[12:00] <fLoW> no cuz then i'ld have to restart, and i wanna use my 5.1 in stead of my onboard
[12:00] <fLoW> but alsa is configured with the SB! live
[12:00] <Doomhammer> don't reboot, just unplug it and plug it back in
[12:00] <fLoW> aah
[12:00] <Doomhammer> into the onboard
[12:00] <fLoW> k i'll give that a shot
[12:00] <Doomhammer> if you still don't get any sound, make sure the volume is turned up and the speakers have power ;)
[12:01] <Doomhammer> other than that it's probobly a configuration issue
[12:02] <fLoW> well, its a config issue :p
[12:02] <Doomhammer> :P
[12:02] <Doomhammer> in that case, don't ask me -- i've never configured that kind of thing manually
[12:02] <Doomhammer> Ubuntu set up mine automatically :D
[12:02] <searcher`> same here
[12:02] <searcher`> worked out of the box
[12:02] <searcher`> so to speak
[12:02] <Doomhammer> so i just ran "apt-get install ssh"
[12:03] <Doomhammer> will the SSH daemon run every time i start up Ubuntu?
[12:03] <kebac> wtf... does user have to be in 'audio' group to hear any sound? :P
[12:03] <Fazer> isn't ssh installed by default?
[12:03] <mdke> kebac, yes
[12:03] <Doomhammer> kebac: yes
[12:03] <kebac> where's the point :PP
[12:03] <Doomhammer> Fazer: i'm not sure... if it wasn't, it is now :D
[12:03] <mdke> kebac, there is a good reason
[12:03] <Fazer> hehe
[12:03] <mdke> kebac, many administrators might not want users to hear sound
[12:04] <kebac> mdke: right... wouldnt it be as good to disable access to /dev/dsp for some groups and enable for some?
[12:04] <mdke> Doomhammer, you can probably use rc-update to add sshd to your boot startup
[12:04] <mdke> kebac, not as easy
[12:05] <Doomhammer> bash: rc-update: command not found
[12:05] <Doomhammer> already tried that ;)
[12:05] <kebac> is this audio group policy in every linux or just ubuntu?
[12:05] <mdke> as root?
[12:05] <mdke> kebac, i use gentoo and that uses the same policy
[12:05] <Doomhammer> yes as root
[12:05] <Doomhammer> but i believe it's already run automatically -- i'll test that theory later
[12:05] <kebac> mdke: ok
[12:05] <kebac> never heard of this kind of thing
[12:05] <Doomhammer> now, how do I statically set my IP rather than use DHCP?
[12:06] <mdke> Doomhammer, check the /etc/rc directories
[12:06] <Fazer> Damn, this song has gotten me hooked: Breaking Benjamin - So Cold
[12:06] <mdke> Doomhammer, they show your bootup scripts
[12:06] <mdke> Doomhammer, default runlevel is 2
[12:07] <sjoerd> Doomhammer: did you install the ssh server ?
[12:07] <sjoerd> Doomhammer: by default only the client is installed iirc
[12:07] <mdke> Doomhammer, your ip stuff is in /etc/network/interfaces iirc
[12:08] <Doomhammer> sjoerd: yes i installed sshd
[12:08] <mdke> i'm gone
[12:08] <mdke> laters all
[12:09] <sjoerd> Doomhammer: should run automagically then
[12:09] <Doomhammer> ok
[12:09] <qazix> anyone know how I can restore my KDE menus after a dist-upgrade from Debian unstable? Some apps are missing, such as Kate; the Editors category contains only AbiWord and KVim when I have Kate, KWrite, gedit, etc.
[12:09] <Doomhammer> so now how do I statically set my IP instead of using DHCP?
[12:09] <qazix> though the Debian menu still has everything, but it's buried under multiple menu levels
[12:11] <woahh> Doomhammer, if you are going to set the ip, you need to set the domain name servers too.
[12:12] <Doomhammer> eh?
[12:12] <Doomhammer> i was just going to use /etc/hosts for name resolution
[12:12] <Doomhammer> it's only for my LAN, and there are only three computer on the LAN
[12:12] <Doomhammer> no reason to set up a DNS server and everythin else
[12:13] <poningru> so the warty 4.10 does include the 2.6 kernel?
[12:13] <Doomhammer> i don't think so
[12:13] <Doomhammer> i think it uses 2.4 still
[12:14] <poningru> where can I get one with the 2.6
[12:14] <woahh> Doom: http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap9sec96.html
[12:15] <woahh> poningru, yes, kernel 2.6.
[12:16] <siretart> poningru: warty uses 2.6, 2.4 is not supported
[12:16] <siretart> well, it works with 2.4, but 2.4 breaks some things..
[12:18] <StolenShoeBox> Can anyone help me get my webcam to work with Ubuntu?
[12:18] <poningru> well the install cd I downloaded contained 2.4
[12:18] <poningru> how is that possible?
[12:19] <linux_galore> hai
[12:20] <woahh> poningru, i'm not sure.. all the ubuntu installations of mine have been with kernel 2.6 from the beggining. I first installed it a little before the warty release
[12:20] <pd5rm> is it the livecd or the actual system install?
[12:20] <poningru> the actuall install
[12:20] <Cervantes_> whoa hold on, backtrack.  warty 4.10 does include the 2.6 kernal, from my experience
[12:21] <pd5rm> yeah, that's weird. it's 2.6
[12:21] <Cervantes_> poningru & Doomhammer ^^
[12:21] <poningru> the thing is I have heard 2.4 has some probes with the ACPI of some laptops while the 2.6 fixed those
[12:21] <poningru> now my install hangs when it tries install the ACPI
[12:22] <woahh> poningru, could you show us the result of this command on your ubuntu? uname -a
[12:22] <x66221> QUESTION for someone:  when I boot up, it get's to "Starting Ubuntu..." and then pauses about 10-15 seconds, then says "hde: timeout waiting for DMA" then repeats the delay and the "hde: ..." message about FOUR times (wasting about 2 minutes) before it continues with uneventful boot; what can I do to stop this unnecessary boot delay?
[12:23] <pd5rm> maybe there's a kernel flag that disable dma on your hd, when it boots up check hdparm <dev> to see if dma is enabled...
[12:24] <poningru> woahh: I cant install it fully the install hangs in the middle and I have to kill it through power switch
[12:24] <poningru> let me try the install again
[12:24] <x66221> pd5rm, thanks for reply; i'm newbie, how do I check hdparm?
[12:25] <pd5rm> poningru: you need to disable acpi then, try setting the noapic flag
[12:25] <pd5rm> i thinkgs that's the flag
[12:26] <pd5rm> x66221: after you're booted up, type hdparm </dev/XYZ> where XYZ is you actual hd, it should dump some info
[12:26] <poningru> let me try the install again if it still hangs then I will try without the ACPI because I really want the laptop power options
[12:27] <confrey> hi to everybody
[12:27] <poningru> brb
[12:27] <MyKq3> does some know how can i run the network connction wizard  ?
[12:27] <pd5rm> poningru: yah, pretty much ignore what i said about the noapic flag, that's completely different from ACPI! ;-)
[12:27] <eurotrash> could anyone help me with an install problem?
[12:28] <confrey> MyKq3, you don't need ti run it, edit the interfaces file, it's more simple
[12:28] <MyKq3> eurotrash,  yeah ask
[12:28] <eurotrash> it keeps stopping at "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000002"
[12:28] <x66221> pd5rm: sudo hdparm /dev/hde returns 9 lines of info; one of them says "using_dma = 0 (off)"
[12:28] <MyKq3> confrey,  i have checked it and its alriught
[12:29] <eurotrash> I can't even get to the choice of installation expert and so forth
[12:29] <MyKq3> confrey,  i want to run the wizard again
[12:29] <gorby> i used to use amarok b4, what a good gnome alternative?
[12:29] <confrey> MyKq3, so, what do you need about?
[12:29] <MyKq3> confrey, the command that do that
[12:29] <eurotrash> any ideas?
[12:29] <MyKq3> i don't find it
[12:30] <confrey> MyKq3, you don't need to run it again, wha't  your problem?
[12:31] <MyKq3> but i want to
[12:31] <MyKq3> confrey,  i want to enter a gateway
[12:32] <node> ifconfig add default gw xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[12:32] <eurotrash> anyone have the problem of the install won't get to the installation screen?
[12:33] <MyKq3> node,  thanks i m off to do that
[12:34] <gorby> what is a cool audio player like juk or amarok for gnome?
[12:34] <eurotrash> could anyone please help me....
[12:35] <eurotrash> when I go to reboot and let the cd install,  it keeps stopping at "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000002"
[12:35] <eurotrash> any ideas?
[12:35] <node> tried google ?
[12:36] <eurotrash> does anyone know what I'm talkinga about?
[12:37] <eurotrash> could anyone give me some advice on this...
[12:38] <eurotrash> when I go to reboot and let the cd install,  it keeps stopping at "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000002"
[12:38] <x66221> == can someone help me with the following problem? == 1	QUESTION for someone: when I boot up, it get's to "Starting Ubuntu..." and then pauses about 10-15 seconds, then says "hde: timeout waiting for DMA" then repeats the delay and the "hde: ..." message about FOUR times (wasting about 2 minutes) before it continues with uneventful boot; what can I do to stop this unnecessary boot delay?
[12:39] <eurotrash> good luck getting an answer...
[12:39] <eurotrash> I've been trying for 10 min
[12:40] <gorby> x66221: is that the partition u r booting from?
[12:41] <gorby> or installing to?
[12:42] <qazix> Anyone know how I can restore my KDE menus after a dist-upgrade from Debian unstable? For example, the 'Editors' category contains only AbiWord and KVim when I also have Kate, KWrite, gedit, etc.
[12:43] <x66221> gorby: sorry, I was away a moment...YES, that is my boot partition
[12:46] <pd5rm> x66221: so that means for some reason, dma is not checked on, is this a really new hard or sata or something.
[12:46] <pd5rm> x66221:  you might want to grab dmesg | grep hd and send that info over.
[12:46] <x66221> pd5rm, ok
[12:47] <eurotrash> could anyone help with an install issue?
[12:47] <eurotrash> when I go to reboot and let the cd install,  it keeps stopping at "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000002"
[12:47] <node> http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=ESR+value+before+enabling+vector&btnG=Google+zoeken&lr=
[12:48] <confrey> how can I have
[12:48] <confrey> how can I obtain Debian menu in gnome menu?
[12:49] <x66221_> pd5rm: OK, this is what dmesg | grep hde outputs (hde is my primary boot disk ... it is not new, it's a couple years old)
[12:49] <x66221_>     ide2: BM-DMA at 0xd400-0xd407, BIOS settings: hde:pio, hdf:pio
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: IC35L040AVVA07-0, ATA DISK drive
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: max request size: 128KiB
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: 80418240 sectors (41174 MB) w/1863KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, UDMA(100)
[12:49] <x66221_>  /dev/ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0:<4>hde: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: DMA timeout error
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: 0 bytes in FIFO
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: timeout waiting for DMA
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
[12:49] <x66221_>  p1 p2 <<4>hde: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: DMA timeout error
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: 0 bytes in FIFO
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: timeout waiting for DMA
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: DMA timeout error
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: 0 bytes in FIFO
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: timeout waiting for DMA
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
[12:49] <node> oh look mom...flood!
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: DMA timeout error
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: 0 bytes in FIFO
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: timeout waiting for DMA
[12:49] <x66221_> hde: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
[12:49] <x66221_> EXT3-fs: hde1: orphan cleanup on readonly fs
[12:49] <x66221_> EXT3-fs: hde1: 1 orphan inode deleted
[12:50] <x66221_> Adding 499928k swap on /dev/hde5.  Priority:-1 extents:1
[12:50] <x66221_> EXT3 FS on hde1, internal journal
[12:51] <linux_galore> wish people would just put it in a text file and dump it on a web server
[12:51] <nde> :)
[12:51] <linux_galore> or email a list
[12:51] <pd5rm> hmm.
[12:52] <pd5rm> x66221: obviously, there's some problem with the dma detection or the hd may be going bad.
[12:52] <nde> in #perl thaey have a nice pastebot
[12:53] <linux_galore> could be the motherboard is hard jumper ed to set the dma and this is causing a conflict in Linux
[12:54] <eurotrash> anyone know how to get rid of this kernel error?   securityorg.net
[12:54] <eurotrash> doh
[12:54] <eurotrash> this
[12:54] <eurotrash> ESR value before enabling vector: 00000002
[12:54] <dcarr> Having trouble setting up Flash and a soundblaster 16.  Help?
[12:55] <nde> eurotrash,
[12:55] <nde> google.
[12:55] <linux_galore> flash is easy just run the shell installer and point it to the root directory of the browser
[12:56] <eurotrash> yeah, I checked, but i have no clue as to what to do
[12:56] <eurotrash> I don't even have a running linux on my system...I"m just now starting out
[12:56] <pd5rm> x66221: crap. is is an IBM drive?
[12:56] <confrey> how can I obtain Debian menu in gnome menu?
[12:56] <dcarr> linux_galore: Presumably for the latest greatest flash?
[12:56] <linux_galore> dcarr: yes
[12:57] <eurotrash> all I get is code, and since i don't have linux yet, I don't know how to fix it
[12:57] <cardador> gonna try ubuntu on a 166 celeron. wish me luck :)
[12:58] <eurotrash> nde: any ideas?  I keep getting the problem on google, but not the solution
[12:58] <nde> no, sorry
[12:58] <linux_galore> dcarr: the flash installer will ask for a directory the browser is in........in my cae I download the enw ver of firefox and installed it in my ~/ directory so I just said  /home/user_name/firefox/
[12:58] <linux_galore> case*
[12:58] <nde> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox is default.
[12:59] <eurotrash> damn..
[12:59] <nde> or use the backport to install frefox 1.0
[12:59] <nde> that can update itself
[12:59] <eurotrash> me?
[01:00] <nde> no
[01:00] <nde> :)
[01:00] <eurotrash> didn't think so...lol
[01:00] <linux_galore> has firefox 1.1cvs
[01:00] <nde> unstable :)
[01:00] <linux_galore> works fine
[01:01] <nde> no doubt
[01:01] <linux_galore> doesnt have a security bug that 1.0 has
[01:03] <linux_galore> Ive noticed firefox is actaully getting really good at rendering web pages that just a few months ago looked totally sucky...even renders some IE only sites better than IE Im finding
[01:03] <nde> fonts u mean ?
[01:03] <linux_galore> no frames and images auto-resize better and fonts look good , better spacing between lines
[01:04] <nde> ok
[01:04] <linux_galore> I often find IE doesnt put enough space between lines
[01:04] <nde> after i did this 'http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4456&highlight=fonts' my fonts were so much better
[01:06] <linux_galore> aaah Ive got KDE installed so I can do that from kcontrol
[01:07] <nde> ok
[01:07] <x66221> pd5rm: yes, it's an IBM drive.  Is that bad?
[01:08] <pd5rm> x66221: IBM drives have a habit of dying all of a sudden.
[01:09] <x66221> pd5rm: ok, thanks
[01:09] <pd5rm> x66221: if it's making any funky noises, i would backup my data real quick and get a new hard drive.
[01:09] <linux_galore> nde: I checked my .fonts.conf  file and the only line different is this one
[01:09] <linux_galore> <edit name="autohint" mode="assign">
[01:10] <linux_galore> nde: from that text file
[01:11] <crimsun> Fazer: yes?
[01:11] <linux_galore> nde: my fonts look great though
[01:11] <nde> set hinting at full
[01:11] <nde> i was amazed :)
[01:11] <nde> some tiny fonts appeared to be a little fat on the ends
[01:11] <nde> they are great now
[01:20] <splatta> ubuntu faster than mdk 10.1?
[01:20] <Davidcc6_> hi ppl, i burn all my .deb of /var/cache/apt/archives into a cdrom, now i need install all that in my new linux, how can i use apt-get for that??
[01:24] <dcarr> splatta: *watches his wife's comp, then watches his* Inconclusive.
[01:24] <splatta> mmm
[01:25] <jivera> Hm... printer's acting weird under Ubuntu...
[01:25] <splatta> whens the next official ubuntu verson due out ?
[01:25] <jivera> splatta: April.
[01:25] <dcarr> Help on setting up a Soundblaster 16?
[01:26] <scoon> dcarr, maybe.  what seems to be the problem.
[01:27] <dcarr> The system doesn't seem to be seeing the soundcard at all.   An attempt with 'modprobe sb' (which worked in Mdk 10.0) says "no such device) or somesuch.
[01:27] <dcarr> *device"
[01:28] <crimsun> dcarr: 'sb' is the OSS/Free kernel module. Ubuntu uses ALSA, which replaces OSS/Free.
[01:28] <Davidcc6_> mata de gonorreas
[01:28] <crimsun> dcarr: paste onto pastebin.com the output of `lspnp'
[01:28] <dcarr> Having my wife do that, be a couple of minutes.
[01:29] <dcarr> Note, this is the wife's box.
[01:29] <dcarr> "lspnp: command not found"
[01:30] <dcarr> =O.o=
[01:30] <jivera> Are there any filesystems that are supported by both windows and linux, can store files over 4gb, and is well suited to a 130gb partition?
[01:30] <linux_galore> dcarr: with mandrake you use draksound anyway
[01:30] <dcarr> True, but she's just installed ubuntu.
[01:30] <linux_galore> to config the sound card
[01:31] <crimsun> jivera: ext2
[01:31] <jivera> crimsun: Does windows support ext2?
[01:31] <dcarr> The wife points out by the way that this is probably not a pnp card, so even if we had lspnp, it wouldn't work.
[01:31] <crimsun> jivera: with an external driver, yes.
[01:32] <crimsun> dcarr: dpkg -l pcmcia-cs|grep ^ii
[01:32] <jivera> crimsun: Is it stable/reliable?
[01:32] <crimsun> jivera: afaik, yes.
[01:32] <DirtDawg> Hey, I just downloaded and installed Ubuntu PPC last night...and I LOVE IT!!!!
[01:32] <linux_galore> dcarr: check the jumpers on the sound card make sure it not set to auto-select the irq
[01:32] <jivera> DirtDawg: Wait until you install it! :)
[01:33] <DirtDawg> hehe. I did already
[01:33] <dcarr> pcmcia?!
[01:33] <crimsun> dcarr: that's the package it's in, but if the card's not pnp, it's not a big deal
[01:33] <DirtDawg> I have heard installing Debian packages is much easier than RPMs. Is this because there won't be any missing libraries?
[01:33] <crimsun> dcarr: do you have any additional information regarding the card itself?
[01:34] <dcarr> It's a soundblaster 16, no other info available.
[01:34] <dcarr> "No packages found matching pcmcia-cs"
[01:34] <crimsun> DirtDawg: not really. You can still run into the same dependency hell if you attempt to install packages manually with dpkg.
[01:34] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: I found rpm+package manager or .deb + package manager are pretty much the same
[01:34] <DirtDawg> crimsun I see.
[01:35] <crimsun> DirtDawg: on the whole, however, Debian's and Ubuntu's repositories have huge selections of software, and simple installation commands pull in dependencies transparently and install them when needed
[01:35] <jivera> DirtDawg: The main advantage of Debian is that the apt archive is mostly self contained; you make fewer ventures to rpmfind.net or similar.
[01:35] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: you should really use a package manager for either .deb or rpm it will reduce the hassles
[01:35] <crimsun> DirtDawg: same with package removal
[01:35] <DirtDawg> will normal Debs install on my ppc, or do I need to find ppc versions of the debs?
[01:35] <linux_galore> jivera: I never use rpmfind with Mandrake
[01:36] <jivera> DirtDawg: Ubuntu has their own versions of all the debian packages (AFAIK), but if you need external apt archives you'll probably have to find ppc specific ones.
[01:36] <DirtDawg> linux_galore: Having used only Mandrake and Yellow dog, I have yet to have a successfull install. But after playing with Ubuntu, I have high hopes
[01:36] <crimsun> DirtDawg: if the debs are binary (and thus arch-) specific, then you'll need ppc-specific versions -- which implies that yes, you will retrieve them from Ubuntu's repo.
[01:36] <jivera> linux_galore: Well, google or whatever then...
[01:36] <crimsun> dcarr: surely there's _some_ info more?
[01:36] <DirtDawg> awsome. I'm excited to play with new software. Thanks people.
[01:37] <dcarr> crimsun: Not sure.  What kind of info are you looking for?
[01:37] <dcarr> crimsun: The only other info I have is that it's an ISA card sitting in some IBM Aptiva with a K^/2 400 chip.
[01:37] <linux_galore> jivera: no Mandrake has a bucket load of pre made binaries (over 55,000 of them).....just add a few servers to urpmi and you never look for libs
[01:37] <DirtDawg> linux_galore: My Linux Box isn't connected to the net.
[01:38] <DirtDawg> makes it tough
[01:39] <crimsun> dcarr: please paste to pastebin.com the output of `lsmod'
[01:39] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: I would answer that silly question but I would then cause conflict in the room
[01:39] <DirtDawg> linux_galore: lol. I understand. I'm pretty new at all this.
[01:39] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: what would hold more data 4 CD's or 1
[01:40] <dcarr> Instruction passed, working.
[01:40] <oak> 1 dvd
[01:40] <linux_galore> lol
[01:40] <linux_galore> yeah when is ubuntu making a DVD...1 CD is too small
[01:41] <DirtDawg> linux_galore: A few days ago, I would've said $ no problem, but since Mandrake 10.1 used 3 for install and never worked, versus Ubuntu's single disk that runs like a champ, I'm not so sure anymore. :)
[01:41] <dcarr> linux_galore: That's what network install is for. =^_^=
[01:41] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: I have 4 CD's for mandrake not 3
[01:41] <linux_galore> dcarr: yeah 20 machines all sucking away at a 256k connection
[01:43] <dcarr> linux_galore: Aha.
[01:43] <dcarr> crimsun: http://www.pastebin.com/193770
[01:44] <linux_galore> not knocking a network install Ive had to do a few in Debian but its nice to have a DVD with just about everything on it
[01:44] <dcarr> linux_galore: Well said that.
[01:44] <crimsun> dcarr: well the first problem I see is that some OSS/Free modules are loaded. They need to be removed. `sudo modprobe -r sb_lib uart401 sound'
[01:44] <DirtDawg> linux_galore: Well I'm using ppc, so there's never as much support, thus less software, I think
[01:45] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: I have Ubuntu on my iBook
[01:45] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: bit hacky but I got it working
[01:45] <dcarr> crimsun: ok, sent that.
[01:45] <dcarr> uart401... that's for the midi processor isn't it?
[01:46] <linux_galore> dcarr: disable uart and on board in the bios if its there too
[01:46] <DirtDawg> linux_galore: Really, I can't tell you how amazed I've been with the distro. I've been fighting with Mandrake and Yellow Dawg for a week now. Only problem is no sound when I insert CD's, but the other distros never supported my speakers anyway, so I figure it's a bonus!
[01:46] <sobralense> does the k3b make bootable cd's ?
[01:47] <dcarr> linux_galore: presumably a jumper on the board.  I'll pass that along.
[01:47] <DirtDawg> linux_galore: Do you know where I could find some Debian ppc software packages for download? Or Ubuntu packages or whatever?
[01:47] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: sound worked fine...worked even better when I installed kde....add the Baghira OSX theme to kde and my desktop looks and works like OSX
[01:48] <DirtDawg> linux_galore: I didn't even think about installing KDE. That's a great idea
[01:48] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: I use a local debian ftp mirror on my isp
[01:49] <DirtDawg> linux_galore: Where's can I find your isp?
[01:49] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: yeah people see my iBook and see the KDE/OSX desktop and go oooh OSX looks nice........I go yes it does and leave it there lol
[01:49] <dcarr> crimsun: What next?
[01:49] <DirtDawg> linux_galore:Since I'm not entirely sure what that is :)
[01:49] <crimsun> dcarr: this is where I need more information from the actual card itself
[01:49] <DirtDawg> linux_Galore: lol
[01:50] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: hold on got a pic of baghira in action
[01:50] <crimsun> dcarr: DMA1 & DMA2, IRQ, I/O, etc.
[01:50] <dcarr> crimsun: She's gonna power down the box, I'll look at the card.
[01:54] <linux_galore> heres Baghira theme on KDE ..........not my screen shot but I have the transparency patch and the same theme ->http://www.kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=16114&file1=16114-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=kwin3.3+xcompmgr+transparentransl
[01:55] <jivera> Anyone know how to get an Orinoco Silver USB 802.11b card to work under Ubuntu?
[01:55] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: people think its OSX....pretty funny Ive given up telling them its Ubuntu Linux
[01:56] <DirtDawg> lol. Looks nice. You can spot the Linux icons in the upper right. I suppose many people wouldn't recognize or notice those
[01:57] <DirtDawg> I'm running on a g3, so the fancy GUIs are pretty slow. Gnome seems pretty fast so far
[01:57] <dcarr> crimsun: There's nothing conclusive about the sound card.  Much for the onboard IDE stuff, but that's it.
[01:57] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: no people see the little round icons at the top and go oooh OSX...helps that its running on an iBook
[01:58] <DirtDawg> lol
[01:58] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: gnome has some nice OSX themes
[01:58] <DirtDawg> it does?
[01:58] <DirtDawg> I haven't even explored this stuff yet
[01:58] <crimsun> dcarr: ok, then you're better off using the standard, default values
[01:58] <linux_galore> yeah on the gnome home page goto the theme section
[01:58] <dcarr> crimsun: Likely, yes.
[01:59] <dcarr> What is shpchp?
[01:59] <linux_galore> DirtDawg: then just install the theme from the theme menu and bingo your desktop is all osx'ish
[01:59] <crimsun> hot pluggable pci driver, dcarr
[02:00] <dcarr> Ah.
[02:00] <treed> Recommendation for an app that'll allow me to chop bits out of mp3/vorbis/flac files?
[02:00] <DirtDawg> hmm. I may be retarded. It says nothings been added yet when I click on "Desktop THemes"
[02:00] <crimsun> dcarr: if you're concerned about those two FATAL: messages when you boot, ignore them. You simply don't have the hardware.
[02:01] <crimsun> treed: audacity
[02:01] <treed> crimsun, thanks
[02:01] <crimsun> np
[02:01] <linux_galore> treed: look on http://www.freshmeat.net  there are a few audio editors for Linux now
[02:01] <treed> I wanted a recommendation, not just some random audio editor.
[02:01] <treed> If I wanted a random editor, apt-cache search would have done as well.
[02:02] <linux_galore> treed: sorry your lordship of the spoon feeding
[02:02] <treed> Heh.
[02:02] <errr> how is reccomenindg a good product spoon feeding?
[02:02] <treed> Crimsun didn't have a problem with a simple recommendation.
[02:03] <linux_galore> what one may think is good another would say it sux...I prefere to check myself
[02:03] <treed> I should probably report this pinfo bug.
[02:03] <treed> I find I have better luck starting with thing thought good.
[02:03] <treed> things
[02:05] <peejei> hello i hav a problem with pppoe connection i cant connect to the internet
[02:06] <DirtDawg> thanks fo all, guys. See you around. I gotta go.
[02:07] <peejei> where are u guys?
[02:07] <crimsun> dcarr: ok. Has she rebooted?
[02:07] <crimsun> dcarr: if so, what's the output of `lsmod|grep ^sb'?
[02:08] <techn9ne> peejei, i dont know try asking in forums
[02:08] <dcarr> She hasn't loaded the card up into it yet, she's experimenting with the onboard sound.
[02:08] <peejei> ok
[02:08] <techn9ne> is pppoe dialup or something?
[02:08] <dcarr> crimsun: This is of note because, historically, it hasn't worked under Mandrake, but there's a slight chance it'll work here.
[02:08] <dcarr> techn9ne: PPPoE is PPP over Ethernet.  Not dialup.
[02:08] <dcarr> techn9ne: PPPoE is common amongst many DSL providers.
[02:08] <crimsun> dcarr: err, what's the onboard sound?
[02:09] <techn9ne> oh ok
[02:09] <techn9ne> learn something new everyday
[02:09] <dcarr> crimsun: dunno.  Nothing is seen by alsa, and lspci turns up nothing on it either.
[02:09] <dcarr> I don't think we've ever turned it off in bios.
[02:10] <crimsun> dcarr: do you know who manufactures the onboard sound?
[02:11] <crimsun> dcarr: alternately, the manufacturer and make of the motherboard
[02:11] <dcarr> I can get the mfr/make of mobo right now, stand by.
[02:14] <qazix> Anyone know how I can restore my KDE menus after a dist-upgrade from Debian unstable? For example, the 'Editors' category contains only AbiWord and KVim when I also have Kate, KWrite, gedit, etc.
[02:16] <jmob> qazix: ugh, sounds like a painfil upgrade, why didn't you just do a fresh install?
[02:16] <nevyn> kde-menus are not debian standard menus
[02:16] <nevyn> it's most annoying
[02:16] <nevyn> there is a debian standard menu availible in kde.
[02:17] <qazix> jmhodges: well, I had actually intended to just use ubuntu xorg, but its better performance compared to Debian's xfree86 made me decide to go all the way.
[02:17] <dcarr> crimsun: Can't find a manufacturer.  Intel chipset, but that's unhelpful.  I'm having her reboot and go into bios to see if she can find something.
[02:17] <qazix> nevyn: indeed, and the debian menu still has everything... I'd like to repopulate KDE's own menus, though
[02:17] <qazix> not really that important if I can't, just annoying
[02:18] <crimsun> dcarr: what cpu is in it?
[02:18] <crimsun> dcarr: I just need an idea of how old the mobo is
[02:18] <dcarr> A P2 or a Celeron of some sort.
[02:18] <dcarr> It's an IBM Aptiva, so mid-late 1990s.
[02:19] <dcarr> Slot 1 chip at anyrate.
[02:19] <crimsun> hmm.
[02:19] <dcarr> I might have more info in a minute.
[02:19] <crimsun> should be young enough for ac'97
[02:19] <nevyn> quazion_: try update-menu
[02:19] <dcarr> You know, I think we were using ac97 on mdk.
[02:20] <qazix> nevyn: update-menus didn't fix it
[02:20] <nevyn> quazion_: :(
[02:21] <dcarr> crimsun: P2 350.
[02:21] <nevyn> qazix: you could use kmenuedit and fix it to do what you want.
[02:21] <dcarr> crimsun: Bios date Oct1998.
[02:21] <nevyn> I thought they were munging it in their menu-method tho
[02:21] <qazix> nevyn: that'd take a while probably... although it looks like only Editors is missing stuff perhaps
[02:22] <qazix> (well, a significant amount of apps)
[02:22] <qazix> nevyn: I'll look into it more another time; thanks for trying to help, though :)
[02:22] <crimsun> qazix: dpkg -l gnome-menus menu menu-xdg|grep ^ii
[02:23] <qazix> crimsun: gnome-menus, menu, menu-xdg
[02:23] <qazix> all installed
[02:23] <crimsun> 2.9.3-0ubuntu1, 2.1.20, 0.2?
[02:23] <qazix> yep
[02:24] <crimsun> qazix: you might need to kill the gnome caching daemon(s)
[02:24] <qazix> crimsun: I'm using KDE, not GNOME :)
[02:24] <Quest-Master> Does anyone know if I do a new installation of Windows XP Professional, will it leave Ubuntu untouched? And, will it keep my Windows XP partition as FAT32?
[02:25] <crimsun> qazix: doesn't matter.
[02:26] <qazix> crimsun: how do I kill that daemon, then? I have gnome-settings-daemon running but nothing else matches gnome in ps auxw
[02:26] <crimsun> funny how that's precisely the one you need to kill.
[02:26] <qazix> heh
[02:27] <crimsun> (and probably restart manually, too, since you're using kde)
[02:27] <dcarr> crimsun: We've rebooted, and can't locate the onboard sound anyway.  The SB!6 is back on the board.  Where were we?...
[02:28] <dcarr> oops... s/!6/16/
[02:28] <crimsun> dcarr: ensure no OSS/Free kernel modules are loaded. The output of `lsmod' should not show sound [soundcore is fine and necessary] , sb16*, etc.
[02:29] <Quest-Master> ack
[02:30] <zenrox> Quest-Master,  it will ruin your ubuntu install
[02:30] <zenrox> it will over write the mbr
[02:31] <Quest-Master> I know it will overwrite the MBR
[02:31] <Quest-Master> Remove GRUB and such
[02:31] <Quest-Master> I've heard though the Ubuntu partition will remain
[02:32] <zenrox> as long as you install it to a deferent partion and format it fat32
[02:32] <zenrox> wont ruin ang thang else
[02:32] <qazix> crimsun: didn't work... KDE doesn't use the standard menu system though, apparently (no KDE packages provides something for /etc/menu-methods)
[02:32] <Quest-Master> I can do that during the install?
[02:32] <crimsun> qazix: you're using hoary, correct?
[02:32] <zenrox> ya
[02:32] <qazix> crimsun: yep
[02:33] <crimsun> qazix: cos the menu items show up fine on my system
[02:33] <Quest-Master> Correction: I can both install it to another partition AND format it as FAT32 during the install?
[02:33] <qazix> crimsun: could be due to my dist-upgrade from Debian, then
[02:33] <zenrox> Quest-Master,  yess
[02:33] <julius_trop> what is the difference between hoary and warty?
[02:33] <crimsun> qazix: ...no, because my system is sid+experimental+hoary pinned to sid.
[02:33] <crimsun> qazix: so I straddle both worlds
[02:33] <zenrox> julius_trop, hoary is the devel ver tahre for unstable
[02:34] <zenrox> julius_trop,  werty is the curent stable releace
[02:34] <julius_trop> oh i see
[02:34] <Quest-Master> Woot.
[02:34] <Quest-Master> Now, to back up all of this stuff.
[02:34] <qazix> crimsun: well, I just need to figure out how to force kde to repop the menus
[02:35] <techn9ne> does kde work well w/ ubuntu?
[02:35] <crimsun> techn9ne: certainly.
[02:35] <techn9ne> i got a friend who is on windows
[02:35] <techn9ne> and i think kde would be an easier move
[02:35] <qazix> it seems to
[02:35] <julius_trop> I have my mom in ubuntu now they love it very user friendly
[02:35] <techn9ne> i was thinking suse but suse is a pain to do certain things
[02:36] <Quest-Master> Suse is horrific
[02:36] <crimsun> dcarr: let me know when you've done that
[02:36] <Quest-Master> Installing individual software is hell at once
[02:36] <techn9ne> Quest-Master, thats going way too far
[02:36] <dcarr> crimsun: Will do.  Trying to get in with vnc, but she's using dvorak... =O.o=
[02:36] <techn9ne> I used suse 9.2 and i thought it was great
[02:36] <Riddell> techn9ne: yes, KDE works well
[02:36] <techn9ne> I thought ubuntu was a bit better for me though
[02:36] <crimsun> dcarr: dvorak saved my life
[02:36] <qazix> crimsun: do you have anything that looks like a kde menu population script in /etc/menu-methods/ ?
[02:36] <crimsun> well, not really, but it certainly has assuaged much wrist pain
[02:37] <dcarr> crimsun: heh =^^=
[02:37] <dcarr> 'lsmod|grep ^sb' returns nothing.
[02:37] <crimsun> qazix: nope
[02:37] <qazix> crimsun: feh, guess I'll have to figure out how kde does it then
[02:38] <techn9ne> i thought suse ws a lot better than redhat though
[02:38] <techn9ne> i have rhel on my server... i hate it
[02:38] <dcarr> crimsun: I see no sound here.
[02:39] <crimsun> qazix: take a look at /etc/menu-methods/xdg-desktop-entry-spec-apps and ask calc, he wrote it.
[02:40] <qazix> ok
[02:41] <crimsun> dcarr: sudo modprobe snd-sb16 index=0 isapnp=0
[02:41] <keknehv> Can you install either a bitmap (.fon) or truetype (.ttf) font file into linux, and, if so, how?
[02:42] <techn9ne> keknehv, yes not sure how htough
[02:42] <crimsun> keknehv: fonts://
[02:42] <crimsun> (in nautilus)
[02:43] <techn9ne> should have that in the menu
[02:43] <techn9ne> most ppl wouldnt know to do that
[02:44] <keknehv> Thanks
[02:45] <crimsun> dcarr: what did that modprobe command return?
[02:45] <dcarr> crimsun: Nothing.  It should work accordingly - she'll test it.
[02:46] <crimsun> dcarr:`cat /proc/asound/cards' first
[02:47] <dcarr> Found it.  0x220, IRQ 5, DMA 1&5. We have a heartbeat. =^_^=
[02:48] <crimsun> good.
[02:48] <crimsun> use Applications>Sound & Video>Volume Control to unmute the channels
[02:48] <crimsun> adjust, etc.
[02:48] <crimsun> [or you can use alsamixer directly] 
[02:49] <dcarr> I think she has it from here, but let's give it a whirl.
[02:49] <dcarr> Of course, her favorite test facility is the BBC. =^^=
[02:49] <crimsun> she'll need to do one more thing.
[02:49] <dcarr> Whazzat?
[02:50] <crimsun> echo "options snd-sb16 index=0 isapnp=0" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/snd-sb16
[02:50] <crimsun> actually, one more after that:
[02:51] <crimsun> echo snd-sb16 | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[02:53] <spikeb> it'd be nice if the ppc version actually had a halfway decent keyboard setup by default
[02:54] <techn9ne> is it possible for evolution to import from thunderbird?
[02:54] <empe> Hey all..trying to compile amarok. It wants x includes. Is there such a package or do I have to d/l it from x.org?
[02:54] <dcarr> crimsun: This will allow the correct modules to be loaded at boot time, right?
[02:54] <spikeb> xlibs-dev i believe empe
[02:54] <crimsun> dcarr: that is correct.
[02:55] <empe> thanks!
[02:55] <crimsun> empe: on warty?
[02:55] <dcarr> One more question - is there a way to set the keyboard to default to dvorak at the console, rather than querty, then dvorak per user?
[02:55] <spikeb> im not real impressed by the ppc version heh
[02:55] <ctd> dcarr: yeah
[02:56] <ctd> dcarr: use installkeys
[02:56] <ctd> dcarr: iirc
[02:56] <dcarr> "command not found"
[02:56] <techn9ne> ppc is that for macs?
[02:57] <crimsun> dcarr: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[02:57] <stuNNed> yes
[02:58] <dcarr> She's got it.
[02:58] <dcarr> Thanks for all the help.
[02:58] <crimsun> np
[02:58] <BugBear89> hello
[03:00] <BlacKnight|> anyone home?
[03:00] <BlacKnight|> crim?
[03:00] <BlacKnight|> ah well, let's see what you guys think about this:
[03:00] <BlacKnight|> usb plugnplay didn't work in linux after installing ubuntu
[03:00] <BlacKnight|> so i figured i'd do my usbing in windows. only to find out that windows usb pnp no longer works either
[03:01] <BlacKnight|> i figure it's because of grub...
[03:01] <BlacKnight|> would that be a safe assumption?
[03:01] <BlacKnight|> it all worked fine with lilo... should i try lilo? will apt-get install lilo work out of the box?
[03:02] <techn9ne> whats wrong w/ grub?
[03:02] <BlacKnight|> that's what i can't figure out
[03:03] <techn9ne> your usb plug n' play woudl have nothign to do w/ ubuntu.. its controlled by the bios
[03:03] <BlacKnight|> the only thing which COUOLD be affecting the usb is grub
[03:03] <BlacKnight|> because it affects usb in windows
[03:03] <BlacKnight|> which worked fine when lilo was bootloading
[03:03] <BlacKnight|> i havent changed any bios settings since installing ubuntu over mdk
[03:03] <techn9ne> that would be very strange but i dont know enough to say its impossible
[03:03] <BlacKnight|> the only boot-time change has been grub
[03:04] <techn9ne> umm prob. wanna remove grub before installing lilo apt-get remove grub then apt-get install lilo
[03:05] <BlacKnight|> ok
[03:05] <BugBear89> Hello, I am in need of kernel headers on my system but don;t know where to find them
[03:06] <techn9ne> then go into /boot and check the config files so you dont try and reboot and arent able to get into windows or linux
[03:07] <julius_trop> Is there an un-official or official list on what all packages that can be retrieved with apt-get.
[03:07] <julius_trop> I saw in faq that one may not be available yet
[03:08] <techn9ne> http://www.apt-get.org/
[03:08] <techn9ne> i think thats for debian but it should give you an idea whats available for ubuntu
[03:09] <Managu> julius_trop: you might try "apt-cache search ."
[03:09] <Managu> julius_trop: or open up aptitude, synaptic, etc, and peruse
[03:10] <julius_trop> got it
[03:11] <bob2> BlacKnight|: it is really really really unlikely that grub has had any effect on windows at all
[03:11] <bob2> maybe some bios setting got changed
[03:11] <bob2> or you have a hardware issue
[03:12] <bob2> BugBear89: what are you trying to build?
[03:12] <Crane> BugBear89: use synaptic
[03:12] <julius_trop> I typed dumpavail hehe
[03:12] <julius_trop> it's still running
[03:12] <BugBear89> bob2: ndiswrapper but i need the kernel headers
[03:13] <techn9ne> is there a gui tool for "man command" so dont have to read man pages in console?
[03:13] <bob2> BugBear89: no you don't
[03:13] <BugBear89> bob2: is ndiswrapper on the cd
[03:14] <Managu> techn9ne: a few.  The gnome help viewer can do man pages, I think
[03:14] <jivera> BugBear89: I don't think so.  I had to grab it from archive.ubuntu.com
[03:14] <bob2> BugBear89: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[03:15] <BugBear89> this machine is not connected to the net though
[03:15] <Managu> techn9ne: or maybe not.  Nm that =/
[03:15] <jivera> BugBear89: Can you sneakernet a file to it?
[03:15] <qazix> crimsun: solved the problem; old entries in ~/.kde/applnk/ kept the Editors menu around when it disappeared (Ubuntu's KDE menus are disgustingly Windows-like, Kate is nowhere to be found, and Accessories -> Text Editor opens gedit)
[03:16] <crimsun> qazix: my Debian menus are right under Applications on the gnome menu bar
[03:16] <qazix> crimsun: I meant the Debian menus as in the ones shipped with Debian's KDE packages
[03:16] <qazix> crimsun: my Debian menu is still there
[03:17] <BugBear89> jivera: OK, do i want the source or what of ndiswrapper
[03:17] <jivera> BugBear89: ndiswrapper-utils
[03:17] <jivera> 0.10
[03:17] <qazix> crimsun: I just don't like the organization of the menus in Ubuntu's KDE packages
[03:17] <bob2> fjust follow that howto
[03:17] <jivera> (Assuming you're installing Warty Warthog.)
[03:17] <jivera> bob2: That howto doesn't work as well if you don't have a network connection.
[03:17] <jivera> You can't just refresh your package listing in synaptic if there's no network connectivity.
[03:18] <qazix> crimsun: fetching whatever package(s) provides the KDE menus and replacing Ubuntu's with Debian's probably isn't the best idea, though...
[03:18] <balthus> is someone available for a quick chat with a noob on sata partitions and ubuntu? i am having some issues
[03:18] <bluefoxicy> you know what would be cool?
[03:18] <bluefoxicy> an xchat plug-in that when autorejoin is enabled suppresses the nicklist redraws, kick messages, and topic info you get when you're kicked
[03:19] <bob2> balthus: it's best to just ask your question
[03:19] <bluefoxicy> total ignorance of kicking :P
[03:19] <bob2> jivera: right
[03:19] <bob2> bluefoxicy: sounds like not getting kicked would be an even better solution...
[03:20] <zenrox> bob2, but that helps the noobs to see the topic that would be a bad idea
[03:20] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  nah
[03:20] <TheSnowMan> hile, anyone know of a good p2p program for debian/gnome?
[03:20] <balthus> okay...i have a partitioned 120 sata HDD, i had an 80gb with movies and music, i had a friend install ubuntu on the other partition. when i am in ubuntu (using winXP now) i cannot see the partition with the music and movies
[03:20] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  it's more fun to piss people off who kick you every 3 seconds because they're angsty and have ops and you're interrupting their angsting
[03:20] <bob2> zenrox: hm?
[03:20] <zenrox> TheSnowMan, gtk-guntella
[03:20] <Quest-Master> balthus: easy.
[03:20] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  automatic heuristics ban evasion would also be nice for that :P
[03:20] <bob2> balthus: "cannot see"? how do you mean?
[03:20] <balthus> cool
[03:21] <bob2> bluefoxicy: er, ok
[03:21] <TheSnowMan> guntella, not gnutella?
[03:21] <zenrox> bob2,  not gettign kickeds
[03:21] <Quest-Master> balthus: Follow this, let me get the link for you
[03:21] <balthus> my friend was poking around and we could not access the partition
[03:21] <bob2> zenrox: hah
[03:21] <techn9ne> TheSnowMan, limewire
[03:21] <balthus> quest ready thanks...
[03:21] <bob2> balthus: you mean you couldn't mount them? or that you couldn't just see the data on themautomatically?
[03:21] <zenrox> TheSnowMan,  its gtk casue its writen got gtk desktops
[03:22] <balthus> i am a TOTAL NOOB so i am going to say the later cause i am not sure what the former means
[03:22] <TheSnowMan> okey, thnx, anyone know of any of these are avalaible from the package installer
[03:22] <Quest-Master> balthus: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[03:22] <techn9ne> balthus, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[03:22] <bluefoxicy> The_Nalf: gnutella
[03:22] <techn9ne> what he said
[03:22] <bluefoxicy> gtk-gnutella
[03:22] <Quest-Master> balthus: Follow the one which is for you respectively
[03:22] <balthus> thanks gents, hopefully this will help!!!
[03:22] <zenrox> TheSnowMan, gtk-gnutella is and got to http://ubuntuguide.org for limewire
[03:22] <BugBear89> OK, i have the file on the desktop, now what?
[03:22] <balthus> or ladies....
[03:22] <julius_trop> for sata you may have to put the drive in compatible mode in the bios ??
[03:22] <TheSnowMan> yeah, i know about gtk. it's the guntella or gnutella i was confused about:)
[03:22] <techn9ne> it wont automatically mount your windows partitions
[03:23] <TheSnowMan> thnx guys:) i'll try
[03:23] <techn9ne> you gotta do it manually or set it to do it automatically
[03:23] <qazix> crimsun: any idea who packages KDE for Ubuntu? The maintainers aren't Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org> (although the packages claim that)
[03:23] <balthus> ah, ok techn9ne
[03:23] <Riddell> qazix: hello
[03:23] <crimsun> there he is.
[03:23] <crimsun> :)
[03:23] <techn9ne> balthus, not difficult its a matter of adding one line to /etc/fstab
[03:23] <qazix> Riddell: hey... any chance you could make KDE's menu organization more like Debian's?
[03:23] <techn9ne> balthus, linux can only read from ntfs though
[03:24] <Riddell> qazix: actually haggai did kdelibs, I'm afraid I've lost track of the various menu implementations
[03:24] <qazix> Riddell: Kate seems to be missing entirely (Debian has 'Editors' as opposed to a great mess of stuff in 'Accessories')
[03:24] <balthus> i am going to reboot into ubuntu and hopefully go from there, see if i can get it (techn9ne, i am okay then :)
[03:24] <crimsun> Linux can write to NTFS, too, but it's no longer supported or developed.
[03:24] <bob2> not safely
[03:24] <bob2> well, only if the file size doesn't change
[03:24] <Riddell> qazix: I think (but could  be wrong) that the problem is that haggai made KDE use the ubuntu menu's which is why they show ubuntu/gnome programmes
[03:25] <qazix> Riddell: ah
[03:25] <BugBear89> Hmmmm, i can't add my USB drive as a repo
[03:26] <qazix> Riddell: there are gnome and kde apps, but the organization is rather busy (fewer top-level menu categories)... and as I said, I can't find Kate anywhere.
[03:27] <PotajiTo> wenas
[03:27] <qazix> except under Debian -> Apps -> Editors
[03:27] <Riddell> qazix: warty or hoary?
[03:27] <qazix> hoary (from dist-upgraded Debian unstable)
[03:28] <sasha1> hello i am back, techn9ne and quest_master can i please have those links again
[03:29] <techn9ne> www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:29] <DanielC> I just wanted to congratulate everyone on a spectacular distribution! I just booted into the Ubunto LiveCD and I love this distro.
[03:29] <georgia> any reason i wouldnt be able to switch to virtual terminal 1 on warty ppc?
[03:29] <DanielC> Good job everyone.
[03:30] <DanielC> :-)
[03:30] <DanielC> Have a good one.
[03:30] <sasha1> Quest-Master can i get your link also pls..thanks
[03:30] <bob2> georgia: maybe you need to use the fn key?
[03:30] <sasha1> nevermind
[03:30] <sasha1> i found it
[03:30] <bob2> if it's a laptop
[03:31] <techn9ne> you gotta know the partition #
[03:31] <georgia> an emac, proper keybaor,d no fn key
[03:31] <bob2> well, should work
[03:31] <bob2> does 'sudo chvt 1' in an xterm work?
[03:31] <georgia> yeah i'm sure it did the last time i tried to use it
[03:31] <techn9ne> sasha1, get partion # by typing : sudo fdisk -l
[03:31] <georgia> i'll give it a shot, i'll disappear in a sec, and may not be ale to get back
[03:32] <bob2> hoary had a bug for a where yo ucouldn't switch
[03:32] <georgia> it works, and chvt 7 brought me back, cheers bob2
[03:33] <bob2> that is odd
[03:33] <BugBear89> bob2: do i need network 192.168.2.0
[03:33] <BugBear89> 	broadcast 192.168.2.255
[03:33] <BugBear89> in my /etc/network/interfaces ?\
[03:34] <bob2> you need to setup /etc/network/interfaces as the howto says
[03:34] <bob2> if you're using dhc, you don't need to specify that sort of thing
[03:34] <bob2> er, dhcp
[03:34] <qazix> Riddell: any idea what files I need to revert my menu structure to what I had with Debian? If not, no prob, I just preferred the old layout :)
[03:35] <BugBear89> bob2: he is using dhcp but still uses that sorta thing?
[03:35] <bob2> er, no
[03:35] <bob2> you either use dhcp, or you specify stuff manually
[03:35] <BugBear89> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[03:35] <BugBear89> thats what he lists
[03:36] <bob2> that's all you need then
[03:36] <BugBear89> but then he goes on and lists the rest
[03:37] <sasha1> techn9ne thanks! i actually did something on linux, i feel like a million bucks!
[03:38] <techn9ne> sasha1, lol thats good. thank the guy who made ubuntuguide
[03:40] <sasha1> okay silly quick question i am choosing the path to make my music folder the library with rythymbox
[03:40] <sasha1> what is the path?
[03:40] <sasha1> and or how do i find out?
[03:40] <BugBear89> the directory i think
[03:40] <robertj> it asks when you start it
[03:40] <sasha1> pls be more specific i am very noobish sorry
[03:40] <sasha1> yes
[03:40] <bob2> BugBear89: get rid of the rest
[03:40] <robertj> and it's wherever your music is
[03:40] <robertj> there is no ~/My\ Music or ~/Audio
[03:40] <sasha1> i just mounted a windows partition
[03:40] <bob2> sasha1: whereveer you've put your music
[03:41] <sasha1> and i don't know the path
[03:41] <bob2> sasha1: then chose the path within the windows partition
[03:41] <robertj> so /Documents\ and\ Settings\username
[03:41] <bob2> sasha1: how did you mount it if you don't know where it is?
[03:41] <sasha1> and the window just says music...
[03:41] <sasha1> instead of /home/sasha1
[03:41] <robertj> or /Documents\ and\Settings\username\My\ Documents\My\ Music I think
[03:42] <sasha1> i had to go into the mnt directory
[03:42] <sasha1> haha, i just got an error...pretty funny
[03:43] <sasha1> there is no plugin to handle mp3 files
[03:43] <sasha1> ahhh i guess linux is a little more work than i thought ;)
[03:44] <ArCHoNKoG> sasha1, yes there is
[03:44] <sasha1> Archonkog, i am just going on the error message i got, any suggestions are more than welcome
[03:44] <ArCHoNKoG> sasha1, which version hoary or warty
[03:45] <TheSnowMan> help: i use x-chat and i'm wondering if i can save the channels i visit the most?
[03:45] <sasha1> warty, i got off the site about a month ago, where can i check version?
[03:46] <swim> is there somewhere I can find out what packages/apps are available for ubuntu?
[03:46] <Agrajag> TheSnowMan: save?
[03:46] <Agrajag> You mean, log them, or just connect to them on startup?
[03:46] <zenrox_> how do you fix the xp boot grub is the boot loader
[03:46] <bob2> sasha1: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:46] <bob2> don't forget to write to your parliamentarian to complain about patents!
[03:46] <TheSnowMan> yes, connect to them at startup
[03:46] <bob2> swim: you want a list of all 12 000 packages?
[03:47] <Agrajag> ok
[03:47] <zenrox_> win xp gives a cant find some .dll
[03:47] <zenrox_> if i slect win from grub
[03:47] <Agrajag> go to x-chat > server list...
[03:47] <bob2> then you have a windows problem
[03:47] <julius_trop> the lame codec isn't open source anymore?
[03:47] <swim> bob2: do you say that because ubuntu uses debian repositories?
[03:47] <Agrajag> choose the network you want to set up, or add one
[03:47] <Agrajag> julius_trop: yes it is
[03:47] <Agrajag> mp3 itself is ont open
[03:47] <Managu> lame ain't a MP3 encoder.
[03:47] <bob2> swim: no, because ubuntu iteself has 12 000 packages
[03:48] <julius_trop> lame will decode mp3 wont it or just compress
[03:48] <Agrajag> TheSnowMan: there should be an option, in edit mode, to add channels to connect to on connection
[03:48] <julius_trop> ah i see
[03:48] <Agrajag> julius_trop: yes, but what's your point?
[03:48] <bob2> lame is an encoder
[03:48] <ArCHoNKoG> 12,000 packages
[03:48] <ArCHoNKoG> you for real
[03:48] <Agrajag> bob2: it's both
[03:48] <bob2> it's LGPL, but mp3 is patent-encumbered
[03:48] <Managu> lame is the source code for an mp3 encoder/decoder
[03:48] <julius_trop> excuse me just thinking out loud
[03:48] <ArCHoNKoG> dam i use there distro and ididn't even know that
[03:48] <TheSnowMan> in edit mode?
[03:48] <sasha1> bob2: thanks for the link but i am little confused, so i can listen to mp3s but i have to install some repository?
[03:48] <BugBear89> bob2: apparently wlan0 doesn't exist, it says "no such device", it is listed in lspci
[03:48] <bob2> swim: (tho many are identical to the Debian ones)
[03:48] <bob2> swim: yes
[03:49] <TheSnowMan> how do i get into edit mode then?
[03:49] <bob2> BugBear89: ignore lspci, you need to follow the instructions in that howto
[03:49] <bob2> lspci shows physical hardware, it has nothing to do with if the kernel supports it or not
[03:49] <swim> bob2: ah neat, so ubuntu uses its own repositories? bob2  than is it correct to assume that ubuntu can run kde/qt apps fine, just not kde itself?
[03:49] <BugBear89> i did that, and it comes up with no such device
[03:49] <bob2> swim: yes. no, kde itself is in universe and should work fine.
[03:50] <Agrajag> TheSnowMan: oh that's right
[03:50] <Agrajag> you're using an old xchat
[03:50] <Agrajag> anyway there should be an option to do that somewhere in the server list
[03:50] <TheSnowMan> maybe.. i use the one which came with libranet 2.8.1
[03:50] <qazix> swim: AFAICT, Ubuntu packages the entirety of KDE now (at least, my KDE packages all have "ubuntu" in the version)
[03:50] <TheSnowMan> ok, i'll have a looksie:)
[03:50] <bob2> TheSnowMan: #libranet would know more
[03:50] <TheSnowMan> hehe, maybe:)
[03:50] <swim> qazix: really! oh well I guess I have no reason not to give ubuntu a proper shot then :)
[03:51] <swim> I have a ubuntu warty cd that I got a couple of months ago, is it still as uptodate as any iso I can download now?
[03:51] <spikeb> yes
[03:51] <qazix> swim: indeed :) However, the menu structure is somewhat offensive (rather Windows-like), but that may be unintentional.
[03:51] <bob2> there has not been a new stable release since then, no
[03:52] <bob2> there have been a few test isos for the new development release, but they may or may not work
[03:52] <swim> bob2: but there are no warty cds that have updates?
[03:52] <bob2> correct
[03:53] <bob2> the only updates to waryt so far have been security fixes
[03:53] <swim> ok cool
[03:56] <julius_trop> It's really nice how the default install in ubuntu doesn't add tons of stuff most people wouldn't use
[03:57] <calc> can linux playback h.264 video?
[03:58] <Duncan> clear
[03:58] <calc> hmm appears mplayer has support for it :)
[03:58] <spikeb> due to legalities, i think the default package selection is highly overrated
[03:58] <spikeb> heh
[03:58] <calc> at least some support for it announced on dec 29 2004
[03:58] <Duncan> How do you register a nick?
[03:58] <calc> Duncan: /msg nickserv
[03:58] <julius_trop> make sure you type ./configure --enable-gui when you do mplayer :)
[03:59] <bob2> spikeb: if you think the default keyboard layout is broken, please file a bug
[03:59] <robertj> anyone know of a good program for reprioritizing nameservers?
[03:59] <spikeb> bob2, ok
[03:59] <bob2> robertj: repriotizing now?
[04:00] <spikeb> bob2, i'll look to see if there is an open one already though
[04:00] <Duncan__> Sorry about the in and out.
[04:00] <robertj> bob2: ie. if your ISP gives you a seemingly random selection of often overloaded nameservers
[04:00] <bob2> twiddle /etc/resolv.conf
[04:01] <Duncan__> Can you sudo apt-get kde?
[04:01] <bob2> yes
[04:01] <Duncan__> whats the command?
[04:01] <Duncan__> Says package can't be found
[04:01] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[04:01] <bob2> enable universe and enjoy the lack of integration
[04:02] <Duncan__> i was just wondering, what about xfce4?
[04:02] <qazix> "lack of integration?"
[04:03] <qazix> bob2: what do you mean by that? kde appears to work fine
[04:03] <bob2> Duncan__: same deal
[04:03] <qazix> unless I have some straggling unstable packages still installed to cover missing hoary ones
[04:03] <spikeb> ok
[04:04] <spikeb> bob2, looks like its filed already, i'll follow the suggestions i found
[04:08] <bob2> qazix: yeah
[04:10] <jonc> Hey -- I'm trying to fix a broken initrd image.  I've got the image mounted, but don't know how to write changes.  Should I be copying the contents of the old image somewhere, making the changes, and then creating an entirely new image?
[04:10] <spikeb> why on earth is emacs installed by default?
[04:10] <qazix> bob2: doesn't seem too likely; deborphan only shows one package that may make a difference (libqt3c102)
[04:10] <bob2> qazix: hrm?
[04:10] <bob2> spikeb: please see the discussion on the ubuntu-devel list
[04:10] <qazix> bob2: nevermind
[04:11] <spikeb> found it
[04:30] <Fazer> Hello!
[04:31] <enanos> hello
[04:31] <Fazer> Bastard
[04:32] <nevyn> hi
[04:32] <Fazer> =] 
[04:34] <Muskrat> narf
[04:48] <wasabi> I've got an odd X problem. WHen I first log in it gives me some error about the X key mapping.
[04:48] <wasabi> And, metacity doesn't list Meta as a movement key.
[04:48] <wasabi> if nobody knows what the error is off the top of their head, i'll have to log out to find it again. :)
[04:49] <Fazer> i hate ubuntu's live cd
[04:49] <Fazer> i mean it's great
[04:49] <Fazer> but it made my thinkpad to go haywire on me
[04:49] <Fazer> it started to give me CMOS battery and touchpad errors
[04:49] <Fazer> i mean trackpoint
[04:50] <crimsun> but it's fine with warty?
[04:50] <Fazer> crimsun!
[04:50] <crimsun> yes?
[04:50] <Fazer> crimsun: YOu were helping a fellow named xed?  He told me today at work how great you were.
[04:50] <crimsun> yes, I pinged you earlier
[04:51] <Fazer> Oh you did? Sorry, I was away.
[04:51] <crimsun> no problem.
[04:51] <Fazer> anyways, you are good guy.
[04:51] <crimsun> and there were several of us helping xed
[04:51] <Fazer> Oh, good
[04:51] <Fazer> he has another slight problem with his wireless card.  I googled it and I think it is supported by Linux, but it isn't listed in his Network settings
[04:52] <crimsun> which network card is it, the atheros?
[04:52] <Fazer> Yes, I think so
[04:52] <Fazer> He'll be online within a few hours shortly
[04:52] <Fazer> er arond an hour
[04:52] <crimsun> he just needs to configure /etc/networking/interfaces with it
[04:52] <Fazer> oh
[04:52] <crimsun> it's supported by warty
[04:53] <crimsun> I saw in his /proc/interrupts that it has an irq
[04:53] <Fazer> IRQ?
[04:53] <crimsun> his dmesg output also confirmed that the kernel detects it
[04:53] <Fazer> Because I ordered Ubuntu's official CDs, gave some to him to try it out.
[04:53] <BugBear89> Hello, I have a problem, no matter what wless network card i use wlan0 will not show up in ifconfig thus i can't use the net, any ideas?
[04:53] <crimsun> yes, he got it working earlier this morning
[04:54] <Fazer> Oh cool
[04:54] <Fazer> crimsun: BTw, where are you from?
[04:54] <littlpenguin> uh, do u have all the correct kernel mods loaded
[04:55] <crimsun> Fazer: Greensboro, NC, USA.
[04:55] <Fazer> Ah cool
[04:55] <Fazer> me and xed from Ontario, Canada
[04:55] <littlepenguin> does anyone know if ubuntu would be a good distro for a dell 600m
[04:55] <crimsun> nice.
[04:55] <Fazer> =] 
[04:55] <littlepenguin> im from austin,tx
[04:55] <crimsun> littlepenguin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[04:56] <littlepenguin> thanks
[04:56] <crimsun> littlepenguin: you need to add the acpi_irq_isa=7 boot option
[04:57] <crimsun> after that, everything should work.
[04:58] <littlepenguin> it doesn't say there so does  anyone know how the modem works? there are reports of the modem working on debian but how 'bout ubuntu
[04:59] <crimsun> littlepenguin: the acpi parameter I gave you will clear things up
[05:00] <Fazer> crimsun: Are you a systems administrator?
[05:00] <littlepenguin> no
[05:01] <crimsun> Fazer: part-time, yes
[05:01] <crimsun> littlepenguin: ?
[05:02] <BugBear89> could someone tell me where i can get this from linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386\
[05:02] <Fazer> Yay, I successfully guessed someone's profession! =] 
[05:03] <BugBear89> i can find it anwhere on the net
[05:03] <Fazer> You mean you CAN'T
[05:03] <BugBear89> yeah, sorry :)
[05:04] <Fazer> what is linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386?
[05:04] <Fazer> is it an .iso?
[05:04] <crimsun> BugBear89: you don't want that
[05:04] <crimsun> BugBear89: what cpu do you have?
[05:04] <BugBear89> Pentium 4
[05:04] <crimsun> HT-enabled?
[05:05] <BugBear89> no
[05:05] <Managu> bugbear89: reading the whatchamacallit-wrapper howto?
[05:05] <crimsun> BugBear89: sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8.1-4-686
[05:05] <BugBear89> Managu: yeah
[05:05] <BugBear89> crimsun: yeah, but this machine isn't connected to the net
[05:05] <Managu> bugbear89: it's a bit out of date -- the base install of Ubuntu has the appropriate linux kernel
[05:05] <crimsun> and if you're building modules, you'll need linux-headers-2.6.8.1-4-686, too
[05:06] <BugBear89> any ideas of how to get it?
[05:06] <crimsun> BugBear89: download those.
[05:06] <Fazer> crimsun: So, what do you think of the employment outlook in IT?
[05:06] <crimsun> BugBear89: use a cdrw if necessary
[05:06] <BugBear89> ah
[05:07] <crimsun> BugBear89: [or]  if you're stuck with only the install cdrom, just install linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386
[05:07] <crimsun> Fazer: here in the states? fairly dismal but it's improving. Slowly.
[05:07] <BugBear89> yeah, done that
[05:08] <Fazer> crimsun: Oh, hmm.  Atleast its improving.
[05:08] <crimsun> BugBear89: then you should be set to compile the wrapper
[05:09] <BugBear89> if it installs correctly does that mean i have installed the headers correctly?
[05:09] <crimsun> yes
[05:09] <BugBear89> cool, done that
[05:09] <crimsun> now you have to follow the rest of the howto
[05:11] <BugBear89> looks like its working
[05:12] <BugBear89> It tells me No DHCPOFFERS recieved, where can i tell it the DHCP server?
[05:14] <crimsun> BugBear89: is /etc/networking/interfaces configured to use dhcp?
[05:15] <BugBear89> yeah
[05:15] <BugBear89> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[05:17] <lilubu> could someone point me to the url in the topic to get dvd playback working ?
[05:18] <crimsun> lilubu: check the RestrictedFormats section on the wiki
[05:23] <da_bon_bon> hi! KNOCK KNOCK, anyone here ?
[05:24] <Fazer> No, I don't see anyone online
[05:24] <Fazer> so he/she must not be here
[05:24] <spikeb> gee golly, that's hilarious.
[05:24] <Fazer> bah, lame joke
[05:25] <da_bon_bon> :D LOOL
[05:25] <crimsun> back in a bit, food.
[05:25] <Fazer> Bring some for me too! =)
[05:26] <da_bon_bon> me too! i love american
[05:26] <Fazer> ...
[05:30] <swim> hi, just installed warty, when I boot, I can hear ubuntu starting x, but I only see a black screen
[05:30] <swim> maybe I need to install nvidia-glx?
[05:31] <jivera> swim: You should still have graphics, even if not accelerated.
[05:31] <wolfsong> hi
[05:31] <jivera> Can you get to a terminal?
[05:31] <jivera> Er, console.
[05:32] <wolfsong> former Debian user (newbie) with an install question
[05:32] <swim> jivera only booting in recovery mode, because without the nvidia drivers install if I do an alt+ctrl+backspace I get a lined screen, (this is normal without having the nvidia-glxinstalled) (Im now booted recovery)
[05:32] <wolfsong> i have 2 HDs and i'm trying to set the slave up with swap space
[05:32] <wolfsong> setup doesn't seem to give me that option
[05:33] <jivera> wolfsong: I was able to setup my second hard drive fine.
[05:34] <wolfsong> jivera, when i setup the first drive as primary that goes ok but when i try to setup the second drive there is no swap option for usage
[05:34] <swim> jivera, help?
[05:34] <jivera> wolfsong: Odd.  I setup a swap partition on my second hdd fine... dunno, sorry. :(
[05:34] <wolfsong> it only will give me swap if i auto config
[05:34] <jivera> (I'm not really familiar with the d-i specifics.)
[05:35] <jivera> swim: Dunno, I've never had any problems with graphics before installing nvidia-glx on the boxes I have using nvidia cards.
[05:35] <swim> jivera: umm did you read my problem? Im not having problems with nvidia-glx... Im having problems with x in general
[05:36] <jivera> swim: You said it was 'normal' before loading nvidia-glx.
[05:36] <swim> no I didnt
[05:36] <swim> I havent even loaded the nvidia-glx
[05:36] <jivera> 22:34 < swim> jivera only booting in recovery mode, because without the nvidia drivers install if I do an alt+ctrl+backspace
[05:36] <swim> this is what I said:
[05:36] <jivera>               I get a lined screen, (this is normal without having the nvidia-glxinstalled) (Im now booted recovery)
[05:36] <jivera> "this is noral without having the nvidia-glx installed"
[05:37] <jivera> normal
[05:37] <swim> I do not have them installed... the lined screen is normal without having nvidia-glx installed.... I know this from all of my previous distros
[05:37] <wolfsong> jivera, did you create the primary first?
[05:38] <swim> but the problem still is, that when ubuntu starts, I cannot see anything but a black screen
[05:38] <DjCyre|AFK> im new to Ubuntu and have taken a liking to it. I just want to know how I can set it up to use my Ati 9600xt
[05:38] <jivera> I never saw a lined screen when I installed ubuntu on my sister's computer with an nvidia graphics card.
[05:38] <jivera> So, I don't know what you're talking about.
[05:38] <swim> jezus
[05:38] <jivera> wolfsong: The primary was just a windows install, so I didn't touch it.  All the linux stuff is on the second hdd.
[05:38] <DjCyre|AFK> i was reading about the nvidia driver stuff, is that the same deal for ATI
[05:38] <swim> forget the lined screen.  The problem is, that when ubuntu starts, I cannot see anything but a black screen
[05:39] <swim> anyone?
[05:40] <wolfsong> oic
[05:40] <wolfsong> both mine are linux but i think i figured it out
[05:40] <GoneBoB> DjCyre|AFK: totally difference
[05:41] <GoneBoB> *different
[05:41] <TheSnowMan> hi again guys. i have another question. i have setup evolution as my email program. i have several accounts set up since i have many email adresses. i would like to use the inbox monitor to let me know if i have email or not, but it can only monitor one account. there is however i other option like mail spool. but it doesn't reckognice the default mailspool... anyone help me? pleeease'
[05:42] <DjCyre|AFK> GoneBoB: I realise that they are different drivers, but is there an ATI driver in the apt repositry
[05:43] <wolfsong> new question
[05:43] <Managu> TheSnowMan: You might consider setting up fetchmail, and consolidating all your mail on your local box
[05:43] <GoneBoB> DjCyre|AFK: yes
[05:43] <GoneBoB> DjCyre|AFK: fglrx
[05:43] <GoneBoB> give me a tic
[05:44] <swim> Anyone please, my problem is, that when ubuntu starts, I cannot see anything but a black screen
[05:44] <DjCyre|AFK> GoneBoB: cool, u know of any guides on how to install it
[05:44] <wolfsong> if i want to create a small partition on the second drive to use as backup space if i format the primary how should the backup partition be mounted?
[05:44] <GoneBoB> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:44] <Managu> wolfsong: periods?
[05:44] <TheSnowMan> i tried to set up fetchmail but it won't do anything.. and it's so huge. i would just like that small icon in the taskbar..
[05:44] <DjCyre|AFK> GoneBoB: thats a lot for that buddy
[05:44] <GoneBoB> no problem
[05:45] <DjCyre|AFK> you have been a huge help
[05:45] <wolfsong> sorry
[05:46] <swim> .....
[05:46] <wolfsong> i want a backup partition on my second physical drive in case i format the first one
[05:46] <swim> im sitting here in recovery mode on irssi hoping to get some assistance...
[05:46] <wolfsong> how should the the backup partition be mounted
[05:46] <swim> in recovery mode you dont even get anymore consoles to try and look up anything
[05:47] <Managu> wolfsong: do you know the name of the partition?  i.e. /dev/hdc4?
[05:47] <qazix> anyone know what package(s) control KDE's menu layout? I'm trying to figure out what I need to replace to restore Debian's menu layout in KDE  (menu-xdg most likely, but is there anything else?)
[05:47] <DjCyre|AFK> GoneBoB: do I need to do anything extra for my Nforce2 chipset?
[05:47] <Managu> swim: new installation, or is it a new problem?
[05:48] <GoneBoB> DjCyre|AFK: I don't think so
[05:48] <wolfsong> Managu, don't think so
[05:48] <GoneBoB> I'm not 100% sure
[05:48] <swim> Managu: just installed ubuntu
[05:48] <DjCyre|AFK> ok, thanks again
[05:48] <swim> Managu: but Ive tried installing ubuntu months ago and same thing happened... so i just gave up and used another distro
[05:48] <Managu> swim: just an offhand question -- have you tried the ubuntu live cd?
[05:48] <Managu> wolfsong: how are you making the backup partition?
[05:48] <swim> Managu: no I havent
[05:49] <wolfsong> Managu, i'm using the partition tool in the setup
[05:49] <Managu> swim: My first thought is that you might try to setup X to use the vesafb driver
[05:49] <Managu> wolfsong: hrmm.  Are you just installing now?
[05:49] <wolfsong> yes
[05:50] <wolfsong> i assume it's just /dev/hdb#
[05:50] <Managu> wolfsong: well, the install tool lets you mount partitions in the advanced mode, doesn't it?
[05:51] <swim> Managu: its probably using "nv" now, should I just change "nv" to "vesafb" ?
[05:51] <wolfsong> Managu, i'm not sure i follow. do you mean can i manually set them up?
[05:51] <Managu> swim: no, it would likely be more complex than that.  Haven't tried it myself recently =/
[05:52] <swim> alright Im going to try another channel
[05:52] <Managu> wolfsong: I don't suppose I understand your question. You're installing Ubuntu, probably on a different machine than IRCing.  You're at the step where you're setting up partitions.  The normal mode just sort of does it... and there's an advanced mode, no?
[05:53] <smooth-operator> does anyone know the command to instal a tar.gz file i downloaded?
[05:53] <crimsun> swim: where does it become black?
[05:53] <nevyn> smooth-operator: there's several but what is it?
[05:53] <crimsun> swim: or rather, when?
[05:53] <smooth-operator> it's pure ftp
[05:53] <nevyn> there's probably an easier way than using a tar.gz
[05:53] <wolfsong> Managu: I assume i'm in an advanced mode
[05:53] <wolfsong> i'm selecting the partition options
[05:54] <smooth-operator> i want to run an ftp server and i heard pure ftp is one of the easiest to use
[05:54] <swim> crimsun: I believe when it starts x... I hear something that sounds like ubuntu is staring little sound notification or whatever...
[05:54] <nevyn> smooth-operator: pureftpD or pureftp?
[05:54] <wolfsong> when i get to the point of how it will be used i have"
[05:54] <wolfsong> "/"
[05:54] <nevyn> smooth-operator: apt-get install pure-ftpd
[05:54] <wolfsong> "/usr"
[05:54] <wolfsong> "/home"
[05:54] <smooth-operator> nevyn: pureftpd
[05:54] <wolfsong> etc
[05:54] <crimsun> swim: ok, so you never see the gdm login screen with the ubuntu logo?
[05:54] <nevyn> smooth-operator: or use synaptic search for pure-ftpd you may need to enable universe.
[05:55] <swim> crimsun: no I don't
[05:55] <smooth-operator> i have universe enabled
[05:55] <smooth-operator> thanks nevyn!
[05:55] <wolfsong> i assume i don't want home because it will put all the home directories there
[05:55] <Managu> wolfsong: I see.  If you want the partition to be used as a "backup" (I'm not really sure what you've got in mind for that), you might want to tell it to mount as "/backup"
[05:55] <smooth-operator> so apt-get has access to thousands of files out there?
[05:55] <Managu> wolfgang: or some such
[05:56] <crimsun> swim: pure Warty, correct?
[05:56] <wolfsong> ahhh i found a manual entry thanks!
[05:56] <swim> crimsun: yes from ubuntu install cd
[05:56] <crimsun> swim: would you paste /var/log/XFree86.0.log onto pastebin.com?
[05:57] <swim> crimsun: I could but it will take me some time... I have to boot up with a mepis livecd
[05:57] <qazix> crimsun: hey, can you do me a favor? check which debian package contains /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu
[05:58] <crimsun> qazix: gnome-menus
[05:58] <nevyn> synaptic is a front-end for apt.
[05:58] <qazix> crimsun: that's not in Debian
[05:58] <crimsun> swim: curl -F "code=</var/log/XFree86.0.log" -F poster=YourNick -F parent_pid= -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php 2> /dev/null | grep YourNick
[05:58] <qazix> crimsun: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnome-menus.html
[05:59] <kleedrac> Anyone ever see cedega throw an error like this: "wine client perror:3: sendmsg: Bad file descriptor"
[05:59] <crimsun> kleedrac: #cedega
[05:59] <kleedrac> crimsun: Thanks
[05:59] <swim> crimsun ok I still need to turn off irssi (Im in recovery mode so only one console)
[05:59] <crimsun> swim: time to learn of screen :)
[05:59] <swim> huh?
[05:59] <qazix> crimsun: well, KDE is definitely using that for menu generation (moving that file out of the way and running update-menus really cleans out my menu)
[05:59] <crimsun> qazix: I thought you said you use hoary
[06:00] <qazix> crimsun: yes
[06:00] <qazix> crimsun: I'm trying to figure out what Debian package contains the file that I need to replace that
[06:01] <nevyn> smooth-operator: synaptic is a frontend for apt apt has thousands of packages availible on ubuntu probably ~10thousand with universe enabled
[06:01] <crimsun> qazix: how hard did you look?
[06:01] <swim> crimsun so Ill logout of irssi and type that then? and come back into irssi?
[06:02] <crimsun> qazix: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=applications.menu&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386  <-- for instance, this?
[06:02] <qazix> crimsun: thanks ;)
[06:02] <crimsun> swim: yes
[06:02] <swim> brb
[06:03] <setite> ok
[06:03] <drspin> evening all ;)
[06:03] <setite> after several several hours i got ubuntu installed
[06:04] <Managu> sup drspin
[06:04] <setite> took about 5 hours to get windows to let me defragment the drive... it wouldnt let me do it without running chkdsk /f... which refused to run
[06:04] <drspin> how are things this evening?
[06:04] <setite> now i need help
[06:04] <setite> the time is wrong
[06:04] <setite> how do i make it synchronize
[06:04] <setite> it says i need to run NTP support
[06:04] <Managu> setite: everything else working?
[06:05] <Managu> setite: is the time correct in windows?
[06:05] <setite> as far as i know
[06:05] <setite> yea it is
[06:05] <setite> i can easily adjust it
[06:05] <smooth-operator> anybody here use pureftpd?
[06:05] <Managu> setite: oh fun.  Lemme see -- it's a timezone problem, then?
[06:05] <setite> but i would like it to syncronize
[06:05] <nevyn> I use proftpd...
[06:05] <Managu> setite: i.e. the time is off by a few hours?
[06:05] <setite> no its set for los angeles
[06:06] <setite> which is one state over... proper time zone
[06:06] <lilubu> how do i automount my windows partitions ?
[06:06] <Managu> setite: oh, ok.  You probably want to install the "ntpdate" package
[06:06] <setite> ok
[06:06] <smooth-operator> i get this error "Unable to start a standalone server: Permission denied" any ideas?
[06:06] <nevyn> smooth-operator: you need to do that with sudo
[06:06] <setite> i have the latest version
[06:06] <setite> hmmmm
[06:07] <setite> i think i need to run it
[06:07] <nevyn> your user doesn't have rights to the socket for ftp. but using FTP is a bad idea anyway
[06:07] <Managu> setite: ntpdate will run automatically at boot time to sync the time to the ubuntu ntp server.  That is assuming that networking is going ok
[06:07] <setite> how do i do that
[06:07] <drspin> lilubu: put it in /etc/fstab
[06:07] <Managu> setite: if you want to run it RIGHT NOW!, you need to run "sudo ntpdate <ntp server>"
[06:07] <lilubu> drspin could you be a little more specific ?  i dont know fstab very much
[06:08] <Managu> setite: at the risk of being a heretic, I use (oh, I forget now) time.windows.com as my ntp server
[06:08] <smooth-operator> now i get this error when i use the sudo command "Unable to start a standalone server: Address already in use"
[06:08] <Managu> but I think ubuntu runs it's own ntp server -- ntp.ubuntulinux.org?
[06:08] <drspin> lilubu: what is the command you used to mount the partition in the first place?
[06:08] <setite> haha
[06:08] <setite> ill fix it later
[06:08] <lilubu> i failed to mount it :(
[06:08] <setite> i need mp3s!
[06:09] <setite> what do i need
[06:09] <drspin> setite - I would fix it now... before you start installing and configuring stuff... had a bad GENTOO experience
[06:09] <setite> damnit
[06:09] <setite> ok
[06:09] <Managu> lilubu: know what partition your windows partition is on?
[06:09] <lilubu> /dev/hda5
[06:10] <lilubu> i entered that with "defaults, 0    0 "  and type ntfs in fstab -- think it'll work ?
[06:10] <setite> how do i fix it
[06:10] <Managu> My current fstab entry for windows is :/dev/hda1       /mnt/hda1       ntfs    user,noauto,ro,umask=0002 0 0
[06:10] <setite> i ran sudo ntpdate time.windows.com
[06:10] <setite> that sufficient?
[06:11] <setite>  2 Jan 21:10:30 ntpdate[20150] : step time server 207.46.130.100 offset 21.770993 sec
[06:11] <drspin> lilubu: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt/windows
[06:11] <Managu> setite: looks good
[06:11] <drspin> setite: indeed
[06:11] <setite> what do i need for mp3
[06:11] <Managu> setite: get some mp3s?
[06:11] <setite> i searched for mp3 in synaptic and i have libgmp3 and libmp3hip0 installed
[06:11] <setite> no support
[06:12] <drspin> setite : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> mpg123
[06:12] <setite> yea i didnt find mpg123 on synaptic
[06:12] <nevyn> mp3blaster > mpg123
[06:13] <nevyn> mpg123 is non-free anyway
[06:13] <setite> oh
[06:13] <crimsun> install mpg321
[06:13] <setite> sorta like xvid eh?
[06:13] <drspin> setite: if you want it the easy way, read that wiki page -- had mp3 within 5 mins of my install :)
[06:13] <setite> no xmms by default... es muy mal
[06:14] <lilubu> /mnt/win_d is not visable by normal user though
[06:14] <setite> ok after mp3s i need opera
[06:14] <drspin> setite: Opera?
[06:14] <jmhodges> hmm.. anybody know of an app to snag rm streams? totem doesn't want to let me skip ahead in this 35 minute realvideo link that i was almost finished with
[06:14] <setite> firefox is killing me
[06:14] <drspin> setite: ?????
[06:14] <setite> i dont like it... its weird
[06:15] <lilubu> the mount command worked however its only accessible from a terminal, not the user gnome interface
[06:15] <crimsun> jmhodges: streamripper? ripcast?
[06:15] <setite> i need to add the universe repo?
[06:16] <drspin> setite: yes
[06:16] <setite> ok so mpg321 or gstreamer
[06:16] <drspin> setite: both :) they're both so small...
[06:16] <jmhodges> crimsun: streamripper is for shoutcast streams..
[06:16] <setite> but do i need both
[06:16] <jmhodges> i just need something that understands rstp i suppose..
[06:16] <setite> mpg321 for video?
[06:16] <drspin> gstreamer go me working with the already installed music players - I use Muine
[06:17] <jmhodges> ah, perhaps mplayer's dumpstream will work
[06:17] <swoon> crimsun still there?
[06:18] <Managu> swan -> swoon?  heh
[06:18] <swoon> no swim -> swoon
[06:18] <crimsun> swoon: what's up?
[06:18] <Managu> ahh, darnit.  Who was swan?
[06:18] <jmhodges> who's on first?
[06:18] <crimsun> jmhodges: I'd grab them using mplayer's dump audio method
[06:19] <setite> wth im lost
[06:19] <jmhodges> crimsun: natch :)
[06:19] <Managu> jmhodges: heh
[06:19] <setite> im trying to add universe
[06:19] <setite> i dont get this
[06:19] <swoon> crimsun this is swim here:  http://www.pastebin.com/193852
[06:19] <setite> "Select one or the other, and see which one shows Section(s): universe"
[06:19] <setite> im not seeing anything abotu sections
[06:19] <setite> the both say main restricted
[06:19] <lilubu> it keeps telling me i dont have permission to view contents of win_d when i sudo it
[06:20] <setite> oh no nvm
[06:20] <crimsun> oooh, excellent
[06:20] <setite> the ubuntu install was long though
[06:21] <crimsun> I love repeated problmes.
[06:21] <crimsun> -lems
[06:21] <setite> the part where it connected and installed updates
[06:21] <setite> god i thought id die
[06:21] <crimsun> swoon: reboot, and in bios, disable the usb legacy mouse emulation
[06:21] <setite> ooh lemme try that hotplugging with my mp3 player
[06:21] <lilubu> crimsun i would like to mount /dev/hda5 as /mnt/win_d and have permission to read it as my user account -- can anyone help ?
[06:22] <setite> yay! it works
[06:22] <crimsun> lilubu: pass the umask parameter to mount (or place it in /etc/fstab)
[06:22] <setite> ok well i love ubuntu
[06:22] <crimsun> lilubu: you could also use the uid and gid params
[06:22] <setite> the livecd sucked it big time
[06:22] <setite> but this worked fine
[06:23] <pgwhiz> g'evening
[06:23] <swoon> crimsun Ive been in my bios many times before but Ive never seen any way to disable usb  legacy mouse
[06:23] <setite> ok do i have to mount my ntfs partition manually?
[06:23] <setite> the live cd showed it auto
[06:24] <Managu> swoon: just curoius -- how big is your monitor?
[06:24] <Managu> swoon: and, if it's ever been used with another windowing system, what's the max resolution you've used it at?
[06:24] <swoon> Managu its a 15.4 laptop...
[06:24] <swoon> Managu the largest Ive used is 1400x1050
[06:25] <setite> why do some things in synaptic that you dont have have starts on them?
[06:25] <Managu> swoon: that's a rather odd resolution . . .
[06:25] <setite> are those popular or something
[06:25] <crimsun> swoon: look closely
[06:25] <swoon> Managu um no its not
[06:25] <crimsun> swoon: also, which laptop is this?
[06:25] <swoon> crimsun ok to what?
[06:25] <swoon> crimsun its a r3000z
[06:25] <swoon> compaq
[06:25] <swoon> presario
[06:26] <lilubu> crimsum the uid of default user is 1000 could you be so kind as to give me an exact line this is what i've been doing: sudo mount -t ntfs uid=1000 /dev/hda5 /mnt/win_d
[06:26] <setite> god i love synaptic
[06:26] <crimsun> lilubu: -o umask=000,uid=1000,gid=1000
[06:27] <crimsun> lilubu: that should get you on your way
[06:27] <lilubu> thank you
[06:27] <nevyn> btw you can just use a username rather than a uid there.
[06:29] <swoon> crimsun still with me?
[06:29] <wolfsong> hi anyone no what Error 18 at boot would be?
[06:29] <crimsun> swoon: yes, be patient.
[06:29] <wolfsong> comes up right after grub starts loading
[06:29] <crimsun> (I'm at work, so I can't answer immediately sometimes)
[06:29] <Amroc> lamont, you have addicted me to 5 card mao
[06:30] <drspin> setite: Synaptic is nice to use I agree :)
[06:30] <crimsun> swoon: lsmod|grep psmouse
[06:31] <swoon> crimsun Im in mepis livecd now...
[06:32] <setite> hey someone help
[06:32] <setite> im trying to make ntfs automoutn
[06:32] <setite> now im using the wiki
[06:32] <setite> /dev/hda1        /mnt/win98        vfat       defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[06:32] <setite> thats what the tut says
[06:32] <setite> but im using ntfs
[06:32] <Managu> swoon,crimsun: just another random thought: it looks to me from that x-log paste that the x-server is trying to display at a resolution of 1792x1344.  That's a fair bit higher than you indicate your laptop supports.
[06:32] <setite> so what do i put in place of vfat
[06:32] <Agrajag> ntfs
[06:32] <setite> ok
[06:32] <techn9ne> setitle, www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:32] <setite> :)
[06:33] <wolfsong> Managu: any idea what error 18 on boot would be?
[06:34] <calc> wolfsong:
[06:34] <calc> 18 : Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
[06:34] <calc>     This error is returned when a read is attempted at a linear block address beyond the end of the BIOS translated area. This generally happens if your disk is larger than the BIOS can handle (512MB for (E)IDE disks on older machines or larger than 8GB in general).
[06:34] <setite> what is this part
[06:34] <setite> defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[06:34] <setite> the uid, gid
[06:34] <Managu> setite: "auto" = always mount
[06:34] <setite> yea i know that part
[06:34] <daniels> swoon: looks like the nvidia driver in warty is broken
[06:34] <Managu> setite "uid=1000" = all files on this partition are made to look like they're owned by the user with the ID of 1000
[06:34] <wolfsong> it doesn't like my syquest drive
[06:34] <swoon> Managu ahh, Im looking at XF86config and it seems to say that its trying to use 1680x1050... which is also to big
[06:34] <crimsun> daniels: the 'nv' one?
[06:34] <daniels> crimsun: yeah
[06:35] <crimsun> k
[06:35] <swoon> oh hmm so maybe I need to install a new nvidia-glx?
[06:35] <Managu> swoon: well, it lists a large number of modelines, but a number of them are eliminated during startup as not being compatible for some reason or other.
[06:35] <crimsun> swoon: try editing your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Modes to restrict them to 1280x800 and below
[06:35] <crimsun> swoon: according to http://cmb.phys.cwru.edu/kisner/linux/compaq-r3000/ , the binary nvidia driver is necessary for proper function
[06:36] <setite> awesome.. thanks managui
[06:36] <setite> managu
[06:36] <Managu> np
[06:36] <daniels> swoon: that doesn't indicate to me you're using nvidia-glx
[06:36] <daniels> oh, right
[06:36] <daniels> yeah, score one for nvidia.
[06:36] <swoon> im not
[06:36] <techn9ne> im using nvidia driver works great
[06:37] <techn9ne> i don tplay games so i dont know how great it is w/ 3d though
[06:37] <setite> question... when file browsing each folder opens in a new window... can i stop that?
[06:37] <spikeb> the nvidia driver works great for games.
[06:37] <swoon> ok so, what should I  download onto harddrive here now that Im in mepislive, to install the nvidia drivers?
[06:37] <techn9ne> setite, yes its an option somewhere
[06:37] <techn9ne> they have a big long explanation of why thats better
[06:37] <techn9ne> it remembers window positions and its more "object oriented" or something
[06:38] <techn9ne> you can go ctrl+shift+w and it closes all child windows
[06:38] <Managu> swoon: there are a number of options to try.  for the nvidia drivers, you can go to www.nvidia.com, and browse their driver stuff
[06:38] <techn9ne> i dont remember where the option is located but its in one of hte GUI preference things
[06:38] <swoon> will the nvidia installer from nvidia.com compile on ubuntu fine?
[06:38] <crimsun> swoon: no need, it's already in warty
[06:39] <drspin> techn9ne: ctrl+shift+w here only closes a single parent window for me...
[06:39] <lilubu> how hard is it to install ati's driver ?
[06:39] <setite> is there a divx codec?
[06:39] <crimsun> lilubu: there are a number of steps. See the BinaryDriversHowto
[06:39] <setite> better yet
[06:39] <spikeb> not hard to install either drivers
[06:39] <setite> is there like one big ass codec pack?
[06:39] <crimsun> setite: get 'w32codecs'
[06:39] <techn9ne> drspin, it will close all parent windows you used to get to the currently selected window
[06:39] <setite> oh... duh
[06:40] <swoon> crimsun I thougt daniels just said it was broken? or are you saying that the nvidia stuff is in the repositories?
[06:40] <techn9ne> setite, http://www.bytebot.net/geekdocs/spatial-nautilus.html
[06:40] <setite> ive only seen that mentioned like 30 times
[06:40] <drspin> techn9ne: but it doesn't, it only closes the parent window...
[06:40] <techn9ne> i dunno works fo rme
[06:40] <drspin> ...lucky
[06:40] <crimsun> swoon: to be honest, I'm not sure daniels was referring to "nvidia" (as opposed to "nv")
[06:41] <crimsun> swoon: but they are in the repo
[06:41] <setite> ok when i install an application with synaptic... its supposed to show up in my applications right
[06:41] <crimsun> swoon: you just have to follow the BinaryDriversHowto
[06:41] <setite> does it all go to one folder or does it attempt to categorize it
[06:41] <crimsun> swoon: err, BinaryDriverHowto
[06:41] <swoon> crimsun ok, then what do I need to do from cli to setup apt so it will download from repositories?
[06:41] <calc> setite: only fdo .desktop ones will
[06:42] <calc> and then even all of those might not, depending on how the gnome menu is written
[06:42] <setite> ??
[06:42] <crimsun> swoon: follow the steps for Nvidia here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:42] <calc> eg the majority of non gnome/kde apps will not show up in the gnome menu
[06:42] <setite> ok well i dont know what fdo .desktop is but how do i make xmms show up in the menu
[06:42] <crimsun> swoon: use a text browser like 'w3m' or 'links'
[06:43] <calc> setite: you can't easily
[06:43] <drspin> setite: restart gnome and it'll show up - mine did
[06:43] <setite> damn
[06:43] <drspin> in multimedia
[06:43] <calc> ah well yea restarting might make it show up, didn't know gnome didn't automatically recognize newly installed files
[06:43] <swoon> crimsun how can I stop x from starting at boot?
[06:43] <setite> oh ok... after i figure out the browsing thing ill restart... i want to see how fast ubuntu boots versus fedora
[06:44] <drspin> calc: sometimes it does... haven't noticed a pattern to that either :/
[06:44] <calc> drspin: fun
[06:45] <setite> drspin - do i need to restart altogether or just log out and in
[06:46] <drspin> I hope he just logged out and back in ;)
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:46] <swoon> anyone tell me how to stop x from starting at boot?
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> no he is rebooting
[06:47] <smooth-operator> anybody know how i can find out the address of the ftp server i'm trying to run?
[06:47] <lamont> Amroc: glad to help. :-)
[06:48] <setite> awesome
[06:48] <lamont> Amroc: I'm generally available to schedule a game...
[06:48] <setite> that did it
[06:48] <setite> thanks drspin
[06:48] <drspin> setite: ;)
[06:48] <drspin> setite: no problem - glad I could help!
[06:48] <setite> yea
[06:48] <setite> now im at home
[06:48] <setite> xmms is great
[06:48] <setite> i needed a familiar mp3 app
[06:48] <nevyn> smooth-operator: why are you attempting to run an ftp server?
[06:49] <smooth-operator> nevyn: to host files for friends and family
[06:49] <nevyn> on an internal network?
[06:49] <crimsun> swoon: there are 2 methods
[06:49] <smooth-operator> no, from all over the places
[06:49] <setite> ok it looks like automounting didnt work
[06:49] <nevyn> smooth-operator: do you have a permanant IP addres or a domain name?
[06:50] <smooth-operator> i believe my ip address is static
[06:50] <nevyn> or static enough?
[06:50] <setite> nvm found it
[06:50] <smooth-operator> yeah, i don't think it changes very often
[06:50] <swoon> does anyone know how to stop X from starting at boot??
[06:50] <nevyn> smooth-operator: you need to configure dynamic dns to make this useful.
[06:50] <smooth-operator> ok
[06:51] <smooth-operator> so i need to register a dns address or something to that effect?
[06:51] <nevyn> so you need a domain name and somthing that will point it at you and let you login and update it.
[06:51] <crimsun> swoon: you can either use update-rc.d, or (actually there are more methods) remove the executable bit from /etc/init.d/gdm, or change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to not point to /usr/bin/gdm
[06:51] <smooth-operator> ok i'll try and figure that out
[06:51] <Managu> swoon: or just start in runlevel 2?
[06:51] <swoon> how do I start in runlevel 2?
[06:52] <crimsun> Managu: Ubuntu, like Debian, doesn't mess with runlevels. 2-5 are identical.
[06:52] <nevyn> Managu: type runlevel at a prompt.
[06:52] <Managu> crimsun: Oh?  Hrmm, ok
[06:52] <crimsun> swoon: try one of the methods I typed.
[06:52] <nevyn> swoon: or mv /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm /etc/rc.d/K99gdm
[06:53] <nevyn> bleh that second path should be rc2.d/K99gdm
[06:53] <nevyn> crimsun: users should not use update-rc.d it's only for packages when they update their changes will be lost.
[06:54] <setite> is w32codecs not on the repos?
[06:54] <swoon> nevyn can I just change it to S99gdm-old ?
[06:54] <nevyn> no.
[06:54] <nevyn> swoon: the S means START K means KILL
[06:54] <lilubu> if i do apt-get upgrade it wont upgrade to hoary will it ?
[06:54] <nevyn> Kill == don't start.
[06:55] <swoon> alright brb
[06:55] <setite> hey to install opera which debian version do i get
[06:55] <setite> sid, sarge, woody or potato
[06:56] <setite> sid right
[06:56] <setite> or sarge
[06:56] <setite> ok ill get sid
[06:57] <crimsun> nevyn: policy does not make it clear that only maintainer scripts can use update-rc.d or invoke-rc.d
[06:57] <crimsun> [I'm looking at 9.3.1] 
[06:57] <bob2> update-rc.d's changes should not be lost
[06:58] <bob2> I'm pretty sure it's a bug if they are
[06:58] <setite> hey who here had the emachine
[06:58] <bob2> setite: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats (re w32codecs)
[06:58] <zenrox> setite,  i do
[06:58] <setite> hey where do i get better drivers for this onboard video
[06:58] <bob2> and I wouldn't recommend people remove the executable bits from init scripts, that's going to be a pain in the arse for someone to fix later
[06:58] <setite> i need a better resolution
[06:59] <zenrox> setite,  i845g/gl mobo
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> setite, that is an intel mb
[06:59] <setite> yea i believe so... well i845gv i think
[06:59] <bob2> X's default i810 driver is as good as it gets
[06:59] <setite> does intel have the drivers?
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> you need the 855resolution patch
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> yes
[06:59] <crimsun> bob2: the safest method might then be to simply change /etc/X11/default-display-manager ?
[06:59] <zenrox> setite, ya just use i840 driver
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> first instasll the  drivers from intel
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> then run this patch
[07:00] <setite> ok now what tutorial explains how to do that
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> my lug site
[07:00] <setite> 855patch
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> no
[07:00] <bob2> intel has random other X drivers that aren't in ubuntu?
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> that only partially works
[07:00] <zenrox> nomasteryoda,  web page please??
[07:00] <bob2> crimsun: removing the link from rc2.d seems easiest to me, and easist to undo later
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> link getting
[07:00] <daniels> bob2: no, these are the random 'oh, hey, video bios, let's change random crap and hope it's right' tools
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> http://mgalug.org/suse/9.2?PHPSESSID=e4d272fc6ed52e0252b3cf048a793e51
[07:01] <bob2> crimsun: plus it'd be the first place someone would look if they're trying to renable it
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> i have the 1400x1050 high res here on this new dell
[07:01] <bob2> daniels: haha
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> using suse
[07:01] <zenrox> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1993.016 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 289/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.86G Free: 30.39G Procs: 85 Uptime: 2 hrs 10 mins 9 secs Load: 1.38 1.69 1.69  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 11.90M Out: 1.01M
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> but it works great and fast
[07:01] <nevyn> crimsun: but if an administrator uses it the changes will be reverted when they next invoke-rc.d
[07:01] <zenrox> default drivers for my vid card
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> this thing is truly crystal clear now
[07:02] <zenrox> mine is too i am using hoary with x.org
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> make sure you follow allan's resolution setting
[07:03] <daniels> unless you have a problem -- such as not having the right resolution on your widescreen laptop -- do not install any additional tools or driver.
[07:03] <daniels> it will just break your system.
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> and you will need to modify the boot.local file or whatever ubuntu calls it
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> daniels, this works and made my video GL work too
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> i like to play bzflag
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> =)
[07:03] <bob2> if the res isn't detected properly, wouldn't it be better to file a bug so it can be fixed automatically?
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> and be able to read the screen fonts
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> bob2, yes
[07:04] <setite> shit i thought i could run a .deb like i did with rpms
[07:04] <setite> it wont run
[07:04] <bob2> you don't run rpms either
[07:04] <bob2> you install them
[07:04] <bob2> 'sudo dpkg -i blah.deb'
[07:05] <setite> ok ok
[07:05] <setite> well with fedora it had a dummy method when you double-clicked the file
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> setite, this patch is easy to install
[07:05] <daniels> bob2: it'll get merged as a duplicate of the terrible vbe implementation thing
[07:05] <setite> im installing opera atm
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> coo
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> l
[07:05] <bob2> ah, haha
[07:06] <setite> since the file is in the /home do i have to bother sayign which directory the .deb is in?
[07:06] <techn9ne> eww fedora
[07:06] <techn9ne> dont use the f word in here
[07:06] <bob2> setite: it's a normal path...
[07:06] <bob2> if you're in the directory, you just have to give the filename
[07:07] <setite> cool... alright i knew this would happen
[07:07] <wolfsong> well removing my syquest drive didn't fix the problem
[07:07] <wolfsong> i think it doesn't like the 3rd IDE control
[07:08] <setite> what are the stars on packages for
[07:08] <wolfsong> but now i can't even boot to the CD
[07:08] <bob2> setite: 'stars'?
[07:08] <setite> they are ones without the ubuntu icon on synaptic
[07:08] <bob2> unsupported
[07:08] <setite> oh ok
[07:09] <setite> ok installing the libqt3c102-mt that i need
[07:09] <drspin> install the december background - she's sexy
[07:10] <setite> are any not sexy?
[07:10] <murtaza> how can i run shockwave web pages in mozilla
[07:10] <Agrajag> murtaza: install windows
[07:10] <setite> oh come on agra
[07:10] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:10] <Agrajag> setite: what
[07:10] <setite> we must not speak of such things
[07:10] <nomasteryoda> murtaza, get crossover office
[07:10] <wolfsong> what exactly is grub?
[07:10] <nomasteryoda> you can install it then
[07:10] <murtaza> Agrajag, do u have deal with window
[07:10] <calc> wolfsong: the bootloader
[07:11] <techn9ne> there is no shockwave for linux
[07:11] <calc> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/
[07:11] <techn9ne> flash yes, shockwave no
[07:11] <setite>  sudo dpkg -i opera.deb
[07:11] <setite> (Reading database ... 61719 files and directories currently installed.)
[07:11] <setite> Preparing to replace opera 7.54-20041210.5 (using opera.deb) ...
[07:11] <setite> Unpacking replacement opera ...
[07:11] <setite> Setting up opera (7.54-20041210.5) ...
[07:11] <setite> whoops
[07:11] <murtaza> techn9ne, oj
[07:11] <wolfsong> calc: where does it load from?
[07:11] <setite> didnt think it would flood sorry
[07:11] <setite> does that mean its intalled?
[07:11] <murtaza> techn9ne, ok
[07:11] <wolfsong> my bios is ignoring the CD set to boot first
[07:11] <bob2> setite: yes
[07:11] <calc> wolfsong: the boot sector
[07:11] <setite> it just said setting up and gave me another prompt
[07:11] <setite> ok cool
[07:11] <wolfsong> well something is weird
[07:11] <setite> now for the video drivers
[07:11] <wolfsong> i can't boot from the CD anymore
[07:12] <calc> wolfsong: its a bios problem most likely, grub just installs into the boot sector on the hd
[07:12] <f00f> umm does ubuntu include PPPoE? and is it configured automatically?
[07:12] <bob2> daniels: how does windows handle all those broken vbe things? special-case-o-matic?
[07:12] <bob2> f00f: yes, no
[07:12] <wolfsong> i've checked the bios
[07:12] <bob2> f00f: run 'sudo pppoeconf'
[07:12] <f00f> bob2, ok cool
[07:12] <f00f> bob2, thx :)
[07:12] <wolfsong> boot order is fine
[07:12] <setite> nomasteryoda - this patch in source?
[07:12] <nomasteryoda> yea
[07:12] <setite> ok
[07:13] <setite> i saw .c and said uh oh
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> easy thoug
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> make sudo
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> make install
[07:13] <nomasteryoda> follow the Readme file
[07:13] <setite> hmmm we'll see how easily this noob can fumble through this
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> you can do it
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> =)
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> I could live with the VESA 800x600 which SuSE dumped me into, but why?
[07:14] <setite> nope....
[07:15] <setite> i went to the instructions.. i dotn even get it
[07:15] <setite> and its says xorg this and that... isnt wart xfree86?
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> setite, it should work for warty too
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> i did it on my warty as well
[07:15] <zenrox> setite,  thay are talken about hoary
[07:15] <setite> yea if i can figure out how to tailor the directions
[07:16] <setite> should i get 2.6.9?
[07:16] <bob2> why don't one of you guys produce an X package with that patch?
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> wish i could
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> setite, i'm using 2.6.8
[07:17] <wolfsong> any suggestions?
[07:17] <techn9ne> 2.6.10 just came out
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> yea
[07:17] <zenrox> techn9ne,  an an switching now
[07:17] <techn9ne> i dunno id rather wait for ubuntu to test it and package it
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> but i hate reconfiguring my vmware
[07:17] <setite> hmmmm maybe i should just stick with this resolution
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> no
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> it hurt my eyes
[07:17] <techn9ne> i dont have a desire to wait to compile stuff and try and reconfigure stuff on my own
[07:17] <setite> no i think i will... until i can muster up the energy to try this
[07:18] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:18] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:18] <nomasteryoda> just bookmark that site
[07:18] <nomasteryoda> when you want to run GL apps, you will install it
[07:18] <setite> "In '855resolution.c' I had to change
[07:18] <setite> *bios_type = -1;
[07:18] <setite> to
[07:18] <setite> *bios_type = 0;
[07:18] <setite> Then I just installed the thing with 'make ; make install'
[07:18] <setite> I then added
[07:18] <setite> /usr/sbin/855resolution 3c 1400 1050"
[07:18] <setite> bla bla bla... does this patch already have that done
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> when you do make
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> then make install
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> yes
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> it will
[07:19] <setite> well i still dont see how to make install
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> open root terminal
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> sudo make install
[07:19] <zenrox> or do sudo make install
[07:20] <setite> In '855resolution.c' I had to change
[07:20] <setite> *bios_type = -1;
[07:20] <setite> to
[07:20] <setite> *bios_type = 0;
[07:20] <setite> Then I just installed the thing with 'make ; make install'
[07:20] <setite> I then added
[07:20] <setite> /usr/sbin/855resolution 3c 1400 1050
[07:20] <setite> shit
[07:20] <setite> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[07:20] <setite> hmmmm i know im being stupid sorry
[07:20] <Basttrax> Hey everyone.
[07:20] <nomasteryoda> no, it's ok
[07:21] <techn9ne> theres no stupid questions just stupid ppl
[07:21] <setite> so i need to edit the bios type in the .c
[07:22] <Basttrax> Can anyone tell me what the best app is for chatting through msn? I'm using Gaim right now and have tried AMSN.
[07:22] <nomasteryoda> setite, it should already be there, but if not..yes
[07:22] <techn9ne> Basttrax, i like gaim
[07:23] <nomasteryoda> ic 845G, 855G 865G in that bios.c
[07:23] <techn9ne> never used amsn
[07:23] <setite> well where
[07:23] <techn9ne> kopete is good for kde
[07:23] <setite> there are several instances of the phrase
[07:23] <Basttrax> using it right now?
[07:23] <nomasteryoda> change the 845
[07:23] <techn9ne> kopete is better than gaim in my opinion
[07:23] <Basttrax> can I run it on Ubuntu Gnome?
[07:23] <setite> oh so i gotta find 845
[07:23] <nomasteryoda> yea
[07:23] <nomasteryoda> small file
[07:23] <nomasteryoda> switch (chipset) {
[07:23] <nomasteryoda>         case 0x25608086:
[07:23] <nomasteryoda>             printf("845G\n");
[07:24] <techn9ne> ummm yea i dont know what it would look like work like in gnome
[07:24] <Basttrax> Do you think apt-get will have it?
[07:24] <techn9ne> its part of kde
[07:24] <techn9ne> i think if you get kde it comes w/ it
[07:24] <techn9ne> gaim 1.0 is pretty good
[07:24] <setite> nope... i give up
[07:24] <techn9ne> i mean 1.1
[07:24] <techn9ne> gaim 1.1
[07:24] <techn9ne> http://kopete.kde.org/
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> setite, ok... when you want help, we'll be here
[07:24] <setite> gaim is nice
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> yes it is
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> i hate the Yim
[07:25] <Basttrax> Oh while i'm here how the heck do I update my Gaim. I'm at 1.0 and have tried atp-get and that package manager. no dice.
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> but gaim, yes
[07:25] <techn9ne> Basttrax, you gotta add backport ot yoru sources list
[07:25] <setite> thanks yoda... yea this is just a little frustrating after a day of fighting windows to get it to defragment and then the long ubuntu install
[07:25] <techn9ne> Basttrax, http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[07:26] <Basttrax> backport eh
[07:26] <Basttrax> I'll take a look
[07:26] <setite> i mean you may recall what time is set out to install ubuntu
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> setite, np
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> welcome
[07:26] <xhypno> Hey All! How is every one doing tonight
[07:26] <wolfsong> ok i can boot from a floopy
[07:26] <xhypno> ???
[07:26] <Basttrax> thanks
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> setite, yea
[07:26] <techn9ne> Basttrax, they take things from hoary test them out in warty
[07:26] <setite> it was probably like 30 hours ago
[07:26] <wolfsong> how can i fix the grub problem?
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:26] <techn9ne> like firestarter, firefox, gaim etc.
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> setite, i remember
[07:26] <setite> well alot of that was wasted because i couldnt get it to defrag
[07:26] <setite> stupid chkdsk
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> winders suck
[07:26] <setite> hell yea
[07:27] <setite> it had a deathgrip on the hard drive though
[07:27] <techn9ne> Basttrax, much better than pinning and pulling things directlry from hoary
[07:27] <xhypno> Anyone try to remove almost all packages, leaving just the essentials for a server?
[07:27] <xhypno> Apache, PHP, PERL, ASP, etc...
[07:27] <techn9ne> ummm you just selec ta custom install minmal
[07:27] <setite> ok now imma try again
[07:27] <Basttrax> ok. i'll take a loot. brb
[07:27] <setite> so can i just search for all bios=-1 and change the -1 to 0
[07:27] <techn9ne> xhypno, ive seen howtos on that for installing on < 500mb of space
[07:27] <techn9ne> on p100's
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> setite, in just the vbios.c
[07:28] <setite> hehe everytime i rethink abotu how big everythign i decide to try again
[07:28] <techn9ne> minimal installs then you just apt get apache, mysql, php etc on top of it
[07:28] <setite> hmmm im in the wrong file then
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> yes
[07:28] <setite> haha that would help
[07:28] <setite> but
[07:28] <setite> "In '855resolution.c' I had to change"
[07:28] <setite> so i figured it was that file
[07:29] <setite> im reading that guide
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> good
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> the README.txt is very helpful
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> too
[07:31] <Basttrax> Hey
[07:31] <Basttrax> It worked. I did a Force verison on gaim in the Package manager.
[07:31] <Basttrax> Hello?
[07:32] <thully> Hi - just one quick request - cound someone send me the default /etc/fonts/local.conf for a desktop PC (not a laptop)?
[07:32] <thully> from Hoary
[07:32] <Basttrax> How can i tell what version i'm running of ubuntu
[07:33] <techn9ne> uname -a i think
[07:33] <Basttrax> oh you came back
[07:33] <Basttrax> The Gaim thing worked. Thanks
[07:33] <techn9ne> backport?
[07:34] <Basttrax> I've only been using Ubuntu for like 5 days now I believe.
[07:34] <techn9ne> Basttrax: like it?
[07:34] <Basttrax> It's a huge transition from Windows.
[07:34] <Basttrax> Love it
[07:34] <techn9ne> yea my friend always calls me about his iwndows problems
[07:34] <techn9ne> registry, viruses, spyware
[07:34] <mark0> anyone here a ubuntu/ppc guru?
[07:34] <Basttrax> lol
[07:34] <techn9ne> im just like geez
[07:34] <techn9ne> defrag
[07:34] <Basttrax> yeah. thats kind of why i moved to ubuntu
[07:35] <techn9ne> it has its quirks but its a lot easier to get help and figure them out
[07:36] <mark0> after booting from the cd and installing, i get a kernel panic no console found upon reboot
[07:37] <Lin> hi all!!
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> hey
[07:37] <xhypno> Hi
[07:37] <thully> anybody have /etc/fonts/local.conf from Ubuntu Hoary on a desktop system?  I need this specific file from a desktop.
[07:37] <Lin> I have a little problem using nvidia-glx drivers with ubuntu xorg. I'm using hoary updated yesterday.
[07:39] <xhypno> Anyone here use 3ddesktop
[07:40] <xhypno> I get the following errors:
[07:40] <xhypno> get property WIN_WORKSPACE failed - setting one
[07:40] <xhypno> get property WIN_WORKSPACE_COUNT failed - setting one
[07:40] <xhypno> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:40] <xhypno> 3ddeskd: glXIsDirect failed, no Direct Rendering possible!
[07:40] <xhypno> I am running a Compaq 1516US laptop with an ATI340m video chipset
[07:40] <xhypno> (Radeon 9000)
[07:44] <xhypno> Anyone????
[07:44] <f00f> whatsup?
[07:44] <Lin> The problem is the following: I have compiled nvidia module using nvidia-kernel-source ubuntu package, with make-kpkg binary modules. Everything compiled fine. And the program versions are the following: nvidia-kernel-source 1.0.6629-0ubuntu10, X.ORg 6.8.1-1ubuntu8, but when I start X, I recieve the following error.. Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.6629, but this X module is version 1.0.6111. But X isn't more smart them me.. I have comp
[07:44] <f00f> YIKES!!!!!!!
[07:44] <f00f> long one :)
[07:45] <Lin> xhypno: glxgears run in your system?
[07:45] <f00f> Lin, hmm... perhaps you should install the X one from the site
[07:45] <xhypno> no
[07:46] <Lin> xhypno: you shoul reread the documentation about radeon module installation. I haven't one.. can't help.. sorry
[07:46] <Lin> f00f: which site?
[07:46] <f00f> http://nvidia.com
[07:46] <Lin> f00f: I running xorg from ubuntu repositories
[07:46] <Lin> f00f: I don't think that is a nvidia module problem...
[07:46] <drspin> Lin: there's a second part to that driver - but I can't remember what it was...
[07:47] <Lin> drspin: nvidia driver?
[07:47] <drspin> Lin: Yes, han gon
[07:48] <Lin> f00f, drspin, I always used debian way to compile nvidia drivers. The problem happened in 6629 version.. I really think that is a ubuntu package bug (in xorg)... But I will try the "official" nvidia drivers.
[07:48] <xhypno> brb, have to reboot, just reinstalled the ATI drivers.
[07:49] <drspin> Lin: Worked for me with a similar problem in SuSe
[07:49] <drspin> Lin: Good Luck
[07:49] <Lin> The funny thing is.... root can start X.. normal users dont... even Nvidia logo shows up.. :X
[07:50] <Lin> but it says: dlopen: /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1: undefined symbol: _nv000790gl
[07:52] <drspin> Lin: perhaps it's a permissions issue in the libs somewhere ??
[07:54] <Lin> drspin: -rw-r--r--  1 root root 7190068 2004-12-26 00:37 /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1.0.6629
[07:54] <drspin> Lin: I was meaning the libs that is linked against... if any ? (I'm just taking a total shot in the dark on this one)
[07:55] <Lin> drspin: hmm.. okz
[07:55] <Lin> brb
[07:57] <setite> hey everyone im havign troubles
[07:57] <setite> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build SUBDIRS=/home/setite/dripkg/agpgart-2.0 modules
[07:57] <setite> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[07:57] <setite> make: *** [default]  Error 2
[07:57] <setite> Makefile.linux:139: *** Cannot find a kernel config file.  Stop.
[07:57] <setite> where do i get those...
[07:57] <setite> kernel sources
[07:58] <drspin> LOL
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> going to hit the hay
[07:59] <setite> have fun yoda
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> setite, be back later tomorrow
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> you go man
[07:59] <setite> yea
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> you to man
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> tire
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> d
[07:59] <setite> in an hour i go to work
[07:59] <setite> but im tired too
[07:59] <xed> I'm back =(
[07:59] <xed> I suck
[08:00] <drspin> setite: if you search for kernel in synaptic you might find what you're looking for
[08:00] <setite> yea i need the linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386
[08:00] <setite> right?
[08:00] <drspin> In exactly 4 hours I get up to go to work :/
[08:00] <bob2> setite: what are you trying to do?
[08:00] <drspin> setite... uname -r in the console
[08:00] <setite> install a driver
[08:00] <bob2> if it's "build a module", you don't need the kernel source
[08:01] <setite> well what do i need then
[08:01] <setite> Compiling new agpgart module...
[08:01] <setite> ERROR: AGPGART module did not compile
[08:01] <setite> Compiling DRM module...
[08:01] <drspin> setite: did you already try the BinaryDrivers on the Wiki?
[08:01] <Amroc> lamont, what did you say?
[08:01] <setite> ERROR: Kernel modules did not compile
[08:01] <bob2> linux-headers-`uname -r`
[08:01] <setite> no i didnt
[08:01] <xed> How do I configure my wireless card to work with Ubuntu?
[08:01] <bob2> also, DRI stuff ships with ubuntu
[08:01] <bob2> xed: please check the FAQ
[08:02] <Lin> Some progress happened here...
[08:02] <setite> is there a binary driver for this
[08:02] <xed> bob2: thank you
[08:02] <bob2> DRI stuff comes with ubuntu already
[08:02] <bob2> Lin: you're the author of lincity?
[08:02] <Lin> Now it start nvidia module.. but: (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA 3D Acceleration Architecture Initialized (II) NVIDIA(0): Using the NVIDIA 2D acceleration architecture (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load GLX ...
[08:03] <Lin> bob2: ...
[08:03] <daniels> Lin: are you running hoary?
[08:03] <Lin> bob2: no ;-)
[08:03] <Lin> daniels: yes!
[08:03] <setite> what is DRI
[08:03] <daniels> Lin: it's broken.
[08:03] <bob2> setite: what are you trying to do?
[08:03] <Lin> Direct rendering interface
[08:03] <setite> get better resolutions
[08:03] <Lin> daniels: nvidia-glx? or Xorg?
[08:03] <setite> the highest i have is 1024x768./.. i know it can go higher
[08:03] <xed> bob2: it only says that with the wep encryption
[08:04] <daniels> Lin: xorg, but the only thing it's broken with is loading nvidia-glx
[08:04] <bob2> xed: says what?
[08:04] <xed> It shows here "No Wireless Devices" .. does that mean nothing in range.. or..?
[08:04] <Lin> daniels: using debian (official) nvidia-glx should help?
[08:04] <bob2> xed: that means you haven't set it up
[08:04] <bob2> xed: you read the wireless howto thing on the website?
[08:04] <xed> Where's that? O.O
[08:05] <bob2> linked from the FAQ, iirc
[08:05] <nomasteryoda> bob2, setite is referring to this site and my lug site ... to go to 1400x1050 res... http://perso.wanadoo.fr/apoirier/
[08:05] <daniels> Lin: no.
[08:05] <nomasteryoda> nite
[08:05] <Lin> daniels: to the hell!! :-(
[08:05] <Lin> daniels: I really want to play doom 3
[08:05] <setite> yea that thing
[08:06] <daniels> there are easily-findable workarounds
[08:06] <xed> thats another question
[08:06] <xed> How do I go about playing games?
[08:06] <Lin> daniels: point me a url ;-D
[08:06] <xed> (Completely new to linux as you can tell.)
[08:06] <wolfsong> i have a debian boot floopy. how can i use it to format my hdd?
[08:06] <setite> ok ive had enough... ill take another shot tomorrow
[08:07] <xed> bob2: I don't see any 'How-to' to set up the wireless card.
[08:08] <xed> nevermind, got it
[08:09] <Lin> daniels: installing from nvidia official driver solve the problem?
[08:09] <daniels> Lin: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=ubuntu+hoary+6629+broken+fix&btnG=Search&meta=
[08:09] <daniels> Lin: no, no matter which version of nvidia-glx you install, it will be broken, until you try the workaround.
[08:10] <Lin> I will ready now!! thank you
[08:10] <xed> bob2, you there?
[08:10] <bob2> yes.
[08:11] <xed> bob2, this documentation assumes that ubuntu sees the card.
[08:11] <xed> But it says here "No Wireless Devices"
[08:11] <bob2> yes, you need to find the driver
[08:12] <bob2> you haven't told us which chipset your card uses, tho
[08:12] <xed> chipset?
[08:12] <xed> Err..
[08:12] <xed> Atheros Super-G
[08:12] <bob2> do you have the atheros drivers installed?
[08:12] <bob2> they're in the linux-restricted-modules package or so
[08:12] <xed> I wouldn't know.  Completely new to this
[08:13] <xed> Yeah, I know all the drivers are there (learned that yesterday ...) but I need to know how to ..err.. access them..
[08:13] <bob2> what sort of ccard is it? mini-pci? pcmcia? usb?
[08:14] <xed> Its built-in.
[08:14] <bob2> does 'lsmod | grep ath' print anything?
[08:15] <xed> nothing
[08:16] <bob2> are you sure it's a atheros card?
[08:16] <xed> Atheros Super-G
[08:16] <xed> Yes, pretty sure.
[08:17] <xed> There's a sticker on the laptop for it.  I remember seeing something yesterday, instead of it saying "No Wireless Devices" yesterday, it said "ath0" there..
[08:17] <bob2> is this a thinkpad, perchance?
[08:18] <xed> no
[08:18] <xed> Toshiba Satellite A70
[08:18] <bob2> anyway, tryu 'sudo modprobe ath_hal' and see if it helps
[08:19] <xed> "FATAL: Module ath_hal not found.
[08:19] <xed> "
[08:21] <xed> I'm guessing it doesn't see it to be there.
[08:21] <xed> bob2: Any solutions?
[08:21] <setite> damn... opera either didnt install right or is not going to show up in the gnome menu
[08:21] <drspin> night all ;)
[08:21] <setite> how do i see if its installed
[08:22] <drspin> Opera won't show up in the Gnome Menu...
[08:22] <setite> damn opera
[08:22] <drspin> you'll have to add it manually...
[08:22] <drspin> or make a Launcher for it on the deskbar
[08:22] <drspin> g'night!
[08:22] <setite> how do i do that
[08:22] <setite> nite
[08:22] <drspin> "opera &" should launch it
[08:23] <drspin> right click on the dekbar, go to add, application launcher, custom application and fill in the boxes
[08:23] <drspin> night!
[08:24] <xed> bob2: Are you still there?
[08:24] <xed> crimsun, you there?
[08:24] <setite> yay
[08:24] <setite> google is fast
[08:25] <setite> i mean opera
[08:25] <setite> im sorry but firefox seemed slower than MSIE
[08:25] <Lin> daniels: the ln solution didn't work here :-(
[08:25] <xed> mozzilla owns.
[08:26] <crimsun> xed: ?
[08:26] <xed> crimsun..!
[08:26] <Lin> daniels: I didn't have restricted-modules package installed (I compile nvidia drivers by myself)
[08:26] <xed> I need more of your help =(
[08:26] <xed> You seem to be real good with getting things fixed..and working.
[08:26] <setite> ok help me first... itll take less time
[08:27] <setite> i cant find where to add
[08:28] <Lin> daniels: now I solved it.. GLX didn't work with composite module loaded (but worked in the past).
[08:28] <xed> crimsun, are you at work again?
[08:28] <Lin> daniels, thank you for help! :-D
[08:28] <crimsun> xed: yes.
[08:28] <xed> ah, poop.
[08:28] <xed> I need help getting my wifi card working =(
[08:30] <xed> crimsun, think you could help me out?
[08:31] <xed> bob2, I'm guessing you gave up on me?
[08:31] <crimsun> xed: I'm not familiar with wireless on Linux.
[08:31] <xed> oh man.. thats really gotta suck =(
[08:32] <xed> for me..
[08:32] <xed> Okay, then quick question crimsun...
[08:32] <xed> Say I use the ethernet connection at my uni to connect, do I need to reconfigure anything....?
[08:32] <xed> (At the moment, I'm connecting from home)
[08:33] <crimsun> xed: if you didn't hard-code anything, dhcp will configure everything for you.
[08:33] <xed> hard-code?
[08:33] <xed> You mean manually configure it?
[08:34] <xed> Hmm... yeah, its on Automatic DHCP.
[08:34] <xed> Thanks a lot crimsun, remind me to pay you within the week or something for all the help you gav eme.
[08:34] <xed> gave me*
[08:34] <xed> Anyone else here familiar with wireless card configuration?
[08:35] <roror> hi all
[08:35] <bob2> what have you changed since it las worked?
[08:35] <xed> bob2.. err..
[08:35] <xed> Yesterday I spent like 4 hours talking to crimsun getting help, but I don't think it had anything to do with the Wireless Network card.
[08:36] <bob2> you said that it once worked
[08:36] <bob2> what have you changed since then?
[08:36] <bob2> new kernel?
[08:36] <xed> well I am not certain it worked..
[08:36] <xed> Most likely.. I don't know
[08:36] <xed> Let me ask crimsun.. heh
[08:36] <bob2> moved to hoary?
[08:36] <bob2> etc.
[08:36] <crimsun> he just installed warty yesterday.
[08:37] <bob2> xed: what does 'uname -r' print out?
[08:37] <xed> bob2: It prints out '2.6.8.1-4-686-smp'
[08:37] <crimsun> from his dmesg and /proc/interrupts output that we used to get ALSA 1.0.7 working, it appears his hardware is recognised; he only needs to configure the conffiles, iwconfig, and whatnot
[08:37] <roror> i have a few questions about the ubuntu repository
[08:38] <roror> i mean the apt repository
[08:38] <roror> is it same as the general debian repository ?
[08:38] <bob2> roror: no
[08:38] <roror> or do they have a different repository?
[08:38] <bob2> and please don't mix them
[08:38] <wolfsong> any suggestions on how i can format my hard drive with only a linux boot rescue disk?
[08:38] <bob2> wolfsong: why do you want to do that?
[08:39] <bob2> xed: install linux-restricted-modules-686-smp
[08:39] <roror> so .. i can't / shouldn't use debian repository?
[08:39] <crimsun> wolfsong: if the rescue disk has cfdisk or fdisk, that's all you need
[08:39] <xed> bob2: You have to keep in mind .. I'm completely new to this
[08:39] <bob2> roror: yes. please read about the universe portion of the ubuntu repository
[08:39] <roror> i am just finding out about ubuntu/debian package repositories
[08:39] <xed> How would I go about doing this, bob2?
[08:40] <bob2> xed: you haven't installed any packages at all?
[08:40] <MyKq3> can i upgrade my ubuntu to debian
[08:40] <xed> By blindly following crimsun's instructions, I have.
[08:40] <bob2> MyKq3: you'd need to be more specific
[08:40] <wolfsong> bob2: becuase grub has hosed my system and i can no longer boot from CD
[08:41] <xed> bob2, so.. where would I begin?
[08:41] <bob2> wolfsong: grub has nothing to do with booting from cd
[08:41] <roror> ok .. is there a way i can brwose the universe repository from the web? i am at a different comp now
[08:41] <bob2> xed: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:41] <wolfsong> crimsun: how do i get to a prompt
[08:41] <crimsun> xed: just open a terminal and follow bob2's instructions: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-686-smp
[08:41] <bob2> roror: no, sorry
[08:41] <bob2> roror: what are you trying to do?
[08:41] <MyKq3> i want to make my Ubuntu to debian via apt-get for e.g.
[08:41] <bob2> roror: it has 12 000 packages in it, a list won't be useful
[08:41] <bob2> MyKq3: why?
[08:41] <xed> Gotta remember 'sudo apt-get'
[08:41] <xed> What does 'apt-get' mean?
[08:41] <MyKq3> cuse iwant to
[08:41] <roror> bob2: checking out the package availabilities .. how recent and such
[08:42] <bob2> man apt-get
[08:42] <bob2> it's Ubuntu (and Debian's) mid-level package management tool
[08:42] <xed> oh right, man..
[08:42] <xed> I remember man.
[08:42] <roror> bob2: i'd look for particular packages and see how upto date they are .. thats all
[08:42] <xed> Its doing it's thing.
[08:42] <wolfsong> bob2: so i keep hearing but to install ubuntu i booted from the CD and now after the install i can no longer do so
[08:42] <xed> Its done.
[08:42] <bob2> MyKq3: then you can twiddle your sources.list, but Debian nor Ubuntu will be able to help you when it breaks horribly
[08:42] <bob2> xed: now try 'sudo modprobe ath_hal'
[08:43] <xed> No output.
[08:43] <MyKq3> hum... thask
[08:43] <bob2> MyKq3: why do you want to do this, anyway?
[08:43] <xed> bob2: Didn't show anything
[08:43] <bob2> xed: now try whatever you were trying before that gave an error baout no devices found
[08:43] <roror> Also, i heard from ppl that ubuntu is a gentler introduction to debian .. i am just verifying how true that is
[08:43] <xed> You did that. -_-
[08:43] <xed> Or told me to do something
[08:43] <wolfsong> roror: it hasn't been for me
[08:44] <lilubu> what are peoples thoughts on using ubuntu as a base for study for LPI certification ?
[08:44] <roror> wolfsong: meaning ? do you find it hard ?
[08:44] <MyKq3> cuse i my network conf. has changed by it self and i can't find were and i can't reconfigure it ( nor on the relavent files and nor via ifcongif )
[08:44] <spikeb> eh
[08:44] <spikeb> it's like sarge, without any packages.
[08:44] <roror> so far in my experience .. ubuntu has been "easy as a pie" .. but, i am limited by how much i know of debian
[08:45] <bob2> xed: I don't know what you ran to get that error
[08:45] <xed> bob2: "sudo modprobe ath_hal" <-- That was giving me the "FATAL: Module ath_hal not found." error before I installed what you told me to.
[08:45] <bob2> lilubu: if Debian is suitable, then ubuntu will be too
[08:45] <bob2> wolfsong: I cannot imagine a way it could be involved.  you really changed *nothing* else?
[08:45] <MyKq3> bob2,  i really love Ubuntu but it some times have really strange fucks
[08:45] <bob2> MyKq3: er, how on eart
[08:45] <bob2> h could switching to Debian fix that?
[08:45] <MyKq3> oops sorrk about the (fUXXx)
[08:46] <bob2> xed: that's now what I'm refering to
[08:46] <MyKq3> i don't
[08:46] <xed> Want me to do it again?
[08:46] <MyKq3> i m aboutt o install debian
[08:46] <bob2> xed: guess I misread you earlier.  now try continuing with the howto page.
[08:46] <MyKq3> and i wonderd if i have a easyer way yo do it ,,,,
[08:46] <bob2> MyKq3: if your 'network conf. has changed by it self', then edit /etc/network/interfaces and fix it
[08:46] <MyKq3> i have
[08:46] <crimsun> wolfsong: what rescue disk are you using?
[08:46] <xed> bob2: Just to make sure that I'm reading the correct 'how to' page.. .. is the following the correct page? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto/view?searchterm=wireless
[08:46] <MyKq3> bob2,  it was okay in the 1st place
[08:47] <bob2> xed: yes.
[08:47] <MyKq3> so does /ect/network/interface
[08:47] <bob2> ?
[08:47] <bob2> what *exactly* isn't working?
[08:48] <xed> bob2: Still no wlan0 available in the Networking area...
[08:48] <crimsun> xed: dpkg -l wireless-tools|grep ^ii
[08:48] <bob2> xed: 'networking area'? you're using some gui tool?
[08:48] <MyKq3> i can't connect to my rouuter via my networkcard
[08:48] <xed> ...
[08:48] <xed> crimsun, doing so now
[08:48] <xed> bob2: was following instructions on the 'how-to' page =(
[08:49] <xed> crimsun, did what you told me.
[08:49] <bob2> crimsun: ubuntu-base Depends on that
[08:49] <MyKq3> my betworkcard just stopted one day to b connected
[08:49] <crimsun> bob2: thanks
[08:49] <crimsun> xed: have you configured your wireless router as an open network?
[08:50] <bob2> MyKq3: you need to be a lot less vague
[08:50] <crimsun> xed: (this is straight off the WiFiHowto)
[08:50] <bob2> MyKq3: paste your /etc/network/interfaces to #flood, along with the output of 'ip a' and 'ip r'
[08:50] <xed> Impossible crimsun, I don't even see that anywhere
[08:51] <crimsun> xed: the paragraph directly above the second main heading (Using Graphical User Interface Tools)
[08:51] <MyKq3> gemme a sec
[08:52] <wolfsong> crimsun: i have a debian rescue
[08:53] <MyKq3> bob2, done
[08:53] <crimsun> wolfsong: then when it boots, you should have either a busybox environment, or you should be able to press alt+F2 to activate a busybox environment
[08:53] <xed> So wait wait-- what if I want to connect to a different wireless network.. at my uni?
[08:53] <MyKq3> bob2,  i can'r ip a or r cuse i need to load ubuntu .... wich means that i need to exit windows now...
[08:53] <crimsun> xed: 'Automatic (DHCP)' takes care of that
[08:54] <crimsun> xed: just as it takes care of your wired (eth0) connection
[08:54] <wolfsong> crimsun: the first time i got a boot prompt now it boots to the hdd
[08:54] <MyKq3> which*
[08:54] <xed> Permission denied when I tried to get wlan0 up. =(
[08:55] <xed> ifup: failed to open statefile /etc/network/ifstate: Permission denied
[08:55] <bob2> MyKq3: yes
[08:55] <xed> oh wait--
[08:55] <xed> sudo
[08:55] <bob2> yes
[08:55] <xed> sudo == admin user right?
[08:56] <xed> sudo ifup wlan0
[08:56] <xed> Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0.
[08:56] <xed> What does that mean?
[08:56] <MyKq3> bob2,  what yes ....  do wantme  to load ubuntu now ?,,.,, and u will wait here in the mintime ?
[08:57] <xed> What does that mean? "Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0." ???
[08:58] <mifune> ok. another n00b question. how do i install a soundcard? yesterday i installed ubuntu but my soundcard wasnt installed automaticely
[08:58] <MyKq3> brb
[08:58] <wolfsong> crimsun: sorry it actually stops at the boot: prompt if you type something but proceeds if you don't
[08:58] <wolfsong> can you give me the command again?
[08:59] <xed> bob2, do I have to down my eth0 connection if I want to use wireless?
[09:00] <bob2> x`
[09:00] <bob2> xed: no
[09:00] <xed> Then... why does it say "Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0." ?
[09:00] <bob2> you want to use dhcp on wlan0?
[09:00] <xed> unknown interface?
[09:00] <bob2> because wlan0 isn't in /etc/network/interfaces, I'd assume
[09:00] <bob2> I have no idea what silly stuff whatever gui tool you're using does, sorry
[09:00] <xed> I'm not using a gui tool!
[09:00] <xed> I'm using the terminal.. =/
[09:01] <bob2> is it in /etc/network/interfaces?
[09:01] <bob2> does 'sudo dhclient wlan0' do anything?
[09:01] <xed> Is what in /etc/network/intefaces /
[09:01] <bob2> the wlan0 interface
[09:02] <xed> bob2: http://pastebin.com/193871
[09:02] <bob2> please use #flood
[09:02] <xed> what's... #flood?
[09:02] <bob2> a channel
[09:02] <xed> Yes, I know that much..
[09:03] <xed> I don't know if thats a smart idea..
[09:03] <bob2> a channel to paste things into
[09:03] <bob2> why?
[09:03] <xed> oh, okay then
[09:03] <bob2> also, isn't the interface called ath0?
[09:03] <xed> It SHOULD be called that
[09:03] <xed> Would you like me to visually show you what I'm talking about when I say it says 'No Wireless Devices' ?
[09:04] <bob2> no
[09:04] <bob2> what do you mean 'should'?
[09:04] <bob2> the atheros drivers create interfaces called athN, afaik
[09:04] <xed> I don't know.. but it showed ath0 yesterday in place of 'No Wireless Devices'.
[09:05] <bob2> dude
[09:05] <bob2> why are you using wlan0 anywhere then?
[09:05] <xed> at university
[09:05] <xed> Want to be able to use their Wireless Network...
[09:06] <crimsun> xed: paste your /etc/networking/interfaces in #flood
[09:06] <xed> err..
[09:06] <crimsun> /exec -o cat /etc/networking/interfaces
[09:07] <bob2> um
[09:07] <xed> Did you get it crimsun?
[09:07] <bob2> your wireless interface is called ath0
[09:07] <bob2> if/when it exists
[09:07] <bob2> run 'sudo dhclient ath0'
[09:07] <xed> When it existed.. yesterday, before I did all that stuff crimsun told me to do..or sometime during it..
[09:08] <crimsun> have you `sudo modprobe ath_pci' ?
[09:08] <xed> crimsun, just did now
[09:08] <xed> check #flood bob2
[09:09] <xed> crimsun, nothing comes up when i do 'sudo modprobe ath_pci'
[09:09] <crimsun> xed: good. Now `sudo dhclient ath0'
[09:09] <mifune> hello. how do i instal a soundblaster 16 card?
[09:10] <xed> its doing something
[09:10] <crimsun> mifune: is it a PnP sb16 or a non-PnP sb16 (very important difference)?
[09:10] <xed> on interval 12.. whatever that means.
[09:11] <mifune> i dont know.
[09:11] <crimsun> mifune: do you have the card physically in front of you (outside the box)?
[09:12] <xed> crimsun, check #flood..
[09:12] <xed> wait wait-- holy shit
[09:12] <bob2> xed: your wireless is now working, you just need to fix your AP
[09:12] <mifune> no. its in the computer.
[09:12] <xed> bob2: 2 questions
[09:12] <mifune> it was already when i installed ubuntu.
[09:12] <crimsun> mifune: lsmod|grep ^sb
[09:12] <xed> bob2: First question what is my 'AP'
[09:12] <crimsun> mifune: use #flood
[09:13] <MyKq3> bob2,  i have post the thingys u told u at foold
[09:13] <xed> bob2: Second question, how do I go about fixing my AP?
[09:13] <bob2> xed: access point
[09:13] <xed> So wait wait---
[09:13] <bob2> xed: or maybe you haven't associated with the right one
[09:14] <xed> bob2, could be.
[09:14] <bob2> what's it's name?
[09:15] <bob2> MyKq3: you have no default route for some reason
[09:16] <bob2> MyKq3: 'ip route add default via 192.168.1.1 dev eth0' should fix it
[09:16] <MyKq3> bob2,  what do u mean by that plz
[09:16] <xed> bob2: what's.. what's name?
[09:16] <bob2> MyKq3: ? it's a command to run...
[09:16] <MyKq3> okay gemme 5mins to chack it
[09:16] <MyKq3> bob2,  thanks for all your help man !!! ==)
[09:17] <MyKq3> bob2,  no  i mean what is 'default route'
[09:18] <mifune> crimsun: i know i have a 16 or 32 bit awe compatible driver installed in windoze
[09:19] <crimsun> mifune: is it a genuine sb16 or a clone?
[09:19] <mifune> probably a clone
[09:19] <bob2> MyKq3: your computer needs to know where to send packets that need to get to the internet
[09:19] <bob2> the rule that says where to send them is called the 'default route'
[09:20] <crimsun> mifune: it'd be easier if you physically inspected the card
[09:20] <mifune> arr. ok.
[09:23] <kipod> bob2,  IT WORKED LIKE A CHARM
[09:24] <Keemy> I got my live CD stuck in my floppy drive...is this a common problem  with Ubuntu?
[09:24] <bleh_> I'm on WIFI!
[09:24] <kipod> bob2,  what have i done exactly ?
[09:24] <bleh_> bob2 and crimsun.. I love you both
[09:24] <smooth-operator> anybody know how to temporarily stop samba from running?
[09:24] <bob2> Keemy: only among former gentoo users
[09:24] <kipod> bob2,  its mykq3
[09:24] <bob2> bleh_: yay
[09:24] <bleh_> bleh == xed
[09:24] <bleh_> incase you were wondering!
[09:25] <bob2> smooth-operator: sudo invoke-rc.d samba stop
[09:25] <smooth-operator> thanks bob2!
[09:25] <bob2> kipod: worked around some other problem I don't understand
[09:25] <bleh_> Duuuuudddeeee
[09:25] <Keemy> is there a default network firewall installed in Ubuntu?
[09:25] <bleh_> I LOVE UBUNTU
[09:25] <crimsun> Keemy: no
[09:25] <bleh_> It just gave me another reason to love it.
[09:25] <kipod> bob2,  =) thanks man i don't know how i can help ya man
[09:25] <kipod> =)))
[09:26] <bob2> Keemy: there's no need for a firewall on the default install
[09:26] <bleh_> normally I get disconnected from wifi if I move my laptop from up to down.. but.. right now it just..WHOA.. it just connected..it stayed connected
[09:26] <bleh_> so wait wait--
[09:26] <dissidentcitizen> hey guys do any of you know how to manually download and install the kernel headers? trying to get my winmodem up and running and its giving me a few hassles :)
[09:27] <Keemy> it won't recognize any of mt winmodems
[09:27] <Keemy> mt=my
[09:27] <bob2> most winmodems require drivers you have to pay for
[09:28] <crimsun> dissidentcitizen: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[09:28] <dissidentcitizen> hmmm, yeah I have the demo linuxant ones but it says I need to kernel headers to be installed first, which is where I've tripped up
[09:28] <nevyn> bob2: pay in a figurative sense.
[09:28] <Keemy> damn winmodems.. damn themto hell
[09:28] <bob2> nevyn: pay as in beer, I guess ;)
[09:28] <bleh_> I love this
[09:29] <dissidentcitizen> thanks crimsun, does that require a network connection to download them though?
[09:29] <bleh_> Wait wait-
[09:29] <bob2> nevyn: did you go to the falls?
[09:29] <Keemy> i'm gonna check pricewatch and ebay for cheap hardware modems
[09:29] <xed> crimsun, bob2, is there any way I can pay you guys back?
[09:29] <dissidentcitizen> yeah ordinarily I'd just buy a new one but this is in my laptop, and I'm running out of usb ports etc
[09:30] <xed> Ubuntu is making amazing use of my wifi card ...compared to Windows XP
[09:30] <Keemy> they make internal hardware modems
[09:30] <xed> Its much more stable as well..
[09:30] <bob2> xed: help someone out in future
[09:30] <xed> bob2, definitely will...
[09:30] <dissidentcitizen> really? hmmm, snap......should go look for one then
[09:30] <xed> the community here was very nice to me, I'll always remember that.
[09:31] <xed> Oh! ONE more thing
[09:31] <xed> I need something to run games..
[09:31] <xed> Someway to install game... =/
[09:31] <xed> games*
[09:31] <bob2> you mean "run windows games"?
[09:31] <xed> yeah =(
[09:31] <xed> ie Counter Strike: Source
[09:31] <bob2> www.transgaming.com
[09:31] <kipod> bob2,  how does it feels to make so many ppl so hapy in one day !!! man y gace made my day !!! thanks again (MyKq3)
[09:32] <bob2> not too expensive, but the company is a bit dodgy
[09:32] <Keemy> is 2.6 stable?
[09:32] <bob2> the kernel? stable enough for ubuntu.
[09:32] <xed> ..hmm..
[09:33] <xed> What be this xwindows thing or something?
[09:33] <Keemy> does Ubuntu give you a choice offormats?
[09:33] <xed> I have briefly heard of it.
[09:33] <xed> Google time.
[09:33] <bob2> Keemy: of what? filesystems?
[09:33] <Keemy> yes
[09:33] <bob2> xed: if you want to run windows software on x86 Ubuntu, you need wine.  if you want games, you sometimes need winex, which tramsgaming sells.
[09:34] <bob2> k	yes
[09:34] <bob2> Keemy: yes
[09:34] <bob2> kipod: hah
[09:34] <xed> Sells?
[09:34] <Keemy> what system would you recommend?
[09:34] <xed> Damnit, how much does it cost?
[09:34] <xed> Stupid question, mybad.
[09:34] <bob2> Keemy: filesystem? ext3.
[09:35] <topyli> xed: try before you buy. not everything works with wine(x)
[09:35] <xed> Another thing,
[09:35] <Keemy> someone else told me to use reisersf
[09:35] <bob2> lots of people will tell you lots of things
[09:35] <xed> How do I go about geting Flash plugin ...?
[09:35] <bob2> I don't think many people will dispute that ext3 is the safest choice
[09:35] <bob2> xed: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:36] <Keemy> xed do u have firefox
[09:36] <xed> I don't know
[09:36] <xed> I'm using Ubuntu
[09:36] <bob2> yes, you do
[09:36] <nevyn> bob2: falls?
[09:36] <xed> what bob2 said, haha
[09:36] <xed> Plus, I gotta look into this battery issue thing..
[09:36] <Se7h> "the channel that never sleeps"
[09:36] <Keemy> in firefox go to extensions and click on plugins
[09:36] <bob2> nevyn: falls festival, www.fallsfestival.com
[09:36] <xed> ubuntu uses up all 2.8GHz, when on battery power.. =(
[09:37] <nevyn> no...
[09:37] <bob2> xed: how did you install ubuntu?
[09:37] <topyli> whee! my phone and linux are friends at last
[09:37] <nevyn> xed: apt-get install cpuscald
[09:37] <nevyn> scaled
[09:37] <bob2> you should have powernowd
[09:37] <xed> Well I heard about it from a friend, and I met him at work (we work at the same place)... and he had ordered 10 CDs from Ubuntu..er 20 actually 10 live cd's and 10 install cd's.
[09:37] <nevyn> whatever.
[09:38] <nevyn> a scaling daemon
[09:38] <xed> He gave me 5 and said to give others as well.
[09:38] <Keemy> Ubuntu won't shut my computter of
[09:38] <Keemy> off
[09:39] <bob2> Keemy: 'sudo modprobe apm', tryagain
[09:39] <Keemy> oooh  thanks will try
[09:39] <xed> nevyn: what be that?
[09:41] <xed> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[09:41] <crimsun> (sudo)
[09:41] <nevyn> xed: a piece of software that scales the cpu
[09:41] <xed> scales the CPU?
[09:41] <xed> What does that mean?
[09:42] <bob2> reduces the clock speed
[09:42] <nevyn> xed: ubuntu doesn't "use up all 2.8ghz"
[09:43] <nevyn> it just doesn't have software configured to change the speed
[09:43] <Keemy> i have windows and mandrake booting in Lilo...  does Ubuntu use Lilo and will it set things up automatically in the bootloader if I triple boot
[09:43] <bob2> no, it uses grub
[09:43] <bob2> it will detect them and add them to the boot menu
[09:44] <bleh_> Sorry, wifi not stable =(
[09:44] <Keemy> should i swith my current bootloader to Grub before insrtalling ubuntu?
[09:44] <bob2> it doesn't matter
[09:44] <Keemy> ok thanks
[09:44] <bob2> ubuntu will install grub anyway
[09:45] <bleh_> nevyn, it said it couldn't find the package
[09:45] <bleh_> did you mean.. cpuscale?
[09:45] <bleh_> no.. =/
[09:45] <nevyn> powernowd is apparently the go for ubuntu
[09:45] <bleh_> powernowd?
[09:46] <Keemy> is the linux raid very good?
[09:46] <bob2> software raid? yes.
[09:46] <bob2> nevyn: cpufreqd?
[09:46] <bob2> (I think)
[09:46] <Keemy> speedwise i mean
[09:46] <nevyn> bob2: you said powernowd above.
[09:47] <bob2> nevyn: yeah, is cpufreqd the one you were thinking of?
[09:47] <toady_> hi
[09:47] <nevyn> yeah
[09:47] <Keemy> is wine on the CD?
[09:47] <toady_> who should I add in "Assigned" (or how to guess)  in the bugzilla ?
[09:48] <bob2> if yo udon't know, leave it blank
[09:48] <toady_> by the way, this is not convenient to report bugs, since if you assign the bug to nobody, you get the error "please choose a component". I had to get what was meant by "component"
[09:49] <toady_> bob2: no, it won't work
[09:49] <bob2> did you choose a component?
[09:49] <bob2> Keemy: no
[09:49] <CajunTechie> Hello everyone. I need a bit of help. Can't seem to get the liveCD to boot. It just hangs on Loading Stage1.5. Anyone see this before?
[09:49] <xed> Not the greatest wifi connection, but I do love it.
[09:49] <toady_> bob2: what it meant by "component" ?
[09:49] <xed> bob2, quick question..
[09:49] <xed> Say I'm at university, will it automatically detect the wifi there as well?
[09:50] <bob2> toady_: the box in the top right
[09:50] <bob2> xed: depends, it will associate with a network, might not be the one you want
[09:50] <bob2> xed: 'netapplet' is handy
[09:50] <Keemy> walmart has boxes for $169.. 1.8 gig processor with 128mb ram .. no modem, OS, CRRom or floppy drive tho
[09:50] <toady_> bob2: "Package" ?
[09:50] <xed> bob2, where do I get it from?
[09:50] <xed> apt-get?
[09:51] <bob2> xed: apt-get isn't a magical source of software
[09:51] <topyli> i did rm -rf /etc /var on a remote box. time to pay it a local visit :)
[09:51] <bob2> xed: it's just one way to automatically download and install software from the ubunu archive
[09:51] <bob2> toady_: probably
[09:51] <xed> bob2: Yeah, but it rules though...
[09:51] <bob2> xed: you can use apt-get, aptitude or synaptic (or whatever else)
[09:51] <toady_> bob2: well, I filled it
[09:51] <xed> How do I install a package?
[09:51] <xed> Whats the command in the terminal?
[09:51] <toady_> bob2: I'm quite used to bugzilla you know ;)
[09:52] <bob2> xed: wiki.ubuntu.com//SynapticHowto
[09:52] <bob2> xed: one way is sudo apt-get install blah
[09:52] <toady_> bob2: but still, only if the field "Assigned to" is not filled, the issue remains
[09:52] <xed> apt-get? thats onlyfrom the archives, right?
[09:52] <toady_> report a bug of the bugzilla ;)
[09:52] <bob2> xed: er, yes...
[09:53] <bob2> toady_: hah, merge it with "it's too big and slow and annoying to use"
[09:53] <toady_> bob2: actually it's not the problem. The only problem is that I cannot send any bug!
[09:53] <Keemy> too big to use.. i have that problem alot too
[09:53] <xed> bob2, I love you! =)
[09:54] <bob2> toady_: I've filed a ton of bugs and I've never manually put something in the assigned field (unless I was assigning it to me)
[09:54] <Keemy> bob is smart
[09:54] <bob2> do you have JS turned off?
[09:54] <Keemy> my computer shuts off now
[09:54] <bob2> add 'apm' to the end of /etc/modules and it will keep working
[09:54] <toady_> bob2: then I wonder why I get " You must choose a component to file this bug in. If necessary, just guess."
[09:55] <mifune> crimsun: its a creative labs soundblaster 16 pnp
[09:55] <bob2> toady_: did you choose a component?
[09:55] <xed> bob2: is there anything that can reduce the amount of resources ubuntu uses when I'm on battery power on my laptop?
[09:55] <toady_> bob2: Again, what IS a component ? a package ? if so, yes, I wrote the name of the package
[09:55] <crimsun> mifune: lsmod|grep ^sb
[09:55] <bob2> xed: 'resources'? all you care about is disk activity, screen brightness and cpu speed, afaict.
[09:56] <toady_> xed: killall -9 init
[09:56] <bob2> toady_: no
[09:56] <bob2> toady_: do not do that sort of thing, even as a joke
[09:56] <xed> killall?
[09:56] <toady_> ok, sorry
[09:56] <bob2> xed: don't run thasy
[09:56] <toady_> xed: no, forgive me
[09:56] <toady_> xed: just a stupid joke
[09:56] <xed> most likey would've worked as I've never used linux before.
[09:57] <xed> What does that command do anyways?
[09:57] <bwb> hey..
[09:57] <crimsun> no, because he wouldn't have prefaced it with sudo
[09:57] <bob2> xed: it would have locked up your computer
[09:57] <bob2> if you'd run it with sudo
[09:57] <toady_> xed: init is the main process
[09:57] <bwb> i updated to x.org from hoary... updated all x11 related version 4.3 packages to x.org's packages..
[09:57] <Keemy> do you login as sudo at the login screen only?
[09:57] <bob2> toady_: you entered a valid 'Package'?
[09:57] <toady_> xed: if you kill it, well then you have to restart your computer
[09:57] <bob2> Keemy: no
[09:57] <bwb> but now whenever I use glxgears (or any other opengl program) the screen freezes
[09:57] <bwb> any ideas?
[09:57] <bob2> Keemy: sudo has nothing to do with logging in
[09:58] <bob2> bwb: I really wouldn't recommend that
[09:58] <toady_> bob2: seems so "mftrace" is provided with the distribution
[09:58] <bwb> bob2: doing...?
[09:58] <crimsun> bwb: if you're running hoary, you need to check bugzilla
[09:58] <Keemy> ok so it's file permission stuff?
[09:58] <bwb> crimsun: only upgraded specific packages
[09:58] <bob2> toady_: the login screen tells you not to file bugs on universe packages  in bugzilla
[09:58] <bob2> Keemy: no, it lets you run programs as root after you've logged in
[09:59] <topyli> Keemy: sudo runs commands as root from a user shell
[09:59] <crimsun> bwb: what base are you running on then, warty?
[09:59] <bwb> crimsun: still running mostly warty packages
[09:59] <toady_> bob2: hum right... it's on universe
[09:59] <Keemy> ahh ok i get i
[09:59] <bwb> crimsun: yah
[09:59] <bob2> toady_: right
[09:59] <bwb> crimsun: actually I first just upgraded the server to x.org's and everything worked fine
[09:59] <Keemy> kinda like apple
[09:59] <crimsun> bwb: please check bugzilla for it
[09:59] <toady_> bob2: then I got nowhere to request this package fixed. Anyway thanks
[09:59] <bwb> crimsun: but then I decided to upgrade to x.org's libs and that's when it happened
[09:59] <bob2> very much like mac os X
[09:59] <bwb> crimsun: k, where is it at?
[10:00] <bob2> toady_: please read the bugzilla login message that tells you yo report it to the debian bts
[10:00] <crimsun> bwb: linked from the ubuntu home page, of course :)
[10:00] <bwb> heh k
[10:00] <mifune> crimsun: that command had no visuable effect
[10:00] <bleh_> man, this RULES that I have the wifi working
[10:00] <bleh_> I'm going to get slee
[10:00] <toady_> bob2: yep
[10:00] <crimsun> mifune: good
[10:00] <bleh_> sleep*
[10:00] <bleh_> I got work soon.. =(
[10:00] <mifune> and now?
[10:00] <bob2> toady_: actualy, it's on the page you're looking at now
[10:00] <crimsun> mifune: sudo modprobe snd-sb16 index=0 isapnp=1
[10:01] <xed> I'm lagging, aren't I? ._.
[10:01] <crimsun> (you don't appear to be)
[10:01] <toady_> bob2: however, I think the message written "you must choose a component to file this bug in.." must be changed
[10:01] <xed> bo2: what was the software.. you were talking about?
[10:01] <Keemy> dumb question.. what program handles internet connections?
[10:01] <toady_> bob2: because it's not clear enough
[10:02] <bob2> toady_: in what way?
[10:02] <xed> How would I know which wifi I'm connected to?
[10:02] <bob2> xed: to do what?
[10:02] <bob2> xed: netapplet?
[10:02] <xed> Thats the one
[10:02] <bob2> xed: 'dmesg' should show it in the bottom few lines
[10:02] <bob2> Keemy: how do you mean?
[10:02] <xed> ...dmesg?
[10:02] <Keemy> like kde has kppp
[10:03] <toady_> bob2: in the way I didn't know what it was really. Component can be many things
[10:03] <xed> bob2: ..I see many lines.
[10:03] <bob2> Keemy: you mean for managing ppp dialup connections in gnome?
[10:03] <xed> ....many..many lines.
[10:03] <Keemy> yes
[10:03] <bob2> xed: yes, as I said, look at the bottom few lines
[10:03] <toady_> bob2: something like "The package or component might not be provided with hoary" would be easier to guess where to problem comes from
[10:03] <crimsun> mifune: what did that command return?
[10:03] <bob2> Keemy: pppconfig in a terminal is pretty good
[10:03] <mifune> hmm. error. no such device.
[10:04] <bob2> toady_: it explains not 2 lines away that you should only file bugs on packages in 'supported'
[10:04] <xed> err.. bob2.. i don't think that really shows me the name of the wifi. =(
[10:04] <crimsun> mifune: you're positive it's "PnP"?
[10:04] <mifune> my dad was.
[10:04] <bob2> toady_: also, the word 'component' isn't on that page anywhere, it only says 'package'.
[10:04] <bob2> xed: ok then
[10:04] <toady_> no
[10:04] <crimsun> mifune: sudo modprobe snd-sb16 index=0 isapnp=0
[10:04] <toady_> bob2: I'll do a screenshot ;)
[10:04] <xed> I know I know, I'm asking very dumb questions... I'm completely new to this.. so sorry =(
[10:04] <bob2> xed: just install netapplet
[10:05] <mifune> i already thought that :P
[10:05] <xed> bob2, not available in the archives?
[10:05] <crimsun> mifune: and the result?
[10:05] <Keemy> what is initd?
[10:05] <bwb> hrm how "stable" in general is hoary?
[10:05] <bob2> xed: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto (3rd time).. enable universe.
[10:06] <xed> I suck =(
[10:06] <bob2> Keemy: you mean 'initrd'?
[10:06] <xed> sorry
[10:06] <toady_> bob2: http://pvs.berlios.de/public/Screenshot.png
[10:06] <Keemy> umm   yes
[10:06] <mifune> nothing
[10:06] <crimsun> bwb: I would say it's not unless you're comfortable debugging things
[10:06] <crimsun> mifune: just returns you to prompt?
[10:06] <bwb> crimsun: yeah hmm..
[10:06] <mifune> yeah.
[10:06] <xed> what does 'enable universe' mean, bob2?
[10:06] <bwb> crimsun: thinking it might be better if I just upgraded to hoary, and see if it still freezes
[10:06] <bwb> and then submit based on that
[10:06] <xed> I got the link.. but not sure what the enable universe means. =(
[10:07] <crimsun> mifune: please paste in #flood the output of `cat /proc/asound/cards'
[10:08] <crimsun> mifune: so it wasn't PnP after all
[10:08] <bob2> toady_: you're welcome to file a bug about that, but I'm not sure how much anything can help if people won't read the instructions
[10:08] <bob2> xed: read that page
[10:08] <xed> Yessum =(
[10:08] <bob2> please don't be like that
[10:08] <mifune> im going to slap my dad :P
[10:08] <crimsun> mifune: echo snd-sb16 | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[10:09] <xed> bob2, sorry
[10:09] <bob2> xed: the ubuntu software archive is split into several sections.  the largest is called 'universe' and contains unsupported software.  you're configuring apt (synaptic/whatever) to look for software there.
[10:09] <crimsun> mifune: then: echo "options snd-sb16 index=0 isapnp=0" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/snd-sb16
[10:09] <toady_> bob2: the only problem from me was i thought the package was in hoary
[10:09] <toady_> bob2: having a message easier to read would help
[10:09] <Keemy> it doesn't seem to pick up anything on my ISA slots
[10:10] <xed> bob2, reading page.. now looking up the word repository
[10:10] <bob2> xed: ignore it, you wont find a useful definition
[10:10] <xed> storage..I think I get it.
[10:10] <crimsun> mifune: now you can use Applications>Sound & Video>Volume Control to unmute and adjust the volume
[10:10] <e-Jah> salut/hi
[10:10] <xed> I think I get it...
[10:10] <bob2> Keemy: yes, you'll probably need to do it manually
[10:10] <xed> Like a storage of things you have to add to be able to use later.. or get .. or install?
[10:10] <crimsun> mifune: and when you reboot, your sound card will be used.
[10:10] <xed> something like that?
[10:11] <Keemy> i think i need an isa config tool
[10:11] <bob2> more or less
[10:11] <Keemy> then again.. maybe it's that those 2 modems aren't recognized
[10:11] <xed> bob2: netapplet .. what section is it under?
[10:11] <bob2> ?
[10:12] <xed> Stupid question?
[10:12] <xed> Hmm..
[10:12] <Keemy> oh well i'll figure it out
[10:12] <bob2> package section? I don't know, but you don't need to know that to install it.
[10:12] <bob2> oh, maybe if you're using synaptic
[10:12] <xed> =\
[10:12] <mifune> ok. thank you crimsun :)
[10:13] <mvo> you don't need to know a section to install a package. just search for it
[10:13] <xed> bob2: Is that question.. not clear? I don't know if I'm asking the right question..
[10:13] <xed> Nothing found
[10:13] <xed> netapplet
[10:13] <mifune> you have removed another reason to stay with windoze
[10:13] <xed> is that a 3rd party package?
[10:13] <Keemy> modem supports only 2.4 or higher kernels? huh? this iis 2.6
[10:13] <bob2> xed: no
[10:13] <bob2> xed: it's in universe
[10:13] <xed> universe?
[10:13] <bob2> oh man
[10:14] <xed> Yeah, I suck =(
[10:14] <bob2> well, good luck.  try the list if you get stuck (it's in the topic).
[10:14] <Emanuelez> hello * :)
[10:15] <Keemy> next year i decorate my christmas tree with winmodems
[10:15] <xed> haha
[10:15] <Keemy> i have 4 of em
[10:15] <xed> bob2: is 'netapplet' one of the packages?
[10:15] <xed> I really need to get a hold of this 'netapplet'
[10:16] <xed> And is the package name 'netapplet' or what?
[10:16] <bob2> yes
[10:17] <xed> I see 'net-tools' in the Networking section
[10:17] <xed> I checked in the 'Networking (Universe)' section, I see no 'netapplet'
[10:18] <Keemy> ok grub is up
[10:19] <xed> bob2, I don't see netapplet anywhere in the networking section or the communications section =(
[10:19] <bob2> ok
[10:19] <xed> Is it called 'netapplet' or something else?
[10:20] <xed> I'm guessing bob2 has given up on me.
[10:21] <bob2> no, I'm actually trying to find this out for you
[10:21] <bob2> which is hard when you keep asking the same thing over and over and triggering my nick hilight
[10:21] <xed> Oh, shit
[10:21] <xed> right, the nick thing.. mybad
[10:21] <xed> I'll shutup
[10:22] <bob2> anyway, it's not warty's universe, sorry
[10:22] <xed> oh man that sucks =(
[10:22] <xed> So.. then I have to download it from the web somewhere?
[10:23] <bob2> you can if you want
[10:23] <xed> Which I do
[10:23] <xed> but when I google for it.. ..
[10:23] <bob2> don't know if it will be easy to get working or not, or who'd you get to help you do that
[10:23] <xed> well I need the package, right?
[10:23] <bob2> no
[10:23] <xed> ...
[10:23] <xed> ooo boy..
[10:24] <xed> That can't be good...
[10:24] <bob2> huh?
[10:24] <bob2> it's just a gui thing so you don't need to use iwconfig.
[10:24] <xed> Well it needs to be a package for me to install it in linux, es/
[10:24] <xed> yes*?
[10:24] <bob2> no
[10:24] <xed> ...
[10:24] <bob2> I don't know what you're talking about now
[10:25] <xed> Nor do I. =|
[10:25] <xed> Ignore that.
[10:25] <xed> I need to download netapplet from the net, right?
[10:25] <crimsun> I'll backport it for you, xed.
[10:25] <crimsun> give me about 10-15 mins.
[10:26] <bob2> you don't need netapplet at all
[10:26] <xed> Oh boy
[10:26] <bob2> it was just a suggestion, since it's easier than iwconfig
[10:26] <xed> alright, more lack of sleep
[10:26] <xed> what is.. iwconfig?
[10:26] <bob2> man iwconfig
[10:26] <bob2> also, I believe it's mentioned in the wifihowto page
[10:26] <bob2> it configures wireless devices
[10:26] <xed> ._.
[10:27] <xed> I don't believe it.
[10:27] <xed> Is there anyway to see if there's any other signals around?
[10:27] <bob2> don't belive what?
[10:27] <xed> it shows the name right there..!
[10:27] <bob2> 'sudo iwlist scanning'
[10:27] <xed> Thats what I wanted to know the whole time..!
[10:28] <xed> HOLY shit
[10:28] <xed> thats it?!
[10:28] <bob2> yes.
[10:28] <xed> I should write this down. -_-
[10:28] <bob2> yes
[10:28] <xed> Maybe I should've asked that before all that 'netapplet' issue..
[10:28] <xed> Hmm..
[10:28] <xed> Okay one other question
[10:29] <crimsun> welp, let me know if you still want it.
[10:29] <xed> crimsun, still do. =)
[10:29] <xed> Unless it's a hassle for you..
[10:29] <xed> bob2: one more question..
[10:29] <xed> Actually there might be 2..
[10:29] <bob2> it really would be better if you just asked your questions instead of addressing me directly
[10:30] <xed> oh, right
[10:30] <xed> the nickname thing
[10:30] <xed> Sorry again.
[10:30] <bob2> no, not that.
[10:30] <xed> Yeah, I know ...just that others can help too.
[10:30] <bob2> if you just asked, you'd have your answer by now, instead of this meta-discussion
[10:31] <xed> Is there any way to connect to the other available wifi networks shown...?
[10:31] <bob2> yes
[10:31] <bob2> 'sudo iwconfig ath0 essid <blah>'
[10:31] <xed> ...
[10:31] <xed> thats it?
[10:31] <bob2> where <blah> is the essid you got from the scan (or what people todl you to use)
[10:31] <bob2> yes
[10:31] <xed> Yes, I see it.
[10:32] <xed> Sweet.. mercible *tear*..
[10:32] <xed> This makes me very happy.
[10:32] <xed> Now I have something to actually DO at work.
[10:32] <cdfbr> Hello everyone
[10:33] <cdfbr> I have a problem when i boot up Ubuntu
[10:33] <cdfbr> When Ubuntu loads up, all i get is a black screen.
[10:34] <crimsun> when in the boot process does it turn black?
[10:34] <crimsun> and what type (manufacturer & make) of computer is it?
[10:34] <cdfbr> its a compaq
[10:34] <cdfbr> when it first loads up
[10:34] <xed> cdfbr: what sort of screen?
[10:34] <cdfbr> and it tells you starting Ubuntu
[10:35] <xed> crimsun, same issue as me I believe..
[10:35] <xed> Most likely atleast =/
[10:35] <cdfbr> it goes through alot of text
[10:35] <xed> yeah, same issue as me.
[10:35] <xed> What're the odds?
[10:35] <cdfbr> and then i guess wehn its about to boot
[10:35] <cdfbr> the screen goes black
[10:35] <bwb> what is the warty-updates repository for?
[10:35] <Keemy> bootloader load?
[10:35] <xed> cdfbr: when you get the screen to type something in or whatever
[10:35] <xed> Wait wait--
[10:35] <cdfbr> i dont get any screen
[10:36] <xed> cdfbr, desktop or laptop?
[10:36] <crimsun> cdfbr: so you never see the gdm login screen with the ubuntu logo, correct?
[10:36] <cdfbr> no
[10:36] <cdfbr> i never get to that point
[10:36] <xed> its before the text you were talking about cdfbr
[10:36] <bwb> crimsun: btw I manually downgraded xlibmesa to 4.3.0 and no more freezing.. and yes I did file a bugzilla report
[10:36] <crimsun> bwb: err...
[10:37] <crimsun> bwb: what did you file?
[10:37] <cdfbr> ?
[10:37] <bwb> crimsun: Hrm prolly not as specific as I should have been, but that when those files were upgraded X freezes
[10:38] <cdfbr> Xed
[10:38] <cdfbr> what problem are you haveing
[10:38] <Keemy> mandrake did that to me cdfbr
[10:38] <crimsun> cdfbr: we need more hardware details
[10:39] <cdfbr> well im running Knoppix right now so my computer is compadable with linux
[10:39] <cdfbr> i know that
[10:39] <cdfbr> so i should have no problem hardware wise
[10:39] <crimsun> cdfbr: what compaq do you have?
[10:39] <cdfbr> unless Ubuntu is that diffrent
[10:39] <cdfbr> 1 sec
[10:39] <Keemy> ext3?
[10:39] <cdfbr> Compaq Presario 5000
[10:40] <cdfbr> but i got a geforce mx 420 pci, and a sound blaster pci 512 in it with a 3com netcard
[10:40] <cdfbr> it has 380ram
[10:40] <cdfbr> and a 866mhz p3
[10:40] <xed> cdfbr, I had a similar problem just yesterday, but I had the option to type something in before it started with the installing..
[10:41] <xed> cdfbr: try pressing ctrl+alt+F7
[10:41] <cdfbr> im done installing
[10:41] <xed> when it goes black
[10:41] <xed> ...er..nevermind
[10:41] <cdfbr> but when i boot up and it gets past the loading text screen
[10:41] <cdfbr> it goes black
[10:41] <xed> yeah, try pressing ctrl+alt+F7
[10:41] <cdfbr> Loading Console Screen*
[10:41] <xed> thats what it says?
[10:41] <cdfbr> ok so when it gets to the black screen press ctrl alt f7
[10:41] <cdfbr> or befor that
[10:41] <xed> when you press ctrl+alt+F7
[10:41] <xed> yes, press that cdfbr, see if it does anything
[10:42] <cdfbr> ok i gotta restart
[10:42] <xed> ...
[10:42] <cdfbr> ill brb
[10:42] <xed> wait wait--
[10:42] <cdfbr> k
[10:42] <xed> This is a desktop, right?
[10:42] <cdfbr> im trying to install ubuntu on this computer im on now
[10:42] <cdfbr> yeah
[10:42] <cdfbr> it is
[10:42] <xed> hmm..
[10:42] <xed> What sort of monitor are you using?
[10:42] <Keemy> my problem was that my bios was set to pnp on
[10:42] <xed> (Wouldn't happen to be a widescreen by any chance would it?)
[10:42] <cdfbr> compaq fs740
[10:43] <cdfbr> no its a flatscreen 20 inch
[10:43] <lilubu> how do you import windows fonts into ubuntu ?
[10:43] <cartman> lilubu: put them into /usr/share/fonts
[10:44] <xed> cdfbr: ...hmm..
[10:44] <cartman> lilubu: better yet create a dir like /usr/share/fonts/windows and put there
[10:44] <cdfbr> yeah thats what i say
[10:44] <xed> try what I said..
[10:44] <cdfbr> ok
[10:44] <cdfbr> ill brb
[10:44] <xed> But..
[10:44] <cdfbr> ctrl alt f7
[10:44] <xed> Thats all I can help with.
[10:44] <lilubu> cartman is that all i have to do ?
[10:44] <xed> yeah, try f1 f2 or f7
[10:44] <xed> Most likely F7
[10:44] <cdfbr> where at?
[10:44] <xed> When it goes black
[10:44] <cdfbr> at what point
[10:44] <cdfbr> ok
[10:44] <xed> Thats about all the help I can give.. =/
[10:45] <cartman> lilubu: yes
[10:45] <crimsun> lilubu: in Nautilus, Open Location: fonts:///
[10:45] <cdfbr> ill be back if its still not working
[10:45] <cdfbr> if i get it working, then thanks alot for the help
[10:45] <xed> I'm new to this too, but I had similar issues, turns out... that was it.
[10:45] <xed> cdfbr, chances are I won't be here, because I have work in a few hours and I need sleep
[10:45] <cdfbr> ok
[10:45] <xed> BUT... I'm sure you'll get help
[10:45] <cartman> lilubu: if it will re-create font cache so starting a X application will take time for _one time_
[10:45] <cartman> s/if//
[10:45] <xed> ...
[10:45] <xed> s/if//?
[10:45] <xed> *shrug*
[10:46] <xed> brb
[10:46] <crimsun> cartman: it's probably more straight-forward to tell the person to open fonts:/// in Nautilus, then drag the font(s) into that window
[10:46] <cartman> crimsun: sorry no nautilus here although I run Hoary
[10:46] <lilubu> can i restart the font server within X ?
[10:47] <cartman> so my method works everywhere ;)
[10:47] <cartman> lilubu: just run fc-cache -v
[10:47] <cartman> as root and your done
[10:47] <cartman> font cache updated
[10:47] <lilubu> thank you
[10:47] <cartman> np
[10:47] <cartman> lilubu: but also note <crimsun> lilubu: in Nautilus, Open Location: fonts:///
[10:47] <cartman> if you use Gnome
[10:47] <lilubu> yeah i did that
[10:48] <lilubu> it was easy
[10:48] <cartman> alright :)
[10:50] <andi_> hi
[10:51] <lilubu> that was fb-cache -v ?  as root ?
[10:51] <xed> bob2, .. just quick question...might be repetitious
[10:52] <xed> What was the command to connect to a different wifi, again?
[10:52] <lilubu> restarted X and got all my fonts
[10:52] <bob2> 19:31:33           bob2 | 'sudo iwconfig ath0 essid <blah>'
[10:52] <cartman> lilubu: fc-cache
[10:52] <lilubu> thanks
[10:52] <xed> Sorry about that again bob2
[10:52] <cartman> lilubu: even if you just start an X app it will auto create font cache so no need for X restart
[10:52] <xed> Just noting them down for further usage
[10:53] <lilubu> hmm maybe i just needed to restart xchat
[10:53] <cartman> lilubu: any gtk2 app would be ok
[10:54] <Keemy> PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 4 of device 0000:00.02.1... this appears in the boot process
[10:54] <xed> Shit, its 5AM
[10:54] <xed> SHIT
[10:54] <xed> Aww man this is not good. =(
[10:54] <xed> I better sleep
[10:55] <xed> bob2, crimsun: Thank you both for your help yet again...
[10:55] <xed> Appreciate it a lot.
[10:55] <xed> I'll be back here very soon .. most likely at work.
[10:55] <xed> a few hours
[10:55] <bob2> you're welcome
[10:58] <Keemy> can i tranfer the little paper clip guy to open office?
[10:59] <HrdwrBoB> if you like pain
[10:59] <Keemy> ok  myfirst install and it's working good
[11:00] <Keemy> can mandrake and ubuntu share a swap partition?
[11:01] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[11:01] <HrdwrBoB> just tell it to use the same partition
[11:01] <Keemy> ok thanks
[11:05] <lilubu> i tried to get mdk and ubuntu to share a swap partition but did not know how to config it.  i tried to manually partition and gave up and let it do the auto magic partitioning
[11:06] <dobby_> hello how can i change the window manager that if i start ubuntu it starts enlightenment and not gnome?
[11:06] <lilubu> i'm using ubuntu as a primary os now.. linux os.   they essentially work in similiar ways though this is meant to be more of a desktop.  i'm still wondering if i'll be able to run a mail server from ubuntu
[11:06] <Tomcat_> lilubu: Just install exim4 ;)
[11:07] <bob2> sure you can
[11:07] <bob2> it works great
[11:07] <Tomcat_> Ubuntu is still not the best server OS imho, but it does work as one. :)
[11:08] <lilubu> hmm exim4 is the mailer daemon ?  ok.. see -- i'm totally new for that kind of thing and have to wait a bit before i get my hands dirty with it.  started my LPI training tonight.  learning vi and all its commands.  i think they might want me to run postfix or something else i'm not sure who universal exim4 is
[11:09] <Tomcat_> exim4 is *one* mailer daemon... quite good one imho.
[11:09] <Tomcat_> But not the best according to most people.
[11:09] <lilubu> there are others i could use ?
[11:09] <Tomcat_> Sure lilubu.
[11:09] <lilubu> okies
[11:09] <lilubu> good
[11:09] <treed> sendmail, some othens
[11:09] <treed> exim4 is simple and doesn't give me problems
[11:09] <bob2> Tomcat_: in what way isn't it?
[11:10] <Tomcat_> I'm not sure how difficult the config of exim4 is... it looked difficult to me, but I never did anything special with it, so it just works.
[11:10] <Tomcat_> bob2: Not a server OS?
[11:10] <lilubu> i love simple and problem free.  i'm just not sure if my instructors will want that.
[11:10] <bob2> Tomcat_: yes
[11:10] <lilubu> perhaps its setup to be more of a workstation than server ?
[11:11] <Tomcat_> bob2: Well the default install (and there's only that) installs an X and many X apps, right? I'm not sure if I want to fill up my HD with that...
[11:11] <bob2> no
[11:11] <bob2> Tomcat_: no, you can do a custom install that doesn't install them
[11:11] <Tomcat_> Sure, it'll work as a server, but the idea that the same installation is good for a workstation or a server scares me a bit. :P
[11:11] <Tomcat_> Oh... okay. :)
[11:11] <Tomcat_> Proven wrong then. :>
[11:11] <lilubu> how do you do custom install ?
[11:12] <bob2> read the instructions when the cd boots
[11:12] <lilubu> heh ok.  mine just said press enter.. thats all i can remember
[11:13] <anoxia> i found default install cluttered, trying minimal now
[11:13] <lilubu> i like my computer loaded with anything i could ever possibly want
[11:14] <lilubu> i'm getting a dedicated box for linux so i dont have to dual boot or if i dual boot it'll be a couple of linuxes
[11:14] <lilubu> however this machine with windows residing on it is the more powerful computer
[11:16] <lilubu> its funny i used windows on nye and found that i was copy/pasting the linux way instead of windows.  i've already been assimilated.
[11:17] <anoxia> ;)
[11:19] <andi_> hello, is someone here?
[11:19] <andi_> hi kipod!
[11:20] <anoxia> hi
[11:20] <kipod> andi_,  hi
[11:23] <kipod> does some  one here knows  how can i run synptics in kde ?
[11:23] <bob2> same as you'd run any other program
[11:24] <Bodyrides> I wish i knew how to run any type of programme
[11:24] <kipod> i don't find it at the "Startmenu" and i don't remmber the cmd
[11:25] <bob2> 'sudo synaptic' from a terminal
[11:25] <anoxia> Bodyrides, 'man man' ;P
[11:25] <kipod> tkx
[11:25] <kipod> bob2,  do u remmber the cmd u gave to conf. my gateway ....
[11:26] <Bodyrides> Am i in the wrong place here?I`ve never used any form of Linux ever so i`m just looking at how to carry out basic operations.Got Ubuntu running in VPC but that`s as far as i`ve got.Where can i go for "real novice" info?
[11:27] <bob2> like what?
[11:27] <kipod> bob2, ( ip route add default via 192.168.1.1 dev eth0) i need to run it evry time i start my KDE can u plz tell me were should i put it so it will run when i bootin
[11:27] <lilubu> there is #lfd or linux for dummies.. not that your dunb.  though they are an advanced group the name implies they are there to help novices.
[11:27] <Bodyrides> like how to install an app,i can`t even do that....i know no cmds at all
[11:28] <lilubu> they tend to be a conglomeration of mdk users though many of them have used ubuntu
[11:28] <bob2> kipod: please try to use full words in here
[11:28] <bob2> Bodyrides: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto is a good start
[11:28] <Bodyrides> fantastic....cheers
[11:28] <bob2> Bodyrides: probably everything you want is already installed, tho
[11:28] <dobby_> hello how can i update my window manager. I installed enlightenment but dont see it in my windowmanager list in gdm?
[11:28] <lifeless> kipod: fix your dhcp server.
[11:29] <lilubu> i would like to enter my gateway and assign my machine a specific internal ip address.  where might i learn how to do that ?
[11:29] <Bodyrides> yeah i can see it,bit i`m determined that my whole family is going to move away from Windows,just got to figure it all out first but it`s harder than i assumed it would be.
[11:29] <kipod> lifeless,  i don't use dhcp
[11:29] <bob2> kipod: I can only assume your /etc/network/interfaces is wrong
[11:30] <lifeless> kipod: then see what bob2 suggested
[11:31] <lilubu> Bodyrides i suggest you try to be more proficient at typing unless you just woke up or something because linux is case sensitive and picky as you learn to use a terminal.  everything can matter.
[11:31] <kipod> bob2,  i have tryed to add a "gateway 192.168.1.1" to the '/etc/network/interfaces' file but for some resone when i boot two things can happen: 1. it don't eccept that 2. the file is rewirten and the getway line is removed
[11:32] <lilubu> i would not suggest using linux to get away from windows unless you are willing to apply yourself.
[11:32] <bob2> kipod: "it don't eccept that"? what do you mean?
[11:32] <kipod> bob2,  nothing happen ....it ignore the gateway
[11:32] <lifeless> bob2: with that accent, I'd say american for 'accept'
[11:33] <Bodyrides> Thanks lilibu,i work with a guy who`s fantastic with unix based systems we use at work,he`s told me the same thing.
[11:33] <kipod> hum... i m sory for my bad english
[11:34] <nevyn> is there a typing tutor in ubuntu by default?
[11:35] <lilubu> is there a utility for managing the /etc/network/interfaces ?
[11:35] <lilubu> i'm lost in the man page
[11:36] <lilubu> i'm trying to assign a static internal ip address
[11:36] <kipod> any way thanks for the help i will try to slove it out
[11:36] <BlacKnight|> hrmm
[11:36] <kipod> good day ppl =)
[11:36] <BlacKnight|> is there anything special i have to do to install lilo?
[11:36] <BlacKnight|> i'm getting this error:
[11:36] <BlacKnight|> Fatal: Empty map section
[11:37] <bob2> BlacKnight|: why are you installin lilo?
[11:37] <BlacKnight|> because i think grub is screwing up my usb pnp
[11:37] <BlacKnight|> i could be wrong *shrug*
[11:38] <bob2> I really really really really really really (ad inifinitum) doubt it is
[11:39] <BlacKnight|> well what is then?
[11:39] <BlacKnight|> it stops usb pnp working in both linux and winblows!
[11:39] <BlacKnight|> i haven't changed any bios settings since i installed ubuntu over mandrake
[11:39] <bob2> I don't know
[11:39] <bob2> have you asked on the list yet?
[11:39] <BlacKnight|> and now usb pnp has stopped in both linux and windows!
[11:39] <BlacKnight|> meh
[11:40] <lilubu> i can't mess around ewith /etc/network/interfaces without understanding because if i'm left without an internet connection i'm out of luck
[11:41] <lilubu> usb pnp is hardware independant there is nothing in grub or lilo that would change that.
[11:41] <lilubu> people add usb devices to linux and remove them as they wish all the time.
[11:42] <bob2> lilubu: you read the example file?
[11:42] <lilubu> for /etc/network/interfaces ?
[11:42] <[Bas] > nevyn, gtypist (console only) is in universe, but if you want something for the kids you can look a tuxtype (allso in universe) http://tuxtype.sourceforge.net/
[11:42] <bob2> yes
[11:42] <bob2> lilubu: mentioned at the end of man 5 interfaces
[11:43] <lilubu> i went through the whole man page.. all i know is what made sense to me was the static ip definitions but i would not know how to alter my auto etho dhcp config to that of a static gateway etc.  its gotta be simple i just dont know what alternations to change.
[11:44] <mdz> BlacKnight|: perhaps you were setting a command-line parameter before, which wasn't propagated to your new grub config
[11:44] <bob2> read the example file
[11:44] <bob2> it shows exactly how to do that
[11:44] <nevyn> [Bas] : but there's nothing like ktouch
[11:46] <BlacKnight|> mdz: for example?
[11:46] <mdz> BlacKnight|: noapic, pci=noacpi, etc.
[11:46] <BlacKnight|> hrmm
[11:46] <mdz> BlacKnight|: read your old lilo.conf (assuming you were using lilo)
[11:47] <BlacKnight|> well here's the params from my old lilo conf
[11:47] <BlacKnight|> append="quiet devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi"
[11:47] <BlacKnight|> but how does that explain why windows usb pnp doesnt worik?!?!
[11:48] <BlacKnight|> what's this Fatal: Empty map section business?
[11:50] <[Bas] > nevyn, I don't believe there is a shiny gtk program, but ktouch is in universe (but i haven't tested it though)
[11:52] <creatix> hi, i can't play my mp3 files in ubuntu. can somebody help me please?
[11:52] <creatix> how to install codecs?
[11:53] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:53] <bob2> which is in the FAQ
[11:53] <DanielC> Hi all. Will the Ubuntu LiveCD work on AMD 64 ?
[11:53] <bob2> yes
[11:53] <bob2> since amd64s can work as overpriced 32-bit machines
[11:54] <DanielC> Excellent, thank you.
[11:54] <creatix> thx bob2, i'll take a look!
[11:54] <DanielC> I'm trying to switch a friend over to Linux :-)
[11:54] <DanielC> thanks!
[11:54] <DanielC> ttfn
[11:58] <lizdeika> hehe. realy are those amd64 any good at all ? performance or smth ?
[11:58] <bob2> very very fast
[12:01] <lilubu> i tried the first example bob of network-interfaces and i got an internet connection but it caused Gnome to hang i had to restore to default and then it loaded fine
[12:01] <lilubu> bob2
[12:01] <bob2> ok?
[12:01] <lilubu> just saying got internet -- but no Gnome.  i'm out of luck.
[12:03] <bob2> ask on the list, I guess
[12:03] <BlacKnight|> do i have to run anything after editing menu.lst?
[12:04] <BlacKnight|> (with grub)
[12:06] <bwb> what is warty-updates repository for? (looked through the wiki, couldn't find)
[12:06] <bob2> it's not well defined
[12:06] <bwb> ie still experimental or?
[12:07] <bob2> no
[12:07] <BlacKnight|> so... do i?
[12:07] <BlacKnight|> or do i just edit menu.lst and reboot?
[12:08] <bob2> if it was anything, it would be grub-install
[12:12] <andi_> thx, for the faq link to play mp3's, now it works! :)
[12:19] <wiss> hello, how to install a .tgz package in ubuntu ??
[12:19] <bob2> what is it?
[12:19] <KreacH> hmmm ubuntu overclocked my system :S
[12:20] <KingNato> I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a Dell Dimension 8400, but I can't make the install CD find my HD
[12:21] <KingNato> The Live CD, OTOH, works fine, and finds it, and seems to be using the ata_piix driver for the controller, but loading that and only that in expert mode doesn't work
[12:26] <creatix> i installed now vlc with synaptic frontend, but where is the .exe ;) to start vlc? help! can't find it!
[12:34] <DaNewB> I installed Gtk-Gnutella, but upon startup, it says "RUNNING AN OLD VERSION!"
[12:34] <bob2> yeah
[12:34] <DaNewB> Is there a newer version for Ubuntu?
[12:37] <DaNewB> Because 0.93.3 cant connect to the server
[12:41] <DaNewB> Anyone here using gtk-gnutella?
[12:43] <aquarius> Will the Debian unstable package openoffice.org-gnomevfs work in Warty? It doesn't seem to be packaged for Warty *or* hoary (although I could well be looking in the wrong place).
[12:44] <goedson> Hello.
[12:45] <nde> hi
[12:45] <seb128> aquarius:
[12:46] <seb128>  *** 1.1.3-2.3ubuntu6 0
[12:46] <seb128>        1050 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[12:46] <seb128> it's in hoary
[12:47] <goedson> I've upgrade to hoary today and my system stoped working. If I remove libselinux1 it starts working again. Anyone experiencing the same?
[12:47] <funky> hi
[12:47] <funky> what dirs are "protected" when i perform an apt-get remove package ?
[12:48] <funky>  /etc and anymore ?
[12:48] <aquarius> seb128, ok, I must be having some kind of blonde moment; I can't find it in the archive at all (I've looked in pool/ for the deb, and I looked in dists/hoary/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz and couldn't find it.
[12:48] <creatix> where is the default folder with all my installed programms, im searching for vlc!
[12:49] <aquarius> creatix, /usr/bin
[12:49] <seb128> aquarius: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org-gnomevfs_1.1.3-2.3ubuntu6_i386.deb
[12:49] <topyl1> funky: apt-get remove doesn't remove configuration unless you use --purge
[12:49] <aquarius> seb128, ahaha! It's in the openoffice.org directory. Gotcha; I thought it was its own source package...
[12:49] <topyl1> funky: some packages may leave something in /var as well
[12:49] <seb128> aquarius: nop
[12:50] <funky> topyl1: do you know where can i set that ?
[12:50] <creatix> thx, aquarius! found it!
[12:50] <topyl1> funky: you mean --purge? it's just an apt-get option
[12:52] <aquarius> One more question: is there some kind of graphical tool that installs a specific deb (so that it can be the click action for deb files in Nautilus)?
[12:52] <ironwolf> is installing a new theme still borked in hoary?  I'm getting a permissions issue when the dir is 0777
[12:52] <bob2> no
[12:52] <bob2> use dpkg
[12:53] <aquarius> bob2, I know I can use dpkg from the command line...but if I associate dpkg -i with clicking deb files, I won't get any feedback on whether it worked or not. OK, cheers for the pointer, though!
[12:53] <bob2> don't associate it
[12:54] <bob2> just do it manually
[12:54] <carambol> how i upgrade to hoary?
[12:54] <bob2> you shouldn't ever have to do it, anyway
[12:54] <carambol> i have used already universe...is that a problem?
[12:54] <ironwolf> carambol: you change references in /etc/apt/sources.list to hoary instead of warty , then apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:55] <funky> topyl1: yes, i know --purgue, but i mean how to select the dirs where files stored in, wont be deleted when i'll do an apt-get remove
[12:55] <ironwolf> carambol: no universe usage isn't an issue.
[12:55] <aquarius> bob2, I agree, in theory -- but I don't want to upgrade to hoary just to give OO.o the ability to use gnomevfs, so I'm using the hoary package.
[12:55] <carambol> ironwolf: all the sorces?
[12:56] <carambol> sources
[12:56] <funky> topyl1: you got it ?
[12:56] <goedson> carambol: I would advice to mark libselinux1 to hold before upgrading. I broke my system today.
[12:56] <ironwolf> carambol: all the sources yes, change warty to hoary everywhere in that file *after you've made a backup of course*
[12:56] <topyl1> funky: ah. don't know about that. if the dir is empty after package removal, dpkg will remove it
[12:56] <ironwolf> carambol: I just updated my hoary, and aside from themes being annoying, it all seems to be working.
[12:57] <carambol> how i detect if i already have installed libselinux1?
[12:57] <topyl1> funky: if that's what you mean :)
[12:58] <carambol> ok tnx ironwolf
[12:58] <carambol> another question i have problems installing realplayer10G
[12:59] <funky> topyl1: imagine i have got X package installed and that packages stores files in /opt/etc (for example), i dont want files stored in that dir will be removed when i remove the package, must exist somewhere to configure that
[12:59] <funky> topyl1: in gentoo exits
[12:59] <carambol> in home theres a dir named RealPlayer...i want to erase it
[01:00] <carambol> i think forget to use RealPlayer10GOLD
[01:00] <SeaFORTH> Hi, just installed ubuntu on my eMac 1.25/512/80/DVDR system.  I have what I hope still on the first 40 gig partition the working remains of my OSX install.
[01:00] <carambol> in place of RealPlayer
[01:01] <SeaFORTH> anybody here running Ubuntu on Mac Hardware and have GNUstep PPC isntalled and working?
[01:01] <topyl1> funky: i see. don't know. debian installs nothing in /opt though
[01:01] <funky> topyl1: it was just an example
[01:01] <carambol> how i can erase this dir ? mkdir is not succesful
[01:01] <wiss> hi, when i do apt-get install libpthread0, i get :: Package libpthread0 is not available, but is referred to by another package. eventhought i have the universe branch enabled in the sources.list file
[01:02] <topyl1> funky: i guess only config files in /etc and files you edit manually are safe
[01:03] <SeaFORTH> anyone have a HOWTO on how to install GNUstep for PPC and Ubuntu?
[01:04] <funky> topyl1: ill see apt-howto
[01:04] <bob2> SeaFORTH: er, your architecture doesn't matter
[01:04] <topyl1> funky: yes. there's also one on dpkg internals iirc
[01:04] <bob2> SeaFORTH: just install it as you would on any other system
[01:05] <bob2> creatix: 'rm -r /path/to/whatever'
[01:06] <SeaFORTH> bob, I'm kinda new to linux and dpkg...  Can I use apt-get install gnustep gorm
[01:06] <SeaFORTH> as say, sudo
[01:06] <creatix> ?bob2
[01:06] <SeaFORTH> yes, bob2
[01:06] <bob2> creatix: ?
[01:06] <bob2> SeaFORTH: I don't know what the package name is, but yes
[01:06] <SeaFORTH> cool, thanks.
[01:07] <creatix> i found vlc, its in /usr/bin
[01:07] <creatix> but some movies in vlc have no sound :(
[01:08] <goedson> carambol: You certainly have libselinux1 installed. gdm depends on it. libselinux1 1.18 was the one that broke my system.
[01:09] <creatix> whats the name of this dvd-player x...?
[01:09] <goedson> carambol: The problem with my system may be that I'm using xfs. I'll try it with ext3 to see if it works.
[01:11] <creatix> found it, it's xine :)
[01:19] <poptones> Has anyone else noticed the web forum down?
[01:20] <creatix> ubuntuforums.org?
[01:21] <poptones> was lagging about ten minutes ago, now it's unresponsive. last front page said it only had like 60 users
[01:21] <SeaFORTH> root@emac:/home/todd # apt-get install gnustep
[01:21] <SeaFORTH> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:21] <SeaFORTH> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:22] <bob2> a) don't login as root
[01:22] <bob2> b) something else has the lock
[01:22] <bob2> you have apt or dpkg or synaptic or something running elsewhere, or they crashed
[01:22] <SeaFORTH> maybe synaptic that is running?
[01:22] <creatix> how can I kill apps? what shortcut?
[01:22] <SeaFORTH> that solved the lock problem.
[01:22] <bob2> yup
[01:23] <SeaFORTH> can I search for say gnustep* with apt-get?
[01:23] <bob2> no
[01:23] <tsw> SeaFORTH: apt-cache search gnustep
[01:23] <bob2> apt-cache search gnustep
[01:25] <SeaFORTH> are there things like meta-packages, that contain lists of all packages in a subset of package?  I'm interested in the entire GNUstep system.
[01:25] <bob2> there are, no idea if gnustep has one
[01:28] <Arnald> Anyone got a Hauppauge Nova-T card working on Ubuntu?
[01:40] <nde> creatix: ps aux |grep appname
[01:40] <nde> kill those sid
[01:40] <nde> pid
[01:40] <lypanov> um
[01:40] <lypanov> is archive.ubuntu.com down ior is there a new mirror or something?
[01:40] <nde> works for me
[01:40] <joh_> where do you reccomend installing own-compiled software?
[01:40] <joh_> what prefix
[01:41] <lypanov> nde: what ip u have?
[01:42] <lypanov> oh. nm. network is dead on the machine :/
[01:42] <lypanov> thanks nde :)
[01:42] <ahyden> prefix for own-compiled software is usually /usr/local
[01:43] <marsjays> does the ubuntu live cd have reiserfs support?
[01:43] <joh_> ahyden: thanks!
[01:43] <ahyden> np :)
[01:45] <ahyden> I'm pretty sure it has, but not the new reiserfs4
[01:46] <marsjays> ahyden: ok, thanks
[01:47] <ahyden> np
[01:48] <dud> moo
[01:49] <wiss> configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated by gnome-libs install, cant find using locate either, i am not running gnome now
[01:49] <dud> merry christmas and a not so happy new year folks
[01:49] <bob2> wiss: dude
[01:49] <bob2> pick one channel
[01:49] <ahyden> wiss: install libgnome-dev
[01:51] <pisuke> Hi. I've a problem with ubuntu. I'm trying to use dnsmasq to serve dhcp leases over eth1394 (firewire) but it's not working. Any idea?
[01:52] <wiss> bob2 .. i thought its the same ppl in both
[01:52] <bob2> wiss: no
[01:52] <bob2> do not ask Ubuntu questions in #debian
[01:58] <nevyn> hi TongMaster wassup?
[01:58] <TongMaster> just got home. In dire need of shower and shave :)
[02:03] <Mabus> seb128: ping ?
[02:03] <seb128> pong
[02:04] <Mabus> seb128: I don't know who's responsible (at ubuntu) for mono + friends, but could you take a look at https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5052 ?
[02:04] <Mabus> it has been broken for weeks
[02:04] <Mabus> (1.0.4 vs. 1.0.2)
[02:04] <seb128> mono is not supported
[02:04] <seb128> but thom and lamont was looking on it IIRC
[02:04] <Mabus> no, I know, but debian sid has updated packages, while the ubuntu archive has only updated 50% of the packages
[02:05] <Mabus> some of the packages are 1.0.4 and some are 1.0.2, so it doesn't make sense.
[02:05] <seb128> are you sure ? it was broken 2 weeks ago but works here now
[02:05] <Mabus> oh, didn't work last night - I'm at work now, so I can't check
[02:05] <Mabus> so you have mono 1.0.4 ?
[02:05] <seb128> hum, nop, doesn't work, right
[02:05] <Mabus> oh
[02:05] <seb128> I've blam and tomboy installed which work
[02:06] <seb128> but mono doesn't
[02:06] <seb128> as said before thom and lamont was looking on the build issue IIRC
[02:06] <Mabus> think you could push someone to update blam to 1.6.0 - it uses gecko in 1.6, which is a gigantic improvement.
[02:07] <Mabus> debian sid has packages, so shouldn't be too much hassle (says someone who doesn't know squat about the process ;)
[02:07] <seb128> Mabus: it has been uploaded in debian yesterday IIRC
[02:07] <seb128> just wait
[02:07] <Mabus> so it will propagate to the ubuntu archives soon ?
[02:07] <Mabus> I just figured that since the mono packages hasn't propagated in weeks, the blam package would stall as well.
[02:08] <seb128> the packages have propagated
[02:08] <seb128> they simply don't build
[02:08] <Mabus> aah
[02:08] <Mabus> sorry, I didn't know
[02:08] <seb128> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/b/blam/1.6.0-1/
[02:08] <seb128> doesn't build neither
[02:08] <seb128> but has been propagated
[02:09] <Mabus> yes, but that doesn't build because mono doesn't build, right ?
[02:09] <seb128> correct
[02:10] <Mabus> I currently use liferea for rss reading, but it's really annoying.
[02:10] <Mabus> I have to press Ctrl+N to "Read next", while Blam! uses simply 'n'.
[02:10] <seb128> blam 1.4 works here
[02:10] <Mabus> well, I guess I could force mono 1.0.2 and use blam 1.4
[02:10] <dud> hmm, my gnome panel suddenly got screwed
[02:10] <dud> just restarted my hoary system
[02:10] <Mabus> dud: do you have any mounted filesystems ?
[02:11] <dud> Mabus, just root and swap
[02:11] <Mabus> don't know then, sorry.
[02:11] <rider343> my mplayer don't work in fullscreem help
[02:12] <Mabus> dud: install bug-buddy and the gnome-panel-dbg package.
[02:12] <dud> but ill upgrade my system...
[02:12] <dud> perhaps that can fix it
[02:12] <ahyden> dud: are you running hoary?
[02:12] <seb128> Mabus: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/m/mcs/1.0.4-1/
[02:12] <seb128> dud: killall gnome-panel gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus trashapplet
[02:13] <seb128> dud: there is a lock in gnome-vfs that does that sometime
[02:13] <Mabus> seb128: seems like the mono-assemblies-base package causes the trouble ?
[02:13] <seb128> there is a cyclic build-dep or something like that IIRC
[02:13] <Mabus> seb128: ah, I wanted you to know; the gnome-panel recent entries menu (know what I mean?) causes crashes if it has entries that can't be reached.
[02:14] <seb128> lamont was working on it before the holidays IIRC, wait a few days we will sort that
[02:14] <seb128> when you click on the entry ?
[02:14] <Mabus> no, on startup
[02:14] <Mabus> so it crashes over and over again
[02:14] <seb128> the ~/.recently-used crashes the panel ?
[02:14] <Mabus> yes
[02:14] <Mabus> delete it, and it works fine
[02:14] <seb128> could you put it in a bug report ?
[02:15] <Mabus> I did, with the bug-buddy
[02:15] <Mabus> I can't find the bug# now, though
[02:15] <seb128> hum
[02:15] <seb128> be careful
[02:15] <Mabus> and I have deleted the .recently-used file in any case :/
[02:15] <seb128> bug buddy use the local smtp to send mails
[02:15] <dud> seb128, wonderful, that did it
[02:15] <Mabus> yes, I know :/
[02:15] <seb128> which is not configured to send mails outside
[02:15] <Mabus> that is most likely the problem
[02:15] <seb128> no perhaps the mail is stucked in your system
[02:15] <Mabus> probably
[02:16] <Mabus> seb128: but it has been doing that "forever". It's not a recent change.
[02:16] <seb128> yeah, there is some bugs about it
[02:16] <Mabus> so someone should really evaluate the recent entries code, because it most likely has some very obvious bugs.
[02:16] <seb128> but that's not because the entry is pointing to a non-existant location
[02:17] <seb128> and having a crashing one could help to find the bug
[02:17] <Mabus> I'll see when it crashes again
[02:17] <Mabus> (and it will)
[02:18] <seb128> ok
[02:19] <dud> hey, i dont suppose anyone have experience in burning dvd movies?
[02:19] <dud> it seems that the AUDIO_TS directory, should be empty...
[02:19] <seb128> not me
[02:19] <dud> the audio is embedded in the vob files is it?
[02:19] <fabbione> indeed
[02:20] <kent> im running an upgrade from warty to ubuntu now,  hopefully it will work. ;)
[02:20] <fabbione> there is no AUDIO_TS
[02:20] <cartman> are there any lilo bmps for ubuntu?
[02:22] <dud> fabbione, k3b says there is
[02:22] <dud> but alas, im burning now
[02:22] <fabbione> i don't use k3b
[02:22] <dud> stuffed all the vobs and ifo and bup files in the VIDEO_TS dir
[02:22] <rcaskey> hey all, my disk is bailing on fsck (which is really annoying because I have to reboot using the livecd as the keyboard is usb and isn't detected)
[02:23] <rcaskey> its complaining about a bad superblock but fdisking the partition from the livecd seems to work fine
[02:23] <jerkface> does warty have xorg in it?
[02:23] <rcaskey> jerk: no, hoary does
[02:23] <jerkface> yeah but can you install it after the initial install?
[02:23] <jerkface> with apt
[02:24] <rcaskey> no, that would make your system hoary not warty anymore
[02:26] <Mabus> seb128: thanks for your time, and please pester lamont for me ;P
[02:28] <seb128> Mabus: ok, no problem :)
[02:30] <jono> will ubuntu run on a g5?
[02:31] <BrianB04> Morning all
[02:31] <dud> im wondering.... if i change my locale settings from norwegian to english... will magic happen, or will the wrath of gods unleech
[02:34] <sbdot> anyone here played around with the livecd?
[02:35] <jono> I have
[02:35] <dud> eg, would everything magically turn into english, or would everything crash?
[02:36] <dud> has anyone tried changing locale with a well used hoary setup?
[02:36] <sbdot> how is the device support?  i have a usb drive and an older audio chip that neither the morphix (old release) or gnoppix liveCDs could detect
[02:36] <carlos> dud: only new launched applications will execute in english
[02:36] <dud> in theory, its supposed to be fine, but in practise...
[02:37] <sbdot> and which gui does the ubuntu livecd use, kde ir gnome?
[02:37] <jono> sbdot, the concensus seems to be that the live cd is not that good
[02:37] <dud> it uses gnome
[02:37] <jono> sbdot, it is not as useful as warty itself
[02:38] <dud> hmm, k3b as a kde app wont be able to lock out the screensaver i suppose
[02:38] <dud> wishing for too much heh
[02:38] <jono> is hoary intended for release with a g5 version?
[02:39] <rcaskey> okay, /dev/sda2 is not found at startup but is after boot
[02:39] <rcaskey> hrmm
[02:39] <dud> i believe hoary will have full ppc support yes
[02:40] <jono> dud, but will it have g5 support?
[02:40] <dud> g5 being a power pc
[02:42] <sbdot> jono - what's wrong with the livecd
[02:43] <jono> sbdot - various people have reported problems with it
[02:43] <rcaskey> ok, so the install cd uses one set of device names and the default install another, correct?
[02:43] <nde> 'live-cd works for me
[02:43] <jono> dud, not exactly, g5 is different to g4 and g3
[02:43] <nde> on several machines
[02:44] <rcaskey> /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0 on the livecd and /dev/sdb in warty
[02:44] <rcaskey> (err install cd not livecd)
[02:47] <BockBilbo> hello
[02:47] <BockBilbo> anyone can tell me about a good ftp server on the net?
[02:47] <BockBilbo> *free ftp server
[02:48] <nevyn> ?
[02:48] <nevyn> ftp.planetmirror.com
[02:48] <stuNNed> vsftpd or glftpd or proftpd?
[02:48] <BockBilbo> just a server to upload some files
[02:48] <nevyn> sigh what's everyone's obcession with FTP?
[02:49] <fLoW> i'm using ubuntu for a few days but i have a problem getting my music to work.. everything should be configured nicely since i let ubuntu do that, he finds my soundblaster live card, he is installed properly, in alsamixer he also shows the sb live card, my onboardcard has always been switched of in bios, ... but i can't get any sound out of my system
[02:49] <sbdot> it's been around forever and it works? other than that, nothing
[02:50] <BockBilbo> sbdot, lol
[02:50] <BockBilbo> :)
[02:50] <nde> checked if all mute's are off /
[02:50] <nde> ?
[02:50] <fLoW> yep:)
[02:50] <fLoW> and my user is in the audio group
[02:51] <nde> hmm
[02:51] <nde> the mute thing fixed it for me ;)
[02:51] <fLoW> lolz
[02:51] <BockBilbo> stuNNed, those are server programs.. i just need a url of a free server, not to install, but to create an user account and log in
[02:51] <nde> is there such a thing as free ftp servers  ?:)
[02:52] <BockBilbo> lol
[02:52] <BockBilbo> :S
[02:52] <nde> why not setup ur own
[02:52] <creatix> BockBilbo, if u can speak german, get an account at arcor.de, its a very good space
[02:52] <fLoW> i've searched for hours last time with a gentoo installation, couldn't find anything wrong... then i saw my onboard sound was still on
[02:52] <sbdot> does the live CD (or the regular install CD come with the opl3sa2 driver (alsa or oss)
[02:52] <fLoW> asla is installed :)
[02:52] <BockBilbo> cause my pc is not always online, and i would need it to be online all the tme
[02:52] <fLoW> alsa is installed
[02:53] <nde> get a gmail account ;)
[02:53] <nevyn> nde: if there are I'd hate to be the prat running it.
[02:53] <BockBilbo> creatix, i dont speak german
[02:53] <BockBilbo> :(
[02:53] <nde> nevyn: :P
[02:53] <sbdot> brb
[02:55] <fLoW> is there anyone who has another id? :)
[03:03] <creatix> how does this thing with synaptic works! i find there apps like aMule p2p filesharing programms! are this files all on mirrors who belong to ubuntu, or do i download from the space of aMule developers?
[03:04] <nde> any repos. u have in ur /etc/apt/source.list.
[03:05] <creatix> but who pays all the traffic going under  apt / synaptic?
[03:06] <nde> good question :)
[03:06] <kent> creatix, synaptic downloads from the sites mentioned in synaptics configuretionfile. As default it downloads from Ubuntus main archive, so the program you see are from the Ubuntu's server.
[03:08] <creatix> synaptic / apt is a big black hole for me :), everything works without compiling the programs myself! i have no idea from the bash!
[03:09] <dud> my trash applet isnt working heh
[03:09] <dud> prolly why my gnome-panel wont load on startup
[03:09] <vegai> why should you be required to compile anything...?
[03:11] <jean_p> hi all
[03:11] <jean_p> i need help for firefox and ubuntu....
[03:12] <dud> can i somehow disable the trash feature of gnome/nautilus?
[03:12] <creatix> i tried to downloas some apps (tar.gz..) all these programms have to be "compiled" tu use them, but i have no idea from the bash, with apt everything works fine!
[03:13] <creatix> ^ @ vegai
[03:13] <creatix> < n00b
[03:14] <vegai> oh
[03:14] <vegai> ok
[03:14] <jean_p> do i have to do something to get some help?
[03:14] <dud> hrm, whats that 'dpkg-reconfigure locale' similar command to run to change your language
[03:15] <dud> locales
[03:15] <xevil> jean_p a discription of youe problem would be helpful
[03:15] <xevil> your even
[03:15] <Frossi> jean_p, if u need help just tell ur problem, if someone will reply...hopefully
[03:16] <jean_p> ok... just to know what i had to do...so, I just installed ubuntu, but downloads from firefox did not start from some sites (java for example)
[03:17] <jean_p> so i downloaded firefox 1.0 and followed the instructions
[03:17] <jean_p> on the wiki
[03:17] <SeaFORTH> wondering, now that I have gnustep installed, how to restart to wmaker?
[03:18] <jean_p> but i can not creake links to the new firefox using ln in /usr/bin
[03:19] <jean_p> so i have those 2 problems. Can not create links and can not download java 1.5
[03:19] <Frossi> http://ubuntuguide.org/ there is guide howto make java work
[03:21] <jean_p> i know... but the problem is about firefox
[03:21] <abelli> hi there does someone of you know how to configure a usb modem pppoe?
[03:22] <ogra> jean_p: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java follow method 0
[03:22] <ogra> jean_p: here is a firefox backport for warty: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[03:23] <dud> clever... a nice mixture of english, danish, swedish, and norwegian
[03:23] <ArCHoNKoG> lol
[03:23] <abelli> ogra: can you help me?
[03:23] <dud> i guess dpkg-reconfigure locales didnt work very well
[03:24] <ogra> abelli: tried pppoeconf ?
[03:24] <dud> ill just revert back to norwegian... at least  ~80% were norwegian then
[03:30] <maldito> Does anyone here have any experience getting sound working in Ubuntu?
[03:30] <nde> jean_p : might be easier to use the backports to install firefox 1.0
[03:31] <jean_p> what are backports?
[03:32] <neuro_> http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?query=backport
[03:32] <robertj> newer software on the testing distribution that is made available unofficially for usage on the older distribution
[03:32] <jean_p> how i do it?
[03:32] <ogra> jean_p: it is described on the backports site that is linked from the wiki url i gave you
[03:32] <nde> add deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe to ur /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:32] <nde> and then sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to install the backports
[03:33] <nde> works like a charm
[03:33] <jean_p> right...i'll try
[03:33] <robertj> anyone here made the move to polypaudio?
[03:33] <ogra> jean_p: afterwards install the java package as described in the java wiki....it will setup everything automatically for you
[03:34] <felixdz> hello
[03:34] <jean_p> and waht about problems in downloading files from firefox? anybody experienced it?
[03:34] <nde> no
[03:34] <ogra> jean_p: what kind of files
[03:34] <felixdz> I am having trouble with gnomemeeting. Can't get sound or my webcam working
[03:35] <jean_p> bin....
[03:35] <jean_p> large around 100 MB
[03:35] <felixdz> lsusb = Bus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:0870 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Express
[03:35] <ogra> jean_p: hmm, nope.... no problems here.....whats the error =
[03:35] <ogra> ?
[03:36] <felixdz> lspci -v = 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[03:37] <felixdz> So it seems to detect all the hardware but when I run the setup...
[03:37] <felixdz> nothing
[03:37] <ogra> felixdz: is sound working elsewhere ?
[03:40] <occy> ogra: can you check #flood?
[03:47] <Rene_S> Morning, Afternoon, and Good Evening
[03:48] <davmor2> I have a new 64 system ubuntu runs fine till I try putting on the glx drivers for nvidia can anyone help please
[03:48] <dud> anyone have any ideas on how id go about converting from mpeg1 to mpeg2?
[03:49] <Rene_S> I got a 32 Bit System that does the same thing, odd eh
[03:49] <dud> or mpeg4 to mpeg2
[03:49] <dud> mpeg2 being the normal dvd quality movie...
[03:49] <davmor2> dud use Transcode damn good forum and manual for it
[03:50] <davmor2> dud you can get graphical front ends for it too
[03:50] <davmor2> I have a new 64 system ubuntu runs fine till I try putting on the glx drivers for nvidia can anyone help please
[03:52] <goek> hey! how do i get a c compiler in ubuntu live _
[03:52] <goek> ?
[03:52] <dud> davmor2, ill have a look, thanks
[03:53] <goek> i need to compile gtkpod to be able to move music onto my ipod... so i can install ubuntu on my comp afterwards...
[03:54] <maldito> Does anyone here have any experience getting sound working in Ubuntu?
[03:54] <paulproteus> goek: You'd be better-off using the Knoppix live CD, which has a much wider set of tools.
[03:54] <paulproteus> maldito: Yes, it worked. ;)
[03:54] <maldito> lmao
[03:54] <paulproteus> Seriously, if you want help, go ahead and tell the channel your sound card.
[03:55] <maldito> This is the lspci line for the card: 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[03:55] <Rene_S> ah, no glx in nvidia hehe, interesting way to make a driver
[03:55] <maldito> I don't have a /dev/dsp
[03:55] <goek> paulproteus, hmm... now i finally found out that ubuntu live can access my ipod...
[03:55] <paulproteus> goek: How's that?
[03:56] <dud> maldito, running alsaconf should work
[03:56] <dud> but basically snd_intel8x0 is the central driver module
[03:56] <goek> well in my current dist... archlinux... i can't access it... why i don't know...
[03:56] <dud> for that card most likely....
[03:56] <maldito> dud, I don't have alsaconf on the system.
[03:57] <maldito> dud, I am a fedora convert, at least I am trying to be.
[03:57] <paulproteus> maldito: You may need to use sudo to run it.
[03:57] <dud> snd, snd_intel8x0, snd_ac97_codec
[03:57] <maldito> paulprotues, I have a root shell open and I don't have it.
[03:57] <paulproteus> maldito: Do you know about sudo?
[03:57] <dud> would be a very minimum of modules i guess maldito
[03:58] <dud> i have the same card
[03:58] <dud> but you really should use alsaconf
[03:58] <dud> or something similar
[03:58] <maldito> paulprotues, yes.
[03:58] <maldito> what packages is alsaconf in?
[03:58] <maldito> package*
[03:59] <dud> its its own package isnt it?
[03:59] <dud> alsa-base
[03:59] <dud> and alsa-utils
[03:59] <paulproteus> I don't seem to have it either.
[03:59] <maldito> I have both
[04:01] <maldito> any thoughts?
[04:02] <paulproteus> A few questions:
[04:02] <paulproteus> Do you have a /dev/snd/ directory?
[04:02] <paulproteus> Have you tried to modprobe the modules that the above guy recommended?
[04:03] <maldito> The modules are loaded.
[04:03] <maldito> I do have /dev/snd
[04:03] <goek> argh.. isn't there any way to get a c compiler in ubuntu live _
[04:03] <goek> ?
[04:03] <paulproteus> maldito: And is snd-pcm-oss also loaded?
[04:03] <maldito> controlC0  timer are the contents of /dev/snd
[04:03] <paulproteus> goek: It'll be hard.  It's often hard to modify live CDs.
[04:03] <maldito> no
[04:04] <maldito> let me load it.
[04:04] <paulproteus> Okay.  That's the OSS PCM device emulation module.
[04:05] <maldito> I loaded it.
[04:05] <maldito> still doesn't think there is a device.
[04:05] <maldito> I tried using alsamixer
[04:05] <paulproteus> Is snd-pcm loaded, by the way?  That's needed for PCM at all.
[04:05] <paulproteus> (But this is all very silly.)
[04:06] <maldito> yes
[04:06] <maldito> lsmod | grep snd
[04:06] <maldito> snd_pcm_oss            48168  0
[04:06] <maldito> snd_mixer_oss          16640  1 snd_pcm_oss
[04:06] <maldito> snd_intel8x0m          18632  0
[04:06] <maldito> snd_intel8x0           33068  0
[04:06] <maldito> snd_ac97_codec         59268  2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0
[04:06] <maldito> snd_pcm                85540  3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0
[04:06] <maldito> snd_timer              23172  1 snd_pcm
[04:06] <maldito> snd_page_alloc         11144  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
[04:06] <maldito> gameport                4736  1 snd_intel8x0
[04:06] <maldito> snd_mpu401_uart         7296  1 snd_intel8x0
[04:06] <maldito> snd_rawmidi            23232  1 snd_mpu401_uart
[04:06] <maldito> snd_seq_device          7944  1 snd_rawmidi
[04:07] <maldito> snd                    50660  10 snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[04:07] <maldito> soundcore               9824  1 snd
[04:07] <paulproteus> Can you /join #flood with me and paste dmesg in there?
[04:07] <maldito> sure.
[04:09] <ogra> maldito: put snd_intel8x0m in /etc/hotplug/balcklist it blocks your sounddevice
[04:10] <maldito> ogra, ok. one sec
[04:10] <paulproteus> You'll probably want to rmmod it.
[04:10] <davmor2> I have a new 64 system ubuntu runs fine till I try putting on the glx drivers for nvidia can anyone help please
[04:10] <ogra> it is a softmodem module that gets loaded falsely if you got a i810 based soundcard or such a modem....
[04:11] <davmor2> bob2 are you about
[04:12] <goek> hmm... i've just installed GCC ,,, isn't that a C Compiler _
[04:12] <goek> ?
[04:12] <nde> yes
[04:12] <maldito> just made the change and rmmod'ed the module.
[04:13] <maldito> should I MAKEDEV audio?
[04:13] <bretzel> Hi there, I can't recall what to do after apt-get nvidia-glx : XFree86-4 isn't updated ( still driver= "nv" instead of nvidia ) and of course other stuff such copy modules into /etc/udev etc ...
[04:13] <ogra> maldito: you probably have to unload _all_ soundmodules to make it work (reboot is faster here)
[04:13] <maldito> ogra, lol, k.  bbiab
[04:14] <zerok> hi :-)
[04:14] <ogra> maldito: MAKEDEV on ubuntu is nonsense.... there is udev in use, so makedev wont work
[04:14] <ogra> ah
[04:14] <ogra> gone already.....
[04:15] <nde> heh, i just noticed, i have no /dev/snd :P
[04:15] <davmor2> bretzel go to http://ubuntuguide.org/
[04:15] <nde> but i dont have any boxes on the machine too, so i really dont need sound :P
[04:16] <davmor2> Bretzel half way down installing nvidia glx
[04:16] <ogra> bretzel: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:16] <davmor2>  I have a new 64 system ubuntu runs fine till I try putting on the glx drivers for nvidia can anyone help please
[04:16] <ogra> bretzel: and rather use the wikipage for that
[04:17] <IBOIC> hi
[04:17] <ogra> bretzel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:17] <davmor2> ogra are you on 64 bit or was it someone else
[04:17] <IBOIC> whats new with ubuntu ?
[04:17] <IBOIC> :)
[04:17] <restrex> In the beginning there was darkness, and God say: apt-get install light !
[04:17] <restrex> ? :D
[04:17] <ogra> davmor2: bretzel asked for the second command to enable glx....
[04:18] <IBOIC> restrex prolly
[04:18] <ogra> restrex: it think he just said: apt-get moo
[04:18] <restrex> ojojoj
[04:18] <restrex> :D
[04:19] <bretzel> thanks ogra (? excuse if misstyped fonts too small in the window:-) )
[04:19] <restrex>  moo  prolly ? sorry :( what that mean?
[04:19] <ogra> davmor2: unfortunately i still have to wait a week till my amd64 laptop arrives here :-D
[04:19] <davmor2> ogra no I was asking you if you are on 64bit when ever I install the glx on mine it goes as far as the login page says it can't startx and goes back to the login page
[04:20] <IBOIC> the power of ubuntu
[04:20] <maldito> back.
[04:20] <nde> bbl
[04:20] <maldito> ecce potestas ubuntu.
[04:20] <maldito> ogra, still no luck.
[04:20] <ogra> davmor2: warty or hoary ?
[04:20] <bretzel> And by the way, I have messeup XWindow : tried hoary with KDE3.3 and Xorg has been installed so it is actually conflicting with XFree86-4.3 duh! gdm starts two twice at boot time and I must disable X and startx work ok then...
[04:21] <davmor2> warty not experienced enough yet to risk hoary tried and died
[04:21] <ogra> davmor2: hmm, should work then
[04:22] <bretzel> Also It is a pain that Kdelibs4 is missing in hoary-kde3.3
[04:22] <davmor2> that's what I thought worked fine on 32bit
[04:22] <Riddell> bretzel: kdelibs4 is not missing
[04:23] <felixdz> hello. Back again.
[04:23] <felixdz> Having problems getting gnome meeting to work.
[04:23] <bretzel> Hiddel: ?? Why it can't be installed in the tree tries I did ?
[04:23] <scizzo> felixdz: what is the problem?
[04:23] <ogra> maldito: hmm....are you sure the snd-i810m module isnt loaded anymore ? (check with: lsmod|grep snd
[04:23] <maldito> yep, I checked.
[04:24] <felixdz> lsusb and lspci correctly show my webcam and my soundcard
[04:24] <maldito> snd_pcm_oss            48168  0
[04:24] <maldito> snd_mixer_oss          16640  1 snd_pcm_oss
[04:24] <maldito> snd_intel8x0           33068  0
[04:24] <maldito> snd_ac97_codec         59268  1 snd_intel8x0
[04:24] <maldito> gameport                4736  1 snd_intel8x0
[04:24] <felixdz> when I run the wizard it doesn't work though
[04:24] <maldito> snd_mpu401_uart         7296  1 snd_intel8x0
[04:24] <ogra> maldito: what kind of laptop is this ?
[04:24] <maldito> snd_rawmidi            23232  1 snd_mpu401_uart
[04:24] <maldito> snd_seq_device          7944  1 snd_rawmidi
[04:24] <maldito> snd_pcm                85540  2 snd_pcm_oss,snd_intel8x0
[04:24] <maldito> snd_page_alloc         11144  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
[04:24] <neuro_> floodtastic
[04:24] <maldito> snd_timer              23172  1 snd_pcm
[04:24] <maldito> snd                    50660  9 snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[04:24] <bretzel> felixdz: My son 's name is Felix :-)
[04:24] <maldito> soundcore               9824  1 snd
[04:24] <maldito> dell latitude c640
[04:24] <ogra> maldito: please dont folld here
[04:24] <ogra> flood even
[04:24] <maldito> sorry about the cut n' paste job.
[04:25] <ogra> snd_intel8x0m isnt loaded anymore...looks good so far...
[04:25] <felixdz> bretzel I actually took the nick from a scifi novel The Star Fraction
[04:25] <bretzel> felixdz: ah cool :-)
[04:26] <felixdz> There is a Security Company in the book called the Felix Dzerzhinsky Workers Defence Collective
[04:26] <scizzo> felixdz: well...what is the problem with gnomemeeting then?
[04:26] <afonit> hey guy's, I can't boot into my linux, so am now running off of the live cd, how do I browse the filesystem on the HD?
[04:26] <felixdz> He founded the KGB
[04:26] <scizzo> felixdz: you have only said that your lspci and so on is showing everything correct
[04:26] <felixdz> Anyway back to gnomemeeting
[04:26] <felixdz> Thats as far as I get. I am running the wizard now...
[04:27] <afonit> does anyone know how to browse the filesystem on the hard drive, when you are running a live CD?
[04:27] <bretzel> Riddell: Di you know why Kdelibs4 always fails to install then ?? I have no clue...:-(
[04:28] <felixdz> Please choose the audio device...Intel 82801DB-ICH4
[04:28] <maldito> /proc/asound/oss/devices is empty.
[04:28] <Frossi> how can I set permission to folder and to all the files in it?
[04:28] <ogra> maldito: there are some hints here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[04:28] <felixdz> Input same...test settings...
[04:29] <maldito> ogra: k, gonna give it a read.
[04:29] <kezz> frossi use chmod -R
[04:29] <felixdz> I get no playback
[04:29] <ogra> maldito: you probably have to issue a kernel command like pci=noacpi
[04:30] <scizzo> felixdz: well....you should be using 4 different devices
[04:31] <scizzo> felixdz: its a dirrence between recording and output of music
[04:31] <afonit> where do you find the hard drive on the file system, as in the moutn point
[04:31] <scizzo> felixdz: sound even
[04:31] <maldito> ogra: thanks, gonna make some changes. bbiab.
[04:31] <evarlast> afonit: type "mount"
[04:31] <afonit> everlast: ok, I am running on the live cd to recover data from my HD
[04:31] <felixdz> 4 different devices. The wizard only asks for two.
[04:32] <scizzo> two I mean
[04:32] <scizzo> sorry...
[04:32] <scizzo> but those should be different
[04:32] <felixdz> Ah
[04:36] <felixdz> Whats a DMIX plugin?
[04:36] <siretart> you mean the direct mixing plugin for alsa?
[04:36] <joh> Anyone else noticed that mono is broken in hoary?
[04:36] <kipod> in gnome i have a file named .gnomerc were i can put all the commands that i want gnome at startup, does KDE have simelar file ?
[04:37] <kent> hi
[04:37] <maldito> Woo hoo!
[04:37] <felixdz> That s probably it. Should that be the output device in gnomemeeting?
[04:37] <Riddell> kipod: there is the ~/.kde/Autostart/ directory into which you can put .desktop type files
[04:38] <kipod> felixdz,  here r some guildes that would help ya to set dmix http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[04:38] <maldito> Thank you everyone for your help.  Kudos to Ogra for the final piece.  My sound is now working.
[04:39] <kipod> Riddell,  i want to run a comand .... just a comand like xcompmgr -c &
[04:39] <kent> when i upgraded to Hoary my mouse started to behave bad. Its hard to explain, but it stops working time to time, etc.
[04:40] <kent> is that a known problem?
[04:43] <Riddell> kipod: make a script with the commands in, go to /home/me/.kde/Autostart/ in Konqueror and do right click->Create New->Link to Application
[04:43] <Riddell> there should really be a GUI for that
[04:44] <kipod> but its not an application
[04:44] <Riddell> yes it is
[04:44] <kipod> nm
[04:44] <ogra> Riddell: write one ;) (i'll port it to gtk)
[04:46] <felixdz> I can now hear myself in the microphone but I am getting no playback
[04:47] <dud> the files that apt downloads
[04:47] <scizzo> felixdz: playback?
[04:47] <dud> in the /var stuff, are they cleared regularly?
[04:47] <ogra> dud: nope....
[04:48] <ogra> dud: not by default (to save you from redundant downloads)
[04:48] <dud> right, can they safely be removed?
[04:48] <ogra> dud: you can set up synaptic to delete them after installation
[04:48] <ogra> dud: or just run: sudo apt-get clean
[04:49] <felixdz> scizzo in the first time wizard you say testing 1,2,3 then it plays back to you after a 4 second delay.
[04:49] <dud> i use apt-get usually, not much of a fan of gui, when i can use cli
[04:49] <dud> right, goodie
[04:49] <scizzo> felixdz: yes...
[04:50] <bur[n] er> anyone use the prism3 driver?
[04:53] <davmor2> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): Operation not permitted just got this trying to install the nvidia glx again
[04:53] <creatix> how can shoot down (kill) applications, with ubuntu, in windows i just press ctrl+alt+del, how can i do that with linux?
[04:53] <ogra> davmor2: did you miss sudo ?
[04:54] <davmor2> could be
[04:54] <lilubu> i heard there were issues with ati and athlon 64 cpus
[04:54] <GFXstyLER> hi
[04:54] <paulproteus> creatix: Try Applications -> System Tools -> System Monitor
[04:54] <GFXstyLER> my ubuntu wont boot up
[04:54] <ogra> lilubu: there are issues with ati and all arches ;)
[04:54] <mjr> creatix, hmh, when you click the cross on the window corner and it doesn't close, you should be asked if you want to kill it?
[04:54] <paulproteus> creatix: Or try reading about xkill
[04:54] <davmor2> ati have no driver this is nvidia who have
[04:55] <GFXstyLER> after "Booting Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.8.1-4-386" blaba it does nothing
[04:55] <ogra> lilubu: they are a bit slow if it comes to new linux drivers..... xorg still isnt supported afaik
[04:55] <GFXstyLER> any suggestions?
[04:55] <mjr> creatix, and anyway, there's the system monitor or something in the menus
[04:55] <mjr> from where processes can be controlled
[04:55] <afonit> when I am running a live cd, how do I browse files on the Hard Drive?
[04:56] <creatix> jep, i found the system monitor, thx, it looks like the task manager
[04:56] <kezz> afonit, you'll probably have to mount it
[04:56] <creatix> :)
[04:56] <afonit> kezz: ic, I will research that then
[04:56] <kezz> well try
[04:56] <kezz> mkdir /mnt/windows
[04:56] <kezz> mount /dev/hda1
[04:56] <ogra> creatix: there is a bug open with a discussion to tie it to ctrl-alt-del btw
[04:56] <kezz> mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[04:57] <kezz> to mount the first partition of the first disk
[04:57] <ogra> creatix: so with some luck you can use it in hoary this way......
[04:57] <evarlast> buy the book "knoppix hacks" and just apply it to the ubuntu live cd.
[04:58] <ogra> evarlast: that would be a bit more complicated.....ubuntu uses morphix.......which already is a hacked knoppix....
[04:59] <afonit> kezz: thanks, but live cd isn't letting me mkdir not even as root, thanks for the ideas though
[05:00] <ogra> afonit: so why do you use mkdir....
[05:00] <ogra> afonit: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt
[05:00] <ataub> hi is there support for centrino 2100 because "out of the box" is not marked at the wiki
[05:00] <ogra> ataub: ipw2100 ? is supported......
[05:01] <ataub> yes I thought so but it does not work
[05:01] <ataub> Is there an older version that does not support it?
[05:01] <ataub> Or did I do sth. wrong?
[05:01] <GFXstyLER> is there no one that can help me?
[05:01] <bretzel> Hi all I have to say that Ubuntu is the only dist I successfully installed and enabled flashplayer for mozilla :-) Other distros I had lots of stuff to do
[05:02] <ogra> ataub: simply loading the ipw2100 module and setting up a network connection should be enough
[05:02] <ogra> ataub: no magic here
[05:02] <ataub> how can i load this module?
[05:02] <ogra> sudo modprobe ipw2100
[05:03] <felixdz> How can I find out if my card is using full duplex? I am googling for it also
[05:03] <ogra> ataub: lsmod|grep ipw
[05:03] <ataub> okay one moment I wll try this ;-)
[05:03] <GFXstyLER> you really seem to ignore me :D okay than you also wont bother if i say you are all stupid, wont you?
[05:03] <ogra> ataub: shows if its loaded
[05:03] <ataub> ok thx one mom
[05:03] <bretzel> ummm, Is there TuxRacer in Ubuntu ? ( For my little girl :-)
[05:03] <mjr> bretzel, at least it was in universe, not sure if in main
[05:03] <mjr> 'cause I have it installed at home (of course :)
[05:04] <ogra> bretzel: i think there is a free variant of it.....
[05:04] <ogra> bretzel: dunno the name though
[05:04] <antoine> Hi !
[05:04] <pd5rm> felixdz: miitool ?
[05:04] <felixdz> Ubuntu defaults to alsa rather than OSS so It should be full duplex.
[05:04] <ogra> GFXstyLER: i dont bother ;)
[05:05] <felixdz> Mii-tool is for nics.
[05:05] <bretzel> Ah! I haven't yet added universe in source list... thx I will addit but I am scared to use universe because there are too much pkgs, and may screw up with conflicting pkg...
[05:05] <felixdz> When I tried connecting with gnomemeeting it was an error message.
[05:05] <mjr> miitool is deprecated anyhow, ethtool is the new, more general, utility
[05:05] <ogra> bretzel: not on a debian based system....there are (normally) no conflicts if you only use the distro provided package sets
[05:06] <GFXstyLER> @ogra: cool you at least read my message ;)
[05:06] <FrAntoine> now that's better
[05:06] <mjr> bretzel, yeah, what ogra said; universe is spesifically compiled for ubuntu, so shouldn't be any serious conflicts
[05:06] <felixdz> The other possibility is that other process is using he sound card?
[05:07] <ogra> felixdz: cant you poing gnomeeting to esd for the output ?
[05:07] <ogra> point
[05:07] <ogra> felixdz: which also would be the named process ;)
[05:07] <ataub> okay it was loaded
[05:08] <ogra> ataub: then you should be able to set it up....either with the network tool from the computer menu or in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:08] <bretzel> ogra_: Yes, I was confused with hoary upgrade... I messed up this computer (P4 2.4) XWindow trying hoary! ouch! I have an onther computer ( PII) with fresh Ubuntu..
[05:09] <ataub> it looks like ubuntu knows the adapter because with iwconfig i see the eth1 as wireless..
[05:09] <ogra> bretzel: ah, ok...hoary is a different game ;)
[05:09] <bretzel> oops read PIII - not PII
[05:09] <ogra> ataub: did you already set it up ?
[05:10] <ataub> i tried with the man page but I think I did sth wrong
[05:10] <ogra> ataub: how ? in /hhetc/network/interfaces ?
[05:10] <ogra> -hh
[05:10] <ataub> no with iwconfig
[05:11] <ogra> ataub: iwconfig doesnt set up the TCP/IP networking...its only for wlan
[05:11] <ataub> oh okay
[05:11] <ogra> ataub: you will need a clean TCP/IP setup.....use the network tool or do it manually in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:12] <ogra> ataub: for manually: man interfaces
[05:12] <ogra> ataub: may be helpful :)
[05:12] <ataub> but in .../network/interfaces are the settings which i configured with iwconfig
[05:12] <bretzel> ogra_: Thanks, tuxracer is there! :-) ( in universe )
[05:12] <ogra> :)
[05:13] <felixdz> ogra. I have just come back. What do you mean by point gnomemeeting to esd?
[05:13] <ogra> felixdz: is there a option/plugin/whatever to make gnomeeting use esd for output ?
[05:13] <felixdz> i'll check
[05:14] <ogra> felixdz: esd is likely blocking /dev/dsp (which is good because everything in ubuntu should be set up to use it)
[05:15] <ogra> felixdz: so either kill esd (with loosing a lot of sound fun) or point your app to use esd....
[05:15] <bretzel> I am wondering how I can rollback to pure default XFree86 before hoary disaster... At last Ubuntu is so much a joy and fast to install, I think I will do a re-install :-)
[05:15] <ogra> bretzel: thats the sanest way if you did upgrade already....
[05:16] <notwist> hia all! are there any apps that can let me write songs to my minidisk player?
[05:16] <ogra> bretzel: you could als try to become a pinning guru ;)
[05:16] <ogra> also
[05:17] <ogra> brb
[05:17] <bretzel> ogra_: pinning guru ? I dunno "pinning" excuse my lack of english skills :-)
[05:17] <ataub> hmm I dont understand the manual for interfaces
[05:18] <dsl765> I'm running dsl here, luvvin' it. Anyone know about a small distro just for running mono?
[05:18] <bretzel> My child is actually enjoying tuxracer on the PIII (Y)
[05:18] <kezz> as in c#?
[05:19] <dsl765> kezz...u askin me?
[05:19] <kezz> yeah
[05:20] <dsl765> cool. I'm a total newbie to clui, but havin' fun. A buddy is a heavy coder, but not in Linux so he's _real_impressed with the open source suite for doing .net/java...so I guess that includes c/c# too
[05:20] <Frossi> what sound system does ubuntu use on default? alsa? oss?
[05:21] <kezz> dsl: have you looked @ eclipse for java?
[05:21] <dsl765> can anyone tell me a command to  get a screenshot in bash?
[05:21] <kezz> dsl765, i haven't tried mono really, i tend to use msvs .net for .net stuff
[05:21] <bretzel> Ubuntu is great but it is really lacking KDE3.3 ( no ref hoary please! ) because I need latest KDevelop which is by far my prefered IDE :-(
[05:22] <dsl765> kezz...no. Not for me, but I'll tell my buddy. Do you use it? is it good?
[05:22] <ataub> how can I set it up with an WEP encryption
[05:24] <felixdz> Got the microphone working in gnomemeeting :)
[05:24] <scizzo> ;)
[05:24] <felixdz> Next webcam...
[05:24] <dsl765> yeah...I know kde has a lot of good stuff, but I don't use it...like grome
[05:25] <bretzel> scizzo, del756: If only gnome had an IDE like KDevelop ...
[05:25] <felixdz> lsusb gives me: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:0870 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Express
[05:25] <dsl765> can anyone tell me a command to  get a screenshot in bash?
[05:26] <felixdz> Which is correct but gnomemeeting gets no devices
[05:26] <felixdz> detcts no devices would be a better way to phrase it.
[05:26] <felixdz> deth to typos
[05:27] <ataub> dsl765 may try gimp for a screenshot
[05:28] <dsl765> ataub....thanks
[05:28] <bretzel> dsl765: In a console Window ?? I know there is an easy one... Can't recall sorry - wait I digging x[...]  commands ...
[05:28] <ataub> np
[05:30] <Capri> can someone tell me how this .Xresources stuff works? i made an entry *Aterm-background: black but aterms bg becomes only white
[05:32] <FrAntoine> nop sorry Capri
[05:32] <FrAntoine> i don't know how it wrks
[05:34] <dsl765> bretzel...any luck? I'm opening gimp in dsl
[05:34] <ogra> Capri: did you try *aterm instead ?
[05:35] <ogra> Capri: also a look at man xrdb could help :)
[05:35] <Capri> ogra:  i will try. but the man aterm tells it should be Aterm or XTerm
[05:36] <bretzel> dsl765:I am sorry - I assumed you want the command-line tool for grabbing a screenshot... I saw that command lots of time but no luck, I can't find anything.
[05:36] <ogra> Capri: did you reload the ressources db with xrdb after the changes ?
[05:36] <dsl765> bretz...thanks anyway
[05:37] <ogra>  bretzel, dsl765: gnome-panel-screenshot ?
[05:37] <ataub> I have no floppy.
[05:37] <ataub> How can I get rid of the mounting process?
[05:39] <dsl765> ogra...bretzel was looking for me. I want to know if there is a command in bash that will take a screenshot of the desktop
[05:39] <ogra> ataub: you can blacklist the floppy module, but which mount process do you mena ?
[05:39] <ogra> mean
[05:39] <Capri> ogra:  not before. but now and it works ;) Haven't changed such/much X properties before. I will read man xrdb now...
[05:40] <Ar\pegzz> hile, anyone in here ready to answer my newbie dumb ass questions?
[05:40] <dud> W: GPG error: http://apt.cerkinfo.be unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A35A4E6EF00175CA
[05:40] <ataub> Hmm there is a command in the ComputerMenu on the top
[05:40] <ataub> May you find the program behind the link..
[05:40] <bretzel> orga: I am reading the "convert" command with -display :0 but seems not working ...
[05:40] <Rene_S> There isnt any way of keeping my Warty kernel and restricted modules and then upgrading to Hoary is there ?
[05:40] <dud> how can i rememdy this?
[05:40] <gosh> hi
[05:40] <gosh> someone can help me?
[05:41] <gosh> i need help
[05:41] <gosh> 3d rendering speed
[05:41] <Capri> Ar\pegzz:  just ask and you'll see
[05:41] <gosh> i use geforce2mx, and nvidia drivers
[05:41] <ogra> bretzel: try man xwd...maybe this is what you look for....
[05:42] <Ar\pegzz> i have some trouble with my soundcard and xmms.. it seems at plays back at half speed, at least the second counter is very slow and it creates and awful echo sound..
[05:42] <ogra> gosh: did you install the ubuntu package of the drivers ?
[05:42] <ogra> gosh: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:43] <Ar\pegzz> but at the libranet test sound it plays back at normal speed with no ecchi..
[05:43] <Ar\pegzz> echo..
[05:44] <ogra> phyberoptix: stop jumping.....
[05:44] <ogra> ;)
[05:44] <Ar\pegzz> anyone help me with that?
[05:47] <titcheo> hello,i'm french.(i'm not very good in english!! lol but I working this...) i have a problem, i'm install package's apache2 and php4 on my ubuntu. But my pages *.php4 are not reading!!!? i don't understand thank
[05:47] <paulproteus> titcheo: cd /etc/apache2/
[05:48] <titcheo> yes
[05:48] <paulproteus> notice the two modules directories: One for 'available' and one for 'enabled'
[05:48] <paulproteus> There's some documentation on the "right way" to enable a module using this.
[05:48] <ogra> titcheo: there is also #ubuntu-fr  ;)
[05:49] <titcheo> ok but it's very symphatic to speak with another person!!! ;-)
[05:49] <gosh> i install de drivers nvidia from synaptic
[05:49] <gosh> for ubuntu
[05:49] <paulproteus> titcheo: "sympathique" == "nice"
[05:49] <titcheo> yes
[05:49] <gosh> but my 3d rendering speed is slow
[05:50] <gosh> how can i have a good speed for 3d rendering?
[05:50] <maldito> yes, one of those faux amis.
[05:50] <titcheo> I understand!!!! happy new year!!!
[05:50] <paulproteus> titcheo: De rien. :)
[05:51] <dud> hmm, mplayer seems to not work for me
[05:51] <bretzel> ogra_: this command seems to work: "convert -display :0 ~/test.jpg ~/tt.jpg"
[05:51] <dud> on hoary
[05:51] <titcheo> ok thank for the link ;-) In spanish, hasta luego!!!
[05:52] <Rene_S> There isnt any way of keeping my Warty kernel and restricted modules and then upgrading to Hoary is there ?
[05:52] <|rufius|> if i uninstall ubuntu-desktop (im wanna get rid of rhythmbox and totem) will i break the system or will it be fine?
[05:53] <paulproteus> You'll be fine, |rufius|.
[05:53] <bretzel> ogra_: ?
[05:53] <paulproteus> It's just notification that you're leaving Ubuntu Supported World.
[05:53] <|rufius|> paulproteus: thanks much
[05:53] <bretzel> Y en a qui parlent le francais ici :-)
[05:54] <|rufius|> paulproteus: oooh i see, yah i dont have any problems, just don't want totem as my default media player
[05:54] <|rufius|> cuz well... it sucks
[05:54] <cardador> |rufius|: you can change the default player very easily
[05:55] <bretzel> ogra_: Did you read my solution ?
[05:55] <ogra> bretzel: yep... good one ;)
[05:55] <|rufius|> cardador: ive missed it several times then, wanna point me to it?
[05:56] <bretzel> ogra_: ...But I don't hink it is the one I saw several time on (excuse me :-) ) kde-look.org's art's screenshot
[05:56] <cardador> |rufius|: right click on a media file, properties, open with, then change to the one who fits you better
[05:57] <paulproteus> bretzel: Oui. :)
[05:57] <paulproteus> bretzel: Il y en a plus a #ubuntu-fr
[05:58] <ogra> bretzel: probably the xwd command.....
[05:58] <bretzel> paulproteus: :-) #ubuntu-fr ...indeed
[05:59] <SpaceNuts> hi
[05:59] <dud> has anyone successfully used mplayer to play mpeg2 files?
[05:59] <bretzel> ogra_: xwd command : I dunno about that. I tried it but no success...
[05:59] <ubuntu-noob> anyone want to take a crack at helping me debug an install of warty?
[06:00] <dud> i can play them with xine/totem, but not mplayer
[06:00] <ogra> xwd  dump an image of an X window
[06:00] <ubuntu-noob> I have three partitions hda1-4
[06:00] <ubuntu-noob> er, 4 partitions
[06:01] <ubuntu-noob> 1 is 32 megs, for boot
[06:01] <ubuntu-noob> 2 is a huge windows partition
[06:01] <bretzel> I went to man/info xwd but I can;t make it works I got only empty files...
[06:01] <ubuntu-noob> 3 is swap
[06:01] <ubuntu-noob> and 4 is for /
[06:01] <ubuntu-noob> format the partitions all fine, and then the base installation started
[06:01] <ubuntu-noob> and it stalled on the mail package, at around 15%
[06:01] <SpaceNuts> and it failes at the kernel install
[06:01] <ubuntu-noob> and just sits
[06:01] <neofeed> so lets try to get ubuntu to run on my Sony VAIO
[06:02] <SpaceNuts> ubuntu-noob
[06:02] <ubuntu-noob> yup
[06:02] <SpaceNuts> you looked op in ctrl+alt+F3
[06:02] <SpaceNuts> for the error message?
[06:02] <ubuntu-noob> hmmm
[06:02] <SpaceNuts> I am experiencing trouble with my current install it gives an error on the kernel package
[06:02] <ogra> ubuntu-noob: is it a burned disk ? or one of the mailed ones ?
[06:02] <ubuntu-noob> I tried switching consoles earlier and it didn't wokr
[06:02] <ubuntu-noob> let me try again
[06:02] <ubuntu-noob> its a burned disk
[06:03] <ubuntu-noob> I burned and verified on two separate disks
[06:03] <SpaceNuts> have you checked the MD5 sums?
[06:03] <ubuntu-noob> from two different sources
[06:03] <SpaceNuts> mine are fine but still an error
[06:03] <SpaceNuts> ok
[06:03] <ubuntu-noob> Gimme one sec to check the error message
[06:03] <ogra> guys, please keep in mind that burning install isos at a higher speed then 4x will only produce coasters....
[06:03] <SpaceNuts> cya in 30 mins gotta go eating, diner is ready
[06:03] <SpaceNuts> ogra: coasters?
[06:03] <ogra> and there is a media check option in the boot menu of the cd....use it
[06:03] <bretzel> Any one knows how to bring up GRUB in frambuffer mode ( graphical mode ) with cute grub boot graphics ?
[06:04] <ogra> SpaceNuts: crap....broken cds
[06:04] <lamont> seb128: I attempted to bootstrap mono, and it was FTBFS.  logs where you pointed.
[06:04] <MattySisu> howya
[06:04] <ubuntu-noob> ok
[06:04] <ubuntu-noob> here is where I stall:
[06:04] <ubuntu-noob> No matching physical volumes found
[06:05] <ogra> ubuntu-noob: did you read what i wrote ?
[06:05] <ubuntu-noob> No volume groups found
[06:05] <ubuntu-noob> Yeah
[06:05] <MattySisu> Anyone who's got a clue why mozilla runs too slow to be usable on ubuntu ?, konqeuror works sound, it worked grand when I used woody (1.8Ghz, 512ram, nvidia)
[06:05] <ubuntu-noob> so that's the problem
[06:05] <ubuntu-noob> reburn at a really slow rate
[06:05] <ubuntu-noob> ?
[06:05] <ogra> ubuntu-noob: first make sure not to burn faster then 4x....check the md5sum before burning...and check the disk with the boot option
[06:05] <ubuntu-noob> OK
[06:06] <ubuntu-noob> I'll give it another try
[06:06] <neofeed> MattySisu, did you try to run it from the console? and see if it outputs anything suspicious?
[06:06] <ogra> MattySisu: probably 3Ghz will do ;)
[06:06] <seb128> lamont: any idea of why abiword is not building ? there is no build log for 2.2.2-1ubuntu1
[06:06] <MattySisu> neofeed: it doesnt output anything, Ive tried firefox aswell
[06:06] <bretzel> Sorry to re-ask: Any one knows how to bring up GRUB in frambuffer mode ( graphical mode ) with cute grub boot graphics ?
[06:06] <ogra> MattySisu: just kidding.....there are some issues with ipv6 ....look in the about:config url to disable it and try again
[06:07] <neofeed> ogra, you must be shitting me. it works beautiful (gentoo) on 1.4GHz no reason it should work slower on ubuntu
[06:07] <ogra> neofeed: heh
[06:07] <neofeed> MattySisu, see if it got any '-debug' flag or so
[06:07] <MattySisu> ogra: ?, I dont think I have ipv6 activated, I manually configured networking
[06:07] <dsl765> thanks for the help folks, gotta go!
[06:07] <MattySisu> ogra: Ive compiled my kernel on my own aswell..
[06:07] <MattySisu> without ipv6
[06:08] <Quest-Master> Why did they put in IPV6 support in there anyways?
[06:08] <MattySisu> I get the feeling something is going dodgy with my graphics adaptor, but then again I dont get any errors anywhere else..
[06:09] <MattySisu> so perhaps it's something else..
[06:09] <bretzel> Sh**T I have to leave for lunch... I have two children to feed also :-):-)
[06:09] <ogra> MattySisu: so thats your problem....
[06:09] <MattySisu> ogra: yeah, but why did it work with woody?
[06:09] <ogra> MattySisu: the ubuntu net software uses v6 where possible ;)
[06:09] <MattySisu> ogra: so suggestion is to try to dissable ipv6 ?
[06:10] <MattySisu> allthough I dont have it in the kernel..
[06:10] <MattySisu> ?
[06:10] <ogra> MattySisu: what i wrote above, yes......
[06:10] <ogra> MattySisu: firefox has it enabled by default nowadays...
[06:11] <MattySisu> ogra: ok..
[06:12] <neofeed> at least a check in about:config might help disabeling v6 ... dunno thoug
[06:12] <ubuntu-noob> ogra: OK, checksums for iso work out, so that's off the list
[06:12] <ogra> neofeed: not v6......only idiotic providers that offer broken v6 on their DNS
[06:13] <ubuntu-noob> I'm reburning at 8x, which is as slow as my powerbook will burn
[06:13] <MattySisu> ogra: hmm, I recall having some ipv6 stuff when I installed ubuntu
[06:13] <neofeed> ubuntu-noob, crap. every burner can go to 1x
[06:13] <setite> woo woo i love ubuntu
[06:13] <setite> hehe
[06:13] <MattySisu> ogra: but I removed the support in the kernel myself
[06:13] <ogra> ubuntu-noob: so next, burning speed.....i also saw good cds at 8x....but 4x is absolutely safe
[06:13] <setite> the resolution sucks... but im glad to say thats the only thing that sucks
[06:13] <MattySisu> ogra: firefox doesnt seem to start now
[06:13] <ubuntu-noob> OK
[06:13] <ubuntu-noob> thx
[06:13] <MattySisu> ogra: so I cant look at the about:/
[06:14] <setite> when burning delicate things always use 4x
[06:14] <MattySisu> ogra: any suggestion?
[06:14] <ubuntu-noob> I'm using the Disk Utility in OSX
[06:14] <setite> or when you dont like coasters
[06:14] <ubuntu-noob> I are GUI dependant unleet-er
[06:14] <setite> hey ogra... can you pencil me in for help getting a better resolution on this intel 845g onboard video?
[06:14] <setite> i are?
[06:14] <setite> english is not your first language i gather
[06:15] <ubuntu-noob> _sarcasm_
[06:15] <ogra> MattySisu: what is the error if you run it from the commandline ?
[06:15] <setite> oh ok
[06:15] <setite> firefox is evil... get opera!!!!
[06:15] <ogra> setite: lol
[06:15] <setite> i know this is odd... because it wasnt the same in windows... but firefox on here is slower than shit... and opera runs fine...
[06:15] <fabbione> setite: doing spell checking on non-native speakers isn't very nice.
[06:16] <fabbione> specially when they are here to help
[06:16] <fabbione> it's highly demotivating
[06:16] <setite> i know... but if they take it seriously they have issues
[06:16] <setite> i mean i feel like im on dialup... not because of loading times necessarily but because of the response time
[06:16] <setite> anyone that has a emachine
[06:16] <ogra> setite: if the live CD doesnt detect it right and you couldnt figure it out in a week (iirc) how should i do it ?
[06:16] <setite> or knows how i can fix the video please help
[06:16] <ubuntu-noob> _laugh_ For the record, I'm perfectly proficient in english.  In fact, like all good americans, it's about all I'm capable of.
[06:16] <fabbione> setite: you are wrong.
[06:17] <setite> yea but it works fine in the install version
[06:17] <setite> im at 1024x768
[06:17] <setite> but its capable of better modes....
[06:17] <ogra> setite: so reconfigure it ;)
[06:17] <setite> and this is still just a little too big for me to be productive
[06:17] <setite> well i cant
[06:17] <setite> 1024x768 is the max it allows me
[06:17] <MattySisu> ogra: no error
[06:17] <MattySisu> ogra: refuses to start..
[06:17] <setite> but earlier i was getting help from nomasteryoda... so its possible
[06:18] <setite> but his method was confusing me
[06:18] <setite> but the last step i was one was installing the drivers from intel
[06:18] <ogra> setite: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 .....and select the right H and V sync values
[06:18] <fabbione> setite: you can set X resolution at the boot for the Live CD
[06:18] <ogra> MattySisu: did you ever run it with sudo ?
[06:18] <fabbione> setite: that's where it is "detected"
[06:18] <setite> ok ill try that
[06:18] <fabbione> ogra: that won't work on the LiveCD
[06:19] <setite> no fabbione... we spent time on the live cd
[06:19] <fabbione> because they use a different config schema
[06:19] <ogra> fabbione: hi :)
[06:19] <setite> it would probably take editing the actual files on disk... so i just went ahead and installed it
[06:19] <ogra> fabbione: i think he finally installed now.....
[06:19] <fabbione> ah ok
[06:19] <setite> yea i did
[06:19] <setite> got annoyed
[06:19] <fabbione> setite: what ogra said is correct
[06:19] <setite> ill wipe it when i get my pc running
[06:19] <setite> yes fabbione i trust he is always right... or at least doing his best
[06:20] <fabbione> <- was xfree86 maintainer for warty
[06:20] <fabbione> ogra: what's up?
[06:20] <ogra> heh....nope...my best is far more.......and i trust fabbione more if it comes to X
[06:20] <MattySisu> ogra: no, that seems stupid and dangerous
[06:21] <ogra> MattySisu: ok....it changes the ownership of firefox
[06:21] <setite> ok how do i figure out how much memory my video card has
[06:21] <setite> i have no idea
[06:21] <ogra> MattySisu: ~/.mozilla i mean
[06:21] <fabbione> setite: what card is that?
[06:21] <setite> some onboard bs
[06:21] <fabbione> argh
[06:21] <fabbione> hmmmm
[06:21] <setite> intel extreme bla bla
[06:21] <setite> 845g
[06:21] <ogra> MattySisu: so it could be caused by this....
[06:21] <fabbione> ok that's a royal pain to setup
[06:22] <fabbione> setite: just put a 4096 in there
[06:22] <setite> yea i learned that yesterday
[06:22] <fabbione> iirc the menu asks it in KB
[06:22] <setite> iirc?
[06:22] <fabbione> "if i remember correctly"
[06:22] <setite> yea thats where i am now
[06:22] <setite> it wasnt it in kb
[06:22] <fabbione> just put 4096
[06:22] <setite> so 4096?
[06:23] <fabbione> yes but we will have to check it again
[06:23] <setite> use kernel framebuffer?
[06:23] <fabbione> no
[06:23] <ogra> fabbione: so so .... i ordered this babe yesterday: http://t-online-shop.de/tonline/product.do?action=getProductDetail&product=9533
[06:23] <setite> ok
[06:23] <fabbione> setite: just hit a bunch of enters right now
[06:23] <fabbione> no need to get stupid
[06:24] <fabbione> these onborad cards do not have real memory
[06:24] <ogra> fabbione: now i can offer amd64 pkgs..... how is your neck ?
[06:24] <fabbione> they use system memory that is allocated and reserved by the BIOS
[06:24] <fabbione> ogra: nice toy :-) my neck still hurts
[06:24] <fabbione> setite: what you need to do is check in the BIOS how much memory is allocated to the video card
[06:25] <fabbione> setite: and run again that dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[06:25] <ogra> fabbione: did you see the HD setup ? 2 identical 40G drives......I CAN DO STRIPING !!!!
[06:25] <fabbione> set the correct amount of RAM
[06:25] <setite> ok what resolution should i pick
[06:25] <fabbione> and set the resolution you want
[06:25] <setite> any suggestions?
[06:25] <fabbione> setite: that depends how much ram is allocated to the gfx card
[06:25] <setite> see in windows its all sized differently
[06:25] <fabbione> setite: for this run.. it doesn't matter
[06:25] <setite> so 1024x768 is fine
[06:25] <ogra> setite: i thought you know what you used in win ?
[06:25] <stuNNed_> xorg is freaking out, damn xorg and nvidia drivers
[06:25] <fabbione> you will have to reconfigure later
[06:26] <neofeed> ogra, wow. it comes with win xp home ... *contragulation*
[06:26] <fabbione> setite: yeah
[06:26] <ogra> stuNNed_: dont blame xorg ;)
[06:26] <setite> see im doing all the same thing in windows... lik mirc... gaim... mp3 and such
[06:26] <setite> but there is just no room
[06:26] <ogra> neofeed: wanna have it ? i
[06:26] <ogra> i'll send you the orikginal CD if you like ;)
[06:26] <neofeed> Sell it on Ebay as OVP?
[06:26] <setite> what will happen if my monitor cant hangle the resolution
[06:26] <stuNNed_> ogra, ok :)
[06:26] <setite> or will it not give me one it cant handle
[06:26] <neofeed> ogra, whow.. no thanks, I got one myself
[06:26] <MattySisu> ogra: hmm, I tried to run it with sudo, seems to take ages for it to start...?
[06:26] <techn9ne> setite, your computer will explode
[06:26] <stuNNed_> ogra, nice apt-key marillat.asc btw :D
[06:27] <techn9ne> shrapnel everywhere
[06:27] <setite> haha thanks tech
[06:27] <techn9ne> lights
[06:27] <techn9ne> electrical waves
[06:27] <fabbione> setite: your monitor will burn
[06:27] <techn9ne> its crazy
[06:27] <techn9ne> make sure you get it on video
[06:27] <techn9ne> and send it to us
[06:27] <ogra> stuNNed_: ??
[06:27] <setite> ok but really now
[06:27] <ubuntu-noob> OK kids
[06:27] <setite> tell me this
[06:27] <ubuntu-noob> md5'd, burned at 8x
[06:27] <techn9ne> setite, it just wont work and it will reset after a set time limit
[06:27] <ubuntu-noob> and starting install again
[06:27] <setite> ok
[06:27] <stuNNed_> ogra, ah, thought you were the author of that repo, sorry about that :)
[06:27] <ogra> MattySisu: looks like something else......somewhere below mozilla...
[06:28] <ogra> stuNNed_: that would get expensive....too much bandwith.....
[06:28] <Capri> setite:  maybe you'll see an out of sync warning. depends on monitor
[06:28] <setite> if i set the highest will it now give me all the other options is the regular screen resolution menu under computer -> system configuration
[06:28] <setite> yea im worried about the out of sync warning
[06:28] <setite> bad experience with those
[06:28] <ubuntu-noob> To restate: I have hda1-4
[06:28] <ubuntu-noob> 1 is 32 megs ext3 for /boot
[06:29] <ubuntu-noob> 2 is my windows install
[06:29] <ubuntu-noob> 3 is 1 gig, swap
[06:29] <ubuntu-noob> 4 is 10 megs, for /
[06:29] <Capri> setite: why?
[06:29] <neofeed> 1 GIG swap?
[06:29] <neofeed> 10 MB for / ?
[06:29] <ubuntu-noob> I'm crazy like that
[06:29] <neofeed> you are nut!
[06:29] <ubuntu-noob> er 10 gigs
[06:29] <SpaceNuts> ubuntu-noob: have you checked the cd integrity
[06:29] <SpaceNuts> mine is broken
[06:29] <setite> ok what do i do
[06:29] <ubuntu-noob> yes
[06:29] <setite> i went through all that and i dont see any more resolutions
[06:29] <ubuntu-noob> verified by apples wonderful disk utitility
[06:29] <MattySisu> ogra: hmm, any idea what ?, I noticed that the nvidia binary drivers seem to have issues with 2.6 kernels, think that could cause this kindof phenomena ?, on the otherhand as I mentioned konq works great...??
[06:30] <neofeed> ubuntu-noob, why 1 gig swap? hoch much mem do you have?
[06:30] <techn9ne> setite, select your monitor manually
[06:30] <ubuntu-noob> 1 gig
[06:30] <setite> capri - i recall one of those and not being able to fix it for a while
[06:30] <setite> tech where
[06:30] <setite> device manager?
[06:30] <SpaceNuts> ubuntu-noob: I don't know for sure but a 32mb /boot partition containing ext3 is a little small i think
[06:30] <ogra> MattySisu: i dont know what to guess here, since you made your own kernel....the ubuntu packages work fine together.....
[06:31] <ubuntu-noob> should be plenty for the kernel, no?!?!
[06:31] <neofeed> ubuntu-noob, so why do you want to swap the whole ram to the disk?
[06:31] <ubuntu-noob> Fedora didn't have an issue with it anyway
[06:31] <Capri> ubuntu-noob:  it's enough for two kernels
[06:31] <neofeed> ubuntu-noob, SWAP==SLOW
[06:31] <SpaceNuts> yeah but with ext3 it is a journaling filesystem and needs some extra storage for that
[06:31] <ubuntu-noob> exactly
[06:31] <SpaceNuts> not sure
[06:31] <techn9ne> setite, i think so i dont know ive never done it w/ ubuntu i dont know where the gui tool is accessible from
[06:31] <SpaceNuts> Capri: oh ok, make mine always 128mb
[06:31] <ubuntu-noob> There is plenty of disk space, so I just allocated a gig for swap
[06:32] <ubuntu-noob> It doesn't matter since i have a gig of ram anyway
[06:32] <neofeed> yea.. go ahead
[06:32] <ubuntu-noob> OK, manually editing partitions
[06:32] <ogra> brb
[06:32] <neofeed> ubuntu-noob, my 1.5GB ram are 90% filled
[06:32] <neofeed> because linux keeps caching stuff
[06:32] <ubuntu-noob> Well, there is that
[06:32] <SpaceNuts> linux always uses the swap
[06:32] <SpaceNuts> why not?
[06:33] <neofeed> I prefere to keep my cache in MEM instead of dumping it onto my damn slow hd.
[06:33] <ubuntu-noob> OK, done setting up partitions
[06:33] <SpaceNuts> hmm oh i thought you meant when your mem was full it filled up the swap
[06:33] <neofeed> in the days when I had 16MB ram swap was great. today i'd not go past 256mb swap
[06:33] <Capri> SpaceNuts:   du -sh /boot/       3,3M
[06:33] <SpaceNuts> ok alright
[06:34] <ubuntu-noob> OK
[06:34] <ubuntu-noob> we are at installing base system
[06:34] <ubuntu-noob> where I died last time
[06:34] <SpaceNuts> Capri: I thought it needed to bee bigger for ext3 fs, nevermind I said that
[06:34] <neofeed> ubuntu-noob, weird: a) I don't install the base system, b) you got reincanated?
[06:34] <ubuntu-noob> FUCK
[06:34] <ubuntu-noob> stuck on login
[06:34] <SpaceNuts> children please look the other way
[06:35] <ubuntu-noob> Reading all physical volumes
[06:35] <ubuntu-noob> (sorry for the cussing)
[06:35] <ubuntu-noob> OK, over on terminal f3, I've got a bunch of chars shooting by
[06:35] <ubuntu-noob> which is new
[06:35] <sid77> hi
[06:35] <ubuntu-noob> ^[[3
[06:35] <ubuntu-noob> and now those have stopped
[06:36] <MattySisu> ogra_: guess I should start with booting the old kernel to see if that makes a difference ;)
[06:36] <ubuntu-noob> sweet
[06:36] <ubuntu-noob> OK, so I now can't switch to f1
[06:36] <ubuntu-noob> f2 gives me a terminal
[06:37] <ubuntu-noob> f3 is stuck with a bunch of ~^[[3's on it
[06:37] <SpaceNuts> sid77: hi
[06:37] <ubuntu-noob> and f4 has some messages on it, last of which is a message from init
[06:37] <ubuntu-noob> : /
[06:39] <ubuntu-noob> perhaps some more info about my system is in order:
[06:39] <ubuntu-noob> dell dimension 8200
[06:39] <ubuntu-noob> crappy nvidia video card
[06:39] <ubuntu-noob> 1 gig ram
[06:39] <ubuntu-noob> 80 gig HD
[06:40] <ubuntu-noob> boot partition is at start of disk
[06:40] <ubuntu-noob> swap is at like 70
[06:40] <ubuntu-noob> root is at 71ish
[06:40] <SpaceNuts> crappy nvidia vga?? which one?
[06:41] <ubuntu-noob> the really low end geforce4
[06:42] <ubuntu-noob> so
[06:42] <ubuntu-noob> anyting in /var/log I should be looking at?
[06:42] <MattySisu> ogra_: hmm, you ware right, something bellow firefox, using ubuntu kernel worked grand..
[06:43] <MattySisu> ogra_: odd!, Im not exactly a newbie to the kernel
[06:43] <raul_> alguien habla espaol?
[06:44] <raul_> necesito curso para newbie, necesito aprender poco a poco
[06:44] <joshua> hi folks
[06:45] <raul_> where talk spanish? please
[06:46] <techn9ne> raul_, forums maybe i dunno
[06:46] <joshua> sybaptic allows you to select "never update package" to a particular package right?
[06:46] <smooth-operator> anybody know how to temporarily stop pute-ftpd from running?
[06:46] <ubuntu-noob> OK kids
[06:46] <ubuntu-noob> last try
[06:46] <ubuntu-noob> and then its back to fedora
[06:46] <ubuntu-noob> _bleh_
[06:47] <raul_> i dont know dunno
[06:47] <Quest-Master> ubuntu-noob: What's your problem again? I might be able to help
[06:48] <raul_> gracias a todos  adios.
[06:48] <ubuntu-noob> my install is halting during the base install
[06:48] <felixdz> Still trying to get gnomemeeting to go. Tried xawtv get this error: can't open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[06:48] <ubuntu-noob> at around 15%
[06:48] <setite> tech yoiu ther
[06:49] <Quest-Master> Zelazny seems to be crashing
[06:49] <Quest-Master> Anyhow
[06:49] <setite> you gotta elaborate man... i have no idea where to find how to selevt the monitor
[06:49] <Quest-Master> ubuntu-noob: How much RAM and what processor are you on?
[06:49] <setite> netsplit!@!!
[06:50] <ubuntu-noob> It freezes up on different packages on every install
[06:50] <ubuntu-noob> strange
[06:50] <ubuntu-noob> I've md5'd the iso
[06:50] <ubuntu-noob> burned it at 8x and had it verified
[06:50] <ACIDnet> is there any kind of sleep or hiberation or something in linux?? Can to power down machine quicky and restore quicky - dont really want to turn off and back on all the time
[06:50] <setite> that happened to me
[06:50] <setite> its because i broke a resistor off my mobo
[06:50] <ubuntu-noob> p4 2.2 ghz
[06:50] <setite> hope you didnt do that
[06:50] <ubuntu-noob> 1 gig of ram
[06:50] <unperson> Any beep media player users here?
[06:50] <Quest-Master> ubuntu-noob: It could probably be a bad CD. That's what happened to me once.
[06:50] <setite> i broke a resistor that messed up all intenst ide processes
[06:50] <ubuntu-noob> I haven't opened this box in years
[06:51] <setite> quest he said he verified
[06:51] <neofeed> backing up 3.2 GB over a WireLess link at 300K/s really sucks!
[06:51] <setite> hey it could be worse
[06:51] <ACIDnet> neofeed: How u backing up?? Ghost or something?
[06:51] <scizzo> unperson: ask your question instead
[06:51] <Quest-Master> ubuntu-noob: Burn another CD. That is more than likely the problem/
[06:51] <setite> ogra you still there?
[06:51] <neofeed> ACIDnet, nah simply saving the HOME dir.
[06:52] <ubuntu-noob> I've now burned 3 of them
[06:52] <ubuntu-noob> _smile_
[06:52] <ACIDnet> hmmm, i need to store out some sort of backup rountine
[06:52] <neofeed> ACID want to replace the system with ubuntu. But'd like to the homedir. as that box kept all my digital images.
[06:52] <setite> hmmm well ubuntu-noob... i had the exact same problem... but you would have noticed by now if you had the same reason
[06:52] <unperson> Well, the question was basically, anyone else have the issue with beep that it freezes if you click on a link for a stream when the player is already open?  The same stream works fine if I close the player first, then click on the link.  It opens and plays.
[06:52] <neofeed> ACIDnet, for GHosting I'd use DD
[06:52] <ACIDnet> DD??
[06:52] <setite> are you dual booting noob
[06:53] <neofeed> either create an image, MD5sum it. send it, verify MD5 or dd though netcat
[06:53] <neofeed> ACIDnet, man dd
[06:53] <scizzo> unperson: hmmm...might be a nice little bug
[06:53] <ubuntu-noob> OK
[06:53] <setite> ubuntu-noob - are you dual booting
[06:53] <ubuntu-noob> here goes my last crack
[06:53] <ubuntu-noob> yup
[06:53] <setite> did you defrag before partitioning?
[06:53] <ubuntu-noob> hda2 is a windows partition
[06:53] <SpaceNuts> ubuntu-noob: you mean the GF 4 MX 440 with 64mb SDR
[06:54] <setite> hda2 eh... so you had a linux installed first?
[06:54] <ubuntu-noob> No, that sounds too good
[06:54] <ubuntu-noob> I had fedora installed
[06:54] <setite> mx440 aint that good
[06:54] <setite> hehe
[06:54] <ubuntu-noob> I want to say GF4 FX or something
[06:54] <setite> well not from the standpoint of a guy like me
[06:54] <ubuntu-noob> its laughably bad
[06:54] <setite> 6800gt in my othert pc
[06:54] <ubuntu-noob> but I don't game, so I don't care
[06:55] <MattySisu> anyone using xawtv here?
[06:55] <unperson> scizzo, Yeah, perhaps.  I tried looking at their bug reporting but it wasn't clear to me whether this is a known issue.
[06:55] <ubuntu-noob> ok, frozen on login again
[06:55] <ubuntu-noob> over on f4 lots of ^[[3's shooting by
[06:55] <ubuntu-noob> no doubt it will stop soon
[06:55] <ubuntu-noob> and I'll be stuck again
[06:55] <scizzo> unperson: maybe there is a irc channel you can ask this in....for the development of beep that is
[06:55] <ubuntu-noob> yup
[06:56] <unperson> scizzo, The real kicker is that the URLs don't work at all in XMMS, so I'm stuck.  Now this could mean the URLs are malformed in some way, I don't know.  But like I said, they can work in beep if it isn't already open.
[06:56] <ACIDnet> is there any kind of sleep or hiberation or something in linux?? Can to power down machine quicky and restore quicky - dont really want to turn off and back on all the time
[06:56] <ubuntu-noob> stuck
[06:56] <Quest-Master> unperson: I use beep-media-player
[06:56] <ubuntu-noob> hmmm
[06:56] <ubuntu-noob> now going again
[06:56] <setite> acid?
[06:56] <ubuntu-noob> brb
[06:56] <setite> are you asking a question
[06:56] <ike> acidnet: swsusp2 provides this type of functionality, but it hasn't been integrated into Ubuntu yet. better laptop functionality is a goal for hoary.
[06:56] <setite> oh thats what your asking
[06:56] <no0tic> hi!
[06:57] <ACIDnet> yeah, didnt put it very well :(
[06:57] <neofeed> ACIDnet, yes. ACPI is the keyword maybe swsusp2 too
[06:57] <ubuntu-noob> and, stuck again
[06:57] <ubuntu-noob> I've got a terminal over on f2
[06:57] <ACIDnet> anyway to put swsusp2 into warty?
[06:57] <scizzo> unperson: well...I don't really know..but it seems to be something with beep and xmms then
[06:58] <ubuntu-noob> lovely
[06:58] <setite> what is beep
[06:58] <setite> another media proggy
[06:58] <unperson> scizzo, Well, thanks.
[06:58] <scizzo> setite: xmms like thingy
[06:58] <setite> is it better than xmms? in anyones opinion
[06:58] <ubuntu-noob> now I've got ^[[3's on every terminal
[06:58] <ubuntu-noob> _laugh_
[06:58] <unperson> Quest-Master, Have you had any issues with streams freezing it?
[06:58] <ike> ACIDnet: it's usually painful. i'd recommend against it unless you know what you're doing.
[06:58] <setite> its like it? whats differnt
[06:58] <scizzo> setite: try it yourself and see.. ;)
[06:58] <ubuntu-noob> OK, I'm going to try to reburn at 1x
[06:58] <ubuntu-noob> see if I can make Disk Util do that
[06:59] <unperson> setite, It's a fork of XMMS./
[06:59] <setite> nah... i like xmms fine
[06:59] <davmor2> Setite it's an updated xmms player using gtk+2
[06:59] <unperson> setite, I think the idea is to bring XMMS a bit more up to date.
[06:59] <setite> oooh gtk+2... like a noob like me even knows what that is
[06:59] <davmor2> it forked off the orignal xmms project
[06:59] <unperson> I guess.
[06:59] <setite> whats out of date?
[06:59] <no0tic> I've a problem with cups-client;
[06:59] <setite> except for that ugly looking file browser
[06:59] <setite> looks win95 ish
[07:00] <unperson> setite, Eh, dunno really.  I only use it because it seems to handle some streams that XMMS will not.
[07:00] <davmor2> xmms is written with G(imp)T(ool)K(it)+1
[07:00] <unperson> setite, Well, it's skinnable like XMMS I think.
[07:00] <setite> oh yea... winamp skins right
[07:00] <setite> awesome... ill try it as soon as i get this resolution thing resolved...
[07:01] <no0tic> I've a running cups server on my desktop (mdk 10.1) running good; on my laptop I was able to print until I switched to Ubuntu
[07:01] <setite> tech ogra someone!!
[07:01] <davmor2> setite it is skinable using xmms skins as far as i can figure
[07:01] <unperson> setite, Personally I don't spend much time looking at it (it's in the background most of the time), so I don't bother.
[07:01] <setite> anyone... how do i select my monitor
[07:01] <setite> and can anyone scroll up for the command ogra gave me earlier if its still here
[07:01] <no0tic> my laptop doesn't find any printer on the local network
[07:01] <unperson> neofeed, Is it in existance yet?
[07:02] <no0tic> network is working well
[07:02] <torlok2002> hello!
[07:03] <torlok2002> maybe hello?
[07:03] <setite> hola
[07:03] <phyberoptix> try halo!
[07:03] <setite> halo sucks!
[07:03] <no0tic> hello torlok2002
[07:04] <phyberoptix> halo 2 sux worse
[07:04] <setite> IMHO
[07:04] <torlok2002> I'm quite a linux newb but comfortable with PC's, and am having a problem
[07:04] <setite> indeed it does
[07:04] <torlok2002> support docs are only getting me confused more
[07:04] <torlok2002> i need some p2p help
[07:04] <no0tic> anyone can help me find out why I can't find remote printers?
[07:04] <setite> preach preacher!
[07:04] <techn9ne> torlok2002, p2p? limewire?
[07:04] <torlok2002> person to person
[07:04] <setite> no0tic - did you try the wiki
[07:04] <torlok2002> srry
[07:05] <no0tic> setite: I searched the wiki, but I didn't find anything
[07:05] <setite> tehc their you are you sob
[07:05] <torlok2002> this is about changing the file/folder permissions of  /MF
[07:05] <setite> dude you gave me a suggestion and jetted.. i dont know what you meant
[07:05] <setite> tech dont get quite now
[07:05] <setite> agrajag
[07:05] <setite> ogra
[07:05] <setite> techn9ne
[07:06] <setite> im hoping the yellow wakes you up
[07:06] <torlok2002> hello? anyone know about changing folder/file permissions??? I know someone has too...
[07:06] <[Phaedrus] > Hey guys... anyone had any luck making a SM56 Modem work with Ubuntu? I cant switch to ubuntu till i get my Modem/internet working
[07:06] <paulproteus> torlok2002: Yes, I do.  Do you have a question?
[07:06] <no0tic> torlok2002: man chmod
[07:07] <setite> torlock like in windows
[07:07] <setite> right click and select properties
[07:07] <ubuntu-noob> OK guys, I'm giving up and going back to Fedora.  I'll get a CD in the mail and see if that works.
[07:07] <setite> permissions tab
[07:07] <torlok2002> i have man'ed chmod
[07:07] <paulproteus> torlok2002: Right-click and hit properties; that should be easy enough.
[07:07] <stuNNed_> ogra_, if cpu is constant at 50% and xorg is the process then it's most probably the nvidia drivers?
[07:07] <wezzer> oh, still haven't got my ubuntu cd's
[07:07] <setite> ubuntu-noob - sorry i cant help... im too new to all this
[07:07] <ubuntu-noob> NP
[07:07] <ubuntu-noob> Its a retarded hardware problem
[07:07] <torlok2002> but i dont have root permissions.. and cannot login as root from the login screen into a GUI
[07:07] <[Phaedrus] > ubuntu-noob: Fedora mails free cds?
[07:07] <ubuntu-noob> Nope
[07:08] <setite> yea
[07:08] <paulproteus> torlok2002: What file do you want to change permissions of?
[07:08] <setite> phaedrus yes
[07:08] <setite> as many as you want
[07:08] <ubuntu-noob> I have the fedora cds already
[07:08] <setite> takes about a decade though
[07:08] <setite> but you cant expect free to be fast
[07:08] <torlok2002> ' /MF
[07:08] <paulproteus> torlok2002: Basically: "Be specific so we can *actually help you*!" ;)
[07:08] <torlok2002> i'm trying...
[07:08] <ubuntu-noob> anyway, thanks guys
[07:08] <paulproteus> What file?  What docs have you read?  What page are you reading?  What line confuses you?  What have you tried?
[07:09] <paulproteus> And what, in the grand scheme of things, are you trying to do?
[07:09] <[Phaedrus] > i agree setite
[07:09] <paulproteus> You're not changing permissions for the sake of it, probably.
[07:10] <unperson> Well, I guess I should compile the newest version of beep (newer than Ubuntu's) before I complain.  Could be fixed.
[07:10] <paulproteus> unperson: Can you try grabbing beep from Ubuntu Hoary?
[07:10] <paulproteus> That's likely to be the latest version.
[07:11] <[Phaedrus] > what is beep?
[07:11] <torlok2002> I set up a partition that is mounted as /Mf and I'm moving all my saved documents to it, but am unable to write to it with the current logged in user
[07:11] <SpaceNuts> how can I do a integrity check of the install cd before starting the base install?
[07:11] <paulproteus> torlok2002: *Oh*!
[07:11] <paulproteus> What filesystem is it?
[07:11] <torlok2002> ext3
[07:11] <setite> anyoen know how i can select my monitor
[07:11] <unperson> paulproteus, Hmm...no idea.
[07:11] <setite> and where ogra went
[07:11] <unperson> paulproteus, I can try.  Is there a good way to get the deb without adding the whole repository to my sources.list?
[07:11] <paulproteus> torlok2002: Then, I suggest doing this:
[07:12] <torlok2002> I've got samba installed and plan to share it from here, rather than my winxp home box
[07:12] <paulproteus> In a terminal, do: cd /Mf ; sudo chown {username} .
[07:13] <SpaceNuts> cya
[07:13] <paulproteus> unperson: Try browsing http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu ?
[07:14] <paulproteus> unperson: To me, the easiest thing to do is add the repositories to sources.list ; and then install the package.
[07:16] <unperson> paulproteus, Probably true.  I just have to remember how to tell apt not to try to upgrade everything to hoary.
[07:16] <ish> In Warty, I installed syslog-ng from universe.. It removed ubuntu-base.. Any issues with that?
[07:16] <paulproteus> unperson: On the command line?
[07:16] <paulproteus> torlok2002: Did you get my instruction?  I can give you an even easier one, actually.
[07:17] <paulproteus> torlok2002: The idea is to change the ownership of the filesystem to that user.
[07:17] <torlok2002> "$ sudo chown sentinal" I get "chown: too few arguments"
[07:17] <unperson> paulproteus, Well, I'll mess with it and see if I can figure it out.  Thanks.
[07:17] <no0tic> cups problem solved!
[07:17] <no0tic> :)
[07:17] <paulproteus> torlok2002: You missed the final '.' .
[07:17] <paulproteus> torlok2002: That signifies "this directory".
[07:18] <paulproteus> You could replace that with "/Mf", as in "sudo chown sentinal /Mf " , now that I think about it.
[07:18] <paulproteus> no0tic: Quickly, what was wrong and how'd you fix it?
[07:19] <no0tic> I had to change /etc/cups/client.conf: uncommented ServerName line and changed it to the correct server name
[07:19] <no0tic> Before I was searching for a local server that wasn't listening
[07:20] <no0tic> instead of calling the remote one where printers are installed
[07:20] <paulproteus> no0tic: Ah.
[07:20] <ogra> stuNNed_: sounds likely.....
[07:21] <torlok2002> thank you very much paulproteus, I had messed with that command but could never get it to work.
[07:21] <paulproteus> torlok2002: You're welcome. :)
[07:21] <torlok2002> copying files now...
[07:22] <torlok2002> I lost a lot of data when one of my HDD's lost its mind a couple weeks ago, so i figure i should have a backup of all of it somewhere
[07:23] <unperson> Ok, in synaptic does the Settings->Prefs->Expert Distribution default archive setting select which is the default distro?
[07:23] <setite> hey is there an arial or times new roman font
[07:23] <setite> im not used to the font opera is using
[07:24] <unperson> So that after setting this I can add hoary repositories without automatically upgrading every packge from there?
[07:24] <paulproteus> setite: It should be in the package msttcorefonts .
[07:24] <calamari> setite: I pulled those fonts from Windows, but they don't work 100% right because Windows has bold/italic, etc versions of theme
[07:24] <paulproteus> unperson: Looks like it to me.
[07:24] <paulproteus> unperson: If I were you, now that the sources.list was there, I'd quickly on the command-line, do:
[07:24] <paulproteus> apt-get install that_one_package_I_wanted
[07:24] <paulproteus> and then comment them out again in fear. ;)
[07:25] <calamari> setite: it seems like half the webpages out there change the font on you anyways.  Check it out sometime, quite amazing
[07:25] <unperson> paulproteus, Heh.  But thankfully apt asks before installing/upgrading.
[07:26] <unperson> paulproteus, Otherwise I'd agree.
[07:26] <paulproteus> paulproteus: Well, then you don't have to comment them out if you don't want.
[07:27] <paulproteus> But the fear remains with me. ;)
[07:27] <setite> calamari do you know where i can select my monitor
[07:27] <setite> i know fedora had it... and so did windows.... i dont know where it is on ubuntu
[07:27] <calamari> setite: nope, I only have one monitor
[07:28] <unperson> paulproteus, Probably best when giving others advice.  ;-)
[07:28] <liquidghondi> what videocard are you using?
[07:29] <setite> ok found a legible font
[07:30] <calamari> I'd like to get a projector someday.. no $ is always the problem
[07:30] <unperson> paulproteus, Hmm...that didn't work quite right.  But I know there's a way to do this.
[07:30] <setite> i love my projector
[07:30] <paulproteus> unperson: "It should have."  What did it do instead?
[07:30] <paulproteus> (If it's a lot of text, feel free to /msg me.)
[07:31] <ogra> unperson: better post it to #flood, so we all can see and help.....
[07:31] <setite> ogra!!!!
[07:31] <unperson> paulproteus, Well, I added a hoary repository, set that distribution setting to warty, then reloaded my package list and selected upgrades.  All of a sudden I had a ton of upgrades that weren't there a minute before.
[07:31] <setite> your back to save me :)
[07:32] <setite> im drowning here man...
[07:32] <unperson> I was using synaptic, so there wasn't a lot to post.
[07:32] <ogra> setite: i'm not really sure about that...... do you think there is something to save ?
[07:32] <ogra> *g*
[07:32] <setite> yes u believe there is
[07:32] <setite> i+
[07:32] <setite> i**
[07:33] <ogra> setite: ok....if _you_ tell me....ten it must be true *g*
[07:33] <unperson> Hmm...I know there's a way to make it so it won't upgrade from them unless you do apt-get -t distro install....but I don't remember how.
[07:33] <ogra> +h
[07:33] <unperson> And I've never done it with synaptic.  I was hoping it would be easier.
[07:33] <paulproteus> unperson: apt-get install package/distro
[07:33] <setite> i dont get the *g* thing... moving on... ok i ran that one command that you told me to and went through everything... what now
[07:33] <paulproteus> Wait, that's the opposite of what you want.
[07:34] <setite> and on a side note
[07:34] <ogra> unperson: you have to use pinning to make this work in a sne way....but that requires high skills of apt knowledge
[07:34] <unperson> paulproteus, The point is that it looked as though it wanted to upgrade from hoary by default, which I do NOT want.
[07:34] <ogra> setite: *g* = grin, *G* = BIG grin
[07:35] <format-c-colon> hey all
[07:35] <setite> can i msg you
[07:35] <unperson> ogra, You think?  Yeah, I really don't want to mess with that.
[07:35] <unperson> I'll just download the source and compile it.
[07:35] <ogra> unperson: so just leave hoary.....
[07:35] <unperson> source of the app in question
[07:35] <ogra> unperson: yep, thats he best way
[07:35] <paulproteus> unperson: One more thing I'd like you try, if you can:
[07:35] <ogra> unperson: which app btw ?
[07:35] <unperson> ogra, beep media player.
[07:35] <paulproteus> Quit Synaptic.  sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[07:35] <unperson> paulproteus, Shoot.
[07:36] <paulproteus> (or whate'r's the package name.)
[07:36] <setite> whats the command to get a window when messaging... is not /msg
[07:36] <ogra> setite: if you did anything like fabbione told you, you just have to restart the X server
[07:36] <setite> i restarted
[07:36] <Linuxnoob> can you guys give me some help?  I posted in ubuntuforums.org and am not getting any help
[07:36] <setite> with CTRL+ALT+BKSP
[07:36] <unperson> paulproteus, Ok, you mean with hoary repository added.
[07:36] <ogra> unperson: why dont you use wartys package ?
[07:36] <paulproteus> unperson: Precisely.
[07:36] <paulproteus> Linuxnoob: Maybe.  Ask your question, and see if we answer.
[07:36] <setite> and i have no more resolutions available now then i did then
[07:36] <setite> setite@ubuntu:~/dripkg $ sudo sh install.sh
[07:36] <setite> Password:
[07:36] <setite> DIRECT RENDERING OPEN SOURCE PROJECT  -  DRIVER INSTALLATION SCRIPT
[07:36] <setite> [ http://dri.sourceforge.net ] 
[07:36] <Linuxnoob> I have a sony vaio laptop with a conexant 56k modem
[07:36] <setite> [07:37] <TheSnowMan> anyone up for an question about fetchmail, inboxmonitor and evolution mail...
[07:37] <setite> Welcome to the DRI Driver Installation Script
[07:37] <setite> The package you downloaded is for the following driver:
[07:37] <setite> Driver Name    : gdg
[07:37] <setite> Description    : Intel 830M/845G/852GM/855GM/865G/GDG Driver
[07:37] <ogra> setite: hey
[07:37] <setite> Architecture   : I386
[07:37] <setite> Build Date     : 20040426
[07:37] <setite> Kernel Module  : gdg
[07:37] <setite> Optional Information
[07:37] <unperson> ogra, You missed the earlier conversation.  There's an apparent bug in the version in warty.  I wanted to see if it was still there in the latest version before complaining to the project.
[07:37] <ogra> setite: you are in the channel !!!!
[07:37] <Linuxnoob> i did a sudu pppconfig
[07:37] <setite> Driver Version      :
[07:37] <setite> Special Description :
[07:37] <setite> Press ENTER to continue or CTRL-C to exit.
[07:37] <setite> DIRECT RENDERING OPEN SOURCE PROJECT  -  DRIVER INSTALLATION SCRIPT
[07:37] <setite> [ http://dri.sourceforge.net ] 
[07:37] <setite> [07:37] <setite> Select from the following options:
[07:38] <no0tic> Larges pastes at  http://rafb.net/paste/
[07:38] <setite>   1. Install driver (default)
[07:38] <no0tic> Larges pastes at  http://rafb.net/paste/
[07:38] <unperson> paulproteus, Hold on a sec.
[07:38] <setite>   2. Uninstall driver
[07:38] <paulproteus> setite: Please be quiet.  You're rudely loud.
[07:38] <setite> Enter reponse [1-2] , or CTRL-C to exit
[07:38] <no0tic> Larges pastes at  http://rafb.net/paste/
[07:38] <setite> 1
[07:38] <no0tic> Larges pastes at  http://rafb.net/paste/
[07:38] <paulproteus> unperson: Okay.
[07:38] <no0tic> Larges pastes at  http://rafb.net/paste/
[07:38] <ogra> unperson: ah, ok..... then recompile, but it may need deps from hoary.....
[07:38] <Shimonn> my ethernet card doesn't work (as described here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9860 ) but works with ubuntu's live cd. should i install a 2.6.7 kernel (used by the live cd)
[07:38] <setite> DIRECT RENDERING OPEN SOURCE PROJECT  -  DRIVER INSTALLATION SCRIPT
[07:38] <setite> [ http://dri.sourceforge.net ] 
[07:38] <no0tic> setite
[07:38] <setite> [07:38] <no0tic> setite Larges pastes at  http://rafb.net/paste/
[07:38] <setite> The script will now compile the agpgart module and DRM kernel modules
[07:38] <ogra> setite: HEY
[07:38] <setite> for your machine.
[07:38] <ogra> !
[07:39] <setite> Press ENTER to continue or CTRL-C to exit.
[07:39] <setite> Compiling new agpgart module...
[07:39] <setite> ERROR: AGPGART module did not compile
[07:39] <setite> Compiling DRM module...
[07:39] <setite> ERROR: Kernel modules did not compile
[07:39] <setite> The DRI drivers can not be installed without the latest kernel modules.
[07:39] <no0tic> kick him!
[07:39] <setite> Installation will be aborted. See the dri.log file for information on
[07:39] <setite> what went wrong.
[07:39] <lilubu> you are a forgiving group of people
[07:39] <ogra> setite: STOP THAT ........................ P L E A S E
[07:39] <setite> setite@ubuntu:~/dripkg $
[07:39] <lilubu> or something :/
[07:39] <setite> wtf... i put /msg first
[07:39] <scizzo> setite: please stop flooding
[07:39] <setite> oh ok it worked i think
[07:39] <setite> i mean the msging
[07:39] <setite> shoor
[07:39] <setite> i tried to msg you
[07:39] <setite> i put "/msg ogra <text>"
[07:39] <setite> dont say it again
[07:39] <setite> hey i used /msg... i thought it'd work... shit happens
[07:39] <setite> i si stopped... once i do it i cant stop it
[07:40] <Linuxnoob> here is the forum link with all the info - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9926
[07:40] <paulproteus> setite: That must be done per-line.
[07:40] <paulproteus> Oh, well. ;)
[07:40] <setite> i tried to message him... and it didnt work
[07:40] <scizzo> setite: look again..you will see one line msged to him in that case
[07:40] <ogra> setite: use the ubuntu modules....
[07:40] <no0tic> setite: at least open a query with him...
[07:41] <Shimonn> where to download deb files for older kernel ?
[07:41] <ogra> setite: the one line you msgd me: <setite> setite@ubuntu:~ $ cd /home/setite/dripkg
[07:41] <TheSnowMan> anyone know anything about fetchmail?
[07:41] <setite> yea i will in future... im just used to using /msg
[07:41] <no0tic> brb
[07:42] <ogra> setite: and as i said.....use the ubuntu modules....i cant guess what and how you compiled what you compiled there.....
[07:42] <Shimonn> where are ubuntu's archives ? (i mean an url to download deb files)
[07:42] <setite> i didnt compile it
[07:42] <setite> i downloaded the driver from intel
[07:42] <ogra> archive.ubuntu.com
[07:42] <Shimonn> thx
[07:43] <paulproteus> Shimonn: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu :)
[07:43] <setite> already compiled
[07:43] <ogra> setite: it obviously tried to compile dri and agpgart....follow the instructions of the manufacturer if you urgently want external drivers
[07:43] <setite> ogra - that was the method that i tried with nomasteryoda
[07:43] <setite> i just want higher resolutions
[07:44] <setite> any method is fine :)
[07:44] <ogra> setite: but i cant help you there...
[07:44] <setite> but i used the the command you gave me earlier
[07:44] <unperson> paulproteus, Well, this looks like it would work, except that it depends on a bunch of DLLs from hoary.
[07:44] <setite> went through it all and then restarted x
[07:44] <setite> but i have no more choices
[07:44] <ogra> setite: if you never touched your X config manually the method of fabionne should have worked...
[07:44] <setite> ive never touched it
[07:44] <setite> tech9ne said something abotu having to select my monitor... i dont know how to do that
[07:45] <unperson> paulproteus, probably best not to mess with this.
[07:45] <Shimonn> witch kernel to use with AMD Athlon XP proc ? "k7" ?
[07:45] <unperson> Thanks for your help paulproteus and ogra.  Later.
[07:45] <ogra> setite: it is done automatically.... all you can do is adjust the settings with the dpkg-reconfigure command....
[07:46] <setite> ok should i try suo dpkg -reconfigure?
[07:46] <Linuxnoob> anyone have any suggestions for me and my modem?
[07:46] <setite> sudo dpkg -reconfigure?
[07:46] <ogra> Linuxnoob: the driver you compiled is loaded ?
[07:46] <setite> sudo dpkg- reconfigure?
[07:47] <ogra> setite: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:47] <setite> sudo dpkg-reconfigure?
[07:47] <Linuxnoob> drive I compiled?
[07:47] <ogra> setite: or for more options: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[07:47] <setite> ok im doing it now
[07:48] <Linuxnoob> I haven't compiled anything - no clue
[07:48] <setite> without the plow
[07:48] <sensebend> Linuxnoob, install build-essential
[07:48] <wezzer-> can somebody tell me, why there is no compiler in ubuntu by default?
[07:48] <ogra> Linuxnoob: conexant uses special drivers, they refuse to open the specs that would be needed for a open source one, so you have to use theirs
[07:48] <Linuxnoob> how would I use theirs?
[07:48] <Appolonius> hi again :) ive just burnt the ubuntu live cd, used it, but i cant seem to connect to the internet is there anyone who can help?
[07:49] <Linuxnoob> man conexant sucks :)
[07:49] <sensebend> wezzer, because they figured most end users won't use it
[07:49] <ogra> Linuxnoob: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto there are some instructions if you scroll down....
[07:49] <setite> ok ogra im through all that
[07:49] <setite> restart x?
[07:50] <sensebend> and I believe it was the correct choice
[07:50] <setite> or should i restart the whole pc
[07:50] <ogra> setite: what did you adjust ?
[07:50] <Linuxnoob> I really am looking forward to getting way from MS
[07:50] <sensebend> those who need it will be able to get it on their own
[07:50] <setite> nothing i didnt do last time
[07:50] <setite> at the last part i selected every resolution in the list
[07:50] <wezzer> sensebend: well yea, but it isn't many megabytes what it takes
[07:50] <ogra> setite: so what changes would you expect then ?
[07:50] <setite> fattione said hit enter a whole bunch of times
[07:51] <setite> and change the video memory to 4096
[07:51] <carambol> i try to install jre2...but problem with the "cd" commoand
[07:51] <sensebend> they need to be careful what packages they include by default to keep the install down to 1 CD
[07:51] <Appolonius> I was told if i have a pppoet connection that ubuntu dont autoconfig and i needed to manualy config can anyone help?
[07:51] <setite> i dont expect changes... but i dont know what i did wrong last time... i did what he told me
[07:51] <ogra> Linuxnoob: its not that easy..... thanks to companys like ati, nvidia or conexant.....
[07:51] <Appolonius> this is my first try into linux from windows
[07:51] <carambol> cd jre-1_5_0_01-i586.bin
[07:51] <ogra> carambol: install te ubuntu package
[07:52] <ogra> the
[07:52] <carambol> this is not a direct or file
[07:52] <techn9ne> Appolonius, soon as you figure it out youll never go back
[07:52] <carambol> with synaptic
[07:52] <techn9ne> no viruses, no spyware, no defragging ... it just works
[07:52] <ogra> carambol: method 0 there: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[07:52] <Appolonius> techn9ne: I hope so, but if i cant connect to internet its not much use :(
[07:52] <carambol> where i find i...is use the ubuntu-guide
[07:52] <lilubu> Apponoious i think the mentioned ppoeconf
[07:52] <lilubu> they
[07:52] <ogra> carambol: use the wiki
[07:52] <setite> ogra what changes should i make
[07:53] <no0tic> re
[07:53] <sensebend> carambol, http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:53] <carambol> and the smae prob witk realpl10Gold
[07:53] <ogra> setite: adjust Hsync and Vsync exactly for your monitor
[07:53] <setite> what if i dont know those
[07:53] <setite> am i SOL?
[07:53] <sensebend> what model is your monitor?
[07:53] <techn9ne> Appolonius, dialup or broadband?
[07:54] <setite> envision
[07:54] <setite> 775e i think
[07:54] <setite> thats what linux finds it to be
[07:54] <setite> should i google it
[07:54] <ogra> carambol: for most information the wiki is more reliable....it gets reviewed by developers....
[07:54] <carambol> ok
[07:54] <ogra> setite: it is most likely in the handbook....
[07:54] <setite> dunno where that is
[07:55] <Appolonius> techn9ne: broadband
[07:55] <carambol> ubuntu is nice and very very fast
[07:55] <setite> i found the monitor specs on the net though
[07:55] <setite> Max Resolution	1280 x 1024 / 60 Hz
[07:55] <setite> Max Sync Rate (V x H)	160 Hz x 72 kHz
[07:55] <techn9ne> Appolonius, did it dtect your ehternet card?
[07:55] <techn9ne> type ifconfig eth0
[07:56] <Appolonius> i know nothing about linux.. sorry or where yo look for that
[07:56] <no0tic> what kernel do I must install with an AthlonXP? I found two discording answers
[07:56] <ogra> setite: so make sure the X config has the right ones
[07:56] <Appolonius> techn9ne: i would have to reboot to go back to it
[07:56] <ogra> no0tic: k7
[07:56] <setite> ok
[07:57] <ogra> setite: you must specify a range there.....
[07:57] <setite> shoot... i dont know the lowest
[07:58] <no0tic> ogra: I found in the forum: linux-686 for newer Intel/AthlonXP
[07:58] <Appolonius> techn9ne: ok.. where would i type that at?
[07:58] <no0tic> ogra: posted by ubuntu-geek, administrator
[07:58] <ogra> no0tic: k7 is compiled for newer amd 32 bit CPUs
[07:58] <sensebend> try 56 for the lowest refresh and 30 for the lowest sync
[07:59] <ogra> no0tic: so it is the right one ..... 686 is P2 P3 P4...
[07:59] <techn9ne> Appolonius, into command prompt
[07:59] <Appolonius> ok
[07:59] <Appolonius> brb
[07:59] <techn9ne> see what it says... if it gives you info about your network card or not
[07:59] <setite> ok found the manual
[07:59] <ogra> no0tic: k6 is pre athlon/duron
[08:00] <no0tic> ogra: I agree with you.. so why in the forum they're telling something else?
[08:00] <ogra> no0tic: dunno, i never read forums :)
[08:00] <setite> what do i use for pdf?
[08:01] <ogra> they dont get hit by phpbb worms :)
[08:01] <sensebend> setite, either xpdf or acrobat reader
[08:01] <ogra> setite: try a doubleclick
[08:02] <setite> oh yea i need to install w32 codes
[08:02] <setite> sudo -i w32.deb right
[08:02] <ogra> setite: what for ?
[08:02] <setite> i dunno why not
[08:02] <setite> some music vids no workie
[08:03] <ogra> setite: you missed a dpkg there.....
[08:03] <setite> yea i realized when it said illegal action
[08:03] <sensebend> setite, after you have Marrilot's repo sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[08:04] <setite> yea i downloaded the file
[08:04] <setite> he has his own repo?
[08:04] <setite> i just downloaded the fiel
[08:04] <ogra> sensebend: you shouldnt suggest marillat, its badly broken
[08:05] <ogra> sensebend: the dependencys dont match anymore for warty since some weeks.....
[08:05] <liN\arP> anyone in here which can help me set up fetchmail and inbox monitor?
[08:05] <sensebend> on the w32codecs package?
[08:05] <sensebend> I know the mplayer repos on there are horribly broken now :)
[08:06] <setite> ok well i need divx i think
[08:06] <ogra> sensebend: nope, on all the rest... but to avoid confusion the manual install of w32codecs is far better.....
[08:07] <setite> well i installed it and my videos still dont work
[08:07] <setite> so i assume they are in divx....
[08:08] <ogra> setite: what player so you use ?
[08:08] <ogra> do
[08:08] <setite> ummmm...
[08:08] <setite> it auto-opens with toem
[08:08] <setite> totem*
[08:09] <paulproteus> setite: I suggest you follow the help on RestrictedFormats on the wiki and use totem-xine.
[08:09] <ogra> setite: ahh... install the totem-xine package then....it uses the w32codecs.....
[08:09] <setite> yes milord
[08:10] <ucblockhead> Anyone else have a problem where XMMS hangs every time you try to play something (flac or mp3)?
[08:10] <setite> is there a better media player for videos?
[08:10] <techn9ne> i use totem
[08:10] <setite> it looks like win95 media player
[08:10] <paulproteus> setite: Me, too, after switching to totem-xine.
[08:10] <techn9ne> yea totem-xine
[08:11] <techn9ne> reg. xine is good too
[08:11] <setite> ok so totem-xine is an actual proggy... not drivers
[08:11] <setite> i mean codecs and stuff
[08:11] <setite> k
[08:11] <kagou> i'm playing with grub install problem on AMD64 :(  I don't understand why installer freeze, and under the console and after a chroot grub-install works ?!
[08:12] <ogra> kagou: what filesystem do you use ?
[08:12] <setite> where did it go
[08:12] <techn9ne> not sure if totem-xine is a plugin for totem or totem w/ xine engine
[08:12] <setite> damnit brb
[08:12] <sensebend> techn9ne, I'm not sure either
[08:13] <sensebend> I use gxine mostly though :)
[08:13] <techn9ne> it plays everything though and doesnt hassle me
[08:13] <ogra> techn9ne: totem-xine just changes totems backend from gstreamer to xine
[08:13] <ucblockhead> Or perhaps I should ask: has anyone gotten XMMS to successfully work?
[08:13] <spikeb> heh
[08:13] <techn9ne> i got xmms to work
[08:13] <spikeb> i haven't even tried
[08:13] <sensebend> ucblockhead, I'm sure most of us have
[08:13] <paulproteus> techn9ne: It's a different backend for totem.
[08:13] <techn9ne> apt-get install xmms
[08:13] <ucblockhead> It hangs for me on playback.  Rhythmbox and totem both play fine.
[08:14] <ogra> ucblockhead: the ubuntu package should just work fine...execpt for nvidia users.....thanks to nvidia there is a bug in the driver.....
[08:14] <paulproteus> ucblockhead: Try apt-get installing xmms-esd , the esound output plugin, and switching to the esound output driver in xmms.
[08:14] <lilubu> The following packages have been kept back:
[08:14] <lilubu>   hotplug linux-image-2.6-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6-386
[08:14] <lilubu> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[08:14] <techn9ne> xmms is pretty old
[08:14] <techn9ne> needs to be updated
[08:14] <paulproteus> ucblockhead: That "should" do the trick.
[08:14] <spikeb> lilubu, you need to dist-upgrade to get those upgraded
[08:14] <lilubu> why would that be held back from me ?
[08:14] <ucblockhead> paulproteus: thanks.  I'll give that a shot.
[08:15] <ogra> techn9ne: it already is..... there is beep
[08:15] <lilubu> does that make me run hoary ?
[08:15] <spikeb> lilubu, no
[08:15] <lilubu> ok
[08:17] <Ran> hello, why Flash play capacity is not included by default? (I already installed, but I want to know why is not standart component)
[08:18] <techn9ne> is beep any good i heard it wasnt
[08:18] <ucblockhead> paulproteus: thanks, that did it!
[08:19] <boo> Hello. I am having some wiered problems with OSS and ALSA drivers being loaded for the same sound card with Ubuntu 4.1
[08:19] <ogra> kagou: lets go on here,  because it belongs rather in this channel .... can you hit ctrl-alt-f3 to see if there are errors in the last lines ?
[08:19] <boo> can you help with the set of commands to verify whats hapennignto to the sound that does not come out of the card
[08:20] <boo> Ran: what is the debian package name for Flash player?
[08:20] <ogra> boo: which drivers are loaded wrong ? snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss are needed.....
[08:21] <kagou> ogra, "grub is already the newest version"
[08:21] <ogra> boo: any other oss drivers ?
[08:21] <ogra> kagou: hmm, looks not like an error......
[08:21] <Ran> boo: flashplayer-mozilla
[08:22] <kagou> ogra, no and under Alt-F4 no error
[08:22] <boo> ogra: sorry something came up ...will try to resume this in an hour if you are around ...thanks anyway
[08:22] <ogra> boo: k
[08:23] <ogra> kagou: i'm not sure which exactly is the error console....try f2 - f4 there should be a lot of msgs in one of them
[08:23] <kagou> no errors ogra
[08:24] <ogra> kagou: hmm..... at least there should be a list of the commands that were run....
[08:27] <ogra> kagou: what is the error you get i the installer screen ? hao long did you give grub to finish (how long did you wait ?)
[08:27] <ogra> how
[08:28] <kagou> ogra, too much
[08:28] <Appolonius> techn9ne: ok it said it cannot detect my ethernet
[08:28] <JoRock> how can I change my window manager from the default to something light weight?
[08:28] <ogra> kagou: heh, what is too much for you ?
[08:28] <kagou> with hoary (i386) i wait and after i came back automatically to menu not in amd64 version
[08:29] <kagou> now half an hour :p
[08:29] <Appolonius> techn9ne: DSL into westell modem into the ethernet on my motherboard is what i got
[08:30] <ogra> kagou: hmm, but the rest of the install went fine ?
[08:31] <kagou> the begining  yes
[08:31] <setite> hey ogra
[08:31] <setite> whats that command again
[08:31] <spikeb> Ran, because it's non-free - so they leave it out by default
[08:31] <kagou> after i switch to Alt+F2, mount /dev/hda3 under p
[08:31] <spikeb> Ran, same as with the binary drivers
[08:32] <kagou> do a chroot and grub-install , so update-grub and reboot
[08:32] <eurotrash> so does anyone know how to fix "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000002"
[08:32] <ogra> kagou: and that worked ?
[08:32] <eurotrash> I've looked on google and nothin, just people posting the problem
[08:32] <ogra> kagou: i.e. the system boots ?
[08:33] <etorix> kagou .. re-run grub
[08:33] <abelli> eurotrash: why that error'
[08:33] <ogra> setite: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ?
[08:33] <eurotrash> dunno, I'm trying to install and I get that
[08:33] <setite> yup
[08:33] <setite> thats it
[08:33] <setite> the xserver i couldnt remember
[08:33] <ogra> etorix: he already has......in a chroot.....
[08:34] <eurotrash> abelli: It goes through, checks my cpu and whatnot then gets stuck on that.  I can't even get to an install screen
[08:34] <kagou> ogra after the reboot, keyboard and locales are not configured
[08:34] <abelli> eurotrash: sorry i can't help
[08:34] <kagou> and the system is not installed
[08:34] <ogra> kagou: run base-config
[08:34] <etorix> hmm .. i had to run grub twice to get it to work ok
[08:34] <eurotrash> abelli: that's what I was afraid of...
[08:34] <ogra> kagou: that is normally the first thing run after the first reboot.....
[08:34] <eurotrash> has anyone come across this?  "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000002"
[08:35] <ogra> kagou: ....it does the second part of the install
[08:36] <kagou> thnx ogra
[08:36] <no0tic> re
[08:36] <eurotrash> Ogra:  you have any idea about this? "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000002"
[08:36] <ogra> eurotrash: looks like an apic thing.....
[08:36] <eurotrash> ogra: what do I do?
[08:37] <ogra> eurotrash: dunno....just looking at it
[08:37] <eurotrash> ogra: I've looked it up on google, and just find others with the problem.  I've tried updating bios and stuff and still the same prob
[08:38] <eurotrash> ogra: it happens when I boot with the cd and leading into install
[08:41] <kagou> ++
[08:42] <eurotrash> aight...heading back to work.  if anyone comes up with any Ideas...drop me a line
[08:42] <eurotrash> ESR value before enabling vector: 00000002
[08:42] <setite> ogra... ok well i found the ranges
[08:42] <setite> so what else do i do besides inputting them
[08:43] <felixdz> Back having another go at trying to get my webcam to work...
[08:43] <ogra> eurotrash: i dunno if there are any options you can give the installer on boot, but somethibng like nolapic should help
[08:43] <felixdz> with gnomemeeting.
[08:43] <ogra> setite: nothing....restart the X server
[08:43] <setite> hmmm... will that work... i mean using the default ranges did nothing
[08:44] <setite> oh yea
[08:44] <setite> what is 64megs in kb
[08:44] <felixdz> Tried xawtv got this message can't open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[08:44] <felixdz> Wierd because lsusb shows my webcam
[08:44] <ogra> felixdz: you need te right module for your camera and the videodev module
[08:45] <setite> fattione or whatever his name was told me to check the video memory in the bios... its 64
[08:45] <kebac> setite: it's 64MB
[08:45] <setite> but it wants that in kb
[08:45] <felixdz> thanks ogra whats the best plan for getting the right module.
[08:45] <felixdz> Google?
[08:45] <kebac> setite: why
[08:45] <setite> 65536
[08:45] <adam_> can someone help me install java vm on ubuntu
[08:46] <setite> shit how would i know.. it wants it that way... ask ubuntu
[08:46] <kebac> setite: there is a difference in MB and Mb
[08:46] <setite> KB
[08:46] <setite> K
[08:46] <adam_> can someone help me install java vm on ubuntu
[08:46] <kebac> setite: also a difference with KB and Kb
[08:46] <davmor2> ogra you still about
[08:46] <setite> well 64megs is not 64000 kb
[08:47] <setite> ogra - do i use kernel framebuffer?
[08:47] <kebac> setite: definitely not
[08:47] <ogra> davmor2: with half an eye......
[08:47] <adam_> can some one help me install java vm on ubuntu
[08:47] <setite> kebac - i know there is a difference
[08:47] <kebac> setite: you say 64 000KB. but since MB consists of 1024KB:s, it is 65536KB
[08:47] <setite> oh i see the confusiong
[08:47] <setite> i didnt mention that the 64 was mb
[08:48] <setite> so you were answering that... ok
[08:48] <setite> yea i know the 1024 thing too
[08:48] <setite> but i dont know how to make this video work
[08:48] <kebac> setite: no, usually video memory is expressed as MB:s
[08:48] <kebac> setite: MB = megabytes, Mb = megabits
[08:48] <setite> anyone know if i should use kernel framebuffer
[08:48] <setite> oh i see what you mean
[08:48] <setite> i dont specify that
[08:48] <Mabus> erm.. I need some help installing *ahem* WinXP. heh. I need to use 3rd party RAID drivers, but I don't have a floppy drive; how can I make the installer/setup look at the CDD for drivers instead of the FD?
[08:48] <kebac> setite: i have never seen anywhere video memories as bits
[08:48] <setite> mb is megabytes to me... i never talk abotu bits
[08:49] <davmor2> ogra finally found out what the problem was with the boot up the kernel that comes with 64bit version is  ...........-04 the modified glx-nvidia kernel is ..........-03 so by default grub installs the highest
[08:49] <Mabus> (it's not my computer, so I can't choose what to install)
[08:49] <kebac> setite: you should start talking...
[08:49] <setite> nah.. never need to discuss megabits, kilobits and bits
[08:49] <kebac> setite: except when talking about network
[08:49] <setite> kebac do you know if i need to use kernel frambuffering
[08:49] <kebac> setite: i dont
[08:49] <setite> yea but i still never talk abotu them...
[08:49] <setite> ok
[08:50] <setite> hmmm next tiem around ill say yes if this doesnt work
[08:50] <ogra> davmor2: ah, good to know...i ordered a 64bit machine with nvidia inside yesterday....thanks for reporting...so you got it working ?
[08:50] <kebac> setite: to avoid confusion you really should use correct units...
[08:51] <davmor2> ogra new problem now though trying to run doom3 it changes my resolution freezes up my mouse and crashes out but I can't properly see what the problem is where would there be a log for it
[08:51] <setite> ah bahumbug... if the person i speak to can't tell i will end the conversation
[08:52] <ogra> davmor2: either in /var/log/XFree86.0.log or in ~/.xsession-errors
[08:52] <davmor2> ogra But neverwinter nights has never run so well
[08:52] <ogra> heh
[08:52] <ogra> davmor2: probably doom3 specific.....
[08:54] <ericf> I have a multimedia (yes, unsupported) problem with a specific video: I can hear the audio with totem (no video, can't see any divx with totem), see the video with xine (no audio, other files work with a&v), and no audio nor video in mplayer (although other files work fine). I installed xine-ui, gmplayer and w32codecs as described by ubuntuguide.org... Any ideas how to merge the audio from totem and video from xine?
[08:54] <setite> dont take this wrong ogra
[08:54] <davmor2> ogra doom3 on windows is cpu and memory intensive in linux 32bit ran smooth as nut on my nvidia 128 5900 card and people said they were struggling with it inwindows
[08:54] <setite> but i think i love you
[08:54] <setite> ;)
[08:54] <setite> it worked....
[08:54] <setite> the key was manually selecting the resolution... not ranges or shit like that
[08:55] <setite> or it could have been enabling framebuffer
[08:55] <setite> 60 hz seems to flicker a bit though
[08:56] <davmor2> ericf if you have installed mplayer just start it up and select the file should run sweet as a nut
[08:58] <ericf> davmor2: Yes, I can use mplayer, and all files work, except this one
[08:58] <ericf> it shows no audio, no video
[08:58] <ericf> it does show single frames though, when i scroll the video with <- and ->
[08:59] <davmor2> ericf only other thing to do is install video4linux i think it is hang on and I'll check for you
[09:00] <occy> upgrading to hoary.
[09:00] <setite> now im empty
[09:00] <setite> i have nothing to fix on linux
[09:00] <occy> setite, heh
[09:00] <setite> with fedora i never had a period like this
[09:01] <ericf> davmor2: I don't know... It looks like all the data is IN the file, and they can both be read... But not by the same program.
[09:01] <occy> setite, BreakYourUbuntu!
[09:01] <davmor2> ericf divx4linux and mencoder are recommended for divx and xvid playback
[09:01] <occy> heh
[09:01] <felixdz> For logitech webcams is it qc-usb?
[09:02] <felixdz> I get  sudo modprobe qc-usb
[09:02] <felixdz> FATAL: Module qc_usb not found.
[09:02] <davmor2> ericf and thats by mplayer
[09:02] <ericf> davmor2: ah, i see they're in multiverse. I'll try them
[09:03] <occy> man, why do all gnome themes have to suck?
[09:03] <setite> how would i go about getting ffmpeg
[09:03] <occy> setite, apt-cache search ffmpeg
[09:03] <sladen> apt-get
[09:03] <davmor2> occy I got loads off bittorrent
[09:03] <occy> setite, and then find out what the latest is... and then apt-get install it.
[09:03] <setite> i have a mission to prove linux superiority to overclock.net by comparing ffmpeg on ubuntu and on winxp
[09:04] <occy> davmor2, loads of sucky gnome themes?
[09:04] <occy> davmor2, :)
[09:04] <ericf> davmor2: No luck. But that's for encoding... How is it relevant?
[09:04] <occy> davmor2, art.gnome.org  in case you haven't seen it.
[09:05] <setite> setite@ubuntu:~ $ sudo apt-cache search ffmpeg
[09:05] <setite> Password:
[09:05] <setite> gstreamer0.8-misc - Collection of various GStreamer plugins
[09:05] <setite> i need an encoding program... thats not right
[09:05] <setite> should i just google it
[09:05] <Appolonius> can anyone help with my network problem? im using pppoe i went threw the pppoeconf wizard and it said i was connected but i wasnt
[09:05] <ericf> davmor2: now, something I did broke the xine video output as well... :)
[09:06] <davmor2> ericf no idea I'm trying to install from sratch so I can play w32codec on a 64bit machine so I just downloaded everthing on the list
[09:06] <bassinboy> i can't get my ubuntu grub entry to work :(
[09:06] <davmor2> ericf exactly what is the file
[09:07] <jdodson> anyone got nat working in ubuntu?
[09:07] <ericf> It's an .avi file from 'A Clockwork Orange'
[09:07] <ericf> davmor2: a bit to big to mail it to you
[09:08] <ericf> jdodson: I got it working on debian, it requires a few simple commands and packages, which I forgot (try google). But today I saw firestarter, a gtk firewall frontend which looks nice. Try it, it has an option for nat.
[09:08] <davmor2> ericf some .avi files simply won't play if they have any sort of rights managment on them
[09:09] <jdodson> ericf: i did, except that it doesnt work.   i have dhcp setup, i wonder if it is configged wrong.
[09:09] <ericf> davmor2: Of course, but the audio works in totem and 30 minutes ago (I broke something) the video in xine
[09:10] <ericf> jdodson: you mean the computer that should do nat receives a lease from a dhcp server?
[09:11] <netmonk> Does anyone use Ubuntu on ibook or can someone point me to some kind of guide for installing warty on ibook?
[09:12] <felixdz> I seem to have pwc module and the videodev modules but gnomemeeting still doesn't detect my webcam
[09:12] <davmor2> ericf did you do all the plugins for gstreamer or just half if you take a look though synaptic there are two sets of gstreamer plugins highlight both
[09:14] <setite> how do i compile things
[09:14] <setite> ffmpeg comes in source
[09:14] <setite> sudo make
[09:14] <setite> sudo make install
[09:14] <setite> ?
[09:15] <occy> setite, you can try this:
[09:15] <occy> http://occy.net/node/64
[09:16] <davmor2> occy want some backdrops
[09:16] <occy> davmor2, naw, thanks though.
[09:16] <setite> ok?
[09:16] <setite> i dont get it
[09:16] <setite> apt-get build-dep APPLICATION
[09:16] <ericf> davmor2: I got all gstreamer stuff... But i'm a step backwards, I can't play the video in xine anymore. I think I'll just give up this file :-/
[09:16] <occy> yeah
[09:17] <occy> setite, apt-get build-dep ffmpeg
[09:17] <setite> ok
[09:17] <Quest-Master> Even after me disabling ipv6, my Firefox is as slow as hell x_X
[09:17] <occy> setite, then, you should be able to compile that source you found.
[09:17] <davmor2> there fun and they brighten up any theme no matter how dull
[09:17] <setite> setite@ubuntu:~/ffmpeg-cvs-2004-11-10 $ sudo apt-get build-dep ffmpeg
[09:17] <setite> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:17] <setite> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:17] <setite> E: Unable to find a source package for ffmpeg
[09:17] <setite> setite@ubuntu:~/ffmpeg-cvs-2004-11-10 $
[09:17] <occy> use #flood for pasting more than 2 lines.
[09:17] <occy> please
[09:17] <setite> more than 2!
[09:18] <setite> oh wow
[09:18] <setite> nah.. from now on ill just say it didnt work
[09:19] <occy> bbl
[09:19] <setite> well i dunno why you keep suggesting apt-get
[09:19] <setite> its not on the ubuntu repos
[09:19] <davmor2> occy if your so unhappy with the gnome status quo theme why not make you own and release it
[09:25] <setite> oooh i need BT
[09:25] <setite> is there one on the repo by any chance
[09:25] <jdodson> ericf: no i mean that the NAT server has a dhcpd server running on it.
[09:27] <ogra> setite: ffmpeg is in the repo....
[09:27] <davmor2> setite I think it is just the codecs on the servers use synaptic go to alphabetical and f
[09:27] <ogra> setite: its in multiverse
[09:28] <setite> how do i add that
[09:28] <ericf> jdodson: http://documents.made-it.com/Debian_Internet_Server/Debian_Internet_Server-13.html
[09:28] <setite> or should i have multiverse
[09:29] <ogra> setite: add it in synaptic....right behind the word universe....then reload
[09:29] <ericf> jdodson: if that's not enough, try apt-get install ipmasq too
[09:29] <setite> ?
[09:29] <setite> multiverse, univer
[09:29] <setite> se
[09:29] <setite> multiverse, universe
[09:30] <jdodson> ericf i will try it out.
[09:30] <davmor2> setite http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[09:30] <ogra> setite: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[09:30] <jdodson> ericf: i have firestarter installed and configured will this interfere with that?
[09:31] <jdodson> ericf: should i shutoff the dhcp server?
[09:31] <gommans> I noticed on the forums that the issue many people have with adsl/dhcp after installation is not solved for most of them....they do not get answers. Is there a place where I can find out how to solve the problem?
[09:31] <ericf> jdodson: 1) who knows 2) no need
[09:31] <jdodson> ok
[09:33] <davmor2> ogra where do you walk your dog
[09:33] <ogra> davmor2: a bit south eastern of you.....
[09:33] <ogra> davmor2: ... in germany....
[09:33] <ogra> :)
[09:34] <cartman> how can I change system's language that I chose in installer?
[09:34] <davmor2> just a bit south eastern then me in the england like.  :)
[09:34] <trey3> cartman, dpkg-reconfigure base-config
[09:34] <ogra> cartman: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:34] <cartman> trey3: tried that but it didn't do anything
[09:35] <davmor2> ogra looks lovely though
[09:35] <node500> anyone familiar with wireless under ubuntu ?
[09:35] <gommans> I noticed on the forums that the issue many people have with adsl/dhcp after installation is not solved for most of them....they do not get answers. Is there a place where I can find out how to solve the problem?
[09:35] <trey3> cartman, dpkg-reconfigure debconf first and set to low priority...
[09:35] <node500> my 3com wifi card keeps flashing
[09:35] <cartman> ogra: hmm I have done that selected tr_TR.UTF-8 but still can't use turkish chars in tty consoles
[09:35] <cartman> any ideas?
[09:35] <ogra> davmor2: it is...i never was in the highlands... but from what i know i would call it the german highlands here :)
[09:35] <jdodson> ericf: no dice
[09:36] <ogra> davmor2: ... and it is also rough and windy here......
[09:36] <ogra> cartman: tr_TR.UTF-8 or tr_TR.UTF-8 @euro ?
[09:37] <cartman> ogra: tr_TR.UTF-8
[09:37] <lizdeika_> damn i feel stupid but how do i add smth to Applications menu ? :)
[09:37] <ogra> cartman: these euro locales were a mistake and are broken, that would explain it....but else...hmm
[09:37] <cartman> ogra: weirdly was working fine in sid
[09:37] <ogra> lizdeika_: hit ctrl-L in nautilus and open: applications://
[09:38] <trey3> Ahh... now Ubuntu turned off menu editing too?  lame  :/
[09:38] <ericf> jdodson: I don't have time, try google. Remember to `cat 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward', and good luck.
[09:38] <trey3> At least they don't tease I guess  :/
[09:38] <gommans> No help here? thanks!
[09:38] <jdodson> ericf: i got it.
[09:38] <jdodson> added the dns.
[09:38] <jdodson> thanks
[09:38] <lizdeika_> "applications:///" is not a valid location.
[09:38] <ericf> good
[09:38] <ogra> lizdeika_: hoary ?
[09:38] <lizdeika_> yes
[09:39] <ogra> lizdeika_: no way
[09:39] <lizdeika_> no menu editing for me :)
[09:39] <ogra> nope
[09:39] <trey3> lizdeika, lies... just no obvious way  :/
[09:39] <ogra> not yet....
[09:39] <trey3> Gotta play with config files...
[09:39] <sensebend> I just want to know how I got the debian menu in hoary :)
[09:39] <sensebend> hehe
[09:39] <trey3> sensebend, you installed 'menu'...
[09:39] <ogra> lizdeika_: there is something great in the works.... until then edit a .desktop file.....
[09:40] <trey3> ogra, haha @ something great for menu editing... the old way was fine imo  :/
[09:40] <lizdeika_> ok
[09:40] <ogra> trey3: you havent seen the new way, have you ?
[09:40] <sensebend> hmm I must not have been paying attention to what extras some of the applications I've been playing with installed
[09:40] <trey3> ogra, nope  :/
[09:40] <trey3> ogra, linkage?
[09:41] <sensebend> so if I remove menu, does the debian menu go away?
[09:41] <setite> hey
[09:41] <setite> my mp3s wont play
[09:41] <trey3> sensebend, it should, yes.
[09:41] <setite> it just scrolls down the list hella fast
[09:41] <trey3> setite, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:41] <setite> nah
[09:41] <setite> already did all that
[09:41] <ogra> trey3: not yet.....
[09:41] <setite> it worked
[09:41] <trey3> uhh sudo (what_I_said)
[09:41] <setite> does it not like pls files?
[09:42] <trey3> setite, I have one playing right now  :/
[09:42] <sensebend> thanks trench
[09:42] <sensebend> err trey3
[09:42] <sensebend> gotta love autocomplete :)
[09:42] <ogra> setite: depends on the pls file.....
[09:42] <spikeb> lol
[09:42] <spikeb> yeah
[09:42] <jkelly> i need some help with gaim. i've tried to install the latest version from source and it's completely messed up. i can't install gaim that comes with ubuntu, how can i completely remove gaim from ubuntu?
[09:42] <sensebend> apt-get remove gaim --purge
[09:43] <ogra> sensebend: sudo
[09:43] <jkelly> thanks, i'll try it.
[09:43] <spikeb> jkelly, apt-get remove --purge gaim, then rm the source by hand
[09:43] <sensebend> yeah that too :P
[09:43] <spikeb> jkelly, you need sudo
[09:43] <spikeb> heh
[09:43] <jkelly> ok
[09:43] <ogra> *g*
[09:43] <jkelly> thanks
[09:43] <spikeb> i forget about that somtimes
[09:43] <sensebend> sorry about that, thanks ogra
[09:43] <spikeb> heh
[09:43] <setite> well it was the list
[09:43] <Gaaruto> hi
[09:43] <setite> i noticed it didnt load right
[09:43] <sensebend> I dunno what I'd do without ogra always double checking my advice :)
[09:43] <setite> it said its name in track 1
[09:44] <setite> and the number of songs on it in track two....
[09:44] <lizdeika_> Azureus works damn good
[09:44] <setite> oh yea i need azureus
[09:44] <jkelly> it says that gaim is not installed, but when i try to run it, it runs the latest version of gaim which needs ssl support.
[09:44] <lizdeika_> way more responsive than on windows.xp
[09:45] <sensebend> you can have mine setite, I think I'm going back to the official client
[09:45] <spikeb> jkelly, you need to remove the source you compiled
[09:45] <davmor2> bit tornado is on the repos saves arsing around installing azureus
[09:45] <lizdeika_> minimizes to tray and stuff :)
[09:45] <ogra> jkelly: did you try to just install the ubuntu gaim over the selfcompiled one ?
[09:45] <gen> bittornado is lame
[09:45] <lizdeika_> bittornado was unable to download
[09:45] <davmor2> but i must admit azurues is nicer
[09:46] <sensebend> Azureus likes to randomly crash on me
[09:46] <gen> using which java version sensebend
[09:46] <ogra> jkelly: its likely that you need to wipe out the config, it will probably check for the right program version
[09:46] <jkelly> how do i remove the source for gaim?
[09:46] <sensebend> 1.5 gen
[09:46] <sensebend> lemme check though
[09:46] <ogra> jkelly: just remove the directory
[09:46] <gen> i use 1.4 and never had a crash, ever, odd.
[09:47] <jkelly> i have, i think.
[09:47] <sensebend> java -version java version "1.5.0_01"
[09:47] <ogra> jkelly: but that didnt remove the binary....
[09:47] <ogra> jkelly: just try to install the ubuntu version over it
[09:47] <sensebend> I'm going to the ncurses based official client
[09:47] <HaRDaWaY> hi
[09:47] <sensebend> hi HaRDaWaY
[09:47] <jkelly> how do u remove the binary, i've tried to install the ubuntu version but it won't work.
[09:48] <trey3> jkelly, how was it installed?  a .deb?
[09:48] <jkelly> no, from .tar.gz
[09:48] <trey3> ahh... good luck with that  :/
[09:48] <trey3> only way = tracking down each file...
[09:49] <trey3> there is a reason package managers were created...
[09:49] <ogra> jkelly: sudo rm /usr/local/share/gaim && sudo rm /usr/local/bin/gaim
[09:49] <jkelly> i'll try it.
[09:49] <trey3> If you really want Gaim gone... you're about to find out...
[09:49] <domenique> hello
[09:49] <Ti_Uhl> hello
[09:50] <srbaker> yo
[09:50] <Ti_Uhl> how do i install plugins for rhythmbox ?
[09:50] <jkelly> it can't remove gaim- /usr/local/bin/gaim: no such file or directory.
[09:50] <ogra> argh
[09:50] <Ti_Uhl> i've downloaded the osd plugin but i can't find anything on the net about how to install it
[09:51] <Ti_Uhl> the plugin consist of one python file but what do i have to do with it ?
[09:52] <ogra> jkelly: what says: which gaim
[09:52] <Ti_Uhl> i can't find a plugin dir for rhythmbox anywhere ?
[09:52] <ogra> jkelly: in a terminal....
[09:52] <jkelly> /usr/local/bin/gaim
[09:53] <jkelly> i don't get it, it seems it's there, but i have no idea how to get rid of it.
[09:53] <trey3> ogra, do me a favor... dpkg -L gaim ... then stop misleading him into thinking its as simple as you are making it seem  :/
[09:53] <gommans> OK, I will try installing Mepis then.....People at Mepis do help when you ask questions ;-)
[09:53] <trey3> gommans, peace out
[09:53] <ogra> jkelly: so will you do trey3 a favour.....
[09:53] <srbaker> gommans quit bitching
[09:54] <gommans> how often do I have to ask a question to get a reply here?
[09:54] <Appolonius> can anyone help me with getting my pppoe network running (ubuntu live cd)
[09:54] <srbaker> gommans what quetsion?
[09:54] <srbaker> question
[09:54] <gen> gommans, ungrateful
[09:54] <gommans> I noticed on the forums that the issue many people have with adsl/dhcp after installation is not solved for most of them....they do not get answers. Is there a place where I can find out how to solve the problem?
[09:54] <trey3> gommans, once if you ask the right question...
[09:54] <gommans> ungrateful? Are you god?
[09:55] <jkelly> dpkg says gaim isn't installed, will i need to download gaim again? in .deb?
[09:55] <gen> clearly
[09:55] <srbaker> gommans there is no god.
[09:55] <ogra> trey3: btw, there obviously is a gaim in /usr/local .... so how would _you_ get rid of it ?
[09:55] <gommans> and gen is certainly not him
[09:55] <ogra> jkelly: nope, just remove the one in /usr/local.....
[09:55] <neuro_> gommans: you can't expect an immediate answer in a busy channel like this, nor for a 100% assurance that someone in here will know exactly what your problem is and how to fix it
[09:55] <jkelly> how do i do that?
[09:56] <srbaker> jkelly apt-get install gaim
[09:56] <Ti_Uhl> gommans : tried installing dhclient3 ?
[09:56] <ogra> jkelly: try: ls -l /usr/local/bin/gaim
[09:56] <gommans> thank you for an answer, Ti_Uhl!
[09:56] <trey3> gommans, ps... for about 90% of your Ubuntu questions... what the Mepis people say will be valid... its all Debian  :/
[09:56] <gommans> No I did not. I am used to have it working right out of the box.
[09:57] <jkelly> tried it, says there is /usr/local/bin/gaim. what next?
[09:57] <Ti_Uhl> gommans : what would be the fun if things worked out of the box :)
[09:57] <gommans> I happen to look for that, Ti_Uhl ;-)
[09:57] <ogra> jkelly: show the output....
[09:57] <Ti_Uhl> gommans : then install windows :)
[09:57] <ogra> jkelly: i want to see why you cant delete it....
[09:58] <jkelly> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     staff    18983022 2005-01-03 18:48 /usr/local/bin/gaim
[09:58] <trey3> gommans, if you're not willing to learn... how can you expect we be willing to teach?
[09:58] <Ti_Uhl> :)
[09:58] <ogra> jkelly: hmm.... : sudo rm /usr/local/bin/gaim
[09:58] <Ti_Uhl> for the fun part about linux is when things don't work and u get them to work :)
[09:58] <ogra> jkelly: any errors ?
[09:59] <jkelly> no, i think it's gaim is gone.
[09:59] <Ti_Uhl> but anyway going off-topic here :)
[09:59] <jkelly> *gaim has gone
[09:59] <Ti_Uhl> gommans : did it work ?
[09:59] <Ti_Uhl> did u install dhclient3 ?
[09:59] <ogra> jkelly: now: sudo rm -rf /usr/local/share/gaim
[09:59] <gommans> I have it on my other computer! DHCP did not work, remember, Ti_Uhl ;-)
[10:00] <jkelly> no errors, looks like it's removed gaim.
[10:00] <ogra> jkelly: also gone ?
[10:00] <ogra> great
[10:00] <gommans> but I will give it a try!
[10:00] <Ti_Uhl> gommans : and u don't have access to the other computer ?
[10:00] <ogra> jkelly: now you could install the ubuntu package again if you want
[10:00] <TenPlus1> hi folks...
[10:00] <Ti_Uhl> gommans  : the exact package name is : dhcp3-client
[10:00] <gommans> Yes, but not to internet at the same time ;-)
[10:00] <gommans> thanks Ti_Uhl!
[10:00] <Ti_Uhl> gommans  : np
[10:00] <Ti_Uhl> :)
[10:00] <Ti_Uhl> and gl
[10:00] <Ti_Uhl> :)
[10:00] <DanielC> Hi. Quick question: Why does Ubuntu not have a firewall?
[10:01] <DanielC> (by default)
[10:01] <jkelly> i got gaim working with apt-get install gaim, thanks.
[10:01] <TenPlus1> Daniel: cause all the ports are closed until u use one
[10:01] <ogra> DanielC: because it has no ports open (by default)
[10:01] <DanielC> ok
[10:01] <DanielC> thanks
[10:01] <sensebend> DanielC, and also any user requiring a firewall should know enough to be able to do it themselves
[10:01] <Ti_Uhl> anyway does anyone know how to install a plugin for rhythmbox ?
[10:02] <trey3> DanielC, sudo apt-get install firestarter if you want a nice GUI firewall tool  ;)
[10:02] <TenPlus1> ogra: what packages do I need to install in the package proggy to be able to compile c packages...
[10:02] <sensebend> and it's better than annoying people, when they can't figure out why program X won't work right
[10:02] <ogra> TenPlus1: build-essential
[10:03] <ironwolf> can evolution check hotmail the same way outlook does? if so, where do I look to set this up?
[10:03] <TenPlus1> am trying to compile the new version of VLC Player but it always bombs out last minute
[10:03] <trey3> ironwolf, afaik.. no
[10:03] <jkelly> orga:is there any way to safely update to the latest version of gaim?
[10:03] <DanielC> sensebend: Could you explain that logic? That any user requiring a firewall should know enough to set it up?
[10:03] <davmor2> bob2 are you abou
[10:03] <ogra> DanielC: prepend misconfigured firewalls
[10:04] <davmor2> are you about even
[10:04] <ericf> I have really screwed something... First mplayer worked (package mplayer-k6). I was playing around with xine and mplayer, and now I can't install mplayer-k6 from marillat (see ubuntuguide.org) anymore. It depends on libarts (kde?), but I didn't have that installed previously either. A lot looks wrong, what to do?
[10:04] <zenrox> DanielC,  if you do have ports open you should know how to set them up and how to alow the tharu the firewall
[10:04] <Appolonius> can anyone help me with getting my pppoe network running (ubuntu live cd)?
[10:04] <ogra> ericf: the marillat repository has changed recently, its not compatible with warty anymore
[10:04] <DanielC> zenrox: Ok, that makes some sense. thanks.
[10:05] <ericf> ogra: I see. But... I run hoary
[10:05] <zenrox> DanielC,  n/p
[10:05] <sensebend> there's no listening ports by default, a firewall just isn't worth the confusion it will cause users
[10:05] <ogra> ericf: with the unstable or the testing repo ?
[10:05] <ironwolf> trey3: thanks
[10:05] <ogra> ericf: oh, btw, there is a mplayer package in hoary
[10:05] <jkelly> so.... ubuntu is secure without needing a firewall? ..
[10:05] <davmor2> ogra what repos are you using then
[10:06] <trey3> ogra, marillat's source should work with hoary (the unstable one anyway) ... should check that first  :)
[10:06] <ogra> jkelly: in the default setup yes.....
[10:06] <ogra> davmor2: multiverse holds mplayer and all that stuff.....
[10:06] <TenPlus1> ogra: "couldnt find package firestarter" ?? should it display that ?
[10:06] <GFXstyLER> hi
[10:06] <jkelly> oh right.
[10:07] <ogra> TenPlus1: enable universe: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[10:07] <GFXstyLER> what is a PnP Bios ?
[10:07] <davmor2> does the hoary mplayer work better than the current 64bit version
[10:07] <zenrox> GFXstyLER,  plug in play bios
[10:07] <davmor2> hum i wonder
[10:08] <DanielC> sensebend: Thanks.
[10:08] <felixdz> I am trying to install the module for my webcam from source but I am having problesms
[10:08] <ogra> davmor2: dunno....
[10:08] <felixdz> problems I mean
[10:08] <GFXstyLER> i get a " Warning! Your PnP BIOS caused a fatal error" when booting up, any ideas ?
[10:08] <jkelly> would it be pointless to get a 64-bit laptop because ubuntu will still have to run 32-bit applications. won't it?
[10:08] <felixdz> most important location is the path to your kernel source
[10:08] <felixdz> or headers.
[10:08] <sensebend> no problem
[10:08] <ericf> ogra: unstable/testing? I know that from debian, but not ubuntu. I have "hoary" in sources.list. Btw, I just used dpkg to install the old mplayer package from /var/cache/apt/archives/, and that would install -thanks. New problem - it won't play with xvideo!
[10:08] <felixdz> How do I find the kernel source.
[10:08] <davmor2> ogra don't suppose you have the hoary link save me looking do you
[10:09] <felixdz> I am looking in /usr/src
[10:09] <jkelly> i know you can get 64-bit ubutnu. well, u can get 64-bit suse.
[10:09] <ogra> ericf: marillat uses that ters too
[10:09] <ogra> terms
[10:09] <ogra> davmor2: just enable multiverse....
[10:10] <davmor2> jkelly my 64bit pc runs quite happily with ubuntu 64 bit
[10:11] <setite> why wouldnt it?
[10:11] <setite> 64 bit rocks my sox
[10:11] <setite> hey
[10:11] <setite> is there a daemon tools type app for linux
[10:11] <setite> that mounts isos and bin/cue in a virtual drive?
[10:11] <x66221> test
[10:12] <sensebend> if there is loopback devices in the kernel couldn't you just mount the file?
[10:13] <jkelly> can you download the latest version of gaim in .deb?
[10:14] <setite> sensebend im a noob... that didnt make an once of sense
[10:14] <Appolonius> can anyone help me with getting my pppoe network running (ubuntu live cd)?
[10:15] <ogra> jkelly: why dont you just use te ubuntu version ?
[10:15] <TenPlus1> ogra: Firestarter wont accept root password and start... any ideas ?
[10:16] <ogra> TenPlus1: the package has a bug.....
[10:16] <TenPlus1> ogra: so remove and try again ?
[10:16] <ogra> TenPlus1: edit the menu entry for firestarter
[10:16] <TenPlus1> oh
[10:16] <TenPlus1> 2 ticks
[10:16] <ogra> TenPlus1: change gksu to gksudo
[10:16] <jkelly> i am, i was just wanting to know if ubuntu would update the gaim package to the latest one.
[10:17] <ogra> jkelly: to the latest one available for warty.....
[10:17] <TenPlus1> ogra: thx :) works perfectly... ur a saint
[10:17] <ogra> jkelly: which is about 3 months old....
[10:18] <jkelly> 1.1.1 is out, ubuntu has still got 1.1.0, there's not that much of a difference.
[10:18] <jkelly> i did get 1.1.1 2 weeks ago by updating to hoary but it wrecked my pc, so i re-installed ubuntu.
[10:19] <x66221> would anyone have a few minutes to teach me how to install the game bzflag?  I have downloaded the source, but I'm a newbie and don't yet know how to compile and install it.
[10:20] <jkelly> you can get bzflag by doing sudo apt-get install bzflag.
[10:21] <jkelly> from the terminal.
[10:21] <davmor2> x66221 if you do the apt-get method you can run it as soon as it installs which is automatic
[10:21] <gen> anyone know when 2.6.10 will be in hoary
[10:22] <zenrox> gen,  its all ready thare
[10:22] <zenrox> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.10-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.908 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 316/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.86G Free: 30.10G Procs: 73 Uptime: 14 hrs 59 mins 27 secs Load: 1.22 1.56 1.68  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 787.89M Out: 45.17M
[10:23] <x66221> jkelly and davmor2: thanks.  I just tried "sudo apt-get install bzflag" and it did this: Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:23] <x66221> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:23] <x66221> E: Couldn't find package bzflag
[10:23] <gen> zenrox, odd, i only see 2.6.9
[10:23] <zenrox> gen do a updatew
[10:23] <gen> always do zenrox, which repos is it in
[10:23] <davmor2> x66221 have you added the universe and multiverse repositories
[10:24] <jkelly> if hoary was out how would you upgrade to the latest version, for example ubuntu 4.2. is it sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:24] <gen> ah i found it zenrox, nevermind
[10:24] <gen> :/
[10:24] <x66221> davmor2: no, how do I do that?
[10:24] <TenPlus1> davmor: is multiverse better than universe ? or the same
[10:24] <zenrox> i just did a smart update in snyatapic  and its updated my 2.6.9 kernel to th.10
[10:25] <davmor2> ten plus 1 multiverse is nonfree stuff so some of the source code and so on isn't available etc
[10:25] <jkelly> how do u do that? do you click on mark all upgrades?
[10:25] <davmor2> x66221 http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[10:27] <davmor2> x66221 you can simply copy and paste the repo list
[10:27] <TenPlus1> oh
[10:28] <Appolonius> ok once more then i think ill stick with windows for a while longer
[10:28] <Appolonius> can anyone help me with getting my pppoe network running (ubuntu live cd)?
[10:28] <davmor2> tenplus1 one isn't better than the other they are different
[10:30] <bkuebler> sup peeps?
[10:30] <gen> peep?
[10:30] <bkuebler> people.
[10:30] <bkuebler> peeps
[10:30] <bkuebler> *sigh* sorry.. american slang
[10:31] <ari_> hi
[10:31] <gen> hi ari_
[10:31] <bkuebler> anyway... has anyone tried the acpi scripts?
[10:31] <ari_> i want to know if someone know how to install the latex pacages
[10:32] <ari_> hi gen
[10:32] <arthurgeek> How to install mod_python in Ubuntu?
[10:33] <julien_> hi
[10:33] <ari_>  i want to know if someone know how to install the latex pacages
[10:33] <bkuebler> oh well, I guess I will have to try them out myself.
[10:33] <ari_> hi
[10:33] <ari_> someone who can help me
[10:34] <Gaaruto> hi
[10:34] <ogra> bkuebler: look for the suspend howto in the wiki
[10:34] <ari_>  i want to know if someone know how to install the latex pacages
[10:34] <bkuebler> ogra, i did. that is why I was asking about them.
[10:35] <bkuebler> I wanted to know if anyone knew how well they worked.
[10:35] <julien_> I have a problem with the drive-mount-applet in hoary: each time I start my computer, my USB drive is mounted and appears in the drive-mounter-applet. Then, if I un-plug it, it disappears. Finally, if I re-plug it, Nautilus opens a window pointing to it, but no icon appears in the drive-mounter-applet.
[10:35] <ogra> bkuebler: i use them on one of my laptops.....works fine there
[10:35] <julien_> Where could the problem come from ?
[10:35] <bkuebler> ogra, :-D
[10:35] <julien_> Gamin seems to be working OK...
[10:35] <bkuebler> cool.
[10:35] <bkuebler> thanks
[10:36] <ogra> bkuebler: i shut the lid and the thing goes to sleep....and even if a mp3 plays....it just starts to play on after opening the lid again
[10:36] <erik> hey, emacs's PCVS seems broken in ubuntu (used to work in debian) - when I commit a file with an $Id$ string in it, the buffer doesn't get reverted, even though the auto-revert variable is set (same .emacs as debian)
[10:36] <VictorVladimir> hi some body can help to debianmexico support?
[10:36] <erik> has anyone else noticed that / know how to fix it?
[10:36] <x66221> davmor2: awesome! thanks!  it installed and works great!  can I do the same "sudo apt-get install ..." for other applications like skype and some good pgp client?
[10:36] <bkuebler> ogra, that is exactly what I wanted to hear.
[10:36] <VictorVladimir> we have a congress in feb 2005
[10:36] <ogra> bkuebler: but i was told i'm one of the lucky ones, so dont rely too much on that info ;)
[10:37] <Gaaruto> someone know where to find this file please ? "kcmlinuz"
[10:37] <bkuebler> what laptop do you have/
[10:37] <bkuebler> ?
[10:37] <Gaaruto> i need it to install kde
[10:37] <VictorVladimir> and we want to talk about debian an any distribution of debian type
[10:37] <VictorVladimir> ubunti is one of this
[10:37] <ari_>  i want to know if someone know how to install the latex pacages
[10:38] <bkuebler> ari, go into synaptic and enable the other repositories.
[10:38] <ogra> bkuebler: the one i tried it is a toshiba tecra 8200
[10:38] <x66221> davmore2: actually, I just tried to get skype that way and it doesn't find it ... i'll do some more reading in the Starter Guide
[10:38] <bkuebler> I think I recall seeing it in there.
[10:38] <bkuebler> ogra, cool. I have a thinkpad
[10:38] <bkuebler> r32
[10:39] <ogra> bkuebler: i ordered such a monster yesterday: http://www.t-online-shop.de/tonline/product.do?action=getProductDetail&product=9533
[10:39] <bkuebler> very nice
[10:39] <bkuebler> a64++
[10:40] <ogra> bkuebler: two (!!) HDs
[10:40] <bkuebler> :D
[10:40] <ogra> by default
[10:40] <davmor2> x66221 the startguide is really useful
[10:41] <gen> i have a thinkpad also
[10:42] <occy> heh
[10:43] <occy> I knew hoary would give me fun.
[10:43] <ogra> lol
[10:43] <davmor2> ogra so you'll be installing the win xp that comes with it obviuosly erm not lol:)
[10:43] <zenrox> occy hoary has that every soofton it all breaks at once
[10:43] <gen> weendowzz
[10:43] <looksaus> piep onno1
[10:43] <occy> zenrox: triple my money back if I ain't 100% happy w/hoary.
[10:43] <ogra> davmor2: i bet the case will be much more ugly
[10:43] <Riddell> Gaaruto: kcmlinuz is dead, why do you need it?
[10:43] <occy> :)
[10:44] <zenrox> occy lol
[10:44] <occy> man... epic suxx0rz
[10:44] <occy> bbiab.
[10:44] <Gaaruto> Riddell, to try kde
[10:44] <ogra> davmor2: i think i will have to wipe the disk _cleeean_ before i nstall ubuntu on it ;)
[10:44] <zenrox> occy i fily got ubuntu on another box and have gdm logoin and ssh too
[10:44] <zenrox> its nice
[10:44] <zenrox> its nice
[10:44] <Riddell> Gaaruto: what are you trying to install?
[10:44] <occy> heh
[10:44] <zenrox> occy i fily got ubuntu on another box and have gdm logoin and ssh too
[10:44] <Gaaruto> to write a how-to
[10:45] <occy> zenrox cool
[10:45] <zenrox> ya its nice
[10:45] <occy> yah, warty is good for me until April.
[10:45] <zenrox> so i can gui and terminal
[10:45] <zenrox> thats what the other box is staying
[10:45] <zenrox> as werty
[10:45] <occy> or until I get bored one day, again.
[10:46] <Gaaruto> Riddell, to write a how-to
[10:46] <zenrox> lol
[10:46] <Gaaruto> under kde
[10:46] <davmor2> ogra i don't know I have seen some of the tosh's and they tend to be bulkier but nicer than most mind you there's a new hp laptop that comes with Suse 9.1 preinstalled and about time to
[10:46] <occy> hmmm... bbs, gotta do stuff.
[10:46] <ogra> davmor2: hmm, they should ship ubuntu instead.....
[10:46] <zenrox> ogra,  i agree
[10:46] <Ensiferum> trying to install ubuntu on my computer. i've got intel p4 on 875P, couple of sata drives and ide cd-rom and dvd drive. the installer prints out "no common cd-rom drive was detected". whats the deal?
[10:47] <zenrox> Ensiferum,  make your dvd and cd-rom drives master and slave not cable slect
[10:47] <davmor2> ogra Hey it's linux they are part way there at least it isn't linspire
[10:48] <ogra> heh
[10:48] <ogra> true.....
[10:48] <Ensiferum> zenrox: ok. gonna check it out. thanks!
[10:49] <zenrox> Ensiferum,  ok
[10:49] <ogra> davmor2: but i still wait for the day where i can call a HW supplier and say "please install linux on it" and he asks "which one... ?"
[10:49] <davmor2> oh ogra when you upgrade to 64 bit you lose the privilage of playing 32bit media or some of it at any rate
[10:50] <ogra> davmor2: nope....there is chroot for 32bit stuff.....even flash works ;)
[10:50] <davmor2> ogra i wait for the day when you can ask a supplier to install linux and they don't ask what linux is
[10:50] <ogra> lol
[10:50] <ogra> really true
[10:51] <ari_> did u know how instal java virtual machine
[10:51] <ogra> ari_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[10:51] <davmor2> how do you use chroot
[10:51] <ogra> ari_: use method 0
[10:51] <ari_> thaks very much
[10:52] <ari_> i gonna see it
[10:52] <ogra> davmor2: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30095/16/Debian-amd64-HOWTO.html#chroot
[10:52] <onno1> Why does ubuntu not have thunderbird 1.0
[10:52] <davmor2> ogra ta I will have a look
[10:53] <brk3> i just installed ubuntu :)
[10:56] <neofeed> okay I just found out ubuntu's live CD doesn't come with ieee driver...
[10:57] <neofeed> crap. How am I supposed to install ubuntu if I can not access my cddevice?
[10:57] <neofeed> I hope the warty install comes with it
[10:57] <davmor2> okay ogra i give in i've read it twice but i still don't get how it helps me out with the 32bit stuff
[11:01] <davmor2> ogra you still about
[11:02] <Ensiferum> zenrox: no, that's not it
[11:02] <riley> my ubuntu system can access exported nfs partitions on other systems, but when the other systems try to access its exported partitions, it doesn't allow access...
[11:02] <Ensiferum> zenrox: the drives are master and slave, but i still get the same error
[11:03] <neofeed> can I have a list of the shipped modules that come with ubuntu?
[11:04] <ogra> davmor2: yup...
[11:04] <davmor2> ensiferum have you installed from cd before
[11:05] <Ensiferum> davmor2: could you be a bit more specific?
[11:05] <davmor2> ogra i've read that page a couple of times and i don't get how it helps me out
[11:05] <_jon_> just installed warty and everything seems fine, except that the gnome-panel is blank and I can't right-click it
[11:06] <davmor2> ensiferum have you installed another linux or windows distro from boot up before
[11:06] <unperson> I'm not able to get the User Agent Switcher extention to work with firefox in warty.  Anyone else get this to work?
[11:06] <Ensiferum> davmor2: yeah, i have a windows and slackware installation
[11:06] <ogra> davmor2: it installs a stripped down system for you.....which is a 32 bit one in a chroot environment....there you can run any of the 32bit binarys
[11:07] <davmor2> oh okay I will have another read then ta
[11:08] <brk3> gnome-dial works fine for me, but i have to run it as root to get it pick up the modem. 1. is this a security risk? and 2. how can i make it so that it can detect the modem on a normal account
[11:08] <Yann2> hey :)
[11:08] <Yann2> we've got a french forum/site, does anyone know a way to get it added to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/local or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/forums/ ?
[11:08] <davmor2> ensiferum so what exactly is the problem it should install in exactly the same way
[11:09] <neofeed> can anyone create me some modules for warty install? in case they do not exist?
[11:09] <Ensiferum> davmor2: the problem is that the installer barfs. doesnt find any cd-rom drives.
[11:11] <davmor2> ensiferum you have probably tried this already but go into your bios and check all the settings match what they should read with the jumper settings you have etc
[11:12] <unperson> Hmm...nevermind.  Fixed.
[11:12] <davmor2> ensiferum also check if your dvd is bootable some ifound aren't
[11:12] <Ensiferum> davmor2: i just checked bios settings. no problems there.
[11:13] <Ensiferum> davmor2: i also tried to other drive
[11:13] <Ensiferum> i think this is a problem with SATA motherboard
[11:14] <brk3> gnome-dial works fine for me, but i have to run it as root to get it pick up the modem. 1. is this a security risk? and 2. how can i make it so that it can detect the modem on a normal account
[11:14] <Ensiferum> the motherboard settings identifies SATA 0 device as IDE 0 master and SATA 1 as IDE 0 slave
[11:14] <davmor2> ensiferum are the cd/dvd on sata
[11:14] <Ensiferum> davmor2: nope
[11:14] <nakeee> is there someone around who can explain me about the set up of ubuntu localization project?
[11:15] <riley> I can't mount my exported nfs filesystems on my other system, but my ubuntu system can mount nfs filesystems from the other
[11:15] <ogra> nakeee: look for rosetta in the wiki
[11:15] <davmor2> ensiferum check your bios to see if you have sata or ide as primary boot
[11:16] <nakeee> ogra: rosetta doesn't seem to have the biocracy info
[11:16] <nakeee> like name packages and the like
[11:16] <Ensiferum> davmor2: it boots fine off the cd
[11:18] <ogra> nakeee: if there is something else it is surely in the wiki, all official things are there...
[11:21] <davmor2> ensiferum if you have no installation then the problem is most likely to be down to settings so ether the bios is looking for something that isn't there or the jumpers are incorrect or the cable positions are wrong
[11:21] <mgotts> hi @ll
[11:22] <Doomhammer> hi all
[11:22] <Doomhammer> i'm trying to get MPlayer set up, but it says i need libpng
[11:23] <Doomhammer> how do i get that? apt-get install libpng didn't work
[11:23] <gen> doomhammer, apt-get install libpng12
[11:23] <Doomhammer> E: Couldn't find package libpng12
[11:23] <gen> libpng12-0
[11:23] <nakeee> ogra: if there is it's well hidden
[11:23] <Doomhammer> it says it's already installed...
[11:23] <Ensiferum> davmor2: dunno man, as far as the hw is concerned its all tip top. one drive has master jumpering and the other one has slave jumpering. on top of that the ide cable is one them cables with marked positions for slave/master drives. and thats not the problem. dont see anything in the bios either that could affect this.
[11:26] <ogra> davmor2: heh, i just saw that i pointed you to the wrong doc....sorry... : https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id274243
[11:27] <davmor2> ensiferum okay that ruled out which way around have you got your boot up because most sata boot raid devices first as standard and if you tell it to boot from cd but it looking at the hard drive it will throw up an error code
[11:27] <davmor2> ogra okay I'll bookmark and have a read ta
[11:28] <davmor2> ogra Makes a lot more sense now ta
[11:28] <davmor2> ;)
[11:29] <ogra> heh
[11:29] <ogra> yup
[11:29] <jeffvos2004> hello
[11:29] <ogra> i think i'll rewrite this for ubuntu if i got the machine up and running.....
[11:29] <Doomhammer> hi
[11:30] <davmor2> ogra think it might need it for those of us still learning linux at a rapid rate
[11:30] <felixdz> Hi can anybody tell me why I get sound and no picture with totem and picture but no sound with xine?
[11:31] <felixdz> Playing a dvd
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> because xine doesn't use esd
[11:31] <ogra> davmor2: but the better way would be to automate it and make it a default :)
[11:31] <ZzeCoOl> hello guys does anyone know how can i  check in uibuntu ...if my network card working in 10Mbit or 100 Mbit mode and how to change this ??? thanx a lot for any answers
[11:31] <felixdz> esd?
[11:31] <ZzeCoOl> *ubuntu* even
[11:31] <drspin> sounds like the video codec works in xine and not in Totem and vice-versa for audio
[11:31] <Doomhammer> felixdz: you can use MPlayer instead
[11:31] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: look for mii tools
[11:32] <neofeed> sick! ubuntu found my cdrom
[11:32] <ZzeCoOl> mii?
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> felixdz: esd is a sound daemon that makes mutliple sound sources work at once
[11:32] <ZzeCoOl> ogra: you halp me alot another time .... you are very kint
[11:32] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[11:32] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: yep, thats how the tools are called
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> catch is, it uses the soundcard so that other apps that don't use it don't work
[11:32] <felixdz> Thanks for those replies
[11:32] <ogra> :)
[11:32] <ZzeCoOl> ok thanx a lot
[11:32] <davmor2> ogra that would be like a dream come true
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> so if you open a terminal
[11:32] <ZzeCoOl> you are really very good person
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> and run 'killall esd'
[11:32] <Ensiferum> davmor2: i just noticed that the cd-roms are connected to ide 2 channel
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> xine will work
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> or if you use mplayer
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> like this:
[11:33] <Ensiferum> davmor2: maybe i oughta try ide 1 channel
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> mplayer -vo xv -ao esd dvd://
[11:33] <nakeee> ogra: what's te differance between country teams and drived distro?
[11:33] <Doomhammer> can MPlayer play MP4 files?
[11:33] <gen> mplayer can play anything :)
[11:33] <nakeee> Doomhammer: configured right yea
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> Doomhammer: yes
[11:34] <Doomhammer> good -- i downloaded "all" the codecs, so it should work fine
[11:34] <ogra> nakeee: knoppix is a debian derived distro .... acountry team is a team.....
[11:34] <JDAcura> i got a question. i just installed ubuntu and it didnt ask me for a root password. so what is it or how to i change it ?
[11:34] <davmor2> ensiferum try everything you can think of something has got to work.
[11:34] <ogra> nakeee: ubuntu  is a debian derived distro too ;)
[11:34] <Doomhammer> JDAcura: Ubuntu doesn't use a root account -- you have to "sudo ..." everything and enter your password
[11:35] <JDAcura> ok im used to root.
[11:35] <nakeee> ogra: if I make a country team to make ubuntu fit to a certain country, is it only configuration thing or can we add packages and the like?
[11:35] <ari_> ogra this is what i have to install sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb
[11:35] <JDAcura> now i got to figure out my x server i cant get it to load
[11:35] <Doomhammer> JDAcura: me too ;) but you can start a "root console" from the Gnome menu
[11:35] <Doomhammer> JDAcura: have a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:35] <ZzeCoOl> Doomhammer: use sudo passwd
[11:35] <JDAcura> i have been having problems. i can get it to load but its got virtual on
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> JDAcura: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[11:36] <JDAcura> and its anoying
[11:36] <Doomhammer> does Ubuntu use XFree86 or X.Org?
[11:36] <ogra> ari_: enable the repositority and just install  sun-j2sdk1.5 with synaptic
[11:36] <ari_> ogra it is 60.1 MB sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb
[11:36] <drspin> JDAcura: You can enable root by setting a password for it (sudo passwd root)...
[11:36] <JDAcura> thanks =)
[11:36] <vladster_> never change your ip address when on a server ;)
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> drspin: agh
[11:36] <neofeed> okay guys. what Filesystemto choose for my laptop?
[11:36] <ogra> ari_: so better take the jre then
[11:36] <ZzeCoOl> Doomhammer: by default warty release use Xfree
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> vladster_: not never, just be careful :)
[11:36] <neofeed> Reiser|XSF|JFS|ext3?
[11:36] <Doomhammer> will Hedgehog use X.Org?
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> vladster_: also, be aware that changing it will remove the default route
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> Doomhammer: yes
[11:37] <ogra> nakeee: i think its mainly translations
[11:37] <ZzeCoOl> hoary allready use X.org
[11:37] <ari_> so i stop to dowloaded ari_: enable the repositority and just install  sun-j2sdk1.5 with synaptic
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> neofeed: ext3 is fine
[11:37] <vladster_> how do I disable ipV6 for the browser
[11:37] <ari_> and try the one u said
[11:37] <drspin> HrdwrBoB: ??
[11:37] <neofeed> HrdwrBoB, okay... well I ran with XFS thus far
[11:37] <ZzeCoOl> Doomhammer: to open the locked root account just type "sudo passwd"
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> drspin: I usually point people to the doco about sudo before telling them about passwd root :)
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> better to do it right
[11:38] <drspin> HrdwrBoB: I suppose that would've been good... perhaps I should tell him how to disable it again (sudo passwd -l root) I think
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[11:39] <JDAcura> i cant get UPDATEDB to work says could not open database - new install
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> no drama.. just tryign to do things The Ubuntu Way
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[11:39] <jeffvos2004> I'm having some difficulty getting my Broadband connection working with Ubuntu--I've tried everything within my ability--It's a brand new Ethernet card.  On my other computer it instantly configures itself with DHCP, but it doesn't seem to work on my new Ubuntu machine...
[11:39] <ogra> JDAcura: do it from a root terminal
[11:39] <Doomhammer> ZzeCoOl: i know how to unlock the root account, but i'm not sure i want to
[11:39] <vladster_> which is a derivative of the debian way
[11:39] <Doomhammer> ZzeCoOl: thanks anyway
[11:39] <JDAcura> ogra i am
[11:40] <ari_> ogra: Download the Java SDK (Debian Package 59MB) http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/projects/misc/sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb
[11:40] <ari_> Install the SDK with dpkg -i sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb
[11:40] <ari_> It will complain of unresolved dependancies, so apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5debian , make sure you have multiverse in your sources.list.
[11:40] <drspin> JDAcura: After you are done using the root account (for whatever reason) you can lock it again by typing "sudo passwd -l root" ;)
[11:40] <ari_> thoses are the instructions that i found
[11:40] <JDAcura> and im assuming since it doesnt work now that SSH isnt turned on or installed by defualt on a new install ?
[11:40] <vladster_> or coursr if yopu want to go your own way, there is always LFS
[11:40] <ogra> ari_: you are not on the site i gave you
[11:40] <ogra> ari_: but if you follow these instructions it will work
[11:41] <JDAcura> drspin: but if i turn it off, the act i created on install has same priv as root ?
[11:41] <felixdz> Mplayer is working great.
[11:41] <felixdz> Thanks
[11:41] <davmor2> ogra so all I do is input the ubuntu download site rather than the debian one is that pretty much it
[11:41] <ogra> ari_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[11:41] <ari_> in the page u guive me there are a link to this page http://wiki.arslinux.com/Ubuntu#Java_1.5
[11:41] <ari_> in method 0
[11:41] <vladster_> anyone that just joined know how do I disable ipV6 for the browser
[11:41] <ogra> davmor2: i dunno if the library apckages have the same names.....
[11:41] <JDahl> I got my Ubuntu CDs today - they're really cool! I switched to Hoary by now, but I convinced a couple of colleagues to install so the CDs will be put to good use
[11:42] <o-live> quit
[11:42] <JDAcura> updatedb will not work in ROOT
[11:42] <drspin> HrdwrBoB: please tell JDAcura where he may read about sudo please
[11:42] <JDAcura> COULD NOT OPEN DATABASE
[11:42] <ogra> ari_: below it are two rectangles with dashed red lines.....
[11:42] <Doomhammer> how do I change the icon used for the gnome menu?
[11:42] <JDAcura> i am logged into root!
[11:42] <jeffvos2004> I'm having some difficulty getting my Broadband connection working with Ubuntu--I've tried everything within my ability--It's a brand new Ethernet card. On my other computer it instantly configures itself with DHCP, but it doesn't seem to work on my new Ubuntu machine...  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[11:42] <Doomhammer> how do I change the icon used for the gnome menu?
[11:43] <ari_> ok
[11:43] <vladster_> sometimes a root terminal is just the crowbar that is needed
[11:43] <mdz> lamont: I used to use hpscanpbm back in the day (specific to certain HP scanners), now sane (which has backends for all sorts of scanners)
[11:43] <vladster_> just don't try the 4600 series of USB scanners
[11:43] <ogra> ari_: and some text with a link that tells you how to add a repository
[11:43] <vladster_> not supported
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> drspin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[11:44] <ari_> so i have to enter to the first one adress :http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/
[11:44] <davmor2> I think I'll let you do it first and find out from your results I can still do pretty much everything i want for now  but you have propably been using linux longer than me
[11:44] <drspin> JDAcura: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[11:44] <drspin> JDAcura: that should explain it
[11:44] <vladster_> I have a print out of the usb signal logs sniffed from windows
[11:44] <ogra> ari_: in synaptic.... as described in the link: AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:45] <vladster_> I just don't have the chipset
[11:45] <Doomhammer> so why does my MPlayer lock up when I try to open an MP4?
[11:45] <davmor2> ogra I think I'll let you do it first and find out from your results I can still do pretty much everything i want for now  but you have propably been using linux longer than me
[11:45] <ogra> davmor2: no, go on....
[11:45] <ogra> davmor2: i will add my experiences later :)
[11:46] <Doomhammer> what do i have to do to enable MPlayer's MP4 abilities?
[11:46] <drspin> Doomhammer: are you sure it's not an m4p file?
[11:46] <davmor2> ogra I 've only been using linux for nearly 2 months
[11:46] <Doomhammer> it is an mp4
[11:46] <drspin> Doom: ok -
[11:46] <Doomhammer> well, as far as i know --- i'm not sure how to be sure what format it's in beyond it's extension and opening it up in a hex editor
[11:47] <ogra> davmor2: so your impressions are fresh and your laguage is not as used to weird technical terms as mine...thats a great start :)
[11:47] <Doomhammer> but assuming it is an MP4, how would i go about playing it? MPlayer stops responding when i try to open it
[11:47] <ogra> davmor2: especially for writing good documentation.....
[11:47] <lamont> mdz: hrm... clearly adding the scanner to some config file is the first step.. :-)
[11:48] <davmor2> ogra writting is not a strong point of mine to be honest
[11:48] <JDAcura> i have been having a problem with starting X, says  (EE) I810(0): No Video BIOS modes for chosen depth
[11:48] <JDAcura> but i got my modes set in XF86Config
[11:48] <JDAcura> and i ran xf86config again.
[11:48] <Doomhammer> JDAcura: you need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config -- you set a mode that is invalid fer yer card
[11:49] <JDAcura> oh ok. i'll change it. mayeb thats why
[11:49] <Doomhammer> what color depth did you choose? 32 bit?
[11:49] <JDAcura> my monitor can go higher thent he card
[11:49] <JDAcura> no 24
[11:49] <ogra> JDAcura: BIOS modes.....
[11:49] <Doomhammer> ah -- try 16 bit and see if it works
[11:49] <JDAcura> k
[11:49] <mdz> lamont: not if it's a USB scanner
[11:50] <Doomhammer> wtf why is there no /etc/X11 directory?
[11:50] <ogra> lamont: normally not even if its a scsi scanner....(at least in ubuntu)
[11:51] <Doomhammer> i want to patch mah kernel to use bootsplash
[11:51] <Doomhammer> so i downloaded the 2.6.9 sources and got the latest version of bootsplash for 2.6 kernels
[11:51] <lamont> would have helped if my wife hadn't powered off the scanner...
[11:51] <Doomhammer> and then i do "patch -p1 /usr/src/bootsplash-2.1.2-2.6.0-test9.diff" and it hangs..
[11:51] <ogra> lol
[11:51] <lamont> now the next question is how do I renable a printer under cupsys?
[11:51] <ogra> argh....
[11:52] <JDAcura>  using XF86Config-4 thats why
[11:52] <ogra> lamont: the gnome dialog works for most ppl very well ;)
[11:53] <lamont> machine has no gnome
[11:53] <lamont> it's a stripped down print server
[11:53] <vladster_> where do you find the settings config file for fire fox, I had it on saturday to tune the browser but lost it
[11:54] <ogra> lamont: hmm, there was a ML discussion how to enable the web interface for cups.....
[11:54] <lamont> ogra: that I _really_ don't want to do.
[11:54] <vladster_> I thought it was enabled by default
[11:55] <Doomhammer> how do i get MPlayer to play MP4 files?
[11:55] <ogra> lamont: if you disable it afterwards....
[11:55] <lamont> vladster_: it is, but listening on 127.0.0.1
[11:55] <Doomhammer> ls
[11:55] <seymour> hi guys. rhythmbox in ubuntu is broken :(
[11:55] <vladster_> port 601 right?
[11:55] <lamont> ogra: if I did enable it, I'd need to figure out how to talk to it, etc.
[11:55] <lamont> seymour: define 'broken'
[11:55] <vladster_> use xmms, par superior
[11:55] <JDAcura> i got X to start but it is stuck in 640x480
[11:55] <seymour> i am trying to add a 25 gb music folder (including wma, album art and so on) and it brakes
[11:55] <seymour> *breaks
[11:55] <lamont> seymour: because it works for me...
[11:56] <ogra> seymour: for me too
[11:56] <lamont> hrm.. mine is only 13 GB, and purely music
[11:56] <Doomhammer> man Ubuntu comes with crap multimedia apps
[11:56] <JDAcura> and the XF86Config says it has more in modes but i cannot change it while in X
[11:56] <Doomhammer> i had to install XMMS and MPlayer manually
[11:56] <seymour> ogra, do you have wmas?
[11:56] <vladster_> sudo apt-get install xmms and you are reay to rock and roll
[11:56] <ogra> seymour: nope
[11:56] <Doomhammer> JDAcura: do you have X running?
[11:56] <JDAcura> doom: yes
[11:56] <Doomhammer> well you need to stop it from running
[11:57] <JDAcura> k then what
[11:57] <Doomhammer> but i don't know how, since ubuntu doesn't have a /etc/init.d ...
[11:57] <JDAcura> killall X
[11:57] <JDAcura> then what
[11:57] <ogra> Doomhammer: what ???
[11:57] <Doomhammer> god this is starting to piss me off, why does ubuntu have everything in different places?
[11:57] <vladster_> type control alt backspace also works too
[11:57] <JDahl> Doomhammer, what do you mean?
[11:57] <JDAcura> ya but i was having this prob last niht with mandrake
[11:57] <Doomhammer> ogra: /etc/init.d is a directory, not a file
[11:57] <ogra> Doomhammer: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[11:58] <lamont> sadly, sane doesn't seem to like the HP PSC-13154
[11:58] <lamont> s/4//
[11:58] <vladster_> that works too
[11:58] <Doomhammer> ogra: yes, but usually there is a config file (/etc/init.d) where you can change the default runlevel
[11:58] <ogra> Doomhammer: what else should init.d be ?
[11:58] <ogra> Doomhammer: you talk about inittab
[11:58] <Doomhammer> eep -- my bad
[11:58] <seymour> anyone using beep media player?
[11:58] <JDAcura> if i go to COMPUTER/ and in some menu / change screen resultion IT only HAS 640 x 480
[11:58] <lamont> Doomhammer: on what OS?
[11:59] <Doomhammer> lamont: i was thinking /etc/inittab from Gentoo -- not /etc/init.d :O
[11:59] <lamont> ah, ok.
[11:59] <Ensiferum> davmor2: ok. changed the ide drives to ide 1 controller
[11:59] <Ensiferum> still doesnt work
[11:59] <Ensiferum> i conclude that the distro is b0rked
[11:59] <ogra> JDAcura: you can change safely the config while being in X
[11:59] <Doomhammer> what doesn't work, Ensiferum?