[12:05] <zul> almost there though
[01:10] <srbaker> is adam di carlo a canonical employee?
[01:18] <daniels> srbaker: no
[01:29] <srbaker> know his irc nick?
[01:30] <daniels> aph
[01:30] <srbaker> oh
[01:45] <Keybuk> what a random question
[03:41] <__daniel> hai
[03:41] <robertj> hi
[03:47] <__daniel> maybe someone of you can point out my mistake, i'm trying to write a library (depends on glib) and i get: 
[03:47] <__daniel> In file included from ../Data/data.h:25,
[03:47] <__daniel>                  from main.h:25,
[03:47] <__daniel>                  from main.c:21:
[03:47] <__daniel> /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib.h:30:26: glib/galloca.h: No such file or directory
[03:48] <__daniel> and i wonder, if there's something wrong with my system or me :-)
[03:48] <crimsun> this is a user question, really
[03:48] <__daniel> sorry crimsun
[03:49] <crimsun> you have libglib2.0-dev, installed, right?
[03:49] <__daniel> crimsun: yes and i see, it's my mistake, libgda (depending on glib too), builds fine
[03:49] <__daniel> i'll have to review the makefiles and configure-scripts
[04:00] <daniels> crimsun: you need to include $(pkg-config --cflags glib-2.0)
[04:07] <__daniel> daniels: i already use PKG_CHECK_MODULES([PKG] , [glib-2.0] )           AC_SUBST([PKG_CFLAGS] )        AC_SUBST([PKG_LIBS] )
[04:08] <daniels> __daniel: but do you do AM_CFLAGS = $(PKG_CFLAGS)?
[04:08] <__daniel> daniels: and add PKG_LIBS to the Makefile.am 's "INCLUDE = "-section
[04:08] <daniels> you need AM_CFLAGS = $(PKG_CFLAGS)
[04:09] <__daniel> *REJOICE*
[04:09] <__daniel> thanks alot, danisl
[04:09] <__daniel> daniels
[04:10] <__daniel> :-)
[04:18] <daniels> no worries
[04:23] <__daniel> daniels: spotting the "obvious" gave me quite some worries :-)
[04:24] <robertj> your a daniel series model, you should upgrade your firmware to that running on daniels
[04:25] <robertj>  /ctcp daniels version
[04:26] <__daniel> robertj: i'm working on it
[04:31] <Keybuk> how confusing
[04:32] <Keybuk> the AC_SUBST bit is sucky
[04:35] <__daniel> hmm, i don't know how to do better
[05:48] <__daniel> good night
[06:11] <thully> hi - does anyone here know where in Ubuntu is the setting to have subpixel rendering stored?
[06:12] <daniels> /etc/fonts/local.conf
[06:16] <thully> whether it's on or off is always stored there - what is changed for on vs. off?
[06:17] <daniels> what?
[06:17] <thully> is that where the detected subpixel setting is stored
[06:20] <thully> The installer detects if it is running on a laptop, and then enables subpixel, correct?
[06:20] <thully> What is done after that is detected?
[06:21] <whiprush> <!-- Uncomment below to enable subpixel rendering -->
[06:21] <whiprush> right below that
[06:22] <thully> OK
[06:22] <thully> So, why isn't the setting in GNOME turned on for subpixel by default?
[06:22] <whiprush> probably because it looks like crap on CRTs I would imagine
[06:23] <thully> Well, why isn't it turned on on laptops?
[06:23] <thully> the GNOME subpixel setting, that is
[06:23] <daniels> elmo_away: please sync docbook-xml
[06:23] <thully> whiprush: what does your local.conf look like
[06:23] <whiprush> it's commented out
[06:24] <thully> what does the whole file look like?
[06:24] <whiprush> sec
[06:24] <whiprush> http://pastebin.arslinux.com/836
[06:24] <whiprush> fresh install, so that's the default.
[06:25] <Kamion> (minor pedantry: the installer doesn't detect laptops, the X maintainer scripts do)
[06:25] <thully> what scripts would these be?
[06:25] <thully> I see -I'm on a laptop - that line is not commented out for me
[06:26] <Kamion> xserver-xfree86.{config,postinst} for Warty, xserver-xorg.{config,postinst} for Hoary
[06:26] <thully> OK
[06:26] <Kamion> they live in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[06:26] <thully> So, how come GNOME has subpixel rendered fonts if the option isn't enabled in GNOME by default?
[06:27] <Kamion> I tell a lie, it's /var/lib/dpkg/info/fontconfig.{config,postinst}
[06:27] <Kamion> there is no one "default", it depends on your hardware
[06:28] <Kamion> whiprush's paste is evidently from a non-laptop install
[06:28] <thully> I know - why then, on laptops, is the GNOME subpixel option not ON by default
[06:28] <whiprush> yes, my desktop
[06:28] <Kamion> I have absolutely no clue. Is that a non-fontconfig thing (and if so, why on earth ...?)
[06:28] <Kamion> ?
[06:29] <thully> yes - in GNOME fonts control panel applet
[06:29] <Kamion> shrug, bug
[06:29] <whiprush> and, that paragraph is uncommented on my laptop, so that makes sense.
[06:29] <Kamion> I guess
[06:29] <whiprush> didn't know it did that, cool.
[06:30] <daniels> oh my god
[06:30] <daniels> the original iMacs report full EDID information through OF
[06:30] <daniels> but they're actually DDC-incapable
[06:30] <daniels> it's just hardcoded into OpenFirmware
[06:30] <Kamion> one hardware platform ... :)
[06:30] <daniels> WHY ARE ALL THESE STUPID CORNER CASES APPLE?!?
[06:30] <thully> does this do anything (the font setting in GNOME)
[06:31] <Kamion> haven't the foggiest, you could try it and see :)
[06:32] <whiprush> daniels: btw I upgraded to 2.6.10 and now lid-closing suspend to ram broke on my x40.
[06:32] <Kamion> thully: by the way, I'm doing a big rearrangement of how the installer's timezone stuff works for other reasons, that should have the indirect effect of fixing your weird timezone bug
[06:32] <thully> because curiously, on a standard Debian system, I have these same font config files w/KDE and I have to turn on subpixel specifically in KDE to have subpixel rendered fonts
[06:32] <Kamion> at least I hope so ... if not everything is far too weird
[06:32] <daniels> whiprush: gnar.  i'm still on 2.6.8.1, tbh.
[06:33] <thully> Are the suspend scripts in Ubuntu's main archive yet - or do you still have to add mjg59's source to it - I've been running debian for a while, so I don't know myself
[06:34] <daniels> thully: not in the archive yet, i've been on holiday
[06:35] <whiprush> daniels: disregard, only when docked.
[06:35] <thully> I've seen some info about a Kubuntu project (Ubuntu w/KDE) - where do you get the KDE packages to test for this?  Is this an official Ubuntu project or not?
[06:36] <daniels> whiprush: ah yeah, the dock is, um, problematic
[06:36] <daniels> thully: it's in hoary.
[06:36] <whiprush> yeah I noticed. :-/
[06:36] <Kamion> thully: #kubuntu
[06:36] <thully> daniels: kubuntu is in hoary?
[06:37] <Kamion> the Kubuntu guys are currently doing their work in the Ubuntu repository
[06:37] <daniels> thully: as Kamion said, #kubuntu
[06:37] <daniels> thully: (and please note that this is a development channel)
[06:38] <thully> what's the exact definition of "development" in this case?  I thought my questions fit this definition.
[06:39] <Kamion> most were, but "where do I get such-and-such packages" clearly isn't
[06:40] <thully> well - it's a new, testing type thing - so I thought I'd ask here
[06:51] <Kamion> thully: this channel's really for contributions to the development process, rather than support for developmental code
[06:51] <Kamion> it's our primary work channel
[06:54] <Kamion> not personal, it's just an attempt to keep work channels fairly clear for talk about active development work; not that there's much of that going on at the moment since it's vacation time for many people :)
[06:54] <Kamion> anyhow, bedtime ...
[06:55] <daniels> night dude
[06:56] <bob2> jdub: http://sablevm.org/wiki/Eclipse
[07:21] <bluefoxicy> hey
[07:21] <bluefoxicy> can http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ have a symlink current* -> warty*, devel* -> hoary*?
[07:22] <bluefoxicy> then I wouldn't have to mess with sources.list (neither would confused n00bs who would rather pay the kid next door to do it)
[07:43] <fabbione> morning
[07:50] <fabbione> doko:
[07:50] <fabbione>  did the last python2.4 upload fixed the install problem?
[07:55] <doko> which install problem? the module dependencies are fixed.
[07:55] <fabbione> Setting up python2.4 (2.4-2ubuntu4) ...
[07:55] <fabbione> 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
[07:55] <fabbione> Traceback (most recent call last):
[07:55] <fabbione>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/compileall.py", line 15, in ?
[07:55] <fabbione>     import os
[07:55] <fabbione>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/os.py", line 397, in ?
[07:55] <fabbione>     import UserDict
[07:55] <fabbione> ImportError: No module named UserDict
[07:55] <fabbione> dpkg: error processing python2.4 (--configure):
[07:55] <fabbione>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[07:55] <fabbione> this is on a clean chroot
[07:56] <fabbione> that is version ubuntu4 
[07:56] <doko> ubuntu5 is the current and should have fixed that.
[07:57] <fabbione> goody
[07:57] <fabbione> i still hva eto build ubuntu5
[07:57] <fabbione> amen
[07:57] <fabbione> have to
[07:57] <fabbione> but i didn't want to push back 30 packages ;)
[07:58] <doko> btw, I now have a powerpc biarch gcc-4.0, which whould work, but needs a powerpc64 glibc to build. so it's enough for kernel experiments, if you can install it somewhere ...
[07:59] <fabbione> doko: cool
[07:59] <fabbione> where is it?
[08:00] <fabbione> no.. let's make it simpler
[08:00] <fabbione> mail elmo and me :-)
[08:01] <fabbione> so we can prepare a chroot specifically for it
[08:02] <doko> ok, will do.
[08:20] <fabbione> doko: perhpas... you might want to write in the main also where to grab what you already have?
[08:27] <fabbione> humpf
[08:27] <fabbione> what was the option in apt.conf to disable packages authentication?
[08:28] <fabbione> found it
[08:46] <jdub> whiprush: oh ars.linux, re: ubuntu... "The distribution is targeted squarely at the desktop"
[08:46] <jdub> whiprush: gar. :-)
[08:47] <fabbione> hey jdub 
[08:47] <jdub> morning
[08:47] <fabbione> jdub: somebody was wondering where is the artwork for Jan "only" 22 hours after midnight ;)
[08:48] <jdub> :-)
[08:52] <Treenaks> Wehr si teh nekkid pron artworkz?!!!!!1111oneoneone
[08:53] <Treenaks> 8)
[09:06] <pitti> Hi mvo!
[09:10] <mvo> hi pitti 
[09:10] <mvo> happy new year :)
[09:10] <fabbione> hey pitti
[09:10] <pitti> mvo: Gesundes neues! :-)
[09:10] <fabbione> hi mvo
[09:11] <mvo> hi fabbione!
[09:11] <pitti> Morning fabbione 
[09:11] <mvo> how is 2.6.10 doing :p ?
[09:14] <fabbione> n/me sets mvo on fire
[09:14] <fabbione> argh
[09:14] <fabbione> i dunno
[09:14] <fabbione> test it
[09:14] <fabbione> and let me know
[09:14] <fabbione> it works for me
[09:14] <mvo> :)
[09:14] <fabbione> that means that it can be the default kernel for Hoary
[09:14] <fabbione> ;)
[09:15] <mvo> lol
[09:15] <mvo> so the kernel for hoary is ready ... let's release
[09:16] <fabbione> exactly
[09:17] <fabbione> my god...
[09:17] <Treenaks> ?
[09:17] <fabbione> 2 hours and i am still catchinig up on emails
[09:18] <crimsun> (I'm just waiting on a l-r-m-2.6.10-1-686-smp)
[09:19] <crimsun> fabbione: 2.6.10-1-686-smp works fine on two hoary P4s at work
[09:31] <fabbione> crimsun: thanks :-)
[09:31] <fabbione> crimsun: daniels is working on l-r-m for 2.6.10
[09:32] <pitti> Mithrandir: ping
[09:33] <crimsun> fabbione: thanks.
[09:47] <pitti> sjoerd: here?
[09:48] <sjoerd> pitti: jep
[09:48] <pitti> sjoerd: Happy new Year!
[09:49] <sjoerd> thanks 
[09:49] <sjoerd> same too you
[09:49] <pitti> sjoerd: could you please have a look at https://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4767?
[09:49] <pitti> sjoerd: (without the last question mark)
[09:51] <sjoerd> hrm, my hack fails to work for him it seems
[09:51] <pitti> sjoerd: what do you think about respecting camera.access_method ?
[09:52] <sjoerd> it looks like it's not a ptp camera
[09:52] <pitti> sjoerd: either ignore the value "storage" or only pop the dialog if the value is "user"?
[09:52] <pitti> sjoerd: my camera has camera.access_method = "user"
[09:52] <pitti> sjoerd: for now, ignoring "storage" seems safer to me
[09:53] <Treenaks> sjoerd: my PTP camera (Canon Powershot A75) does not make g-v-m pop up for me either..
[09:54] <sjoerd> Treenaks: that's another bug then :)
[09:54] <Treenaks> sjoerd: my CF reader does, but gthumb can't cleanly import from CF into its nice 'yyyymmdd-hh.mm.ss' dir. structure
[09:54] <Treenaks> sjoerd: I'll file one tonight
[09:54] <sjoerd> Treenaks: check if the usb id's of your cam are mentioned in it's usermap
[09:55] <sjoerd> Treenaks: please remind me tomorrow and we'll dig into your problem...
[09:55] <Treenaks> sjoerd: OK
[09:58] <sjoerd> aaaaaaaaargggggggggghhhhhhhhhh
[09:58] <sjoerd> fucking stupid fdi files..
[09:59] <sjoerd> pitti: we should stop shipping 20freedesktop/sony_dsc.fdi
[09:59] <sjoerd> and then his problem will disappear
[09:59] <sjoerd> those camera setting fdi's are useless anyway
[09:59] <pitti> sjoerd: oh, right
[10:00] <pitti> sjoerd: I thought we eliminated them all long ago...
[10:00] <sjoerd> seems at least one slipped through
[10:01] <pitti> sjoerd: it seems that this is the last one
[10:01] <pitti> sjoerd: will you do a new upload soon?
[10:01] <sjoerd> yeah
[10:01] <pitti> cool
[10:01] <sjoerd> waiting for feedback from a bugreporter
[10:02] <sjoerd> probably tomorrow
[10:05] <pitti> brb
[10:16] <sjoerd> pitti: just got feedback from the reporter i was wainig on.. So there will definitely be a new hal package tomorrow
[10:16] <pitti> sjoerd: good to hear!
[10:17] <jordi> yay for the utopia dudes
[10:18] <jordi> sjoerd: did you see md's post in which he said "ooh, good I got howl installed"? :)
[10:18] <sjoerd> yeah
[10:19] <sjoerd> jordi: debian's gnome team rocks ;)
[10:19] <jordi> yeah, THOSE DUDES KICK ASS
[10:19] <jordi> :P
[10:21] <sjoerd> just 4 more days and it'll be in testing \o/
[10:21] <sjoerd> gotta go now, later
[10:21] <Treenaks> sjoerd: 4 more months, more likely
[10:22] <sjoerd> Treenaks: be in testing, not sarge release
[10:25] <pitti> Hi carlos! Happy new year!
[10:26] <pitti> carlos: do you have time to attend the meeting tonight?
[10:26] <carlos> pitti: hi!, same for you
[10:26] <carlos> pitti: which meeting?
[10:26] <mvo> hey carlos! happy new year
[10:27] <carlos> hi * and happy new year * :-D
[10:27] <carlos> robtaylor: ping?
[10:27] <pitti> carlos: I thought there should be a Hoary status meeting today 2200 UTC
[10:27] <mvo> i think it's tomorrow
[10:27] <mvo> 4.1.2005 IIRC
[10:27] <pitti> carlos: we still need lang pack integration and I think we need some feedback from Rosetta guys
[10:28] <pitti> oops, if it is tomorrow, then fine
[10:28] <carlos> yes, seems to be tomorrow
[10:28] <carlos> pitti: ok, will be there
[10:28] <carlos> 22:00 UTC?
[10:29] <pitti> carlos: yes, tomorrow
[10:29] <Treenaks> there needs to be an ubuntu webcalendar thing...
[10:30] <Treenaks> loadable in evo
[10:30] <jordi> what's the January pr0n like?
[10:30] <jordi> I haven't seen it yet.
[10:30] <carlos> jordi: I think it's not yet released :-P
[10:30] <jordi> bleh
[10:30] <jordi> JANUARY 3RD AND NO PR0N YET
[10:31] <jordi> I fear it will be MALE PRON
[10:31] <bob2> jeff is the pr0n meister now
[10:32] <Treenaks> jordi: I can show you Bandwidth Man, but you'd have to poke your eyes out with blunt rusty spoons and clean the sockets with acid
[10:32] <Treenaks> jordi: after that
[10:32] <jordi> Bandwidth man.
[10:32] <jordi> Is that the next chapter of goatse, tubegirl and "DontLookAtThis"?
[10:33] <Treenaks> jordi: uh.. not officially
[10:34] <bob2> bandwidth man is Treenaks in lycra???
[10:34] <Treenaks> bob2: no.
[10:37] <bob2> so, yeah
[10:37] <bob2> don't ask Treenaks for the url of the bandwidth guy
[10:38] <Treenaks> I won't give it!
[10:38] <bob2> good!
[10:38] <bob2> unless you want to start a derivative distribution called Intimidatinguntu
[10:39] <jordi> Bandwidth guy IS intimidating.
[10:39] <Treenaks> bob2: only difference: -artwork packages ?
[10:40] <fabbione> hey d3vic3 
[10:40] <bob2> hah
[10:45] <d3vic3> lo fabbione
[11:05] <pitti> yay
[11:05] <pitti> Linux donald 2.6.10-hardened #1
[11:05] <pitti> the first version that actually boots
[11:14] <mdz> morning
[11:16] <mvo> good morning mdz 
[11:18] <lupusBE> seb128: about http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2749 should I open an enhancement request on gnome-vfs then?
[11:18] <mdz> so wet here
[11:19] <pitti> Hi mdz 
[11:19] <seb128> hey mdz 
[11:19] <mdz> fabbione: how are you feeling about 2.6.10?
[11:19] <mdz> the new ipw2200 driver seems much happier on my laptop
[11:20] <seb128> lupusBE: lemme check, but I think that gnomevfs guys know about it
[11:20] <lupusBE> k
[11:21] <pitti> fabbione: 2.6.10 runs fine for me, too
[11:21] <fabbione> hey mdz
[11:22] <fabbione> mdz: i only had one not-so-good thing on my laptop.. i am trying to see if it happens again.. otherwise i am fine with it
[11:22] <fabbione> mdz: but i would definetely wait to make it the default kernel
[11:22] <mdz> going to upgrade the desktops now that I am home again
[11:22] <fabbione> i read a couple of scary story on LKML
[11:23] <Treenaks> fabbione: scary in what way?
[11:23] <fabbione> scary on ext3+lvm2+raid5 = dataloss
[11:24] <fabbione> but only one person has been reporting it
[11:24] <fabbione> so when i read stuff like that i tend to wait a few days to see if anybody has the same problem
[11:25] <Treenaks> hm.. glad I'm not using lvm2 then
[11:25] <fabbione> i use all that stuff
[11:25] <fabbione> not a problem yet
[11:25] <lupusBE> daniels you killed all my enhancement requests :p
[11:26] <mdz> bear in mind that upstream version freeze is very close
[11:26] <mdz> so we'll need to make a decision on whether to go with 2.6.10 as default
[11:26] <fabbione> mdz: i know that.
[11:26] <fabbione> mdz: we have still 2 days to decide
[11:27] <fabbione> but the point is that to make 2.6.10 by deafult it means also testing d-i
[11:27] <fabbione> if that's not an issue for you (to switch it later)
[11:27] <lupusBE> daniels: are you sure that no manufactures is using those hid settings for there keyboards
[11:27] <fabbione> gimme these 2 days to see if there is any other weird report
[11:27] <lupusBE> s/is/are
[11:28] <Treenaks> lupusBE: hid settings for keyboards?
[11:28] <mdz> has elmo been around recently?
[11:29] <fabbione> mdz: i saw him the 30th
[11:29] <fabbione> today is free in UK
[11:29] <lupusBE> Treenaks: http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/xorg/2004-August/002472.html
[11:29] <lupusBE> really pisses me off 
[11:29] <lupusBE> that they don't use it
[11:30] <Treenaks> lupusBE: I've tried 5 USB keyboards, all report "00: Unknown" for that value (lsusb -v shows it)
[11:34] <mdz> fabbione: yes, I know about today.  But I have been away for a few days, remember, and was wondering about that time
[11:34] <fabbione> oh yeah
[11:38] <daniels> lupusBE: yeah ... as you said in that post, no-one uses it
[11:38] <daniels> so we can't detect it if there's nothing to detect
[11:39] <lupusBE> pff really
[11:39] <lupusBE> stupid manufactures
[11:40] <lupusBE> create open source keyboard? :p
[11:40] <Treenaks> lupusBE: not only USB keyboards are buggy in That Way.. lots of PCI cards have wrong subsystem IDs
[11:42] <mdz>  As of midnight Saturday, downtown Los Angeles had received 13.53 inches of rain since July 1, according to Seto, who said the figure is 9.66 inches above normal for that area.
[11:42] <mdz> if I go offline for an extended period, I have probably been washed away
[11:42] <Treenaks> mdz: can you swim?
[11:42] <pitti> mdz: we had a flood here two years ago; it wasn't funny
[11:42] <mdz> yes, but my computers cannot
[11:42] <Treenaks> mdz: teach them
[11:44] <lupusBE> daniels and there is no way to motivate manufactures to use this function somehow
[11:45] <daniels> lupusBE: not really, no
[11:45] <daniels> mdz: yow. we had a night where we got 10x the average monthly rainfall in about 2 hours once; that was fun.
[11:45] <daniels> they had to send boats down the eastern fwy to rescue people stuck in their cars
[11:47] <mdz> The 5.55 inches of rain that fell in Los Angeles on Dec. 28 made that day -- last Tuesday -- the third-wettest since the Weather Service started keeping records in 1877
[11:47] <bob2> wow
[11:47] <mdz> it has been raining for several days consecutively; that never happens
[11:48] <mdz> anyway, going to bed (on the second floor)
[11:48] <mdz> night all
[11:48] <fabbione> night :-)
[11:50] <seb128> 'night mdz 
[11:51] <daniels> mdz: night dude
[11:51] <daniels> seb128: how good are you with gtk's input method? :)
[11:51] <daniels> seb128: i've been trying to add a compose sequence to gtk, but adding it to gtk_compose_map in gtk/gtkimcontextsimple.c doesn't seem to have done much good
[11:52] <seb128> daniels: never played with that in fact
[11:52] <daniels> (it's not work stuff, something I was doing when I was bored lastnight)
[11:55] <bob2> xchat in ubuntu defaults to #ubuntu, not #debian, right?
[11:57] <seb128> should yes
[11:57] <seb128> why ?
[11:57] <seb128> (should = that has been changed, but dunno if that works in hoary or is bugged)
[11:59] <bob2> just checking
[12:08] <cartman> I have a bug filed a week ago with a working patch
[12:08] <cartman> how could I get it applied for Hoary?
[12:09] <mvo> cartman: what bugnumber?
[12:09] <cartman> mvo: 5095
[12:12] <cartman> I am testing the patch for a week here, working fine
[12:23] <cartman> mvo: so?
[12:24] <mvo> cartman: impatient, ey? ;) 
[12:24] <cartman> yup :-)
[12:28] <mvo> hehe, give me some time, I would like to know why python2.4 changes the semantics of http_open
[12:28] <cartman> alright
[12:46] <pitti> Hi ogra 
[12:46] <pitti> ogra: btw, are you still interested in hwfu?
[12:49] <pitti> brb
[01:18] <pitti> seb128: can you tell me the page that shows the build/install status of all your debian packages? The one you showed me in Mataro?
[01:20] <Treenaks> why aren't Debian and Ubuntu in this list: http://www.cve.mitre.org/compatible/organizations.html
[01:21] <Treenaks> oh wait
[01:21] <Treenaks> they're on the OTHER page
[01:31] <seb128> pitti: http://people.debian.org/~igloo/status.php
[01:31] <pitti> seb128: cool, thanks
[01:32] <seb128> np
[01:48] <cartman> anyone knows why grub is the default boot loader?
[01:49] <seb128> why not ?
[01:49] <cartman> it has problems with old bioses
[01:50] <cartman> aka "Error 18"
[01:50] <seb128> dunno about this, but grub is fine most of the time
[01:51] <mvo__> cartman: check your bios hd settings 
[01:51] <cartman> http://www.google.com/search?q=grub+Error+18&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[01:51] <cartman> google doesn't say so ;-)
[01:51] <cartman> mvo: what part of bios settings?
[01:51] <mvo> lba, chs
[01:51] <cartman> wonder if I got those settings
[01:51] <cartman> lilo has lba32
[01:51] <cartman> grub needs that too :/
[01:52] <cartman> mvo: and what am I looking for exactly?
[01:52] <mvo> I saw this before on a bios that was not set to lba mode 
[01:52] <cartman> "lba mode" let me search for that in bios settings
[01:52] <cartman> brb
[01:52] <abelli> jdub: ping
[01:54] <whiprush> jdub: that wasn't me, I was on vacation, but I'll pass it on.
[01:59] <cartman> mvo: its set to LBA in bios
[01:59] <cartman> but also "Large" mode available as an option
[02:00] <mvo> have you checked if it works with one of them? 
[02:00] <pitti> carlos: when I want to import a pot file (and some existing translations) into Rosetta, what shall I do?
[02:00] <cartman> nope
[02:00] <cartman> mvo: how can I reinstall grub? I got lilo now
[02:01] <Treenaks> cartman: grub-install
[02:01] <Treenaks> cartman: and purge lilo once that works :)
[02:01] <cartman> Treenaks: hmm is it auto? :)
[02:01] <carlos> pitti: do you have the product created?
[02:02] <Treenaks> cartman: grub-install has a man page :)
[02:02] <cartman> Treenaks: I know :P
[02:02] <pitti> carlos: not yet
[02:02] <carlos> pitti: first create the product
[02:02] <carlos> pitti: then, search that product from rosetta
[02:02] <carlos> pitti: and it will let you upload a .pot file
[02:02] <Treenaks> cartman: how about existing translations?
[02:02] <pitti> carlos: ah, cool
[02:03] <carlos> and finally, you need to upload one by one the .po files
[02:03] <cartman> Treenaks: hmm? btw man grub-install doesn't tell about boot device
[02:03] <pitti> Treenaks: stumbled about xchat's stupid autocompletion? :-)
[02:03] <carlos> pitti: we are finishing a way to upload all at the same time
[02:03] <Treenaks> pitti: no, irssi
[02:03] <Treenaks> pitti: <Tab>
[02:03] <carlos> pitti: but until that I could give you a cheat to do it with a script
[02:04] <Treenaks> cartman: grub-install /dev/bootdevice ;)
[02:04] <pitti> carlos: no worry, I want to import the pmount pot and just one po
[02:04] <pitti> calc: I can do that by hand
[02:04] <pitti> carlos: ^
[02:04] <trulux> pitti, http://selinux.tuxedo-es.org/2.4-backport/
[02:05] <carlos> ok
[02:05] <pitti> calc: sorry, that wasn't for you
[02:05] <Treenaks> carlos: you should really send everyone who has a project in rosetta a mail to upload the PO files as well or something
[02:05] <Treenaks> carlos: None of them have uploaded Dutch translations :(
[02:06] <carlos> Treenaks: are there translations into dutch for those projects?
[02:06] <Treenaks> carlos: yes
[02:07] <cartman> Treenaks: thanks, brb
[02:07] <Treenaks> carlos: Dutch is pretty much complete for most projects
[02:07] <carlos> Treenaks: I'm planning to add a note about uploading all po files to prevent it
[02:08] <carlos> will send a request to the old imported projects
[02:08] <Treenaks> carlos: I've seen the new translations from rosetta, and to be honest, they're crap compared to what's already in the .pos :)
[02:08] <Treenaks> wb daniels
[02:09] <pitti> carlos: I now have the product and uploaded the pot file
[02:09] <pitti> carlos: how can I upload the po? This is not obvious
[02:09] <pitti> carlos: ah, got it
[02:10] <carlos> pitti: it's not too user friendly for the maintainers
[02:10] <carlos> we are trying to improve it
[02:10] <pitti> carlos: I uploaded the German po now
[02:10] <pitti> carlos: I now wait for some minutes for it to appear
[02:10] <carlos> it's there already
[02:17] <cartman> ok grub sucks
[02:24] <jordi> not :)
[02:25] <cartman> well rather "lilo works , grub not"
[02:31] <cartman> hmm new bittorrent pack on hoary
[02:31] <cartman> mvo: thanks!
[02:32] <Treenaks> at least it's not Cantorrent ;)
[02:33] <cartman> now to report some unicode bugs ;-)
[02:33] <Treenaks> yay for unicode bugs 8)
[02:34] <cartman> :/
[02:34] <mvo> cartman: np, thanks for reporting about the bittorrent problem
[02:34] <cartman> np
[02:39] <cartman> what package should I report a bug for "Can't use turkish characters in tty consoles"
[02:39] <cartman> although $LANG is tr_TR.UTF-8
[02:39] <Treenaks> console-sometihng?
[02:39] <cartman> lemme see
[02:40] <cartman> console-common maybe
[03:03] <pitti> elmo: Hi! Happy new year
[03:03] <pitti> elmo: can you please remove debstriptranslations from the archive?
[03:03] <pitti> elmo: we now have pkgstriptranslations
[03:04] <sivang> pitti: HI! Happy new year!
[03:04] <elmo> pitti: done
[03:04] <pitti> sivang: Hi! You too
[03:04] <pitti> elmo: thanks
[03:05] <pitti> brb, off to another new kernel test
[03:05] <ogra> hi sivang
[03:08] <sivang> ogra: hi :)
[03:21] <pitti> fabbione: are the kernel configs shipped somewhere in some package?
[03:21] <pitti> fabbione: I did not find them, so right now I copy them from the linux-source package
[03:21] <tseng> pitti: they get intsalled to /boot
[03:21] <pitti> fabbione: but it could be nice to take your standard configs and just patch in my grsec variables
[03:21] <pitti> tseng: no, I need all variants (k7, i386, etc.) at compile time
[03:22] <tseng> hrm right
[03:22] <tseng> id apt-get source a few, stuck on dialup =/
[03:22] <pitti> tseng: i. e. on the buildds I want to take the config of the linux-source package, not the config of the host
[03:23] <tseng> yep, i only build it for myself
[03:30] <fabbione> Mithrandir: 5029.
[03:30] <fabbione> it's 2 bugs in one
[03:30] <fabbione> i have the gconfig (kernel side) fixed
[03:31] <fabbione> but there is a qt/amd64 specific part that needs love
[03:31] <seb128> fixed properly ? 
[03:31] <fabbione> and you are in the position to fix/test it
[03:31] <fabbione> seb128: i am using Kamion's patch
[03:31] <seb128> you have icons in the toolbar ?
[03:31] <Mithrandir> fabbione: I'm not near any amd64 box atm, and my DSL is _shitty_ here.
[03:31] <seb128> the bar is empty here with the patch
[03:31] <fabbione> seb128: ah....
[03:31] <Mithrandir> fabbione: so if it could wait a week, it would be a lot better for me.
[03:32] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i have no rush.. it's not a stopper or anything important
[03:32] <Mithrandir> cool
[03:32] <fabbione> seb128: if you can cook up a patch it is fine for me
[03:32] <fabbione> i can push it upstream
[03:32] <seb128> fabbione: first, does it work on your box ?
[03:33] <seb128> and then, do we want to spend time to fix that properly ? I feel that's not a big deal and we should just wait for upstreams :p
[03:34] <fabbione> seb128: well perhaps upstream did not notice...
[03:34] <fabbione> how complex is it to fix?
[03:34] <seb128> probably not really
[03:34] <seb128> but still, there is a lot to do and that's better to put time in useful places
[03:34] <fabbione> i agree...
[03:35] <fabbione> it was more a nice to have it fixes
[03:35] <fabbione> fixed even
[03:36] <seb128> ok, use Kamion's patch for the moment, at least it doesn't crash
[03:36] <seb128> I'll have a look to fix the rest a bit later and let you know
[03:36] <fabbione> seb128: sighs.. i just killed it from the tree....
[03:36] <fabbione> i will wait for a final patch
[03:36] <fabbione> no point in having half fix
[03:37] <fabbione> i can achive the same just commenting the code out :-)
[03:37] <fabbione> and it will take less time to build :P
[03:37] <robertj> has there been any talk about an esd => polypaudio transition?
[03:37] <fabbione> robertj: yes. in mataro
[03:37] <fabbione> during the last ubuntu conference
[03:38] <fabbione> there are notes on the wiki
[03:38] <seb128> fabbione: right :)
[03:40] <robertj> I see it mentioend on DrainingTheLinuxAudioSwamp
[03:41] <fabbione> robertj: we had a bof about audio and the notes should be there
[03:41] <fabbione> if they are not you should probably ask jdub 
[03:41] <Treenaks> DrainingTheLinuxAudioSwamp _are_ the BOF notes
[04:29] <fabbione> mjg59: ping
[04:41] <Yann2> hi 
[04:57] <mvo> ping jamesh 
[05:32] <ldng> Is that a bug or a feature that desintalling xscreensaver suppress the logout menu entry instead of the lock-screen menu entry ? O:-
[05:33] <ldng> (hoary)
[05:37] <seb128> fabbione: proper patch attached on #5029 for the gconfig issue, it fixes the crashes, the toolbar icons and the callback on the buttons
[05:42] <fabbione> seb128: cool
[05:43] <fabbione> too bad i uploaded -3 not too long ago
[05:43] <seb128> as said before that's not a big issue, I'm not sure than a lot of people use make gconfig
[05:43] <seb128> s/than/that/
[05:44] <fabbione> yeah
[05:51] <mvo> fabbione: 2.6.10 crashs in the fritz isdn module and after that in the floppy module :(
[05:51] <mvo> (fritz is isdn)
[05:52] <ogra> hmm, floppy works for me....didnt try isdn....
[05:52] <mvo> floppy is probably just a side-effect after the isdn crash
[05:52] <fabbione> mvo: ok. how does it crash? is that the misdn stuff?
[05:53] <ogra> nope
[05:53] <fabbione> mvo: do you have a kernel oops? can you run ksymoops on it?
[05:53] <ogra> fritz is the old i4l module
[05:53] <ogra> hisax to be exact....
[05:53] <fabbione> hmmmm
[05:53] <mvo> "unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual adress". it looks a lot like it's from avmfritz (mISDN)
[05:54] <ogra> oh, avmfritz....sorry
[05:54] <fabbione> mvo: i need details...
[05:54] <fabbione> check dmesg or something
[05:54] <fabbione>  /var/log/kern.log
[05:55] <mvo> I can give you the complette crash traceback from kern.log
[05:55] <mvo> should I open a bug about it and attach it to it?
[05:55] <fabbione> mvo: + i need you to pass that to ksymoops
[05:55] <fabbione> without ksymoops is useless
[05:58] <pitti> mvo: AFAIU CD-based upgrades now work automatically?
[05:59] <mvo> pitti: yes
[05:59] <pitti> mvo: do you use the autorun feature for that?
[05:59] <mvo> pitti: no, I hook into hal and look for cd-insert events
[05:59] <pitti> mvo: ah cool. #1956 is still open and should eventually be discussed
[05:59] <pitti> mvo: if autorun is not necessary for upgrades, we have one argument less for it
[06:01] <mvo> if upgrade-notifier is runing (that will be the default for hoary) we don't need autorun for upgrade
[06:02] <mvo> we'll have to put a "upgrade.sh" script on the hoary cd to make it easy for warty users to upgrade 
[06:06] <pitti> mvo: I just followed up on the bug
[06:06] <pitti> mvo: this could still be executed with "sh /cdrom/upgrade.sh"
[06:07] <pitti> mvo: since this probably needs sudo rights, I would cry if this was executed automatically
[06:07] <mvo> sure :)
[06:08] <mvo> if a ubuntu cd is found right now it will ask kindly if it can scan it and start the package manager
[06:11] <seb128> lamont: hum about mono. http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/m/mcs/1.0.4-1/mcs_1.0.4-1_20041224-1957-i386-failed
[06:11] <seb128> lamont: it depends on mono-assemblies-base which is a part of mcs  ... 
[06:12] <fabbione> that has to be funny :-9
[06:13] <lamont> seb128: right.  and I tried bootstrapping it and the compile failed with errors.
[06:13] <lamont> thereby ending my effort.
[06:13] <lamont> I could certainly take another run at it.
[06:13] <seb128> have you planned to try again ?
[06:13] <seb128> it's in debian, it should work for hoary too :p
[06:13] <Treenaks> lamont: btw, when are you going to sign my key? :)
[06:13] <lamont> "should" being the operative word...
[06:13] <zul> lamont: see 5052
[06:14] <lamont> Treenaks: once I dig out my pile of keys-to-sign
[06:14] <Treenaks> lamont: ah, RSN ;)
[06:15] <lamont> seb128: I'll stab it today
[06:15] <seb128> thanks
[06:15] <seb128> and for abiword, any idea of why there is no build log for 2.2.2-1ubuntu1 which has been uploaded like one week ago ?
[06:15] <lamont> gnome/abiword_2.2.2-1ubuntu1: Dep-Wait by buildd+mcmurdo [optional:out-of-date] 
[06:15] <lamont>   Dependencies: libnautilus2-dev
[06:16] <seb128> ok, thanks
[06:16] <lamont> see people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/hoary.all.i386
[06:16] <seb128> oh, didn't know about this
[06:16] <seb128> cool
[06:16] <lamont> yeah, it's <distro>.<state>.<arch>, although all is everything, and therefore most interesting...
[06:17] <seb128> grumpf
[06:17] <seb128> my debian/control has no libnautilus2-dev reference
[06:17] <seb128> grrrr, I've uploaded from the wrong dir ...
[06:17] <lamont> it's quite possible that it's a stale dep-wait - if you need it cleared, just say so.
[06:17] <seb128> oh
[06:18] <seb128> yes please, 2.2.2-1 has this problem
[06:18] <seb128> 1ubuntu1 was supposed to fix it
[06:19] <lamont> seb128: ok
[06:19] <lamont> btw, you know about gnome-doc-utils_0.1.1-0ubuntu1, yes?
[06:20] <lamont> cleared
[06:20] <seb128> 0.1.1-0ubuntu2 is in the archive for some hours
[06:20] <lamont> figures
[06:20] <lamont> I only see failures, not successes. :(
[06:21] <fabbione> lamont: ehhee
[06:21] <seb128> bah, that's not a bad thing if you don't want to be flooded :)
[06:22] <lamont> seb128: yeah - but it makes stale failures more work to track if I'm not going to just report them (like I just did... )
[06:22] <lamont> well, lightweight reporting
[06:35] <sid77> hi
[06:57] <lamont> fabbione: Kamion: the other task for the day is to get the cyclades hooked up, and configure a bounce host for you guys to come through
[07:26] <mxpxpod> jdub: ping
[07:36] <cartman> daniels: ping
[08:10] <davyd_> kudos to whoever packaged yelp so quick
[08:10] <davyd_> and built it with info support ;)
[08:11] <kagou> hi
[08:12] <sensebend> hi
[08:12] <kagou> i'm playing with grub install problem on AMD64 :(  I don't understand why installer freeze, and under the console and after a chroot grub-install works ?!
[08:12] <kagou> it(s very disapointed
[08:13] <davyd_> I blame GRUB
[08:13] <kagou> i'm searching how to finish properly the installation
[08:16] <ogra> kagou: as i asked in #ubuntu before (where this talk belongs btw) which filesystem do you use for the system partition ?
[08:17] <kagou> ext3
[08:17] <ogra> hmm, ok
[08:17] <kagou> ogra, hd0,0 NTFS hd0,1 swap   hd0,2 ext3 on /   hd0,3 ext3 on /home
[08:17] <zul> Treenaks, you only blame canada for corrupting america's youth
[08:18] <sensebend> this is making me want to go and watch the southpark movie :)
[08:18] <kagou> why grub-install is not the LAST thing managed by the installer ?
[08:20] <kagou> how to properly finish the installation after grub crash
[08:21] <davyd_> kagou: it's the last thing done before you have to reboot
[08:21] <Treenaks> zul: only if cartman is here :)
[08:22] <cartman> hmm?
[08:22] <kagou> davyd_, mmmh are you sure ?
[08:22] <davyd_> kagou: no
[08:23] <kagou> :D locales are not configured before grub
[08:28] <ogra> Treenaks: heh you scared him
[08:28] <Treenaks> ogra: yeah, a Canadian came in and he leaves.. suspicious ;)
[08:28] <ogra> LOL
[08:29] <ogra> Treenaks: if this works you are alone after 76 balmes ;)
[08:29] <Treenaks> balmes?
[08:29] <kagou> apt-get insatll mc
[08:29] <Treenaks> oh blames
[08:30] <Treenaks> kagou: wrong window ;)
[08:30] <kagou> oups
[08:30] <kagou> lol
[08:30] <ogra> Treenaks: yeah, balmes....didnt you know ? .....
[08:41] <kagou> Treenaks, wrong PC !!! ;)
[08:41] <kagou> ++
[09:07] <mxpxpod> when are the boot time patches worked on at the conference going to be worked into hoary?
[09:08] <amu> hmm guess they are right now in it. My Sys boots faster :) 
[09:09] <mxpxpod> hmm
[09:09] <mxpxpod> amu: i386?
[09:09] <amu> yep
[09:10] <mvo__> amu: I'm downloading, but it will take a while ...
[09:10] <mxpxpod> I wonder if they've gotten to ppc yet
[09:10] <mvo__> will probably test tomorrow
[09:12] <ogra> mxpxpod: on my imac they werent (at least this weekend)
[09:13] <mxpxpod> ogra: ok
[09:13] <amu> mvo: thx
[09:13] <mxpxpod> ogra: I figured as much since I just booted up about 3 hours ago and it was about the same as before
[09:14] <ogra> so it looks like we have to wait for ppc.....
[09:14] <mxpxpod> ogra: wonder why that is...
[09:16] <fabbione> lamont: sounds good
[09:16] <ogra> hmm, no idea, i had to switch my imac back to hoary anyway, because xorg didnt like it
[09:16] <lamont> ogra: you mean to warty?
[09:17] <mxpxpod> fabbione: ping
[09:17] <ogra> lamont: no i meant from hoary *g* thanks
[09:17] <fabbione> mxpxpod: i am here.. no need to ping
[09:17] <lamont> ogra: ah
[09:18] <fabbione> ogra: you can run xfree86 on hoary
[09:18] <mxpxpod> fabbione: sorry... where's the ibook-g4 patch for the linux-source packages... you said you shipped it, but I can't find that
[09:18] <fabbione> ogra: i did leave the xserver-xfree86 in hoary for these kind of problems
[09:18] <ogra> fabbione: i know... but i wanted to help out daniels.....
[09:18] <ogra> fabbione: i dont use the mac.....just for packaging.....
[09:19] <fabbione> mxpxpod: the patch is in debian/patches. you need to add it to debian/patches/00list-<highest_num> and recompile
[09:19] <fabbione> mxpxpod: using dpkg-buildpackage or whatever way you prefer
[09:19] <ogra> fabbione: and it seems its got a serious prob with the monitor detection, so its a fine piece of crap to run tests.....
[09:19] <mxpxpod> fabbione: I normally use make-kpkg
[09:20] <fabbione> ogra: ah ok
[09:20] <fabbione> mxpxpod: just build the kernel the same way you would build other packages
[09:21] <fabbione> lamont: if you want me to get hppa kernel support for hoary we need to be very fast
[09:21] <mxpxpod> fabbione: is that patch only in the 2.6.9 kernels?
[09:21] <fabbione> lamont: specially if there is an external patch that needs to be added
[09:21] <fabbione> mxpxpod: it's in both 2.6.9 and 2.6.10, but for the latter i didn't even have the time to check if it applies
[09:21] <lamont> fabbione: hppa isn't ready, and probably won't be...
[09:21] <mxpxpod> fabbione: ah, ok
[09:22] <lamont> there certainly is an external pathc
[09:22] <fabbione> lamont: ok. so we will defer hppa for hoary+1
[09:22] <lamont> but gcc-3.x and db4.3 are ftbfs due to kernel/glibc issues
[09:22] <lamont> otoh, I found some hoary bugs watching the builds run over the break
[09:23] <mxpxpod> fabbione: so, I just get the source with apt-get source linux-image-blah and then dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us -rfakeroot?
[09:23] <fabbione> lamont: ok....
[09:23] <fabbione> mxpxpod: yes. apt-get source linux-source-2.6.9
[09:24] <fabbione> edit debian/patches/00list-<blabla>
[09:24] <fabbione> and add the name of the patch
[09:24] <fabbione> and than build
[09:24] <fabbione> brb
[09:24] <mxpxpod> fabbione: thanks
[09:27] <sivang> Anybody know when silbs will be back online? I have some trademark issues to discuss..
[09:31] <fabbione> sivang: mostlikely tomorrow
[09:32] <sivang> fabbione: k, thanks :)
[09:32] <fabbione> np
[09:32] <fabbione> elmo: are you anywhere around?
[09:50] <srbaker> yo
[10:07] <mdz> morning
[10:07] <sivang> morning mdz
[10:07] <ogra> [22:07:14]  <mdz> morning
[10:07] <ogra> hmm
[10:07] <ogra> morning :)
[10:08] <mdz> morning (n.), the time when one arrives online
[10:08] <sivang> ogra: I also have times when it's morning for me around 18:00 :)
[10:09] <mako> does someone who has recieved their CDs have their package with them?
[10:09] <sivang> mako: not me :)
[10:09] <carlos> mako: I have it
[10:09] <mako> carlos: you were high priority, right?
[10:09] <carlos> I think so
[10:09] <mako> carlos: i was too.. i think i'm looking for a normal order
[10:09] <carlos> ok
[10:10] <sivang> mako: any eta for the new shipment to arrive? 
[10:10] <mako> i need to know where the cds appeared to be coming from
[10:10] <mako> sivang: i dunno.. i sent the db last week
[10:10] <sivang> mako: ok, I'll wait then again.
[10:10] <mako> i need to fill out this slightly crazy invoice for maritius so the government there doesn't trash a few hundred unbuntu cds
[10:10] <ogra> mdz: hmm, what does one say who never goes offline ?
[10:11] <ogra> mako: wait a sec
[10:11] <mako> i know basically nothing about this
[10:11] <mako> the high priority orders only list the sender account and not the origination.. which is kind of weird
[10:11] <ogra> got it here
[10:13] <ogra> same for a ten cd bag....there is only my address
[10:13] <carlos> mako: I have a field that says 'Canonical'
[10:14] <carlos> mako: then the sender (MediaMotion)
[10:14] <carlos> mako: and finally my address
[10:16] <mako> yeah, but that's the sender, not the country of origen
[10:17] <mako> ogra: so no address?
[10:17] <mako> ogra: people said stuff about switzerland
[10:17] <ogra> nope nothing....and mine came from belgium
[10:18] <mako> dude, belgium, switzerland/netherlands
[10:19] <mdz> mako: mine say Zurich
[10:21] <abelli> ciao mako
[10:26] <sensebend> mine was from the netherlands
[10:28] <ogra> mako: www.grawert.net/030105%20005.jpg and www.grawert.net/030105%20006.jpg
[10:37] <mdz> gah, my ubuntu-meta update script improvements got lost
[10:42] <fabbione> mdz: blame gtk :P
[10:43] <zul> or canada
[10:43] <mako> jdub: do you know about optimystic ?
[10:45] <mdz> fabbione: any luck reproducing that 2.6.10 problem you had?
[10:46] <fabbione> mdz: no. i think it was just a lunar ray hitting the power cable on a mars eclipse
[10:47] <mdz> I haven't yet rebooted my primary desktop to go to 2.6.10, but the other machines are running well with it
[10:50] <fabbione> i think we can go 2.6.10 as default for hoary
[10:50] <haggai> mdz: what did you do to fix the loopback+devmapper problem?
[10:51] <mdz> haggai: un-broke it with respect to the 2.6 blockdev stuff
[10:51] <haggai> mdz: so it was a devmapper bug?
[10:51] <mdz> no
[10:51] <mdz> cloop
[10:51] <mdz> it basically didn't use the API properly
[10:52] <haggai> ah. Well done for finding it
[10:52] <mdz> fabbione: I think so, too
[10:54] <ogra> fabbione: what was about the isdn stuff..... sorted out ? else i got a hoary 2.6.10 and a fritzcard here to test...
[10:54] <fabbione> mdz: i would say we push it to default with the option to revert to 2.69 in case of a disaster
[10:54] <fabbione> ogra: if you can test it would be nice. 
[10:54] <mdz> ogra: mvo was looking into it
[10:54] <fabbione> i didn't get anything from mvo
[11:01] <fabbione> ogra: but having 2 reports is better than only one
[11:01] <fabbione> specially to see if it is reproducible
[11:04] <ogra> fabbione: hrm...grr...got the pci card in the office...only ISA here....so tomorrow, sorry
[11:04] <fabbione> ogra.. dude.. i am not asking you to walk on water.. if you can it would be really nice.. otherwise i can wait
[11:04] <ogra> fabbione: i will have it here tomorrow....
[11:05] <fabbione> no problem.. even in 2 days from now
[11:05] <fabbione> otherwise you will know the pleasure of pain from bottom up
[11:05] <fabbione> MUHA MUHA MUHA
[11:07] <ogra> hehe
[11:11] <fabbione> well guys
[11:11] <fabbione> i am heading to sleep
[11:11] <fabbione> mdz: tomorrow 22:00 UTC confirmed?
[11:11] <Yann2> hi :)
[11:12] <fabbione> + 16:00 UTC????
[11:12] <fabbione> mdz: you want me divorced even before getting married, don't you?
[11:12] <Yann2> we've got a french forum/site, does anyone know a way to get it added to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/local or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/forums/ ?
[11:12] <fabbione> night people
[11:13] <ogra> night 
[11:23] <mdz> fabbione: yes. I forgot that tech board would be the same day; that's unfortunate
[11:23] <mdz> fabbione: you can skip tech board if it's problematic for you
[11:25] <calc> gnome in hoary still seems a bit buggy wrt plugging usbkeys
[11:25] <calc> the first time i plugged it in it was detected and showed an icon along with popping up the nautilus window, the second time only the window was popped up and there was no way to unmount it without sudo
[11:28] <mdz> calc: any plans to get the new libogg in soon?
[11:28] <calc> i'll try to take a look at it later tonight
[11:28] <mdz> calc: the fact that it wasn't unmountable I think is already filed as a bug; for some reason fam/gamin hold onto it, but only sometimes
[11:29] <mdz> if an icon didn't appear, I haven't seen that before, and it should probably be filed
[11:31] <mdz> sivang: existed before or after you partitioned the disk in d-i?
[11:31] <mdz> unless you told d-i to use the swap partition, it won't be used
[11:31] <sivang> mdz: existed before, and I told it to reuse it.
[11:31] <sivang> mdz: that is, reassigned it's mount point as /swap etc..
[11:31] <sivang> (in d-i)
[11:31] <mdz>  /swap?
[11:32] <mdz> I was fairly certain that swap devices were treated specially, and wouldn't have a mount point
[11:32] <jdub> fabbione: 2.6.10 includes all our 2.6.9 patches?
[11:32] <sivang> mdz: ssorry you're right , I just choose "use as swap"
[11:33] <mdz> jdub: no, many of them were obsolete
[11:33] <mdz> well, either way I interpret the question it's only half right :-)
[11:33] <mdz> fabbione carried everything over, if that's what you mean
[11:33] <jdub> heh
[11:33] <mdz> some of it went upstream, others rediffed, others unmodified, etc.
[11:33] <jdub> as long as the dsdt patch is there ;-)
[11:34] <mdz> should be fully functional, except for restricted-modules
[11:34] <jdub> sweet
[11:34] <mdz> and that bit in the changelog
[11:34] <mdz> where fabbione threatens your first born if you report a bug or something
[11:35] <mdz>   * ATTENTION/WARNING/SOS/THE IF YOU OPEN A BUG ON THIS YOU WILL BURN ALIVE
[11:35] <mdz>     ->>>>>> Disable emu10k1 build on ppc because it is broken <<<<<<-
[11:35] <jdub> haha
[11:45] <sivang> jdub: what about the israeli mailing list? ubuntu-il
[11:46] <sivang> jdub: there is some people who want to go boom and start their own derived distro, also, doesn anyone know what is the state of the derivation tools?
[11:49] <calc> mdz: ok