[12:01] <grelli> speaking of AMD 64's.. anyone here a system builder?
[12:01] <stianh> I installed bittorrent from synaptic, but when I try to use it I get a window telling me I need wxPython, I couldn't seem to find any packages for it :/ anyone know where to find any?
[12:02] <grelli> or happen to know where the white paper is for PSU requirements for the Socket 754's?
[12:05] <drspin> could someone take a moment and tell me why: ./configure --with-gnome-libs=/usr/lib
[12:05] <drspin> still returns: checking for gnomeConf.sh file in /usr/local/lib... not found
[12:05] <drspin> configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated by gnome-libs install
[12:09] <drspin> AHA - how about where can I get the 'gnome-libs-devel' package
[12:09] <drspin> ?
[12:12] <neighborlee> hey peeps..whats the easiest way to convert mp3 to wav ?
[12:12] <drspin> neighborlee: in XMMS choose the diskwrite output plugin
[12:13] <neighborlee> hmm ok thx..i'd never have thought to look there o_0 ;-)
[12:13] <ctd> neighborlee: mpg321 x.mp3 -w x.wav
[12:13] <ctd> neighborlee: Assuming you have mpg321 installed. ;)
[12:14] <neighborlee> k thx..and yes I do actually ..
[12:20] <drspin> why can't I install gnome-devel?
[12:20] <drspin> complains about dependencies
[12:21] <drspin> using synaptic
[12:22] <kent_> is there some way to force the load of this module?  I am trying to compile the qc-usb module, but loading the compiled module fails. quickcam: version magic '2.6.8.1 SMP preempt PENTIUM4 4KSTACKS gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.8.1-3-386 preempt 386 gcc-3.3'
[12:23] <zenrox> hmm ok have a helva time trying to install ubuntu werty on a computer
[12:23] <zenrox> it fails on installing base system on one file
[12:23] <zenrox> its the cds i just got in the mail
[12:23] <zenrox> and i have tried the other ones
[12:24] <zenrox> all fail on a dieferent file on the cdrom
[12:24] <nirai> crimsum: Are you busy at the moment?
[12:24] <zenrox> thought it was the cdrom so i tried other cdroms
[12:25] <zenrox> checken the cdrom integry now
[12:26] <scoon> kent_, it looks like you need to rebuild that module with your currently running kernel's headers.
[12:26] <VirtualDarKness> hi I've a problem with sound (sblive): if I talk into the mic I can hear sound, alsamixer volumes are ok, but in gnome I can hear any sound even if the sound server is enabled ..
[12:27] <VirtualDarKness> if I open alsamixer I see the settings for my tv card then I have to do alsamixer -c 1 .. can it be that gnome tries to output sound to my tv card?
[12:28] <kent_> scoon, i just installed the header for this kernel, so i guess i might have gotten the wrong headers then?
[12:28] <ferris> I have Ubuntu installed, with XFCE desktop on a sony viao, How can I turn up the speakers, since ubuntu doesn't let me use the 'Fn' keys
[12:28] <drspin> ferris: install pbbuttonsd
[12:29] <ferris> ok
[12:29] <ferris> thanks
[12:29] <scoon> kent_, i have to build my wireless modules from source.  If I try and use that module in another kernel i get the same error that you have.
[12:29] <kent_> scoon, is there an easy way to make sure the header/kernel match?
[12:30] <scoon> kent_, dunno.  I compile my own kernels.  The kernel source I compile has the kernel headers that get used.
[12:31] <scoon> kent_, so i never really need to worry about mixing and matching headers w/ sources.
[12:33] <kent_> scoon, there is a person using this computer, so i cant ask him to reboot or change kernel right now, so i have to get the right kernel-headers.. i guess.
[12:33] <drspin> VirtualDarKness: I think ubuntu may have a problem in the way it handles sound blaster cards in computers that also have TV cards -- I have a lot of cound troubles and it all goes away if I reload all the drivers in a different oder ;)
[12:33] <drspin> cound=sound
[12:33] <drspin> oder=order
[12:33] <scoon> kent_, that sounds about right.
[12:33] <ferris> how can i kill an application that will not close?
[12:33] <scoon> ferris, man kill
[12:34] <VirtualDarKness> drspin, thanks I think the problem is that it output to the tv card then
[12:34] <VirtualDarKness> where do I change the module order?
[12:34] <VirtualDarKness> ferris, also xkill and killall :)
[12:35] <tuxer> please
[12:35] <tuxer> I need help
[12:35] <tuxer> somebody can write me the source.list by amd64
[12:36] <kent_> scoon, i get this while running the script that compiles the module (this seems strange..):   Kernel source is "2.6.8.1" but running kernel is "2.6.8.1-3-386"
[12:36] <drspin> I think that a GTK+ frontend for snes9x is in order :) I'll get started!!
[12:36] <nirai> ferris get pid number from "ps -l"
[12:36] <nirai> ferris then "kill -9 pidnumber"
[12:37] <GoneBoB> drspin: you mean like GSnes9x-3.12-1, GSnes9x - A Snes9X Frontend for the GNOME project.
[12:37] <drspin> ferris: killall -9 appname
[12:37] <GoneBoB> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gsnes9x/
[12:38] <zenwhen> is there a GBA emulator with joystick support?
[12:38] <scoon> kent_, yea.  looks the headers you have are not the same as the running kernel.
[12:38] <ferris> drspin: and all thanks
[12:38] <scoon> kent_, you can build your own kernel but that would require a reboot.
[12:38] <drspin> GoneBoB: yes -- unfortunately it lacks the necessary patch (which I can't compile because I can't install gnome-devel) that would allow my joystick to function
[12:38] <GoneBoB> drspin: aha
[12:38] <ferris> the killall -9 appname worked like a charm
[12:39] <GoneBoB> yeah looks like last release 2001
[12:39] <tuxer> please, somebody have a amd64?
[12:39] <GoneBoB> which would be GTK1/GNOME1 vintage
[12:39] <drspin> GoneBoB: yup :'(
[12:39] <GoneBoB> tuxer: what's wrong with the one you have
[12:39] <neighborlee> anyone have experience converting mp3 to wav in xmms..I just piped it through disk writer..I got a .wav file but its not playing when I try to open it in xmms ??
[12:39] <drspin> perhaps I'll jsut update it!!!
[12:39] <drspin> ...fork it
[12:39] <drspin> ;)
[12:39] <GoneBoB> neighborlee: you probably still haev the disk writer output plugin selected :)
[12:40] <neighborlee> nope I dont
[12:40] <neighborlee> GoneBoB, although it did seem to 'convert' it rather quickly
[12:41] <tuxer> GoneBoB, I need the source.list for amd64
[12:41] <neighborlee> GoneBoB, yeah it does it in like literally a few seconds
[12:41] <GoneBoB> tuxer: do you have one at all
[12:41] <tuxer> but?
[12:42] <tuxer> GoneBoB, They are compilate for amd64?
[12:42] <GoneBoB> tuxer: what do you want to acheive
[12:42] <GoneBoB> and what is wrong
[12:42] <GoneBoB> there is ubuntu for amd64
[12:42] <GoneBoB> but it will install with a sources.list that's correct by default
[12:42] <tuxer> yes, i have a ubuntu for amd64
[12:43] <tuxer> but later, i like update and upgrade my system with amd64 package
[12:43] <tuxer> sorry for my poor english
[12:44] <GoneBoB> that's ok
[12:44] <GoneBoB> it's setup for that already
[12:44] <tuxer> ah, okis
[12:44] <tuxer> so, thanks
[12:45] <tuxer> now, i need fix the hotplug
[12:45] <GoneBoB> what's wrong with hotplug
[12:45] <tuxer> When I boot my system , hotplug crack
[12:45] <GoneBoB> errors with pciehp?
[12:45] <tuxer> I don't know
[12:45] <tuxer> the system stop
[12:46] <tuxer> in this point
[12:46] <GoneBoB> yeah it loads all the drivers
[12:46] <GoneBoB> it takes a while
[12:46] <tuxer> 4 min?
[12:46] <GoneBoB> that's a long time
[12:46] <tuxer> ah okis
[12:46] <drspin> how can I upgrade to hoary?
[12:47] <GoneBoB> drspin: change the sources.list to point to hoary
[12:47] <GoneBoB> drspin: stuff WILL break
[12:48] <scizzo> drspin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[12:48] <tuxer> GoneBoB, thanks for all
[12:50] <discord> does the universe repository no longer exist?; where do i get the libdvdcss package?
[12:51] <Riddell> discord: universe exists, libdvdcss is from marillet
[12:51] <neighborlee> GoneBoB, ok nm its working now..i've no idea why it wasn't before but its fine now..o_0 ;-)
[12:51] <discord> is that another repository?
[12:51] <discord> and is that where i get other codecs from also
[12:52] <GoneBoB> neighborlee: heh
[12:52] <Riddell> discord: "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main"  use testing instead of unstable for warty
[12:52] <discord> oh i c
[12:52] <discord> thanks
[12:52] <Cloudchaser> hiya eaveryone..i just went to a website that has a broadcast and i get this message: This page contains information of a type (application/x-mplayer2) that can only be viewed with the appropriate plug-in...
[12:52] <Cloudchaser> but i don't see anything like that in synaptic
[12:53] <drspin> cloudchaser: install the mplayer mozilla plugin
[12:53] <Cloudchaser> ok do i get that from mozilla?
[12:54] <drspin> Synaptic
[12:54] <Cloudchaser> i looked in all 3 multimedia categories
[12:55] <drspin> click the search button on the top-right type in mozilla and click search
[12:55] <jazzka> hi!
[12:56] <jazzka> I've installed ubuntu's mldonkey, but I would like to upgrade to the latest mldonkey stable version
[12:56] <discord> Riddell, It is saying that it cannot connect to that repository
[12:56] <jazzka> any help?
[12:56] <Cloudchaser> ah ok thanks ;)
[12:57] <Cloudchaser> fooey it has unresolvable dependencies
[12:57] <discord> weird i wonder what im going wrong
[12:58] <Cloudchaser> i thought synaptic took care of all that
[12:58] <discord> yeah the site is up
[12:58] <discord> i can look through the repository through mozilla
[12:58] <discord> must be entering something wrong
[12:58] <discord> in synaptic
[12:59] <Riddell> discord: it may just be complaining about not getting a signature for the archive
[01:00] <Cloudchaser> ok so somewhere i thought i saw instructions for installing mplayer
[01:01] <discord> no i dont seem to be able to get the packages from there
[01:01] <discord> and I am following the directions on the wikipage
[01:01] <discord> :[
[01:01] <Cloudchaser>  the wiki shows 'how to install mplayer from hoary in warty
[01:01] <Cloudchaser> isn't there one for warty?
[01:02] <Cloudchaser> i don't have any hoary stuf at all
[01:03] <phyberoptix> just changes your sources
[01:03] <Cloudchaser> but then i'll have mixed stuff
[01:03] <Cloudchaser> why isn't there anything for warty?
[01:04] <phyberoptix> becuase hoary is the up and coming
[01:04] <Cloudchaser> thats all fine and good but warty is the stable one
[01:04] <phyberoptix> yeah but take xchat for instance
[01:04] <phyberoptix> do you want 2.0.8 or 2.4.1
[01:05] <Cloudchaser> i don't much care i don't think
[01:05] <discord> time to aptitude
[01:05] <phyberoptix> older stuff sucks
[01:06] <phyberoptix> bottom line
[01:06] <ferris> what advantage is there with X Chat 2.4.1?
[01:06] <GoneBoB> nfi
[01:06] <scoon> none
[01:06] <GoneBoB> I use irssi
[01:06] <Cloudchaser> ok so you have people like me who go for stable but have to jump through hoops to listen to something on the internet
[01:07] <Cloudchaser> mplayer's been around a while and it should be available for warty
[01:07] <Cloudchaser> i get mixed messages regarding ubuntu and linux in general
[01:08] <scoon> Cloudchaser, what kind of mixed msgs are you getting
[01:09] <GoneBoB> Cloudchaser: the catch is that mplayer etc is available and does everything
[01:09] <GoneBoB> however it's technically infringing on some fairly hefty patents
[01:09] <Cloudchaser> but its in hoary repos but not warty
[01:10] <Cloudchaser> warty is the "released...stable" right?
[01:10] <phyberoptix> u could manually download it
[01:10] <crimsun> Cloudchaser: yes.
[01:10] <snerfu> I have run into a problem after some upgrades while using hoary, the linux-restricted-modules package would not install, after further investigation it seemed that the command it was running during postinstall: "sudo depmod -a -F /boot/System.map-2.6.9-1-386 2.6.9-1-386" returns a segfault. An strace didn't seem to reveal anything useful. One thing I have done is to reinstall the binutils package.
[01:11] <Cloudchaser> is there anything else i could use instead of mplayer plugin?
[01:11] <umarmung> Cloudchaser, I used totem-xine+mozplugger, worked fine
[01:12] <Cloudchaser> ok i'm pretty sure i installed totem-xine
[01:12] <Cloudchaser> but i don't know about mozplugger
[01:12] <umarmung> there is a howto in the ubuntuforums
[01:12] <Cloudchaser> ok thanks..i did find it in the repo
[01:13] <Cloudchaser> i'll lookin the forums now
[01:13] <kompulsive> anyone here used fluxbox?
[01:13] <crimsun> kompulsive: sure
[01:14] <snerfu> Yes
[01:15] <discord> what do we need to install mplayer?
[01:15] <discord> what repository
[01:15] <Cloudchaser> discord alot of patience ;)
[01:15] <discord> im getting complaints about not having packages for dependancies
[01:15] <Cloudchaser> i got that too so i'll try the mozplugger
[01:16] <discord> yeah i need some patience because after installing all thes codecs i still can not play my xvid file
[01:17] <ferris> discord: I gave up on the mplayer... I tried, but I am not very savvy with linux.... I know windows, but I have only been using Linux for about 3 weeks
[01:18] <Cloudchaser> i've been using linux for a while but i'm still not savvy enough
[01:19] <Cloudchaser> i can't imagine how new users feel
[01:19] <Cloudchaser> discouraged i'd imagine
[01:19] <Cloudchaser> i know i get discouraged sometimes
[01:19] <ferris> if they can find their way into the various help rooms.... they will be fine
[01:19] <scoon> Cloudchaser, ferris, you can go to the mplayer site and compile and install it yourself.  and the codecs as well.
[01:19] <scoon> that is what i did.
[01:19] <Cloudchaser> windows users have expectations that most things will just work
[01:20] <scoon> Cloudchaser, except for windows itself :)
[01:20] <ferris> Cloudchaser, for the most part everything did 'just work'
[01:20] <ferris> not like the old days of linux
[01:21] <scoon> when very little worked
[01:21] <ferris> Thank the mighty programmers for the gui!
[01:21] <crimsun> yes, more xterms for me.
[01:21] <muk_amd64> hiya
[01:21] <nirai> crimsun: Are you busy?
[01:21] <Cloudchaser> well i agree its come a long way
[01:22] <Cloudchaser> and i like and use linux...
[01:22] <crimsun> nirai: not particularly atm, why?
[01:22] <nirai> crimsun: I want to talk about that Firefox freeze up.
[01:22] <Cloudchaser> but its hard to push linux on people who aren't savvy about even windows
[01:22] <crimsun> nirai: sure, what's up?
[01:23] <nirai> I don't know whethere you saw the output of /var/log/ or not on pastebin.com
[01:23] <crimsun> nirai: I did not get a chance to, no
[01:23] <nirai> Anyway I don't think its my video card or driver.
[01:23] <nirai> The rest of the gui works fine.
[01:23] <nirai> Only firefox crashes and nukes the rest of my desktop.
[01:23] <crimsun> nirai: what video driver are/were you using?
[01:23] <nirai> Radeon 9200
[01:24] <crimsun> nirai: the fglrx driver or the radeon driver?
[01:24] <ferris> Cloudchaser, yes, that is true... I have been repairing windows systems for a few years now and have just switched.... I think that some of the watered down versions of Linux, such as Lindows, will bring it to light that it is a great OS
[01:24] <Cloudchaser> my sister in law bought a lindows pc a while back
[01:24] <Cloudchaser> put windows on it
[01:24] <scoon> nirai, are you running warty ?
[01:24] <Cloudchaser> recently her windows got trashed
[01:24] <nirai> Yeah
[01:24] <Cloudchaser> spyware, browser redirectors
[01:24] <Cloudchaser> she installed lindows
[01:25] <nirai> I think its to do with dependency crash or related.
[01:25] <muk_amd64> I'm about to order Maya 6 for linux, can I use this on ubuntu?
[01:25] <scoon> nirai, i was running firefox, warty, java plugin, flash and xfree
[01:25] <muk_amd64> I know people on rpm distros and gentoo use it fine
[01:25] <Cloudchaser> and tried to get a few basic things working like her IM and her online game sites
[01:25] <nirai> I did install fvwm95, Xfce when I installed the security update.
[01:25] <Cloudchaser> she ended up giving up
[01:25] <crimsun> muk_amd64: then there's nothing preventing you from being able to use it on Ubuntu
[01:25] <scoon> nirai, if i would try and open a bunch of tabs my entire sys would lock.
[01:25] <spikeb> wtf?
[01:25] <spikeb> that stuff is supposed to work out of the box on distros like linspire
[01:25] <muk_amd64> crimsun, do you know if it comes in .deb form or something?
[01:26] <Cloudchaser> she lives far from me and i didn't have lindows ever so it was hard for me to help her
[01:26] <crimsun> muk_amd64: I do not know
[01:26] <Cloudchaser> and her lindows was a couple years old i think
[01:26] <scoon> nirai, i thought it was my hardware, wireless card or video card.
[01:26] <muk_amd64> can you install it as an rpm?
[01:26] <spikeb> Cloudchaser, do you have a spare machine to put lindows on if you had a copy?
[01:26] <scoon> nirai, but it turned out to be xfree just choking.
[01:26] <scoon> nirai, nothing ever got logged, that is the darndest thing.
[01:26] <spikeb> hmm
[01:26] <muk_amd64> Cloudchaser, don't use lindows or linspire, they stink
[01:27] <Cloudchaser> i could probably install it on an old windows pc i use for holding files and dvd burning and whatnot
[01:27] <nirai> I don't know for sure but I think its something serious.
[01:27] <spikeb> Cloudchaser, nevermind, i seem to have lost mine
[01:27] <scoon> nirai, i am running hoary now with xorg and i have been to the same sites that would crash and now i can have over a dozen tabs open.
[01:27] <spikeb> i had a copy from a promotional offer that i would be willing to give for a good cause, but i think i tossed it
[01:27] <scoon> nirai, with no problems.
[01:27] <Cloudchaser> hehe s'ok spikeb thanks anyway
[01:27] <spikeb> Cloudchaser, :)
[01:27] <muk_amd64> Cloudchaser, if you want new-person friendly linux, get suse
[01:27] <spikeb> ugh
[01:27] <Cloudchaser> i tried suse
[01:27] <spikeb> suse is too complicated
[01:27] <Cloudchaser> on my laptop
[01:27] <Cloudchaser> it hated my video
[01:28] <spikeb> and it's a cluttered mess
[01:28] <spikeb> heh
[01:28] <Cloudchaser> and of course..i coudln't get it to work
[01:28] <ferris> suse would not install on my laptop
[01:28] <nirai> Yeah I mean tabs by the menu bar at the top.  That would freeze up the whole system.
[01:28] <muk_amd64> wow
[01:28] <spikeb> i've used xandros open edition - it was pretty nice.
[01:28] <Cloudchaser> i had thought aobut buying xandros at some point
[01:28] <ferris> RH installed but did not work well
[01:28] <nirai> Before the system was running good.
[01:28] <crimsun> nirai: I have no recollection of you answering my driver question.
[01:28] <Cloudchaser> because people like my mom would use linux
[01:28] <spikeb> Cloudchaser, you could have your mom try xandros
[01:28] <Cloudchaser> she does email and internet stuff
[01:28] <ferris> KNoppix worked but the KDE took way too much mem
[01:29] <Cloudchaser> i just don't have any spare money at the moment
[01:29] <spikeb> there's a free edition of xandros.
[01:29] <muk_amd64> thanks crimsun I'll dual boot suse and ubuntu first, make sure maya works
[01:29] <nirai> Running better than any distro out there.
[01:29] <Cloudchaser> and it would have to work with all the internet stuff
[01:29] <spikeb> muk_amd64, good idea
[01:29] <muk_amd64> yeah
[01:29] <scoon> nirai, what worked for me was just opening 1 or 2 tabs at a time.  Letting them load and then open up 1 or 2 more.
[01:29] <ferris> Ubuntu has been the best for my system
[01:29] <muk_amd64> only problem I have with suse is we get gnome 2.6 that's supposedly been added on to make it have all the great stuff 2.8 has
[01:30] <Cloudchaser> ubuntu installed and detected all my stuff nicely
[01:30] <muk_amd64> it's basically ximian desktop
[01:30] <nirai> crimsun: I'm the one that asked help.
[01:30] <spikeb> obviously Cloudchaser feels ubuntu isn't ready for his mom :)
[01:30] <ferris> but then i am using the Xfce desktop
[01:30] <liquidbo> i'm trying to compile "racer" from source, and have followed the instructions on www.racer.nl, but when i type "make" this happens: make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[01:30] <spikeb> er
[01:30] <muk_amd64> ubuntu and sata's have no trouble, right?
[01:30] <spikeb> how embarassing
[01:30] <spikeb> HER mom, then.
[01:30] <scoon> doh
[01:30] <Cloudchaser> hehe s'ok
[01:30] <muk_amd64> liquidbo, try ./configure first
[01:30] <liquidbo> and yep, i have installed gcc
[01:30] <Cloudchaser> i'm used ot it ;)
[01:30] <liquidbo> ok
[01:30] <spikeb> Cloudchaser, your nick makes me think of robert plant
[01:30] <crimsun> nirai: I have no recollection of you answering my driver question.
[01:30] <spikeb> so i assumed a man LOL
[01:30] <zack_> How do I set up a printer?
[01:31] <nirai> crimsun What driver question is that?
[01:31] <liquidbo> ./configure
[01:31] <liquidbo> oop[e
[01:31] <liquidbo> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[01:31] <zack_> How do I set up a printer?
[01:31] <nirai> crimsun: It has nothing to do with Radeon 9200.  Its running ok.
[01:31] <crimsun> 19:24 < crimsun> nirai: the fglrx driver or the radeon driver?
[01:32] <snerfu> I have run into a problem after some upgrades while using hoary, the linux-restricted-modules package would not install, after further investigation it seemed that the command it was running during postinstall: "sudo depmod -a -F /boot/System.map-2.6.9-1-386 2.6.9-1-386" returns a segfault. An strace didn't seem to reveal anything useful. One thing I have done is to reinstall the binutils package.
[01:32] <nirai> and how do I know which driver is being used?
[01:32] <crimsun> snerfu: have you checked bugzilla?
[01:33] <crimsun> nirai: look in your log file
[01:33] <discord> anyone have an nforce 2 motherboard and have their sound working?
[01:33] <zack_> how do I install a printer? how do I install a printer?how do I install a printer?how do I install a printer?how do I install a printer?how do I install a printer?how do I install a printer?how do I install a printer?how do I install a printer?how do I install a printer?how do I install a printer?how do I install a printer?how do I install a printer?how do I install a printer?how do I install a printer?how do I install a printer?
[01:33] <spikeb> zack_, firstly, but not being an annoying twit.
[01:33] <GoneBoB> zack_: ince is sufficient.
[01:33] <crimsun> zack_: I don't think I heard you.
[01:33] <liquidbo> muk_amd64: could it be i'm using the wrong version of gcc?
[01:33] <GoneBoB> once
[01:33] <zack_> please tell me
[01:33] <nirai> Ok wait a sec..
[01:34] <snerfu> cimsun, no actually just the forums and google. Thanks, forgot about it having bugzilla
[01:34] <Cloudchaser> did you go to system configuration/printing?
[01:34] <Cloudchaser> new printer?
[01:34] <discord> zack_, try under computer > system configuration > printing
[01:34] <gwildor> lol
[01:34] <zack_> no, had it on windoze
[01:34] <zack_> k
[01:34] <method55> where can i find the system fonts (newbie to linux and ubuntu)
[01:35] <nirai> crimsun: Does this sound like a driver?  radeon 1.11.0
[01:35] <spikeb> yes it does
[01:35] <discord> method55 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
[01:35] <crimsun> nirai: yep
[01:36] <unperson> If I want to know the size of all the files with a directory and all levels of subdirectories?  Will 'du -sh' give me the answer I want?
[01:36] <method55> i found some in usr/share/fonts/ too?
[01:36] <crimsun> nirai: I do not know if scoon uses fglrx
[01:36] <scoon> crimsun, i use nvidia
[01:36] <discord> there are fonts for the console and fonts for X
[01:36] <method55> if i wanted to install a TTF font for use in say in open office or gimp or something
[01:37] <method55> where would i place it?
[01:37] <discord> anyone using nforce 2 sound have an nforce 2 motherboard working?
[01:37] <spikeb> hmm
[01:37] <nirai> I still think its Synaptic.  There must be a conflict somewhere.
[01:37] <Riddell> method55: fonts:/  (that's KDE but it's similar in gnome)
[01:37] <discord> method55, check the gimp help file
[01:38] <crimsun> nirai: for your Mozilla-Firefox issue?
[01:38] <nirai> Thing is I can't tell where it went wrong.
[01:38] <method55> okay...thanks all
[01:38] <nirai> Yeah just the Firefox.  Mozilla is ok.
[01:38] <crimsun> scoon: and the problems went away when you dist-upgraded to Hoary?
[01:38] <scoon> crimsun, yes.  I think it was xfree that was locking.  but nothing ever got logged.
[01:39] <scoon> crimsun, i am very comfy with linux.  it has been my ONLY os since 1996
[01:39] <crimsun> scoon: did you ever try booting with "noapic"?
[01:39] <crimsun> scoon: same here.
[01:39] <ftwig> have alsa-tools but cant find alsaconfig, am I missing something?
[01:39] <scoon> crimsun, yes.  and the problem was still the same.
[01:39] <crimsun> I haven't budged from Debian since '97
[01:39] <spikeb> i didn't come onboard until 1998
[01:40] <scoon> crimsun, i thought that it was my wireless card crapping out on me.
[01:40] <ferris> how can i turn up the volume on my laptop?
[01:40] <snerfu> I used to use slackware/netbsd from 97 to 2002 when i found debian.
[01:40] <scoon> crimsun, but i hoary'd last eve and really banged on it this afty and have had over a dozen tabes open
[01:40] <spikeb> i've used everything under the sun
[01:40] <spikeb> still haven't found a distro i like. heh
[01:41] <ftwig> ferris: install gnome-alsamixer or use alsamixer.  I think it comes up if you double click on the speacker icon
[01:41] <liquidbo> ...
[01:41] <scoon> ubuntu is the best that i have used.
[01:41] <scoon> i used rh from v5.2 until 8
[01:41] <ferris> ftwig, i am using XFce
[01:41] <ferris> i do not have icons
[01:41] <snerfu> I agree, ubuntu is the best I have used as well, and I even installed it for my relatives.
[01:41] <scoon> tried gentoo for about 18mos and then tried this.
[01:41] <scoon> i love it.
[01:41] <scoon> ferris
[01:41] <ferris> snerfu: same
[01:41] <scoon> i am using xfce now as well.
[01:41] <scoon> it rocks.
[01:42] <ftwig> ferris: install gnome-alsamixer and run it ;)
[01:42] <spikeb> im mostly using ubuntu right now because my cds arrived, and because i've actually been able to help people a little
[01:42] <ferris> ok
[01:42] <ftwig> ferris: you dont have to be running gnome to use gnome tools
[01:42] <scoon> spikeb, i don't know what else anyone could be looking for but this has been the best yet.
[01:42] <Cloudchaser> i like ubuntu alot too..better than redhat in most things...just a few things missing that i liked in redhat
[01:42] <Cloudchaser> but not too much
[01:43] <nirai> If I could criticise Ubuntu then it will the Synaptic Package Manager.  Its just too powerful.
[01:43] <scoon> nirai, to powerfull ?
[01:43] <spikeb> i think synaptic is horrible, but it's still better than many other things
[01:43] <nirai> Lets me do things without fully understanding whats going on.
[01:44] <liquidbo> so no one has any ideas? afaik i installed gcc properly (from synaptic)... i dont understand why it doesnt work...
[01:44] <gwildor> i think its an ubuntu thing.......i have heard
[01:45] <gwildor> like "thats just the way it is" kinda thing
[01:45] <scoon> nirai, what don't you understand.
[01:45] <scoon> nirai, that is a windows thing, just seeing buttons and pushing them.
[01:45] <scoon> nirai, i have found that linux is more of a hobby and i enjoy learning and understanding it.
[01:46] <VirtualDarKness> is there someone expert of update-modules?
[01:47] <scoon> VirtualDarKness, have you checked the man page ?
[01:47] <crimsun> VirtualDarKness: what do you need?
[01:48] <ferris> scoon: how do I update the menus for XFCE?
[01:49] <scoon> ferris, use the menu editor.
[01:49] <Cloudchaser> ok..who suggested mozplugger?
[01:49] <ferris> scoon: where is that?
[01:49] <Cloudchaser> i have a question about configuring it ;)
[01:49] <VirtualDarKness> scoon, yes but it is a bit generic.
[01:50] <VirtualDarKness> crimsun, I need to have the bttv module loaded after the emu-10k1 one
[01:51] <karlos> is that etc/modules..?
[01:51] <nirai> I can't see any log files for apt-get or synaptic.  Where should I look for one?
[01:51] <scoon> ferris, in the setting menu
[01:51] <scoon> ferris, right click on the screen
[01:51] <crimsun> VirtualDarKness: place it after snd-emu10k1 then in /etc/modules
[01:51] <scoon> VirtualDarKness, why ?  i use them and have no problems.
[01:52] <crimsun> update-modules is unnecessary with a 2.6 kernel and module-initl
[01:52] <VirtualDarKness> crimsun, I don't have them both in /etc/modules
[01:52] <crimsun> module-init-tools, rather
[01:52] <VirtualDarKness> scoon, I have no sound on gnome but my auido card works (I can hear my voice throught speakers if I talk into the mic.)
[01:53] <VirtualDarKness> (and volumes in alsamixer are ok but to change them I've to run alsamixer -c 1)
[01:53] <McGoo> nirai: cat /var/log/aptitude
[01:53] <scoon> VirtualDarKness, that sounds more like a alsa problem.
[01:53] <nirai> Oh thanks McGoo.
[01:54] <ferris> scoon: I do not have a menu editor.... If I go into 'All Settings' I have the following Choices...Desktop back drop, Desktop workspaces, Mouse, Keyboard, file Manager, user interface, window manager, workspace margins, and sfce panel
[01:54] <ftwig> have alsa-tools but cant find alsaconfig, am I missing something?
[01:54] <crimsun> VirtualDarKness: it sounds like your sblive/audigy is being loaded second
[01:54] <VirtualDarKness> crimsun, yes I think that this is the problem
[01:54] <crimsun> ftwig: 'alsaconf' is in the 'alsa-utils' package
[01:55] <crimsun> ftwig: and if you have a pci/usb sound device, it's not necessary
[01:55] <scoon> ferris, i have a desktop entry in my preferences.
[01:55] <ferris> i do not have that
[01:55] <scoon> ferris, there are 2 tabs. the 2nd one gets me there.  but i am running rc3 of xfce.
[01:55] <scoon> ferris, i got the installers and installed them locally.
[01:55] <scoon> that is what i use.
[01:55] <scoon> ferris, i didn't apt them.
[01:56] <scoon> ferris, i wanted the newer ones.  and i installed them locally since i was upgrading to hoary, i wanted to make certain i had a usable desktop.
[01:56] <VirtualDarKness> mm is there some packages of alsa that aren't installed with the base install and that I should need?
[01:56] <scoon> ferris, one that i could get to w/ a startx and not gdm if need be.
[01:56] <geeb> does gstreamer-mad give mp3 support to ubuntu's rhythmbox ?
[01:57] <VirtualDarKness> (alsa-headers or alsa-oss ?)
[01:57] <ftwig> crimsum, I have alsa-utils, am using horay - is something broken?
[01:57] <liquidbo> um, is anyone going to give me an answer?
[01:57] <geeb> liquidbo: 42.
[01:57] <liquidbo> :P
[01:57] <crimsun> geeb: 'gstreamer0.8-mad', yes
[01:57] <geeb> :)
[01:57] <geeb> crimsun: great, thanks
[01:57] <liquidbo> nope, i meant about the gcc / trying to compile racer, not working thing...
[01:57] <crimsun> ftwig: not with regards to sound in current hoary, no
[01:57] <crimsun> ftwig: why?
[01:58] <ftwig> liquidbo, if you nobody knows here try either debian channel of the email list.
[01:58] <liquidbo> ok
[01:58] <VirtualDarKness> brb
[01:59] <blocka> how do i isntall a Makefile?
[01:59] <ftwig> crimsun, cos I have alsa-utils, have done updatedb and locate alsaconfig returns nothing ;(
[01:59] <crimsun> ftwig: I don't think you read what I typed
[02:00] <blocka> isn't it ./Makefile?
[02:00] <davyd> blocka: 'make'
[02:00] <geeb> hum
[02:00] <geeb> why are gstreamer 0.6 and 0.8 both installable ?
[02:00] <geeb> is it fine to do so ?
[02:00] <blocka> just make
[02:00] <blocka> ?
[02:01] <ftwig> blocka, do ./configure in the directory then make then make install.  If things go a bit pair shaped make clean resets stull.  make remove is the oposit of make install (or is it make uninstall cant remember.
[02:01] <crimsun> geeb: of course it's fine
[02:01] <geeb> okedokey then
[02:02] <sobralense> I'm needing some help here... kinda.. I'd like to remove all the cups packages... but if I ask to remove one, it removes all the ubuntu-desktop package
[02:02] <sobralense> any tip?
[02:03] <crimsun> ftwig: note how there is no "alsaconfig"
[02:03] <crimsun> ftwig: there is only an "alsaconf"
[02:03] <geeb> sobralense: lots of gnome things can be compiled with cups support. The ubuntu packages have, and so need at least the cups libs
[02:03] <ftwig> crimsim, yes - but alsaconf is not anywhere either ;(
[02:03] <crimsun> ftwig: [crimsun@opeth ~] % dlocate alsaconf
[02:03] <crimsun> alsa-utils: /usr/sbin/alsaconf
[02:04] <ftwig> crimsim, its not there;(
[02:04] <ferris> crimsun: apps>system> admin
[02:04] <ftwig> crimsim, only alsactl
[02:05] <ferris> i have a short cut their
[02:05] <ferris> there
[02:05] <crimsun> ferris: come again?
[02:05] <crimsun> ftwig: sudo apt-get --reinstall install alsa-utils
[02:05] <ferris> crimsun: R click desktop... then go to Apps>System>Admin
[02:06] <ferris> of course i get the message that it is an X11 app.
[02:06] <ferris> i think i need to install X11
[02:06] <ferris> ??
[02:06] <ftwig> sobralense, u sure it is removing all the ubuntu-desktop packages, not just the ubuntu-desktop package.  cups is part of the ubuntu-desktop package so removing ti would mean you do not have that package any more (I think)
[02:07] <crimsun> ferris: I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're talking about. You appear to have addressed me regarding something you were discussing with someone else/other people.
[02:08] <ftwig> crimsun, ta - giving the reinstall a go - BTW what is dlocate?
[02:08] <maheanuu> Hello everyone, Just recieved 10 sets of x86 discs and 2 AMD 64 ones and getting ready to pass them out
[02:08] <crimsun> maheanuu: good to hear
[02:09] <crimsun> ftwig: apt-cache show dlocate
[02:09] <maheanuu> I haven't done an install but will do one tomorrow, saving a copy of the 64 bit OS for my next AMD MoBo on my wish list
[02:10] <ferris> crimsun: I thought you were trying to get the sound to work....
[02:10] <crimsun> ferris: I think you're mistaking me for ftwig?
[02:10] <ftwig> crimsun, ta - still not got alsaconfig but dont think I need it as I have a PCI soundcard - went back and read previous stuff you said.  Sorry for being a plonker ;)
[02:11] <maheanuu> How does ubuntu compare to Suse?  I am more familiar with it than ubuntu, but I like what ubuntu stands for and their human interest
[02:11] <ferris> crimsun: I think you are right
[02:11] <ftwig> ferris, maybe but you look verry different ;)
[02:11] <nirai> Suse uses Yast2 and it was evil.  Really evil.
[02:11] <ferris> ftwig.... lol
[02:12] <crimsun> ftwig: Debian/Ubuntu does not ship an alsaconfig.
[02:12] <crimsun> ftwig: it ships an alsaconf in the 'alsa-utils' package.
[02:13] <ftwig> crimsun, ok - I think it was demudi I was using it with - pitty ubuntu douse not have a low latency kernel - its on my todo list.
[02:13] <maheanuu> How does the install go?  I will be finding out how easy it will be tomorrow, but what I am wondering is do I need to recompile the kernel for the distros I install, or is it automatic?
[02:14] <ftwig> crimsun - sorry, I ment alsaconf
[02:14] <sobralense> Is there any way to uninstall cups*.deb and dont get ubuntu-desktop uninstalled too?
[02:14] <spikeb> sobralense, you dont need ubuntu-desktop
[02:14] <spikeb> so dont worry
[02:14] <ferris> crimsun, i installed alsa-utils throught the synaptec
[02:14] <crimsun> maheanuu: there's no need to recompile the kernel
[02:14] <siulca> Does anyone know if the installation of graphics card drivers is going to be easier anytime soon?
[02:15] <grepper> yep, just keep using the same graphics card :)
[02:15] <ferris> however, when I run it, it starts and closes....
[02:15] <grepper> I didn't have to do anything for my radeon 7500
[02:15] <spikeb> installing fglrx was easy for me
[02:16] <crimsun> siulca: for the common subset of graphics card drivers, it's transparent. It "works."
[02:16] <sgarrity> anyone here running Ubuntu on a ThinkPad T30?
[02:16] <siulca> I looked at I'm looking at a how to for the ATI drivers and I'm reluctant to do it as it looks like I have to take a course on programming/Linux first! :(
[02:17] <ferris> nope, sony viao
[02:17] <dmallery> hi trying to set up ppp using the system configuration > networking menu option.  it's the only net option on the list.  the check box shows check for a second, then clears it when i select activate.
[02:17] <siulca> crimsun, I want to be able to play ET
[02:17] <crimsun> siulca: you should be using whatever Ubuntu Warty provides
[02:17] <crimsun> siulca: in other words, have you followed the BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki?
[02:17] <riley> i've been using ubuntu for awhile now one one of my systems and I really like the human theme... is there a way to copy it over to my other system?  does anybody know where it's located on the hard disk?
[02:18] <siulca> crimsun, that's what I'm talking about... it looks scary. Why isn;t it easier?!
[02:18] <siulca> crimsun, is it so hard to automate the installation?
[02:18] <ferris> security
[02:19] <crimsun> siulca: the installation is already automated
[02:19] <crimsun> siulca: you just need to follow directions.
[02:20] <siulca> crimsun: you call the ATI howTo "automated"?!! LOL
[02:21] <snerfu> Weird my problem with the depmod thing earlier appeared to just be a problem with 2.6.9, I just installed 2.6.10 alright
[02:22] <kompulsive> is there anyone here that has switched from gentoo to ubuntu?
[02:22] <dmallery> hi trying to set up ppp using the system configuration > networking menu option.  it's the only net option on the list.  the check box shows check for a second, then clears it when i select activate.  modem and cable known good and answer minicom.  network setup correctly detects modem.
[02:22] <spikeb> i have
[02:23] <stuNNed_> where is QTDIR?
[02:24] <Kamion> siulca: which howto is that? (URL)
[02:25] <crimsun> siulca: afaik, you install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` and follow several additional modification steps
[02:25] <crimsun> siulca: seems fairly automated to me -- you don't have to compile anything
[02:25] <Kamion> linux-restricted-modules is installed by default
[02:25] <adroit> hello
[02:25] <crimsun> then heck, even simpler
[02:26] <adroit> what is the diference betwen warty and hoary???
[02:26] <siulca> Kamion: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5246
[02:26] <crimsun> adroit: warty is the stable released version. hoary is still in development; it is the next stable release.
[02:27] <siulca> Kamion: lol, so as long as the general public doesn;t have to compile anything, it's considered automated in Linux terms?!
[02:27] <adroit> crimsun: is recomendable hoary??
[02:27] <Kamion> siulca: please don't ever put words into my mouth
[02:27] <rfxl> does anyone could run gdesklets on hoary?
[02:27] <Kamion> siulca: I corrected a single thing that crimsun said and suddenly you attack me
[02:27] <spikeb> adroit, not yet
[02:27] <stuNNed_> crimsun, do you know what QTDIR is set to?
[02:28] <crimsun> siulca: _I_ consider it fairly automated because one doesn't have to compile anything. Kamion said nothing of the sort regarding opinions of automation.
[02:28] <rfxl> I tried, but I got always the same error: File "/usr/share/gdesklets/factory/DisplayFactory.py", line 99, in create_display
[02:28] <rfxl>     dsp.new_child(childtype, settings, children)
[02:29] <dmallery> could someone please help me with a ppp setup issue?  thanks.
[02:29] <adroit> spikeb: is posible install firefox 1.0 in warty without change the repoository to hopary??
[02:29] <Kamion> I've seen more complex procedures than those in BinaryDriverHowto in the wiki, but it could certainly use some more work.
[02:29] <siulca> Kamion: I'm not attacking anyone, I'm just making a reference to the user friendliness of Linux ATI driver instalation. Don;t forget that we're not all programmers... we're M$ users and we're used to clicking Next after Next buttons to install anything... I'm sorry but that's what I call automated.
[02:29] <spikeb> adroit, yes - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[02:30] <Kamion> siulca: no, you're having a go at me for something I didn't say. Bye-bye, /ignore.
[02:30] <crimsun> stuNNed_: what are you attempting to do?
[02:30] <siulca> whatever, if can;t have an adult discussion then you probably shouldn't be here.
[02:31] <spikeb> adroit, i use the backports repo
[02:31] <crimsun> siulca: no need to attack him; he simply corrected what I wrongly said
[02:31] <siulca> where did i attack anyone? I was simply making a comment?!!
[02:32] <crimsun> siulca: please remember that you can also use the forum and the mailing lists to discuss various aspects of making installation of various programs and drivers more straightforward
[02:32] <Kamion> anything that starts "lol, " isn't a particularly adult discussion
[02:32] <adroit> spikeb: just change the repository??
[02:32] <siulca> crimsun: thanks for that
[02:32] <spikeb> adroit, just add it and run an upgrade
[02:32] <siulca> crimsun: but I probably won't bother.
[02:32] <spikeb> adroit, it'll upgrade a couple things like firefox and xchat, and they should work dandy
[02:33] <stuNNed_> crimsun, compile a qt app that is not in any repo, qlo10k1
[02:33] <crimsun> siulca: well, it's one thing to ask [complain]  about something not working; it's another thing altogether to ask [complain]  and also to give helpful suggestions, perhaps even give patches and feedback
[02:34] <adroit> spikeb: there have many repository, which I put into fstab???
[02:35] <spikeb> adroit, you put it into /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:35] <spikeb> adroit, you only need the one for backports though
[02:35] <scoon> did someone say "adult discussion"
[02:35] <stuNNed_> crimsun, where are the qt devel libs stored?
[02:35] <scoon> oh boy, this year is not ending to nicely.
[02:35] <siulca> crimsun: I'm sorry, the next time I see something that needs improving I'll sort it out first and then I'll come here!
[02:35] <crimsun> siulca: np. We're all it this together, thank you.
[02:36] <crimsun> in this, rather
[02:36] <adroit> spikeb: markushubig??? this one??
[02:36] <spikeb> adroit, look at this http://www.cuodan.net/~spike/sources.list
[02:36] <crimsun> stuNNed_: you should use --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3
[02:36] <spikeb> adroit, you can copy that entire file if you want - those are what i use
[02:36] <crimsun> stuNNed_: some info (not all, since it can be outdated) on http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianKDE may be useful for you
[02:37] <adroit> spikeb: nice, thanks a lot
[02:37] <spikeb> adroit, no problem
[02:37] <adroit> spikeb: update and upgrade??
[02:37] <stuNNed_> thanks crimsun
[02:37] <gobeav1> I'm trying to install cedega by CVS, but it keeps asking for a CVS password. Any ideas?
[02:37] <spikeb> adroit, yes
[02:37] <adroit> spikeb: no more??
[02:37] <spikeb> goatboy, try anonymous or enter
[02:38] <spikeb> adroit, not if you just want a newer firefox and xchat
[02:38] <adroit> and thunderbird??
[02:39] <siulca> crimsun: how hard would it be to make a program that does with one click, all that the howTo tells me to do? It can;t be that hard for people that develop and manage a whole OS and aps!
[02:39] <gobeav1> anonymous nor pressing enter work
[02:39] <Cloudchaser> well mozplugger got mefurther but i have no sound
[02:39] <spikeb> adroit, should have thunderbird in there yeah
[02:39] <adroit> spikeb: and thunderbird?? and gaim??
[02:39] <Cloudchaser> and if i copy the older codecs as suggested
[02:39] <spikeb> adroit, im not sure which version of thunderbird though
[02:39] <Cloudchaser> it might mess up something that needs newer ones?
[02:39] <stuNNed_> crimsun, worked, thanks! :D
[02:40] <Kamion> siulca: probably wouldn't be too hard, it's just there are a million other things to do that are more important ...
[02:41] <gobeav1> anyone know cedega and the CVS password?
[02:41] <siulca> Kamion: I thought you were ignoring me :(
[02:41] <nirai> gobeav1: What about "null"?
[02:41] <Kamion> I usually wait a while to see if somebody continues to be obnoxious
[02:42] <siulca> Kamion: but I appreciate that you're not.
[02:42] <Kamion> we'd be happy to take a contribution of a little pygtk thingy that did the job
[02:42] <gobeav1> nirai: didnt work
[02:43] <nirai> Maybe be anonymous in another language?
[02:43] <gobeav1> it says: \033Password is probably\033 : \033cvs\033
[02:43] <Kamion> sometimes it's "anoncvs"
[02:44] <gobeav1> but it isnt clear what the password is, and I tried a bunch of those combos
[02:44] <Kamion> gobeav1: what CVSROOT are you using?
[02:44] <gobeav1> kamion: nope,
[02:44] <gobeav1> huh?
[02:44] <Kamion> cvs -d ...
[02:44] <gobeav1> I'm just running WineCVS.sh
[02:44] <gobeav1> lemme see
[02:45] <gobeav1> that doesnt work
[02:45] <adroit> spikeb: dont have thunderbird :(
[02:45] <spikeb> hmm
[02:45] <kipod> did someone here found a way to run gDesklets on ubuntu hoary ?
[02:45] <Kamion> generally the CVS server admin documents the username and password (if any) required
[02:45] <adroit> :D
[02:45] <gobeav1> hmmm
[02:45] <gobeav1> that stinks then
[02:45] <_|Imanewbie|_> Is it allowed to free  chat here?
[02:45] <spikeb> hmm
[02:45] <spikeb> i have thunderbird on my list
[02:45] <adroit> :o
[02:46] <gobeav1> the howto im using doesn't mention a username/pass
[02:46] <Kamion> _|Imanewbie|_: "free chat"?
[02:46] <adroit> spikeb: apt-cache search thunderbird??
[02:46] <_|Imanewbie|_> Kamion: complain about the life
[02:46] <gobeav1> please don't :D
[02:46] <Kamion> _|Imanewbie|_: #ubuntu-offtopic better
[02:46] <_|Imanewbie|_> thx
[02:46] <spikeb> adroit, mozilla-thunderbird 0.8-2ubuntu2
[02:47] <Kamion> gobeav1: according to http://www.transgaming.com/sources.php it's username cvs password cvs
[02:47] <adroit> mmm
[02:47] <gobeav1> well, cvs worked :-D
[02:47] <gobeav1> thanks Kamion
[02:47] <gobeav1> but then it just says: TIP: look, behind you!
[02:48] <gobeav1> and does nothing :(
[02:48] <gobeav1> oh wait
[02:48] <gobeav1> its doing stuff
[02:48] <gobeav1> nvm
[02:48] <gobeav1> thanks for the help
[02:48] <Kamion> np
[02:50] <dmallery> hello... could someone help me with a ppp problem??
[02:53] <Kamion> of course, none of the suggested fglrx improvements would help at the moment anyway since the current ATI binary drivers don't work with current X.Org
[02:54] <spikeb> heh
[02:56] <Cloudchaser> is there any way to get a sudo file manager going?
[02:56] <spikeb> um
[02:56] <spikeb> sudo nautilus --no-desktop ?
[02:59] <Cloudchaser> thank you
[02:59] <spikeb> no problem
[03:00] <unperson> I mounted another linux partition (Reiserfs) in ubuntu, but I could not seem to make modifications, even using sudo.  I explicitly mounted with the -w flag and tried again, still no luck.  What am I doing wrong?
[03:00] <Cloudchaser> what does this mean: (nautilus:13552): Bonobo-WARNING **: Leaked a total of 5 refs to 5 bonobo object(s)
[03:01] <sonnyblack> hi all guys
[03:01] <Cloudchaser> well we're not all guys ;) but hiya anyway
[03:01] <spikeb> Cloudchaser, not much
[03:01] <sonnyblack> lol...hi anyway
[03:01] <sonnyblack> :(
[03:01] <sonnyblack> :)
[03:02] <spikeb> Cloudchaser, nautilus and gtk bitch a lot about nothing important
[03:02] <sonnyblack> why i see plenty of these lines in my /var/log/kern.log:
[03:02] <sonnyblack> Dec 31 02:59:07 localhost kernel: Device not ready.  Make sure there is a disc in the drive.
[03:02] <sonnyblack> ?
[03:03] <sonnyblack> one each 5 seconds more or less...i'm not writing anything :?
[03:04] <sonnyblack> what does that mean?
[03:04] <Nivlem> Anyone know of a gui frontend for nfs? Mainly to connect to other exported filesystems..not to run a NFS server
[03:04] <spikeb> nautilus
[03:04] <kipod> how can i downgrade a package?
[03:04] <spikeb> hmm
[03:04] <spikeb> no, it doesnt seem to have a thing to connect
[03:04] <spikeb> nevermind
[03:05] <Nivlem> spikeb: Syntax like the mount command?
[03:05] <sonnyblack> spikeb r u talkin 2 me?
[03:06] <bulio> hey all
[03:07] <bulio> just got my ubuntu discs in the mail
[03:07] <nomasteryoda> yeah!
[03:07] <bulio> I need some help
[03:07] <bulio> I have dsl internet, pppoe authentication
[03:07] <bulio> with usb connection to the pc
[03:07] <bulio> how can I set this up in ubuntu live?
[03:08] <bulio> can someone help me with it?
[03:09] <bulio> Guess no one is on
[03:09] <nomasteryoda> bulio, we're thinking
[03:09] <bulio> ahh
[03:09] <bulio> I see
[03:09] <bulio> :)
[03:10] <sonnyblack> Dec 31 02:59:07 localhost kernel: Device not ready.  Make sure there is a disc in the drive.      <- what does this mean in /var/log/kern.log ?
[03:10] <nomasteryoda> bulio, what model usb is it?
[03:10] <sonnyblack> i have billions of these lines
[03:11] <bulio> noma; Speedstream 5200 dsl modem (external) ethernet and usb support
[03:11] <gwildor> how do i install a.deb from my home dir?
[03:11] <gwildor> a .deb?
[03:11] <bulio> I am using usb, as I have no ethernet connection
[03:12] <bulio> pppoe authentication to isp
[03:12] <sonnyblack> gwildor, sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[03:12] <gwildor> sonnyblack, thnx
[03:12] <bulio> I've heard ubuntu has good usb support
[03:13] <ari_> I installed KDE via apt-get and all went well, however when closing KDE apps I get a KDE crash handler window, does anyone know how to disable the crash handler window? Or help me with this problem???
[03:13] <sonnyblack> gwildor, np...usually i make questions...glad to give answers sometimes :P
[03:13] <KreacH> during installation and booting my pc gives the following error buffer I/O error on hdd, logical block 1 2 oe 3
[03:13] <KreacH> what does it mean ?
[03:13] <nomasteryoda> bulio, look here
[03:13] <nomasteryoda> http://linuxcompatible.org/thread.php?id=28360
[03:14] <KreacH> during installation and booting my pc gives the following error buffer I/O error on hdd, logical block 1 2 oe 3
[03:14] <KreacH> what does it mean ?
[03:14] <Nivlem> ogra: Howdy
[03:14] <ogra> hi
[03:14] <ari_> Hello folks, anyone have tips on my question?
[03:14] <sonnyblack> well...my last attempt, then i stop bothering you all...can anyone help with this log message in /var/log/kern.log: Dec 31 02:59:07 localhost kernel: Device not ready.  Make sure there is a disc in the drive.
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> bulio, and on the wiki
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWiredNetworkCards
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> says it is supported
[03:15] <KreacH> during installation and booting my pc gives the following error buffer I/O error on hdd, logical block 1 2 oe 3
[03:15] <KreacH> what does it mean ?
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> autodetected and works
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> bulio, do you have the bootable up now?
[03:15] <bulio> but it doesn't say about the usb side
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> to look at
[03:16] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:16] <nomasteryoda> but we can look
[03:16] <bulio> not yet
[03:16] <bulio> but if you told me what to do
[03:16] <bulio> I can come back and let you know
[03:17] <KreacH> during installation and booting my pc gives the following error buffer I/O error on hdd, logical block 1 2 oe 3
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> yea, but the messages from the "dmesg" command
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> helps
[03:17] <KreacH> what does it mean ?
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> look at that command
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> and the
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> lsmod
[03:17] <bulio> me?
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> sudo lsmod
[03:17] <bulio> ok what do you want me to do?
[03:17] <bulio> in terminal?
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> or open root terminal and look at it
[03:17] <KreacH> help me plz !!
[03:17] <KreacH> someone :D
[03:17] <bulio> kreach: try #linux
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> bulio, by running that command
[03:17] <bulio> yes
[03:17] <twisted_steel> KreacH: I'm trying to find something relevant on google :/
[03:18] <bulio> I type sudo lsmod in terminal?
[03:18] <nomasteryoda> KreacH, sounds like a HD failure... imminent
[03:18] <nomasteryoda> bulio, yes
[03:18] <bulio> then get the output?
[03:18] <nomasteryoda> bulio, if you open a root terminal then you can type any cmd
[03:18] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:18] <nomasteryoda> printer?
[03:18] <bulio> yes
[03:18] <nomasteryoda> or print to file
[03:19] <nomasteryoda> ok
[03:19] <nomasteryoda> either way
[03:19] <nomasteryoda> but file would be better
[03:19] <bulio> will it be long?
[03:19] <bulio> I can save ubuntu live stuff to my hdd right?
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> bulio, is it ntfs?
[03:20] <bulio> fat32
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> sweet
[03:20] <bulio> so I'm guess it'll work?
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> yea... should be able to
[03:20] <bulio> k
[03:20] <bulio> just save location to c:/
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> worth the try
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:20] <bulio> right?
[03:20] <bulio> ok
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> kinda
[03:20] <bulio> and that's the only command needed?
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> lsmod
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> and dmesg
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> and lsusb
[03:21] <bulio> sudo lsmod or just sudo
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> sudo "command"
[03:21] <bulio> ok
[03:21] <bulio> so I need to do:
[03:21] <bulio> sudo lsmod
[03:21] <bulio> sudo lsusb
[03:21] <bulio> sudo dmesg
[03:21] <bulio> right?
[03:21] <nomasteryoda> if the bootable has lsusb
[03:22] <nomasteryoda> yes
[03:22] <bulio> ok
[03:22] <nomasteryoda> you can
[03:22] <bulio> bbl with the info
[03:22] <nomasteryoda> do them like
[03:22] <nomasteryoda> sudo dmesg > filename
[03:22] <sonnyblack> bye all guys...have a nice new year's day :)
[03:22] <bulio> bye
[03:22] <setite> ok amd 64 watercooled rig has been ordered... hopefully ill have it all by next wednesday... then here i come ubuntu
[03:22] <nomasteryoda> Kool
[03:22] <sudoNYM> yup
[03:22] <bronson> Anyone know why my ls gets alphebetization wrong?
[03:23] <bulio> so where do I put these commands?
[03:23] <bronson> r2scan.c  r2scan-dyn.c  r2scan-dyn.h  r2scan.h
[03:23] <nomasteryoda> bulio, in a terminal
[03:23] <bulio> in the regular terminal?
[03:23] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:23] <bulio> ok
[03:23] <bulio> just sudo lsmod and such right?
[03:23] <bronson> From the man page that might be "version sorting"...  How do I turn it OFF??
[03:23] <nomasteryoda> bulio, you can output them to file
[03:23] <nomasteryoda> with
[03:23] <nomasteryoda> sudo lsmod > lsmod.txt
[03:23] <nomasteryoda> or similar
[03:24] <Kamion> bronson: export LC_COLLATE=C
[03:24] <Kamion> it's not version sorting
[03:24] <bulio> but sudo lsmod will display the results right?
[03:24] <nomasteryoda> yup
[03:24] <bulio> then sudo lsmod > lsmod.txt will save to hdd?
[03:24] <nomasteryoda> yes
[03:25] <bulio> where in the hdd?
[03:25] <nomasteryoda> do you have a usb key?
[03:25] <nomasteryoda> or mem stick?
[03:25] <bulio> unfortunetly no
[03:25] <nomasteryoda> ok
[03:26] <nomasteryoda> the bootable should mount the fat32 drive
[03:26] <nomasteryoda> and put icon on the desktop
[03:26] <bulio> k
[03:26] <bulio> i'll go try it now
[03:26] <bulio> be back soon
[03:26] <nomasteryoda> ok
[03:26] <nomasteryoda> good luck
[03:26] <dmallery> master yoda, can you help me with a ppp setup problem??
[03:26] <nomasteryoda> will try
[03:26] <dmallery> hi trying to set up ppp using the system configuration > networking menu option.  it's the only net option on the list.  the check box shows check for a second, then clears it when i select activate.  modem and cable known good and answer minicom.  network setup correctly detects modem.
[03:27] <dmallery> wierd, huh?
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> dmallery, did you do
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> sudo pppconfig
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> in terminal?
[03:28] <dmallery> no
[03:28] <bronson> Kamion: thanks
[03:28] <bronson> Kamion: then what sort of sorting is that??
[03:28] <dmallery> will do right now..
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> k
[03:28] <Kamion> bronson: ASCII ordering
[03:28] <Nivlem> clear
[03:28] <Kamion> bronson: main problem is that it isn't well-defined over UTF-8
[03:28] <Kamion> (which is annoying)
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> dmallery, looking at http://tinyurl.com/5kfgp
[03:31] <bronson> Kamion: how can that be ascii?
[03:31] <bronson> r2scan.c  r2scan-dyn.c  r2scan-dyn.h  r2scan.h
[03:31] <bronson> - comes before .
[03:31] <bronson> But somehow r2scan.c ends up first.
[03:32] <bronson> *in the ascii table* - comes before .
[03:33] <Kamion> bronson: oh, you mean what sort of ordering is what you had before setting LC_COLLATE=C?
[03:33] <Kamion> it's whatever's defined by your locale, *shrug*, no clue
[03:34] <unperson> Is it possible to mount and umount paritions through nautilus?
[03:34] <bronson> Weird.  That was driving me nuts.  Fixed now.  Thanks!
[03:35] <bronson> unperson: I think so.
[03:35] <twisted_steel> unperson: if you have the partitions set up in /etc/fstab, the 'drives' should show up in the Computer->Disks menu
[03:35] <twisted_steel> unperson: and you can right-click on the drive and select mount/unmount
[03:36] <bronson> unperson: they need to be marked user of course.
[03:36] <dmallery> yo yoda!  many thanks.  guess the menu-driven method is a lil premature...
[03:36] <unperson> twisted_steel, ok.  But not other paritions. Thanks.
[03:36] <nomasteryoda> dmallery, welcome man
[03:36] <twisted_steel> twisted_steel: partitions work as well; I have my windows partition in there
[03:36] <nomasteryoda> google is your friend
[03:36] <unperson> Just having some issues with umount and famd and trying to figure them out.
[03:36] <nomasteryoda> =)
[03:37] <twisted_steel> unperson: er I meant that for you :)
[03:37] <Cloudchaser> i have fstab set up with "user" and can't unmount volume by right-clicking on it
[03:37] <Cloudchaser> ubuntu's kinda wonky on stuff like that
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> Cloudchaser, do you have any apps using it?
[03:37] <Cloudchaser> nope
[03:37] <bronson> unperson: Nautilus probably won't help with that...
[03:37] <Cloudchaser> i don't have permisisons
[03:37] <unperson> twisted_steel, Sorry, I meant it does not work with stuff that isn't in /etc/fstab.
[03:37] <Cloudchaser> have to sudo umount it from command line
[03:37] <twisted_steel> unperson: ah, yes, it doesn't seem to
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows   vfat    auto,user,umask=000  0 0
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> unperson, umask=0?
[03:38] <unperson> bronson, Well, I think it's nautilus that's calling famd, so I'm hoping it would also call it off.
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> i can read it/write it with file manager
[03:38] <marcel__> Does anyone know about setting up MacOnLinux in the PPC Ubuntu - I have it installed, but am having problems with the video configuration
[03:38] <Cloudchaser> but can't unmount it
[03:40] <Cloudchaser> doesn't make much sense to me but thats the way it is
[03:41] <Cloudchaser> Normally, only the superuser can  mount  file  systems.   However,
[03:41] <Cloudchaser>        when  fstab  contains  the user option on a line, then anybody can mount
[03:41] <Cloudchaser>        the corresponding system.
[03:41] <Cloudchaser> man says that
[03:41] <nomasteryoda> Cloudchaser, and the reason you would need to umount as user?
[03:41] <Cloudchaser> but it doesn't seem to work that way
[03:41] <Cloudchaser> well to be able to do it graphically
[03:42] <Cloudchaser> if i wanted to unmount a volume i have mounted
[03:42] <bulio> well
[03:42] <bulio> I did the cmds
[03:42] <nomasteryoda> if it is a HD, then i keep mine mounted
[03:42] <nomasteryoda> that was for Cloudchaser
[03:42] <nomasteryoda> bulio, there is a site you can post them to
[03:42] <nomasteryoda> a one-off place
[03:42] <nomasteryoda> let me find url
[03:42] <Cloudchaser> right but sometimes i want to unmount a shared drive
[03:42] <nomasteryoda> ah, ic
[03:43] <bulio> noma: crap
[03:43] <bulio> It didn't save to the hdd
[03:43] <bulio> >_<
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> ah crud
[03:43] <bulio> I do have the output of sudo lsusb though
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> ok
[03:43] <Cloudchaser> plus the samba drives don't mount auto matically because the samba services seem to start after it tries to mount them
[03:44] <Cloudchaser> one nice thing about the graphical services manager is you can change the order of things easily
[03:44] <Cloudchaser> and shut things off that you don't want running or turn them on when you want them
[03:48] <DanielC> Is the LiveCD ISO on the website the same as the one Ubuntu offers to ship?
[03:49] <spikeb> yrs
[03:49] <spikeb> yes
[03:49] <DanielC> Excellent. I unerstand that this LiveCD also has the installer. Is that right?
[03:49] <DanielC> Or am I just confused? :-)
[03:49] <spikeb> no
[03:50] <spikeb> the livecd, unfortunately, doesn't have the installer.
[03:50] <spikeb> the installcd does, though.
[03:50] <DanielC> So I need to burn two CDs. The LiveCD to see if I like Ubunto and installcd if I decide to keep it. Right?
[03:50] <spikeb> basically, yes.
[03:50] <DanielC> Gotcha.
[03:50] <DanielC> Thanks!
[03:50] <spikeb> you're welcome :)
[03:57] <drspin> can I create a device (/dev/js0) and link it to another device (/dev/input/js0) ???
[03:57] <stuNNed> you can symlink it
[03:57] <stuNNed> yes
[03:57] <stuNNed> ln -sf /dev/input/js0 /dev/js0
[03:57] <stuNNed> or just ln -s
[03:59] <ubuntu> hi.
[04:01] <ubuntu> anyone can help me with wlan SMC2632W-V2?
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> smc, good stuff
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> atheros chipset i believe
[04:01] <ubuntu> well, not detected by ubuntu
[04:02] <ubuntu> I did try the fix proposed on wiki
[04:02] <ubuntu> to no avail
[04:03] <ubuntu> the proposed fix on wiki is here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2313
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> 0..0
[04:04] <spikeb> wtf
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu, did you install the amtel-firmware
[04:10] <ubuntu> well, I am new with Linux, and I did download _a_ amtel firmware and tried to install it, but it asked me questions like "provide path to kernel source files" or something of that sort
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu, ah, yea you need the kernel source to do the install
[04:11] <ubuntu> nomasteryoda, how can I figure that one out?
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> just sec
[04:15] <DeepSpaceAnt> anyone know what plans the dev team has to help ATI FGLRX users..
[04:15] <DeepSpaceAnt> I can never get my 9700 pro to work
[04:15] <DeepSpaceAnt> no matter what I follow
[04:17] <gobeav1> ATI linux drivers stink
[04:17] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu, did you add the multiverse to your '/etc/apt/sources.list'?
[04:17] <scoon> DeepSpaceAnt, i think that is more of an ATI being closed source
[04:17] <nomasteryoda> the atmel-firmware is in the multiverse
[04:18] <ubuntu> nope, I didn't. how do i do that?
[04:18] <Seq> DeepSpaceAnt: i gave up my 9200 for a geforce 4 ti 4200, so i won't be helping ati.
[04:18] <nomasteryoda> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:18] <DeepSpaceAnt> Saq man looks like ill never get it to work! damn ati!
[04:19] <scoon> Seq, i have that card as well.  it works very well.
[04:19] <DeepSpaceAnt> Seq: how well does ut gforece 4 work? as in comparison to in windows
[04:19] <DeepSpaceAnt> ur*
[04:19] <Seq> scoon: my performance was bad in ut2004. and worse in nwn, oddly enough, unless i had everything way down
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu, look at this example
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list
[04:19] <Seq> DeepSpaceAnt: i don't know. works well, but i don't install games in both os's :)
[04:19] <scoon> Seq, I had great perf in ut
[04:20] <DeepSpaceAnt> oh
[04:20] <DeepSpaceAnt> hmm
[04:20] <scoon> Seq, i used to play a ton of it.  but i have fast reads and writes enabled.
[04:20] <Seq> scoon: mine was middle of the road. nowhere near what it was in windows, and it was roughly equivilant with my old geforce2 mx.
[04:20] <DeepSpaceAnt> what card does a 9700 pro compare to you think g4 5700?
[04:20] <spikeb> hmm
[04:20] <spikeb> the 9700/9600 cards are just fine
[04:20] <DeepSpaceAnt> spikeb nop
[04:21] <DeepSpaceAnt> spikeb I can NOT get it wokring
[04:21] <spikeb> i meant performance wise
[04:21] <spikeb> not whether you could get it working :P
[04:21] <Seq> the card itself i liked more. it was passively cooled, wheras this ti 4200 is not. if the performance was better, i would have definately kept it
[04:21] <DeepSpaceAnt> damn!
[04:21] <DeepSpaceAnt> :P
[04:21] <spikeb> my card works fine with the dri drivers and the ati drivers
[04:21] <spikeb> (9200)
[04:21] <DeepSpaceAnt> that's a 9200 tho
[04:21] <DeepSpaceAnt> :(
[04:22] <spikeb> aye
[04:22] <spikeb> theoretically, your card should work
[04:22] <spikeb> heh
[04:22] <Seq> the R250 core (i think that was the core name. the 9200 anyway) is the highest you can go with dri
[04:23] <DeepSpaceAnt> yea
[04:23] <Seq> all the newer cards just get regular 2D accel, no dri
[04:23] <DeepSpaceAnt> X300  never works (9700+)
[04:23] <ubuntu> okay, nomasteryoda. I am reading the webpage. do I need to copy and paste the whole text in my sources.list file?
[04:23] <ubuntu> do i need to be online to do the 'sudo apt-get update'?
[04:24] <Seq> DeepSpaceAnt: i was oddly enough reading the man page for the 'radeon' driver, and i swore i saw the x300 listed
[04:24] <_d4vid> hi :p
[04:25] <Seq> DeepSpaceAnt: from `man radeon`: RV370       Radeon X300, M22 (2d only)
[04:26] <_d4vid> how to configure cups under ubuntu ?
[04:26] <_d4vid> dont work with root..
[04:26] <_d4vid> dont.. access..
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu, yes
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> unless you just download the firmware file
[04:28] <nomasteryoda> http://tinyurl.com/3m49b
[04:29] <DeepSpaceAnt> Seq: yea it works for 2d, not 3d :O and I cant get FGLRX working for 3d either
[04:30] <DeepSpaceAnt> Seq: Direct rendering*
[04:30] <spikeb> bah
[04:30] <DeepSpaceAnt> if ubuntu dev can fix it they are god :)
[04:31] <s0cks> Hey.
[04:31] <Seq> DeepSpaceAnt: weird. i had fglrx working without much trouble when i had my ati card
[04:31] <s0cks> I need procs for reformatting a hard disk that crashes the machine with it pluged up.
[04:32] <Seq> DeepSpaceAnt: working is a relative term ;)
[04:32] <spikeb> what would be great is if anyone knew how to force my stupid kt7a mobo into liking my video card
[04:32] <spikeb> heh
[04:34] <Seq> i'm really avoiding putting windows on this laptop again. i really do need to do it tonight :/
[04:34] <ubuntu> yodamaster, the 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list' command gave me the following message: "I/O warning: failed to load external entity '/root/.gnome2/gedit-metadata.xml'
[04:34] <spikeb> why?
[04:35] <Seq> spikeb: not too long until i'm back in school. unfortunately one of my classes does directx, so vmware is not really a good option :(
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu, try using 'vi /etc/apt/sources.list'
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> spikeb, sad man, sad
[04:36] <huttan> when i try to open a picture with eog it crashes and gives me this error:  ** (eog:18193): CRITICAL **: file pango-color.c: line 952 (pango_color_parse): assertion `spec != NULL' failed
[04:36] <huttan> anyone know what could be wrong ?
[04:36] <spikeb> Seq, yeah that'll do it
[04:37] <Seq> spikeb: i've been living happily with just linux, and vmware for the odd windows need (submission required in MS format, or in my win32 class)
[04:38] <spikeb> Seq, well with schooling, there's always something that crops up heh
[04:38] <Seq> spikeb: the worst part is that outside of school, i'm an asp.net applications developer :p
[04:38] <spikeb> hahahahaha
[04:39] <spikeb> Seq, a friend of mine runs linux on his server, and wants to run it on his desktop but is a hardcore gamer - imagine his pain
[04:39] <spikeb> heh
[04:39] <Seq> im stuck on win2k at work all the time :(
[04:39] <Seq> spikeb: i'm an occasional gamer, which is the _only_ reason i dual boot at home
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> Seq, at least it is win2k
[04:39] <spikeb> Seq, i play my games on my gamecube heh
[04:40] <Seq> my windows install has lots of games, and firefox for downloading updates. nothing else at all
[04:40] <spikeb> i am fairly picky about what games i play, even more so on the PC
[04:40] <spikeb> and i refuse to dual boot for halo
[04:40] <spikeb> heh
[04:40] <Seq> nomasteryoda: i'd almost prefer xp, because alot of the utilities (like pseudo-pagers, etc) work better with it
[04:41] <Seq> i've yet to find a free desktop pager for win2k that doesn't suck
[04:41] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:41] <nomasteryoda> yea
[04:41] <Seq> im going to try the ms powertoy, even though it says its "xp only"
[04:41] <nomasteryoda> windows sucks cept for gaming
[04:45] <ubuntu> -
[04:45] <nomasteryoda> guess that means nothing?
[04:45] <ubuntu> oops
[04:51] <ubuntu> masteryoda, do I need to copy and paste only the three lines [deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe multiverse
[04:51] <ubuntu> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[04:51] <ubuntu> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[04:51] <ubuntu> into my sources.list file?
[04:52] <nomasteryoda> sry, yes
[04:53] <ubuntu> just ADD these lines at the bottom of the text or replace the text with these lines?  Sorry to be so ignorant.
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> you can just modify the current lines
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> adding the multiverse, etc
[04:57] <sudoNYM> hello Seq
[04:58] <Seq> hi sudoNYM
[04:59] <sudoNYM> whats up
[04:59] <Seq> avoiding depressing tasks, you?
[04:59] <sudoNYM> this is Setite... i dunno if you remember me... but i thought id say hi
[04:59] <sudoNYM> just biding my time
[04:59] <sudoNYM> i ordered the rest of the parts for my rig
[04:59] <Seq> oh yeah, i do
[04:59] <sudoNYM> should have it working next week
[04:59] <sudoNYM> im sad that i have to double boot though
[05:00] <sudoNYM> ??
[05:00] <sudoNYM> cedega has no surround sound... i cant play counterstrike without surround sound
[05:05] <Crane> hello hello hello
[05:05] <Crane> I'm back home on my Ubuntu system
[05:06] <Crane> Teah
[05:06] <Crane> oops
[05:06] <Crane> teah
[05:06] <Crane> yeah
[05:06] <Crane> lol
[05:06] <Crane> I can't type tonight
[05:07] <Crane> ummmm... is no one here tonight>
[05:09] <julius_trop> hello
[05:09] <Crane> hi
[05:13] <drspin> phyberoptix: opens box... x_X    --   "where is it!" he cries
[05:16] <phyberoptix> ?
[05:16] <Crane> lol
[05:17] <phyberoptix> did u get it?
[05:17] <Crane> nope
[05:17] <phyberoptix> ok just makin shure i wasnt the only one
[05:17] <Crane> :)
[05:18] <phyberoptix> wut u doin?
[05:18] <Crane> X_x
[05:18] <phyberoptix> hmmm
[05:18] <Crane> not crap
[05:18] <phyberoptix> lol
[05:18] <phyberoptix> i got baord
[05:19] <phyberoptix> *bored
[05:19] <Crane> just got home from work about an hour agao
[05:19] <Crane> ago
[05:19] <phyberoptix> so i downloaded hoary packages and installed them on warty
[05:19] <Crane> any luck?
[05:19] <phyberoptix> yes
[05:19] <Crane> very cool
[05:19] <phyberoptix> xchat/firefox/gaim/xmms/eggdrop
[05:19] <phyberoptix> and gcc
[05:20] <phyberoptix> i did the dist install the other day
[05:20] <phyberoptix> i came back and it was uberfucked
[05:20] <phyberoptix> so i reinstalled
[05:20] <phyberoptix> you gotta website?
[05:21] <Crane> I thought about giving Hoary a try
[05:21] <Crane> yep
[05:21] <Crane> http://www.cranework.com
[05:21] <phyberoptix> u host it?
[05:21] <Crane> nope
[05:22] <phyberoptix> i just put mine up
[05:22] <Crane>  it's hosted at hostdime
[05:22] <phyberoptix> www.phyberoptix.com
[05:22] <phyberoptix> i host mine
[05:22] <Crane> you hosting yours?
[05:22] <phyberoptix> doin well on ubuntu
[05:22] <phyberoptix> i was hosting it on 2k3
[05:22] <Crane> very cool
[05:22] <phyberoptix> 2k3 sux ass
[05:23] <phyberoptix> i also own www.ab0rted.net which i bought the guy designing my new site
[05:23] <phyberoptix> i host it also
[05:23] <Crane> cool
[05:23] <Crane> My IP keeps changing and I don't want to worry about it
[05:24] <phyberoptix> dsl?
[05:24] <Crane> so let a hosting company do it
[05:24] <Crane> cable
[05:24] <phyberoptix> there is a easy easy fix for that
[05:24] <Crane> yea I know there are sites that can monitor it
[05:25] <Crane> just didn't faal like messing with it
[05:25] <phyberoptix> i use no-ip.com for a dynip and ubuntu includes the package "apt-get install no-ip"
[05:25] <phyberoptix> nice site btw
[05:26] <Crane> I have a lot of maps (quake3 and other games) that would eat my bandwidth if some one started downloading
[05:26] <Crane> while I was gaming
[05:26] <phyberoptix> yeah
[05:26] <Se7h> does anyone knows a program to convert avi to 3gp ?
[05:26] <phyberoptix> i dunt
[05:27] <Crane> thanks me either
[05:27] <Crane> thanks
[05:27] <Crane> me either
[05:27] <Crane> damn it's been a long day
[05:27] <phyberoptix> lol
[05:28] <Crane> so your going to do some host from your site?
[05:28] <phyberoptix> no
[05:28] <Crane> oh just wondering
[05:29] <phyberoptix> i was mainly running my ftp server
[05:29] <slade_> is there a way to install perl that is not threaded as opposed to the threaded perl that is installed?
[05:29] <phyberoptix> apt-cache search perl
[05:29] <phyberoptix> try that
[05:30] <llun_ved> anyone running e-mail server with ubuntu
[05:30] <phyberoptix> im not yet
[05:30] <Crane> me either
[05:30] <phyberoptix> why?
[05:30] <Crane> I've always heard email servers can be a biotch
[05:30] <phyberoptix> what port does it run on?
[05:30] <phyberoptix> 25
[05:30] <llun_ved> i can send out but i can not receive
[05:31] <dr_willis> you got your ip regiestered with a host name?
[05:31] <Crane> have you checked your firefall setting?
[05:31] <llun_ved> i go through dyndns.org
[05:31] <slade_> phyberoptix: i dont see a perl package that it installs it without threads
[05:31] <phyberoptix> hmmmm
[05:31] <nicedreams> ubuntu has a dyndns client too
[05:31] <dr_willis> llun_ved,  hmm....
[05:31] <phyberoptix> i use no-ip.com
[05:32] <dr_willis> thats the first id ever heard of a email server useing dyndns :P
[05:32] <dr_willis> somthing to rember for future referance.
[05:32] <dr_willis> :P
[05:32] <phyberoptix> wut port does it run on?
[05:32] <nicedreams> how do i set a cron job to turn off GAIM at 3:00am ?
[05:33] <dr_willis> hmm.. if gaimn isent scriptable. ya'd have to kill its process id i guess.
[05:34] <dr_willis> why kill it at 3 am?
[05:34] <crimsun> nicedreams: put this in a crontab: * 3 * * * pkill gaim
[05:35] <nicedreams> how do the times work in cron?  I never understood that?
[05:35] <crimsun> # m h dom mon dow user  command
[05:36] <nicedreams> are the times the way they are displayed or different?  It seems like sometimes 12:00pm is really 2:00pm and so on
[05:36] <llun_ved> sendmail i understand ... i bet it's a fetchmail setting
[05:36] <crimsun> they use localtime
[05:36] <nicedreams> so UTC times work?
[05:36] <nicedreams> ah....i'll keep googling for that part
[05:36] <crimsun> nicedreams: no, localtime
[05:36] <nicedreams> thx for the line of code though
[05:36] <nicedreams> i'll use that
[05:37] <phyberoptix> [SPAM]  Google.com You Have Questions. We Have 1284374 Results,
[05:37] <nicedreams> lmao
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[05:38] <nicedreams> i hate how google sometimes only shows you where to buy a product when your looking up specs for it
[05:38] <dr_willis> nicedreams,  yea annoying. Or ya do a typo and the links are all "Buy Compputers" here!
[05:38] <phyberoptix> lol
[05:38] <Seq> nicedreams: i was researching an mp3 player for a friend, and i got three pages of stores selling it before i gave up
[05:39] <phyberoptix> use www.google.com/linux
[05:39] <Seq> nicedreams: with reasonable search terms, too
[05:39] <nicedreams> google/linux doesn't have what your looking for most of the time
[05:39] <nicedreams> geez
[05:39] <nicedreams> i guess everyone has to learn how to use google coding
[05:39] <nicedreams> that's how people find credit card info though
[05:39] <nicedreams> lol
[05:39] <nicedreams> 25 6	* * *	root	test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
[05:40] <nicedreams> this is a line in my crontab
[05:40] <nicedreams> what is the 25 and 6 for
[05:40] <crimsun> nicedreams: crontab -e
[05:40] <crimsun> then put the line I gave you in there
[05:40] <nicedreams> k
[05:40] <crimsun> 25 and 6 stand for 6:25 AM localtime
[05:41] <nicedreams> oh nice
[05:41] <crimsun> nicedreams: see crontab(5)
[05:41] <nicedreams> i just did man crontab
[05:41] <nicedreams> duh
[05:41] <nicedreams> lol
[05:41] <nicedreams> ginx
[05:41] <nicedreams> should i only do crontab -e as root?
[05:42] <crimsun> nicedreams: do it as the user who runs gaim
[05:42] <nicedreams> k
[05:44] <sunjoy> hey.  I recently started getting "error creating childprocess" trying to open a terminal in Gnome.  In fluxbox, the term won't open at all.  Also when I try the screen command on the console, I get "no more pty's".  I think these problems are related.
[05:45] <crimsun> sunjoy: how long has the machine been up?
[05:45] <sunjoy> I installed Ubuntu on Sunday.  Rebooted today after seeing the problem.
[05:46] <nicedreams> what's the difference between 'kernel-image-2.6.9' and 'linux-image-2.6.9' ?
[05:46] <crimsun> nicedreams: kernel-image-foo is what Debian uses
[05:46] <nicedreams> i don't know which one to install
[05:46] <crimsun> nicedreams: linux-image-foo is what Ubuntu uses
[05:46] <nicedreams> foo?
[05:46] <crimsun> nicedreams: "foo" is a placeholder
[05:46] <nicedreams> oh
[05:46] <crimsun> it means "insert whatever here as appropriate"
[05:47] <llun_ved> great ... no one knows and there is no wiki
[05:47] <crimsun> llun_ved: sec
[05:47] <crimsun> sunjoy: these symptoms are apparent from a fresh boot?
[05:47] <crimsun> sunjoy: on warty?
[05:48] <jmob> llun_ved: how are your MX records handled?
[05:48] <sunjoy> crimsun: what is responsible for creating pty's?  I also have messages in .xsession-errors about hal not running.
[05:48] <llun_ved> through dyndns.ord
[05:49] <crimsun> sunjoy: what errors? use pastebin.com
[05:49] <llun_ved> it forwards to this ip
[05:50] <nicedreams> Can someone direct me to a good web page that will teach me how to understand the linux kernel as far as patching and combining modules in kernels and blabla stuff?  I know how to configure and compile kernels, just not how to use kernel patches and stuff like installing a nvidia package into the kernel for example.
[05:50] <phyberoptix> www.google.com/linux
[05:50] <nicedreams> lol
[05:50] <phyberoptix> lol
[05:50] <nicedreams> don't know what to search for
[05:51] <jmob> nicedreams: depending on what you want to do, patching the kernel might not be necessary
[05:51] <phyberoptix> understanding kernel pacthing
[05:51] <nicedreams> like if there is support for something and you can download a kernel patch for it to give you support for a device
[05:51] <jmob> nicedreams: like your example, you don't need to patch the kernel to install the nvidia kernel modules
[05:51] <nicedreams> i want to understand about that
[05:51] <phyberoptix> wait
[05:51] <jmob> nicedreams: there's not much to understand
[05:51] <phyberoptix> i might have a kernel ebook
[05:51] <nicedreams> nvidia, was an example... a bad one
[05:51] <nicedreams> i've just never done it before and i would like to
[05:51] <jmob> nicedreams: you just need to understand how patch works
[05:52] <nicedreams> it's like this.  I understand windows inside and out and can fix it any which way possible so now it's borring
[05:52] <nicedreams> and i want to do the same with linux
[05:52] <nicedreams> k
[05:52] <nicedreams> i'll search for patching in google
[05:52] <phyberoptix> root@phyberoptix:/usr/local/apache2/htdocs/eBooks/Linux # dir
[05:52] <phyberoptix> (ebook)\ O'Reilly\ -\ Understanding\ The\ Linux\ Kernel.pdf  (O'Reilly)\ Understanding\ The\ Linux\ Kernel.pdf
[05:52] <phyberoptix> Linux\ Newbie\ Administrator\ Guide.pdf                      (Prentice\ Hall)\ Linux\ -\ Unix\ System\ Administration\ Handbook.pdf
[05:52] <phyberoptix> Linux\ \ -\ Teach\ Yourself\ Unix\ in\ 24\ Hours.pdf         Using\ Linux\ As\ A\ Router.pdf
[05:52] <phyberoptix> root@phyberoptix:/usr/local/apache2/htdocs/eBooks/Linux #
[05:52] <phyberoptix> i got those
[05:52] <jmob> nicedreams: you patch the kernel, it applies a set of changes to the kernel source that add/change something to meet some goal (i.e. get xyz peice of hardware working)
[05:53] <jmob> nicedreams: once you patch it, that usually involved selecting some configuration options related to that patch and recompiled the kernel or kernel modules
[05:53] <jmob> s/volved/volves/
[05:53] <sunjoy> crimsun: I'm going to try logging-
[05:53] <sunjoy> crimsun: in as a fresh user first.  I'll get back to you.  Thanks.
[05:54] <nicedreams> damn, this irc channel rocks
[05:55] <jmob> nicedreams: so, there's no canonical tome that'll give you everything you need to know, you just need to understand the basic and read the documentation associated with whatever patch set your are working with
[05:55] <llun_ved> ahh ... the problem is with the fetchmail settings
[05:56] <Crane> 24 hours
[05:56] <nicedreams> feed a man a fish type thing
[05:56] <Crane> fish?
[05:57] <nicedreams> feed a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.  teach him how to fish and he'll eat forever
[05:57] <nicedreams> good saying
[05:57] <nicedreams> my favorite that i say all the time is:
[05:57] <Crane> apt-get install fishing rod
[05:57] <nicedreams> without linux, there is no future
[05:57] <nicedreams> lol
[05:57] <Crane> :)
[05:57] <nicedreams> aptitude it
[05:58] <Crane> I got into linux running a q3 game server
[05:58] <nicedreams> nice
[05:58] <Crane> Then one day I thought what the hay and installed a desktop
[05:58] <Crane> redhat7.3
[05:59] <nicedreams> that's when redhat was cool
[05:59] <nicedreams> and mandrake was a nice addon to it
[05:59] <Crane> about todays after that was the last time I willingly booted to XP
[05:59] <nicedreams> lol
[05:59] <nicedreams> i only boot into xp to delete stuff from all my ntfs partitions
[05:59] <Crane> I still like redhat for servers
[05:59] <Crane> never given me problems
[06:00] <Crane> but fedora
[06:00] <nicedreams> rh servers are nice though
[06:00] <nicedreams> ew
[06:00] <Crane> SHeesh
[06:00] <nicedreams> fedora
[06:00] <nyxtreme> anyone know where to download themes for ubuntu?
[06:00] <Crane> what do you mean themes?
[06:00] <Crane> wallpapers?
[06:00] <nyxtreme> desktop themes
[06:00] <jmob> nyxtreme: you can download themes for gnome/gtk/metacity if that's what you mean.
[06:00] <nyxtreme> yeah
[06:00] <jmob> nyxtreme: http://art.gnome.org
[06:00] <nyxtreme> where can I download them?
[06:01] <nyxtreme> thanks
[06:01] <jmob> nyxtreme: also, ``apt-cache search gnome themes''
[06:01] <jmob> nyxtreme: ``sudo apt-get install gnome-theme-extras'' is probably what you want
[06:02] <jmob> s/theme/themes/
[06:04] <jmob> I'm running XP right now, not because I particularly want to, but because I bought a big new computer to waste time with playing lots of computer games during winter break.
[06:04] <nyxtreme> lol
[06:05] <jmob> I spent way too much time playing Half Life 2 almost non-stop after finals.
[06:06] <Seq> jmob: i hear you on that
[06:07] <Crane> I want to try HL2
[06:08] <srbaker> yo
[06:08] <srbaker> what's multivierse?
[06:08] <Crane> Lot of peeps in here that never seem to chat
[06:08] <jmob> http://www.cs.unm.edu/~jmob/xp.png you'll note there's a lot of OSS (even mplayer! ;), which is really cool, since most of those applications it's impossible to find a free alternative that fairs well in comparison.
[06:08] <nyxtreme> how do I install the theme I downloaded from art.gnome.org?
[06:09] <jjones_> i'm currently running knoppix on my laptop, but thinking of switching to ubuntu.  has anyone been able to get a usb wireless linksys wusb11 network interface to work under ubuntu?
[06:09] <jmob> nyxtreme: there's a faq on art.gnome.org
[06:09] <jmob> srbaker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse
[06:10] <nyxtreme> ohh ok
[06:11] <NKM> hi, somebody help i changed the system to hoary and the X cannot start (y have a nvidia card)
[06:11] <srbaker> jmob, what is it in the context of ubuntu?
[06:11] <NKM> anybody knows about that?
[06:11] <Crane> NKM: what errors are you getting?
[06:12] <NKM> the X can't start
[06:12] <NKM> i install thesystem
[06:12] <Crane> It's not givving an error as to why X can't start?
[06:12] <NKM> and change the apt sources to hoary
[06:13] <NKM> and i made an apt-get upgrade
[06:13] <NKM> and the problems start
[06:13] <jmob> srbaker: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.1228090247
[06:13] <Crane> have you reconfigured your xserver?
[06:13] <NKM> how?
[06:14] <Crane> I believe hoary uses xorg
[06:14] <nicedreams> hoary uses xorg
[06:14] <nicedreams> and warty uses xfree
[06:14] <Crane> hang on I'll see if I can find command
[06:15] <NKM> ok
[06:15] <nicedreams> xorgconfigure
[06:15] <nicedreams> or xorgconfig
[06:15] <nicedreams> xf86config
[06:15] <nicedreams> for xfree
[06:15] <Crane> so you need to run xorgconfig
[06:16] <jmob> NKM: you can find out why xorg isn't loading by looking at /var/log/xorg.0.log
[06:16] <NKM> yep, i need to reconfigure the xserver because the card is not working OK with the updates
[06:16] <srbaker> anyone know where i can find ant and other jakarta tools packaged for ubuntu?
[06:16] <sunjoy> well, a reboot *did* get ride of the "can't assign pty" problem.
[06:16] <NKM> oh no, i will check this file, thnx
[06:17] <Crane> that file sould tell you why it's not starting
[06:18] <Crane> man I need to go to bed
[06:18] <Crane> but I'm enjoying hanging out in here
[06:19] <crimsun> sunjoy: good.
[06:20] <nicedreams> they need a virtual irc so you can walk into a mall which would be the server and goto different stores which would be the channels and you can see people and chat and sit and bs like that.
[06:21] <jmob> nicedreams: you should read snow crash
[06:22] <nicedreams> snow crash?  is that a program?
[06:22] <sunjoy> crimsun: yeah, i forgot: this morning i only did a telinit 1 ; telinit 2.
[06:22] <jmob> nicedreams: http://alnk.org/gingerprice
[06:23] <sunjoy> crimsun: it's that silly linux attitude of "i shouldn't have to reboot, except maybe to change the processor" attitude.  :-)
[06:23] <jmob> nicedreams: great story, fine tuned for the technically inclined
[06:23] <nicedreams> oh a book
[06:23] <nicedreams> i can't read
[06:23] <nicedreams> i'm too add and adhd for reading
[06:23] <sunjoy> crimsun: which is fine for a server, but a reboot's quite painless on my home machine
[06:23] <nicedreams> i wish i could
[06:24] <jmob> nicedreams: that's tragic
[06:24] <nicedreams> i end up reading a paragraph, then be in my own world and then find out that i read 10 pages, but don't know what i read
[06:24] <jmob> nicedreams: maybe you should 4 books at once
[06:24] <sunjoy> nicedreams: what's ad_h_d
[06:24] <nicedreams> lol
[06:24] <sunjoy> nicedreams: hyperactivity?
[06:24] <nicedreams> atention defisat hyper desomestuff
[06:24] <nicedreams> main add
[06:24] <nicedreams> mainly add
[06:25] <nicedreams> when i was youner adhd was bad
[06:25] <nicedreams> but i'm 25 and been smoking blunts for 8 years and now i'm calm as can be
[06:25] <nicedreams> but still hard to focus
[06:25] <jmob> sunjoy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADHD
[06:25] <nicedreams> sucks being human, but i live with it
[06:25] <sunjoy> nicedreams: so if you have a fast flow of information at you, does it help you focus?
[06:25] <nicedreams> acually yea
[06:25] <xhypno> Hey All!
[06:26] <nicedreams> i'm a pretty damn good tech since my brian fires off a thousand times a second
[06:26] <xhypno> anyone able to get the AOL AIM working on warty?
[06:26] <nicedreams> use gaim
[06:26] <sunjoy> nicedreams: hmm... ever tried an audio book speeded up?  I know blind folks will listen to their books so fast that I have a hard time understanding
[06:27] <xhypno> my fiancee can't live with out it
[06:27] <jmob> xhypno: use gaim
[06:27] <nicedreams> lol...i did try that before and i don't pay attention to it even worse than just reading it
[06:27] <xhypno> she wants to use her aol chatrooms also, and you need AOL aim to enter them
[06:27] <jmob> xhypno: use gaim
[06:27] <nicedreams> i've never read a book cover to cover before, but since the internet, i read a lot since i can change up what i'm reading alot and tech articles aren't too long
[06:28] <jmob> xhypno: sudo apt-get install gaim
[06:28] <nicedreams> it's funny also becuase i'm the president of a corporation that does linux research
[06:28] <Crane> hello
[06:28] <nicedreams> my vice and other staff are linux gods
[06:28] <xhypno> gaim won't work for my fiancee's need, gaim won't allow you to enter the AOL chatrooms
[06:28] <nicedreams> oh
[06:28] <jmob> xhypno: yeah it does afaik
[06:29] <jmob> xhypno: there's functionality to join chat rooms in gaim
[06:29] <sunjoy> nicedreams: cool.  it's good when people can find a niche for a trait like that
[06:29] <Seq> i just checked, it asks for a "room" name. and an "exchange" number, and i dunno what that is
[06:29] <jmob> xhypno: anything the official aim client can do I'm certain gaim can do
[06:29] <xhypno> anyone know how to join chatrooms with gaim then?
[06:29] <Se7h> does anyone knows a program to convert avi to 3gp ?
[06:29] <nicedreams> i'm not the bomb at linux, but going to be
[06:30] <nicedreams> only 3 years under my belt on linux
[06:30] <Seq> xhypno: File menu, Join a Chat
[06:30] <nicedreams> anyways...we are    Solstis Solutions
[06:30] <xhypno> thanks Seq
[06:30] <Crane> lots to learn
[06:30] <nicedreams> linux business solutions
[06:30] <nicedreams> we use ubuntu as our vpn and fileservers using openswan
[06:30] <nicedreams> and others
[06:31] <dr_willis> Ive noticed that some IM clients use special features of IE under windows to have 'chat rooms' :( like yahoo Messenger.
[06:31] <sunjoy> xhypno: also does the aol web site let you join chats via java?  I know you can check mail there.
[06:31] <Arc> i need help with a laptop
[06:32] <dr_willis> arc oh? go on.
[06:32] <Seq> Arc: okay.
[06:32] <Arc> installing it for a local woman who's going to study in central america for a year - she's leaving tomarrow night - and some things aren't working yet
[06:32] <xhypno> no not with the java aim
[06:32] <xhypno> I'm using Ubuntu on a Laptop, anything I can help with
[06:32] <Arc> first, this wireless card (which has linux drivers as i've researched) isnt working
[06:32] <Seq> i'm a laptop user too
[06:32] <Seq> Arc: which card?
[06:32] <Arc> its a linksys wpc11 ver 4 card - the realtek chipset inside
[06:33] <Arc> I could resolve this problem if I could obtain the kernel source
[06:33] <Arc> but I'm a gentoo user - I don't know how to get the kernel (and other things) with ubuntu
[06:33] <dr_willis> ive used a wpc11 under linux.
[06:33] <Seq> Arc: i had a version 3, the prism based ones, specifically because the version 4 reportedly didn't work at the time
[06:33] <dr_willis> mine was an early one - so it may of been prism also.
[06:33] <Arc> Seq: apparently now they do
[06:33] <assload> you don't know how to get kernel source?
[06:34] <Arc> yea previous to ver 4 it was prismII
[06:34] <assload> are you retarded?
[06:34] <Arc> assload: you're on ignore.
[06:34] <xhypno> I have the ver 3, prism and a WG500 from netgear, also a prism
[06:34] <Crane> lol
[06:34] <daniels> assload: dude, be polite, and don't use language like that. :)
[06:34] <assload> language?
[06:34] <daniels> assload: yes.
[06:34] <assload> i asked a valid question
[06:34] <sunjoy> arc: apt-get source  <name-of-package>
[06:34] <assload> how hard is it to obtain kernel source
[06:35] <Crane> assload: you may want to log out and run xchat as a user and not root
[06:35] <Arc> sunjoy: whats the package name for the kernel that's shipped with the 4.10 release
[06:35] <crimsun> assload: try not to use insulting words like "retarded" when addressing someone. After all, this channel _is_ about "Ubuntu."
[06:35] <srbaker> assload, you're really not helpful
[06:35] <srbaker> Arc, the v4 realtek card support is shoddy at best.
[06:35] <daniels> assload: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[06:35] <srbaker> Arc, i wouldn't bother.  if you can, i would grab a prism card.
[06:35] <daniels> assload: those are the rules this channel runs by.  for all its members.
[06:35] <assload> how helpful is it to have people relying on their distro to get kernel source, seriously?
[06:36] <Arc> srbaker: no choice. she's leaving tomarrow.
[06:36] <srbaker> Arc, i have a Netgear WG511 (which are on sale at Staples/Business Depot) and it works just by pluggin it in
[06:36] <srbaker> Arc, oh.
[06:36] <Arc> and all the cards being sold at the local stores are the same chipset
[06:36] <Seq> speaking of wireless cards, does anybody know how i might go about troubleshooting firmware resets with my wireless card?
[06:36] <xhypno> use a ndiswrapper with the win driver, I have set a friends up that way and it worked, but had siginal probs every once in a while.
[06:36] <srbaker> Arc, well, if you manage to get it to work, it'll be difficult
[06:36] <Arc> srbaker: let it be difficult.  but i need the kernel sources for this release
[06:37] <Arc> (I'm always frustrated by distros that don't include the source as part of the default install)
[06:37] <Seq> Arc: thats almost everything bug gentoo
[06:37] <srbaker> Arc, apt-get source <package>
[06:37] <crimsun> Arc: then install linux-source-2.6.8.1
[06:37] <srbaker> Arc, apt-get source linux-source-2.6.8.1
[06:37] <Arc> crimsun: thank you :-)
[06:37] <nicedreams> use aptitude.  apt-get is getting fazed out
[06:37] <srbaker> Arc, and unless you're a programmer, and one with lots of time to waste, you don't need the source
[06:38] <JDahl> nicedreams, why's that?
[06:38] <nicedreams> aptitude is much better
[06:38] <nicedreams> does apt-get and dselect in one app
[06:38] <crimsun> nicedreams: come again? apt-get is most certainly not being phased out. :)
[06:38] <nicedreams> and more so
[06:38] <Seq> apt fazed out? :p
[06:38] <nicedreams> here you go..some info
[06:38] <nicedreams> http://www.debianplanet.com/node.php?id=983
[06:38] <Arc> srbaker: actually I find the linux kernel source incredibly helpful and required for resolving most hardware issues - and I've never touched the source
[06:39] <nicedreams> debian developers are going to faze it out for aptitude since it has better package support and will install recomended packages and stuff for you
[06:39] <nicedreams> i use aptitude from the command line, i don't like their text gui thing
[06:40] <smooth-operator> have they fixed the bug which prevents you from accessing win2k shared folders?
[06:40] <nicedreams> i can't find the official statment from debian but there is a link that is close
[06:40] <Arc> next problem: her camera and USB pen drive. it's detected by the kernel but goes no further
[06:40] <Arc> I was told that on Ubuntu this is one of those "plug it in and watch it just work" situations
[06:41] <Seq> Arc: is she in the plugdev group? If she's the first user you created, she should be
[06:41] <Seq> but check anyway
[06:41] <Arc> ok.
[06:41] <Arc> no she isnt. we had to create a second account and she wasnt autoadded to most
[06:42] <sunjoy> nicedreams: how to get a source package with aptitude?  And I felt the same as you about aptitude till I started using synaptic -- it's quite good.
[06:42] <Seq> add her to all the groups the first user was in, preferably. i don't know offhand what they all are, but just scan through /etc/group
[06:43] <smooth-operator> anybody know how to access shared folders on windows 2000 from ubuntu???
[06:43] <nicedreams> sunjoy: i'm looking...i forgot
[06:43] <nicedreams> i don't download sources to omuch
[06:43] <Seq> smooth-operator: i access shares from a winxp machine fairly regularly
[06:44] <Seq> i use synaptic now and again, and i've used aptitude on my server before, but i tend to just use apt
[06:44] <smooth-operator> Seq: i see the com just not the shares, looking on the forums it looks like it's a bug :(
[06:44] <Arc> Seq: ok she's in plugdev. now what's suppost to happen?
[06:44] <Seq> smooth-operator: warty or hoary
[06:44] <smooth-operator> i don't know, this is my first time using linux
[06:44] <smooth-operator> i think warty
[06:44] <Seq> Arc: you'll probably have to log out and back in. thats the easiest way to restart all the gnome-volume-manager stuff
[06:45] <Seq> smooth-operator: i'm not sure offhand on warty, sorry :(
[06:45] <smooth-operator> thanks anyway
[06:45] <Arc> ok.
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> smb://windowsIP address
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> ??
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> in say nautilus
[06:46] <smooth-operator> i see the computer, just not the shares
[06:47] <nicedreams> sunjoy:  I can't find how to download a source package...  i know it's there though.  Try 'smartpm' if you like Synaptic.  It's a little easier to use I think, and it manages repositories for RPM,Slack,URPMI,DEB,APT,blablabla
[06:47] <nicedreams> http://www.debianplanet.com/node.php?id=983
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> smooth-operator, what about the default admin share
[06:47] <nicedreams> oops
[06:48] <nicedreams> wront llink
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> \c$
[06:48] <nicedreams> http://smartpm.org
[06:48] <smooth-operator> nomasteryoda: i don't know what that is
[06:48] <nicedreams> anyways...i like smartpm because you can use it in any distro so it's familier
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> smb://windowsIP address/c$
[06:49] <smooth-operator> i'll try that
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:50] <sunjoy> smooth-operator: if it's your first time with linux, check out www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu  FAQ with lotsof useful info.  Doesn't answer your Q about w2k though.
[06:50] <smooth-operator> thanks, i will ;] 
[06:51] <sunjoy> nicedreams: well, nowadays you can use apt-get (and possibly aptitude) with fedora (to mange rpms)
[06:52] <sunjoy> nicedreams: but i'll check out smartpm
[06:53] <nicedreams> :)
[06:53] <jiyuu0> sunjoy, u shud update ur link... it's now ubuntuguide.org
[06:53] <nicedreams> i was wondering when you could use apt-get in fedora since yum is a port of apt anyways
[06:54] <nicedreams> what do you ubunu people think of the new mepis linux distro?
[06:54] <nomasteryoda> pretty slick
[06:54] <smooth-operator> nomasteryoda: smb://windowsIP address/c$ didn't work in my case but i may be inputting the wrong ip address
[06:54] <jiyuu0> nicedreams, doesn't work well with some gforce card n old monitor
[06:55] <nicedreams> really?  they have a lot of nvidia utils too
[06:55] <nicedreams> lol
[06:55] <nicedreams> i think that funny
[06:55] <jiyuu0> it's suppose to work... but just didn't on 3 of my pcs here
[06:55] <jiyuu0> including a dell inspiron 5150 laptop
[06:55] <Seq> jiyuu0: probably because of the problems probing monitors on older cards (at least from my direct experience)
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> smooth-operator, just do an ipconfig on the win2k box to find out
[06:56] <nomasteryoda> smooth-operator, just do an ipconfig /all
[06:56] <nicedreams> did you use simply or pro?  Pro seems to pick up more stuff like my wireless card that Simply doesn't
[06:56] <smooth-operator> i did but i'm behind a router
[06:56] <nomasteryoda> then try it
[06:56] <nomasteryoda> ah, ok
[06:56] <jiyuu0> Seq, could be... in order for mepis to work i've got to edit xfree... not good
[06:56] <nomasteryoda> and the windows box is outside router?
[06:56] <nicedreams> mepis  needs some work, but i kind of like it a little better than knoppix
[06:56] <Seq> i have to do that with knoppix on all of my systems to get it to start higher than 1024x768
[06:56] <smooth-operator> no it's attached to the router
[06:57] <Seq> and slax
[06:57] <jiyuu0> i think i like bout mepis is... win4lin works perfectly
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> so it should be right there for you to ping
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> or access
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> mine are that way too
[06:58] <smooth-operator> yes, i can see it in the network display window
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:58] <smooth-operator> just can't see the shares on it
[06:58] <nicedreams> my beef with mepis is that is doesn't have any command line text editors exept for vi and not even VIM
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> vi is pretty cool
[06:58] <nicedreams> vi sucks...  if your used to VIM then you can't use vi
[06:58] <nicedreams> lol
[06:59] <nicedreams> i know VIM, but I can never use VI
[06:59] <sunjoy> nicedreams: blah.  that's like openbsd or something. vi is annoying when you're used to vim
[06:59] <ficusplanet> Is there any way that I could hide the System Configuration menu for a specific user?
[07:01] <sunjoy> ficusplanet: yes, gnome will let you do that, but don't ask me how.  I remember coming across documentation to that effect on the gnome site.
[07:01] <ficusplanet> sunjoy, I know how to remove a normal menu, but the System Configuration menu doesn't appear to be set up the same way.
[07:01] <nicedreams> try the gnome config editor
[07:02] <smooth-operator> does ubuntu have an auto-update feature?
[07:03] <nicedreams> cron and apt
[07:03] <ficusplanet> smooth-operator, There will be a nice updating gui in the next release - hoary hedgehog.
[07:03] <nicedreams> set a cron job to do a apt-get or aptitude update and upgrade every night
[07:03] <smooth-operator> how do i check if i need updating?
[07:03] <smooth-operator> is there a tutorial for that somewhere?
[07:03] <nicedreams> smooth: do an apt-get update
[07:03] <nicedreams> apt-get upgrade
[07:03] <smooth-operator> in the terminal thing, right?
[07:04] <nicedreams> smooth: man apt-get
[07:04] <nicedreams> right
[07:04] <Seq> Arc: http://www.linux.com/howtos/Wireless-Link-sys-WPC11/x98.shtml
[07:04] <smooth-operator> awesome
[07:05] <speel> there is already a gui for updating lol .. its called synaptic ;)
[07:06] <nicedreams> oh yeah..i keep forgetting about synaptic since i use the command line to much
[07:06] <nicedreams> smooth:  use Synaptic like speel said
[07:06] <ficusplanet> speel, Well, one that automatically checks for updates.
[07:06] <smooth-operator> where do i find synaptic?
[07:06] <nicedreams> in gnome utils
[07:06] <speel> computer > sys config > synaptic
[07:06] <nicedreams> system settings
[07:07] <hartbrkr> I just installed ubuntu and used the default partitions (3.0 GB for / and 171MB for swap) but changed the fs type to reiserfs, as someone recommended I use it. now that it finished installing, it rebooted and I got grub Error 17. is that because the / partition isn't ext3? can grub only read ext2/3 partitions to boot from?
[07:07] <speel> when you open it make sure you click on reload so you make sure there arent any updates you missed
[07:08] <nicedreams> hartbrkr:  you can't just change to reiserfs, change it back to ext3
[07:08] <hartbrkr> nicedreams: so do I need to reinstall ubuntu? probably eh?
[07:08] <nicedreams> hartbrkr: easiest way i know to fix it is boot with knoppix and change root
[07:08] <nicedreams> or reinstall
[07:08] <nicedreams> do this for your partitions
[07:08] <nicedreams> make a /home partition
[07:08] <nicedreams> and / partiton
[07:09] <nicedreams> and swap
[07:09] <nicedreams> make a /home partition so you never ever loose your settings and info when reformating or changing distos
[07:09] <nicedreams> that's the best part of linux i think
[07:09] <nicedreams> screw windows
[07:09] <hartbrkr> oh yeah, I totally forgot that I wanted to use a different drive for /home anyways .. I'll just reinstall
[07:09] <smooth-operator> do i want the default upgrade or smart upgrade?
[07:09] <nicedreams> every config you do and setting is in your /home dir
[07:09] <crimsun> smooth-operator: either
[07:09] <Seq> smooth-operator: default
[07:10] <smooth-operator> ok
[07:10] <speel> well we cant crap on windows i mean cept for the spyare,viruses,and late updates its pretty good .. everything works right well for me
[07:10] <scoon> doh
[07:10] <Arc> the usb mass storage is detected but its not doing anything
[07:10] <Seq> speel: reminds me of: "yeah, but what have the romans ever done for us"
[07:10] <Arc> or atleast, i dont see it doing anything that she would be able to use
[07:10] <speel> lol
[07:11] <Arc> no icons, no windows popping up, i cant find it in the disks menu..
[07:11] <Seq> Arc: open a terminal and type `mount`, just to see if it was mounted
[07:14] <smooth-operator> i'm liking this linux thing :] 
[07:15] <Seq> smooth-operator: congrats :)
[07:17] <hartbrkr> the only reason I don't use linux, is cause my video card's tv-out isn't supported :( and I use it a lot. unless someone knows how to get a radeon 7500 working with tv out
[07:19] <Freakwitch> Hi, I'm running warty, does anyone else get a long delay when launching OpenOffice? I get the splash screen almost immediately, but then it sits there for several minutes (not seconds) before finally launching.
[07:19] <Freakwitch> it just started doing this a week or so ago, haven't been able to figure out why
[07:19] <Freakwitch> sadly, launching oowriter from the command line offers no clues, there is no text output
[07:20] <sunjoy> Freakwitch: do you have java installed?
[07:21] <Freakwitch> sunjoy: yes
[07:21] <Freakwitch> I've been suspecting java, actually
[07:21] <Freakwitch> there, it finally opened
[07:21] <Freakwitch> let me turn off java in oo
[07:21] <sunjoy> Freakwitch: yeah, that's what I'd try
[07:22] <xhypno> nope no delay in openoffice
[07:22] <Freakwitch> hmmm, 'security checks' was turned on, java in general was off
[07:22] <Freakwitch> so I turned off security checks, let's see if that helps....
[07:23] <Arc> grumble
[07:23] <Freakwitch> hmmm, nope
[07:23] <Freakwitch> it's hanging again
[07:23] <Pokemon> Hi, Guys, New to this channel, Tried ubuntu just yesterday and am really impressed, Nice to see so many in this channel :)
[07:24] <Freakwitch> Hi Pokemon, I'm an ubuntunewbie too, been running it on my new laptop for about 3 weeks now
[07:24] <Pokemon> Thats great :)
[07:24] <Pokemon> Currently am not using ubuntu, am in the office :)
[07:25] <xhypno> Ubuntu was the quickest laptop install I ever did for a Linux distro
[07:25] <Pokemon> The installer for ubuntu is good, except for no GUI
[07:25] <Freakwitch> xhypno: agreed. After install, most things Just Worked, which was very impressive
[07:26] <Pokemon> Where can i get the source code for the installer
[07:26] <sunjoy> Freakwitch: I get about 10 secs to the splash screen, and 10 more for a blank OO.o writer doc.  That's with 1ghz/128meg in Gnome.
[07:27] <Freakwitch> my install is documented here if anyone is interested: http://jwl.freakwitch.net/Linux_Toshiba_M35X-S149.html
[07:27] <Freakwitch> sunjoy: thanks. Yeah, I get the splash screen almost instantly, and the progress bar goes all the way to the right within a second or two, then.... nothing. Usually for 3-5 minutes. Then all of a sudden, OOWriter pops up
[07:28] <Freakwitch> 1.5GHz centrino/256MB ram
[07:28] <xhypno> oh yeah, Slack, Fedora, Mandrake, Debian, SuSe, Gentoo. when it comes to install none compare to Ubuntu when it comes to getting the system up quick, with almost all hardware recognized and working.
[07:28] <Freakwitch> it used to be faster
[07:28] <Freakwitch> even wifi worked out of the box, which I was totally not expecting
[07:29] <Pokemon> Can anyone help me out to find the code for the installer ?
[07:29] <Freakwitch> though now that I think about it, I haven't actually tried to burn a cd yet....
[07:29] <xhypno> Yup, CD burning worked perfect out of the box, even on my Compaq laptop
[07:30] <xhypno> When it comes to ease of install and software avaliability, I am now leaning towards Ubuntu being the best.
[07:31] <xhypno> I still use Debian or Slack on my servers still, when I am not using Solaris 9 or SCO
[07:31] <sunjoy> xhypno: There's not enough in the supported repositories though.
[07:31] <sunjoy> mumble mumble SCO mumble grumble
[07:32] <xhypno> When you use Universe and multiverse, there is the same amount as the Debian Woody stable repositories.
[07:33] <xhypno> Remember, Ubuntu is still an infant, more mirrors and supported packs will come around
[07:33] <Freakwitch> the one thing I miss is something like k3b for gnome
[07:33] <sunjoy>  xhypno : absolutely, but Universe is not suported software.  Multi is non-free so that's ok.
[07:33] <zenwhen> Plus, who needs support? :P
[07:33] <Seq> Freakwitch: graveman and coaster are fast approaching
[07:33] <xhypno> Yup, that is what this channels for
[07:34] <sunjoy> zenwhen: supported as in there's a regular package maintainer for Ubuntu who is responsible for security updates and such
[07:34] <xhypno> sunjoy: Whats wrong with SCO? It is one of the best when it comes to Stability.
[07:34] <Freakwitch> ok, I may have altered some memory settings under Tools > Options > OpenOffice.org > Memory in OpenOffice. I wonder if this has anything to do with why it takes so long tolaunch. Can anyone tell me what their settings are here?
[07:35] <sunjoy> xhypno: the OS I have no probs with.  It's the company and its lawyers
[07:35] <xhypno> True.
[07:36] <xhypno> But when it comes to High Avaliablity Clusters, you can hardly beat it.
[07:37] <xhypno> Freakwitch: 20, 9, 2.4, 00:10, 20
[07:37] <daniels> xhypno: actually, the package numbers mirror Debian's sid, because that's what we sync from
[07:37] <Freakwitch> thanks, xhypno
[07:37] <xhypno> NP
[07:37] <Freakwitch> tht's what I had, actually, guess I hadn't messed with it...
[07:38] <xhypno> Anyone gotten ICA to work in the Terminal Server Client
[07:38] <xhypno> ???
[07:38] <Freakwitch> hmmm, what's the OO connection pool under data sources?
[07:38] <xhypno> I am getting sick of using Metaframe, uses too many resources
[07:39] <xhypno> rem from memory after 00 hours 10 min
[07:40] <xhypno> Anyone know the Package name for the Terminal Server Client? I wanna try reinstalling it, cuz it can't load wfica
[07:41] <Freakwitch> I was sitting in a coffeeshop earlier tonight, with no wifi network active, and openoffice opened right up. I wonder if it's looking for a net connection for some reason?
[07:41] <xhypno> I don't know, mine works the same with wifi or not
[07:42] <Freakwitch> xhypno: try tsclient
[07:43] <xhypno> I am, but ICA fails to load wfica, and I can't figure it out
[07:43] <Freakwitch> no, isn't tsclient the package name? I did an apt-cache search and that's what came up
[07:43] <Freakwitch> there are several, actually
[07:44] <xhypno> I just lessed through dpkg -l to find the pack name, but it is a dependecy, so I can remove it
[07:44] <xhypno> I am using tsclient
[07:44] <xhypno> what are some others, I'll try one
[07:44] <Freakwitch> rdesktop, tsclient, cyclades-serial-client,grdesktop
[07:44] <Freakwitch> try that last one
[07:45] <xhypno> ok installing grdesktop
[07:47] <xhypno> cool, grdesktop worked perfect from the get go, and it uses a lot less resources then metaframe
[07:48] <Freakwitch> nice
[07:48] <xhypno> yeah, it is a dead mirror for winXP's remote desktop client
[07:49] <xhypno> When I have to remote in to a few servers at work, metaframe uses so many resources that the 1 gig of ram in the system doesn't help
[07:50] <gza> ok guys I upgraded the 350mhz to 128 ram. Is that enough for a default install?
[07:50] <Freakwitch> gza: what do you mean by "enough"?  ;-)
[07:50] <Freakwitch> my guess is it will run, but very very slowly
[07:51] <xhypno> Yeah, but I wouldn't suggest loading that many progs at the same time
[07:51] <Freakwitch> how much swap do you have?
[07:51] <gza> Freakwitch: enough to impress mom and bro that linux is good enough for them ;)
[07:51] <Freakwitch> heh, 256MB would be better for that....
[07:52] <gza> I'm trying to move my family to *nix (I been using fbsd)
[07:52] <Freakwitch> my desktop machine is a 400MHz with 256MB....
[07:52] <nicedreams> that's fine requirments
[07:52] <nicedreams> use ubuntu
[07:52] <Freakwitch> well, ubuntu is a good choice of distro....
[07:52] <nicedreams> if gnome is too big...use xfce4 or fluxbox
[07:53] <gza> flux is tough for people coming from linux
[07:53] <xhypno> Flux is good for low resource systems
[07:53] <nicedreams> very very very true
[07:53] <nicedreams> flux is a bitch at first
[07:53] <nicedreams> lol
[07:53] <gza> linux -> win2k
[07:53] <nicedreams> ?
[07:53] <xhypno> I love it, I have used it for a while, it just takes alot of getting use too
[07:53] <nicedreams> use ice desktop
[07:53] <Freakwitch> I've heard very good things about xfce4
[07:53] <nicedreams> ice might be a good one, put the desktop icons extension on it
[07:53] <scoon> xfce4 is sweet as well
[07:54] <Freakwitch> I was a kde user until I tried ubuntu
[07:54] <nicedreams> xfce4 is nice but gets on my nerves alot
[07:54] <Freakwitch> now it's gnome
[07:54] <scoon> really ?
[07:54] <nicedreams> gnome rocks.  gnome desktop with kde apps is the way to go
[07:54] <gza> Freakwitch: gnome is much more elegant
[07:54] <scoon> what the lack of icons ?
[07:54] <nicedreams> :p
[07:54] <nicedreams> ice is good for a noob from windows
[07:54] <xhypno> I haven't used xfce4, but it has alot of features, and now has a very good graphical interface that will soon compete with Gnome or KDE. Transparencies, 3d textures, and many more
[07:55] <Crane> Man xmms is not working
[07:55] <Freakwitch> well, I like the simplicity of gnome, except when I don't. ;-)
[07:55] <Crane> that sux
[07:55] <Freakwitch> there are times when I want to tweak something and can't find how to tweak it
[07:55] <scoon> xhypno, there is a rumor kicking around that xfce will start using icons
[07:55] <xhypno> Very True
[07:55] <xhypno> !!!!
[07:55] <calc> Freakwitch: for some reason gnome seems to like to have most of the features you want but have them hidden so you don't know how to use them
[07:55] <xhypno> Flux with fbdesk and a new toolbar is very good
[07:55] <Crane> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:55] <Crane> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[07:55] <scoon> but by that time, gnome 3.0 will be out and hopefully kick ass.
[07:55] <calc> like ctrl-l in the file dialog
[07:56] <Crane> what the hey does that mean?
[07:56] <nicedreams> any way in xfce4 to not have apps maximize over the bottom bar?
[07:56] <nicedreams> i like having a bar like in gnome and kde
[07:56] <nicedreams> xfce4 makes it hard to use one
[07:56] <calc> perhaps they are hiding them so someone can write a gnome secrets book
[07:56] <nicedreams> execpt for the top apps bar that you can't really add stuff to
[07:56] <xhypno> Crane: missing a dependency, look through Synaptic for the right lib to install
[07:56] <Freakwitch> Crane: try going into xmms preferences and turning off the MikMod input plugin
[07:57] <gza> ok thanks well see how it goes with 128 ram
[07:57] <Freakwitch> unless you're actually trying to play MikMod files
[07:57] <Freakwitch> which I have no idea what they are
[07:57] <nicedreams> crane: use mpg123 or mpg321 if your feening for music and xmms doesn't work.  I do that when xmms breaks like it does alot
[07:57] <scoon> the reason that windows go over it is becuase they are not being compliant
[07:57] <calc> totem and rhythmbox are good too
[07:57] <scoon> i guess something like devilspie would take care of that.
[07:58] <scoon> but xfce doesn
[07:58] <Freakwitch> calc: rhythmbox pisses me off
[07:58] <Freakwitch> I want to like it, but I have yet to see it work properly
[07:58] <calc> Freakwitch: what problem do you have?
[07:58] <Freakwitch> every time I try to import a library, it hangs
[07:58] <xhypno> I second that
[07:58] <nicedreams> beep media player (BMP) is very nice
[07:58] <calc> Freakwitch: hmm sounds fun
[07:58] <nicedreams> it can use winamp skins too
[07:58] <scoon> Freakwitch, yes it does.
[07:59] <calc> perhaps i should test it and its author (i know him) some bugs ;)
[07:59] <xhypno> I have never used BMP
[07:59] <scoon> Freakwitch, i have over 20gig of mp3's and it chokes it after about 800megs
[07:59] <calc> er and send
[07:59] <nicedreams> i use bmp for streaming
[07:59] <Freakwitch> ideally, we'd see rhythmbox working right, with the capability to burn CDs from its playlist
[07:59] <Freakwitch> now *that* would be cool
[07:59] <scoon> i have started using bmp.
[07:59] <Freakwitch> scoon: sounds all-too-familiar
[07:59] <scoon> zinf is another nice one.
[07:59] <nicedreams> oh damn...here's a good question I can't find from google.....    Is there a winamp tv listing?
[07:59] <nicedreams> so i can watch NSV in linux?
[08:00] <Freakwitch> Muine is interesting
[08:00] <Freakwitch> but I find myself just using xmms the most
[08:00] <scoon> Freakwitch, well you can run it from a terminal with the verbosity and see where you are hanging.
[08:00] <Freakwitch> yeah, but it's faster to just fire up xmms   ;-)
[08:00] <scoon> Freakwitch, i spent an afty cleaning up my id3's just so they would be perfect for the ever so bratty rhythmbox.
[08:01] <nicedreams> scoon: the very problem with rhythmbox
[08:01] <Freakwitch> why is it so unstable?
[08:01] <Freakwitch> why can't it just get it right?
[08:01] <calc> because someone at redhat wrote it ;)
[08:01] <scoon> dunno
[08:01] <Freakwitch> it can't be that hard,can it?
[08:01] <Freakwitch> calc, heh, say no more
[08:01] <nicedreams> lol
[08:01] <crimsun> that person is also a debian developer ;)
[08:01] <calc> Freakwitch: actually redhat hired him after the fact
[08:01] <calc> crimsun: yea ;)
[08:01] <calc> though i dont think he does debian stuff anymore
[08:02] <calc> haven't seen him on irc in a long time
[08:02] <nicedreams> debian is the best linux distro to date, in my opionion
[08:02] <nicedreams> redhat is going too corporate
[08:02] <nicedreams> and novell is taking suse in the direction
[08:03] <nicedreams> tough i do like novell
[08:03] <nicedreams> *though*
[08:03] <nicedreams> it seems to me like redhat/suse will be just like windows in the future and people will stop using it because of flexabliity
[08:05] <nicedreams> woah
[08:06] <Freakwitch> duck! tsunami!
[08:06] <nicedreams> aw
[08:06] <xhypno> LOL
[08:06] <nicedreams> that's bad
[08:06] <speel> rofl
[08:06] <xhypno> Always
[08:06] <scoon> yeah not even 100 peeps got dumped from here.
[08:06] <nicedreams> www.neowin.net has camera footage of the wave
[08:06] <nicedreams> it's awful watching people just get killed like that
[08:06] <xhypno> yup
[08:06] <xhypno> 120k already
[08:07] <scoon> the media loves it tho
[08:07] <nicedreams> 125k
[08:07] <xhypno> They love misery
[08:07] <nicedreams> and another 100k still missing
[08:07] <scoon> gives them something to sell, er report.
[08:07] <xhypno> LOL
[08:07] <scoon> its only a matter of time until we start seeing tsunami t-shirts.
[08:08] <nicedreams> end of the world is near, i'd say in our childrens old age it will happen
[08:08] <Freakwitch> nicedreams: what do you use to watch the .wmv files?
[08:08] <nicedreams> freakwitch: xine or mplayer
[08:08] <calc> totem-xine plays them as well
[08:08] <nicedreams> freakwitch: i'm starting to like xine more
[08:08] <calc> and looks prettier
[08:08] <xhypno> Hey, people don't remember it, down here in south FL, we had a 5ft tsunami when the Volcano on Monserat erupted, and it was only a very small eruption
[08:08] <nicedreams> you just need the codecs
[08:08] <nicedreams> get the win-codecs from the repositories
[08:09] <Freakwitch> apt-get install win-codecs?
[08:09] <Freakwitch> which repo?
[08:09] <nicedreams> do this
[08:09] <calc> xhypno: is that the volcano that is expected to wipe out the east coast when it blows?
[08:09] <xhypno> It took that wave less then 70 min to hit South FL. Imagine if it was a huge eruption
[08:09] <nicedreams> aptitude search codec
[08:09] <nicedreams> then
[08:09] <nicedreams> aptitude install <package>
[08:10] <nicedreams> i'm from florida, but in phoenix, arizona now
[08:10] <nicedreams> nothing will ever ever ever happen here
[08:10] <xhypno> Yup, they think it is going to be a blast big enough to cause a 100+ft wave and a permanent change in the climate in the northern hemisphere
[08:10] <nicedreams> this is the worst place in the world, but the safest from disaster
[08:10] <nicedreams> lol
[08:10] <xhypno> HEAT!!!!
[08:10] <Freakwitch> thanks nicedreams
[08:10] <nicedreams> np
[08:11] <xhypno> my uncle used to tell me about 125 degree days were he lives in south phoenix
[08:11] <nicedreams> aptitude rocks
[08:11] <nicedreams> that's a normal day in july
[08:11] <xhypno> The last one was in the early 80's
[08:11] <nicedreams> i hate it
[08:11] <xhypno> LOL
[08:11] <nicedreams> last one was on my birthday in july
[08:11] <calc> xhypno: i think i remember that
[08:11] <calc> istr them shutting down the airport back then
[08:11] <nicedreams> and i was waiting for the city bus in 120 degree heat
[08:11] <xhypno> I hate the heat in FL, too much humidity
[08:11] <nicedreams> and everyone is stupid over here from the heat
[08:11] <xhypno> OUCH
[08:11] <nicedreams> i miss tampa
[08:12] <nicedreams> baseball bugs
[08:12] <nicedreams> lol
[08:12] <nicedreams> misquitos the size of them
[08:12] <xhypno> tampa is at least cooler then Miami were I live
[08:12] <Freakwitch> nicedreams, I get audio but no video in xine
[08:12] <Freakwitch> totem won't even play it
[08:12] <Freakwitch> that's after installing w32codecs
[08:12] <calc> houston is nice and hot as well with 100% humidity whee :)
[08:12] <nicedreams> i have problems with audio too sometimes....  switch is to alsa sound and it should work
[08:12] <xhypno> yup, about the same
[08:12] <calc> Freakwitch: totem or totem-xine?
[08:13] <calc> Freakwitch: regular totem won't play much unless you have a gstreamer plugin for it
[08:13] <calc> totem-xine uses xine backend and play nearly everything
[08:13] <nicedreams> freakwitch: should be an option in xine to tell it to do alsa
[08:13] <Freakwitch> yeah, i have it set for alsa
[08:13] <Freakwitch> I get audio
[08:13] <Freakwitch> just no video
[08:13] <nicedreams> totem-xine eh?  what's better about it?
[08:13] <nicedreams> i might use it
[08:13] <nicedreams> freakwitch: oh....
[08:13] <calc> nicedreams: see above it uses xine backend
[08:13] <calc> regular totem uses gstreamer
[08:14] <calc> gstreamer doesn't have plugins for lots of non-free stuf
[08:14] <calc> f
[08:14] <xhypno> I hate gstreamer, too unstable
[08:15] <nicedreams> Freakwitch, install totem then
[08:15] <speel> shit do i wish i had like a build in google into my wall or somthing so i can find what im looking for in my room
[08:15] <Freakwitch> xine doesn't see the plugin, the .dll file
[08:15] <xhypno> Well, I am out. It is almost 2:30am. I have to do about 6 hours of server backups tomorrow. Later
[08:15] <Freakwitch> have fun, xhypno
[08:16] <xhypno> Yeah, right. That is the prob with working for a Web Hosting coompany
[08:16] <nicedreams> lmao
[08:16] <nicedreams> no joke
[08:16] <Freakwitch> heh heh heh
[08:16] <xhypno> That has to have over 1.5 mil domains hosted
[08:17] <xhypno> Later, be back tomorrow night.
[08:17] <nicedreams> late
[08:20] <Freakwitch> ok, finally found w32codecs
[08:21] <nicedreams> oh
[08:21] <nicedreams> lol
[08:21] <Freakwitch> in another repository
[08:21] <nicedreams> yea
[08:21] <nicedreams> ubuntu's?
[08:21] <Freakwitch> no
[08:21] <nicedreams> are you in hoary?
[08:21] <Freakwitch> debian-marillat
[08:21] <Freakwitch> no, warty
[08:21] <nicedreams> oh...i see...  no wonder your having problems
[08:21] <nicedreams> tell you what, if you ever want a nice desktop distro.....always use the testing distro that's out
[08:22] <nicedreams> like sarge or hoary
[08:22] <nicedreams> or whatever
[08:22] <nicedreams> it has the newest of everything
[08:22] <scoon> i don't know if that is such a hot idea
[08:22] <nicedreams> might break sometimes, but I can't stand stable versions of old stuff
[08:22] <scoon> for most people
[08:22] <nicedreams> everyone i know in person so far never uses stable, except for the initial trial of the distro
[08:23] <nicedreams> then it's an upgrade or reinstall
[08:23] <scoon> that is all well in good
[08:23] <scoon> but i would suggest that to anyone that is just starting out to learn linux
[08:23] <nicedreams> i figure if you really want to learn, start with the hard stuff
[08:23] <Freakwitch> ok, now it works
[08:24] <scoon> i don't know about that.
[08:24] <nicedreams> i started with slackware, which is hard as hell, then debian (which is the bomb) then gentoo for the hell of it
[08:24] <scoon> cuz then you loose the benefits of stability.
[08:24] <scoon> god gentoo sucked
[08:24] <nicedreams> stability in a desktop i feel is not needed
[08:24] <nicedreams> i agree
[08:24] <nicedreams> i don't like waiting a full day to compile software just to use it
[08:24] <scoon> yeah
[08:24] <julius_trop> hello
[08:24] <scoon> well i used it for 18mos
[08:24] <nicedreams> hi
[08:24] <scoon> i am a recovering emerge-a-holic
[08:25] <nicedreams> lol
[08:25] <julius_trop> how do i copy a bunch of files from one directory to another in the console
[08:25] <scoon> i lost all my bad habits cuz of that fucking distro
[08:25] <Freakwitch> warty seems OK to me
[08:25] <nicedreams> julius_trop, ' cp -R'
[08:25] <scoon> Freakwitch,  ubuntu is the best distro i have used to date.
[08:26] <Freakwitch> yeah, I'd have to agree, though I really like PCLinuxOS too
[08:26] <scoon> nicedreams, is nice.
[08:26] <nicedreams> Freakwitch, if you ever get tired of it, try to upgrade to hoary.  You'll have all the lastest versions of everything
[08:26] <scoon> i would of just said man cp
[08:26] <nicedreams> and more in the repository
[08:26] <nicedreams> lol
[08:26] <nicedreams> man is confusing sometimes.  It needs to give better examples
[08:26] <nicedreams> the examples is all i care about
[08:26] <scoon> or people just need to read slower.
[08:26] <julius_trop> it says cp:missing destination file
[08:26] <scoon> i have no problem.
[08:27] <scoon> julius_trop, try man cp
[08:27] <nicedreams> what from and to you trying to copy and i'll type command fo ryou
[08:27] <Freakwitch> yeah, I've thought about that
[08:27] <scoon> eek
[08:27] <nicedreams> or this is easy
[08:27] <Freakwitch> but I have bad memories runnign debian unstable from about 2 years ago
[08:27] <scoon> Freakwitch, i just up'd to hoary last eve
[08:28] <nicedreams> well i figure this.  if you have a /home partition then what is the problem
[08:28] <Freakwitch> how'd it go?
[08:28] <scoon> it works all right so far.
[08:28] <scoon> ok
[08:28] <nicedreams> just put a different distro on and go back to work
[08:28] <scoon> i lost glx shit
[08:28] <scoon> for a smidge
[08:28] <Freakwitch> I do have a spare partition on the laptop, I could install hoary there
[08:28] <nicedreams> loosing glx sucked
[08:28] <julius_trop> /home/john/Desktop/win32codecs/win32codecs-20040703 to /usr/local/lib/codecs
[08:28] <scoon> i had to set up mutt cuz evolution was broken for a bit as well.
[08:29] <nicedreams> julius_trop, get into the copy from dir and type this:    cp -Rv . /usr/local/lib/codecs
[08:29] <nicedreams> julius_trop, why you doing that anyways
[08:29] <scoon> gnome 2.9 does not have applications:///
[08:29] <scoon> so there isn't a way to tweak your menus.
[08:29] <nicedreams> aptitude install w32codecs
[08:29] <scoon> also tvtime puts 2 entries in for itself.
[08:29] <scoon> little gripes.
[08:29] <nicedreams> scoon, i always fall back on fluxbox when having problems
[08:29] <scoon> nothing major tho
[08:29] <scoon> nice
[08:29] <scoon> i don't like flux at all.
[08:30] <scoon> i am running xfce now.
[08:30] <nicedreams> lol...yea....it sucks at times
[08:30] <scoon> i put that in from the installers that they have.
[08:30] <nicedreams> scoon, answer this for me then
[08:30] <scoon> k
[08:30] <julius_trop> i'm trying to build mplayer and it requires codecs in specific place to include them in the build
[08:30] <scoon> julius_trop, no they do not.
[08:30] <scoon> julius_trop, i have built my own mplayer
[08:31] <julius_trop> well thanks for aptitude nfc about that command
[08:31] <scoon> julius_trop, read the INSTALL file and take a look at configure --help
[08:31] <nicedreams> scoon, the bottom menu; how do you make it act like the gnome bottom bar like for maximized apps?  Like when I expand firefox, it doesn't stay above the bottom bar, either over it or under it
[08:31] <julius_trop> okay scoon
[08:31] <scoon> nicedreams, for flux? i don't know.  I ran it for about a week and thought it looked shitty.
[08:31] <julius_trop> tnanks
[08:31] <nicedreams> julius_trop, aptitude is the new age apt-get that is much better
[08:31] <scoon> julius_trop, i have all of my "compiles" in /opt
[08:32] <nicedreams> scoon, like i said, i fall back on it
[08:32] <scoon> kinda a standard thing to do
[08:32] <nicedreams> scoon, i want xfce to do like gnome
[08:32] <scoon> nicedreams, i'll tell you what was nice was openbox
[08:32] <nicedreams> scoon, with the bars
[08:32] <scoon> bars ?
[08:32] <nicedreams> menu bars
[08:32] <scoon> ah
[08:32] <Freakwitch> alright all, I'm outta hear
[08:32] <Freakwitch> here
[08:32] <scoon> cya
[08:32] <nicedreams> Freakwitch, night
[08:32] <Freakwitch> this Freakwitch must sleep now
[08:32] <Freakwitch> thanks all
[08:32] <nicedreams> what's sleep
[08:33] <scoon> its only 2:33
[08:33] <Freakwitch> it's what your body does while your consciousness is dreaming
[08:33] <nicedreams> nice answer
[08:33] <scoon> bars have only been closed for 33 mins here.
[08:38] <nicedreams> time to get my half life 2 fix
[08:38] <julius_trop> wtb a port to everquest :)
[08:38] <nicedreams> i'm out
[08:38] <nicedreams> without linux, there would be no future
[08:40] <zenrox> question how do i share a directory in /mnt using samba
[08:46] <scoon> zenrox, http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html there are some hints there.
[08:52] <zenrox> scoon i fegured it out
[08:52] <scoon> good, good.
[08:52] <zenrox> mount the drives to /home/public
[08:53] <zenrox> then shair public
[08:53] <zenrox> smba to smba
[08:53] <scoon> that is a good idea.
[08:53] <zenrox> worked great
[08:54] <zenrox> i love jsut trying some thing to see if it works
[08:54] <zenrox> and it did
[08:54] <zenrox> work
[08:54] <scoon> welcome to linux
[08:54] <zenrox> now
[08:54] <zenrox> naw
[08:54] <zenrox> i have bine using ubuntu for 2 months now
[08:54] <zenrox> it just infected another box
[08:54] <scoon> that is one of the many great things about linux.
[08:54] <scoon> nice.
[08:54] <zenrox> lol
[08:54] <crimsun> that nasty ubuntu virus
[08:54] <zenrox> rofl
[08:54] <scoon> i have been using linux since 1996
[08:54] <crimsun> quick! wipe it out with...ubuntu.
[08:55] <scoon> yup.
[08:55] <julius_trop> where do i go for enviroment variables in linux
[08:55] <scoon> i still cat believe how nice ubuntu works.
[08:55] <crimsun> julius_trop: your local environment
[08:55] <zenrox> i have bine using nix since rh 7.0 was out
[08:55] <julius_trop> ubuntu is a really smooth distro
[08:55] <scoon> i used to use that as well.
[08:55] <scoon> yeah it is
[08:55] <zenrox> julius_trop,  yep ubuntu rock
[08:56] <crimsun> julius_trop: ~/.bashrc, usually
[08:56] <zenrox> this box i just installed it on i couldent get the big 3 distros on it ubuntu is the first ever linux on it
[08:59] <spunout> hello
[08:59] <spunout> trying to import mail from a crashed fedora thunderbird into my ubuntu thunderbird
[09:00] <spunout> any ideas howto?
[09:01] <davyd> spunout: there is stuff on the Mozilla website I think
[09:01] <scoon> all right
[09:01] <scoon> later all
[09:04] <gobeavs> anyone here use cedega?
[09:04] <lifeless> yeah
[09:04] <gobeavs> I first installed cedega, and am now installing point2play and getting the latest cedega on top of it
[09:04] <gobeavs> will it overwrite the previous cedega
[09:05] <gobeavs> or will it have problems?
[09:05] <gobeavs> getting the latest cedega through P2P because it doesn't recognize I already have it
[09:05] <crimsun> a question better posed in #cedega
[09:06] <gobeavs> ah
[09:06] <gobeavs> ok
[09:06] <gobeavs> thx
[09:08] <kipod> azureus dl very slow for me ( all though i m uploading at 22Kb/s ) no metter what i m trying to dl with it , it downloads it at 3Kb/s. did some had this problem ? do u know the sulosion ?
[09:10] <crimsun> kipod: are you behind a "adsl router?"
[09:12] <kipod> crimsun,  yeah i m
[09:13] <zenrox> now i am using xdmcp connect to it so i can take off its montor keyboard and mouse
[09:13] <crimsun> kipod: you need to forward ports 6881-6889 incoming tcp to your computer
[09:13] <crimsun> kipod: see your ISP's support web site for documentation if you use an ISP-provided "router"
[09:14] <kipod> i have configured my router to forward but  i don't know how to configure it on AZUTEUS ....
[09:14] <izaac> kipod: yeah dude you need it or the router manufacturer page and then you can get into the http manager of your router
[09:15] <zerok> hi :-)
[09:15] <izaac> kipod: just foward the ports that crimsun says
[09:15] <zerok> can i also ask questions about hoary here?
[09:15] <kipod> izaac,  i have
[09:16] <diego> zerok: yeah
[09:16] <kipod> 4 weeks ago
[09:16] <izaac> :O
[09:16] <hartbrkr> what does GRUB error 18 mean? last time I installed ubuntu I had a reiserfs / partition, and grub gave me error 17. now I have ext3 /, and I get 18 ..
[09:17] <izaac> kipod: strange
[09:17] <izaac> zerok: yes you can
[09:17] <cartman> ;-)
[09:17] <cartman> first bug that is
[09:18] <diego> hartbrkr: surely there is a nice table of what grub error codes refer to somewhere. we can't be expected to memorize all error codes
[09:19] <zerok> tnx :-) i was just searching for a pastebin without php syntax highlighting ;-)
[09:19] <zerok> since about yesterday, the dpkg db seems to be broken for me :S http://pastebin.ca/3615 any idea how i can fix that?
[09:25] <zerok> hmm.... what exactly does /var/lib/dpkg/available store? a list of installed packages or the packages that could be installed?
[09:28] <zerok> ok, problem solved :-)
[09:28] <diego> zerok: how was the problem solved?
[09:28] <zerok> diego, dpkg --clear-avail ; dpkg -C
[09:29] <diego> interesting
[09:30] <zerok> i was just not sure what "available" stores so i wanted to ask first. but then i remembered that this is a more or less clean installation (ok, some small things here and there) so reinstalling the whole systeme shouldn't be a tragedy :-)
[09:30] <hartbrkr> diego thanks
[09:30] <zerok> brb. have to test 2.6.10 ;-)
[09:31] <diego> hartbrkr: for being an ass? not a problem :D
[09:31] <hartbrkr> diego, surely there's an ass in every channel. I can't be expected to know it's you. mahahaha
[09:31] <ImTheAssInThisCh> now you can.
[09:32] <Synek> hi] 
[09:32] <GoneBoB> HAPPY NEW YEAR
[09:32] <GoneBoB> oh wait.. I'm not in my own person timezone
[09:32] <Synek> ;] 
[09:32] <GoneBoB> happy new year for later
[09:33] <Synek> yup, 14,5 h left ;)
[09:33] <GoneBoB> not from here
[09:33] <GoneBoB> 4.5 hrs
[09:34] <hartbrkr> it's 12:33AM 31-12-04 here
[09:34] <GoneBoB> hehe
[09:34] <GoneBoB> Fri Dec 31 19:35:04 EST 2004
[09:34] <Synek> 9:35 am :)
[09:42] <yorhel> help! I just did a dist-upgrade to hoary, but it stopped updating and complains about kdelibs-data, which can't be unpacked :(
[09:43] <yorhel> is there a way to skip that package, since I only need it for k3b, AFAIK
[09:43] <cartman> yorhel: k3b depends on  kdelibs
[09:44] <tk-taut> is there any way to install Ubuntu with KDE?
[09:44] <cartman> tk-taut: KDE is available from "universe"
[09:44] <yorhel> I know k3b depends on kdelibs, but I dont need k3b now...
[09:44] <davyd> yorhel: you could remove it
[09:45] <cartman> yorhel: dpkg --purge remove k3b
[09:46] <yorhel> hmm... *trying*
[09:47] <yorhel> it still tries to update kdelibs-data...
[09:48] <yorhel> and then stops upgrading
[09:48] <cartman> then you got something depends on it
[09:49] <yorhel> ah, yes, I see...
[09:50] <yorhel> yeay, the hoary upgrade is continues... :)
[09:50] <yorhel> thnx
[09:50] <yorhel> ah, damn, bad english...srry :)
[09:51] <abelli> does someone know where the gdm's error messages are?
[09:51] <abelli> stored ?
[09:51] <crimsun> abelli: /var/log/gdm/
[09:52] <abelli> no i mean the error messages it prints
[09:52] <abelli> where does it take them from?
[09:55] <da_bon_bon> hi all. happy new year :)
[09:55] <abelli> ciao
[09:55] <yorhel> hmm, too early for a new year :)
[09:56] <abelli> yorhel: where are you?
[09:57] <yorhel> netherlands
[09:57] <yorhel> 9:30 am here
[09:57] <da_bon_bon> if my modem  is on com2, what is it -> /dev/ttyXX ??
[09:57] <abelli> you should be partying yet
[09:57] <cartman> da_bon_bon: ttyS1
[09:57] <da_bon_bon> cartman: thanks
[09:58] <cartman> np
[09:58] <abelli> cartman: may the dark side of the force (Gnome) be with you
[09:58] <cartman> abelli: I rather choose other dark side ;-)
[09:59] <abelli> ;)
[09:59] <abelli> ehehe
[09:59] <cartman> abelli: though some core KDE developers said they find Ubuntu great
[09:59] <cartman> *blink*
[10:00] <abelli> cartman: though some core KDE developers have said something wise [the only thing...]  in their life
[10:00] <abelli> ;)
[10:00] <cartman> abelli: makes me wonder how many KDE developer you actually know
[10:00] <cartman> anyway I don't want a DE fight
[10:00] <abelli> abelli: noone..
[10:01] <zenrox> sweet
[10:01] <abelli> hopefully..
[10:01] <zenrox> i love how i can connect to antoehr linux box and get a xnest login
[10:01] <abelli> blah.. arghh.. noo.. one actually, and we attend the same university...
[10:02] <crimsun> abelli: I don't know. Can't find anything in the listed installed files nor on google. Perhaps it's embedded in the source and thus translated into the po files?
[10:02] <cartman> abelli: this "I hate KDE" thing will not bring you new Ubuntu users
[10:03] <abelli> abelli: what ?
[10:03] <abelli> cartman: what?
[10:03] <abelli> cartman: did i say that?
[10:03] <cartman> abelli: you sound so :P
[10:03] <abelli> cartman: did i ever say that :)?
[10:03] <cartman> no but you don't have to
[10:03] <abelli> :)
[10:04] <cartman> anyway Hoary+KDE rocks here :-P
[10:05] <abelli> cartman: actually i just don't suggest/advise ppl to use it with ubuntu, since it's not supported and they're not all kde core developers...
[10:06] <cartman> abelli: valid point
[10:06] <abelli> :)
[10:06] <abelli> happy new year cartman
[10:06] <cartman> you too abelli :-)
[10:10] <cartman> abelli: I knew I shouldn't mess with you
[10:10] <cartman> ;-)
[10:11] <abelli> cartman: AiKiDo... O'Sensey once wrote: "is to harmonize with the movement of the universe and bring ourselves into accord with the universe itself."
[10:12] <cartman> good one :-)
[10:12] <cartman> also Gandhi said "An eye for eye will make the whole world blind"
[10:12] <cartman> ;-)
[10:12] <abelli> AiKiDo: The Way of Harmony
[10:12] <abelli> cartman: let's wear sunglasses
[10:12] <abelli> ...sorry i'm stupid..
[10:12] <abelli> sorry
[10:13] <cartman> that was a bad one :-)
[10:16] <abelli> cartman: i know you know where gdm stores all the messages to be printed?
[10:19] <cartman> abelli: no idea but it should be in /var/log :-)
[10:19] <abelli> again: sorry, i mean where all the messages it can print are stored: the configuration file?
[10:20] <cartman> abelli: that would be in gdm's source code
[10:20] <abelli> arghh..
[10:20] <abelli> no .po file?
[10:20] <abelli> ehehe
[10:20] <cartman> abelli: hah :)
[10:20] <cartman> debug messages are for developers
[10:20] <cartman> so they are not translated usually
[10:21] <abelli> yep but like "you stupid donkey kong 4 have mistyped your password"..
[10:21] <abelli> it's translated...
[10:22] <cartman> well its an error
[10:22] <abelli> yes?
[10:22] <abelli> s/?/!
[10:22] <Josip> happy new year everybody
[10:22] <Josip> ;_)
[10:22] <abelli> ciao Josip
[10:22] <Josip> just came from school .
[10:22] <cartman> abelli: you better ask gdm developer(s)
[10:23] <cartman> brb
[10:26] <StarScream> question, if i install ubuntu warty on my ibook can i a) uninstall Xfree in install xorg b) since KDE isn't working on warty ppc, just use a debian-ppc sid/sarge source  for KDE
[10:28] <hannes__> stuNNed: pong :D
[10:28] <davyd> StarScream: the universe source is Debian
[10:29] <davyd> StarScream: failing that, try hoary, which uses X.org
[10:29] <davyd> and tracks development
[10:31] <pschulz01> Hmmm.. nobody here?
[10:32] <zAo^> why pschulz01 ?
[10:35] <pschulz01> Sorry.. slow link.. giam now shows 253 people. Woops.
[10:35] <zAo^> so >?
[10:37] <StarScream> davyd: i tried hoary but the updates kept breaking my speedtouch modems packages, and unfortunatley hoary didn't have KDE either. Warty was extreemly stable for me though
[10:38] <davyd> StarScream: you need the universe and multiverse sourcs
[10:40] <pschulz01> how do I findn out what section a particular piece of software is in?
[10:40] <pschulz01> eg. main, restricted, universe
[10:43] <zerok> pschulz01, perhaps this list helps you :-) http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/allpackages.en.txt.gz
[10:54] <davyd> pschulz01: apt-cache policy is good
[10:55] <davyd> so apt-cache policy evolution
[10:55] <davyd> will tell you what versions are available, what you have installed and where it comes from
[10:56] <Olivier_54> hi
[10:57] <abelli> ciao
[11:00] <grumbel> I wanna switch from Debian unstable to ubuntu, any caveats I should be aware of (lack of software, outdated software or whatever)?
[11:00] <zerok> is it somehow possible to change the keyboard layout in gdm?
[11:01] <GoneBoB> grumbel: none that particularly come to mind
[11:01] <GoneBoB> in terms of a comparison
[11:01] <GoneBoB> there are some packages which are older or troublesome to install in ubuntu as opposed to debian
[11:01] <GoneBoB> but on the whole I find it's much better
[11:01] <cartman> grumbel: rm /etc/init.d/xfree86-common before apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:02] <cartman> I put deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted univers in sources.list
[11:02] <cartman> and update && dist-upgrade
[11:02] <mjr> I think warty's universe lacks galeon
[11:02] <GoneBoB> haorys doesn't at least
[11:02] <mjr> Otherwise I'm happy
[11:02] <cartman> s/univers /universe
[11:03] <GoneBoB> I'm using it right now
[11:07] <Arc> grr
[11:07] <Arc> where do I get ncurses from?
[11:07] <Arc> ncurses-devel doesnt exist and ncurses has been flagged
[11:08] <Arc> er, ncurses doesnt exist but other packages reference it
[11:08] <cartman> libncurses5 & libncurses5-dev
[11:08] <grumbel> ok, time for install then, see you later...
[11:22] <yorhel> grr, I just followed the tips from the "hear multiple sounds at once" howto @ forum, but now the gnome-panel doesnt load :(
[11:22] <yorhel> (I always seem to have weird prolems =)
[11:23] <sonnyblack> hi all
[11:24] <yorhel> is there any way to undo the changes?
[11:24] <sonnyblack> guys, last night i switched my graphic board from geforce FX 5200 128MB to geforce4 64MB...after that no audio at all...any tip?
[11:26] <yorhel> sonnyblack: sounds like we are the only 2 awake here XD
[11:26] <sonnyblack> yep
[11:27] <sonnyblack> damn...cant hear anything...
[11:27] <yorhel> wel, I just tried to config ubuntu to play multiple sounds @ once, but now my gnome-panel wont load :(
[11:28] <yorhel> sound is a problem in ubuntu :P
[11:28] <sonnyblack> it worked fine, till tonite
[11:28] <RuffianSoldier> Im running Hoary - I did a apt-get upgrade (It sayed nothing to be installed) then just for no reson apt-get dist-upgrade (WHOAH! 64 MBs of stuff? But I already upgraded to hoary!) Should I proceed?
[11:29] <yorhel> RuffianSoldier: a dist-upgrade != upgrade :)
[11:29] <RuffianSoldier> i know
[11:29] <sonnyblack> i'll wait till the official release...
[11:29] <RuffianSoldier> i sayed that alot!
[11:29] <sonnyblack> just downloading some backports
[11:29] <RuffianSoldier> then I upgraded
[11:30] <RuffianSoldier> WOOOHOO!
[11:30] <yorhel> I just upgraded
[11:30] <yorhel> works fine, exept for some small problems...lol
[11:31] <yorhel> geez... is everyone sleeping here!?
[11:31] <StarScream> yeh
[11:32] <sonnyblack> guys yet long way to new year's day...here at least... :)
[11:36] <yorhel> wake up! be4 I reboot to windows... I want to avoid that!
[11:37] <RuffianSoldier> IM AWAKE IM AWAK!
[11:37] <RuffianSoldier> DONT BOOT INTO WINDOWS
[11:37] <yorhel> heh, need some1 awake who can help :)
[11:37] <RuffianSoldier> YOUR COMPUTER DESEARVES BETTER!
[11:37] <RuffianSoldier> anywa
[11:37] <RuffianSoldier> whats up?
[11:37] <yorhel> I know, I know...
[11:37] <yorhel> grr, I just followed the tips from the "hear multiple sounds at once" howto @ forum, but now the gnome-panel doesnt load :(
[11:38] <yorhel> I love my chat-history :)
[11:38] <RuffianSoldier> ok
[11:38] <RuffianSoldier> try #gnome :-(
[11:38] <RuffianSoldier> i dont know anything about it :-(
[11:38] <yorhel> hehe...
[11:40] <RuffianSoldier> uhho
[11:40] <sirfred> Morning
[11:40] <RuffianSoldier> that breaded bird carcass is coming backup
[11:40] <RuffianSoldier> hi sirfred
[11:41] <sirfred> Strange thing here on Hoary. I've got installed nautilus-cd-burner that says 'Replaces: nautilus-cd-burner'
[11:41] <sirfred> But I've also nautilus-cd-burner installed.
[11:42] <RuffianSoldier> sirfred - it means you already have an old version
[11:42] <RuffianSoldier> i believe
[11:42] <sirfred> Humm, a little confusing.
[11:42] <RuffianSoldier> you trying to install it?
[11:42] <yorhel> no, just reinstall :)
[11:42] <sirfred> What I've got installed that says that replaces nautilus-cd-burner is libnautilus-burn0
[11:42] <sonnyblack> guys, last night i switched my graphic board from geforce FX 5200 128MB to geforce4 64MB...after that no audio at all...any tip?
[11:42] <sirfred> Is that libnautilus-burn0 supposed to be a improved way to burn CDs on gnome?
[11:43] <RuffianSoldier> sonnyblack ..............
[11:43] <emanuelez> hello *
[11:43] <RuffianSoldier> hi
[11:43] <RuffianSoldier> WHOAH
[11:43] <RuffianSoldier> there awake
[11:43] <RuffianSoldier> ill hit the bong
[11:43] <sirfred> sonnyblack: That's really strange, man.
[11:43] <yorhel> yeay, im still in linux btw :_
[11:43] <emanuelez> i see there's rpm package in the repositories... what is it there for?
[11:44] <RuffianSoldier> HUH!?!??!?1/?!?!] 
[11:44] <RuffianSoldier> NO WAY!
[11:44] <sirfred> sonnyblack: Have you plugged the geforce on the same slot than the audio card, using a hammer?
[11:44] <RuffianSoldier> I DOTN BELIEVE IT EMANUELEZ!
[11:44] <cartman> RuffianSoldier: caps off
[11:44] <sonnyblack> sirfred , i don't think so ... :)
[11:44] <sirfred> emanuelez: For installing RPM packages.
[11:44] <emanuelez> RuffianSoldier: try apt-cache search rpm
[11:44] <sonnyblack> i don't see any relation between the two things...but that is...
[11:45] <sirfred> Description: Red Hat package manager
[11:45] <sirfred>  If you want to install Red Hat Packages then please use the alien
[11:45] <sirfred>  package. Using rpm directly will bypass the Debian packaging system!
[11:45] <cartman> emanuelez: apt-cache show alien
[11:45] <sirfred> emanuelez: It has some interesting utilities, like rpm2cpio
[11:45] <sirfred> emanuelez:Perhaps alien uses it.
[11:46] <RuffianSoldier> OMG! RPM in my system? Ill wipe Ubuntu off the HD tommorow!
[11:46] <RuffianSoldier> jk
[11:46] <sirfred> Depends: debhelper (>= 3), perl (>= 5.6.0-16), rpm (>= 2.4.4-2), dpkg-dev, make, cpio
[11:46] <RuffianSoldier> FC = EVIL
[11:48] <sirfred> Does anybody know any alternative to the nautilus-cd-burner, other than k3b?
[11:48] <sonnyblack> xcdroast ?
[11:48] <sirfred> sonnyblack: Is it using gtk2?
[11:49] <sonnyblack> gnome u mean?
[11:49] <sirfred> sonnyblack: No, it isn't
[11:49] <sirfred> sonnyblack: I mean gtk2, the same toolkit used by gnome, yes.
[11:49] <sirfred> sonnyblack: I've seen it's using gtk1.2
[11:49] <RuffianSoldier> sirfred - whats wrong with k3b? Anyway - theres a real nice console one
[11:50] <sonnyblack> it's weird..no error msg anyway...just no audio at all
[11:50] <sirfred> RuffianSoldier: Well, it looks like an alien app on a gnome system.
[11:50] <sirfred> RuffianSoldier: It doesn't support my UTF-8 filenames.
[11:50] <RuffianSoldier> :(
[11:50] <RuffianSoldier> im going to cry
[11:50] <RuffianSoldier> :'(
[11:51] <sirfred> sonnyblack: Humm, what about opening alsamixer on a console?
[11:51] <sonnyblack> did it
[11:51] <sonnyblack> looks like all ok
[11:51] <sirfred> sonnyblack: So, is your card detected?
[11:51] <sirfred> sonnyblack: Do you have any MM on the main controls?
[11:51] <Nabiki> I just installed Ubuntu, and have not set up the network yet so I am not currently in Linux... My question, is how do I tell it to mount an NTFS drive? ^^
[11:51] <sirfred> sonnyblack: Be sure they're not muted.
[11:52] <sirfred> At least Master and PCM
[11:53] <sonnyblack> sirfred, , no i solved it out, thx...it was even simpler...damn >:|
[11:54] <sirfred> sonnyblack:Plugged in the loudspeakers?
[11:54] <sirfred> sonnyblack: :)
[11:55] <sonnyblack> lol
[11:55] <sonnyblack> thx anyway
[11:55] <sonnyblack> :)
[11:56] <emanuelez> what's cpio?
[11:56] <sirfred> emanuelez: Something like tar.
[11:56] <sirfred> emanuelez: I think it's not very used nowadays.
[11:56] <emanuelez> sirfred: i see... thx
[12:00] <Shimonn> hi, my network config failed during the install
[12:00] <Shimonn> i think the module wasn't loaded
[12:01] <sonnyblack> guys what will be the major changes in hoary?
[12:01] <Shimonn> i loaded it (modprobe tulip) and now, to to re-setup eth0 ?
[12:01] <Shimonn> s/to to/how to
[12:05] <lupusBE> sonnyblack: see on the wiki
[12:05] <sirfred> sonnyblack: I'm using hoary now.
[12:05] <sirfred> sonnyblack: It's synced with the new version of gnome, so I suppose the improvements are related.
[12:06] <lupusBE> I think the most important once are: beter international support and X.org
[12:06] <sirfred> sonnyblack: I expect the multimedia stuff to improve.
[12:06] <sirfred> I'm feeling x.org slower than xfree, to say the truth.
[12:06] <lupusBE> I'll guess they will tweak it :)
[12:07] <lupusBE> sonnyblack: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals
[12:09] <ikaro> morning everyone.
[12:10] <Nabiki> Is anyone here dual booting with XP?
[12:10] <lupusBE> yes
[12:10] <Nabiki> :P How do I mount an NTFS drive? :)
[12:11] <yorhel> Nabiki: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/[some_dir] 
[12:11] <dud> you seduse it with flowers
[12:11] <yorhel> Nabiki: I'm a dual-booter :)
[12:12] <Nabiki> Thanks! :-)
[12:12] <yorhel> and I'm pretty mad @ ubuntu now, so I think I'm going to reboot to windows soon...grrr
[12:13] <Nabiki> Does it have to be in /mnt? ^^
[12:13] <josh0710> hi everyone
[12:13] <yorhel> Nabiki: nope, can be everywhere
[12:13] <Nabiki> Why are you mad at ubuntu? ^_^
[12:13] <josh0710> can anyone help me with the location of the ubuntu kernel c header files?
[12:13] <yorhel> Can't get my sound working, and the gnome-panel just broke :@
[12:14] <Shimonn> where to choose the module to use for eth0 ?
[12:14] <josh0710> ?
[12:15] <Shimonn> my network doesn't work
[12:15] <Nabiki> O.o Somehow my system just worked when it came to the sound. ^^
[12:15] <Nabiki> What options would I need to use to place an NTFS file system in fstab? :)(
[12:16] <Shimonn> my ethernet card works with the "tulip" module, and it seems the auto-detection failed
[12:28] <Arnald> is there a dvb howto for ubuntu?
[12:30] <santanu> join
[12:31] <santanu> oops
[12:32] <santanu> hello, i tried to use the ubuntu archive for universe packages, but it seems too slow. Where can I find the mirrors to use.
[12:32] <santanu> D
[12:33] <Arnald> I've never seen such a poorly documented linux feature as dvb ;(
[12:33] <santanu> IIRC, debian has something called netselect or similar to select the mirrors to use
[12:33] <Arnald> I'm so experienced in Linux it's just embarrassing ;)
[12:33] <Nabiki> bbl
[12:35] <Arc> guess what - realtek has 2.4 kernel drivers for the linksys wpc11 ver 4 cards
[12:35] <Arc> can ubuntu run on a 2.4 kernel?
[12:37] <lupusBE> warty can I think
[12:37] <lupusBE> but hoary not
[12:37] <lupusBE> if I'm not mistaking
[12:37] <lupusBE> but hald and udev will not work anymore
[12:39] <Arc> whats udev?
[12:39] <Arc> and hald?
[12:39] <Arc> hell i cant even get removable usb media to work
[12:39] <Arc> im so frustrated - ive spent the night is FSF/GNU email hell
[12:40] <Arc> it's gotten to the point that I finally just sent an email to RMS asking for help
[12:44] <nessmuk> I moved my hds from an AT to an ATX mobo. Do I need to reinstall Ubuntu
[12:44] <nessmuk> to have it recognize the drives and the built in items....sound card, NIC, usb?
[12:49] <Arc> hmm
[12:58] <zerok> hm.... i can read euro-signs in gaim but am not able to enter them anywhere :S
[12:58] <e-Jah> it miss one thing in ubuntu (and debian) multisync ^^
[01:00] <murtaza> i need to configure mail mairge option in open office word processor
[01:00] <e-Jah> ok, i shut up, his name is synce-multisync
[01:08] <Shimonn> dsl
[01:09] <Shimonn> pb de connection, tu viens de dire quoi ?
[01:11] <zerok> anybody else having problems with the euro sign on hoary?
[01:12] <cartman> zerok nope
[01:12] <zerok> :-(
[01:13] <zerok> cartman, sidequestion: how have you enabled the altgr button? ;-)
[01:13] <cartman> enable?
[01:13] <cartman> I just set locale to tr_TR.UTF-8
[01:13] <lifeless> daniels: around?
[01:14] <zerok> cartman, so that it works :-) by default it only was an alt for me :S
[01:17] <cartman> zerok works here
[01:21] <zerok> cartman, :-(
[01:21] <zerok> i now set the locales to de_DE utf8 euro. let's see if this works out after the next x restart *G*
[01:23] <cartman> zerok dont use @euro
[01:25] <uncola> Hallo
[01:28] <zerok> cartman, well, i didn't use it before so I thought it would be worth a try :-)
[01:28] <Arc> can anyone help me get removable media working?
[01:28] <cartman> no @euro knowns to break some apps
[01:28] <cartman> and its not needed
[01:29] <Arc> the usb flash drive isnt automounting
[01:29] <zerok> ah, ok
[01:29] <cartman> zerok dpkg-reconfigure locales
[01:29] <arktik> morning all
[01:29] <cartman> and select de_DE.UTF-8
[01:30] <zerok> arghh i also select the wrong and hit enter *g*
[01:31] <cartman> it will ask you the default anyway
[01:31] <cartman> don't worry
[01:31] <zerok> i know :-) worked with debian for about 1.5 years :-)
[01:33] <Arc> wow installing ubuntu was a real mistake.
[01:33] <Arc> one she'll have to live with :-(
[01:34] <uncola> why a mistake?
[01:34] <Arc> i could have fixed all these problems with gentoo by now - but now ive stayed up all night fixing it and it's still not working
[01:35] <Arc> because it, like mandrake and all the other easy-to-use distros, is incomplete and difficult to fix
[01:35] <Arc> i have a missing driver, which is supported under linux, but nope - it wont support it
[01:35] <Arc> or atleast if i can, nobody knows it
[01:36] <Arc> and this usb thing isnt working at all
[01:36] <nevyn> Arc: a missing supported driver?
[01:36] <davyd> Arc: what USB thing?
[01:36] <nevyn> that's odd.
[01:37] <Arc> usb removable media doesnt work. its not mounting, its not doing anything
[01:37] <Arc> nevyn: realtek wifi cards - ie, linksys wpc11 rev 4
[01:37] <Arc> it doesnt even support the sound card
[01:38] <nevyn> umm realtek wifi cards arn't supported by linux.
[01:38] <Arc> they are by realtek.
[01:38] <nevyn> 8189ish things.
[01:38] <nevyn> that's a liability.
[01:39] <Arc> they're supported, people use them, they work
[01:39] <Arc> need a 2.4 kernel, but nobody seems to know how I get that configured for ubutnu
[01:39] <HcE> you'll have to use ndiswrapper with the realtek wifi cards?
[01:39] <davyd> Arc: you won't be able to use 2.4 with ubuntu
[01:39] <nevyn> you could do that.
[01:39] <davyd> it's too dependant on 2.6 features I imagine
[01:39] <nevyn> use the windows driver with ndis wrapper.
[01:39] <Arc> no, realtek has real drivers.
[01:40] <HcE> linux 2.6 + ndiswrapper works for my mate using Ubuntu
[01:40] <Arc> HcE: it has to be automatic, ndiswrapper isnt
[01:40] <HcE> ok
[01:40] <Arc> look
[01:40] <Arc> http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloads1-3.aspx?Keyword=8180
[01:40] <Arc> linux. 2.4 kernel.
[01:40] <Arc> realtek 8180L
[01:41] <nevyn> windows drivers with ndis > bodgy halfassed binary kernel modules.
[01:41] <nevyn> god I hate binary drivers.
[01:41] <zerok> damn typos *g*
[01:41] <nevyn> pain. suffering.
[01:41] <Arc> but they are there.
[01:41] <nevyn> but they're halfassed and when they break you can't fix them
[01:41] <davyd> Arc: ubuntu won't support 2.4, it's just not doable
[01:41] <Arc> yes, you're right, but nobody has written free ones yet.
[01:41] <davyd> so you'll have to find another solution
[01:42] <Arc> gentoo.
[01:42] <Kamion> warty supports 2.4, just about
[01:42] <Arc> my reason for using ubuntu is it was suppost to do proper supermount on all devices
[01:42] <davyd> Kamion: as long as you don't want anything requiring HAL ?
[01:42] <Arc> it was suppost to take usb mass storage devices and do all the user stuff automatically
[01:42] <Arc> but it's not. \
[01:42] <cartman> Arc: ubuntu doesn't use supermount
[01:43] <cartman> it uses dbus+hal+Gnome frontends
[01:43] <Arc> well whatever it uses, its not running right
[01:44] <pythonist> identify tspqrlm0
[01:44] <HcE> hehe
[01:44] <cartman> uhm
[01:44] <Arc> acronimn for teaspoon queen raccoon limping mostly #0
[01:45] <Arc> ok i simply need sleep
[01:45] <Arc> this has completely taken too long and simply isnt going to be finished.
[01:46] <ACIDnet> i have a windows printed shared, how do i use it under linux??
[01:47] <Kamion> davyd: sure
[01:47] <ACIDnet> and how can i login to a windows share under a different username/password without mounting it???
[01:48] <Pozac> ACIDnet, go to Network -> Add Network Server - you can choose username/domain/pw there
[01:56] <ACIDnet> can only see connect to server and doesnt give pwd option
[01:57] <Pozac> hmm
[01:59] <davyd> ACIDnet: the password should be asked for when it's decided it's required
[01:59] <davyd> ACIDnet: there are lots of ways to auth to a windows share
[01:59] <davyd> and relatively few of them require a password
[02:00] <Pozac> What if guest is allowed and he wants to use a user?
[02:01] <lkerscher> has someone installed the epson stylus cx3200 on ubuntu?
[02:02] <thoreauputic> Happy New Year from Australia
[02:02] <davyd> thoreauputic: your part perhapst ;)
[02:02] <thoreauputic> Sat Jan  1 00:02:54 EST 2005
[02:02] <Pozac> Happy New Year, Australia :)
[02:03] <davyd> Fri Dec 31 21:03:03 WST 2004
[02:03] <nevyn> hrm
[02:03] <nevyn> happy new year all
[02:03] <darren> Can anyone help with a firefox/security/ssl problem?
[02:04] <Pozac> darren, sure :)
[02:04] <darren> I can't access Gmail and a few other sites because it says that SSL is disabled
[02:05] <darren> I've checked firefox settings and it has SSL ticked
[02:05] <darren> Do you want the screenshot with the exact message?
[02:06] <Pozac> darren, do you have SSL 2.0, SSl 3.0 and TLS 1.0 enabled?
[02:06] <darren> I think so. I did a fresh install of Ubuntu this morning
[02:06] <darren> It's always worked before
[02:06] <Pozac> hmm
[02:06] <Pozac> odd
[02:09] <Devmathan> Hola
[02:10] <Pozac> darren, I don't get it. It really should work...
[02:10] <Pozac> hi Devmathan
[02:11] <darren> The message says something about the user profile and check read.write access
[02:11] <Pozac> did you wipe your home directory?
[02:12] <Pozac> if you didn't, guess you'll need to change ownership to your new user or something
[02:12] <ACIDnet> smb://administrator@\\windows\ <- is that night??
[02:12] <Pozac> ACIDnet, uses slashes '/'
[02:13] <Pozac> ACIDnet, smb://administrator@//windows/
[02:13] <Pozac> not sure that the @ thing works tho
[02:14] <da_bon_bon> anir: hiya. go on
[02:14] <anir> hey guys
[02:14] <anir> how are you all
[02:14] <anir> how do i make a shortcut to firefox in my applications bar??
[02:14] <Pozac> Right click the shortcut in applications -> Add to panel
[02:15] <anir> pozac : i tried that but there is  no firefox option
[02:16] <Pozac> anir, hmm deleted it?
[02:16] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: he installed 1.0 after removing 0.93
[02:16] <anir> pozac: delete what?
[02:16] <Pozac> wait
[02:16] <Pozac> didn't I tell you to use backports?
[02:16] <anir> nope
[02:16] <Pozac> hmm
[02:17] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: u told me not anir :)
[02:18] <Pozac> anir, if you installed firefox through http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu , it will add its own shortcut
[02:18] <anir> i have downloaded from mozilla.com
[02:18] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, and you didn't tell him? :~(
[02:18] <Pozac> anir, guess either that or right click panel, add shortcut and fill in the values
[02:19] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: he asked me today and i knew ::
[02:19] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: i am FC3 and hence cant help him :(
[02:19] <Pozac> hmm
[02:21] <anir> where i will get blackdown-j2re1.4?? in the synaptic there is blackdown-j2re1.4.debian but when i try to install it i says blackdown-j2re1.4 is needed
[02:22] <anir> i need to install j2re1.4
[02:22] <da_bon_bon> anir: why not get java 1.5.0 ?
[02:22] <Pozac> anir, use the Cerkinfo repository from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[02:23] <anir> what is the distribution and section??
[02:23] <ogra> anir: why dont you take the j2re1.5 ? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[02:23] <anir> da_bon_bon: where i will get it??
[02:24] <Pozac> ehm
[02:24] <Pozac> why 1.5?
[02:24] <ogra> anir: in the wiki there is a repo with ubuntu java packages for 1.5
[02:24] <ogra> anir: 1.4 as well if you urgently want it
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> anir: ^^^ and also check out ubuntuguide.org
[02:26] <ogra> anir: for both versions a jre and jdk as you need.....(installs the plugin automatically and sets up your environment for you)
[02:26] <da_bon_bon> anir: if u aint a programmer get jre else get jdk
[02:27] <ogra> da_bon_bon: some progs require jdk....(blame the authors)
[02:27] <anir> i need to add repository???
[02:27] <ogra> anir: its the easiest way...
[02:27] <anir> yea i work in c and C++ as well as Visual
[02:27] <ogra> anir: its described in the wiki page
[02:29] <da_bon_bon> anir: no visual in linux ::
[02:30] <anir> da-bon_bon:  i know
[02:30] <anir> da_bon_bon: i have already downloaded java from java.com
[02:31] <da_bon_bon> anir: do u type out everyones nick names ?
[02:31] <anir> yes
[02:32] <da_bon_bon> anir: type the first 3 - 4 letter of the nick and press tab
[02:32] <anir> da_bon_bon cool
[02:33] <da_bon_bon> isnt it
[02:33] <da_bon_bon> u use xchat ?
[02:34] <anir> da_bon_bon, yes i am using xchat
[02:35] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: why ctcp ing me ?
[02:35] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, there's a 2.4.1 out nowadays
[02:35] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, try /ctcp Pozac version
[02:36] <Saltacharcos> buenas... me se lee?
[02:36] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: i have limited downloads - only 100mb per month - so i refrain from updating :)
[02:37] <anir> okay what happened to my firefox issue?? :)
[02:37] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, 100mb is NOT much
[02:38] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: 100 mb is uselles - i usually do 150 mb per day :)
[02:38] <da_bon_bon> guys help anir
[02:38] <Pozac> 100mb is what I IRC per month
[02:38] <Pozac> anir, make the link yourself or install from the backports from the link I pasted
[02:39] <anir> how much MB do u use per month Pozac
[02:39] <Pozac> hehe
[02:39] <Pozac> My ISP doesn't count
[02:39] <Pozac> neither do I
[02:39] <anir> oh cool
[02:39] <anir> i am looking for a bettrr isp
[02:40] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: gimme some of ur connectivity ??
[02:40] <da_bon_bon> :)
[02:41] <netmonk> is there a list of some pcmcia cards that work with Ubuntu?
[02:41] <netmonk> ane where is it? ;)
[02:41] <da_bon_bon> hey, is firfox better opr opera ?
[02:42] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, Not untill I get gigabit :)
[02:42] <anir> guys the file j2re1.4.2_05 is there in my system .. does it mean java is installed in my system??
[02:43] <da_bon_bon> anir: no
[02:43] <etorix> no
[02:45] <anir> da_bon_bon, what that file is??
[02:45] <namaste> hi, is there a tool to burn cds installed per default?
[02:45] <da_bon_bon> anir: tell me the extension
[02:45] <Pozac> namaste, yeah, open up a File manager window, and select CD Burner from the Places menu
[02:46] <anir> in that folder lots of files are there da_bon_bon
[02:46] <da_bon_bon> ok
[02:46] <da_bon_bon> is there a README file ?
[02:46] <da_bon_bon> hey guys, tell me what the hell is this - http://www.firefoxie.net/makeyourownsoftware.html
[02:47] <anir> yes da_bon_bon
[02:47] <da_bon_bon> anir: read it. it has installation instructions
[02:48] <namaste> Pozac, awesome, thanks!
[02:48] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, that is one mighty long webpage
[02:48] <anir> da_bon_bon, its nothing but some marketing
[02:49] <da_bon_bon> namaste: hi. i will bet u r a indian
[02:49] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: lol :D
[02:49] <namaste> da_bon_bon, nope, german :)
[02:49] <anir> da_bon_bon, : bad luck:)
[02:50] <da_bon_bon> namaste: oh, ur nick is indian so :)
[02:50] <namaste> da_bon_bon, yeah it is
[02:50] <etorix> anir .. installing java on a debian-type system isnt straightforward .. read up: youve been told where to get jave from for ubuntu
[02:50] <anir> i cant write sw in 30 mins.. it takes atleast 30 hrs..
[02:50] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, is da_bon_bon indian? :)
[02:50] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: i am.
[02:51] <anir> yes i am  doing that etorix
[02:51] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, I meant the nick :)
[02:51] <namaste> da_bon_bon, oh.. the actual owner of this nick just told me that it's nepali and means "hello" or something
[02:51] <anir> namaste, it is also indian
[02:51] <Pozac> actually, it's Indian for 'cunt'
[02:51] <da_bon_bon> namaste: yes, namaste means hello
[02:51] <Pozac> hehe
[02:51] <namaste> lol
[02:51] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: whats indian for cunt ?
[02:51] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, my bad humour :)
[02:52] <anir> da_bon_bon, he is telling that namaste meands cunt
[02:52] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: indian for cunt is "chut"
[02:52] <Pozac> ;)
[02:53] <anir> da_bon_bon, : what is goin on..lol
[02:53] <da_bon_bon> ya !!
[02:54] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: u want more words, pm me :D joking, dont let my mom hear that her 16 yr old boy is teaching ppl bad words, when he himself is not supposed to know them
[02:54] <Pozac> lol :)
[02:54] <da_bon_bon> :)
[02:56] <anir> how will i open the C compiler?? is C and C++ compilers same??
[02:56] <da_bon_bon> anir: gcc
[02:56] <namaste> gcc does both, c and c++
[02:56] <da_bon_bon> yes
[02:57] <reinhard> hi all
[02:57] <anir> says no input file.. means i have to download?? da_bon_bon
[02:57] <sjoerd> note that gcc is botht he name of the compiler collection and the C compiler though :)
[02:57] <Pozac> anir, gcc is just a compiler - nothing visual
[02:57] <anir> oh..
[02:57] <namaste> you may read the manpage before .. the syntax is gcc [parameters]  <input-file>, which is normally a .c or c++ file
[02:57] <Pozac> anir, gcc -o file file.c
[02:57] <namaste> right
[02:58] <reinhard> does anybody here use jigit to download the cd images?
[02:58] <namaste> -o means output file
[02:58] <da_bon_bon> anir: gcc myproggie.c -o thenameuwantinexe
[02:58] <anir> so where i will type my codes?? Pozac
[02:58] <Pozac> anir, use a program like anjuta
[02:58] <anir> anjuta??
[02:58] <da_bon_bon> kdevelop rocks
[02:58] <Pozac> or vi
[02:58] <namaste> anir, try vim, emacs or even mcedit.
[02:58] <Pozac> og emacs
[02:58] <Pozac> hehe
[02:59] <anir> oh so many
[02:59] <namaste> it always takes some time until you've found your favourite editor
[02:59] <namaste> doesn't mean you have to use all of them of course.
[03:00] <Pozac> anir, do you want something graphical or something that works in text mode?
[03:00] <anir> hee hee i dont have the wish to try all of them
[03:01] <huttan> When I try to start eog I it crashes and gives me this error:   ** (eog:7360): CRITICAL **: file pango-color.c: line 952 (pango_color_parse): assertion `spec != NULL' failed
[03:01] <anir> is there anything that supports both Pozac
[03:01] <huttan> Anyone has an idea?
[03:01] <etorix> vim, emacs or even mcedit.  are editors .. anjuta is a IDE
[03:01] <namaste> but i guess anjuta has an editor aswell
[03:01] <nevyn> scite
[03:02] <sjoerd> etorix: calling emacs (or even vim) an editor is quite an understatement..
[03:02] <namaste> doesn't it?
[03:02] <Pozac> anir, emacs supports *everything*
[03:02] <namaste> rofl
[03:02] <etorix> heh
[03:02] <nevyn> is nice if you're a windows escapee.
[03:02] <etorix> emacs is like an OS on its own
[03:02] <nevyn> yep.
[03:02] <Pozac> I'm off to celebrate new years
[03:02] <etorix> it even has a psychiatrist
[03:02] <namaste> have fun Pozac
[03:02] <Pozac> Happy New Years, all
[03:02] <Pozac> you too namaste :)
[03:03] <nevyn> Pozac: it's 1am on the 1st so. it's sortof winding down.
[03:03] <nevyn> ;)
[03:03] <sjoerd> gedit works fine too for simple coding btw
[03:03] <anir> hey guys
[03:03] <anir> HAPPY NEW YEAR
[03:03] <Pozac> nevyn, I've still got 9 hours before the 1st
[03:03] <namaste> nevyn, umm.. it's new years eve and you're sitting in front of your pc?
[03:03] <nevyn> namaste: yeah quiet nite I went out earlier.
[03:04] <Pozac> It's also summer there
[03:04] <anir> where are you from nevyn
[03:04] <nevyn> australia.
[03:04] <nevyn> it was also stinking hot.
[03:04] <anir> thats why..
[03:04] <nevyn> 30+ degree day
[03:04] <namaste> it's kinda raining here
[03:04] <nevyn> crowding with a million people into the CBD didn't sound like fun
[03:04] <anir> its a nice cold evening here in Bangalore
[03:04] <Pozac> Opposite-land, as Homer likes to call it.
[03:05] <anir> Pozac, u r from US??
[03:05] <Pozac> anir, Denmark
[03:05] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: cool
[03:05] <anir> Pozac, : wow thats a beautiful land
[03:06] <Pozac> anir, thanks :)
[03:06] <anir> i like the beautiful girls of denmark ...lol Pozac
[03:06] <anir> u r welcome
[03:06] <Pozac> Katja Kean perhaps? :)
[03:06] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: whose that ?
[03:06] <Buzzz> hmm. if I want to share files with my mac or linux desktop should I use nfs or samba?
[03:06] <nevyn> umm
[03:07] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, One of our only international female porn stars :)
[03:07] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: seen kareena kapoor ?
[03:07] <Pozac> and she has quit the business :(
[03:07] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, no? should I?
[03:08] <da_bon_bon> she is damn sexy
[03:08] <anir> da_bon_bon,  u need a wallpaper of kareena??
[03:08] <da_bon_bon> anir: yes. i have some tho.
[03:08] <Pozac> Very nice
[03:08] <anir> i guess more than i can give u ..lol da_bon_bon
[03:09] <da_bon_bon> anir: give
[03:09] <lkerscher> hmkay
[03:09] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: http://www.santabanta.com/wallpapers/category.asp?catname=kareena%20kapoor
[03:09] <anir> i guess u have more collection than i can give u ..lol da_bon_bon
[03:09] <lkerscher> i can't install my printer
[03:09] <lkerscher> its e epson stylus cx3200
[03:10] <da_bon_bon> anir: give anyway
[03:10] <anir> okay
[03:10] <Smeven> i am trying to get gdm fixed
[03:10] <Smeven> it doesnt start up correctly
[03:11] <da_bon_bon> anir: email me .
[03:11] <Smeven> it complains of display 0 already being used
[03:11] <Pozac> da_bon_bon, Very nice :) I'm going to keep my ubuntu calendar, though :)
[03:11] <wezzer-> Smeven: I had exactly same problem!
[03:11] <adroit> Hello there
[03:11] <Smeven> so i have to stop gdm, kill x and just do startx from the command prompt
[03:11] <Smeven> wezzer-: what is the fix?
[03:11] <da_bon_bon> Pozac: meaning? pardon, i  didnt get the joke
[03:11] <adroit> somebody have a 3dfx video card with ubuntu???
[03:11] <wezzer-> Smeven: unfoturnately I didn't get it solved and had to reinstall whole ubuntu... :(
[03:11] <wezzer-> but uninstalling GDM helps
[03:11] <Smeven> if i reinstall i am putting gentoo on :)
[03:12] <da_bon_bon> bye guys
[03:12] <wezzer-> after uninstalling gdm it starts with text login and you have to type startx
[03:12] <adroit> 3dfx????
[03:13] <Smeven> brb
[03:13] <adroit> nobody have a 3dfx??
[03:15] <Varg> how come Ubuntu only starts esd every once in a while?
[03:16] <adroit> varg: Did you read the post in the ubuntuforums??
[03:17] <Varg> *the* post? I googled, but didn't come across anything else but "Ubuntu uses esound"
[03:17] <adroit> varg: www.ubuntuforums.org
[03:18] <adroit> varg: then you go to faq&howto section
[03:18] <Smeven> ack
[03:18] <Smeven> thing is broken  to pieces
[03:21] <Varg> adroit: the multimedia howto doesn't answer my question
[03:21] <Varg> adroit: as it is, rhythmbox doesn't even beep :)
[03:22] <Varg> adroit: and that is supposedly due to no esd running in my session
[03:23] <lemsx1> Varg, for rhythmbox you need the proper gstreamer* packages installed
[03:23] <lemsx1> Varg, and then choose from Media Selector under the Advanced preferences
[03:24] <lemsx1> Varg, close rhythmbox and reopen after choosing the right media out
[03:25] <Varg> lemsx1, advanced preferences? Where do I find these? Gnome does things a little ... um... differently :)
[03:27] <adroit> varg: search the post tittle hear multiple sounds
[03:28] <Varg> sheesh ... wasn't Ubuntu supposed to work a bit more out of the box than Debian experimental? :-)) Anyway, thanks for the hint
[03:29] <lemsx1> Varg, Applications->Desktop Preferences->Advanced
[03:29] <lemsx1> Varg, to install all the gstreamer stuff you need: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-*
[03:30] <lemsx1> Varg, after that you will have a nice set of gstreamer plugins and sink's
[03:31] <Varg> lemsx1, I have a menu called "Computer" with "Desktop Preferences" and no "Advanced" or for that matter its german equivalent
[03:31] <Varg> can I just edit the gconf database?
[03:31] <lemsx1> Varg, yes you can
[03:31] <lemsx1> Varg, let me find you the key
[03:32] <lemsx1> Varg, /system/gstreamer/0.8/default
[03:33] <lemsx1> Varg, audiosink -> esdsink  ... audiosrc -> esdmon ... videosink-> xvimagesink ... videosrc-> v4lsrc ... visualization->goom
[03:33] <Varg> lemsx1, ok, so I have the option to a) use alsasink or b) try to get esd to start automatically each session, right?
[03:33] <lemsx1> Varg, those are my settings
[03:33] <lemsx1> Varg, pretty much. but, i'd just get esd to start automatically and set all my apps to use esd
[03:33] <lemsx1> Varg, then set the esd daemon to kill itself after 3 seconds of no use ;-)
[03:34] <Varg> ok, how do I accomplish that? Esd not running was my problem in the first place ...
[03:34] <lemsx1> Varg, $> cat /etc/esound/esd.conf
[03:34] <lemsx1> [esd] 
[03:34] <lemsx1> auto_spawn=0
[03:34] <lemsx1> spawn_options=-terminate -nobeeps -as 3
[03:34] <lemsx1> spawn_wait_ms=100
[03:34] <lemsx1> # default options are used in spawned and non-spawned mode
[03:34] <lemsx1> default_options=
[03:34] <lemsx1> Varg, from the command line type: esd
[03:35] <lemsx1> Varg, if that works, then go to the Sound control panel (wherever it is, under preferences) and make sure that Start Sound ... is set
[03:35] <Varg> why auto_spawn=0 ? Mine is set to 1 by default ...
[03:35] <lemsx1> Varg, that's your problem
[03:35] <lemsx1> Varg, having that stuff to auto causes problems
[03:36] <Varg> ahh, ok! known issue or should a bug be filed?
[03:36] <lemsx1> Varg, known "feature"
[03:37] <Varg> ok, as long as it's known ... ;-)) Thanks for your help!
[03:37] <lemsx1> Varg, that's the spirit
[03:38] <Buzzz> hmm how do I aoutomount a smb share in ubuntu?
[03:38] <Buzzz> automount
[03:39] <lemsx1> Buzzz, install autofs
[03:39] <lemsx1> Buzzz, write a /etc/auto.filename file for you
[03:39] <lemsx1> Buzzz, add a line in /etc/auto.master to get things from that new file
[03:39] <lemsx1> Buzzz, and restarter autofs
[03:39] <lemsx1> Buzzz, the line should read (use cifs and not smbfs):
[03:39] <nad> hi, how do i get mplayer ?
[03:39] <Buzzz> lemsx1, oki..thanks should lookup autofs then
[03:40] <Buzzz> nad, ftp.nerim.net
[03:40] <lemsx1> Buzzz, sharename -fstype=cifs,credentials=/home/username/.credentials.txt,rw server:/sharename
[03:41] <MyKe3> hello i have a problem to connect my Ubuntu to the insternet
[03:41] <lemsx1> Buzzz, ah, not server:/share but ://server/share
[03:41] <lemsx1> Buzzz, sorry
[03:41] <nad> what about the kernel-headers package ?? whgy cant i get kernel-headers-2.6.9 ??
[03:41] <nad> buzz .. thnx
[03:42] <lemsx1> nad, get the source from kernel.org and use make-kpkg to roll your own 2.6.10 kernel. simple stuff to setup. install gcc and ccache
[03:42] <MyKe3> i  checked my netconfigurtion and evry thingy looks fine i don't know y itz not connection ...
[03:42] <Buzzz> lemsx1, hmm.. autofs doesn't show up in synaptic..
[03:43] <lemsx1> nad, i usually compile new kernels and put it in my debian-embelisher project: http://www.latinomixed.com/downloads/debian-embelisher check the "deb" directory
[03:43] <nad> lemsx1, thnx
[03:43] <MyKe3> anouther thingy i got dissconnected when i tryed to insert the gatway to the network prop. ( i m connecting to ADSK though router )
[03:43] <lemsx1> Buzzz, weird...
[03:44] <Buzzz> lemsx1, could it be missing from hoary?
[03:45] <lemsx1> Buzzz, try browsing the rep with a regular browser (or use apt-cache from the command line: apt-cache search autofs)
[03:45] <lemsx1> Buzzz, hoary is the new one right? get autofs from the old package (or directly from debian)
[03:45] <lemsx1> Buzzz, it should be the same stuff
[03:46] <MyKe3> =\
[03:46] <Buzzz> lemsx1, have to try that..
[03:47] <lemsx1> MyKe3, you are talking about ADSL with pppoe (rp-pppoe)?
[03:47] <Varg> lemsx1, next problem: esd runs now, rhythmbox plays but the sound sucksssssssssssssssssssss
[03:47] <lemsx1> Buzzz, ubuntu is a nice way to get Debian installed... once Debian is in place, go to Sarge rep and never install gnome-* packages :-)
[03:47] <lemsx1> Varg, you have dma problems
[03:48] <MyKe3> lemsx1 no i m connecting to ADSL though router
[03:48] <lemsx1> Varg, make sure that udma is properly set, for your hard drives and everything that uses it
[03:48] <lemsx1> MyKe3, then the router (linksys?) connects to an ADSL modem for you and you connect to the router?
[03:48] <Varg> ok, thanks for the hint!
[03:49] <MyKe3> lemsx1 thats right =)
[03:49] <lemsx1> MyKe3, if that's the case, then you don't need to worry about the ADSL stuff here, all your problems are from before the router
[03:49] <MyKe3> lemsx1 i tryed to make a new connction but i don't have add connection on the network window
[03:50] <lemsx1> MyKe3, or the router and the way the modem (ADSL) accepts MTU settings... lowering the mtu to 1452 usually helps with adsl from verizon
[03:50] <MyKe3> lemsx1 yeah i know that
[03:50] <lemsx1> MyKe3, from you to the router, the mtu doesn't matter, it should stay at 1500, but from the router to your adsl provider, usually that matters
[03:51] <MyKe3> lemsx1 no the router works just fine ... it the connetion to the router thats fXcked up
[03:51] <lemsx1> MyKe3, unless you use a good ISP of course :-D
[03:51] <lemsx1> MyKe3, what do you mean by "f- up"? DHCP works and you can ping the router?
[03:52] <MyKe3> i don't use dhcp but i can ping the router
[03:52] <lemsx1> MyKe3, can you ping pass the router? like pinging Google.com (ip: 216.239.57.99)
[03:52] <MyKe3> no
[03:52] <MyKe3> i can't
[03:53] <lemsx1> MyKe3, if you can ping the router but not pass the router, then your mtu might need to be set from the router to the ADSL modem (WAN)
[03:53] <lemsx1> MyKe3, lower that value to 1452
[03:53] <MyKe3> i think that makeing a new connction could solve the problem i just dont' know how to make one...
[03:54] <MyKe3> i m useing hoary ... if it help...
[03:54] <lemsx1> MyKe3, to connect from the router to ADSL? if it's properly setup, simply turning off the aDSL modem (for 2 full minutes) and unplugging your router for 3 or so minute, will properly reset the connection
[03:54] <lemsx1> MyKe3, you need to try using a different computer to make sure that it's not your computer (like the network card and drivers) that is messed up
[03:55] <lemsx1> MyKe3, test it with a Mac (they always work fine)
[03:55] <lemsx1> MyKe3, :-)
[03:55] <MyKe3> no the router wworks just fine
[03:55] <MyKe3> i now talking from anouther OS from the same connction
[03:55] <MyKe3> from the same machine
[03:56] <lemsx1> MyKe3, or use a good network card: 3com, linksys (not smc, realtek or other crappy ones, like those embeded in your mobo)
[03:56] <MyKe3> i dont' have problems with my networkcard
[03:56] <lemsx1> MyKe3, it could be a hardware issue in that machine, you need to use a different one or do the resetting of the connection as i said before
[03:56] <lemsx1> MyKe3, how do you know that for sure?
[03:56] <MyKe3> i m telling ya its the connction setup
[03:57] <sobralense> if I wanna upgrade/dist-upgrade warty to hoary ... What repository list I need?
[03:57] <MyKe3> i m useing the same machien with windows and its work
[03:57] <sobralense> just changing the name , will work?
[03:57] <lemsx1> MyKe3, I've seen weird issues with network cards that allow flashable MAC addresses to happen. the mac will show as 00:00:00... for NO reason
[03:57] <MyKe3> on my mandrake it works as well ( they r all on the same machine this one)
[03:58] <lemsx1> MyKe3, ah, that's a different story then... try using: netstat -nr
[03:58] <lemsx1> MyKe3, see if your route table is correct
[03:59] <MyKe3> how can i make a new connection on ubuntu ?
[03:59] <lemsx1> MyKe3, then try using mii-tool and see if your ethernet is setup correctly
[03:59] <MyKe3> lemsx1 done it the router works fine
[03:59] <lemsx1> MyKe3, you don't need to "make a connection"
[03:59] <MyKe3> i can't find a problem with it
[03:59] <lemsx1> MyKe3, if you give an IP in /etc/networking/interfaces
[04:00] <lemsx1> MyKe3, and gateway IP is the right thing... plus network, netmask and broadcast
[04:00] <lemsx1> MyKe3, Gnome has a nice front-end for those settings so you don't have to do it by hand
[04:00] <MyKe3> okay i will try to set it up
[04:00] <lemsx1> MyKe3, install gnome-system-tools
[04:00] <lemsx1> MyKe3, the command is: sudo network-admin
[04:01] <MyKe3> i can't install it cuse i dont have connction to the ner
[04:01] <MyKe3> net/*
[04:01] <lemsx1> MyKe3, you don't have CD's?
[04:01] <MyKe3> lemsx1 yeah i have sudo network-admin and i didn't had any option to configure my gatway
[04:02] <miausX> hi! =)
[04:02] <MyKe3> allso evry time i tryed to change some thingy there it didn't saved it
[04:02] <MyKe3> miausX hello =)
[04:02] <miausX> hello MyKe3! merry xmas! :D
[04:03] <Verr> Hi all ubuntu mates :)
[04:04] <MyKe3> miausX thanks =) i m a Jew
[04:04] <Verr> Im need of help :( anyone can help?
[04:05] <miausX> Verr: tell me :)
[04:05] <Verr> Okay thx :)
[04:05] <Verr> So as usual i have problems with booting xp after ubuntu install
[04:05] <miausX> hum
[04:05] <Guide> Hello, I am new with ubuntu and I have a small problem, could anyone help
[04:06] <Verr> It shows this message when i choose xp for OS
[04:06] <miausX> Guide: yes, what's the problem?
[04:06] <Guide> How do I setup PCI ADSL modem?
[04:06] <miausX> ouch, no idea Guide ... I'm with a cable modem (ethernet)
[04:07] <miausX> Verr: what is the error?
[04:07] <Verr> "windows could not start because of a computer disk hardware configuration problem. Could not read from the selected boot disk. Please Check windows documentation about hardware disk configuration and your hardware reference manuals for additional information."
[04:07] <Verr> Phew ;)
[04:08] <Verr> Mate said that it could be mbr prob.
[04:08] <Verr> no idea what is it :D
[04:08] <miausX> Verr: oh oh... :(
[04:09] <scizzo> happy new year to all ubuntu and Debian users
[04:09] <miausX> same to you scizzo ;)
[04:10] <Josip> same ;-)
[04:10] <scizzo> ;)
[04:10] <FallenHitokiri> how can I tell my kernel not to use a framebuffer for my ttys? is there a bootoption?
[04:11] <miausX> yep FallenHitokiri
[04:12] <FallenHitokiri> miausX: in which documentation can I find it?
[04:12] <opi> D'oh
[04:12] <miausX> FallenHitokiri: take a look at /boot/grub/menu.lst, the vga= option :)
[04:12] <opi> anyone can tell me why Ubuntu didn't detect my ESS audio card?
[04:13] <opi> now I'm audioless
[04:13] <opi> even if I modprobe snd-maestro3
[04:14] <FallenHitokiri> miausX: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash          thats my kernel I builded. but when I try to boot the screen is black an nothings happens. I got told to deactivate the FB. but if i set vga=791 or sth. i would tell grub to use the FB, wouldn't i?
[04:16] <miausX> FallenHitokiri: are you sure that your kernel conf is correct?
[04:16] <dseomn> I wiped /etc by doing "rsync -uva --delete /etc/php4/ remote-ubuntu:/etc/" instead of "rsync -uva --delete /etc/php4/ remote-ubuntu:/etc/php4/". What I want to know is, is there any way to recover other than reinstalling (/home has it's own partition, so that should be ok)?
[04:16] <FallenHitokiri> miausX: i think so. i did make oldconfig and just added the speedstep to the kernel.
[04:17] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: vga=normal
[04:17] <miausX> FallenHitokiri: I don't have any ubuntu installed right now, maybe you need a initrd? with vga=791 you are telling grub to use fb at 1024x768@16bit
[04:18] <FallenHitokiri> hm... i'll try vga=normal and vga=791.... be right back
[04:18] <WeedVender> Hello
[04:19] <WeedVender> My mouse goes crazy from time to time...
[04:19] <verr3> m/q miausX
[04:19] <miausX> hi verr3 :)
[04:19] <verr3> :D
[04:20] <WeedVender> any suggestions?
[04:20] <miausX> WeedVender: no idea, maybe it's missconfigured in /etc/X11/XF86Config?
[04:20] <WeedVender> It starts clicking everything once in a while and its really annoying.
[04:20] <WeedVender> how would I configure that?
[04:21] <verr3> WeedVender lol :D
[04:21] <WeedVender> ...
[04:22] <miausX> WeedVender: hum, what kind of mouse have you?
[04:22] <miausX> I have an logitech, ps2 mouse with wheel
[04:23] <miausX> it works fine with /dev/psaux and imPS/2
[04:23] <FallenHitokiri> ogra , miausX: changing vga=$foo didn't help
[04:23] <miausX> :(
[04:24] <WeedVender> Logitec
[04:24] <FallenHitokiri> the problem why i try to build another kernel is: i use an hp / comapq nx7000 notebook with centrino. but i only can use it 2 hourse without powerconnection. with windows it runs nearly 5...
[04:24] <ogra> WeedVender: dont edit it manually, take: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:24] <verr3> haha
[04:24] <WeedVender> forgot the model #
[04:24] <verr3> Mouse gone mad
[04:24] <verr3> It likes cheesy WINDOWS :D
[04:24] <verr3> Its full of cheese holes :D
[04:24] <verr3> miausX check private.
[04:24] <verr3> Looks like you flood defender blocked me :D
[04:24] <verr3> "no text to send"
[04:24] <verr3> MIAUSX! :D
[04:25] <WeedVender> yeah, it doesn't do it in Windows
[04:25] <miausX> verr3: no no, I receive it :)
[04:25] <bulio> I need help setting up my internet in ubuntu live
[04:25] <verr3> So.?
[04:25] <bulio> I have dsl pppoe authentication
[04:25] <bulio> external modem
[04:25] <verr3> bulio
[04:25] <bulio> yes?
[04:25] <miausX> verr3: your menu.lst looks fine :(
[04:26] <verr3> just choose correct answers and TADA!
[04:26] <opi> so
[04:26] <verr3> miaus i think that my partitions have broken my wind -.-
[04:26] <bulio> ^^?
[04:26] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: speedstep is also available in ubuntus default kernel
[04:26] <verr3> Win :/
[04:26] <verr3> Back to irssi
[04:26] <miausX> verr3: I can't understand why you can boot into winXP... is it installed before ubuntu?
[04:26] <FallenHitokiri> ogra: but why is the lifetime 3 hours shorter?
[04:27] <Verr> miausx it is
[04:27] <FallenHitokiri> i wanted to try 2.6.10 because someone mentioned that the support would be better
[04:27] <WeedVender> 32 MB is 32,000 KB?
[04:27] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: dunno, but did you check if its running properly, before you took the effort to build a new kernel ?
[04:27] <miausX> Verr: sorry, no idea :(
[04:27] <bulio> so anyone able to help me with setting up ubuntu live internet?
[04:27] <Verr> weedwender yeah
[04:27] <WeedVender> tty
[04:27] <Verr> miausX np my friend is pr0 ;)
[04:28] <miausX> :D
[04:28] <FallenHitokiri> ogra: i tryed cpudyn, but it always tells me: not active or sth. like that. laptop_mode start also didn't change the problem
[04:28] <FallenHitokiri> i have no idea how to fix this
[04:28] <bulio> anyone?
[04:29] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: were all the speedstep modules loaded ?
[04:29] <miausX> hum, brb
[04:30] <FallenHitokiri> ogra: which modules are important?
[04:30] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CPUFreqModuleLoading/
[04:30] <ogra> FallenHitokiri ^^^
[04:31] <WeedVender> Ive got a question
[04:31] <WeedVender> Ive got one of those compaq keyboards with the volume buttons.
[04:31] <miausX> Verr: please, try to send me a file now... I think it works :)
[04:32] <WeedVender> Im at the xserver setup and im wondering if I should type Pc104 or pc122
[04:32] <sirfred> Is the flash player plugin working for you on Hoary?
[04:32] <sirfred> Mine is crashing every time I try to open a page with flash media in.
[04:32] <WeedVender> ?
[04:32] <FallenHitokiri> ogra: nice... the script to check what I need doesn't work *G*
[04:33] <miausX> ops, telephon
[04:33] <VirtualDarKness> sirfred, how did you installed it? deb package or with firefox plugin finder? (or what is called!)
[04:33] <sirfred> VirtualDarKness: Humm, I'm not sure. Perhaps with the plugin finder.
[04:34] <VirtualDarKness> in ff 1.0 right?
[04:34] <sirfred> VirtualDarKness: Yes.
[04:34] <VirtualDarKness> sirfred, does it crash on each site that has flash or just in one?
[04:34] <FallenHitokiri> I cannot load speedstep-centrino modprobe: file not found insmod: device busy
[04:34] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: how do you run it ?
[04:34] <sirfred> VirtualDarKness: Every site I've tested.
[04:34] <sirfred> VirtualDarKness: A lot of time ago, I had a similar problem on debian.
[04:35] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: did you make it executable or run it with /bin/sh ?
[04:35] <sirfred> VirtualDarKness: It was related with the sound output of the plugin, or something so.
[04:35] <FallenHitokiri> ogra: yes
[04:35] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: try with sudo
[04:35] <FallenHitokiri> i did
[04:35] <VirtualDarKness> sirfred, hold on I have to reboot now, brb.
[04:35] <FallenHitokiri> ogra: ./cpufreq-detect.sh: line 142: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[04:35] <codecaine> speedstep loads for me no problems
[04:36] <codecaine> running hoary though
[04:37] <FallenHitokiri> thats the error http://rafb.net/paste/results/jEzeaS70.html
[04:38] <FallenHitokiri> codecaine: would you please send me you sources.list? i would try to upgrade to hoary.... i want a stable workstation but i don't want someone with only half the features...
[04:38] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: lsmod|grep speedstep ?
[04:38] <codecaine> sure
[04:38] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: dont take hoary if you mean what you wrote above
[04:38] <FallenHitokiri> ogra: not loaded
[04:38] <Verr> :D
[04:38] <codecaine> you have to remove fam and portmap also
[04:38] <Verr> Windows rocks :D
[04:38] <codecaine> when u upgrade
[04:39] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: modprobe speedstep-centrin
[04:39] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: modprobe speedstep-centrino
[04:39] <FallenHitokiri> ... hm... if hoary isn't stable enough to work with it the upgrade has no use
[04:39] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: without extension
[04:39] <WeedVender> what does that command do?
[04:39] <FallenHitokiri> ogra: FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_centrino (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-centrino.ko): Device or resource busy
[04:39] <WeedVender> The speedstep?
[04:39] <sirfred> Humm, is there any way to watch divx files with totem-gstreamer?
[04:39] <sirfred> Any gstreamer plugin I'm missing?
[04:40] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: if you can live with frequent breakage and want to help testing hoary is ok....
[04:40] <FallenHitokiri> ogra: testing hoary is okay but not on my workstation ;)
[04:40] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: thats what i meant with my warning ;)
[04:41] <Verr> miausX take dcc
[04:41] <FallenHitokiri> ogra: i have 2 problems with my notebook. first the speedstep thing and an acpi-bug that is no problem with a kernelpatch. but speedstep is something i need...
[04:42] <FallenHitokiri> would it help to load the modul at boottime?
[04:43] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: are you sure you need the centrino one ?
[04:43] <FallenHitokiri> ogra: yes. i work nearly 4 hours every day with my laptop without a powerconnectino
[04:44] <FallenHitokiri> would it help to build speedstep in the kernel and not as a modul?
[04:45] <Josip> i'm getting my IBM R50e (Centrino 1,5GHz) afte NY .
[04:45] <Josip> i'm getting my IBM R50e (Centrino 1,5GHz) after NY .
[04:45] <WeedVender> how would I got about restarting Gnome without restarting the Pc?
[04:46] <codecaine> ctl alt back
[04:46] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: nope, something blocks it from being loaded, putting that out of the way would help....no idea what it is though
[04:51] <FallenHitokiri> hm... i try something... be back later (thanks for helping me)
[04:55] <jiyuu0> 5 more minutes to 2005... Happy New Year!
[04:56] <snerfu> Happy new year
[04:57] <wezzer-> happy new year
[04:57] <jiyuu0> 3 more minutes... tick tick tick
[04:58] <sladen> depends where you live
[05:00] <jiyuu0> HAPPY NEW YEAR! I'm in 2005
[05:00] <wezzer-> :)
[05:00] <sladen> jiyuu0: Australia?
[05:00] <jiyuu0> sladen, Malaysia
[05:02] <FallenHitokiri> ogra: loading it with /etc/modules works. the modules are loaded.
[05:02] <FallenHitokiri> but nothing changed. 2hourse lifetime
[05:06] <VirtualDarKness> jiyuu0, happy 2005 :)
[05:07] <jiyuu0> can see illegal fireworks from my apartment...
[05:07] <abelli> who does feel the need for a wget-applet in firefox?
[05:08] <abelli> jiyuu0: ciao
[05:08] <VirtualDarKness> abelli, ciao ;)
[05:09] <jiyuu0> abelli, ciao means bye right?
[05:09] <VirtualDarKness> also hello
[05:09] <jiyuu0> now i see... cause all the while i thought ciao means bye only
[05:10] <abelli> so ? no-firefoxers listening?
[05:10] <jiyuu0> wah... big fireworks... near my window... crazy folks downstairs
[05:10] <FallenHitokiri> abelli: here
[05:11] <sladen> jiyuu0: I fireworks illegal full-stop;  or just the n
[05:11] <sladen> jiyuu0: I fireworks illegal full-stop;  or just on some occasions?
[05:12] <jiyuu0> in my country fireworks are illegal
[05:12] <jiyuu0> u can't buy it of the shelf...
[05:14] <abelli> FallenHitokiri: do you feel the need for a wget applet?
[05:14] <FallenHitokiri> abelli: yes i do
[05:15] <abelli> nice..
[05:15] <abelli> because i was thinking of a wget gui as test.bench for my ruby skills..
[05:16] <abelli> then i thought of a firefox's extension
[05:18] <abelli> FallenHitokiri: do you know prozilla?
[05:18] <FallenHitokiri> abelli: no
[05:30] <siretart> hi there
[05:32] <siretart> anyone using evolution Version: 2.1.2-0ubuntu1 with imaps? since the last upgrade evolution tells me that ssl is not available. Can somebody reproduce/confirm this?
[05:51] <siulca> hello
[06:14] <grumbel> after switching from debian unstable to ubuntu I seem to have some problems with the dns resolution, I know get more or less random 'can't resolve some_host', retrying again makes it work, config is the same as under debian, any idea what could be wrong?
[06:16] <ohyeah2005> grumbel, not sure, but you could get rid of the ipv6 stuff and see if it gets any better
[06:17] <grumbel> ohyeah2005: how can I get rid of it? rmmod, apt-get remove?
[06:18] <ohyeah2005> I would move the module somewhere else
[06:20] <ohyeah2005> this is where it is in my system: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko
[06:21] <codecaine> rmmod
[06:22] <sladen> Okay.  GDM started.  Background fill.  Panel at top.  Panel at Bottom.  Pretty mouse pointer.  But nothing else.  How do I kick GNOME to finish starting?
[06:22] <codecaine> sladen, try rebooting again
[06:22] <codecaine> happened to me too
[06:23] <zenrox> ya
[06:23] <sladen> codecaine: this is happening with regularity.  Currently 100% regularity
[06:23] <codecaine> hmm
[06:23] <codecaine> i would reboot and it would fix it
[06:23] <codecaine> you all up2date?
[06:24] <codecaine> you can try running in init 1 or so and run it manually to see what errors or where it hangs?
[06:25] <sladen> codecaine: the reboot-to-fix-it has worked a few times.
[06:26] <codecaine> i actually cleaned my system and reinstalled and hasn't done it to me yet.
[06:26] <sladen> groovy.  /etc/init.d/gdm restart  and now we just have a 'hide all windows' applet
[06:28] <codecaine> report that as a bug if there isn't one already
[06:28] <Cloudchaser> hmm my scroll wheel stopped working ;( was working before the batteries on it quit, then i swapped it for a corded mouse til i got batteries, first one i tried had no scroll, then second one had scrolling, now scrolling isn't working on the cordless one ;(
[06:29] <Cloudchaser> anyone have any ideas for me?
[06:32] <georgia> tried restarting X?
[06:32] <Cloudchaser> yeo
[06:32] <Cloudchaser> yes
[06:32] <Cloudchaser> restarted the whole machine
[06:33] <setite> hello all
[06:33] <code-caine> anyone getting random non-frequent lockups and have to shutdown system?
[06:35] <sladen> codecaine: random lockups?  are they temperature related?
[06:35] <ulx> hi people.. any portmapper experts arround? having troubles with my hosts.allow/deny
[06:36] <Cloudchaser> i never have had any lockups
[06:36] <sladen> ulx: most stuff doesn't go through the portmapper.  What are you using it with?
[06:37] <ulx> 2 machines a.knoppix b.ubuntu.
[06:37] <Yannick_> I can't watch any dvd? what do I have to do? I installed libdvdcss2, made a link from /dev/cdrom to /dev/dvd
[06:38] <Yannick_> and it still says i'm missing plugins.
[06:38] <ulx> can ssh from ubuntu into knoppix, the other way arround not.
[06:38] <Xenguy> w00t!  My CD's just arrived this morning  :-D
[06:38] <ulx> can ssh into localhost on ubuntu either
[06:38] <ulx> hosts.deny/allow are the same on ubuntu and knoppix
[06:38] <wezzer-> Xenguy: where do you live?
[06:38] <shorty114> Xenguy: i got them 4 days ago :P
[06:38] <Xenguy> wezzer-: Canada
[06:39] <wezzer-> Yannick_: try ogle dvd player
[06:39] <Yannick_> wezzer: shouldn't totem play them?
[06:39] <wezzer-> Xenguy: ok, I live in Finland and my cd's haven't come
[06:39] <wezzer-> Yannick_: I'm not sure
[06:39] <wezzer-> I used ogle
[06:40] <Xenguy> wezzer-: I was wondering if they would arrive too, but here they are :-)
[06:40] <Yannick_> wezzer: apt-get install ogle should work?
[06:40] <wezzer-> Yannick_: try
[06:40] <wezzer-> Xenguy: lucky you :)
[06:41] <ulx> sladen: any ideas?
[06:41] <Cloudchaser> what is this? its in my dmesg usbcore: registered new driver usbhid
[06:42] <Cloudchaser> usbcore: registered new driver hiddev
[06:42] <cartman> Cloudchaser: your kernel has usb support
[06:43] <Cloudchaser> ok didn't know if something new happend that made my mouse not scroll
[06:44] <Cloudchaser> it still shows zaxis 4,5 in the XF86Config-4
[06:45] <sladen> ulx: SSH doesn't use portmapper or hosts.*
[06:45] <sladen> ulx: probably the reason you can't SSH it ubuntu is 'sshd' isn't running!
[06:46] <ogra> ulx: do you have openssh-server installed ?
[06:46] <Cloudchaser> i  googled and it said this: Got it fixed by simple deleting
[06:46] <Cloudchaser> /lib/modules/*..*/usbmouse.o (and restarted X)
[06:46] <Cloudchaser> does that make any sense?
[06:48] <ulx> hmm..  3710  0.0  0.3  2920  208 ?        Ss   Dec30   0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent is not the ssh daemon on ubuntu?
[06:49] <ogra> ulx: nope, thats sshd
[06:49] <ogra> ulx: ssh-agent is used by gdm
[06:49] <ulx> then i feel stupid now 8-)
[06:54] <ulx> en general, how would i find out what daemon go via hosts.allow/deny?
[06:55] <ulx> is it a valueable "stopper"? i mean could i empty the files out and still feel secure?
[06:56] <fissy> seems much better to use iptables to me ulx, that will work on all programs
[06:56] <ogra> ulx: externalaccess to portmap is disabled in ubuntu anyway....
[06:56] <Cloudchaser> :( still no scrolling...can't find any answers googling either
[06:56] <ogra> ulx: it does react only on 127.0.0.1
[06:56] <Cloudchaser> heya ogra
[06:57] <ogra> Cloudchaser: hi :)
[06:57] <ulx> ogra: i elimated the localhost restrictions because i wanted to share some files around the network
[06:57] <Cloudchaser> ogra any ideas how to fix a mouse thats stopped scrolling?
[06:58] <ogra> ulx: makes sense for nfs
[06:58] <sladen> ~
[06:58] <sladen> Cloudchaser: did you upgrade to xorg?
[06:58] <Cloudchaser> not that i know of sladen
[06:58] <Cloudchaser> here's what happened
[06:58] <Cloudchaser> i have a cordless mouse
[06:58] <sladen> Cloudchaser: have you rebooted.  Have you restart X.  If it USB, is it PS2?
[06:58] <Cloudchaser> its batteries went dead
[06:59] <Cloudchaser> i grabbed a corded one
[06:59] <ogra> Cloudchaser: how does you mouse device part of the config look like, show it in #flood
[06:59] <Cloudchaser> it didn't scroll so i tried another one, it did scroll
[06:59] <sladen> does the mouse-pointer move and buttons (other than centre one) work fine
[06:59] <Cloudchaser> then i got batteries and swapped back to cordless one
[06:59] <sladen> have you rebooted the machine since putting new batteries in the mouse?
[06:59] <bluefoxicy> huh.
[06:59] <Cloudchaser> yes
[06:59] <Cloudchaser> twice
[06:59] <bluefoxicy> Warty can partition my disks
[06:59] <bluefoxicy> but it can't install
[06:59] <bluefoxicy> and thi kernel tihnks I have 1 partition
[06:59] <Cloudchaser> but when i swapped them i didn't shut down first
[06:59] <sladen> bluefoxicy: where does it fail?
[07:00] <Cloudchaser> but when it didn't scroll i restarted
[07:00] <Cloudchaser> 2 times
[07:00] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  cannot create XFS filesystem on hda#6
[07:00] <sladen> bluefoxicy: until you reboot, the kernel won't update its internal partition tables
[07:00] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  did that already
[07:00] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  and yes it will, if the disk doesn't contain mounted partitions.
[07:00] <sladen> bluefoxicy: have you tried just using the standard ext3 ?
[07:00] <bluefoxicy> sladen: /dev/ide/host0/target0/lun0/ has disc and part1 only
[07:00] <bluefoxicy> even after rebooting
[07:01] <bluefoxicy> and even after switching from 'expert' to 'linux'
[07:01] <sladen> so it's failing to partition, not to format?
[07:01] <Cloudchaser> ogra the XF86Config-4?
[07:01] <bluefoxicy> the partitioner says the partitions are tehre after I reboot
[07:01] <bluefoxicy> and fdisk -l also says they're there.
[07:01] <Cloudchaser> join #flood
[07:01] <Cloudchaser> oops
[07:01] <ogra> Cloudchaser: yep, the mouse parts
[07:01] <bluefoxicy> the kernel doesn't see them, but all userspace apps do.
[07:01] <sladen> bluefoxicy: and what does  /proc/partitions  think?
[07:01] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  it's partitioning
[07:02] <bluefoxicy> sladen: it thinks hda is 58605120 bytes
[07:02] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  and that hda1 is 1073741844 bytes
[07:02] <sladen> 60MB ?
[07:02] <bluefoxicy> kilobytes?
[07:02] <Cloudchaser> ogra posted in #flood
[07:02] <bluefoxicy> it's 60 gig
[07:02] <sladen> bluefoxicy: can you paste the various output on #flood
[07:02] <ogra> Cloudchaser: is there only one ?
[07:03] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  it thinks hda is 60G, and hda1 is 1tb
[07:03] <Cloudchaser> i have one more for the laptop nubbie pointer
[07:03] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  paste?  how the heck can I do that?
[07:03] <bluefoxicy> this isn't another window you know :P
[07:03] <sladen> bluefoxicy: good point
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  anyway, interesting point, the thing seems to think hda1 is 20 times bigger than hda
[07:04] <zenrox> any one ever got gkrellm to view stats on another pc
[07:04] <sladen> bluefoxicy: so used to doing everything over serial connections
[07:04] <Cloudchaser> sladen hyou want me to post the other mouse one again? i had posted it before you went in there
[07:04] <ogra> Cloudchaser: the corded one was a ps2 or a usb mouse ?
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> should I erase the whole disk?
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> I was trying to avoid reinstalling the (broken) reactos
[07:04] <Cloudchaser> corded was usb one
[07:04] <Cloudchaser> the corded one that didn't scroll was a ps2 one
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> but I imagine erasing the disk isn't an acceptable solution in all cases  o_o
[07:05] <ogra> Cloudchaser: ps2 may interfere with the synaptics driver.....
[07:05] <bluefoxicy> nonsense, the ps2 is awesome
[07:05] <bluefoxicy> it has final fantasy on it.
[07:06] <Cloudchaser> ogra the cordless mouse and the built-in nubby mouse have always worked together fine, with scrolling
[07:06] <Cloudchaser> cordless scrolling worked before the battery went dead
[07:06] <ogra> hmm
[07:07] <Cloudchaser> i saw only one thing when i googled:
[07:07] <Cloudchaser> I had this problem. Got it fixed by simple deleting
[07:07] <Cloudchaser> /lib/modules/*..*/usbmouse.o (and restarted X)
[07:07] <Cloudchaser> This module was getting loaded by the system, but when it was
[07:07] <Cloudchaser> present the mouse didn't work right. I think I have a different mouse,
[07:07] <Cloudchaser>   (Microsoft Wireless USB Intellimouse Explorer "7" button wheelmouse)
[07:08] <Cloudchaser> I tried gobs of stuff.... only thing that worked was getting rid of
[07:08] <Cloudchaser> usbmouse.o (and then restarted X).
[07:08] <Cloudchaser> oh sorry thought i was in # flood
[07:08] <zenrox> use www.pastbin.org
[07:08] <Cloudchaser> does that make any sense to do ogra?
[07:08] <ogra> Cloudchaser: you could just have blacklisted it
[07:09] <Cloudchaser> i didn't do it, i just read it
[07:09] <ogra> Cloudchaser: no need to delete modules :)
[07:09] <Cloudchaser> i didn't want to do it til i asked someone
[07:09] <Cloudchaser> because...sometimes bad advice does bad things ;)
[07:09] <ogra> Cloudchaser: try it, if it doesnt work, change it back.....
[07:09] <Cloudchaser> ok how would i do that? blacklist something?
[07:10] <ogra> Cloudchaser: sudo gedit /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:10] <ogra> Cloudchaser: add the modulename as last line
[07:10] <ogra> save, reboot
[07:11] <Cloudchaser> i just put usbmouse.o at the end of the file?
[07:12] <sjoerd> Cloudchaser: without the .o
[07:12] <sladen> Cloudchaser: sudo modprobe usbmouse
[07:12] <sladen> Cloudchaser: see whether that helps if first
[07:12] <Cloudchaser> it looks like its there already
[07:12] <Cloudchaser> see #flood
[07:13] <Cloudchaser> doesn't that show its already blacklisted?
[07:14] <ogra> Cloudchaser: if it is in that file, yes...
[07:15] <Cloudchaser> well fooey then..i saw no other things except the zaxis and thats already as it should be
[07:16] <bluefoxicy> wiping the drive worked
[07:17] <ogra> Cloudchaser: probably sladens suggestion is worth a try then....
[07:17] <Cloudchaser> sudo modprobe usbmouse?
[07:18] <ArCHoNKoG> anyoe got a quickcam express to work on hoary
[07:18] <ogra> Cloudchaser: yuo
[07:18] <ogra> p
[07:18] <Cloudchaser> ok did that...didn't show anything
[07:19] <Cloudchaser> are there issues with changing mouses?
[07:19] <ogra> Cloudchaser: restart your X to see if something has changed......(log out and hit ctrl-alt-backspace in gdm)
[07:19] <Cloudchaser> do you think thats what messed things up?
[07:19] <Cloudchaser> ok brb
[07:21] <Cloudchaser> :(
[07:21] <ogra> hmm
[07:22] <Cloudchaser> still no scrolling..
[07:22] <ogra> so it has nothing to do with that module i guess
[07:22] <Cloudchaser> i'll try mouse on husband's windows pc..i don't have another linux pc at the moment
[07:24] <thoreauputic> jumping in I know - something about zaxis-mapping in XF86Config-4?
[07:26] <setite> anyone know what an admin does on a game server
[07:26] <thoreauputic>  Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" I seem to have here for a scroll mouse?
[07:27] <Cloudchaser>  yes thats what i have
[07:27] <Cloudchaser> it doesn't seem to be scrolling on the windows pc either, and the mouse that didn't scroll on ubuntu scrolls on windows
[07:27] <Cloudchaser> maybe my mouse is broken ;(
[07:27] <thoreauputic> Cloudchaser: ah, OK
[07:27] <Cloudchaser> fooey again ;(
[07:28] <thoreauputic> Hmm... well, Happy New Year from Australia, anyway :)
[07:28] <thoreauputic> Sat Jan  1 05:28:31 EST 2005
[07:28] <ogra> Cloudchaser: the usb mouse that didnt scroll ?
[07:29] <ogra> thoreauputic: a happy new one.... we have still 4,5h to go here
[07:30] <Cloudchaser> the cordless usb mouse didn't scroll on windows
[07:30] <thoreauputic> ogra: :)  Yes, internet makes one aware of the earth's size !
[07:30] <Cloudchaser> i have a corded usb mouse that scrolled on ubuntu...
[07:30] <ogra> thoreauputic: its so small :)
[07:31] <ogra> Cloudchaser: and didnt on win ?
[07:31] <Cloudchaser> a ps2 one scrolls on windows not on ubuntu..i'll go back to the corded one on ubuntu
[07:31] <ogra> Cloudchaser: ahh, ok, ps2 is pretty clear....
[07:32] <Prasatko> hello.help please. My soundcard works only for root, not for other users, (ubuntu, kernel 2.6).
[07:32] <Cloudchaser> ok corded usbmouse scrolls on ubuntu
[07:32] <Cloudchaser> guess i'll go back to that ;(
[07:33] <Cloudchaser> thanks for trying to help fellas
[07:33] <Cloudchaser> guess i need a new cordless one ;(
[07:33] <setite> anyone know where i can find out how linux game servers work
[07:33] <thoreauputic> Prasatko: are you in the group "audio" ?
[07:33] <setite> counter-strike source in particular if that matters
[07:35] <ArCHoNKoG> setite, go to gamsurge and go to channel #steam they should help you
[07:35] <thoreauputic> Prasatko: type `groups` to find out (in a terminal)
[07:35] <ArCHoNKoG> irc.gamsurge.net
[07:35] <ArCHoNKoG> irc.game*surge.net
[07:35] <Prasatko> thoreauputic: no.
[07:36] <Prasatko> thoreauputic: how to add user to group?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> Prasatko: not in audio? Well try sudo adduser <your user name> audio
[07:37] <Prasatko> thoreauputic:thanx. i'll try it
[07:37] <thoreauputic> Prasatko: log out and back in after adding your user
[07:38] <thoreauputic> Prasatko: then type groups again to confirm, if you wish
[07:40] <Prasatko> thoreauputic: ok, Thank you.
[07:40] <thoreauputic> Prasatko: hope it helps - sounds odd that you aren't in that group
[07:41] <punkrockguy318> hmm
[07:41] <punkrockguy318> my hostname on my ubuntu machine isn't showing up on my router
[07:41] <punkrockguy318> my winxp machines and my xbox do, but not this machine...
[07:42] <Prasatko> thoreauputic: I installed debian with kernel 2.2.20, then upgraded to 2.6 (ubuntu), i'm not a experienced linux user
[07:42] <punkrockguy318> any ideas?
[07:42] <thoreauputic> Prasatko: ah. So you upgraded to a 2.6 kernel from Woddy (stable) ?
[07:43] <de_wizze> Cloudchaser: what is the name of the mouse protocol you use Option	"Protocol"	"ImPS/2"
[07:43] <thoreauputic> *Woody
[07:43] <Prasatko> thoreauputic:yes :)
[07:43] <ulx_> when you take out your usb key, ubuntu flushes buffers or not?
[07:43] <thoreauputic> Prasatko: did you install Ubuntu, or just the kernel?
[07:44] <ulx_> had a problem just now with a file that i copied.. it was not all there.. the last part was missing
[07:44] <Prasatko> thoreauputic: I installed minimal version of debian, then I changed apt sources to ubuntu and also changed kernel to ubuntu.
[07:44] <thoreauputic> ulx_: advisable to unmount before removing it, I'd say
[07:45] <Seq> ulx: or at the very least, `sync`. if you just pull the key out, there is no longer anything to flush the buffer to
[07:45] <drspin> So I've been using Ubuntu for about a week now and despite some early configuration troubles, I must say that this is the best linux distro I've ever used!! I actually prefer Ubuntu over Gentoo -- for a day to day distro. It most certainly wins over that other OS (m$ anybody) -- thanks #ubuntu for your help!!
[07:46] <thoreauputic> Prasatko: I don't think that's a wise move - Woody has all kinds of differences and a direct update to Ubuntu is not going to be trivial
[07:46] <ulx_> drspin et al: hear hear.. i fully second that!
[07:47] <drspin> ulx_: :) :)
[07:47] <ulx_> seq: whats this "sync"?
[07:47] <Prasatko> thoreauputic: yes, you are right, as I said, I'm not experienced, so I will probably install only debian again
[07:47] <Seq> ulx: from `man sync` :  sync - flush filesystem buffers
[07:48] <Seq> ulx_: it would still be best to umount it though
[07:48] <thoreauputic> Prasatko: unless you enjoy troubleshooting, I think an install from an Ubuntu disk would be safer : for one thing, 2.6 kernels require a new version of module utilities
[07:48] <thoreauputic> Prasatko: if you want straight Debian, use the new installer
[07:49] <thoreauputic> for Sarge
[07:49] <Prasatko> thoreauputic: I had problems installing ubuntu, because in my notebook there is no CDROM,NET,FLOPPY, only HDD :)
[07:50] <ulx_> thx seq. ill check out the sync first see how things go,
[07:50] <speel> pras: the live cd might be able to be installed but im not sure
[07:50] <thoreauputic> Prasatko: ah - yes that would be tricky
[07:51] <Prasatko> thoreauputic: I don't know other distro (except debian) that can installed from dos partition
[07:51] <Seq> ulx_: i'd seriously just reccommend opening the "computer:/" view of nautilus, and telling it to un mount your disk
[07:52] <thoreauputic> Prasatko: there are others, but I use Debian so I'd recommand it anyway: rather than making the big jump to Ubuntu, you could just do an apt-get dist-upgrade from Woody or install Sarge and be done with it
[07:55] <Prasatko> thoreauputic: Ok, i think it will be best :) thank you
[07:56] <thoreauputic> Prasatko: good luck :)
[07:57] <ArCHoNKoG> anyone get glx error on hoary upgrade ?
[07:58] <Hikaru79> For some reason, audio skips whenever I play any video file.
[07:58] <Hikaru79> It works fine for mp3s
[07:58] <Hikaru79> But if I use gxine or xine to play an .avi, the audio keeps skipping every 3 seconds
[07:58] <Hikaru79> Any ideas?
[08:05] <Crane> hello all
[08:05] <Crane> again
[08:05] <Crane> :)
[08:05] <Crane> it is I
[08:05] <Crane> CRane
[08:05] <Hikaru79> Hey, CraHan_
[08:05] <Hikaru79> Err
[08:05] <Crane> Asker of silly questions
[08:05] <Hikaru79> Crane
[08:05] <Crane> :)
[08:05] <HEY> HI
[08:06] <Crane> how is everyone
[08:06] <Crane> I'm about to attemt a laptop install
[08:06] <Crane> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[08:06] <Hikaru79> Best of luck to you, Crane  :)
[08:06] <HEY> cool
[08:06] <Crane> thanks
[08:07] <Crane> does ubuntu work well with wireless?
[08:07] <sobralense> is there any way to uninstall "cups" without uninstalling ubuntu-desktop ?  =P
[08:07] <Hikaru79> Crane, yep
[08:07] <Crane> cool thanks
[08:07] <Hikaru79> sobralense, don't worry about ubuntu-desktop
[08:07] <Hikaru79> It's just a wierd thing to scare people
[08:08] <sobralense> Hikaru79, it wont be uninstalled?
[08:08] <Hikaru79> You can safely remove it
[08:08] <Hikaru79> It will, but it's not what it sounds like
[08:08] <Hikaru79> It's just a dependancy 'dummy' package
[08:08] <sobralense> ok, I saw this
[08:08] <ogra> Hikaru79: which is important if you upgrade from one stable version to the next
[08:08] <sobralense> Thanks +]  a really lot hehe
[08:08] <Hikaru79> Removing it will not hurt your desktop in any way shape or form.
[08:09] <Hikaru79> ogra, I see.
[08:09] <sobralense> I'm updating to hoary ..
[08:09] <Hikaru79> ogra, scroll up a bit-- do you have any ideas about the issue I asked about?
[08:09] <drspin> oes anyone see the reason in having a 'dummy' repository for the
[08:09] <drspin> lol
[08:10] <drspin> oops
[08:10] <sobralense> question here... : what "universe" means?
[08:10] <Hikaru79> universe is just a repository
[08:10] <drspin> ./ignore me
[08:10] <Hikaru79> That isn't enabled by default. You have to turn it on in the "Repository" tab of Synaptic
[08:10] <Hikaru79> sobralense, I definetly reccomend turning it on. Multiverse too. Lots of good stuff in there.
[08:10] <sobralense> I know, but what means
[08:10] <ogra> sobralense: all software that is packaged but expected to be maintained by the community (14000  pckages)
[08:11] <sobralense> wow
[08:11] <sobralense> =}
[08:11] <sobralense> Its first'ime using ubuntu ..
[08:11] <sobralense> I 've used debian before, but not much ..
[08:11] <ogra> sobralense: in fact its all imported from debian.....
[08:12] <sobralense> any way its different from the Old-school slackware
[08:12] <sobralense> ehehe
[08:12] <ogra> sobralense: with lots of adjustments in the main part...
[08:15] <sobralense> ogra, some how to about changing warty to hoary ?
[08:16] <ogra> sobralense: if you can live with frequent breakages :)
[08:16] <sobralense> I wanna know about "where the hell are loading those modules? "
[08:17] <sobralense> ogra, I hated the "stable" acx_pci used by my wireless d-link
[08:17] <ogra> most are handled by hotplug
[08:18] <sobralense> oh, so many breaks ? =P at the point to make another dist-upgrade?
[08:19] <sobralense> I have many bugs on live-cd .. I'm waiting to make tests and a stable connection.. I cant even open the ubuntuforum =P
[08:19] <sobralense> really unstable here..
[08:20] <sobralense> Isnt the ubuntu's fault, but my ISP .. =P
[08:25] <Luiso> hi, ubuntu use supermount?
[08:26] <ogra> pmount
[08:30] <Crane> hmmmmm
[08:30] <thetron> HI anyone tryed install wolfenstien : et and got it working
[08:30] <Crane> think I'm gonna play Quake3 a while
[08:31] <Crane> thetron: cool fun game
[08:32] <thetron> I've installed it and patched the game. Everytime i run the game you'd get this few second of blank screen and then all of a suddern "You x session has crash. Will restart X"
[08:32] <thetron> I'm using a fx5200
[08:32] <thetron> Nvidia
[08:34] <thetron> So whats causing that
[08:35] <Luiso> thanks ogra
[08:35] <Crane> look at your log files for X and see what error it's giving
[08:35] <ogra> Luiso: it just moved into debian from ubuntu :)
[08:36] <Crane> di you install wolfenstein or ET or both
[08:36] <Crane> did
[08:37] <Crane> wow I can't type today either
[08:37] <Crane> lol
[08:37] <thetron> Crane: Wolfenstien: ET is the full game
[08:38] <Crane> hmmm, misunderstanding here what I was asking is if it was wolfenstein or wolfenstein : ET
[08:38] <Crane> two different games
[08:38] <thetron> Yep 2 different games
[08:38] <thetron> I got et
[08:38] <Crane> Oh ok
[08:38] <thetron> I know tuxracer works okay
[08:39] <Crane> have your run anything else like quake3 or ut2003 or 4
[08:40] <sobralense> best game I know is tetris.. I runs on my computer.. =P
[08:40] <Crane> lol
[08:40] <Crane> I just ran ET on mine for the first time
[08:40] <thetron> I've only tryed this so far
[08:40] <sobralense> someone running games with ATI's ?
[08:40] <Crane> did you look at your x logs and see what error?
[08:41] <ohyeah2005> sobralense, te manca cara (get a clue). brincadeira (joking). :-)
[08:42] <sobralense> ohyeah2005, oia (wow) um brasileiro! (a guy that drinks "caipirinha" and dance samba! )
[08:42] <thetron> i pasted an error crane to ya
[08:42] <ohyeah2005> hehe. (lol)
[08:47] <Crane> wow my laptop install is going
[08:47] <Crane> S    L    O    W
[08:47] <Crane> :)
[08:49] <arthurgeek> hello all. in mine Gentoo box, XMMS supports id3v2 editng, but not in ubuntu, how to add this to xmms?
[08:53] <drspin> How can I tell FF to save a ".run" file  rather than view it?
[09:01] <Shanto> hello
[09:02] <Shanto> hello
[09:03] <Shanto> ubuntu stinks
[09:04] <Cloudchaser> ogra you still here?
[09:04] <ogra> yup
[09:05] <Cloudchaser> i have a question for you
[09:05] <setite> ogra whats up
[09:05] <Cloudchaser> i am doing some reading up on samba
[09:06] <Cloudchaser> and it says the smb.conf file is in /usr/local/samba/lib
[09:06] <quake> Hey, is Gnome 2.8 built in Warthy with Xinerama support?
[09:06] <Cloudchaser> i have one in /usr/share/samba
[09:06] <Cloudchaser> and also in /etc/samba
[09:06] <ogra> Cloudchaser: if you compile it from the source tarball without prefix option, it is :)
[09:07] <Cloudchaser> ok i didn't
[09:07] <ogra> setite: hi
[09:07] <Cloudchaser> but i still have 2
[09:07] <quake> Hmm, I should rephrase that... Is Gnome 2.8 in warthy built with Xinerama support?
[09:08] <setite> how is that rephrasing?
[09:09] <ogra> Cloudchaser: the one in /usr/share/samba is a nice backup :) normally you copy the /etc/samba one from there for a start....here apt does it for you
[09:09] <setite> ok nvm... i thought it was the same
[09:09] <quake> setite, It's just that my first sentence was kinda of messed up, that's why
[09:10] <Cloudchaser> something's not quite right with my samba..trying to figure it out...smbclient -L mysambaserver doesn't show any shares...when i do mount -a one of my shares doesn't get mounted as it did before
[09:10] <ogra> quake: i undestood them both :) but still dont know the answer.....
[09:10] <setite> yea... hmm
[09:10] <thoreauputic> quake: xinerama isn't a gnome thing :)
[09:10] <thoreauputic> it's an X thing afaik
[09:10] <Cloudchaser> also is swat included with the ubuntu samba package?
[09:11] <ogra> thoreauputic: the panel has a compile option.....
[09:11] <thoreauputic> ah I see
[09:11] <ogra> Cloudchaser: i think its a separate one....and it may require a enabled root user
[09:11] <quake> thoreauputic, I enabled dual Monitor support in X.org, but I can't access the second monitor *but it's working*
[09:11] <Cloudchaser> ok thanks
[09:12] <Cloudchaser> the other issue is that the samba services start after it tries to mount the shares at boot time
[09:15] <ogra> Cloudchaser: pcmcia networking ?
[09:15] <Cloudchaser> me? yes, wireless card
[09:15] <ogra> hmm
[09:15] <ogra> difficult
[09:15] <Cloudchaser> i had to change that in red hat
[09:16] <Cloudchaser> with the nice services tool ;)
[09:16] <Cloudchaser> thats minor though..i'll set it up a different way if i need to
[09:17] <Cloudchaser> but i don't know why one share isn't mounting when i do mount -a
[09:17] <ogra> the prob is, that pcmcia cant go before hotplug (needs the modules)
[09:17] <Cloudchaser> i can live with that
[09:17] <ogra> lol
[09:18] <Cloudchaser> i can mount them manually or set it up in a script to do it after booting
[09:18] <ogra> but it probably wont work....
[09:18] <Cloudchaser> i'll research that more
[09:18] <Cloudchaser> what won't work?
[09:18] <ogra> its a prob with the bootorder....
[09:18] <ogra> to change it ....
[09:18] <Cloudchaser> yes but ther's another way
[09:18] <Cloudchaser> in um...some file
[09:19] <Cloudchaser> i read it earlier
[09:19] <newyear> !seen sap
[09:19] <ogra> you can run a own init script that mounts them
[09:19] <ogra> in the end of the boot process if everything is up.....
[09:19] <Cloudchaser> right thats it
[09:20] <sobralense> anyone here using module acx_pci to use with wireless card?
[09:20] <Cloudchaser> but first i want to get it all working well, then i'll document it nicely for the wiki
[09:20] <ogra> :)
[09:20] <ogra> sobralense: whats the issue ?
[09:21] <sobralense> Know where it's loaded =P
[09:21] <sobralense> and know if someone made it work with "warty - LiveCD"
[09:21] <ogra> i think by hotplug....
[09:23] <ogra> cant you simply load it  ? and then configure the network ?
[09:23] <sobralense> I'm trying to remove the older entry to not cause some error
[09:24] <drspin> which rc script do I edit to mount /mnt/data at boot time?
[09:24] <nuopus> hello
[09:24] <nuopus> /etc/fstab
[09:24] <nuopus> not an rc script
[09:24] <drspin> it's in fstab
[09:25] <ogra> drspin: is there a "noauto" in the line ?
[09:25] <nuopus> take that out
[09:25] <nuopus> lol
[09:26] <drspin> lmao Yeah it was there... sorry
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> there's still no way to downgrade+?
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> I just tried to upgrade to hoary
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> and it broke
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> so I tried to downgrade to warty
[09:28] <ogra> thats hoary....
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> and it was like ". . .nope.  BTW python 2.4 is needed!"
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> ogra:  I wanted to see if it'd work :)
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> now I'm just plain too lazy to reinstall.
[09:29] <ogra> reinstall id the best option.......or wait some updates and live with the current state
[09:30] <ogra> bluefoxicy: bwt, what broke ?
[09:30] <bluefoxicy> ogra:  it had a bunch of things about python dependencies
[09:30] <ogra> bluefoxicy: no, in hoary i men
[09:30] <ogra> mean
[09:31] <bluefoxicy> yeah, that's what happened.  it flat out failed to dist-upgrade
[09:31] <bluefoxicy> would you like me to resodomize it and see if I can get the same thing?
[09:31] <Crane> wow my laptop install is going really
[09:31] <ogra> bluefoxicy: was ubuntu-desktop installed before the upgrade ?
[09:31] <bluefoxicy> ogra:  yes
[09:31] <Crane> S         L                 O             W
[09:32] <Crane> think I'll get a snack
[09:32] <Crane> :)
[09:32] <bluefoxicy> ogra:  interrelationships affecting pymacs
[09:32] <bluefoxicy> pymacs depends on python <<2.4
[09:32] <ogra> Crane: yeah, thats marketing ;) the os will later feel twice as fast ;)
[09:33] <ogra> oh
[09:33] <ohyeah2005> where can I find informtaion on how to remaster ubuntu? is there such an info freely available? :-)
[09:33] <bluefoxicy> ogra:  and python supplied is python 2.4-0ubuntu or something.
[09:33] <drspin> remaster?
[09:34] <bluefoxicy> ogra:  i think I found the problem~~
[09:34] <bluefoxicy> you supply python 2.4 and depend on python <<2.4
[09:34] <ohyeah2005> create my own ISO based on Ubuntu, so I can include my usual tools in it
[09:34] <sobralense> anybody knows if the default kernel from warty receives any patch? to work better or something else..
[09:34] <bluefoxicy> whatever << is
[09:34] <Crane> I hope so
[09:34] <bluefoxicy> ogra:  could that be it?
[09:34] <ogra> ohyeah2005: there is something in the wiki afaik
[09:34] <ohyeah2005> cool, I'm gonna search for it. thanks
[09:34] <Crane> I had XP on there but good lord XP takes a lot of disk space
[09:35] <ogra> bluefoxicy: maybe....
[09:36] <calamari> yeah xp is bloated, doesn't have real ms-dos, and full of security problems.  I'm glad for Ubuntu.. hopefully if I can sort out a few more dos emulation issues I'll kiss98se goodbye forever
[09:36] <bluefoxicy> ogra:  adding back in the source for warty seems to fix it.
[09:36] <drspin> Crane: XP blows -- However, if you're switching to linux just to save a couple hundred Mb's perhaps you should reevaluate :/
[09:36] <ogra> bluefoxicy: have you run apt-get update after adding hoary ?
[09:36] <bluefoxicy> ogra:  yes
[09:37] <Crane> drspin: nope I'm switching to linux cause XP blows
[09:37] <Crane> :)
[09:37] <bluefoxicy> XP sucks and blows at the same time
[09:38] <drspin> Crane: Carry on ;)
[09:39] <omac> Hi everyone, I have ubuntu desktop 4.1 installed on an ibm thinkpad 770x.  X came up first shot on both x86 and apple powerbook g4.  Congrats to ubuntu.
[09:39] <drspin> Ubuntu gets lots of props!
[09:39] <scoon> bluefoxicy, how true.
[09:40] <sobralense> Crane, I had 3 virus with XP .. and never used IE, only mozilla/firefox and never use and executable .. with avast antivirus installed too
[09:40] <sobralense> omac, =}
[09:40] <sobralense> ubuntu growed quickly
[09:40] <sobralense> I think was about those free cd's .. ehehheh
[09:41] <omac> I do have the same problem in both machines however.  I can't play with the powerbook g4 because it's somebody else's and they were away.  That said xine/totem don't play divx files and the output shows a blue screen with unlegible words and to the right a bit,
[09:41] <drspin> can i still get a free pressed CD of Warty?
[09:41] <Crane> sobralense: just imagine how infected you would have been using EI
[09:41] <Crane> oops IE
[09:42] <Crane> oh and IE blows too
[09:42] <omac> I see horizontal lines flicking for the height of the output window.
[09:42] <sobralense> IE rocks, thats why firefox got popular
[09:42] <sobralense> =)
[09:43] <sobralense> news at new york times .. and other journals ..
[09:44] <Crane> IE is rock solid, stable, and safe
[09:44] <Crane> as long as you don't use it
[09:45] <omac> sobralense:  I got my ubuntu from the magazine "Linuxuser & developer" Issue 44.  I cost me 21$Canadian(with taxes).
[09:45] <omac> sobralense:  That was yesterday :)
[09:46] <sobralense> omg, try getting some cd's at shipit.ubuntulinux.org
[09:46] <sobralense> I think is this link
[09:46] <sobralense> =)
[09:47] <sobralense> omac, share with U'r friends, mamma, pappa, and burn a "free" copy of windows XP to your enemies!
[09:47] <setite> Crane... it is very stable in the recycle bin
[09:47] <Crane> LMAO
[09:49] <sobralense> Crane, I'm brazillian, please explain "LMAO"
[09:49] <sobralense> =)
[09:49] <ohyeah2005> laghing my ass off
[09:50] <ohyeah2005> and I'm brazillian too :P
[09:51] <omac> How's the weather in Brazil?
[09:52] <ohyeah2005> where I live today we didn't get rain, yet. it was a suuny day entering the night. almost 6 pm
[09:53] <omac> It rained here but it didn't freeze.  It's going to freeze tonight though.  I am in Ottawa.
[09:55] <omac> I am thankful not to be victim of tsunami weather.
[09:56] <ohyeah2005> man, those pictures show how devastating it was (besides the increasing death toll)
[09:57] <ohyeah2005> http://www.digitalglobe.com/tsunami_gallery.html
[09:58] <sobralense> omac, where I live in Brazil would be great a bit of "rain" ... =P
[09:58] <sobralense> ohyeah2005, Ceara  =P
[09:58] <omac> Our local newspaper today mentioned that some research offices had detected it earlier in Australia and Japan but because of all the bureaucracy, it never got into the right hands.  The offices both reported it their upper chain but it was Sunday.
[09:59] <drspin> it rained like crazy the night before last here in Arizona, United States -- and it was foggy yesterday... it doesn't get foggy in phoenix!! LOL
[09:59] <regeya> heh.
[09:59] <regeya> the one time I got to visit arizona, torrential rains visited the state.
[10:00] <drspin> LOL _ it's so rare!!
[10:00] <omac> Hey my sister is thinking about going for a trip to pheonix arizona.
[10:00] <drspin> omac: I live in Phoenix ;)
[10:00] <regeya> It was a wet year here by the Mississippi R., and I was sort of looking forward to arid conditions :-P
[10:01] <omac> Pardon my ignorance but Pheonix is the name of the city right?
[10:01] <regeya> before that though, it had been dry; I left a hotel room bathroom looking like a crimescene.  turns out my nasal passages weren't looking forward to the low humidity as much as I was.
[10:01] <drspin> omac - yes, it's the major metropolitan area for Arizona
[10:02] <setite> anyone know if it is ever planned, if at all possible, to support eax or 5.1 in linux, and namely cedega
[10:02] <omac> I went to Austin a few years ago.  I originally thought Pheonix was also in Texas.  It tells you how much I know my geography :)
[10:04] <drspin> setite: I don't believe there is support for either
[10:04] <setite> pheonix sucks
[10:04] <omac> So are we all drunk for New Year's yet?
[10:04] <setite> my uncle moved from here to there
[10:04] <setite> i went to visit... i was so fucking bored
[10:04] <calamari> drspin: glad to hear you got some rain.. we got some down here in Tucson too
[10:04] <setite> its like an old folks home... in an entire town
[10:05] <drspin> calamari: heh - not too far away!!
[10:05] <drspin> if you were bored in phoenix you had very little imagination...
[10:06] <drspin> perhaps you were in a richie suburb of phoenix and yes those can be boring...
[10:06] <calamari> drspin: have you been to castles & coasters there? what times are the least busy?
[10:06] <setite> nah it wasnt rich at all
[10:06] <setite> i wish it had been
[10:06] <drspin> calamari: I have no idea - never been there
[10:06] <setite> at least i could have flirted with some virginal rich girl
[10:06] <calamari> drspin: saw it when driving to glendale, looked like fun
[10:06] <drspin> calamari: maybe once as a kid...
[10:06] <drspin> I've heard that it is quite fun!
[10:07] <omac> drspin:....yeah I agree.  I heard some say "The best means of travel is via the imagination..."  I travel a lot...in my imagination...
[10:07] <setite> i can travel in my mind while in vegas
[10:07] <setite> then when i return to reality i can hit the strip
[10:07] <setite> or a strip club
[10:08] <setite> or the other many crazy places that are here... but not in phoenix
[10:08] <setite> but yea... i suppose im spoiled living here
[10:08] <calamari> umm.. I think all towns have strip clubs, but why would anyone want to go into one?
[10:08] <setite> i dont go to them.. it was just an example
[10:08] <setite> and sure every town has them
[10:09] <setite> but here there are more
[10:09] <drspin> omac: pick a subject, grab a phone book, and go somewhere!
[10:09] <setite> its actually sad how many
[10:09] <setite> haha... you shouldnt need a phone book
[10:09] <drspin> OMAC: that was for setite
[10:09] <setite> i like to go to the strip... and make fun of people
[10:09] <omac> Going back on topic, does anybody have any advice concerning weird output in xine.
[10:09] <drspin> setite: pick a subject, grab a phone book, and go somewhere!
[10:09] <setite> yes i know it was... but i felt inclined to reply
[10:09] <omac> drspin: no problemo :)
[10:10] <setite> phonebook is no fun
[10:10] <setite> but yea...
[10:10] <setite> xine? whats that
[10:10] <drspin> LOL but the address to hooter's can yield a pretty good time
[10:10] <drspin> or perhaps catch a ballgame (you pick the sport)
[10:11] <drspin> area football is pretty cool live! ;)
[10:11] <drspin> *arena
[10:11] <omac> phonebooks are cool too.  Everytime I go to a new city, the first thing I do when I have some brain-dead time is to look at the yellowpages...all of them.  No reason, I just think I nostalgic I think.
[10:11] <drspin> LOL
[10:12] <omac> To be honest I haven't travelled much.  So much for the yellowpages.
[10:12] <drspin> LOL
[10:13] <omac> ok drspin...how long have you been hangin in ubuntu land?
[10:14] <WebMaven> setite: I'm in Las Vegas too.
[10:14] <Crane> uh oh
[10:14] <WebMaven> setite: you shouldn't make fun of the people on the strip, they're paying our state income taxes.
[10:15] <Crane> ubuntu is installed
[10:15] <Crane> but it didn't find my wireless card
[10:15] <Crane> crap
[10:15] <omac> any ubuntu experts here?  I'm looking for some xine tips...c'mon anyone.  Aunt Tillie?
[10:17] <regeya> aunt tillie is an esr invention, right?
[10:18] <trans__err> when ever mail hits my server it bounces... how can i make sure it goes to the user?
[10:18] <regeya> esr thinks aunt tillie is retarded.  I'm insulted.
[10:18] <omac> Happy New Year and the best of health and happiness to everyone.
[10:18] <trans__err> (from external sources)
[10:18] <regeya> I'm still trying to sort out my CUPS oddities.
[10:19] <regeya> I can print from Qt-based apps, even ones printing straight to CUPS.  I can print using 'lpr'.  I cannot print from GNOME apps (unless going through 'lpr') and cannot print using 'lp'.
[10:19] <trans__err> can anyone help?
[10:19] <regeya> I had installed some official Epson Stylus Photo R800 drivers, and that's when the problems started.
[10:20] <omac> I read the name in the linuxuser magazine I read last night.  I figured I might press someone's button to help me with my ubuntu problems.  I haven't had any success yet.
[10:20] <regeya> xine just works for me, sorry
[10:22] <Crane> should I need to reconfig the kernel to get wireless working?
[10:22] <setite> where can i get those damn magazines in vegas
[10:23] <setite> i havent been able to find them
[10:26] <Nivlem> I just used sound juicer to rip to wav format...what default burning program is installed that will make a audio cd?
[10:26] <setite> haha
[10:26] <setite> doom3 OSP stopped
[10:26] <setite> fucking id software
[10:26] <setite> good theing i dont particularly like that game
[10:26] <sobralense> Nivlem, try installing k3b ...
[10:27] <setite> well iD stopped it
[10:27] <setite> but i imagine the community may continue it
[10:27] <Nivlem> sobralense: Ok but how will it run without kde installed?
[10:28] <sobralense> Nivlem, with apt-get it will install everything ..
[10:28] <drspin> someone asked about 5.1 sound in linux???
[10:28] <Nivlem> sobralense: Ok thanks...will it add it to the menu? Or will I need to search the app name? which is?
[10:29] <drspin> [quote]   The Linux kernel comes with the OSS/Free API, which works great in most cases but lacks multichannel support. You can download a binary OSS/Linux implementation from 4Front Technologies[4] . To sum up, the drivers are 'free for non commercial use'. You can use them to play Doom III. They have great multichannel support, and that's the drivers I used to develop the OSS backend. [quote]  http://www.webdog.org/cgi-bin/finger.plm?id=476&time=2
[10:29] <drspin> whoa that's long --- sorry
[10:29] <sobralense> Nivlem, try "apt-get install k3b "
[10:29] <drspin> someone asked about that earlier
[10:29] <drspin> ;)
[10:29] <sobralense> Nivlem, and then .. "k3b "
[10:32] <drspin> Setie: was it you?
[10:32] <punkrockguy318> how much space is required for a default ubuntu install?
[10:32] <zenwhen> 1.5GB or so
[10:32] <zenwhen> I think
[10:32] <s0cks> I'm still having loads of problems
[10:33] <s0cks> When the hard disk is plugged in, you can't even get into the BIOS setup 0_0
[10:42] <globule> Hi all
[10:42] <Muskrat> hi
[10:42] <drspin> hi
[10:46] <Nivlem> sobralense: Now it complains that it wants to run with root privs...however when I use the sudo password it tells me it isn't correct..what is the correct process to run k3b from the menu item I added?
[10:47] <sobralense> Nivlem, try "su" put the root password and later type "k3b"
[10:48] <Nivlem> sobralense: I am adding the item to a menu...not from command line..
[10:51] <bretzel> Hi there
[10:51] <ObsidianX> hey guys im having a strange installation problem
[10:52] <ObsidianX> im trying to install to the 3rd partition on the drive (i have a few fat32 partitions before it) but it doesnt seem to find anything but the first partition
[10:52] <ObsidianX> it goes into the partitioner and lets me do my stuff to it
[10:52] <ObsidianX> but then when it trys to mount the root (hda3) it fails
[10:53] <ObsidianX> so i checked out the /dev directory in the terminal and it didn't show anything past part1
[10:53] <ObsidianX> in the ide directory
[10:55] <bretzel> ObsidianX: Strange because I've just installed Ubuntu last night and apart from having little trouble make it use an already defined and formated ext3 partition, that's it, I had to reformat that partition. And btw, I do have several kind of partitions sread in two hd's and I have no problem...
[10:56] <ObsidianX> bretzel: is reiser a problem?
[10:56] <ObsidianX> i was using that fs
[10:56] <mcl> Hello everyone... does anyone here know much about configuring X?  I can't seem to get the X server to use any resolution between 1600x1200 and 1024x768
[10:57] <bretzel> I dunno, I dismissed to try out resiserfs... I know ext2/3 are well supported.
[10:57] <gobeavs> I heard that Reiser is faster, so I use it
[10:57] <ObsidianX> reiserfs is what i've used everywhere else
[10:57] <ObsidianX> even on other forms of debian
[10:58] <bretzel> btw, I am here because I would like to know how to use apt-get/deselect or whatever tool to install the big KDE-3.3 world.... Someone know about Debian install tools? because I am used to RPMs ( Fedora-Core/ Mandrake ) I dunno Debian
[10:59] <gobeavs> use synaptic
[10:59] <bretzel> OsidianX: Yes Reiserfs is faster.
[10:59] <mcl> reiserfs is very fast, and quite stable until you get a bad harddrive.  I had some bad blocks on a reiserfs partition and for the life of me couldn't get the reiserfs tools to recover it.  I had to dd the whole thing to a file on a good drive and mount it through loopback
[10:59] <trans__err> sendmail won't deliver local mail... how can i fix that?
[11:00] <punkrockguy318> trans__err, works for me.. hmm
[11:00] <trans__err> punkrockguy318: i've been playing with mine to accept and deliver external mail as well
[11:01] <hannes__> Happy new year!
[11:01] <punkrockguy318> why don't you use smtp?
[11:01] <bretzel> trans_err: Oh! I never get sendmail or anything else to accept external emails to my conputer... :-) I envy you :-)
[11:01] <punkrockguy318> is there anyway to make evolution automatically send/receiev when the program starts?
[11:03] <bretzel> gobeavs: Thanks, but I have to relogin as root :-( XDisplay won't lauch it!! :-) Thus Happy new year all and love for all!
[11:10] <warty> hi guys, there was a bootable cd project full of utilities to check system information, simple benchmarking etc. what was the name of the project?
[11:11] <Ribs> Knoppix
[11:12] <drspin> ubuntu-live-cd
[11:12] <KobrAs-> ubuntu live?
[11:12] <drspin> ;)
[11:12] <KobrAs-> warty, use ubuntu-live, it rocks
[11:12] <KobrAs-> i just got 14 copies :)
[11:12] <bur[n] er> and based on morphix... even cooler ;)
[11:12] <spikeb> lol KobrAs-
[11:12] <Ribs> wtf are you gonna do with 14 copies?!
[11:12] <bur[n] er> frisbees!!!
[11:13] <KobrAs-> sharing with friends :)
[11:13] <sobralense> Ribs, dont U have friends?
[11:13] <sobralense> ehehe
[11:13] <Ribs> no
[11:13] <Ribs> do you?
[11:13] <sobralense> about 15 .. thats why I got 20
[11:14] <KobrAs-> 15 real friends?
[11:14] <sobralense> to share with the friends of friends
[11:14] <sobralense> KobrAs-,  =)
[11:14] <KobrAs-> :)
[11:14] <sobralense> no so much
[11:14] <sobralense> not
[11:15] <drspin> I took a couple copies to work today -- handing them out to a few of my Intel-employed customers ;)
[11:15] <sobralense> but I think those 3 that are using linux ubuntu now are.. =D
[11:21] <drspin> does alien work on ubuntu?
[11:22] <sobralense> warty, hi! Whereis hoary? U'r brother.
[11:22] <sobralense> drspin, does alien exists?!?
[11:23] <drspin> LOL
[11:24] <drspin> http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[11:24] <sobralense> I think only human beings work on ubuntu
[11:24] <sobralense> =) just kidding..
[11:25] <sobralense> people sunddely got quiet here..
[11:28] <warty> hoary went shopping
[11:29] <spikeb> heh
[11:29] <mjr> hmm, is there a ready-made libdvdcss package for amd64?
[11:31] <mjr> apparenly at marillat, hopefully that fits ubuntu
[11:31] <drspin> I was meaning does alien work good enough to use regularly?
[11:31] <setite> mjr hopefully... report back
[11:32] <mjr> yesh, it works
[11:33] <mjr> found the link here: http://debian.video.free.fr/
[11:35] <setite> mjr... awesome
[11:35] <setite> whenever anything works its a good thing
[11:35] <bungle> is it 2005 there yet?
[11:36] <mjr> righto, now to start the year off with lotr: rotk - ee :)
[11:36] <bungle> lol
[11:36] <bungle> its 9:30 here
[11:37] <bungle> jan 1st
[11:37] <mjr> way ahead of me
[11:37] <bungle> lol
[11:38] <bungle> my b/f started work at 12:30 this morning
[11:39] <spikeb> heh
[11:39] <hannes__> 00:38 here
[11:39] <spikeb> police officer?
[11:39] <hannes__> so happy new year to #ubuntu
[11:39] <bungle> console operator
[11:39] <bungle> $22.60 an hour is alright though .. I think :/
[11:39] <spikeb> aye
[11:43] <bungle> lmfao
[11:43] <techn9ne> will linux work w/ this mini soltek qbic custom motherboards?
[11:43] <techn9ne> http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=10743&vpn=EQ-3401A&manufacture=SOLTEK
[11:44] <bungle> linux worked on my soltek board
[11:45] <zenwhen> techn9ne, Ive seen people saying the sound didnt work?
[11:45] <techn9ne> i just dont wanna go out and buy it and have to run windows
[11:45] <bungle> I am sure linux will work fine if you have the time to make it
[11:48] <Ben__> i'm having trouble having the live cd of ubuntu recognize and configure my network card (intel 21143-based pci fast ethernet adapter) does anyone know what to do to make it so internet can be used with this?
[11:51] <calamari> hi
[11:51] <calamari> I'm looking for something similar to rawrite for linux.  any ideas?
[11:55] <calamari> nm.. it's dd I guess :)
[11:55] <techn9ne> Ben__ : I've had problems w/ live cd not recognizing all my h/w
[11:56] <techn9ne> Ben__ : you also can't configure anything that doesnt get setup w/ defualt install
[11:56] <techn9ne> default setup i mean
[11:56] <techn9ne> you cant select a driver manually
[11:56] <techn9ne> you gotta do a full install for that
[11:57] <namaste> 3 minutes to 2005 in germany
[11:57] <techn9ne> its only 3pm here
[11:58] <punkrockguy318> it's 6 here
[11:58] <techn9ne> east coast?
[11:58] <namaste> 2 minutes to 12
[11:58] <punkrockguy318> yup
[11:58] <techn9ne> im in vancouver
[11:58] <punkrockguy318> oh
[11:58] <bungle> lol
[11:59] <bungle> new yrs been n gone in australia
[11:59] <bungle> :P
[11:59] <bungle> it must be exciting
[11:59] <bungle> :P
[11:59] <JanC> damn, fireworks at the neighbours  :-/