[12:02] <spikeb> yeah
[12:03] <spikeb> i come from a long history of using macos classic and beos, so nothing feels right in the unix desktop area for me
[12:05] <gilgamesh> hey all
[12:05] <gilgamesh> kezz - you moving from warty to hoary?  nice, good luck
[12:06] <kezz> on an ibook too
[12:06] <kezz> so should be interesting
[12:07] <gilgamesh> yikes, hope you have better luck than I've been having lately.  I've been tinkering with Enigmail all day and I can't get it to work, which is frustrating since I had it just fine in WinXP.
[12:07] <gilgamesh> Any experience with enigmail?
[12:07] <kezz> i played with it briefly a while ago
[12:07] <kezz> but nothing substantial no sorry
[12:08] <gilgamesh> np, I'm sure it's something silly I'm overlooking.
[12:09] <gilgamesh> it's been a pain, since I'm willing to bet that the problem's been addressed in later versions that aren't in the warty repositories yet
[12:09] <gilgamesh> tbird 1.0 is supposed to reach backport soon, and then I'll try it again
[12:10] <gilgamesh> how new is the ibook?
[12:10] <kezz> g4
[12:10] <kezz> relatively new
[12:10] <gilgamesh> sweet
[12:11] <kezz> been using ubuntu long?
[12:12] <gilgamesh> a couple months, so not really.  switched from gentoo.
[12:12] <gilgamesh> switched in early Nov.
[12:12] <kezz> i tried it yesterday
[12:12] <gilgamesh> first linux distro or no?
[12:12] <kezz> nah
[12:12] <kezz> i usually use debian or freebsd
[12:13] <kezz> but they don't port very well to the ibook
[12:13] <kezz> ubuntu's hardware detection is even better than yellowdog in my experience
[12:13] <spikeb> YDL's 4.0 is crap
[12:13] <kezz> it all seems to work which is nice on a laptop, and it uses apt insteady of yucky yum
[12:13] <kezz> instead*
[12:14] <gilgamesh> I used Debian for a while and liked it, but got sick of measuring their release schedule in geological time, switched to gentoo and was okay with portage, but as soon as I found out about Ubuntu I jumped back to the Debian-based fold
[12:14] <TenPlus1> how do I install java and flash ??
[12:14] <kezz> yeah gentoo is nice if you have a few weeks to set it up
[12:15] <gilgamesh> hah, yeah.  The first time I installed it I had to use Windows for a week while I read up on portage.  After a while I got the hang of it, but having to build from src everytime got to be a pain
[12:16] <spikeb> it's a pain, but they seem to have the largest collection of working ppc packages.
[12:16] <spikeb> that aren't from the fourth century
[12:16] <kezz> and on modern cpu's the actual performance gain isn't worth the hassle imho
[12:16] <gilgamesh> TenPlus - You can use synaptic to install Java, and for flash, if you're just looking for a browser plugin, go to Macromedia's site and d/l the linux installer
[12:17] <gilgamesh> search the ubuntu forums for details, it's real easy
[12:17] <gilgamesh> here, read this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713&highlight=java+install
[12:18] <gilgamesh> kezz - yeah, I'm running on a P4 1.8 and honestly Ubuntu feels just as fast, once I got things tweaked a bit
[12:18] <spikeb> i was just thinking the other day that gentoo would rock if there was somethign similar to it, but binary package based
[12:18] <spikeb> heh
[12:18] <gilgamesh> no diff in performance, and software install/management is hell of a lot easier
[12:19] <kezz> well when i go back to uni im going to put it on my desktop and kick slack off
[12:19] <JoePenguin> slack... how quaint :P
[12:19] <kezz> heh
[12:19] <gilgamesh> Wow, giving up slack is a big move.  Slack users are hardcore, lol
[12:19] <drspin> anyone know of a good glade tutorial?
[12:20] <cavediver> Hi all. Can someone link some ubuntu reviews for me to read?
[12:20] <JoePenguin> gilgamesh: so how many does that leave, like 10? ;-)
[12:20] <gilgamesh> lol yeah.
[12:21] <kezz> JoePenguin, don't say that on linuxquestions.org :P
[12:22] <gilgamesh> The way I see it, Slack users are Gentoo users minus the organizational skills, and Ubuntu users are Debian users minus the patience for glacial release schedules.
[12:22] <gilgamesh> ;-)
[12:23] <finn_> hi.  I'm trying to adjust my laptop's synaptic touchpad cos the horizontal and vertical scrolling edges are bugging me... how do i do this? i assume it's in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[12:23] <cavediver> :) How many packages are supported by ubuntu. I'm currelnty on sid trying to figure out if I should reinstall ubunto.
[12:23] <spikeb> i have a less kind way of charactorizing the ubuntu/debian relationship
[12:23] <JoePenguin> gilgamesh: With plain Debian it's like, "Would it help if I got out and pushed?"
[12:23] <cavediver> You can't use debian .deb packages on ubuntu right?
[12:24] <spikeb> you can, but its bad.
[12:24] <cavediver> I see.
[12:24] <gilgamesh> cavediver - once you add all the "unofficial" repositories like backports, there's something like 14,000 packages available.
[12:24] <spikeb> gilgamesh, half of which are absolute crap
[12:24] <gilgamesh> There's very little that's missing for 99.99% of users
[12:24] <spikeb> (universe)
[12:24] <cavediver> I see. That's a few :)
[12:24] <gilgamesh> spikeb - well, yeah, I didn't say I had installed them all.  :)
[12:24] <spikeb> hehehe
[12:25] <cavediver> I'm no expert but I guess Ubunto is more suited for my desktop than sid.
[12:25] <gilgamesh> It's more suited for your sanity too.
[12:25] <cavediver> I use woody on my server with great success.
[12:25] <JoePenguin> how about we just call it "Ubu" for short?
[12:25] <cavediver> sanbity?
[12:25] <spikeb> sit, ubu, sit.
[12:25] <setite> ububu
[12:25] <JoePenguin> good dog.  woof!
[12:26] <JoePenguin> sit, ububu, sit.
[12:26] <cavediver> Is it good by the way :)
[12:26] <setite> serendipity?
[12:26] <ubuntu> hi, which application in linux was somewhat similar to quarkexpress?
[12:26] <cavediver> Hey guys, don't use such hard words :)
[12:26] <gilgamesh> cavediver - is what good?  ubuntu?  best distro I've used, and I've used most of the big ones at some point or another
[12:27] <spikeb> just because its better than everything else doesnt mean it doesnt suck
[12:27] <spikeb> heh
[12:27] <gilgamesh> okay mr. ballmer
[12:27] <cavediver> gilgamesh: alright. I'll consider it. Is it possible to install up-to date precompiled kernels. I have no time to compile them myself.
[12:27] <kezz> cavediver, it seems a very nice distro so far
[12:28] <kezz> uses 2.6 out of the box
[12:28] <gilgamesh> cave - just use apt-get or synaptic to grab the kernel package you want, and reboot.
[12:28] <jcspray> Hey!  It's the first of the month, where's my naked-person background?
[12:28] <gilgamesh> It does everything, including inserting an entry for the new kernel into grub
[12:29] <cavediver> Just the way I do now then. Is 2.6.10 available in ubuntu yet?
[12:29] <cavediver> Or does it follow the traditional 2 week delay of sid.
[12:29] <cavediver> :)
[12:29] <JoePenguin> I'm a fan of rolling my own kernel :)
[12:29] <kezz> brb reboot
[12:30] <gilgamesh> 2.6.8 is the latest in warty, I don't know if 2.6.10 is in Hoary or not
[12:30] <cavediver> I'm not. Found it fun in the good old days. Not anymore. Just want to be productive and have no time compiling everything :)
[12:30] <cavediver> Therefore I stay out of gentoo :)
[12:31] <atomcomputer> sorry i am french and i have  a problem
[12:31] <atomcomputer> i have installed some programs for hoary on warty
[12:32] <atomcomputer> and now when i boot my computer i have a lot a messages with 'your X is running' and GDM is not working
[12:32] <atomcomputer> and i have to kill X11 and to relunch with my user
[12:32] <atomcomputer> have you an idea N?
[12:33] <gilgamesh> atom - I'd try removing the Hoary repositories from your sources and try reverting to the prior versions of the affected packages.  You try the forums yet?
[12:34] <rhodan> hello all
[12:34] <atomcomputer> gilgamesh, no, not yet
[12:34] <rhodan> can someone help me wtih gdesklets ? I've got it installed, just need help adding new things to it ?
[12:34] <gilgamesh> Go to the forums and search there, I know this problem has been addressed by others.
[12:34] <atomcomputer> gilgamesh, i have to reverting to the prior version ? it's very bad :( nothing to do to repeae this ?
[12:35] <unperson> I have an mp3 player that mounts as a removeable USB mass storage device.  I'd like to have a piece of software where I can take a playlist and have it copy all the songs from the playlist onto my player.  Anyone know of a piece of software that does this in Linux?  Otherwise, I was thinking of writing a perl script for the job.
[12:35] <atomcomputer> gilgamesh, i'll see the forum
[12:35] <atomcomputer> unperson, apt-get install xmms ?
[12:36] <unperson> atomcomputer, Does xmms have this capability?
[12:36] <gilgamesh> atom - depends on the apps in question.  There are a few intrepid souls in the forums who have taken some packages from Hoary and tested them on Warty, then released them in their own repositories (backports).  This is the safest way to grab updated packages.
[12:36] <atomcomputer> i think so but i am not sure
[12:36] <rhodan> anyone ?
[12:36] <gilgamesh> atom - have you added the multiverse repositories and backports to your sources?
[12:37] <JoePenguin> unperson: I don't know but it sounds like a good idea.
[12:37] <gilgamesh> rhodan - sorry, I'm not familiar with gdesklets, though I plan on trying them eventually.  Have you checked the forums for help?
[12:37] <scoon> rhodan, http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/, that should help you.
[12:37] <atomcomputer> gilgamesh, wait 1sec ;)
[12:38] <scoon> rhodan,  also http://gnomesupport.org/forums/index.php
[12:38] <scoon> rhodan, as well as the ubuntu forums.
[12:38] <JoePenguin> unperson: actually it shouldn't be difficult to open a playlist saved by XMMS and parse it with Perl, like you were thinking.
[12:38] <unperson> atomcomputer, As far as I can tell, it doesn't have this functionality (looking as we speak).
[12:38] <unperson> JoePenguin, Yeah, that's the plan.
[12:38] <unperson> JoePenguin, Of course, I was going to add other features then.  My player can use m3u playlists, so I'd generate a new playlist.
[12:39] <atomcomputer> unperson, sorry
[12:39] <gilgamesh> rhodan - try this thread in the forums - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3012&highlight=gdesklets
[12:39] <unperson> JoePenguin, Possibly also randomize, check remaining space etc.
[12:39] <neighborlee> will future versions of ubuntu  have java pre-installed ???
[12:39] <neighborlee> also is there a 'easy' way to install it ? :(
[12:40] <unperson> atomcomputer, Hey, not you're fault.  :-)  I'm just saying I don't find it, so unless you have further info I'll assume it's not there.
[12:40] <neighborlee> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport/view?searchterm=java < easier than this crap I mean
[12:40] <notwist> hi all. can i ask what the average time is for y'all to rip a 1hr audio cd to mp3?
[12:40] <notwist> with sound juicer
[12:40] <unperson> neighborlee, I think there are licensing issues.
[12:40] <unperson> or something.
[12:40] <neighborlee> nope can't be
[12:40] <neighborlee> other distros have it preinstalled
[12:40] <neighborlee> i'm sure of it
[12:40] <spikeb> um
[12:41] <neighborlee> suse does..mepis does
[12:41] <spikeb> just because they do it does not mean there aren't licensing problems.
[12:41] <unperson> neighborlee, Different distros have different license standards.
[12:41] <notwist> it's taking about 25 minutes here, on a pretty new dvd-wr drive. going at 2.2 speed
[12:41] <scoon> neighborlee, other distros have some of the free sdk's installed.
[12:41] <gilgamesh> neighborlee - dunno, probably not, since it's not 100% oss, IIRC.  installation is easy enough, try: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713&highlight=java+install
[12:41] <gilgamesh> It's not that hard, just follow the instructions and you'll be fine
[12:41] <scoon> neighborlee, i would check and be sure that mepis has sun's.
[12:41] <spikeb> it does
[12:41] <neighborlee> to hell with license issues and being '100% OSS'..its high time we made linux 'easy to use' isn't it?
[12:41] <arctick> is there a way i can mount an iso (or actualy .bin & .cue) like daemon tools on windows
[12:41] <neighborlee> damn this makes me angry
[12:42] <spikeb> no, not the hell with it. that's not what ubuntu is.
[12:42] <neighborlee> and thats stupid
[12:42] <spikeb> you'll have to find somewhere else.
[12:42] <scoon> neighborlee, at what cost is making it easy worth
[12:42] <spikeb> no, it isn't.
[12:42] <unperson> neighborlee, I somewhat agree with that idea.  But I can't say it's someone elses job.
[12:43] <gilgamesh> neighborlee - it isn't as easy as pre-installed, but c'mon, just open a terminal, type sudo -s to get a root console, and copy/paste the commands from the tutorial into the console.  How hard is that?
[12:43] <spikeb> what's stupid is people coming in here, knowing full well (if they can read) that things that aren't OSS aren't supported/packaged, and bitching about it.
[12:43] <neighborlee> unperson, sorry its just a bugg issue for me..ubuntu is SO KEWL and so well done yet issues like this WILL hold it back some
[12:43] <neighborlee> unperson, if linux doesn't make EVERY stride to be easy to use 'everywhere' it WILL FAIL
[12:43] <scoon> neighborlee, what do you mean by fail ?
[12:43] <spikeb> no, it won't. it could not expand any more and it's already a success.
[12:43] <neighborlee> it will fail to share the market share with that stupid M$
[12:43] <scoon> tons of people use it and love it the way it is.
[12:44] <neighborlee> nonsense
[12:44] <neighborlee> mabye l33t'ers
[12:44] <neighborlee> but not suzie homemaker I guarantee it
[12:44] <scoon> neighborlee, i don't think that is what linux is about.  linux is not here trying to takeover winblows.
[12:44] <spikeb> so?
[12:44] <neighborlee> scoon: I never said it was ;-)
[12:44] <scoon> neighborlee, > it will fail to share the market share with that stupid M$
[12:44] <neighborlee> correvt
[12:44] <neighborlee> correct
[12:45] <neighborlee> NOTE my suse of 'share'
[12:45] <spikeb> what would be nice is more support from distros who won't ship java for Free java projects./
[12:45] <neighborlee> not 'takeover'
[12:45] <unperson> neighborlee, I'd like something that had a lot of stuff pre-installed: java, flash, codecs, etc., but I'll take what I can get when others are giving it to me for free.
[12:45] <neighborlee> use
[12:45] <gilgamesh> neighborlee, to my grandmother, WindowsUpdate might as well be a root console, she's just as confused.  There's no love lost for installing apps in Windows.
[12:45] <neighborlee> gilgamesh, installing apps in windows is dead easy
[12:45] <scoon> neighborlee, but it is sharing. look around here tonite, any one of these people could just as easily be running winhell and mirc
[12:45] <neighborlee> gilgamesh, but in ubuntu it is as well mostly....using synaptic ;-)
[12:45] <gilgamesh> perhaps, but how long have you been using Windows?
[12:45] <neighborlee> YEARS
[12:46] <scoon> neighborlee, and god bless the registry, best thing about breaking winblows.
[12:46] <spikeb> i actually used windows for maybe six years - that's about it.
[12:46] <exlt> neighborlee: for what it is worth, I for one, do not want JRE/SDK installed by default, and appreciate those that do not force software on me - never miss not having it installed
[12:46] <spikeb> default installations are not forcing anything upon you.
[12:46] <neighborlee> exlt: not forcing things is GOOD..making things a BITCH to install is NOT ;-)
[12:46] <gilgamesh> exactly.  For people just starting out they don't have to unlearn Windows, so there's still very little difference in difficulty for the new user
[12:46] <spikeb> and if there was a fully working free jre, it'd be installed by default.
[12:46] <neighborlee> exlt: I presume you want linux to succeced as well yes ?
[12:47] <scoon> spikeb, well there is gcj  :)
[12:47] <spikeb> i said fully working
[12:47] <scoon> neighborlee, linux IS succeeding !!!!!!!!!
[12:47] <unperson> I don't really know what Ubuntu's goals are. Frankly, I don't care that much.  Right now it works well for me.  I think you're right if the goal is to take over most of Windows' market share, but I'm not sure that's the goal (or necessarily possible).
[12:47] <exlt> neighborlee: in my opinion, it has - I have been using it since about 1996, and have a nice job supporting it's use on servers
[12:48] <gilgamesh> Okay, evangelism aside, anyone here get Engimal running in Tbird 0.8?
[12:48] <scoon> unperson, that is not the goal of linux.  and i think ubuntu is here to make using linux as easy as it can.
[12:48] <gilgamesh> Engimail that is
[12:48] <unperson> I also think that there isn't a "point of Linux" per se, other than to be useful.  The great think about free software is that different groups can decide what "useful" means to them.
[12:49] <jon__> Hello, is anyone able to get TwinView to work properly under Hoary with an nVidia card using the binary drivers?
[12:49] <scoon> and i think ubuntu has done a fine job of that as well.
[12:49] <scoon> jon__, have you had it working before ?
[12:49] <jon__> It's displaying to both monitors, but Xinerama isn't working, so it maximises to the width of both monitors, instead of just one
[12:49] <naim> i cant find any cd burning software, any advice ??
[12:49] <scoon> naim, cdrecord.
[12:49] <setite> anyone familiar with game servers
[12:49] <neighborlee> exlt: you said it -)..'servers'..desktop wize its still sucking back burner because of silly things like java not preinstalled....ask suzie to install java 'that way' and I guarantee you she will say: ' oh george get that POC off my hd right now and put windows back I'm not dealing with it' << why?..because windows makes it so easy: download: double click and play..you see my point ?
[12:49] <jon__> scoon, I had working under Warty earlier today, then I upgraded to Hoary and it stopped working
[12:50] <unperson> scoon, Well, I think neighborlee it correct in that ubuntu is not just about being easy.  They have other priorities two, some of which conflict with ease of use.  Tradeoffs.
[12:50] <spikeb> java is preinstalled on plenty of other distros that don't care about OSS/closed
[12:50] <setite> i need to know what is the minimum or a good base system for a gameserver... along with how to set one up
[12:50] <neighborlee> unperson, agreed
[12:50] <naim> scoon, i know that one .. i need something like k3b ..
[12:50] <gilgamesh> I've run into a wall, searched google and the forums and come up with no answers.  I installed Enigmail via synaptic and configured it, but when trying to encrypt an email it errors: "Enigmime not available."
[12:50] <scoon> naim, xcdroast then.
[12:50] <jon__> setite, that depends on lots of things - what game, how many players, etc.
[12:50] <scoon> jon__, check bugzilla or the forums for some broke info
[12:50] <unperson> scoon, naim?  The n-curses AIM client?
[12:50] <atomcomputer> gilgamesh, ok i'll disable the X at start
[12:51] <setite> jon_ - its not for me but a friend wants to create a 20person cs:source server
[12:51] <neighborlee> unperson, I find ubuntu like the best there is or dain close ( not counting suse which rocks but is also great for 'ease of use') but it could be SO MUCH MORE I think ;-))..I LOVE the philosophy but I fear it is held back by some out dated notions of making sure its always 100% OSS
[12:51] <setite> he knows nothing... the only thing i suggested is that he use linux instead of windows
[12:51] <jon__> scoon, will do
[12:51] <spikeb> um
[12:51] <scoon> spikeb, can you list one or 2 of them.
[12:51] <spikeb> scoon, suse, mepis, xandros, linspire, RHEL
[12:51] <naim> unperson, no in my case, my name is naim
[12:51] <spikeb> slackware.
[12:51] <gilgamesh> atom - can't get into X at all?  Just ctrl-alt-f2 into a new console and login, then edit the sources.
[12:52] <scoon> spikeb, slackware ? pre-installed
[12:52] <exlt> neighborlee: and the 500 people that I work with, primarily use Linux on the desktop, right along with our secretaries, HR people, etc - you just don't seem to be working with the right enterprise-level-minded IT folks  ;)
[12:52] <notwist> does oggenc have the alternative to lames --preset fast standard?
[12:52] <spikeb> scoon, it's on the disks, all you have to do is select it during the install - it's selected by default for the d section
[12:52] <scoon> one other thing are we just talking about the plugin or the SDK ?
[12:52] <scoon> there is a huge difference
[12:52] <neighborlee> exlt: you said it...IT FOLKS
[12:52] <spikeb> slackware has the whole sdk
[12:53] <setite> neighborlee - what os is held back the the 100% oss thing
[12:53] <scoon> spikeb, really.
[12:53] <spikeb> the others i listed have a plugin and iether jre or sdk, dont know
[12:53] <neighborlee> exlt: no offense and i'm happy for 'your office'..but IT folks are NOT suze homemaker ;-))
[12:53] <gilgamesh> scoon's right.  the sdk require one or two more hoops to get running
[12:53] <setite> suze?
[12:53] <neighborlee> suzie
[12:53] <setite> susie
[12:53] <spikeb> suze homemaker doesn't care about OSS and shouldn't use ubuntu until OSS can meet her needs.
[12:53] <atomcomputer> gilgamesh, i'll do that
[12:53] <spikeb> period.
[12:53] <scoon> spikeb, agreed to that.  good point.
[12:54] <naim> scoon, thnx ,.. i am reading the cdrecord docs anyway'
[12:54] <neighborlee> spikeb, is it a goal of ubuntu to be easy to use as windows ..or only for sophisticated l33t linux  users
[12:54] <scoon> naim, xcdroast is a goody.  I like it the best.  but in the end they are all just "front ends" to cdrecord.  Even k3b ( i think )
[12:54] <spikeb> neighborlee, the goal is to have an easy to use OPEN SOURCE OS
[12:55] <spikeb> neighborlee, note the capital words.
[12:55] <naim> root@test:/home/nad # apt-get install xcdroast
[12:55] <naim> Reading Package Lists... Done
[12:55] <naim> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[12:55] <naim> Package xcdroast is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:55] <naim> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:55] <naim> is only available from another source
[12:55] <naim> exlt: Package xcdroast has no installation candidate
[12:55] <neighborlee> yea  just like fedora core.and look how messy that is
[12:55] <Cloudchaser> isn't there an open source java?
[12:55] <naim> pfft
[12:55] <sensebend> yes Cloudchaser
[12:55] <sensebend> Kaffe
[12:55] <exlt> neighborlee: well, my wife, parents, brother, several 70-80+ year old neighbors which I have donated desktops - ALL non-technical people and using linux, don't seem to hold the same opinions that you are voicing so loudly...
[12:55] <sensebend> I believe it is called
[12:55] <gilgamesh> atom - once you get to a console, edit /etc/sources.list and make sure you get rid of the Hoary repositories and add the multiverse.  Then try apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[12:55] <Cloudchaser> but thats not in ubuntu is it?
[12:55] <spikeb> Cloudchaser, a few, and they suck
[12:55] <setite> nvm i found a good site that explains cs servers
[12:55] <spikeb> not ready for the big time
[12:55] <neighborlee> blacksometing or other
[12:55] <scoon> neighborlee,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/philosophy/document_view
[12:56] <spikeb> blackdown isn't OSS.
[12:56] <neighborlee> blackdown
[12:56] <neighborlee> oh ic..I was thinking maybe it was
[12:56] <naim> scoon, yes k3b is a frontend for cdrecord
[12:56] <neighborlee> sigh
[12:56] <spikeb> yeah blackdown is just a repackaging of sun's stuff.
[12:56] <gilgamesh> I'd try k3b if I didn't have to accept all the rest of the kde libs to run it.  I like my gnome clean, please. :)
[12:56] <spikeb> yeah i would like to see more rapid development of kaffe so another issue is dead (including java - no problme if a free JRE that worked great existed)
[12:56] <scoon> neighborlee, how hard is it for you to get the java plugin from SUN and copy it into $HOME/.mozilla/plugins ?
[12:57] <scoon> neighborlee, I am assuming that is all you want.
[12:57] <spikeb> thats not all you have to do, unfortunately.
[12:57] <neighborlee> scoon, not what im referring to
[12:57] <gilgamesh> That's one of two things that keeps WinXP on a second hard drive, DVD burning and games.
[12:57] <naim> scoon, is xcdroast available in restricted ??
[12:57] <sensebend> http://www.ubuntuguide.org - has step by step instructions on how to do this
[12:57] <scoon> spikeb, bs.  that is all that I have done before.
[12:57] <neighborlee> scoon: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport/view?searchterm=java < is what im referring to
[12:58] <drspin> aside from using apt or synapse, how can I tell if I have libgnomeui-2.0 installed?? I keep getting error messages when trying to compile my Glade application
[12:58] <scoon> neighborlee, that is for installing the SDK ? is that what you want ?
[12:58] <carajean> i need a little help mounting a ipod!
[12:58] <scoon> neighborlee, are you developing w/ java.  commercially ?
[12:58] <squeegy> drspin: you might need libgnomeui-2.0-dev
[12:59] <sensebend> neighborlee, how is that hard?
[12:59] <drspin> squeegy: according to synapse, it's not installed and when I try to install it I get this : (please check in #flood)
[12:59] <spikeb> scoon, that's bs - the plugin needs a working JRE, and there's more to setting it up than copying the plugin
[12:59] <scoon> spikeb, i am not going to argue w/ you.  I have done it that way and it works.
[12:59] <gilgamesh> I could have installed java using the forum instructions in the time it's taken since you entered the chat, neighborlee.  Grab a console and start cut/pasting the commands from the recipe, it's not difficult.
[01:00] <scoon> naim, try dpkg -p xcdroast
[01:00] <squeegy> drspin: hmm weird, so don't know what to tell ya
[01:00] <scoon> naim, that will show you all about that deb
[01:00] <drspin> squeegy: thanks anyway ;)
[01:00] <spikeb> you can go ahead and think that all you want, but it ain't possible unless you use an rpm or a deb of it.
[01:00] <sensebend> if it's too hard, talk to Sun and ask them to make it easier :P
[01:00] <scoon> spikeb, me ?
[01:01] <neighborlee> gilgamesh, thats not the point and you know it
[01:02] <neighborlee> gilgamesh, and atm i'm unable to even find the directions to install java for browsers..its supposedly on a 'wiki' but i'm not finding it
[01:02] <spikeb> you don't have a valid point right now, so who cares what it is?
[01:02] <scoon> whew there are a cranky bunch in here this eve.  everyone must still be hungover and pissed off.
[01:02] <gilgamesh> Well, what is the point?  Surely your time is valuable enough that you didn't come here simply to vent about how java wasn't pre-installed, right?
[01:02] <exlt> and when you download the JRE, neighborlee, you will notice that you will need to agree to Sun's licensing terms - if you wish to read them carefully, it will become quite clear why the software is not included in the distribution, and also will raise questions as to the legalities of others including this bundled in by default
[01:02] <gilgamesh> neighborlee, I posted this twice already, read: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713&highlight=java+install
[01:03] <sensebend> neighborlee, check this http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[01:03] <neighborlee> gilgamesh, thats part of it yes
[01:03] <gilgamesh> The instructions tell you how to get systemwide java support and support for firefox
[01:03] <nde> hi
[01:03] <neighborlee> gilgamesh, 'some' form of java yes should be ready to rock ( at least for web browsing)
[01:03] <nde> happy 2005 everyone
[01:03] <neighborlee> firefox 'trys' to get java installed but it fails..
[01:03] <sensebend> that goes against the philosophy of being 100% OSS
[01:04] <neighborlee> sensebend, oh you mean like nvidia right ?LOL
[01:04] <neighborlee> my heart so bleeds
[01:04] <gilgamesh> neighborlee - then post it in the development mailing list, maybe you can convince someone who matters. :)
[01:04] <spikeb> still think that gcj and kaffe should get more help from distro makers
[01:04] <neighborlee> gilgamesh, I surely will
[01:04] <[oZaR] > what distro can i use to mount a web server?
[01:04] <mjg59> Historically, the Sun JRE can't be shipped if you include any other java environments
[01:04] <sensebend> agreed spikeb
[01:04] <Cloudchaser> i think the philosphy is OSS, not easy mostly
[01:05] <spikeb> i mean, this whole issue would be dead if they were mature.
[01:05] <spikeb> and everyone would be happy
[01:05] <Cloudchaser> but its not only that really
[01:05] <[oZaR] > which distro do you think is better for a webserver?
[01:05] <spikeb> that's a good point - shipping a JRE in restricted is an idea.
[01:05] <gilgamesh> ozar - OpenBSD.
[01:05] <sensebend> OpenBSD, [oZaR] 
[01:06] <[oZaR] > ok
[01:06] <[oZaR] > thank u
[01:06] <mjg59> Ah, it's still the case
[01:06] <[oZaR] > BSD is lik elinux?
[01:06] <gilgamesh> sorta/kinda.
[01:06] <mjg59> The JRE license doesn't allow redistribution if you include any other Java compilers
[01:06] <spikeb> then dont use sun's JRE.
[01:06] <gilgamesh> www.openbsd.org
[01:06] <sensebend> similar, and different
[01:06] <Cloudchaser> on one hand, there's no services gui and i read someone said its because "The reason has been
[01:06] <Cloudchaser> mentioned here before - simply that desktop end-users shouldn't need
[01:06] <Cloudchaser> to be starting and stopping services."
[01:06] <mjg59> Well, quite
[01:07] <spikeb> Cloudchaser, wonder who the brilliant mind behind that was.
[01:07] <Cloudchaser> but yet...its ok for desktop end users to muck around in config files that can hose their system
[01:07] <mjg59> Cloudchaser: There is no services gui because upstream does not provide a services gui
[01:07] <spikeb> if gnome system tools can include it, then desktop users can do it.
[01:07] <[oZaR] > ill try openbsd, but which linux distro is the better?
[01:07] <Cloudchaser> rather than fill in some blanks of a gui
[01:07] <sensebend> OpenBSD is not a GNU/Linux distro
[01:07] <nde> FreeBSD might be a little easier to begin with..
[01:08] <spikeb> yes it does - GST has a runlevel editor.
[01:08] <gilgamesh> ozar - personal preference really, you can run a webserver on any distro.  OpenBSD is a good alternative to linux because it's design philosophy is centered around security
[01:08] <gilgamesh> Hence, aimed at server applications.
[01:08] <[oZaR] > ok
[01:08] <mjg59> Oh, that's interesting. I thought that was one of the ones that was disabled pre-2.8.
[01:08] <[oZaR] > and what about other bsd distributions?
[01:08] <sensebend> and the reason the code forked is a rather interesting story too
[01:08] <Cloudchaser> checkpoint firewalls run over bsd i think
[01:08] <sensebend> (refering to OpenBSD)
[01:09] <siretart> I installed OpenBSD this week on my lovely UltraSparc. Well, you don't know how much I love ubtuntu/debian installer since then :)
[01:09] <Cloudchaser> hehe i've never tried to install bsd
[01:09] <Cloudchaser> ubuntu is a nice distro, there's no doubt about it
[01:09] <[oZaR] > siretart: its very difficult to install?
[01:09] <gilgamesh> ozar - NetBSD is tricky, Free is easiest to use.  Honestly any BSD or linux will serve up pages just fine once you get things running, it's a matter of how secure you need to be and how much time you want to invest in admin'ing the box.
[01:09] <[oZaR] > (openbsd)
[01:09] <Cloudchaser> but its not "easy"
[01:10] <crimsun> [oZaR] : the install process does not hold your hand, that's for certain. But it is by no means "difficult."
[01:10] <[oZaR] > ok
[01:10] <spikeb> Cloudchaser, the parts that work properly are easy.
[01:10] <scoon> wow
[01:10] <sensebend> yeah, it's a bit more awkward
[01:10] <crimsun> [oZaR] : there are plenty of solid docs on the OpenBSD web site. One just needs to read up.
[01:10] <scoon> slack even has java 5
[01:10] <scoon> nice
[01:10] <nuOpus> Hey whats up?
[01:10] <[oZaR] > crimsun: ok
[01:10] <[oZaR] > ill do it
[01:11] <[oZaR] > thank you
[01:11] <gilgamesh> Cloudchaser - I see "easy" as a relative term.  I've run Slack, RH, Debian, Mandrake, Gentoo and Ubuntu, and Ubuntu is the easiest general-purpose desktop distro I've used.  As easy as Windows, not quite, but it's a good evolutionary step
[01:11] <siretart> [oZaR] : not too difficult, but that shellscript won't give you much options in installing it :)
[01:11] <nuOpus> gilamesh: That is also relative to your experience. I find the console much easier to use than navigating around windows
[01:11] <siretart> [oZaR] : no debconf, no fancy partitioner, no selection of packages, no anything :)
[01:11] <nuOpus> gilamesh: Mainly because that is how I grew up
[01:12] <spikeb> i grew up on a mac
[01:12] <spikeb> then had a beos box
[01:12] <spikeb> is it any wonder i can't get comfortable in a *nix DE yet
[01:12] <Cloudchaser> nuOpus, and linux gives you the freedom to do that
[01:12] <Cloudchaser> but it doesn't give the freedom to do it all by gui if one so chose
[01:12] <nuOpus> People say Windows is intuitive which is completely wrong. Intuitive is of intuition meaning you can do it withou ANY prior experience. The ONLY way you know to click on the X to close is prior experience
[01:12] <Cloudchaser> more so than previously for sure
[01:12] <gilgamesh> Nu0pus - you're a rare breed then.  I've done my share of time as a code-jockey before going to law school and I still prefer gui to console when the gui is intelligent enough
[01:13] <nuOpus> so windows is in no way intuitive
[01:13] <nuOpus> if you grew up without the x on the upper right you would have no concept
[01:13] <nuOpus> more to the point .... if you have never grown up with an operating system with the CONCEPT of Windows .... all of those squares mix and it gets confusing to pick which one you are working on.
[01:14] <gilgamesh> nu0pus - well, going back far enough I grew up on CP/m and DOS, then Windows, then linux.  I'm not a newbie to a command-line
[01:14] <nuOpus> Take the elderly ... its not that they are stupid ... its that they have no prior experience into the desktop
[01:14] <gilgamesh> agreed
[01:14] <gilgamesh> that's a good time to get them into linux, so they don't have to unlearn Windows
[01:14] <Cloudchaser> and most people wnat to accomplish a task, not rip into the guts of an OS
[01:14] <nuOpus> I went DOS ... found Win 3.11 sucked for my multi-node BBS then I went to BSD
[01:15] <drspin> why can't anything but nautilus-cd-burnere write to my burner?
[01:15] <nuOpus> and then ended up with falcoln on Linux before BBSs died .... so I have not really been in Windows growing up
[01:15] <drspin> correction... why can't anything but nautilus cd burner find my burner?
[01:15] <spikeb> yeah i ddint use windows all that much myself
[01:16] <[oZaR] > how will openbsd work in a p 166?
[01:16] <gilgamesh> Cloud - I don't see Ubuntu as having forced us to "rip into the guts" very often.  I've had to edit txt config files a handful of times, but virtually everything is administerable via gui
[01:16] <nuOpus> ya that is why I think Linux has a better chance with the new generation so that they can grow up without the windows "laziness" effect
[01:17] <nuOpus> I mean .... have you EVERN known a good programmer that is a COMPLETE Windows user?
[01:17] <nuOpus> They cannot function without ANY form of IDE
[01:17] <gilgamesh> ozar - p166?  how much ram and what's the size of your pipe?
[01:17] <[oZaR] > not much
[01:17] <nuOpus> I mean ... get them to use just a text editor and a good compiler like gcc and they freak out
[01:17] <drspin> how can I make cdrecord and cdrtools run as root?
[01:17] <[oZaR] > 16mb or ram
[01:17] <gilgamesh> nu0pus - heh, true.  I learned on Solaris with vi, XEmacs and gcc.
[01:17] <[oZaR] > and 8 gb of hd
[01:17] <vladster> I have a small question.....
[01:17] <nuOpus> LOL
[01:18] <[oZaR] > *of ram
[01:18] <vladster> I just put it on 60
[01:18] <sensebend> 166mhz Pentium is plenty fast for a webserver
[01:18] <nuOpus> Windows user: "Its impossible to write a program without a GUI IDE and pre-made objects"
[01:18] <nuOpus> Linux user: "Just do it already!"
[01:18] <gilgamesh> ozar - that box is one hurtin' puppy for any *nix, but you should be able to get bsd to run, no X of course.
[01:18] <vladster> The install did not prompt me for a root password
[01:18] <[oZaR] > i didnt want x
[01:19] <nuOpus> gilamesh: Never really tried Solaris
[01:19] <nuOpus> gilamesh: but I hear they are re-vamping the x86 version of it
[01:19] <drspin> sensebend: so long as you're not generating lots of traffic, doing heavy calculations, or running a moderately sized database... even still it should have LOTS of RAM
[01:19] <vladster> supposed to be open code or so what I hear
[01:19] <mjg59> Oh, no, hang on. I was right.
[01:19] <nuOpus> vladster: I heard only some of it is open
[01:19] <mjg59> gnome-system-tools doesn't build a services GUI now.
[01:19] <nuOpus> but I could be wrong
[01:19] <vladster> Parts of it
[01:20] <spikeb> hmm
[01:20] <gilgamesh> At undergrad I used Sun boxen in the CS lab, USparcIIIs.  Fast.  x86 always lagged, but now they're revamping it and ditching CDE.
[01:20] <nuOpus> I actually liked CDE
[01:20] <spikeb> only reason i want to use solaris x86 is for a free copy of cde
[01:20] <nuOpus> got it running on the BSD box
[01:20] <mjg59> Sun needed to ditch CDE to meet US government accessibility requirements
[01:20] <vladster> I need to get to my root password, ubuntu intaller did not prompt me for one
[01:20] <nuOpus> a long time ago
[01:20] <sensebend> vladster, there isn't one
[01:21] <sensebend> all root stuff is acomplished through sudo
[01:21] <nuOpus> vladster: there is root but it is disabled. Type sudo passwd root
[01:21] <gilgamesh> CDE is ugly and heavy.  Hell, KDE is lighter.
[01:21] <gilgamesh> It's really a pig.
[01:21] <nuOpus> gilamesh: I liked the feel ... but then again ... it was a long time ago. I am an XFCE fan now
[01:21] <gilgamesh> Solaris 10 is using the new JDE, Java Desktop
[01:22] <sensebend> the Java Desktop is pretty :)
[01:22] <nuOpus> gilamesh: Doesnt that make it heavy?
[01:22] <mjg59> vladster: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:22] <mjg59> Java Desktop is just Gnome
[01:22] <gilgamesh> Haven't tried it, since I don't run Slowaris
[01:22] <mjg59> There's almost no java in it
[01:22] <nuOpus> There are some things I couldnt do without enabling the actual root account
[01:22] <gilgamesh> nu0pus - such as?  I haven't touched root
[01:22] <nuOpus> I am interrested in trying it after they fix their driver availability issue
[01:22] <vladster> normally I have to setr up my sudoers list manually
[01:22] <nuOpus> like setting up the web based stuff
[01:23] <nuOpus> you cannot set up driverloader for example
[01:23] <nuOpus> unless you enable root
[01:23] <nuOpus> has no command like interface for setting up the drivers
[01:23] <nuOpus> and it wants to log in as root
[01:23] <gilgamesh> driverloader?
[01:23] <vladster> how do you chek if the NVidia driver is correctly loaded and acceleration is enabled
[01:23] <nuOpus> gilgamesh: Yes ... it lets you use Windows wireless drivers
[01:23] <gilgamesh> ahh
[01:23] <crimsun> vladster: glxinfo
[01:24] <gilgamesh> I'm running on a wired desktop, so I haven't had that difficulty
[01:24] <nuOpus> Linux does not yet have native broadcom modules available and ndiswrapper has issues sometimes
[01:24] <nuOpus> all of my desktops are wireless
[01:24] <mjg59> Because Broadcom won't ship them, which is strange
[01:24] <mjg59> They've got drivers internally
[01:25] <nuOpus> so they only way they work is using ndiswrapper or driverloader
[01:25] <gilgamesh> My laptop is still WinXP, unfortunately, since my law school's exam software is strictly Win only.  I tried running it emulated but it crashed constantly... not something I want in the middle of an exam
[01:26] <nuOpus> gilgamesh: I need WinXP at work too ... thats why I run in a VMware session
[01:26] <gilgamesh> But I've been thinking about grabbing a second laptop off eBay, something cheap to run Ubuntu on
[01:26] <nuOpus> works great
[01:26] <nuOpus> lap is completely Linux with a VMware XP install just for work
[01:26] <nuOpus> currently Gentoo Linux though
[01:26] <nuOpus> thinking of putting ubuntu on it
[01:26] <nuOpus> since hoary is turning out good
[01:27] <gilgamesh> Yeah, this exam software preempts a lot of the Windows core junk at boot time, to lock out Windows explorer access so you can't open files during the exam.  VMW didn't play nice with it last time I tried, and the company that makes it doesn't care about linux users
[01:27] <vladster> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". what does this line mean
[01:28] <nuOpus> that doesnt sound good for the OS. You gonna be able to get it off after the courses? LOL
[01:28] <nuOpus> it means the DRI modules did not load on X startup
[01:28] <nuOpus> either because the module is not there (or installed right) or the module does not detect the device
[01:29] <gilgamesh> Probably not actually.  A friend who just graduated had to take hers to the campus techs and they just burned her data to CD and wiped it
[01:29] <neighborlee> gilgamesh, okay I have been VERY busy..anyway..your time spent finding URL IS appreciated do not mistake that...however if I have to go through that just to get java working...i'll have to think about if i'm using the right distro or not which is sad because i'm come to love ubuntu and its philosophies ( some of them anyway)...I just hope someday soon they consider making java for browsing preinstalled like other distros do
[01:29] <nuOpus> you should look in the /var/log directory to see what the logs say
[01:29] <gilgamesh> reinstalled xp and handed it back to her
[01:29] <nuOpus> ya thats what I figured
[01:29] <crimsun> neighborlee: there is a licensing issue, too
[01:29] <nuOpus> when you start messing with windows like that it is hard to take it off
[01:29] <nuOpus> in Linux I just remove the files
[01:29] <crimsun> neighborlee: until debian-legal sorts it out, I doubt the sun jre/jdk will be distributed in-distro
[01:29] <nuOpus> and re-configure some things
[01:30] <neighborlee> crimsun, well then maybe they should consider blackdown assuming it too doesn't  have licensing issues
[01:30] <usual> will gstreamer in hoary support playing dvd's?
[01:30] <gilgamesh> neighborlee - your thanks are appreciated, you're welcome.  however, I would advise that you stick with Ubuntu for a couple weeks and see if it meets most of your expectations before jumping to another distro.
[01:30] <nuOpus> neighborlee: Just make your own sun java debs
[01:30] <crimsun> neighborlee: it's already available blackdown's repositories
[01:30] <nuOpus> use make-jpkg
[01:30] <gilgamesh> I sincerely doubt there's any distro that meets 100% of your desires.
[01:30] <neighborlee> crimsun, sigh yet another hastle
[01:30] <nde> LFS ;)
[01:30] <neighborlee> i'm trying to avoid hastles <G>
[01:30] <nuOpus> gilgamesh: Gentoo does a good job for me meeting 100% except for install times! LOL
[01:31] <kezz> then get mandrake
[01:31] <crimsun> neighborlee: it's not at all a hassle
[01:31] <nuOpus> neighborlee its easy
[01:31] <kezz> and live in purpleness forever :P
[01:31] <vladster> the system has it listed on the pci bus even though it is plugged into an AGP slot
[01:31] <nuOpus> just type make-jpkg sun-blahblahblah.bin
[01:31] <nuOpus> and it does it automagically
[01:31] <sensebend> the amount of time neighborlee has been here, he could have installed Java
[01:31] <neighborlee> crimsun, any idea what the deal is with sun and licensing for us ?
[01:31] <mjg59> neighborlee: Blackdown JRE is under the same license as the Sun one
[01:31] <neighborlee> sensebend, and you severly fail to see the point..but thats ok
[01:31] <nuOpus> ya. They want to control its distribution
[01:32] <neighborlee> mjg59, oh ok well I thought someone mentioned in with idea that it wasn't or something..sigh
[01:32] <kezz> which is fair enough nuOpus
[01:32] <nde> http://lfs.pagefault.net/lfs/whatislfs.html
[01:32] <nuOpus> kezz: Yes I know
[01:33] <mjg59> To the best of my knowledge, there is no full-featured JRE that can be distributed alongside any other java runtimes
[01:33] <nuOpus> kezz: just like I perfectly understand why broadcom wouldnt release code for linux programmers to write modules
[01:33] <ubuntu> does fglrx have support for Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE] ?
[01:33] <mjg59> classpath is getting better, though, so in the not very distant future life should be better
[01:33] <mjg59> ubuntu: No
[01:33] <mjg59> It's supported by the open drivers
[01:33] <nuOpus> ubuntu: no. because they are not the catalyst drivers that ATI PROMISED IN DECEMBER!!
[01:34] <neighborlee> nuOpus, of course..its 'their' code and they aint sharing..just like nvidia..and who could blame them :_))
[01:34] <ubuntu> mjg59, which open drivers?
[01:34] <gilgamesh> ubuntu - if at all possible, if you want serious 3d support in linux you need to switch cards and get an nvidia chipset.
[01:34] <usual> will gstreamer in hoary support playing dvd's?
[01:34] <mjg59> ubuntu: The ones included in the distribution by default
[01:34] <sensebend> usual, maybe with libcss2
[01:34] <usual> sensebend, no, it's a gstreamer issue
[01:34] <usual> sensebend, yes you need libdvdcss2 or whatever
[01:34] <usual> but gstreamer wont play them anyway
[01:34] <nuOpus> ubuntu: They were supposed to release the actual catalyst drivers in December but I dont see them yet .. but any rate ... the 7000 works with the internal radeon module
[01:35] <ubuntu> I should just modprobe radeon?
[01:35] <sensebend> I use XINE, so I can't comment on gstreamer
[01:35] <nuOpus> usual: I use mplayer to play some dvd movies
[01:35] <nuOpus> it didnt just detect it during the install?
[01:35] <spikeb> i dont even have a dvd drive :)
[01:35] <gilgamesh> sensebend - same here, totem-xine for me.  Ironically, everything plays except DVDs
[01:35] <usual> nuOpus, yea me too, gstreamer does support dvd's in cvs i heard but not in the versions currently in hoary
[01:36] <usual> nuOpus, xine plays them as well
[01:36] <nuOpus> yes
[01:36] <nuOpus> does anyone know the link to get the hoary test CDs?
[01:36] <usual> cdimage.ubuntulinux.org
[01:36] <usual> i just used one today
[01:36] <usual> works great
[01:36] <gilgamesh> nu0pus - would be faster to just grab a .torrent, no?
[01:36] <drspin> would someone please help me with burning on my system...
[01:36] <benjanet> anyone uses Xcin here ?
[01:37] <sensebend> dist-upgrade from Hoary after usual: worked out the issues for me :)
[01:37] <usual> sensebend, nice
[01:37] <nuOpus> ya I dist-upgraded to hoary on a test box .. works great! thats why I am thinking of replacing my Gentoo for the laptop
[01:37] <sensebend> err warty
[01:37] <spikeb> hmm
[01:37] <nuOpus> gilgamesh: ya ... probably right
[01:37] <spikeb> i dont like headaches so i might stay away from hoary
[01:37] <spikeb> besides, i have an ATI card and use their drivers.....heh
[01:37] <nuOpus> I do well with problems in Linux ... it works great on the test box
[01:38] <gilgamesh> spikeb - ATI?  You poor soul
[01:38] <nuOpus> I feal dairing
[01:38] <nuOpus> feel
[01:38] <spikeb> gilgamesh, yeah im stuck with it - my motherboard (a crappy one) can't handle newer nvidia cards
[01:38] <sensebend> nothing wrong with ATI, as long as your avoid their binary drivers
[01:38] <sensebend> like the plague
[01:38] <gilgamesh> ouch
[01:38] <nuOpus> gilgamesh: I have owned every ATI since the original rage ..... I am about to switch to nvidia
[01:38] <spikeb> yaeh so i have a fx5200 sitting here doing nothing
[01:38] <spikeb> because of my mobo
[01:39] <gilgamesh> I've had my GF4 ti4600 for a couple years now, and the way I see it, this card will have to last a few years longer.
[01:39] <nuOpus> im not a big pc gamer anyway. that is what my XBOX and XBOX live is for
[01:39] <nuOpus> even though my main PC could serve as a kick butt gaming machine
[01:39] <gilgamesh> same here, I have a PS2 for gaming, and I plan on getting an Xbox2
[01:39] <ctd> Isn't xbox for running linux on? :>
[01:40] <nuOpus> LOL I would do it if there was no risk of banning me from xbox live
[01:40] <gilgamesh> ctd - no, it's for running netBSD on.  ;-)
[01:40] <nuOpus> xbox live is the best. I just love the service
[01:40] <spikeb> i want to upgrade just my motherboard, but this one doesnt use ddr
[01:40] <spikeb> and it's a PITA to find a non ddr board for a 1ghz+ processor
[01:40] <nuOpus> I just feel bad because I pay money to microsoft every year for it
[01:40] <nuOpus> :-(
[01:40] <nuOpus> but im hooked
[01:40] <gilgamesh> well, ram is cheaper now, might want to burn some xmas cash
[01:41] <vladster> Is there a reason stream tuner is not in the repository?
[01:41] <gilgamesh> I've been thinking about going from 512 to a gig
[01:41] <nuOpus> I have 2 gig in main PC. :-)
[01:41] <crimsun> gilgamesh: it's an excellent investment
[01:41] <nuOpus> And ATI Radeon 9800
[01:41] <gilgamesh> then again, since I don't program anymore, and don't do 3d, I hardly need it
[01:42] <spikeb> i have 640 heh
[01:42] <crimsun> I did away with swap completely when I moved from 512->1024
[01:42] <nuOpus> but I dont like using that PC
[01:42] <drspin> whoa -
[01:42] <drspin> I don't like k3b
[01:42] <drspin> :(
[01:42] <drspin> but its' the only program that will work
[01:42] <nuOpus> wife likes it cuz it has a cheezy 17" flatscreen. I much prefer this slower machine and its 21" monitor
[01:42] <vladster> does warty use xfree or xorg
[01:42] <nuOpus> xorg
[01:43] <spikeb> warty uses xfree
[01:43] <Cervantes_> Hello all.  I was wondering if anyone knows any place, OTHER than www.linuxant.org, to download linux drivers for comexant style modems
[01:43] <spikeb> hoary uses xorg
[01:43] <nuOpus> oh
[01:43] <nuOpus> ya sorry
[01:43] <nuOpus> didnt read it
[01:43] <gilgamesh> k3b is crap simply because you need to load all those kde libs on top of gnome... unfortunately dvd burning apps for gnome are nonexistent
[01:43] <vladster> then the NVidia binary should find it then
[01:43] <spikeb> audio burning programs for gnome are almost nonexistant as well
[01:43] <nuOpus> Cervantes_: Two ways to get it to work .... Driverloader or ndiswrapper
[01:43] <Cervantes_> both are websites?
[01:43] <nuOpus> just go to http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net
[01:44] <nuOpus> download the source ... I have had problems with the debs
[01:44] <spikeb> friend of mine used ndiswrapper with success the other day
[01:44] <grepper>  for a connexant winmodem ?
[01:44] <Cervantes_> aweomse.  I was about to resort to switching modems :/
[01:44] <nuOpus> spikeb: ndiswrapper is good software ... I paid for driverloader though
[01:44] <drspin> gilgamesh: there are many started gnomebaker, gcombust, graveman -- but they're all in early stages...
[01:45] <ubuntu> do I have to edit XF86Config-4 as well in order to have advantage of radeon kernel module?
[01:45] <spikeb> has anyone used a sempron? any better than an xp?
[01:45] <gilgamesh> $82 for another 512MB from crucial... hmm, tempting
[01:45] <crimsun> ubuntu: no
[01:45] <grepper> ubuntu: I just use Driver  "ati"
[01:45] <justdave> anyone familiar with FileMerge on Mac OS X?  I'm pretty sure there's an equivalent program in Linux, but I forget what it's called to look for it...
[01:46] <spikeb> shouldn't dvd burning (at least data) be nautilus' responsibility
[01:46] <ubuntu>  i did ati however when I try to run armagetron for example:
[01:46] <justdave> visual side-by-side diff/merge utility
[01:46] <ubuntu> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:46] <ubuntu> I get this
[01:46] <nuOpus> sdiff and diff
[01:46] <gilgamesh> spikeb - it should, but Naut only handles CDs at the moment
[01:46] <grepper> ubuntu: did you modprobe radeon ?
[01:46] <nuOpus> oh you want merging too
[01:46] <ubuntu> yes I did
[01:46] <nuOpus> sorry justdave .... have never had to do that
[01:46] <spikeb> ahh future release then
[01:47] <mantas> do anyone use nicotine in hoary?
[01:47] <crimsun> mantas: yes
[01:47] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~ $ lsmod | grep rad
[01:47] <ubuntu> radeon                115236  0
[01:47] <grepper> ubuntu: do you have xlibmesa-dri  xlibmesa-gl* installed ?
[01:47] <gilgamesh> spikeb - ideally, Naut would handle data recording to cd and dvd+/-r/rw, and there would be a nice gnome app for cd/dvd a/v authoring... that second part isn't anywhere on the horizon though
[01:48] <ubuntu> grepper, they are already the newest version however:
[01:48] <spikeb> yeah
[01:48] <mantas> crimsun, did you have problems installing it?
[01:48] <grepper> do you have a Load "dri" line ?
[01:49] <Cervantes_> nu0pus, that site isn't just wireless modems, right?
[01:49] <gilgamesh> Someone ought to talk to the guys who write DVDShrink and DVDDecrypter to get them to port to linux
[01:49] <gilgamesh> those are fantastic Windows apps for handling DVDs
[01:49] <gilgamesh> and they're already freeware, IIRC
[01:49] <gilgamesh> just need to gpl it
[01:49] <ubuntu> My XF86Config-4 was generated for an nvidia card then I replaced the card with a ati one just editing the driver "nv" part.
[01:50] <crimsun> mantas: none, though I installed it over a month ago
[01:50] <ubuntu> can that be a reason
[01:50] <grepper> ubuntu: is that a yes ?
[01:50] <ubuntu> they are installed yes
[01:50] <grepper> ubuntu: <grepper> do you have a Load "dri" line ?
[01:51] <ubuntu> grepper, I have that line yes
[01:51] <mantas> crimsun, i think now nicotine's dependencies are wrong
[01:51] <ubuntu> have Load "glx" as well
[01:51] <grepper> ubuntu: ati agpgart is loaded ?
[01:52] <mantas> it should depend on python2.3 not python
[01:53] <ubuntu> agpgart kernel module is loaded but I do not know what you mean by ati
[01:53] <ubuntu> Driver "ati" line is in XF86Config-4
[01:53] <grepper> no, I mean the kernel module
[01:54] <ubuntu> ati module is not loaded let me try
[01:54] <grepper> er, its not ati
[01:54] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~ $ sudo modprobe ati
[01:54] <ubuntu> FATAL: Module ati not found.
[01:54] <grepper> its agpgart
[01:54] <grepper> more specifically the agpgart for your chipset
[01:54] <kezz> ubuntu if i remember a debian howto on ati dri the modules have to be loaded in a certain order
[01:55] <grepper> ubuntu: agpgart, then radeon, then load X
[01:55] <ubuntu> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/char/agp/ati-agp.ko what about this one grepper?
[01:55] <grepper> its not going to work if you load the radeon module while in X
[01:55] <grepper> ubuntu: depends
[01:56] <grepper> dmesg|grep agp
[01:56] <ubuntu> Linux agpgart interface v0.100 (c) Dave Jones
[01:56] <ubuntu> agpgart: Detected NVIDIA nForce2 chipset
[01:56] <ubuntu> agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 439M
[01:56] <ubuntu> agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xf8000000
[01:57] <grepper> CONFIG_AGP_NVIDIA  I would assume
[01:58] <spikeb> heh
[01:58] <spikeb> this mockup.org thing excites me
[01:58] <grepper> modprobe -l | grep agp  -> see if there is an nvidia specific one
[01:59] <Cervantes_> nuOpus, ndiswrapper isn't just for wireless modems, is it?  And also, how do I do this: "Make sure you have started compiling the kernel sources, so needed header files are present."
[01:59] <ubuntu> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/char/agp/nvidia-agp.ko
[01:59] <grepper> is it loaded ?
[01:59] <ubuntu> yes
[02:00] <ubuntu> remove?
[02:00] <ubuntu> :)
[02:00] <grepper> heh, no, just want to make sure it was loaded
[02:01] <vladster> are there additional repositiries that I can use for apt-get
[02:02] <neighborlee> nuOpus, LOL>.yeah gentoo at install time ..RRRRRRRROFL
[02:02] <grepper> ubuntu: what does "glxinfo|grep rendering" say ?
[02:02] <neighborlee> nuOpus, however even that can be circumvented with stage3 etc. <G>
[02:03] <ubuntu> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:03] <ubuntu> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[02:03] <ubuntu> first repeated several times
[02:03] <grepper> that's from the command above ?
[02:04] <ubuntu> yep
[02:04] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~ $ glxinfo|grep rendering
[02:05] <grepper> ubuntu: what radeon version is it ?
[02:05] <ubuntu> youe mean the hardware?
[02:05] <grepper> yeah
[02:06] <ubuntu> 0000:02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE] 
[02:06] <ArCHoNKoG> ubuntu, i get the same error with glx did you fix it ?
[02:06] <ubuntu> grepper, is trying to help, not solved yet
[02:10] <ArCHoNKoG> any one knows the irc port range
[02:11] <kezz> 6667 onwards usually
[02:11] <kezz> upto about 6670
[02:15] <vladster> are there additional repositiries that I can use for apt-get
[02:15] <kezz> probably
[02:15] <ArCHoNKoG> is anyone gett that error in hoary Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:15] <kezz> theres a breakmyubuntu link in the wiki
[02:15] <kezz> that lists some
[02:16] <joujou> anyone using software mixing for sound in FC3 instead of ALSA?
[02:19] <vladster> where is the faq for setting up the NVidia driver
[02:20] <ArCHoNKoG> vladster, http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[02:22] <vladster> Now if I can just get the printer working, I would be fines
[02:22] <ArCHoNKoG> how come i can't install icons it tell me about permission deined
[02:25] <ArCHoNKoG> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:25] <ArCHoNKoG> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[02:25] <ArCHoNKoG>  what does that mean anyone ?
[02:26] <siretart> ArCHoNKoG: glx is the opengl extension. You dont have 3d acceleration enabled
[02:26] <lnxduk_> how do I install ubuntu without a cd drive?
[02:26] <ArCHoNKoG> siretart, how do i enable
[02:27] <lnxduk_> I have like 3 floppy disks I can use.. how do I install ubuntu?
[02:27] <siretart> ArCHoNKoG: that depends on your card and its driver
[02:27] <ArCHoNKoG> siretart, 6800 UT
[02:27] <ArCHoNKoG> and the lastest hoary drivers
[02:27] <lnxduk_> no one knows how to do it?
[02:28] <ArCHoNKoG> lnxduk_, sorry i don't
[02:28] <jivera> lnxduk_: You might be able to install Debian and then update to Ubuntu.
[02:28] <siretart> ArCHoNKoG: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:28] <ArCHoNKoG> lnxduk_, google it
[02:28] <lnxduk_> I did
[02:29] <lnxduk_> that is a serious problem if you guys require cds...
[02:29] <lnxduk_> can I netboot it?
[02:29] <lnxduk_> I have a wireless laptop on the same network with fbsd
[02:29] <lnxduk_> that I could boot off
[02:30] <lnxduk_> basically I ran out of cd-r's
[02:30] <lnxduk_> I have a cd-rw, but it fails to load vmlinuz
[02:30] <lnxduk_> can I burn the iso on a dvd-r?
[02:31] <siretart> lnxduk_: you could try this one: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/daily-installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[02:32] <siretart> lnxduk_: or for warty, better try this one first: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/release/images/netboot/
[02:32] <benjanet> my evolution dosent forget passwords...can i fix it ?
[02:33] <lnxduk_> unfortunately
[02:33] <lnxduk_> I have no clue what to do :(
[02:33] <lnxduk_> I'm reburing to the cd-rw, I just hope that works
[02:34] <lnxduk_> is there a way to do loadlin from dos?
[02:34] <jivera> benjanet: Isn't there an option in the menus somewhere?
[02:34] <jivera> lnxduk_: What's running on the machine right now?
[02:35] <lnxduk_> windows xp
[02:35] <lnxduk_> but I can do a dos floppy boot
[02:36] <lnxduk_> actually... can I just download a tar for the root filesystem then extract it?
[02:36] <lnxduk_> I have tomsrtbt linux on floppy...
[02:36] <jivera> It has a CD-ROM, right?
[02:36] <jivera> It just fails when booting from a CD-RW?
[02:37] <lnxduk_> yes
[02:37] <lnxduk_> can I burn the iso on a dvd?\
[02:38] <jivera> Dunno, I've never used a DVD burner.
[02:38] <lnxduk_> what about a tar?
[02:38] <siretart> lnxduk_: I think that would work, but I think you should better setup a tftp server and do a network installation
[02:38] <lnxduk_> can I download a tar.gz of the root filesystem
[02:38] <lnxduk_> I don't really know how to netboot so easily
[02:38] <lnxduk_> the dhcp server is a router
[02:39] <lnxduk_> and the netboot has no options
[02:39] <lnxduk_> I netbooted a sun once, but those are great, they let your specify the ip address and image to use
[02:40] <siretart> lnxduk_: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s06.html, and the rest of the manual
[02:40] <siretart> lnxduk_: ubuntu is using debian installer, so the documentation applies mostly for ubuntu too
[02:41] <nde> hmm
[02:41] <steve__> cd /etc/sysconfig
[02:42] <nde> how can i tell what packages i have installed ?
[02:42] <benjanet> jivera, fixed, thanks
[02:42] <siretart> lnxduk_: if your network card's having problems with netbooting, create a floppy for it at http://rom-o-matic.org
[02:42] <lnxduk_> hmm ok, I'll bookmark it, I have to go try the cdrw again now.. I hope it works
[02:42] <nde> pkginfo and rpm -qa dont work ;)
[02:42] <steve__> oops, wrong window
[02:42] <siretart> steve__: obviously ;)
[02:42] <lnxduk_> siretart: ah that is a good idea, the dhcp server is a router, so it can't run tftp though
[02:43] <siretart> lnxduk_: ?
[02:43] <setite> anyone here listen to country music?
[02:43] <vladster> xmms just broke
[02:43] <vladster> 'libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:43] <vladster> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[02:43] <lnxduk_> I don't know how I would boot off a computer running tftp that is not running dhcp
[02:43] <lnxduk_> since the computer I need to boot only net boots off dhcp
[02:44] <nde> guys ?
[02:44] <steve__> Ubanto detected my centrino wireless just fine and hooked me up to the neighbors wap.  Mine doesnt broadcat its ssid, where do I need to set it?
[02:44] <setite> i think all the gurus went to bed
[02:44] <siretart> vladster: do you use the nvidia binary driver?
[02:44] <nde> can anyone what i can use instead of rpm -qa or pkginfo ?
[02:44] <crimsun> nde: dpkg?
[02:44] <setite> whats wrong with your neighbors wap
[02:44] <crimsun> nde: what are you attempting to accomplish?
[02:44] <setite> hehe sounds good to me
[02:45] <nde> i wanna see what version of gnome i have
[02:45] <nde> well
[02:45] <nde> i wanna be able to see whatever version whatever piece of software i have is :)
 dont mind using it till I figure it out but at some point I want access to my other boxen inside my net.
[02:46] <crimsun> nde: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l $package|grep ^ii|awk -F' ' '{print $3}'
[02:46] <crimsun> nde: ...or use apt-cache policy or Synaptic or aptitude or dselect or ...
[02:46] <siretart> vladster: seriously, do you use the nvidia binary driver on your machine?
[02:46] <nde> heh
[02:47] <nde> still a lot to learn
[02:47] <nde> whoever said all *nix was alike!
[02:47] <nde> ;)
[02:48] <nde> thx crimsun
[02:48] <crimsun> np
[02:50] <setite> siretart - is there any other kind of nvidia driver?
[02:50] <siretart> setite: yes, there are to: one is called nv and the other one nvidia
[02:50] <siretart> s/to/two/
[02:51] <setite> ahhh... is nv the default one not made by nvidia
[02:51] <siretart> setite: yes, nv is developed by xorg/xfree. opensource and supported by the community
[02:55] <vladster_> I tried running the open drivers and the games get way too choppy to play
[02:56] <vladster_> got sick once
[02:56] <vladster_> the binaries help me keep my lunch down
[02:58] <vladster_> is there an alternative to gnome?>
[02:59] <|rufius|> vladster_: many.... fluxbox, blackbox, kde, icewm
[02:59] <vladster_> what is a good fast alternative
[02:59] <crimsun> xfce
[02:59] <siretart> wmaker
[02:59] <crimsun> icewm
[03:00] <siretart> fluxbox
[03:01] <ArCHoNKoG> gnome > kde
[03:01] <jivera> ArCHoNKoG: Wrong.
[03:01] <jivera> Gnome >> KDE. ;-)
[03:01] <siretart> vladster_: for your xmms problem, see https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1724
[03:01] <ArCHoNKoG> ok ok
[03:06] <makhand> Hey everybody! I'm trying to install the multisync package and am having trouble with the usual ./configure, make, make install . Is something different in Ubuntu?
[03:07] <GoneBoB> did you install build-essential
[03:07] <crimsun> makhand: warty?
[03:07] <GoneBoB> that has the compiler, make, etc in it
[03:07] <El_Che> quick question: is it a known problem that you can not connect to server (mount) over sftp with nautilus (i remember the same problem in debian unstable with 2.6)
[03:07] <makhand> yes, warty
[03:07] <makhand> gonebob, was that for me?
[03:07] <GoneBoB> makhand: yes
[03:07] <makhand> no, I guess not. let me try
[03:07] <crimsun> hmm, 'multisync' is in 'hoary/universe'
[03:08] <crimsun> unfortunately not in 'warty' at all
[03:08] <crimsun> should be relatively simple to grab the source from 'hoary' and create a deb, however.
[03:09] <makhand> crimsun, i'm pretty new and wouldnt even know where to start
[03:09] <crimsun> makhand: it's up to you.
[03:10] <crimsun> I can build a deb for you if you'd like
[03:11] <makhand> wow, that would be very nice, crimsun
[03:12] <makhand> here's what i'm gettting: mak@linux:~/src/multisync $ sudo make install
[03:12] <crimsun> makhand: I'll need about 10 mins
[03:12] <makhand> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[03:12] <crimsun> makhand: did you run ./configure ?
[03:12] <makhand> yes, i did
[03:12] <makhand> and I'm trying to do the next step
[03:13] <crimsun> did ./configure finish successfully?
[03:13] <gilgamesh> back... got enigmail running, now I'm just trying to figure out why GPA doesn't allow me to search keyservers... piece of shit
[03:13] <jivera> gpa?
[03:13] <gilgamesh> GNU Privacy Assistant == gnome front-end for gpg
[03:13] <makhand> crimsun, i guess i didnt run it after i got build-essential
[03:13] <jivera> Ah.
[03:13] <crimsun> makhand :)
[03:14] <makhand> looks like I need to get some other stuff.
[03:14] <gilgamesh> It's really quite dreadful... but since gpgkeys and seahorse are worse, there really is a lack of good gui tools for key management
[03:14] <crimsun> makhand: let me know whether you want to build the package manually using ./configure && make install
[03:15] <makhand> crimsun, thank you for the offer, I'll try to build it for a while. if it doenst work, I guess i'll be needing your assistance :)
[03:15] <crimsun> makhand: ok.
[03:17] <El_Che> no nautilus gurus around?
[03:17] <Adrenal> how do i install a .deb
[03:17] <Adrenal> ?
[03:17] <jivera> Adrenal: 'sudo dpkg -i foo.deb'.
[03:17] <Adrenal> cheers
[03:17] <nde> dpkg -i pkg.deb
[03:17] <nde> im so slow :P
[03:17] <nde> need sleep
[03:21] <setite> whats dpkg...
[03:21] <setite> compared to apt-get
[03:21] <crimsun> apt-get uses dpkg
[03:21] <setite> dpkg... debian package?
[03:21] <crimsun> dpkg is the actual package manager; apt-get resolves dependencies
[03:21] <crimsun> yep
[03:21] <setite> ahhhh
[03:22] <setite> anyone using 32bit chroot or whatever its called
[03:22] <crimsun> rather, apt-get uses apt which uses dpkg.
[03:22] <setite> i think that was why opera wouldnt work when i was using fedora
[03:22] <setite> i will have my ubuntu rig next week
[03:22] <crimsun> you're on amd64?
[03:22] <setite> whenever the watercoolign comes
[03:22] <setite> i will be
[03:23] <setite> my harddrive crapped out when i was using fedora
[03:23] <setite> i didnt like fedora though
[03:23] <crimsun> yeah, unless opera provides a 32-bit version, you'll have to run it in a 32-bit chroot
[03:23] <setite> you meant 64-bit version... but yea they dont have one
[03:23] <setite> i was wondering who had 32bit chroot... because i was wondering how hard it is
[03:24] <makhand> crimsun, its asking for a libgnomeui-2.0. cant seem to locate it
[03:24] <setite> too bad ubuntu 64 doesnt install it by default
[03:24] <kleedrac> Anyone have experience with running WineX under Ubuntu?
[03:24] <crimsun> kleedrac: only cedega
[03:24] <ArCHoNKoG> kleedrac, yes
[03:24] <crimsun> kleedrac: though I ran winex under sid for ages
[03:25] <setite> sid
[03:25] <kleedrac> ArCHoNKoG, crimsun: Anything interesting I should know about
[03:25] <setite> no surround sound
[03:25] <setite> thats interesting to me
[03:25] <setite> which is why i have to dual boot
[03:25] <ArCHoNKoG> kleedrac, nope don't do in hoary just in warty
[03:25] <setite> im addicted to surround sound FPS
[03:26] <kleedrac> ArCHoNKoG: I'm only running hoary ... mebbe that's why I'm running into problems
[03:26] <setite> yup
[03:26] <ArCHoNKoG> kleedrac, yes its a headers and glibc error
[03:26] <setite> archonkog - you a whitewolf guy?
[03:26] <makhand> crimsun, its asking for a libgnomeui-2.0. cant seem to locate it
[03:26] <ArCHoNKoG> setite, whitewolf ?
[03:26] <crimsun> makhand: sorry, lemme chroot. sec.
[03:26] <setite> the pen and paper rpg
[03:26] <kleedrac> ArCHoNKoG: Any easy fix?  I don't want to downgrade back to warty if I don't have to
[03:26] <makhand> ok
[03:27] <crimsun> oh wait
[03:27] <crimsun> makhand: install 'libgnomeui-dev'
[03:27] <setite> archon is a vampire thing... i assumed thats where you got it from
[03:27] <ArCHoNKoG> kleedrac, so far no
[03:27] <kleedrac> ArCHoNKoG: I've got winex3 installed properly ... it just won't run the Diablo II installer
[03:27] <makhand> ok
[03:27] <sophacles> hi all. new to ubuntu. just want to say, nice installer y'all got
[03:27] <setite> kleedrac... try cedega cvs perhaps?
[03:28] <setite> whats cvs stand for
[03:28] <crimsun> cvs - Concurrent Versions System
[03:28] <kleedrac> setite: Concurrent Versioning System
[03:28] <kleedrac> lol
[03:28] <kleedrac> crimsun: You owe me a coke :)
[03:28] <setite> hmmm... slightly different answers
[03:28] <crimsun> kleedrac: mine obviously appeared before yours on my screen ;)
[03:28] <setite> version, versions or versioning
[03:29] <kleedrac> Mine too actually :)
[03:29] <setite> i saw crimsun first
[03:29] <zenrox> kleedrac,  on my screen first
[03:29] <setite> odd... screwy irc
[03:29] <lnxduk_> I got it to work\
[03:29] <setite> awesome
[03:29] <lnxduk_> stupid cdrw was bad
[03:29] <setite> got what to work
[03:29] <lnxduk_> used a different one
[03:29] <setite> haha
[03:29] <lnxduk_> ubuntu
[03:30] <lnxduk_> arg
[03:30] <setite> that would be a problem
[03:30] <lnxduk_> and the dvdr wouldn't allow me to burn the iso
[03:30] <setite> so lemme guess
[03:30] <lnxduk_> so I don't have x yet
[03:30] <setite> you tried several progs and all that
[03:30] <setite> to find it was bad media?
[03:30] <lnxduk_> and I'm a little pissed that it didn't let me select the packages
[03:30] <setite> wah wah
[03:30] <setite> :)
[03:30] <lnxduk_> no, only one program
[03:30] <lnxduk_> 3 tries
[03:30] <lnxduk_> at 4x burn speed
[03:31] <lnxduk_> so x isn't on it by default?
[03:31] <setite> is k3b or xcdroast or somethign as featured as the programs for windows
[03:31] <setite> is there an mp3cd burner prog that converts on the fly?
[03:31] <lnxduk_> used nero
[03:31] <setite> nero for linux?
[03:31] <lnxduk_> no, windows...
[03:31] <lnxduk_> I'm installing linux
[03:31] <setite> wtf
[03:31] <setite> ok
[03:32] <lnxduk_> yeah
[03:32] <setite> oh
[03:32] <setite> haha
[03:32] <setite> i see
[03:32] <setite> your having trouble burnin the ubuntu installer?
[03:32] <lnxduk_> I did, was a bad disk
[03:32] <setite> haha... i had that problem with fedora
[03:32] <setite> wasted five dvdrs
[03:32] <lnxduk_> it works now I'm in ubuntu now
[03:32] <lnxduk_> haha 5
[03:32] <setite> turned out my mobo was missing a resistor
[03:32] <lnxduk_> that's a lot of money
[03:32] <setite> screwed up all my ide processes
[03:32] <makhand> ok, crimsun, if you're still there and up for helping me, here's where i am now: mak@linux:~/src/multisync $ sudo make install
[03:32] <makhand> Making install in src
[03:32] <makhand> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/mak/src/multisync/src'
[03:32] <makhand> Makefile:270: *** missing separator.  Stop.
[03:32] <kleedrac> setite: That's why I always burn linux installers to RW's
[03:32] <makhand> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/mak/src/multisync/src'
[03:32] <makhand> make: *** [install-recursive]  Error 1
[03:33] <setite> kleedrac - i can never find my rws
[03:33] <setite> and i dont have any dvdrws
[03:33] <setite> if those exist
[03:33] <lnxduk_> my first rw is no good
[03:33] <lnxduk_> so x doesn't come on the cd?
[03:33] <setite> remember fedora is big as hell
[03:33] <kleedrac> setite: They exist and they're great :)
[03:33] <setite> fc364 is liek 4gigs
[03:33] <setite> whoops
[03:34] <lnxduk_> wtf
[03:34] <setite> fc3 64 is 2.5 gigs
[03:34] <lnxduk_> there are only 3 ttys?
[03:34] <setite> fc2 64 is 4gigs
[03:34] <lnxduk_> I normally have like 8
[03:34] <setite> ttys?
[03:34] <setite> tittys?
[03:34] <lnxduk_> like alt+f1 f2...
[03:34] <lnxduk_> terminals
[03:34] <setite> 2 is an odd number
[03:34] <setite> 3*
[03:34] <setite> df;sdf
[03:34] <setite> fsdf
[03:34] <lnxduk_> yes
[03:34] <setite> stupid keyboard...
[03:34] <setite> i miss my logitech
[03:34] <lnxduk_> normally there are 6 or 8
[03:34] <lnxduk_> sometimes only 4
[03:34] <setite> this damn free memorex is like 8 years old
[03:35] <lnxduk_> I thought the installer was messed up
[03:35] <setite> the backspace is a normal sized key
[03:35] <setite> sucks ass
[03:35] <lnxduk_> it didnt allow me to select packages
[03:35] <setite> oh i see
[03:35] <lnxduk_> don't even tell me about messed up keyboards
[03:35] <setite> as opposed to other distros
[03:35] <lnxduk_> they are all I have
[03:35] <lnxduk_> those damn ones that are curved
[03:35] <crimsun> makhand: would you paste the entire error on pastebin.com?
[03:36] <setite> yea i liked fedoras installer... btu that was all i liked about it
[03:36] <setite> i love ubuntu for ntfs support
[03:36] <setite> fedora developers decided to take that out
[03:36] <lnxduk_> can it write?
[03:36] <setite> f******
[03:36] <setite> i doubt it
[03:36] <setite> but it can read
[03:36] <lnxduk_> then that is no better than normal
[03:36] <setite> so i dont have to redownload my mp3s
[03:36] <lnxduk_> I could always read
[03:36] <lnxduk_> might have to insmod something
[03:36] <zenrox> lnxduk_, it tecknaly can but only limited
[03:37] <setite> see there you go
[03:37] <lnxduk_> you just add the ntfs read module
[03:37] <setite> i was just guessing
[03:37] <GoneBoB> techinically yeah
[03:37] <makhand> crimsun, I'm not familiar with pastebin. what is it?
[03:37] <zenrox> 2.6.9 kernel
[03:37] <lnxduk_> or recompile which I do anyway
[03:37] <GoneBoB> well you can only overwrite files of the same size
[03:37] <crimsun> makhand: it's a website where one pastes errors. We use it for debugging.
[03:37] <GoneBoB> you can't change the size of files or add the
[03:37] <GoneBoB> m
[03:37] <lnxduk_> I'm running 2.6.8
[03:38] <setite> why is ntfs writing such a taboo
[03:38] <zenrox> lnxduk_,  i am usingthe hoary branch
[03:38] <lnxduk_> what branch is good?
[03:38] <GoneBoB> setite: it's not a taboo it's just not supported
[03:38] <setite> cancel out the taboo word
[03:38] <zenrox> micho owns the pattit on ntfs
[03:38] <lifeless> setite: because its so easy to get wrong.
[03:38] <lnxduk_> I have warty
[03:38] <setite> its taboo for the fedora folks
[03:38] <lifeless> setite: the current code corrupts the ntfs database.
[03:38] <lnxduk_> fedora sucks
[03:38] <makhand> crimsun, so for name, who's do i put? and what exactly goes in the 'code'?
[03:38] <setite> i dont know if it sucks.. but the people in its channel do
[03:38] <crimsun> makhand: you put your own nick for name, and the code is the error.
[03:39] <lnxduk_> I can't stand it
[03:39] <lnxduk_> I like debian though
[03:39] <lnxduk_> so I figured I would try this
[03:39] <setite> i didnt like having to redownload my mp3s
[03:39] <lnxduk_> so use fat32
[03:39] <setite> why
[03:39] <setite> ubuntu reads ntfs
[03:39] <setite> no need
[03:39] <lifeless> http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/status.html
[03:39] <lnxduk_> well any distro can
[03:39] <zenrox> http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ <check this out
[03:39] <setite> and having to figure out how to use yum just to get xmms-mp3
[03:39] <nde> windows must die :P
[03:39] <lifeless> setite: also NT can read ext3
[03:40] <setite> lnx - can but dont
[03:40] <lnxduk_> they can though...
[03:40] <lnxduk_> I did it on redhat 8
[03:40] <setite> but they dont
[03:40] <lifeless> http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm
[03:40] <setite> see i like when the developers make smart choices
[03:40] <setite> the less i have to do to get started the better
[03:40] <makhand> crimsun, i pasted and pushed send, now what?
[03:40] <lnxduk_> it's not like you can't recompile the kernel with ntfs read support though
[03:41] <setite> you seem to forget... some people dont get a thrill out of havign to make it all work themselves
[03:41] <setite> i like things to just work whenever possible
[03:41] <lnxduk_> my monitor can do 800x600 at 60hz
[03:41] <lnxduk_> that is its best
[03:41] <setite> wow
[03:41] <crimsun> makhand: let me look over it.
[03:41] <lnxduk_> it's 14in
[03:41] <lnxduk_> but the picture is only 11
[03:41] <setite> the livecd made me stick to 640x480 at 100hz
[03:42] <setite> i couldnt even see the whole synaptic window
[03:42] <zenrox> biger montors help
[03:42] <crimsun> makhand: the first thing I recommend you do is `rm -rf ~/src/multisync'
[03:42] <lnxduk_> I have dual 17" at school though
[03:42] <setite> my monitor is fine... livecd cant handle this shitty emachines onboard graphics
[03:42] <zenrox> setite,  did fine with mine
[03:42] <setite> suse livecd was fine
[03:42] <crimsun> makhand: you might have to `sudo rm -rf ~mak/src/multisync'
[03:42] <setite> well zenrox... your lucky
[03:42] <setite> i couldnt
[03:42] <zenrox> emachine d2040
[03:43] <occy> nomasteryoda, w00p, excited about using your lappie to get my lappie working with ubuntu :)
[03:43] <setite> t2682
[03:43] <zenrox> i846gl mobo made buy FIC
[03:43] <crimsun> makhand: then untar the source again, run `./configure', and `make' as normal user instead of under sudo
[03:43] <setite> all i knwo is i have intel extreme graphics
[03:43] <lnxduk_> I was on a 120mhz computer before I got this one though...
[03:43] <lnxduk_> at least the computer is fast
[03:43] <crimsun> sup occy, how was New Year's?
[03:43] <makhand> ok
[03:43] <occy> crimsun, heyaz bud.  It was pretty good.  We played a private party.
[03:43] <zenrox> setite,  the live cd makes it use drive i810
[03:43] <occy> crimsun, our band that is.
[03:44] <crimsun> occy: cool :)
[03:44] <zenrox> thats why
[03:44] <occy> My throat is dead now though :(
[03:44] <occy> sang too much
[03:44] <crimsun> all in the name of celebration :)
[03:44] <occy> hehe
[03:44] <zenrox> sweet
[03:44] <setite> i819?
[03:44] <setite> i810*
[03:44] <setite> drive?
[03:44] <zenrox> i810
[03:44] <briareus> hey all, i have a problem in ubuntu. sudo apt-get install anything prompts me for password, user password. I am not in a root terminal. thoughts?
[03:44] <setite> do you mean driver
[03:44] <occy> crimsun, nomasteryoda <-- lives near me and has the same laptop.  Going to either swap hard drives for an install, or use his cd.
[03:44] <zenrox> yep
[03:44] <lnxduk_> ooh got x working got to go
[03:45] <crimsun> occy: excellent :)
[03:45] <setite> yea well mine just says something abotu vesa when starting
[03:45] <xed_work> Hello!  I am requiring assitance installint Ubuntu!
[03:45] <setite> and it finds all the proper modes
[03:45] <xed_work> the Live CD works fine on my laptop
[03:45] <occy> yeah, I'm bummed about the cd... but happy to have an option to get it working.
[03:45] <setite> it just boots to 640x480 and wont let me switch
[03:45] <xed_work> now I wish to install it.
[03:45] <xed_work> ANy help sirs?
[03:46] <occy> crimsun, does apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade keep your kernel up-to-date.... or do you have to manually do that?
[03:46] <setite> can livecd be used to install?
[03:46] <zenrox> setite,  for me it find my montor and i845gl vid card (i845g/gl) and only gives me 1186x700something
[03:46] <setite> i was under the impression that the ubuntu livecd doesnt have that option
[03:46] <setite> however i know very little
[03:46] <setite>  Intel 845GV is what i have
[03:46] <crimsun> occy: update & upgrade will do fine
[03:46] <crimsun> occy: you're running warty, correct?
[03:46] <setite> so mine should work damnit
[03:47] <occy> crimsun, ahh ok.
[03:47] <occy> crimsun, yah... I should probably stick with it instead of hoary.
[03:47] <setite> well it doesnt
[03:47] <zenrox> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1993.016 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 190/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.86G Free: 29.71G Procs: 80 Uptime: 1 day 21 hrs 1 min 26 secs Load: 1.02 1.42 1.83  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 3.75G Out: 408.16M
[03:47] <setite> thats all i know
[03:47] <setite> so im stuck on windwos until i can get my other rig working
[03:47] <makhand> crimsun, i have a new error output in pastebin
[03:47] <xed_work> has anyone installed Ubuntu on to their hardrive somehow?   This is for a laptop
[03:47] <occy> crimsun, or do you feel it might be stable enough?
[03:47] <occy> I had an idea for debian a long time ago...
[03:47] <xed_work> has anyone installed Ubuntu on to their hardrive somehow?   This is for a laptop
[03:47] <setite> yea keep showing off
[03:48] <occy> There should be a web page... that gives you a "Green LIght" or "Red Light" or "Yellow Light"  for apt-get dist-upgrade with unstable.
[03:48] <setite> i understand that it worked for you... but im tellign you that it doesnt for me
[03:48] <crimsun> occy: not quite stable enough yet
[03:48] <crimsun> occy: it tends to be even more bleeding-edge than sid+experimental, which is impressive
[03:48] <occy> crimsun, the cool thing would be... You could have people do voting to say how they feel things are working for them at present.
[03:48] <setite> perhaps there is a command i can boot with that will work better... perhaps force it into another mode.... but i wouldnt know it
[03:48] <briareus> does ubuntu have a default root password? it never prompted me for one during install, only for user name and user password.
[03:48] <occy> crimsun, hehe
[03:48] <crimsun> briareus: no. It uses `sudo' by default.
[03:48] <occy> crimsun, did that make sense?
[03:49] <briareus> crimsun, so there is no going root?
[03:49] <crimsun> occy: sure.
[03:49] <setite> sudo is root
[03:49] <occy> briareus, sudo su -
[03:49] <occy> briareus, and you can get full root access
[03:49] <briareus> ok
[03:49] <setite> wtf
[03:49] <crimsun> briareus: sudo -s, passwd foo, exit, su
[03:49] <setite> now im confuzzled
[03:49] <setite> ah well what else is new
[03:50] <occy> yeah, I like how ubuntu does that... I've not logged in as root in ages on a box anyway.
[03:50] <xed_work> Is there any particular reason for the lack of operators in this channel?
[03:50] <maikhai> tui ne! Go bang tieng Vietnam thu coi!
[03:50] <occy> probably been 7 years or more.
[03:50] <lifeless> most of the ops will only put on ops when they need it
[03:50] <Verr-> anyone can help`
[03:50] <xed_work> Okay, good.
[03:50] <Verr-> My windows is CRAP
[03:50] <xed_work> Can someone help me with my issue then?
[03:50] <Verr-> HOw i can fromat the driveP
[03:50] <Verr-> 
[03:51] <Verr-> ?
[03:51] <setite> mine is actually been runnign quite well
[03:51] <occy> xed_work, they are "here". :)
[03:51] <xed_work> I can't seem to install fromt he Install CD.
[03:51] <kleedrac> Verr: Windows is crap ... you're right
[03:51] <Verr-> Noticed it again.. :/
[03:51] <setite> i foudn out that i had installed a subseven trojan on it and forgot to remove it
[03:51] <occy> no need to wear @'s
[03:51] <maikhai> Im running Ubuntu HDD installed
[03:51] <ArCHoNKoG> kleedrac, super super CRAP
[03:51] <Verr-> So how to format
[03:51] <setite> i used it before i figured out the built in SMB sharing
[03:51] <occy> people who typically have to have an @ on irc are after power for some silly reason.
[03:51] <kleedrac> Verr: What are you replacing it with?
[03:51] <Verr-> Theres ubuntu installed
[03:51] <lifeless> _power_ mmmmm
[03:51] <occy> lifeless, heh
[03:52] <Verr-> But the crappy windows lost it
[03:52] <Verr-> cant use it now :/
[03:52] <kleedrac> And you want to kill windows and go straight Ubuntu?
[03:52] <Verr-> Yeh
[03:52] <xed_work> Whenever I try to install it onto my laptop (Toshiba Satellite A70), it gets to a point where the screen goes blank.. nothing...
[03:52] <xed_work> Whenever I try to install it onto my laptop (Toshiba Satellite A70), it gets to a point where the screen goes blank.. nothing...
[03:52] <cavediver> so now is Ubuntu installed. Seems fine.
[03:52] <setite> verr.... fdisk perhaps?
[03:52] <lifeless> xed_work: perhaps you could describe your symptoms, so that folk can help.
[03:52] <Verr-> fdisk?
[03:52] <kleedrac> Verr: re-install and tell Ubuntu to take the whole hard drive
[03:52] <occy> crimsun, ubuntu has me feeling like I'm back in the Linux community again. :)
[03:52] <setite> oh you mean that grub lost it?
[03:52] <xed_work> lifeless: I just did that, should I type it in again...?
[03:52] <Verr-> So no any other ways to format c: ?
[03:52] <cavediver> However. I can't find midnight commander. Is it not availible?
[03:52] <setite> occy?
[03:53] <setite> how so
[03:53] <Verr-> My boot doesnt use grub anymore :/
[03:53] <occy> setite, sorry?
[03:53] <lifeless> xed_work: no, that crossed on the wire.
[03:53] <kleedrac> Verr: Sure you can boot from a windows boot disk and fdisk the windows partition to oblivion
[03:53] <Verr-> windws outted its own boot sys there
[03:53] <xed_work> lifeless: What does that mean?
[03:53] <setite> verr- just like that... it stopped starting via grub
[03:53] <crimsun> occy: are you familiar with apt-listbugs(1) ?
[03:53] <nomasteryoda> occy, hey ya
[03:53] <xed_work> lifeless: 'crossed on the wire' what does that exactly mean?
[03:53] <Verr-> :/
[03:53] <setite> haha damn windows
[03:53] <occy> crimsun, I reckon not buddy.
[03:53] <setite> its taking over!!!!
[03:53] <occy> nomasteryoda, ;)
[03:53] <lifeless> xed_work: what is the last screen you see before it goes blank ?
[03:53] <Verr-> yeah. :D
[03:53] <Verr-> Greedy winXP
[03:53] <setite> hmmm well can you just pop the ubuntu installer back it...
[03:53] <setite> in*
[03:53] <Verr-> Wants to be the only one
[03:53] <lifeless> xed_work: and if you press the CTRL key, does it stop being blank ?
[03:54] <crimsun> occy: it does something in the vein of what you seek for upgrades
[03:54] <setite> perhaps a rescue would fix grub?
[03:54] <occy> crimsun, ahhh
[03:54] <Verr-> grub is okay
[03:54] <crimsun> occy: highly, highly recommended in addition to apt-listchanges(8)
[03:54] <setite> it is?
[03:54] <setite> i thought you said it was gone
[03:54] <crimsun> err, apt-listchanges(1)
[03:54] <xed_work> lifeless: I press the CTRL key nothing happens.  Prior to this blank screen, is the BOOT menu.  I just press enter and it echos some stuff...then it goes blank.
[03:54] <lifeless> xed_work: 'cross on the wire' - IRC lets me type something and hit enter, before you I see what you had already typed
[03:54] <occy> crimsun what does the (1) signify?
[03:54] <xed_work> Look above.
[03:54] <lifeless> xed_work: so its after the reboot ?
[03:54] <Verr-> its replaced by windows own.. :/
[03:54] <Verr-> So i cant choose linux
[03:54] <setite> so grub isnt working
[03:54] <xed_work> lifeless: Yes, after the reboot, the CD is activated and the Ubuntu splash screen appears.
[03:55] <crimsun> occy: I just use it to denote what type of program it is; sometimes I use it to denote a man page.
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> Verr-, there is a way
[03:55] <Verr-> cd is somewhere in my room :/
[03:55] <occy> crimsun, ahhh, nice.
[03:55] <xed_work> lifeless: I press the enter key, I see some stuff and then the screen goes blank.  I am on a laptop, btw.
[03:55] <occy> crimsun, figured that was what you were hinting at ;)
[03:55] <lifeless> xed_work: what is the stuff you see ?
[03:55] <setite> nomasteryoda - you take it.. hehe i have no idea what to do... i still havent been able to use ubuntu so i dont know what its installer can do
[03:56] <xed_work> lifeless: Like, loading balh blah .z stuff, I can't really remember, it scrolls by fast.
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:56] <xed_work> lifeless: But when I hit CTRL + ALT + DEL, it restarts.
[03:56] <setite> i know that fedora could, in such a case, fix the MBT or whatever that thing is... so that GRUB could regain control
[03:56] <lifeless> xed_work: what happens if you hit CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE ?
[03:56] <kleedrac> setite: MBR and I don't recommend Fedora anymore :)
[03:56] <xed_work> lifeless: Also note that the Live CD boots and runs fine.
[03:56] <setite> MBR yea thats it
[03:56] <setite> i dont recommend fedora either
[03:56] <Verr-> Gaah
[03:57] <Verr-> Cant find cd :/
[03:57] <xed_work> lifeless: NOthing happens...
[03:57] <setite> it had a really nice installer... but thats where it ended
[03:57] <xed_work> lifeless: ...when I press CTRL + ALT + BACKSPACE
[03:57] <setite> hmmmm well there are windows progs that might work
[03:57] <Verr-> Internet doesnt work with winxp :/
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> Verr-, let me understand the problem
[03:57] <setite> lemme see if one of the progs i have can fix the MBR
[03:57] <Quest-Master> I'd be willing to do the graphics if the developers began to do a graphical installer similar to SuSE or Mandrake's.
[03:57] <Verr-> So i want format my c:
[03:57] <Quest-Master> I must say-- a distribution is almost ALWAYS judged by how the installer works/looks.
[03:57] <xed_work> Verr-: you are THE man.
[03:57] <Verr-> But windows is in it and doesnt let me do that
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> Verr-, did you install winxp after ubuntu>
[03:58] <Verr-> Yeah
[03:58] <Quest-Master> Ubuntu's gets lots of points since it works awesomely.
[03:58] <lifeless> xed_work: ok, I'm not sure whats up here, maybe someone else can help more.. sorry.
[03:58] <Quest-Master> :)
[03:58] <setite> verr... right click the a: drive with a floppy in it
[03:58] <nomasteryoda> Verr-, so the windows drive is NTFS?
[03:58] <nomasteryoda> by default
[03:58] <Verr-> yeah
[03:58] <setite> and format it selected the boot disk feature
[03:58] <xed_work> lifeless: Do you know of any compatability issue with any laptops?
[03:58] <nomasteryoda> 2 partitions?
[03:58] <setite> i believe with that you can format the drive... btu you would still
[03:59] <setite> you want to format
[03:59] <setite> that wouldnt fix the problem though right
[03:59] <Verr-> That would
[03:59] <Verr-> It would boot with grub again and tada
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> Verr-, if you have them both, wait
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> that would work.. but you can use winxp boot loader
[03:59] <lifeless> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[03:59] <Verr-> boot loader?
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> looking for the link
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:59] <setite> yea...
[04:00] <setite> i want to use the damn ubuntu livecd
[04:00] <setite> now im thinking abotu it again im kinda mad
[04:00] <xed_work> setite: You can order it for free, that's what i did.
[04:00] <setite> order what for free
[04:00] <Verr-> so where can i use bootloader?
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> k
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> here
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> http://mgalug.org/blog/2?from=30
[04:01] <setite> i have the ubuntu installer on a cd... and the livecd... but i cant install ubuntu on this pc as i dont own it...
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> Not ubuntu, but it works
[04:01] <lifeless> xed_work: ^^that wiki page lists compatability with toshibas
[04:01] <setite> there is a lug here in vegas
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> http://jaeger.morpheus.net/linux/ntldr.php
[04:01] <setite> but it looks like a bunch of 50 year old white guys
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> Verr-, I have done this .. that is my blog
[04:01] <setite> no offense but thats not my scene
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> setite, lol
[04:02] <Verr-> nomasteryoda ?
[04:02] <nomasteryoda> Verr-, yea
[04:02] <Verr-> Cant anyone tell how to format my windows :/
[04:02] <Verr-> shouldnt be that hard
[04:02] <setite> any bootloader would work right
[04:02] <Verr-> yeah
[04:02] <nomasteryoda> Verr-, do you have the Ultimate Boot CD?
[04:02] <setite> does ubuntu start as slow as fedora
[04:02] <nomasteryoda> no
[04:02] <lifeless> Verr-: the ubuntu install will wipe windows by default
[04:02] <setite> see i love linux... but that shit took forever to load
[04:03] <setite> like 10 times longer than windows
[04:03] <xed_work> lifeless: Thanks, I got it =)
[04:03] <setite> literally
[04:03] <Verr-> I hjavent the cd again...
[04:03] <lifeless> Verr-: ah.
[04:03] <JoePenguin> setite: windows still takes time to load after the GUI comes up
[04:03] <lifeless> Verr-: are you running ubuntu ?
[04:03] <briareus> whats the command to restart the network in ubuntu?
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> Verr-, if yo setup the bootloader like Jaeger says...
[04:03] <Verr-> bootloader?
[04:03] <setite> well it may still be loading but at least i can get on and start chatting and surfing the web
[04:04] <Verr-> Where do i use it?
[04:04] <setite> on this pc it takes forever to load
[04:04] <setite> but my other rig it was like 30 seconds
[04:04] <briareus> hello - whats the command to restart the network in ubuntu?
[04:04] <Verr-> i just need advice where to get partitionprogram or console to write format c:
[04:05] <crimsun> briareus: invoke-rc.d networking restart
[04:05] <setite> verr- why do you want to format
[04:05] <nomasteryoda> Verr-, look at the bottom section of Jaeger's site
[04:05] <setite> are you trying to get rid of windows?
[04:05] <Verr-> yeah
[04:05] <setite> oh!
[04:05] <setite> well shit i didnt know that
[04:05] <Verr-> I reinstall it after some hard thinking
[04:05] <nomasteryoda> auh, man we though you wanted to keep it as dual boot
[04:05] <setite> yea
[04:05] <nomasteryoda> excellent
[04:05] <Verr-> Not this time
[04:05] <setite> thats what i thought
[04:06] <nomasteryoda> so you have Ubuntu disk
[04:06] <Verr-> This is pirate windows
[04:06] <Verr-> no i still havent :/
[04:06] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:06] <nomasteryoda> you mean demo
[04:06] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[04:06] <setite> verr - i havent owned windows since win95
[04:06] <setite> not legally i mean
[04:06] <nomasteryoda> i just found win98 with key in dumpster tonight
[04:06] <Verr-> My original win lost when i "started trying to do partitions"
[04:06] <setite> i believe that anything that i HAVE to use should be free
[04:06] <Verr-> I have still product key.
[04:07] <setite> hmmmm lemem see if i can create a partition magic floppy for you
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> Verr-, yes... Ubuntu will wipe it out for you
[04:07] <Verr-> But...
[04:07] <setite> oh yea the installer can do it
[04:07] <Verr-> i havent the CD!
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> Verr-, you can download Ultimate BootCD
[04:07] <setite> then your fucked anyway
[04:07] <Verr-> Can realize?
[04:07] <Verr-> And havent internet
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[04:07] <Verr-> ...
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> crap
[04:07] <Verr-> This windows sucks!
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> where are you man?
[04:08] <Verr-> I scratch it from my HD with NAILS!
[04:08] <Verr-> at home
[04:08] <setite> hehe i mean if you format the first partition i dont know if DOS can find ubuntu on the second partition
[04:08] <Verr-> It can
[04:08] <Verr-> If not then i search for the cd
[04:08] <Verr-> its somewhere here
[04:08] <setite> thats what id suggest
[04:09] <Verr-> so no other ways to format C:?
[04:09] <setite> well yea
[04:09] <setite> you can get a bootable floppy that can format
[04:09] <drspin> I can't login!
[04:09] <Verr-> :/
[04:09] <drspin> something about.Xiceauthority or something like that :/ what do I do?
[04:09] <setite> hmmmm....
[04:10] <setite> i have a warez proggie i found yesterday for a buddy to install ubuntu
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> Verr-, you need discs man
[04:10] <crimsun> drspin: have you rebooted?
[04:10] <setite> he used it to partition
[04:10] <Verr-> :D
[04:10] <setite> it has a thing for modifying the MBR
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> setite, no warz man
[04:10] <setite> shit nvm i have partition magic
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> Ultimate Boot CD will allow him to wipe the drive
[04:10] <setite> hey man when you need something to format you do what you have to
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> then reinstall
[04:10] <setite> but how does he get that
[04:10] <spikeb> i have this system rescue cd :)
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> well, find a friend who can download it
[04:11] <IBOIC> hiya
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> less than 50mb
[04:11] <IBOIC> any of u familiar with pgp or gnupg?
[04:11] <Verr-> Crap
[04:11] <crimsun> IBOIC: yes. What do you need?
[04:11] <Verr-> Where the heck did i put it :/
[04:11] <IBOIC> crimsun:  does gnupg work fine with ubuntu and is it available in apt-get ?
[04:11] <IBOIC> i take it, it may be in the universe packages?
[04:11] <lifeless> IBOIC: yes and yes
[04:12] <crimsun> IBOIC: it's in 'main'
[04:12] <IBOIC> ok great :) will get hoary when its in final :)
[04:12] <setite> imma see if i can create a partitionmagic floppy
[04:12] <IBOIC> i have warty but it doesnt work so i use windows xp for the time being
[04:12] <IBOIC> anyways
[04:12] <jivera> IBOIC: What do you need encryption for?
[04:12] <crimsun> *** 1.2.4-4ubuntu2 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages
[04:12] <setite> man i think im just gonna clear some space and install ubuntu on this rig
[04:12] <setite> im tired of waiting
[04:12] <drspin> could someone help me, I can't login to Gnome!!
[04:13] <Verr-> Crap i remember how i said to bro : "this is important CD dun touch this"
[04:13] <setite> how many gigs should i clear for it
[04:13] <Verr-> And put it to somewhere -.-
[04:13] <Verr-> CRAP
[04:13] <crimsun> drspin: you never answered my question.
[04:13] <drspin> crimsun: sorry - what was the question?
[04:13] <setite> can you really spin doctor?
[04:13] <crimsun> drspin: have you rebooted?
[04:14] <setite> anyone... how many gigs should i clear for ubuntu
[04:14] <drspin> crimsun: I just did reboot and I got this message when I tried to login (#flood please)
[04:14] <Verr-> do i really have to re download the whole OS :/
[04:15] <drspin> setite: wipe the whole thing and just use Ubuntu!! :) LOL
[04:15] <Verr-> ubuntu doesnt support flash mx :/
[04:15] <setite> drspin its not my computer... cant do that
[04:16] <crimsun> drspin: does the file exist? if so, is it readable and writeable by your user?
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> Verr-, you mean Macromedia Flash MX?
[04:16] <Verr-> yeah
[04:16] <setite> its my dads... and he is paranoid... i cant even reinstall windows to regain a little speed
[04:16] <drspin> Verr:  yes it does
[04:16] <Verr-> haha lol doesnt
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> Verr-, i have loaded it with Crossover office if you mean for editing
[04:16] <Verr-> You can do flash movies with linux? o_O?
[04:16] <drspin> crimsun: the file does not exist... isn't .ICEauthority a lock file of somekind?
[04:16] <setite> verr- imma create a partitionmagic rescue disk
[04:17] <setite> i think it can format
[04:17] <briareus> OK ubuntu users whats the deal with this:  shutdown -h now   ... you must be root to do that!!!  sudo shutdown -h now  .. Password:    ...THATS RETARDED, defeats the entire purpose of sudo
[04:17] <Verr-> -.-
[04:17] <setite> but i still suggest finding or downloading ubuntu
[04:17] <setite> so you can clean the whole thing and reinstall
[04:17] <briareus> WHY do i have to enter mypassowrd ofr every system command when its supposedly FREEING me from having to do that, its ridiculous
[04:17] <Verr-> Why to reinstall
[04:17] <Verr-> I have configured it a lot
[04:17] <setite> i dunno... i just like having my main os at the start of the drive
[04:18] <Verr-> gaah
[04:18] <Verr-> can i do boot floppy?
[04:18] <drspin> Crimsun: correction, the file exists... it's readable and writedable by root only
[04:18] <jivera> briareus: How do you figure that defeats the purpose of sudo?
[04:19] <crimsun> drspin: that's the source of the problem.
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> briareus, just open a Root Terminal
[04:19] <jivera> And why don't you think you should need to be root to shut down?
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> briareus, then just do it once
[04:19] <setite> ??
[04:19] <briareus> jivera, if it prompts me for password at EVERY system command, then i am entering my password MORE
[04:19] <drspin> crimsun: sudo chmod 0660 ?
[04:19] <setite> boot floppy?
[04:19] <setite> to get into linux
[04:19] <setite> or to format
[04:19] <crimsun> drspin: no, just erase it.
[04:19] <jivera> briareus: Who ever said the point of sudo was to enter your password less often?
[04:19] <briareus> well, then whats the point
[04:19] <setite> like i said im making a bootable floppy from partition magic... i think you can use it to format your C
[04:19] <jivera> Also, it should only ask for it if you haven't entered it in the past 5 minutes.
[04:19] <setite> with the command "format c:"
[04:20] <setite> but im not sure
[04:20] <jivera> briareus: The point is it eliminates the need for a root account, and allows more fine grained root permissions.
[04:20] <jivera> If you don't like it, use 'sudo -s' to get a root shell.
[04:20] <nomasteryoda> briareus, if you use the Root Terminal, then you just do it once
[04:20] <nicedreams> sudo -s is the bomb
[04:20] <briareus> jivera, so that means i have to go through and take every system command i can ever think of and add it to visudo? thats ridiculous
[04:20] <nicedreams> i don't like sudo too much
[04:20] <Verr-> youre making?
[04:20] <IBOIC> ubuntu comes standard with evolution for email right?
[04:20] <Verr-> what?
[04:20] <IBOIC> i fergot already
[04:20] <jivera> briareus: Get over it.
[04:20] <briareus> nomasteryoda, yeah i suppose
[04:20] <lifeless> briareus: have you used ubuntu?
[04:20] <jivera> IBOIC: Yes.
[04:21] <briareus> jivera, i will, i will uninstall this crapper and go straight debian
[04:21] <briareus> lifeless, yeah i think ists wasting space on my laptop at the moment
[04:21] <drspin> crimsun: thanks :) all logged in now ;)
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> lifeless, it is a pure pain in the arse to have to enter sudo each and every time for a coomand
[04:21] <jivera> briareus: If something as small as using sudo by default makes you not like the OS, you'll never be happy.
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> i agree
[04:21] <lifeless> briareus: the sudo setup allows you to use all the commands.
[04:21] <lifeless> nomasteryoda: 'sudo bash'
[04:21] <drspin> crimsun: why didn't it get removed when Irestarted?
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> that is y i use the root terminal
[04:22] <jivera> You sudo-haters are all so winey.
[04:22] <jivera> 'alias su="sudo -s"'
[04:22] <setite> i love sudo
[04:22] <setite> root sounds so oldschool
[04:22] <spikeb> you missed the java troll earlier
[04:22] <jivera> That's different, java really does suck. ;)
[04:22] <briareus> yeah, cuz its so fun to type password for everything, Im whiney. OK, I'll whine my ass away from ubuntu. :) thanks and have a great night :)
[04:22] <setite> verr im looking into how you can format c from a floppy disk
[04:22] <Verr-> :S
[04:23] <spikeb> jivera, no it was another "java should be included and who cares about OSS" troll
[04:23] <crimsun> drspin: because it can't?
[04:23] <jivera> spikeb: Oh.
[04:23] <crimsun> drspin: your user has no permission to modify root-owned files
[04:23] <jivera> Yeah, that's bogus.
[04:23] <drspin> crimsun... hmmm - K
[04:23] <drspin> crimsun: Thanks for the help!
[04:23] <setite> ok verr
[04:23] <setite> try this
[04:23] <setite> put a floppy in your drive
[04:23] <setite> open my computer
[04:23] <spikeb> i think a plugin should be included -but first, we need a working OSS jre :)
[04:24] <IBOIC> my windows froze
[04:24] <IBOIC> weird
[04:24] <Verr-> to which computer?
[04:24] <IBOIC> well not weird, its windows :)
[04:24] <Verr-> wroking or not working?
[04:24] <jivera> IBOIC: Actually, that sounds pretty common.
[04:24] <drspin> IBOIC: it's Windows ;)
[04:24] <IBOIC> cant wait for hoary
[04:24] <setite> huh?
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> setite, verr doesn't have the ubuntu media...or the windows media
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> right?
[04:24] <setite> just some windows pc
[04:24] <Verr-> okay
[04:24] <setite> well he has ubuntu and windows on a pc
[04:24] <crimsun> drspin: np
[04:24] <IBOIC> any ubuntu gurus here who can help me custom my system with remote access? :)
[04:24] <setite> and from what i gather he can get into windows... but not ubuntu
[04:25] <Verr-> wait
[04:25] <setite> and he wants to format c and get into ubuntu
[04:25] <IBOIC> yummy, 5 hacker volunteers :)
[04:25] <IBOIC> hehe
[04:25] <Verr-> this laptop hasnt floppy disk? :D
[04:25] <setite> wtf
[04:25] <drspin> setite: tell him to use the liveCD
[04:25] <setite> damnit
[04:25] <setite> i dont think he has the means ot download a livecd
[04:25] <IBOIC> setite:  Can i mail him one?
[04:25] <IBOIC> FREE
[04:25] <setite> either he's on dialup or hes lazy
[04:25] <jivera> I would like to see Ubuntu with packages to more easily install java, flash, etc. (like I think I heard SuSE did once), but I'd still like emphasis to be put on F/OSS alternatives.
[04:25] <IBOIC> setite:  you can get free cd's directly from ubuntu
[04:25] <Verr-> :D
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> setite, open separate dialog for verr man
[04:25] <IBOIC> if they arent ill ship you one for free
[04:26] <setite> he said he didnt have internet earlier so i wasnt sure
[04:26] <IBOIC> if they stopped it
[04:26] <spikeb> sure you can mail him one
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> to cut the side chatter
[04:26] <setite> yoda?
[04:26] <Verr-> I have with laptop
[04:26] <setite> oh ok
[04:26] <Verr-> But the ubuntu/linux comp hasnt
[04:26] <setite> i skipped the word seperate
[04:26] <spikeb> heh
[04:26] <setite> IBOIC - that takes like 10 years
[04:26] <Verr-> okay theres now floppy
[04:26] <spikeb> IBOIC, you're more than welcome to send him a cd or ten :)
[04:26] <drspin> jivera: the problem is not Ubuntu or Linux in general -- the views about software, from the Governement's perspective, suck ass --
[04:27] <setite> ok well in my computer right-click A: and click format
[04:27] <jivera> drspin: Huh?
[04:27] <Verr-> yeah.
[04:27] <sophacles> so how do i get multiheaded working in ubuntu?
[04:27] <spikeb>  yeah
[04:27] <Verr-> Takes time
[04:27] <Verr-> this is not in so good condition
[04:27] <setite> select create ms-dos startup disk
[04:27] <spikeb> jivera, the paid version of mandrake also includes all that stuff
[04:27] <setite> andformat
[04:27] <miggumike> does yaboot have an option for a loader screen?
[04:27] <mjr> sophacles, google for xinerama-howto
[04:27] <jivera> spikeb: Does it include the flash/java packages themselves, or just the auto-downloader/installer?
[04:27] <Verr-> ...
[04:27] <spikeb> jivera, includes the packages themselves i believe.
[04:28] <drspin> jivera: I'm referring to your interest in seeing ... java, mp3, divX... more easially installed..
[04:28] <Verr-> nomasteryoda
[04:28] <jivera> drspin: I didn't say anything about mp3 or divx.
[04:28] <Verr-> so can you do flash movies with linux huh?
[04:28] <spikeb> drspin, java and flash are merely a problem of not having a mature OSS version :)
[04:28] <jivera> Verr-: You can watch them.
[04:28] <spikeb> flash is in multiverse btw
[04:28] <Verr-> i know
[04:28] <drspin> when I installed suse 8 it had JAVA, Flash, Mp3, DivX packages :)
[04:28] <sophacles> mjr do you know which repository xinerama is in?
[04:28] <drspin> that was convenient
[04:28] <spikeb> i have suse 8.2 pro, it has all that
[04:28] <Verr-> But he said something like you could do them as well
[04:28] <drspin> Verr: yes... hang ong
[04:29] <Verr-> setite
[04:29] <Verr-> done...
[04:29] <spikeb> there IS a free flash project - swfdec
[04:29] <spikeb> help them out
[04:29] <spikeb> IIRC, flash is a documented format
[04:29] <setite> ok afaik... with that disk you can boot to a dos prompt
[04:29] <setite> and type
[04:29] <drspin> Verr-: http://www.codeweavers.com/site/products/cxoffice/
[04:29] <setite> "format c:"
[04:29] <jivera> spikeb: Is it?
[04:29] <Verr-> okay setite
[04:29] <setite> but like i said i dont know how you will get to linux from ther
[04:29] <Verr-> Thx a lot!
[04:30] <setite> does the MBR fix itself
[04:30] <Verr-> Then i do another ubuntu cd
[04:30] <setite> huh?
[04:30] <drspin> Xover Office will run Flash MX -- almost perfectly...
[04:30] <spikeb> jivera, yes, but i'm not sure what the latest documented version is - might be the latest release, might not
[04:30] <setite> now your losing me
[04:30] <Verr-> just takes time :/
[04:30] <setite> you on broadband or dialup
[04:30] <Verr-> broadband
[04:30] <setite> then just download it
[04:30] <setite> get flashget
[04:30] <setite> itll take 20mins
[04:30] <kleedrac> Anyone ever get a "wine client perror:3: sendmsg: Bad file descriptor" error from cedega?
[04:31] <Verr-> The ubuntu install?
[04:31] <setite> yea
[04:31] <Verr-> its 500 mb!
[04:31] <setite> so
[04:31] <Verr-> Takes like 4 hours
[04:31] <drspin> kleedrac: I use cvscedega and no ;)
[04:31] <jivera> spikeb: Ah, I think I found it...
[04:31] <setite> flashget can get you 500k or more
[04:31] <Verr-> in finland...
[04:31] <nomasteryoda> yes
[04:31] <spikeb> jivera, http://www.schleef.org/swfdec/ is the project im talkin about :)
[04:31] <setite> it opens several connections
[04:31] <setite> so instead of one at like 80k
[04:31] <setite> you can open like 8 and get around 500k
[04:31] <Verr-> wht?
[04:31] <setite> it will cut the time down
[04:31] <setite> ok download flashget
[04:31] <Verr-> Isnt possble in finland man
[04:32] <spikeb> what?
[04:32] <setite> if you have broadband you cna use flashget to cut the time down
[04:32] <spikeb> scandanavia is supposed to have l33t bandwidth
[04:32] <joujou> omg somebody help me setup gxmame for one game!
[04:32] <Verr-> when you open 2 downloads the speed drops
[04:32] <setite> nope
[04:32] <setite> its different
[04:32] <setite> its like p2p
[04:32] <regeya> ohboy
[04:32] <setite> it opens several connections and downloads the file in parts
[04:32] <nomasteryoda> Verr-, i download from Finland or from another Netherlands country and get 500+ on Getright or flashget
[04:33] <spikeb> Verr-, if you open different downloads of different segments at the same time, the end result is faster
[04:33] <regeya> gxmame, first pry the ROMs out of your console.
[04:33] <spikeb> Verr-, that's what things like flashget do
[04:33] <setite> so even though each download slows down the combined speed is fast as hell
[04:33] <regeya> joujou, first pry the ROMs out of your console.
[04:33] <setite> verr - just believe me ok
[04:33] <Verr-> Disk 1/0 error replace the disk and then press any key... :/
[04:33] <setite> get flashget or getright
[04:33] <vladster_> did they come up with a fix for that bug?
[04:33] <setite> and download the installer with it
[04:33] <setite> verr - then yout floppy must not work so well
[04:34] <spikeb> jivera, might be a combo of both if swf isn't still open
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> vladster_, which bug
[04:34] <Verr-> setite i said ;)
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:34] <setite> ok then do as i say please
[04:34] <setite> get flashget... use it to download the installer
[04:34] <setite> i promise you it wont take 4 hours
[04:34] <Verr-> where to get flashget?
[04:34] <setite> google it
[04:35] <setite> ill google it for you
[04:35] <setite> amazesoft.com
[04:35] <vladster_> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:35] <setite> speaking of which i need to download the 32bit installer for this pc
[04:35] <setite> is 7 gigs sufficient for an ubuntu installation?
[04:35] <joujou> regaya: do they have to be in zip format or extracted for xmame to play them?
[04:36] <Verr-> IRONIC :D
[04:36] <setite> 6.93 to be exact
[04:36] <joujou> regeya
[04:36] <vladster_> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[04:36] <setite> well to be nice more like 6 gigs
[04:36] <Verr-> I dload that flashget prog 2.3/kt per second
[04:36] <joujou> regeya: do they have to be in zip format or extracted for xmame to play them?
[04:36] <setite> wow... are you sure you have broadband
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> joujou, zipped man
[04:36] <setite> verr what speed do you usually get when downloading from a fast source
[04:36] <Verr-> setite usually i get like 50kt/sec
[04:36] <Seabook> hi guys
[04:37] <vladster_> nomasteryoda: this is a fresh ubuntu install after suse started going south
[04:37] <setite> on broadband?
[04:37] <Seabook> I'm gonna install Ubuntu.
[04:37] <Verr-> yeah
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> vladster, wow
[04:37] <Seabook> I freed up some space to create Linux partitions.
[04:37] <setite> wow.... maybe it doesn matter that your in finland or whereever....
[04:37] <setite> regardless flashget will get you a few hundred kbps
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> setite, proxy server maybe
[04:37] <Verr-> huhx?
[04:37] <Verr-> setite lets see
[04:37] <Seabook> Do I need a ext2 or ext3 partition?
[04:38] <setite> well the only thing that limits it is a really bad pc
[04:38] <setite> ext3
[04:38] <vladster> stream tunewr is working and ripping but I can't tune in to listem, XMMS is broken for some strange reason
[04:38] <nuOpus> depends on what you need
[04:38] <setite> yea
[04:38] <Verr-> this is fresh laptop :)
[04:38] <setite> someone answer me
[04:38] <nuOpus> ext2 is better for drivers with smaller space
[04:38] <setite> is 6 gigs good
[04:38] <joujou> nomasteryoda: that must be it then... trying again
[04:38] <Verr-> My dads working machine
[04:38] <nuOpus> ext3 on a small partition takes too much space
[04:38] <vladster> I put ubuntu into a 60 gig hard drive
[04:38] <setite> i want to throw ubuntu on this rig for the next week or two
[04:38] <setite> until i get my pc working
[04:39] <setite> i know this is a simple question...
[04:39] <Verr-> Well soon that comp will be widowsed :/
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> vladster, yes... i found that a problem on ubuntu... i was using oss on suse for xmms
[04:39] <Verr-> windowsed
[04:39] <nuOpus> I use ubuntu as my main os now
[04:39] <setite> so simple no one wants to answered?
[04:39] <Verr-> Gonna unistall ubuntu from it
[04:39] <nuOpus> setite what is question?
[04:39] <Verr-> Cos i have 2 ubuntu laptops soon
[04:39] <setite> is 5 or 6 gigs enough for ubuntu
[04:39] <nuOpus> yes
[04:39] <spikeb> yeah setite
[04:39] <spikeb> plenty
[04:39] <setite> ok thank you
[04:39] <Verr-> i gave 15 gigs
[04:39] <spikeb> i gave 60 :)
[04:39] <setite> ok now you answer spike
[04:39] <Verr-> spikeb :D
[04:39] <Seabook> setite: that was answer to my question?
[04:39] <setite> well my other rig... when it works has 400
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> Verr-, make one home partition
[04:39] <setite> thatll be enough right
[04:40] <setite> hehe
[04:40] <spikeb> heh
[04:40] <setite> ok now from a friends bad experience
[04:40] <vladster> is there a fix of do I have to use something else until a patch comes throught
[04:40] <Verr-> havent admin rights :/
[04:40] <setite> i need to defrag first right
[04:40] <Verr-> niicee
[04:40] <setite> then set aside the ext3 partition
[04:40] <spikeb> if you plan on partitioning, yes, defrag
[04:40] <setite> yea my friend didnt do that
[04:40] <spikeb> heh
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> vladster, you can do it... looking at wiki
[04:40] <setite> really bad experience
[04:41] <spikeb> that'll cause problems sometimes
[04:41] <vladster> which wiki
[04:41] <setite> its what i did when i tried to install rh6 a few years back
[04:41] <nomasteryoda> ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[04:41] <nomasteryoda> also look at ubuntuforums
[04:42] <vladster> I found a very long bug report on that exact fault
[04:42] <setite> ok imma download ubuntu 32 and lets see what speed the amazing flashget gives me
[04:42] <spikeb> heh
[04:42] <Verr-> Dual os will never work :/
[04:42] <Verr-> Cant even use one :/
[04:42] <kebac> i use windows only for counter-strike :)
[04:43] <Verr-> :)
[04:43] <vladster> I am running dual boot now, on seperate hard drives
[04:43] <setite> kebac same here
[04:43] <setite> it makes me mad though
[04:43] <nomasteryoda> best way vladster
[04:43] <setite> its because no surround sound on linux
[04:43] <setite> does surround sound at least work on dvds?
[04:43] <setite> i know cedega doesnt have i
[04:43] <setite> t
[04:43] <kebac> setite: if only they had good ati drivers, i guess i could have CS working on freebsd also...
[04:43] <setite> well i use nvidia
[04:43] <kebac> setite: or ati drivers at all...
[04:43] <setite> so drivers arent so bad
[04:44] <kebac> i am thinking of upgrading to nvidia as well
[04:44] <setite> ati's linux support is abysmal at best
[04:44] <setite> IMO at least
[04:44] <kebac> i dont want to know about ati's freebsd support...
[04:44] <kebac> i guess there is no support
[04:45] <setite> oh yea... yoru talking freebsd... why not tru linux
[04:45] <kebac> setite: i like freebsd
[04:45] <setite> but you'll like linux too
[04:45] <setite> they have open source drivers?
[04:45] <bluefoxicy> somebody complained that there's no good games in Ubuntu
[04:45] <bluefoxicy> I have one thing to say
[04:45] <mjr> me too
[04:45] <bluefoxicy> Armagetron.
[04:46] <setite> armagetron
[04:46] <setite> ok when people say tuxracer is a game... they scare me
[04:46] <mjr> setite, up to radeon 9250 only, ati has joined nvidia in the bad guys camp
[04:46] <setite> the only one of those level games that i like is tetris
[04:46] <bluefoxicy> setite:  have you played armagetron?
[04:46] <tux> tuxracer is shit
[04:46] <tux> lets face it
[04:46] <Verr-> :D
[04:46] <nuOpus> ati was supposed to release actual catalyst drivers in december
[04:46] <nomasteryoda> tux, but kids love tuxracer man
[04:46] <nuOpus> looks like its late
[04:46] <Verr-> heheahah
[04:46] <spikeb> i love tuxracer
[04:46] <nuOpus> ya my kid loves tuxracer
[04:46] <spikeb> heh
[04:46] <tux> im sure if it was a fat italian plumber it would make billions but its not
[04:47] <spikeb> im more interested in tuxkart though
[04:47] <kebac> nuOpus: i thought that ati's not going to support linux/freebsd at all
[04:47] <mjr> and if tuxracer is not a game, what is it then? A utility?
[04:47] <nomasteryoda> Get them early, they will always LOVE Linux
[04:47] <kebac> it's a tool
[04:47] <setite> nomasteryoda - but some adults try to pass it off as a real game
[04:47] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[04:47] <Verr-> well
[04:47] <tux> its a gfx card tester
[04:47] <kebac> a tool with what you can check if 3D is working
[04:47] <Verr-> I think i keep this windows
[04:47] <nomasteryoda> setite, i like it =)
[04:47] <bluefoxicy> uh
[04:47] <Verr-> if i can use grub,,,
[04:47] <nomasteryoda> kebac, yea
[04:47] <bluefoxicy> can anyone ping archive.ubuntu.com
[04:47] <tux> see how well it can handle bitmapping
[04:47] <Verr-> but how to?
[04:48] <kebac> bluefoxicy: i can
[04:48] <nuOpus> kebac: no
[04:48] <nomasteryoda> no
[04:48] <bluefoxicy> oh wow
[04:48] <bluefoxicy> it took like
[04:48] <nomasteryoda> no pingy here
[04:48] <bluefoxicy> 40 seconds to resolve it
[04:48] <nuOpus> kebac: They has a press release stating that they were going to support linux
[04:48] <nuOpus> a few months back
[04:48] <joujou> greaaaaaaaaaaat i got metal slug working!   now how can I play full screen?
[04:48] <nomasteryoda> my suck ISP is blocking pings
[04:48] <kebac> nuOpus: right... i hope they are going to support freebsd as well
[04:49] <bluefoxicy> eh screw bsd
[04:49] <sobralense> well.. anyone using brand new hoary upgrade and using "gdesklets"
[04:49] <kebac> my resolving took about 0.1s
[04:49] <bluefoxicy> I tried to install open
[04:49] <sobralense> ?
[04:49] <nuOpus> kebac: I doubt it
[04:49] <bluefoxicy> and free
[04:49] <bluefoxicy> and they confused me
[04:49] <bluefoxicy> :)
[04:49] <spikeb> um
[04:49] <nuOpus> kebac: I think the only reason they are doing it is there is a demand for it for linux now
[04:49] <mjr> they support a subset
[04:49] <bluefoxicy> Linux is [can be]  more secure anyway.
[04:49] <vladster> this just cheese me out, is there an alternate player I can use?
[04:49] <spikeb> nvidia updates their drivers on a consistant basis.
[04:49] <bluefoxicy> and it's just better :>
[04:49] <nuOpus> there is not a real demand for freebsd
[04:50] <nuOpus> so as a corporation why spend the money to write drivers without demand/
[04:50] <bluefoxicy> nuOpus: exactly
[04:50] <kebac> nuOpus: of course
[04:50] <Verr-> I cant add LAN to my crappy windows
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> a real reason to use KDE... Kompose
[04:50] <bluefoxicy> only significant markets get past marketting.
[04:50] <bluefoxicy> correction
[04:50] <kebac> but i guess it wouldnt be too awkward to write drivers for BSD as well
[04:50] <Crane> yeeee haawwww
[04:50] <nuOpus> Only reason to use KDE .. to waste the unused memory you have
[04:50] <bluefoxicy> only a fair subset of significant markets and a tiny tiny subset of insignificant markets get past marketting.
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> nuOpus, well i have 1GB
[04:51] <nuOpus> LOL
[04:51] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[04:51] <spikeb> as opposed to gnome, which wastes processor cycles :)
[04:51] <nuOpus> then use kde
[04:51] <Crane> lol
[04:51] <kebac> better to waste memory than CPU
[04:51] <nuOpus> I have 3.06 GHZ. :-)
[04:51] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:51] <bluefoxicy> kde is worse
[04:51] <drspin> has anyone played "The Guild" ??
[04:51] <bluefoxicy> it wastes disk cycles
[04:51] <bluefoxicy> :)
[04:51] <nuOpus> plenty to spare since I dont game on the PC
[04:51] <Verr-> gtg
[04:51] <Crane> i'm thinking of trying something different
[04:51] <bluefoxicy> when it reaches 1.5G ram usage with no running applications
[04:51] <Verr-> brb after sleeping
[04:51] <nomasteryoda> bye Verr-
[04:51] <bluefoxicy> then you will understand what starting firefox is about.
[04:51] <nomasteryoda> bluefoxicy, huh?
[04:51] <kebac> bluefoxicy: you will never reach 1.5G usage in normal use...
[04:52] <bluefoxicy> kebac:  bullshit.
[04:52] <kebac> bluefoxicy: how come
[04:52] <nomasteryoda> runnaway process or something
[04:52] <vladster> nomasteryoda: is there an alternate player I can use for this?
[04:52] <bluefoxicy> I've had KDE running and gotten into my swap by 600M
[04:52] <nomasteryoda> yea
[04:52] <bluefoxicy> and I have 768M of ram
[04:52] <nomasteryoda> let me ss
[04:52] <nomasteryoda> see
[04:52] <bluefoxicy> I had like 200M of disk cache at the time
[04:52] <Crane> anyone one use Xfrce
[04:52] <nuOpus> bluefoxicy: I believe it. My main PC has 2gb and I have seen it go up there with KDE
[04:52] <Crane> or flux
[04:52] <bluefoxicy> so I closed everything I was running and it freed up like 150M of memory
[04:52] <bluefoxicy> this was after running KDE for a week straight mind you; I never log out.
[04:52] <kebac> well KDE is the ass
[04:53] <nuOpus> with that much memory and no swap utilization you can sort of tell that KDE is slower
[04:53] <bluefoxicy> kde 3.2 something.
[04:53] <nuOpus> and if you can tell on a fast machine you must definately tell on something slower with less ram
[04:53] <setite> my rig... that is not working because i think i killed the mobo has 1gig or ram... 2.7 ghz... on a amd64 3200 dtr... meanign 700mhz overclock... and 400 gigs... is that enough for ubuntu?
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> fluxbox is great too
[04:53] <bluefoxicy> nuOpus: i'm convinced there's a leak
[04:53] <nuOpus> ya
[04:53] <bluefoxicy> nuOpus:  or that kde is just ass
[04:53] <nuOpus> I am in love with XFCE 4.2
[04:53] <nuOpus> or the RC
[04:54] <vladster> You need another 7 gigs of ram,Tee Hee
[04:54] <bluefoxicy> it may just be KDE making 8 billion "kdeinit" processes
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> vladster, lol
[04:54] <nuOpus> bluefoxicy: I think that KDE tries to offer too much that is not needed
[04:54] <bluefoxicy> it seems to want to start ~9-15 of them per task, and close about 3 when a task ends.
[04:54] <setite> i dont see a real difference between KDE and GNOME
[04:54] <regeya> users of certain distributions tend to hate kde
[04:54] <nuOpus> I like GNOME because it is clean
[04:54] <nicedreams> xfce eh
[04:54] <regeya> users of other distributions tend to hate gnome
[04:55] <bluefoxicy> regeya:  I like Mandrake, SuSE, and Gentoo.  :)
[04:55] <regeya> some people just tend to hate both.
[04:55] <Crane> nuOpus: me
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> nicedreams, the latest one is very nice
[04:55] <Crane> too
[04:55] <bluefoxicy> Debian is ok
[04:55] <bluefoxicy> but Debian is kind of a middle grounder.
[04:55] <nicedreams> nomasteryoda: is it in hoary?
[04:55] <nuOpus> xfce 4.2 is GREAT!
[04:55] <Crane> OS: Linux 2.6.8.1-3-386 | CPU: AMD Athlon(TM) @ 1662.752 MHz | MemTotal: 906736 kB | Audio:  | Video:  | (eth0) Data Sent: 2978774 (2.8 MiB) | (eth0) Data Recivied: 51662812 (49.2 MiB)
[04:55] <Crane> | Uptime: 8:55 | Load Average (15 Mins.): 0%
[04:55] <Crane> oops
[04:55] <vladster> and three more procs :0
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> nicedreams, not sure
[04:55] <nuOpus> nicedreams: Have you tried the new hoary test CDs?
[04:55] <bluefoxicy> Ubuntu is closer to Mandrake and SuSE than Debian. . . it's actually more user friendly :)
[04:55] <regeya> I for one tolerate GNOME, and chose Ubuntu for that reason, because they saved me the headache of getting GNOME working properly.
[04:55] <vladster> ;)
[04:55] <nicedreams> nuOpus: test cds?
[04:55] <regeya> GNOME is a flaming pile of garbage, but a darn usable flaming pile of garbage.
[04:55] <setite> blue - blasphemer!
[04:56] <bluefoxicy> redhat i dislike
[04:56] <setite> hehe
[04:56] <etorix> ha ha
[04:56] <bluefoxicy> slack is ass
[04:56] <nuOpus> nicedreams: Ya .... I got the daily hoary CDs ... the one released today. Works really well
[04:56] <Crane> anyone running Xfce
[04:56] <tux> slackware doesnt have 64bit support
[04:56] <tux> thats that all about
[04:56] <vladster> Slack was the first one I tries over 14 years ago
[04:56] <bluefoxicy> I tried slack
[04:56] <nuOpus> nicedreams: when it boots you get a "server" option so you can install on a server without the desktop crap
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> vladster, try Rhythmbox
[04:56] <regeya> um
[04:56] <bluefoxicy> it was ass.  The package manager didn't exist.
[04:56] <nicedreams> nuOpus: I'm using the hoary repositories
[04:56] <setite> ubuntu is what happens when you pick a damn good distro... and make it better
[04:56] <setite> or different if you prefer
[04:56] <nicedreams> setite, for sure
[04:56] <bluefoxicy> its "packages" were .tgz files that got extracted to /
[04:57] <setite> damn ubuntu 32bit download wont break 250kb
[04:57] <bluefoxicy> its package manager was basically zcat $i | tar x -C /
[04:57] <regeya> linux didn't exist 14 years ago
[04:57] <setite> this is annoying me
[04:57] <nuOpus> setite: Uhhh noo ... Ubuntu is what happens when you take a distro with no funding and fund them
[04:57] <setite> the 64bit went 500kb
[04:57] <drspin> setite: yes, Ubuntu is definately more desktop-ready then any of the other distros that I have tried ;)
[04:57] <setite> nu0pus... it didnt have funding before?
[04:57] <WeedVender> I got a question
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> Kompose .. cool screenshot - http://developer.berlios.de/dbimage.php?id=861
[04:57] <bluefoxicy> drspin: it needs an installer like Mandrake's :)
[04:58] <nuOpus> Not like ubuntu has
[04:58] <bluefoxicy> a very pretty and nice looking installer
[04:58] <setite> i thought it started as a freely available funded project
[04:58] <nomasteryoda> go WeedVender
[04:58] <etorix> im using xfce4
[04:58] <nicedreams> once debian gets good mplayer and codec support then it will be much better
[04:58] <bluefoxicy> that you can click on buttons to use
[04:58] <Crane> installing xfce4 from synamptic
[04:58] <WeedVender> I mounted a vfat drive and I can't see the files that ive added through Linux in Windows
[04:58] <daniels> nicedreams: that cannot happen for legal reasons.
[04:58] <bluefoxicy> because normal users are afraid of the tab key
[04:58] <nomasteryoda> bluefoxicy, progeny has a nice installer
[04:58] <nuOpus> Ubuntu is being funded by conical and one of the richest capital investors
[04:58] <Crane> is Xfce4 the only package I need
[04:58] <daniels> nicedreams: if you ship wmv codecs, you will get sued into oblivion.
[04:58] <nomasteryoda> bluefoxicy, and it is debian
[04:58] <drspin> bluefoxicy: yes ;) and easier ways to install the necessities (java, mp3, divx)
[04:58] <daniels> nuOpus: ('canonical')
[04:58] <nuOpus> daniels: thank you
[04:58] <regeya> vladster: you claim to have used slackware in 1991?
[04:58] <setite> daniels - picky picky
[04:58] <bluefoxicy> drspin:  hehe
[04:58] <bluefoxicy> mpg123
[04:59] <bluefoxicy> nomasteryoda:  screenies?
[04:59] <etorix> hmm .. i use the os-cillation debs on 32-bit or weberas on 64-bit
[04:59] <setite> mpg123 gives mp3 support right
[04:59] <bluefoxicy> mpg321 too
[04:59] <WeedVender> I mounted a vfat drive and I can't see the files that ive added through Linux in Windows
[04:59] <drspin> setite: for some programs...
[04:59] <nuOpus> nicedreams: mplayer works great in universe ... but no codecs
[04:59] <setite> for xmms?
[04:59] <bluefoxicy> WeedVender: you mounted it read only  :)
[04:59] <drspin> nuOpus: install w32codecs
[04:59] <bluefoxicy> setite: oh  :)
[04:59] <bluefoxicy> xmms uses mpg123's core
[04:59] <setite> so yes?
[04:59] <nuOpus> drspin: you can get ALL of the codecs from the mplayer web site and just extract it to /usr/lib/win32
[04:59] <nicedreams> bluefoxicy: really?
[05:00] <WeedVender> Linux can write on it..
[05:00] <WeedVender> Ive added files..
[05:00] <nuOpus> drspin: w32codecs does not work as well ... it is bare in comparison
[05:00] <nicedreams> nuOpus: hoary has them in the repositories
[05:00] <WeedVender> but yet I dont see it on WIndows...
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> nicedreams:  mine did, then i replaced it with beep-media-player
[05:00] <drspin> nuOpus: yes ;) I was telling you the same just making you look for them
[05:00] <WeedVender> I dont see how thats read only.
[05:00] <nicedreams> lol...i like BMP
[05:00] <setite> when i get over to ubuntu sometime in the hour... i need to figure out how to get xmms working with mp3s... but without download xmms-mp3 if possible
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> WeedVender:  it was a joke.
[05:00] <regeya> okay, okay...since I can't remember what year the kernel was begun, and since I can't find the original usenet post anywhere handy, I'll just shut up. :-}
[05:00] <vladster> nomasteryoda: where do I change the file association for streamtuner
[05:00] <lifeless> WeedVender: vfat & ntfs are quite different
[05:00] <nuOpus> nicedreams: no not all. It only has like 9 megs of them. THe pack from mplayer site called all ... is 19 megs worth
[05:01] <spikeb> yes
[05:01] <setite> ntfs is evil
[05:01] <WeedVender> vfat is anything in FAT
[05:01] <WeedVender> Windows should see FAT.
[05:01] <WeedVender> even if its on NTFS.
[05:01] <vladster> I think it was 93
[05:01] <setite> yea it can
[05:01] <setite> floppies are fat
[05:01] <nuOpus> Good example .... I cannot go to xbox.com and view trailers with the outdated w32codecs deb ... but getting the newest myself from mplayer site I can
[05:01] <regeya> I was thinking 92, but 93 sounds good, I guess
[05:01] <setite> and some usb stick drives
[05:01] <vladster> I remeber because I was still in the dos world at the time
[05:01] <nuOpus> setite: No ... floppies are skinny :-0
[05:01] <setite> my mp3 player is a fat16 stick drive
[05:02] <nuOpus> :-)
[05:02] <setite> smart -ass
[05:02] <WeedVender> fat16 eh?
[05:02] <vladster> My first computer used punch cards
[05:02] <nuOpus> setite: lol
[05:02] <setite> yes fat16
[05:02] <setite> not fat8
[05:02] <WeedVender> *shudders
[05:02] <setite> not fat32
[05:02] <bluefoxicy> my first computer hooked to my TV
[05:02] <setite> but fat16
[05:02] <bluefoxicy> and contained a SID chip
[05:02] <bluefoxicy> and 64KiB of memory.
[05:02] <nuOpus> setite: I have a floppy I use with the driverloader debs ... it is ext2
[05:02] <WeedVender> so any ideas?
[05:02] <regeya> I was in high school in a really rural area.  I shouldn't use that as an excuse since someone from my town was one of the first people in the linux counter project.
[05:02] <nuOpus> even though a good portion of it is used by the file system
[05:02] <setite> well arent you special
[05:03] <nuOpus> lol
[05:03] <vladster> Mione was the size of three fridges and my college
[05:03] <setite> damnit why wont this download break 250k
[05:04] <WeedVender> anyone with ideas?
[05:04] <nuOpus> what are you trying to download?
[05:04] <setite> ooh there we go
[05:04] <setite> 557
[05:04] <setite> 4 jets beats 5 for once
[05:04] <setite> downloading ubuntu
[05:04] <setite> i finally decided to just sneak it on my dads computer...
[05:04] <nuOpus> the hoary test cd's?
[05:05] <nuOpus> oh. LOL
[05:05] <setite> he wont use it much in the next two weeks so i might as well
[05:05] <joujou> how to play full screen in gxmame? anyone please?
[05:05] <nuOpus> setite: May be the best thing you have done for him! lol
[05:05] <WeedVender> I have another question then...
[05:05] <nicedreams> alt+enter
[05:05] <nuOpus> may be faster just using a torrent
[05:05] <nicedreams> joujou
[05:05] <setite> nah...
[05:05] <kebac> joujou
[05:05] <setite> torrents have been sucking on here lately
[05:05] <joujou> yup yup
[05:05] <nuOpus> on Windows?
[05:05] <WeedVender> apt-get install w32codecs gives me that it isn't available.
[05:05] <setite> yea
[05:05] <nuOpus> Which torrent client?
[05:05] <setite> its because this pc is slow
[05:05] <nuOpus> There is a reason ... that is why I am asking
[05:06] <nuOpus> oh
[05:06] <setite> on my other rig they worked fin
[05:06] <setite> well i used abc
[05:06] <vladster> and it had a whole 640 k of "core" memory
[05:06] <spikeb> i cant use BT effeciently because of my rounter
[05:06] <jivera> WeedVender: You need to add the marillat apt archive.
[05:06] <setite> and then i used the java one
[05:06] <setite> i forget the name
[05:06] <jivera> Azureus?
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> Azerus
[05:06] <setite> yea
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:06] <nuOpus> usually on windows for the actual bittorrent it is because the upstream is too high
[05:06] <setite> and it started to suck too
[05:06] <setite> i messed with that too
[05:06] <setite> i gave up
[05:06] <spikeb> my router doesnt have any sort of advanced configuration, so i cant open up ports for bt
[05:06] <setite> when my other rig worked better with the same exact torrent and configuration
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> setite, all torrent sites are hammered now days
[05:07] <WeedVender> and how do I do that?
[05:07] <nuOpus> too bad they dont have gnome-bittorrent in the repos
[05:07] <setite> nomasteryoda.. yea that too
[05:07] <nicedreams> spikeb: you have a microsoft router or something?
[05:07] <nuOpus> had to build it from source
[05:07] <spikeb> nicedreams, almost - a 3com homeconnect from like 2000
[05:07] <setite> torrent was nice while it lasted
[05:07] <nicedreams> setite: while?
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> setite, yea
[05:07] <nicedreams> setite: i still use it
[05:07] <setite> well the not so legal side
[05:07] <spikeb> it'll still be fine for free uses.
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> i do to
[05:07] <nicedreams> setite: they have a new beta for the serverless or whatever it is one
[05:08] <setite> i like to get movies before i buy them
[05:08] <nicedreams> goto the software page on www.neowin.net
[05:08] <nicedreams> should be in the front list still
[05:08] <setite> i went to see HP3
[05:08] <regeya> from linux.org, on the Linux kernel: 'He began his work in 1991 when he released version 0.02 and worked steadily until 1994 when version 1.0 of the Linux Kernel was released.'
[05:08] <nuOpus> I thitorrent is no longer legal?
[05:08] <setite> then downloaded it on torrent
[05:08] <setite> then bought it when it was released
[05:08] <nuOpus> err .. torrent is no longer legal?
[05:08] <setite> it is legal
[05:08] <setite> just some torrents arent
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> nuOpus, yes it is
[05:08] <Agrajag> it's always been legal
[05:08] <nicedreams> nuOpus: how can torrent be illegal when i get legal linux stuff all the time
[05:08] <spikeb> torrent is legal - the mpaa is merely going after lots of torrent sites.
[05:08] <nuOpus> ok that is what I thought
[05:08] <nicedreams> like a VCR
[05:08] <setite> so the AA's are paying people to hammer the sites
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> piratebay
[05:08] <Agrajag> the sharing of copyrighted material using bittorrent is not, and neevr has been, legal
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> they are the best
[05:08] <nicedreams> the torrent sites are illegal though
[05:08] <nicedreams> now at least
[05:09] <setite> however there is a little legal leeway for the torrent sites
[05:09] <spikeb> torrents should work BETTER when they're busy - thats the point.
[05:09] <nuOpus> spikeb: They do
[05:09] <spikeb> the websites hosting the .torrent files however....
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> nicedreams, ask suprnova.org about that...they were shutdown
[05:09] <setite> because they dont post the stuff themselves
[05:09] <spikeb> suprnova hosted TONS of illegal stuff.
[05:09] <nuOpus> The do not work better when they are busy if you have it configured to use too much of your upstream
[05:09] <setite> yea i liked suprnova was cool
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> spikeb, but no they did not
[05:09] <spikeb> yes they did.
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> spikeb, only the links
[05:09] <setite> they survived a while since the torrents were user supported
[05:09] <setite> posted*
[05:10] <spikeb> ahh
[05:10] <nicedreams> a new version of bittorrent came out on dec 21, so it's still being workedon
[05:10] <spikeb> nomasteryoda, good luck getting that one past a US court
[05:10] <spikeb> heh
[05:10] <Agrajag> nomasteryoda: they enabled people to access illegal material
[05:10] <nuOpus> I use torrentsearch.us now
[05:10] <Agrajag> I don't see yhow you can think they're innocent
[05:10] <nicedreams> http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=26384&category=software
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> setite, lookat the legal crap emails posted on piratebay
[05:10] <spikeb> i just use direct torrent links from providers - eg distro venders
[05:10] <setite> bluffs?
[05:10] <setite> isnt piratebay in french or german
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> nu0pus, i use google
[05:10] <setite> i wish torrent has lasted longer though
[05:10] <nuOpus> Agrajag: Torrent is not illegal .... used for lots of legal reasons like distributing free linux ISOs
[05:11] <setite> its not cool
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> setite, yes, but you can read the title syou need
[05:11] <Agrajag> nuOpus: I never said it was
[05:11] <setite> yea i know... i used it once in a while
[05:11] <spikeb> nuOpus, more and more distro makers are starting to use it for that
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> ok, off topic?
[05:11] <Agrajag> I said that what suprnova.org was doing was illegal.
[05:11] <nuOpus> Agrajag: Sure some people use it to do illegal things ... BUT people use knives to do illegal things too
[05:11] <spikeb> nuOpus, for eg xandros and yellowdog
[05:11] <nicedreams> VCR's and CD-RW's would be illegal then if torrents and other programs were illegal
[05:11] <nuOpus> and we dont ban all knives
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu too
[05:11] <Agrajag> nuOpus: Did you even READ what I said?
[05:11] <setite> nicedreams - they almost are
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:11] <nuOpus> Agrajag: Probably not
[05:11] <spikeb> saves tons of bandwidth, hence they can use it
[05:11] <setite> one of the latest laws would make them illegal
[05:11] <nicedreams> LOL
[05:11] <spikeb> i think it's very nice if not for my router that i really should upgrade
[05:11] <nuOpus> Agrajag: LOL probably not if you are acting like that
[05:12] <setite> it was a really loaded dangerous general law that could outlaw computers, vcrs, etc
[05:12] <nuOpus> ahhhhh
[05:12] <nicedreams> it won't happen
[05:12] <setite> i know
[05:12] <nicedreams> it can't happen
[05:12] <spikeb> it can happen
[05:12] <setite> it can..
[05:12] <spikeb> but it probably wont
[05:12] <nicedreams> that's like putting a ban on what kind of water you can drink
[05:12] <setite> it was attached to an education law oddly
[05:12] <nicedreams> it's rediculous so it won't happen
[05:12] <setite> its why nothing gets done
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> woww... Kompose is cool
[05:13] <spikeb> eh, if its ridiculous, we americans will probably do it
[05:13] <setite> all these crazy riders are added to good bills
[05:13] <nuOpus> So has anyone found any luck in the hoary test CD's? (just to get back on topic. lol)
[05:13] <setite> its because no one cares
[05:13] <nuOpus> I actually like it
[05:13] <setite> youve gotta watch congress
[05:13] <nicedreams> nuOpus: what are you talking about CDs for?  Use the hoary repositories?
[05:13] <nicedreams> no ?
[05:13] <spikeb> they have hoary test cds already?
[05:13] <spikeb> damn
[05:13] <nuOpus> I mean for a new installation
[05:13] <setite> whats a test cd
[05:13] <nicedreams> oh
[05:13] <spikeb> anyone know how usplash is coming along?
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> daily release
[05:13] <crimsun> spikeb: very slowly.
[05:13] <nuOpus> it is way a waste of time to install Warty FIRST then upgrade to hoary
[05:13] <spikeb> crimsun, uh oh
[05:13] <spikeb> crimsun, how come?
[05:14] <setite> damnit i gotta go to work in 4 hours
[05:14] <crimsun> spikeb: well, more developers would help...
[05:14] <spikeb> ahh
[05:14] <spikeb> crimsun, yeah that'll hurt any open project
[05:14] <nuOpus> I just re-installed my desktop machine with the Hoary CDs and it worked creat
[05:14] <nuOpus> great
[05:14] <nuOpus> get it ad cdimage.ubuntulinux.org
[05:14] <spikeb> nuOpus, better than dist-upgrading?
[05:14] <nuOpus> for a new install it is faster
[05:14] <nicedreams> spikeb: less time consuming probably
[05:14] <spikeb> crimsun, is it unlikely to be usable by hoary release?
[05:14] <nuOpus> but if you already have warty then just dist-upgrade
[05:15] <nicedreams> I don't think I could use anything but test realeases
[05:15] <nuOpus> usplash is supposed to make it into hoary eventually
[05:15] <nicedreams> usplash?  what's this
[05:15] <spikeb> i thought they didnt add things in after release
[05:15] <spikeb> nicedreams, userspace bootsplash
[05:15] <nuOpus> yes
[05:15] <nuOpus> instead of fbspash or a framebuffer splash that other video cards have issues with
[05:15] <nicedreams> is that the same thing as the splash that is in the kernel?
[05:15] <setite> 80%
[05:16] <spikeb> nicedreams, no. but same purpose - to show a splash screen
[05:16] <nuOpus> no that is a frame buffer splash
[05:16] <nuOpus> but same thing
[05:16] <spikeb> the basic idea (showing pretty pictures) is the same, the method of doing so isn't :)
[05:16] <nuOpus> some cards have problems with a frame buffer splash
[05:16] <nuOpus> it is kinda like what Fedora Core is using
[05:16] <spikeb> nuOpus, and so does the installer.
[05:17] <nicedreams> fedora makes me feel sick when i hear that name
[05:17] <spikeb> fedora uses rhgb - interesting, but a bit heavy.
[05:17] <nuOpus> ya
[05:17] <nuOpus> it actually runs X
[05:17] <spikeb> i love fedora - for being a tech proving ground
[05:17] <spikeb> wouldnt use it myself though
[05:17] <nicedreams> fedora is cool, but I like the more flexability in debian
[05:17] <nuOpus> but same concept being a program that loads after the kernel load to provide a graphic
[05:17] <nuOpus> instead of being done by the kernel
[05:17] <spikeb> yeah
[05:18] <setite> fedora has no ntfs reading by defauly
[05:18] <setite> poo
[05:18] <jivera> Google for it, you can find some rpms.
[05:18] <nuOpus> spikeb: Gentoo uses bootsplash ... I was thinking of getting the sources and seeing if I can make it work for ubuntu
[05:18] <spikeb> nuOpus, you can, easily
[05:18] <daniels> bootsplash and rhgb are both problematic
[05:19] <daniels> bootsplash, because it's in the kernel, and doesn't belong there
[05:19] <nuOpus> daniels: Better than nothing! lol
[05:19] <nuOpus> bootsplash doesnt have to be in the kernel
[05:19] <daniels> rhgb, because it uses X, and the current implementations (particularly libX11) are far too heavy, and make boot slower at the expense of a little bit shinier
[05:19] <nuOpus> fbsplash does
[05:19] <nicedreams> nuOpus: answer back my IM pls
[05:19] <spikeb> nuOpus, if you can just release some debs that make it all nice, go for it
[05:19] <setite> daniels... slower on a fast machine
[05:19] <daniels> nuOpus: last I saw, every bootsplsah implementation (with the 'bootsplash' name) relied on patching the kernel
[05:19] <setite> noticeably?
[05:19] <daniels> which is just not cool
[05:19] <daniels> setite: yes
[05:19] <nuOpus> daniels: install ubuntu
[05:20] <nuOpus> errr
[05:20] <nuOpus> daniels: Install Gentoo
[05:20] <spikeb> rhgb (esp newer versions) make it very slow
[05:20] <daniels> setite: especially if you're sleeping on a mode switch, which can be up to four or five seconds on some laptops
[05:20] <spikeb> nuOpus, gentoo's fbsplash patches
[05:20] <daniels> nuOpus: why?
[05:20] <setite> we talking half a second... 1 second...2... or like 5-10
[05:20] <spikeb> nuOpus, the patch is just applied by default
[05:20] <WeedVender> nuOpus, how in the world would I install the w32codecs?
[05:20] <nuOpus> it is an rcscript that loads bootsplash
[05:20] <spikeb> setite, 5-10+
[05:20] <setite> ouch
[05:20] <nuOpus> and works if no frame buffer is in the kernel
[05:20] <crimsun> WeedVender: follow the RestrictedFormats section on the wiki
[05:20] <setite> but linux starts so damn slow what does it matter
[05:20] <setite> hehe
[05:20] <daniels> nuOpus: interesting
[05:20] <crimsun> WeedVender: I could have sworn I told you this earlier.
[05:20] <nicedreams> WeedVender: apt-get install w32codecs ?
[05:20] <nuOpus> WeedVendor: Install to /usr/lib/win32
[05:20] <daniels> nuOpus: but, last I saw, this relied on their patches
[05:20] <WeedVender> didnt work
[05:20] <nuOpus> he wants the FULL pack of codecs
[05:21] <setite> woot!!! two minutes left on the download
[05:21] <nuOpus> not the half-ass full pack
[05:21] <nuOpus> lol
[05:21] <crimsun> WeedVender: what doesn't work?
[05:21] <WeedVender> I just want to play Top Gear
[05:21] <spikeb> setite, pretty fast
[05:21] <daniels> nuOpus: we are working on usplash, which will solve these problems
[05:21] <WeedVender> apt-get install W32codecs
[05:21] <setite> and this is a slow download
[05:21] <WeedVender> didn't work.
[05:21] <crimsun> WeedVender: ...what problem was that supposed to solve?
[05:21] <nicedreams> for some reason it installed the FULL codecs for me.  I beleive it did.  I haven't had codec problems like normal at least
[05:21] <setite> 40 mins
[05:21] <nuOpus> WeedVender: Its because the tar.gz will open into a subdirectory .. you have to move all of the files out of the subdir and just place them in /usr/lib/win32
[05:21] <daniels> setite: also, linux doesn't really start too slow -- you're looking at 30 seconds to a login screen on our laptops, which have slow disks
[05:21] <setite> thats twice as long as it took me to get the livecd and the 64bit installer
[05:22] <WeedVender> .. i c
[05:22] <setite> well on my other rig... fedora made me yearn for windows in regards to boot times
[05:22] <daniels> setite: (that's faster than XP, and a sight faster than Fedora and Gentoo)
[05:22] <nuOpus> daniels: Ya ... im sure that since it is just a binary being loaded through an rc script you can do something with it
[05:22] <setite> you on crack!
[05:22] <spikeb> gentoo takes like two seconds to load on my machine
[05:22] <spikeb> after the  year and a half install, that is
[05:22] <crimsun> 2 seconds?
[05:22] <setite> on my other rig... fresh install of XP and fresh install of fedora
[05:22] <nuOpus> LOL
[05:22] <crimsun> that's impressive even with -funroll-loops
[05:22] <nuOpus> Gentoo is the fastest distro I have seen
[05:22] <setite> maybe its a fedora problem
[05:22] <spikeb> if you can't tell, i have a habit of exaggerating :P
[05:23] <nuOpus> if you install and optimize it correctly with the right flags
[05:23] <setite> but i mean 2.5-3 mins for fedora
[05:23] <setite> well under a minute for windows
[05:23] <nuOpus> or 10 min for SuSE?
[05:23] <spikeb> setite, yeah about half of that is because of rhgb
[05:23] <crimsun> nuOpus: and if you jump up and down on one foot while smoking certain herbs and ...
[05:23] <WeedVender> 10 seconds for Windows Server 2003 :)
[05:23] <setite> whatever that means... its slower than shit thats all i know
[05:23] <setite> but i do believe you
[05:24] <jivera> nuOpus: How much a benefit do you figure you have in running gentoo highly optimized for your system over debian?  Do you think it's enough to make up for all the recompiling?
[05:24] <setite> fedora seemed to just be a whole mess
[05:24] <spikeb> yeah fedora is slow even after boot
[05:24] <spikeb> i dunno wtf is up with that
[05:24] <spikeb> jivera, no
[05:24] <spikeb> jivera, the ONLY thing that makes up for all that damn compiling (possibly) is the whole USE flags thing
[05:25] <setite> why does mandrake cost so much damn money for the 64bit
[05:25] <drspin> where does ubuntu look for keymaps?
[05:25] <setite> i mean suse is bad enough at 90bucks
[05:25] <jivera> Dunno, I'd rather spend a bit of extra disk space to install a few packages that I don't really need, than spend 6 months recompiling.
[05:25] <setite> but mandrake was like 160 us
[05:26] <setite> the longest part of the fedora install was figuring out what all those damn packages were
[05:26] <jivera> drspin: /usr/share/keymaps
[05:26] <WeedVender> ok, I can't extract to the /usr/lib/w32 because of some security settings?
[05:27] <spikeb> USE SUDO
[05:27] <crimsun> WeedVender: you need root privileges
[05:27] <daniels> nuOpus: the thing is, that binary could be echo 1 > /proc/bootsplash
[05:27] <daniels> nuOpus: which may not exist on our systems
[05:27] <daniels> nuOpus: if it requires a kernel patch, then it's no good
[05:28] <setite> ok burning ubuntu installer
[05:28] <drspin> keymaps??
[05:28] <setite> shit defragging is gonna take like 10 years
[05:28] <spikeb> yup
[05:28] <jivera> drspin: I told you.
[05:28] <drspin> jivera:
[05:28] <drspin> jivera: I see it now ;)
[05:29] <nuOpus> daniels: Will look into it ... but I downloaded a fresh kernel from linux.org ... configured and compiled a MINIMAL kernel just for what I need and good their bootsplash to work
[05:30] <nuOpus> daniels: That is why I know it has nothing to do with the kernel
[05:30] <setite> can windows kernels be optimized?
[05:30] <nicedreams> nope
[05:30] <nuOpus> setite: Not just a no ... but a hell no
[05:30] <setite> too bad
[05:30] <nuOpus> setite: Bill gates dont want you meddling in HIS business ... since if you read the license you dont REALLY own your copy of windows
[05:30] <setite> i would like to optimize it for better gaming
[05:31] <setite> try and remove any worthless processes
[05:31] <nuOpus> it is licensed to you to use not to own that is how making ANY modifications even for your own personal use is illegal
[05:31] <pantz_> is there an 'apt-get' way of updating firefox to version 1.0?
[05:31] <setite> well im not asking if its legal
[05:31] <vladster> what was the command to check the version of the kernel
[05:31] <nuOpus> that is why I wont buy any copy of windows ... I am paying $200 for the RIGHT to use the software
[05:32] <regeya> pantz_: either mix sources or look at ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net
[05:32] <setite> ok will legality aside... is it possible to modify the windows kernel
[05:32] <nuOpus> but no ... the only way to really optimize it is to get the source
[05:32] <nuOpus> and that will never be available legally
[05:32] <setite> ok... which is not out there?
[05:32] <nuOpus> at least in the forseeable future
[05:32] <spikeb> not for xp
[05:33] <nuOpus> you got it
[05:33] <setite> ok if anyone know a not so legal way... please PM me
[05:33] <nicedreams> using linux without recompiling the kernel seems stupid to me
[05:33] <nuOpus> The source for 2000 is leaked
[05:33] <nuOpus> err was leaked
[05:33] <nicedreams> use windows if your not going to tweak the kernel
[05:33] <regeya> erm.
[05:33] <nicedreams> that's what linux is anyways, a freakin kernel
[05:33] <setite> nicedreams... you and your damn opinions
[05:33] <nicedreams> lol
[05:33] <nicedreams> gotta love them
[05:33] <spikeb> lies, damn lies, and damner lies.
[05:33] <nicedreams> lies
[05:33] <setite> a kernel to me is popcorn
[05:33] <nicedreams> linux is a kernel
[05:33] <regeya> nicedreams: very nice; what about those of us who have no need to tweak at the moment?
[05:34] <nicedreams> it's not the OS
[05:34] <setite> is damner a word?
[05:34] <spikeb> no
[05:34] <blackitten> can someone helpme get shockwave plugin installed for mozilla firefox?
[05:34] <nuOpus> setite: 2000 source was leaked ... but im not sure where to get it anymore. MS probably worked hard to seal those channels
[05:34] <regeya> nicedreams: use linux on the days we feel like tweaking the kernel, and windows on the days when things are running just fine thank you?
[05:34] <setite> or those too scared to tweak like me
[05:34] <techn9ne> blackitten, there is no shockwave plugin for linux
[05:34] <setite> i killed my linux trying to install nvidia drivers
[05:34] <spikeb> heh
[05:34] <spikeb> brv
[05:34] <vladster> that fixed it
[05:34] <spikeb> brb
[05:34] <setite> you think im fit to modify a kernel?!
[05:34] <nicedreams> regeya: at the moment is fine, but how can you say linux is faster than windows or any other OS if you haven't taken advantage of the linux kernel
[05:34] <nuOpus> apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[05:34] <techn9ne> he said shockwave not flash
[05:35] <setite> the kernel is already faster
[05:35] <nuOpus> I dont use Linux cuz it is faster than Windows ... I use LInux because I hate Windows
[05:35] <nicedreams> let firefox install shockwave for you
[05:35] <setite> especially in my case with amd64
[05:35] <setite> since its optimized
[05:35] <regeya> nicedreams: enough with the vague condescending statements.  be specific.
[05:35] <vladster> that fixed it[05:35] <blackitten> sorry this is a newbie mom
[05:35] <nuOpus> and because I just like the control it gives me
[05:35] <nicedreams> true that
[05:35] <regeya> nicedreams: I cannot rebut that unless you tell me what you're talking about.
[05:35] <techn9ne> you can get flash but not shockwave
[05:35] <vladster> I owe someone a pepsi or a mountain dew
[05:35] <setite> i dont hate windows... i just dont see any reason to use it when i dont need it
[05:35] <nuOpus> shockwave works half-butt in crossover
[05:35] <nuOpus> but it works
[05:35] <nicedreams> regeya: rebut what, recompiling the kernel?
[05:35] <setite> vladster send a pepsi my way
[05:36] <blackitten> my kiddo wants to feed her neopets...:)
[05:36] <nicedreams> OMG
[05:36] <setite> omfg
[05:36] <setite> i remember those things
[05:36] <nicedreams> people still use neopets?
[05:36] <regeya> nicedreams: and for those of us who have better luck with this particular distribution than with windows without major tweakage?
[05:36] <setite> i used to love to starve them
[05:36] <nuOpus> OMFGWTHWYWTDTF!!!!!!!!
[05:36] <setite> hehe
[05:37] <setite> oh my god what the h*** would you want to do that for?
[05:37] <nicedreams> I just know that when I recompile my kernel, I see a HUGE performance increase
[05:37] <nuOpus> LOL
[05:37] <setite> am i right
[05:37] <nuOpus> setite: ya
[05:37] <setite> woo hoo
[05:37] <setite> had to think about that
[05:37] <regeya> nicedreams: exactly what do you do.
[05:37] <setite> nice
[05:37] <setite> just recompiling?
[05:37] <setite> or modifying?
[05:37] <nicedreams> regeya: take out all the garbage like appletalk support built into the kerel (what the hell do i need that for) and other junk and then put what I have in my system in the kernel.
[05:37] <regeya> nicedreams: are you building a monolithic kernel with exotic compiler options?  explain!
[05:38] <vladster> nomasteryoda, where do I enable the curent playing track again, I forgot
[05:38] <regeya> okay.
[05:38] <setite> yea inquiring minds want to know
[05:38] <jivera> nicedreams: You know, those aren't built into the kernel... usually they're just modules.
[05:38] <nuOpus> regaya: What is your favorite compiler options
[05:38] <nicedreams> regeya: OMG.  It's your basic modify and recompile of linux
[05:38] <drspin> I'm trying to play theguild -- it compiled fine but can't find keymap.default when it starts, any ideas?
[05:38] <nuOpus> I use -O 3 and omit-frame-pointer
[05:38] <regeya> nicedreams:  OMG.  what are you, 12?
[05:38] <setite> so you do modify thn
[05:38] <nicedreams> jivera: i don't like typing more than i have to, to explain something...most people know what i mean
[05:38] <nuOpus> setite: Yes I do
[05:38] <regeya> nicedreams: let's be adults here, and let's get down to brass tacks.
[05:39] <setite> nicedreams - you said , and i quote "I just know that when I recompile my kernel, I see a HUGE performance increase"
[05:39] <nicedreams> setite: of course I modify it, what's the point of not
[05:39] <nuOpus> setite: It is fun to learn how to do if you have the time
[05:39] <setite> implying no modifications
[05:39] <regeya> basic modification and recompiling of linux?
[05:39] <regeya> if the average linux user has to modify the code base to take advantage of it, game over, man, let's all use freebsd.
[05:39] <nuOpus> regeya: Ya .... I was just stating that if you have never done it before it is fun to learn
[05:39] <setite> see there is a stark difference between that statement and the reality of what you do
[05:39] <jivera> nicedreams: Exactly what features are you implying are built into the normal ubuntu/debian kernels that you recompile your kernel to leave out?
[05:39] <vladster> now to grab skype
[05:40] <nuOpus> jivera: Good example os to leave out ipv6 since it slows some DNS requests
[05:40] <nicedreams> do you people use linux just so you don't have to buy windows or do you use linux to explore the vastness of it
[05:40] <regeya> jivera, nicedreams: I'm still wondering that.  I've seen nothing that implies that nicedreams is leaving anything out that isn't already compiled as modules.
[05:40] <spikeb> nicedreams, i use it because i cant stand windows or osx
[05:40] <spikeb> and beos is dead
[05:40] <vladster> is there a way to speed up the browser performance?
[05:40] <spikeb> and skyos/syllable suck
[05:40] <regeya> you get a *slight* performance increase with a monolithic kernel
[05:41] <jivera> nuOpus: Is ipv6 built in by default?  I'm using a hand rolled kernel myself, but I've got ipv6 as a module.
[05:41] <nicedreams> regeya: I'm a huge gamer and performance is all I care about
[05:41] <jivera> Er, by default meaning on ubuntu and debian.
[05:41] <nuOpus> vladster: You mean it is running slow ... or takes a few seconds when you type in a web site right?
[05:41] <nuOpus> jivera: yes
[05:41] <nicedreams> regeya: if you play games enough, then you'd be a performance junky too
[05:41] <vladster> yep
[05:41] <regeya> and I question the sanity of anyone who takes a desktop-oriented linux distribution and does massive tweakage
[05:41] <kebac> nicedreams: if you are a huge gamer, then you probably use windows...
[05:41] <nicedreams> and when i recompile my kernel, my FPS go way up
[05:41] <nuOpus> vladster: It is because of ipv6. Either disable it ... or go to firefox and type about:config
[05:42] <setite> nice - the latter
[05:42] <regeya> nicedreams: if I were a gamer, I'd be running Windows.
[05:42] <bkuebler> I found something odd to increase browser speed.
[05:42] <nicedreams> opengl works in linux just fine
[05:42] <nuOpus> vladster: Then find network.dns.disableIPv6 and set it to true
[05:42] <setite> and that damn blue screen is annoying
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> bkuebler, what
[05:42] <regeya> that's nice; where's the games?
[05:42] <nuOpus> then also turn on network.http.pipelining
[05:42] <swoon> jesus the debian channel people are just horrible
[05:42] <bkuebler> nomasteryoda, seriously... try this...
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:43] <nuOpus> and change the network.http.pipelining.maxrequests to like 10 if you have broadband
[05:43] <regeya> nicedreams: if you don't have anything better to do than patronize someone who's probably been using linux twice as long as you, I'll just put you on /ignore.
[05:43] <crimsun> ...or you could use an ISP that handles ipv6 queries. Or you could drop --proto 41
[05:43] <bkuebler> edit your resolv.conf to only have 1 line in it that points to your isp's dns server.
[05:43] <nuOpus> vladster: You got that?
[05:43] <setite> monolithic?
[05:43] <vladster> I like that
[05:43] <nuOpus> Your browsing should be faster
[05:43] <nicedreams> america's army, quake2/3, UT2002/2003/2004, and others
[05:43] <nuOpus> crimsun: I did that
[05:43] <nicedreams> doom3
[05:43] <setite> i game with windows
[05:43] <setite> have no choice
[05:43] <setite> hehe everyone got all quite
[05:43] <setite> did i make yall mad
[05:43] <setite> oh.. lag
[05:43] <nuOpus> crimsun: if you type ifconfig you still get an ipv6 addy
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> so where does the network.http.pipelining go
[05:44] <crimsun> nuOpus: ...so?
[05:44] <setite> iD killed domm3 linux project
[05:44] <vladster> That made a diff
[05:44] <bkuebler> When I stopped using my routers dns passthrough, it made a noticable difference.
[05:44] <vladster> tanks
[05:44] <nuOpus> nomasteryoda: You type about:config in the address bar
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:44] <nicedreams> setite: that sucks, been trying to figure how to make it work
[05:44] <nicedreams> quake3 halls ass compared to windows on my win partition
[05:44] <setite> how old is quake3
[05:44] <nuOpus> crimson: web browsing for one thing is a little slower because firefox and other browsers will use ipv6 by default for resolution then fallback to ipv4
[05:44] <nicedreams> a few years
[05:45] <nicedreams> but the mods are still tight
[05:45] <nuOpus> that is why some people complain about linux web browsing being too slow
[05:45] <setite> all i hear when it come sot linux games is quake quake quake
[05:45] <bkuebler> there are a few decent firefox tweak threads on mozillazine.
[05:45] <nicedreams> it's not quake that people like, it's the engine and the many mods that people make off the engine
[05:45] <nicedreams> i don't play quake3
[05:45] <nicedreams> i play the mods
[05:45] <jivera> quake3's been out long enough that id should have GPL'd it.
[05:45] <nuOpus> if you have them disable ipv6 or disable ipv6 dns resolv in firefox then people that have complained of slow browsing are happy
[05:45] <nicedreams> jivera: lol
[05:45] <nicedreams> they gpl'd quake 2
[05:45] <nicedreams> the engine at least
[05:45] <nuOpus> vladster: It was a big diff huh?
[05:45] <kebac> nicedreams: yeah, and they should gpl quake3 too
[05:46] <jivera> Yes, they gpl'd q1 and q2 after 5 years; q3 is 5 years old now too.
[05:46] <nicedreams> quake4 should be out really soon
[05:46] <Seabook> How do I install/configure a wireless network card? =/
[05:46] <jivera> q3 should be gpl'd.
[05:46] <crimsun> nuOpus: funny, since fe80:: is link-local and never traverses the 'net
[05:46] <jivera> But I suppose they might be using proprietary physics libraries or something that would prevent them from it.
[05:46] <nuOpus> crimsun: it works
[05:46] <crimsun> nuOpus: I know
[05:46] <nicedreams> jivera: i hope not, i've heard alot of good things as far as linux support with quake4
[05:47] <nicedreams> ID is trying to bring games to linux
[05:47] <nicedreams> which i'm all up for
[05:47] <vladster> Now I need to plug in the rest of K3B so I can do DVDs
[05:47] <crimsun> but removing ipv6 is a rather unwieldly form of "optimisation"
[05:47] <nuOpus> crimsun: Have had LOTS of people complain and about to ditch linux because browsing is too slow they say. I have them disable ipv6 and they are happy again
[05:47] <regeya> I still haven't heard what you're doing to your kernel that makes gaming massively better on your machine, nicedreams.
[05:47] <nuOpus> crimsun: im not talking about optimization of the os
[05:47] <setite> wtf
[05:47] <setite> i gotta run chkdsk before i format
[05:47] <nuOpus> crimsun: I am talking of speeding up networking for people using internet connections that do not support any form of ipv6
[05:47] <setite> i mean defrag
[05:47] <vladster> I only do it to the browser, games are left untiouched
[05:47] <setite> grrrr
[05:48] <setite> im not gonna get this installed tonight at this rate
[05:48] <regeya> 'unless you modify your kernel with a hex editor you can't be a linux gamer'
[05:48] <nicedreams> regeya: I don't know exactly which things in the kernel give me the boost.  I just go in and take out everything that i don't need and put in what I do.  I guess taking out is what does it, or the building of certian hardware in the kernel
[05:48] <crimsun> nuOpus: the only thing that implies is that v6 routing is not configured correctly for them
[05:49] <nicedreams> regeya: nevermind, you obviously haven't tried gaming in linux.  I even try to play battlefield in cedegra's winex
[05:49] <regeya> nicedreams: that's nice; could you be specific as I asked you, or are you still blowing smoke?
[05:49] <nuOpus> crimsun: Yes .... and disabling ipv6 is the easiest fix
[05:49] <regeya> nicedreams: what seems obvious to you is, unfortunately, wrong.
[05:49] <regeya> nicedreams: nice try, though.
[05:49] <techn9ne> man phpbb sucks
[05:49] <techn9ne> someone needs to fork it and fix it
[05:49] <nicedreams> so what's the point of modifying the linux kernel then
[05:49] <nicedreams> why do they even let you do it then
[05:49] <nuOpus> crimsun: he just asked how to speed up web browsing because he is new ... he probably cares not for v6 routing or standards.
[05:50] <nuOpus> so having people just disable v6 is best.
[05:50] <regeya> nicedreams: I'm asking you to describe what process you go through.  I'd like it if you'd describe, in detail, what you do and why you do it.
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> so is there an easy way to script these changes into firefox?
[05:50] <nicedreams> omg, i just told you i don't know specifics.  I don't change one thing, then recompile just to see what happend
[05:50] <regeya> nicedreams: instead, you choose to be insulting.  Therefore it's obvious that you're a poseur, don't game in Linux, and in fact still use Win98SE.
[05:51] <nicedreams> i don't give a shit if you beleive me or not anyways
[05:51] <crimsun> guys, keep it civil, please.
[05:51] <regeya> nicedreams: again, a little proof is all I'd like.  I'm interested and instead you decide to insult me.
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> yes, please
[05:51] <nuOpus> nomasteryoda: well .... not a good idea for the distro to disable the ipv6 since lots of people can make use of it
[05:51] <nicedreams> regeya: Nope...i use windows 95a...it's better than xp
[05:51] <nicedreams> fucking moron
[05:51] <jivera> nicedreams: Did you ever try one of the 686/k7/etc optimized kernels instead of the default 386 ones?
[05:51] <drspin> could someone help me with an *easy* keymap issue?
[05:51] <nuOpus> drspin: Ask the question
[05:51] <nicedreams> i use the 686 ubuntu kernel when I screw my kernel up
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> nuOpus, no i mean for some situations where i would want to do a mass install of firefox and setup thse settings for speed
[05:52] <regeya> nicedreams: not sharing your information goes against the spirit of Free Software.
[05:52] <nuOpus> oh
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> np
[05:52] <nuOpus> nomasteryoda: I havent looked into that man ... sorry I couldnt help
[05:52] <nicedreams> okay then, let me waste an hour of my time to try to see what i modified just to make you happy
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> thanks for that tip thou
[05:52] <nuOpus> maybe someone else in here has an answer for you?
[05:52] <drspin> I did and got ignored once before ;) but here goes :: I'm trying to run theguild but when I do it crashes. the logfile says that it can't find the keymap.default file... ???
[05:52] <nuOpus> did it help you?
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> will help people want to move over
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> yes
[05:52] <nuOpus> nomasteryoda: did you do all 3?
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:53] <crimsun> nomasteryoda: you could customize a prefs.js and ship it with your modified package of 'mozilla-firefox'
[05:53] <nuOpus> nomasteryoda: disable ipv6, pipelining and max-pipeline ... ok
[05:53] <jivera> drspin: What makes you think it's looking for a system wide file rather than a 'theguild' specific file?
[05:53] <nuOpus> just dont change the max pipelining to 100
[05:53] <nuOpus> LOL
[05:53] <nuOpus> I have seen some people suggest changing it to 100 ... not necessary unless you have a REALLY fast connection
[05:53] <nicedreams> anyways, I use linux to understand it.  I tear this bitch apart to figure how how it ticks then I make it do things it doesn't want to do to see what happens
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> crimsun, sure ... that would work
[05:54] <regeya> nicedreams: really, it'll take that long?  I'm surprised, because back when I first ran Q3A on a Linux box, I just installed it and it worked so well that I didn't do a darn thing otherwise.  I had no idea I was using such a flawed system.  Why not write it up as a HOWTO on ubuntuforums?  it'd be interesting.
[05:54] <vladster> nomasteryoda, are there additional repositories that I can add to fill the gaps that I am trying to fill
[05:54] <regeya> I eagerly await your HOWTO~
[05:54] <nuOpus> crimsun: didnt know that .... thanks for the tip
[05:54] <crimsun> nomasteryoda: or we could modify the existing ubuntu 'mozilla-firefox' package to use diversions to that your specific (system-wide) prefs.js could be chosen
[05:54] <drspin> jivera: the make install script for this game sucks ;)
[05:54] <crimsun> so that^
[05:54] <jivera> drspin: That's not really something anyone here can help you with, unfortunately.
[05:54] <nuOpus> nomasteryoda: All you should have to do is get the firefox debs, unpack them ... change that file then re-pack it
[05:54] <jivera> You're better off looking for #theguild or wherever the developers hang out.
[05:55] <nicedreams> regeya: i just said i don't play quake3, and i use the mods which puts more usage on the quake engine...  I'm tired of fucking aruing with you anyways.
[05:55] <drspin> jivera: yes, it is a guild specific file - and it's the 5th one I had to copy just to make it work :/
[05:55] <nuOpus> well guys .... I must go satisfy the wife .. any other questions?
[05:55] <nuOpus> LOL
[05:56] <regeya> nicedreams: all I want to know is what you're doing; you won't even tell me if you build a monolithic kernel or not, and instead choose to be insulting.  Why so defensive?  Why do you hate the spirit of Free Software so much?  :-(
[05:56] <nicedreams> regeya: if you don't see any reason to mod the kernel, then so be it.  It's my opionion that I get more performance, so I think i do, then let me do it
[05:56] <nuOpus> chat with you all later!
[05:56] <vladster> who has fully plugged K3B with all the plugins?
[05:56] <nicedreams> regeya: for one, what are you talking about.  Insulting and this thing you are putting in my mouth about trashing free software?
[05:57] <zenwhen> What could cause a drive that has DMA enabled to read this slow?
[05:57] <zenwhen>  Timing buffered disk reads:   20 MB in  3.02 seconds =   6.63 MB/sec
[05:57] <zenwhen> thats insane
[05:57] <nicedreams> zenwhen: is that from hdparm?
[05:57] <regeya> nicedreams: could you at least tell me if you build a monolithic kernel?
[05:57] <jivera> zenwhen: Do you have multisector reading enabled?
[05:57] <zenwhen> yes
[05:57] <zenwhen> no
[05:57] <zenwhen> Actually I am not sure.
[05:57] <regeya> nicedreams: I'm starting to doubt your sincerity!  Are you one of these 'trolls' I've heard so much about?
[05:58] <jivera> zenwhen: do 'sudo hdparm -m /dev/hda' and check what it says.
[05:58] <nicedreams> regeya: Go ahead and doubt me.  I'm noob and poser and whatever you want to call me
[05:58] <zenwhen> multcount    =  0 (off)
[05:58] <regeya> nicedreams: if you'd like a definition of 'monolithic' I can supply it.
[05:58] <nicedreams> i don't care to get in a fight in a damn chat room
[05:58] <zenwhen> How to I turn it on?
[05:58] <regeya> oh dear.
[05:58] <nicedreams> why don't you write a book for me
[05:58] <jivera> zenwhen: Do 'sudo hdparm -I /dev/hda' and look for a line like "R/W multiple sector transfer: Max = N Current = 0"
[05:59] <regeya> nicedreams: do you know what a 'monolithic kernel' is?
[05:59] <nicedreams> it mean you don't use drivers/modules
[05:59] <nicedreams> it's all built in
[05:59] <regeya> THANK YOU!
[05:59] <regeya> a straightforward answer!
[05:59] <regeya> PRAISE ALLAH!
[05:59] <regeya> nicedreams: is that what you use?  you seem to have a dislike of modules.
[05:59] <zenwhen> jivera, I dont see any such line.
[06:00] <jivera> zenwhen: It should be in the Capabilities section.
[06:00] <zenwhen>    R/W multiple sector transfer: Max = 16  Current = ?
[06:00] <jivera> Okay, so do 'sudo hdparm -m 16 /dev/hda'.
[06:01] <regeya> nicedreams: on second thought, nevermind.  It took this long to get one halfway-decent answer, and you seem determined to not share your knowledge of how to properly set up a kernel for gaming.  I mark you as an enemy of all that is Good and Free.  Hasta.
[06:01] <nicedreams> regeya: I already stated, I like to tear this beat apart and learn how it work
[06:01] <nicedreams> and do what i can to make it do what i want
[06:01] <nicedreams> regardless
[06:01] <nicedreams> same with windows, it's boring now
[06:01] <zenwhen>  Timing buffered disk reads:   20 MB in  3.12 seconds =   6.40 MB/sec
[06:01] <zenwhen> Oh well
[06:01] <zenwhen> Thanks anyway.
[06:01] <zenwhen> Maybe its dying.
[06:02] <kebac> you also told us that you just remove all unneeded things from the kernel and wow, my FPS got tremendously better!
[06:02] <nicedreams> and i don't know what I do to the kernel exactly because I'm not kernel expert and after hours of screwing around it works for me and I can't pin point exactly what did it
[06:02] <nicedreams> then i try again
[06:02] <nicedreams> and again
[06:02] <nicedreams> and again
[06:02] <nuOpus> okay geez .... wife had to do "laundry" first! lol
[06:02] <nicedreams> with different options and stuff even if I know it's a bad thing, I try to see what happens
[06:02] <nuOpus> anyhoo are we still arguing of the same thing?
[06:03] <nicedreams> dunno
[06:03] <nicedreams> i can't write a novel of what i did for reg, so he thinks i'm a noob
[06:03] <nicedreams> which i could care less
[06:03] <nicedreams> you can think i'm a green alien for all i care
[06:04] <nuOpus> I think both points were made .... for lots of people .. re-compiling the kernel is an un-needed step, and for others it is necessary for learning the system and can really provide lots of options when it comes to cusomization and optimization
[06:04] <setite> you look purplish to me] 
[06:04] <nuOpus> so ... can we move on?
[06:04] <jivera> nicedreams: He doesn't think you're a noob because of that, he thinks you're a noob because you're claiming a huge FPS improvement by randomly reconfiguring your kernel.
[06:04] <nicedreams> sounds good
[06:04] <setite> nice - are you guys still talking abotu your kernel modding
[06:04] <nicedreams> It did for Urban Terror, that's all i know
[06:04] <nuOpus> setite: I guess! LOL
[06:04] <setite> damn.. thats like the longest time a topic has been held in here
[06:05] <nuOpus> who has the beer?
[06:05] <nicedreams> quake UT would give me crappy FPS until I moded my kernel and rebooted
[06:05] <nicedreams> could of been something else maybe, but seemed like the kernel
[06:05] <nuOpus> This Drop Top Amber Ale tastes like crap ... nobody buy it! lol
[06:05] <drspin> I like Guiness :)
[06:05] <u> hi can anybody tell me how to install smb?
[06:05] <setite> whats a good torrent search site
[06:05] <nuOpus> Guinness is my favorite
[06:05] <nicedreams> u: apt-get install smbfs
[06:05] <nicedreams> or samba
[06:05] <setite> pfft guiness
[06:05] <drspin> nuOpus: mine too :)
[06:06] <nuOpus> I preach the guiness
[06:06] <setite> mickeys all the wy
[06:06] <nuOpus> eh
[06:06] <nuOpus> Any of the stouts
[06:06] <nicedreams> fat tire
[06:06] <drspin> setite: two totally different classes of beer
[06:06] <nuOpus> fat tire is good
[06:06] <nicedreams> fills me up fast though
[06:06] <drspin> I like True Blonde if we're talking light beer :)
[06:06] <nuOpus> I go for the stouts ... Guiness ... NY Red
[06:06] <setite> perhaps... mickeys is the higher class
[06:06] <drspin> I mean color ;)
[06:06] <techn9ne> what games run on linux?
[06:06] <drspin> setite: that's a matter of opinion...
[06:06] <nuOpus> I also love the ambers
[06:06] <setite> mickeys is the better color too
[06:06] <nuOpus> but not this drop top crap!
[06:06] <techn9ne> i didnt know there was any non-gpl games for it
[06:07] <setite> and my opinion rules all
[06:07] <setite> mwuhahaha
[06:07] <setite> haha
[06:07] <nicedreams> quake/Ureal/america's army... those are the big ones
[06:07] <nuOpus> And I know Budweizer and Miller are the gatoraid of beers
[06:07] <setite> ha ha
[06:07] <nicedreams> SNES and MAME
[06:07] <techn9ne> i dont play games
[06:07] <nicedreams> and other emulators
[06:07] <nuOpus> XBOX LIVE
[06:07] <drspin> my brother in law works for Budweiser ;)
[06:07] <nicedreams> MAME runs very well in linu
[06:07] <setite> xbox live banned me for life
[06:07] <nicedreams> lol
[06:07] <nicedreams> cought your mod?
[06:07] <setite> well they caught every mode
[06:07] <techn9ne> they cant ban you for life
[06:07] <u> can u tell me why i can't add any more repositories besides my cd rom drive?
[06:07] <setite> they can scan hdds
[06:07] <techn9ne> they ban your xbox
[06:08] <nuOpus> setite: that is why I didnt try to put linux on mine ... fear that I may forget to turn off the mod
[06:08] <nuOpus> u: what do you mean:
[06:08] <setite> i didnt put linux on either
[06:08] <nuOpus> you can do it in synaptic
[06:08] <vladster> I guess I am going to be rolling tarballs the rest of the night to get the plugins for K3b
[06:08] <setite> evox... and the mod had a switch
[06:08] <setite> they got mad i had halo2
[06:08] <nuOpus> u: you can do it in synaptic or by editing the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[06:08] <setite> but i got mad that they delayed it
[06:08] <nuOpus> setite: yep I thought about it
[06:08] <nicedreams> u: do a base-config
[06:08] <setite> i had already bought it
[06:08] <setite> their mistake was banning me before it was released
[06:09] <setite> so i just got a re\fund
[06:09] <nicedreams> u: I think there is apt-config also
[06:09] <nuOpus> setite: I am addicted to Halo 2 and Mech Assault 2
[06:09] <nuOpus> online of course
[06:09] <techn9ne> its micrsooft... what did you expect?
[06:09] <nicedreams> Half Life 2 for me
[06:09] <Crane> hello again
[06:09] <techn9ne> pay you on the back and say good job... you want a job?
[06:09] <nuOpus> hello Crane
[06:09] <Crane> :)
[06:09] <setite> i must say halo2 was immensely disappointing
[06:09] <setite> it is akin to cs source
[06:09] <spikeb> i dont think it was
[06:10] <nuOpus> I dont play it for single player
[06:10] <spikeb> then again
[06:10] <setite> but cs source wasnt hyped to be a sequel
[06:10] <Crane> setite: really??
[06:10] <spikeb> i only ever play multiplayer
[06:10] <nuOpus> purely xbox live multiplayer
[06:10] <Crane> I heard it was great
[06:10] <nicedreams> i'm not a cs fan anyways
[06:10] <spikeb> it is great multiplayer
[06:10] <nuOpus> spikeb: And .... the original halo never had online play
[06:10] <u> well i tried to enable the "archive" sites for universe and all like the site said, then restarted synaptic, but then it said error and couldn't find it or something
[06:10] <nuOpus> u: You just need to click reload
[06:10] <nuOpus> u: reloading will go the the repositories you added and download the new headers.
[06:11] <u> ok
[06:11] <spikeb> nuOpus, yeah although it was good for lanpartying
[06:11] <nuOpus> u: let me know if that solves your problem
[06:11] <Crane> <----- no XBox
[06:11] <u> but how come it says error when i restarted?
[06:11] <u> yea it worked
[06:11] <nuOpus> u: goo
[06:11] <nuOpus> u: what error are you getting?
[06:11] <Crane> I want one
[06:11] <Crane> to put linux on
[06:11] <Crane> lol
[06:11] <nicedreams> anyone in the phoenix, arizona area?  www.lancamp.com is having it's 3rd annual 300person lan party on the 15th.
[06:11] <drspin> nice: I live in Mesa, AZ
[06:12] <nicedreams> check it out then
[06:12] <nicedreams> get fragged
[06:12] <nicedreams> lol
[06:12] <nuOpus> Crane: XBOX Live is awesome ... so many more advantages than PC gaming ... I guess that is why console gaming is a lot more popular than pc gaming now a days
[06:12] <nicedreams> it's in a warehouse on university and the 10
[06:12] <drspin> nicedreams: I'm not worthy ;)
[06:12] <vladster> is there a repository that I can add to get the rest of the k3b stuff for DVD's
 something about not being able to find it
[06:12] <nuOpus> drspin: I live in Mesa, AZ too
[06:12] <u> but i don't see those errors now
[06:12] <drspin> nuO
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> vladster, yes
[06:13] <Crane> nuOpus: I have been wanting to get one just always spend the money else where
[06:13] <Crane> :/
[06:13] <drspin> nuOpus: Arizona Ubuntu users group ;) LOL
[06:13] <drspin> j/k
[06:13] <nicedreams> drspin: there is one?
[06:13] <nicedreams> oh
[06:13] <nicedreams> lol
[06:13] <nuOpus> drspin: YA!
[06:13] <u> i think that smb is already installed when i installed linux though
[06:13] <drspin> I'd be down to start one...
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> vladster,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto/view?searchterm=sources.list
[06:14] <drspin> my problem -- I have no money for dues ;)
[06:14] <nuOpus> Crane: Ya .... some companies are even producing xbox version first and releasing on PC later because the consoles are getting way popular
[06:14] <nicedreams> we gonna try to get Phoenix linux users group in our building
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> vladster, also add multiverse
[06:14] <drspin> nicedreams: that'll be a convenient group to have visit the building ;)
[06:14] <nuOpus> drspin: Do you attend PLUG?
[06:14] <nicedreams> nuOpus and I have an office in the BofA building on almaschool and southern
[06:15] <drspin> nuOpus: no I just moved to this area a couple months ago - I've never been a part of any UG :/
[06:15] <drspin>  LOL
[06:15] <nuOpus> drspin: We should go sometime
[06:15] <nuOpus> drspin: always fun
[06:15] <drspin> I live at mesa DR and Southern
[06:15] <drspin> LOL
[06:15] <nuOpus> drspin: well ... not always. LOL
[06:15] <nicedreams> i live on ray/dobson
[06:15] <nuOpus> Ellsworth/southern
[06:15] <Crane> there is a lug for Alabama but not much going on with it yet
[06:16] <drspin> I'm game to check out a UG - do they have a website?
[06:16] <nuOpus> Crane: why dont you help move it along?
[06:16] <u> nuOpus: so how do i configure smb after it's installed?
[06:16] <nuOpus> Crane: Have a friend in Colorado that is working to get the one over there going
[06:16] <nuOpus> u: Well there are a few ways. Do you want just to set up a simple share?
[06:16] <nicedreams> drspin: goto the plug meeting with us on the 13th
[06:17] <drspin> nicedreams: ok
[06:17] <Crane> nuOpus: I have been trying with some posting but, I work out of town alot so I can't really schedule meeting and such
[06:17] <drspin> PLUG: http://plug.phoenix.az.us/
[06:17] <nuOpus> u: You can use SWAT, install WebMin and configure that way ... or if you are using Hoary there is a GUI configuration tool for shares
[06:17] <Crane> besides I'm a n00b
[06:17] <Crane> lol
[06:17] <drspin> nicedreams: what is it that you and nuOpus do?
[06:17] <nuOpus> Crane: getting n00bs together with experienced people is the best way to start a LUG
[06:17] <nicedreams> http://www.solstissolutions.com
[06:17] <nicedreams> pres and vice pres
[06:17] <Crane> yea thats trun
[06:18] <Crane> true
[06:18] <drspin> nicedreams: you guys hiring?? ;)
[06:18] <nicedreams> sure
[06:18] <u> well i went to the general network preferences and tried to "enable windows networking", but then it said i had to configure smb
[06:18] <nicedreams> we do contracts for now
[06:18] <nuOpus> drspin: I also teach a 10 week Unix/Linux course at Collins College in Tempe
[06:19] <nuOpus> drspin: Okay here is an easy way to get it going
[06:19] <drspin> nicedreams: heh - I think we'll need to have a meeting ;)
[06:19] <nuOpus> errr u:
[06:19] <nicedreams> we just started our corp, but trying to get it expanded
[06:19] <Crane> I have a question, I am about to finish reading a linux+ book and was wondering what would be another good linux book to read?
[06:19] <nuOpus> u: go to synaptic and install webmin-samba
[06:19] <nicedreams> it takes awhile...i wish it didn't
[06:20] <nuOpus> then go to a web browser and go to http://localhost:10000
[06:20] <nicedreams> u:  use https:// if http:// doesn't work
[06:20] <nuOpus> its debian. https:
[06:20] <nuOpus> sorry
[06:20] <nuOpus> it will install ssl libraries if not there already
[06:20] <drspin> nicedreams: yes - that first couple months/years for any small business is rough - especially IT-based business
[06:21] <nuOpus> Crane: The school uses the Linux Administration Handbook
[06:21] <drspin> nicedreams: or that has been my experience with the small businesses that I have worked for
[06:21] <nuOpus> I dont think it is terrably good though
[06:21] <nuOpus> have not researched other books. Sorry I couldnt be more help Crane
[06:21] <u> https for what?
[06:21] <nicedreams> drspin: we do training also, basic linux and windows classes and advanced linux classes
[06:21] <nuOpus> have you installed webmin-samba yet?
[06:21] <nicedreams> besides nuOpus teaching at collins
[06:21] <crimsun> Crane: there are so many...
[06:21] <drspin> Crane: I have a book called "Running Linux" it's older but I still use it for reference from time to time
[06:22] <nuOpus> drspin: Old books still work
[06:22] <nicedreams> google.com is the only book you need for linux
[06:22] <nicedreams> :p
[06:22] <u> yea
[06:22] <Crane> cool thanks
[06:22] <Agrajag> the system administrator's guide from tldp.org is a good read
[06:22] <nuOpus> u: now open up a web browser and type https://localhost:10000
[06:22] <drspin> I prefer the book of asking stupid questions in #linux ;)
[06:22] <drspin> LOL
[06:22] <drspin> j/k
[06:22] <nuOpus> tell me if that works
[06:23] <Crane> nicedreams: yea but when your in a hotel with no internet google os hard to read
[06:23] <Crane> :)
[06:23] <nicedreams> very true
[06:23] <nicedreams> brb
[06:23] <drspin> every hotel has internet...
[06:23] <nuOpus> ARGH!!!! I have to get going
[06:23] <drspin> you just don't have an account access number where you'll be... or do you?
[06:24] <Crane> not all of them
[06:24] <drspin> nuOpus: C U -
[06:24] <Crane> :(
[06:24] <u> nuOpus: what do i enter in for user name and pswd?
[06:24] <nuOpus> drspin: well gotta run .. if you wanna stop by we are at the big blue bank of america building on the 7th floor
[06:24] <nuOpus> ttyl
[06:24] <Crane> well I guess I could sign up for dial up
[06:24] <nuOpus> u: root and the root password!
[06:24] <nuOpus> ack ubuntu disables root
[06:24] <drspin> 7th floor - perhaps I'll stop bye after work sometime this week
[06:24] <Crane> cya nuOpus
[06:24] <nuOpus> u: Go to a terminal and type sudo passwd root
[06:24] <nuOpus> then type in YOUR password
[06:25] <nuOpus> then give it a new password for the administrator
[06:25] <nuOpus> that is the root password
[06:25] <nuOpus> user is root and password is that new admin password
[06:25] <sobralense> anyone knows where comes the "acx_pci" module? I'm afraid about upgrading to linux-k7 and dont come the acx_pci driver...
[06:25] <drspin> nuOpus: see ya later ;)
[06:25] <nuOpus> just make sure that after you are done configuring webmin you type sudo passwd -l root to lock the root account again for security
[06:25] <crimsun> sobralense: it's in every linux-image*
[06:26] <nuOpus> u: sorry I cant stay longer to help though .... these guys should be of assistance though!
[06:27] <sobralense> crimsun, =)  thx
[06:28] <crimsun> sobralense: np
[06:28] <u> so my new root username is "root" and the pswd that I created is the new password for what i enter into the https thing?
[06:29] <u> can someone help please?
[06:30] <crimsun> u: for...webmin?
[06:30] <u> yea
[06:31] <crimsun> u: yes, whatever password you set above is root's.
[06:31] <u> i entered it in and it still said incorrect thouhg
[06:31] <crimsun> u: and make sure you follow nuOpus's advice regarding changing it afterward.
[06:32] <u> which part?
[06:32] <crimsun> u: sudo -s; passwd root; (change the root password); then do what you need to regarding webmin
[06:32] <crimsun> u: < nuOpus> just make sure that after you are done configuring webmin you type sudo passwd -l root to lock the root account again for security
[06:33] <u> so sudo passwd root unlocks it?
[06:33] <crimsun> u: no, that sets the root passwd
[06:34] <u> so how do i unlock the root name?
[06:35] <drspin> u: if you create a password for root, it will be unlocked ;)
[06:36] <lynrob> how do setup printer
[06:41] <u> ok
[06:41] <u> what's the diff btwn root and admin?
[06:41] <u> is root like a limited user?
[06:41] <Agrajag> what?
[06:41] <Agrajag> what's admin?
[06:41] <crimsun> u: root is the superuser.
[06:42] <Agrajag> root is not limited in any way
[06:42] <GoneBoB> u: there is no 'admin' as such
[06:42] <u> oh
[06:42] <u> ok
[06:42] <GoneBoB> windows 'administrator'
[06:42] <GoneBoB> is vaguely analgous to unix 'root'
[06:42] <u> i couldn't log in still
[06:44] <u2> so why can't i log in now?
[06:45] <u2> with "root" as username and the new pswd?
[06:45] <lynrob> how do i pee what had was loaded in my start script
[06:45] <jivera> lynrob: ... huh?
[06:46] <lynrob> how do i see what was loaded in my start up script
[06:46] <jivera> Oh.
[06:46] <Crane> lol
[06:47] <jivera> Start up script for what?  And what do you mean loaded?  Kernel modules?
[06:47] <u3> it still says invalid
[06:47] <jivera> u{,2,3}: do you need so many nicks?
[06:47] <lynrob> i need to know if my usb is working
[06:48] <jivera> lynrob: run 'lsmod' and look for ohci, uhci, or ehci.
[06:48] <u3> i don't know why i kept getting kicked off the channel
[06:48] <u3> and that's the fastest way to get "reindentified" ahah
[06:48] <jivera> You're not getting kicked out; the originals are still in here.
[06:48] <lynrob> thanx
[06:49] <u3> it said connection reset by peer
[06:49] <u3> what does that mean?
[06:49] <jivera> It means you've got a crappy network connection.
[06:50] <u3> man i got cable
[06:51] <jivera> Yeah, and you got two dropped connections in 15 minutes.
[06:51] <u3> so why does it keep rejecting my logons?
[06:53] <lynrob> my printer will not print any help would be appreciated
[06:54] <drspin> lynrob: is it a USB printer?
[06:54] <lynrob> yes
[06:55] <drspin> lynrob: make sure your printer is on and plugged in
[06:55] <drspin> lynrob: sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[06:55] <u> so how can i log on?
[06:56] <lynrob> it is on and the usb is plugged in to the hub
[06:56] <drspin> lynrob: ok now open up your terminal and type "sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart"
[06:57] <drspin> lynrob: then type "dmesg|tail" and paste the results in #flood
[06:57] <nyxtreme> does anyone know hwo to mount a floppy drive?
[06:58] <drspin> nyxtreme: type mout/mnt/floppy
[06:58] <nyxtreme> thanks
[06:58] <drspin> nyxtreme: type mount /mnt/floppy
[06:58] <u> can someone tell me how to logon to the webmin thing?
[06:58] <drspin> nyxtreme: or better yet, mount /mnt/fd0
[06:58] <nyxtreme> drspin: it says mount: can't find /mnt/floppy in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:58] <drspin> nyxtreme: see my last statement
[06:59] <nyxtreme> drspin: I just tried that too
[06:59] <drspin> and?
[06:59] <drspin> nyxtreme: and?
[07:00] <nyxtreme> same error messagfe
[07:00] <lynrob> i was disconnected before getting the syntax for restarting my usb
[07:00] <drspin> lynrob: sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[07:01] <nyxtreme> drspin: what else should I try?
[07:02] <drspin> nyxtreme: open a terminal and type "cat /etc/fstab" and paste the results in #flood
[07:02] <nyxtreme> okay
[07:03] <u> so can u tell me why now?
[07:03] <stub> nyxtreme: sudo mount -t msdos /dev/fd/0 /mnt (can't test here - no fd)
[07:04] <nyxtreme> do I just type sudo mount -t msdos /dev/fd/0 /mnt into terminal?
[07:04] <drspin> nyxtreme: "sudo /dev/fd0" will mount the disk you can access it at /media/floppy0
[07:04] <lynrob> i keep getting no such command
[07:05] <nyxtreme> drspin: it says no such command
[07:06] <drspin> lynrob: type "modprobe pci_hotplug"
[07:06] <drspin> nyxtreme: sorry "sudo mount /dev/fd0"
[07:07] <Seabook> Has anybody successfully installed and configured a Belkin F5D7000 wireless network card under Ubuntu?
[07:07] <nyxtreme> drspin: it says 'mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist'
[07:07] <lynrob> operation not permitted
[07:07] <drspin> nyxtreme: bummer
[07:08] <drspin> lynrob: "sudo modprobe pci_hotplug"
[07:08] <subi> hoka
[07:09] <subi> hola
[07:09] <drspin> nyxtreme: try "sudo mount /media/floppy0"
[07:10] <lynrob> i sent a testpage: pending printer stopped
[07:13] <drspin> lynrob: go to Computer -> System Configuration -> Printing
[07:13] <drspin> lynrob: and then you want to restart the printer - I'm not sure how to do that... but I would assume it's 0pretty easy to figure out
[07:14] <drspin> lynrob: if you are asking for help - something "peding printer stopped" would've helped me help you a long time ago...
[07:15] <drspin> lynrob: just be more specific than "it's broke" when asking for help -- something like "when I try to print, I get an error message saying it's stopped"
[07:15] <drspin> lynrob: food for thought
[07:15] <nyxtreme> drspin: mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist
[07:15] <lynrob> yes i am asking for help how do i restart the printing service
[07:16] <drspin> lynrob: in firefox, go to http://localhost:631
[07:16] <lynrob> Paused: rastertolxx74.c:1867: Could not open /etc/cups/lpoptions: No such file or directory.
[07:16] <drspin> brb
[07:19] <bob2> stuNNed: pong?
[07:20] <lynrob> how do i start my cups deamon
[07:27] <method55> I am having an issue with this... when in opera and firefox the page renders as i want it, but in IE the content is pushed to the right more. http://www.cardboard-box.org/dropbox/TEST2/
[07:28] <method55> i did my best to make sure i declaired the margines and padding correctly
[07:28] <method55> but there is something i am missing. any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
[07:28] <drspin> method55: what version of IE are you testing in?
[07:28] <method55> 6
[07:28] <method55> sorry i ment to post this in #css
[07:29] <method55> wasnt paying attention
[07:29] <method55> =)
[07:29] <drspin> method55: I was going to send you there ;)
[07:29] <method55> i have too much going on, my head is spinning :) thanks tho
[07:29] <drspin> method55: np
[07:36] <fragment> Anyone knowledgable about hpijs?
[07:44] <Seabook> How do I find the MAC address of my network cards I forgot. >_<
[07:46] <xed> hi, I'm back.
[07:47] <xed> Does anyone know of any issues ubuntu has had with the Toshiba Satellite A70 (2.8GHz version) laptop?
[07:48] <xed> Why is it so quiet in here?
[07:49] <rockie> sorry no
[07:49] <jmob> xed: don't know off hand
[07:50] <jmob> xed: google is your friend, I'd look for general linux issues, not just ubuntu
[07:50] <xed> jmob: I checked google. No answer.
[07:50] <jmob> xed: mostly, you're going to have trouble with proper driver support
[07:50] <xed> I came in here earlier trying to get help with my issue..
[07:50] <xed> jmob: I just can't seem to get it installed.
[07:50] <jmob> xed: so look up the inividual hardware in that laptop
[07:50] <jmob> xed: any reason why?
[07:50] <xed> its not the hardware issue
[07:50] <xed> The splash screen comes up.
[07:50] <xed> I press enter.
[07:51] <xed> It shows all this stuff ..loading ..ready.. whatever.. then my screen.. just goes black
[07:51] <xed> Maybe Ubuntu doesn't support widescreen?
[07:51] <jmob> xed: maybe look at the advanced options, turn off framebuffer
[07:52] <jmob> xed: if you're screen goes black most obvious culprit would be frame buffer
[07:54] <xed> =(
[07:59] <xed> jmob: Live CD works though. =\
[08:00] <jmob> xed: did you try disabling frame buffer?
[08:01] <xed> Well I don't see how that affect it if Ubuntu LIVE CD works, but the installation doesn't work.
[08:01] <jmob> xed: what's the harm in trying?
[08:01] <xed> Because I don't know how to disable frame buffer in advanced?
[08:02] <xed> I don't even know how the advanced feature looks/works like.
[08:02] <jmob> xed: there might be something different between the live cd and the install cd
[08:03] <xed> Alright then let me give it a shot =(
[08:03] <jmob> xed: add ``vga=normal'' to the boot parameters
[08:03] <xed> sorry, what did you say jmob?
[08:03] <jmob> xed: add ``vga=normal'' to the boot parameters
[08:03] <jmob> xed: that'll disable frame buffer
[08:04] <xed> Oh
[08:04] <xed> so like.. I type in "linux vga=normal"
[08:04] <xed> ?
[08:04] <jmob> something like that
[08:04] <xed> But wait- what do i type in if I have a widescreen laptop, still the same thing?
[08:04] <jmob> same thing
[08:04] <xed> Alllrighty then
[08:04] <xed> brb
[08:08] <Seabook> I have an Athlon XP, should I be using the Linux images for 386 or AMD K7?
[08:09] <crimsun> k7
[08:09] <Agrajag> any of the three (386, 686, or k7) will work
[08:09] <Agrajag> but k7 would be best suited
[08:10] <drspin> anyone know a good way to use my webcam?
[08:10] <GoneBoB> get naked
[08:10] <GoneBoB> post pics on internet
[08:10] <GoneBoB> make profit
[08:11] <drspin> heh - well sort of - it's for my girlfriend who is overseas... she's a little mad that I "waited till she left the country
[08:11] <crimsun> you appear to have missed the "directly to jail and do not pass GO" part
[08:11] <drspin> " to switch to linux
[08:12] <jmob> drspin: so you want to get it working in linux?
[08:12] <drspin> jmob - yes
[08:12] <drspin> it works... I think... I just don't know how to use it...
[08:12] <jmob> drspin: gnomemeeting is one way
[08:12] <drspin> it is recognized by hotplug
[08:12] <Seabook> I see several linux kernel image packages for K7. I know I don't need the SMP ones, but there remain a few. What should I choose? I'm totally confused. o_0
[08:13] <jmob> Seabook: what ``serveral'' do you see?
[08:13] <jmob> Seabook: there should only be one for each kernel version
[08:13] <jmob> drspin: sudo apt-get install gnomemeeting
[08:14] <drspin> jmob: it's already isntalled :) and the cam works!
[08:15] <jmob> drspin: you can use netmeeting in windows to connect with your gf (assuming she has a windows computer where ever she is)
[08:15] <Seabook> jmob: linux-image-2.6-k7, linux-image-k7, and linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-k7... o_0
[08:16] <jmob> Seabook: try first two are probably some kind of base packages, you want the one with a full version number in it
[08:16] <jmob> Seabook: the first has only a partial version number, the second doesn't have a version number
[08:16] <jmob> Seabook: so... you always want the package that looks like the last one
[08:17] <crimsun> to clarify, the first two are metapackages
[08:17] <crimsun> you are safe installing any of the three
[08:18] <Seabook> jmob: ya, just figured out that the third one depends on the first one and the first one depends on the second one.
[08:18] <Seabook> meh
[08:18] <jmob> crimsun: so.. linux-image-2.6-k7 drags in whatever is the current kernel?
[08:18] <crimsun> jmob: yep. It's updated periodically.
[08:20] <Seabook> haha, I feel evil
[08:20] <Seabook> Can I uninstall initscripts? ;)
[08:20] <jmob> Seabook: yes
[08:20] <jmob> Seabook: why?
[08:21] <unperson> So, if you have a directory DIR, DIR/FOLDER is a subdirectory.  What is the term for DIR/FOLDER/OTHERFOLDER?  In other words, what's the term for all directories that are under DIR?  Is it also subdirectory, or does that only refer to the first tier?
[08:21] <Seabook> jmob: it's a good way to mess up my Linux installation, eh?
[08:21] <crimsun> unperson: "subdirectories"
[08:21] <jmob> Seabook: depends on what you remove
[08:21] <drspin> does skype support webcam?
[08:22] <drspin> jmob: she has a windows computer - what do I tell her to do, I never messed with netmeeting
[08:22] <jmob> drspin: I dunno, I've never tried it
[08:22] <drspin> jmob :D heh guess we're both in the same boat
[08:22] <jmob> drspin: http://www.gnomemeeting.org/
[08:22] <xed_ubuntu> Hey jmob.. I'm on ubuntu live...
[08:22] <GoneBoB> drspin: you want gnomemetting
[08:22] <xed_ubuntu> I tried what you said with the 'vga=normal'
[08:22] <xed_ubuntu> It did nothing. =(
[08:22] <drspin> GoneBoB: is there a windows port?
[08:23] <xed_ubuntu> My screen still went blank.
[08:23] <unperson> crimsun, Ok.  Just sort of realized I didn't know for sure.  :-)
[08:23] <GoneBoB> drspin: not afaik
[08:23] <crimsun> drspin: I don't think Skype does.
[08:23] <GoneBoB> it interoperates with netmeeting
[08:23] <GoneBoB> skype is only VoIP
[08:23] <thug_chief> hi
[08:23] <drspin> oh ok
[08:23] <drspin> so gnomemeeting it is
[08:24] <xed_ubuntu> jmob, you there?
[08:24] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: yeah
[08:25] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: how far does the install disc get?
[08:25] <xed_ubuntu> Well, I get to the splashscreen where I just type in 'linux' enter, but then you told me to try 'linux vga=normal' and then press enter.. and then all this stuff comes up...
[08:25] <xed_ubuntu> It loads something or the other...some text and whatnot..
[08:25] <xed_ubuntu> and then it just goes blank
[08:26] <xed_ubuntu> I know, its not very descriptive
[08:26] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: use the live cd to install ubuntu then
[08:26] <xed_ubuntu> But ... I don't really know whatelse to say.. it goes pretty fast.
[08:26] <xed_ubuntu> How do I go about doing that?
[08:27] <xed_ubuntu> Plus, I seem to have an issue..
[08:27] <xed_ubuntu> Seems my touchpad doesn't work.
[08:27] <xed_ubuntu> Only my USB ball mouse is working =(
[08:27] <xed_ubuntu> I'm pretty sure THIS is definitely a common issue..
[08:27] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: linux on laptops is pita
[08:27] <xed_ubuntu> What does that mean?
[08:28] <GoneBoB> pain in the arse
[08:28] <xed_ubuntu> Oh...
[08:28] <xed_ubuntu> Well, I do want it on my laptop.. mainly because my desktop sucks a lot..
[08:28] <xed_ubuntu> ..and the fact I like how smooth ubuntu seems to run, even on live cd..
[08:28] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: usually something doesn't work, and usually you have to devote some time to figuring out how to fix it, and usually it involves some linux/gnu savvy
[08:29] <xed_ubuntu> Well, how would I go about figuring this out.
[08:29] <xed_ubuntu> ...?
[08:29] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto
[08:30] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: you can try that, it should work the same for a ubuntu, or gnoppix live cd
[08:30] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: is psmouse loaded?
[08:30] <xed_ubuntu> what do you mean crimsun?
[08:31] <jmob> crimsun: run ``lsmod'' on a console, see if ``psmouse'' show up in the list
[08:31] <xed_ubuntu> (I'm very new to linux, sorry if I'm not giving the right responses)
[08:31] <xed_ubuntu> jmob: me or him?
[08:31] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: sorry, you
[08:31] <jmob> s/crimsun/xed_ubuntu/ ;)
[08:32] <xed_ubuntu> Again, I'm new.. trying to ditch windows and go linux.. so.. this stuff is like going over myhead, but I'm trying.
[08:33] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: lsmod tells what kernel modules are loaded, such as the module that'd add the functionality to the kernel that'd allow it to use your touchpad.
[08:33] <xed_ubuntu> jmob: no psmouse in list.
[08:33] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: sudo modprobe psmouse
[08:33] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: try ``sudo modprobe psmouse''
[08:34] <jmob> crimsun: would X have to be restarted?
[08:34] <crimsun> more than likely
[08:35] <xed_ubuntu> FATAL: Module psmouse not found.
[08:36] <xed_ubuntu> jmob, it says "FATAL: Module psmouse not found."
[08:36] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: warty (NOT the live cd, correct)?
[08:37] <xed_ubuntu> Not sure what warty means, but yes, I am on the live CD
[08:37] <crimsun> ok, I can't speak for the live cd, but it appears you must actually install Warty to get that functionality.
[08:38] <xed_ubuntu> Warty?
[08:38] <xed_ubuntu> ...err..
[08:38] <crimsun> quite a few notes on the wiki state you need the 'psmouse' kernel module loaded to use the touchpad.
[08:38] <crimsun> warty is the stable release codename.
[08:38] <xed_ubuntu> crimsun, well.. you see, I actually got this from a friend who ordered it and got it in the mail ... approximatley a week or so ago...
[08:39] <crimsun> you're on cable modem, so it's an easy download.
[08:39] <neighborlee> anyone else having problems with wine?...I've installed a game but its not finding the CD to be able to play..?..and I'm not finding a config file in my .wine DIR either ? ;-)
[08:39] <xed_ubuntu> how did--- not going to ask.. you people are too damn leet for me.
[08:40] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: what type of processor does that computer have?
[08:40] <xed_ubuntu> Intel Pentium 4 2.8GHz with HT.
[08:40] <xed_ubuntu> I can disable the HT if required.
[08:40] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso.torrent
[08:41] <xed_ubuntu> crimsun, how will that load.. on.. Ubuntu Live CD?
[08:41] <jmob> neighborlee: wine is too painful to be worthwhile
[08:41] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: no, you would download that
[08:41] <neighborlee> jmob, haha well essentially I dont disagree but..;-)lol
[08:41] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: burn that .iso image to a cd-r
[08:41] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: then boot from the cd-r and install warty
[08:41] <jmob> xed_ubuntu: you know how to use .torrents right?
[08:42] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: presuming, of course, you have at least 2 GB free HD space
[08:42] <jmob> crimsun: 2gb of unpartioned space?
[08:42] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: that midwest US mirror should be fastest for you, since you're in Canada
[08:42] <crimsun> jmob: yes.
[08:43] <jmob> I find that unlikely in his situation
[08:43] <xed_ubuntu> I have the Install CD crimsun...
[08:43] <xed_ubuntu> ._.
[08:43] <drspin> netmeeting comes with windows XP but it's hiding!!!
[08:43] <drspin> I found it though ;) she is please!
[08:43] <drspin> pleased!
[08:43] <xed_ubuntu> My friend got 10 live CD's..and 10 install CD's.. he gave me 5 of each.
[08:43] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: ...any reason you're using the live cd instead of the install cd?
[08:43] <drspin> ...impressed even!
[08:43] <jmob> crimsun: because the install cd doesn't work
[08:43] <xed_ubuntu> crimsun, thats why I originally came in here *sigh*
[08:44] <jmob> crimsun: the screen goes black at some point
[08:44] <crimsun> jmob: oh, that issue.
[08:44] <xed_ubuntu> The install cd, loads up and whatnot. I get to the splash screen, press enter.. -- and what jmob just said...
[08:44] <xed_ubuntu> crimsun, so can you help me?
[08:44] <crimsun> gimme a sec
[08:44] <xed_ubuntu> Thanks a lot for the help, appreciate it..
[08:44] <xed_ubuntu> While you try to do that, I'll try to see how to get my video and sound working.
[08:47] <xed_ubuntu> crimsun, are you still there?
[08:47] <jmob> http://alnk.org/crappyrhino
[08:47] <Seabook> Ubuntu doesn't want to change my root password. o.o
[08:47] <crimsun> xed_ubuntu: yes, just got back.
[08:47] <xed_ubuntu> crimsun, cool. Any luck with my issue?
[08:47] <crimsun> I have to read first :)
[08:48] <crimsun> (I'm also at work, so I need a bit of time)
[08:48] <jmob> Seabook: how are you trying to change it?
[08:48] <xed_ubuntulive> crimsun: haha, funny.. I was at work earlier too.. trying to get help issue on the same thing
[08:48] <Seabook> I would change the root password, then the new password would work for a while and the password is reverted to the old one after a few minutes.
[08:49] <Seabook> I change it in the "Users and Groups" thingy.
[08:49] <crimsun> xed_ubuntulive: laptop or desktop?
[08:49] <xed_ubuntulive> Laptop
[08:49] <crimsun> xed_ubuntulive: what's the max resolution for that lcd?
[08:49] <jmob> Seabook: run ``sudo passwd root'' at the console
[08:49] <xed_ubuntulive> Its a widescreen.
[08:50] <xed_ubuntulive> It goes to max 1280 by 800.
[08:50] <crimsun> xed_ubuntulive: and which laptop?
[08:50] <xed_ubuntulive> Toshiba Satellite A70.
[08:51] <Seabook> jmob: oh
[08:51] <crimsun> xed_ubuntulive: have you booted with `linux vga=771' ... ?
[08:51] <Seabook> xed_ubuntulive: Go! Toshiba, Go!
[08:51] <xed_ubuntulive> ...err..no I haven't.
[08:51] <jmob> crimsun: I told him to try vga=normal
[08:52] <xed_ubuntulive> Seabook, seemed like a good choice with the money I had and since I really haven't heard or read any thing bad about it.. I went with it..
[08:52] <xed_ubuntulive> crimsun, I tried what jmob told me.
[08:52] <xed_ubuntulive> Should I try what you said?
[08:52] <Seabook> I have an A70 too. :D
[08:52] <xed_ubuntulive> 2.8GHz?
[08:52] <Seabook> ya
[08:52] <xed_ubuntulive> Probably the same one.
[08:53] <Seabook> I don't think mine is HT though.
[08:53] <xed_ubuntulive> 40GB HDD, 512DDR RAM...?
[08:53] <Seabook> ya
[08:53] <xed_ubuntulive> I'm pretty sure it is.. I didn't know mine was HT.. nor did Futureshop, but when they found out.. heh.. they jacked up the price.  (AFTER I bought it.. heh)
[08:53] <crimsun> Seabook: it's running warty? if so, did you do anything to get the install working?
[08:53] <xed_ubuntulive> is it 15.4 widescreen?
[08:54] <Seabook> crimsun: heh, I'm not installing warty on my toshiba
[08:54] <Seabook> xed: ya
[08:54] <xed_ubuntulive> Why not?
[08:54] <xed_ubuntulive> I want it on my laptop. =(
[08:54] <xed_ubuntulive> the install cd does some weird things.. =(
[08:54] <Seabook> xed, does your A70 mention HT on the Intel Inside sticker?
[08:54] <xed_ubuntulive> haha, see! Thats what I thought too Seabook! But you're wrong!
[08:54] <xed_ubuntulive> Check your BIOS
[08:55] <xed_ubuntulive> It'll say "HT Enabled"
[08:55] <crimsun> xed_ubuntulive: two options: 1) vga=771 (or) 2) video=vga:off
[08:55] <xed_ubuntulive> Plus any game, program, whatever.. will tell you .. you have 2 processors running.
[08:55] <Seabook> gonna check with cpuz, hold on
[08:56] <xed_ubuntulive> crimsun, so .. I type in 'linux vga=771' or 'linux video=vga:off' and then press enter, yes?
[08:56] <crimsun> xed_ubuntulive: yup
[08:57] <xed_ubuntulive> alright, I better write this down, my short term memory sucks.
[08:57] <xed_ubuntulive> When I get this installed my other questions will probably be involving getting the sound card and the video files working..
[08:57] <crimsun> xed_ubuntulive: oh, in the second case, make that 'linux video=vga:off video=vesa:off'
[08:57] <Seabook> xed: I'd be damned...
[08:58] <xed_ubuntulive> Seabook, was i right or was i right?
[08:58] <xed_ubuntulive> heh
[08:58] <Seabook> xed: I thought only the motherboard was supporting HT, but the CPU was not.
[08:58] <Seabook> so I disabled HT in the BIOS
[08:58] <Seabook> let me restart and enable it again.
[09:00] <xed_ubuntulive> crimsun: so its.. 'linux video=vga:off video=vesa:off' <enter> for the second case?
[09:01] <xed_ubuntulive> ...guess so?
[09:01] <crimsun> yes
[09:02] <xed_ubuntulive> alright, then
[09:02] <xed_ubuntulive> brb
[09:02] <xed_ubuntulive> Thanks again for all the help. =)
[09:08] <Seabook> xed: lol
[09:08] <Seabook> CPU-Z really sees a 2nd logical CPU.
[09:08] <Seabook> nice.
[09:08] <Seabook> dude I paid cheap for a good P4 then.
[09:09] <Seabook> ... xed is gone. o.o
[09:11] <drspin> night all
[09:12] <crimsun> cya
[09:19] <crimsun> hmm.
[09:22] <dare2dreamer> quiet in here...
[09:23] <spikeb> yes it is
[09:23] <dare2dreamer> must be the hangovers, typing too noisy to bear.  ;-)
[09:24] <dare2dreamer> see? :-)
[09:25] <crimsun> it's Sunday. it won't pick up for another few hours.
[09:25] <dare2dreamer> gotcha.
[09:27] <dare2dreamer> guess I'll pop in later then.
[09:31] <nicedreams> If I install a package from source under debian/ubuntu, is there a way to have it be organized and tracked with apt?
[09:32] <crimsun> no
[09:32] <crimsun> that's why it's recommended you use packages or build from deb-src
[09:33] <nicedreams> deb-src? how do i do that?
[09:33] <nicedreams> is there a site i can learn that from?
[09:34] <spikeb>                                                                           hmm
[09:34] <spikeb> there might be
[09:35] <crimsun> nicedreams: what program did you compile and install from source?
[09:36] <nicedreams> haven't really looked recently.  I've ran into a few in the past.  I want to know how in case I need to again
[09:36] <nicedreams> i've ran into a few programs though
[09:37] <crimsun> ...
[09:37] <crimsun> um, you don't know what programs you compiled yourself?
[09:37] <crimsun> that makes it difficult to help you locate source
[09:37] <nicedreams> no..i haven't done that yet in this install
[09:37] <spikeb> heh
[09:37] <nicedreams> that's why i'm asking
[09:38] <nicedreams> :)
[09:38] <crimsun> 'checkinstall' is a rudimentary step
[09:38] <crimsun> but--
[09:38] <crimsun> it's first best to check if ubuntu offers those wanted packages before you run off, download the source, and compile it yourself
[09:39] <nicedreams> i do that.  i always try to get one from a repository first
[09:39] <nicedreams> i like to play with a lot of software to get fimiar with things and some software isn't offered in the repositories or deb packages
[09:39] <nicedreams> oh yea
[09:39] <nicedreams> another thing
[09:40] <nicedreams> if i install a deb package, how is it tracked or whatever?  Does apt have reference to it since it's a deb?
[09:41] <crimsun> nicedreams: if you install a deb, it's registered with dpkg
[09:41] <crimsun> nicedreams: dpkg provides lots of stats about such packages
[09:41] <crimsun> (the entire drive behind using a package manager)
[09:42] <nicedreams> k...so i just use dpkg for that then.  and apt is just for packages from repositories?  I was thinking it would do both, but that makes sense if not
[09:47] <ferris> does anyone know how long it takes to recieve the installation disks from Ubuntu?
[09:47] <crimsun> depends on when you ordered them
[09:47] <crimsun> how many did you order?
[09:47] <ferris> about a month ago
[09:47] <ferris> 200
[09:47] <crimsun> 200?!
[09:48] <crimsun> um
[09:48] <nicedreams> about 2 months
[09:48] <ferris> 100 for pc
[09:48] <ferris> and 100 for 64s
[09:48] <nicedreams> i'm waiting for 21 of them
[09:48] <ferris> ok
[09:48] <crimsun> dude, that probably read like abuse, ferris.
[09:48] <crimsun> 100 is a lot of CDs to request
[09:48] <ferris> it is the default
[09:49] <ferris> i think they are packaged in 100s
[09:49] <crimsun> that's a -lot- of CDs
[09:49] <Gwildor> 100 is the default???
[09:49] <Gwildor> it was like 10 when i ordered
[09:49] <nicedreams> i never saw 100 for a default
[09:50] <ferris> I build pc's i want to put it on the systems
[09:51] <fragment> I just did some PPD hacking to force grayscale & get decent margins with hpijs
[09:51] <crimsun> I'd say if you ordered them a month ago -- and with that large an order -- you're probably looking at mid-February
[09:51] <crimsun> but that's a wild conjecture on my part
[09:51] <crimsun> and I do emphasize wild
[09:52] <fragment> The default CUPS margins give a .5 inch bottom margin with HP inkjets.  Foomatic gives 2/3 inch.
[09:52] <ferris> hopefully not that long crimsun, but atleast i have some burned already
[09:52] <fragment> ...which is just enough to crop most footers (Firefox, et. al.)
[09:53] <fragment> Plus, sharing a monochrome printer using hpijs wouldn't correctly default the colorspace on other clients.
[09:53] <bleh> is crimsun still here?
[09:53] <crimsun> yep
[09:53] <crimsun> what's up?
[09:53] <bleh> guess what?
[09:54] <bleh> Thanks to your's and jmob's help, I got it installed =)
[09:54] <bleh> I am now running on a installed version of ubuntu =)
[09:54] <bleh> But now, I have a few issues to take care of. =|
[09:54] <bleh> Think you could help me out?
[09:55] <crimsun> sure
[09:55] <crimsun> what's up?
[09:55] <ferris> does ubuntu have a live cd?
[09:55] <crimsun> ferris: yes, see the download page.
[09:55] <nicedreams> ea
[09:55] <nicedreams> yea
[09:55] <nicedreams> it sucks
[09:55] <ferris> ouch
[09:56] <bleh> I don't know, i liked the live cd, but am loving the installed version
[09:56] <ferris> nicedreams, is it have you tried the knoppix live-cd?
[09:56] <bleh> crimsun, first and foremost, thank you.
[09:56] <crimsun> (that's a bit of an exaggeration)
[09:56] <bleh> crimsun, me?
[09:56] <ferris> I like the installed version
[09:56] <crimsun> (the live cd works in common cases, but it's by no means a substitute for a real Warty install)
[09:57] <crimsun> xed: what do you need assistance with?
[09:57] <xed> my touchpad =(
[09:57] <xed> it doesn't work
[09:57] <crimsun> did you load 'psmouse'?
[09:57] <xed> I did the lsmod thing again in the terminal, it showed psmouse thing
[09:58] <crimsun> ok.
[09:58] <xed> psmouse                17800  0
[09:59] <xed> crimsun, you there?
[09:59] <crimsun> yes, hold on
[09:59] <crimsun> (I'm at work)
[09:59] <xed> Oh right.
[10:02] <xed> ...
[10:02] <crimsun> (just hold)
[10:03] <xed> Doing so, just tell me when you're done.  =)
[10:04] <crimsun> xed: could you paste /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 onto pastebin?
[10:04] <xed> pastebin?
[10:04] <crimsun> pastebin.com
[10:04] <xed> into the 'name' part?
[10:05] <crimsun> name is your irc nick
[10:05] <xed> sorry, into the code part?
[10:05] <crimsun> code is the conffile
[10:06] <xed> ...
[10:06] <xed> so you want me to type in ' /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ' into the terminal?
[10:06] <crimsun> sigh
[10:06] <crimsun> could you dcc it to me?
[10:06] <xed> Sorry, again.. completely new to this.
[10:07] <xed> Don't.. think I need to DCC anything
[10:07] <crimsun> well, I need to see your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 somehow
[10:07] <xed> bash: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4: Permission denied
[10:07] <crimsun> you could upload it to a web site, or dcc it to me, or email it, or ...
[10:07] <xed> I did what you told me =|
[10:08] <rm6990> xed: use gedit or something, even a web browser, to open the file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:08] <rm6990> then cut and paste everything into pastebin
[10:08] <xed> *sigh* I just realized something.. I am still in windows mode =(
[10:09] <xed> get that crimsun?
[10:11] <crimsun> xed: yep
[10:11] <crimsun> xed: the first thing you should do is make a backup copy of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:11] <xed> Sorry about the.. err.. stupidity
[10:11] <xed> ...
[10:11] <crimsun> xed: sudo cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.bak
[10:11] <xed> Thank you
[10:12] <xed> now it asks me for a password
[10:12] <xed> I put in the password of the username I'm logged in with...
[10:12] <crimsun> xed: then edit it and change the Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" line in the second Section "InputDevice" definition to Option "Protocol" "explorerps/2"
[10:13] <xed> edit it!?
[10:13] <crimsun> yes, like you'd edit a term paper
[10:13] <xed> wait wait-
[10:14] <xed> crimsun, I'm assuming its backed up because it gave me no errors when I put in the password.
[10:14] <crimsun> that's fine
[10:14] <crimsun> that's correct.
[10:15] <crimsun> you could now do:
[10:15] <crimsun> sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:16] <xed> okay, it opened it up
[10:16] <crimsun> ok, scroll down to the second Section "InputDevice"
[10:16] <xed> i'm there
[10:18] <crimsun> ok, this is the section for your Synaptics Touchpad
[10:18] <xed> Yep, I somewhat understand that..
[10:18] <crimsun> in the line Option "Protocol" "auto-dev", change "auto-dev" to "explorerps/2"
[10:19] <xed> save?
[10:20] <xed> crimsun: anything else I should modify?
[10:21] <crimsun> nope, that's all you need to modify
[10:21] <crimsun> save it and exit
[10:21] <xed> ctrl+o to save right?
[10:21] <xed> Can't quite recal..
[10:21] <crimsun> ctrl+x for exit if I remember
[10:21] <crimsun> it will ask you to save it
[10:22] <xed> now.. what do I do?
[10:22] <crimsun> you're back at prompt?
[10:22] <xed> Yes sir, I am.
[10:22] <crimsun> sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[10:22] <xed> Will this restart my computer? -_-
[10:22] <crimsun> no, just the display manager for X Windows
[10:23] <xed> ...I don't know what that means but OKAY
[10:23] <crimsun> if you're logged in through an X client, you'll be logged out
[10:23] <crimsun> just log back in
[10:23] <crimsun> ...sure 'nuff
[10:23] <Agrajag> sharp as a sack of wet mice
[10:29] <xed> OKay, so that didn't go so well..
[10:29] <xed> I had to hard boot >.<
[10:29] <xed> crimsun, you have to warn me about these things..
[10:29] <xed> It asked me to log into something.. I did..
[10:30] <xed> I was stuck in this prompt.
[10:30] <xed> No GUI. =(
[10:30] <xed> and.. you're at work. =|
[10:30] <crimsun> no, I'm just reading
[10:30] <Agrajag> startx
[10:30] <xed> oh..
[10:30] <crimsun> so you restarted X Windows, and it froze on you?
[10:30] <xed> Yeah, sorry
[10:30] <xed> See, if I KNEW how to restart it..
[10:30] <xed> I would
[10:30] <xed> Except it took me to this prompt.. or something
[10:31] <xed> something black.. and white
[10:31] <xed> and had some sort of hostname..
[10:31] <xed> it asked for username
[10:31] <xed> and I put mine in
[10:31] <crimsun> yeah, that's the standard commandline.
[10:31] <xed> and then I put in password
[10:31] <xed> pressed enter
[10:31] <crimsun> so you're back in X Windows?
[10:31] <xed> I typed in 'X' it ..did nothing. =(
[10:31] <xed> So I hardbooted
[10:31] <xed> and now I think I have to edit that file again
[10:31] <crimsun> well, are you back in GNOME?
[10:32] <Agrajag> startx is the script that starts X
[10:32] <xed> Gnome.. meaning...?
[10:32] <Agrajag> X by itself won't do it
[10:32] <crimsun> xed: the graphical interface
[10:32] <xed> crimsun, I believe so. I'm not using any text based thing in any terminal or anything. I believe this client for IRC is called 'xchat'.
[10:33] <crimsun> right, so you're in gnome
[10:33] <xed> Yes, yes I am.
[10:33] <crimsun> ...and the touchpad still doesn't work, correct?
[10:33] <xed> no, no it doesn't.
[10:33] <crimsun> are you using an external mouse?
[10:33] <xed> I believe thats because I had to hardboot to get back into the gnome.
[10:33] <xed> Yes, an external USB ball mouse.
[10:34] <xed> What was the ......err...
[10:34] <xed> the location of that file to edit
[10:35] <crimsun> /etc/X11/XF86Config-5
[10:35] <crimsun> err
[10:35] <crimsun> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:35] <xed> Thank you
[10:35] <crimsun> try changing "explorerps/2" to "auto"
[10:36] <crimsun> oh wait
[10:36] <xed> ...
[10:36] <xed>         Option          "Protocol"              "explorerps/2"
[10:36] <crimsun> yeah, change that back to "auto-dev"
[10:36] <crimsun> sorry
[10:36] <crimsun> I misread something
[10:36] <crimsun> need to look for something, sec
[10:36] <xed> done
[10:38] <crimsun> xed: check /proc/bus/input/devices
[10:39] <crimsun> xed: make sure you have AlpsPS/2 ...
[10:39] <crimsun> xed: also, cat /proc/cmdline
[10:40] <xed> cat.. cat.. doesn't.. that create some sort of file?
[10:41] <crimsun> no, it lists the contents of the file
[10:41] <crimsun> xed: and I see part of the problem.
[10:41] <crimsun> xed: your touchpad isn't being recognized at all
[10:41] <xed> I think I see it too...or.. I think I do
[10:41] <crimsun> xed: is it disabled in bios?
[10:41] <xed> bios?
[10:41] <xed> I .. don't believe so. I can check.
[10:42] <xed> But wait-- then I have to restart all over again =(
[10:42] <crimsun> ok, before you do that, do this:
[10:42] <crimsun> echo psmouse | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[10:42] <xed> it shows psmouse
[10:42] <crimsun> and you changed "explorerps/2" back to "auto-dev", correct?
[10:42] <xed> Yes sir, I did.
[10:42] <crimsun> ok.
[10:43] <xed> now what else do I do?
[10:43] <crimsun> reboot your laptop
[10:44] <xed> ...
[10:44] <xed> Is there any way I can skip all the checks it does when I'm rebooting?
[10:44] <crimsun> xed: log out, and choose reboot
[10:44] <crimsun> (or restart)
[10:44] <xed> I hope this skips it...that stuff takes relatively long.
[10:45] <xed> brb
[10:45] <Josip> trying to compile PHP-5.0.3 but i get this error when i try <make>
[10:45] <Josip> /home/dzogi/Krcka/php-5.0.3/ext/mysqli/mysqli.c:843: error: `LOCAL_INFILE_ERROR_LEN' undeclared (first use in this function)
[10:45] <Josip> make: *** [ext/mysqli/mysqli.lo]  Error 1
[10:47] <xed> Okay, rebooted.
[10:47] <crimsun> any luck?
[10:47] <xed> crimsun: touchpad still not working
[10:47] <crimsun> xed: all right, please paste your /var/log/XFree86.0.log on pastebin.com
[10:48] <xed> Got it crimsun?
[10:49] <crimsun> yep
[10:49] <xed> (EE) Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device
[10:49] <xed> That.. doesn't look right to me.
[10:49] <xed> Seems it might be something in the bios. =(
[10:50] <Josip> any ideas about my problem ?
[10:50] <crimsun> yep
[10:50] <crimsun> xed: check bios and enable it
[10:50] <xed> brb
[10:50] <Josip> or maybe a php5 .deb package ?
[10:50] <xed> what be that?
[10:51] <xed> Let me check Bios
[10:51] <crimsun> Josip: I don't know of any php5 debs
[10:51] <xed> brb
[10:51] <crimsun> Josip: try googling for that compile error
[10:51] <Josip> there's a repo. with php5 but for apache 1.3
[10:52] <crimsun> try grabbing the deb-src and migrating it against whatever software you're using
[10:52] <crimsun> I presume apache2?
[10:52] <Josip> yes .
[10:53] <Josip> http://www.phpdiscuss.com/article.php?id=61744&group=php.bugs
[10:54] <xed> well, I checked bios..
[10:54] <xed> bios doesn't really have a feature to disable
[10:54] <crimsun> Josip: I'm familiar with neither apache nor php, so I'm not going to be of much help.
[10:55] <crimsun> xed: cat /proc/cmdline
[10:55] <xed> crimsun: root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=771 quiet splash
[10:57] <Adrenal> ever since i updated firefox from the instructions from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UpgradingToFirefox10/view?searchterm=firefox%201.0
[10:57] <xed> crimsun: Thats what it says when I typed that into the terminal
[10:57] <crimsun> xed: right.
[10:57] <Adrenal> i can't install extensions
[10:57] <crimsun> xed: hmm, it may be that you need a newer version of the synaptics driver.
[10:58] <xed> ...
[10:58] <Adrenal> does anyone have any ideas as to how to remedy this?
[10:59] <xed> crimsun: Where would I go about getting it?
[10:59] <xed> Tried .. google.. somewhat.
[11:00] <crimsun> Adrenal: read the changelog for information about extensions with Debian's/Ubuntu's 'mozilla-firefox' 1.0+
[11:00] <crimsun> Adrenal: /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox/changelog.Debian.gz
[11:00] <crimsun> xed: sec
[11:00] <Josip> wihout --with-mysqli i get this erro
[11:00] <Josip> r
[11:00] <Josip> ext/libxml/libxml.lo: file not recognized: File truncated
[11:00] <Josip> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[11:00] <Josip> make: *** [libphp5.la]  Error 1
[11:00] <Josip> same as yesterday
[11:00] <Josip> any ideas why ?
[11:00] <crimsun> Josip: I don't, sorry. Try asking in #php ?
[11:00] <xed> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/25/2004/11/4/238644 <-- going to try this
[11:01] <crimsun> xed: yes, you should disable legacy usb support
[11:01] <crimsun> (in bios)
[11:01] <sap> has anyone had problems with thinkpads crashing when using the battery?
[11:02] <Josip> my thinkpad has arrived yesterday, still haven't installed ubuntu on it ;-)
[11:02] <xed> I think it might alread be disabled, can't quite remember, but better safe than sorry
[11:02] <crimsun> sap: which model?
[11:03] <Adrenal> crimsun:nothing there
[11:03] <sap> Josip: what's wrong with you? :)
[11:03] <Adrenal> is it on their site?
[11:03] <sap> crimsun: X31
[11:03] <crimsun> sap: don't see anything on the wiki. Tried googling?
[11:04] <crimsun> Adrenal: err, sorry, it's in README.Debian
[11:05] <Adrenal> where is that located?
[11:05] <sap> crimsun: i have yeah, but I'm not sure what to search for ... I suppose it must be related to acpi. I've just removed acpi from the kernel and will see whether it happens again.
[11:05] <crimsun> Adrenal: /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox/README.Debian
[11:06] <Adrenal> i don't have a /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox folder
[11:06] <sap> crimsun: the hard disk light is always on at the time of the crash and the system just freezes solid.
[11:06] <jmob> Are there any files beside /etc/hosts /etc/exports and /etc/hosts.deny that are involved whether a system can connect via rpc?
[11:06] <neighborlee> even though /usr/local/bin/ is set in my PATH statement typing: wine < is only looking in /usr/bin ???
[11:06] <Adrenal> could u possibly dc me yours or something?
[11:06] <jmob> root@blacksun:~ # netcat 192.168.1.6 111
[11:06] <jmob> (UNKNOWN) [192.168.1.6]  111 (sunrpc) : Connection refused
[11:06] <xed> oh man, are you going to hate me for this crimsun...
[11:07] <xed> I am SO damn sorry I wasted so much of your time.
[11:07] <xed> It seems the issue was right there in the BIOS
[11:07] <jmob> that's on the server itself, the servers IP is 192.168.1.6, ``netcat localhost 111'' works fine.
[11:07] <xed> touchpad a-ok =)
[11:08] <xed> Don't hurt me. =(
[11:08] <crimsun> 'sok.
[11:08] <xed> now onto a few more issues =(
[11:08] <xed> Soundcard..
[11:08] <xed> no work. =(
[11:09] <jmob> xed: post the output of lspci to rafb.net/paste
[11:09] <crimsun> jmob: you probably need to reconfigure portmap, too, which by default listens only on 127.0.0.1
[11:10] <jmob> crimsun: that's an annoying default, thanks
[11:10] <crimsun> np
[11:11] <xed> crimsun: So where would I start .. to resolve my sound issue?
[11:11] <xed> lsmod?
[11:12] <jmob> xed: do what I told you to do
[11:12] <jmob> xed: paste the output of ``lspci'' to rafb.net/paste
[11:12] <xed> You told me that? Mybad..
[11:12] <jmob> xed: pretty please :)
[11:12] <xed> I'm scared...
[11:12] <xed> I don't like the way he's asking me to do it O.o
[11:13] <xed> meh, but whatever
[11:13] <xed> not like I have anything on this computer to lose
[11:13] <crimsun> xed: after you do what jmob asked, do: lsmod|grep snd_atiixp
[11:14] <xed> jmob: http://pastebin.com/193517
[11:14] <xed> crimsun: Want the results on pastebin?
[11:15] <crimsun> yep
[11:15] <Adrenal> can someone send me there /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox/README.debian file?
[11:15] <xed> http://pastebin.com/193518
[11:16] <xed> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/193518 There you go =)
[11:16] <crimsun> Adrenal: you don't have one?
[11:16] <crimsun> xed: reading
[11:16] <Adrenal> crimsun: nah, folder is not there
[11:16] <Adrenal> it just isn't
[11:16] <Adrenal> i don't know why
[11:16] <Adrenal> frankly, i prefer not to know
[11:16] <crimsun> Adrenal: dpkg -L mozilla-firefox|grep 'README.Debian'
[11:16] <jmob> xed: try running alsamixer
[11:17] <jmob> xed: see if everything is muted since the modules for your sound card appear to be loaded!
[11:17] <Adrenal> crimsun: and?
[11:18] <jmob> Adrenal: that'll tell you the location of the README on your system
[11:18] <jmob> Adrenal: then you can read it
[11:18] <xed> crimsun: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[11:18] <Adrenal> it just ended and started a new user@ubuntu
[11:18] <Adrenal> evidently
[11:18] <Adrenal> its not there
[11:19] <xed> got it crimsun?
[11:19] <jmob> Adrenal: did you hear me?
[11:19] <jmob> s/Adrenal/xed/
[11:19] <Adrenal> eh?
[11:19] <Adrenal> u said it would tell me the location
[11:20] <Adrenal> but nothing showed up
[11:20] <crimsun> Adrenal: http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/README.Debian
[11:20] <jmob> Adrenal: I meant to direct that at xed
[11:20] <Adrenal> ah thanks
[11:20] <jmob> xed: did you see if your mixer had everything muted?
[11:20] <xed> ...
[11:20] <xed> the little icon on the top right?
[11:20] <jmob> xed: run ``alsamixer''
[11:20] <jmob> xed: at the console
[11:21] <jmob> or use gnome mixer or something
[11:21] <crimsun> xed: please paste the output of `cat /proc/interrupts' to pastebin
[11:21] <xed> jmob:
[11:21] <xed> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[11:22] <xed> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/193519
[11:22] <jmob> xed: linux doesn't see your sound card
[11:22] <Adrenal> jmob: no, thats not what i ment
[11:23] <Adrenal> when i go to the firefox extensions page
[11:23] <xed> jmob: That makes no sense to me...I'm not kidding.. NONE.
[11:23] <Adrenal> i can't install new extensions
[11:23] <crimsun> xed: please paste onto pastebin the output from `dmesg|grep irq'
[11:23] <jmob> xed: it just means that linux isn't seeing your sound card
[11:24] <jmob> xed: i.e. it's present in the computer but for some reason linux doesn't know it's there
[11:24] <xed> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/193522
[11:24] <xed> jmob: so how do I get linux to recognize that the sound card is there?
[11:24] <jmob> xed: I think crimsun is getting there
[11:24] <xed> jmob: Thank you =)
[11:25] <jmob> xed: he's instructing you on how to get the req. information so that he can see what's wrong
[11:25] <xed> So it seems.
[11:25] <crimsun> xed: ok, you don't appear to have the bug I was looking for. Do you plan to use a printer from the laptop?
[11:25] <Adrenal> bah, thanks anyway, i think the problem mst be unigue to my rig
[11:26] <xed> crimsun: sometime in the future, but ...not anytime soo-- actually...
[11:26] <xed> Yes, I think I do .. very soon.
[11:26] <crimsun> hmm.
[11:26] <xed> Family member have been bugging me about it since old desktop doesn't seem to be compatible with the new printer/scanner/etc..
[11:26] <xed> It connects via USB.
[11:26] <crimsun> oh good.
[11:27] <xed> Aye =)
[11:27] <crimsun> you need a free irq for your sound chipset, which it's not getting
[11:27] <xed> crimsun: ...that means...?
[11:27] <crimsun> so we're going to steal it from the printer port by disabling it in the bios.
[11:27] <xed> -_-
[11:27] <xed> man, I hope I never need that port..
[11:28] <xed> okay, so what exactly am I looking for to disable?
[11:28] <jmob> xed: you probably won't unless you plan on connecting to parallel port printer
[11:28] <xed> Which I doubt jmob.
[11:28] <crimsun> you're going to disable the parallel printer port in bios.
[11:28] <xed> Alrighty then, brb.. I'm going to see what I can do...
[11:33] <xed> well, I disabled it crimsun
[11:33] <xed> The Parallel Port that is.
[11:34] <jmob> xed: what's the output of ``cat /proc/interupts'' now?
[11:34] <Friczy> Hi
[11:35] <Friczy> I have some problems with hal-device-manager. Can someone help me with it?
[11:35] <xed> crimsun: 'cat: /proc/interupts: No such file or directory' <-- output.
[11:35] <crimsun> (two rs)
[11:35] <jmob> cat /proc/interrupts
[11:36] <xed> http://pastebin.com/193523   <-- output
[11:37] <crimsun> argh.
[11:37] <xed> I'm .. sorry?
[11:37] <crimsun> why do I keep mixing up acpi and stuff
[11:37] <crimsun> nothing
[11:37] <crimsun> well, the disabling of the printer port wasn't necessary, but it won't hurt now
[11:37] <xed> Alrighty
[11:37] <xed> I'll remember to enable it.. sometime later then.
[11:37] <xed> So.. what do I do now?
[11:38] <crimsun> xed: cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:38] <crimsun> xed: does it say no soundcards?
[11:38] <xed> Yes, thats what it says
[11:38] <xed> --- no soundcards ---
[11:38] <xed> That.. can't be good.
[11:39] <crimsun> xed: did you paste the output of `lsmod'?
[11:39] <xed> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/193524
[11:42] <xed> ...?
[11:42] <crimsun> xed: all right
[11:42] <xed> you have a solution to me problem then?
[11:42] <crimsun> I don't believe so
[11:42] <xed> Hmm... that's.. not good.
[11:42] <crimsun> you _may_ be able to resolve it by using a new version of ALSA
[11:42] <xed> ...ALSA..?
[11:42] <crimsun> if you can wait 30 mins, I can continue troubleshooting
[11:43] <crimsun> but I'm off work
[11:43] <xed> So.. 30 minutes.. meaning..?
[11:43] <crimsun> (I have to drive home)
[11:43] <xed> Yes, so then at home you'll help?
[11:43] <crimsun> I can try
[11:43] <crimsun> I'll be back in 30 or less.
[11:43] <xed> Until then, this ALSA...
[11:43] <xed> I shall look into it myself or try and bug jmob about it.
[11:44] <xed> Thanks again for all the help
[11:44] <crimsun> ALSA is the "sound stuff"
[11:44] <jmob> crimsun: you don't think it's the acpi bug?
[11:44] <xed> I'm going to try and stay awake..
[11:44] <crimsun> jmob: it could be, but that usually spits out something to dmesg.
[11:44] <jmob> crimsun:  http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:SoeJ9JfTgpQJ:ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3416.html+snd_atiixp++no+sound+card&hl=en&client=firefox-a
[11:44] <xed> I've been awake for nearly 2 days now, so that can't be good.. but this sound issue.. being resolved would make my work day a lot better.
[11:45] <jmob> xed: geez, go to sleep
[11:45] <jmob> xed: you'll never retain any of this
[11:45] <xed> jmob: meh
[11:45] <crimsun> hmm.
[11:45] <xed> I'd rather just resolve the sound issue atleast.
[11:45] <xed> So atleast I have something to do at work.
[11:45] <crimsun> some people say "pci=noacpi" didn't work and one should try "noapic"
[11:46] <crimsun> in any case, back in a bit.
[11:46] <xed> indeed
[11:46] <xed> thanks again for all the help...
[11:46] <xed> jmob: now, how do I get something done in linux? or this ALSA..what be this?
[11:47] <jmob> xed: really, if you've been up for that long I'd suggest sleeping
[11:47] <xed> Meh, I've gone longer.
[11:47] <jmob> xed: you're gonna have a hard time getting any benefit out of this experience w/ such little sleep.
[11:47] <xed> I'll stay another hour or so..
[11:47] <jmob> xed: at least, I would.
[11:47] <xed> jmob: I've gone longer for a lot dumber reasons...
[11:48] <xed> You'd think I'd learn, eh?
[11:48] <jmob> xed: maybe, I do the same thing occasionally, but it's usually worse for me.
[11:48] <jmob> xed: since I apparently need more sleep than most people
[11:49] <xed> That.. can't be good.
[11:49] <xed> jmob: You know in windows how you install something?
[11:49] <xed> how do you go about doing this in ..ubuntu.. or generally in linux?
[11:49] <jmob> xed: I feel like I absorb much less when I'm lacking sleep.
[11:50] <jmob> xed: generally everything is done through your package manager.
[11:50] <jmob> xed: since your distrobution should package all software for you.
[11:51] <xed> but what about this 'ALSA'
[11:51] <xed> ?
[11:51] <jmob> xed: there's not as much of a concept of going to websites and downloading stuff, although it's still there, for some things that you might want that you're distrobution doesn't package for you.
[11:51] <jmob> xed: you already have alsa, alsa is the ``advanced linux sound arcitecture'', it's part of the linux kernel.
[11:51] <jmob> xed: any module prefixed with ``snd'' is an alsa module
[11:52] <xed> ...
[11:52] <xed> I think it just might be a codec issue...
[11:52] <jmob> xed: Why?
[11:53] <jmob> xed: I think we've establish that linux isn't seeing your sound card properly for some reason.
[11:53] <jmob> xed: it initially detects it, but it doesn't show up anywhere in any of the subsystems that it should.
[11:53] <jmob> xed: post your /boot/grub/menu.lst file to the pasetbin
[11:53] <jmob> pastebin even
[11:53] <xed> jmob: http://fzr.cc/mem/Fuzedx/Screenshot.png
[11:54] <xed> jmob: bash: /boot/grub/menu.lst: Permission denied
[11:55] <jmob> xed: that could be another problem, but given previous information, the previously made conclusions would precede that problem.
[11:55] <xed> Hmm..
[11:55] <jmob> xed: you need to be root to read it
[11:55] <xed> Okay, so how do I go about.. you know... fixing it? heh
[11:56] <xed> Sorry, not trying to sound rude.. just not sure of what other words to use.
[11:56] <jmob> xed: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:56] <xed> want it in pastebin?
[11:57] <jmob> yes
[11:57] <xed> http://pastebin.com/193530
[11:57] <xed> FISH?
[11:57] <xed> ..can't be the same Fish, impossible.
[11:57] <Fish__> no
[11:57] <xed> jmob: http://pastebin.com/193530 <-- there it is.
[11:57] <Fish__> someone else
[11:58] <jmob> xed: k
[11:58] <xed> Most likely.
[11:59] <xed> Reading it, I presume jmob?
[12:00] <jmob> xed: cd /boot/grub
[12:00] <jmob> xed: sudo wget http://cat.ece.unm.edu:8080/~jmob/menu.lst
[12:00] <xed> Done
[12:01] <xed> jmob: done
[12:02] <jmob> xed: http://cat.ece.unm.edu:8080/~jmob/menu.lst
[12:02] <jmob> xed: that's what I changed
[12:02] <jmob> xed: as per this webpage http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:SoeJ9JfTgpQJ:ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3416.html+snd_atiixp++no+sound+card&hl=en&client=firefox-a
[12:03] <jmob> xed: you'll notice some people where having similar trouble with the same sound modules that you use
[12:03] <jmob> xed: so... now you need to run ``sudo update-grub'' and reboot
[12:04] <xed> okay, jmob
[12:04] <xed> now all I see is
[12:04] <xed> >
[12:04] <xed> and the cursor
[12:05] <xed> wait wait-- mybad
[12:05] <xed> rebooting time
[12:05] <xed> brb
[12:08] <VirtualDarKness> hi, I have a problem and can't figoure out if it is a disk (hardware) problem or a ubuntu (hoary on reiser fs) (software) one..
[12:08] <jmob> VirtualDarKness: what's the problem
[12:09] <jmob> xed: What happened!? You took so long.
[12:09] <xed> Was.. that sarcasm?
[12:09] <jmob> xed: no I was worried I screwed up your grub config... :)
[12:10] <VirtualDarKness> when I start ubuntu (for now it is happened only with it) the hard disk makes a strange sound like when it goes in standby
[12:10] <xed> .. oh shit
[12:10] <VirtualDarKness> and then I get many errors from kernel and reiserfs related stuff
[12:10] <xed> What does the grub config exactly do?
[12:10] <jmob> VirtualDarKness: sounds like faulty HD
[12:10] <VirtualDarKness> I already done te powermax (it is a maxtor) quick test and it passed it
[12:10] <xed> ...
[12:10] <xed> Ahoyhoy?
[12:11] <VirtualDarKness> jmob, yes to me too but the hard disk has less than 6 month :P
[12:11] <xed> crimsun, is back?
[12:11] <jmob> VirtualDarKness: ran reiserfsck on it?
[12:11] <VirtualDarKness> not yet
[12:11] <crimsun> xed: now I am
[12:11] <crimsun> any progress?
[12:12] <VirtualDarKness> jmob, I can't get to a console.. should I try the rescue mode?
[12:12] <VirtualDarKness> (now I'm downloading a live distro and doing some backup)
[12:12] <xed> crimsun, You tell me.
[12:13] <crimsun> ?
[12:13] <gsuveg> ryan: ping
[12:13] <xed> None.
[12:13] <xed> jmob just said something about screwing up my grub config.
[12:13] <VirtualDarKness> jmob, another strange things is that is seems to happen only with ubuntu, can it be because of the position of the partition in the disk?
[12:13] <crimsun> xed: what did you change?
[12:13] <xed> Maybe I misread? I don't quite know.
[12:14] <xed> I don't quite know. I ..something with the grub config.
[12:14] <xed> He changed it.
[12:14] <crimsun> xed: (jmob was joking about screwing it up)
[12:14] <xed> Yeah, I hope so...I'm already lost as it is.
[12:14] <xed> I just want this sound working.
[12:14] <xed> crimsun: Know what I could do.. or no?
[12:14] <sap> what the chances of loosing files from a partition I want to increase using fdisk?
[12:15] <jmob> xed: wget http://cat.ece.unm.edu:8080/~jmob/soundcardinfo.sh
[12:15] <jmob> xed: sh soundcardinfo.sh
[12:15] <jmob> xed: paste output to pastebin
[12:16] <xed> jmob: http://pastebin.com/193534
[12:17] <xed> I'll note that this also says -- no sound cards -- at the bottom
[12:17] <jmob> xed: grep /boot/grub/menu.lst 'noacpi'
[12:18] <xed> jmob: grep: noacpi: No such file or directory
[12:18] <jmob> xed: grep 'noacpi' /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:18] <jmob> whoops...
[12:19] <goonie> I need help badly.. all of a sudden I can't log in to Gnome! I get the following error after putting in my username and password:
[12:19] <goonie> "GDM could not write to your authorization file."
[12:19] <goonie> "This could mean that you are out of disk space or that your home directory could not be opened for writing."
[12:19] <xed> jmob: This does absolutelynothing.
[12:19] <xed> or so it seems
[12:19] <xed> jmob: what do I do?
[12:19] <jmob> xed: repaste your menu.lst
[12:19] <xed> err..
[12:20] <jmob> goonie: so, are you out of diskspace?
[12:20] <xed> jmob: my menu.lst?
[12:20] <xed> Remind me as to how I go about doing this?
[12:20] <jmob> xed: you need sleep!
[12:20] <goonie> jmob: no shouldn't be.. haven't downloaded anything lately
[12:20] <xed> jmob: Yes, well you would imagine..
[12:20] <jmob> goonie: log in to a console and fun ``df -h''
[12:21] <jmob> goonie: see if anything says 100%
[12:21] <goonie> jmob: that'
[12:21] <jmob> xed: you should be able to remember that ;) ``sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst''
[12:21] <goonie> 's what I was gonna do but I can't get into console..
[12:21] <goonie> just don't know how :$
[12:21] <jmob> goonie: ctrl+alt+f1
[12:22] <mcarugno> Hi there, happy 2005 !
[12:22] <xed> jmob: http://pastebin.com/193538
[12:22] <xed> My short term memory is out.  The backup left me around 20 to 30 minutes ago..
[12:23] <jmob> xed: something didn't happen the way it was supposed to
[12:23] <mcarugno> How many CDs has Ubuntu ? Just one ?
[12:23] <mupe> goonie: I've had similar issues, try renaming .ICEauthority in your home dir
[12:23] <crimsun> jmob: did you ask him to try the "pci=noacpi" or the "noapic"?
[12:23] <jmob> xed: notice that you don't have 'pci=acpi' anywhere...
[12:23] <jmob> xed: err 'pci=noacpi'
[12:23] <xed> Sure.
[12:23] <jmob> crimsun: I tried
[12:24] <goonie> jmob: you were right... /dev/hda2 100% .... but that is weird because I haven't downloaded anything :O
[12:24] <jmob> xed: are you sure you changed directories to /boot/grub before you ran the wget command?
[12:24] <xed> ...whoops
[12:24] <mcarugno> How many CDs has Ubuntu ? Just one ?
[12:24] <crimsun> xed: on line 63, add "pci=noacpi" to the end of the line
[12:24] <crimsun> mcarugno: just 1
[12:24] <jmob> xed: you don't really need the wget command http://cat.ece.unm.edu:8080/~jmob/menu.lst.diff
[12:25] <jmob> xed: you just need to change that line and run ``sudo update-grub''
[12:25] <crimsun> xed: without the double quotes
[12:25] <xed> change what line?
[12:25] <xed> oh wait--
[12:25] <xed> i see
[12:25] <xed> line 63
[12:25] <jmob> xed: look at this http://cat.ece.unm.edu:8080/~jmob/menu.lst.diff
[12:25] <crimsun> yep, the line that begins with # kopt ...
[12:25] <jmob> xed: it's line 59
[12:25] <crimsun> (I'm going by your pastebin output)
[12:26] <jmob> crimsun: I'm going by the diff of his menu.lst
[12:26] <jmob> xed: anyway, to be sure, like crimsun said it should be the line that begins with '# kopt'
[12:27] <mcarugno> What kernel verion is the default for Ubuntu ? 2 .4 or 2.6 ?
[12:27] <xed> Wait wait-- what?
[12:27] <jmob> ...
[12:27] <xed> ...
[12:27] <mcarugno> kernel version
[12:27] <xed> You lost me
[12:27] <xed> line.. 63?
[12:28] <xed> Thats where i get lost.
[12:28] <e-Jah> saluuuut
[12:28] <crimsun> mcarugno: 2.6.8.1
[12:28] <mcarugno> e-Jah: salute
[12:28] <mcarugno> thank you
[12:28] <jmob> I'm saying good bye for now, little too frustrating for me.
[12:28] <crimsun> xed: search for the line that begins with: # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=771
[12:29] <crimsun> cya jmob
[12:29] <xed> thanks a lot for the help and sorry
[12:29] <xed> and ad..something to the line, yes/
[12:29] <mcarugno> do anybody knows a pctel driver for 2.6 kernels ?
[12:29] <xed> ?
[12:29] <crimsun> xed: yes, add "pci=noacpi" to the end of that line
[12:30] <crimsun> xed: with a space between vga=771 and pci=noacpi
[12:30] <xed> Yes, got it.
[12:30] <xed> Save, quit?
[12:30] <crimsun> yes
[12:30] <xed> Done
[12:30] <crimsun> then run: sudo update-grub
[12:30] <xed> this is in the home directory?
[12:31] <crimsun> doesn't really matter :)
[12:31] <xed> oh. ok
[12:31] <VirtualDarKness> it's in the path :)
[12:31] <xed> Want me to paste the result of sudo update-grub ?
[12:31] <crimsun> after that command completes, type: sudo reboot
[12:32] <VirtualDarKness> crimsun, did you read about my problem with reiser/hd ? what do you think?
[12:32] <crimsun> VirtualDarKness: I did not
[12:34] <mcarugno> Where can i get a list of packages shipped in the ubuntu cd ?
[12:34] <crimsun> mcarugno: check the wiki :)
[12:35] <mcarugno> ok. thank you
[12:35] <pjssilva> Hello. I am trying to set an Xclient using XDMCP. Both machines (client and server) are running Ubuntu. I am experiencing some short X freezes. The client is a slow machine (K6-2 300MHz with 256MB ram and S3 virge video card). What may be the problem?
[12:35] <VirtualDarKness> crimsun, I've pasted it on query
[12:35] <crimsun> VirtualDarKness: I don't know; I need more information from /var/log/dmesg
[12:36] <xed> That did absolutely nothing
[12:36] <miggumike> i don't have any blank cds is there a way i can run the install from my apple partition?
[12:36] <crimsun> VirtualDarKness: are you experiencing that with only hoary?
[12:37] <VirtualDarKness> yes for now
[12:38] <crimsun> VirtualDarKness: which kernel are you using in hoary?
[12:38] <VirtualDarKness> crimsun, 2.6.9-1
[12:38] <xed> okay
[12:38] <xed> so
[12:38] <crimsun> xed: does /proc/asound/cards still have the same contents as before?
[12:38] <xed> Still nothing
[12:39] <xed> permission denide
[12:39] <crimsun> VirtualDarKness: what happens with the previous kernel, 2.6.8.1?
[12:39] <crimsun> xed: cat /proc/asound/cards
[12:39] <xed> no soundcards
[12:39] <crimsun> ok.
[12:39] <crimsun> now go back and edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:40] <crimsun> and change pci=noacpi to noapic
[12:40] <crimsun> save it, then run sudo update-grub
[12:40] <VirtualDarKness> crimsun, I didn't tried yet but it is a good idea to try. I can't do it now; (cant reboot) I'll try it later.
[12:41] <xed> crimsun: you mean I change it to 'noacpi' right?
[12:41] <crimsun> xed: no, noapic
[12:41] <VirtualDarKness> crimsun, have you heard of other people having problems like this with the 2.6.9 kernel and reiser?
[12:41] <xed> noapic?
[12:41] <xed> ..o..k.
[12:41] <crimsun> that's correct.
[12:41] <crimsun> [I have to use that myself] 
[12:42] <miggumike> can i go into firmware mount an .iso that's on my osx partition and boot up yaboot to install linux?
[12:42] <crimsun> VirtualDarKness: no
[12:42] <crimsun> miggumike: no idea, sorry
[12:42] <crimsun> have you checked the wiki and google?
[12:42] <miggumike> no i haven't
[12:43] <xed> reboot again crimsun?
[12:43] <crimsun> yep
[12:43] <xed> brb then i guess
[12:44] <VirtualDarKness> crimsun, I've to go away from pc now; see you and thanks.
[12:44] <crimsun> bye, VirtualDarKness.
[12:44] <VirtualDarKness> bye
[12:45] <crimsun> Bigbigman: it's an excellent distro for people who are looking for an intuitive, straight-forward, desktop-oriented Linux distribution
[12:46] <xed> welp
[12:46] <xed> still no sound
[12:46] <crimsun> xed: ok, then things you'll need to try involve compiling newer sound support
[12:47] <crimsun> xed: it's better if you attempt that later
[12:47] <xed> oh man
[12:47] <xed> I need this sound for work =(
[12:47] <mcarugno> list of ubuntu packages is in http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[12:47] <xed> I really don't want to have to go back to windows.. =(
[12:48] <crimsun> xed: ALSA works with that sound chipset; it's just a matter of making it work on yours
[12:48] <crimsun> xed: in the meantime, I suggest you get some rest
[12:48] <xed> I have work in a few hours.
[12:49] <xed> How long do you think it would take to get ALSA working, crimsun?
[12:49] <isladelobos> alagulieeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[12:49] <isladelobos> is imposible login my  ubuntu in linux
[12:49] <crimsun> xed: maybe an hour? I can't really give an ETA.
[12:49] <isladelobos> shit
[12:49] <xed> Yeah, I see what you mean..
[12:49] <xed> okay then
[12:49] <isladelobos> is imposible login my ubuntu in wind-2000
[12:49] <xed> well... err ... I don't know what else to say other then.. thank you.
[12:50] <crimsun> we can try a newer version of ALSA
[12:50] <isladelobos> only configuring in x windows
[12:50] <xed> Right now crimsun?
[12:50] <xed> how?
[12:50] <crimsun> xed: sudo apt-get install build-essential kernel-package
[12:51] <crimsun> xed: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:51] <xed> couldn't find package kernel-package
[12:52] <xed> Reading Package Lists... Done
[12:52] <xed> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[12:52] <xed> E: Couldn't find package kernel-package
[12:52] <xed> Got that crimsun?
[12:53] <isladelobos> how to configure my ubuntu in x to log whith a user in windows 2000?
[12:53] <crimsun> xed: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list onto pastebin.com
[12:53] <isladelobos> not is possible?
[12:53] <crimsun> isladelobos: please rephrase; I don't understand you
[12:54] <isladelobos> is possible log in windows 2000 whith samba?
[12:54] <isladelobos> and configuring ubuntu in x
[12:54] <xed> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/193542
[12:55] <isladelobos> wen log my user is white
[12:55] <isladelobos> no user
[12:55] <crimsun> xed: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:55] <isladelobos> don't speak english very well
[12:55] <isladelobos> :\
[12:55] <xed> sudo edit crimsun?
[12:56] <xed> Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/apt/sources.list" -- using "application/*"
[12:56] <xed> Error: no write permission for file "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[12:56] <crimsun> xed: comment out the first line (by putting a hash or a pound mark at the beginning), then uncomment the following two lines that begin with # deb ... and # deb-src ...
[12:56] <crimsun> xed: sudo nane /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:56] <crimsun> err
[12:56] <crimsun> xed: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:56] <xed> yes
[12:56] <xed> nano
[12:56] <crimsun> isladelobos: what is your native language?
[12:56] <isladelobos> spain
[12:56] <crimsun> espanol?
[12:56] <isladelobos> si
[12:57] <crimsun> try asking in #ubuntu-es
[12:57] <isladelobos> thanks
[12:57] <crimsun> de nada
[12:58] <crimsun> xed: actually, uncomment the last two lines in the file, too
[12:58] <xed> done
[12:58] <xed> save and quit..
[12:59] <xed> then?
[12:59] <crimsun> sudo apt-get update
[12:59] <crimsun> then: sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:59] <xed> upgrade or update?
[01:00] <crimsun> both.
[01:00] <xed> ...err..
[01:00] <crimsun> update first, then upgrade
[01:00] <xed> its.. downloading something I believe
[01:00] <xed> and its done
[01:00] <xed> now what?
[01:00] <cavediver> Hi all. E
[01:00] <crimsun> you've updated & upgraded?
[01:00] <crimsun> 'lo cavediver
[01:00] <cavediver> Where do I find packages like Revelation and mplayer?
[01:01] <cavediver> crimsun: hi there.
[01:01] <xed> its doing something crimsun...
[01:01] <xed> I just did the upgrade
[01:01] <xed> its.. doing something
[01:01] <xed> 104mb of archives?
[01:01] <crimsun> cavediver: mplayer is in warty's 'multiverse' repo
[01:01] <crimsun> xed: that sounds right
[01:02] <goonie> jmob: thx for the help earlier: problem is solved :)
[01:02] <xed> This'll take a while
[01:02] <xed> What time is it there crimsun?
[01:02] <crimsun> cavediver: 'revelation' [if you're talking about the gnome passwd manager]  is in 'hoary/universe' but not in warty at all
[01:02] <xed> Wherever you are.
[01:02] <crimsun> xed: 7:02 AM
[01:02] <xed> work nightshifts?
[01:02] <cavediver> crimsun: what's the apt-source for that? I also need midnight commander.
[01:02] <crimsun> xed: yes. I've been awake about 50 hours.
[01:03] <jerkface> hello
[01:03] <xed> Yes, I've been awake about a bit more than 2 days now.. sucks ass =(
[01:03] <crimsun> cavediver: 'mc' is in 'warty/universe'
[01:03] <jerkface> i can't get alsa working with hoary, can you peopole help me?
[01:03] <xed> that 2m14s timer?.. thats how much time is left till it finishes, right?
[01:03] <crimsun> cavediver: the apt-"source" would be the deb-src line for 'hoary/universe'
[01:03] <crimsun> xed: til the packages are finished downloading, yes.
[01:04] <xed> Sweet
[01:04] <jerkface> xmms and mplayer won't play stuff through alsa, and i think its because esd is installed
[01:04] <crimsun> jerkface: then tell xmms to use esd for output
[01:04] <crimsun> jerkface: mplayer can also be told to use esd
[01:04] <jerkface> crimsun: i don't want to use esd
[01:04] <xed> Thats unusually fast ..
[01:04] <jerkface> i want to get rid of esd and just use alsa
[01:05] <jerkface> esd has far too much latency for movies and stuff
[01:05] <xed> 20 seconds *glee*
[01:05] <crimsun> jerkface: is your sound chipset capable of software mixing in hardware, like a sblive or turtle beach santa cruz?
[01:05] <crimsun> brb
[01:06] <xed> ok
[01:07] <jerkface> crimsun: i don't know
[01:07] <crimsun> jerkface: what sound card is listed in /proc/asound/cards?
[01:08] <jerkface> root@katana:/home/robin # cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:08] <jerkface> 0 [SI7012         ] : ICH - SiS SI7012
[01:08] <jerkface>                      SiS SI7012 at 0xe800, irq 18
[01:08] <xed> crimsun, all done.
[01:08] <xed> reboot?
[01:08] <crimsun> jerkface: so you're using snd-intel8x0?
[01:08] <crimsun> xed: not yet.
[01:09] <CaPS_> hello, happy new year all..
[01:09] <jerkface> crimsun: nope, i guess not
[01:09] <crimsun> xed: now: sudo apt-get install build-essential kernel-package linux-headers-`uname -r` devscripts
[01:09] <crimsun> jerkface: ...you should be. Verify with: lsmod|grep snd_intel8x0
[01:09] <xed> uname == username, yes? or just.. uname
[01:09] <crimsun> xed: uname
[01:10] <jerkface> but i mean alsamixer can change the mixer settings
[01:10] <xed> unpacking
[01:10] <CaPS_> Is their an easy way to share directories via Samba through nautilus?
[01:10] <xed> I don't think I can begin to comprehend how you know this all so damn well...
[01:10] <CaPS_> *there
[01:10] <xed> Unless ofcourse you were involved in the development..
[01:10] <xed> which would explain quite a bit.
[01:10] <jerkface> crimsun: can i spam that into a pm for you?
[01:10] <xed> crimsun, its done.
[01:11] <crimsun> xed: I've been using Debian for about 7 years.
[01:11] <grepper> how can I remove the "about Ubuntu" icon from the menu ?
[01:11] <xed> crimsun, that does explain a bit.
[01:11] <crimsun> jerkface: no need, that explains what I needed it to.
[01:11] <grepper> This machine is not going to be connected to the internet and I don't want to confuse the users
[01:11] <xed> crimsun, it is done.. now reboot?
[01:11] <jerkface> crimsun: yes, theres a good few entries for it
[01:12] <crimsun> grepper: that should pull up a local file...
[01:12] <grepper> crimsun, I would have thought so, strange
[01:12] <crimsun> grepper: does it not pull up file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html ?
[01:12] <grepper> no
[01:12] <grepper> connects to ubuntulinux.org
[01:12] <crimsun> hmm, must be a hoary change then.
[01:13] <grepper> I tried the usual suggestions for editing the menu, but can't see where this item is
[01:13] <xed> crimsun, what shall I do now, reboot?
[01:13] <crimsun> grepper: I'm thinking it's in gnome-menus
[01:13] <crimsun> xed: no
[01:13] <xed> sit around?
[01:13] <crimsun> xed: go here http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/alsa-source
[01:13] <xed> I'm there
[01:14] <crimsun> xed: 3/4 down the page is an [All]  button
[01:14] <xed> Yep, see it.
[01:14] <crimsun> xed: click that and choose a mirror from which to download the deb
[01:14] <jerkface> alsamixer picks up the card as SiS SI7012, and chipset as Realtek ALC655 rev 0
[01:15] <crimsun> jerkface: yes, and the driver it uses is the snd-intel8x0 ALSA driver
[01:15] <crimsun> jerkface: which means you'll have to configure dmix if you wish to hear multiple sounds simultaneously
[01:15] <xed> open or save?
[01:15] <crimsun> xed: save it
[01:16] <grepper> crimsun, I have no idea where that is :)
[01:16] <jerkface> dmix?
[01:16] <xed> There's something horribly wrong with Mozzilla
[01:16] <xed> I click on save
[01:16] <xed> it goes to desktop supposedly
[01:16] <xed> but I don't see the damn files anywhere ._.
[01:16] <crimsun> xed: find ~ -name 'alsa-source*deb'
[01:17] <xed> /home/bleh/alsa-source_1-1.0.7-2_all.deb
[01:17] <xed> /home/bleh/alsa-source_1.0.7-2_all.deb
[01:17] <xed> are they hidden or something?
[01:18] <jerkface> uh, was that for me?
[01:18] <crimsun> jerkface: dmix is on the alsa wiki.
[01:18] <xed> crimsun, ...?
[01:18] <crimsun> xed: patience, please
[01:18] <jerkface> ok, thanks
[01:19] <crimsun> jerkface: look under AlsaSharing on http://alsa.opensrc.org
[01:19] <xed> No, I mean.. I was asking are those the files? =/
[01:19] <crimsun> xed: yes
[01:19] <crimsun> xed: cd /usr/src
[01:19] <xed> done
[01:19] <crimsun> xed: sudo dpkg -i ~/alsa-source_1.0.7-2_all.deb
[01:20] <xed> Done
[01:20] <crimsun> xed: sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[01:21] <xed> done
[01:21] <crimsun> xed: cd modules/alsa-driver
[01:21] <xed> done
[01:21] <crimsun> xed: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[01:22] <xed> I am now.. infront of some sort of list.
[01:22] <crimsun> xed: it's a list of what modules to compile
[01:23] <crimsun> look for 'atiixp'
[01:23] <xed> done
[01:23] <xed> wait
[01:23] <crimsun> selected?
[01:23] <xed> screen just went screwy
[01:23] <xed> I selected my AC97 card.
[01:24] <jerkface> crimsun: if i set gnomes default sound output to alsa
[01:24] <jerkface> then config xxms to use esound
[01:24] <crimsun> did you see a choice for 'atiixp' or something with the "ati" string in it?
[01:24] <xed> Yes
[01:24] <jerkface> is that basically making it use the sound server hence multiple streams?
[01:24] <crimsun> xed: and you chose that?
[01:24] <crimsun> jerkface: no
[01:24] <crimsun> jerkface: it will conflict, and you'll get an error(s)
[01:24] <jerkface> well its working:/
[01:25] <crimsun> jerkface: if you want to use ALSA, then use ALSA completely
[01:25] <xed> What if I select all? what will it do?
[01:25] <crimsun> jerkface: tell everything to use ALSA by default
[01:25] <crimsun> xed: it will try to build all the modules you selected
[01:25] <crimsun> xed: a waste of time, in other words
[01:25] <xed> Build ALSA drivers with debugging code?
[01:26] <crimsun> xed: yes
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[01:26] <xed> wait wait--
[01:26] <xed> I see two here
[01:26] <crimsun> two what?
[01:27] <xed> atiixp-modem (PCI: MC97 [MODEM]  on motherboards with ATI IXP chipsets)
[01:27] <crimsun> no, only select atiixp
[01:27] <xed> atiixp (PCI: AC97 on motherboards with ATI IXP 150/200/250 chipsets)
[01:27] <xed> That one, right?
[01:27] <crimsun> only atiixp
[01:27] <xed> deselect all?
[01:27] <xed> Because it was already selected when I started it. =\
[01:28] <crimsun> was it the only one selected?
[01:28] <xed> Okay, well I'm done that now.
[01:28] <xed> Now.. restart?
[01:28] <crimsun> no
[01:28] <xed> aww
[01:29] <cavediver> Do one have to wait for next release to have FF and TB 1.0 ?
[01:29] <cavediver> Not that i can't use 0.8, but anyway :)
[01:29] <crimsun> xed: sudo ./debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r` KVERS=`uname -r`
[01:29] <xed> doing
[01:30] <crimsun> cavediver: yes.
[01:30] <crimsun> cavediver: unless you use ubuntu-bp.sf.net, which is not recommended
[01:30] <xed> Its doing some crazy stuff crimsun
[01:31] <xed> and its done
[01:31] <crimsun> no errors, correct?
[01:31] <xed> Not that I can see, no.
[01:31] <crimsun> xed: cd ..
[01:31] <xed> alrighty
[01:31] <xed> done
[01:32] <crimsun> xed: `ls' should show you a .deb
[01:32] <xed> alsa-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386_1.0.7-2_i386.deb
[01:32] <xed> I also a directory
[01:32] <xed> alsa-driver
[01:33] <xed> ...?
[01:33] <crimsun> hmm, you're still running -3-
[01:33] <xed> ...?
[01:33] <crimsun> what cpu are you using again? p4?
[01:33] <xed> P4 with HT
[01:33] <xed> want speed?
[01:34] <crimsun> sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8.1-4-686-smp linux-headers-2.6.8.1-4-686-smp
[01:34] <marjorie> why have they changed the names of those for ubuntu?
[01:34] <crimsun> marjorie: of what?
[01:35] <marjorie> kernel-source = linux-source no?
[01:35] <crimsun> marjorie: robert m. began it in november 2003
[01:35] <crimsun> marjorie: it was shifted as a packaging clarification
[01:35] <marjorie> debian just never caught up?
[01:36] <xed> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/193553
[01:36] <xed> Y?
[01:36] <marjorie> hm, im having aa weird problem where if u put a disk in a usb floppy it gets automounted again and again
[01:37] <crimsun> marjorie: Debian has not shifted [yet] 
[01:37] <crimsun> xed: sec
[01:37] <xed> alrighty
[01:37] <crimsun> trying to speak to 8 different people is rather gruesome
[01:37] <marjorie> :)
[01:37] <xed> Aye, sorry =(
[01:38] <marjorie> im happy
[01:38] <crimsun> xed: 'n'
[01:39] <xed> crimsun, finished.
[01:40] <crimsun> xed: you will actually need to recompile alsa-source because of the kernel bump
[01:40] <crimsun> xed: cd /usr/src/modules/alsa-source
[01:40] <crimsun> xed: sudo ./debian/rules clean
[01:40] <xed> bash: cd: /usr/src/modules/alsa-source: No such file or directory
[01:41] <xed> I should go to home dir. and do this, yes/
[01:41] <xed> ?
[01:41] <crimsun> xed: no, it should be in /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver
[01:41] <crimsun> sorry 'bout that
[01:42] <xed> I'm already there.
[01:42] <crimsun> did you run sudo ./debian/rules clean ?
[01:42] <xed> yes, yes I did.
[01:43] <crimsun> xed: sudo ./debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-4-686-smp KVERS=2.6.8.1-4-686-smp
[01:43] <xed> Aye, sir.. its doing its thing.
[01:44] <xed> Done
[01:44] <crimsun> cd ..
[01:44] <xed> Aye
[01:44] <crimsun> there should be an alsa-modules-2.6.8.1-4-686-smp_1.0.7-2_i386.deb
[01:45] <xed> yep, its there.
[01:45] <crimsun> sudo dpkg -i alsa-modules-2.6.8.1-4-686-smp_1.0.7-2_i386.deb
[01:45] <xed> Done
[01:46] <crimsun> ok, please paste to pastebin.com the output of: find /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-686-smp -name 'snd-atiixp*ko'
[01:47] <xed> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/193555
[01:48] <crimsun> ok
[01:48] <xed> groovy
[01:48] <xed> now what?
[01:49] <xed> not being rude or anything, just asking
[01:49] <crimsun> xed: ok, we need to remove duplicates
[01:50] <xed> alrighty
[01:50] <crimsun> xed: please paste to pastebin.com the output of: find /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-686-smp -name 'snd*ko'
[01:50] <xed> ehh.. are you sure?
[01:51] <xed> thats.. a lot.
[01:51] <crimsun> xed: yes
[01:52] <xed> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/193556
[01:53] <xed> heh, I told you its a lot.
[01:54] <crimsun> it's really not much
[01:54] <crimsun> you just happened to paste all your buffers, which shows up as repetitions
[01:54] <xed> Which makes no sense to me...atm atleast.
[01:54] <xed> I want this issue resolved so bad.. i'm crying on the inside.
[01:55] <xed> Figure out anything from all that, crimsun?
[01:56] <crimsun> yes, gimme a sec
[01:56] <crimsun> I'm writing a shell script
[01:56] <xed> O.O
[01:58] <crimsun> no, it's easier to do this:
[01:58] <xed> ok
[01:58] <xed> ...?
[01:58] <crimsun> ln -sf /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-686-smp/updates/alsa/pci/snd-atiixp.ko /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-686-smp/kernel/sourc/pci/.
[01:59] <crimsun> (well, put sudo in front)
[01:59] <crimsun> then:
[01:59] <xed> Do I need the dot at the end?
[01:59] <crimsun> yes
[01:59] <xed> so then ... 'sudo ln -sf /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-686-smp/updates/alsa/pci/snd-atiixp.ko /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-686-smp/kernel/sourc/pci/.'
[02:00] <xed> ln: creating symbolic link `/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-686-smp/kernel/sourc/pci/.' to `/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-686-smp/updates/alsa/pci/snd-atiixp.ko': No such file or directory
[02:00] <crimsun> then: sudo ln -sf /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-686-smp/updates/alsa/pci/ac97/snd-ac97-codec.ko /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-686-smp/kernel/sound/pci/ac97/.
[02:00] <xed> But that didn't work
[02:00] <crimsun> sudo ln -sf /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-686-smp/updates/alsa/pci/snd-atiixp.ko /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-686-smp/kernel/sound/pci/.
[02:01] <marjorie> anyone had an automount problem with usb floppy dirves?
[02:01] <xed> crimsun, done.
[02:02] <crimsun> marjorie: have you checked the ubuntu-user mailing list archive and the wiki?
[02:02] <crimsun> xed: ok, now you can reboot
[02:02] <marjorie> nothing obvious...
[02:02] <xed> sweeeet
[02:02] <xed> brb
[02:05] <xed> crimsun, YOU SIR.. are a GOD
[02:05] <xed> I hear the sounds..
[02:05] <xed> But this mp3 won't work =(
[02:06] <xed> But indeed you are a god
[02:06] <cartman> umm
[02:06] <crimsun> xed: what are you using to play the mp3?
[02:06] <xed> Totem Movie Player =(
[02:06] <xed> It opens it in that
[02:06] <crimsun> xed: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:07] <crimsun> xed: uncomment the 'deb ... universe' line
[02:07] <crimsun> xed: save it, then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:08] <xed> wait wait--
[02:08] <xed> uncomment the 'deb .. universe' line?
[02:08] <xed> The first line?
[02:08] <xed> #deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[02:08] <xed> That one?
[02:09] <crimsun> xed: no
[02:09] <xed> oh oh
[02:09] <crimsun> xed: the # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com .... universe one
[02:09] <xed> both of them, or only one?
[02:09] <crimsun> up to you, but you definitely need the deb one
[02:09] <xed> one of them is the source?
[02:09] <crimsun> the deb-src one is optional
[02:09] <crimsun> yes
[02:10] <xed> I love you crimsun
[02:11] <crimsun> xed: have you updated and upgraded, then installed 'gstreamer0.8-mad'?
[02:11] <xed> Doing so now, crimsun
[02:11] <xed> and its done
[02:11] <marjorie> what does ubuntu use to automout?
[02:11] <xed> or wait-- wait--
[02:11] <xed> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:11] <xed> I did that
[02:11] <crimsun> marjorie: udev, hotplug, hal, pmount
[02:12] <marjorie> thx
[02:12] <crimsun> xed: that's right
[02:12] <xed> Alright, I did that
[02:12] <crimsun> xed: hmm, while you're at it, sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[02:12] <xed> xine?
[02:12] <xed> rings a bell..
[02:12] <crimsun> totem-xine, yep
[02:13] <xed> I know slim to nothing about linux as you can clearly tell... but that still wrings a bell..
[02:13] <xed> rings*
[02:13] <xed> okay, I'm done the xine thing too
[02:13] <xed> Anything else?
[02:13] <crimsun> that's it for now
[02:14] <crimsun> now you can play the mp3 with Applications>Sound & Video>Music Player
[02:14] <crimsun> or
[02:14] <xed> Sweet! Tommorow (if my wifi card isn't working) we shall attempt that... but I'm pretty sure it is.. haven't tested it.
[02:14] <marjorie> i think my system is treating it like a usb HD
[02:14] <crimsun> Applications>Sound & Video>Totem Movie Player
[02:14] <xed> crimsun, I love you.;
[02:14] <xed> To me, you are a god.
[02:14] <crimsun> ok, I gotta run. Time to sleep, and I gotta work in 4 hours.
[02:15] <xed> Same here!
[02:15] <xed> Remind me to pay you...in whatever way I can.
[02:15] <crimsun> no biggie, just enjoy Ubuntu.
[02:15] <xed> Oh, but I am.. I am..!
[02:15] <xed> Thats why I clean formatted. =)
[02:15] <xed> This thing is just sweet...
[02:16] <crimsun> roit
[02:17] <crimsun> marjorie: sorry I can't answer your question; perhaps try in a few hours when there are others active
[02:18] <Arvind-NL> Hi
[02:19] <Arvind-NL> I'm looking for a wallpaper, it has a greenish background color, bottem centerd 2 people, top left in white written UBUNTU.
[02:19] <marjorie> k#
[02:19] <marjorie> seems quite complicated
[02:19] <marjorie> looking in man for udev that just seems to be global rules
[02:19] <marjorie> for hotplug devices...
[02:20] <marjorie> i need something specific i guess to say, do this to this usb device
[02:20] <marjorie> disableing it and mounting manually aint an option as its for a "user" :)
[02:22] <cartman> you need to write a special udev rule
[02:26] <cjb> Hi all.
[02:31] <Minitwistor> hi
[02:33] <marjorie> my hal device manager crashes when i put the usb floppy in :O
[02:34] <Minitwistor> is this the right place for a newbie?
[02:35] <scizzo> Minitwistor: ask your question
[02:35] <scizzo> :)
[02:36] <Minitwistor> a very simple one: i ordered my ubuntu livecds yesterday (i live in the uk), and couldn't understand the faq regarding when they will get here... but i also wanted to know about minimum hardware specs which i couldn't find in the faq either
[02:37] <Minitwistor> i have a PII 233 with 32 MHz of RAM... I take it GNOME is far too heavy a desktop to run on that, so Ubuntu isn't really what I'm looking for?
[02:38] <restrex> Minitwistor install xfce
[02:38] <Minitwistor> but is that easy to do with ubuntu?
[02:39] <marjorie> im getting scsi emulation applied to a usb floppy drive which causes it to mount reapeatadly how can i stop this?
[02:39] <bloggs> Hi, can someone help me with my usb hard-drive?
[02:39] <marjorie> bloggs, whats up?
[02:40] <Minitwistor> i guess what i'm asking for is how well does ubuntu run on old computers... i can't afford any upgrades atm... just want to mess around and learn i suppose
[02:41] <bloggs> It used to work, but now it doesn't work - I get some error regarding IRQ 177 and "special device /dev/sda1 does not exist"
[02:41] <j1> hi everybody
[02:41] <marjorie> have you addes something else?
[02:42] <marjorie> added even
[02:42] <j1> can anyone helpme with a 'File size limit exceeded'
[02:42] <j1> ?
[02:42] <marjorie> methinks my problems should goto #debian
[02:44] <benjanet> why does Rithymbox not load all songs.. ?
[02:44] <bloggs> no, I've tried putting stuff in fstab (/mnt/usb1 /dev/sda1 vfat etc,,,,), but this doesn't work, resulting in "special device /dev/sda1 does not exist" error
[02:44] <eph> anyone running Ubuntu64 here?
[02:45] <marjorie> bloggs, does fdisk still see it?
[02:45] <bloggs> no, but I can see it on my windows partition, and on my slackware partition
[02:46] <marjorie> sounds like ira
[02:46] <marjorie> sounds like irq 17 is being used for something else?
[02:46] <bloggs> ira??
[02:46] <jessica_> I was looking at the openoffice-quickstart function, and saw a gnome applet for it. If I make a quickstarter manually, with 'ooffice -applet -quickstart' an invisible instance of the program is spawned, so that later starts will be faster... But the quickstarter quits directly when the real visible openoffice is exited! Isn't that weird?
[02:48] <bloggs> I have tried to install a USB printer, but there were no drivers (Canon PIXMA), could this have stuffed it?
[02:48] <marjorie> have u tried rebooting without it plugged in?
[02:48] <bloggs> no
[02:48] <bloggs> I might try that
[02:49] <sjoerd> having a usb printer plugged in or not won't make a difference
[02:49] <marjorie> it might be grabbing that irq?
[02:50] <marjorie> or bringing up an unsolved usb problem?
[02:50] <sjoerd> the host controller has an irq assigned, not each usb device
[02:50] <marjorie> but if there is something wrong with the contoler itselt, having two devices may have borked it?
[02:51] <sjoerd> extremely unlikely
[02:51] <bloggs> I remembered that when it used to work, I didn't need to modify fstab or anything like that, I just plugged it in and it was detected.
[02:52] <sjoerd> check the device manager and see if it shows you usb stuff
[02:52] <eph> >> Ubuntu 64 has a few issues with the Nvidia SATA controller on the NFORCE3 chipset...
[02:52] <marjorie> plugging in my usb floppy makes device manager crash...
[02:52] <bob2> eph: please file bugs
[02:53] <eph> bob2 how? im a newbie
[02:53] <bob2> (assuming it's not already reported)
[02:53] <sjoerd> marjorie: warty or hoary
[02:53] <bob2> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[02:53] <marjorie> warty
[02:53] <bloggs> I can see my USB hub interfaces
[02:53] <marjorie> demsg shows that its trying to initialies it as a mass storage device.
[02:54] <marjorie> but if there is a flopy in there it autmounts it reapeatadly so i get sda1, sda2 sda3, etc on desktop
[02:55] <sjoerd> marjorie: ah, i got that bug report in the debian bts once.. would be very interesting to know if you still have that with hoary (Note don't upgrade to hoary for that reason :)
[02:55] <marjorie> cool got a url for the bug?
[02:56] <sjoerd> bloggs: but not the printer and the usb disk ?
[02:56] <bloggs> I'm using warty
[02:56] <marjorie> i really need to fix it
[02:57] <marjorie> also the floppy kernel mod fails at boot
[02:57] <marjorie> no internal floppy in laptop tho
[02:58] <sjoerd> marjorie: no real solution for it for warty i guess
[02:59] <bloggs> usb 4-2: new high speed USB device using address 2
[02:59] <bloggs> irq 177: nobody cared!
[02:59] <bloggs>  [<c0107c3e>]  __report_bad_irq+0x31/0x73
[02:59] <bloggs>  [<c0107ce4>]  note_interrupt+0x4c/0x6f
[02:59] <bloggs>  [<c0107ea2>]  do_IRQ+0x92/0xf9
[02:59] <bloggs>  [<c0106980>]  common_interrupt+0x18/0x20
[02:59] <bloggs>  [<c010401c>]  default_idle+0x0/0x26
[02:59] <bloggs>  [<c010403f>]  default_idle+0x23/0x26
[02:59] <bloggs>  [<c010408e>]  cpu_idle+0x1d/0x32
[02:59] <bloggs>  [<c030864d>]  start_kernel+0x193/0x197
[02:59] <bloggs> handlers:
[02:59] <bloggs> [<e0b0a20f>]  (usb_hcd_irq+0x0/0x4e [usbcore] )
[02:59] <bloggs> [<e0b0a20f>]  (usb_hcd_irq+0x0/0x4e [usbcore] )
[02:59] <bloggs> [<e0b0a20f>]  (usb_hcd_irq+0x0/0x4e [usbcore] )
[02:59] <bloggs> Disabling IRQ #177
[02:59] <marjorie> sweet
[02:59] <bloggs> Thats what I get in dmesg
[02:59] <cartman> bloggs: kernel oopsed
[03:00] <sjoerd> bloggs: that's indeed time to plug out your usb devices and reboot
[03:00] <bob2> please don't paste stuff like that in here
[03:00] <bob2> that's a bug in the kernel, please file it if no one else has
[03:00] <sjoerd> marjorie: seems that you were right afterall :) (although it wasn't due to the irq)
[03:00] <marjorie> sjoerd: do u think i could do that upgrade via apt?
[03:00] <bloggs> ok - sorry bob2
[03:01] <sjoerd> marjorie: only if you go to hoary i guess.. which i don't want to recommend
[03:02] <marjorie> i need to give this laptop to an old person and they will really need that functionaloty
[03:02] <marjorie> despite my seeting up webspace....
[03:02] <marjorie> :)
[03:02] <marjorie> and cd burning...
[03:03] <marjorie> maby just go and buy another usb floppy?
[03:03] <bloggs> I'll plug everything out and see how I go.  Thanks all - ciao!
[03:03] <marjorie> but most i have see use the same samsung controller
[03:04] <marjorie> sjoerd: is hoary that unstable?
[03:05] <marjorie> this is pretty much only issue i have had
[03:05] <sjoerd> marjorie: dunno, but it has development version of all gnome stuff.. so
[03:05] <marjorie> ah
[03:05] <siretart> moquist: better wait for a deeper freeze of hoary
[03:05] <sjoerd> afaik hoary should be really considered experimental
[03:05] <marjorie> xfree.org as well?
[03:05] <HetIsLarsje> quit
[03:06] <sjoerd> but i don't run ubuntu, so that's not from personal experience
[03:06] <marjorie> k
[03:06] <marjorie> ill settle for a little script for now :)
[03:12] <bob2> barlas: can you turn that off please?
[03:12] <barlas> oops
[03:12] <barlas> okay
[03:12] <bob2> thanks :)
[03:29] <baluba> hi
[03:29] <bkuebler> hi baluba
[03:30] <baluba> lemonde online features an article on the word 'ubuntu' and the philosophy behind. maybe someone is interested (in french): http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3208,36-392306,0.html
[03:33] <Tomcat_> Kinda bad article... how can you write on a word and forget the first thing that Google shows about it? :)
[03:35] <benjanet> i getting an error downloading a package for Hoary: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glib2.0/libglib2.0-0_2.6.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb  Bad header line
[03:35] <Tomcat_> benjanet: Check your internet connection... seems to work for me.
[03:36] <benjanet> Tomcat_, i can download it manually, but not via apt-get
[03:36] <benjanet> Tomcat_, can i copy it manually to some directory ?
[03:36] <bkuebler> He is talking on irc.. I think his connection might be ok.. :-)
[03:39] <eph> is anyone here runnging Ubuntu64?
[03:39] <bob2> there's no such thing as 'ubuntu64'
[03:39] <bob2> you mean the amd64 port of ubuntu?
[03:39] <baluba> Tomcat_, don't be so google dependent or informatic-centric: there's a world outside :)
[03:40] <eph> yes the AMD64 version..
[03:40] <eph> well there is only one 64 version of ubuntu
[03:40] <eph> so i thought it was obvious enough
[03:40] <benjanet> where do i copy the .deb file for apt-get
[03:41] <bob2> benjanet: what are you trying to do?
[03:41] <Tomcat_> baluba: I didn't say they should *only* talk about Ubuntu Linux... but exactly your statement the other way round - there's also Google to ask if you want to write an article on a word. :>
[03:41] <benjanet> upgrade the libglib2.0.0
[03:42] <Tomcat_> benjanet: Yes you can... download it somewhere, then run dpkg -i blabla.deb
[03:43] <benjanet> Tomcat_, where are all .deb store, that apt-get uses ?
[03:43] <bob2> benjanet: it caches them in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[03:46] <benjanet> it now says that libglib2 is broken :(
[03:46] <bob2> what have you done?
[03:47] <benjanet> sudo cp libglib2....deb /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:47] <sir_latin> hi! I'm thinking of installing ubuntu on a Pentium 233 Mhz MMX with 48 MB RAM (Going to use Gnoppix), any suggestions, experiences with it?
[03:47] <bob2> I'm pretty sure the live cd won't run in 48MB of ram
[03:48] <sir_latin> if it does?
[03:49] <bob2> the live cd isn't an installer, tho
[03:50] <sir_latin> well, it looks like it's possible to install it from the livecd
[03:50] <bob2> I'm pretty certain you can't
[03:52] <sir_latin> http://www.gnoppix.org/pages/screenshots/gnoppix07beta/gnoppix_installer.png
[03:52] <etorix> cant you debootstrap it from live-cd
[03:52] <sir_latin> anyway, I could install ubuntu
[03:52] <cardador> sir_latin: you need at least 128 mb ram to run the live cd
[03:53] <sir_latin> you're right, I just tried it on VM
[03:54] <sir_latin> would ubuntu be a good distro to isntall on a crappy comp?
[03:55] <cardador> sir_latin: install ubuntu, then change from gnome to xfce to make your desktop faster
[03:55] <thorwil> hi! i'm thinking about installing either debian/demudi/ubuntu
[03:55] <thorwil> and i can't boot from cdroms
[03:56] <thorwil> now i know debian offers a way to install from harddisc (i'm on a working gentoo here)
[03:56] <thorwil> is the same possible with ubuntu?
[03:59] <sir_latin> I'll try it on my virtual machine frist hehe. How does the package managment work in ubuntu? Is it like debian appt-get?
[03:59] <sir_latin> I use gentoo on my comp. So I'm used to emerge world... hehe
[03:59] <cardador> sir_latin: it is debian
[03:59] <cardador> sir_latin: apt-get dist-upgrade here
[04:00] <sir_latin> cardador: cool
[04:01] <sir_latin> cardador: so it's basically debian with some extra stuff. Thinkin og using fluxbox, and the icon support for it. + firefox, thunderbird etc.
[04:01] <sir_latin> cardador: It's just gonna be an internet pc.. so my mom can browse, and use gaim or amsn heh :)
[04:01] <eph> is UBUNTU going to support anymore WMs in the near future?
[04:02] <wezzer> hello
[04:02] <wezzer> how could I see screen resolution after installing ati drivers?
[04:04] <sir_latin> does ubuntu use 2.4 kernel?
[04:04] <HcE> no
[04:05] <siretart> sir_latin: no, it uses hotplug udev and hal
[04:05] <benjanet> bob2, i solved the problem with "apt-get clean"
[04:05] <sir_latin> cool
[04:06] <sir_latin> by using ubuntu, I will learn debian too right?
[04:06] <siretart> sir_latin: if you want, perhaps, but you dont need to
[04:07] <sir_latin> siretart: I want to ;)
[04:08] <siretart> sir_latin: I think ubuntu could be a good start, but If you really want to understand debian internals, you'll soon install debian sarge on a second partition ;)
[04:12] <sir_latin> siretart: I don't want to use too much time on it hehe. We are probably gonna use debian on my system & network admin course, so it wouldn't be bad if I had some knowledge about debian
[04:13] <sir_latin> siretart: Cause I guess Gentoo is a bit easier when you get it up running
[04:13] <sir_latin> oh well, it's be finished downloaded in an hour
[04:14] <sir_latin> the install cd that is :)
[04:14] <tsw> sir_latin: or you could install debian
[04:14] <sir_latin> tsw: I know, but ubuntu seems friendlier, and I don't feel like using too much time on it
[04:15] <sir_latin> tsw: Just gonna be an internet pc for my mom :) I just want it to be linux so it can be easier for me to fix it from other places etc. And it's way more secure when it comes to viruses, spyware etc :)
[04:15] <zenrox> sir_latin,  just casue thare ant linux spyware
[04:16] <sir_latin> zenrox: I know :)
[04:16] <zenrox> hehehe
[04:16] <sir_latin> for now...
[04:16] <zenrox> for now is right
[04:17] <sir_latin> no point in making it either.. isn't it like 5% of the users that have linux?
[04:17] <sir_latin> not much to get from there, and I guess most of us are geeks too, so we will hunt them down :p
[04:17] <zenrox> 5% linux as a desktop
[04:17] <zenrox> 30-50% linux as servers
[04:17] <carambol> sudo dont work for...i cant enter the root with it
[04:18] <zenrox> carambol,  if you want a root cosole do sudo -s
[04:19] <carambol> ok tnx
[04:19] <carambol> whats the s?
[04:19] <carambol> shell?
[04:20] <zenrox> i guess
[04:21] <zenrox> i just run my commands with just sudo
[04:21] <carambol> i can a error message...
[04:21] <carambol> i get an error messg
[04:21] <carambol> if i do sudo
[04:22] <Cervantes_> Is anyone familiar with Ndiswrapper?
[04:23] <nosami> hi room! Does anyone here have any experience with getting an ITE8212 raid controller to work in Warty?
[04:29] <carambol> at rebooting ...i got the messge of a FATAL Error with shchk
[04:29] <carambol> whats is this?
[04:30] <carambol> no not rebooting but at isnatllation
[04:30] <carambol> installation
[04:32] <carambol> is that the reason i cannt enter root with sudo?
[04:32] <hezekiah> Has anyone here had trouble with bitmap fonts on Hoary?  After upgrading to Hoary, all bitmap fonts (Terminus, LucidasansTypewriter) show up as bold all of the time.
[04:33] <esher> hezekiah, tell me pls how do you setup terminus font, i messed up with this :/
[04:33] <cavediver> Hi again. I've just set the root password and now I can su as usual. However when running for example synaptic I apply the root password and then get error message: Child terminated with error status 1 or something. Anyone know something about this?
[04:33] <esher> cannot change in xchat or xconsole
[04:34] <carambol> me too cavedriver
[04:34] <etorix> ubuntu is set up to not need a root account
[04:34] <usual> cavediver, try opening a terminal and typing gksudo synaptic
[04:34] <carambol> but i cannot even enter root in any instance
[04:35] <hezekiah> esher: I installed the xfonts-terminus package (I think that's the name?), and then you have to edit /etc/fonts/local/conf and uncomment a line to enable bitmap fonts
[04:35] <usual> or try sudo -s
[04:35] <usual> then launch it
[04:35] <exlt> nosami: I think this controller uses Iiteraid, and I do not see this driver in the stock modules on my system
[04:35] <esher> thx hezekiah, edit the conf i miss
[04:35] <NKM> hi, i have a password protected .rar file, who i extract the file with rar in console? (what's the command to put the password?)
[04:36] <hezekiah> esher: You're welcome, that bugged the heck out of me until I found that conf file :-)
[04:36] <esher> he :)
[04:37] <Cervantes_> can anyone offer some help with modem drivers?
[04:37] <NKM> nobody knows?? plz
[04:39] <carambol> rar is not for linux but windows
[04:40] <esher> works nice now :P
[04:41] <exlt> Cervantes_: could you be a little more specific?  what modem/drivers...
[04:41] <Cervantes_> well, I have an AOpen FM56-PM winmodem, and can't find any linux drivers for it
[04:41] <Cervantes_> The chipset is: Conexant (Rockwell) Mono Pack RH56D/SP-PCI
[04:42] <Cervantes_> Vendor ID: 14f1  Device ID: 1036
[04:42] <benjanet> Why does rhythmbox not load all songs.. ?
[04:42] <oLDELPASo> hi
[04:42] <oLDELPASo> i hope it is ok fore me to ask questions her
[04:43] <oLDELPASo> my ubunto duse not support HT
[04:43] <oLDELPASo> i try to change the kernel but it is not under usr/src/linux
[04:43] <usual> did you bring taco's?
[04:43] <oLDELPASo> lol
[04:43] <oLDELPASo> yes only fore you
[04:44] <usual> easy man
[04:44] <usual> lol
[04:44] <oLDELPASo> lol
[04:45] <nosami> thanks exit
[04:45] <usual> oLDELPASo, I don't have HT sorry
[04:45] <usual> oLDELPASo, do you need a certain kernel
[04:45] <exlt> Cervantes_: the linmodem db search looks to be down at the moment - not sure if this one is supported
[04:46] <oLDELPASo> i whant to be abel to change my kenrel support
[04:46] <oLDELPASo> and soory fore my eng
[04:46] <Cervantes_> exlt, where is the linmodem db search?  I tried looking around that site but didn't find a search engine
[04:46] <oLDELPASo> i installd Gentoo
[04:46] <oLDELPASo> the installations was hard there
[04:46] <usual> gentoo is evil
[04:46] <oLDELPASo> but there i can change my kernel setings
[04:46] <usual> you can here also
[04:47] <oLDELPASo> but i dont know how to do it in ubuntu
[04:47] <usual> there are step by step tutorials on rebuilding the ubuntu kernel
[04:47] <usual> go to the website
[04:47] <oLDELPASo> k
[04:47] <oLDELPASo> i will have a look there
[04:47] <exlt> Cervantes_: there are a couple of searches from http://www.linmodems.org/
[04:47] <usual> oLDELPASo, wait
[04:47] <usual> oLDELPASo, do this
[04:48] <oLDELPASo> ok
[04:48] <Frafraxy> hi all
[04:48] <exlt> Cervantes_: look in the How-To, also
[04:48] <oLDELPASo> oki
[04:48] <usual> ummm
[04:48] <Frafraxy> i can't use dvd
[04:48] <Cervantes_> exlt, how-to on ubuntu?  or linmodems?
[04:48] <usual> do you use synaptic or apt
[04:48] <Frafraxy> i can't use dvd video
[04:48] <oLDELPASo> can use
[04:48] <oLDELPASo> youcant look on a dvd move or
[04:48] <oLDELPASo> ?
[04:49] <usual> oLDELPASo, basically install the smp kernel image
[04:49] <oLDELPASo> ok usual
[04:49] <Frafraxy> i've read the documentation, but it doesn't work
[04:49] <usual> oLDELPASo, you can find it a number of ways
[04:49] <usual> oLDELPASo, either with apt or synaptic
[04:49] <usual> oLDELPASo, the 686 smp kernel
[04:49] <usual> oLDELPASo, it's in ubuntu
[04:49] <oLDELPASo> Frafraxy can you not look on dvd movies??
[04:50] <oLDELPASo> ok super thanks usual :)
[04:50] <usual> Frafraxy, uncomment the universe and multiverse in sources.list
[04:50] <Frafraxy> ok
[04:50] <usual> Frafraxy, then install xine
[04:50] <usual> totem-xine
[04:50] <usual> gstreamer doesn't support dvd's
[04:50] <Frafraxy> ok
[04:50] <oLDELPASo> is the apt-get works like in debian?
[04:50] <usual> it sucks
[04:50] <usual> oLDELPASo, ubuntu is debian yes
[04:50] <oLDELPASo> i use mplayer
[04:51] <oLDELPASo> fore dvd's
[04:51] <Frafraxy> ok
[04:51] <Frafraxy> totem-xine installed
[04:51] <keyshawn2> there's a dvd plugin for xine that you'll need.
[04:51] <usual> Frafraxy, oh you also need libdvdcss2
[04:51] <Frafraxy> i've installed it
[04:51] <usual> ok
[04:51] <usual> then should work now
[04:51] <oLDELPASo> i whant to give you alitel sorry her, but sorry fore my eng
[04:52] <oLDELPASo> i work on a compnay with over 10.000 WinXP clients and we are like 100 Admins
[04:52] <oLDELPASo> i start to intall gentoo as my workstation
[04:52] <oLDELPASo> and use a web based admin to admin accounts and fix with are AD
[04:52] <Frafraxy> it doesn't do
[04:53] <Frafraxy> it doesn't work
[04:53] <usual> Frafraxy, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:53] <usual> there ya go
[04:53] <oLDELPASo> now i have converted 20 admins
[04:53] <oLDELPASo> so we are slowly going over to linux admin workstations
[04:53] <Frafraxy> i've do that!!!
[04:53] <Frafraxy> but it doesn't do
[04:53] <oLDELPASo> i will save this as a log and post this on are forum at work
[04:53] <Frafraxy> i see only the first file
[04:53] <usual> Frafraxy, ytou added the multimedia repos to apt?
[04:54] <Frafraxy> yes
[04:54] <oLDELPASo> and thay will see whay we not shuld have Microsoft products
[04:54] <usual> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[04:54] <exlt> Cervantes_:  looks like this modem is listed as linmodem compatible at http://free.hostdepartment.com/g/gromitkc/pci_list.html (found from http://start.at/modem)
[04:54] <oLDELPASo> support comunity rocks
[04:54] <Frafraxy> i've installed all
[04:54] <usual> Frafraxy, maybe your missing a codec i dunno
[04:54] <oLDELPASo> thanks fore help usual
[04:54] <usual> oLDELPASo, yea
[04:54] <usual> oLDELPASo, np
[04:55] <Ng> hmm, has the marrilat mplayer stuff become incompatible with warty?
[04:55] <usual> i heard
[04:55] <usual> but i dunno
[04:55] <usual> i use hoary
[04:55] <Frafraxy> i use hoary
[04:55] <usual> I gave up on dvd's until they update gstreamer
[04:55] <Ng> me too, but I just installed a little warty box
[04:55] <Cervantes_> exlt, thanks :)  I checked through those sites yesterday, and came to the same conclusion, that it is linmodem compatable.  But, where can I get the drivers?  Thanks a bunch :)
[04:55] <Ng> and apt is refusing to install mplayer ;)
[04:56] <usual> Ng, the hoary cd image worked great
[04:56] <usual> Ng, did you upgrade or fresh install
[04:56] <Ng> it was a fresh warty install
[04:56] <usual> k
[04:57] <oLDELPASo> lol
[04:57] <Frafraxy> how can i do?
[04:58] <Cervantes_> exlt, I was trying to use Ndiswrapper yesterday, but I couldn't find a windows XP driver for my modem anywhere.  The best I could get was Windows NT.
[04:59] <wezzer> Cervantes_: did you get that modem problem solved?
[05:00] <Cervantes_> exlt, nope, I managed to get through all the steps on the NDISwrapper installation process (found here: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/Installation), but there were two .INF files.  I tried them both, but both ways ended up with a "invalid installation" or "invalid driver" message at the end.
[05:01] <Frafraxy> can you help me?
[05:03] <oLDELPASo> anyone plaud with supermount in ubuntu
[05:03] <oLDELPASo> ?
[05:03] <exlt> Cervantes_: have you tried to build the linmodem driver - since it is listed, you might try that
[05:03] <oLDELPASo> playd
[05:03] <Cervantes_> exlt, build the driver?  You mean, myself?  :/
[05:05] <exlt> Cervantes_: - this post looks very promising - http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/Linux/Q_20888784.html
[05:05] <Cervantes_> checking it out :D
[05:05] <exlt> Cervantes_: it is RedHat-based, but looks like the linuxant drivers may work out for you
[05:06] <Cervantes_> awesome! :D
[05:08] <exlt> Cervantes_: yep - your vendor ID is listed in the docs as supported by the conextant drivers
[05:09] <grepper> anyone know where the "About Ubuntu" entry in the Applications menu is generated from ?
[05:09] <Cervantes_> err, exlt, it says I need to subscribe in order to view the solution to that guy's question
[05:09] <bretzel> Hi all - I have totally screwed my XWindow ( conflict between XFree86 and Xorg after getting full of pkg from hoary :-)
[05:09] <Cervantes_> exlt, and that means paying money :/ not just a free subscription
[05:09] <exlt> Cervantes_: nah - just look down past all the stupid ads
[05:11] <Cervantes_> exlt, hmm, I just filled out the name / email / pword section and it's saying I've entered invalid credit card stuff (I didn't enter anything at all)
[05:11] <grepper> I'd like to remove it and "Help" because they are strangely liked to externel urls, and the machine is not connected
[05:11] <grepper> oh, not "Help", just "About Ubuntu"
[05:11] <exlt> Cervantes_: I have never signed up for this site - just scroll down to see all the comments
[05:12] <bob2> grepper: I'm almost certain it's not user modifiable (ie you need to recompile gnome)
[05:12] <bob2> but wasn't it in the computer menu?
[05:13] <Cervantes_> exlt, lol, I might be able to sign up as an expert :P lol!
[05:13] <grepper> bob2, not here - I 'm using stock Warty
[05:14] <grepper> hm, seems like a strange decision to use an external ref, perhaps its a bug that's fixed in Hoary
[05:14] <bob2> hm, ok
[05:14] <bob2> how is it a bug?
[05:14] <grepper> compounded by the fact its not in the vfolders anywhere
[05:15] <grepper> bob2, well, there are bound to be more than a few machines not hooked to the internet
[05:15] <bob2> bretzel: how did that screw it up?
[05:15] <bob2> grepper: sure, so don't use that menu item then :)
[05:15] <grepper> and it looks unpolished to have it load firefox with a not found
[05:15] <grepper> well, the beginners I am building the system for will not know that
[05:15] <grepper> I am thinking in general terms - its a usability bug
[05:16] <grepper> personally I could care less, of course :)
[05:16] <bretzel> bob2: When I wanted to upgrade all pkg related to X/KDE I think the tools couldn't remove XFree86... This is all I can say.
[05:17] <bob2> bretzel: so what isn't working?
[05:18] <bretzel> bob2: This is funny because both XFree86 and Xorg seems to want to start. But if I navigate X11 dirs, I can't see any bin executable of Xorg. I see only XFree86 in .../bin/X11R6/
[05:19] <grepper> can anyone using Hoary confirm if "About Ubuntu" loads a local file,  or an external one ?
[05:20] <bob2> bretzel: have you removed xserver-xfree86?
[05:20] <bob2> grepper: local
[05:20] <wezzer> argh
[05:21] <wezzer> I installed ATI drivers, and now I can't get bigger resolution than 1024x768 even though I set the default resolution to 1280x980
[05:21] <bretzel> bob2: I think I 've messed up the pkg database... Xfree86 won't remove :-) and I also think that XOrg can't be installed succesfully I 've got full of error msg such as [...] ( 2 no such file ) during deb pkg setup
[05:21] <grepper> bob2, thanks
[05:21] <grepper> I would assume it gnome-panel that it comes from ?
[05:22] <bob2> bretzel: 'messed up the pkg database'? how?
[05:22] <bob2> bretzel: you can't make things unremovable by fiddling with synaptic
[05:23] <bretzel> I dunno, every try I did - didn't work ( apt-get remove xfree86 ( or XFree86 ) )
[05:23] <bob2> how did you get into this state?
[05:24] <Halo> Hello
[05:24] <exlt> Cervantes_: looks like linuxant driver is hobbled to 14.4 until you buy a license from them :( - you are better off probably finding a hardware modem or an external would be better if this is a laptop
[05:24] <bretzel> bob2: I think I am going to reboot in Ubuntu and then try removing Xorg first, and then re-setup XFree86 if apt can fix things...
[05:25] <bob2> what did you do to get your system like this?
[05:25] <Cervantes_> exlt: yeah, that's what I don't like about linuxant.  I tried an old US Robotics external modem, but I can't even plug it into my computer (no port).  I'm not sure about hardware modems... how old should they be?
[05:26] <Halo> I need a hand with my wireless driver
[05:26] <Halo> I've got it working fine with ndiswrapper, I followed the wiki entry on it
[05:26] <Halo> Trouble is, even if I set it to auto on, either by hand editing the config file, or using gnome, it doesn't work on boot
[05:27] <Halo> if I modprobe -r ndiswrapper and then modprobe ndiswrapper it will work again
[05:27] <bob2> is ndiswrapper in /etc/modules?
[05:27] <Halo> So my question is, how can I add those into the network start script so it will work on boot every time?
[05:27] <Halo> I don't know... I'm booted into my windows partition and can't check at the moment
[05:28] <Sacred> mm, would you consider as safe an upgrade to hoary on the present state ?
[05:28] <wezzer> hey, I installed fglrx-control, which command launches it?
[05:28] <Halo> I just installed yesterday, I don't have much to lose
[05:28] <Halo> This is an asus wireless card, with the rt2500 chipset
[05:28] <Halo> there are linux native drivers for it, but I couldn't get them to work properly
[05:28] <ztonzy> hi !
[05:29] <bob2> Sacred: are you ok with it possibly breaking and you having to manually fix something?
[05:29] <Halo> Ah crap, I have to run
[05:29] <Halo> I'll be back in 10 or so under my nix partition
[05:29] <ztonzy> I just wanted to tell that I just bought a digital camera, Fuji Finepix A340 and it worked out of the box as USB mass storage controler on the Desktop !  =D
[05:29] <ztonzy> reall neat
[05:29] <Sacred> definitely bob2 =)
[05:29] <ztonzy> really*
[05:30] <wezzer> haa, fireglcontrol it is
[05:30] <bretzel> well ok I am rebooting in ubuntu to see what can I do to restore my messed sys :-) see you
[05:30] <wezzer> how can I add it to gnome menu?
[05:30] <Sacred> There was a time when we used to do everything manually ;)
[05:30] <bob2> wezzer: applications:/// in nautilus
[05:30] <wezzer> thanks bob2
[05:32] <wezzer> bob2: After creating launcher, it won't show up...
[05:33] <wezzer> do I have to restart gnome or something else?
[05:33] <bob2> don't know
[05:33] <wezzer> I already tried as root, but no effect
[05:34] <bob2> er, not as root
[05:34] <wezzer> I tried as normal user first, of course
[05:34] <wezzer> but it didn't work so I tried as root also
[05:38] <Cervantes_> exlt, I think I need to install C or something like that because I'm not using red hat or mandrake (regarding linuxant drivers)
[05:46] <sensebend> wezzer, you need to restart gnome
[05:47] <sensebend> the messy way to do this is to exit all your applications and press ctrl + alt +  backspace
[05:47] <wezzer> okay
[05:47] <wezzer> thanks
[06:21] <Fish__> ya
[06:21] <prox2far> not much happening on this channel
[06:22] <Fish__> rite there
[06:25] <bretzel> bob2: ?
[06:25] <Fish__> how many prople got their ubuntu cd's from shipit?
[06:25] <arctick> i did
[06:26] <arctick> took quite a while though
[06:26] <Fish__> how many?
[06:27] <KobrAs_> i did
[06:27] <prox2far> a lot probarly, why???
[06:27] <Fish__> i ordered 10 more than 8 weeks ago
[06:27] <Fish__> my shipit page has not changed
[06:28] <bretzel> bob2: ?
[06:28] <Fish__> so like how long does it take
[06:29] <prox2far> fish: it takes a long
[06:29] <prox2far> ill try again
[06:29] <Fish__> after all
[06:29] <Fish__> free stuff
[06:29] <Fish__> can't blame them
[06:30] <zenwhen> It takes a VERY long time. It took at least two months for mine.
[06:30] <warty> hi, I need some help with finding and instaling my audio device, anyone can help me_
[06:30] <Fish__> i just wanna promote linux in this part of the world
[06:30] <prox2far> fish: it takes forever, although 8 weeks sounds too long try e-mailing them
[06:30] <zenwhen> I downloaded it before they came.
[06:30] <Fish__> i can'e download
[06:30] <prox2far> warty: what release + audio devise do you have
[06:31] <bretzel> Somone can tell me why hoary can't provide Kdelibs4 ?? Lots of kde components ( such kopete; kdevelop etc... ) depends on it ???
[06:31] <warty> whartywardog, sb compatible 16bit and so on. It/s really a ESS but worked fine as Sb compatible on libranet
[06:32] <Fish__> kde is not supported
[06:32] <bretzel> even konqueror is not from KDE3.3.1 but 3.2.x ??
[06:32] <bretzel> Fish: I know kde isn't supported but if KDE3.3.x is in hoary, Kdelibs4 must be there not ?
[06:33] <prox2far> warty: have you tried installing the standard Linux sound bla. bla. bla. i think it's called ALSA
[06:33] <Fish__> open a command and type alsa with root priveleges
[06:33] <grepper> anyone know how to build gnome debs with an increased jobs level ?  ie.  make -j4  etc ?
[06:34] <warty> yeah, it\s installed. The thing is I can\t find the audio device in the device manager. is there some place where I can manually select the driver.? like in libranet?
[06:34] <prox2far> warty: try following instructions here    http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo/view?searchterm=sound%20device
[06:35] <warty> thnx, I will+) i aoreciate the help
[06:36] <prox2far> warty: you're welcome, i hope it works, iv'e never had sound problems with whartywardog
[06:39] <abelli> is there any kind of pppoa kernel thing in ubuntu?
[06:42] <warty> prox2far: Is it possible to manually select the device when I install the wartywhardog? I only run it as livecd now to see if I want it. and I do|}) the only problem is the sound device... and another question| how do i install it? do i have to select some other option at lilo? and if so, what option?
[06:42] <Kokuma> o/
[06:44] <Kokuma> Kinda quiet channel with that large user amount
[06:44] <gir_> Hi everyone, I'm thinking of a remote desktop server for access to the desktop across the internet. What would people recommend as a good (and secure) way of doing this?
[06:45] <sladen> vnc / X over SSH?
[06:45] <dat> quick question.. how do you enable wpa for wifi?  the config only seems to ask for the wep key
[06:45] <prox2far> warty: do you allready have a Linux distro on your PC
[06:46] <warty> yes, libranet 2.8.1
[06:46] <gir_> sladen: ssh sounds like a good idea, i'll have to do some research into the x / vnc part. But that should give good security
[06:47] <prox2far> warty: i don't have a lot of experience wit'h LILO, I'm running Grub, but you have to edit LILO if both systems have to run on the same machine
[06:48] <sladen> gir_: what do you actually want to access across the net?  If you just want to run an accplication, do    ssh -X -C gir@yourbox.com $APPLICATIOn
[06:48] <warty> no, i just meant what option do i select when i want to install warty not just run it from the cd.. sorry, i misexplained myself:)
[06:48] <sladen> gir_: also check out NX
[06:48] <warty> i don\t need libranet
[06:48] <sladen> gir_: FreeNX
[06:49] <Sacred> dat: http://hostap.epitest.fi/
[06:49] <warty> it\s to damn old, no new gnome or kernel...
[06:49] <prox2far> warty: just set the bios to boo from cd and install on top of old Linux, thats what i did going from collegelinux -> ubuntu
[06:49] <gir_> sladen: i've set up linux for some linux newbies, and i want some way to admin in case there's a problem later, or they want new software etc..
[06:50] <prox2far> warty: boo = boot
[06:50] <warty> yeah, but when i do that i get lots of options at startup, i don\t know which one is to install..
[06:50] <gir_> sladen: I've found a couple of tuts for x over ssh, that looks like a good solution
[06:51] <dat> Sacred, thanks
[06:51] <prox2far> warty: 2. sec.
[06:51] <jerkface> can someone help me with getting my sound card to use multiple streams with alsa?
[06:51] <warty> oki:)
[06:51] <jerkface> its 8x0 compatible afaik
[06:54] <thomas_> Happy new year everybody
[06:55] <prox2far> warty: when starting the install disc there should only be 2 choises: help (f1) and boot=install (enter) am I wrong
[06:55] <prox2far> thomas: thanks
[06:55] <moquist> prox2far: sounds right to me
[06:55] <warty> hmmm, i get lots of them. the one says just ubuntu, which is what i chose..
[06:56] <warty> i\ll just have to try then:)
[06:56] <prox2far> warty: just ubuntu sounds like a good choise
[06:56] <warty> no, then it just boots from  livecd, not to install...
[06:57] <prox2far> warty: I think you have the wrong cd
[06:57] <warty> hmmm, i just got the gnoppixstable.iso
[06:58] <warty> which should i choose then from ftp?
[06:58] <prox2far> warty: what lang. do you normally use???
[06:58] <warty> english
[06:59] <prox2far> warty: do you use a 64 bit cpu
[06:59] <warty> no, it\s an old qompac armada 7400 with pentium II 350 cpu. no 64 bit here I\m afraid:)
[07:00] <prox2far> warty: get this iso http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[07:00] <warty> but is this gnoppix? i\m a bit confused by the ubuntu|gnoppix...
[07:01] <prox2far> warty: no not knoppix but Ubuntu
[07:02] <warty> no, not knoppix:) Gnoppix:)
[07:02] <kebac> what the heck is gnoppix
[07:02] <thomas_> is there a document concerning an ubuntu install on an iMac available?
[07:03] <prox2far> warty: Gnoppix????   2.sec. again :% sorry
[07:03] <warty> gnoppix is the opposite of knoppix, gnome instead of kde... i went to www.gnoppix.org and i got this file which says it\s both ubuntu and gnoppix.. it\s really confusing...
[07:04] <prox2far> warty: gnoppix looks like it's a slightly modded version of Ubuntu
[07:05] <warty> ok, i\ll just download the from the link i got from you then, thnx alot mate, happy new year:)
[07:05] <prox2far> warty: + it's rather pretty compared to Ubuntu
[07:05] <warty> oki
[07:06] <prox2far> wart: thanks if you want to look at the real warty release look here   http://osdir.com/screenshots/index.php?directory=gnome2.8
[07:06] <prox2far> warty: and yes that is the ugliest version of brown iv's ever seen
[07:07] <HaloGray> Hello all
[07:07] <HaloGray> Having issues with the computer machine :(
[07:07] <HaloGray> I have a wireless card that I have working with ndiswrapper
[07:07] <prox2far> HG: whats the prob
[07:07] <prox2far> HG: and...
[07:08] <sladen> HaloGray: if it's working...?
[07:08] <MunDy-> i just installed ubuntu, and x crashes...
[07:08] <MunDy-> what can i do?
[07:09] <grepper> hah, fixed the "About Ubuntu" - goes local now
[07:09] <sladen> MunDy-: hoary or warty?
[07:09] <MunDy-> warty
[07:10] <sladen> MunDy-: likely warty.  Okay.  How does it crash?
[07:10] <MunDy-> it just wont run, it says it cannot start x
[07:10] <sladen> MunDy-: does it give an error message before that
[07:11] <sladen> MunDy-: anything in ~/.xsession-errors
[07:11] <MunDy-> not that i know of
[07:11] <MunDy-> remember rather...
[07:12] <sladen> MunDy-: are you using the same computer rebooted into Windows are this moment/
[07:12] <MunDy-> yes
[07:12] <prox2far> munDy: not wise
[07:12] <MunDy-> why not?
[07:13] <prox2far> mundy: a bit difficult to help when you can't acces you're Linux based system
[07:13] <prox2far> myndu: while writing too us
[07:14] <sladen> prox2far: do you have another computer you could connect here with whilst playing with the linux machine/
[07:14] <sladen> s/prox2far/mundy/
[07:14] <prox2far> sladen: yes I have 2
[07:14] <MunDy-> prox2far: yeah, i realise that... but i don't really have an alternative
[07:15] <prox2far> Mundy: OK sorry
[07:15] <MunDy-> prox2far: no need to be sorry :)
[07:16] <MunDy-> I used to use Fedora Core 2 a few months back, and when it didnt like the new drivers i made it use for my videocard, i got the same thing
[07:16] <MunDy-> maybe something wrong with the drivers ubuntu assigned to my card?
[07:16] <prox2far> Mundy: what card are you using
[07:17] <MunDy-> ATI Radeon 9200
[07:17] <nuOpus> Gnoppix actually looks like the stock GNOME 2.8
[07:17] <nuOpus> it looks nothing like Ubuntu
[07:18] <nuOpus> You could say Ubuntu looks like GNOME 2.8 with some modifications .... but Gnoppix is just GNOME 2.8
[07:19] <prox2far> Mundy: Warty should work with radeon, have you been trying to push you monitor above correct res.???
[07:19] <FatherHam> is ubuntu ready for an amd64 machine, or would i be better off with another distro for now?
[07:20] <HaloGray> Ok, adding it to modules worked :)
[07:20] <HaloGray> Thanks to bob2 for mentioning that earlier
[07:20] <MunDy-> prox2far: nope, when it asked for resolution changes etc, i left it as it was
[07:20] <MunDy-> so the highest it should try is 1024x768 no?
[07:21] <HaloGray> Now I have an issue with how long it takes for the network to start
[07:21] <sensebend> MunDy-, check your HorizSync and VertRefresh values in your X configuration
[07:21] <sensebend> make sure they match the spec of your monitor
[07:21] <HaloGray> Since I only have the wireless up, and not the wired ethernet, it takes about a minute of extra boottime to time out
[07:21] <MunDy-> sensebend: how would i do that?
[07:21] <sladen>  HaloGray: press ctrl-c
[07:21] <MunDy-> I've had little experience with linux before
[07:21] <prox2far> mundy: look here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=radeon
[07:21] <HaloGray> This is a laptop though, so depending on where I'm at... I could be using wired or wireless
[07:22] <HaloGray> sladen: wouldn't ctrl+c cancel the wireless attempt too?
[07:22] <sladen> HaloGray: and then edit /etc/network/interfaces and set noauto
[07:22] <HaloGray> I want them both to be auto... I just don't want them to retry so many times
[07:22] <HaloGray> or take so long
[07:22] <HaloGray> at work I use wired, at home I was wireless
[07:22] <sensebend> in console type nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:22] <sensebend> someone correct me if that isn't the right location...
[07:23] <HaloGray> sensebend, are you talking to me?
[07:23] <prox2far> mundy: maybe Warty messed the ATI driver and you have to get a new one with apt get
[07:23] <sladen> HaloGray: try the following;
[07:23] <sladen> auto eth1
[07:23] <sladen> iface eth1 inet dhcp
[07:23] <sladen>         pre-up /sbin/mii-tool eth1|grep ok > /dev/null
[07:23] <sensebend> no HaloGray
[07:23] <sladen> HaloGray: ugly hack to skip trying the wired if there's no link-light
[07:24] <MunDy-> prox2far: so i should run the commands under the heading 'ATI (fglrx) Graphics Card' on the url you gave me?
[07:24] <sensebend> MunDy-, that will install the binary drivers which might fix your problem
[07:24] <sensebend> it would really help if you knew what the error message was :)
[07:24] <carajean> can some one help me with my nvidia drivers? after days of game play they dont work my glxgears scores are way low also
[07:24] <MunDy-> yeah, sorry about that
[07:24] <prox2far> mundy: yes but try running safe first
[07:25] <Quest-Master> In the Warty release, where are the scripts for Nautilus located?
[07:25] <Quest-Master> Like, Open Terminal Here
[07:25] <MunDy-> next time i boot up i will write it down
[07:25] <prox2far> mundy: safe mode
[07:25] <MunDy-> ok
[07:25] <MunDy-> i'll try this
[07:25] <MunDy-> thanks
[07:25] <carajean> if u can just tell me how to delete the drivers i could just reinstall them
[07:25] <MunDy-> i'll be back... :P
[07:26] <prox2far> mundy: see ya :)
[07:28] <HaloGray> sladen, should I do the same with the wireless?
[07:28] <HaloGray> it's only there half the time as well
[07:32] <HaloGray> rebooting to see what happens :O
[07:34] <joco> Hello Word
[07:36] <joco> UBUNTU amd 64 Nvidia experience ?
[07:37] <Marudubshinki> 'lo all.  I need some help getting my new Ubuntu system going: I greatly enjoy the screensaver 'electric sheep', and could not figure out how to get it to install from the screensaver menu, where it is listed as 'uinstalled' but still entered into the list.  So I tryed to install it manually- things went well with the d/ling of the debian package untill it mentioned its dependencies on 'xloadimage' which apparently has no non-RPM variati
[07:38] <HaloGray> Thanks guys, that seems to work wonderfully
[07:38] <HaloGray> fast boot time, and auto detect
[07:38] <HaloGray> I've got one last issue, and then I should be all set
[07:38] <prox2far> Mar...:can't you just find it using the synaptics download thingy
[07:38] <HaloGray> How safe is writing to an ntfs partition inside linux?
[07:38] <HaloGray> I hear it's still pretty shaky
[07:39] <Marudubshinki> Prox: o' course. Didn't work but I'll give it another shot.
[07:39] <kezz> its not very safe last time i checked HaloGray
[07:39] <HaloGray> is there a seperate program that will make it safer?
[07:40] <kezz> windows xp
[07:40] <HaloGray> maybe something that uses the windows ntfs stuff?
[07:40] <kezz> :P
[07:40] <HaloGray> I can't load xp inside of nix so that isn't so good for me :P
[07:40] <kezz> they haven't released the structure so its all guesswork afaik
[07:41] <HaloGray> My drive is like so: 10gb XP system | 30gb data | 10gb linux system/swap
[07:41] <HaloGray> I'd like to have linux and windows store and read from the same 30gb
[07:41] <HaloGray> I'd just use fat32... but it really sucks :P
[07:41] <scizzo> HaloGray: then you should have used fat
[07:41] <HaloGray> easy defragmentation, no support for +4gb files
[07:42] <kezz> maybe look for ext drivers for windows
[07:42] <HaloGray> that would work too
[07:43] <HaloGray> Thanks for all the help guys, I'm now 100% happy with Ubuntu
[07:43] <HaloGray> I'm eagerly awaiting what happens between now and 1.0
[07:44] <HaloGray> My last distro was Arch.  I used it to learn as much as I could about linux without pulling my brain out of my head and eating it
[07:44] <Ribs> HaloGray, 1.0 of what?
[07:44] <HaloGray> Ubuntu
[07:44] <Ribs> HaloGray, Ubuntu is stable now
[07:44] <HaloGray> Warty is .7 isn't it?
[07:44] <Ribs> erm, no
[07:44] <kezz> 4.10
[07:44] <Ribs> Warty was the first stable release
[07:44] <Ribs> so could be considered '1.0', if you want
[07:45] <HaloGray> I must be thinking of something else then.
[07:45] <Ribs> must be :)
[07:45] <HaloGray> Nevermind :O
[07:45] <HaloGray> One thing I do notice about running in linux for a short time
[07:45] <HaloGray> my laptop gets about as hot as windows + games
[07:46] <prox2far> next ubuntu is hoary it's version 5.04
[07:46] <HaloGray> I'm wondering if my video driver isn't being detected properly
[07:46] <HaloGray> This is a laptop, so it's the mobility card
[07:46] <sensebend> Hoary should be released in April sometime
[07:46] <HaloGray> if it's detecting the desktop card... could it be soft modding the card and heating it up?
[07:46] <kezz> HaloGray, could it be the fan control?
[07:46] <tsw> HaloGray: check that acpi is running, it controls fans also
[07:46] <HaloGray> How would I check that?
[07:47] <HaloGray> I know a bit, but I'm still a novice here :(
[07:47] <Marudubshinki> ditto
[07:47] <HaloGray> top?
[07:47] <Marudubshinki> what is acpi anyway?
[07:47] <tsw> command acpi should give some information
[07:47] <Ribs> HaloGray, Mine does that with Ubuntu as well
[07:47] <tsw> and acpi --verbose some more
[07:47] <Ribs> didn't do it on Gentoo or Windows
[07:47] <Ribs> so I guess it's a Ubuntu thing
[07:48] <HaloGray> Ubuntu is the first nix distro I've had on this laptop
[07:48] <HaloGray> but I didn't get any heat out of arch and my old thinkpad
[07:48] <HaloGray> but I was using fluxbox, so it didn't have much video info to deal with at all
[07:48] <tsw> my ibm thinkpad didnt want to enable acpi.. said something about too old bios
[07:48] <KreacH> i've gotten a free cd of fedora :S
[07:48] <HaloGray> acpi --verbose
[07:48] <HaloGray>      Thermal 1: ok, 53.0 degrees C
[07:48] <HaloGray>   AC Adapter 1: on-line
[07:49] <HaloGray> That's not a whole lot of info :-/
[07:49] <tvon> tsw: what thinkpad?
[07:49] <HaloGray> I'm more worried about the video card's heat, not the processor
[07:49] <tsw> tvon: 390X
[07:49] <Marudubshinki> no charging data, halo?
[07:49] <tvon> I know nothing about that :-D
[07:49] <tsw> HaloGray: but it seems that acpi is running
[07:49] <tsw> tvon: acpi=force (or something like that fixed it)
[07:50] <HaloGray> Marudubshinki, it's charged
[07:50] <tvon> tsw: ah
[07:50] <HaloGray> lemme see what happens when I unplug it
[07:50] <tvon>      Battery 1: charging, 66%, 00:23:26 until charged
[07:50] <tsw> tvon: I tried the ibm-acpi packages but couldnt get it working
[07:50] <tvon> tis what I have
[07:50] <HaloGray> just says offline lol
[07:50] <HaloGray> doesn't give me any info
[07:50] <tvon> I dont think the charging data shows up when its fully charged
[07:50] <tvon> oh, maybe not
[07:50] <HaloGray> oh wait
[07:50] <tvon> yeah, you don't have battery info
[07:50] <tsw> HaloGray: you can also get info with more /proc/acpi/*
[07:50] <tvon> try modprobing battery
[07:50] <HaloGray> acpi --verbose
[07:50] <HaloGray>      Battery 1: discharging, 103%, 03:54:22 remaining
[07:50] <HaloGray>      Thermal 1: ok, 52.0 degrees C
[07:50] <HaloGray>   AC Adapter 1: off-line
[07:51] <tvon> when unplugged I get discharging
[07:51] <tvon> heh
[07:51] <tsw> 103% :)
[07:51] <tvon> Battery 1: discharging, 67%, charging at zero rate - will never fully charge.
[07:51] <tvon> peculiar to point that out when not plugged in
[07:51] <tsw> but acpi on linux gives fine info on /proc/acpi/BAT0/info (and others)
[07:51] <Marudubshinki> hmm... acpi says I do not have any thermal device. Is that a software glitch?
[07:52] <HaloGray> could be that you don't have any thermal devices
[07:52] <HaloGray> does your bios report temps at all?
[07:52] <Marudubshinki> mean to say no support
[07:52] <Marudubshinki> sorry
[07:53] <Marudubshinki> as in 'no support for device type: thermal'
[07:53] <tsw> some laptop manufactures have strange acpi solutions which are not compatible with standards
[07:53] <HaloGray> I really dislike Dell laptops :(
[07:53] <HaloGray> I wish I had the money for a new thinkpad instead of this thing
[07:53] <Marudubshinki> well its not dell. gateway.
[07:53] <HaloGray> I'm extra paranoid about it... 2 weeks after I got it the video card blew out
[07:53] <HaloGray> I wasn't doing much special with it, just windows + dawn of war
[07:54] <HaloGray> I even had DoW on low settings
[07:54] <tsw> HaloGray: what about settings in bios?
[07:54] <HaloGray> nothing for underclocking there
[07:54] <HaloGray> otherwise I would
[07:54] <KreacH> how can i format my hd an keep ubuntu installed ?
[07:54] <tsw> could there be something like "fans usage: silent / powerfull / or such"
[07:54] <KreacH> just kidding
[07:55] <HaloGray> nah, closest thing to that is the speedstep technology
[07:55] <HaloGray> no fan settings
[07:55] <HaloGray> there are however, plenty of different ways to put www.dell.com in their bios
[07:55] <HaloGray> unfortunately, there is very little of use in there
[07:56] <HaloGray> how can I see what driver is being used for video?
[07:56] <HaloGray> going through gnome shows me what is detected, but doesn't show me a driver/driver version
[07:57] <HaloGray> fans just kicked in btw
[07:57] <Ribs> glxinfo
[07:57] <tsw> HaloGray: /var/log/XF86.log.0 or something like that has everything that X uses
[07:57] <Marudubshinki> Again, does anyone know how to get Electric Sheep running in Ubuntu?
[07:58] <Marudubshinki> www.electricsheep.org
[07:58] <Marudubshinki> it is a fractal flame screensaver
[07:58] <Marudubshinki> better than any of the packaged ones
[07:58] <kezz> isn't there a manual?
[07:58] <HaloGray> path for me is /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[07:59] <tsw> HaloGray: couldnt remeber and too lazy to check :)
[07:59] <KreacH> ubuntu crashes on the savers here :S
[07:59] <Marudubshinki> but it seems that it has some dependencies on RPMs which don't work on Ubuntu
[08:00] <sir_latin> hey, how can I install fluxbox in ubuntu and remove gnome?
[08:00] <prox2far> mar...: have you tried adding the two universe servers and using apt-get electricsheep
[08:00] <tsw> Marudubshinki: did you get the debian version?
[08:00] <sir_latin> or just use fluxbox..
[08:00] <Marudubshinki> universe servers?
[08:00] <sir_latin> I'm gonna install it in an old computer :)
[08:00] <sir_latin> right now I'm running it on vmware to check it out
[08:00] <Marudubshinki> and yeah, but as I said the Debian still relies on some previous rpms
[08:00] <HaloGray> XFree86.0.log sez: ATI driver (version 6.5.5) for chipsets: ati
[08:01] <HaloGray> Among supported chipsets is my 9600 Mobility
[08:01] <HaloGray> So I suppose that's ok
[08:01] <HaloGray> but the card certanly seems to be working very hard for no good reason
[08:01] <tsw> Marudubshinki: shouldnt need any rpms.. deps maybe
[08:01] <prox2far> mar...: I'm not running Ubuntu now and can't quite remember how you ad them there's an instruction on the ubuntu site
[08:02] <tsw> HaloGray: it could be that it doesnt have proper acceleration yet
[08:02] <HaloGray> I just don't want to smoke my card again
[08:02] <Marudubshinki>  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.6), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libjpeg62, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.5.0-4), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxv1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), debconf, curl, xloadimage, libjpeg-progs
[08:02] <Marudubshinki> this is taken from the installation command line, tsw
[08:02] <HaloGray> I haven't had this laptop more than a couple of months
[08:02] <HaloGray> if I return it twice for the same issue Dell may raise an eyebrow
[08:03] <tsw> HaloGray: maybe you could call dells support to ask for linux drivers :D
[08:03] <HaloGray> hahahahaha Dell's 'support'
[08:03] <tsw> Marudubshinki: and apt-get doesnt find those?
[08:03] <Marudubshinki> not all.
[08:03] <HaloGray> The first time this card died it took TWO HOURS on the phone with their support before they'd accept it
[08:03] <HaloGray> It would boot, give 2 bios code beeps for 'No video' and that was it
[08:03] <Marudubshinki>  'libjpeg-progs for one
[08:04] <HaloGray> TWO HOURS to get them to determine it was no good
[08:04] <mifune> hi. im a total linux n00b. how do i mount an windows disk?
[08:04] <tsw> :)
[08:04] <Marudubshinki> xloadimage for another
[08:04] <HaloGray> ntfs?
[08:04] <HaloGray> mifune?
[08:04] <mifune> no
[08:04] <mifune> fat 32
[08:04] <Seq> HaloGray: thats as good as the two months it took gateway to re-affix the display cable in my notebook
[08:04] <tsw> mifune: and what disk is it?
[08:04] <HaloGray> I'm not positive then
[08:05] <HaloGray> you have to edit /etc/fstab
[08:05] <HaloGray> but I'm not sure how exactly for fat32 partitions
[08:05] <HaloGray> Seq: It wasn't so bad once they got it
[08:05] <prox2far> mifune: try looking here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=mount%20windows
[08:05] <Seq> mifune: mount -t vfat /dev/yourwindowspartition /wherever/you/want/it
[08:05] <bkuebler> mount -t vfat /dev/whatever /mnt/whatever_you_want
[08:05] <bkuebler> damn.
[08:05] <bkuebler> lol
[08:05] <HaloGray> It only took them a week to get it, repair it, and send it back
[08:06] <drspin> HaloGray: mount -t cfat /dev/what /mnt/what
[08:06] <drspin> HaloGray: cfat = vfat
[08:06] <drspin> ;)
[08:06] <drspin> sorry
[08:06] <bkuebler> drspin comes in third
[08:06] <drspin> LOl
[08:06] <drspin> LOL
[08:06] <drspin> my hands are cold and I came in late ;)
[08:06] <HaloGray> wikis are a wonderful thing
[08:06] <prox2far> wiki rocks
[08:06] <bkuebler> mifune, there is an easier way too.
[08:06] <Seq> HaloGray: mine i swear was a loose display cable. the image would go wonky, and you tilt the screen and its fine
[08:06] <bkuebler> un ubuntu at least.
[08:06] <tsw> drspin: you need to type faster to get your hands warm again :)
[08:07] <HaloGray> Seq, if that happens again, and your warranty is out you should be able to fix that yourself
[08:07] <HaloGray> the video cable is usually right near the top of the keyboard on laptops
[08:07] <Seq> HaloGray: i know, i just didnt want to void the warranty
[08:07] <HaloGray> pop the keyboard out, you can probably plug it in with ease
[08:07] <drspin> tsw: I suppose I should :D
[08:07] <mifune> im going to look at that fstab file, with that link that prox2far gave me
[08:07] <HaloGray> yeah, if you're still on warranty it's best to send it in
[08:08] <HaloGray> regardless of how slow their service is
[08:08] <Seq> HaloGray: it didn't seem to be the end that connects under the keyboard, because i did check that
[08:08] <drspin> warranty rules!
[08:08] <drspin> it's like free stuff... except you already pid for it ;)
[08:08] <Seq> HaloGray: anyway, they replaced the motherboard and lcd, so how can i complain
[08:08] <HaloGray> yeah
[08:08] <HaloGray> well, I'm off now
[08:08] <HaloGray> thanks for the help again guys
[08:08] <Seq> except the dead battery they sent it back woth
[08:08] <tsw> HP had nice warranty one call and they came pick it up the next day.. and it came back two days later
[08:11] <prox2far> well see you later guys and girls
[08:17] <MunDy-> i still couldnt get X to run =(
[08:18] <MunDy-> I did everything outlined here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=radeon
[08:18] <MunDy-> but X still wont run
[08:18] <drspin> could somone tell me how to add a helpful wiki-page??
[08:19] <MunDy-> error messeage is: I cannot start the X server. It is likely that it is not set up properly
[08:19] <MunDy-> then asks if i wanna see the error log
[08:19] <MunDy-> if i got yes it just says its a pre-release of X and gives me addresses for bugs etc
[08:20] <MunDy-> i assume X doesnt like my video card =(
[08:20] <sensebend> your card is supported
[08:21] <sensebend> it's probably something in your configuration
[08:21] <drspin> I assume that X is configured wrong!
[08:21] <MunDy-> i assume that too...
[08:21] <Quest-Master> Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation
[08:21] <MunDy-> how can i find the where its gone wrong?
[08:21] <drspin> whoa - I'm rude... I'm going to take a break... sorry bout that MunDy ;)
[08:21] <Quest-Master> I'm getting that when I try to compile MPlayer with GUI
[08:22] <MunDy-> lol, its ok drspin
[08:22] <drspin_AFK> MunDy-: ;)
[08:22] <MunDy-> sensebend: how can i find out whats wrong?
[08:23] <sensebend> look at /var/log/ and find the xserver log
[08:23] <sensebend> open that up and see what the problem is
[08:23] <MunDy-> how would i do that?
[08:23] <sensebend> or paste the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file to #flood
[08:23] <MunDy-> MunDy- = very little linux experience
[08:24] <sensebend> are you booted into Linux now?
[08:24] <mindphasr> Is ubuntu faster than debian or is it just me? Seems as if gnome runs almost 2x as fast
[08:24] <MunDy-> no, im on same computer, except windows =( not the best way to do things, but i have no alternative
[08:25] <MunDy-> give me some commands and i'll write then down
[08:25] <Quest-Master> Anyone? :\
[08:25] <Quest-Master> Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation
[08:28] <Quest-Master> This is weird
[08:28] <Quest-Master> I got MPlayer to compile before I reinstalled
[08:28] <MunDy-> uhh.... i think i'm just gunna go back to Fedora...
[08:28] <Quest-Master> What's your problem Mundy?
[08:29] <sensebend> he's having X trouble
[08:29] <Quest-Master> haha
[08:29] <Quest-Master> Same here.
[08:29] <MunDy-> X doesnt like me =( :P
[08:29] <Quest-Master> In ./configure, it says it can't find X11
[08:29] <Quest-Master> How can I not have X11 is what I want to know
[08:30] <sensebend> dunno all I want is a repo with a working mplayer for hoary :)
[08:30] <sensebend> don't want to even attempt to build it :)
[08:30] <jono> hi al
[08:30] <Quest-Master> I want a working MPlayer for Warty :\
[08:30] <jono> all
[08:30] <stuNNed> sensebend, marillat's repo works but you need to import his key with apt-key
[08:31] <jono> I have a dual processor g5 with 4 gig of ram - I would like to use it to help ubuntu possibly, is there any requirements for building 64 bit ppc packages?
[08:32] <sensebend> ugh, very nice jono
[08:32] <jono> its a beast
[08:33] <ArCHoNKoG> Quest-Master, i want one for hoary
[08:33] <sensebend> hmm
[08:33] <jono> so do the ubuntu devs need any processing power
[08:33] <Quest-Master> Wow jono.. awesome machine there.
[08:33] <jono> I was thinking about making ppc openoffice builds
[08:33] <jono> any idea how long openoffice would take to build on it?
[08:34] <Ribs> jono, *forever*
[08:34] <jono> Ribs: really?
[08:34] <Ribs> unless you have a top-notch G5, you'd be there for days
[08:35] <Ribs> I wouldn't even attempt it on anything less than a G4
[08:35] <jono> Ribs: well this is a dual processor 2ghz g5 with 4gb ram and 250gb disk space
[08:35] <Ribs> oh well, 20 minutes then
[08:35] <jono> really?
[08:35] <Ribs> ...
[08:35] <sensebend> that seems  a bit short
[08:35] <Ribs> dude, openoffice is a huge project
[08:35] <jono> I know
[08:35] <sensebend> ;)
[08:35] <Ribs> I wasn't serious when I said 20 minutes
[08:36] <jono> hence looking for an estimate
[08:36] <jono> I know
[08:36] <jono> I estimate on the machine it would take a couple of days
[08:36] <Ribs> my only experience of compiling that beast is on a Althon-XP
[08:36] <jonc> jono -- takes me about 16 hours on a 1.6GHZ P4 with 512MB RAM.
[08:36] <Ribs> it took around 12 hours, I think
[08:36] <Ribs> and, of course, you don't want it to fail near the end
[08:36] <Ribs> 'cos then you'll just break down and cry
[08:36] <jono> jonc: right, so I could maybe do it in and around 10 hours then
[08:36] <Ribs> you'll cry like a baby
[08:37] <sensebend> well you can't directly compare clockspeed between PCC and x86
[08:37] <jonc> Yeah.  I'd think so.  Maybe a bit less.
[08:37] <jono> cool
[08:40] <jonc> Anybody know how to mount an initrd image?
[08:41] <sir_latin> is it possible to install other window managers in ubuntu?
[08:42] <grepper> jonc, mount -o loop
[08:42] <ArCHoNKoG> sir_latin, yes
[08:42] <stuNNed> sensebend, download marillat's key, save it to a text file like marillat.asc then import it with apt-key add marillat.asc, might as well get ubuntu-keyring as well
[08:42] <jonc> grepper -- it gets angry when I do that.
[08:42] <grepper> what is the full command you are using ?
[08:43] <sir_latin> ArCHoNKoG: how? I tried to check out with the package system, and apt-get. But they are not there. does it mean I have to do this manually and make it eventually unstable?
[08:43] <jonc> mount -o loop -t romfs initrd.img [mount point] 
[08:43] <sensebend> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[08:43] <sensebend> downloaded the .gpg file from the repo
[08:43] <grepper> forget the -t
[08:43] <sir_latin> ArCHoNKoG: I've installed it on a VM, and planning to install it on a Pentium 233 Mhz MMX with 48 MB RAM, so I'd rather not use Gnome...
[08:43] <grepper> mount -o loop initrd.img /mountpoint
[08:43] <arctick> is there a cdripper that supports cddb? sound juicer dosnt seem to
[08:43] <jonc>  mount -o loop initrd.img initrd
[08:43] <jonc> ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy
[08:43] <jonc> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[08:45] <grepper> $ mount -o loop initrd /mnt/temp
[08:45] <grepper> [root@phebehouse boot]  $
[08:45] <jonc> Drugs are bad.
[08:45] <Quest-Master> I'm going to pull out 64MB RAM out of my bro's computer and put it in mine 8)
[08:45] <Quest-Master> hehe
[08:45] <jonc> Weird..
[08:46] <grepper> jonc, do you have anything else mounted using the loop device ?
[08:47] <jonc> Was just checking on that.
[08:47] <jonc> Doesn't look like it, but the "must specify filesystem type" warning goes away if I give it a specific loopback device to use.
[08:48] <jonc> Odd.
[08:48] <jonc> Well, depending on which loopback device I give it, anyhow.
[08:48] <grepper> that makes sense
[08:48] <jonc> Devices 0 and 1 produce no warning, but 2 complains that I need to give it a filesystem type.
[08:48] <jonc> Yeah?
[08:49] <grepper> well, its probably just an error message as a result of the first, not necessarily a useful instruction
[08:49] <jonc> Fair enough.
[08:50] <grepper> yeah, -o loop -t cramfs  works just as well . . . dunno
[08:50] <grepper> ps aux|grep loop ?
[08:51] <jonc> root     22403  0.0  0.0     0    0 ?        S<   14:42   0:00 [loop0] 
[08:51] <jonc> root     22419  0.0  0.0     0    0 ?        S<   14:43   0:00 [loop1] 
[08:51] <jonc> root     22506  0.0  0.0     0    0 ?        S<   14:47   0:00 [loop2] 
[08:51] <jonc> root     22550  0.0  0.1  1472  520 pts/0    S+   14:50   0:00 grep loop
[08:51] <jonc> And then they just keep showing up as I try to use them.
[08:51] <grepper> you have 3 images mounted ?
[08:52] <jonc> (i.e. if I do -o loop=/dev/loop3, it'll appear there)
[08:52] <jonc> None successfully.
[08:52] <grepper> try killing them and trying again
[08:52] <jonc> They don't seem to want to be killed normally..  guess I'll try -9..
[08:53] <ArCHoNKoG> does anyone know how to make app lancher for apps in hoary
[08:53] <jonc> Yeah.  So kill -9 doesn't do a thing, either.  Is there some other way I should be tackling this?
[08:55] <grepper> not sure
[08:56] <jonc> Huh..
[08:57] <grepper> jonc:  losetup -d  perhaps
[08:58] <jonc> Ah -- excellent call.
[08:58] <jonc> Still back with the original problem of it not actually mounting, though.
[08:58] <jonc> Eats a loopback device, but doesn't actually do anything useful with it.
[08:59] <grepper> when you mount it, what does losetup /dev/loop<N>  say ?
[08:59] <joolz> hello everybody
[08:59] <grepper> # losetup /dev/loop0
[08:59] <grepper> /dev/loop0: [0303] :13 (initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-386)
[08:59] <joolz> i have a problem with a new dual boot ubuntu installation
[09:00] <IBOIC> hey
[09:00] <joolz> i can't boot from win2k anymore, and when i mount the win2k fat32 partition all firectories look like files, size 0, type unknown
[09:00] <joolz> am i doing something wrong?
[09:00] <jonc> Interesting.
[09:00] <jonc> # losetup /dev/loop0
[09:00] <jonc> /dev/loop0: [0304] :11313838 (initrd.img)
[09:01] <grepper> heh
[09:01] <joolz> the same system used to run on fedora dual boot with win2k, then it worked fine
[09:01] <grepper> jonc, and "ls /your/mountpoint" shows it as empty ?
[09:01] <IBOIC> joolz:   libparted bug?
[09:01] <joolz> IBOIC: maybe. how can i tell?
[09:01] <IBOIC> joolz:  can u get into grub but it just wont go to windows?
[09:02] <IBOIC> joolz:  does grub come up?
[09:02] <jonc> grepper -- this wouldn't be fun if it wasn't empty, now would it? ;)
[09:02] <joolz> IBOIC: when I choose windows in grub, i get a grub prompt
[09:02] <joolz> when i choose ub. in grud it boots just fine
[09:02] <IBOIC> it brings u back to grub?
[09:02] <joolz> grub that is
[09:02] <joolz> yes
[09:02] <IBOIC> joolz:  When u do windows in grub, what happens?
[09:02] <grepper> jonc, I have been helping on irc for quite and while and have seen much worse ;)
[09:02] <joolz> IBOIC: i get a grub prompt
[09:02] <IBOIC> it brings u back to grub?
[09:02] <grepper> no insult intended
[09:02] <joolz> IBOIC: yes
[09:02] <IBOIC> hmmmm
[09:02] <jonc> None taken.
[09:03] <joolz> IBOIC: any idea?
[09:03] <grepper> jonc, heck, I have *done* much worse myself
[09:03] <IBOIC> joolz:  Cause with the libparted bug it actually went to a blank screen after u selected it
[09:03] <IBOIC> joolz that was fixed in the new upstream
[09:03] <IBOIC> joolz will be fixed with hoary
[09:03] <IBOIC> but
[09:03] <joolz> IBOIC: i did all the updates
[09:03] <IBOIC> i dont know if its the same thing
[09:03] <IBOIC> joolz:  Can u download to test?
[09:03] <joolz> IBOIC: maybe I should go to hoary then?
[09:03] <IBOIC> joolz:  download array 2
[09:04] <IBOIC> joolz:  And see if it fixes the problem
[09:04] <joolz> IBOIC: where do I find it?
[09:04] <IBOIC> if it doesnt then report the bug
[09:04] <jonc> But, yeah..  eats the device, says it's mounted, directory is empty.
[09:04] <jonc> file insists that it is not an empty image.
[09:04] <IBOIC> joolz:  * Upgraded parted by several upstream versions; while this changed API/ABI so several other packages needed to be rebuilt, this is believed finally to correct the problem where Ubuntu installations rendered Windows unbootable with certain partition table layouts and BIOS versions (#1566). Please test.
[09:04] <jonc> `file`
[09:04] <IBOIC> joolz:  im not 100% if this is your problem or not
[09:05] <jonc> OH.
[09:05] <joolz> IBOIC: it's worth at try
[09:05] <IBOIC> joolz:  Try the array 2, it wont go into x tho
[09:05] <IBOIC> joolz:  array 2 has other issues but u can configure x yourself
[09:05] <jonc> Waaaait a second..  this is a big-endian image from a PPC box.  I'm trying to repair it from my x86 box.  Could that be screwing with things?
[09:06] <joolz> IBOIC: how do I try the array 2? I only know array as a datatype :)
[09:06] <IBOIC> joolz http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/hoary/array-2/
[09:06] <joolz> IBOIC: ok, thanks!
[09:06] <IBOIC> joolz:  Try it for the partitioning bug to see if it works
[09:06] <IBOIC> if its still a bug report it
[09:06] <IBOIC> i want this quashed, its a showstopper for some :)
[09:06] <IBOIC> like me
[09:06] <IBOIC> the new one fixes it tho
[09:06] <IBOIC> for me
[09:06] <grepper> jonc, sounds like as good an explaination as any
[09:06] <joolz> array2 is a whole new install?
[09:07] <grepper> I was about to ask if the initrd was a 0 byte file :)
[09:07] <IBOIC> joolz yes
[09:07] <joolz> can't i edit sources.apt to do this automagically for me?
[09:07] <IBOIC> joolz:  No
[09:07] <joolz> IBOIC: ok, tx
[09:07] <IBOIC> joolz:  its a problem with the installer i heard
[09:07] <jonc> Nah -- about 4 megs.
[09:07] <jonc> Hrm..  and that's not it.
[09:08] <joolz> IBOIC: hope I haven't ruined the windows partition. There's data on them
[09:08] <jonc> The native initrd is producing exactly the same problem.
[09:08] <IBOIC> joolz:  dunno
[09:08] <joolz> IBOIC: :)
[09:08] <IBOIC> joolz:  Just redo the mbr in windows
[09:08] <IBOIC> for me i just redid the mbr with fixmbr
[09:08] <IBOIC> and it was fine after that
[09:08] <Guardiann> damm this distro is fast
[09:08] <joolz> IBOIC: fixmbr is on the win2k cd then, i guess?
[09:09] <sobralense> a bit broken if u're using hoary =P , but warty is fast
[09:09] <IBOIC> joolz im not sure on win2k, for xp pro, its on the cd where u go into recovery console
[09:09] <joolz> IBOIC: ok, i'll go and have a look
[09:09] <Guardiann> how do you tell if your using warty
[09:09] <IBOIC> joolz:  ubuntu is ALMOST ready for all............
[09:10] <IBOIC> just need to fix a few nasty config bugs
[09:10] <IBOIC> hoary for ALL!
[09:10] <IBOIC> :)
[09:10] <joolz> IBOIC: i never had any problems (about 5 installs so far). This is the first one
[09:10] <IBOIC> joolz:  Hmm different machine?
[09:10] <joolz> IBOIC: yes
[09:10] <IBOIC> joolz:  What system?
[09:10] <joolz> IBOIC: all six different
[09:10] <IBOIC> joolz:  What motherboard on this one or make of system
[09:10] <joolz> IBOIC: "R&R Data" :)
[09:11] <jonc> grepper -- Just associated a loop device with the file using losetup.  Trying to mount the loopback device itself (mount /dev/loop0...), but it needs a filesystem type.
[09:11] <IBOIC> joolz what brand motherboard?
[09:11] <joolz> motherboard, i have no idea
[09:11] <IBOIC> joolz ok
[09:11] <jonc> Any idea what it wants?
[09:11] <joolz> how do I find it
[09:11] <IBOIC> joolz:  with my dell i had a problem
[09:11] <IBOIC> joolz:  Dimension 8300
[09:11] <IBOIC> i was curious as to which systems
[09:11] <joolz> IBOIC: it's not a Dell, that much i know :)
[09:11] <IBOIC> it could be a bios thing
[09:11] <IBOIC> oh well :P
[09:12] <Guardiann> anyone know how to get Java working with Firefox using Ubuntu
[09:12] <jonc> OH.  Heh.  You know what would really help this process along?
[09:13] <jonc> Me compiling cramfs support into my kernel ;)
[09:13] <joolz> tx IBOIC, cu
[09:14] <zerokarmaleft> Guardiann, check http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre-mozilla
[09:15] <Guardiann> zerokarmaleft thankyou
[09:15] <jonc> Mm..  cramfs support doesn't seem to be making much of a difference.
[09:18] <imac> ...
[09:19] <imac> is this thing working?
[09:19] <Guardiann> hmm that didnt work
[09:20] <imac> okay thanks, i will try something else
[09:20] <imac> any idea on how to set-up a printer?
[09:21] <cinco> how can i login as "superuser" since the install dont give you anytime to wright the password ?
[09:21] <kezz> use sudo
[09:21] <kezz> and use ur normal password
[09:21] <cinco> sudo as user on the login?
[09:22] <sobralense> =( Made some mistakes here.. I uninstalled all the packages named with "cups" and gnome has gone  =P
[09:22] <sobralense> does have a way to remove cups and dont fuc...k gnome?
[09:22] <kezz> cinco, no log in as a normal user
[09:22] <zerokarmaleft> Guardiann, you've got jre installed properly?
[09:22] <kezz> then open a terminal and use sudo <command> to do stuff as root
[09:22] <imac> the drivers for the printer seemed to install okay, and print status is printing; but not action from the printer
[09:23] <Guardiann> with ubuntu its an rpm correct?
[09:23] <kezz> deb
[09:23] <bkuebler> cinco, if you really want to, you can sudo passwd root
[09:23] <zerokarmaleft> Guardiann, .bin with these instructions... http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[09:24] <cinco> thankyou
[09:31] <cinco> XFree cant find my screen, so I cant start up X.. any clue to what i could do yo fix it?
[09:32] <Guardiann> zerokarmaleft does Ubuntu use the Java rpm ?
[09:33] <siretart> Guardiann: no. ubuntu is debian based
[09:33] <xiximkopp> has anybody a working nvidia driver (close source) with glx in hoary???
[09:33] <kezz> guardian you need to get the binary .bin package
[09:34] <Guardiann> thanks
[09:34] <Guardiann> what makes this distro so fast
[09:34] <siretart> Guardiann: get the 1.4.2 bin file, and produce a debian package with java-package, which you install
[09:35] <kezz> or just ./package.bin in the relevant folder
[09:35] <jonc> Guardian -- it's fast because it's made of technology.
[09:36] <Guardiann> :)
[09:36] <siretart> kezz: I would not recommend that. it does not integrate into ubuntu as nicely as with java-package
[09:36] <Guardiann> its incredibly quick
[09:36] <kezz> ah fair enough
[09:36] <kezz> ive only been using it for a couple of days
[09:37] <xiximkopp> anybody has a working 3d-accelrated nvidia enviroment in hoary??
[09:37] <Seq> there are full java instructions on the wiki, as well
[09:39] <imac> any ubuntu savy users that can answer a printing question?
[09:40] <sobralense> dont talk about printing.. remember me the cups that I removed and gnome gone together
[09:43] <imac> eh? removing cups?
[09:43] <sobralense> removed some gnome libs
[09:43] <imac> icy
[09:44] <sobralense> maybe was because I put together universe, hoary stable and some non oficial at source list
[09:46] <Guardiann> zerokarmaleft Thankyou I got it running
[09:46] <zerokarmaleft> sure thing
[09:56] <imac> ...
[09:56] <imac> 4
[09:57] <Guardiann> does ubuntu come with a c compiler
[09:57] <Amaranth> Guardiann: try gcc -v
[09:58] <Guardiann> command not found
[09:59] <kezz> no gcc?
[10:00] <Guardiann> nope
[10:00] <kezz> good point
[10:00] <siretart> Guardiann: apt-get install build-essential
[10:00] <kezz> have to install that then
[10:00] <siretart> Guardiann: then you get a c compiler. it is not installed by default
[10:00] <Guardiann> ah ok as root?
[10:00] <siretart> Guardiann: yes, prepend sudo
[10:02] <Guardiann> nice now how do i get glib
[10:03] <bkuebler> Guardiann, have you looked at synaptic yet?
[10:03] <Guardiann> no just installed
[10:04] <Guardiann> where would that be
[10:04] <wolverian> hmm, my hoary won't boot into gnome anymore. any recent breakages I don't know about? :)
[10:05] <siretart> Guardiann: sudo apt-get install libglib-dev
[10:05] <bkuebler> Guardiann, hit alt+f2 and typ ein synaptic
[10:06] <Guardiann> must run as root
[10:07] <kezz> sudo /usr/sbin/synaptic
[10:07] <siretart> Guardiann: try alt+f2 and "gksudo synaptic"
[10:08] <kezz> or click computer->configuration->synaptic
[10:08] <kezz> system configuration*
[10:09] <bkuebler> let me ask this...
[10:10] <bkuebler> I just installed ubuntu on my sisters laptop.. I don't use it.
[10:10] <bkuebler> Why don't more of you just do 'sudo passwd root' ?
[10:11] <zenrox> i chouse not to
[10:11] <bkuebler> I only ask out of curiousity.
[10:11] <zenrox> chose
[10:11] <zenrox> i think sudo is better
[10:11] <zenrox> i like my root but not when sudo does it better for me
[10:11] <zenrox> to get to root is more steps
[10:12] <zenrox> sudo cuts a lote of that out
[10:12] <zenrox> imho
[10:12] <siretart> bkuebler: why should we? whats the advantage of doing that?
[10:13] <Haukkari> umm
[10:13] <Haukkari> I do have a password on root
[10:13] <Haukkari> So I don't have to write sudo in front every time I do stuff
[10:13] <bkuebler> well, I guess it's just what you get used to. I thought it was a pain in the ass to keep having to sudo everytime I wanted to edit  something in /etc
[10:13] <Haukkari> It's just that I'm not used to sudoing, I'm sure it's just as good a way as anything
[10:14] <bkuebler> exactly.
[10:14] <kezz> sudo /bin/bash
[10:14] <siretart> Haukkari: try "sudo -s"
[10:14] <siretart> Haukkari: if you need $HOME to be /root, use "sudo -s -H"
[10:14] <Haukkari> wow.
[10:14] <Amaranth> bkuebler: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:15] <bkuebler> cool.. thanks for the info. I am sure I will learn something.
[10:15] <IBOIC> Chery Automobile Co. Ltd is bringing chinese cars to the usa
[10:16] <bkuebler> I thought it was pretty stupid at first, but then I thought " there are a lot of developers on this project that are a lot smarter than me."
[10:16] <Amaranth> Haukkari: sudo passwd -l root
[10:16] <IBOIC> from korean to chinese
[10:16] <IBOIC> :P
[10:16] <bkuebler> they must have a good reason to do it.
[10:16] <cartman> how can I run a command on every startup?
[10:16] <IBOIC> :P
[10:16] <Amaranth> bkuebler: security by obscurity, actually
[10:16] <IBOIC> i want my ubuntu with that please
[10:17] <bkuebler> cartman, put it in rc.local
[10:17] <Amaranth> bkuebler: everyone knows that root exists and can try to break into a machine with it
[10:17] <IBOIC> when is array 3 gonna come out
[10:17] <IBOIC> i want to put ubuntu back on my system
[10:17] <bkuebler> Amaranth, very true...
[10:17] <cartman> bkuebler: where is it?
[10:17] <Amaranth> bkuebler: but with your own account being the account that you work from they need to know the username and the password
[10:17] <AndyR> IBOIC, you going to do the translation?
[10:17] <cinco> anyone that has had trouble with radeon x800pro and lcd screen?
[10:17] <IBOIC> andyr:  Ill volunteer to help in any way i can
[10:17] <maps73> cartman, try tu use rc.x?
[10:17] <bkuebler> Amaranth, I just don't allow root logins.
[10:17] <IBOIC> andyr:  What translation is needed ? :)
[10:18] <bkuebler> I guess it's sort of the same thing.
[10:18] <cartman> maps73: looks like the only solution hmmpf
[10:18] <siretart> cartman: install a cronjob with time @reboot
[10:18] <AndyR> IBOIC, i have no idea, im not a developer
[10:18] <maps73> cartman, why?
[10:18] <IBOIC> andyr:  Oh
[10:18] <Amaranth> bkuebler: sudo passwd -l root locks the root account for you
[10:18] <kezz> cartman put it in your rc scripts
[10:18] <bkuebler> cool..
[10:18] <Amaranth> bkuebler: locking ssh access to it isn't enough if someone has physical access to your machine and limited time
[10:18] <bkuebler> Right..
[10:19] <bkuebler> I don't allow local logins either.
[10:19] <bkuebler> you have to su to it.
[10:19] <IBOIC> linux distros need to start merging resources
[10:19] <IBOIC> too many distros
[10:19] <IBOIC> of the small ones i mean
[10:19] <Amaranth> IBOIC: countries need to start merging resources
[10:19] <AndyR> but having been part of a dev team for another dist i know it is a pain when ppl want all the time
[10:19] <Amaranth> too many countries
[10:19] <rushibhai> hi all. anyone have opinions about hoary vs warty for amd64?
[10:19] <Amaranth> of the small ones i mean
[10:19] <Amaranth> :P
[10:19] <IBOIC> amaranth:  They are........... european union for example
[10:20] <IBOIC> amaranth:  nafta in the usa
[10:20] <IBOIC> err americas
[10:20] <IBOIC> amaranth:  Its happening........
[10:20] <Amaranth> that's economic convergence
[10:20] <IBOIC> amaranth:  With linux distros tho its like you have literally hundreds of em
[10:21] <IBOIC> and much of them replicate each other
[10:21] <se5a> When I run the synaptic package manager I keep getting "Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root: child terminated with 1 status
[10:21] <kezz> se5a did you change ur root pass?
[10:21] <se5a> yea
[10:21] <kezz> try running it with ur notmal pass
[10:22] <kezz> se5a, you can run it from a terminal using sudo /usr/sbin/synaptic if you changed the root pass
[10:22] <IBOIC> distrowatch went down
[10:22] <IBOIC> was gonna see what new distros there are and how ubuntu was ranked :P
[10:22] <se5a> ok
[10:24] <bkuebler> IBOIC, http://distrowatch.planetmirror.com/
[10:25] <IBOIC> not working either
[10:25] <IBOIC> my isp is prolly the ones with issues
[10:25] <IBOIC> oh there it came up
[10:25] <IBOIC> my cable provider sucks
[10:26] <bkuebler> they have several mirrors if that one is slow
[10:26] <IBOIC> mediainlinux
[10:26] <IBOIC> livecd with gnome
[10:26] <IBOIC> lol
[10:26] <bkuebler> http://distrowatch.linuxcult.com/ is faster
[10:26] <IBOIC> see another replications :)
[10:27] <IBOIC> mediainlinux, why would someone want a media cd not installed
[10:27] <IBOIC> since media files take alot of space
[10:27] <IBOIC> interesting tho
[10:27] <IBOIC> :P
[10:40] <drspin> yummy netsplit
[10:49] <se5a> I need to find an ANSI C compiler, what should I look for?
[10:50] <siretart> se5a: apt-get install build-essential
[10:51] <ik5pvx> how is support for G5 ?
[10:51] <imac> ,.,
[10:52] <kezz> se5a: gcc?
[10:54] <se5a> says I already have apt-get, trying gcc
[10:54] <se5a> gcc worked!
[10:54] <kezz> no you need to install build-essentials , it will then install a build environment
[10:54] <kezz> including gcc
[10:54] <se5a> oh right
[11:04] <imac> ...
[11:10] <warty> I just installed ubuntu and am getting an error about pciehp and shpchp. on the ubuntu faq it says to blacklist them and that its not a big deal
[11:10] <warty> however, its a big deal because I hang after I get those errors
[11:10] <warty> i hang whether I blacklist those modules or not
[11:13] <Mojo_Jojo_> Hi, in hoary how do I stop the windows from grouping together?
[11:13] <seb128> ie ?
[11:14] <grepper> Mojo_Jojo_, r-click on the edge of the window list applet
[11:15] <grepper> you'll see "preferences"
[11:15] <Mojo_Jojo_> dont see it :s
[11:15] <grepper> maybe you mean something different
[11:15] <Mojo_Jojo_> grepper,  I can see "properties"
[11:16] <seb128> yep
[11:16] <seb128> you have an option for grouping or not here
[11:16] <seb128> but not sure if that's what you want
[11:16] <grepper> I'll talking about the  taskbar like applet
[11:16] <Mojo_Jojo_> nothing in panel properties
[11:16] <seb128> not, the stuff grouping the apps
[11:17] <kezz> ur r-clicking the wrong bit
[11:17] <grepper> not on the panel, on the little bar to the left of the window list applet
[11:17] <seb128> on the left of it
[11:17] <Mojo_Jojo_> in nautilus???
[11:18] <seb128> that's why I was asking "ie ?"
[11:18] <seb128> could you provide some details
[11:18] <seb128> grouping what ?
[11:18] <Doomahmmer> hello
[11:18] <Doomahmmer> anyone wanna help me for a minute? :)
[11:18] <seb128> you are speaking about the applet on the panel to list the open windows
[11:18] <seb128> with the titles ?
[11:18] <seb128> don't ask to ask, just ask
[11:18] <Doomahmmer> does Ubuntu come with GCC and GTK+?
[11:18] <Mojo_Jojo_> oh, I ment when I have more then one of the same applicion open it "groups" in the bottem panel and it's annoying
[11:19] <seb128> "come with" ? libgtk2.0-0 is installed by default yes
[11:19] <Doomahmmer> then why can't XMMS see it? :?
[11:19] <seb128> there is not build environment in the standard install but you can apt-get it
[11:19] <seb128> or use synaptic
[11:19] <seb128> or whatever
[11:19] <poningru> query: Do you guys know where I can get the installer .iso with the new 2.6 kernel
[11:19] <Doomahmmer> hmmm i've never used APT -- before I tried Ubuntu just now I was a Gentoo man
[11:19] <drspin> Warty has 2.6
[11:20] <Doomahmmer> how would I apt-get GCC?
[11:20] <seb128> what do you use ? synaptic ?
[11:20] <seb128> apt-cache search gcc
[11:20] <seb128> apt-cache search gcc --names-only even
[11:20] <zenwhen> Doomahmmer, apt-get install build-essential
[11:20] <Doomahmmer> Gentoo uses a debian-ish package manager called Portage
[11:20] <seb128> you can apt-get install xmms too
[11:20] <poningru> really? because when I install it, one of the things that says is 2.4
[11:21] <Doomahmmer> ah, thanks zenwhen and seb128 -- i'll try that
[11:21] <poningru> not 2.6
[11:21] <zenwhen> You can apt-get install most anything
[11:21] <seb128> Mojo_Jojo_: the area with the applications listed
[11:21] <poningru> torrent from the website
[11:21] <Doomahmmer> same with portage -- apt seems to be very similar
[11:21] <seb128> there is an anchor on the left
[11:21] <seb128> right click on it
[11:22] <Doomahmmer> so XMMS still says that it can't find GTK+ installed ... how do I get it to see it?
[11:22] <Mojo_Jojo_> ahh ok there we go :D:D thanks seb128 :)
[11:22] <Guardiann> i just had the same problem
[11:22] <zenwhen> Doomahmmer, why are you building xmms from source anyway?
[11:22] <Doomahmmer> when I run /usr/bin/xmms it says "can't open libgtk-1.2.so.0"
[11:22] <Doomahmmer> i was trying to because i didn't know that Ubuntu had a package manager
[11:22] <kezz> anybody suggest a reason why cd playback volume is really low but sounds effects are normal
[11:22] <Doomahmmer> i couldn't build it, so i installed the RPM
[11:22] <siretart> Doomahmmer: apt-get build-dep xmms
[11:23] <Mojo_Jojo_> one more Q how do I enable dma on my hdc and hda and add dma on boot :D
[11:23] <Doomahmmer> Mojo: edit /etc/fstab
[11:23] <Doomahmmer> i think you can set up DMA in there ...
[11:23] <searcher`> kezz: from the terminal, try alsamixer
[11:23] <seb128> Doomahmmer: apt-get install xmms
[11:24] <Mojo_Jojo_> I don't know how to add in dma :s
[11:24] <seb128> Doomahmmer: why not using the package, it'll grab the depends
[11:24] <Doomahmmer> i think it does it by default -- are you sure it isn't enabled?
[11:24] <searcher`> Mojo_Jojo_: you can use hdparm for that .. but check if it's enabled yeah
[11:24] <Mojo_Jojo_> how do I check?
[11:24] <searcher`> hdparm -i /dev/hda
[11:24] <irbdavid> hiya, i have a question: if i d/l a few .deb packages now (while i'm on broadband), will i be able to install them on ubuntu when i get it installed?
[11:24] <searcher`> or just leave out the -i
[11:25] <Doomahmmer> my Seagate IDE drive is using DMA
[11:25] <searcher`> irbdavid: dpkg -i <package.deb>
[11:25] <searcher`> irbdavid: so, yes :-)
[11:25] <searcher`> make sure you check all the dependencies
[11:25] <irbdavid> yeah. does ubuntu have a package management thing like apt-get then?
[11:25] <Doomahmmer> it has exactly that: apt-get
[11:26] <zenwhen> lol
[11:26] <Doomahmmer> kickass, XMMS can play my MP3s
[11:26] <Doomahmmer> that media player that was installed by default sucked ass
[11:26] <Doomahmmer> XMMS rules
[11:26] <zenwhen> I dont like rhythmbox much either.
[11:26] <Mojo_Jojo_> ok, dma is on...I guess but why do my videos seem to lag like it misses a few frames? BTW it happens to dvds also
[11:26] <Doomahmmer> :D
[11:26] <kezz> searcher: thanks but that just adjusts the volume the same as the gnome volume control
[11:26] <zenwhen> I use MPD
[11:26] <searcher`> Doomahmmer: if you install the gstreamer-0.8 mp3 plugin anything can play mp3's in gnome
[11:27] <searcher`> kezz: what kind of sound card do you have?
[11:27] <Doomahmmer> meh, I'm happy with mah XMMS -- i'm used to using Winamp anyway
[11:27] <kezz> its an onboard one (ibook)
[11:27] <searcher`> kezz: i'm still using a SB live! that has a lot of options gnome volume won't show
[11:27] <irbdavid> cool cool
[11:27] <drspin> my gnome shows WAY too many options
[11:27] <irbdavid> next question: does it have ACPI support?
[11:28] <irbdavid> in as much as any linux version does...
[11:28] <drspin> I have a mixer for Cirrus Logic ... (OSS), a mixer for SB LIve (alsa), a mixer for bt87x, and a mixer for bt878 :/
[11:29] <drspin> brb
[11:30] <Doomahmmer> ah man it's nice to be using Gnome again, after all the time I spent with KDE
[11:30] <searcher`> Doomahmmer: there's a difference between those two?
[11:30] <grepper> is there a clipboard applet for gnome ?
[11:31] <Doomahmmer> a slight one -- everything feels a bit different...
[11:31] <grepper> I know about xclipboard
[11:32] <Doomahmmer> now, i have one more question:
[11:32] <Doomahmmer> I have a splashimage for GRUB, but it isn't in the partition in which GRUB is installed
[11:32] <fLoW> hello, i'm a linux noob... i started of with gentoo, with was a little bit to much to handle to begin with :p so i reformatted after some months with ubuntu... i do have 2 problems: 1: my musiccard (SB Live! digital surroundcard) is installed, alsamixer is configured good, but i can't get any sound? does anyone know what the problem might be?   and 2: when i run apt-get install bootsplash (with the patch for the kernel installed) it allways makes a
[11:32] <fLoW> n error(if i'm allowed i'll c/p it here ok?)
[11:33] <Doomahmmer> do you have OSS installed and configured?
[11:33] <searcher`> fLoW: do you have an onboard soundcard?
[11:33] <fLoW> jes i do but it's turned of in bios
[11:33] <Doomahmmer> i beleve he is using SB Live! - or trying to
[11:33] <fLoW> searched 2 weeks on that with my gentoo install :p
[11:34] <Doomahmmer> i love Gentoo ;)
[11:34] <fLoW> so do I no
[11:34] <searcher`> yup, but if the second onboard soundcard becomes the default card hw:0,0 and you aren't plugged into it ... well you do the math
[11:34] <Doomahmmer> hard to set up, but it really teaches you how stuff works
[11:34] <fLoW> just what i was going to say Doomahmmer :p
[11:34] <Doomahmmer> try plugging your headphones / speakers / whatevers into the onboard sound porn
[11:35] <searcher`> fLoW: did you actually patch your kernel for bootsplash support?
[11:35] <Doomahmmer> sound port* lol
[11:35] <fLoW> searcher
[11:35] <fLoW> jep
[11:35] <searcher`> freudian spelling error :P
[11:35] <Doomahmmer> :D
[11:35] <fLoW> :)
[11:35] <searcher`> recompiled, ran grub
[11:35] <searcher`> etc.
[11:35] <fLoW> but i cant run make xconfig either
[11:35] <fLoW> when in usr/src/kernel
[11:36] <searcher`> so you patched your kernel, but didn't actually build the new kernel?
[11:36] <fLoW> CRAP
[11:36] <fLoW> :)
[11:36] <searcher`> what's the error you're getting from bootsplash
[11:36] <Fazer> crimsun: Are you there? This is Xed
[11:36] <Fazer> Well, not really, but I am tlaking to him on the phone..
[11:36] <searcher`> fLoW: http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm
[11:37] <searcher`> that'll show you how to build a debian kernel
[11:37] <searcher`> (and install it too)
[11:37] <fLoW> Fouten gevonden tijdens behandelen van:
[11:37] <fLoW>  bootsplash
[11:37] <fLoW>  bootsplash-theme-misspingus4
[11:37] <fLoW> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:37] <fLoW> aah crap
[11:37] <fLoW> sorry its dutch :s
[11:37] <fLoW> well, top of it is :s
[11:37] <searcher`> that's not really very descriptive
[11:37] <fLoW> .. :)
[11:37] <fLoW> i tought so too
[11:37] <kezz> problems found during handling of
[11:38] <fLoW> ya, but your right
[11:38] <searcher`> anything in the logs?
[11:38] <fLoW> its because it isn't recompiled
[11:38] <searcher`> or you could just wait till the next release, it's supposed to be in there by then
[11:38] <searcher`> that would be .. april i think
[11:38] <fLoW> the 2.6.10 kernel ?
[11:39] <fLoW> or will it be on the 12 ?
[11:39] <searcher`> no, ubuntu dist
[11:39] <fLoW> aaah
[11:39] <fLoW> ya but i like messing around with my OS :p
[11:39] <Fazer> How do I make ubuntu recognize my wireless card?
[11:40] <searcher`> fLoW: well then the kernel is a good place to start messing :P
[11:40] <Mojo_Jojo_> has anyone tied doom3 with an ati card?? I read somewhere a while back that it wont work.
[11:40] <kezz> depends on which card it is
[11:40] <fLoW> hehe
[11:40] <fLoW> euhm
[11:40] <searcher`> fLoW: lots of fun trying to figure out what went wrong from a chroot :P
[11:40] <Mojo_Jojo_> 9600 mobility
[11:40] <Doomhammer> Mojo: I think they fixed that ATI bug
[11:40] <fLoW> mojo, i have an ati card, and i ran doom3 on my gentoo system
[11:41] <Quest-Master> I'm considering getting an nVidia since they support Linuxers much better
[11:41] <fLoW> just follow some how-to you pick of google
[11:41] <kezz> sorry Mojo_Jojo_ i was talking to Fazer
[11:41] <fragment> Is the old palette on the wiki still the official palette?
[11:41] <Mojo_Jojo_> oh haha
[11:41] <fLoW> just make sure you have the newest linux ati drivers
[11:41] <Mojo_Jojo_> Doomhammer, do I don't have to worry about it not working? where can I get the installer?
[11:42] <Doomhammer> it should work fine, and i'm not sure where to get the installer
[11:42] <Fazer> kezz: I think the card is supported by Linux, but it doesn't show up in the wireless config. then on Ubuntu
[11:43] <Mojo_Jojo_> Doomhammer, ok i'll take a look around for it :)
[11:45] <searcher`> fLoW: about not hearing sound ...
[11:45] <searcher`> fLoW: are you a part of the `audio' group?
[11:45] <Fazer> hmm what does Cash back mean when you use yourd debit card at like..walmart?
[11:46] <Doomhammer> Fazer: you use yer card to pay for the purchase and give 'em a little extra
[11:46] <Crane> H e l l o
[11:46] <Crane> a l l
[11:46] <Doomhammer> then they give you the extra $$$ ;)
[11:47] <Fazer> Doomhammer: Oh so almost like an ATM machine?
[11:48] <Doomhammer> Fazer: yes
[11:49] <Doomhammer> but you pay for the purchase AND get money back
[11:49] <Fazer> cool
[11:49] <aamcf> hi - I was just installing Ubuntu on a PC that dual boots Suse and Windows 98 using Lilo. The install CD was corrupt, so the install wouldn't complete. I was trying to overwrite the suse install. I get `LI' and then the system hangs
[11:49] <Doomhammer> so it doesn't boot at all?
[11:49] <aamcf> is there an easy way to fix this? I've got the win98 CD and a debian net install CD too
[11:49] <Doomhammer> i think it borked yet LILO, dude
[11:49] <aamcf> doesn't boot at all
[11:50] <fLoW> searcher`, : no id, how do i check that?
[11:50] <Doomhammer> you might try booting up on a LiveCD like Knoppix and see if ya can fix it
[11:50] <searcher`> fLoW: it's in the system admin bit of gnome, for your user
[11:51] <aamcf> I'm on a live Ubutnu CD now
[11:51] <searcher`> fLoW: just check if any of the groups says audio
[11:51] <aamcf> what should I do to fix it?
[11:51] <Doomhammer> you're going to have to re-install and re-configure LILO
[11:51] <Doomhammer> or you could just install a distro over top of the corrupt thing
[11:51] <searcher`> aamcf: you're on the livecd?
[11:52] <x66221> installing ubuntu for first time ... so far so good ... it's automatically getting updates right now :)
[11:52] <fLoW> searcher: i have no id where to search...
[11:52] <searcher`> if so, you can run a bootloader from any of the installed distro's
[11:52] <Markrian> In Gnome 2.8, when one adds a new application to the list of applications that can open a particular type of file, it only appears in the context menu as the filename of the application itself, like 'eog'
[11:52] <searcher`> fLoW: hold up, i'll check
[11:52] <Markrian> This is unhelpful ;o
[11:52] <aamcf> is it possible to insall the bootloader from the live CD?
[11:52] <Markrian> How can items be added so they appear as, say, "Image Viewer" but open eog?
[11:52] <fLoW> thx
[11:53] <Doomhammer> it's possible, buy i'm not sure how easy
[11:53] <Doomhammer> you would need to fdisk yer hard drive and make a partition bootable
[11:53] <StolenShoeBox> anyone know any good rpgs for linux or any good games in genral?
[11:53] <Doomhammer> then format the partition with "mkefs -j /dev/hd**"
[11:53] <aamcf> urg
[11:53] <Doomhammer> then build the bootloader
[11:53] <Doomhammer> configure it to boot yer windows
[11:53] <Doomhammer> and then you'd be ok
[11:54] <Cervantes_> Does anyone know a good place to purchase a (used or not) real hardware modem?
[11:54] <Doomhammer> Wal-Mart has cheap-o modems, Cervantes
[11:54] <Cervantes_> err, seriously?
[11:54] <Doomhammer> yep
[11:54] <Doomhammer> you can get a $15 modem
[11:54] <Cervantes_> but, not a winmodem?
[11:54] <Doomhammer> that will run under Linux even
[11:54] <Doomhammer> nope
[11:55] <Doomhammer> not a Winmodem -- or at least not at the Wal-mart  near me ;)
[11:55] <searcher`> aamcf: you can use chroot to get into a linux distro that was already installed
[11:55] <searcher`> it's console work though, and you might want to check for a manual
[11:55] <Cervantes_> awesome..  so, just to make sure, they have modems that won't force me to download linux drivers and go through hell, mutltiple times?
[11:55] <Doomhammer> searcher: i believe the corrupt CD completely fuxored his SuSE install
[11:55] <aamcf> there is no installed distro any more
[11:56] <searcher`> haha then you're fscked
[11:56] <Doomhammer> Cervantes: yep -- linux will probobly autodetect it
[11:56] <aamcf> I'm going to reinstall another distro, cos I've done that before
[11:56] <searcher`> if there's no distro just re-install to the partition you wanted it, and see if ubuntu recognizes windows
[11:56] <Cervantes_> awesome!  Thanks Doomhammer!
[11:56] <Doomhammer> yea, that's probobly the easiest path to take aamcf
[11:56] <Doomhammer> no problem Cervantes :)
[11:56] <aamcf> :-)
[11:56] <Doomhammer> brb...
[11:57] <mdke> does anyone know if the problem that linux 2.6.8.1 had with cdrecord is still there in 2.6.9/2.6.10?
[11:57] <aamcf> thanks - I'll try that now. If you never hear from me again, it worked :-)
[11:57] <searcher`> fLoW: Computer -> System configuration -> Users and groups
[11:57] <searcher`> look there
[11:58] <fLoW> thx
[11:58] <searcher`> fLoW: from the users tab, click `properties' for your user and look in the other groups tab
[11:58] <searcher`> see if you're in audio
[11:59] <fLoW> yep i am
[11:59] <searcher`> well rule out that problem
[11:59] <Doomhammer> have you tried using the onboard audio port?
[11:59] <Doomhammer> if not, try that: linux may think you want to use it