[12:00] <Kamion> eph: yes, I know
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[12:00] <Kamion> the feature'll be in the next release, it didn't quite make the last one
[12:00] <eph> ok
[12:01] <eph> Correct me if im wrong but i thought Mandrake can do this
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[12:01] <eph> and has been able to for awhile
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[12:01] <eph> my entire disk is NTFS .. so somehow i need to resize it so Ubuntu can fit
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[12:02] <JDahl> cant knoppix do it?
[12:02] <bratsche> Kamion: You don't use nvidia-glx do you?
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[12:02] <erik> hey, I just dist-upgraded hoary and now nv-glx seems to be broken
[12:02] <erik> Xorg.0.log says:
[12:02] <bratsche> heh
[12:02] <bratsche> erik: Welcome to the club. =)
[12:02] <erik> (EE) Failed to load module "glx" (module does not exist, 0)
[12:02] <erik> oh, ok
[12:02] <bratsche> Yes, same for me.
[12:02] <erik> why does module not exist?
[12:02] <bratsche> I'm trying to figure out why it's broken now.
[12:03] <erik> I see libglx.so in the modules dir
[12:03] <erik> did they change the location of the modules dir or something?
[12:03] <bratsche> You do?  It's not there for me.
[12:03] <erik> yeah
[12:03] <bratsche> Look in /usr/lib/nvidia - what do you have there?
[12:03] <erik> Whooa broken stuff
[12:03] <erik> libnvidia-tls.so.1.0.6629
[12:03] <erik> tls_test_dso.so
[12:04] <Kamion> bratsche: no, sorry
[12:04] <erik> and 2 broken symlinks to libGL.so.1.xlibmesa and libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa
[12:04] <bratsche> erik: But no libGLCore right?
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[12:04] <erik> no GLCore.
[12:04] <de_wizze> how long before I can get auto detected multihead support?
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[12:04] <Kamion> eph: we'd have got it automatically if anyone had put the feature into parted; as it was, it took Anton to write a special-case hack for partman before our installer knew how to deal with it.
[12:05] <eph> Kamion, its not a personal attack on the dev team.. But how should i solve my prob so i can install Ubuntu?
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[12:06] <Kamion> eph: there are any number of live CDs around which have ntfsresize, or you could use one of the Hoary test CDs to do the resize and reboot before it gets around to actually installing anything :-)
[12:06] <eph> ok thanks
[12:07] <drspin> It seems that instead of /dev/dsp my system wants to use /dev/dsp1 -- how can I fix this???
[12:09] <drspin> brb
[12:09] <bratsche> erik: Hang on, I'll be back in a minute.
[12:09] <daniels> erik: yes, glx loading is broken
[12:09] <erik> daniels: confirmation is good :)
[12:10] <erik> daniels: anything easy I can do to fix it?  Or is it a problem in the Xorg build or something
[12:10] <daniels> erik: known issue, will be fixed in a while.  itmt, if you want a horrific workaround, sudo ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.{so,a}
[12:10] <erik> hahahaha
[12:10] <daniels> erik: problem in a xorg patch
[12:10] <erik> I was going to try that
[12:10] <daniels> yeah, it's kind of nasty; and by kind of, i do of course mean totally
[12:10] <erik> but thought "No.  NAH.  That's retarded."
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[12:10] <erik> and told myself I was stupid for ever thinking of it
[12:10] <daniels> heh.
[12:11] <erik> I'm going to restart X, if bratsche comes back can you tell him the same please?
[12:11] <erik> he has the same issue
[12:11] <daniels> 'k
[12:11] <erik> thanks :) and I'm out
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[12:14] <JayeAeotiv> I don't want to use vesa forever.  Anyone know of a driver for Radeon 7500?
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[12:14] <Poprocks> ok -- can someone tell me how _not_ to get the usblp module loaded at bootup?
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[12:15] <Poprocks> I'm using hpoj now and it accesses the usb printer without using usblp and they conflict
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[12:16] <cam__> are there any cool ubuntu community sites yet
[12:16] <zerok> stupid question: how can i configure the fonts wxgtk2 uses? bittorrent looks like some retro-game *g*
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[12:17] <Poprocks> zerok, built against gtk1?
[12:18] <Poprocks> lik it uses huge-ass non-aa'd fonts?
[12:18] <zerok> Poprocks, looks like that.
[12:19] <Poprocks> install `gtk-theme-switch'
[12:19] <bratsche> brb
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[12:19] <Poprocks> then run the program `switch'
[12:19] <zerok> .... there is too much emerge in my life ...
[12:20] <Poprocks> and..?
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[12:20] <drspin> alright -
[12:20] <zerok> Poprocks, is there no gtk2 btdownloadgui version?
[12:20] <drspin> I figured it out --
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[12:21] <Poprocks> zerok, ubuntu's wxgtk is built against gtk1
[12:21] <ArCHoNKoG> would anyone know why my usb 2.0 thumb drive is not working when i plug it in ?
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[12:21] <drspin> my ATI TV Capture card is getting registered with the mixer first... if I unload the capture card and the EMU10k1 drivers then restart the EMU10k1 stuff - BAM!
[12:21] <Poprocks> zerok, you can rebuild if you're feeling brave
[12:21] <drspin> it all works again :)
[12:21] <grepper> is something supposed to happen when you plug in a usb-storage type camera ?  I can mount them manually- just wondering if there was supposed to be something in place to do it automatically.
[12:21] <xirtam> where do i find ubunto packages for Xorg? sources.list entries ?
[12:22] <Poprocks> but i would recommend against it
[12:22] <Poprocks> grepper, wfm
[12:22] <drspin> How can I fix this??
[12:22] <Poprocks> grepper, you're everywhere aren't you?
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[12:23] <zerok> Poprocks, tnx. i think i will start reading the dpkg manpages after years again *g*
[12:23] <grepper> Poprocks, most of my is in a tiny spot behind my eyes right now  :P    (headache)
[12:23] <drspin> better question: how can I keep my kernel from loading driver X at boot time??
[12:23] <grepper> Poprocks, I'm building a box with ubuntu for my nephew
[12:24] <Poprocks> grepper, cool
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[12:25] <Poprocks> grepper, you're a smart guy so I'm assuming you already tried System -> Prefs -> removable storage?
[12:25] <carthik> Does anyone know of an app like QuickSilver for Mac OSX, available for linux?
[12:26] <grepper> Poprocks, and this is supposed to work ?
[12:27] <Poprocks> supposed to yea
[12:27] <grepper> looks like its supposed to pop up gthumb
[12:27] <grepper> nothing happens
[12:27] <grepper> I"ve never used hal/d-bus before - I'll look into it
[12:28] <Poprocks> grepper, do cds mount ok?
[12:28] <grepper> yep
[12:28] <Poprocks> oh ok
[12:29] <grepper> libhal.c 840 : Error sending msg: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_4cb_116_1000_-1_Y-388^^^^^030104WFC00002012478
[12:30] <subterrific> carthik: http://www.approcket.com that is getting ported to linux at some point
[12:30] <Crane|laptop> hello
[12:31] <subterrific> carthik: that url is wrong, http://www.candylabs.com/approcket/
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[12:33] <grepper> wow need info.capabilities ?  You already know its a usb storage device - just mount the damn thing  :P
[12:33] <subterrific> carthik: there are other various apps that work similar, but not exactly the same as quicksilver/launchbar
[12:33] <grepper> s/wow/who
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[12:34] <snerfu> I have run into a problem after some upgrades while using hoary, the linux-restricted-modules package would not install, after further investigation it seemed that the command it was running during postinstall: "sudo depmod -a -F /boot/System.map-2.6.9-1-386 2.6.9-1-386" returns a segfault. An strace didn't seem to reveal anything useful. One thing I have done is to reinstall the binutils package.
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[12:35] <julius_trop> hey there
[12:35] <Poprocks> grepper, heh
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[12:35] <Poprocks> it sure would be nice if it were that simple
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[12:35] <julius_trop> noob question if any cares to answer......
[12:35] <ed_gein> lol
[12:35] <Poprocks> juli
[12:35] <ed_gein> one of the few that actually know the name
[12:36] <sulkd> I only know it from the Slayer song :] 
[12:36] <Poprocks> julius_trop, rule #1:  don't ask to ask, just ask
[12:36] <julius_trop> so how do i create a root account in ubuntu
[12:36] <Poprocks> *sigh*
[12:36] <julius_trop> i have no password to su into
[12:36] <Poprocks> julius_trop, what's wrong with sudo?
[12:36] <sulkd> julius_trop, use sudo -s, and the password is the one for your account
[12:37] <julius_trop> ah i see
[12:37] <sulkd> Poprocks, dude, tone the attitude down
[12:37] <Poprocks> sorry, I keep forgetting this isn't #debian or #archlinux
[12:37] <Poprocks> and also I got my wisdom teeth out thismorning
[12:37] <julius_trop> worked smooth distro guys grats just installed :)
[12:38] <carthik> subterrific, thanks, which are the tools you were talking about? (similar to quicksilver)
[12:39] <ed_gein> Unable to eject media "eject: unable to eject, last error:invalid argument"
[12:39] <drspin> ed: what does dmesg |tail say?
[12:40] <ed_gein> hdc: command error: error=0x54
[12:40] <ed_gein> end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 1924
[12:40] <ed_gein> Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 481
[12:40] <ed_gein> cdrom: open failed.
[12:40] <ed_gein> cdrom: open failed.
[12:40] <ed_gein> cdrom: open failed.
[12:40] <ed_gein> UDF-fs: No VRS found
[12:40] <ed_gein> UDF-fs: No VRS found
[12:40] <ed_gein> UDF-fs: No VRS found
[12:40] <ed_gein> UDF-fs: No VRS found
[12:40] <Poprocks> ed_gein, I have the exact same problem ;-)
[12:40] <ed_gein> its very strange
[12:41] <ed_gein> just did a clean install and this pops up
[12:41] <ed_gein> but atleast mplayer works now
[12:41] <Poprocks> ed_gein, sudo eject /dev/hdc
[12:41] <Poprocks> but as I always say that doesn't solve the problem, it only pokes at the symptoms
[12:41] <julius_trop> okay who is working on an eq port for linux :)
[12:41] <odyssey> Poprocks, why are you trying to eject your harddrive?
[12:42] <Poprocks> odyssey, no my cd-rom drive
[12:42] <ed_gein> that worked thanks
[12:42] <snerfu> julius_trop, eq2?
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[12:42] <julius_trop> eq1
[12:42] <ed_gein> Would love to know why its happening thouhg
[12:43] <Poprocks> ed_gein, same, brb, I'm going to try a few things and let you know what happens
[12:43] <ed_gein> ok
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[12:44] <snerfu> Theres always a tale in the desert
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[12:46] <jeff2> ubuntuguide.org says I should link /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so ... what path would I use on amd64? I unpacked the 1.5.0_01 64-bit JRE from Sun, and it runs, but there isn't any "plugin" directory
[12:46] <ed_gein> jeff2:you can make the mozilla plugin directory
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[12:47] <jeff2> ed_gein: I mean there isn't any plugin directory in /usr/bin/jre1.5.0_01
[12:47] <jeff2> ed_gein: there is no libjavaplugin_oji.so to link
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[12:51] <julius_trop> jeff2 can you do like whereis libjavaplugin and find it that way?
[12:51] <Kamion> jeff2: I suspect Sun simply don't have a Netscape/Mozilla plugin for amd64
[12:51] <crimsun> (they do)
[12:51] <julius_trop> then you can do a symlink to it from mozilla plugin directory
[12:51] <crimsun> hmm
[12:51] <Kamion> crimsun: they do? I looked a while ago and didn't find one
[12:51] <crimsun> sorry, I misread
[12:51] <jeff2> looks like blackdown has a 64-bit java plugin
[12:52] <Kamion> I remember because I would have preferred amd64 or powerpc, since those are the architectures on my desk, and had to dig out an old laptop
[12:52] <Kamion> s/and/but/
[12:52] <jeff2> seems that all the blackdown java packages are broken :(
[12:53] <drspin> for a default kernel, removing a line from /etc/modules.conf would be safe?
[12:53] <julius_trop> does ubuntu come with gcc
[12:54] <jeff2> julius_trop, not by default, you have to apt-get install gcc
[12:54] <crimsun> julius_trop: sudo apt-get install build-essential
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[12:55] <julius_trop> nice, easy..
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[12:57] <drspin> ??
[12:57] <nirai> Anybody having problems with Firefox after imlib1 upgrade?
[12:58] <jeff2> nirai: works fine here
[12:58] <ArCHoNKoG> nirai, same for me
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[01:01] <nirai> My Firefox is completely broken.  Sometimes it even freezes up the desktop.
[01:01] <crimsun> nirai: imlib1 upgrade? for hoary?
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[01:01] <nirai> Its for Warty.
[01:01] <odyssey> nirai does it lock up X?
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[01:02] <crimsun> nirai: why would imlib1 have been upgraded on Warty?
[01:02] <nirai> Yes I can see outputs scrolling by on my shell but all inputs are no no.
[01:02] <crimsun> nirai: do you have version 1.9.14-16ubuntu1.1 installed?
[01:02] <CARG> hello everybody, I need some help, I am new to Ubuntu/linux and have problems configuring my modem
[01:03] <nirai> Wait a sec...
[01:03] <Kamion> crimsun: why> security update, obviously ...
[01:03] <crimsun> Kamion: hence why I'm asking about the .1 :)
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[01:04] <crimsun> it still shouldn't affect mozilla-firefox, however. It runs fine on the workstations here.
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[01:04] <sayao> hello
[01:04] <sayao> how do i configure the startup services
[01:05] <odyssey> i found that firefox 1.0 made X freeze mysystem
[01:05] <nirai> imlib11 1.9.14-15ubuntu1
[01:05] <sayao> odyssey, it works fine for me
[01:05] <drspin> how can I keep the 'bttv' driver from loading on startup??
[01:05] <drspin> odyssey: works well for me as well
[01:05] <crimsun> nirai: the version I pasted above is the current Warty version.
[01:06] <crimsun> drspin: sudo echo bttv >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[01:06] <nirai> sorry its imlib-base 1.9.14-16ubuntu1.1
[01:06] <drspin> crimsun: was it you that was helping me with my missing /dev/dsp  issue?
[01:06] <crimsun> nirai: downgrade to the previous revision and see if that resolves it
[01:07] <drspin> yesterday
[01:07] <crimsun> drspin: more than likely
[01:07] <nirai> Alright thanks.  I'll try that.
[01:07] <CARG> crimsun, it seems like you can help me, how do I setup my modem, I was configuring a dialup and is not detecting my modem
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[01:07] <drspin> crimsun: I not only solved the problem, I did it ALL BY MYSELF... as Orga was not liking my FF1.0 and Gaim 1.1 backports....
[01:08] <crimsun> drspin: good for you!
[01:08] <drspin> crimsun: thanks for your help last night -- you at least got me moving in the right direction!
[01:08] <crimsun> CARG: perhaps someone else is better for modems on Linux. I haven't used one for several years.
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[01:08] <CARG> OK, thanks a lot anyway
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[01:09] <crimsun> CARG: have you by chance looked on the wiki or forum?
[01:09] <CARG> I am looking right now
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[01:09] <CARG> let me see if I see something
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[01:10] <drspin> crimsun: sudo echo bttv >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist give a permission denied; but it work from a root terminal
[01:10] <snerfu> can anyone dcc me their depmod binary please?
[01:10] <nirai> downgraded to previous version.  Firefox is still unresponsive and it still seems contagious.
[01:11] <crimsun> nirai: then it's not imlib1's fault :)
[01:11] <siretart> drspin: right, you echo with root permissions but try to append as user ;) try something like "echo bttv | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist"
[01:11] <crimsun> nirai: (as I suspected)
[01:11] <nirai> Ok that much is known.
[01:12] <drspin> siretart: thanks!!
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[01:18] <speel> hey sup.. how do you install the wmv codecs?
[01:19] <e-Jah> speel: add the marillat source and install the package w32codecs
[01:19] <e-Jah> spacey: on www.ubuntuguide.org you can found the source ;)
[01:20] <speel> ah its only the w32codecs package?
[01:20] <e-Jah> ok, now goto bed, good night all
[01:20] <e-Jah> speel: yep
[01:20] <speel> ok thanks
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[01:22] <defendguin> guys i dont know what the problem with ubuntu's boot process is but half the time it freezes during boot.  other distrobutions on the same laptop boot fine
[01:23] <ed_gein> does it hang at starting hotplugging subsystem?
[01:23] <defendguin> i like ubuntu i want to use it but i cant justify having to reboot twice before i am able to use it  especially on a laptop
[01:23] <drspin> later guys
[01:23] <sayao> does the ht flag on /proc/cpuinfo means that my cpu supports hyperthreading?
[01:24] <defendguin> i dont think it was on the hotplug
[01:24] <sjoerd> sayao: yeah
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[01:24] <sayao> sjoerd, nice :)
[01:24] <ed_gein> thats where my system hangs
[01:24] <julius_trop> defendguin i get errors at hotplug sometimes
[01:24] <sayao> but my cpu is a celeron
[01:24] <defendguin> i really cant say for sure because i replaced ubuntu with fedora core 3
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[01:25] <julius_trop> works okay in slackware but uses different kernel also
[01:25] <speel> how do you install the wmv codecs? beacuase the win32codec packages dont work
[01:25] <speel> it works but wmvs dont work
[01:25] <defendguin> also something with the ubuntu kernel doesnt allow me to use one of my usb keys
[01:26] <defendguin> fedora seems to be ok with the file system on the key
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[01:27] <victor> hola
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[01:29] <zerok> hi there again :-)
[01:29] <zerok> another question (sorry :-) ) : does the hoary branch include wxgtk that is built again gtk2?
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[01:30] <eladio> nick test
[01:30] <eladio> help.. trying to print from my ubuntu machine to windows xp networked printer
[01:30] <crimsun> zerok: yes, in 'universe'
[01:30] <crimsun> zerok: 'libwxgtk2.5.3'
[01:31] <crimsun> version 2.5.3.2
[01:31] <calc> crimsun: hi :)
[01:31] <crimsun> calc: hi :)
[01:31] <calc> i finally got some drugs so i am feeling better :)
[01:31] <crimsun> calc: awesome! good to hear :)
[01:31] <julius_trop> mplayer looks like good music player..
[01:31] <eladio> network printer is shared and can be viewed using smbclient command
[01:31] <julius_trop> built in codecs
[01:31] <zerok> crimsun, thanks :-) then i will give hoary a try :-) (i simply can'T see wxgtk being gtk1 :P )
[01:32] <speel> how do you install the wmv codecs? beacuase the win32codec packages dont work
[01:32] <eladio> any ideas?
[01:32] <julius_trop> speel i might try to install xine or mplayer
[01:32] <phyberoptix> i cant resolve host
[01:33] <phyberoptix> any hosts
[01:33] <julius_trop> i'll try it got a fast connection here
[01:33] <ed_gein> speel:try installing mplayer from hoary
[01:33] <ed_gein> speel:search the wiki
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[01:35] <phyberoptix> why has all of sudden i cant resolve hostnames?
[01:35] <Poprocks> who was it that was having those eject errors?
[01:36] <crimsun> Poprocks: several people were
[01:36] <Poprocks> `adduser poprocks disk` seems to do the trick (where poprocks is your username)
[01:36] <Poprocks> remember to log out & back in
[01:37] <Tacitus> This is braindead.  Re-installed Firefox from scratch and its still broken.  Anybody with experience on Firefox crashes?
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[01:37] <MagicFab> Merry Xmas & Happy Holidays to all
[01:37] <MagicFab> Needing some help with the floppy module
[01:37] <MagicFab> My laptop doesn' t have a floppy
[01:38] <MagicFab> yet Ubuntu tries to load its module... how can I prevent this ?
[01:38] <MagicFab> Searched in /etc/modules, not there
[01:38] <julius_trop> MagicFab i think you can edit the boot script
[01:38] <julius_trop> /etc/....somewhere in there :)
[01:39] <MagicFab> Where would that be ..? :D
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[01:39] <julius_trop> <-----------noob
[01:39] <crimsun> Tacitus: are you using '0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3'?
[01:39] <Tacitus> Wait a sec...
[01:40] <Tacitus> Yes with warty on the end.
[01:41] <MagicFab> mmmhh . in /etc/init.d there' s a few init scripts
[01:41] <crimsun> Tacitus: you have a "warty" string appended?
[01:41] <Tacitus> No its in brackets as explanation.
[01:41] <ogra> MagicFab: /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[01:42] <crimsun> Tacitus: oh, in Synaptic?
[01:42] <ogra> MagicFab: add it in the end
[01:42] <Tacitus> Yes I'm using Synaptic.
[01:43] <crimsun> Tacitus: ok, that's fine.
[01:43] <MagicFab> ogra: heard about that before.
[01:43] <crimsun> Tacitus: any particular pattern to when it hangs?
[01:43] <MagicFab> Will try, BRB
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[01:44] <Tacitus> When I start up Firefox it stats up fine.  As soon as I try to interact with it by mouse or whatever it starts to freeze itself.
[01:44] <Tacitus> When I click on any of the menu tabs the whole desktop locks up.
[01:45] <crimsun> Tacitus: what graphics driver are you using?
[01:45] <Tacitus> Then I can't even switch to shell.
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[01:45] <Tacitus> Is that dmesg?
[01:45] <crimsun> Tacitus: no, graphics driver
[01:46] <crimsun> Tacitus: here, what graphics card are you using?
[01:46] <Tacitus> Yeah what the command to look up the driver?
[01:46] <Tacitus> It uses Radeon 9200
[01:46] <crimsun> are you using fglrx or radeon?
[01:47] <sayao> radeon reminds me of crappy drivers that make my X freeze
[01:48] <Tacitus> Can't tell.  I use the default kernel.
[01:48] <crimsun> Tacitus: paste your /var/log/XFree86.0.log on pastebin.com
[01:48] <Tacitus> Ok hang on a minute.
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[01:49] <MagicFab> Hello
[01:49] <Poprocks> I've got a radeon 9250, works perfectly with Xfree 4.3 and X.org 6.8 & radeon driver
[01:50] <MagicFab> Just rebooted to check the balcklist suggestion for the floppy module
[01:50] <MagicFab> it works! Many thanks. Now I boot without the " FATAL"  error message that my floppy doesn' t exist
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[01:52] <ogra> :)
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[01:54] <Tacitus> crimsun:  Its pasted.  Where do I send it to?
[01:56] <crimsun> Tacitus: pastebin.com
[01:56] <Tacitus> I think I might be having a problem.
[01:57] <Tacitus> Mozilla is having problem sending the paste through.
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[02:00] <JayeAeotiv> Does the music player not play mp3s?
[02:00] <treed> it should
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[02:00] <JayeAeotiv> None of my mp3's will play
[02:01] <treed> I'm guessing that you're using fedora
[02:01] <JayeAeotiv> says it doesn't have a plugin
[02:01] <treed> or maybe ubuntu
[02:01] <JayeAeotiv> I'm using ubuntu
[02:01] <ctd> treed: This is #ubuntu, you know.
[02:01] <treed> there's a restricted format wiki page that'll help you out
[02:01] <treed> oh, heh
[02:01] <treed> sorry, I thought it was #rhythmbox
[02:01] <JayeAeotiv> lol
[02:01] <Tacitus> crimsun: I can't paste anything through my browser.
[02:01] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:01] <JayeAeotiv> What's the package called?
[02:01] <JayeAeotiv> ty ogra
[02:02] <JayeAeotiv> I've noticed that I seem to lag a bit.
[02:02] <JayeAeotiv> not net wise.
[02:02] <JayeAeotiv> but just in general
[02:02] <JayeAeotiv> The windows seem to tile a little when I move them and the like.
[02:02] <JayeAeotiv> Is this normal?  I think it's because I'm using a generic graphics driver.
[02:04] <crimsun> Tacitus: can you upload your /var/log/XFree86.0.log to a web site?
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[02:05] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, as for the mp3s, open synaptic and install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:05] <Poprocks> it can't play mp3s out of the box for various reasons
[02:05] <Poprocks> and as for the lagginess, what video card do you have?
[02:06] <Tacitus> crimsum: I don't think I can send any paste through http.
[02:06] <Tacitus> Is there a wput?
[02:06] <JayeAeotiv> radeon 7500
[02:06] <JayeAeotiv> There's no driver for it
[02:06] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, yes there is
[02:06] <ed_gein> Poprocks:any luck with cdrom problem
[02:06] <Poprocks> use the 'radeon' driver
[02:07] <JayeAeotiv> I've read about it but can't find it
[02:07] <Poprocks> ed_gein, try `adduser username drive'
[02:07] <ed_gein> ahhhhhh
[02:07] <JayeAeotiv> I've searchd on synaptic, google, etc.
[02:07] <JayeAeotiv> no radeon
[02:07] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, are you running 4.10?
[02:07] <scizzo> JayeAeotiv: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3713.html
[02:07] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select radeon
[02:07] <scizzo> JayeAeotiv: there is a howto there about fglrx
[02:07] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, it's already installed but you're just not using it for some reason -- same thing happened with me -- I'm on a radeon 9250
[02:07] <scizzo> JayeAeotiv: read it
[02:07] <JayeAeotiv> ogra, radeon isn't in that list.
[02:07] <ogra> scizzo: thats dangerous
[02:08] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, are you on 4.10?
[02:08] <JayeAeotiv> I have no idea
[02:08] <scizzo> ogra: it is?
[02:08] <scizzo> ogra: works fine on my laptop
[02:08] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, does "warty warthog" ring a bell?
[02:08] <Tacitus> crimsun: hang on I'll paste it from another location.
[02:08] <ogra> scizzo: fglrx doesnt work with _all_ 7500 radeons
[02:08] <JayeAeotiv> poprocks, yes
[02:08] <Tacitus> No censorship will stop me from pasting.
[02:08] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, open up /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 with your preferred editor
[02:08] <JayeAeotiv> scizzo, fglrx doesn't work with mine.
[02:08] <Poprocks> as root
[02:09] <scizzo> ok
[02:09] <ogra> scizzo: so you should also give an advice how to switch back again
[02:09] <Poprocks> why does everyone seem to prefer fglrx over radeon?
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[02:09] <Poprocks> radeon works great on my 9250...
[02:09] <JayeAeotiv> Poprocks, it's open.
[02:09] <daniels> Poprocks: if you find out, you'd be a millionaire
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[02:09] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, the radeon driver is also open
[02:09] <Poprocks> maintained by the dri project
[02:10] <JayeAeotiv> poprocks, I mean the file is open lol
[02:10] <Poprocks> oh
[02:10] <Poprocks> lol
[02:10] <ogra> Poprocks: you know that none of the config tools will work anymore after you edited the X config manually i guess
[02:10] <JayeAeotiv> I could care less if something is open source or not.
[02:10] <JayeAeotiv> unless I'm wanting to change it of course
[02:10] <scizzo> on my card the radeon driver is messing up the graphics..the fglrx works fine
[02:10] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, search the file for "ati"
[02:11] <JayeAeotiv> Identifier "ATI Technoliges, Inc. Radeon 7500 (RV200QW)
[02:11] <Poprocks> there will be a `Section "Device"`
[02:11] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, right
[02:11] <JayeAeotiv> yep
[02:11] <scizzo> ogra: well sorry....I suggested fglrx just because I am using it with the one card I have...didn't know that it had problems with 7500 cards
[02:11] <JayeAeotiv> Driver "vesa"
[02:11] <Poprocks> what's in quotes next to "Driver"
[02:11] <ogra> scizzo: not with all :)
[02:11] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, try changing vesa to radeon, saving & quitting and restarting x
[02:11] <JayeAeotiv> How do I restart x without rebooting?
[02:12] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: dont edit , dont save !!
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[02:12] <ed_gein> ctr alt bkspace
[02:12] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: use the config tool to do it
[02:12] <Poprocks> ogra, is there an ubuntu way of doing it?
[02:12] <ogra> Poprocks: an debian way
[02:12] <Poprocks> oh
[02:12] <ogra> Poprocks: the config tools check the md5 sum of the file
[02:12] <Poprocks> ogra, well could you explain the debian way of doing it
[02:12] <JayeAeotiv> ogra, it's not in the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:12] <nevyn> is there an infobot in here?
[02:13] <ogra> Poprocks: if it doesnt mazch they dont write to it anymore
[02:13] <zerok> JayeAeotiv, logging out should be enough as xdm afaik also "restarts x" internally
[02:13] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: even ati isnt in there ?
[02:13] <JayeAeotiv> ati is
[02:13] <Poprocks> yeah that's weird, mine defaulted to ati
[02:13] <JayeAeotiv> but that driver doesn't work
[02:13] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, yeah it didn't work for me either
[02:13] <Poprocks> but changing it to radeon worked
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[02:14] <LinuxNIT> how big of a partition do i need to install ubuntu?
[02:14] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: ok... if you edit hat file you will have to do all changes manually in the future, if you can cope with that, its ok...
[02:14] <ogra> LinuxNIT: with desktop 2G
[02:14] <LinuxNIT> laptop
[02:14] <LinuxNIT> its going on a Ibook
[02:14] <Poprocks> I personally stay away from graphical configurators other than gnome specific stuff
[02:14] <JayeAeotiv> Can I just change it back then do whatever needs to be done otherwise?
[02:14] <JayeAeotiv> then chagne it again?
[02:14] <ogra> LinuxNIT: with desktop software
[02:15] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, you could cp XF86Config-4 XF86Config.bak
[02:15] <Poprocks> and then change XF86Config-4
[02:15] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: the md5 sum wont match anymore....
[02:15] <ogra> Poprocks: thats the sane way, yes :)
[02:15] <Poprocks> so if something messes up you can just delete XF86Config-4 and rename XF86Config.bak to XF86Config-4
[02:15] <JayeAeotiv> Well I already hit save before ogra told me not to.
[02:16] <ogra> heh, ok
[02:16] <JayeAeotiv> so I suppose I can do things manually
[02:16] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, if you just remember to change back to vesa it will be ok
[02:16] <ogra> do it then :)
[02:17] <LinuxNIT> so i need 2 gigs?
[02:17] <JayeAeotiv> yeah if I change it back to vesa will the sum match?
[02:17] <JayeAeotiv> or does it match the file's last modified date as well?
[02:17] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, yes
[02:17] <JayeAeotiv> So what's the config way to do it?
[02:17] <JayeAeotiv> dpkg-reconfigure?
[02:18] <JayeAeotiv> I'll not even bother.
[02:18] <ogra> LinuxNIT: for a default desktop environment install, yes....you can do a custom install and tailor it smaller but loose functionallity
[02:18] <JayeAeotiv> I already saved it might as well see.
[02:18] <Poprocks> yeah JayeAeotiv
[02:18] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, are you in runlevel 3 or 5?
[02:18] <LinuxNIT> oh ok i see iwas abit confused but i understand now
[02:18] <JayeAeotiv> Poprocks, I have no idea.
[02:18] <ogra> Poprocks: debian only uses 2
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[02:18] <Poprocks> ogra, ah, forgot about that
[02:19] <ogra> Poprocks: there is no difference between all the runlevels
[02:19] <Poprocks> ogra, it just starts the dm in 3 right?
[02:19] <JayeAeotiv> I'll be right back and tell you how it goes.
[02:19] <ogra> Poprocks: nope it uses 2
[02:19] <ogra> Poprocks: and they all are the same
[02:20] <ogra> Poprocks: its up to you to add/remove symlinks to change them
[02:20] <Poprocks> k
[02:20] <Poprocks> I must say, I find Slackware & Arch's to be much simpler
[02:20] <Poprocks> but oh well
[02:21] <Poprocks> (initscripts, that is)
[02:21] <nevyn> sysv init > bsd init seriously
[02:21] <nevyn> it's a little more complicated at first.
[02:21] <Poprocks> yeah, I'm just used to it that's all
[02:21] <nevyn> but bsd init is a maze of twisty little shell scripts all a like.
[02:21] <Poprocks> but I should learn both anyway
[02:21] <Poprocks> but I miss my rc.conf dearly
[02:22] <ogra> heh
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[02:22] <nevyn> there's a utility for changing init stuff. update-rc.d
[02:22] <ogra> nevyn: nope
[02:22] <zerok> i really have to alias emerge="apt-get" arghhh *g*
[02:22] <nevyn> but I usually just mv the simlink's manually.
[02:22] <nevyn> ogra: ubuntu droped that?
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[02:23] <ogra> nevyn: update-rc.d is neither a admin nor a user tool
[02:23] <BzBB_linux> is it possible to install from a livecd?
[02:23] <ogra> nevyn: its a backend for apt
[02:23] <ogra> BzBB_linux: nope
[02:23] <Tacitus> crimsun: This paste is too big for the remote to handle.  I'll have to paste them in a few lines at a time.  Will take a while.
[02:23] <ogra> BzBB_linux: take the install cd for that
[02:23] <BzBB_linux> ok
[02:23] <nevyn> ogra: see that's how I always viewed but I've been told I'm wrong by "debian people" often
[02:23] <BzBB_linux> thanks
[02:24] <ogra> nevyn: all your changes get reverted on next update
[02:24] <nevyn> hrm that's bad.
[02:24] <ogra> nevyn: ....to the package defaults
[02:24] <nevyn> eep. that's very bad.
[02:24] <BzBB_linux> this stuff has gotten so much nicer since debian 2.2 which was the last distro I used
[02:24] <ogra> :)
[02:25] <ed_gein> Tacitus:use #flood
[02:25] <nevyn> BzBB_linux: you realise that ubuntu is debian 3.0 +abit right?
[02:25] <BzBB_linux> yes
[02:25] <ogra> rather debian (still unreleased) 3.1 + a lot ;)
[02:26] <nevyn> ogra: true.
[02:26] <ogra> hehe
[02:26] <Kamion> Debian unstable actually
[02:26] <Kamion> 3.1's a separate branch ...
[02:26] <BzBB_linux> I dreamed I was using gnome last night
[02:26] <BzBB_linux> so I decided it was time to go back to linux
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[02:27] <ogra> Kamion: sarge isnt 3.1 ?
[02:27] <Kamion> BzBB_linux: you know you've been hacking too long when ...
[02:27] <Kamion> ogra: it is
[02:27] <Kamion> ogra: sarge is not unstable though :)
[02:27] <ogra> ah... sorry had a gin already
[02:27] <BzBB_linux> Kamion, i used to dream bash
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[02:27] <ogra> got it
[02:27] <ogra> :))
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[02:27] <BzBB_linux> then I got back to windows after a prolonged fight with the pcmcia cdrom on my laptop
[02:28] <ogra> nevyn: is it you  ?
[02:28] <ogra> nevyn: qcad that is ....
[02:28] <BzBB_linux> whats the best way to download the install cd from the live CD?
[02:29] <zerok> hm.... are there also synaptics drivers available as deb for xorg?
[02:30] <Kamion> xorg-driver-synaptics
[02:30] <zerok> stupid question *g*
[02:30] <zerok> tnx :-)
[02:31] <zerok> time for giving hoary a try :-) cu hopefully later :-)
[02:31] <nevyn> ogra: no.
[02:31] <nevyn> that's the good thing.
[02:31] <ogra> nevyn: heh, i would have poked you to make a gcad from it ;)
[02:32] <nevyn> I had the source but decided that dealing with upstream was going to be too hard.
[02:32] <nevyn> ogra: meh I like qt
[02:32] <ogra> nevyn: oh, a kubuntu guy
[02:32] <Crane|laptop> what's up peeps
[02:33] <nevyn> ogra: the way it's licenced is whack.
[02:33] <nevyn> this is gpl on linux but not on win32. like you can choose.
[02:33] <stuNNed> what is the name of the xorg devel package?
[02:33] <Poprocks> well that's not fair
[02:33] <crimsun> stuNNed: which x.org devel package?
[02:34] <ogra> nevyn: qcad ?=
[02:34] <Poprocks> Qt for X11 is GPL and if you want it to run on Windows you could port it
[02:34] <nevyn> ogra: yeah
[02:34] <Poprocks> the company has to make money somehow
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[02:34] <nevyn> Poprocks: it'd be a good way to annoy the trolls.
[02:34] <Poprocks> and they do so by providing a wonderful, affordable package
[02:34] <JayeAeotiv> Dear god that was awful
[02:34] <nevyn> qcad or qt?
[02:34] <Poprocks> Qt
[02:35] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, no luck?
[02:35] <JayeAeotiv> Poprocks, I had some gui... many lines going through it... no keyboard working... and it was all really really tiny.  Was like a stoner's mind.
[02:35] <nevyn> I'm pissed that their scripting engin is only in the proprietary version tho.
[02:35] <nevyn> particularly as it's based off python
[02:36] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, how are you starting X?
[02:36] <JayeAeotiv> It starts on boot
[02:36] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, so did you change vesa to radeon and reboot?
[02:36] <Poprocks> or what did you do
[02:36] <JayeAeotiv> I hit ctrl alt backspace
[02:36] <JayeAeotiv> then I rebooted
[02:36] <Poprocks> I'm trying to get into your mindset here
[02:36] <JayeAeotiv> when I rebooted just had a black screen
[02:36] <Poprocks> so ctrl alt backspace was a disaster?
[02:36] <JayeAeotiv> yes
[02:37] <Poprocks> it's just weird.. I have a Radeon card, a newer one using the same chipset line and mine works fine
[02:37] <JayeAeotiv> beats me
[02:37] <nevyn> same chipset?
[02:38] <JayeAeotiv> RV200
[02:38] <Poprocks> not same chipset
[02:38] <Poprocks> but...
[02:38] <JayeAeotiv> Mine says RV200QW
[02:38] <nevyn> still r200ish?
[02:38] <JayeAeotiv> Everything I've read says radeon is the driver for my card
[02:38] <Poprocks> mine's RV280
[02:38] <JayeAeotiv> but I never saw it in the list.
[02:38] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, yeah it's supposed to be
[02:39] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, tail /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[02:39] <nevyn> Poprocks: you using the binary driver? (eww ptooehy)
[02:39] <Poprocks> nevyn, no.
[02:39] <JayeAeotiv> Poprocks, put that in terminal?
[02:39] <nevyn> what's the other card?
[02:39] <nevyn> daniels: ping
[02:40] <JayeAeotiv> Warning: font renderer for ".pcf.Z" already registered at priority 0
[02:40] <JayeAeotiv> a lot of warning just like that.
[02:40] <JayeAeotiv> tail /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[02:40] <JayeAeotiv> Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!
[02:40] <JayeAeotiv> that at the end
[02:40] <nevyn> that's ok.
[02:41] <nevyn> font servers on a local machine bad.
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[02:42] <Poprocks> yeah that doesn't sound overly fatal to me
[02:42] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, so how'd you get back into X?
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[02:42] <stuNNed> crimsun, um there is no xorg-devel ?
[02:42] <JayeAeotiv> I changed back to vesa
[02:42] <stuNNed> or the like?
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[02:43] <Kamion> stuNNed: there's xlibs-dev, but daniels turns blue and screams every time I mention it
[02:43] <Poprocks> JayeAeotiv, lsmod | grep agpgart
[02:43] <daniels> nevyn: sup
[02:43] <Kamion> stuNNed: look for libx*-dev depending on the library you're using
[02:43] <JayeAeotiv> agpgart                31784  1 via_agp
[02:43] <JayeAeotiv> brb restroom
[02:43] <Kamion> JayeAeotiv: thanks for sharing ;)
[02:43] <stuNNed> Kamion, so if i need to compile something that needs x devel libs that would be what i need?
[02:44] <Kamion> stuNNed: ideally, find out which libraries it needs and install those
[02:44] <ogra> lol
[02:44] <nevyn> daniels: remind me about free driver support for radeons.  what's the best supported?
[02:44] <Kamion> stuNNed: libx11-dev, libxt-dev are usually good starts, may need others
[02:44] <stuNNed> ogra, LOL
[02:44] <daniels> nevyn: 8500
[02:44] <stuNNed> Kamion, roger that, over and out
[02:44] <nevyn> daniels: which is an rv250?
[02:44] <daniels> nevyn: 9000, which i have -- works fine
[02:44] <Kamion> stuNNed: actually ... try x-window-system-dev
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[02:45] <Tacitus> crimsum:  This is braindead.  I keep on overflowing the buffers of my remote shell.  Need to start pasting again.
[02:45] <Kamion> (big and fat)
[02:45] <Poprocks> any radeon up to and including 9250 should work according to DRI
[02:45] <stuNNed> Kamion, whoa, did that pull in some stuffs :D  this is for xorg righties?
[02:45] <Kamion> stuNNed: in hoary, yeah
[02:46] <Kamion> stuNNed: that's got programmer's documentation and everything
[02:46] <stuNNed> ok lol
[02:46] <JayeAeotiv> Poprocks, back
[02:46] <Kamion> plus debug and static libraries
[02:46] <Kamion> it's really for developers of X-using software, rather than people just trying to build things
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[02:47] <JayeAeotiv> I'm thinking about tyring to develop some software for x.  But I need to learn my way around it first.  That could take a while too.
[02:47] <JDahl> I am thinking of getting an amd64 machine for numbercrunching at work... we almost exclusively buy Dell (who doesnt sell amd64). Any recommendations for other mainstream companies selling amd64 desktops that works well with Linux?
[02:48] <Kamion> HP do some, which I believe are pretty good
[02:48] <zenrox> aleinware
[02:48] <JayeAeotiv> I always just peice things together.  Cheaper
[02:48] <stuNNed> Kamion, but it will work and give me all xorg dev libs for building something from source, correctomundo?
[02:48] <Kamion> stuNNed: should do, yeah
[02:49] <stuNNed> Kamion, thanks man :)
[02:49] <nevyn> JDahl: other than dell and paqpaq (HP) who else is there.
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[02:49] <nevyn> IBM might do them.
[02:49] <JayeAeotiv> poprocks, any other ideas?
[02:50] <nevyn> not that ibm do desktops anymore.
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[02:50] <Mojo> Hi,I why doesn't the cd player not show the track titles?
[02:51] <JDahl> nevyn, that's why I asked... a quick search through those companies only gave me some overprices servers with SCSI, and I cant be arsed to assemble a machine from pieces at work
[02:51] <JDahl> a pity...
[02:51] <nevyn> JDahl: any way you can just buy it from a local reuptable pc company?
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[02:51] <nevyn> or won't work deal with that?
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[02:52] <nevyn> Mojo: that's a double negative they'e unusual in english.
[02:52] <MagicFab> Hello everyone
[02:52] <nevyn> Mojo: Why does the cd player show the track titles? is what you asked....
[02:52] <JDahl> nevyn, only if I make a crusade.. we have special discount agreements with major companies
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[02:53] <nevyn> JDahl: sigh.
[02:53] <ogra> nevyn: why, isnt - - in english + too ?
[02:53] <Mojo> nevyn, yeah :) I have a hard time explinging things...sorry:/
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[02:53] <MagicFab> Wondering if anyone' s heard of Network Manager ( http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager )
[02:53] <nevyn> ogra: it is but it's a construct almost exclusivly used by not native speakers.
[02:53] <MagicFab> According to the download page, packages should be available for Debian... usually this means they' re in Universe for Ubuntu
[02:53] <ogra> nevyn: lol, i am non native...
[02:53] <nevyn> Mojo: is my re-phrasing of the question correct?
[02:54] <Mojo> yup :)
[02:54] <nevyn> because it looks up the cd on the internet and downloads the tracklist. and then displays it.
[02:55] <Ohmer> where is the libglade module for python, in wich package, in Ubuntu?
[02:55] <MagicFab> Has anyone tried NM ?
[02:55] <Mojo> but it doesn't always work. so far it only worked with 2 cds
[02:55] <nevyn> ogra: it's one of my big problems with the old debian installer..
[02:55] <Mojo> and there all originals
[02:55] <nevyn> would you like to skip the badblock scan on /dev/hda?
[02:55] <nevyn> what does no do?
[02:55] <ogra> hehe
[02:56] <JayeAeotiv> what was the name of that mp3 package.
[02:56] <JayeAeotiv> I got it.. now I'm lookn for it
[02:56] <crimsun> gstreamer0.8-mad?
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[02:56] <nevyn> Mojo: sometimes the cd isn't in the database on the internet.
[02:56] <JayeAeotiv> yeah that's it.  Thanks crimsun
[02:57] <Mojo> nevyn, thats odd it used to work in FC and Slackware :/
[02:57] <ogra> MagicFab: NM ?
[02:57] <Mojo> where do I go to check to see if its in the databasE?
[02:57] <crimsun> Ohmer: for what version of python?
[02:57] <nevyn> Mojo: possibly they used different cddb servers
[02:57] <Ohmer> 2.3
[02:57] <crimsun> python2.3-glade2
[02:57] <Mojo> nevyn, oh...is there a way to change it?
[02:58] <MagicFab> ogra: NetworkManager
[02:58] <ogra> MagicFab: ahh...
[02:58] <Ohmer> crimsun: this package is installed, but it doesn't work when I "import libglade"
[02:58] <ogra> MagicFab: even if i got a hoary box hanging around here, i didnt try it yet, but saw it...its really cool
[02:58] <nevyn> ibm only do intel as well.
[02:59] <JayeAeotiv> How do I use gstreamer?
[02:59] <JayeAeotiv> I can't find like it's... what are executables called in linux?
[02:59] <crimsun> Ohmer: you're not importing the correct semantics
[02:59] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: its a backend
[02:59] <crimsun> Ohmer: you import gtk and gtk.glade
[03:00] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: rhythmbox or totem use it
[03:00] <crimsun> Ohmer: or pygtk, gtk, and gtk.glade
[03:00] <crimsun> Ohmer: see the examples in /usr/share/doc/python2.3-glade2/examples/glade/
[03:00] <JayeAeotiv> cool ty
[03:00] <Mojo> nevyn, the cd i'm playing is in the database so it should work right?
[03:00] <nevyn> JDahl: amd64 is the new alpha
[03:00] <nevyn> it should.
[03:01] <ogra> nevyn: bah
[03:01] <ogra> nevyn: alpha is alpha
[03:01] <nevyn> JDahl: you're going to end up win the workstation market with real vendors wanting to charge you $10K + for a system
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[03:01] <Ohmer> crimsun: thx.. I just read a bad tutorial :)
[03:01] <ogra> arch
[03:02] <nevyn> ogra: all those alpha chip engineers ended up at AMD
[03:02] <BzBB> nevyn, I hope you don't mean its doomed to small market share, and a sad, early death despite technological superiority
[03:02] <ogra> i know....
[03:02] <ogra> nevyn: but there is nothing like digital
[03:02] <nevyn> amd still have higher failurerate than intel
[03:02] <nevyn> which is unfortunate
[03:02] <BzBB> I use an old digital monitor as a nightstand
[03:03] <nevyn> ogra: I miss digital.
[03:03] <nevyn> ogra: HP just isn't the same.
[03:03] <ogra> nevyn: me too
[03:03] <JayeAeotiv> Is there a way to make wine not make the windows text so tiny?
[03:03] <ogra> nevyn: i still look for a used up2000
[03:03] <nevyn> I have a couple of prioris's
[03:04] <nevyn> they're awesom.
[03:04] <ogra> :)
[03:04] <nevyn> just so.. sturdy.
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[03:04] <nevyn> we had digital pentium 75's that in testing outran 133's and 150's from compaq and dell.
[03:05] <nevyn> cause the io system was better the motherboard was better.
[03:05] <nevyn> etc.
[03:05] <ogra> nevyn: ever tried a p-pro ?
[03:05] <nicedreams> i believe it.  My P3 1ghz with RDRam runs faster than my P4 1.6
[03:05] <nevyn> I've seen a few of them.
[03:06] <ogra> nicedreams: bah ghz.... we talk about mhz
[03:06] <nevyn> nicedreams: put the rdram with the P4 it was built for it.
[03:06] <nicedreams> i know, but the p3 board only takes rd....  it's kind of funny since P4's only ran on RDram when they first came out
[03:06] <nevyn> the p3 is a faster chip per clock.
[03:06] <nevyn> rdram on a p3 is a loosing propasition.
[03:07] <JayeAeotiv> man there's basically two resolutions.
[03:07] <JayeAeotiv> Huge
[03:07] <JayeAeotiv> and Tiny
[03:07] <nevyn> it was a mistake.
[03:07] <nicedreams> didn't via pick up rdram after intel ditched it?
[03:07] <nevyn> rdram is what's used in most console systems.
[03:07] <nevyn> gamecube etc.
[03:07] <nicedreams> RDRam runs on the same bus as the processor
[03:07] <nevyn> nicedreams: sigh.
[03:07] <nicedreams> so more efficiant and so it's faster
[03:08] <nicedreams>  :)
[03:08] <nevyn> sigh.
[03:08] <nicedreams> lol
[03:08] <nicedreams> why a sigh?
[03:08] <nevyn> cause that's sortof true.
[03:08] <nicedreams> :)
[03:08] <nevyn> it's not physically wired to the cpu.
[03:08] <nicedreams> naw
[03:08] <nicedreams> but it doesn't have to translate to it's faster
[03:09] <JayeAeotiv> How can I make a shortcut to something for wine to run?
[03:09] <nicedreams> just like cable will never be faster than a T1 which many people think
[03:09] <nevyn> it still goes through the northbridge and it is on the frontside bus which is true of all ram.
[03:09] <nicedreams> T1 is more efficiant
[03:09] <nicedreams> oh well...i don't use the P3 anymore since last month anyways
[03:09] <nicedreams> so no more rd for me
[03:09] <nevyn> it's higher latency for greater throughput.
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[03:10] <nevyn> so getting the first 64bits takes 10 cycles.
[03:10] <nicedreams> anyone try mepis linux?
[03:10] <nevyn> but then you get 64bits every cycle.
[03:11] <nevyn> as opposed to DDR where it might take 2 cycles for every transfer.
[03:11] <MrPrimate> hey, I am having a terrible time with Ubuntu on this laptop (hp pavilion ze4300), mainly because there is some problem where the mouse automatically clicks one or both buttons while you are typing... over and over
[03:11] <nicedreams> DDR is getting better, but they had RDram at 8Ghz before intel dropped it
[03:11] <nevyn> but when the pipeline is 32 stages you can fill it in 10+32 cycles as opposed to 32*2 cycles which is a win
[03:11] <MrPrimate> i can hardly get in more than a sentence without being interrupted
[03:11] <nicedreams> I want the new GHz DDR
[03:12] <nevyn> MrPrimate: it's irc conversations are like this.
[03:12] <nicedreams> MrPrimate: try a usb mouse for a sec
[03:12] <MrPrimate> nicedreams, if I have one then I will try that
[03:12] <nicedreams> MrPrimate: see if same problem
[03:12] <nicedreams> oh
[03:12] <Kamion> nevyn: don't think that's what he meant ...
[03:12] <MrPrimate> nicedreams, I put Ubuntu on this machine for my mom, who is a writer, so she doesn't have the headaches of windows.. but she can't write anything now !
[03:12] <nevyn> oh by his local problem?
[03:12] <Kamion> (hm, or she from the ircname, either way)
[03:12] <nicedreams> MrPrimate: is it a brand new install?
[03:13] <MrPrimate> nicedreams, yes
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[03:13] <nicedreams> MrPrimate: probably less time consuming to just reinstall it then
[03:13] <nicedreams> MrPrimate: Make sure to make a /home partition so you never loose anything
[03:13] <nicedreams> if you have to reformat or change distros
[03:13] <MrPrimate> nicedreams, how would i know that reinstalling will do anything to fix it ?
[03:14] <nevyn> modern cpu performance is mostly about getting the data there.
[03:14] <MrPrimate> i think it might have to do with the touchpad driver or something
[03:14] <nicedreams> MrPrimate:  you never know unless you try.  Sometimes you have to do that.  You can search for it for a few hours or just take 20mins ot reinstall and see what happens
[03:14] <ogra> hmm, probably its a synaptics touchpad issue
[03:14] <MrPrimate> ogra, that's what i am thinking right now
[03:14] <nevyn> MrPrimate: you're not brushing the pad with your hand or something silly right.
[03:15] <MrPrimate> nicedreams, only i have already gone to the trouble of importing her e-mail, bookmarks, files, etc
[03:15] <nicedreams> oh
[03:15] <ogra> sadly i dont know really much about synaptics
[03:15] <nicedreams> that's why make sure next time you make a /home partition
[03:15] <MrPrimate> nevyn, no, .. that happns sometimes too bt it is definately a separate issue
[03:15] <nicedreams> then you never ever ever loose anything
[03:16] <nicedreams> I've changed from 5 distros and reinstalls and always keep the same settings for everything
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[03:17] <ogra> MrPrimate: have you looked here, there are probably some hints: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[03:17] <stuNNed> hi ogra
[03:18] <nicedreams> MrPrimate: post the mouse config from X
[03:18] <ogra> stuNNed: hi
[03:18] <nicedreams> MrPrimate: maybe it needs another mouse driver instead of the one detected
[03:18] <nicedreams> MrPrimate: regular debian messes up my mouse all the time
[03:19] <MrPrimate> nicedreams, i'm going to try to mess around for a bit.. just thought this might be a common problem
[03:19] <nicedreams> wish we could help
[03:19] <nicedreams> try linuxforums.org and neowin.net
[03:19] <nicedreams> err
[03:19] <nicedreams> linuxquestions.org
[03:19] <MrPrimate> np thanks.. why are ubuntu people so friendly?
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[03:20] <crimsun> why wouldn't we be in a channel and a distro based on "Ubuntu?"
[03:20] <nicedreams> because it's a from africa and they have good spirits
[03:20] <crimsun> :)
[03:20] <ogra> MrPrimate: because its ubuntu ?
[03:20] <nicedreams> lol...  i dunno
[03:20] <nicedreams>  :)
[03:20] <stuNNed> are sound issues in warty fixed with recent updates?  reason asking i got my 50 cd's and was curious as to anticipate sound problems with 50 users! lol
[03:20] <MrPrimate> right.. hah
[03:20] <crimsun> stuNNed: what issues?
[03:21] <stuNNed> crimsun, like if two soundcards doesn't select the right one or something, i just remember having sound issues upon initial install of warty
[03:21] <ultrakorne> cannot run a command without password using sudo.. sudeoer appers correct
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[03:22] <ultrakorne> i wrote in ml, but noone could help me
[03:23] <ultrakorne> "ALL localhost=(root)NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/savepower" is the line i added, but if i run 'sudo savepower' the system ask me for the password
[03:23] <stuNNed> crimsun, i gave my neighbor a bunch, he knows all the kids in town, and going to hand em out at school :D
[03:23] <stuNNed> crimsun, but i think gave my neighbor too much going to take some back for school
[03:24] <nevyn> JDahl: hp do amd64 desktops
[03:24] <MrPrimate> is it possible to get kde apps in ubuntu?  (i can't seem to find the regular kde packages)
[03:24] <Kamion> ultrakorne: don't you need a space after (root)?
[03:25] <Tacitus> crimsun: Pasted the /var/log/XFree86.0.log on pastebin.com
[03:25] <Kamion> ultrakorne: I'd take out the localhost=(root) bit anyway, it's unnecessary and confusing
[03:26] <crimsun> MrPrimate: enable the 'universe' repo
[03:27] <MrPrimate> deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe  ?
[03:27] <crimsun> MrPrimate: no, those are backports.
[03:27] <ogra> MrPrimate: its already in your sources
[03:28] <MrPrimate> nice, thanks
[03:28] <ultrakorne> Kamion, i added to test, i tryed 5-6 different sintaxes
[03:29] <ultrakorne> also with aliases... all seems useless... can't undertand what's wrong, the sintax is correct
[03:29] <speel> syntax :P
[03:29] <ultrakorne> s/sintax/syntax :P ok :D?
[03:29] <Kamion> you did use visudo I trust
[03:29] <ultrakorne> yes
[03:30] <Kamion> hm, that syntax is definitely wrong come to think of it
[03:30] <Kamion> try 'ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/savepower'
[03:31] <JDahl> nevyn, you're right, I missed that... They have a 3200+ with 2GB ram for less than $1500 without monitor (and I dont have to pay the mandatory $50 for XPHome, I always feel screwed when I do that)
[03:31] <stuNNed> Kamion, ok, what is easiest way to uninstall all of those xorg dev packages? lol
[03:31] <ultrakorne> ok let's try, but i cant belive my syntax is wrong :P
[03:31] <Kamion> and presumably you've put a username before that
[03:31] <Kamion> it needs to be something like 'ultrakorne ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/savepower'
[03:31] <ultrakorne> ALL ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/savepower u mean?
[03:31] <nevyn> JDahl: if you've got to do it through work it's probably the go.
[03:31] <ogra> stuNNed: reinstall ;)
[03:32] <ultrakorne> i tryed that too..
[03:32] <Kamion> ultrakorne: have you read the EXAMPLES section of the sudoers man page? it doesn't sound like it
[03:32] <Kamion> no, not ALL
[03:32] <nevyn> JDahl: I'd feel better building it myself with a nice tyan board for that sort of money tho.
[03:32] <Kamion> a username
[03:32] <Kamion> (or a group)
[03:32] <macewan> try unreinstalling
[03:32] <ogra> stuNNed: or learn pinning
[03:32] <ogra> lol
[03:32] <stuNNed> ogra, lol
[03:32] <nevyn> JDahl: I'd be happier if it wer a vectra.
[03:32] <ultrakorne> Kamion, i tryed both with a user, or with a group (with % prefix)
[03:32] <stuNNed> ogra, lol i'm an x dev now! lol
[03:32] <ultrakorne> ALL is valid too
[03:32] <Kamion> true, now you mention it
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[03:33] <Kamion> well, check log files, I believe sudo logs to /var/log/auth.log
[03:33] <stuNNed> ogra, if you know and x dev's let em know they can use my puter to work on lol
[03:33] <ultrakorne> ultra ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/savepower , not working...
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[03:33] <stuNNed> ogra, does apt keep a logfile what was installed of late?
[03:34] <ogra> stuNNed: i'm only hacking the screensaver currently. but if i got further i'll contact you *g*
[03:34] <ogra> stuNNed: nope, not in my knowledge
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[03:36] <macewan> anyone messed with chicken & monkeypop?
[03:36] <ogra> macewan: ?
[03:36] <macewan> chicken & monkeypop
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[03:36] <macewan> the chicken framework
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[03:37] <ogra> macewan: what is the chicken framework ? never heard of it ?
[03:37] <dcstimm> hey guys, does your livecd have chroot installed? and bash?
[03:37] <ogra> dcstimm: sure
[03:37] <macewan> ogra: http://mspace.berlios.de/gunther-user/view.php/page/Chicken-Framework
[03:37] <odyssey> Hi i am wondering why libvorbis0a has an a on the end of its name? This is a problem for me as i am unable to install a .deb which has the dependency of libvorbis0. Please can someone help?
[03:37] <dcstimm> ogra, does it have everything I need to format a partition ext2?
[03:38] <dcstimm> and ext3?
[03:38] <ogra> dcstimm: yep
[03:38] <Kamion> odyssey: the ABI got changed and therefore the soname had to change. Get whoever provided the .deb to rebuild it against a vaguely current system.
[03:38] <dcstimm> ogra, yay I can use it to install gentoo
[03:38] <dcstimm> !
[03:38] <ogra> lol
[03:38] <ogra> LOL
[03:38] <Kamion> odyssey: (or rebuild it yourself, assuming you have source)
[03:38] <dcstimm> =-)
[03:38] <dcstimm> brb rebooting into ubuntu
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[03:39] <ogra> dcstimm: form last week:
[03:39] <ogra> 04:21:47]  <findme> this is a big crowd here
[03:39] <ogra> [04:21:53]  <findme> have all gentoo users moved here ?
[03:39] <odyssey> Kamion, coming from a rpm distro is it possible to remove libvorbis0a with a nodeps flag?
[03:39] <Kamion> odyssey: nodeps is EVIL AND BAD AND WRONG
[03:39] <dcstimm> ogra, to bad its still using apt I would switch in a heart beat if it had its own package manager
[03:39] <Kamion> odyssey: (no, it will break things)
[03:40] <scoon> yah
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[03:40] <ogra> dcstimm: what are you missing in apt ?
[03:40] <scoon> i just put hoary in with no problems.
[03:40] <scoon> seems to work out nice for the last 20mins
[03:40] <ultrakorne> Kamion, auth.log says Dec 30 03:39:48 localhost sudo: (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname=ultra uid=0 euid=0 tty=pts/2 ruser= rhost=  user=ultra
[03:40] <scoon> ;)
[03:40] <Kamion> rpm's casual tolerance of nodeps is one of its worst features. you can do it with dpkg, but apt will complain.
[03:40] <Kamion> and in this case it probably won't work either
[03:40] <Kamion> s/either/anyway/
[03:40] <odyssey> but if i then install libvorbis0 it wouldnt break things, would it?
[03:41] <Kamion> the libvorbis0a transition is one that you just have to swallow. really, get the maintainer of the package in question to rebuild it, it's the easiest way
[03:41] <odyssey> Kamion, ok thank you
[03:42] <Kamion> if it were possible to install libvorbis0 then you would be able to do so without needing to force dependency breakage along the way
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[03:44] <odyssey> it is possible its just that i have libvorbis0a installed at the moment
[03:44] <Tacitus> crimsun: Did you get a chance to look at my /var/log output?
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[03:49] <liquidboy> i'm confused. what is the ususal directory to extract applications into? (eg, i downloaded nvu and have just extracted it to my home dir...)
[03:49] <liquidboy> i cant find any obvious folders to put all the applications into
[03:50] <Kamion> odyssey: libvorbis0 died ages ago; no Debian-descended distribution since Debian 3.0 has it
[03:51] <Kamion> odyssey: where's this package, anyway?
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[03:52] <ogra> hmmm, ogra@monkey:~ $ dpkg -l |grep libvorbis
[03:52] <ogra> ii  libvorbis0a    1.0.1-1        The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec
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[03:53] <stuNNed> ogra, are you in front of your testing box?
[03:53] <ogra> stuNNed: nope, but i can go in the other room...
[03:54] <stuNNed> ogra, can you just check real quick on your unstable box if you can install gnomad2 binary?  i'm using 2.6.1 and there is no .deb for it yet but curious if latest in unstable will work on your unstable box
[03:54] <stuNNed> ogra, you can --purge after?
[03:54] <ogra> stuNNed: wait a sec
[03:54] <stuNNed> ogra, roger that
[03:54] <odyssey> Kamion i want to install libavcodec which requires it
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[03:56] <nicedreams> what's the command to relink packages?
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[03:56] <liquidboy> maybe i didnt ask the qn right... can someone point me in the direction of a tutorial on the linux direcotry structure, i'm stumped
[03:56] <ogra> stuNNed: worked fine...
[03:56] <Kamion> odyssey: the version of libavcodec2 in Ubuntu multiverse depends on libvorbis0a
[03:56] <Mestapheles> hi, does ubuntu-ppc support nvidia GeForce4 MX out of the box?
[03:57] <Kamion> I'm pretty sure there are other builds out there for Debian sarge which depend on libvorbis0a too
[03:57] <nicedreams> oh damn, prelink isn't installed by default?  wow
[03:57] <stuNNed> ogra, ok, i can't get it to start, there is no error message, it just hangs, thanks though
[03:58] <Mestapheles> anyone using nvidia?
[03:58] <stuNNed> ogra, thanks man, guess can debug libnjb, appreciate it
[03:58] <ogra> :)
[03:58] <nicedreams> nvidia rocks
[03:59] <nicedreams> yes
[03:59] <odyssey> Kamion, is that in the hoary repo?
[03:59] <Kamion> odyssey: either warty or hoary
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[04:00] <odyssey> Kamion, arrr i see it thank you
[04:01] <thegreatone2176> why is the pkg-config latest version so old in the package manager
[04:01] <thegreatone2176> and it says its the newest
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[04:01] <dcstimm> hey guys, It would have been nice if mp3 or mpg support was on the FREAKING LIVECD! ugg
[04:01] <dcstimm> oh well
[04:02] <dcstimm> gentoo installs nicely off of it
[04:02] <dcstimm> and the fonts look horrible in firefox, what is it compiled with bindset or something?
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[04:02] <dcstimm> nasty
[04:02] <ogra> dcstimm: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:03] <thegreatone2176> anyone have an answer to my ?
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[04:03] <Kamion> pkg-config |   0.15.0-4 |    warty/main | amd64, i386, powerpc
[04:03] <Kamion> pkg-config | 0.15.0-4ubuntu2 |    hoary/main | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc
[04:03] <dcstimm> okay then why is the nvidia binary drivers on the cd ogra?
[04:04] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: according to http://www.freedesktop.org/software/pkgconfig/releases/, that's the latest release
[04:04] <thegreatone2176> well i went to the package manager and it says that 0.3.0 is the newest
[04:04] <ogra> dcstimm: because they are redistributable without patent fees
[04:04] <Kamion> what package manager?
[04:04] <Kamion> and what exactly did it say?
[04:05] <ogra> dcstimm: distributing mp3 costs a lot
[04:06] <thegreatone2176> ill copy what it says after .0.15 is done installing
[04:06] <nicedreams> cd /mnt/win_c
[04:06] <nicedreams> ls
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[04:07] <nicedreams> oops/sry
[04:07] <dcstimm> ogra, ill pay for it
[04:07] <dcstimm> ogra, just have the user pay for the distrobution fees
[04:07] <ogra> dcstimm: you can have it for free ....
[04:07] <Kamion> dcstimm: we're totally committed to distributing Ubuntu for free. Not everyone can pay for it.
[04:07] <ogra> dcstimm: if you install it yourself ;)
[04:07] <dcstimm> Kamion, they can still have a free version
[04:07] <Kamion> sorry, but anything that requires royalties is out of the question.
[04:07] <dcstimm> ogra, livecd im talking about
[04:08] <ogra> dcstimm: i know
[04:08] <Kamion> that means double the testing work for us
[04:08] <dcstimm> Kamion, just one package difference isnt going to hurt much
[04:08] <Kamion> there are considerable benefits in having fewer CDs; combinatorial explosion is bad
[04:09] <ogra> dcstimm: mp3 decoding is free for personal usage, but not for distribution
[04:09] <Kamion> a complete extra CD variant per architecture and per install/live selection hurts a lot
[04:09] <dcstimm> ogra, well then do it illegally, no one will come knocking on our doors
[04:09] <Kamion> dcstimm: you may have missed the fact that Canonical has a fair amount of money and is worth suing
[04:10] <ogra> dcstimm: if gentoo likes to get illegal, do it
[04:10] <thegreatone2176> kamion http://www.pastebin.com/134681
[04:10] <thegreatone2176> something else then
[04:10] <dcstimm> ogra, what about gentoo?
[04:10] <thegreatone2176> cuz 0.15.0 is installed
[04:10] <ogra> dcstimm: ubuntu just wont
[04:10] <ogra> dcstimm: you talked about gentoo...
[04:10] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: libgnome2.0-dev?
[04:10] <dcstimm> ogra, there has to be a simple button for the user to click then to get mp3, mpg, flash, and other support on the livecd then
[04:11] <thegreatone2176> alright
[04:11] <dcstimm> ogra, when?
[04:11] <thegreatone2176> i looked and saw that
[04:11] <thegreatone2176> didnt know if that was it or not
[04:11] <Kamion> sorry, libgnome2-dev
[04:11] <thegreatone2176> alright cool
[04:11] <ogra> dcstimm: all the time before... i.e. the live cd is good for installing gentoo
[04:11] <dcstimm> ogra, and what is up with the font in firefox? is bindset compiled into freetype? its ugly
[04:12] <Kamion> the autohinting settings got changed in hoary, should improve that
[04:12] <liquidboy> can anyone reccomend a really easy / basic ftp app to me ?
[04:12] <dcstimm> ogra, well that is what im doing, but I wasnt speaking about gentoo AT all
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[04:12] <thegreatone2176> gftp
[04:12] <thegreatone2176> really easy
[04:12] <ogra> dcstimm: sounded like
[04:12] <thegreatone2176> and g stands for gui so yea
[04:13] <ogra> thegreatone2176: g stands for gtk
[04:13] <dcstimm> it would be nice if the livecd didnt enable bindset
[04:13] <pepsi> g stands for g
[04:13] <dcstimm> or ubuntu in general
[04:13] <Crane|laptop> It cound stand for groovy
[04:13] <Kamion> (which stands for GIMP Tool Kit, and GIMP stands for GNU Image Manipulation Program, and GNU stands for GNU's Not Unix, ad infinitum ...)
[04:13] <ogra> dcstimm: next version will keep that in mind
[04:14] <thegreatone2176> o sorry
[04:14] <dcstimm> ogra, cool
[04:14] <thegreatone2176> the g there just made sense
[04:14] <Crane|laptop> I didn't have much luck with the live CD
[04:14] <Crane|laptop> I plan on doing a full install when I return home
[04:14] <ogra> dcstimm: there are a lot improvements in the next version (install and live)
[04:15] <Crane|laptop> Just wondering,
[04:15] <pepsi> are the hoary install cds useably?
[04:15] <Kamion> <cjwatson@riva ~/freetype-2.1.7>$ grep -ri bindset .
[04:15] <pepsi> useable
[04:15] <Kamion> <cjwatson@riva ~/freetype-2.1.7>$
[04:15] <Crane|laptop> is there a release date on next version?
[04:15] <Kamion> is it called literally "bindset" or something else?
[04:15] <Kamion> Crane|laptop: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[04:16] <Kamion> pepsi: Array CD 2's OK, current daily doesn't work
[04:16] <dcstimm> Kamion, yes
[04:17] <Kamion> dcstimm: well, I don't see that string anywhere in the freetype source
[04:17] <Crane|laptop> Kamion: Thanks
[04:18] <odyssey> what is the name of the xfree86 developement package?
[04:18] <dcstimm> Kamion, sorry bindist
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[04:18] <miausX> hi :)
[04:18] <Kamion> dcstimm: no match either
[04:19] <ogra> odyssey: x-window-system-dev
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[04:19] <dcstimm> Kamion, here is a difference with = http://darylstimm.com/screenshot2.jpg without =
[04:19] <dcstimm> http://darylstimm.com/screenshot.jpg
[04:19] <odyssey> ogra thankyou
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[04:20] <Kamion> dcstimm: I don't know what to tell you; there is no such string in the freetype source package. If it's somewhere other than freetype ...
[04:20] <Crane|laptop> Wow I didn't realize that the final release was so far off.
[04:20] <Kamion> I'm not going to grep the entire source tree for you though :P
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[04:20] <ogra> dcstimm: at least they are both better than stairstepping
[04:20] <dcstimm> Kamion, let me check
[04:20] <Kamion> Crane|laptop: six months after the last release, not that long
[04:21] <JayeAeotiv> How do I use cvs?
[04:21] <ogra> Crane|laptop: far off ?
[04:21] <JayeAeotiv> in linux?
[04:21] <dcstimm> http://www.google.com/search?q=bindist+freetype&sourceid=firefox&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[04:21] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: sudo apt-get install cvs
[04:21] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: then just use it
[04:21] <dcstimm> Kamion, google seems to find it
[04:21] <JayeAeotiv> yay
[04:22] <Crane|laptop> Heh to me six months is a long time lol
[04:22] <Kamion> dcstimm: could easily be a separate patch we don't have
[04:22] <ogra> <dcstimm> ogra, and what is up with the font in firefox? is bindset compiled into freetype? its ugly
[04:22] <JayeAeotiv> ogra, you should get paid to chat in here.
[04:22] <ogra> hehe
[04:22] <Kamion> google seems to find a lot of CVS branches and the word "unofficial" next to "bindist"
[04:23] <Kamion> and a lot of fink and gentoo links
[04:23] <ogra> JayeAeotiv: regarding that its 04:22am here... probably *g*
[04:23] <Crane|laptop> I will probably stick with warty
[04:23] <Crane|laptop> for now
[04:23] <ogra> Crane|laptop: yep...
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[04:23] <|m|> hi
[04:23] <JayeAeotiv> wow
[04:23] <Crane|laptop> I my try the other on test machine though
[04:23] <ogra> Crane|laptop: btw, its only 4 months
[04:24] <Crane|laptop> Dang,
[04:24] <Crane|laptop> I forgot it's almost next year
[04:24] <ogra> heh
[04:24] <Crane|laptop> man time flies
[04:24] <dcstimm> freetype's bytecode interpreter is available through "bindist"
[04:25] <Crane|laptop> so how many developers are in here
[04:25] <Crane|laptop> ?
[04:25] <liquidboy> hmm, can someone help me out here, wehre is the default folder to put apps into in ubuntu?
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[04:25] <Crane|laptop> Do most of them hang out here?
[04:25] <Kamion> liquidboy: applications are packaged and don't live in a single directory
[04:25] <JayeAeotiv> damn I don't know how to use a command line cvs
[04:25] <JayeAeotiv> Windows has spoiled me... bastards
[04:25] <ogra> dcstimm: did you revognioze : bindset != "bindist"
[04:25] <dcstimm> JayeAeotiv, its easy and fun!
[04:26] <Kamion> Crane|laptop: some of us do, it's too busy for development conversations though
[04:26] <dcstimm> ogra, yes, I mentioned that above
[04:26] <Crane|laptop> Liquidboy: I tend to use the /opt folder
[04:26] <dcstimm> <dcstimm> Kamion, sorry bindist
[04:26] <ogra> dcstimm: ah, ok missed it.... sorry
[04:27] <dcstimm> ogra, my mind goes to mush in the winter
[04:27] <Crane|laptop> Kamion: cool yea I can see where it would be hard to carry on a development conversation in here
[04:27] <Crane|laptop> lo os peeps in here
[04:27] <ogra> dcstimm: i had already plenty of gin.....so were on one level *G*
[04:27] <dcstimm> ogra, any reason why the nvidia binary drivers option in the livecd would just restart my machine when loading X?
[04:27] <Kamion> Crane|laptop: #ubuntu used to be the development channel before we went public; we tried to keep development here for about two days, and then it just became totally unworkable
[04:28] <ogra> dcstimm:nope... come back in some hours and ask amu :)
[04:28] <Crane|laptop> I can see why
[04:28] <dcstimm> ogra, heh is he sleeping?
[04:28] <dcstimm> ogra, known issue?
[04:28] <ogra> dcstimm: 04:29am here, yeah
[04:28] <JayeAeotiv> dcstimm, yeah looks it.  googling as we speak
[04:28] <Crane|laptop> Kamion: The distro is very good and very popular.
[04:29] <dcstimm> JayeAeotiv, ah
[04:29] <dcstimm> ogra, where is that?
[04:29] <ogra> dcstimm: germany
[04:29] <Crane|laptop> And the peeps in ere are very friendly
[04:29] <dcstimm> ah
[04:29] <dcstimm> Crane|laptop, except for me
[04:29] <Crane|laptop> That makes a difference too
[04:29] <dcstimm> :)
[04:29] <Crane|laptop> lol
[04:30] <ogra> dcstimm: (only 1 hr ahead of Kamion btw)
[04:30] <Crane|laptop> Are you the mean one?
[04:30] <Crane|laptop> :)
[04:30] <dcstimm> ogra, cool, how is the weather there?
[04:30] <ogra> dcstimm: brrr
[04:30] <dcstimm> heh
[04:30] <ogra> dcstimm: icy
[04:30] <dcstimm> ogra, same here
[04:30] <ogra> heh
[04:30] <dcstimm> ogra, im in New York
[04:30] <dcstimm> ogra, close to canada
[04:31] <Crane|laptop> brrrrrrr
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[04:31] <ogra> dcstimm: xtra brrr
[04:31] <dcstimm> ogra, it stinks
[04:31] <dcstimm> ogra, im from Las Vegas, where its super nice all year round
[04:31] <ogra> dcstimm: i liver 450m above ground in the middle of nowhere and it stinks too
[04:31] <ogra> -r
[04:32] <dcstimm> ogra, my nationality is German, never been there though
[04:32] <dcstimm> ogra, my last name is Stimm, I guess its german..
[04:32] <ogra> heh.... no need to....execpt the beer if you like beer
[04:32] <dcstimm> beer == good
[04:32] <|m|> is there iso for hoary?
[04:32] <ogra> dcstimm: Stimm, .... hmm, not really....
[04:33] <dcstimm> ogra, no?
[04:33] <Kamion> |m|: yes, for the brave
[04:33] <Crane|laptop> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm beer
[04:33] <liquidboy> oh right
[04:33] <JayeAeotiv> how the hell do I connect to a cvs server?
[04:33] <Kamion> JayeAeotiv: typically you follow the instructions given by the server admin
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[04:33] <dcstimm> ogra, i have no idea of the orgin, my dad was in german 60 years ago, in world war II, I think he killed alot of germans (Sorry)
[04:33] <liquidboy> kamion: are all the different files for the application spread around the place?
[04:33] <ogra> dcstimm: probably as last name....
[04:33] <dcstimm> he was in the battle of germany
[04:33] <|m|> Kamion: for the brave/?
[04:33] <Kamion> liquidboy: yes, it's the package manager's responsibility to organise them, not the filesystem's
[04:34] <ogra> dcstimm: germany was pretty bad then ....
[04:34] <dcstimm> ogra, yeah
[04:34] <JayeAeotiv> Kamion, I've got a bit of info but not much.
[04:34] <stuNNed> ogra, do you have a usb.usermap in /etc/hotplug/usb?
[04:34] <Kamion> |m|: yes, they can be arbitrarily broken :)
[04:34] <JayeAeotiv> They use a few windows cvs things.
[04:34] <ogra> stuNNed: sec...
[04:34] <JayeAeotiv> non command line
[04:34] <Kamion> JayeAeotiv: connecting by pserver or ssh?
[04:35] <ogra> stuNNed: only in examples
[04:35] <stuNNed> ogra, ok thanks
[04:35] <|m|> oh ok
[04:35] <dcstimm> ogra, my dad was showing me some neat pictures of him there, he showed me a picture of him stealing some german car, and pictures of some hotel in germany, he also told me about a family that took him in for christmas in 1944 exactly 60 years ago this christmas
[04:35] <Kamion> JayeAeotiv: typically something like 'cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.example.org:/cvs/example login', 'cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.example.org:/cvs/example co <module>'
[04:35] <JayeAeotiv> Kamion, ssh
[04:36] <Kamion> ah, replace :pserver: with :ext:
[04:36] <ogra> dcstimm: :)
[04:36] <Kamion> but you'll need to get the full CVSROOT value from the server admin
[04:36] <JayeAeotiv> I checked out a module before on windows.
[04:36] <JayeAeotiv> and have the folders and everything still.
[04:36] <JayeAeotiv> Will I be abl to use the same files or have to check them out again?
[04:36] <Kamion> fill whatever's in CVS/Root in the working copy in after -d
[04:36] <Kamion> you should probably check them out again to make sure you have Unix-style line endings
[04:36] <dcstimm> ogra, well I need to get some cat food for my cat, and maybe some food, ill be back in a bit, thanks for the help
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[04:37] <ogra> dcstimm: i'll be sleeping then, bye
[04:37] <JayeAeotiv> ok
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[04:39] <JayeAeotiv> Kamion, it says I can only use the login command with pserver
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[04:40] <Kamion> JayeAeotiv: yeah, ditch login for :ext:
[04:40] <Kamion> you don't need it
[04:40] <Scorp> he where do  I get cool bgs for my laptop?
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[04:40] <ogra> Scorp: install ubuntu-calendar
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[04:41] <JayeAeotiv> well I took off login and I still cannot connect
[04:41] <Scorp> ogra what'll that give me?
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[04:41] <ogra> Scorp: or go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuArtwork
[04:41] <Kamion> JayeAeotiv: you may also need to 'export CVS_RSH=ssh'; I can't remember if that's the default
[04:41] <Kamion> best put that in your shell startup files
[04:41] <ogra> Scorp: a nice tatooed women... for example..... and every month a new one ;)
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[04:42] <Kamion> assuming you don't care about accessing CVS repositories over rsh
[04:42] <JayeAeotiv> I suppose I dont' need to
[04:42] <JayeAeotiv> I'm quitting after I'm finished iwth this job.
[04:42] <JayeAeotiv> I hate working with 'teams' online.
[04:42] <Kamion> otherwise :extssh: or :ext=ssh: works too
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[04:43] <Kamion> working with teams online? welcome to Ubuntu development! ;)
[04:43] <ogra> lol
[04:43] <spug> MPlayer interrupted by signal 2 in module: ao2_init
[04:44] <spug> I get that every time I try to play a video
[04:44] <spug> It used to work fine
[04:44] <spug> Now all of a sudden it doesn't :/
[04:44] <ogra> spug: use another -ao option ?
[04:44] <JayeAeotiv> It's evil
[04:44] <sulkd> pff.. nautilus-cd-burner is so not my friend... I have 1.5 gig free, want to free some more by writing some DVDs.. but lo and behold, it requires me to make images.. so I have to have as much free space on /tmp as I want to burn..
[04:44] <Bzbb> you people rock, that is all
[04:44] <JayeAeotiv> Especially when the team is run by a wannabe circus directory
[04:45] <ogra> sulkd:it obviously doesnt recognize your writer
[04:45] <Kamion> sulkd: write a piece at a time, multi-session?
[04:45] <sulkd> ogra: huh?
[04:45] <Kamion> (assuming n-c-b can do that)
[04:45] <ogra> sulkd:it if it only offers iages....
[04:45] <ogra> m
[04:46] <sulkd> Kamion, nah, it has about 2 features.. write and quit
[04:46] <sulkd> ogra, err.. no that's not what I mean.. it first creates an image, then burns it... which means I have to have free space to store what I burn as an ISO first
[04:46] <Kamion> IIRC mdz uses the wonderfully intuitively-named growisofs for DVD burning
[04:46] <ogra> sulkd: ahh, ok....
[04:47] <ogra> sulkd: growisofs is your friend then
[04:47] <Lathiat> Kamion: yeh good name isnt it :)
[04:47] <Lathiat> Kamion: man page explains it tho
[04:47] <sulkd> ogra, nah.. nautilus-cd-burner already uses growisofs
[04:48] <ogra> sulkd: thats news to me, i thought it only uses cdrecord
[04:48] <JayeAeotiv> I wonder whre it put the files that I just checked out.
[04:48] <JayeAeotiv> hmm
[04:48] <Kamion> sulkd: that doesn't necessarily mean it uses all its capabilities
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[04:48] <Kamion> sulkd: growisofs can append more data to an existing DVD, so you could do a piece at a time
[04:48] <sulkd> ogra, yeah.. cdrecord for writing the disc.. not for creating the image
[04:48] <Kamion>        When  using growisofs you may not use the o option for an output file.
[04:48] <Kamion>        growisofs dumps the image directly to the media;
[04:49] <sulkd> the wonderful world of small focused applications.. no on-the-fly capability
[04:49] <Kamion> to an existing DVD> DVD+RW, that is
[04:49] <sulkd> well I guess I could use a pipe instead of a file
[04:50] <sulkd> Kamion, I kinda doubt that growisofs has writing capability
[04:50] <Kamion> sulkd: you doubt incorrectly
[04:50] <ogra> sulkd: look in the configuration editor if there are more options.....(i know they are, but got no growisofs installed here)
[04:50] <Kamion>        growisofs - combined mkisofs frontend/DVD recording program.
[04:50] <sulkd> I doubt you doubt we done debted
[04:50] <sulkd> :] 
[04:50] <Kamion> sulkd: (so I can tell you haven't read the man page :-))
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[04:50] <sulkd> Kamion, true.. :P
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[04:52] <stuNNed> sulkd, LOL
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[04:52] <stuNNed> sulkd, i didn't done dood it.
[04:52] <gza> How would ubuntu do on a 350mhz + 64 ram?
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[04:53] <ogra> that really gets to weird for non native englishmen now.... i'm off to bed, night guys
[04:53] <sulkd> stuNNed, :] 
[04:53] <stuNNed> cya ogra thanks again for your help :)
[04:53] <ogra> :)
[04:53] <sulkd> gn ogra
[04:53] <ogra> gza: get +64 ;)
[04:53] <ogra> night
[04:54] <zerokarmaleft> gza, i think gnome would crawl with so little RAM
[04:54] <gza> cpu or ram
[04:54] <huttan> ogra, do you know of a good tool to assign commands to mousekeys?
[04:54] <|m|> yeah
[04:54] <|m|> i observed gnome to be ram hungry
[04:55] <gza> |m| that's true
[04:55] <gza> wasn't sure what ubuntu used as a wm/de
[04:56] <zerokarmaleft> gza, you want to use it as a desktop box?
[04:56] <zerokarmaleft> gza, or a fileserver or something
[04:56] <gza> I wouldn't install ubuntu if I needed a fileserver :)
[04:56] <gza> desktop for mom and bro
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[04:57] <gza> zerokarmaleft: was just reading on jimmac's blog about ubuntu
[04:57] <gza> very user friendly etc. easy to install.
[04:58] <Kamion> gza: custom install would be fine, could pick your own wm
[04:59] <Kamion> fluxbox etc. are popular on older boxen
[05:00] <zerokarmaleft> Kamion, but wouldn't be the greatest choice for a typical mom user eh?
[05:00] <Kamion> would depend how you configured it I imagine
[05:00] <Kamion> although sure, not ideal
[05:01] <gza> xfce4 might work though
[05:01] <zenrox> but mom would be able to brek at as easy
[05:01] <zenrox> wouldent
[05:01] <gza> if that's one of the offered wm during the custom install
[05:01] <Kamion> gza: custom = install base system and get out of your face
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[05:01] <Kamion> (renamed to server in hoary)
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[05:02] <gza> ok thanks Kamion, zerokarmaleft etc.
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[05:02] <Kamion> gza: in the custom install you get to run aptitude and pick packages yourself; you'd have to add the universe component (basically Debian built against Ubuntu) in order to get xfce4
[05:02] <Kamion> blah
[05:02] <Bzbb> how would I mount my hdb1, which is NTFS formatted
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[05:03] <zenrox> Bzbb,  sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/foo
[05:03] <Bzbb> would that make it automount on boot?
[05:04] <Bzbb> or do I have to edit fstab?
[05:04] <zenrox> Bzbb, yes edit fstab
[05:04] <zenrox> or read ubuntuguide.org
[05:04] <zenrox> its in thare
[05:04] <Bzbb> ok
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[05:06] <sulkd> Kamion, growisofs is working great.. thx
[05:06] <sulkd> =] 
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[05:07] <Kamion> cool
[05:07] <sulkd> I feel kinda pissed off now... deleted a bunch of movies to free up space before coming and asking :/
[05:08] <sulkd> erhm.. all of those movies were legitimate copies of media I had bought and can show receipts for.. yeah
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[05:28] <MajesticTreeFrog> anyone here?
[05:28] <MajesticTreeFrog> and awake?
[05:29] <zenrox> yep
[05:29] <zenrox> MajesticTreeFrog,  i am here
[05:29] <MajesticTreeFrog> thanks
[05:30] <zenrox> was up and you need help??
[05:30] <zenrox> ill do my best
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[05:30] <MajesticTreeFrog> I cannot log into the website, is it having problems?
[05:30] <zenrox> what web site and how are you trying to connect to it
[05:31] <MajesticTreeFrog> the ubuntulinux website
[05:31] <zenrox> are u using firefox
[05:31] <MajesticTreeFrog> with firefox
[05:31] <MajesticTreeFrog> yes
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[05:32] <zenrox> are you typing in the right url
[05:32] <WeedVender> hello
[05:32] <zenrox> http://www.ubuntulinux.org
[05:32] <zenrox> WeedVender,  hello
[05:32] <MajesticTreeFrog> yes, thats not the problem
[05:32] <WeedVender> how do I enable NTP ?
[05:32] <MajesticTreeFrog> I click the login button, and it takes me to a login form
[05:33] <Am|NickTaken> WeedVender: It was enabled by default for me.
[05:33] <zenrox> right click on your clock and change settings and enable ntp WeedVender
[05:33] <MajesticTreeFrog> I enter the info and it says my user info is incorrect
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[05:33] <zenrox> MajesticTreeFrog,  did you sine up for it
[05:33] <zenrox> on the ubuntulinux.org page
[05:33] <zenrox> or the forums
[05:33] <MajesticTreeFrog> my email address is correct and I copy pasted my password from the email
[05:34] <MajesticTreeFrog> on the ubuntu linux.org page
[05:34] <zenrox> hmm dont know you might have to take that the webpage admin
[05:34] <WeedVender> he can't log on?
[05:34] <zenrox> yep on the webpage
[05:34] <WeedVender> cookies?
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[05:35] <MajesticTreeFrog> they are fine, this only happens on the ubuntulinux page
[05:35] <MajesticTreeFrog> I can log in everywhere else
[05:35] <WeedVender> check your banned websites
[05:35] <MajesticTreeFrog> I dont have any
[05:35] <WeedVender> does linux include a hosts file?
[05:36] <MajesticTreeFrog> and I can see the ubuntulinux webpage
[05:36] <MajesticTreeFrog> just not log in
[05:36] <MajesticTreeFrog> and I am on OS X running the latest firefox
[05:37] <WeedVender> thats odd
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[05:38] <MajesticTreeFrog> indeed
[05:38] <MajesticTreeFrog> and it has done this with two email addresses/logins
[05:38] <MajesticTreeFrog> same response
[05:39] <zerokarmaleft> MajesticTreeFrog, same behavior in safari?
[05:39] <bzbb> hmm
[05:39] <bzbb> I'm having audio problems
[05:39] <stuNNed> anyone know where i can get the most recent lsongs?
[05:39] <MajesticTreeFrog> hmm, havent checked, let me try
[05:40] <dcstimm> I soooooooooo wished that ubuntu live cd saw my dual cpus, gezz so annoying
[05:40] <zerokarmaleft> dcstimm, agreed :/
[05:40] <MajesticTreeFrog> yeah
[05:40] <MajesticTreeFrog> same behavior
[05:40] <WeedVender> odd
[05:41] <WeedVender> then its not browser specific
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[05:41] <MajesticTreeFrog> also, when I first try to log in it says it can't verify its certificake or something
[05:41] <MajesticTreeFrog> certificate
[05:41] <WeedVender> maybe some spyware or virus blocking a site?
[05:41] <MajesticTreeFrog> on osx?
[05:41] <Orcrist> lol
[05:41] <MajesticTreeFrog> and why ubuntu?
[05:41] <WeedVender> long shot.. and Im still thinking on windows
[05:42] <MajesticTreeFrog> yeah
[05:42] <MajesticTreeFrog> I thought the same thing and just turned on norton
[05:42] <MajesticTreeFrog> so, I doubt it
[05:42] <Orcrist> WeedVender, it takes a little while to break that cycle of thinking
[05:42] <bzbb> ok
[05:42] <bzbb> I need some help with audio setup
[05:42] <Orcrist> When I first 'converted' I tried to double click everything in konqueror to run it
[05:43] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, do you have more than one sound card?
[05:43] <bzbb> yes
[05:43] <WeedVender> eh... it looks like ive had a smother transition that you.
[05:43] <WeedVender> bzbb, take one off then
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[05:43] <WeedVender> than*
[05:44] <bzbb> no way to use both?
[05:45] <bzbb> the error I get in rhythem box is Could not open resource for writing
[05:45] <WeedVender> dunno... you would have to ask someone who knows more about linux
[05:45] <MajesticTreeFrog> so, no ideas?
[05:46] <WeedVender> but I know that in some systems, compatibility issues and irq signing can conflict with software
[05:46] <WeedVender> when using two sound cards
[05:46] <bzbb> one of the soundcards is USB
[05:46] <WeedVender> anyway, Majestic: Im still thinking
[05:46] <bzbb> both are visible in volume control
[05:47] <WeedVender> well there still is a conflict
[05:47] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, what's the other one?
[05:47] <WeedVender> but like I said, you would have to ask someone who knows more linux than I do
[05:48] <bzbb> zerokarmaleft, one is a senheiser usb headset
[05:48] <bzbb> the other a via 8235
[05:48] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, are the via outputs working?
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[05:49] <drspin> every time I boot up I have to 1) restart hotplug just to get my mouse working; 2) unload 5 kernel modules and reaload one just to make my sound work; ok that's a start - if anyone could help me I'd appreciate it...
[05:49] <bzbb> I have no idea which one its tring to use
[05:49] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, 'aplay -l' from the terminal
[05:49] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, which one is card 0 and which one is card 1?
[05:50] <crimsun> drspin: don't fret; I have to do much the same
[05:50] <MajesticTreeFrog> hmm
[05:50] <crimsun> drspin: supposedly many such issues are fixed in 2.6.10
[05:50] <MajesticTreeFrog> I just tried reseting my password
[05:50] <crimsun> drspin: just be patient :)
[05:50] <MajesticTreeFrog> I did so
[05:50] <MajesticTreeFrog> but when I try to log in with my new, 'reset' password
[05:51] <MajesticTreeFrog> same error
[05:51] <bzbb> the via is card 0
[05:51] <bzbb> the usb one uses oss
[05:51] <WeedVender> server error = ur IP is banned?
[05:51] <bzbb> and doesn't show up in aplay -l
[05:51] <drspin> crimsun: I think my USB thing is for the lkml -- I've had the same problem on 2.4 & 2.6 kernels on 3 different distros...
[05:52] <drspin> but i'm scared :/
[05:52] <drspin> LOL
[05:52] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, hmm
[05:52] <crimsun> drspin: it has plagued me for ages on 2.6, but it works fine under 2.4.18
[05:52] <crimsun> (Woody kernel)
[05:52] <drspin> crimsun: not for me unfortunately :/
[05:53] <bzbb> ok
[05:53] <bzbb> If i tell xmms to use alsa for output, it work
[05:53] <bzbb> s
[05:54] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, there's also this bug report: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1293
[05:54] <crimsun> bzbb: paste the output of `cat /proc/asound/cards' onto pastebin.com
[05:54] <WeedVender> magical, I can't help yu
[05:54] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, but you have one alsa device and an oss device
[05:54] <WeedVender> you*
[05:54] <WeedVender> nothing comes up but longshots
[05:55] <bzbb> right
[05:55] <bzbb> and the oss device don't work
[05:55] <bzbb> in xmms
[05:55] <bzbb> but the alsa one does
[05:56] <MajesticTreeFrog> can everyone else log into the ubuntulinux website ok?
[05:57] <crimsun> MajesticTreeFrog: I just logged in ok.
[05:57] <MajesticTreeFrog> wtf
[05:57] <MajesticTreeFrog> could someone do me the favor of making a new account, and seeing if that will log in on their computer?
[05:57] <WeedVender> I need to make an account anyway
[05:57] <MajesticTreeFrog> maybe new accounts aren't working
[05:57] <WeedVender> whats the site?
[05:57] <MajesticTreeFrog> ok, thanks
[05:57] <MajesticTreeFrog> ubuntulinux.org
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[06:00] <crimsun> bzbb: did you paste as I requested?
[06:00] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, do you have multiple dsp entries in /dev?
[06:00] <bzbb> sorry, my brother's alarm went off
[06:01] <WeedVender> ehh
[06:01] <WeedVender> Majestic
[06:01] <WeedVender> I think the server hates you
[06:01] <stuNNed> fscking hell lol
[06:02] <stuNNed> fscking 2nd gen dell dj won't work for crapola
[06:02] <stuNNed> w/ubuntu unstable
[06:02] <bzbb> zerokarmaleft, no
[06:03] <bzbb> crimsun, I only have the via card in there
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[06:04] <bzbb> crimsun, I pasted it in
[06:04] <crimsun> bzbb: ok. Would you also paste `lsmod' there?
[06:05] <rituraj> does anyone have experience with cvsup here?
[06:05] <rituraj> i changed the cvs mode from rsync to checkout
[06:05] <rituraj> and it took a very loooooong time
[06:05] <bzbb> ok
[06:06] <rituraj> will it take the same time in subsequent updates or only its for the first time
[06:06] <bzbb> if I can't use the USB audio, I can assemble a cableing workaround
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[06:06] <crimsun> rituraj: the first time always takes a while.
[06:06] <crimsun> rituraj: and you should leave it at its default setting.
[06:07] <rituraj> well i dont know whats the default setting...:) i joined this company when cvsup was already setup
[06:07] <rituraj> but the rsync method used was giving some probs since last week
[06:08] <rituraj> i found the "tag=." commented out in supfile
[06:08] <zerokarmaleft> crimsun, think reordering the module loading will work?
[06:08] <rituraj> i uncommented that and the errors are gone in checkout mode
[06:08] <bzbb> crimsun, its pasted
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[06:08] <crimsun> bzbb: you need to blacklist 'audio'
[06:08] <bzbb> how do I do that?
[06:09] <Danko123456> hi, Guys...What other program than archive manager can I use for unpacking .rar files, preferably a text line program?
[06:09] <Danko123456> command line...
[06:09] <bur[n] er> unrar e blah.rar
[06:09] <crimsun> bzbb: theoretically it should just work. Did you load 'audio.ko' manually?
[06:09] <Danko123456> e hey?
[06:09] <bzbb> no
[06:09] <bur[n] er> or just unrar blah.rar (if you have free unrar)
[06:10] <crimsun> bzbb: echo audio | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:11] <bzbb> ok
[06:11] <bzbb> do I have to restart any daemons?
[06:11] <crimsun> nope
[06:11] <Danko123456> I dont have either
[06:11] <crimsun> but you do have to `sudo modprobe -r audio'
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[06:11] <Danko123456> Get it from Package thing?
[06:12] <bzbb> crimsun, module audio is in use
[06:13] <crimsun> bzbb: exit gnome and then remove it
[06:13] <bzbb> ok
[06:13] <Danko123456> bur[n] er:its not working, I do not have either program installed, can I apt-get install unrar?
[06:13] <Danko123456> or whatever the right syntax is...
[06:13] <Danko123456> :)
[06:13] <socomm> crimsun: Can't you just kill esd?
[06:13] <zerokarmaleft> crimsun, what does the audio module correspond to?
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[06:14] <crimsun> Danko123456: enable the 'multiverse' repo and install 'rar'
[06:14] <bur[n] er> Danko123456: try it ;)
[06:14] <crimsun> Danko123456: then you can use `rar e foo.rar'
[06:14] <bur[n] er> if you can't... apt-cache search rar
[06:15] <Danko123456> foo:)
[06:15] <Danko123456> thanks...
[06:15] <crimsun> zerokarmaleft: it's the oss/free usb audio driver
[06:15] <crimsun> [which obviously conflicts with snd-usb-audio] 
[06:16] <zerokarmaleft> crimsun, ah
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[06:16] <zerokarmaleft> crimsun, so it's getting loaded before snd_usb_audio and it can't grab the device
[06:17] <Danko123456>  crimsun: Danko123456: enable the 'multiverse' repo and install 'rar',   How?
[06:17] <Danko123456> the multiverse part...
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[06:18] <crimsun> Danko123456: in Synaptic, enable the multiverse repo, then Update
[06:18] <bzbb> audio has been removed
[06:18] <Danko123456> I have all checked...
[06:18] <bzbb> same problem
[06:18] <Danko123456> Byut none say multiverse...
[06:18] <crimsun> bzbb: what was the original problem?
[06:19] <crimsun> Danko123456: you need to enable that Repository
[06:19] <Danko123456> Well yeah, I get it...
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[06:19] <Danko123456> But how is my q...
[06:19] <bzbb> when I try to play audio in rhythm box it says: Could not open resource for writing
[06:19] <bzbb> using xmms, if I tell it to use alsa, it works fine with the via
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[06:20] <bzbb> if I tell it to use xmms, I cannot select the usb, and it won't work with the via
[06:20] <gobeavs> hi
[06:20] <crimsun> Danko123456: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543
[06:20] <Danko123456> I go settings>repositories>and they aer all checked...
[06:20] <Danko123456> thanks..
[06:20] <gobeavs> anyone here using the AMD64 version?
[06:21] <crimsun> bzbb: lsmod|grep ^audio
[06:21] <Danko123456> Thanks a lot...
[06:21] <bzbb> crimsun, no returns
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[06:22] <crimsun> bzbb: try `sudo modprobe -r snd-usb-audio && sudo modprobe snd-usb-audio'
[06:22] <gobeavs> If I'm on the AMD64 version, will apt/synaptic only look in the AMD64 parts of repositories?
[06:22] <bzbb> crimsun, that worked
[06:22] <bzbb> but still no audio
[06:22] <gobeavs> when looking in Debian repositories it tries to do that
[06:23] <crimsun> bzbb: now does /proc/asound/cards show 2 cards?
[06:23] <bzbb> ah, but wait
[06:23] <bzbb> yes!
[06:23] <crimsun> bzbb: good.
[06:24] <Danko123456> :)
[06:24] <bzbb> and xmms can play through the usb card
[06:25] <crimsun> good
[06:25] <bzbb> if I tell it to use it
[06:25] <phyberoptix> how do i start a ssh daemon?
[06:25] <dcstimm> why the hell would ubuntu not have a smp kernel option on the livecd, gezz I thought it was nicely optimized... hell it doesnt even reconize my hyper threading!
[06:25] <bzbb> music player still won't work
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[06:26] <crimsun> bzbb: I believe Music Player [Rhythmbox]  by default uses esd as its sink
[06:26] <bzbb> ah
[06:26] <somebody_> what is the best video/DVD player for ubuntu?
[06:27] <crimsun> somebody_: that's subjective
[06:27] <dcstimm> somebody_, mplayer, xine, ogle
[06:27] <crimsun> or 'vlc'
[06:27] <dcstimm> somebody_, vlc
[06:27] <dcstimm> crimsun, beat you to it
[06:27] <bzbb> crimsun, and esd isn't running
[06:27] <crimsun> dcstimm: that's great :)
[06:27] <JDahl> crimsun, no it's not... mplayer is the best... and emacs is better than vim
[06:27] <dcstimm> ;)
[06:27] <somebody_> i c
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[06:28] <crimsun> JDahl: I follow you up til em^H^HI won't utter such blasphemy
[06:28] <bzbb> JDahl, Xemacs!
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[06:28] <gobeavs> how do I get mplayer on the AMD64 version?
[06:28] <gobeavs> when looking in Deb repositories it only looks in AMD64 folders
[06:28] <crimsun> re grepper
[06:29] <grepper> found out how to get my camera to automount
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[06:29] <grepper> it was simple after all - I left out something hal'ish in kernel config
[06:29] <crimsun> bzbb: ok, then you can use gstreamer-properties to set the sink (default output) to ALSA
[06:29] <bzbb> crimsun, if I try to start esd, it says /dev/dsp no such file or directory
[06:29] <bzbb> ok
[06:29] <bzbb> that works
[06:29] <nugget232> is there a way to disable the startup information when ubuntu boots?
[06:30] <grepper> now what that is I haven't looked into yet, but it works fine under ubuntu's stock kernel
[06:30] <crimsun> nugget232: what sort of startup info?
[06:30] <nugget232> the hardware detection and services info
[06:30] <snerfu> I have run into a problem after some upgrades while using hoary, the linux-restricted-modules package would not install, after further investigation it seemed that the command it was running during postinstall: "sudo depmod -a -F /boot/System.map-2.6.9-1-386 2.6.9-1-386" returns a segfault. An strace didn't seem to reveal anything useful. One thing I have done is to reinstall the binutils package.
[06:30] <crimsun> nugget232: not yet.
[06:30] <nugget232> is this something that might be implementeD?
[06:30] <nugget232> *implemented
[06:30] <nugget232> is there an email I can send feedback to?
[06:30] <grepper> anyone know offhand what I could have left out ?
[06:31] <crimsun> nugget232: search for usplash on the wiki
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[06:31] <nugget232> thanks :)
[06:31] <bzbb> crimsun, that only outputs through the VIA
[06:32] <dcstimm> will SMP be enabled in the next version of the livecd?
[06:32] <bzbb> what would be perfect would be all sounds being played through both soundcards
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[06:32] <fabbione> dcstimm: unlikely
[06:32] <dcstimm> fabbione, why not?
[06:32] <crimsun> bzbb: I don't have the gstreamer-properties settings dialog here in front of me (I'm at work), but is there a place to choose which ALSA device?
[06:32] <crimsun> moin fabbione
[06:32] <bzbb> no
[06:32] <fabbione> because SMP doesn't always work on UP machines
[06:32] <dcstimm> fabbione, it should detect it
[06:33] <fabbione> it would reduce compatibility
[06:33] <dcstimm> fabbione, it should boot the kernel it needs, or give me the option
[06:33] <bzbb> it just lets me pick alsa, esd, arts or oss
[06:33] <dcstimm> fabbione, how so?
[06:33] <fabbione> dcstimm: an option would be more appropriate. It is impossible for the bootloader to detect SMP/UP
[06:34] <zerokarmaleft> bzbb, not sure but i think JACK lets you do synchronous output
[06:34] <bzbb> JACK?
[06:34] <fabbione> dcstimm: because not all the hardware is designed with proper specifications
[06:34] <dcstimm> fabbione, true
[06:34] <dcstimm> fabbione, it should still have it
[06:34] <dcstimm> the option
[06:34] <fabbione> dcstimm: you should file a wishlist bug against the live cd
[06:35] <fabbione> dcstimm: but the only problem i see in the operation is space wise
[06:35] <fabbione> since the CD is already pretty full afaik
[06:35] <crimsun> bzbb: hmm, so gstreamer-properties limits you to the first card by default then
[06:35] <bzbb> yeah
[06:36] <crimsun> bzbb: there is a way, but you'll need to create an ~/.asoundrc
[06:36] <gobeavs> nobody knows about the AMD64 repositories?
[06:36] <bzbb> crimsun, as long as I can use emacs
[06:37] <phyberoptix> when i try running a ssh server it fails
[06:37] <crimsun> phyberoptix: the 'openssh-server' package?
[06:37] <phyberoptix> yup
[06:37] <crimsun> what does it fail on?
[06:38] <phyberoptix>  * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server...                               [fail] 
[06:38] <crimsun> bzbb: /join #alsa
[06:38] <phyberoptix> starting
[06:38] <bzbb> crimsun, thanks
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[06:40] <Danko123456> Can you run .chm files in ubuntu?
[06:40] <murtaza> i want to restart samba in ubuntu...any idea
[06:41] <scoon> murtaza, sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
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[06:41] <murtaza> scoon, thnks
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[06:42] <scoon> murtaza, np.
[06:42] <Danko123456> Can you view .chm files in Linux?
[06:42] <Adrenal> what app can play internet radio streams designed for rm or wmp?
[06:42] <odyssey> hi im having a problem when trying to install developement packages with synaptic, it says it just fail due to unresolvable dependencies.. whats up with the dev packages?
[06:42] <murtaza> scoon, actualy i m using samba and ubuntu first time....
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[06:43] <murtaza> scoon, any tip for using them
[06:43] <snerfu> I have run into a problem after some upgrades while using hoary, the linux-restricted-modules package would not install, after further investigation it seemed that the command it was running during postinstall: "sudo depmod -a -F /boot/System.map-2.6.9-1-386 2.6.9-1-386" returns a segfault. An strace didn't seem to reveal anything useful. One thing I have done is to reinstall the binutils package.
[06:44] <zerokarmaleft> Danko123456, http://www.kamasoftware.com/download.php
[06:44] <scoon> murtaza, not really.  there is plenty of info from the ubuntu forums site about samba
[06:45] <gobeavs> I installed the AMD64 version...is there an easy way to get to the i386 version? Reinstall the kernel?
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[06:45] <zerokarmaleft> Danko123456, crappy license tho
[06:46] <zerokarmaleft> Danko123456, http://xchm.sourceforge.net is worth a look
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[06:47] <Danko123456> thanks.
[06:48] <Danko123456> The help viewer on the first link?
[06:48] <Danko123456> So which one do I go with, zerokarmaleft?
[06:48] <zerokarmaleft> xchm is probably better
[06:49] <Danko123456> It sounds nicer
[06:49] <Danko123456> So go with that?
[06:49] <zerokarmaleft> haven't tried either, but i've got a lot of chms laying around
[06:49] <Danko123456> whats the licence thing do you know?
[06:49] <zerokarmaleft> i'm going to try out xchm myself rightt now
[06:49] <Danko123456> cool
[06:50] <Danko123456> Theres one in synaptic,.
[06:51] <Danko123456> I I prefer that way, its easier for now...
[06:51] <zerokarmaleft> gtk1.2 dependencies tho :/
[06:51] <zerokarmaleft> works great
[06:52] <Danko123456> Yeah, works..
[06:52] <Danko123456> cool thanks.
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[06:53] <JayeAeotiv> I went to commit in CVS
[06:53] <JayeAeotiv> and now I'm in this log thing.
[06:53] <JayeAeotiv> I typed up my log... but how do I get out?
[06:54] <zerokarmaleft> Danko123456, if you build from source you can configure to use GTK2 widgets
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[06:54] <Danko123456> I dont know what the gtk thing even is...
[06:54] <Danko123456> Hey do you ever use gcj?
[06:54] <odyssey> why cant i install libglib2.0-dev? it says there are unresolvable dependencies?
[06:55] <JayeAeotiv> anyone know about the cvs?
[06:55] <grepper> anyone have an idea what I am missing in kernel that automounting of usb storage doesn't work ?  I can mount manually ok.
[06:55] <grepper> and it works in ubuntu kernel
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[06:56] <Danko123456> GnomeToolKit2?
[06:56] <Danko123456> is it?
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[06:57] <zerokarmaleft> Danko123456, GTK = GIMP Toolkit
[06:58] <theora> I have just installed ubuntu linux 4.1 and was a wonderful experience. But now i can't boot into winXP. pls help me
[06:58] <Danko123456> So whats it do, you dont have to answer if you dont ahve time...
[06:58] <Danko123456> I probably dont need it since I dont use ut...
[06:58] <snerfu> I have run into a problem after some upgrades while using hoary, the linux-restricted-modules package would not install, after further investigation it seemed that the command it was running during postinstall: "sudo depmod -a -F /boot/System.map-2.6.9-1-386 2.6.9-1-386" returns a segfault. An strace didn't seem to reveal anything useful. One thing I have done is to reinstall the binutils package.
[06:59] <bzbb> ok, I have a radeon 9000, and the highest res the screen resolution tool lets me pick is 1024X768
[06:59] <dcstimm> bzbb, modify your xorg.conf
[06:59] <bzbb> ok
[07:00] <bzbb> is there a nice gui tool?
[07:00] <zenrox> nope
[07:00] <bzbb> oh, boy
[07:00] <dcstimm> why? nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:00] <zenrox> or sudo gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[07:00] <dcstimm> bzbb, you should learn it if your using a distro like ubuntu
[07:01] <bzbb> dcstimm, I have bad memories of editing test files from my debian 2.2 days
[07:01] <zenrox> dcstimm,  pico is easer for command line editing
[07:01] <zerokarmaleft> Danko123456, GNOME 2 is based off of GTK 2, GTK 2 offers themable widgets, among a bunch of other things...in ubuntu a GTK 2 app will look more like everything else relative to GTK 1
[07:01] <dcstimm> zenrox, who wants a xorg.conf~ file in their dir after they are done using gedit?
[07:01] <dcstimm> zenrox, nano -w is nicer
[07:01] <zenrox> dcstimm,  it makes it easy to fix if you brek it
[07:02] <dcstimm> zenrox, well you should think before you type;)
[07:02] <bzbb> said file is empty
[07:02] <odyssey> ok im really stuck now, i dont get what this means. Please help "libglib2.0-dev: Depends: libglib2.0-0 but 2.6.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed"
[07:02] <Danko123456> Great, so you mean the gray look of MacOS9 will go away?
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[07:02] <dcstimm> bzbb, well make sure its there first
[07:02] <Danko123456> zerokarmaleft:Great, so you mean the gray look of MacOS9 will go away?
[07:02] <MagicFab> Hello everyone
[07:02] <Danko123456> HI
[07:03] <dcstimm> bzbb, it might be /etc/X11/XF86Config
[07:03] <MagicFab> I'd like to get my processor's temperature
[07:03] <MagicFab> but cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/* returns 0 degrees!
[07:03] <Danko123456> Anyhow, I would really like to know if anyone knows how to fix up my gcj...
[07:03] <bzbb> the entire x11 directory appears to be non-existant
[07:03] <MagicFab> it's certainly hot - how can I get a good reading / activate ACPI's ?
[07:03] <dcstimm> bzbb, its X not x
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[07:04] <bzbb> dcstimm, argh
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[07:05] <da_bon_bon> hi
[07:06] <Danko123456> hi
[07:06] <Danko123456> :)
[07:06] <zerokarmaleft> Danko123456, yes...
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> Danko123456: hiya
[07:06] <dcstimm> bzbb, did you figure it out?
[07:06] <odyssey> MagicFab, cd /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/
[07:06] <odyssey> and change up to the next dir and you should see some files
[07:07] <bzbb> dcstimm, I think so
[07:07] <dcstimm> good night all
[07:07] <odyssey> MagicFab, like temperature
[07:08] <MagicFab> odyssey: I'm there, precisely temperature is reporting 0 C !
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[07:08] <MagicFab> weird
[07:09] <Danko123456>  zerokarmaleft: COol I understood
[07:09] <Danko123456> ANyone know hwo to make the gcj work?
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[07:10] <AndyFitz> just apt-get upgraded evolution for hoary.  its stopped loading  :-/
[07:11] <scoon> Danko123456, http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/bin/view/Main/NativeBinaries
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[07:12] <enanos> Hola
[07:12] <da_bon_bon> how do i updtae a single software using apt-get ?
[07:12] <enanos> nadie habla espaol
[07:13] <crimsun> AndyFitz: how recently?
[07:13] <scoon> da_bon_bon, check out man apt-get
[07:13] <howard> can someone teach me how to edit menu.lst to see windows if the windows is in a different partition?
[07:13] <da_bon_bon> scoon: ok.
[07:13] <crimsun> AndyFitz: Hoary _just_ got new evo packages a couple hours ago
[07:13] <AndyFitz> crimsun:  I update thrice daily and it was working this morning / lunchtime
[07:14] <AndyFitz> it would be from last update
[07:14] <AndyFitz> Just the usual error:  The Application "evolution" has quit unexpectedly. You can inform the developers of what happened to help them fix it.  Or you can restart the application right now.
[07:14] <MagicFab> enanos: claro
[07:14] <enanos> somebody knows to speak Spanish?
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[07:14] <crimsun> enanos: #ubuntu-es
[07:15] <enanos> jijij
[07:15] <howard> can someone help me?
[07:15] <da_bon_bon> scoon: can u tell me directly? these man pages are hell.
[07:15] <crimsun> howard: it doesn't by default?
[07:15] <scoon> da_bon_bon, apt-get -h
[07:15] <enanos> en el foro de ubuntu-es.org publique una pregunta
[07:15] <howard> crimsun: nope
[07:15] <enanos> y nunca me respondieron
[07:15] <enanos> :'(
[07:16] <MagicFab> enanos: vamos a #ubuntu-es
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[07:16] <enanos> yapis
[07:16] <enanos> weno
[07:16] <howard> crimsun: I have it on the same hard disk, but in different partition
[07:16] <Jarot> hello people
[07:16] <AndyFitz> g'day jarot
[07:16] <howard> crimsun: where can I find my windows partition?
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[07:17] <crimsun> howard: cfdisk /dev/hda
[07:17] <crimsun> howard: is it XP or 98?
[07:17] <howard> crimsun: XP
[07:17] <crimsun> so you'll look for the NTFS one
[07:17] <v7w> can ubuntu use the debian mirrors?
[07:18] <crimsun> v7w: for what reason?
[07:18] <v7w> to upgrade packages
[07:18] <MagicFab> jarot: hi
[07:18] <howard> crimsun: it said fatal error while opening drive when I typed that command
[07:18] <v7w> hey MagicFab
[07:19] <AndyFitz> anyone else getting this evo bug ?  I've restarted EDS etc
[07:19] <v7w> crimsun, to upgrade packages
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[07:19] <MagicFab> v7w: which packages ? why would you do that..
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[07:20] <crimsun> howard: do you have an IDE HD?
[07:20] <crimsun> v7w: for Warty or Hoary?
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[07:21] <Jarot> MagicFab: hello
[07:21] <v7w> I maintain debian packages. However, I don't use ubuntu. Can an ubuntu user upgrade one of my packages?
[07:21] <MagicFab> v7w: short answer is you can - but real question should be "should I" :)
[07:21] <howard> crimsun: how do I check?
[07:21] <crimsun> v7w: what package?
[07:21] <crimsun> or packages?
[07:21] <MagicFab> v7w: I can't answer that
[07:21] <crimsun> some are pulled into universe directly
[07:21] <crimsun> some are recompiled before landing in main/universe
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[07:22] <crimsun> (that should read "pulled into main/universe directly")
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[07:22] <crimsun> v7w: there're a short and a long answer.
[07:22] <v7w> crimsun, pormap
[07:23] <crimsun> v7w: portmap in sid is synced major-wise with hoary
[07:23] <crimsun> 5-7ubuntu3 vs. 5-7
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[07:24] <crimsun> v7w: the main difference is that ubuntu's listens on localhost only on upgrades from warty->hoary
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[07:25] <v7w> crimsun, I've got the same functionality in debian portmap.
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[07:25] <v7w> crimsun, portmap was just an example
[07:25] <crimsun> v7w: then it's safe.
[07:25] <crimsun> v7w: well, the short answer is "usually, but it's recommended to go with ubuntu's repo instead of debian's"
[07:26] <crimsun> v7w: the long answer is of course "with pinning, anything is possible, including massive breakage"
[07:26] <v7w> crimsun, that's fair enough
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[07:26] <ujmob> I think I'm missing something, can you install with the live warty cd?
[07:27] <crimsun> ujmob: no
[07:27] <crimsun> it's not like Knoppix or Kanotix
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[07:27] <ujmob> crimsun, okay, I didn't think you could
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[07:30] <broodster> hey
[07:30] <broodster> what would to location of a second partition on my harddisc be?
[07:30] <broodster> 0,1?
[07:31] <ujmob> For what?
[07:32] <broodster> ?
[07:32] <broodster> i have 1 hard disk
[07:33] <ujmob> Okay, is this for grub?
[07:33] <broodster> and i need to figuir out where my 2nd partition is
[07:33] <broodster> yeah
[07:33] <crimsun> define "second"
[07:33] <crimsun> /dev/hda? ?
[07:33] <broodster> i dunno
[07:33] <broodster> how do i see
[07:33] <broodster> where my partitions are?
[07:34] <crimsun> is it mounted?
[07:34] <broodster> no
[07:34] <ujmob> broodster, what are you trying to do?
[07:34] <broodster> edit grub menu.lst
[07:34] <broodster> so i can get into windows
[07:35] <crimsun> broodster: grep lun0 /var/log/dmesg
[07:35] <broodster> i have windows installed on my second partition
[07:35] <broodster> crimsun what does that do?
[07:36] <ujmob> broodster, okay, ``(hd0,1)'' should correct
[07:36] <broodster> thx
[07:36] <ujmob> broodster, you can run ``fdisk -l /dev/hda'' to see the partitions on your drive
[07:36] <ujmob> broodster, if your drive is indeed hda
[07:36] <crimsun> broodster: it prints out what the kernel detected as your partition map
[07:37] <crimsun> broodster: for instance, for me it's: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 p10 >
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[07:37] <crimsun> my groot=(hd0,9) because my / is /dev/hda10
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[07:39] <DonL> I had to do sudo first, ujmob. Maybe that would be a problem
[07:42] <broodster> /dev/hda1   *           1       52832    26627296+  83  Linux
[07:42] <broodster> /dev/hda2           52833      155040    51512832    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[07:42] <broodster> /dev/hda5           52833      155040    51512391    7  HPFS/NTFS
[07:43] <broodster> so my windows would be at 0,2?
[07:43] <crimsun> windows 95 or xp?
[07:43] <broodster> xp
[07:44] <crimsun> (hd0,4)
[07:44] <broodster> ty
[07:44] <broodster> loads
[07:44] <broodster> =P
[07:44] <ujmob> broodster, do you have two drives in Windows?
[07:45] <broodster> no
[07:45] <crimsun> he has one.
[07:45] <broodster> just 1
[07:45] <crimsun> he has two primary partitions
[07:45] <crimsun> the first is his Ubuntu, the second is an extended partition. Within the extended partition is a logical NTFS partition for his XP install.
[07:46] <broodster> hmmm
[07:46] <broodster> still didn't work...
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[07:46] <DonL> This is the stuff I want to learn
[07:47] <crimsun> DonL: traditional DOS-based layouts have a limitation of 4 primary partitions
[07:47] <jmob|> Wouldn't it be (hd0,2) even though it's an extend partition?
[07:47] <DonL> ..so partition 5 must be a continuance of another one
[07:48] <crimsun> (hd0,1) is the marker for his extended partition
[07:48] <DonL> ..perhaps 2
[07:48] <crimsun> [because it's /dev/hda2] 
[07:48] <crimsun> indices begin from 0
[07:48] <jmob|> crimsun, yeah, I'm saying (hd0,2) for /dev/hda3
[07:48] <jmob|> s/3/5/
[07:49] <crimsun> jmob|: depends on how it was partitioned. I see no mention of a swap partition, for instance.
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[07:49] <DonL> So the first is always 0, the second 1 etc
[07:50] <crimsun> jmob|: there's always a gap of 2 between a primary and a logical inside an extended.
[07:50] <broodster> but however if u looked at it
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[07:50] <broodster> it's hda1
[07:50] <broodster> not hda
[07:50] <broodster> hda would be 0,0 in my brain
[07:50] <broodster> however linux is hda1
[07:50] <broodster> and windows is hda2
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[07:50] <broodster> thus it should be 0,2 =]  right?
[07:51] <jmob|> broodster, start up grub with ``grub --read-only''
[07:51] <crimsun> 0,2 would be /dev/hda3
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[07:51] <crimsun> do you see a /dev/hda3 listed?
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[07:51] <xhypno> Hello All!
=== DonL is totally confused now, but that's okay. Carry on and I'll try to figure it out
[07:51] <Danko123456> Yeeey
[07:51] <xhypno> Has anyone used the standard Debian repositories with Ubuntu?
[07:51] <Danko123456> I got it to work, the gcj that is...
[07:52] <jmob|> broodster, type ``root (hd0,'' then press tab
[07:52] <crimsun> xhypno: I still do.
[07:52] <xhypno> What lines did you add to the sources.list file?
[07:52] <broodster> jmbo| in terminal?
[07:53] <crimsun> xhypno: I added warty originally, then hoary after I removed warty. [I pin to sid.] 
[07:53] <broodster> well
[07:53] <broodster> i still cant get windows to load
[07:53] <broodster>  o_O
[07:53] <jmob|> broodster, ``grub --read-only'' at the terminal, that'll bring up the grub prompt
[07:53] <xhypno> So you use Sid? Have you tried Woody or Sarge with Ubuntu
[07:54] <jmob|> broodster, then type ``root (hd0,'' and press tab, that'll give you a list of how grub thinks your partitions are numbered
[07:54] <crimsun> xhypno: neither of those really work, because you'll basically end up dist-upgrading to Warty/Hoary when you install whatever packages are dependencies
[07:54] <bzbb> ahh
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[07:55] <crimsun> xhypno: but theoretically, yes, both of those would work with warty/hoary
[07:55] <DonL> I feel fortunate that I don't have to have Windows running on this machine. No problems that way
[07:55] <MagicFab> Trying again - looking for someone who'd help me get accurate CPU temp readings...
[07:56] <xhypno> Is Hoary stable enough to use day to day?
[07:56] <crimsun> xhypno: depends. =)
[07:56] <crimsun> xhypno: Warty definitely is.
[07:56] <crimsun> xhypno: Hoary bleeds even more profusely than Sid.
[07:56] <DonL> xhypno, I think I'll wait, but then I'm careful
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[07:57] <xhypno> I added deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
[07:57] <jmob> broodster: http://rafb.net/paste/results/X9g9iW93.html
[07:57] <xhypno> to the sources file
[07:57] <jmob> broodster: do you have an entry like that?
[07:57] <xhypno> I am just trying to make sure I won't cause instabilities
[07:57] <crimsun> xhypno: make sure you pin to your ubuntu flavour, then.
[07:57] <crimsun> xhypno: um
[07:57] <crimsun> xhypno: "stable"? Woody? ...why?
[07:57] <jmob> xhypno: probably want sarge or sid
[07:58] <broodster> hmmm
[07:58] <crimsun> xhypno: you gain nothing substantial by adding woody repo
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[07:58] <xhypno> More software
[07:58] <xhypno> Woody has been around for 3 years now
[07:58] <crimsun> you're better off following jmob's suggestion.
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[07:59] <broodster> grub> root (hd0,
[07:59] <broodster> Error 21: Selected disk does not exist
[07:59] <jmob> broodster: take off the ``0,'' part
[08:00] <broodster> grub> root (hd
[08:00] <broodster> doesnt doanything
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[08:00] <jmob> broodster: seems like you don't have any hard disks
[08:01] <broodster> ...
[08:01] <jmob> ;) I'm lost now
[08:01] <DonL> I'm a newbie to debian, but I notice they've put devices in "media" now. Does that help?
[08:01] <jmob> DonL: help what?
[08:01] <DonL> Find lost devices?
[08:01] <crimsun> DonL: LSB compliance.
[08:02] <broodster> jmob
[08:02] <broodster> it doesnt do anything
[08:02] <broodster> seriously
[08:02] <jmob> broodster: I don't know what's up then, grub might be having problems probing stuff
[08:02] <murtaza> newbie to linux and ubuntu....i want acces windows 2000 server domain...any idea
[08:02] <broodster> i know it doesnt work because
[08:02] <broodster> i tried it
[08:03] <broodster> any my friend tried it
[08:03] <jmob> DonL: depends on how /media is managed, it can be managed manually or with a program that automatically finds devices and mount points
[08:03] <DonL> Ok.I had to figure that one out after coming from an RPM distro
[08:03] <jmob> s/and/and makes/
[08:03] <crimsun> murtaza: using AD/
[08:03] <crimsun> murtaza: ?
[08:03] <broodster> /dev/hda2           52833      155040    51512832    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[08:04] <murtaza> crimsun, ya active directory
[08:04] <broodster> where is that
[08:04] <crimsun> murtaza: there is some basic advice here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ActiveDirectoryHowto
[08:04] <xhypno> Anyone know how to install ICA mode in the Terminal Server Client?
[08:05] <murtaza> crimsun, should i have to configure samba server as well
[08:05] <jmob> broodster: http://rafb.net/paste/results/X9g9iW93.html <-- is your grub entry like that?
[08:05] <crimsun> murtaza: if you want your ubuntu machine to server to windows 2000 machines, yes; otherwise, no.
[08:05] <crimsun> argh
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[08:06] <crimsun> to serve^ to windows 2000...
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[08:06] <broodster> yes
[08:06] <murtaza> crimsun, no my machine will be client to windowss server
[08:06] <jmob> DonL: http://www.linuxbase.org
[08:06] <DonL> Thanks, jmob
[08:07] <crimsun> DonL: see what I typed above? ;)
[08:07] <broodster> jmob yes
[08:07] <rolfzor> does anyone know how I should format my creative muvo? I tried formatting it as vfat, but whenever I start it it says "File system error"
[08:07] <jmob> broodster: I'm not sure what's up then
[08:08] <jmob> broodster: try booting a LiveCD and seeing if that helps grub find your hard drives
[08:08] <xhypno> Anyone know how to install ICA mode in the Terminal Server Client?
[08:08] <jmob> broodster: also, why don't you have a swap partition?
[08:08] <DonL> crimsun, about Murtaza?
[08:08] <murtaza> crimsun, i want to access shared folders in windowz server....
[08:09] <broodster> i do
[08:09] <broodster> i think
[08:09] <crimsun> DonL: no, about LSB compliance in response to your question about /media
[08:09] <jmob> broodster: not according to fdisk, you said you only had one hd right?
[08:09] <DonL> I'll find it crimsun
[08:10] <broodster> i dunno
[08:10] <broodster> its my friends
[08:10] <broodster> and he can't get windows to load whatsoever
[08:10] <jmob> broodster: how is it not working? i.e. how is it failing?
[08:10] <broodster> so i'm helping him
[08:10] <broodster> i told him to load it as 0,1
[08:10] <broodster> and it says
[08:10] <broodster> invalid device requested
[08:11] <broodster> filesystem type unkown
[08:11] <broodster> partion type 0xf make active
[08:11] <crimsun> what are you trying to do?
[08:11] <DonL> DonL: LSB compliance. crimsun, that's all I can find
[08:11] <broodster> load windows
[08:11] <crimsun> DonL: that's all :)
[08:12] <DonL> okay
[08:12] <crimsun> DonL: which leads to the url jmob pasted.
[08:12] <jmob> broodster: you can mess with grub interactively when you first boot up
[08:12] <DonL> ..which is something I downloaded and saves. I will check it out now
[08:12] <broodster> like
[08:12] <broodster> when i first install linux?
[08:13] <crimsun> broodster: when you first boot linux
[08:13] <jmob> broodster: no, when the computer boots up
[08:13] <DonL> Got some reading to do. Night all
[08:13] <crimsun> cya DonL
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[08:13] <broodster> well how do you boot windows
[08:13] <broodster> that's all i want to know
[08:13] <crimsun> did you tell it root (hd0,4) ?
[08:15] <crimsun> broodster: tried reading http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/ ?
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[08:16] <crimsun> bbl
[08:21] <murtaza> crimsun, i have tried to connect to windowz server..but it is not prompting me to apply any credentials
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[08:23] <murtaza> crimsun, instead it gives me error that u folder can be access
[08:25] <murtaza> any one can help me resolving the problem i mention above to crimsun
[08:28] <jmob> murtaza: if you just want to connect to a windows server, I'd suggest looking up some documentation on samba in general
[08:30] <broodster> where is my linux.bin???
[08:31] <murtaza> jmob, i have red the ocumentation but it is not working
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[08:33] <jmob> murtaza: without of what you've tried and how it's not working most people here are going to have a trouble helping
[08:33] <jmob> s/without/without a description/
[08:34] <broodster> where is my linux.bin???
[08:34] <jmob> broodster: you don't have one
[08:34] <stuNNed> http://hr.uoregon.edu/davidrl/samba.html murtaza
[08:34] <murtaza> jmob, OK tell me the mount command
[08:35] <jmob> murtaza: I can't remember off the top of my head, I usually just look it up
[08:35] <jmob> murtaza: or do ``man mount''
[08:35] <murtaza> jmob, mount -o user=username,password=password //myserver/myfolder /home/path
[08:36] <jmob> murtaza: what's the error message?
[08:39] <murtaza> jmob, mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //server/datashare,
[08:39] <murtaza>        or too many mounted file systems
[08:40] <stuNNed> murtaza, you need to specify type
[08:41] <jmob> murtaza: try adding ``-t smbfs''
[08:41] <murtaza> jmob, no i got it. i dont have smbfs installed
[08:41] <jmob> murtaza: yay
[08:41] <stuNNed> and -o is option, you need to specify an option or leave it out.
[08:42] <murtaza> jmob, i am getting it installed now..
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[09:16] <Synek> hi
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[09:29] <Danko123456> hi
[09:29] <Danko123456> :)
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[09:31] <alka_trash> good evening ubuntu peeps
[09:31] <Danko123456> good morning.,
[09:31] <Danko123456> :)
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[09:33] <CaPS_> G'morning
[09:33] <Danko123456> hi
[09:33] <Danko123456> :)
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[09:39] <CaPS_> I noticed Warty comes with PHP 4.3.8. Is there any way to see if it was patched against the recent PHP vulnerabilities?
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[09:40] <crimsun> CaPS_: check the changelog.Debian.gz
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[09:40] <Lathiat> CaPS_: If you update with ubuntu security, odds are it is
[09:40] <Lathiat> CaPS_: but if your not using ubuntu security, then it wont be until you do since warty was released before they came out
[09:41] <Lathiat> CaPS_: just like any other security problem, and you can check changelog.Deian.gz as crimsun said to verify
[09:41] <CaPS_> I've installed php4.3.8 after the base install.. Would it've installed possible security updates with that?
[09:42] <CaPS_> Also, how do I check for updates without actually installing anything just yet? (like 'emerge -pv $packagename' in gentoo)
[09:43] <CaPS_> (and where is this changelog.gz? I thought it'd be in /usr/share/php/ .. but there's no such directory :| )
[09:43] <crimsun> CaPS_: the 'php4' package for warty?
[09:43] <CaPS_> woah, buncha questions :)
[09:43] <CaPS_> crimsun, both php4 and the mod_php4 package for apache2
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[09:43] <crimsun> CaPS_: because the php4 package is in warty/universe, it does not receive support
[09:44] <crimsun> CaPS_: thus, no security updates
[09:44] <CaPS_> the php4 package is the cgi/cli binary I suppose
[09:44] <CaPS_> that's ok, that's not being remotely called
[09:44] <crimsun> CaPS_: /usr/share/doc/php4/changelog.Debian.gz
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[09:45] <CaPS_> last update in august
[09:45] <CaPS_> eep
[09:45] <crimsun> CaPS_: on the other hand, mod_php4 (package name 'libapache2-mod-php4') does receive support because it's in warty/main
[09:46] <crimsun> CaPS_: version 4:4.3.8-3ubuntu7.1 from warty-security/main is the latest
[09:46] <CaPS_> got that
[09:46] <crimsun> CaPS_: you can check /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-php4/changelog.Debian.gz
[09:46] <CaPS_> I'm also seeing CAN- references describing the issues in that changelog, so it's patched :)
[09:46] <crimsun> indeed.
[09:47] <crimsun> remember you can verify this yourself with `apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-php4'
[09:47] <crimsun> that will show you that the latest package is in 'warty-security/main'
[09:48] <CaPS_> 'Candidate' field being the latest version available?
[09:48] <Lathiat> CaPS_: no, thats Installed:
[09:48] <crimsun> CaPS_: generally, yes
[09:48] <CaPS_> I mean available from the repository
[09:48] <Lathiat> oh
[09:48] <Lathiat> wait
[09:48] <Lathiat> i misread that
[09:48] <Lathiat> i suck
[09:48] <CaPS_> awww
[09:48] <crimsun> CaPS_: they're listed in descending availability
[09:48] <Lathiat> your right ;p
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[09:49] <CaPS_> crimsun, great, thanks.
[09:49] <muempf> hello
[09:49] <crimsun> np
[09:49] <crimsun> 'lo
[09:50] <CaPS_> one last question for now.. can I generate an overview of all packages that are candidate for upgrading? (security fixes)
[09:50] <muempf> could someone help me with a x-server problem
[09:50] <crimsun> CaPS_: yes; the presentation will differ for whichever apt frontend you use
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[09:51] <crimsun> CaPS_: for instance, Synaptic will show you a list of available updates, as will apt-get, aptitude, dselect, ...
[09:51] <crimsun> the -u flag to apt-get is what is useful for me
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[09:52] <glob> bye ^^
[09:53] <CaPS_> crimsun, Synaptic seems to have a filter "Installed (upgradeable) which does exactly what I want :)
[09:53] <Danko123456> bye
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[09:53] <glob> ehm..there's anyone that know how to clear the Ram when linux reboot ?
[09:55] <CaPS_> glob, I assume that memory is cleared when the machine actually reboots. It looses it's data when the power is taken off (even for a brief moment)
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[09:55] <glob> CaPS_ the problem is that when i reboot from linux WindowsXp Crash in loading .. and if i Shutdown (so the ram is totally cancelled) Windows go perfect
[09:56] <glob> CaPS_ maybe i'm not alone with this problem http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp/r1029856919
[09:57] <CaPS_> glob, that page describes RAM at fault.
[09:57] <crimsun> glob: that's not a Linux issue but a hardware issue
[09:57] <crimsun> it's a combination of a bad motherboard and bad memory
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[09:57] <crimsun> there's no workaround except to cold boot each time
[09:58] <glob> crimsun but i haven't change the ram...
[09:58] <CaPS_> Wouldn't replacing the RAM help ?
[09:58] <glob> crimsun i haven't any ram ... (is sdram pc100) .. i must wait 8 Gen to change it
[09:58] <crimsun> yes, replacing the RAM and/or the motherboard would completely resolve the problem, but there is no workaround.
[09:59] <glob> crimsun cold boot ? what you mean ?
[09:59] <crimsun> glob: power down, power up
[09:59] <glob> crimsun oh right ^_^
[09:59] <CaPS_> although, I remember some kind of patch to the linux kernel that'd block out the faulty regions of memory.. it wouldn't be actually used or something. I looked at it when I had faulty RAM
[09:59] <CaPS_> then I gave up and just replaced it
[09:59] <CaPS_> heh
[09:59] <crimsun> yes, that's the badmem patch
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[10:00] <crimsun> it doesn't help when _all_ of your RAM is shot
[10:00] <CaPS_> perhaps it'd block out the entire dimm haha
[10:00] <glob> oh so is there a solution ?
[10:00] <CaPS_> oh dear, what have I said
[10:00] <AndyFitz> anyones hoary evolution update bugger up ?
[10:00] <crimsun> yes, the "solution" is to buy new RAM and/or motherboard
[10:01] <glob> crimsun i have a notebook .. i hope that the problem is the ram :(
[10:01] <CaPS_> oh ouch
[10:01] <crimsun> AndyFitz: yes
[10:01] <crimsun> AndyFitz: again, it's hoary.
[10:01] <crimsun> *shrug
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[10:02] <AndyFitz> all good.  guess ill just wait until the next update
[10:02] <glob> but .. so the problem is hardware right ? i think that if i change distro i don't resolve nothing right?
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[10:03] <crimsun> glob: that is correct.
[10:03] <glob> crimsun but not good ^_^
[10:03] <glob> uff...i don't understand why Linux doesn't have problem and Windows yes ... fuck win
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[10:05] <glob> mmm is there a tool to check the ram ?
[10:05] <CaPS_> memtest86
[10:05] <glob> thanks CaPS_
[10:05] <crimsun> memtest86+
[10:05] <CaPS_> ^-
[10:06] <glob> oh is in the menu of Grub ! Wow !
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[10:06] <glob> ok..test is started...
[10:07] <CaPS_> Is there a setting for the gnome panel (taskbar) that'll let me close a group of tasks when they're grouped together? Like 4 filemanager windows?
[10:07] <crimsun> you can close groups of Nautilus windows
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[10:07] <crimsun> you'll see the option in the File menu
[10:07] <abelli> buon giorno
[10:08] <CaPS_> I'm used to RMB on the grouped tasks and hit close
[10:08] <crimsun> hola
[10:08] <abelli> crimsun: italian... not spanish.... ;)
[10:08] <abelli> crimsun: italiano style.
[10:08] <crimsun> abelli: I only speak English ;)
[10:08] <CaPS_> crimsun, I'm not talking about closing individual windows, but rather all windows within the grouped ... thingy :P
[10:08] <glob> ciao abelli .. anche te italiano eh !? ^_^
[10:08] <crimsun> about the only thing I know is "ciao"
[10:09] <abelli> crimsun: well next time you can go "buon giorno principessa"
[10:09] <CaPS_> I seem to remember 'gracie' and 'biera' ;P
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[10:09] <crimsun> abelli: grazi (?)
[10:09] <glob> grazie
[10:09] <CaPS_> hah
[10:09] <abelli> CaPS_: "grazie birra
[10:09] <glob> i'm italian ^^
[10:09] <crimsun> 'k
[10:10] <CaPS_> meh I've only been to Riccione for a week and that was years ago, I get to misspell :)
[10:10] <abelli> crimsun: do you have an idea how to use the administrative-part of cups
[10:10] <crimsun> abelli: unfortunately I do not
[10:10] <abelli> crimsun: who should i ask to?
[10:10] <CaPS_> abelli, http://127.0.0.1:631
[10:11] <CaPS_> should be -sorta- straightforward
[10:11] <abelli> CaPS_: the problem is i cannot acces the administrative area
[10:11] <CaPS_> although I cannot believe they haven't changed that layout still
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[10:11] <CaPS_> abelli, what message are you getting
[10:11] <CaPS_> ?
[10:11] <abelli> CaPS_: it asks for a pwd [root, i suppose]  i dont have..
[10:11] <CaPS_> ahhh
[10:12] <abelli> abelli: is it a matter of rewriting some code or just configuration?
[10:12] <CaPS_> have you tried your 'main' user password?
[10:12] <CaPS_> It's in the lpadmin group so I'd assume...
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[10:12] <cartman> hey all
[10:13] <abelli> CaPS_: well it's a friend's problem... but yeah, i supposed he tried it..
[10:13] <abelli> abelli: im sure it works if you activate root account during install
[10:13] <cartman> I am currently a debian user. Wonder if I install warty and add "unstable" keyword to my sources.list can I upgrade to ubuntu unstable (whatever codename is)
[10:13] <cartman> ?
[10:13] <abelli> cartman: use hoary
[10:14] <cartman> abelli: so hoary is the unstable ?
[10:14] <abelli> cartman: ...sorry "hoary", it's ubuntu unstable-codename
[10:14] <cartman> okies
[10:14] <crimsun> cartman: keep in mind quite a bit of stuff is broken atm
[10:14] <cartman> abelli: also I can choose not to install gnome right?
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[10:14] <cartman> crimsun: any list of whats currently borked?
[10:14] <abelli> abelli: yep.. but it's the only de supported
[10:15] <cartman> abelli: its ok.
[10:15] <crimsun> cartman: X.Org, evolution, perhaps gnome-panel*
[10:15] <abelli> cartman: i suggest ion
[10:15] <cartman> btw wardy is based on Debian unstable?
[10:15] <abelli> cartman: yes.
[10:15] <crimsun> cartman: warty is based on a snapshot of Sid from earlier this year.
[10:15] <cartman> ok thanks :)
[10:15] <cartman> last question possibly
[10:16] <cartman> is Hoary compiled with gcc 3.4 ?
[10:16] <crimsun> no
[10:16] <crimsun> 3.3.5
[10:16] <cartman> uhm
[10:16] <cartman> any plans to do so?
[10:16] <crimsun> no
[10:16] <cartman> or waiting for gcc 4.0?
[10:16] <nakeee> why does the gcc version matter so much?
[10:17] <crimsun> I doubt the default compiler will be shifted to 3.4 until is is in Sid.
[10:17] <crimsun> until it is^
[10:17] <cartman> nakee gcc 3.4 c++ perfomance pretty good
[10:17] <cartman> nakee I develop KDE software so I need it
[10:17] <crimsun> nakeee: for some $ARCHes 3.4 performance is much better
[10:17] <cartman> not that mixing gcc 3.3 & gcc 3.4 creates any problems but
[10:17] <crimsun> (also resolves quite a list of FTBFSes)
[10:17] <nakeee> hmm I didn't see any major changes
[10:18] <cartman> nakee for once iostreams got optimized
[10:18] <abelli> cartman: you can move to Gnome whenever you want, actually :)
[10:18] <cartman> even faster than Intel C++ compiler
[10:18] <cartman> abelli: I am a KDE developer, so thats not a choice ;)
[10:18] <nakeee> cartman: I'll believe that when I see benchmarks:)
[10:18] <cartman> nakee check gcc 2004 conference notes
[10:18] <cartman> there are benchmarks
[10:19] <CaPS_> cartman is already going to get into trouble for joining this channel if it leaks out into the kde world.. ;-)
[10:19] <cartman> CaPS_: well there is mention of Kubuntu :)
[10:19] <abelli> cartman: that would be the first defacement of my life :)
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[10:20] <cartman> I don't care actually. I compile my own KDE
[10:20] <mlambie> can anyone tell me how I can force a USB disk to remount?
[10:20] <CaPS_> cartman, the ubuntu people are talking with kde devs about inclusion according to one of the URLs in the topic :)
[10:20] <mlambie> it's connected to my docking station, and I pulled the laptop out before unmounting it.
[10:20] <mlambie> lsof /external shows no open files :(
[10:22] <nakeee> man! you won't believe how many gcc 2004 conferences happened this year!:)
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[10:23] <CaPS_> what's a gui tool for managing users in gnome?
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[10:27] <abelli> CaPS_: system settings -> users n groups ?!
[10:28] <nakeee> cartman: any idea where those benchmarks are?I can't seem to locate them
[10:28] <CaPS_> abelli, eep, sorry.. getting used to the system mate :)
[10:29] <abelli> nakeee: it's kde secret-stuff...
[10:29] <abelli> nakeee: it's kind of ritual sacrifices and offerings..
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[10:33] <nakeee> I guess.. if google can't find it..
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[10:34] <glob> azz..how long is the test of MemTest86 _
[10:35] <crimsun> glob: depending on the speed of your memory and how much you have, it can take a _very_ long time
[10:35] <glob> crimsun 126MB sdram .. on a PIII 500
[10:35] <glob> sorry 128
[10:35] <abelli> glob: use ion
[10:35] <crimsun> perhaps an hour or two
[10:35] <glob> ion?
[10:36] <abelli> windows manager..
[10:36] <kalis> Helo! I am having a problem with alsa sound in ubuntu hoary. I got two of all sound devices, etc audio, audio1, mixer, mixer1. And it seems that audio1 is the one that works. Any idea of how to get rid of the double devices_
[10:36] <kalis> ?
[10:36] <abelli> it's just a bit of advertisement
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[10:36] <broodster> hey
[10:36] <jmob> glob: don't use ion, it's too much of pita
[10:36] <broodster> why wont my firefox load?
[10:36] <jmob> glob: I'd suggest openbox3 if you're on a resource tight system
[10:37] <crimsun> or even blackbox
[10:37] <jmob> broodster: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[10:37] <crimsun> kalis: paste the output of `cat /proc/asound/cards' to pastebin.com
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[10:37] <broodster> jmob
[10:37] <broodster> my firefox isnt work
[10:37] <broodster> working
[10:37] <broodster> so how the hell
[10:37] <broodster> can i see it?
[10:37] <CaPS_> telnet >:P
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[10:38] <jmob> broodster: lynx
[10:38] <crimsun> broodster: execute `mozilla-firefox' from a terminal
[10:38] <kalis> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/134736
[10:38] <jmob> broodster: apt-get install lynx
[10:38] <kalis> crimsun, the weird thing is that there only is ONE card in the darn computer, the Live card.
[10:38] <broodster> broodster@broodster:~ $ mozilla-firefox
[10:38] <broodster> Error: No running window found
[10:38] <broodster> auto selected locale: en-US
[10:38] <broodster> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/x86_64/dl-machine.h: 532: elf_machine_rela_relative: Assertion `((reloc->r_info) & 0xffffffff) == 8' failed!
[10:38] <abelli> jmob: why not ion?
[10:39] <crimsun> broodster: did you install unofficial packages from somewhere?
[10:39] <crimsun> broodster: (and I presume you're running amd64?)
[10:39] <broodster> yeah
[10:39] <crimsun> kalis: not according to ALSA you don't
[10:39] <crimsun> kalis: you have onboard sound enabled in bios, too
[10:40] <broodster> broodster@broodster:~ $ sudo apt-get install lynx
[10:40] <broodster> Password:
[10:40] <broodster> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:40] <broodster> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:40] <broodster> Package lynx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:40] <broodster> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:40] <broodster> is only available from another source
[10:40] <broodster> E: Package lynx has no installation candidate
[10:40] <jmob> abelli: b/c it's a non-traditional wm that doesn't take enough countermeasures to the fact that most applications assume you have a traditional wm
[10:40] <kalis> crimsun, ALSA tells me there is, but there is no onboard soundcard on my motherboard ;)
[10:40] <jmob> abelli: e.g. I had to work to hard to get things to work correctly
[10:40] <crimsun> kalis: one of you is lying
[10:40] <kalis> crimsun, how do i tell alsa to ignore the "onboard" card?
[10:40] <crimsun> kalis: any my money is that the hardware ain't lying
[10:41] <broodster> well im gonna reboot
[10:41] <broodster> see if that fixes anything
[10:41] <crimsun> kalis: reboot and disable the onboard sound
[10:41] <jmob> Unpacking lynx (from .../lynx_2.8.5-1ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[10:41] <jmob> Setting up lynx (2.8.5-1ubuntu1) ...
[10:41] <cartman> nakee one minute
[10:41] <crimsun> I bet broodster is attempting to run 32-bit moz-firefox in a "pure 64" env
[10:41] <glob> but...after this test of MemTest86..if it'll find some things that are wrong ... it can adjust it ? (maybe i'm asking too much from this tool ^^ )
[10:41] <kalis> mmkay! I'll try that, i hoped i would'nt have to reboot though.
[10:42] <jmob> crimsun: does ubuntu have a 64 bit port?
[10:42] <cartman> nakee get http://www.gccsummit.org/2004/2004-GCC-Summit-Proceedings.pdf and search for iostream
[10:42] <crimsun> jmob: yep, it's part of the default amd64 warty install
[10:42] <abelli> jmob: amd64
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[10:42] <cartman> nakee you can query me if you can't find details
[10:42] <nakeee> cartman: thanks
[10:42] <cartman> thanks for help
[10:42] <cartman> see ya guys
[10:43] <abelli> cartman: ciao
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[10:43] <jmob> nice, any opinions on whether is wokrs better than debians amd64 port?
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[10:43] <broodster> ah
[10:43] <broodster> that solved it
[10:43] <broodster> =D
[10:43] <crimsun> that's good.
[10:43] <crimsun> jmob: it's more streamlined in terms of install
[10:44] <crimsun> jmob: I can't speak from experience (daily use)
[10:44] <jmob> crimsun: I had debian's port working well
[10:44] <jmob> crimsun: until I blew it away with some stupid commands :)
[10:45] <jmob> I think I ran something along the lines of COLUMNS=100 apt-get install --reinstall `dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'`
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[10:49] <crimsun> hehe
[10:49] <kalis> crimsun, that worked like a charm! My motherboard must have som false audio chip mounted to it, because there is no other audio-output then on my SB Live card... Really annoying!
[10:49] <crimsun> kalis: oh, it's definitely a real audio chip
[10:50] <kalis> Hmmm! Does your evolution-2 crash at startup in hoary? Mine does! Weird! I'll have to compile it myself then...
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[10:50] <crimsun> yes, it's a known issue.
[10:51] <crimsun> "the perils of using hoary"
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[10:51] <cartman> is there a hoary iso somewhere?
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[10:52] <cartman> or I need to apt-get dist-upgrade from warty?
[10:52] <nakeee>  apt-get dist-upgrade from warty
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[10:52] <cartman> ok
[10:53] <crimsun> there are snapshots of hoary
[10:53] <abelli> cartman.. cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/hoary/array-2/
[10:54] <cartman> abelli: are they daily snapshots or?
[10:55] <abelli> no.. you should NOT use the daily because i think they're broken..
[10:55] <rocky_> I'm outta here dudes
[10:55] <abelli> rocky_: ciao
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[10:56] <cartman> abelli: then I will do apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:56] <morgs> Yo, I've got a hoary problem... Dist-upgrade from warty went smoothly yesterday and everything still worked. I stopped and started gdm to get x.org running... but today when I booted up and logged in, no gnome panels - nothing. Not even my wallpaper. Fail-safe Gnome session does not help.
[10:56] <cartman> so apt-listbugs can warn me
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[11:01] <sap> how do you start a gtk app owned by root? I just tried to suid firestarter but can't start it as a normal user. After reading the suid bit of gtk.org I understand why, but how do people here get around this?
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[11:02] <treed> gksu I think
[11:02] <treed> or sudo, I guess
[11:02] <abelli> gksudo.. better
[11:03] <sap> ok, I'll take a look - thanks
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[11:04] <loogaroo> hi
[11:04] <El_Che> lo; any idea if the source of linux-restricted-modules is available to compile wpa_supplicant?
[11:07] <loogaroo> Does someone knowm, how the man-page from "dep-pkg" is called?
[11:07] <loogaroo> I have no X to google for it
[11:08] <abelli> loogaroo: use links
[11:08] <abelli> El_Che: nice nick but i can't help sorry ;)
[11:08] <El_Che> abelli: just trying not to compile new kernel from scratch :)
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[11:09] <cartman> btw can I bug anyone why my ubuntu cds still didn't arrive?
[11:09] <cartman> I signed up long ago
[11:09] <loogaroo> cartman: where do you live?
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[11:09] <cartman> loogaroo: Turkey
[11:10] <loogaroo> and when did you order?
[11:10] <cartman> when it showed up on /.
[11:10] <abelli> cartman: mako
[11:11] <cartman> abelli: thanks
[11:11] <cartman> at least I want to know if they will arrive :-)
[11:11] <loogaroo> my cds arrived :)
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[11:12] <loogaroo> I think you will get it soon
[11:12] <cartman> loogaroo: I will burn warty to cd in 6 hours but at least I could give cd to friends
[11:13] <CaPS_> I got mine last friday
[11:15] <loogaroo> abelli: links is unhandy
[11:16] <wezzer-> what what, have ubuntu cd's shipped?
[11:16] <abelli> loogaroo: well i was just suggesting ;)
[11:17] <loogaroo> abelli: thx :)
[11:18] <abelli> loogaroo: i think that when you need something it immediatly becomes handy ;)
[11:18] <abelli> 
[11:18] <loogaroo> wezzer-: yes and they look good
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[11:19] <wezzer-> wow, I wonder when do I get mine
[11:19] <liquidboy> um, i need some help with mplayer. i (think) i need it to play asx / asf files (like on www.mp3.com.au/thedry) but i installed via synaptic, and i 'open with' mplayer, but nothing happens... *help*
[11:19] <wezzer-> was there a website, where I could check my order's status?
[11:20] <liquidboy> and when i try to open it from the "apps" menu, it does nothign too
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[11:21] <liquidboy> is mplayer generally buggey? (i think i remember reading it somewhere in the forums) if so, is htere a better way to play asx/asf files?
[11:22] <loogaroo> liquidboy: did you check if a process is created if you "click" on mplayer?
[11:22] <loogaroo> mplayer is the greatest player an the world
[11:22] <liquidboy> how do i do that? is it type "top" in a terminal?
[11:22] <liquidboy> oh right
[11:23] <liquidboy> incase it matters, it's called "gmplayer"
[11:23] <liquidboy> i installed "mplayer custom"
[11:23] <liquidboy> cos the other ones had dependancies that couldnt be resolved through synaptic
[11:23] <sap> I want to run a root owned program without having to provide the root password each time. Do I create a group that has executable permissions and add myself to it, or edit /etc/sudoers?
[11:23] <loogaroo> liquidboy: see you a (g)mplayer process with top?
[11:24] <liquidboy> it's hard to see they're always chaning around, but i dont think so
[11:24] <liquidboy> nope i definitely dont
[11:24] <loogaroo> loogaroo: try to start mplayer from command line with "mplayer <file>.<ext>
[11:25] <loogaroo> liquidboy: use "ps aux | grep mplayer" for process listening
[11:26] <crimsun> sap: "root owned?"
[11:26] <liquidboy> *woosh* what's tat loogaroo?
[11:27] <sap> crimsun: -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       737696 2004-08-13 19:08 /usr/sbin/firestarter
[11:27] <loogaroo> liquidboy: ?
[11:27] <liquidboy> you said "use "ps aux | grep mplayer" for process listening, what is process listening, and how do i use it? (im a noob :P)
[11:27] <crimsun> sap: doesn't firestarter provide an initscript?
[11:28] <sap> crimsun: it would be nice if it did, this is what I'm trying to do ... get it started at boot/login
[11:29] <loogaroo> oh, I created "process listening" for my own with my poor english, I mean "to list the mplayer processes"
[11:29] <liquidboy> oh right
[11:29] <crimsun> sap: um, it does.
[11:29] <liquidboy> so i put that into a terminal?
[11:30] <crimsun> sap: /etc/init.d/firestarter
[11:30] <loogaroo> liquidboy: yes
[11:30] <liquidboy> i get this: 15279  0.0  0.2  1820  560 pts/0    R+   23:30   0:00 grep mplaye
[11:30] <liquidboy>  15288  0.0  0.2  1820  560 pts/0    R+   23:30   0:00 grep mplayer
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[11:30] <liquidboy> there thats the proper one
[11:30] <sap> crimsum: hmm, not noticed that, thanks
[11:30] <loogaroo> liquidboy: ok, this means that there is no mplayer process
[11:31] <ls-a> hi guys
[11:31] <liquidboy> oh right
[11:31] <ls-a> need soem advice on a squid
[11:31] <liquidboy> well, i installed it...
[11:31] <loogaroo> liquidboy: this is only the grep process
[11:31] <liquidboy> what's grep?
[11:32] <loogaroo> liquidboy: you used it "ps aux | >>GREP<< mplayer"
[11:32] <loogaroo> liquidboy: start mplayer from the terminal
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[11:32] <liquidboy> k
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[11:32] <Guerin> hey guys, speedy question: is gnu nano ubuntu's base editor?
[11:33] <liquidboy> i typed in "mplayer" and this is what i got...
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[11:33] <liquidboy> MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.4 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team
[11:33] <liquidboy> CPU: Advanced Micro Devices Duron MG Morgan 1314 MHz (Family: 6, Stepping: 1)
[11:33] <liquidboy> Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes
[11:33] <liquidboy> 3DNow supported but disabled
[11:33] <liquidboy> 3DNowExt supported but disabled
[11:33] <liquidboy> CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
[11:33] <liquidboy> Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 SSE SSE2
[11:33] <liquidboy> Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[11:33] <loogaroo> liquidboy: no
[11:33] <liquidboy> Illegal instruction
[11:33] <liquidboy> oops, sorry guyes
[11:33] <liquidboy> wasnt thinking.. shouldnt have pasted that... *blush*
[11:34] <ls-a> how do i make a squid to start by itself when by any reason dropping down?
[11:34] <loogaroo> liquidboy: type "mplayer <filename>.asf" in your terminal, I am sure mplayer will tell you the problem
[11:35] <liquidboy> k
[11:36] <broodster> how do i see my version of mysql?
[11:36] <liquidboy> loogaroo, i typed in this: mplayer /home/matthew/PlayASX.ASP and it gave me the same feedback it did when i typed "mplayer" ina terminal
[11:37] <liquidboy> and it does the same thing when i goto the folder first...
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[11:38] <crimsun> broodster: `mysql -V' or `mysql --version'
[11:38] <loogaroo> liquidboy: .asp?
[11:39] <loogaroo> liquidboy: is .asp a media file? I think its a web dokument
[11:39] <flodin> is there a way to tell what frequency powernowd has currently set the cpu to?
[11:39] <flodin> after installing ubuntu it seems my battery power is consumed much faster
[11:39] <broodster> ty
[11:39] <crimsun> liquidboy: dpkg -l 'mplayer*'|grep ^ii
[11:39] <liquidboy> asp = a streaming file
[11:39] <liquidboy> for streaming an mp3
[11:40] <liquidboy> i dunno
[11:40] <Agrajag> no, asp is active server page
[11:40] <liquidboy> yeah
[11:40] <Agrajag> something used in IIS I think
[11:40] <loogaroo> pahh
[11:40] <liquidboy> crimsun: i type that in a terminal, what does it do?
[11:41] <crimsun> liquidboy: displays what mplayer package you have installed and version
[11:41] <loogaroo> I did not know that you can stream mp3 with asp
[11:42] <loogaroo> it could be that streaming from asp is a problem for mplayer
[11:42] <liquidboy> yeah
[11:42] <Agrajag> I doubt it, I got the illegal instruction thing too
[11:42] <Agrajag> not even when opening a file
[11:42] <Agrajag> just running mplayer
[11:42] <Agrajag> I never tried to fix it because I prefer xine
[11:42] <liquidboy> crimusn: ii  mplayer-custom 1.0-pre5-0.6ub The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux
[11:43] <crimsun> liquidboy: you're not supposed to use that package on ubuntu
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[11:43] <crimsun> liquidboy: as noted on the RestrictedFormats wiki page
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[11:43] <crimsun> liquidboy: instead use the `mplayer-586' package
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[11:44] <liquidboy> ok
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[11:45] <liquidboy> i tried installing the 586 version but i get "could not mark all packages of installation..."
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[11:45] <liquidboy> it says somehting about unresolvable dependencies...
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[11:47] <cartman> anyone tried to sid->hoary ?
[11:47] <crimsun> cartman: sid->hoary doesn't work too well. You're better off running sid _with_ hoary or vice versa, but one of them needs to be pinned.
[11:48] <crimsun> liquidboy: are you installing from marillat or ubuntu's multiverse?
[11:48] <cartman> crimsun: I checked wiki and it says only gnome is problematic
[11:48] <crimsun> liquidboy: marillat's packages were updated recently and are no longer installable on warty
[11:48] <cartman> which I don't care :/
[11:48] <liquidboy> oih right
[11:49] <crimsun> cartman: I presume you only have hoary lines now?
[11:49] <crimsun> cartman: it's doable if not a bit crufty
[11:49] <cartman> crimsun: yup
[11:49] <liquidboy> well i have marillant active, would it help if i just deactivate it in synaptic?
[11:49] <cartman> crimsun: well I will report any success :-)
[11:49] <crimsun> liquidboy: try it (I haven't tried it since he rebuilt those packages)
[11:50] <crimsun> cartman: I run sid+experimental+hoary myself pinned to sid to make things easier
[11:50] <cartman> crimsun: well unless it has extreme borkage I will stick with hoary only
[11:51] <liquidboy> now it only comes up with the mozilla plugin, the custom and the xmmplayer one...
[11:52] <crimsun> liquidboy: there's no mplayer-386 or mplayer-586?
[11:52] <liquidboy> nope
[11:52] <crimsun> erg
[11:52] <crimsun> check ubuntu-bp.sf.net
[11:52] <crimsun> maybe someone still has an older 'new' package
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[11:53] <ls-a> how do i make a squid to start by itself when by any reason dropping down?
[11:53] <crimsun> liquidboy: you are running warty, correct?
[11:55] <Guerin> ls-a: by 'dropping down', do you mean the squid daemon dying?
[11:55] <liquidboy> crimsun: yes i am
[11:55] <crimsun> liquidboy: hmm, that's a tough situation for warty :/
[11:55] <liquidboy> nope, i added that line to my sources.list, reloaded synatpci did a search, still nothing :(
[11:56] <crimsun> liquidboy: yeah, best to disable the ubuntu-bp repo for now.
[11:56] <liquidboy> is there no way to get an asx file to play in xmms or something?
[11:56] <crimsun> liquidboy: there's the avi-xmms plugin
[11:57] <crimsun> liquidboy: http://cvs.xmms.org/cvsweb.cgi/avi-xmms/
[11:57] <liquidboy> but i need asx, isnt that a different thing?
[11:57] <crimsun> liquidboy: that's just an extension for streaming
[11:58] <liquidboy> oh right, but the files themselves will be mp3s eh? (well, i guess they must be, since thats what ppl upload_
[11:58] <crimsun> liquidboy: not necessarily mp3s
[11:58] <crimsun> liquidboy: asx is just a delivery format
[11:58] <cartman> anyone in hoary can do a dpkg -l|grep binutils
[11:58] <liquidboy> oh right
[11:58] <cartman> pls?
[11:59] <crimsun> cartman: 2.15-5ubuntu1
[11:59] <liquidboy> well, the format for this site is mp3... (mp3.com.au)
[11:59] <liquidboy> :P
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[11:59] <cartman> crimsun: and as --version
[11:59] <liquidboy> so the avi plugin for xmms might be able to handle asx?
[11:59] <cartman> pls? :)
[11:59] <crimsun> cartman: of what executable?
[11:59] <cartman> as
[11:59] <cartman> assembler
[11:59] <crimsun> oh, sorry
[11:59] <crimsun> missed it there
[12:00] <cartman> :-)
[12:00] <crimsun> 2.15
[12:00] <cartman> thanks
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[12:00] <siretart> can someone help me to understand the evolution crash? I just updated evolution-data-center, and now evolution crashes immediatly at startup :(
[12:00] <crimsun> cartman: the only difference from sid's -5 is the presence of a patch for amd64
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[12:00] <broodster> how do i create a database with mysql?
[12:01] <crimsun> broodster: you'll want to read the documentation
[12:01] <cartman> crimsun: I wonder if they are hj's latest binutils or not
[12:01] <liquidboy> crimsun, how do i install the stuff on that site?
[12:01] <cartman> but guess not
[12:01] <cartman> broodster: create DATABASE <name>;
[12:01] <ls-a> Guerin, yes
[12:02] <ls-a> Guerin, it is exiing for no obvious reason
[12:02] <ls-a> Guerin, and how do i make it restart after a crash?
[12:02] <crimsun> liquidboy: what site?
[12:02] <broodster> thanks
[12:02] <crimsun> cartman: from what I understand, yes
[12:02] <liquidboy> crimsun:  http://cvs.xmms.org/cvsweb.cgi/avi-xmms/
[12:02] <Guerin> ls-a: check your logs to see why it's dying; man init to find out how to respawn a service when it dies.
[12:02] <crimsun> liquidboy: check it out using cvs
[12:03] <cartman> crimsun: hmm those are numbered as 2.15.90.<foo>
[12:03] <cartman> hj's binutils that is
[12:03] <liquidboy> um, how do i do that?
[12:03] <crimsun> liquidboy: man cvs
[12:04] <liquidboy> man = manual?
[12:04] <ls-a> Guerin, thanks man
[12:06] <cartman> liquidboy: yes
[12:07] <liquidboy> um, is there a plain english manual somewhere around?
[12:08] <Guerin> haha
[12:08] <cartman> lol
[12:08] <cartman> liquidboy: google
[12:08] <liquidboy> yep
[12:08] <liquidboy> doing that already
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[12:08] <loogaroo> liquidboy: have you tried to install mplayer from source
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[12:08] <liquidboy> nope
[12:08] <liquidboy> havnt
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[12:09] <broodster> okay
[12:09] <Guerin> the mplayer source packages from marillat build cleanly on debian
[12:09] <broodster> how do i delete a database?
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[12:09] <GoneBoB> broodster: a database of what
[12:10] <liquidboy> um, ive got marillant enabled, but cant find any sources in synaptic...
[12:10] <broodster> in mysql
[12:10] <cartman> broodster: DROP DATABASE <name>;
[12:10] <broodster> ty
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[12:10] <Guerin> liquidboy: that's because you haven't got any source lines.
[12:10] <liquidboy> oh... source lines... yes... :P
[12:11] <Guerin> ...
[12:11] <liquidboy> i guess i should find out how to add those then...?
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[12:11] <liquidboy> guerin: srry, was supposed to give the impression that i had no idea what you were talking about...
[12:12] <Guerin> liquidboy: oh, it did.
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[12:12] <liquidboy> heheh, thats good then
[12:12] <stvn> any reported problems with this mornings version of evolution in hoary?
[12:13] <loogaroo> broodster: you will find mysql docu on www.mysql.com, and you search a good tool for managing mysql DBs look for phpmysql
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[12:13] <VirtualDarKness> phpMyAdmin ;)
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[12:14] <loogaroo> VirtualDarKness: oh sorry, thats right
[12:14] <liquidboy> guerin: so how do i go about getting some source lines?
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[12:17] <Guerin> liquidboy: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html
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[12:18] <liquidboy> guerin, do i use the bottom ome "for source, go here:..."?
[12:19] <Guerin> liquidboy: ok, before doing this you need to undertstand how a sources.list file works
[12:19] <liquidboy> ok...
[12:19] <broodster> thanks loogaroo
[12:19] <Guerin> liquidboy: and frankly, since I don't know if these sources build on ubuntu, I think now might not be the time.
[12:19] <liquidboy> yeah
[12:19] <liquidboy> maybe i'll wait till later
[12:19] <Guerin> liquidboy: wait until ubuntu has a package for it.
[12:19] <liquidboy> yeah
[12:20] <liquidboy> well, iwas also thinking short term (like it's almost 12:30 am)
[12:20] <liquidboy> but thanks for the help guyes, even if i didnt (seem to) get anywhere :P
[12:21] <Guerin> yeah, well, if you want to leanr: man apt-get, man sources.list are the places to start.
[12:21] <liquidboy> ok
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[12:23] <liquidboy> later
[12:27] <broodster> how do i find out my ip???
[12:27] <VirtualDarKness> http://www.whatismyip.com/
[12:29] <vIkSiT|brb> broodster, er. or you could use ifconfig
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[12:38] <RuffianSoldier> I did an apt-get upgrade and now I have Debian menu in the Gnome menu
[12:39] <VirtualDarKness> RuffianSoldier, hi ;)
[12:39] <RuffianSoldier> hi
[12:39] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
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[12:51] <tid-wave> hello.. what is the root password for the live cd ?
[12:53] <sladen> tid-wave: there isn't one
[12:53] <sladen> tid-wave: use 'sudo' eg;   sudo apt-get install foobar
[12:53] <tid-wave> can i have a root shell in it ?
[12:53] <Ribs> tid-wave, sudo -s -- innit
[12:53] <tid-wave> ok
[12:53] <tid-wave> thanks
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[12:53] <abelli> sladen: ciao
[12:53] <sladen> tid-wave: just type 'sudo' in front of each command you want to run as root
[12:53] <tid-wave> sudo su is ok for me :)
[12:53] <sladen> *sigh*
[12:54] <RuffianSoldier> sudo su-rocks
[12:54] <tid-wave> i got the ubuntu cd's from post office today
[12:54] <tid-wave> and now i'm playing with the live cd version
[12:54] <tid-wave> it's really nice
[12:55] <murtaza> how can i connect to network printer attached to winodwz server
[12:55] <RuffianSoldier> then install the normal version!
[12:56] <tid-wave> RuffianSoldier i don't have the time now, i am a debian user and i have soooo many packages on the box .. and ubuntu seems to be almost like debian .. a more friendly presentation.. anyway i might be wrong since i've been running it only for 15 mins :)
[12:56] <ml267> tid-wave: i found it interesting too
[12:56] <ml267> tid-wave: i just wonder how different the live cd (morphix) is from the installed version
[12:57] <tid-wave> what's the difference between debian and ubuntu ?
[12:57] <ml267> tid-wave: ubuntu sets its own release dates
[12:57] <murtaza> sladen: can u tell me how can i connect to network printer attach on windowz server
[12:58] <paulproteus> murtaza: Computer -> System Configuration -> Printing
[12:58] <tid-wave> ml267 i am using debian sid (unstable) so i don't care about releases :)
[12:58] <ml267> tid-wave: which means a different release cycle from debian, and different set of package versions that they choose to support
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[12:58] <paulproteus> Printer -> Add Printer ; Network Printer -> Windows Printer
[12:58] <paulproteus> murtaza: It should be "fairly straightforward" from there.
[12:58] <ml267> tid-wave: if you're on debian unstable, there's really no advantage to using ubuntu, imho
[12:58] <paulproteus> ml267: Except the *much* better stability.
[12:58] <murtaza> paulproteus: i have perofrmed the wizard
[12:58] <paulproteus> And organization.
[12:58] <tid-wave> my system is very stable
[12:59] <sladen> murtaza: go to the printer control panel and 'add' printer whilst the other machine is turned on
[12:59] <paulproteus> tid-wave: Not like "doesn't crash", like "always works the same way".
[12:59] <ml267> paulproteus: well, yeah, if tid-wave cared about released
[12:59] <tid-wave> 2 weeks uptime before rebooting to try live cd
[12:59] <murtaza> it shows the printer icon and also show status ready
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[12:59] <tid-wave> well ... i didn't have stability problems in debian .. anyway my box doesn't do real time important stuff :)
[01:00] <ml267> tid-wave: yeah, my stable server runs woody
[01:00] <ml267> tid-wave: i'm using ubuntu as a compromise between stability and having something up-to-date for desktop use
[01:00] <tid-wave> but i consider this distribution, ubuntu, to be nice.. i am going to spread it to my friends...
[01:01] <tid-wave> ml267 linux is stable
[01:01] <ml267> tid-wave: yeah, i got the ubuntu CD's for that purpose too
[01:01] <tid-wave> even if the packages are labeled 'unstable' :)
[01:01] <ml267> tid-wave: it's a little more polished than home-brewed debian CD's that I've made
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[01:01] <RuffianSoldier> goodnight all
[01:01] <tid-wave> all of the guys on my home LAN are crying because of instable and virused win xp boxes
[01:02] <ml267> tid-wave: when you get a chance, run the synaptic package manager, do the dist-upgrade thing
[01:02] <tid-wave> ml267 i know synaptic :)
[01:02] <tid-wave> dist-upgrade for ubuntu ?
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[01:02] <ml267> tid-wave: i noticed that it held back upgrades
[01:03] <murtaza> how can i delete the printers which i have attached
[01:03] <ml267> tid-wave: when I was using apt-get install to get some packages
[01:03] <tid-wave> so are there more branches of this distribution ?
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[01:03] <ml267> tid-wave: afaik, this is the first released version (warty warthog)
[01:04] <Adrenal> i just installed the new thunderbird from an installer downloaded from mozilla. It installed fine, but how do i import my old mail?
[01:04] <ml267> tid-wave: i would guess they have their own testing branch like debian, but it's not really advertised
[01:04] <ml267> Adrenal: import from?
[01:05] <Adrenal> the old, warty installed thunderbird
[01:05] <tid-wave> i wonder if there is any audio file in ubuntu
[01:05] <tid-wave> some melody
[01:05] <Adrenal> tid-wave, the startup?
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[01:06] <Adrenal> and, i hope your name is not a blatant attempt to garner attention for yourself from the recent tradegy
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[01:06] <phosphorgreen> hi every1
[01:06] <ml267> Adrenal: i haven't used thunderbird... but doesn't it have its own mail import function?
[01:06] <Adrenal> i tried that
[01:06] <ml267> Adrenal: otherwise, I'd check its release notes
[01:06] <Adrenal> but the new one won't detect the old one
[01:06] <Adrenal> and visa versa
[01:06] <Adrenal> release notes, of course
[01:06] <Adrenal> thanks, and later
[01:07] <Adrenal> have a happy new year
[01:07] <phosphorgreen> does anyone know if it is possible to install warty/hoary onto a floppy/cd less laptop (just network and hard drive)
[01:07] <ml267> usb drive
[01:07] <phosphorgreen> not an option unfortunately
[01:07] <phosphorgreen> system wont boot from usb
[01:08] <ml267> what's on the system currently?
[01:08] <phosphorgreen> i installed debian sarge over an nfs connection
[01:08] <phosphorgreen> debian sarge
[01:08] <ml267> why ubuntu?
[01:08] <paulproteus> phosphorgreen: Yes.  You can install Warty by dist-upgrading from Debian Woody.
[01:09] <phosphorgreen> because i hope it will fix a few things that my laptop dislikes in sarge
[01:09] <fred> Hi; does anyone know if I can run the hoary bootsplash on the radeonfb instead of vesafb ?
[01:09] <paulproteus> From Sarge isn't recommended, as I understand.
[01:09] <paulproteus> Have never tried it myself.
[01:09] <phosphorgreen> paulproteus: i am using sarge, will that be a problem
[01:09] <phosphorgreen> yes thats what they say
[01:10] <ml267> paulproteus: doesn't ubuntu have some custom install scripts that wouldn't be run from a simple dist upgrade?
[01:10] <paulproteus> phosphorgreen: Well, if you're set on starting from sarge, I recommend removing nearly everything.
[01:10] <paulproteus> ml267: Nothing that's a big deal.  In Debian(-based distros), most install stuff is run from pre-install scripts in packages.
[01:10] <paulproteus> phosphorgreen: "Good luck, and tell me if it works." ;)
[01:11] <phosphorgreen> heh i will
[01:11] <phosphorgreen> i was just hoping that i could install it cleanly
[01:11] <phosphorgreen> rather than upgrade
[01:11] <ml267> paulproteus: like i noticed some nice device detection.. which I'm not sure if pure debian?
[01:11] <tid-wave> there is no plugin to load MP3 file
[01:11] <tid-wave> lol
[01:11] <paulproteus> phosphorgreen: There *is* the net-install route.
[01:11] <paulproteus> tid-wave: See RestrictedFormats on the wiki.
[01:11] <phosphorgreen> where? i havent seen it
[01:11] <paulproteus> tid-wave: (Short answer: "There is.  You just have to install it.")
[01:11] <paulproteus> phosphorgreen: It's on the wiki, somewhere.
[01:11] <tid-wave> paulproteus how do i install it ?
[01:12] <paulproteus> Search for net or network install.
[01:12] <ml267> paulproteus: is restricted == contrib?
[01:12] <paulproteus> tid-wave: It's on that wiki page.
[01:12] <tid-wave> ok
[01:12] <tid-wave> thanks
[01:13] <siretart> is evolution/hoary installable ATM?
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[01:15] <phosphorgreen> siretart: i upgraded to hoary on a devel box last week, seemed fine, didnt do much with it though
[01:15] <siretart> phosphorgreen: I'm missing libegroupwise1.2-0, evolution is depending on that lib, but it's not available
[01:15] <siretart> ?1
[01:16] <fred> does anyone know how I can get the usplash thing working on my ATI 9200 mobility ?
[01:16] <phosphorgreen> hmmm. didn't have that problem
[01:16] <phosphorgreen> evo worked fine
[01:17] <phosphorgreen> but it was an upgrade from warty
[01:20] <siretart> ah, evolution has been build against libegroupwise1.2-0 but libegroupwise1.2-1 is available in the archive
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[01:23] <ftwig> hi everybody - how do I stop the file browser spawning a new window every time I click on a folder and how do I get a locatin bar so I can just type the path.
[01:26] <Lathiat> ftwig: under desktop preferences, file management
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[01:28] <rituraj> running ubuntu at home
[01:28] <rituraj> the problem is with multimedia tools
[01:29] <rituraj> i cannot run .dat with totem
[01:29] <rituraj> it fails for some "unknown reason"
[01:29] <rituraj> thats the error message
[01:29] <rituraj> Rhythmbox fails to run mp3
[01:29] <rituraj> where can i find those plugins on ubuntu
[01:29] <rituraj> and how to get them working
[01:30] <wezzer-> rituraj: type sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:30] <wezzer-> in console
[01:30] <rituraj> ok
[01:30] <wezzer-> that should fix that problem with rhytmbox and mp3-files
[01:30] <rituraj> that will solve both of above probs?...t
[01:30] <rituraj> ah ok
[01:31] <rituraj> and abt totem -dat
[01:31] <wezzer-> I'm afraid I can't help you with that :(
[01:31] <rituraj> well anyways thanks for help :)
[01:32] <wezzer-> you're welcome :(
[01:32] <wezzer-> *:)
[01:32] <wezzer-> whoops
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[01:37] <biezt> does ubuntu autodetect when i plug my internet cable in ?
[01:37] <muempf> hello
[01:37] <cat_and_fox> hia all. i've installed sun's JRE into /opt/java but apps cant see it. where do i set the environment variables or links so that all apps look here for a jre?(ie azureus)
[01:37] <muempf> can someone help me with a x-server problem
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[01:38] <sky_HALud> greetings
[01:38] <rituraj> muempf:whats the prob
[01:39] <sky_HALud> I have a problem installing warty on my amd64 with sata raid
[01:39] <rituraj> ok sky whats the prob cause i will be doing that tomm
[01:39] <rituraj> i also have a new AMD64 with SATA
[01:40] <sky_HALud> warty sees my drives
[01:40] <rituraj> havent installed Ubuntu yet but downloaded
[01:40] <rituraj> ok
[01:40] <sky_HALud> it just cannot see the raid 0 array
[01:40] <muempf> x-server doesn start and after prompting an error, i have a very sallow console on tty1
[01:40] <biezt> does ubuntu auto detect a new internet connection ?
[01:41] <rituraj> sky:so you are configuring s/w raid?
[01:41] <muempf> the x-config and the error.log are there: http://nopaste.php-q.net/105022 and http://nopaste.php-q.net/105023
[01:41] <rituraj> muempf:ok wait
[01:41] <muempf> thx
[01:42] <xukun> does anybody know a software which I can use for speedreading onder linux?
[01:42] <sky_HALud> rituraj, I guess so
[01:42] <xukun> you have things like WinBlit for windows
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[01:43] <rituraj> muempf: login through command mode
[01:43] <rituraj> and run xf86config
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[01:44] <muempf> i cant
[01:44] <rituraj> ?? dont you get login prompt
[01:44] <biezt> plz help me !! can i install ubuntu and then plug internet in ? and it will autodetect ?
[01:44] <rituraj> on command mode..black screen
[01:44] <rituraj> sky:are you tere
[01:45] <rituraj> sky: can you tell me exactly at which point the installation fails....
[01:45] <muempf> i have a login prompt, but very sallow
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[01:45] <rituraj> sallow?
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[01:45] <sky_HALud> rituraj, when I'm at the part with choosing the install partition
[01:45] <rituraj> sorry i dont get you
[01:46] <sky_HALud> at that point the install sees the two sata drvies
[01:46] <sky_HALud> but not the array
[01:46] <rituraj> sky: ok
[01:46] <rituraj> sky: what is your motherboard and chipset
[01:47] <sky_HALud> rituraj, the mb is abit av8 with via k8t800 pro
[01:47] <muempf> i can see hardly any output on tty1
[01:47] <sky_HALud> and the raid chip is via vt8237
[01:47] <rituraj> try upating your BIOS to the latest one from their site
[01:48] <rituraj> muempf: try ALT+F1
[01:48] <sky_HALud> rituraj, thanks. I'll try that
[01:48] <biezt> hmmm how can i burn an iso, cuz nero burns it as a iso to cd-drive :S
[01:48] <muempf> no result also with str-alt-f1
[01:48] <rituraj> sky: typically the boards coming with AMD64 are of older BIOS version known to be cauing trouble with Linux
[01:49] <rituraj> muempf: try booting with single user mode
[01:49] <sky_HALud> got it
[01:49] <sky_HALud> I'll do that
[01:49] <biezt> plz help me so i can install ubuntu !!
[01:50] <rituraj> biezt: whats the problem
[01:50] <biezt> does nero automatically burns an iso as the cd-version ?
[01:51] <rituraj> bietz: i am not sure wheather Ubuntu will autodetect the internet ..but you can make it work!
[01:51] <biezt> and does ubuntu auto-detect internet when i plug it in
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[01:51] <biezt> well i want to stay here for support, but i aint got a router yet. so i have to keep plugging my cable between 2 cd'ss
[01:52] <jolg> biezt: I haven't used nero for a looong time. But I think you can choose something like "burn cd from iso/image" or something in the menu...
[01:52] <muempf> now i have bootet in single user mode (recovery mode)
[01:52] <rituraj> bietz: i am sorry i cant help you right now on that ..havent used Ubuntu that much for those purposes
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[01:52] <rituraj> muempf: well do u get the login prompt now
[01:53] <siretart> evolution does not satisfy build dependencies in hoary either :(
[01:54] <biezt> and how do i install something on linux, cuz i know nothing ... which file to run :P
[01:54] <rituraj> biezt does nero automatically burns an iso as the cd-version ?---from what i understand..yes it does create a BOOTABLE when you burn iso
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[01:54] <rituraj> hey siretart: is hoary available for download?
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[01:56] <siretart> rituraj: well, looking at the ftp servers, I would say yes
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[01:59] <rituraj> i can find only warty on ftp
[01:59] <emanuelez> hello everybody
[01:59] <rituraj> can you pls tell me URL
[01:59] <rituraj> hi emanu
[01:59] <rituraj> hows u
[01:59] <siretart> rituraj: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/
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[02:00] <emanuelez> i have a canon lbp 1120 printer. canon japan has released GPL linux drivers which is very useful cause it's a winprinter. who should i contact to create deb packages of these drivers?
[02:01] <howard> does anyone know why I can't return back to windows? my windows is in another partition but in the same drive
[02:01] <Lathiat> howard: when booting, press escape, and you can choose windows
[02:01] <Lathiat> howard: it counts down for 3 seconds
[02:01] <Lathiat> howard: and says press escape to see menu
[02:02] <howard> Lathiat: yeah, I did that
[02:02] <Lathiat> and what hapened?
[02:02] <howard> Lathiat: but it keeps saying error
[02:02] <Lathiat> what error
[02:02] <aufmuempfiger> i had  the same problem
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[02:02] <aufmuempfiger> i have bootet knoppix
[02:03] <siretart> emanuelez: perhaps a debian or ubuntu developer with access to such hardware. without hardware its impossible to test the package.
[02:03] <howard> it says something about the device
[02:03] <Lathiat> howard: If you can write down the exact error, then come back and let me know what it is, then I can help you
[02:04] <howard> I changed the hd(0,0) things to like, ,1 ,2 ,3 ,4 ,5 and it stil didn't work
[02:04] <howard> okay brb
[02:04] <mjt> does ubuntu support supermount? (it seems it's not maintained anymore.. again)
[02:04] <lizdeika> it does "supermount" in other way
[02:05] <rituraj> what is supermount?
[02:05] <rituraj> never heard
[02:05] <mjt> in "other way" - which is it?
[02:05] <lizdeika> your cds, floppys, usb sticks will automagically mounted :)
[02:05] <mjt> rituraj: supermount-ng.sourceforge.net
[02:05] <lizdeika> *will be
[02:05] <rituraj> ah autofs!!!
[02:06] <mjt> supermount != autofs
[02:06] <rituraj> umm well i will look at the link
[02:07] <mjt> automount (autofs whatever) has one problem: i want to be able to eject the device (cdrom) without waiting for the umount (inactivity) timeout
[02:08] <mjt> i tried to find in kernel whenever it's possible to catch insert/remove events somehow.. but can't find the place
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[02:08] <mjt> (remove = when you press "eject" button etc)
[02:09] <mjt> (it'd be nice (i think) to pass that events via hotplug mechanism, btw... and acpi events too)
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[02:10] <howard> okay, back
[02:10] <howard> it said
[02:10] <howard> root hd(0,1)
[02:10] <howard> filesystem type unknown, partition type 0xf makeactive
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[02:11] <howard> Error 12: Invalid device requested
[02:11] <olimar> Hi all are there any translatable modules in Ubuntu which have to be translated extra?
[02:11] <mjt> supermount does not lock the door (only on write, and even that is for only short duration), while autofs (which is just a "wrapper" around real mount) does.  and.. supermount needs some changes to work with 2.6.10 (eg vfs_permission() is gone in 2.6.10)
[02:12] <olimar> I am the gnome arabic translation coordinator and I want to contribute to Ubuntu cz it's so great if there is any thing in that regard
[02:12] <rituraj> whats the difference in autofs and supermount
[02:12] <rituraj> ?
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[02:13] <howard> anyone know why my computer won't load windows? with the error I mentioned?
[02:13] <mjt> autofs does mount() when you access the path, and umount() after some inactivity timeout (when you don't use the device for some time).  supermount "keeps" it mounted all the time, without locking the door
[02:14] <rituraj> i c
[02:14] <emanuelez> siretart: just made a RFP request to debian mantainers
[02:15] <rituraj> i read on some debian maillist just now that supermount clashes with magicdev
[02:15] <mjt> in short, supermount behaves exactly like in dos/windows (you can freely insert/remove media at any time but when actually doing writes)
[02:15] <rituraj> so we  one needs to remove magicdev if supermount has to work!
[02:15] <mjt> looks like it's my turn to ask question... what's magicdev? :)
[02:15] <rituraj> brb
[02:16] <mjt> aha.. another thing around the same.
[02:17] <mjt> hell.. polling again.. WHY?!?!  Kernel knows when the disk is inserted/ejected in most cases....
[02:18] <howard> anyone know how to get back to windows
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[02:19] <mjt> what's the problem howard?
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[02:19] <howard> at startup
[02:19] <howard> I pressed esc
[02:19] <howard> to see the menu with the OS I have
[02:19] <howard> when I select windows and press enter
[02:19] <howard> an error popped up
[02:20] <howard> roo hd(9,0)
[02:20] <howard> whoops Imeant
[02:20] <howard> root hd(0,1)
[02:20] <howard> Filesystem type unknown, pratition type 0xf makeactive
[02:20] <e-Jah> re
[02:20] <howard> Error 12: Invalid device requested
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[02:20] <mjt> howard: can you load linux?
[02:21] <howard> I'm on linux lol
[02:21] <howard> I can't load windows
[02:21] <mjt> it's on this machine, right?
[02:21] <howard> yeah
[02:21] <howard> I have windows on another partition
[02:21] <howard> but is in the same hard disk drive as my linux
[02:22] <mjt> howard: please /msg me what your cfdisk says about the partition layout
[02:22] <mjt> (just run cfdisk (as root) and cut-n-paste the partitions)
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[02:24] <siretart> anyone using pbuilder on hoary?
[02:24] <zelphior> I have a quick question regarding the ubuntu live cd
[02:24] <zelphior> what is the root password?
[02:25] <wezzer-> I don't think there is a password for root
[02:25] <zelphior> there is one
[02:25] <wezzer-> really?
[02:25] <zelphior> tried su, got password prompt
[02:25] <howard> okay
[02:25] <wezzer-> well, then I don't know
[02:25] <siretart> Talliesin: there is no root password. use "sudo -s" for a root shell
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[02:25] <wezzer-> zelphior: ach, no
[02:25] <siretart> argl
[02:26] <wezzer-> that doesn't mean that there is one
[02:26] <siretart> zelphior: there is no root password. use "sudo -s" for a root shell
[02:26] <zelphior> thanks
[02:26] <zelphior> tried su and then just enter at password prompt and that didn't work
[02:26] <Talliesin> heh? wha? ah misdirection
[02:26] <zelphior> sudo -s works
[02:26] <zelphior> thanks
[02:27] <howard>  hda1        Boot        Primary   Linux ext3                       27266.39
[02:27] <howard>     hda5        NC          Logical   NTFS             []               52749.14
[02:27] <rituraj> can anyone tell me why does my Ubuntu does not play .dat files...says "unknown reason"
[02:27] <mjt> howard: is it all?!
[02:28] <sobralense> Im using warty packages , may I use some debian .deb too?
[02:28] <mjt> howard: where are hda2, hda3 -- other primary partitions?
[02:28] <howard> mjt: I dunno..that's all
[02:28] <remix_tj> sobralense: yes
[02:28] <mjt> hmm
[02:29] <rituraj> grub entry for Windows is wrong i think howard u said its (hd0,1) ...shud be (hd0,4)
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[02:29] <mjt> howard: do you remember where was your windows befoer? did you have C: and D:?
[02:29] <howard> I tried that
[02:29] <howard> it was in C:
[02:30] <sobralense> I'd like ubuntu use lilo =(
[02:30] <howard> rituraj: I tried 0,1 ,2 ,3 ,4 ,5
[02:30] <sobralense> I hate grub
[02:30] <rituraj> no dont try
[02:30] <rituraj> (hd0,4) is the correct entry
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[02:31] <howard> in the menu.lst?
[02:31] <rituraj> yep
[02:31] <howard> I think in my menu.lst..it says hd(0,4)
[02:31] <Varg_> a) Why didn't the ubuntu installer ask me for a root passwd and b) what is the freaking default?
[02:31] <howard> instead of (hd0,4)
[02:31] <rituraj> do you have chainloader + statement in that windws section
[02:31] <howard> yeah
[02:31] <howard> dunno about the statement
[02:31] <howard> but chainloader, yes
[02:32] <mjt> howard: i think you're lost
[02:32] <mjt> win CANNOT be in secondary partition
[02:32] <mjt> or, that to say: it can't BOOT from secondary partition
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[02:33] <howard> mjt: oh...crap
[02:33] <mjt> in order for it to boot, ther MUST be at least one primary partition with dos/win filesystem
[02:33] <rituraj> I think hd(0,4) is the WRONG entry
[02:33] <rituraj> should be (hd0,4)
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[02:33] <howard> rituraj: yeah, I tried (hd0,4)
[02:33] <howard> rituraj: still didn't work
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[02:34] <howard> mjt: so i gotta reinstall my whole system? and make windows my first partition?
[02:34] <rituraj> mjt: you may be right thats what i feel too....BUT he says he was able to use it befoe
[02:34] <howard> wait, I used it before
[02:34] <howard> when I had no linux
[02:34] <mjt> hd4,0 is wrong here: there's either no such partition or it's extended partition
[02:34] <rituraj> ahhhhh
[02:34] <rituraj> :)
[02:34] <mjt> 0.4 even
[02:34] <howard> so what should I do now?
[02:35] <rituraj> mjt: /dev/hda5....what will this partition be called in grub if not (hd0,4) ??
[02:35] <mjt> in any way: neither grub nor any other similar boot loader CAN NOT boot win from extended partition
[02:35] <howard> reformat my hdd, make 2 partitions, where the first partition is windows and 2nd is liunux?
[02:35] <rituraj> right
[02:35] <mjt> howard: are you sure you had only C: drive?
[02:35] <mjt> (in win)
[02:36] <mjt> looking at the layout i don't think it was the case
[02:36] <howard> mjt: I only had C: drive in win because I didn't have linux before, and I only had one partition back then
[02:36] <howard> mjt: I reformated my whole HDD
[02:36] <ingful> why is no one in #ubuntu.de ?
[02:36] <howard> mjt: and installed linux and windows
[02:36] <howard> mjt: there's also another problem
[02:37] <howard> mjt: I tried reformating my windows by booting my windows disc
[02:37] <howard> mjt: but when it says scanning hard disk configuration, it goes to a black screen and does nothing
[02:37] <mjt> i can't say anything about this one
[02:37] <howard> mjt: mm...
[02:38] <mjt> if there's nothing to lose in your win partition, just remove it now,
[02:38] <howard> mjt: how can I reformat my HDD and do everything again?
[02:38] <howard> mjt: where do I remove it
[02:38] <mjt> create new partition with appropriate type (ntfs) using cfdisk, and install win to it
[02:38] <mjt> cfdisk does it all
[02:39] <mjt> create *primary* partition (it
[02:39] <howard> ohh okay
[02:39] <mjt> (it'll be hda2)
[02:39] <howard> primary partition for windows
[02:39] <howard> and logical for linux?
[02:39] <rituraj> i would rather suggest to use windows fdisk to create a partition
[02:39] <mjt> heh
[02:39] <rituraj> cfdisk/fdisk of linux does not always work well with windows
[02:39] <mjt> i know what cfdisk will do. but i don't know what win tool will do
[02:39] <mjt> and i don't know how it will mess things up
[02:40] <rituraj> :) windows does not know of alien things manier times and ehaves badly
[02:40] <mjt> for example the current situation (win on *extended* partition) - how it happened?
[02:41] <howard> sigh lol
[02:41] <sobralense> I think should be a ubuntu-br channel .. =P
[02:41] <mjt> just one thing to remember: only primary partitions are bootable, and if you have extended partition, you only have 3 primary ones.
[02:41] <howard> okay
[02:41] <mjt> and another: win setup will "correct" the partition table, making linux unbootable
[02:41] <howard> ah..
[02:41] <howard> what should I do then
[02:42] <mjt> so you will have to boot from linux cd and reinstall grub
[02:42] <howard> everytime I want to use linux?
[02:42] <mjt> no, every time you install windows
[02:42] <howard> oh
[02:42] <rituraj> mjt : you are right but one thing..a bootable partition need not necessarily be a primary one
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[02:43] <mjt> rituraj: if you're expirienced enouth to be able to boot your OS from extended partition, that's ok.  But it isn't.. simple.
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[02:44] <howard> linux CAN boot from an extended partition though right?
[02:44] <mjt> i think lilo can boot linux from extended partition
[02:44] <rituraj> yes Howard
[02:44] <mjt> linux can't "boot" itself
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[02:45] <mjt> it's the linux loaded (lilo, grub, ...) who reads the kernel from disk (from whatever place it is) and passes control to it
[02:45] <mjt> loader even
[02:45] <howard> o
[02:45] <mjt> the root filesystem can be anywhere you like
[02:45] <mjt> what matters is where your loader is
[02:46] <da_bon_bon> how do i get a "My computer" icon ? on desktop in KDE ? on FC3 ?
[02:46] <mjt> i think both grub and lilo can load stuff from any place on disk
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[02:46] <wezzer-> da_bon_bon: I think this is the wrong channel to ask such a question
[02:46] <mjt> but grub itself have to be on the primary partition for bios to load it
[02:46] <da_bon_bon> wezzer-: i wanted to know whether anyone knows...
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[02:47] <wezzer-> da_bon_bon: well, I don't know and this is ubuntu channel and ubuntu uses gnome, so... :)
[02:47] <zeedo> da_bon_bon: youd have more luck in a kde or fedora channel
[02:48] <da_bon_bon> oh ok.
[02:48] <nevyn> da_bon_bon: just drag it from wherever it is.
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[02:49] <howard> mjt: this is pretty confusing
[02:49] <da_bon_bon> nevyn: i mean, i gnome i get it not kde
[02:49] <cartman> how can I force installation of non-authenticated apps?
[02:49] <cartman> I enter "y" but it doesn't seem to understand it
[02:50] <nevyn> is there any way to get a file selector in gtk that doesn't suck rocks? ie something that let's you type a filename without stupid CTRL-L tricks
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[02:50] <mjt> howard: what is confusing?
[02:50] <nevyn> and then when you type a filename doesnt' go there in the tree view and wait for you to hit ok.
[02:51] <howard> mjt: do I just use cfdisk now?
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[02:52] <mon> hi, i was taking a look at the Rosetta translation site, and i noticed there is "Dutch" and "Dutch Netherlands"
[02:52] <mjt> howard: yes. delete your win partition, create new *primary* one (hit 't' to set its type to ntfs), reboot and install windows to it
[02:52] <mon> whats the difference?
[02:52] <NixerX> da_bon_bon, did you want the Icon for KDE or gnome?
[02:52] <howard> mjt: okay, thanks alot
[02:52] <da_bon_bon> NixerX: KDE under FC3
[02:52] <mjt> howard: i think it is possible to "convert" your existing partition to primary,
[02:53] <mjt> howard: but i'm not sure win will boot after that
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[02:53] <NixerX> da_bon_bon, Are you running Fedora?
[02:53] <howard> mjt: o well, I made a new one already lol
[02:53] <mjt> howard: and keep you linux cd handy -- you will have to reinstall grub
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[02:54] <howard> mjt: okay
[02:54] <howard> mjt: and umm, do I leave my linux as primary too?
[02:54] <mjt> yes definitely
[02:54] <howard> mjt: so I'll have two primary
[02:54] <howard> mjt: okay cool
[02:54] <mjt> unless you want to reinstall it too ;)
[02:55] <mjt> there may be up to 4 primary partitions
[02:55] <howard> mjt: okay cool
[02:55] <mjt> (one of them may be "extended", to contain more "subpartitions")
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[02:55] <howard> mjt: ohh
[02:56] <howard> mjt: hey, how exactly do I JUST install grub after I install windows?
[02:56] <mjt> hehe
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[02:57] <mjt> hmm
[02:57] <charleyramm>  Do you mean you have ubuntu installed, and windows broke your bootloader?
[02:57] <mjt> i assume grub on ubuntu is installed into the partition, not into mbr, right?
[02:57] <mjt> charleyramm: not yet, but it will soon ;)
[02:58] <charleyramm> But you want to install grub first?
[02:58] <mjt> is it sufficient to just mark linux partition as active after (re)installing windows?
[02:58] <mjt> (ie to restore it back, that is)
[02:59] <nevyn> windows will probably stomp on grub
[02:59] <mjt> why?
[02:59] <charleyramm> I'm not sure. If grub is gone, you need to somehow run grub-install. With a live cd maybe.
[02:59] <howard> so when my windows break my bootloader for ubuntu, I just insert my linux cd in again and reinstall linux?
[02:59] <mjt> if grub is on linux partition (as opposed to be on mbr) win will not touch it
[03:00] <mjt> howard: no, you will have to restore just the loader, nothing more
[03:00] <howard> how do I check if my grub is on linux partition or not?
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[03:00] <howard> mjt: is there an option at the boot up from the disc to restore just the loader?
[03:00] <mjt> which disc?
[03:00] <mjt> the cdrom?
[03:00] <howard> linux disc
[03:00] <howard> yeah
[03:00] <grepper> I notice devfs is enabled in ubuntu kernel - do I need to enable this for automounting of usb-storage  devices?  I'm trying to figure out why the kernel I compiled doesn't support this anymore.
[03:01] <sjoerd> grepper: you need udev for the automounting stuff
[03:01] <scoon> any hoary users with a broken evolution ?
[03:01] <mjt> i dunno: i don't know where ubuntu places the boot loader (mbr vs the linux partition).  Anyone can answer to this trivial question?
[03:02] <spikeb> mbr
[03:02] <grepper> sjoerd, yep, I have all that, I'm talking about the kernel
[03:02] <sjoerd> grepper: thus you don't need devfs for automounting
[03:02] <spikeb> mjt, mbr by default
[03:02] <grepper> or is there a udev option in kernel I missed ?
[03:02] <sjoerd> it's probably just for the initrd
[03:02] <grepper> I thought it was userspace
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[03:02] <sjoerd> grepper: no udev is pure userspace, although you need hotpug support in the kerenl for it
[03:02] <charleyramm> Do we have  a #flood channel, for long configs, errors, etc?
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[03:03] <spikeb> yes
[03:03] <spikeb> plus, pastebin.com
[03:03] <cartman> crimsun: sid->hoary went very well
[03:03] <grepper> sjoerd, well, its the same install, but change kernel and it no longer works, so I must have left something out
[03:03] <grepper> I went through menuconfig carefully and couldn't see what it could be
[03:04] <ogra> hi guys....
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[03:04] <howard> mjt: to make it more simple, can I just install windows now, and then reinstall linux after that so it fixes the load up?
[03:04] <spikeb> howard, yeah
[03:04] <sjoerd> grepper: what does your .xession-errors say if you plug in a device ?
[03:04] <ogra> everybody who wants to try out a cool gnome burning app, may grab a graveman package here: http://www.grawert.net/graveman_0.2-ubuntu1_i386.deb
[03:04] <howard> spikeb: sweet, thanks
[03:04] <mjt> 1) install, 2) reinstall, 3) repeat from step 1.  Ugh.
[03:04] <grepper> sjoerd, heh, I was just looking there to paste
[03:04] <spikeb> ogra, what are the deps?
[03:04] <grepper> libhal.c 840 : Error sending msg: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_usb_device_4cb_116_1000_-1_Y-388^^^^^030104WFC00002012478_0
[03:04] <sjoerd> grepper: ignore that one
[03:05] <ogra> spikeb: deps ?
[03:05] <spikeb> ogra, dependancies
[03:05] <howard> mjt: so install windows and then reinstall linux, that works yeah?
[03:05] <sjoerd> ogra: any url with screenshots and stuff ?
[03:05] <ogra> http://scresto.site.voila.fr/gravemanuk.html
[03:05] <mjt> howard: yes, until you will (re)install win again.
[03:05] <grepper> I don't see anything else, except "Error: No running window found"
[03:05] <howard> mjt: lol, yeah
[03:05] <howard> mjt thanks alot
[03:05] <howard> mjt: I'm gonna try it now
[03:06] <mjt> howard: what I'd suggest you is to install grub *now*, to the partition, and just
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[03:06] <howard> mjt how do I do that?
[03:06] <mjt> .. change active partition to linux after reinstallin win
[03:06] <ogra> spikeb: libid3tag ,libogg ,libvorbis ,cdrtools, sox  and the gtk libs indeed
[03:06] <spikeb> ahh cool
[03:06] <spikeb> all stuff i have
[03:06] <howard> mjt: how do I do that?
[03:06] <ogra> i will move it to my repo today and also build ppc packages
[03:07] <ogra> its the most promising one ive seen so far
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[03:07] <spikeb> hmm
[03:08] <sjoerd> although i really like the n-c-b setup of things, but it needs some improvement
[03:08] <spikeb> there's no menu entry
[03:08] <grepper> sjoerd, any ideas of what I might have left out ?
[03:08] <sjoerd> grepper: dunno, is the device for it actually created ?
[03:08] <ogra> spikeb: nope, not yet, i'll patch a .desktop file in....
[03:08] <spikeb> I found a bug :P
[03:08] <spikeb> ogra, ok cool
[03:08] <ogra> spikeb: run it with the command graveman
[03:09] <spikeb> yeah i ran it, i was making observations of what i saw :)
[03:09] <ogra> i just saw it 15mins ago.....
[03:09] <grepper> sjoerd, its mountable manually, so hotplug is working fine
[03:09] <mon> hi, i was taking a look at the Rosetta translation site, and i noticed there is "Dutch" and "Dutch Netherlands". what's the difference, why translate things twice?
[03:09] <spikeb> (looks very nice)
[03:09] <ogra> yep
[03:09] <grepper> sjoerd, just no automount or nautilus window
[03:10] <sjoerd> grepper: yeah, but we most start at some point to check out whats going wrong :)
[03:10] <sjoerd> grepper: does the volume show up in the device manager
[03:10] <grepper> sec
[03:11] <scoon> any hoary users with a working evolution ?
[03:11] <nakee> mon maybe one is belgian or some other sort of dutch speaking country?
[03:11] <nakee> like surinam or the like
[03:11] <grepper> sjoerd, yes, it shows up
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[03:11] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o!
[03:12] <sjoerd> grepper: is this warty or hoary btw
[03:12] <biezt> i just want to say : ubuntu rules, cuz the installation was ez
[03:12] <grepper> sjoerd, warty
[03:12] <biezt> is there an ftp client in ubuntu installed ?
[03:12] <cartman> biezt: lftp
[03:13] <grepper> and ftp
[03:13] <sjoerd> grepper: but does it actually show up as a volume ? thus block.is_volume == true ?
[03:13] <grepper> sec :)
[03:13] <sjoerd> grepper: sorry for asking possibly obvious things, but i need to know really sure :)
[03:13] <grepper> sjoerd, I keep unplugging the camera to save battery - sec :)
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[03:15] <mjt> ok, so why ubuntu installs grub into mbr?
[03:15] <NetSKaVeN> I'm trying to modify Ubuntu live CD, can anyone help me?
[03:15] <grepper> sjoerd, this is in device manager under advanced for the camera line ?
[03:16] <NetSKaVeN> I made all the work but I can't make the final ISO
[03:16] <sjoerd> grepper: well you should see your camera usb device and them some children below it
[03:17] <sjoerd> grepper: and one of the leaves should have block.is_volume in the advanced tab
[03:17] <kipod> i resive this massage on bootup ": Fatal: error inserting shpchp " what can i do about it ?
[03:17] <biezt> hmmm can't find lftp :O
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[03:18] <loz> has anyone here managed to sort out a nfs server on ubuntu?  I have rpc errors..
[03:18] <nakee> is there a guide how to install ubuntu through the network?
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[03:19] <jmob> nakee: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto
[03:19] <grepper> sjoerd, no, I don't see that string anywhere
[03:19] <nakee> jmob thanks
[03:19] <sjoerd> grepper: which kernel did you compile and which version of hal is that (thus which version of hal does warty have)
[03:20] <kipod> NM  i solved the problem thanks ppl
[03:20] <grepper> sjoerd, kernel 2.6.10  and 0.2.98-1ubuntu
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[03:23] <mon> nakee: belgium is mentioned as well, just once though
[03:23] <mon> nakee: would be a waste of time if things are double translated for some vague reason i think
[03:24] <biezt> so gftp is in gzip, where can i down this ?
[03:24] <sjoerd> grepper: that combination won't work.. you need either a newer hal or an older kernel
[03:24] <grepper> sjoerd, oops, I just found that string way down, not in usb where I was looking - there is another entry for the camera under my via chip
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[03:25] <aufmuempfiger> hello
[03:25] <rattboi> yo!
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[03:25] <grepper> sjoerd:  block.is_volume 1 (0x1)
[03:25] <aufmuempfiger> having problems to start x on new installation
[03:25] <Gerrath> I performed an update on my Ubuntu installation and for what ever reason the post configuration did not complete.  The computer was shut down (not by me) before I could see the errors.  This would normally not be an issue but for some reason the initrd.img was deleted and a new one was not installed so now the system will not boot.
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[03:26] <grepper> a whole bunch of volume child entries
[03:26] <sjoerd> grepper: that are your harddisks and stuff probably
[03:26] <sjoerd> grepper: anyway you need at least hal >= 0.4.2 if you want it to work correctly with 2.6.10
[03:26] <Gerrath> I tried running from the live distro and finishing the post configuration (chroot, dpkg --configure -a) but I get a /dev/null resitriction since I'm running off the live distro.
[03:26] <unperson> A question for people accessing samba shares with their ubuntu desktop:  How do you mount your samba shares?
[03:26] <Gerrath> any suggestions?
[03:27] <aufmuempfiger> could someone take a look there: http://nopaste.php-q.net/105022 and http://nopaste.php-q.net/105023
[03:27] <NixerX> Gerrath, how dose your menu.lst look?
[03:27] <grepper> sjoerd, oops, fujitsu vs fugi  , sorry too early
[03:27] <grepper> sjoerd, thanks, that gives me some place to start investigating  :)
[03:27] <grepper> I'll try a newer hal
[03:27] <Gerrath> it has the link to the kernel and the initrd (which is no longer there).
[03:27] <mon> unperson: personally i wouldn't use (Linux - Samba - Linux) i just run both NFS and Samba for the correct OS
[03:28] <Gerrath> the kernel is there but I can't access the root file system with out the initrd.
[03:28] <dr_willis> Gerrath,  i recall some how you can remount the /dev/ when doing stuff like that.
[03:28] <Gerrath> thats what I'm looking for.
[03:28] <dr_willis> Gerrath,  or make a menu entry that dosent use the initrd ?
[03:28] <NixerX> Gerrath, What kernel is it now? 2.6.8?
[03:28] <biezt> so can anyone guide me throug the installation proces of gzip ?
[03:28] <Gerrath> if I can remount dev to the internal HD then I will be in good shape.
[03:28] <Gerrath> yes, its 2.6.8
[03:29] <jmob> biezt: gzip? don't you already have that installed?
[03:29] <biezt> i don't know, can't find it anywhere :O
[03:29] <Gerrath> I tried booting with out the initrd but it cant access the root fs.
[03:29] <unperson> mon, Ok, well, I'll have to take a look into the advantages of NFS to see if that's worth doing, but for the moment I just want to get samba working right.  Any idea the best way to mount it?
[03:29] <jmob> biezt: type ``which gzip'' at a console
[03:29] <NixerX> Gerrath, do you have root            (hd0,0) in menu list?
[03:30] <dr_willis> Gerrath,  i just recall that when i used gentoo. there was some mount command that moved the /dev/ from the live cd to the hard drives /dev/ but its been a while since ive messed witjh that stuff
[03:30] <NixerX> menu.lst
[03:30] <unperson> I used to just use LinNeightborhood to browse and mount samba shares when I was running Debian Testing, but it doesn't seem to work properly in ubuntu.
[03:30] <biezt> is says bin/gzip :O
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[03:30] <biezt> so i can down .gz files and it just starts ?
[03:31] <unperson> I says that smbmnt must be installed suid root in order for users to mount samba shares.  I tried dpkg-reconfigure smbmnt and didn't get the option, so I'm not sure how to fix it.
[03:32] <mon> unperson: doesn't the "Network thingie" (not sure what it's called) automagicly discover them?
[03:32] <mon> unperson: it required zero configuration here
[03:32] <unperson> mon, You mean browsing the network with nautilus
[03:32] <Gerrath> NixerX, my Linux root is grub:(hd0,2), Kernel:(hda3)
[03:33] <jmob> biezt: then you do have it
[03:33] <unperson> mon, I'm able to browse the shares with nautilus, but I can't figure out how to actually mount them.
[03:33] <jmob> biezt: ubuntu should include a gnome tool for messing with archives
[03:33] <jmob> biezt: but you can read ``man gzip'' if you want to learn about the command line tool
[03:33] <biezt> and a ftp client ?
[03:33] <spikeb> why are you messing with gzip
[03:34] <spikeb> use synaptic to install gftp-gtk
[03:34] <spikeb> is a feature request considered a bug? heh
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[03:34] <jmob> spikeb: usually
[03:34] <NetSKaVeN> anyone playing with Ubuntu LiveCD?
[03:34] <Gerrath> NixerX, Why did you ask the root question?
[03:35] <grepper> sjoerd, ah, guess I better stick with 2.6.8*  - no updates for hal in universe - not sure I want to mix with hoary
[03:35] <mon> unperson: i don't get it, you can browse them, but not mount them?
[03:35] <NixerX> cause you said it couldnt find root.
[03:35] <jmob> spikeb: since bug trackers double as task/project managers
[03:35] <spikeb> ok
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[03:35] <anir> hey all
[03:35] <anir> how are you guys
[03:35] <wood1> Hi everybody
[03:35] <spikeb> i might file a bug about having a graphical  FTP client in hoary
[03:35] <spikeb> anir, just dandy :)
[03:35] <wood1> good to be at this chatroom
[03:36] <unperson> mon, Eh, I mean that I can look at the contents through nautilus, but it's not clear that they're mounted in such a way that other applications can access it through the file system.
[03:36] <Gerrath> it just cant mount the root since the kernel module for the FS is not loaded and is on the root file system so it can't be loaded.  Thats why the initrd is important to beat the chicken before the egg issue ;)
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[03:36] <spikeb> wait, can't nautilus do ftp?
[03:36] <wood1> ogra, are you in there ?
[03:36] <ogra> yup
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[03:36] <NixerX> Gerrath, gotcha.
[03:36] <spikeb> yes it can, to answer my question
[03:37] <wood1> Ogra, I can ssh to my Ubuntu PC from another PC using Windows XP using Putty
[03:37] <mon> unperson: ok i get it. you tried the mount command with -t smbfs?
[03:37] <wood1> But how do I copy files from the Ubuntu PC to the XP PC ??
[03:37] <spikeb> scp
[03:37] <mon> wood1: winscp
[03:37] <mon> or ftp if it doesn't have to be secure and a bit faster
[03:37] <wood1> thanks
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[03:40] <NixerX> Gerrath, there was something in the gentoo stuff that allowed oyu to chroot from the live cd to the mounted root partition...let me see if I can find that...then maybe you can use dpkg or apt
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[03:41] <unperson> mon, eh, let's get back to that in the a minute.  It looks like maybe there is a way to mount them with nautilus, but I can't figure out WHERE they're mounted.
[03:41] <jacobat> How easy is upgrading / security maintenance with ubuntu?
[03:41] <Gerrath> NixerX, Thanks that would be a big help.  I have been able to chroot but I get the /dev/null errors since it is tied to the live distro.
[03:41] <spikeb> very easy
[03:41] <jacobat> spikeb: Easy enough that my grandmother could do it?
[03:41] <spikeb> not quite.
[03:41] <mon> unperson: tried "mount" in a console?
[03:41] <jacobat> spikeb: I would prefer something easier than windowsupdate ;)
[03:42] <mon> unperson: seems logical to me too that it does get mounted, can't check now because i'm not in ubuntu
[03:42] <mon> jacobat: if you do it right, neither you or your grandmother will have to update :) set a weekly update and dist-upgrade in cron and you're done
[03:43] <wood1> mon, how do I use winscp? do I have to download it first ?
[03:43] <mon> wood1: i'd download it first before using it, yeah :)
[03:43] <mon> try google
[03:43] <NixerX> Gerrath, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/2004.2/handbook-x86.xml?full=1
[03:43] <unperson> mon, Well, there's a "connect to server" option that puts a link on the desktop.  I assume that means it's mounting it, but I'm not sure.  Should it show up with df?
[03:43] <wood1> Well is  winscip a Linux command or a Windows command ?
[03:43] <spikeb> windows program
[03:43] <spikeb> hence the win
[03:44] <NixerX> Gerrath, not 100% sure if it will help you considering the env-update.
[03:44] <dr_willis> yea ive used that. it was a ftp-type client for windows that uses ssh to copy files back/forth right?
[03:44] <mon> unperson: i think you're right. and yes it should show up with df or mount
[03:44] <jacobat> mon: Is that safe? I mean... do you risk installing some upgrade that breaks the system that way?
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[03:44] <biezt> gftp isn't installed is it ?
[03:44] <unperson> mon, With the terminal mount command here's the issue.  If the share is not already in /etc/fstab, then only root can mount them.  The difficulty is that the share is for my normal username, so when I try to mount it with sudo, samba sees root trying to mount it and refuses.
[03:45] <wood1> Well I am at the remote Ubuntu PC say:   wood1@ubuntu
[03:45] <mon> jacobat: i think it's pretty safe, i do it on my debian Sarge "server". ofcourse you could ssh into the box and do it manually each time
[03:45] <jacobat> mon: The problem is I would like to not have to
[03:45] <mon> jacobat: if you just stick to the "stable" ubuntu release, i don't think it will  go wrong
[03:45] <wood1> How do I copy files to my current Windows drive C ?
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[03:45] <jacobat> mon: I would like to recommend Ubuntu to newbies who don't know Windows from Linux
[03:45] <mon> jacobat: either automaticly or manually, it's your choice :)
[03:45] <NixerX> wood1, ntfs or fat?
[03:46] <wood1> Just fat
[03:46] <jacobat> mon: And not have to manually service their systems
[03:46] <mon> jacobat: then a cron job wil do just fine i think. easier and better than Win update ;)
[03:46] <mon> jacobat: good thinking
[03:46] <jacobat> mon: Okay, thanks :)
[03:46] <NixerX> wood1, mount the drive and then drag and drop.
[03:46] <mon> jacobat: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutoWeeklyUpdateHowTo/view?searchterm=cron
[03:46] <jacobat> mon: :)
[03:47] <mon> or well, skip the view? part
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[03:47] <wood1> NixerX you mean mount the Ubuntu partition ?
[03:47] <mon> unperson: and using the "connect to server" option?
[03:48] <mon> wood1: are you talking 1 computer or 2?
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[03:48] <kzetts> hi
[03:48] <wood1> Well I am now on the Windows PC now
[03:48] <unperson> mon, hmm...ok well, having used the connet to server option to make a link on my desktop, nothing shows up with df or mount -l.
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[03:48] <kzetts> could someone help me out with something?
[03:48] <mon> unperson: click it first
[03:48] <mon> wood1: and...?
[03:49] <wood1> I am connected to the remote Ubuntu pc using Putty SSH
[03:49] <olimar> Any debian developer here?
[03:49] <olimar> Hi all btw ;)
[03:49] <mon> wood1: ok, then you need to use winscp on that windows box. just try it once, it's easy to figure out
[03:49] <NixerX> what is the plug in for mp3 playback?
[03:49] <mon> kzetts: don't ask to ask, just ask
[03:49] <wood1> I want to copy some files from the SSH prompt to a windows drive
[03:49] <kzetts> heh
[03:49] <kzetts> k
[03:50] <NixerX> wood1, I mean the windows partition. Im assuming you are dual booting...perhaps I shouldn't have assumed :).
[03:50] <mon> NixerX: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:50] <kzetts> i wanted to know if the stsock kernel for ubuntu came with the necessary phillips webcam drivers to run a pwc based camera?
[03:50] <Stuttergart> Has anyone seen an issue with Samba where creating new directories or new files on a shares takes maybe 10 or 15 seconds to complete?
[03:50] <CaPS_> NixerX, gstreamer0.8-mad .. it's in the 'universe' distribution module thingymabob
[03:50] <Stuttergart> but removing said files and directories happens instantly.
[03:50] <unperson> mon, Yeah, still nothing.  Hmm...I don't know.  Well, let me go to #debian and just see if I can figure out how to get smbmnt set suid root or something.
[03:50] <dr_willis> wood1,  that winscp may be easier to mess with.
[03:50] <mon> Stuttergart: no such problem here, perhaps you should file a bug
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[03:51] <NixerX> mon CaPS_ thank yo.
[03:51] <dr_willis> Stuttergart,  you sure its not the wiondows box thats taking that time to just 'refresh' the listing?
[03:51] <Stuttergart> mon: I would but I can't even begin to figure out why this is happening, :\
[03:51] <mon> unperson: k, i'm not really into that smb stuff anyway :)
[03:51] <Stuttergart> No Windows box involved
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[03:51] <mon> Stuttergart: that's what devs are for :)
[03:51] <Stuttergart> I'm making the share with share-admin
[03:51] <dr_willis> Stuttergart,  heh - that eliminates that potential issue then
[03:51] <mon> Stuttergart: hmm then why use samba?
[03:51] <Stuttergart> and testing on localhost with smbmount
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[03:51] <dr_willis> mon,  hehe - i was just about to ask that.
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[03:52] <Stuttergart> I need to export a share to another engineer and SMB *should* be the easiest way to do it.
[03:52] <Stuttergart> touch: setting times of `foo': Input/output error
[03:52] <mon> Stuttergart: perhaps i'm biased, but NFS is a LOT easier to setup imo
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[03:53] <Stuttergart> mon: is there a tool that autoamates that in Hoary?
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[03:53] <NixerX> mon, samba isnt all that bad. If you need to have it....
[03:53] <mon> Stuttergart: there's a howto on the ubuntu site iirc
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[03:53] <Stuttergart> Frankly, I'm not a fan of NFS since you have to tweak hosts.allow and mess with /etc/exports yada yada yada
[03:53] <mon> NixerX: i'm not saying it's bad, i'd just rather use NFS if there's no windows involved
[03:53] <Stuttergart> not for quickie mobile use at least.
[03:54] <unperson> mon, I should note that in the past samba has been a breeze.  This is just some oddity of the way ubuntu is setup or just my lack of familiarity with the distro.
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[03:54] <mon> Stuttergart: 1: have portmap running, 2: set directory to share in exports and you're done
[03:54] <mon> Stuttergart: smb.conf contains a looot more options :)
[03:54] <Stuttergart> Y, I'd rather not run portmap. ;)
[03:54] <mon> unperson: could be, i don't know much about samba...
[03:54] <Stuttergart> might forget and leave it running.
[03:54] <biezt> where does ubuntu download 2 and how can i unpack a tar.gz file ?
[03:54] <NixerX> mon, Yea. once you get a working config you reuse. Its pretty sweet.
[03:54] <Stuttergart> I'm on a lot of hostile networks. ;)
[03:55] <mon> i just think it's a little weird to use a MS protocol for something that can be done, well, different and easier
[03:55] <Stuttergart> Well, there may be some Windows boxes involved later then. ;-p
[03:55] <mon> Stuttergart: in that case you might need to set hosts.allow etc, but still that's not that hard
[03:56] <mon> aha :)
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[03:56] <broodster> where do i get a rar archiver?
[03:56] <mon> in that case i leave it to the other guys, i'm no SMB expert
[03:57] <broodster> where do i get a rar archiver????
[03:57] <mon> broodster: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#unrar
[03:57] <mon> chill it
[03:57] <broodster> thank you
[03:57] <mon> that's all folks, i'll be back sometime :)
[03:58] <biezt> so where does ubuntu download 2 and how can i install a tar.gz file ?
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[04:00] <jacobat> Am I be correct when I'm assuming that Ubuntu has a priority in making a limited and well thought out desktop for the user on a standard install?
[04:00] <jacobat> Nevermind the grammar bugs ;)
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[04:01] <broodster> does ubuntu come with an mp3 player???
[04:01] <DJCarras> no
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[04:01] <DJCarras> but you can install xmms player
[04:02] <broodster> thanks
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[04:03] <DJCarras> nothing
[04:03] <jacobat> Does ubuntu come with a CD burning program as default?
[04:04] <DJCarras> nautilus do the burning job
[04:04] <DJCarras> but you can install k3b
[04:04] <thenuke> but not so manykind of burning jobs
[04:04] <DJCarras> or
[04:04] <broodster> Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:04] <broodster> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:04] <broodster> is only available from another source
[04:04] <DJCarras> GToaster
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[04:05] <jacobat> I've heard good things about k3b. Does it require a load of KDE libs to be installed also or?
[04:05] <NixerX> I have too many mp3's
[04:05] <cartman> jacobat yes it requires kdelibs
[04:06] <NixerX> jacobat, K3b is a great app. I think it dose.
[04:06] <cartman> jacobat and its best cd burner ever
[04:06] <spikeb> i have graveman installed :)
[04:07] <cartman> k3b is even better than Nero
[04:07] <cartman> ;)
[04:07] <dr_willis> k3b is very nicely well done
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[04:07] <dr_willis> but i think nero handles a few things better. :O but then again. they got different design goals.
[04:07] <eazel7> I'm trying to use apt-build to build the xchat-2.4.1, I'm in warty
[04:07] <cartman> dr_willis well true like audio encoding
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[04:08] <NixerX> cartman, I would have to agree...Hell it burns flac and ogg to cda for you if you want....
[04:08] <eazel7> but it wants to build the 2.0.x
[04:08] <dr_willis> cartman,  about to use Nero on a windows box to convert some video to dvd also.. not sure if k3b can handle that.
[04:08] <eazel7> how can I tell apt-build to build the 2.4.1?
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[04:08] <dr_willis> Nero Makes it a 4 click and leave it alone for an hr. job. :P
[04:08] <Frafraxy> hi all
[04:08] <cartman> dr_willis if you have right tools, it can afaik
[04:08] <spikeb> heh yeah
[04:08] <NixerX> dr_willis, convert?
[04:08] <dr_willis> I need a program taht the wife can handle :p  hee hee
[04:08] <NixerX> dr_willis, lol
[04:08] <Frafraxy> frafra@frafra:~ $ glxgears
[04:08] <Frafraxy> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:08] <Frafraxy> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[04:08] <cartman> dr_willis k3b ;-)
[04:09] <NixerX> dr_willis, I hear ya bro!
[04:09] <dr_willis> good old Wedding videos.
[04:09] <cartman> Frafraxy you miss dri
[04:09] <cartman> Frafraxy if nVidia you are missing glx
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[04:09] <Frafraxy> it's ati
[04:09] <Frafraxy> radeon 9600 pro
[04:09] <cartman> dri then
[04:09] <anir> hi guys
[04:09] <NixerX> anir, hello
[04:10] <Frafraxy> i've execute the wiki page of ubuntu, for agp on ati cards
[04:10] <Frafraxy> and it was ok
[04:10] <dr_willis> actually im not sure how you get the video FROM the 'firewire' camcorder to the pc to use with k3b. :P
[04:10] <cartman> you guys know what k3b stands for ?
[04:10] <cartman> k3b == KDE Burn Baby Burn
[04:10] <Frafraxy> but it doesn't work good with tuxracer
[04:10] <cartman> hehe
[04:11] <anir> nixerx: how are you.?? well can u tell me is SUSE is only for server use or home use too??
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[04:11] <Frafraxy> i've resetted XF86Config
[04:11] <spikeb> anir, i can tell you that you can use it at home
[04:11] <Frafraxy> and now i can't use agp
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[04:11] <dr_willis> anir,  it can do either
[04:11] <NixerX> anir, It can be for a desktop as well as server.
[04:11] <dr_willis> i use it as my home desktop server. :P
[04:11] <NixerX> anir, Personally I dont like it.
[04:12] <anir> and fedora??
[04:12] <NixerX> anir, same.
[04:12] <spikeb> i wouldnt use it as a server
[04:12] <anir> okay nixerx why dont u like it??
[04:12] <dr_willis> ive had little issues with SUSE. of course ive had little issues with most all the 'mondern' disrtos.
[04:12] <Frafraxy> frafra@frafra:~ $ bzflag
[04:12] <Frafraxy> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:12] <Frafraxy> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:12] <Frafraxy> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:12] <Frafraxy> Can't create window.  Exiting.
[04:12] <Frafraxy> it doesn't work
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[04:12] <Frafraxy> can you help me?
[04:13] <NixerX> anir, the big thing is the prive tag and upgrading is a pain. IMHO
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[04:13] <NixerX> anir, I much prefer Ubuntu on the desktop and Debian on Servers.
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[04:13] <Benjamin_L> is tehre a way to change this http://ubuntuguide.org/#permanentlydisableenableboot-upservice without displaying "permission denied" all the time ?
[04:14] <anir> nixerx: have u tried linspire or xandros
[04:14] <BiasD> just apt-get upgraded to all new Hoary packages, got new X.org and 6629 nvidia drivers on 2.6.9 kernel
[04:14] <BiasD> my mouse wheel dont work anymore
[04:14] <BiasD> any ideas?
[04:14] <anir> i am looking for a good desktop distro..
[04:14] <NixerX> anir, No. My boss like Xandros. But to me is violates the concept of open source.
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[04:14] <kzetts> ya
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[04:14] <kzetts> you need to edit your xfree config
[04:14] <BiasD> i was running X.org with older nvidia drivers fine
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[04:14] <anir> nixerx: what law?
[04:14] <BiasD> and my mouse wheel worked
[04:14] <anir> oops concept
[04:15] <BiasD> just something in the upgrade in the last couple weeks
[04:15] <kzetts> BiasD: edit your xfree config
[04:15] <kzetts> theres 2 line you ned to add
[04:15] <BiasD> well xorg.conf
[04:15] <BiasD> got the ZAxisMapping stuff in there
[04:15] <dr_willis> Xandros is decently well done but  Linspire has 'issues' :P
[04:15] <kzetts> hold
[04:15] <NixerX> anir, no laws..just the fundamentals. :)
[04:15] <kzetts> k
[04:15] <kzetts> u got the Buttons options?
[04:16] <dr_willis> of course compare any of these disrtos with the state of Linux say 3 y ears ago.. and egads - weve come a long way!
[04:16] <BiasD> whats the Buttons option?
[04:16] <anir> nixerx: well u r trying to say that it should be distributed free..??,,
[04:16] <BiasD> im just using the same xorg.conf that was working a couple weeks ago
[04:16] <kzetts> add Option "Buttons" "5"
[04:16] <BiasD> ahh, k
[04:16] <NixerX> anir, IMHO if you want to use linux use a GPL Open Source Distro and donate a sopme $$ to the Developers.
[04:16] <kzetts> with five buttons
[04:16] <kzetts> it adds the up and down scrools
[04:17] <BiasD> k, that should be on the wiki or something
[04:17] <anir> nixerx: which one do u prefer KDE or GONME
[04:17] <BiasD> cuz it was working fine previously without that option
[04:17] <kzetts> heh
[04:17] <BiasD> gonna test that, brb
[04:17] <NixerX> anir, I go both ways there.. KDE is REALLY nice.
[04:17] <kzetts> well, i used to run slackware, and you have to configure every little thing
[04:17] <kzetts> and thats just something that i remember
[04:18] <anir> nixerx: in ubutu u r using KDE or GNOME??
[04:18] <unperson> anir, KDE definitely seems to have more apps, but that can also make it seem a bit cluttered at times.
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[04:18] <HcE> what is the correct hostmask for a 1/4 C-net?
[04:18] <NixerX> anir, Gnome 2.8
[04:18] <anir> cool
[04:18] <HcE> ex: 10.0.0.64/26?
[04:18] <NixerX> anir,  thats the default.
[04:18] <anir> yes.i am also using ubuntu
[04:19] <NixerX> anir, If I may ask, Why are you looking into Xandros and Suse?
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[04:20] <anir> i love ubuntu but still think it lack something.. may be because i am new to linux environment and dont know much about it..
[04:20] <Benjamin_L> anyone disabled some bootup services already ? maybe someone can help me
[04:20] <kzetts> suse is nub
[04:20] <NixerX> anir, What is it that you feel its lacking? maybe I can help.
[04:20] <biezt> so can anyone guide me through installing glftpd without the packet manager ?
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[04:20] <biezt> cause the packet manager doesn't find it
[04:20] <kzetts> so?
[04:20] <NixerX> kzetts, we all cant start on slackware :)
[04:21] <BiasD> wheel mouse still not working. its a Logitech MouseMan using IMPS/2
[04:21] <kzetts> lol
[04:21] <anir> nixerx: i cant run word.. though i am using WINE..is there any better option than that? and about games
[04:21] <BiasD> I tried the Buttons option in xorg.conf and Emulate3Buttons false
[04:21] <kzetts> i actually started on sse 8.2
[04:21] <unperson> anir, Thre's crossover office, if you want to shell out a few bucks.
[04:21] <BiasD> still not working, worked fine before the last apt-get upgrade
[04:21] <kzetts> suse*
[04:21] <kzetts> sorry Biasd
[04:21] <NixerX> anir, Check out Crossover office or transgaming if you MUST have those things.
[04:22] <NixerX> kzetts, Me too. as you can prolly tell. :)
[04:22] <unperson> anir, You've checked out openoffice and abiword already?
[04:22] <kzetts> ya i use cedega for gaming, suck that you have to pay
[04:22] <anir> nixerx: and about configuring my system..
[04:22] <unperson> anir, I find for my purposes openoffice works fine say 90% of the time.
[04:22] <NixerX> anir, yea..
[04:23] <anir> unperson: yes i am using openoffice..
[04:23] <NixerX> we havr 600/1000 users deplyed on Openoffice
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[04:23] <mmx_> ssa
[04:23] <NixerX> anir, what about configuring your systems?
[04:24] <kzetts> ya, progression of distros, Suse(cra) <Debian < Slackware(mmm, control :)) <Ubuntu(mmm, debian)
[04:24] <anir> NixerX: i cant run my tv card.. may be thats not soo important for me.. but its for self satisfaction
[04:24] <NixerX> anir, You bought the card...so you should be able to use it. What kind of card?
[04:25] <kzetts> the only problem i have with ubuntu is th elack of support for my cam, and i really dont feel like recompiling my kernel just for a webcam
[04:25] <anir> NixerX: i have downloaded firefox1.0 installed it but dont know where it is installed and cant run it
[04:25] <anir> well it s a pci card
[04:25] <kzetts> anir
[04:25] <NixerX> kzetts, Mine is Slack3.6----->Slack10--->Debian--->ubuntu..must be getting lazy in my old age :)
[04:25] <kzetts> type mozilla-firefox" or if you compiled from source, it will be in /home/<user>/firefox/firefox.sh
[04:26] <anir> kzetts:yes
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[04:26] <NixerX> anir, I dunno why you didnt use universe for Firefox :)
[04:26] <anir> and i dont know how to compile kernel..
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[04:26] <help_please> hi all
[04:27] <anir> NixerX: its already installed..but i cant run it
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[04:27] <help_please> Java script does not opens in my Mozilla Firefox
[04:27] <NixerX> anir, is xawtv installes?
[04:27] <help_please> what's the solution to that ?
[04:27] <anir> yes xawtv is installed NixerX
[04:27] <anir> NixerX: how to configure it
[04:28] <NixerX> anir, if memory serves there is a xawtv configure option.... do man xawtv in a terminal.
[04:28] <unperson> help_please, Java applets or javascript?
[04:29] <NixerX> help_please, What do you mean. Javascript?
[04:29] <NixerX> unperson good question :)
[04:29] <unperson> help_please, javascript should work fine, unless you checked the option to disable it.
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[04:29] <biezt> so i downed the tgz from glftpd, now how do i run it ?
[04:30] <unperson> help_please, That's in edit->preferences->web features
[04:30] <anir> NixerX: so how will i configure it??
[04:30] <biezt> help me plz !!
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[04:31] <NixerX> anir, dose it say nayhting in the manpage about scannin channels?
[04:31] <unperson> anir, if you're shopping for distros you might also give Mandrake a look.  I like ubuntu more, because it doesn't seem as bloated and cluttered, but mandrake is pretty user friendly.
[04:31] <nordle> Hello, is it possible to install Ubuntu-AMD64 on /dev/hdb2, where the 3 partitions on the second hard disk are all primary, and then get grub to install on /dev/hda MBR?  I ask because I have installed ubuntu successfully on /dev/hda2 and grub on the mbr of hda, but when I try hdb2 grub fails to do anything when the PC us booted, it sais "grub stage 1.5 please wait..." then does nothing for 5 mins.  Does it matter that grub is on hda and ubuntu is on hdb?  O
[04:31] <nordle> r could the error be cause by having 3 primary partitions on hdb, rather than logical?  Any ideas please?
[04:31] <NixerX> biezt, are you compiling an ftp server?
[04:32] <dr_willis> nordle,  shoudlent matter. sounds like the grub menu/config is messed up/confused
[04:32] <AMIGrAve> is there a way under ubuntu to copy a DVD iso and burn it back to another DVD ?
[04:32] <NixerX> AMIGrAve, you have to "shrink" the DVD to fit on to the DVD-R
[04:32] <dr_willis> AMIGrAve,  you could 'dd' the dvd to a file. then burn it to a different disk perhaps.
[04:32] <dr_willis> Oh - a 'stamped' dvd..
[04:33] <dr_willis> those are bigger arent they.
[04:33] <biezt> nixerx yes
[04:33] <NixerX> dr_willis, your idea would work...
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[04:33] <NixerX> biezt, why this particular ftp server?
[04:33] <nordle> dr_willis: I should have mentioned that on hda it was ubuntu i386, and its the amd64 version which wont boot on hdb (with grub still hda)....mmmmm ok, I will check grub now (mount partition from other distro) thanks.
[04:33] <biezt> cuz my friend says it's the best !!
[04:34] <AMIGrAve> NixerX: it is not a movie, my father bought a gps navigation dvd but he want to use a backup instead of the original to avoid glitches on the original dvd
[04:34] <anir> NixerX: actually there is no option menu here
[04:34] <biezt> i just need to learn how to install things without the packet manager :P
[04:34] <biezt> i have the file in my home
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[04:35] <NixerX> biezt, tar -xvzf the tarball. and ./configure&& make and make install as root.
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[04:35] <NixerX> biezt, Consult the README and the INSTALL files for tips ok?
[04:35] <AMIGrAve> dr_willis: i first tought about dd, but after googling i saw that it was not the good method because (as it was said and I find it strange) dd wouldn't stop at the end of the image or somthing like that and they told that in order to use dd, the result of the command isosize should be used for the count argument of dd, anyway i don't find isosize in ubuntu
[04:36] <NixerX> anir, it has been a long time since I used a TV card. but it was a WinTC card by happauge.
[04:36] <dr_willis> google for isosize :P
[04:36] <dr_willis> i just use dd on data cd's mainly the cd-burning howto mentions the right way to do it.
[04:36] <anir> NixerX: k ..thankx
[04:36] <jmob> biezt: I'd suggest using checkinstall with source packages
[04:36] <jmob> biezt: makes them much easier to clean up
[04:36] <NixerX> AMIGrAve, maybe lookinto growisofs
[04:36] <NixerX> jmob, good suggestion.
[04:37] <jmob> biezt: apt-get install checkinstall; ./configure && make && checkinstall -yD make install
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[04:37] <NixerX> check install is a beautiful thing
[04:38] <biezt> i already did the tar thing :P
[04:39] <biezt> but he doesn't do anything with /configure
[04:39] <NixerX> biezt, did you read the INSTALL file?
[04:39] <biezt> ow the dir is in my home
[04:39] <NixerX> cd into the dir.
[04:40] <AMIGrAve> NixerX: IIRC growisofs will make an iso from a directory and pipe it to dvdrecord, anyway I want to get the exact iso and burn it back, because perhaps the dvd won't work if modified
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[04:41] <NixerX> AMIGrAve, mkisofs always works for me.
[04:41] <biezt> which is the install file i only see a file with update info :P
[04:41] <NixerX> hmm.
[04:41] <biezt> how do i go to home fro home/user ?
[04:41] <NixerX> biezt, did you grab the source tarball?
[04:42] <NixerX> cd /home/usernme
[04:42] <biezt> the tarball is the dir it's in ?
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[04:42] <NixerX> the tarball is the tar.gz file.
[04:42] <NixerX> how did you extract the tar.gz file?
[04:43] <biezt> tar -xvzy file
[04:43] <biezt> or something :P
[04:43] <nakee> hmm
[04:43] <NixerX> tar -xvzf :)
[04:43] <biezt> so now there's in my home/user a dir with the files
[04:43] <NixerX> that should make a new dir in the same directory
[04:44] <NixerX> biezt, ok cd into that directory
[04:45] <AMIGrAve> dr_willis: you're right, I should have checked it before, it's 6 Go long, so I won't be able to bakcup it
[04:45] <AMIGrAve> dr_willis: thanks
[04:45] <biezt> he doesn't go there :S
[04:45] <NixerX> biezt, what error do you get?
[04:45] <biezt> the dir is glftd-LNX_2.00
[04:46] <biezt> no such dir :S
[04:46] <dr_willis> AMIGrAve,  Lol
[04:46] <dr_willis> AMIGrAve,  time for a doublelayer dvd.
[04:46] <biezt> lawl forgot a letter :P
[04:46] <biezt> so i'm in there :O
[04:47] <NixerX> is there an INSTALL file?
[04:47] <biezt> should i run glinstall.sh ?
[04:47] <NixerX> biezt, read any install or readme files.
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[04:49] <AMIGrAve> dr_willis: should have ask it for christmas ;-)
[04:49] <biezt> i can't find any files with install :O
[04:49] <dr_willis> AMIGrAve,  been lookling at the dual layer dvd burners. they are decently priced. but the DISKS cost too much
[04:49] <NixerX> well i guess you can run the install script. Im not makin any promises!
[04:50] <biezt> which is the install script ?
[04:50] <biezt> the .sh
[04:50] <biezt> i'm a total linux noob :P
[04:50] <biezt> :(
[04:50] <NixerX> biezt, yea thats the one.
[04:51] <biezt> how do i go up one dir from docs to the one before ?
[04:51] <NixerX> cd ..
[04:51] <biezt> it was dr i thougt on windows
[04:51] <biezt> l
[04:52] <biezt> and how do i run the .sh file
[04:52] <biezt> which command ?
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[04:52] <NixerX> sh filename.sh
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[04:55] <NixerX> how do I set gnome to open folders in one window rather than a new on each time?
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[04:59] <anir> how do i know that my tv card is installed or not????
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[04:59] <biezt> how do i uninstall the program ?
[04:59] <NixerX> anir, computer->system configuration->device manager. See if its in there
[04:59] <NixerX> biezt, did you use checkinstall?
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[05:00] <nordle> Has anyone experiences installing a distro and having grub freeze on boot, like this example http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-146452.html
[05:00] <biezt> no
[05:00] <biezt> this is just a test :P
[05:00] <biezt> so i should install checkinstall next time ?
[05:01] <anir> SAA7130 VIDEO BROADCAST DECODER.. IS THIS A TV CARD??
[05:01] <NixerX> biezt, you should consult the web site :)
[05:02] <sjoerd> anir: don't shout
[05:02] <NixerX> anir Looks like it maybe. Google it.
[05:03] <anir> sjoerd: i am sorry i didnt realise that my caps was on..sorry
[05:03] <sjoerd> anir: the saa71XX stuff are mostly tuner chipsets, so it's probably a tuner
[05:04] <anir> sjoerd: thankj you
[05:04] <broodster> UBUNTU ROCKS
[05:05] <broodster> sorry just had to say that =P
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[05:06] <siretart> is someone else having problems with evolution from hoary?
[05:06] <siretart> it still segfaults for me :(
[05:06] <anir> can i play windows games in linux using WINE
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[05:07] <Ribs> anir, cedega is better suited to the task
[05:07] <siretart> anir: have a look at http://transgaming.com
[05:07] <Ribs> but is not free
[05:08] <anir> ribs: where i will get cedega??
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[05:09] <anir> oops
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[05:09] <Ribs> anir, see the link siretart gave yo
[05:09] <Ribs> u
[05:10] <anir> yes ribs i am checking it
[05:10] <cartman> is there a lilo bmp for Ubuntu?
[05:10] <anir> but i am having  a feeling that linux is not for gaming
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[05:12] <broodster> windows is better suited for gaming
[05:12] <broodster> that's why i have windows on my computer
[05:12] <broodster> just for gaming
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[05:12] <davyd> hey hey!
[05:13] <davyd> quick q, is there a hoary netinst CD?
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[05:13] <biezt> how can i read which programs are installed on my pc ?
[05:14] <siretart> anir: I managed to avoid windows for gaming a long time ago. There are quite a lot of games working great, even without cedega. Currently I use cedega for warcraft3
[05:14] <davyd> biezt: dpkg --get-selections
[05:14] <davyd> or dpkg -l for a nicer list
[05:14] <anir> so what linux is for???
[05:14] <davyd> anir: hacking into elite mainframes ;)
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[05:15] <cartman> anir linux is good for anything but rule of thumb is "use whats the best for you"
[05:15] <anir> okay half life, doom, unreal, comandos all ll work??
[05:15] <anir> cartman: thats right
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[05:18] <Zindar> anir: don't expect windows programs to work as good under linux as under windows... they are made for windows...
[05:18] <Zindar> anir: the same way, dont expect linux program to work on windows
[05:18] <Zindar> so...if you're a games.. stick with windows... it will save you headache
[05:18] <Zindar> gamer
[05:19] <anir> another problem.. consider i dont have net connection.. then where i will get the softwares of ubuntu??
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[05:19] <anir> as i am downloading it now form the net
[05:19] <Zindar> anir: on cd
[05:19] <siretart> anir: doom1-3 are working great, unreal classic, ut2k3 and ut2k4 too.
[05:19] <siretart> anir: transgaming promises halflife and hl2 working with cedega, but I didnt test it (no hl fan)
[05:19] <anir> siretart: but the problem is the i am unable to install them on linux..
[05:20] <anir> do i have to use  wine?
[05:20] <siretart> anir: for ut2k3/ut2k4 there is an installer on cd3 for linux
[05:20] <cartman> anir yes or cedega
[05:20] <siretart> anir: for quake3 and doom3 there are pointreleases available
[05:20] <anir> zinder: where will i get the cds?? as my friend wants to install ubuntu but he doesnot have net connection
[05:21] <cartman> anir check www.ubuntulinux.org
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[05:21] <anir> well does all the software come with the installation cd??
[05:21] <siretart> anir: http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage
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[05:22] <siretart> anir: only sections main and restricted. the rest of the universe is to be downloaded
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[05:22] <anir> oh..
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[05:24] <spikeb> its on the same cd the windows installer is for me
[05:24] <Gerrath> I want to boot with the Ubuntu live CD and then chroot to an existing Linux system, everything works fine but any program that tries to access /dev/null crashes becuase /dev/null can not be written to.  The permissions are set correctly (666).
[05:24] <Gerrath> how do I work around this?
[05:24] <miguellinux> Hi, I need to install ubuntu linux on a amd64 with a RAID 0 SATA, but it find the drives as sda and not as a md units
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[05:24] <Gerrath> I can write to /dev/null from the main boot but no from the chroot shell.
[05:25] <davyd> miguellinux: that sounds about right
[05:25] <davyd> md is the designation for software raid
[05:25] <davyd> and you're doing hardware raid on the sata disks right?
[05:25] <Setite> time to order the last parts for my linux rig
[05:25] <Setite> sadly... i will have to dual boot
[05:26] <Setite> cedega doesnt have surround sound... and that just wont do
[05:26] <miguellinux> davyd: well I did some config on the bios... as stripe0 and stripe1
[05:26] <davyd> miguellinux: and now they appear as one single sd disk?
[05:26] <Setite> davyd... good name... dont agree on the spelling though
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[05:27] <davyd> setite: hmm?
[05:27] <miguellinux> davyd: nop they apear as 2 sd separate units
[05:27] <setite> nvm
[05:27] <davyd> miguellinux: sounds like you have something set up wrong then... I've never used those built in raid thingos some motherboards have
[05:27] <davyd> only ever software raid or real Adaptec raid
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[05:28] <davyd> setite: do you mean my name? I kinda didn't choose it, I wasn't really involved in the discussion ;)
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[05:29] <miguellinux> davyd: it is an MSI-6741
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[05:29] <davyd> miguellinux: that doesn't mean a lot to me, what is the northbridge chipset? Intel i865 or something AMD or what?
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[05:30] <setite> davyd... just thought the spelling was off :)
[05:30] <miguellinux> davyd: K8T800
[05:30] <miguellinux> via
[05:30] <davyd> setite: it makes me distinctive ;)
[05:31] <davyd> setite: also, it happens to be my name
[05:31] <davyd> miguellinux: hmm, I would google on it, see what you can find out
[05:31] <davyd> like I said, I've never used it
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[05:31] <davyd> on the real RAID hardware, you configure your arrays, and they appear as SCSI disks
[05:31] <davyd> one for each array
[05:32] <miguellinux> davyd: a newbie question... the normal SATA without a RAID appears as ide disks?
[05:32] <davyd> miguellinux: for me they appear as scsi disks
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[05:33] <davyd> from a physical layer point of view, SATA looks a lot more like SCSI then it does like IDE
[05:33] <davyd> my SATA disk appears as /dev/sda
[05:33] <davyd> my USB cdburner is /dev/scd
[05:34] <davyd> this is what real hardware raid looks like when it boots:
[05:34] <davyd> scsi0 : Vendor: Adaptec  Model: 2100S            FW:370F
[05:34] <davyd>   Vendor: SEAGATE   Model: ST336607LW        Rev: 0006
[05:34] <davyd>   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 03
[05:34] <davyd>   Vendor: ADAPTEC   Model: RAID-5            Rev: 370F
[05:34] <davyd>   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 02
[05:34] <davyd> Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[05:34] <davyd> Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0
[05:34] <davyd> SCSI device sda: 71687355 512-byte hdwr sectors (36704 MB)
[05:34] <davyd> Partition check:
[05:34] <davyd>  sda: sda1
[05:34] <davyd> SCSI device sdb: 143372288 512-byte hdwr sectors (73407 MB)
[05:34] <davyd>  sdb: sdb1
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=== davyd really wishes there was a hoary netinst, I wouldn't still be downloading an f-ing iso...
[05:36] <Count0> Hi there, does anyone know why the Warty Live CD does not run?
[05:36] <FallenHitokiri> i compiled my kernel with speedstep, acpi and apm. if my notebook runs with the batery, it only runs 2.20hours. but with windows it runs nearly 5 hours. cpudyn is running.
[05:36] <maney> you could try doing a minimal Woody install from, say, Sutch's mini-CD, then upgrading to Warty  :-)
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[05:37] <miguellinux> davyd: mm then ubuntu installer is passing throught the RAID config of the motherboard
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[05:37] <miguellinux> davyd: thanks I will google for the proper drivers of the raid card
[05:37] <davyd> FallenHitokiri: you want to try something like laptop mode for turning your disk off
[05:37] <maney> Count0: I had a scratched CDRW that would boot just far enough to make me think it was some hardware related hang  :-/
[05:38] <FallenHitokiri> davyd: and how can I do this
[05:38] <davyd> FallenHitokiri: I can get about 2.5 hours from my laptop, compared to about 2 hours in Windows
[05:38] <davyd> FallenHitokiri: I'm not sure if laptop mode is configured in Ubuntu (I'm going to find out nice and soon when I install it on my laptop ;)
[05:38] <Count0> maney: burnt it twice, MD5 fits, no diffs between Image and disk. I am clueless.. :(
[05:39] <FallenHitokiri> http://www.hopelesscom.de/temp/config that's my kernel-config if it would help to find out
[05:39] <davyd> however, there is a shell script that sets appropriate settings to make the disks power down when not needed, and cache their writes
[05:39] <davyd> stuff like that
[05:39] <Count0> My problem is, that GRUB is coming up and quits with "Error 21"
[05:39] <Count0> I don't like grub, eitger ;)
[05:39] <davyd> Count0: aah, the "Grub hates me" phenominon
[05:39] <davyd> it's surprising how often that comes up
[05:40] <Count0> davy: yep.
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[05:40] <FallenHitokiri> davyd: laptop-mode start starts the laptopmode
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[05:40] <maney> Count0: oh, that's 'way early.  nah, grub is nice... so much so that I haven't a clue what 21 means
[05:40] <davyd> FallenHitokiri: cool, anyway, there are lots of docs on optimising power usage
[05:40] <davyd> have a bit of a google
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[05:40] <Count0> maney: Its half of 42, which is the answer, I suppose ;)
[05:40] <maney> in fact I saw a two-digit boot error and, before I read the rest of it, assumed it must be another Lilo hang  :-)
[05:41] <davyd> Ubuntu does quite a bit of it, but there is still heaps more I imagine
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[05:41] <davyd> turning screen brightness down helps a lot ;)
[05:41] <davyd> man, I'm not going to see this CD image before 3am
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[05:42] <Count0> I'd like to give Ununtu a try, usually I have debian sarge, but for customers, I think Ubuntu is more pleasant....
[05:43] <Count0> ...but I am not ready to give a partition on one of my boxes to it...
[05:43] <davyd> Count0: vmware ;)
[05:43] <miguellinux> Do somebody knows if Ubuntu amd-64 supports VIA SATA VT8237 ?
[05:43] <Count0> @davy: That's expensive, is ti?
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[05:43] <davyd> Count0: about $400 for a linux desktop license I think, but there is a free 30 day trial ;)
[05:44] <davyd> there are also free alternatives like qemu
[05:44] <davyd> or running it inside a UML
[05:44] <Count0> davyd: uck. I get a cheaper PC if i try...
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[05:45] <davyd> I use vmware for things like that, because work paid for a license for me
[05:45] <Count0> davyd: lucky you, I am freelancer;)
[05:45] <Count0> gotta pay all myself
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[05:45] <davyd> it's a useful product if you spend a lot of time needing random features from other systems
[05:46] <davyd> especially that 'other OS'
[05:46] <Count0> davyd: I know, but that's way from my primary business
[05:46] <davyd> Count0: lucky you ;)
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[05:46] <davyd> I'm meant to be trialling linux based exchange replacements
[05:46] <davyd> for outlook compatibility and such
[05:47] <davyd> but I just don't have the heart
[05:47] <Count0> davyd: Uck-yuk, M$ Xchange ... I usually recommend phpGroupware or PHProjekt, they rock!
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[05:48] <davyd> there is a want for Outlook
[05:48] <maney> miguellinux: maybe - Warty's kernel appear to include the sata_via module, at any rate
[05:48] <Count0> davyd: yes, unfortunately ... but afaik you can make quite a money with that.
[05:49] <Count0> Well, anyway, a *working* Ubuntu live boot would make thiungs easier to me ... why is it always me :(
[05:50] <davyd> Count0: because grub is a pos?
[05:50] <maney> miguellinux: but that may not have much of anything to do with the RAID - cheap IDE RAID is usually software-based (BIOS & OS driver), not like "real hradware" that runs its software independently of the host CPU
[05:51] <davyd> maney: really? that's pretty nasty
[05:51] <Count0> davyd: well, I wouldn't care if it would work. Usually, all the live boots do it on ma box.
[05:51] <Quazion> anyone know a tool to compers jpg's without loss of quality ?
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[05:51] <Quazion> it can be done with the gimp, but not really easy...
[05:52] <davyd> Quazion: something in imagemagick perhaps?
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[05:52] <Quazion> maybe
[05:52] <Quazion> i will check it out
[05:52] <krrh> I've got a boot problem with the install and liveCDs. When my PCI video card is set as primary in the BIOS, both CDs fail to boot. When I set onboard video as primary, all boots well. Might anyone know how to solve this, so my PCI card can work with linux? (It's an Intel 845G board and an ATI 9200 PCI card.)
[05:52] <Quazion> thanks davyd
[05:52] <maney> davyd: that's why they're cheaper than real RAID cards  ;-)
[05:52] <Count0> Anyway, I have to get another box out to test the live boot, maybe it works on my PII or my Celeron box...
[05:52] <davyd> maney: I thought they were just slow and dodgy
[05:52] <davyd> and only able to handle the two drives
[05:52] <davyd> which is why they were cheaper
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[05:53] <maney> grub error 21: selected disk does not exist
[05:53] <Count0> ...I usually never switch off. Anyway, ThX alot, I come back if those two boxes have a grub error, too - or if they simply run ;)
[05:53] <maney> may be a confused BIOS
[05:54] <Quenyar> having difficulty in getting a java virtual machine to run
[05:54] <Quazion> davyd, i installed imagemagick package how to use? ;)
[05:54] <davyd> Quenyar: what's wrong with it?
[05:54] <Quazion> i lets read the docs
[05:54] <davyd> Quenyar: have you followed the instructions on the wiki?
[05:54] <Quazion> seems it are small programs
[05:54] <davyd> Quazion: man convert is a good start
[05:54] <Count0> maney: hmm, that makes only little sense, for grub starts from the CD, so the /dev/hd... should be OK...
[05:54] <davyd> Quazion: yes
[05:54] <Quazion> thanks :)
[05:54] <davyd> convert is probably the one you want
[05:55] <maney> Count0: grub uses its own syntax and talks to the disks by BIOS number, so there's a certain amount of guesswork
[05:55] <Quenyar> well, I run the executable and it marches off and appears to be "preparing virtual machine" but then it just stops without any further message.  No I haven't followed the wikki procedure - can you be more specific?
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[05:55] <KreacH> hi
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[05:56] <davyd> Quenyar: the wiki procedure for installing java
[05:56] <Count0> maney: oh, bummer... I usually test live's on my Laptop, but I really need it day by day...
[05:56] <davyd> I seem to be able to run java programs fine...
[05:56] <KreacH> the installing gave a lot of i/o errors, but everything works .... is this normal ?
[05:56] <Count0> Anyway, I 'll give the live a try on my other boxes, maybe that will end up to something good. ThX!
[05:57] <maney> Count0: oh, is it a laptop it's failing on?  laptops are still voted most likely to do something weird  :-(
[05:57] <davyd> KreacH: no
[05:57] <Quenyar> No I haven't but I will look for them.  I just went into synamptic and installed the java components that seemed to make sense...
[05:57] <krrh> Anyone have thoughts on the problem I mentioned above?
[05:57] <davyd> KreacH: you either have, bad media, a bad cdrom or a bad harddisk
[05:57] <davyd> or possible bad logic
[05:57] <Count0> maney: well,  mine does whatever^I want him to do, because I have the Source code ;)
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[05:57] <danitus> i need fast help :(
[05:57] <danitus> how to setup a network
[05:58] <Count0> danitus: That's a huge question, can you give a little mor detail?
[05:58] <davyd> danitus: there is a network config tool
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[05:58] <danitus> i just noticed...
[05:58] <Danko123456> Yo....
[05:58] <Quenyar> but now I have a new problem.... :-)  My cursor has become a two sided box with a plus in it and I can't do anything but add text to the irc chat window
[05:58] <Danko123456> :)
[05:58] <danitus> >.<
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[05:59] <Danko123456> Does anyone have some kind of a workaround for printers?
[05:59] <KreacH> the installing gave a lot of i/o errors, is this normal since everything works ?
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[05:59] <davyd> Danko123456: what are you working around?
[05:59] <Count0> Danko123456: cups.
[05:59] <Danko123456> I have an Epson Stylus CX5400
[05:59] <davyd> KreacH: no
[05:59] <Danko123456> And I want to make it work.
[05:59] <Danko123456> :)
[05:59] <davyd> Danko123456: I have a working Epson CX3500
[05:59] <Danko123456> But it is not.
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[05:59] <KreacH> davyd : so this means my hd is broken ?
[06:00] <davyd> Danko123456: let me try to remember what you'll need
[06:00] <Danko123456> Cool...How did you get it to work?
[06:00] <davyd> KreacH: perhaps... do you have a copy of the error?
[06:00] <Danko123456> Take your time, please...
[06:00] <KreacH> i/o error on central block 1 or 2 or 3 or something
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[06:01] <KreacH> but now everything works and it was just with updating
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[06:01] <Count0> Well, folks, thanks for now, I have to get some supplies for tomorrow...
[06:01] <davyd> Danko123456: ok, you at least need foomatic-db-gimp-print installed
[06:01] <Danko123456> I need the exact commands, or instructions.
[06:02] <Danko123456> apt-get install foomatic-db-gimp-print
[06:02] <Danko123456> ?
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[06:02] <davyd> Danko123456: yeah that's good
[06:02] <Danko123456>  You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[06:02] <Danko123456> thats what it says....
[06:03] <maney> probably good idea to do that, then  ;-)
[06:03] <Danko123456> Just did, and still same error.
[06:03] <Danko123456> foomatic-db-gimp-print is already the newest version.
[06:03] <Danko123456> This is what it says on top.
[06:03] <davyd> ok
[06:04] <Danko123456> Should I try with synaptic?
[06:04] <KreacH> now it doesn't give problems :O
[06:04] <maney> that part's okay - says you already have it
[06:04] <Danko123456> Yeah, I guess....
[06:04] <Danko123456> :)
[06:04] <davyd> Danko123456: do you have a list of Epson printers when you try to add the printer?
[06:04] <Danko123456> Yes, I do.
[06:04] <Danko123456> I added two already...
[06:04] <Danko123456> C80
[06:04] <Danko123456> C82
[06:05] <KreacH> so what is checkinstall and how can i uninstall with it ?
[06:05] <Danko123456> The ink is same for C82 (color) and C80(black.)
[06:05] <davyd> is there something vaguely close to the CX5400 there?
[06:05] <davyd> eg. I'm using CX-3200 for mine
[06:05] <Danko123456> Well, those two...
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[06:05] <Danko123456> Yeah, maybeI should try with that one...
[06:06] <Danko123456> k, Ill try a couple more.
[06:06] <davyd> here are my notes: http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/128433.html
[06:06] <Danko123456> I mean the printer prints....but its all screwy...
[06:06] <Danko123456> thanks.
[06:06] <davyd> screwy how?
[06:06] <KreacH> davyd : i did apt-get updates and no errors this time :O
[06:06] <Danko123456> Ill be back...
[06:06] <Danko123456> Like the test page, uses only cyan(blue) and black...
[06:06] <Danko123456> for one...
[06:07] <davyd> Danko123456: give the cartridges a shake ;)
[06:07] <davyd> Epson has a habit of sucking, my Cyan stops flowing until I take it out and shake it a bit
[06:07] <Danko123456> and when I print only black, then it prints like the head?! is clogged
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[06:07] <davyd> apparently this is not something you can return the printer for, and Epson recommend you print at least once a week
[06:07] <Danko123456> like you know lines...
[06:07] <davyd> (give me a hewlett packard any day)
[06:08] <Danko123456> Yeah, that may help with the Colors...
[06:08] <Danko123456> Cause I ahd just installed the cartridgesd...
[06:08] <Danko123456> I had shaked them though...
[06:08] <Danko123456> Ill do some more shaking
[06:08] <maney> HP inkjets are expensive to use.  :-(  maybe I should reconsider that used Magiccolor laser..
[06:08] <Danko123456> That s, if I figure out how to get the ink to go...
[06:08] <Danko123456> out..
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[06:09] <Danko123456> I should reconsider one that is exactly compatibl;e with Ubuntu...:)
[06:09] <davyd> maney: they work though
[06:09] <davyd> Danko123456: anything with HP on it is a good bet I've found
[06:09] <Danko123456> You think the head may really be dirty...
[06:09] <Danko123456> hehe, cool....
[06:09] <Danko123456> Invent...........:-!
[06:09] <davyd> everything else has caused me to hate it
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[06:09] <Danko123456> lol
[06:10] <davyd> especially Lexmark and Kyocera-Mita
[06:10] <maney> davyd: true, oh king!  and if I were getting another inkjet I'd pay that price to get the easy replacement of nozzles gummed up by dust/ink cement  :-(
[06:10] <Danko123456> I know how Im gonna try if its the printer or driver for the srewiness...
[06:11] <davyd> Danko123456: consulting linux-printing.org (sp?)
[06:11] <davyd> they will know all
[06:11] <Danko123456> Im gonna unplug the USB....
[06:11] <Danko123456> k Il try that too,...
[06:11] <maney> davyd: nope, they don't list the 3500
[06:11] <Danko123456> first Im gonna see if the lines(dirty head) are from driver or printer...
[06:11] <Danko123456> Its a copy machine so I think it should copy without the USB plugged in...
[06:12] <Danko123456> right?
[06:12] <maney> sounds good to me
[06:12] <davyd> maney: the Epson? it's vaguely like a 3200
[06:12] <davyd> I should document that I guess
[06:12] <maney> if you have one working with the driver, yep
[06:13] <KreacH> what is checkinstall ?
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[06:13] <Danko123456> CheckInstall keeps track of all the files created or
[06:13] <Danko123456> modified by your installation script ("make install"
[06:13] <Danko123456> "make install_modules", "setup", etc), builds a
[06:13] <Danko123456> standard binary package and installs it in your
[06:13] <Danko123456> system giving you the ability to uninstall it with your
[06:13] <Danko123456> distribution's standard package management utilities.
[06:13] <Danko123456> From the Synaptic Explanation...
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[06:14] <Danko123456> Does the driver go onto the printer, or is only used for computer-printer interaction?
[06:15] <KreacH> danko : so i should get it ?
[06:15] <Danko123456> I dont know much about stuff, I just copy pasted from Synaptic, their explanation about the program/command/whateverItIs...
[06:15] <Danko123456> I came for help here....sorry.
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[06:16] <Danko123456> davyd: I think my troubles are hardware rather than software...
[06:16] <davyd> Danko123456: computer printer
[06:16] <Danko123456> seems like it anyhow...
[06:16] <davyd> Danko123456: mmm, that's always hard to tell
[06:16] <davyd> unless you have something to use as a reference
[06:16] <davyd> have a Windows machine handy?
[06:16] <Danko123456> Cause I just made a copy of a page with text...
[06:16] <Danko123456> hehe
[06:17] <Danko123456> I wish...sometimes...
[06:17] <davyd> failing that, Epson do have a driver they supply for Linux/CUPS, but I haven't packaged it
[06:17] <Danko123456> I want to put Windows on my machine too...
[06:17] <Danko123456> So I can use .NET I have the installation CDs...
[06:17] <Danko123456> Kinda anyhow, Id like to learn .NET...
[06:18] <Danko123456> SOme stuf out of it anyhow...
[06:18] <Yannick_> hi guys, I have a question.
[06:18] <davyd> Danko123456: have you looked at Mono?
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[06:18] <Danko123456> I wanted to...I had not yet...
[06:18] <nash> hi all guys
[06:18] <Danko123456> Hi to everyone who said hi./
[06:18] <Danko123456> :)
[06:18] <enanos> hola
[06:18] <enanos> a todos
[06:18] <enanos> como estan
[06:18] <davyd> Danko123456: I once wrote a bit of C#, without any reference to how the language works
[06:18] <davyd> it was messy
[06:18] <Danko123456> hola a todos, bien y tu?
[06:18] <Danko123456> hehe
[06:19] <nash> listen...i'm experiencing a huge number of incoming hits
[06:19] <Danko123456> Yeah, I love that...
[06:19] <enanos> bien tambien gracias
[06:19] <Yannick_> when I try to install ubuntu, its failling to mount the / partition... but I created them with Partition Magic
[06:19] <nash> it started a couple of hours ago
[06:19] <Danko123456> just test all the time till it works...
[06:19] <Danko123456> :)
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[06:19] <davyd> Yannick_: is it formatted?
[06:19] <Yannick_> yes
[06:19] <Yannick_> ext3
[06:19] <mon> Yannick_: don't, use the program with the installer
[06:19] <shorty114> does ubuntu come with kde as a secondary windows manager?
[06:19] <mon> Yannick_: you can clear space for ubuntu with PM, but i'd leave the rest to the installer
[06:19] <davyd> shorty114: no, but you can install it out of Debian via Universe
[06:20] <shorty114> ok
[06:20] <nash> firestarter eats cpu usage till to 70% sometimes...
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[06:20] <nash> huge number of inbound hits
[06:20] <shorty114> another question: has anyone had experience with compiling mysql from source on ubuntu?
[06:20] <Yannick_> mon: I also tried to create partition with ubuntu installer, but it was falling also
[06:20] <shorty114> i'm getting a fatal error
[06:20] <mon> Yannick_: what do you mean failing?
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[06:21] <Yannick_> mon: you have 2 choice, automatic partitionning or manual, right?
[06:21] <mon> yea
[06:21] <Yannick_> mon: I choose manual, create my partition, / and swap
[06:21] <nash> guys anyone has idea why am i experiencing so high inbound hits number since a couple of hours ago?
[06:22] <davyd> nash: what sort of hits?
[06:22] <davyd> are you being portscanned?
[06:22] <Yannick_> mon: then when I select terminate partitioning, its goes on and says, fail to mount / on /dev/hd
[06:22] <davyd> /dev/hd ?
[06:23] <davyd> not /dev/hda1 or somesuch?
[06:23] <Yannick_> yes yes
[06:23] <Yannick_> that ain't the problem, I ain't no noob
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[06:23] <davyd> ok cool
[06:23] <davyd> you can never tell on this channel ;)
[06:24] <Yannick_> i'm just a ubuntu noob
[06:24] <Yannick_> ;-)
[06:24] <davyd> heh
[06:24] <Yannick_> but I can't install ubuntu
[06:24] <davyd> so I gathered
[06:24] <davyd> this is using the debian-installer partitioner dodad?
[06:25] <davyd> have you tried simply changing to vt2 and firing up fdisk ?
[06:25] <davyd> and having a poke?
[06:25] <davyd> Partition Magic may have done something magic to your disk label
[06:25] <davyd> you might have a Windows NT5 dynamic disk or something
[06:25] <davyd> which might confuse it a little
[06:26] <Yannick_> yeah, but there aren't any /mnt to mount my drive and my drive ain't in /dev from console
[06:26] <Yannick_> i know I can create /mnt... but its not in /dev
[06:26] <maney> what kind of drive is it?
[06:26] <Yannick_> ide
[06:27] <maney> is the controller recognized?
[06:27] <Yannick_> yes
[06:27] <Yannick_> yes since the partioner 'parted' sees everything just fine
[06:28] <davyd> how is parted accessing it?
[06:28] <maney> right.  so when/where do you not see them?
[06:28] <davyd> I've never trusted parted, its' damned magic
[06:28] <Yannick_> it just can't mount the damned drive
[06:28] <Yannick_> after partitionning
[06:28] <maney> did you say you interrupted formatting?
[06:28] <Yannick_> no
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[06:29] <Yannick_> I even tried to do all my partitionning with slackware 10 installer
[06:30] <Yannick_> still fail to mount / after setting the / partition to use as root drive
[06:30] <maney> IME it will work if you can do the partitioning and formatting trhoughthe installer.  it's a bit awkward if you're used to fdisk or older Debian installs, but it works.  getting it to use pre-prepared partitions has caused problems sometimes
[06:31] <Yannick_> so what should I use, free space
[06:31] <maney> that is to say, I have had installation failures when trying to force it
[06:31] <maney> if you can start that way, yeah, I'd give that a try
[06:32] <Yannick_> and I haven't seen any way to create swap partition, is it possible?
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[06:32] <davyd> Yannick_: yes
[06:32] <maney> sure.  create a partiiton, flag it for use as swap
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[06:32] <Yannick_> maney: how?
[06:32] <Yannick_> using fdisk afterward
[06:33] <maney> ah.  if you're doing manual partitioning, you have to set "use it as...", "format as..." and "mount ..." in the dialogs
[06:33] <gjc> lo, can someone give me a hint as to how to enable ssl in apache2?
[06:33] <maney> this is in "guided partitioning"
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[06:33] <Yannick_> i'll give this a try, talk to yall later
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[06:34] <maney> It's a bit too much tryingt o be a GUI interface in text mode
[06:35] <zerokarmaleft_> hmm...i'm having strange nvidia problems in warty...X just suddenly crashed and now it can't find the nvidia module even though lsmod says it's there
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[06:42] <Danko123456> Gotta hate that epson...:)
[06:42] <Danko123456> Ah, I guess its ok...
[06:43] <KreacH> so are there apt-get commands for every program out there ?
[06:43] <maney> for every program that's been packaged, yeah
[06:43] <KreacH> k
[06:44] <phyberoptix> apt-get install porn ?
[06:44] <maney> of course the package name isn't always the same as the program
[06:44] <KreacH> do u know if there is a package name for glftpd ?
[06:44] <phyberoptix> OoOo or proftp
[06:44] <davyd> KreacH: apt-cache search
[06:44] <phyberoptix> +d
[06:44] <davyd> and apt-cache show
[06:44] <davyd> and apt-cache policy
[06:45] <davyd> it's like freshmeat on your desktop
[06:45] <KreacH> y, i never used it before and started this morning with linux :P
[06:45] <maney> well.... sort of.  the descriptions tend to be limited  :-)
[06:45] <KreacH> hehe
[06:46] <KreacH> well in a few months i'm going to use debian, but for now ubuntu works fine !!
[06:46] <Stuttergart> how does one go about unmounting removeable media in Hoary? For instance, a thumbdrive. It doesn't show up on my desktop. :\
[06:46] <Danko123456> It seems that my printers head got clogged up...Im probably gonna have to go take it in somewhere...
[06:47] <davyd> I wouldn't bother with the debian on your desktop
[06:47] <davyd> Stuttergart: you can put them back on your desktop
[06:47] <davyd> or you can use something like the drivemount applet for your panel
[06:47] <davyd> Stuttergart: or open Computer:// and unmount it from there
[06:47] <Stuttergart> y, it doesn'
[06:47] <Stuttergart> t show up under Computer:// either
[06:48] <davyd> Stuttergart: is it mounted?
[06:48] <Stuttergart> yep
[06:49] <Stuttergart> doesn't show up in the drive mount applet either. :\
[06:49] <KreacH> well this is gonna be a server :P
[06:49] <Stuttergart> boy. I'm on a bug finding tear this morning. :\
[06:49] <davyd> Stuttergart: this implies that gnome-vfs doesn't know about it
[06:50] <Stuttergart> $ dpkg -l | grep gnome-vfs
[06:50] <Stuttergart> $
[06:50] <Stuttergart> hmm
[06:50] <davyd> interesting
[06:51] <sjoerd> it's libgnomevfs2-0, so that's not weird
[06:51] <davyd> Stuttergart: that's now that the package is called
[06:51] <davyd> it's libgnomevfs-2 or something
[06:51] <davyd> Stuttergart: plus, you have to have it to run GNOME
[06:51] <davyd> it's more likely going to be that it has an entry in /proc/mounts that gnome-vfs isn't interested in
[06:52] <davyd> I can't wait till we switch to the HAL backend
[06:52] <davyd> the UNIX backend is nasty as
[06:52] <Stuttergart> I thought Hoary was using hal?
[06:52] <davyd> not for gnome-vfs
[06:52] <davyd> it's highly experimental
[06:52] <davyd> also referred to as 'broken'
[06:52] <Stuttergart> from /proc/mounts:
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[06:53] <Stuttergart> /dev/sda1 /media/NO\040NAME
[06:53] <sjoerd> davyd: hoary is using hal afaik
[06:53] <Stuttergart> what do you want to be that \04 is causing issues?
[06:53] <sjoerd> Stuttergart: is it also in /etc/mtab
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[06:53] <maney> it's \040 - a space the hard way
[06:53] <davyd> sjoerd: ldd does not agree with you ;)
[06:53] <Stuttergart> I need to figure out a way to rename that volume and see if that helps.
[06:54] <Stuttergart> label the volume some how
[06:54] <davyd> Stuttergart: from memory, it needs the 'user' flag for gnome-vfs to display it
[06:55] <Stuttergart> well, that /dev/sdc is gettin generated by hotplug or something
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[06:55] <Stuttergart> it ain't in the fstab
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[06:56] <sjoerd> Stuttergart: fstab doesn't matter, mtab matters
[06:56] <davyd> Stuttergart: it wouldn't be
[06:56] <KreacH> speirs nederlander
[06:56] <Speirs> jep
[06:56] <Stuttergart> Y, I know.
[06:56] <davyd> sjoerd: I think /proc/mounts matters more
[06:56] <sjoerd> KreacH: niks mis met nederlanders ;)
[06:56] <Speirs> why KreacH ?
[06:56] <davyd> but I've forgotten the code pats
[06:56] <davyd> *paths
[06:56] <Stuttergart> I'm just saying that in order to add the 'user' flag I'm going to have to hack on hotplug I guess
[06:56] <Speirs> half belg hoor :P
[06:56] <KreacH> i saw it in ur adress :P
[06:57] <Stuttergart> so who here works for Canonical?
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[06:57] <Speirs> hehe
[06:57] <Speirs> pfoe
[06:57] <Speirs> my computer is very stabel(?) till now :)
[06:58] <Speirs> and I clocked my Memory @ 2-2-2-5 (:O) en FSB 180Mhz (H)
[06:58] <KreacH> stable, want el is altijd le in engels P
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[06:58] <Speirs> oja
[06:58] <Speirs> das waar
[06:58] <Speirs> :)
[06:58] <Speirs> KreacH
[06:58] <Speirs> waarom zit je niet in #ubuntu-nl ?
[06:58] <sjoerd> davyd: dunno if it reads /proc/mounts or /etc/mtab..
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[06:58] <davyd> sjoerd: both I think
[06:59] <davyd> sjoerd: it's nasty code
[06:59] <davyd> I learnt that when I had to fix it misunderstanding bind mounts
[06:59] <davyd> and messing up udec
[06:59] <davyd> *udev
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[07:01] <sjoerd> davyd: from the code it looks like only one of the two, but it depends on some defines which one..
[07:01] <sjoerd> davyd: so if it's both in mtab en mounts your always okay :)
[07:01] <davyd> sjoerd: mmm
[07:02] <sladen> mtab is normally a symlink to  /proc/self/mounts
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[07:02] <davyd> sladen: on what?
[07:02] <davyd> since mount likes to write to mtab, that's not a crash hot idea
[07:02] <davyd> also, it means that mount can store information that /proc/mounts does not
[07:02] <maney> okay, I'm about to give up.  does the "sound recorder" app work under any circumstances?
[07:03] <davyd> maney: unlikely
[07:03] <maney> okay.  how would I get it removed form the menu?
[07:03] <maximaus> maney, try Audacity, it's a pretty good simple sound recording type app.
[07:03] <maney> silly me, I thought that since it's installed by default it might be useful
[07:04] <davyd> maney: it's quasi-neglected gnome-media
[07:04] <maximaus> consider it a placeholder for a useful app to come. :P
[07:05] <Quenyar> followed java install procedure from wikki and no change in result.  Java VM does not open.  One thing that might be going on... when I open certain applications from the command line, I get "Error: No running window found"
[07:05] <maney> what about totem?  will it ever become useful, or will it always be free but ineffectual?
[07:06] <davyd> totem works great
[07:06] <maximaus> Totem works great for me--especially if you install the codecs from the Mplayer site.
[07:06] <davyd> install totem-xine
[07:06] <Poprocks> maney, it works great when built against xine
[07:06] <sladen> maney: if you install the necessary 'illegal' bits, you'll find Totem ''is useful''
[07:06] <Stuttergart> man hotplug is such an undocumented tangle of scripts. :/
[07:06] <Poprocks> gstreamer is still lacking for video
[07:06] <davyd> and w32codecs from Christian Marillat
[07:06] <Poprocks> I usually just install mplayer with the gui though... so much less hassle
[07:07] <maximaus> sudo apt-get install totem-xine and  you're done'
[07:07] <maney> totem-xine = crash, or maybe it just didn't play DVDs - I forget which failed attempt was which.  xine-ui Just Works, done
[07:07] <davyd> maney: nutty, works for me ;)
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[07:07] <maney> well, plus libdvdcss, butOfCOurse I always have to install that off the record  ;-)
[07:07] <Poprocks> just be happy you have a dvd-rom drive ;-)
[07:08] <maney> maybe totem-xine was the one that crahsed if full-screened
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[07:08] <maney> heh - it's not really for me, it's my wife's new machine
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[07:09] <maney> for the most part Ubuntu has been a great choice for that, but there are a couple of parts that were just bloody awful
[07:09] <maximaus> You got linux running on your wife?
[07:09] <Danko123456> Ha! I got the printer's head clean...
[07:10] <maney> sure.  I migrated her off Windows years ago.  she's been on Debian, but wanted more of the fancy stuff that Ubuntu seems to support better
[07:10] <Danko123456> Just keeping you up to fate....
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[07:10] <Danko123456> date...
[07:10] <sladen> maney: if you tell people, I'm sure they'd like to improve the bits you're finding 'bloody awful'
[07:10] <Danko123456> Lets see how a test page works now...
[07:11] <Danko123456> Hey, how can you kill a printing process?
[07:11] <Danko123456> lpr -kill?
[07:11] <Danko123456> or sthg...
[07:11] <davyd> "I run linux on my wife, since then she's been more secure and easy to update. However she's hard to use, and there is no support for her accessories"
[07:11] <davyd> Danko123456: lprm
[07:11] <Danko123456> thanks
[07:11] <sladen> Danko123456: lprm  or such the GUI
[07:11] <Quenyar> Any suggestions about getting this virtual machine installer to run?  I followed the procedure for installing java in the Wikki
[07:11] <maney> I understand they're working on getting something that works to replace buggyzilla - after that I might be able to do more than write email to lists that I no longer have the time to pretend to follow
[07:12] <Danko123456> Does the printing screen always crash on you guys too?
[07:12] <davyd> what's wrong with bugzilla?
[07:12] <maney> it sucks, davyd
[07:12] <davyd> maney: I like it
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[07:12] <Danko123456> I always have to force it to quit...
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[07:13] <maney> it rarely finds anything for me except when it decides to show me about 50% of everything.  oddly, it did turn up some bugs against the useless sound app.  they were all referred to upstream, viz., ignored
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[07:14] <Danko123456> Hey, davyd, I got ther printer to work, almost perfect...
[07:14] <Danko123456> hehe
[07:14] <Danko123456> Not that I did much
[07:14] <maney> anyway, speaking of not having time to spend on things, I ought to be getting on
[07:14] <Danko123456> It was hardware after all.
[07:15] <Danko123456> Still some head clog
[07:15] <Danko123456> But I dont mind...cause I relaly use the printer only for printing documents, like text, ebooks and stuff
[07:15] <Danko123456> Thanks for the help.
[07:16] <maximaus> Danko123456, what kind of printer is it?
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[07:16] <Danko123456> Its a CX5400 Stylus...
[07:16] <Danko123456> Its an all-in-one...
[07:16] <maximaus> does "everything" work?
[07:16] <Danko123456> The printing and scanning works through the computer, the copying works by itself I think.
[07:16] <Danko123456> I have not tried the scanning yet
[07:17] <Danko123456> What do you think should I try it?
[07:17] <Danko123456> :)
[07:17] <maximaus> I just got turned onto turboprint--the german company that writes proprietary drivers for linux
[07:17] <Danko123456> Mybe Ill give the heads one more cleaning.
[07:17] <Danko123456>  I just got turned onto " I dont understand your concept...
[07:17] <davyd> daniels: I wrote about the scanning
[07:18] <davyd> err, Danko123456
[07:18] <Danko123456> Hehe
[07:18] <Danko123456> tahts koool
[07:18] <davyd> you'll need the sane-epkowa driver, which I packaged
[07:18] <Danko123456> on your blog/page thing?
[07:18] <davyd> it took me a while to nut it out ;)
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[07:18] <davyd> yeah
[07:19] <Danko123456> Again I cant find it
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[07:19] <Danko123456> Should I include something in my apt-get
[07:19] <Danko123456> like some multiverse
[07:19] <Danko123456> or sthg like theat?
[07:19] <Danko123456> maximaus: I dont understand what you mean when you say, turned onto...
[07:20] <maximaus> Ohmer, I mean I was made aware of.
[07:20] <Danko123456> I always have to force close the printer thing from sys preferencxes...
[07:20] <Danko123456> Oh...
[07:20] <Danko123456> Cool.
[07:20] <davyd> hmm, it's 2.20am, and I'm meant to be going into work tomorrow
[07:20] <davyd> and my laptop isn't finished reinstalling
[07:21] <davyd> but hopefully it will have, my homedir is downloading onto it, which is a start
[07:21] <phyberoptix> well i was upgradin g to hoary one morning and went to sleep
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[07:21] <phyberoptix> when i woke up i had to reinstall
[07:21] <phyberoptix> it went all to fucking shit and i wont ever know why
[07:21] <davyd> I'm sure it will go fine
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[07:22] <davyd> or I will render it useless
[07:22] <davyd> either or
[07:22] <maximaus> phyberoptix, did you read the logs. ;)
[07:22] <Stuttergart> okay, so I reset the volume name on the thumb drive to remove the space but that didn't help. gnome-vfs still isn't showing the volume on the desktop.
[07:22] <Stuttergart> Although it does pop up a nautilus window.
[07:22] <davyd> if I have to, I'll rsync my debian install back on there, and use that some more
[07:22] <Danko123456> haha
[07:22] <Danko123456>  phyberoptix:haha
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[07:23] <Danko123456> GO to sleep davyd
[07:23] <Danko123456> see ya
[07:23] <Danko123456> thanks
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[07:24] <leuce> G'day ppl
[07:24] <Danko123456> hi
[07:24] <Danko123456> :)
[07:24] <leuce> I'm trying the Ubuntu live CD and I can't figure out how to set up an internet dial-up connection.  Got any useful URL's for me?
[07:25] <maximaus> Ohmer, I did that
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[07:25] <maximaus> use "sudo pppconfig" at the command line
[07:25] <leuce> Tx madimaus... I'll try it.
[07:25] <maximaus> Then tell the modem-lights applet to "pon provider" or "poff provider"
[07:25] <maximaus> :D
[07:26] <Danko123456> :X
[07:26] <Danko123456> :)
[07:26] <phyberoptix> all i did was type /sbin/dhclient
[07:26] <maximaus> provider=name of your connection of course ;)
[07:26] <Danko123456> get it?
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[07:26] <El_Che> any experience with the d-link dwl-g650 wifi card and wpa (by wpa_supplicant)? non encryted open connection works out of the box, but don't seem to get the wpa up. Does the madwifi driver for this card support wpa-psk in ubuntu?
[07:26] <leuce> Next question:  how can I use the live CD but still keep my settings?  Can I save my setup somewhere on the hard drive for when I use Ubuntu next time?
[07:27] <phyberoptix> why not install ubuntu?
[07:28] <Danko123456> later folks
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[07:29] <leuce> Phyber... I'm running a W2000 box with some critical stuff on it, on a dual boot system with RedHat 8 (which I almost never use), and I'd like to start using Ubuntu before I've had a chance to backup my files in case Ubuntu's setup erases my Windows partitions.
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[07:29] <phyberoptix> backup the files
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[07:29] <phyberoptix> deletle redhat (for god sakes)
[07:29] <leuce> I'll prolly experienent with some empty HD space and then overwrite RedHat with Ubuntu.
[07:30] <phyberoptix> REDHAT blows nuts
[07:30] <phyberoptix> speshully 8
[07:30] <phyberoptix> i used 8 like 3 years ago
[07:30] <maximaus> leuce, Ubuntu is pretty good at recognizing windows partitions and creating the appropriate grub entry--you need to run the advanced partitioner in the installer.
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[07:30] <maximaus> still backup=good
[07:30] <leuce> I'm using 8 because I wanted to try CrossoverOffice and I've heard that 9 has issues with the demo version of COO, see.
[07:30] <marjorie> has anyone had a problem with usb floppys?
[07:30] <marjorie> when i insert a disk inb mine
[07:30] <jacobat> leuce: Did you check out openoffice?
[07:31] <marjorie> it mounts it again and again
[07:31] <phyberoptix> floppy drives are overrated
[07:31] <maximaus> leuce, I'm using CXoffice under Ubuntu just fine w/ Photoshop.
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[07:31] <marjorie> phyberoptix+ agreed but necessary
[07:31] <phyberoptix> redhat8 blows nuts
[07:31] <phyberoptix> thats the worse thing you can use
[07:31] <phyberoptix> you have ssh or telnet open?
[07:32] <marjorie> when i put a disk in a usb floppy it gets mounted over and over again....
[07:32] <leuce> jaco... I use OpenOffice format when translating PowerPoint file (I'm a translator, see).  For other stuff, I need MS Word because I'm using Wordfast, which is written in VB and doesn't run on OOo, and there's nothing remotely similar in either OOo for Win or any other Linux office application.
[07:32] <leuce> The closest thing is OmegaT, written in Java, which imports OOo directly.
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[07:32] <lajava> Hi. Is there a Shockwave plugin that runs in ubuntu??
[07:33] <nordle> Is there a repositry for KDE?  Which gui iptable firewall builder do people use?  Usually I would go with guarddog, but there are no .deb packages on my current rep and source wont compile (moaning about /lib/cpp which is installed)
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[07:33] <phyberoptix> open office has sumtin in comparison to everything office xp has
[07:35] <Poprocks> nordle, use universe repo
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[07:35] <Poprocks> (for kde)
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[07:36] <Danko123456> So does nayone know which feature of the printer I should tweak, so that the printouts are like draft in windows.?
[07:36] <leuce> phyber... OOo also has a macro language, but there's no VB->OOo filter yet.
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[07:37] <Danko123456> So does nayone know which feature of the printer I should tweak, so that the printouts are like draft in windows.?
[07:37] <leuce> danko, you could use a very old cartridge (sorry, joke)
[07:37] <Danko123456> The saturation
[07:37] <Danko123456> ?
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[07:37] <Poprocks> Danko123456, System -> System Settings -> Printing
[07:37] <Danko123456> k what there?
[07:37] <Danko123456> prefs of the printer....
[07:37] <Danko123456> then which?
[07:37] <Poprocks> right click on your printer, click properties -- use advanced tab
[07:38] <Danko123456> Yup
[07:38] <marjorie> how can i stop automount mounting a particualr usb device?
[07:38] <Poprocks> Resolution, Quality....
[07:38] <Poprocks> use that dropdown
[07:38] <Danko123456> K, so how low can I go?
[07:38] <Poprocks> I dunno.  Depends on the driver, etc
[07:38] <Poprocks> you can go as low as you want
[07:38] <Poprocks> I usually find the defaults acceptable
[07:39] <Danko123456> My defaults are too expensive:)
[07:39] <Poprocks> but there should be a draft option or two (or three, 4..)
[07:39] <Danko123456> on te ink, that is...
[07:39] <Danko123456> :)
[07:39] <Danko123456> I have one, I just found it...
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[07:39] <Danko123456> Does your printing crash every time?
[07:39] <marjorie> anyone know about automount?
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[07:39] <Danko123456> so you have t force close it?
[07:39] <Poprocks> daniels, no.
[07:39] <Poprocks> err
[07:39] <Poprocks> Danko123456, no.
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[07:40] <Poprocks> Danko123456, it works fine here.
[07:40] <Danko123456> Mine does, and why does everyone call me daniels?
[07:40] <Danko123456> what do you think anyhow...
[07:40] <Poprocks> Danko123456, because they type "dan" and hit tab
[07:40] <Poprocks> and I comes before K
[07:40] <Danko123456> oh, I dont know much about how IRC works, havent used it since like 6 years ago or sthg...
[07:40] <Danko123456> so there is a daniels...
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[07:40] <Danko123456> :)
[07:40] <Danko123456> k thnaks,.
[07:41] <scoon> yo, yo, yo
[07:41] <Danko123456> How about reverse order for printing you think it has that?
[07:41] <scoon> what's up party people ?!
[07:41] <Danko123456> :)
[07:42] <scoon> so i moved along to hoary.  it is nice so far.
[07:42] <Danko123456> MAkes me force quit it every time...
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[07:42] <scoon> the shat that is broke is really minor
[07:42] <Danko123456> Good for you.
[07:42] <scoon> all tho
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[07:43] <Danko123456> k later.
[07:43] <scoon> i found the better way to do it is by doing a dist-upgrade
[07:43] <Danko123456> gotta go to work...
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[07:43] <scoon> not just plain old upgrade.
[07:43] <KreacH> where can i see if i use warthy or hoary ?
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[07:43] <KreacH> i don't know for sure :P
[07:43] <scoon> KreacH, well for starters your repositories would be an indicator
[07:44] <KreacH> and where are those ?
[07:44] <scoon> KreacH, did you just download the install disc
[07:44] <scoon> KreacH, if so, then you are running warty.
[07:44] <KreacH> y and then updated
[07:45] <KreacH> so after update it is still warty ?
[07:45] <KreacH> should i upgrade ?
[07:45] <scoon> KreacH, yes.
[07:45] <scoon> KreacH, have you run linux for long ?
[07:45] <KreacH> first time today
[07:45] <scoon> KreacH, my yes was for the "yes, you are still warty"
[07:45] <KreacH> i got a second pc which i can experiment on
[07:45] <scoon> KreacH, NO do not upgrade.
[07:46] <calc> http://rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33779480 <- interesting issue with ati drivers
[07:46] <KreacH> k
[07:46] <scoon> KreacH, learn to use a nice and wonderfully stable distro.
[07:46] <KreacH> i thought this was stable :S
[07:46] <scoon> KreacH, for what it is worth, linux has been my ONLY OS since 1998.
[07:46] <KreacH> hehe i play 2 much games :P
[07:46] <scoon> KreacH, ubuntu has been the BEST distro I have run yet.
[07:46] <scoon> KreacH, do what I do -> get PS2
[07:47] <KreacH> i have it and a xcube
[07:47] <KreacH> but how am i going to play wow on a ps2 :P
[07:47] <scoon> KreacH, well there you go.  no need for winhell
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[07:47] <KreacH> i kinda like windows, cuz i've been working with it for years
[07:47] <scoon> KreacH, i have pity for you.
[07:47] <scoon> :)
[07:48] <quake> lol
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[07:49] <KreacH> hmmm there aint no ops in this channel :S
[07:50] <KreacH> does freenode have chanserv ?
[07:50] <Kamion> KreacH: yes
[07:50] <Kamion> there are people here with the ability to gain operator privileges if required
[07:50] <cartman> KreacH: /whois Chanserv
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[07:54] <joana_> hi
[07:54] <joana_> i need help
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[07:54] <quake> Does anyone know how to have a dual Monitor setup with 2 video cards? One AGP and the other PCI
[07:55] <joana_> i dont, sorry
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[07:55] <joana_> i want connect to spanish server, and i dont know
[07:56] <arctick> joana: learn spanish?
[07:56] <joana_> no, i am spanish girl
[07:56] <joana_> and my english is not very well
[07:57] <joana_> learn english XDD
[07:57] <arctick> seems reasonablt good to me
[07:57] <arctick> blah, even better than mine maybee :o
[07:57] <joana_> i want connect to irc.hispano
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[07:58] <arctick> joana: are you using Xchat?
[07:58] <joana_> yep
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[07:59] <arctick> type /server irc.hispano.thetopleveldomain, where thetopleveldomain is .net .org etc
[08:00] <arctick> or click on Xchat->Server List->Edit mode then you can add it to the list
[08:00] <ArCHonKoG> tryin to get plugin for mp3 for xmms in hoary
[08:00] <ArCHonKoG> any ideas
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[08:00] <guest_> help my Xine is crashing and logging me off on ubuntu..?
[08:00] <arctick> guest: easiest solution, try another media player
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[08:01] <Poprocks> ArCHonKoG, you're still using xmms?
[08:01] <guest_> i got the ubuntu guide html....try another media player huh...
[08:01] <ArCHonKoG> Poprocks, trying to
[08:02] <jacobat> How do I get a bigger resolution for my X server? I've only selected 1024 during install but I need 1152?
[08:02] <guest_> what media player should i try?
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[08:02] <jtapper> mplayer
[08:02] <Poprocks> ArCHonKoG, try the xmms-mad package
[08:02] <ArCHonKoG> jtapper, i can't get mplayer on hoary
[08:03] <jtapper> okay, my bad
[08:03] <guest_> Package mplayer has no installation candidate?
[08:03] <Poprocks> ArCHonKoG, if you want mplayer I"d recommend compiling it
[08:03] <jtapper> no, compile your own
[08:03] <Poprocks> ArCHonKoG, but if you want an awesome music player, use Rhythmbox
[08:03] <cholo> ArCHonKoG: add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:03] <cholo> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[08:04] <cholo> ArCHonKoG: gets you mplayer
[08:04] <ArCHonKoG> cholo, for hoary ?
[08:04] <Poprocks> ArCHonKoG, they're actually debian sid packs, but they should work on hoary.
[08:05] <arctick> they do, i installed mplayer from there
[08:05] <guest_> is there a GUI mplayer i don't want a text based mplayer?
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[08:05] <arctick> yup
[08:05] <cartman> guest_: gmplayer, kplayer, kmplayer ...
[08:05] <cholo> guest_: gmplayer, comes there too
[08:05] <jtapper> yes there is
[08:05] <Poprocks> but get a custom skin for gmplayer.. Blue is fugly
[08:06] <jtapper> i agree
[08:06] <guest_> i need the source lists for players?
[08:06] <arctick> agreed here as well
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[08:06] <leuce> G'day again ppl
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[08:06] <Poprocks> guest_, you're adding an external repo
[08:06] <ulx> he guys.. is there no way to use totom for this.. sofar i have not been able to play anything with it..
[08:06] <Poprocks> ulx, totem-xine
[08:07] <Poprocks> ulx, and get the binary codecs
[08:07] <guest_> can totem play DVDs?
[08:07] <ArCHonKoG> cholo, no public key not vaild
[08:07] <leuce> Still trying to dialup using Ubuntu.  Next question... Ubuntu's pppconfig wants to know what my primary DNS is, but under Windows that setting is determined automatically *after* I've dialled up.  Any ideas?
[08:07] <Poprocks> guest_, yes.
[08:07] <arctick> totem is the rocks
[08:07] <cholo> ArCHonKoG: I get that error too, but it should work the same
[08:07] <guest_> hold on let me try it...please wait...
[08:08] <cartman> leuce: dnsondemand config option afaik check man
[08:08] <cartman> s//.
[08:08] <leuce> tx cartman
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[08:09] <jtapper> I'm wondering about these mp3-licence issues. WHY couldn't mp3-support be included in Ubuntu by default? I would certainly ease up the installation procedure.
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[08:09] <guest_> Totem cannot play this type of media (tmw_aspect_ratio_square_menu_item) because you do not have the appropriate plugins to handle it.
[08:09] <guest_> Please install the necessary plugins and restart Totem to be able to play this media.
[08:09] <Poprocks> jtapper, I totally agree, but there's some kind of stupid patent issue or something
[08:09] <joana_> why i see the automatic messajes in spanish?
[08:09] <jtapper> this is what I am talking about ;)
[08:09] <ulx> so.. and howto on integrating xine in totem?
[08:10] <Poprocks> ulx, uh, apt-get install totem-xine ?
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[08:10] <drspin> jtapper: because the current law for patenting didn't expect a boom in computer tehnology ;)
[08:10] <drspin> law = plural (laws)
[08:11] <jtapper> what about a simple script that would install support, it should be legal, right?
[08:11] <jacobat> How do I get my system to use the 1152 resolution? It's there in the XF86Config file, but not in the "computer -> system configuration -> screen resolution" menu
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[08:11] <pc_> does the livecd have tv-out support out of teh box?
[08:12] <paulproteus> teh
[08:12] <ulx> that simple eh? 8-) do i need to apt-get the codecs separately?
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[08:12] <ArCHonKoG> how someone tell why when i do apt-get update i get the bs cd error saying about warty not in or something
[08:12] <drspin> and I suppose that the people running our country at that time were mostly old men that "used to use a punchcard" and couldn't warm up to the Personal Computer concept
[08:12] <ubuntu> hi, is it possible to umount cdrom without ejecting
[08:13] <jtapper> umount /dev/cdrom ?
[08:13] <cholo> ubuntu: umount /cdrom on a terminal
[08:13] <zenwhen> yes
[08:13] <ubuntu> oh yeah but is there a way to do that from the GUI
[08:14] <ubuntu> or shouldn't there be?
[08:14] <cholo> ubuntu: if yer not ejecting the thing, there's no need to unmount it
[08:14] <calamari_> you can set up a shortcut to it or whatever it's called in gnome
[08:14] <ubuntu> yes there is
[08:14] <joana_> hay algun espaol entre vosotros?
[08:14] <drspin> ubuntu:  open xterm and type "sudo umount /cdrom" ;)
[08:14] <ubuntu> sometimes you might need to erase a cdrw for example
[08:14] <cartman> joana_: /charset utf-8
[08:14] <arctick> applications->run->umount ...
[08:14] <joana_> my english is not very well, and i lost
[08:15] <cholo> ubuntu: if you really need it, I guess you could add it from gconf editor
[08:15] <ulx> is there a spanish channel for ubuntu..?
[08:15] <cholo> joana_: yo hablo espaol
[08:15] <cholo> #ubuntu-es
[08:16] <joana_> ok, thanks!!
[08:16] <drspin> anyone interested in helping me solve some audio configuration issues? solving my
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[08:17] <jtapper> drspin: what kind of issues?
[08:17] <arctick> is there a dutch ubuntu chan somewheres?
[08:17] <ulx> although not directly ubuntu related.. anyone experienced in nfs?
[08:17] <arctick> i don't really speak much dutch yet, met ik ben leering een boek op het
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[08:17] <andril> hello all
[08:18] <andril> I need major help
[08:19] <jtapper> enlighten us
[08:19] <drspin> jtapper: what is my Video Capture card getting /dev/dsp instead of my Sound card which is /dev/dsp1
[08:19] <andril> I was testing out Apache on my Ubuntu PC and screwed up my DNS for my website,FTP AND MAIL SERVER - can some one help?
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[08:19] <andril> jtapper: is there a way to reverse it?
[08:19] <drspin> arctic: My dick been leering and back off it?
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[08:20] <drspin> jtapper: what=why
[08:20] <andril> jtapper: can I turn off Apache?
[08:20] <jtapper> andril: surely
[08:20] <andril> great!!!!
[08:21] <drspin> arctick: translation "My dick been leering and back off it" ?
[08:21] <zenwhen> huh
[08:21] <arctick> "my dick is reading ..."???
[08:21] <zenwhen> its getting weird in here :o
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[08:22] <arctick> and it would be more like "mijn 'dick' is leering" not that you care
[08:22] <jtapper> drspin: sorry, i don't know
[08:22] <ubuntu> Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Permission denied)... retrying in 1 second. I get this when do a cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI. Am I missing a module or something?
[08:23] <ubuntu> atapi cdrw
[08:23] <drspin> arctick:  LOL - say out loud what you just wrote, in dutch I think, fast... I'm trying to figure out what it means...
[08:24] <drspin> arctick: or at least what those middle words could be ?
[08:24] <paulproteus> ubuntu: Drop the 'dev=' bit while you scanbus.
[08:24] <arctick> drs: "ik ben leering een boek op het" roughly means "im reading a book on it" but "op" is probably not the right word because it literally means "on" as in on top
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[08:26] <ubuntu> paulproteus, but I have a ide cdrw, and dropping dev bit simply give no results
[08:26] <stvn> arctick: er... leering??
[08:26] <drspin> arctick: If you say it fast in English and don't know a bit of dutch, it could be misconstrued to be something similar to what I wrote earlier... LOL
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[08:27] <arctick> hmm, i think, as i said i am just begining to learn, my vocabulary is shit
[08:27] <ubuntu> cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdc blank=fast works though :)
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[08:28] <paulproteus> ubuntu: Okay, so you no longer need to scanbus. then? :)
[08:28] <arctick> acording to babelfish the word should hav been lezing
[08:28] <ubuntu> I wanted to edit the relevant lines in /etc/cdrecord/cdrecord
[08:28] <ik5pvx> anyone else noticed that portmap listens on * despite being told "-i 127.0.0.1" in /etc/default ?
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[08:29] <stvn> arctick: still wrong though
[08:29] <arctick> stvn: what should it be?
[08:29] <stvn> the verb is lezen, I read  = ik lees
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[08:30] <drspin> arctick: babelfish is good enough for government work :)
[08:30] <stvn> drspin: what government would that be?
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[08:31] <arctick> babelfish is nice but i try not to trust it, it dosnt take context into consideration
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[08:31] <arctick> i need a good enlish-dutch dutch-english dictionary but cant find one anywhere
[08:31] <stvn> arctick: euroglot is ok
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[08:31] <guest_> totem-xine works but in normal mode it has purple glitch..
[08:32] <arctick> stvn:thanks, i shall check it out
[08:32] <stvn> and there's one in ubuntu, never tried it though
[08:32] <drspin> stvn: it was a joke... I was poking fun at the US Government... which I wouldn't put it past them to use Babelfish... somewhere
[08:32] <stvn> drspin: heh
[08:32] <arctick> lol, or even an atlas
[08:33] <stvn> the US government is good!!
[08:33] <guest_> i can't get mplayer from apt-get?
[08:33] <stvn> <that'll keep their attention away from here>
[08:33] <stvn> guest_: you need marillat repositories
[08:33] <arctick> euroglot is definitely getting a bookmark
[08:33] <stvn> guest_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:33] <drspin> stve: LOL - so true!
[08:34] <stvn> guest_: the bit on DVDCSS has info on mplayer
[08:35] <wannes> is there an on-line euroglot?
[08:35] <stvn> there used to be
[08:35] <wannes> sorry
[08:35] <wannes> stupid question :)
[08:35] <stvn> i even had a firefox search engine for it
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[08:36] <wannes> should be, is there a free unlimited online euroglot
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[08:36] <stvn> never came across a limit
[08:36] <drspin> where can I get some free 3D games for linux?
[08:37] <da_bon_bon> google
[08:37] <cholo> drspin: http://www.happypenguin.org/     http://www.linuxgames.com/
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[08:37] <stvn> drspin: ET
[08:37] <wezzer-> drspin: http://linuxgames.com/
[08:38] <drspin> stvn: ET ?
[08:38] <wezzer-> enemy territory?
[08:38] <stvn> xr
[08:38] <guest_> libdvdcss2
[08:39] <stvn> drspin: return to castle wolfenstein enemy territory
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[08:39] <drspin> LOL - I have RTCW :)
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[08:39] <Josip> hey everybody , is Ubuntu Backports down ?
[08:40] <Josip> when i try <apt-get upgrade> i get W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net warty-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net_ubuntu_dists_warty-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[08:40] <Josip> the server is down, or ?
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[08:41] <Josip> trying to install monodevelop btw .
[08:41] <guest_> apt-get install mplayer.  wants me to download a package.
[08:41] <paulproteus> Josip: Two things:
[08:41] <paulproteus> First of all, make sure your line says "http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu" not "http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/" , as per the instructions on the front page.
[08:41] <paulproteus> Secondly, Josip, you must run 'apt-get update' before doing apt-get upgrade.
[08:42] <Josip> deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe
[08:42] <Josip> that's the line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:42] <Josip> i've done an apt-get before .
[08:42] <paulproteus> Josip: /me nods
[08:43] <paulproteus> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/warty-backports/main/binary-i386/ seems to be there.
[08:43] <guest_> its only for woody
[08:43] <paulproteus> There's only Packages.gz, not Packages.  I wonder if that's okay.
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[08:43] <paulproteus> Josip: What happens when you do 'apt-get update'?
[08:43] <muempf> hello, everyone
[08:43] <Josip> i've pasted the line
[08:43] <Josip> the first one
[08:44] <paulproteus> Josip: Are you sure you're not confusing that with 'apt-get upgrade'?
[08:44] <Josip> okay okay
[08:44] <Josip> i've done upgrade instead of update ( :D )
[08:44] <muempf> could someone help me with a x-server problem
[08:44] <Josip> stupid me .
[08:44] <guest_> apt-get install can't find mplayer plugins?
[08:44] <paulproteus> Josip: No problem.  Glad to help. :)
[08:44] <Josip> thanks .
[08:44] <scoon> muempf, don't ask to ask, just ask the ?
[08:44] <lordan> muempf, what is the problem
[08:44] <paulproteus> While we're here, consider using Synaptic.
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[08:45] <paulproteus> Synaptic's "refresh" button and GUI make it hard to confuse. :)
[08:45] <muempf> if have upped the XF error log  and the XFconfig here http://nopaste.php-q.net/105022 and http://nopaste.php-q.net/105023
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[08:46] <Josip> i don't use Synaptic ;-)
[08:46] <paulproteus> Josip: Well, maybe you should!
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[08:46] <Josip> ;-)
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[08:47] <ubuntu> am I doing something missing or are there really so little number of packages in ubuntu compared to debian?
[08:47] <ArCHonKoG> someone come to flood so some can see this error i get
[08:48] <Josip> can all .deb packages be used on Ubuntu ?
[08:48] <guest_> hello, need help with media player for ubuntu?
[08:48] <Zindar> ubuntu: unless you turn on "universe" it is not many
[08:48] <Josip> i mean and the Debian ones .
[08:48] <Zindar> compared
[08:48] <Zindar> Josip: not safetly no
[08:48] <Josip> guest_, video or audio player ?
[08:48] <guest_> video
[08:48] <guest_> DVD?
[08:48] <Josip> Zindar, thanks .
[08:48] <ArCHonKoG> did anyone see it
[08:48] <Josip> just was curious .
[08:48] <lordan> Has anybody running Hoary experienced problems with OpenOffice of late?
[08:49] <raan> how to set up root password?
[08:49] <adnans> it looks kinda grey
[08:49] <lordan> To be specific: problems relating to Gnome integration??
[08:49] <lordan> Or at least so I guess..
[08:49] <guest_> i download totem-xine and it only works in full screen.  i want to try mplayer but apt-get can't find files and Xine crashes and logs me off.
[08:50] <Kamion> raan: sudo passwd root, plus see the FAQ
[08:50] <ubuntu> Zindar, am I prompt on the number of packages? 4455 is the number according to apt-cache
[08:50] <raan> thanx!
[08:50] <Josip> guest_, try these repositories http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[08:50] <scoon> muempf, sorry i don't use touchpad but maybe this would help you: http://kerneltrap.org/node/1582?PHPSESSID=ad4b050662d1842f01a169e1939220d9
[08:50] <Josip> i'm sure that you can find MPlayer there
[08:51] <wannes> mplayer is at ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[08:51] <wannes> get the sarge packages ...
[08:51] <lordan> Is anybody using openoffice.org-gnomevfs?
[08:51] <wannes> yes
[08:51] <wannes> as in "I installed it"
[08:52] <muempf> i dont think, that touchpad is the troublemaker
[08:52] <lordan> OK, are you able to save documents?
[08:52] <guest_> how can i auto start firestarter during login?
[08:52] <lordan> That is, w/o OpenOffice crashing?
[08:52] <stuNNed> is mplayer still broken in hoary?
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[08:53] <wannes> lordan: new documents or re-save older documents?
[08:54] <wannes> old: yes, but with an error
[08:54] <guest_> i'm at the mplayer website which files do i need to download?
[08:54] <wannes> new: error and then OOo locks up
[08:54] <Josip> .deb ones ;-)
[08:54] <lordan> wannes, any
[08:54] <Josip> wannes, describe the error .
[08:54] <wannes> I'l make a screenshot ...
[08:55] <lordan> If you run from a terminal do you get errors from gnomevfs?
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[08:56] <Zindar> ubuntu: I have 14152 in my ubuntu-list
[08:56] <ArCHonKoG> why when i open spm i get the following problems on your systemis about warty but i upgraded to hoary
[08:56] <Zindar> :)
[08:56] <ubuntu> Zindar, including non-official repositories?
[08:56] <lordan> My guess is uninstalling openoffice.org-gnomevfs will solve the problem..
[08:57] <wannes> http://users.telenet.be/planneke/error.png
[08:57] <wannes> (its in dutch)
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[08:57] <gobeavs> is mplayer the best multimedia player?
[08:57] <gobeavs> do-all
[08:57] <wannes> yes! :)
[08:58] <guest_> apt-get can't find mplayer?????
[08:58] <lordan> I prefer mplayer..
[08:58] <paulproteus> xine the best player; mplayer the best swiss-army knife.
[08:58] <Josip> have you installed openoffice.org-gnomevfs from a .deb package ?
[08:58] <Zindar> ubuntu: yes... but not many.... just some backported firefox and stuff
[08:58] <wannes> Josip: yes
[08:58] <wannes> apt-get installed ooo-gnomevfs
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[08:58] <Josip> wannes, maybe the package problems
[08:58] <Josip> ooh .
[08:58] <gobeavs> is there any repositories I need for it? I got the debian m--- testing and stable repositories, but synaptic says a bunch of the dependencies can't be installed
[08:58] <Zindar> guest_: make sure you have univese and multiverse turned on
[08:58] <stvn> guest_: did you read the webpage i gave you?
[08:59] <muempf> i think, this line is the problem " 640 | (WW) RADEON(0): Failed to set up write-combining range (0xd8000000,0x4000000) "
[08:59] <Josip> gobeavs, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[08:59] <guest_> yes but it can't install any of those
[08:59] <ubuntu> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted is the only repository I have
[08:59] <gobeavs> josip: thanks
[08:59] <ubuntu> and it shows 4500 packages
[08:59] <Josip> there's a list of unofficial repositoies .
[09:00] <gobeavs> josip: and one of those will have the stuff for mplayer?
[09:00] <guest_> i'm at the RPM packages about mplayer?
[09:00] <stvn> guest_: it also explains how to add extra software-repositories to your list
[09:00] <stvn> guest_: you need to add the marillat repository
[09:00] <gobeavs> I added the marillat testing and stable for mplayer, but it didnt work, do you need unstable?
[09:00] <stvn> guest_: with that you can get mplayer, w32codecs, avcodecs and other video related stuff
[09:01] <Josip> gobeavs, scroll up there was a link posted for mplayer's deb package
[09:01] <gobeavs> josip: yeah, I can see it in one of hte marillat ones..but its deps can't be installed
[09:01] <gobeavs> I added all but the unstable one
[09:01] <wannes> purged the package and ooo saves (with the error but doesnt freeze)
[09:01] <Josip> well one of the repos must have the mplayer package ;-)
[09:02] <Josip> finally installed monodevelop (yeah babyy :D ) .
[09:02] <lordan> wannes, so that solves it
[09:02] <wannes> lordan: with the error :-/
[09:02] <wannes> but it works ...
[09:02] <lordan> ok
[09:02] <wannes> btw: I used ooo-prelink, in case that matters ...
[09:02] <lordan> don't think so
[09:03] <lordan> current not prelinked, but i have the same problem
[09:03] <lordan> i think it's related to the gnome integration stuff
[09:03] <lordan> will remove it and see
[09:03] <wannes> upon reinstalling ooo-gnomevfs the damn thing freezes again ...
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[09:03] <gobeavs> would it work to set to debian's official repositories? Because they have a lot more stuff
[09:04] <wannes> purging it again, don't need it anyway :o)
[09:04] <newbee> Hi everyone!
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[09:04] <lordan> wannes, going to do the same..
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[09:04] <JayeAeotiv> How do I restore a previous version of a file in CVS?
[09:05] <gobeavs> ok.....I have all the marillat repositories on there, but synaptic still won't install some of the dependencies for mplayer
[09:05] <gobeavs> any ideas?
[09:05] <stuNNed> when i start gnomad2 the hdd is accessed heavily and nothing comes up
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[09:05] <ubuntu> hmm now I see what the "universe" is :)
[09:06] <halkeye> !search MUSHclient
[09:06] <cholo> ubuntu: there's a 'multiverse' too I think (at least there is in hoary)
[09:07] <ubuntu> so ubuntu without a universe repository is mostly the same as debian stable or testing
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[09:07] <cholo> ubuntu: nonono, ubuntu without the universe repository is a small (few packages) distro
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[09:08] <_guMuTpoB> has any1 experienced this problem in Ubuntu : at the login screen i enter my usr and pass then starts to load gnome but somehow fails and goes back to login screen ?
[09:08] <adroit> hello
[09:08] <cholo> ubuntu: when you add universe, it looks a little more like debian
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[09:08] <zenrox> woohoo just got my cds today
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[09:08] <zenrox> sweet
[09:08] <adroit> Hey I need some help with the sound
[09:09] <adroit> can you help me??
[09:09] <jerkhole> maybe
[09:09] <zenrox> whats wrong with it
[09:09] <adroit> dont work
[09:09] <ubuntu> cholo, yeah ubuntu with universe repository is more like debian sid(still in development)
[09:10] <adroit> when I installed ubuntu then sounds hear extrange
[09:10] <ubuntu> cholo, but you have to take care of your own security updates if you turn on the universe
[09:10] <adroit> and read in the forums a post to hear multiply sounds with alsa
[09:11] <adroit> I install libesd-alsao
[09:11] <adroit> and did asound.conf finally edit esound.conf
[09:11] <adroit> sorry esd.conf
[09:12] <cholo> ubuntu: yeah, but since ubuntu is mainly aimed at desktop users... that's no very critical
[09:12] <adroit> and now I dont have sound
[09:12] <cholo> ubuntu: if you really need security, use debian stable or netbsd
[09:12] <miguellinux> Hi, there are other deb repositories fit ubuntu 64?
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[09:13] <miguellinux> I cant find ntop,
[09:13] <adroit> Nobody can help me???
[09:13] <miguellinux> for ubuntu x86_64
[09:14] <gobeavs> I don't like the 64 version
[09:14] <cholo> adroit: maybe support for your card is less than perfect? has it worked in other distros?
[09:14] <gobeavs> when I tried it it couldn't get the deb repos
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[09:14] <drspin> thank god for emulation -- totally makes gaming on linux kick ass -- anyone know of GBA or N64 emulator?
[09:14] <adroit> cholo Yep, this work in mandrake, debian and ubuntu too
[09:15] <cholo> adroit: but, didn't you say it's not working in ubuntu?
[09:16] <adroit> cholo: its not working now
[09:16] <gobeavs> will using woody/sarge packages make ubuntu unstable?
[09:17] <cholo> drspin: for GBA: visualboyadvance, gnuboy-x, gngb
[09:17] <drspin> cholo: TY :)
[09:17] <cholo> drspin: don't know about N64
[09:17] <adroit> cholo: does exist some way to come back to the original configuration??
[09:17] <ulx> he guys.. just read the sudoroot wiki.. got a few questions..
[09:18] <drkfiber> anyone in here develop with gtk# on ubuntu?
[09:18] <Kamion> gobeavs: it'll confuse apt
[09:18] <ulx> if i enable the root account.. how will my interaction with ubuntu linux change?
[09:18] <lordan> drkfiber, played around with it a bit a while ago
[09:18] <zenwhen> ulx, it wont
[09:18] <cholo> adroit: did it break after upgrading or something?
[09:18] <_guMuTpoB> has any1 experienced this problem in Ubuntu : at the login screen i enter my usr and pass then starts to load gnome but somehow fails and goes back to login screen ?
[09:18] <zenwhen> it will be like any other distro
[09:19] <drkfiber> know anything about treeview widget?
[09:19] <Kamion> cholo: Ubuntu isn't mainly aimed at desktop users; we have some interesting server opportunities too
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[09:19] <ulx> i mean.. before i was using knoppix.. when i needed root access id su to root
[09:19] <Kamion> cholo: security support for 18 months and a choice of three supported releases is quite appealing to a lot of people
[09:19] <adroit> cholo: I tried to do this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8882
[09:19] <ulx> after creating root, would i need to disable sudo?
[09:19] <Kamion> (it will be three, once we've actually made three releases ...)
[09:19] <Kamion> ulx: no
[09:20] <zenwhen> _guMuTpoB, sudo chmod 777 ~/.ICEauthority
[09:20] <Kamion> ulx: only if you want to; if you do that, yes, your desktop user will no longer be able to do administrative tasks
[09:20] <cholo> adroit: let's see...
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[09:20] <_guMuTpoB> and will work again ? :) thx
[09:20] <adroit> cholo: this is the second time I install ubuntu
[09:20] <lordan> toyed with that in c a while ago
[09:20] <zenwhen> Kamion, how do you figure?
[09:20] <zenwhen> How does enabling root hurt sudo?
[09:21] <adroit> cholo: but this time i dont know whats wrong
[09:21] <Kamion> zenwhen: I never said it did?
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[09:21] <drkfiber> lordan: yeah,  I think i just need to find a good example or tutorial, thanks...
[09:21] <miguellinux> cholo: una mano
[09:21] <zenwhen> ulx: only if you want to; if you do that, yes, your desktop user will no longer be able to do administrative tasks
[09:21] <Kamion> zenwhen: I was replying to ulx asking if he needed to disable sudo, saying no, and explaining what would happen if he did
[09:21] <zenwhen> thats what you said.
[09:21] <zenwhen> Oh
[09:21] <zenwhen> ok sorry
[09:21] <zenwhen> I missed that.
[09:21] <lordan> try looking the the gtk-demo code
[09:21] <adroit> cholo: oye hablas espaol??
[09:21] <thegreatone2176> kamion: could you refer to this post starting with post #9 and see if you can figure it out
[09:22] <ulx> thx guys
[09:22] <zenwhen> I was hoping there wasnt more "omg root is evil" FUD being spread.
[09:22] <lordan> that should give you some ideas
[09:22] <zenwhen> :P
[09:22] <Kamion> zenwhen: certainly not :)
[09:22] <cholo> adroit: s, pero para que la gente entienda... mejor hablamos en ingls, ok?
[09:23] <adroit> cholo: nice
[09:23] <drspin> is it safe to "sudo nautilus" ?
[09:23] <cholo> adroit: you could undo those steps one by one for a temporary fix, it should work
[09:23] <adroit> how??
[09:23] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: which post?
[09:23] <adroit> deleting asound.conf file??
[09:24] <thegreatone2176> kamion: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&postid=1378082#post1378082
[09:24] <adroit> cholo: and what happend with the lib i installed???
[09:24] <cholo> adroit: yes, then uninstall  libesd-alsa0
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[09:24] <adroit> how??
[09:25] <cholo> adroit: delete the section you added to your /etc/esound/esd.conf too
[09:25] <cholo> adroit: apt-get remove libesd-alsa0
[09:25] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: sounds like you already have firestarter installed, so I don't understand why there's a problem
[09:25] <adroit> cholo: how can delete the lib??
[09:25] <cholo> adroit: apt-get remove libesd-alsa0
[09:25] <adroit> nice
[09:26] <adroit> Im going to try
[09:26] <adroit> cholo:thanks u
[09:26] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: anyway, if you still want to build firestarter even though you already have it installed, it lists the following build-dependencies: debhelper, libgnome2-dev, libgnomeui-dev, gettext, libpopt-dev, dpatch, autotools-dev, libxml-parser-perl
[09:26] <Kamion> install all those
[09:26] <cholo> adroit: then disable the sound server startup in the gnome sound config options
[09:26] <thegreatone2176> well you see kamion its *installed* but when i try to run it it says child process terminated with status: 1"
[09:26] <thegreatone2176> cuz i installed in apt-get but when i try ./configure i get that error
[09:27] <adroit> :s
[09:27] <adroit> cholo: why???
[09:27] <ulx>  get a strange error starting up the system: can't replicate it w/o booting, but dmesg reports:
[09:27] <thegreatone2176> ok i will
[09:27] <ulx> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001
[09:27] <ulx> shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001
[09:27] <thegreatone2176> maybe it will run if i do it that way
[09:27] <thegreatone2176> cuz it wont now
[09:28] <cholo> adroit: well, you can try and leave it enabled, but it probably wont work
[09:28] <adroit> cholo: ok
[09:28] <cholo> adroit: it seems your sound card isn't well supported in alsa or something
[09:28] <thegreatone2176> kamion is that eror about child process one easy to fix? or too generic?
[09:29] <Kamion> thegreatone2176: when you just type 'firestarter', you mean?
[09:29] <Kamion> it's generic, might be easy to fix, might not
[09:29] <Kamion> it's not clear to me that building it from source will *necessarily* help unless you're prepared to dive into the source and debug it
[09:29] <KreacH> what is the best command for tar ?
[09:30] <Kamion> you should file a bug anyway if an Ubuntu package doesn't work
[09:30] <adroit> cholo: what is the command to delete files??
[09:30] <cholo> adroit: rm
[09:30] <thegreatone2176> when i click applications - internet - firestarter firewall tool
[09:30] <thegreatone2176> it prompts for root pass
[09:30] <thegreatone2176> i type it in
[09:30] <thegreatone2176> then it says "cannot start as root <br> child process terminated with status: 1"
[09:31] <Kamion> are you sure it's prompting for the root password, and not for your own password?
[09:31] <Kamion> if it's using gksudo, it will be the latter
[09:31] <nordle> Poprocks: Thanks for the info on universe rep, I had to go answer phone, anyway for some reason its not playing ball.  I am using Senaptic and it complains that kde-amusements, addons and multimedia could not be marked for installation.
[09:31] <Kamion> also try just typing 'firestarter' at a root terminal
[09:32] <thegreatone2176> umm my pass and root pass are the same
[09:32] <thegreatone2176> is that bad?
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[09:33] <thegreatone2176> Kamion the terminal way worked
[09:33] <thegreatone2176> thanks man
[09:33] <drspin> why does nautilus provide a "Close Parent Folders" option but it will only close the Parent folder...
[09:33] <cholo> thegreatone2176: other than from a security standpoint, no
[09:33] <thegreatone2176> i wish ic ould repay you for the 1000 times you helped me
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[09:33] <DanielC> Hello. What's the relationship like between Debian and Ubuntu? Are there people in both teams? Do you work together?
[09:34] <drspin> ubuntu is based on Debian
[09:34] <quake> Any way to have dual monitor view with 2 video cards?
[09:34] <Kamion> DanielC: the majority of the Canonical staff who work on Ubuntu are also Debian developers
[09:34] <Kamion> yes, we work together
[09:34] <DanielC> drspin: Yes, but Debian seems to be less than enthusiastic about distros that are "essentially Debian" like Linspire, Xandros and Knoppix.
[09:35] <DanielC> ah,
[09:35] <guest_> thank you for totem-xine.  DVD is working.
[09:35] <DanielC> good good :-)
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[09:35] <drspin> quake: if they are the same make and model it should be possible technically... but I'm really just guessing...
[09:35] <DanielC> Kamion: Who is "Caninical" ?
[09:35] <cholo> quake: that's a rather obscure part of the X configuration... there should be some info in google/linux
[09:36] <virus> Is there any chance that the work done in ubuntu will be backported for debian? I mean debian is regarding to desktop applications pretty outdated - even unstable is horrible when it comes to the gnome desktop.
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[09:36] <cholo> virus: you can add the ubuntu repository to your debian
[09:36] <quake> AGP: Geforce 2 Ti PCI: Voodoo 3 2000 *I miss 3dfx...*
[09:36] <ivar> i've been having problems creating accounts with thunderbird on hoary..  anyone have any pointers ?
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[09:36] <cholo> virus: it can be done without breaking anything
[09:36] <virus> cholo, I know - I was just wondering how the "political" thing about debian/ubuntu is going. :)
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[09:37] <Yannick_> I have an installation problem...
[09:37] <kent_> A simple note, all though this page "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/usn/" is very nice,  would it not be better if the newest entry was on the top, and not at the bottom? Perhaps its generated staticly, but if its made dynamic, it seems that newest should be on top, with date etc.  Just a thought though..
[09:38] <drspin> quake: never was able to get my voodoo 3 working in Linux :/
[09:39] <quake> oh damn...
[09:39] <Kamion> DanielC: the company that sponsored the creation of Ubuntu
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[09:39] <DanielC> thanks
[09:39] <Kamion> and continues to sponsor a number of Ubuntu developers
[09:39] <Kamion> virus: a lot of it's already being backported
[09:39] <DanielC> ok, I'm learning :-)
[09:39] <Kamion> pmount went into Debian fairly recently, for instance
[09:40] <Yannick_> I divided my drive in 2, one NTFS and free space, I booted ubuntu installation, chose manual partitionning, use free space on my first disk and it created my 2 partitions, then when it goes on it says that it can't mount /, anyone has an idea?
[09:40] <drspin> quake: I was VERY new to linux then and I'm sure it'll be easier now than ever ;)
[09:40] <cholo> Kamion: lol, I thought you meant "the usual" -- it's the real meaning of the word -- didn't notice the 'c' in caps, hehe
[09:40] <guest_> have anybody try Xandros, i'm using ubuntu and new to it.  thakns for totem-xine.  P.S. What games can run on linux if possible?
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[09:41] <Kamion> DanielC: we have a lot more core-ish Debian people working on Ubuntu than work on most of the other distributions you mentioned
[09:41] <Yannick_> anyone can help me?
[09:41] <cholo> guest_: quake, unreal, neverwinte, bla, bla, bla
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[09:41] <Kawie33> Hello folks
[09:41] <DanielC> Kamion: Great. I'm liking Ubuntu, I'll try it.
[09:41] <guest_> i check them out later...do i need wine for those?
[09:42] <Kamion> cholo: not my choice of name ... :)
[09:42] <enanos> hi
[09:42] <enanos> xDDDD
[09:42] <cholo> guest_: I'd suggest cedega -- a wine-based comercial version
[09:43] <cholo> guest_: it works very well
[09:43] <quake> drspin: I hope so, but I think I'll go thru hell before I figure out how to have dual monitor
[09:43] <quake> Cholo: what the hell...?
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[09:43] <Kamion> yeesh, I have to install emacs21 to build python2.4? blah
[09:43] <cholo> guest_: but there are linux versions of some games too (neverwinter, doom, quake, for example)
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[09:44] <enanos> who knows to install subjects of icons?
[09:44] <quake> oops, Sorry cholo, I thought you were saying something about my nickname :P
[09:44] <VRaptor117> can someone tell me which version of ubuntu i want to download for pentium 100
[09:44] <guest_> do i need the discs and then get data files for thoses?  like for example i have starcraft for windows then install from wine and play it?
[09:44] <cholo> quake: lol
[09:45] <enanos> I want to install the Noia subject, but me it does not install it
[09:45] <cholo> guest_: yes, but there might be other ways... the installer could work with wine too
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[09:45] <KreacH> what is the best way to untar a file tar -what ?
[09:45] <Kamion> .tar or .tar.gz?
[09:45] <guest_> gunzip
[09:46] <enanos> .tar.bz2
[09:46] <KreacH> no the extensions :P
[09:46] <Kamion> KreacH: what is the filename?
[09:46] <KreacH> someone gave a command .tz
[09:46] <guest_> tar -xvf filename:
[09:46] <cholo> enanos: tar jxvf <file>
[09:46] <KreacH> and i thougt c
[09:46] <DanielC> tar -zxvf file.tgz
[09:46] <Kamion> KreacH: the command depends on whether it's compressed as well as being a tarball, which is why I'm asking you
[09:46] <KreacH> -cxvf is that correct ?
[09:46] <Kamion> no, absolutely wrong
[09:46] <enanos> thanks
[09:46] <stuNNed> could it be that hal isn't working correctly with gnomad2 usb support?
[09:47] <KreacH> it's a tarrball and compressed
[09:47] <DanielC> gzcat file.tar.gz | tar xvf -
[09:47] <Kamion> c == create tar archive, x == extract tar archive, you can't do both
[09:47] <Kamion> compressed how? gz, bz2, ...
[09:47] <KreacH> gz
[09:47] <guest_> try tar -xvf
[09:47] <Kamion> tar -xzvf foo.tar.gz, then
[09:47] <DanielC> bzcat file.tar.bz2 | tar xvf -
[09:47] <guest_> what about RPM packages?  In Ubuntu?
[09:47] <quake> *.tar.bz2 with: tar -xjf
[09:47] <enanos> I do not speak ingles, single I am translating it in google:D:D:D
[09:48] <Kamion> guest_: alien
[09:48] <Kamion> (use it)
[09:48] <guest_> how i don't know how?  is it like rpm -ivh ?
[09:48] <cholo> guest_: you could use alien, if you _really_ need that package
[09:49] <quake> como estas enanos, no habla ingles?
[09:49] <enanos> no
[09:49] <cholo> guest_: you convert the rpm to an deb with aline
[09:49] <enanos> toy como los weones traduciendo las cosas en google
[09:49] <enanos> jajaja
[09:49] <guest_> ok bye bye
[09:50] <enanos> he tratado de instalar el tema de iconos Noia
[09:50] <enanos> pero no instala
[09:50] <cholo> wow, there are so many spanish-speakers here (I'm one)
[09:50] <enanos> xDDDD
[09:50] <DanielC> cholo: otro mas?
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[09:50] <DanielC> go Spanish!
[09:51] <cholo> DanielC: s
[09:51] <enanos> no cacho niuna de ingles
[09:51] <enanos> mas encima tengo 13 aos
[09:51] <enanos> con suerte se lo basico
[09:51] <enanos> :D
[09:51] <Kamion> #ubuntu-es perhaps ...
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[09:52] <enanos> ahi mismo estoy
[09:52] <Kawie33> Any German here :-)
[09:52] <enanos> pero tan mas flojos
[09:52] <enanos> no pescan
[09:52] <ogra> Kawie33: probires mal in #ubuntu-de
[09:52] <enanos> xD
[09:52] <Kawie33> Oh und hier ist das spanische Forum ? :-)
[09:52] <ogra> lol
[09:52] <DanielC> Kamion: he says he's not having any luck at #ubuntu-es
[09:53] <cholo> #ubuntu-es sucks
[09:53] <Kamion> DanielC: unfortunate, but still
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[09:53] <Kamion> make it better, then :)
[09:53] <DanielC> :)
[09:53] <ogra> DanielC: so someone has to give us a crashcourse in spanish perhaps
[09:53] <Kawie33> Jes please me too!
[09:53] <Kawie33> i caramba
[09:54] <zenrox> lol
[09:54] <Kawie33> oh i mean yes :-)
[09:54] <enanos> those of # ubuntu-are seems that they estan sleeping because they do not fish
[09:54] <enanos> xD
[09:54] <DaHerb> hi ya all, does anyone know how to get mysql working with php (ubuntu newbie)..
[09:54] <enanos> me las condorie
[09:55] <Yannick_> anyone can help me with a parted partition error?
[09:55] <Kawie33> The German channel is emty :-(
[09:55] <DaHerb> problem is cannot load mysql extension,
[09:55] <DaHerb> please check PHP Configuration
[09:55] <Kawie33> ogra want to chat?
[09:56] <Kawie33> empty
[09:56] <ogra> Kawie33: there are 9 ppl in #ubuntu-de
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[09:56] <enanos> they know algun manager unloadings who is good?
[09:56] <enanos> no tengo idea lo k escribi
[09:56] <enanos> jijijij
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[09:58] <DaHerb> Hallo? Iemand die mysql met php al aan de praat heeft gekregen op ubuntu?
[09:58] <DaHerb> php werkt en mysql ook, echter nog niet samen...
[09:58] <scoon> DaHerb, you need php4-pear
[09:59] <ogra> DaHerb: #ubuntu-nl ?
[09:59] <enanos> they recien yesterday installs ubuntu and it walks to me of wonder
[09:59] <DaHerb> Scoon does it come in the standard package?
[09:59] <DaHerb> Orga ?
[09:59] <scoon> DaHerb, what do you mean.  The deb is called php4-pear
[09:59] <enanos> xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[09:59] <enanos> me voy
[09:59] <enanos> chauuus
[09:59] <enanos> bye
[10:00] <DaHerb> Scoon, me newbie how do ik install that piece?
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[10:00] <cholo> uhg, I think enanos tried to say that it works great
[10:00] <DaHerb> got mysql, got php, now trying to connect from php to mysql
[10:00] <scoon> DaHerb, well there is a TON of stuff on using apt-get.  try this: man apt-get from a terminal
[10:00] <drspin> why doesn't snes9x use my joypad?
[10:01] <DaHerb> Scoon thanx, gonna try that one, allways worked with Redhat and suse....
[10:01] <drspin> jscalibrator worked ok so I know the joypad works
[10:01] <scoon> DaHerb, well there should be many tut's on that.
[10:02] <RuffianSoldier> MY UBUNTU CDs JUST ARIVED!
[10:02] <RuffianSoldier> after 2 months
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[10:03] <DaHerb> Scoon, apt-get install tells me it is missing another packet, how do i find out...
[10:03] <zenrox> RuffianSoldier,  me too
[10:03] <zenrox> but concerting whare thay came from
[10:03] <quake> RuffianSoldier: it took that long?!
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[10:03] <llun_ved> hello guys
[10:03] <zenrox> quake,  i sind up for them around thankgiving
[10:04] <llun_ved> anyone here have problems with USB key drives in Ububtu?
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[10:04] <zenrox> llun_ved,  nope
[10:04] <ArCHonKoG> is there a bug for mp3 in upgrade to hoary on Rhythmbox ?
[10:04] <quake> ah
[10:04] <zenrox> llun_ved,  whats going on
[10:04] <orbitalbears727> hi everyone
[10:04] <scoon> DaHerb, what is the error?
[10:04] <llun_ved> it does not mount when plugged in
[10:05] <zenrox> llun_ved, you have to manuly mount it
[10:05] <scoon> DaHerb, or atleast try to install with the -s flag first.
[10:05] <RuffianSoldier> quake - yes 0 it did
[10:05] <DaHerb> Scoon, error is in dutch: Pakket php4-pear is niet beschikbaar, hoewel er naar verwezen wordt door
[10:05] <DaHerb> een ander pakket. Mogelijk betekent dit dat het pakket ontbreekt,
[10:05] <DaHerb> verouderd is, of enkel beschikbaar van een andere bron
[10:05] <DaHerb> E: Pakket php4-pear heeft geen installeerbare kandidaat
[10:05] <llun_ved> i did a mount -a and it still does not recognize
[10:05] <scoon> DaHerb, great....   I don't speak that.
[10:05] <orbitalbears727> i'm  new to ubuntu - been trying to get ubuntu to print, and I'm almost ready to give up
[10:05] <zenrox> llun_ved,  mount -a only works if its in your fstab
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[10:06] <orbitalbears727> does anyone use an epson printer???
[10:06] <zenrox> llun_ved,  you should have a /dev/sda(someting)
[10:06] <DaHerb> Scoon, translated something like:"Package php4-pear is not available, but there is a link form another packet for it. probably meaning a packet is missing, to old, or only available from another source".
[10:06] <DaHerb> My best English...
[10:07] <zenrox> llun_ved,  its mounted like this mount -t what the fs is /dev/sda1-9 /mnt/somename
[10:07] <ArCHonKoG> is there a bug for mp3 in upgrade to hoary on Rhythmbox ?
[10:07] <llun_ved> i will give that a try
[10:07] <llun_ved> bbl
[10:07] <orbitalbears727> does anyone use an epson printer with ubuntu?
[10:08] <scoon> DaHerb, make certain you have the universe repository enabled.
[10:08] <scoon> DaHerb, it may be a great idea for you to use synaptic.
[10:08] <DaHerb> Scoon, wow tell me
[10:08] <scoon> DaHerb, which it the very slick and easy apt front end
[10:08] <DaHerb> Scoon ok, i'll try to find it
[10:09] <stuNNed> what is a working repo i can get win32 codecs for gxine from?
[10:09] <DaHerb> Scoon, found it, i'll give it a try, thanx for now...
[10:09] <scoon> DaHerb, http://www.debianuniverse.com/readonline/chapter/06
[10:10] <scoon> DaHerb, that appears to be a nice little explanation about it.
[10:10] <DaHerb> Scoon, thx
[10:10] <scoon> DaHerb, also, poke around ubuntulinux.org and the forums for some other info.
[10:10] <zenrox> and the ubuntuguide.org aswell
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[10:11] <hannes__> stuNNed: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[10:11] <DaHerb> Scoon, found synaptic. Now reading manual...
[10:11] <kompulsive> ....howdy...
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[10:11] <kompulsive> i'm a new UNIX user. thinking about switching from gentoo to ubuntu.
[10:13] <kent_> is there someway that when im logged in with ssh on a remote computer i can start an X-program and make it appear on my screen? i think i saw something like that some time ago..
[10:13] <stuNNed> hannes__, i get complaint no public key found with that repo
[10:13] <jaako> hello... anybody know where can i find instructions about installing knoppix on harddisk beside ubuntu?
[10:13] <zenrox> kent_,  i know of a way you can get a full xdesktop
[10:14] <hannes__> stuNNed: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html
[10:14] <zenrox> but dont know if it works
[10:14] <zenrox> with little configing
[10:14] <scoon> kent_, i remember seeing that with redhat.  I think the remote compy needs the xlibs as well tho.
[10:14] <kompulsive> anyone think the switch from gentoo to ubuntu would be a good move?
[10:14] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[10:15] <zenrox> kompulsive, yes
[10:15] <RuffianSoldier> the switch from any distro to Ubuntu is a good idea
[10:15] <zenrox> gentoo your compiling shit all the time
[10:15] <kent_> scoon, the remote has Xlibs, and even X (gnome) started.  i know something like VNC might work, but i have never used that and im not sure if my connection (2mb adsl) is fast enough for running gnome over vnc..
[10:15] <orbitalbears727> has anyone got ubuntu to print with an Epson printer?
[10:15] <RuffianSoldier> emerge is tooooooooooo slow
[10:15] <jaako> how to install knoppix beside ubuntu?
[10:15] <zenrox> kent_,  you can run vnc over 56k
[10:15] <RuffianSoldier> jaako - the same way you would with any distro
[10:16] <twisted_steel> kent_: if I remember correctly, something like the X flag would enable tunneling
[10:16] <jaako> RuffianSoldier: Like with any live cd?
[10:16] <twisted_steel> kent_: something along the lines of ssh -X user@host
[10:16] <RuffianSoldier> jaako - just use BeatrIX
[10:16] <RuffianSoldier> its based of Knoppix and Ubuntu
[10:17] <orbitalbears727> does gimp-print have a generic print driver that works most of the time?
[10:17] <kent_> twisted_steel, will the remote application then use my X-server instead?
[10:17] <twisted_steel> kent_: yes, you can type the command and the program will display on your machine
[10:17] <kent_> twisted_steel, haha, thanks. it seems to work :)
[10:17] <twisted_steel> kent_: if you use an & at the end, it will background it so you can type in additional commands
[10:18] <twisted_steel> kent_: excellent :)
[10:18] <Kamion> you need xbase-clients installed at the remote end too, for xauth
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[10:19] <Kamion> and the remote end needs to have 'X11Forwarding yes' in /etc/ssh/sshd_config (which isn't the default everywhere - it's the default in Ubuntu but not in Debian at the moment, for example)
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[10:20] <DaHerb> Scoon, i now know what my problem is. I need PHP4-MYSQL package from the "universe" repository. How do i add this repository to synaptic...
[10:21] <stuNNed> hannes__, can you help me further with this?  i installed apt-check-sig and still have probs
[10:21] <DaHerb> Scoon, there should be a Packet source..
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[10:22] <kent_> Kamion, hmm, i am running a gnome application from a remote Ubuntu over ssh right now, and i have not edited the ssh configuration file.. and the retard who owns the remote has not done it either, i hope :)
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[10:23] <DaHerb> Scoon, found it, just had to reload.... ;-)
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[10:23] <kent_> Kamion, the remote is Ubuntu warty also.  This local machine runs Fedora 3, perhaps that makes it possible?
[10:23] <hannes__> stuNNed: use synaptic
[10:23] <hannes__> and just ignore the warning
[10:23] <hannes__> :D
[10:25] <stuNNed> hannes__, k
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[10:29] <stuNNed> which mplayer do you guys recommend with hoary?
[10:29] <GoneBoB> I use marillat's unstable repository
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[10:30] <seb128> the one in hoary/multiverse
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[10:31] <drspin> can I apply a 3rd party patch through Sy naptic?
[10:32] <drspin> or through apt?
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[10:33] <crimsun> drspin: patches are applied to source. You need to use development tools like diff and patch to do that. Synaptic only handles packages (binaries and source).
[10:33] <scizzo> stuNNed: the one that is for your arch I would say
[10:33] <stuNNed> scizzo, like mplayer-686 (sp?) ?
[10:33] <drspin> crimsum: so I'll need to download the src and compile myself...
[10:33] <scizzo> stuNNed: well I am using 586 for a 686 machine
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[10:33] <stuNNed> scizzo, cuz mplayer-custom was broken with hoary last i checked
[10:34] <crimsun> drspin: if a binary package does not exist in the ubuntu repos with it already applied, yes.
[10:34] <stuNNed> scizzo, got it thanks :D
[10:34] <odyssey_> Hi i was wondering how to upgrade to hoary?
[10:34] <scizzo> odyssey_: hoary is development
[10:34] <scizzo> odyssey_: things will break...and you can read about this on the Wiki
[10:35] <Kamion> kent_: "it's [X11Forwarding yes]  the default in Ubuntu but not in Debian at the moment", as I said above
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[10:35] <odyssey_> scizzo, i know, i dont care about things breaking
[10:35] <sally_> how can I boot the live cd without going into X automatically?
[10:35] <scizzo> odyssey_: well look at the wiki
[10:36] <DaHerb> Scoon, it's all working now thx!
[10:36] <scizzo> odyssey_: but no one is responsible if things break....it is development and people are being warned
[10:36] <scizzo> breaking even
[10:36] <sally_> I just want a command line
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[10:37] <zim> hi all
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[10:37] <zim> has anyone installed kde?
[10:37] <scizzo> odyssey_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[10:37] <Zotnix> your can do control + alt + F1 (Any up to F6) to get a command line.
[10:38] <drspin> Zotnix: Mine are just black: know how I can get my terminals back?
[10:38] <RuffianSoldier> im adiing 256MBs of RAM to my current 128MB (System thinks its 96 thanks to my onboard graphics) -- will I have to worry about swap?
[10:38] <neighborlee> what is the best audio cd maker..I have mp3's and ogg but wondering must I first convert them to wav before burning..or if not is there an app tha will do this conversion first ..?.thx anyone ;-))
[10:38] <RuffianSoldier> k3b?
[10:38] <zim> if so what packages do you install
[10:39] <odyssey_> scizzo, i have edited my sources.list as it says but apt says there is nothing to be upgraded??
[10:39] <sally_> how can I restart X without rebooting?
[10:39] <Zotnix> drspin, sorry, I don't.
[10:39] <Zotnix> Never had that problem.
[10:39] <drspin> Zotnix: thanks anyway ;)
[10:39] <Zotnix> sally_, /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:39] <RuffianSoldier> sally_ ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:39] <calc> RuffianSoldier: it will always use some swap
[10:40] <Zotnix> Or that
[10:40] <scizzo> odyssey_: put the sources.list online please
[10:40] <RuffianSoldier> go back to GDM before you do it though!
[10:40] <crimsun> neighborlee: generally speaking, yes, you must convert them to wav first. I'm not sure if k3b or nautilus allow you to burn directly from mp3/vorbis
[10:40] <Zotnix> Not yet
[10:40] <neighborlee> crimsun, faik nope
[10:40] <sally_> when I log out it reboots
[10:40] <zim> anyone installed kde if so what packages do you install
[10:40] <cholo> odyssey_: did you run apt-get update?
[10:40] <calc> zim: kde-core will pull in the basics
[10:40] <odyssey_> cholo yes
[10:40] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: yes, you will still need swap
[10:41] <zim> ty
[10:41] <Zotnix> http://linux.about.com/library/howto/mp3cd/blmp3cd2.htm#PREPARE
[10:41] <neighborlee> crimsun, yeah nautilus could use a easier GUI layout tool for burning..atm you gotta copy/paste...maybe they plan on upgrading that to drag &/or right click > add blah blah
[10:41] <calc> zim: if you want it all kde will pull in all the official stuff
[10:41] <odyssey_> scizzo, its jst the same as on the wiki page
[10:41] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: if you had 1 GB you could get away without swap
[10:41] <Zotnix> Good mp3 to wav guide.
[10:41] <RuffianSoldier> crimsun - I mean - wont I need bigger swap with more RAM?
[10:41] <RuffianSoldier> cuz I have 130MBs of Swap
[10:41] <RuffianSoldier> im adding more RAM
[10:41] <zim> ty so how do you do that??
[10:41] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: no, size of swap does not need to be increased with increased RAM
[10:41] <RuffianSoldier> ok
[10:41] <RuffianSoldier> just checking
[10:42] <calc> to suspend you need bigger swap, but generally you don't need more otherwise
[10:42] <cholo> RuffianSoldier: you can leave it as it is
[10:42] <crimsun> calc: good point
[10:42] <calc> i'm only using 6MB swap right now with 1GB ram
[10:42] <scizzo> odyssey_: have you done a apt-get update?
[10:42] <odyssey_> scizzo, yes
[10:42] <sally_> I'll try it thanks
[10:42] <zim> to install all of kde what do i do
[10:42] <calc> zim: install "kde"
[10:42] <calc> zim: thats what i mentioned earlier
[10:43] <zim> to install all of kde what do i do
[10:43] <calc> zim: run synaptic and install kde
[10:43] <scizzo> odyssey_: and apt-get -u dist-upgrade?
[10:43] <zim> ty
[10:43] <calc> to install anything you run synaptic/dselect/aptitude/etc :)
[10:43] <odyssey_> scizzo, nothing happens
[10:43] <zim> got it ty
[10:44] <odyssey_> still says nothing is to be updated
[10:44] <scizzo> odyssey_: then maybe you are using hoary
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[10:45] <scizzo> odyssey_: could you please put your sources.list online somewhere so I can see it?
[10:45] <Zotnix> I'm using 222 of 486 in swap.
[10:45] <Zotnix> :(
[10:45] <Zotnix> Computer is being slow :-p
[10:46] <odyssey_> scizzo, its a copy paste of this --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[10:46] <scizzo> odyssey_: well....is the warty links still in the repository?
[10:46] <scizzo> I mean in the file you are using
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[10:47] <scizzo> odyssey_: if you open synaptic....and look at the mirrors there....check so that only hoary links are in the list of mirrors
[10:47] <odyssey_> no i replcaed all the warty's with hoary
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[10:48] <scizzo> odyssey_: might be easier if you could tell me exactly what you have done so far
[10:48] <scizzo> odyssey_: have you tried to upgrade before?
[10:48] <scoon> odyssey_, then all you need to do is apt-get update && apt-get -s dist-upgrade
[10:49] <scoon> odyssey_, i just did that last eve
[10:49] <scizzo> scoon: he said he had done that already
[10:49] <scizzo> scoon: read the backlog
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[10:49] <scoon> scizzo, my bad.  I was doing more than just staring at this.
[10:50] <odyssey_> i have replaced /etc/apt/sources.list with the lines from that link i gave you
[10:50] <odyssey_> ran apt-get update
[10:50] <odyssey_> and apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:50] <scizzo> did it liust any thing when you did apt-update?
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[10:50] <odyssey_> yes
[10:51] <scizzo> odyssey_: and you are really sure that you are using the hoary links?
[10:51] <scizzo> odyssey_: if you are....then I don't know....then it sounds like you have already done the updates
[10:51] <scoon> odyssey_, do i understand that you are not certain if you are using hoary or warty ?
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[10:53] <odyssey_> scoon, i donwnloaded and installed the warty iso... and have been using the warty repos
[10:53] <odyssey_> scizzo, it does download the new hoary list...
[10:53] <odyssey_> it just chooses to ignore it
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[10:55] <odyssey_> scizzo, scoon got it... there is an option in synaptic that you have to change, to the distrubtion you want, thanks guys
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[10:59] <ArCHonKoG> guys i upgrade from warty to hoary and am good no problems
[10:59] <codecaine> hey all
[10:59] <codecaine> i also have upgraded with no problems.  note you should read the hoary release notes
[10:59] <codecaine> to remove fam and portmap
[10:59] <ArCHonKoG> codecaine, i did
[11:00] <codecaine> arch, does xcdroast or eroaster recognize your drive?
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[11:00] <ArCHonKoG> codecaine, yes
[11:01] <codecaine> hmm not me
[11:01] <ArCHonKoG> codecaine, you have usb drives and do they work under hoary ?
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[11:01] <codecaine> usb drives do work
[11:01] <codecaine> pen drive and mp3 player
[11:01] <ArCHonKoG> cool
[11:01] <ArCHonKoG> it didn't work in warty
[11:01] <ArCHonKoG> now it does in hoary
[11:01] <codecaine> agh
[11:02] <codecaine> my cdrw/dvdrw worked  in warty but not in hoary
[11:02] <codecaine> yet it comes up in hal-device-manager
[11:02] <ArCHonKoG> hmm
[11:02] <ArCHonKoG> check that out
[11:02] <ArCHonKoG> i don't have a dvdrw but it pick it up my cdrw
[11:02] <codecaine> odd
[11:03] <codecaine> will post in forums about it
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[11:10] <m00se> hi
[11:11] <m00se> where can i get evolution 2.1.1? it seems that 2.1.2 breaks just about everything...
[11:12] <m00se> nevermind, found it
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[11:14] <drspin> why I use patch I don't get any response...
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[11:22] <stuNNed> hannes__, ping
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[11:28] <drspin> could someone help me apply a .patch file please?
[11:28] <cholo> drspin: ok
[11:29] <drspin> cholo: YAY!
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[11:29] <cholo> drspin: normally, it's smothing like 'patch -p1 < ../patch.patch' from the sources directory
[11:30] <cholo> drspin: thou that may vary
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[11:30] <drspin> cholo: patch -p1 ../GSnes9x-3.12-joystick.patch
[11:30] <drspin> is what I'm typing and it just sits there...
[11:30] <cholo> k
[11:30] <cholo> then hit Ctr-c
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[11:30] <drspin> cholo: K
[11:30] <cholo> try -p0
[11:31] <drspin> same thing
[11:31] <drspin> ... nothing ...
[11:31] <cholo> oh wait
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[11:31] <kent_> hi,  for some days ago, some person (most likely a ubuntu-developer) told me that i needed to wait for Hoary to get a friends webcam (logitec quickcam express) to work. Can that person (or some one else) tell me more about this? Im thinking of upgrading that friends computer to hoary if it will make it work
[11:31] <cholo> it;s ' patch -pn < patch
[11:31] <cholo> note the '<'
[11:31] <drspin> ah - ok
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[11:32] <drspin> Cholo: :)
[11:32] <drspin> cholo: thanks!
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[11:33] <cholo> drspin: it worked?
[11:33] <jerkhole> i can't believe it doesn't support mp3s by default
[11:33] <jerkhole> i mean, what the fuck?
[11:33] <drspin> cholo: yup! :)
[11:33] <cholo> drspin: cool
[11:33] <drspin> cholo: thanks!
[11:34] <jerkhole> i've tried installing totem-gstreamer with man
[11:34] <jerkhole> i've tried tomtem-xine, xmms doesn't seem to want to use alsa
[11:34] <jerkhole> nothing will play my god damn mp3s
[11:35] <scizzo> jerkhole: have you ever thought about: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:35] <daniels> jerkhole: please read the faq, and watch the language.
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[11:35] <scizzo> jerkhole: that kind of attitude without actually asking is not really nice...
[11:37] <drspin> configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated by gnome-libs install ???
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[11:42] <jerkhole> ok im sorry
[11:42] <jerkhole> what packages would one install for totem to play xvid / divx aswell?
[11:43] <scizzo> totem-xine?
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[11:43] <scizzo> not sure if it works
[11:43] <jerkhole> nah, it doesn't for me
[11:43] <jerkhole> there used to be w32codecs on debian
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[11:44] <spikeb> um
[11:44] <zenwhen> theres w32codecs in iniverse i think
[11:44] <scizzo> jerkhole: keep reading the wiki page
[11:44] <zenwhen> universe*
[11:44] <daniels> jerkhole: no, there was never w32codecs in debian.  because you can't distribute it from the usa.
[11:44] <spikeb> just grab the damn codecs from mplayer's website and put them in /usr/lib/win32
[11:44] <jerkhole> it s
[11:44] <jerkhole> wow, no need for such language
[11:44] <zenwhen> I got w32codecs from somewhere
[11:44] <zenwhen> through apt
[11:44] <zenwhen> :P
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[11:45] <zenwhen> All i know is that I cant find a file mplayer wont play with those codecs installed.
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[11:50] <jerkhole> zenwhen, where?
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[11:50] <jerkhole> oh right
[11:50] <jerkhole> having to boot into windows to play a file is going to be a right pain
[11:51] <jerkhole> call off the ubuntu project, its cancelled
[11:51] <jerkhole> sorry.
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[11:52] <drspin> zenhen: you should install the mplayer plugin for mozilla :) I can't find a file FF won't play :)
[11:52] <zenwhen> jerkhole,
[11:52] <codecaine> add the marillat repo to synaptic and install them
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[11:53] <zenwhen> Yeah that one
[11:53] <codecaine> it's in the wiki for restricted!
[11:53] <drspin> could someone help me solve some ./configure problems??
[11:53] <zenwhen> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[11:54] <zenwhen> is where I got it
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[11:54] <jerkhole> there's no amd64 candidate though
[11:54] <zenwhen> Oh
[11:54] <codecaine> bummer
[11:54] <codecaine> post it up on forums for that
[11:54] <jerkhole> maybe i can compile the source or some shit
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[11:55] <zenwhen> I wouldnt 64 bit yet, myself. You limit yourself for little gain.
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[11:55] <codecaine> or copy the stuff like that other guy said to lib/win32
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[11:58] <setite> you talking about going 64bit os or 64bit cpu