[04:54] <enrico> Happy new year!
[12:06] <ChrisH> Happy new one...
[12:44] <enrico> ChrisH: happy happy!
[12:54] <abelli> enrico: buon anno
[12:54] <abelli> buon anno a todos
[12:55] <ChrisH> gracias
[12:56] <ChrisH> enrico: Have you ever tried building debian package on ubuntu? I'm trying pbuilder with "--distribution sid" but end up with dependency errors.
[12:59] <enrico> Buon anno!
[12:59] <enrico> ChrisH: uhm... no, haven't tried yet
[12:59] <enrico> however, I'm puzzled by your case
[12:59] <enrico> If it's pbuilder, it should be distribution-independent, as it creates a chroot
[01:07] <ChrisH> enrico: That's why I thought, too. Do you use pbuilder? Or do you have a sid installation?
[01:11] <enrico> I have a sid installation, but I generally don't use pbuilder (I lack a local mirror and I had a slow laptop)
[01:11] <enrico> Now I have a better laptop, but I still lack a local mirror...
[01:12] <ChrisH> enrico: so you just reboot into sid, update it and build there?
[01:12] <enrico> ChrisH: (I generally use sid, but don't tell anyone :)
[01:12] <ChrisH> enrico: Argh, the dilemma again. :)
[01:13] <enrico> My current problem is trying to share the boot partition between sid and ubuntu, since the rest of the disk is a big LVM volume group
[01:14] <enrico> Once I get to do that, I can have nice elastic partitions with whatever I want hanging around happily together in the hard drive
[01:14] <enrico> If it weren't for the different kernel, I could run ubuntu in a chroot
[01:18] <ChrisH> You could? Even for X stuff? :)
[01:19] <ChrisH> I'd like to have one system for all kinds of work. Like Ubuntu in an X window in Sid. Ubuntu ist really nice at work and for the family. But it sucks if you need to do Sid packages.
[01:27] <ChrisH> I could not even get two partitions working. debian/lilo and ubuntu/grub successfully managed to kill the other distributions boot sector
[01:32] <enrico> ChrisH: sure!  Even for X stuff
[01:32] <enrico> startx -- :1
[01:33] <ChrisH> enrico: perhaps that's a good way to build sid packages that use X in ubuntu...
[01:33] <enrico> ChrisH: you can deboostrap a Debian sid system in a directory and chroot into it
[01:34] <enrico> ChrisH: BTW, Hooray for the new DAM!
[01:34] <enrico> ChrisH: have you heard?
[01:34] <ChrisH> enrico: no... who?
[01:34] <ChrisH> enrico: where did you read that? on debian-flame@l.d.o?
[01:36] <enrico> ChrisH: (suspance...)
[01:36] <enrico> ChrisH: ....
[01:36] <enrico> :)
[01:36] <enrico> ChrisH: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2004/12/msg00277.html
[01:36] <enrico> TA-DAH!
[01:36] <ChrisH> Joerg... nice. :)
[01:37] <enrico> 9 new people got an account yesterday
[01:41] <ChrisH> I'm no position 5 :)
[01:41] <ChrisH> s/no/on/
[01:48] <enrico> ChrisH: I know you'll make it! :)
[01:48] <abelli> enrico: do you use pterm?
[01:50] <ChrisH> enrico: :)
[01:52] <enrico> abelli: uh, no, just gnome-terminal
[01:53] <abelli> because i think i found something similar to a bug
[01:53] <abelli> if u press ""
[01:54] <abelli> and then arrows up-down repeatedly ... the screen gets deleted char by char..
[01:55] <enrico> Cute!
[01:55] <enrico> FAIL A BAG!
[01:55] <abelli> ya
[01:55] <abelli> ehehe
[01:55] <enrico> reportbug is DA ZING!
[01:55] <abelli> ahah
[01:56] <abelli> verflixt
[02:52] <enrico> hello
[02:55] <enrico> I did svn up, then yelp usersguide.xml
[02:55] <enrico> but yelp tells me it can't open the document
[02:55] <enrico> Curious.  If I close other yelps then try again it works
[02:58] <ChrisH> Kinnison: happy gnu one 2u2
[02:59] <Kinnison> Hippy New Beer ChrisH
[03:04] <abelli> ciao Kinnison 
[03:06] <abelli> Kinnison: did you receive the email?
[03:06] <Kinnison> abelli: yes; and I replied too
[03:06] <abelli> is it a known bug.. or isnt it a bug at all?
[03:07] <Kinnison> You've not given me enough data to know if it's a known bug or not yet ;-)
[03:07] <abelli> ahh..ok
[03:07] <abelli> more than photos.. what do you want? ;)
[03:07] <abelli> actually i had a thought about that..
[03:08] <abelli> because you anglo-saxons...
[03:08] <abelli> you have such a restricted alphabet ;)
[03:09] <Kinnison> Charmed I'm sure
[03:10] <abelli> ...
[03:10] <abelli> what do you mean "if you have one and not the other"?
[03:10] <Kinnison> If you have my font choice; but not a unicode locale; or a unicode locale but not my font choice
[03:11] <abelli> ok thank you Kinnison 
[03:12] <abelli> kinnison what's the pterm way for gterminal's --working-directory
[03:12] <Kinnison> How do you mean?
[03:13] <Kinnison> It may not have one
[03:13] <abelli> arghh..
[03:13] <abelli> Perl.. Power..
[03:23] <sivang> Kinnison: happy new year!
[03:23] <sivang> and to all the doc tam
[03:24] <abelli> sivang: thank you for leaving me out
[03:24] <Kinnison> hey sivang ;-)
[03:24] <sivang> abelli: huh?
[03:24] <Kinnison> 
[03:24] <sivang>  !
[03:25] <abelli> i thik my pterm has really some major problem
[03:26] <Kinnison> sivang: How would you translate  then?
[03:27] <sivang> Kinnison: my freind :)
[03:27] <Kinnison> I see
[03:27] <sivang> it's like, "Greetings, My freind"
[03:29] <abelli> sivang: could you please come again with those characters
[03:29] <abelli> ;)
[03:29] <sivang> abelli:   !
[03:29] <sivang> :)
[03:29] <abelli> argh..
[03:30] <sivang> translation: no problem at all!
[05:29] <froud> African Greetings
[05:30] <froud> anybody tried the makefile. I am eager know if there are any problems
[05:31] <hornbeck> I have not tried it
[05:53] <froud> hornbeck, do give it a test
[05:53] <froud> svn up
[05:53] <froud> make ug
[07:24] <sivang> Why do I need channel op to change topic?
[07:24] <sivang> Isn't this a cummunity channel? :)
[07:26] <sivang> ChrisH: could you give me op privs for the channel ?
[07:33] <froud> sivang, ChrisH is annoyed with me when I changed the subject
[07:34] <sivang> froud: yes, but I already asked him about chaning the subject back to the original and he agreed.
[07:34] <froud> Oh well
[07:35] <froud> sivang, hows your shell scripting
[07:36] <sivang> froud: I can pull a couple of them when I need it , a bit rusty at the moment, but working closely to a reference I manage :)
[07:37] <froud> How do I get this type of variable to work
[07:37] <froud> VERSION=`cat VERSION`
[07:37] <froud> tar -czf ubuntu-docs-$(VERSION)-$(RELEASE).tar.gz dist
[07:37] <froud> I get 
[07:38] <froud> Compressing source files ...
[07:38] <froud> tar -czf ubuntu-docs-`cat VERSION`-1.tar.gz dist
[07:38] <froud> tar: Options `-[0-7] [lmh] ' not supported by *this* tar
[07:38] <sivang> something bad with your backtiques
[07:38] <sivang> lemme check
[07:38] <sivang> thsi was supposed to work I think.
[07:38] <froud> that is what I thought
[07:52] <sivang> TEST="`cat VERSION`"
[07:52] <sivang> echo $TEST
[07:52] <sivang> check if this works
[07:56] <froud> sivang, nice. thanks :-)
[07:57] <sivang> froud: no prob :)
[07:57] <froud> ubuntu-docs-WartyWarthog-1.tar.gz
[07:57] <sivang> yes
[07:57] <sivang> if you're unsure, just have the bash do double qutes expansion which means it tries to evaluate eveything inside,
[07:58] <sivang> so then you get the value of the backtiques as if it was a var value.
[07:58] <sivang> plus. TIMTOWTDI
[07:58] <sivang> :)
[07:59] <froud> cool, will this also work if I define SHELL = /bin/sh
[08:03] <ChrisH> sivang: I do know Perl. So I know that acronym. :)
[08:03] <sivang> when you put literals to vars like that, I doesn't do double quote expansion - it just uses the literal as a value.
[08:30] <froud> sivang, you busy now
[08:30] <froud> I want you to test the makefile dist target
[08:38] <froud> Any takers for testing
[08:38] <froud> ?
[08:41] <sivang> I can, sec.
[08:41] <froud> ok
[08:49] <sivang> froud: ok, I can svn'd up
[08:50] <froud> yes, a few small issues but yes
[08:50] <sivang> I did
[08:50] <froud> then do 
[08:50] <froud> make dist
[08:50] <sivang> yes?
[08:50] <sivang> what does the export parm to svn do?
[08:51] <froud> brings a clean printine tree of HEAD
[08:51] <froud> pristine
[08:51] <froud> we dont want the .svn admin folders etc in dist
[08:51] <sivang> ok, good
[08:51] <sivang> It' finished
[08:52] <froud> did it suceed
[08:52] <sivang> has it build the whole thing?
[08:52] <sivang> so fast????
[08:52] <sivang> :)
[08:52] <froud> this is what we need for the yelp part
[08:52] <froud> not sure if the sturcture etc is goo dfor yelp
[08:52] <sivang> so it didn't create html
[08:52] <sivang> or pdf or anything
[08:53] <froud> no
[08:53] <froud> you can run make all
[08:53] <sivang> did it register anything ?
[08:53] <froud> no
[08:53] <froud> not that far yet
[08:53] <froud> :-)
[08:54] <sivang> I am going there and I think I will eventually have an answer
[08:54] <sivang> :)
[08:54] <froud> I just create a tarball of the src
[08:54] <froud> xml only
[08:55] <froud> I dont like the way it is creating the tarball
[08:55] <sivang> why not?
[08:56] <froud> it has the wrong folder and a copy ofthe targ.za inside the tar.gz :-)
[08:56] <froud> I am gonna make a change
[09:01] <froud> sivang, do svn up
[09:02] <froud> delete the dist folder
[09:02] <froud> and old tar.gz
[09:02] <froud> then do make dist
[09:02] <froud> should be much better
[09:05] <sivang> ok, I just did that
[09:05] <sivang> I rm the dist folder
[09:06] <sivang> and reran make dist
[09:06] <froud> ok
[09:08] <froud> I am not sure of the structure etc.
[09:08] <froud> how were the docs packaged last time
[09:11] <froud> perhaps I should also build the HTML is ubuntu-docs
[09:12] <froud> perhaps the structure should be ubuntu-docs
[09:12] <froud>       [VERSION] -[release] /
[09:13] <froud>        xml/
[09:13] <froud>       userguide/
[09:13] <froud>       quickguide/
[09:13] <froud> faqguide/
[09:13] <froud>         faqguide/
[09:14] <froud> something like that or the xml/ should be called yelp/
[09:14] <froud> what do others think?
[09:15] <froud> what about
[09:15] <froud> ubuntu-docs/
[09:15] <froud> 	xml/
[09:15] <froud> 	html/
[09:15] <froud> 		userguide/
[09:15] <froud> 		quickguide/
[09:15] <froud> 		faqguide/
[09:16] <froud> or 
[09:16] <froud> ubuntu-docs/
[09:16] <froud> 	src/
[09:16] <froud> 	html/
[09:16] <froud> 		userguide/
[09:16] <froud> 		quickguide/
[09:16] <froud> 		faqguide/
[09:17] <sivang> we would have to wait and see what pople thik
[09:17] <froud> another
[09:17] <froud> ubuntu-docs/
[09:17] <froud> 	$(VERSION)-$(RELEASE)
[09:17] <froud> 		src/
[09:17] <froud> 		html/
[09:17] <froud> 			userguide/
[09:17] <froud> 			quickguide/
[09:17] <froud> 			faqguide/
[09:18] <froud> the last one is good since we can uninstall easily
[09:19] <sivang> what is the purpose of the ubuntnu-docs dir?
[09:20] <froud> that is what goes in the tarball
[09:20] <sivang> you mean a tarball of installation on other system than ubuntu?
[09:20] <froud> no I mean ubuntu
[09:21] <froud> /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs
[09:22] <froud> Install everything there right?
[09:23] <sivang> yes
[09:23] <froud> so the root folder in the tarball must be ubuntu-docs, right?
[09:24] <froud> This path should contain the src and html, right?
[09:25] <froud> I am thinking that during an upgrade it will be good to have /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs/$(VERSION)-$(RELEASE)
[09:26] <froud> that way we can uninstall old docs and or update to point to new $(VERSION)-$(RELEASE)
[09:26] <froud> ?
[09:27] <froud> b c'ing ya
[09:28] <froud> sivang, please test the make targets and if there are bugs make bugzilla's and assign them to me.
[09:28] <froud> sean@inwords.co.za
[09:30] <sivang> c
[09:30] <sivang> c'ya