[12:19] <mdz> hello, lunchpad folks
[12:19] <mdz> how many of you are running Hoary now?
[12:41] <jblack> heya spiv
[12:41] <jblack> mdz: I am
[02:00] <kiko> salgado, no stub.
[02:00] <kiko> email, I guess
[02:00] <kiko> and I'm outta here, catch you tomorrow
[03:30] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.1: new build (patch-39)
[03:30] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.1: tweak lints output for adhoc scripting (patch-68, robert.collins@canonical.com)
[04:07] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.1: new build (patch-40)
[04:07] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.1: refactor the inventory linting and status generation to allow separate invocation, use this to allow status to lint before doing changes, but to still show the lint output after the changes. Fixes: bug #4581 (patch-69, robert.collins@canonical.com)
[04:33] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar-debian--debian--1.1: merge in README.Debian updates - bug #4582 (patch-5, robert.collins@canonical.com)
[05:22] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar-debian--debian--1.1: whoops, its janruary, not april (patch-6)
[05:30] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.1: new build (patch-41)
[05:30] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.1: updating tree-version help to be inline with actual usage (new version instead of dir) (patch-70, jblack@gnuarch.org)
[05:45] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.1: new build (patch-42)
[05:46] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.1: use a default uid for archive transactions when required. uids are not unique to instances of baz, so this is safe. fixes: #3220 (patch-71, robert.collins@canonical.com)
[08:03] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.1: new build (patch-43)
[08:03] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.1: Removed 4 commands (archive-setup|make-(category|branch|version) (patch-72, jblack@gnuarch.org)
[08:30] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.1: new build (patch-44)
[08:31] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.1: Fixed several commands to send user to status --lint instead of tree-lint (patch-73, jblack@gnuarch.org)
[10:54] <jblack> looks like the sftp stuff for the supermirror is almost done
[11:08] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.1: new build (patch-45)
[11:08] <dilys> Merge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.1: fix memory leak in merge and reduce the number of warnings given. Fixes: #4756 (patch-74, robert.collins@canonical.com)
[11:09] <Kinnison> Are we meant to hold general chatter on here about launchpad; or on launchpad-dev?
[11:10] <lifeless> this is the public channel.
[11:10] <lifeless> follow your nose.
[11:10] <Kinnison> Okay
[11:11] <jblack> ask stevea. He'd know
[11:12] <SteveA-> i vote for more caffiene
[11:12] <jblack> odd that you'd say that
[11:13] <jblack> kinnison: so I guess whichever one has the most coffee in it?
[11:17] <jblack> I'm glad you like it
[11:19] <jordi> Kinnison: last night I dreamed that I signed all the pending keys.
[11:19] <Kinnison> jordi: Heh
[11:20] <jordi> Kinnison: bbut that was after you mailed me your script (which had coloured letters, and was a paper).
[11:20] <Kinnison> How do you know about *that* script?! It's meant to be a secret
[11:20] <jordi> Then suddenly you were sitting right next to me and told me how a tricky part worked.
[11:21] <jordi> the coloured script, or the keysigning script?
[11:21] <Kinnison> the coloured script on paper
[11:21] <jordi> THE POWER OF DREAMS, MAN
[11:21] <jordi> hehehe
[11:22] <Kinnison> My real publically available signing scripts are in a baz archive
[11:23] <jordi> if it's not coloured, I don't want it. You can't have second class stuff once you've had the REAL THING in your hand.
[11:23] <jordi> Kinnison: url?
[11:24] <Kinnison> the baz archive is at http://arch.digital-scurf.org/ds-arch@digital-scurf.org--laptop-2004/
[11:24] <Kinnison> the thing to check out is ds-arch@digital-scurf.org--laptop-2004/dists--keysigning--0
[11:26] <jordi> thanks
[11:26] <Kinnison> run the script in there
[11:26] <Kinnison> and then follow the readme in ksp-tools
[11:26] <Kinnison> I've only tested it on x86
[11:27] <jordi> ok
[11:27] <carlos> Kinnison: I will test it in ppc ;-)
[11:27] <Kinnison> I know it will fail on ppc
[11:28] <jordi> does that work with baz only? or will tla grok?
[11:28] <Kinnison> carlos: if you want to provide the patch to onak to make it work then I'd be grateful
[11:28] <jordi> carlos: fix it :)
[11:28] <Kinnison> jordi: erm; I *think* it's a baz archive
[11:28] <lifeless> jordi: why not use baz ?
[11:28] <carlos> Kinnison: dude, it's just a script to sign keys!!
[11:28] <jordi> I still don't have baz available in my system.
[11:28] <carlos> Kinnison: what are you using?
[11:28] <lifeless> jordi: what is your system ?
[11:28] <jordi> carlos: it is _*the*_ script.
[11:28] <Kinnison> carlos: I use portions of onak (a gpg keyserver) to provide me with a mechanism to strip unwanted sigs from the keys I sign
[11:29] <jordi> lifeless: I mean, not available as in not installed :)
[11:29] <Kinnison> So that when you sign the key of someone with 15 uids and 1000s of sigs; you still only send out teeny emails
[11:29] <lifeless> well then, thats easy to fix.
[11:29] <carlos> Kinnison: ok
[11:31] <carlos> lifeless: is there any way to add a feature to baz so it fetchs a gpg key when needed to check the archive signatures?
[11:32] <lifeless> carlos: edit your default cjec script.
[11:32] <lifeless> gpg can do that already
[11:33] <Kinnison> edit =default.check to contain '--keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve'
[11:33] <Kinnison> (without the ''s)
[11:33] <carlos> that's dangerous with evolution
[11:34] <carlos> dangerous == takes ages to be able to read some mails
[11:34] <lifeless> carlos: its dangerous everywhere.
[11:34] <Kinnison> why would editing ~/.arch-params/signing/=default.check be dangerous for evolution?
[11:34] <lifeless> carlos: and you just asked for baz to do the same :)
[11:35] <carlos> Kinnison: oh, I thought you were talking about the global configuration file
[11:35] <carlos> lifeless: but I don't add new archives too often 
[11:35] <Kinnison> No, I'd have said edit .gnupg/gpg.conf if I had ;-)
[11:35] <carlos> lifeless: I don't want to check all the signatures of the mails I receive by mail :-)
[11:36] <carlos> Kinnison: ;-)
[11:36] <lifeless> carlos: its got nothing to do with new archives.
[11:36] <SteveA-> carlos: have we got schooltool / schoolbell in rosetta yet?
[11:36] <lifeless> carlos: we will be overhauling the gpg stuff though.
[11:36] <lifeless> default.check is just the solution for now.
[11:36] <carlos> lifeless: ok
[11:36] <carlos> SteveA-: not yet
[11:37] <carlos> SteveA-: I'm not doing any big import (yet) until we fix the transaction problem
[11:37] <SteveA-> carlos: there's a guy called David Suarez who wants to translate it into spanish
[11:37] <carlos> SteveA-: we have already about 8 imports blocked in Rosetta at the moment
[11:37] <SteveA-> I've forwarded you an email
[11:38] <carlos> oohh, shit, I forgot it. Sorry :-(
[11:38] <SteveA-> carlos: I'll be looking into that after breakfast/emailtriage
[11:38] <carlos> ok
[11:38] <carlos> SteveA-: hmm, it's another mail
[11:39] <carlos> SteveA-: I forgot the one you sent me last week
[11:39] <carlos> time to answer both
[11:39] <SteveA-> what did i send last week?
[11:39] <SteveA-> tom hoffman is the schooltool project leader
[11:39] <SteveA-> actually, he might be online (possibly).  #schooltool  th1a
[11:40] <SteveA-> he'll be around later if he isn't now
[11:40] <SteveA-> it would be great to get the schooltool translators involved in rosetta
[11:40] <carlos> SteveA-: you sent me an email from a Brazilian guy that was interested on Rosetta
[11:40] <SteveA-> oh, okay
[11:41] <carlos> SteveA-: We need a way to mark the projects that are using Rosetta directly to get translations == maintainers get the translations from Rosetta directly
[11:41] <carlos> we have already pmount, bazaar and synaptic
[11:43] <SteveA-> carlos: i guess so.  this isn't so much to do with what translation data is available, but about the intentions of the maintainer
[11:43] <carlos> right
[11:44] <SteveA-> how about a mail to launchpad@
[11:45] <carlos> a mail to launchpad@ and a bug to malone for the doap product
[11:47] <SteveA-> lifeless: awesome!  non-star merging!  I'll look for an opportunity to try this out.
[11:52] <lifeless> SteveA: note the caveat at the bottom
[11:52] <SteveA> i made sure to read every word
[12:46] <Kinnison> lifeless: Are you still around?
[02:27] <dilys> New Malone bug #188: "Email address used to login must be available in launchpad", submitted by Guilerme Salgado
[02:27] <dilys> https://dogfood.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/188
[02:29] <SteveA> daf: hi.  can you move dilys to #launchpad-dev
[04:12] <kiko-fud> leeeemont
[06:16] <lamont_r> kiko-fud: yes?
[06:39] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: Initial support for adding milestones to products. TODO: property security config so that only product maintainer can add milestones, integration with malone, and page testing when UI stabilizes. (patch-1145, brad.bollenbach@canonical.com)
[08:29] <dilys> Bug 1964 resolved: Breadcrumbs don't work when virtual hosting
[08:29] <dilys> https://bugzilla.warthogs.hbd.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1964
[09:23] <ddaa> elmo: do you know how importd@galapagos is supposed to access "sftp://hoover@auckland/srv/arch.no-name-yet.com/www/apt@arch.ubuntu.com"?
[09:24] <ddaa> if no, can you set up something simple, like a passphraseless ssh key?
[09:24] <ddaa> thx
[09:27] <lifeless> morning
[09:27] <lifeless> Kinnison: pong
[09:29] <jblack> you're up early
[09:29] <lifeless> yah
[09:29] <lifeless> ddaa: thats already in place
[09:30] <jblack> I'm just wrapping up my report to Makr
[09:30] <lifeless> ?
[09:31] <Kinnison> lifeless: I had an amusing baz merge warning earlier on my laptop
[09:31] <Kinnison> lifeless: Something about some missing logs
[09:31] <jblack> Mark asked a handful of questions. "What's the state of the supermirror", 'what do people think?', 'how was the migration', etc.
[09:32] <jblack> so I wrote up a detailed report for him and you. What we have, where we are, where we're going (literally and figuratively), how we achieve our goals from here, etc.
[09:32] <lifeless> cool
[09:32] <jblack> which is fun for me. 
[09:33] <jblack> I get a perverted sense of happiness when I write up detailed summaries. 
[09:33] <jblack> Its like coke for me
[09:37] <kiko> like a coke orgy even.
[09:38] <Kinnison> lifeless: How's the performance of bazaar on kernel-sized trees?
[09:38] <lifeless> Kinnison: for me, acceptable but not blazing.
[09:42] <lifeless> but some folk have it suck really badly. like REALLY badly.
[09:42] <lifeless> and we're trying to track down what makes for the suckage.
[09:45] <Kinnison> Cool
[10:02] <lifeless> Kinnison: what version of baz was that ?
[10:02] <lifeless> if it was the one before you apt-get updated.. then yes, I know, it was a bug, that warning should only rarely occur.
[10:12] <Kinnison> Okay; it was a baz from before xmas
[10:16] <lifeless> Kinnison: we were scanning all the history of the local tree in one hit. STUPID
[10:18] <Kinnison> heh
[10:27] <ddaa> lifeless: I just tested "sftp hoover@auckland/srv/arch.no-name-yet.com/www/apt@arch.ubuntu.com" on importd@galapagos, and got asked to confirm the rsa fingerprint and then got asked for a passwd.
[10:28] <ddaa> Which pretty strongly suggests it is _not_ setup already.
[10:38] <ddaa> elmo: okay sorry for the noise it's setup, I just do not know how to use sftp :-/