[12:00] <broodster> hey
[12:00] <broodster> do i need a program
[12:00] <Kamion> teuf: switch to alt-f2 around the middle of the installation (during the partitioning stage is good), switch to alt-f2, 'nano /var/lib/dpkg/info/grub-installer.postinst', put 'set -x' (without the quotes) on the second line, save and exit the editor, and then continue with the installation
[12:00] <broodster> to open binaries?
[12:00] <Kamion> broodster: type 'head -n 1 jdk-1_5_0_01-nb-4_0-bin-linux-1.bin' and show us the output, please
[12:01] <Kamion> teuf: then you should have a full trace of what grub-installer's doing in /var/log/syslog (I think, or it might be /var/log/messages)
[12:01] <Kamion> teuf: the code there is rather simple and doesn't talk to hardware; all I can think of is that it must be an infinite loop
[12:01] <broodster> |  GNUUEv1^PTRh D
[12:01] <broodster>                                                     hQVhUSP[ Jt&BJUJ
[12:02] <broodster> that's the output o_O
[12:02] <spikeb> it'd be nice if rhythmbox actually scanned directories for changes on load
[12:02] <Kamion> broodster: oh so it's actually an executable, not a shell script, hm
[12:03] <Kamion> broodster: what happens when you type 'file jdk-1_5_0_01-nb-4_0-bin-linux-1.bin'?
[12:03] <broodster> it's java
[12:03] <broodster> runtime
[12:03] <broodster> how the hell do i open it
[12:03] <Kamion> paste the output of 'file jdk-1_5_0_01-nb-4_0-bin-linux-1.bin' please
[12:03] <teuf> Kamion, ok, I'm gonna get that stuff, I'll be back in a while
[12:03] <Kamion> teuf: thanks
[12:04] <broodster> broodster@broodster:~ $ sudo sh jre.bin
[12:04] <broodster> jre.bin: jre.bin: cannot execute binary file
[12:04] <broodster> oh woops
[12:04] <broodster> broodster@broodster:~ $ file jre.bin
[12:04] <broodster> jre.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, statically linked, stripped
[12:04] <Kamion> sh won't be able to open it, obviously, it's not a shell script
[12:04] <Creap> isn't there a firefox 1.0 for ubuntu?
[12:04] <Kamion> you *are* on i386, aren't you?
[12:04] <broodster> amd64
[12:04] <teuf> Kamion, hmm, actually it doesn't totally hang, but the boot device detection takes a few minutes, dunno if that's to be expected or if it's still worth a bug ?
[12:04] <broodster> oh
[12:04] <Kamion> Creap: yes, in hoary, it wasn't released when warty released and the release candidate gave us troubles
[12:05] <broodster> it's only for intel based architectures?
[12:05] <spikeb> Creap, there's a backport available
[12:05] <spikeb> Creap, check http://www.cuodan.net/~spike/sources.list for the details
[12:05] <Creap> ok tnx
[12:05] <Kamion> broodster: I can't remember if amd64 can run statically linked i386 binaries
[12:05] <Setite> is cd burning really as difficult as it seems to be from this chat room
[12:06] <spikeb> no
[12:06] <Kamion> it can run dynamically linked ones if you have the libraries there
[12:06] <Setite> i see so many people saying its not working
[12:06] <spikeb> works fine for me
[12:06] <Setite> staticly linked?
[12:06] <Setite> hey who is successfully using ubuntu64 with 32bit libs
[12:06] <Kamion> openoffice.org works for me on amd64, and that's a 32-bit application in warty
[12:07] <Setite> with 32bit chroot or that other method
[12:07] <Setite> really
[12:07] <Kamion> 32-bit chroots work perfectly
[12:07] <Setite> is that common
[12:07] <Setite> but did you do the thing to add them
[12:07] <Kamion> not really, OOo just isn't 64-bit clean at the moment so we punted to the 32-bit version
[12:07] <Kamion> which is a lot more work for us actually
[12:08] <broodster> okay well
[12:08] <Kamion> it's much easier if stuff builds and runs 64-bit
[12:08] <broodster> how do i run abinary?
[12:08] <Kamion> broodster: ./jre.bin
[12:08] <Setite> is there an automated process for rebuilding progs to use 64-bit libs
[12:08] <Kamion> or whatever
[12:08] <Kamion> Setite: same as building packages from source for any other system
[12:08] <Setite> remember i know nothing so im just throwing out random questions without knowledge of plausibility or possibility
[12:08] <broodster> wow
[12:08] <broodster> thanks =D
[12:08] <Kamion> if you don't have the source code, you're screwed.
[12:09] <Setite> but if i download 32-bit code and compile it... it will automatically use the 64-bit libs? successfully?
[12:09] <Kamion> broodster: I never thought that you wouldn't have tried that, since crimsun suggested it to you above
[12:09] <Kamion> Setite: source code (at least halfway decent code) is not intrinsically 32-bit or otherwise, it's just source
[12:10] <Kamion> if it's badly written it might break in a 64-bit environment for one reason or another, in which case you should get the author to fix it
[12:10] <spikeb> i should compile muine
[12:10] <nevyn> Kamion: some * = (void *) someint
[12:10] <Kamion> nevyn: like I say, badly written code
[12:10] <broodster> oh
[12:10] <nevyn> Kamion: but nevertheless common.
[12:10] <broodster> i just spotted the amd64 version
[12:10] <broodster> lol
[12:11] <Kamion> nevyn: sure, didn't say it wasn't
[12:11] <Kamion> nevyn: that's independent of the fact that Setite is confused about what source code is ... :)
[12:11] <Kamion> yes, amd64 can run statically linked i386 executables, just tested
[12:12] <Setite> i know what it is mostly... im just not 100% familiar with what makes code 64-bit...
[12:12] <Kamion> nevyn: mind you, most of the Debian/Ubuntu archives are pretty clean of that sort of thing.
[12:12] <Setite> one more question for the 64-bit thing... well 2... is source generally available for most apps?
[12:13] <spikeb> the source is available for evry open source app
[12:13] <JDahl> Setite, it's just a C program like any other
[12:13] <Setite> hehe nvm.. 1
[12:13] <nevyn> Kamion: true they are. bdale had a big push on portability a while ago.
[12:13] <Kamion> nevyn: and many others, yes
[12:13] <nevyn> and then ubuntu pushed it further.
[12:13] <Kamion> we haven't done very much in that field compared to what went before us
[12:13] <nevyn> when he was dpl it was one of his big deals
[12:13] <Kamion> we run build daemons and catch the odd bug
[12:14] <nevyn> yeah so are ubuntu using the standard buildd's?
[12:14] <nevyn> or custom ones?
[12:14] <Kamion> pretty much standard, some modifications
[12:14] <nevyn> and are you autobuilding on x86?
[12:14] <Kamion> most of which have been fed back to Ryan
[12:14] <daniels> (we're not using debian's actual buildd machines, obviously)
[12:14] <Kamion> sure
[12:14] <nevyn> that's one of my big bugbears with debian.
[12:14] <nevyn> that they don't autobuild on the maintainers arch
[12:15] <Kamion> it makes sense in the Debian world; you wouldn't get decent testing of uploaded packages otherwise
[12:15] <Kamion> at least with source+binary uploads you can hope that the *maintainer* tested the upload.
[12:15] <nevyn> Kamion: the problem is. that there are two packages I know of..
[12:15] <Setite> bugbear?
[12:15] <nevyn> that are built agains the nvidia glx headers
[12:15] <Kamion> Setite: gripe
[12:15] <killpanda> plop :)
[12:15] <nevyn> Setite: annoyance.. gripe
[12:15] <spikeb> heh nevyn
[12:15] <Setite> yea i figured that... but i found it to be an odd word
[12:16] <killpanda> how has installed ubuntu on an oldworld powerpc ? :)
[12:16] <Kamion> nevyn: yes, regrettably that happens occasionally, but it's fairly rare and generally dwarfed by other problems
[12:16] <calc> otoh binary uploads mean that you have no idea if arch all packages can be built
[12:16] <Kamion> calc: sure we do, Daniel Schepler runs around with a private autobuilder and files bugs religiously
[12:16] <calc> Kamion: heh :)
[12:16] <nevyn> unless the maintainer is very conciencous and uses an sbuild
[12:16] <Setite> hehe i wonder what ill learn from sams teach yourself linux in 24 hours
[12:17] <spikeb> probably not much
[12:17] <calc> how to use the gui
[12:17] <Setite> well im reading it for one thing
[12:17] <nevyn> Setite: teach yourself C for linux in 24 hrs isn't terible.
[12:17] <nevyn> main is an int like god intended
[12:17] <Setite> i want to know wtf xfree86 and x.org are
[12:17] <calc> Setite: safari is cool :)
[12:17] <nevyn> 24 days not hrs
[12:17] <Setite> i dunno if i want to learn C
[12:17] <nevyn> Setite: x servers
[12:18] <crimsun> C is probably the easiest language to learn
[12:18] <Setite> haha visual basic drove me nuts
[12:18] <nevyn> Setite: they're the underlying infastructure of the graphical user interface
[12:18] <calc> c++ seems easier so far
[12:18] <Setite> shit this book is old
[12:18] <calc> but python rox them all :)
[12:18] <crimsun> K&R is a testament to the simplicity of C
[12:18] <nevyn> calc: you're not the calc?
[12:18] <crimsun> he is _the_ calc.
[12:18] <calc> nevyn: i'm not?
[12:18] <Kamion> Setite: 64-bit dependencies in source code tend to be things like making unwarranted assumptions about the lengths of primitive types like int
[12:18] <Setite> what else do i have
[12:18] <killpanda> erf, I have a problem when I want to boot the fresh installed box ... he tell me that he can't open root device ... but I can try with all the root= options I want he don't boot :'(
[12:18] <Setite> int
[12:18] <nevyn> the one who maintained large portions of kde?
[12:19] <Kamion> killpanda: there's a reason we don't support oldworld :(
[12:19] <calc> nevyn: yes
[12:19] <Setite> see... you talking about sex to a two year old
[12:19] <killpanda> Kamion: arfff
[12:19] <nevyn> I still say C should have had a bounded datatype in the language.
[12:19] <Kamion> killpanda: somebody has done it, there's a bug open about it
[12:19] <nevyn> I ment unbounded.
[12:19] <killpanda> Kamion: ok
[12:19] <Setite> hmmm oreilly learning debian gnu
[12:19] <calc> nevyn: i learned languages orignally by doing (no books), i'm going back and relearning them now via books to close the gaps
[12:19] <Setite> this may teach me something
[12:19] <nevyn> ah
[12:20] <nevyn> I've done lots of books.
[12:20] <nevyn> I need to do 3 years of working with code.
[12:20] <Kamion> Setite: you probably won't get the difference between XFree86 and X.org out of a book; it's a fairly recent development and largely political rather than technical
[12:20] <killpanda> i had tried with a 2.4 kernel and it worked but for the modules and others it is not very good ...
[12:20] <calc> nevyn: hmm?
[12:21] <Setite> ok
[12:21] <killpanda> ( i'm french, excuse me for the bad english :) )
[12:21] <calc> crimsun: doing oop in c seems a bit more complicated than c++ for example ;)
[12:21] <nevyn> calc: I know lots of programming theory. I need to do some serious coding.
[12:21] <crimsun> calc: you're better off shooting yourself in the foot ;)
[12:21] <nevyn> calc: umm yes cause in c you have to write all the infastructure yourself.
[12:21] <nevyn> C is procedural. don't try and make it something it's not.
[12:22] <calc> nevyn: isn't that the point of gnome on c?
[12:22] <Setite> hehe this may be the best book of all these ones
[12:22] <Setite> still older than hell
[12:22] <nevyn> no the gnome people hate  OOP
[12:22] <crimsun> is Miguel still a gnome person?
[12:23] <siulca> Hi
[12:23] <calc> crimsun: yes he made top 50 on network world this week
[12:23] <nevyn> they're all eww reflection callbacks are the bomb.
[12:23] <calc> crimsun: he's a VP at novell
[12:23] <crimsun> and isn't Miguel a Mono person? ;)
[12:23] <calc> yes
[12:23] <Setite> did anyone switch to linux for school reasons
[12:23] <calc> and mono isn't oop, it just your imagination ;)
[12:23] <nevyn> heh
[12:24] <crimsun> calc :P
[12:24] <Setite> never again do i want to lose a report because im too dumb to save it...
[12:24] <Kamion> nevyn: *shrug* the GNOME libraries are object-oriented
[12:24] <siulca> can I install Return To Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territoy on my Ubuntu? I knwo there's a linux version but not sure if it's compatible with Ubuntu. Anyonw has a clue?
[12:24] <nevyn> Kamion: in  C which is just.. wrong.
[12:24] <crimsun> siulca: yes, you can. It runs fine.
[12:24] <drspin> HIGH SCHOOL --
[12:24] <calc> i switched to linux because it was hard
[12:24] <Kamion> nevyn: I don't agree
[12:24] <crimsun> siulca: it's distro-independent
[12:24] <scizzo> siulca: it works just fine...
[12:24] <drspin> Calc: exactly ;)
[12:24] <calc> now its too easy, bah ;)
[12:24] <Kamion> nevyn: that argument is not really appropriate here, though :)
[12:24] <siulca> crimsun: excellent cool amazing :D
[12:25] <nevyn> Kamion: true.
[12:25] <killpanda> goodbye mens :)
[12:25] <kuckus> Hi all
[12:25] <crimsun> calc: better move on to BSD! ;)
[12:25] <calc> crimsun: BSD has gnome/kde too :\
[12:25] <calc> i need to switch back to altair or something ;)
[12:25] <crimsun> ;)
[12:25] <siulca> that reminds me I still need to install my 9800XT drivers... anyone knows of a howTo?
[12:25] <JDahl> Setite, I switched from Win3.11 for some undergraduate programming courses around 10 years ago... the 64kb segments in Windows were driving me nuts
[12:25] <drspin> Calc - develop your own distro...
[12:26] <calc> really i switched to linux because i saw the magic word on a login screen to my isp in 1995
[12:26] <Setite> calc.. i switched for that reason with redhat 6.... and rendered a harddrive nearly worthless
[12:26] <calc> heh
[12:26] <Setite> hehe... i was like 12 or 13 then
[12:26] <calc> i remember redhat 6 that wasn't too long ago
[12:27] <calc> i stopped using redhat with release 5.0
[12:27] <kuckus> I just killed my XF86...conf after installing radeon drivers without making a backup first... so I was thinking of letting the installer script re-run to get the one it created automatically during installation back. Is that a good idea? Also, in case it is, what is the installer script called and where do I find it?
[12:27] <Setite> yea it wasnt... like 99 i think
[12:27] <calc> that was a big pos
[12:27] <drspin> my first dual boot was RH 6
[12:27] <drspin> and win98
[12:27] <Setite> i wasnt successful
[12:27] <will> i switched to linux about 3 months ago
[12:27] <adam_> I tried extracting a cd to wave and it does it at .6, I have a NEC dvdrw 16X, shouldnt it extract much faster?
[12:27] <adam_> Is dma not enabled?
[12:27] <broodster> hmmm
[12:27] <drspin> dma?
[12:27] <Setite> yea i imagine alot of people switched at rh6 time.... it was a peak in windows instability
[12:27] <broodster> how do i compile a .jar?
[12:27] <calc> adam_: perhaps or if the disk is scratched it will go slow as well
[12:27] <adam_> direct memory access
[12:27] <nevyn> adam_: it's cdparanoia.
[12:28] <adam_> disc is brand new, perfect
[12:28] <adam_> cdparanoia isnt that slow if i remember right
[12:28] <drspin> no I knew that -- I was saying to check if it's on or not
[12:28] <adam_> .6?
[12:28] <nevyn> adam_: reading redbook is harder than reading data cd's
[12:28] <calc> adam_: yea cdparanoia should be faster on a good disc
[12:28] <nevyn> adam_: even without dma you should go faster than that.
[12:28] <calc> adam_: try ripping it directly with cdparanoia and see what it does
[12:28] <adam_> itunes and windows media extract at light speed in comparison
[12:29] <will> kuckus: just edit the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file and change the driver :)
[12:29] <nevyn> it's not copy protected or something evil?
[12:29] <Setite> haha i just learned why OS's exist
[12:29] <Setite> hehe
[12:29] <adam_> Kraftwerk Computer World
[12:29] <calc> itunes rips slow as well if you set it to do error correction
[12:29] <calc> but usually at least 4x
[12:29] <adam_> I dont think its protected
[12:29] <calc> cdparanoia can successfully rip stuff itunes dies on though
[12:29] <drspin> I rip at 7x with iTunes error correction and 16-18x without :D
[12:29] <will> kuckus: or run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:30] <calc> i have some really bad cds that cdparanoia rips fine, but itunes completely stops
[12:30] <calc> on that topic is there anything that can encode to m4a format on linux for playback on ipods?
[12:30] <adam_> 7X is fast compared to .6X
[12:30] <kuckus> will: That *might* work... though I'm not sure what else my dpkg-reconfigure adventure that was proposed in the FAQ changed ;) I'll give it a try
[12:31] <calc> adam_: yea 0.6X sounds like something bad is happening
[12:31] <drspin> calc: why not just use mp3?
[12:31] <calc> same reason people use ogg over mp3, m4a is much better than mp3
[12:31] <kuckus> will: That's what I did in the first place, afterwards the xserver wouldn't start again
[12:31] <drspin> calc: I agree...
[12:31] <will> kuckus: if you accept the defaults it wont change anything:)
[12:31] <calc> and ipod can't play ogg :\
[12:31] <drspin> install ipodlinux :)
[12:31] <kuckus> will: well I accepted most, so....
[12:32] <kuckus> will: anyway I'll just try again.
[12:32] <daniels> drspin: ipodlinux only plays ogg at 80% realtime
[12:32] <drspin> daniels: boo
[12:32] <teuf> calc, there's a libfaac iirc to encode to m4a, maybe it comes withr a command line encoder
[12:32] <will> kuckus: change the 'driver' to 'ati' and remove any special settings
[12:32] <adam_> how do you get cdparanoia to give you speed?  -v doesnt do it
[12:32] <Kakarotto> hey
[12:32] <calc> teuf: ok
[12:32] <will> kuckus:or post your xfree86 config in room #flood
[12:32] <will> or www.pastebin
[12:32] <will> .com
[12:32] <calc> adam_: no idea, i just time it :)
[12:32] <adam_> Also, doesnt sound juicer use cdparanoia?
[12:32] <Kakarotto> where the heck is the "/etc/X11/fs/" folder?
[12:33] <liquidboy> ubuntu crashed :O i was just fiddling with the themes, and it started throwing a wobbly, and crashed (windows style :P )
[12:33] <Kakarotto> does someone knows?
[12:33] <will> Kakarotto:dunno, but i do not haveit
[12:33] <calc> adam_: i think it does, but testing directly with cdparanoia will let you see if its the reason it is slow
[12:33] <Kakarotto> hello?
[12:34] <adam_> Well if dma is not enabled my dvdrw will be slow, how do i check and enable dma?
[12:34] <calc> Kakarotto: i don't have that folder
[12:34] <Kakarotto> damn it
[12:34] <nevyn> adam_: htdparm
[12:34] <nevyn> bleh
[12:34] <Kakarotto> i need it to install some truetype fonts
[12:34] <nevyn> adam_: hdparm
[12:34] <Kakarotto> and every tuto talks about that directory but it doesn't exists.. i'm frustrating
[12:35] <Kakarotto> does someone knows how to install truetype fonts?
[12:35] <Kakarotto> adam_: btw, how are you going with your X server?
[12:35] <huttan> anyone know of a good way to assign mousekeys?
[12:36] <will> adam_: use hdparm
[12:36] <adam_> I got it, had to install from web on install, then install build-essential then install nvidia driver
[12:36] <adam_> This is what I hate about linux, everything if not hard is a time consuming pain in the ass
[12:37] <kuckus> will: ok, just replacing flgrx with ati hasn't helped so far - is there an easy way to post the file to #flood or pastebin.com from the conole? Still trying to find my way around here... ;)
[12:37] <nevyn> adam_: so don't use it. nobody's forcing you.
[12:37] <adam_> Microsoft is forcing me
[12:37] <nevyn> if there's something that works better for you use that.
[12:37] <nevyn> how so?
[12:37] <huttan> kuckus, if you have flgrx in your config it shouldnt work
[12:37] <calc> adam_: get a mac
[12:37] <Kakarotto> kuckus  : r u having problems with fglrx? (ati drivers)
[12:37] <huttan> kuckus, it's fglrx
[12:38] <Kakarotto> i have "just" got my fglrx working some hours ago.. if you need help....
[12:38] <adam_> I love linux I just dont understand why dma is not enabled and my graphics dont work out of the box
[12:38] <kuckus> huttan - sorry, typo! that's what I had
[12:38] <jan_> hiho
[12:38] <jeffreyb> Got a n00b question... I just recieved my Ubuntu cds in the mail. I currently use Mepis but favor Gnome Desktop- Thats why I'm trying Ubuntu. What I would like to know is if Warty is stable.
[12:38] <nevyn> adam_: what graphics card?
[12:38] <crimsun> adam_: for what device is DMA not working?
[12:38] <adam_> I got my graphics working
[12:38] <crimsun> jeffreyb: yes
[12:38] <will> kuckus: sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[12:38] <nevyn> if it's very new it's because we don't have support written yet. if it's from nvidia it's because they're assholes
[12:39] <crimsun> jeffreyb: not much point in calling a release 'stable' if it's unstable ;)
[12:39] <drspin> how can I store my hdparm settings?
[12:39] <neighborlee> will, just in case you have any other ideas before I make forum post...I am unable  ( I went to URL you pasted )to run k3bsetup as root user only as regular user..so I run it and it asks for my password but then I get this:: Command 'kcmshell' 'k3bsetup2' not found ? ;_)
[12:39] <jan_> is there any netmd support under ubuntu for my minidisc-player?
[12:39] <jeffreyb> Mepis folks commplain that its not stable - suspect a bias ;P
[12:40] <unperson> Path of least resistence to mount a smb share?  I could browse it with nautilus but there wasn't an obvious option for mounting it.
[12:40] <will> kukus: yeah remove it, what huttan said
[12:40] <sysop> anyone with any experience using SIPPhone software on ubuntu? Links, info?
[12:40] <Dekkard> well.. it took a while but i finally broke gnome in hoary..
[12:40] <Kakarotto> does someone knows how to install truetype fonts?
[12:40] <crimsun> drspin: see /etc/default/hdparm
[12:40] <adam_> hdparm -d /dev/hdc   this should work right?  do i have to restart or goto runlevel 3?
[12:41] <will> neighborlee: you must follow the howto, and use the 'Root Terminal'
[12:41] <crimsun> adam_: that only queries the setting
[12:41] <crimsun> adam_: it does not set it
[12:41] <drspin> adam_: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[12:41] <adam_> it failed, operation not permitted
[12:42] <jeffreyb> Here would be my delima in switching to Ubuntu... I need to use Win4Lin and I understand that Warty isn't Win4Lin ready.
[12:42] <drspin> jeffreyb - so use vmware
[12:42] <will> neighborlee: also remember that you have to have all the correct packages, that k3b 'suggests' (ie k3blibs etc)
[12:42] <crimsun> jeffreyb: then compile the kernel module for win4lin using linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:42] <adam_> Do I have to be in runlevel 3 or something to set it?
[12:43] <drspin> adam_ try it
[12:43] <huttan> kuckus, have you got your fglrx module to work?
[12:43] <adam_> I did, it failed, operation not permitted
[12:43] <teuf> Kamion, I filed bug #5059 with the files you asked for
[12:43] <siulca> could you be so kind to tell me how do I check my kernel version? :/
[12:43] <Creap> which sshd should i use..? i find a few when i apt search for sshd
[12:44] <huttan> siulca, uname -r
[12:44] <mcgood> uname -a to check
[12:44] <unperson> I tried using LinNeighborhood, but it says smbmnt must be installed suid for users to mount a share.
[12:44] <siulca> huttan, thanks :)
[12:44] <Creap> and just apt-get install sshd doesn't find anything
[12:44] <unperson> ...which it's not.
[12:44] <unperson> apparently
[12:44] <neighborlee> will,  I do...ie: it installed fine in synaptic
[12:44] <huttan> Creap, apt-get install openssh-server
[12:45] <Creap> ok
[12:45] <adam_> bwahaha, I cant even play the cd, guess i should get my sound card working before i bother ripping my cds
[12:45] <will> huttan: is fglrx an ati module?
[12:45] <huttan> will, yes
[12:45] <drspin> adam_ are you on a laptop?
[12:45] <kuckus> huttan: no, and I can't seem to get the old ati driver working, either, the server isn't starting at all. a backup of the original file would have been great ;)
[12:45] <Creap> great thanks
[12:45] <huttan> It's the graphics module for ati graphics card
[12:45] <adam_> Asus A8V AMD64 3500+
[12:45] <unperson> Is there a better way to mount a smb share?  Can I reconfigure smbmnt or add a line to /etc/fstab to fix this issue?
[12:45] <adam_> Realtek sound I believe
[12:45] <drspin> are you using onboard IDE controller?
[12:45] <huttan> kuckus, you have a custom kernel or the one that comes with ubuntu?
[12:46] <huttan> unperson, you can mount smbmounts from fstab if that's what you're asking
[12:46] <drspin> adam_ are you using onboard IDE?
[12:46] <adam_> Im using the Promise RAID controller as ide for my 2 sata harddrives
[12:47] <adam_> what does that have to do with my sound?
[12:47] <kuckus> I'm not sure what setting to change in dpkg-reconfigure to get it back to its original state - 'ati' driver alone doesn't do it... It's still the original kernel
[12:47] <drspin> ok and what about for the CD drive?
[12:47] <unperson> huttan, eh, no, I'm asking how can I allow users to mount arbitrary smb shares (in their own directories)?
[12:47] <huttan> kuckus, dpkg -l |grep fglrx
[12:47] <adam_> my dvdrw is ide, I dont think they make sata drives yet
[12:47] <huttan> kuckus, check if you have it installed
[12:48] <kuckus> Are there any more detailed error msgs of xfree anyplace?
[12:48] <calc> plextor has sata dvd-rw now, but not many others do
[12:48] <adam_> ok well mine is ide
[12:48] <huttan> kuckus, /var/log/XFree86.0.log i think
[12:49] <kuckus> huttan: Yes, I have the -driver and -control packages
[12:49] <drspin> adam_ perhaps there is a conflict between onboard IDE and your RAID IDE card... also it's possible that your kernel is using SCSI emulation...
[12:49] <huttan> kuckus, and what does it say when you try to modprobe fglrx ?
[12:49] <ai1> hello
[12:49] <kuckus> huttan: Just followed the steps in ubunu's faq pages
[12:49] <ai1> i,m
[12:49] <ai1> spanish
[12:49] <adam_> my kernel shows my sata as sdx
[12:49] <ai1> my english is very bad
[12:50] <ai1> i installed now ubuntu
[12:50] <kuckus> huttan: nothing at all, that seems to be working fine
[12:50] <adam_> but why would a kernel not be able to handle regular old ide?
[12:50] <ai1> and i dont know
[12:50] <huttan> kuckus, well..you need the module loaded in order for it to work with your config =)
[12:50] <ai1> the password of root
[12:50] <ai1> anybody can help my
[12:50] <huttan> kuckus, try to set it back to fglrx in the config file now and try start it
[12:50] <ai1> ??
[12:50] <huttan> ai1, sudo passwd root
[12:50] <huttan> to set one
[12:50] <ai1> ok
[12:50] <ai1> thanks
[12:51] <drspin> adam_ perhaps it's a compatibility thing with your setup???
[12:51] <Kamion> teuf: thanks
[12:51] <adam_> Its not like the 939 Asus A8V is a esoteric board
[12:51] <kuckus> huttan, I added it to the end of the modules file - shouldn't that make it load automagically on boot?
[12:51] <jeffreyb> crimsun: Can I msg you?
[12:51] <huttan> kuckus, yepp
[12:51] <ai1> ciao
[12:51] <crimsun> jeffreyb: for?
[12:51] <ai1> boys
[12:51] <adam_> What pci sound card can I buy that will have no problems with Ubuntu?
[12:51] <jeffreyb> Got a question on this compile thing...
[12:52] <siulca> I just installed the ATI drivers... I think! Must I reboot for them to work?
[12:52] <huttan> siulca, nope
[12:52] <crimsun> jeffreyb: k, what's up?
[12:52] <adam_> God you guys must get tired of people coming in here asking for help
[12:52] <siulca> huttan, how can I check that they're installed and working then?
[12:52] <crimsun> adam_: on the other hand, you can stay and help others, too :)
[12:52] <Setite> i think they enjoy it
[12:52] <Setite> i even try with my limited knowledge
[12:52] <huttan> siulca, you used a preconfigured deb package to install them or you compiled it yourself?
[12:53] <adam_> That would be the blind leading the blind  ;)
[12:53] <Kamion> teuf: whoa, interesting
[12:53] <Setite> but i may only be half blind whereas you may be completely blind
[12:53] <siulca> huttan, er... I used synaptic!
[12:53] <huttan> siulca, sudo modprobe fglrx
[12:53] <Kamion> teuf: it's hanging on the non-ASCII character in the detected name of your Windows system
[12:53] <adam_> All the more reason not for me to lead someone else
[12:53] <Setite> and if your just being lazy... ill tell you to tell it to father google
[12:53] <Kamion> teuf: at least, that's what appears to be happening ...
[12:53] <adam_> for me not
[12:54] <Kamion> Dec 29 00:14:47 main-menu[2586] : (process:20452):  Microsoft Windows XP [90] dition familiale
[12:54] <adam_> If I was lazy I would use AOL on windows 98
[12:54] <kuckus> huttan, changed it back to fglrx, but no luck. is 'startx' enough to restart the server do I need to do anything else?
[12:54] <siulca> huttan, did that... didn;t get any output!
[12:54] <teuf> Kamion, this would be the label of the ntfs disk ?
[12:54] <huttan> kuckus, it should be
[12:54] <huttan> kuckus, what error you get? no screens found ?
[12:54] <teuf> Kamion, I can try to change that
[12:54] <huttan> siulca, lsmod |grep fglrx
[12:55] <siulca> huttan, u could be telling me to format the hard drive and I would never know :p
[12:55] <will> kuckus: /etc/init.d/gdm stop (to stop) and start to start again
[12:55] <broodster> hey cool
[12:55] <huttan> heh
[12:55] <Cloudchaser> hey i have a question..i sometimes get artifacts on my screen..either a black "X" in the middle of my screen, or a hand/pointer that stay ont he screen for a time
[12:55] <broodster> im updating =D
[12:55] <will> kuckus: remember sudo!
[12:56] <siulca> huttan, got this output: fglrx                 207876  0
[12:56] <Cloudchaser> right now i have the hand pointing ...
[12:56] <Cloudchaser> anyone else get this?
[12:56] <Kamion> teuf: it's what's in the boot.ini file at the root of the Windows partition. Are you sure that changing that won't break Windows?
[12:56] <huttan> siulca, seems to be working fine, now use fglrxconfig to write a new XF86Config
[12:56] <huttan> atleast i think it's fglrxconfig
[12:56] <kuckus> huttan: "addscreen/screeninit failed for driver 0"
[12:56] <huttan> kuckus, you should try that too
[12:56] <kuckus> will: will try, thanks!
[12:56] <teuf> Kamion, ah ok, changing that might break windows, I'd rather not touch it if possible ;)
[12:57] <Kamion> dunno
[12:57] <Kamion> interesting problem though, is the character encoding of that file well-specified?
[12:58] <spikeb> buh
[12:58] <adam_> So is there anything you can do if it wont let you set DMA?
[12:58] <teuf> in my case, it's probably encoded in iso8859-1, but I dunno if its encoding is specified
[12:58] <Kamion> no, it's not ISO-8859-1
[12:58] <Kamion> it appears to be IBM code page 850
[12:58] <siulca> huttan, I did fglrxconfig and it's asking me about mouse configuration?!! Is this right?!
[12:59] <huttan> siulca, yes...it writes a completely new file for your ati card
[12:59] <Kamion> since 0x90 in cp850 is E-acute
[12:59] <siulca> huttan, humm... what has the mouse to do with the gFx card?!
[12:59] <Kamion> I don't think we have the tools in the installer at the moment to transliterate from cp850 to UTF-8
[12:59] <adam_> My onboard sound is Realtek ALC850
[12:59] <adam_> Doesnt work
[12:59] <kuckus> will/huttan: gdm tries starting the xserver thrice, then tells me that it thinks there's something wrong with my configuration. I'll go through the xserver-xfree86 reconfigure again...
[01:00] <huttan> kuckus, fglrxconfig
[01:00] <huttan> siulca, not much, but you still need mouse support in your XF86Config file
[01:01] <siulca> huttan, alright it's a general config file and not ATI specific...
[01:01] <huttan> siulca, booth
[01:02] <JayeAeotiv> hi
[01:02] <Setite> ati... pfft
[01:02] <Setite> they piss me off
[01:03] <JayeAeotiv> I've got wine... now how do I use it?
[01:03] <Setite> is vmware superior to wine?
[01:04] <spikeb> no
[01:04] <spikeb> they're both slow
[01:04] <spikeb> heh
[01:04] <siulca> huttan, it's asking me about my TV and has 10 PAL-x options... I haven;t got a clue what to choose! I'm in the UK btw!
[01:04] <erik> Setite, apples to oranges
[01:04] <Setite> does it work better or more often
[01:04] <Setite> apples to oranges, how so
[01:04] <scoon> what version of libglade2-0 is in hoary ?
[01:04] <trans_err> Setite, wine is not an emulator
[01:04] <Setite> because they both do things a different way?
[01:04] <Setite> oh but wmware is
[01:04] <Setite> ok... i get it
[01:05] <scoon> or even better, is there a link w/ a list of debs in hoary ?
[01:05] <Setite> i wasnt sure if vmware was considered an emulator or not
[01:05] <Setite> what abotu crossover office
[01:05] <trans_err> Setite, wine+
[01:05] <phyberoptix> what can i type to download files thru the network?
[01:05] <arctick> is there a free version of rar available for linux?
[01:05] <trans_err> phyberoptix, ?
[01:06] <phyberoptix> in console how do i download files?
[01:06] <zenwhen> wget internets
[01:06] <crimsun> scoon: 1:2.5.0-0ubuntu1
[01:06] <phyberoptix> thanx
[01:06] <crimsun> scoon: are you running warty or hoary?
[01:06] <trans_err> phyberoptix, you can use curl or wget
[01:06] <spikeb> wget -r the_internet
[01:06] <spikeb> (heh)
[01:06] <scoon> crimsun, i am running warty,
[01:06] <crimsun> spikeb: probably need -np, too :P
[01:06] <spikeb> probably hehe
[01:06] <scoon> crimsun, that is the first version that the file dialog made it into libglade.
[01:06] <scoon> crimsun, how is hoary, does it work well.
[01:07] <spikeb> i would assume not
[01:09] <crimsun> scoon: it works well and bleeds profusely
[01:09] <kuckus> huddan: That did it, brilliant! Thanks lots for the help :))
[01:10] <scoon> crimsun, what do you mean.  I really enjoy how stable warty is.  this is def the best distro i have used in almost 7 years.
[01:10] <scoon> crimsun, are there things that are just really fucked up w/ it ?
[01:10] <crimsun> scoon: there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth if you dist-upgrade to hoary
[01:11] <scoon> crimsun, well i am certain that i can get thru that crap, but I am wondering what are some biggies
[01:11] <shorty114> once i'm done witht he installation of the distro, can i delete apps like apache, mysql, etc. sto compile them myself?
[01:11] <crimsun> scoon: it's in flux, things break and are fixed at some point, but on the whole, it's definitely recommended that you stick with warty _unless_ you wish to contribute to hoary's stabilisation _and_ can stomach things breaking -- sometimes horribly
[01:11] <siulca> I'm setting up a new config file... does anyone know what is xfree86-dga?!
[01:12] <teuf> Kamion, I removed the non ascii characters from BOOT.INI and restarted the installation
[01:12] <zenrox> ya scoon  like me i am using hoary
[01:12] <crimsun> siulca: it's the DGA extension. Generally you want it. Actually, in nearly all situations you want it.
[01:12] <teuf> windows doesn't care, I'll tell you if grub installatoin succeeds
[01:12] <scoon> crimsun, since there doesnt' seem to be anything specific, then i will keep what i got.  maybe i will just roll my own libglade2 deb
[01:12] <siulca> crimsun, thanks :)
[01:13] <Kamion> teuf: ok, cool
[01:13] <siulca> crimsun, do I want to export pseudo color visuals?!
[01:13] <crimsun> scoon: just add hoary's deb-src line and `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get build-dep libglade2-0 && apt-get source -b libglade2-0'
[01:13] <Kamion> teuf: what was the bit about eating your Windows installation that you referred to earlier?
[01:14] <teuf> Kamion, ntfs resizing that failed, but I no longer can reproduce it :-/
[01:14] <scoon> crimsun, maybe.
[01:14] <crimsun> scoon: err, that won't work
[01:14] <scoon> crimsun, i also have a local repos that i install from.
[01:14] <Kamion> teuf: ouch
[01:14] <scoon> crimsun, that will be the easiest for me.
[01:14] <Kamion> teuf: at least it wasn't the parted geometry MADNESS
[01:14] <spikeb> heh
[01:14] <teuf> Kamion, I asked it to resize my ntfs partition to 140 GB, it displayed somethign about a failed assertion after starting the partitioning process, so I told it to cancel
[01:14] <spikeb> no kidding
[01:14] <crimsun> siulca: err what?
[01:14] <teuf> but the partition table was already modified to say the partition was 140 GB
[01:15] <teuf> and windows refused to boot
[01:15] <siulca> crimsun, lol nevermind I just messed everything up anyway :/
[01:15] <adam_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5271&highlight=dma
[01:15] <Kamion> ntfsresize is black magic to me I'm afraid
[01:15] <kuckus> So now those driver problems are settled - any cool linux games y'all can recommend for testing my new 3d support?? ;)
[01:15] <mjr> tuxracer :
[01:15] <mjr> egoboo
[01:15] <teuf> I knew something like that was bound to happen, so it wasn't an issue if I had to reformat everything
[01:15] <teuf> ;)
[01:15] <adam_> Found that for my dma problem and tried moving ide-cd to the top of the list in /etc/modules and restarted but that didnt work
[01:15] <spikeb> lol
[01:16] <adam_> How do you reload /etc/modules without restarting?
[01:16] <Kamion> just modprobe the stuff you added
[01:16] <adam_> I didnt add it, I moved it up the list
[01:16] <crimsun> kuckus: doom3 demo, et, rtcw demo, ...
[01:17] <Kamion> for stuff that weird it's unlikely that anything short of a reboot would make a difference
[01:17] <adam_> lsmod does list "via82cxxx" and that isnt in /etc/modules, should i add it ?
[01:17] <Kamion> no
[01:17] <crimsun> that's the chipset driver. You want that, heh.
[01:17] <Kamion> drivers for particular pieces of hardware are generally loaded by hotplug, which is Right and Proper
[01:17] <Kamion> leave /etc/modules for mad exceptions
[01:18] <adam_> How do you propose i get dma working on my dvdrw then?
[01:18] <Kamion> I don't, because I have no idea how that stuff works :)
[01:19] <Kamion> I was replying specifically to this:
[01:19] <Kamion> 00:17 < adam_> lsmod does list "via82cxxx" and that isnt in /etc/modules, should i add it ?
[01:19] <adam_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5271&highlight=dma
[01:19] <kuckus> crimsun: downloading.... =)
[01:19] <adam_> According to them I need to move something up the list or add something to /etc/modules
[01:19] <siulca> does anyone know what this means?!! "Do you want to synchronize buffer swaps
[01:19] <siulca> with the vertical sync signal (y/n)?"
[01:19] <adam_> ide-cd
[01:19] <adam_> ide-disk
[01:19] <adam_> ide-generic
[01:19] <adam_> sd_mod
[01:19] <adam_> sr_mod
[01:19] <Kamion> adam_: oh, I see, guess you can give it a try *shrug*
[01:19] <adam_> psmouse
[01:20] <adam_> mousedev
[01:20] <adam_> rtc
[01:20] <adam_> sbp2
[01:20] <Kamion> adam_: please never do that again.
[01:20] <adam_> lp
[01:20] <adam_> nvidia
[01:20] <adam_> That is what is in my /etc/modules
[01:20] <siulca> with the vertical sync signal (y/n)?" :|
[01:20] <adam_> Sorry about that
[01:21] <adam_> Kamion if you dont know something why tell someone else what to do or not to do?
[01:22] <daniels> adam_: flooding the channel makes it useless and is generally considered very bad form.
[01:22] <Kamion> adam_: because I thought you believed that everything in lsmod output needed to be in /etc/modules, which is a not uncommon belief but is wrong
[01:22] <adam_> Ah no
[01:22] <daniels> adam_: if via82cxxx is in lsmod's output, then it's already getting loaded, so there's no point putting it in /etc/modules.
[01:22] <adam_> I was just following what they post in that forum
[01:22] <adam_> Yeah thats what I thought but that link says diff
[01:22] <Kamion> daniels: seems there might be a stupid load order problem, so I guess /etc/modules would force that
[01:23] <daniels> hold on, why exactly is ide-generic in there?
[01:23] <rm6990> does anyone know of a good program to make posters with (for linux)?
[01:23] <adam_> so i guess i add via82cxxx to modules in the first, then run "modprobe"(by itself?) to do this?
[01:24] <Kamion> no, you get to reboot
[01:24] <adam_> I dont know
[01:24] <adam_> Someone else said to just use modprobe and you dont have to reboot
[01:24] <Kamion> if it's a module load ordering problem then nothing short of a reboot is likely to be useful.
[01:24] <adam_> Ok
[01:24] <Kamion> adam_: that would be if it weren't loaded already, which according to you it is
[01:24] <teuf> Kamion, I updated bug #5059, it no longer hangs, but grub installation fails :-/
[01:24] <Setite> dont flood more than like 3 lines
[01:24] <Setite> people get butt hurt
[01:24] <Kamion> teuf: you don't need to tell me, that bug is assigned to me :)
[01:25] <Setite> you get assigned bugs
[01:25] <Setite> haha nice
[01:25] <teuf> Kamion, yeah I know, but I dunno how quickly you get bugmail ;)
[01:25] <adam_> So I just add it to /etc/modules and reboot then?
[01:25] <rm6990> i think it is /etc/module
[01:25] <Kamion> teuf: not going to deal with it tonight anyway
[01:25] <adam_> Wouldnt modprobe reload the modules in order according to /etc/modules?  (guessing here)
[01:25] <teuf> Kamion, ok ;)
[01:25] <Kamion> why not try it and see? :)
[01:25] <rm6990> sorry, my bad, it is /etc/modules
[01:27] <rm6990> is kword or scribus any good for making posters in formats windows users can see?
[01:28] <siulca> lovely people I need some assurance about ATI drivers instalation
[01:28] <spikeb> ati drivers suck
[01:28] <spikeb> but the dri ones are worse
[01:29] <siulca> I installed the ATI driver and created a new xfo6config file... what do I do now?
[01:29] <spikeb> daniels, i would hope so.
[01:29] <daniels> ironic
[01:29] <spikeb> siulca, reboot.
[01:29] <adam_> Whoa
[01:30] <adam_> Now ripping at 4.2X  :D
[01:30] <siulca> spikeb, reboot and pray that I didn't feck the whole system up... or just reboot?
[01:30] <spikeb> siulca, praying works too, but you'll be just dandy, so don't worry
[01:30] <siulca> spikeb, lol ok... brb
[01:31] <adam_> adding via82cxxx first on /etc/modules and rebooting fixed my dma problem
[01:31] <Kamion> cool
[01:31] <adam_> Yes  :D
[01:31] <spikeb> adam_, glad to hear it
[01:32] <adam_> Is the latest release warty or hoary?
[01:32] <spikeb> warty
[01:32] <spikeb> hoary isn't released yet.
[01:32] <GoneBoB> hoary is unstable
[01:34] <siulca> identify 31124242
[01:34] <siulca> bah!
[01:34] <Ravensky> OMGWTFBBQ!
[01:34] <Ravensky> err
[01:34] <Ravensky> hi
[01:34] <crimsun> awesome, now I can masq as siulca
[01:35] <siulca> feck!
[01:35] <siulca> I'm such a knob!
[01:35] <spikeb> heh
[01:35] <adam_> Under hardware support in the wiki it only has 9 sound cards, is that it for ubuntu?
[01:35] <merhojt___> why does the terminal window get stuck on writing y when you write yes in it??
[01:35] <siulca> quick how do I change pass?!
[01:35] <spikeb> merhojt___, yes is a program that writes y repeatedly.
[01:35] <crimsun> adam_: ubuntu supports whatever ALSA supports
[01:35] <gustavor> i'm trying to do a netboot install following the netboot install how-to at ubuntu website... i'm using ubuntu as the server but xinet doesn't seems to work...
[01:36] <gustavor> there is no xinet process running even through it says it started
[01:36] <gustavor> there is no xinet process running even though it says it started
[01:36] <merhojt___> ok sounds strange, what do you use it for??
[01:38] <siulca> I installed the ATI drivers and rebooted how do I know if they're running properly?
[01:39] <Kamion> merhojt___: useful for automating programs which expect y/n answers to questions
[01:39] <merhojt___> ok thanks
[01:40] <sri> btw would it be wise to bug the mono packager regarding mono-assemblies being broken?
[01:40] <adam_> Hey guys thanks for all your help
[01:40] <crimsun> sri: not really.
[01:41] <crimsun> sri: there's not much that can be done until the build process is fixed.
[01:41] <JayeAeotiv> Hi
[01:41] <crimsun> sri: 1.0.4 can't build certain things, but 1.0.2 can
[01:41] <JayeAeotiv> Does wine work all that well?
[01:41] <crimsun> sri: it's being debugged
[01:41] <spikeb> JayeAeotiv, for some things
[01:41] <JayeAeotiv> I tried to install starcraft and it didn't work out.
[01:42] <spikeb> JayeAeotiv, wine is crap for games
[01:42] <spikeb> JayeAeotiv, you'd need cedega for that
[01:42] <JayeAeotiv> Is that good?
[01:42] <spikeb> yes, but the stable version costs money :(
[01:42] <JayeAeotiv> I could use wine to get winmx.
[01:42] <JayeAeotiv> lol
[01:42] <spikeb> heh
[01:42] <JayeAeotiv> how much is it?
[01:43] <spikeb> $5/month i believe
[01:43] <JayeAeotiv> You pay for a subscription to upgrade?
[01:43] <JayeAeotiv> or does it just quit working?
[01:43] <spikeb> no idea
[01:43] <spikeb> i havent paid for it
[01:43] <spikeb> heh
[01:43] <JayeAeotiv> Do you use the unstable version?
[01:44] <spikeb> no. i dont use any version of it currently.
[01:44] <spikeb> dont have any games to use with it besides diablo II
[01:44] <JayeAeotiv> oh
[01:44] <phyberoptix> k i know i can type apt-get install gcc   but how can i list alll that i can install?
[01:45] <dreamcatcher> hello, anyone experiencing ssl problems with exim4?
[01:45] <Kamion> phyberoptix: use a proper frontend like aptitude or synaptic
[01:45] <phyberoptix> console was werking so nicely
[01:45] <Kamion> apt-cache search can look for things for you
[01:45] <spikeb> aptitude is console
[01:45] <Kamion> aptitude's console, anyway ...
[01:47] <Scorp> hey guys I'm slightly retarted but can someone tell me where I can get the source code for the login program?
[01:47] <scizzo> login program?
[01:48] <Scorp> yeah
[01:48] <spikeb> Scorp, the graphical one?
[01:48] <valberg> prob gdm he's talking about...
[01:48] <Scorp> no no
[01:48] <spikeb> Scorp, or the console one
[01:48] <Scorp> not gdm
[01:48] <Scorp> the regular plain old login program
[01:48] <bjay> I am trying to share my internet with my wife's computer:  This computer is connected to my cable modem, and I can ssh into my wife's.  But she can't surf the web, what else needs to be done?
[01:48] <spikeb> hmm
[01:48] <spikeb> yeah let me see which package its in
[01:48] <smo> "/bin/login" comes from the package "login" .. "apt-get source login"  should grab it
[01:49] <Scorp> hmm ok won't that just install it again from source?
[01:49] <spikeb> looks like its in the package login
[01:49] <smo> nope .. it'll unpack the source + patches under the current directory
[01:49] <Scorp> cool thanks
[01:50] <Scorp> Failed to fetch a bunch of archives :(
[01:50] <Scorp> that's cause I'm not online lol
[01:50] <spikeb> heh
[01:51] <siulca> I installed the ATI drivers and rebooted how do I know if they're running properly?
[01:51] <spikeb> siulca, type fglrxinfo
[01:51] <spikeb> siulca, if it says something about using ati's drivers, it worked
[01:52] <siulca> spikeb, nope... it says a load of stuff about Mesa! :(
[01:52] <Scorp> holy shit login.c is huge lol
[01:53] <siulca> spikeb, am I in trouble?
[01:54] <Kamion> 1500 lines or so isn't too bad considering what it does ...
[01:54] <huttan> siulca, is the fglrx module loaded ?
[01:54] <Kamion> main() could probably do with being broken down a bit
[01:54] <siulca> huttan, I though so! How can i check?
[01:54] <huttan> siulca, lsmod |grep fglrx
[01:55] <siulca> huttan, fglrx                 207876  0
[01:55] <huttan> siulca, have you told your XF86Config to use fglrx as graphics driver ?
[01:56] <siulca> I created a new XFConfig file but I'm unsure if it's loaded or not... I thought that rebooting would do the trick.
[01:56] <alexander_> anyone have any experience with ubuntu failing to configure the sound card for gnome?  I am running a dell latitude c840 with an 82801CA/CAM AC'97 controller.
[01:56] <crimsun> I bet you need the acpi & irq7 boot param
[01:57] <alexander_> hmm?
[01:57] <huttan> siulca, you never have to reboot pretty much
[01:57] <crimsun> alexander_: boot with acpi_irq_isa=7
[01:57] <siulca> huttan, someone in here told me too :(
[01:58] <macewan> alexander: yes, for a soundblaster pci128
[01:58] <alexander_> ok....where can i set that to do it every time?
[01:58] <huttan> siulca, do this... cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |grep fglrx
[02:00] <JayeAeotiv> Do any of you do any php programming or anything similar?
[02:00] <alexander_> crimsun, where can i add that parameter to the boot settings?
[02:00] <siulca> huttan, I did... got no output!
[02:00] <spikeb> heh, you can almost tell gnome is dominated by corporate types from what it lacks in
[02:01] <crimsun> alexander_: in the grub boot menu, or on the # kopt= line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:02] <alexander_> crimsun, thanks - good chance that line will fix it?
[02:02] <siulca> huttan, I have no idea what I'm doing... I just want to play RCW:ET :'(
[02:02] <alexander_> crimaun, is there a gui for configuring the sound or even a curses program?
[02:02] <crimsun> alexander_: there's another method we will attempt if that method doesn't work.
[02:03] <alexander_> crimsun, i will reboot with that...and see if it works...i will be back soon either way
[02:03] <alexander_> crimsun -- thanks
[02:03] <crimsun> np
[02:05] <dreamcatcher> humpf
[02:05] <occy> heh, I really wish I could get Ubuntu on this laptop.
[02:05] <dreamcatcher> seems like im having some sort of stupid tls problem
[02:05] <occy> I've been hanging out in this channel for a while now, while stuck in FC1
[02:05] <occy> hehe
[02:05] <dreamcatcher> wonder if anyone is seeing the same problem
[02:05] <AndyFitz> got my ubuntu cds !
[02:06] <Ravensky> Off to dinner!
[02:06] <occy> Got my Mom all setup on Ubuntu though, so that's good.
[02:06] <Creap> http://toshi.fine.to/blog1/picture364.html
[02:06] <crimsun> occy: better purge the FC1 ;)
[02:06] <occy> crimsun: hehe
[02:06] <siulca> how do I edit fstab?
[02:06] <dreamcatcher> with vi?
[02:06] <crimsun> siulca: with any editor and sudo
[02:07] <Cloudchaser> or gedit
[02:07] <occy> crimsun: trust me, I want to.  I can't seem to get past that one install issue where it hangs when trying to start the installl.
[02:07] <mcgood> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[02:07] <huttan> siulca, ok
[02:07] <huttan> siulca, now you want to do: pico /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:07] <phyberoptix> G gGG Ggg gGg edit
[02:07] <gen> shut up wigger
[02:07] <phyberoptix> =\
[02:09] <occy> bbs
[02:09] <siulca> huttan, I did pico /etc/X11/XF86Config-4...
[02:10] <huttan> siulca, locate where your graphics card driver is and change it to fglrx
[02:12] <siulca> huttan, I found Driver under Section "Device" is that it? at the moment it's set to "ati"
[02:13] <fajar> ubuntu is great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1, it ships my cds, 7 cds, all shipped to my house without a shipping charge
[02:13] <fajar> hurray!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:15] <siulca> how do u save changes in PICO?!
[02:16] <phyberoptix> ALT + X
[02:16] <phyberoptix> ?
[02:16] <spikeb> yes
[02:16] <spikeb> er, control x
[02:16] <phyberoptix> erm yeah
[02:16] <phyberoptix> my bad
[02:17] <siulca> ahhhh
[02:17] <phyberoptix>  alt x turns off the help menu
[02:17] <siulca> this command line is driving me mad...
[02:17] <siulca> why can't I edit a simple text file in a word processor?!!!!!!
[02:17] <spikeb> um
[02:18] <gen> you can..
[02:18] <spikeb> pico is a word processor/text editor
[02:18] <siulca> no I can;t, it opens always as read onyl so I can;t save
[02:18] <spikeb> oh
[02:18] <spikeb> you didnt use sudo
[02:18] <siulca> I meant a word processor with a gui
[02:18] <gen> siulca, gedit
[02:18] <zenrox> siulca,  use gedit
[02:19] <spikeb> hey that reminds me of a gnome question
[02:19] <huttan> siulca, change it to fglrx
[02:19] <huttan> save it
[02:19] <huttan> and restart X
[02:19] <spikeb> can you somehow set it up so double clicking on a read-only text file will open gedit with root priviledges?
[02:19] <siulca> how do I open with gEdit with writing permission?
[02:19] <spikeb> (with gksu)
[02:19] <spikeb> sudo gedit
[02:21] <siulca> huttan, right, finally I managed to change ATI to fglrx.
[02:21] <siulca> huttan, is that it?
[02:22] <zenrox> siulca,  yep
[02:23] <zenrox> siulca,  now restart x
[02:23] <siulca> sorry to be such an ignorant but... how do I restart X? :(
[02:23] <spikeb> er no
[02:23] <zenrox> alt + crtl + backspace
[02:23] <spikeb> zenrox, you have to remove the old module first
[02:24] <zenrox> spikeb,  that should be all that needed to be done
[02:28] <JayeAeotiv> I downloaded a file that's for linux.
[02:28] <zenrox> siulca,  that work
[02:28] <JayeAeotiv> but I don't know how to install it.
[02:28] <siulca> thanks guys my Ubuntu just died :(
[02:28] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv,  whats the file called
[02:28] <JayeAeotiv> it's a .sh
[02:29] <crimsun> JayeAeotiv: sh foo.sh
[02:29] <siulca> I'm now using winXp
[02:29] <JayeAeotiv> NuSphere-phpd-3.3.3rvl-linux.sh
[02:29] <JDahl> siulca, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[02:29] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv, do sudo ./NuSpere-phpd-3.3.3rvl-linux.sh
[02:29] <siulca> ctrl + alt + backspace turned the screen black with no command prompt... that's all I get now when I reboot
[02:30] <JDahl> you (start|stop|restart) always anything in debian/ubuntu that way
[02:30] <JayeAeotiv> ok ty
[02:30] <JDahl> s/always/almost/
[02:30] <JayeAeotiv> I got a linux book I"m going ot read ot learn the terminal
[02:31] <siulca> JDahl, can't do it as I'm on XP now :(
[02:31] <zenrox> JayeAeotiv,  whats the book called
[02:31] <JDahl> siulca, I figured that much...
[02:32] <siulca> great I can smell a fresh installation coming... what a turn off :(
[02:32] <JDahl> siulca, what's wrong?
[02:32] <Setite> linux in a nutshell is probably the newest ebook i got here
[02:32] <JDahl> siulca, a fresh install is rarely needed
[02:32] <siulca> I just get a black screen on boot :(
[02:33] <bardamu> have a knoppix CD? use it to edit the file; that way you won't have to reinstall
[02:33] <JDahl> siulca, is it just X? or kernel panic?
[02:33] <siulca> how do I know if the screen is all black?!
[02:33] <bardamu> black screen prior to Grub, or after?
[02:33] <siulca> after boot...
[02:33] <zenrox> then its just x
[02:33] <siulca> after grub and after loading all the modules
[02:34] <JDahl> siulca, try ctrl-alt-f1 to get a console
[02:34] <siulca> I tryed, can;t see anything...
[02:34] <Ran> hello, I have some questions...
[02:35] <JDahl> siulca, and maybe boot to runlvl 1 to fix whatever is wrong (you just pass grub "1" as an extra parameter)
[02:35] <spikeb> i'll be back later when i'm done being offended by siulca.
[02:35] <siulca> this was after I created a new XF86config file... I'm guessing I entered some wrong monitor values
[02:35] <siulca> spikeb, offended by me?!!! :|
[02:36] <bardamu> grub should still have a failsafe mode? does that work?
[02:36] <JDahl> siulca, if you're going to reinstall linux because of that, you have to much spare time ;)
[02:36] <Ran> my Synaptic doesnt update the packages. I have the 4.1 installed from the mailed CDs.
[02:36] <JDahl> bardamu, in general booting to runlvl 1 should be better
[02:36] <siulca> JDahl: lol nope, I just don;t have a clue about Linux
[02:36] <bardamu> ran: did you update sources.list?
[02:37] <Ran> bardamu: let me see
[02:37] <JDahl> siulca boot to runlvl 1, or just find a way to get console mode... then use "irc" the curses based irc client to get help from here
[02:37] <siulca> JDahl: every little thing seems to be so complex to do! All I wanted was to install the ATI drivers.... *whaaaa* :'(
[02:38] <siulca> can I use irc from the console?!
[02:38] <JDahl> siulca, those things are normally easy to fix
[02:38] <JDahl> siulca, yes - "irc"
[02:38] <Ran> bardamu: I pressed RELOAD PACKAGE LIST.
[02:39] <bardamu> ran: go here: http://ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[02:39] <bardamu> "out of the box," apt-get won't work
[02:39] <siulca> JDahl: easy for Linux hardcore users! remember that I've been nummed by Micro$shite stuff for almost a decade now... it's hard to break the habit!
[02:40] <huttan> siulca, it works for you?
[02:40] <JDahl> siulca, you guys have it too easy! I remember the first time I got X running on kernel 0.9... that was an accomplishment I felt proud over :D
[02:40] <thegreatone2176> i had posted here about a problem im having and this is what i was refered to do but i dont fully understand
[02:40] <thegreatone2176> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=271327
[02:40] <Ran> bardamu: I am oppening (my net is slow). But I already added universe repositorie to the list, uncomenting from a config file
[02:41] <bardamu> i'm stuck on a 33.6 connection; i feel your pain
[02:41] <siulca> right, I'm going to reboot and try to use irc from the console... if you guys don;t hear from me in the next couple of minutes, I've probably given up on Linux.
[02:41] <siulca> brb... hopefully!
[02:42] <thegreatone2176> can anyone help me withe the problem i posted about
[02:42] <Benbis> I'm having problems trying to install. I can't mount CD
[02:43] <Benbis> Thought it might be because I was using a DVD writer drive, so switched to a plain CD, it still says unable to mount
[02:44] <snerfu> Anyone else run into a problem where depmod segfaults while trying to update module packages? should I reinstall binutils?
[02:44] <Benbis> Anyone have suggestions on what I should do/check^
[02:44] <thegreatone2176> ok is anyone here to help
[02:45] <JDahl> Benbis, what error do you get?
[02:45] <Benbis> Unable to mount CD-ROM
[02:46] <JDahl> benbis, try mounting it from a terminal and tell us the error
[02:47] <thegreatone2176> jdahl ... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=271327
[02:47] <thegreatone2176> can you explain more
[02:47] <thegreatone2176> on my problem
[02:48] <Benbis> OK. Thanks JDahl. Back shortly.
[02:49] <snerfu> thegreatone2176, one sec
[02:49] <thegreatone2176> k thank you
[02:50] <JDahl> thegreatone2176, I cant help you with that, sorry... other than maybe suggesting removing and purging whatever you installed - then reinstall using synaptic... then I would be surprised if it doesnt work out of the box (in Warty)
[02:51] <thegreatone2176> well i installed with the disc
[02:51] <thegreatone2176> and it gave me that error
[02:51] <snerfu> sudo perl -MCPAN -e "install XML::Parser"
[02:51] <thegreatone2176> so then is tarted replacing it
[02:51] <thegreatone2176> i did that
[02:51] <thegreatone2176> thats when i get the erro
[02:51] <thegreatone2176> it wont install
[02:51] <snerfu> hmm mine worked
[02:51] <odyssey> Hi was just wondering what the ubuntu live cd is like?
[02:51] <thegreatone2176> theres is errors in xml-parser-3.24
[02:51] <Setite> i dont think ill ever get linux
[02:52] <Setite> i think its beyond me
[02:53] <siulca> anyone there :|
[02:53] <Setite> nope
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> Expat.xs:2194: error: `cbv' undeclared (first use in this function)
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> Expat.xs:2194: error: parse error before ')' token
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> Expat.xs:2197: error: `parser' undeclared (first use in this function)
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> make[1] : *** [Expat.o]  Error 1
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/tgo21/.cpan/build/XML-Parser-2.34/Expat'
[02:53] <siulca> dha, help :p
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> make: *** [subdirs]  Error 2
[02:53] <JDahl> yeah.. I see you're logged in as root, so runlvl 1 must've worked
[02:53] <thegreatone2176>   /usr/bin/make  -- NOT OK
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> Running make test
[02:53] <thegreatone2176>   Can't test without successful make
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> Running make install
[02:53] <thegreatone2176>   make had returned bad status, install seems impossible
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> you see
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> i get all those errros and more
[02:53] <thegreatone2176> when i do what you just did
[02:53] <siulca> haven't tryed runlvl 1 yet
[02:54] <siulca> how can I get out of IRC and come back without disconnecting?
[02:54] <snerfu> thegreatone2176, what version does "gcc -v" give you?
[02:54] <JDahl> siulca, alt-F2 gives you a new console... switch back to this one with alt-F1
[02:55] <heero> :)
[02:55] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: why not just install the libxml-parser-perl package?
[02:55] <siulca> jdhal, will try that
[02:55] <Kamion> no need to mess about with building it yourself
[02:55] <thegreatone2176> ok ill do that kamion
[02:55] <thegreatone2176> thanks
[02:55] <Kamion> it's in the main Ubuntu distribution
[02:55] <thegreatone2176> hmm really
[02:55] <thegreatone2176> ill look on the disc
[02:55] <thegreatone2176> you know what folder?
[02:55] <Kamion> it's not on the CD
[02:56] <siulca> jdhal, er... alt+f2 does nothing... might it be because I'm in recovery mode?
[02:56] <carajean> hey whats up room
[02:56] <JDahl> siulca, you're on console mode, right?
[02:56] <Kamion> you can get it from the network with your package manager as usual
[02:56] <siulca> yeah JD
[02:56] <carajean> has anyone had a dealing with mandrake 10.1
[02:56] <thegreatone2176> package manager?
[02:56] <thegreatone2176> i just ubuntu last night
[02:57] <Kamion> synaptic, assuming that you have network repositories turned on
[02:57] <thegreatone2176> i installe synaptic
[02:57] <thegreatone2176> earlier
[02:57] <Kamion> if not, Preferences -> Repositories and check the ones for archive.ubuntu.com warty main
[02:57] <Kamion> then reload
[02:57] <JDahl> siulca, unless you screwed your keymaps, alt-F2 should definitely give you new console
[02:58] <thegreatone2176> i dont see repositories under desktop preferences
[02:58] <Kamion> no, the Preferences menu in synaptic
[02:58] <thegreatone2176> o sorry
[02:59] <Kamion> or is it Tools?
[02:59] <JDahl> siulca, is your keyboard layout correct? otherwise, close irc and run base-config to reconfigure your keyboard
[02:59] <thegreatone2176> how do i get synaptic to run
[02:59] <snerfu> ctrl+alt+f2
[02:59] <thegreatone2176> i havent been able to figure that out
[02:59] <siulca> I think it's right...
[02:59] <JDahl> siulca, as a last effort, just close irc, start "X", read the error message in /var/log/X.org.xxx and log back into irc
[03:00] <siulca> :( this is painful
[03:01] <occy> crimsun you here still ?
[03:01] <thegreatone2176> kamion how you get it to run
[03:01] <occy> md5sum's checked out ok for the iso I dl'ed
[03:02] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: Computer -> System Configuration -> Synaptic Package Manager IIRC
[03:02] <Kamion> no need to repeat yourself :)
[03:02] <thegreatone2176> ?
[03:02] <thegreatone2176> o soory
[03:02] <Kamion> right, Settings -> Repositories, sorry
[03:03] <occy> getting:  hdc: status error: error=0x00  hdc drive not ready for command
[03:03] <siulca> DH what was the command you wanted my to try? something like nvlvl 1
[03:03] <Ran> what version of firefox is the official un Ubuntu? Synaptic says  0.99 backported to 0.93
[03:04] <JDahl> siulca, if you're in linux now and have a console there's no need to start in runlvl 1.. tried CTRL-ALT-F2 to get a new console?
[03:04] <Kamion> reverted, not backported
[03:04] <Ran> yes
[03:04] <Kamion> Ran: 0.9.3 (ignoring the strange version number) in warty, 1.0 in hoary
[03:04] <occy> Now I'm getting:  WARNING **: bad di- Packages file: grep: Not a Directory
[03:05] <Ran> reverted, anyway, what does is mean?
[03:05] <occy> and that repeats over and over indefinately
[03:05] <siulca> I'm in linux in recovery mode, so no gui. alt+f2 doesn;t work.
[03:05] <JDahl> crtl-alt-f2 maybe
[03:05] <occy> I've used this same exact CD to install on another laptop.
[03:05] <crimsun> occy: yep, still here (sorry, editing a wiki page)
[03:05] <Kamion> it means we tried out the 1.0 release candidate and it had a number of regressions, so we reverted to 0.9.3.
[03:05] <occy> crimsun np bud.
[03:05] <siulca> i'm using irc from irssi.org
[03:05] <occy> this isn't an "oddball" laptop either.  Dell Inspiron 7500
[03:05] <thegreatone2176> brb gona reboot i set those boxes kamion hopefully it updates
[03:05] <Kamion> version numbers always have to increase in order for upgrades to work, which is why the version number looks the way it does
[03:06] <Ran> Kamion: regressions means bugs?
[03:06] <Kamion> yes
[03:06] <Kamion> well, specifically new bugs
[03:06] <occy> crimsun really want to get Ubuntu on it. :(
[03:06] <Crane|laptop> Hello    hello
[03:06] <Ran> Kamion: So it is just 0.9.3, not a mix.
[03:06] <JDahl> siulca, that's fine... all you need to do is to try and start "X" and read the error logs if it doesnt work... I bet you can just remove the ATI drivers using synaptic and everything will work again
[03:06] <occy> FC1 installs fine on it.
[03:06] <Kamion> Ran: correct
[03:07] <siulca> how do I start X?
[03:07] <JDahl> "X"
[03:07] <Ran> startx
[03:07] <Poprocks> hey guys I have a question -- I'd like to update to the unstable hoary -- is there a universe repo for hoary, and if so, does it have as much extra software as warty?
[03:07] <Crane|laptop> startx
[03:07] <JDahl> no, X
[03:07] <siulca> both of the above do nothing
[03:07] <liquidboy> hey, can someone help me with my video card troubles http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9443 (i posted a thread about it)
[03:07] <JDahl> close it with ctrl-alt-backspace
[03:07] <Crane|laptop> try init 5
[03:07] <Kamion> Poprocks: yes to both
[03:07] <Poprocks> Kamion, sick
[03:07] <Poprocks> thanks
[03:07] <siulca> how can I c lose X if it's not running at all?!
[03:08] <occy> siulca ctrl+alt+backspace
[03:08] <JDahl> siulca, I was telling you how to close in case it comes up
[03:08] <Crane|laptop> siulcs : if it's not running?
[03:08] <JDahl> siulca, what happens when you type X?
[03:08] <Poprocks> the wiki is awesome btw, thanks to all those who entered articles making this transition more pleasant for me :)))
[03:09] <siulca> when I type X nothing happens
[03:09] <occy> siulca type:  lspci  and see what type of video card you have.
[03:09] <JDahl> siulca, but surely you get some kind of message?
[03:09] <Crane|laptop> I'm coning in late here
[03:09] <siulca> occy I know I have an ATI 9800XT
[03:09] <Crane|laptop> did you install new drivers?
[03:10] <siulca> JD I'm sorry but I get no message... I type "X" and enter adn nothing happens...
[03:10] <siulca> could it be because I booted in recovery mode?
[03:10] <occy> siulca hmmm, You probably need to configure X
[03:10] <occy> I can't remember the commands to setup X on ubuntu
[03:11] <Poprocks> yeah, warty didn't set up X properly for me, I just made some minor changes in XF86Config-4
[03:11] <JDahl> siulca, no... that should still be fine.. dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-server or xorg-server
[03:11] <Poprocks> but you may want to upgrade to xorg, it's much more up-to-date
[03:11] <siulca> occy, it's a  long story but I'm here cause I messed up Ubuntu trying to install my card drivers
[03:11] <thegreatone2176> kamadien where would the new file be
[03:11] <occy> siulca I hear ya.  It's easy to do.
[03:12] <Poprocks> I bought a radeon 9250, the latest which is supported by dri :))
[03:12] <JDahl> siulca, do you know how to remove the ATI drivers and reinstall xfree drivers using synaptic? I think that would solve your problems
[03:12] <siulca> lol @ easy to do
[03:12] <Poprocks> siulca, did you try to install the drivers from ati's site?
[03:12] <siulca> JD I do know... but how can i do that if I can;t even load X?!!
[03:12] <occy> and going and going...
[03:12] <JDahl> synaptic is curses based
[03:13] <Poprocks> or you can just use apt-get
[03:13] <siulca> Poprocks, nop. I followed the howTo in the ubuntu site.
[03:13] <occy> is there an hoary ISO?
[03:13] <siulca> JDahl, curses based?!
[03:14] <JDahl> siulca, sorry... I meant aptitude... all this X talk made me confused
[03:14] <Ran> what is safer? Default upgrade or Smart upgrade?
[03:15] <JayeAeotiv> I've got an application that is a .tar.gz
[03:15] <JayeAeotiv> inside it are two files...
[03:15] <siulca> lol I think I just confused everybody... at the moment all I want is to be able to run X
[03:15] <JayeAeotiv> one is called bzip2 and ZendStudio-3_5_2.bin
[03:15] <JayeAeotiv> Which sets it up?  I recon the bin. right
[03:16] <thegreatone2176> Kamion
[03:16] <thegreatone2176> you left?
[03:16] <Crane|laptop> siulca: can you edit the x config file back to waht it was?
[03:16] <JDahl> siulca, what you need to do is simple... remove ATI drivers using apt-get or aptitude (which doesnt require X) and reinstall/configure xfree86-server
[03:16] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: no?
[03:16] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: if you spell my name radically wrong then it doesn't autohighlight; I didn't realise you were talking to me
[03:17] <siulca> Crane, I guess I can... will try that first.
[03:17] <thegreatone2176> o well you see i checked the boxes you said and restarted but then when i rewent it the synaptic manager and it said it could not connect ot any of em
[03:17] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: do you have working network access?
[03:17] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: and what do those lines look like?
[03:18] <occy> pushing toward 60,000 now I see.  :~(
[03:18] <thegreatone2176> it says all wheres its trying to go and no file or directory exists by that name
[03:18] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: and what do those lines look like?
[03:18] <Kamion> the ones by the boxes you checked
[03:19] <thegreatone2176> http://archive.ubuntu.com ... thats the link to em
[03:19] <thegreatone2176> but there is more
[03:19] <thegreatone2176> im in package managerr
[03:19] <thegreatone2176> and resporotories
[03:20] <Kamion> I need to see all of the line, not just the start of it
[03:21] <occy> Need to get my wife moved over to Ubuntu as well.
[03:21] <occy> She's been using RH8 for eons.
[03:21] <thegreatone2176> some are deb some are deb-src
[03:21] <occy> heh
[03:21] <thegreatone2176> and they are all checked
[03:21] <Kamion> I give up.
[03:21] <thegreatone2176> did i do something wrong?
[03:21] <liquidboy> so... can anyone help me?
[03:21] <Kamion> sorry, it's after 2am here, obviously not able to make myself clear :(
[03:21] <occy> siulca get it working?
[03:22] <thegreatone2176> Kamion i did something wrong?
[03:22] <siulca> could someone gimme the path to XF86config-4 please
[03:22] <occy> liquidboy let me read up and see if you asked a quetion.
[03:22] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: I'd suggest seeing if you can load http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ in a web browser
[03:22] <siulca> I can;t seem to find it anywhere
[03:22] <JDahl> siulca, /etc/X11/XF86config-4
[03:22] <thegreatone2176> yes i can
[03:22] <thegreatone2176> its an index
[03:22] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: when I see "I need to see all of the line", I know for a fact that there's more to it than just deb or deb-src plus http://archive.ubuntu.com; more detail is always better
[03:22] <siulca> thanks jdhal... brb
[03:22] <liquidboy> occy, the question is here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9443
[03:23] <occy> liquidboy I can read :)
[03:23] <liquidboy> :Psrry
[03:23] <occy> hmmm I used to have some problems with that too
[03:23] <thegreatone2176> kamion i can see that site in my broswer
[03:23] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: mostly you're paraphrasing error messages, which is really hard to deal with. It's much better to copy and paste error messages absolutely word-for-word (although don't paste more than a couple of lines at a time into IRC)
[03:23] <Kamion> 02:18 < thegreatone2176> it says all wheres its trying to go and no file or directory exists by that name
[03:24] <thegreatone2176> ok i will
[03:24] <thegreatone2176> one sec
[03:24] <Kamion> that's the beginning of something I could work with, but you're putting the error message into your own words rather than just quoting it, which makes life hard for us
[03:24] <Kamion> we're used to the exact text
[03:24] <siulca> :(
[03:24] <kebac> "don't irc as root"
[03:24] <thegreatone2176> Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:24] <occy> liquidboy to change the color depth, you need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (I think it's -4)  and change from 16 to 24bpp
[03:24] <liquidboy> ok
[03:24] <occy> siulca yeah, don't irc as root, that's a security hazzard,  Log off and adduser
[03:25] <liquidboy> but shouldnt there be a way to do it in gnome?
[03:25] <thegreatone2176> kamion i get that when i start the synaptic package manager
[03:25] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: press the Reload button?
[03:25] <JDahl> he's excused... he's in recovery mode using irc in console
[03:25] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: thanks, that was much better :)
[03:25] <Ran> I am about to make an update with synaptic, just want to know wich option is safer: Default upgrade or Smart upgrade
[03:25] <siulca> any idea why sudo pico /etc/X11/XF86config-1 brings up a balnk file?
[03:25] <occy> liquidboy heh, there should, but alas, triple yer money back if not 100% satisfied.
[03:25] <thegreatone2176> kamion thank you very m uch
[03:25] <thegreatone2176> just got 24 new files
[03:26] <occy> liquidboy that was a joke btw.
[03:26] <Crane|laptop> yes it is XF86Config-4
[03:26] <siulca> sorry I meant XF86config-4
[03:26] <thegreatone2176> now whats the name of the program i should try you said? because you said that it will do it for me
[03:26] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: you should be able to find the libxml-parser-perl package in synaptic now, and install that
[03:26] <Crane|laptop> Capital C
[03:26] <thegreatone2176> ok thank you
[03:26] <siulca> thanks for the tip Occy, but I got other worries at the moment :(
[03:26] <Crane|laptop> XF86Config
[03:26] <liquidboy> occy, yeah it took me a while, but i got it :P
[03:26] <thegreatone2176> if you need any programming help pm me im really good with that just not linux
[03:26] <occy> liquidboy cool
[03:26] <xevil> siulca yeah... the file should be /etc/X11/XFree86config-4
[03:26] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: that's a packaged-up version of XML::Parser from CPAN
[03:27] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: thanks :)
[03:27] <JDahl> siulca, you need to reinstall/configure X... do you know how without GUI?
[03:27] <liquidboy> occy, im having trouble finding the bit where it has the colour depth...
[03:27] <siulca> xevil, isn;t that what I typed?
[03:27] <Crane|laptop> siulca did you see what was said aboout irc  as root
[03:27] <occy> liquidboy sec bud, let me check
[03:27] <xevil> nope
[03:27] <liquidboy> thanks
[03:27] <siulca> JDahl, I donp't know anything anymore :'(
[03:27] <occy> look for Depth
[03:27] <occy> err liquidboy look for Depth
[03:28] <siulca> Crane, I did but I want to sort my ubuntu first.
[03:28] <xevil> actually XF86Config-4
[03:28] <liquidboy> um, i found a bunch of them
[03:28] <liquidboy> some of them say 16, 8, 4 , 24 etc
[03:28] <Crane|laptop> siulca: cool just checking
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:28] <occy> liquidboy right, look for Default Depth
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> occy, yes they should
[03:28] <occy> hmmm
[03:28] <occy> liquidboy yeah.... look for Default Depth
[03:28] <siulca> why is it that when you try to solve one problem in linux a hundred more come up... and for every step forward you walk 10 backwards!!!
[03:29] <liquidboy> ah eyp i think ive found it
[03:29] <Crane|laptop> Siulca: are you on ubuntu right now without X
[03:29] <kebac> siulca: try netbsd
[03:29] <siulca> Crane, yes that's right
[03:29] <occy> siulca Windows is even worse :)
[03:29] <liquidboy> do i need to completely restart once ive edited this ? or jsut log out of gnome and log back in again?
[03:29] <nomasteryoda> siulca, once you get past that 11th step, you are way beyond windows..
[03:29] <Crane|laptop> you shouldn't have to logg out to try things
[03:29] <occy> I've never had good experiences with doing things under any Operating System.
[03:29] <siulca> occy, I know that's why I haven;t given up yet
[03:29] <Crane|laptop> just hit f2 for a new window
[03:29] <occy> all Operating systems suck.  Linux just sucks less.
[03:29] <siulca> thanks yoda :)
[03:30] <Crane|laptop> occy lol
[03:30] <JDahl> siulca, reconfigure X isnt hard (depending on how much the ATI drivers ruined). do apt-get remove <ati-drivers>, then apt-get install xfree86-server. That should help
[03:30] <occy> nomasteryoda oh, hey there.
[03:30] <meltbanana314> siluca: get a Mac. i'm getting a powerbook with OS X next month
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> occy, hey man
[03:30] <occy> liquidboy yah... you need to ctrl+alt+backspace or something.
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> meltbanana314, wow
[03:30] <occy> liquidboy completel get out of x
[03:30] <occy> liquidboy save your changes
[03:30] <meltbanana314> and i'm going to throw my linux box away
[03:30] <occy> liquidboy and anything you are working on
[03:30] <occy> liquidboy before doing that. :)
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> meltbanana314, ebay it
[03:30] <kebac> meltbanana314: throw it to my place
[03:30] <liquidboy> ok trying it now...
[03:30] <JDahl> siulca, otoh, a reinstall might be faster
[03:30] <occy> k
[03:30] <occy> good luck
[03:30] <Crane|laptop> yea I'll take it
[03:31] <nomasteryoda> i have stacks of them, but give me more
[03:31] <occy> nomasteryoda grabbing todays Hoary
[03:31] <nomasteryoda> i get them from the dumpster
[03:31] <liquidboy> brb, ill tell you if it works
[03:31] <nomasteryoda> nice
[03:31] <meltbanana314> PII 400MHz, 256MB RAM - sure you want that?
[03:31] <nomasteryoda> i need to do that too
[03:31] <siulca> JDahl, I don;t think my problem is that extreme that I need to reinstall the drivers... I think I just need to remove the reverence to them in the XF86config file. If only I could edit it!
[03:31] <kebac> meltbanana314: just give me that
[03:31] <occy> nomasteryoda still get no love when trying to install ubuntu on my DELL Inspriron 7400
[03:31] <occy> nomasteryoda :(
[03:31] <Crane|laptop> nice server material
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> Dell really sucks
[03:32] <kebac> yeah i guess you could run irssi with it
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> laptop wise at least
[03:32] <occy> nomasteryoda I've enjoyed it under Fedora
[03:32] <occy> nomasteryoda mostly
[03:32] <JDahl> siulca, you could try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> i still have not powermanagement for this nice speed daemon
[03:32] <meltbanana314> thats what i was planning to do with it - but i have to dick around too much with linux to get anything to work
[03:32] <occy> dag just being one man, can't package as much cool stuff as debia^WUbuntu can.
[03:32] <Crane|laptop> nomasteryoda: thats a laptop
[03:33] <liquidboy> hmm, i dont know if it worked or not, i still get hte 'lines' in the default ubuntu background
[03:33] <occy> liquidboy try this....
[03:33] <siulca> brb
[03:33] <occy> liquidboy hmmm, I would really do some searching on the net about your card.  What model is it again?
[03:33] <nomasteryoda> occy, i'm trying an install to removable media while inside suse
[03:33] <occy> liquidboy I'd google for the model of the card + linux
[03:33] <liquidboy> s3 pro savage ddr
[03:34] <occy> liquidboy you can google as good as I can... but let me check. :)
[03:34] <macewan> damn python is nice
[03:34] <nomasteryoda> liquidboy, that would be an Nvidia chipset
[03:34] <macewan> pygtk that is
[03:34] <Crane|laptop> liquidboy just go to http://www.google.com/linux and search
[03:35] <occy> Crane|laptop I always forget about that
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> i just set it as my home page =)
[03:36] <Crane|laptop> That was my homepage when I first started linux
[03:36] <occy> w00p, hoary finished
[03:36] <nomasteryoda> sweet
[03:36] <liquidboy> k
[03:36] <nomasteryoda> occy, bt or dl
[03:37] <liquidboy> nomasteryoda: is it beinga Nvidia chipset a problem?
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> nope
[03:37] <tiago> hi all, anybody knows a good rss reader?
[03:37] <Telep> Liferea
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> that is good
[03:37] <occy> nomasteryoda what's that?
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> oh, which download type for hoary
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> bittorrent or standard download
[03:38] <occy> liquidboy man, I'll be honest, video cards under Linux can be a PITA.
[03:38] <liquidboy> hehe
[03:38] <occy> I've been using linux since 96'
[03:38] <liquidboy> i hear ya
[03:38] <occy> and That's the scariest part of getting a distro working.
[03:38] <occy> without X, you are stuck in console, and who (besides some super geek) wants to do that? :)
[03:38] <Setite> ati being at the top of the PITA heap
[03:38] <liquidboy> the thing is i'v ehad the same problem in beos, and one of the guyes there thought there was something wrong with my card...
[03:39] <thegreatone2176> hmmm kamion i dont see it in the new packages
[03:39] <thegreatone2176> and i got 24 new ones
[03:39] <thegreatone2176> but i found it on google
[03:39] <occy> liquidboy sounds as if that card has some driver issues... ATI that is.
[03:39] <thegreatone2176> but cant seem to find out how to installit
[03:39] <nomasteryoda> is it a desktop? i came in late on the discussion
[03:39] <occy> liquidboy how hard(just a suggestion) would it be to get another video card?
[03:39] <occy> Course, these days, I wouldn't even know what to suggest.
[03:39] <liquidboy> hmm, not too hard, but ti's not *that* annoying
[03:39] <thegreatone2176> kamion
[03:40] <occy> I wouldn't recommend any nvidia cards... (though that's what I have)
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> liquidboy, get an nvidia if you want nice 3d support
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> i love them
[03:40] <occy> *shiver*
[03:40] <liquidboy> the other thing i wanted to know  is how do i make it that when i shif the windows, the contents of the window doesnt show.. can this be done?
[03:40] <occy> I can't stand the hoops you have to jump through, and why can't the damned software be open source?  You BOUGHT the hardware.
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> always work best for 3d ... at least once you get past the driver instlall .. and ubuntu kinda makes that easier
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> true
[03:40] <Poprocks> man this no root account is getting annoying
[03:41] <occy> Poprocks sudo su -
[03:41] <occy> Poprocks how hard is that?
[03:41] <occy> heh
[03:41] <Poprocks> well
[03:41] <crimsun> occy: thankfully it's transparent under Ubuntu
[03:41] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: try 'apt-cache show libxml-parser-perl' from a terminal, see if it shows up
[03:41] <crimsun> Poprocks: sudo -s
[03:41] <Deft> liquidboy, gconf key: apps, metacity, general, reduced resources
[03:41] <Poprocks> I would like to use the CUPS webmin tool
[03:41] <nomasteryoda> liquidboy, on the current one?
[03:41] <occy> crimsun yah, very nice under Ubuntu.
[03:41] <thegreatone2176> k
[03:41] <Poprocks> root from a terminal is fine
[03:41] <occy> crimsun burning Hoary atm.
[03:41] <liquidboy> yeah
[03:41] <macewan> Telep: try liferea-mozilla with it
[03:41] <crimsun> occy: g'luck
[03:41] <Poprocks> brb
[03:42] <occy> crimsun heh
[03:42] <occy> tx
[03:42] <crimsun> occy: I'm out for 1.5 hours, but I'll be back. Feel free to ping me then if you're still awake.
[03:42] <occy> crimsun later bud. ;)
[03:42] <thegreatone2176> tgo21@tgo:~ $ apt-cache show libxml-parser-perl
[03:42] <thegreatone2176> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_unbuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:42] <thegreatone2176> W: Unable to locate package libxml-parser-perl
[03:42] <thegreatone2176> E: No packages found
[03:42] <thegreatone2176> thats waht it said kamion
[03:43] <occy> liquidboy still no love?
[03:43] <occy> liquidboy you googling?
[03:43] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: notice "unbuntu" rather than "ubuntu" in what you pasted there ...
[03:43] <liquidboy> occy: yep
[03:43] <occy> liquidboy I didn't see any answers jump out at me.
[03:43] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: check that you've got it right in all the repository lines in synaptic
[03:43] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: then reload again
[03:43] <liquidboy> ppl with problems , but none like mine...
[03:43] <thegreatone2176> k
[03:43] <occy> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards
[03:43] <occy> liquidboy look at that
[03:43] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: also make *sure* that you have http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main, not just universe
[03:44] <liquidboy> looking...
[03:44] <occy> liquidboy bottom of that page.
[03:45] <liquidboy> yep
[03:45] <occy> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2111
[03:45] <liquidboy> ive clicked al lthe links...
[03:45] <occy> there is at least some comfort knowing you aren't alone. :)
[03:45] <liquidboy> i'm a bit lost
[03:45] <occy> see the bug I posted?
[03:46] <occy> sounds like some people are having issues with refresh rates as youare
[03:46] <liquidboy> you mean "Bugzilla Bug 2111
[03:46] <liquidboy> 	  	ProSavage-DDR not correctly configured in all systems"
[03:46] <occy> yeah
[03:46] <occy> hoary is done burning!
[03:46] <phyberoptix> ?
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> occy, url?
[03:46] <occy> nomasteryoda huh?
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> hoary url
[03:47] <occy> oh
[03:47] <gpled> how do you get a bad print job out of que?
[03:47] <occy> wiki!
[03:47] <liquidboy> occy: my "lag" problem = problem with a refresh rate?
[03:47] <occy> :)
[03:47] <nomasteryoda> si
[03:47] <thegreatone2176> kamion make them all main?
[03:47] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: just make sure main is there *as well*
[03:47] <occy> here we go
[03:47] <Kamion> you can't just enable universe on its own
[03:47] <liquidboy> is there a fix for it anywhere on that page?
[03:48] <occy> w00p
[03:48] <occy> hoary is getting further than warty
[03:48] <occy> heh
[03:48] <Kamion> that's a bit like eating the rind of the orange and throwing away the juicy bits in the centre. :)
[03:48] <occy> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/
[03:48] <thegreatone2176> its there!!
[03:48] <thegreatone2176> tahnks
[03:48] <Kamion> occy: you obviously got a lucky day. :)
[03:48] <occy> nomasteryoda --^
[03:49] <occy> Kamion hah, I've not installed it yet.
[03:49] <nomasteryoda> thks
[03:49] <thegreatone2176> so kamion last question...
[03:49] <Kamion> I take it doko's fix to python2.4-minimal finally worked then
[03:49] <thegreatone2176> how do i installi t ... i clicked mark for installion
[03:49] <thegreatone2176> but when does it install
[03:49] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: press Apply
[03:49] <liquidboy> so just to get things straight... my lag problems are problems with the refresh rate?
[03:49] <nomasteryoda> nice fast dl speed
[03:50] <occy> nomasteryoda oh yeah, super sweet speed
[03:50] <nomasteryoda> 400kb
[03:50] <daniels> liquidboy: what problem are you having, exactly?
[03:50] <thegreatone2176> k thanks
[03:51] <liquidboy> daniels: when i drag windows around, they kind of 'lag' (as if my compuer is *Very* slow)
[03:52] <regeya> occy: iwillfollow.org
[03:52] <usual> is there a way to get gstreamer to play dvd's in hoary?
[03:53] <occy> regeya heh, /me checks
[03:53] <regeya> o/~ if you walk away walk away a walk away walk away I will follow o/~
[03:53] <occy> regeya heh, an IIS error page
[03:54] <regeya> d'oh.
[03:54] <occy> regeya that your site?
[03:54] <occy> regeya http://theinterference.com/  <-- Some U2 covers there done by my band. ;)
[03:54] <occy> http://theinterference.com/music/mp3/shadow_sessions1/ti-covertune-until_the_end_of_the_world.mp3
[03:55] <occy> triple your money back if not 100% satisfied.[tm] 
[03:55] <daniels> liquidboy: that's probably your window manager sucking.  what sort of video card do you have?
[03:55] <regeya> occy: nope
[03:55] <regeya> I just chose that for giggles
[03:55] <occy> :(
[03:55] <liquidboy> daniels: s3 pro savage ddr
[03:55] <occy> Debootstrap Error
[03:55] <occy> *sigh*
[03:55] <daniels> mmm, probably just the window manager then
[03:56] <occy> triple my money back if I'm not 100% satisfied....
[03:56] <liquidboy> daniels: it happens no matter which wm i use
[03:56] <occy> heh
[03:56] <liquidboy> ive used blackbox / flux box xfce...
[03:56] <siulca> finally I got X to work.
[03:56] <daniels> liquidboy: very, very, very few window managers are written right.  metacity, and *some* parts of kwin, are the only ones that come close to even being halfway sensible.
[03:56] <regeya> occy: Registrant Name:New Life Christian Fellowship
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> liquidboy, do you live near a computer store?
[03:57] <liquidboy> kind of
[03:57] <daniels> liquidboy: (the problem is that xlib, the standard x client library, buffers requests, so you say MOVE! MOVE! MOVE!, and it only syncs at the third move, so you get nice lagging and tearing.)
[03:57] <liquidboy> oh right
[03:57] <siulca> how do I reload fstab to reflect the latest changes?
[03:57] <liquidboy> so it's not my hardware?
[03:57] <occy> hey.... what hdparm params should I use?
[03:57] <occy> on the cdrom?
[03:57] <Kamion> uh ... it asked you?
[03:58] <Kamion> are you in expert mode or something?
[03:58] <daniels> liquidboy: probably not, no.  i strongly suggest metacity.
[03:58] <occy> Kamion heh, trying to check the disc and it asked me.
[03:58] <BrettMeister> ....a total noob at linux.
[03:58] <BrettMeister> Help?
[03:58] <siulca> anyone knows how do I reload fstab to reflect the latest changes? :|
[03:58] <Kamion> occy: it's obviously dropped to a stupidly low debconf priority.
[03:58] <Kamion> occy: it's more likely that the current daily simply doesn't work; that's the hazard of dailies
[03:58] <JDahl> siulca, I think you need to manually remount stuff. got X working?
[03:59] <siulca> JD yeah I'm in X.
[03:59] <liquidboy> metacity's already installed, how can i get into it from the log in?
[03:59] <occy> Kamion Triple my money back if I'm not....
[03:59] <occy> heh
[03:59] <Kamion> array cd 2 should work fine
[03:59] <occy> hmmm
[03:59] <daniels> liquidboy: just start standard gnome and that's what you get
[03:59] <occy> well fiddlesticks
[03:59] <liquidboy> oh, well then im running metacity already
[04:00] <siulca> I edited fstab to mount a music partition (so that I have something to listen to while I sort some ubuntu problems)
[04:00] <occy> it was kind enough to get the partitioner working this time. :)
[04:00] <BrettMeister> Just installed on another computer.  Have Gnome up.  But can't find where a dialer is to get to my ISP.
[04:00] <siulca> I saved the changes now I just need to load the changed fstab.
[04:01] <liquidboy> surely then it must be my hardware... the same thing happened in beos aswell...
[04:01] <occy> Kamion any thing I could pass at it at boot time?
[04:01] <Kamion> occy: no idea because I don't know what's wrong. I doubt it though.
[04:01] <Kamion> occy: look in /var/log/messages after debootstrap fails
[04:02] <Kamion> occy: I have to say that relying on a current daily when you need your computer to work is very silly. :-)
[04:02] <occy> Kamion well... 1.0 won't install
[04:02] <occy> FC1 will.
[04:02] <Kamion> 1.0?
[04:02] <occy> warty
[04:02] <occy> whatever that is.
[04:02] <occy> heh
[04:02] <Kamion> Ubuntu does not have a version 1.0. Warty is 4.10.
[04:02] <Kamion> what breaks with warty?
[04:03] <occy> Kamion sec.
[04:03] <BrettMeister> What if the aptitude showed that some packages did not install when I was doing the initial Warty install?
[04:03] <Kamion> BrettMeister: a surprising bug which shouldn't've happened with a final release
[04:04] <Kamion> BrettMeister: unless you ran out of disk space
[04:04] <occy> not a big enough buffer heh
[04:04] <BrettMeister> I'm not sure how that could have happened with a 60 gig.
[04:04] <Kamion> quite
[04:05] <Kamion> well, tell aptitude to install the ubuntu-desktop task again and see what happens
[04:05] <Kamion> the full log is in /var/log/base-config*
[04:05] <BrettMeister> I downloaded and burned it myself.  Soundl like an initial prob there?
[04:05] <Kamion> I hope you checked the md5sum
[04:05] <occy> yeah I did
[04:05] <occy> and it came out fine
[04:05] <regeya> I think mauve has more RAM.
[04:05] <Kamion> occy: I was talking to BrettMeister
[04:05] <occy> oh
[04:06] <Kamion> occy: "not a big enough buffer"; was that directed at me, and if so could I have more context please?
[04:06] <occy> Dec 28 22:04:50 (none) user.info anna[4330] : Warning **: bad d-i Packages file grep: /cdrom/dist/stable/Release : Not a dirctory
[04:06] <occy> Kamion I get that over and over and over....
[04:06] <BrettMeister> I thought I did, but maybe I didn't do that right either.  First, how do I get from the Gnome desktop back to where I can try to re-install.  I spent some time in aptitude and tried to re-install just to get more of the same message that there was a problem with installing some of the packages.
[04:07] <Kamion> occy: probably DMA problems on the disk
[04:07] <Kamion> CD drive, rather
[04:07] <occy> Kamion :/  Why would FC1 install fine from it?
[04:08] <Kamion> BrettMeister: try just 'aptitude install ~tubuntu-desktop' from the command line, and pay attention to the output
[04:08] <liquidboy> daniels: you know how you were saying about hte xlib and how when i move it sincs it slower... is there any way to speed that up?
[04:08] <Kamion> occy: there was a problem with our kernel configuration in warty; the bit that disabled DMA on CD drives was accidentally dropped
[04:08] <Kamion> it's fixed in hoary
[04:08] <daniels> liquidboy: not without some significant code hacking in metacity and blcak magic, i'm afraid
[04:08] <liquidboy> awe :(
[04:08] <occy> Kamion yeah... it worked fine... up until it got to the daily bug :)
[04:09] <occy> with hoary that is.
[04:09] <liquidboy> is it that my video card is difficult t ocode for?
[04:09] <occy> Kamion any way to manually get around that?
[04:09] <liquidboy> the thing is that ive tried this exact same computer with peanut linux without any of these problems
[04:09] <Kamion> occy: yes, if only I can remember it
[04:09] <daniels> liquidboy: no, it's a long-standing problem with xlib
[04:09] <occy> Kamion k bud...
[04:09] <daniels> liquidboy: well, it could be that acceleration is disabled, but i'd be surprised
[04:09] <liquidboy> i might aswell check that... (and tuxracer was VERY slow) where could i check that?
[04:10] <daniels> /var/log/XFree86.0.log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log if using hoary)
[04:11] <liquidboy> ubuntu 4.10 - sao thats warty eh?
[04:11] <daniels> yeah
[04:11] <BrettMeister> Thanks for the help anyway folks.  I guess untill I get better at this I'll have to install a distro with more detailed support and reliable install disks.
[04:11] <Crane|laptop> can  the live cd save files(config) to a usb drive?
[04:11] <liquidboy> daniels:  what section / text am i looking for?
[04:12] <daniels> liquidboy: anything related to acceleration, really
[04:12] <liquidboy> oh right
[04:12] <liquidboy> it's a long file :P
[04:12] <daniels> liquidboy: the savage is an uncommon chipset, so i can't remember what it puts out off the top of my head, sorry
[04:12] <daniels> liquidboy: and that's at low verbosity, too
[04:12] <occy> searching for DMA and warty in bugzilla doesn't return anything.
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> occ
[04:13] <occy> nomasteryod
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> if that is your cd drive that is
[04:13] <Crane|laptop> any one playing doom3 under ubuntu?
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> i use hdparm in my boot.local on suse
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> for hd and cd
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> much better performance
[04:14] <Kamion> there's a kernel boot parameter, I'm looking for it. warty is unlikely to be a useful search term.
[04:14] <occy> Kamion okies.  thanks
[04:14] <occy> Kamion gonna put it on my blog so I can remember it in the future once you find it ;)
[04:14] <liquidboy> daniels: i found this line (II) SAVAGE(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
[04:15] <occy> Kamion and of course, I'll need a homepage URL if you have one so I can properly credit you for the tip.
[04:15] <Kamion> occy: echo "using_dma:0" > /proc/ide/hdc/settings
[04:15] <Kamion> occy: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2640
[04:16] <liquidboy> this is probably above my head
[04:16] <phyberoptix> type /exec -r man man
[04:16] <phyberoptix> lol
[04:16] <occy> Kamion do that at the boot param?
[04:16] <liquidboy> maybe i should get a computer geek to come and help me
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> liquidboy, a linux geek
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> the only kind
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> =)
[04:16] <liquidboy> :Pyeah
[04:17] <liquidboy> i know one you see...
[04:17] <nomasteryoda> cool
[04:17] <liquidboy> actually i know a few
[04:17] <liquidboy> but one that's acutually here (in dunedin)
[04:17] <occy> nm
[04:17] <orbitalbears> hello all - quick question - i was having problems with the install on an old laptop, so can i install from the live cd?
[04:18] <Kamion> occy: no, at the shell in alt-f2
[04:18] <Kamion> s/in/on/
[04:18] <occy> Kamion yah, I rtfa'ed
[04:19] <Kamion> fairly early, basically as soon as it exists
[04:19] <occy> err.... rtfURL'ed
[04:19] <occy> or something ;)
[04:20] <liquidboy> hehe, ive got another question about sound. when ubuntu loads the log in screen, it makes the clunky noise (Kind of) how do i make that quieter, so i can have my headphones plugged in (its too loud for them, and im scared it'll damage them)
[04:21] <kebac> do a script that sets the mixer levels to 0 for sometime after boot
[04:22] <jeffreyb> What do most use to burn cds using Ubuntu?
[04:22] <tabmoW> you guys reckon it is worth it putting ubuntu x86 version on a PII 233 - 64mbram - 4gb hdd laptop ?
[04:22] <scoon> jeffreyb, cdrecord
[04:22] <briareus> hello all
[04:22] <jeffreyb> I realize that... GUI please. ;P
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> nautilus?
[04:23] <briareus> just completed ubuntu install, trying to start sshd service, how do i do that?
[04:23] <scoon> jeffreyb, sorry.  that's what i use.
[04:23] <scoon> jeffreyb, maybe try xcdroast.
[04:24] <scoon> jeffreyb, most of those are just gui layers on top of cdrecord.
[04:24] <occy> Kamion did you know of any work-around with the warty cd?
[04:24] <occy> Kamion it's now giving:  Failed to copy file from CDROM. Retry?
[04:24] <jeffreyb> Cool. I like K3B alot but was wondering if the Gnome world had something similar
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> jeffreyb, nothing as nice
[04:25] <scoon> jeffreyb, i guess xcdroast would be the closeset thing to that.
[04:25] <Kamion> occy: I was under the impression that what I said above was a workaround, but I have never seen this error myself so I cannot be sure.
[04:25] <Kamion> briareus: install the openssh-server package
[04:25] <occy> no worries, you did try...
[04:25] <occy> thanks bunches
[04:25] <occy> *yawn*  I now need sleep it seems.
[04:25] <briareus> Kamion, i did, its installing, will it start it as well?
[04:26] <Kamion> briareus: yes
[04:26] <occy> Debating if I should get up and swim or sleep in.
[04:26] <occy> anyhoo... thanks guys for the help.  bbl
[04:26] <lukins> tabmow have you tried beatrix livecd, ubuntu for pentiums with 64mb
[04:27] <briareus> Kamion, thanks, but in general, in debian/ubuntu, how does one start a service?
[04:27] <tabmoW> lukins: i don't want a livecd though... i want a proper install
[04:27] <lukins> tabmoW, it has an installer
[04:27] <briareus> tabmoW, hehe whats up
[04:28] <tabmoW> ;oP
[04:28] <Kamion> briareus: one installs the package in question
[04:28] <tabmoW> lukins: well ubuntu just came in the mail so i was going to put that on... you would advise against it?
[04:28] <Kamion> briareus: after installation, '/etc/init.d/<service> start' and stop
[04:28] <lukins> tabmoW, no try it out and see if you like it, but definitely check out beatrix
[04:28] <briareus> ok thats sort of what i thought, thanks Kamion
[04:28] <Kamion> by convention packages start any services they install, though
[04:29] <briareus> its been months since i ran debian
[04:30] <liquidboy> kebac: um, i don't really know how to do a script... i'm a bit of a noob
[04:30] <kebac> liquidboy: neither do i... :)
[04:30] <liquidboy> :P
[04:31] <kebac> liquidboy: i only heard that someone used a script to prevent loud pops during boot
[04:31] <briareus> apt-get dist upgrade  <--whats wrong with that
[04:31] <kebac> shouldnt be too difficult to create a script that simple
[04:32] <liquidboy> but what do i write?
[04:32] <kebac> liquidboy: search google for "linux scripting" or similar
[04:33] <mcgood> liquidboy: look for files with .sh extension on your PC
[04:33] <briareus> what will a apt-get dist-upgrade do to ubuntu?
[04:34] <briareus> any thoughts?
[04:34] <ubuntu> ubuntu really is nifty, Gnome has come a long way, this is my first irc chat with my fresh install of Ubuntu!
[04:35] <mcgood> briareus: it will update the version to the latest on the server
[04:35] <briareus> mcgood, ok cool, it just wont go from say warty to whatever unless i change my apt repositories right?
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu, congrats
[04:36] <ubuntu> it's really beautiful chaps
[04:36] <mcgood> briareus: that's right
[04:37] <ubuntu> anyway bye for now
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> boy, that was quick
[04:37] <briareus> mcgood, "mplayer-k6: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.1) but 1.2.3-1 is to be installed" that means i need to apt-get update right?
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> nice hello.goodbye
[04:37] <siulca> I isntalled the mp3 package but can;t hear any sound... can anyone help?
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> siulca, do you have the bootup sounds?
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> or start sounds?
[04:38] <briareus> siulca, alot of audio apps in linux install muted by default to protect speakers, try aumix or something or alsamixer to raise levels
[04:38] <siulca> er... didn't notice!
[04:38] <mcgood> briareus: is mplayer in universe?
[04:38] <briareus> mcgood, no idea
[04:39] <briareus> well hello lilubu
[04:39] <lilubu> hi briareus nice to meet you
[04:39] <briareus> mcgood, actually it was lilubu here that has that error
[04:39] <rm6990> I'm just wondering if anyone else has been experiencing complete system lockups with Ubuntu. Like Ctrl+alt+F2 won't work, nothing. I have to reboot with Ubuntu more often than I did with Windows
[04:39] <gpled> is their a package that will install flash? or do i have to do in by hand?
[04:40] <briareus> gpled, when i run firefox i can install it from within fluxbox running
[04:40] <rm6990> gpled: download the latest firefox from mozilla.org, it does it automaticially after u come to a site that needs it
[04:40] <JDahl> rm6990, that's bad... I had problems with powersafe on a laptop running debian/unstable but nothing on ubuntu
[04:40] <gpled> using mozilla :(
[04:41] <siulca> it's not the volume level, I just checked.
[04:41] <gpled> but i like mozilla :)
[04:41] <rm6990> it just started the last couple days
[04:41] <mcgood> gpled: firefox has tabbed browsing, it's cool
[04:41] <siulca> in rythmbox it doesn't play any music just keeps skipping to the next track.
[04:41] <rm6990> gpled: download the latest mozilla from mozilla.org and then run the flash installer from macromedia.com mcgood: so does mozilla
[04:42] <JDahl> rm6990, does it happen while you use it, or could it be a problem with powersave/hibernation for you also?
[04:43] <rm6990> while i use it, i was reading a website and had xmms open on a computer with a 1.8 GHz processor and 512 MB of RAM...and it locked up, it almost never happens when the computer is doing nothing or under heavy loads
[04:43] <JDahl> custom build kernel?
[04:44] <rm6990> nope, 2.6.8.1-4-686...the updated security one from ubuntu
[04:45] <JDahl> rm6990, something else that cause troubles in ACPI on some chipsets, you could try to add acpi=off to the grub boot command
[04:46] <rm6990> would that cause problems if it wasnt hibernating though, like i had almost continuously been moving the mouse at least once a minute for the last 20 minutes when it happened
[04:46] <liquidboy> thanks for the help guyes...
[04:46] <liquidboy> later.
[04:47] <briareus> rm6990, still, booting without the acpi might help
[04:47] <rm6990> alright, ill try....will i have to add the option everytime i install a new kernel?
[04:47] <JDahl> yes
[04:47] <briareus> and had i seen the opportunity, i would have just now installed with noapic nolapic acpi=off
[04:48] <briareus> i was a little unsettled by the fact that the ubuntu install prompted me for nothing but a username and password, i usually install a rather thin operating system, this install just took me three hours
[04:50] <rm6990> should i turn apm off too?
[04:50] <rm6990> like apm=off
[04:51] <JDahl> I dont think so.. isnt apm a service?
[04:51] <JDahl> /etc/init.d/apmd
[04:51] <rm6990> lol...never mind then
[04:51] <briareus> and Im a little surprised that the apps i am used to urpmi'ing arent even in the apt-get repositories, where can i find apt-get repositories that have more packages?
[04:52] <JDahl> briareus, did you include multiverse?
[04:52] <rm6990> uncomment out the universe repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list and you can then copy and paste those 2 lines again into the file and change the words universe to multiverse
[04:52] <briareus> JDahl, all i have done is install, apt-get dist-upgrade, at this point
[04:52] <Poprocks> hey -- can anyone tell me how I can change what modules get loaded upon boot so I can switch from oss to alsa?  I checked /etc/modules but the oss modules aren't listed there so maybe something else is loading them?  any suggestions!
[04:52] <briareus> ok rm6990
[04:53] <rm6990> that way you would have 2 universe lines and 2 multiverse lines (i worded it a little confusingly)
[04:53] <briareus> i got you :)
[04:53] <rm6990> anyways, im going to reboot to test that out, thx JDahl
[04:57] <briareus> even in multiverse/universe, no such animal as ethereal. thats just crazy to me
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> certainly is
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> ethereal is sweet
[04:58] <briareus> as is rkhunter
[04:58] <briareus> i mean i can build them, but I am surprised they arent in the repo
[05:00] <Poprocks> actually ya know what?  oss works fine.. so why change
[05:01] <regeya> actually ya know what?  so does alsa these days.  just not on some older cards, afaik.
[05:02] <Kamion> briareus: uh ...
[05:02] <Kamion>   ethereal | 0.10.4-3ubuntu1 | warty/universe | amd64, i386, powerpc, source
[05:02] <Kamion> it's right there
[05:02] <Kamion> briareus: perhaps you didn't press Reload?
[05:02] <briareus> well for me it just says
[05:02] <briareus> hmm this time it worked, what the hell
[05:02] <briareus> it said before cannot stat package so and so
[05:02] <regeya> hmm.
[05:03] <briareus> thats ok, as long as it works
[05:03] <daniels> briareus: er, that means you need to do apt-get update, or fix your typo.
[05:03] <Kamion> briareus: definitely means you didn't press Reload the first time
[05:03] <briareus> reload?
[05:04] <siulca> does anyone know why I can listem to music on totem but not rhythmbox?!!
[05:04] <briareus> i dont know what you mean
[05:04] <broodster> hey
[05:04] <broodster> i need help installing a java based game
[05:04] <Kamion> there's a big reload button in synaptic; if you're not using synaptic, 'apt-get update' as daniels said
[05:04] <Poprocks> regeya: I've used alsa almost exclusively in my linux career
[05:04] <broodster> i can't seem to get it to work
[05:04] <broodster> can someone help me out?
[05:04] <rm6990> JDahl: the acpi=off prevented it from booting....i dont know why i didnt think of this but i get errors on every boot about the modules PCIEHP and SHPCHP not loading
[05:04] <briareus> ah thats why, i hardly use gui for such stuff
[05:04] <Poprocks> regeya: but for now, oss works fine so I'm not going to fix it if it ain't broke
[05:05] <rm6990> these modprobe errors happen on 3 different comps running ubuntu
[05:05] <regeya> hm.
[05:06] <orbitalbears> anyone know if you can install ubuntu from the live cd they offer?
[05:07] <rm6990> JDahl: is it safe to make the files it is trying to load non-executable?
[05:07] <broodster> can someone help me?
[05:07] <broodster> i'm having trouble installing a java based game
[05:08] <JDahl> rm6990, I wouldn't know... but that's a strange problem - acpi=off should be safe
[05:08] <rm6990> broodster: do you have java installed, you might have to get it from java.com, download the self extracting file (not the RPM)...execute it in your home directory as root, change the name of the folder it creates to java, then place that folder in /usr/local (the new java folder should be /usr/local/java) then issue the command at your shell (as regular user)
[05:08] <rm6990> echo "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/java/bin"
[05:09] <rm6990> sorry, that wont work!
[05:09] <rm6990> echo "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/java/bin" > .bashrc
[05:09] <rm6990> and you have to be in ur home folder to do this
[05:09] <briareus> i thought >> appends while > overwrites
[05:10] <rm6990> JDahl: lol, how do i get into system recovery mode from the install cd should this turn out to not work?
[05:10] <rm6990> to make the files executable again?
[05:10] <broodster> ive installed the java runtime enviroment
[05:10] <broodster> that's all i need right?
[05:11] <rm6990> broodster: did u issue that command i gave to add the java binaries to your path?
[05:11] <JDahl> rm6990, boot to runlvl 1 should still work
[05:11] <JDahl> rm6990, I havent used the live CD
[05:11] <rm6990> JDahl: use the recovery option at the grub screen in other words?
[05:12] <JDahl> rm6990, is that runlvl 1? I never knew what it did... it just do what I always did
[05:12] <broodster> ok
[05:12] <broodster> wait
[05:12] <broodster> rm6990
[05:12] <broodster> can i send u the installer
[05:12] <rm6990> broodster: the path i gave has to point to ur binaries
[05:12] <broodster> that
[05:12] <broodster> they sent me
[05:12] <rm6990> like where u put them
[05:12] <broodster> so u know more about what im talking about
[05:12] <rm6990> broodster: what game is it?
[05:12] <broodster> war of conquest
[05:12] <siimo> has anyone installed hoary using the mini.iso?
[05:13] <siimo> its only like 5mb
[05:13] <rm6990> broodster: how big is it (thx to my little brothers virus infested windows computer...i am pushing my bandwidth limit for the month)
[05:13] <siulca> can anyone help me with rhythmbox?
[05:13] <broodster> lol
[05:13] <broodster> wth
[05:13] <broodster> 6.8 mb
[05:13] <siimo> what
[05:14] <rm6990> alright...yeah, u can send it to me...how r u going to send it?
[05:14] <broodster> sorry about that
[05:14] <broodster> sending
[05:15] <rm6990> i clicked accept, why is it just sitting there...the window wont come out from ontop of my xchat window
[05:15] <broodster> hmm
[05:15] <_|Imanewbie|_> Hail fols
[05:15] <_|Imanewbie|_> folks
[05:15] <rm6990> JDahl: I'm going to try what i was going to do, ill let you know
[05:15] <Kamion> broodster: yeah, the command rm6990 gave you *definitely* should have been >> .bashrc, not > .bashrc
[05:15] <_|Imanewbie|_> any news about cds shipments?
[05:16] <broodster> wait
[05:16] <broodster> ill give u the exact link
[05:16] <rm6990> alright, yeah, it aint coming through
[05:16] <broodster> http://www.play-free-online-games.com/woc/woc_install.zip
[05:18] <rm6990> broodster: give me a couple of minutes to look at it
[05:18] <broodster> alright
[05:18] <broodster> ok
[05:18] <broodster> its for mac and linux
[05:19] <rm6990> it has a .exe file in the .zip file....r u sure u didnt click the wrong link, or maybe it is for all three
[05:19] <broodster> im sure
[05:19] <rm6990> anyone know how to start a .jar file with java?
[05:20] <rm6990> i tried java filename.jar and it didnt work
[05:20] <broodster> http://warofconquest.com/download.php
[05:20] <crimsun> rm6990: java -jar filename.jar
[05:20] <broodster> that's where i downloaded it
[05:20] <rm6990> crimsun: i knew i was doing something wrong...thank you!
[05:20] <crimsun> rm6990: np
[05:20] <Poprocks> I'm having some trouble with my smbclient on ubuntu .. my server works fine though
[05:21] <Poprocks> I can't browse any smb shares with nautilus
[05:21] <Poprocks> anyone else having similar problems?
[05:21] <rm6990> broodster: i just had the game running using the above command, do me a favour, open a terminal and type in java and click tab twice and let me know what comes up for possible completions
[05:22] <broodster> omg thanks !
[05:22] <rm6990> it worked? did u use the above command?
[05:22] <Cloudchaser> poprocks i have the same problem
[05:23] <Poprocks> Cloudchaser: really?
[05:23] <Cloudchaser> yes
[05:23] <broodster> yes =] 
[05:23] <Poprocks> any suggestions anyone?
[05:23] <Cloudchaser> what i do is..made an fstab entry
[05:23] <Cloudchaser> and then i can do mount -a
[05:23] <rm6990> broodster: no prob, java can be a real pain, i was thinking of writing up an unofficial guide to it and GNU FDL'ing it
[05:23] <Poprocks> well that doesn't really solve the problem, it just pokes at the symptoms
[05:23] <Cloudchaser> and then i can browse them in file manager, but not network browser
[05:23] <Poprocks> but yeah Cloudchaser I see that that would work
[05:23] <Cloudchaser> yup
[05:23] <siulca> help please!
[05:24] <Cloudchaser> it doesn't solve it
[05:24] <Cloudchaser> i tried and tried to figure out what was wrong
[05:24] <crimsun> siulca: ...with?
[05:24] <Cloudchaser> nearest i can figure is there's some gnome-vfs bug
[05:24] <Cloudchaser> not sure if thats even relate though
[05:25] <Cloudchaser> just saw it mentioned while googling for the issue
[05:25] <siulca> crimsum, with rhythmbox
[05:25] <Poprocks> yeah...
[05:25] <Poprocks> well it worked with other distros :(
[05:25] <Cloudchaser> yes i think it did..i know it worked with 2.4 kernel
[05:25] <Cloudchaser> this is my first use of newer kernel though
[05:26] <Cloudchaser> s the smb browsing
[05:26] <Cloudchaser> method has been merged into gnome-vfs2
[05:26] <Cloudchaser> i read that so maybe thats where the issue is
[05:26] <siulca> crimsum, any idea how I make rhythmbox do what it's supposed to do... play music?
[05:28] <_|Imanewbie|_> any news about cds shipments? Can I know if mine have already been shipped?
[05:28] <briareus> i received mine today
[05:29] <broodster> =] 
[05:29] <briareus> a coworker got his 4 weeks ago
[05:29] <briareus> who knows
[05:29] <broodster> hey
[05:29] <broodster> is linux supported by ATI?
[05:29] <spikeb> yes
[05:29] <spikeb> but their linux support is just as bad as their windows support.
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> not by ATI per se, but works on ATI boards
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> ATI sucks really
[05:29] <broodster> yah
[05:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> Ive ordered my cds an ice age ago
[05:30] <broodster> their catalyst thing is a JOKE
[05:30] <phyberoptix> nvidia
[05:30] <broodster> unfortunately
[05:30] <broodster> i didn't know that
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> if you want real 3d, then nvidia is the way, the truth and the light
[05:30] <spikeb> my motherboard can't handle a nvidia card (stupid thing) so i AM glad ati is around for that
[05:30] <broodster> till i bought a radeon =[
[05:30] <daniels> video card wars offtopic, guys.
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> spikeb, huh?
[05:30] <spikeb> nomasteryoda, i have a lovely abit kt7a
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:31] <siulca> what program does everybody use to play music on Ubuntu?
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> xmms is my favorite
[05:31] <rm6990> JDahl: (or anyone else if u know how to do it): about this boot message errors...how do i get the output from when my computer was booting so i can show u what it was doing?
[05:31] <spikeb> i use rhythmbox.
[05:31] <spikeb> heh
[05:31] <rm6990> xmmx...and sometimes mplayer (compiled from source) for certain restricted codecs from a certain greedy monopoly
[05:32] <rm6990> *xmms
[05:32] <briareus> rm6990, cat /var/log/messages | grep error
[05:32] <siulca> spikeb, how did u manage to make rhythmbox to work? mine is refusing to play anything I throw at it!
[05:32] <spikeb> siulca, mine played ogg out of the box
[05:32] <spikeb> i added gstreamer's mad plugin and now it does mp3 too
[05:32] <siulca> oh... ogg... I got 26GB of mp3 :(
[05:33] <siulca> I added the mad plugin as well but still doesn;t play mp3! any idea why?
[05:33] <spikeb> gstreamer0.8-mad to be exact
[05:33] <rm6990> siulca: the ubuntu guys are just covering their asses from patent infringement lawsuits...xmms will play the files, just add universe
[05:33] <siulca> add universe?
[05:33] <broodster> broodster@broodster:~ $ rpm -Uh --force fglrx-4.3.0-3.14.6.i386.rpm
[05:33] <broodster> rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian.
[05:33] <broodster> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2)
[05:33] <broodster> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
[05:33] <broodster> broodster@broodster:~ $
[05:33] <broodster> help plz =] 
[05:34] <rm6990> cat /var/log/messages | grep error didnt give me the right error messages i was looking for
[05:34] <Ravenlock> Hey all :) Could use some help with an ISO install, if anyone is willing
[05:34] <Poprocks> ogg rules
[05:34] <broodster> trying to install my ati drivers
[05:34] <spikeb> broodster, use the drivers ubuntu provides instead
[05:34] <_|Imanewbie|_> siulca: go to apt and open the sources list with a text editor
[05:34] <broodster> where do i get that
[05:34] <broodster> is it on the cd i burned?
[05:34] <rm6990> broodster: is there any files other than rpms available for ati?
[05:34] <spikeb> broodster, fglrx driver is already packaged for ubuntu, it's in the restricted repository
[05:34] <rm6990> never mind, listen to spikeb
[05:34] <siulca> _|Imanewbie|_, ok
[05:34] <broodster> nope
[05:35] <broodster> all rpms
[05:35] <Ravenlock> A description of the problem: CD in drive, boots into the install, allows me to select my location and language, and then does the "scanning CDrom" part and freezes on a blue screen
[05:35] <siulca> _|Imanewbie|_, what for?
[05:35] <broodster> so spike
[05:35] <broodster> it's on the cd right?
[05:35] <Ravenlock> This seems similar to the behavior I got from a straight Debian install CD, which told me it couldn't read the image.
[05:35] <spikeb> broodster, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:35] <_|Imanewbie|_> there will be a list of urls and something like universe
[05:35] <spikeb> broodster, and yes it should be i believe
[05:36] <rm6990> Ravenlock: what kind of cd drive do u have?
[05:36] <Ravenlock> It isn't a problem with my CD burner - I suspect I'm missing a tag on the boot that I need... for instance, to get into Knoppix I need to use nodma, but that has no effect here
[05:36] <Ravenlock> Whatever kind came in a Dell Latitude laptop about 5 years ago. Honestly, no clue. ;)
[05:36] <briareus> Ravenlock, try something like noapic, nolapic, acpi=off, or all of em
[05:36] <spikeb> heh
[05:36] <rm6990> is there another way anybody to get the boot-time error messages, this isnt giving me the proper ones
[05:36] <spikeb> dmesg?
[05:37] <_|Imanewbie|_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[05:37] <Ravenlock> briareus: will setting all the tags have any negative effects?
[05:37] <_|Imanewbie|_> add multiverse like the example above
[05:37] <Ravenlock> I don't want to prevent anything from autodetecting, if it can
[05:37] <Kamion> Ravenlock: see if the stuff in https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2640 works for you
[05:38] <Kamion> Ravenlock: comments #4 to #6
[05:38] <Ravenlock> (I actually have an install of Kanotix, another Debian variant, up and running; I was able to get their LiveCD to work. But I want to try Ubuntu.) :)
[05:38] <Ravenlock> Checking that now, Kamion, thanks :)
[05:39] <_|Imanewbie|_> siulca: got it?
[05:39] <Poprocks> I'm getting "illegal instruction" errors when running mplayer... uh... ?
[05:39] <rm6990> spikeb: still not the same error messages, but getting plenty of other errors here...do u think i should just compile my own kernel and be done with it?
[05:39] <spikeb> hmmm
[05:39] <rm6990> i'm not that great at it but ill manage?
[05:39] <spikeb> rm6990, are you sure the errors you're getting are harmful? heh
[05:39] <spikeb> brb
[05:40] <rm6990> ill put them in pastebin.com, ill give u the link in a minute
[05:40] <spikeb> ok
[05:40] <spikeb> i'll be back in a minute
[05:41] <broodster> how do i know what kernel i have?
[05:41] <_|Imanewbie|_> siulca: are you there?
[05:41] <rm6990> http://www.pastebin.com/134359
[05:41] <crimsun> broodster: `uname -r`
[05:41] <rm6990> anyone else that knows a lot about this...please take a look too...again it is http://www.pastebin.com/134359
[05:41] <crimsun> broodster: and yes, the drivers are already in Ubuntu Warty
[05:42] <Ravenlock> Kamion: Success! Brilliant. Thanks so much!
[05:42] <crimsun> siulca: enable the 'universe' repository in Synaptic, then Update, then install 'gstreamer0.8-mad'
[05:42] <Ravenlock> Had to type it very fast, but it worked ;)
[05:42] <broodster> 2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic
[05:42] <crimsun> siulca: then (re)start Rhythmbox, and you'll be able to play mp3s
[05:42] <Ravenlock> They really ought to put in a boot tag to disable DMA, but beggers can't be choosers. ;)
[05:42] <broodster> so is that 686 or 386
[05:42] <crimsun> broodster: there are currently no fglrx drivers that support amd64
[05:42] <spikeb> rm6990, from what i am seeing so far, you have a nice computer :)
[05:42] <thegreatone2176> Kamion ... back ... and now its saying my compiler (gpp) wont compile anything
[05:42] <broodster> damn
[05:43] <crimsun> broodster: you'll have to wait another month til the next release
[05:43] <thegreatone2176> even though its installed
[05:43] <broodster> =[
[05:43] <crimsun> broodster: blame ATI, not Ubuntu
[05:43] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: try installing build-essentia
[05:43] <Kamion> er, build-essential
[05:43] <Kamion> Ravenlock: cool!
[05:43] <broodster> ok
[05:43] <spikeb> hmm
[05:43] <spikeb> rm6990, i'm not sure what to tell you
[05:43] <broodster> wait
[05:43] <broodster> isnt amd more popular
[05:43] <thegreatone2176> k brb after its installed
[05:43] <broodster> than intel
[05:43] <broodster> why they supporting intel?
[05:43] <Kamion> Ravenlock: we've disabled DMA on CD drives by default in Hoary; it was meant to be that way in Warty, but the change got dropped from the kernel by accident
[05:44] <Kamion> broodster: er, i386 has a massively greater install base than amd64 at the moment
[05:44] <thegreatone2176> kamion is it in the packages or just google it?
[05:44] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: the build-essential package.
[05:44] <rm6990> spikeb: thx...it is fairly nice...lol, only when it works though ;)
[05:44] <Ravenlock> Ah. I didn't realize that when I said "they" I was referring to "you". ;) Thank you again for the quick point to the fix. :)
[05:44] <spikeb> rm6990, all i can see is the USB problem, and i dont know anything about that
[05:44] <Kamion> broodster: amd64 is only part of what AMD put out
[05:44] <spikeb> i386 is generic - it includes both amd and intel x86 chips
[05:44] <Kamion> Ravenlock: heh, yeah
[05:45] <rm6990> yeah...it for some reason isnt showing the modprobe errors, i could reboot and quickly write them down if u would like
[05:45] <spikeb> rm6990, on the off chance i might be able to help, sure if you want
[05:45] <crimsun> siulca: just query me, don't dcc chat, thanks :)
[05:46] <rm6990> and if all else fails, ill just compile my own kernel :-P...anyways, thx for the help, ill be back in probably 5 minutes
[05:47] <siulca> crimsun, sorry :)
[05:48] <siulca> crimsun, just to let you know that I got the mad plugin installed and I can hear music on other players just not on rhythmbox.
[05:49] <crimsun> siulca: did you restart Rhythmbox?
[05:49] <buu> I seem to have missed something. I just installed unbuntu, set up an account, etc, how the heck do I get root privs?
[05:49] <siulca> yes... I'm even considering to restart the pc!
[05:49] <spikeb> buu, sudo
[05:49] <buu> oh
[05:49] <buu> I see.
[05:49] <buu> How do I enable the root account?
[05:49] <spikeb> that i don't know.
[05:49] <buu> =[
[05:49] <Kamion> sudo passwd root
[05:50] <siulca> crimsum, yes... I'm even considering to restart the pc!
[05:50] <buu> Kamion: Logical
[05:50] <buu> Ack, wtf. Ubuntu doesn't have flux/black box?!
[05:51] <crimsun> sure it does.
[05:51] <crimsun> both in 'universe' repo
[05:51] <buu> mmm
[05:51] <spikeb> why anyone would use ubuntu that didnt want gnome is beyond me
[05:51] <buu> spikeb: It was in the nature of an experiment.
[05:51] <spikeb> ahh
[05:51] <rm6990> http://www.pastebin.com/134362
[05:52] <spikeb> ok
[05:52] <rm6990> i copied the errors into there
[05:52] <spikeb> hmm
[05:52] <spikeb> rm6990, those two errors i get all the time - they're fairly normal as far as i know
[05:52] <thegreatone2176> kamion ... first error fixed thanks now i have thiss one configure: error: Cannot find termcap compatible library.
[05:52] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: install the libncurses5-dev package, probably
[05:52] <spikeb> rm6990, so i dont think it has anything to do with your problem
[05:52] <thegreatone2176> ok
[05:53] <rm6990> spikeb: damn....i was hoping if something was broken i could at least find it :P
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> spikeb, why can't you use a better video card?
[05:53] <spikeb> nomasteryoda, this board freaks out with any nvidia card newer than like a mx4400
[05:53] <spikeb> nomasteryoda, so i'm stuck with a radeon 9200
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> man that is crazy
[05:54] <rm6990> spikeb: i think im going to custom compile my own kernel...ive always liked doing that anyways.
[05:54] <spikeb> yeah but it's a fairly well known/documented problem
[05:54] <spikeb> that really has no solution
[05:54] <spikeb> rm6990, okie dokie
[05:54] <rm6990> Does anyone know if it is ok to remove the distros kernel after i have compiled my own or does one always need to be there from apt?
[05:54] <Kamion> you should be able to remove it
[05:54] <spikeb> rm6990, you can actually make a .deb package of your own kernel
[05:54] <crimsun> rm6990: you are free to use whatever you wish, but official support is limited to the subset of supported debs
[05:55] <Kamion> although obviously you should always keep at least one older working kernel around as a backup
[05:55] <rm6990> Kamion: alright, that probably is a good idea   spikeb: how do u make the .deb....is it a long process?
[05:55] <ubuntu> hello folks I'm getting a really strange output from the command "last -i"??? the IP number appears in my logs 146.135.4.8 what is going on?
[05:56] <ubuntu> last -i
[05:56] <spikeb> rm6990, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto
[05:56] <rm6990> spikeb: thx
[05:57] <thegreatone2176> kamion
[05:57] <spikeb> no problem
[05:57] <thegreatone2176> back
[05:57] <thegreatone2176> configure: error: The X11 library '-lX11' could not be found.
[05:57] <thegreatone2176>                   Please use the configure options '--x-includes=DIR'
[05:57] <thegreatone2176>                   and '--x-libraries=DIR' to specify the X location.
[05:57] <thegreatone2176>                   See the files 'config.log' and 'ddd/config.log'
[05:57] <thegreatone2176>                   for further diagnostics.
[05:57] <thegreatone2176> last error hopefully
[05:57] <daniels> thegreatone2176: sudo apt-get install libx11-dev
[05:57] <thegreatone2176> k
[05:58] <lynrob> handspring pda was working, now not syncing, though the configuration is still good, any suggestions?
[05:58] <ubuntu> I just installed ubuntu, I ran the command "#last -i" and I get this IP address in my logs  146.135.4.8 ?
[05:58] <buu> Hrm. Where does ubuntu look to determine which WM to launch?
[05:59] <rm6990> spikeb: if i just do the standard #make && make modules_install (this is what it says to do in the gentoo handbook) does it just install everything in /lib?
[05:59] <tabmoW> ubuntu: and ?
[05:59] <ubuntu> I don't understand
[05:59] <spikeb> rm6990, modules go in lib, yeah
[05:59] <ubuntu> this isn't my IP address?
[06:00] <rm6990> and then everything else stays in /usr/src/whatever and whatever i copy into the /boot directory, right?
[06:00] <ubuntu> Is it maybe a bug?
[06:00] <crimsun> rm6990: you should look at kernel-package [make-kpkg(1)] 
[06:01] <rm6990> crimsun: can i use make-kpkg with a vanilla kernel from kernel.org?
[06:01] <crimsun> rm6990: absolutely
[06:01] <Poprocks> whoa... how is that gnome-cd-player is playing my cd even though I don't have a cable connected from my cdrom drive to my sound card?
[06:01] <rm6990> alright
[06:01] <Poprocks> that's cool
[06:01] <crimsun> Poprocks: Digital Audio Extraction
[06:01] <crimsun> data flows over the IDE bus
[06:01] <crimsun> (provided you have an ATAPI drive)
[06:01] <Poprocks> I've always been able to do that on totem
[06:01] <buu> ubuntu does that? Cool.
[06:02] <buu> I never could get windows to do that. It was ridiculous.
[06:02] <spikeb> cool
[06:02] <Poprocks> but I've always been out of luck with gnome-cd-player
[06:02] <Poprocks> buu: really?
[06:02] <buu> Poprocks: Yeah.
[06:02] <buu> Poprocks: Every app I tried just tried to send it straight to the sound card. It was silly.
[06:02] <scoon> what version of xfce is in hoary ?
[06:02] <spikeb> whatever version sid had when they last took packages
[06:02] <Poprocks> finally I can listen to Broken Social Scene :)
[06:03] <Poprocks> but I usually rip all my tracks into oggs anyway.. still it's a cool feature
[06:03] <buu> Excellent!
[06:03] <spikeb> aye, i rip all my stuff to ogg or flac as well
[06:03] <Poprocks> I've never really used flac
[06:03] <scoon> spikeb, ok thanks.  so my question should have started with: Is anyone here running hoary and if so what version xfce does it have.
[06:04] <Poprocks> it's a lossless codec right?
[06:04] <spikeb> scoon, heh
[06:04] <spikeb> Poprocks, yeah
[06:04] <ubuntu> I have the IP address of a remote computer in my logs I have just installed
[06:04] <Poprocks> spikeb: this may seem like a dumb question - but is it a compressed format?
[06:04] <spikeb> Poprocks, i'm not sure
[06:04] <Poprocks> does it usually produce larger or smaller files than mp3s & oggs?
[06:05] <crimsun> scoon: 4.0.6-1
[06:05] <thegreatone2176> daniel i installed waht you said and i get the same error message
[06:05] <spikeb> Poprocks, yes it is
[06:05] <crimsun> Poprocks: it is a compressed format
[06:05] <spikeb> Poprocks, larger files
[06:05] <thegreatone2176> daniels read what i said 3 lines above
[06:06] <crimsun> Poprocks: on the default setting, it's about 60-70% of the size of wav files
[06:06] <crimsun> Poprocks: certain types of files compress more easily
[06:06] <ubuntu> 146.135.4.8 does anybody know who this belongs to & why it's in my logs
[06:06] <Poprocks> I see
[06:06] <buu> Now next question: how do I change the ctrl-alt-f1 hot key to switch to my virtual terminal 1 out of the x server to alt-f1 ?
[06:07] <scoon> thanks crimsun
[06:08] <ubuntu> has anybody else notice this IP address in there logs 146.135.4.8
[06:08] <ubuntu> I just installed?
[06:08] <spikeb> i need to get myself a rio karma :)
[06:09] <crimsun> scoon: np
[06:09] <spikeb> hmm, they only seem to have one size
[06:09] <thegreatone2176> im getting this erro
[06:09] <thegreatone2176> configure: error: The X toolkit library '-lXt' could not be found.
[06:09] <thegreatone2176>                   Please use the configure options '--x-includes=DIR'
[06:09] <thegreatone2176>                   and '--x-libraries=DIR' to specify the X location.
[06:09] <thegreatone2176>                   See the files 'config.log' and 'ddd/config.log'
[06:09] <thegreatone2176>                   for further diagnostics.
[06:10] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: libxt-dev
[06:10] <ubuntu> my computer has just been hacked I've only had ubuntu loaded for half an hour
[06:10] <thegreatone2176> dude
[06:10] <thegreatone2176> an extra ip isnt a hack
[06:10] <thegreatone2176> just whois the ip
[06:10] <ubuntu> what is it?
[06:10] <crimsun> ubuntu: what logfile is this from?
[06:10] <ubuntu> last -i
[06:10] <ubuntu> 146.135.4.8
[06:11] <ubuntu> it's from the states
[06:11] <crimsun> ubuntu: as what user?
[06:11] <buu> ubuntu: Dude, you totally got pwned. You should pull all of the cables out of the back of the machine and run away immediately.
[06:11] <ubuntu> leafless
[06:11] <crimsun> ubuntu: please tell me leafless's passwd is not "leafless".
[06:11] <ubuntu> it's my default login name
[06:12] <ubuntu> no it's not
[06:12] <ubuntu> should I reinstall
[06:12] <crimsun> if you're absolutely sure you've been compromised, sure
[06:12] <ubuntu> or just give up on ubuntu
[06:13] <crimsun> though your first step should be analysis
[06:13] <crimsun> you should think of all the places from which you've logged in
[06:13] <thegreatone2176> hmm unbuntu didnt get you "hacked"
[06:13] <thegreatone2176> your non-firewall non-secure system didnt
[06:13] <thegreatone2176> and its probally someone scanning you
[06:13] <crimsun> did someone log in remotely to help you with something?
[06:14] <ubuntu> nothing
[06:14] <thegreatone2176> another error
[06:14] <thegreatone2176> configure: error: The Motif include file 'Xm/Xm.h' could not be found.
[06:14] <thegreatone2176>                   Please use the configure options '--with-motif-includes=DIR'
[06:14] <thegreatone2176>                   and '--with-motif-libraries=DIR' to specify the Xm location.
[06:14] <thegreatone2176>                   See the files 'config.log' and 'ddd/config.log'
[06:14] <thegreatone2176>                   for further diagnostics.
[06:14] <ubuntu> I did the usual security updates during install
[06:14] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: lesstif-dev
[06:14] <thegreatone2176> your great crimsum
[06:14] <thegreatone2176> thanks man
[06:14] <crimsun> np
[06:16] <ubuntu> maybe I should use the bug report
[06:16] <broodster> hey
[06:16] <stuNNed> is mplayer still broken in hoary?
[06:16] <broodster> for apache
[06:16] <crimsun> what sort of bug would you file, and against what package?
[06:16] <broodster> how do i change my port?
[06:16] <ubuntu> last
[06:16] <broodster> cuz my isp blocked port :80
[06:17] <crimsun> ubuntu: you mean against 'sysvinit'?
[06:17] <broodster> me?
[06:17] <phyberoptix> change your port in apache?
[06:18] <ubuntu> I would file it against last sysvinit, saying it is giving false remote logins
[06:18] <buu> I got to Computer -> system config -> resolution, and it's only displaying 3 resolutions, 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768, at some crap refresh rate. How do I get it to recognize the better modes my monitor is capable of?
[06:19] <crimsun> ubuntu: that's a very serious bug report
[06:19] <thegreatone2176> ddd finally installed :)
[06:19] <crimsun> ubuntu: I would first make sure I have a solid iptables configuration activated
[06:19] <thegreatone2176> now crisum wahts the easiet way to make it run\
[06:19] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: to make 'ddd' run?
[06:19] <ubuntu> did that
[06:19] <thegreatone2176> well any app
[06:19] <thegreatone2176> whats the quickest way
[06:20] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: ...just execute an app
[06:20] <buu> Anyone have any ideas?
[06:20] <crimsun> ubuntu: are you positive? it doesn't sound like you've done sufficient analysis
[06:21] <crimsun> ubuntu: for instance, /var/log/auth.log should corroborate that
[06:21] <ubuntu> what else should I check?
[06:21] <crimsun> buu: those are the modes and refresh rates reported as supported by your monitor and agreed by your video chipset
[06:21] <ubuntu> crimsun: I will just check that
[06:21] <crimsun> buu: are you using warty or hoary?
[06:22] <thegreatone2176> almost done just want to get the firewall installed but heres an error
[06:22] <thegreatone2176> configure: error: Library requirements (libgnome-2.0 >= 2.0.0
[06:22] <thegreatone2176>                   libgnomeui-2.0 >= 2.0.0
[06:22] <thegreatone2176>                   gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4.0
[06:22] <thegreatone2176>                   gnome-vfs-2.0 >= 2.6.0
[06:22] <thegreatone2176>                   libglade-2.0 >= 2.3.6) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CON
[06:22] <buu> crimsun: Warty, and those definately aren't all the modes supported.
[06:22] <crimsun> buu: what graphics chipset and driver?
[06:22] <buu> crimsun: Maybe it's a video card issue?
[06:23] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: what precisely are you attempting to build?
[06:23] <thegreatone2176> umm i just got unbutu last night and im just want  a few things installed
[06:23] <buu> crimsun: I've got a gf4ti4400 in there, I'm not sure if it's been installd properly or not.
[06:23] <thegreatone2176> and there is alot of extra libraries
[06:23] <thegreatone2176> and i paste iin here what i cant find on google
[06:23] <buu> er, s/installed/proper drivers from ubuntu/
[06:23] <crimsun> buu: are you using 'nvidia'?
[06:24] <thegreatone2176> all ive asked about is ddd and now firestarter
[06:24] <thegreatone2176> and thats all i need
[06:24] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: do you have 'universe' repo enabled?
[06:24] <thegreatone2176> hmm i was told to make it main
[06:25] <buu> crimsun: The "Module" section doesn't list either nv or nvidia, the section Driver says: Driver "nv"
[06:25] <thegreatone2176> but why would that matter .... i still need to know what to install
[06:25] <vladster> finally a live body
[06:25] <crimsun> buu: Section "Module" is irrelevant. Change Driver "nv" to Driver "nvidia"
[06:25] <buu> Ok.
[06:25] <crimsun> buu: you'll want to familiarize yourself with the IgnoreEDID option.
[06:26] <vladster> what fool logged in as root to access the net?
[06:26] <buu> "Failed to load modula nvidia (module does not exist)"
[06:26] <crimsun> buu: read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz
[06:26] <crimsun> buu: did you install nvidia-kernel-common, linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`, and nvidia-glx?
[06:27] <root_> leafless :0           146.135.4.8      Tue Dec 28 22:41   still logged in
[06:27] <root_> leafless :0           146.135.4.8      Tue Dec 28 22:20 - 22:41  (00:21)
[06:27] <root_> leafless :0           146.135.4.8      Tue Dec 28 22:18 - 22:19  (00:01)
[06:27] <root_> leafless :0           146.135.4.8      Tue Dec 28 22:06 - 22:15  (00:08)
[06:27] <root_> leafless :0           146.135.4.8      Tue Dec 28 21:53 - down   (00:11)
[06:27] <root_> leafless :0           146.135.4.8      Tue Dec 28 21:43 - down   (00:07)
[06:27] <buu> crimsun: Doing so now.
[06:27] <crimsun> root_: please use pastebin.com for floods, not the channel itself.
[06:27] <buu> Done and done.
[06:27] <crimsun> root_: thank you.
[06:27] <root_> sorry
[06:28] <buu> And resolution is still only saying 1024x768 =/
[06:28] <root_> I just was trying to show the channel my logs
[06:28] <crimsun> buu: read about the option I just told you about
[06:28] <vladster> root_: I suggest you log in as user than leave you box open as a root user
[06:28] <crimsun> root_: please /msg crimsun with the output of `who'
[06:29] <vladster> accessing the net as a root user leaves you open to an attack
[06:29] <vladster> finally got streamripper running properly
[06:30] <buu> crimsun: Er, do I need to run the nvidia-installer? I thought the apt-get took care of that.
[06:30] <vladster> I don't think it installs it
[06:30] <buu> Really?
[06:31] <crimsun> buu: you just need to able glx
[06:31] <vladster> that may have to be run when xserver is shutdown
[06:31] <crimsun> buu: read the BinaryDriver howto on the wiki
[06:31] <buu> eh
[06:31] <crimsun> ubunt1: and you've not been hacked.
[06:31] <buu> Wiki is at...?
[06:31] <crimsun> ubunt1: my last(1) output shows something similar for logins from :0
[06:32] <ubunt1> it's a bug then?
[06:32] <crimsun> yes
[06:32] <crimsun> but I don't believe it's against 'sysvinit'
[06:32] <ubunt1> I should report it
[06:32] <crimsun> have you checked bugzilla for the 'login' package?
[06:33] <ubunt1> I should worry about it, no I haven't
[06:33] <vladster> streamripper is doing a nice log
[06:33] <buu> "No search results were found for BinaryDriver"
[06:33] <crimsun> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:33] <vladster> I am right now getting the linux show so I can review it from the archives
[06:34] <buu> Simle enough
[06:34] <buu> IT's giving me a 404..
[06:34] <method55-laptop> are there any graphic designers/ web designers here?
[06:35] <method55-laptop> semi-professional/professional
[06:35] <crimsun> buu: umm...I'm looking at it right this instant...
[06:35] <buu> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowTo
[06:35] <thegreatone2176> why method
[06:36] <thegreatone2176> i know html php sql
[06:36] <vladster> http://www.legaltorrents.com/ this is a link to where you can download music that is licensed under the creative commons
[06:36] <thegreatone2176> but
[06:36] <buu> "Our apologies, the item you requested does not exist"
[06:36] <thegreatone2176> this isnt the place
[06:36] <method55-laptop> i mean involving grpahic design etc
[06:36] <thegreatone2176> dont spam their channel
[06:36] <method55-laptop> i have a question about being a webdesigner using linux
[06:36] <method55-laptop> its relavent
[06:36] <buu> Weird..
[06:37] <thegreatone2176> hmmmm ive downloaded like 25 extra libraries today is it always supposed to be like this?
[06:37] <buu> ....
[06:37] <buu> crimsun: Lower case t.
[06:37] <snerfu> yes
[06:38] <crimsun> buu: we both pasted lowercase 't'
[06:38] <crimsun> ;)
[06:39] <buu> crimsun: I can't paste, I was typing an uppercase T =/
[06:40] <buu> crimsun: Yes, I've got nvidia working, I get the splash screen when I start X, but still only showing 3 resolutions.
[06:40] <thegreatone2176> ok since firestarter wont start i tryed this ftp i was recommended and got this error
[06:40] <thegreatone2176> configure: error: You have GLIB 2.0 installed but I cannot find GTK+ 2.0. Run configure with --disable-gtk20 or install GTK+ 2.0
[06:40] <thegreatone2176> and i ran with disabl
[06:40] <thegreatone2176> then it said i needed a higher level glib
[06:40] <thegreatone2176> so it was pointless
[06:41] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: did you check to see if firestarter is available for you?
[06:41] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: paste the output of `apt-cache policy firestarter' on pastebin.com
[06:41] <crimsun> meh, I'll just build a warty chroot
[06:42] <buu> crimsun: No joy.
[06:43] <crimsun> buu: what resolution do you want?
[06:43] <buu> crimsun: 1940 or 1600
[06:43] <thegreatone2176> http://pastebin.com/134366
[06:43] <crimsun> then create a modeline for it using `gtf'
[06:44] <thegreatone2176> me?
[06:44] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: you could have saved yourself the trouble by just using `sudo apt-get install firestarter'
[06:44] <LinuxNIT> i have a fresh install of ubuntu and i was wondering if i can get the root user and su working like it does in other debian distros?
[06:44] <buu> crimsun: Erm, where do I put it?
[06:44] <crimsun> buu: the generated modeline goes in Section "Monitor"
[06:44] <buu> crimsun: Danke.
[06:45] <buu> LinuxNIT: sudo passwd root
[06:45] <LinuxNIT> ok thanks
[06:45] <buu> crimsun: I don't suppose theres a good way to stick it in there?
[06:46] <crimsun> buu: come again?
[06:46] <buu> crimsun: Well, it just prints the modeline to stdout, I need to insert it in the middle of my XF86 config file right?
[06:46] <crimsun> buu: just generate the modeline(s) you want and place them in /etc/X11/XFree86.0.log (Warty) [or in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (Hoary)] 
[06:46] <crimsun> err
[06:47] <crimsun> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 for Warty
[06:47] <crimsun> then restart gdm, of course
[06:47] <buu> Ok
[06:47] <buu> Option "DPMS"
[06:47] <buu> modeline blah blah
[06:48] <crimsun> as long as it/they is/are in your Section "Monitor"
[06:48] <buu> Ok.
[06:48] <thegreatone2176> ok i apt-get firestarter and it installed
[06:48] <thegreatone2176> but
[06:48] <thegreatone2176> i get this when i run it
[06:48] <thegreatone2176> Failed to run /usr/sbin/firestarter as user root:
[06:48] <thegreatone2176>  Child terminated with 1 status
[06:48] <crimsun> thegreatone2176: did you read /usr/share/doc/firestarter/* ?
[06:48] <thegreatone2176> nope i will now .. id dint even know to read taht
[06:49] <broodster> anyone know how i can configure the port of apache?
[06:49] <crimsun> broodster: check the system-wide httpd.conf?
[06:49] <drspin> could anyone tell me why sound on quake3 doesn't work?? it's always just worked for me... I can play sound for everything else...
[06:49] <crimsun> drspin: what sound chipset?
[06:49] <broodster> how do i check it ?
[06:50] <crimsun> broodster: best to google; I'm not an apache guru, sorry.
[06:50] <buu> broodster: It's in etc/apache/httpd.conf
[06:50] <broodster> o
[06:50] <broodster> thx
[06:50] <buu> The line looks like" port 80"
[06:50] <buu> It's heavily documented.
[06:50] <buu> crimsun: No joy I'm afraid.
[06:51] <crimsun> buu: did you add the IgnoreEDID option?
[06:51] <crimsun> buu: did you prepend your generated modelines to the Modes list?
[06:51] <buu> crimsun: I did not do anything invovling IgnoreEDID, where might I read about this?
[06:52] <crimsun> buu: in the file I mentioned above.
[06:52] <buu> And I just put the output of gtf below the last line in the Section "Monitor"
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> hi all.
[06:52] <crimsun> I really, really did mention that file for a reason.
[06:52] <da_bon_bon> i get "ped_filesystem_call" error in qtparted.
[06:52] <shambal1> somebody speak spanish
[06:53] <buu> You are referring to the nvidia-glx/README.gz yes?
[06:53] <crimsun> yes.
[06:53] <drspin> crimsun EMU10K1 driver... SB Live! Digital
[06:53] <crimsun> drspin: is snd-pcm-oss loaded?
[06:54] <nicedreams> how can i open quake in another virtual desktop?  I know about 'xinit -- :1' but i want to launch quake3 app
[06:54] <drspin> OSS?? I thought ubuntu used ALSA
[06:54] <drspin> ------- sound initialization -------
[06:54] <drspin> /dev/dsp: No such device
[06:54] <drspin> Could not open /dev/dsp
[06:54] <drspin> ------------------------------------
[06:54] <nicedreams> drspin: it does use alsa
[06:54] <crimsun> drspin: quake3 uses OSS
[06:54] <crimsun> drspin: it has nothing to do with Ubuntu
[06:54] <drspin> but I have /dev/dsp
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> anyone here use QtParted ?
[06:54] <nicedreams> ?
[06:54] <nicedreams> quake3 ?
[06:54] <crimsun> drspin: um, either you or quake3 is lying
[06:55] <nicedreams> lol
[06:55] <gen> da_bon_bon, yeah
[06:55] <drspin> LOL
[06:55] <nicedreams> how to i launch quake3
[06:55] <nicedreams> in another desktop
[06:55] <buu> crimsun: I read the document and added: IgnoreEDID "0"; to the "Section Device'
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> gen: u get somne "ped_filesystem_call" error ?
[06:55] <gen> no
[06:55] <crimsun> buu: wrong, you need to use "1" or "true"
[06:55] <buu> Oh.
[06:55] <buu> Duh, sorry.
[06:55] <gen> da_bon_bon, what are you trying to do, and when do you get the error
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> gen: it works without data damage or loss ?
[06:56] <buu> It still errors with "IgnoreEDID is not a valid keyword in this section"
[06:56] <drspin> %ls /dev |grep dsp   // "adsp; adsp1; dsp; dsp1;"
[06:56] <broodster> is there a command
[06:56] <thegreatone2176> crisum the docs of firestarter didnt ahve anythingimp that i saw
[06:56] <broodster> to see my ip?
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> gen: i just repartition - dont even commit just change to see.. and it gives the error
[06:56] <thegreatone2176> what did i miss
[06:56] <buu> It's the last line in Section "Device"
[06:56] <crimsun> buu: I don't think you read it closely
[06:56] <crimsun> broodster: for which interface?
[06:56] <buu> crimsun: It said put it in the Device section..
[06:56] <gen> repartition what
[06:56] <broodster> terminal
[06:57] <crimsun> buu: Option      "IgnoreEDID" "true" ?
[06:57] <gen> being a little more specific would be nice bon
[06:57] <crimsun> buu: that's in my Section "Device"
[06:57] <crimsun> broodster: that's not a network interface
[06:57] <broodster> o
[06:57] <broodster> well how do i see my ip?
[06:57] <buu> crimsun: Oh. I didn't realize the "Option" was required.
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> gen: i repartition my vfat on /dev/hdc using knoppix. just change, i donot commit too. after i decrease the size, it gives the error
[06:58] <crimsun> buu: please read more closely next time :)
[06:58] <crimsun> broodster: ip addr show dev eth0
[06:58] <buu> crimsun: It doesn't say it is =/
[06:58] <crimsun> buu: um...
[06:58] <da_bon_bon> gen: getting the latest version
[06:59] <crimsun> buu: Option "IgnoreEDID" "boolean"  <-- clearly stated in README.gz
[06:59] <broodster> broodster@broodster:/etc $ ip addr show dev eth0
[06:59] <broodster> 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000
[06:59] <broodster>     link/ether 00:0f:ea:44:ae:1e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[06:59] <broodster>     inet6 fe80::20f:eaff:fe44:ae1e/64 scope link
[06:59] <broodster>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
[06:59] <buu> crimsun: Yes, it does say that. However, I was interpreting "option" as just a generic description, not a piece of syntax.
[06:59] <gen> da_bon_bon, i still don't understand what you're trying to do, resize? add a partition?
[06:59] <broodster> i use a pppoe connection
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> gen: i just _try_ to resize and it gives the error.
[07:00] <gen> did you google the error
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> gen: no. i downloaded latest and am trying out.
[07:00] <drspin> I loaded snd_pcm_oss and still get no response
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> gen: why does qtparted does not fit on my screen even on 1024x768 ?
[07:01] <buu> crimsun: I modified it, started X, the resolution changer is only showing three resolutions. I pasted my XF86Config at http://pastebin.com/134370
[07:01] <gen> bon, it should be just the yellow bars that make it that way, showing disk space, it is a bit of a bug because it doesn't resize itself
[07:02] <crimsun> drspin: did you load snd-pcm-oss?
[07:02] <da_bon_bon> gen: ok. does it happen to u too ?
[07:02] <gen> da_bon_bon, on bigger drives yes
[07:02] <drspin> crimsun : %modprobe snd_pcm_oss
[07:02] <crimsun> buu: you did not do the second part of what I said
[07:02] <drspin> crimsun: if that's how you do it ;)
[07:02] <gen> menus are still fine and you don't need to see anything past the screen
[07:02] <gen> it's just the disk meter
[07:02] <crimsun> buu: note that your Modes lines lack the modeline definition you generated
[07:03] <buu> crimsun: I'm sorry, which mode list are you referring to?
[07:03] <da_bon_bon> gen: ok. thanks. i am trying now.
[07:03] <crimsun> buu: look in Section "Screen"
[07:03] <buu> I see.
[07:03] <gen> be careful messing with it if you aren't sure what you're doing
[07:03] <crimsun> buu: you should preface each list of Modes with the one you generated
[07:03] <gen> it can be dangerous :)
[07:03] <crimsun> drspin: and does it quake3 work now?
[07:03] <buu> crimsun: So Modeline foo \n Depth 1 \n Modes "etc"; ?
[07:04] <drspin> quake 3 will launch but sound does not work - same as it was before...
[07:04] <da_bon_bon> gen: i have used it before. dont i need to unmount disks before changing ?
[07:04] <crimsun> drspin: sudo echo quake3.x86 0 0 disable > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss
[07:04] <Lathiat2> drspin: yeh that happens, its much better in hoary tho
[07:05] <gen> da_bon_bon, it won't let you do anything to mounted disks anyhow, you said you're doing it off knoppix so they shouldnt be mounted anyway
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> gen: no, currently i am on ubuntu
[07:05] <broodster> how do i find out my ip address?
[07:05] <crimsun> broodster: I just told you above.
[07:05] <drspin> crimsun: "Permission denied"
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> broodster: www.whatismyip.com
[07:05] <crimsun> drspin: sudo?
[07:06] <broodster> yah
[07:06] <drspin> Lathiat2: I'm so confused which one to use -- EMU10K1 has 5000 different sliders :/
[07:06] <crimsun> buu: Modes "1600x1200_60.00" "1024x768" ...
[07:06] <broodster> and i typed out the output
[07:06] <drspin> crimsun: yes, I copied and pasted
[07:06] <metrix> on the install, during the apt-get update process, my network hickuped causing apt-get to die, I hit ctrl-c and now i'm at a prompt
[07:06] <buu> crimsun: Oh.
[07:06] <metrix> how do I start the install process again?
[07:06] <Lathiat2> drspin: heh yeh you'll want to use the "Master" and "PCM" sliders
[07:06] <metrix> or atleast the apt-get update
[07:06] <crimsun> metrix: sudo apt-get update
[07:06] <drspin> Lathiat2: how can I reset them all do their default settings and star tover?
[07:07] <Lathiat2> drspin: uh, you can't really, your sound not working?
[07:07] <calc> what does PCM mean? :)
[07:07] <nicedreams> how do i start a program in a second desktop?  like if i wanted to run a game in a second desktop (ie. ctrl+f)
[07:07] <nicedreams> ctrl + f8
[07:07] <calc> and why do i want to increase that, sounds like something evil
[07:07] <crimsun> drspin: modprobe -r snd_emu10k1 && rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state && modprobe snd-emu10k1
[07:07] <crimsun> calc: I'll emerge -funroll-loops you!
[07:08] <drspin> a/asound.state && modprobe snd-emu10k1
[07:08] <drspin> FATAL: Module snd_emu10k1 is in use.
[07:08] <crimsun> drspin: so close any applications using it.
[07:08] <calc> crimsun: muhahaha
[07:08] <Lathiat2> crimsun: nah you gotta log out of gnome
[07:08] <calc> http://www.funroll-loops.org/ :)
[07:08] <Lathiat2> crimsun: cus gnome-settings-daemon keeps the mixer open
[07:08] <crimsun> Lathiat2: (I know)
[07:08] <drspin> crimsun - no audio is playing
[07:08] <Lathiat2> drspin: you'll have to log out an ddo it from a console
[07:09] <[dksuiko] > how can i recompile my kernel to support fat=32? i tried mounting my fat32 partition with vfat, it displays the root directors, but doesnt know what they are other than the name. I'd like to try with fat=32 (as stated by man mount), but the kernel doesnt support it.
[07:09] <drspin> K brb
[07:09] <Lathiat2> [dksuiko] : are you moutning it as user?
[07:09] <crimsun> [dksuiko] : use 'vfat'. There is no 'fat=32' mount type.
[07:09] <calc> [dksuiko] : you sure it just didn't let you in the dirs do to permission problem?
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> gen: again, "An error happen during ped_file_system_open_call"
[07:09] <buu> crimsun: No go I'm afraid.
[07:09] <crimsun> buu: paste your /var/log/XFree86.0.log on pastebin
[07:09] <calc> er s/do/due/
[07:09] <crimsun> brb
[07:09] <Lathiat2> [dksuiko] : if you mount it as root then try to open it as a user you wont be able to open the directories (depend son the FS, but sounds like thats the problem for you)
[07:10] <Lathiat2> [dksuiko] : so make an fstab entry and put user in the options then double click it in computer to mount and open it
[07:10] <buu> Oh god this open file dialog is awful.
[07:10] <calc> Lathiat2: or he can just set the make so the dirs get +x
[07:10] <drspin> crimsun: please explain to me what this command will do please
[07:10] <calc> gah i typo lots
[07:10] <calc> Lathiat2: i meant to say mask
[07:10] <broodster> how do i see my ip?
[07:10] <Lathiat2> calc: yer but moutning as user is generally the proper solution
[07:10] <Lathiat2> calc: shows up in computer then as well
[07:11] <drspin> broodster: ifconfig
[07:11] <[dksuiko] > lathiat2: when I mount it, a window opens up showing the folder. all of the root directories are shown, but the type/date modified/octal permissions and all that say unknown
[07:11] <Lathiat2> [dksuiko] : as user?
[07:11] <buu> crimsun: "Not using mode 1600x1200_60.00" (hsync out of range
[07:11] <broodster> thanks
[07:11] <[dksuiko] > hmm.. i think, it just popped up. heh
[07:12] <[dksuiko] > i mounted it with "Root Terminal"
[07:12] <[dksuiko] > maybe i should try mounting with just the normal terminal
[07:12] <[dksuiko] > if thatll help any
[07:12] <Lathiat2> [dksuiko] : make a line in /etc/fstab
[07:12] <Lathiat2> [dksuiko] : /dev/xxx /mnt/blah vfat user 0 0
[07:12] <Lathiat2> [dksuiko] : save that, then open computer, it'l be in there
[07:13] <Lathiat2> [dksuiko] : and make sure you unmount the one thats open first
[07:13] <[dksuiko] > k
[07:13] <buu> Ok. Honestly people. Why the fuck does the open file dialog not have a location bar of some sort that you can actually type in? What is this point and click crap
[07:14] <[dksuiko] > k, its in
[07:14] <calc> buu: they want it to be a mac clone
[07:14] <crimsun> buu: ctrl+l
[07:14] <calc> though i've heard rumors 2.10 might get it
[07:14] <crimsun> buu: then type.
[07:14] <[dksuiko] > mount it with "mount /dev/hda5"?
[07:14] <[dksuiko] > wow
[07:14] <buu> crimsun: I love you.
[07:14] <[dksuiko] > it works
[07:14] <[dksuiko] > thanks a lot man
[07:15] <Quenyar> anyone here have experience in configuring ubuntu/debian as network gateway for LAN with DSL on eth0 and LAN on Eth1?
[07:15] <crimsun> Quenyar: plenty.
[07:15] <crimsun> Quenyar: what do you need?
[07:15] <buu> crimsun: pastebin.com/134372
[07:16] <Quenyar> crimsun: when installing, does it automatically detect both ethernet cards and thus install masquerading etc?
[07:16] <crimsun> buu: welp, X isn't lying
[07:16] <crimsun> buu: you just can't use that mode
[07:16] <buu> crimsun: Something is wrong with nvidia or x =/
[07:17] <buu> crimsun: Well, with ubuntu really.
[07:17] <drspin> HAPPY BIRTHDAY CALC!!!
[07:18] <calc> drspin: thanks :)
[07:18] <crimsun> buu: you mean there's something wrong with your conffile
[07:18] <drspin> heh np ;)
[07:18] <crimsun> woo, KDE defector's birthday!
[07:18] <drspin> brb
[07:18] <buu> crimsun: Well, theres something wrong someplace, because I was doing 16x12 on every other OS I ever put on this box.
[07:19] <crimsun> buu: there most certainly is. Look at your HorizSync line.
[07:19] <crimsun> buu: then look at your modeline.
[07:19] <buu> crimsun: Yes?
[07:19] <crimsun> buu: and then kick yourself in the teeth.
[07:19] <Quenyar> crimsun: I'm uncomfortable with configuring iptables by hand and am less than a confident master of the routing commands
[07:20] <crimsun> buu: obviously your modeline's requested hysnc of 74.52 kHz is greater than the >>> 49 <<< max
[07:20] <buu> yeah.
[07:20] <crimsun> so...who inserted the 28-49?
[07:21] <buu> ubuntu
[07:21] <crimsun> file a bug if necessary
[07:21] <calc> my 16x12 is running at 106khz
[07:21] <crimsun> my 1920x1440 is running at -1 kHz!
[07:21] <calc> 49 sounds really low
[07:21] <buu> Yeah.
[07:21] <Quenyar> sounds painfully slow
[07:22] <calc> crimsun: backwards in time?
[07:22] <broodster> is php supported by amd64?
[07:22] <crimsun> Quenyar: there are a variety of iptables tools you can use: there are 'firestarter', 'shorewall', etc.
[07:22] <crimsun> broodster: it's $ARCH-independent
[07:22] <calc> broodster: i see a lot of php packages available on my amd64 arch
[07:22] <buu> crimsun: It is?
[07:23] <crimsun> buu: it is what?
[07:23] <buu> PHP is architecture independent
[07:23] <calc> php is arch: all
[07:23] <buu> interesting
[07:23] <calc> which means indep
[07:23] <buu> ok 49 is ridiculous
[07:23] <buu> I finally got it to go to 16x12 though!
[07:23] <calc> buu: perhaps your nvidia driver lied to the installer
[07:24] <buu> Whats a decent refresh rate?
[07:24] <calc> 85Hz
[07:24] <crimsun> >72 Hz
[07:24] <drspin> ok I'm in a root terminal
[07:24] <drspin> Crimsun: it wouldn't let me remove the file
[07:24] <calc> my poor monitor doesn't do over 85Hz, crimsun's probably does
[07:25] <buu> And we're back to 1024 =/
[07:25] <calc> buu: xfree automatically sets it to the highest available
[07:25] <Quenyar> firestarter looks nice and easy
[07:25] <crimsun> calc: only for <= 1600x1200 :/
[07:25] <calc> at least wrt built in modelines
[07:25] <calc> crimsun: ah
[07:25] <drspin> crimsun
[07:25] <LinuxNIT> can anyone tell me how to get the icons on the descktop smaller. i used the stretch function but they are still like a inch wide. they started out huge
[07:25] <crimsun> drspin: sorry, what file?
[07:25] <drspin> Crimsun: rm: cannot remove `/var/lib/alsa/asound.state': Permission denied
[07:25] <calc> buu: assuming you set the v/h ranges properly it will set it to the best rate by default
[07:25] <broodster> Hmmm, i think somethings wrong iwth my php installation
[07:26] <broodster> everytime i look at testphp.php
[07:26] <drspin> wait...
[07:26] <broodster> it makes me download it
[07:26] <crimsun> drspin: you need root permissions.
[07:26] <drspin> I see the problem hang on
[07:26] <buu> calc: I'm not sure I set it properly.
[07:26] <crimsun> drspin: so use sudo
[07:26] <calc> buu: oh
[07:26] <buu> calc: What's a decent HorizSync?
[07:26] <calc> i can tell you what my ranges are, not sure if yours will be the same
[07:26] <buu> Well
[07:26] <buu> Hopefully I won't blow anything up
[07:27] <calc> actually i don't have set it in xorg.conf at all it detects it at run time
[07:27] <calc> but they are:
[07:27] <broodster> hmm
[07:27] <calc> V 50-160 H 30-121
[07:27] <buu> hrm
[07:27] <broodster> maybe it's cuz the chmod of testphp.php is 644
[07:27] <broodster> could that be the issue?
[07:27] <buu> broodster: It's probably because jesus hates php ^^
[07:27] <calc> buu: hit ctrl-alt-backspace if it doesn't sync
[07:28] <broodster> =p
[07:28] <drspin> crimsun: yes still no sound...
[07:28] <buu> calc: Yeah yeah
[07:28] <broodster> php is revolution =P
[07:28] <crimsun> drspin: does sound work for other apps?
[07:28] <drspin> crimsun: yes
[07:28] <calc> i think only the old fixed frequency monitors can actually get damaged though, anything made in the past 10-15yrs should be ok
[07:28] <drspin> crimsun: all that I have tried
[07:28] <buu> broodster: haha. PHP is de-evolution
[07:29] <buu> calc: Yeah, thats what I'm hoping too =] 
[07:29] <broodster> okay well
[07:29] <buu> hRm.
[07:29] <broodster> doesnt change the fact that i wanna get it to work
[07:29] <calc> i remember fighting with my 15" monitor in 1995 and never fried it :)
[07:29] <crimsun> drspin: can you `strace -o foo.txt -f -F quake3'?
[07:29] <buu> I'm getting a bit of a flicker
[07:29] <Quenyar> crimsun:  thanks
[07:29] <calc> since then i let it autodetect or type in the numbers out of the monitor book
[07:29] <buu> 106.7 khz / 85 hz
[07:30] <calc> buu: yep that is what i have
[07:30] <buu> hrm
[07:30] <rituraj> i am getting error Xlib: extension GLX missing on display 0:0 cannot open blender window
[07:30] <rituraj> i am using debian
[07:30] <buu> Do you notice a flicker, particurarly on the default X background?
[07:30] <crimsun> rituraj: ...Debian?
[07:30] <buu> crimsun: Btw, thanks for all the help getting it to work.
[07:30] <rituraj> yep
[07:30] <crimsun> rituraj: why ask in here? :)
[07:30] <calc> buu: the ubuntu background or the grey x background?
[07:30] <rituraj> hmmmm
[07:30] <drspin> crimsun, OK now what?
[07:30] <buu> calc: The grey x one.
[07:30] <rituraj> sorry
[07:30] <calc> dunno haven't seen it in a long time
[07:30] <rituraj> wrong room
[07:30] <buu> heh
[07:30] <calc> may just be moire though
[07:31] <crimsun> rituraj: are you using XFree86 or X.Org?
[07:31] <odyssey> hello ubuntu
[07:31] <crimsun> hi
[07:31] <crimsun> drspin: bzip2 foo.txt
[07:31] <crimsun> drspin: then make it available on a web site for us to inspect
[07:31] <rituraj> actually i am using Ubuntu...
[07:31] <crimsun> rituraj: ...
[07:31] <buu> woah
[07:31] <rituraj> i am talking in blender room too
[07:31] <calc> my monitor in gnome doesn't flicker but it may have higher specs
[07:31] <buu> My monitor *told* me it was "out of scan range"
[07:31] <buu> cool.
[07:31] <drspin> crimsun: no webspace ATM
[07:31] <rituraj> i clicked wrong window
[07:32] <buu> ish
[07:32] <rituraj> sorry
[07:32] <phyberoptix> drspin
[07:32] <phyberoptix> sup
[07:32] <odyssey> im new to .deb system and i wish to remove firefox without removing ubuntu-desktop how do i achieve this. I wish to do this because i have installed firefox 1.0
[07:32] <calc> buu: that means you can probably change the numbers until you find the limit
[07:32] <drspin> phyberoptix, what up
[07:32] <phyberoptix> chilln
[07:32] <buu> calc: Yep =] 
[07:32] <drspin> word
[07:32] <crimsun> rituraj: are you or are you not using Ubuntu? If you are, which release?
[07:32] <drspin> any luck with cedega?
[07:32] <buu> crimsun: I don't think he is =] 
[07:33] <crimsun> drspin: then paste the uncompressed foo.txt to pastebin.com
[07:33] <buu> odyssey: try: apt-get remove firefox
[07:33] <rituraj> crimson: i AM using ubuntu warty under vmware
[07:34] <crimsun> rituraj: did you follow the BinaryDriverHowto?
[07:34] <rituraj> i said debian becuase i feel ubuntu IS debian
[07:34] <rituraj> no
[07:34] <crimsun> Ubuntu is sourced in Debian, but Ubuntu is most definitely NOT Debian
[07:34] <rituraj> maybe ...but i feel its the same
[07:35] <calc> is ubuntu gentoo?
[07:35] <rituraj> technically
[07:35] <odyssey> buu:But then i get "The following packages will be REMOVED:
[07:35] <odyssey>   mozilla-firefox ubuntu-desktop"
[07:35] <gen> calc, stop smoking crack
[07:35] <crimsun> calc: you bet.
[07:35] <phyberoptix> erm
[07:35] <drspin> crimsun: I just had a thought - lemme check it out
[07:35] <phyberoptix> drspin there is a folder on the ftp server with your name on it i added 12more
[07:35] <odyssey> does ubuntu-desktop matter?
[07:36] <buu> Who knows! Remove it and find out!
[07:36] <odyssey> shit does anybody know anything in here...
[07:36] <spikeb> odyssey, it doesn't appear to.
[07:36] <crimsun> odyssey: it's a 'safe' package that's removed when one installs non-supported packages
[07:36] <crimsun> odyssey: it's safe to remove.
[07:36] <spikeb> odyssey, i've removed that package many times with no harmful effects yet.
[07:37] <buu> Ahh. Flux at 16x12
[07:37] <odyssey> cool thanks spikeb crimsun.
[07:37] <buu> Happiness.
[07:37] <crimsun> odyssey: np
[07:37] <Quenyar> anyone a samba expert?
[07:37] <Quenyar> how about a simple command that will show me the status of services?
[07:38] <phyberoptix> drspin ?
[07:38] <broodster> how come azureus doesnt do anything
[07:38] <broodster> it just freezes on the load screen
[07:38] <crimsun> broodster: did you install a jre as mentioned on the RestrictedFormats page?
[07:39] <siimo> is hoary currently broken? it fails while install python2.4/debconf
[07:39] <gen> isn't hoary always broken? :)
[07:39] <spikeb> it was working last week, besides some python stuff
[07:39] <calc> hoary works fine for me
[07:39] <spikeb> heh
[07:39] <broodster> yes
[07:39] <crimsun> let me dist-upgrade, sec.
[07:39] <nicedreams> when i 'xinit -- :1' i don't get a console window or anything to type in.  Just a backgroud.  How do i fix this?
[07:40] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: where are you using xinit?
[07:40] <siimo> how do i install if that python stuff just exits the installer
[07:40] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: why arent you just logging into gdm?
[07:40] <siimo> isnt debconf a must have package
[07:40] <broodster> broodster@broodster:/etc $  java -version
[07:40] <broodster> java version "1.5.0_01"
[07:40] <broodster> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_01-b08)
[07:40] <broodster> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 1.5.0_01-b08, mixed mode)
[07:40] <broodster> broodster@broodster:/etc $
[07:40] <nicedreams> to test stuff out in a second desktop and run games in it
[07:40] <crimsun> siimo: seems to work fine here.
[07:40] <crimsun> broodster: PLEASE use pastebin.com for pastes.
[07:40] <Lathiat2> broodster: please dont flood more than a couple lines, see the pastbin
[07:40] <siimo> crimsun, well its broken here
[07:40] <gen> broodster, did you point the azureus config file to java
[07:40] <siimo> as of 1 min ago
[07:41] <broodster> hmm
[07:41] <spikeb> there were only  four lines there
[07:41] <zenrox> still that quilfies as a flood
[07:41] <nicedreams> when i 'xinit -- :1' i don't get a console window or anything to type in.  Just a backgroud.  How do i fix this?
[07:41] <gen> zenrox, yeah thanks for the info, we weren't quite sure
[07:41] <spikeb> yeah one less line and you'd still be bitching, but have no grounds eh?
[07:41] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: i repeat, why are you using xinit?
[07:42] <zenrox> gen,  n/p
[07:42] <zenrox> hehehe
[07:42] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: why are you not logging into gdm, or at least using startx?
[07:42] <drspin> phyber - thanks --- sorry working on getting my sound working for Q3A
[07:42] <nicedreams> i am using gdm
[07:42] <nicedreams> i want a second desktop
[07:42] <nicedreams> for other apps
[07:42] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: tried the virtual desktops?
[07:42] <nicedreams> like games or if i want to try another desktop
[07:42] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: otherwise, you want to start -- :1
[07:42] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: not xinit
[07:42] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: but gnome breaks if your logged in twice (i think)
[07:42] <nicedreams> i just want X with a terminal
[07:42] <siimo> crimsun, did you distupgrade or clean install
[07:43] <nicedreams> it doesn't show the terminal like normal
[07:43] <Gaaruto> hi
[07:43] <crimsun> siimo: dist-upgraded
[07:43] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: its not normal for xinit to display a terminal
[07:43] <nicedreams> oh
[07:43] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: xinit is what it says, intializes X
[07:43] <crimsun> siimo: keep in mind that I already had Hoary running
[07:43] <nicedreams> how can i get it to do that so i can launch quake3 in it
[07:43] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: you'ld have to make a .xsession that starts a terminal
[07:43] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: but then your normal session will get overrun by that
[07:43] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: could just do startx -- :1 & and then DISPLAY=:1 xterm
[07:43] <siimo> crimsun, i tried a clean install but it failed while installing python2.4
[07:44] <nicedreams> Lathiat2: how can i start 'quake3' in a second virtual desktop then
[07:44] <drspin> crimsun: s it possible that GNOME is locking /dev/dsp access?
[07:44] <siimo> using archive.ubuntulinux.com
[07:44] <siimo> latest
[07:44] <siimo> net install
[07:44] <Gaaruto> i dont remember how to config xorg to 1024*768, someone to help me please ?
[07:44] <siimo> ill try going from watry to hoary now if that will work
[07:44] <nicedreams> xorgconfigure
[07:45] <broodster> man
[07:46] <broodster> how come my real player doesnt load?
[07:46] <spikeb> hmm
[07:46] <spikeb> mine does
[07:46] <spikeb> heh
[07:46] <broodster> do i have a broken installation or something
[07:46] <broodster> nothing seems to work
[07:46] <crimsun> drspin: lsof /dev/dsp*
[07:46] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: well you cant really switch back and forward from quake3
[07:46] <crimsun> drspin: lsof /dev/snd/*
[07:46] <nicedreams> broodster: probably do then...  it's happened to me before
[07:46] <nicedreams> i do to change volume
[07:47] <broodster> realplayer doesnt work
[07:47] <broodster> php doesnt work
[07:47] <nicedreams> i use ctrl+alt+f1
[07:47] <nicedreams> and alsamixer
[07:47] <broodster> none of my java apps seem to work
[07:47] <phyberoptix> can someone do me a favor?
[07:47] <nicedreams> Lathiat2: i have fluxbox running in it now
[07:47] <nicedreams> that will do i guess
[07:47] <phyberoptix> goto http://phynet.sytes.net:82
[07:47] <drspin> crimsun: nothing for /dev/DSP
[07:48] <drspin> crimsun: for /dev/snd/* you can see the results in #flood
[07:48] <nicedreams> how do i find out how much ram a program is taking?  like i want to see how much ram fluxbox is using.
[07:49] <crimsun> drspin: those are just for the mixer, which is normal and does not affect quake3.
[07:49] <nicedreams> drspin?
[07:49] <nicedreams> alsamixer works fine for me
[07:50] <stuNNed> damn, anyone running gnomad2 on ubuntu unstable?
[07:50] <broodster> yah i didnt insstall my java properly
[07:50] <broodster> grgrgrgrgrgrgr
[07:50] <broodster> lol
[07:50] <broodster> might as well format
[07:51] <crimsun> huh?
[07:51] <crimsun> why would you format over a java issue?
[07:51] <stuNNed> yeah
[07:52] <spikeb> phyberoptix, it timed out for you
[07:52] <phyberoptix> =\
[07:52] <phyberoptix> i was trying to get my webserver on the nix box up
[07:52] <spikeb> \er
[07:52] <spikeb> timed out for ME
[07:52] <phyberoptix> i got my main one up for www.phyberoptix.com
[07:52] <nicedreams> Lathiat2: I switch back and forth from Quake3 and other programs and games with no problem at all
[07:52] <phyberoptix> but its on my winbox
[07:53] <nicedreams> Lathiat2: I just want to switch back to the GUI sometimes to message someone in the middle of a game
[07:53] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: k
[07:53] <nicedreams> Lathiat2: LIke doing ctrl+esc in windows
[07:53] <Lathiat2> nicedreams: cept with quake3 on windows it makes your gamma all fscked when you do that :p
[07:54] <neighborlee> hi peeps....how do I burn from command line ? ( dev=/dev/blah isn't working)
[07:54] <nicedreams> yea
[07:54] <nicedreams> lol
[07:54] <Lathiat2> neighborlee: cdrecord -dev ATAPI:0,0,0 <iso>
[07:54] <phyberoptix> nyte
[07:54] <crimsun> neighborlee: sudo cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdfoo ...
[07:54] <Lathiat2> neighborlee: why not just use cd burner in nautilus, easier?
[07:54] <neighborlee> Lathiat2, I just was curious is all..thx
[07:54] <Lathiat2> neighborlee: ah cool
[07:54] <neighborlee> Lathiat2, but yeah I use nautilus
[07:55] <Lathiat2> crimsuns solution works too i assume
[07:55] <Lathiat2> also if you have more than one cdrom, might need to be 0,1,0 or something (-scanbus) -- or just use what crimsun said :)
[07:55] <crimsun> if it's an ATAPI drive, the /dev syntax is easier
[07:56] <JayeAeotiv> I can't access any partitions on my other hd.  I dont' know what to mount.
[07:56] <stuNNed> is usb support broken in any way in unstable?
[07:56] <crimsun> stuNNed: any more broken than normal? no.
[07:56] <JayeAeotiv> Hi cloudchaser, how are you?
[07:56] <drspin> crimsun: when I start Quake 3... as root or user... I get this... ------- sound initialization -------
[07:56] <drspin> /dev/dsp: No such device
[07:56] <drspin> Could not open /dev/dsp
[07:56] <drspin> ------------------------------------
[07:56] <drspin> eeek - sorry about that :/
[07:57] <crimsun> drspin: sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[07:57] <drspin> it's loaded ;)
[07:57] <crimsun> drspin: ls -l /dev/dsp
[07:57] <drspin> crw-rw----    1 root     audio     14,   3 2004-12-28 17:31 /dev/dsp
[07:57] <stuNNed> crimsun, can't get my usb mp3 player to fire up with gnomad2, it just hangs, and latest isn't in SID yet, which i need as it's a new player
[07:57] <crimsun> drspin: as your normal user, execute `groups'
[07:58] <drspin> cole adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[07:58] <Cloudchaser> heya jaye..everyone
[07:59] <crimsun> drspin: did you ever paste that strace output onto pastebin.com?
[07:59] <drspin> I forgot... what is the command?
[07:59] <crimsun> strace -o foo.txt -fF quake3
[08:00] <stuNNed> crimsun, what is the command to make a dep out of a source package?  'make dist' ?
[08:00] <stuNNed> crimsun, dep/deb
[08:00] <jeff2> does Ubuntu support mice in the text-mode console?
[08:01] <crimsun> jeff2: if you have 'universe' repo enabled, install the 'gpm' package.
[08:01] <crimsun> stuNNed: no, it's more complicated than that for some packages.
[08:01] <crimsun> stuNNed: for what application are you attempting this?
[08:02] <stuNNed> crimsun, libnjb
[08:02] <jeff2> crimsun: thanks
[08:02] <stuNNed> crimsun, there is 'debian' subdir
[08:02] <drspin> my com pis crawling - I think fireFTP has a memory leak
[08:02] <drspin> *comp is
[08:02] <siimo> anyone know if statically compiled binaries on a glibc 2.3.4 gcc 3.4.3 system work on a system with glibc 2.3.2 (ubuntu) ?
[08:03] <crimsun> siimo: yes.
[08:03] <crimsun> though I can think of exceptions
[08:03] <drspin> crimsun: ok - it's on pastebin
[08:03] <drspin> well... almost
[08:03] <drspin> :/
[08:04] <drspin> crimsun: no it's not... server error - my paste is too long... h an gon
[08:04] <Gaaruto> hi
[08:05] <crimsun> 'lo
[08:05] <Gaaruto> i cant change xorg, it blocked at 640
[08:05] <Gaaruto> xorgcfg dont work
[08:06] <Gaaruto> i can get 1024
[08:06] <Gaaruto> and i dont remember how to resolv this pb
[08:06] <Gaaruto> :(
[08:07] <Gaaruto> someone here has tell me how to this
[08:07] <crimsun> what graphics chipset?
[08:07] <Gaaruto> someone to help me please ?
[08:07] <Gaaruto> nvidia
[08:08] <Gaaruto> i am under hoary
[08:11] <drspin> Crimsun: http://channels.debian.net/paste/131
[08:11] <drspin> Crimsun - the results of my strace on quake 3
[08:11] <Lathiat2> drspin: whats the problem/
[08:12] <Lathiat2> drspin: sound doesnt play or it freezes at start?
[08:12] <drspin> Lathiat: when quake loads it says it can't access /dev/dsp -- permissions are right and nthing except the mixers are using the audio channels
[08:13] <spikeb> happy birthday to me
[08:13] <drspin> Lathiat2: Oh the game runs fine - just no sound...
[08:13] <Gaaruto> happy birthday spikeb :)
[08:13] <spikeb> t6hanks :)
[08:13] <drspin> Lathiat2: /dev/dsp is chmod 0660
[08:14] <crimsun> drspin: how much RAM is in this box?
[08:14] <drspin> crimsun: 512M
[08:15] <Gaaruto> reboot
[08:15] <warty> cna someone tell me howto play a dvd with totem? I keep gettign an error about plugins
[08:16] <Delta-t> use xine-ui
[08:18] <calc> warty: install totem-xine then libdvdcss
[08:18] <calc> warty: see restricted formats entry on the wiki
[08:18] <warty> ok
[08:18] <warty> using the package manager?
[08:18] <calc> yea
[08:18] <crimsun> drspin: what model sblive?
[08:18] <warty> hum don't see it there
[08:19] <calc> warty: you have to enable universe to get totem-xine
[08:19] <drspin> SB Live! Digital (OEM in my dell)
[08:19] <warty> ahh
[08:19] <calc> warty: and you have to read the wiki to get the libdvdcss package
[08:19] <drspin> it worked fine in my Gentoo and SuSE installs...
[08:19] <Delta-t> tried that, didn't work for me. went to xine-ui and all is well
[08:19] <crimsun> drspin: aren't you using snd-emu10k1x?
[08:19] <drspin> on this same box
[08:19] <calc> Delta-t: works great on the several boxes i installed here
[08:19] <drspin> crimsum: I'm using whatever the kernel detected...
[08:19] <Delta-t> ymmv
[08:20] <drspin> which I assume is just snd-emu10k1
[08:20] <calc> Delta-t: what did it do when it failed?
[08:20] <crimsun> drspin: lsmod |grep ^snd_emu10k1
[08:20] <Delta-t> never started a DVD, kept asking for a file to start with
[08:20] <Delta-t> xine just got it right
[08:20] <calc> Delta-t: when you clicked play disc?
[08:20] <drspin> snd_emu10k1            80776  5
[08:21] <Delta-t> I've used xine on gentoo as well and like it
[08:21] <crimsun> drspin: interesting. This is in a Dell?
[08:21] <Delta-t> yup
[08:21] <drspin> crimsun: yes
[08:21] <calc> totem uses xine so it is odd that totem-xine didn't work
[08:21] <crimsun> drspin: log out of gnome, modprobe -r snd_emu10k1 && modprobe snd-emu10k1x
[08:21] <Gaaruto> good, it work for me
[08:21] <drspin> K brb
[08:22] <Delta-t> didn't have time to troubleshoot
[08:22] <Delta-t> xine-ui worked so I'm sticking with it
[08:24] <drspin> Crimsun: FATAL: Module snd_emu10k1x not found
[08:24] <warty> I cannot get to the archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu repository is there another one?
[08:24] <crimsun> drspin: you need a newer version of ALSA.
[08:24] <drspin> crimsun: I'm using what came with ubuntu --
[08:24] <crimsun> drspin: do you have 'universe' repo enabled?
[08:24] <drspin> yes
[08:24] <crimsun> drspin: install 'alsa-source'
[08:25] <drspin> what's the command for synaptic?
[08:25] <crimsun> drspin: then read the instructions in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian
[08:25] <drspin> or should I return to my normal session for this?
[08:26] <drspin> or I'll just use "apt-get install alsa-source"
[08:27] <Delta-t> later
[08:31] <drspin> Crimsun: what was that doc?
[08:31] <crimsun> /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian
[08:31] <crimsun> I personally recommend the ./debian/rules binary_modules .... method
[08:32] <drspin> thanks
[08:32] <crimsun> np
[08:32] <crimsun> off work, bbl.
[08:33] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, hi there cloud howz it going
[08:34] <Cloudchaser> hiya neighborlee
[08:34] <neighborlee> :)
[08:34] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, how is ubuntu going for you
[08:34] <Cloudchaser> its going pretty good so far..few little wrinkles
[08:34] <neighborlee> exellent..hope nothing major
[08:42] <Cloudchaser> i think my cordless mouse batteries are dead again and i have no spares ;(
[08:42] <Cloudchaser> had t plug in a regular mouse but the scrollie wheel isn't working
[08:47] <Cloudchaser> there's no way to tweak mouse settings in ubuntu?
[08:51] <maps73> hy
[08:52] <housetier> Cloudchaser tweak in which way?
[08:52] <Cloudchaser> well my scroll wheel isn't working
[08:53] <maps73> hy housetier, are you reading me? thanks
[08:53] <Cloudchaser> thought i'd see if ther was some sort of setting for it
[08:53] <Cloudchaser> or say i wanted it faster or slower
[08:53] <housetier> Cloudchaser there is (should be) when you run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-free86"
[08:53] <housetier> -xfree86
[08:54] <Cloudchaser> that will have mouse stuff in there?
[08:54] <housetier> maps73 you are on irc, chances are somebody will "hear" you
[08:55] <housetier> Cloudchaser that should ask about scrollwheel stuff
[08:55] <Cloudchaser> ah ok..on my cordless mouse it "just worked"
[08:55] <housetier> Cloudchaser acceleration and so can be set in the desktop settings
[08:55] <maps73> housetier, thank you
[08:55] <Cloudchaser> oh duh
[08:55] <Cloudchaser> mouse is in there too housetier
[08:56] <Cloudchaser> i was looking in the wrong spot ;)
[08:56] <Cloudchaser> thanks ;)
[08:56] <gorth> Where can i define which application firefox should use as an external player? Currently totem is used, but I want to use mplayer instead
[08:57] <Cloudchaser> no scrollie wheell
[08:57] <housetier> gorth I think firefox has a setting for it
[08:57] <Cloudchaser> i'll leave it for now..i'll get batteries tomorrow for my wireless mouse ;)
[08:57] <housetier> gorth edit -> preferences -> downloads
[08:58] <maps73> Cloudchaser, try to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[08:58] <Cloudchaser> last time i tried that i messed up my video ;)
[08:59] <housetier> Cloudchaser you mean you werent asked about scroll wheel events or something similar?
[08:59] <Cloudchaser> yes i was
[09:00] <gorth> housetier,  thanks, i'll try it..
[09:00] <Cloudchaser> i'm looking in that file now, don't see anything about scrollwheel
[09:01] <Lathiat> Cloudchaser: its be something like ZAxis i forget exactly
[09:01] <Cloudchaser> ah it says  "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
[09:01] <spikeb> Option "ZAxismapping" "4 5"
[09:01] <Cloudchaser> so its ok already..hmmm
[09:03] <drspin> wget
[09:03] <drspin> LOL
[09:03] <drspin> oops
[09:03] <spikeb> hio
[09:03] <gorth> housetier,  it seems like i can't add an extension to that list..hmm..
[09:03] <spikeb> heh
[09:03] <Cloudchaser> well i guess i have to get ready for work..i'll fuss with it later after work/sleep
[09:04] <kleedrac> Anyone know why my Ubuntu system shuts down to Alt+z?
[09:04] <housetier> gorth you can change an action, for unknown filetype firefox will ask you what to do with them
[09:04] <drspin> what is the best way to reinstall alsa?
[09:06] <drspin> ??
[09:07] <gorth> housetier,  hmm ok. The problem is that it automatically opens totem without asking and totem isnt displayed in the list in (Downloads)
[09:08] <ChumaM> Heya.
[09:09] <kleedrac> Does anyone else's system shut down/sleep to alt+z?
[09:10] <Lathiat> err no
[09:10] <Lathiat> did you set a shortcut in shortcuts accidentally?
[09:10] <ChumaM> What was the command to running Ubuntu's setup? The configuration thingie that runs after installation.
[09:11] <kleedrac> Not that I remember ... where would I check that shortcut Lathiat?
[09:15] <ChumaM> Mh. I was thinking that it'd be the easiest way to configure X after changing a graphics card.
[09:24] <Emanuelez> hello * :)
[09:25] <abelli> buongiorno a tu le monde
[09:25] <Emanuelez> abelli: italian or french LOL
[09:25] <LinuxNIT> can i use a different list of sources for apt than the one provided with ubuntu
[09:26] <Emanuelez> abelli: italian ;)
[09:26] <Gaaruto> bonjourno a toi abelli :)
[09:26] <crimsun> LinuxNIT: sure, but it's not recommended. You could royally screw your system.
[09:26] <LinuxNIT> ok
[09:26] <LinuxNIT> thanks
[09:26] <Emanuelez> LinuxNIT: well... the ones u can find in ubuntuguide.org i guess
[09:27] <LinuxNIT> how come i can use my user password to login to things like synaptic manager?
[09:27] <crimsun> LinuxNIT: that's what `sudo' allows you to do.
[09:27] <Prasatko> hello. I have upgraded from debian kernel 2.2 to ubuntu 2.6.9-1-386, but now my mouse does not work in Xfree86. i tried to change XF86Config. but without any suucess (i tried /dev/mouse  /dev/input/mice /dev/mouse0 and so on) I have one ps2 mouse and one serial connected to com1. does anyone know what to do?
[09:28] <LinuxNIT> i am ue to using straight debian whre the user and su are completely separate. i put ubuntu on my dads laptop
[09:28] <crimsun> Prasatko: search the debian-x mailing list archive for the psaux input option for 2.6 kernels.
[09:29] <crimsun> LinuxNIT: Ubuntu adopts the much saner use of sudo(8) by default.
[09:29] <LinuxNIT> so is ubuntu just as secure from things like viruses, trojans etc as
[09:29] <rituraj> i have problem with windows drive mounting in Uuntu
[09:29] <spikeb> i really shouldnt be reading trotsky if i want to go to bed
[09:29] <crimsun> LinuxNIT: it's more secure by default than Debian Woody or Sarge or Sid.
[09:30] <rituraj> the drives get mounted but i cannot access the dirs in it
[09:30] <LinuxNIT> ok
[09:30] <crimsun> rituraj: look at the umask mount option for vfat
[09:30] <crimsun> rituraj: more than likely you need -o umask=000
[09:30] <rituraj> oh ok
[09:31] <rituraj> thanks
[09:31] <rituraj> will try at home
[09:31] <LinuxNIT> i've got a fstab question. i have a vfat partition that is mounting automatically but it mounts as root can i get it to mount so the user can accsess it?
[09:32] <crimsun> LinuxNIT: see what I just typed to rituraj.
[09:33] <Mestapheles> anyone install onto a 800mhz iMac?
[09:33] <LinuxNIT> ok i see it but it dosent make sense to me ( i am still very new to linux)
[09:34] <Lathiat> LinuxNIT: is it a removable device
[09:34] <Lathiat> LinuxNIT: or a device in yoru computer
[09:34] <LinuxNIT> its a partition on hda
[09:34] <LinuxNIT> it is hda1
[09:35] <LinuxNIT> or should i say /dev/hda1
[09:35] <Lathiat> LinuxNIT: become root, edit the /etc/fstab file
[09:35] <Lathiat> LinuxNIT: (nano -w /etc/fstab)
[09:35] <Lathiat> LinuxNIT: look for the line starting /dev/hda1, theres a list of options (probably says defaults right now)
[09:35] <Lathiat> put ,user after the defaults bit (no space)
[09:35] <LinuxNIT> ok i have the fstab open
[09:36] <LinuxNIT> it dosent say default cause i am the one who put the line there
[09:36] <Lathiat> ah ok
[09:36] <Lathiat> whats it say atm?
[09:36] <LinuxNIT> /dev/hda1       /C:             vfat   rw,user,auto  0       0
[09:36] <Lathiat> ah take the auto off
[09:36] <Lathiat> then umount /C: in the shell
[09:36] <Lathiat> then go into computer and double click it
[09:36] <Lathiat> it mounts it as your user, and will work fine then
[09:37] <LinuxNIT> ah i see
[09:37] <LinuxNIT> thanks man
[09:37] <Lathiat> if you mount it as root, then root 'owns' it
[09:37] <Lathiat> and when you logout/login again
[09:37] <Lathiat> first time you access that it'l mount it
[09:38] <LinuxNIT> so can it get mounted automatically for the user or not
[09:38] <Lathiat> dont even have to do it from computer, if you open it in any proper GNOME app with the file selecter and just select the option in the left hand list of places
[09:38] <Lathiat> LinuxNIT: well you could add a startup command to mount /C:
[09:38] <Lathiat> you can also take out user and put ,uid=1000,auto
[09:38] <Lathiat> and it'l automount to your user
[09:38] <LinuxNIT> thats what i'll do
[09:38] <Lathiat> but it wont show up in the file selector...
[09:39] <Lathiat> well actually if you put user,uid=1000,rw - it might.
[09:39] <LinuxNIT> trying to make it as simple for my dad
[09:40] <Lathiat> well if he just double clicks on it in computer, it mounts it automagically anyway
[09:40] <Lathiat> or in any application wit a gnome file selector
[09:40] <Lathiat> which is most of them now
[09:40] <Lathiat> that you'll probabky use
[09:40] <LinuxNIT> ok well now i know my options so i can fiddle with it
[09:40] <LinuxNIT> i really appreciate it
[09:40] <Lathiat> no problems
[09:40] <Lathiat> anytime for someone who appreciates it :)
[09:41] <LinuxNIT> like this for the user,uid=1000,rw?
[09:41] <LinuxNIT> /dev/hda1       /C:             vfat   user,uid=1000,rw 0       0
[09:42] <Lathiat> should do the trick
[09:42] <LinuxNIT> cool
[09:43] <LinuxNIT> can you tell me where you can add programs to the applicatinos menu?
[09:43] <spikeb> LinuxNIT, you can do it via a right click - go to the submenu you want and right click
[09:43] <spikeb> there's an entry
[09:44] <LinuxNIT> ok cool so simple you'd think i would have figured it out
[09:44] <LinuxNIT> i guess i am just slow sometimes
[09:45] <spikeb> lol
[09:45] <spikeb> LinuxNIT, well, it's not obvious at first glance
[09:45] <spikeb> not like the right click menu is there all the time
[09:45] <LinuxNIT> true
[09:45] <spikeb> :)
[09:45] <LinuxNIT> is there a command that tells the menu to update itself
[09:46] <spikeb> it should do it automatically
[09:46] <LinuxNIT> ok
[09:46] <Lathiat> it should, it doesnt seem to on warty sometimes, might have to logout/login
[09:46] <spikeb> i usually wait a couple seconds
[09:46] <spikeb> then it does
[09:47] <LinuxNIT> does it not add all pragrams that you install to the menu?
[09:47] <spikeb> it adds some of them (mostly gnome apps) but not many compiled or unsupported apps
[09:48] <LinuxNIT> well i used apt-get to install several and only one showed up
[09:48] <spikeb> stupid apps
[09:48] <spikeb> or stupid menu, whichever
[09:48] <spikeb> heh
[09:50] <LinuxNIT> ok
[09:50] <LinuxNIT> well i guess ill do it manually then
[09:50] <e-Jah> lu
[09:50] <spikeb> yeah, i hope more packages have entries in hoary.
[09:51] <LinuxNIT> another question about the menu
[09:52] <LinuxNIT> i can right click to ad a luancher in the bottom of the so called directories (for lack of knowing their true name) can i add a new so called directory
[09:52] <LinuxNIT> does that make sense?
[09:52] <Lathiat> no ;p
[09:53] <Lathiat> what do you mean directories
[09:53] <Lathiat> the panel?
[09:53] <spikeb> i know what you mean
[09:53] <spikeb> Lathiat, he wants to add submenus
[09:53] <LinuxNIT> yeah those
[09:53] <spikeb> LinuxNIT, im not sure, to be honest
[09:53] <Lathiat> so you want to create a new submenu in the menu?
[09:53] <LinuxNIT> exactly
[09:53] <Lathiat> ditto to spikeb then
[09:54] <LinuxNIT> ok well i thought id ask
[09:54] <spikeb> i think you might be able to, but i've no idea how
[10:06] <Emanuelez> is there a way to create an iso from a cd having a progress bar too? dd is cool but i wanted something more eyecandy (gnome stuff possibly :P )
[10:21] <LinuxNIT> dontknow if your interested but i found out how to add the submenus
[10:22] <LinuxNIT> its on here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[10:22] <Lathiat> ah cool
[10:30] <teuf> hi
[10:31] <crimsun> competenCe: don't try that.
[10:31] <competenCe> what are you talking about sir?
[10:31] <funky> crimsun: what is he trying ?
[10:31] <vinic_> hi! what do you use to unrar .rar files. unrar is not available in apt-get....
[10:31] <Lathiat> competenCe: heh dipshit this is a linux channel like thats gonna work
[10:31] <Emanuelez> is there a way to create an iso from a cd having a progress bar too? dd is cool but i wanted something more eyecandy (gnome stuff possibly :P )
[10:32] <crimsun> I just got a dcc send request from his client that looks eerily like a mirc exploit.
[10:32] <Lathiat> it is a mirc exploit
[10:32] <funky> crimsun: me too, but what means that ?
[10:32] <daniels> competenCe: please upgrade your version of mIRC.
[10:32] <competenCe> neg
[10:32] <competenCe> stfu bitches i know what im doing
[10:33] <competenCe> if you dont want a ddos to your line your home shush.
[10:33] <competenCe> been waiting for bitches to talk shit
[10:33] <Agrajag> ahahahah what
[10:33] <Lathiat> heh
[10:33] <Agrajag> more like incompetence
[10:33] <Lathiat> Agrajag: yar
[10:34] <fabbione> now it will start entering the chan with different nicks
[10:34] <daniels> yep.
[10:34] <Agrajag> possibly
[10:34] <fabbione> wanna bet?
[10:34] <Lathiat> fun
[10:34] <Lathiat> i'll put 3 million on that
[10:34] <daniels> fabbione: fo'sho.  stupid people have no life, news at 11.
[10:34] <fabbione> daniels: drive trough.. kthxbye
[10:34] <Agrajag> I like the fact that the moron is using a mirc exploit in a linux channel
[10:35] <Lathiat> Agrajag: yeh, like i said :)
[10:35] <Lathiat> 17:31 < Lathiat> competenCe: heh dipshit this is a linux channel like thats
[10:35] <Lathiat>           gonna work
[10:35] <Agrajag> oh
[10:35] <Agrajag> didn't see that
[10:35] <Lathiat> ;p
[10:35] <daniels> fabbione: funny you should say that -- i've just been playing gta san andreas, doing a drive-by (and a drive-through) mission
[10:35] <fabbione> daniels: ahaha
[10:35] <GoneBoB> daniels: haha! make sure you grab the dildo from the police station
[10:35] <Agrajag> what, kill the guy in the drive-through?
[10:35] <GoneBoB> and give it to your girlfriend
[10:36] <fabbione> daniels: i saw GTSA yesterday in the shops but it's way too expensive
[10:36] <GoneBoB> or use it to beat old ladies to death
[10:36] <GoneBoB> fabbione: I don't think so
[10:36] <Agrajag> man I can't wait for the windows version, I don't have a PS2
[10:36] <GoneBoB> it's got 50+ hours of playing minimum
[10:36] <daniels> GoneBoB: heh, haven't got to that yet.  just did the drive-by on the ballas where you go through the park, then respray your car for free.
[10:36] <GoneBoB> ah yep
[10:36] <hartbrkr> what are the hardware requirements for ubuntu (PC) ??
[10:37] <fabbione> GoneBoB: what do you mean, you don't think so?
[10:37] <e-Jah> is it possible to get the gnome configuration menu ?
[10:37] <GoneBoB> fabbione: that it's too expensive
[10:37] <GoneBoB> hartbrkr: depends, what do you want to do
[10:37] <fabbione> GoneBoB: well send me one than.. here in dk is expensive
[10:37] <GoneBoB> well it's $90AUD
[10:37] <fabbione> it's 550 DKK
[10:38] <daniels> GoneBoB: it's about 70 or something at kmart
[10:38] <daniels> fabbione: dude, that's way cheaper than here, I think
[10:38] <GoneBoB> daniels: yea but that's RRP
[10:38] <GoneBoB> ok, I'm out, got to work :(
[10:38] <hartbrkr> GoneBoB: just for internet, email, chat, word processing kinda stuff. I've got a Pentium 166/96MB RAM that I want to try it out on, would that be fast enough to do the simple tasks? Does it support lexmark usb scanners?
[10:38] <GoneBoB> catch
[10:38] <fabbione> daniels: that's like 75 Euros
[10:38] <daniels> hm, no, that's $129.
[10:38] <daniels> wow, expensive.
[10:38] <daniels> GoneBoB: have fun
[10:38] <daniels> hartbrkr: it won't always be the fastest but it should work.
[10:39] <hartbrkr> daniels: faster than windows 98 though?
[10:39] <daniels> hartbrkr: should be
[10:39] <hartbrkr> daniels: I'm trying to decide whether to put win98 or linux on the computer.
[10:39] <daniels> ubuntu should be fine for your needs
[10:40] <calc> win98 isn't supported anymore
[10:40] <calc> so stay away from it for network connected systems
[10:41] <hartbrkr> what about for general up-keep? the person who owns the computer isn't the most computer savvy person. it's just a standalone computer connected the internet. once I get everything set up for him, am I going to have to fix it for him all the time?
[10:42] <daniels> hartbrkr: well, things won't spontaneously break :)
[10:42] <hartbrkr> cause with windows he gets it so full of spyware and crap that I have to reinstall everything every couple months or so
[10:42] <Lathiat> hartbrkr: yeh well linux is generally not vulnerable to spyware, adware, etc, so it should keep chugging for quite a while
[10:42] <nevyn> hartbrkr: all systems require maintainence
[10:42] <Lathiat> in that respect
[10:42] <lifeless> daniels: so, composite is enable, what things use it ?
[10:42] <nevyn> Lathiat: it is however vunerable to worms and cracking.
[10:43] <Lathiat> nevyn: indeed
[10:43] <hartbrkr> and what about a P2P filesharing app? i've tried gtk-gnutella on my computer, but it doesn't seem to run as well as bearshare or anything else for windows
[10:43] <hartbrkr> nevyn: what kind of mainainence are you talking about? like can I schedule it to do automatic maintainence?
[10:44] <Emanuelez> is there a way to create an iso from a cd having a progress bar too? dd is cool but i wanted something more eyecandy (gnome stuff possibly :P )
[10:45] <nevyn> hartbrkr: you really should do it manually
[10:46] <daniels> lifeless: xcompmgr
[10:46] <daniels> lifeless: but your x will be slow and possibly a bit crashy
[10:46] <hartbrkr> nevyn: what kind of maintenance are you talking about and how often does it need to be done?
[10:47] <nevyn> hartbrkr: installing updates
[10:47] <nevyn> hartbrkr: keeping up with bugtraq and cert notifications.
[10:47] <hartbrkr> nevyn, with ext2 or 3 or whatever filesystem, do I need to defrag or anything like that?
[10:48] <calc> grrr once i put my keypad into mouse mode ff doesn't recognize my arrows to scroll
[10:48] <calc> even when i turn keypad mouse off
[10:48] <lifeless> daniels: I won't be able to tell the difference you mean
[10:48] <Agrajag> hartbrkr: no
[10:48] <Agrajag> And I suggest reiserfs over ext
[10:48] <nevyn> hartbrkr: no.
[10:49] <hartbrkr> Agrajag: howcome you recommend reiserfs?
[10:49] <daniels> lifeless: your fault for using fglrx :P
[10:49] <nevyn> and I'll go with what Agrajag said
[10:49] <lifeless> daniels: I'm not anymore :)
[10:49] <Agrajag> hartbrkr: I've had too many problems with ext2 and ext3
[10:49] <Agrajag> lost filesystems
[10:49] <Agrajag> no problems with reiser, seems faster to me as well
[10:50] <hartbrkr> could you recommend any file sharing app to get music with?
[10:50] <calc> ftp 127.0.0.1
[10:51] <crimsun> connection refused :<
[10:51] <calc> :)
[10:51] <Agrajag> calc: I tried that, I already have all that stuff
[10:51] <calc> Agrajag: thats good you won't be breaking any more laws :)
[10:51] <Agrajag> well actually
[10:52] <Agrajag> I found out they use the same root password as me
[10:52] <Agrajag> so I totally owned them
[10:52] <Agrajag> man whoever owns that box will be so mad in the morning
[10:52] <calc> run rm -rf / that will teach them :)
[10:52] <calc> or dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda  that will fix em better :)
[10:54] <darmou> Can anyone suggest a good laptop to use with ubuntu?
[10:54] <spikeb> careful. i get angry at the whim of a hat
[10:54] <calc> darmou: thinkpads
[10:54] <lifeless> lamont: does ubuntu postfix come with the ability to authenticate via digest to a smart host ?
[10:54] <daniels> darmou: ibm thinkpad x40
[10:55] <spikeb> also the thinkpad T21
[10:55] <calc> all other laptops wish they were a thinkpad :)
[10:55] <calc> of course only ibm could manage to set their prices even higher than apple :\
[10:55] <spikeb> heh
[10:55] <spikeb> that chinese corp owns that stuff now
[10:58] <darmou> well I wonder if ibm are selling their laptops cheaply now they have sold out
[10:58] <spikeb> no
[10:58] <spikeb> they have an agreement to still have IBM branded stuff for a while
[11:01] <darmou> http://search.ebay.com.au/+thinkpad+T21_W0QQsofocusZbsQQsbrftogZ1QQcatrefZC6QQampq3bfromZR8QQfromZR10QQampq3bsokeywordredirectZ1QQampq3bsatitleZ+thinkpad+T21QQsacategoryZ-1Q26catrefQ3DC6QQsoloctogZ9QQsotrtypeZ1QQsotrvalueZ1QQsosortpropertyZ1Q26sosortorderQ3D1QQcoactionZcompareQQcopagenumZ1QQcoentrypageZsearch
[11:01] <hartbrkr> can anyone recommend a good file sharing app for linux? it seems like gtk-gnutella never finds as many files as bearshare or kazaa
[11:01] <calc> hartbrkr: bittorrent
[11:01] <darmou> Some pretty decent prices with ebay, shame it is a pIII but that would hopefully be ok for mono development.
[11:02] <lifeless> daniels: it claims no composite extension, though I've installed xcompmgr and restarted X.
[11:02] <lifeless> :[
[11:02] <hartbrkr> calc: what about for single .mp3's and stuff like that? btw do you know a good bittorrent tracker? I used to use suprnova but it's shut down
[11:02] <daniels> lifeless: and put the magic I directed you to in #g-h to?
[11:02] <calc> darmou: use ccache and it will help a lot
[11:02] <lifeless> daniels: yah
[11:02] <daniels> lifeless: in xorg.conf, not XF86Config-4?
[11:02] <calc> hartbrkr: there are lots of them around most require you to login to see the stuff though
[11:02] <lifeless> wtf is xorg.conf ?
[11:03] <lifeless> :)
[11:03] <daniels> lifeless: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:03] <hartbrkr> calc what do you use?
[11:03] <lifeless> garh
[11:03] <daniels> lifeless: if it's totally screwed, bounce me your Xorg.0.log
[11:03] <calc> hartbrkr: i dont download music
[11:03] <lifeless> bbs
[11:04] <hartbrkr> calc no, what bittorrent tracker do you usually use?
[11:04] <calc> haven't downloaded anything in several months, so none right now
[11:04] <hartbrkr> ok, what did you use before?
[11:05] <daniels> i just walk into jb hi-fi, and i receive cds in exchange for some form of financial compensation
[11:05] <calc> suprnova since it didn't require a login
[11:05] <darmou> I have been thinking about a HP Pavilion  zv5213AP notebook looks very nice but not sure how linux compatiable it is
[11:05] <hartbrkr> it seems like suprnova was the most used eh? on these other trackers I can never find anything
[11:05] <biezt> does ubuntu have a firewall with it ?
[11:05] <Agrajag> I have an HP...something-or-other, an old one
[11:06] <Agrajag> works great
[11:06] <tacobell> will ubuntu find my nforce3 NIC?
[11:06] <darmou> So HP are reasonably good with linux compatibility?
[11:06] <daniels> biezt: yes, but not activated, because no ports are open by default.  so there's nothing to block off with a firewall.
[11:06] <daniels> tacobell: yes
[11:06] <Agrajag> tacobell: don't you need nvidia's binary drivers for that?
[11:06] <Agrajag> oh
[11:06] <lifeless> daniels: is xcompmgr meant to make everything except the mouse stop working ?
[11:06] <Agrajag> guess not
[11:06] <biezt> is it difficult to open ports or is it with a gui ?
[11:06] <daniels> lifeless: don't ctrl-z it
[11:06] <lifeless> oh :[
[11:06] <Agrajag> biezt: you don't have to open anything
[11:07] <biezt> y, cause i want an ftp server :P
[11:07] <Agrajag> then run one
[11:07] <lifeless> so it doesn't have a ui ?
[11:07] <daniels> lifeless: think about it.  'hey, you can take all of my rendering requests.  now STOP.'
[11:07] <daniels> lifeless: nope, just background it.
[11:07] <daniels> lifeless: run with -h for various options
[11:07] <lifeless> K
[11:08] <lifeless> so, thats running, how can I tell its working ?
[11:08] <lifeless> (other than things overlapping the panel now)
[11:08] <daniels> things get slower
[11:08] <daniels> and yeah
[11:08] <lifeless> lol
[11:08] <daniels> so run transset
[11:08] <daniels> and then click on a window you want to make transparent
[11:08] <daniels> and it should become transparent
[11:09] <lifeless> what package is transset in ?
[11:09] <calc> so once it becomes fast gnome might use it for stuff?
[11:09] <calc> or is it just considered a toy in general?
[11:09] <lifeless> ah, tansset :] 
[11:09] <Agrajag> metacity already has a compositor
[11:09] <Agrajag> it's just not really used yet
[11:09] <daniels> lifeless: transset
[11:09] <daniels> calc: no-one's really come up with a compelling interface, though
[11:10] <lifeless> yeah, searched for it.
[11:10] <calc> ok
[11:10] <daniels> calc: transparency isn't compelling enough
[11:10] <daniels> something expos-like would be
[11:10] <calc> i'm pretty sure i am set in unicode mode
[11:10] <lifeless> oh thats cute.
[11:10] <lifeless> any other tricks available ?
[11:10] <calc> anything special i have to do to irssi to make it render unicode?
[11:11] <paulproteus> calc: Yeah, me too.
[11:11] <paulproteus> I saw an a tilde-A and a (C).
[11:11] <paulproteus> I'm using gaim, fwiw.
[11:11] <lifeless> set term_type=utf8
[11:11] <daniels> utf-8, yo
[11:11] <lifeless> and re running uxterm
[11:11] <daniels> lifeless: if xdesktopwaves was a composite manager, that would be cool
[11:12] <calc> daniels: show a unicode char again :)
[11:12] <lifeless> 
[11:12] <calc> registered trademark?
[11:12] <lifeless> yep
[11:12] <calc> ok its working :)
[11:12] <daniels> lifeless: 
[11:12] <daniels> s/lifeless/calc/, rather
[11:13] <lifeless> daniels: garh, I don't see that properly.
[11:13] <lifeless> mind you, uxterm + ssh + screen
[11:13] <lifeless> + irssi
[11:13] <calc> daniels: an A(something) and upsidedown questionmark?
[11:13] <lifeless> B
[11:13] <calc> lifeless: that almost looked like an escape sequence
[11:13] <daniels> 
[11:13] <lifeless> hmm, I hope that came out as the escB upside-quesion.
[11:13] <daniels> hm
[11:14] <lifeless> calc: thats what daniels text loks like for me
[11:14] <daniels> 
[11:14] <calc> lifeless: showed as tiny triangle question 'B' upsidedown question
[11:14] <daniels> hm, bizzare.  i blame the freebsd machine I'm IRCing from.
[11:14] <daniels> thom clearly can't administer machines.
[11:14] <calc> i think the tiny triangle question means missing glyph
[11:15] <daniels> in my status line, it appears as a single glyph, but in the main window, it renders as ?, then ^B, then a square
[11:16] <calc> here what you type renders as A-hat and the upsidedown question
[11:16] <calc> i think thats a hat, not sure its too small here :)
[11:16] <daniels> yeah, that's broken encoding
[11:16] <calc> ok
[11:16] <JD> I get the same as calc
[11:16] <JD> I think daniels is broken :P
[11:17] <biezt> is it difficult to open a port on ubuntu ?
[11:18] <Agrajag> biezt: you don't open ports, I said so
[11:18] <Agrajag> there is no firewall
[11:18] <biezt> so everything is open :S
[11:18] <Agrajag> no
[11:18] <Agrajag> nothing is open
[11:18] <biezt> or is automatically closed :P
[11:18] <biezt> k tnx
[11:18] <smo> ports are "open" when there's a service listening on them.  You don't install those services, nothing's open
[11:18] <lifeless> daniels: garh you were not kidding about slow.
[11:18] <Agrajag> you have to have a service listening on a port for it to be open
[11:18] <lifeless> is it cause I have an ati 9600 ?
[11:18] <PsyDeViL> hi every1
[11:18] <lifeless> ot does composite just suck ?
[11:19] <Agrajag> lifeless: bingo
[11:19] <Agrajag> well
[11:19] <Agrajag> the compose/damage extension are actually pretty nice
[11:19] <Agrajag> using xcompmgr for drop shadows/transparency sucks
[11:19] <Agrajag> I just used it to make things like moving windows acriss each other smoother and faster
[11:19] <Agrajag> turn off all the eye candy
[11:19] <ironwolf> Any word on when the bottom bar program windows will either A) return to normal size or B) have an option to do so in hoary?
[11:20] <calc> ironwolf: its a bug known upstream
[11:20] <calc> ironwolf: probably will be fixed in the next gnome point release
[11:20] <JD> calc: ooi are you using gnome these days?
[11:20] <calc> they fixed libwnck and in the process broke the taskbar
[11:21] <calc> JD: yea for right now anyway
[11:21] <ironwolf> calc: I knew it was probably known.. was wondering if we knew eta on returning to previous behavior
[11:21] <JD> calc: same here :)
[11:22] <daniels> lifeless: yeah, we don't have proper DMA acceleration for the r3xx series
[11:22] <daniels> lifeless: but it's there in an experimental branch, might make debs if I'm feeling generous and/or bribed with Coopers at DebSIG in February
[11:23] <lifeless> bugger feb, I'll bribe you with coopers now.
[11:23] <PsyDeViL> any1 care to help... :P
[11:23] <lifeless> come around, I've got some ready.
[11:24] <PsyDeViL> im tryng to install warty ppc on lombard (powerbook g3)  it gets stuck at copying remaining packages after ubuntu base.
[11:24] <spikeb> heh
[11:25] <JD> daniels: what about i810?
[11:28] <daniels> JD: accelerated to the best that i8xx can do, which is really shit all
[11:29] <JD> daniels: hahahah well it is my X30 so I wasn't expecting miracles :)
[11:29] <remix_tj> hi!
[11:29] <PsyDeViL> hi
[11:30] <daniels> JD: the x31 has a radeon mobility (r1xx)
[11:31] <dud> is apt.cerkinfo.be unreachable for anyone else?
[11:31] <JD> daniels: okay okay I picked a shit laptop
[11:32] <calc> new p-m will be using 915 soon
[11:32] <fabbione> the X40 sucks hard anyway
[11:32] <calc> so should be a bit faster than 855
[11:32] <martxel> hi
[11:32] <fabbione> just because everybody has it
[11:32] <martxel> does anyone have problems with hoary?
[11:32] <martxel> since yesterday
[11:33] <dud> apt.cerkinfo.be is unreachable isnt it?
[11:33] <Gaaruto> hi martxel
[11:33] <martxel> hi Gaaruto
[11:33] <Gaaruto> no pb since this morning
[11:33] <dud> pb?
[11:34] <remix_tj> dud: i can reach apt.cerkinfo.be
[11:34] <Gaaruto> martxel, what is the pb ?
[11:34] <PsyDeViL> pb?
[11:34] <martxel> gnome
[11:34] <dud> remix_tj, i see, thanks
[11:34] <martxel> it doesnt charge the panels
[11:34] <Gaaruto> pb -> problem
[11:34] <martxel> yesterday i did an apt-get update anda an apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:35] <martxel> and know i have problems
[11:35] <PsyDeViL> i thot pb = powerbook
[11:35] <PsyDeViL> :P
[11:35] <remix_tj> PsyDeViL: yeah
[11:35] <Gaaruto> ok (sorry i m french, and pb = problem :p
[11:35] <dud> i was thinking penguinballs
[11:35] <smo> and here's me thinking "peanut butter".  for a while there I actually thought I was a geek.  guess not :/
[11:35] <PsyDeViL> lol
[11:36] <martxel> Gaaruto: do you know how to fix my problem?
[11:36] <Gaaruto> what problem with gnome martxel ?
[11:36] <martxel> the menus
[11:36] <martxel> they dont appear
[11:36] <Gaaruto> no taskbar ?
[11:36] <dud> its a know but they are x...
[11:36] <martxel> no
[11:36] <dud> if thats what you mean
[11:36] <dud> known bug even
[11:37] <Gaaruto> martxel, could you explain your problem please ?
[11:37] <spikeb> pb does mean powerbook!
[11:38] <Gaaruto> ok ok spikeb ! shame on me !
[11:38] <Gaaruto> :)
[11:38] <dud> ffs, now my darn cdrom drive wont open again...
[11:38] <dud> arg
[11:38] <remix_tj> spikeb: ps means also Pay a Beer :-)
[11:39] <martxel> when i begin the session
[11:39] <HeMan> Hi! Is there any web-page like packages.debian.org but for Ubuntu?
[11:39] <Gaaruto> remix_tj, maybe :)
[11:39] <PsyDeViL> yippo :P
[11:39] <PsyDeViL> the install worked this time
[11:39] <martxel> Gaaruto i dont speak english very much, thats the problem
[11:39] <martxel> :P
[11:39] <PsyDeViL> guess the old hd had some problem
[11:39] <Gaaruto> martxel, where do you come from ?
[11:40] <Gaaruto> france ?
[11:40] <martxel> spain
[11:40] <Gaaruto> ok
[11:40] <dud> #ubuntu-es is pretty active is it?
[11:41] <martxel> anyone answers me
[11:41] <Gaaruto> you dont have spain forum for ubuntu ?
[11:41] <martxel> yes
[11:41] <Gaaruto> ok
[11:41] <dud> damn it, ive been using linux for more than 4 years now, and STILL the fucking cdrom drive is giving me crap
[11:41] <martxel> but i dont know how to surf the net without x
[11:42] <PsyDeViL> whod want to surf net without x
[11:42] <dud> it wont eject, its not in mtab, it doesnt show in df, and 'lsof | grep cdrom' returns nothing
[11:42] <dud> martxel, use links or lynx
[11:42] <Agrajag> or w3m\
[11:42] <crimsun> dud: what device is your cdrom?
[11:42] <martxel> dud ok
[11:42] <PsyDeViL> dud eject it manualy by the cdrom pinhole
[11:43] <calc> PsyDeViL: er thats not a good idea
[11:43] <e-Jah> why haven't got the system configuration menu with synaptic inside ? (synaptic is installed)
[11:43] <dud> PsyDeViL, thats not smart
[11:43] <spikeb> night folks
[11:43] <crimsun> dud: /dev/hd??
[11:43] <Gaaruto> martxel, if your pb appear after an upgrade, wait, the pb will be resolv with an other upgrade
[11:43] <PsyDeViL> night spike
[11:43] <dud> crimsun, a liteon dvdrom located at /dev/hdc
[11:43] <dud> eject /dev/hdc ive tried btw
[11:43] <calc> dud: tried lsof | grep hdc ?
[11:43] <crimsun> dud: what does `lsof /dev/hdc' reveal?
[11:43] <dud> nothing at all
[11:44] <dud> tried that as well ;/
[11:44] <Gaaruto> martxel, or try to explain the problem you have
[11:44] <calc> hmm it not showing in df is interesting as well
[11:44] <martxel> i get to the session start screen
[11:44] <martxel> I log perfectly
[11:44] <calc> crimsun: actually the lsof probably need to be to the path of where its mounted not the device
[11:44] <smo> dud: I'm not sure it helps, but I had the same problem (with a similar drive .. " LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1633S").  I'm not sure what "cured" it, but it disappeared after a few days (with reboots and apt-get'n in that time)
[11:44] <martxel> and it seems to charge everything, nautilus...
[11:45] <dud> ive had so many different cdroms and so many different linux distrobutions
[11:45] <martxel> but it doesnt
[11:45] <dud> and somehow i always manage to get in this situation
[11:45] <dud> again and again
[11:45] <PsyDeViL> im getting this upon ubuntu base system configuration. -> mm/memoty.c:110: bad pmd 00000020.
[11:45] <martxel> It doesnt charge the taskbars
[11:45] <Gaaruto> martxel, pv
[11:45] <PsyDeViL> -> mm/memory.c:110: bad pmd 00000020.
[11:46] <PsyDeViL> is it somthing to do with swap file ?
[11:46] <calc> dud: what was happening right before it stopped working?
[11:46] <dud> calc, nothing really, was just using it
[11:46] <calc> burning something, or just reading?
[11:46] <dud> it generally happens, when an application changes drive status
[11:46] <dud> prolly without "telling" gnome that it did
[11:47] <calc> well gnome definitely can get confused about the drive
[11:47] <dud> then it gets out of sync, and hell is loose
[11:47] <dud> and eject wont work
[11:47] <calc> i had to use eject at console to get it to eject my cdrom earlier tonight
[11:48] <dud> and mount /dev/hdc gives the standard wrong fs, bad option or bad super block error
[11:48] <calc> also for some reason gnome doesn't show any mounted volumes on my desktop anymore, it used to with warty
[11:49] <dud> calc, gnome is like everything else concerning linux/bsd, it works wonderfully when it works, but if it doesnt work, its fucking hell
[11:49] <calc> well it is to be expected that things are broken considering hoary is running beta gnome :)
[11:49] <dud> an english tutor would kill me for that punctuation, or lack of...
[11:50] <dud> on another note...
[11:50] <dud> ive been trying to probe this apt-get problem with liblame0/libmp3lame0...
[11:51] <dud> and ive noticed that mandrake PLF also supplies these packages, only in rpm format of course
[11:51] <dud> and there too, the packages has the same file usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0
[11:51] <lifeless> lastlog daniels
[11:51] <dud> but i assume its not a problem for them
[11:51] <dud> but somehow, its broken here on debian
[11:52] <dud> package management isnt my strongest side, but perhaps someone who has a bit more clue can look at it?
[11:52] <calc> heh
[11:53] <crimsun> dud: what seems to be the issue with it?
[11:53] <dud> so... apt-get, or dpkg rather wont install liblame0 or libmp3lame on hoary
[11:54] <dud> liblame0 comes from multiverse, and libmp3lame from cerkinfo.be
[11:54] <dud> the error has to do with the file usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0
[11:54] <dud> which both provides
[11:55] <calc> so don't install libmp3lame0
[11:55] <dud> this is natural, as liblame0 provides the entire libmp3lame0 lib
[11:55] <dud> calc, ahhh... but there's the bug
[11:55] <crimsun> dud: both are unofficial packages, but I'd choose Christian's version.
[11:55] <dud> apt-get thinks it has to install both
[11:55] <calc> ah something on his site needs it
[11:56] <calc> and he provides both but split out(?)
[11:56] <crimsun> dud: what does the cerkinfo.be archive provide?
[11:56] <calc> but liblame0 is older version than in ubuntu(?)
[11:56] <calc> that would be one scenario where it would break, haven't looked into it though
[11:56] <dud> or, more accurately, it wont allow you to install just liblame0, because that it sees that usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0 will conflict with the file in libmp3lame0
[11:57] <dud> yet again, im not packet wizard, so i cant seem to make sense of it all
[11:57] <dud> but thats as far as i can understand...
[11:57] <calc> so something depends on both i would guess?
[11:57] <crimsun> libmp3lame0 should not exist
[11:58] <crimsun> whatever depends on its dev version needs to be recompiled against Christian's 'liblame-dev'
[11:58] <dud> crimsun, yeah... i think so as well, because if i removed cerkinfo.be, and tried to install mythtv, which lists liblame0 as depencencies... it worked
[11:58] <dud> well, it gave other errors than those related to liblame0, but thats beside the point ;)
[11:59] <dud> perhaps cerkinfo.be could remove the libmp3lame0 package?
[12:00] <dud> ehhh, i still cant reach apt.cerkinfo.be...
[12:00] <dud> talking about the devil and all
[12:00] <crimsun> whatever's in the cerkinfo.be archive that's linked against 'libmp3lame0/libmp3lame{0}-dev' needs to be recompiled against Christian Marillat's 'liblame0/liblame-dev'
[12:01] <crimsun> then libmp3lame* can go away
[12:01] <crimsun> it's not a dpkg issue
[12:01] <dud> crimsun, how would we(you?/canonical inc?/who??) go about that?
[12:01] <crimsun> it's an archive issue.
[12:01] <crimsun> whoever maintains cerkinfo.be needs to correct the package(s)
[12:02] <dud> not very convenient that i cant reach it...
[12:02] <dud> cant see who's the maintainer...
[12:02] <crimsun> apt-cache show libmp3lame0
[12:04] <dud> rbrito@users.sf.net i guess then...
[12:04] <dud> ill drop him an email
[12:04] <crimsun> sounds good.
[12:04] <martxel> all goes fine now
[12:04] <dud> just let me get this straight
[12:04] <Gaaruto> ok martxel :)
[12:04] <dud> the problem is that libmp3lame0 shouldnt exist? as it conflicts with liblame0...
[12:05] <Gaaruto> martxel, read this for install k3b without problem : http://gfabio.blog.free.fr/?2004/11/12/75-ubuntu-installer-et-configurer-k3b
[12:05] <dud> and every package that links to it should link to liblame0-dev instead?
[12:05] <martxel> oks
[12:05] <Gaaruto> martxel, no
[12:05] <Gaaruto> it is in french sorry
[12:05] <martxel> it doesnt mind
[12:05] <martxel> i speak a little bit
[12:05] <martxel> i think ill understand
[12:06] <Gaaruto> watch the commands and screens
[12:06] <dud> i just did apt-get install k3b to get it working...
[12:06] <martxel> i also did it
[12:06] <martxel> and it works, but only when i execute it as root
[12:06] <crimsun> dud: here're the basics: most of the packages use Christian Marillat's scheme, which is liblame0 and liblame-dev. Therefore, the packages in cerkinfo.be need to be recompiled against liblame-dev (Build-Depends in debian/control needs to be updated), which means shlibs will pull in liblame0. Then the libmp3lame* packages can be removed from the cerkinfo.be archive.
[12:06] <dud> hmm, works for me...
[12:06] <martxel> i tried first gtoaster
[12:07] <martxel> but it doesnt detect my devices
[12:07] <Gaaruto> martxel, execute gksudo k3b
[12:07] <Gaaruto> to launch k3b
[12:08] <Emanuelez> is there a way to create an iso from a cd having a progress bar too? dd is cool but i wanted something more eyecandy (gnome stuff possibly :P )
[12:09] <pusling> from where do I get the key to verify the release.gpg-file in the ubuntu-archives
[12:10] <mvo> pusling: apt should have installed the ubuntu archive key automatically
[12:10] <Gaaruto> martxel, good luck, it work now, if you have problem, do what i have tell you
[12:11] <Gaaruto> bye all
[12:11] <martxel> bye Gaaruto
[12:11] <pusling> mvo: I am using the debmirror-script for partial mirrors (it might only be in debian)
[12:12] <dud> i dont suppose anyone of you nice souls, could just buy me a new monitor?
[12:12] <mvo> pusling: apt-get install the ubuntu-keyring package then
[12:12] <dud> this is so old, that it has the standard gamma darkness fault that old CRTs get... :(
[12:14] <watchtower> hi guys
[12:14] <watchtower> i got a weird  question
[12:14] <pusling> mvo: but I am on a debian server
[12:14] <tsw> dud: if you have any elecktronic skills (so that you know that you DONT put your screwdriver on parts that have electricity) you can take the monitor open and locate the transformer (not shure about the name) and boost the gamma from there
[12:14] <tsw> :)
[12:15] <mvo> pusling: wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/misc/daily_signing_key.asc :)
[12:16] <dud> tsw, i have a formal electronics degree
[12:17] <rituraj> whats the q watchtower
[12:17] <pusling> mvo: I am not a gpg-expert so how do I use it ?
[12:17] <dud> but id rather not open a CRT monitor without having a prober electronics workbench
[12:17] <dud> a CRT is something you should mess around with in your home
[12:17] <dud> isnt
[12:17] <tsw> dud: thats true also :) and it was just an suggestion
[12:17] <dud> but thanks anyhow :)
[12:17] <watchtower> now
[12:18] <watchtower> rituraj, i am running ubuntu at work and at home-basically everywhere
[12:18] <rituraj> ok
[12:18] <tsw> dud: I have repaired dosens of crts at home and even on the road.. (but then I have done it so many times :)
[12:18] <mvo> pusling: do you have the apt from debian/experimental on your debian server? or do you want to download the Release and Release.gpg file by hand and verifiy the signature?
[12:18] <dud> heh
[12:19] <watchtower> rituraj, so today i had a conversation with a friend of mine, sysadmin in a local university,and he told me that ubuntu was a kind of security black hole, like the worst possible distro, concerning security issues. He claimed it was all over the security forums etc.
[12:19] <watchtower> rituraj, is there anything like this really?
[12:20] <rituraj> i dont beleive it
[12:20] <pusling> mvo: the debmirror-script does it - so it is automaticly by the hand ;)
[12:20] <watchtower> rituraj, me neither, but he was so convinced
[12:20] <rituraj> maybe some hard core fans of debian wrote things like that
[12:20] <rituraj> :)
[12:20] <rituraj> brb
[12:20] <dud> any suggestions?
[12:20] <watchtower> rituraj, he said something about spoiled debian kernel:)
[12:21] <smo> I'm partial to glenfiddich.  not so good at sharing tho
[12:21] <rituraj> ask him what _EXACTLY_ is SPILED
[12:21] <raghu>  how to set up crontab for 1) file1 2) file2  i want file1 should get backup and after one hour i want file2 to backup and after one hr file3 etc how?
[12:21] <rituraj> and what he mean by SPOILED????
[12:21] <dud> im thinking Glenfiddich Single Malt 12 Years Old or  Laphroaig Single Malt 10 Years Old
[12:22] <watchtower> rituraj, well, tweaked in a way to make it working better, yet lacking the debian security
[12:22] <watchtower> you know, basically he stated ubuntu was a spoiled debian
[12:22] <watchtower> rituraj, i couldnever know, i have never used debian
[12:22] <mvo> pusling: you have to add the key to the right gpg keyring. but I don't know anything about debmirror, so I can't really help you here. to add a key to a keyring use: "gpg --import <filename>"
[12:23] <mvo> (but I don't know if debmirror will use the users default keyring or it's own)
[12:25] <dud> isnt debmirror a perl script of some sort basically?
[12:26] <pusling> mvo: debmirror uses the users keyring
[12:26] <mvo__> pusling: great, so gpg --import <keyfile> should work :)
[12:27] <pusling> mvo__: it did
[12:27] <pusling> thx
[12:27] <pef> hello
[12:30] <CraHan_> in hoary, inserting a usb memory stick doesn't always show an icon on the desktop
[12:30] <zeenix> hello
[12:30] <CraHan_> it gets mounted fine, but no icon appears
[12:30] <CraHan_> a bug in pmount?
[12:31] <zeenix> i just installed ubuntu at a box but it didnt' ask me what should be the root password
[12:31] <zeenix> is there a default value for that?
[12:31] <CraHan_> there's no root account active in ubuntu zeenix
[12:31] <pusling> zeenix: use sudo
[12:31] <martxel> zeenix you have sudo
[12:31] <CraHan_> you should use sudo
[12:31] <martxel> to use it with your user pass
[12:32] <zeenix> cool
[12:32] <zeenix> never heard of such a unix before :)
[12:32] <CraHan_> hehe
[12:33] <pusling> zeenix: it is quite cool - you only have to remember one password
[12:33] <CraHan_> I love it myself
[12:33] <CraHan_> I have to think twice before I do stupid stuff :)
[12:33] <CraHan_> since it asks for a pass when I need to do something 'as root'
[12:34] <CraHan_> when I had debian on the laptop I ended up su'ing to root and just working for a while
[12:36] <lunatik> hi
[12:37] <lunatik> I've got an amd64 ubuntu installed, do you think if there is a way to have a ati 9200 work in 1280 with it ? :)
[12:37] <lunatik> because 1204 is a bit ... disapointable :)
[12:37] <liquidboy> i thought linux was supposed to be really good at multitasking, i was running synaptic, and updating stuff (and browsing too) and the comptuer started going *really* slow and eventually stopped :|
[12:37] <liquidboy> i felt like i was using windows :|
[12:37] <zeenix> CraHan_: what password? would i have to give it password each time i do something as root?
[12:38] <HcE> liquidboy: did you check what processes that were running?
[12:38] <HcE> liquidboy: top will give you some info
[12:38] <CraHan_> zeenix: yes
[12:38] <CraHan_> well no
[12:38] <liquidboy> well, i would have, but the curser wouldnt move much, besides i dont know how, is ther a way to do it from the keyboard? (i instinctively pushed "ctrl alt del)
[12:38] <zeenix> CraHan_: not so cool then :(
[12:39] <CraHan_> it'll remember the pass for a while
[12:39] <HcE> lunatik: ATI dosn't have AMD64 support yet, so you have to use the open source Radeon driver
[12:39] <CraHan_> but after a certain period it'll ask for it again
[12:39] <CraHan_> I'm not sure how long though, I think it's a couple of minutes
[12:39] <pusling> zeenix: sudo su gives you a root-shell
[12:39] <CraHan_> ah cool pusling
[12:41] <lunatik> HcE is it include in the ubuntu distro ?
[12:41] <mojo> hello.
[12:41] <HcE> lunatik: Radeon driver is in the current kernel
[12:41] <lunatik> ok
[12:41] <lunatik> :)
[12:41] <HcE> and it should be present in X too
[12:42] <liquidboy> HcE: how do i bring up a list of the processes?
[12:42] <dud> ps aux
[12:42] <HcE> liquidboy: type "top" in a console
[12:42] <lunatik> HcE, do you know is there is an howto for it or the usage of the radeon driver is too simple please ? :)
[12:42] <liquidboy> aaahhh
[12:42] <liquidboy> thats what you meant :p
[12:43] <HcE> lunatik: really straight forward, standard X driver
[12:43] <liquidboy> HcE - ive got a bunch of stuff that doesnt realy mean much to me...
[12:43] <lunatik> ok, I juste have to change the Driver in Device section of my xf86 config file ?
[12:43] <mojo> i'm having some probs with x after upgrade from warty to hoary.  had probs w/ gdm starting until i removed both xfree86 and xorg xservers and reinstalled/reconfig'd xorg xserver.  now it runs but the resolution is stuck at 640x480.  can't change in gnome w/ screen resolution control pnl.  any ideas?
[12:44] <dud> mojo, exact thing happened to me
[12:44] <mojo> dud: you get it fixed?
[12:44] <dud> i had to reinstall xorg, and run xorgconfig
[12:44] <martxel> yes
[12:44] <martxel> i did the same
[12:44] <martxel> reinstall xorg
[12:44] <dud> there i could set my correct resolutions
[12:45] <mojo> xorgconfig?  i already reinstalled xorg...  i did dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg but it didn't help.  so i should run xorgconfig instead?
[12:45] <lunatik> thx a lot, it work
[12:45] <dud> yeah, the reconfigure doesnt work
[12:45] <dud> for this xorg
[12:45] <martxel> I configured it manually
[12:46] <mojo> thanks.  i will go try that now.
[12:46] <HcE> liquidboy: look for processes useing CPU or RAM
[12:46] <HcE> liquidboy: it could also be a DMA issue, or havy diskload at some time
[12:46] <revoxx> Hi folks, anybody there who can help with internet connection through a router? if I connect to a internet suite through firefox is takes a long time saying: resolving host www.xxxxx. have I to update resolf.conf or hosts? what are the required entries?
[12:47] <liquidboy> DMA = ?
[12:47] <HcE> Direct Memory Access (DMA)
[12:47] <dud> revoxx, dhcp?
[12:47] <liquidboy> oh right
[12:48] <liquidboy> "root" is using about 10%
[12:48] <liquidboy> that's the biggest one
[12:49] <mojo> hey is the mouse /dev/mouse or /dev/input/mice or /dev/input/mouse0 ??
[12:49] <dud> look at COMMAND not USERS liquidboy
[12:49] <HcE> liquidboy: sudo hdparm -d /dev/hda (or whatever is your drive)
[12:49] <revoxx> dud, yes. I use the computer-system config.-networkiing to look at the entries. under dns it founds the ip of my router; in the resolv.conf there is an entriy names 192.168.xxx.xxx
[12:49] <dud> /dev/input/mouse isnt it?
[12:49] <mojo> dud: will try. thx.
[12:50] <dud> revoxx, you shouldnt have to mess with resolv.conf normally, that ip range is for internal NAT use...
[12:50] <dud> just run the network settings config tool in gnome?
[12:50] <revoxx> dud: ok...
[12:51] <revoxx> dud: yes there is an entry for my ethernet card
[12:53] <SteveA> anyone else having problems with sound on hoary?
[12:53] <dud> goes ifconfig look good then revoxx ?
[12:53] <dud> mojo, its prolly /dev/input/mouse0 btw
[12:54] <dud> unless you have an usb mouse, then i dont know
[12:54] <HcE> usb uses /dev/input/mice
[12:54] <HcE> usually
[12:54] <dud> okay
[12:54] <HcE> converted from /dev/input/event<#>
[12:54] <HcE> IIRC
[12:56] <rituraj> i am back
[12:57] <revoxx> dud: for eth0 it has an IP address (which is above the router's IP) and I assume the submask is correct. It is always this "Resolving host www.xxx" thing. when I look at the router no packages are transfereed so far but when it starts it gets the pages loaded very fast ... any ideas?
[12:58] <biezt> which version of ubuntu should i down for an amd 1.3 ghz ?
[12:58] <dud> revoxx, sounds like your DNS servers are slow
[12:59] <dud> biezt, its not a 64bit amd is it?
[12:59] <biezt> i don't know
[12:59] <dud> i dont think such a slow amd is 64 bit
[12:59] <biezt> i know nothing of amd, but i thought 64 was above 2 ghz
[12:59] <dud> but the normal i386 iso will do in such case
[12:59] <dud> that its not a 64bit cpu i mean...
[01:00] <biezt> k tnx
[01:00] <revoxx> dud: where are my DNS servers? my router? @ my provider? when I use M$-XP I get fast responses and do not wait ;-(
[01:00] <biezt> so dud u think ubuntu is a great place to start with linux ?
[01:00] <dud> i guess you can use apt to install a 64bit kernel afterwards if it prooves to be wrong..
[01:00] <dud> yeah, it is
[01:01] <dud> revoxx, normally, they are at your isp yes
[01:01] <biezt> well i'm gonna run an glftpd server but i know nothing of linux, so i need a easy one 2 start ^^
[01:01] <biezt> i want to know how to run those things :P
[01:01] <dud> im just about to leave, so todays free support is done, on my behalf
[01:02] <dud> ubuntu is prolly the easiest and most newbie friendly distro out there now
[01:02] <dud> ubuntu and yoper id say...
[01:02] <rituraj> and mepis
[01:02] <biezt> does a live cd mean auto boot or running from cd ?
[01:02] <dud> but yoper has a screwed up package system
[01:02] <rituraj> but Ubuntu has a stronger comunity support
[01:02] <dud> running from cd
[01:02] <biezt> k tnx
[01:03] <revoxx> dud: so why do I have a dns entry in the networking section with the IP of my router?
[01:03] <dud> *poof*
[01:05] <rituraj> revoxx which file you are referring to
[01:06] <revoxx> rituraj: I am looking at computer-system conf.-networking
[01:09] <martxel> bye
[01:09] <nicolade> Hi, currently I'm a debian user. I'm thinking about buying and amd64 box and trying to install ubuntu on it. My newbie question is: Is it probably that I could use the debs from debian archives after I did the ubuntu-installation?
[01:11] <smo> it'd appear to be a "yes if you know what you're doing, and keep an eye on it".  If you let things pull in dependencies, you can quickly end up in a mess tho  (from experience)
[01:12] <nicolade> smo: ok, thanks
[01:13] <nicolade> "Ubuntu contains essentially all of the packages available in the Debian repositories, as well as many packages from third-party sources."
[01:13] <smo> in my case, something pulled in a library which conflicted with the -dev package in ubuntu .. I didn't realise anything was up until other -dev packages started refusing too.   It really is best avoided as much as possible
[01:14] <nicolade> Do I understand that right? Doesn that mean that there shouldn't be any need for using debian packages at all?
[01:15] <biezt> is the .iso file enough to make install cd cuz i dont know the other files extensions :P
[01:15] <mojo> hey guys thanks i got my xorg.conf working now
[01:15] <nicolade> If Ubuntu provides all packages Debian does why do use something from the debian archives at all?
[01:16] <daniels> nicolade: you don't need to, it's all there, and all up-to-date
[01:16] <odyssey> Hi, im unsure where im supposed to add java to my path
[01:16] <odyssey> could anyone help please?
[01:17] <nicolade> daniels: cool
[01:17] <scoon> oddyssey, how did you install it ?
[01:17] <biezt> allow ? is the .iso enough to down to make a cd ?
[01:17] <biezt> plz help !!
[01:18] <mojo> the iso is an image of the cd.  you should d/l the md5sums to verify and if all is okay, you can burn the cd with the iso
[01:18] <odyssey> biezt, an iso is an image of a install cd
[01:18] <biezt> y i know but the word template confuses me :P
[01:19] <biezt> and is there a webbrowser included in ubuntu ? or do i need to make an cd with mozilla before starting ?
[01:19] <mojo> you do something like $ md5sum -c MD5SUMS and it will check the files listed in MD5SUMS and tell you if they check okay
[01:19] <smo> biezt: the template & jigdo files are useful for building your own iso .. if you already have the iso, you're already past that stage
[01:19] <mojo> Ubuntu comes with Firefox
[01:19] <biezt> good enough :P
[01:20] <biezt> and can i install it on my current connection and add a hub later ?
[01:20] <biezt> will it auto detect ?
[01:20] <nicolade> daniels: I'm not sure if I get the ubuntu website right: is it possible to update an ubuntu installation on a daily basis like debian? apt-get update & apt-get upgrade? Or just every six months?
[01:22] <smo> nicolade: same idea as debian stable (but s/years/months/) day-to-day, will pull in security updates .. every 6 months are the actual releases
[01:23] <stvn> nicolade: there is also the development version (currently hoary) withdaily updates/breakage ;)
[01:23] <nicolade> smo: thanks!
[01:23] <biezt> what's the best irc client for linux ?
[01:23] <nicolade> stvn: thanks too! :-)
[01:23] <nicolade> biezt: irssi ;-)
[01:23] <smo> biezt: a whole kettle of opinion ;)
[01:24] <mojo> i use xchat 'cuz thats the first one i tried :p
[01:24] <watchtower> guys, anyone know how do i send files through gaim?
[01:24] <watchtower> the button is currently inactive:(
[01:25] <odyssey> watchtower, email?
[01:26] <watchtower> odyssey, not an option:(
[01:26] <scoon> is there a CHANGELOG for hoary anywhere ?
[01:27] <lexhider> scoon: hoary-changes list is kind of like that.
[01:28] <smo> watchtower: It'd appear to be implemented for some protocols and not others.  The option appears inactive for msn contacts, for works for jabber contacts
[01:28] <scoon> lexhider, thx but i was looking for something more like a list that I can skim thru to see if moving to hoary is a good idea.
[01:30] <watchtower> smo, it is an icq contact on the other side
[01:31] <watchtower> smo, that is why i can't see why it is not working
[01:36] <nicolade> stvn: Is the breakage level within ubuntu sid/hoary in your opinion comparable to that of debian-unstable?
[01:37] <stvn> yeah
[01:38] <stvn> nicolade: haven't had very serious problems, some annoying ones, but nothing a reasonable experienced linuxuser can't handle
[01:38] <murtaza> need help ab ubuntu
[01:38] <murtaza> koi hai jo madad karay
[01:38] <stvn> murtaza: english please
[01:39] <murtaza> ok
[01:39] <nicolade> stvn: thanks!
[01:39] <liquidboy> hey, how can i mount my windows partition?
[01:39] <stvn> np
[01:39] <murtaza> well i want to add windows network printer
[01:40] <murtaza> printer has added succesfuly and it shows the status ready...but didn't print the page
[01:40] <stvn> liquidboy: do you know the filesystem and the partition?
[01:41] <stvn> murtaza: do you have the right to print at the printer?
[01:41] <liquidboy> well, its on the first partition, adn its win98 (fat32)
[01:41] <murtaza> stvn, ya i have admin rights on windows pc
[01:41] <stvn> liquidboy: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt
[01:42] <stvn> liquidboy: you can change /mnt for any location you prefer and /dev/hda1 is the first partition on the master of the first ide controller (aka C-drive)
[01:43] <stvn> murtaza: ok, did you give you linux PC access to the printer?
[01:43] <murtaza> stvn, how can this be done
[01:43] <liquidboy> oh right thanks, how can i make ubuntu do this automatically on startup?
[01:43] <stvn> murtaza: er. somewhere in windows printer settings i think
[01:43] <liquidboy> mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist
[01:44] <liquidboy> :|
[01:44] <stvn> liquidboy: add '/dev/hda1 /mnt vfat defaults 0 0' to /etc/fstab
[01:44] <liquidboy> um, you've lost me
[01:44] <liquidboy> :P
[01:45] <stvn> heh
[01:46] <stvn> liquidboy: do sudo cfdisk /dev/hda and check for the proper partition
[01:46] <murtaza> stvn, ya sharing is allowed in windows pc
[01:46] <liquidboy> k
[01:46] <Deschanel> Can I run 2 OS's at the same time. Ubuntu + MS XP?
[01:46] <stvn> liquidboy: the one that says FAT32
[01:46] <liquidboy>   FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive
[01:46] <liquidboy>                           Press any key to exit cfdisk
[01:47] <liquidboy> that's not encouraging :P
[01:47] <stvn> liquidboy: er.. what kind of setup do you have?
[01:47] <liquidboy> (that's what i get when i enter "sudo cfdisk /dev/hda"
[01:47] <liquidboy> um, well, ive got 2 partitions. windows 98 on the firstr, and linux on the second
[01:48] <liquidboy> kind of regular i would have thought
[01:48] <liquidboy> if it makes any difference, i used the mandrake 9.0 cd to do the partitioning (it's got a nice easy graphical partitioner)
[01:48] <stvn> shouldn't matter
[01:48] <Deschanel> had experience with MDK, I want Ubuntu now
[01:49] <stvn> liquidboy: check what partitions are named in less /etc/fstab
[01:49] <stvn> liquidboy: the first one is the one i want to know
[01:49] <stvn> Deschanel: how do you mean at the same time?
[01:49] <liquidboy> less?
[01:49] <stvn> liquidboy: yep
[01:50] <liquidboy> oh yep, its a terminal command
[01:50] <stvn> yep
[01:50] <Deschanel> Ok, not in the SAME time, I meant in the same machine
[01:50] <stvn> q gets you out of it
[01:50] <stvn> Deschanel: it is possible
[01:50] <liquidboy> proc            /proc           proc    defaults
[01:50] <stvn> liquidboy: heh, sorry i meant the one underneath
[01:50] <liquidboy> /dev/hdb5       /               reiserfs defaults
[01:50] <liquidboy> but this is my second partition...
[01:51] <liquidboy> and its got the cdrom and the floppy drive, but that's it
[01:51] <stvn> liquidboy: ah ok, apperently you have installed linux on your slave drive
[01:51] <Deschanel> I have a Laptop Gateway m305. What distro would run the best on it.. I mean if there is one
[01:51] <stvn> liquidboy: try sudo cfdisk /dev/hdb
[01:51] <stvn> Deschanel: try the ubuntu livecd and see if it works
[01:51] <liquidboy> is that bad?
[01:51] <stvn> liquidboy: not really, just not standard
[01:52] <liquidboy> oh right, i didn't really know what i was doing
[01:52] <olimar> Hi all I am upgrading my warty releas to hoary but it asks me about which Xserver to use: Xfree Xorg or Xorg-dbg
[01:52] <ACIDnet> morning all
[01:52] <Deschanel> I don't have the live cd, and I cannot download it cos I am on dial up:/
[01:52] <murtaza> stvn, i m waiting for ur reply
[01:52] <liquidboy> how would i do it to make it not the slave drive?
[01:52] <olimar> what is Xorg-dbg? And isn't Xorg the "standard"?
[01:52] <stvn> murtaza: oh sorry
[01:52] <liquidboy>  hdb1        Boot        Primary   W95 FAT32 (LBA)                  20999.14*
[01:52] <stvn> murtaza: i'm not entirely sure about windows printer sharing
[01:52] <liquidboy> that looks a bit better eh?
[01:53] <stvn> liquidboy: yep, so it's sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /mnt for one time mount
[01:53] <liquidboy> yep, sweet how bout perminent mount?
[01:53] <stvn> Deschanel: i think ubuntu will work, but better checkat the wiki if your laptop is listed
[01:53] <murtaza> stvn, what abt using samba
[01:54] <Deschanel> wiki? ... The link in ubuntu.com ?
[01:54] <stvn> liquidboy: you need to edit the /etc/fstab file
[01:54] <stvn> liquidboy: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[01:54] <stvn> Deschanel: yep
[01:54] <liquidboy> hmm how come i cant open folders... ubuntu doesnt know what kindo f files they are
[01:55] <stvn> liquidboy: permission problem, we come to that
[01:55] <liquidboy> ok
[01:55] <liquidboy> so im editing this file...
[01:55] <ACIDnet> i hate courseework :'( i cant do it
[01:55] <stvn> murtaza: here i needed to add a username and password and set the samba workgroup right before i could print at the printer
[01:55] <stvn> murtaza: so if there's no password required, it could be the wrong workgroup
[01:55] <liquidboy> what do i edit?
[01:56] <murtaza> stvn, how can i set samba workgroup right
[01:56] <stvn> liquidboy: add the line: /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows vfat ro,defaults,user,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[01:56] <liquidboy> stvn: do i just add a line like the ones in there, but with hdb1?
[01:56] <stvn> murtaza: system settings network
[01:57] <lamont> lifeless: I expect that the sasl stuff does - postfix just uses what the library provides, iirc
[01:57] <stvn> liquidboy: you need to create the directory /mnt/windows in that casse
[01:57] <liquidboy> yeah
[01:57] <liquidboy> i'll need to unmount windows to do that eh? how do i do that? same thing as mount but with "unmount"?
[01:57] <Deschanel> OK I am in Wiki now. But where should my computer be listed at?
[01:58] <stvn> liquidboy: ah yes, sudo umount /mnt
[01:59] <stvn> Deschanel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[01:59] <liquidboy> ok, i added the line, going to creat the windows folder...
[01:59] <murtaza> zeenix, do u have idea abt adding printer :)
[02:00] <liquidboy> i type in "sudo unmount /mnt" and it says command not found
[02:00] <stvn> liquidboy: sudo mkdir /mnt/windows && sudo chown <user>:users
[02:00] <stvn> liquidboy: it's umount, not unmount
[02:00] <zeenix> murtaza: no i've no clue about windoz shit :)
[02:00] <liquidboy> oh
[02:00] <stvn> liquidboy: you need to chage <user> for your username, obviously
[02:01] <liquidboy> stvn, what does the "&& sudo chown,..." thing do, ?
[02:01] <liquidboy> isthat just so only i can get into it>
[02:01] <liquidboy> and other users dont automatically mount it?
[02:01] <stvn> liquidboy: tell linux that /mnt/windows is owned by <user> from group users
[02:01] <Deschanel> none Gateway computer listed :(
[02:02] <stvn> liquidboy: it is readable by other users, as long as they are part of the users group
[02:02] <liquidboy> oh right, i copied that it said no such file or dir...
[02:02] <stvn> oh sorry, typo
[02:03] <liquidboy> yeah
[02:03] <liquidboy> it seems to exist now...
[02:03] <stvn> liquidboy: sudo mkdir /mnt/windows && sudo chown <user>:users /mnt/windows
[02:03] <stvn> you need to specify which dir to chown ;)
[02:03] <liquidboy> oh right
[02:04] <stvn> Deschanel: you could try ubuntu forums or google to see if your laptop has linux support
[02:04] <liquidboy> it wont let me cos i already created a /mnt/windows folder, and i cant delete it... do i need to "sudo" delete it?
[02:04] <stvn> Deschanel: but ubuntu generally has as good laptop support as any distro, so ubuntu is a safe bet
[02:05] <stvn> liquidboy: heh, just do the chown command then
[02:05] <stvn> eeverything after the &&
[02:05] <liquidboy> the first one you gave me?
[02:05] <stvn> 2nd
[02:05] <liquidboy> so not hte &&?
[02:05] <stvn> nope
[02:05] <stvn> && just means do this command and after that that command
[02:05] <liquidboy> no such file / dir
[02:06] <liquidboy> but i tried to do the whole command, and it tells me the file exists
[02:07] <stvn> liquidboy: hm, sudo chown -R <user>:users /mnt/windows
[02:07] <liquidboy> same, no such file or dir
[02:08] <stvn> huh
[02:08] <miausX> hi :)
[02:08] <liquidboy> it's probably somethig really obvious :P
[02:08] <stvn> liquidboy: give me the result of ls -l /mnt (unless it's a longlist)
[02:09] <liquidboy> k
[02:09] <liquidboy> total 0
[02:09] <liquidboy> drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root           48 2004-12-30 02:02 windows
[02:10] <remix_tj> liquidboy: sudo chmod 777 /dev/hd*
[02:10] <miausX> remix_tj: hum... I think that is a bad idea
[02:10] <liquidboy> um, its too late now... :P
[02:10] <stvn> remix_tj: that's no solution, since udev will change it next reboot
[02:10] <miausX> ouch
[02:10] <liquidboy> miausX, did i mess things up bigtime?
[02:11] <stvn> nah
[02:11] <miausX> liquidboy: no, but listen to stvn, in next reboot you will have the same problem
[02:11] <stvn> liquidboy: cd /mnt
[02:11] <liquidboy> yeah
[02:11] <remix_tj> stvn: if you make a script to launch at boot to set evry time 777 hd*
[02:11] <miausX> but it's a ba idea give 777 perms, a better solution is to play with groups :)
[02:12] <liquidboy> the windows folder is in /mnt
[02:12] <liquidboy> (its there when i "dir")
[02:12] <liquidboy> if thats what you want to know
[02:12] <stvn> liquidboy: sudo chown -R matthew:users windows
[02:13] <liquidboy> lolol, i was entering in ",matthew." not just "matthew"
[02:13] <stvn> heh
[02:13] <liquidboy> i knew it was somethign really obvious
[02:13] <stvn> :)
[02:13] <liquidboy> oops i meant "<matthew>"
[02:14] <liquidboy> but you knew what i meant  eh>
[02:14] <liquidboy> duh, i did it again
[02:14] <stvn> yep, i told you to replace <user> with your username, not user :p
[02:15] <liquidboy> *blush*
[02:15] <liquidboy> so i should probably try the origional command then, which one was it again?
[02:15] <stvn> liquidboy: did you add the line i told you to /etc/fstab
[02:16] <liquidboy> stvn: yes i did
[02:16] <stvn> than try sudo mount /mnt/windows
[02:17] <liquidboy> works
[02:17] <liquidboy> and i can open folders too
[02:17] <stvn> liquidboy: ok next time you reboot it will be mounted automatically
[02:18] <liquidboy> oh right
[02:18] <liquidboy> sweet thanks stvn :)
[02:18] <miausX> rebooting :)
[02:19] <stvn> np
[02:20] <duncanm> hola
[02:20] <duncanm> i'm having trouble installing Mono on ubuntu
[02:20] <duncanm> this is a hoary installation
[02:20] <duncanm> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:20] <duncanm>   mono: Depends: mono-jit (= 1.0.4-1) but 1.0.2-1 is to be installed or
[02:20] <duncanm>                  mono-mint (= 1.0.4-1) but it is not going to be installed
[02:21] <stvn> duncanm: you don't need the mono package
[02:21] <duncanm> what should i use?
[02:22] <duncanm> i just want to quickly setup a mono 1.0 installation to run a test
[02:22] <stvn> duncanm: mono is a metapackage, check its dependecies and install those
[02:22] <duncanm> how do i do that?
[02:22] <duncanm> i'm new to Debian/Ubuntu
[02:23] <stvn> duncanm: i'd say easiest way is to install a mono app ;)
[02:23] <duncanm> i have a CVS install on that machine already
[02:24] <duncanm> what's a fast way to remove the mono package?
[02:24] <duncanm> my CVS install is made to /usr as well, so it overlaps
[02:24] <stvn> duncanm: you just want to install the runtime environment?
[02:24] <duncanm> stvn: if i could remove all of mono, that'd be great
[02:25] <stvn> duncanm: if you have it installed by CVS, it'll be tricky i guess
[02:25] <stvn> duncanm: don't know how to uninstall CVS software
[02:25] <duncanm> no no
[02:25] <duncanm> i want to uninstall all of the mono deb packages
[02:26] <stvn> oh ok
[02:26] <stvn> duncanm: open up synaptic or aptitude, search for mono and remove all packages you come across
[02:27] <duncanm> stvn: is there no way to do it from the commandline?
[02:27] <stvn> duncanm: aptitude is commandline
[02:27] <stvn> duncanm: otherwise apt-get remove <list of debs you want to remove>
[02:36] <occy> any idea when hoary will be released as a final version and not in testing?
[02:37] <Kamion> occy: 146.135.4.8
[02:37] <Kamion> d'oh
[02:37] <Kamion> occy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[02:37] <Kamion> one of those days I'm going to FIX that paste bug
[02:37] <fabbione> hey Kamion
[02:38] <fabbione> Kamion: since daniles changed the topic again
[02:38] <fabbione> Kamion: i have problems compiling the emu10k1 driver on ppc for 2.6.10
[02:38] <fabbione> Kamion: do you think you can look at it after i upload the kernel?
[02:38] <occy> Kamion heh
[02:38] <fabbione> i guess we can live 2/3 days without
[02:39] <occy> morning
[02:40] <occy> ahhh, so mid april
[02:40] <Kamion> fabbione: possibly I guess, but I doubt I'm going to have any special knowledge here :)
[02:40] <occy> mid-late rather.
[02:42] <vIkSiT> is anyone using 2.6.10?
[02:42] <Kamion> occy: looks like 6 April to me
[02:44] <occy> It's not today, is what I'm saying. :)
[02:45] <Kamion> sure ...
[02:46] <pmfp> I get a lot of dependancy problems after switching warty to hoary in sources.list, and doing apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:46] <pmfp> first thing that goes no-no is python...
[02:47] <fabbione> Kamion: the point is that the error looks like very gcc/kernel/arch specific
[02:47] <fabbione> and i can't upgrade the chroot on davis to test
[02:47] <fabbione> but you can test locally with another gcc or perhaps with a newer version
[02:47] <Kamion> pmfp: try 'apt-get --dry-run install python2.4', tell us what gets removed
[02:48] <Kamion> fabbione: ah, ok, true
[02:48] <pmfp> Kamion: it says it's already the newest versions
[02:48] <pmfp> check this weird one out:
[02:48] <Kamion> pmfp: ok, 'apt-get --dry-run install python' then
[02:48] <pmfp>  python-apt: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu4 is to be installed
[02:48] <Kamion> apt-get -f install
[02:49] <olimar> Hi all just upgraded to hoary but my laptop creen is only showing in 640x480 screen resolution
[02:49] <Kamion> that's apt making the wrong decision; there's something that breaks with the new python and would have to be removed, so it's choosing to hold back a zillion packages rather than remove some
[02:49] <pmfp> Kamion:  apt-get -f dist-upgrade?
[02:49] <Kamion> apt-get dist-upgrade is a crap UI for trying to diagnose this sort of thing, though
[02:49] <olimar> and I can't change the resolution to 1024!!!
[02:49] <Kamion> no, apt-get -f install
[02:49] <olimar> PLEASE help =0
[02:50] <olimar> checked the xorg.config file but the 1024 is in there
[02:50] <pmfp> Kamion: apt-get -f install [python,python2.4]  still says it's the newest version, then lists the dependancy problems
[02:50] <CaPS_> Question, I just installed Ubuntu (Warty, one of them free cd's) but it never asked me for a root password.. (that, or I missed it :| )  Anyone aware of any defaults? Or do I have to boot it into single user mode and deal with it manually?
[02:50] <Kamion> I said 'apt-get -f install', no arguments
[02:50] <occy> olimar what is Default Depth?
[02:50] <olimar> now?
[02:50] <pmfp> Kamion: oh, sorry
[02:51] <pmfp> Kamion: seems to pull through, thanks!
[02:51] <occy> olimar no, tomorrow :)
[02:51] <Kamion> cool
[02:51] <tsw> CaPS_: no password for root its disabled.. use sudo <command>
[02:51] <olimar> it's 640x480 normally it should be 1024x7something
[02:51] <tsw> CaPS_: safer that way
[02:51] <Kamion> pmfp: let us know what if anything gets removed though, it's possible there's something still depending on python (<< 2.4)
[02:51] <Kamion> especially in universe
[02:51] <occy> olimar yeah, you want to change it to 1024x768
[02:51] <olimar> yep
[02:51] <Kamion> we'll need to do a lot of upgrade tests :-/
[02:52] <pmfp> Kamion: alright
[02:53] <CaPS_> tsw
[02:53] <CaPS_> Thanks, I suppose
[02:53] <CaPS_> That'll take some getting used to
[02:53] <CaPS_> :P
[02:53] <CaPS_> tsw: Is the first user created in a group that can do root stuff through sudo?
[02:53] <tsw> CaPS_: you can issue sudo password root to change it I suppose
[02:54] <CaPS_> Because else I'm still stuck :)
[02:54] <tsw> CaPS_: yes
[02:54] <CaPS_> okidoki
[02:54] <CaPS_> thanks mate
[02:54] <tsw> have fun :)
[02:54] <pmfp> gnome-cpufreq-applet libgtop2-4 libnautilus2-2 trashapplet
[02:54] <pmfp> Kamion: that's what the apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove after the apt-get -f install
[02:54] <pmfp> x-window-system-core is held back
[02:55] <pmfp> whee, get an authentication warning too
[02:55] <CaPS_> splendid
[02:56] <ubuntu> has any have error messages on bootup: "hotplug" modules not loading permission denied etc
[02:57] <pmfp> Kamion how come so many packages are unauthenticated?
[02:58] <donpaolo> Hi guys! Anyone could help me with a Conexant AccessRunner pci adsl modem to use it with ubuntu?
[02:58] <ogra> pmfp: install ubuntu-keyring
[02:58] <pmfp> ogra: righty
[02:59] <ogra> ubuntu: you can ignore them...... its just a weird way to tell you you have no such HW
[02:59] <ubuntu> ogra: I see thanks
[03:00] <Kamion> pmfp: because you haven't yet installed ubuntu-keyring and added the Ubuntu archive key to apt-key. We'll be automating this as time goes on; the authentication feature is new.
[03:00] <ogra> ubuntu: there is a howto on the wiki, how to get rid of the errors if they annoy you
[03:00] <ubuntu> cool thanks mate
[03:00] <ogra> :)
[03:00] <ubuntu> I'll go have a look
[03:01] <ubuntu> bye for now
[03:02] <Shufla> hello :>
[03:02] <CaPS_> Another question, on a fresh install, what steps do I take to get Rhythmbox to play MP3 for me ? :)
[03:02] <ogra> CaPS_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:03] <pmfp> I always thought it was just the encoding part that was illegal to redistribute without license (or something), not the decoding
[03:03] <pmfp> for mp3 at leats
[03:04] <pmfp> s/leats/least
[03:04] <CaPS_> pmfp, afaik that's correct.
[03:04] <ogra> pmfp: you have to pay fraunhofer for distributing the decoder, its patented
[03:05] <ogra> pmfp: on a CD that is
[03:05] <CaPS_> well, I for one don't feel like recoding everything into ogg :P
[03:05] <CaPS_> ogra, thanks though, that'll get me going.
[03:05] <ogra> :)
[03:05] <zaeem> hi all
[03:05] <pmfp> CaPS_: I think you're doing right in that... personally don't think ogg is equally good, imho
[03:05] <pmfp> zaeem: hi
[03:06] <CaPS_> This is a startling experience. I join this Linux help channel and I actually get helped. I've been using Linux for years, but this is new ;P
[03:06] <ogra> pmfp: ogg is as good as mp3
[03:06] <zaeem> pmfp: used parted?
[03:06] <pmfp> zaeem: ask openly and descriptevly in the channel and you're more likely to get help
[03:06] <agenteo> I'm using jigdo-lite to download a DVD iso from a web repository, the file is sized around 4GB, the process ends when the file become 2GB sized! Someone has experienced this problem or know a solution?
[03:06] <zaeem> pmfp: righto..
[03:07] <vegai> ogg is better than mp3
[03:07] <pmfp> in my personal opinion, nah
[03:07] <vegai> but coding your existing mp3 into ogg makes a mess, off course :)
[03:07] <vegai> of*
[03:08] <zaeem> i would like to split my root partition into multiple without any data loss and preferably without unmounting it..its reiser4 and scsi...is it possible?
[03:08] <occy> is there a net install?
[03:08] <pmfp> zaeem: if you can resize the partitions, yes
[03:09] <occy> or floppy disc install?  My cd rom seems like it might be having issues.
[03:09] <zaeem> pmfp: care to explain?
[03:09] <ogra> zaeem: why do you want to do that ? ot only raises the latency.....
[03:09] <pmfp> zaeem: make a backup, resize the partition and create appropriate new ones, mount them at the right place, and move the contents
[03:09] <occy> course, where I'd get floppies, I have no idea.
[03:09] <CaPS_> Oooh synaptic
[03:09] <CaPS_> <insert more oooh ahhh sounds>
[03:10] <ogra> CaPS_: you should see the upcoming release ;)
[03:10] <zaeem> ogra: multiple partitions on the same disk increase latency??
[03:11] <zaeem> pmfp: the problem is that neither cdrom nor floppy are operational and no replacement
[03:11] <occy> FC3 failed when I tried to install  (media issues it says)
[03:11] <occy> heh
[03:11] <ogra> zaeem: sure, you force the head to start and stop all the time....there are not much reasons to split
[03:11] <occy> So I'm guessing it's the cdrom
[03:12] <CaPS_> ogra, heh :)
[03:12] <occy> hmm
[03:12] <zaeem> ogra: any links where i can get some info for my boss...:(
[03:12] <CaPS_> ogra, let me get used to this first. I'm coming from Gentoo. I'll all upset Ubuntu is doing all sorts of stuff for me
[03:12] <CaPS_> :P
[03:12] <ogra> zaeem: nope, i think google is your friend there
[03:12] <Ran> hellohello, why there are so many Python packages in Ubuntu? (I like it, but I wonder anyway)
[03:12] <CaPS_> (upset in a "god, why did I do this shit myself" way)
[03:12] <ogra> zaeem: why does he want this ?
[03:13] <pmfp> Ran: so that you can install parts of python and it's addons without forcing on you all addons
[03:13] <zaeem> ogra: long reasons..leave it
[03:13] <Kamion> Ran: the boss loves Python :)
[03:13] <ogra> zaeem: in certain setups more partitions make sense....
[03:14] <Ran> I thought that some Ubuntu only component ran on Python.
[03:14] <ogra> zaeem: they can also speed up if you put them on different disks......but on one disk it makes only sense if you plan to reinstall often or want to grow and shrink a certain part
[03:15] <ogra> all the time
[03:15] <CaPS_> Is there any way to upgrade Firefox to 1.0 through the package system at this time ? (preferably without moving forward to the unstable branche)
[03:15] <wezzer-> search at ubuntu forums
[03:15] <pmfp> CaPS_: yes, there's an unofficial source
[03:16] <ogra> CaPS_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[03:16] <wezzer-> there is a howto for upgrading firefox
[03:16] <pmfp> CaPS_: check wiki-plicki
[03:16] <CaPS_> ogra, that sounds encouraging
[03:16] <CaPS_> ;-)
[03:16] <ogra> hehe
[03:16] <Ran> whats wrong with firefox 1.0 that is not on official repository?
[03:16] <ogra> CaPS_: from last week (one of my favs):
[03:17] <ogra> [04:21:47]  <findme> this is a big crowd here
[03:17] <ogra> [04:21:53]  <findme> have all gentoo users moved here ?
[03:17] <ogra> hehe
[03:17] <odo> haha
[03:17] <CaPS_> :P
[03:17] <pmfp> Ran: A release version only recieves security updates until the next release distribution is ready
[03:17] <odo> Actually, I did use Gentoo before :)
[03:17] <pmfp> Ran: to maintain stability and security
[03:17] <odo> But I found out that Gentoo in a laptop is insane :)
[03:17] <CaPS_> ogra, Gentoo is nice. It just takes your firstborn and then a few years of your own life to deal with it ;-)
[03:18] <pmfp> har har, we bad arses modify the LFS and rolls our own distro
[03:18] <odo> I still run Gentoo on my fileserver but I'm considerring moving back to Debian when sarge is released as stable
[03:18] <occy> ogra heh
[03:19] <ogra> odo: why not ubuntu ?
[03:19] <occy> ogra any ability to install via network or something with ubuntu?
[03:19] <Ran> pmfp: When next Ubuntu verion is ready, will you have to update using the CD of you could be able to update just using the package manager?
[03:19] <pmfp> anybody working on a gtk-fb interface for the installer?
[03:19] <ogra> occy: i think you have to have a netboot capable NIC for that.....there is a doc: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/index.html
[03:20] <pmfp> Ran: you can just use the package manager. In fact, I just did... downloaded ~500 MB
[03:20] <Gaaruto> hi all
[03:20] <wezzer-> hello
[03:20] <odo> ogra: ubuntu is made desktops in mind...I don't see how ubuntu would be better in a server than debian
[03:20] <pmfp> Ran: or combine them, use the package manager to upgrade with the packages found on cd and net
[03:20] <Ran> pmfp: What version did you have and what version do you have now? (sorry for my English)
[03:21] <pmfp> Ran: Warty -> Hoary
[03:21] <ogra> odo: thats a wrong assumption, ubuntu is for servers and desktops as well, do a custom install
[03:21] <pmfp> Ran: where are you from?
[03:21] <zverj> hello. can someone help me with nfs server setup? i run nfs-common and nfs-kernel server but client says server is down
[03:21] <Ran> pmfp: Argentina
[03:21] <ogra> odo: ubuntulinux.org runs on ubuntu for example.....and it is hit by a heavy userbase
[03:22] <pmfp> Ran: puedo hablar un poco espaol, pero no muy bien..
[03:22] <Ran> pmfp: de donde sos?
[03:22] <pmfp> bronson: suecia
[03:22] <pmfp> ooops
[03:22] <pmfp> Ran: Suecia
[03:22] <ogra> Ran: you can upgrade your ubuntu the next ten years with just the apt-get dist-upgrade command, thats the advantage of apt, nothing breaks ;)
[03:23] <odo> ogra: well, I have to think about it but I still think that I'll keep ubuntu in desktop use for now :)
[03:23] <Ran> ogra: Ubuntu is pretty new, how come do you know if will be alive in 10 years?
[03:23] <occy> ogra as long as you stick to stable :)
[03:23] <occy> Ran Ubuntu is based on Debian which has been around for eons
[03:24] <Ran> No flame intented, but I saw a lot of movement in linux distros lately
[03:24] <ubuntu> It worked like a charm ogra: just added the two modules to blacklist, no more error mesage!
[03:24] <ogra> Ran: occy is right.... you have to stick to stable indeed.... i just belive in ubuntu and am willing to give it my energy for the next ten years ;)
[03:24] <zverj> hello. can someone help me with nfs server setup? i run nfs-common and nfs-kernel server but client says server is down
[03:24] <ogra> ubuntu: ;)
[03:25] <Ran> Conectiva was a major hit here in Southamerica and doesn't exist now (at least is not used anymore)
[03:25] <Lathiat> zverj: have you setup /etc/exports?
[03:25] <ogra> Ran: and as i think there are oters thinking the same, it will......
[03:25] <zverj> Lathiat, yes
[03:25] <abelli> hi all...
[03:25] <Lathiat> zverj: did you restart the server after doing so?
[03:25] <occy> Ran Of course, as I always say, "Triple your money back if you aren't 100% satisfied."[tm] 
[03:25] <zverj> Lathiat, yes
[03:25] <ogra> Ran: ubuntu has a big backing by debian developers.....
[03:25] <Lathiat> zverj: do you have a fiewall?
[03:26] <zverj> Lathiat, nope
[03:26] <abelli> the installer is stuck at 36% [istalling core packages] ... does someone know something about known issues?
[03:26] <Lathiat> *fire
[03:26] <Lathiat> zverj: is portmap installed
[03:26] <Ran> RedHat quit desktop (ok, there is Fedora now). Corel was big player here also, now disapeared.
[03:26] <zverj> Lathiat, nope
[03:26] <Lathiat> zverj: needs to be :)
[03:26] <ubuntu> I have another error mesage: address space collision on region 8 of bridge?
[03:26] <occy> Ran Corel never was a big player.
[03:26] <ogra> zverj: there is a howto in the wiki, how to adjust the portmap setup for nfs
[03:27] <zverj> Lathiat, oh sorry, is
[03:27] <NickGray> is there any way to do a "Yes to All" to an mget command in FTP?
[03:27] <occy> slackware, debian, redhat, those things are all still around.
[03:27] <occy> and won't go away
[03:27] <Lathiat> zverj: see the howto mentioned
[03:27] <occy> anyhoo
[03:27] <Lathiat> NickGray: which ftp client
[03:27] <Ran> Corel in Argentina was important, most stores sold computers with Corel Linux pre installed. To avoid paying MS fee.
[03:27] <occy> Ran, wrong channel to debate such things.
[03:27] <zverj> Lathiat, thanks
[03:27] <NickGray> I'm using the FTP command in the shell.
[03:27] <Lathiat> #pihilosophy :)
[03:28] <Lathiat> zverj: if its still not working
[03:28] <Lathiat> zverj: let us know, also might wanna check syslog
[03:28] <Lathiat> zverj: make sure your /etc/exports was formatted right, etc
[03:28] <Ran> occy: Sorry, wont talk about it.
[03:28] <ogra> NickGray: look in the help for prom
[03:28] <occy> Ran no worries mate
[03:28] <NickGray> ok
[03:28] <NickGray> thanks ogra, I'll try that
[03:28] <ogra> NickGray: switches prompting off afair
[03:29] <occy> man, what a bummer about my CD.
[03:29] <occy> bbiab
[03:30] <e-Jah> ho connection problem, excuse me if you received my precedent message, but i will resay it :)
[03:30] <e-Jah> jiyuu0: are you here please ? to propose you to add something to the ubuntuguide :)
[03:31] <ogra> Lathiat: portmap is installed by default, else fam would not work, but external access is disabled
[03:31] <CaPS_> ogra: I tried looking for a howto on those links you gave me earlier, but no success... Any hints as how to get alsa up and running ("The Ubuntu Way"?,  I'd prefer not to mess with the system myself, but rather use the tools available :P )
[03:32] <ogra> CaPS_: you only need to load the right modules....tats enough in ubuntu...but sometimes the sound gets blocked by other modules....is this a laptop ?
[03:32] <CaPS_> nope
[03:33] <CaPS_> afaik, it's not even exotic hardware :)
[03:33] <ogra> CaPS_: what kind of soundcard ?
[03:33] <ogra> CaPS_: lspci
[03:33] <CaPS_> hold on
[03:33] <CaPS_> oh dear
[03:34] <CaPS_> 2.6.7 on gentoo thought it'd be ok if it crashed every once in a while. 2.6.8 thinks it doesn't recognize my soundcard
[03:34] <CaPS_> bugger all
[03:34] <ogra> CaPS_: look with lspci
[03:34] <CaPS_> yes, I did
[03:34] <CaPS_> 0000:02:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Aval Nagasaki Corporation: Unknown device 5880 (rev 02)
[03:34] <CaPS_> :)
[03:35] <ogra> ugh
[03:35] <CaPS_> hold on, I'll find the name in the old gentoo config
[03:36] <CaPS_> ensonic 1371 chipset
[03:36] <CaPS_> the realtek 8139's of the sound world :P
[03:37] <ogra> CaPS_: the right module is snd-ens1371
[03:37] <ogra> CaPS_: look if its loaded
[03:37] <CaPS_> it's not according to lsmod.
[03:37] <ogra> CaPS_: load it ;)
[03:38] <CaPS_> ok, now loaded. no errors.. Let's see what rhythmbox has to say to that
[03:38] <ogra> CaPS_: you probably also need snd-mixer-oss
[03:38] <CaPS_> I modprobe'd it
[03:39] <ogra> CaPS_: and esd may not be running if it wasnt loaded on gnome start
[03:39] <CaPS_> /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
[03:39] <CaPS_> :/
[03:39] <CaPS_> (when running esd on the terminal)
[03:40] <ogra> CaPS_: try snd-pcm-oss
[03:40] <CaPS_> same
[03:41] <_guMuTpoB> pls I need some help getting my ISA card run on Ubuntu
[03:41] <ogra> CaPS_: hmm.... cound you post the output of: lsmod|grep snd          to #flood
[03:42] <CaPS_> I'll pastebin it
[03:42] <ogra> k
[03:42] <CaPS_> http://pastebin.com/134451
[03:43] <_guMuTpoB> pls somebody help me get my ISA Yahama 719 audio card run on Ubuntu
[03:43] <ogra> CaPS_: looks absolutely ok.....
[03:44] <CaPS_> ogra: Rhythmbox is saying.. (hold on)..
[03:44] <ogra> CaPS_: try adding snd-ens1371 to /etc/modules and rebott, probably the load order is wrong, so let hotplug care
[03:44] <CaPS_> couldn't open resource for writing
[03:44] <CaPS_> couldn't pause play back
[03:45] <ACIDnet> whats the command to mount a windows share using a different username to the one your loged in on???
[03:46] <CaPS_> ok, I'll try that ogra
[03:46] <ogra> CaPS_: RB is missing the esd backend ;)
[03:46] <CaPS_> ogra: that's a horrible error message then
[03:46] <CaPS_> ;-)
[03:46] <ogra> CaPS_: heh
[03:47] <CaPS_> ogra: does it matter where I put this snd-es1371 in that file? top/bottom?
[03:47] <albator> hi there
[03:47] <ogra> CaPS_: nope... hotplug should care for the right order
[03:47] <CaPS_> should I run anything after touching this file?
[03:47] <albator> i've a problem with nforce3 chipset
[03:48] <ogra> CaPS_: nope, just add the module name to the end
[03:48] <CaPS_> ok
[03:48] <CaPS_> be back in a bit
[03:49] <_guMuTpoB> pls somebody tell me how to set up my ubuntu use isa audio card
[03:50] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: this card needs the snd-opl3sa2 module i think....
[03:51] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: as its isa, you will need to specify a lot of options i guess.....
[03:51] <zenwhen> hey ogra
[03:51] <Kamion> pmfp: gtk-fb installer> yes, I am, in the background
[03:51] <paulproteus> ogra: "Usually" you can get by with no options.
[03:51] <zenwhen> You know much about sound issues?
[03:51] <paulproteus> albator: Feel free to talk about it more.
[03:51] <_guMuTpoB> whatever is neccessary
[03:51] <zenwhen> albator here is having a serious one.
[03:52] <albator> yeah
[03:52] <_guMuTpoB> just tell me how or a resource where to get the info
[03:52] <albator> :
[03:52] <ogra> so everybody with a sound issue align in a row please ;)
[03:52] <paulproteus> albator: I seem to not have successfully received your message.  Might be an encodings issue.
[03:53] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: modinfo snd-opl3sa2 will show you all possible options
[03:53] <albator> lol i've typed the accentuated "a"
[03:53] <albator> (i'm french)
[03:53] <ogra> paulproteus: even with isa ?
[03:53] <paulproteus> ogra: "Often", at least, if not "usually". :)
[03:53] <ogra> heh
[03:54] <_guMuTpoB> yeah i see alot of stuff here i got no idea whats for ;)
[03:54] <albator> nobody has nforce3 chipset ?
[03:54] <shebroman> can anyone explain why my eth1 (wireless) connection shows a signal strength of 40% ?
[03:54] <_guMuTpoB> and how should i use this info, im a newbie :(
[03:54] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: i guess you will need to specify the right port, irq and dma settings for basic sound
[03:55] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: do you know which values this card uses normally ?
[03:55] <_guMuTpoB> i can acuire them
[03:56] <_guMuTpoB> from my winboze system
[03:56] <albator> from the boot sequence too i think
[03:56] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: ok, do this.... write them down and then come back....
[03:56] <_guMuTpoB> ok
[03:56] <_guMuTpoB> ill do :)
[03:56] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: isa is always a bit tricky
[03:56] <paulproteus> ogra: (Have him try without first.)
[03:56] <_guMuTpoB> do you use icq ?
[03:57] <shebroman> slow wifi
[03:57] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: paulproteus is right...
[03:57] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: just try: modprobe snd-opl3sa2
[03:57] <_guMuTpoB> ok
[03:57] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: in a root terminal
[03:57] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: and see what happens
[03:57] <albator> seems that everybody is in trouble with sound
[03:57] <albator> lol
[03:58] <ogra> albator: that indicates everything else is working fine, isnt that great ? ;)
[03:58] <shebroman> wireless eth1 slow ....whats up with that?
[03:58] <albator> oh it is
[03:58] <zenwhen> Protip: Buy an OEM SB Audigy :)
[03:58] <albator> everything is going well for me too
[03:58] <albator> but still no sound
[03:58] <albator> :x
[03:58] <zenwhen> Creative cards in Linux are great.
[03:59] <HcE> audigy 2 also?
[03:59] <zenwhen> I suppose.
[03:59] <albator> yeah audigy 2 works too
[03:59] <zenwhen> But the Audigy is cheaper.
[03:59] <zenwhen> :P
[03:59] <albator> i've seen it working
[03:59] <zenwhen> I really dont need 24 bit sound with mp3s
[04:00] <albator> i just need sound
[04:00] <albator> :x
[04:00] <HcE> hehe
[04:00] <HcE> don't have onboard?
[04:00] <zenwhen> he does
[04:00] <shebroman> i guess around here you really got to wait your turn HAh ?
[04:00] <zenwhen> but it wont work
[04:00] <zenwhen> albator, whats the model of your motherboard
[04:00] <albator> it's in a barebone
[04:00] <albator> Soltek Qbic
[04:00] <zenwhen> Ill research ti for you. Ive nothing better to do.
[04:00] <_guMuTpoB> well nothing happened
[04:01] <HcE> what does lspci say about Multimedia?
[04:01] <albator> i've already tried everything i've found by google
[04:01] <paulproteus> _guMuTpoB: 'dmesg' also says nothing happened?
[04:01] <zenwhen> albator,
[04:01] <albator> you want me to paste lscpi ?
[04:01] <zenwhen> is there a model number
[04:01] <zenwhen> along with the Qbic
[04:01] <zenwhen> albator,
[04:01] <zenwhen> no no no
[04:01] <ogra> albator: yep, in #flood please
[04:01] <albator> yes zenwhen
[04:01] <albator> hold on
[04:01] <nde> hell
[04:01] <zenwhen> yeah there
[04:02] <nde> erm..hello
[04:02] <albator> EQ-3801A
[04:02] <albator> nforce 3 250Gb
[04:03] <philipss> hello
[04:03] <albator> philipss, french spotted ^
[04:03] <philipss> :)
[04:03] <ogra> albator: join #flood..... and paste the whole output there
[04:03] <nde> any dutch ppl around ?
[04:03] <stvn> nde: yep
[04:03] <stvn> nde: in #ubuntu-nl
[04:04] <nde> thx
[04:05] <philipss> i've got some problems with Xorg/nvidia-glx under a mixed warty/hoary (apt-pinned) .. Basically Xorg doesn't find the glx module, though nvidia-glx is installed. xserver-xfree86 is removed. Any idea ?
[04:05] <albator> ogra, done
[04:05] <ogra> yup, seen it
[04:05] <CaPS_> orga: rebooted, didn't work. Pulled open my machine, changed PCI slots, booted.. worked fine. Must've gotten loose while I moved it yesterday.
[04:05] <ogra> philipss: you shouldnt mix
[04:06] <albator> +1
[04:06] <albator> mix is not safe
[04:06] <philipss> yeah but i configured priorities in my apt preferences file
[04:07] <albator> i've just added sarge sources, no need to mix
[04:07] <albator> dangerous i think
[04:07] <nde> hmm, seems ubuntu is pretty popular eh ? :)
[04:07] <philipss> i don't think my nvidia/xorg pb is related to the mix
[04:07] <albator> i dont think too
[04:07] <ogra> philipss: may be, but who sould help you with such a setup.....if nobody knows which package may be wrong or with wrong deps
[04:07] <HcE> albator: modprobe snd-cmipci
[04:07] <HcE> albator: I would think supports your chop
[04:08] <ogra> albator: HcE is right
[04:08] <albator> i've deleted him to load nvsound
[04:08] <albator> :x
[04:08] <HcE> s/chop/chip/
[04:08] <philipss> ogra: i can supply dpkg -l output ;)
[04:08] <albator> and it was loaded since i've installed ubuntu but there was no sound
[04:09] <albator> default installation load snd-cmipci
[04:09] <HcE> and add it to /etc/modules
[04:09] <zenwhen> It should have been working... thats the odd thing. Every person I can find who had that chip said it worked by default.
[04:09] <zenwhen> In Ubuntu. :/
[04:09] <albator> add what ? cmipci ?
[04:10] <albator> argh
[04:10] <ogra> albator: snd-cmipci
[04:10] <philipss> so nobody wants to help me ? :(
[04:10] <zenwhen> Are you using digital out?
[04:10] <albator> anyone can send me warty snd-cmipci.so ?
[04:10] <albator> nope
[04:10] <albator> classic sound output
[04:10] <zenwhen> philipss, \
[04:10] <ogra> philipss: please do a full upgrade or stick with stable.....
[04:11] <zenwhen> #1, it is broken right now. You either run hoary or you dont run hoary's xorg. #2 Mixing the two isnt supported.
[04:11] <Kamion> occy: current daily confirmed broken, bug #4958 reopened again
[04:11] <philipss> i'd like to, but i heard that instable in ubuntu world is not like unstable in debian world :)
[04:12] <zenwhen> It works fine for most people.
[04:12] <zenwhen> The only people who talk about it ae the ones having issues.
[04:12] <ogra> philipss: thats why you should stick with stable....xorg looks exactly the same as xfree, you dont gain anything with the mix
[04:13] <albator> i dont have snd-cmipci anymore
[04:13] <philipss> well, maybe in fact ... i'll reinstall xserver-xfree86
[04:13] <albator> deleted it
[04:13] <ogra> philipss: not sure if that works, but try it
[04:13] <ogra> albator: you deleted the module ?
[04:13] <albator> yep
[04:13] <albator> (i know its bad)
[04:14] <ogra> argh, why ?
[04:14] <albator> because it was loading instead of nvsound
[04:14] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: and ?
[04:14] <_guMuTpoB> and it works :)
[04:14] <ogra> albator: so you should have blacklisted it
[04:14] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: YAY
[04:14] <_guMuTpoB> :))
[04:14] <_guMuTpoB> ty
[04:14] <ogra> :)
[04:14] <_guMuTpoB> now have to install some mp3 player
[04:15] <paulproteus> Um, is 'nvsound' OSS?  'Cause that's deprecated.
[04:15] <albator> yes it's OSS
[04:15] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: there already is one, you only need the codec....
[04:15] <albator> i've killed alsa too
[04:15] <albator> and ESD
[04:15] <albator> i've tryed so much things
[04:15] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:15] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: look for gstreamer mad
[04:16] <CaPS_> hah
[04:16] <CaPS_> ogra: worked out. pci card got loose in it's slot.
[04:16] <CaPS_> Working like a charm now
[04:17] <_guMuTpoB> ok one more question is it normal to have oss and alsa running at the same time ?
[04:17] <ogra> hehe....HW probs, lol
[04:17] <philipss> ok xfree reinstalled :/
[04:17] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: you mean snd-pcm-oss ?
[04:17] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: and the mixer ?
[04:17] <_guMuTpoB> in mixer i see oss and alsa
[04:18] <paulproteus> _guMuTpoB: You should use the ALSA mixer.
[04:18] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: thats for app compatibility, it will go away eventually....
[04:18] <paulproteus> It's more complete.
[04:18] <albator> dont understand anything at all this sound stuff now... :(
[04:18] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: some apps still require oss, so alsa emulates it
[04:18] <_guMuTpoB> ic
[04:19] <ogra> _guMuTpoB: if the apps are updated it will get dropped completely
[04:22] <albator> so what can i do to have sound working ?
[04:22] <albator> maybe reinstall ubuntu ?
[04:22] <drelch> hi
[04:23] <albator> hi
[04:23] <ogra> albator: look which linux-image package you have installed......
[04:23] <CaPS_> What's a good RSS reader for Gnome?
[04:23] <ogra> albator: then reinstall it with synaptic (there is a explicit reinstall option iirc)
[04:24] <albator> that's easy
[04:24] <ogra> CaPS_: i like liferea
[04:24] <albator> already done
[04:24] <ogra> albator: look if the module exists again
[04:24] <albator> 2.6.8.1-4-686
[04:24] <drelch> i've got a little question towards nautilus: my nautilus is really naked :) I've got no adressbar and no treestructure and such other stuff. only my browsewindow is shown. but i coulnd't find any settings to activate these things. does anybody know where i can activate these things?
[04:25] <ogra> drelch: right klick on a folder, select browse
[04:25] <drelch> well ok and then?
[04:25] <drelch> ah ok :)
[04:26] <paulproteus> ogra: I suggest rm -rf-ing /lib/modules/his-kernel/ before doing reinstall.
[04:26] <paulproteus> If he has extra modules lying around.
[04:26] <ogra> paulproteus: reinstall should just unpack the package again....
[04:26] <zenwhen> Computer > Desktop Preferences > File Management > Behaviour > Put a check in "Always open in browser Windows"
[04:26] <albator> ogra, done, i reboot now brb
[04:26] <ogra> paulproteus: extra modules ?
[04:27] <drelch> ah ok great :) thank you a lot
[04:27] <ogra> paulproteus: did i miss this ?
[04:27] <zenwhen> no problem
[04:28] <CaPS_> It must be done.
[04:28] <paulproteus> ogra: nothing, never mind.
[04:29] <paulproteus> I'm making things up because I'm not paying attention.
[04:29] <ogra> paulproteus: lets see how he comes back.....
[04:29] <albator> re
[04:30] <albator> ok now i'm back with CMIPCI stuff
[04:30] <ogra> with or whithout sound ?
[04:30] <albator> still without
[04:30] <ogra> albator: but CMIPCI is loaded ?
[04:30] <albator> yep
[04:31] <albator> want me to paste lsmod ?
[04:31] <ogra> albator: post the output of: lsmod|grep snd            in #flood
[04:32] <albator> done
[04:32] <ogra> thats all ?
[04:32] <albator> yep
[04:32] <albator> nothing more
[04:32] <albator> never
[04:32] <ogra> snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss are missing
[04:33] <albator> oh ?
[04:33] <albator> ok modprobe done for both
[04:33] <GenghisKhan> hello, anyone has tested kde with ubuntu?
[04:33] <ogra> albator: add them to /etc/modules
[04:34] <albator> ok
[04:34] <ogra> GenghisKhan: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu/
[04:34] <albator> ogra, done
[04:34] <GenghisKhan> ogra: yes i know kubunto
[04:35] <huttan> anyone know of a good program to assign mouskeys ?
[04:35] <albator> but it's the same if i modprobe them now non ?
[04:35] <GenghisKhan> ogra: i mean kde with the warty release, how well it is shipped?
[04:35] <ogra> albator: not sure, hotplug cares for the load order on boot.....
[04:35] <albator> so i rebbot
[04:35] <albator> and then we'll see
[04:35] <Riddell> GenghisKhan: universe contains KDE 3.2
[04:35] <ogra> GenghisKhan: dunno, i dont touch QT stuff
[04:36] <ogra> GenghisKhan: but Riddell is your man
[04:36] <GenghisKhan> i want to change to ubuntu, but i use kde
[04:36] <HcE> try using Gnome 2.8 too?
[04:36] <HcE> =)
[04:36] <albator> oh yeah
[04:36] <albator> i was using KDE for years
[04:36] <Riddell> GenghisKhan: I recommend installing ubuntu then insalling KDE 3.3 from hoary
[04:36] <albator> now i'm a gnome user
[04:36] <albator> :D
[04:37] <GenghisKhan> ok. thanks riddell
[04:37] <GenghisKhan> i hope that it comes configured similar to the one in sarge
[04:37] <ogra> Riddell: be careful with distro mixing....... it will likely break other stuff if youre not a pinning expert
[04:38] <Riddell> ogra: in all my years of doing such I've never had any problems
[04:38] <ogra> Riddell: with ubuntu ?
[04:38] <GenghisKhan> im happy with kde 3.2 is the one i'm using
[04:39] <ogra> Riddell: there are many differences between warty and hoary.... and mixing is not supported at all
[04:40] <Riddell> ogra: it doesn't cause any problems, it will upgrade any package that needs an upgrade, as long as the packages are made properly there's no reason it should go wrong
[04:40] <Riddell> it's when you want to downgrade that's the problem
[04:40] <ogra> Riddell: i dont talk about kde, its the lower level where you will get breakages.... the official advise from mdz and jdub is either do a full upgrade or stick with warty... if aou are unhappy with hoary, reinstall
[04:41] <Riddell> pah, they know nothing :)
[04:41] <ogra> Riddell: lol
[04:43] <zerok> hi :-)
[04:44] <zerok> short question: what filesystems does the installer support? XFS?
[04:45] <ogra> zerok: not for / (officially)
[04:45] <zerok> :-(
[04:45] <ogra> zerok: but:
[04:45] <ogra> ogra@monkey:~ $ mount
[04:45] <ogra> /dev/hda5 on / type xfs (rw)
[04:46] <albator> :(
[04:46] <zerok> ogra, well, i wanted to use it on my laptop where i only have one partition for linux :-)
[04:47] <ogra> zerok: grub will hang on installation with xfs as /
[04:47] <zerok> ogra, is there perhaps also lilo?
[04:47] <ogra> zerok: and you will nedd a swap partition indeed
[04:47] <zerok> ogra, yeah, forgot that :-)
[04:47] <ogra> zerok: there is, but there is also a workaround ......
[04:47] <zerok> ogra, i currently have gentoo on this machine with reiser4
[04:48] <ogra> zerok: redhat runs grub twice.....that shall work around it....
[04:48] <ogra> zerok: it may or may not work....
[04:48] <ogra> zerok: for me it did :)
[04:49] <zerok> ogra, tnx :-) i will give it a try tonight. if it doesn't work out it shouldn't be a problem anyway :-)
[04:49] <albator> ogra, it is exactly like before : mute
[04:50] <ogra> albator: how does the mixer behave if you try to use it ?
[04:50] <albator> how i use it ?
[04:50] <ogra> albator: right click the mixer applet.....
[04:51] <ogra> albator: and open the volume control
[04:52] <albator> everything is in highest value
[04:52] <ogra> albator: any checkboxes checked ?
[04:52] <ogra> albator: mute i mean....
[04:52] <albator> mute is uncheked everywhere
[04:53] <albator> everything else is checked
[04:53] <ogra> albator: in both mixer tavs ?
[04:53] <ogra> tabs
[04:53] <albator> don't have tabs
[04:53] <albator> just columns
[04:54] <ogra> albator: what does the title say, there should be two tabs normally, one alsa mixer and one oss mixer
[04:55] <albator> it only says "volume control"
[04:55] <albator> PCM is lower value
[04:55] <albator> and Synth too
[04:55] <albator> when i change settings there are not saved
[04:55] <albator> o_O
[04:56] <ogra> albator: ahem, are you using hoary ?
[04:56] <albator> no
[04:56] <albator> warty
[04:56] <ogra> albator: hmm....
[04:57] <KreaCH> hi, i have an old pc (new for me) and i want to give it internet connection, but i'm not allowed to plug it in the router downstairs which is the best solution to split my connection in 2 ?
[04:58] <HcE> KreaCH: switch, or you could use to NICs in one machine and set up iptables
[04:58] <HcE> or a network bridge
[04:59] <ogra> albator: it should look like that: www.grawert.net/mixer_shot.png
[04:59] <albator> i have the same window
[04:59] <albator> without tabs
[04:59] <ogra> albator: else either the alsa or the oss mixer are missing
[05:00] <ogra> albator: but you need both
[05:00] <nakee> warty is stable or unstable?
[05:00] <albator> stable
[05:01] <ogra> nakee: stable
[05:01] <marjorie> another day another install...
[05:01] <albator> seb128, french spotted again ^^
[05:01] <ogra> nakee: boring stable ;)
[05:01] <marjorie> this time a compaq p4 lappy
[05:02] <nakee> where can I download the unstable from?
[05:02] <seb128> albator: ?
[05:02] <nakee> all the links in the site are to the stable
[05:02] <ogra> marjorie: probably some help: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[05:02] <ogra> nakee: install stable and upgrade
[05:02] <albator> seb128, wanadoo.fr so you're french (i'm too)
[05:02] <nakee> ogra ha thanks:)
[05:02] <seb128> oh ok
[05:02] <ogra> nakee: but be warned, unstable _means_ unstable
[05:03] <seb128> albator: FYI  there is a #ubuntu-fr
[05:03] <ogra> nakee: its not debian sid !
[05:03] <albator> seb128, thanks
[05:03] <nakee> ogra I need to work on the platform that would be the next release
[05:03] <ogra> nakee: seb128 breaks it all the time ;-P
[05:04] <seb128> ah ah
[05:04] <ogra> nakee: indeed he also fixes it with much beauty......
[05:05] <albator> i'm going to reinstall all this stuff
[05:05] <albator> and then if i still have no sound
[05:05] <nakee> ogra how far away is next release?
[05:05] <ogra> nakee: april
[05:05] <grepper> morning
[05:05] <albator> i throw this f**** computer through the window
[05:05] <anir> hi all
[05:05] <anir> how are you gyys
[05:05] <anir> guys
[05:05] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[05:05] <grepper> anyone know how to update the menu system after adding a new desktop file to /usr/share/applications ?
[05:06] <grepper> (aside from logging out and in)
[05:06] <ogra> grepper: kill the panel
[05:06] <zerok> grepper, killall gnome-panel && gnome-panel
[05:06] <zerok> too slow *g*
[05:06] <grepper> zerok, tried that already
[05:06] <ogra> zerok: add a & in the end
[05:06] <nakee> ogra I'm going to try to get hebrew support into it by then, i'm just afriad that if I work on stable I would need to report everything to horay
[05:06] <grepper> it reloaded but didn't add it
[05:06] <zerok> ogra, i always do this i gmrun or something like that *g*
[05:06] <nakee> hoary even
[05:07] <linux_mafia> grepper, you on hoary?
[05:07] <Kamion> nakee: have you tried the current installer? Hebrew should work reasonably well ...
[05:07] <grepper> oh, wait . . .
[05:07] <ogra> nakee: you probably should contact sivang if he is around.....
[05:08] <nde> Shouldn't I be able to login on localhost:901 after I've apt-get install swat ?
[05:08] <albator> with apache running yes
[05:08] <albator> i guess
[05:08] <nakee> ogra what is his job?he is the one responsible for localizations?
[05:08] <nde> it is
[05:08] <nde> i keep getting connection refuser
[05:08] <albator> on port 80 ?
[05:08] <ogra> nakee: he makes some hebrew stuff iirc
[05:08] <nde> apache is on 80 yes
[05:09] <nde> swat on 901
[05:09] <nakee> ok thanks
[05:09] <albator> so it wont help on 901
[05:09] <nde> ?
[05:09] <albator> apache is doing http on port 80
[05:09] <albator> not 901
[05:09] <albator> but i dont know swat
[05:09] <nde> i know
[05:09] <albator> so i cant help
[05:09] <albator> sorry
[05:09] <nde> :/
[05:10] <anir> how can i watch tv on ubuntu
[05:10] <albator> tv suxx ^^
[05:10] <nde> slide a live-cd underneath ur tv-set :P
[05:11] <anir> albator why??
[05:12] <anir> if u cant give a good solution...better shut up
[05:12] <Nonphasis> doesn't ubuntu have rc.local?
[05:12] <ogra> Nonphasis: look for bootmisc.sh
[05:13] <Nonphasis> k
[05:14] <Nonphasis> hmm, i wonder whether that file is "owned" by the system in a manner that it will be overwritten on some update...
[05:14] <albator> anir you dont understand humour ?
[05:15] <ogra> Nonphasis: nope.... it would ask you before it would do....debian/ubuntu is very polite there
[05:15] <Nonphasis> is this bootmisc run towards the beg or end of bootup?
[05:16] <jonmasters> http://photos.jonmasters.org/canonical_conference_mataro_2004
[05:16] <Nonphasis> I need to run something after alsa drivers are loaded (after hotplug i think)
[05:16] <jonmasters> (finally uploaded those photos)
[05:16] <jonmasters> Not labelled everything yet. But meh.
[05:16] <jonmasters> :-)
[05:16] <grepper> never mind, too early, I forgot to change a line in the desktop file and didn't notice there was a dup
[05:17] <ogra> Nonphasis: huh ?
[05:17] <grepper> actually didn't have to kill the panel even
[05:17] <ogra> Nonphasis: what ?
[05:17] <grepper> must use something fam'ish
[05:17] <Nonphasis> well, I need to run some commands to get sound working in enemy territory
[05:17] <ogra> grepper: it does, but fam often hangs.... its crap....
[05:17] <ogra> Nonphasis: ah. ok
[05:18] <Nonphasis> and I assume the commands only work when alsa is started ok
[05:18] <ogra> Nonphasis: i thought to get sound workin
[05:18] <grepper> ok
[05:18] <ogra> g
[05:18] <mlambie> yoyoma!
[05:18] <Nonphasis> btw, sounds used to work in ET as well but some alsa-drivers update or whatever broke it
[05:18] <ogra> Nonphasis: you could write a script and add it to the gnome session....
[05:18] <Nonphasis> well, the script needs to be run as root
[05:18] <grepper> ogra, is there a menu editor ?
[05:19] <Nonphasis> perhaps i could setuid it
[05:19] <ogra> grepper: nope.... open nautilus, press ctrl-L and type in: applications://
[05:19] <ogra> grepper: now create launchers with a right click
[05:20] <grepper> ogra, cool thanks, just what I wanted.  I'm used to KDE and havn't used gnome much
[05:23] <Nonphasis> -rwsr-sr-x    1 root     ville         122 Nov 18 20:50 etsound
[05:24] <Nonphasis> shouldn't that already run as root when I run it as normal user?
[05:25] <mjg59> Nonphasis: Depends on whether or not it drops capabilities
[05:25] <mjg59> Oh, if it's a script it won't run as root
[05:25] <mjg59> linux doesn't support suid scripts
[05:25] <Nonphasis> damn
[05:25] <Nonphasis> i guess i need to run it at boot time then
[05:26] <Nonphasis> I just hate looking up how to do it every time, because it's so rare...
[05:27] <Nonphasis> assuming that bootmisc.sh is run early in the boot process
[05:30] <Nonphasis> can i specify a command that doesn't need password for sudoing?
[05:31] <scizzo> Nonphasis: sudo -s -H
[05:31] <scizzo> Nonphasis: type the pass...then you can do what ever
[05:31] <Nonphasis> but i need to run it at start of gnome session automatically
[05:31] <Nonphasis> kickban
[05:32] <jonmasters> lol
[05:32] <ogra> move him to flood :)
[05:34] <zerok> ogra, something for bash.org ;-)
[05:34] <ogra> heh
[05:35] <ubuntu> I've really messed up my desktop trying to customize it, is there an easy way to set it back to how it was when I first installed?
[05:35] <Nonphasis> ubuntu: clean up your home directory?
[05:36] <ubuntu> I have to remove a .file
[05:36] <CaPS_> ogra, can I call upon you one more time? :)
[05:36] <ogra> CaPS_: shoot :)
[05:36] <zerok> ubuntu, rm -rf ~/.gnome* perhaps :-)
[05:36] <Nonphasis> ubuntu: rm .gnome* might work
[05:37] <ubuntu> ok I'll try
[05:37] <Nonphasis> ubuntu: do it outside gnome so files wont be rewritten
[05:37] <ogra> ubuntu:
[05:37] <Nonphasis> ubuntu: using failsafe terminal at login
[05:37] <CaPS_> ogra, trying to get my kmail email data into Evolution. I appear to have a maildir setup with kmail (many loose files). Cat'ing em into one big file doesn't make Evolution happy.. any suggestions on that one? :/
[05:37] <ogra> probably rm -rf ~/.gconf* too
[05:37] <ubuntu> thanks
[05:38] <ogra> CaPS_: hmm, evo has a importer, dunno if it works with kmail mail
[05:38] <CaPS_> evo's importer is not happy with my catted file..
[05:38] <ogra> CaPS_: there is some "first time flag" in the gconf editor if you want to force it.....
[05:39] <CaPS_> it's even so upset that it won't give me an error message.
[05:39] <CaPS_> :P
[05:39] <ogra> CaPS_: did you try the pure maildir ?
[05:39] <grepper> eboard seems a bit flaky
[05:40] <CaPS_> that won't work
[05:40] <grepper> maybe I should backport it to warty instead of using universe package
[05:40] <ogra> grepper: there are other gnuchess frontends.....
[05:40] <grepper> or maybe its just flaky :P
[05:40] <CaPS_> also, it won't even work when I select one of the maildir files :|
[05:40] <CaPS_> bah
[05:41] <grepper> its prettier than xboard tho, I'm building this box for my 9 year old nephew
[05:41] <grepper> I think I may try "Knights"
[05:44] <ogra> CaPS_: can you convert to  a single file in kmail ?
[05:45] <CaPS_> I doubt it
[05:45] <CaPS_> involves rebooting back into Gentoo, too :)
[05:45] <ogra> hmm...
[05:45] <CaPS_> but I suppose I'll try
[05:46] <Nonphasis> update-rc.d sucks sucks sucks
[05:46] <ogra> just cattinng into a file surely wont work
[05:46] <Ran> HELP!. After upgrading all packages, I lost ALL network conexion!. I am on another machine now. No ping, no ssh (in or out), anything works :(
[05:46] <Count0> Hi all, I try to evaluate Ubuntu using the live CD, but it fails booting: GRUB loading, please wait... Error 21 - Somebody who knows this?
[05:46] <ogra> Nonphasis: it is not supposed that you use it
[05:47] <Count0> BTW, md5sum is OK, image burnt twice, same result
[05:47] <ogra> Nonphasis: its a package manager backend
[05:47] <Nonphasis> ogra, well, I don't really feel like creating the symlinks manually...
[05:47] <ogra> Nonphasis: not for system administration
[05:47] <chapter3> i'm looking for information to be able to use my tv out port on my nvidia card
[05:47] <Nonphasis> perhaps I meant to say that sysvinit sucks :)
[05:47] <Ran> the logs says something strange, after the reboot, instead of my hostname, I see localhost
[05:48] <ogra> Nonphasis: adding and removing symlinks is the right way
[05:48] <JDahl> ran, what does ifconfig tell you?
[05:48] <CaPS_> I'll reboot and see if that'll work
[05:48] <Nonphasis> ogra, bootmisc.sh is probably run way too early in the boot so I need to create a "late" init script
[05:48] <ogra> Nonphasis: update-rc.d will overwrite all changes on next update
[05:48] <ogra> Nonphasis: and revert them .....
[05:49] <Nonphasis> ogra, ouch
[05:49] <ogra> Nonphasis: what i said :) not for admin stuff
[05:49] <Ran> JDahl: I will write it down and post it here. Please wait
[05:49] <zerok> see you later :-)
[05:49] <Nonphasis> ogra, but it doesn't revert manually created symlinks
[05:49] <Nonphasis> ?
[05:49] <ogra> Nonphasis: exact
[05:49] <JDahl> ran, just see if the info on eth0 looks sane for a start
[05:49] <Nonphasis> ok
[05:50] <Nonphasis> hmm, debian doesnt't seem to have chkconfig either
[05:50] <sivang> nakee : ping
[05:51] <JDahl> I am not flamebaiting, but what is the big benefit of update-rc?
[05:51] <ogra> Nonphasis: hmm, debian isnt gentoo or redhat ;)
[05:51] <ogra> Nonphasis: neither slack.....
[05:51] <Nonphasis> perhaps I should file a bug in bugzilla suggesting addition of rc.local that is run as the last thing in boot
[05:51] <Ran> JDahl: looks fine, inet add 192.168.1.77 (manually asigned for my internal network), bcast 192.168.1.255 and netmask 255.255.255.0
[05:51] <Kamion> JDahl: mu. update-rc.d is a tool for packages to use to automatically update rc.d symlinks. It isn't meant for users to use.
[05:52] <ogra> JDahl: scroll back and read my conversation with Nonphasis ;)
[05:52] <albator> re
[05:52] <albator> i'm back after ubuntu reinstall
[05:53] <Count0> Warty Warthog live CD: I cannot get it to qwork, it quits with GRUB Error 21 - anyone who can help?
[05:53] <ogra> albator: sound ?
[05:53] <albator> still no sound
[05:53] <albator> but tabs
[05:53] <albator> :D
[05:53] <ogra> :(
[05:53] <ogra> ahh
[05:53] <ogra> albator: are you sure your speakers work ?
[05:53] <Nonphasis> 4)  Next, link the new local file by running the following command in a console:
[05:53] <Nonphasis> update-rc.d local start 80 2 3 4 5 .
[05:54] <Nonphasis> http://www.desktop-linux.net/debian-rclocal.htm
[05:54] <Ran> JDahl: Could a firewall be on?
[05:54] <Nonphasis> they seem to suggest using update-rc.d manually...
[05:54] <albator> CMedia PCI [OSS Mixer]  and C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC6 [Alsa Mixer] 
[05:54] <ogra> Nonphasis: that doc seems wrong...who wrote it ?
[05:54] <albator> yes i'm sure
[05:54] <albator> i've booted under zindozs
[05:54] <albator> and sound rocks
[05:54] <JDahl> Ran, I doubt it... you cant even ping your own IP?
[05:54] <Nonphasis> ogra, no idea, the web page doesn't say
[05:54] <ogra> hmm
[05:55] <ogra> Nonphasis: as i said, you can use it, but will loose all changes on next update
[05:55] <Nonphasis> ogra, but frankly, this is the first time i heard update-rc isn't meant for end users, so it's kinda underdocumented
[05:55] <Ran> JDahl: I tried to ping the server to no avail, to external IPs, to no avail. I will try to ping my IP. hold on.
[05:56] <JDahl> ran, /var/sys/messsages might reveal what's wrong, or try /etc/init.d/networking restart
[05:56] <ogra> Nonphasis: it is just a misuse that has been documented by ppl that didnt know better..... the clean way is add/remove symlinks
[05:57] <Nonphasis> ogra, I think the easiest way would be rc.local a'la redhat + others
[05:57] <JDahl> ran, /var/log/messages...
[05:57] <Ran> JDahl: Ping to 192.168.1.77 works. Ping to my hostname (vicky2), works but it is directioned to 127.0.0.1
[05:57] <Nonphasis> ogra, so that newbies wouldn't need to think of sysvinit at all
[05:58] <JDahl> Ran, then you can probably fix it by going through the network setup in base-config
[05:58] <ogra> Nonphasis: there are gui tools in the work....
[05:59] <Ran> JDahl: being there, didn't see anything wrong.
[05:59] <Nonphasis> ogra, can some pre-perversions be d/led somewhere?
[05:59] <Ran> JDahl: sorry, "i've been" there
[06:00] <Ran> going to check tha logs.
[06:00] <ogra> Nonphasis: you would have to switch to hoary.....but have to live with instabilities....just wait till april
[06:00] <albator> why i can't save sound settings in the mixer ?
[06:00] <JDahl> Ran, other than checking /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf I am out of ideas
[06:01] <Nonphasis> ogra, ok, I will. in the meantime I think I'm going to bitch + moan about the issue on the mailing list ;-)
[06:01] <ogra> albator: they are saved on shutdown
[06:02] <albator> but when i change it and i close the windows
[06:02] <albator> if i go again in it
[06:02] <albator> everything is like i've never touched it
[06:02] <Nonphasis> damn, ubuntuforums.org doesn't allow anonymous posting. this definitely isn't my day
[06:02] <spikeb> heh nope it doens't
[06:02] <ogra> albator: if the sound works it behaves in another way
[06:02] <albator> oh ok
[06:03] <ogra> Nonphasis: didnt you say mailing list ?
[06:03] <albator> PCM and Synth are at lower values
[06:03] <Nonphasis> yeah, well, I read that you could post there via ubuntuforums
[06:03] <Nonphasis> I unsubbed from mailing list after getting over the problems :)
[06:04] <ogra> heh
[06:04] <ogra> yeah, its a high traffic list (but much fun)
[06:05] <Nonphasis> well, it's mailman so i guess i could resub
[06:05] <albator> no video and no sound
[06:05] <ogra> Nonphasis: sure
[06:05] <albator> definitly no multimedia for me
[06:05] <ogra> albator: no video ?
[06:05] <Danko123456> Hey!
[06:05] <CaPS_> yay, got my mail
[06:05] <ogra> albator: you mean no gnome ?
[06:05] <Danko123456> I wanted to ask if anyone knows of a utilt
[06:05] <ogra> CaPS_: how ?
[06:06] <albator> no i mean no mpeg
[06:06] <albator> and no avi
[06:06] <ogra> CaPS_: would be nice to have a wiki page.......
[06:06] <Danko123456> ity that changes jpg files into smaller (like thumbnails.
[06:06] <CaPS_> ogra: well, in a total bitch sort of way :)
[06:06] <ogra> albator: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:06] <CaPS_> ogra: create new mbox folder, copy old mail into it
[06:06] <terraces> Hi, I got some files in my printer spool (with lpr), but nothing is printed. Is there something I must do to allow printing ?
[06:07] <help_please> hi all
[06:07] <Danko123456> I wanted to ask if anyone knows of a utiltity that creates thumbnails.
[06:07] <Danko123456> hi
[06:07] <ogra> Danko123456: of what ?
[06:07] <ogra> Danko123456: photos ?
[06:07] <Tomcat_> Danko123456: XnView
[06:07] <help_please> I'm using emacs for C++ codes
[06:08] <Danko123456> Sure, photos .jpg.
[06:08] <help_please> i am having problem compiling with header files
[06:08] <ogra> Danko123456: gthumb builds whole galleries if you want
[06:08] <help_please> e.g.
[06:08] <terraces> used gthumb Danko123456 ?
[06:08] <Danko123456> no, let me see
[06:08] <ogra> Danko123456: ot thumbs or index pages
[06:08] <albator> even with gstreamer0.8-bad it doesnt play
[06:09] <albator> oh it plays
[06:09] <albator> but no sound
[06:09] <ogra> albator: what did you expect ?
[06:09] <Danko123456> I just need actual files, so I can include them in my web page...
[06:09] <ogra> albator: if your soundcard doesnt work
[06:09] <help_please> if e.g. i have 3 files like time.cpp,time2.cpp & time2.h, I write            g++ time.cpp time2.cpp time2.h -o outputfilename           but in the end it says g++: compilation of header file requested, but it does not compiles
[06:10] <kuckus> hi
[06:10] <help_please> anyone knows how to solve this problem ?
[06:10] <albator> i dont understand anything ogra, i've everything ok and loaded but still no sound
[06:10] <ogra> Danko123456: a typical gthumb gallery (it also resizes the pics if you need to) http://www.grawert.net/mataro/
[06:10] <JDahl> help_please, I suggest using a makefile... get that working from a terminal. Then you may chose to compile from emacs using that if you want
[06:10] <albator> it's a kind of magic
[06:10] <help_please> what's a makefile
[06:10] <ogra> albator: your system sound doesnt work, so video sound wont work too....
[06:11] <CaPS_> How do I get a "Home" or "Desktop" icon onto my Desktop?
[06:11] <help_please> please guide me on this a bit
[06:11] <siretart> help_please: try "make time" and "make time2"
[06:11] <kuckus> I enabled 128 bit wep encryptiion for my wireless network and would like to reconfigure all the settings using the handy 'wizard' from ubuntu's installer - any way of doing that?
[06:11] <ogra> CaPS_: look in gconf editor...../apps/nautilus
[06:11] <JDahl> help_please, google abit on "gnu software tools make" etc.. there are plenty of good tutorials you need to read
[06:11] <ogra> help_please: what do you compile ?
[06:11] <help_please> you mean i write this   g++ make time.cpp make time2.cpp make time2.h -o outputfilename    ???
[06:12] <siretart> help_please: no, just "make time"
[06:12] <help_please> these files i've given you above
[06:12] <help_please> no these are 3 separate files I wanna compile
[06:12] <ogra> help_please: no, i mean what is it ?
[06:12] <help_please> C++ code
[06:12] <albator> you can't compil .h file
[06:12] <siretart> help_please: no, one of them is a header, you cannot compile a header file
[06:13] <siretart> help_please: perhaps you should read a good c/c++ book
[06:13] <help_please> but I have included that header file in one of my source files
[06:13] <Lathiat> kuckus: open the "Network" system configuration item
[06:13] <ogra> argh.... help_please what should it be if you compiled it, i see that its c++
[06:13] <Lathiat> kuckus: under computer
[06:13] <Kamion> help_please: g++ knows that for itself, you don't need to tell it on the command line
[06:13] <CaPS_> ogra, found it, thanks
[06:13] <help_please> ok let me try that then
[06:13] <kuckus> The installer displayed a command you can use to run it again at later after the installation had finished, does anyone know what is was called?
[06:13] <kuckus> just in case I need it in the future - or is that unlikely?
[06:14] <help_please> hey thanks pals, it worked
[06:14] <help_please> :)
[06:14] <kuckus> Lathiat, thanks I'll check that
[06:14] <Lathiat> kuckus: that wont reconfigure the network
[06:14] <Lathiat> kuckus: but its base-config, and i doub't youll ever need to rerun that
[06:14] <help_please> see ya
[06:14] <help_please> bye
[06:14] <Lathiat> well at least hes appreciative :)
[06:14] <Lathiat> or she, i guess
[06:15] <CaPS_> I'm so happy I got my mail
[06:15] <CaPS_> *does a little dance*
[06:15] <ogra> :)
[06:16] <gustavor> xinet nor inet are working... apparently they start with no problem but there are no process listed with ps -ax... any ideas?
[06:16] <kuckus> Lathiat, though I'm running windows to get online and have to reboot. ok, if you say so I won't write it down. I'll check out the network configuration and be back when it works (or doesn't... ;) thanks!
[06:17] <Lathiat> kuckus: the network config tool will lead you through it
[06:17] <esher> any1 knows how i can extract bin/iso files on linux ? any package name ?
[06:17] <Lathiat> kuckus: as long as you knwo how to get to it (computer->system config->network)
[06:17] <Lathiat> kuckus: then delete the device, re-add it, choose wireless, etc
[06:17] <kuckus> irc with trillian... never thought it was possible. see ya ;)
[06:17] <Lathiat> should be able to figure it out, its fairly intuitive, i think :)
[06:18] <kuckus> Lathiat: yep, think I'll do fine there =)
[06:18] <Danko123456> Not sure if you ever looked at the man for gthumb Ogra, but it is not very informative....
[06:18] <ogra> Danko123456: nope, i just used it :)
[06:19] <Danko123456> Do I find the thumbs in some folder as soon as I open the folder with gthumb.
[06:19] <Danko123456> :)
[06:19] <Danko123456> Or do I convert...
[06:19] <Danko123456> I am not sure what to do with the program.
[06:19] <ogra> Danko123456: open the folder with your pics
[06:19] <spikeb> heh
[06:20] <Danko123456> yeah, got that far:)
[06:20] <ogra> Danko123456: press ctrl-A
[06:20] <ogra> Danko123456: then look in the tools menu
[06:20] <Danko123456> And create which format?
[06:21] <ogra> Danko123456: either a index or a web gallery.... as you like
[06:21] <Danko123456> Does that overwrite my files? it shouldnt right?
[06:21] <adedip> hi all guys
[06:21] <ogra> Danko123456: it asks for a teaget folder
[06:21] <ogra> target
[06:22] <Danko123456> k thanks, ill be back, I know it...
[06:22] <ogra> youre welcome :)
[06:22] <adedip> guys got troubles w/ rc pppoe connection...
[06:22] <adedip> modem is a siemens gigaset
[06:23] <adedip> eht0 link seems to be up n runnin but i cannot ping anything...even DNS's
[06:23] <Danko123456> Sweet, it worked, thanks a lot.
[06:23] <adedip> any suggestion?
[06:23] <adedip> absolute ethernet newbie
[06:25] <Danko123456> give it a few nminutes
[06:25] <Danko123456> theyll tell you.
[06:25] <Danko123456> I had that same thing, but I had a friend fix it...
[06:25] <Danko123456> There is a simple command, like pppoe
[06:25] <Danko123456> something like that.
[06:25] <ogra> pppoeconf
[06:25] <Danko123456> right,.
[06:26] <adedip> so? run pppoeconf and...?
[06:26] <adedip> does it suffice?
[06:26] <Danko123456> try it it is simple.
[06:26] <Danko123456> should.
[06:26] <adedip> to configure it i mean
[06:26] <adedip> ok
[06:26] <Danko123456> if you know username, and pwd.
[06:26] <adedip> yeah
[06:26] <adedip> k
[06:26] <ogra> adedip: sudo pppoeconf
[06:26] <Danko123456> right.
[06:26] <adedip> ok, thx a lot guys...
[06:26] <Danko123456> welcome.
[06:28] <Danko123456> hey, ogra, I have another qustion, why does my gcj not work, I get an error message :gcj: libgcj.spec: No such file or directory , obviously it wants some file, or sthg, how can I fix it?
[06:28] <ogra> Danko123456: if i knew gcj i would tell you, sorry....
[06:28] <Danko123456> k thanks.
[06:29] <Danko123456> Does anyone know about gcj?
[06:29] <spikeb> not me
[06:29] <glob> help! i've installed ubuntu..but when i select in grub windows xp..it starts to load .. but it crash on load (when the bar scrolls when loading) :(
[06:29] <spikeb> never used it
[06:30] <Danko123456> k...
[06:30] <glob> i don't now what to do :(
[06:31] <Amaranth> glob: ouch
[06:31] <Delgul> Hi... should totem work with DVD's when libdvdcss2 is installed or do I need to do more?
[06:31] <Amaranth> glob: I have a feeling you forgot to defragment Windows XP before resizing the partition it was on
[06:31] <Kamion> glob: try http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/
[06:31] <Amaranth> Delgul: You need the gstreamer plugin for it
[06:31] <Kamion> (yes, I know it's for FC2)
[06:31] <glob> Amaranth i read now thanks
[06:31] <Delgul> Amaranth: ok... looking for it now....
[06:32] <Amaranth> Delgul: I just did apt-get install gstreamer-plugins and it got them all
[06:32] <Se7h> ot question
[06:32] <Se7h> how does the "internet time" works?
[06:32] <olimar> Any Ubuntu guru here? I upgraded to hoary and changed from Xfree to Xorg but now the only resolution I have is 640x480 and I can't change back to 1024x768 anymore!!! The capplet only shows me the 640 choice
[06:32] <olimar> any help?
[06:32] <Amaranth> olimar: reconfigure xorg
[06:33] <olimar> how ?
[06:33] <glob> Amaranth but ... i've installed WindowsXp on a partition..and i have keep the free space without the partition...later i've installed ubuntu and i used this free space...
[06:33] <olimar> which command I mean
[06:33] <ogra> olimar: as long as you never touched the files manually you can just reonfigure
[06:33] <JDahl> olimar, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:33] <Amaranth> olimar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:33] <Delgul> Amaranth: I did apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins that gave me another set apparently....
[06:33] <ogra> olimar: with sudo
[06:33] <Amaranth> doh, i was late
[06:33] <Amaranth> Delgul: Should be the same thing.
[06:34] <Delgul> Amaranth: It seems not to be.... it is installing a lot more plugins now....hopefully this works...
[06:34] <Amaranth> oh
[06:35] <Amaranth> gstreamer-plugins is gstreamer 0.6.0
[06:37] <Delgul> Amaranth: Will I now get a conflict?
[06:37] <Amaranth> i didn't
[06:38] <Delgul> Amaranth: Totem cannot play this type of media (tmw_aspect_ratio_square_menu_item) because you do not have the appropriate plugins to handle it. Any ideas?
[06:38] <ogra> Amaranth: it just fills up your diskspace....0.6 isnt used
[06:38] <Delgul> Amaranth: restart gnome perhaps?
[06:38] <Amaranth> ogra: yeah
[06:38] <Amaranth> Delgul: um, what kind of file is it?
[06:38] <Amaranth> oh yeah, DVD
[06:38] <Delgul> Its a standard DVD from my collection ;-)
[06:39] <Amaranth> sudo apt-get install xine-ui
[06:39] <Amaranth> have fun :)
[06:39] <Delgul> Amaranth: err...but what if I WANT to use totem?
[06:39] <ogra> Delgul: totem-xine
[06:39] <Amaranth> Delgul: I've never been able to use gstreamer to play a DVD.
[06:40] <Delgul> Amaranth,ogra: Will give Totem-xine a go...
[06:42] <tiago> hi there, how can I allow a user to access a mounted menory key? Add him in a group?
[06:42] <Delgul> ogra: It plays something...but only a blue screen appears...
[06:42] <ogra> Delgul: even if you open a menu while playing ?
[06:43] <ogra> Delgul: there is a little bug...in totem-xine....sometimes you have to start the film a second time.....to get rid of the blue
[06:43] <Delgul> oh ok...
[06:44] <Delgul> ogra: Duh...second time it works... tsk... Thanks!
[06:44] <ogra> :)
[06:46] <adedip> hi all
[06:46] <adedip> guys, just tried to configure pppoeconf
[06:46] <adedip> suppose i did it right...
[06:46] <adedip> but still get "Destination net unreachable" when i ping my DNS
[06:47] <adedip> (rp pppoe problem, siemens gigaset adsl modem)
[06:53] <glob> Amaranth i think there is another problem .. i use the document but i don't have any results :(
[06:59] <adedip> anyone can help with rp pppoe probs?
[06:59] <olimar> Hi again I didn't have xorg but xfree86 installed!
[07:00] <olimar> but when changing to xorg the whole xserver didn't wanted to start at all!
[07:00] <olimar> it was broken
[07:00] <olimar> so I reverted back to xfree86 and did a reconfigure but I still can't change the resolution
[07:01] <olimar> I still only have 640x480 , But I've chosen 1024 in the console window
[07:01] <olimar> any help? :/
[07:03] <Kokey> olimar: before th upgrade, was working at 1024?
[07:04] <olimar> yes it did
[07:04] <olimar> I have a notebook with 15" and it was working on 1024
[07:08] <linux_mafia> olimar,  if you look in your xorg.conf, youll see that in Section "Monitor", no scan rates have been added, hence it falls back to the lowest
[07:08] <chtimi> lo
[07:08] <Danko123456> Anyone know gcj?
[07:09] <chtimi> no sorry
[07:09] <linux_mafia> olimar, so you just need to add in there, HorizSync and VertRefresh, with the correct numbers for your monitor
[07:10] <olimar> Section "Monitor"
[07:10] <olimar>         Identifier      "Standardbildschirm"
[07:10] <olimar>         Option  "HorizSync" "28-50"
[07:10] <olimar>         Option  "VertRefresh" "43-75"
[07:10] <olimar>         Option          "DPMS"
[07:11] <olimar> well as it seems the values are in there...
[07:11] <linux_mafia> yeah sort of, horiz and vert are not options, nor do they need quotes
[07:11] <olimar> so?
[07:11] <linux_mafia> 	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
[07:11] <linux_mafia> 	HorizSync    30-80
[07:11] <linux_mafia>         VertRefresh  55-75
[07:11] <linux_mafia> 	Option		"DPMS"
[07:11] <olimar> ok
[07:12] <olimar> ok I'll restart x
[07:15] <metrix> rythm player says it doesn't have the plugin toplay mp3's.. where do I get the plugin?
[07:15] <olimar> nothing ...
[07:16] <olimar> still at least X restarts ;)
[07:17] <linux_mafia> nothing?
[07:17] <linux_mafia> still low res
[07:17] <olimar> still low res
[07:17] <linux_mafia> weird
[07:18] <linux_mafia> you said you reverted to xfree86, did you change back to xorg?
[07:18] <olimar>  SubSection "Display"
[07:18] <olimar>                 Depth           1
[07:18] <olimar>                 Modes           "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[07:18] <olimar>         EndSubSection
[07:18] <olimar> does this help?
[07:19] <linux_mafia> no, heh
[07:19] <olimar> no I didn't under xorg the whole xserver didn't wanted to start
[07:19] <olimar> the whole screen was black under xorg
[07:19] <Setite> so much for cedega
[07:19] <Setite> no surround sound... so i will have to dual boot
[07:20] <buu> Ok.
[07:20] <buu> What freaking kernel do I install to get fat32?
[07:20] <Setite> dont all support that
[07:20] <sjoerd> buu: all standard kernels have support for that
[07:20] <buu> sjoerd: So why doesn't mine?
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> hi all.
[07:20] <Setite> it should
[07:20] <sjoerd> buu: it does
[07:21] <anir> hey da_bon_bon how r u?
[07:21] <buu> sjoerd: Oh. Hrm.
[07:21] <da_bon_bon> anir: hi. u not on yahoo? u still using ubuntu ?
[07:22] <anir> da_bon_bon:yes i am still using ubuntu..why?? any prob???
[07:22] <Danko123456> Anyone know how to use cgj
[07:22] <Danko123456> gcj
[07:22] <Danko123456> :)
[07:22] <sjoerd> buu: what's the problem ?
[07:22] <da_bon_bon> anir: no. jut asking.
[07:22] <buu> sjoerd: I was trying to mount /dev/hdb, not /dev/hdb1 =/
[07:22] <Setite> hell bon bon
[07:22] <anir> i am on yahoo
[07:22] <Setite> hello*
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> hey, why does QtParted give "ped_file_system_open error" everytime i try to resize my partitions ?
[07:23] <sjoerd> buu: :)
[07:23] <buu> sjoerd: Now I don't suppose you know how I could make flux's alt-tab not suck..?
[07:24] <sjoerd> buu: nope, i just use gnome
[07:24] <buu> =[
[07:25] <buu> sjoerd: Er, I'm modifying the fstab, I have: /dev/hdb1 /home/buu/hdb fat32 rw,user 0 0
[07:25] <buu> sjoerd: But when I do 'mount /home/buu/hdb', I get 'type fat32 not supported by kernel'
[07:25] <ogra> buu: psst, use vfat
[07:25] <sjoerd> buu: vfat not fat32
[07:25] <ilmari> buu: the type should be 'vfat'
[07:25] <buu> oh
[07:25] <sjoerd> :)
[07:25] <buu> Auto works =] 
[07:26] <sri> crimsun: thanks for letting me know about the mono thing (re: mono assemblies not building)
[07:26] <sri> crimsun: much apprecated.
[07:26] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: hi.
[07:27] <Danko123456> Do you guys know which program I should use for unpacking RARs, it does not seem to work, with just the default one...
[07:28] <Danko123456> Anyone have a favorite unpacking program for that?
[07:29] <marjorie> ive done a new install today and the locale packed install failed, then a perl warning saying please check your language settings, any ideas where to go?
[07:29] <maney> does the so-called sound recorder ever condescend to save to a file, or should I just abandon it?
[07:30] <ogra> marjorie: try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[07:32] <marjorie> broken or not installed...
[07:33] <buu> How the hell do you disable the shit ass gnome hot keys?
[07:33] <buu> I've not even in gnome
[07:33] <marjorie> some dependancy fun i think
[07:34] <buu> Oy this is ridiculous
[07:35] <Danko123456> patience...
[07:35] <drelch> hi there
[07:35] <buu> How do I get rid of the hot keys?!
[07:35] <maney> buu: install Sarge?
[07:35] <buu> I'm strongly considering it.
[07:36] <marjorie> how do i reinstall the language file perl is after?
[07:37] <sirfred> Hello.
[07:37] <ubuntu> hello
[07:37] <maney> I like the things that Gnome/Ubuntu make just work, but the damned blank wall i run into when something doesn't work has me thinking that if I wanted that sort of headache I could install XP  :-(
[07:37] <sirfred> Is there any way to make nautilus-cd-burner pass options to cdrecord?
[07:37] <sirfred> I'm interested in the burnfree option.
[07:38] <buu> Honestly. What thee fuck? I'm in fluxbox and f1 is still bringing up this shit ass 'help window'
[07:38] <drelch> little question: i've installed lineakd with a working config and it worx. but not every key works. dmesg gives me that msg after presses non working keys: atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0x97 on isa0060/serio0).
[07:38] <drelch> atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e017 <keycode>' to make it known.
[07:38] <drelch>  so this command doesn't work with X. Does anybody know how the name of the X-Command is?
[07:38] <Danko123456> hehe
[07:38] <maney> like this morning's insanity: sound recorder just doesn't save files.  no error, nothing that looks like it has a clue it's broken
[07:38] <Danko123456> Everyone needs help, and noone is here...
[07:38] <Danko123456> :)
[07:38] <Danko123456> GIve them some time, maybe they went for lunch...
[07:38] <sirfred> Also, lately ubuntu is not enabling DMA on my CDROM
[07:39] <sirfred> I'm talking about Hoary
[07:39] <ubuntu> I would like to make a trash bin icon on my desktop but I don't know what program it is linked to?
[07:39] <sirfred> ubuntu: You can enable it using gconf
[07:39] <Danko123456> WHy do you want it, there is one in the bottome right...
[07:39] <Danko123456> if you have same Xwindow as I do...
[07:40] <sirfred> ubuntu: There's some option related with nautilus or something so, anyway, it doesn't worked fine for me.
[07:40] <buu> XWindows has a trash can now?!
[07:40] <ubuntu> gconf
[07:40] <ubuntu> ok i'll go have a look
[07:40] <seb128> ubuntu: gconf-editor, /apps/nautilus/desktop/trash_icon_visible
[07:41] <ubuntu> seb128: thanks mate
[07:41] <seb128> np
[07:42] <sirfred> On firefox, I had to erase the flash plugin, because it crashed every time I browsed to a site using flash. It didn't happened before, Any idea?
[07:42] <Danko123456> No, I meant my GUI has it...
[07:42] <buu> THIS IS FUCK RIDICULOUS.
[07:42] <buu> Gah.
[07:43] <Danko123456> Just relax, itll work out, Buu..
[07:43] <Danko123456> :)
[07:43] <buu> Danko123456: It's just so ... stupid.
[07:43] <Danko123456> Its, ok, its all a work in progress...
[07:43] <Danko123456> :)
[07:43] <buu> Danko123456: Yes, but come on.
[07:44] <Danko123456> Are you using Ubuntu
[07:44] <Danko123456> Which one...
[07:44] <buu> yes
[07:44] <buu> uh
[07:44] <buu> warty
[07:44] <Danko123456> Cool
[07:44] <Danko123456> Me too...
[07:44] <Danko123456> so you just want to change the key shortcuts?
[07:45] <Danko123456> Buu?
[07:45] <buu> Yes!
[07:45] <buu> I want to remove them!
[07:45] <Danko123456> Well, that much even I can figure out.
[07:45] <mdz> it sounds like you don't want to run GNOME at all, in which case, don't
[07:45] <buu> mdz: I'm not.
[07:45] <Danko123456> Click on your computer menu
[07:45] <Danko123456> up top.
[07:45] <mdz> buu: you are running at least some GNOME components, apparently
[07:45] <buu> Danko123456: Tried that. All hot keys are 'disabled'.
[07:45] <buu> mdz: Maybe?
[07:46] <buu> Gnome -> Gnome Control Center
[07:46] <buu> Keyboard shortcuts
[07:46] <Danko123456> Computer> Desktop prefs>Kybrd Shrtcts
[07:46] <Danko123456> Does that not \work
[07:46] <buu> They are all disabled. Yes. I tried that.
[07:46] <Danko123456> I dont even have any gnome menu...
[07:46] <Danko123456> You mean the appps?
[07:46] <Danko123456> menu?
[07:47] <buu> sigh
[07:47] <buu> I'm not using gnome.
[07:47] <Danko123456> I asked you you said you were using Ubuntu warty, which is what I have...
[07:47] <mdz> you are, in fact
[07:47] <buu> mdz: How do I get rid of it then?
[07:47] <anir> what is the command to check the fs type of my partitions??
[07:48] <buu> Danko123456: I *am* using ubuntu warty. I am not using gnome.
[07:48] <Danko123456> I haev that ne too...
[07:48] <umarmung> anir, mount without any options
[07:48] <mdz> buu: what session did you select when logging into gdm?
[07:48] <buu> mdz: 'fluxbox'
[07:49] <McThoro> anir: fdisk /dev/hda
[07:49] <Danko123456> Anyone use gcj?
[07:50] <marjorie> Danko123456: gconf-editor
[07:50] <anir> okay.. its showing my FAT32 as vfat
[07:50] <mdz> buu: if you run 'ps ux', you'll likely find that you have a bunch of gnome-related processes running
[07:50] <mdz> several would have started when you ran the GNOME control center
[07:50] <anir> yes thank you
[07:51] <buu> gnome-keyring-d, gome-terminal, gnome-pty-helpe gnome-control-c gnome-settings
[07:51] <anir> what is ext???
[07:51] <SaNaKe> list
[07:51] <Danko123456> marjorie:for what?
[07:51] <anir> umarmung: can u tell me what is ext3?? whats so special about it?
[07:51] <SaNaKe> quit
[07:51] <mdz> buu: if you don't want GNOME, don't run the control center.  that will start gnome-settings-daemon, set up shortcuts, etc.
[07:51] <marjorie> trash can on desktop
[07:52] <Danko123456> Oh, yeah...cool
[07:52] <olimar> the whole screen is broken infour parts
[07:52] <olimar> I am writng but not seeing what I am writing right now ;)
[07:52] <McThoro> anir: ext3 is ext2 improved with journaling
[07:52] <Danko123456> thanks.
[07:52] <buu> mdz: I kill all the gnome related processes.
[07:52] <Danko123456> Does anyone use gcj?
[07:52] <olimar> only half of the window...
[07:52] <buu> mdz: Still getting f1.
[07:53] <mdz> buu: you'll want to log out to make sure that everything is stopped
[07:53] <buu> mdz: eh, ok
[07:53] <olimar> with xfree I could see it a leasst the window in low res but now the inwdow is split in four parts
[07:53] <buu> hrm
[07:53] <buu> gconfd-2
[07:53] <mdz> then log in, check that the processes aren't running, and then don't run the control center
[07:54] <olimar> buwhebut when in gdm the iwndows is high res!!!
[07:54] <olimar> window
[07:54] <mdz> olimar: computer->system configuration->screen resolution
[07:55] <buu> mdz: Only gnome process I see is gconfd-2
[07:55] <marjorie> when trying to configure the locales package it fails beacuse it cant find my local definition file, how can i reinstall?
[07:55] <buu> mdz: Still getting the f1 crap
[07:56] <olimar> WOOHOO
[07:56] <olimar> finally
[07:56] <olimar> after one day of configurations
[07:56] <olimar> thanx mdz
[07:56] <olimar> and thanx Linux-mafia too!!!
[07:58] <buu> How do I remove gnome then?
[07:59] <Kamion> marjorie: what is the exact error message?
[08:00] <marjorie> well, if use deselct to reconfigure locale i get this...
[08:00] <Kamion> dselect doesn't know how to reconfigure packages, so I don't know what you mean by that
[08:00] <marjorie> running dpkg --pending --configure ...
[08:00] <marjorie> Setting up locales (2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2.2) ...
[08:00] <marjorie> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[08:00] <marjorie> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[08:00] <marjorie>         LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en_US:en",
[08:00] <marjorie>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[08:00] <marjorie>         LANG = "en"
[08:00] <marjorie>     are supported and installed on your system.
[08:00] <marjorie> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[08:00] <marjorie> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:00] <marjorie> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:00] <marjorie> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:00] <marjorie> Generating locales...
[08:00] <marjorie>   en.ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file `en': No such file or directory
[08:00] <marjorie> ooops
[08:00] <Kamion> marjorie: you have LANG=en in your environment; don't do that, there's no such locale
[08:00] <ogra> marjorie: plase dont flood here,  do it in #flood
[08:01] <marjorie> sry
[08:01] <Kamion> if that's what /etc/environment says, fix it, otherwise fix your shell startup files
[08:01] <Kamion> you want en_GB or en_US
[08:01] <Kamion> (etc.)
[08:01] <IronRoses> I can't log in as root in the terminal
[08:01] <IronRoses> nor can i log in as root from the login screen
[08:01] <IronRoses> whats going on?
[08:01] <ogra> IronRoses: root is disabled
[08:01] <mdz> buu: it works fine for me, simply selecting fluxbox as the session
[08:02] <IronRoses> keeps saying authentication failed
[08:02] <IronRoses> WHY?
[08:02] <ogra> IronRoses: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:02] <mdz> IronRoses: FAQ
[08:02] <ogra> IronRoses: you use sudo in ubuntu
[08:02] <IronRoses> but what if i want to install somthing or mess about with the kernel
[08:02] <buu> mdz: F1 doesn't trigger anything?
[08:02] <mdz> buu: correct
[08:02] <ogra> IronRoses: read the wiki page
[08:02] <mdz> I just tried it
[08:02] <IronRoses> kk
[08:02] <buu> mdz: How very very odd.
[08:03] <mdz> I'm running hoary, but I would be quite surprised if the behaviour had changed
[08:03] <ogra> buu: is gnome-settings-daemon still running anywhere ?
[08:03] <buu> ogra: It wasn't in the process list.
[08:03] <ogra> buu: gconfd or bonobo ?
[08:04] <buu> ogra: gconf- something was always running
[08:04] <ogra> buu: that may be the prob (not sur though, never tried to cripple my gnome)
[08:05] <IronRoses> just did sudo root passwd
[08:05] <IronRoses> i can now do the bog standerd cmd of su, then my pass
[08:05] <IronRoses> thats all i wanted guys...thanks
[08:05] <mdz> bag?
[08:05] <mdz> bog?
[08:05] <buu> bog.
[08:05] <IronRoses> bog standerd
[08:05] <IronRoses> as in normal
[08:05] <ogra> ?
[08:05] <IronRoses> i'm english
[08:05] <marjorie> Kamion: so i should have LANG="en_GB" LANGUAGE="en_GB" ?
[08:06] <buu> AHAH.
[08:06] <IronRoses> i take it, this is a debian based distro right?
[08:06] <marjorie> in /etc/environment
[08:06] <ogra> IronRoses:be aware that enabling root breaks the security model of ubuntu
[08:06] <IronRoses> so i can change the respos to download from different sources
[08:06] <mdz> ogra: nah, only disabling sudo
[08:06] <Kamion> marjorie: yeah
[08:06] <ogra> IronRoses: or at least undermines it
[08:07] <mdz> IronRoses: this is explained in detail on the website
[08:07] <IronRoses> well if it does that then it must be a pretty rubbish ditro
[08:07] <marjorie> wierd i wonder what set that,  dureing install
[08:07] <mdz> such hostility
[08:07] <Kamion> ogra: that's really not true
[08:07] <mdz> rough seas today in #ubuntu
[08:07] <marjorie> cool ill give it a reboot then...
[08:08] <mdz> ogra: the thing which will get you into trouble is to remove the user from /etc/sudoers; then the various menu entries which run gksudo will break
[08:08] <Kamion> even then that just breaks programs rather than breaking the security model
[08:08] <toxicfume> hi all i need serious help
[08:08] <ogra> Kamion, mdz: but there was a reason to disable root (i.e. you must guess username _and_ pw ) so it has its disadvantages....
[08:09] <toxicfume> i just installed ubuntu and now i can't boot up into windows 2003 server
[08:09] <Kamion> ogra: IMO that was always at best a side benefit, and dubious at that
[08:09] <toxicfume> in the grub boot menu, when i select windows it says something like Filesystem type unknown, what do i do?
[08:09] <mdz> ogra: the default sudo configuration is a usability feature; it doesn't fundamentally change the security characteristics of the system
[08:09] <Kamion> ogra: the original reason was that it was two fewer questions in the install, and saved us from all the people who'd forgotten their root password
[08:09] <drspin> would anyone be interested in helping me reinstall ALSA??
[08:10] <toxicfume> can someone please help?
[08:11] <drspin> toxic: what is your problem?
[08:12] <ogra> Kamion, mdz: i see the logging facility, the usernam/pw things as two big advantages, as well as the stuff that stuart bishop wrote on the wiki page....you loose tis advantages by enabling root, maybe calling it a security prob it too much.....
[08:12] <toxicfume> drspin: i just successfully installed ubuntu and now i can't get into windows server 2003. During the grub bootmenu, when i select to load windows, it says file system unknown. What do i do?
[08:12] <ogra> is too much
[08:12] <JDahl> drspin, what's wrong with ALSA?
[08:12] <drspin> souns like grub isn't configured righ
[08:12] <McThoro> toxicfume: say mount, and try to mount via console
[08:13] <glob> in grub if i put root (hd0,0) windows crash on loading .. but if i put rootnoverify (hd0,0) windows load succesufly
[08:13] <mdz> toxicfume: you'll want to make a copy of your /boot/grub/menu.lst available for folks to see
[08:13] <toxicfume> McThoro: how do i do that? i'm new to linux
[08:13] <drelch> does anybody of you know a program, that changes the desktop backgruond image randomly?
[08:13] <Kamion> ogra: there are people who hold the opinion that having the default user be able to sudo is a security flaw; I think it's difficult to call either way.
[08:14] <Kamion> ogra: at any rate I don't think it's appropriate for us to be telling people that it's a security risk to enable the root password, since it clearly isn't, and some people's local security models demand it.
[08:14] <ogra> Kamion: i know...its personal perference i guess.... mine is (and was before ubuntu) sudo
[08:14] <glob> drelch http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/522870/Gnome-Desktop-Change.html
[08:14] <McThoro> toxicfume: in a console type "sudo mount"
[08:15] <drspin> JDahl: quake 3 sound won't work -- it says it can't get to /dev/dsp but permissions are right, nothing is using it -
[08:15] <ogra> Kamion: ok, i'll hold myself back then in the future
[08:15] <toxicfume> McThoro: alright, i'm getting into ubuntu, 1 second
[08:16] <drelch> @ glob: thank you a lot!
[08:16] <JDahl> drspin, If I understand you correctly, fuser /dev/dsp says it's not use?
[08:16] <toxicfume> McThoro: okay i did that, what do i do next?
[08:17] <drspin> JDahl: yes
[08:17] <drspin> fuser /dev/dsp doesn't give me anything - just goes back to command
[08:17] <toxicfume> okay
[08:18] <drspin> JDahl: so I assume that's good
[08:18] <McThoro> toxicfume: do you see a partition for windoze?
[08:18] <toxicfume> my 'Windows Nt/2000/XP is in root (hd0,0)
[08:18] <marjorie> just rebooted, same error but the perl warning shown en_GB now :)
[08:18] <JDahl> drspin, how about lsmod? are the right modules loaded, or are, e.g., oss modules loaded and blocking alsa?
[08:18] <toxicfume> McThoro: i don't :S
[08:19] <drspin> JDahl -- OSS is loaded and ALSA
[08:19] <toxicfume> what the hell did ubuntu just clean out my windows? :S
[08:19] <marjorie> is there a package that sets your installed languages?
[08:19] <McThoro> toxicfume: this may be a problem with GRUB
[08:20] <JDahl> drspin, I dont know much about ALSA, but I think you only want ALSA modules, right? At least debian used to block the OSS modules from being loaded via blacklist
[08:20] <drspin> JDahl - what is the module for OSS, I can't remember :/
[08:20] <toxicfume> McThoro: oh, how do i fix this?
[08:20] <McThoro> toxicfume: you didn't format the whole drive when you installed?
[08:20] <ogra> drspin: snd-pcm-oss
[08:20] <drspin> ogra: thanks
[08:21] <Kamion> marjorie: dpkg-reconfigure locales, select en_GB
[08:21] <toxicfume> McThoro: No before I installed i already had fedora installed, and then in the ubuntu setup process, i only chose to format the fedora partition, i didn't mess with the windows partition
[08:22] <McThoro> ogra: toxicfume can't see boot to windows after installing Ubuntu
[08:22] <JDahl> drspin, I always had problems with sound in Debian if hotplug and blacklist got updated... OSS modules would block ALSA modules. But like I said, I dont know much about it
[08:22] <marjorie> Kamion: it fails with the perl warning
[08:22] <ogra> McThoro: but windows is still there and intact ?
[08:22] <drspin> JDahl --
[08:22] <drspin> thanks!
[08:22] <McThoro> toxicfume: what shows after the mount commnad
[08:23] <drspin> ogra: do you happen to know what the one for alsa is?
[08:23] <ogra> McThoro, toxicfume: there is a bug, hitting also other distros, described here:  http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/
[08:23] <toxicfume> McThoro: let me login from ubuntu, 1 second
[08:24] <ogra> drspin: that schould be snd-pcm then, and is should be loaded with the module for your soundcard
[08:24] <ogra> drspin: which means, it should be already there
[08:24] <glob> well i have this problem : when i shutdown my notebook and i select winxp from grup all works fine .. but if i reboot from linux and i select winxp , it crash on loading
[08:24] <drspin> how can I *restart* the audio?
[08:25] <drspin> reload I guess would be the word
[08:25] <marjorie> Kamion: mabye i need to re-copy the language file somewhere?
[08:25] <ogra> drspin: either remove all snd- modules manually or faster, reboot....
[08:26] <broodster> how do you install java?
[08:26] <broodster> i don't wanna get it wrong this time
[08:26] <method55> my gaim keeps saying there is an update but when i do synaptic updater it says the most recent is installed
[08:26] <broodster> just reformated =] 
[08:26] <ogra> broodster: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[08:26] <broodster> okay
[08:26] <ogra> broodster: use method 0
[08:26] <marjorie> download the binary, extract it link it, done
[08:26] <broodster> i use amd 64
[08:26] <toxicfume_> McThoro: hi again
[08:27] <ogra> broodster: oh, sorry
[08:27] <McThoro> hi
[08:27] <toxicfume_> McThoro, can I paste the results of mount here? or should I msg you?
[08:27] <broodster> so..
[08:27] <broodster> which one do i use?
[08:27] <marjorie> download sunjre1.5 amd 64
[08:27] <McThoro> toxicfume; I'm new, try message
[08:28] <ogra> broodster: do what marjorie said and use method 2 then
[08:29] <zenrox> broodster,  follow the ubuntuguide.org
[08:29] <zenrox> that one works
[08:29] <ogra> zenrox: that covers amd64 ?
[08:29] <ogra> zenrox: thats new to me
[08:30] <zenrox> ogra,  id asume its not too much defernt for amd64
[08:30] <broodster> where do i get java for amd 64..?
[08:30] <zenrox> java.sun.com
[08:31] <ogra> zenrox: you need a amd64 built java.... and ubuntuguide uses method 2 from the official wiki btw
[08:31] <zenrox> hmmm
[08:31] <drspin> Ogra: Someone recomended for me to reinstall Alsa
[08:32] <ogra> drspin: alsa is in your kernel....
[08:32] <broodster> can someone give me the link for java
[08:32] <broodster> for amd64
[08:32] <drspin> Ogra: somthing about Emu10kx :S
[08:32] <broodster> i cant find it
[08:32] <ogra> drspin: warty or hoary ?
[08:32] <zenrox> broodster, go to http://java.sun.com
[08:32] <zenrox> and look for it
[08:32] <toxicfume> ogra: how do i know if i have that same problem? can you help me?
[08:32] <drspin> ogra: a bit of both ;)
[08:32] <ogra> drspin: thats bad, ten i cant help
[08:33] <broodster> i can't find it
[08:33] <marjorie> broodster:https://jsecom15d.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet/LegalPage:~:com.sun.sunit.sdlc.content.LegalWebPageInfo;jsessionid=1EBA1E17D3F9711257FF44676489794A;jsessionid=1EBA1E17D3F9711257FF44676489794A
[08:33] <drspin> ogra: needed FF1.0 and Gaim 1.1.0
[08:33] <broodster> ty
[08:33] <ogra> toxicfume: the problem as well as the solution are described in the lwn article.....
[08:33] <ogra> drspin: needed ?
[08:33] <marjorie> bottom one
[08:33] <ogra> drspin: why ?
[08:34] <Kamion> marjorie: in that case you still haven't fixed $LANG
[08:34] <Kamion> marjorie: you do not need to copy any language file anywhere
[08:35] <marjorie> how do i fix $LANG?
[08:35] <drspin> ogra: aye - because I couldn't stand ff0.97 (or somewhere therebouts) and I felt that I needed to support the Gaim 1.x release
[08:35] <Kamion> marjorie: look in /etc/environment and .bash* for anything that sets LANG
[08:35] <marjorie> echo $LANG = en_GB
[08:35] <Kamion> where's that? it's invalid syntax
[08:36] <buu> "Cannot change ownership to uid0, gid 0"
[08:36] <buu> How might I fix that?
[08:36] <drspin> Gaim = 1.1.1 as of today :)
[08:36] <marjorie> if i do echo $LANG
[08:36] <marjorie> thats what i get
[08:36] <Kamion> marjorie: (also LC_<ANYTHING>)
[08:36] <toxicfume> ogra: I'm really not sure if i understand the steps in that guide, is there any other easier way of doing this? ;/
[08:36] <ogra> drspin: 1.1.1 is a stable release ??
[08:36] <Kamion> marjorie: just type 'locale', see if bare 'en' appears anywhere
[08:37] <ogra> drspin: i doubt that.....
[08:38] <drspin> ogra: I believe so... bugfixes
[08:38] <marjorie> Kamion: no but at the end it has "LC_ALL=
[08:38] <ogra> drspin: but anyway... i can support mixed systems
[08:38] <buu> Anyone?
[08:38] <ogra> drspin: and its likely that you broke something, except you are a pinnint guru
[08:38] <ogra> pinning
[08:39] <ogra> cant
[08:39] <drspin> ogra: pinning?
[08:39] <marjorie> and local gives this error, can not set lc_CTYPE no file or directory
[08:39] <ogra> drspin: a very fine grained and dangerous method (if you not exactly know what you do) to mix distros
[08:40] <Kamion> marjorie: the upper case matters
[08:40] <Kamion> and your syntax must be just wrong to get that error, anyway
[08:40] <drspin> ogra: I believe that I don't know what to do exactly ;)
[08:41] <Kamion> marjorie: what exactly did you type? local or locale?
[08:41] <ogra> drspin: so you shouldnt have mixed....
[08:42] <drspin> ogra: This I have learned! x|
[08:42] <broodster> wth
[08:42] <broodster> i just installed java
[08:42] <broodster> and it says i dont have it installed
[08:42] <broodster> when i try to play something java
[08:42] <marjorie> locale
[08:42] <ogra> broodster: which method ?
[08:42] <NixerX> broodster, did you set $JAVA_HOME?
[08:43] <broodster> i used ubuntuguide.org
[08:43] <marjorie> broodster have you linked the library and binary?
[08:43] <ogra> NixerX: methos 2 from the wiki already sets this
[08:43] <NixerX> ogra, okay.
[08:43] <ogra> NixerX: as well as the plugin....
[08:43] <NixerX> ogra, Nice!
[08:43] <ogra> yep :)
[08:43] <broodster> all i did was whatever it said here http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[08:44] <broodster> for the amd64 version
[08:44] <ogra> NixerX: best is, someone now provides a repo with prebuilt pkgs.....
[08:44] <marjorie> Kamion: etc/environment should be en_gb not en_GB?
[08:45] <phyberoptix> sup everyone
[08:45] <NixerX> ogra, Jeeze. Ubuntu is gonna take over :)
[08:45] <ogra> hehe
[08:45] <Kamion> marjorie: no
[08:45] <broodster> so how do i set the java home?
[08:45] <ogra> finally the wnated community support is there
[08:45] <zenrox> yep
[08:46] <ogra> next missing is a clean ubuntu mplayer repo from the community
[08:46] <phyberoptix> how do i get my dsl to work?
[08:46] <marjorie> Kamion: do u know the url for the php post code thingy?
[08:46] <ogra> phyberoptix: pppoeconf
[08:46] <broodster> sudo pppoeconf
[08:46] <ogra> phyberoptix: with sudo indeed
[08:46] <method55-laptop> question: under network settings > general there is an option that says 'windows network' how do i get it so i can activate that section?
[08:46] <phyberoptix> YAY!
[08:47] <phyberoptix> thanx ogra
[08:47] <toxicfume> ogra: hey, thanks for the link, i managed to fix the problem already, thank you once again :)
[08:47] <NixerX> broodster, export JAVA_HOME=/path/to/java
[08:47] <NixerX> broodster, thats temporary tho.
[08:47] <ogra> toxicfume: i knew you could ;)
[08:47] <broodster> so i gotta do it
[08:47] <broodster> everytime i boot?
[08:47] <NixerX> broodster, not if you edit your /etc/profile
[08:48] <broodster> oh
[08:48] <zenrox> broodster,  if you added the stuffon the ubuntu guide to the bash.bashrc you wont have to do that
[08:48] <JDahl> broodster, or ~/.bashrc if you only want it for a single user
[08:49] <marjorie> if i run locale the first error is cannot set LC_TYPE to default locale:No File or directory
[08:49] <NixerX> ogra, how dose one get in contact with those who write the ubuntuguide. I have a couple of nice things I could add.
[08:49] <ogra> NixerX: rather add them to the official wiki, where they get reviewed
[08:50] <NixerX> ogra, Very cool.
[08:51] <phyberoptix> ogra
[08:51] <ogra> NixerX: just make an account and add what you want to... a note to the ubuntu-users ML would be nice if you created new pages, so everybody knows about them
[08:51] <Kamion> marjorie: sorry, no ...
[08:51] <phyberoptix> that didnt werk
[08:51] <phyberoptix> but i type /sbin/dhcleint and it did
[08:51] <ogra> phyberoptix: sudo pppoeconf ?
[08:52] <phyberoptix> pppoeconf didnt detect anything
[08:52] <ogra> phyberoptix: what kind of desl is that ? thats weird....
[08:53] <ogra> dsl
[08:53] <phyberoptix> adsl
[08:53] <phyberoptix> i have a modem/router
[08:53] <ogra> phyberoptix: ahh, ok.....
[08:53] <phyberoptix> but how can i get my winbox online ... i have a 2nd NIC with a cable ran to the winbox
[08:54] <ogra> phyberoptix: then justz configure your eth0 network connection.....
[08:54] <ogra> phyberoptix: install firestarter, there you can configure that
[08:55] <phyberoptix> apt-get install firestarter?
[08:55] <ogra> phyberoptix: yep
[08:55] <phyberoptix> arrgh
[08:55] <ogra> phyberoptix: ?
[08:55] <phyberoptix> fucking dependcies
[08:56] <phyberoptix> sry
[08:56] <ogra> phyberoptix: it is in warty universe....should just work
[08:56] <phyberoptix> 11 things is list on depnds
[08:57] <drspin> ogra - can I restore my system without erasing my $home data mostly
[08:57] <ogra> phyberoptix: maybe, i dont use it, but synaptic/apt should caer for that
[08:57] <ogra> drspin: do you have it on a extra partition ?
[08:58] <drspin> ogra: nope
[08:58] <zenrox> i keep my /home on a seprate partion just in case i have to reinstall for any reasion is good practice
[08:58] <drspin> zenrox: I will but I still have to copy the 50GB of windows stuff to a different drive...
[08:59] <zenrox> drspin,  just partion your / in to 2 seprat partions
[08:59] <zenrox> no need to move your 50gigs any ware else
[09:00] <drspin> zenrox: yup - current filesystem is NTFS and needs to change ;)
[09:00] <drspin> so i'm waiting till I get that stuff moved to fix my partitioning
[09:00] <drspin> so I don't have to do it over and over again
[09:01] <zenrox> drspin, got another drive your moving it to
[09:02] <drspin> zenrox: a friend of mine has a USB drive he's bringing over...
[09:02] <zenrox> drspin, kewl
[09:02] <ogra> drspin: good idea...
[09:02] <zenrox> hehehe
[09:02] <zenrox> ya
[09:02] <phyberoptix> why when i click a file to download it trys opening it with firefox than download it as a file?
[09:03] <zenrox> phyberoptix,  what type of file
[09:03] <phyberoptix> .deb
[09:03] <zenrox> right click on the file and save as
[09:03] <drspin> heh
[09:04] <broodster> oh i did do the things
[09:04] <broodster> to bash.bashrc
[09:04] <ogra> phyberoptix: download it and install it manually.....but be warned, it may have dependencys....
[09:05] <zenrox> broodster,  now do java -v
[09:05] <marjorie> Kamion: http://www.pastebin.com/134549
[09:05] <ogra> phyberoptix: what kind of program do you want to install ?
[09:05] <broodster> broodster@broodster:~ $ java -v
[09:05] <broodster> Unrecognized option: -v
[09:05] <broodster> Could not create the Java virtual machine.
[09:05] <phyberoptix> i just need to get my winbox online
[09:06] <zenrox> broodster,  you dint do the ln -s part of the ubuntuguide
[09:06] <ogra> broodster: java -version
[09:06] <ogra> broodster: -v doesnt work
[09:06] <zenrox> ok i was wrong
[09:06] <broodster> broodster@broodster:~ $ java -version
[09:06] <broodster> java version "1.5.0_01"
[09:06] <broodster> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_01-b08)
[09:06] <broodster> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 1.5.0_01-b08, mixed mode)
[09:07] <ogra> goooood
[09:07] <zenrox> then it works
[09:07] <broodster> but it doesnt
[09:07] <drspin> nice use of pastebin ;)
[09:07] <ogra> broodster: ?
[09:07] <ogra> broodster: what doesnt ?
[09:07] <zenrox> ya
[09:07] <broodster> whenever i look at something in java
[09:07] <broodster> it says
[09:07] <broodster> i dont have it installed
[09:07] <ogra> broodster: look at something ?
[09:08] <broodster> like
[09:08] <ogra> broodster: define that
[09:08] <broodster> try to play yahoo pool
[09:08] <broodster> or something
[09:08] <zenrox> you need to ln -s for moxilla
[09:08] <broodster>  $ sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[09:08] <broodster> $ sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[09:08] <broodster> i did
[09:08] <zenrox> hmm
[09:08] <ogra> broodster: you need to copy the plugin to ~/.mozilla/plugins
[09:08] <broodster> oh wait
[09:08] <broodster> no wonder
[09:08] <ogra> broodster: ah, oh
[09:09] <broodster> i have the amd 64 version installed
[09:09] <broodster> not i386
[09:09] <ogra> broodster: ln is tndeed the right way
[09:09] <marjorie> heh
[09:09] <zenrox> broodster, simple mistake
[09:10] <broodster> except
[09:10] <broodster> i dont have a plugin folder
[09:10] <broodster> either
[09:10] <broodster> in my java folder
[09:10] <broodster> i see lib bin man
[09:10] <ogra> broodster: maybe there is no plugin for 64bint
[09:10] <ogra> bit
[09:10] <zenrox> ya
[09:11] <ulx> installed ubuntu linux today.. great.. would like to use the root user though iso sudo.. is there a howto to migrate?
[09:11] <ulx> ogra: installed ubuntu linux today.. great.. would like to use the root user though iso sudo.. is there a howto to migrate?
[09:11] <ogra> broodster: i already heard you need a chroot environment for the flash plugin....this probably also applys for java :(
[09:12] <broodster> so in otherwords
[09:12] <ogra> ulx: you mean how to enable root ?
[09:12] <broodster> java doesnteven work
[09:12] <broodster> for amd64
[09:12] <ogra> ulx: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:12] <ogra> broodster: java works just fine, but there is no plugin compiled for you
[09:13] <broodster> then?
[09:13] <marjorie> compile urself :)
[09:13] <zenrox> broodster,  and that sucks
[09:13] <ogra> broodster: i think you will need chroot: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30095/16/Debian-amd64-HOWTO.html#chroot
[09:13] <phyberoptix> ogra cant i just setup a gateway for windoze to connect to thru ifconfig?
[09:13] <Kleggas> which package to install when I get this error? checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes
[09:14] <ogra> phyberoptix: you must tell your linux box that it should forward the traffic ....
[09:14] <drspin> Ogra: do you work for ubuntu?
[09:15] <ogra> drspin: unfortunately not *grin*.... see there :http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MaintainerCandidates i'm no 3
[09:15] <crimsun> ogra: what about the linux amd64 jre/jsdk 1.5.0 update 1 by Sun?
[09:16] <ogra> crimsun: does it contain a plugin ?
[09:16] <crimsun> both do
[09:16] <ogra> crimsun: broodster hasnt got one....
[09:17] <ls-a> hi there
[09:17] <zenrox> hello ls-a
[09:17] <Kleggas> X includes, in which package do I find them?
[09:18] <ls-a> i got a question
[09:18] <crimsun> Kleggas: for warty or hoary?
[09:18] <Kleggas> warty
[09:18] <broodster> ?
[09:18] <Friczy> Kleggas: xlibs-dev?
[09:18] <drspin> ogra: Oliver Grawert?
[09:18] <Kleggas> thanx
[09:18] <ls-a> i got this idea of streaming some music through my LAN. what do i need to do that? like radio you know
[09:18] <ogra> drspin: try a whois....
[09:18] <Friczy> Kleggas: not quite sure
[09:18] <broodster> i got it
[09:18] <drspin> ogra... LOL
[09:19] <drspin> ogra:: haven't used IRC in years... forgot about all the stuff I used to do...
[09:19] <buu> Eh, someone remind me how you install a downloaded .deb file?
[09:20] <ls-a> dpkg -i?
[09:20] <buu> ah
[09:20] <zenrox> ls-a is right
[09:21] <buu> sigh
[09:22] <buu> Point2Play
[09:22] <buu> Xlib: Connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[09:22] <buu> Xlib: No protocol specified.
[09:22] <phyberoptix> my bar on the bottom of my ubuntu screen is crooked on one side
[09:23] <phyberoptix> =] 
[09:23] <drspin> Ogra: Well my question was would it be reasonable to add a roll-back feature in Synaptic....
[09:23] <drspin> ??
[09:23] <crimsun> broodster: so you do have a plugin?
[09:23] <ogra> drspin: that would be great.....but the synaptic maintainer curently builds a lot of other features....exepect great things for hoary....
[09:24] <buu> Anyone got an idea how to make this work
[09:24] <ls-a> come on guys, tell me... what software do i need to stream some music online?
[09:24] <drspin> ogra: I'm pretty stoked about it
[09:24] <zenrox> ls-a iceserver
[09:24] <ogra> drspin: probably the time is enough for rollback too
[09:24] <buu> ls-a: perl
[09:24] <metrix> xmms
[09:24] <ls-a> zenrox, thamks, going to google:)
[09:25] <zenrox> ls-a n/p
[09:25] <ls-a> buu, perl like the scripting language?
[09:25] <zenrox> ls-a ice is like shoutcast
[09:25] <ls-a> zenrox, never heard of them both:(
[09:25] <buu> ls-a: Yes!
[09:25] <ls-a> buu, and what do i do with it?
[09:25] <zenrox> ls-a check out www.shoutcast.com
[09:26] <buu> ls-a: Write a server you silly.
[09:26] <zenrox> buu thats too much work
[09:26] <ogra> buu: pretty confusing to call an app like a lang.....
[09:26] <ls-a> buu, heh, could not get the joke:)
[09:26] <ogra> buu: hehe me neither
[09:26] <buu> It's like 5 lines of perl
[09:26] <buu> Not much work!
[09:26] <buu> But I digress.
[09:26] <buu> Someone make this shit work.
[09:27] <ls-a> buu, the theory of relativity is even smaller:)
[09:28] <mrd> Will 'mkfs.ext3 -c' report anything to stdout if it finds a bad block?
[09:28] <ogra> mrd: sure
[09:29] <mrd> Hm.
[09:29] <ls-a> zenrox, thanks
[09:30] <phyberoptix> ogra
[09:30] <ogra> yup
[09:30] <phyberoptix> i forgot that i changed source.list to hoary
[09:30] <phyberoptix> =\
[09:30] <phyberoptix> lol
[09:30] <ogra> heh
[09:30] <zenrox> ls-a n/p
[09:30] <phyberoptix> i changed it back to warty and did apt-get update and now its doing firestarter
[09:31] <ls-a> zenrox, found it in synaptic
[09:31] <amex> where do I set variables for Gnome? (like PATH)
[09:31] <ls-a> zenrox, icecast2:)
[09:31] <mrd> I was thinking maybe it was due to a hard drive failure or something, but 'mkfs.ext3 -cc' isn't reporting anything so far.
[09:31] <zenrox> yep thats it
[09:31] <ogra> phyberoptix: hopefully you didnt damage your sys
[09:31] <phyberoptix> all i did was install gcc
[09:33] <phyberoptix> ogra it said eth0 not ready
[09:33] <amex> does anyone now why editing /etc/profile didn't change variables under Gnome terminals?
[09:33] <amex> s/now/know
[09:33] <ogra> phyberoptix: firestarter ?
[09:34] <phyberoptix> yup
[09:34] <ogra> amex: in debian packages are supposed to install in a way that its not necessary to change PATH
[09:34] <eazel7> hi
[09:34] <drspin> ogra: is hoary useable?
[09:35] <ogra> phyberoptix: do you have a working eth0 ?
[09:35] <eazel7> how could I 'emerge' some package in ubuntu?
[09:35] <phyberoptix> yeah
[09:35] <ogra> drspin: breaks quite often......
[09:35] <drspin> apt-get install packagename-here
[09:35] <phyberoptix> the eth0 is how im connected online
[09:35] <drspin> ogra : boo
[09:35] <eazel7> I mean, I'd like to tell my system to build it
[09:35] <amex> ogra, ok, but if I need to set a variable like CLASSPATH, but I want that all user have this variable?
[09:36] <ogra> amex: install a java package that does it
[09:36] <Prasatko> Hi, i have installed gcc (using apt-get install gcc) but there is not standard library (header files and so on), How can I install it?
[09:36] <Agrajag> apt-get install build-essential
[09:37] <ogra> eazel7: sudo apt-get build-dep <pkg> && apt-get source -b <pkg>
[09:38] <Prasatko> Agrajag:  thanx
[09:38] <ogra> phyberoptix: it probably needs to shut the inteface down to configure it
[09:39] <phyberoptix> ahhhh
[09:39] <phyberoptix> then brb
[09:39] <drspin> ogra: so for my sound problem - do you think you could give me an idea where to start looking for a solution??
[09:39] <eazel7> ogra, thanks
[09:39] <drspin> ...how can I tell what kernel I am running ATM
[09:39] <amex> ogra, did you know if there is a package that does that?
[09:39] <mrd> drspin: uname -r
[09:40] <ogra> amex: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java method 0 offers a repo with java 1.5
[09:42] <amex> ogra, thank you very much :)
[09:42] <phyberoptix> nothing
[09:44] <eazel7> I'm needing the dev packages for sdl
[09:44] <eazel7> but I can't find them
[09:44] <ulx> thx ogra!
[09:45] <mrd> eazel7: libsdl1.2-dev maybe?
[09:45] <ogra> phyberoptix: nothing ?? i never used firestarter....
[09:45] <ogra> phyberoptix: you must enable ip forwarding between the two interfaces..,...
[09:47] <drspin> ogra: I believe that I have found my problem...
[09:47] <ogra> drspin: what is it ?
[09:48] <drspin> ogra : I did a refresh :: mark all upgrades :: Apply -- before making sure I turned off the backport repos >:S
[09:48] <drspin> that sucks!
[09:49] <ogra> drspin: it will get sorted in hoary (in fact it already is (the reload stuff))
[09:49] <drspin> installed kernel version: 2.6.8.1-16.5
[09:49] <drspin> :/
[09:49] <ogra> drspin 16 ?
[09:49] <Nigelenki> is cdrecord in universe
[09:50] <drspin> uname -r = 2.6.8.1-4-386
[09:50] <ogra> Nigelenki: nope, in main
[09:50] <Nigelenki> or like, any good GUI burning software my uncle can use
[09:50] <Nigelenki> *xcdroast
[09:50] <ogra> Nigelenki: nautilus
[09:50] <Nigelenki> sorry  :)  *CLI user*
[09:50] <Nigelenki> ogra:  To author audio CDs and do multitrack CD to CD copy?
[09:50] <ogra> Nigelenki: nautilus has burn capabilitys
[09:50] <ogra> Nigelenki: nope, just data
[09:50] <Nigelenki> he wants to copy music CDs
[09:50] <Nigelenki> :/
[09:51] <ogra> Nigelenki: i hate to say that.....
[09:51] <Nigelenki> I warned him a 10 track CD is a 1.5 million dollar fine
[09:51] <ogra> Nigelenki: install k3b
[09:51] <Nigelenki> he doesn't care
[09:51] <Nigelenki> k3b?
[09:51] <Nigelenki> you sure eroaster/gtoaster/xcdroast won't do it?
[09:52] <ogra> Nigelenki: i know, but its the best tool for the task.....
[09:52] <ogra> k3b howto https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988/
[09:53] <basse> g'evening :)
[09:53] <odo> basse: so, you did manage to come here :)
[09:53] <Nigelenki> ogra:  liferea would be nice too
[09:53] <ogra> Nigelenki: thats in universe
[09:53] <drspin> shouldn't my system be running a 686 kernel?
[09:54] <Nigelenki> ok
[09:54] <Nigelenki> ogra
[09:54] <drspin> as opposed to a 386 kernel?
[09:54] <Nigelenki> your link is demanding I log in
[09:54] <basse> i'm having a little problem here with my SMC Networks' USB->ethernet adapter.. tried loading the module rtl8150 with modprobe, but to no avail. got any ideas on how to get it work? this inspiron 4000 doesn't have anything else for eth..
[09:54] <basse> odo: yup, i did :)
[09:54] <Nigelenki> :/
[09:54] <ogra> drspin: 386 is the default.,.....
[09:54] <ogra> drspin: you must do it yourself if you want another one
[09:55] <mrd> (Doesn't ubuntu have 686 kernels?)
[09:55] <ogra> mrd: sure it has
[09:55] <Nigelenki> damnit damnit damnit *googles at ubuntu trying to find the sources.list for universe*
[09:55] <Kamion> mrd: linux-686
[09:55] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[09:55] <Nigelenki> I've not been able to find it though yet :/ Been trying for a half hour
[09:55] <ogra> Nigelenki: ^^
[09:56] <Nigelenki> k
[09:56] <ogra> Nigelenki: it is already in the sources.list...... just unciomment
[09:57] <kirgliz> iO iO ubuntu users :)
[09:57] <Nigelenki> thanks
[09:57] <drspin> ogra: I'll solve my sound problem before I go changing kernels ;)
[09:57] <amphigory> I'm having issues getting Warty to recognize a Linksys wusb11, with the atmel chipset.  lsusb sees the card, but I can't get the kernel to recognize it no matter what I do.  The device is known to be good (tested on my wife's windows box.)  Anybody have a suggestion?
[09:58] <amphigory> Or, for that matter, is anyone aware of a howto for configuring these @*(*(@!$!@ linksys usb wireless adapters?  I've googled for the past several hours with no success
[09:59] <NixerX> amphigory, did you try the network util?
[09:59] <ogra> amphigory: isnt that the prism2_usb usb one ?
[10:00] <ubuntu> I was wondering what the name of the program is to configure the sound card?
[10:00] <Nigelenki> the hell
[10:00] <ogra> amphigory: try sudo mopdprobe prism2_usb
[10:00] <Nigelenki> I put in an audio CD
[10:00] <Nigelenki> and a window popped up
[10:00] <Nigelenki> and started playing random songs
[10:00] <ogra> ubuntu: there is none
[10:01] <ubuntu> ogra: ?
[10:01] <ubuntu> no sndconfig
[10:01] <ogra> ubuntu: sound is controlled by the right kernel module (alsa)
[10:01] <ogra> ubuntu: no need for configuration here
[10:01] <ogra> ubuntu: just make sure the right module is loaded
[10:01] <NixerX> if im not mistaken alsa usually starts out muted.
[10:02] <ubuntu> muted
[10:02] <ogra> NixerX: not on warty afair
[10:02] <NixerX> ogra, again Ubuntu proves superior.
[10:03] <ogra> hehe
[10:03] <ogra> NixerX: wait for hoary
[10:03] <NixerX> ogra, I have it.
[10:03] <NixerX> :)
[10:03] <ogra> :)
[10:03] <RuffianSoldier> WHOAH!  This Ubuntu upgrade I just got done doing added Debian menus into the Gnome menu! YHAYAYHaY!
[10:03] <amphigory> ogra - no, this is the atmel one
[10:04] <NixerX> It kicks a##
[10:04] <ogra> amphigory: so: sudo modprobe atmel ?
[10:04] <NixerX> there is word of a kde release in the future.
[10:05] <ogra> NixerX: kubuntu, yes
[10:05] <NixerX> lol.
[10:05] <ubuntu> thanks again chaps
[10:06] <amphigory> ogra: tried it, no luck
[10:06] <ogra> :(
[10:06] <NixerX> amphigory, lsmod shows nothiing of interest?
[10:06] <Markrian> Does anyone know if it's possible to set a GTK theme system-wide?
[10:07] <amphigory> No - the atmel drivers appear to be loaded
[10:07] <ogra> amphigory: do you see it in the device manager ?
[10:07] <NixerX> amphigory, do you know what module is supposed to be loaded?
[10:08] <amphigory> ogra: no, but I do see it if I do "lsusb"
[10:08] <NixerX> Markrian, "system wide"? what do you mean? Accross Window managers or apps?
[10:08] <ogra> amphigory: ahh, wait
[10:08] <ogra> amphigory: sudo modprobe pegasus :))
[10:09] <Markrian> NixerX, across users
[10:09] <ogra> amphigory: thats the right module....
[10:09] <amphigory> NixerX: I'm assuming "atmel.ko"  I found something written for redhat 7.3 (!!) referencing a "modvent", but nothing lately mentions anything but atmel
[10:09] <amphigory> ogra: nothing thus far.  Let me try unloading the atmel and prism mods and try that
[10:10] <NixerX> Markrian, So basically a default theme.
[10:10] <amphigory> ogra: sadly, nope.
[10:11] <ogra> amphigory: yep. its for sure the right module, there is a lengthy therad in ubuntu-suers from oct....you probably need to add it to /etc/modules and reboot to get it recognized
[10:12] <amphigory> ogra: rebooting now
[10:12] <amphigory> I suppose this is what I get for buying cheap hardware. :)
[10:12] <mdke> hi all. How is it possible to make the computer rebootable from the gnome-logout dialogue like it is in ubuntu? I am trying to do it on a gentoo box
[10:13] <ogra> amphigory: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/005018.html
[10:13] <siimo> whenever i run apt i get this error : perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset),  LC_COLLATE = "C",  LANG = "en_US are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cann
[10:13] <siimo> ot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[10:13] <zerok> hi :-)
[10:13] <siimo> can someone help me fix this? i tried running dpkg-reconfigure locales and selected the locales i wanted
[10:14] <ogra> siimo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[10:14] <siimo> but it didnt help
[10:14] <ogra> siimo: should work for any clean warty system
[10:14] <zenwhen> hey ogra, are you an op in here?
[10:14] <sobralense> sorry, I know is want much... but will the newer version of warty live CD be shipped ?
[10:15] <ogra> zenwhen: nope, did you want to get banned ;)
[10:15] <ogra> ?
[10:15] <nigelenki> can't get access to CD burner
[10:15] <zenwhen> no ;o;
[10:15] <mdke> ogra is a bot
[10:15] <NixerX> lol
[10:15] <ogra> hehe
[10:15] <nigelenki> tis an ATAPI burner
[10:15] <zenwhen> ogra is an ATAPI burner?
[10:15] <nigelenki> and if I hdd=ide-scsi in menu.lst I get NO access (no scd0, no /dev/pg*, etc)
[10:15] <NixerX> rofl
[10:15] <ogra> nigelenki: tried with nautilus
[10:15] <ogra> nigelenki NO
[10:15] <ogra> nigelenki ide-scsi is deprecated
[10:16] <NixerX> nigelenki, cdrecord --scanbus aas root?
[10:16] <ogra> nigelenki use dev=/dev/hdX
[10:16] <nigelenki> yes nautilus sees it
[10:16] <ogra> nigelenki hwere X is the actual letter
[10:16] <nigelenki> and scanbus for dev=ATAPI just goes "HDA LOCKED OMFG" and dies
[10:16] <KickTheDonkey> Hello...
[10:16] <bobmepis>  zero
[10:16] <amphigory> ogra: still no luck
[10:16] <amphigory> hmm...
[10:16] <zerok> ogra:  small question again :-) so when the installation is finished (with xfs on / ) i should just run grub (with quit) twice?
[10:17] <nigelenki> ogra:  :( trying to use groaster
[10:17] <ogra> amphigory: seen the thread ?
[10:17] <gonkulator> possibly a dumb question... what are the system requirements
[10:17] <KickTheDonkey> I've got a small problem, and was hoping some one could point me in the right direction...
[10:17] <nigelenki> brb reboot to get rid of ide-scsi
[10:17] <ogra> nigelenki: use dev=/dev/hdX
[10:17] <nigelenki> we need a 2.6.10
[10:17] <gonkulator> i386?
[10:17] <amphigory> Yeah ... but the one I saw didn't seem to apply.  I was scannning through the archives to try and find the one you were talking about
[10:17] <NixerX> gonkulator, from the pressed CD....
[10:17] <KickTheDonkey> When I plug in my USB digital camera, Ubuntu freezes up...
[10:17] <KickTheDonkey> that is to say, completly locks up.
[10:17] <KickTheDonkey> any ideas what I should start looking for>
[10:17] <NixerX> gonkulator, 32mb ram350MD drive space min 1.8gb recommened
[10:18] <ogra> gonkulator: 600 Mhz 256MB 2G are pretty fine here
[10:18] <siimo> ogra, i have a clean warty system but it still gives the locale error after reconfiguring it do i need to reboot
[10:18] <ogra> siimo: probably, as the locale is read on boot
[10:18] <NixerX> KickTheDonkey, you mean X locks up :P
[10:18] <gonkulator> NixerX: good stuff, thanks
[10:18] <ogra> siimo: at least relogin
[10:18] <tvon|x31> KickTheDonkey: can you ssh in from another box?
[10:18] <DarkSilver> hello everybody !
[10:19] <KickTheDonkey> tvon, yes I can
[10:19] <valberg> hey how do i mount my cdrom drive in ubuntu... in every other linux i've used i just execute a 'mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom' command and it works...
[10:19] <KickTheDonkey> oh, you mean AFTER the lock up...
[10:19] <valberg> but it doesn't in ubuntu
[10:19] <KickTheDonkey> No, I haven't tried that....
[10:19] <ogra> valberg: doubleclick in drives ?
[10:19] <tvon|x31> KickTheDonkey: I'm just curious, it won't fix anything but it will let you shut it down properly
[10:19] <siimo> valberg, i think its /media/cdrom
[10:19] <ogra> valberg: there is no /mnt/cdrom in ubuntu
[10:20] <tvon|x31> KickTheDonkey: well, you could restart X too :)
[10:20] <valberg> hmm...
[10:20] <ogra> valberg: and mount /dev/cdrom should be enough
[10:20] <siretart> KickTheDonkey: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingProcedures
[10:20] <valberg> well i get a "wrong fs" error when i mount /dev/cdrom
[10:20] <valberg> :S
[10:20] <ogra> valberg: what kind of cd ?
[10:20] <drspin> if only it were possible to automatically select the (warty) version for every pack that isn't (warty) or (warty-security) and have it reinstall them all...
[10:21] <valberg> ogra, a sony cd-r 700mb
[10:21] <ogra> valberg: i mean what doi you mount
[10:21] <siimo> valberg,  cat /etc/fstab | grep cd
[10:21] <DarkSilver> I have a question : who do I have to contact about the packahe version in hoary ?
[10:22] <KickTheDonkey> siretart:  thanks....  I'll take a look see.  Would this give me the right information?http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingRemovableDevices
[10:22] <ogra> valberg: it should maount automatically if you put it in as long as you didnt touch fstb
[10:22] <siimo> valberg, then mount whatever it returns "mount /media/cdrom0" for me
[10:22] <NixerX> valberg, my /etc/fstab says: /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[10:22] <valberg> ogra, well /media/cdrom1/ just gives me no medium
[10:23] <valberg> ogra, and it doesn't mount automatically
[10:23] <valberg> NixerX, mine too
[10:23] <ogra> valberg: then something is wrong....look in Computer->Desktop Settings->Removable Media
[10:24] <valberg> ogra, well it starts the gnome cd player.. but it can't play anything...
[10:24] <valberg> it's a audio cd
[10:24] <ogra> valberg: you cant mount audio CDs
[10:24] <NixerX> :)
[10:25] <valberg> hmm...
[10:25] <bassinboy> what is the root password
[10:25] <ogra> valberg: they got no filesystem on them
[10:25] <DarkSilver> I have a question (sorry for repost): who do I have to contact about the package version in hoary ?
[10:25] <ogra> bassinboy: there is none
[10:25] <valberg> ahh... heh heh that's why it said wrong fs type :P
[10:25] <ogra> bassinboy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:25] <bassinboy> ogra: what do i use fr synaptic?
[10:25] <ogra> bassinboy: _your_ pw
[10:26] <bassinboy> ogra: Hm, thanks, whats the point of no root password?
[10:26] <ogra> bassinboy: read the wiki page, its worth to know this
[10:26] <bassinboy> hehe, thanks
[10:26] <ogra> bassinboy: root is locked
[10:26] <kent> Is ubuntu trying to make the layout of the gnome menu in the panel go into upstream gnome+
[10:26] <ogra> DarkSilver: which package ?
[10:27] <siretart> KickTheDonkey: take them as hints and advices to debug you problem.
[10:27] <DarkSilver> ogra, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9496
[10:27] <mjt> after reading the wiki page, it is still unclear to me why sudo is "better" than su
[10:27] <spikeb> more useful, certainly.
[10:27] <spikeb> better? don't ask me
[10:28] <ogra> DarkSilver: they get in automatically if sid is synced again.....
[10:28] <mjt> .. or than ssh root@localhost
[10:28] <ogra> DarkSilver: hoary regulary syncs with sid
[10:28] <DarkSilver> ogra: but some package are in Hoary before sid...
[10:29] <ogra> mjt:  ssh root@localhost ???
[10:29] <ccyrny> Hi, for several days now I've been experiencing mysterious system crashes of Ubuntu/Gnome. Does anybody have a clue how to fix this?
[10:29] <drspin> Valberg: if you don't have a cable from your CD-Drive to your soundcard, GnomeCDPlayer won't work
[10:29] <mrd> mjt: If you want a root shell with sudo, just do 'sudo -s'.
[10:29] <ogra> DarkSilver: yep....because they are made by ubuntu devs.... they then get synced back
[10:30] <drspin> ccyrny: does dmesg say anything about a kernel panic??
[10:30] <ogra> mjt:  ssh root@localhost ???
[10:30] <mrd> mjt: So what's the issue?
[10:30] <mjt> ogra: why not? is it strange?
[10:30] <DarkSilver> ogra: that would be better than hoary provides also its own packages (php5) instead of waiting them in SID
[10:30] <JDahl> drspin, doesnt the system freeze if you get a kernel-panic?
[10:30] <ogra> mjt:  allowing root ssh acces isnt very nice....
[10:31] <mjt> mrd: there's no "issue" - i'm just curious as of why ubuntu "forces" to use sudo
[10:31] <ccyrny> I'm going to check this now! Just a minute ...
[10:31] <drspin> JDahl: every system freeze I've ever had was a kernel panic
[10:31] <mrd> mjt: Because for ubuntu's target audience, the developers feel 'sudo' is a better fit.
[10:31] <ogra> mjt: <personal preference> that is really insecure </personal preference>
[10:32] <JDahl> drspin, yes... what I mean is, can you ever run dmesg if a kernel panic occured?
[10:32] <maps73> hy
[10:32] <ogra> mjt: i wouldnt allow root access via ssh on any of my systems....
[10:32] <mjt> ogra: it _is_ nice ;) in my sshd_config: AuthorizedKeysFile  /etc/ssh/authkeys/%u; AuthorizedKeysFile2  /dev/null; PermitRootLogin without-password;
[10:33] <bassinboy> can you add more package sources to synaptic?
[10:33] <JDahl> once you guys are finished debating over su vs sudo, maybe we can do vim vs emacs?
[10:33] <ogra> mjt: i can understand user@localhost and then su to root....
[10:33] <DarkSilver> ogra: But where can I ask for suggestions of package ? (MySQL 4.1.8 by default, or the choice between OOo 1.1.4 & 1.9.65 (it's 'only' 1.1.3 in hoary))
[10:33] <ogra> DarkSilver: either ubuntu-users or ubuntu-devel
[10:34] <zerok> ogra:  sorry, if you have 5 minutes :-) xfs as / : what exactly do i then have to do in or with grub?
[10:34] <mjt> ogra: and i do know how to manage my keys "securely", and will only allow to use ssh for users i know are accurate with their keys too
[10:34] <ogra> DarkSilver: there will be 2.0 if hoary goes public i think
[10:34] <ogra> zerok: run it twice.... from the console
[10:34] <DarkSilver> It could be cool if there was a Wiki page for the package wishlist !
[10:34] <ccyrny> Re: "kernel panic": I checked 'dmesg', but about the only error message was 'acpi: Unknown symbol acpi_processor_unregister_performance
[10:34] <ccyrny> acpi: Unknown symbol acpi_processor_register_performance'.
[10:34] <Poprocks> anyone know why I can barely ever view samba or smb shares in nautilus but my server works just fine?
[10:34] <DarkSilver> (beacause, some package are not really maintened by debian devel..)
[10:34] <zerok> ogra:  just `grub` and then "quit"?
[10:34] <drspin> where can I edit the "Custom" section for Synaptic?
[10:35] <ogra> DarkSilver: there is, look for hoary goals
[10:35] <mvo> drspin: look for the "filters"
[10:35] <bassinboy> can you install KDE and xfce?
[10:36] <mvo> drspin: "Settings/Filters"
[10:36] <ogra> zerok: kill the grub process from a termional and rerun the installer step
[10:36] <DarkSilver> ogra : that's not really the same
[10:36] <maps73> Hy, I'm using a GPRS connection on my ubuntu notebook. Please could anyone tel me if my connection it's fast or slow? thankyou in advance
[10:36] <ogra> DarkSilver: hoary will have all package versions that are in sid if hoary freezes....
[10:36] <DarkSilver> it's for the hoary release, and I'm talking for the "now" version
[10:37] <ogra> DarkSilver: warty ?
[10:37] <DarkSilver> ogra : yes, but for the packages that are not in sid or not up-to-date in sid ?
[10:37] <zerok> ogra:  you mean right when the you get to the desktop for the first time?
[10:37] <ogra> DarkSilver: warty doesnt recieve updates despite security stuff
[10:37] <DarkSilver> ogra: not warty, i'm talking about the devel-hoary I use everyday (I don't want to wait until march 2005 ;) )
[10:37] <ogra> zerok: huh ?
[10:38] <Poprocks> god nautilus is unstable in hoary
[10:38] <Poprocks> damn
[10:38] <ogra> DarkSilver: as i said it gets synced regulary.... dont ask me for the timeframe
[10:38] <drspin> ogra: I found all the packages that were changed -- perhaps I can downgrade :/
[10:38] <NixerX> orga, You know pam at all?
[10:38] <ogra> Poprocks: thats hoary
[10:38] <NixerX> ogra, You know pam at all?
[10:38] <Poprocks> ogra, yeah :/
[10:38] <ogra> NixerX: huh ?
[10:39] <zerok> ogra:  well *shrugs* it seems like grub had no problems with xfs during the "installation-boot" :-)
[10:39] <ogra> NixerX: did i miss something ?
[10:39] <NixerX> pluggable auth module?
[10:39] <ogra> zerok: wowie
[10:39] <ogra> NixerX: i know what pam is
[10:39] <DarkSilver> ogra : but it's wired... some new packages are up-to-date, and some older than 10 days in SID are not in horay... Seems like a "selected-sync"
[10:39] <sobralense> sorry, I know is want much... but will the newer version of warty live CD be shipped ?
[10:40] <NixerX> ogra, your 1 up on lotsa of people then. :)
[10:40] <ogra> DarkSilver: maybe, probably it are pkgs where someone just works on
[10:40] <ogra> DarkSilver: wouldnt be nice to overwrite his work with a sid version....
[10:40] <ogra> hoary is in flux....
[10:41] <zerok> ogra:  jupp :-) works like a charm :-) i just get 2 module failures during startup but fixing them should be a matter of ... a minute *g*
[10:41] <ogra> zerok: jep, thats harmless
[10:41] <ogra> zerok: pciehp ....
[10:41] <ogra> etc
[10:42] <zerok> ogra:  nope. the one from my not-existing floppy device and from the hardware random number generator :-)
[10:42] <ogra> zerok: ah, ok
[10:43] <zerok> ogra:  about 2 years debian and this is the first "debian" (no offense :-)) that i really like :D
[10:43] <ogra> zerok: hw random is also in my pciehp, shpchp list ;)
[10:43] <zerok> ogra:  ah :-)
[10:44] <ogra> zerok: i liked _my_ debins..... just to find out there came a distro that builds it similar *g*
[10:44] <ogra> zerok: so now i'm here *g*
[10:45] <zerok> ogra:  i used mandrake for nearly 2 years, then went to debian for about 1.5 years and since last summer i use gentoo on all machines. first i wanted to give ubuntu just a try but it seems to me like the perfect system for my laptop now :-)
[10:45] <nigelenki> how do I make gtk-gnutella connect?
[10:45] <nigelenki> on gentoo it just connected out of box
[10:46] <ogra> zerok :)
[10:46] <zerok> nigelenki:  perhaps there is a "connect" button in one of the lower corners?
[10:46] <nigelenki> zerok:  nope
[10:47] <eazel7> ahi ta
[10:47] <eazel7> problema de permisos
[10:50] <mikedo> hello, if anybody knows how make k3b working? CAN'T WRITE CD :(
[10:51] <JDahl> mikedo, can you be more specific? error messages and such...
[10:52] <mikedo> when I try to run it as non root it "can't find proper writer"
[10:52] <ogra> mikedo: did you set it up properly ?
[10:52] <nigelenki> ok
[10:52] <mikedo> But if as root then cannot connect to X server
[10:52] <nigelenki> 0.93.3 does not work
[10:52] <ogra> mikedo: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988/
[10:52] <nigelenki> 0.95 works
[10:52] <JDahl> mikedo, sudo k3b?
[10:52] <nigelenki> gtk-gnutella needs update
[10:52] <ogra> nigelenki: not in warty
[10:53] <nigelenki> ogra:  nope  :P
[10:53] <ogra> nigelenki: there are only security updates for warty
[10:53] <nigelenki> ogra:  but it's 100% unusable in warty universe apparently
[10:54] <ogra> nigelenki: thats bad, but wont get solved.....you could try to contact the backports ppl
[10:54] <mikedo> JDahl, sudo K3b gives nothing
[10:54] <ogra> mikedo: have you read the howto ?
[10:55] <nigelenki> ogra:  how long before hoary?
[10:55] <mikedo> JDahl, yes but somehow couldn't find :(
[10:55] <nigelenki> we need a t-minus on frontpage  :)
[10:55] <ogra> nigelenki: april
[10:55] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[10:56] <JDahl> mikedo, I take it that "sudo K3b" is just a typo... otherwise maybe you dont have k3b installed?
[10:56] <ogra> JDahl: he has to run k3bsetup ..... (obvously i'm invisible)
[10:57] <NixerX> l8tr all.
[10:57] <ubuntu> hello
[10:57] <ogra> JDahl: in a rootshell, not with sudo !
[10:57] <kawie> Hi all
[10:57] <mikedo> JDahl, I gess it is question of permiisions somewhere
[10:58] <kawie> I try ubunto first time today :)
[10:58] <de_wizze> how do I get to change ID3 info for mp3s and oggs?
[10:58] <mikedo> aqtually I didn't try yet k3bsetup in a rootshell, not with sudo , I will NOW
[10:58] <JDahl> ogra, I am inclined to agree on your visibility comment... that aside, I dont think you have to run k3bsetup... k3b will launch it the first it's executed
[10:59] <ogra> JDahl: k3bsetup needs root (not sudo !!) rights
[10:59] <stuNNed> don't do it sudo it will mess up your home dir, right ogra?
[10:59] <mikedo> JDahl, just the same
[10:59] <ogra> stuNNed: correct
[10:59] <neuro_> ogra: sudo su -
[10:59] <neuro_> :)
[11:00] <ogra> neuro_: not sure if that sets the $ENV right.....
[11:01] <mjt> fsvo "right": $HOME will be /root
[11:01] <mjt> (or whatever of root user)
[11:01] <mikedo> JDahl, do you know why it cannot connect to X server? or what it means? I new to linux, so if could explane
[11:01] <siretart> I think "sudo -H k3b" should do the trick
[11:02] <mikedo> siretart, what is "-H" ???
[11:02] <ogra> really safe is to run it from a rootshell, as the howto says
[11:02] <mjt> man sudo?
[11:03] <JDahl> my k3b works fine, and as I remember it I did not do what ogra recommend... maybe I manually changed properties on /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd as a matter of old habit
[11:04] <ogra> JDahl: so you tewked udev ? (else you cant change perms in /dev) ?
[11:04] <ogra> tweaked
[11:04] <mjt> ogra: why not? udev saves perms on quit and restores them on reboot...
[11:05] <JDahl> ogra, actually you're right.. I did just that
[11:05] <JDahl> forgot that
[11:05] <ogra> mjt: since which version ?
[11:06] <mjt> and.. it isn't quite necessary to mess with perms.. there's `cdrom' group, and the /dev/cdrom device is rw for group
[11:06] <ogra> mjt: afaik it only uses udev.rules and friends
[11:06] <bassinboy> i want to su and not have to type sudo ever command
[11:06] <ogra> mjt: and the default user is in the group
[11:06] <mikedo> what did tou do exactly: "I manually changed properties on /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd"????
[11:07] <JDahl> Mikedo, obviously that's not the best way to do it... why do you try what others are suggesting?
[11:08] <JDahl> s/do/don't/
[11:08] <bassinboy> ogra: heh, why is su a command when i can 't use it?
[11:08] <Kamion> bassinboy: you can, just not in the default configuration
[11:08] <Kamion> bassinboy: alternatively, 'sudo -s'
[11:09] <bassinboy> thanks
[11:09] <Kamion> 'sudo passwd root' if you really want to set a root password
[11:09] <mikedo> JDahl, no I don't, just want to get k3b!!! and i don know how?
[11:09] <mjt> ogra: well, i'm not really sure about the permissions -- haven't looked at that for a long time. now once we're here i looked again -- no it does not restore perms on restart.. for some reason i thought i does.
[11:11] <rhandl2> I am trying to play a DVD with totem and the screen ocassionally flckers pink... what gives?
[11:13] <mikedo> JDahl, hey but really, why it says "cannot connect to X server", what it means
[11:13] <mikedo> JDahl, sorry for troebling you
[11:14] <McThoro> hi all, I just installed mplayer, when I enter the command mplayer from the console, it says playing file and then just exits.
[11:14] <nde> try another movie instead of "the invisable man" ;)
[11:14] <McThoro> hehe
[11:15] <JDahl> mikedo, I dont know... how are you starting X? (and pls ask your Qs to channel so others feel like chipping in)
[11:17] <mikedo> I'm running fluxbox at login (if it helps :)
[11:26] <drspin> quitters
[11:26] <drspin> ;)
[11:28] <odyssey> hi does anyone else have issues with ubuntu locking up?
[11:28] <tonic81> hello, I want to know, How to install a LiveCD in my PC?
[11:28] <odyssey> tonic81, you cant install the live cd
[11:28] <sladen> odyssey: I think you might have to describe your problem in a little more detail
[11:29] <sladen> tonic81: don't.  Use the _install_ CD to _install_
[11:29] <tonic81> ok odyssey
[11:29] <tonic81> thanks
[11:29] <sladen> odyssey: does your machine get very, very hot at the same point?
[11:29] <drspin> does anyone remember who was helping me solve my audio problem last night?? I finished README.Debian and recompiled ALSA... and don't knwo what to do now...
[11:29] <odyssey> sladen, i dont think so... how can i tell?
[11:30] <sladen> odyssey: try touching it...
[11:30] <ubuntu> I was talking about not be able to get my sound card working, anyway I've done "modprobe ad1848" it installed, I did a lsmod and all the modules I need are in there now, somebody said something about alsa running muted?
[11:31] <sladen> ubuntu: try going to the mixer and changing the volume...
[11:31] <ubuntu> mixer
[11:31] <ubuntu> right
[11:32] <ubuntu> volume control? sladen
[11:33] <odyssey> sladen, it does appear hot although you could be onto something as i was running seti all of last night and the fans didnt really kick in
[11:33] <odyssey> ubuntu volume control yes
[11:33] <ubuntu> Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found
[11:34] <ubuntu> that was my error message
[11:36] <bratsche> Anyone here using an NVIDIA board with the nvidia binary driver?
[11:36] <odyssey> ubuntu you got that when you opened gnome-volume-control?
[11:36] <ubuntu> yes
[11:36] <Kamion> ubuntu: any chance of a less generic nickname, by the way? :-)
[11:36] <odyssey> its beyond me then sorry
[11:37] <hippie-boy> hows that Kamion
[11:38] <Kamion> works for me
[11:39] <hippie-boy> the modules installed where ad1848 uart401 sound soundcore
[11:40] <drspin> brb - need to restart
[11:40] <rhodan> hello thar
[11:41] <odyssey> sladen, you are right the system is running to hot, how can i remedy this?
[11:42] <bratsche> Anyone using nvidia binary driver?
[11:43] <gjc> Can someone please tell me, is it a crazy idea to install ubuntu as server? :)
[11:44] <JDahl> gjc, I dont think so, but personally I would Debian/Sarge (and maybe kernel 2.4)
[11:44] <JDahl> I would use..
[11:44] <gjc> it is labeled a 'desktop distribution', yet it comes with many supported server packages..
[11:44] <JayeAeotiv> Does anyone else find ubuntu a bit choppy or laggy?
[11:44] <gjc> JDahl: but Sarge has no security updates, according to debian web site
[11:45] <hippie-boy> maybe if I installed the modules during boot up things would work
[11:45] <gjc> since sarge is 'testing', and it says there only 'stable' has security updates
[11:46] <hippie-boy> modprode doesn't stick around after reboot right
[11:47] <gjc> bratsche: I tried using nvidia drivers, but nvidia driver + use tv tuner card = system freeze, so I had to give up
[11:50] <daniels> ogra: so, what's up?
[11:50] <bratsche> I just can't get the GLX extension to work for some reason.
[11:50] <ogra> daniels: upgraded my flowerpower imac yesterday xorg doesnt work but gdm starts fine with a black screen....any hints ? no errors so far....
[11:51] <ogra> daniels: i.e. i hear the drums....
[11:51] <smashie> hmm anyones running a transparent proxy on a remote mashine and got the forwards from the actual router  sucessfully working?
[11:51] <bratsche> http://www.mepis.org/node/view/2003 says to dpkg install nvidia-glx with the --force-overwrite option
[11:51] <bratsche> But I can't seem to get that to do anything.
[11:51] <daniels> ogra: (see #u-d)
[11:51] <bratsche> dpkg install <filename> --force-overwrite
[11:51] <ogra> daniels yep
[11:51] <bratsche> It says "dpkg: need an action option"
[11:51] <JayeAeotiv> I've written 3 quitting letters to my boss and haven't sent in a single one.
[11:51] <JayeAeotiv> lol
[11:54] <PotajiTo> wenas
[11:55] <Kamion> bratsche: --install not install
[11:56] <bratsche> Oops.  Thanks.
[11:56] <drspin> where is alsaconf?
[11:56] <bratsche> brb
[11:56] <eph> Can Ubuntu resize NTFS in the installer? and is NFORCE3 chipset supported?
[11:57] <Kamion> eph: NTFS> in the development release, yes, in the stable release, no
[11:57] <Kamion> eph: NFORCE3 should be fine, file a bug if stuff isn't detected
[11:57] <eph> im talking about resizing an NTFS partition .. not writing to files within one