <_nicolas_> question: has anyone here got the Intel Pro/Wireless 2200BG working under Ubuntu?
[08:34] <pdaoust> _nicolas_: I'd just be happy if I had a wireless card, even if it didn't work ^_^
[08:34] <bob2> it works in hoary, I hear
[08:34] <Kickstart> _nicolas_, do you know the module?
[08:34] <pdaoust> (so in other words, sorry :) )
[08:34] <bob2> ipw2100 works fine in warty
[08:36] <pdaoust> Kickstart: sorry, I forgot your answer: did you say you have both warty universe and multiverse enabled?
[08:36] <Kickstart> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse \ deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian ./
[08:37] <_nicolas_> Kickstart, I don't know the module. I see that it has an entry in /sys/devices when I check the Device Manager
[08:37] <Kickstart> Just multiverse
[08:37] <pdaoust> Kickstart: ah, that might be it; maybe it's in universe
[08:37] <Kickstart> _nicolas_, no worries, was just curious
[08:37] <pdaoust> (but not multiverse)
[08:38] <Kickstart> what's the sources.list line for universe? Ok to have both?
[08:38] <_nicolas_> ok
[08:38] <bob2> just add the word 'universe' before 'multiverse'
[08:38] <pdaoust> yep, here's my pertinent lines: K-Rich: well, I had no choice about
[08:38] <pdaoust> whoa, that's completely the wrong line
[08:38] <pdaoust> wrong key :)
[08:38] <pdaoust> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[08:39] <pdaoust> there we go :)
[08:39] <Kickstart> cool...updating now
[08:39] <pdaoust> rockin'
[08:40] <Kickstart> no java-common
[08:40] <Kickstart> :(
[08:40] <pdaoust> Kickstart: well ain't that just feces
[08:40] <pdaoust> hmmmmmmmmmm
[08:40] <Kickstart> attempting to reselect the jdk
[08:41] <Kickstart> j2sdk I mean
[08:41] <Kickstart> "java-common does not appear to be available" with blackdown
[08:42] <pdaoust> blast it!!! what's going on?!?
[08:42] <Kickstart> same deal with sun j2re
[08:42] <pdaoust> let's see what other repositories I have enabled.
[08:42] <pdaoust> Kickstart: do you have 'restricted' repository enabled?
[08:43] <zaeem> bob2, i have changed my sources from warty to hoary to perform a dist upgrade...how can i start from the command line now?
[08:43] <Kickstart> just the two lines I posted earlier
[08:43] <bob2> zaeem: start trickle?
[08:43] <pdaoust> Kickstart: betcha anything it's in the restricted repository
[08:44] <pdaoust> so the line should read:
[08:44] <Kickstart> oops, I lied
[08:44] <pdaoust> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty restricted universe multiverse
[08:44] <zaeem> how can i perform a dist upgrade from apt-get
[08:44] <Kickstart> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[08:44] <Kickstart> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[08:44] <Kickstart> deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian ./
[08:44] <pdaoust> Kickstart? really?
[08:44] <Kickstart> yep...that's egrep -v '#' /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:45] <pdaoust> hmmm, you should have a line that says deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main
[08:45] <bob2> zaeem: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:45] <pdaoust> Kickstart: ah, so you ignored commented-out lines
[08:45] <Kickstart> yep
[08:45] <Kickstart> I'
[08:45] <Kickstart> I'll add that and see what it does.
[08:45] <pdaoust> Kickstart: cool
[08:45] <pdaoust> good luck!
[08:46] <Kickstart> AHA!
[08:46] <pdaoust> oho?
[08:47] <zaeem> bob2: trickle -u $KBPS apt-get --download-only upgrade && apt-get upgrade
[08:47] <Kickstart> yep, that did it...thanks much!
[08:48] <zaeem> replacing $KBPS with some number will do it .. right?
[08:48] <pdaoust> Kickstart: glad I could help! not quite sure why main and restricted were set to CD-only
[08:48] <Kickstart> FWIW, that was from the default install, so I expect other n00bs will have lots of trouble.
[08:48] <pdaoust> Kickstart: yeah, that's weird; maybe I changed it as soon as I installed, so I forgot about it
[08:49] <pdaoust> but to my knowledge the main and restricted net repositories have always been enabled
[08:49] <pdaoust> buuuuuut
[08:49] <pdaoust> I've been wrong before
[08:49] <pdaoust> (many times ;) )
[08:50] <pdaoust> I wonder if Tessa is ever coming back... hopefully her absence means that she got to the bottom of her video card problems and she's having all sorts of fun with her new LiveCD
[08:50] <pdaoust> anyway, folks, I'm off to bed. talk to yez later.
[08:50] <Kickstart> heh, no worries. Anyhow, thanks again. I'm going to head to bed before I get killededed.
[08:50] <bob2> zaeem: you need sudo on both the apt functions
[08:51] <pdaoust> (or sworded or burninated, which is just as bad :D )
[08:51] <pdaoust> oh, missed him
[08:55] <Maj3stic> |QuaD-: whats up
[08:55] <Maj3stic> its me Triple5 just on BeatrIX right now the ubuntu based distro
[08:58] <shinzui> what's the correct place to store environment variables used by all users
[08:59] <shinzui> /etc/environment?
[09:01] <netmonk> can anyone please help me? I'm trying to somehow reset spamassassin because every mail I get is treated as spam. Please, help!
[09:04] <zaeem> bob2, tell me a thing..if i stop a apt-get process in the middle while its downloading packages and then launch it again...will i loose all the previously downloaded packages?
[09:07] <bob2> no
[09:07] <bob2> but don't stop it while it's unpackage stuff
[09:08] <zaeem> alright..
[09:08] <zaeem> i already tried that..
[09:09] <Triple5> anyone here has the xchat x-sys script for ubuntu
[09:09] <zaeem> trickle doesnt limit bandwidth effectively..i have told it to limit to 40 KBPS but still it goes upto 60..
[09:09] <zaeem> it stays above 40 all the time.
[09:11] <tuxJr_14> hi
[09:14] <bob2> trickle can only approxximate shaping
[09:24] <bud> question: is there a program for ubuntu that will allow me to determine my total bandwidth usuage say per month?
[09:27] <tuxJr_14> bud: rp3 does that. but that's discontinued afaik. search for it in the redhat source archives
[09:29] <bob2> ltos of programs will do that
[09:32] <bud> ok see here is the thing i'm trying to find something on google but not not having much look. i setup an apache server and really wanting to know how much bandwidth is it using. but i wil try rp3 thanks
[09:33] <tuxJr_14> bud: wait. rp3 does that only for dial-ups
[09:33] <bud> ok
[09:41] <alka_trash> anyone out there able to vpn into work yet?
[09:43] <bob2> tinc works well
[09:44] <acs1218> hello folks
[09:44] <acs1218> happy christmas to youall
[09:44] <K-Rich> Anyone know where i can find a large format Ubuntu image?
[09:44] <K-Rich> logo that is
[09:44] <K-Rich> (offering free press)
[09:44] <K-Rich> (good press too)
[09:51] <alka_trash> bob2: okay, I'll give it a shot
[09:52] <bob2> if by vpn you mean "Microsoft vpn server", tho, it won't work
[09:54] <Lathiat> bob2: uh, it can
[09:54] <Lathiat> bob2: does require kernel patch for mppe but.
[09:59] <alka_trash> bob2: any gui out there for it
[10:01] <Friczy> re
[10:02] <woody> ogra, are you there ?
[10:03] <woody> By the way, who are you dual booting with Ubuntu Linux ?
[10:04] <stuNNed> woody, i dual boot on laptop for sake of work
[10:04] <stuNNed> forsaken!
[10:04] <stuNNed> lol
[10:04] <woody> Well can we dual Warty and Hoary on the same PC ?
[10:04] <Ear3ndil> hi
[10:04] <woody> dual boot
[10:05] <crimsun> if you really feel like it, sure, nothing's stopping you
[10:05] <bob2> Lathiat: no, I was talking about tinc
[10:05] <bob2> alka_trash: doubt it
[10:05] <alka_trash> okay
[10:05] <alka_trash> still cool though
[10:06] <Lathiat> bob2: oh ok
[10:06] <Lathiat> bob2: sorr
[10:06] <Lathiat> +y
[10:06] <woody> Well has anyone here tried booting several different Linux distros from a single hard disk ?
[10:07] <jeff2> woody: yes, it works
[10:07] <jeff2> woody: though I'm using multiple partitions
[10:08] <woody> Wow, which distros are you booting right now ?
[10:08] <woody> great
[10:08] <jeff2> gentoo i386 and amd64. i'm going to switch them over to ubuntu amd64 soon
[10:09] <woody> Can we boot Fedora 3, Slackware 10, Ubuntu from a single hard disk ?
[10:09] <crimsun> you can boot as many as you want
[10:09] <crimsun> personally it's easiest to just use chroots as opposed to separate partitions
[10:11] <woody> Well I am quite new to chroots
[10:11] <woody> crimsun, What is the basic concept of chroots ?
[10:12] <crimsun> see chroot(8)
[10:12] <bob2> there usually isn't any point to booting more than one or two distributions
[10:13] <woody> But that will just give just different shells
[10:14] <crimsun> chroots are much more than just different shells
[10:14] <woody> So regarding multiple Linux booting, does it matter which distros we install first
[10:14] <bob2> they're seperate systems sharing a kernel
[10:14] <bob2> woody: no
[10:14] <neighborlee> can someone assist me with getting either k3b or xcdroast to burn an ISO but extract its contents ( ie: not burn the iso as is) ??...I could do from command line but that gets old ;-)
[10:15] <bob2> except that anything aside from ubuntu will probably install a screwed boot loader
[10:17] <woody> Well if I install Fedora first, it will install it's GRUB Boot menu, then I install Ubuntu, then the GRUB menu of Ubuntu gets installed and it will also detect the Fedora installation ??
[10:17] <BlacKnight|> is there currenltly any differrence between maxtor, wd and seagate?
[10:18] <calc> BlacKnight|: the name of the company
[10:18] <calc> actually seagate's 7200.8 series is probably the best out right now for sata
[10:18] <calc> includes ncq and large disk capacities
[10:18] <BlacKnight|> i'm just thinking whether i should even bother with sata
[10:19] <BlacKnight|> i don't think the box it's going into supports sata
[10:19] <crimsun> SATA controllers are relatively inexpensive
[10:19] <bob2> woody: yes
[10:19] <BlacKnight|> yeah but it's a p400
[10:19] <BlacKnight|> p=pentium
[10:19] <bob2> calc: tcq?
[10:20] <calc> bob2: the same thing i think, ncq expands to native command queueing, but i'm pretty sure its all the same
[10:20] <calc> probably just marketing
[10:21] <BlacKnight|> does the current linux kernel have problems with sata?
[10:21] <calc> no
[10:21] <calc> i have a wdc 250gb sata myself
[10:23] <woody> bob2, what happens if I install Ubuntu first and then Fedora ?
[10:24] <BlacKnight|> hrmm i can get a 200 gig wd sata for 168 aud
[10:24] <BlacKnight|> or the same in seagate for 178
[10:24] <BlacKnight|> and the same in maxtor for 166
[10:24] <calc> pata vs sata is basically the same unless your controller supports tcq/ncq and the drive does too
[10:24] <calc> then sata could be faster
[10:25] <HcE> BlacKnight|: I would go for WD or Seagate
[10:25] <HcE> choose the Seagate if noice is an option
[10:25] <calc> i've seen all brands die
[10:25] <stuNNed> yep, Seagate dies on me a few months ago
[10:25] <calc> ibm, maxtor, wdc, seagate they all die :)
[10:25] <HcE> Maxtor dies the most :P
[10:26] <woody> bob2, I really don't know what is eating up my hard disk space
[10:26] <calc> HcE: ibm died more, thats why they no longer exist
[10:26] <HcE> calc: no, they sold their harddrive division to hitachi
[10:26] <calc> i saw plenty of seagate drives die ~ 1996 as well, but i hear good things about them now
[10:26] <stuNNed> everybody's like 'whoa seagate is the roxor!' welp, my ide seagate died and a friend of mine's ide seagate died as well :/
[10:26] <HcE> and the drives which followed the deathstars (60gxp and 75gxp) were excellent drives
[10:26] <calc> HcE: yes, but that was due to their excessively high failure rate
[10:26] <HcE> 120gxp and 180gxp
[10:27] <HcE> I've never had problems with 120gxp
[10:27] <calc> iirc ibm failure rate was 10x industry average
[10:27] <woody> It does not matter what these hard disks are
[10:27] <woody> It's the same thing
[10:27] <crimsun> all manufacturers have had bad batches
[10:27] <HcE> hihi
[10:27] <woody> Just get a bigger drive
[10:27] <woody> 1000 GB
[10:27] <HcE> and use raid...
[10:27] <calc> crimsun: only with ibm it was entire lines and they shipped knowingly bad drives
[10:27] <crimsun> calc: sadly
[10:27] <calc> which is why they got out of the market entirely
[10:28] <bob2> calc: ah
[10:28] <calc> yea i loved my ibm drives before they died
[10:28] <stuNNed> i remember that with those ibm drives
[10:28] <bob2> woody: doesn't matter, either way
[10:28] <bob2> you just might have to reinstall the ubuntu boot loader
[10:28] <Alessio> does anyone know fetchmail?
[10:28] <stuNNed> imagine getting a 200gb drive with 180gb data on it and it fails!
[10:28] <calc> Alessio: just ask the question we might be able to answer
[10:28] <calc> stuNNed: nice :)
[10:29] <Alessio> if i try: fetchmail -v (it works)
[10:29] <Alessio> if i try: fetchmail -d 10 (it doesn't works, it does'nt download email)
[10:29] <Alessio> i wait but nothing
[10:30] <Alessio> i insert in fetchmailrc: set daemon 10
[10:30] <Alessio> it's the same
[10:30] <stuNNed> calc, just imagining ;)
[10:30] <calc> -d 10 is every 10s
[10:30] <calc> maybe it gets confused
[10:30] <stuNNed> calc, but really what are drives that large for anyways besides pirated material (home use)?
[10:30] <Alessio> fetchamail is in top.. every 2-3 sec but it doesn't download
[10:31] <calc> try setting it to 600 instead (10 min)
[10:31] <HcE> stuNNed: DV cams eat my harddrives
[10:31] <HcE> I got about 600G
[10:31] <stuNNed> HcE, wow!
[10:31] <calc> stuNNed: pr0n!
[10:31] <stuNNed> calc, LOL
[10:31] <HcE> hehe
[10:31] <HcE> stuNNed: 5 mins of DV cam editing quickly eats about 3-4GB
[10:31] <calc> digital video and pictures take a lot of space as well
[10:32] <HcE> so, go figure when you're going to edit a whole tape?
[10:32] <calc> DV is 12 or 18GB/hr i don't remember which
[10:32] <calc> at least i think that was the bitrate
[10:33] <calc> apparently ~ 12GB/hr
[10:33] <calc> 25mbps
[10:33] <HcE> yes
[10:33] <HcE> but my editingsoftware just eats space :P
[10:33] <calc> digicam pictures are usually around 2MB/each
[10:33] <calc> HcE: yea
[10:41] <BlacKnight|> i've had seagates and wds die
[10:42] <BlacKnight|> they both crash and burn
[10:42] <BlacKnight|> i think i've had more seagates die though
[10:43] <K-Rich> hey i need help again, for sure this time
[10:44] <K-Rich> anyone around
[10:44] <dstevens> Hi all
[10:44] <nicedreams> post your question
[10:44] <K-Rich> i had a blackout and now when i try to login my desktop doesn't show and it goes back to the loging screen
[10:44] <K-Rich> what do i do
[10:45] <nicedreams> not too sure, but i'd say reconfigure x
[10:45] <dstevens> the login screen is ok ?
[10:46] <K-Rich> yes, there is an odd error in .xsession-errors though
[10:46] <K-Rich> the login screen is fine
[10:47] <nicedreams> where do i go for a list of nullsoft tv stations?
[10:47] <K-Rich> 
[10:48] <K-Rich> /usr/bin/X11/xsetroot: unable to open display ':0'
[10:48] <K-Rich> and
[10:49] <dstevens> there is a partial list here http://www.scvi.net/tvpls.htm
[10:49] <K-Rich> xrdb: No such file or directory
[10:49] <K-Rich> xrdb: Can't open display ':0'
[10:50] <K-Rich> nicedreams: how do i reconfigure X ?
[10:51] <K-Rich> anyone?
[10:51] <pavkonti> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:52] <nicedreams> xf86configure
[10:52] <nicedreams> or xorgconfig
[10:52] <nicedreams> thx for listing
[10:53] <dstevens> nicedreams no problems
[11:01] <K-Rich> didn't work
[11:01] <K-Rich> :/
[11:01] <pavkonti> where can I find downloaded updates for ubuntu?
[11:01] <bob2> if you mean "packages which apt has cached on your hard drive", /var/cache/apt/archives/
[11:02] <K-Rich> i get no desktop just a orange screen and the cursor and then it goes back to the GDM login screen
[11:02] <K-Rich> damn power went off :/
[11:02] <K-Rich> any ideas ?
[11:03] <s0cks> Hey.
[11:03] <s0cks> ogra.
[11:03] <pavkonti> thanks
[11:03] <s0cks> Or anyone else of Ubuntu scholarship.
[11:04] <s0cks> Ok.
[11:04] <s0cks> nevermind.
[11:06] <bob2> K-Rich: hoary??
[11:08] <[Miles] > hi
[11:10] <[Miles] > is there many differents between using or not the nvidia graphics card driver? (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto)
[11:13] <stuNNed> better display here, at least on laptop, but also slower on laptop
[11:13] <bob2> with thre Free one you get better support, with the binary one ou get 3d acceleration
[11:14] <[Miles] > ok, thanks
[11:16] <will> yeah i have installed the one through synaptic, and i have bad performance
[11:16] <will> (nvidia driver)
[11:50] <woody> bob2, can you help with a non-related Ubuntu question ?
[11:50] <woody> ogra ?
[11:50] <woody> amarnath ?
[11:51] <RuffianSoldier[A> woody
[11:51] <RuffianSoldier[A> what is it?
[11:51] <woody> My network admin is giving us challenge to crack the Administrator's password using a guest account in Windows XP
[11:51] <RuffianSoldier[A> what do you get in return?
[11:51] <housetier> does google get its share too?
[11:51] <RuffianSoldier[A> im going to sleep
[11:51] <RuffianSoldier[A> goodnight all
[11:52] <woody> Well I get to use the Compaq Ipaq and I want to install Ubuntu in it
[11:52] <Lowry> hi all
[11:52] <woody> So anybody has done it, please give me some tips, I want to show that Windows XP is a easy nut to crack
[11:52] <Lowry> Having a problem with a flash drive and ppc ubuntu
[11:53] <Lowry> I am trying to unmout it
[11:53] <woody> Please somebody must have done it or has some ideas on it
[11:53] <woody> Crack XP's Administrator password using a guest account ?
[11:53] <Lowry> But get an error "could not determine the path of device: No such file or directory"?
[11:54] <Lowry> Any help or tips?
[11:56] <will> woody,  cant you use l0pht?
[11:56] <woody> RuffianSoldier, any ideas ?
[11:56] <woody> Well I can't install l0phtcrack using a Guest Account
[11:57] <will> oh of course
[11:57] <woody> How is that possible ?
[11:58] <will> well maybe email the hashes t another machine (ie a laptop on a wireless card in the vacinity, then email it back)
[11:59] <will> otherwise you will have to speak to someone else, because this is a channel for Ubuntu support, not hacking MS passwords
[12:01] <will> okay ppl, restarting brb
[12:01] <spacey`ki> woody, there are rescue's cd's which can reset passwords.
[12:01] <Lowry> rejected 2nd flash drive
[12:01] <Lowry> restarting
[12:01] <Lowry> later
[12:06] <bob2> woody: please  go elsewhere, this is not an approriate topic for this channel
[12:06] <Toastie> Anyone here understands udev?
[12:08] <woody> Ok man
[12:08] <Toastie> Can I create a udev rule that'll merge with a later rule?
[12:08] <woody> Well Windows XP is just as good as Linux in terms of security
[12:09] <stuNNed> woody, ok, thank you drive through.
[12:10] <will> good luck!
[12:11] <woody> Ha, I will be back later after cracking the xp's password
[12:13] <will> ya hah as we say in sweden
[12:18] <rapha> Hi all
[12:18] <rapha> How come Ubuntu doesn't have a -dev package for GAIM? I'm missing gaim.pc and a couple of other things.
[12:19] <sid77> rapha: I think that is because neither debian got one. I need it for trying out otr plugin and it was ok to just download the sources from gaim web site
[12:19] <Cope> Good day; just read the faq - it mentions not being able to install to disk from the live cd; what about from the latest gnoppix cd? Is this poossible, a la knoppix?
[12:19] <rapha> sid77: Well yeah, but that is suboptimal at best.
[12:21] <sid77> rapha: it works, and I haven't to compile it again. the sources have everything needed (at least for that plugin)
[12:21] <rapha> Yeah, I'm compiling it from source now, too.
[12:22] <sid77> rapha: sorry for my english, but I do not compile it!
[12:23] <rapha> sid77: nm.
[12:24] <sid77> rapha: if you need only dev files get the sources and point the plugin stuff to the unpacked sources, it will extract everytihng needed from sources directory
[12:25] <bob2> Cope: if you want to install, use the install cd
[12:25] <rapha> sid77: I wanted to upgrade anyway...
[12:26] <sid77> rapha: ok 8) (but haven't hoary the latest gaim?)
[12:26] <Cope> heh, ok; its just I have the gnoppix cd and don't have the install one; Few hours download should fix that :-)
[12:26] <rapha> sid77: Nope. Not entirely.
[12:29] <stuNNed> mozilla-thunderbird has been out for a few weeks now, any idea when it will make it into ubuntu unstable?
[12:30] <Prasatko> Hello, I have a notebook without CDROM,FDD, and NET. is it possible to install ubunto from HDD? (i can copy all files from cd to hdd, or the whole iso)
[12:31] <bob2> stuNNed: thunderbird is in both warty and hoary
[12:31] <bob2> if you mean 1.0, is it in sid yet?
[12:32] <stuNNed> bob2, not sure let me check
[12:33] <stuNNed> bob2, ah, not yet, wonder why
[12:33] <Guest> hallow
[12:47] <Prasatko> help please. is it possible to install ubuntu from dos?
[12:47] <will> you can use loadlin
[12:51] <Prasatko> will: thanx, i'll try it :)
[12:54] <kuru> I'm trying to figure out this samba thing in ubuntu.. I create a user but I can't seem to find where the password file for samba is stored
[12:55] <kuru> normally named 'smbpasswd' (not the executable binary.. but also the password file)
[12:57] <Prasatko> will: i'm not able to find loadlin.exe, can you help me where it is?
[12:58] <Prasatko> will: ok, i have just found one
[12:59] <will> Prasatko: its no easy thing (from what i have heard) but check out:http://www.eskimo.com/~praxis/loadlin.html
[01:02] <Prasatko> will: ok. i will try it.
[01:03] <will> does anyone know anything about BEEP media player here
[01:04] <housetier> I use it regularly
[01:04] <will> when i click in the playlist add/sub/sel/misc the selections come up in the top left corner of gnome!!
[01:06] <housetier> yep it used to do that
[01:07] <housetier> compile from cvs if you are brave, live with it until updates are available if you are not-so-brave
[01:09] <will> housetier:thanks!
[01:21] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[01:22] <clba1234> just installed ubuntu but installer didnt ask for root password. now i cant become root. whats going on?
[01:23] <Friczy> clba1234: there is no root login in ubuntu by default
[01:23] <clba1234> Friczy, ?
[01:23] <Friczy> the first created user can use sudo <command> with its own password
[01:23] <clba1234> and why?
[01:23] <Friczy> because ubuntu team consider it more secure
[01:24] <clba1234> And how can i activate the root account?
[01:24] <Friczy> you don't need to activate it.
[01:24] <Friczy> you can issue command as root using sudo
[01:24] <clba1234> sudo passwd root?
[01:25] <Friczy> no
[01:25] <Friczy> sudo will ask your password
[01:25] <Friczy> sudo <command>
[01:25] <Bolga> Hi all
[01:25] <clba1234> but i want to change roots password
[01:25] <Bolga> Can you help me... I've just installed Ubuntu
[01:25] <Friczy> clba1234: there is no root password at all, you cannot change it
[01:25] <Bolga> I want copy file to /usr/lib/ But I don't have the access. What to do ? Root ?
[01:26] <clba1234> so there is no user root at all?
[01:26] <Friczy> Bolga: as I said sudo cp <file to copy> <where to copy>
[01:26] <Bolga> I can't log as root either :(
[01:26] <Friczy> clba1234: there is root but you cannot login as root
[01:26] <Friczy> Bolga: just type it
[01:26] <Bolga> ok Friscy
[01:26] <Friczy> and you will see
[01:26] <Bolga> But I've a big range of file to copy :(
[01:27] <clba1234> but i can install x-window with user account?
[01:27] <Friczy> clba1234: with sudo you can
[01:27] <Friczy> clba1234: or with synaptic
[01:27] <clba1234> ill give that a try
[01:27] <Friczy> it asks the root pass at start and you can install whatever you want
[01:27] <Bolga> how to copy folder to folder ?
[01:27] <Friczy> not root. sorry
[01:27] <Friczy> your own pass
[01:28] <Friczy> Bolga: cp -R ....
[01:28] <clba1234> cu
[01:28] <Bolga> ok, cp -r and is taht possible to unzip a file to a folder ?
[01:30] <Friczy> Bolga: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:30] <Bolga> ok thx
[01:31] <will> is there a quicker way to test what you need (dev packages) for compiling?
[01:32] <Friczy> will: are you want to search for a package for a specific file?
[01:34] <will> Friczy: No im compiling, and everytime it asks for an extra lib to be installded, s i install it, then it asks for another....run a gain and so on!
[01:35] <Friczy> will: in this case you only can read the requirements. No quicker method I think
[01:36] <housetier> will what are you compiling?
[01:36] <Bolga> Friscy : It doesn't work : sudo cp -R /home/user/coco/ /usr/lib/games/quake2/
[01:36] <will> beep
[01:36] <will> but i have everything now,and its compiling away
[01:37] <Friczy> Bolga: what is the error message?
[01:37] <housetier> will check out "apt-get build-dep" next time :) it might help a little
[01:38] <will> housetier: dont have build-dep
[01:38] <Friczy> it worsk only if you got the program with apt-get source
[01:38] <housetier> will type "apt-get" and see what says next to "build-dep", between "source" and "dist-upgrade"
[01:39] <housetier> it works if there are build-dep informations available for a given package
[01:39] <Bolga> Can someone help me please, this doesn't work sudo cp -R /home/user/coco/ /usr/lib/games/quake2/ (copy a folder to a folder
[01:40] <will> housetier: how clever! what is thebuild-dep file in the cvs normally calledthen
[01:40] <woody> Hey all
[01:41] <woody> I got the XP's administrator's password from a Guest login !!!!!
[01:41] <Bolga> The copied files do not respect quake 2 fiel tree... And data type are false (a folder is copied as a file)
[01:41] <woody> hurray
[01:41] <housetier> will apt-get only works on repositories, it does get the information from a file, but not just any file on your filesystem
[01:42] <housetier> will apt-get buid-dep will try to find build-dep information about the given package in its database, then download and configure the packages one would need to actually compile the given package
[01:42] <will> ah okay
[01:43] <housetier> will and since bmp is in the repository, chances are that its build-dep information is as well
[01:44] <Bolga> Please, I wanna copy file to /usr/lib/games/quake2/ using ubuntu : How to ?
[01:45] <will> so once i have compiled a program and installed it, can i simply delete the dir with all the source and build in it?
[01:47] <housetier> Bolga try "sudo cp -R /home/user/coco/* /usr/lib/games/quake2/"
[01:48] <Bolga> ok, I try it right now
[01:49] <housetier> will you can, but its not necessary. besides you might want to update soon, keeping the source tree makes the cvs update simpler and quicker
[01:50] <Bolga> Housetier : you're my hero, it worked !
[01:50] <Bolga> Housetier : HAve you ever got Quake2 to work on Ubuntu ?
[01:51] <housetier> Bolga you might have a directory "coco" in /usr/lib/games/quake2 which probably is a leftover from the previous copy attempts. It is my guess you can safely remove this one directory
[01:51] <housetier> Bolga I only play gweled and xpat2
[01:52] <Bolga> Yes, I'm trying to delete /coco/ ... don't find the comand to remove or delete it :(
[01:53] <Bolga> ah, unset, that is
[01:53] <housetier> Bolga the command to delete something is "rm" for remove, rm usually only works on files. however, you can delete a directory and its contents with "rm -r /path/to/the/directory"
[01:53] <housetier> to delete an empty directory use "rmdir"
[01:53] <Bolga> ok
[01:54] <will> housetier: where is the best place to put all this source?
[01:54] <Bolga> Housetier : Do you know qukae2 pakage of Synaptic?
[01:54] <housetier> Bolga or to make things a little easier (maybe), use "sudo nautilus" so you have a file manager which might be easier to handle than the command line
[01:55] <housetier> will I usually add a user to the "src" group and put all kinds of sources in "/usr/src"
[01:55] <Bolga> AHHHHHHHHHHHH... it is what I'm looking for since two days right now !
[01:56] <housetier> will I must tell you I don't have ubuntu installed here, there might be a difference with this group thing
[01:57] <Friczy> will: if your source is downloaded from the 'official' repository then /usr/src, if from another source then /usr/local/src could be better - according to FHS
[01:58] <Bolga> Ok thx !
[01:58] <housetier> good point
[01:59] <will> thanks
[02:02] <Se7h> man this libs need a major update
[02:03] <Cloudchaser> does anyone know..if playing a game in cedega is faster than playing a game with regular wine?
[02:04] <svenl> Hello.
[02:04] <Cloudchaser> hi
[02:05] <Shufla> hello Ubuntiers :>
[02:05] <svenl> I need to rebuild a module for the ubuntu standard kernel, i know in debian you need kernel-build or something such, what is the status of that in ubuntu ?
[02:05] <Se7h> Cloudchaser it is
[02:06] <svenl> (and do anyone have experience with the ralink wireless rt2500 ?
[02:06] <svenl> )
[02:06] <Cloudchaser> i was thinking of trying it out for 3 months
[02:06] <Cloudchaser> but my pc is so old, and its a laptop
[02:06] <Cloudchaser> so the vid gets me every time
[02:06] <Cloudchaser> i can only play old games ;)
[02:10] <Friczy> svenl: the standard way to make a kernel is the same as in Debian as I know
[02:10] <Friczy> svenl: apt-get install kernel-package
[02:10] <Se7h> Cloudchaser u saying u want to pay ?
[02:10] <svenl> Friczy: it is to build modules for the official kernels, not building a kernel.
[02:10] <Se7h> lol
[02:10] <Friczy> svenl: I'm afraid you should recompile the kernel itself with the modules
[02:11] <svenl> Friczy: and thanks, but being the debian powerpc kernel (co-)maintainer, i know about kernel-package.
[02:11] <Friczy> or you can try make-kpkg modules_image
[02:12] <Friczy> but in this case you need the kernel source as well
[02:12] <Friczy> svenl: ok. sorry :)
[02:12] <svenl> Friczy: but it should be possible to build modules with some files from kernel-source tree that was used to build it, in debian it is kernel-headers, and kernel-build, if i remember well.
[02:13] <svenl> kernel-headers being generic, and kernel-build coming with the actual kernel subarch (k7, k8, and so on).
[02:13] <svenl> Wondered if this changed on ubuntu or not, will investigate, but thanks.
[02:14] <svenl> That said, it seems i am lucky, and the ralink wifi stuff got GPLed drivers, altough not very mature ones.
[02:35] <thenuke> any ideas of that how long it would take to clone 80GB HD with dd?   hour? two hours? 48hours? :)
[02:37] <spikeb> never cloned anything before
[02:40] <JD> thenuke: I cloned a 35GB drive, but I left it after an hour or so, so I dont know how long it took
[02:40] <JD> that was a few years ago now
[02:40] <thenuke> ij
[02:40] <thenuke> ok
[02:41] <thenuke> it would be better to use something which can tell you how long it will still run :)
[02:41] <Fator_Dee> umount: it seems /media/cdrom0 is mounted multiple times <- I get this kind of error when trying to unmount my dvd-drive, any tips what I should do to get it unmounted?
[02:48] <hazza96> Who hates the beep and that fact that you need to hit TAB *twice* to show the options on the command line completion?
[02:52] <thenuke> hazza96: the beep is very annoying yes :)
[02:52] <Fator_Dee> edit your profiles if you don't like the beep
[02:59] <maps73> Hy, evrybody
[02:59] <maps73> anyone read me? thanks
[02:59] <svenl> thenuke: try partimage. You can backup partitions over the network, and it has a nice graphical GUI.
[02:59] <maps73> it's the first time for me on irc
[03:00] <spikeb> hi maps73
[03:01] <maps73> hy spikeb, thank you .
[03:01] <maps73> I'm maps from italy and you?
[03:01] <spikeb> maps73, i'm spike from wisconsin USA
[03:01] <pedey> hi there people...
[03:02] <pedey> anyone able to give me some advice on installing ubuntu on MS Virtual PC?
[03:03] <maps73> spikeb, great. this morning i installed on my laptop ubuntu, and now i'm join to ubuntu channel for the first time. spikeb sorry for my english.
[03:03] <spikeb> maps73, well welcome aboard. glad to have you here.
[03:04] <maps73> spikeb, thank you. so, I0m trying to installa the flash player for my mozilla, but I'm not able. I'm trying to apt-get install .....???? but i don't know the right name for the flash modul...
[03:04] <ogra> pedey: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-07.7629841254
[03:05] <Friczy> maps73: As I know there is no flash player in .deb
[03:06] <Friczy> you can download the binary program and install it with its own installer
[03:06] <ogra> Friczy: there is one
[03:06] <Friczy> ogra: hmm.
[03:06] <Friczy> that's new for me
[03:06] <ogra> Friczy: in multi or universe
[03:06] <spikeb> maps73, flash isn't in the default repositories. you have to enable multiverse  - this shows you how http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/view?searchterm=multiverse
[03:06] <pedey> ogra, thanks but I cannot even install ubuntu to get to that prblem :)
[03:06] <pedey> I keep getting an error when intalling the base system
[03:06] <ogra> pedey: sorry, thats all i have .....
[03:06] <Friczy> in this case it should be in multiverse.
[03:07] <etorix> flash-plugin non-free or so
[03:07] <spikeb> good morning ogra
[03:07] <pedey> well thanks for trying
[03:07] <ogra> mornig
[03:07] <maps73> ok, now i try it
[03:07] <ogra> spikeb: hehe, 3pm here (but indeed i just woke up)
[03:07] <spikeb> ogra, hehe
[03:07] <spikeb> maps73, there is an italian ubuntu channel, as well - #ubuntu-it
[03:07] <etorix> synaptic should show it in a search
[03:08] <ogra> flashplayer-mozilla
[03:08] <pedey> I just get the same error message every time I try to install: "Base system installation error"
[03:08] <spikeb> thats it?
[03:08] <spikeb> how...vague of an error message
[03:08] <ogra> nothing more ?
[03:08] <pedey> "the devbootstrap program exited with an error (return value 132)"
[03:09] <pedey> and thats as far as I have been able to get
[03:09] <maps73> ok
[03:19] <pedey> the message log says "No matching physical volumes found"
[03:19] <ogra> pedey: thats what i suspected
[03:20] <pedey> ogra, know how to remedy the prob?
[03:20] <ogra> pedey: but i'm not sure if its the install medium or the target disk yet
[03:20] <pedey> ok - basically, I am running w2k with MS Vitual PC 2004
[03:21] <pedey> and when I am going through the install set up...
[03:22] <pedey> I must screw up on the "Partition disks" section of the installer (comes just before "install the base system")
[03:22] <ogra> pedey: you must screw it up ??
[03:23] <pedey> heh - I must have screwed up
[03:23] <pedey> (the partition section)
[03:24] <pedey> but to be honest i did it without a full understanding of the process
[03:24] <ogra> pedey:you have a virtual disk there, use it like a real one :)
[03:24] <spikeb> i do that all the time
[03:24] <spikeb> lol
[03:26] <ogra> andrea: huh ?
[03:26] <andrea> some great changes
[03:27] <ogra> heh
[03:27] <ogra> andrea: because nobody could pronounce it ?
[03:27] <andrea> andrea: maybe..
[03:28] <ogra> andrea: or did the hidden part of your split personality take over now ?
[03:28] <ogra> *g*
[03:29] <andrea> ogra: i think you're right
[03:29] <ogra> lol
[03:30] <gustavor> has anyone used pymedia with ubuntu?
[03:30] <ZzeCoOl> Hi guys i wanna ask you if there is a way to have the same quality with windows when watcing movies (dvix,vxid) in ubuntu??.My setup is ATi radeon 9700 pro with the latest driver from apt-get (i follow a how to from ubuntu site)
[03:31] <ZzeCoOl> The quality is a total crap instead of Bsplayers quality in windows
[03:31] <ZzeCoOl> plz give me any help
[03:31] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: do you use totem-xine ?
[03:32] <ZzeCoOl> gxine and xine
[03:32] <ogra> and which site did you follow ?
[03:32] <ZzeCoOl> tetom doesnt support xvid
[03:32] <etorix> but ati / linux drivers ..
[03:32] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: totem-xine does
[03:32] <ZzeCoOl> i follow binary insrtallation how to for my vgta driver
[03:32] <ogra> aa: multiple personalitys *g*
[03:32] <aa> ogra: is this any better?
[03:33] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: why dont you use the ubuntu ones ?
[03:33] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[03:33] <ZzeCoOl> driver?
[03:33] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: ati ?
[03:33] <ZzeCoOl> yes
[03:33] <ZzeCoOl> i get it from apt get
[03:33] <ZzeCoOl> so it is ubuntus
[03:33] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: ah, ok
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl> but you must do some more configs
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl> to make it run properly
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl> but this isnt the point
[03:34] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: you followed this ? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl> the point is the quality of xvids
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl> yes yes
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[03:34] <ogra> k
[03:34] <HcE> bad codecs perhaps?
[03:35] <ZzeCoOl> i dont know much with linux
[03:35] <ZzeCoOl> i get xvidlib or something  from synaptic too
[03:35] <ZzeCoOl> is there any optimizitions for the codecs?
[03:35] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: see if you can get w32codecs.....
[03:35] <ZzeCoOl> sould i change them with something better
[03:35] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: its a deb package
[03:36] <ZzeCoOl> ogra
[03:36] <ZzeCoOl> i cant
[03:36] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: xine uses it if its there
[03:36] <ZzeCoOl> i dont have a repository that have them
[03:36] <ZzeCoOl> i dont have a repository that have w32codecs
[03:36] <abelli> ok.. here it is the final work
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl> if you know some plz let me know
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl> im upgrading to hoary right know maybe this one works better
[03:37] <ogra>  ZzeCoOl: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/w32codecs_20040916-0.0_i386.deb
[03:37] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: nope, i dont think so..... you have a lot of breakage in hoary
[03:37] <Prasatko> Help I tried to run Ubuntu install from hdd from DOS (because i don't have any CDROM,FDD or NET), using this "loadlin.exe vmlinuz initrd=initrd.gz root=/dev/ram ramdisk_size=10000 devfs=mount,dall" but it always says "Wrong loader, giving up" is it possible to install it this way
[03:38] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: as its the dev system and changes daily
[03:38] <ZzeCoOl> ohhh yes and something else does xorg in hoary work with ATI?
[03:39] <rituraj> hi room
[03:39] <rituraj> hows everybody
[03:40] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: not with atis drivers
[03:40] <ZzeCoOl> damn
[03:40] <rituraj> just yesterday i purchased new AMD64
[03:40] <ZzeCoOl> i allready start the upgrade
[03:40] <rituraj> i was looking for a OS which supports 64 bit
[03:40] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: so just stop it ? is it still downloading ?
[03:40] <ZzeCoOl> you are looking for kernel that support 64bit
[03:41] <ZzeCoOl> ogra
[03:41] <ZzeCoOl> yes
[03:41] <ZzeCoOl> it still doewnloading
[03:41] <rituraj> any idea how ubuntu runs on amd64...
[03:41] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: then its safe to stop
[03:41] <rituraj> not just kernel
[03:41] <ZzeCoOl> and all the downloaded packages?
[03:41] <rituraj> all app support in 64 bit
[03:41] <ZzeCoOl> how can i delete them?
[03:41] <ogra> rituraj: pretty good
[03:41] <rituraj> :)
[03:41] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: sudo apt-get clean
[03:42] <ZzeCoOl> ok thanx
[03:42] <rituraj> any pointers /reviews online which i can read reg ubuntu on amd64?
[03:42] <ZzeCoOl> or maybe  not
[03:42] <ogra> rituraj: you just have probs with binary compiled stuff for 32bit (flash for example)
[03:42] <ZzeCoOl> hmmmm is there any reason not to upgrade?
[03:42] <rituraj> i wanted first to compile it natively instead of using precompiled binaries....using gentoo or LFS
[03:42] <ZzeCoOl> are everything going wrong in hory?
[03:42] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: despite the ati drivers ?
[03:42] <ZzeCoOl> haory sorry
[03:43] <rituraj> i c
[03:43] <ZzeCoOl> yes
[03:43] <ogra> rituraj: you cant compile flash, there is no source
[03:43] <rituraj> but then gentoo requres too much online downloading to do which i cannot do from my home...and LFS does not support it so i came back to Debian my love
[03:43] <ZzeCoOl> somewhere i read that they are some modified drivers for ATi with xorg
[03:44] <rituraj> and as Ubuntu is based on debian i wud give it a try
[03:44] <rituraj> i c
[03:44] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: there are xorg drivers for ati, but not the ati ones (for 3d and gaming)
[03:44] <rituraj> but i heard abt flash being coipled for 64 bit on a gentoo list
[03:44] <rituraj> compiled
[03:44] <ZzeCoOl> im confused
[03:45] <ZzeCoOl> u mean that you cant run 3d appl?
[03:45] <ogra> rituraj: depends on macromedia....if they offer it.....
[03:45] <magnon> hm, any place I can search the package repositories online?
[03:45] <magnon> 33k modems suck for downloading universe
[03:45] <rituraj> i c...i hate these proprietory s/w makers
[03:45] <rituraj> Ubuntu looks cool
[03:46] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: the binary driver from ati brings mor acceleration, its important for games...the xorg one only has basic suppport for that
[03:46] <rituraj> is anybody realy running ubuntu for amd64 here?
[03:46] <ZzeCoOl> fuck
[03:46] <ZzeCoOl> sorry
[03:46] <ZzeCoOl> **
[03:46] <rituraj> i wanted to know hurdles....regarding SATA drive...installation troubles etc etc if there are any
[03:47] <ZzeCoOl> ogra: someone told me that when the upgrade finished ...it ask you if you want xorg
[03:47] <Creap> rituraj: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html
[03:48] <rituraj> Thks Creap for the link
[03:48] <rituraj> :)
[03:48] <ZzeCoOl> ogra: the w32codecs link that you gave me doesnt working
[03:48] <ogra> rituraj: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-amd64.iso
[03:49] <ACIDnet> im bored!! what can i do/??
[03:49] <ZzeCoOl> jump from the widow
[03:49] <rituraj> but does ubuntu for amd64 detect SATA?
[03:49] <ZzeCoOl> window
[03:49] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: its a single package, not a repo....download the package
[03:49] <ZzeCoOl> ..lol or jump a widow
[03:49] <rituraj> where can i find the documentation?
[03:50] <ZzeCoOl> ogra: i know it doesnt working
[03:50] <ogra> rituraj: look in the wiki, or the mailing list archives......
[03:50] <rituraj> guess i will install and then document it :)
[03:50] <rituraj> oh ok
[03:50] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: it did here just fine
[03:50] <ZzeCoOl> damn
[03:50] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: tried it.... a second ago
[03:51] <rituraj> but i really think that there should be fine doc like gentoo...for ubuntu (a seaparate for amd64 or every platform)
[03:51] <rituraj> i wud love to participate in such activity
[03:51] <ogra> rituraj: there is a installer doc....http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/index.html
[03:51] <rituraj> let me get it wrking on my system
[03:51] <ogra> rituraj: but thats more general....
[03:52] <rituraj> exactly
[03:52] <rituraj> and its under i386
[03:52] <ZzeCoOl> ogra:
[03:52] <ZzeCoOl> can you just dcc it to me
[03:52] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[03:52] <rituraj> :)
[03:52] <ogra> rituraj: shouldnt make much difference for installation
[03:52] <rituraj> thats true
[03:52] <rituraj> i agree ogra
[03:52] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: 11MB ?
[03:52] <ZzeCoOl> hmm
[03:53] <rituraj> but i am talking abt improving the quality and availability of DOC for diff platforms
[03:53] <rituraj> for new / novice users
[03:53] <ACIDnet> hmmm, pc is sounding odd
[03:53] <ACIDnet> i think a fan is gone
[03:53] <ogra> rituraj: everybody would really appreciate if you make a wikipage ..... :)
[03:53] <ACIDnet> or going
[03:53] <rituraj> let me install it out on my pC and then i wud like to devote a time for that
[03:54] <rituraj> sure :)
[03:54] <rituraj> i wud love to thanks
[03:54] <ogra> ACIDnet: finally something against the bordom :)
[03:54] <ogra> +e
[03:54] <ACIDnet> great, toubleshooting a pc
[03:54] <ogra> ACIDnet: better then jumping off windows
[03:55] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[03:55] <ZzeCoOl> it depends if you are speaking abour m$ "Windows"
[03:55] <ZzeCoOl> about even
[03:56] <ogra> i just realised that *g*
[03:56] <ACIDnet> there we go
[03:56] <ACIDnet> that sounds better
[03:58] <ZzeCoOl> ogra there nothing for w32codecs in ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/
[03:58] <ZzeCoOl> how the hell did you downloaded from there?
[03:59] <ZzeCoOl> acidrip and acroread packages only
[03:59] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: i see it, its the pre last package there
[04:00] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: w32codecs_20040916-0.0_i386.deb  	11401 KB  	30.09.2004  	06:44:00
[04:00] <ZzeCoOl> arggar
[04:00] <ZzeCoOl> do you want a print screen of what i can see there?
[04:00] <ZzeCoOl> there is no w32codecs for sure
[04:01] <Benbis> Hello everyone
[04:01] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: i just clicked the url you posted in xchat.....i see it
[04:01] <ZzeCoOl> ogra: neverming thanx anyway i found a mirro in google
[04:02] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: ok.....
[04:02] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: but its strange anyway....
[04:02] <occy> anyone here a guru with /etc/ppp/if-down.local
[04:02] <ZzeCoOl> http://mcormond.jammys.net/packages/xandros2.5/
[04:03] <ogra> occy: you are still on it ?
[04:03] <ZzeCoOl> here but it isnt in your link for sure
[04:03] <occy> Trying to get it to killall -9 epic4     and it's not doing it
[04:03] <Benbis> Does anyone know if there is a driver for the HP dvd writer 300i? I can't install as installation stalls saying it can't mount cd-rom drive.
[04:03] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: it is, for sure
[04:03] <occy> ogra: I got if-up.local working :)
[04:03] <ogra> :)
[04:04] <ZzeCoOl> ogra: try look here  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/
[04:04] <ZzeCoOl> do you see w32codecs?
[04:04] <ogra> yep
[04:04] <occy> wifes home, gotta help with the kiddies.  bbl
[04:04] <ogra> at the bottom of the page....
[04:04] <ogra> two pkgs
[04:04] <ZzeCoOl> omg
[04:05] <ZzeCoOl> this cant be happen
[04:05] <ogra> one from july and one from sept.
[04:05] <zenrox> orga you should actuly make that a repo
[04:05] <ZzeCoOl> how is it posible that i cant see them?
[04:05] <ogra> zenrox: it is one.... but very broken currently
[04:05] <spikeb> you're blinde
[04:05] <spikeb> blind
[04:05] <zenrox> ogra ya if you use hoary
[04:05] <ogra> zenrox: ZzeCoOl only needs w32codecs
[04:06] <spikeb> heh
[04:06] <ZzeCoOl> no problem right now i found them
[04:06] <spikeb> i see them too
[04:06] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[04:06] <ogra> zenrox: nope, for warty....for hoary marillat isnt necessary at all
[04:06] <spikeb> HEH
[04:06] <ZzeCoOl> i cant see im blind then i dond know im confused
[04:06] <Benbis> Okies, guess not.
[04:07] <ogra> Benbis: is it a scsi drive ?
[04:07] <Benbis> No, it isn't
[04:07] <ogra> Benbis: plain IDE ?
[04:07] <ogra> Benbis: should work
[04:08] <ogra> Benbis: a burned iso ? or a ordered cd ?
[04:08] <Benbis> burned iso
[04:08] <zenrox> Benbis,  might be bad iso
[04:08] <ogra> Benbis: at which speed did you burn ?
[04:08] <Benbis> 16x
[04:09] <ogra> Benbis: you should do not faster then 4x
[04:09] <zenrox> 8x max
[04:09] <Benbis> Okies, thanks. I'll try that and retry
[04:09] <Benbis> bbl if it doesn't work. Thanks.
[04:09] <ogra> Benbis: and how did you burn it ?
[04:09] <zenrox> n/p
[04:10] <zenrox> morning bender__
[04:10] <Benbis> nero. Straightforward image burn
[04:10] <ogra> Benbis: ah, ok, we have many ppl here that drag n drop the iso to nero
[04:11] <Benbis> okies. I`ll try the slower burn and retry installing. bbiab
[04:11] <Benbis> thanks for the help
[04:12] <davmor2> does anyone know a way of play avi file on a 64bit system
[04:13] <ogra> davmor2: totem-xine ?
[04:14] <davmor2> ogra do I need any codecs or will they be built in
[04:14] <spikeb> yeah you need the win32 codecs
[04:14] <davmor2> can't downlod them
[04:14] <davmor2> they don't show up
[04:15] <ogra> spikeb: no win32 codecs for 64bit :p
[04:16] <spikeb> what, 64 bit software isnt smart enough to read 32 bit codecs?
[04:16] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[04:16] <ogra> davmor2: basic avi support should be in.....if you need extra codecs you need a chroot environment for them
[04:16] <ogra> spikeb: these are windows compiled 32bit binarys.....
[04:16] <davmor2> orga what the hell is chroot
[04:17] <davmor2> ogra even I'm still reatively new to linux
[04:17] <ogra> davmor2: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30095/16/Debian-amd64-HOWTO.html#chroot
[04:18] <ogra> davmor2: its like a system inside the system.....
[04:18] <spikeb> heh
[04:18] <spikeb> good thing im sticking to 32 bit stuff for a while
[04:19] <davmor2> ogra ta
[04:35] <TUXedo> hi
[04:35] <TUXedo> i need to mount ntfs disks
[04:36] <TUXedo> but if i try, Gnome says that i dont have permission to view the disk content
[04:37] <TUXedo> can somebody help me with that?
[04:37] <ogra> TUXedo: do you mount with an fstab entry ?
[04:37] <ogra> you must give the umask option to mount....
[04:37] <TUXedo> yes, i've set it with user,noauto,ro
[04:38] <TUXedo> umask?
[04:38] <linkmark> I just installed ubuntu on my test pc, but the installer is so limited ):
[04:38] <ogra> let it lookk like this: user,noauto,ro,umask=000
[04:39] <ogra> linkmark: it has an expert and a custom mode....
[04:39] <TUXedo> umask doesnt work
[04:39] <TUXedo> at least the way i inserted it...
[04:39] <ogra> TUXedo: it does for hundreds of ppl
[04:39] <bohrbug> does xmltv exist for ubuntu. Googling suggests that it does (in universe), but I can't find it using apt
[04:39] <TUXedo> then im doin it completely wrong
[04:40] <linkmark> ogra: yes, but i still think it's quite limited. The installation instead, was very smooth. without any problem.
[04:40] <ogra> TUXedo: show the complete fstab line
[04:40] <TUXedo>  /dev/hda5 /media/WindowsXP auto   ro,user,noauto,umask 0 0
[04:40] <TUXedo> is that correct?
[04:40] <ogra> TUXedo: nope
[04:40] <TUXedo> oh...
[04:40] <ogra> TUXedo:  /dev/hda5 /media/WindowsXP ntfs  ro,user,noauto,umask=000 0 0
[04:41] <HcE> umask=222 ? You can't write to ntfs anyway
[04:41] <ogra> HcE: and its mounted ro anyway ;)
[04:41] <TUXedo> i gonna try it, wait a second
[04:42] <ogra> so it doesnt really matter....
[04:42] <HcE> nope
[04:42] <HcE> or, when you copy files it does matter
[04:42] <HcE> maybe 022 would be preferable?
[04:42] <ogra> hmm, but 000 works just fine....
[04:42] <HcE> sure
[04:42] <xare> hello
[04:42] <TUXedo> IT WORKS!
[04:42] <TUXedo> THX
[04:43] <ogra> :)
[04:43] <HcE> but everything you copy will be writable for everybody
[04:43] <xare> I have been trying too get the live cd to work and it gives me an Error 21
[04:43] <TUXedo> thats not the problem for my home computer
[04:43] <ogra> HcE: ah, ok, forgot that.....i will advise 022 in the future
[04:43] <xare> and does not boot
[04:44] <ogra> TUXedo: but thats the way windows got where it stands now ;)
[04:44] <ogra> xare: did you try the different boot options ?
[04:44] <TUXedo> actually i dont have to know, but what does this umask command mean? Is it something with file permissions?
[04:45] <xare> ogra: it offers no options to me
[04:45] <ogra> TUXedo: yep....it masks them with the user rights you gave it
[04:45] <xare> It says
[04:45] <ogra> xare: there is a bootmenu
[04:45] <ogra> afaik
[04:45] <xare> I know
[04:45] <xare> But in my laptop it does not reach there
[04:46] <TUXedo> ok, i wont disturb you further guys
[04:46] <TUXedo> thx again
[04:46] <ogra> TUXedo: welcome :)
[04:46] <formula8> what is colin watson's nick?
[04:46] <TUXedo> :)
[04:47] <xare> It says: Boot CD-Rom: Non-Emulation Booting // Loading stage1.5 //GRUB loading, please wait...//Error 21
[04:47] <xare> In another computer I had no problems
[04:47] <xare> I booted with it no prob.
[04:48] <ogra> xare: hmm, some laptops have weird bioses...is it a dell ?
[04:54] <xare> it is an acer
[04:57] <ogra> xare: i dont know to much about acer...dell is well known for breaking bioses, but probably acer now follows them
[04:57] <xare> could it be my grub loader?
[04:58] <ogra> xare: i dont think so if the cd worked on other systems
[05:06] <zaeem> hi bob2
[05:07] <zaeem> hi all
[05:08] <zaeem> hey guys..
[05:08] <zaeem> everybody asleep?
[05:12] <occy> anyone here know how  /etc/ppp/if-down.local works?  I need to know if it is executed AFTER poff.wvdial kills ppp or before.
[05:12] <occy> I can't find a man page on it.
[05:12] <occy> and google seems to provide little help
[05:14] <occy> I have:  su - c "epic -b -n nick -c \#somechan irc.someserver.com" nobody  in /etc/ppp/ip-up.local   and that works fine
[05:17] <gir_> hi, which program do people like to use for burning cds and dvds?
[05:17] <Fator_Dee> growisofs
[05:17] <Fator_Dee> for dvds
[05:18] <gir_> Fator_Dee: is that gtk, or does it have a frontend?
[05:20] <bronson> gir_: k3b is probably the easiest/most capable.
[05:20] <bronson> It's what I use.
[05:20] <bronson> But I've heard good things about gcoaster.
[05:20] <gir_> bronson: okay thanks,
[05:20] <gir_> bronson: I'll check those out
[05:20] <Fator_Dee> well, it's not that hard to use growisofs even if it is a console program
[05:20] <zaeem> hey guys
[05:20] <zaeem> hey bob2
[05:21] <zaeem> i just upgraded to hoary and now i cant install mono in it
[05:21] <gir_> Fator_Dee: yeah while i'm fine with the other users are very new to nix
[05:21] <gir_> Fator_Dee: yeah while i'm fine with that, the other users are very new to nix
[05:22] <linuxjones> hi everybody Merry Christmas
[05:23] <ogra> linuxjones: hi, same to you :)
[05:23] <linuxjones> hi ogra :)
[05:24] <ogra> linuxjones: even you are a little late.....
[05:24] <linuxjones> I have been busy doing the family thing
[05:24] <twinsoul> does anybody know if k3b is gonna be supported in hoary(seen it writen by someone somewhere in ubuntu forums)
[05:24] <ogra> heh, i worked around this this year
[05:25] <ogra> twinsoul: nope, never
[05:26] <ogra> twinsoul: there wont be any qt based software ain main, only in universe....but there is the kubuntu project for kde lovers
[05:26] <ogra> -a
[05:26] <zaeem> hey can any one help me with installing mono in hoary?
[05:26] <gir_> bronson: did you mean groaster?
[05:27] <maps73> hy, could anyone try lookingGlass3D on ubuntu?
[05:27] <twinsoul> i'm not kde lover.as ametter of fact i'm not even using GNU/Linux,just getting informed before i mess my pc
[05:28] <florian> hi
[05:28] <linuxjones> hi florian
[05:28] <gir_> twinsoul: go for it, but you will have to learn a couple of things as you go along
[05:28] <ogra> twinsoul: you cn install k3b, its there but it will never be a supported app as its qt based
[05:28] <florian> i'm trying to install ubuntu but it's not so simple :( many problems... more than with debian :(
[05:29] <naibed> hi
[05:29] <linuxjones> florian, what kind of problems ?
[05:29] <ogra> twinsoul: the plan is to use the upcoming bruning functionallity in rhythmbox for audio and the already existing data burning in nautilus
[05:29] <florian> it begins to freeze with "starting hotplug subsystem" ... as i read on the web i try a "alt-sysrq-e" to continue
[05:30] <ogra> florian: what kind of HW =
[05:30] <florian> after that it freezes when trying to install packages
[05:30] <ogra> ?
[05:30] <florian> msi megapc
[05:30] <linuxjones> florian, it locks up solid  or jsut slows down ?
[05:30] <florian> solid
[05:30] <linuxjones> florian, how old is that mobo ?
[05:30] <florian> i bought it for christmas :)
[05:31] <ogra> florian: is it from a burned iso or a shipped ubuntu cd ?
[05:31] <florian> ogra : a burned one
[05:31] <linuxjones> florian, so it is a new or has the model been around for a while ?
[05:31] <ogra> florian: at which speed did you burn ?
[05:31] <florian> ogra : 48x
[05:31] <florian> lifeless: it's not so new
[05:31] <ogra> florian: should be bewtween 4x and 8x
[05:31] <florian> ogra: why ?!?
[05:32] <ogra> florian: becaue else you can get read errors :)
[05:32] <ogra> florian: there is an option to check the media in the boot options, try that
[05:32] <twinsoul> does anybody use mldonkey(just wanna know if it works beforehand)
[05:33] <ogra> twinsoul: i dont use it, but know some ppl and it works there :)
[05:33] <twinsoul> ogra: thks
[05:33] <gir_> what do you guys think is a minimum amount of ram to fun ubuntu and gnome?
[05:34] <ogra> gir_: 128 is hard to use, but works 256 is recommended
[05:34] <gir_> this box is a bit sluggish, with 128mb (non-ddr)
[05:34] <linuxjones> gir_, 128 is not really enough
[05:34] <ogra> gir_: as i said, hard to use ;)
[05:35] <gir_> ogra: i agree, i'll update when i get a chance
[05:35] <gir_> 512 ddr would be nice
[05:35] <rattboi> gir: I'm using a similar setup
[05:35] <rattboi> but it's just for fun
[05:36] <rattboi> I may get more RAM soon though
[05:36] <rattboi> it's hard to find old PC100 ram though :(
[05:36] <gir_> yeah it's okay for browsing email etc, but oo and scribus are far too sluggish
[05:36] <rattboi> anyone know where to get cheap PC100 ram?
[05:36] <rattboi> what's scribus?
[05:37] <gir_> rattboi: are you at school university? ask the it dep. they're always throwing stuff out here
[05:37] <gir_> rattboi: it's a desktop publisher
[05:37] <rattboi> gir_, nope, not at uni
[05:38] <rattboi> most people use xchat?
[05:38] <ogra> gir_: the prob is that scribus pulls in ll the qt libs.....they need plenty of extra space in your ram
[05:38] <ogra> all
[05:39] <ogra> rattboi: i do
[05:39] <gir_> ogra: what's an ll?
[05:39] <rattboi> I'm wondering if there's a way to do like MDI like mIRC does
[05:39] <ogra> gir_: i corrected it in the next line ;)
[05:39] <rattboi> so I can have all the windows tiled instead of tabbed
[05:39] <gir_> ogra: :)
[05:40] <ogra> rattboi: never tried that, i'm fine with tabbed
[05:40] <gir_> ogra: so scribus is a qt app?
[05:40] <ogra> gir_: afaik yes
[05:41] <rattboi> ogra: me too, sometimes
[05:41] <rattboi> but I've been running like 5 windows
[05:41] <rattboi> and it's annoying switching between, even with keyboard
[05:43] <biezt> hi ?
[05:43] <gir_> does anyone know a good way to manage mp3 and ogg track tags using rhythmbox as music player?
[05:43] <biezt> is ubuntu a good linux to start with ?
[05:43] <naibed> gir_, use amarok :P
[05:44] <ogra> biezt: yep
[05:44] <biezt> and which should i down for a pentium 2 ?
[05:44] <gir_> naibed: okay i'll take a look, thanks
[05:44] <ogra> gir_: rb isnt able to edit tags currently
[05:44] <biezt> so it boots from cd
[05:45] <biezt> plz :P
[05:45] <ogra> biezt: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[05:45] <rattboi> boots from cd?
[05:45] <rattboi> you mean live cd?
[05:46] <ogra> then it would be this: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-live-i386.iso
[05:46] <ogra> biezt: the first one installs to disk, the second runs from cd
[05:46] <ogra> biezt: but they both _boot_ from cd
[05:47] <flodin> why does ubuntu tie distro releases to specific versions of applications, rather than continuously providing updates of individual applications as new versions become available? (e.g.: firefox 1.0)
[05:47] <ogra> flodin: thats wrong, ubuntu ties to a schedule
[05:48] <ogra> flodin: so you get whatever is available on distro freeze
[05:48] <rattboi> flodin, there's just not isos for the most recent stuff
[05:48] <rattboi> you can update to the newest stuff easily enough
[05:48] <ogra> not if you want to stick to a stable full supported system
[05:49] <rattboi> no, that's true
[05:49] <rattboi> but hoary's funner :P
[05:49] <flodin> ogra: i'm not sure what the difference is between that and what i said, but still, why do they do that?
[05:49] <ogra> i.e. if you use it in your company setup
[05:49] <rattboi> flodin, what would you prefer?
[05:49] <rattboi> isos every time a program gets updated? :P
[05:50] <ogra> flodin: because its a way to guarantee a 6 months release cycle... all other ways wouldnt work
[05:50] <flodin> rattboi: no need for isos, just put the new deb package up on the main repository
[05:50] <maps73> Hy, could anyone help me to install a new windows manager? thanks
[05:50] <rattboi> flodin, all the newest stuff usually means unstable
[05:50] <rattboi> is that ok with you?
[05:50] <ogra> flodin: it would need testing and support
[05:51] <rattboi> also, can you name a distro that does what you're saying?
[05:51] <ogra> flodin: which would burn valuable dev time from the upcoming release
[05:51] <flodin> ogra: but don't the application developers already do this? Are you saying that ubuntu feels firefox 1.0 is a less stable program than 0.9?
[05:51] <ogra> flodin: yes, it was when warty got stable
[05:51] <zenwhen> flodin, it isnt so hard to compile firefox yourself.
[05:52] <zenwhen> ;)
[05:52] <rattboi> very not hard
[05:52] <rattboi> I did it and I'm a retard
[05:52] <zenwhen> see>
[05:52] <zenwhen> :P
[05:52] <flodin> ogra: yes but i mean now. Why does it take time from developers to put the deb package for 1.0 out now, if they're going to be putting that on the next iso anyway
[05:52] <ogra> flodin: i.e. many probs with https based homebanking apps javascript was versy broken etc
[05:52] <rattboi> flodin, because that's the stable branch
[05:52] <occy> are there any good apps like ytalk or talk based on gnome?
[05:53] <flodin> zenwhen: no, but as a general solution that makes it hard to keep track where files are put on your filesystem if you want to remove the package later
[05:53] <zenwhen> ogra, If I am not mistaken it also broke internationalazation, which defeated the whoe POINT of Ubuntu.
[05:53] <ogra> flodin: because stable means it wont recieve upadates that aer not critical...so they can concentrate on testing and developing the next stable relaese
[05:53] <zenwhen> flodin, checkinstall; probelm solved
[05:53] <ogra> zenwhen: yep :)
[05:54] <flodin> ok.
[05:54] <rattboi> flodin, like ogra says, constant updates and support would be a bitch! :)
[05:54] <flodin> doesn't really need to be supported
[05:54] <ogra> eapecially in such a short release cycle
[05:55] <ogra> flodin: but thats the point of main....everything in there _is_ fully supported
[05:55] <zenwhen> If people want new software versions, it is SO EASY to get them.
[05:55] <flodin> ogra: ok
[05:55] <zenwhen> Hell, if nothing else you can download the precompiled version for linux from mozilla.org
[05:55] <zenwhen> it works perfectly
[05:56] <flodin> zenwhen: yeah, it's not a problem with firefox since it sits pretty neatly in a directory of its own
[05:56] <ogra> flodin: so you can talk to your CTO and suggest him to use it in a company .... something thats impossible with debian
[05:56] <zenwhen> Myself, I just instaled the debian .deb, but I am naughty.
[05:56] <zenwhen> ;)
[05:56] <flodin> in my case i need the very latest version of gcc, but i prefer to keep everything else stable and supported
[05:57] <ogra> flodin: you could recompile it from the hoary source package
[05:57] <zenwhen> why do you need the latest gcc?
[05:57] <rattboi> flodin, what for?
[05:57] <rattboi> btw, is the newest 3.4.4?
[05:57] <flodin> rattboi: compiling my own project
[05:57] <ogra> flodin: said making your own backport.....
[05:57] <zenwhen> oh
[05:57] <pmfp> I hope y'all a'h happy now, ain't gonna be no win no moh'
[05:58] <rattboi> if I could find my osx disks, I'd dual boot this system
[05:58] <rattboi> but alas, I can't find them
[05:58] <flodin> rattboi: i believe it is yes, i don't remember
[05:58] <rattboi> yeah, I use 3.4.2, I believe
[05:58] <rattboi> for my project
[05:59] <rattboi> but that's ARM-based, so completely different
[05:59] <flodin> well the front end is still the same
[05:59] <flodin> and that underwent huge changes between 3.2 and 3.3 iirc
[05:59] <flodin> for c++ that is
[05:59] <flodin> they replaced the entire parser
[06:00] <rattboi> I know the backend in 3.4 changed a lot for ARM
[06:00] <rattboi> some awesome guy did a whole new float lib
[06:00] <rattboi> it's like 10x faster
[06:00] <ogra> flodin: on warty: gcc-3.4 - The GNU C compiler, cpp-3.4 - The GNU C preprocessor, whats your prob ???
[06:01] <ogra> flodin: its just not the default
[06:01] <flodin> ogra: no problem so far i'm just seeing that this could become a problem in the future
[06:01] <ogra> flodin: being 6 months outdated , oh come on...
[06:02] <rattboi> ogra, sometimes it matters
[06:02] <ogra> flodin: if you need bleeding edge you _can_ use hoary
[06:02] <zenwhen> ogra, he means when the internet stops existing and apt-get becomes worthless and we are all nomadic software devs praying for the internet to come back again.
[06:02] <flodin> ogra: if your source doesn't compile it doesn't matter if it's just a week outdated
[06:02] <ogra> heh
[06:02] <flodin> oh well
[06:03] <rattboi> if you can't get your code to compile, you're probably doing something pretty hacky
[06:03] <flodin> i didn't come here to ask about gcc specifically, i just used it to exemplify my concerns. I got my questions answered
[06:03] <zenwhen> If you need the latest version of verything dished up to you on a silver platter five seconds after release, gentoo might be a good idea.
[06:04] <pdaoust> hey, has anybody had experience with Firefox segfaulting when you go to a page with an exotic language, like Japanese?
[06:04] <zenwhen> I speak for myself though.
[06:04] <flodin> zenwhen: i've tried various distributions including gentoo, and i like that a lot. Its package system has some design flaws though that haven't been fixed yet
[06:04] <pdaoust> flodin: what sort of design flaws does Portage have? I loved it when I used Gentoo
[06:05] <ogra> flodin: just for the record, ubuntu is totally tied to the gnome release schedule.... all the bellding edge stuff is always in the unstable branch....so you could always easily backport anything by recompiling it
[06:05] <flodin> ogra: then why am i running 2.7 and not 2.8? :)
[06:05] <ogra> flodin: dunno, what have you done to your system ? on the relaes cd is 2.8
[06:06] <flodin> pdaoust: use flags are not inherited by dependencies. Let's say you set +real for mplayer to get realplayer support. It's not going to compile, because it depends on win32codecs which must also be compiled with +real for things to work
[06:06] <flodin> pdaoust: so you have to manually set +real on both packages. Doing that all manually is not a solution that works in the long run
[06:07] <flodin> ogra: i just inserted the which i downloaded today
[06:07] <flodin> *inserted the CD
[06:07] <pdaoust> flodin: ah, I getcha... but, if I'm not mistaken, dependency checking for USE flags is on the slate for one of the next versions of Portage, if it hasn't already arrived...
[06:07] <ogra> flodin: gmm, where did you get it ?
[06:07] <flodin> ogra: well build then. It downloads the dll and unpacks it. If you don't have +real it doesn't put the real player codec on your system
[06:07] <pdaoust> so nobody's had Firefox crash on a Japanese page, eh?
[06:08] <ogra> flodin: ah, ok...i was just courios....but then its only packaging...ok
[06:08] <flodin> ogra: ubuntu site
[06:08] <flodin> bbl, phone
[06:09] <pdaoust> I hate all these niggling bugs that seem to have no cause... not that I hate the bugs, because I know that as a programmer, my software has tons of bugs that need to be eradicated one-by-one... I just hate not knowing why these programs do these things... "Firefox segfaulted" isn't a very helpful error message ^_^
[06:09] <Ribs> pdaoust, I doubt many people here visit japanese pages...
[06:09] <ogra> Ribs: except the japanese ppl :)
[06:09] <pdaoust> Ribs: even Megatokyo, which doesn't actually have Japanese characters, crashes, because its encoding is ShiftJIS
[06:09] <ogra> pdaoust: give us an url to check it
[06:09] <Ribs>  User Match Matching '*!*@*.jp'
[06:09] <Ribs>  |   - No matches. -
[06:09] <Ribs> so I guess that's nobody...
[06:10] <ogra> Ribs: what about .net .com .org ?
[06:10] <pdaoust> http://megatokyo.com/
[06:10] <Ribs> pass, pass and pass
[06:10] <ogra> Ribs: i.e. try a whois on me ;)
[06:10] <pdaoust> worked fine until (?)
[06:10] <pdaoust> (i.e., I don't remember -- maybe I upgraded Firefox to 1.0... but downgrading it to 0.99 doesn't solve the problem)
[06:11] <Ribs> pdaoust, Works fine here
[06:11] <ogra> pdaoust: funny drawings :)
[06:11] <Ribs> also, it appears to be in English
[06:11] <pdaoust> Ribs: yeah, the whole site's in English; I don't know why he bothered setting the encoding to ShiftJIS
[06:11] <pdaoust> good comic
[06:12] <pdaoust> but it is a serial, so you kinda have to start at the beginning...
[06:13] <florian> another pb with the install : during the second step of the installation i've this error : "unable to look up public/pickup : no such file or directory"
[06:14] <ogra> florian: did you reburn it at slower speed ?
[06:14] <pdaoust> florian: does this bring the installation to a halt, or can you continue?
[06:14] <pdaoust> hm, Firefox doesn't seem to have a debugging flag that you can pass to it at the command-line.
[06:14] <ogra> looks like the postfix pkg is broken
[06:16] <florian> pdaoust : ... to a halt and i can do a "ctrl-c" and retry with aptitude but i've the same error
[06:16] <pdaoust> florian: weird
[06:16] <pdaoust> happens every time?
[06:16] <pdaoust> because, inexplicably, sometimes the install CD worked great for me when I simply rebooted
[06:17] <ogra_dogwalk> florian: the postfix package seems broken this can be caused by a broken media, did you reburn at a slower speed, as i suggested....there were many ppl having similar probs caused by to fas burning speed
[06:19] <pdaoust> Does anyone know how to turn on the bug-reporting tool for Firefox (TalkBack or whatever it's called)?
[06:21] <florian> ogra_dogwalk: ok i will try to test the media at boot time and reburn another one ! thx
[06:23] <drspin> could someone tell me about the NTFS driver that ubuntu ships with?
[06:24] <dseomn> drspin: what about it?
[06:25] <drspin> dseomn: can it be trusted for read and write; the Read portion of it works well
[06:25] <dseomn> drspin: don't use it to write, you'll break stuff
[06:25] <dseomn> drspin: reading if fine though
[06:26] <drspin> is there a way for me to write to my NTFS partition?
[06:26] <spikeb> yes
[06:26] <spikeb> use windows
[06:27] <drspin> spikeB - no way
[06:27] <jaye> hi
[06:28] <dseomn> drspin: there's a way to use the windows ntfs driver with wine and a modified kernel
[06:28] <drspin> dseomn: kind of defeats the idea of not using windows huh?
[06:28] <dseomn> drspin: it only works on x86_32 though (I think there are plans for _64)
[06:28] <jaye> I can't get this to work with my radeon 7500.  I got a flgrx driver but it doesn't work with 7x
[06:29] <dseomn> drspin: it's a windows driver in GNU/Linux
[06:29] <drspin> ... sounds unstable and shady...
[06:29] <drspin> but it's OK -
[06:29] <dseomn> drspin: you're right
[06:29] <drspin> as soon as I get a big enough USB drive this partition is gone
[06:30] <drspin> Reiser4!!
[06:30] <drspin> I just have 50Gb of data that I need to move :/
[06:31] <jaye> does anyone know what I can do? Or am I just screwed?
[06:32] <florian> ogra_dogwalk: the cd seems to be valid -> i do an integrity check with the installer :(
[06:34] <biezt> what's the live cd version ?
[06:35] <theNeonGod> hal won't mount my external usb hd... no problem, i can do it manually, but even though i have the hd plugged in its not showing up in /dev/. there's a lengthy /var/log/messages entry when i plug the thing in, if that has anything to do with it... any ideas?
[06:37] <vegai> *fear*
[06:37] <vegai> just installed Ubuntu to a windows-prevalent place
[06:38] <punkrockguy318> *fear*
[06:38] <punkrockguy318> upgrading from warty to hoary.. hope nothing breaks
[06:38] <ogra_dogwalk> punkrockguy318: heh
[06:38] <ogra_dogwalk> lol
[06:38] <ogra_dogwalk> hahaha
[06:38] <punkrockguy318> i'll be suprised if nothing breaks
[06:39] <ogra> punkrockguy318: yep.... you should open a bottle of champaign if you dont need to touch anything.....
[06:39] <punkrockguy318> ogra, lol
[06:39] <punkrockguy318> i'm not too concerned, i don't need to do anything important on this PC
[06:40] <punkrockguy318> how far is it from the hoary freeze?
[06:40] <ogra> punkrockguy318: but most stuff geos smooth... xorg and the new gnome can be a (solvable) prob
[06:40] <spikeb> quite far
[06:40] <punkrockguy318> ogra, oh well
[06:40] <ogra> punkrockguy318: i think there is a schedule on the wiki
[06:40] <punkrockguy318> oh okay
[06:40] <punkrockguy318> 99%...
[06:41] <punkrockguy318> i'm used to stuff breaking
[06:41] <punkrockguy318> arch broke quite often
[06:41] <gir_> i got the ide cables in my box backwards and now the harddrive is hdc and the cd is hda. I'd like to switch them, anything i'd need to do first?
[06:42] <theNeonGod> can anyone tell me why this is happening after i plug in my usb external hd?:
[06:42] <theNeonGod> Dec 27 12:40:22 localhost hal.hotplug[6331] : timout(10000 ms) waiting for /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:01:09.3/usb5/5-6/5-6:1.0
[06:42] <theNeonGod> Dec 27 12:40:22 localhost usb.agent[6352] :      usb-storage: already loaded
[06:42] <theNeonGod> there's no /dev identity for it when it gets to this point
[06:42] <punkrockguy318> is linux 2.6.10 in hoary yet?
[06:43] <mkrubel> evolution 2.0.2 isn't rendering some html email for me.  has anyone else noticed this?
[06:44] <gir_> mkrubel: mozilla thunderbird / lightning is very good if you want to try that
[06:45] <mkrubel> gir_, I've just set up evolution with all the folders and spent a day teaching someone how to use it
[06:45] <punkrockguy318> gir_, is lightning released yet?
[06:45] <flodin> it takes one minute and 30 secons before nautilus displays a window on my freshly installed warty system. Any ideas why?
[06:45] <flodin> *seconds
[06:45] <mkrubel> I don't have time to repeat the process with thunderbird, though I agree it's a good client
[06:45] <ogra> flodin: dma prob ?
[06:46] <gir_> punkrockguy318: i'm not using it, thought so.
[06:46] <flodin> ogra: i's not accessing the disk. time says: real 1m36.633s user 0m0.258s sys 0m0.44s
[06:46] <gir_> mkrubel: fair enough
[06:47] <flodin> and everything else starts just fine
[06:48] <biezt> what is the minimum spec for ubuntu ?
[06:49] <mkrubel> I have the exact same version of evolution on my laptop and it works fine.  Maybe if I delete the evolution folder?
[06:49] <ogra> flodin: migrated your home from a former install ?
[06:49] <flodin> ogra: no i wiped all the partitions before installing
[06:49] <ogra> hmm, no ides then
[06:49] <ogra> idea
[06:50] <ogra> flodin: didnt you say you got 2.7 ?
[06:50] <flodin> yeah i was wrong. That's why i started nautilus to double check. Some other gnome app said its version was 2.7.something, i assumed they all changed to 2.8 with the new gnome release
[06:50] <ogra>  Keyb: hehe incognito .....
[06:51] <jats-> hmhm
[06:51] <Keyb> ogra: nah, just not killed the screen yet
[06:51] <jats-> here again :>
[06:51] <Synek> hi
[06:51] <ogra> ahh
[06:52] <jats-> anyone got any idea why my installer says that some kernel modules (ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, ide-floppy) are missing, and won't start the partitioner?
[06:52] <jats-> i can enable swap and access the cdrom though
[06:52] <jats-> it's the old ibm thinkpad i was talking about yesterday :P
[06:52] <ogra> jats-: ugh... still the same prob?
[06:53] <jats-> yep
[06:53] <flodin> heh this time it took 4m42s
[06:53] <ACIDnet> thats a point - why doesnt ubuntu make a SWAP partition??
[06:53] <flodin> oh yeah, gnome-terminal says 2.7.3
[06:53] <jats-> i thought it might have been a cd-rom problem, not reading the whole cd-rom
[06:53] <gir_> mkrubel: fair enough
[06:53] <gir_> i got the ide cables in my box backwards and now the harddrive is hdc and the cd is hda. I'd like to switch them, anything i'd need to do first?
[06:53] <jats-> but this time i'm installing with a new plextor usb cd-rw/dvd-rw drive i got from work
[06:54] <jats-> so it's not a cd-rom read problem :P
[06:54] <mkrubel> removing and reinstalling evolution feels like voodoo, but I guess I'll try that
[06:54] <jats-> The "detect hardware" step of the custom-expert install fails
[06:55] <ogra> ACIDnet: it didnt ? mine all did....
[06:55] <punkrockguy318> uh oh... lots of conflicts on this upgrade... how they resolve
[06:56] <steve_noob> Hello World!
[06:56] <steve_noob> I am writing this from the Live CD
[06:57] <matthieu> cool
[06:57] <steve_noob> Just one question though?  Is there anyway to install Ubuntu from the Live CD?
[06:57] <jats-> hmhm
[06:57] <jats-> "find / | grep ide-mod" returns nothing :P
[06:58] <ogra> steve_noob: nope, not on this version :(
[06:58] <jats-> anybody wanna check their warty install cd?
[06:58] <jats-> run a find | grep ide-mod and tell me if it's there :P
[06:58] <jats-> do i have a bad cd or something
[06:59] <ogra> jats-: i guess that is stored in a udeb and only unpacked during the install process
[07:00] <jats-> ah
[07:00] <jats-> well, wtf can i do about this :P
[07:01] <ogra> sorry, no idea this is a very weird setup you got there....
[07:01] <jats-> in /var/log/syslog it reads "user.notice hw-detect: Detecting hardware..." and then "user.notice hw-detect: Missing module 'ide-mod'" and so on
[07:02] <ogra> jats-: as said yesterday , 32MB has never been tested....even if it _could_ work
[07:02] <ogra> jats-: if its in an udeb , there is probably not enough space to unpack......
[07:02] <jats-> hmm
[07:02] <jats-> that could be the case.
[07:03] <steve_noob> You know what would be an excellent idea for the next release?
[07:03] <punkrockguy318> steve_noob, what?
[07:03] <ogra> steve_noob: yep, we have a list
[07:03] <ogra> :)
[07:03] <steve_noob> A live CD that actually includes the option to install :)
[07:03] <jats-> i really don't want to do debian on this :P
[07:03] <ogra> steve_noob: as i said .... its planned
[07:03] <steve_noob> Kewl
[07:04] <ogra> steve_noob: but first a ppc livecd is the goal....
[07:04] <steve_noob> So then I downloaded the live CD anyone know how I can get the installable version?
[07:05] <steve_noob> FYI the live CD is working excellent on my Sony Vaio PCG-FXA53 Laptop :)
[07:05] <ogra> steve_noob: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[07:05] <steve_noob> Thanks
[07:06] <ogra> steve_noob: also on an ancient vaio pcg f707 here ;)
[07:06] <jats-> nothing newer than my ibm thinkpad 380xd p233mmx is ancient! ;>
[07:06] <steve_noob> Neat, BTW my computer has a bugged BIOSof some kind that has caused every distro I've tried thus far to panic, crap itself and die
[07:07] <ogra> jats-: ok, i already got 600Mhz here
[07:07] <jats-> though i doubt the livecd would run on my thinkpad ;>
[07:07] <ogra> jats-: hehe, did you try it ?
[07:07] <jats-> no :)
[07:08] <steve_noob> This one just said something like "Hey there might be something wierd with your BIOS,you might want to try using nopnpbios at the boot loader
[07:08] <steve_noob> Very cool
[07:09] <flodin> ogra: a reboot seems to have fixed the problem
[07:09] <ogra> flodin: good :)
[07:14] <twogood> hi! are there any pre-packaged 2.6.10 kernels available for ubuntu? or for debian that works on ubuntu...
[07:15] <spikeb> no
[07:15] <martin_> how do i find out what hardware i have in my computer?
[07:16] <martin_> (through linux)
[07:16] <ogra> martin_: device manager
[07:16] <martin_> ogra, it doesnt say much..
[07:16] <ogra> martin_: on the commadline: lsusb, lspci, free, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[07:18] <rapha> Hi all
[07:18] <ogra> hi rapha
[07:18] <rapha> Is there still no audio cd burning application for Ubuntu/GNOME?
[07:18] <martin_> ogra, it seems that almost everything i have is nforce2 something
[07:18] <martin_> most stuff is unkown
[07:22] <spikeb> rapha, yup
[07:22] <rapha> spikeb: How is it called?
[07:22] <ogra> rapha: rhythmbox will have it eventually
[07:23] <spikeb> rhythmbox's next release will have it, apparently the cvs version already does
[07:23] <ogra> the question is, will it be in time for hoary.....
[07:24] <spikeb> they dont seem to have a developmental release out for gnome 2.9.x so i am doubting so
[07:24] <ogra> martin_: what aer you looking for  ?
[07:24] <rapha> Oh
[07:24] <rapha> CVS does?
[07:25] <ogra> rapha: have fun compiling ;)
[07:25] <spikeb> rapha, also, a program named coaster can do it
[07:25] <ogra> no audio in coaster yet
[07:25] <rapha> ogra: Shoudln't be too hard, should it?
[07:25] <ogra> dunno, didnt try
[07:25] <rapha> spikeb: I got that installed. It doesn't do Audio CDs.
[07:26] <ogra> rapha: did you build debs from coaster ?
[07:26] <spikeb> says it does here
[07:26] <spikeb> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=287
[07:26] <ogra> spikeb: thats PR ;)
[07:28] <rapha> spikeb: It _will_.
[07:33] <ZzeCoOl> is there any way to execute some commands every time Gnome starts?
[07:33] <ZzeCoOl> where i must put them
[07:33] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[07:33] <Gwildor|Work> start them....exit gnome, and save your session on exit
[07:33] <Gwildor|Work> oh...sorry....commands
[07:34] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[07:34] <Gwildor|Work> sorry
[07:34] <Gwildor|Work> NVM
[07:34] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[07:34] <ZzeCoOl> no problem
[07:34] <ZzeCoOl> i want to execute smbmount every time i login in gnome
[07:34] <twogood> is there anything with http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html that differs between ubuntu and debian?
[07:34] <ZzeCoOl> i dont want to do this at boot time cause i dont have access then to write
[07:35] <ZzeCoOl> nevermind
[07:35] <Gwildor|Work> ok :)
[07:35] <ZzeCoOl> is there something like bat file in linux
[07:35] <Gwildor|Work> idk......
[07:36] <ZzeCoOl> i want to write a script that run some commands and then i know how to start it
[07:36] <dkg> hi
[07:36] <dkg> how to install mplayer?
[07:36] <twogood> ZzeCoOl: a shell script
[07:36] <dkg> I lost the URL you told me :(
[07:36] <ZzeCoOl> twogood: synttax plz?
[07:36] <Gwildor|Work> dkg........check restrictedformats on the wiki
[07:36] <Gwildor|Work> dkg,
[07:36] <ZzeCoOl> plain text with what extention?
[07:37] <twogood> ZzeCoOl: http://www.freeos.com/guides/lsst/
[07:37] <ZzeCoOl> ok
[07:37] <ZzeCoOl> thanx
[07:38] <spikeb> be nice if muine would get burning as well already
[07:39] <mcthorogood> hi all, anyone able to print to a Windoze printer from Firefox?
[07:40] <abelli> mcthorogood: may be you need samba?
[07:40] <mcthorogood> cabbie: I installed samba, and set up printer via Computer|System Configuration|Printing
[07:41] <mcthorogood> and I was able to print a test page
[07:41] <drspin> spike: I think I like Muine -- if only it would handle the file management as wekk
[07:41] <drspin> *well
[07:44] <cabbie> mcthorogood: how is samba? allows you to print on lan with windows boxes?
[07:46] <drspin> where are the backgrounds stored in ubuntu?
[07:46] <mcthorogood> cabbie: printing works okay in Debian, but not in Ubuntu
[07:46] <pmfp> ogra: more powerful ( ;) )
[07:47] <dseomn> drspin: /usr/share/backgrounds
[07:47] <drspin> ty :)
[07:47] <cabbie> mc*good: you mean printer isn't working at all?
[07:47] <ogra> pmfp: hmm, i doubt using a server for client things is _any_ useful
[07:48] <mcthorogood> cabbie: test page prints okay, but not from a browser
[07:48] <pmfp> ogra: note the smiley
[07:48] <ogra> yep i saw it....
[07:48] <ogra> ;)
[07:48] <cabbie> mc*good: even the postscript testpage prints ok?
[07:49] <ogra> pmfp: just wanted to point out very clear that its absoultely nonsense to install samba for accessing a windows share or printer
[07:49] <rapha> Okay, the standard Rhythmbox CVS of today doesn't have CD burning, for everybody interested.
[07:49] <pmfp> ogra: roge'a
[07:49] <mcthorogood> yep, PS is okay, but when I try to print PS default from Firefox, no luck
[07:50] <mcthorogood> ogra: I just install Ubuntu the other day, I see that CUPSYS, SWAT, etc have been disabled
[07:51] <ogra> mcthorogood: cupsys isnt disabled
[07:51] <mcthorogood> sorry, the admin task has been disabled
[07:51] <cabbie> mc*good: I use mozilla; does firefox allow you to set "Print Command"?
[07:52] <ogra> mcthorogood: isnt the gnome admin tool enough ? works with all printers i tested like a charm
[07:52] <steve_noob> How does one go about changing themes in Ubuntu?  Most specifically I would like to change the window decorations color scheme
[07:52] <mcthorogood> ogra/cabbie: thanks
[07:52] <ogra> steve_noob: use the theme manager
[07:53] <steve_noob> Which is located where?
[07:53] <ogra> steve_noob: Computer->Desktop Settings->Theme ?
[07:53] <steve_noob> TYVM
[07:54] <drspin> is there  a way to graphically set the permissions of a folder recursively?
[07:55] <cabbie> has debian completely deprecated lpr for printing?
[07:56] <ogra> cups it the way to go, but lpd is still in the archives....
[07:56] <cabbie> my problem has been trying to get rhsprintfilters for the old lpr system
[07:57] <ogra> cabbie: why do you use redhat stuff in ubuntu ?
[07:57] <rapha> Everybody look-y at this for audio CD burning: http://www.dropline.net/optimystic/
[07:58] <cabbie> am running debian 3.0, but migrated from mandrake -- old habit
[07:58] <ogra> rapha: ive seen it .... i think coaster is further....
[07:58] <drspin> do directories require an execute permission?
[07:58] <rapha> ogra: Well, Coaster doesn't do audio cd's yet.
[07:59] <ogra> drspin: for dirs: x = axess... so if you want to access them, yes
[07:59] <drspin> ogra: thanks
[07:59] <ogra> rapha: optymistic neither
[07:59] <SeFoKumA> re
[07:59] <rapha> ogra: Have you tried it?
[08:00] <ogra> rapha: i read a mailconversation with one of the authors... and a guy from the -devel ML has contacted them iirc
[08:00] <rapha> Oh okay
[08:01] <ogra> rapha: i think coaster will be the best option, especially because we can get rid of cdrecord then
[08:01] <rapha> Yeah
[08:01] <rapha> Just that it doesn't do Audio CDs yet.
[08:01] <rapha> And telling my girlfriend the syntax of cdrecord isn't a viable option.
[08:02] <ogra> rapha: i think it is lacking a bit of manpower
[08:02] <ogra> rapha: k3b would be an workaround/option
[08:02] <rapha> Urgh.
[08:02] <rapha> Even I don't understand half of its "UI".
[08:02] <ogra> rapha: i know :(
[08:03] <rapha> I think I'll keep looking for that Rhythmbox patch.
[08:03] <jaye> When I boot ubuntu I have a mouse, black screen, and a few lines of color at the top.
[08:03] <jaye> Any ideas?
[08:03] <rapha> What color jaye?
[08:03] <rapha> Grey?
[08:03] <ogra> rapha: i wrote a little mp3 burning app myself, but its not ready for wide spreading yet (rather alpha)
[08:03] <jaye> some red lines, purple lines, etc
[08:04] <rapha> ogra: Wanna let me try it out? :)
[08:04] <ogra> rapha: http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/
[08:04] <rapha> jaye: Sounds ungood. Sounds like your graphics card had a problem. Does it happen every time you boot?
[08:04] <jaye> yes
[08:04] <jaye> It happend last time and I followed the instructions on support and it made it worse
[08:04] <jaye> I have an ATI Radeon 7500.
[08:04] <rapha> Hmm
[08:05] <jaye> Site told me to use fglrx but that's not compatable with this card.
[08:05] <ogra> jaye: and I followed the instructions on support ???
[08:06] <jaye> Yeah, I searched for driver info.  Found a page in the faq for ati cards but it's not for my card.
[08:06] <ogra> jaye: which kind of support ? where ?
[08:06] <jaye> ubuntulinux.com
[08:06] <ogra> jaye: this one ? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:07] <jaye> yes
[08:07] <rapha> ogra: Lol, in 1982 I was just born :)
[08:07] <ogra> rapha:  :) hehe
[08:07] <jaye> fglrx isn't for 7500
[08:07] <jaye> So that page is wrong where it says "you know your card model begins with "7" etc
[08:07] <ogra> jaye: i saw ppl with fglrx and 7500
[08:08] <ogra> jaye: but i think it doesnt apply to all of them
[08:08] <jaye> I followed those instructions and it wouldn't get out of the command prompt.
[08:08] <jaye> came up saying error and gave me an error report about display
[08:08] <ogra> jaye: is the fglrx module loaded ?
[08:08] <rapha> ogra: Is Pimp written by you?
[08:09] <ogra> rapha: yep
[08:09] <rapha> Looks cool.
[08:09] <jaye> not anymore, I reinstalled
[08:09] <rwabel_> has anyone an idea how I can tell firefox to use an external videoplayer instead of internal?
[08:09] <rapha> Just the cursive font... but that might be a personal dislike.,
[08:09] <ogra> jaye: and after reinstall you got this probs ? in a defualt install ?
[08:09] <jaye> yes
[08:09] <jaye> both installs were default.
[08:09] <ogra> rapha: thanks
[08:09] <jaye> and both have the same problem.
[08:10] <ogra> jaye: what did you reinstall, i seem not to undersatnd you....
[08:10] <jaye> ubuntu
[08:10] <jaye> I wiped the drive and reinstalled the os.
[08:11] <ogra> jaye: and it doesnt come up with a corrct X configuration driectly after install ?
[08:11] <jaye> no
[08:11] <jaye> black screen with some colorful lines at the top
[08:11] <jaye> and a mouse
[08:12] <jaye> I know when I boot knoppix from a live cd (what I'm on now because ubuntu won't boot) I have to type fb1024x768 or I won't see anything.
[08:12] <ogra> jaye: try ctrl-alt-(numpad +/-) if it changes smth
[08:12] <jaye> ok
[08:12] <jaye> Is there a way to shutdown safely when I can't see anything?
[08:13] <ogra> jaye: (switches the resolution)
[08:13] <jaye> I tried all the function keys to get back to the command line and various combinations.
[08:13] <jaye> Well, I'm just asking so that if it doesn't work I can shutdown safely.
[08:13] <ogra> jaye: ctrl-alt-f1 gets you to a console, log in there and you can do: suso reboot
[08:13] <jaye> ok
[08:14] <jaye> thx I'll be back and tell you how it goes.  I really appreciate the help.
[08:14] <ogra> jaye: if you want back to X ...
[08:14] <jaye> k
[08:14] <ogra> jaye: you use ctrl-alt-f7
[08:14] <jaye> ok
[08:14] <jaye> ty
[08:14] <twogood> where can I find the .config file  used to build the ubuntu kernel packages?
[08:14] <jaye> I'll be back in a bit and see if I can change the res.
[08:15] <chitiri> how can i get a login for launchpad ?
[08:15] <budgester> hi, anyone had any luck getting the atmelwlan driver working ?
[08:15] <ogra> twogood: in /boot (or in the source/headers packages, they are preconfigured)
[08:15] <ogra> chitiri: create a login on the wiki
[08:15] <rapha> ogra: All your packages show up as "NOT AUTHENTICATED" in Synaptic.
[08:16] <ogra> rapha: hehe, because they are warty packages ;)
[08:16] <twogood> ogra: thanks!
[08:16] <rapha> Oh
[08:16] <rapha> Okay
[08:16] <ogra> budgester: just loading the atmel module from the ubuntu kernel isnt enough ?
[08:18] <budgester> trying to set up a Belkin F5D6020 PCMCIA Nic, and the wiki points to the sourceforge project page
[08:18] <ogra> budgester: whick wiki page ?
[08:18] <ogra> which
[08:19] <Frafraxy> hi all
[08:20] <ogra> budgester: i think atmel_cs should work for you
[08:20] <budgester> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[08:20] <Frafraxy> i haven't version.h
[08:20] <budgester> so just 'sudo modprobe atmel_cs'
[08:21] <Frafraxy> in /usr/src/linux/include/linux/
[08:21] <ogra> budgester: yep, it will complain if it doesnt work
[08:21] <Frafraxy> why?
[08:21] <ogra> Frafraxy: which source package did you install ?=
[08:22] <rapha> Hmm
[08:22] <rapha> MrBurns looks cool. But cdrecord won't do what MrBurns tells it to do.
[08:22] <Frafraxy> i'm trying to install ati drivers
[08:22] <Frafraxy> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[08:22] <Frafraxy> file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h
[08:22] <budgester> ok, got the module loaded, now how to set up a connection with it ?
[08:22] <ogra> Frafraxy: so why dont you just use the package ?
[08:23] <budgester> i'll try the howto directions
[08:23] <jaye> there is absolutely no response from the keyboard.
[08:23] <ogra> budgester: no errors ?
[08:23] <budgester> nope
[08:23] <jaye> can't even turn on num or caps lock
[08:23] <ogra> great :)
[08:23] <Frafraxy> i've download the .rpm, converted in .deb, installed with dpkg but i can't make
[08:23] <ogra> Frafraxy: aaargh
[08:23] <budgester> nope, no errors and it shows in lsmod
[08:24] <ogra> Frafraxy: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:24] <Frafraxy> k
[08:24] <jaye> I've got 2 errors something about modprobe looking for some pci thing and no permissions.  hotshot or hotspot
[08:24] <ogra> budgester: ggod, then try the network tool from the Computer menu or edit /etc/network/interfaces to your needs
[08:24] <Frafraxy> it doesn't funct
[08:25] <ogra> jaye: pciehp ?
[08:25] <ogra> Frafraxy: ???
[08:25] <jaye> ogra, that sounds about right I suppose.
[08:26] <jaye> ogra, I should've written it down I figured I could remember the name.
[08:26] <ogra> jaye: you can safely ignore them
[08:26] <budgester> Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0.
[08:26] <jaye> I figured.
[08:26] <Frafraxy> it doesn't work
[08:26] <budgester> is the error i get when i sudo'ifup wlan0
[08:26] <jaye> I tried ctrl alt num + or -
[08:26] <ogra> jaye: its a weird way of saying: there is no such hardware
[08:26] <jaye> but there's absolutely no response from the keyboard
[08:26] <ogra> Frafraxy: it works for hundrets of ati users...why not for you ?
[08:26] <jaye> couldn't get back to the commandprompt, couldnt' toggle caps or num lock, anything
[08:27] <Frafraxy> boh
[08:27] <ogra> jaye: strange
[08:27] <Frafraxy> i will retry
[08:28] <jaye> however, I could move the mouse.
[08:28] <jaye> but clicks didn't do anythin
[08:28] <ogra> Frafraxy: you need four commands: 1) sudo apt-get install linux-686 (or whatever your cpu is)
[08:28] <ogra> Frafraxy: 2) sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver
[08:28] <ogra> Frafraxy: 3) echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[08:29] <ogra> Frafraxy: 4) sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (assuming you didnt already touch the config)
[08:29] <jaye> I did that with my card and hten after that it wouldn't even go into x
[08:29] <ogra> Frafraxy: 5) reboot
[08:29] <ogra> jaye: your card is somewhat different
[08:30] <jaye> my card doesn't work with anythin
[08:30] <ogra> jaye: to get a working X you could use the vesa driver
[08:30] <jaye> this is day 3 of linux installing
[08:30] <jaye> most of day 1 and 2 was downloading and burning iso images.
[08:30] <ogra> jaye: it is not fast, but at least you get X
[08:30] <rwabel_> why does firefox always want to open a video either with a plugin? I woul
[08:30] <jaye> I want something comparable to windows.
[08:30] <rwabel_> would like to open it with an external program
[08:31] <jaye> I was told my numerous people linux is better all round.
[08:31] <ogra> jaye: blame ati.....they dont release the specs for their hw... so nobody can write drivers
[08:31] <jaye> I've got fedora discs, but I read that fedora is unstable.
[08:31] <rattboi> jaye, better is relative
[08:32] <rattboi> sometimes it depends on how much time you want to spend on it
[08:32] <rattboi> for ease-of-use, linux is not better than windows
[08:32] <rattboi> I mean, at least initially
[08:32] <crimsun> that depends.
[08:32] <ogra> jaye: and the shipped ones by ati may or may not work with your 7500
[08:32] <crimsun> I find X Windows generally more intuitive than Windows
[08:32] <jaye> The driver disc for my ati card doesn't even work on windows.
[08:32] <jaye> had to download them
[08:33] <ogra> lol...ati
[08:33] <ogra> what a silly company
[08:33] <jaye> I hate this card... but it is 64mb and my only other option is 16mb
[08:33] <crimsun> what is your 16 MB card?
[08:34] <jaye> Diamond fusion
[08:34] <crimsun> what chipset is that?
[08:34] <jaye> or something like that.
[08:34] <jaye> let me go look
[08:34] <crimsun> I've owned many Diamond-branded cards in the past
[08:34] <ogra> crimsun: hey my evo just recieved you gpg key.....(you are not trusted ???)
[08:34] <crimsun> Monster/Viper[II] 
[08:34] <jaye> crap it's in another computer
[08:35] <crimsun> ogra: it should be signed by at least 2 people
[08:35] <jaye> monster fusion
[08:35] <jaye> That's what it was called
[08:35] <ogra> crimsun: but it seems not enough for my trustbd....
[08:35] <ogra> :(
[08:35] <Frafraxy> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:35] <crimsun> ogra: hmm.
[08:35] <ogra> crimsun: its yellow...
[08:36] <jaye> The live cd's I used were so awesome.
[08:36] <crimsun> ogra: sorry, I'm not familiar with the colour terminology
[08:36] <jaye> but getting the real deal is a bitch.
[08:36] <ogra> crimsun: in evo green is any level of trust...yellow means i just can get the key from the server....
[08:36] <rattboi> well, I guess I'm gonna sleep now
[08:37] <jaye> ogra, can you think of anything else I can try?
[08:37] <crimsun> jaye: ah, the Banshee? That's not too much better. :/
[08:37] <jaye> crimsun, I don't think it was called banshee.  All I really know is it's old as dirt.
[08:37] <ogra> jaye: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 .... and switch to vesa
[08:38] <crimsun> jaye: the Fusion uses the 3Dfx Banshee chipset
[08:38] <ogra> jaye: you could also try svga
[08:38] <jaye> but it'll be slow right?
[08:38] <IRCMonkeykjl> I neeed help with serial mouse... can anyone?????
[08:39] <jaye> wtf does this knoppix livecd use because it works perfect
[08:39] <IRCMonkeykjl> pleazse anyone... I neeed help with serial mouse...
[08:39] <ogra> jaye: vesa
[08:39] <IRCMonkeykjl> ???
[08:40] <ogra> IRCMonkeykjl: install gpm, configure it and the do a sudo  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ... to make X use the gpm emulated device
[08:41] <budgester> hi, nope still no joy.
[08:41] <budgester> with the wireless nic
[08:41] <IRCMonkeykjl> what is gpm please...
[08:42] <ogra> IRCMonkeykjl: a mouse driver for serial mice at the console....
[08:42] <jaye> here goes nothin
[08:42] <budgester> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device, when i try ifup wlan0
[08:42] <ogra> IRCMonkeykjl: it has a very good detection tool (better then X for serial mice)
[08:43] <ogra> budgester: how did it work with the network tool, did you try that first ?
[08:43] <IRCMonkeykjl> ok but how to instaall  gpm??? from shell or use the X graphic  tool???
[08:44] <budgester> yer, didn't find the hardware, it find it in devices but doesn't seems to have any network info
[08:45] <budgester> IRCMonkeyjl: you tried sudo apt-get install gpm ?
[08:46] <budgester> ogra: so the question really is how to make sure the system knows it is a network card
[08:46] <IRCMonkeykjl> no! I didn't know about gpm.. actually it is displeasing that ubuntu starts graphically and can't support a serial mouse!!
[08:46] <budgester> cos the onboard lan card in this lappy works fine
[08:46] <Frafraxy> who can help me?
[08:47] <Frafraxy> apt-get is destroyed!
[08:47] <ogra> IRCMonkeykjl: thats unfotrunately the nature of serial mice....the autoprobing is very critical on serial ports
[08:47] <IRCMonkeykjl> Thanks ogra and budgester.....
[08:47] <ogra> budgester: the atmel should too....
[08:47] <IRCMonkeykjl> Your help was precious....
[08:47] <ogra> budgester: do you use WEP ?
[08:48] <budgester> ogra: no the access point is set as open on channel 11
[08:48] <ogra> hmm...
[08:48] <pmfp> Okay, I can accept that Ubuntu wouldn
[08:48] <Frafraxy> do you know if exist a script to do this?
[08:48] <budgester> ogra: and i would expect to see the card registered in network without even getting a connection
[08:49] <pmfp> wouldn't install root and /boot to a RAID partition yet, but why the h*ll didn't I get to enter root pw?!
[08:49] <ogra> Frafraxy: try sudo apt-get -f install
[08:49] <cpark> Hey all, I have a question from my father-in-law (gave him Ubuntu for Xmas) this is regarding a NIC.
[08:49] <budgester> something odd going on me thinks
[08:49] <pmfp> feels great with one console and no root to solve it with
[08:49] <ogra> budgester: yep
[08:49] <pmfp> (note: console, not x)
[08:49] <Frafraxy> orga: it always comes back at the same point
[08:50] <ogra> pmfp: sudo works on the console too
[08:50] <okti> where is cd player device file?
[08:50] <pmfp> ogra: I have not entered any password for root and I want su
[08:50] <okti> in /dev/cdrom
[08:50] <okti> ?
[08:50] <Frafraxy> it has a problem with the driver
[08:50] <flodin> pmfp: use sudo
[08:50] <cpark> Anyway...he installed ubuntu on a spare machine this morning. The machine has an onboard Gigabit NIC (yeah, spare...ick, anyway)...he skipped setting it up on install for whatever reason and now when he goes into the network section it won't detect his nic...any ideas?
[08:50] <ogra> pmfp: use sudo with your pw...thats the policy
[08:51] <ogra> pmfp: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:51] <Jaxalot> Hmm, my Ubuntu setup is locking up on a laptop.
[08:51] <Frafraxy> orga: do you know how I can resolve it?
[08:51] <Jaxalot> Warty, 4.10
[08:51] <pmfp> ogra: I will later locally change that policy. However, like I said, I have NOT entered a password at all
[08:51] <ogra> Frafraxy: with: sudo apt-get -f install
[08:52] <Frafraxy> orga: it always comes back at the same point
[08:52] <ogra> pmfp: root is disabled
[08:52] <ogra> Frafraxy: you call that with no other options, just  sudo apt-get -f install
[08:52] <Frafraxy> orga: it doesn't resolve anything.
[08:53] <ogra> Frafraxy: thats the repair yourself command
[08:53] <pmfp> now ain't this grand... I'm gonna hack my box... this freakin' sucks
[08:53] <ogra> pmfp: huh ?
[08:53] <pmfp> ogra: get a root shell, that's all
[08:53] <ogra> pmfp: sudo -s
[08:53] <cpark> So, no one has any ideas regarding my NIC issue?
[08:54] <rapha> Whoa, has anybody ever played Soldier of Fortune 1 in "Unfair" mode?
[08:54] <Frafraxy> orga: can i delete manually the file that it will don't problem?
[08:54] <flodin> pmfp: the root account is disabled. The possibility for doing things as root isn't. Like we said, use sudo.
[08:54] <jaye> YOU PEOPLE RULE
[08:54] <rapha> Gives you 3 new enemies for every one you kill or something..
[08:54] <flodin> pmfp: no need to "hack your box"
[08:54] <ogra> Frafraxy: yust run this command and let apt remove the broken packages....
[08:54] <jaye> it works it works it works
[08:54] <rapha> pmfp: Or just open Applications > System Tools > Root Terminal
[08:54] <jaye> and it only took two or three days.
[08:54] <ogra> jaye: :)
[08:55] <ogra> rapha: console
[08:55] <rapha> oh
[08:55] <rapha> okay
[08:55] <dcarro> cpark: shell out the $7 for a new nic?
[08:55] <rapha> pmfp: I've added myself to /etc/sudoers as being allowed to use sudo without a password
[08:55] <jaye> What kind of video card do you recommend I get for optimum performance?
[08:55] <ogra> rapha: i hope you used visudo
[08:55] <rapha> jaye: Some NVidia
[08:55] <pmfp> flodin: since I didn't get a password for root, yes I do
[08:55] <rapha> ogra: Sure :)
[08:55] <flodin> pmfp: USE SUDO
[08:56] <cpark> Haha...I certainly wouldn't mind that...but convincing my father-in-law (who I've just convinced to try Linux) to buy a new NIC...well...I doubt he'd be impressed with Linux...and a new gigabit NIC would hardly be $7.
[08:56] <Frafraxy>  /var/cache/apt/archives/fglrx-driver_2.6.8.1.3-4_i386.deb
[08:56] <Frafraxy> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:56] <pmfp> flodin: IT ASKS FOR A PASSWORD AND I DON'T HAVE ANY. CAN'T YOU READ?! IF I JUST PRESS ENTER IT DROPS OUT AND DOESN'T DO ANYTHING
[08:56] <ogra> pmfp: log in with your account, type sudo -s, give _your_ pw and you got a rootshell
[08:56] <flodin> pmfp: use your own password
[08:56] <pmfp> flodin: mind if we don't use caps?
[08:56] <Frafraxy> pmft: sudo passwd
[08:56] <jaye> What's NIC?
[08:56] <ogra> pmfp: YOUR PASSWORD; WHY ARE YOU SHOUTRING ?
[08:56] <dcarro> what chipset does the gigabit nic use?
[08:57] <pmfp> ogra: responding in the same tone as flodin
[08:57] <budgester> Network Inteface Card
[08:57] <flodin> pmfp: i felt the need to yell since i had to repeat myself three times
[08:57] <dcarro> jaye: Network Interface Card
[08:57] <flodin> and you ignored me the first two times
[08:57] <jaye> oh, cool
[08:57] <ogra> pmfp: sudo uses your user pw
[08:57] <pmfp> ogra: thank you!
[08:57] <Frafraxy> it doesn't work!
[08:57] <Friczy> flodin: then don't repeat asking just read.
[08:57] <melazyboy> when you mount an image what if the filesystem type iso####?
[08:57] <Friczy> Frafraxy: sudo <command>
[08:57] <jaye> Does wine work on ubuntu?
[08:58] <Friczy> system will ask for your password
[08:58] <flodin> Friczy: huh? I was answering, not asking
[08:58] <ogra> pmfp: ;)
[08:58] <Frafraxy> sudo apt-get -f install
[08:58] <Friczy> give the user password
[08:58] <Frafraxy> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:58] <cpark> dcarro: The chipset for the gigabit NIC is...*checking*
[08:58] <rapha> ogra: "Shoutring", interesting word.
[08:58] <Friczy> flodin: sorry
[08:58] <ogra> rapha: lotr *g*
[08:58] <Friczy> i missed the names
[08:58] <melazyboy> anyone have an answer?
[08:58] <rapha> :-)
[08:59] <melazyboy> filesystem type for a common cd image, its iso8896?
[08:59] <Friczy> melazyboy: -t iso
[08:59] <Friczy> is this an iso image file?
[08:59] <ogra> melazyboy: 9660
[08:59] <dcarro> k
[08:59] <ogra> melazyboy: but for mounting Friczy is right
[08:59] <cpark> dcarro: chipset is  Intel Pro/1000 MT  in a Del Prec650
[08:59] <rapha> Oki doods, I'm gonna fix meself a pasta. Anybody else want some?
[09:00] <melazyboy> Bah its outputing wrong fs type. bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop1, missing codepage or other error
[09:00] <ogra> rapha: yep
[09:00] <dcarro> cpark, DP83820 chipset?
[09:00] <Friczy> melazyboy: what do you want to do? to mount an iso file as a drive?
[09:00] <rapha> Will mushroom sauce be fine ogra ?
[09:00] <melazyboy> Friczy: Yes
[09:00] <cpark> dcarro: *nods*
[09:00] <ogra> rapha: sure
[09:00] <ogra> :)
[09:00] <rapha> Goody then
[09:00] <Friczy> melazyboy: mount -o loop -t iso <imagefile> <mountpoint>
[09:00] <dcarro> cpark, right on...i gotta jet.  later
[09:00] <Frafraxy> it doesn't work
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> hi all.
[09:01] <ogra> yay
[09:01] <budgester> just had a thought, the fact on boot, the network is brought up before the pcmcia service, is this a possible problem
[09:01] <budgester> with a pcmcia nic
[09:01] <ogra> budgester: call it a known bug...
[09:01] <melazyboy> Friczy: When i use that command it says unknown file system 'iso' when i use iso9660 i get that other error message?
[09:02] <budgester> ogra: and I name that bug "Fred"
[09:02] <Friczy> melazyboy: that's funny.
[09:02] <ogra> melazyboy: why do you mount loop1 ?
[09:02] <Frafraxy> who can help me?
[09:02] <ogra> melazyboy: is there already something mounted on loop0 ?
[09:02] <Friczy> modprobe iso can help
[09:02] <melazyboy> ogra: I dont mount loop1, the mount point is /mnt/image
[09:02] <ogra> budgester: hey, thats my dogs name :)
[09:02] <Friczy> melazyboy: what is the command exactly?
[09:03] <melazyboy> Friczy: The command or error?
[09:03] <Friczy> the command.
[09:03] <Friczy> and after the error
[09:03] <bender__> WHO TOOK MY NAME!
[09:04] <ogra> Frafraxy: post the complete output you get to the channel #flood please
[09:04] <melazyboy1> mnt/rwserv/uas/The.Incredibles.FRENCH.TS-ReEnc-DiVx-GGT-PRDX/Kinsey.LiMITED.DVD.SCREENER.SVCD-TheFly/tf-ksva # mount -o loop -t iso9660 ./tf-ksva.bin /mnt/image/
[09:04] <pmfp> okay, got up x too, nice
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> how do i add variable in auto replace function of xchat??
[09:04] <Friczy> melazyboy: just -t iso
[09:04] <Friczy> not iso9660
[09:04] <ogra> melazyboy1: thats not an iso
[09:04] <budgester> just found atmelwlandriver-tools
[09:04] <budgester> install and reboot time
[09:04] <ogra> melazyboy1: looks like a vcd
[09:04] <pmfp> noticed that it runs on vt7, how do you switch to that? the alt+ctrl+f[x]  didnt work
[09:05] <Friczy> heh. you cannot mount a vcd, that's true
[09:05] <melazyboy1> mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso'
[09:05] <melazyboy1> mount: maybe you meant 'iso9660'?
[09:05] <ogra> pmfp: normally f7.... hmm
[09:05] <pmfp> (I am in X... but in case Id be running around in consoles too)
[09:05] <melazyboy> ogra: If its not an iso how do i mount it, its a binary copy of a dvd
[09:05] <Friczy> a dvd? Then it can be udf
[09:06] <ogra> melazyboy: no idea, but iso is certainly the wrong fs for a dvd
[09:06] <pmfp> ogra: hmmm... wasnt there... :/
[09:06] <Friczy> melazyboy: mount -t udf ....
[09:06] <Frafraxy> orga: you can see it on #flood
[09:06] <Friczy> perhaps it helps
[09:06] <pmfp> ogra: anyway, Ill mess with it later
[09:06] <rapha|enterprise> melazyboy: what command did you use again?
[09:06] <Frafraxy> ogra: you can see it on #flood
[09:07] <melazyboy1> Friczy: well its 806MB so i assume its DVD its also a movie, i tried both the udf and iso9660, with the same error messages and -o loop
[09:07] <ogra> Frafraxy: hmm, could you do it again, but before issue the command: export LC_ALL=C
[09:07] <Friczy> melazyboy: no. it can be a vcd as others say
[09:07] <ogra> Frafraxy: so i am able to read it ;)
[09:07] <Friczy> melazyboy: but a vcd cannot be mounted
[09:07] <melazyboy1> so how do i play it?
[09:08] <Friczy> melazyboy: if you have an mplayer it can play it
[09:08] <ogra> melazyboy1: without mounting it :)
[09:08] <melazyboy1> no demuxer found
[09:08] <melazyboy1> =[
[09:08] <Frafraxy> voila'
[09:08] <Frafraxy> in #flood
[09:09] <Friczy> Frafraxy: try dpkg -i --force-overwrite --force-overwrite-dir <packagename>
[09:09] <melazyboy1> it has a .cue file, usefull at all?
[09:09] <ogra> Frafraxy: where does fglrx-4.3.0-driver  come from...thats really bad
[09:10] <Frafraxy> ogra: what i must to do?
[09:10] <miausX_> hi! :)
[09:10] <ogra> Frafraxy: try sudo dpkg -r fglrx-4.3.0-driver && sudo apt-get -f install
[09:10] <flodin> how can i clear all the pending actions for aptitude? It seems i have accientally told it to delete a bunch of packages but i didn't press 'g' yet
[09:10] <flodin> i'm not finding anything in the help screen
[09:10] <Frafraxy> ogra: see #flood
[09:11] <xiximkopp> anybody has a clue why the glx doesn't work anymore on my nvidia graphic card in hoary (nvidia driver)?
[09:12] <Frafraxy> ogra: have you see it?
[09:12] <ogra> Frafraxy: very bad... you should never use rpm based packages for such basic stuff like drivers....
[09:12] <xiximkopp> i get Segmentation fault all the time..
[09:12] <Frafraxy> ogra: it was a .tgz
[09:13] <ogra> Frafraxy: how did you make a deb out of that ?
[09:13] <flodin> blah. I keep pressing Undo but it still says "Will free 8028kB of disk space" at the top
[09:13] <Frafraxy> ogra: how can i remove it
[09:13] <Frafraxy> ?
[09:13] <jaye> holy christ there's a lot of processes runnig
[09:14] <jaye> gnome's got a good bit of overhead eh?
[09:14] <ogra> jaye: ever tried kde ?
[09:14] <jaye> Yeah, it's on one of the live-cd's I have.
[09:14] <ogra> Frafraxy: give me some time, thinking about it
[09:14] <Frafraxy> ok
[09:15] <jaye> What desktop has the most software compatablility?
[09:15] <ogra> jaye: blackbox or fluxbox i guess
[09:15] <jaye> What do you use?
[09:16] <xiximkopp> does your glx work in hoary?
[09:16] <ogra> xiximkopp: nvidial or ati ?
[09:17] <xiximkopp> nvidia
[09:17] <miausX_> jaye: desktop == kde/gnome/xfce; window manager == fluxbox, blackbox, openbox, wmaker, etc
[09:17] <ogra> xiximkopp: its underway, not sure if its already in ....
[09:17] <ogra> jaye: gnome indeed
[09:17] <jaye> I like this so far.  But I'm the most indecisive person I know and that makes this hard lol
[09:18] <jaye> I can't even get food at subway in under 10 minutes
[09:18] <miausX_> jaye: hehehe, me too... I have kde on my suse 9.2 and gnome in my Ubuntu :)
[09:18] <ogra> jaye: hmm, in germany we eat at restaurants
[09:18] <jaye> What's ubuntu doing with all that space?  There's not much software here.
[09:18] <jaye> You're german?
[09:18] <miausX_> ogra: lol
[09:18] <ogra> jaye: but it takes mostly more then 10 min
[09:18] <xiximkopp> ogra, my dist is very recent (i'm updating nearly each day using synaptic), sometimes it works, sometimes not... but every time i need it it does not...
[09:19] <jaye> Restraunts are too expensive in texas.
[09:19] <ogra> lol, thats hoary....
[09:19] <ogra> jaye: yep, german
[09:19] <Frafraxy> ogra: ?
[09:19] <jaye> I'm in second year German class at school.
[09:19] <xiximkopp> ogra, i now... i thin i compile a new vanilla and install drivers form nvidia.com...
[09:20] <ogra> Frafraxy: yep
[09:20] <ogra> xiximkopp: wont help with xorg
[09:20] <xiximkopp> ogra, why?
[09:20] <ogra> xiximkopp: its a x porb, not a kernel prob
[09:21] <jaye> Where can I find software to run with this?
[09:21] <ogra> xiximkopp: i dont think you need to recompile the kernel from a vanoilla source, install the linux headers pkg and build-essential
[09:21] <xiximkopp> ogra, dont the nvidia drivers run on xorg?
[09:21] <xiximkopp> ogra, i have them... always...
[09:21] <xiximkopp> lol
[09:22] <ogra> xiximkopp: i heard roumors the newest should do... but they get packaged if the Xorg maintainer is back from holiday
[09:23] <xiximkopp> ogra, ok thank you... i wanted just to test my new graphic card...
[09:23] <ogra> ahh, its cristmas time
[09:23] <xiximkopp> ogra, it is...
[09:24] <xiximkopp> ogra, where do you come from?
[09:24] <ogra> zur zeit aus der eifel
[09:25] <xiximkopp> ogra, aha, ich komme ausm norden
[09:25] <ogra> eigentlich aus hannover :)
[09:25] <xiximkopp> genau...
[09:25] <ogra> but lets stay english....
[09:25] <ogra> #ubuntu-de is for german ;)
[09:25] <xiximkopp> ogra, where in hannover do you live?
[09:26] <ogra> xiximkopp: nowhere anymore.... i have a atelier in wuelfel in an old factory though
[09:26] <ogra> xiximkopp: but wasnt home since more then a year
[09:27] <xiximkopp> ogra, sounds nice... some of my friends live there...
[09:27] <Frafraxy> ogra: et allors?
[09:27] <ogra> xiximkopp: currently i live in the eifel in the middle of nowhere....near the nuerburgring
[09:28] <ogra> Frafraxy: try it with a --force-overwrite option....
[09:28] <xiximkopp> ogra, do you know the stoecken graveyard? it's just a stone throw away...
[09:29] <ogra> Frafraxy: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/fglrx-driver_2.6.8.1.3-4_i386.deb
[09:29] <ogra> Frafraxy: but hanging in a divert option is heavy ....
[09:29] <ogra> xiximkopp: sure ....
[09:30] <ogra> Frafraxy: hmm
[09:31] <xiximkopp> i'm trying my luck with vanilla...
[09:31] <ogra> Frafraxy: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite-diverted /var/cache/apt/archives/fglrx-driver_2.6.8.1.3-4_i386.deb
[09:31] <Frafraxy> ogra: idem
[09:32] <ogra> xiximkopp: huh, ? what for, it htought you only want the nvidia driver
[09:32] <ogra> Frafraxy: seen it ?
[09:32] <xiximkopp> ogra, but 2.6.10 sounds great
[09:32] <Frafraxy> k
[09:33] <scorpix> hello
[09:33] <ogra> xiximkopp: ah, ok....i know 2.6.10 is in the works at the devs currently....but not ready yet with all the ubuntu patches
[09:33] <xiximkopp> ogra, the vanilla is stable... i give it a try... doesnt kill me...
[09:34] <ogra> Frafraxy: hmm, that was my last resort.... :(
[09:34] <scorpix> i try the live cd, but it wont start X, it just restart the monitor, any thing can be done to fix this?
[09:35] <ogra> Frafraxy: another one (starting wild guesses)
[09:35] <pw> I'm booting off my Ubuntu installer CD, but all I get when I choose "Ubuntu" is the Gnoppix liveCD thing instead of the installer. Am I being a moron?
[09:35] <ogra> Frafraxy: sudo dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq fglrx-4.3.0-driver
[09:36] <ogra> pw: thats not the installer cd
[09:36] <pw> ogra - is too :)
[09:36] <pw> I installed the other PC off this one just fine.
[09:37] <ogra> pw: sure ?
[09:37] <budgester> dunno, if I am running in the right direction but, there is not config in /etc/pcmcia/config for the amtel chipset wireless card
[09:37] <pw> The ISO name is "warty-release-install-i386.iso"
[09:37] <Frafraxy> who can give me a good apt/source.list?
[09:38] <ogra> Frafraxy: wont repair your dpkg prob
[09:38] <jaye> will programs in gnome run in kde or visa versa or are they like seperate things all together?
[09:38] <flodin> hrmpf. IMHO ubuntu shouldn't open a bunch of ports by default, and should at least give you the option to install in a 'secure' mode
[09:38] <EB8COF> downloading.... other more thank's
[09:38] <ogra> jaye: you can run kde stuff in gnome
[09:39] <budgester> jaye: they should work as long as you have the libraries installed
[09:39] <Friczy> jaye: they use their own libs, but you can use kde programs in gnome
[09:39] <Friczy> or vece versa
[09:39] <jaye> ok
[09:39] <ogra> jaye: it just loads all the additional ked libs
[09:39] <jaye> Is there a way to make gnome look as pretty as kde?
[09:39] <pw> The CD label is "Warty-Upgrade 0." when I mount it on my Windows box.
[09:39] <budgester> jaye: you'll notice this if you run the app from the command line
[09:39] <ogra> jaye: as ugly as kde ? nope
[09:40] <jaye> lol
[09:40] <jaye> This is kind of plain.  I normally like plain but only in blue an grey
[09:40] <jaye> lol
[09:40] <ogra> jaye: if you want kde use kubuntu
[09:40] <jaye> I can get used to this so long as I can run apps for both
[09:40] <jaye> I just want to figure out how to change the style.
[09:40] <jaye> from brown
[09:41] <ogra> jaye: themes tool in the Computer menu
[09:41] <ogra> jaye: art.gnome.org
[09:41] <jaye> oh yeah... now that's the jackpot
[09:42] <jaye> multiple desktops wow
[09:43] <ogra> Frafraxy: my souces.list is in flood (doesnt differ much from the original though)
[09:48] <scorpix> when i boot the live cd the monitor keep restarting, how to fix that ?
[09:49] <ogra> scorpix: did you try different boot options ?
[09:49] <scorpix> ogra: yes
[09:49] <Frafraxy> ogra: see #flood O_O
[09:49] <ogra> Frafraxy: just saw it....
[09:49] <ctr> hmm
[09:50] <scorpix> do i have to change my current resulotion, if yes, which is recomended?
[09:50] <ogra> Frafraxy: does dpkg -r fglrx-driver-dev work ?
[09:50] <ctr> I want to know how long we need to wait until we get wifi on g4 ibooks :)
[09:50] <s0cks> ogra
[09:50] <jaye> Where should I install a theme to?
[09:50] <ogra> ctr: extreme ?
[09:51] <ogra> s0cks
[09:51] <ctr> yeah
[09:51] <jaye> err nm
[09:51] <sjoerd> ctr: untill hell freezes over once again ?
[09:51] <ogra> ctr: ask apple, they sit on the specs
[09:51] <ctr> hmm, opera for series60 is sweet
[09:51] <ctr> yeah I know
[09:51] <ctr> :)
[09:51] <s0cks> ogra : Fix my computer
[09:51] <sjoerd> ogra: no, it's not apples fault
[09:51] <sjoerd> ogra: broadcomm is the problem
[09:51] <ogra> sjoerd: ??
[09:51] <ogra> sjoerd: ahh, ok
[09:51] <Frafraxy> EEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!1
[09:51] <Frafraxy> IT WORK!!!
[09:51] <Ohmer> nil sux :)
[09:52] <ogra> Frafraxy: yay
[09:52] <Frafraxy> ok for install the ati drivers, what i must to do? (step-step)
[09:52] <s0cks> ogra : Ubuntu fucked it up
[09:52] <ogra> Frafraxy: so next time be careful with foreign drivers ;)
[09:52] <ogra> s0cks ;-P
[09:52] <Frafraxy> k
[09:52] <sjoerd> ogra: even worse is that there are actually linux drivers for the cards (linksys access points have the same card)
[09:53] <s0cks> ogra : Seemingly, it made my hard disk useless.
[09:53] <Frafraxy> can you e
[09:53] <Frafraxy> can you tell me the steps?
[09:53] <ogra> s0cks: oh, thats serious ? i thought youre joking as always
[09:53] <ogra> sjoerd: not portable ?
[09:54] <Frafraxy> orga?
[09:54] <s0cks> ogra : I do joke alot, but not in this case.
[09:54] <sjoerd> ogra: don't know.. binary only for mips, so not usefull on anything else
[09:54] <ogra> Frafraxy: they are here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:54] <Frafraxy> tell me the steps, please
[09:54] <Frafraxy> k
[09:54] <Frafraxy> thanks
[09:54] <ogra> sjoerd: argh
[09:55] <ogra> s0cks: what happens ?
[09:55] <s0cks> ogra : I installed it, and the installer went to reboot, and it froze after the post.
[09:55] <s0cks> Can't format the drive, can't even use the computer with the hard disk plugged in
[09:55] <ogra> sjoerd: we should send them fabbionne in pinhead mode, probably that makes them reconsider ;)
[09:55] <s0cks> I'd love to format it.
[09:55] <s0cks> And start over.
[09:56] <sjoerd> ogra: sounds like a plan :)
[09:56] <nomasteryoda> s0cks, you will need to zero the first sectors of the drive...
[09:56] <Frafraxy> orga: for flash plugin?
[09:56] <nomasteryoda> did it have winders on it?
[09:56] <ogra> Frafraxy: if you use my sources list, just install it
[09:57] <s0cks> nomasteryoda : Yes.
[09:57] <nomasteryoda> had that happen before
[09:57] <s0cks> I wanna dual boot with two hard disks now.
[09:57] <s0cks> But I can't get the other to work.
[09:57] <nomasteryoda> ic
[09:57] <ogra> s0cks: live cd ? reformat ?
[09:58] <s0cks> Hmm... Interesting thaught.
[09:58] <s0cks> I can do that through terminal?
[09:58] <ogra> Frafraxy: ah, sorry... the package name is here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:58] <ogra> s0cks: why not
[09:58] <el> alguien
[09:58] <s0cks> ogra : Command?
[09:59] <yorkomo> Hey, I'm trying to help out a friend upgrading some software in Ubuntu, but I use FreeBSD so I'm kind of clueless here.
[09:59] <yorkomo> I'm trying to upgrade to the latest firefox for him.
[09:59] <el> como reprodusco mp3
[09:59] <yorkomo> Mind givin' me some pointers?
[09:59] <ogra> s0cks: first mount with the right mountpoints etc... then cfdisk /dev/blah for partitioning..... the mkfs.ext3 ....
[10:00] <ogra> s0cks: ah, wrong order
[10:00] <ogra> s0cks: frist cfdisk, then mkfs  then mount... and see if it works... the reboot and use the installer
[10:01] <s0cks> ogra : I just wanna format. What about that?
[10:01] <ogra> s0cks: mkfs.XXXX
[10:01] <imka> hi
[10:01] <ogra> s0cks: XXXX is the fstype
[10:01] <rapha> ogra: What is it that you guys have with ext3? ReiserFS is way more sensible for a system that is meant to be used by non-technical people.
[10:01] <Pozac> rapha, ehh why?
[10:01] <ogra> rapha: bah reiser....
[10:01] <imka> could someone help me test my dad's netmeeting if it works with gnomemeeting?
[10:02] <yorkomo> Anyone want to point out what I'm doing wrong here: sudo apt-get upgrade mozilla-firefox
[10:02] <rapha> Pozac: Because computers do have power outages, and because ext3 does need fsck's anyway every now and then. That's why.
[10:02] <ogra> rapha: i have seen terabytes of data going down the drain with reiser...i will never touch it... and hans reiser is a troll anyway...
[10:02] <nomasteryoda> ogra, i second that
[10:03] <ogra> rapha: its personal preference
[10:03] <rapha> Hans Reiser being a troll, you won't get an argument from me. But I've NEVER seen even a single bit being made unusable by ReiserFS.
[10:03] <Dupke> hello
[10:03] <rapha> ogra: I'm also not saying that it shouldn't be available; just that it should be available as an _option_.
[10:04] <ogra> rapha: i love xfs ... but you will find ppl telling you the same about it i said aobut reiser
[10:04] <spikeb> what about JFS?
[10:04] <Pozac> or fat12?
[10:04] <nomasteryoda> lol
[10:04] <rapha> ogra: And there's people like me that tell you about ext* damaging their data.
[10:04] <linuxbcn> hi all!
[10:04] <yorkomo> 'mozilla-firefox is already the newest version', but I only have version 0.9.3. Is that the latest version available in ubuntu?
[10:04] <Keybuk> rapha: it is an option?
[10:04] <Dupke> i'm trying to install ubuntu but after booting from cd it says loadin/insall/vmlinux and loading /install/initrd.gz and then ready...
[10:04] <Dupke> but after that.. nothings happens anymore
[10:05] <rapha> ogra: Have you ever sat in front of fsck working its way through your 80GB hard drive when you REALLY need to read that E-Mail now?
[10:05] <rapha> Keybuk: ext3, not reiserfs. That I'd like to be the defautl.
[10:05] <rapha> s/tl/lt.
[10:05] <ogra> rapha: i once in 98 built a 3 TB array with 40 disks on reiser with samba on top ..... wasnt that funny to reinstall all the DLT tapes
[10:05] <Keybuk> rapha: you can select reiser when partitioning if you like it.
[10:05] <rapha> ogra: You mean 1998? Boy, reiserfs was brand-new back then.
[10:06] <Keybuk> given reiser's descent into the murky depths of "non-freeness" and "crackfulness", I don't think it's a good option
[10:06] <rapha> Keybuk: I know, and I did that. But how is ReiserFS "non-free" and "crackful"?
[10:06] <ogra> rapha: hans considered it absolutely stable and suse shipped it back then
[10:06] <Keybuk> personally, I'd like XFS-in-LVM to be the default with all partitions dynamically resized to need; but it needs a little more stability first
[10:06] <nomasteryoda> ext3 is a journalized filesystem...
[10:06] <Keybuk> rapha: reiser4, debian-devel, passim.
[10:06] <ogra> Keybuk: yay !!!
[10:06] <rapha> ogra: Well, the rest of the world considers it absolutely stable now.
[10:07] <rapha> Keybuk: Nobody is talking about Reiser 4.
[10:07] <ogra> Keybuk: i absoultely second the xfs-lvm idea
[10:07] <yorkomo> by default, apt-get using the stable tree, right?
[10:07] <Keybuk> rapha: given reiser considers reiser3 obsolete and deprecated ... ?
[10:07] <pw> hmm, it seems my CDROM drive will boot the livecd stuff, but not isolinux
[10:07] <rapha> nomasteryoda: ... a "journalized filesystem" which needs lengthy filesystem checks every so often.
[10:08] <calc> also see what hans ranted on and on about wrt his reiserfs tools
[10:08] <Dupke> hey pw, i have the same problem,
[10:08] <yorkomo> anyone?
[10:08] <rapha> Keybuk: Hans Reiser isn't the only man on earth working on the Linux kernel.
[10:08] <spikeb> rest of the world? i can't think of any distro offhand that's using 4 not 3
[10:08] <Keybuk> rapha: no, but defaulting to a filesystem that could vanish doesn't seem a great idea
[10:08] <ogra> yorkomo: look at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[10:09] <calc> defaulting to ext3 is a good idea :)
[10:09] <ogra> yep
[10:09] <Pozac> yep
[10:09] <rapha> Keybuk: Well, then let's hope there'll be an ext4 which doesn't need fscking in the very near future.
[10:09] <calc> its the most widely used and supported
[10:09] <Pozac> rapha, fsck when you have the time then ?
[10:09] <Keybuk> ogra: it is an option.
[10:09] <rapha> Besides that, I know no Linux PC that wouldn't run ReiserFS (3).
[10:10] <calc> ogra: you can already do that, but there is some bug that sometimes makes it not work right
[10:10] <yorkomo> ogra: bingo, thanks for the pointer =-)
[10:10] <rapha> Pozac: Erm, there's such a thing as a mount count?
[10:10] <pw> Dupke: do not /msg me.
[10:10] <ogra> Keybuk: not on warty.....
[10:10] <ogra> Keybuk: or is it ? (i upgraded from the prerelease)
[10:10] <Pozac> rapha, will fsck not reset that?
[10:10] <Keybuk> ogra: it is ... just select it from the partitioner
[10:10] <zenrox> i use ext3 for / and riser for /home
[10:10] <RjR> mmmm
[10:11] <calc> Keybuk: he's probably talking about the issue where grub didn't work with xfs so it told you not to use it as /
[10:11] <RjR> i just recieved my cd last week
[10:11] <Keybuk> calc: touch-wood, I've never had a problem.  Even with kernels that apparently were fucked
[10:11] <RjR> tried bootin from the livecd
[10:11] <rapha> Plus there's the speed thing. And although R3 is just a tiny bit faster than ext3 here and even a bit slower there, R4 will be _much_ faster.
[10:11] <RjR> it reboots after loadin is done?
[10:11] <rapha> Pozac: Ya, but only _after_ it has run.
[10:11] <ogra> Keybuk: it hung the grub install bach then....(i was able to work around that)  is this fixed ...?
[10:11] <Keybuk> oh, that's still broken I think.  I tend to have an ext2 /boot anyway as I use it to bootstrap new installations anyway
[10:11] <ogra> back then
[10:11] <calc> i've lost data on every fs at some point, but i feel that ext3 is probably the most tested so is least likely to fail
[10:12] <ogra> ah, ok.... but its an easy fix...just to run grub install again
[10:12] <rapha> Pozac: And when it is mount count time, and I want to use my system NOW, I'll have to drop to a non-graphical shell and get on from there. Does Ubuntu expect grandmothers and office workers to do _that?
[10:12] <Pozac> rapha, so if you fsck it manually after say 17 mounts, doesnt that reset the mount count?
[10:12] <Keybuk> I've lost data to ext2 and reiser; I panicked the first time XFS zero'd my files until I read the docs and ran the right thing to recover it
[10:12] <ogra> heh
[10:12] <Keybuk> rapha: that's just a silly default.
[10:12] <spikeb> no, ubuntu expects grandmothers and office workers to WAIT
[10:13] <spikeb> LIKE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO
[10:13] <calc> Keybuk: what are you supposed to run to recover xfs?
[10:13] <Pozac> rapha, just wait it out
[10:13] <Pozac> does fsck take 20 minutes for you or what?
[10:13] <calc> perhaps i missed that part back when it zeroed my files, i recovered it a different long way ;)
[10:13] <Keybuk> calc: xfsrestore and xfs_repair, shockingly :p
[10:13] <calc> Keybuk: ah
[10:13] <zenrox> lol
[10:13] <Keybuk> XFS zeroing files is just like ext3 sticking them in lost+found
[10:13] <rapha> Pozac: Yes it does. But tell my granny to fsck her computer and also tell her that it'll take overnight for her 80gig disk that came with her walmart PC and she'll tell you to install her something else because of the power bill. Some people ARE like that.
[10:13] <ogra> Keybuk: ever read the xfs_growfs manpage ?   The  filesystem  must be mounted to be grown (see mount(8)). isnt that ubercool ?
[10:13] <calc> i don't recall seeing a xfsrestore, but i did run xfs_repair
[10:13] <Keybuk> it means "I had multiple choices of what could go here, do something please"
[10:14] <RjR> mmmmmmmmm
[10:14] <rapha> Pozac: For me, fsck on an ext3 disk took more than five hours. That's why I'm not using anything but ReiserFS anymore-.
[10:14] <RjR> i am invisible?nobody replied to my question :\
[10:14] <spikeb> we're too busy having a stupid filesystem war
[10:14] <rapha> :-)
[10:15] <calc> the thing that ate my xfs was its own defrag tool ;)
[10:15] <ogra> RjR: too many tofftopic stuff in here
[10:15] <zenrox> RjR,  if no one answers then we dont know
[10:15] <calc> be careful with those cool xfs utils ;)
[10:15] <pw> Reiser's fab until you have to fix it
[10:15] <rapha> pw: "fab"?
[10:15] <pw> fab.
[10:15] <RjR> mmmm
[10:15] <pw> ulous.
[10:15] <RjR> nobody knows why the livecd doesnt work?
[10:15] <zenrox> pw lol
[10:15] <ogra> RjR: hmm
[10:15] <spikeb> inot me
[10:15] <spikeb> er
[10:15] <spikeb> not me
[10:15] <ogra> RjR: did you try the different bootoptions ?
[10:16] <RjR> i dont see ne options? the one that stays on the screen for 3 seconds?
[10:16] <RjR> wid a scroller
[10:16] <rapha> Ah, fabulous.
[10:16] <ogra> RjR: there is a menu in front i think
[10:16] <RjR> damn ok lemme check again
[10:16] <rapha> pw: Well, then I hold it to ReiserFS that I hadn't ever to fix it. Isn't that good?
[10:16] <RjR> thanks ogra
[10:16] <RjR> brb i will check and let u know
[10:16] <ogra> good
[10:17] <Pozac> hit ESC perhaps
[10:18] <zenrox> rapha,  i ant never had to fix ext3 and reiserfs ver 3
[10:18] <rapha> Well, in any case...
[10:18] <rapha> *yawn*
[10:18] <WeedVender> ahahahaha I fininally got in..
[10:18] <WeedVender> ..
[10:19] <ogra> WeedVender: nope you didnt
[10:19] <ogra> WeedVender: we dont see you
[10:19] <WeedVender> I didn't?
[10:19] <zenwhen> Wow
[10:19] <ogra> hehe
[10:19] <zenwhen> I just tried to play a dvd for the first time in ubuntu and its dropping frames.
[10:19] <ogra> WeedVender: silly joking
[10:19] <WeedVender> anyway... Im having problems with installing something in ubuntu..
[10:19] <WeedVender> i know
[10:19] <zenwhen> My system is far too good to drop a fram on any video.
[10:20] <zenwhen> frame*
[10:20] <WeedVender> DMA?
[10:20] <zenwhen> DMA on everything.
[10:20] <ogra> zenwhen: hmm, buy an itanium ?
[10:20] <zenwhen> huh
[10:20] <zenwhen> No its got to be some softeare issue.
[10:20] <zenwhen> software*
[10:20] <WeedVender> can anyone explain to me how to install XMMS or how to play an MP3 on ubuntu
[10:21] <ogra> WeedVender: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:21] <WeedVender> also a link to learn all the commands, and I just need help installing things. I dont get passed the ./configure part
[10:21] <ogra> WeedVender: but ignore marillat, its broken
[10:21] <ogra> WeedVender: you dont need to compile _anything_
[10:22] <WeedVender> so MP3 playback isn't available?
[10:22] <spikeb> yes it is
[10:22] <spikeb> its in universe
[10:22] <ogra> WeedVender: it is, read on
[10:22] <will> whats the command to create a symlink
[10:22] <ogra> will: ln -s
[10:23] <naim>  ello, why cant i install mozilla-firebird ??
[10:23] <spikeb> because its firefox
[10:23] <Keybuk> naim: don't you mean mozilla-firefox ?
[10:23] <spikeb> and its installed by default
[10:23] <ogra> will: exactly ln -s /target/path /link/pth
[10:23] <naim> yup
[10:23] <WeedVender> ok... but say I want to install XMMS
[10:23] <WeedVender> how would I go by installing it
[10:23] <pmfp> WeedVender: sudo apt-get install xmms
[10:23] <will> great got it thanks ogra
[10:23] <naim> no ,... the old lightwieght firebird
[10:23] <ogra> WeedVender: anyble universe and install it with synaptic
[10:24] <pmfp> ...or that
[10:24] <ogra> WeedVender: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[10:25] <pmfp> why is there no apt-build? :(
[10:25] <will> DAMN! all my firefox settings have gone!!!
[10:25] <ogra> pmfp: apt-get source -b <package>
[10:25] <ogra> will: did you run it as root ?
[10:25] <ogra> will: i.e. with sudo ?
[10:25] <Keybuk> naim: firebird just got renamed to firefox
[10:26] <Keybuk> naim: it's still the lightweight browser
[10:26] <ogra> will: then thats normal....
[10:26] <naim> Keybuk, thnx
[10:26] <emanuelez> hello *
[10:26] <emanuelez> my problem: slow domain resolving... i think IPV6 is interferring :(
[10:27] <will> ogra: just installed the new (ver 1.0) with sudo, and removed the one from apt-get and its all gone
[10:27] <emanuelez> running a PPPOE connection
[10:27] <ogra> will: on warty ?
[10:27] <will> ogra: yeah
[10:27] <num3ga> what is the default password for root?
[10:27] <will> gra: installed to /opt/firefox
[10:27] <zenrox> num3ga,  your pass for your account
[10:27] <ogra> will: thats life.....
[10:27] <emanuelez> any hint?
[10:27] <ogra> num3ga: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:28] <will> ogra: where did it go?
[10:28] <num3ga> ogra>thanks
[10:28] <ogra> will: look if its really gone, it normally sits in ~/.mozilla
[10:28] <ogra> emanuelez: in all apps ?
[10:28] <emanuelez> ogra, yes
[10:29] <will> ogra: all gone everything :( this is bad...
[10:29] <Setite> sup everyone
[10:29] <Setite> ogra
[10:29] <ogra> emanuelez: you could poke your provider to fix his broken dns setup.....
[10:29] <Setite> how old are you
[10:29] <ogra> Setite: 34
[10:29] <Setite> how are you always on
[10:29] <emanuelez> ogra, should i ask them to implement ipv6 resolving?
[10:29] <Pozac> old people need little sleep :)
[10:30] <Setite> indeed.... but ive been trying to figure out his work schedule
[10:30] <ogra> emanuelez: for firefox there is the about:config url, you can disable v6 there
[10:30] <Setite> and i dunno.. he must work when i do
[10:30] <WeedVender> I have another question.
[10:30] <WeedVender> Where can I learn the linux commands?
[10:30] <ogra> emanuelez: v6 is out since 6 years now, they should have it enabled....(but many have not)
[10:30] <emanuelez> ogra, ifconfig show info about both ppp0 and eth0. ppp0 have inet address while eth has only inet6 address. isn't this weird?
[10:30] <Setite> i have an ebook full of them
[10:31] <zenrox> WeedVender, www.linuxhelp.org
[10:31] <ogra> emanuelez: nope... it is the future
[10:31] <emanuelez> ogra, interesting firefox hint
[10:31] <Setite> weed you got a virii scanner
[10:31] <emanuelez> ogra, but shouldn't even ppp0 have an ipv6 address then?
[10:31] <WeedVender> thanks
[10:31] <will> ogra: plugins still there, but no bookmarks
[10:31] <WeedVender> No I don't
[10:32] <ogra> emanuelez: try another dns, you can set a prefix in the /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf file
[10:32] <Setite> ok.. nm use that site
[10:32] <Setite> due to past experiences i dont send files unless the person has a scanner
[10:32] <Setite> been falsely accused before
[10:32] <ogra> WeedVender: www.tldp.org is also a good source
[10:33] <stuNNed> um it's howdy doody time.
[10:33] <Setite> meaning?
[10:33] <WeedVender> ok, thank you.
[10:33] <ogra> howdy doody time ??
[10:33] <Pozac> Setite, haven't you installed ubuntu yet? ;)
[10:33] <emanuelez> ogra, interesting. i'll google around for some free dns here in italy
[10:33] <Setite> pozac no
[10:33] <spikeb> it'd be nice if rhythmbox wasnt a retarded piece of crap
[10:33] <ogra> emanuelez: :)
[10:33] <Setite> this time next week hopefully
[10:33] <ogra> spikeb: it isnt
[10:33] <Pozac> Setite, how about the livecd?
[10:33] <Setite> need to wait till payday.. then ill order what i need
[10:34] <Setite> that shit sucked mad ass
[10:34] <Pozac> heh
[10:34] <ogra> spikeb: at least for me with 4GB mp3/ogg files over nfs
[10:34] <Setite> i was stuck in 640x480
[10:34] <Pozac> hehe
[10:34] <Setite> couldnt do shit at that resolution
[10:34] <spikeb> heh
[10:34] <Setite> pardon the language
[10:34] <Setite> forgot
[10:34] <emanuelez> ogra, i thought the problem was between eth0 (ipv6) and ppp0 (ipv4)
[10:34] <Pozac> too high bitdepth
[10:34] <Setite> what?
[10:34] <Setite> bitdepth
[10:34] <Setite> whats that
[10:35] <Setite> well while loading i saw it decide on a driver and list 3 resolutions
[10:35] <Pozac> how many bits it should use to save the color of a pixel.. like 16,24 or 32 bit
[10:35] <Setite> 1024x768, 800x600 and 640x480
[10:35] <ogra> emanuelez: ppp sits on top of eth if you use dsl... there is no ip protocol spoken on eth afaik
[10:35] <Setite> but it wouldnt let me change resolution
[10:35] <Setite> first time ive ever had a problem with any linux
[10:35] <Pozac> if your graphics card lacks memory, lower the bitdepth in XF86Config file
[10:35] <ogra> emanuelez: so it shouldnt matter
[10:36] <Setite> wtf... i should have to do that... grr
[10:36] <WeedVender> I have a dual boot with Windows Server 2003.
[10:36] <emanuelez> ogra, i see... i'll study it a bit
[10:36] <WeedVender> How can I access my Mp3s from that partition?
[10:36] <Setite> what is the format
[10:36] <WeedVender> ntfs
[10:36] <ogra> WeedVender: you must mount it
[10:36] <WeedVender> and how do I do that?
[10:36] <Setite> when i used the livecd it mounted my ntfs partition automatically
[10:36] <Setite> i was very happy abotu that.... fedora couldnt do that
[10:37] <spikeb> Setite, cool
[10:37] <pmfp> Why is nvidia/ATIs driver included, but not Macromedia Flash?
[10:37] <ogra> pmfp: legal issues
[10:37] <Setite> haha... why do you ask a question like that
[10:37] <Pozac> Setite, boot it again :) we can't have you running around in mIRC inhere ;)
[10:37] <Setite> you act as if the two are related
[10:37] <ogra> pmfp: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:37] <Setite> nah screw that... 640x480 even makes IRC suck
[10:38] <WeedVender> Does anyone know the commands to mount an NTFS partition?
[10:38] <pmfp> ogra: that's wher eI'm looking
[10:38] <WeedVender> bah... whos running that rez?
[10:38] <pmfp> ogra: didn't explain the difference though, but thanks anyway
[10:38] <ogra> WeedVender: i think 80% of the ppl in here
[10:38] <Pozac> Setite, but at 16 bit you can do 800x600!
[10:38] <Setite> hehe i dont
[10:38] <ogra> WeedVender: know the command ;)
[10:38] <Pozac> what's the graphics card ?
[10:38] <Setite> some onboard intel thing
[10:38] <Pozac> ohh
[10:38] <Setite> but it should be enough to run the friggin desktop at 1024
[10:39] <Pozac> did you tell XFree how much memory it has?
[10:39] <Pozac> otherwise it thinks it has no memory
[10:39] <Setite> ive run the suse livecd with no problem
[10:39] <Pozac> because it shares it
[10:39] <Setite> ummm... i dunno about memory
[10:39] <WeedVender> I am a total linux noob so..
[10:39] <pseudo> Quick question: Can I install the i386 on an amd64?
[10:39] <Setite> but your probably right with that being the issue
[10:39] <Setite> how would i do that
[10:39] <Setite> psuedo yes
[10:39] <pseudo> Setite, Thanks
[10:39] <pseudo> can't live without my flash and win32codecs ;)
[10:39] <Pozac> ogra, how do you make the livecd ask all the xfree86 questions?
[10:39] <Setite> pfft...
[10:40] <pseudo> or better yet.
[10:40] <WeedVender> can Linux write on NTFS?
[10:40] <Setite> well pozac
[10:40] <ogra> Pozac: dunno, i'm not a livecd expert
[10:40] <Setite> weedvender yes and no
[10:40] <pseudo> is there an easy way to get the win32 codecs working with totem-xine?
[10:40] <ogra> WeedVender: if you buy an additional driver
[10:40] <Setite> pozac... it has a million boot options... just tell me what to write
[10:40] <Setite> ogra
[10:40] <Setite> WHERE!!!
[10:40] <Setite> only thing i found was captive ntfs
[10:40] <ogra> Setite: what ?
[10:40] <Setite> and it looks odd
[10:40] <ogra> Setite: thats what i meant
[10:41] <Setite> oh
[10:41] <Setite> you have to buy it
[10:42] <WeedVender> its just an inquiry.
[10:42] <Pozac> Setite, add a 'VideoRam     16384' block to the Device section in XF86Config
[10:42] <Pozac> (for 16mb ram)
[10:42] <WeedVender> Would FAT32 be a different story?
[10:42] <Setite> fat32 would be an easier story
[10:42] <Pozac> the story would be called vfat
[10:43] <Setite> vfat
[10:43] <Setite> wtf is that
[10:43] <Pozac> linux name for fat32
[10:43] <sid77> hi
[10:43] <Setite> i just thought fat32 wasn't a ms format and was able to be read and wrote by default
[10:43] <Pozac> like.. veryfat :)
[10:43] <Pozac> hi sid77
[10:43] <Josephus> hey
[10:44] <Josephus> can someone help me out with powernowd?
[10:44] <Josephus> actually the problem is that  /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_min_freq
[10:44] <Josephus> value is too high
[10:44] <Setite> powernow is evil
[10:44] <Josephus> what can change that?
[10:44] <macewan> anyone spent much time with beagle on Ubuntu? Specificly indexing
[10:45] <spikeb> not i
[10:45] <Josephus> long time ago i was able to achive 200mhz, now 600mhz is the minimum where my 1300 centrino goes
[10:45] <spikeb> macewan, is there a repo for it?
[10:45] <macewan> ?
[10:45] <macewan> ah
[10:45] <macewan> no
[10:45] <macewan> cvs
[10:45] <Setite> macewan how is beagle
[10:45] <macewan> nice
[10:45] <WeedVender> would Linux be able to write on Vfat then?
[10:45] <macewan> using it at work also
[10:45] <Setite> thats the thing that indexes everything for searching right
[10:45] <macewan> yes
[10:46] <Setite> ogra you still alive
[10:46] <Pozac> This is how options are usually set: echo 200 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_min_freq
[10:46] <macewan> brb
[10:46] <Pozac> totally not sure it works though
[10:46] <ogra> yep
[10:46] <Josephus> Pozac: that's where i got permission error
[10:46] <spikeb> bah
[10:46] <Pozac> Josephus, sudo
[10:46] <spikeb> i dont want to compile it heh
[10:46] <Josephus> Pozac: i know that
[10:47] <Josephus> but still
[10:47] <Pozac> how about from a 'sudo -s' ?
[10:47] <Pozac> just to make sure :)
[10:48] <Setite> did anyoen answer weedvender
[10:48] <Josephus> how about i can see the difference between $ and #
[10:48] <Pozac> I think macewan did
[10:48] <Pozac> it can
[10:48] <Setite> i thought he was answering me
[10:48] <macewan> did what
[10:48] <Setite> when you said yes
[10:48] <Pozac> lol
[10:48] <Setite> were you talking abotu vfat or beagle
[10:48] <WeedVender> Im reading along so..
[10:48] <Pozac> everyone asked macewan a question, he replied 'yes'
[10:49] <WeedVender> That link that you gave me,
[10:49] <macewan> :)
[10:49] <Josephus> root@teh:/ # echo 200 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_min_freq
[10:49] <Josephus> bash: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_min_freq: Permission denied
[10:49] <macewan> it was esasy
[10:49] <luissil> where can i found the way to install a laptop modem????
[10:49] <Pozac> Josephus, ok then :)
[10:49] <Setite> modem
[10:49] <Setite> pfft
[10:49] <Setite> modems are oldschool
[10:49] <Pozac> shh Setite
[10:49] <macewan> you kids
[10:49] <Setite> sorry :(
[10:49] <WeedVender> say I were to make a partition on Windows 2003, fat32, as a shared partition.
[10:49] <WeedVender> can I use the guide u gave me to make a shared HDD?
[10:50] <Setite> google has a nice selection
[10:50] <WeedVender> i c
[10:51] <WeedVender> how do I delete forlders on the mnt directory?
[10:51] <emanuelez> agra: i found out it's a problem with bind. 9.3 fixed it but ubuntu has 9.2.4 :(
[10:51] <Pozac> WeedVender, sudo rmdir
[10:51] <ogra> WeedVender: with sudo rmdir /mnt/whateveryouhavethere
[10:52] <ogra> emanuelez: bind is a server....
[10:52] <WeedVender> thanks
[10:52] <ogra> emanuelez: you are on the client side
[10:53] <emanuelez> ogra, yup
[10:53] <WeedVender> one last thing before I go.
[10:53] <WeedVender> Why does caps matter when I type on the terminal?
[10:54] <spikeb> WeedVender, so you can have different things named the same with different cases
[10:54] <Pozac> WeedVender, because a != A
[10:54] <Pozac> Caps just matters.
[10:54] <ogra> WeedVender: thats an ancient unix convention DOS broke that once
[10:54] <WeedVender> ok I got that last part
[10:55] <WeedVender> brb
[10:55] <mike998> hi fellas - does anyone have a one line to alter the case of all the files in a directory from uppercase to lowercase?
[10:55] <ogra> hmm, what is .do  ?
[10:57] <num3ga> i need help resetting the root password....can someone help me?
[10:57] <Pozac> ogra, is there debian->ubuntu guide in the wiki? (if you know)
[10:57] <calc> Pozac: yea: for i in * ; do echo $i | tr [A-Z]  [a-z]  | xargs -i mv $i "{}" ; done
[10:58] <calc> that doesn't handle spaces though
[10:58] <stuNNed> num3ga, boot into single user mode afaik
[10:58] <calc> you would need to add IFS="(enter)"
[10:58] <calc> er IFS="(enter)" &&  actually
[10:58] <num3ga> stuNNed>how do i do that?
[10:58] <calc> mike998: actually i meant that for you
[10:59] <stuNNed> num3ga, when in grub append 'single' to the end of your kernel line
[10:59] <ogra> Pozac: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyUpgradeNotes
[10:59] <Setite> pozac... gimme that command once more
[10:59] <mike998> calc: thanks... gonna write that one down
[10:59] <num3ga> stuNNed>o ok....then i'll be able to activate the root account?
[10:59] <neighborlee> anyone else having problems running 'sessions'...it wont run from the Menu but it does from terminal but only as root ?
[10:59] <ogra> num3ga: sudo passwd -l root
[11:00] <stuNNed> num3ga, at root prompt, type 'passwd' to reset
[11:00] <emanuelez> ok... solved my problem
[11:00] <Pozac> Setite, add a 'VideoRam     16384' block to the Device section in /etc/X11/XF86Config (for 16mb)
[11:00] <calc> mike998: "man sh" explains IFS if you are interested
[11:00] <emanuelez> now... on with another one LOL
[11:00] <num3ga> stuNNed>what if it asks for a old password?
[11:00] <Pozac> ogra, thanks :)
[11:00] <Zotnix> I set a root password... it is different from my sudo password which remains my user password.
[11:00] <mike998> will check it out
[11:00] <Zotnix> clan Granted, I did a "sudo passwd"
[11:00] <stuNNed> num3ga, it won't, you will be logged in as root.
[11:01] <stuNNed> num3ga, if it does, you can use sudo as well.
[11:01] <emanuelez> added azureus like explained in the unofficial ubuntu guide in the topic. but... the menu i create in gnome does not work. this is very weird
[11:01] <stuNNed> num3ga, ah, just use sudo.
[11:01] <num3ga> stuNNed>o ok.....thanks.....if i need more help, i'll be back
[11:01] <calc> mike998: for files with spaces in them they end up being treated as separate parts unless you reset IFS="(hit enter)" which tells it not to consider space as a delimiter
[11:01] <ogra> Zotnix: why did you break the safety of your system with a root pw ?
[11:01] <stuNNed> num3ga, np yw :)
[11:01] <stuNNed> azureus seems buggy.
[11:02] <calc> ogra: ssh doesn't allow root logins does it?
[11:02] <ogra> calc: it shouldnt
[11:02] <emanuelez> stuNNed, sure? it seems like a gnome problem
[11:02] <calc> and if someone has physical access to your box  init=/bin/sh kinda defeats the whole password issue
[11:02] <Zotnix> When I need to do multiple commands I and moving things around I like staying in root.
[11:02] <ogra> calc: but you can break that indeed
[11:02] <ogra> Zotnix: sudo -s
[11:02] <stuNNed> emanuelez, every time i've installed it, it has trouble starting, isn't it java based?  maybe 1.5 fixes that.
[11:03] <stuNNed> emanuelez, i prefer gnome bittorent
[11:03] <calc> but using root much isn't really advisable, setting a password in itself doesn't do much of anything though wrt security
[11:03] <ogra> calc: if someone has phys access he can use a livecd
[11:03] <emanuelez> stuNNed, cool... is it in the repositories?
[11:03] <calc> ogra: yes, but just editting the grub entry to set init=/bin/sh is even easier
[11:03] <calc> no need to carry around a cd
[11:04] <Zotnix> I don't like the idea of my root password being the same as my user password
[11:04] <ogra> calc: ever booted ubuntu in single (recovery)  mode ?
[11:04] <emanuelez> stuNNed, i only see bittorrent and bittornado here :(
[11:04] <calc> ogra: long ago
[11:04] <ogra> Zotnix: you are wrong, there is _no_ root pw
[11:05] <Zotnix> Well... I mean I don't like being able to issue commands from the same password.
[11:05] <stuNNed> emanuelez, one sec
[11:05] <emanuelez> stuNNed, ok
[11:05] <calc> it just does the standard single user mode, which normally asks for a password iirc
[11:05] <ogra> emanuelez: its on sf
[11:06] <ogra> emanuelez: a deb is available there for download
[11:06] <emanuelez> ogra, thx! that's good :)
[11:06] <ogra> calc: it drops you in a root console
[11:06] <stuNNed> emanuelez, i think i got it the way ogra says :)
[11:06] <ogra> calc: with no pw
[11:06] <calc> ogra: fun, on other dists it normally asks for a password
[11:07] <ogra> calc: which is nonsense....
[11:07] <calc> i guess that is due to not having any password set for root
[11:07] <num3ga> i'm back
[11:07] <ogra> calc: as you just have proven yourself with the init = sh ....
[11:07] <num3ga> i still can get root
[11:07] <Setite> pozac... i hope this is easy
[11:07] <calc> ogra: init= sh never asks for password
[11:07] <ogra> num3ga: sudo passwd -l root
[11:08] <Pozac> Zotnix, set a root password and run visudo as root and remove all references to your user
[11:08] <calc> single just apparently doesn't when there is no password set
[11:08] <ogra> calc: like single mode or mounting with a livecd
[11:08] <num3ga> ogra>that disables the root account....i want to enable it
[11:08] <Pozac> Setite, I hope so too :)
[11:08] <ogra> num3ga: sudo passwd
[11:08] <emanuelez> doh! sf is down :(
[11:08] <num3ga> ogra>i tried that
[11:08] <num3ga> ogra>...didn't work
[11:08] <tjs> gday, where can I request a package addition? Im using pygtkmozembed and I'd like to see it in ubuntu
[11:09] <liquidboy> hey, i saw a how-to on how to remove the "x" (aswell as the curser) when logging into gnome, i can't find it. can some one tell me where it is (or what to do)
[11:09] <zenrox> tjs, put that on the forums
[11:09] <ogra> num3ga: just tried to confirm (even its bad and evil to have root around) works here
[11:09] <tjs> okay, cheers :)
[11:09] <calc> ogra: well if you lock down the bios and keep it from booting off a cd then livecd won't work
[11:09] <ogra> liquidboy: look for HWCursor off
[11:09] <calc> on any other dist (that i know of) single requires a password, init=/bin/sh doesn't since it bypasses login
[11:10] <ogra> calc: if your data is encrypted you dont need any of these approaches ;)
[11:10] <calc> of course you would then need to somehow password/block modification of grub parameters at bootup for it do any good
[11:10] <Pozac> yeah, the CTRL-D thing
[11:10] <num3ga> how do i logon to single user mode if i boot with grub?
[11:10] <galaxx> whats the root pass inn ubuntu ?
[11:10] <ogra> calc: and thats the way to go
[11:10] <liquidboy> k
[11:10] <ogra> galaxx: no root in ubuntu
[11:10] <ogra> galaxx: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:10] <calc> ogra: true, but cryptoloop is deprecated now, i guess it can be done some way with devicemapper?
[11:11] <ogra> num3ga: escape on boot
[11:11] <ogra> calc: cryptoloop nah
[11:11] <num3ga> ogra>just hit escape?
[11:11] <Pozac> init=sudo -u calc /bin/sh should do
[11:11] <ogra> num3ga: if it says so
[11:11] <Pozac> :)
[11:11] <num3ga> ogra>then what?
[11:11] <ogra> num3ga: look
[11:12] <num3ga> ogra>look at what?
[11:12] <ogra> num3ga: at what you see ;)
[11:12] <ogra> num3ga: agter esc
[11:12] <Pozac> or it might break your system
[11:12] <ogra> after
[11:13] <num3ga> ogra>what should i see?
[11:13] <ogra> num3ga: come on, look yourself.... it wont bite you
[11:14] <num3ga> ogra>i'm in windows right now....i have to keep rebooting between windows and ubuntu
[11:14] <ogra> num3ga: so do it later then ;)
[11:14] <Pozac> if you hit ESC at boot when it says 'Hit ESC to see menu', you will see the menu
[11:14] <num3ga> ogra>i'll try that
[11:15] <Pozac> there's a recovery option for every kernel installed
[11:16] <ogra> Pozac: heh, to late
[11:16] <Setite> nope!
[11:16] <Setite> no workie
[11:16] <Setite> i didnt know where to type that
[11:16] <Setite> ogra
[11:17] <Setite> where do i add that VideoRam thingy... i can add it in realtime right?
[11:17] <Setite> i dont want to have to edit something on the CD itself
[11:17] <Pozac> ogra, not my first :/
[11:17] <Pozac> no
[11:17] <Pozac> the CD makes a RAM disk.. so it should be done at every boot :)
[11:17] <Setite> can you guys hear me? i forgot to login with nickserv.. but you can hear me right
[11:17] <Pozac> yeah yeah
[11:17] <Setite> ok...
[11:18] <Setite> so where do i do that
[11:18] <Pozac> sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config
[11:18] <Pozac> find the 'Device' section
[11:18] <Pozac> and add the VideoRam thing
[11:19] <ogra> Setite: nope, youre to silent, cant hear you ;P
[11:19] <Setite> ok theres nothing in xf86congig
[11:19] <Pozac> humm
[11:20] <Fator_Dee> XF86Config-4 ?
[11:20] <Pozac> yeah
[11:20] <Pozac> sorry :/
[11:20] <Setite> nah...
[11:20] <Fator_Dee> let's be exact shall we :-)
[11:20] <Pozac> hmm
[11:20] <Setite> i opened it searchign through the file system... and that worked
[11:20] <Pozac> eh
[11:20] <Pozac> but then it's opened read-only
[11:20] <Setite> oh but their different
[11:21] <Setite> xf86config and xf86config-4
[11:21] <Pozac> yes
[11:21] <ogra> Setite: the first is a config program
[11:21] <Fator_Dee> and that's XF86Config-4, big letters :-)
[11:21] <emanuelez> how do i associate .torrent files to gnome-btdownload in firefox?
[11:22] <Setite> ??
[11:22] <Setite> the case matters?
[11:22] <Pozac> caps matters
[11:22] <Fator_Dee> yes, size matters :-D
[11:22] <Setite> oh thats gonna piss me off sooner or later
[11:22] <Pozac> lifes a bitch
[11:23] <Fator_Dee> you'll get used to it sooner than you think
[11:23] <lifeless> lastlog lifeless
[11:23] <Setite> ok well im searchign through this file and i dont see where to put this
[11:23] <Pozac> there is no 'Device' section ?
[11:24] <Setite> ok i think i found it
[11:24] <Fator_Dee> Pozac: what that VideoRam does? increases performance?
[11:24] <Pozac> Fator_Dee, it's like getting used to not shouting at your lungs full capacity all the time
[11:24] <Pozac> Fator_Dee, intel 810 shared memory bug..
[11:24] <Fator_Dee> oh
[11:24] <Pozac> Fator_Dee, he only gets 640x480 resolution
[11:24] <ogra> Fator_Dee: in fact it is autodetected on X startup....
[11:24] <Setite> yea... stupid emachine
[11:24] <Setite> its not mine i swear
[11:24] <Pozac> lol
[11:24] <ogra> Fator_Dee: normally
[11:25] <Fator_Dee> damn, I thought I could get more out of this old fellow :-\
[11:25] <Pozac> what's the old fellow? :)
[11:25] <Setite> yea even in this config file it shows that the autoprobing says i can do a 1024x768
[11:25] <Fator_Dee> my comp :-/
[11:25] <Setite> its just being stupid
[11:25] <Pozac> hehe
[11:25] <Pozac> yup
[11:25] <ogra> Setite:teach it ;)
[11:25] <emanuelez> how do i associate .torrent files to gnome-btdownload in firefox?
[11:26] <Setite> so what... add the video ram line and then CTRL+ALT+BKSP?
[11:26] <Setite> is there a specific spacing
[11:26] <ogra> Setite: afaik stopping the X server shuts the system down
[11:26] <Pozac> hmm
[11:26] <Pozac> wicked
[11:27] <Setite> shit then how is editing this gonna fix this
[11:27] <Pozac> Setite, no, just put it in there
[11:27] <Setite> spacing matter?
[11:27] <Pozac> no
[11:27] <Pozac> just one space
[11:27] <Setite> VideoRam 16384
[11:27] <Pozac> I sucks if it shuts the system down
[11:28] <Pozac> yeah
[11:28] <Setite> ?
[11:28] <Pozac> if you have 16mb
[11:28] <Setite> well i dunno what i have
[11:28] <Pozac> I don't know what you have, but 16mb should be fine
[11:28] <Fator_Dee> it doesn't? atleast it doesn't for me
[11:28] <Pozac> Fator_Dee, on the livecd?
[11:28] <Fator_Dee> oh :-|
[11:28] <Setite> yea
[11:28] <Setite> im on livecd
[11:29] <Fator_Dee> should keep my mouth shut if I don't know what people are talking about :-)
[11:29] <Setite> haha
[11:29] <Pozac> me too
[11:29] <Pozac> it seems :)
[11:29] <Setite> well i dunno how i can make the settings take if i cant logout without restarting PC
[11:29] <Fator_Dee> then how about /etc/init.d/gdm restart or something?
[11:31] <Setite> ??
[11:31] <Setite> should i just boot back to windows and bin this?
[11:31] <Pozac> hmm
[11:32] <Pozac> it's kind of lame there's no way to fix X
[11:32] <Setite> i mean i dont see how to get the settings to take
[11:32] <Pozac> me neither
[11:32] <ogra> Setite: as i said before, i dont think you can
[11:32] <Setite> yea which is why i think this livecd is little more than a coaster
[11:32] <Pozac> hmm
[11:32] <Pozac> how about init 1
[11:33] <Pozac> should put you in single-user mode
[11:33] <Setite> meaning?
[11:33] <Setite> im a noob
[11:33] <Setite> init 1 means nothign to me
[11:33] <Pozac> which would be like going backwards through boot
[11:33] <Pozac> ogra?
[11:33] <ogra> Setite: it works on 80 of 100 systems i think... its the first livecd ever from ubuntu ... ont be so harsh
[11:33] <Pozac> or maybe boot recovery option, edit file, and init 2 ?
[11:34] <ogra> Pozac: no idea, as i said i'm not a livecd expert
[11:34] <Setite> im not being harsh... but it doesnt work... so it serves no other purpose... i could leave it in a pretty case at the local pc store and hope someone sees the light
[11:34] <Pozac> ogra, dang ;)
[11:34] <Pozac> Setite, try 'sudo init 1'
[11:34] <Pozac> if it doesnt shut down but give you a console, then type 'init 2'
[11:35] <Setite> init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl
[11:35] <Pozac> uhm
[11:35] <Pozac> sudo telinit 1
[11:35] <Setite> same thing
[11:35] <sid77> whooo! warty upgraded with a 56k!
[11:35] <Pozac> guess not then :/
[11:36] <Pozac> sid77, now go for hoary! ;)
[11:36] <winipegm> good afternoon
[11:36] <Pozac> Setite, ctrl-alt-bkspc then, if it shuts down -> Win till next week :)
[11:36] <sid77> Pozac, only on the pbook! with the bandwith graciously offered by my university ;)
[11:36] <Fator_Dee> afternoon? it's past midnight :-)
[11:36] <Zotnix> Warning: Hoary not for the faint of heart.
[11:36] <Zotnix> ;)
[11:37] <Pozac> sid77, ohh
[11:37] <Zotnix> gnome 2.9.3 is not exactly stable stuff.
[11:37] <winipegm> i have a easy question i wanna play nba2005 what i need to do so i can play that???
[11:37] <sid77> bhuahauhauhauhau
[11:37] <spikeb> no it isnt Zotnix heh
[11:37] <winipegm> or even ut2004
[11:37] <spikeb> especially the panels
[11:37] <spikeb> winipegm, ut2004 has the linux installer right on the cd
[11:37] <winipegm> ok
[11:37] <winipegm> and for nba2004
[11:38] <winipegm> rather 2005
[11:38] <Fator_Dee> they might work with cedega
[11:38] <Fator_Dee> might, that is
[11:38] <opi> I've just tested Cedega P
[11:39] <opi> s/P/:P
[11:39] <Zotnix> Yeah
[11:39] <Zotnix> Panels randomly freeze on me.
[11:39] <Zotnix> I have to log into root, kill gdm.
[11:39] <Fator_Dee> never had problems with it :-p
[11:39] <Zotnix> Then kill each individual process.
[11:39] <Zotnix> That gets stuck
[11:39] <winipegm> spikeb i have the ut2004 dvd now what do i gotta do to get the install underway??? i have the dvd in the drive
[11:40] <spikeb> hmm
[11:40] <spikeb> winipegm, look for the linux-installer.sh file
[11:40] <winipegm> yeah
[11:40] <sid77> btw: I'm pretty new to debian way of upgrading stuff and page says dist-upgrade is cooler than simple upgrade so I run (with -d) it. should have I run apt-get upgrade?
[11:40] <winipegm> i see that when it opened
[11:40] <winipegm> a window
[11:40] <spikeb> winipegm, ok, first you need to do two things
[11:40] <sid77> s/page/man page
[11:40] <winipegm> ok
[11:40] <winipegm> so u kno
[11:40] <opi> sid77: upgrade is more friendly :)
[11:40] <winipegm> this is a fresh install of ubuntu
[11:40] <winipegm> :)
[11:40] <opi> sid77: while dist-upgrade will try to upgrade everythin )
[11:40] <spikeb> winipegm, first, install libgtk (with synaptic)
[11:41] <sid77> opi, is it a good thig?
[11:41] <winipegm> ok
[11:41] <winipegm> one sec
[11:41] <ogra> Zotnix: thats nothing new in here ;)
[11:41] <spikeb> dist-upgrade is more intelligent than upgrade.
[11:41] <spikeb> winipegm, ok. i'll wait
[11:41] <spikeb> :)
[11:41] <opi> sid77: sometimes it can break some stuff
[11:41] <winipegm> :)
[11:41] <sid77> opi, cool
[11:41] <opi> sid77: :P
[11:41] <Pozac> is there a situation where one wants to upgrade and not dist-upgrade?
[11:42] <opi> sid77: if you're running unstable version :)
[11:42] <ogra> Pozac: if you fear something gets removed, upgrade is safer
[11:42] <sid77> opi, I survive dist-upgrading hoary... I should live well with a dist-upgrade warty :)
[11:42] <Pozac> ogra, ah
[11:42] <opi> sid77: you should :)
[11:43] <opi> sid77: I still didn't upgrade to Horay :P
[11:43] <spikeb> dont
[11:43] <spikeb> heh
[11:43] <winipegm> spikeb i dont seem to see it in the package manager what would it be under
[11:44] <opi> spikeb: I'll do it on uproductive version of Ubuntu
[11:44] <opi> spikeb: so if something will die, well, that's developers life
[11:44] <spikeb> winipegm, click on search and type libgtk - it's the libgtk1.2 package
[11:44] <spikeb> opi, heh
[11:44] <winipegm> ok
[11:44] <spikeb> (im hoping it's not in universe heh)
[11:44] <Setite> silly coaster
[11:45] <Pozac> :/
[11:45] <winipegm> its installed already
[11:46] <Setite> is it?
[11:46] <spikeb> winipegm, ok good
[11:46] <spikeb> winipegm, dont worry about it then
[11:46] <Setite> is it?
[11:46] <winipegm> hehe
[11:46] <winipegm> ok
[11:46] <Setite> what are yall on about?
[11:46] <spikeb> winipegm, noiw with the cd version, i had to copy the installer file to my hard drive so i could switch cds, but you dont have to worry about that
[11:46] <winipegm> setite installing ut2004
[11:47] <winipegm> ok
[11:47] <winipegm> hehe
[11:47] <spikeb> winipegm, open a console, go to the dvd directory (i have no idea what it is ... /mnt/dvd maybe)..
[11:47] <winipegm> root?
[11:47] <winipegm> or regular
[11:48] <spikeb> regular
[11:49] <jaye> Hi
[11:49] <winipegm> ok
[11:49] <winipegm> done
[11:49] <winipegm> im in the dir
[11:49] <spikeb> ok
[11:49] <spikeb> winipegm, now type sudo sh linux-installer.sh
[11:49] <spikeb> winipegm, and type in YOUR password, and the installer should pop up on your screen
[11:50] <jaye> What's a good IDE for C or C++ that works in gnome?
[11:50] <winipegm> ok
[11:50] <winipegm> its doin its thing
[11:50] <spikeb> jaye, ajunta is the only one i know of - dunno if it is good though
[11:50] <winipegm> damn
[11:50] <winipegm> cd key
[11:50] <winipegm> u have one?
[11:50] <winipegm> hehe
[11:50] <spikeb> heh
[11:50] <winipegm> i forgot where i put mine
[11:50] <jaye> spikeb, do you nkow how to run kde apps in gnome?  I'm trying to figure out if I can run kdevelop
[11:51] <spikeb> jaye, they should run fine - and show up in the gnome menu
[11:51] <winipegm> mines a cracked version will it make a dif?
[11:51] <spikeb> hmm
[11:51] <spikeb> it might
[11:51] <winipegm> stil have to copy of crack/.
[11:51] <jaye> ok
[11:51] <Pozac> I think that's 'anjuta'
[11:51] <winipegm> ?
[11:51] <spikeb> winipegm, i'm not sure, it might make a diff
[11:51] <winipegm> ok
[11:51] <spikeb> and no, i dont have a cd key (to share) but you can google one
[11:51] <spikeb> the windows and linux versions share cd keys
[11:52] <spikeb> now ill shutup about that before i get in trouble
[11:52] <winipegm> i have seen it installed on gentoo before with the same cd i got
[11:52] <winipegm> =)
[11:52] <Pozac> spikeb, a squadcar is headed to your address.
[11:52] <karim> hi
[11:52] <spikeb> hi Karakth
[11:52] <spikeb> er karim
[11:52] <winipegm> brb gonna look for key upstairs in my room hehe
[11:53] <mike_douglas> Anyone here ever been successful with getting a refund for the MS Windows bundled with their PC?
[11:54] <spikeb> not i mike998
[11:54] <spikeb> damnit
[11:54] <spikeb> stupid tab. that was for mike_douglas
[11:54] <Pozac> lol, spikeb
[11:54] <Pozac> you suck
[11:55] <spikeb> aye
[11:55] <spikeb> brb
[11:55] <mike_douglas> :-/ the problem is that it is a display model, so I'm not sure if I'm entitled to the refund
[11:55] <pzensius> what is this place?
[11:55] <spikeb> i think you should be, if they can sell you the license.
[11:55] <jaye> How can someone on a windows box connect to my hard disk?
[11:56] <e-Jah> hi
[11:56] <jaye> I have a fat32 partition
[11:56] <e-Jah> lut seb128
[11:56] <jaye> and a etx2 or somethin
[11:57] <e-Jah> great work guys ! I tested Warty today, very exciting, but i had done the warrior in trying Hoary and i broke my gnome :] 
[11:59] <jaye> So anyone know how to network to a windows box?
[11:59] <winipegm> spikeb what can i do to overright the ut2004.exe what command