[12:06] <Riddell> oh fooey, now I can't find libXxf86vm_pic.a
[12:12] <amu> libxxf86vm1 ?
[12:12] <daniels> Riddell: that's because it doesn't exist
[12:13] <daniels> Riddell: link with -lXxf86vm and get the shared library, not -lXxf86vm_pic, which was a hack to work around the fact it was only shipped static
[12:22] <Riddell> daniels: right, thanks
[12:42] <ogra> guys i want to file a bug against fstab, is base-files the right package ?
[12:44] <sivang> ogra: what is the bug? :)
[12:45] <Riddell> ogra: it's not a base-file, it's contents are probably created by debian-installer
[12:45] <ogra> sivang: floppy uses auto as filesystem.....what makes it impossible to mount vfat floppies through nautilus....havent tested ext2 but i suspect the same there
[12:46] <sivang> ogra: eh
[12:46] <ogra> Riddell: that would be base-config then i thin
[12:46] <ogra> k
[12:46] <ogra> sivang: you can mount them via -t vfat though.... but not in anutilus
[12:46] <ogra> nautilus
[12:49] <sivang> ogra: I think iv'e seen soemthing similar with ntfs..
[12:50] <ogra> sivang: ntfs floppies ?
[12:51] <ogra> 5060 filed :)
[01:00] <Kamion> fstab is spat out by various bits of partman.
[01:01] <Kamion> not base-config; that runs after the reboot and therefore after fstab is used
[01:01] <ogra> argh... i was to fast... sorry
[01:01] <mdz> also, 'auto' is the correct value
[01:01] <ogra> so next time i know...partman
[01:01] <Kamion> I agree, and was about to say that in the bug
[01:02] <ogra> bu tit doesnt work
[01:02] <mdz> it works for me, so the problem must lie elsewhere
[01:02] <mdz> I have seen that behaviour before, though
[01:02] <ogra> it works on none of my machines....
[01:02] <daniels> mdz: btw, per your XorgAutoDetection mail, I think there's a regression in that I can't find the way to actually force re-xresprobe'ing.  other than that, should just be s/foo/bar/.
[01:02] <ogra> and not on the lots of users machines i have supported until today.....
[01:03] <daniels> mdz: will sort it on monday
[01:03] <Kamion> ogra: auto is also the ideal value, so I'd rather see whatever bug it is that makes it not work be fixed
[01:04] <ogra> Kamion: either way will be ok, but its a common bug in #ubuntu just ask in the cannel, you will get multiple response :)
[01:04] <Kamion> I'm sure
[01:04] <Kamion> I have a policy of not being pressured by that sort of thing though
[01:05] <Kamion> in order to keep myself sane
[01:05] <ogra> but if you think its located anywhere else i will try to track it... :)
[01:06] <mdz> daniels: thanks
[01:06] <daniels> mdz: no worries
[01:06] <Kamion> it is not, fundamentally, an installer bug. A change there would only be a workaround. My best guess would be either mount itself or the kernel.
[01:06] <mdz> ogra: I just installed a fresh Warty system a couple of days ago, and it worked there
[01:07] <ogra> yep, i thought of the floppy module....
[01:07] <mdz> I believe 'auto' is passed straight through to the kernel
[01:07] <Kamion> might start with util-linux/mount/mount.c:guess_fstype_and_mount()
[01:07] <ogra> mdz: i will try to find it.....
[01:08] <Kamion> and for that matter mount_guess_fstype.c
[01:08] <ogra> ok
[01:08] <ogra> :)
[01:08] <daniels> getting images of disks which are vfat but not detected as such online would doubtless be helpful
[01:08] <Kamion> if you have trouble, please take a sample floppy and dd the whole thing
[01:08] <Kamion> ... what daniels said :)
[01:09] <Kamion> I'm certainly willing to look at such an image
[01:10] <ogra> ok i will follow up in the bug then :)
[01:30] <lamont> moo
[01:34] <Kamion> mdz: yeah, I'd go with base for ubuntu-keyring. Anything particular blocking that?
[01:34] <mdz> Kamion: not to my knowledge
[01:34] <Kamion> (noticed you added it to supported last week)
[01:34] <mdz> it will depend on gnupg, which is already in base
[01:34] <Kamion> ok, I'll do it then
[01:34] <mdz> as long as you're there, we should be able to remove libpcap0.7
[01:34] <Kamion> oh yes, can I add silo to base for sparc? seems obviously correct
[01:35] <mdz> I uploaded a ppp which builds with libpcap0.8
[01:35] <mdz> thumbs up for silo/sparc
[01:36] <Kamion> (ubuntu-keyring's under "Not quite ready for the default install yet", guess that's just transitional)
[01:38] <Kamion> lamont: should I add python-minimal and python2.4-minimal to hoary.buildd, since they'll be becoming essential?
[01:39] <mdz> Kamion: yeah, I  just didn't want to add it to base until we had talked about it
[01:39] <mdz> but it certainly should have gone into main
[01:39] <mdz> of course, it ended up in universe anyway
[01:39] <mdz> I imagine that'll cause problems for debootstrap
[01:39] <Kamion> nah, my update script will ignore it until it's in main
[01:39] <Kamion> (or restricted)
[01:39] <lamont> Kamion: certainly
[01:40] <Kamion> well, moved it to base anyway :)
[01:40] <lamont> .buildd == essential + build-essential
[01:40] <Kamion> lamont: I like to ask you before touching .buildd :)
[01:40] <lamont> Kamion: I'd rather it just kept working.. :-)  thanks though.
[01:41] <Kamion> mdz: I'll skip the debootstrap upload until ubuntu-keyring's in main then, removing libpcap0.7 shouldn't be urgent
[01:44] <lamont> mdz: UVF is today, or when?
[01:45] <Kamion> lamont: see ubuntu-devel@
[01:45] <lamont> doh
[01:45] <lamont> kewl.  I can work on postfix in debian this week then. :-0
[01:47] <Kamion> wow, svn 1.1 and the fsfs repository type totally wipe the floor with svn 1.0 and bdb
[01:49] <Kamion> mdz: what should be responsible for adding the Ubuntu archive key to apt-key? Is that an installer job?
[02:02] <mdz> Kamion: ubuntu-keyring should do that when it's configured
[02:02] <mdz> that's the plan anyway
[02:03] <lamont> mdz: btw, glibc -20 builds on ia64 finally
[02:04] <mdz> yay
[02:08] <Kamion> mdz: good-oh, less work for me
[02:26] <lamont> hrm... is python2.4 backwards compatible enough that I can just s/2.3/2.4/, or should I explicily build-dep on python2.3...
[02:28] <mdz> lamont: context?
[02:28] <lamont> ispell-lt Build-Depends: python, and hardcodes python2.3 in it's scripts
[02:28] <lamont> 5061
[02:28] <mdz> ewww
[02:28] <mdz> s/python2.3/python/g
[02:29] <lamont> I bet it works just fine to build-dep python (>=2.3) and use 'python'
[02:29] <mdz> and build-depend on python (>= 2.3)
[02:29] <lamont> great minds, and all that
[02:31] <lamont> and hppa finds it's first hoary bug. :-)
[02:32] <lamont> python 2.4 isn't the default in debian yet, though, is it...
[02:32] <Kamion> nope
[02:40] <mdz> lamont: and it isn't likely to be, if we want to release sarge
[02:49] <lamont> mdz: right
[02:49] <lamont> that was kind of the assumption
[02:52] <lamont> mdz: 5039 - color me clueless, but what package are they talking about>
[02:52] <lamont> ?
[02:53] <mdz> lamont: eric
[02:54] <lamont> let me guess.  arch all
[02:54] <mdz> universe, but we broke it
[02:54] <lamont> binNMU time, eh?  or should I create 3ubuntu1?
[02:55] <mdz> it needs source changes
[02:55] <lamont> ah, ok
[02:55] <lamont> so it's more than 'needs rebuild".  got it.
[02:59] <lamont> yeah.  needs  a few changes.  I'll deal with it later tonight, probably
[03:00] <lamont> 17 files (other than control) have the string 'python2.3' in them.
[03:00] <lifeless> is gnome-python meant to have a python 2.4 version ?
[03:03] <Kamion> lifeless: it does
[03:03] <Kamion> python2.4-gnome2
[03:06] <lifeless> Kamion: hmm, missed that.
[03:06] <Kamion> it's in a different source package from the 2.3 package
[03:06] <daniels> it started yesterday, I'm not at pool/main/g, AFAICT.
[03:08] <lifeless> does it upgraqde replace the other? All I noticed was aptitude bitching about python-gnome being removed
[03:11] <Kamion> really python-gnome, not python-gnome2?
[03:12] <Kamion> there's still a python-gnome2 package; try installing that and see what happens
[03:13] <lifeless> python-gnome2 will be automatically removed because of dependency errors:                                                                                                        #
[03:13] <lifeless>                                                                                                                                                                                  #
[03:13] <lifeless>                                                                                                                                                                                  #
[03:13] <lifeless>   * python-gnome2 depends on python (< 2.4)                                                                                                                                      #
[03:13] <lifeless>   * python-gnome2 depends on python2.3-gnome2 [universe]                                                                                                                          #
[03:13] <lifeless>   * python-gnome2 recommends python-gnome2-extras [universe]                                                                                                                      well that came out like crap.
[03:13] <lifeless> python-gnome2-extras will be automatically removed because of dependency errors:
[03:14] <lifeless> python-gnome2-extras depends on python (< 2.4)
[03:14] <Kamion> that's strange, because that's not what the package in the archive looks like
[03:14] <Kamion>  Package: python-gnome2
[03:14] <Kamion>  Version: 2.9.1-0ubuntu3
[03:14] <Kamion>  Depends: python (<< 2.5), python2.4-gnome2, python (>= 2.4)
[03:14] <Kamion> was that the log from trying to install the current version?
[03:14] <lifeless> also python-numeric, python-nuermic-ext, python-configlet
[03:15] <Kamion> sounds like synaptic is generally confused about which way to resolve the upgrade
[03:15] <lifeless> Kamion: thats aptitude up in front of me, having done an update ad hour or so ago.
[03:15] <Kamion> all those packages have been updated to python2.4, so there must be something worse that's causing it to decide not to upgrade them
[03:15] <Kamion> ok, either way
[03:15] <lifeless> ok, I'll fiddle.
[03:15] <lifeless> what about gnome-blog ?
[03:16] <Kamion>  Package: gnome-blog
[03:16] <Kamion>  Version: 0.7-4ubuntu1
[03:16] <Kamion>  Depends: gconf2 (>= 2.6.2-1), python (<< 2.5), python (>= 2.4), python-gnome2
[03:16] <lifeless> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe
[03:16] <lifeless> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[03:17] <lifeless> look ok as sources ?
[03:18] <Kamion> you should have hoary-security for universe too, but otherwise yes
[03:18] <Kamion> (not that that will make any difference at the moment)
[03:19] <lifeless> I have a pin to hoary as teh default distro
[03:19] <lifeless> just doing another update.
[03:20] <lifeless> ok, python-gnome2 is happy now.
[03:21] <lifeless> python-configlet still doesn't want to play
[03:24] <lifeless> (gnome-blog is copacetic as well)
[03:24] <Kamion> universe
[03:25] <Kamion> python-configlet hasn't been updated
[03:25] <lifeless> K.
[05:39] <lamont> is that one I can get away with filing against debian, I wonder....
[05:53] <lamont> anybody with access to update the chroot on halley around?
[06:17] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:18] <fabbione> lamont: unfortunatly not..
[06:22] <lamont> fabbione: yeah - I decided to let the buildd's do the testing for me and uploaded it
[06:22] <lamont> I do feel a little guilty, of course.
[06:23] <fabbione> lamont: yeah right :)
[06:23] <lamont> it's universe... :-0
[06:23] <fabbione> lamont: do you have a ppc chroot with the latest gcc?
[06:23] <lamont> not personally, I expect.
[06:23] <fabbione> ok
[06:23] <lamont> I actually installed a G3 the other day, but it's currently powered off.
[06:24] <fabbione> i was wondering if you could do a test build of 2.6.10 on ppc
[06:24] <fabbione> it fails on me on a driver on davis
[06:24] <fabbione> but it's an old gcc
[06:24] <fabbione> and the error looks really strange
[06:24] <lamont> SIGILL?
[06:24] <fabbione> no
[06:24] <fabbione> in a switch() case FOO
[06:25] <fabbione> it tells me that FOO can't be reduced to an integer
[06:25] <fabbione> when it perfectly does on 4 arches
[06:25] <fabbione> other than ppc
[06:25] <lamont> wonder if it's because ppc defaults to unsigned types...
[06:25] <lamont> (for at least char)
[06:25] <lamont> ppc is unique that way
[06:26] <fabbione> yeah and it uniquely breaks my packages
[06:26] <fabbione> i will ask on lkml
[06:26] <fabbione> perhaps they know
[06:26] <lamont> 508 packages done for hppa/stage1, fwiw
[06:26] <fabbione> cool
[06:26] <fabbione> when do you plan to gimme access?
[06:27] <fabbione> and how are you building now without net access?
[06:28] <lamont> they all live on a 192.168 network in the house, with access to the local mirror
[06:28] <fabbione> ssh port forward works fine :-)
[06:28] <lamont> plan is to create an ssh hop-box to let folks in, and use the cyclades for console access to same.
[06:29] <lamont> but my vacation activities have kept me out of the house quite a bit this week..
[06:29] <lamont> I'm finding it very difficult to get any work done. :-)
[06:29] <fabbione> good idea.. but in the beginning i only need ssh access (and be able to copy files around easily)
[06:29] <fabbione> ehehhe
[06:29] <fabbione> i would love to be in holidays :-)
[06:31] <lamont> I'm really wanting Wietse to relase postfix 2.2 this week, so that I can just turn on the ipv6/tls code that he has in 2.2, rather than porting the patch back to my 2.1.x pile yet again.
[06:31] <fabbione> that would be cool :-)
[06:31] <lamont> yeah - it's close, I think
[06:35] <fabbione> local root exploit confirmed in 2.6.10: Linux 2.6 KernelCapability LSM Module Local Privilege Elevation
[06:35] <fabbione> YEAHHHH
[06:35] <fabbione> and i still have to release IT!
[06:36] <lamont> fabbione: well, release it the fix then... :)
[06:36] <fabbione> lamont: i need to find pitti
[06:37] <fabbione> http://www.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/securityfocus/bugtraq/2004-12/0390.html
[06:37] <fabbione> YEAH YEAH YEAHHHHHHH
[06:37] <fabbione> RIDE THE KERNEL
[06:37] <fabbione> actually...
[06:37] <fabbione> we are not that exposed
[06:37] <fabbione> because we load capabilities before the login prompt
[06:39] <lamont> well, that's good
[06:40] <lamont> sadly, python2.4 and db4.3 both seem to be annoying hppa's 2.6.8-1 kernel, smp even more than UP.
[06:40] <lamont> rather, building those seems to be.
[06:40] <fabbione> ehhe
[06:42] <lamont> dropping python2.1 is going to take a few source changes.
[06:58] <fabbione> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:58] <fabbione>  libgtk2.0-bin
[06:58] <fabbione> lamont: do you have that problem too?
[06:59] <lamont> where?
[07:01] <fabbione> in the chroots
[07:01] <fabbione> building evolution and others
[07:02] <fabbione> Setting up libgtk2.0-bin (2.6.0-0ubuntu1) ...
[07:02] <fabbione> Updating the IM modules list for GTK+-2.4.0...done.
[07:02] <fabbione> Updating the gdk-pixbuf loaders list for GTK+-2.4.0...done.
[07:02] <fabbione> Failed to write cache file: No such file or directory
[07:02] <fabbione> dpkg: error processing libgtk2.0-bin (--configure):
[07:02] <fabbione>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[07:05] <fabbione> ah no.. you didn't see it yet because you are still missing libcamel1.2-dev
[07:05] <fabbione> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/x/ximian-connector/2.1.2-0ubuntu1/
[07:06] <lamont> ah, ok
[07:06] <fabbione> and btw.. libcamel is there now...
[07:06] <fabbione> but hell.. you are in holidays!
[07:07] <fabbione> you are not supposed to be here talking about work :-)
[08:49] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ping
[09:10] <fabbione> never mind :-)
[09:24] <Treenaks> morning abelli
[09:33] <fabbione> hey Treenaks 
[09:38] <Treenaks> hey fabbione
[09:57] <fabbione> we need a kernel task force
[09:58] <crimsun> to deal with all the security advisories?
[09:58] <fabbione> no to deal with all the configuration and build issues
[09:58] <crimsun> hmm, ok.
[09:58] <crimsun> where do we start?
[09:59] <fabbione> crimsun: what arches do you have?
[09:59] <crimsun> only i386
[10:00] <fabbione> i have that :)
[10:00] <crimsun> :)
[10:02] <calc> i got two amd64 and i386 systems :)
[10:02] <calc> and a m68k doorstop
[10:03] <fabbione> amd64 would be good
[10:11] <calc> ok
[10:15] <pitti> Hi
[10:15] <abelli> pitti: ciao
[10:16] <fabbione> hey pitti
[10:16] <fabbione> pitti: are you having nice holidays?
[10:16] <pitti> fabbione: yes, so far
[10:16] <fabbione> pitti: ok.. so i can ruin them
[10:16] <pitti> fabbione: I want to work today, my mailbox explodes and there are a bunch of security issues...
[10:16] <fabbione> local root exploit on all the 2.6 serie
[10:17] <pitti> yay
[10:17] <pitti> I just started looking into my mailbox
[10:17] <fabbione> and it's public
[10:17] <pitti> I will probably need about two hours to catch up with the most important stuff
[10:19] <fabbione> it was funny this morning to edit /etc/shadow as normal user :-)
[10:21] <pitti> d'oh
[10:25] <fabbione> i don't understand why it takes 2 hours each day to run updatedb
[10:26] <fabbione> is it a known problem?
[10:28] <Treenaks> is the bug even in 2.6.10?
[10:31] <fabbione> all of the 2.6 kernels
[10:31] <Treenaks> great
[10:31] <fabbione> starting from 2.5.7x something
[10:32] <Treenaks> there have been a LOT of holes in 2.6.x lately
[10:32] <Treenaks> or is everyone just looking harder?
[10:32] <fabbione> ot
[10:32] <fabbione> it
[10:32] <fabbione> it's Xmas
[10:33] <fabbione> it must be xmas
[10:35] <Treenaks> fabbione: it's the capability one?
[10:35] <fabbione> yeps
[10:35] <Treenaks> so if you have it "built-in" instead of loaded as a module it isn't a problem? *reading bugtraq archive*
[10:37] <calc> btw ati is looking for testers of their new drivers including amd64 support
[10:37] <fabbione> Treenaks: yes. i have been thinking about it too
[10:37] <daniels> and pcie
[11:03] <fabbione> who broke apt?
[11:03] <fabbione> 5492 -rw-r--r--  1 sparcbuildd sparcbuildd 5608995 2004-12-29 11:02 apt_0.6.29_20041229-0720
[11:03] <fabbione> configure loop endless
[11:07] <mvo> fabbione: usually I break it and matt uploads it 
[11:07] <mvo> fabbione: can I see a build-log?
[11:08] <fabbione> mvo: sure
[11:08] <fabbione> mvo: email address?
[11:09] <mvo> michael.vogt@canonical.com
[11:09] <fabbione> ah no
[11:09] <fabbione> i think it is something else
[11:09] <fabbione> hmm
[11:09] <mvo> ah, ok
[11:09] <mvo> I was wondering what it might be. the changes from 0.6.28->29 are pretty harmless
[11:09] <fabbione> cd build && CXXFLAGS="" ../configure --build sparc-linux
[11:09] <fabbione> ../configure: line 21: /dev/null: Permission denied
[11:10] <fabbione> this IS WEIRD!
[11:10] <mvo> hehe
[11:10] <mvo> /dev/null is full :P
[11:11] <daniels> sparc obviously sucks
[11:12] <fabbione> daniels: actually.. sparc was the only one building 2.6.10 ;)
[11:32] <fabbione> mvo: udev was at fault
[11:32] <mvo> fabbione: thanks
[11:32] <fabbione> the new version did started automatically
[11:33] <fabbione> mangling all the permissions in /dev
[11:33] <mvo> uhhh, that sucks
[11:36] <daniels> ok, people with up-to-date hoary: does /usr/bin/python point to /etc/alternatives/python, or python2.4?
[11:37] <mvo> daniels: /usr/bin/python -> python2.4
[11:37] <mvo> updated yesterday
[11:37] <daniels> mvo: ok, thanks
[11:45] <fabbione> i guess pitti rooted himself
[11:46] <Treenaks> fabbione: the Australian way?
[11:50] <fabbione> Treenaks: the goatse way
[12:27] <pef> hello
[01:58] <fabbione> pitti: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione/pasta/linguine_ai_frutti_di_mare/
[01:58] <lamont> daniels: python does not use alternatives.
[01:59] <fabbione> pitti: you will hate me for that
[01:59] <fabbione> hey lamont 
[01:59] <fabbione> lamont: did you update any of the chroot on the buildd recently?
[01:59] <pitti> fabbione: as soon as my modem link downloaded the pics, I will :-)
[01:59] <fabbione> lamont: if so be very careful about udev
[01:59] <fabbione> lamont: for some reasons the new udev started the daemon (correctly), but it killed all the permissions on the devices
[02:00] <lamont> fabbione: the chroots autoupdate every morning.
[02:00] <fabbione> including /dev/null
[02:00] <pitti> fabbione: bah, I doubt that I would eat that stuff. But enjoy! :-)
[02:00] <lamont> fabbione: but then, udev isn't in a proper chroot.
[02:01] <lamont> s/proper/proper buildd
[02:01] <fabbione> lamont: iirc it was pulled in a dist-upgrade
[02:05] <fabbione> pitti: you don't like seafood?
[02:05] <pitti> fabbione: not at all
[02:05] <fabbione> pitti: oh god..
[02:05] <fabbione> it must suck to be you
[02:05] <fabbione> :P
[02:06] <pitti> fabbione: I like fish, but not the other stuff (with many legs and so on)
[02:08] <lamont> fabbione: most recent dist-upgrade (as of 15 seconds ago) pulled in apt 0.6.29.  that is all.  no udev
[02:09] <mdz> a buildd wouldn't get it
[02:09] <fabbione> hmmm
[02:09] <mdz> it's depended upon by things like ubuntu-base, hal, etc.
[02:09] <lamont> fabbione: that's what I'm thinking you have too..
[02:09] <fabbione> oh well
[02:09] <fabbione> i will bootstrap another one
[02:18] <lamont> well, off to denver for the day - back later
[02:43] <sjoerd> fabbione: did you have a chance to try 2.6.10 on sparc?
[02:45] <fabbione> not yet
[02:45] <fabbione> it compiles.. that's all i know
[02:47] <mjg59> fabbione: Do you have debs of the 2.6.10 build yet?
[02:48] <sjoerd> fabbione: my machine hangs when switching from openprom to the framebuffer.. can you let me know if it works for you :)
[02:48] <fabbione> mjg59: i am going to upload in a hour or so
[02:48] <fabbione> sjoerd: it might as well boot fine for me because i only have serial console
[02:49] <fabbione> so fb would fail to load
[02:49] <sjoerd> that would be also interesting to know
[02:58] <pitti> Mithrandir: ping
[03:02] <fabbione> pitti:
[03:02] <fabbione> cd debian/config
[03:02] <fabbione> for i in `find . -type f`; do cat $i | sed -e 's/SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=m/SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=y/g' > $i.new && mv $i.new $i; done
[03:03] <fabbione> this will change all the config files to get capability inside the kernel
[03:03] <pitti> fabbione: sounds like a quick and safe fix
[03:03] <fabbione> i just uploaded 2.6.9-11 with that and the ip-conntrack ftp fix
[03:03] <fabbione> pitti: yes.
[03:04] <fabbione> there was another message on the lkml
[03:04] <pitti> fabbione: I think the worst that could happen to warty is that you get an error message at bootup if /etc/modules contains capability
[03:04] <pitti> ?
[03:04] <fabbione> but nothing more than: It is difficult to exploit
[03:04] <fabbione> pitti: i think so... yes
[03:04] <fabbione> pitti: i would still ask Herbert and mdz to be 10000% sure
[03:04] <pitti> fabbione: do we need to fix Warty for this ip_conntrack issue?
[03:04] <fabbione> pitti: well.. it's a memory leak when using fxp
[03:05] <fabbione> it's not urgent but if you are doing a USN, just stick it in
[03:05] <pitti> fabbione: can you please mail me and Herbert the patch?
[03:05] <fabbione> pitti: you add a 100% for each arch and for each flavour of the kernel you are going to upload :-)
[03:06] <pitti> fabbione: ah, ok :-)
[03:06] <fabbione> pitti: the patch for for the ftp?
[03:06] <pitti> yes
[03:06] <fabbione> i think i gave it to you already
[03:06] <fabbione> otherwise -11 will hit the archive in a few minutes
[03:06] <fabbione> it's called fix-ip-conn*
[03:06] <pitti> fabbione: I don't have it yet, but I can just take it from the archive then
[03:07] <fabbione> pitti: ok.. ok.. you lazy bastard :)
[03:07] <pitti> fabbione: ?
[03:07] <fabbione> i will mail it
[03:08] <fabbione> pitti: mail on the way
[03:08] <pitti> fabbione: thanks
[03:09] <fabbione> sorry i didn't find Herbert mail on the fly
[03:09] <pitti> I forward it, np
[04:40] <mako> "Believe me or not, the Ubuntu Linux is wanted like hot bread here in Romania. :)"
[04:42] <ogra> yay
[04:42] <ogra> i belive
[04:42] <ogra> how is the heating situation ?
[04:44] <mako> the super fixed it yesterday :)
[04:44] <mako> *so* much better
[04:48] <ogra> yay
[04:48] <ogra> congrats :)
[04:53] <fabbione> goody
[04:53] <fabbione> 2.6.10 uploaded
[04:53] <HcE> =)
[04:57] <fabbione> elmo_away: linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-1_source.changes is NEW
[04:59] <pitti> fabbione: oh, what did you add?
[05:00] <fabbione> nothing.. it's a NEW package...
[05:00] <fabbione> source linux-source-2.6.10
[05:00] <fabbione> that is not in the archive yet
[05:01] <fabbione> it is simply new :-)
[05:02] <fabbione> ok.. that's enough for today
[05:02] <fabbione> cya tommorrow
[05:02] <pitti> oh
[05:02] <fabbione> seb128: hey
[05:02] <pitti> fabbione: see you
[05:02] <pitti> Hi seb128 
[05:03] <fabbione>  libgtk2.0-bin is broken
[05:03] <seb128> hey
[05:03] <seb128> fabbione: since when ?
[05:03] <fabbione> Setting up libgtk2.0-bin (2.6.0-0ubuntu1) ...
[05:03] <fabbione> Updating the IM modules list for GTK+-2.4.0...done.
[05:03] <fabbione> Updating the gdk-pixbuf loaders list for GTK+-2.4.0...done.
[05:03] <fabbione> Failed to write cache file: No such file or directory
[05:03] <fabbione> dpkg: error processing libgtk2.0-bin (--configure):
[05:03] <fabbione>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:03] <fabbione> on a fresh chroot
[05:03] <fabbione> not sure...
[05:03] <fabbione> i noticed today on the sparc buildd logs
[05:03] <fabbione> probably is something else that broke
[05:04] <fabbione> not sure..
[05:04] <fabbione> hadn't have the time to check
[05:04] <seb128> hum ok
[05:08] <mako> Kamion (or anyone else): where is the source for the installer documentation?
[05:09] <ogra> sivang ?
[05:11] <ogra> sivang: in #ubuntu is a guy who wants to help on hebrew localization .... nick: nakee
[05:17] <Kamion> mako: debian-installer
[05:18] <mvo__> Kamion: can you please put ubuntu-keyring into the base seed?
[05:18] <Kamion> mvo__: already done
[05:18] <Kamion> last night
[05:18] <mvo__> Kamion: great, thanks!
[05:18] <Kamion> mvo__: it's still in universe though, can't add it to debootstrap until elmo gets back
[05:18] <mako> Kamion: thanks
[05:20] <mako> Kamion: the doc team is talking about the installation manual in #ubuntu-doc
[05:21] <mvo__> I'm off to buy some food, will be back in ~1h
[05:34] <kylem> wow. somebody is annoying.
[05:35] <fabbione> nah
[05:35] <fabbione> i know him personally.. it must have been some crack on the client
[05:35] <fabbione> note that he was killing himself
[05:35] <kylem> heh.
[05:48] <Kamion> daniels: is there any equivalent of http://www.xfree86.org/current/mouse.html for X.Org?
[05:49] <sivang> ogra: here
[05:50] <ogra> sivang: in #ubuntu was a guy who wants to help on hebrew localization .... nick: nakee
[05:50] <ogra> dunno if he is still there
[05:50] <sivang> ogra: let's see
[05:50] <ogra> :)
[05:51] <sivang> ogra: thanks :)
[05:51] <ogra> :)
[06:35] <mako> sivang: were you the one talking about a central place for pictures of the ubuntu conference?
[06:36] <ogra> mako: i was asking for that (probably sivang as well)
[06:36] <ogra> mako: for ppl that dont have the bandwith or server place
[06:39] <mako> ogra: well, i'm setting a wiki page to link to them
[06:39] <ogra> great :)
[06:39] <mako> and perhaps some general soul will offer some server space
[06:40] <sivang> mako: also, why? 
[06:40] <ogra> i would, but i pay the bandwith :(
[06:40] <mako> ogra: i might have a place..
[06:41] <ogra> ah, oj....i'm fine with my pcis on my server....just for others....
[06:41] <sivang> mako: I can ask ChrisH also about the webspace
[06:41] <ogra> pics
[06:44] <mako> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MataroPictures
[06:44] <mako> Treenaks: you have pictures, right
[06:44] <mako> Treenaks: you should link them up here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MataroPictures
[06:45] <ogra> mako: they are all here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ConferenceGalleries
[06:47] <mako> ogra: ah, you are correct
[06:48] <ogra> mako: i thought you added a upload capable page to the wiki.....
[06:48] <ogra> mako: but that would be redundant....
[06:49] <mako> ogra: i can change the other one
[06:49] <ogra> yep, i think that would be cool, or move the links over (i like youre title more ) ;)
[06:50] <mako> Treenaks: sorry, disregards me
[06:55] <smurfix> So who broke the Wiki's "page not found" dialog?
[06:57] <ogra> smurfix: doesnt look broken here
[06:57] <ogra> smurfix: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search?SearchableText=blah
[06:59] <smurfix> Umm, just go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FooBarBazWhatever -- that looked better last week.
[07:01] <ogra> smurfix: uuuh ugly
[07:06] <ogra> smurfix: (not amayas gallery....)
[07:06] <smurfix> ogra: I kindof understood what you were referring to. ;-)
[07:06] <ogra> :)
[07:12] <sivang> smurfix: Israeli team page done.
[07:12] <sivang> smurfix: what about new moin, any nwes?
[07:14] <smurfix> sivang: Just watch Debian bug #287006, or subscribe to moin in the PTS...
[07:16] <smurfix> I'll install it as soon as it's available.
[07:20] <sivang> smurfix: thanks.
[07:34] <sm> smurfix: that was me, see ubuntu-user
[07:35] <sm> the old error page was pretty but useless, I thought
[07:36] <smurfix> sm: The new error page looks like it belongs to a wholly different website, though
[07:37] <sm> ok, I'll work on that
[07:37] <sm> if you think it should be reverted until then, bring it up on the list and I'll obey consensus
[07:38] <sm> oh, I'm on -devel here aren't I.. we *make* consensus.. :)
[07:39] <zul> beat heads in :)
[07:42] <smurfix> sm: IMHO it makes sense to revert that change until your new page is ready, but it's your call.
[07:42] <sm> smurfix: ok
[07:42] <sm> it would help if I could get in to the ZMI root folder.. does anyone know why :8002 no longer responds ?
[08:13] <mxpxpod> fabbione: ping
[08:39] <lamont> or fabbione 
[08:51] <sm> smurfix: I've reinstated a simplified version with the plone skin
[08:52] <ogra> sm: looks very good now
[08:52] <sm> thx
[08:52] <sm> do you think it should do a search automatically ?
[08:55] <ogra> what would it search if you type: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FooBarBazWhatever
[08:59] <sm> probably the wiki
[08:59] <sm> I don't do that by default because of robots
[08:59] <sm> but  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/whatever seems to do a full site search already
[09:00] <sm> so why not
[09:01] <ogra> yep, then do it...
[09:11] <sm> ok done
[09:11] <daniels> Kamion: http://xorg.freedesktop.org/X11R6.8.1/doc/mouse.html
[09:11] <daniels> lamont: yeah, he fiddled the symlink himself, hence why it's normal.  should be more robust. ;)
[09:15] <ogra> daniels: great to see you.... 
[09:17] <ogra> daniels: i have a user question.....(will ask in #ubuntu) if you got a sec....
[09:18] <daniels> ogra: yo
[09:18] <daniels> ogra: not really, sorry.  just quickly checking everything before i run off.  but put 'daniels:' at the start of the line and I'll check it when I get back later.
[09:19] <ogra> daniels: upgraded my flowerpower imac yesterday xorg doesnt work but gdm starts fine with a blyck screen....any hints ? no errors so far....
[09:22] <ogra> daniels: there is no hurry for an answer, its one of my many  "play around" boxes....could even wait till next year...
[09:53] <Kamion> daniels: thanks, updated for the next release
[10:07] <TD> any launchpad gurus here?
[11:49] <lamont> daniels: I have a MANIFEST for hppa for you...
[11:49] <lamont> what files did you need again, and where do should they go in the source ball?
[11:50] <daniels> lamont: MANIFEST.hppa.new, just throw it over, unless you've constructed a MANIFEST.hppa.in, xserver-xorg.{docs,install}.hppa, and xlibmesa-dri.install.hppa :)
[11:50] <daniels> Kamion: no worries
[11:51] <daniels> ogra: ah, looks like a HorizSync/VertRefresh thing.  file a bug with the output of sudo ddcprobe, lspci -v and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:51] <ogra> daniels: fine, thanks...
[11:52] <lamont> daniels: people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/MANIFEST.hppa.new
[11:53] <lamont> daniels: what is the minimum that I need to do to construct a -ubuntu8.1 locally?
[11:53] <lamont> stage1 is kinda wedged waiting for xorg, you see.
[11:55] <Kamion> daniels: is http://xorg.freedesktop.org/ a better URL to point to from the installation manual for X.Org in general than http://www.x.org/?
[11:55] <lamont> well, and gcc-3.3 and db4.3, but almost nothing cares about db4.3 yet
[11:56] <Clint> grr
[11:57] <daniels> lamont: look at the diff between *.i386 between xfree86 and xorg, use that to construct *.hppa.  bear in mind that MANIFEST is split between MANIFEST.all.in and MANIFEST.hppa.in
[11:58] <daniels> lamont: so yeah, basically just work from XFree86 and look at the diffs between the i386 stuff between xfree86 and xorg, and also the diff between the MANIFEST.hppa{,.in}
[11:58] <daniels> Kamion: shit yes.  www.x.org is an abysmal website, and nothing should ever point there.
[11:58] <Kamion> alrighty
[11:58] <daniels> Kamion: cheers
[11:58] <lamont> daniels: and if you do it, when will it be available? :-)
[11:58] <daniels> Kamion: oh btw, /current/doc/ will be longer-lived
[11:58] <daniels> lamont: i don't start work again until the 3rd :)
[11:59] <Kamion> daniels: ahead of you :)
[11:59] <daniels> Kamion: heh