=== asw [~asw@node-423a728a.bos.onnet.us.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@218.111.150.164] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@218.111.150.164] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@218.111.149.83] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:25] froud: you around? [06:29] hello hornbeck! === froud is back (gone 10:42:03) [06:30] good morn [06:30] african grettings [06:31] I am only here a sec === froud rubs the mist from his eyes [06:34] froud now has access [06:34] I am going to leave now :-) [06:35] hornbeck, thanks [06:35] email me if anything goes wrong, I made a backup right before giving access to him :-) === froud thanks the doc team [06:35] he he :-) [06:35] you can use hot-backup.py [06:36] yeah, I know [06:36] Thanks for all your help [06:36] I just woke yp [06:36] up [06:36] 07:30 here in Johannesbrg === froud ponders why he is awake so early [06:59] hornbeck, you still alive :-) [06:59] do you have a https interface for commit access [07:05] I am getting an authentication error while trying to setup for svn [07:05] svn: Commit failed (details follow): [07:05] svn: MKACTIVITY of /faq/!svn/act/1b5d1b7c-46ec-0310-9a18-d0e28e8fc7c3: authorization failed (http://69.155.172.150) [07:06] can anyone help here === enrico welcomes froud among the committers === froud thanks enrico [07:18] enrico [07:19] but Im not ther eyet [07:19] uhm... authentication error... [07:19] Hmmm [07:19] tried checking out http://yourusername@69.155.172.150 ? [07:19] ehm, http://yourusername@69.155.172.150/faq ? [07:20] no i did svn co http:..... --username ... --password ... [07:20] then, when you do commit, you should be prompted for your password once and that's it [07:20] Ah, allright. That should be it, then [07:20] Ok will fgive it a try [07:22] It did not prompt me just did co [07:22] It doesn't prompt at the checkout [07:22] only at commit [07:22] so each time I do commit I need to pass the password ? [07:23] no the password will keep after your first commit [07:23] or it shouldl [07:23] should [07:23] ok so same as stcin stdout sv:// [07:23] stdin [07:23] svn:// [07:23] there is no svn:// [07:23] http:// [07:24] just http:// [07:24] yes what I mean is it is the same as when using stdin/stdout on a svn:// protocol [07:24] the only difference now is you can svn commit [07:24] yes [07:24] Should we not use https:// [07:24] this is temporary right now [07:24] OK [07:25] never meant to be a long term thing [07:25] I made it so we would have something [07:25] I am off to bed [07:25] email problems to me, I will be back in about 6.5 hours [07:25] He he no I have stuff to do === froud deprive enrico of a few minutes sleep [07:26] enrico is wide awake (14:27 here :) [07:27] However, I'm about to go out (they're waiting for me downstairs) [07:27] ok chow [07:28] see you all later! [07:29] problem solved === [froud] [~sean@ndn-165-159-61.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~sean@ndn-165-159-61.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud is away: Off doing something else === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:26] enrico.. [11:26] ciao [11:28] Ciao! [12:00] froud: Could you perhaps edit the wiki/DocBook page I started and give some more guidelines on how we will work? Like entities, xmllint, suggested editor applications etc? Would help. === froud is back (gone 01:01:47) [12:18] ChrisH, where exactly in wikipedia is this page? URL [12:19] sivang: ping [12:21] froud: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocBook and http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocBookReference [12:22] froud: That is as much as I know about DocBook which was enough to get started :) [12:28] OK thanks I will take a look and make changes [12:44] abelli: pong [12:48] ChrisH, see this article http://www.sastc.org.za/articles/xml-solv-prop.html [12:49] ChrisH: heheheh [12:49] :) [12:49] I have published it under creative commons [12:49] froud: Shalom Yedidi! [12:49] sivang, shalom [12:49] ehhh, creative commons, what a wonderful license.. [12:49] sivang, you need to do svn up [12:50] actually everyone using svn needs to do svn up, except ChrisH [12:50] froud: any new stuff for me there? [12:50] :) [12:50] The makefile is not ready, I am busy with it [12:50] when last did you do svn up ? [12:51] anybody seen enrico? [12:51] froud: very general... but nice for starters [12:51] sivang, just do it [12:51] Nike (tm) ? [12:51] :) [12:51] ChrisH, yes, but gets th epoint of why use xml [12:51] froud: Right... [12:51] froud: How the heck do you have five penguins in ZA? :) [12:52] Five linux boxes :-) [12:52] Oh... okay. [12:52] Pengiuns would have been funkier though. [12:52] froud: done, now what? [12:52] each a different breed of penguin [12:53] yelp userguide.xml [12:53] and the others to see they work [12:53] for you [12:54] sivang, userguide is now at docbook 4.3 as a test [12:54] 4.3, meaning new standards new featrues? [12:55] sivang, only problem is with the 4.3 task element, we dont use it yet, but I intend to so Shaun (GNOME) will add this to Yelp [12:55] The other docs are using docbook 4.1.2 [12:55] still [12:56] froud: ok, you have to do some explenation for the technically challanged amongs us..:) [12:56] Notice how the ubuntu icon is now displayed [12:56] sivang, look at the srcs see how it works [12:56] froud: what is task element? [12:57] you will notice stuff like &publisher; [12:57] task element is a new element that was introduced in docbook 4.3 [12:57] question time [12:58] btw, the logo doesn't display at all over my setup. [12:58] On the contents page ? [12:58] yes [12:58] Hmm hangon [12:59] ChrisH: torf is down or something? [01:00] sivang: should not be... what are you missing? [01:02] sivang, svn up [01:02] in root of trunk [01:02] lemme try again [01:05] he is right [01:05] sivang, cd quickguide [01:05] yelp quickguide.xml [01:05] eh, I did it for the userguide, you should love it also a bit :) [01:06] the logo display there is b0rked. [01:06] yes something I need to find out why [01:06] But I will be moving userguide.xml to parts [01:06] then rename parts to userguide [01:07] do you see it in the quick guide [01:07] I don't get it, are you merging the usersguide with the quickguide? [01:07] didn't we agree that this is not what was decided?> [01:07] no [01:08] not allowed to remember [01:08] :) [01:08] I said I will mv userguide.xml to parts [01:08] sivang: Every project (users guide, quick guide, whatever else) is getting an own directory. Nothing less. [01:08] then mv parts to usersguide [01:08] sivang: So although the repository is still called "faq" it contains all the projects. [01:09] Yes, this is a small things [01:09] ChrisH: ah ok :) so we get more oder [01:09] It will still be a week until no one else but froud understands the structure. ;) [01:09] I want to rename fq2 to faq [01:09] not odor :) order.. [01:09] yes [01:10] Does the quickguide load the image for your? [01:10] well, froud should write up a guide for the new doc proj structure. [01:10] froud: yes [01:10] OK my mistake [01:10] sivang: Yes, asked him already to polish my DocBook[Reference] Wiki pages. [01:10] quickguide is using docbook 4.3 [01:10] sivang: He makes me look stupid. :) [01:10] froud: toss in a "new documentation structure guide" for free ? [01:11] ChrisH: what do you think this makes me look like? more stupid then you... [01:11] sivang, not many changes from the usual [01:11] we just have a greater degree of indirection [01:11] sivang: Then you are extra stupid. [01:11] sivang, cd to trunk/ [01:12] sivang: We will meet at the next SUDWC... [01:12] less global.ent [01:12] sivang: (Stupid Ubuntu Doc Writers Conference) [01:12] ChrisH: I find it growing as the days go by, X,XX,XXX,XXXX,XXXX,..... :) [01:12] froud: THERE [01:12] sorry for the caps [01:12] ok you see entities [01:12] a few of them [01:13] yep? [01:13] froud: what do you define as entities? [01:13] [01:13] [01:13] [01:13] [01:13] [01:13] [01:13] ChrisH: very ery stupid ubuntu doc project starter.. [01:13] [01:13] [01:13] [01:13] [01:13] right [01:13] froud: but this is a _directory_ , what you pasted are contents from files... [01:14] yes are you in trunk/ [01:14] froud: yes I am. [01:14] ok do less global.ent [01:14] drwxr-xr-x 3 pooh pooh 142 2004-12-28 13:51 common [01:14] drwxr-xr-x 3 pooh pooh 140 2004-12-28 14:01 debian [01:14] drwxr-xr-x 4 pooh pooh 57 2004-12-28 13:51 fq2 [01:14] -rw-r--r-- 1 pooh pooh 1298 2004-12-28 13:51 global.ent [01:14] drwxr-xr-x 3 pooh pooh 38 2004-12-28 13:51 images [01:14] drwxr-xr-x 3 pooh pooh 17 2004-12-28 13:51 libs [01:14] -rw-r--r-- 1 pooh pooh 564 2004-12-27 13:31 Makefile [01:14] drwxr-xr-x 11 pooh pooh 141 2004-12-27 13:31 parts [01:14] drwxr-xr-x 4 pooh pooh 64 2004-12-28 13:51 quickguide [01:14] -rw-r--r-- 1 pooh pooh 2258 2004-12-27 13:31 README [01:14] drwxr-xr-x 7 pooh pooh 153 2004-12-28 14:05 .svn [01:14] -rw-r--r-- 1 pooh pooh 779 2004-12-27 13:31 ubuntu.xsl [01:14] -rw-r--r-- 1 pooh pooh 4543 2004-12-28 13:51 usersguide.xml [01:14] -rw-r--r-- 1 pooh pooh 10 2004-12-28 13:51 VERSION [01:14] -rw-r--r-- 1 pooh pooh 998 2004-12-27 13:31 xinclude.mod [01:15] I do recognize on ething, my "debian" folder :) [01:15] yo dude what ar eyou doing [01:15] in bash do less global.ent [01:15] ok, sec. [01:15] ok, I have the file infront of me. [01:16] OK those or entities [01:16] take the first one [01:16] [01:16] Ok, I know this, I know XML :) just didn't understadn what you defined as entities at first place, [01:16] if you insert &userguide-rev; in your doc it will be included [01:16] because one might have different definitions to it. [01:16] yes I know. [01:17] ok, so that simplifies and stream lines alot. good [01:17] OK see the new doctype decl [01:17] btw, why do you need a shoutcast entiy? [01:17] it was use din the docs [01:17] eh ok.. [01:17] see the DocType Decl in userguide.xml [01:17] "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/docbookx.dtd" [ [01:17] [01:17] %xinclude; [01:17] [01:17] doctype decl is in the global ? [01:17] %globalent; [01:17] ] > [01:17] see above [01:18] ok, some of this I recognize, [01:18] global.ent is defined in all files in this manner withinn the internal subset [01:18] now you see xinclude.mod [01:18] this is also defined in all files [01:18] yes, that what I dind't understand [01:18] you mean, included in all files. [01:18] ? [01:19] OK xinlcude.mod adds the xi namespace to the docbook dtd [01:19] because you defined it once on the global.ent [01:19] yes [01:19] ok [01:19] xinclude.mod is docboook std? [01:19] any entity defined in global.ent is available to all documents [01:19] so when I need an entity I do [01:19] SYSTEM.