[12:00] <Cloudchaser> i kinda do jaye
[12:00] <Cloudchaser> took me a while but
[12:00] <Cloudchaser> i installed samba and smbclient
[12:01] <jaye> ok
[12:01] <Cloudchaser> set that all up, also in network settings
[12:01] <jaye> Do you need one of them on the winbox?
[12:01] <Cloudchaser> there's a place for windows networking
[12:01] <Cloudchaser> no
[12:01] <Cloudchaser> when you sent up smbpasswd on ubuntu set it for the username and pw ofthe user logged into the windows
[12:02] <jaye> ok
[12:02] <Cloudchaser> also, the network browser in ubuntu doesn't seem to work
[12:02] <ACIDnet_> hey - can someone help me with a bit of C++ plz :) :) :)
[12:02] <spikeb> winipegm, no clue
[12:02] <jaye> ACIDnet, what's up?
[12:03] <winipegm> copy paste should work?
[12:03] <winipegm> just overwrite
[12:03] <seb128> lu e-Jah
[12:03] <Cloudchaser> samba.org has tutorial for setting up samba
[12:03] <ACIDnet_> jaye: wrote some code, and well, it aint working
[12:03] <jaye> You will have to be more specific ACIDnet.
[12:03] <Cloudchaser> http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/introduction.html
[12:03] <jaye> Thanks Cloudchaser.
[12:04] <ACIDnet_> jaye: is there somewhere i can post the code for you to look at and see if u can see whats wrong
[12:04] <Cloudchaser> np once you get that set up then you mount the shares with read/write permissions for users
[12:04] <ACIDnet_> im very new to C++, doing it as part of comp sci and the notes aint great
[12:04] <Cloudchaser> put a line in /etc/fstab and have it mount them automatically
[12:04] <winipegm> ok easy question how do i get my aplications i installed to show on the taskbar thingy
[12:04] <winipegm> or rather the list of programs
[12:05] <spikeb> winipegm, many of them will show up automatically
[12:05] <winipegm> oh
[12:05] <winipegm> xmms didnt
[12:05] <winipegm> :(
[12:05] <Cloudchaser> most of mine don't spikeb
[12:05] <spikeb> the rest, you have to edit by hand - right click in the submenu you want to add it to
[12:05] <winipegm> awww pooh
[12:05] <Cloudchaser> thats what i had to do
[12:05] <spikeb> most of mine have shown up
[12:05] <jaye> Couldchaser, thanks
[12:05] <spikeb> but i use mostly gnome stuff heh
[12:06] <jaye> ACIDnet, ok what are you trying to code?
[12:06] <jaye> What compiler?
[12:06] <Cloudchaser> jaye if you need more specific help as you go, just hollar
[12:06] <winipegm> just my xmms didnt show up
[12:06] <jaye> Cloud, ok thanks.
[12:06] <ACIDnet_> jaye: Its just a mini-shell,  read in a line from the user, and do something based on it - and loop
[12:06] <Cloudchaser> it was very tricky for me, not as simple as it was on another linux
[12:06] <Cloudchaser> and somethings kinda broken in ubuntu nautilus..maybe its just something in the newer gnome..
[12:06] <Cloudchaser> not sure
[12:07] <Cloudchaser> i used 2.4 kernel before and older gnome
[12:07] <joh_> is it possible to get powernowd to set the CPU power to max, when on battery?
[12:07] <Cloudchaser> but i read there's some sort of gnome-vfs bug
[12:08] <jaye> ACDI, ok paste your code here and send me the link
[12:08] <jaye> http://rafb.net/paste/
[12:08] <jaye> in a PM... I'm doing other things so I can easily find your msg.
[12:14] <theNeonGod> how would i go about removing everything hal/dbus related (configs too) and reinstalling those components? first time i plugged in my external HDD it worked fine, now it isn't popping up. wanna start from scratch to figure out the problem
[12:17] <SickMind> well im just here to say that : ubuntu rocks, verry nice distro indeed
[12:19] <izmaelis> hi
[12:19] <jaye> SickMind, I concur
[12:19] <tjs> anyone having trouble with python-codegen-2.0 from the python-gtk2-dev package not finding gdk-types.defs?
[12:19] <tjs> in hoary that is
[12:19] <izmaelis> how to enable apps to use gtk2 instead of gtk?
[12:20] <spikeb> thats a programming decision for many apps
[12:20] <spikeb> and a compile time option for the rest
[12:21] <izmaelis> so it's impossible if using binary installation method?
[12:21] <winipegm> spike do i just do ut2004 in run to start game?
[12:21] <jaye> how do I make a file not read only?
[12:22] <calc> use chmod
[12:23] <spikeb> winipegm, yes
[12:23] <spikeb> izmaelis, believe so
[12:23] <jaye> I have to go out of my way to open a command prompt to chmod a file just to edit it.
[12:23] <winipegm> ok
[12:23] <winipegm> what happends is it opens the folder
[12:24] <spikeb> hmm
[12:24] <calc> jaye: there are other various ways depending on what you are trying to do
[12:24] <spikeb> winipegm, run ut2004 from the console, or look for a menu entry
[12:24] <jaye> I want to edit the smb config file.
[12:24] <jaye> it's read only
[12:24] <spikeb> in the applications menu
[12:24] <Cloudchaser> use sudo
[12:24] <winipegm> ok
[12:24] <Cloudchaser> sudo gedit smb.conf
[12:24] <Cloudchaser> or whatever editor you want to use
[12:24] <winipegm> in term just type ut2004?
[12:25] <spikeb> winipegm, yeah
[12:25] <izmaelis> gtk1 interface is ugly enough for me to compile apps on my own
[12:25] <jaye> I have to be in the command prompt to do that though.  Takes the point out of gui.
[12:25] <winipegm> bash: ut2004: command not found
[12:25] <Cloudchaser> yup
[12:25] <spikeb> izmaelis, you can fix that
[12:25] <winipegm> =(
[12:25] <spikeb> winipegm, try /usr/local/games/ut2004 or something similar
[12:25] <winipegm> ok
[12:25] <Cloudchaser> same thing will happen when you try to unmount your shares from the desktop icons by right-clicking on them
[12:25] <calc> jaye: sudo vim path/filename
[12:25] <spikeb> izmaelis, install industrial for gtk1, and change your theme from human to industrial
[12:26] <Cloudchaser> i think though
[12:26] <Cloudchaser> you can change the command to run gedit graphically
[12:26] <calc> or see if there is a smb config gui installed already that modifies it
[12:26] <Cloudchaser> like...
[12:26] <spikeb> winipegm, actually, it'd be /usr/local/games/ut2004/ut2004 or such
[12:26] <Cloudchaser> you put "gksudo" in front of the command in the menu
[12:26] <Cloudchaser> and it will prompt you for a password
[12:26] <jaye> ok
[12:26] <Cloudchaser> in the properties
[12:27] <Cloudchaser> no quotes though ;)
[12:27] <calc> chmoding config files so you can write to them is not considered a good idea :)
[12:27] <winipegm> bash: /usr/local/games/ut2004/ut2004: No such file or directory
[12:28] <calc> since that would typically require setting o+w which is a really bad idea
[12:28] <spikeb> winipegm, well look for the right directory
[12:28] <winipegm> the exe is in the System folder
[12:28] <Cloudchaser> calc i didn't suggest that ;)
[12:28] <winipegm> i kno where it is
[12:28] <calc> Cloudchaser: didn't say you did
[12:28] <winipegm> this is what i get
[12:28] <jaye> Cloudchaser, properties in what?
[12:28] <izmaelis> spikeb, theme changes, but creepy font bothers me on
[12:28] <winipegm> winnipegm@S0106000f1f7b4a9e:~/ut2004/System $ ut2004
[12:28] <winipegm> bash: ut2004: command not found
[12:28] <izmaelis> (-:
[12:28] <spikeb> izmaelis, yeah not much i can do about that
[12:28] <spikeb> winipegm, ./ut2004
[12:28] <winipegm> ok
[12:29] <Cloudchaser> ok for gedit, if you go to applications, accessories
[12:29] <Cloudchaser> and slide your mouse over "Text Editor" then right click on it
[12:29] <Cloudchaser> choose properties
[12:29] <theNeonGod> really looking for someone to help me out w/ a hal/dbus problem. anyone here know a good bit about either of those?
[12:29] <spikeb> not me
[12:30] <jaye> oh cool
[12:30] <winipegm> innipegm@S0106000f1f7b4a9e:~/ut2004/System $ /UT2004
[12:30] <winipegm> bash: /UT2004: No such file or directory
[12:30] <jaye> add sudo infront of the command?
[12:30] <winipegm> :(
[12:30] <Cloudchaser> what i would suggest though..would be to add gedit into menu again as root gedit or something
[12:30] <Cloudchaser> so you don't always access it as sudo
[12:30] <jaye> Does it readonly everything by default?
[12:30] <Cloudchaser> not
[12:31] <Cloudchaser> no
[12:31] <Cloudchaser> only system files
[12:31] <jaye> oh
[12:31] <jaye> ok then it's not a big deal.
[12:31] <Cloudchaser> things that only root can edit
[12:32] <jaye> in the smb config is the ; preceding a line a comment out?
[12:32] <Cloudchaser> yes
[12:32] <Cloudchaser> so if you want that line, remove the semicolon
[12:32] <jaye> k
[12:32] <Cloudchaser> i set samba server to do wins
[12:33] <Cloudchaser> so you can connect via names instead of addresses
[12:33] <jaye> I have no idea what half this stuff is.
[12:33] <Cloudchaser> handy for dhcp
[12:33] <Cloudchaser> you dont need to edit alot
[12:33] <Cloudchaser> sec i'll open mine
[12:33] <jaye> wins server?
[12:33] <Cloudchaser> unless you have your own dns server :)
[12:33] <jaye> lol nope
[12:33] <jaye> so uncomment wins server = w.x.y.z ?
[12:34] <Cloudchaser> no
[12:34] <jaye> oh
[12:34] <Cloudchaser> thats to tell samba where the wins server is like if windows has wins server
[12:34] <jaye> oh
[12:34] <jaye> wins support = no
[12:34] <Cloudchaser> wins support= yses
[12:34] <jaye> should be uncommented and turned to yes?
[12:34] <Cloudchaser> hehe yes that
[12:34] <Cloudchaser> change it to yes
[12:35] <Cloudchaser> ok let me go through it from the top
[12:35] <Cloudchaser> set your workgroup
[12:35] <jaye> k
[12:35] <jaye> I really appreciate this
[12:35] <Cloudchaser> same as your windows machines
[12:35] <jaye> @HOME
[12:35] <Cloudchaser> just put the name not the @
[12:35] <jaye> no that's the name
[12:35] <Cloudchaser> one sec
[12:36] <jaye> On windows it's @home as the name that's like their logo
[12:36] <Cloudchaser> is that the internet provider?
[12:36] <jaye> err name
[12:36] <jaye> yea
[12:36] <jaye> yeah
[12:36] <Cloudchaser> ok you dont want that
[12:36] <jaye> Our workgroup in windows is @home
[12:36] <Cloudchaser> windows machines have workgroups if they're not in a domain
[12:37] <Cloudchaser> hmm can you use symbols in a workgroup name?
[12:37] <jaye> yes
[12:37] <Cloudchaser> well you can try it
[12:37] <jaye> I'm pretty sure it's part of the name.  I can always change it
[12:37] <winipegm> whats a good dvd software
[12:37] <calc> winipegm: to play dvds?
[12:37] <calc> totem-xine
[12:37] <winipegm> yup
[12:37] <winipegm> ok
[12:37] <calc> with libdvdcss
[12:38] <winipegm> do i need to dl that or will it be installed?
[12:38] <jaye> Are there any decent linux games?
[12:38] <calc> have to get it from marillats site i think
[12:38] <izmaelis> why gtk-theme-switch isn't working?
[12:38] <jaye> actually first I need to finish this networkn
[12:38] <Cloudchaser> jaye we need to back up here for a minute
[12:38] <Cloudchaser> this might save some time too
[12:38] <jaye> Couldchaser, ok
[12:38] <Cloudchaser> close out of there without saving for now
[12:38] <calc> jaye: all the id games are available for linux along with UT, etc
[12:38] <jaye> calc, cool
[12:38] <jaye> I hate fps's though
[12:39] <jaye> well actually..
[12:39] <winipegm> calc?
[12:39] <jaye> the starwars ones are good.
[12:39] <calc> winipegm: 17:39 < calc> have to get it from marillats site i think
[12:39] <Cloudchaser> go to commputer, system configuration, network settings
[12:39] <jaye> And Jedi acdemy is built on Q3
[12:39] <calc> winipegm: see the wiki about restricted formats for info
[12:39] <winipegm> marillates site?
[12:39] <winipegm> ok
[12:39] <jaye> I see Networking but not network settings
[12:40] <Cloudchaser> ok thats it
[12:40] <jaye> ok yeah
[12:40] <calc> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:40] <Cloudchaser> then go to general tab
[12:40] <jaye> ah, just like windows
[12:40] <Cloudchaser> click on enable windows networking
[12:40] <jaye> It's clicked
[12:40] <Cloudchaser> it shows your domain/workgroup?
[12:40] <jaye> yes
[12:40] <Cloudchaser> if not put that in there
[12:40] <jaye> What's the %h do?
[12:40] <jaye> in the description?
[12:41] <Cloudchaser> i dont know :)
[12:41] <Cloudchaser> mine has it too
[12:41] <jaye> probably some type of timestamp or something similar
[12:41] <jaye> so is that it?
[12:41] <Cloudchaser> ok so thats already done
[12:41] <Cloudchaser> ok just wanted to make sure
[12:41] <jaye> yes that's done
[12:41] <Cloudchaser> then we go back  into smb.conf
[12:42] <jaye> k
[12:42] <Cloudchaser> the workgroup line was commented out or uncommented?
[12:42] <jaye> it was uncommented by default
[12:42] <Cloudchaser> ok cool
[12:42] <Cloudchaser> then server string should be the same as the line with %h
[12:42] <jaye> so do I just not change anything?
[12:42] <jaye> ok
[12:42] <Cloudchaser> with the host name and samba
[12:42] <Cloudchaser> wins support=yes
[12:43] <jaye> k
[12:43] <Cloudchaser> ok then if you scroll down
[12:43] <Cloudchaser> to security=user
[12:43] <jaye> ok
[12:44] <jaye> there
[12:45] <Cloudchaser> if you want your windows hosts to have access to the unix pc without having an account
[12:45] <Cloudchaser> on the unix box
[12:45] <Cloudchaser> leave it commented out
[12:45] <jaye> Will that leave me open for attacks?
[12:45] <Cloudchaser> well that depends on how secure your network is..its one more level of security
[12:46] <Cloudchaser> i think
[12:46] <jaye> ok well I'll leave that for now.
[12:46] <Cloudchaser> that when i try to access my linux box from windows
[12:46] <Cloudchaser> i can see it and when i dc on it in windows it asks for user name and pw
[12:46] <Cloudchaser> try it and see later
[12:46] <jaye> yeah
[12:46] <jaye> what's next?
[12:46] <Cloudchaser> my entry is commented out still
[12:47] <Cloudchaser> for windows 2000 and higher
[12:47] <Cloudchaser> encrypt passwords=true
[12:47] <jaye> what about 98?
[12:47] <Cloudchaser> hmmm
[12:47] <Cloudchaser> i think 98 too
[12:47] <jaye> ok
[12:47] <jaye> I would hope so
[12:47] <guidedspirit> hi
[12:47] <jaye> lol
[12:47] <guidedspirit> i would like a personal opinion.
[12:47] <Cloudchaser> have to check on that though in samba.org
[12:48] <guidedspirit> wich is better ubuntu or mandrake?
[12:48] <Cloudchaser> the next few are uncommented by default
[12:48] <Cloudchaser> guidedspirit, i like ubuntu better
[12:48] <Cloudchaser> remember where you are
[12:48] <Cloudchaser>  too
[12:48] <Cloudchaser> this is an ubuntu room
[12:48] <Cloudchaser> if you go into a mandrake room
[12:48] <jaye> I've never used mandrake because the site was a bit confusing.
[12:48] <Cloudchaser> they'll say they like mandrake better
[12:48] <guidedspirit> yep
[12:48] <guidedspirit> the thing is i dont have as many packages as mandrake
[12:49] <Cloudchaser> i never used mandrake because i had troubles installing it a while back
[12:49] <guidedspirit> hmm
[12:49] <jaye> ditto
[12:49] <Cloudchaser> best thing is to try them both
[12:49] <Cloudchaser> and make your own decision
[12:49] <jaye> this is the only I've ever got installed.
[12:49] <Cloudchaser> i used rh9 before ubuntu
[12:49] <guidedspirit> well can u give me some +'s that ubuntu has that mandrake doesnt?
[12:50] <Cloudchaser> i never used mandrake
[12:50] <Cloudchaser> so i couldn't tell you any
[12:50] <jaye> guided.... read articles on them.
[12:50] <jaye> That's how I decided.
[12:50] <Cloudchaser> or try them both for first hand experience
[12:50] <jaye> I decided on ubuntu because it looks like it has a real good support system.
[12:50] <jaye> Updates enough.
[12:50] <jaye> and is solid.
[12:50] <guidedspirit> oh
[12:50] <guidedspirit>  i had 8.2
[12:51] <pseudo> Is the easiest way to upgrade to hoary is to change the apt sources.list file and performa and apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:51] <guidedspirit> i think maybe its because i have ubuntu community addition
[12:51] <jaye> i got emacs but I can't fin dit.
[12:51] <Cloudchaser> jaye the next few lines i left default like this:
[12:51] <Cloudchaser>    passdb backend = tdbsam guest
[12:51] <Cloudchaser>    obey pam restrictions = yes
[12:51] <Cloudchaser> ;   guest account = nobody
[12:51] <Cloudchaser>    invalid users = root
[12:51] <Cloudchaser> then scroll down to printing
[12:51] <guidedspirit> rather than official
[12:51] <guidedspirit> but i really like the diffrent desktops but ubuntu doesnt have any "diffrent" ones
[12:51] <K-Rich> hi all
[12:52] <Cloudchaser> what do you mean different desktops?
[12:52] <K-Rich> i have another issue :/
[12:52] <jaye> I'm at printing
[12:52] <Cloudchaser> jaye i left all the printing ones alone
[12:52] <K-Rich> i did a ctrl-alt-backspace from within X and now when i try to log back in my desktop doesn't load
[12:52] <Cloudchaser> i use a windows printer share
[12:52] <Cloudchaser> but that doesn't require any changes to samba
[12:53] <pseudo> anyone?
[12:53] <linuxjones> K-Rich, login then type startx
[12:53] <pseudo> ^^^ just a quick question
[12:53] <Cloudchaser> you set that up separately in the printing gui
[12:53] <Cloudchaser> whats the question pseudo?
[12:53] <K-Rich> linuxjones: GDM is loaded
[12:53] <guidedspirit> i mean like kde
[12:53] <guidedspirit> not just gnome
[12:53] <guidedspirit> kde, blackbox
[12:53] <pseudo> the easiest way to upgrade to hoary
[12:53] <pseudo> Cloudchaser, apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:53] <guidedspirit> that kind of thing
[12:53] <jaye> ok cloud... anything else need to change?
[12:54] <Cloudchaser> ah pseudo i have never done it
[12:54] <Cloudchaser> i'm on warty still
[12:54] <pseudo> Cloudchaser, specifically changing warty to hoary
[12:54] <Cloudchaser> pseudo check the wikis on ubuntu
[12:54] <jaye> What's the difference between warty and hoary?
[12:54] <Cloudchaser> warty is stable
[12:54] <Cloudchaser> hoary is testing
[12:54] <pseudo> jaye, packages, specifically developmental, and kernal patches
[12:54] <jaye> That's what I thought.
[12:55] <jaye> I like stable.
[12:55] <guidedspirit> anyone know any different desktops other than the original gnome
[12:55] <jaye> KDE is pretty clean
[12:55] <Cloudchaser> ok jaye go to share definitions
[12:55] <Cloudchaser> first section is homes
[12:55] <K-Rich> anyone have any ideas? it seems to be a gnome issue to me
[12:55] <jaye> at file sharing?
[12:55] <jaye> or further down?
[12:56] <guidedspirit> but i dont have kde!
[12:56] <jaye> found it
[12:56] <Cloudchaser> further down
[12:56] <guidedspirit> i checked my package manager
[12:56] <guidedspirit> and i dont have kde
[12:56] <Cloudchaser> i have my home directorys browseable = yes
[12:56] <Cloudchaser> read only = no
[12:56] <jaye> yeah I couldn't find it either.
[12:56] <guidedspirit> thats exactly what i want kde!
[12:56] <jaye> ok
[12:57] <jaye> try a different distro.
[12:57] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, you need to add the universe repository
[12:57] <jaye> or there's that.
[12:57] <K-Rich> linuxjones : how do i startx with gdm loaded?
[12:57] <guidedspirit> how do i do that linuxjones?
[12:57] <Cloudchaser> then i have writable= yes on the next section
[12:57] <linuxjones> K-Rich, /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[12:57] <Cloudchaser> group permissions i left as the default
[12:58] <winipegm> i need sum help installing totem-xine i cant fine it ne where
[12:58] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, can you edit files using nano or vi ?
[12:58] <jaye> k
[12:58] <guidedspirit> yes
[12:58] <ogra> guidedspirit, winipegm: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[12:58] <winipegm> ok
[12:58] <Cloudchaser> if you want to share your linux pc's printer you'd uncomment that section
[12:58] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, ok you need to edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:58] <Cloudchaser> thats about it
[12:58] <jaye> sweet
[12:58] <Cloudchaser> save it
[12:59] <jaye> Do I need to reboot to get onto the network?
[12:59] <Cloudchaser> restart the samba daemons
[12:59] <Cloudchaser> wait
[12:59] <jaye> Is that from terminal?
[12:59] <jaye> k waiting
[12:59] <Cloudchaser> yes
[12:59] <Cloudchaser> from terminal
[12:59] <Cloudchaser> then we check your smb.conf ;)
[12:59] <K-Rich> linuxjone: i don
[12:59] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, modify the line in there to read like this >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[12:59] <guidedspirit> ok i am in
[01:00] <jaye> how do we do that?
[01:00] <guidedspirit> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[01:00] <guidedspirit> like that
[01:00] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, now save it and apt-get update
[01:00] <Cloudchaser> at command line type sudo testparm /etc/samba/smb.conf
[01:00] <K-Rich> linuxjones: i don't think you understand, on boot i have a graphical login screen, when i tye my user name and pasword i get a cursor, and a brownish screen, just no panel or icons
[01:00] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, or you can use synaptic
[01:01] <Cloudchaser> it will look at your conf file and tell you if anything is wrong
[01:01] <linuxjones> K-Rich, is this a new install to a fresh machine ?
[01:01] <Cloudchaser>  Always run testparm again whenever the smb.conf file is changed!
[01:01] <guidedspirit> can i use synaptic
[01:01] <jaye> testparam command not found
[01:01] <guidedspirit> i like the gui based progs :)
[01:01] <Cloudchaser> testparm
[01:01] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, sure jsut hit the reload button then search for kde
[01:01] <guidedspirit> lol
[01:02] <guidedspirit> there is no kde!
[01:02] <guidedspirit> thats what i was saying
[01:02] <K-Rich> linuxjones: yes, i hit ctrl-alt-backspace, and this is the result
[01:02] <winipegm> thanks
[01:02] <winipegm> :)
[01:02] <jaye> loaded services file OK.
[01:03] <Cloudchaser> ok that looks good
[01:03] <Cloudchaser> then
[01:03] <linuxjones> K-Rich, did you try restarting gdm ?
[01:03] <guidedspirit> i search in the synaptic manager for kde under names and definitions and the stuff thats listed is already downloaded
[01:03] <K-Rich> linuxjones: i even tried rebooting
[01:03] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, you have kdebase installed ?
[01:03] <linuxjones> K-Rich, did you update your system ?
[01:04] <guidedspirit> i get desktop-base, openoffice stuff, and gaim
[01:04] <guidedspirit> i got desktop-base
[01:04] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, type sudo apt-get update in console
[01:04] <jaye> I've got a bunch of packages... I just don't know how to use them.
[01:04] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, are there any errors that come up ?
[01:04] <jaye> LIke where the executable for some are.
[01:04] <K-Rich> linuxjones: i've done nothing, i went to logout on the first login, the logout dialog never showed up after 5 minutes, so i hit ctrl-alt-backspace... nthing else
[01:05] <Cloudchaser> jaye
[01:05] <Cloudchaser> did you add a user to samba?
[01:05] <jaye> Coludchaser, I don'think so.
[01:05] <Cloudchaser> how many windows pc's do you have on your network?
[01:05] <jaye> 3 including this one.
[01:05] <guidedspirit> yes
[01:05] <jaye> err
[01:05] <linuxjones> K-Rich, you can do sudo -s (to get to a root console) then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[01:05] <jaye> 2
[01:05] <jaye> this isn't windows
[01:05] <Cloudchaser> ok
[01:05] <guidedspirit> root@h4x0r:/home/deepfreeze # sudo apt-get update
[01:05] <guidedspirit> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:05] <guidedspirit> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:05] <Cloudchaser> do they use the same username/pw to log into them?
[01:06] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, close synaptic
[01:06] <jaye> no
[01:06] <guidedspirit> lol
[01:06] <Cloudchaser> ok so you need to add two then
[01:06] <guidedspirit> -_-
[01:06] <jaye> ok
[01:06] <jaye> how do I do that?
[01:06] <winipegm> sweet totem-xine is installed :) but one more step im stuck at totem could not play 'file///media/cdrom0/VIDEO_ts/VIDEO_TS.IFO'. There is no plugin to handle this movie.
[01:06] <Cloudchaser> type: smbpasswd -a usernameofwindowsuser
[01:06] <K-Rich> from a console?
[01:06] <guidedspirit> no errors now
[01:06] <calc> winipegm: do you have libdvdcss installed?
[01:06] <linuxjones> K-Rich, yeah that will upgrade all packages on your system
[01:06] <winipegm> lemme check
[01:06] <Cloudchaser> oh hm one sec on that
[01:06] <guidedspirit> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:06] <guidedspirit> :)
[01:07] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, now do apt-cache serach kde
[01:07] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, err search
[01:07] <guidedspirit> apt cache?
[01:07] <linuxjones> yeah
[01:07] <linuxjones> apt-cache search kde
[01:07] <jaye> Cloudchaser, does it have to be the sameone they use to login to their own system?
[01:07] <Cloudchaser> i'm sorry jaye i can't remember if i used my username or windows username...hold a sec
[01:07] <linuxjones> does it output anything ?
[01:08] <jaye> Is it their computer name or the computer name?
[01:08] <Cloudchaser> one sec
[01:08] <guidedspirit> i did
[01:08] <guidedspirit> same thing
[01:08] <guidedspirit> same thing as before came up
[01:08] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, you didn't save the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[01:09] <winipegm> i dont see that lib ne where
[01:09] <jaye> k
[01:09] <guidedspirit> darn it
[01:09] <guidedspirit> my bad
[01:09] <linuxjones> lol
[01:09] <guidedspirit> lets pretend that never happend
[01:09] <Cloudchaser> ok here's what i did
[01:09] <Cloudchaser>  $ sudo smbpasswd -a your_system_username
[01:09] <Cloudchaser> $ sudo gedit /etc/samba/smbusers
[01:09] <winipegm> libdvdcss is not in the selections
[01:09] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, you didn't add the hoary reference did you ?
[01:10] <Cloudchaser> Insert the following line into the new file
[01:10] <Cloudchaser> your_system_username = "your network username"
[01:10] <guidedspirit> no
[01:10] <guidedspirit> i mest up
[01:10] <jaye> The username in the windows login box, right?
[01:10] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, ok don't that would be bad
[01:10] <guidedspirit> so what do i input in the vi thing
[01:10] <Cloudchaser> the smbpasswd = your linux username
[01:10] <guidedspirit> exactly what do i put
[01:10] <Cloudchaser> and pw
[01:10] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, use nano vi and emacs are for 3-fingered hippies
[01:10] <ultrakorne> how sudo works in ubuntu, i need to add a cmd without passwd but "ultra ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/savepower" doesnt work
[01:11] <Cloudchaser> the smbusers would be yourlinux username = windows login name1
[01:11] <winipegm> calc where else would i find that
[01:11] <guidedspirit> ?
[01:11] <guidedspirit> so i am in vi
[01:11] <Cloudchaser> where i get confused is...if you have two different windows login names, do you do it for each
[01:11] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, don't use vi
[01:11] <guidedspirit> what do i put in for that file
[01:11] <guidedspirit> sources.list
[01:11] <Cloudchaser> i have same username/pw on 2 of my windows pcs
[01:11] <Cloudchaser> so i just have the one
[01:11] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, hit escape >> : wq
[01:12] <guidedspirit> ok
[01:12] <jaye> crap
[01:12] <guidedspirit> i dunno what to put in!
[01:12] <jaye> one of the logins has a space in the username
[01:12] <guidedspirit> ok
[01:12] <Scorp> hey how do I install curses onto my machine (the library, not ncurses, but curses)
[01:12] <Cloudchaser> hmm
[01:12] <guidedspirit> what do i use then?
[01:12] <Cloudchaser> not sure on that one jaye
[01:12] <linuxjones> :P
[01:12] <calc> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:13] <winipegm> ok
[01:13] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, type nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:13] <Cloudchaser> try putting it in quotes maybe?
[01:13] <seymour> hi
[01:13] <Cloudchaser> or first try it with username without spaces
[01:13] <seymour> can anyone tell me how do i rerun the 2nd stage of the install process?
[01:13] <Cloudchaser> we can get one working at a time
[01:13] <Cloudchaser> so you know where the issues are
[01:13] <guidedspirit> ok
[01:13] <Scorp> anyone? How do I install a library such as curses onto my machine?
[01:13] <ogra> seymour: run base-config
[01:13] <K-Rich> linuxjones: still not loading
[01:14] <sls> does anyone know if there are facilities to install UBUNTU unattended, like RedHats kickstart?
[01:14] <linuxjones> now add universe to the end of the line that says >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[01:14] <guidedspirit> done
[01:14] <guidedspirit> now what
[01:14] <K-Rich> i'm sure it's somehow gnome is like locked
[01:14] <guidedspirit> so all i typ is deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[01:14] <K-Rich> it just fails to load
[01:14] <calc> sls: not sure, but i do know it at least is being worked on
[01:14] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, type ctrl + o
[01:14] <guidedspirit>  >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[01:14] <jaye> Cloud, I'm getting real confused and this is hard to follow can we talk in IM?
[01:14] <sls> calc: ok
[01:15] <calc> sls: not sure if its ready to be used by regular users yet
[01:15] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, press enter to save and exit
[01:15] <seymour> ogra it doesn't do the same thing. it tried to install some pkgs and failed, how can i get there again?
[01:15] <Cloudchaser> jaye yes we can
[01:15] <guidedspirit> but i havnt typed anything in
[01:15] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, you need to add universe to the end of that line dude
[01:15] <guidedspirit> linuxjones: do all i typ is  >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[01:15] <linuxjones> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[01:15] <ogra> seymour: have you tried to reboot ? if base-config hasnt ended properly, it should run the process again
[01:16] <seymour> ogra i ended it.
[01:16] <seymour> ogra i didnt try
[01:16] <ogra> seymour: huh ?
[01:16] <sls> calc: i'm thinking that since i only had to answer a couple of questions in the installer there could be a way to answer them B4
[01:16] <ogra> seymour: why did you end it ?
[01:16] <guidedspirit> ok
[01:16] <guidedspirit> lol
[01:16] <K-Rich> [6~[6~
[01:16] <K-Rich> ugh
[01:16] <linuxjones> K-Rich, can you create a new user account to see if something is borked in your main user account
[01:16] <guidedspirit> so i typed that in
[01:17] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, type ctrl + o
[01:17] <K-Rich> will try noe
[01:17] <K-Rich> now
[01:17] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, press enter to save and exit
[01:17] <seymour> ogra: i had a problem with my network card. and had to do a mii-tool flag to fix it. :(
[01:17] <calc> sls: yes
[01:17] <ogra> :(
[01:17] <seymour> ogra: anyways, seems aptitude is downloading 397 megs of something, and that could be it. the lost pkgs ;)
[01:17] <ogra> yep
[01:18] <spikeb> why are both eog and gthumb installed by default?
[01:18] <seymour> ogra does it install gnome and friends by default?
[01:18] <ogra> seymour: yep....
[01:18] <guidedspirit> ok
[01:18] <seymour> i find the no-root-password very annoying
[01:18] <ogra> seymour: they are all pulled in by ubuntu-desktop (which is a empty meta package)
[01:18] <guidedspirit> done
[01:18] <guidedspirit> :)
[01:18] <guidedspirit> sorry i get confused
[01:19] <guidedspirit> now what
[01:19] <seymour> ogra: hopefully, it will install that too
[01:19] <spikeb> you can't find it annoying. it's the difference between sudo and su
[01:19] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, heh now update
[01:19] <ogra> seymour: its actually a lot safer the a root account
[01:19] <spikeb> (two fricken letters)
[01:19] <seymour> ogra yes, but i'd like to know the root password too. i bet there is one
[01:19] <guidedspirit> with synaptic?
[01:19] <ogra> seymour: if not, just install that package....
[01:19] <spikeb> no there is not
[01:19] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, sure hit reload
[01:19] <spikeb> there isn't a root password, because it isn't set, because the account is disabled.
[01:19] <ogra> seymour: that is the trick, there is none
[01:19] <linuxjones> then do serach for kde
[01:19] <linuxjones> err search
[01:20] <lerio> hi everyone. how do i install gtk themes on ubuntu?
[01:20] <winipegm> ok i installed libdvdcss2 and libdvdcss2-dev still no workie
[01:20] <spikeb> same as any other distro lerio
[01:20] <ogra> seymour: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:20] <guidedspirit> its downloading things
[01:20] <guidedspirit> :)
[01:20] <linuxjones> good it's updating the new file lists
[01:20] <linuxjones> click search and type kde
[01:20] <seymour> ogra does it have a xfree configurator or such? or do i have to configure it manually?
[01:20] <guidedspirit> 5 out of 10
[01:21] <[Kou-Linux] > hi
[01:21] <lerio> i downloaded the tar.gz from a themes site. then clicked the install option from the theme menu, selected the tar.gz but nothing happened
[01:21] <ogra> seymour: normally it configures itself... :)
[01:21] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, you on dialup ?
[01:21] <K-Rich> linuxjones: same with new user
[01:21] <winipegm> calc =(
[01:21] <lerio> (i'm not very familiar w linux, though)
[01:21] <linuxjones> K-Rich, are there any error messages that appear ?
[01:21] <spikeb> lerio, close and then start the theme preferences thing again
[01:21] <ogra> lerio: you probably need to logout and in again
[01:21] <guidedspirit> dang
[01:21] <guidedspirit> i am on dialup
[01:21] <spikeb> lerio, sometimes it's stupid about it (its a bug)
[01:22] <linuxjones> guidedspirit, yikes it might take a while
[01:22] <spikeb> i dont care WHAT the devs say.
[01:22] <spikeb> heh
[01:22] <ogra> lerio: but try spikebs suggestion before ;)
[01:22] <seymour> ogra okay, i am very impressed by this. seems pretty cool
[01:22] <guidedspirit> dialup goes slower on ubuntu for some reason
[01:22] <guidedspirit> oh well
[01:22] <winipegm> nm
[01:22] <seymour> ogra is gnome custom compiled for ubuntu or is it the debian one
[01:22] <winipegm> it works now
[01:22] <lerio> ogra: i'll try right now. see u later!
[01:22] <winipegm> woot
[01:22] <spikeb> seymour, custom
[01:22] <seymour> spikeb, nice
[01:22] <ogra> spikeb: why do you think the devs would consider this not a bug ?
[01:23] <seymour> spikeb, the default debian one seemed kind of slow for me
[01:23] <ogra> seymour: its the ubuntu one ;)
[01:23] <K-Rich> linuxjones: nothing
[01:23] <spikeb> ogra, devs can be stupid like that from time to time.
[01:23] <ogra> spikeb: they use the same desktop you use ;)
[01:23] <spikeb> :)
[01:23] <seymour> i have another question. what if ubuntu means something obscene? something about moms or such
[01:23] <ogra> spikeb: so they get annoyed by the same bugs *g*
[01:24] <spikeb> seymour, no. it means humanity
[01:24] <K-Rich> back to sid
[01:24] <ogra> to others
[01:24] <K-Rich> screw this
[01:24] <spikeb> or humanity to others
[01:24] <spikeb> woops
[01:24] <spikeb> K-Rich, bye
[01:24] <K-Rich> 3 errors in 2 days
[01:24] <[Kou-Linux] > i try to installing i386 wiki but i have this message in the check CD-ROM integrity: the ./pool/main/u/util-linux/bsdutils_2.12-7ubuntu6_i386.deb file failed the md5 checksum
[01:24] <seymour> okay, ill take your word
[01:24] <ogra> seymour: look in the wiki for "meaning of ubuntu"
[01:24] <K-Rich> naw
[01:24] <K-Rich> one more try
[01:24] <ogra> seymour: there is a lobng description....worth to read
[01:24] <[Kou-Linux] > i try to burn 3 times but the error is the same with nero,dvddecr & alchohol
[01:25] <seymour> 30 secs remaining, oh boy
[01:25] <K-Rich> maybe 3rd times the charm no?
[01:25] <Scorp> man oh man
[01:25] <K-Rich> reinstalling again
[01:25] <Scorp> Where can I download more bandwidth?
[01:25] <Scorp> (...and the room goes silent, lol)
[01:25] <ogra> K-Rich: what broke ?
[01:25] <nevyn> Scorp: ooh. if you find it.. tell me.
[01:25] <Scorp> :)
[01:25] <Scorp> sure
[01:26] <Scorp> first I'm going to download somewhere harddruve space though
[01:26] <seymour> Scorp id like to download a new computer :P
[01:26] <ogra> [Kou-Linux] : hoary ?
[01:26] <spikeb> me too seymour :)
[01:26] <Scorp> seymour you're going to have to find some hardcore WaReZ site for that
[01:26] <[Kou-Linux] > i try to check the bsdutils file in the md5 and...68dfca93b399520d2809e72d74d575ff  ./pool/main/b/bsdmainutils/bsdmainutils_6.0.15_i386.deb i have this one
[01:27] <seymour> Scorp i'd kill for a second hand powerpc though. i like macs.
[01:27] <ogra> [Kou-Linux] : do you use hoary ?
[01:27] <seymour> Scorp for running ubuntu u know
[01:27] <[Kou-Linux] > but on your site i find a different one The MD5sum for bsdutils_2.12-7ubuntu6_i386.deb is 4805f247f1e90f22a948b6a9b82e8bb7
[01:27] <seymour> Scorp what's your speed to the ubuntu reps?
[01:27] <Scorp> I'm running ubuntu on a PowerPC powerbook g3
[01:27] <spikeb> heh
[01:27] <Scorp> my speed to the what?
[01:27] <spikeb> hows that working?
[01:28] <seymour> Scorp you lucky bastard. to the apt repositories
[01:28] <Scorp> pretty fast?
[01:28] <Scorp> iono
[01:28] <spikeb> i might get a thinkpad to run ubuntu on
[01:28] <calc> winipegm: did you read the link i pasted?
[01:28] <seymour> Scorp like? how many kb/s ? why are you complaining then?
[01:29] <jaye> how do I add the universal list of packages or whatever it's caled ot synaptic's options?
[01:29] <spikeb> jaye, put universe in the repository section
[01:29] <jaye> just universe?
[01:29] <ogra> jaye: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[01:29] <Scorp> seymore I was complaining? I wasn't complaining
[01:30] <jaye> ty ty
[01:30] <seymour> Scorp you said you'd like more bandwidth. but whatever :P
[01:30] <ogra> jaye: there is a shot with universe ;)
[01:30] <Scorp> seymour :) how the fQ#$%^^ do I download and install curses?
[01:30] <Scorp> with out being too smart
[01:30] <jaye> wow, chess is exactly what I want lol
[01:30] <seymour> Scorp are you having fun?
[01:31] <Scorp> sort of
[01:31] <jaye> which one is universe?
[01:31] <seymour> Scorp cause if you're having fun, you need no curses
[01:31] <ogra> jaye: look in the second screenshot
 will updateing to hoary automagically install the new kernel as well?
 quick question ^^^
[01:32] <jaye> k
[01:32] <ogra> jaye: make it look like that
[01:32] <ogra> reload and be happy
[01:32] <pseudo> The reason I ask is because I did not see it as a selected package.
[01:32] <Cloudchaser> ogra
[01:32] <Cloudchaser> i'm trying to help jaye with samba
[01:32] <ogra> pseudo: hoary uses 2.6.9
[01:32] <pseudo> ok
[01:32] <Cloudchaser> but his samba daemons fail to start
[01:32] <pseudo> that's what I thought
[01:33] <Cloudchaser> so..i'm kinda stuck now ;)
[01:33] <ogra> Cloudchaser: is it configured correctly ?
[01:33] <pseudo> ogra, There just wan't mention of it in the packages while upgrading from warty. So I was conserned
[01:33] <jaye> cloud, it started...
[01:33] <Cloudchaser> hmm he says it started when he didn't use sudo
[01:33] <jaye> yeah it started when I didn't use sudo.
[01:33] <jaye> and sudo isn't asking for a pw.  I'm not root.
[01:33] <jaye> odd
[01:33] <liquidboy> is jack installed in ubuntu by deafault?
[01:34] <seymour> jaye are you sure you're not root? you look like one
[01:34] <ogra> pseudo: was any linux-image pkg among them ?
[01:34] <ogra> liquidboy: mope
[01:34] <ogra> jaye: did you play with your sudoers file ?
[01:34] <Cloudchaser> mine won't start/stop without sudo
[01:34] <liquidboy> ogra: mope = nope? :P
[01:34] <pseudo> linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386 <---- Doh, I missed it, sorry for the confusion
[01:35] <ogra> Cloudchaser: they shouldnt :)
[01:35] <jaye> I havne't messed with any files except smb.conf
[01:35] <ogra> liquidboy: yep, sorry
[01:35] <liquidboy> i looked up synaptic, and it told me it was already installed...?
[01:35] <Cloudchaser> are you in the sudo console window?
[01:35] <Cloudchaser> there's one for sudo and one for user
[01:35] <liquidboy> ive tried to install ardour (multitrack recorder) but it couldnt connect
[01:35] <ogra> liquidboy: unlikely
[01:35] <drspin> how can I make mplayer stretch the video to fill the screen??
[01:35] <seymour> drspin press F?
[01:35] <ogra> drspin: -zoom
[01:35] <drspin> it goes fullscreen but todesn't stretch
[01:36] <seymour> drspin use another -vo option
[01:36] <ogra> drspin: put -zoom in the options.... in ~/.mplayer/config
[01:36] <seymour> drspin man mplayer, search for the explained -vo option
[01:36] <seymour> ogra that won't do
[01:36] <seymour> ogra i guess
[01:37] <ogra> seymour: thats software scaling...should do it always, but without the right -vo it gets very slow ;)
[01:38] <Cloudchaser> ok ogra...level 1 support failed for jaye...time for higher level of support here ;)
[01:38] <Cloudchaser> we edited smb.conf
[01:38] <ogra> Cloudchaser: soon....moment....
[01:38] <Cloudchaser> and did a useradd
[01:38] <Cloudchaser> ok
[01:38] <seymour> ogra: so you're subtile saying i m right. anyways, how can i start x11 in ubuntu?
[01:38] <spikeb> wonder when beagle will be ready for primetime
[01:39] <lerio> even after logging out i had no luck.
[01:39] <seymour> whats beagle?
[01:40] <karim> hi
[01:40] <spikeb> seymour, a search utility type deal
[01:40] <karim> is it possible to upgrade a debian to an ubuntu ?
[01:40] <gwildor> yes
[01:40] <karim> gwildor, without reinstalling ?
[01:40] <gwildor> lol...yeah
[01:41] <gwildor> just change your sources.....
[01:41] <[Kou-Linux] > someone italian here?
[01:41] <lerio> Kou-Linux: yes
[01:41] <[Kou-Linux] > bene
[01:41] <seymour> how can i start the x server in ubuntu? startx?
[01:42] <seymour> how can i set it to default fire-up gdm
[01:42] <ogra> gwildor: sid or sarge to warty wont work out of the box
[01:42] <[Kou-Linux] > a ki posso rompere un attimo le palle in query?
[01:42] <ogra> seymour: it should do this for you
[01:42] <gwildor> ogra, i was only asked if it was possible, but i guess he should know that
[01:43] <gwildor> ogra, what about sid or sarge to hoary?
[01:43] <seymour> ogra so when i reboot now it should start gdm. okay rebooting :P
[01:43] <ogra> gwildor: you need pinning knowledge
[01:43] <pseudo> Thanks for your help
[01:43] <gwildor> ogra, thnx :)
[01:44] <ogra> now, thats better
[01:44] <ogra> gwildor: there are some wiki pages for this issue....
[01:44] <liquidboy> ogra, is it real coffee?
[01:44] <liquidboy> (like espresso coffee- or at least plunger)
[01:44] <liquidboy> ?
[01:45] <ogra> yep...1am here....
[01:45] <ogra> in fact its espresso.....
[01:45] <ogra> Cloudchaser, jaye: ?
[01:45] <liquidboy> *Excelent*
[01:46] <Cloudchaser> ok i think his samba isn't running
[01:46] <Cloudchaser> right
[01:46] <drspin> gmplayer -zoom does the trick
[01:46] <Cloudchaser> looking up what the ps status he has is
[01:46] <Cloudchaser> Ts
[01:46] <liquidboy> i cant beleive people use filters for their coffee, it's just wrong. the coffee ends up burned, and it just tastes bitter... *yuk*
[01:46] <Cloudchaser> ?
[01:47] <ogra> his, him
[01:47] <Cloudchaser> oh hehe
[01:47] <jaye> ogra!
[01:47] <ogra> hehe
[01:47] <Cloudchaser> yes thats bad of me being a female myself
[01:47] <spikeb> LOL
[01:47] <drspin> how do I change default programs when double clicking files??
[01:47] <drspin> in GNOME
[01:47] <ogra> drspin: right click, properties....
[01:48] <Cloudchaser> hehe i'm used to being the only one or not too many of us in linux rooms
[01:48] <huttan> anyone know of a good program to bind mousebuttons ?
[01:48] <ogra> jaye: so, now lets see.... did the smbd really start without sudo
[01:48] <jaye> it said it did
[01:48] <Cloudchaser>  root      8026  0.0  0.3  8980 2984 ?        Ts   17:05   0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -
[01:49] <Cloudchaser> that looks like the process is terminated, no?
[01:49] <ogra> Cloudchaser: i'm happily recognizing that there is an increasing female amount in ubuntu
[01:49] <Cloudchaser> ah how many here besides me?
[01:49] <ogra> Cloudchaser: no idea, i see only nicks lol
[01:49] <jaye> Ogra said it's increasing.
[01:49] <jaye> Didn't say by how much
[01:49] <Cloudchaser> hehe
[01:50] <Cloudchaser> hey 1 is more than 0
[01:50] <ogra> Cloudchaser: but at least today i recognized a new woman in the ML
[01:50] <Cloudchaser> besides me?
[01:50] <axu_> hi
[01:50] <ogra> jaye: could you post your smb.conf in #flood
[01:50] <ogra> Cloudchaser: yep
[01:50] <jaye> ok
[01:50] <dseomn> does ubuntu warty install automatically resize fat32 windows partitions and add windows to grub?
[01:51] <Cloudchaser> his smbd should still start and we did the testparm
[01:51] <ogra> dseomn: 1. nope, 2. yes
[01:51] <jaye> uhh
[01:51] <ogra> dseomn: 1 will get solved in hoary
[01:51] <Cloudchaser> cool ogra i like to see more women linux users too
[01:51] <axu_> samba throws me the foloowing message and refuses to le[2004/12/28 01:42:58, 0]  lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1000)
[01:51] <axu_>   getpeername failed. Error was Transport endpoint is not connected
[01:51] <axu_> t a windows 2000 client open a shared folder :( anyone a clou ?
[01:51] <seymour> dudes, is there any tool to configure the services that automatically start on ubuntu?
[01:51] <dseomn> ogra: will it let you resize them?
[01:52] <Cloudchaser> axu when do you see that message?
[01:52] <Cloudchaser> what are you doing when you get it?
[01:52] <[Kou-Linux] > byez
[01:52] <ogra> dseomn: nope, it does nearly anything else automatically but currently no resize
[01:53] <ogra> Cloudchaser: http://women.alioth.debian.org/
[01:53] <spikeb> there's debian women,  but no ubuntu women
[01:53] <jaye> It's there
[01:53] <jaye> the fail?
[01:54] <ogra> spikeb: underway
[01:54] <spikeb> cool
[01:54] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WomenInUbuntu
[01:54] <spikeb> ogra, good idea since it seems many of the debian folk (who aren't involved with ubuntu) don't like ubuntu or think its offtopic
[01:55] <Cloudchaser> i'm not a developer though
[01:55] <ogra> spikeb: better say some....some really like it
[01:55] <ogra> Cloudchaser: but a woman that uses ubuntu ?
[01:55] <Cloudchaser> yes
[01:55] <spikeb> the ones who really like it tend to be involved
[01:56] <spikeb> the ones who IRC in #debian are very mouthy about it not being debian
[01:56] <spikeb> heh
[01:56] <crimsun> Cloudchaser: doesn't matter, really. Everyone can be involved in some fashion.
[01:56] <axu_> id like to copy 20 files from a windows cleint to my ubuntu client :( really no fun
[01:56] <seymour> dudes, is there any tool to configure the services that automatically start on ubuntu?
[01:56] <spikeb> my involvement consists of passing out ubuntu cds
[01:56] <ogra> jaye: sure thats all ?
[01:56] <axu_> any ther way but samba to do this fast ?
[01:56] <seymour> like xprint and that
[01:57] <axu_> !ftp
[01:57] <ogra> jaye: it ends with:# through syslog you should set the
[01:57] <spikeb> well, i also hang out here, obviously.
[01:57] <jaye> ogra, I copied and pasted the whoel thing.
[01:57] <Cloudchaser> axu how are you trying to do it now?
[01:57] <ogra> jaye: is the last sentence like that ?
[01:57] <Cloudchaser> drag/drop from file manager or from command line?
[01:58] <Cloudchaser> haha
[01:58] <Cloudchaser> i don't think so
[01:58] <Cloudchaser> i still need to defer to you for issues
[01:59] <ogra> Cloudchaser: noot sure if i can solve it though
[01:59] <axu_> Cloudchaser: i wrote the options for a sahre into smb.conf, added a sambauser and restartet samba
[02:00] <Cloudchaser> did you do testparm to make sure your smbconf file is workable?
[02:00] <Cloudchaser> and did you make sure your workgroup was set?
[02:00] <spikeb> heh
[02:00] <Cloudchaser> then, did you mount the windows share with read/write permissions?
[02:00] <spikeb> the wiki refers to users as customers in the women section
[02:00] <spikeb> ugh
[02:00] <axu_> Processing section "[shared] "
[02:00] <axu_> Loaded services file OK.
[02:01] <spikeb> some of us are anti business you know :P
[02:01] <Cloudchaser> samba lets you access your linux share from windows, smbclient lets you access your windows share from linux
[02:01] <Cloudchaser> you have smbclient installed too?
[02:01] <axu_> Cloudchaser: wise, you are
[02:01] <axu_> Cloudchaser: no why shoukd i ?
[02:01] <spikeb> yogo, you speak like.
[02:01] <spikeb> er
[02:02] <spikeb> yoga
[02:02] <axu_> ;)
[02:02] <spikeb> yogo? wtf
[02:02] <axu_> yoda
[02:02] <spikeb> gah
[02:02] <spikeb> my brain must be more tired than i thought
[02:04] <Cloudchaser> ok axu..try this: smbclient -L yoursambaserverHostName
[02:04] <spikeb> i thought nautilus could handle samba shares (browsing them)
[02:04] <Cloudchaser> nautilus browsing shares doesn't work in ubuntu
[02:04] <ogra> spikeb: it can....
[02:04] <ogra> spikeb: but for some ppl it doesnt work
[02:04] <jaye> ok now it's all there.
[02:04] <jaye> Processing section "[homes] "
[02:04] <jaye> Processing section "[printers] "
[02:05] <jaye> Processing section "[print$] "
[02:05] <jaye> Loaded services file OK.
[02:05] <jaye> Server role: ROLE_STANDALONE
[02:05] <jaye> Press enter to see a dump of your service definitions
[02:05] <jaye> I don't know how to mount the windows shares.
[02:05] <jaye> yes
[02:05] <Cloudchaser> we didn't get that far yet
[02:05] <Cloudchaser> because your daemons weren't working
[02:06] <axu_> unabkle to fetch machine password
[02:06] <axu_> hmmm
[02:06] <axu_> i dont want to use nautilus, nautilus blows
[02:07] <Cloudchaser> axu when that asked for a pw, did you use same pw as you set for smbpasswd -a yourlinuxusername?
[02:07] <axu_> Cloudchaser: yes
[02:07] <ogra> just for the record, if someone wants a easy smb.conf, i'll post mine in #flood
[02:07] <jaye> any ideas on why my smbclient doesn't work?
[02:07] <axu_> hmm, does the user need a valid shell ?
[02:08] <Cloudchaser> axu i used my username/pw
[02:08] <ogra> jaye: i'm still diggin in this terrible file
[02:08] <jaye> k
[02:08] <Cloudchaser> and it has to be a user on your system
[02:08] <Cloudchaser> i'd like to see your easy one ogra
[02:08] <Cloudchaser> i'll copy it for future reference ;)
[02:08] <ogra> Cloudchaser: join #flood
[02:09] <Cloudchaser> i did
[02:09] <axu_> Cloudchaser: i have user: user pass: pass both as system and samba users
[02:09] <axu_> simpler it cant be :) no space for errors
[02:09] <Cloudchaser> hehe
[02:09] <winipegm> i have gnome installed why is it i cant install kde?
[02:10] <axu_> well, now im stuck
[02:10] <huttan> anyone know how to set mousebuttons to do something specific?
[02:10] <axu_> thanks for the fisj
[02:10] <ogra> winipegm: you can
[02:10] <winipegm> ok
[02:11] <winipegm> then why does it deny me each timei do it
[02:11] <Cloudchaser> axu if you go to samba.org they have some troubleshooting tips
[02:11] <jaye> ogra, do I rewirte mine with the one you posted?
[02:12] <ogra> jaye: if you want . but keep in mint that the export folder (but only this one) is world read and writable
[02:12] <winipegm> keeps saying could not mark all packages for installation or upgrade
[02:13] <jaye> ?
[02:13] <ogra> winipegm: you have universe enabled ?
[02:13] <winipegm> yes
[02:13] <jaye> Well, did you see anything wrong in mine?
[02:13] <ogra> jaye: nope
[02:13] <ogra> jaye: looks ok....
[02:13] <Seq> does anybody know why my fstab is no longer updated with removable media in hoary?
[02:14] <ogra> Seq: it never was
[02:14] <jaye> any idea on what could be wrong?
[02:14] <Seq> well, that answers that, but i could have sworn hal updated it before.
[02:14] <Cloudchaser> jaye try restarting and see if your smb daemons start on boot
[02:14] <Cloudchaser> they should
[02:14] <jaye> k
[02:15] <ogra> jaye: look in the logfile you defined in the smb.conf
[02:15] <Cloudchaser> then we'll try the smbclient thing again
[02:15] <Cloudchaser> oh hehe
[02:15] <winipegm> yes universe is enabled
[02:15] <jaye> log file?
[02:15] <ogra> jaye: and in /var/log/daemon.log
[02:15] <ogra> jaye: from your conf:    log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
[02:16] <jaye> which log.
[02:16] <jaye> there's three.
[02:16] <ogra> jaye: there should be errors .... if it didnt start
[02:16] <jaye> oh yeah
[02:16] <jaye> lots
[02:17] <ogra> jaye: show the end (10 lines or so) in flood
[02:17] <ultrakorne> what's wrong with that sudoer file -> http://ultrakorne.altervista.org/sudoers
[02:17] <ultrakorne> i cant run command savepower without asking for PASSWD
[02:17] <ogra> ultrakorne: did you edit it without visudo ?
[02:17] <ultrakorne> yes
[02:17] <jaye> k
[02:17] <ultrakorne> no sorry
[02:17] <ogra> ultrakorne: never i repeat, never ever do that !!!
[02:17] <ultrakorne> i edited with visudo of course
[02:17] <ogra> ultrakorne: ah ok
[02:18] <winipegm> ne clue ogra?
[02:18] <winipegm> does this
[02:18] <winipegm> kde:
[02:18] <winipegm>  Depends: kde-core but it is not going to be installed
[02:18] <Cloudchaser> axu you should check those logs too
[02:18] <winipegm> but there is more then that as well
[02:18] <Seq> ogra: any idea how to have hald update fstab when removable media is detected, then?
[02:19] <Seq> ogra: i'll google it anyway, but figured i might as well ask since i'm here already
[02:19] <ogra> Seq: if it is in fstab it will not get automounted
[02:19] <ogra> Seq: make sure the user is in the plugdev group
[02:19] <jaye> anything?
[02:20] <ogra> jaye: looks very bad....
[02:20] <Seq> ogra: my removable disk is not in fstab already, and I am in plugdev
[02:20] <jaye> oh yeah
[02:20] <jaye> Well, what did I break I ponder.
[02:20] <ogra> jaye: do you have the security updates enabled in synaptic ?
[02:20] <Seq> ogra: it gets mounted fine, it just doesn't update fstab with an entry, though there is a script to do this in /etc/hal/device.d/
[02:21] <ogra> Seq: it gets mounted by pmount which doesnt fiddle with fstab... that script is disabled
[02:22] <jaye> checks
[02:22] <Seq> ogra: i noticed. i'll just google it then
[02:22] <winipegm> sum one help me with KDE :(
[02:22] <ogra> jaye: it loos like a broken binary or something like that, that also explains the Ts status in the processlist
[02:22] <winipegm> its not doin whats it supposed to be doin
[02:22] <jaye> how do I enable the ubates?
[02:23] <ogra> winipegm: what excactly do you install
[02:23] <nicktastik> Is there a ban on TOR nodes in here?
[02:23] <ogra> jaye: there is a repo line with security in it... check the box there
[02:24] <jaye> they are checked
[02:24] <ogra> jaye: which package version of samba is installed ?
[02:25] <ogra> winipegm: install the kde-core package
[02:25] <ogra> ultrakorne: is /usr/bin/savepower executable ?
[02:25] <jaye> I'm upgrading everything that it detected newer versions for... I'll look when it's done.
[02:26] <miausX_> hi :)
[02:27] <ultrakorne> ogra: yes, the problem is sudo ask me the password
[02:27] <winipegm> i tryed the kde
[02:27] <winipegm> ill try that kdecore
[02:27] <ultrakorne> if i give him the pass, all works, but i set NOPASSWD... i cant understand
[02:28] <mcthorogood>       /help
[02:28] <winipegm> kde-core wont install 3 depenbs
[02:28] <winipegm> depends
[02:28] <ogra> ultrakorne: there my be a additional setting anywhere.... for security reasons
[02:29] <ogra> winipegm: which ones ?
[02:29] <winipegm> umm
[02:29] <winipegm> arts kdebase and kdelibs
[02:29] <jaye> I have samba & smbclient 3.0.7
[02:29] <ultrakorne> ogra, so what's your suggest? ask on ml?
[02:30] <jaye> I'm going to restart.
[02:30] <jaye> And see if there's anything new.
[02:30] <jaye> brb
[02:30] <ogra> jaye: 3.0.7-1ubuntu6 ?
[02:30] <jaye> yes
[02:30] <ogra> ultrakorne: best guess, yes
[02:30] <spikeb> i still think ubuntu sounds like a breed of cow
[02:30] <jaye> lol
[02:30] <jaye> ogra, I'll brb
[02:30] <ogra> jaye: k
[02:31] <winipegm> so orga?
[02:31] <winipegm> ooppps
[02:31] <ogra> winipegm: i see them all three...
[02:32] <winipegm> ok
[02:32] <ogra> winipegm: is your package list up to date (reload in synaptic)
[02:32] <ogra> winipegm: they are all in universe...
[02:33] <liquidboy> i write this in a terminal : sudo apt-get install linux-k7 and i get this response: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:33] <liquidboy> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:33] <ogra> liquidboy close synaptic
[02:33] <liquidboy> could that be beacuse im using synaptic to download stuf already?
[02:33] <zenrox> ya
[02:33] <liquidboy> ah yep
[02:33] <liquidboy> *duh*
[02:33] <zenrox> then you gots to wate
[02:34] <liquidboy> wait?
[02:34] <jaye> ok so now what do I try?
[02:34] <zenrox> liquidboy,  i never said i could speel
[02:34] <ogra> jaye: did samba start ?
[02:34] <ogra> jaye: it should by default
[02:34] <jaye> I have no idea
[02:35] <Cloudchaser> check your processes again ;)
[02:35] <jaye> yes
[02:35] <ogra> jaye: so open a terminal and type: ps ax|grep smb
[02:35] <jaye> nmbd and smbdon root it says Ss
[02:35] <jaye> root      3357  0.0  0.2  5632 1904 ?        Ss   19:32   0:00 /usr/sbin/nmbd -D
[02:35] <jaye> root      3359  0.0  0.3  7848 2868 ?        Ss   19:32   0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D
[02:35] <ogra> jaye: great
[02:35] <winipegm> fixed
[02:35] <Cloudchaser> i'll post the smbclient command again for you
[02:35] <ogra> jaye: try to connect from win
[02:36] <winipegm> sumthing in the thing wasnt enabled
[02:36] <Cloudchaser> smbclient -L yoursambaserverHostName
[02:36] <winipegm> 16 of 504 packs
[02:36] <winipegm> dang
[02:36] <jaye> Cloudchaser, It shows me sharenames
[02:36] <winipegm> only 6 misn tho
[02:36] <Cloudchaser> shoudl show all your shares
[02:36] <Cloudchaser> right
[02:36] <Cloudchaser> ok thts good
[02:36] <Cloudchaser>  ;)
[02:36] <winipegm> * mins
[02:36] <ogra> jaye: fixed :)
[02:36] <liquidboy> zenrox: huh?
[02:37] <jaye> My box doesn't appear on the windows box network list
[02:37] <jaye> and vice versa
[02:37] <zenrox> liquidboy, i never said i could spel
[02:37] <spikeb> i think i'd rather use nfs heh
[02:37] <zenrox> spell
[02:37] <ogra> jaye: try search for computers on win
[02:37] <liquidboy> ahhhh, - yeah i figure d you meant "wait" but i wasnt questing your spelling, i was asing why i should wait... or was that not directed at me?
[02:37] <ogra> spikeb: thats a pain on win
[02:37] <Cloudchaser> i think for things to show up in the network browser you need wins
[02:38] <Cloudchaser> did you have that as yes?
[02:38] <liquidboy> *questioning
[02:38] <spikeb> ogra, SMB is a pain on everything on this network
[02:38] <nicedreams> what are you trying to do?
[02:38] <zenrox> liquidboy,  ya wait till snyaptiv to finish
[02:38] <ogra> spikeb: true
[02:38] <nicedreams> share files between linux and windows?
[02:38] <jaye> ogra, no dice
[02:38] <nicedreams> get the ip address and type this "//ipaddress"
[02:38] <ogra> jaye: did you copy my file before ?
[02:38] <speel> hey is there any major diffrences between deb sarge and ubuntu warty?
[02:39] <liquidboy> oh ok, i thought you were meaning, once synaptic is closed , you wait after that too... i think i udnerstand now :)
[02:39] <jaye> ogra, no
[02:39] <zenrox> lol
[02:39] <jaye> I have wins as yes
[02:39] <ogra> speel: yep, integration and gnome
[02:39] <speel> ah what do you mean by integration?
[02:39] <nicedreams> what is the network question?
[02:40] <ogra> speel: all the admin tools, the automagic X setup etc etc
[02:40] <jaye> ogra, they can't find my comp and I can't find theirs
[02:40] <speel> ah ok so in your personal opinion ud stick with ubuntu?
[02:40] <spikeb> ubuntu also gets timely security updates
[02:40] <spikeb> sarge, not always so
[02:41] <ogra> speel: i'm in fact trying to become a maintainer currently, a thing debian didnt manager to attract me to in 8 years of usage
[02:41] <ogra> -r
[02:41] <ogra> spikeb: sarge not at all yet
[02:42] <spikeb> ogra, it gets security updates all the time - in the form of updated packages.
[02:42] <spikeb> (heh)
[02:42] <jaye> so close
[02:42] <jaye> but so far
[02:42] <speel> ah then il just stick to ubuntu ;)
[02:42] <ogra> jaye: do you know the ip of the win box ?
[02:42] <jaye> I can get it
[02:42] <ogra> speel: you considered to switch to debian ?
[02:43] <ogra> jaye: can you ping it ?
[02:43] <nicedreams> stick with ubuntu, all the best parts of debian, but fat free
[02:43] <nicedreams> and much more updated
[02:43] <spikeb> eh
[02:43] <zenrox> nicedreams,  i agree
[02:43] <spikeb> i use ubuntu for what it's good at
[02:43] <spikeb> a desktop/workstation
[02:43] <zenrox> yep
[02:43] <zenrox> me too
[02:43] <nicedreams> i'm gonna make it our main server
[02:43] <jaye> ok I'm trying to ping it
[02:43] <drspin> ubuntu is the easiest to use Distro for me so far -- except the codecs issue but I suppose I'll let it slide ;)
[02:43] <jaye> lost all the packets
[02:44] <jaye> odd
[02:44] <ogra> speel: if you want to hear the other side, join #debian and ask them why you should switch
[02:44] <nicedreams> we've been using debian stable for our vpn/firewalls/routers/proxy/blablabla
[02:44] <nicedreams> and selling those
[02:44] <jaye> ahh there it is
[02:44] <Cloudchaser> sometimes if you can't see them they're not in same workgroup
[02:44] <nicedreams> drspin, no joke, what's up with the codecs
[02:44] <nicedreams> problem for years
[02:44] <jaye> ping is about 0.842 ms
[02:44] <speel> ah ok
[02:44] <jaye> it's never < .9 and >.8 on all of them
[02:45] <jaye> err always rather
[02:45] <jaye> so yeah i can ping it
[02:45] <ogra> jaye: why did you llose pkgs ?
[02:45] <spikeb> it'd be kinda cool to try netware's services on my network
[02:45] <spikeb> if i ever have a server
[02:45] <jaye> I put in the ip wrong
[02:45] <jaye> finger slippage
[02:45] <ogra> jaye: ah,ok
[02:46] <jaye> but is the ping going through the network hub or going through my ISP then to the computer then back through my ISP
[02:46] <ogra> jaye: do you have a local network sertup with a router ?
[02:47] <jaye> they are all plugged into a hub
[02:47] <ogra> jaye: hmm
[02:47] <jaye> will a traceroute do it?
[02:48] <Cloudchaser> should go through the hub
[02:48] <ogra> jaye: no need for that i think
[02:48] <Cloudchaser> your internal ip addresses shoulndt be routable on the internet
[02:48] <Cloudchaser> and if on same subnet, no router needed
[02:49] <ogra> jaye: oh... do a traceroute and send it to flood, just to be sure
[02:49] <Cloudchaser> just need to make sure they all have same subnet mask :) if you use dhcp they all should
[02:49] <jaye> traceroute has two results
[02:49] <jaye> me
[02:49] <speel> how how do you check the md5sum on the ubuntu disks
[02:49] <jaye> then the other comp
[02:49] <jaye> that's it
[02:49] <ogra> jaye: great
[02:49] <ogra> speel: with the md5sum command
[02:50] <ogra> jaye: hmm, probably try my smb.conf for a test
[02:50] <Cloudchaser> ogra
[02:50] <Cloudchaser> he has a symbol in his workgroup
[02:50] <Cloudchaser> @
[02:50] <jaye> use it and see if I apear?
[02:50] <jaye> yeah my workgroup name is @home.
[02:50] <jaye> it has to be that on windows.
[02:50] <ogra> jaye: try without it.....
[02:50] <method55-laptop> question from a person new to linux, how do i login so i have admin powers or something
[02:51] <method55-laptop> im trying to install a driver but when i go to terminal it keeps saying 'permission denied'
[02:51] <ogra> method55-laptop: you use sudo as the logged in user
[02:51] <method55-laptop> so username : sudo
[02:51] <method55-laptop> ?
[02:51] <ogra> method55-laptop: what kind of driver
[02:51] <method55-laptop> for my soundcard
[02:51] <nicedreams> just 'sudu -s' and screw sudo
[02:51] <method55-laptop> its an old computer
[02:51] <neighborlee> im unable to login to my ubuntu system ..getting this error  ::: unable to find: /home/neighborlee/.ICEauthority and I can't even login with failsafe...I can go in with a livecd and chroot but what do I do to fix this? ;-))
[02:51] <nuOpus> hello
[02:51] <nicedreams> nu0pus my man
[02:51] <ogra> method55-laptop: the driver is surely there... no need for external installations
[02:51] <jaye> How do I restart samba after I change config?
[02:52] <nicedreams> cd /etc/init.d
[02:52] <nicedreams> ./samba restart
[02:52] <method55-laptop> its an old ISA card
[02:52] <nuOpus> /etc/init.d/samba restart
[02:52] <ogra> neighborlee: heh, installed k3b ?
[02:52] <method55-laptop> Creative AWE64
[02:52] <neighborlee> ogra: yes but that was a while back i'm pretty sure...
[02:52] <ogra> neighborlee: logged out since ?
[02:52] <nuOpus> So how are thinks in the ubuntu world?
[02:52] <jaye> ty
[02:53] <steve_noob> Woot!  Warty install finally downloaded, going to install now brb :)
[02:53] <neighborlee> ogra: only thing different is I ( to critique it) installed FC3 on /dev/hdb5 but hdb2 with ubuntu was left intact of course....shrug I can't imagine that causing problems  though LOL
[02:53] <method55-laptop> do i login as sudo from the original login screen?
[02:53] <nuOpus> no
[02:53] <nuOpus> sudo is not a user
[02:53] <neighborlee> ogra: possibly not...I sometimes leave system on for days at a time
[02:53] <method55-laptop> <- new
[02:53] <ogra> method55-laptop: use the snd-sbawe module for this card, its installed
[02:53] <nuOpus> sudo is a program that gives you temporary root access
[02:54] <nicedreams> which is weak
[02:54] <nuOpus> root is the actual user that is disabled by default. Just remember .... root is the king user
[02:54] <ogra> nicedreams: wrong
[02:54] <nicedreams> lol
[02:54] <nuOpus> you never want to "use" root for daily things
[02:54] <method55-laptop> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+64+Value.&chip=sb16%2C+emu8000&module=sbawe was what i was going to do ogra
[02:54] <nicedreams> ogra: sry, my opionion
[02:54] <nicedreams> lol
[02:54] <jaye> no dice without the @ either
[02:54] <ogra> method55-laptop: just load the module i gave you
[02:54] <decklin> nicedreams: maybe so, but it's still wrong.
[02:54] <nuOpus> got it method?
[02:54] <nicedreams> wrong?
[02:55] <method55-laptop> i feel so stupid right now...how do i load the module?
[02:55] <ogra> nicedreams: did you read the wiki page ?
[02:55] <nicedreams> not weak in it's power
[02:55] <method55-laptop> i know nothing about linux
[02:55] <speel> but how do you check a md5sum on the ubuntu cd .. i know its the md5sum command but what do i type
[02:55] <neighborlee> ogra: so if it was k3b at fault what is the fix
[02:55] <nuOpus> what module are you trying to load?
[02:55] <nicedreams> in usage
[02:55] <nuOpus> its not a stupid question
[02:55] <nicedreams> to me at least, it's a pain in the neck
[02:55] <method55-laptop> snd-sbawe
[02:55] <ogra> method55-laptop: open a terminal window
[02:55] <nuOpus> just type sudo modprobe snd-sbawe
[02:55] <spikeb> heh
[02:55] <method55-laptop> yeah okay
[02:55] <spikeb> i thought that said snd-blows
[02:55] <ogra> method55-laptop: type: sudo modprobe snd-sbawe
[02:55] <nuOpus> spikeb: LOL
[02:56] <punkrockguy318> the hoary gnome groups all similar windows (like gaim windows).. how can I stop this?
[02:56] <method55-laptop> it asked for my password, i typed it in, and then HD ran for a second and then the terminal went back to the prompt
[02:56] <method55-laptop> so im all set?
[02:56] <method55-laptop> ill try it out
[02:56] <nuOpus> punkrockguy318: define "gnome groups"
[02:56] <GoneBoB> punkrockguy318: right click the bar
[02:56] <nicedreams> method: type 'whoami'
[02:56] <GoneBoB> left of the tasks
[02:56] <GoneBoB> there is a small bar
[02:56] <ogra> method55-laptop: if its isa it probably needs more options
[02:56] <GoneBoB> right click that
[02:56] <GoneBoB> preferences
[02:57] <punkrockguy318> ok
[02:57] <Cloudchaser> hmm i have samba all set up and wins server=samba server but i still can't ping pc's by name as i should be
[02:57] <ogra> method55-laptop: you can see possible options with modinfo snd-sbawe
[02:57] <nicedreams> you don't need wins
[02:57] <punkrockguy318> GoneBoB, oh gotcha
[02:57] <punkrockguy318> thanks
[02:57] <method55-laptop> volume control opens now
[02:57] <ogra> nicedreams: thats what i thought
[02:57] <method55-laptop> it wouldnt before
[02:57] <nicedreams> cloudchaser: are you going from linux to windows or what
[02:57] <Cloudchaser> ping from linux to windows
[02:57] <nuOpus> coudchaser: wins support=yes on one of your boxes
[02:57] <Cloudchaser> yes
[02:57] <Cloudchaser> this one
[02:57] <nuOpus> and win server=192.168.0.10
[02:57] <jaye> I still can't see connect to mine
[02:57] <nuOpus> or whatever it is
[02:57] <nicedreams> don't need wins
[02:57] <jaye> no lan party for me
[02:57] <nuOpus> wins
[02:58] <ogra> method55-laptop: as i said, if its isa it probably needs more options
[02:58] <nicedreams> don't need wins to ping another pc
[02:58] <Cloudchaser> no i didn't specify, when i specified testparm failed
[02:58] <nicedreams> cloudchaser: what's the ip of the windows box
[02:58] <Cloudchaser> it wants specification if wins server doesn't equal samba server i think
[02:58] <Cloudchaser> i don't now
[02:58] <Cloudchaser> know
[02:58] <nicedreams> do this in windows
[02:58] <funky> hi
[02:58] <nicedreams> goto run
[02:58] <nicedreams> start/run
[02:58] <Cloudchaser> thats why i want to ping by name ;)
[02:58] <nicedreams> type cmd or command
[02:59] <nicedreams> and type 'ipconfig'
[02:59] <nuOpus> he is trying to get his machine to see a share without using the IP address
[02:59] <Cloudchaser> i know how to get it
[02:59] <nicedreams> still don't need wins to do that
[02:59] <nuOpus> is that what you want to do cloudchaser?
[02:59] <nicedreams> i do it without wins
[02:59] <punkrockguy318> in hoary, my window list is all pushed to the side, it doesn't use the entire toolbar... what's up with that?
[02:59] <Cloudchaser> i'm a she ;)
[02:59] <nuOpus> sorry
[02:59] <ogra> speel: md5sum <file>
[02:59] <Cloudchaser> and samba works and i can mount it by name
[02:59] <nuOpus> SHE is trying to be able to see a share without using IP
[02:59] <nicedreams> cloudchaser: type ipconfig in the command line
[02:59] <Cloudchaser> i just can't ping by name
[02:59] <nuOpus> oh
[02:59] <nicedreams> then get the pc name
[02:59] <Cloudchaser> i can see my shares :)
[02:59] <nuOpus> cloudchaser: then you need to set up DNS
[03:00] <nicedreams> goto properties from mycomputer
[03:00] <nuOpus> or edit your hosts file
[03:00] <Cloudchaser> i have dhcp and the adresses change
[03:00] <method55-laptop> i have a list of the option values i need to set
[03:00] <method55-laptop> how do i set them
[03:00] <jaye> At least you can see other computers
[03:00] <nicedreams> cloudchaser: what OS is your windows
[03:00] <Cloudchaser> so if i set a host file and the address changes, its useless
[03:00] <nuOpus> if the addresses change all the type you have to set up a DNS server
[03:00] <Cloudchaser> windows 2000
[03:00] <nuOpus> and have it update the zones dynamically
[03:00] <method55-laptop> ogra: i have a list of the option values i need to set , how do i set them
[03:00] <nicedreams> cloudchaser: give yourself static ips
[03:00] <Cloudchaser> nuOpus, thats not necessary
[03:00] <Cloudchaser> i know that it isn't..i've never had dns servers
[03:00] <speel> how do you check a md5sum on the ubuntu cd .. i know its the md5sum command but what do i type
[03:01] <nuOpus> oh ... then go static!
[03:01] <nuOpus> lol
[03:01] <nicedreams> lol
[03:01] <Cloudchaser> and been able to do it on rh9 with samba doing wins
[03:01] <nuOpus> to ping?
[03:01] <ogra> method55-laptop: after the modulename in the modprobe command option=value
[03:01] <Cloudchaser> things are different in ubuntu
[03:01] <nicedreams> just do ip numbers instead of names
[03:01] <nicedreams> addresses
[03:01] <nuOpus> ping uses icmp ... has nothing to do with samba in ANY distribution
[03:01] <method55-laptop> oka
[03:01] <method55-laptop> thanks
[03:02] <nuOpus> so ... setting up wins wont help you ping unless there is a dynamic dns going on
[03:02] <nicedreams> cloud: do you have a router?
[03:02] <Cloudchaser> yes
[03:02] <nuOpus> so has any of you used smartpm yet in ubuntu?
[03:02] <ogra> speel: md5sum <file>
[03:02] <nicedreams> what's your router ipaddress?
[03:03] <Cloudchaser> 192.168.0.1
[03:03] <punkrockguy318> i'm having problems with nvidia on hoary.... the new nvidia driver (6629) doesn't work with my card, only the 6111 driver.  How can I use the 6111?  When I try to install it using the nvidia installer, the installation fails....
[03:03] <crimsun> what card?
[03:03] <crimsun> tnt*?
[03:03] <punkrockguy318> geforce 4 mx
[03:03] <Cloudchaser> i have 4 pc's and a replay tv on my network
[03:03] <punkrockguy318> i've had problems with the 6629 with other distros, it just wont work
[03:03] <Cloudchaser> all in different rooms ;)
[03:03] <nicedreams> cloud: set this <ipaddress: 192.168.0.10, 11> on one and other pc, then <subnetmask 255.255.255.0>, <gateway 192.168.0.1>, dns <192.168.0.1>
[03:04] <crimsun> it works fine with gf4 mxes, though.
[03:04] <punkrockguy318> crimsun, other people have been having problems too
[03:04] <punkrockguy318> crimsun, there's a thread on the nvidia forums about it, they say just go back to 6111
[03:04] <crimsun> punkrockguy318: then you'll have to apply a patch to compile against the hoary kernel
[03:05] <crimsun> punkrockguy318: perhaps you should have stuck w/ warty? :)
[03:05] <punkrockguy318> crimsun, eh, maybe.. but that's okay
[03:05] <punkrockguy318> crimsun, is there a 6111 src-deb that I can compile?
[03:06] <crimsun> punkrockguy318: no.
[03:06] <punkrockguy318> crimsun, do you know what the patch is for the nvidia drivers?  and will this patch work with the 6111?
[03:06] <crimsun> punkrockguy318: there is 'nvidia-kernel-source', but you will have to patch it to compile it against linux-kernel-headers-2.6.9foo
[03:06] <crimsun> err
[03:06] <nuOpus> smartpm can intelligently handle multiple repositories so you can add warty distro as the main and ALSO add hoary. It lets you assign top priority to warty so you can install some packages from hoary without messing things up
[03:06] <nicedreams> i got the newest nvidia drivers working on my nvidia
[03:06] <crimsun> linux-headers-2.6.9foo
[03:07] <nicedreams> nu0pus: forgot about that, gonna hit it up
[03:07] <crimsun> punkrockguy318: use the nvidia diff from -ck
[03:07] <punkrockguy318> crimsun, do I have to recompile my kernel?
[03:07] <crimsun> no, why?
[03:07] <ogra> jaye: i'll post my config in flood again
[03:08] <punkrockguy318> h/o brb
[03:09] <ogra> jaye: ?
[03:09] <jaye> oh sorry was messing around with console.
[03:10] <jaye> Can you repost?
[03:10] <ogra> jaye: i waited ;)
[03:10] <method55> how can i test to see if my sounds working
[03:10] <jaye> Do I need to mount their systems or anything like that?
[03:10] <method55> is there a beep command or something
[03:10] <jaye> ty ogra
[03:11] <da_name_is_taken> does real player or helix player support playing a play list without opening each file each time like an idiot? :/
[03:11] <ogra> jaye: change guest account, workgroup and path to your needs
[03:11] <ogra> jaye: make a backup before
[03:11] <ogra> jaye: of the original file
[03:12] <ACIDnet_> when i do a ls -l what does it mean when a * is at the end of the filename???
[03:13] <jaye> Wht is server string again?
[03:13] <jaye> computer name?
[03:13] <jaye> or description?
[03:13] <ogra> jaye: server string is what your win boxes see as computer name
[03:13] <jaye> ok
[03:16] <jaye> damn
[03:16] <jaye> can't do smbclient -L
[03:16] <ogra> jaye: restarted samba ?
[03:16] <jaye> yes
[03:17] <jaye> and testparm passed
[03:17] <ogra> jaye: sure :)
[03:17] <ogra> jaye: look from a win box
[03:17] <jaye> ok
[03:18] <nicedreams> i don't even know why i have my windows machine on next to me anymore
[03:18] <jaye> no dice
[03:18] <jaye> I have people that live with me that need access :(
[03:18] <nicedreams> oh yea....ntfs and too many drives
[03:18] <jaye> they keep asking if I'm still messing with that linux shit.
[03:18] <ogra> jaye: did you search ?
[03:18] <jaye> I tell them it's not linux shit.
[03:18] <jaye> one sec
[03:19] <jaye> nothin
[03:19] <ogra> jaye: probably the space in your server string.....
[03:20] <Cloudchaser> thats in his username i thought
[03:20] <ogra> jaye: try without it
[03:20] <jaye> I changed the server string to the same as the host name
[03:21] <method55_> grrr
[03:21] <method55_> cant get it to work right
[03:22] <mab> hi, just installed ubuntu, X was a bit grumpy but its all working now :)
[03:22] <jaye> mab, yay!
[03:22] <ogra> jaye: try if smbclient -L  with your ip works.... (localhost shouldnt with my file)
[03:23] <ogra> mab: what was grumpy in the X setup ?
[03:24] <mab> some extra characters in the xconfig, but i worked em out from the error messages
[03:24] <ogra> mab: from the autoconfigurator ?
[03:25] <mab> yep
[03:25] <mab> there was: AD" extra on 2 lines
[03:25] <mab> monitor and something else
[03:25] <ogra> mab: could you file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com about that ?
[03:26] <Cloudchaser> jaye any luck?
[03:26] <mab> gimme a min, im still working out what im doing ;)
[03:26] <ogra> mab: the devs are really intereasted in that: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingXAutoconfiguration
[03:26] <jaye> ogra, cloudchaser, with the conf from flood and using my ip in the smbclient -L I get this error after entering my password.
[03:26] <jaye> session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
[03:27] <mthoro> same here
[03:27] <ogra> jaye: post the modified file .... to flood
[03:28] <jaye> posted
[03:28] <ogra> jaye: you login name is guest ?
[03:28] <ogra> weird
[03:28] <jaye> that's MY login name?
[03:28] <ogra> yep
[03:28] <ogra> ;)
[03:29] <ogra> the user that is allowed to access the disk
[03:29] <jaye> ok
[03:29] <ogra>     security = SHARE rewuires that
[03:29] <ogra> requires
[03:29] <Cloudchaser> hmm did we ever edit the smbusers file jaye?
[03:29] <ogra> jaye: and the foler must exist
[03:29] <Cloudchaser> where you put yourlinuxusername=yourwindowsloginuser?
[03:30] <ogra> folder
[03:30] <jaye> Cloudchaser, I don't think so.
[03:30] <Cloudchaser> what do you think ogra
[03:30] <jaye> I can see this box and a few of this box's shares on the smbclient -L
[03:30] <ogra> no need for that with that file...but with the other
[03:30] <jaye> but no windows shares
[03:31] <Cloudchaser> don't need to do that ogra? i have it on mine
[03:31] <Cloudchaser> but i did so many things trying to get it all to work
[03:31] <ogra> Cloudchaser: security = SHARE  with a fixed guest account.....
[03:32] <Cloudchaser> so he has a guess account that has permissions to access it on the windows pc?
[03:32] <ogra> Cloudchaser: as i said, open share to the world, but less hassle (normally)
[03:32] <Cloudchaser> or is he trying to access linux from windows/
[03:32] <jaye> the export folder is open to the world?
[03:33] <ogra> jaye: thats what i said when we begun with that file....yep
[03:33] <jaye> k
[03:33] <jaye> I remember
[03:33] <Cloudchaser> but remember if you're behind firewall or router they can't access it from internet
[03:33] <jaye> was just making sure it was only that folder
[03:33] <ogra> jaye: yep, it is
[03:33] <jaye> k
[03:34] <kebac> Cloudchaser: what
[03:34] <ogra> jaye: just keep in mind what you copy there ;)
[03:34] <jaye> I'll just keep it empty
[03:34] <kebac> Cloudchaser: just the fact that one is behind a firewall or router doesnt prevent anyone from accessing anyone from internet
[03:34] <jaye> Is there a way to at least require a password?
[03:35] <ogra> jaye: Cloudchasers way
[03:35] <Cloudchaser> if the firewall doesn't allow connections from outside local network
[03:35] <jaye> actually since no other box can see me it's not a problem yet.
[03:35] <jaye> lol
[03:35] <ogra> heh
[03:36] <Cloudchaser> connecting to local pc's doesn't go through router, and a firewall at the edge would keep out any connections if its set up properly
[03:36] <jaye> ok well I can see myself in smbclient -L
[03:36] <jaye> nobody can see me and I can see nobody.
[03:36] <kebac> Cloudchaser: a "router" doesnt prevent any connections from anywhere
[03:36] <jaye> where do I go from here?
[03:36] <ogra> jaye: what kind of win is there around you ?
[03:36] <jaye> win 98 SE
[03:36] <Cloudchaser> a firewall does
[03:37] <ogra> jaye: hmm, should work then....weird
[03:37] <kebac> Cloudchaser: nor does a firewall
[03:37] <Cloudchaser> ok
[03:37] <ogra> jaye: i never had probs with this file, i copy it around since years form pc to pc.....
[03:37] <kebac> Cloudchaser: firewall prevents connections if it's configured to do so
[03:37] <Cloudchaser> thats what i said kebec
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> "if its configured properly"
[03:38] <kebac> Cloudchaser: "configured properly" does not mean that it prevents connections
[03:38] <ogra> jaye: did you look in the network browser if there is probably another workgroup visible ?
[03:38] <ogra> jaye: on win that is
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> ok kebec
[03:38] <mab> bug submitted :)
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> however you say
[03:38] <kebac> Cloudchaser: right
[03:38] <jaye> OMG
[03:38] <jaye> OMG
[03:39] <ogra> mab: great, thanks :)
[03:39] <jaye> The windows box sees me by IP
[03:39] <jaye> not by hostname
[03:39] <jaye> but IP
[03:39] <ogra> jaye: yay
[03:39] <ogra> jaye: can you access the share ?
[03:39] <jaye> now how do I access the box?
[03:39] <kebac> sure thing... windows uses netbios to see boxes through hostnames
[03:39] <jaye> It sees a folder called export!
[03:39] <jaye> woot
[03:39] <ogra> jaye: try to access it
[03:40] <funky> is there multiverse hoary repository ?
[03:40] <jaye> It wants a password
[03:40] <ogra> funky: sure
[03:40] <jaye> and unfortunately I don't know what it is.
[03:40] <jaye> because it's not the root pass
[03:40] <ogra> jaye: it shouldnt
[03:40] <jaye> It does
[03:40] <funky> ogra: ok
[03:41] <edomat> funky: yes, add multiverse after universe on your repositories list
[03:41] <ogra> jaye: on linux, show us the permissions of the shared folder
[03:41] <funky> edomat: yep, i did it
[03:41] <ogra> jaye (ls -l)
[03:41] <jaye> it's...
[03:42] <jaye> owner check check check
[03:42] <jaye> grou check blank check
[03:42] <jaye> others check blank check
[03:42] <ogra> jaye: check all
[03:42] <ogra> jaye: make it world writable
[03:42] <jaye> k
[03:42] <ogra> jaye: then restart samba and try again from win
[03:44] <Crane|laptop> howdy all
[03:44] <Crane|laptop> :)
[03:44] <mab> hi
[03:44] <jaye> howdy
[03:44] <jaye> still wants a password
[03:45] <edomat> jaye: when you try to connect to the share?
[03:46] <ogra> jaye: show the output of: ls -l /home/$USER/Export
[03:46] <jaye> total 0
[03:47] <ogra> jaye: does the folder you share actually exist ?
[03:47] <jaye> yes
[03:47] <ogra> jaye: so show the output of the ls -l command
[03:48] <jaye> jaye@C1752040-c:~ $ /home/jaye/export
[03:48] <jaye> bash: /home/jaye/export: is a directory
[03:48] <jaye> jaye@C1752040-c:~ $ ls -l /home/jaye/export
[03:48] <jaye> total 0
[03:48] <jaye> jaye@C1752040-c:~ $
[03:48] <jaye> see, it is a directory.
[03:48] <ogra> jaye: ls -l /home/jaye |grep export
[03:49] <jaye> drwxrwxrwx    2 jaye     jaye         4096 2004-12-27 20:33 export
[03:49] <ogra> jaye: ahh, thanks
[03:49] <ogra> jaye: looks good....
[03:49] <ogra> jaye: and the guest user is called jaye ?
[03:50] <jaye> that person on the winbox?
[03:50] <jaye> or me?
[03:50] <Seq> is this a smb share?
[03:50] <jaye> in conf gues user is called jaye
[03:50] <ogra> jaye: in the smb.conf
[03:50] <jaye> yes it's jaye
[03:51] <ogra> jaye: you didnt create any smbpasswd file ?
[03:51] <jaye> ... cloud had me make one... but I didn't put anything in it.
[03:51] <hazza96> how do I get hold of Firefox 1.0 for Ubuntu?
[03:51] <ogra> jaye: thats the prob i guess....
[03:52] <pseudo> Quick question: None of the wiki suggested marillat repositories work .... any suggestions on picking up a working copy of win32codecs?
[03:52] <ogra> pseudo: pull it manually from the marillat arch
[03:52] <jaye> Cloud!  What file did oyu have me make?
[03:52] <ogra> pseudo: its in stable
[03:53] <macewan> hazza96: read the break my ubuntu
[03:53] <Cloudchaser> he did do the smbpasswd i thoght
[03:53] <jaye> ogra, ther's a smbpasswd file.
[03:53] <jaye> yep
[03:53] <jaye> I found it
[03:53] <pseudo> ogra, Seems to be offline?
[03:53] <Cloudchaser> the one we didn't do was smbusers
[03:53] <jaye> Ok cloudchaser, what do I do to this file?
[03:53] <ogra> jaye: move it away, restart samba and try
[03:53] <jaye> move it away?
[03:53] <jaye> to another folder?
[03:54] <ogra> jaye: for example to your home
[03:54] <hazza96> macewan: where is that?
[03:54] <jaye> I can't move it... don't have permission.
[03:54] <jaye> I don't know the command in terminal
[03:54] <ogra> jaye: sudo mv <sourcefile> <targetdir>
[03:54] <macewan> hazza96: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu/view?searchterm=backports
[03:54] <hazza96> thanks
[03:55] <macewan> :) fi* 1.0 is nice
[03:55] <jaye> ok it's moved
[03:55] <ksatcu> Hi guys, I'm new to ubuntu....am trying to get openssh working and its driving me nuts
[03:55] <pseudo> Anyone know what this means? : W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[03:56] <ogra> jaye: restart samba and try from win.....i'm nearly out of ideas
[03:56] <pseudo> Getting that ^^^ during an apt-get update.
[03:56] <ogra> pseudo: seems you use hoary
[03:56] <jaye> ok
[03:56] <pseudo> yes
[03:56] <ogra> pseudo: it signs packages nowadays
[03:56] <pseudo> ogra: yes, just updated for the patch kernel for begle
[03:56] <ksatcu> I'm trying to start sshd with both protocol 1 and 2, but /etc/init.d/ssh start complains with
[03:56] <ksatcu> Disabling protocol version 1. Could not load host key
[03:57] <pseudo> ogra: Hmmm. Is there a way to get it ot ignore?
[03:57] <jaye> stil password
[03:57] <ogra> pseudo: marillat doesnt sign his pkgs
[03:57] <jaye> still*
[03:57] <ksatcu> any ideas?
[03:57] <ogra> jaye: sorry, no idea anymore... it works on all my boxes with this setup with any win version :/
[03:57] <speel> hey did gimp 2.2 release for ubuntu yet?
[03:58] <ogra> speel: its in hoary
[03:58] <jaye> well, cloudchaser.. what do you think I ought to do to this pswd file?
[03:58] <Cloudchaser> i have mine set up differently from ogra
[03:58] <jaye> ok
[03:58] <Roman|Home> Hello...
[03:58] <jaye> well I'm open to anythin
[03:58] <jaye> been at it since noon
[03:58] <jaye> 8 hours
[03:58] <ogra> jaye: just copy both files back
[03:58] <speel> bahhh! not hoary
[03:59] <jaye> ogra, your conf file works better than the other did.
[03:59] <ogra> jaye: then you got Cloudchasers setup again
[03:59] <jaye> I just need to fix this password thing and I should be set.
[03:59] <jaye> right?
[03:59] <ogra> yep
[03:59] <Roman|Home> I have a stupid user question.  How do you change default file icons (like for .mp3 files, for example)?
[03:59] <ksatcu> sorry folks....anyone have clues on the sshd question?
[04:00] <jaye> that samba file got put back into that foler
[04:00] <jaye> lol
[04:00] <ogra> feels
[04:01] <jaye> ouch
[04:03] <ksatcu> cant seem to get sshd to run with both protocol 1 and 2
[04:04] <supertux_> hi i have a usb storage device connected
[04:04] <ogra> ksatcu: why do you want to run the unsafe 1 ?
[04:04] <supertux_> but it doesnt get mounted and i need to get files off of it
[04:04] <ksatcu> agreed, but a host that I need to ssh from doesnt have a client that supports version 2
[04:05] <ksatcu> and I dont have access to upgrade the client
[04:05] <ogra> argh...bad
[04:05] <ksatcu> I've tried the standard, made use that the host file is 600, pub file is 644 etc
[04:05] <ksatcu> I have both the version 2 and version 1 files
[04:06] <ksatcu> but if I start sshd, it complains that it couldnt load the host key for version 1
[04:06] <supertux_> anyone know how to do this?
[04:06] <ogra> ksatcu: in never actually trued to mix the two
[04:06] <ogra> supertux_: do you see it in device manager ?
[04:07] <supertux_> yeah its there
[04:07] <supertux_> USB PTP interface
[04:07] <ogra> supertux_: do you see the disk below ?
[04:08] <supertux_> yeah
[04:08] <pseudo> ogra: is there a way to get apt to ignore package signing?
[04:08] <ogra> supertux_: try plugging out and in again
[04:08] <mesiterclock> anyone had problems with glx not being found with the new nvidia drivers?
[04:08] <supertux_> ogra, i tried that
[04:08] <ogra> pseudo: donno, havent played with it yet
[04:09] <supertux_> its very consistent in doing the exact same thing
[04:09] <supertux_> it does not get mounted
[04:09] <ogra> supertux_: hmm, it should....
[04:10] <ogra> supertux_: if you see the disk, can you look at the advanced tab ? the first entry should be the device
[04:10] <supertux_> ogra, i think the problem is that it doesnt know its capabilities
[04:10] <ogra> supertux_: you are on warty ?
[04:11] <supertux_> yeah
[04:11] <ogra> supertux_: then it should simply work... look for the device entry in the advanced tab
[04:11] <supertux_> yeah
[04:12] <pseudo> also, I'm getting some weird behavior with xorg, I removed all resolutions from the config except 1280x1024, but the only option it gives is 1440x900? and that's not even in ANY of the configs.
[04:12] <pseudo> is there a setup program for X.org?
[04:12] <supertux_> ogra, there is no usb.device
[04:12] <supertux_> there is usb.device_otherstuff
[04:13] <ogra> supertux_: we are looking for an /dev/something
[04:13] <ogra> supertux_: its always the first entry
[04:13] <supertux_> nope
[04:13] <supertux_> there is /sys/devices/stuff
[04:13] <ogra> supertux_: if you see the disk and its partitions its on the disk branch
[04:14] <trans_err> pseudo, are you editing the right conf?
[04:14] <ogra> supertux_: the entry is called block.device
[04:15] <supertux_> ogra, nothing with block on it
[04:15] <ogra> pseudo: only if you never touched the config file manually, else the tools will fail
[04:15] <ogra> supertux_: very bad
[04:16] <ogra> pseudo: if you never did, you can do: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:16] <supertux_> ogra, yeah tell me about it
[04:16] <mesiterclock> 6629 drivers are broken altogether?
[04:17] <pseudo> ogra, Yeah, I edited xorg.conf, but I can restore it to the original settings.
[04:17] <pseudo> ogra, The only thing I changed was the resolutions
[04:17] <ogra> supertux_: i cant....no idea, and its 04:17am here, i think i need to sleep.....
[04:18] <pseudo> ogra, do I need to delete xfree86-common from /etc/init.d?
[04:18] <ogra> pseudo: did you make a backup of the original file ? then copy it back...the mechanism uses md5 so editing it back wont help
[04:18] <pseudo> doh
[04:18] <pseudo> no
[04:19] <pseudo> I did not
[04:19] <ogra> pseudo: :(
[04:19] <codemarauder> hi all
[04:19] <pseudo> got a copy? ;)
[04:19] <pseudo> or will that not work either?
[04:19] <ogra> pseudo: try xf86cfg then and save the file on exit to your home...then copy them over
[04:20] <ogra> night all
[04:20] <codemarauder> good night ogra
[04:20] <scoon> yo, yo, yo.  what's up party people
[04:21] <codemarauder> just joined the channel...
[04:21] <codemarauder> new to ubuntu
[04:21] <ron0909> me too :) Hi everyone
[04:21] <codemarauder> but I don't have ubuntu installed at my machine
[04:21] <codemarauder> requested for the cd and expecting the same in a month or so
[04:22] <scoon> codemarauder, why not just dl it.  it is pretty small.
[04:22] <ron0909> I love it..just got my cd's before xmas
[04:22] <mthoro> >500 Mb is a lot to download
[04:22] <scoon> mthoro, it is ?
[04:22] <scoon> i take it not many here have broad band, then.
[04:23] <codemarauder> I don't have a CD writer here
[04:23] <mthoro> I guess if you use bit torrent that will conserve bandwidth
[04:23] <ron0909> I downloaded it but got cd's to hand out to folks
[04:23] <codemarauder> also internet link is unstable
[04:24] <scoon> as usualk, the internet is crap again.
[04:24] <scoon> that is why porn works so well.  those god damn thumbnails don't take much effort to see
[04:24] <scoon> :)] 
[04:24] <codemarauder> does it offer same ease as debian?
[04:25] <ron0909> has anyone tried to get the latest ati drivers to work?
[04:25] <mthoro> maybe ubuntu needs to have a net install image which is 50 Mb
[04:25] <scoon> eh
[04:25] <scoon> maybe instead of keychain drives, broad band should be purchased.
[04:25] <zenrox> mthoro,  that be hard on the d/l servers
[04:26] <Cloudchaser> ogra are you still here????
[04:26] <mthoro> ogra went to bed
[04:26] <Cloudchaser> oh darn
[04:26] <Nivlem> Can't get the printer to print...selected new epson stylus photo...all it does is eject paper..never prints anything?
[04:26] <Nivlem> Stylus Photo R200 specifically
[04:27] <Nivlem> Autodetected the exact name and model when setting up printer
[04:30] <codemarauder> Nivlem r u using CUPS to print?
[04:39] <qwerty> Is there a channel op here? I am banned from this channel with my normal nick, and I dont have a clue why... I only ever talk about compiling stuff and things directly related to Ubuntu, so I am a bit surprised to suddenly find myself banned
[04:40] <s0cks> qwerty : I frequent that channel, and you get pretty annoying sometimes
[04:40] <s0cks> And that is ban evading.
[04:40] <qwerty> s0cks, this is not my normal nick
[04:41] <qwerty> I cannot log on with my normal nick
[04:41] <s0cks> And someone banned you from here?
[04:41] <qwerty> s0cks, my normal nick is JDahl... I am pretty sure you havent even noticed me here
[04:41] <s0cks> I have.
[04:42] <s0cks> You are ban evading, a glinable offense.
[04:42] <qwerty> are you an op? I am not sure I know what you mean by evading... noone told me I was banned, and I havent talked to anyone here...
[04:43] <punkrockguy318> is there any way that I can use the nvidia 6111 driver in hoary?
[04:46] <steven_noob> Hello World!
[04:46] <JDahl> hmm... no ban after all... I forgot I had been experimenting with Tor - guess I got an unlucky IP number. You're nick seems strangely suitable, s0cks
[04:47] <punkrockguy318> is there any way that I can use the nvidia 6111 driver in hoary?
[04:47] <steven_noob> Looks like ubuntu installed cleanly on my laptop :)  Only one thing though...
[04:47] <s0cks> lol. I was jus screwin with you. I looked at the ban list.
[04:47] <steven_noob> It never asked me for a root password during setup, any idea how I can set one up?
[04:48] <mthoro> get used to it there is none
[04:48] <mthoro> you need to use the sudo command
[04:48] <steven_noob> Oh ok
[04:48] <ron0909> http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t257008.html
[04:48] <ron0909> part of that says how to allow root in ubuntu
[04:48] <steven_noob> Still I don't have a root password so isn't that a real security risk?
[04:49] <mthoro> try sudo -s for a root shell
[04:49] <ron0909> just checking for it myself
[04:49] <supertux_> why doesnt the ubuntu kernel support file systems like fat16?
[04:50] <steven_noob> Hmm ok maybe I'm just paranoid but seems like just issuing sudo could be pretty dangerous
[04:50] <scoon> ls
[04:51] <steven_noob> On the whole though this is the very best non-commercial linux 've seen so far, and deffinetely gives even SuSE 9.2 a run for it's money.
[04:51] <Crane|laptop> root acces is disabled completely right
[04:51] <steven_noob> I can't spell tonight
[04:52] <Crane|laptop> It's kind of a learning curve for me
[04:52] <Crane|laptop> I'm used to rpm based distros
[04:52] <Crane|laptop> and never had good luck with debian
[04:52] <steven_noob> Same here but I used FreeBSD before so the apt system seems pretty comfortable too
[04:53] <punkrockguy318> is there any way that i can install the nvidia 6111 driver on hoary?
[04:54] <steven_noob> Was ndiswrapper installed by default with Warty?
[04:54] <nevyn> I think so.
[04:55] <Crane|laptop> punkrock: I wouldn't see why not as long as you install the kernel source
[04:56] <punkrockguy318> Crane|laptop, how?
[04:56] <alka_trash> hey ubunters
[04:56] <Crane|laptop> That Im not sure of
[04:56] <punkrockguy318> Crane|laptop, :-\
[04:56] <Crane|laptop> You may be able to apt-get kernel-source
[04:57] <alka_trash> just a silly question, the k7 is for athlon xp cpus right?
[04:57] <Crane|laptop> Do you not like the current driver
[04:57] <punkrockguy318> Crane|laptop, it doesn't work w/ my card
[04:58] <Crane|laptop> Oh newer card?
[04:58] <punkrockguy318> older card
[04:58] <Crane|laptop> I'm running a fx 5200
[04:58] <Crane|laptop> was running ti 4400
[04:58] <punkrockguy318> the nvida forum said that it will be fixed in the next driver release but use 6111 til then
[04:59] <Crane|laptop> hmmmm use synaptic and search for kernel source
[04:59] <Crane|laptop> or  kernel-source
[04:59] <punkrockguy318> i have kernel-source
[05:00] <Crane|laptop> I'm not on my ubuntu system right now so I can't check
[05:00] <Crane|laptop> oh
[05:00] <Crane|laptop> Have you tried installing?
[05:00] <punkrockguy318> yup
[05:01] <alka_trash> does any know what's better for Athlon xp processors? 686 kernel or k7
[05:01] <Crane|laptop> so did you get errors?
[05:01] <Crane|laptop> alka: I have always used 686
[05:02] <punkrockguy318> Crane|laptop, yeah
[05:02] <punkrockguy318> Crane|laptop, invalid module formar
[05:02] <punkrockguy318> format*
[05:02] <Crane|laptop> hmmmm
[05:04] <punkrockguy318> ugh i should have stayed with wart
[05:04] <punkrockguy318> warty&
[05:06] <punkrockguy318> it was dumb of me to upgrade
[05:06] <Crane|laptop> so you were able to install drivers on warty
[05:06] <punkrockguy318> yup, because they had binary 6111
[05:07] <Crane|laptop> cool
[05:07] <punkrockguy318> i dont really want to reinstall though
[05:09] <Crane|laptop> Yea reinstalling can be a pain
[05:09] <Crane|laptop> is debian a good distro for servers?
[05:10] <punkrockguy318> yes
[05:15] <jaye> how do you shutdown samba daemons so they don't keep running?
[05:18] <JDahl> jaye, sudo /etc/init.d/<service> (stop|start|restart)... In this case use "stop"
[05:18] <Cloudchaser> but it starts auto when you boot ubuntu
[05:19] <Cloudchaser> he doesn't want to to restart automatically for now
[05:19] <jaye> right
[05:19] <s1amson> does anyone know if this *nix is supoortaive of the linksys wmp11 wireless card?
[05:20] <zenrox> lol
[05:20] <s1amson> lol yourself :P
[05:20] <zenrox> hehehe
[05:20] <s1amson> cuz, if so, imma d/l :D
[05:21] <JDahl> Cloudchaser, then I guess you would have to manually edit the /etc/init.d/<service> script... I dont think you can do it another way. For inspiration the init script that comes with openafs-client does exactly that: "start" does nothing, you have to manually start it with "force-start"
[05:21] <zenrox> s1amson, hmm let me look for you ill spoon feed ya
[05:21] <s1amson> ^^ he sounds smart, maybe he knows
[05:21] <zenrox> s1amson,  thay are all smart
[05:21] <Cloudchaser> i think its a major oversight not to have the services gui in ubuntu
[05:21] <Cloudchaser> for this very reason
[05:22] <s1amson> spoon feed me zenny - imma go ahead and d/l and pray, that you can help
[05:23] <s1amson> all my other hw is supported
[05:23] <s1amson> snap
[05:23] <s1amson> yall have a live eval
[05:24] <zenrox> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7319&highlight=wmp11 <<-check that out
[05:24] <zenrox> s1amson,  yes
[05:24] <zenrox> we have a live cd
[05:25] <zenrox> tho its diferent then the ubuntu install
[05:25] <s1amson> honestly, i believe that my card has a nix driver - just not sure that this distro can make friends with it
[05:26] <s1amson> theres three diff releases of software for that card - theres been changes in the chipset
[05:26] <zenrox> s1amson, probly but i dont screw around with the kernel to often
[05:26] <zenrox> that one i posted here is for ver 4
[05:26] <s1amson> lemme find driver cdc
[05:26] <s1amson> had it a sec ago
[05:29] <jaye> What's a good firewall?
[05:29] <Greywolf73> Good day, can anyone tell if Ubuntu has support for USB keyboard during boot on install?
[05:30] <Cloudchaser> for linux firestarter is ok i think
[05:30] <Cloudchaser> easy enough
[05:30] <jaye> ok
[05:30] <s1amson> Greywolf73 im new to it, but - if it works in ther live eval - it'll work on install
[05:30] <jaye> what about gnome-lokkit?
[05:30] <Greywolf73> it did not work on the install
[05:31] <s1amson> kk
[05:31] <Greywolf73> I was unable to get pass the boot screen
[05:31] <s1amson> then im not sure :) sry
[05:31] <s1amson> my first time here, just wassnt sure if ya tried it r not
[05:32] <Greywolf73> thanks for the help
[05:32] <JDahl> Greywolf73, it works for me... out of curiosity - do you have a recent Dell machine?
[05:32] <Greywolf73> nope
[05:32] <Greywolf73> it is a custom pc
[05:33] <JDahl> Greywolf73, ok... I ask because I know that recent Dell machines have had troubles installing Debian
[05:34] <Greywolf73> I was guessing it had something to do with the motherboard
[05:34] <Cloudchaser> how do you find out where a package is installed to?
[05:35] <Greywolf73> JDahl, were you using a usb keyboard?
[05:35] <zenrox> Cloudchaser, easy seard for it in snyaptic
[05:35] <zenrox> or go look in /usr/lib /opt /usr/local
[05:35] <warty> er.... anyone got a sec for a silly question?
[05:36] <zenrox> shure
[05:36] <JDahl> Cloudchaser, dpkg -S <pkg> if the package is installed, or apt-cache search <pkg> to get info on packages that may not be installed
[05:36] <zenrox> ask away werty
[05:36] <Cloudchaser> thanks
[05:36] <mthoro> Cloudchaser: "sudo updatedb" and use the locate command
[05:36] <Cloudchaser> hehe i do that
[05:36] <warty> does Ubuntu allow dual monitors support or a resolution over 1024x768?
[05:37] <Cloudchaser> but i figured there was a dpkg command but i couldn't figure it out from man
[05:37] <spikeb> warty, yes to the second
[05:37] <zenrox> yes to bolth
[05:37] <spikeb> warty, the automatic config thign is just too stupid to config for above 1024x768
[05:37] <warty> no dual monitor though? ;_;
[05:37] <maximaus> Cloudchaser, "whereis" is also a handy command for finding stuff
[05:37] <spikeb> i would assume dual monitors work just fine
[05:37] <spikeb> but i cant tell you personally.
[05:38] <zenrox> werty but you gots to do lotes of werk to get the montor add to x confi file
[05:38] <zenrox> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.963 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 307/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.86G Free: 31.47G Procs: 89 Uptime: 48 mins 1 sec Load: 1.70 1.40 1.41  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 56.17M Out: 3.60M
[05:38] <zenrox> thats my res werty
[05:38] <JDahl> Greywolf73, yes... I was having troubles with the USB keyboard (didnt work with kernel 2.4), and ACPI crashed on kernel 2.6, but that can be turned off during boot
[05:38] <warty> cool
[05:38] <spikeb> im running at 1280x1024
[05:38] <spikeb> :)
[05:38] <spikeb> my monitor does that at 75hz. everything higher is too painful to look at
[05:38] <warty> hahah
[05:40] <spikeb> anyone know if beagle can search tag info from music files?
[05:45] <siulca> hi
[05:45] <codemarauder> hi
[05:46] <zenrox> hi
[05:46] <siulca> I'm about to install Ubuntu on my winXP machine. I got the linux partition ready formated as ext3. is there anything I should be aware before I go ahead with installation?
[05:47] <zenrox> siulca,  nope
[05:47] <siulca> I want to keep dual boot btw!
[05:47] <zenrox> dont worrie ubuntu will etect it and add winxp to your boot loader
[05:48] <siulca> excellent, what bootloader does Ubuntu install?
[05:48] <codemarauder> hi tpyo
[05:48] <codemarauder> I'm here again
[05:48] <zenrox> grub
[05:48] <siulca> alright... thanks.
[05:48] <zenrox> n/p
[05:49] <zenrox> siulca,  let us knjow how it goes
[05:49] <siulca> ok, will do but only tomorrow as it's 4:50am here and must sleep urgently :)
[05:49] <zenrox> ok night night then
[05:50] <siulca> night night everybody.
[05:50] <zenrox> ill be here all day tomaro
[05:50] <siulca> ok, bye for now.
[05:50] <Creap> it's 5:50 am here and i'm installing ubuntu too
[05:50] <Creap> :P
[05:50] <zenrox> lol
[05:50] <siulca> lol where r u Creap
[05:50] <Thanatermesis> yooooo
[05:50] <Thanatermesis> hello
[05:50] <Creap> sweden
[05:50] <siulca> hi
[05:50] <zenrox> only 9pm here
[05:50] <Thanatermesis> Ubuntu live cd runs in XORG ?
[05:50] <zenrox> Thanatermesis,  no
[05:50] <Thanatermesis> :'(
[05:51] <zenrox> xfree
[05:51] <siulca> ok, good luck Creap ;)
[05:51] <zenrox> its based on werty release of ubuntu
[05:51] <Thanatermesis> ok, thanks zenrox
[05:51] <crimsun> people seem to be a bit too enthralled by the X.Org name
[05:52] <crimsun> (not to be confused with the true differences)
[05:52] <zenrox> ya
[05:52] <zenrox> lol
[05:52] <zenrox> crimsun, how are you today
[05:54] <zenrox> much better i just moved my loung chait to my desk
[05:54] <zenrox> back was killing me
[05:55] <crimsun> zenrox: I'm doing well, thanks. Good to hear 'bout your back.
[05:55] <zenrox> i need to get a new computer chair my other one the back broke off
[05:56] <crimsun> that's not a good thing, heh
[05:56] <zenrox> no shit
[05:56] <zenrox> hehehe
[05:56] <zenrox> it was a wooden dinner table chair
[05:56] <zenrox> i leand back and i just kept going
[05:56] <zenrox> lol
[05:57] <crimsun> d'oh
[05:57] <zenrox> ya thats what i said when i was on the floor
[05:59] <zenrox> at lest it dint do any perminat damage
[06:02] <Creap> done
[06:02] <Creap> :P
[06:02] <zenrox> howed it go
[06:03] <Creap> ok but it seems it installed on my sata disk and partitioned it on its own with swap disks and stuff, though i had prepared another disk for it. but it doesn't really matter
[06:03] <Creap> i just selected the sata disk at the beginning since i wanted to format it to ext3 too :P
[06:03] <Creap> and i didn't want to format the whole other disk, just the linux partitons.. but everything is fine and it even handles my apple keyboard
[06:03] <Creap> :P
[06:04] <zenrox> sweet
[06:05] <zenrox> Creap, thats casue you told ubuntu to partion auto
[06:05] <zenrox> and it chose that drive
[06:05] <zenrox> but it dont matter as you said
[06:07] <jaye> hello
[06:08] <JayeAeotiv> again
[06:08] <JayeAeotiv> How do I access a different hard drive?
[06:08] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv,
[06:08] <zenrox> what drive
[06:08] <zenrox> and whares it at
[06:08] <zenrox> type of file systom
[06:09] <zenrox> generaly it helps to mount it
[06:09] <infie> I had a CD burner working fine in ubuntu as secondary controller, slave
[06:09] <infie> I moved it to primary slave
[06:09] <infie> And changed fstab
[06:09] <zenrox> like sudo mount -t fstype /dev/hdX(x=abcd) /mnt/foo
[06:10] <JayeAeotiv> It's probably Fat32
[06:10] <zenrox> infie,  ya
[06:10] <infie> however the burn dialog doesn't let me do anything but make an image now
[06:10] <JayeAeotiv> should be hdb
[06:10] <infie> yup.
[06:10] <infie> I changed fstab from hdd to hdb
[06:10] <JayeAeotiv> because it's not a partition
[06:10] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv, then you do sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hdb /mnt/thenameyouchosehere
[06:11] <JayeAeotiv> thanks
[06:11] <zenrox> infie,  do a sudo mount -a
[06:11] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv,  n/p
[06:11] <JayeAeotiv> zenrox, is there a way to see the partitions on hdb?
[06:11] <JayeAeotiv> there should be like 4 I think
[06:11] <zenrox> infie,  what burner app are you trying to use
[06:11] <infie> doesn't help
[06:11] <infie> neither does a reboot
[06:11] <steven_noob> Hey anyone here know where I an get setup information for ndiswrapper?
[06:11] <infie> the one built into nautilus
[06:12] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv, ya  but i dont know it
[06:12] <infie> the drive does work under its new settings
[06:12] <JayeAeotiv> thenameyouchosehere... it says it doesn't exist.
[06:12] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv, if thare are 4 and you know it the do /dev/hdv1 /dev/hdb2 ect
[06:12] <infie> But not as a burner
[06:12] <infie> What command line program is used to burn?
[06:12] <zenrox> make a new dir in your /mnt dir
[06:13] <WeedVender> guess whos back :)
[06:13] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv,  do mkdir /mnt/what you want to know it
[06:13] <zenrox> sudo mkdir /mnt/ what ever for each partion
[06:14] <zenrox> infie,  i dont use the command line for burning
[06:14] <infie> :(
[06:14] <zenrox> i use k3b
[06:14] <WeedVender> how in the world do you use command lines for burning?
[06:14] <zenrox> WeedVender,  very cearfuly
[06:14] <zenrox> lol
[06:14] <WeedVender> *although the thought of doing that would be cool...
[06:14] <codemarauder> cdrecord can be used for burning on the commandline
[06:15] <codemarauder> infact GUI applications in turn call cdrecord AFAIK
[06:15] <JayeAeotiv> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb2,
[06:15] <JayeAeotiv>        or too many mounted file systems
[06:15] <JayeAeotiv>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[06:15] <JayeAeotiv>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[06:15] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv,  are thay you win xp partions
[06:15] <JayeAeotiv> 98
[06:15] <JayeAeotiv> I don't have/use/want xp
[06:15] <infie> bleh
[06:15] <zenrox> then it might be fat16
[06:16] <infie> cdrecord is being unhelpful
[06:16] <zenrox> so just put fat16 insted of vfat
[06:16] <WeedVender> talking on the same subject
[06:16] <zenrox> WeedVender,  no
[06:16] <zenrox> i just got lazy
[06:16] <WeedVender> I formated a FAT 32 primary partition
[06:17] <WeedVender> I want to mount it, would it matter if it was logical or extended?
[06:17] <zenrox> WeedVender,  no
[06:17] <JayeAeotiv> Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is Fat32
[06:17] <WeedVender> ok
[06:17] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv, try putting auto insted of vfat
[06:18] <s1amson> since were on that topic
[06:18] <zenrox> brb need more pop
[06:18] <JayeAeotiv> all the files are unusable on this anyway
[06:19] <JayeAeotiv> I guess I'm forced to dual boot
[06:19] <s1amson> slax has issues with running (even if stored in RAM) with ntfs
[06:19] <s1amson> all my partitions are ntfs
[06:19] <s1amson> will i have issues running live eval?
[06:19] <zenrox> s1amson, you shouldent
[06:20] <s1amson> kk
[06:20] <zenrox> s1amson, slax and most any other distros can only read ntfs
[06:20] <s1amson> main reason for going live eval is due to netcaqrd
[06:20] <s1amson> slax cant
[06:20] <s1amson> not the live eval ( which is called slaz)
[06:20] <s1amson> well
[06:20] <s1amson> it can read it
[06:20] <s1amson> but it needs a place to store temp
[06:21] <s1amson> cant w on ntfs
[06:21] <s1amson> not live eval anyway
[06:21] <zenrox> but if you custom compile a kernel of your own for ubuntu using the kernel2.6.9 you can get it to write to ntfs
[06:21] <s1amson> hense why i'll be calling you
[06:21] <zenrox> lol
[06:21] <calc> write is somewhat generous for what it can do
[06:22] <s1amson> define?
[06:22] <s1amson> calc*
[06:22] <calc> last i checked it can only overwrite files the same size as they originally were
[06:22] <s1amson> directed at me?
[06:22] <s1amson> hmmmmmm
[06:22] <calc> yea wrt ntfs
[06:23] <s1amson> not good
[06:23] <zenrox> ya calc but thats an improvment
[06:23] <ryan_> hey, does anyone know of a good program for drawing geometric figures?
[06:23] <zenrox> vector
[06:23] <crimsun> inkscape? the gimp?
[06:23] <s1amson> geometric is a pretty broad topic :P
[06:23] <ryan_> well, specificially, circles :P
[06:24] <s1amson> if im understanding you, you wanna draw a circle?
[06:24] <ryan_> i need to have the same functionality as a compass/protractor
[06:24] <ryan_> *compass and protractor
[06:24] <s1amson> yea, all of the above can do it
[06:25] <zenrox> ryan_, try doing a search in snyaptic for vector
[06:25] <ryan_> oh, ok, thx
[06:25] <ryan_> alright, ill check for it
[06:25] <zenrox> vector ant the program name
[06:25] <s1amson> tell ya
[06:25] <zenrox> wit will just give a list that has vector in it
[06:25] <s1amson> thats one original question
[06:25] <JDahl> ryan_, "apt-cache search vector" might also be helpful
[06:25] <ryan_> nope...nothing with vector in it cept for some library, could it be in multiverse?
[06:26] <zenrox> me and JDahl  will cover comand line and gui
[06:26] <WeedVender> what does synaptic actually do?
[06:26] <zenrox> WeedVender,  installs packages
[06:26] <s1amson> oh, sorry, didnt know it was vector specific - didnt see that in the q
[06:26] <zenrox> just like apt-get
[06:27] <zenrox> s1amson,  its ok just settle down
[06:27] <ryan_> i just installed inkscape, im gonna quickly check it out
[06:27] <WeedVender> so the Java runtime, and the xmms player that I have, synaptic can install it?
[06:27] <sulkd> can nautilus not write cds or dvds "on the fly" like without copying all the data to a udf image first?
[06:27] <sulkd> or iso for that matter
[06:27] <JDahl> WeedVender, it's a curses based interface to apt-get, with more intelligence (marks "recommended" etc for installation, and lets you toggle through dependencies)
[06:27] <zenrox> WeedVender,  only if its on the respotories
[06:28] <zenrox> sulkd,  ya thats what it does writes on the fly
[06:28] <zenrox> sulkd,  not any thang else
[06:29] <ryan_> ok, thx everyone
[06:29] <ryan_> i think inkscape will do the job
[06:29] <sulkd> zenrox, no it creates an image first, then writes it
[06:29] <zenrox> sulkd, never does for me
[06:29] <zenrox> writes it on the fly
[06:29] <sulkd> zenrox, heh
[06:30] <zenrox> i put what i want in to it then burn it
[06:30] <sulkd> and you putting something into burn:/// and then burning it qualifies it as writing on the fly?
[06:30] <zenrox> yep
[06:30] <sulkd> regardless that it requires exactly the amount of free space as you are trying to burn, and then populates your /tmp with an iso or udf structure
[06:31] <zenrox> i guess i lernt something new
[06:31] <zenrox> lol
[06:31] <sulkd> zenrox, that isn't writing on the fly.. that would mean it would create the image in memory and then write the chunks in sequence without using the disk
[06:31] <sulkd> yeah.. "lol" indeed..
[06:32] <WeedVender> Im sorry for the inappropriateness of the question, but does anyone know where I can send email get well cards?
[06:32] <zenrox> WeedVender,  to who
[06:32] <zenrox> sulkd,  so thare for i dont thak you can truly burn on the fly
[06:32] <discord> how do i watch quicktime and wmv videos is there a package for the codecs?
[06:33] <WeedVender> A friend of mine who isnt feeling to good emotionally (girl)
[06:33] <zenrox> discord,  yes win32codecs
[06:33] <discord> is that the package i download
[06:33] <zenrox> yes
[06:33] <discord> do i need to add a non free repositoty because i do not see it in my package search
[06:33] <discord> ?
[06:34] <WeedVender> those Win32codecs, do they include lossless codecs?
[06:34] <zenrox> ya and its broke at the moment
[06:34] <zenrox> WeedVender,  like the ipod format
[06:35] <zenrox> or more like mp4's
[06:35] <WeedVender> no, not mp4
[06:35] <spikeb> you dont need the win32 codec for AAC
[06:36] <WeedVender> mathematically lossless codecs
[06:36] <zenrox> ya spikeb  is riht
[06:36] <spikeb> WeedVender, not in the essential win32 codec package
[06:36] <WeedVender> like the linux equivilant of huffyuv
[06:36] <spikeb> WeedVender, FLAC
[06:36] <WeedVender> ok.. thanks.
[06:36] <spikeb> (which is native)
[06:37] <spikeb> and free :)
[06:37] <zenrox> yep
[06:37] <steven_noob> Quick question... Anyone know what the application that tracks battery power for laptops in gnome is called? It keeps telling me I only have 1 minute of battery life left, but I'm currently hooked to the power outlet
[06:37] <Lathiat> hmm.. anyone used gnome-bluetooth-manager?
[06:38] <spikeb> battstat or something silly
[06:38] <zenrox> Lathiat,  nope
[06:38] <spikeb> not me Lathiat
[06:38] <steven_noob> Any idea where I can find more information on it?
[06:39] <zenrox> gnome.org
[06:39] <spikeb> i should go to bed - i'm being useless
[06:39] <WeedVender> wait spike
[06:39] <zenrox> spikeb,  no you arnt
[06:39] <WeedVender> or anyone who can answer..
[06:39] <steven_noob> Ok I actually was wondering if there were ubuntu specific docs for it
[06:39] <spikeb> WeedVender, yeah?
[06:39] <WeedVender> how can I install flash?
[06:39] <zenrox> steven_noob,  nope
[06:40] <WeedVender> i mean like i found a site for the ecard but i need flash to preview something
[06:40] <spikeb> WeedVender, enable the multiverse repository, then search for flash in synaptic
[06:40] <zenrox> WeedVender,  redad ubuntuguide.org
[06:40] <WeedVender> and it will work once i close synaptex
[06:40] <WeedVender> c*
[06:41] <spikeb> WeedVender, actually, i lied - enable multiverse, refresh, search for flash, install the right package, then it shoudl work
[06:41] <s1amson> wait
[06:41] <zenrox> i am here s1amson
[06:41] <s1amson> not support flash by default?
[06:41] <WeedVender> FLAC is audio!
[06:41] <zenrox> nope got to install it
[06:41] <spikeb> WeedVender, you wanted video?
[06:42] <s1amson> its an imperrative componet
[06:42] <WeedVender> i Need a Lossless codec for VIDEO
[06:42] <WeedVender> yes
[06:42] <spikeb> OH
[06:42] <spikeb> i missed that bit
[06:42] <spikeb> (sorry)
[06:42] <s1amson> no miond installoing it
[06:42] <WeedVender> no, sorry on my part
[06:42] <WeedVender> i didn't specify
[06:42] <s1amson> but - gotta ask for help to do it is another thing
[06:42] <zenrox> s1amson,  its easy to install
[06:42] <zenrox> s1amson,  you can allways just callme
[06:42] <spikeb> hmm
[06:42] <s1amson> so - hes a nix noob then
[06:42] <zenrox> its easyer that way
[06:42] <spikeb> WeedVender, i'm looking on google to see if i can find anything
[06:43] <s1amson> thought it was something to do with distro
[06:43] <zenrox> s1amson,  most disrots dont home it installed as defualt
[06:43] <zenrox> ok now i cant type
[06:43] <s1amson> im aware of that
[06:43] <zenrox> and i ant even drinking
[06:43] <zenrox> lol
[06:44] <s1amson> most distros you dont have to ask about it either
[06:44] <spikeb> WeedVender, i'm not finding anything
[06:44] <spikeb> WeedVender, what was the name of the one you mentioned earlier?
[06:44] <zenrox> s1amson,  check out http://ubuntuguide.org and all will come aprent
[06:45] <s1amson> Ubuntu 4.10 = current?
[06:45] <zenrox> no thats the ver of the guide
[06:45] <WeedVender> spike
[06:45] <s1amson> kk
[06:45] <WeedVender> its ok, i will find it
[06:45] <s1amson> will say "omg" when im done
[06:45] <zenrox> lol
[06:45] <spikeb> WeedVender, i found it - both xine and mplayer support Huffyuv (if thats what you wanted)
[06:46] <WeedVender> cool
[06:46] <spikeb> :)
[06:46] <WeedVender> thanks
[06:46] <spikeb> no problem
[06:46] <s1amson> wow @ "sudo"
[06:46] <zenrox> ant that kewl
[06:46] <zenrox> no root
[06:46] <s1amson> not really
[06:46] <s1amson> su is way easier
[06:46] <spikeb> i think its great
[06:46] <spikeb> heh
[06:46] <spikeb> bah
[06:46] <spikeb> sudo rocks su
[06:46] <zenrox> i agree
[06:46] <spikeb> need a shell? sudo -s (i believe)
[06:47] <zenrox> yep
[06:47] <zenrox> ok WeedVender
[06:47] <zenrox> lol
[06:47] <s1amson> whats diff tween "sudo" and su
[06:47] <WeedVender> the screen
[06:47] <WeedVender> repeat
[06:47] <zenrox> sudo is casue you dont have root
[06:47] <WeedVender> because gnome just crashed
[06:47] <spikeb> ew
[06:47] <zenrox> su to take you in to a root console
[06:47] <s1amson> so, its the same thing
[06:47] <WeedVender> the screen went crazy and then black, then back to loggin
[06:48] <s1amson> root ax
[06:48] <zenrox> s1amson,  basickly
[06:48] <s1amson> ?
[06:48] <s1amson> wtf
[06:48] <zenrox> but different
[06:48] <spikeb> s1amson, sudo lets your user execute things with root permission, su makes you root.
[06:48] <s1amson> seems kinda redundent
[06:48] <spikeb> WeedVender, that sucks
[06:48] <spikeb> s1amson, there is A LOT of redundancy in the open source world
[06:48] <zenrox> sudo alows you to do root sommand in your sued account wirh out having to switch to a root console
[06:48] <s1amson> well, its a good thing really, for people w/out root ax
[06:48] <spikeb> there are eight billion OSS apps, but they only do a couple million things ;)
[06:49] <s1amson> a perm thing
[06:49] <WeedVender> lol
[06:49] <zenrox> s1amson,  it cuts down on noobs doing dumb thangs in root
[06:49] <s1amson> its prolly good, im just trying to understand it
[06:49] <s1amson> ya
[06:49] <s1amson> lord knows i mad e many of those err0rs in suse before it was gay
[06:49] <spikeb> a sudo enabled account is, to me, a compromise between root and a normal user.
[06:50] <zenrox> o agree
[06:50] <zenrox> i
[06:50] <WeedVender> *warning: COuldn't start source package list http:archive.......Universe Packages, binary packages, no such file or directory
[06:50] <s1amson> so, "sudo" lets ya install - but not alter
[06:50] <WeedVender> thats what I get
[06:50] <spikeb> hmm
[06:50] <WeedVender> on Synaptic
[06:50] <zenrox> s1amson,  you can alter if you know how
[06:50] <s1amson> right
[06:50] <spikeb> heh
[06:50] <s1amson> but
[06:50] <spikeb> WeedVender, do you want to do this the easy way?
[06:51] <WeedVender>  prompts
[06:51] <WeedVender> sure
[06:51] <s1amson> it gives ya perm - just not access to what_is
[06:51] <zenrox> s1amson,  yep
[06:51] <spikeb> WeedVender, give me an email address and i will send you a nice sources list
[06:51] <WeedVender> 7 prompts
[06:51] <spikeb> heh
[06:51] <s1amson> ya, thats purdy kool
[06:51] <WeedVender> weedvender@hotmail.com
[06:51] <zenrox> spikeb,  tell hime to get the one off the guide
[06:51] <spikeb> ok give me a minute to write some comments
[06:51] <spikeb> zenrox, mine's better
[06:51] <zenrox> oh
[06:51] <zenrox> i want a copy then
[06:51] <zenrox> kergan@gamil.com
[06:51] <WeedVender> that guide doesn't have a few things like "what if"
[06:52] <spikeb> WeedVender, and zenrox i'll upload it to a place for you guys
[06:52] <spikeb> give me a couple minutes to write some comments
[06:52] <zenrox> ok
[06:52] <WeedVender> ok...
[06:52] <s1amson> zen - dcc it when done d/l
[06:52] <zenrox> s1amson,  you wont need it till you install werty
[06:52] <s1amson> its something to read while on the shitter
[06:53] <zenrox> lol
[06:53] <zenrox> it ant long enuff for that
[06:53] <zenrox> lol
[06:53] <s1amson> hehe
[06:53] <zenrox> 30 lines
[06:53] <zenrox> lol
[06:53] <zenrox> is all it is
[06:54] <s1amson> will i be able to play mah videos
[06:54] <s1amson> burn dvds
[06:54] <zenrox> yep
[06:54] <s1amson> rock
[06:54] <zenrox> i can play any formant that i have came across
[06:54] <zenrox> including mp4's
[06:54] <zenrox> that i riped my cd too
[06:54] <spikeb> WeedVender, zenrox : http://www.cuodan.net/~spike/sources.list
[06:54] <crimsun> I wish I could play m4ps
[06:54] <crimsun> then I'd be set ;)
[06:55] <spikeb> crimsun, mp4 you mean?
[06:55] <crimsun> spikeb: iTune's DRMed mp4s.
[06:55] <s1amson> without editing kernel?
[06:55] <zenrox> crimsun,  install the xmms plug in
[06:55] <spikeb> crimsun, you can
[06:55] <s1amson> zen*
[06:55] <crimsun> eh?
[06:56] <zenrox> yep s1amson
[06:56] <s1amson> rock
[06:56] <Nigelenki> ok
[06:56] <Nigelenki> I installed ubuntu on my uncle's machine
[06:56] <spikeb> you need faad
[06:56] <Nigelenki> and when i tried to pick an apt source it recommended debian sources :P
[06:56] <spikeb> and a plugin for whatever audio player
[06:56] <Nigelenki> (using dselect)
[06:56] <WeedVender> ok uh spike... I c code but what do I do?
[06:56] <zenrox> xmms has a plug in for mp4's
[06:57] <WeedVender> do i plug it in the sources list?
[06:57] <s1amson> wow
[06:57] <crimsun> I see http://www.algorithm.com.au/mt/archives/hacking/playing_ituness_m4a_files_in_xmms_on_debian_gnulinux.html. Neat. Thanks, zenrox & spikeb.
[06:57] <spikeb> WeedVender, er, go to http://www.cuodan.net/~spike/ and download the sources.list, and put it in /etc/apt/
[06:57] <spikeb> WeedVender, replacing the one you already have
[06:57] <s1amson> zenny i thought i was new - im apparently "weathered"
[06:57] <WeedVender> ok
[06:58] <TheGorf> Hi everyone, I have a question about installing packages.  I need to install GTK+ (and some applications that rely on it) and was hoping to do it through Synaptic.  Though synatpic seems to not have it listed.  Someone suggested "apt-get" but I am not really familiar with Debian yet, so my attempts at that have failed as well.  Anyone have any suggestions?
[06:58] <s1amson> btw
[06:58] <spikeb> i got some good repositories enabled in that config :)
[06:58] <zenrox> WeedVender,  you do sudo cp /your/location/for/this/file/sources.list /ect/apt/sources.list
[06:58] <s1amson> this is prolly the most helpful nix chan i ever been to
[06:58] <spikeb> TheGorf, synaptic has it, it's libgtk1.2
[06:58] <zenrox> s1amson,  thats wht ubuntu means
[06:59] <nevyn> TheGorf: what applications that rely on gtk+ are you using?
[06:59] <spikeb> TheGorf, install industrial for gtk1, too :)
[06:59] <GentleHatemonger> I heart Ubuntu!
[06:59] <spikeb> then it wont be so fugly
[06:59] <zenrox> lol @ GentleHatemonger
[06:59] <TheGorf> Spike and nevyn, one of the applications I am trying to install is BlueFish.  It says that I need GTK 2.0 or higher
[06:59] <s1amson> i thought it was gonna make me a sex god
[06:59] <WeedVender> this is THE most helpfull nix chan ive been to...
[06:59] <s1amson> you mean... i wont get chix?
[07:00] <spikeb> zenrox, run an upgrade on your system with my sources.list - you'll get firefox 1.0 and a couple other things
[07:00] <spikeb> :)
[07:00] <spikeb> hmm
[07:00] <zenrox> spikeb, i allready have it
[07:00] <spikeb> zenrox, oh
[07:00] <zenrox> i am using hoary
[07:00] <spikeb> zenrox, darn
[07:00] <spikeb> LOL
[07:00] <zenrox> but i see some other respories i need
[07:00] <zenrox> lol
[07:00] <spikeb> TheGorf, are you compiling?
[07:01] <s1amson> zen likes a challenge - like... he sometimes grows his hair out to tempt the bugs
[07:01] <TheGorf> I would prefer to install bre-built packages, though I am not opposed to buildign from source
[07:01] <zenrox> s1amson, shudup s1amson  before i slap you in to nxt week
[07:01] <spikeb> TheGorf, well if you compile, you need the dev packages. if its a binary, it's being stupid because you already have gtk 2.0 or later installed
[07:01] <TheGorf> spikeb... that is interesting.
[07:01] <s1amson> i perfer nxt week actually
[07:02] <spikeb> next week is 2005
[07:02] <spikeb> heh
[07:02] <TheGorf> let me try again and see what it says exactly
[07:02] <s1amson> \o/
[07:02] <s1amson> <3
[07:02] <spikeb> TheGorf, ok
[07:02] <zenrox> hehehe
[07:02] <spikeb> brb cig
[07:02] <zenrox> ok
[07:02] <s1amson> zen gimmeh teh # live eval is almose dun
[07:03] <TheGorf> spikeb, I saw that post about an updated sources.list, is that one you posted the link to different then the one that is installed?
[07:04] <spikeb> TheGorf, yes - it has extra repositories in it
[07:05] <spikeb> TheGorf, some backports (like a newer firefox), mono, java
[07:05] <spikeb> flash
[07:05] <jeff2> how can I setup the filesystems LVM will use in the Ubuntu installer?
[07:06] <WeedVender> whats that website that showed you how to do everything.
[07:06] <WeedVender> you guys posted it before gnome crashed
[07:06] <zenrox> http://ubuntuguide.org
[07:07] <jeff2> does the Ubuntu installer support installing to an LVM volume?
[07:07] <zenrox> jeff2,  id asume so
[07:08] <TheGorf> YAHOO!  Thanks spikeb, that is the trick, it was looking for the -dev versions of the libraries.  Thanks
[07:09] <jeff2> zenrox: do you know how? I can't find anywhere in the installer where I can specify what filesystems and mountpoints to use within the LVM LV...
[07:09] <zenrox> in the partioner
[07:09] <spikeb> TheGorf, you're welcome
[07:09] <zenrox> sme whare
[07:09] <spikeb> WeedVender, ubuntuguide.org
[07:09] <WeedVender> no im here...
[07:10] <WeedVender> thanks
[07:10] <zenrox> spikeb,  i allready gave it to him
[07:10] <WeedVender> just finished with the sources.list file
[07:10] <spikeb> ahhh
[07:10] <WeedVender> ok... now what
[07:10] <WeedVender> apt-get update?
[07:10] <spikeb> yes
[07:11] <WeedVender> ah cool
[07:11] <WeedVender> thanks
[07:11] <zenrox> WeedVender,  your getting it slowly
[07:11] <zenrox> soon you will be able to hlp people
[07:12] <WeedVender> I know windows like the back of my hand.
[07:12] <WeedVender> Linux is a different story
[07:12] <zenrox> you'll learn linux is far serior to win
[07:12] <jeff2> zenrox: in the partitioner, you can only select Usage method: physical volume for LVM. Under "Configure LVM", you can only create LVs and VGs, and you can only specify the name. Is there a window or option I'm missing?
[07:12] <spikeb> i've been using linux as my main desktop OS so long now that i forget how things work in windows
[07:13] <zenrox> jeff2,  i dont know any more than that
[07:13] <WeedVender> I was just on Windows 2003 and I felt like booting back to linux because its so ehh..
[07:13] <jeff2> zenrox: ok thanks anyways
[07:13] <spikeb> heh
[07:13] <spikeb> i am so used to GNOME that i can't stand anything else for any length of time
[07:13] <zenrox> jeff2,  ant least i pointed you in the right direction
[07:13] <zenrox> spikeb,  i am the same way
[07:13] <WeedVender> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resources temprarily unavalable...)
[07:13] <zenrox> thats why i dont like KDE
[07:14] <zenrox> WeedVender,  close snyaptic
[07:14] <spikeb> WeedVender, you cant have synaptic open while you use apt from the command line
[07:14] <WeedVender> i c
[07:15] <WeedVender> thanks, everything went off without a problem
[07:15] <WeedVender> how different is KDE from Gnome?
[07:15] <zenrox> kde = bloat
[07:15] <zenrox> imho
[07:16] <spikeb> KDE looks different, behaves different, and is coded different
[07:16] <WeedVender> can you get the terminal in gnome transparent like in KDE?
[07:16] <zenrox> WeedVender,  yes
[07:17] <WeedVender> cool, I will look it up.
[07:18] <zenrox> WeedVender,  all you gots to do is edit the profile and look for the option
[07:21] <WeedVender> it says schema..
[07:21] <ArCHoNKoG> anyone know how to get xmms working with wma song files
[07:21] <WeedVender> which one do I choose...Background Darkness, Background Type...?
[07:22] <spikeb> here
[07:22] <spikeb> edit profiles, default, effects, transparent background
[07:26] <WeedVender> edit profiles eh? Don't see it
[07:26] <zenrox> spikeb,  whare is the hardware list
[07:26] <spikeb> hardware list?
[07:26] <WeedVender> system config, device manager?
[07:26] <WeedVender> to zenrox..
[07:26] <spikeb> WeedVender, open a terminal - the in the edit menu, profiles
[07:26] <spikeb> should be there
[07:26] <zenrox> the the supported
[07:27] <spikeb> oh i dont know of a HCL
[07:28] <WeedVender> when it asks if I want to run a command as a login shell, what does it mean?
[07:29] <spikeb> WeedVender, i have no idea
[07:29] <spikeb> i left it at the default
[07:29] <spikeb> heh
[07:29] <spikeb> im going to bed, take care
[07:29] <WeedVender> id just click it anyway...
[07:30] <WeedVender> ok, thanks and c ya... take care.
[07:31] <zenrox> list one
[07:31] <zenrox> the supported hardware list
[07:32] <Zerabaka> I need help getting k3b working. Can anyone help?
[07:36] <WeedVender> Its after hours anyway...
[07:36] <WeedVender> sorry Zerabaka...
[07:36] <WeedVender> Im a resident noob..
[07:37] <GentleHatemonger> he left
[07:37] <GentleHatemonger> WeedVender: noobular
[07:37] <GentleHatemonger> lol
[07:37] <WeedVender> eh... didn't notice
[07:37] <GentleHatemonger> how you doing?
[07:38] <WeedVender> I'm doing fine. Just preparing some questions.
[07:38] <WeedVender> like every time I type ./configure for a directory, I get an error
[07:38] <crimsun> what error?
[07:39] <WeedVender> it prevents me from using the "make" command
[07:39] <WeedVender> let me check
[07:39] <crimsun> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:39] <crimsun> run that.
[07:40] <WeedVender> running...
[07:40] <WeedVender> done it seems
[07:40] <WeedVender> but when i try to install Xmms
[07:41] <Scorp> omg Terminator 3 was a really good movie
[07:41] <Scorp> it's the only movie that didn't have a bull shit ending
[07:41] <WeedVender> ...
[07:41] <Scorp> sorry
[07:41] <Scorp> it's the truth
[07:41] <Scorp> no wonder it did poorly in theaters
[07:42] <Scorp> the general public is too stupid for it
[07:42] <WeedVender> no.. im just wondering how long has that movie been out
[07:42] <Scorp> they are not ready yet
[07:42] <Scorp> I just saw it I know
[07:42] <Scorp> I thought it sucked and waited to see it on HBO
[07:42] <WeedVender> it was acutally pretty good
[07:42] <Scorp> it was
[07:42] <Scorp> and the philosophy7
[07:42] <Scorp> it all makes sense
[07:42] <WeedVender> yeah, MAD wouldn't work..
[07:42] <WeedVender> total nuclear histeria
[07:43] <Scorp> MAD isn't the point
[07:43] <Scorp> the point is
[07:43] <Scorp> we're building faster and better CPUs
[07:43] <WeedVender> i know
[07:43] <Scorp> the amount of data we can send from point a to point b is increasing very quickly
[07:43] <Scorp> and the software we write is getting exponentially more complex and therefore more bug ridden
[07:44] <Scorp> how long before someone writes a virus that will take advantage of our fast CPUs and fat lines
[07:44] <Scorp> to adept itself to everysystem and to intelligently find an exploit
[07:44] <Scorp> in all the shitty software out there
[07:44] <Scorp> since all exploits are just a variation on 1 original exploit, that virus wouldn't even have to be terribly intelligent
[07:44] <Scorp> well not on 1 original
[07:44] <Zotnix> Sadly, the Processor of the Future(tm) will be extremely small, but will need a nuclear reactor power supply to run and it's own 100,000 BTU Super Kool Kompact Cooling Unit.
[07:45] <Scorp> but on a few basic concepts
[07:45] <WeedVender> eh... the advent of AI
[07:45] <Scorp> And I wanted to be a BME
[07:45] <Scorp> hell no
[07:45] <Scorp> I'm going into CS
[07:45] <GentleHatemonger> I want some AI
[07:45] <GentleHatemonger> tasty
[07:45] <Scorp> I'm going to rule the world
[07:45] <Scorp> meh, that was my 2 minutes of crazines.. your turn
[07:45] <GentleHatemonger> not if I get there first
[07:45] <Zotnix> Too late, Bill Gates already filled that spot.
[07:45] <WeedVender> no... there is a richer guy
[07:45] <Zotnix> you'll have to wait until he croaks.. then defeat his horde of borgs
[07:45] <GentleHatemonger> I'm going into CS as well
[07:45] <jeff2> ok, I figured out how to create partitions in an LVM volume, however once I create a swap in the LV, the remaining 32.4 GB space shows up as "unusable". what is "unusable", and why is it unusable? My partition table is listed here: http://godmeira.notlong.com/ .. any help much appreciated
[07:45] <GentleHatemonger> the Ikea guy?
[07:46] <Scorp> ok question guys
[07:46] <Zotnix> May not be the richest, but Bill Gates owns You
[07:46] <WeedVender> no
[07:46] <Scorp> is Johns Hopkins known for Computer Science ?
[07:46] <GentleHatemonger> dunno
[07:46] <WeedVender> the Uni?
[07:46] <Scorp> yeah
[07:46] <GentleHatemonger> is that where you're going?
[07:46] <WeedVender> Med
[07:46] <Scorp> yeah
[07:46] <Scorp> JHU
[07:46] <WeedVender> all the way, more specifically for medical research and technology...
[07:46] <Scorp> the undergraduate school
[07:46] <WeedVender> im talking about the one in boston.
[07:47] <Scorp> Johns Hopkins? it's in baltimore
[07:47] <Scorp> MD
[07:47] <WeedVender> blah
[07:47] <Scorp> MIT is in boston I think
[07:47] <GentleHatemonger> I'm going to University of Illinois
[07:47] <WeedVender> all this college stuff confuses me
[07:47] <Scorp> but MIT is a crappy school -- fact...
[07:47] <GentleHatemonger> next year
[07:47] <Scorp> :)
[07:47] <WeedVender> really? What are you going to study?
[07:47] <GentleHatemonger> Computer Science
[07:47] <Scorp> GentleHatemonger: yeah I'm a senior this year too
[07:48] <GentleHatemonger> Scorp: haha, nerd
[07:48] <Scorp> I'm going to study BioMedicalEngineering
[07:48] <WeedVender> MIT is the cream of the crop..
[07:48] <GentleHatemonger> Scorp: jk, where you go to school?
[07:48] <WeedVender> Good field
[07:48] <Scorp> N.CAL.
[07:48] <GentleHatemonger> fun
[07:48] <GentleHatemonger> I live in Aurora, Illinois - same place as Wayne's World
[07:48] <Scorp> lol
[07:48] <GentleHatemonger> I go to a special school
[07:48] <Scorp> a reason to be proud, indeed!
[07:48] <GentleHatemonger> we have short buses
[07:49] <Scorp> "special" or actually special
[07:49] <Scorp> with tinded windows?
[07:49] <GentleHatemonger> not sure
[07:49] <GentleHatemonger> I think
[07:49] <Scorp> are you special ED?
[07:49] <Scorp> or just regular lol
[07:49] <GentleHatemonger> neither
[07:49] <GentleHatemonger> It's a school for nerds
[07:49] <Scorp> oh lucky
[07:49] <GentleHatemonger> Illinois Math and Science Academy
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:49] <GentleHatemonger> blah, the girls aren't that attractive
[07:49] <GentleHatemonger> hi Mr. Bon Bon
[07:49] <GentleHatemonger> I love your snacks
[07:49] <Scorp> I'm guessing you're probably done with Calculus IV now lol?
[07:50] <WeedVender> the sacrifices one must make
[07:50] <WeedVender> id wish I was in one of those schools.
[07:50] <GentleHatemonger> Scorp: no, that doesn't exist, I just finished BC Calc 3
[07:50] <Scorp> bah
[07:50] <GentleHatemonger> Scorp: I might go into Multivariable next semester
[07:50] <Scorp> I'm struggling to start calc AB
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> how do i non destructively repartition my hd ?
[07:50] <Scorp> and I'm a fucking engineer
[07:50] <GentleHatemonger> da_bon_bon: what do you want to do?
[07:50] <Scorp> non-destructively? you got windows on that hdd?
[07:51] <da_bon_bon> GentleHatemonger: resize partitions to create space for installing distros.
[07:51] <da_bon_bon> Scorp: yes vfat
[07:51] <GentleHatemonger> da_bon_bon: Partition Magic goodness
[07:51] <Scorp> then partitionmagic will do the trick
[07:51] <jeff2> da_bon_bon: there are tools for resizing fat
[07:51] <WeedVender> whats the advantage of using Vfat instead of Fat 32
[07:51] <Scorp> less fat
[07:51] <Scorp> muahahaha
[07:51] <jeff2> da_bon_bon: fips or qtparted as well, iirc
[07:51] <WeedVender> nice
[07:51] <GentleHatemonger> lol
[07:51] <WeedVender> you can also try Acronis Partition Expert
[07:52] <WeedVender> nice and easy..
[07:52] <GentleHatemonger> fatty fatty fat fat
[07:52] <da_bon_bon> WeedVender: by default its vfat, ?
[07:52] <WeedVender> ?
[07:52] <da_bon_bon> jeff2: qtparted gives me errors always.
[07:52] <da_bon_bon> ped_filesystem_cal
[07:52] <WeedVender> I have an NTFS Windows partion, a Ext3, and a FAT32
[07:52] <zeratha> I just did an upgrade and now the sound won't work. It can't seem to find the mixer or sound device. Can someone help please.
[07:52] <Scorp> so who wants to help me write an intelligent self aware virus? we'll GPL it and put it on sourceforge
[07:52] <Scorp> ;)
[07:53] <Scorp> then we take over the world
[07:53] <Scorp> actually we'll BSDL it
[07:53] <WeedVender> nah
[07:53] <WeedVender> IE is an excellent carrier
[07:53] <Scorp> GPL is for commies, although I should probably not say it in this channel
[07:53] <GentleHatemonger> I heart LGPL
[07:53] <WeedVender> try IE, it spreads faster
[07:53] <Scorp> IE is to a computer virus like a hooker is to STDs
[07:53] <WeedVender> lol
[07:54] <Scorp> "it's funny cause it's true"
[07:54] <da_bon_bon> so, any nice utility to do my job, except qtparted ?
[07:54] <Scorp> partition magic
[07:54] <Scorp> except it costs $
[07:54] <GentleHatemonger> partition magic is nice
[07:54] <WeedVender> Acronis Partition Expert
[07:54] <Scorp> if you catch my drift
[07:54] <GentleHatemonger> Scorp, it just costs Bittorrent bandwidth
[07:54] <GentleHatemonger> lol
[07:54] <jeff2> da_bon_bon: whats wrong with qtparted?
[07:55] <Scorp> GentleHatemonger: that's what I was implying by "it costs $" I meant he was going to have to warez it one way or another lol
[07:55] <Scorp> but I didn't want to actually suggest that
[07:55] <zeratha> I just did an upgrade and now the sound won't work. It can't seem to find the mixer or sound device. Can someone help please.
[07:55] <WeedVender> ok what is GGC?
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> jeff2: gives me errors of ped_filesysstem_call or osmething
[07:55] <Scorp> pedaphile system call, common error
[07:56] <WeedVender> g++ or something
[07:56] <Scorp> it's a compiler
[07:56] <Scorp> WeedVender
[07:56] <Scorp> I think
[07:56] <Scorp> of sorts
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> then what do i do ?
[07:56] <jeff2> zeratha: make sure you have the mixer and sound devices installed in your kernel
[07:57] <jeff2> WeedVender: if you mean gcc, officially, its the GNU Compiler Collection, commonly used to compile C, but also has backends for C++, Fortran, Java
[07:57] <Scorp> anyway, does anyone know of colleges that have co-ed dorm rooms
[07:57] <WeedVender> down here... in Dominican Republic...
[07:57] <zeratha> jeff2, I'm pretty new to Ubuntu and debien. How do I be sure of that? I have an Audigy sound card.
[07:58] <WeedVender> eh. If you are looking for something local then I can't help you.
[07:58] <Scorp> wouldn't it be cool to live with a girl? (now I know I say this in a Linux chatroom but...)
[07:58] <WeedVender> lol
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> er, marry one.. you 'll soon learn it aint all its cracked up to be...
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[07:59] <WeedVender> I brb, Im going to mount a hard drive.
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:59] <WeedVender> yes... the best thing is to be single and a student..
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> true
[07:59] <Scorp> you should talk
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> oh so true
[07:59] <WeedVender> PMS strikes often in a month.
[07:59] <Scorp> you're mounting harddrives
[07:59] <Scorp> try mounting something softer
[07:59] <Scorp> ;)
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> lol
[08:00] <Scorp> thank you thank you, try the veal
[08:00] <WeedVender> yes....
[08:00] <GentleHatemonger> WeedVender: don't be single
[08:00] <WeedVender> hard drives are cool... they can keep you warm at night.
[08:00] <nomasteryoda> zeratha, try sudo lspci in a terminal
[08:01] <nomasteryoda> there are other methods more direct.... but'm sleepy
[08:01] <GentleHatemonger> WeedVender: so do the foxy ladies
[08:01] <GentleHatemonger> WeedVender: that come with the hard drives
[08:01] <zeratha> nomasteryoda, 0000:01:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03)
[08:01] <zeratha> it sees it
[08:01] <nomasteryoda> sounds good to me
[08:01] <nomasteryoda> cool
[08:02] <zeratha> ok, and...
[08:02] <WeedVender> no but I don't see any reason why to get a girl now... too much work
[08:02] <WeedVender> plus... nothing wastes more $$$ than a girl.
[08:02] <nomasteryoda> you betcha!
[08:03] <WeedVender> ....interesting.
[08:03] <Scorp> uhh yeah
[08:03] <GentleHatemonger> WeedVender: I haven't spent a dime on my girlfriend
[08:03] <WeedVender> i tried that command.
[08:03] <Scorp> GentleHatemonger is she open source?
[08:03] <WeedVender> it says I have an ISA bridge.
[08:03] <WeedVender> lol
[08:03] <GentleHatemonger> Scorp: she's no whore
[08:03] <nomasteryoda> lol
[08:03] <WeedVender> warez?
[08:03] <nomasteryoda> share and share alike.
[08:03] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[08:04] <zeratha> is this a linux support chat or a bitchin session about women of which I am one?
[08:04] <nomasteryoda> nah, she's bittorrent
[08:04] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[08:04] <Nigelenki> eww women  o.o
[08:04] <GentleHatemonger> zeratha: I'm not bitching about women
[08:04] <Scorp> men don't bitch about women
[08:04] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[08:04] <Nigelenki> men ar ebetter
[08:04] <WeedVender> im not doing anything offensive.
[08:04] <Scorp> we discuss
[08:04] <GentleHatemonger> women are awesome
[08:04] <WeedVender> just saying the truth.
[08:04] <zeratha> I agree
[08:04] <Nigelenki> I'd rather discuss men  o.o
[08:04] <GentleHatemonger> that and and squishy
[08:04] <GentleHatemonger> one and
[08:04] <Scorp> my woman needs a reboot
[08:04] <GentleHatemonger> don't kick your woman
[08:04] <zeratha> I really want to listen to music, but the fuckin sound device isnt working!
[08:05] <WeedVender> volume on?
[08:05] <GentleHatemonger> zeratha: anything I can help with?
[08:05] <nomasteryoda> whoa
[08:05] <Fator_Dee> morning
[08:05] <nomasteryoda> zeratha, did you do a alsamixer
[08:05] <WeedVender> morning is right! look at the time
[08:05] <GentleHatemonger> it's night where I am
[08:05] <nomasteryoda> in terminal?
[08:05] <nomasteryoda> 2am almost here
[08:05] <GentleHatemonger> 9:05 in Hawaii
[08:05] <Scorp> you're in hawaii?
[08:06] <WeedVender> brb... reboot, back to dreaded Windows
[08:06] <nomasteryoda> some fool of a skyper woke me up
[08:06] <WeedVender> im in the carribean... 2.06
[08:06] <Fator_Dee> GentleHatemonger: then it's obvious that you're in the wrong place :-)
[08:06] <GentleHatemonger> My parents live in Hawaii, I'm visiting them
[08:06] <nomasteryoda> nice
[08:06] <Scorp> lucky lucky people
[08:06] <zeratha> nomasteryoda, Yup and it is showing volume levels. It's the gnome mixer that doesn't work.
[08:06] <GentleHatemonger> not luck
[08:06] <Scorp> money?
[08:06] <Scorp> lol jk
[08:06] <GentleHatemonger> yep
[08:07] <GentleHatemonger> lol
[08:07] <nomasteryoda> what app are you trying to play music with?
[08:07] <Scorp> is it me or does hawaii weather make people unusually hot?
[08:07] <Scorp> as in wanting to umm...
[08:07] <GentleHatemonger> hot girls are hot
[08:07] <Scorp> you know
[08:08] <Scorp> no not make them look hot
[08:08] <Scorp> but put them into a "rut"
[08:08] <zeratha> nomasteryoda, It's the volume control applet that doesn't work
[08:08] <nomasteryoda> ok i c
[08:08] <GentleHatemonger> Scorp: I dunno, I guess
[08:08] <GentleHatemonger> it's the rainy season now
[08:08] <Scorp> oh
[08:08] <Scorp> do people still walk around in bikinis ?
[08:08] <nomasteryoda> that is odd... oh, wait...
[08:08] <nomasteryoda> i had  an audigy prob with my suse box
[08:09] <nomasteryoda> ... the analog port was on when it needed to be off..
[08:09] <GentleHatemonger> Scorp: on the beach
[08:09] <nomasteryoda> fallin asleep ...
[08:09] <zeratha> ok, and how do I disable that
[08:09] <GentleHatemonger> sleep is for the weak!
[08:09] <nomasteryoda> someone help zeratha
[08:09] <Scorp> GentleHatemonger: rawwr
[08:09] <Scorp> lol sorry
[08:09] <Scorp> where in hawaii are you?
[08:09] <nomasteryoda> i know somebody knows the answer..
[08:09] <GentleHatemonger> In Honolulu
[08:10] <GentleHatemonger> zeratha: is it in alsamixer?
[08:10] <zeratha> Is what?
[08:10] <Scorp> GentleHatemonger: all I can say is that you're a lucky man
[08:10] <GentleHatemonger> the analog thing
[08:10] <GentleHatemonger> Scorp: how so?
[08:11] <Scorp> GentleHatemonger: you're in hawaii
[08:11] <Fator_Dee> bun in havaii there's no snow :-(
[08:11] <zeratha> GentleHatemonger, yes and it is enabled but all the way down.
[08:12] <nomasteryoda> GentleHatemonger, zeratha .. near the righthand side of the alsamixer ... i had to mute using the m key..i think that was it
[08:12] <nomasteryoda> been quite a while thou
[08:12] <GentleHatemonger> zeratha: mute it
[08:12] <nomasteryoda> yea
[08:12] <GentleHatemonger> Scorp: Hawaii's not that great
[08:12] <zeratha> I am using the ncurses based alsamixer and the M key is doing nothing
[08:14] <GentleHatemonger> zeratha: *tear*
[08:14] <WeedVender> yawn
[08:14] <GentleHatemonger> yawntastic
[08:14] <WeedVender> what happened?
[08:14] <GentleHatemonger> WeedVender: you missed the coolest thing
[08:15] <zeratha> Wow, this whole community support thing works well..... :-(
[08:15] <WeedVender> don't get discouraged.
[08:15] <nomasteryoda> congrats..
[08:15] <nomasteryoda> lol
[08:15] <zeratha> too late.
[08:15] <nomasteryoda> mute the SB live at the far right... if you have that opton
[08:15] <WeedVender> its late and most of the people who help out are sleepy
[08:15] <WeedVender> or sleeping.
[08:15] <zeratha> How do I mute?
[08:16] <nomasteryoda> mine is labeled SB live  Analog/digital output jack
[08:16] <nomasteryoda> in the curses mode just arrow over to it and  use the M key.. that does it for me
[08:17] <nomasteryoda> had to ssh into the box that i know has one of those cards
[08:17] <zeratha> nomasteryoda, well this sucks because it does not work for me.... :-(
[08:19] <nomasteryoda> looking on google.
[08:22] <nomasteryoda> zeratha, are the sound modules loaded
[08:23] <nomasteryoda> lsmod | grep snd_
[08:23] <zeratha> Yes, about five or so it seems. Here is a list of the modules:
[08:23] <nomasteryoda> ok
[08:23] <nomasteryoda> there are lots of then
[08:23] <nomasteryoda> m
[08:23] <zeratha> snd_emu10k1            80776  1
[08:23] <zeratha> snd_rawmidi            23232  1 snd_emu10k1
[08:23] <zeratha> snd_pcm_oss            48168  0
[08:23] <zeratha> snd_mixer_oss          16640  1 snd_pcm_oss
[08:23] <zeratha> snd_pcm                85540  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm_oss
[08:23] <zeratha> snd_timer              23172  1 snd_pcm
[08:23] <zeratha> snd_seq_device          7944  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi
[08:23] <zeratha> snd_ac97_codec         59268  1 snd_emu10k1
[08:24] <zeratha> snd_page_alloc         11144  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm
[08:24] <zeratha> snd_util_mem            4608  1 snd_emu10k1
[08:24] <zeratha> snd_hwdep               9120  1 snd_emu10k1
[08:24] <zeratha> snd                    50660  12 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_util_mem,snd_hwdep
[08:24] <zeratha> soundcore               9824  1 snd
[08:24] <zeratha> Anything missing?
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> nope that all looks ok
[08:25] <tallgeeseiiii> hello, anyone talking tonight?
[08:25] <zeratha> Well, I'm tired and horny so I have to go please myself. Thanks anyhow.
[08:25] <GentleHatemonger> hello
[08:25] <nomasteryoda> lol
[08:25] <nomasteryoda> welcome
[08:25] <GentleHatemonger> I'm back from pleasing myself
[08:25] <nomasteryoda> do a google zeratha
[08:25] <zenrox> me too
[08:25] <zeratha> GentleHatemonger, again?
[08:25] <zeratha> damn!
[08:25] <GentleHatemonger> zeratha: this is the first time in a few hours
[08:25] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[08:25] <GentleHatemonger> lol
[08:25] <zeratha> you must be young!
[08:25] <GentleHatemonger> 17
[08:26] <GentleHatemonger> I feel so old
[08:26] <zenrox> no i feel old
[08:26] <zenrox> 26
[08:26] <tallgeeseiiii> hey, i'm just switching over to linux for the first time after watching my friend use ubuntu, he gave me the install cd, i got a new 120 gig hd for christmas and i wanted to set up a dual operating system with xp and ubuntu but the install failed on the new drive
[08:26] <nomasteryoda> hehe, is this the eharmony network or what
[08:26] <GentleHatemonger> ah
[08:26] <zeratha> oh, well that explains that, and I could get arrested talking to you about adult subject matter. Have a good night....
[08:26] <GentleHatemonger> tallgeeseiiii: what happened?
[08:26] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[08:26] <zenrox> hehehe
[08:26] <WeedVender> ok..
[08:27] <WeedVender> the kernel does not support fat32
[08:27] <GentleHatemonger> it doesn't?
[08:27] <zenrox> it does
[08:27] <nomasteryoda> tallgeeseiiii, did you install winders on it first
[08:27] <WeedVender> root@Jiraiya:/home/jiraiya # mount -a
[08:27] <WeedVender> mount: fs type fat32 not supported by kernel
[08:27] <WeedVender> root@Jiraiya:/home/jiraiya #
[08:27] <zenrox> it has to
[08:27] <GentleHatemonger> oh, vfat
[08:27] <tallgeeseiiii> well, the drive wasn't formatted for windows yet or anything but i created a new partition like it asked then proceeded installing linux then the install failed at about 70 something percent saying the kernel coul not be installed
[08:27] <GentleHatemonger> not fat32
[08:27] <GentleHatemonger> use "vfat"
[08:27] <WeedVender> kk
[08:27] <zenrox> fat32 = vfat
[08:27] <WeedVender> ...
[08:27] <GentleHatemonger> tallgeeseiiii: your CD was scratched
[08:27] <GentleHatemonger> tallgeeseiiii: or dirty
[08:28] <nomasteryoda> GentleHatemonger, or jsut a  bad burn
[08:28] <WeedVender> doesn't the cd use high compression?
[08:28] <nomasteryoda> it does happen
[08:28] <nomasteryoda> nite
[08:28] <WeedVender> redownload.
[08:28] <GentleHatemonger> I think there isn't any compression
[08:28] <WeedVender> what!?
[08:28] <GentleHatemonger> it's just plain debs
[08:28] <tallgeeseiiii> it's an official cd and it's clean and not scratched... hmm, is there anything else that could have caused it?
[08:28] <GentleHatemonger> not squashfs or anything
[08:28] <WeedVender> bends?
[08:28] <GentleHatemonger> use soap and water
[08:29] <WeedVender> a lot of cds can bend rendering them unusable
[08:29] <tallgeeseiiii> yeah
[08:29] <WeedVender> yeah what?
[08:29] <tallgeeseiiii> that could have happened, i dunno what my friend may have put it through
[08:29] <WeedVender> when he gave it to you, did you put it in a case?
[08:30] <tallgeeseiiii> yeah, i have the standard ubuntu case with the logo and live and install cd's
[08:30] <WeedVender> you are saying that it doesn't install?
[08:31] <tallgeeseiiii> basically, it said the kernel couldn't be written to the hard disk
[08:31] <tallgeeseiiii> then it aborted itself and started over
[08:31] <WeedVender> how big was the partition?
[08:31] <GentleHatemonger> you should "Test Media"
[08:31] <tallgeeseiiii> 120 gigs, lol
[08:31] <WeedVender> eh.
[08:31] <tallgeeseiiii> test media?
[08:31] <WeedVender> my first installation had to retry 3 times
[08:32] <GentleHatemonger> on the CD, you can check the media to see if it's right
[08:32] <tallgeeseiiii> ah, guess i'll retry then, i have some time tonight
[08:32] <tallgeeseiiii> ok
[08:32] <GentleHatemonger> WeedVender: I messed up on kernel, then I popped it out and cleaned it - it worked then
[08:32] <WeedVender> YES, drive mounted.
[08:32] <WeedVender> the thing just froze on my like 2-3 times
[08:33] <WeedVender> had my fingers crossed last time
[08:33] <tallgeeseiiii> hah, oh well, thx guys
[08:33] <tallgeeseiiii> no doubt i'll be back eventually
[08:33] <WeedVender> ok
[08:33] <WeedVender> I have an MP3 on a shared drive from a windows partition
[08:33] <WeedVender> totem cannot play it, so cant music player
[08:34] <WeedVender> how can I install Xmms?
[08:34] <GentleHatemonger> WeedVender: hang on
[08:34] <WeedVender> i got it uncompressed on the desktop
[08:34] <WeedVender> ok
[08:34] <cornflake> WebMaven_away: apt-get install xmms ?
[08:34] <WeedVender> ...
[08:34] <WeedVender> that was surprisingly simple
[08:35] <WeedVender> I love this sh*T!
[08:35] <GentleHatemonger> WeedVender: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:35] <WeedVender> what about video playback?
[08:35] <GentleHatemonger> that'll let you play mp3s in rhythmbox and totem
[08:35] <cornflake> WeedVender: yeah... debian based distros are pretty kewl...
[08:35] <WeedVender> hld, terminal is running.
[08:36] <GentleHatemonger> I call Ubuntu a bisexual
[08:36] <GentleHatemonger> it loves _everybody_
[08:36] <WeedVender> how hard is debian though?
[08:36] <GentleHatemonger> not horribl
[08:36] <GentleHatemonger> y
[08:36] <cornflake> Kernel: Linux 2.6.8.1-4-686 | Distro: Debian/GNU 3.1 | CPU: Celeron (Coppermine) @ 998 Mhz | Mem usage: 502.8/631.4 MB (80%) | Swap usage: 354.5/488.7 MB (73%) | Disk usage(WDC WD400BB-00DEA0): 13.5/36.2 GB (37%) | Uptime: 1 wk 8 hrs 20 mins 53 secs
[08:36] <GentleHatemonger> it was what I used before Ubuntu
[08:36] <GentleHatemonger> Ubuntu's just so much easier
[08:36] <calc> debian is more or less than without the fast release cycle
[08:37] <zenrox> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.963 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 245/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.86G Free: 31.46G Procs: 102 Uptime: 3 hrs 46 mins 48 secs Load: 2.41 2.27 1.80  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 355.68M Out: 20.93M
[08:37] <fabbione> STOP flooding the channel
[08:37] <WeedVender> thanks guys
[08:37] <WeedVender> are you the mod, fabbione?
[08:37] <fabbione> WeedVender: if i want to..
[08:37] <WeedVender> good to know..
[08:38] <zenrox> sorry thats habbit if i see system info my fingers type really fast with out my controle
[08:38] <calc> zenrox: break your fingers then the problem is solved :)
[08:38] <cornflake> calc: who are the ircops on this channel?
[08:39] <zenrox> calc ok
[08:39] <fabbione> there are several
[08:39] <calc> cornflake: not sure, but anyone can get hold of them :)
[08:39] <zenrox> hehe
[08:39] <WeedVender> *zenrox should be in agony right now
[08:40] <zenrox> naw
[08:40] <calc> there are 11 people with op or higher chanserv access
[08:40] <zenrox> cant hurt any worse than a tattoo
[08:40] <calc> plus probably other people with real ircop access
[08:40] <WeedVender> bite a bullet
[08:40] <rvirani> are there any softwares for playing DVDs in Linux, I really dont want to reboot :P
[08:41] <WeedVender> ok...totem is now working.
[08:41] <WeedVender> thanks
[08:41] <calc> rvirani: totem-xine will with libdvdcss
[08:41] <zenrox> rvirani,  yes its called gxine
[08:42] <GentleHatemonger> rvirani: yep
[08:42] <zenrox> xine is the best dvd player that i have seen
[08:42] <GentleHatemonger> (in it's special area)
[08:42] <cornflake> how many of u guys use debian-unstable branch instead?
[08:42] <GentleHatemonger> its*
[08:42] <GentleHatemonger> I used to when I used Debian
[08:42] <cornflake> GentleHatemonger: u use the ubuntu branch?
[08:42] <zenrox> cornflake,  ubuntu uses the debian-unstable branch
[08:43] <cornflake> zenrox: i see
[08:43] <zenrox> cornflake,  thay take a snapshot then fix the probs then release it
[08:43] <cornflake> zenrox: i see
[08:43] <zenrox> i am using hoary witch is the devel ver of ubuntu
[08:43] <calc> i've used debian for over 6 years, but running ubuntu right now
[08:44] <WeedVender> eh...
[08:44] <cornflake> zenrox: i see.... my box is practically debian now even though the install was ubuntu
[08:44] <GentleHatemonger> cornflake: alright, why?
[08:44] <zenrox> cornflake, yep
[08:44] <WeedVender> say I want to install a p2p program, what would I have to do.
[08:45] <WeedVender> actually what is the best one?
[08:45] <GentleHatemonger> WeedVender: bittorrent
[08:45] <zenrox> read the ubuntuguide.org
[08:45] <WeedVender> suprnova is dead
[08:45] <GentleHatemonger> so?
[08:45] <zenrox> WeedVender,  not the other ones
[08:45] <jiyuu0> WeedVender, limewire amule
[08:45] <GentleHatemonger> God bless decentralization
[08:45] <WeedVender> good bad?
[08:45] <cornflake> GentleHatemonger: cuz i kept upgrading on the debian-unstable branch until all of the ubuntu remnants were gone
[08:45] <rvirani> how do I get the dvd plugin
[08:45] <GentleHatemonger> cornflake: lol, but why not just stick wit h
[08:45] <calc> its still easy enough to find bt links if you know where to look
[08:45] <GentleHatemonger> Ubuntu
[08:46] <cornflake> WeedVender: i prefer apollon, a front-end of gift
[08:46] <rvirani> there are a number of packages synaptic comes up with
[08:46] <zenrox> rvirani,  search for libdvdcss
[08:46] <rvirani> nothing
[08:46] <zenrox> rvirani,  then xine
[08:46] <cornflake> GentleHatemonger: cuz it wasn't as current as i wanted
[08:46] <GentleHatemonger> rvirani: you need another repository
[08:46] <WeedVender> ok.. so how would I go about installing applon?
[08:46] <rvirani> nothing about dvd
[08:46] <rvirani> GentleHatemonger, I have all of them
[08:47] <WeedVender> or how ever its speled
[08:47] <GentleHatemonger> rvirani: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[08:47] <zenrox> rvirani,  have you installed xine
[08:47] <GentleHatemonger> rvirani: deb http://apt.cerkinfo.be/ unstable main contrib non-free
[08:47] <GentleHatemonger> rvirani: deb-src http://apt.cerkinfo.be/ unstable main contrib non-free
[08:47] <GentleHatemonger> ;-)
[08:48] <rvirani> zenrox, gxine
[08:48] <rvirani> GentleHatemonger, ok
[08:48] <WeedVender> what are repositories?
[08:48] <rvirani> all of those
[08:48] <rvirani> thats alot
[08:48] <GentleHatemonger> multimedia repositories
[08:48] <GentleHatemonger> (Illegal in America)
[08:48] <GentleHatemonger> capitalist dogs
[08:48] <WeedVender> what is?
[08:48] <zenrox> hay i resent that
[08:48] <zenrox> lol
[08:48] <GentleHatemonger> dvd's are illegal to run on Linux in America
[08:49] <cornflake> WeedVender: umm.... try apt-get install apollon
[08:49] <WeedVender> what!
[08:49] <rvirani> how do I add these
[08:49] <zenrox> ya but that ant going to stop me
[08:49] <GentleHatemonger> zenrox: why, are you Capitalist or American?
[08:49] <cornflake> GentleHatemonger: really?
[08:49] <zenrox> GentleHatemonger,  bolth
[08:49] <vegai> yes, better just download divxs instead of buying DVDs
[08:49] <zenrox> lol
[08:49] <vegai> since you'll be breaking the law anyway ;)
[08:49] <WeedVender> ok
[08:49] <WeedVender> eh..
[08:49] <WeedVender> xmms is running and I ran it from terminal.
[08:49] <cornflake> who gives a fuck about copyright ;)
[08:49] <rvirani> GentleHatemonger, how do I add the repsositroeoes
[08:50] <WeedVender> i dont want to turn xmms but I want to free up terminal
[08:50] <GentleHatemonger> rvirani: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:50] <cornflake> GentleHatemonger: vi is better :P
[08:50] <WeedVender> how does one free up terminal?
[08:50] <GentleHatemonger> WeedVender: Ctrl-Z, bg
[08:50] <WeedVender> xmms stoped
[08:50] <GentleHatemonger> type `bg`
[08:51] <GentleHatemonger> and enter
[08:51] <WeedVender> eh..  just found out
[08:51] <WeedVender> thanks
[08:51] <GentleHatemonger> lol
[08:51] <GentleHatemonger> it's sexy, eh?
[08:51] <WeedVender> ....looks a lot like something... *wonders
[08:51] <GentleHatemonger> Well, I'm gonna play Warcraft 3
[08:52] <cornflake> GentleHatemonger: on linux?
[08:52] <GentleHatemonger> cornflake: of course
[08:52] <cornflake> GentleHatemonger: u have cedega?
[08:52] <WeedVender> there a linux version?
[08:53] <WeedVender> interesting.
[08:53] <zenrox> cedega = wine = windows emulator
[08:53] <WeedVender> why do i still have windows?
[08:53] <nevyn> WeedVender: it works under cedega
[08:53] <crimsun> there isn't a linux version of W3
[08:53] <WeedVender> so I can run windows programs through there?
[08:53] <calc> there isn't a linux version of anything from that !*%! company
[08:53] <zenrox> 30% of the time
[08:53] <calc> and they sue floss developers
[08:54] <crimsun> calc: you must infiltrate them kthx
[08:54] <nevyn> calc: that's why much as I love warcraft and starcraft I won't buy or play them.
[08:55] <Fator_Dee> some are
[08:55] <calc> probably once they can figure out how to keep them from breaking after a few months
[08:58] <WeedVender> *sleeps
[08:58] <WeedVender> I g2g, thanks everyone
[09:00] <rvirani> anyone know of a DVD player that doesnt seg fault?
[09:02] <TheMuso> rvirani: What are you currently using/
[09:02] <rvirani> gxine with libdvdcss2
[09:03] <TheMuso> Have you tried totem with the xine backend?
[09:03] <TheMuso> That seems to work fine for me.
[09:03] <TheMuso> I tried gxine too, with the same problem, program crashed a short way into the DVD.
[09:03] <rvirani> TheMuso, well the dvd starts playing and then cras out and I get a nice segfault
[09:04] <TheMuso> Totem sometimes gives me blue screen for some weird reason, but can play DVDs with no problem.
[09:04] <calc> totem-xine works fine for me
[09:05] <TheMuso> And if you have the DVD autoplay turned on in removable storage, you only have to insert your DVD and set to full screen and you are away.
[09:13] <Smirker> on a clean installation i get:  GDM: Xserver not found: /user/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xaith -nolisten tcp vt7
[09:13] <Smirker> how would i go about fixing this?
[09:15] <GoneBoB> what video car
[09:15] <GoneBoB> d
[09:15] <Smirker> RADEON 7000
[09:17] <Jaye> Hello
[09:19] <Jaye> I have ubuntu installed on a partition.
[09:19] <Jaye> and I just put windows on a different partition.
[09:19] <Jaye> but now I don't know how to get back into ubuntu.
[09:19] <GoneBoB> Jaye: you'll need to boot off the install CD and fix the bootloader
[09:20] <GoneBoB> windows has eaten your bootloader
[09:20] <Jaye> ok
[09:20] <Jaye> will that cause me to lose any data from any hd's?
[09:20] <GoneBoB> no
[09:20] <Jaye> What do I type when I boot from the install cd?
[09:20] <GoneBoB> hm
[09:20] <Jaye> it'll come up with boot:
[09:20] <GoneBoB> yeah
[09:20] <GoneBoB> hangon
[09:20] <Jaye> and if I hit enter it will start to install.
[09:21] <GoneBoB> there should be a faq or something like that
[09:22] <Jaye> I'll lok for lilo
[09:22] <GoneBoB> ubuntu uses grub
[09:23] <Jaye> Does it have to be grub?
[09:23] <GoneBoB> well no, but it uses grub
[09:23] <Jaye> ok
[09:23] <Jaye> It's all the same to me
[09:23] <Jaye> How long have you used linux?
[09:23] <WeedVende1> 5 hours
[09:24] <WeedVende1> eh.. why is my name misspeled?
[09:24] <zenrox> 6 years off and on
[09:24] <GoneBoB> 7 years
[09:24] <Jaye> wow
[09:24] <Jaye> I've been on it for 2 days.
[09:24] <Jaye> but only had a version installed for about 13 hours
[09:24] <zenrox> GoneBoB,  first linux distro??
[09:24] <Jaye> It's so hard
[09:24] <Jaye> but I think it'll be worth it.
[09:24] <WeedVende1> anyway, what was that command to free up terminal?
[09:24] <Jaye> I hope
[09:24] <zenrox> mine was rh 7.2
[09:25] <ryan> i've used linux for about 5 years or so
[09:25] <GoneBoB> zenrox: slackware .. old slackware
[09:25] <ryan> but i'm mostly a bsd guy now
[09:25] <WeedVende1> ctrl - z, ?
[09:25] <GoneBoB> abotu the era of RH 4
[09:25] <Jaye> do you guys have any decent linux games?
[09:25] <zenrox> WeedVende1, ctrl+c
[09:25] <WeedVende1> to free up terminal?
[09:25] <WeedVende1> why is my name misspelled?
[09:25] <zenrox> Jaye i play nwn on nix
[09:26] <zenrox> WeedVende1,  yoo spelt it wrong
[09:26] <JayeAeotiv> nwn?
[09:26] <zenrox> neverwinter nights
[09:26] <WeedVende1> ok...
[09:26] <Fator_Dee> Savage is good too
[09:26] <JayeAeotiv> ahh
[09:26] <zenrox> its a win game that has a linux installer
[09:26] <JayeAeotiv> That's on nix?
[09:27] <WeedVende1> xmms is out
[09:27] <WeedVende1> but its not responding.
[09:27] <WeedVende1> I press ctrl - z
[09:27] <JayeAeotiv> I wonder if baulder's gate would work on nix.
[09:27] <WeedVende1> *closed terminal
[09:27] <Fator_Dee> bg2 works with cedega
[09:27] <JayeAeotiv> What's with always having to download sources and compile things with linux?
[09:27] <zenrox> WeedVende1,  ya press crtl =c that will break it and then you can restart it
[09:28] <zenrox> ctrl +c = sopt curent running program
[09:28] <JayeAeotiv> Don't be understand the concept of releasing things in a nice, concise, easy to run package for morons like me?
[09:28] <GoneBoB> WeedVende1: type 'bg'
[09:28] <zenrox> sopt=stop
[09:28] <GoneBoB> ctrl-z suspends the current task
[09:28] <GoneBoB> running 'bg' backgrounds the task
[09:28] <GoneBoB> so it still runs
[09:28] <GoneBoB> you can also run xmms &
[09:28] <GoneBoB> which will start it backgrounded
[09:29] <zenrox> so does putting & at the end of the program name
[09:29] <zenrox> then you can close the terminal
[09:29] <GoneBoB> yes, that's what I just said :)
[09:29] <zenrox> i just read that
[09:29] <GoneBoB> better off to exit the terminals also by typing 'exit'
[09:29] <GoneBoB> or pressing ctrl-d at a prompt
[09:30] <zenrox> thats a new one i dint know
[09:30] <Amaranth> JayeAeotiv: Err, you're in #ubuntu, the distro with the best package manager ever.
[09:30] <Emanuelez> hello *
[09:30] <Amaranth> if you don't exit the terminal with 'exit' then anything backgrounded from it will die with it
[09:30] <GoneBoB> running 'jobs' at a prompt tells you what backgrounded jobs you have running
[09:31] <GoneBoB> 'fg' foregrounds the task
[09:31] <WeedVende1> ok
[09:31] <WeedVende1> thanks
[09:31] <JayeAeotiv> christ
[09:31] <WeedVende1> ok...
[09:31] <JayeAeotiv> I don't have a cvs client.
[09:31] <WeedVende1> say I download a package from the net
[09:31] <JayeAeotiv> I hate cvs, it's the devil.
[09:31] <alka_trash> GoneBoB: say you want to put a job in the bg but don't want it to suspend
[09:31] <WeedVende1> ok
[09:32] <GoneBoB> alka_trash: ctrl-z suspends, bg backgrounds
[09:32] <Emanuelez> JayeAeotiv: what's wrong with cvs? :)
[09:32] <GoneBoB> so if you don't want it suspended, run bg
[09:32] <WeedVende1> I have a package on my desktop, I uncompress it.
[09:32] <WeedVende1> now what?
[09:33] <WeedVende1> what do I do in terminal to install a program without using the apt-get command?
[09:33] <alka_trash> GoneBoB: do you know if there is a way to put process in the background without suspending it?
[09:34] <GoneBoB> AlohaWolf: if you run it with & it's put straight into the background
[09:34] <GoneBoB> without being suspended
[09:34] <JayeAeotiv> Eman, well one... I don't want source code for junk.  two I hate fixing conflicts when I actually use a cvs.  three all the cvs clients are ugly.
[09:36] <WeedVende1> brb
[09:37] <JayeAeotiv> damn why can't I find binaries for anything
[09:38] <GoneBoB> like what?
[09:38] <JayeAeotiv> Grub
[09:38] <JayeAeotiv> windows hasn't been installed for more than 20 minutes and IE is already not responding
[09:38] <GoneBoB> you mean like apt-get install grub ?
[09:39] <GoneBoB> what are you trying to acheive
[09:39] <zenrox> GoneBoB, to fix his mbr
[09:39] <JayeAeotiv> If I could get into linux to do that I wouldn't need grub.
[09:39] <JayeAeotiv> Zenrox is right on the money.
[09:39] <GoneBoB> what you need to do is use the install CD
[09:39] <GoneBoB> to boot from
[09:39] <GoneBoB> into your current install
[09:39] <JayeAeotiv> But what do I do from there?
[09:40] <JayeAeotiv> it'll say boot:
[09:40] <JayeAeotiv> I don't know anything about these command prompts yet.
[09:40] <GoneBoB> try running linux root=/dev/hdaX
[09:40] <GoneBoB> where hdaX is your linux install partition
[09:40] <JayeAeotiv> ok
[09:40] <john_douglas> weirdest problem... my laptop is suppose to run at 1280x800 (it's wide screen) and xorg runs at 1280x800. The problem is that the 1280x800 is forced into a 1042x860 "window" :-/
[09:40] <JayeAeotiv> I'll be back and keep you updated.
[09:40] <sbdot> where should i go for questions about gnoppix?
[09:41] <sbdot> newbie questions at that
[09:41] <zenrox> #gnoppix
[09:41] <JayeAeotiv> I learned very quickly that going into the distro's irc channel helps.
[09:41] <AlohaWolf> anyone in here use Live Journal?
[09:41] <zenrox> there webpage
[09:41] <JayeAeotiv> aloha, I used to... but I decided I don't want people reading about me.
[09:41] <sbdot> i'm the only one in #gnoppix at the moment
[09:41] <WeedVende1> I use it, why?
[09:42] <JayeAeotiv> try #knoppix
[09:42] <AlohaWolf> JayeAeotiv, I never post much
[09:42] <zenrox> sbdot,  try there webpage
[09:42] <sbdot> their webpage points me to ubuntu's help page
[09:42] <AlohaWolf> I use it to keep track of everyone else
[09:42] <JayeAeotiv> see.
[09:42] <JayeAeotiv> lol
[09:42] <WeedVende1> eh
[09:42] <WeedVende1> I find it boring sometimes
[09:42] <JayeAeotiv> Well I'm rebooting and hopefully I'll be in linux this time.
[09:42] <sbdot> which does not answer my main q: how do I install gnoppix to my HD?
[09:42] <JayeAeotiv> God I am so going to get a linux book from the library tomorrow
[09:43] <JayeAeotiv> sbdot, is it a livecd?
[09:43] <sbdot> yep, livecd
[09:43] <sbdot> i'm running it now
[09:43] <JayeAeotiv> Get something that's designed for the hd.  I tried to get knoppix onto my hd but then decided to get something meant for it.
[09:43] <zenrox> sbdot,  ask that question in #knoppix
[09:44] <JayeAeotiv> i'll be back
[09:44] <sbdot> would it work the same way as in knoppix?
[09:44] <zenrox> technaly yes
[09:44] <zenrox> your just using gnome insted of kde
[09:45] <WeedVende1> what is knoppix?
[09:45] <Heisenberg> hi guys: running warthog, I have just updated my kernel image to 2.6.8.1-3-386, but no it refuses to start Xwindows. any ideas why?
[09:45] <zenrox> WeedVende1, knoppix is a linux repair cd and live cd of linux
[09:45] <zenrox> knoppix can fix broken windows boxxes as well as *nix
[09:46] <WeedVende1> i might use that if I still have windows...
[09:46] <zenrox> Heisenberg,  i cant help you
[09:46] <WeedVende1> eh.. one more thing before I go
[09:46] <Heisenberg> just weird...
[09:46] <zenrox> Heisenberg,  ya
[09:46] <zenrox> try reinstall xwindows
[09:47] <WeedVende1> I downloaded appolo
[09:47] <WeedVende1> or what ever its called
[09:47] <zenrox> lol
[09:47] <WeedVende1> when I run it, terminal is flooded with error
[09:47] <WeedVende1> and it said I need ftp or something like that
[09:47] <zenrox> what error
[09:47] <zenrox> oh
[09:47] <WeedVende1> I couldn't get the name of the program, it said that It couldn't find Icons.
[09:48] <zenrox> WeedVende1, do a sudo apt-get install ftp
[09:48] <zenrox> cant find icons ignoe that error
[09:48] <WeedVende1> thanks to spike, I already have the latest version
[09:48] <zenrox> thats a comon error and the program shold start
[09:48] <sbdot> it doesn't look like there are any live ppl in #knoppix
[09:49] <WeedVende1> whats the proper spelling again of appolo thingy?
[09:49] <zenrox> sbdot, its almost 1 am here so thare probly wont be many ppl on
[09:49] <zenrox> WeedVende1,  i cant help you
[09:49] <zenrox> WeedVende1, casue i just cant spell
[09:49] <WeedVende1> oh thats funny
[09:49] <JayeAeotiv> no dice
[09:50] <WeedVende1> is there a log file I can access?
[09:50] <JayeAeotiv> I tried root=hda1 root=/dev/hda1 root=dev/hda1
[09:50] <WeedVende1> jaye, whats ur problem?
[09:50] <sbdot> zenrox - have you tried installing gnoppix livecd to HD, or could you point me to a simple HOWTO. i'm not having much luck
[09:50] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv,  is that whare your ubuntu is installed
[09:50] <JayeAeotiv> yeah
[09:50] <sbdot> all i get when doing the search is responses from other ppl looking for instructions on how to do it
[09:50] <JayeAeotiv> 1st partition on that drive.
[09:51] <zenrox> sbdot no i hanve ever installed it and google for a howto
[09:51] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv,  it shold me linux root=/dev/hda1
[09:51] <sbdot> zenrox - i just mentioned that i have been googling for it
[09:51] <sbdot> never mind
[09:51] <JayeAeotiv> yeah
[09:51] <JayeAeotiv> I treid that one
[09:52] <JayeAeotiv> linux root=/dev/hda1  I tried many variations
[09:52] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv,  with the linux infount
[09:52] <JayeAeotiv> yes
[09:52] <zenrox> hmmm
[09:52] <JayeAeotiv> if my screwing around with the windows partition screwed up that other partition I'ma be so so pissed
[09:52] <WeedVende1> I g2g...
[09:52] <zenrox> might have
[09:53] <JayeAeotiv> ohh
[09:53] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv,  look in your windows partion manger and see if all the partions are thare
[09:53] <JayeAeotiv> windows has a partition manager?
[09:53] <zenrox> windows will still show linux partions but thay wont show up in your my computer
[09:53] <JayeAeotiv> I thought I had to boot off a disk and use fdisk.
[09:53] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv,  your running xp right
[09:54] <JayeAeotiv> 98SE
[09:54] <zenrox> oh
[09:54] <zenrox> thats why
[09:54] <JayeAeotiv> I can't afford XP
[09:54] <zenrox> xp has a built in partioner
[09:54] <zenrox> note : not ver powerfull tho
[09:55] <JayeAeotiv> If I boot off a live cd
[09:55] <JayeAeotiv> I could mount the drive
[09:55] <JayeAeotiv> and see if it still has stuff in it
[09:55] <zenrox> ya
[09:55] <JayeAeotiv> I'm off to do that.
[09:56] <WeedVende1> back again
[09:56] <WeedVende1> annoying ain't it?
[09:56] <zenrox> naw
[09:56] <WeedVende1> Where are all my program files located?
[09:57] <WeedVende1> or am I thinking too much into Windows?
[09:57] <zenrox> generlly in /usr/bin for the excutables and /usr/lib for the support files
[09:58] <zenrox> and /usr/share for the shaid files
[09:59] <JayeAeotiv> hi
[10:00] <JayeAeotiv> yeah it's definately hda1
[10:00] <JayeAeotiv> Knoppix mounted all of my drives and partitions automatically
[10:00] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv,  hmm it just whent be yond my help
[10:00] <JayeAeotiv> and there's definately files on the drive too
[10:01] <JayeAeotiv> if it were broken... it probably wouldn't mount.  right?
[10:01] <JayeAeotiv> or be browseable
[10:01] <WeedVende1> zenrox: apollon
[10:01] <JayeAeotiv> Can I instal grub from the livecd I wonder.
[10:01] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv,  ya but your mbr is fucked
[10:01] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv,  no
[10:01] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv,  you might but i dont know how
[10:01] <WeedVende1> looks like I need gift
[10:02] <JayeAeotiv> How is my mbr fucked?
[10:02] <JayeAeotiv> I don't understand.
[10:02] <WeedVende1> gIFT
[10:02] <zenrox> win over writed the mbr with its own start up soft
[10:02] <JayeAeotiv> can't I overwrite it again?
[10:02] <WeedVende1> what are you trying to do?
[10:02] <zenrox> erasing your grub boot loader
[10:03] <JayeAeotiv> Get a boot loader back
[10:03] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv, thats why you need to reinstall grub
[10:03] <JayeAeotiv> right
[10:03] <JayeAeotiv> So, how could I do that from a live cd?
[10:03] <JayeAeotiv> or from windows
[10:03] <WeedVende1> root@Jiraiya:/home/jiraiya # ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 6306, errno = 0
[10:04] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv,  dont know
[10:04] <zenrox> like i said JayeAeotiv  its beyond my help
[10:04] <JayeAeotiv> ok
[10:06] <zenrox> welp i am off to bed
[10:07] <zenrox> night all
[10:07] <JayeAeotiv> does the boot have to be from the ubuntu cd?
[10:07] <JayeAeotiv> where I would type linux root=whatever
[10:07] <WeedVende1> good night and thanks
[10:13] <JayeAeotiv> I'm in a grub console at the moment.
[10:13] <JayeAeotiv> but I think it ran from the cd
[10:21] <john_douglas> Hi, I've got a problem with my laptop, the WXGA screen doesn't display in widescreen. About 1/3 of the screen is black :-/ It's the Compaq R3240CA
[10:43] <e-Jah> hi
[10:51] <dud> hmm, why cant grip read my cdrom?
[10:51] <dud> i have two... i dont think it can seperate between them
[10:51] <dud> sound juicer can, but that cant find my mp3 encoders
[10:51] <dud> nor does it have quality settings
[10:52] <dud> you can set the cdrom mount point in grip, but im not sure i do it correctly
[10:52] <dud> as somehow, 'ls /' shows it as /cdrom
[10:52] <dud> but its called /cdrom0 and /cdrom1 really i think
[10:52] <dud> but none of that works in grip...
[10:53] <CiSnEr0s> Hi! everybody!, anyone speak spanish ?
[10:54] <crimsun> CiSnEr0s: #ubuntu-es
[10:54] <CiSnEr0s> sorry... because my english it's so bad... very very bad :D
[10:54] <CiSnEr0s> ok.. thanks!
[10:56] <dud> crimsun, you wouldnt happen to have any ideas about this whole grip issue?
[10:56] <crimsun> give me a sec to scroll up; I've had this buffer detached
[11:00] <dud> crimsun, it seems that ripperx does the job
[11:00] <dud> so many different applications for *nix
[11:01] <dud> sometimes even the most experienced user can get a headache from it
[11:01] <crimsun> dud: /media/cdrom0 or /media/cdrom1 ?
[11:02] <dud> lets see
[11:02] <dud> that might be it
[11:04] <dud> nope
[11:04] <dud> let me try another disc
[11:04] <dud> this prolly over complexifies things, being a dual data/audio cd
[11:05] <dud> all this cdrom stuff in linux has always been such a bother for me
[11:06] <dud> but its not so bad on ubuntu, ill admit
[11:06] <dud> but it sometimes happen that eject doesnt work
[11:06] <dud> usually when another application umounts it, and nautilus cant seem to catch that
[11:08] <dud> dud@shadowplay:~ $ mount /cdrom
[11:08] <dud> dud@shadowplay:~ $ eject
[11:08] <dud> eject: unable to eject, last error: Ugyldig argument
[11:08] <crimsun> dud: what do /dev/cdrom* point to?
[11:08] <dud> ugyldig argument = invalud argument
[11:09] <dud> invalid even
[11:11] <dud> um, crimsun, there is no such file
[11:11] <dud> only hdc and hdd
[11:11] <crimsun> interesting
[11:11] <crimsun> you could use /dev/hdc and/or /dev/hdd
[11:12] <dud> but then again, fstab seems to be sane
[11:12] <dud> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[11:12] <dud> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[11:12] <e-Jah> re
[11:12] <dud> looking good there
[11:12] <dud> btw, is it *really* nessesary for ubuntu to create like 100 ptty nodes and 100 tty nodes?
[11:12] <dud> what sort of massive grade scaling is that?
[11:13] <Friczy> Josephus: hi :)
[11:13] <Josephus> yo Friczy
[11:13] <Josephus> wanna help me? :)
[11:13] <crimsun> dud: depends on the number defined in-kernel
[11:13] <Friczy> Josephus: to you? never :D
[11:13] <dud> ah, wonderful /dev/hdc worked :D
[11:13] <crimsun> (in the source, modifiable in kernel config)
[11:13] <dud> thanks a bunch
[11:13] <dud> crimsun, i see
[11:13] <crimsun> np
[11:14] <crimsun> now I'm off to bed.
[11:14] <Josephus> so
[11:14] <Josephus> my problem is with cpu freq scaling
[11:14] <Josephus> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
[11:14] <Josephus> i got only 600000khz for the minimum
[11:15] <Josephus> how can i make it smaller?
[11:15] <Josephus> echo in to it does not work
[11:15] <Josephus> (permission error)
[11:16] <dud> im not very sure if its wise to echo something into the /sys/* stuff
[11:16] <Josephus> any other way?
[11:17] <dud> i dunno, ive never owned a laptop myself
[11:17] <dud> isnt there any options under the System stuff on your gnome panel?
[11:22] <Josephus> dud: guess not
[11:42] <dud> anyone know how video capture/tv cards are supported on linux?
[11:42] <mojo> ne1 xperienced w/ sata on nvidia nforce3?
[11:43] <mojo> dud: not sure but believe some happauge r working... check hardware on mythtv, that is where i think i saw some nfo
[11:44] <mojo> dud: mythtv is a tivo-like app in linux
[11:45] <jims> hi
[11:46] <stuNNed> anyone using gnomad2 on unstable?
[11:48] <Frafraxy> hi all
[11:48] <mojo> hi frafraxy
[11:49] <Frafraxy> who can give me a good source.list for apt-get?
[11:49] <HcE> Frafraxy: read the documentation?
[11:49] <HcE> depends on what you need
[11:49] <Frafraxy> or paste it in #flood
[11:50] <Frafraxy> I would like a stable sources
[11:51] <Frafraxy> can you help me?
[11:53] <mojo> Hi.  I'm runnint Ubuntu on AMD64/nForce3 and having problems with SATA.  Is this a good place to look for help, or is there an nforce or sata channel of some sort?
[11:55] <dud> mojo, will do
[11:55] <mojo> dud: good luck... i'm sure you'll find sumthin there
[11:56] <Frafraxy> can you give me some repository?
[11:57] <stuNNed> what's a good ftp client for ubuntu?
[11:57] <Frafraxy> gftp
[11:58] <stuNNed> that supports ssl...
[11:59] <mojo> frafraxy: sorry, all i have are the default repositories in synaptic/apt.  I am still pretty new to apt, coming from a previous mandrake install
[12:01] <housetier> Frafraxy you can enable universe or so with synaptic
[12:01] <housetier> there is no need to touch sources.list by hand
[12:02] <mojo> stuNNed: gftp supposedly supports SSL (TLS1) encryption on both command and data
[12:02] <housetier> unless,of course, you want to add a non-ubuntu repository; which might cause problems later, so you ought to have a good reason
[12:02] <mojo> stunned: sorry, that was lftp, not gftp... oops
[12:03] <ulisse> hi channel!
[12:03] <mojo> stunned: try this thread... http://www.linuxforum.com/forums/index.php?s=0b4ffe127ff61aadad0e54f628c7a65e&showtopic=120956&st=0&#entry519484
[12:03] <ulisse> does anyone knows how to edit the gnome-menu in hoary?
[12:05] <stuNNed> mojo, thanks
[12:07] <mojo> stunned: np
[12:08] <stuNNed> mojo, any idea why when 'ls' the ftp server hangs?  it's windows ftp server
[12:09] <mojo> stunned: sorry, no.  i haven't played w/ ftp servers on windows much, though i have used clients.  is the server yours?
[12:10] <stuNNed> sure isn't
[12:10] <mojo> stunned: well, you have limited ability to troubleshoot if the box ain't under your control or supervision.  (by yours i didn't mean you but under your administrative control, he he)
[12:10] <stuNNed> hehe :)
[12:11] <ulisse> mojo, stuNNed, help me please!
[12:11] <mojo> stunned: I would ask q's like... do other operations against that ftp server work, like gets to known targets?  is the ls a problem only sometimes or all the time?  is it for just some parts of the directory tree?  what do you know about the server, is it a nt server, win2k server, or some '95-ish box... etc...
[12:12] <mojo> ulisse:  help me first!
[12:12] <dud> ffs, this cdrom is giving me a headache
[12:13] <dud> and not to mention linus
[12:13] <mojo> good thing i use the copyleft world... whew!
[12:14] <Prasatko> hello, can somebody help me. I don't have CDROM, I have copied the whole ubuntu cd to HDD (to /mnt/c/u directory) how do I add this source to apt/sources.list? is it possible?
[12:15] <fahad> hello
[12:15] <mojo> prasatko:  um, publish the directory with apache and point to yourself (lol)
[12:15] <mojo> prasatko:  honestly i don't have your answer...
[12:15] <Prasatko> mojo: wow, I'll try it
[12:16] <dud> Prasatko
[12:16] <dud> deb file:/home/jason/debian stable main contrib non-free
[12:16] <mojo> prasatko:  okay well... you might ask around some more... someone else surely knows a saner way to go about it.
[12:16] <fahad> is the packages in apt- , are realsed by ubuntu community or debian one, i mean is it updating packages daily ?
[12:16] <dud> something in that manner ok Prasatko ?
[12:16] <NotaClue> will ubuntu run on a Dell Dimension L?  .. its got those option ROM thingies
[12:17] <Prasatko> dud: thanx, I will try this too
[12:19] <fahad> ?
[12:22] <stuNNed> mojo, i'm sorry
[12:22] <fahad> is the packages in apt- , are realsed by ubuntu community or debian one, i mean is it updating packages daily ?
[12:22] <stuNNed> mojo, win2k3 server, filezilla works if in passive mode with tls enabled
[12:23] <Prasatko> dud: thanx, it worked :)
[12:24] <stuNNed> mojo, filezille being an open source win32 ftp client
[12:27] <mojo> stunned: don't be sorry.  i am not sure if i can help u much.  i was just thinking that the ftpd on the win2k box probably has a user account associatad with it on win2k, and it may be a permission issue there.  or some other issue with access to that partition/share/directory/whatever it is on the win2k end
[12:28] <mojo> stunned: if some parts of the tree ls and others cause the crash, or it crashes at a certain point, then i would have the win2k box admin look at the dir from the win2k point of view and check that ftpd's user acct against it
[12:29] <mojo> stunned: but if any ls just hangs the ftpd immediately, then i don't know what to suggest
[12:29] <stuNNed> mojo, it's some crappy ftp server for windows i'm thinking, filezilla in win32 works fine
[12:30] <mojo> stunned: whose box is it anyway?
[12:30] <stuNNed> mojo, a friend of mine
[12:31] <mojo> stunned: he just tryin to set this up?  if he's got freedom, he could seek out and test some other ftp daemons
[12:31] <stuNNed> mojo, i'm getting `ls' at 0 [Making data connection...]  with lftp...
[12:31] <mojo> stunned: it still could be a perms issue with the user account that the ftpd is using.  that would be my first gut instinct
[12:31] <stuNNed> mojo, so he needs to open ports for ftp-data?
[12:32] <lerio> hi there. how do i install a display package for gdesklets?
[12:32] <mojo> stunned: is he testing across a firewall or router/bridge?  or is he testing on the local net?
[12:33] <stuNNed> testing over internet across firewall/router
[12:33] <biezt> what are the minimum reqs for ubuntu on pentiums ?
[12:34] <mojo> stunned: well one good idea for narrowing down is to test locally on the same side of his dmz or whatever, besides just looking into the routers and firewalls port setups
[12:34] <stuNNed> mojo, yes, locally it worked with filezilla ftp client in windows
[12:35] <mojo> stunned: okay so filezilla is the client that tests okay locally.  you don't know what his ftpd on the win2k box is then?
[12:35] <mojo> stunned: if fzilla works local but not over internet, then ports is a real good theory
[12:35] <stuNNed> mojo, i forget what the ftpd is, sure-ftpd or something?
[12:36] <mojo> stunned: i am not sure if the results of ls come thru command or data channels.  i am no ftp guru
[12:36] <stuNNed> mojo, Serv-U ftpd
[12:37] <digitus> when i mount my fat32 (win) partition, dirs a shown as files of unkown type and i cant access them..
[12:37] <mojo> stunned: well it may be worth finding out in the long run.  but in the short run, knowing that it all works on the local lan means that the config and perms on the win2k box are probably okay.  your idea with the ports being open across the routers/firewalls is a valid theory
[12:38] <stuNNed> mojo, ok then, i think ftp-data needs to be open as well as the ftpd port
[12:39] <mojo> now this ftp client is failing from (i suppose) your home (or his) across the internet to the win2k/serv-u ftpd box.  does the client work to other sites?  just to validate that the client end of this test works to other servers/locations
[12:39] <stuNNed> mojo, i don't really care about accessing it, just helped him set it up and don't have a windows box handy to test filezilla with
[12:39] <biezt> can anyone help me plz !!
[12:39] <lerio> where can i find guides on how to install displays & sensors for gedsklets?
[12:40] <biezt> i know nothing about linux, is ubuntu good to start with ?
[12:40] <mojo> biezt: i could say as good as any.  I am new to ubuntu, having tried mandrake before.
[12:41] <biezt> and can it run on a p2 ?
[12:41] <mojo> biezt:  Mandrake was not to shabby a place to start for beginning.  it has good hardware detection
[12:41] <mojo> biezt:  i am not up on hardware requirements.  but all the major distros should tell you on their home page or a link off the home page
[12:42] <mojo> biezt:  i like ubuntu but for some stuff like patent-entangled media codecs (like MP3 or MPEG), Ubuntu doesn't install them as they are non-free.  You can get them, but you have to do a little extra work on your own.  Same for java and flash in the browers.
[12:43] <biezt> it's gonna be a test server :P
[12:44] <biezt> so i can make 1 if i'm a student
[12:44] <mojo> stunned: good luck w/your friend and his ftp server.  don't kow if i can offer much more to suggest
[12:44] <stuNNed> mojo, thanks alot though!
[12:44] <stuNNed> mojo, appreciate your help! :D
[12:44] <mojo> stunned: your welcome.  i'll send ya the good luck wish vibe through the ether
[12:45] <mojo> :D
[12:45] <mojo> biezt:  i personally don't care what you do with codecs... all this patent/copyright stuff stifles creativity anyway, imho.
[12:47] <mojo> biezt: the point i wanted to make was that if you wanted to use the machine for common desktop use, which tends to include playing videos, surfin the web to sites with flash/shockwave content, and listening to MP3 music... well, you have to get your hands a little dirty to get that working in Ubuntu.  Ubuntu strictly follows the free (as in freedom) philosopy with the software they package and enable by default.  But they also believe in yo
[12:47] <mojo> ur freedom too, including freedom to add "non-free" software but you gotta do it yourself.
[12:48] <mojo> biezt: but if you just want to play with it as a server and don't care about a desktop use or media, then it is a fine choice
[12:49] <mojo> biezt: it may even help instill good admin practices, since it disables root login by default forcing you to use 'sudo' (super-user do) from a user account to do administrative tasks
[12:50] <mojo> biezt: ubuntu also parred down the package list so you don't wind up with sixteen editors, three web browsers, and nine whatchamajiggies on the default install.
[12:51] <mojo> biezt: you can still install what ya like, but the initial system is fairly clean
[12:52] <wellhungjuan> aye
[12:52] <wellhungjuan> i should be called justin
[12:53] <mojo> sry wellhungjuan...  the name deserves needling
[12:53] <stuNNed> mojo, looking at things, it looks like he needs to open ftp-data port, is this a security hazard?
[12:53] <wellhungjuan> :-)
[12:54] <mojo> stunned: depends on how you look at it.  lost of public ftp servers exist on the net.  best bet would be to strictly route traffic across the firewalls/routers to that one machine only, and to set up that ftp daemon (server) with secure connections and a strict user list, disallowing anonymous connections.
[12:55] <stuNNed> ok, thanks, yes, i think anonymous is disabled.
[12:55] <mojo> stunned: otherwise, limit what the ftp server exposes.  if it is meant to allow uploads, restrict them to a specified upload directory and implement some sort of quarrantine until virus check and all can be done
[12:55] <stuNNed> ok! :D
[12:55] <mojo> stunned: right on.
[12:56] <mojo> now if i could only find help with my SATA problems <snif!>
[12:58] <mojo> stunned: oh yeah... get that guy to keep up on security notices regarding his ftp server software so he stays on top of exploits and vulnerabilities
[12:59] <lurchentsafter> got a problem with my bew box: it only supports usb keyboards. grub recognises the kbd but the installer fails so that i am NOT able to select my language. any ideas?
[01:02] <mupe> why doesn't ubuntu execute anything that isn't in /usr/something?
[01:04] <dud> shouldnt it be possible to exclude files with apt-get?
[01:04] <dud> in the sources.list or such?
[01:05] <Friczy> exclude files? What would you like to do exactly?
[01:06] <dud> exclude it from installing liblame0 and libmp3lame0
[01:06] <dud> as they are bugged in hoary
[01:06] <FallenHitokiri> which pakage do I have to install to run make-kpkg ?
[01:06] <dud> btw, isnt someone going to fix these bugged pacakges
[01:06] <mojo> mupe: if you're trying to execuete something somewhere else, check to be sure it's set to executable.  If it still won't execute, it may not be on the search path and need to be explicityly executed (i.e. prepending "./" to configure for executing a confugre in the current directory)
[01:07] <dud> i know its a development branch hoary, but its been a known issue for quite some time now
[01:09] <Friczy> dud: you mean you want to hold the old package?
[01:10] <lurchentsafter> FallenHitokiri, IIRC kernel-package
[01:10] <IRCMonkey> hey
[01:10] <IRCMonkey> anyone here?
[01:10] <dud> Friczy, i dont know what i wanted, i just want liblame0 to work heh
[01:10] <mupe> mojo, sorry, I don't completely understand your advice
[01:10] <FallenHitokiri> lurchentsafter, jup I install it atm ;)
[01:11] <IRCMonkey> hey, how do you get into comandline mode... like init 3
[01:11] <Friczy> dud: try: echo '<packagename> hold' | dpkg --set-selections
[01:11] <IRCMonkey> or tty....
[01:11] <Friczy> in this case this package will not be upgraded
[01:12] <dud> Friczy, got nothing
[01:12] <mojo> mupe: um, what do you mena by not executing anything not in /user/something?  what are you trying to execute?  are you new to linux?
[01:12] <Friczy> dud: yes, nothing happens of course
[01:12] <Friczy> dud: but in next upgrade this package will remain as installed and not will be upgraded
[01:12] <dud> oh, okay
[01:12] <dud> thanks
[01:13] <mojo> mupe: to execute a binary or script, the file has to have it's 'executable' bit set
[01:13] <mupe> yes, it is
[01:13] <Frafraxy> hi
[01:14] <dud> Friczy, that seems to have made the matters worse
[01:14] <Friczy> dud: why?
[01:14] <Frafraxy> for activate bluetooth?
[01:14] <mojo> mupe: also, if you try to execute something by name, like "configure", for instance, the shell won't necessarily just execute it just 'cuz you're in that directory.  it will seart the executable path.  You have to prepend "./" like "./configure" to tell it to exectue out of the current directory.
[01:14] <dud> now everything that depends on liblame0 gives this message in apt-get
[01:14] <Friczy> dud: yes.
[01:14] <dud> libmyth-0.16: Depends on: liblame0 (>= 3.96.1-1) but wont be installed
[01:15] <Friczy> if it depends on a specific version, it can't be installed.
[01:15] <mupe> oh thanks got it
[01:15] <Frafraxy> what i must to write?
[01:15] <mojo> mupe: cool
[01:15] <dud> Version: 3.96.1-1
[01:15] <dud> thats the version apt-cache show gives
[01:15] <dud> clearly something is broken
[01:15] <Friczy> yes. apt-get show shows the available version.
[01:16] <dud> this stuff is giving me a headache
[01:16] <Friczy> if you want to install the new version, just change the hold to install and give the previous command again
[01:16] <Friczy> so echo '<packagename> install' | dpkg --set-selections will make it upgrade-able again
[01:17] <dud> yeah, but the problem is, that the package cant be installed'
[01:17] <xevil> dud have you tried installing liblame0 first?  Sometimes apt gets bogged down with deps
[01:17] <dud> as said on http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7296.html
[01:17] <dud> for example
[01:18] <dud> and the mailinglist has a few entries about the bug too i believe
[01:18] <Friczy> dud: do you use hoary or warty?
[01:18] <dud> hoary
[01:18] <Friczy> using a testing version has always risks
[01:18] <dud> i know i know
[01:19] <mupe> mojo another solution: add ./ to PATH
[01:19] <dud> but being *in development*, its exactly these sort of things that should be straighten out before it reaches stable
[01:19] <Friczy> if dependency allows you can try get these packages from warty perhaps
[01:19] <mojo> just a quick q: is upgrade from warty to hoary a simple apt-get on some upgrade package?
[01:19] <Friczy> mojo: you should set hoary in sources.list then apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:20] <Frafraxy> for activate bluetooth in ubuntu, what should i do?
[01:20] <mojo> friczy: thanks
[01:20] <mojo> friczy: would i want to remove the warty entries, btw?
[01:20] <Friczy> mojo: not necesserily. as you wish.
[01:20] <Frafraxy> ?
[01:20] <mojo> friczy: or not worry 'bout that 'till after upgrade
[01:21] <mojo> friczy: thanks again.
[01:21] <Friczy> You can delete or comment out or leave it as is.
[01:21] <Friczy> but if you leave it in, apt-get update will last longer
[01:21] <Friczy> but not much longer :)
[01:21] <Frafraxy> are you there?
[01:21] <Friczy> Frafraxy: yes, but perhaps nobody knows the answer
[01:22] <Frafraxy> ok
[01:22] <Friczy> for ex. I never used BT on PC
[01:23] <Frafraxy> a've alway used /sbin/hciconfig hci0 up
[01:23] <Frafraxy> but it doesn't work
[01:24] <CraHan_> does anyone know what the status is on nautilus-cd-burner in hoary?
[01:24] <CraHan_> is it part of nautilus-extensions now?
[01:33] <TUXedo> hi again
[01:33] <TUXedo> i have a problem with my locale
[01:34] <TUXedo> it is set to "de", but all programs say the locale doesn't exist and that the default locale can't be found
[01:34] <Friczy> TUXedo: dpkg-reconfigure locales and make sure de is selected.
[01:35] <TUXedo> how does that work exactly (i know, i'm bad... ;))?
[01:36] <Friczy> TUXedo: on a terminal type sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[01:36] <TUXedo> ok
[01:37] <WeedVender> is anyone here?
[01:37] <TUXedo> it says LC_ALL is unset
[01:38] <ICU> WeedVender, good question to start with ... on a 272 peon channel...
[01:39] <WeedVender> but how many have really important questions!?
[01:39] <ACIDnet> I HATE COURSEWORK!!!!!#
[01:39] <WeedVender> ?
[01:39] <ICU> WeedVender, afaik only TUXedo stated a question :)
[01:39] <WeedVender> well then here goes mine.
[01:40] <WeedVender> IIm trying to run Apollon and it tries to load KDE
[01:40] <WeedVender> I don't have KDE installed
[01:41] <WeedVender> gives me conflicts with QlistView
[01:41] <WeedVender> also the program doesn't connect.
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[01:43] <ACIDnet> i cant do this coursework :(
[01:44] <TUXedo> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[01:44] <WeedVender> hello da
[01:44] <TUXedo> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[01:44] <TUXedo> thats the message i get when starting or installing many programs
[01:45] <Friczy> TUXedo: did you type the command as root (or with sudo)?
[01:45] <TUXedo> yes, and i get following output
[01:46] <Friczy> hmm. try apt-get install locales
[01:46] <TUXedo> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[01:46] <TUXedo> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[01:46] <TUXedo>         LANGUAGE = "en_GB",
[01:46] <TUXedo>         LC_ALL = "en",
[01:46] <TUXedo>         LC_MESSAGES = "en_US",
[01:46] <TUXedo>         LANG = "en_GB"
[01:46] <TUXedo>     are supported and installed on your system.
[01:46] <TUXedo> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[01:46] <TUXedo> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[01:46] <TUXedo> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[01:46] <TUXedo> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[01:46] <TUXedo> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed
[01:46] <TUXedo> ill try
[01:47] <TUXedo> apt-get doesnt wanna run for the same reason
[01:48] <housetier> TUXedo whats the error message from apt-get?
[01:48] <TUXedo> almost the same
[01:48] <Friczy> TUXedo: try setting LANG to en_GB
[01:48] <TUXedo> ok
[01:49] <Friczy> though as I see it will not solve this :(
[01:50] <TUXedo> same problem with following settings
[01:50] <TUXedo>         LANGUAGE = "en_GB",
[01:50] <TUXedo>         LC_ALL = "en",
[01:50] <TUXedo>         LC_MESSAGES = "en_GB",
[01:50] <TUXedo>         LANG = "en_GB"
[01:50] <TUXedo> i may have to reinstall
[01:52] <TUXedo> i think a reinstall will bei the simplest
[01:52] <mojo> anyone familiar with sata drives on linux about?
[01:53] <TUXedo> anyway thank you for your help guys
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> hi. anyone know how to install knoppix 3.7 to hard disk ? (plese dont refer me to #knoppix.)
[01:53] <housetier> mojo I have a little experience with promise sata drivers
[01:53] <TUXedo> i tink i will have to come ere more often...
[01:53] <TUXedo> bye
[01:54] <mojo> housetier:  cool.  i have nvida nforce3 (nv_sata).  prob is that fdisk / cfdisk / qparted / ubuntu installer all "see" the drive (/dev/sda) but also all error out when trying to write a partition table to it.
[01:55] <lerio> hi! what is the command to install .bin scripts for gdesklets sensors?
[01:55] <housetier> da_bon_bon http://download.linuxtag.org/knoppix/KNOPPIX-FAQ-EN.txt
[01:55] <housetier> mojo do you have a driver for the sata controller?
[01:57] <mojo> not a separate one.  dmesg shows a bunch of lines like "nv_sata: Primary device added" followed by a "removed", then the same for Secondary... lists several lines like this repeating.
[01:58] <mojo> so i presume that nv_sata is my sata driver?
[01:58] <mojo> My system is more or less as Warty install disk (amd64) created it.
[02:00] <zaeem> hi guys
[02:00] <zaeem> hi bob2
[02:00] <zaeem> anybody tried compiling beagle on hoary?
[02:02] <zaeem> yoho
[02:02] <zaeem> any one??
[02:02] <mojo> housetier: any notions on how to troubleshoot this?
[02:03] <mojo> zaeem ur not alone.. but i don't even know what beagle is, sorry
[02:03] <zaeem> oh
[02:03] <zaeem> mojo: do you know about this darn no: command not found..
[02:03] <zaeem> i have exhausted google search...
[02:03] <zaeem> couldnot dig out a solution
[02:04] <mojo> housetier: i have searched the internet but have no joy.  if you don't have a good idea on how to go about troubleshooting, you know any good resources or even other irc channels i can try for help?  even direction to search would be a boon.  thx.
[02:05] <mojo> zaeem i don't understand your question
[02:06] <zaeem> mojo: i am following the beagle howto in the ubuntu wiki...when i execute make && make installl ... it says after some time no: command not found..
[02:06] <zaeem> apparently its looking for some no command which obviously doesnt exist..
[02:06] <zaeem> i searched the net and found out that it was due to gettext but no solution for that is given.
[02:07] <zaeem> i cant remove gettext as it breaks many other dep
[02:07] <mojo> sorry i don't think i'll be of much help - i have a long troubleshooting career but not with linux.  here i am still pretty n00bish
[02:08] <zaeem> not a problem..
[02:08] <zaeem> pretty nice of you to listen to it..atleast you will remember me when you encounter this yourself :)
[02:08] <zaeem> c ya
[02:08] <zaeem> take care mate
[02:08] <mojo> good luck though.  I myself am beating my head against the wall over a SATA drive that won't partition
[02:12] <thoreauputic> ppc ubuntu questions: will ubuntu run well on an iBook G4 1.2ghz with 256MB RAM? Has anyone here dual booted Ubuntu with OS X?
[02:12] <GoneBoB> thoreauputic: it should boot and be fine
[02:12] <GoneBoB> 512mb ram is preferable though
[02:12] <thoreauputic> that was my conclusion, too
[02:13] <thoreauputic> GoneBoB: easy to dual boot?
[02:13] <GoneBoB> yeah it should be fine
[02:13] <GoneBoB> I haven't done it personally
[02:13] <GoneBoB> but I know people who have without issue
[02:13] <housetier> mojo I can't help you with that problem I fear
[02:13] <thoreauputic> GoneBoB: are you using a Mac?
[02:16] <mojo> housetier: it's okay.  i'll keep a searchin...
[02:16] <mojo> housetier: i'll get lucky some time i hope. otherwise it's a 250Gb paperweight for me (sigh)
[02:17] <housetier> when I was dealing with the promis, I "only" had to put it in the ramdisk for the kernel, so it could be loaded very early
[02:18] <mojo> i am thinking that the driver is there but it may be having problems.  still learning how to even know what my system has on it.
[02:19] <paulproteus> thoreauputic: I run Ubuntu primarily on my iBook 1Ghz 256MiB RAM.
[02:19] <mojo> i think support is via libata but am not sure.  nv_sata may be a kernel module for all i know at this point
[02:19] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: aha! And does it run well with that RAM?
[02:20] <housetier> mojo are you sure its the right module and it does not need further parameters or so
[02:20] <mojo> but interesting thing is all the repeated messages it spits out with dmesg
[02:20] <mojo> oh it may.  ubuntu install set it up.  at first i didn't put any partitions on the drive, and was gonna deal with that after getting up n running.
[02:21] <mojo> but after pulling my hair out i tried the installer again and it can't deal with the drive either.  using a warty amd64 install image.
[02:21] <grepper> hi all
[02:21] <housetier> moin grepper
[02:21] <grepper> anyone know how to disable nautilus from poping up everytime I mount a drive from terminal ?
[02:22] <grepper> hi housetier
[02:22] <grepper> its annoying as I don't use a filemanager much if at all, and it steals focus which is even worse :P
[02:22] <mojo> well anyway housetier thx for the offer.  i will takle the sata drive again after some sleep.
[02:23] <mojo> peace
[02:29] <marjorie> lo, i have set up wireless with wpa supplicant in ubuntu, what is the best way to automate it so i dont have to run the commands on start up?
[02:32] <thoreauputic> marjorie: usually to start something on boot you would use update-rc.d , or edit the scripts in /etc/init.d
[02:33] <marjorie> cool ok, and i can just use the bash commands in there?
[02:33] <thoreauputic> you might be able to hack it by adding hte command to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh , but it isn't the recommended method
[02:34] <marjorie> update-rc.d is a program?
[02:34] <thoreauputic> marjorie: I think running update-rc.d as root would be the first try
[02:34] <thoreauputic> yes
[02:34] <marjorie> k, all im doing when i start is useing ifconfig to bring intif up, then wpa to do that, then dhclient
[02:35] <marjorie> where is update-rc.d?
[02:35] <thoreauputic> well, if you want to try it, you can add the commands to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[02:36] <thoreauputic>  /usr/sbin/update-rc.d
[02:36] <marjorie> in my path then...
[02:36] <thoreauputic> marjorie: but I'm on Debian here so I don't know if it's included in Ubuntu
[02:37] <marjorie> i dont think it is...
[02:37] <thoreauputic> which update-rc.d should tell you, or `type update-rc.d `
[02:37] <paulproteus> thoreauputic: I think I wish I had more RAM.  I'm not quite sure.
[02:37] <paulproteus> Maybe I just wish my disk speed were faster.
[02:38] <thoreauputic> marjorie: hmm... have a look at apt-cache show rcconf  - I think that will do the job too
[02:38] <marjorie> thoreauputic: how can i get locate working in ubuntu, it says there is no db even if i have run updatedb
[02:39] <thoreauputic> marjorie: you ran updatedb as root?
[02:39] <marjorie> yup
[02:39] <thoreauputic> weird
[02:39] <marjorie> nothing seems to happen tho
[02:39] <marjorie> warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[02:39] <marjorie> just wondering how i can create it
[02:39] <thoreauputic> marjorie: that's very odd
[02:40] <thoreauputic> running updatedb as root should "just work" (TM)
[02:40] <marjorie> k i have apted update-rc...
[02:41] <marjorie> now im scared to reboot :)
[02:41] <thoreauputic> marjorie: OK - I think the man page should tell you what you need to know, but I confess I'm lazy and just throw stuff into bootmisc.sh
[02:42] <ftwig> apt is having a problem installing /linux-image-2.6.9-1-386_2.6.9-10_i386.deb on Horay - is this a known problem?
[02:42] <marjorie> where as update-rc is more refined beacuse...?
[02:43] <marjorie> this is the thing that confuses me the most, so many different ways to do the same thing
[02:43] <marjorie> :)
[02:43] <thoreauputic> marjorie: heh "because it's the Debian Way"
[02:43] <marjorie> tis my fav...
[02:43] <housetier> ftwig which problem would that be?
[02:44] <marjorie> ok so update.rc usage seems simple enough, but it seems its writeing to something?
[02:44] <thoreauputic> marjorie: I believe the bootmisc hack can cause issues with upgrades or something
[02:44] <vegai> argh
[02:44] <vegai> where does the update-grub script derive the hard drive devices from?=!
[02:44] <thoreauputic> of course, it would update by rewriting your init.d scripts
[02:44] <marjorie> ahhhh
[02:44] <vegai> it keeps thinking my HD is /dev/hda4
[02:45] <grepper> marjorie, I haven't followed this discussion, but you know you can add wireless commands to /etc/network/interfaces ?
[02:45] <marjorie> yeah ive done that
[02:45] <marjorie> just need to automate so everything is cool after boot
[02:45] <thoreauputic> aha - grepper's way is probably simpler and easier
[02:46] <grepper> marjorie, "man wireless" will give examples of commands you can use I think
[02:46] <grepper> use in the interface file thatis
[02:46] <marjorie> im clued up on all the commands and things were just debateing/ museing over whats the best way to start them up
[02:46] <marjorie> :)
[02:47] <thoreauputic> marjorie: hehe... make an icon linked to a script and click on it ? *grin*
[02:47] <marjorie> i love the fact that u can use the "scan" command in linux
[02:48] <grepper> personally I would use interfaces file, as that is a network config file
[02:48] <marjorie> thoreauputic: each extra one helps me feel more stupid :)
[02:48] <marjorie> grepper: k will do
[02:48] <thoreauputic> marjorie: I don't get the impression you're stupid - you seem pretty clued from here :)
[02:49] <marjorie> just on a very steep learning curb
[02:49] <marjorie> about a month new to linux but im v happy so far :)
[02:49] <grepper> I find it strange that I can't find anything on google about this issue with nautilus interupting a terminal session with a window popping up
[02:50] <marjorie> hey i have had that!#
[02:50] <grepper> I would have thought there would be a lot of terminal users who would be wondering how to change this behavior
[02:50] <marjorie> u get wierd session errors if u start up nautilus from console
[02:51] <grepper> marjorie, well, the question was how to stop it
[02:51] <marjorie> ill tell u when i know :)
[02:51] <marjorie> hehhe
[02:52] <grepper> :)
[02:52] <marjorie> but the first step is breaking it
[02:52] <thoreauputic> grepper: it only does this occasionally, right?
[02:52] <grepper> thoreauputic, everytime I mount a disk
[02:53] <grepper> I chroot to do something, and up it pops and steals focus
[02:53] <grepper> well, when I mount, not chroot
[02:54] <thoreauputic> grepper: just guessing really, but is it something to do with "automounting", or the way /etc/fstab is set up?
[02:54] <ftwig> housetier:Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:54] <ftwig>  /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.9-1-386_2.6.9-10_i386.deb
[02:54] <ftwig> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:54] <grepper> thoreauputic, I guess, but I wouldn't think you would have to disable it globaly
[02:55] <housetier> ftwig do you see other error messages before that?
[02:56] <marjorie> grepper: its ok to put bash commands in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[02:56] <grepper> marjorie, did you read "man wireless" ?
[02:56] <marjorie> ok smack my hand
[02:57] <thoreauputic> marjorie: it's OK to do anything... but your system might break ... ;)
[02:57] <marjorie> no
[02:58] <grepper> I think you preface the commands with wireless- , at least according to man interfaces
[02:58] <ftwig> housetier: yes - yes noticed its cos I have filled up /, but not sure how I can get round this - / is 256MB
[02:58] <marjorie> where can i get these manuals ur refering to?
[02:58] <marjorie> just in /usr/doc or something?
[02:59] <grepper> ftwig, "apt-get clean" will empty out your /var/cache/apt/archives of downloaded debs
[02:59] <thoreauputic> marjorie: just type ` man <name_of_command`
[02:59] <marjorie> wow
[02:59] <marjorie> cool :P
[02:59] <thoreauputic> marjorie: like man ls  or man cp  and so forth
[03:00] <marjorie> ive always just used [command]  -help
[03:00] <ftwig> housetier: Yes - but that douse not help with / - maybe I should symlink /boot to someware with more space
[03:00] <thoreauputic> marjorie: unfortunately there's no manual entry for `woman` *grin*
[03:01] <housetier> ftwig so /var is on a different partition than / ?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> marjorie: just for fun, type apt-get moo
[03:01] <ftwig> housetier: yes
[03:01] <ftwig> housetier: / has its own partition
[03:02] <marjorie> .... let me guess, that would be man -man
[03:02] <housetier> ftwig do you have an idea what might be using so much space?
[03:02] <thoreauputic> marjorie: no hyphen   man man  gives you the manual for the manual :)
[03:02] <ftwig> housetier: there seem to be 3 kernels in there but not really - its a fairly new install
[03:03] <marjorie> heheh no i meant the woman manual would be like....
[03:03] <housetier> ftwig maybe /tmp is full too?
[03:03] <marjorie> man - woman {//.woman man-man}
[03:04] <ftwig> housetier: /tmp has its own partision
[03:04] <marjorie> being silly....
[03:04] <housetier> ftwig ok now tell me your partition scheme
[03:04] <grepper> marjorie, it would have nice pictures
[03:04] <housetier> layout even
[03:04] <ftwig> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[03:04] <ftwig> /dev/hda1             268M  250M  3.8M  99% /
[03:04] <ftwig> tmpfs                  94M     0   94M   0% /dev/shm
[03:04] <ftwig> /dev/hda7             6.5G   76M  6.1G   2% /home
[03:04] <ftwig> /dev/hda6              90M  4.1M   81M   5% /tmp
[03:04] <ftwig> /dev/hda8             7.0G  1.8G  4.9G  27% /usr
[03:04] <thoreauputic> peter@debianarchist:~$ man woman
[03:04] <ftwig> /dev/hda5             4.6G  148M  4.3G   4% /var
[03:04] <thoreauputic> No manual entry for woman
[03:04] <ftwig> none                  5.0M  2.7M  2.4M  54% /dev
[03:04] <ftwig> b
[03:05] <thoreauputic> :(
[03:05] <fabbione> STOP flooding the CHAN with useless info
[03:05] <marjorie> heh, this manual would be a lot like "how to do things in debian"
[03:05] <maswan> ftwig: First, /etc/gconf is usually huge and bloated and would be better off in /var, IMO. then you have /lib with a huge tree of kernel modules, probably.
[03:05] <housetier> ftwig "cd /; du -sh" and then cd into the largest directory where you run "du -sh" again
[03:05] <marjorie> so many wonderful choises to achive the same functionality...
[03:06] <maswan> housetier: ehm. add a -x to du to keep within /
[03:06] <maswan> housetier: and that will only do it for the top directory, so you fail on that too.
[03:07] <housetier> ftwig ok listen to maswan
[03:07] <maswan> du --max-depth 1 -xch /
[03:08] <thoreauputic> marjorie:  sudo apt-get install debian-reference ; sudo apt-get install apt-howto
[03:08] <Dekkard> a hoary upgrade always makes me nervous...
[03:08] <maswan> or du -xk / > /tmp/root.du
[03:08] <ftwig> housetier:am - ta
[03:08] <maswan> then xdu < /tmp/root.du
[03:08] <housetier> I'll stay out of this, too complicated for me
[03:08] <marjorie> going from the interfaces manual i can bring the interface up and dhcp it with just auto wlan0
[03:08] <maswan> hmm.. xdu is perhaps not installed by default, but when installed it gives a nice graphical overview of the directory tree with the largest one being largest.
[03:09] <thoreauputic> marjorie: sounds like a plan then
[03:09] <marjorie> but the wpa_supplicant binary has to be run b4 that..
[03:09] <marjorie> time to see if its "OK" i think :)
[03:11] <marjorie> well after that it "assosiates" with my "access point"
[03:12] <thoreauputic> marjorie: sounds positively Freudian...
[03:12] <paulproteus> :)
[03:13] <thoreauputic> marjorie: I hope it knows not to associate with strangers
[03:13] <marjorie> it says u can use any of the binarys that come with the wireless-tools package but wpa_supplicant aint...
[03:15] <ftwig> maswan: ok - /lib is huge, but there is also a /var/lib - I supose i could create a /var/boot_lib and symlink /lib to it.
[03:16] <marjorie> right reboot time!
[03:16] <marjorie> c u in 5
[03:16] <maswan> ftwig: Hmm.. I'm not 100% sure actually, how the bootorder would handle that with regard to kernel modules.
[03:24] <marjorie> no joy :(
[03:24] <marjorie> grepper: is there any log for /etc/network/interfaces ?
[03:24] <marjorie> or a way to test my syntax b4 boot or somthing
[03:26] <GoneBoB> yeah
[03:26] <GoneBoB> /etc/init.d/networking restart
[03:26] <marjorie> thanks
[03:26] <thoreauputic> marjorie: you could try dmesg | grep wireless as well, maybe - see if there are messages during boot
[03:27] <marjorie> thoreauputic: kernel is fine, loads my ndiswrapper moduel peachy evey time
[03:28] <marjorie> ..
[03:29] <marjorie> but i just ran ./networking restart and im still connected so i dont think my fore in the interfaces file was successful :)
[03:29] <ftwig> maswan: bugger - yust tried to move /lib and when I deleted /lib to symlink it I found /bin/ln is broken - time to boot with a rescue disk ;(
[03:30] <maswan> ftwig: Ehm. Yeah, you need a few files in /lib to run any binary.
[03:30] <marjorie> thoreauputic: time to useing ur dodgy method > 5 mins...
[03:30] <ftwig> maswan: you only learn by your mistakes :)
[03:30] <marjorie> :)
[03:30] <thoreauputic> marjorie: allcare but no responsibility... ;)
[03:31] <ftwig> maswan: now I guess I need to put a CD drive in the box;(
[03:31] <maswan> ftwig: I would rather look to see if I had multiple kernel version installed and remove one of them with lots of modules in /lib/modules
[03:31] <maswan> ftwig: yeah
[03:31] <marjorie> ive tried asking in the #ndiswrapper channel but i think they expect me to speak in binary or something
[03:32] <ftwig> maswan: probably a bit late for that - unless you have a cunning plan.  I think I will gove / 500MB in future
[03:32] <thoreauputic> marjorie: you mean you *can't* speak in binary? What kind of a Linux geek are you? hehe
[03:32] <quiet> So I'm installing Ubuntu 4.10 on my notebook... and I don't think it's actually having problems... but for a while it was just scroling "serial8273: too much work for irq 10"   (not sure if those are the correct numbers on 'serial'...
[03:32] <Tsjoklat> *cough cough*
[03:32] <Tsjoklat> marjorie changing of nicks might help :P
[03:33] <marjorie> they dont understand my "accent"
[03:33] <maswan> ftwig: Well, you can boot rescue and undo what you just did, then do that. But yeah, 512 meg root seems to be the least to handle in a comfortable way these days. At least if you want multiple kernel versions installed.
[03:33] <marjorie> hellloooooooo , SELECT question FROM nicks
[03:33] <marjorie> plllllllzzzz
[03:34] <Tsjoklat> marjorie if you would change it to something more 'sexless' they probably help :P
[03:34] <GoneBoB> ftwig: this is where sash would come in handy
[03:34] <GoneBoB> statically linked shell with builtin commands
[03:35] <marjorie> ...poor
[03:35] <thoreauputic> marjorie:   /nick  techDude   *g*
[03:35] <Tsjoklat> hey thoreauputic :)
[03:35] <marjorie> i dont think that really goes with the ubuntu mentality does it?
[03:35] <GoneBoB> marjorie: problem with ndiswrapper?
[03:36] <Tsjoklat> marjorie I was refering to that ndiswrapper thing channel
[03:36] <thoreauputic> marjorie: I don't see why you should need to change your nick, frankly
[03:36] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, you are male?
[03:37] <marjorie> No problem im just unsure as to the best of automateing the whole nic up, authenticate, dhcp process
[03:38] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, name yourself 'Betty' and see how much help you get in some channels :P
[03:39] <ftwig> GoneBoB: OK - i'le apt-get it ;)
[03:39] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: heh - in some channels all the lonely geeks would rush to help ;)
[03:39] <GoneBoB> ftwig: just handy to have around in case of emergency :)
[03:39] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, I am not talking about "testerone overflow" channels dear
[03:39] <GoneBoB> I keep a 512mb USB key with LNX-BBC around for emergencies though
[03:39] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: yeah, I get it *g*
[03:40] <ftwig> OK - ime going to rebbot - I may be some time
[03:40] <marjorie> this channel seems cool
[03:40] <Tsjoklat> marjorie it is
[03:40] <thoreauputic> marjorie: yeah, for a bit of culture shock, just lurk in #debian for a while ...
[03:40] <marjorie> i know
[03:40] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:41] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, you would only advise that to someone that is suicidal
[03:41] <marjorie> i was like, "ill just go and hang myself"
[03:41] <marjorie> "..is that ok?"
[03:41] <marjorie> :)
[03:41] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: well, once I got over the shock I learnt a lot in there
[03:41] <Tsjoklat> marjorie, wow you didn't get banned with your nick? lol amazing... must be the season spirit
[03:42] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, oh yeah hella smart... like it is so gobsmacking how good they are in setting bans
[03:42] <gir_> hi, i've got a problem printing from mozilla and openoffice.
[03:42] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: hey, there's a couple of prominent women in #debian, you know
[03:42] <etorix> how does #debian react to the u-word?
[03:42] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, oh?
[03:42] <gir_> cups printing works okay but image colours are wrong in ff and oo
[03:42] <marjorie> its bound to a single click from thier uber-tech mice
[03:42] <thoreauputic> etorix: depends on context
[03:42] <gir_> it seems to be sending the print job via lpr
[03:43] <gir_> any ideas?
[03:43] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: phated, helix
[03:43] <etorix> like they react to the k-word?
[03:43] <marjorie> opengl render for some gui auto kick program
[03:43] <etorix> [i dont go in there] 
[03:43] <thoreauputic> etorix: not as badly
[03:43] <GoneBoB> marjorie: haha I just changed jobs
[03:43] <GoneBoB> they previous regime were oldschool unix/debian nutjobs
[03:43] <thoreauputic> etorix: the k word always produces a knee-jerk
[03:43] <GoneBoB> none of the mice had scroll wheels
[03:43] <GoneBoB> I threw them all out
[03:43] <marjorie> i would like to get a linux job...
[03:44] <marjorie> heheh
[03:44] <Tsjoklat> well let's stick with ubu shall we :P
[03:44] <marjorie> just on the wintel cusp
[03:44] <Tsjoklat> there is not enough medication for all of us
[03:44] <marjorie> tru
[03:44] <looker> hi people i don't mount /dev/sda1 in ubuntu
[03:45] <ogra> ??
[03:45] <gir_> so does anyone know anything about printing?
[03:45] <marjorie> ...k, what was the name of that init.misc  start up script :)
[03:45] <amh> hello
[03:45] <thoreauputic> marjorie:  /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[03:45] <marjorie> thx
[03:46] <etorix> bootmisc.sh?
[03:47] <thoreauputic> gir_: I'm sure someone does ... be a little more specific perhaps?
[03:47] <thoreauputic> etorix: yes
[03:47] <etorix> sda1 = sata?
[03:47] <gir_> okay, graphics don't print properly in firefox and openoffice
[03:47] <gir_> a cups test sheet works fine and the colours are nice from gnome
[03:47] <Josephus> i forgot the name of the gnome theme i was using in debian, now i can't find it anywhere. screenshot: http://www.josephus.hu/pictures/screenshots/kepek/xorg.png
[03:47] <amh> I have an ASUS A8V mobo, AMD64 3500+, 2 SATA harddrives on the Promise sata controller, WindowsXP on one harddrive and i want to install Ubuntu on the other but I want to make sure this will work or I will need to reinstall windows and I dont want to do that.  My video card is nvidia 6800GT.  Would I have problems installing Ubuntu?  Fedora 2 works but Fedora 3 doesnt and I would like to...
[03:47] <amh> ...give Ubuntu a try.
[03:48] <Josephus> can someone give me a name or something?
[03:48] <GoneBoB> amh: you may have some problems with the SATA controller, or you may not
[03:48] <GoneBoB> it's extremely unlikely that you will break windows
[03:49] <gir_> firefox seems to be using the lpr command to print (rather than cups?) how do I set it to use cups?
[03:49] <thoreauputic> Josephus: patience..patience...:)
[03:49] <amh> Im concerned with booting to windows
[03:49] <ogra> Josephus: amaranth ?
[03:49] <amh> Fedora 3 hangs on windows boot
[03:49] <GoneBoB> ok I'm off
[03:49] <GoneBoB> night all
[03:49] <gir_> amh: yeah me too, so I deleted windows
[03:49] <amh> I cant do that
[03:49] <gir_> amh:   ;)
[03:49] <Josephus> ogra: dunno
[03:50] <amh> World of Warcraft, I NEED Windows   :D
[03:50] <ogra> Josephus: look for it at art.gnome.org ....
[03:50] <ogra> Josephus: or gnome-look.org
[03:50] <thoreauputic> Josephus: that's one big screenshot - I'm on dialup and it's still downloading
[03:51] <amh> So will Ubuntu work with nvidia 6800gt and will the kernel use my promise sata controller?(asus a8v mobo)?
[03:51] <Josephus> o yeah it's amarath
[03:51] <Josephus> thank you all
[03:51] <Josephus> :)
[03:52] <Josephus> http://librsvg.sourceforge.net/theme.php
[03:52] <ogra> amh: for nvidia: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:53] <ogra> amh: two commands and one reboot to install the driver ;)
[03:53] <amh> Ok so after first boot Ubuntu will put me in text mode and then I root the apt commands and it will install for me?  I dont have to mess with repository settings etc?
[03:53] <marjorie> check the promise site to see wich drivers they have for which kernel, there pretty good i think
[03:54] <amh> How do I install the promise drivers if it wont boot with them?
[03:54] <marjorie> boot of an ide disk
[03:54] <ogra> amh: nope, after first boot your system is configured with the free nv driver and drops you directly in a configured X....the two are for the nvidia binary driver from nvidia ;)
[03:54] <amh> I have 2 sata drives
[03:55] <amh> Ah ok so its like Fedora
[03:55] <ogra> is it ?
[03:55] <marjorie> boot of another disk, usb pen for eg
[03:55] <amh> the free driver and then I install the nvidia one
[03:55] <ogra> saw
[03:55] <marjorie> and fiddle until u get it working :)
[03:55] <amh> cant do that marjorie
[03:56] <ftwig> hi - managed to boot with reaque disk - tried 'sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda /media/hda/' but got 'mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda, or too many mounted file systems' any ideas?
[03:56] <amh> So I am SOL with my mobo?  That sucks
[03:56] <Josephus> ok it's in the gnome-themes-extras package
[03:56] <etorix> amh .. nobody said that
[03:56] <etorix> ubuntu saw my sata hd fine
[03:57] <amh> What mobo?  Promise controller?
[03:57] <etorix> shuttle sn95g5 amd3500+
[03:57] <amh> o_O
[03:57] <thoreauputic> ftwig: umm... I think you meant /dev/hda1 didn't you?
[03:58] <amh> Ok, going to give this a try,  Ubuntu has no problems dual booting with xp right?
[03:58] <amh> Does it use grub or lilo?
[03:58] <thoreauputic> ftwig: and probably /media/hda1, if it exists on your system
[03:58] <etorix> yes and yes
[03:58] <ftwig> thoreauputic: ta - thats the one
[03:58] <ogra> etorix: yes ? it uses grub or lilo ?
[03:58] <ogra> hehe
[03:58] <etorix> yes
[03:59] <ogra> amh: by default grub is used
[03:59] <amh> Well here goes nothing
[03:59] <amh> Thanks for the help
[03:59] <ogra> amh: and if you run into any probs we are all here in the cosy cradle of the #ubuntu community ;)
[04:00] <amh> Maybe I can finally be rid of rpm distros
[04:00] <marjorie> does ubuntu do a live cd?
[04:00] <ogra> just try it :)
[04:00] <ogra> marjorie: yep
[04:00] <thoreauputic> marjorie: yes
[04:00] <marjorie> then amh should give that a go no?
[04:01] <ogra> marjorie: not for amd64 afaik
[04:01] <marjorie> ah
[04:01] <marjorie> tech stuff
[04:01] <marjorie> are there many other customisations u can do for laptops after defaulkt install? power saving things like that?
[04:02] <thoreauputic> marjorie: you may not be fluent in binary, but judging by your previous posts you do a pretty good impression of a clued tach type ;)
[04:02] <amh> Should I do amd64 or i386?
[04:02] <marjorie> shhh
[04:02] <ogra> marjorie: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto
[04:02] <marjorie> youll blow my cover :)
[04:02] <ogra> amh: take amd
[04:03] <thoreauputic> marjorie: ahhhh... sorry wrong person... yeah you are *totally* clueless ;)
[04:03] <amh> One more question, do you guys know of any minimalist progs for windows that will burn isos?
[04:03] <etorix> deep burner
[04:03] <marjorie> amh: i think the best way is to get dameon tools then do 101 copy thru any prog
[04:03] <marjorie> of virtualcd
[04:03] <etorix> hmm .. is that it?
[04:04] <marjorie> www.daemon-tools.cc
[04:04] <etorix> im not going to boot win to look
[04:05] <amh> deep burner is not minimalis
[04:05] <amh> All I want to do is burn an iso
[04:05] <quiet> i just finished installing ubuntu... and it never asked me to set a root password?
[04:05] <amh> Wow I am getting 300k from the ubuntu server
[04:06] <ogra> quiet: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:06] <ogra> amh: its running on ubuntu ;)
[04:06] <thoreauputic> quiet: correct. Ubuntu uses sudo by default
[04:06] <amh> Your kidding?
[04:06] <amh> Thats awesome
[04:06] <amh> Ubuntu is like the ideal linux
[04:06] <quiet> okay... so what do I do when it asks me for root password for system config in gnome?
[04:07] <ogra> amh: in fact ubuntu is debian with a lot of integration love
[04:07] <ogra> quiet: read the url i gave you
[04:07] <amh> 1 cd, sudo by def, apt
[04:07] <quiet> ok
[04:07] <thoreauputic> quiet: usually you supply your user password
[04:07] <ogra> quiet: thats how sudo works
[04:07] <quiet> i thought so, but that didn't work
[04:07] <quiet> thanks though
[04:08] <thoreauputic> quiet: what are you configuring, and how are you attempting to do it?
[04:08] <mupe> quiet, sudo passwd
[04:08] <quiet> i was looking at the network config tool
[04:08] <ogra> mupe: bah
[04:09] <quiet> and when I click "configure" it asks for password...
[04:09] <quiet> i entered the user password, and it told me no..  heh
[04:09] <ogra> quiet: retried ? maybe it was a typo ;)
[04:09] <quiet> tried a few times
[04:10] <mupe> caps lock?
[04:10] <quiet> "The entered password is invalid"
[04:10] <quiet> nope
[04:10] <quiet> can I set a root password, then disable root again?
[04:10] <t3ch_thang> bootmisc.sh worked a treat ;)
[04:10] <ogra> quiet: on a default ubuntu install ? nothing tweaked ?
[04:10] <thoreauputic> haha @ t3ch_thang
[04:10] <quiet> no I JUST finished installing
[04:10] <ogra> quiet: its described in the wiki page
[04:10] <t3ch_thang> hehe
[04:10] <quiet> it is working great, I was just looking..
[04:11] <mupe> does sudo work only on the first user created or on all users?
[04:11] <thoreauputic> t3ch_thang: heh, script kiddie nick now ? *g*
[04:11] <ogra> mupe: yep
[04:11] <amh> How do you do major stuff to the system if no password is set?
[04:11] <mupe> ogra the first or all of them?
[04:11] <dr_willis> sudo has config files to set it up the other way . if ya want.
[04:11] <ogra> mupe: if you want others to be able to sudo, you have to use the visudo command
[04:11] <thoreauputic> t3ch_thang: glad to hear it worked - the bill is in the mail ;)
[04:12] <t3ch_thang> well, it did seem a bit rugged seeing all the authentication hex at start up, but hey job done
[04:12] <mupe> quiet, you are using the first user?
[04:12] <quiet> yes
[04:12] <quiet> it's my notebook... I only need 1 user
[04:12] <amh> Doesnt that essentially make your first user account root only need your user password to do stuff?
[04:12] <mupe> ok, that was just an idea
[04:12] <t3ch_thang> i really like the way ubuntu handdle root stuff
[04:13] <ogra> amh: nope
[04:13] <amh> Ok I install ubuntu, then i use apt to install a driver, where is the security if no password is set/used?
[04:13] <t3ch_thang> when i first got into linux i was always running everything as root anyway...
[04:14] <ogra>  amh: its actually much safer then to have a root account (as long as you dont break the model and enable the root user again) https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:14] <amh> I always logged as root then looged out after i was done
[04:14] <ogra> amh: who said ther is no pw used ?
[04:14] <amh> whats stopping anyone from just using sudo in front of a command?
[04:15] <thoreauputic> amh: it prompt you for a password
[04:15] <thoreauputic> *prompts
[04:15] <amh> And that password effectively acts as the root password
[04:15] <t3ch_thang> is there a way to make the sudo pw for root different to root pw?
[04:15] <amh> Now is that your first user password?
[04:15] <thoreauputic> amh: so choose a good password, as always
[04:16] <kebac> amh: when using sudo, it prompts for root password
[04:16] <quiet> okay i get it
[04:16] <amh> And that password is different from your first user password
[04:16] <quiet> i just did a "sudo passwd root" to set a root password.. but the root account is still disabled right?
[04:16] <ogra> kebac: wrong
[04:17] <ogra> kebac: it prompts the user pw
[04:17] <mupe> quiet, it should be enabled now
[04:17] <amh> I always just used su to do system stuff than exited out
[04:17] <amh> su, x y z, exit
[04:17] <ogra> quiet: you just enabled it (and opened a security hole)
[04:17] <thoreauputic> amh: you can do that if you wish, by setting a root password - but it's pointless
[04:17] <amh> easier to use sudo
[04:17] <ogra> yep
[04:17] <ogra> and seafer
[04:18] <quiet> okay... well than if I disable root again.. is there still a root passwd?
[04:18] <amh> safer only because it requires a password each time
[04:18] <amh> if someone gets that password your comp is effectively rooted
[04:18] <mupe> also possible to use sudo su if need to do a lot of stuff
[04:18] <thoreauputic> amh: yes, so set a good password
[04:18] <ogra> quiet: nope, then its locked again
[04:19] <quiet> well than what the heck am I supposed to use when it asks for an "administrative password"?
[04:19] <amh> the root account isnt really disabled, its just crippled so you need to ask permission each time
[04:19] <ogra> amh: read the wiki page, it covers this kind of questions
[04:19] <ogra> quiet: your user pw
[04:19] <quiet> ogra, that doesn't work
[04:20] <ogra> quiet: it does for everyone else ....
[04:20] <quiet> well than I guess I need to try to re-install or something
[04:20] <thoreauputic> quiet: if it "doesn't work", then your system is misconfigured
[04:22] <quiet> what's the md5 for warty?
[04:23] <ogra> quiet: for the iso ?
[04:23] <quiet> yah
[04:23] <ogra> quiet: should be offered in the download location you got it from
[04:24] <quiet> it's not.. i'm using the mid-west united stated mirror
[04:25] <quiet> nevermind i got it
[04:26] <t3ch_thang> how can u find out what acpci function u have available (like suspend for on / off button)
[04:27] <quiet> i don
[04:27] <ogra> t3ch_thang: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto
[04:27] <t3ch_thang> thx
[04:27] <quiet> i don't think setting the root password enabled the root account, because I can't login with it... but using the password does work
[04:28] <ogra> quiet: where do you try to login ?
[04:28] <quiet> i tried it under gdm
[04:28] <ogra> quiet: never ever run X as root
[04:29] <quiet> why
[04:29] <theNeonGod> anyone here using a DVI-input LCD w/ an nvidia card and successfully got the drivers working?
[04:29] <ogra> quiet: it is disabled to login via gdm
[04:29] <thoreauputic> quiet: running X as root can stuff your system totally, and is insecure as hell
[04:29] <quiet> okay.. well I can su - to root
[04:30] <ogra> quiet: because its to easy to damage your system....it is unsafe like windows to use a browser as root in x etc
[04:30] <quiet> ok
[04:31] <amh> Why not use pygtk for gnome development rather than mono?  Why does mono even enter into the linux equation?  Seems like a bad idea to base important development on top of microsoft tech
[04:31] <ogra> quiet: two things you should defiately never do as root are using a filemanager (nautilus) or mozilla via sudo....it breaks your users setup
[04:31] <quiet> ok
[04:31] <amh> (there is a ubuntu howto for mono)
[04:31] <ogra> amh: thats the point of ubuntu (heavy python usage everywhere)
[04:32] <amh> python makes so much more sense and is much much nicer than c#
[04:32] <ogra> amh: mono is just an add on....the plan is to switch _everything_ to py
[04:32] <amh> plan for ubuntu only or for gnome too?
[04:32] <ogra> hehe fabbione
[04:33] <ogra> amh: plan for gnome in ubuntu...dunno about the general gnome palns
[04:33] <quiet> does Ubuntu have KDE? as in, can I apt-get it?
[04:33] <thoreauputic> quiet: you can
[04:33] <ogra> quiet: unsupported, but its there
[04:34] <quiet> ok..i was just wondering.. i'm perfectly happy with gnome
[04:34] <t3ch_thang> cool, the acpci way seems the best way, as you can modify the scripts that each uses...
[04:34] <ogra> quiet: there is also just forming a kubuntu community project
[04:34] <amh> well its time to give this a try, thanks for all the help
[04:35] <thoreauputic> ogra: heh - kubuntu ! (the k is obligatory, I guess ;) )
[04:35] <ogra> yup... *g* its funny
[04:35] <thoreauputic> somehow, gubuntu never happened ....
[04:35] <ogra> gnome has dropped the G everywhere it was possible
[04:36] <thoreauputic> good
[04:36] <anir> orga: what do u mean?
[04:36] <thoreauputic> I wish everything wasn't gnome-someapp  though
[04:36] <ogra> anir: kde puts a K in front of every app name
[04:36] <housetier> gnu = gnome's new ubunut
[04:36] <housetier> ubuntu*
[04:36] <anir> orga: okay
[04:37] <ogra> housetier: i dont think rms would agree
[04:37] <ogra> ;)
[04:37] <housetier> rms is not an agreeable type of person to begin with
[04:37] <ogra> heh
[04:37] <housetier> ;)
[04:37] <thoreauputic> ogra: he's waiting for ubuntu/HURD I guess ;)
[04:37] <housetier> hahaha
[04:37] <ogra> next year
[04:38] <ogra> lol
[04:38] <Riddell> thoreauputic: we'll happily welcome any better names than kubuntu
[04:39] <thoreauputic> Riddell: kubuntu is OK - just kidding really :)
[04:39] <housetier> Riddell ubuntu 2k? :D
[04:39] <ogra> ans haggai already made a nice branding for it.....
[04:39] <thoreauputic> housetier: better than ubuntu ME anyway ;)
[04:39] <Riddell> thoreauputic: it's a daft name in my opinion
[04:39] <ogra> thoreauputic: you mean ubuntu 3000 ?
[04:40] <thoreauputic> Riddell: kubuntu you mean? Well, it's kind of amusing but not really likely to inspire respect
[04:40] <anir> if i install KDE instead of GNOME will i get any problem??
[04:41] <thoreauputic> anir: only the problem of running KDE *grin*
[04:41] <ogra> anir: the gnome tools are not integrated.....
[04:41] <ogra> anir: i mean the system/admin stuff.....but else i dont think so...
[04:42] <anir> which linux distros run on KDE?
[04:42] <ogra> anir: and even thins will change for hoarys kubuntu i guess
[04:42] <ogra> anir: nearly all
[04:42] <anir> what is kubuntu??
[04:42] <thoreauputic> ogra: I turned off kdebug but KDE *still* pollutes my nice clean aterm with messages :/
[04:43] <ogra> anir: an attempt to make ubuntu kde based
[04:43] <anir> oh.. it looks good in GNOME..what do u say
[04:43] <ogra> thoreauputic: wow, you need kde to run aterm ?
[04:43] <ogra> *g*
[04:43] <fgubuntu> hello all
[04:43] <ogra> anir: i'm using it _because_ of gnome
[04:43] <thoreauputic> ogra: other way around - I need aterm to run KDE *g*
[04:44] <ogra> hehe
[04:44] <anir> okay..
[04:44] <anir> hey i want to install linspire in the same system where i have ubuntu and win98SE...will i get any problem??
[04:45] <ogra> thoreauputic: heard of kdm ? its a starter for aterm (and the surrounding stuff)
[04:45] <ogra> anir: win will wipe your bootrecord....
[04:45] <thoreauputic> ogra: yeah... another Amusing Misuse of Resources  ( Amor) :)
[04:45] <ogra> anir:else it should work fine
[04:45] <anir> okay orga..if i only install two linux??
[04:46] <ogra> anir: shouldnt be a prob
[04:46] <anir> cool
[04:46] <etorix> you can install as many linux as u like
[04:46] <anir> can u tell me ogra what linspire uses?
[04:46] <Riddell> anir: won't be a problem (but best to install win98 first if it isn't already)
[04:46] <ogra> anir: what for ? desktop ?
[04:46] <anir> yes riddell i know the order..(thankfully..)lol
[04:47] <anir> orga:yes
[04:47] <Riddell> anir: it uses a cut down version of KDE with mozilla
[04:47] <thoreauputic> anir: Linspire uses a corrupted version of KDE with appropriated GNOME apps as well ...
[04:47] <ogra> anir: i think they do it similar to RH
[04:47] <Laur> hy someone from romania?
[04:47] <ogra> anir: trying to make gnome apps like kde apps and use both
[04:47] <ikaro> hi everyone.
[04:47] <anir> hey guys .. u sound like linspire is not a good choice...???
[04:48] <ftwig> hi - fixed my system - ta - not trying to break it again ;)
[04:48] <thoreauputic> anir: depends what you like/want to do
[04:48] <anir> i have ordered a set of linspire cds yesterday
[04:48] <anir> thoreauputic: what can i do with linspire??
[04:48] <Riddell> anir: what version and are you a linspire insider?
[04:48] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, see you laters
[04:48] <anir> Anyone have used linspire??
[04:49] <anir> no riddel.. i am totally new to linux environment.. just 2 weeks old
[04:49] <NaitoNeko> Hi
[04:49] <NaitoNeko> Need Help about the password of the root
[04:50] <jdz_> Hi there
[04:50] <NaitoNeko> Hi
[04:50] <NaitoNeko> is it default?
[04:50] <jdz_> There actually is no root password, the account is disabled by default
[04:50] <anir> Riddell: i am facing a problem.. well will the openoffice files run on office XP???
[04:50] <NaitoNeko> How can i enable it ?
[04:50] <jdz_> You can use sudo for everything, or use sudo to set a root password if you wish to use it
[04:50] <NaitoNeko> Thanx ..... A lot man
[04:50] <NaitoNeko>  u help me a lot
[04:51] <anir> what does sudo means???
[04:51] <NaitoNeko> but how can i sudo a root pas
[04:51] <quiet> umm... guys.. i'm having issues with loggin out of gnome.. i just get a black screen and nothing happens..
[04:51] <jdz_> If you don't know about sudo - it's worth looking into
[04:51] <ftwig> NaitoNeko: there is a page on the ubuntu wiki - hand go
[04:51] <Nick_Jacked> Anyone seeing sound problems with Audigy cards after upgrading. I am getting no sound.
[04:51] <NaitoNeko> JAJAJ ok
[04:51] <quiet> I can't Ctl+Alt+Backspace or anything...
[04:51] <NaitoNeko>  iwill try
[04:51] <NaitoNeko>  cya
[04:51] <NaitoNeko>  :P
[04:51] <Riddell> anir: tell openoffice to save as Word/Excel files and you can open them with MS Office
[04:51] <anir> riddell: cool .. thank you..
[04:52] <Nick_Jacked> Anyone seeing sound problems with Audigy cards after upgrading. I am getting no sound.
[04:52] <anir> riddell: so is the vice-versa also possible??
[04:53] <Riddell> anir: open office can also open MS Word and Excel files
[04:53] <Riddell> and Powderpoint files I think
[04:53] <anir> riddell: cool.. my problem is solved
[04:53] <Laur> hy someone from romania?
[04:53] <ftwig> NaitoNeko: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo/
[04:54] <anir> linux is getting better day by day
[04:54] <Nick_Jacked> Anyone seeing sound problems with Audigy cards after upgrading. I am getting no sound.
[04:54] <anir> will it support 64 bit processor??
[04:55] <anir> well i dont know why the heck i want to use 64 bit processor.. but lets try it..
[04:56] <anir> Anyone using 64 bit processor??
[04:56] <housetier> a friend is
[04:56] <housetier> and a friend of a friend's acquaintance
[04:56] <anir> housetier: so can u tell me a bit about the perf??
[04:57] <Nick_Jacked> anir, not with Ubuntu
[04:57] <anir> Nick_Jacked: so ubuntu will not support 64 bit???
[04:57] <housetier> anir well his laptop was really fast, but the distro was somewhat unstable
[04:57] <anir> housetier: which distro he uses??
[04:58] <Nick_Jacked> anir, yes if you get the X86_64 version.
[04:58] <thoreauputic> anir: thay charge to install a lot of software (convenience thing)
[04:58] <thoreauputic> anir: Linspire click-n-run is basically a convenient one-click implementation of apt, which both debian and ubuntu use
[04:58] <thoreauputic> the difference is they charge for the convenience and don't really acknowledge the source of the software enough
[04:58] <housetier> anir I don't remember, I don't think its important...
[04:58] <anir> Nick_Jacked: is it available for free or i have to pay for it??
[04:58] <thoreauputic> well, that killed the conversation... sorry for the off-topic rant
[04:59] <Nick_Jacked> anir, it is free. Download it at ubuntulinux.com or go there and order CDs
[04:59] <anir> Nick_Jacked: well i dont think that cd will be shiped here
[04:59] <ogra> anir: why not ?
[05:00] <anir> orga: i am from India
[05:00] <ogra> anir: dont you recieve mail where you live ?
[05:00] <ogra> anir: i think there already were shipments to india
[05:00] <anir> orga: do i have to pay for the cds?? well if i have to pay in $s or by credit cards it will a problem for me
[05:01] <thenuke> anir: no, it's all free :)
[05:01] <ogra> anir: it is absolutely free, including the shipment
[05:01] <anir> cool.. let me order today
[05:01] <anir> orga: where i will order??
[05:01] <tuxJr_14> hi
[05:01] <ogra> anir: order 100 and give them away, saves costs
[05:02] <ogra> anir: shipit.ubuntu.com
[05:02] <anir> orga: i did not get you
[05:02] <anir> orga: order 100???
[05:02] <anir> orga: okay to my friends???
[05:02] <ogra> anir: order more then you need and share them, saves shipping costs...else ubuntu has to pay for each single cd
[05:02] <sladen> anir: order 1 CD for yourself and 99 to give away to other people
[05:03] <thoreauputic> anir: spread the Ubuntu around ;)
[05:03] <anir> cool
[05:03] <ogra> yay
[05:03] <sladen> anir: it's only 1x postage cost (and postage costs more than the CDs)
[05:03] <anir> are all distros free??
[05:03] <sladen> anir: as in is Freedom, or free as in money?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> anir: most are "free as in freedom", and most are gratis as well
[05:03] <anir> lol ... money.. i mean to order
[05:03] <ogra> anir: not like that... ;) ubuntu is unique in shiping for free
[05:03] <sladen> anir: you must be kidding
[05:04] <anir> sladen: why?
[05:04] <anir> well ubuntu comes in 1 cd???
[05:05] <thoreauputic> anir: This is a different world - we don't have Bill Gates so we don't have to subsidise mansions and private jets ;)
[05:05] <sladen> thoreauputic: *ahem*... private jets
[05:05] <ogra> hehe
[05:05] <ogra> lol
[05:05] <anir> thoreauputic: lol thats a nice one.. thats why i see in all(well most) of the wallpaper that tux shoots bill gates
[05:06] <sladen> thoreauputic: *ahem*... mansions
[05:06] <ogra> *g*
[05:06] <fgubuntu> i've hp compaq nx9000 laptop, custom install, sound does not work. i have alsa-base alsa-headers alsa-utils installed. what's missing? lspci is good ( can see my sound card )
[05:06] <ogra> fgubuntu: did you look at the laptop page ? at the wiki ?
[05:06] <thoreauputic> sladen: *grin*
[05:07] <anir> guys when the new version of ubuntu is coming?? April??
[05:07] <ogra> fgubuntu: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[05:07] <ogra> fgubuntu: add your experiences there, if its not already
[05:08] <ogra> ugh...who broke the layout....
[05:08] <anir> orga: when the next version of  ubuntu is releasing??
[05:08] <ogra> april
[05:09] <anir> orga: wats new??
[05:09] <fgubuntu> ogra: yes, i read it, but it seems sound should work out of the box wit a default install.i made custom, anyway. thx
[05:09] <anir> what is more we will get..(we already have so much)..orga
[05:10] <ogra> fgubuntu: but why ?
[05:10] <ogra> fgubuntu: default is just fine...sound, X etc work out of the box with it (normally)
[05:11] <ogra> anir: look for hoary goals in the wiki
[05:11] <anir> orga: is hoary is better than wiki
[05:11] <ogra> anir: hoary is the name of the next release....
[05:12] <anir> oops..
[05:12] <fgubuntu> ogra: i switched from fedora to ubuntu because i like a system where i can install only software i really need.
[05:12] <ogra> anir: wiki is this: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[05:12] <ogra> fgubuntu: so you should have gone with the default ;)
[05:12] <fgubuntu> ogra: it's more than 1 Gb!
[05:13] <ogra> fgubuntu: its really slim ang has a gerat integration of everything you need
[05:13] <ogra> fgubuntu: you are a fluxbox user ?
[05:13] <anir> well i am getting the idea that linux is not windows..they why Tux shoots only Bill Gates...lol
[05:14] <quiet> where do i go to install a new icon set?
[05:14] <ogra> fgubuntu: the base sys is between 200 and 300 mb.....plus a basic gnome, openoffice and firefox.....
[05:14] <anir> i am really upset that i cant run tv on my ubuntu
[05:14] <fgubuntu> ogra: fluxbox? i like thunderbird, when i saw that if i uninstall evolution, gnome-panel should not work anymore, i decided to customize
[05:14] <tuxJr_14> quiet: depends. which wm/desktop do you use?
[05:14] <quiet> gnome
[05:15] <anir> more options.. more confusion for me...lol
[05:15] <fgubuntu> ogra: basic gnome = gnome-core from universe?
[05:15] <ogra> fgubuntu: the advantage is that you dont have to configure anything to get it working...its a debian system, so removing stuff clenly is quite easy
[05:15] <ogra> fgubuntu: nope.... the standard ubuntified gnome
[05:16] <fgubuntu> ogra: ubuntu-desktop?
[05:16] <ogra> fgubuntu: who told you that nonsense about evo and the panel ?
[05:16] <ogra> fgubuntu: yep
[05:16] <ogra> fgubuntu: you can deinstall evo....
[05:16] <ogra> fgubuntu: without breaking gnome
[05:17] <ogra> quiet: get one from art.gnome.org
[05:17] <ColeT> Hi all - anybody willing to help an ubuntu newbie with a window manager problem?
[05:18] <thoreauputic> ColeT: just ask :)
[05:18] <sladen> ColeT: just ask, don't ask to ask
[05:18] <fgubuntu> ogra: but gnome-panel depens on evolution-data-server
[05:18] <ogra> fgubuntu: e-d-s is needed everywhere, but e-d-s doesnt depend on evo....
[05:18] <ColeT> Here's the deal.  I want to use sawfish instead of metacity.  I went into the gconf tool and changed the window manager setting, but it keeps getting reverted back to metacity when I log in.  I do have sawfish installed...
[05:18] <ColeT> Any thoughts?
[05:19] <ogra> fgubuntu: thats why they split it
[05:19] <sladen> ColeT: what happens if you select sawfish from GDM login?
[05:19] <fgubuntu> ogra: so you think i have to reinstall default and then to deinstall what i dont need
[05:19] <ogra> ColeT: make sure you save your session on logout if using sawfish
[05:19] <ColeT> sladen: It doesn't show up as an option.
[05:20] <anir> i have ordered
[05:20] <ColeT> ogra: I can't get sawfish to fire up in the first place...
[05:20] <ogra> fgubuntu: that will save you a lot of time ;)
[05:20] <ogra> ColeT: in a terminal: killall metacity && sleep 2 && sawfish &
[05:20] <anir> guys guys.. without any bias.. tell me if i want to run games, do designing work and computation.. which distro is best and which desktop??
[05:20] <fgubuntu> ogra: i will break all metapack! is it safe?
[05:21] <ColeT> Session options are: Last, Default System Session, Gnome, Failsafe Gnome, Failsafe Terminal
[05:21] <ogra> ColeT: if sawfish runs and the gconf key is set, save your session on logout
[05:21] <e-Jah> re
[05:21] <ColeT> ogra: Let me give that a shot.
[05:21] <ogra> ColeT: on logout
[05:21] <tuxJr_14> anir: games? ask me. use morphix games distro.
[05:21] <thoreauputic> anir: games are a Linux weakpoint, to be honest.
[05:21] <tuxJr_14> thoreauputic: no they are not
[05:21] <anir> okay.. is any distro  thinking about it??
[05:22] <tuxJr_14> anir: it is a live cd distro. but you can install it
[05:22] <ogra> fgubuntu: the matapackages are empty...but important on upgrade to the next stable release...make sure to install them again then
[05:22] <tuxJr_14> anir: ??
[05:22] <anir> tuxjr_14: which one??
[05:22] <thoreauputic> tuxJr_14: well, depends which kinds of games, really :)
[05:22] <anir> tuxJr_14: what games do u play??
[05:22] <tuxJr_14> thoreauputic: all kinds of games, man! happypenguin.org
[05:22] <thoreauputic> tuxJr_14: OK - I'll look :)
[05:23] <tuxJr_14> anir: all. usually i play either cuyo or doom
[05:23] <tuxJr_14> anir: check morphix.org for more info.
[05:23] <anir> tuxJr_14: do u mean that i have to download the games from the net??
[05:23] <ColeT> ogra: Looks like metacity is getting respawned automagically when I try to kill it.  8)
[05:24] <ogra> ColeT: then drop the sleep command in the line i gave you
[05:24] <tuxJr_14> anir: yes and a no. morphix games is a gaming distro while happypenguin.org provides you with the games which you can download
[05:24] <anir> tuxJr_14: from where i can order it?
[05:24] <ColeT> Ayup - just tried that.  Seems to have worked.  Now let me try logging out and back in.
[05:25] <ogra> ColeT: dont forget to check the checkbox ;)
[05:25] <anir> is linspire like slakeware???
[05:25] <ColeT> Save session... will do.
[05:26] <thoreauputic> anir: Linspire and Slackware are about as different as two Linux distros could be :)
[05:26] <ColeT> ogra: That seems to have done it.  Thanks for the suggestions.
[05:26] <ogra> ;)
[05:26] <anir> okay thoreauputic...
[05:26] <ogra> thoreauputic: nope, DSL and suse are more different
[05:26] <ogra> ;)
[05:27] <tuxJr_14> ogra: well said
[05:27] <anir> tuxJr_14: so tell me from where i will  order it??
[05:27] <thoreauputic> ogra: granted :)
[05:27] <anir> wwhat about MEPIS??
[05:27] <tuxJr_14> anir: download. no order.
[05:27] <anir> tuxJr_14: what is the size??
[05:28] <anir> i dont have a cd write rightnow..so :(
[05:28] <tuxJr_14> anir: good desktop os. if you want something more desktop user friendly, use redflag
[05:28] <tuxJr_14> anir: 650-700 mb maybe
[05:28] <thoreauputic> anir: MEPIS is a KDE debian-based distro - I haven't used it but it seems to suit people as a desktop distro
[05:29] <anir> thoreauputic: so its worth trying??
[05:29] <anir> tuxJr_14: where ll i get redflag??
[05:30] <thoreauputic> anir: sure. Lots of Linux is worth trying - in fcat most
[05:30] <ogra> anir: chinese government ?
[05:30] <thoreauputic> *fact
[05:30] <anir> orga: i didnt get u
[05:30] <anir> orga: lol..
[05:30] <ogra> anir: redflag is from the chinese government
[05:30] <thoreauputic> anir: redflag is a Chinese linux
[05:30] <anir> okay..
[05:31] <anir> so it ll be in chinese??
[05:31] <ogra> dunno
[05:31] <anir> wats the web add??
[05:31] <ogra> dunno
[05:31] <thoreauputic> anir: I have no idea. Most Linux comes with internationalisation
[05:31] <ogra> try google
[05:31] <anir> let me try
[05:31] <gwildor> just google redflag...its the first 2......i was just there, but didnt copy
[05:31] <gwildor> anir,
[05:31] <thoreauputic> anir:  http://distrowatch.org
[05:32] <anir> yes gwildor
[05:32] <gwildor> :)
[05:32] <anir> u got a nice smile gwildor
[05:33] <gwildor> lol....thnx
[05:33] <anir> i wish i had 1200GB HDD...
[05:33] <gwildor> me too
[05:33] <anir> i want to install all linux and test them...
[05:33] <anir> but elas..
[05:33] <anir> alas
[05:34] <anir> what is libranet??
[05:34] <anir> another distro??
[05:34] <gwildor> yeah
[05:34] <thoreauputic> anir: that's aphase you go through... then you discover Debian or Ubuntu and you stop ;)
[05:34] <gwildor> kde...i think
[05:34] <anir> okay.. so ubuntu is the best
[05:34] <anir> luckly i am using it...
[05:35] <anir> gosh.. so many distros.. one will go mad..
[05:35] <thoreauputic> one already has ( speaking for myself)
[05:36] <anir> hee hee.. it takes 3-5 years for windows to release another version.. look here.. u can eat linux,sleep linux.. do what ever u want
[05:36] <thoreauputic> anir: indeed
[05:37] <anir> but6 i am confused what i want.. actually forgot
[05:37] <anir> lol
[05:37] <thoreauputic> anir: Stick with what you have for a while before you change everything :)
[05:38] <Henke> my brother just recieved 30 (!) "ubuntu linux" cd's in a package... he claims it's completely free, no cost at all.... my question is, how the heck can you send these discs out for free, no charge for packaging, nothing? are you trying to commit economical suicide??
[05:38] <anir> no no .. i am keeping ubuntu.. i just want to check other distros.. and see what they are offering..atleast for self satisfaction that i have made the right choice.
[05:39] <tarquin> does anyone here know about  registering for shipit?
[05:39] <anir> henke:: lol.. i am going mad
[05:39] <quiet> it's easy
[05:39] <anir> henke: thats a nice one.. economical suicide
[05:39] <quiet> i just ordered 10 32-bit CDs and 5 64-bit CDs yesterday
[05:39] <thoreauputic> Henke: you misunderstand -  Ubuntu is well backed and not about profit from software: any icome would be from services etc
[05:40] <tarquin> is the user name & password for shipit different than for the main ubuntu site?
[05:40] <Setite> quiet... i ordered 10 and 10 like a week and a half ago
[05:40] <anir> any the donations that it gets from good people like you
[05:40] <quiet> you just enter your email address
[05:40] <tarquin> shipit won't log me in with my ubuntu login
[05:40] <Henke> thoreauputic: like services within the distro?
[05:41] <Henke> anyway, that's great, he gave me one to try out right away, I'll boot it in a few minutes :)
[05:41] <anir> hey MEPIS cds cost $9.95..but u said all linux distros are free????
[05:41] <Setite> its the media cost
[05:42] <Setite> for the physical cd and burning cost...
[05:42] <anir> okay
[05:42] <Henke> yeah, cost for media and packaging
[05:42] <adam_> hello, I tried installing ubuntu but X wont start, video card is nvidia 6800gt
[05:42] <anir> so do i have to pay for ubuntu also??
[05:42] <Henke> but these guys charge nothing
[05:42] <Henke> appearantly not
[05:42] <Setite> adam nice card... i got me one of those... but the rig isnt working
[05:42] <tarquin> is it install CDs or Live that they ship?
[05:42] <Setite> henke - i know... its crazy
[05:42] <anir> both
[05:42] <Henke> both
[05:42] <Henke> freakin' craazy :)
[05:43] <tarquin> is the powerPC install only?
[05:43] <anir> setite: do i have to pay for ubuntu also.. the physical cd charge??
[05:43] <adam_> Also, how do I setup grub to let me boot windows, ubuntu never did this
[05:43] <Setite> no
[05:43] <Henke> I gotta try this cd, see you later (i'll be amazed if it has support for my network wlan card)
[05:43] <Setite> oddly enough the mail it to you for free
[05:43] <Setite> but it will take considerably longer than one that you pay for
[05:44] <Setite> i would just download and burn it
[05:44] <anir> i am gonna buy an extra 120 GB HDD
[05:44] <Setite> or do a network install or something
[05:45] <anir> but my downloding capacity is limited.. i can download max 750 MB a month
[05:45] <anir> so..sad
[05:45] <housetier> find more friends
[05:46] <adam_> is there an apt-get command to install the driver for an nvidia 6800gt?
[05:46] <anir> hey bye guys..
[05:47] <anir> see u tomorrow
[05:47] <anir> and u all prepare well for new year
[05:47] <anir> have a blast
[05:48] <anir> how come the name of ubuntu is not there in www.linuxiso.org ???
[05:48] <housetier> adam_ when I hear "nvidia" I think binary driver, which leads here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=nvidia
[05:48] <housetier> however, I have no idea if that'll help you at all
[05:48] <thoreauputic> anir: maybe they aren't up to date
[05:48] <sladen> anir: dunno, have you considered writing to Linuxiso and asking them to add it?
[05:49] <anir> i will do it now
[05:49] <mob_> hi all
[05:50] <housetier> adam_ as for the grub problem, did you install ubuntu before or after windows?
[05:50] <anir> i have sent
[05:50] <mob_> does anyone knows hot to add launchers to gnome-menu? i've tried with 'nautilus applications:///' but it says "<<applications:///>> no es una direccion valida" (spanish)
[05:51] <anir> what is the platform of ubuntu..?? x86??
[05:51] <adam_> i installed after windows, i just edited the menu file(what happened to grub.conf?) and added a windows entry hopefullt that works
[05:52] <adam_> what was that nvidia thing?  sorry but im stuck in text-mode and am unfamiliar with controls for this irssi app
[05:52] <anir> what is minix??
[05:52] <thoreauputic> anir: there are x86 and ppc versions, and a 64 bit version as well IIRC
[05:52] <adam_> andy tanenbaums os
[05:52] <mob_> previous version of linux
[05:52] <ogra> adam_: run xf86cfg
[05:52] <adam_> just do "sudo xf86cfg"?
[05:53] <thoreauputic> mob_: no, it wasn't a version of linux
[05:53] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:53] <jdz_> anir: minix is an educational opperating system, created to teach students.  linus used linux as a base to learn from and then create linux
[05:53] <ogra> adam_: yep
[05:53] <mob_> i've read it on an operating system book
[05:53] <thoreauputic> mob_: Linus used it to make Linux
[05:53] <adam_> shouldnt the install process do that??
[05:53] <anir> so the project was stopped in '96??
[05:53] <mob_> i know
[05:53] <ogra> adam_: normally yes....
[05:53] <mob_> btw linus did says that he wanted to build a little unix name 'minix' so...
[05:54] <mob_> silvershartz it's the book version 4
[05:54] <anir> what about dentoo?? how is it?
[05:54] <anir> its gentoo
[05:55] <tarquin> has anyone thought to make a distro that can work on all those 386s still out there than run Windows 3.1?
[05:55] <mob_> thoreauputic, do you know how to add launchers to the gnome menu?
[05:55] <thoreauputic> mob_: re: Linus announcement of new OS see  http://groups.google.com.au/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&frame=right&th=d161e94858c4c0b9&seekm=1991Aug26.110602.19446%40klaava.Helsinki.FI#link1
[05:55] <anir> whats the diff between Debian and Redhat??
[05:56] <mob_> im going to lunch, bye all
[05:56] <thoreauputic> mob_: re launchers:  open applications:/// in nautilus, right click, add
[05:56] <thoreauputic> anir: night and day ;)
[05:57] <thoreauputic> or the other way around...
[05:57] <mob_> thoreauputic, yes, but it says that isn't a valid location (im using spanish locale)
[05:57] <Fator_Dee> *argh* one should NOT tamper with a working linux system, now I got my mplayer all fscked up >_<
[05:57] <adam_> ok, xf86cfg opened a screen but my mouse didnt work, i used the keypad and quit it, not sure what the deal is now did it auto config?  what did i have to do at that screen?  i double-clicked with the keyboard on the icons but nothing happened
[05:58] <thoreauputic> mob_: hmm... dunno then
[05:58] <ogra> adam_: quitting ;)
[05:58] <anir> thoreauputic: which one is night
[05:58] <ogra> adam_: it offered to save the config on quit, didnt it ?
[05:58] <adam_> yeah
[05:58] <adam_> startx now?
[05:58] <thoreauputic> anir: I was joking - I obviously prefer Debian ;0
[05:58] <ogra> adam_: fine, try: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[05:59] <anir> guys there are lots of open source os developement project going on...
[05:59] <anir> wow
[05:59] <thoreauputic> anir: yes, we know :)
[06:00] <anir> so thats great
[06:00] <anir> well i didnt know that..lol
[06:00] <adam_> fail
[06:00] <sr> hi
[06:00] <ogra> adam_: what error ?
[06:00] <adam_> "starting gnome display manager       fail"
[06:01] <sr> anyone has installed acroread without any problems ?
[06:01] <ogra> adam_: try: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:01] <thoreauputic> anir:   http://sourceforge.net/    - HUGE!
[06:01] <ogra> adam_: there was probably still a flag from the install .....
[06:02] <adam_> it tried a couple times and failed again
[06:02] <ogra> adam_: hmm
[06:02] <ogra> adam_: no other errors ?
[06:02] <Setite> did you defrag prior to partitioning and installation
[06:03] <adam_> no
[06:03] <Setite> my buddy forgot to and that caused problems
[06:03] <adam_> install seemed to go ok
[06:03] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:03] <anir> what the heck are they doing.....::)
[06:03] <ogra> adam_: then try startx and see what erros show up there
[06:03] <dr_willis> hmm
[06:03] <dr_willis> slashdot.org used to have a rss feed/button show up at in firefox. it aont doing it now.. odd.
[06:03] <adam_> no screens found
[06:04] <ogra> adam_: did you already edit the config maually ?
[06:04] <adam_> no
[06:04] <ogra> adam_: then no config tool would work
[06:04] <adam_> Ok, I have to edit this file manually?
[06:04] <ogra> adam_: but xf86cfg dropped you in the graph mode ?
[06:04] <kipod> hello i have a strange problem .... i can't c hebrew files on Nautilus after i have localized my system ... does someone knows y ?
[06:04] <ogra> adam_: nope, dont touch it
[06:05] <thoreauputic> adam_:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure  -plow xserver-xfree86  and say no to the framebuffer question
[06:05] <thoreauputic> adam_: that's the factoid from #debian for noscreensfound IIRC
[06:05] <ogra> adam_: thoreauputic may have a point here....
[06:06] <thoreauputic> ogra: a rare occurrance... *grin*
[06:06] <ogra> and i got to got shopping.....before they close....
[06:06] <ogra> thoreauputic: oh, come on....
[06:06] <thoreauputic> ogra: hehe
[06:09] <vinic_> hi people! Since I updated to 2.6.8.4, I can't open nautilus anymore... What happened?
[06:09] <lek> it blew up
[06:09] <vinic_> oh
[06:09] <vinic_> :)
[06:09] <dr_willis> vinic_,  try starting it from a xterm and see what error messages it gives. for a start
[06:09] <vinic_> absolutely nothing
[06:09] <adam_> failed to load module v4l, no devices detected, no screens found
[06:10] <adam_> i said no to fb question
[06:10] <dr_willis> so you type 'nautilus' and it just exits?
[06:10] <vinic_> just CR and LF
[06:10] <vinic_> carriage return & Line feed
[06:10] <vinic_> and nothing
[06:10] <thoreauputic> adam_: I can /msg you the full factoid, if you wish
[06:11] <thoreauputic> adam_: shall I /msg you?
[06:11] <adam_> ok
[06:12] <thoreauputic> adam_:  got it?
[06:13] <adam_> yes thanks
[06:13] <vinic_> ooh and i dont get sounds anymore...
[06:13] <vinic_> oh no
[06:13] <vinic_> forget the last point
[06:13] <vinic_> :)
[06:14] <thoreauputic> adam_: if you want to ask the bot in #debian questions, you can just join #debian and do /msg dpkg  (although you'll often get responses like "I have no idea" etc :)
[06:15] <kipod> when i boot/login  the gnome panel doesn't load   how can i run manuly ? does any  onw knows?
[06:15] <anir> thoreauputic: hey i am checking the distros.. but i have to buy them..they are not free
[06:16] <thoreauputic> anir: some are "gratis", some are not. They are mostly free as in "freedom" however
[06:16] <dr_willis> gnome-panel used to be th ecommand to run the panel./
[06:17] <anir> thoreauputic: which all are free?? Mepis is not, nitix is not,
[06:17] <kipod> what's the ecommand ... and y shouldnot i run it with the termenal ?
[06:17] <Kakarotto> hello!
[06:18] <adam_> wow this is frustrating
[06:18] <Kakarotto> what is so frustrating?
[06:18] <adam_> ubuntu wont give me a gui
[06:18] <Kakarotto> a what?
[06:18] <adam_> x wont start
[06:18] <thoreauputic> anir: there's no law that says you can't charge for Linux.  Debian, Slackware, Fedora, Ubuntu, etc etc can all be downloaded without paying..
[06:19] <Kakarotto> maye you're using the wrong video drivers
[06:19] <anir> adam_ what is X
[06:19] <adam_> xfree86
[06:19] <Kakarotto> have you checked your XF86Config?
[06:19] <adam_> What am i looking for?
[06:19] <thoreauputic> anir: X is the engine that gives you your graphic interface, basically
[06:19] <anir> thoreauputic: i am not saying that they cant charge.. but why they call is free s/w then?
[06:19] <kipod> i get this error locale not supported by C library how can i install the locals files ?
[06:19] <anir> thoreauputic: so how will i start X??
[06:20] <thoreauputic> anir:  "free as in freedom" - free to use the source code etc
[06:20] <Kakarotto> adam_: have you looked at your config file?
[06:20] <anir> thoreauputic: so how will i start X ??
[06:21] <Kakarotto> adam_: do you know which is your video card?
[06:21] <Kakarotto> anir: yo know you are using X if you can use your mouse to click things
[06:21] <adam_> I just looked at it
[06:21] <adam_> Nvidia 6800GT
[06:21] <adam_> im using the nv driver
[06:21] <thoreauputic> anir: usually it just starts by default with Ubuntu - you gat a pretty login screen and go from there
[06:21] <Kakarotto> adam_: you must install nvidia drivers
[06:21] <anir> okay
[06:21] <Kakarotto> have you actually downloaded the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com?
[06:21] <adam_> what is the apt command to do that?
[06:22] <Kakarotto> no, you have to get into the website
[06:22] <Kakarotto> apt-get install lynx
[06:22] <Kakarotto> then use lynx (a text interface internet browser)
[06:22] <Kakarotto> to get into the nvidia's site
[06:22] <Kakarotto> or.. if you want i can DCC SEND it to you
[06:23] <kent_> Kakarotto, It is possible to install the nvidia-driver with apt, isn't it?  just enable restricted with apt and your ready to go, or atleast i thought so.
[06:23] <adam_> I tried sudo apt-get install elinks/links/lynx, no good
[06:23] <adam_> w3m works
[06:23] <adam_> i mean its already installed
[06:23] <Kakarotto> kent_: may be.. but nvidia has a text installer which is much more trustable
[06:23] <thoreauputic> anir: you can read about the origins of software freedom in this free online book ;  http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/index.html
[06:24] <anir> thoreauputic: you please post a mail to the ubuntu developers to make it more compitable for gaming in the next version..so that i can play games
[06:24] <Kakarotto> i would use apt to get installed kernel modules like the ATI's one.. but nvidia has an installer, so you just press enter, enter, enter, enter.. and you got it
[06:24] <thoreauputic> anir: hehe - this is open source: you can send a mail to the Ubuntu mailing list if you wish :)
[06:25] <adam_> Thank gor for irssi or i would be totally stuck
[06:25] <anir> thoreauputic: i found the installation a bit problem in linux
[06:25] <thoreauputic> anir: why are you telling me? :)
[06:25] <Kakarotto> adam_ you should use bitchx :)
[06:25] <anir> thoreauputic: sure i will send.. now if u send it too it will be 1+1=11
[06:26] <thoreauputic> anir: you can participate by making your problems known in the forum
[06:26] <adam_> i tried bitchx first, wasnt installed
[06:26] <Kakarotto> but you got apt working
[06:26] <anir> thoreauputic: i thought you could understand.. sorry
[06:26] <adam_> So is it normal to dload from nvidia and install to get x working on ubuntu?
[06:27] <Kakarotto> but wait.. dont add more problems.. lets finish your X issue
[06:27] <thoreauputic> anir: of course I understand :) I'm encouraging you to participate in the community :)
[06:27] <Kakarotto> are you downloading the nvidia's installer?
[06:27] <adam_> shouldnt the nv driver work?
[06:27] <adam_> yes
[06:27] <anir> thoreauputic: how can i join??
[06:27] <Kakarotto> no
[06:27] <Kakarotto> the nv driver is nothing, you have to download the nvidia's offical driver (whichs name is "nvidia", no just "nv")
[06:27] <thoreauputic> anir: if you are running linux you are a member already ;)
[06:27] <vinic_> hi people! Since I updated to 2.6.8.1-4, I can't open nautilus anymore... What happened?
[06:28] <Kakarotto> vinic_: have you tried "whereis nautilus" ?
[06:28] <anir> thoreauputic: okay now i want to post my view.. where can i do that??
[06:28] <vinic_> no
[06:28] <adam_> ok, it looked like it downloaded but there is no file in my dir
[06:28] <adam_> i never use w3m
[06:28] <Kakarotto> try it out.. it will tell you the full path to nautilus, then try to type the full line and that should start nautlius
[06:28] <adam_> links and lynx wont install
[06:29] <thoreauputic> anir:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[06:29] <vinic_> Kakarotto : it founds it
[06:29] <biezt> hi : is my amd 1.3 ghz 256 mb ram good enough for ubuntu and can i install it without any linux knowledge but average pc knowledge ?
[06:29] <anir> thoreauputic: thank you very much
[06:29] <vinic_> Kakarotto : but nautilus wont start
[06:29] <Kakarotto> biezt: Yes.
[06:29] <adam_> Anyone here familiar with w3m?
[06:30] <thoreauputic> anir: welcome to the GNU/Linux community :)
[06:30] <anir> thoreauputic: can virus attack linux?
[06:30] <Kakarotto> biezt: both your questions are Yes.. but you will have to learn some linux on the road :).. AND beware of which video card you do have, because ATI and Nvidia ones are not the easy you would like to get 'em working
[06:30] <thoreauputic> anir: no, not really
[06:30] <anir> thoreauputic: do i need a firewall??
[06:31] <thoreauputic> anir: it would be very hard to write a linux virus
[06:31] <Kakarotto> adam_: i don't like it.. i preffer lynx
[06:31] <thoreauputic> anir: yes, you need a firewall
[06:31] <HcE> anir: you could use a firewall to block out connections you don't want to your computer
[06:31] <adam_> lynx will not install
[06:31] <anir> okay i will download  it
[06:31] <Kakarotto> adam_: but anyway.. if you are having troubles with lynx then let me send you the nvidia installer via IRC
[06:31] <adam_> package not available
[06:31] <siulca> hi eveybody I just finished installing Ubuntu :D
[06:32] <vinic_> congratulations
[06:32] <HcE> adam_: use wget?
[06:32] <anir> is there a firewall with ubuntu?? i got one with fedoracore10.0
[06:32] <adam_> ok whats the path?
[06:32] <Kakarotto> adam_: sure.. the default ubutun source list sucks.. (that MUST BE FIXED in the next release!! if someone is reading this, please!!)
[06:32] <siulca> thanks :)
[06:32] <Kakarotto> please add more sources to apt-setup damn it!
[06:32] <siulca> can I mount NTFS partitions in Ubuntu?
[06:32] <anir> siulca: welcome
[06:32] <HcE> siulca: yes
[06:32] <anir> yes u can
[06:32] <adam_> I need the amd64 nvidia driver
[06:33] <YorHel> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /dir :)
[06:33] <siulca> would you mind telling me how?
[06:33] <Kakarotto> adam_: i will send it to you
[06:33] <JDahl> siulca, only for reading
[06:33] <adam_> ok thanks
[06:33] <Kakarotto> just a minute
[06:33] <siulca> yeah I only need to read my music and films :D
[06:33] <siulca> can set it up so that my NTFS partitions are mounted on boot?
[06:34] <JDahl> siulca, yes.. use "auto" in fstab
[06:34] <adam_> Yeah thats kind of messed up to not have a good list on an install
[06:34] <Kakarotto> adam_: type "wget http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/1.0-6629/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-6629-pkg2.run"
[06:34] <adam_> Also, how come Ubuntu uses xfree not xorg?
[06:34] <adam_> how do i copy that from irssi?
[06:34] <Kakarotto> you should have "wget" package installed because it comes with ubuntu by default
[06:34] <gwildor> hoary uses xorg
[06:34] <siulca> JDahl: right, where can I find fstab?
[06:34] <adam_> is hoary out tyet?
[06:34] <Kakarotto> no man.. do it from the console.. don't use any software like irssi
[06:34] <thoreauputic> siulca: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=windows%20mount%20on%20boot
[06:35] <gwildor> adam_, you can upgrade to it.....
[06:35] <Kakarotto> adam_: those are the Nvidia "AMD64" video drivers
[06:35] <adam_> what is command to do that?  maybe that will fix my problem
[06:35] <Kakarotto> damn i have just told you
[06:35] <Kakarotto> "wget "
[06:35] <biezt> is a 1.3 ghz amd 32 or 64 ?
[06:35] <adam_> no i meant that towards gwildor kak
[06:35] <thoreauputic> siulca: the search function on ubuntulinux.org is quite good :)
[06:35] <Kakarotto> type "wget URL" where URL is the url i just gave you
[06:36] <Kakarotto> http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/1.0-6629/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-6629-pkg2.run
[06:36] <gwildor> biezt, 32.....unless it says 64 in the name....
[06:36] <YorHel> biezt: I guess it's 32...
[06:36] <siulca> THANKS thoreauputic, that's all i should need :p
[06:36] <adam_> the wget command you sent is off the screen now, not sure how i scroll in irssi
[06:36] <Kakarotto> amd64 begins with 2.0ghz
[06:36] <gwildor> adam_, you change your sources.......from warty to hoary
[06:36] <Kakarotto> and i tell you.. if it says "1300+" it isn't really 1.3ghz, and it isn't even a barton architecture
[06:36] <adam_> change my sources and apt-get upgrade and it will fully upgrade my system?
[06:36] <maswan> Kakarotto: Actually, 1.4GHz
[06:37] <Kakarotto> maswan: sure?
[06:37] <maswan> Kakarotto: Yes, I have one.
[06:37] <maswan> Kakarotto: Only opterons that low clocked though, I think. And they are EOLed by now.
[06:37] <Kakarotto> oh ok i was confused
[06:37] <ozzie> hello. i need some help with ubuntu linux could somebody help me
[06:37] <biezt> which version should i down of ubuntu ?
[06:37] <gwildor> adam_, apt-get update......apt-get upgrade
[06:37] <thoreauputic> ozzie: just ask :-)
[06:38] <Kakarotto> download the latest stable
[06:38] <gwildor> isnt there only 1 version atm?
[06:38] <adam_> those commands did nothing
[06:38] <Kakarotto> adam_
[06:38] <adam_> "sudo apt-get update" "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[06:38] <gwildor> adam_, you do that AFTER you change your sourcees
[06:38] <ozzie> i need to know how to run wine. i ran package manager and installed wine but how to i get it to run in command line ?
[06:38] <adam_> where and how do i change my sources?
[06:38] <Kakarotto> stop chit-chatting.. do what i told you a lot of time ago
[06:38] <Kakarotto> adam_ !
[06:38] <llun_ved> has anyone here had issues with USB 25MB key drives in Ubuntu?
[06:38] <llun_ved> 256
[06:38] <adam_> I told you, that is off the screen and i dont know howto scroll in irssi, im stuck in text mode remember
[06:39] <Kakarotto> you can do all the rest from X.. but now yo MUST put all your energies in making X work
[06:39] <Fator_Dee> adam_: PageUp and PageDown
[06:39] <thoreauputic> adam_: page up I believe :)
[06:39] <adam_> o_O  doh!
[06:39] <ozzie> do you know how to run or install wine ?
[06:40] <gwildor> biezt, what kinda computer you got.....prob a 386...then get this < warty-release-install-i386.iso>
[06:40] <Kakarotto> adam_: get out from irssi and get the file with "wget"
[06:40] <Kakarotto> gwildor: what's the difference?
[06:40] <gwildor> Kakarotto, difference of?
[06:40] <llun_ved> hello?
[06:40] <Kakarotto> llun_ved: yes?
[06:41] <JayeAeotiv> hi
[06:41] <Kakarotto> gwildor: of 386 and 686 architectures
[06:41] <llun_ved> just checking
[06:41] <Kakarotto> hi JayeAeotiv, ask
[06:41] <anir> BYE GUYS
[06:41] <anir> TAKE CARE..
[06:41] <Kakarotto> you too
[06:41] <ozzie> i need help to install wine. could somebody help me please ?
[06:41] <anir> THANK YOU ALL FOR UR HELP
[06:41] <Kakarotto> have a happy new year
[06:41] <thoreauputic> Kakarotto: 686  for pentium II and above, I think
[06:41] <gwildor> Kakarotto, there is no 686 iso for ubuntu.......so one must assume he needs the 386 iso
[06:41] <anir> HAPPY NEW YEAR
[06:41] <siulca> I updated my FSTAB. can I reload it without rebooting the pc?
[06:42] <Kakarotto> siulca: do mount -a
[06:42] <llun_ved> bbiab
[06:42] <thoreauputic> anir: and to you  :)
[06:42] <anir> ozzie: go to synaptic
[06:42] <gwildor> Kakarotto, there is also 64bit and ppc, i nneded to kno what kinda computer he has....
[06:42] <siulca> Kakarotto: thanks
[06:42] <anir> thoreauputic: special thank to u. :)
[06:42] <ozzie> yes? now what
[06:42] <thoreauputic> anir:  you're welcome :)
[06:43] <anir> search for wine
[06:43] <Kakarotto> gwildor: ppc = mac?
[06:43] <anir> and install it
[06:43] <ozzie> ok did that
[06:43] <gwildor> Kakarotto, yes
[06:43] <thoreauputic> Kakarotto: more or less, yes
[06:43] <adam_> installation failed, no cc found, check path
[06:43] <ozzie> i installed the package manager now how do i get it to run
[06:43] <adam_> yep gcc isnt installed
[06:43] <Kakarotto> what is the difference within apt and wajig?
[06:43] <JayeAeotiv> I really need to get back to work.
[06:43] <gwildor> Kakarotto, Power pc  ........dats what they call there CPU's.....
[06:43] <anir> ozzie: in the run application menu type wine
[06:43] <ozzie> i installed the package manager for wine now how do i get it to run anir
[06:44] <thoreauputic> adam_:  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:44] <JayeAeotiv> And I put windows on my other partition but it overwrote grub's thing.
[06:44] <ozzie> thanks alot
[06:44] <JayeAeotiv> So now... I can't get back into ubuntu
[06:44] <anir> ozzie: click on run application.. and write wine and run it
[06:44] <Kakarotto> gwildor: mac calls pc their cpu?
[06:44] <naim> hi, how do i rename a user ??
[06:44] <anir> ozzie : u r welcome
[06:44] <Kakarotto> adam_
[06:44] <Kakarotto> listen to me because you are taking me off my nervs
[06:44] <adam_> install failed again, no kernel source tree
[06:44] <thoreauputic> Kakarotto: Power PC I think
[06:45] <thoreauputic> Kakarotto: hence PPC
[06:45] <gwildor> Kakarotto, macs have PPC CPU's, where PC's have "pentium compatable", i guess
[06:45] <adam_> you know what, i selected no to dload from internet on install
[06:45] <siulca> I get a mount point does not exist error :(
[06:45] <Kakarotto> thoreauputic: in what way can you install a linux distro on a mac computer?
[06:45] <adam_> maybe i should reinstall
[06:45] <Kakarotto> siulca: have you checked out your fstab?
[06:45] <naim> i renamed using users-admin .. and renamed  the home directory to the new user's
[06:45] <gwildor> Kakarotto, umm.....you can install just like you would on a PC....just the process is a bit different
[06:46] <Kakarotto> siulca: may be there's a misstype or a wrong path
[06:46] <naim> but gdm does not log me in
[06:46] <vincent__> hi. I did a synaptic update of my packages, and since, nautilus doesnt launch anymore....... please help!
[06:46] <siulca> yes, I'm sure it's right.
[06:46] <thoreauputic> siulca: you probably need to create the mount point directory - the howto should say how
[06:46] <naim> i also did chown -R
[06:46] <adam_> I am going to have a heart attack if I ever get a Ubuntu system up and running with x  :D
[06:46] <Kakarotto> naim: delete it with userdel
[06:46] <Kakarotto> naim: then recreate it
[06:47] <JayeAeotiv> I'm going to have a heart attack if I don't reach my deadline
[06:47] <Kakarotto> and make sure you make a backup of the home dir (including the .bash_history and everything)
[06:47] <Kakarotto> JayeAeotiv: what are you doing?
[06:47] <naim> Kakarotto can i copy the old user's ~ directory ??
[06:47] <ozzie> ok i think i got that to run anir now do i just install stuff like normal to get them to work that is windows format ?
[06:47] <adam_> brb
[06:47] <naim> Kakarotto ok
[06:48] <gwildor> ozzie, i think you do like                wine whatever.exe
[06:48] <JayeAeotiv> I'm working on a reservation system in PHP for work.  But my real problem is I can't find any software on ubuntu to do my work.  And windows overwrote the MBR.  So I can't get back into ubuntu anyway.
[06:48] <siulca> oops, I created a mount directory, now I get the error: special device /dev/hdc3 does not exist
[06:48] <gwildor> JayeAeotiv, you can re-install grub with knoppix or something.....arch even
[06:48] <ozzie> ok gwildor. i will try that now
[06:48] <vegai> JayeAeotiv: what do you need?
[06:49] <thoreauputic> siulca: and does it ?
[06:49] <Kakarotto> naim: of course you can.. so assuming it is "/home/user" just move it out with "mv /home/user /tmp" and then "userdel user ; adduser doggy" assuming the new username will be "doggy", then move in the content of the old directory with "mv /tmp/user/* /home/doggy"
[06:49] <JayeAeotiv> gwildor, I tried that but it's not workn
[06:49] <gwildor> JayeAeotiv, idk then
[06:49] <JayeAeotiv> idk?
[06:49] <gwildor> i dont know
[06:50] <JayeAeotiv> vegai, I need to get grub back.  Or get into ubuntu somehow.
[06:50] <vegai> better get into ubuntu ;)
[06:50] <vegai> I meant what do you need for working
[06:50] <gwildor> lol
[06:50] <Kakarotto> JayeAeotiv : unfortunately, linux distros such like ubuntu use grub in their installer cd
[06:51] <vegai> JayeAeotiv: boot with the ubuntu cd, change to 2nd vt
[06:51] <mob_> someone here uses Hoary?, i have a problem with nautilus :(
[06:51] <vegai> JayeAeotiv: chroot into your ubuntu install and rerun grub
[06:51] <Kakarotto> JayeAeotiv : what I do when i have problems with the booter, is use an old distro CD (such like Slackware 7 or someone else that uses LILO as the installation booter)
[06:51] <siulca> thoreauputic: I think so but I'm not sure... still getting used to the hda1 format!
[06:51] <vincent__> mob_ : it doesn't launch?
[06:51] <JayeAeotiv> I don't need anything... but I believe I can get cvs in linux easier than I can track one down in windows.
[06:52] <siulca> thoreauputic: hda is primary master right?
[06:52] <Kakarotto> JayeAeotiv: so I boot my own system with the instructions that the same cd comes with
[06:52] <vegai> JayeAeotiv: you will probably need to answer the installer's first couple of questions, so it will configure IDE et al
[06:52] <JayeAeotiv> I picked the wrong week to do this.
[06:52] <thoreauputic> siulca: normally /dev/hda1 would be windows and hdc something would be a CD-Rom or similar, unless you have multiple hard drives
[06:52] <siulca> thoreauputic: so if I want the third partition of my secondary master would be hdc3?
[06:53] <Kakarotto> thoreauputic: you're wrong.. "hdc" cant be a cdrom because "hd" means for HARD DRIVE
[06:53] <siulca> thoreauputic: I have two hd, one as primary master and a second as secondary master
[06:53] <JayeAeotiv> I just found a windows cvs... I'll fix this later.
[06:53] <vegai> thoreauputic: hehe ;)
[06:53] <vegai> I mean...
[06:53] <vegai> Kakarotto: hehe ;)
[06:54] <siulca> vegai: hehe ;)
[06:54] <vegai> siulca: hehe
[06:54] <thoreauputic> siulca: frankly I'm not sure about that as I have only a little knowledge of master/slave terminology, but I think a second hard drive is usually /dev/hdb
[06:54] <siulca> everybody: hehehe
[06:54] <vegai> hd[abcd]  is primary master/slave, secondary master/slave respectively. It might be a HD or a dvd-drive
[06:54] <vegai> or whatever you attach on IDE ;)
[06:54] <stvn> siulca: master on first controller is hda,slave is hdb, master on 2nd controller is hdc, slave is hdd
[06:55] <ozzie> gwildor i got a failure status of 1. how do i fix this
[06:55] <Kakarotto> myself: hehehehehe
[06:55] <gwildor> ozzie, idk...never used wine before
[06:55] <Kakarotto> oh yeah
[06:55] <thoreauputic> Kakarotto: umm...  sorry but my cdrw is /dev/hdc
[06:55] <siulca> thanks stvn that cleared it... in that case I want hdc partition 3
[06:55] <thoreauputic> Kakarotto: and my CDROM is /dev/hdd
[06:56] <thoreauputic> Kakarotto: so...
[06:56] <sr> hi
[06:56] <Kakarotto> and mine is /dev/hdb
[06:56] <Kakarotto> :$
[06:56] <mob_> vincent__, it does, i just can't add launchers and i  can't open applications:/// :(
[06:56] <sr> anyone know how to use the good old http://localhost:631/ to configure printers ? the gui assistant is so bad that I can't use it.
[06:57] <sr> it's written Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing.
[06:58] <sr> I just want to add a smb windows remote printer
[06:58] <siulca> how can I see all the partitions in my hard drives?
[06:58] <julll> re ben j'ai toujours le meme probleme
[06:58] <julll> comment je peut faire pour installer xbase client
[06:59] <julll> je me rapelle sur mandrake ya un truc qui s'apelle drackonf
[06:59] <thoreauputic> siulca: sudo fdisk -l
[06:59] <Fator_Dee> julll: english please...
[07:00] <siulca> thanks
[07:00] <thoreauputic> siulca: for instance, sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda  and so on
[07:00] <lerio> hi! i have 2 problems with gdesklets. installing gmail sensor and configuring lt weather. could someone help me please?
[07:01] <siulca> can see them now... it's weird cause I have hdc 1,2,5,6,7 - 3 and 4 are missing!!
[07:01] <thoreauputic> siulca: normal - the hda5 is the first part of the extended partition
[07:02] <kvm> hi guys
[07:02] <kvm> reading me?
[07:02] <thoreauputic> siulca: you can only have 4 primary partitions
[07:02] <siulca> alright that explains why I couldn;t mount hdc3 doh!
[07:02] <lerio> don't run away please!! any guide?
[07:03] <siulca> it's done and mounted  now, many thanks for all the help.
[07:03] <thoreauputic> siulca:  :)
[07:03] <phyberoptix> hello
[07:04] <siulca> thank god there's a Ubuntu channel full of friendly helpfull people, otherwise I think I would have given up on Linux a long time ago :D
[07:04] <siulca> got to go now, many thanks everybody and HAPPY NEW YEAR :)
[07:04] <biezt> is ubuntu installed with kde desktop ?
[07:04] <phyberoptix> gnome
[07:04] <phyberoptix> it says there is already an xserver runnin gon Display :0. Should I try another display number? If you answer no, I will attempt to start the server on :0 again. (You can change consoles by pressing Cntrl+ALT plus a function key, such as Cntrl+Alt+f7 to goto console 7. X Servers usually run on consoles higher than 7.
[07:04] <Riddell> biezt: not by default but you can install KDE
[07:04] <thoreauputic> siulca: there's a nice feeling in this channel - I guess that's what Ubuntu is supposed to mean :)
[07:05] <phyberoptix> i type alt+backspace to reset X but didnt werk
[07:05] <siulca> indead thoreauputic... (btw have you considered changing nickname to something simpler? thoreauputic is a pain to type :p)
[07:05] <Fator_Dee> ctrl+alt+bckspc
[07:05] <thoreauputic> phyberoptix: are you trying to run gnome as root?
[07:06] <Rocha> Hello
[07:06] <phyberoptix> i updated to hoary
[07:06] <siulca> ola :)
[07:06] <thoreauputic> siulca: heh - use thore <tab>
[07:06] <Rocha> Do you know the name of the package that has the midi plugin for firefox?
[07:06] <phyberoptix> i woke up this morning like this
[07:06] <siulca> bye for  nwo
[07:06] <thoreauputic> siulca: it should complete automatically
[07:07] <phyberoptix> well is it trying 2 run xwindows twice
[07:07] <siulca> thoreauputic, genius once again!
[07:07] <thoreauputic> siulca: thank the IRC programmers ;)
[07:07] <lerio> can someone tell me where to find info on installing/configuring gdesklets on ubuntu?
[07:07] <siulca> thoreauputic, yeah
[07:08] <siulca> thoreauputic, now I really gtg... BYE!
[07:08] <thoreauputic> siulca: see you round :)
[07:08] <phyberoptix> thoreauputic is there a standalone install for hoary
[07:09] <thoreauputic> phyberoptix: not as far as I know - but I'm no authority
[07:09] <phyberoptix> =\
[07:09] <Prasatko> i tryed to install xwindows but i made some mistakes, when i login (in graphics) no windows are shown. Only background and mouse. How do I switch back to text mode? or how do I login in text mode?
[07:09] <vincent__> hi. I did a synaptic update of my packages, and since, nautilus doesnt launch anymore....... please help!
[07:09] <thoreauputic> phyberoptix: maybe for developers - google might know?
[07:10] <phyberoptix> im just donna get fedora =\
[07:10] <phyberoptix> *gonna
[07:10] <thoreauputic> vincent__: this is Hoary, right?
[07:10] <vincent__> thoreauptic : no
[07:10] <vincent__> thoreauptic : warty
[07:10] <gwildor> hmmm
[07:11] <thoreauputic> vincent__: hmm :(
[07:11] <gwildor> any foriegn repos?
[07:11] <gwildor> errr...non-ubuntu repos?
[07:11] <vincent__> yeh I did check all... :/
[07:12] <gwildor> thats ok...those are all ubuntu repos
[07:12] <gwildor> hmmm
[07:12] <gwildor> you shoulda onlt got security updates.....
[07:12] <gwildor> s/onlt/only
[07:12] <vincent__> yeh, but I needed other repos'softs
[07:13] <vincent__> and forgot to uncheck before upadting
[07:13] <gwildor> oh......
[07:13] <gwildor> what repos
[07:13] <vincent__> universe...
[07:13] <vincent__> i guess
[07:13] <vincent__> as I checked all
[07:13] <gwildor> thoreauputic, is updating with universe a problem???.....
[07:14] <Fator_Dee> does "nautulis --check" give any info
[07:14] <gwildor> i dont think that having warty universe and multiverse matters
[07:14] <thoreauputic> gwildor: shouldn't be
[07:14] <gwildor> thoreauputic, thats what i thought
[07:14] <vincent__> that's a good point! :)
[07:14] <gwildor> thoreauputic, ive never used warty, so idk
[07:15] <gwildor> nor do i use nautilus
[07:15] <biezt> does ubunto auto detect stuff like a lan/internet connection ?
[07:15] <thoreauputic> neither do I - I use rox filer in fact
[07:15] <gwildor> me too....with flux
[07:16] <gwildor> biezt, it did for me...ar you direct to your modem?
[07:16] <thoreauputic> gwildor: same here :)
[07:16] <biezt> no with hub
[07:16] <gwildor> thoreauputic, lol.....
[07:16] <gwildor> biezt, it should......should
[07:16] <thoreauputic> gwildor: great minds... hehe ;)
[07:16] <gwildor> lol
[07:16] <vincent__> another minor thing is that my wallpaper disapeared
[07:16] <gwildor> thoreauputic, i "heard" that the new version will use nautilus.....
[07:16] <biezt> i'm gonna use linux for a server, but i know @#%$ about it so i wanna start with a user friendly version :P
[07:17] <gwildor> vincent__, wallpaper is controlled my nautilus
[07:17] <vincent__> that's why...
[07:17] <gwildor> lol
[07:17] <vincent__> ok
[07:17] <vincent__> :)
[07:17] <thoreauputic> biezt: If you know @#%$ about it I doubt that you should run a server :)
[07:17] <gwildor> try to re-intall nautilus
[07:17] <gwildor> vincent__,
[07:18] <phyberoptix> well shit
[07:18] <gwildor> ?
[07:18] <phyberoptix> i guess i will uninstall ubuntu
[07:18] <gwildor> lol...go for it :)
[07:18] <vincent__> hehe, worth a try!
[07:18] <ubik> hi guys
[07:18] <vincent__> ;)
[07:18] <phyberoptix> well
[07:18] <biezt> it's 2 learn how to run a server :O
[07:18] <ubik> need apt-get help here
[07:18] <biezt> just an eggdrop :P
[07:18] <gwildor> ubik, shoot
[07:18] <Ne0n> When will UBUNTU make an boot disk and a Net-Install options for us who have PCMCIA NICs :)
[07:18] <biezt> and maybe a ftp P
[07:19] <phyberoptix> i got to console by hitting Alt Cntl F6
[07:19] <thoreauputic> biezt: if you really want to learn, dive in and install Slackware without X :)
[07:19] <gwildor> Ne0n, i suggest asking that on the list......
[07:19] <gwildor> thoreauputic, dont scare the kid
[07:20] <thoreauputic> gwildor: hehe
[07:20] <gwildor> biezt, id say ubuntu is a good start, easy to get going and play with
[07:20] <ubik> gwildor, 10x. see, i am using a pppoe connection on LAN, yet for updating through apt-get i have set up a proxy on my work machine/running ubuntu:)/ how do i tell apt-get to use that proxy for connecting kto the repositories?
[07:20] <Dekkard> just a note.. there is a script called fbsetbg that you can use for changing backgrounds under flux..blackbox..openbox..wmaker et al
[07:20] <vincent__> gwildor : reinstalling did nothing better
[07:20] <gwildor> ubik, lol, i have no idea..........
[07:21] <thoreauputic> gwildor: my point about installing servers was really, there are some security issues worth learning first
[07:21] <gwildor> vincent__, did you purge?...do complete removal from synaptic
[07:21] <vincent__> no
[07:21] <vincent__> I'll try
[07:22] <gwildor> thoreauputic, i see your point......but he jsut wants to learn a bit aobut servers, slack would prob scare the linux out of him, i know it would me.....
[07:22] <gwildor> thoreauputic, lol, i guess security will come when he gets hacked....lol
[07:23] <ubik> gwildor, now i found a howto for modifying the apt.conf to do so, yet there is no apt.conf in ubuntu:(
[07:23] <thoreauputic> Dekkard: yes, unfortunately in Gnome fbsetbg doesn't set a background because nautilus insists on handling the desktop unless you launch it with ` nautilus --no-desktop` or something like that
[07:23] <gwildor> ubik, above me..... thoreauputic, you have any idea
[07:23] <thoreauputic> Dekkard: nice script for the other wm though
[07:24] <Dekkard> sorry.. i thought you were discussing losing bakcground under fluxbox..
[07:24] <gwildor> tis ok.....its a gnome/nautilus issue
[07:24] <thoreauputic> Dekkard: hard to do in fluxbox since you pretty much tell it where to find it yourself :)
[07:24] <gwildor> lol
[07:25] <Dekkard> could it be that you need to readd you wallpapers to the  choose background dialogue?
[07:25] <thoreauputic> so you tend to know where your towel is in fluxbox (hitch-hikers guide and all that ..)
[07:26] <gwildor> Dekkard, he is having major nautilus issues, but was concerned with his missing BG....i was just letting him know that nautilus controls the BG
[07:26] <Dekkard> everything is pretty much manual
[07:26] <tiago> hi there, I'm trying to execute make in a source but it can't find some libraries like signal.h, string.h, etc. I did install the kernel headers, which other package have I to install?
[07:26] <vincent__> gwildor : removing nautilus will require ubuntu-desktop to be removed too. Is it possible then?
[07:26] <gwildor> vincent__, yeah....
[07:26] <tsw> Is there some way to see which user is behind some connection with netstat?
[07:26] <vincent__> well, let's go
[07:26] <thoreauputic> Dekkard: "in Soviet Russia, your background controls YOU!" (  /.)
[07:26] <gwildor> vincent__, ubuntu-desktop is ok to get rid of.....but you can jsut re-install it if you want...
[07:27] <Dekkard> Da?
[07:27] <tiago> gwildor, could you help-me?
[07:27] <gwildor> tiago, no idea....sorry
[07:27] <thoreauputic> Nyet!
[07:27] <JDahl> thoreauputic, I thought they moved on to "In Japan only old people use backgrounds"
[07:27] <tiago> gwildor, np thx
[07:27] <vincent__> gwildor , ok then, givin a try
[07:27] <gwildor> vincent__, kk...good luck
[07:27] <Dekkard> is thoreauputic  russki?
[07:27] <thoreauputic> JDahl: nah,, that's in KOrea!
[07:28] <JDahl> right..
[07:28] <thoreauputic> Dekkard: MAte, I'm an OZ!
[07:28] <gwildor> OZ?
[07:28] <Dekkard> oh..ok.. no worries
[07:28] <thoreauputic> gwildor: .au
[07:28] <gwildor> kkj
[07:28] <gwildor> kk
[07:28] <thoreauputic> ;)
[07:28] <gwildor> <------stupid american
[07:29] <Dekkard> no I'M th estupid american
[07:29] <thoreauputic> gwildor: hey, my mother was American! Don't insult my mother!
[07:29] <gwildor> if you must
[07:29] <gwildor> thoreauputic, i am sorry......
[07:29] <thoreauputic> hahah
[07:29] <gwildor> lol
[07:30] <thoreauputic> or should I say...mwuhahaha
[07:30] <gwildor> god?
[07:30] <gwildor> rofl
[07:30] <linuxjones> tiago, did you install build-essential ?
[07:30] <K-otiK> how do you see how big a directory is from terminal?
[07:30] <JDahl> K-otiK, du -h .
[07:30] <tiago> humm, linuxjones nope, but I cant find it using apt-cache
[07:30] <thoreauputic> err... trusty sword, maybe...
[07:31] <tiago> linuxjones, ops
[07:31] <linuxjones> tiago, do apt-get update first
[07:31] <thoreauputic> no, rusty was right
[07:31] <tiago> linuxjones, I found it
[07:31] <gwildor> lol
[07:31] <linuxjones> tiago, :)
[07:31] <tiago> linuxjones, I'll go install, thx
[07:31] <linuxjones> tiago, GL
[07:31] <gwildor> vincent__, any luck?
[07:33] <vincent__> gwildor , hmmm, it seems like files are not REALLY purged
[07:33] <vincent__> so it's not REALLY re-installed
[07:33] <gwildor> vincent__, idk..... linuxjones?
[07:34] <gwildor> vincent__, did you do anything.....or just upgrade?
[07:34] <gwildor> any devs?
[07:34] <vincent__> just upgrade, I guess
[07:34] <vincent__> I do many things
[07:34] <gwildor> lol
[07:34] <vincent__> I just doesnt watch ubuntu! :)
[07:34] <gwildor> but warty should only get security upgrades, i dont see how that would break nautilus.....
[07:34] <Rocha> How can I listen to midis inside firefox?
[07:35] <tiago> linuxjones, have we build-essential on ubuntu install cd 4.10? Do you know?
[07:35] <drspin> I got a question... without using X-over Office is quicktime available?? more specifically a plugin for Firefox
[07:35] <vincent__> Rocha, try to install nautilus-media
[07:35] <Rocha> vincent__, ok, i'll try
[07:35] <gwildor> drspin, i think that the mplayer plugin plays quicktime......not 100% positive though
[07:36] <linuxjones> tiago, do you not have Internet access ?
[07:36] <linuxjones> tiago, it's probalby not on the cd
[07:36] <vincent__> gwildor, in synaptic, when I reinstall the nautilus and ubuntu-desktop packages, it says that they are already installed, althought I did just removed them...
[07:36] <vincent__> How can I really purge
[07:36] <vincent__> ?
[07:37] <thoreauputic> I think build-essential would be in universe
[07:37] <gwildor> vincent__, give me a sec, let me try
[07:37] <tiago> linuxjones, heh yes I do, but it's so bad :)
[07:37] <vincent__> ok
[07:37] <vincent__> thx
[07:37] <gwildor> nautilus
[07:37] <linuxjones> vincent apt-get remove --purge "packagename"
[07:37] <linuxjones> tiago, don't think it's on the cd so I think your out of luck :D
[07:37] <drspin> gwildor: do you know if the mozilla-plugin will automatically work with firefox or will I have to copy the plugin into the firefox plugins directory?
[07:38] <gwildor> drspin, umm, it just worked for me.....
[07:38] <vincent__> linuxjones, thx I'll try that
[07:38] <drspin> gwildor: perhaps it will do the same for me :)
[07:38] <thoreauputic> got to go - have fun all !
[07:38] <gwildor> drspin, hopefully :)
[07:38] <gwildor> thoreauputic, laters
[07:38] <Rocha> vincent__, still doesn't work.
[07:39] <Rocha> I have already installed timidity+ and mozplugger but it still doesn't work.
[07:39] <vincent__> gwildor, you mean it really redownload and install it?
[07:39] <gwildor> vincent__, synaptic removed it for me.....
[07:39] <gwildor> vincent__, yeah....
[07:39] <vincent__> and if you reinstall?
[07:40] <vincent__> the
[07:40] <vincent__> yeh*
[07:40] <gwildor> vincent__, let me re-install
[07:40] <phyberoptix> =(
[07:40] <gwildor> it happens
[07:40] <phyberoptix> after 2hrs of updates @ 60kbps
[07:40] <phyberoptix> =(
[07:40] <gwildor> ewwwwww
[07:40] <gwildor> sorry
[07:41] <phyberoptix> if i was on dialup i would really be pissed
[07:41] <gwildor> lol
[07:41] <gwildor> neaaarly are
[07:41] <phyberoptix> but dsl helps the pissery some
[07:41] <vincent__> it doesnt re download the packages, right?
[07:41] <drspin> This movie is going to KICK ASS!!! (quicktime trailer) http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/sin_city.html
[07:41] <gwildor> vincent__, nope.....you have to do apt-get clean first....then it will re-download
[07:41] <vincent__> ok
[07:41] <phyberoptix> gwildor u sayin im close to dialup?"
[07:41] <drspin> gwildor: it worked!
[07:42] <phyberoptix> dialup on downloads at 4kbps
[07:42] <gwildor> phyberoptix, eww....sorry, never had it..
[07:42] <phyberoptix> lol
[07:42] <phyberoptix> yeah its bad
[07:43] <gwildor> drspin, lol, i dont have the plugin atm......
[07:43] <phyberoptix> i had it 3 yrs ago
[07:43] <gwildor> phyberoptix, im sorry to hear that
[07:43] <phyberoptix> now im on 512dsl line
[07:43] <drspin> I did a full gentoo install on a 28.8 dialup conXion...
[07:43] <phyberoptix> i feel sry for you
[07:43] <drspin> that took about 4 days just to get X working...
[07:43] <gwildor> phyberoptix, i think ive used dialup maybe 2 mins total....
[07:43] <Rocha> drspin, how many years for downloading all software?
[07:43] <ColeT> Quick question: I switched this morning to using sawfish from metacity (thanks again ogra!) but have a new very minor problem.  Sawfish likes to start up it's own pager besides the gnome one.  It's easy enough to close it each time I log in, but I was wondering if there was an easy way to get rid of that little annoyance?
[07:44] <Rocha> There are really some crazy people!
[07:44] <drspin> ROCHA: I was using precompiled binaries too :S
[07:44] <Rocha> 4 days just to get some milliseconds
[07:45] <gen> idiot
[07:45] <drspin> LOL - and that wasn't even with anything configured yet -- just X using Vesa
[07:45] <MoNDaRiZ> hi, any idea to install support to ati sound card (0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller)
[07:45] <gwildor> phyberoptix, well, i guess i will too then
[07:45] <vincent__> gwildor, it does the same shit with apt-get
[07:45] <phyberoptix> gwildor, how else do you install linux?
[07:45] <gwildor> vincent__, hmmm, it removed for me......
[07:46] <vincent__> it doesnt really purge
[07:46] <gwildor> phyberoptix, hahahahahaha
[07:46] <vincent__> damit
[07:46] <drspin> *tray
[07:46] <phyberoptix> the first requirment in linux install (speshully if you just dpwnload 200mb of updates for no reason) is to have sum kronix
[07:46] <phyberoptix> wanna see a blunt pic?
[07:47] <phyberoptix> i have one on my win server
[07:47] <phyberoptix> www.phyberoptix.com/bunt.gif
[07:47] <phyberoptix> erm
[07:47] <phyberoptix> try blunt.gif
[07:48] <K-otiK> is there a tool where i can download everything in a websites directory?
[07:48] <gwildor> lol...
[07:48] <K-otiK> using the terminall?
[07:48] <drspin> your server is slow :/
[07:48] <ColeT> K-otiK: Look at wget
[07:48] <phyberoptix> gwildor did u see the pic?
[07:49] <gwildor> phyberoptix, its loading....lol
[07:49] <MoNDaRiZ> K-otiK, any application teleport style ?
[07:49] <phyberoptix> dont laff at my paintbrush file editing to make it smaller
[07:49] <phyberoptix> its was 10gigs when i first scanner it
[07:49] <phyberoptix> erm
[07:49] <phyberoptix> 10mb
[07:49] <kebac> why gif
[07:49] <drspin> really
[07:49] <drspin> jpeg or PNG
[07:49] <phyberoptix> i dont do nutin with graphix
[07:49] <gwildor> lol
[07:50] <gwildor> its a huge pic
[07:50] <phyberoptix> im a hardware guy
[07:50] <ogra> phyberoptix: you should really clean your sacnner, there are a lot of little dots in the pic *g*
[07:50] <Frafraxy> hi all
[07:50] <drspin> hahaha
[07:50] <phyberoptix> ogra that was paintbrush =\
[07:50] <ogra> ColeT: once sawfish had a config tool
[07:50] <drspin> that the GIF file...
[07:50] <ColeT> ogra: sawfish-ui?
[07:50] <ogra> phyberoptix: i know, was kidding ;)
[07:50] <Frafraxy> can you link me the page for install ati drivers?
[07:50] <vincent__> gwildor ! I managed to really purge doin "apt-get clean" but reinstalling nautilus finally doesnt work
[07:51] <ogra> ColeT: cant you switch it off with that ?
[07:51] <phyberoptix> also if you want ebooks
[07:51] <vincent__> :/
[07:51] <phyberoptix> www.phyberotix.com/ebooks
[07:51] <gwildor> vincent__, run it past ogra......
[07:51] <vincent__> ?
[07:51] <phyberoptix> www.phyberoptix.com/ebooks
[07:51] <ColeT> ogra: I didn't see an option in there ... I'll look again though.
[07:51] <phyberoptix> there
[07:51] <ogra> gwildor: whats the prob ?
[07:51] <drspin> The image http://phynet.sytes.net/blunt.gif cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.
[07:51] <ogra> hehe
[07:51] <phyberoptix> hrm
[07:51] <gwildor> ogra, his warty nautilus is broke after a upgrade
[07:51] <pmfp> "A comprehensive experiment to evaluate the effectiveness of more aggressive processor optimisations for all Ubuntu packages is planned after the Warty release." -- Ubuntu homepage
[07:51] <drspin> I think your server load was maxed there for a second
[07:51] <Frafraxy> ogra: where are the page for ati drivers?
[07:51] <drspin> ;)
[07:51] <pmfp> Have you done that yet?
[07:52] <MoNDaRiZ> K-otiK, try HTTrack (HTTrack is an offline browser utility, allowing you to download a World
[07:52] <MoNDaRiZ> Wide website from the Internet to a local directory)
[07:52] <ogra> Frafraxy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:52] <Frafraxy> thanks a lot
[07:52] <ogra> gwildor: to hoary ?
[07:52] <vincent__> ogra, my nautilus is broken after an synaptic update
[07:52] <vincent__> warty
[07:52] <gwildor> ogra, nope, just warty upgrade
[07:53] <ogra> vincent__: ah, ok....
[07:53] <phyberoptix> ok
[07:53] <MoNDaRiZ> but, this drivers are 3d aceleration via open GL, no ?
[07:53] <ogra> vincent__: broken in which way ?
[07:53] <phyberoptix> this time
[07:53] <phyberoptix> how should i update
[07:53] <vincent__> doesnt launch
[07:53] <vincent__> ogra, I just reinstalled it with ubuntu-desktop
[07:53] <ogra> vincent__: have you looked if there is already one thats stuck ?
[07:54] <ogra> vincent__: try: ps ax|grep nautils
[07:54] <vincent__> ogra, when I kill them all, one is re-appearing on his own one sec after
[07:54] <ogra> vincent__: do you have any nfs or samba mounts ?
[07:54] <gwildor> ogra, thank you......i couldnt help anymore
[07:55] <vincent__> ogra, no
[07:55] <ColeT> ogra: The sawfish-ui thing doesn't seem to have an option to turn the pager off.  Any other thoughts?  8)
[07:55] <Fator_Dee> vincent__: I had a similar problem a few days ago, did all kinds of magic tricks to get it working and in frustration rebooted, that worked :-|
[07:55] <vincent__> gwildor, thanks for help!
[07:55] <ogra> vincent__: hmm, i know this behavior only from stuck network mounts.....
[07:55] <gwildor> vincent__, i tried :)
[07:55] <ogra> vincent__: probably a stuck cdrom ?
[07:56] <gwildor> vincent__, yeah, try a restart.....
[07:56] <vincent__> Fator_Dee, I remember, I was there, but it does it from several boot
[07:56] <ogra> ColeT: dunno, i could only point you to google, last time i used sawfish was gnome 1.x
[07:56] <ColeT> ogra: *grin*  Thanks for the help anyway.  Do you use gnome?  If so, are you using metacity?
[07:57] <ogra> ColeT: sure, i use ubuntu default (with calendar ;) )
[07:57] <gwildor> ColeT, what is sawfish?
[07:57] <vincent__>  8316 ?        Ss     0:00 nautilus --sm-config-prefix /nautilus-2vbnXJ/ --sm-client-id 117f000001000110407914800000236580001 --screen 0
[07:57] <phyberoptix> anyone know pikewyn ?
[07:57] <phyberoptix> pikkewyn
[07:58] <ogra> vincent__: i'm pretty sure something in your filesystem is stuck.....normally a unmaount of the device/network mount with option -l helps here, but if you dont have any .....
[07:58] <ColeT> gwildor: It's just another window manager.  It's a lot more configurable than the default of metacity.  Metacity is nicer for new users and I think it has a smaller memory footprint, but I'm willing to trade.
[07:59] <gwildor> ColeT, oh...ok.....fluxing it up here
[08:00] <ColeT> Yeah - I played with flux for a while.  It seemed pretty nice too.  I like sawfish's method of doing keybindings a little better.  It's a little easier.
[08:00] <ogra> vincent__: we could start to randomly shoot processes or you do a reboot ....
[08:00] <abelli> well why not ion then?
[08:00] <ogra> abelli: lol
[08:01] <vincent__> ogra, I'm gonna try a reboot as I reinstalled
[08:01] <ogra> k
[08:01] <vincent__> If it doesnt solve, I'll be back! ;)
[08:01] <stianh> I am seeing some danish and swedish words in Ubuntu, this is a fresh install and I selected Norwegian during installation :O
[08:01] <vincent__> brb
[08:02] <ogra> stianh: sorry, known bug.... there might be some help in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[08:03] <abelli> ogra: could you please suggest today's program-to-be-tried
[08:03] <ogra> abelli: ??
[08:03] <ogra>  today's program-to-be-tried ?
[08:03] <abelli> ogra: i want to install something..
[08:03] <ogra> ah, k
[08:03] <phyberoptix> how  can i just upgrade xchat
[08:04] <ogra> lemme think
[08:04] <phyberoptix> apt-get update
[08:04] <phyberoptix> apt-get install xchat
[08:04] <phyberoptix> ?
[08:04] <stianh> ogra: okey
[08:04] <abelli> phyberoptix: apt-get upgrade xchat?
[08:04] <phyberoptix> ahhh
[08:04] <phyberoptix> thanx
[08:04] <gwildor> phyberoptix, just do it from synaptic....
[08:04] <phyberoptix> ?
[08:04] <gwildor> mark for upgrade
[08:04] <ogra> phyberoptix: depends if there is a newer version (i doubt that)
[08:04] <phyberoptix> wtf is synaptic
[08:04] <ogra> phyberoptix: computer->system tools
[08:04] <gwildor> lol.......graphical front end for apt
[08:04] <stianh> phyberoptix, a gui frontend for apt-get
[08:05] <abelli> phyberoptix: a packet manager
[08:05] <phyberoptix> warty uses 2.0.8 (Highly Exploitable)
[08:05] <abelli> phyberoptix: front-end
[08:05] <ogra> phyberoptix: the fixes are in
[08:05] <abelli> phyberoptix: well u can use irssi
[08:05] <phyberoptix> see i havent used nix since 2001
[08:05] <phyberoptix> everything changd so much
[08:05] <ogra> phyberoptix: security fixes get backported
[08:05] <abelli> phyberoptix: u need to do a dist-upgrade
[08:06] <ogra> phyberoptix: safest is to use a drum to communicate....absolutely no security issues ;)
[08:06] <phyberoptix> ummm
[08:06] <phyberoptix> i did apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:06] <phyberoptix> last nite
[08:06] <phyberoptix> and now im reinstalling
[08:06] <abelli> phyberoptix: why?
[08:07] <ogra> abelli: etherape
[08:07] <phyberoptix> cuz something fucked up while i was asleep
[08:07] <gwildor> lol
[08:07] <JDahl> I hate it when that happens
[08:07] <gwildor> yeah
[08:07] <phyberoptix> x was all fucked
[08:07] <gwildor> i cry whe x breaks
[08:08] <phyberoptix> lol
[08:08] <phyberoptix> well you woulda creid after updating for 2 hours and then it breaks
[08:08] <abelli> phyberoptix: don't worry..
[08:08] <gwildor> yeah...
[08:08] <ogra> phyberoptix: somnambulist ?
[08:08] <abelli> phyberoptix: enjoy the chakra's opening..
[08:08] <phyberoptix> hmmm
[08:08] <abelli> phyberoptix: enjoy trying to fix it
[08:09] <ogra> hehe
[08:09] <drspin> does anyone know of an FXP like app for Linux?
[08:09] <phyberoptix> well my firnd pikkawyn told me to come here
[08:09] <phyberoptix> she uses this server
[08:09] <JDahl> phyberoptix, but whatever you do... for the love of God - dont go back to sleep; that's when bad things happen to your system
[08:09] <gwildor> rofl
[08:09] <ogra> hehe
[08:09] <vinic_> ogra, well, I'm back....
[08:09] <ogra> vinic_: and ?
[08:09] <phyberoptix> JDahl ... it was 3am
[08:10] <vinic_> :)
[08:10] <ogra> great :)
[08:10] <phyberoptix> i wuz really tired
[08:10] <vinic_> doesnt work
[08:10] <phyberoptix> i just want upgrade at 3am anywmore
[08:10] <ogra> weird
[08:10] <abelli> phyberoptix: well did you reinstall?
[08:10] <phyberoptix> yup
[08:10] <vinic_> ogra, you said it
[08:10] <JDahl> there might be potential for a bluck-buster Revenge of The Nerds meets Nightmare on Elmstreet here
[08:10] <phyberoptix> im updating during install
[08:10] <abelli> well.. when something with x breaks.. just come here..
[08:11] <abelli> daniels is kindly open to insults
[08:11] <JDahl> s/bluck/block/
[08:11] <phyberoptix> howabout i just sit here
[08:11] <ogra> vinic_: could you create another user and check if it happens there too ?
[08:11] <phyberoptix> im already on 3irc servers why not 4?
[08:11] <dax5_> hello
[08:11] <vinic_> ogra, yep
[08:11] <vinic_> gonna try
[08:11] <dax5_> i'm having a problem loading a module
[08:11] <ogra> yep
[08:11] <method55> is there a vnc program included with ubuntu?
[08:11] <method55> vnc viewer
[08:12] <dax5_> yes
[08:12] <method55> where is it located/ what is it called
[08:12] <dax5_> vncviewer
[08:12] <method55> okay
[08:12] <ogra> method55: Computer->Desktop Settings (server) Applications-> Internet ->Terminal Server Cilent
[08:13] <Frafraxy> hi
[08:13] <ogra> method55: ahh, sorry, Desktop Settings->Remote Desktop that is....
[08:13] <Frafraxy> i've installed tuxracer
[08:13] <dax5_> what could be the reason the option io=0x300 to ne module is not used?
[08:13] <vinic_> and it always take a while to shutdown....
[08:13] <Frafraxy> but i don't know how to run it
[08:14] <dax5_> I mean it is in modules.conf created with modutils
[08:14] <ogra> dax5_: how do you specify it ?
[08:14] <gwildor> tuxracer from command
[08:14] <dax5_> but it always acts like it wasn't
[08:14] <spikeb> tuxracer doesnt work for me
[08:14] <ogra> dax5_: doesnt work...unless you downgraded to 2.4
[08:14] <drspin> "tuxracer &"
[08:14] <soumyadip> hi, I'm primarily using my dialup to access the internet, but my motherboard has an inbuilt LAN card
[08:14] <drspin> is what I use
[08:14] <ogra> dax5_: add the module to /etc/modules....
[08:14] <spikeb> i just assumed it was broken
[08:14] <soumyadip> how do I make ppp the default interface
[08:15] <dax5_> ogra it is there and a file at /etc/modutils
[08:15] <ogra> dax5_: like that: ne io=0x300
[08:15] <dax5_> options ne io=0x300
[08:15] <K-otiK> what prog can i use to download everything froma website directory?
[08:15] <ogra> dax5_: nope, ignore that file
[08:15] <spikeb> wget
[08:15] <ogra> dax5_: it does nothing
[08:15] <method55> thank you
[08:15] <dax5_> ok,
[08:15] <soumyadip> e.g. till now I was getting around 3 KB/s but on doing ifdown eth0 i've started getting 7 KB/s
[08:15] <dax5_> has that modutils being removed from ubuntu???
[08:15] <ogra> dax5_: like i said above, /etc/modules
[08:16] <ogra> dax5_: it is for 2.4 kernels
[08:16] <Frafraxy> see in #flood
[08:16] <dax5_> ah
[08:16] <ogra> dax5_: ubuntu uses 2.6
[08:16] <dax5_> thx ogra
[08:16] <ubuntu> so I'm having trouble configuring my wireless card
[08:16] <Frafraxy> i run tuxracer
[08:17] <Frafraxy> but the images are not clean
[08:17] <dax5_> bye, rebooting...
[08:17] <seymour> hi. how can i stop undesired services in ubuntu? is there an utility to do that?
[08:17] <drspin> Fra: did you install the correct drivers for your video card?
[08:18] <ogra> seymour: remove the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d
[08:18] <Frafraxy> i've done that was written in the wiki page of ubuntu
[08:19] <drspin> for you Nvidia or ATI card?
[08:19] <ogra> Frafraxy: what framrate does glxgears show ?
[08:20] <Frafraxy> 9415 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1883.000 FPS
[08:20] <ogra> Frafraxy: thats quite ok
[08:20] <JDahl> seymour, if you dont want to stop it permanently you can do /etc/init.d/<service> stop... many of of them can also be reconfigured with dpkg-reconfigure to avoid starting at boot. That's better than removing links (whenever possible)
[08:20] <abelli> ogra: do you remember what "fogo na bomba" means?
[08:21] <anir> hey guys
[08:21] <ogra> JDahl: ah, yay, thats a good one...(i was already waiting for the update-rc.d debate)
[08:21] <seymour> what's the default opened 708 port for? :D
[08:21] <ogra> abelli: nope
[08:21] <anir> using which application i will open my "executable" files??
[08:21] <ogra> seymour: fam ?
[08:21] <seymour> ogra, hi. do i need it?
[08:21] <seymour> ogra, what's it for?
[08:21] <anir> ogra: using which application i will open my "executable" files??
[08:22] <ogra> seymour: but it should be only open to localhost....
[08:22] <ogra> anir: /bin/bash ?
[08:22] <Frafraxy> bzflag work very good
[08:22] <anir> orga: ??
[08:23] <scizzo> anir: what kind of files?
[08:23] <ogra> seymour: fam cares for changed fiels in dirs, it shows if a file is created or removed to the filemanager....without it you would have to reload the windw to see changes
[08:23] <seymour> the ubuntu gnome is compiled so well. the whole system only eats 80 ram, when nothing's used
[08:23] <anir> ogra: for example i have this "clock-applet" which is a "executable file".. now how will i open it?
[08:23] <spikeb> nice seymour
[08:23] <vinic_> ogra, we're getting closer! Nautilus works with new user
[08:23] <vinic_> arf
[08:24] <seymour> spikeb, you're telling me. on the unstable debian, the system took 150 megs of ram in that state
[08:24] <ogra> anir: you just run it (either from a terminal or with the "run application" tool from the Apps menu)
[08:25] <spikeb> seymour, ew
[08:25] <ogra> vinic_: so your config is broken for the defaultuser obviously....did you eve run nautilus as root ?
[08:25] <vinic_> ogra, with sudo but not as root
[08:25] <vinic_> :)
[08:26] <ogra> vinic_: thats the sam....it breaks everything....
[08:26] <ogra> same
[08:26] <vinic_> dam it
[08:26] <vinic_> :/
[08:26] <anir> ogra: i tried to run 3dc it says "Details: There is no default action associated with this location."
[08:26] <ogra> anir: with the terminal ?
[08:27] <anir> how will i run there?? ogra
[08:27] <anir> ogra: the command??
[08:27] <ogra> anir: /path/to/the/file/you/want/to/run
[08:27] <ogra> anir: thats all
[08:27] <vinic_> ogra, so i need to delete Xauthority? right?
[08:28] <abelli> ciao a tutti im off
[08:28] <anir> ogra: as a root?
[08:28] <ogra> vinic_: nope...there are a big amount of hidden config and metafiles nautilus uses....
[08:28] <vinic_> dam it...
[08:28] <ogra> anir: nope
[08:28] <anir> ogra: yes its running..but how will i create a shortcut for it??
[08:29] <ogra> anir: right click in the menu or go to applications:// in anutilus....create a launcher
[08:29] <ogra> nautilus
[08:30] <anir> okay
[08:30] <ogra> vinic_: you could start through with: sudo chown $USER ~/.nautilus
[08:30] <ogra> vinic_: then: sudo chown $USER ~/.gconf*
[08:30] <ogra> vinic_: then: sudo chown $USER ~/.gnome*
[08:31] <ogra> vinic_: if it still doesnt work i'm out of ideas.....i think only the nautilus devs know how many metafiles are used by nautilus
[08:31] <vinic_> not enough arguments
[08:32] <stianh> is monodevelop in universe under a different name/short?
[08:32] <spikeb> its not in universe
[08:32] <stianh> or there at all
[08:32] <stianh> ok
[08:32] <spikeb> there is a repo that has monoi
[08:32] <spikeb> let me find it
[08:32] <ogra> vinic_: works fine here...did you just copy n paste ?
[08:33] <vinic_> changing USER...
[08:33] <spikeb> stianh, add this to your sources.list deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ./
[08:33] <ogra> vinic_: why?
[08:33] <ogra> vinic_: copy n paste should just work....
[08:34] <vinic_> ok
[08:34] <vinic_> :)
[08:34] <ogra> vinic_: ahh, stop...for recursive add a -R behind chown
[08:34] <vinic_> I thought USER was to changr
[08:34] <vinic_> oh
[08:34] <vinic_> ok
[08:34] <ogra> vinic_: nope, but its $USER
[08:34] <ogra> important
[08:34] <ogra> the $
[08:36] <drspin> how do I disconnect a user (and in turn kill all their spawned processes)
[08:36] <ogra> drspin: install slay
[08:36] <stianh> spikeb, thanks :)
[08:36] <whatnow> if I can see wireless networks using "iwlist wlan0 scan", is there a reason I'm having trouble using my wireless card?
[08:36] <drspin> ogra - thanks
[08:37] <whatnow> basically I used ndiswrapper to install the drivers for my linksys (wmp54gv4) card
[08:37] <whatnow> but the last two times I tried to add it, my system froze
[08:37] <whatnow> and I had to cold reboot
[08:37] <vinic_> ogra, it doesnt work, Thanks for help anyway ;)
[08:38] <ogra> vinic_: the hard way: sudo chown -R $USER /home/$USER
[08:38] <vladster> can anyone fill me in on what is the most stable video capture card supported from translating videos to disk?
[08:38] <stianh> spikeb, synaptic says getting headers from that repo failed :/
[08:39] <vinic_> ogra , :'(
[08:39] <drspin> vladster: stay away from ATI's lower end -- have them, used them, they suck
[08:39] <ogra> stianh: look for breakmyubuntu in the wiki, there is a description for the tsen repo
[08:39] <ogra> tseng
[08:40] <ogra> vinic_: ?
[08:40] <drspin> vladster: never used anything else though
[08:40] <Frafraxy> any screensavers don't work
[08:40] <vinic_> doesnt work neither
[08:40] <Frafraxy> ogra: what i must to do?
[08:40] <vladster> What about adaptec
[08:40] <ogra> vinic_: how ?
[08:41] <vinic_> still nothing
[08:41] <ogra> vinic_: logged out and in ? killed nautilus ?
[08:42] <vinic_> killed nautilus but didnt logged out
[08:42] <Frafraxy> now it goes so and so
[08:42] <vinic_> trying that
[08:42] <Frafraxy> it does a stange rumors
[08:42] <Frafraxy> O_O
[08:43] <phyberoptix> o_o
[08:43] <Frafraxy> it does "cip-cip"
[08:43] <Frafraxy> O_O
[08:43] <Frafraxy> help!!!
[08:44] <Frafraxy> oh...
[08:44] <Kakarotto> Hey
[08:44] <Kakarotto> does someone knows how to import .reg files into the wine registry?
[08:45] <Frafraxy> 2063 frames in 5.0 seconds = 412.600 FPS
[08:45] <Frafraxy> O_O
[08:45] <Frafraxy> i'm rebooting!
[08:46] <Setite> ?
[08:46] <Setite> fra
[08:46] <Setite> what are you talking about
[08:48] <drspin> kakarotto: http://www.sdconsult.no/linux/wine-doc/registry.html  <-might have the answer
[08:49] <drspin> kakarotto: perhaps some creative searching on google would be in order :)
[08:51] <mcgood>   /quit
[08:51] <vinic_> ogra, well, nothing works, I give up. I'll copy all my files to another user account
[08:52] <ogra> vinic_: you will have to add the user to all the groups the defaultuser is in
[08:53] <ogra> vinic_: and add him to the sudoers with the visudo command
[08:53] <vinic_> oh, sounds complicated
[08:53] <vinic_> :/
[08:53] <vinic_> :)
[08:54] <ogra> vinic_: the command groups shows your current groups
[08:54] <spikeb> ooh
[08:55] <spikeb> cedega plays WoW now
[08:55] <vinic_> ok
[08:55] <ogra> vinic_: sudo adduser <name of your new user> <new group>
[08:56] <zeR> Does anybody have an idea why i can't connect to the internet? I get "Protocol error layer 3" from pppd when i dial. (It's ISDN)
[08:56] <ogra> vinic_: replace the stuff in brackets with real values
[08:56] <vinic_> ok! ;)
[08:56] <stianh> how can I change to english languages, and keep norwegian keyboardlayout?
[08:57] <JayeAeotiv> Alrighty
[08:57] <JayeAeotiv> Here's the prob.
[08:57] <JayeAeotiv> Windows killed my MBR and grub.
[08:57] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: sue bill gates !!
[08:57] <JayeAeotiv> The ubuntu install cd wants me to setup partitions in order to get grub back on.
[08:57] <JayeAeotiv> ubuntu's partitioner doesn't show a single partition.  Just the entire drive.
[08:58] <ogra> vinic_: for sudoers: export EDITOR=gedit && sudo visudo
[08:58] <JayeAeotiv> And Knoppix allows me to browse all 4 of my partitions.  Windows allows me to use 2.  The other two are for ubuntu.
[08:58] <JayeAeotiv> So I know they are there.
[08:58] <ogra> vinic_: change the username in there to the new user
[08:59] <JayeAeotiv> How can I get back into ubuntu?
[09:00] <october> moo
[09:00] <october> <-- occy
[09:00] <JayeAeotiv> hi
[09:00] <JayeAeotiv> Anyone have any clue?
[09:00] <october> anyone know how to setup DVD under ubuntu?
[09:00] <HcE> theres something in the wiki/faq about it I think
[09:01] <vinic_> ogra , What are those last instructions for?
[09:01] <october> ahh
[09:01] <ogra> vinic_: for sudo
[09:01] <october> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/  <-- go search here huh?
[09:01] <vinic_> ok
[09:01] <Fator_Dee> my dvd-drive worked out of the box
[09:01] <ogra> vinic_: if you delete your old default and add a new default you need the sudo capabilitys
[09:01] <vinic_> of course
[09:01] <october> Fator_Dee, yeah?  what did you use to play DVD's?
[09:02] <vinic_> ok
[09:02] <ogra> vinic_: you can do it all in your current session
[09:02] <vinic_> yes, ok
[09:02] <ogra> vinic_: then logout and login with the new user
[09:02] <october> ogra, howdy :)
[09:02] <ogra> vinic_: then remove the old one
[09:02] <Fator_Dee> october: ogle, xine and mplayer
[09:03] <ogra> october: hi occy
[09:03] <vinic_> ok
[09:03] <JayeAeotiv> ogra, you know anything about my prob?
[09:03] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: just wanted to start ;)
[09:03] <october> Fator_Dee, grabbing mplayer now
[09:03] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: you have a knoppix
[09:03] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: boot with it
[09:03] <K-otiK> what prog can i use to download everything froma website directory?
[09:04] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: mount your / (ubuntu)
[09:04] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: go into a terminal
[09:04] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: cd to the mounted ubuntu /
[09:04] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: tell me if youre there
[09:05] <JayeAeotiv> ok
[09:05] <JayeAeotiv> I'll reboot into knoppix
[09:05] <JayeAeotiv> brb
[09:05] <ogra> k
[09:06] <will> i'm running ubuntu (warty) on a thinkpad r51 w/ ipw2200 centrino wireless; the integrated card is listed as working on the wiki, but I only see the wired ethernet card in the `sudo ifconfig -a` output.
[09:06] <will> i've modprobed ipw2200 manually (it's not loaded at boot), still nothing in ifconfig. any ideas?
[09:07] <stuNNed> which daemon controls power management like fan speeds?
[09:07] <HcE> will: look in /var/log/syslog after a new device
[09:07] <will> HcE, what am I looking for there? does ubuntu name the device wlan0? eth1?
[09:07] <HcE> will: it's up to the module I think, havn't used ipw2200
[09:07] <HcE> buth I would think wlan0 or eth1
[09:08] <will> HcE, gotcha -- I'll take a look. thanks!
[09:08] <HcE> will: just try ifconfig eth1 up
[09:08] <HcE> or ifconfig wlan0 up
[09:08] <vladster> so let me rephrase that what would be a solidly supported video capture card for linux
[09:09] <will> HcE, neither ifconfig wlan0|eth1 up work; just have a SIOCCS error
[09:09] <spikeb> the wintv cards are solidly supported
[09:10] <october> xine-ui I reckon is what I need
[09:11] <ogra> october: why not totem-xine ?
[09:11] <emanuelez> hello *
[09:12] <emanuelez> any easy way (apt?) to have a >2.6.9 kernel on my ubuntu box?
[09:13] <FallenHitokiri> where can I download the grub package from hoary?
[09:13] <Riddell> emanuelez: sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.9-1-686
[09:13] <JayeAeotiv> ok
[09:13] <JayeAeotiv> I think knoppix automatically mounts them.
[09:13] <emanuelez> riddell: any amd optimised version?
[09:13] <Riddell> FallenHitokiri: sudo apt-get install grub
[09:13] <JayeAeotiv> not sure
[09:13] <aokaze> im so happy im so happy!!  I got my Ubuntu CDs!!
[09:13] <Riddell> emanuelez: sudo apt-cache search linux-image 2.6.9
[09:14] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: me neither, open a terminal, type: mount
[09:14] <Riddell> you don't need the sudo there
[09:14] <emanuelez> Riddell: u're right... shame on me
[09:14] <FallenHitokiri> Riddell: nope. I need the dep-package, because I have to set up an system without networkconnection
[09:14] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: archive.ubuntu.com , look in pool
[09:14] <JayeAeotiv> ogra, there's a line that says /dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type ext2
[09:14] <vinic_> ogra, I cant exit from visudo....
[09:15] <ogra> vinic_: typos ?
[09:15] <Orcrist> hey, doing an install of the java JRE and it doesn't tell me where to put it... what's a good to untar and install to?
[09:15] <vinic_> ???
[09:15] <ogra> vinic_: you used it like i wrote ? with the export EDITOR=gedit in front ?
[09:15] <Orcrist> erm, a good directory
[09:15] <emanuelez> Riddell: mmm... only 2.6.8 in my apt-cache... do i miss any repository?
[09:15] <vinic_> oh no, ok
[09:16] <Riddell> emanuelez: you will need hoary
[09:16] <ogra> vinic_: so you are in vi hehe
[09:16] <vinic_> but gedit crashes
[09:16] <vinic_> :/
[09:16] <FallenHitokiri> ogra: should I take grub or grub2 ? (there are 2 dirs)
[09:16] <vinic_> no fun! :)
[09:16] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: not sure
[09:16] <ogra> vinic_: what did you do to your system ?
[09:16] <emanuelez> Riddell: i think i need to visit the wiki to get info about hoary
[09:16] <FallenHitokiri> i mean i just need it to use get a splashimage working
[09:16] <ogra> vinic_: seems you broke a lot
[09:16] <vinic_> yep
[09:16] <vinic_> maybe
[09:17] <vinic_> I'm experiencing!
[09:17] <spikeb> speaking of hoary - how working is it right now?
[09:17] <ogra> vinic_: so you are still in the visudo ?
[09:17] <JayeAeotiv> Ogra.... ok I'm in the terminal and in the ubuntu's partiion.
[09:18] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: at the highest level but in the partition ?
[09:18] <JayeAeotiv> man ogra... you should be an air traffic controller with all the action you get.
[09:18] <JayeAeotiv> yes... I can see bin, dev, home, boot, etc
[09:18] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: type: chroot .
[09:18] <vinic_> yep
[09:18] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: dont miss the .
[09:18] <ogra> vinic_: type: i
[09:18] <ogra> vinic_: then edit the username
[09:19] <JayeAeotiv> Operation not permitted
[09:19] <vinic_> I managed to do that
[09:19] <vinic_> but I cant exit
[09:19] <vinic_> :)
[09:19] <ogra> vinic_: hit <esc>, type :wq
[09:19] <ogra> vinic_: regard the colon before wq
[09:20] <vinic_> oh, syntax erroro
[09:20] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: hmm, does knoppix use sudo ? try: sudo chroot .
[09:20] <JayeAeotiv> ok
[09:20] <JayeAeotiv> I'm root@Knoppix:/ #
[09:20] <ogra> vinic_: then escape :q!
[09:20] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: so it worked ?
[09:21] <vinic_> :x rather
[09:21] <JayeAeotiv> yes
[09:21] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: no errors
[09:21] <vinic_> without saving
[09:21] <JayeAeotiv> yes, I'm the root.  no errors.
[09:21] <JayeAeotiv> and dir shows me all of the files as if I were just on that partition and not on the livecd.
[09:21] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: now just run: /sbin/grub-install
[09:21] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: should recreate your grub setup
[09:22] <JayeAeotiv> root@Knoppix:/ # /sbin/grub-install
[09:22] <JayeAeotiv> install_device not specified.
[09:22] <JayeAeotiv> /sbin/grub-install: line 59: cannot create temp file for here document: Read-only file system
[09:22] <ogra> argh....
[09:22] <emanuelez> lol... downloading 500+ Mb of dist-upgrade LOL
[09:23] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: ok, we have to start through, knoppix mounts them ro
[09:23] <vinic_> ogra, I left first user with sudo abilities, is it important I remove it?
[09:23] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: so leave the chroot with ctrl-d
[09:23] <JayeAeotiv> ok
[09:23] <ogra> vinic_: you just added the new one ?
[09:23] <JayeAeotiv> done
[09:23] <ogra> vinic_: and left the old ?
[09:23] <vinic_> yep
[09:24] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: ok, go a level higher....
[09:24] <vinic_> ogra : oh, and "sudo nautilus" works!
[09:24] <ogra> vinic_: not beautiful, but will work
[09:24] <JayeAeotiv> ok I'm in mnt
[09:24] <vinic_> ;)
[09:24] <ogra> vinic_: sure
[09:24] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda1
[09:24] <vinic_> :)
[09:25] <ogra> vinic_: the configs are owned by root, remember ?
[09:25] <JayeAeotiv> only root can do that.
[09:25] <ogra> vinic_: so sudo nautilus must work... only the install for the user is borked
[09:25] <JayeAeotiv> If I right click the partition's icon on desktop
[09:25] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: sudo ?
[09:26] <JayeAeotiv> oh yeah
[09:26] <vinic_> ogra, I understand a thing. It did that shit first when I saved display before halting my computer
[09:26] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: nope, do it in terminal
[09:26] <JayeAeotiv> k
[09:26] <JayeAeotiv> /dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt/hda1 busy
[09:27] <vinic_> and I had a nautilus opened as root
[09:27] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: with the remount,rw ?
[09:27] <JayeAeotiv> yes
[09:27] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: probably:  mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[09:28] <JayeAeotiv> It says nothing after I type that
[09:28] <JayeAeotiv> no error no success.
[09:28] <ogra> good
[09:28] <JayeAeotiv> yay
[09:28] <ogra> nope
[09:28] <cenerentola> ogra: i've been asked how to use cups administrative tasks, and webmin
[09:28] <ogra> the opposite
[09:29] <ogra> abelli: i dont use webmin...and cups is just fine with the gnome-config tool
[09:29] <abelli> ogra: becuase they ask for root password
[09:29] <JayeAeotiv> ok ogra, what's next?
[09:29] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: no news are good news in linux ;)
[09:30] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: repeat the first steps....
[09:30] <abelli> ogra: what to do if i use cups in remote connection?
[09:30] <Orcrist> how does one install rpms cleanly in ubuntu?
[09:30] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: until you are in the chroot again
[09:30] <ogra> Orcrist: one doesnt
[09:30] <Orcrist> oh
[09:31] <JayeAeotiv> ok
[09:31] <Orcrist> well I'm trying to figure out where to put the Java JRE
[09:31] <abelli> ogra: use "sudo alien -d"
[09:31] <ogra> Orcrist: wait
[09:31] <ogra> Orcrist: there is a ubuntu package
[09:31] <Orcrist> oh?
[09:31] <Orcrist> I didn't realize that
[09:31] <JayeAeotiv> I'm in chroot
[09:31] <Orcrist> I thought java was closed/proprietary stuff
[09:31] <Orcrist> lemme search through synaptic... brb
[09:32] <Ribs> Blackdown is open source
[09:32] <Ribs> dunno if Ubuntu has it tho
[09:32] <ogra> Orcrist: not in synaptic.... see here: http://wiki.arslinux.com/Ubuntu#Java_1.5
[09:32] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: /sbin/grub-install
[09:32] <Orcrist> ty ogra
[09:32] <phyberoptix> im still reinstalling ubuntu
[09:33] <abelli> phyberoptix: why?
[09:33] <phyberoptix> why what?
[09:33] <ogra> abelli: never use alien if there is another way around, alien is weird, but good as last resort
[09:34] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: and ?
[09:35] <Riddell> Ribs: it's not open source or Free Software
[09:35] <Ribs> Blackdown isn't?
[09:35] <Ribs> hrm
[09:35] <Ribs> thought it was
[09:35] <vinic_> ogra, IT WORKS AGAIN!
[09:35] <ogra> vinic_: :)
[09:35] <Riddell> Ribs: they're kept under a very restrictive licence by sun
[09:35] <Ribs> oh
[09:35] <Ribs> sucky
[09:36] <ogra> Ribs: looks like we have to hope on a free clone
[09:36] <ogra> Ribs: like sabre
[09:36] <JayeAeotiv> Where do I install it to?
[09:36] <JayeAeotiv> It's asking for option?
[09:36] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: huh ?
[09:36] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: wait
[09:37] <JayeAeotiv> root@Knoppix:/ # /sbin/grub-install
[09:37] <JayeAeotiv> install_device not specified.
[09:37] <JayeAeotiv> Usage: grub-install [OPTION]  install_device
[09:37] <JayeAeotiv> Install GRUB on your drive.
[09:37] <whaaaaa> hey, I'm having trouble setting up my wireless card
[09:37] <whaaaaa> I have installed the drivers with ndiswrapper
[09:37] <vinic_> As I told you, I had saved configuration closing my session, but with a root Nautilus window opened. So I resaved a totally free configuration, rebooted, and nautilus is here again! ;)
[09:37] <whaaaaa> so I can use "iwlist wlan0 scan" to scan the networks, and it sees them fine
[09:37] <whaaaaa> I'm just wondering where to go from there
[09:37] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/boot/grub /dev/hda
[09:38] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: should be better
[09:38] <JayeAeotiv> yay
[09:38] <JayeAeotiv> it's trying to guess BIOS drives.
[09:38] <vinic_> ogra, many thanks... night all!
[09:38] <whaaaaa> should I use sudo ifup wlan0?
[09:39] <JayeAeotiv> instillation finished
[09:39] <ogra> whaaaaa: use the network amanger app in the Computer menu
[09:39] <JayeAeotiv> so now will I get into ubuntu?
[09:39] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: great.... reboot
[09:39] <drspin> it was instilled ;) LOL
[09:39] <whaaaaa> ok, what if it doesen't see wlan0 there?
[09:40] <JayeAeotiv> ok
[09:40] <whaaaaa> ogre: (add, wireless, no wlan0 in wireless device)
[09:40] <ogra> whaaaaa: then set it up manually
[09:40] <whaaaaa> ogra: actually it just showerd up
[09:40] <whaaaaa> weird
[09:41] <ogra> whaaaaa: this app is a bit flaky, it will be replaced in hoary....
[09:41] <whaaaaa> ok, let me try that
[09:41] <whaaaaa> ogra: although last time that happened, my system froze.  should i be wary?
[09:41] <whaaaaa> and do other stuff before?
[09:43] <ogra> whaaaaa: if it sees your device it should work.... else, in the wiki in the ndiswrapper howto is a good example for a /etc/network/interfaces file
[09:43] <whaaaaa> right
[09:43] <whaaaaa> well here goes nothing
[09:43] <ogra> whaaaaa: then try the example
[09:45] <ogra> abelli: for webmin i think you have to enable root during the install, afterwards disable it again
[09:46] <abelli> no... it doesnt let you in.. if u use your user
[09:49] <ogra> abelli: so you probably can only run it with a enabled root......
[09:49] <llun_ved> hello guys
[09:49] <abelli> ogra: i'll some way round..
[09:49] <abelli> well at least ill try to..
[09:49] <llun_ved> anyone here running a home e-mail server in ubuntu? i can send but i am not receiving.
[09:50] <ogra> llun_ved: probably nobody likes you.....
[09:50] <ogra> llun_ved: so no one sends mail ?
[09:51] <ogra> ;)
[09:51] <llun_ved> no ... i sent myself an e-mail from an external account in and I used to run a slackware machine with sendmail
[09:51] <ogra> llun_ved: was kidding....
[09:51] <llun_ved> k
[09:52] <llun_ved> i am working on getting ubuntu to do the same thing as my slack box
[09:52] <JayeAeotiv> It's broken
[09:53] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: in which way ?
[09:53] <llun_ved> what's broken
[09:53] <JayeAeotiv> Ubuntu won't boot... and windows isn't an option.
[09:53] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: Ubuntu won't boot ?
[09:53] <JayeAeotiv> Ubuntu says something about bad blocks on the disc
[09:53] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: whats the error ?
[09:53] <JayeAeotiv> See...
[09:53] <JayeAeotiv> if I make partitions using windows... and do that first.
[09:53] <JayeAeotiv> Ubuntu wants me to make new ones it won't see any on the install.
[09:54] <JayeAeotiv> And I think if I do windows on the ubuntu's partitions... (fat32 left over)
[09:54] <llun_ved> screw it
[09:54] <JayeAeotiv> then it messes up the other.
[09:54] <ogra> hmm
[09:54] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: but it should work, no matter what win does, after our grub installation
[09:55] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: in any case it should boot ubuntu, execpt...
[09:55] <JayeAeotiv> It gives me a root
[09:55] <phyberoptix> how i do i update to xchat 2.4 ?
[09:55] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: you shuffled the partitions around
[09:55] <JayeAeotiv> but it says that there's something wrong with the hda1
[09:55] <JayeAeotiv> damnit
[09:55] <JayeAeotiv> Ok
[09:56] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: was ubuntu hda1 before ?
[09:56] <JayeAeotiv> yes
[09:56] <ogra> ahh... ok
[09:56] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: which one is it now ?
[09:56] <JayeAeotiv> It should still be hda1
[09:56] <JayeAeotiv> I can browse hda1 with knoppix
[09:56] <JayeAeotiv> and it's got linux stuff on it
[09:57] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: nope, if you have had a booting win that cant be+
[09:57] <JayeAeotiv> it's got files that I placed on there with ubuntu.
[09:57] <JayeAeotiv> so it's hda1
[09:57] <JayeAeotiv> windows is on hda3
[09:57] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: that booted ?
[09:57] <JayeAeotiv> yeah
[09:58] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: afaik win is very strict tied to hda1
[09:58] <JayeAeotiv> Windows see hda3 as C:
[09:58] <JayeAeotiv> afaik?
[09:58] <ogra> as far as i know
[09:59] <JayeAeotiv> Well, now I can't get into windows.
[09:59] <JayeAeotiv> woot
[09:59] <stianh> hmm
[10:00] <JayeAeotiv> I would say fuck windows permanently/
[10:00] <JayeAeotiv> but I've got a lot of development tools that I can't get on linux I don't think.
[10:00] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: can you go into the grub editor on boot ?
[10:00] <JayeAeotiv> Visual studio etc.
[10:00] <JayeAeotiv> I don't know what grub editor is
[10:00] <Orcrist> Jaye, you can run those using wine under linux
[10:00] <JayeAeotiv> where I see a list of things to boot?
[10:00] <Orcrist> I've seen it done
[10:00] <JayeAeotiv> It has ubuntu four times.
[10:01] <JayeAeotiv> ubuntu kernel twice and ubuntu rescue twice
[10:01] <stianh> JayeAeotiv, I think there are things you could use that are similar to visual studio
[10:01] <JayeAeotiv> Yeah, but I needed them like fast
[10:01] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: four ?
[10:01] <JayeAeotiv> so I had to install windows
[10:01] <JayeAeotiv> yes four
[10:01] <JayeAeotiv> two rescues
[10:01] <JayeAeotiv> and two normal kernels
[10:01] <JayeAeotiv> exactly the same too
[10:01] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: did you try them both ?
[10:02] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: i suspect the second is ours
[10:02] <JayeAeotiv> yes
[10:02] <JayeAeotiv> I tried the second first
[10:02] <JayeAeotiv> both give the same issue
[10:03] <JayeAeotiv> I don't get it
[10:03] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: you could repeat the steps.....and try to tell grub to install to hda1 instead of hda.....
[10:03] <JayeAeotiv> I can browse hda1 from here just fine.
[10:03] <JayeAeotiv> ok
[10:03] <JayeAeotiv> i forgot what to do.
[10:03] <JayeAeotiv> to get it writable
[10:03] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: i.e.  grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/boot/grub /dev/hda1
[10:04] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: instead of:  grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/boot/grub /dev/hda
[10:04] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[10:06] <JayeAeotiv> ok
[10:07] <JayeAeotiv> rebooting to see if it works.
[10:08] <DaNewB> hello! just wanted to say I luv Ubuntu :)
[10:08] <ogra> we too
[10:08] <DaNewB> bye!
[10:17] <phyberoptix> i gotta question
[10:18] <codemarauder> yeah ask please
[10:18] <phyberoptix> how do i update xchat?
[10:18] <ogra> phyberoptix: there is no newer version then 2.0.8 for warty
[10:18] <phyberoptix> y cant i put the hoary edition on it?
[10:19] <ogra> phyberoptix: it has all the security patches backported
[10:19] <ogra> phyberoptix: dont mix distributions, either full upgrade or wait till april
[10:19] <phyberoptix> i did a full upgrade last nite =\
[10:20] <phyberoptix> i dont know if i wanna go thru that again
[10:20] <ogra> phyberoptix: so just stick with it
[10:21] <adam_> What is the apt command to install dev tools(gcc etc) for ubuntu?
[10:21] <ogra> adam_: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:23] <Setite> hello all
[10:23] <Setite> what is build-essential
[10:23] <Setite> hey i was wondering... and synaptic upgrade the kernel?
[10:24] <Setite> and=can
[10:24] <crimsun> it's a metapackage for essential packages used to compile source code, Setite.
[10:24] <Setite> ahhh
[10:24] <ctd> i.e. to compile the linux kernel.
[10:24] <Setite> PEPSI!!!!
[10:25] <crimsun> Setite: and yes, Synaptic will tell you if there are newer versions of the kernel available (same package name) in the Ubuntu repositories.
[10:25] <Setite> i had 3 of you today
[10:25] <pepsi> ?
[10:25] <Setite> hehe
[10:25] <pepsi> awesome
[10:25] <pepsi> but coke is better
[10:25] <Setite> die blashpemer!!!!
[10:25] <adam_> I tried installing the nvidia driver and it says no kernel source tree found, how do i install the kernel source tree for ubuntu?
[10:26] <crimsun> adam_: the Nvidia driver is already installed in the linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` package
[10:26] <ogra> adam_: you dont, you take the ubuntu package
[10:26] <adam_> how do i install that?
[10:26] <Prasatko> hello. I have debian (kernel 2.2) and I'd like to upgrade do kernel 2.6 (ubuntu), bootloader is lilo. i type this: dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6......deb  and it says that i must add "/initrd=initrd.img" to lilo conf.. so the new line in lilo will look like this: "image=vmlinuz initrd=/initrd.img"  ???
[10:26] <ogra> adam_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:27] <abelli> ciao a tutti im off
[10:27] <Setite> I WANT UBUNTU!!!
[10:27] <phyberoptix> so r u sayin the xchat is already fixed on ubuntu?
[10:27] <Setite> this is killing me
[10:27] <codemarauder> prasatko: add a new line
[10:27] <pepsi> install it
[10:27] <ogra> crimsun: btw, why are you not http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MaintainerCandidates
[10:27] <ogra> ?
[10:27] <crimsun> ogra: because I'm a goof :P
[10:27] <ogra> heh
[10:27] <crimsun> I'll poke it at work in a bit
[10:27] <crimsun> thanks for the reminder
[10:27] <crimsun> :)
[10:28] <ogra> crimsun: got on, join the class ;)
[10:28] <Setite> if only the livecd worked
[10:28] <Setite> who thinks the fedora developers are mean
[10:28] <Prasatko> codemarauder: new line with:  initrd=/initrd.img  ?? that's all?
[10:28] <crimsun> Prasatko: initrd=foo goes on a separate line
[10:28] <Setite> i still cant believe they dont add ntfs support by default
[10:28] <gotcha> Have you run cedega on Ubuntu?
[10:28] <Setite> gotcha have you?
[10:28] <codemarauder> prasatko: initrd=/path/to/initrd.img
[10:29] <Setite> i will be able to say yes to that question next week
[10:29] <Fator_Dee> I have
[10:29] <valberg> hey i need some help! when trying to install kdelibs-data dpkg fails unpacking...
[10:29] <valberg> :S
[10:29] <Setite> imma get my rig up... and immediately buy cedega
[10:29] <codemarauder> prasatko: this could be /boot/initrd.img or depending on your installation
[10:29] <Setite> that should be on a monday... and hopefully by tuesday i will have got it working
[10:29] <codemarauder> prasatko: just check /boot if it is there...
[10:30] <gotcha> Excuseme Setite, I speak a little of english
[10:30] <sid77> hi
[10:30] <Prasatko> codemarauder: i have installed minimal version of debian. and there is not any file initrd in /boot
[10:30] <Setite> no worries, im not saying anything of importance
[10:30] <pepsi> whats cedega
[10:31] <Setite> winex
[10:31] <Setite> its for gaming
[10:31] <pepsi> pff, games
[10:31] <Prasatko> codemarauder:only vmlinuz and some shot (<10kB) files
[10:31] <Setite> http://transgaming.org
[10:31] <codemarauder> prasatko: after you install the 2.6 kernel then this file will come
[10:31] <Setite> pff you coke boy
[10:31] <pepsi> ;D
[10:31] <Setite> or should i say coke loving cake boy?
[10:32] <pepsi> whichever tickles your fancy
[10:32] <Setite> indeed it does float my boat
[10:32] <Setite> or should i say set my sail
[10:32] <Setite> hmmmm
[10:32] <adam_> Do I have the restricted modules installed by default?
[10:32] <Setite> anyhou
[10:32] <Setite> hello Seq
[10:32] <Prasatko> codemarauder: ok. I'' try it
[10:32] <Seq> hello Setite
[10:33] <Setite> :)
[10:33] <Setite> im bored... forgive me
[10:33] <Setite> have no linux to play with
[10:33] <Setite> me sad
[10:33] <YorHel> whoa... wine crashed & I can't kill the remaining window...
[10:34] <Prasatko> codemarauder: and that file (initrd) will it be initrd.img or initrd.gz ?
[10:34] <ogra> YorHel: kill wineserver in a terminal
[10:34] <valberg> anyone know what i should do to get kdelibs-data to work ?
[10:34] <Setite> cheese nips!!!
[10:34] <YorHel> wineserver isnt running
[10:34] <Riddell> valberg: what doesn't work about it?
[10:34] <ogra> Riddell: welcome aboard btw ;)
[10:35] <adam_> Woohoo yeah baby I have a working Ubuntu system!  :D :D
[10:35] <Riddell> ogra: I'm aboard already?
[10:35] <Setite> cheese nips are a food snack.. so if you are japanese... do not be offended
[10:35] <adam_> Thanks ogra
[10:35] <Setite> ogra is the man
[10:35] <ogra> Riddell: you are now ubuntite .....
[10:35] <Setite> two cheers for ogra
[10:35] <Setite> hear hear
[10:36] <adam_> hip hip
[10:36] <codemarauder> prasatko: for 2.4.x this will be initrd.gz
[10:36] <codemarauder> prasatko: for 2.6.x I'm not sure
[10:36] <Setite> someone give a dummy an explanation of what xfree86 is
[10:36] <Setite> shit nvm
[10:36] <valberg> Riddell, when dpkg tries unpacking it i get an error saying: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/mimelnk/application/vnd.stardivision.calc.desktop', which is also in the package openoffice.org-mimelnk (loosely translated from danish))
[10:36] <Setite> i keep forgetting... i have ebooks... might as well start reading
[10:36] <Riddell> valberg: is this hoary or warty?
[10:37] <valberg> hoary
[10:37] <ogra> Riddell: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NewDevelopersAndMaintainers (ubuntites are self nominated)
[10:37] <Riddell> valberg: submit a bug report
[10:37] <valberg> link please ?
[10:37] <valberg> found it
[10:37] <ogra> valberg: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:37] <Riddell> valberg: and try  dpkg --install --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs4-data*
[10:38] <gotcha> Who have used cedega(el programa) on Linux?
[10:38] <adam_> New problem, my monitor is 1600x1200 85hz CRT and ubuntu wont let me go above 60hz, which is not good on a CRT
[10:38] <gotcha> Who have used cedega on Ubuntu?
[10:38] <valberg> Riddell, it's /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.3.2-1ubuntu3_all.deb
[10:39] <Setite> Fator_dee
[10:39] <Setite> gotcha
[10:39] <Setite> what do you need
[10:39] <drspin> gotcha - I use cvscedega on ubuntu
[10:39] <Setite> drspin
[10:39] <Fator_Dee> Setite: hunh?
[10:39] <Setite> what is cvscedega
[10:39] <Setite> i understand cvs
[10:39] <Setite> but is there another cedega?
[10:40] <Setite> fator you've used cedega right
[10:40] <jdz_> It's the development version
[10:40] <Setite> ok
[10:40] <Setite> still not free right
[10:40] <Fator_Dee> nope
[10:40] <gotcha> Setite, I want to play pc games on linux
[10:40] <adam_> Is there a way to setup X so I can have 1600x1200@85hz?
[10:40] <Setite> oh
[10:40] <drspin> cedega for those of us that like free stuff
[10:40] <valberg> Riddell, i get alot of errors telling me that several files also are in openoffice.org-mimelnk , and that some configurationfiles don't exist on the system...
[10:40] <Fator_Dee> but wine is free
[10:40] <Setite> oh so there is a free cedega
[10:40] <Fator_Dee> no, no free cedega, wine is free
[10:40] <Riddell> valberg: errors are there to be ignored :)
[10:40] <Setite> im talking to drspin
[10:41] <Setite> "<drspin> cedega for those of us that like free stuff"
[10:41] <Fator_Dee> yes, but cedega != wine
[10:41] <drspin> Setite: yes - development, CVS cersion :: fairly painless to install
[10:41] <Setite> cedega is winex
[10:41] <Setite> drpsin... and free?
[10:41] <Setite> how stable is it in general
[10:41] <valberg> Riddell, well, when it stops me from installing several programs, then they aren't...
[10:41] <Setite> disregard that
[10:41] <Setite> i have a more crucial question abotu cedega
[10:42] <Setite> i read a review on it using City Of Heroes
[10:42] <valberg> Riddell, just ran that command you gave me again, and it installed!
[10:42] <Setite> and he said that when he just tapped a button
[10:42] <Setite> it didnt respond
[10:42] <Setite> in regards to movement
[10:42] <drspin> ?
[10:42] <Setite> now if its not completely responsive... then it will not cut it for fps...
[10:42] <Setite> have you experienced inability to make subtle movements?
[10:42] <drspin> if you pay for cedega you get access to the message boards - where you can talk about issues like that......
[10:43] <Setite> yea imma pay so i can get to the forum
[10:43] <Setite> well not for that
[10:43] <Setite> just to support them
[10:43] <drspin> the inability to make subtle movements could mean many things from a configuration standpoint...
[10:43] <Setite> well he said if he tapped the key to strafe to the left it woudl work
[10:44] <Setite> then he would hop back automatically
[10:44] <Setite> like as if the server denied the movement as valid
[10:44] <drspin> ...
[10:44] <Setite> sounded like an anti-cheat feature.... but i dunno
[10:44] <drspin> I dunno
[10:44] <Setite> so you've had no problems?
[10:44] <Setite> hmmm... cool... but that is what im gonna try cvscedega first
[10:45] <drspin> some games aren't supported and don't work - some games aren't supported and do work...
[10:45] <drspin> don't expect every game to work perfectly -- but most are quite playable
[10:45] <drspin> most = some
[10:46] <Setite> yea i understand that
[10:46] <Setite> but ive only read about instabilities and such... not unresponsive movements
[10:46] <valberg> hmm.. synaptic crashes when i choose a program, that has dependencies, to be installed...
[10:46] <Setite> and im only concerned with half life 2 and cs source
[10:46] <Setite> which are confirmed to work
[10:46] <Setite> and vtm bloodlines... i wonder if anyone has tested that yet
[10:47] <YorHel> valberg: got some hoary packages installed?
[10:47] <drspin> the former work according to what I've seen -- not sure about VTM tough
[10:47] <YorHel> valberg: like firefox 1.0
[10:47] <valberg> YorHel, jep
[10:47] <YorHel> valberg: same problem here, it's because of a warty-hoary-package conflict
[10:47] <valberg> darn
[10:48] <Setite> ouch... playability of 1 star for vtm bloodlines... thats not good... ah well i dotn mind dual booting
[10:48] <gotcha> Setite, I downloaded cedega, I installed cedega, I installed Quake III, but after I reseted my PC because the installation ask me. Then I search the way to play Quake III but i don't find it
[10:48] <valberg> well.. then i have to run apt-get style... well that just reminds me of my days with debian :D
[10:48] <Setite> ill just strip the windows install
[10:48] <YorHel> valberg: does your login-screen still works?
[10:48] <valberg> well for now...
[10:48] <Setite> drspin help me as i dont know cedega first hand
[10:48] <Setite> there is a c: folder right
[10:48] <Setite> in the main directory or somewhere deeper
[10:48] <valberg> haven't rebooted... yet...
[10:49] <gotcha> Setite, where is C: folder
[10:49] <gotcha> ?
[10:49] <drspin> gotcha: play quake 3 with the native executables...
[10:49] <YorHel> valberg: dont reboot :)
[10:49] <valberg> YorHel, but it failed with a other installation of ubuntu i had earlier...
[10:49] <valberg> YorHel, you mean that hoary f*cks X up ?
[10:50] <index> Hi, How to connect to admin shares lkie (C$ etc..) on windows comp. I always get "you do not have permissions necessary to view the contents of folders"
[10:50] <valberg> YorHel, 'cause it said to me that :0 was taken...
[10:50] <YorHel> valberg: no, hoary packages f*ck up warty gdm
[10:50] <valberg> :S
[10:50] <YorHel> valberg: yep, that error
[10:50] <broodster> hey
[10:50] <valberg> ahh.. maybe i just should install hoary gdm ;)
[10:50] <YorHel> valberg: that might work :)
[10:50] <Setite> drspin... native executables woudl be for the port right?
[10:50] <valberg> YorHel, someone on ubuntuforums did that, and that worked
[10:51] <YorHel> valberg: Hmm, maybe I should try that too
[10:51] <adam_> Is there an update for apt sources or is epiphany not available?  I did apt-get update and then install epiphany and it says no packlage found
[10:51] <valberg> how many in here still have their root user disabled ?
[10:51] <drspin> Setite:: yes - Quake 3 runs natively on linux, you don't need cedega
[10:51] <broodster> how do i play war3 on linux?
[10:52] <Setite> well even the windows version
[10:52] <Setite> war3?
[10:52] <broodster> warcraft 3
[10:52] <spikeb> um
[10:52] <Creap> hi.. how does apt-setup work, or whatever i should use to make apt get stuff from sunet.se?
[10:52] <Setite> id guess cedega
[10:52] <stuNNed> cedega
[10:52] <gotcha> thanks Setite i'm going to drop the rubbish into the main bin
[10:52] <spikeb> you have to have cedega, which you have to pay for, and you get support with that payment.
[10:52] <spikeb> so go ask them.
[10:52] <drspin> broodster: cedega http://www.transgaming.com runs it quite well
[10:52] <Creap> i can't figure it out, anywhere to read?
[10:52] <broodster> thanks
[10:52] <stuNNed> adam_, i think it's epiphany-browser or something
[10:52] <Setite> for all non-linux games ill say cedega automatically
[10:53] <adam_> That did the trick thanks
[10:53] <Setite> spike where have you been.... if im not mistaken there is a free one
[10:53] <drspin> Quake 3, Castle Wolfenstein, UT2004 & 2004 all run native in linux!!
[10:53] <Setite> but shit im so confused
[10:53] <spikeb> cedega has a free time limited demo.
[10:53] <Setite> drspin... but do you have to download a linux verson?
[10:53] <spikeb> drspin, and neverwinter nights
[10:53] <Setite> nah they dont... that is not available anymore from what i see.... but i mean a cvs version
[10:54] <spikeb> UT2004 has a linux installer in the cd
[10:54] <Setite> oh really?
[10:54] <Setite> awesome
[10:54] <spikeb> the cvs version of cedega SUCKS
[10:54] <drspin> Cedega is available free through CVS - which is the bleeding edge DEVELOPMENT version --
[10:54] <Setite> i need ut2004 then
[10:54] <spikeb> _SUCKS_
[10:54] <spikeb> hedh
[10:54] <Setite> spike why
[10:54] <Setite> unstable?
[10:54] <spikeb> yes
[10:54] <broodster> is there a version of MSN for linux?
[10:54] <spikeb> and it doesn't have half the stuff the actual product does
[10:54] <Setite> well its a nice teaser i suppose
[10:54] <spikeb> i think it's crippleware
[10:54] <YorHel> broodster: gaim
[10:54] <spikeb> broodster, messenger?
[10:55] <Setite> Gaim has msn integrated right
[10:55] <spikeb> bronson, gaim will do it.
[10:55] <Setite> Gaim is your mother
[10:55] <Setite> i love it
[10:55] <drspin> you use the data files from your game CD and download the executables... which are free
[10:55] <broodster> oh lol
[10:55] <YorHel> I also had gaim for windows ^^
[10:55] <drspin> I'm using Gaim to chat in this room :)
[10:55] <Marianitu> and if you like something more similar to the windows version of messenger, amsn
[10:55] <Setite> only thing i dotn like in linux is the title bars for shit
[10:56] <Setite> too big
[10:56] <Setite> but i fixed that real quick
[10:56] <spikeb> is mozilla 1.8 ever going to be released?
[10:56] <Setite> just upped the resolution and shrunk the fonts
[10:56] <Setite> nope
[10:56] <spikeb> it's been alpha for a long time now
[10:57] <Setite> i wonder if opera will ever open its source
[10:57] <spikeb> probably not.
[10:57] <spikeb> unless the company goes under.
[10:57] <CraHan_> does anyone know why for example Applications:/// in nautilus isn't a valid location anymore?
[10:57] <YorHel> :|
[10:57] <Amaranth> CraHan_: The menu system changed.
[10:57] <spikeb> CraHan_, are you running gnome 2.9?
[10:57] <ogra> CraHan_: because it should have a smaall a
[10:57] <OddAbe19> spikeb, i don't think they're doing 1.8, i think they're abandoning it in favor of Firefox
[10:57] <CraHan_> spikeb: yup, hoary
[10:57] <ogra> CraHan_: ah, ok
[10:57] <OddAbe19> spikeb, iirc
[10:57] <Setite> ok... doesnt matter to me... im not a programmer
[10:58] <CraHan_> I've indeed seen some gnome-menu changes
[10:58] <spikeb> CraHan_, either its changed in the new menu system, or its broken
[10:58] <Amaranth> OddAbe19: Wrong, they are continuing work on Mozilla.
[10:58] <ogra> CraHan_: its not possible in hoary
[10:58] <spikeb> OddAbe19, they shouldn't have released an alpha then HEH
[10:58] <calc> it would be nicer if they split out composer then instead of just killing it
[10:58] <CraHan_> like not being able to edit the menus
[10:58] <Setite> oddabe19 - do you forsee firefox becoming a suite
[10:58] <ogra> CraHan_: yep
[10:58] <setup> is dvdrtools the only dvd writing package in ubuntu?
[10:58] <Setite> or having an option to add the suite
[10:58] <Amaranth> calc: They did, it's called nvu.
[10:58] <spikeb> firefox will never be a suite.
[10:58] <Setite> damnit
[10:58] <ogra> CraHan_: install gnome-app-manager
[10:58] <CraHan_> ogra: ah ok, phew, at least I know it's 'normal'
[10:58] <Setite> then i guess ill never use it
[10:58] <calc> Amaranth: hmm i didn't notice it on their site for some reason, will have to look again
[10:58] <CraHan_> ogra: oh cool
[10:58] <spikeb> but firefox/nvu/thunderbird will be one :)
[10:58] <OddAbe19> Amaranth, ok, i thought i remembered hearing a branch of mozilla or something like that leaving in favor of firefox
[10:58] <Setite> hold on i forgot
[10:58] <Amaranth> OddAbe19: That was the original plan.
[10:58] <Setite> does firefox have email in it
[10:59] <Setite> pop3
[10:59] <spikeb> no
[10:59] <spikeb> thunderbird does.
[10:59] <CraHan_> ogra: does nautilus-cd-burner work again?
[10:59] <calc> is nvu not an official mozilla project?
[10:59] <drspin> calc: I wish they would take composer and drive into it like they did firefox...
[10:59] <Setite> and what is the difference
[10:59] <ogra> CraHan_: havent tried in hoary.....
[10:59] <OddAbe19> Amaranth, check check, got it
[10:59] <CraHan_> cause I keep getting dependency problems when I try to install it
[10:59] <whaaaaa> does anyone know why the network configuration would freeze my system when I try to add my wireless card?
[10:59] <spikeb> drspin, somebody beat them to it, it's called nvu
[10:59] <Amaranth> spikeb: firefox/thunderbird/nvu/sunfire/chatzilla
[10:59] <Setite> sunfire?!chatzilla?!
[10:59] <spikeb> ahh yes, sunfire
[11:00] <Setite> god
[11:00] <whaaaaa> I have the drivers installed with ndiswrapper, and it can actually scan for networks
[11:00] <Setite> i just want email and web browsing in one thing
[11:00] <CraHan_> ogra: is gnome-app-manager available in hoary?
[11:00] <Setite> with one name
[11:00] <spikeb> Setite, bah
[11:00] <CraHan_> cause I can't seem to find it
[11:00] <Setite> no bah
[11:00] <spikeb> Setite, that's crap :)
[11:00] <ogra> CraHan_: yupp
[11:00] <whaaaaa> just no luck when adding the card in the network config
[11:00] <Setite> no its not
[11:00] <spikeb> yes it is.
[11:00] <Amaranth> Setite: Then use seamonkey and enjoy the slowness and crappy UI.
[11:00] <ogra> CraHan_: should be in universe
[11:00] <Setite> no... i would never use anything called seamonkey
[11:00] <CraHan_> I  have universe in my apt sources though
[11:00] <CraHan_> strange
[11:00] <Creap> when i start apt-setup and then select ftp i only get a new line and no shell line or anything
[11:00] <Creap> and no list of servers
[11:00] <Setite> ill just cross my fingers and hope opera works better on ubuntu then it did on FC3
[11:01] <Amaranth> Setite: Yes you would, that's the mozilla suite project name.
[11:01] <spikeb> Setite, you have GOT to try evolution for mail - it's awesome
[11:01] <Setite> i bet it is
[11:01] <calc> so nvu is actually a fork of composer, but looks good
[11:01] <Setite> but i like having both in one window
[11:01] <Amaranth> evolution is like outlook
[11:01] <broodster> i hate windows
[11:01] <broodster> everytime i install it
[11:01] <Setite> i know it is... i didnt like outlook though
[11:01] <spikeb> Amaranth, but it is good
[11:01] <broodster> iget spy ware
[11:01] <ogra> CraHan_: sorry, gnome-app-install
[11:01] <CraHan_> gnome-app-install is available :)
[11:01] <CraHan_> aaah
[11:01] <CraHan_> ok
[11:01] <YorHel> broodster: get firefox for windows, it helps
[11:02] <broodster> yah
[11:02] <broodster> but before i can
[11:02] <spikeb> yeah i have my family run FF on windows
[11:02] <Setite> spyware is not a big thing though
[11:02] <broodster> it's already hijacked o_O
[11:02] <Setite> easily removed
[11:02] <broodster> no
[11:02] <broodster> i got this crap
[11:02] <broodster> hhnt.exe
[11:02] <Amaranth> a Windows XP computer on cable or DSL will get slammed in about 2 minutes or less
[11:02] <OddAbe19> except, it depends synaptic, which is broken right now
[11:02] <Setite> my browser hasnt been hijackes since before spyware became widely known
[11:02] <OddAbe19> for me at least
[11:02] <CraHan_> hrmmm
[11:02] <broodster> it like duplicates itself every 3 minutes or something
[11:02] <tolstoy> is sound-juicer broken on hoary?
[11:02] <Setite> then again i never use MSIE
[11:02] <spikeb> heh
[11:02] <whaaaaa> quick question, when the documentation says reboot with the new kernel, I just reboot right?  or do I have to change some settings (after downloading the image)
[11:02] <broodster> i can't figuir out how to get rid of it
[11:02] <CraHan_> complains about python
[11:02] <YorHel> lolol
[11:02] <spikeb> i cant wait until march
[11:02] <CraHan_> been seeing that a few times as of late
[11:02] <Setite> amaranth you read that article too
[11:02] <Setite> ?
[11:02] <Amaranth> Setite: I've seen it first hand.
[11:03] <ogra> CraHan_: if you start it ?
[11:03] <CraHan_> I seem to have python > 2.4 installed and it wants a python version << 2.4
[11:03] <Setite> but i was asking if you read the article
[11:03] <spikeb> heh
[11:03] <Amaranth> Setite: Yeah.
[11:03] <CraHan_> no when I try to select it through dselect
[11:03] <spikeb> CraHan_, python is still broken eh? has been for a while now
[11:03] <ogra> CraHan_: dist-upgrade ?
[11:03] <Setite> i have a windows box... ive seen how they are without updates
[11:03] <YorHel> whaaaaa: depends on what doc :P
[11:03] <CraHan_> ogra: just did a dist-upgrade a few minutes agi
[11:03] <CraHan_> *ago
[11:03] <Setite> within 1 minute i got one of those ads for a proggy to stop the ads
[11:03] <whaaaaa> yorhel: this one http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[11:03] <spikeb> CraHan_, here's a tip - dont upgrade for a while once you get things working
[11:03] <spikeb> heh
[11:04] <ogra> CraHan_: works for me with a yesterday upgraded box
[11:04] <CraHan_> spikeb: hehe
[11:04] <broodster> hey is there a shortcut to gothrough work spaces?
[11:04] <Setite> which is why i use windows nemesis
[11:04] <CraHan_> ogra: yeah I think I'll just ignore it
[11:04] <whaaaaa> broodster: ctrl+alt+left/right
[11:04] <spikeb> ew
[11:04] <spikeb> crappy shortcut
[11:04] <YorHel> whaaaaa: sounds like a normal reboot to me...
[11:04] <whaaaaa> ok, that's what I thought
[11:05] <Setite> question for all.. if there was an uberlinux that rocked like no other... but cost like 200 bucks... would you.. A pay for it B get a warez copy C go without
[11:05] <ogra> whaaaaa: its right
[11:05] <whaaaaa> any clue why when I try to add wlan0 in the network config it would hang?
[11:05] <CraHan_> I could of course remove python (the metapackage) and install python2.3
[11:05] <phyberoptix> B
[11:05] <Setite> agreed
[11:05] <Setite> hehe and maybe i would mail them 50 bucks anonymously
[11:05] <phyberoptix> lol
[11:05] <ogra> whaaaaa:as i told you, its a flaky app, use the file
[11:05] <spikeb> Setite, i'd go without
[11:05] <phyberoptix> include a note "u been wared on $150"
[11:06] <Setite> haha yea
[11:06] <Setite> i should say... drop the price damnit
[11:06] <Setite> thanks for answering everyone
[11:06] <whaaaaa> ogra: yeah, ok
[11:06] <spikeb> i can make LFS into an uberlinux when i have the patience
[11:06] <spikeb> :P
[11:06] <Setite> alot of time
[11:07] <Setite> i mean one with no hardware issues and is safe as hell and configurable as hell with full gaming support for windows/linux and perhaps even mac games
[11:07] <whaaaaa> ogra: what's the easiest way to not mess the config file up?
[11:07] <ogra> whaaaaa: make a backup
[11:07] <whaaaaa> hehe
[11:07] <ogra> whaaaaa: in your home
[11:07] <spikeb> i could do the the first three myself
[11:07] <spikeb> not mac games though
[11:07] <broodster> whaaaaa: thanks
[11:08] <spikeb> first four i should say
[11:08] <Setite> another theoretical question.. picture if linux took over and MS was just a memory... and it turned into the next MS... a distro arose and wiped out the others and they were a monopoly worst than MS at its peak... would a new linux type OS arise?
[11:08] <spikeb> yeah
[11:08] <Setite> but based upon what
[11:08] <Setite> i mean there is what
[11:08] <Amaranth> um, linux
[11:08] <ogra> whaaaaa: here is a example: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[11:08] <Setite> DOS, UNIX
[11:09] <spikeb> there already are other open source (and not open source) alternative OSes in existance.
[11:09] <Setite> and what esle
[11:09] <phyberoptix> thats a waste of space
[11:09] <spikeb> they'd merely rise in popularity
[11:09] <Setite> any with potential?
[11:09] <Amaranth> See, a single Linux distro can never have a monopoly.
[11:09] <spikeb> Setite, syllable has potential if anyon eever wants to help with it
[11:09] <Setite> it was theoretical
[11:09] <Amaranth> Because of the GPL we always have choice.
[11:09] <whaaaaa> ogra: yeah that's what I'm looking at
[11:09] <spikeb> yes it can Amaranth.
[11:09] <Amaranth> spikeb: How do you kill Debian or Ubuntu or gentoo?
[11:09] <Setite> we have choice... but im saying if it was so hard to compete
[11:10] <spikeb> Amaranth, you dont have to kill it. merely have to achieve dominance.
[11:10] <Setite> a distro so superior only a fool would not use it
[11:10] <spikeb> Amaranth, there are more ways than just code to enforce a monopoly
[11:10] <Amaranth> Setite: The features from that distro would end up the other ones.
[11:10] <Setite> yea.. i mean they could win out the corporate world with a superior product.. that was cheaper and had no learning curve
[11:10] <Amaranth> Either by coding something new or just taking the GPL'd source code.
[11:10] <spikeb> it wouldnt effect you and me, but joe user
[11:10] <Setite> which MS clings to so sadly
[11:10] <spikeb> (a distro monopoly)
[11:11] <Amaranth> Getting rid of MS is just a nice side effect.
[11:11] <spikeb> i mean, i can already go use whatever iw ant, or make my own, and am doing so in the face of the MS monopoly
[11:11] <Setite> your no fun Amaranth
[11:11] <Amaranth> The real goal is choice.
[11:11] <spikeb> i have to agree with Amaranth on this one
[11:11] <Setite> its a nice goal... but i think a distro will need to step up to win this game
[11:11] <Amaranth> Most open source devs don't care about beating Microsoft.
[11:11] <spikeb> Setite, for joe user - probably
[11:12] <Setite> well you dont have to care abotu beating MS...
[11:12] <spikeb> but it'll be my distro that does it :)
[11:12] <Setite> just abotu make the best OS
[11:12] <Setite> and that will in turn beat MS
[11:12] <Amaranth> Setite: Like I said, beating MS will just be a nice side effect.
[11:12] <Setite> or bust them down to a fraction of the market
[11:12] <spikeb> i cant say i care about beating MS. i DO care about making things easy/smart enough for more people to use, though
[11:13] <spikeb> that way they DO have a real choice.
[11:13] <Setite> yea... well side effect... goal or whatever... if linux gets to a point it will win
[11:13] <spikeb> (besides moving to another hardware platform)
[11:13] <Setite> i wonder if it will ever though...
[11:13] <calc> if linux gets too much market share ms will lobby to make floss illegal
[11:13] <calc> heh ;)
[11:13] <Setite> floss?
[11:13] <Amaranth> Not possible.
[11:14] <pepsi> what's floss?
[11:14] <Amaranth> Unless they remove copyright.
[11:14] <pepsi> ;)
[11:14] <Setite> amaranth... whats not possible
[11:14] <calc> free libre open source software
[11:14] <Amaranth> Which fucks them too.
[11:14] <spikeb> when Free/OSS software is illegal, only criminals wil have free software!
[11:14] <Setite> never
[11:14] <CraHan_> hmmm
[11:14] <CraHan_> I seem to have lost the burn option in the places menu
[11:14] <spikeb> heh
[11:14] <Amaranth> The GPL is based on copyright law so the only way to get rid of it is to get rid of copyright.
[11:14] <Setite> it would be beyond even their reach to make free software illegal
[11:15] <calc> Setite: they could patent 0 and 1 ;)
[11:15] <spikeb> CraHan_, try typing nautilus-cd-burner in a terminal or a run window, and see if it's still around
[11:15] <Amaranth> Even MS wouldn't be able to convince the MPAA and RIAA funded Congress to do that.
[11:15] <Setite> unless they owned all the cpu hardware patents and forced only MS on it
[11:15] <Amaranth> Setite: Never going to happen, IBM.
[11:15] <CraHan_> spikeb: no nautilus-cd-burner seems to be conflicting with nautilus itself in hoary
[11:15] <Setite> they cant even control it on their own xbox
[11:15] <Amaranth> CraHan_: I have the cd burner in hoary.
[11:16] <CraHan_> apparently there now is a nautilus-extensions deb that nautilus uses and that conflicts with nautilus-cd-burner
[11:16] <Setite> its like a golden rule of sorts that you can do what you will with what you own as long as you don't inherently break a law
[11:16] <Amaranth> Setite: Except software.
[11:16] <spikeb> wtf
[11:16] <Setite> explain
[11:16] <spikeb> CraHan_, i am so glad i dont run hoary
[11:16] <Setite> well yea i see what you mean
[11:16] <JDahl> Why does linux necessarily have to beat MS? I why do we need to "conquer the desktop"? Linux is perfect for our needs, we dont need Joe Average-user's acceptence... + the contributions to linux come from people who already use Linux and who couldnt care less about Windows... Being a niche OS isn't necessarily bad
[11:17] <Amaranth> It seems to be copyrightable and patentable at the same time as well as just a license and at the same time just the medium the software comes on whenever it suits the creator.
[11:17] <CraHan_> ok here's what happens: when I select nautilus-cd-burner for installation, libnautilus2, nautilus and file-roller get deselected
[11:17] <JDahl> s/I/and/
[11:17] <spikeb> i care about ease of use plenty
[11:17] <Setite> jdahl wrond
[11:17] <spikeb> i'm lazy.
[11:17] <Frafraxy> hi
[11:17] <Setite> if joe average accepts it then more attention will be placed on it... which cant be bad
[11:17] <Amaranth> CraHan_: Get the hell out of synaptic.
[11:17] <CraHan_> I'm assuming that uninstalling nautilus and installing nautilus-cd-burner will leave me in a bigger pickle than not having a cd burner :)
[11:17] <Frafraxy> the driver ati work 50%
[11:17] <CraHan_> Amaranth: using dselect
[11:17] <Setite> there will possibly be games for it... and better software available for those who want it
[11:17] <Amaranth> CraHan_: sudo apt-get install nautilus-cd-burner
[11:18] <Frafraxy> i must reboot the pc every 30 min.
[11:18] <Setite> there is nothing 100% bad about a commercialized aspect
[11:18] <JDahl> Setite, even if you convert your mom and dad and everyone else to Linux, how is that helping Linux?
[11:18] <Frafraxy> who can help me?
[11:18] <CraHan_> Amaranth: ok that worked, I wonder why dselect doesn't behave though
[11:18] <Frafraxy> how i can restart x?
[11:18] <Setite> how i just said
[11:18] <Setite> it can spark interest for software companies
[11:18] <spikeb> Frafraxy, press control alt backspace
[11:18] <Amaranth> CraHan_: It was deselecting the old version, I think.
[11:18] <drspin> [CTRL]  + [ALT]  + [BACKSPACE] 
[11:18] <Setite> how does it not help
[11:19] <JDahl> Linux already does what I need...
[11:19] <Setite> good for you
[11:19] <spikeb> i'd actually rather see more open source games - more artists and such
[11:19] <CraHan_> it's installing nautilus-cd-burner version 2.8.6
[11:19] <CraHan_> dunno if that's the latest version, but it did install ;)
[11:19] <Setite> but it is not for everyone
[11:19] <JDahl> never was it ever meant to be
[11:19] <JDahl> neither
[11:19] <Setite> it was never meant to be what
[11:20] <whaaaaa> if wlan0 doesen't show up in /etc/network/interfaces, does that mean it's not being used?
[11:20] <JDahl> "everyone" already has several OS'es, including MS and MAC
[11:20] <Setite> you mean linus torvalds mission statement was to create an OS that would not evolve to be used by all who would like to
[11:20] <JDahl> I dont think he had the "world domination" in mind... he liked Unix, and decided to write his own version
[11:20] <calc> linus didn't have a mission statement he was just hacking on something
[11:20] <Amaranth> Setite: He wanted to learn 386 assembly.
[11:21] <broodster> is the logitech MX series supported by ubuntu?
[11:21] <calc> broodster: works here, i have the cordless mx desktop
[11:21] <Frafraxy> i've restarted x, but my graphic card work 50%
[11:21] <Setite> im not saying he had the domination in mind
[11:21] <Setite> but linux should evolve to be what its capable of
[11:21] <broodster> my back and forward buttosn dont work =[
[11:21] <Frafraxy> when i restart pc it work very webb
[11:21] <Setite> you act like such a thing would be the death of linux
[11:21] <Frafraxy> when i restart pc it work very well
[11:22] <Creap> how do I add for instance one of the following servers: http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full#SE to my sources.list? I don't get what more than the uri i should enter...
[11:22] <Amaranth> Setite: You have to understand that the Linux kernel isn't perfection. Other OSes do things much better.
[11:22] <Frafraxy> but when i restart a program that use 3d...
[11:22] <Setite> nothings perfection... but its better IMO then the leader of this industry
[11:22] <Amaranth> Creap: Don't mix Debian and Ubuntu.
[11:22] <Frafraxy> it gives me some prloblems
[11:22] <Frafraxy> who can help me?
[11:22] <JDahl> no, I just dont understand all this fuzz about converting normal MS users to Linux... even if more software companies start to write commercial software for linux.
[11:22] <Amaranth> Creap: If you can figure out how to do it yourself you might stand a chance of surviving the nightmare that comes later.
[11:23] <JDahl> that's not going to make Linux as such a better OS
[11:23] <Amaranth> Frafraxy: You haven't told us what's wrong.
[11:23] <Setite> it will make it better for linux users
[11:23] <Setite> choice is the goal isn't it
[11:23] <spikeb> i care about making a better OS for them, not them making a better OS for me.
[11:24] <Setite> it would benefit linuxers if they could go to the store and buy any game they damn well please... not worrying about how well cedega will handle it
[11:24] <Setite> maybe not you
[11:24] <phyberoptix> games suck
[11:24] <Creap> Amaranth: Why shouldn't I mix? aren't they the same packages..
[11:24] <phyberoptix> i bought a ps2 for that
[11:24] <JDahl> Setite, so except for games, what do you really miss in Linux?
[11:24] <Setite> and that is an opinion you are entitled to
[11:24] <spikeb> no they aren't Creap
[11:24] <Amaranth> Creap: Not at all.
[11:24] <Creap> ok
[11:24] <Setite> well so far Opera
[11:24] <Setite> it wouldnt work when i had FC3
[11:25] <spikeb> Creap, different versions
[11:25] <phyberoptix> FC3 is a big file
[11:25] <Setite> fuck yea it is
[11:25] <phyberoptix> 2.3gigs
[11:25] <Setite> and thats the smaller one
[11:25] <Setite> nvm
[11:25] <Creap> well since when i run apt-get update and then try to update old versions of apps, they say i already have the latest
[11:25] <phyberoptix> yeah if you dont go dvd
[11:25] <Setite> im thinking fc2 which is like 4.? gigs
[11:25] <Setite> just because you think that games suck doesnt mean that no one else should have the pleasure of them
[11:25] <broodster> are there any like good linux freebie sites?
[11:26] <Setite> which is why i support the companies working for compatibility
[11:26] <broodster> where u can download some software for linux?
[11:26] <Frafraxy> Amaranth: when the PC is as soon as ignited and start a program 3d goes all good, but if I close the program and I reopen it goes in jerks.
[11:26] <phyberoptix> rpmfind.com
[11:26] <Setite> hehe what a funny question
[11:26] <phyberoptix> or sumtin like that
[11:26] <phyberoptix> u can play Quake
[11:26] <phyberoptix> i hate games tho
[11:26] <Setite> but i dont like quake
[11:27] <Setite> i know you do
[11:27] <Setite> you said so
[11:27] <phyberoptix> unless its for Ps2 or xbox
[11:27] <JDahl> Setite, I am not saying games suck... I am just pointing at this fanatic Linux missionary BS is not neccesarily going to make Linux a better OS
[11:27] <Setite> but at that i say why
[11:27] <Frafraxy> I have as soon as installed the driver, and even if riavvio X the problem remain.  I must riavviare the PC.
[11:27] <phyberoptix> i got 4weeks uptime on my Ps2
[11:27] <Frafraxy> I have as soon as installed the driver, and even if riavvio X the problem remain.  I must restart the PC.
[11:27] <Setite> pc has more games are available... and they are of better quality, larger server size, etc
[11:27] <Creap> where can i find a list of ubuntu apt-get sources then?
[11:27] <Frafraxy> who can help me?
[11:28] <Setite> jdahl... im no fanatic... and i see your point... i just think that a goal of achieving maximum selection is good
[11:28] <Setite> for games, business apps, chat apps, etc
[11:28] <Frafraxy> ?
[11:29] <Frafraxy> my english is bad, excuse me
[11:29] <teuf> I'm trying to install hoary using one of the test images, and the installer hangs during grub installatoin (it's stuck at "Determinign grub boot device"). Does that tell something to anyone ?
[11:30] <Setite> haha someone help the poor kid
[11:30] <Setite> i have no idea how to
[11:30] <Frafraxy> Setite: haha?
[11:30] <JDahl> teuf, did it already detect the harddrives at this point?
[11:31] <teuf> JDahl, yep, I partitioned the hard drive, it copied stuff to them and everything
[11:31] <teuf> but then it hangs there
[11:31] <teuf> this is a sata drive, and I had to change something in the bios to get the installer to see my cdrom drive
[11:31] <teuf> so I'm not that surprised to see the installer having issues with that ;)
[11:32] <JDahl> teuf, yeah... I've had nothing but head-aches over my work machine with Sata (running Sarge).
[11:33] <Frafraxy> Who can help me???
[11:33] <JDahl> teuf, is it a Dell by any chance?
[11:33] <teuf> packard bell
[11:33] <Creap> i have no probs with my sata drive..
[11:33] <JDahl> Creap, are you booting from it?
[11:34] <Creap> yes
[11:34] <Creap> for win i had to install some stuff first
[11:34] <Creap> the ubuntu installer found it instantly though
[11:34] <teuf> I guess I'll give up with the install then, it's my parents' computer, and hopefully I'll soon buy a laptop
[11:35] <zAo^> how can I view RAW pictures in Gthumb? Thanks in advance
[11:37] <JDahl> teuf, I dont know if it's possible in Ubuntu's expert mode install, but in Debian's installer you can manually specify partition for grub
[11:37] <teuf> JDahl, there's an expert mode in the installer ?
[11:37] <teuf> this is the kind of hint I was looking for ;)
[11:37] <JDahl> I cant remember... isnt there?
[11:38] <teuf> dunno, I didn't look
[11:42] <neighborlee> hey peeps i'm still getting that grrrr dain .ICEblah error on startup..must i remove k3b altogether to fix this ?LOL
[11:42] <teuf> JDahl, ok, found it
[11:42] <JDahl> teuf, at least it's worth a try...
[11:43] <teuf> yep
[11:43] <teuf> would be nice if it worked out of the box though ;)
[11:44] <teuf> first it refused to see my cdrom drive, then it ate my windows installation, and now it freezes :-/
[11:46] <drspin> why would you use k3b (kde and QT libs)  on a GNOME based Distro ??
[11:47] <JDahl> drspin, it's a good program... much better than Xcdroast (IMO)
[11:47] <Riddell> drspin: because it's the best CD burning programme there is and most people arn't so concerned what toolkit it's made with
[11:47] <drspin> JDahl: aye - didn't say it was worse...
[11:48] <broodster> hmm
[11:48] <broodster> i can't seem to execute a .bin
[11:48] <crimsun> chmod it executable, then execute it
[11:48] <broodster> i did
[11:48] <crimsun> chmod 500 foo && ./foo
[11:48] <broodster> i did
[11:49] <neighborlee> how does one permanantely fix the .ICEauthority error on startup ? ;-)
[11:49] <broodster> it says
[11:49] <broodster> cannot execute binary file...
[11:49] <will> neighborlee: do you have k3b installed?
[11:50] <crimsun> broodster: file foo
[11:50] <crimsun> broodster: (replace foo with the filename)
[11:51] <Kamion_> teuf: please file a bug on that grub-installer freeze, including /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages if you can get to them (failing that, the visible stuff on alt-f3 and alt-f4)
[11:51] <neighborlee> will, I do
[11:51] <broodster> yah
[11:51] <broodster> i did
[11:51] <broodster> and it says
[11:51] <broodster> cannot execute binary file
[11:51] <Kamion> teuf: I'd like the output of 'ps x' run from the shell on alt-f2 while grub-installer is frozen, too
[11:52] <teuf> Kamion, ok, I'll try to grab that
[11:52] <neighborlee> will, so that has to go to fix this permanantly ?LOL
[11:52] <Kamion> broodster: I bet the filesystem is mounted noexec
[11:52] <neighborlee> will, or until there  is a fix <G>
[11:52] <will> neighborlee: you must uninstall k3b, and k3b setup and reinstall as ROOT do NOT use sudo!
[11:52] <broodster> yah i think so
[11:52] <broodster> how do i fix it?
[11:53] <Kamion> broodster: mount -o remount,exec <filesystem>
[11:53] <broodster> The filename "jdk-1_5_0_01-nb-4_0-bin-linux-1.bin" indicates that this file is of type "unknown". The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "executable". If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system.
[11:54] <broodster> umm what do i put in filesystem?
[11:54] <crimsun> wherever your mountpoint is
[11:54] <crimsun> pwd
[11:54] <neighborlee> will, ic thx
[11:54] <teuf> Kamion, where should I file the bug ? ubuntu's bugzilla ?
[11:54] <crimsun> teuf: yes
[11:54] <Kamion> teuf: yes please, component grub-installer
[11:55] <teuf> Kamion, any other stuff you'd need ? I can grab any interesting file from the system
[11:55] <broodster> 0,0?
[11:55] <Kamion> teuf: just looking at the code now
[11:55] <Kamion> broodster: type 'df', look down the left-hand column for the best match to the directory you're in
[11:56] <will> neighborlee: there is a howto somewhere,,,,but i cant find it. try the forums :)
[11:56] <neighborlee> np
[11:57] <broodster> k this is what im typing
[11:57] <Kamion> teuf: had you already answered any other grub-related questions
[11:57] <Kamion> ?
[11:57] <broodster> sudo mount -o remount, exec /dev/hdb1
[11:57] <will> neighborlee: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988?portal_status_message=Welcome.+You+are+now+logged+in.
[11:57] <Kamion> when I omitted the space between remount, and exec I meant to do so
[11:58] <Kamion> "remount,exec", not "remount, exec"
[11:58] <broodster> oh
[11:58] <broodster> =] 
[11:58] <broodster> thanks
[11:58] <broodster> but i still can't open the .bin >_<
[11:58] <teuf> Kamion, nope, the installer copied stuff to the hard disk, then went on to install grub, and hung there (at 33%)
[11:59] <Kamion> teuf: can you reproduce this when starting the installer from scratch? if so, you could try something for me