[12:00] <namaste> happy new jear!
[12:00] <JanC> happy new year  :)
[12:00] <ogra> happy new ine
[12:00] <ogra> one
[12:01] <hannes__> 01:01 :D
[12:01] <KobrAs_> same here
[12:01] <KobrAs_> happy new year :)
[12:02] <benjami> hi
[12:02] <benjami> theres a way to install ubuntu without gnome?
[12:03] <JanC>  yes
[12:03] <duid> yes expert option at boot
[12:03] <duid> just hit F1 at boot and it has the options.
[12:04] <benjami> ok thx
[12:07] <woonis> After a recent apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade I am unable to start Evolution on Hoary.
[12:07] <e-Jah> BONNE ANNEE ! / HAPPY NEW YEAR !
[12:07] <woonis> Is this a known issue?
[12:09] <techn9ne> does it give you any information if you start from command line?
[12:10] <techn9ne> might be a X conflict 'cause they moved from Xfree86 to x in warty->hoary
[12:10] <woonis> ooh, good call. Let me check.
[12:11] <techn9ne> i was using firefox from hoary and it broke my whole system
[12:11] <techn9ne> x conflicts
[12:11] <woonis> I'm fully on Hoary. Including Xorg.
[12:11] <techn9ne> oh ok i dunno im just speculating
[12:12] <woonis> No info on the command line
[12:12] <techn9ne> try ps aux | grep evolution
[12:12] <techn9ne> see if its running in bg and just crashe
[12:12] <woonis> I looks like the latest evolution is being held back on upgrade because it breaks the ubuntu-desktop meta package
[12:13] <techn9ne> i use the backport project and no problems
[12:14] <woonis> It's kind of fun seeing things change
[12:14] <woonis> Hoary is an adventure
[12:14] <techn9ne> yah if you got a play system
[12:15] <woonis> I'm not familiar with the backports project
[12:15] <woonis> What is that?
[12:16] <techn9ne> they take things from hoary test them certify them for warty
[12:16] <techn9ne> like firefox, firestarter, xchat etc.
[12:17] <techn9ne> if you want all the new stuff but want the stability of warty
[12:17] <woonis> That sounds cool
[12:17] <techn9ne> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[12:18] <woonis> Hoary has some really cool stuff though
[12:18] <woonis> I like the new Gnome
[12:18] <techn9ne> have they done anything to multimedia?
[12:18] <woonis> Particularly the new menu layout
[12:18] <woonis> What in particular?
[12:18] <techn9ne> firefox + embedded video
[12:18] <techn9ne> havent been able to get it work properly since movng to ubuntu
[12:19] <techn9ne> suse it was easy
[12:20] <techn9ne> easy because there was a maintained rpm w/ everything i just downloaded and it worked
[12:21] <woonis> Give me a page to try and I will let you know
[12:21] <techn9ne> http://www.entensity.net/posts/123104/media.php?media=dropit.wmv
[12:23] <zenwhen> beware the y2k5 bug
[12:23] <zenwhen> :O
[12:23] <zenwhen> ( i made it up )
[12:24] <ChrisC_> howdy ... basic question for you all about display configuration ...
[12:24] <sensebend> fire away ChrisC_
[12:25] <ChrisC_> I am currently driving my monitor via the analog output on my video card; how do I tell it to use the DVI output?  I know I can manually edit xfree86config but I figure there must be a GUI tool for that
[12:25] <techn9ne> whats dvi?
[12:26] <ChrisC_> digital video for computer screens
[12:26] <gen> digital video input..
[12:26] <techn9ne> from a video camera or something?
[12:26] <gen> lcd screens techn9ne
[12:26] <ChrisC_> that's why I said "computer screens" :)
[12:27] <ChrisC_> any X config tools to suggest?
[12:30] <ChrisC_> OK, anyone know how to force ubuntu to repeat the display setup process?
[12:31] <ChrisC_> hmmm, what's 'dexconf'?
[12:31] <woonis> techn9ne - That worked
[12:31] <woonis> gxine played it
[12:32] <techn9ne> embeeded in the page?
[12:32] <techn9ne> i can d/l it and play it
[12:32] <zerokarmaleft> ChrisC_, i don't think you choose which output to use with an xfree/xorg config variable
[12:33] <setite> whats the difference between xfree/xorg
[12:33] <zerokarmaleft> ChrisC_, i can switch between the analog/dvi outputs without changing anything
[12:33] <ChrisC_> zerokarmaleft, how?
[12:34] <zerokarmaleft> setite, licensing mainly, iirc
[12:34] <ChrisC_> how exactly do you switch?  or are both turned on for you?
[12:34] <zerokarmaleft> ChrisC_, they're just both active
[12:34] <ChrisC_> setite, google it
[12:34] <ChrisC_> zerokarmaleft, shoot because I get nothing out of my DVI
[12:35] <zerokarmaleft> ChrisC_, what vid card you got?
[12:35] <ChrisC_> MSI FX5700LE (nvidia)
[12:35] <zerokarmaleft> ChrisC_, i'm running a geforce4 ti4200 here
[12:36] <ChrisC_> I did the ubuntu install (and the nvidia driver install) with only the analog hooked up, so I'm thinking the right bits didn't get set up
[12:37] <zerokarmaleft> ChrisC_, there shouldn't have to be anything plugged into the dvi input to setup dvi support
[12:38] <ChrisC_> yeah, I would think ...
[12:38] <bretzel> Hi, Where can I find kde-3.3 for debian ( Ubuntu doesn't seem to have it :-(
[12:39] <techn9ne> bretzel, it wont work as well as gnome. best plan would be to use a kde dist.
[12:40] <techn9ne> its like using gnome in suse.... it works just like crap
[12:41] <gwildor> hello
[12:41] <gwildor> does xmms play .avi files?
[12:41] <gwildor> err, can it?
[12:42] <techn9ne> gwildor, no just audio
[12:42] <Mike_> Hi, folks. Are there any hopes of embedded support for USB modems in Ubuntu?
[12:42] <techn9ne> gwildor, get mplayer or xine
[12:42] <Mike_> At least, some?
[12:42] <gwildor> techn9ne, it paly mpg's too
[12:42] <bretzel> I don't understand because with the proper libs, it works well, it is because I am used to KDE and more especially KDevelop wich I can;t live without,,,
[12:42] <techn9ne> ok i didnt know wht
[12:42] <techn9ne> that
[12:43] <zerokarmaleft> ChrisC_, nothing in nvidia-settings pointing to selecting outputs either
[12:44] <zerokarmaleft> ChrisC_, and i just crashed my xserver testing tuxracer with all the quality settings dimed :/
[12:44] <ChrisC_> zerokarmaleft, thanks' I was just looking into debconf (dead end) and then Option CloneDisplay (seems to be Radeon only)
[12:44] <Zindar> happy new year!
[12:45] <ChrisC_> "all the quality settings dimed"?
[12:46] <zerokarmaleft> ChrisC_, antialiasing, anisotropic filtering, texture sharpening
[12:46] <gwildor> techn9ne, look here     http://www.xmms.org/plugins.php?details=3
[12:46] <zerokarmaleft> ChrisC_, still got over 100fps, X crashed when i exited
[12:46] <ChrisC_> dimmed?  maxed?  disabled?  just curious ...
[12:47] <zerokarmaleft> dimed - put everything to 10
[12:47] <ChrisC_> in nvidia-settings, what does it show for you under Display Device?
[12:47] <zerokarmaleft> i guess that's guitar lingo
[12:47] <ChrisC_> yeah :)
[12:47] <zerokarmaleft> CRT-1
[12:48] <ChrisC_> that's all?
[12:48] <zerokarmaleft> i don't have an LCD to use both outputs at the same time atm
[12:48] <zerokarmaleft> so i can't see what it would show, but i've done it before
[12:49] <ChrisC_> does your analog monitor have dvi too?
[12:49] <zerokarmaleft> nope
[12:49] <ChrisC_> ah.  OK, well, this will be another thing to try differently when I wipe this installation and try again in a few days
[12:49] <setite> hey... does fedora have less apps...
[12:50] <ChrisC_> note to self:  connect monitor to DVI port if that's what you intend to use down the road
[12:50] <setite> ok heres a better question... do some apps not work immediately when newer fedoras are released?
[12:50] <ChrisC_> what is this inferior fedora you speak of? :)
[12:50] <setite> i know its inferior
[12:50] <setite> but i wanted clarification on something that i wasnt sure of when i did use it
[12:51] <techn9ne> i thought redhat wsa great until i used debian and i was like ummm wow wtf
[12:51] <techn9ne> they're charging me big bucks for this?
[12:51] <setite> with the release of fc3... alot of the apps didnt work right
[12:51] <setite> right?
[12:51] <zerokarmaleft> dunno, haven't touched fedora since core 1
[12:51] <techn9ne> if they're not compiled or packaged for fc3 prob.
[12:51] <setite> i cant recall if the apps were just not 64bit... or just not fc3
[12:51] <techn9ne> try asking in #fedora
[12:51] <setite> nah... they annoy me
[12:52] <zerokarmaleft> lol
[12:52] <setite> tech - and as for debian?
[12:52] <setite> and thus ubuntu
[12:52] <setite> new versions compatible with older apps?
[12:52] <setite> ok here is another thing i always wondered abotu open source
[12:53] <setite> ok if an app has picutres and sounds and such that it uses
[12:53] <techn9ne> newer versions arent always compatiable
[12:53] <setite> when you compile the program... are the pictures contained in some way in teh source? or do the actual files need to be included with the source
[12:53] <techn9ne> if fedora is anything like rhel it sucks
[12:53] <techn9ne> ive never used fedora but im using rhel
[12:53] <setite> i dunno abotu rhel
[12:53] <setite> but i hated fc3 for the day i had it
[12:54] <zerokarmaleft> setite, source packages include pngs, wavs etc.
[12:54] <setite> ok thanks sero
[12:54] <setite> zero*
[12:54] <techn9ne> source packages include lots of include files, headers ...
[12:54] <techn9ne> a program contains hundreds/thousands of source files uuslaly
[12:55] <setite> is there a linux equivalent of flashget
[12:55] <zerokarmaleft> search freshmeat.net
[12:56] <scandium> setite, perhaps "downman"?
[12:56] <setite> is that a download splitter?
[12:57] <scandium> no idea, I don't use it, have only heard of it...you can set max. speed for downloads etc...the usual basic stuff ;)
[12:59] <setite> hmmm ok... ill look into it.. im looking for an app that splits file downloads like p2p apps do
[12:59] <setite> to download multiple parts from same source... and thus faster
[01:00] <setite> hmmm... i dont think thats it
[01:02] <scandium> I don't like that splitting into several http stream, mainly because I can wget with many hundred kb/sec just fine, if it's slow, than that's because the server is limiting bandwidth per connection, and if the server does that and only allows 1 connection per IP splitting the stream doesn't help you either
[01:03] <scandium> and if you can open more streams you are fooling the server owner ;(
[01:03] <scandium> ;)
[01:03] <scandium> (since you said from the *same* source)
[01:04] <scandium> setite, can you enlighten me where opening several http streams to the same source is useful for downloading? ;)
[01:10] <scandium> setite, anyway, good luck when looking for such a tool, perhaps you find one before your timezone hits 2005 :)
[01:11] <jacobat> Happy newsy
[01:11] <jacobat> Happy newyear! :D
[01:14] <jivera> Does anyone here use synaptic with ssh x11 forwarding?
[01:15] <jivera> The moment I click 'settings' in the menu, synaptic crashes with a 'BadWindow' error.
[01:15] <linuxnoob> man this room is full
[01:16] <pepsi_cleaning> room?
[01:16] <drspin> what program can I use to open my illustrator files?
[01:16] <pepsi_cleaning> like a bedroom? a living room?
[01:17] <linuxnoob> I can't seem to get ubuntu to install
[01:17] <pepsi_cleaning> why not?
[01:17] <pepsi_cleaning> what happens
[01:17] <linuxnoob> I get the following error debootstrap program exited with an error (returned value 1)
[01:17] <linuxnoob> I looked in var/log
[01:17] <linuxnoob> and it's empty
[01:18] <linuxnoob> I'm installing this on a sony vaio laptop with one partition with windows xp the other for ubuntu
[01:18] <linuxnoob> 2 partitions :)
[01:18] <pepsi_cleaning> you need a swap partition too
[01:19] <pepsi_cleaning> i dunno.. ive never installed linux on the same hd as windows
[01:19] <linuxnoob> yeah I hate windows but want it as a backup
[01:19] <pepsi_cleaning> use vmware
[01:20] <linuxnoob> so I should create another partition by splitting the ubuntu one
[01:20] <linuxnoob> I'd love to have the option of both os
[01:21] <linuxnoob> and have seen on the ubuntu boards that people do it
[01:21] <pepsi_cleaning> i really dont know how you would do it.. if i had to do that myself, id wipe the drive for linux, and create an extra partition for windows
[01:21] <pepsi_cleaning> instead of trying to keep windows intact while installing linux on another partition
[01:21] <linuxnoob> the idea of reinstalling all my windows junk doesn't appeal to me :)
[01:21] <pepsi_cleaning> hehe
[01:21] <pepsi_cleaning> thats just it though
[01:21] <pepsi_cleaning> dont reinstall it
[01:21] <linuxnoob> :)
[01:21] <linuxnoob> that's why I'm here
[01:22] <linuxnoob> thoughs
[01:22] <linuxnoob> are all of the other users comatose?
[01:22] <pepsi_cleaning> i guess
[01:22] <linuxnoob> :)
[01:22] <linuxnoob> thanks for the input pepsi
[01:22] <linuxnoob> I may go try the partition idea
[01:22] <pepsi_cleaning> yeah.. sorry i cant help you more
[01:22] <zapada> hey
[01:22] <linuxnoob> hi zapada
[01:23] <zapada> I got my ubuntu cds today!
[01:23] <pepsi_cleaning> yay
[01:23] <linuxnoob> congrats
[01:23] <zapada> nice, except I need to get a hardware modem :(
[01:23] <zapada> or drivers
[01:23] <linuxnoob> I ordered mine yesterday :) got antzy and downloaded the iso
[01:24] <jivera> zapada: I did too.
[01:24] <jivera> They're nice.
[01:24] <zapada> yeah
[01:24] <zapada> they need to change the cover a bit... guy without shirt is... heh
[01:24] <linuxnoob> I'll try the partition and brb God willing
[01:25] <jivera> At least it's not the one where they're all completely nude. =X
[01:25] <linuxnoob> yeah if that came with nude I'd switch to fedora
[01:25] <zapada> fedora... ewww
[01:26] <maximaus> zapada, what kind of modem do you have?
[01:26] <zapada> AOpen
[01:26] <linuxnoob> I'm runnin fedora for a dedicated server
[01:26] <linuxnoob> pain in the arse
[01:26] <maximaus> zapada, you wouldn't happen to know the chipset?
[01:26] <zapada> I can get it
[01:26] <zapada> I already searched, no linux drivers for it
[01:26] <maximaus> :(
[01:26] <zapada> I found this generic connexant
[01:27] <zapada> but I never tried to get that to work
[01:27] <zapada> it was only 14k
[01:27] <zapada> this was when I had mandrake
[01:27] <maximaus> I used that for a couple years, works better than my new hardware modem
[01:27] <zapada> it was a 14.4k trial though
[01:27] <maximaus> yeah, I used mine with 'drake and payed for the full version
[01:27] <maximaus> excellent drivers
[01:27] <zapada> AOpen h
[01:28] <zapada> AOpen FM56-SVV
[01:28] <maximaus> That's greek to me :/
[01:28] <zapada> is it
[01:28] <zapada> that's the model
[01:28] <zapada> how do I get chipset?
[01:28] <maximaus> I got a new USB sporter external on Ebay for 11USD with shipping.
[01:28] <maximaus> Chipset? Google I guess
[01:29] <maximaus> USR I mean
[01:29] <nicedreams> maximaus: use this command 'lspci'
[01:29] <zapada> its a conexant chip
[01:29] <nicedreams> maximaus: it will tell everything you need to know
[01:29] <nicedreams> if only windows had that
[01:29] <zapada> Chipset: Conexant CX11252-11 single chip HSFi V.92
[01:29] <maximaus> nicedreams,  it's zapada who needs the drivers
[01:30] <nicedreams> oh
[01:30] <maximaus> :D
[01:30] <nicedreams> i just joined and saw his post first
[01:30] <nicedreams> sry max
[01:30] <nicedreams>  :)
[01:30] <maximaus> Like I'm sooo angry. :P
[01:30] <nicedreams> lol j/k
[01:30] <maximaus> Yeah the HSF drivers from Linuxant work brilliantly.
[01:30] <zapada> ok
[01:30] <zapada> where can I download it?
[01:31] <maximaus> BUT, I couldn't get them to work with Ubuntu, so perhaps somebody's got a hint for that.
[01:31] <zapada> :/
[01:32] <zapada> maybe I can try the drivers on SuSE
[01:32] <maximaus> Ohmer, I think you can compile them if you install kernel-source or whatever Ubuntu called them.
[01:32] <maximaus> I compiled them on Mandrake once--it's very easy
[01:32] <zapada> <-- n00b to linux
[01:32] <maximaus> http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/?PHPSESSID=438abdec98f701430f45020c7b05c3d6
[01:33] <maximaus> zapada, it's beyond easy to compile--you basically read the README file with the drivers and run the installer from the commandline, answer four questions and you're done.
[01:33] <zapada> heh nice
[01:34] <zapada> does the install CD have more software than the live?
[01:34] <zapada> the live CD looks like it lacks some stuff
[01:35] <maximaus> It probably does--I just use it to demo linux for folks. ;)
[01:35] <jivera> I think the install cd installs everything you see on the live cd, but maybe I'm wrong.
[01:36] <exlt> quick question on controlling services - is the "correct" way to disable 'update-rc.d foo remove' - and does 'update-rc.d foo defaults' add back the proper Sxx Kxx links? <- where do the defaults come from - I do not see them in the init scripts...
[01:36] <zapada> at the linuxant site, I seem to be going in circles looking for the free download
[01:36] <jivera> exlt: I thought there's a gnome app that lets you configure that.
[01:36] <jivera> (Sorry, I'd check but I'm not running Ubuntu myself; just trying to admin my sister's box which is.)
[01:37] <exlt> jivera - let's say I'm not on the console and shelled in  ;)
[01:37] <maximaus> zapada, look on the left side of the page
[01:38] <maximaus> zapada, under the red text "HSF (softmodem) driver"  you'll see "download"
[01:38] <zapada> aha
[01:38] <zapada> now which one do I download?
[01:39] <maximaus> it's toward the bottom, the source one.
[01:39] <zapada> generic eh
[01:39] <zapada> what do I do with the DPKG format?
[01:40] <maximaus> well, if you have both the kernel-source and the gcc compiler installed
[01:40] <maximaus> you type at the command line: "sudo dpkg --install 	hsfmodem_7.18.00.02full_i386.deb
[01:40] <zapada> ok
[01:41] <maximaus> Then set up your connection using "sudo pppconfig" at the command line.
[01:41] <exlt> ooh, I found the reference to defaults used with update-rc.d foo defaults - all are sequence 20 unless specified - hmm.
[01:41] <maximaus> The gui modem configurator seems borked.
[01:42] <maximaus> Good luck zapada, I've gotta go holler at the new year. ;)
[01:42] <zapada> heh, ok thanks man
[01:46] <WeedVender> Im having problems displaying Video on Totem
[01:46] <WeedVender> its a divx
[01:46] <WeedVender> audio plays ok though...
[01:46] <zapada> where would I put hsfmodem_7.18.00.02full_i386.deb?
[01:48] <exlt> zapada -> dpkg -i hsfmodem_7.18.00.02full_i386.deb
[01:48] <exlt> or use some gui thing with gnome
[01:49] <WeedVender> ?
[01:49] <zapada> um yes...
[01:49] <zapada> but where do I put that file?
[01:49] <zapada> in /
[01:49] <zapada> or /root/
[01:49] <zapada> or something
[01:49] <exlt> wherever you like
[01:50] <zapada> and hwo will the command know where to find it?
[01:50] <zapada> can I put it in /mnt/hda5?
[01:50] <exlt> dpkg -i /full/path/to/hsfmodem_7.18.00.02full_i386.deb
[01:50] <zapada> ok
[01:50] <zapada> that explains it
[01:50] <zapada> that exact code?
[01:51] <zapada> dpkg -i?
[01:51] <zapada> or dpkg --install?
[01:51] <exlt> that is the same as dpkg --install
[01:51] <zapada> ok
[01:51] <exlt> short flag or long one
[02:06] <exlt> what is the favored CD burning tool for gnome?
[02:06] <GoneBoB> nautilus
[02:06] <exlt> ahh
[02:06] <exlt> hah!  there it is - cool
[02:07] <GoneBoB> yeah
[02:07] <GoneBoB> only useful for burning files and isos
[02:07] <GoneBoB> but very easy to do that
[02:07] <exlt> that's ususually all I'm doing
[02:07] <GoneBoB> convenient isn't it :)
[02:08] <exlt> well - does it handle vcd images?  doesn't look like it
[02:08] <GoneBoB> no
[02:08] <exlt> maybe time to build dvd::rip
[02:09] <setite> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39146113,00.htm
[02:09] <setite> read that
[02:09] <setite> that is funny
[02:09] <setite> "Once the migration was completed, though, there were concerns that the open-source software would be harder to use than Windows. Again, Schwbisch Hall had a solution.
[02:09] <setite> "We put the chairwoman of our workers' council on stage in front of all the municipal workers, and showed her using the new system. After that, we found that no man would say that he couldn't use his PC now that everyone knew a woman could do it," revealed Bruner."
[02:12] <GoneBoB> setite: :)
[02:18] <exlt> thank you for mutt by default  :)
[02:21] <usual> hi
[02:25] <exlt> jivera - exporting your display or tunelling?
[02:25] <jivera> exlt: Tunneling wasn't working, so now I'm trying to setup DISPLAY to directly render to my box.
[02:26] <exlt> why not just use aptitude from a shell - I just finished updating that way
[02:27] <jivera> Because I'd rather use synaptic. :)
[02:27] <exlt> or apt-get update / upgrade
[02:27] <exlt> hehe
[02:31] <linuxnoob> hey pepsi - got it
[02:31] <linuxnoob> I was installing it wrong
[02:32] <exlt> ok - SMP works now
[02:32] <zapada> ...ok
[02:32] <zapada> I got an error
[02:32] <linuxnoob> an error? installing?
[02:33] <zapada> while trying to install my linuxant drivers
[02:33] <jivera> Geez, no apps on Ubuntu like to run via ssh x11 forwarding...
[02:33] <zapada> ERROR: /lib/modules/2.6.7/build points to a missing directory
[02:34] <linuxnoob> I have no clue zapada :(
[02:34] <linuxnoob> my modem isn't working on my install yet
[02:36] <zapada> ubuntu doesn't have wine?
[02:37] <exlt> probably in universe
[02:37] <linuxnoob> don't know
[02:39] <linuxnoob> does anyone know of any troubleshooting tools for my modem?
[02:40] <xevil> linuxnoob what model and type of modem?  it's not a winmodem, is it?
[02:41] <drspin> how do I burn mp3/ogg files to an Audio CD in linux, not an mp3 CD ;) ??
[02:41] <linuxnoob> it is a conexant-ambit
[02:42] <drspin> ?
[02:42] <zapada> get k3b
[02:43] <zapada> its like your nero
[02:43] <linuxnoob> cool
[02:43] <linuxnoob> I'll have to get that
[02:43] <linuxnoob> do you get it with apt-get?
[02:43] <zapada> beats me
[02:43] <zapada> lol
[02:44] <zapada> im more of a n00b than you
[02:44] <linuxnoob> lol
[02:44] <drspin> apt-get install k3b
[02:44] <linuxnoob> thanks doc spin
[02:44] <drspin> sudo apt-get install k3b
[02:44] <drspin> ;)
[02:44] <setite> apt-get is your god now
[02:44] <linuxnoob> I'm in xp now I'll do that once I get my flipping modem working
[02:44] <zapada> http://www.k3b.org/
[02:44] <drspin> I'm looking for some kind of alternative...
[02:45] <zapada> linuxnoob: you know what I do?
[02:45] <zapada> I emulate my linux
[02:45] <zapada> and create a bridged network
[02:45] <wesm> OK, so I followed the custom kernel instructions on the wiki (the ones that have you apt-get source linux-source-2.6.8.1 and then run dpkg-buildpackage on it)...
[02:45] <zapada> so my emulated linux distro shares my 2000 internet connection :D
[02:45] <linuxnoob> emulate my linux?
[02:46] <zapada> its a little slow, but it works
[02:46] <zapada> yeah
[02:46] <zapada> get vmware
[02:46] <linuxnoob> damn
[02:46] <Adrenal> but...wheres the point?
[02:46] <linuxnoob> never heard of that
[02:46] <Adrenal> it defeats the purpose of using linux
[02:46] <zapada> its running 2 OS's at once
[02:46] <Adrenal> still security flaws
[02:46] <wesm> and I modified the config to be Pentium4 proc instead of just 686 (modified the 686-smp flavour), but now I need to build linux-restricted-modules
[02:46] <Adrenal> its like running knoppix
[02:46] <zapada> Adrenal: duh, but what else you supposed to do when you got no internet on linux
[02:46] <wesm> how do I do that correctly?
[02:46] <linuxnoob> didn't ubuntu install with vmlinux
[02:46] <Adrenal> only slightly more gutsy
[02:46] <Adrenal> zapada:bridge with another comp, or router
[02:46] <wesm> right now it always says "invalid module format" after I build them
[02:46] <linuxnoob> I saw it flash up
[02:47] <linuxnoob> when I started installing
[02:47] <zapada> Adrenal: with my same comp
[02:47] <pepsi> is evolution broken for anyone else?
[02:47] <zapada> have 2 OSs running at once on my comp
[02:47] <wesm> pepsi: in hoary?
[02:47] <zapada> linux running through vmware which is installed on my windows 2000
[02:47] <pepsi> yeah, hoary
[02:48] <wesm> pepsi: yeah, it was, until today
[02:48] <linuxnoob> ic zapada - I have a dual boot with xp
[02:48] <pepsi> yeah, i saw they updated it today
[02:48] <pepsi> and i updated
[02:48] <pepsi> but its still broken
[02:48] <wesm> pepsi: i had to let it uninstall the exchange plugin to update everything else
[02:48] <zapada> linuxnoob: not a dual boot
[02:48] <zapada> running 2 operating systems at one time
[02:48] <zapada> and flip between linux and windows
[02:48] <wesm> pepsi: and then it fixed my problems (mostly SSL and SMTP-auth related)
[02:48] <Adrenal> when using jabber for msn. how do i change my display name?
[02:48] <wesm> pepsi: what sort of problems are you having w/ it?
[02:49] <pepsi> wesm: it wont start
[02:49] <wesm> pepsi: ew, that's a good 'un
[02:49] <linuxnoob> I think if I ran 2 os @ the same time my laptop would go up in flames
[02:49] <wesm> pepsi: haven't seen that on mine, sorry...
[02:49] <zapada> lol probably
[02:50] <linuxnoob> I'll be back shortly - thanks for help everyone
[02:50] <wesm> pepsi: have you tried creating a new user and then launching it as that user (so it has a clean config)?
[02:50] <pepsi> no
[02:50] <wesm> pepsi: just to see if it's your config or not...
[02:50] <drspin> how come ./configur doesn't work for me?
[02:50] <drspin> ./configure
[02:51] <zapada> I have perfect idea: I'll run ubuntu live at a school computer!
[02:51] <wesm> has anyone built a custom linux-restricted-modules before?
[02:55] <pepsi> aha.. i reinstalled evolution, and it updated some other library when i did that
[02:55] <pepsi> now it works
[02:55] <wesm> pepsi: kick ass
[02:56] <Adrenal> coke:kicks more tail
[02:56] <wesm> haha
[02:56] <Adrenal> ahah
[02:56] <wesm> so, has everyone started drinking in the new year yet? (i have)
[02:56] <GoneBoB> Sat Jan  1 12:57:33 EST 2005
[02:57] <wesm> GoneBoB: HAPPY NEW YEAR!
[02:57] <Adrenal> Saturday January 1 2005 -- 01:57:04pm +00:00
[02:57] <Adrenal> old news buddy
[02:57] <GoneBoB> wesm: for 13 hours ago :)
[02:57] <GoneBoB> I've already been to bed, slept and got up again
[02:57] <wesm> Adrenal: shit man, it's only 7:00pm here on the 31st!
[02:57] <Adrenal> lol
[02:58] <Adrenal> its like where on some...ball
[02:58] <Adrenal> i really big ball
[02:58] <Adrenal> where time is different in different places
[02:58] <wesm> Adrenal: whoah dude, you might be right...
[02:58] <Adrenal> i think this was on the twilight zone once
[02:58] <GoneBoB> HERESY
[02:58] <wesm> my point is this: since it's still early on the 31st *here*, you should all still be drinking...
[02:58] <AngryCatholics> BURN HIM
[02:58] <AngryCatholics> BURN HIM
[02:58] <zapada> wesm, you in hawaii or something
[02:58] <AngryCatholics> ...but...its...true
[02:59] <wesm> nope, Denver Colorado
[02:59] <zapada> cya later guys
[02:59] <wesm> GMT -7 (I think, stupid daylight savings)
[02:59] <JumpyHedgehog> hi folks.  i installed ubuntu on an old dell box but had to use "linux pci=off" to get the install program to mount my install cd.  now that ubuntu is installed it is ignoring my ethernet card.  how should i got about getting things working?
[02:59] <zapada> HAPPY NEW YEARS FELLOW UBUNTIANS!
[03:00] <ObsidianX> heh, im not quite an ubuntian yet
[03:00] <ObsidianX> :P
[03:00] <Adrenal> well, time for me to get my subway on
[03:01] <Adrenal> later guys, have a good one
[03:01] <bretzel> Is the unbuntu default nvidia-kernel module has opengl accelrated capabilities ?
[03:03] <JumpyHedgehog> does anyone know how to get hedgehog to go through the hardware detection process again?  thanks!
[03:16] <bretzel> Oh-ho! I need a apt source repo for kde anyone knows which???
[03:17] <bretzel> hello ?
[03:18] <justdave> universe?
[03:18] <justdave> I see lots of kde stuff in universe
[03:20] <bretzel> universe ? what url ? Are you making fun of me ??
[03:20] <GoneBoB> bretzel: no, the universe repository
[03:20] <GoneBoB> contains all the debian packages
[03:21] <bretzel> ok sorry :-) but I dunno about the universe repo... where to setup that entry, URL ?
[03:22] <robertj> is gnome-app-install going to have an "Install security updates automatically no matter what" option?
[03:22] <robertj> err update-manager
[03:22] <bretzel> Excuse me for my ingorance but It is my very first day with a Debian base dist...
[03:22] <robertj> (sorry, got my apps crossed ;)
[03:22] <robertj> bret: /etc/apt/sources
[03:22] <bretzel> :-) tnx...
[03:22] <robertj> the line that has main restricted whatever should say main restricted universe multiverse if you want all the apps
[03:22] <robertj> of course as you go from left to right you go from more to less supported
[03:23] <robertj> the plus side is that universe and multiverse have all the games and stuff, most of which still work
[03:25] <bretzel> good I just uncommented the lines with universe at the end... Should be ok now ? anyway I am retrying :-) thanx again
[03:26] <justdave> anyone know a good drive-testing program for linux?  (media, not filesystem)
[03:26] <bretzel> err: output from apt-get install k3b ( as I read upward): Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe
[03:26] <GoneBoB> badblocks
[03:28] <bretzel> duh!!!!! Forgot to update ( apt-get update) -- Tse I am Debian newbie
[03:29] <bretzel> Oh! It is about to install kde3.2 not 3.3 ...
[03:31] <jivera> Hum... the debian-marillat apt archive is worthless for a new warty installation...
[03:32] <robertj> bretz: Ubuntu doesn't exactly pride itself on KDE support
[03:33] <bretzel> robert: Thus, as Debian other repoitries is kde more supported ?
[03:33] <jivera> marillat's mplayer testing package depends on libggi2 2.0.5, but warty has 2.0.4.
[03:33] <jivera> (Along with a bunch of other dependencies.)
[03:36] <bretzel> What can I do when apt-get fails ( in my specific case : courrier-imap;pop etc...) packages install failure ? I have selected ( through synaptic) those pkg but it seems to fail to install courrier-servers stuff...)
[03:37] <usual> will hoary gstreamer be able to play dvd's
[03:37] <robertj> bretz: dunno
[03:38] <robertj> bretz: apt-get update to make sure your repos are current
[03:39] <bretzel> Robertj: Of course I did... after the thrid failure! :-):-) but know I see kde installed... But only kde-3.2.3 -- doh-- I wich to have kde-3.3.2 because of KDevelop which I can't live without :-)
[03:40] <dhega> I installed the fglrx-driver with apt-get .. And it worked just fine, but when i tried to install the new ones everything went bad. What did i do wrong? after the upgrade i just got fglrxinfo "MESA driver etcetc" :/
[03:40] <robertj> bretzel: hrmm, if there are no 3.3.2 repos you may be up the creek
[03:41] <bretzel> Oh! an other question: How can I get the kernel source to be able to install the accelerated nvidia drivers ( need compilations ) ??
[03:42] <robertj> bretz: apt-cache search nvidia|grep modules shows that there is a restricted modules package
[03:42] <dhega> Anyone with an ATi card here?
[03:42] <robertj> also nvidial-glx and nvidia-kernel-common are showing up
[03:42] <robertj> so my guess would be not to monkey with the src unless you need to
[03:43] <Seba> quien habla espaol en este foro-chat
[03:43] <robertj> although you can use make-kpkg or whatever it's called to build the whole debian kernel complete with modules
[03:43] <dhega> God, i wish i had a nvidia card :/
[03:43] <robertj> me too, I bought a 9200 PCI for my dad for $32 from CompUSA
[03:43] <bretzel> robertj: bah! I think I will be ok with 3.2 - about nvidia: ubuntu as is isn't setup with the accel driver of nvidia or I am missing something with your hint ?
[03:43] <robertj> sure beats onboard video
[03:44] <robertj> bretzel: I don't think it is, I dunno
[03:44] <robertj> I don't have an nvidia card installed
[03:44] <dhega> bretzel: i dont think so
[03:44] <dhega> robertj: you dont happen to know how to get the newest ATi drivers installed ? :>
[03:44] <robertj> dhega: sorry, nope
[03:45] <dhega> grr ok :/
[03:45] <robertj> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=ATI seems like it might help
[03:45] <bretzel> btw I do see those pkg installed ( nvidia modules ( kernel, common etc) but I don't think it is opengl accelerated... I need to see what modules are actually loaded...
[03:46] <robertj> that also has nvidia instructions
[03:46] <enanos> hi
[03:46] <robertj> bretz: lsmod|grep nvidia
[03:46] <dhega> robertj: yea that works well, but that drivers are not the newest from ATi and doom3 doesnt run well on em /
[03:46] <robertj> dhega: dunno then
[03:46] <dhega> oki oki
[03:47] <robertj> bretzel: what do you use kdevelop for?
[03:48] <robertj> brb, downstairs for caffeine
[03:49] <bretzel> Wow! I need to restart X and see what happened -- se you soon ( I Hope! :-)
[03:49] <robertj> back
[03:58] <robertj> any luck bretzel?
[03:59] <Arnia> Hi, is there any way to get around the mono dependency bug in Hoary or will I just have to wait for the packages to be fixed? :)
[03:59] <dhega> Version 2.4 of the Linux kernel is required for this driver. This kernel version is installed as standard in many current Linux distributions. Support for the newer version 2.6 kernel is under development and should be available in a future release.
[03:59] <dhega> 
[03:59] <dhega> Lol
[03:59] <bretzel> Oh my ! What a enjoyable day!!!! I am extremely thankful to all you ( roberj, and oops can't recall who else! :-) )
[03:59] <robertj> so what do you use kdevelop for?
[03:59] <dhega> Is it worth it to change from 2.6 kernel to 2.4 just to use the ati drivers?
[04:00] <bretzel> Oh yeah robertj: I am just finishing testing BzFlag! :-) so smooth... ( hi FPS )
[04:00] <robertj> dhega: I'd be wary, Ubuntu has never shipped a 2.4 kernel
[04:00] <robertj> AFAIK hal/dbus/fam/etc will all break
[04:01] <dhega> robertj: think i will switch back to win again then, this ati drivers driving me crazy
[04:01] <jivera> dhega: No, because proprietary drivers blow.
[04:01] <robertj> I play my games on Windows for the most part
[04:01] <bretzel> robertj: Theese days I use KDevelop for console app ( hahaha ) programming : see http://ncdk.sf.net  - Thus I am dependent of KDevelop for its easy automake management; auto-complete code...
[04:01] <dhega> oki
[04:01] <dhega> jivera. what drivers to use?
[04:02] <jivera> dhega: Does 'vesa' not work?
[04:02] <dhega> jivera: well not with 3daccel
[04:02] <jivera> Or the open source radion or nv?
[04:02] <jivera> Er, radeon.
[04:02] <jivera> (Whicever's appropriate for you.)
[04:02] <robertj> ahh
[04:02] <jivera> (Ugh, my typing is horrid.)
[04:03] <robertj> btw, you need a new theme ;)
[04:03] <isaacz> has anyone here tried to install Ubuntu on a sgi 320?
[04:03] <robertj> I recommend ThinGeramik, Crux, and Gartoon for the gnome side
[04:04] <jivera> isaacz: Is that x86, amd64, or powerpc?
[04:04] <isaacz> x86
[04:04] <jivera> Oh... dunno then.  I was expecting MIPS or something.
[04:06] <bretzel> robertj: Did youread what I use KDevelop for ?
[04:06] <robertj> yeah
[04:06] <robertj> ;)
[04:06] <bretzel> sry - ;-)
[04:07] <crimsun> isaacz: the only thing offhand I can think of that might throw the installer is the graphics card
[04:10] <rm6990> isaacz: could u list the hardware specs please....but quickly, i have to go in a minute :)
[04:10] <bretzel> ...And I read that Debian was difficult to setup compared to user-friendly distro such as Mandrake;Fedora;SuSE... It is the very first time I install nvidia glx mod without any manual config! ( such manual copy the nv stuff to /etc/udev .. etc...)
[04:11] <isaacz> sgi 320 dual 500mhz
[04:12] <robertj> bretzel: Ubuntu is doing good things for Debian
[04:14] <bretzel> robertj: Oh yes! You don;t know how I feel right now enjoying a Debian real community linux OS.
[04:14] <robertj> Debian is a real community, it's just different
[04:15] <bretzel> ? real community or - different ? I don't really get it - excuse my poor english culture :-)
[04:16] <robertj> Ubuntu is Debian made easy
[04:16] <bretzel> What I ean is that by community I think really together for together ( funny:realy what ubuntu says :-)
[04:17] <bretzel> What I mean I ( misstyping )
[04:18] <robertj> Ubuntu is great but the community is still formative. Many people overlook the fact that the percentage of the community that contributes as well as consumes is very small
[04:18] <cyberirc> Hi, can Ubuntu install packages meant for Debian?
[04:19] <robertj> Frankly, I'm glad Ubuntu has money pouring in. It's a problem every distro has, but it's one that can be ignored indefinately as long as money keeps coming in and the benevolent dictators are benevolent ;)
[04:19] <rm6990> isaacz: sorry, im back, anyways, i mean full specs (eg. video card, sound card, network card/modem, mother board...) pretty much as much as you know
[04:20] <aj> robertj: technically, at the moment it has capital that it's exhausting, not revenue flooding in ttbomk :)
[04:20] <robertj> aj: ahh
[04:20] <robertj> aj: btw, is there a projected 0 day on that?
[04:20] <bretzel> .. that's true.
[04:21] <robertj> there's not an endowement is there ;)
[04:21] <isaacz> rm6990 are you familiar with the 320's and 540's
[04:21] <isaacz> ?
[04:21] <aj> robertj: doubt it, i'd give it another six months before anyone starts really worrying, another year after that before it crashes and burns / changes completely if no one comes up with some way to fund everyone
[04:22] <aj> robertj: but that's complete punditry, which is to say bs :)
[04:22] <robertj> yeah
[04:22] <rm6990> isaacz: not really, but dont sgi's latest machines use standard x86 parts such as nvidia video cards, realtek network cards, eg?
[04:23] <bretzel> ok I have to close all before my wife wake up and slap my head - we're 31th Dec2004... so very happy new year 2005 to all, fast healing to Asian ppl ...and thanks again see you next year. ( tomorrow ) ;-)
[04:24] <isaacz> rm6990: heh.. there latest machines are several years old and the only thing really standard about them are the cpu's.
[04:24] <rm6990> isaacz: hmmmm....yeah, im not too familiar with sgi at all. have u tried a linux live cd to see how it will work?
[04:25] <robertj> I don't know of an sgi-based livecd
[04:26] <rm6990> robertj: it is an x86 computer....it just doesnt use standard x86 parts...but it might still work
[04:26] <robertj> oh
[04:26] <robertj> maybe then
[04:26] <rm6990> rm6990: may as well try, it's not like it costs anything ;)
[04:27] <rm6990> *robertj/isaacz: (i dont normally say stuff to myself)
[04:27] <isaacz> heh they dont support cdrom boot :P
[04:28] <robertj> really?
[04:28] <rm6990> isaacz: how old are these computers?
[04:28] <cyberirc> Hi, can Ubuntu install packages meant for Debian?
[04:28] <dhega> cyberirc: yes
[04:28] <jivera> Yes and no.
[04:28] <crimsun> cyberirc: use the ubuntu equivalents from ubuntu's repos
[04:28] <rm6990> cyberirc: it is generally not a good idea, it hasnt worked for me in the past
[04:28] <cyberirc> When was Ubuntu first released?  This is the first time I have heard of it.
[04:29] <crimsun> cyberirc: october 2004
[04:29] <rm6990> cyberirc: a couple of months ago.....in october i believe
[04:29] <robertj> released every 6 months
[04:29] <rm6990> cyberirc: so the next version is due out in april
[04:29] <isaacz> really.. doesnt have vga support either.
[04:29] <cyberirc> So this OS is only 2 months old?
[04:29] <robertj> and the next in october
[04:30] <rm6990> cyberirc: yes...but it is based heavily on debian, which is over 10 years old
[04:30] <crimsun> isaacz: the only thing that will bother you is the graphics support.
[04:30] <jivera> cyberirc: Ubuntu is 2 months old, but it's based on the packages from debian's archives, and employs many of the debian and gnome developers.
[04:30] <cyberirc> Where are their headquarter located?  Or their country of origin.
[04:30] <rm6990> isaccz: would u use te command line primarily then?
[04:30] <rm6990> cyberirc: south africa
[04:31] <cyberirc> How friendly is it?  As SuSE/Mandrake/Fedora?
[04:31] <jivera> You sure South Africa?  I thought Canonical is incorporated in the UK.
[04:31] <robertj> cyberirc: depends
[04:31] <crimsun> jivera: it is the UK.
[04:31] <robertj> uneven, better tahn all the above in some, worse in others
[04:31] <rm6990> yes...just as friendly (of course this is my opinion, some people will say more friendly some will say less(
[04:31] <jivera> cyberirc: Try the live CD and see for yourself.  The installer's still a little rough around the edges, but I think it's pretty nice.
[04:31] <robertj> I think it will be fully cought up by October
[04:32] <cyberirc> Okay, I will give the live-CD a try.  Thanks for all the help.
[04:32] <robertj> Some stuff thats really needed has slipped from Hoary
[04:32] <rm6990> crimsun: dont they have some sort of base in africa?
[04:32] <robertj> not all technical
[04:32] <crimsun> rm6990: http://www.canonical.com/
[04:32] <rm6990> robertj: what has slipped from hoary?
[04:32] <robertj> AFAIK HardwareDatabase is going nowhere fast
[04:33] <robertj> also is Ultra Pimp BootSplash going to go in?
[04:33] <crimsun> usplash needs more developers
[04:34] <cyberirc> What is the relationship between Canonical and Ubuntu?
[04:34] <cyberirc> Canonical an OS too?
[04:34] <jivera> Canonical funds Ubuntu developers.
[04:34] <jivera> *development.
[04:34] <rm6990> think of canonical as red hat and ubuntu as fedora, same sort of idea
[04:34] <jivera> No, Canonical is a legal entity and company.
[04:34] <jivera> Right.
[04:34] <robertj> and own all the Copyright assignments and stuff I would imagine
[04:34] <rm6990> except ubuntu isnt a beta for canonicals other products like fedora
[04:34] <cyberirc> Okay, thanks.
[04:35] <robertj> also it's not bloated to kingdom-come
[04:37] <rm6990> robertj: lol, yeah, i know, fedora is horrible in that respect...it lasted all of 45 minutes on my machine.....yum is also a very horrible program and it crashed and screwed up my rpm system while i was installing apt believe it or not
[04:37] <Cloudchaser> happy new year everyone!
[04:37] <robertj> I have a hate/hate relationship with yum
[04:37] <rm6990> so i gave up and put ubuntu back on
[04:37] <maximaus> rm6990, I used apt quite successfully on fedora, but it was slowww.
[04:37] <rm6990> Cloudchaser: happy new year
[04:38] <jivera> yum's so unbelievably slow too :/
[04:38] <rm6990> maximaus: apt on fedora works quite well (at least with fedora 2, not sure about 3) yum just wouldnt install it for me
[04:38] <maximaus> LOL
[04:38] <rm6990> why does yum insist on redownloading the package lists everytime you go to install a package?
[04:38] <socomm> Anyone having issues with java on hoary?
[04:39] <maximaus> I just installed the dag wieers rpms from the command line and they worked great--even the sources were set up perfectly
[04:39] <crimsun> socomm: runs fine here.
[04:39] <crimsun> socomm: (jdk 1.5.0 update 1, x86)
[04:39] <maximaus> anybody know how to use a home partition on a usb key when booting the live CD?
[04:39] <rm6990> socomm: are you installing it from a download from java.com, or a precompiled binary for ubuntu
[04:39] <socomm> rm6990: Sun.com
[04:40] <rm6990> socomm: which java version, 1.5 update 1 or 1.4.6?
[04:40] <socomm> java version "1.4.2_05"
[04:41] <socomm> Java never launches the applets or applications.
[04:41] <rm6990> sorry, not 1.4.6....i meant 1.4.2_06....you should also upgrade to that, it has a security patch not applied in 1.4.2_05
[04:41] <rm6990> socomm: is it in ur path?
[04:41] <socomm> Yes only been having problems as of this afternoon, when I dist_upgraded hoary.
[04:43] <rm6990> socomm: that is the reason i stick with warty...java is important for me with school and it has a tendancy to break easily so i try to stay with stable versions of distros
[04:43] <robertj> rm: thats why it's time to get a chroot going ;)
[04:44] <socomm> rm6990: Fortunately Java isn't that important for me, I just wanted to use azureus and play some java games.
[04:44] <socomm> I'm gonna install _06 see if that fixes things.
[04:45] <rm6990> socomm: i do my school thru correspondance at this point in time, and a lot of it is done online (much better than snail mail) and with my physics courses all of the little interactive demos are written in java
[04:45] <maximaus> I just recycled my java install from fedora, only had to re-symlink the executable to /usr/local/bin and the plugin--and it all worked fine. :)
[04:45] <rm6990> i guess it could be worse, they could have been written in .NET or some other proprietary MS format
[04:46] <rm6990> socomm: go to www.java.com, it is easier to find then on sun's site
[04:46] <socomm> rm6990: I've all ready downloading, extracting as we chat.
[04:46] <syamajala> hi i'm trying to get ubuntu setup in virtual pc
[04:46] <syamajala> but it says it didn't detect an ethernet card
[04:46] <rm6990> socomm: lol, n/m then
[04:47] <jivera> syamajala: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.0656256783
[04:47] <jivera> Oh wait, that doesn't help with networking. :/
[04:48] <syamajala> i think its supposed to use tulip
[04:49] <socomm> Bleh. No dice.
[04:50] <robertj> tulip is fine in debian
[04:50] <rm6990> socomm: what is it doing?
[04:50] <linuxnoob> anyone have any tips to get a modem to work?
[04:50] <crimsun> tulip is fine in ubuntu *, too
[04:50] <rm6990> maybe a library that java relies on is currently broken in hoary?
[04:50] <socomm> It just loads up the executable in to memory and stalls in the run process.
[04:51] <rm6990> what does it show in the terminal, post in into pastebin
[04:52] <socomm> java -cp :Azureus2.jar:swt-mozilla.jar:swt-pi.jar:swt.jar -Djava.library.path=/usr/local/bin org.gudy.azureus2.ui.swt.Main ''
[04:52] <rm6990> socomm: have u tried more than just azureus in java?
[04:52] <rm6990> like web plugins, limewire, etc.?
[04:52] <crimsun> azureus's web site recommends you use java 1.5.0 update 1
[04:52] <socomm> Yes java applets same results.
[04:53] <socomm> Just a grey background and a java cup and stalls forever.
[04:53] <rm6990> crimsun: is java 1.5.0 update 1 still a beta?
[04:53] <crimsun> rm6990: no
[04:53] <crimsun> build 1.5.0_01-b08
[04:54] <rm6990> hmmmm....should i upgrade from 1.4.2_06....or is there any reason to at this point?
[04:56] <crimsun> I can think of reasons not to upgrade if you're a java developer
[04:56] <crimsun> if however you simply use certain java apps, then there's really no reason to not upgrade if you're on x86
[04:57] <crimsun> for instance, I use 1.4.2_06 on my dev boxes because I work with Globus
[04:57] <rm6990> hmmmm....ill probably do that later. anyways, im off for now, tty all l
[04:58] <robertj> is there a gnome disk copy app anywhere?
[04:59] <socomm> Disk copy?
[05:00] <socomm> Same results with java 1.5.0_01.
[05:06] <crimsun> then it's not java related
[05:06] <crimsun> d'oh
[05:10] <ObsidianX> hey, im planning on installing MEPIS and then updating to ubuntu...
[05:10] <ObsidianX> what do i need to change in the apt preferences files to get it to point to ubuntu correctly
[05:11] <crimsun> get rid of everything except for the warty lines
[05:11] <rm6990> hi, just a quick question, just downloaded java 1.5.0_01 and i want to symlink the java plugin to my firefox plugins folder....under the plugin/i386 folder inside the main java folder, which folder contains the file i link to??? (the possible choices are ns7 and ns7-gcc29)
[05:11] <ObsidianX> crimsun: well mepis points to the debian info
[05:11] <ObsidianX> and i want to change it to ubuntu
[05:11] <ObsidianX> and from what i've seen
[05:11] <ObsidianX> 'stable' 'testing' 'unstable' are not the same in ubuntu
[05:11] <crimsun> ObsidianX: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted    deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[05:11] <rm6990> ObsidianX: that might not be a good idea...i dont think mepis and ubuntu are compatable
[05:12] <ObsidianX> rm6990: what do you mean
[05:12] <ObsidianX> its a debian system
[05:12] <ObsidianX> as is ubuntu
[05:12] <ObsidianX> im just going to change the packages from the debian source to the ubuntu source
[05:12] <rm6990> yes, but the ubuntu devs say that ubuntu isnt even fully compliant with debian sources, let alone sources from say mepis or knoppix
[05:13] <jivera> ObsidianX: Saying it's a debian system doesn't really mean much.
[05:13] <rm6990> just like mepis isnt compatable with knoppix or debian, not fully anyways
[05:13] <crimsun> ObsidianX: I just gave you the two deb lines
[05:13] <sensebend> why not just install Ubuntu?
[05:13] <ObsidianX> oh wait.. i think i know where you're going with this
[05:13] <ObsidianX> sensebend: i tried
[05:13] <sensebend> or stick with MEPIS
[05:13] <ObsidianX> it wouldn't work
[05:13] <ObsidianX> i dont like the debian package list
[05:13] <sensebend> did you md5 checksum your media?
[05:13] <ObsidianX> way too conservative
[05:14] <rm6990> the debian package list too conservative?
[05:14] <jivera> ObsidianX: Debian stable?
[05:14] <ObsidianX> i did a "Verify CD" within the cd
[05:14] <crimsun> instead of rationalising, ObsidianX, just use the two lines I gave you, thanks :)
[05:14] <rm6990> it is like the biggest list of em all
[05:14] <robertj> hrmm odd, no sound, esd does not beep when started
[05:14] <ObsidianX> crimsun: it'll work in mepis?
[05:14] <crimsun> ObsidianX: they're for ubuntu warty. they have nothing to do with mepis. it IS after all what you asked for.
[05:14] <ObsidianX> true,
[05:15] <rm6990> sorry, not trying to be rude, but i must run again in a minute so ill ask again :)
[05:15] <ObsidianX> but i have another source list that differs slightly from yours
[05:15] <jivera> Why does Ubuntu use both OSS and ALSA?
[05:15] <ObsidianX> rm6990: no problem
[05:15] <crimsun> jivera: ...it doesn't by default.
[05:15] <ObsidianX> jivera: i ran Gentoo for a while, ALSA has OSS emulation
[05:15] <ObsidianX> you need both for compatibility
[05:15] <ObsidianX> but i dont think you can have both the ALSA and the real OSS server running at the same time
[05:16] <rm6990> what do i symlink to, the libjavaplugin_oji.so from the ns7 or the ns7-gcc29 folder to get it to work with firefox?
[05:16] <rm6990> (java im talking about)
[05:16] <crimsun> rm6990: ns7
[05:16] <rm6990> alright, thank you
[05:16] <jivera> I suppose snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss are the oss emulation layers?
[05:16] <rm6990> what's the difference (thats always confused me)
[05:17] <crimsun> jivera: snd-pcm-oss is the kernel module that provides direct hardware access to apps requesting alsa's oss emulation, yes
[05:17] <crimsun> rm6990: -gcc29 is compiled with gcc-2.95.x
[05:17] <crimsun> rm6990: the other is compiled with gcc-3.2
[05:17] <rm6990> ah, ok, i see...lol, duh (my brain doesnt work at this time when i havent slept that well the night before)
[05:18] <rm6990> anyways, thx again and im off, tty all later
[05:19] <ObsidianX> jivera: until the entire GNU community switches to ALSA there will be OSS emulation
[05:19] <jivera> Do you think gnome's volum control in hoary will be fixed to not show both alsa and oss sound options for the same soundcard?
[05:19] <ObsidianX> jivera: just go into a terminal and run alsamixer
[05:19] <ObsidianX> and then fix it there
[05:19] <jivera> ObsidianX: Huh?
[05:20] <ObsidianX> and then leave the OSS sound volumes alone (although they should reflect the alsa settings)
[05:20] <jivera> No, gnome's volum control shows two tabs: one for OSS and one for alsa.
[05:20] <jivera> I think they should get rid of the OSS one.
[05:21] <crimsun> jivera: that will depend if snd-pcm-oss is loaded
[05:21] <crimsun> jivera: you're welcome to submit a patch for gnome-media :)
[05:24] <jivera> Oh, how do I watch a DVD with totem?
[05:24] <ObsidianX> jivera: use xine
[05:24] <crimsun> jivera: you'll probably have better luck with 'totem-xine' from the 'universe' repo
[05:25] <jivera> crimsun: I installed libdvdcss2, but I can't get totem to select the DVD.
[05:26] <jivera> Oh, you use Edit->Preferences to choose which device "Play Disc" refers to?
[05:26] <jivera> brb
[05:26] <ObsidianX> crimsun: you need libdvdcss libdvdread libdvdplay libdvdnav
[05:26] <ObsidianX> (libdvdplay is optional)
[05:26] <ObsidianX> nav is for the menues
[05:27] <ObsidianX> css just decrypts data coming in from read
[05:28] <crimsun> ObsidianX: I think you mean jivera.
[05:29] <humanfellow> Happy New Year folks.
[05:29] <ObsidianX> i've got 3 and a half hours ;)
[05:30] <ObsidianX> crimsun: ah yes :P
[05:30] <GoneBoB> It's mid afternoon on the first here
[05:30] <humanfellow> I hate New Years. lol
[05:31] <humanfellow> One thing it does though is assure the sheep massives all go to one place.
[05:31] <ObsidianX> hahaha
[05:31] <jivera> ObsidianX: All the rest are already installed.
[05:31] <ObsidianX> jivera: do you have mplayer?
[05:31] <jivera> ObsidianX: No, it won't install on Ubuntu.
[05:32] <ObsidianX> why is that?
[05:32] <jivera> Unfulfillable dependencies.
[05:32] <humanfellow> I am having a problem. How do I get Ubuntu to recognize the Apple key on my PowerBook as a 'right click.'
[05:32] <humanfellow> Right now I have no right click
[05:32] <ObsidianX> jivera: what dependencies
[05:32] <jivera> A dozen or so.
[05:33] <Quest-Master> Agh.
[05:33] <jivera> Depends: libartsc0 but it is not going to be installed
[05:33] <jivera>   Depends: libfribidi0 but 0.10.4-3 is to be installed
[05:33] <jivera>  Depends: libggi2 but it is not going to be installed
[05:33] <jivera>   Depends: libpng12-0 but 1.2.5.0-7ubuntu1 is to be installed
[05:33] <jivera>   Depends: libungif4g but 4.1.0b1-6 is to be installed
[05:33] <Quest-Master> Now that I can't use Windows.
[05:33] <Quest-Master> I need GRUB back. Fast.
[05:33] <Quest-Master> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9757
[05:33] <jivera> So says synaptic.
[05:35] <jivera> (Okay, 5 not 12.)
[05:36] <humanfellow> I think I am the only one in the world without a gmail account
[05:36] <jivera> totem seems to want to access the device directly if it's not mounted, but the automounter insists on remounting the dvd everytime I choose 'play disc'.
[05:36] <ObsidianX> humanfellow: want an invite?
[05:37] <ObsidianX> :P
[05:37] <phyberoptix> i have 4 invites
[05:37] <cherie> happy new year!
[05:38] <phyberoptix> but i got 27minutes
[05:38] <cherie> allmost!
[05:38] <phyberoptix> i got the 5gram blunt to smoke all myself when it hits 12
[05:38] <humanfellow> Obsidian, that would be awesome!
[05:38] <phyberoptix> i seen gmail on ebay
[05:39] <phyberoptix> $0.99 each
[05:39] <ObsidianX> /msg me your email address
[05:39] <bungle> lmfao
[05:39] <ObsidianX> phyberoptix: thats rediculous :P
[05:39] <ObsidianX> they're going public free when its done arent they?
[05:39] <phyberoptix> really
[05:39] <cherie> I'm huggin my Jagermeifter
[05:39] <phyberoptix> all the good names are gone anyway
[05:39] <cherie> lol
[05:39] <sensebend> yeah ObsidianX, I use it for mailing lists
[05:40] <sensebend> gmail is great for that purpose
[05:40] <sensebend> rather than filling my personal inbox
[05:40] <phyberoptix> i got gettux@gmail.com
[05:40] <phyberoptix> and phyberoptix@gmail
[05:41] <cherie> anyone ...anyone...at all ,.havin a good time?
[05:41] <cherie> it's almost the new year here!
[05:43] <jivera> ... totem's documentation seems wrong... it describes 'play dvd', 'play vcd', and 'play cd' (none of which I see), but not 'play disc'.
[05:43] <GoneBoB> old docs
[05:46] <phyberoptix> im smoking a phat blunt for new years
[05:48] <phyberoptix> .....................................................................................................
[05:48] <stuNNed> phyberoptix, congratulations, don't get too confucius.
[05:49] <paulproteus> I wonder if "No illegal stuff" should be in the channel here.
[05:49] <GoneBoB> depends what country they're in
[05:50] <phyberoptix> i live in bermuda
[05:52] <Poprocks> hey all -- when ubuntu boots up tons of unneeded modules get loaded -- how can I disable these?  I've tried adding them to the /etc/hotplug/blacklist to no avail.  I've also checked /etc/modules, but the unneeded ones are not listed in there
[05:53] <jivera> Poprocks: What modules shouldn't it be loading?
[05:53] <Poprocks> jivera, I want to use ALSA rather than OSS for one thing, but the OSS sound modules get loaded as well
[05:53] <jivera> Poprocks: Actual oss sound modules or snd_{pcm,mixer}_oss?
[05:54] <Poprocks> actual oss sound modules (ie: via82cxxx)
[05:55] <jivera> Hm... that's getting loaded on one of my machines as well (in addition to the alsa modules).
[05:55] <jivera> Dunno...
[05:55] <Poprocks> jivera, so you're using oss too?
[05:56] <jivera> Dunno, I use all the ubuntu defaults.  But it's got both alsa and oss stuff installed it seems.
[05:56] <Poprocks> maybe I'll ask in #debian..
[05:58] <Crane> hello
[06:00] <crimsun> Poprocks: via82cxxx is NOT an oss/free module
[06:00] <crimsun> Poprocks: it is the PCI driver for VIA IDE
[06:00] <crimsun> Poprocks: via82cxxx_audio is the oss/free one
[06:01] <Poprocks> ah, ok... I'd always built it into the kernel before so I never noticed it
[06:01] <crimsun> jivera: ALSA stuff is always prefixed with "snd"
[06:01] <Poprocks> hmm
[06:02] <jivera> crimsun: I know.
[06:02] <Poprocks> well maybe I'm using alsa but everything seems to lead me to believe I'm using oss
[06:02] <jivera> Poprocks: There's an alsa oss emulation layer.
[06:02] <jivera> Too many apps still use oss.
[06:02] <Poprocks> yeah that's fine
[06:02] <Poprocks> but I can't get xmms, for example, to use alsa output
[06:02] <crimsun> jivera: how would you still be using oss stuff in conjunction? (not to be confused with alsa's oss emulation)
[06:03] <jivera> crimsun: Huh?
[06:03] <crimsun> < jivera> Dunno, I use all the ubuntu defaults.  But it's got both alsa and oss stuff installed it seems.
[06:03] <Poprocks> wait a sec
[06:03] <jivera> crimsun: I suppose it's using the oss emulation layer then.
[06:03] <Poprocks> alsa output does work...
[06:03] <crimsun> Poprocks: it had better work, heh
[06:04] <Poprocks> hehe
[06:04] <jivera> I meant that every app I use seems to let me choose alsa, oss, or esd and they all run fine, so I don't really care what's going on.
[06:04] <Poprocks> I can't stand esd
[06:04] <GoneBoB> better off to use esd
[06:04] <jivera> (Though the fact that there are so many equivalent options is rather annoying.))
[06:04] <GoneBoB> jivera: ubuntu uses alsa
[06:04] <Poprocks> I'm going to tell gstreamer to use alsa instead
[06:04] <GoneBoB> but a lot of things are happier using OSS compatability through alsa
[06:05] <sobralense> Gnome default install from ubuntu is using what to play sounds ? esd? arts ?
[06:05] <jivera> GoneBoB: I know, but I don't really care.  Neither does any of my non-technical family members I have setup using Ubuntu.
[06:06] <jivera> I'm just saying, it's confusing when anytime you have a sound output option, there're three choices (esd, alsa, and oss) and none of them seem like the 'correct' choice.
[06:06] <Poprocks> all I know is that esd is the incorrect choice ;-)
[06:07] <Poprocks> and oss just uses alsa anyway... (that modules was confusing me before but I get it now)
[06:07] <jivera> Poprocks: So then why are they listed?
[06:07] <Poprocks> jivera, because they're available?
[06:08] <jivera> Poprocks: But if they're both either inferior or redundant...
[06:08] <Poprocks> well a lot of old apps still use oss and oss only so emulation is sorta still required
[06:08] <Poprocks> esd though, I have no idea
[06:08] <jivera> But if an app is giving you a choice of oss or alsa, it obviously supports both.
[06:08] <jivera> And if alsa is better.
[06:09] <Poprocks> alsa is also newer and not everyone has switched to it yet
[06:10] <Poprocks> I think, after all that, my only problem was a few bad ogg rips (I was getting weird blips and bloops and jumped to conclusions too fast)
[06:14] <crimsun> jivera: the goal is to move to polypaudio to replace esd
[06:14] <huttan> omg. such a fokken headache
[06:14] <crimsun> anyhow, one should not have to worry about sound settings
[06:14] <huttan> happy new year everyone
[06:15] <jivera> crimsun: Except that it's so prevelent in a bunch of media apps; the volume mixer for example.
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> happy new year everyone
[06:15] <crimsun> jivera: did you try unloading snd-pcm-oss to see if the oss tab still appears?
[06:16] <Poprocks> huttan, a Jumbo Jet Headache?
[06:16] <jivera> crimsun: Yes, they go away.
[06:16] <crimsun> (yes, I knew ;)
[06:16] <huttan> Poprocks, hehe. yes. Woke up now it's 6am here in sweden :)
[06:16] <huttan> going to sleep again in a few minutes or so
[06:16] <Hikaru79> Happy new year to GMT-5!! ^__^
[06:17] <jivera> crimsun: It doesn't change the fact that when you install ubuntu, it loads snd-pcm-oss by default, and gnome-volume-control shows tabs for both oss and alsa.
[06:18] <crimsun> jivera: then who's at fault?
[06:18] <jivera> Ubuntu's?
[06:18] <crimsun> why?
[06:19] <jivera> Because they load it by default.
[06:19] <crimsun> and what happens when a user attempts to use an application for which there are no esd/polypaudio/alsa drivers?
[06:19] <GoneBoB> jivera: point well made
[06:20] <jivera> crimsun: Which is why it should be loaded, but is why gnome-volume-control should be able to hide the OSS option if it tells that it's just an alsa emulation layer.
[06:20] <crimsun> should ubuntu refuse to load snd-pcm-oss and thereby deny the application executing correctly?
[06:20] <jivera> No.
[06:20] <jivera> That's not what I'm saying.
[06:20] <crimsun> how is gnome-volume-control to distinguish between an emulated /dev/dsp and a genuine oss /dev/dsp?
[06:21] <jivera> That's not my problem.
[06:21] <jivera> How's it find out the name of the devices?
[06:21] <crimsun> unfortunately by virtue of your complaining about it, it has become.
[06:21] <jivera> I see "VIA Technologies VIA1612A [OSS Mixer] " and "VIA 8235 [Alsa Mixer] ".
[06:22] <jivera> So, somewhere it's interacting with the snd-* modules, right?
[06:22] <crimsun> no, it does not have anything to do with the modules
[06:22] <jivera> It's interacting with the alsa layer, isn't it?
[06:22] <crimsun> through the presence of a "default" output device, yes.
[06:23] <jivera> How's it getting the name of the devices and adjusting the mixer settings?
[06:23] <crimsun> the device names are populated in /proc
[06:23] <crimsun> the mixer settings are available through the control interface
[06:23] <crimsun> or interfaces
[06:23] <phyberoptix>  /EXEC -o MAN MAN
[06:23] <jivera> Is there no way to find out which 'oss' devices are just alsa emulation devices?
[06:24] <crimsun> jivera: there is no reliable method, no.
[06:24] <jivera> crimsun: So I guess they need to add one.
[06:24] <crimsun> for instance, I helped a fellow last week that uses both alsa and oss/free for two different devices (snd-emu10k1 and bttv)
[06:24] <crimsun> how would that addition be made?
[06:25] <jivera> I don't know; I don't know how any of the current interactions are handled, but clearly they are, so why can't a new interface be added?
[06:25] <crimsun> jivera: why can't we just fly to alpha centauri by tomorrow evening?
[06:25] <jivera> Add /proc/oss-emulated for all I care, and have it list the name of OSS emulated devices.
[06:25] <crimsun> no, that's /proc pollution
[06:26] <crimsun> these questions have surfaced before
[06:26] <jivera> So /proc/asound/oss-emulated
[06:26] <crimsun> instead of that, it should just use one interface
[06:26] <crimsun> the application, that is
[06:27] <jivera> So then gnome-volume-control abandons support for oss?
[06:27] <crimsun> will it?
[06:27] <crimsun> I don't think it will simply due to legacy hardware and interfaces
[06:27] <jivera> So what do you mean 'just use one interface' then?
[06:28] <crimsun> the application uses /some/dev
[06:28] <crimsun> that's pretty much what happens now
[06:28] <crimsun> --but what happens if someone hotplugs another audio interface?
[06:29] <jivera> Also, /proc/asound/oss/sndstat seems to list the emulated OSS mixers.
[06:29] <crimsun> these are all issues that developers have to consider that aren't readily apparent to the user
[06:30] <crimsun> jivera: the presence of that file should not mask the appearance of an actual oss mixer tab
[06:30] <jivera> I'm not saying gnome-volume-control shouldn't support multiple sound cards, or multiple protocols, or multiple anything.
[06:30] <jivera> It simply doesn't make sense to have two tabs for one sound card.
[06:30] <crimsun> I agree, but I'm engaging you in thoughts on how to "fix" it
[06:31] <jivera> So what's wrong with gnome-volume-control openning /proc/asound/oss/sndstat and seeing the line for "VIA Technologies VIA1612A" and realize it shouldn't add the "VIA Technologies VIA1612A [OSS Mixer] " tab.
[06:32] <crimsun> I don't see anything wrong with that approach if it's the only sound device
[06:33] <jivera> And how's it not function if there are multiple sound devices?
[06:33] <crimsun> because the first hotplugged oss device will grab /dev/dsp
[06:34] <crimsun> and the sndstat file will not be updated to reflect it
[06:34] <jivera> So sndstat only represents /dev/dsp?
[06:35] <crimsun> and /dev/mixer, but only at the time when alsa devices are populated
[06:35] <crimsun> (and oss timer and sequencer modules, too)
[06:35] <jivera> So what good is putting in more oss devices if you can't access the new ones?
[06:35] <crimsun> but you can access the new ones
[06:36] <crimsun> they're just not reflected in a state file
[06:36] <jivera> Hm.
[06:37] <jivera> Where did you say gnome-volume-control currently gets it's device listings from?
[06:37] <crimsun> let's see.
[06:43] <seabound_penguin> Is Ubuntu something that would be good enough for parents, easy install, and everything works?
[06:43] <jivera> Have you tried the live cd?
[06:44] <seabound_penguin> jivera: Not yet, I'm on a dialup connection, so I wanted to check first.
[06:44] <jivera> The installer's pretty robust, but it doesn't have any easy way of resizing an existing windows partition and it's text-only at the moment.
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> Progeny is pretty nice and has a graphical installer
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> and is debian
[06:45] <seabound_penguin> jivera: That'd be alright, but will it set up things such as printers/scanners and the like right out of the box?
[06:46] <seabound_penguin> nomasteryoda: I'll have to give that a look, thanks.
[06:46] <jivera> seabound_penguin: Dunno, I haven't gotten that far yet.  (I was actually in the process of looking for a good/inexpensive printer for my little sister running Ubuntu.)
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> seabound_penguin, and is upgradable to the final release ...when it comes out
[06:47] <murtaza> any idea of configuring ODBC (DSN) in ubuntu
[06:48] <jivera> murtaza: No clue, sorry.
[06:48] <jivera> crimsun: I've been looking around in both /proc and /sys and I can't figure out where the actual strings gnome-volume-control displays come from.
[06:50] <crimsun> jivera: I'm reading gstreamer docs atm
[06:50] <jivera> Ah.
[06:55] <Quest-Master> Is there a way to restore GRUB from Knoppix?
[06:55] <Quest-Master> Since it's gone now
[06:56] <Quest-Master> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9757
[06:56] <Quest-Master> And I can't boot into Ubuntu, only Windows which is broken
[06:58] <Quest-Master> Love how it goes quiet whenever I ask a question. :D
[07:00] <calc> hmm my clock loses time quite a bit apparently while running
[07:00] <calc> was 2min fast even with ntpdate running
[07:00] <calc> in apparently only 19 days
[07:02] <jivera> Quest-Master: Probably just rerun grub-install and make sure /boot/grub is okay.
[07:04] <Quest-Master> jivera: It asks for a install device.. what might that be? The Ubuntu partition?
[07:04] <jivera> Probably /dev/hda
[07:06] <Quest-Master> /dev/hda3 is my Ubuntu
[07:06] <jivera> Do you use some other boot loader by default?
[07:07] <Quest-Master> I use GRUB.
[07:07] <Quest-Master> Wine destroyed my Windows installation and destroyed GRUB as well.
[07:07] <Quest-Master> All gone
[07:07] <Quest-Master> So I need to restore GRUB to get into Ubuntu.
[07:07] <Quest-Master> Read the topic for more details.. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9757
[07:11] <vladster> that is a little better, who is in tonight
[07:11] <Quest-Master> /dev/hda3 then or /dev/hda?
[07:11] <vladster> Happy Quansa
[07:12] <linux_mafia> quansa?
[07:12] <vladster> I know merry, in the biblical sense
[07:12] <phyberoptix>  .Xauthority not writable, changes will be ignored
[07:12] <phyberoptix> ?
[07:14] <Quest-Master> jivera?
[07:17] <jivera> (Sorry, I was away.)
[07:17] <jivera> Quest-Master: When you boot your computer, what happens?
[07:31] <Quest-Master> jivera: Goes straight to WinXP.
[07:34] <Crane> Quest_Master: have you booted to a live cd and checked that the partition is there?
[07:34] <Quest-Master> It is existant.
[07:34] <Quest-Master> Fully existant, all intact. Only GRUB is missing.
[07:35] <Crane> Quest_Master: are you trying to avoid an install of Ubuntu again
[07:35] <Quest-Master> Sure am.
[07:36] <Crane> Quest_Master: I understand that
[07:37] <spikeb> happy new year!
[07:38] <Crane> happy new year to youtoo
[07:38] <Crane> Quest_Master: have you checked to see if /boot/grub is still there and what the setting are?
[07:39] <Crane> Quest_Master: or did you install to MBR
[07:41] <linuxnoob> man ubuntu is getting me down
[07:41] <Crane> why
[07:41] <linuxnoob> can't get my modem to work
[07:41] <Crane> oh , phone modem?
[07:42] <linuxnoob> yep 56k
[07:42] <linuxnoob> they don't have broadband here
[07:42] <linuxnoob> it sucks
[07:42] <Crane> maybe some one in here can help you, I have no experience with dial up
[07:42] <Crane> sorry
[07:43] <linuxnoob> I followed instructions on the ubuntulinux.org site
[07:43] <linuxnoob> downloaded a debian modem driver
[07:43] <linuxnoob> nothing works
[07:43] <linuxnoob> thanks though
[07:43] <linuxnoob> if it wasn't for a dualboot with xp I wouldn't be online at all
[07:44] <linuxnoob> I had read so many good things about ubuntu but it isn't that amazing so far
[07:44] <Quest-Master> Hm.
[07:44] <Quest-Master> Crane: /boot/grub is still there.
[07:44] <linuxnoob> doesn't play mp3s without extra downloads which I can't do without a modem
[07:45] <Quest-Master> linuxnoob: Have you tried PPP?
[07:45] <linuxnoob> I used pppconfig
[07:45] <stuNNed> what is the file to load special custom things on boot?  i know in gentoo it's local.conf and redhat it's rc.local, does ubuntu have such a file?
[07:45] <linuxnoob> set it up and it doesn't work
[07:45] <Quest-Master> Weird.
[07:45] <linuxnoob> I am pretty sure my modem isn't supported or something
[07:45] <Quest-Master> Crane: you there? Seems like /boot/grub is there but WinXP starts instead of it
[07:46] <linuxnoob> it's a Conexant softk56
[07:46] <Quest-Master> Ah.
[07:47] <Quest-Master> crane: Grub is still there then. :p
[07:47] <stuNNed> bob2, ping
[07:47] <jivera> Quest-Master: When you turn on your computer, do you see anything like "grub booting in 3 seconds, press ESC"?
[07:47] <jivera> (Or do you at least remember that being there originally and know it's not there anymore.)
[07:51] <da_bon_bon> Quest-Master: hey, can u help me with knoppix ?
[07:57] <IBOIC> listen i want to use email encryption on ubuntu
[07:57] <IBOIC> which is the best program to use?
[07:57] <IBOIC> i need the strongest encryption i can get
[07:58] <jivera> gpg
[07:58] <IBOIC> jivera:  And does that support AES?
[07:58] <jivera> Dunno.
[07:58] <IBOIC> and is AES the most secure of all the available encryption algorithms?
[07:58] <IBOIC> hmmm
[07:58] <jivera> Do you actually know anything about encryption?
[07:58] <IBOIC> see someone said that russian crackers hacked AES
[07:58] <IBOIC> just what i read about it
[07:59] <Quest-Master> jivera: nope.
[07:59] <jivera> Then gpg should be sufficient.
[07:59] <jivera> Quest-Master: You don't see it onw or never did?
[07:59] <Quest-Master> GRUB loaded instantly previously
[08:01] <Quest-Master> jivera: Couldn't there be a simply way to make GRUB the MBR? Or something along those lines.
[08:02] <jivera> Quest-Master: Just install grub to the MBR and tell it to use your Ubuntu partition for it's boot config stuff.
[08:02] <Quest-Master> Hehe.. how to do that?
[08:03] <jivera> run grub
[08:03] <jivera> At the grub> prompt, type "root (hd0,2)"
[08:03] <jivera> Then type "setup (hd0)"
[08:03] <Quest-Master> Error 21: Selected disk does not exist
[08:04] <jivera> Did you type hd0,2?
[08:04] <Quest-Master> root (hd0,2)
[08:04] <jivera> Hm.
[08:05] <jivera> Your Ubuntu partition is /dev/hda3 right?
[08:05] <Quest-Master> Yup.
[08:06] <Quest-Master> Or the /mnt/hda3
[08:06] <jivera> Yeah.
[08:08] <da_bon_bon> how do i minimize XMMS to the system tray area ? how do i get global hotkeys in it ?
[08:08] <nicedreams> gxmms
[08:08] <da_bon_bon> nicedreams: whats that ?
[08:08] <Quest-Master> jivera: Is a reinstall of Ubuntu the only way to go?
[08:08] <nicedreams> gxmms puts xmms in your tray in gnome
[08:08] <jivera> Quest-Master: No, you should be able to just reinstall grub.
[08:08] <nicedreams> right click your bar in gnome
[08:09] <da_bon_bon> nicedreams: in kde ?
[08:09] <nicedreams> and add it to your panel
[08:09] <nicedreams> dunno about kde
[08:09] <Quest-Master> jivera: Through Knoppix?
[08:09] <da_bon_bon> nicedreams: and global hotkeys?
[08:09] <jivera> Quest-Master: Yes.
[08:10] <nicedreams> dunno about hotkeys though.  gxmms might work in kde
[08:10] <Quest-Master> grub-install?
[08:10] <nicedreams> it puts the play/stop/etc in your bar though
[08:10] <jivera> Quest-Master: Try this... run 'grub' again and be at the grub> prompt.
[08:10] <jivera> Type 'find /boot/grub/stage1'.
[08:10] <da_bon_bon> anyone have a "Samsung Samtron 56v" monitor here ?
[08:11] <Quest-Master> Error 15: File not found
[08:11] <jivera> Hm... does /mnt/hda3/boot/grub/stage1 exist?
[08:12] <Matrix9> I tried the ubuntu live cd for the first time and got this error: "can't find morphix file system" what does that mean? googling for it didn't help.
[08:13] <Quest-Master> jivera: Didn't work.
[08:13] <jivera> Quest-Master: I thought you said your original /boot/grub directory was still in tact?
[08:13] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[08:13] <Quest-Master> stage1, stage2, and stage3 are all there
[08:14] <Quest-Master> grub says they don't exist though
[08:14] <Quest-Master> Which is weird.
[08:14] <jivera> ... I don't know of any stage3... and there should be a bunch of other files in there too though.
[08:14] <Quest-Master> Oh, no stage 3
[08:14] <Quest-Master> My bad.
[08:14] <Quest-Master> lol
[08:15] <jivera> Do you see device.map, menu.lst, and a bunch of foo_stage1_5 files?
[08:15] <Quest-Master> Yes.
[08:15] <jivera> Okay.
[08:15] <jivera> Did you have a seperate /boot partition?
[08:15] <nicedreams> is there a plugin for xmms that will display what song your playing in gaim?
[08:15] <jivera> No, you couldn't have if /mnt/hda3/boot/grub exists...
[08:15] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[08:16] <jivera> You did?
[08:16] <Quest-Master> No, was just agreeing with you.
[08:16] <Quest-Master> :P
[08:16] <jivera> Oh, okay.
[08:17] <Quest-Master> oh man.
[08:17] <Quest-Master> TIRED.
[08:17] <Quest-Master> :P
[08:17] <Quest-Master> Anyhow.
[08:18] <Quest-Master> I'll probably just have to reinstall Ubuntu tomorrow morning.
[08:18] <Quest-Master> Any last suggestions?
[08:18] <jivera> Not really... if grub's not detecting your filesystem for whatever weird reason, I don't know how to get it back onto the MBR.
[08:19] <Quest-Master> Yeah. :(
[08:19] <Quest-Master> Thanks a lot though.
[08:19] <jivera> No problem, sorry it didn't work out.
[08:19] <Quest-Master> S'okay.
[08:19] <Quest-Master> Good night. :)
[08:19] <jivera> G'night.
[08:21] <jmob> nicedreams: http://guifications.sourceforge.net/Gaim-XMMS-Remote/index.php that might do it
[08:21] <nicedreams> thx
[08:22] <fragment> Anyone here ever use jwm?
[08:22] <jivera> jwm?
[08:22] <fragment> Joe's Window Manager
[08:23] <nicedreams> jmob: that's not what i was looking for
[08:23] <fragment> http://joewing.net/programs/jwm/
[08:23] <nicedreams> in windows you can have winamp display in yahoo what song you are currently playing in your away message
[08:23] <nicedreams> i want to do that in linux and gaim if there is a way
[08:24] <jivera> nicedreams: Just curious, do you think anyone cares what song you're listening to if you're away from your computer. :)
[08:24] <LMunDy> I do ;)
[08:24] <fragment> I was following the Ubuntu small RAM HOWTO thread on the mailing list, and thought JWM might be a good alternative to IceWM, but no package, so...
[08:26] <Matrix9> i'm in the ubuntu shell on the cdrom, it doesn't have a mkdir command, how do i mount a partition in /mnt? i tried mounting to just /mnt and said /mnt in /etc/fstab ?
[08:26] <jivera> You can do 'mount device directory'.
[08:27] <jivera> But, something's wrong if mkdir doesn't exist.
[08:28] <Matrix9> jivera, yeah beats me, died out and said "can't find morphix file system" what does that mean?
[08:28] <nicedreams> jivera, it's not for when your away.  Do you use yahoo?
[08:28] <Matrix9> jivera so i just type 'mount /dev/hda' ?
[08:29] <nicedreams> jivera, there is a lot of creative things ou can do by munipulating things
[08:30] <jivera> Matrix9: No, you type 'mount /dev/hda /mnt'.
[08:30] <jivera> Well, /dev/hdaN where N is some integer.
[08:31] <jivera> nicedreams: You said 'away message'... isn't that by definition for when you're away?
[08:32] <nicedreams> never mind then.  didn't know it was a hard question to ask.
[08:32] <lifeless> jivera: you're trying ubuntu ?
[08:32] <jivera> lifeless: I'm putting it on my sister's PCs.
[08:33] <lifeless> cool
[08:34] <fragment> Anyone ever done a remote CD burn?
[08:34] <jivera> fragment: Something more complicated than ssh+cdrecord?
[08:34] <fragment> ...using DEVICE:x.x.x.x:y,y,y ?
[08:35] <jivera> Oh.
[08:35] <fragment> Sorry, make that REMOTE:x.x.x.x:y,y,y ?
[08:35] <lifeless> Matrix9: that sounds like the live cd, perhaps with a failed burn...
[08:36] <jivera> fragment: I've never used it, but the man pagesmake that look right to me.
[08:36] <jivera> cdrecord -scanbus dev=REMOTE:x.x.x.x:
[08:36] <fragment> jivera: Apparently you can configure cdrecord (and Nautilus, I wonder?) to use another workstation's burner.  I'd love to get that working.
[08:37] <fragment> jivera: Yeah, just came across that for the first time.  Now I'm curious.  :)
[08:38] <Matrix9> jivera, ok that worked, but all i see is the boot partition, i need to access the main partition, so i typed "mount /dev/hda2 /mnt" but it says its not a ext2 or ext3 partition?
[08:39] <jivera> Matrix9: I'd need to know how your partitions are laid out, what types they are, and the mount points to effectively help you.
[08:40] <Matrix9> jivera, how can i find that info?
[08:41] <jivera> Matrix9: Dunno.
[08:42] <jivera> You pretty much need to already know it if mount can't figure it out on its own.
[08:42] <murtaza> need help abt sending mail via evolution
[08:42] <jivera> Were you using xfs, jfs, reiser, or someting else?
[08:43] <jivera> (Something else other than ext2 or ext3.)
[08:43] <fragment> Matrix9: Try 'fdisk /dev/hda' and print the partition map
[08:46] <fragment> Matrix9: 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' should show you the map, and then you should be able to figure out which partition is which.
[08:48] <jivera> Well, that'll let you distinguish ntfs or fat32 from linux, but it won't tell you reiser, ext3, xfs, jfs, etc.
[08:49] <Crane> hello
[08:49] <jivera> Crane: Hi.
[08:49] <Crane> is there any way to return all file to default permissions?
[08:50] <Crane> system wide
[08:50] <jivera> 'default permissions'?
[08:50] <Crane> I was installing wine and screwed up
[08:50] <Crane> now my entire system is set to 777
[08:50] <Crane> everything
[08:51] <Crane> I thought I was changing permissions on a wine folder but noooo
[08:51] <jivera> Hm, I don't know where (or even if) dpkg keeps track of the original permissions...
[08:52] <Crane> crap
[08:52] <jivera>  /var/lib/dpkg/info has all the file listings and their md5sums... but I don't see anything for permissions.
[08:52] <Crane> it's a fairly new install so I don't see a prob reinstalling if I have to
[08:53] <Crane> I sure don't won't the permissions left as they are
[08:53] <jivera> Unless someone else pipes in with a better answer, that probably will be the best answer.
[08:53] <Crane> thats what I thought too
[08:53] <Crane> thanks
[08:53] <jivera> No problem, sorry I didn't have a better answer.
[08:54] <Crane> now I need to go to bed before I screw something else up
[08:54] <Crane> lol
[08:55] <jivera> Why'd Ubuntu change the default MTA from exim to postfix?
[08:57] <Matrix9> fragment, no fdisk command it says...
[09:15] <zenrox> happy hew year
[09:15] <zenrox> new year
[09:16] <fragment> happy new year
[09:17] <zenrox> lol
[09:17] <odo> not very happy here :/
[09:18] <odo> actually today(1.1) is national day of mourning and all the flags are half mast etc. ;P
[09:25] <fragment> odo: Finland?
[09:26] <odo> yes
[09:28] <fragment> http://virtual.finland.fi/stt/showarticle.asp?intNWSAID=6814&group=General
[09:28] <fragment> Ah
[09:28] <fragment> We fat Americans aren't that considerate.
[09:28] <fragment> :/
[09:29] <fragment> At least 51% of us aren't.
[09:29] <snerfu> fat men unite!
[09:29] <snerfu> and then sit back down
[09:29] <odo> haha :P
[09:29] <snerfu> and watch some more tv
[09:29] <fragment> snerfu: Gonna need a bigger chat room ;)
[09:30] <calc> fragment: the dems lost, so maybe you meant 49% ;)
[09:30] <fragment> "Yo mamma's so fat, she takes up two chat rooms..."
[09:30] <calc> the christian coaltion people (far right) are more likely to donate than random dems
[09:31] <fragment> calc: I'm not sure I buy that.
[09:31] <fragment> calc: More likely to donate in general, maybe, but I think less likely to donate to non-Americans.
[09:31] <fragment> calc: Especially non-Christian.
[09:32] <calc> the ones i know of donate lots to other countries already
[09:32] <odo> I donated 30 euros that I was going to use on fireworks to Finnish Red Cross....
[09:32] <Arnia> I know Cafod (Catholic aid charity in the UK) has organised a huge amount of donation...
[09:33] <fragment> calc: That's what credit is for. ;)
[09:34] <fragment> calc: Maybe that's a ;/
[09:34] <calc> hehe
[09:34] <Arnia> Well... its going to take years to sort the mess out, so the money will still get used even if you don't donate immediately
[09:34] <fragment> Two more years on the student loans, then I'm relatively rich.
[09:34] <odo> Arnia: indeed
[09:35] <calc> been without a job for years now so i'm running short
[09:35] <calc> at least without a steady job anyway :\
[09:35] <fragment> calc: where do you live?  What industry do you work in?
[09:35] <calc> texas, tech
[09:35] <fragment> I thought things were going relatively well in Texas?
[09:36] <calc> doesn't seem to be
[09:36] <Arnia> What is scary is the amount of other news that has been lost in this tragedy... over a hundred teenagers died in a fire in a nightclub in Argentina, Iraq's main refinery got attacked by mortars etc... its been an awful week :(
[09:36] <calc> there are a few jobs i will be interviewing for soon, hopefully i will eventually get one of them
[09:36] <st3v3n> i like it
[09:36] <fragment> calc: good luck!
[09:37] <fragment> calc: sincerely
[09:37] <calc> thanks :)
[09:37] <nomasteryoda> Arnia, yea with the prediction of 400K dead... certainly has
[09:37] <calc> i had one offer last month but i had to turn it down due to the circumstances
[09:37] <spikeb> what really sucks is all the aid that's pouring in is getting bogged down
[09:37] <fragment> calc: My wife and I are considering moving back to Alaska, but I'm worried about changing jobs.
[09:38] <spikeb> fragment, word of advice - line up a job BEFORE you move.
[09:38] <calc> moving back to alaska? that sounds like a bad idea ;)
[09:38] <calc> too cold
[09:38] <calc> and yea get the job first
[09:38] <odo> fragment: why not move to Finland instead, almost like Alaska ;)
[09:38] <odo> no mountains though... :)
[09:39] <Arnia> nomasteryoda: I think that prediction is conservative personally... especially after consequential, indirect deaths (disease, injury, immediate famine, lack of water, future lack of crops due to salination of the soil etc)
[09:39] <fragment> spikeb: I heard an interesting story on NPR the other day, interview with a Red Cross worker about problems they'd seen in the past (not necessarily Red Cross problems) about aid not getting where it was needed.  Doctors coming to aid, with no medicine when they got there, etc.
[09:39] <fragment> odo: Good friends of ours recently moved to Bergen.
[09:39] <spikeb> fragment, yeah this tsunami mess is all that and more
[09:39] <odo> calc: Alaska, cold, haha, not.
[09:39] <spikeb> fragment, doesn't help that everything's been destroyed
[09:39] <fragment> calc: We lived there for years, her family is still there, she misses them, etc.
[09:40] <fragment> odo: I've seen -58 F without wind chill.
[09:40] <fragment> odo: Fairbanks, winter of 1989 I think.
[09:40] <calc> fragment: ah
[09:40] <Arnia> I guess we should be glad (small comfort as it is) that this isn't as bad the earthquake in China that killed *everyone* in an area so that no one knew for weeks
[09:40] <odo> give that in real units(C) and I can tell if its cold :P
[09:40] <fragment> odo: heheh, just a sec...
[09:40] <spikeb> final toll might be near that earthquake
[09:41] <odo> -58 degrees Fahrenheit = -50 degrees Celsius aparently
[09:41] <Arnia> I wouldn't be surprised
[09:41] <odo> google saves the day :)
[09:41] <MyKe3> hello i have a problem to connect the internet ( i m useing a router wich connect to ADSL modem ) and i m sure that the problem is with my UBUNTU network configurtions ....   is there any wizard that can guide me ? like the one i had on the installtion ?
[09:41] <calc> -50C sounds a bit cold
[09:41] <fragment> It is.
[09:41] <odo> it is abit cold
[09:41] <calc> actually from what i have read Alaska regularly gets to -50C
[09:41] <Arnia> What worries me is that the US is insisting on having control of the aid distributions
[09:41] <spikeb> i live in wisconsin, we used to get the worst of all worlds
[09:42] <Arnia> And I'm scared that this will be used for political ends
[09:42] <fragment> Around -40 C you think if it got any colder you would never know.  Then it does, and you can.
[09:42] <spikeb> not so much any more, the weather has changed DRASTICALLY since i was a child.
[09:42] <odo> we might get something like that in once a winter...and most northern parts only...but -30C is normal
[09:42] <fragment> calc: Not regularly.  Maybe with wind chill.
[09:42] <calc> you would die if you went outside in -50C wouldn't you?
[09:43] <fragment> calc: Non-coastal regions are like Minnesota or something in the winter.  Coastal regions, you might as well be in Vancouver, BC.
[09:43] <calc> the coldest i recall it ever being here is -13C
[09:43] <odo> calc: you could die if you go outside when it is -1C if not wearing enough clothing
[09:43] <fragment> calc: Unless you're north of the arctic circle.
[09:43] <calc> odo: not near instantly :)
[09:43] <fragment> odo: Yeah, -30 C is pretty normal for Fairbanks, Alaska.
[09:43] <st3v3n> it's -20F here
[09:43] <st3v3n> fucking sucks
[09:43] <fragment> odo: In winter. ;)
[09:43] <odo> I live about 200km south of arctic circle :)
[09:43] <calc> so you can go outside without special headgear in -30C and lower?
[09:44] <st3v3n> i've gone out with wet hair in that weather
[09:44] <spikeb> who the hell goes outside int eh winter in below zero weather without a hat and scarft?
[09:44] <spikeb> scarf
[09:44] <Arnia> I guess I should be glad the UK never gets that cold :)
[09:44] <st3v3n> it's not that bad after your used to it
[09:44] <fragment> calc: I recommend a parka, and I used to wear a neoprene facemask at around -20C and lower if I was going to be out a lot, but you can just grin & bear it, or wear a scarf.
[09:44] <MyKe3> and i thought that  21C is cold ....
[09:44] <fragment> calc: Actually, don't grin.  It's murder on the teeth.
[09:45] <calc> fragment: heh
[09:45] <odo> Arnia: I'd rather have -30C here than -10C at UK :)
[09:45] <fragment> Snowmobile trails get hardpacked, like concrete.
[09:46] <fragment> odo: I'm with you there.
[09:46] <spikeb> im not sure i want to stay where i am much longer
[09:46] <spikeb> i don't like where the weather appears to be headed
[09:46] <calc> whenever it goes below 0C here everything shuts down
[09:46] <fragment> odo: Fairbanks is a long way from the ocean, so in the winter it's very, very dry, so -20 C is nothing.
[09:46] <odo> Arnia: reason: we KNOW that it is cold and heat our apartments/houses acordingly...but in UK...what heater?-)
[09:47] <spikeb> heh its around zero here and im sitting inside sweating
[09:47] <Arnia> odo: Never even gets that cold... unless you're living in the north-east (as I do for half each year) then you don't go below -1 very often
[09:47] <fragment> calc: That's what I love about here (Washington state).  1 cm of snow and everything stops.
[09:47] <Arnia> odo: And every house I've lived in and visited has been heated properly (of course I hate heat and love cold so my opinion may be biased ;)
[09:47] <odo> Arnia: love cold, eh? ;)
[09:47] <fragment> calc: I used to push snow with my bumper on the way to work.
[09:48] <odo> fragment: yep, dry -20C isn't bad at all
[09:48] <Arnia> odo: Mild cold at least (down to -6 or so)...
[09:48] <odo> but I live next to a ocean...and one of the most windy places in Finland ;P
[09:48] <odo> Arnia: hehe :)
[09:49] <calc> fragment: heh, they don't have snow plows that far north?
[09:49] <calc> it snows maybe 1cm here once a decade
[09:49] <Arnia> odo: Weather in the UK is just mild all round... reason why the countryside is so impressively green :)
[09:50] <fragment> calc: Working for the schools.  The general rule of thumb was -40F with wind chill or too much snow for the snow plows to clear before the first bus run and it was a "snow day"
[09:50] <spikeb> bah
[09:50] <odo> Arnia: yep
[09:50] <spikeb> more like crap all around
[09:50] <fragment> calc: So we'd often be pushing snow with the bumper, going the opposite direction of the snow plows.
[09:50] <calc> heh
[09:50] <fragment> calc: Pass them on the way to work.
[09:51] <Arnia> odo: plus we actually get weather here (rather than just climate ;)
[09:51] <fragment> Arnia: heheheh
[09:51] <spikeb> degrees of fog/rain is weather?
[09:52] <calc> below 20C is cold :P
[09:52] <fragment> Arnia: The U.K. is impressively green.
[09:52] <odo> Arnia: well, let's see. We have day length varying from 4h to few days here. We have everything in between a hot summer day and a worst blizzard you can imagine :)
[09:52] <Arnia> spikeb: It isn't foggy very often (that is a myth), it isn't always raining. It rarely rains huge amounts... it just spreads itself out over the entire year randomly :)
[09:53] <spikeb> heh
[09:53] <calc> of course i managed to lock myself out of my house with just shorts on in 4C which was really cold (to me anyway) :)
[09:53] <fragment> Arnia: I went to Birdsoswald in June and even the green in the pictures is unbelievable.
[09:53] <odo> Rain is annoying, snow is fun :)
[09:53] <Arnia> Birdsowald?
[09:53] <spikeb> rain that turns into ice is annoying.
[09:53] <Arnia> odo: I like rain... it smells fresh and makes things pretty later :)
[09:53] <calc> odo: how hot?
[09:53] <fragment> Arnia: Up near the western end of Hadrian's Wall.
[09:54] <spikeb> i hate being rained on
[09:54] <spikeb> and i'm too retarded to get an umbrella
[09:54] <odo> Arnia: thunder showers are nice but constant rain for hours isn't
[09:54] <Arnia> fragment: Ah... weird Cumbrian territory then :) As someone who lives in the north-east I distrust them ;)
[09:55] <odo> calc: 25C to 30C in the summer is quite much...considerring that no one has AC on their houses... ;P
[09:55] <Arnia> Probably Carlisle
[09:55] <calc> odo: heh
[09:55] <fragment> Arnia: heheh
[09:55] <calc> the extreme range here is -13C - 43C
[09:55] <fragment> Arnia: Yep, Carlisle.
[09:55] <Arnia> Its only big by cumbrian standards
[09:55] <calc> doesn't go over 41C often or below -6
[09:55] <Arnia> In cumbria a hut is considered big :p
[09:55] <odo> Some feel that 30C is like hellish end of the world but I like hot aswell :)
[09:56] <fragment> Arnia: There's a little local train that takes the coastal route to Carlisle from the south, definitely not meant for tourists, but well worth the trip.
[09:56] <calc> odo: it used to get to 30C in our house during the summer with AC (that did suck)
[09:56] <WeedVender> I downloaded Divx, how in the world do I install it?
[09:56] <Arnia> Meh... I'll stick with County Durham personally :)
[09:56] <WeedVender> Im at the directory..
[09:57] <calc> but i imagine people who are used to -30C and lower can't deal with really hot weather well
[09:57] <odo> calc: yep, constant heat is not fun...especially when trying to sleep
[09:57] <spikeb> i hate hot weather
[09:57] <spikeb> would rather to freeze to death
[09:57] <Arnia> One of the most beautiful and historic cities in the world (Durham) and yet 3 hours by train from London and just near Newcastle-upon-Tyne (a nice city itself)
[09:57] <calc> i liked cali its weather is much nicer than texas
[09:57] <fragment> Arnia: We met some guy on the train who was speaking some bizarre dialect of English.  I could understand his wife fine, everyone else on the train could understand him, I could understand everyone else, but he was just unintelligible to me.
[09:57] <calc> except for the damn fog
[09:57] <spikeb> cockney
[09:58] <fragment> Arnia: My wife and I called it the "op" language.
[09:58] <calc> when i was in sacramento last month there was heavy fog two of the three days i was there
[09:58] <Arnia> Cockney is an awful accent... mockney is worse though
[09:58] <WeedVender> !?
[09:58] <spikeb> mockney? fake movie cockney?
[09:58] <spikeb> heh
[09:58] <fragment> spikeb: maybe, don't know.  He only had like three consonants, p, n and c.
[09:58] <Arnia> Thankfully these accents can be contained within the south-east (London, Sussex, Kent, Essex) and don't usually escape into the civilised areas of the country
[09:58] <spikeb> yeah that sounds about right fragment heh
[09:59] <Arnia> fragment: I speak with a Bucks accent... stereotypical farmer's accent :)
[10:00] <Arnia> fragment: Oi sor' o' speak loike this when oi'm a' 'ome with moi friends :)
[10:00] <fragment> spikeb: My wife's uncle is Welsh, and we were relating the story to him and he was telling us about a kid who lived two blocks away from him, went to the same school as kids, and they couldn't understand each other for years.
[10:00] <fragment> Arnia: See, you have at least six consonants there.... ;)
[10:00] <WeedVender> Spike, were can I get the Win32 codecs?
[10:00] <crimsun> WeedVender: see the RestrictedFormats section on the wiki
[10:01] <spikeb> heh
[10:01] <spikeb> WeedVender, www.mplayerhq.hu
[10:01] <Arnia> The closest dialect of English to pre-great vowel shift Middle English is Geordie
[10:01] <Arnia> I think the Geordie accent is very nice (most would disagree)
[10:01] <spikeb> WeedVender, all you have to do is untar/bz2 them and put them into /usr/lib/win32
[10:03] <fragment> Arnia: I need a sample in MP3 or (preferably) OGG.  :)
[10:03] <spikeb> i am considering getting a rio karma if i'm ever rich
[10:03] <spikeb> (speaking of ogg)
[10:04] <calc> buy apple and make them use ogg (if you ever get rich)
[10:04] <fragment> spikeb: I wanted to buy my wife an iRiver, but too expensive.
[10:04] <fragment> calc: That would be my choice.
[10:04] <spikeb> 300 bucks for a karma
[10:04] <spikeb> i'd buy apple if i was rich enough, i have great ideas for them hehe
[10:05] <fragment> spikeb: I was just googling rscsi and osx
[10:05] <calc> you could probably buy a majority stake in apple for under $10Bil or so
[10:05] <fragment> spikeb: I want to burn CDs on my Ubuntu box using my wife's iBook, *and* the Finder.
[10:05] <spikeb> i don't have what it takes, personality wise, to get rich though.
[10:06] <calc> hmm the largest shareholder in apple only has 10.3Mil of stock
[10:06] <calc> so you could get annoyance rights for around that ;)
[10:06] <spikeb> lol
[10:07] <odo> And if you live in euro-zone you wouldn't even need that much ;)
[10:07] <spikeb> even the canadian dollar is worth quite a nice penny
[10:07] <spikeb> heh
[10:07] <calc> ah oops that was top employee
[10:07] <odo> weak dollar rules for European consumers... ;)
[10:08] <spikeb> calc, trying to boss steve jobs around, probably.
[10:08] <calc> top institution is at ~ 800mil
[10:08] <calc> spikeb: heh
[10:09] <spikeb> all things considered, it's probably a good idea they bought Next, inc, instead of be
[10:09] <WeedVender> why?
[10:09] <spikeb> WeedVender, two words - steve jobs.
[10:09] <odo> Actually, euro-dollar rate is getting  so good that even if I had to pay 22% VAT and 3.5% tarif when ordering something online from states, it would be cheaper than getting it here..
[10:10] <spikeb> WeedVender, that and jean louis legasse is a fricken idiot
[10:10] <spikeb> (the former ceo of be)
[10:10] <Arnia> Pound-dollar rate is even better :)
[10:10] <WeedVender> ok....
[10:11] <spikeb> i shoudl probably stay off that subject though, or risk being banned for saying nasty and unconstructive things.
[10:11] <spikeb> :)
[10:12] <WeedVender> ok im getting an acess denied when extracting
[10:12] <calc> they probably should not have gotten rid of jobs originally
[10:12] <spikeb> WeedVender, extract it in your home dir.
[10:12] <spikeb> calc, it did him good though
[10:12] <odo> now only if one could by gasoline online...I'd order some 10000l tank instantly :DDD
[10:13] <odo> 70% taxes on that is not-so-nice
[10:13] <calc> though he does seem to still be slow at realizing having market share is a good thing
[10:13] <spikeb> WeedVender, then sudo mkdir /usr/lib/win32
[10:13] <spikeb> WeedVender, then let me know when you're that far.
[10:13] <odo> and I hate public transport that does not work
[10:13] <spikeb> calc, nah - he prefers profit margins to marketshare (thus far)
[10:14] <spikeb> i can't say i blame him - less risk.
[10:14] <WeedVender> I think I got away with apt-get install mplayer..
[10:14] <Arnia> Hmm... how odd, apt-get dist-upgrade errors and I do it again and it works :/
[10:14] <calc> odo: yea gas in US is around 0.35E per litre
[10:14] <calc> including tax
[10:14] <spikeb> Arnia, had that happen to me when i was upgrading to hoary
[10:14] <odo> and we have it around 1.2e per litre...
[10:14] <Arnia> spikeb: Yeah, that's what I'm doing
[10:15] <spikeb> Arnia, doing it a couple times got rid of the errors for me
[10:15] <spikeb> although gnome never did work right
[10:15] <calc> probably around 0.28 before tax
[10:15] <odo> but the tax has good things too...it forces car makers to make more economical cars...
[10:15] <calc> odo: that sounds like ~ 400-500% tax not 70%
[10:16] <spikeb> it'd be nice if you got more in return for your tax though
[10:16] <Arnia> spikeb: Well, if this doesn't work I'll reinstall from scratch and stick with Warty
[10:16] <spikeb> at least in the US our taxes are low enough that it  doesnt suck so bad that we dont get jack
[10:16] <WeedVender> ok... I Do not have the permission to extract to the folder.
[10:16] <odo> calc: well, 70% is for gas then there is VAT which is 22%
[10:16] <spikeb> Arnia, thats what i did
[10:16] <WeedVender> odo, so how much do you really pay for gas?
[10:16] <calc> odo: well then how come its about 5x the cost of gas in the US (before taxes)
[10:17] <odo> calc: more profit for the gas stations...
[10:17] <spikeb> Arnia, it's worth it just to take a peek at where they're going with hoary.
[10:17] <odo> unlike there, gas price is quite loosely tied to crude oil price
[10:17] <calc> iirc right now its around $1.80 here including about $0.40 tax per gallon
[10:17] <calc> odo: thats a hell of a huge profit
[10:17] <Arnia> spikeb: I'm trying to get some more recent libraries so my brother can use the fruits of my research and development work :)
[10:17] <odo> WeedVender: 1,1 to 1,2 euros per liter..
[10:17] <spikeb> Arnia, heh
[10:18] <WeedVender> .....
[10:18] <Arnia> I want him to show off this stuff to his friends at Bangor
[10:18] <spikeb> WeedVender, troubles?
[10:18] <odo> and you don't want even guess how much cars actually cost... :P
[10:18] <calc> i always thought gas prices in europe were high due to taxes, but its the gas stations ripping you off?
[10:18] <WeedVender> I can't extract to the directory
[10:18] <WeedVender> even though I made a folder
[10:18] <spikeb> extract to your home dir.
[10:18] <odo> calc: it is combination of many things
[10:18] <WeedVender> I installed it using the apt-get install command though
[10:19] <WeedVender> now how can I use the program to open the video?
[10:19] <spikeb> oh
[10:19] <calc> it would still be less than half the 1.2e/l price with only tax (92%) on the US price
[10:20] <WeedVender> I see it now.
[10:20] <Arnia> If the petrol prices weren't high the world would be more screwed. So I'm not going to complain
[10:21] <Ac|D-MaX> ALL LINUX FRIENDS! join #keep the keep with information challange! come on and see what the rush is about!
[10:21] <Ac|D-MaX> ALL LINUX FRIENDS! join #keep the keep with information challange! come on and see what the rush is about!
[10:21] <odo> Arnia: yep
[10:21] <Ac|D-MaX> the experience it channel
[10:21] <WeedVender> ok, mplayer just crashed....
[10:21] <spikeb> heh
[10:21] <fragment> spikeb: Jean Louis Gassee was an idiot in the Apple days, but BeOS rocked.
[10:21] <calc> Ac|D-MaX: go away before getting klined
[10:21] <spikeb> fragment, yes, and he had nothign to do with it rocking
[10:21] <spikeb> fragment, he did, however, have lots to do with the company dying.
[10:21] <odo> Arnia: I wonder what would happen if gas prices in US went to same level as they are here...
[10:21] <WeedVender> it didn't even open up.
[10:21] <Ac|D-MaX> ALL LINUX FRIENDS! join #keep the keep with information challange! come on and see what the rush is about!
[10:21] <Ac|D-MaX> the experience it channel
[10:21] <WeedVender> Ac, thats spam...
[10:22] <Arnia> odo: Revolt?
[10:22] <WeedVender> spam is baaadd....
[10:22] <Arnia> odo: Remember the petrol protests in the UK?
[10:22] <odo> at least it might make some biiig V8's as extention of manhood, less favorable...
[10:22] <odo> Arnia: nope
[10:22] <Arnia> odo: The fact they were orchestrated by one of Shell's main shareholders is irrelevant of course... the idea has been planted that this is 'acceptable'
[10:22] <calc> i've requested a kline, not sure if the ircop is awake
[10:23] <Arnia> odo: They blockaded refineries and brought the country to its knees a few years ago
[10:23] <spikeb> thats a darn good idea
[10:23] <spikeb> i'll remember that.
[10:23] <Arnia> odo: Of course the 'big' protest was outside a refinery that doesn't produce petrol :p
[10:23] <odo> ok :P
[10:24] <fragment> odo: Daimler-Chrysler, GM and Honda are making engines that shut down half of the valves at will, turning the V8 into a 4-cylinder on the freeways.
[10:24] <Arnia> odo: Yet shell was seen being allowed to distribute petrol by the protesters from this refinery :p
[10:24] <fragment> (or 3-cylinder, in Honda's case)
[10:24] <spikeb> i think the ukranians have proven how to use protests effectively - blockades.
[10:24] <WeedVender> Hondas use Inline 4s
[10:24] <fragment> WeedVender: They're doing it to their V6s.
[10:24] <WeedVender> Inline 3s produce terrible vibrations that would kill the engines
[10:24] <WeedVender> yeah i know.
[10:25] <WeedVender> But honda wouldn't drop a V8 in their cars.
[10:25] <fragment> WeedVender: I wonder if they're doing an opposing cylinder?
[10:25] <odo> fragment: but it still takes a LOT more fuel than some 1.6l straight 4...
[10:25] <Arnia> odo: It was quite comical yet the reporters never did the background research to see who the organiser (ostensibly fighting because he was a 'poor' farmer whose livelihood was threatened) really was
[10:25] <WeedVender> boxer type?
[10:25] <fragment> odo: True.  The article I read predicted more fuel savings from castrated V8s in the next decade than from hybrids.
[10:26] <WeedVender> eh.. dunno. Im not on top of Honda R&D, Im more of a nissan fan.
[10:26] <fragment> odo: I'm not championing V8s, I'm just pointing out that the petrol wars have insurgents on all sides.
[10:26] <WeedVender> Who saw Top Gear recently?
[10:27] <WeedVender> they tested a VW Lupo against a Toyota Hybrid...
[10:27] <Arnia> Not least for their bastardisation of a great piece of music (Jessica by the Allman Brothers Band)
[10:27] <WeedVender> the Diesel lupo gets more gas mileage
[10:27] <odo> WeedVender: with a driving style that Clarckson has, I bet :D
[10:27] <WeedVender> :)
[10:28] <spikeb> ouch
[10:28] <WeedVender> get a diesel...
[10:28] <WeedVender> or get something with an inline 4, at least.
[10:28] <WeedVender> at most*
[10:28] <odo> I have 3km to my school...bicycle works ;)
[10:28] <fragment> I've got an '03 Beetle that does pretty well.  Not diesel, though.
[10:29] <spikeb> i'd be careful about diesels if you're in the united states - they (car companies) don't have to make 'em very clean, and they don't.
[10:29] <fragment> It'll have a quarter million miles in five years, though, so I'm thinking the next engine will be a diesel. ;)
[10:29] <spikeb> oooh, a beetle. :)
[10:29] <WeedVender> yeah but a diesel will be better in the long run...
[10:29] <odo> but at around -25C bicycle unfortenatly becomes quite unusable...
[10:29] <WeedVender> higher maintenance though.
[10:29] <WeedVender> lol
[10:29] <fragment> odo: you just need different lubrication
[10:30] <Arnia> Why are Smart cars illegal in the US?
[10:30] <WeedVender> safety hazards,,
[10:30] <crimsun> because we're retarded.
[10:30] <fragment> odo: I used to use train grease in the bottom bracket.  Lower the air pressure in the tires.  Teflon-based chain lube.
[10:30] <spikeb> i've been seeing more minis on the roads here - they must be getting legalized.
[10:30] <WeedVender> for one they dont turn... Massive understeer.
[10:30] <fragment> odo: ...and skip the suspension. :)
[10:30] <odo> fragment: What I would need is something preveting my ears from freezing :D
[10:30] <fragment> odo: I can hook you up with double-width rims, too.
[10:30] <fragment> odo: heheh
[10:31] <spikeb> ear muffs
[10:31] <calc> what smart cars?
[10:31] <fragment> Actually, cross-country ski gear works very well.
[10:31] <odo> and face in general...
[10:31] <WeedVender> let me get a link...
[10:31] <odo> calc: www.smart.com
[10:31] <spikeb> i want a beetle or a mini. :)
[10:31] <WeedVender> Smarts are small, 2 seaters, with high mile to gallon, city cars.
[10:32] <WeedVender> Think Golf cart with body kit.
[10:32] <odo> WeedVender: there are also 4 seaters...
[10:32] <fragment> odo: Something like this works well: http://www.outdoorsportz.com/SGFMOOOO1002.html
[10:32] <WeedVender> yeah.. top gear had one.
[10:32] <calc> ah i can tell right away
[10:32] <calc> they are too small
[10:32] <WeedVender> 4 cc or something like that.
[10:32] <WeedVender> YES
[10:32] <fragment> odo: I have one that's polarfleece on the bottom half that I like.
[10:32] <calc> anything small than the mini is too small
[10:32] <WeedVender> TOO small.
[10:32] <WeedVender> calc, way smaller.
[10:32] <calc> the new ford ka (forgot which one) is also too small to release in the US
[10:32] <WeedVender> unless its the four seater
[10:32] <fragment> odo: And I highly recommend polyproplyene underwear, though silk works, too.
[10:33] <calc> sport ka or whatever its called in europe
[10:33] <spikeb> i love small cars
[10:33] <spikeb> heh
[10:33] <fragment> calc: Wanted to buy a Mini but there was a 6-month waiting list, and the nearest dealer is about 200 mi. away.
[10:33] <odo> If smart is illegal in US because of safety...why not SUV's and huge pick ups too?
[10:33] <spikeb> my car is too big for my tastes - plymouth neon
[10:34] <odo> they are WAY more dangerous
[10:34] <fragment> calc: 200 mi. for monthly service would have been painful.
[10:34] <crimsun> odo: it's called "politics"
[10:34] <odo> crimsun: unfortenately so :/
[10:34] <WeedVender> http://www.hut.fi/u/iisakkil/autonkuvia/smart.jpg
[10:34] <fragment> odo: No, I heard Smart was not legal due to emissions.  The diesels.
[10:34] <WeedVender> THAT is too small...
[10:34] <WeedVender> ....do you see that car?
[10:34] <calc> there is a mini dealer about 5mi from where i live :)
[10:34] <spikeb> holy crap
[10:34] <WeedVender> do you think that would survive an accident?
[10:34] <spikeb> i want one
[10:35] <odo> fragment: emissions...LOL :D
[10:35] <WeedVender> there are better looking ones.
[10:35] <fragment> odo: Some vendor is importing the gas ones soon.
[10:35] <spikeb> i bet that thing couldnt handle any snow though
[10:35] <calc> odo: well i don't know for certain its due to size, but most likely is, from what i read anything shorter than the current mini is below minimum size limit
[10:35] <odo> ok
[10:35] <fragment> WeedVender: Apparently side impact nearly always hits an axle because it's so short, and fore/aft it's built like an egg and can take a pounding.
[10:36] <calc> htf does an europe car not have good enough emissions for the US?
[10:36] <calc> isn't europe a lot more strict about that
[10:36] <spikeb> hmm
[10:36] <spikeb> european diesel requirements are much stricter than here
[10:36] <WeedVender> smaller version
[10:36] <spikeb> so i dunno
[10:36] <WeedVender> http://www.bureauangenent.nl/smart/images/foto_smart_ultracompact.jpg
[10:36] <spikeb> who the hell would drive that
[10:36] <WeedVender> I wonder how people fit in there..
[10:36] <odo> I must say that I'm really waiting the day when oil runs out and US has to really rethink some of their policies towards cars...
[10:37] <WeedVender> NOOO>.
[10:37] <calc> WeedVender: that isn't real is it?
[10:37] <spikeb> WeedVender, that particular one is fugly
[10:37] <odo> and, I'll bet that WHEN that day comes, people wonder why hydrogen power wasn't research sooner etc.
[10:37] <WeedVender> I dont know, I don't live in Europe
[10:37] <crimsun> odo: well, it's not as if the scientists aren't doing the research
[10:38] <calc> odo: don't wish for that, the US will make iraq look like target practice compared to what it will do to keep its oil levels high ;)
[10:38] <WeedVender> Hydrogen requires electricity
[10:38] <Arnia> Yes, that car is real
[10:38] <spikeb> looks like the designer had a cat that attacked a box and he thought it looked good
[10:38] <WeedVender> electricity comes from plants
[10:38] <Arnia> There are much nicer Smart cars though
[10:38] <fragment> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5217861/
[10:38] <crimsun> odo: but our current gov't isn't exactly one to put science in front of Big Honkin' Corporate Interests
[10:38] <WeedVender> those power plants burn fuel
[10:38] <calc> Arnia: heh, that would never be legal in US, 5mph crash == fatality
[10:38] <WeedVender> so thats why we dont have hydrogen cars.
[10:39] <WeedVender> because we need fuel to separate the hydrogen
[10:39] <fragment> WeedVender: power plants are more efficient.  Even coal plants produce lower emissions than gas engines.
[10:39] <WeedVender> overall, es
[10:39] <WeedVender> yes*
[10:39] <spikeb> who says you can't use a different source of energy to run plants?
[10:39] <fragment> Coal-electric beats gas-engine
[10:39] <fragment> true
[10:39] <WeedVender> but when you have scattered plants all over the world, eh
[10:39] <calc> chernobyl says ;)
[10:39] <peejei> hi. what p2p works in ubuntu?
[10:39] <odo> only if people in US would drive on average something that europeans use...it would save _huge_ amounts of oil per year... :/
[10:40] <calc> odo: there is no mass transit in the US
[10:40] <spikeb> chernobyl says don't run a nuke plant badly :P
[10:40] <calc> so that is impossible
[10:40] <WeedVender> plus regulations on other countries aren't as strict.
[10:40] <fragment> odo: none worth using, anyway.
[10:40] <calc> probably 75%+ of the US population has no access to mass transit in any form
[10:40] <spikeb> not unless you're on the coasts in cali or the megalopolis that includes NYC
[10:40] <fragment> calc: very true
[10:40] <spikeb> outside of that, zero.
[10:40] <crimsun> peejei: any
[10:41] <spikeb> i am using limewire right now.
[10:41] <spikeb> works fine
[10:41] <crimsun> peejei: those programs are orthogonal to whatever Linux distro one uses
[10:41] <fragment> Some of the businesses in town have pictures of the city when there were still trolleys, before GM bought them all and tore them down.
[10:41] <WeedVender> questionable business practices...
[10:42] <fragment> Someone came in later and put in electric buses, and GM bought them, too.
[10:42] <fragment> Now even the bus power lines are gone.
[10:42] <spikeb> i read about the buses/GM thing happening
[10:42] <odo> some large cities have fairly good mass transit...I felt that "The L" in Chicago was quite good...
[10:42] <spikeb> BART is pretty good
[10:42] <peejei> limewire for linux?
[10:43] <spikeb> as are the subways in NYC
[10:43] <spikeb> peejei, aye
[10:43] <fragment> spikeb: I agree
[10:43] <peejei> cool
[10:43] <WeedVender> hmm...
[10:43] <WeedVender> http://thefilter.blogs.com/thefilter/2003915221111_Smartcrash01.jpg
[10:43] <fragment> Paris' metro is the best
[10:43] <fragment> flat fee
[10:43] <calc> spikeb: yea i used BART in oct was pretty good
[10:43] <fragment> Always 200m or less from a stop
[10:43] <spikeb> um
[10:43] <spikeb> WeedVender, looks liek the airbag would kill anyone inside
[10:44] <odo> BART is San Fransisco's metro? isn't it?
[10:44] <Arnia> All cars in the UK have to pass a minimum crash testing safety rating which is strict
[10:44] <spikeb> yeah
[10:44] <spikeb> bay area rapid transport
[10:44] <Arnia> Yet Smart cars are still sold here
[10:44] <calc> WeedVender: thats just two smarts, have one smart ultracompact get hit (er I mean runover) by a SUV
[10:44] <spikeb> Arnia, in the US, you dont have to really pass a crash rating, just a safety rating which is based more on size than many other factors
[10:44] <calc> airbag doesn't save you when the car is crushed ;)
[10:45] <fragment> calc: It's just there to stifle your screams. :)
[10:45] <calc> fragment: heh
[10:45] <fragment> calc: It bothers the other drivers.
[10:45] <spikeb> when you're that close to it, it'll kill you
[10:45] <spikeb> heh
[10:46] <WeedVender> I wonder how easy would it be to steal one of those things...
[10:46] <spikeb> put it in the back of your truck and drive off
[10:46] <spikeb> heh
[10:46] <Arnia> Can I temporarily unravel a deb's dependencies?
[10:46] <fragment> WeedVender: Depends on whether you're going to hotwire it or just carry it away.
[10:46] <Arnia> I want to break the loop in Mono atm
[10:46] <spikeb> i think this project is interesting http://mockup.org/
[10:46] <WeedVender> push,,,
[10:46] <spikeb> push? just put it in your pocket.
[10:47] <spikeb> buy a pair of those big ass jeans that have the huge pockets
[10:47] <spikeb> heh
[10:47] <calc> rotflmao
[10:48] <WeedVender> http://www.in.gr/auto/dokimes/pr_dokimes_ae/foto_big/ae_Smart_44_10.jpg
[10:48] <WeedVender> thats not bad...
[10:48] <spikeb> damn nice
[10:48] <WeedVender> I wouldn't drive it in the highway though...
[10:48] <spikeb> i would :)
[10:48] <fragment> Someone on eBay was selling one of these the other day
[10:48] <spikeb> then again, i'm nuts.
[10:48] <fragment> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5217861/
[10:49] <fragment> whoops, hold on...
[10:49] <fragment> http://www.cqql.net/bmw.htm
[10:49] <WeedVender> semi hits you in the back...
[10:49] <fragment> Had it in the back of his truck
[10:49] <fragment> (someone in town has one, they're very cool, but not freeway friendly)
[10:49] <fragment> (...or vice versa)
[10:49] <peejei> im new to linux.. can anyone pls tell me wat to do with a bin file
[10:49] <odo> I would drive a smart on highway...as highest limit here is 120kph so it can't be THAT bad
[10:50] <WeedVender> I wonder how in the world does a smart get to 60 MPH
[10:50] <Arnia> WeedVender: Its very light
[10:50] <fragment> peejei: Usually they're executable.  You can 'chmod +x filename' then './filename' to execute
[10:50] <calc> WeedVender: very slowly
[10:50] <calc> WeedVender: 0-60 is 18s+
[10:50] <spikeb> But why doesn't smart itself bring in the smaller cars? It feels a bigger market lies in the small SUV segment, where drivers can get a bit of both worlds. So smart will build a vehicle similar in size to the Toyota RAV4 and Honda CR-V and sell them through 60 Mercedes dealers.
[10:50] <spikeb> cool
[10:50] <peejei> thanks
[10:50] <spikeb> i liked the RAV4
[10:51] <spikeb> (decent gas mileage)
[10:51] <fragment> odo: such a short wheelbase, just don't sneeze at 120kph. ;)
[10:51] <odo> hehe
[10:51] <RalphNizzader> peeji
[10:51] <RalphNizzader> pm
[10:52] <fragment> Keeps me off the freeways, same distance, and only costs me about 5 min.
[10:52] <fragment> (each way)
[10:52] <fragment> Plus, beautiful farm country, ocean views, etc.
[10:52] <calc> heh sport smart with brabus exhaust whee for the extra hp 50->51hp ;)
[10:52] <fragment> heheheh
[10:52] <WeedVender> lol
[10:52] <calc> oh actually that one has 74hp
[10:52] <spikeb> id love a mini but damn they're expensive.
[10:52] <spikeb> brb
[10:52] <WeedVender> Id put a Wankel Rotary in it.
[10:52] <fragment> exec date
[10:53] <WeedVender> 20B or 13J :)
[10:53] <ArCHoNKoG> world anyone know why when i want to install a theme it says permisin deined ?
[10:53] <fragment> Sat Jan  1 01:53:07 PST 2005
[10:53] <odo> fragment: I've been up all night :D
[10:53] <calc> hmm that smart speedsilver model looks nice
[10:53] <WeedVender> its 6 am down here.
[10:53] <fragment> odo: Crazy!
[10:53] <calc> it reminds me of some other euro car i can't remember the name of
[10:53] <ArCHoNKoG> its 4 am down here
[10:53] <odo> I woke up at around 1400 yesterday and it is now 1153 here...
[10:54] <ArCHoNKoG> lol
[10:54] <fragment> calc: The roadster is fun, too.
[10:54] <ArCHoNKoG> odo, long nap
[10:54] <fragment> calc: Ah, same car, different paintjob.
[10:54] <WeedVender> o.O?
[10:55] <odo> ArCHoNKoG: how so? more like long time awake :)
[10:55] <WeedVender> I wonder if girls pay attention to you when you get a smart?
[10:55] <fragment> calc: I think Road & Track did a review of the roadster.  Went to the U.K.
[10:55] <fragment> calc: Said it was the most fun car not imported into the U.S.  Something like that.
[10:55] <calc> wow 100hp 700cc engine, thats pretty good
[10:56] <ArCHoNKoG> world anyone know why when i want to install a theme it says permisin deined ?
[10:56] <odo> calc: turbo charger... :)
[10:56] <fragment> ArCHoNKoG: Where are you installing it to?
[10:56] <WeedVender> most fun car not imported in the U.S?
[10:56] <WeedVender> Radical SR3
[10:56] <fragment> WeedVender: Something like that
[10:56] <fragment> WeedVender: Link?
[10:57] <ArCHoNKoG> fragment, /usr/share/ theme
[10:57] <WeedVender> http://www.pistonheads.com/news/images/3510-01.jpg
[10:57] <WeedVender> essentially, its a race car.
[10:57] <fragment> ArCHoNKoG: Try doing it as root.  'sudo su -' then copy
[10:57] <spikeb> ew
[10:58] <fragment> OK.  Sleep!  'Night, everyone.
[10:58] <WeedVender> Every car show thats tested it has been scared to drive it after the review...
[10:58] <calc> hmm that should be quite a bit faster than a civic ex
[10:58] <calc> kg:hp ratio is much better
[10:59] <WeedVender> you know the effect that happens when the air goes to your face so fast that your face starts to deform?
[10:59] <calc> civic 1205:127 smart 852:101
[10:59] <WeedVender> that...
[11:00] <WeedVender> smart doesn't corner too good though... it doesn't corner at all..
[11:00] <WeedVender> tall box and small skinny tires
[11:00] <calc> WeedVender: the roadster doesn't look out of proportion
[11:00] <spikeb> i like beetles, darn it
[11:01] <WeedVender> well that one no..
[11:01] <WeedVender> but the city car, the one i posted originally.
[11:01] <calc> the ultracompact one?
[11:01] <WeedVender> yes
[11:01] <calc> i don't see it on their site, but no i would stay far far away from that one
[11:02] <calc> perhaps its not legal in UK, that is the country i selected to see vehicles
[11:02] <WeedVender> they have them in the UK..
[11:02] <calc> muhahaha they have a convertible fourtwo
[11:02] <WeedVender> top gear did a test on 2 of them
[11:03] <calc> er fortwo
[11:03] <odo> damn, I want a cell phone that has Symbian ;P
[11:03] <calc> all i see on UK site is fortwo forfour and roadster
[11:03] <WeedVender> id have to check what they tested on Top Gear.
[11:03] <WeedVender> but it wasn't the four four...
[11:04] <calc> i don't see the freakish car on germany site either
[11:04] <calc> perhaps it was just a photoshop car
[11:06] <WeedVender> let me take a loot
[11:06] <WeedVender> look*
[11:06] <calc> yea it is photoshopped
[11:06] <calc> i found the original site
[11:06] <calc> http://www.bureauangenent.nl/smart/start.htm
[11:08] <WeedVender> ok..
[11:08] <WeedVender> still a small mofo.
[11:10] <calc> http://www.bureauangenent.nl/smart/images/foto_smart_ateam.jpg
[11:11] <WeedVender> lol
[11:11] <WeedVender> *wonders Smart and LS6 ?
[11:13] <WeedVender> Ok i extracted Mplayer to a directory.
[11:13] <WeedVender> How would I install it,
[11:13] <WeedVender> terminal is already set to the dir.
[11:14] <odo> quick poll: how much do you pay for your internet connection and how fast is it? :)
[11:14] <WeedVender> *shudders...
[11:14] <calc> $30 USD 1000/128
[11:14] <WeedVender> DSL/256
[11:14] <WeedVender> 50
[11:14] <WeedVender> USD...
[11:15] <WeedVender> (I hate it down here)
[11:15] <odo> I pay 0 euroa/month, but real price would be around 70 euros...I have 10/10Mbit Cisco LRE...
[11:15] <WeedVender> I think its more like 60 or 70
[11:16] <odo> Usually these go down way too often but to my suprise...this has been almost rock solid :)
[11:16] <treed> about $50/month
[11:16] <treed> (usd)
[11:16] <treed> and it's hard to say for sure
[11:16] <treed> I can pull down at upwards of 300KB/sec
[11:16] <treed> but my upstream is only about 30KB/sec
[11:16] <treed> and that kills me by latency
[11:17] <WeedVender> How would I go by installing a program from terminal?
[11:17] <WeedVender> its mplayer
[11:17] <odo> WeedVender: if it is repository...apt-get install <insert package name here>
[11:18] <odo> if not, read the readme :)
[11:18] <WeedVender> tried that and it worked but that version crashed.
[11:18] <WeedVender> ah ok
[11:18] <odo> which comes with the source codes
[11:27] <e-Jah> yop
[11:27] <WeedVender> root@Jiraiya:/home/jiraiya/MPlayer-1.0pre6a # make install
[11:27] <WeedVender> Makefile:7: config.mak: No such file or directory
[11:27] <WeedVender> error...
[11:27] <opi> ./configure --help
[11:27] <opi> did you configure this?
[11:28] <WeedVender> you have to configure it!?
[11:28] <opi> sure you do
[11:28] <nevyn> you have to run configure
[11:28] <opi> but most of the time, ./configure will do
[11:28] <nevyn> usuall no options will work fine
[11:28] <opi> unless you want to remove/add some features
[11:29] <nevyn> btw building mplayer is a pain in the neck.
[11:29] <WeedVender> building eh?
[11:29] <opi> nevyn: why? Never had a smallest problem with that :O
[11:29] <WeedVender> thats next?
[11:29] <nevyn> far easier to just get it from merrilat.
[11:29] <nevyn> WeedVender: that's what you're doing.
[11:29] <nevyn> building from source
[11:29] <WeedVender> i c
[11:30] <nevyn> opi: getting the win32codecs somewhere it finds it. and the matrox overlay working correctly etc.
[11:30] <WeedVender> so it runs..
[11:31] <opi> nevyn: apt-get install win32codecs and then configure mplayer source with a path do it, I don't have Matrox so I can't tell how mutch pain is that :0)
[11:32] <nevyn> getting it going with XV isn't hard.
[11:32] <nevyn> getting output to a TV head on a matrox marvel took some work.
[11:33] <opi> My old old Voodoo3 has no intresting features. It just works. :-)
[11:33] <ugenn> can the arch type be explicitly set when compiling cdrtools rather than have the it autodetected?
[11:33] <opi> ugenn: autodetect should do it fine
[11:34] <ugenn> opi: i'm compiling for another machine. autodetect is out.
[11:34] <opi> ugenn: see ./congigure --help | less
[11:34] <opi> ugenn: ah, ok then :)
[11:34] <ugenn> opi: cdrtools isnt autotooled.
[11:34] <opi> so you can tweak Makefile :)
[11:35] <ugenn> opi: i dont know where to tweak.
[11:35] <opi> ugenn: you can provide -mcpu -march switches
[11:36] <opi> ugenn: consult man gcc for details
[11:37] <ugenn> i need to know cdrtools specific configs, not gcc options. if the cdrtools performs manual special casing, march isn't going to help.
[11:37] <opi> ugenn: I don't have sources with me, so I can't help
[11:46] <ana> hola
[11:59] <wezzer-> weezer_ and wezzer-
[11:59] <wezzer-> hmm :)
[12:17] <daniels> lifeless: sup
[12:18] <nevyn> daniels: yo.
[12:19] <emanuelez> hello *
[12:19] <emanuelez> Happy new year
[12:20] <emanuelez> is anybody here?
[12:20] <nevyn> yeah
[12:20] <emanuelez> :)
[12:20] <daniels> nevyn: represent
[12:21] <opi> we are ;)
[12:21] <emanuelez> trying to convert a RedHad friendly demon start script... any simple way to convert it?
[12:22] <opi> emanuelez: start-stop it's something like /etc/init.d/scripts?
[12:22] <nevyn> emanuelez: it doesn't run?
[12:22] <opi> maybe it calls for something, that dosen't exists in Ubuntu
[12:22] <nevyn> redhat hack bash to understand dos line termination (EVIL)
[12:23] <opi> RedHat ain't Linux ;))
[12:23] <nevyn> or did at 7.2 anywya
[12:23] <emanuelez> nevyn: no it doesn't
[12:23] <emanuelez> opi: exactly
[12:23] <emanuelez> should i paste in #flood?
[12:24] <lifeless> daniels: hey ya
[12:24] <nevyn> emanuelez: sure
[12:26] <emanuelez> nevyn: here it is: http://rafb.net/paste/results/NAMNT823.html
[12:26] <emanuelez> well... for everybody :) http://rafb.net/paste/results/NAMNT823.html
[12:27] <opi> I don't have browser yet ;))
[12:27] <emanuelez> opi: go to #flood then :)
[12:27] <opi> fire up!
[12:27] <opi> ;)
[12:28] <nevyn> emanuelez: looks pretty straight forward
[12:28] <opi> a question: why use RH startup scripts?
[12:29] <emanuelez> nevyn: but it doesn't work... i bet there are better ways to start a daemon in debian/ubuntu
[12:29] <emanuelez> opi: i found drivers for this printer... but only in rpm format
[12:30] <nevyn> what happens when you run it?
[12:30] <opi> emanuelez: convert it with Alien
[12:30] <emanuelez> opi: that's what i did
[12:30] <emanuelez> opi: but alien doesn't convert daemon start stop scripts
[12:30] <opi> emanuelez: sure it dosne't :)
[12:30] <emanuelez> opi: :)
[12:31] <opi> emanuelez: so convert it to tgz, unzip, grab driver and put in Ubuntu's CUPS
[12:31] <emanuelez> opi: all the files and setup is aready done... i just need to convert the start script
[12:32] <emanuelez> opi: i bet there is an elegant debian way to do it
[12:32] <daniels> lifeless: sup?
[12:32] <emanuelez> opi: i wish it was that simple. it's a winprinter so it needs more drivers than a ppd file
[12:33] <[Phaedrus] > has anyone here installed ubuntu and had some error starting X server?
[12:33] <opi> never
[12:33] <emanuelez> [Phaedrus] : never happened here. what graphics card r u using?
[12:33] <nevyn> emanuelez: cp /etc/init.d/skeleton /etc/init.d/ccd ; edit to taste
[12:34] <[Phaedrus] > Geforce2
[12:34] <lifeless> daniels: how can I tell which ati card my old laptop has? (I want to see if its got accelerated 3d)
[12:34] <opi> lifeless: lspci
[12:34] <opi> lifeless: maybe it's ATI Mobile 3?
[12:34] <opi> lifeless: my gf got it in hers Dell
[12:35] <lifeless> danieits my gf's laptop now :)
[12:35] <lifeless> man, the break has been bad for my brain, I know lspci.
[12:35] <nevyn> lifeless: lspci
[12:36] <emanuelez> nevyn: i'll take a look
[12:38] <daniels> lifeless: lspci
[12:40] <lifeless> yah, when its on next I'll check. where is the list of models<->support for 3d accel ?
[12:40] <nevyn> depends what it is and how much effort you want to invest.
[12:41] <nevyn> I think mach64 acceleration is still not in tree.
[12:41] <nevyn> cause it introduces a local privilage escelation or something
[12:41] <nevyn> IIRC
[12:41] <daniels> lifeless: everything radeon < 9550 is supported
[12:41] <emanuelez> how do i tell to my system to start my ccpd daemon at startup but only after starting cups?
[12:41] <daniels> well, that and the fact that no-one wants to work on it
[12:42] <nevyn> S<numberlargerthancups's>ccpd
[12:42] <lifeless> daniels: in warty ?
[12:43] <daniels> lifeless: yah
[12:43] <nevyn> daniels: kdrive on a mach64 is a significantly better bet actually
[12:43] <fox_adventure> hiya everyone. i'm trying to get azureus to launch from a gnome menu, but nothing happens.i assume the launcher cant see java in my $PATH,which i've set in /etc/profile
[12:44] <fox_adventure> how can i make gnome see my updated $PATH?
[12:45] <emanuelez> nevyn: sorry... can't understand
[12:46] <daniels> nevyn: well, except for the fact that the keyboard and mouse handling is arse
[12:46] <nevyn> hrm. yeah.
[12:46] <nevyn> daniels: but it's faster and more plesant.
[12:47] <daniels> yeah, except for the lack of debouncing, so your wireless mouse is useless
[12:47] <daniels> and xkb layouts
[12:48] <nevyn> yeah.
[12:49] <daniels> bluefoxicy: ping
[12:52] <emanuelez> nevyn: could u please explain me your answer? i can't understand it?
[12:52] <nevyn> emanuelez: there's a default script for starting daemons called skeleton
[12:52] <nevyn> copy it and modify it to start ccd
[12:52] <nevyn> then you know it'll work.
[12:53] <emanuelez> nevyn: i did it and it works... my other question was about daemon starting order and telling ubuntu to run it on startup
[12:55] <netmonk> happy new year, folks
[12:55] <netmonk> :)
[12:57] <Cloudchaser> happy new year!
[12:58] <odo> new year. yes. happy. no.
[12:59] <HcE> to much champagne?
[12:59] <Cloudchaser> i'm sorry..
[12:59] <Cloudchaser> hope it gets better then
[12:59] <netmonk> me too
[12:59] <emanuelez> nevyn: something to do with rc2.d? do i have to write another script? :-S
[01:00] <odo> HcE: nope :)
[01:00] <netmonk> odo, too much finish vodka?
[01:01] <odo> nope, not that either...
[01:01] <HcE> then just the usual stuff?
[01:01] <HcE> little money, insecurity and no girl/boy?
[01:01] <emanuelez> i have a startup script in /etc/init.d how do i make it run on startup?
[01:01] <odo> I stayed away from anything stroger than coca-cola :D
[01:02] <HcE> I wished I left my mobile at home
[01:05] <odo> HcE: a) I'm somewhat sad that some Finns died in Asia b) I'm frustrated to our foreign ministry for being such idiots c) I'm furious to our aviation authorities who are refusing to grant a permit for Finnair to operate ambulance-flights for Swedes that still have thousands(hundreds injured) of people in Thailand.
[01:05] <odo> something like that
[01:05] <netmonk> yeah, that's sad
[01:06] <HcE> odo: oh, know the feeling, not "so many" norwegians are missing. although it's about 400 persons still
[01:06] <HcE> I'm lucky to have no close encouters with the disaster
[01:06] <HcE> my boss was actually in Phuket
[01:06] <odo> and the part c...there is no real reason not to grant that permit...just plain being a jackass-thing
[01:07] <HcE> the swedes are flying norwegian home as "swedes"
[01:07] <HcE> they just give them swedish temporary passports and put them on flights
[01:08] <odo> HcE: as long as they get home...that is all that counts :)
[01:08] <HcE> yes =)
[01:21] <Josip> ext/libxml/libxml.lo: file not recognized: File truncated
[01:21] <Josip> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[01:21] <Josip> make: *** [libphp5.la]  Error 1
[01:21] <Josip> any ideas ? this happens when i try to make php5.0.3 with the <make> command (configured with <./configure --prefix=/usr --with-apxs2=/usr/local/apache2/bin/apxs --with-mysql>
[01:21] <Josip> Warthy btw .
[01:24] <scoon> Josip, make sure that you have all the correct software in, you can find that list in the INSTALL file in the root directory of your build
[01:25] <Josip> i have
[01:25] <scoon> Josip, what about the file it is choking on
[01:25] <Josip> i've reinstalled libxml1 and installed libxml2
[01:25] <Josip> nothing changed
[01:26] <scoon> what about their *-dev's as well.
[01:26] <Josip> installed aswell
[01:26] <Josip> not sure about libxml1-dev, just to check .
[01:26] <Josip> libxml-dev installed
[01:26] <Josip> i'll try to reinstall them , maybe something happend
[01:27] <Josip> libxmltok1-dev wasn't installed, installing atm .
[01:28] <scoon> Josip, to check just do an apt-get check
[01:28] <yorhel> hi! fast question: how can I change my kayboard-layout in hoary? since that gnome-thing doesn't change my kayboard layout :S
[01:28] <yorhel> keyboard*
[01:28] <Josip> I'm working with Synaptic, it's a much better option that the command-line ;-)
[01:29] <scoon> Josip, maybe for some.  but not all.
[01:29] <vegai> only for those who don't know how to use CLI :P
[01:29] <Josip> agree .
[01:29] <Josip> ;-)
[01:32] <yorhel> uhm... any1?
[01:32] <opi> yorhel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:32] <opi> yorhel: and set your layout
[01:33] <Josip> ext/libxml/libxml.lo: file not recognized: File truncated
[01:33] <Josip> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[01:33] <Josip> make: *** [libphp5.la]  Error 1
[01:33] <Josip> fook ;-( the same problem
[01:33] <Josip> i think I'll solve the problem ;))
[01:34] <scoon> Josip, have you looked at that libxml.lo file.  maybe it is AFU
[01:34] <Josip> usign --with-libxml-dir=/usr/local/lib
[01:35] <Josip> maybe it won't make problems now .
[01:36] <Josip> same error, I'm going to kill someone, thanks noone's nearby .
[01:38] <scoon> Josip,
[01:38] <scoon> i just dl'd the source
[01:38] <scoon> and am trying to make them as well.
[01:39] <Josip> ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-apxs2=/usr/local/apache2/bin/apxs --with-libxml2-dir=/usr/local/lib --with-mysql --with-gd --with-zlib --with-zlib-dir=/usr/local/lib --enable-sockets
[01:39] <Josip> something sucks here .
[01:39] <yorhel> opi: thnx, its working now :)
[01:40] <scoon> Josip, i don't have apxs2 installed.
[01:40] <scoon> Josip, do a make distclean
[01:40] <scoon> Josip, to clean up the source tree
[01:40] <scoon> Josip, and then run ./configure with no options and see how far you get.
[01:41] <scoon> Josip, then do make distclean again and and 1 of the options and see how far you get.
[01:41] <opi> yorhel: you're welcome :)
[01:41] <Josip> no errors occur
[01:41] <scoon> Josip, so one of those opts is afu try to add them on 1 at a time.
[01:41] <scoon> Josip, that is the really damn painful way of figuring it out. but you will get it.
[01:42] <scoon> Josip, may I ask why you must have php5 ?
[01:42] <Josip> yes .
[01:43] <scoon> well ?
[01:43] <scoon> are you building a deb ?
[01:43] <opi> Josip: use PHP5 packages for Debian ;)
[01:44] <scoon> Josip, cuz if you are not, when synaptic upgrades php it will over write what you are doing now.
[01:44] <opi> scoon: unless he setup a Deb res. and point to it
[01:45] <Josip> but, i won't get support for gd,zlib etc.
[01:45] <scoon> opi, if a deb is getting built.  if not, then it will get overwritten.
[01:45] <opi> yes
[01:45] <opi> or, he can lock up PHP upgrades
[01:46] <scoon> opi, certainly.
[01:46] <scoon> Josip, so why are you building this ?
[01:46] <zamboni> ahh happy new year!
[01:46] <scoon> Josip, the deb's won't suffice ?
[01:46] <Josip> the php5 deb package hasn't support for most of the modules i want to work with
[01:47] <Josip> and probably i won't get mysql support .
[01:48] <scoon> Josip, check this out: http://66.92.234.243/php-info.htm
[01:48] <opi> don't be silly
[01:49] <opi> GD, as well MySQL support is was always compiled with debs
[01:49] <scoon> Josip, that is my box with php and mysql.  i know it is php4 but if that is how php4 gets conf'd then i bet php5 will be the same.
[01:49] <Josip> wait to see .
[01:49] <scoon> Josip, to see what ?
[01:49] <bluefoxicy> daniels: pong?
[01:50] <Josip> okay, i'll try installing a .deb package
[01:50] <opi> go to http://dotdeb.org
[01:50] <daniels> bluefoxicy: you were asking about fd.o stuff a few hours ago?
[01:52] <scoon> Josip, i have found for the most part, debs are just fine.  There are a few progs where the debs have let me down but they are small in complexity.  compiling php can be a big undertaking.
[01:53] <pocket> hi, does anyone know where to look for the qglobal.h library?
[01:53] <bluefoxicy> daniels: uh.  maybe?
[01:53] <zamboni> howdy, can anyone here say why apps will not start after I  set up the ethernet interface?
[01:53] <GoneBoB> I use to compile PHP when I was admin for a hosting company
[01:53] <GoneBoB> these days I just use packages
[01:54] <GoneBoB> you need a lot of dependancies to compile it
[01:54] <GoneBoB> and the compile configure line can be quite long
[01:54] <GoneBoB> that said, it's nothing compared to apache
[01:54] <GoneBoB> which is a total bitch to build
[01:54] <zamboni> or mozilla
[01:54] <GoneBoB> esp if you don't store your configure line
[01:54] <GoneBoB> zamboni: haha, I've never bothered to build it, but I know the stories
[01:55] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  the pwned-ness of fd.o
[01:55] <zamboni> gave up
[01:55] <GoneBoB> though I compiled X 3.9 back in the dat
[01:55] <GoneBoB> day
[01:55] <daniels> bluefoxicy: yes, happened a while back
[01:55] <bluefoxicy> daniels: is not going to delay a modular xorg is it?
[01:55] <bluefoxicy> or whatever xlibs.fd.o was doing
[01:55] <daniels> bluefoxicy: no.  knocked the monolithic release back by a week, but it's all fixed now and has been for a while now, so shouldn't impact modular stuff at all.
[01:55] <daniels> GoneBoB: apache is easy to build (a2, at least)
[01:55] <zamboni> so Im not a total lost case when it comes to using *nix  and X but Im playing with ubuntu/gnoppix
[01:56] <zamboni> and it's weird that  once I set up the network card no apps  will run
[01:56] <scoon> for me it has been best to leave apache and the like to deb
[01:56] <scoon> i have compiled beep-media-player and mplayer.
[01:56] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  good.  I've been looking forward to split up stuff because I think that's going to be the easiest route to fix xorg's issues with pie/ssp from
[01:56] <scoon> but those progs are small and easy to do.
[01:57] <scoon> i don't want this box to turn into a big compile factory like a gentoo box ;)
[01:57] <GoneBoB> daniels: easy to build, prick to remember to add every damn module on the command line
[01:57] <bluefoxicy> uh
[01:57] <bluefoxicy> I need more than 2 hours of sleep
[01:57] <GoneBoB> whereas php has the configure line in it's binary
[01:57] <bluefoxicy> bye
[01:57] <daniels> GoneBoB: true dat
[01:58] <daniels> bluefoxicy: no help right now -- most of the code is quite hopelessly forked.  the trees are so massively adrift that the easiest thing to do is reimport every module again.
[01:59] <GoneBoB> daniels: also when you need ssl, it's a seperate package, which adds more pain
[02:00] <Josip> there isn't any apache2 php5 .deb package ;-(
[02:00] <GoneBoB> Josip: do you need apache2?
[02:01] <Josip> why not for a development environment
[02:02] <GoneBoB> I can let you in on how much of a difference it will make
[02:02] <daniels> GoneBoB: er, it's folded in now, dude
[02:02] <daniels> GoneBoB: it's been in-tree ever since 2.0.16
[02:02] <daniels> (or maybe 2.0.14, but it was hopelessly broken before about 2.0.18 or .22 anyway)
[02:02] <GoneBoB> ah cool
[02:03] <GoneBoB> we only had one box running apache2 and it's been some time since I built that
[02:03] <daniels> we have cool a2 packages, anyway
[02:03] <GoneBoB> but the ONE feature of apache2 I wanted isn't (wasn't?) done yet
[02:03] <daniels> which?
[02:03] <GoneBoB> mpm which did multi use multi thread
[02:03] <daniels> hm?
[02:03] <GoneBoB> so you can run each vhost as a seperate user
[02:03] <GoneBoB> *user not use
[02:04] <GoneBoB> give me a tic
[02:04] <GoneBoB> http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/perchild.html
[02:04] <GoneBoB>  This module is not functional. Development of this module is not complete and is not currently active. Do not use perchild unless you are a programmer willing to help fix it.
[02:04] <daniels> oh, right
[02:05] <mgotts> yeah yeah
[02:05] <GoneBoB> that was the number 1 thing I wanted out of apache2 and it couldn't give it to me
[02:05] <GoneBoB> makes it look really poor next to IIS, which does do that
[02:05] <daniels> perchild would be rad
[02:05] <mgotts> whats with #ubuntu.de ?
[02:05] <mgotts> nobody is there
[02:05] <mgotts> ;(
[02:06] <lifeless> GoneBoB: the ms api doesn't do the equivalent of 'dropping root' privileges.
[02:06] <lifeless> GoneBoB: which is why IIS can do that.
[02:06] <GoneBoB> lifeless: not the core, no
[02:06] <lifeless> GoneBoB: it uses the concept of a security context, which the MS api supplies, and which IIRC there is no posix equivalent for.
[02:06] <GoneBoB> yeah I know
[02:07] <GoneBoB> it's still an increbibly neat feature
[02:07] <GoneBoB> that said, the IIS authentication makes it look terrible next to apache :(
[02:07] <lifeless> without that its a bitch to do something equivalent at less granularity that an entire process, without running the hurd :)
[02:07] <GoneBoB> haha :)
[02:07] <GoneBoB> (this is for my old job, webhosting 400-600 sites on one machine)
[02:08] <GoneBoB> hard to keep each one secured from the others
[02:08] <lifeless> run 400 instances :).
[02:08] <GoneBoB> we ended up with php as a cgi binary, and mapping php with bin misc support
[02:08] <daniels> i doubt the boxes he was running on could withstand that
[02:08] <lifeless> daniels: yabt
[02:09] <lifeless> bwah
[02:09] <lifeless> yhbt
[02:09] <daniels> lifeless: yeah, but it was a good opportunity for a snide comment
[02:09] <lifeless> :)
[02:09] <GoneBoB> haha
[02:09] <GoneBoB> actually most of them were dual xeons, 2gb ram ish
[02:10] <GoneBoB> still 400 instances is crappy
[02:10] <GoneBoB> but yeah php as a cgi binary you miss out on stuff too
[02:10] <GoneBoB> so then we had to move some clients onto boxes which had it as a module
[02:12] <nyxtreme> anyone know how to get apt-get update to work with AMD64 users?
[02:13] <GoneBoB> nyxtreme: it should work already
[02:14] <nyxtreme> gonebob: it doesn't, there are like 2 files that couldn't be downloaded
[02:14] <nyxtreme> gonebob: I checked out the ftp site and there was only intel but no amd
[02:15] <nyxtreme> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[02:17] <lifeless> nyxtreme: thats the marrilat site not supporting amd64
[02:17] <nyxtreme> lifelesswhat should I do
[02:19] <mjr> nyx, see if this helps http://debian.video.free.fr/
[02:19] <djtansey> does anyone know a simple way to see if your postfix setup is sending messages? from the commandline?
[02:19] <mjr> I looked it up yesterday to get a libdvdcss package for my amd64 system
[02:19] <nyxtreme> coool
[02:20] <nyxtreme> do I just download them?
[02:20] <nyxtreme> or do I copy the site to the sources.list
[02:21] <mjr> yeah try adding the appropriate lines to sources.list (and delete the regular marillat)
[02:21] <nyxtreme> okay thanks alot
[02:22] <mjr> note that all of the stuff might not install on warty, because they're built against unstable debian
[02:22] <reperire> Has anyone used Mathematica on Ubuntu?
[02:22] <mjr> I only installed the libdvdcss package, which worked fine
[02:24] <nyxtreme> I also got thies error
[02:24] <nyxtreme> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[02:24] <nyxtreme> the testing bit
[02:27] <mjr> nyxtreme, yes, because that doesn't support amd64 - just pick the amd64 bits
[02:27] <reperire> Does anyone know if Mathematica will run on Ubuntu?
[02:27] <nyxtreme> it's all on the site you gave me?
[02:28] <opi> never saw it, but if it runs on other Linux distros, why not?
[02:28] <mjr> nyxtreme, well, all that I know about :)
[02:28] <reperire> opi: Yeah it says it runs on Red Hat, so you reckon it'll run on Ubuntu?
[02:28] <mjr> yeah, I don't know if it runs, but it'd be a small wonder if it didn't
[02:28] <opi> reperire: if it comes in binary form and it's linked staticly, then I see no problem
[02:28] <mjr> assuming the correct cpu architecture that is )
[02:28] <reperire> Okay.
[02:29] <opi> reperire: use alien to convert it to Debian package
[02:29] <nyxtreme> okay, I'll see if there's everything, thanks
[02:29] <opi> reperire: you'll avoid dep. problems
[02:30] <reperire> Thanks opi.
[02:37] <nyxtreme> anyone know a site that works for AMD64 to add into the sources.list so I can update correctly?
[02:37] <nyxtreme> forfor stable and test
[02:37] <nyxtreme> testing*
[02:54] <nyxtreme> anyone know a site that works for AMD64 to add into the sources.list so I can update correctly for stable and testing?
[03:00] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  Is the new calendar picture released yet?
[03:12] <nyxtreme> anyone know a site that works for AMD64 to add into the sources.list so I can update correctly for stable and testing?
[03:16] <Q-FUNK> nyxtreme: what do you mean, update correctly?
[03:16] <Q-FUNK> nyxtreme: you wanna switch to stanbdard deb8ian amd64 or?
[03:19] <nyxtreme> q-funk: here's an example of an error I get
[03:20] <nyxtreme> q-funk:W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:21] <nyxtreme> q-funk: the other one is... W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:22] <Q-FUNK> nyxtreme: brb ... heading to kiosk and back. i'll answer right after
[03:23] <nyxtreme> q-funk: okay
[03:28] <marjorie> does anyone know how i can make the nautilus "file browser" view come up by default?
[03:31] <mjr> from its preferences
[03:32] <mjr> the second tab from the left, third option from top
[03:32] <mjr> (can't be bothered to guess the reverse-translations ;)
[03:37] <marjorie> mjr: always open in brouser windows?
[03:38] <marjorie> mjr: thx :)
[03:39] <mjr> yeah, that one
[03:53] <xevil> the silence in here is deafening... everyone must be hung over :)
[03:54] <gsuveg> re
[03:56] <hahu> Hello
[03:57] <hahu> When i boot ubuntu, i get messages that say: /sbin/mgetty: No such file or directory ?!?
[03:57] <gsuveg> ryan: are you here ?
[03:57] <marjorie> :), ive got questions..
[03:58] <marjorie> how can i stop the samba shares appearing automatically on my desktop
[04:00] <[oZaR] > hi
[04:03] <hahu> marjorie: Only an idea but you could try to set /apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible to false
[04:03] <marjorie> hahu: thx ill try
[04:10] <marjorie> hahu: where is that?
[04:11] <opi> marjorie: in register, me thinks ;)
[04:11] <marjorie> gconf?
[04:11] <opi> seems so, I'm not big Gnome expert :)
[04:13] <marjorie> hahu:opi: sorted
[04:21] <marjorie> how can i do a DNS name lookup from an ip in linux?
[04:22] <ik5pvx> dig -x
[04:22] <marjorie> winblow equiv of ping -a
[04:22] <ik5pvx> no idea what that does
[04:23] <marjorie> i type in ip it pings and brings back dns name
[04:23] <ik5pvx> dig -x ipaddress will give you the hostname if it exists
[04:29] <jayeola> marjorie: i think that ping -a makes a beep when the destination is reached
[04:30] <jayeola> like ping -a -c 10 xxx.xxx.x.xxx would ping 10 times and each time the addy is contacted, you hear a beep
[04:30] <marjorie> dig -x aint working i think its trying to get the host name from the server wich is just a router in this case
[04:31] <ik5pvx> it may just be that no one set the reverse mapping for that IP address, which is quite likely for a router
[04:32] <ik5pvx> what ip is it ?
[04:37] <cavediver> Hi all. Can someone pursuade me of changing my sid-installation for Ubuntu.
[04:37] <cavediver> :)
[04:37] <cavediver> I'm not entirely happy with things right now, as some stuff break.
[04:39] <opi> someone raported successful migration from SID to Ubuntu
[04:39] <cavediver> Ok.
[04:39] <opi> but I'm not sure if he write some papers
[04:39] <opi> go, see Wiki, then search in ml archive
[04:41] <kuckus> hi y'all
[04:42] <Cervantes_> Hello Everyone
[04:42] <kirk> Hello Everyone
[04:43] <nyxtreme> huh..lol
[04:44] <Cervantes_> Is there anyone here that could give me a little bit of help regarding a dual install of ubuntu and windows?
[04:44] <kuckus> I'm trying to get my Nokin Coolpix 2000 digicam to work with gphoto2. From what I've read in various forums it can only be done in PTP mode, because USB mass storage support of the 2.6.x kernel seems to be broken. However, I've had no luck getting it to work in PTP mode so far, gphoto doesn't detect any cameras at all. Anyone been there before and got an idea what I need to do to swutch to PTP mode or what I am missing?
[04:45] <jayeola> why don't you mount it like a normal drive/device?
[04:46] <jayeola> dmeg |tail should show u what u have just plugged in
[04:46] <jayeola> [that works for me] 
[04:46] <jayeola> then [as root]  mount /dev/[name of device] 
[04:47] <jayeola> but like i said, that works for me
[04:47] <kuckus> I think I tried that already, but let mee what dmesg says...
[04:47] <jayeola> just do dmesg |tail
[04:47] <[oZaR] ^^> bye
[04:48] <jayeola> will show the last few lines. u don't need to see all of dmesg
[04:50] <kuckus> ok, so it's /dev/sda - but when I do 'mount /dev/sda /mnt/camera' it says 'mount: no medium found' (or possibly no device found - translating that from German)
[04:52] <kuckus> do you have a 2.6 kernel as well? As I said I read somethink about 2.6.x having problems with mounting cameras directly
[04:52] <grepper> kuckus, try mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera
[04:53] <Cervantes_> Say, is there anything I must do in linux to make it so that ubuntu can read files on my FAT32 partition (the other harddrive)?
[04:53] <grepper> actually when I plug in my usb storage camera, it pops up a nautilas window with it mounted
[04:53] <nad> kuckus, try to cat the device first .. see if its really there in the first place
[04:54] <kuckus> grepper, still the same error msg when mounting with -t vfat
[04:55] <ik5pvx> could it be that the camera has a notion of partition table and you need to mount /dev/sda1 instead ?
[04:55] <grepper> kuckus, paste the line from dmesg
[04:55] <kuckus> when I plug it in, it doesn't show in nautilus at all so far
[04:55] <occy> happy new year *
[04:55] <occy> if I got an external usb CD drive.... should I be able to install off of it?
[04:55] <grepper> ik5pvx, yes, he was doing /dev/sda1
[04:55] <occy> My laptops cd drive is dead.
[04:55] <kuckus> ik5pvx, not sure, but I tried both sda and sda1 already
[04:56] <kuckus> grepper, scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[04:56] <kuckus>   Vendor: NIKON     Model: DSC E2000         Rev: 1.00
[04:56] <kuckus>   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 02
[04:56] <kuckus> SCSI device sda: 250369 512-byte hdwr sectors (128 MB)
[04:56] <kuckus> sda: Write Protect is off
[04:56] <kuckus> sda: Mode Sense: 04 00 00 00
[04:56] <kuckus> sda: assuming drive cache: write through
[04:56] <kuckus>  /dev/scsi/host3/bus0/target0/lun0: p1
[04:56] <kuckus> Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi3, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[04:56] <kuckus> USB Mass Storage device found at 5
[04:56] <occy> kuckus, use #flood
[04:56] <aquarius> When browsing to a Windows machine on my network through Gnome, I get "you do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of Windows Network: <computer name>", but "smbclient -L //<computer name>" works fine. WHich permissions do I have set incorrectly?
[04:56] <grepper> kuckus, I said "the" line, not to flood
[04:56] <ik5pvx> it looks like there is a single partition
[04:56] <kuckus> ok sorry
[04:57] <Cervantes_> aquarius: can you actually see the files on your windows partition?
[04:57] <scoon> kuckus, check this out: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=939
[04:57] <aquarius> Cervantes_, from where? Nautilus or the CLI?
[04:58] <jayeola> kuckus: mount /dev/sda1
[04:58] <Cervantes_> err, just in gnome in general.  file manager, whatever you like
[04:58] <aquarius> Cervantes_, smbclient //computer/sharename works fine and I can see the files. From Nautilus, I get the error when I double-click the server name.
[04:59] <Cervantes_> sorry aquarius, I can't help you.  I was hoping you could help me :)
[04:59] <aquarius> Cervantes_, ok, cheers :)
[05:00] <ik5pvx> anyway usb mass storage is not broken in 2.6.9 at least, I'm using it with an external HD, and a colleague uses it with one of those usb keys. Never had the pleasure to try a camera though
[05:00] <kuckus> scoon, yep, been there already - my problem was that I wasn't sure how to set the mode to PTP
[05:00] <Cervantes_> aquarius, could I ask you one quick question?
[05:00] <aquarius> sure
[05:00] <scoon> kuckus, did you get that part of it figured out.
[05:00] <Cervantes_> awesome.  Did you have any trouble accessing your windows partition?
[05:01] <Cervantes_> from inside linux
[05:01] <kuckus> scoon, not yet, no - it was suggested I'd try mounting it directly first
[05:01] <aquarius> Cervantes_, trouble in what sense? (I don't have a Windows partition on this machine; I'm trying to access network shared files on a different machine)
[05:01] <Shimonn> hi, i just installed ubuntu but my network doesn't work
[05:01] <Cervantes_> Ooh, I see what you mean.
[05:02] <Cervantes_> Thanks anyways. :)
[05:02] <bretzel> Hi all happy new year 2005.
[05:02] <scoon> kuckus, according to gphoto the only way your camera will work is in PTP mode.  I'd figure out what that is first.
[05:02] <Cervantes_> Happy New Year bretzel
[05:02] <Shimonn> when i ping other computers i get an "Destionation Host Unreachable"
[05:02] <scoon> kuckus, once you do, you will prolly mount it w/ /dev/sda1 or sda2 or sdb1 or sdb2 depending on what else is mounted.
[05:02] <kuckus> scoon, should pphoto be detecting the camera automatically as a PTP model, do you know if I have to set anything manually for that to happen?
[05:03] <setite> whats the linux equivalent of a .exe
[05:03] <scoon> kuckus, no.  I have a sony cybershot and it just works.
[05:03] <bretzel> uh... I have downloaded some .deb ( kdevelop*.deb) in my home dir. How can I install those pkg ? ( apt-get ? dunno how to tell it to install )
[05:03] <setite> does linux run .exe... because the folding@home program for linux is a .exe
[05:03] <scoon> kuckus, try here: http://www.google.com/linux
[05:03] <ik5pvx> Shimonn, what kind of network, and was it connected while you installed ?
[05:03] <scoon> kuckus, or here http://www.gphoto.org/
[05:04] <nyxtreme> ddoes anyone know how to solve this error message if I'm using AMD64?
[05:04] <nyxtreme> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:04] <nyxtreme> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:04] <Shimonn> a simple ethernet home network, i works fine with windows on the same computer
[05:04] <aquarius> setite, executable programs in Linux are those marked as executable. They don't need any special filename extension.
[05:04] <jayeola> stop!
[05:04] <ik5pvx> bretzel, that's not the way you normally install a deb, but dpkg -i filename will work. Now, why didn't you just use aptitude or synaptic instead ?
[05:05] <aquarius> nyxtreme, it's probably not serious: it means that it's trying to find its local copy of the list of packages from another mirror. Did you just do a "reload" in synaptic to update your packagelist?
[05:05] <ik5pvx> Shimonn, default install looks for a dhcp server. do you have one in your net ? (your cable/dsl router may have one inside)
[05:05] <Shimonn> i've one, the install didn't found it
[05:06] <nyxtreme> aquarius: no, I used the terminal to update
[05:06] <kuckus> scoon, ok thanks.  It seems the Nikon should be showing up as a generic PTP camera when you call gphoto2 with --auto-detect, but it doesn't for me
[05:06] <nyxtreme> aquarius: I typed sudo apt-get update
[05:06] <ik5pvx> Shimonn, what's in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0 ?
[05:06] <aquarius> nyxtreme, try running the same update command again and see if you get the error a second time?
[05:06] <jayeola> kuckus: just mount it like it told u to, then make an entry in /etc/fstab
[05:06] <nyxtreme> aquarius: yes..I got it like alotta times now..I tired it alotta times
[05:06] <Shimonn> while running dhclient, the DHCP server receives the requests and answer, but ubuntu doesn't receive the answer
[05:07] <bretzel> synaptic I know - don't know about aptitude :-) dpkg - ok thx... Because I've got kde installed with apt-get install kde from universe repo. but kdevelop isn't htere or the version is too old: 2.1.5 -- Thus I got version 3.0.91 from debian.org/...sid/kde/binary.../kdevelop ..etc ..
[05:07] <aquarius> nyxtreme, can you paste your sources.list into #flood?
[05:07] <Cervantes_> Can linux read dos partitions?
[05:07] <aquarius> Cervantes_, yes.
[05:07] <nyxtreme> aquarius: what's #flood?
[05:07] <Shimonn>  /etc/network/interfaces gives the config i set during the install (as dhcp didn't work), which is correct
[05:08] <aquarius> nyxtreme, another channel. /join #flood and then paste it in there (so I can see it but it doesn't overwhelm this channel)
[05:08] <stuNNed> anyone know the url for setting up k3b in ubuntu?
[05:08] <ik5pvx> Shimonn, and it doesn't work with the manual config either ?
[05:08] <kuckus> jayeola, tried that already, but mount says there is no device "/dev/sda1" and for /dev/sda which I also tried it says there's no medium to be found
[05:08] <scoon> kuckus, hmmm.  when you plug it in, does anything get logged ?
[05:08] <Shimonn> no
[05:08] <nyxtreme> aquarius: oh okay
[05:08] <jayeola> kuckus: is it plugged in?
[05:08] <ik5pvx> Shimonn, did you do "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" after changing the config ?
[05:08] <Cervantes_> I'm reading this howto, and it says to go into fdisk and do some stuff.  This command is interesting:  "c --> toggle the dos compatibility flag".  Do I have to use that?
[05:08] <bretzel> ik5pvx:Thank you :-) I'am going to fire dkpg :-)
[05:09] <Shimonn> i didn't changed it
[05:09] <Shimonn> i set it during the install
[05:09] <ik5pvx> oh ok
[05:09] <kuckus> scoon, yep, vendor and model are listed correctly and it looks as though it should be at /dev/sda
[05:09] <ik5pvx> is the interface up ?
[05:09] <mantas> how can i manage which kernel modules to load when booting?
[05:09] <aquarius> Cervantes_, I doubt it. Linux will happily mount a dos partition (just put a line in /etc/fstab)
[05:09] <mantas> dabian has modconf
[05:10] <mantas> dabian = debian
[05:10] <kuckus> jayeola, I'd think so ;)
[05:10] <Cervantes_> aquarius: so I do have to change that file!  What exactly, may I ask, must I add to /etc/fstab ?
[05:10] <Shimonn> i see in the logs the dhcp sent a DHCPOFFER but dhclient on ubuntu say "no DHCPOFFER received"
[05:10] <jayeola> kuckus: hold on a sec
[05:11] <aquarius> Cervantes_, you'll want something like "/dev/<my dos partition>    /mnt/<where to mount it>   auto   defaults   0   2"
[05:11] <ik5pvx> Shimonn, did you use that network card/cable patch before, possibly with another OS ?
[05:11] <Shimonn> yes
[05:11] <Shimonn> it works without problem with windows
[05:11] <nyxtreme> aqurius: do you know what I can do?
[05:11] <ik5pvx> ok
[05:11] <aquarius> nyxtreme, why do you want all three repositories?
[05:12] <Cervantes_> thanks aquarius, I'll play around with that.  (gotta reboot into linux lol.  I gotta get the internet working on linux too :P )
[05:12] <ik5pvx> does ifconfig eth0 say anything strange ?
[05:12] <nyxtreme> aqaquarius: because with out it, I can't install alotta other things
[05:12] <jayeola> kuckus: http://jayeola.org/wordpress/index.php?p=74
[05:13] <aquarius> nyxtreme, you shouldn't need lines for stable, testing, *and* unstable in there, I don't think?
[05:13] <nyxtreme> aquarius: I do, to download packages
[05:13] <Shimonn> all the netxork config is ok
[05:14] <aquarius> nyxtreme, there are some packages in Marillat's stable repos that aren't in unstable?
[05:14] <Shimonn> network*
[05:14] <Cervantes_> actually, aquarius, <my dos partition> would be what, exactly?  (an example would be great).  <where to mount it> would be hda0 (it's my master harddrive, actually)
[05:14] <nyxtreme> aquarius: appears so, because I still get error message for stable and testing
[05:14] <aquarius> Cervantes_, Ah, no. <my dos partition> is hda0. <where to mount it> is an empty directory that is your mount point (like, say, /mnt/dos) which you create)
[05:15] <Cervantes_> aquarius:  gee thanks lol.  Probably wouldn't have been too healthy if I had done what I first thought!  Thanks a ton!  I'm going to go play around with this :)
[05:15] <aquarius> nyxtreme, you should just have "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main" and that's it, I think.
[05:15] <ik5pvx> Shimonn, paste "ip -4 addr; ip -4 route" to #flood
[05:16] <aquarius> Cervantes_, have a read up on the mount command, mount points, and what /etc/fstab is. There are HOWTOs around, I blieve.
[05:16] <Cervantes_> will do!
[05:16] <nyxtreme> aquarius:P no, it doesn't work..cos that site doesn't have anything for AMD64
[05:16] <Shimonn> i can't paste directly i'm using IRC from another computer
[05:16] <kuckus> jayeola, that's almost exactly what I've been doing - just tried again and when I mount /dev/sda it still says "no media found"
[05:17] <nyxtreme> aquarius: it only has things for intel
[05:17] <kuckus> jayeola, so the device does exist, but for mount there's nothing in it...?
[05:17] <jayeola> kuckus: what about sda1
[05:17] <nyxtreme> aquarius: so I was wondering if anbody knew a site with AMD64 packages
[05:17] <kuckus> jayeola, 'mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist'
[05:17] <jayeola> hmmm
[05:17] <jayeola> dunno, sorry
[05:18] <jayeola> i'm in fedora partition right no
[05:18] <ik5pvx> Shimonn, ok. Your eth0 should have  <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP>  and a reasonable ip address. Your routing table should show at least a default route and an entry for the LAN where eth0 sits
[05:19] <aquarius> nyxtreme, ah, right, gotcha. try "deb http://cyberspace.ucla.edu/marillat/ unstable main", perhaps?
[05:19] <nyxtreme> aquarius: yeah I tried that, didn't work lol
[05:19] <Shimonn> yes, all is ok
[05:19] <aquarius> nyxtreme, what does it do when you try it?
[05:19] <kuckus> jayeola, not a problem - I guess I'll just give it another try in a few days, when I need the camera I still have windows around...
[05:19] <nyxtreme> aquarius: same as the old one, cannot find package
[05:20] <ik5pvx> Shimonn, does the command 'arp' show anything ?
[05:20] <kuckus> thanks for the help anyway!
[05:20] <Shimonn> nothing
[05:20] <jayeola> kuckus: when i 1st got a camera i had the same problems that u have. but i won a flash card reader in a competition
[05:20] <Shimonn> but i see ubuntu's IP in arp from the DHCP server
[05:21] <ik5pvx> Shimonn, do you have any other network interfaces on that machine ?
[05:21] <Shimonn> no
[05:21] <aquarius> nyxtreme, in that case I'm not sure, I'm afraid. Perhaps someone else can help...
[05:21] <jayeola> kuckus:   those camera apps never seemed to work for me - hence the flash card reader
[05:21] <nyxtreme> aquarius: oh well..thanks alot for trying to help me though
[05:21] <ik5pvx> Shimonn, how do you connect to the dhcp server ? is there a switch or a hub in the middle  or is it just a crossed cable ?
[05:21] <Shimonn> u switch
[05:21] <setite> how do i get the buddy window in gaim to close?
[05:21] <setite> without signing off
[05:22] <aquarius> setite, click the gaim icon in your notification area
[05:22] <Shimonn> the network works with other computers and from the same computer on windows
[05:22] <kuckus> jayeola, actually I have a flashcard reader in this laptop... but I doubt it's working under Linux and it isn't for compactflash anyway ;)
[05:22] <setite> ok?
[05:23] <ik5pvx> Shimonn, does the switch have any leds telling if the connection is 10 or 100, full or half ? Any debugging ? I am suspecting that the interface is in half duplex when itshould be in full duplex
[05:23] <Shimonn> a led say the cable is connected
[05:23] <kuckus> well, well... I'm off for now, see you
[05:23] <ik5pvx> also check any leds on the back of the network interface
[05:23] <Shimonn> a led show the activity
[05:24] <ik5pvx> and have a look at dmesg | grep eth0 for  any suspicious message
[05:24] <Shimonn> yes, the cables are OK
[05:24] <Shimonn> it works when i boot on windows
[05:24] <Shimonn> instead of ubuntu
[05:25] <Verr> OkayHey
[05:25] <Verr> Hey
[05:25] <Verr> ...
[05:25] <Verr> Who knows how to modify partitions in linux?
[05:25] <ik5pvx> what network interface is it ?
[05:26] <thoreauputic> Verr:  fdisk , cfdisk, parted , qtparted
[05:26] <thoreauputic> Verr: any of the above
[05:26] <Shimonn> dmesg => nothing worng
[05:26] <Shimonn> "no ipv6 routers" but i'm using ipv4
[05:27] <thoreauputic> Verr: kind of depends what you are wanting to do
[05:27] <MyKq3> hello
[05:28] <Shimonn> i'm sorry, 'ive to go
[05:28] <ik5pvx> Shimonn, try launching "tcpdump -i eth0" as root in an xterm, and try pinging your router/dhcp server in another
[05:28] <ik5pvx> you should at least see some arp traffic
[05:28] <Shimonn> i've to go
[05:28] <ik5pvx> ok
[05:29] <MyKq3> hello i have a problem to connecting my ubuntu to my router
[05:30] <MyKq3> now i m sure that my router and my ADSL modem r working just fine
[05:30] <MyKq3> ( cuse  i m talking from the same machine that ubuntu is installed )
[05:32] <MyKq3> can some one help me with that plz ...
[05:32] <MyKq3> i think  that all ineed  to do is to make a new connction .... ( for some resone i can't reconfigure my old one )
[05:33] <Verr> thoreauputic thanks
[05:33] <thoreauputic> Verr: no worries, hope that helps
[05:34] <mantas> how can i manage which kernel modules to load when booting?
[05:35] <thoreauputic> Verr: qtparted has a GUI so it's friendlier
[05:35] <aquarius> mantas, /etc/modules contains the list of modules that are explicitly loaded (rather than those which are loaded by hotplug)
[05:36] <mantas> aquarius, when i'm booting ubuntu i see some modules failing to load
[05:36] <mantas> hw_random and some others
[05:37] <mantas> so i want not to load them
[05:37] <thoreauputic> mantas: is everything working as expected, or are these messages showstoppers ?
[05:38] <mantas> thoreauputic, showstoppers???
[05:38] <thoreauputic> mantas: does the machine boot OK, and does everything work as you wish?
[05:38] <MyKq3> can some one tell plz how can i make new connciton to my router plz
[05:38] <ACIDnet> hey, trying to access a windows share and when i enter my password it justs asks again - but i know its might
[05:38] <ACIDnet> any help??
[05:39] <mantas> thoreauputic, yes but i dont like warnings :)
[05:39] <thoreauputic> mantas: heh - they are probably harmless and can be ignored then
[05:40] <thoreauputic> mantas: Linux often spits out a lot of "warnins" - even when you launch apps from a terminal
[05:40] <thoreauputic> *warnings
[05:41] <thoreauputic> mantas:  for instance, KDE apps spit debug stuff into my nice clean aterm while I'm running Fluxbox :(
[05:41] <mantas> thoreauputic, but it says somethin like this: loading hw_random
[05:42] <mantas> failed to load: no such device
[05:42] <thoreauputic> it's just loooking for options
[05:42] <thoreauputic> if it doesn't find them, it moves on
[05:42] <mantas> thoreauputic, but its KDE not kernel modules
[05:42] <thoreauputic> it's being verbose, that's all
[05:43] <Riddell> thoreauputic: then turn off debugging output
[05:43] <thoreauputic> mantas: bottom line is - if it ain't broke, don't fix it ;)
[05:43] <Verr> thoreauputic i use qtparted now...
[05:43] <Verr> "no device, maybe you are not the root user"
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Riddell: yes, I know about kdebug but it never lasts longer than a few minutes for some reason ;(
[05:44] <Verr> Crappy :/
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Verr: and *are* you the root user?
[05:44] <Verr> uh
[05:44] <Verr> I am only one user
[05:44] <Verr> No idea if im not :D
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Verr: use sudo
[05:44] <Verr> Yeah?
[05:45] <thoreauputic> yeah
[05:45] <Verr> then i enter the pass and tada?
[05:45] <thoreauputic> what are you doing? launching it from a terminal?
[05:45] <Verr> no
[05:45] <Verr> With run application
[05:45] <thoreauputic> ah - and it doesn't prompt for a password?
[05:46] <Verr> yeah :(
[05:46] <Verr> It doesnt...
[05:46] <thoreauputic> hmm...OK I would try with sudo in an xterm, gnome-terminal or whatever
[05:46] <Verr> Well it was "no device found, maybe you are not using the root user?"
[05:46] <Verr> Sudo?
[05:46] <Verr> Sudo qtparted huh?
[05:47] <thoreauputic> Verr: you have to have root privileges to mess with partitions
[05:47] <Verr> Isnt the first user root?
[05:47] <thoreauputic> Verr: yep. Or better, sudo qtparted & so you can still use the terminal
[05:48] <Verr> So with "sudo qtparted" I open qtparted?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> Verr: no, the first user is in the sudoers group
[05:48] <sky_HALud> hi
[05:48] <thoreauputic> Verr: should work OK
[05:48] <Verr> Ahha
[05:48] <Verr> Works!
[05:48] <Verr> Thx again ;)
[05:48] <Verr> hope you dont go nuts with me :D
[05:49] <Verr> Well
[05:49] <thoreauputic> Verr: one thing to watch - if you have trouble logging in, after using sudo with KDE apps, you might have to delete your ~/.Xauthority file
[05:50] <Verr> The problem didnt get fixed.
[05:50] <thoreauputic> Verr: ?
[05:50] <Verr> I cant fix the prob with qtparted
[05:50] <thoreauputic> what is the prob?
[05:50] <Verr> So...
[05:50] <Verr> Im trying to use winxp too
[05:50] <Verr> It was there when i started installing ubuntu
[05:50] <Verr> OH CRAP!
[05:51] <Verr> Im stupid..
[05:51] <Verr> nvm...
[05:51] <thoreauputic> Verr: try typing  ` sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda to see your partitions
[05:51] <peejay> hi
[05:52] <MyKq3> for some resome i can connect to the internet with my windows but not with my Ubuntu  can some one help me plz
[05:52] <thoreauputic> Verr: assuming you have only one hard disk
[05:52] <peejay> how do i edit grub menu.1st
[05:52] <sky_HALud> Problem: I'd like to get _hardware_ RAID (0) support at install time for the amd64 bit distribution. I have
[05:52] <VirtualDarKness> peejay, sudo gedit /boot/grub/meun.lst
[05:52] <sky_HALud> an Abit A8V motherboard with the VIA K8T800 Pro/ VT8237 chipset.
[05:52] <peejay> gedit?
[05:52] <VirtualDarKness> or nano
[05:52] <Sacred> or vi.
[05:52] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: you need to be more specific I think as to what the problem is
[05:53] <peejay> the problem is i cant see anything in the file when in a console. i can see only in kwrite
[05:53] <MyKq3> the problem is that i can't confiure my connction on ubuntu
[05:54] <peejay> the problem with krite is i can t save it cos its only read only
[05:54] <MyKq3> i m connnction to the insternet though router and ADSL modem ....
[05:55] <Sacred> peejay: sudo kwrite /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:56] <Sacred> MyKq3: so your box is connected through ethernet to the router ?
[05:56] <MyKq3> and on windows i can connect to the net but when i load ubuntu i can't connect  ... the eth0 is running but i can't c websites or any thingy else
[05:56] <peejay> kwrite is in xwindow right?
[05:56] <MyKq3> Sacred, yeah
[05:56] <thoreauputic> peejay: kwrite is n KDE
[05:56] <thoreauputic> peejay: you've installed KDE, yes?
[05:57] <Sacred> are you on dhcp or did you configure your network manually ?
[05:57] <peejay> yea
[05:57] <MyKq3> i configured my network manuall
[05:57] <MyKq3> i configured my network manually ***
[05:57] <peejay> thoreauputic: the problem with krite is i can t save it cos its only read only
[05:58] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: can you ping IP addresses from a termianl?
[05:58] <Sacred> did you check that all the settings are alright (IP, submask, gateway). You may check that through ifconfig and netstat -nr.
[05:58] <MyKq3> to the router?
[05:58] <MyKq3> Sacred,  yeah
[05:58] <thoreauputic> peejay: you were told how to overcome that ` sudo kwrite <name of file> in a terminal
[05:58] <peejay> ok
[05:58] <Sacred> also check that your /etc/resolv.conf well set.
[05:59] <Sacred> see if you can ping 216.139.59.99
[05:59] <MyKq3> Sacred,  hum... i have not checked it
[06:00] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: unless you have nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf  , you will only be able to connect with IP addresses
[06:00] <MyKq3> Sacred,  hum okay ...  should i ping it from Ubuntu ? or can i check it from my Windoes
[06:00] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: from ubuntu obviously
[06:01] <thoreauputic> that's where the debugging has to be done
[06:01] <Sacred> Check it from Ubuntu, MyKq3.
[06:01] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  okay i will restart now
[06:01] <MyKq3> should i check any thing else?
[06:01] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: good luck - first see if there's anything in /etc/resolv.conf
[06:02] <Sacred> try to check what /etc/network/interfaces says.
[06:02] <thoreauputic> and make a note of those for us :)
[06:02] <thoreauputic> or tell us before you reboot - better
[06:02] <MyKq3> Sacred,  i have allready checked  /etc/network/interfaces and as far as i can c evry thingy is okay there
[06:03] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  sure thing
[06:03] <Sacred> if you can ping that address, means that the problem comes from your /etc/resolv.conf which doesn't contain the correct name servers.
[06:03] <MyKq3> BRB
[06:03] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: what does /etc/resolv.conf have in it?
[06:03] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  don't konw i didn't checked it yet
[06:03] <MyKq3> i m offf to check it BRB
[06:04] <Sacred> k :)
[06:04] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: ah sorry you are in Win still ?
[06:04] <BradB> http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/1505: Any idea why--based on that xev output--my Caps Lock doesn't behave like a Control_L key? (e.g. when I do Caps Lock + U, it doesn't clear the command line in a bash shell, etc.)
[06:04] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  yeah
[06:04] <stuNNed> anyone know the url for setting up k3b in ubuntu?
[06:06] <thoreauputic> stuNNed:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search?SearchableText=k3b
[06:07] <thoreauputic> hmmm... not exactly what you are looking for, sorry
[06:07] <stuNNed> thoreauputic, np
[06:08] <thoreauputic> stuNNed: basically you would need to enable Universe and do an update, then install k3b
[06:08] <Genesis> hi
[06:08] <exlt>  /etc/debian_version indicates 'testing/unstable' - is ubuntu based from sarge or sid?
[06:08] <thoreauputic> either with Synaptic package manager or apt-get
[06:09] <thoreauputic> exlt: mostly Sid I believe
[06:09] <thoreauputic> exlt: but a snapshot of Sid
[06:09] <Sacred> Maybe you would want to remap it through setkeycodes, BradB.
[06:09] <exlt> thx - looking to add an apt source tree and wondering which to choose  :)
[06:10] <Genesis> I'm new to the whole Linux idea and someone suggested I give Ubuntu a try.....is there a live cd version so I can try it out before deciding to install it on the hdd
[06:10] <thoreauputic> exlt: go to ubuntulinux.org and do a search for universe and multiverse - don't use Sid
[06:10] <ogra> thoreauputic: i guess you meant this one for k3b:  https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988/
[06:10] <VirtualDarKness> ..hi, does anyone know if there is a back port of gimp 2.2 to warty?
[06:10] <VirtualDarKness> (actually, I'm just courious cause I already have hoary installed)
[06:10] <BradB> Sacred: What's wrong with the current events output?
[06:12] <thoreauputic> ogra: hmm... login required?
[06:12] <ogra> thoreauputic: yup....bug already filed ;)
[06:12] <thoreauputic> ogra: haven't seen that before
[06:12] <ogra> Genesis: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/warty/release/warty-live-i386.iso
[06:13] <Genesis> oh good
[06:13] <Genesis> thank you
[06:13] <thoreauputic> ogra: OK registering now :/
[06:14] <stuNNed> thoreauputic, yes but what's the proper way to run k3bsetup?
[06:15] <thoreauputic> stuNNed: unfortunately it needs root privileges, which can do weird things to your .Xauthority file
[06:15] <thoreauputic> ie you can get locked out
[06:16] <stuNNed> ouch
[06:16] <Sacred> BradB: looks like it's not correctly mapped. The Xlookupstring gives 0 bytes where it should at least be 1.
[06:16] <stuNNed> there was doc on ubuntu forums for setting it up can't find now though
[06:16] <Sacred> What does you .Xmodmap look like, BradB ?
[06:16] <thoreauputic> stuNNed: my work-around is to delete ~/.Xauthority (it gets regenerated next login)
[06:16] <stuNNed> thoreauputic, that is the only file that is affected?
[06:17] <thoreauputic> hmm.. maybe it's >ICEauthority actually
[06:17] <BradB> Sacred: Maybe I'm clueless, but why would a Ctrl key have a one-byte string associated with it? As you can see from what I pasted, even my true left control key does not.
[06:17] <thoreauputic> sorry .ICEauthority IIRC
[06:17] <stuNNed> thoreauputic, k
[06:17] <MyKq3> hello i m back
[06:17] <BradB> Sacred: I don't have a .Xmodmap. I made this config change with Gnome's keyboard config tool.
[06:18] <thoreauputic> stuNNed: if you get that error it tells you the file anyway
[06:18] <MyKq3> thoreauputic, it seems that evry  thing is okay
[06:18] <stuNNed> thoreauputic, ah ok then
[06:18] <Sacred> mmh, nevermind, you're right. Probably didn't recover yet from my night.
[06:18] <Sacred> Were you able to ping the address MyKq3 ?
[06:19] <MyKq3> u mean like googles addres ....
[06:19] <MyKq3> hum  i didnt' tryed ....
[06:20] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: you need to try the things we suggested - it's part of the problem solving process
[06:20] <MyKq3> hum  i have not tryed ....
[06:20] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: well, go and try then ;)
[06:20] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  yeah i forget i m sorry
[06:21] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: write it down: check nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf and try to ping the IP address
[06:21] <MyKq3> can u plz gemme an ip to ping ?
[06:21] <thoreauputic>   216.239.57.99
[06:21] <thoreauputic> should be google
[06:21] <MyKq3> thanks
[06:21] <thoreauputic> but *don't* ping a name, ping a number :)
[06:22] <MyKq3> okay i will do that
[06:22] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:22] <MyKq3> =) BRBR
[06:25] <smooth-operator> hello, the terminal says i have new mail in var/mail/myusername how do i check it?
[06:26] <siretart> smooth-operator: it is delivered by default to your local mailspool in /var/mail. point your mail client to use that
[06:27] <smooth-operator> ok thanks
[06:27] <thoreauputic> smooth-operator: or you can just type `mail` in the terminal and hit enter a couple of times
[06:28] <Cervantes_> Does anyone know how to get .mp3 files working in ubuntu?
[06:29] <wezzer-> Cervantes_: yes
[06:29] <wezzer-> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:30] <wezzer-> type that in console
[06:30] <Cervantes_> where will that get the file from?  I'm new to linux
[06:30] <sensebend> wezzer-, doesn't universe need to be enabled for that?
[06:30] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  okay i resived this massage connect: Network is unreachable
[06:30] <wezzer-> sensebend: if I remember right, nope
[06:31] <sensebend> is anyone able to dist-upgrade to hoary right now?
[06:31] <MyKq3> what do u  think that problem is ....
[06:32] <MyKq3> Sacred, any ideals ?
[06:32] <Cervantes_> wezzer-: that won't require the internet, will it?
[06:32] <wezzer-> Cervantes_: yes it will :/
[06:32] <Cervantes_> blast
[06:32] <Cervantes_> I guess I'm going to need to set up the internet first, in that case
[06:33] <wezzer-> yes
[06:33] <Cervantes_> something that I'm having trouble with :/
[06:33] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: Ok you are not routed so it isn't DNS ( resolv.conf)
[06:33] <wezzer-> Cervantes_: what kind of problem?
[06:33] <wezzer-> I believe that at least some one from here can help you with your problem
[06:33] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: your network is misconfigured - /etc/network/interfaces is wrong, I'd say
[06:33] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  okay then were should i look now? ....
[06:34] <thoreauputic>   /etc/network/interfaces
[06:34] <MyKq3> i checked it and it's like my windows conf.
[06:34] <Cervantes_> wezzer-: Well, I am assuming its a driver problem, but I can't be sure.  When I go to computer -> system something or other (can't remember, in windows right now) -> networking and set up the modem, it can't auto detect it
[06:34] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: you have entered soem wrong variables I expect
[06:34] <thoreauputic> *some
[06:34] <Cervantes_> then when I click activate, it checks it for a second or two, then unchecks it.
[06:35] <sky_HALud> Problem: I'd like to get _hardware_ RAID (0) support at install time for the amd64 bit distribution. I have an Abit A8V motherboard with the VIA K8T800 Pro/ VT8237 chipset.
[06:35] <siretart> sky_HALud: get a 3ware controller
[06:35] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: keep it in channel then everyone can contribute or learn, OK?
[06:36] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  okay .... i just wanted to show u the file and not to floood....
[06:36] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: unless you have output to paste
[06:36] <sky_HALud> siretart: only that controller is supported? is it SATA?
[06:36] <sensebend> Cervantes_, is your modem a winmodem by any chance?
[06:36] <Cervantes_> sensebend: I assume so.  It's AOpen
[06:36] <thoreauputic> ah I see - well you can paste it in #flood
[06:37] <siretart> sky_HALud: there is no other IDE controller doing real hardware raid to my knowledge
[06:37] <sensebend> http://www.linmodems.org/
[06:37] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: but I'm not really up on adsl and routers, so maybe someone else can help
[06:37] <sensebend> that's all I can really help with on your modem issue
[06:37] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  thanks.... well i haev gone though the conf. of the resolv.conf and evry thing is just fine
[06:37] <Cervantes_> k thanks
[06:37] <Cervantes_> I've looked around linuxant.com but got lost :/
[06:38] <Cervantes_> hopefully this will be easier
[06:38] <pmfp> what's the name of that program that you can use to create tag-lines for arch?
[06:38] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  hum thanks man for all your help
[06:38] <pmfp> just randomly creates a line
[06:38] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: not to state the obvious, but clearly it isn't fine since you can't connect ;)
[06:38] <MyKq3> lol yeah
[06:39] <thoreauputic> afk
[06:39] <siretart> sky_HALud: if you would have a real hardware raid controller, you would not need support for it from the installer.
[06:39] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  i don't know its just the same as in my windows and at my routers ... odd
[06:39] <sky_HALud> siretart: oh, I see. I didn't know that. then how can I have software RAID 0 support at install? I want to install Ubuntu for AMD64 on an already partitioned RAID0 array
[06:39] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: umm.. Linux is not Windows :/
[06:40] <siretart> sky_HALud: is that already partitioned raid0 array created with linux md? then it should appear in the installer
[06:40] <isaacz> hi.. during the installation the installer craps out on initrd-tools... looking at the message console it says something about aptitude not installed..
[06:40] <MyKq3> thoreauputic, i don't c y should it b diffrent ... plus it had worked with the same conf. befor
[06:41] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: if you tell the channel you are about to paste in #flood, maybe someone will see the problem
[06:41] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: it worked in Linux, you mean?
[06:41] <sky_HALud> siretart: the RAID array has been created using the RAID BIOS
[06:41] <MyKq3> okay i will paste it there
[06:41] <namaste> where does the ubuntu burn tool saves it's images which it burns
[06:41] <namaste> ?
[06:42] <JStrike>  /tmp iirc
[06:43] <namaste> JStrike, were you talking with me?
[06:43] <sky_HALud> siretart: Would the solution described at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingToRAID1/view?searchterm=raid work if I'd change the raid1 entry to raid0 in /etc/mkinitrd/modules ?
[06:44] <JStrike> yep
[06:44] <namaste> but i can't find any images
[06:44] <namaste> i burned several cds and now is my hd full
[06:44] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: is that the whole /etc/network/interfaces file?
[06:44] <siretart> sky_HALud: ah, now I understand what you try to acheive. I have to dissapoint you, I think this isn't possible.
[06:45] <namaste> (yes, i deleted the files i burned)
[06:45] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  no there is some more comments
[06:45] <siretart> sky_HALud: You would need a "driver" for your raid controller for linux to understand the settings in the bios.
[06:45] <thoreauputic> you don't seem to have a loopback interface
[06:45] <siretart> sky_HALud: I suggest you disable raid in the bios and configure decent linux software raid
[06:45] <MyKq3> this is the whole file ( check flood)
[06:47] <sky_HALud> siretart: yes. this is what understand, too. but VIA has a compilable driver for it, it's just not compiled for Ubuntu for AMD64
[06:47] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: I'm not sure abot the auto eth0 entry - I thought that was for DHCP but I'm no expert
[06:48] <siretart> sky_HALud: ah? do you have a pointer to that driver from via? has it been incorporated into the main kernel line?
[06:48] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  u think that commant them will do the trick ?
[06:48] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: and are the numbers in /etc/resolv.conf the same as those at the bottom of that file?
[06:49] <MyKq3> yeah
[06:49] <MyKq3> here i willl flood them
[06:49] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: I'm just guessing really - I have only dial up here
[06:49] <BenL> I'm trying to build the ivtv driver
[06:49] <BenL> and I get:
[06:49] <BenL> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/build SUBDIRS=/home/ben/software/unpacked/ivtv-0.3.2a/driver modules
[06:49] <BenL> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[06:49] <BenL> make: *** [all]  Error 2
[06:49] <BenL> what do I do about that?
[06:50] <sky_HALud> siretart: yes, the driver is here: http://www.viaarena.com/downloads/LinuxApplicationNotes/Apr04/via_raid_linux_v100_20040412.zip and the install instructions are at http://www.viaarena.com/downloads/LinuxApplicationNotes/Apr04/via%20ml9.2%20raid%20combo%20driver%20ver0.8a.gz . It's just that this isn't compiled for Ubuntu AMD64
[06:50] <MyKq3> okay ppl i got to go
[06:51] <MyKq3> thoreauputic, thanks for the help
[06:51] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: I'm not sure but I think you may be missing a default route entry or something similar
[06:51] <exlt> I added universe to sources.list and updated - transcode does not seem to be here - anyone using it or know best place to install from - I am looking at http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/doc/install.cipp#debian as a possible place
[06:51] <MyKq3> what do u mean by  default route entry ?
[06:52] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: hang on - looking for something
[06:52] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  okay thanks
[06:52] <thoreauputic> I have to ssh to another box in a minute to look - hold on
[06:53] <bretzel> Hi all,
[06:53] <Sacred> BenL: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.8.1-4-386
[06:53] <Sacred> then try to recompile it.
[06:54] <siretart> sky_HALud: I'm having a look at them..
[06:54] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: gateway entry
[06:54] <thoreauputic> like gateway 192.168.0.1 ( not what yours will be - it would be the IP of your router I expect)
[06:55] <sky_HALud> siretart: that's great. thanks in advance :)
[06:55] <bretzel> I realize that it is a real nigthmare to get KDE3.3.x on debian! wI went to debian.org and then navigated around in the unstable packages and then kde, libraries... Full of dependant pkgs, but nothing to help getting some repository about those huge downloads
[06:56] <siretart> sky_HALud: Ok, I looked at the "driver". it is a BLOB, a binary large object that is loaded into kernel space, no real sourcecode there, just a small wrapper around that viaprvraidm64.o
[06:57] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: also shouldn't the network entry be  network 192.168.1.0 ?
[06:57] <siretart> sky_HALud: only via can support such a BLOB, since only they have the sourcecode
[06:57] <bretzel> It seems being bleeding on debian is prohibited ?? But KDE 3.3.(1)/QT-3.3.3 are certainly NOT unstable them self... Why there is no easy links for those pkg ??
[06:57] <sky_HALud> siretart: ugh, that's nasty :(
[06:57] <sky_HALud> then I'll try to talk to them
[06:58] <sky_HALud> anyway, thanks very much for the support :)
[06:58] <siretart> sky_HALud: But, I really strongly suggest that you disable the raid functionality of that via stuff: image what happens if your mainboard burns, but the drives left functional
[06:58] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  no i have configured it on the router to b 192.168.1.1
[06:58] <siretart> sky_HALud: you would have to get exact the same mainboard again, perhaps in the same bios revision
[06:58] <siretart> sky_HALud: therefore, for data saftey, I see a real linux software raid as the superior solution. really
[06:59] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: well, I think you need the gateway entry
[06:59] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  ween i come to think about it i think u r right
[06:59] <kebac> i thought that all raid arrays work with all raid controllers
[06:59] <sky_HALud> siretart: ok. suppose I do that, is there a way to run also Windows on that array?
[06:59] <bretzel> Please Who has KDE-3.3 and all related stuff actually installed on his debian ???
[06:59] <siretart> sky_HALud: I think windows also has some sort of "logical disk manager", but I dont know how it is called. I read about "virtual drives"
[06:59] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: without a gateway the box can't find its way onto the net from behind the router afaik
[07:00] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  i think that the internet stoped around the time i conf the gateway
[07:00] <siretart> sky_HALud: this would also go without drivers from via, but I dont know windows enough to answer you that.
[07:00] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: heh - we'd be in trouble if " the internet stopped" !
[07:00] <thoreauputic> but I know what you mean
[07:01] <sky_HALud> siretart: got it. it would probably work if the linux software raid would be compiled on windows so that I could feed it with a driver disk at install
[07:01] <usual> will hoary gstreamer be able to play dvd's?
[07:01] <sky_HALud> but this raises some performance inssues
[07:01] <sky_HALud> I'll look into it
[07:02] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  okay how can i add the gateway ?
[07:02] <bretzel> Please Who has KDE-3.3 and all related stuff actually installed on his debian ???
[07:02] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: well the direct way would be to edit the file
[07:02] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  i thought it was the "network" in /etc/network/interfaces
[07:02] <thoreauputic> no
[07:02] <Riddell> bretzel: most of KDE 3.3 is in hoary
[07:03] <MyKq3> okay what should i add
[07:03] <thoreauputic> that defines the network, but not the gateway
[07:03] <kebac> what is this "hoary" everybody is talking about
[07:03] <Sacred> the unstable ubuntu distribution~
[07:03] <kebac> right
[07:03] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: the IP of your router I'd say
[07:03] <siretart> sky_HALud: linux software raid ( called md in the linux world ) is a part of the linux kernel. I never heard about a project making it accessible in windows
[07:04] <bretzel> Aha! So is it available through Synaptic ??? ( I mean a repo )
[07:04] <BenL> Sacred: ta, that helped :-)
[07:04] <thoreauputic> and your network setting is probably wrong too, as I said
[07:04] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  no i mean how do i enter the gateway to the network conf
[07:04] <v0m1t> ntpdate trys to sync before pppoe link while booting... how can I fix that?
[07:04] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: ? edit /etc/network/interfaces and add the gateway line
[07:05] <siretart> sky_HALud: perhaps you can setup your via controller to not use for the whole disk but only for some partitions and use the leftover one within linux?
[07:05] <MyKq3> u mean like this ... look at floods
[07:05] <sky_HALud> siretart: hmm, I think I could do that
[07:05] <Hwolf> Does ubuntu support using sata-raid finally?
[07:06] <sky_HALud> however, for me the best solution would be to have a single array shared across both Linux and Windows
[07:06] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: that looks better to me - but please remember my networking knowledge is *very* limited
[07:06] <MyKq3> thanks k man
[07:06] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  at list its an ideal
[07:06] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: I set mine up by reading howtos months ago  *grin*
[07:07] <siretart> sky_HALud: I dont think that a single shared array is feasible
[07:07] <MyKq3> okay i m off to try it
[07:07] <MyKq3> BRB
[07:07] <thoreauputic> OK good luck :)
[07:09] <sky_HALud> siretart: yeah, it seems so. given that data security is not an too big issue on my workstation, maybe a 64 bit VIA driver would solve my problem
[07:09] <Sacred> np BenL :)
[07:10] <siretart> sky_HALud: the best solution would be via releasing the source code to their drivers and the linux kernel team incorporating them. then ubuntu could support your hardware well
[07:11] <siretart> sky_HALud: up to now the only feasible solution doing IDE hardware raid are 3ware controllers
[07:11] <sky_HALud> siretart: indeed, that would be the best. however, somehow I'd doubt that this will happen. but I'll buzz them anyway
[07:11] <Riddell> bretzel: yes, it is available, using hoary
[07:12] <sky_HALud> siretart: ok, I thought I have hardware raid (blush)
[07:12] <siretart> sky_HALud: I doubt that too :( - but only if they get requests they would see a need to improve the situation
[07:12] <siretart> sky_HALud: I would call that "hardware assissted software raid". Have you seen how big that BLOB also for windows is?
[07:13] <bretzel> Riddell: OK but what URI to write in sources.list - Or other kind of setup to do  such as ... wait :-) going to ubuntu site ...
[07:14] <v0m1t> ntpdate trys to sync before pppoe link can come up while booting... how can I fix that?
[07:14] <da_bon_bon> may i ask a question about knoppix here ?
[07:15] <sky_HALud> siretart: for the 64 bit version of Windows XP the BLOB seems to be 75k. but how relevant would that be?
[07:16] <siretart> sky_HALud: I think that really a lot of code being computed on your host cpu for a "hardware" raid
[07:17] <sky_HALud> siretart: got it. on the other hand, performance is much better than having a single hdd
[07:18] <sky_HALud> so at least it seems a relatively good software solution
[07:18] <sky_HALud> btw. now that I looked more closely at the VIA Linux driver they seem to have the BLOB compiled for 64 bit (there's a driver/VIA_RAID_Linux_V100\driver\viaprvraidm64.o file)
[07:18] <da_bon_bon> hey, can anyone hear me ?
[07:19] <astansys1> sure can but I'm out of my league! newbie listenning in
[07:19] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: you haven't really asked anything yet :)
[07:20] <siretart> da_bon_bon: yes, we can read you, but dont ask to ask, just ask. but for knoppix related questions you might prefer #knoppix
[07:21] <da_bon_bon> siretart, thoreauputic: sorry, i though  i was disconnected, so.
[07:21] <jono> hi all
[07:21] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: no, you exist ;)
[07:21] <jono> anyone got an ipod working with ubuntu?
[07:21] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: ok..
[07:23] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: any luck?
[07:23] <MyKq3> hello when i try to configure my gateway i get this error massage
[07:23] <MyKq3> ** (network-admin:7040): CRITICAL **: gst_xml_element_find_first: assertion `parent != NULL' failed
[07:23] <MyKq3> ** (network-admin:7040): CRITICAL **: gst_xml_element_destroy: assertion `node != NULL' failed
[07:23] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  no no luck at all
[07:24] <thoreauputic> hmm
[07:24] <thoreauputic> well, I'm not the one to help then - my NAT and simple network work fine, but beyond that I have no expertise to offer, sorry
[07:25] <MyKq3> thoreauputic,  thanks man for all the help u gave me
[07:25] <MyKq3> :)
[07:25] <MyKq3> i think iwill hit the bad right now
[07:25] <sky_HALud> siretart: I think that the 64 bit module is for Intel's older 64 bit instruction set (they have install instructions for suse on x86_64 at the end of driverdisk.txt)
[07:25] <MyKq3> g'night
[07:25] <thoreauputic> MyKq3: it's probably something simple we've missed - I'm sure you'll get it
[07:26] <jono> I nearly had a win with Ubuntu - bought my dad a hard disk, but he wanted to see the live cd - I booted his system, everything worked apart from the printer - a parallel port epson stylus 660 - I set up the printer in the gnome printer tool and it just did'nt work - is this a known problem
[07:28] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[07:29] <thoreauputic> jono: might be an idea to visit http://linuxprinting.org/ and check the support for the printer
[07:31] <thoreauputic> jono:  maybe this one? http://linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Epson-Stylus_Color_660
[07:33] <jono> thoreauputic: thing is, this should really work out of the box, I am going to investigate further to see what the problem is
[07:33] <thoreauputic> hmm - agreed
[07:34] <jono> I am a professional open source advocate at openadvantage.org and if I cant get a basic printer driver working out of the box, it nails the distro for many people
[07:35] <thoreauputic> bug report time :(
[07:36] <jono> yep
[07:36] <spikeb> open advantage should put out thier own distro :)
[07:36] <thoreauputic> for some reason firefox refuses to display that page, although galeon is fine! weird...
[07:36] <jono> its good that ubuntu hackers are responsive to bug reports
[07:36] <gen> hackers?
[07:37] <spikeb> yes. that's a proper usage of the term
[07:37] <thoreauputic> gen: as opposed to "crackes"
[07:37] <spikeb> er jono
[07:37] <thoreauputic> *crackers"
[07:37] <gen> right.
[07:37] <jono> :)
[07:37] <jono> I am basically standardising on ubuntu in many projects at openadvantAGE
[07:38] <jono> I spend all day working with people to move them to open source
[07:38] <jono> its a fun job
[07:38] <thoreauputic> gen: the term has been hijacked by the press and misunderstood :(
[07:38] <gen> yes i know
[07:38] <spikeb> jono, it sounds like fun
[07:39] <Shimonn> hi, i'm the one whose network doesn't work with ubuntu
[07:39] <jono> spikeb, yeah its cool :)
[07:39] <spikeb> hi
[07:39] <spikeb> did it just start working?
[07:39] <jono> later all
[07:40] <Shimonn> just a question : who to swich between channels in irssi (a text irc client) ?
[07:40] <kebac> Shimonn: alt+#
[07:40] <gen> or control n, for next
[07:40] <Shimonn> ok, thanks
[07:40] <spikeb> Shimonn, alt-# or esc-#
[07:40] <thoreauputic> Shimonn: either alt-,number> or ctrl-n and ctrl -p
[07:40] <Shimonn> ok, ok
[07:41] <Shimonn> i just installed ubuntu
[07:41] <thoreauputic> heh as always several different ways
[07:41] <Shimonn> i can't use my ethernet card
[07:41] <Shimonn> i see i can send data but not receive anything
[07:41] <gen> which card
[07:42] <Shimonn> lspci say it is a 'Linksys' and i use the 'tulip' module with it
[07:43] <spikeb> like most of my cards
[07:43] <Shimonn> i used this card with knoppix and windows without problems
[07:43] <spikeb> hrm
[07:43] <gen> so which card is it
[07:44] <gen> model #
[07:44] <JConnell> Does anyone know how to change the output device in helix player/real player? I have my regular soundcard /dev/dsp, and my usb headset /dev/dsp1
[07:44] <JConnell> In xmms or mplayer its easy
[07:45] <kebac> is it possible to change default output device?
[07:45] <JConnell> I can't find an option like that :/
[07:46] <newguy> if i remove xine will that also take away totem-xine?  Because i just want totem-xine and not xine, because xine is crashing.
[07:46] <Lbase> well; ubuntu install just failed . .  bummer
[07:47] <Shimonn> '
[07:47] <spikeb> newguy, if you take away xine-ui, it's fine.
[07:47] <Shimonn> 'Linksys NC100 [...]  (rev11)'
[07:47] <newguy> ok so totem-xine will not be touch...
[07:48] <Lbase> no root user? hmmmm
[07:49] <Lbase> one module bombed, but it started up ....
[07:49] <thoreauputic> Lbase: use sudo for root privileges
[07:49] <Shimonn> gen: my ethernet card is a Linksys NC100
[07:49] <Lbase> yeah OK
[07:50] <thoreauputic> Lbase: if you really must have a root shell, you can do sudo -s
[07:50] <usual> do the daily cd images of haory have the installer? or are they just packages?
[07:53] <usual> will hoary gstreamer support playing dvd's?
[07:53] <isaacz> will apt look at the warty cd i have mounted before trying the internet?
[07:53] <Lbase> and now comes the X config ...
[07:55] <sensebend> usual, see http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:56] <JConnell> Is the next gnome going to be 2.10 or 3.0?
[07:56] <usual> sensebend, isn't that for warty
[07:57] <sensebend> if I could get hoary to dist upgrade without failing I could tell you :)
[07:57] <sensebend> until then I'm sticking with warty
[07:57] <usual> what happens
[07:57] <sensebend> it fails because of a libfamc (something like that library)
[07:57] <usual> remove it
[07:57] <Shimonn> my netwok card does not receive anything
[07:57] <usual> install gamin
[07:58] <usual> gamin replaces fam
[07:58] <sensebend> hmm
[07:58] <sensebend> cool, because fam breaks a lot of dependencies
[07:58] <sensebend> I'll have to try that
[07:59] <newguy> how to add more extra repositories besides the ubuntu guide html..any links with more source lists?
[08:01] <thoreauputic> newguy: try a search on ubuntulinux,org for  restricted formats, and maybe mplayer
[08:01] <sensebend> usual, well I'm trying a dist upgrade again
[08:01] <sensebend> let's hope this works
[08:01] <gen> aha good luck
[08:01] <jovian> question got a new keyboard that has a bunch of happy extra buttons for multimedia
[08:02] <jovian> how can I assign them in ubuntu
[08:02] <jovian> ?
[08:02] <gen> jovian, they're most likely software driven in windows
[08:02] <gen> so not seeing that working so well
[08:02] <usual> sensebend, do what i said
[08:02] <jovian> ah okay
[08:02] <sensebend> I did usual
[08:02] <sensebend> I removed fam
[08:02] <sensebend> and it's libraries
[08:02] <sensebend> and installed gamin
[08:03] <sensebend> I am dist-upgrading as we speak
[08:03] <gen> gamin is a evil monitor, arg ahoy
[08:03] <usual> k
[08:03] <Shimonn> my ubuntu sends an arp request to know the MAC for an IP, but it doesn't receive the answer
[08:04] <sensebend> let's hope this works
[08:04] <Lbase> uh, you're sure you're using a good cable yes?
[08:05] <Shimonn> my ethernet cards/cables works fine
[08:05] <Lbase> mK
[08:05] <gsuveg> ryan: ping
[08:05] <newguy> Can I use both Ubuntu and Debian packages together?
[08:05] <Shimonn> it works without problem when running windows instead of ubuntu
[08:05] <sensebend> newguy, yes for the most part
[08:06] <sensebend> just be careful not to break anything
[08:06] <Crane> but you learn if you break things
[08:06] <Crane> lol
[08:07] <sensebend> true
[08:07] <sensebend> I remember when I used to reinstall every single day :D
[08:07] <sensebend> those were the days
[08:07] <Crane> he I just got through reinstalling
[08:07] <Crane> :/
[08:07] <Crane> he he
[08:08] <newguy> i will
[08:08] <usual> :)
[08:08] <Shimonn> can anyone help me ?
[08:08] <Crane> depends on what you need
[08:08] <Shimonn> i said it three times
[08:08] <Shimonn> i just installed ubuntu
[08:08] <Crane> sorry I just logged in
[08:08] <Shimonn> and ther network doesn't work
[08:08] <hahu> hello
[08:09] <hahu> I want to install the Opera Browser. What do i have to do for that?
[08:09] <Shimonn> when pinging any IP, i get a "destination host unreachable"
[08:09] <spikeb> um
[08:09] <spikeb> go to www.opera.com
[08:09] <usual> sensebend, any lucl
[08:09] <spikeb> get the static version
[08:09] <usual> luck
[08:10] <Shimonn> in fact i seen i can send data, but not receive, including arp traffic
[08:10] <sensebend> maybe, got 20 more minutes of downloading
[08:10] <laura_> hola
[08:10] <usual> hi
[08:10] <sensebend> hello
[08:10] <hahu> spikeb, And i can't do it with apt-get or something else?
[08:11] <spikeb> nope.
[08:11] <jovian> well got it kinda the keyboard shortcut thing registered the extra keys
[08:11] <Lbase> who is assigning ip address to eth0 Shimonn ?
[08:11] <laura_> I have the problems whit ubuntu when I burn cdrom
[08:11] <hahu> spikeb, I can choose debian Unstable, Sarge, Woody and Potato
[08:11] <Shimonn> i set the ip manually during the install
[08:12] <laura_> could you help me?
[08:12] <spikeb> hahu, choose static other/deb
[08:12] <hahu> spikeb, ah, you mean static deb
[08:12] <hahu> spikeb, ok, thank you!
[08:12] <spikeb> hahu, :)
[08:14] <newguy> is there a way to save the apt-get update and upgrade files to a folder for future keeps instead of always going to Internet.?
[08:14] <spikeb> newguy, apt automatically does that
[08:14] <spikeb> newguy, it only goes to the internet if newer files are there.
[08:15] <Lbase> Shimonn:  does route show something?
[08:15] <newguy> but if somebody doesn't have internet access and just burn it to a disc .
[08:16] <Shimonn> a route for the local network with 255.255.255.0 mask, and a default route using the gateway 192.168.0.254
[08:17] <Lbase> that sounds correct ... how about lsmod? does it look like the correct module is being loaded for your network card?
[08:17] <Cervantes_> oww, there is so much stuff out there on winmodems...
[08:17] <Shimonn> the tulip module is loaded
[08:17] <Shimonn> eth0 diapears with other modules i trieds
[08:18] <Shimonn> tulip i also used by knoppix for this card, without problems
[08:19] <Hikaru79> Hey, Cervantes_ :)
[08:19] <Cervantes_> haha hi hikaru :)
[08:19] <Hikaru79> :D
[08:19] <Lbase> well I guess I'm not much help then, cause nothing else comes to mind
[08:19] <Cervantes_> I got the master hard drive visable :)
[08:19] <Hikaru79> I posted on the forum, but check this out: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupModemHowto/view?searchterm=dial-up
[08:19] <Hikaru79> Yup, I read ^_^
[08:19] <Cervantes_> I've read that wiki
[08:20] <Cervantes_> but it doesn't help for getting my winmodem working under linux
[08:20] <Cervantes_> (at least, I think it's a winmodem)
[08:20] <naim> hile, what file do i edit to change the default behaivior of ctrl-alt-delete  ??
[08:20] <Agrajag> /etc/inittab I think
[08:22] <newguy> what is aptitude?
[08:22] <Hikaru79> newguy, it's a front-end for apt
[08:22] <Hikaru79> Which is a package management tool that Debian-based distros use
[08:23] <Hikaru79> newguy, if you're new, I reccomend Synaptic over aptitude.
[08:23] <newguy> is Synaptic in ubuntu?
[08:24] <thoreauputic> yup
[08:24] <hypa7ia> happy new year ubuntuers!
[08:24] <gen> happy new year to you also
[08:24] <newguy> i typed Synaptic in root no program found.
[08:25] <hypa7ia> lowercase
[08:25] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia: happy new year !
[08:25] <hypa7ia> did you do a default, or a custom install newguy?
[08:25] <hypa7ia> thanks thoreauputic :-))
[08:25] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia: happiness is not case sensitive ;)
[08:25] <kezz> anybody know where i can find ndiswrapper packages for ppc, the howto says install it with synaptic but i can't find it in the list and apt can't find it either from the commandline
[08:26] <deception_uk> hi all
[08:26] <usual> hmmm
[08:26] <mjg59> kezz: ndiswrapper isn't available for ppc, I'm afraid
[08:26] <usual> I might reinstall ubuntu with a hoary cd image
[08:26] <mjg59> kezz: Windows drivers need x86 to run
[08:26] <usual> then I would have never been warty
[08:27] <spikeb> what ppc needs is a ndiswrapper like thing that uses OSX drivers
[08:27] <spikeb> :)
[08:27] <newguy> what i do in synaptic?  Can i link to .DEB packages in folder for future downloading?
[08:27] <kezz> mjg: heh thanks i should have realised that
[08:27] <kezz> linux-wlan it is then :S
[08:27] <Cervantes_> Hikaru79, I'm dieing!!
[08:28] <hypa7ia> newguy: when you install packaged with apt-get (regardless of what frontend you use) they're saved in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[08:29] <remi`> does someone know where to find daily hoary iso builds?
[08:30] <ik5pvx> archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily or something similar
[08:30] <imac> ...
[08:30] <remi`> ik5pvx, thanks a lot :)
[08:31] <newguy> why doesn't the console apt-get doesn't get all the files but in synaptic i see more packages?
[08:32] <Shimonn> is there an ubuntu forum where i can post my problem ?
[08:33] <deception_uk> Shimonn : http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[08:33] <Shimonn> ok, thx
[08:33] <deception_uk> yw
[08:33] <hypa7ia> newguy: you should get the same ones, exactly, in both.  synaptic is just a gui for apt
[08:34] <diarrhoe> it takes a lot of time to resolve any hosts with my ubuntu wlan, altough i already created an /etc/resolv.conf. Any idea?
[08:35] <thoreauputic> newguy:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto/view?searchterm=synaptic%20how
[08:42] <gen> great.
[08:43] <hypa7ia> spammy mc spam spam?
[08:43] <gen> spammy mc spammerson
[08:43] <hypa7ia> Ominous!
[08:49] <Cervantes_> woops
[08:50] <Cervantes_> much better
[08:50] <kebac> why here is no ops?
[08:51] <kebac> is it a feature of freenode
[08:51] <newguy> oh oh synaptic can't install mplayer none of them?  what do i do?
[08:51] <spikeb> there are ops
[08:51] <alindeman> Channel staff can request ops from ChanServ
[08:51] <alindeman> When needed
[08:51] <spikeb> they're not opped at the moment
[08:51] <kebac> right
[08:51] <hypa7ia> newguy: add the right repositories :-)
[08:52] <newguy> u give me repositorie list at site?
[08:52] <hypa7ia> newguy: i think it's in the guide
[08:55] <Q-FUNK> kebac: moi
[08:58] <newguy> can't add them to synaptic try text editor
[08:58] <kebac> Q-FUNK: hello!
[08:58] <kebac> Q-FUNK: long time no see
[09:02] <hahu> Can i let ubuntu execute some root commands after booting?
[09:02] <hahu> (without entering a password)
[09:03] <newguy> i don't see some programs i installed from synaptic in ubuntu?
[09:04] <hypa7ia> newguy: if they are in Universe, you may need to add them to the menu manually
[09:04] <hypa7ia> but it says that in the guide :-)
[09:07] <scizzo> hahu: more /etc/rcS.d/README
[09:07] <scizzo> hahu: more /etc/init.d/README
[09:08] <hahu> scizzo, thx, i'll read it
[09:12] <BenL> arg! so how do I install xmltv?
[09:12] <siretart> hahu: more easily: install a cron entry with time "@reboot"
[09:12] <hahu> siretart, in /etc/crontab?
[09:12] <siretart> hahu: e.g. "echo @reboot /path/to/root/script | sudo tee -a /etc/crontab"
[09:13] <hahu> siretart, Thanks!!
[09:13] <hahu> i will try that
[09:15] <swim> hi
[09:15] <swim> anyone using kde on ubuntu?
[09:15] <calamari> swim: I installed the kde libraries and it didn't work so well
[09:16] <calamari> a few kde apps work.. kinda
[09:16] <swim> hmm, bummer, the only thing keeping me from ubuntu...
[09:16] <spikeb> heh
[09:16] <siretart> swim: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[09:16] <swim> thx :)
[09:17] <siretart> swim: short: no, use gnome or debian ATM.
[09:17] <drspin> why can't i install libgnomeui/
[09:17] <drspin> ?
[09:17] <BenL> xmltv, anyone?
[09:17] <kezz> BenL get the source if its not in the repository
[09:17] <swim> ok thanks miguellinux
[09:17] <kezz> its in the debian unstable tree but im not sure if  there's an ubuntu package
[09:17] <swim> or sorry thanks siretart
[09:17] <BenL> well, allegedly it is in the repository
[09:18] <kezz> libxmltv-perl, xmltv, xmltv-gui and  xmltv-util are the debian names
[09:18] <kezz> if that helps
[09:18] <BenL> at least according to my limited understanding: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xmltv/
[09:19] <kezz> have you added all the repositories
[09:19] <BenL> yes
[09:19] <kezz> in synaptic there were 2 unticked for me
[09:19] <BenL> yes, I added those
[09:19] <kezz> what does apt-get install xmltv return
[09:19] <newguy> what is hoary ?  Next iso for ubuntu?
[09:19] <netmonk> does anyone now why when I paly dvd the picture stops and starts all the time and how can i fix that?
[09:20] <swim> just out of curiosity why is would someone use ubuntu instead of debian? (not trying to start a fight, just a legit question)
[09:20] <scizzo> newguy: its development....it will become the next stable release
[09:21] <kezz> swim: ubuntu uses upto date packages
[09:21] <kezz> they are only unstable in debian
[09:21] <swim> kezz, ah ok, but debian users can use those too right?
[09:21] <BenL> root@mythical:~ # apt-get install xmltv
[09:21] <BenL> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:21] <BenL> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:21] <BenL> E: Couldn't find package xmltv
[09:22] <kezz> swim: yes but they are part of the unstable tree
[09:22] <kezz> debian's stable packages are pretty old
[09:22] <kezz> but they live up to their name i guess
[09:22] <hahu> siretart, your idea didn't seem to work :-/
[09:22] <kezz> brb
[09:22] <swim> kezz, just wondering, would it be nmuch different than using debian testing, and backporting unstable packages?
[09:23] <siretart> hahu: oh, then try adding it to "sudo -H crontab -e", that works for me. But I only do that as user
[09:23] <calamari> swim: one reason I use Ubuntu over Debian is that Debian users have a stuck-up attitude, rather than one of wanting to help
[09:24] <hypa7ia> kidding :-)
[09:24] <scizzo> swim: a good question for you is...have you tried ubuntu?
[09:24] <scizzo> swim: because everyone has their own reasons for using it
[09:24] <swim> scizzo, yes, but the lack of kde keeps me away unfortunatly
[09:24] <calamari> I tried to find out many times how to make it boot up without asking for a password.. no one would tell me, they kept asking "why?", and saying stuff about how my reasons were dumb, etc.
[09:24] <hypa7ia> yeah, that's lam
[09:25] <scizzo> swim: that is actually one of the reasons I am using it.....because I do not like KDE
[09:25] <sensebend> I just dist upgraded to hoary
[09:25] <calamari> I think the truth of it is that they didn't actually know.. but whatever :)
[09:25] <sensebend> and it looks nice
[09:25] <hypa7ia> lame, rather.  i mean, it's one thing to say, "okay, this is why not to do that, but here's how if you need to"
[09:25] <sensebend> with the exception of my screen resolution, according to the gnome tool for changing it cannot go higher than 640x480
[09:25] <hypa7ia> calamari: quite possible :-)
[09:25] <sensebend> where is the configuration file now on X.org
[09:26] <sensebend> as opposed to where it used to be on XF86
[09:26] <kebac> sensebend: /etc/X11/xorg.conf i guess
[09:26] <calamari> also Ubuntu "just works" :)
[09:26] <BenL> how do you upgrade to hoary?
[09:26] <[oZaR] > BenL: change the repositories
[09:26] <[oZaR] > in the sources.list
[09:26] <scizzo> BenL: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[09:26] <scizzo> BenL: you will get a lot of information there
[09:27] <scizzo> ;)
[09:27] <hypa7ia> remember the utf8 thing!  i hosed 2 installs because of it
[09:27] <[oZaR] > just change 'warty' andput 'hoary' instead
[09:27] <[oZaR] > then apt-get update
[09:27] <[oZaR] > and finally
[09:27] <[oZaR] > apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:28] <sensebend> hmm maybe this is the problem
[09:29] <sensebend> I'm still running on XFree86
[09:29] <sensebend> somehow
[09:29] <sensebend> yet I have X.org common installed but not the server
[09:29] <naim> hile, if i have universal and restricted in my sources.list file, and a package is found in both, which one is installed ??
[09:29] <sensebend> anyone else experience this weirdness?
[09:30] <naim> hile, if i have universal and restricted in my sources.list file, and a package is found in both, which one is installed ??
[09:30] <naim> sorry .. this is wierd ... odnt know where the 'le' is coming from
[09:33] <hypa7ia> naim: whichever one you pick.  they should conflict, and not allow you to install both
[09:34] <sky_HALud> siretart: Thanks very much for your help. I'm going out now. Bye.
[09:34] <stuNNed_> hmm, firefox won't start, complains already running, but lsof says no open files | grep -i firefox
[09:35] <ArCHoNKoG> has anyone got got americas army working on upgrade from warty to hoary
[09:35] <naim> hypa7ia, what do you mean whichever i pick?? if i do:: apt-get install mozilla-firefox .. i think that is in both, but which one is selected ?
[09:36] <rushibhai> hiya all. happy new year. need prism pci module for athlon 64..
[09:36] <exlt> stuNNed - sounds like you have a lock file to remove - look in .mozilla/firefox/XXXXXX.default/
[09:36] <hypa7ia> firefox isn't in restricted
[09:36] <stuNNed_> exlt, looking, thanks
[09:37] <stuNNed_> exlt, roger that, that was it! :D
[09:37] <naim> hypa7ia, just suppose for now
[09:37] <stuNNed_> what's the easiest way to run fsck on fs in ubuntu?
[09:38] <hypa7ia> naim: no idea, really.   i've never run into non-uniquely-named packages, to be honest.  can you give me an example?
[09:39] <exlt> StuNNed_ - fsck in ro mount from a rescue environment, such as the live CD
[09:39] <stuNNed_> exlt, rescue mode grub entry won't work?
[09:40] <exlt> might - depends on what partition you want to fsck
[09:40] <jhoxrox> This is nuts, I have cups and postfix running and configured like they were on red hat and gentoo and I can't see port 631 or port 25 on my local subnet "at all". I can't even ping this machine, but it is broadcasting the printers and sends mail and I can see this cannel on IRC. What's blocking me? there is no iptables running yet and the filters are set to universally accept.  ARGH Matey it's bloody annoying. Has anyone else seen this?!
[09:40] <exlt> if /, then I would suggest bootable CD or floppy
[09:41] <newguy> i am at usr/games i double click quake2 nothing happen
[09:41] <benjanet> how do i install chinese input on ubuntu ?
[09:41] <hypa7ia> happy new year RuffianSoldier!
[09:42] <hypa7ia> naim, gimme a sec, asking around about the unique package names thingy, i'm curious now :-)
[09:43] <RuffianSoldier> you too hypa7ia
[09:43] <exlt> jhoxrox - could be two things that I can think of - what kind of gateway is your subnet running through (firewall) or misconfigured networking
[09:43] <kezz> if i install fluxbox would it automatically be added to gdm?
[09:43] <newguy> i chmod 700 quake2 now red icon apper in folder now no working oh oh
[09:44] <exlt> good ?, kezz - my favored wm :)
[09:45] <exlt> trying it now, kezz
[09:45] <jhoxrox> exlt: no firewall at all. I should not need a gateway, the machines are adjacent and connected to the same switch. netstat -r looks like normal.
[09:45] <newguy> i need person for gaming advice from synaptic downloads...
[09:46] <ArCHoNKoG> newguy, what you need
[09:46] <exlt> jhoxrox - 'route -n' output
[09:46] <exlt> everyone needs a gateway  ;)
[09:46] <newguy> i get doom,quake2,xmane but they do not execute from usr/games folder i also chmod +700 to quake2 now have red X icon.  what i do?
[09:47] <jhoxrox> exlt: route -n yields 208.189.96.112  0.0.0.0         255.255.255.248 U     0      0        0 eth1
[09:47] <sensebend> can someone look at my xorg.conf and tell me what's wrong with it
[09:47] <jhoxrox> 192.168.128.0   0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth0
[09:47] <sensebend> it will only start in 640x480
[09:47] <jhoxrox> 0.0.0.0         208.189.96.118  0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth1
[09:48] <exlt> jhoxrox - yep, no gateway typically means no way out
[09:48] <exlt> yep there is your gateway - sorry
[09:48] <sensebend> despite having the lines to start in 1024x768
[09:48] <newguy> And Doom not listed in usr/games?
[09:48] <sensebend> SubSection "Display"
[09:48] <sensebend> 		Depth		24
[09:48] <sensebend> 		Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[09:48] <sensebend> 	EndSubSection
[09:48] <ArCHoNKoG> newguy, on warty or hoary ?
[09:49] <newguy> warty
[09:49] <sensebend> yet it only starts in 640x480 :S
[09:49] <jhoxrox> exlt: I can ping out to any network and get a response too
[09:49] <sensebend> default colour depth is at 24
[09:49] <exlt> jhoxrox - that means "any route to 192.168.128.0/24 - go out eth1 through 208.189.96.118" - which is non-routable
[09:49] <GuestUM> how do i install Kde on ubuntu? :(
[09:49] <GuestUM> i try apt-cache search kde..
[09:49] <exlt> yep, you can ping yahoo.com, but not route to a non-routable addresss
[09:49] <GuestUM> but doesnt find kde-desktop or something like that
[09:50] <GuestUM> anyone? :(
[09:50] <GuestUM> :S
[09:51] <GuestUM> =(
[09:51] <GuestUM> ;_;
[09:51] <GuestUM> darn
[09:52] <UbuntuSucks> =(
[09:52] <exlt> GuestUM - you will need to add universe and/or multiverse
[09:52] <UbuntuSucks> :o
[09:52] <exlt> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[09:52] <naim> hypa7ia, its just a thing that came to my mind .. i once couldn
[09:52] <exlt> and grow up...
[09:53] <naim> hypa7ia, its just a thing that came to my mind .. i once couldnt find xfce in restricted
[09:53] <hypa7ia> xfce isn't restricted, naim
[09:53] <naim> so i added universe .. and though of this
[09:53] <hypa7ia> naim: you get what restricted is tho right?  like, non-free or other licensing issues
[09:53] <hypa7ia> looks like packages don't need unique names, and you're given a choice
[09:58] <stuNNed_> exlt, / really, seeing that that is ubuntu default
[09:59] <Som> hello
[10:00] <Som> not sure if i gapped out or now, but i just installed ubuntu and i do not believe that iw as prompted for a root password...now i can't su as i don't know what it is
[10:00] <Som> is there a default root password, or i did i just miss something during the install?
[10:00] <exlt> stuNNed_ - I just booted into the rescue mode, and it is single-user with init=/bin/sh - / is mount rw, so fsck can be dangerous - better to fsck from bootable CD or a floppy like tomsrtbt
[10:01] <user_> hello
[10:01] <user_> i love you aokaze
[10:01] <stuNNed_> exlt, thanks!  okay, guess can use livecd but that seems overkill to run fsck, loading gui and all
[10:01] <hypa7ia> Som: read the guide.  no root by default.   use sudo
[10:01] <Som> kewl
[10:01] <hypa7ia> hth
[10:01] <exlt> kezz - fluxbox is added to gdm sessions after install  :)
[10:02] <kezz> cool thanks
[10:03] <exlt> kezz - yep, works beautifully - thanks for the question, since that was one of the things on my to-do list  :)
[10:04] <kezz> heh
[10:05] <spikeb> is there a way to safely resize HFS+ partitions?
[10:05] <kezz> i believe there is some software to do it
[10:06] <kezz> but it costs $$$
[10:06] <kezz> i haven't looked for some recently tho
[10:07] <Som> thanks hypa, i'm all good now
[10:08] <isladelobos> hiii
[10:08] <isladelobos> like ubuntu
[10:09] <stuNNed_> welp, looks like my modem woes are fixed let's hope :D
[10:09] <stuNNed_> with 2.6.9..
[10:09] <exlt> dvdrip/transcode install works well from precompiled binaries at ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/, however a couple of libs needed to be hand installed/upgraded to complete the dependencies for transcode - libavifile, libjasper, libpng12, and libquicktime1
[10:10] <usual> sensebend, did it work
[10:10] <usual> I just did a fresh hoary install from a daily cd image, works perfect
[10:11] <sensebend> yeah it did
[10:11] <sensebend> had some X.org weirdness
[10:11] <usual> sensebend, good :)
[10:11] <usual> sensebend, do you have a burner and a blank cd?
[10:11] <sensebend> w6bi, in #atu helped me out
[10:11] <sensebend> seems some values were left out of the file, when it was generated
[10:11] <sensebend> HorizSync and VertRefresh
[10:11] <jhoxrox> exlt: I have disabled the second interface and now remain with the one I am using to chat on IRC. Postfix is running on port 25. I can't telnet to port 25. I don't think it is the routing, but thanks for the help. I'll figure this out if it kills me.
[10:12] <Phossil> hey
[10:12] <Phossil> I'm a Debian user that is thinking about Ubuntu and I have two quick questions that I didn't immediatly see on the ubuntu webiste
[10:12] <Phossil> does Ubuntu use XFree86 or X.org?
[10:13] <Phossil> Is Ubuntu compatable with Debian's apt-get?
[10:13] <Phossil> thats it
[10:13] <sensebend> Phossil, Warty uses XFree86
[10:13] <sensebend> Hoary (development release) uses X.org
[10:13] <Phossil> ok
[10:13] <Phossil> thanks
[10:14] <ArCHoNKoG> xorg works get in hoary
[10:14] <Phossil> know anything about apt-get?
[10:14] <ArCHoNKoG> yes Phossil
[10:14] <janc> Ubuntu uses apt-get, but it has its own repositories
[10:14] <ArCHoNKoG> you can use debain also
[10:14] <Phossil> debian's repositories?
[10:14] <ArCHoNKoG> Phossil, yes
[10:14] <Phossil> ok
[10:15] <Phossil> great - I'll give it a try
[10:15] <janc> you can, but it _can_ break things
[10:15] <Phossil> thanks for the info
[10:15] <Phossil> yea
[10:15] <Phossil> but as long as it works with debs and dpkg I'm happy
[10:15] <Phossil> I can probably fix what it breaks if something stopps working
[10:17] <Phossil> where can I get the hoary release? I don't see it on any of the mirrors
[10:17] <sensebend> Phossil, there are daily cd image releases
[10:17] <sensebend> and you can upgrade from Warty
[10:17] <Phossil> ok
[10:17] <Phossil> great
[10:17] <Phossil> thanks
[10:18] <sensebend> if you have Warty already
[10:18] <isaacz> what is the default root passwd?
[10:18] <sensebend> isaacz, there is none
[10:18] <sensebend> there is no root account
[10:18] <sensebend> by default
[10:18] <sensebend> everything is accomplished through sudo
[10:19] <sensebend> if you want a root shell type sudo -s
[10:19] <isaacz> then how exactly do i do anything that requires it?
[10:19] <sensebend> and you will br prompted for your user account password
[10:19] <isaacz> ok that is cool =)
[10:20] <sensebend> or for a single command use sudo (command you want as root)
[10:20] <sensebend> it lowers the risk of leaving a root terminal open or having a root account on the system
[10:20] <sensebend> it also means you need to be more careful with your user account passwords
[10:20] <sensebend> and be careful who is in the sudoers file
[10:23] <muldy> hi!
[10:23] <sensebend> Phossil, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[10:23] <sensebend> for the current development cd images
[10:23] <sensebend> be warned, things might not work as planned :)
[10:23] <muldy> i'm using hoary, my glx module wont load in xorg :|
[10:24] <sensebend> have you checked /var/log/ ?
[10:24] <muldy> yes
[10:24] <muldy> it says it doesn't exist
[10:24] <muldy> (EE) Failed to load module "glx" (module does not exist, 0)
[10:25] <muldy> bue he's there
[10:25] <muldy> in modules/extension/libglx.so
[10:27] <muldy> hmm all files in modules and extensions are .a, yetr glx is .so
[10:28] <sensebend> muldy, post a message to either the forum or the mailing list
[10:29] <muldy> this forum sugests symlink:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9154
[10:30] <muldy> going to try to symlink
[10:31] <muldy> brb
[10:31] <carajean> can someone help me fstab is not seeing my second hard drive
[10:31] <carajean> ?
[10:31] <isaacz> is there a way to get a usb mouse detected without rebooting?
[10:31] <isaacz> or even without exiting out of X
[10:32] <muldy> yay it worked :)
[10:32] <JoePenguin> carajean: explain
[10:32] <muldy> it's a .o .a mismatch
[10:32] <muldy> linked -sf libglx.so libglx.a and it worked :)
[10:32] <kebac> hey... has anyone of you tried quake2 in linux?
[10:32] <carajean> i go to fstab i see my primary hard dirve but not the second on at all
[10:33] <kebac> do i need to have original CD?
[10:33] <carajean> then i cant even create a folder in this hdd it says permission denied
[10:33] <carajean> it is mounted to
[10:34] <kezz> have you tried adding the drive to fstab yourself?
[10:34] <kezz> and mounting it rw
[10:34] <JoePenguin> carajean: Where exactly are you trying to create a new folder?
[10:34] <carajean> see im a newb and thats not in my qualifications yet
[10:35] <carajean> i mounted the hard drive and gave it a name then when i go in it i cant make a folder
[10:36] <carajean> im tryin to make my second hard drive my music and game hard drive and i wanted to put a music folder in there
[10:37] <JoePenguin> carajean: How did you mount it?
[10:37] <JoePenguin> carajean: and what kind of filesystem is on it? A windows filesystem or linux?
[10:37] <carajean> i just bought it and formatted it with linux
[10:38] <carajean> um im usin mandrake for this i have ubuntu on a second partition
[10:38] <JoePenguin> so, you are in mandrake right now?
[10:38] <ish> I'm setting up a headless system, is the best way to prevent gdm from starting to remove it from /etc/rc2.d?
[10:38] <carajean> so i used mandrake control center to mount it and yes im in mnadrake 10.1 righ tnow
[10:39] <JoePenguin> ish: Rather than remove the symlink from rc2.d, I prefer to rename it so that the filename starts with a K instead of S.
[10:40] <JoePenguin> bluefoxicy: Maybe that's who I really am :-)
[10:41] <JoePenguin> carajean: You probably just need to change permission on the directory where the new drive is mounted.
[10:41] <carajean> how to do that?
[10:41] <JoePenguin> carajean: fstab doesn't "see" anything. It's a static configuration file that you have to edit yourself, unless you have a nice GUI tool that does it for you (like Mandrake probably does).l
[10:42] <JoePenguin> carajean: Do you know the device name of the new drive? /dev/hdb or something?
[10:42] <carajean> yeah that the name
[10:42] <carajean> mount point is  /home/carajean/drive2
[10:43] <JoePenguin> carajean: Ok. Did you create a single linux partition to use up the whole drive? It would be /dev/hdb1
[10:43] <carajean> well actally it says the device name is hdb1
[10:43] <carajean> yeah its a single partition
[10:43] <JoePenguin> carajean: /dev/hdb is the drive, and /dev/hdb1 is the first primary partition on that drive
[10:43] <carajean> yeah
[10:44] <JoePenguin> carajean: You can check the permissions on the mount point by doing this command:  ls -l /home/carajean/drive2
[10:44] <JoePenguin> oops
[10:44] <JoePenguin> that's wrong
[10:44] <JoePenguin> carajean: You can check the permissions on the mount point by doing this command:  ls -ld /home/carajean/drive2
[10:44] <newguy> i download KDE education but its not listed in session?
[10:44] <JoePenguin> carajean: Are you the only user who logs into that computer?
[10:44] <carajean> drwxr-xr-x  13 root root 4096 Dec 29 17:37 /home/carajean/drive2/
[10:44] <carajean> yes i am the only one
[10:45] <JoePenguin> carajean: Have you learned about Unix permissions at all?
[10:45] <carajean> nope i been workin with linux for maybe 2 weeks
[10:46] <carajean> and i never heard of unix till i started workin with*nux
[10:46] <JoePenguin> carajean: Ok. "root" is the name of the superuser account. I hope that you remember root's password.
[10:47] <carajean> yeah i knwo about the root thing i just want to be able to write and erase files freely in both my drives
[10:47] <newguy> i need help with some game programs won't run in ubuntu from apt-get downaloads...
[10:48] <carajean> what games
[10:48] <carajean> ?
[10:48] <JoePenguin> carajean: Ok. The quickest solution is to change ownership of the mount point to your user. Right now that directory is owned by root, and only root has write permission. That's why you have been getting "permission denied" messages.
[10:48] <newguy> doom quake 2 and xmane
[10:48] <newguy> i find in usr/games but no execute
[10:48] <JoePenguin> carajean: Get to a root shell and run this command:  chown carajean /home/carajean/drive2
[10:48] <JoePenguin> carajean: Once you've done that, you will be able to write to that directory.
[10:49] <carajean> ok it went to next cmd line is that good?
[10:49] <JoePenguin> carajean: In order for a partition to be automatically mounted when your system boots, it needs to be listed in /etc/fstab
[10:49] <JoePenguin> carajean: yes
[10:49] <JoePenguin> carajean: In the Linux world, usually "no news is good news" when you run a command.
[10:50] <spikeb> shouldn't project utopia handle this crap?
[10:50] <newguy> so any advice ????
[10:50] <carajean> i will write that cmd down cause i dont think i can make it mount automatically in fstab
[10:50] <carajean> oh new guy are u usin cedega or point 2 play?
[10:50] <drspin> how can i make k3b see my cd drive... it used to in suse so i know it's compatible and i can burn from nautilus
[10:51] <newguy> no files from source list downloaded from Internet binary files games don't run
[10:51] <JoePenguin> carajean: Do you know which filesystem type /dev/hdb1 is formatted with? ext2? ext3? reiserfs?
[10:51] <carajean> ext3
[10:51] <maldito> this seems to be a free for all, so I will just jump in.  Anyone here got any experience setting up sound?
[10:51] <spikeb> it is a free for all :)
[10:52] <carajean> journalized somethin ext3
[10:52] <drspin> maldito: what is your problem?
[10:52] <maldito> simple.  I have no /dev/dsp
[10:52] <drspin> maldito
[10:52] <JoePenguin> carajean: It sould work if you add a line like this to your fstab:  /dev/hdb1 /home/carajean/drive2 ext3 defaults 0 0
[10:52] <drspin> maldito: do you have a TV card/
[10:52] <drspin> ?
[10:52] <newguy> is there a #games section?
[10:52] <maldito> I have tried MAKEDEV audio, but that only made a /dev/dspW
[10:52] <maldito> nope
[10:52] <carajean> hmm newguy not with linux
[10:53] <maldito> I do have an svideo out, but no tvcard
[10:53] <drspin> does sound work in gnome?
[10:53] <carajean> im a HUGE gamer and when i switched to linux i was disappointed but i was tired of being raped by windows
[10:53] <spikeb> you can run a bunch of games with cedega
[10:53] <newguy> ok then how do i setup KDE in ubuntu?
[10:53] <spikeb> but i would dual boot
[10:53] <JoePenguin> maldito: What kind of sound card do you have?
[10:54] <maldito> one sec.
[10:54] <drspin> maldito: does sound work at all?
[10:54] <carajean> yup i sucessfully play world of warcraft and steam with cedega
[10:54] <JoePenguin> maldito: please reply in the channel.
[10:55] <maldito> I play CoH with cedega.
[10:55] <spikeb> cool carajean
[10:55] <maldito> love it.
[10:55] <spikeb> so WoW works with cedega now?
[10:55] <spikeb> cool
[10:55] <maldito> I am in the middle of switching from Fedora to Ubuntu.
[10:55] <carajean> yeah i love cedega i play other games to but just wanted to mention the newest ones
[10:55] <spikeb> i might just have to get cedega
[10:55] <maldito> trying it out on my laptop first though.  I don't want to ruin my game box.
[10:55] <spikeb> been itchin to play world of warcraft
[10:57] <carajean> play i already got my 2 freinds hooked they passed my level in a week plus the played for like 3 days straight
[10:57] <spikeb> heh
[10:58] <spikeb> my two gamer friends refuse to pay for WoW monthly
[10:58] <spikeb> so they wont get it
[10:58] <MyKq3> how much does it coust per a mounth
[10:58] <maldito> I thought the same of CoH until I played it.
[10:58] <MyKq3> spikeb, ^ lookup
[10:58] <carajean> they did to before i let them try new chars on my account
[10:58] <maldito> now I pay that plus my cedega membership and I don't worry about it.
[10:58] <spikeb> MyKq3, fifteen or so
[10:59] <spikeb> maldito, heh one of my friends played the beta, still wont pay for it
[10:59] <zenrox> i like to play ffxi on a ps2
[10:59] <MyKq3> hum ....they don't come chip
[10:59] <zenrox> cause nix dont have an installer for nix
[10:59] <zenrox> cause nix dont have an installer for  ffxi win ver
[10:59] <zenrox> and i pay 20 bucks for ffxi
[11:01] <bluefoxicy> what real solutions exist in ubuntu for RSS feeds?
[11:01] <bluefoxicy> I find that I enjoy Liferea, which integrates well with Gnome
[11:01] <AndyR> lo ppl
[11:01] <bluefoxicy> how does Ubunut currently handle RSS feeds though?  I can find nothing.
[11:01] <subterrific> bluefoxicy: firefox?
[11:02] <MyKq3> bluefoxicy,  u can use thounderbird too
[11:02] <bluefoxicy> subterrific: I've heard there's some kind of live bookmark . . thing. . .in firefox, but it's not painfully obvious how to use it
[11:02] <bluefoxicy> MyKq3:  thunderbird is in universe, not warty main  :)
[11:03] <Sacred> did you fix your networking problem MyKq3 ?
[11:03] <newbie> can anyone help with a newbie fix video problems?  Or should I go else where
[11:03] <carajean> smb4k is given me probs
[11:03] <subterrific> bluefoxicy: well i've never used it, but i see the RSS button appear on the status bar in firefox all the time
[11:03] <hypa7ia> bluefoxicy, subterrific: firefox live bookmarks: go to a properly cofigured site, click the little orange icon in the bottom right.
[11:03] <carajean> what the prob newbie
[11:03] <drspin> bluefoxicy: Firefox -> bookmarks -> manage bookmarks -> File -> new live bookmark...
[11:04] <hypa7ia> subterrific: beat me to it :-)
[11:04] <bluefoxicy> hypa7ia, subterrific:  also I don't enjoy cheap hacks to turn browsers into news readers  :/  I feel such things don't reflect the best quality the open source community can offer
[11:04] <drspin> bluefoxicy: that's how you manually set one up ;0
[11:04] <drspin> ;)
[11:05] <hypa7ia> meh, i find it useful.  cheap hacks are good for that, sometimes :-)
[11:05] <hypa7ia> bluefoxicy: why not just install liferea?
[11:05] <hypa7ia> define skeletal
[11:05] <bluefoxicy> hypa7ia:  It's in universe, i'm interested in what will go into main
[11:06] <hypa7ia> ah, fair enough
[11:06] <esher> hi fellaz
[11:06] <bluefoxicy> there's a lot of news readers.  I personally like Liferea, but the actual RSS readers I've seen (i.e. not thunderbird, firefox, etc hacks) all seem to bring a nice set of features
[11:06] <esher> any1 can tell me why http://www.is-vn.bg/hamster/terminus-font-4.11.tar.gz dont work in xchat and xconsole windows after standard install ?
[11:07] <carajean> someone please help newbie change his resolution back i have to go cook right now
[11:07] <bluefoxicy> hypa7ia: in Liferea, Feed Reader, and Akregator I believe you can configure periodic checks and minimize the client to a system tray icon (gnome notification area, kde systray, etc).  There's also caching, displaying of small bits of the article embedded in the feed (instead of the whole feed), etc
[11:07] <esher> or better, are there an font-installer gui for gnome ?
[11:08] <bluefoxicy> Liferea (Gnome/GTK) and Feed Reader (windows) both pop up small windows on new articles briefly and fairly unintrusively; I don't remember about Akregator (KDE/Qt)
[11:08] <hypa7ia> bluefoxicy: way overkill for my needs, but certainly sound like good feature sets all around.  if you want to get it into main, you'll prolly want to figure out which one is most GNOMEish, and promote it
[11:08] <bluefoxicy> I've spent about 30 seconds looking at the Firefox implementation :)
[11:09] <bluefoxicy> hypa7ia:  Liferea definitely.  Akregator is a KDE app, and Feed Reader is a Windows app :)
[11:09] <setite> who know what fedora uses to get packages?
[11:09] <spikeb> yum
[11:09] <hypa7ia> interesting that :-)
[11:09] <bluefoxicy> hypa7ia:  there's tons of RSS readers thouhg.
[11:09] <hypa7ia> yuck!
[11:09] <bluefoxicy> so there may be a beter one.
[11:09] <hypa7ia> har har, sorry :-)
[11:09] <setite> ok... i knew that... hehe... but that is the equivalent of apt-get?
[11:09] <MyKq3> Sacred,  no not yet
[11:10] <bluefoxicy> hypa7ia:  i can get a screenie of Liferea
[11:10] <hypa7ia> setite: yum is the attempt at apt-ness
[11:10] <setite> yea i know
[11:10] <TenPlus1> hi folks...
[11:10] <setite> im just trying to remember what the inferior package thing was for them
[11:10] <hypa7ia> bluefoxicy: maybe post to the hoary list about it
[11:10] <TenPlus1> can someone help me plz with a screen resolution problem ???
[11:10] <MyKq3> Sacred,  i can't find the problem ... =\ i think it might b a hoary bug ....
[11:10] <hypa7ia> setite: up2date?
[11:10] <kezz> setite: rpm?
[11:10] <bluefoxicy> hypa7ia:  to . . . the hoary list?  :)
[11:11] <TenPlus1> Ubuntu boots right into Gnome with a res I cannot see, how do I change it ??
[11:11] <hypa7ia> bluefoxicy: email list
[11:11] <setite> rpm is like .deb
[11:11] <hypa7ia> to try andget the package included, ble
[11:11] <hypa7ia> err
[11:11] <setite> redhat packet manager or something
[11:11] <hypa7ia> bluefoxicy:
[11:11] <Sacred> esher: did you put them in the right directory ? try update-font-dir if your font is in a new directory.
[11:11] <kezz> setite: i know
[11:11] <hypa7ia> package MANGLER!
[11:11] <bluefoxicy> hypa7ia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liferea  and  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e2/Screenshot-liferea-0.6.0.png
[11:11] <MyKq3> TenPlus1,  do u have a lcd screen ?
[11:12] <Sacred> MyKq3: what was the output of the things I asked to you do earlier ?
[11:12] <bluefoxicy> hypa7ia:  I"ll look for the hoary list.
[11:12] <drspin> could somone help me get my Virtual Terminals back (ctrl+alt+Fx terminals)???
[11:12] <setite> hypa7ia - up2date is the very definition of shit
[11:12] <hypa7ia> so i hear
[11:12] <setite> it crashed on me every single time i tried to use it
[11:12] <TenPlus1> MyKq3: nope, 19"crt... but I told ubuntu that 1024x768 was the highest res and it's set it up with 1600x800 instead and I can't read anything and dunno how to change it
[11:12] <crimsun> drspin: are you using the restricted Nvidia drivers version 1.0-6629?
[11:12] <setite> oout of 10 times
[11:12] <hypa7ia> i used FC2 for a month before i found ubuntu
[11:12] <drspin> crimsun: uhhh??? what???
[11:12] <hypa7ia> it was like, love at second attempt :-)
[11:12] <spikeb> im still not settled on my distro
[11:12] <setite> see the only what i think it works is if you turn it on and walk away
[11:13] <MyKq3> check flood cenal Sacred
[11:13] <setite> if you touch x-chat or gaim or anything it freezes for ever
[11:13] <esher> Sacred: how does update-font-dir works
[11:13] <crimsun> drspin: are you using the Nvidia driver ("nvidia") for X Windows?
[11:13] <setite> and synaptic is a gui for apt-get?
[11:13] <drspin> yes
[11:13] <drspin> crimsun: yes
[11:13] <crimsun> drspin: which version?
[11:13] <drspin> not sure...
[11:13] <TenPlus1> MyKq3: how can I cancel Gnome and boot into the prompt to change res ?
[11:13] <crimsun> drspin: /proc/driver/nvidia/version
[11:14] <bluefoxicy> hypa7ia: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/  Could you recommend where to take this discussion?
[11:14] <JoePenguin> TenPlus1: you should be get to a login prompt by pressing CTRL-ALT-F1 or F2/F3, etc.
[11:14] <hypa7ia> bluefoxicy: what's your level of expertise?
[11:14] <TenPlus1> will try, thx
[11:14] <MyKq3> TenPlus1,  hum.... i think u should remark that ress. option on your Xfree file
[11:14] <drspin> crimsun: 1.0-6111
[11:14] <esher> Sacred: or, where are default fontdir to but in ? it seems, make @ make install from terminus-source does all correctly
[11:15] <exlt> TenPlus1 - ctl-alt-backspace will restart X
[11:15] <hypa7ia> i'd say ubuntu-users or hoary-changes
[11:15] <crimsun> drspin: then you're out of luck for now.
[11:15] <drspin> crimsun: how can I update it?
[11:15] <JoePenguin> TenPlus1: You can get back to your graphical environment afterwards by hitting ALT-F7 or ALT-F8, depending on the distro.
[11:15] <setite> anyone?
[11:15] <hypa7ia> sorry, that last message was for bluefoxicy
[11:15] <crimsun> drspin: the console restoration bug has been fixed in the "nv" driver but not for any of the "nvidia" drivers.
[11:15] <setite> is synaptic a gui for apt-get?
[11:15] <usual> yes
[11:15] <crimsun> drspin: if you want to use the "nvidia" driver, you'll have to wait for the next driver revision
[11:15] <setite> yes to me?
[11:15] <kezz> setite yes
[11:15] <crimsun> setite: it's a gui for apt and dpkg, yes.
[11:15] <bluefoxicy> hypa7ia: ubuntu-users as opposed to ubuntu-devel?
[11:16] <drspin> crimsun: what's the difference in the drivers??
[11:16] <exlt> TenPlus1 - /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is what you will edit - remove the modes that are too high
[11:16] <setite> thanks... with so much going on i never know who an unaddressed answer is for
[11:16] <MyKq3> Sacred, any ideals
[11:16] <crimsun> drspin: "nv" does not support hardware opengl acceleration
[11:16] <crimsun> drspin: and I'm referring to "nv" in Hoary's X.Org
[11:16] <setite> one last question.. does fedora have a synaptic equivalent?
[11:16] <hypa7ia> bluefoxicy: no, devel is more right i think :-)
[11:16] <drspin> crimsun: I'm in warty :)
[11:16] <bluefoxicy> hypa7ia:  ok :)
[11:16] <hypa7ia> bluefoxicy: missed it in my check :-))
[11:16] <MyKq3> TenPlus1, gemme a sec i will give ya the right answer
[11:16] <crimsun> drspin: then you're stuck period.
[11:17] <usual> I just did a fresh install from a hoary cd image, no warty ever here :)
[11:17] <crimsun> drspin: the "nv" driver may perform marginally better with respect to console restoration.
[11:18] <drspin> crimsun: I'd rather be able to play quake3 than access my virtual terminals ;)
[11:18] <crimsun> drspin: then the choice is clear
[11:18] <TenPlus1> boots into login screen, I cannot see what I'm typing cause res is off...
[11:18] <drspin> crimsun: yes, thanks! :)
[11:18] <TenPlus1> and F1/F2 doesnt work
[11:18] <MyKq3> TenPlus1,  ctrl+alt+del
[11:19] <drspin> TenPlus -> hit [Ctrl]  + [Alt]  + [-] 
[11:19] <crimsun> TenPlus1: ctrl+alt+F1 switches you to a console
[11:19] <drspin> TenPlus1: that will change the X resolution on the fly for you - although it won't resize the desktop...
[11:19] <TenPlus1> nope, doesnt...
[11:19] <MyKq3> crimsun,  good ideal
[11:19] <TenPlus1> still in login
[11:19] <MyKq3> give it a long press ( ctrl + alt+ del
[11:20] <crimsun> TenPlus1: are you referring to gdm's login screen?
[11:20] <TenPlus1> once I get into X I'm literally working blind...  ctrl+alt+del brings up nothing
[11:20] <MyKq3> the screen will blink few times
[11:20] <drspin> TenPlus: do you have a live CD you can boot from?
[11:21] <TenPlus1> no, just the intall cd
[11:21] <drspin> does the install CD have a recovery feature that will get you to a console?
[11:21] <TenPlus1> can I do anything during boot to make it goto prompt instead of graphical login
[11:21] <MyKq3> hum DSL can b very handy
[11:21] <TenPlus1> oh yeh, it should... 2 ticks
[11:21] <MyKq3> try to dl it its only 50 m
[11:22] <TenPlus1> k, am in recovery mode... :) how can I change screen res here ?
[11:22] <MyKq3> TenPlus1,  try this http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
[11:23] <TenPlus1> k, I got a prompt... what do I type to change card/res ?
[11:23] <MyKq3> try to modify your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file ( just remove your 1600*1200 option on the screen modul )
[11:24] <MyKq3> don't erase it just remark it
[11:24] <drspin> TenPlus1: mkdir /mnt/file
[11:24] <TenPlus1> em, how do i edit... what command ?
[11:25] <MyKq3> okay sudo apt-get install mc
[11:25] <drspin> TenPlus1: sudo nano -w /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[11:25] <MyKq3> then do sudo mc
[11:25] <TenPlus1> ok, file doesnt exist...
[11:25] <TenPlus1> I just done a fresh install
[11:26] <mantas> need some help
[11:26] <MyKq3> i can install mano by sudo apt-get nano
[11:26] <mantas> tried this: sudo apt-get install nicotine
[11:26] <MyKq3> i can install mano by sudo apt-get install  nano ***
[11:26] <mantas> and got nicotine: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu4 is to be installed
[11:26] <drspin> TenPlus1: It's because you have to mnt your filesystem first
[11:26] <mantas> but i also have python2.3
[11:29] <ycco> nomasteryoda hey, you around?
[11:29] <ycco> nomasteryoda Didn't you say you have a Dell Inspiron 7500?
[11:30] <ycco> nomasteryoda I was wondering if I could borrow your CD drive for a bit, or... maybe, let me take out my hard drive, and stick it in your laptop and install ubuntu and then we can switch hd's back. :)
[11:30] <ycco> nomasteryoda I think my cdrom drive is dead.
[11:31] <ycco> msg'ed you the number to call if you are open to the idea.
[11:38] <TenPlus1> Does anyone know how to change Ubuntu's screen resolution without booting into X
[11:40] <tsw> TenPlus1: edit the XF86config file
[11:40] <TenPlus1> tried, but for some reason /etc/x11 doesnt exist
[11:41] <larlid1> Can't i use "modconf" to activate scsi-emulation?
[11:41] <tsw> TenPlus1: its /etc/X11 (capital X)
[11:42] <larlid1> My cd-rw drive uses ATAPI...
[11:42] <TenPlus1> oh, it's case specific
[11:44] <tsw> TenPlus1: everything is case specific (not counting microsoft :)
[11:44] <TenPlus1> true... I totally forgot about that... shiiiit!
[11:46] <TenPlus1> it's working now... thx for the help :)) <-- happy Ubuntu user
[11:46] <zenrox> it just infected anther box of mine
[11:46] <zenrox> hehehehe
[11:47] <spikeb> eh
[11:47] <zenrox> 1 more to go
[11:47] <tsw> exept for the newest kernel image which didnt work with ibm pcmcia
[11:47] <spikeb> i dont think im content with ubuntu because im nto content with any of the DEs
[11:48] <zenrox> spikeb,  ubuntu just works most hardware is supported
[11:48] <zenrox> but hay thats the prrice you pay
[11:48] <zenrox> linux rocks
[11:48] <zenrox> period
[11:49] <zenrox> spikeb,  have you tried using prelink
[11:49] <zenrox> might make the de's faster
[11:49] <spikeb> performance isnt an issue
[11:49] <zenrox> just dont do what you want
[11:50] <spikeb> im not sure WHAT it is, but i do spend my spare time thinking about how to design a better DE/GUI heh
[11:50] <spikeb> so thats my thing i guess
[11:50] <zenrox> lol with pleanty of eyecandy
[11:50] <zenrox> lol
[11:51] <spikeb> bah eyecandy is overrated - there's lots of it already :)
[11:51] <zenrox> hehehe
[11:51] <spikeb> i wonder if a new rhythmbox is going to be out in time for hoary
[11:51] <zenrox> maby may this year is the nxt releace for hoary
[11:53] <zenrox> so it depends when rythembox will release there nxt ver