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| plovs | morning! | 07:38 |
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| froud | African greetings | 07:51 |
| plovs | froud: morning, i have a spare minute and am looking at the menu-stuff, where are the menu items defined? | 08:30 |
| plovs | you told yesterday, but my registers gor reset over night | 08:31 |
| plovs | froud: never mind got it | 08:33 |
| froud | Will sounder still be used in the future? | 09:22 |
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| plovs | froud: sorry no idea, better ask on #ubuntu-devel | 09:47 |
| froud | you ok with the menus now? | 09:47 |
| plovs | froud: yeah, works quite nice | 09:54 |
| froud | Good, Hope to save loads of time at Hoary and on translations | 09:55 |
| froud | plovs, seems sounder will be used, but it is called Array | 09:58 |
| froud | So I will update | 09:58 |
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| plovs | how can i see with svn what changes have been made svn log does not show changed files | 10:17 |
| froud | plovs, try svn log --verbose trunk | 10:19 |
| froud | plovs, this is why I want a mail list | 10:20 |
| froud | for commit | 10:20 |
| froud | we can impliment post-commit template to send messages | 10:20 |
| froud | plovs, do you use the cli? | 10:22 |
| froud | if you want GUI try http://esvn.umputun.com/ | 10:22 |
| plovs | froud: i use cli atm | 10:23 |
| plovs | just wondered if there is a command like svn log with more output | 10:23 |
| froud | :-) --verbose | 10:24 |
| froud | If you want a deb for esvn lok here http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/esvn.html | 10:24 |
| plovs | verbose does the trick | 10:27 |
| froud | :-) good | 10:28 |
| froud | now you can wade through my sea of patches | 10:28 |
| froud | :-) | 10:28 |
| plovs | yes, now this is nice | 10:37 |
| froud | Yes, di dyou know you can also switch between revisions | 10:38 |
| froud | you can also switch between revisions in the branches (we donthave any yet) and the trunk | 10:39 |
| plovs | when i finish this doc, then we should open a branch for hoary-faqguide | 10:40 |
| froud | You can also merge between branches and trunk. Its cool for when you want to branch but dont want trunk to move to far away from your branch. | 10:40 |
| froud | sure, shouldn't we be working on hoary in the trunk? | 10:42 |
| froud | I mean warty is gone | 10:42 |
| froud | I would only do a branch in the use case where I need to make intrusive changes to the current version that could hamper other people in the trunk | 10:43 |
| froud | but perhaps you have a reason | 10:44 |
| plovs | well, this is the warty version, i have not updated anything to hoary yet, but we should release hoary | 10:44 |
| plovs | so we might update this as well | 10:45 |
| froud | Yes, the problem is that we did not do XML for warty, so what we are doing is Hoary | 10:45 |
| plovs | no, i would like to keep this for jiyuu0 so we can give him an updated html version of changes | 10:45 |
| froud | you want to tag | 10:45 |
| plovs | i do? (i am a complete versioning noob, but eager to learn) | 10:46 |
| froud | tag is a version release preserved forever | 10:46 |
| froud | branches eventually merge back to trnk | 10:46 |
| froud | trunk | 10:47 |
| froud | BTW we do not commit HTML PDF etc to the repos | 10:47 |
| plovs | so then yes, i would like to end up with one hoary faqguide, as up-to-date as possible, one warty ... etc | 10:47 |
| plovs | no, we should export PDF html | 10:48 |
| plovs | and just keep the xml | 10:48 |
| plovs | that's what the makefile is for | 10:48 |
| plovs | i suppose | 10:48 |
| froud | No HTMl and PDF are good | 10:48 |
| froud | presentational formats just nver reside in the src | 10:48 |
| froud | we generate them from the src | 10:49 |
| froud | The nice part is that Yelp reads the src | 10:49 |
| froud | Let me know when you want to tag and I will make a tag for the faqguide | 10:50 |
| froud | if you want to browse | 10:51 |
| froud | the repos | 10:51 |
| froud | svn list http://69.155.172.150/faq --recursive --verbose | 10:51 |
| plovs | what we should do is having a seperate brach for hoary, but all the updates to the warty changes should go to hoary as well, but the hoary changes should not go to the warty version | 10:52 |
| froud | yes we can make a branch | 10:52 |
| froud | people can still checkout the branch | 10:52 |
| plovs | but do i have to manually edit both versions? | 10:52 |
| froud | you merge between them | 10:53 |
| plovs | cool, this svn stuff | 10:53 |
| froud | I suggest you read this book as a reference | 10:53 |
| froud | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ | 10:53 |
| froud | before trying any of the stuff we are talking about | 10:54 |
| froud | It gives example uses cases | 10:54 |
| froud | that will make it easier for you to understand the relationship between tags, branches and trunk | 10:55 |
| froud | and how to manage them | 10:55 |
| plovs | i'll try it, asap | 10:57 |
| froud | Ok just remember your revision mumber so we can role back if there are problems | 10:58 |
| plovs | ok, but first i need to finish this version, then we need the makfiles, then we can think about branching | 11:01 |
| froud | The makefiles are done | 11:01 |
| froud | or is there more to add | 11:02 |
| froud | take a look at trunk/Makefile | 11:03 |
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| plovs | it would be nice to be able to make seperate things (html,pdf) for seperate docs (user/quick/faq) with commands: make faq_html etc | 11:04 |
| froud | at present we only have html. | 11:05 |
| froud | you can do make faq | 11:05 |
| froud | and it will build just the FAQ Guide | 11:05 |
| froud | same with User Guide do make ug | 11:05 |
| froud | and Quick Guide make ug | 11:05 |
| froud | or you can build all in one operation make all | 11:05 |
| froud | Gotta go out for a minute | 11:06 |
| plovs | ok, trying :-) | 11:06 |
| froud | back | 11:16 |
| froud | I/O warning : failed to load external entity "common/menus/login-screen-setup.xml" | 11:18 |
| froud | I/O warning : failed to load external entity "common/menus/users-groups.xml" | 11:18 |
| froud | I/O warning : failed to load external entity "common/menus/users-groups.xml" | 11:18 |
| froud | I/O warning : failed to load external entity "common/menus/login-screen-setup.xml | 11:18 |
| froud | plovs, you need to commit these files | 11:19 |
| plovs | ok, just a sec | 11:21 |
| plovs | froud: my svn thinks i did already | 11:22 |
| plovs | because my commit didn't go it clashed with sometething you did i suppose | 11:22 |
| plovs | ah no, sorry svn add it was, brb | 11:23 |
| plovs | ok, added | 11:24 |
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| froud | faqguide/faq2.xml:50: element listitem: validity error : Element listitem content does not follow the DTD, | 11:27 |
| plovs | looking ... | 11:28 |
| froud | plovs, why | 11:29 |
| froud | ---Makefile(revision282) | 11:29 |
| froud | +++Makefile(workingcopy) | 11:29 |
| froud | @@-100,7+100,7@@ | 11:29 |
| froud | @echo"BuildingtheUbuntuFAQ..." | 11:29 |
| froud | mkdir-p$(FAQBASE) | 11:29 |
| froud | 11:29 | |
| froud | -xsltproc--xinclude--stringparambase.dir$(FAQBASE)$(HTMLXSL)faqguide/faq2.xml | 11:29 |
| froud | +xsltproc--xinclude--stringparambase.dir$(FAQBASE)$(HTMLXSL)userguide/usersguide.xml | 11:29 |
| froud | why change the faq target to use userguide | 11:30 |
| plovs | it should build the faq not the userguide | 11:30 |
| plovs | i changed it the other way around | 11:30 |
| froud | ok cool I see now | 11:30 |
| plovs | i can't find the error faqguide/faq2.xml:50: element listitem: validity error | 11:30 |
| plovs | validating now... | 11:30 |
| froud | ok the first problem is in UserAdministration..xml | 11:32 |
| plovs | the html looks quite nice, but i think jiyuu0 original looks (partly) better | 11:32 |
| froud | line 50 , should be <listitem> <para> &login-screen-setup; | 11:33 |
| plovs | ah, yes, and i have several of those (again) | 11:33 |
| froud | menuchoice is not a child of listitem | 11:33 |
| plovs | it's just that validating takes so horribly long | 11:33 |
| froud | your catalogs must be out of date | 11:34 |
| froud | why dontyou get an XML editor like Oxygen | 11:34 |
| froud | http://www.inwords.co.za/products.html | 11:34 |
| froud | you can get a free demo to try it | 11:35 |
| froud | trust me its good :-) | 11:35 |
| abelli | buon giorno | 11:37 |
| plovs | looking... | 11:37 |
| plovs | abelli: hi! | 11:37 |
| plovs | froud: java? | 11:40 |
| froud | Heh, Heh, yes :-) | 11:41 |
| froud | But big bonus on the editing side | 11:41 |
| froud | and validation etc | 11:41 |
| plovs | still, 50$ ... i have to think about that | 11:42 |
| plovs | but i'm downloading the demo | 11:42 |
| froud | Sure you will love it. I preffer it to XML Spy and its a whole lot cheaper | 11:42 |
| froud | The support group is also good | 11:43 |
| froud | and it helps that I was the original author of the user manual ;_) | 11:43 |
| plovs | i mostly use vim | 11:44 |
| plovs | for just about everything | 11:44 |
| froud | tried it, OOxygen wins hands down :-0 | 11:44 |
| froud | Inline context completion etc | 11:45 |
| froud | easy valdations | 11:45 |
| plovs | who removes all the empty lines all the time, the validator? | 11:46 |
| froud | No Pretty-Print | 11:46 |
| froud | When your indentation is all wacked just press the pretty print button | 11:47 |
| froud | makes things easier to see | 11:47 |
| froud | well try it and see | 11:48 |
| plovs | downloading java | 11:51 |
| plovs | looks nice | 12:03 |
| froud | Try editing on eyour files | 12:04 |
| froud | you will see the inline context completion | 12:04 |
| froud | works on elements, attributes and their values | 12:05 |
| froud | Also the project panel on th eleft is a time save | 12:05 |
| froud | You also have XSLT debug | 12:05 |
| froud | XML Tree Editor | 12:06 |
| froud | and you can inspect th eobject models | 12:06 |
| froud | try insert one of our entities | 12:06 |
| froud | do &ubuntu- | 12:06 |
| froud | you will see the list of entities defined in global.ent | 12:06 |
| froud | much shorter :-) | 12:06 |
| froud | plovs, wicked stuff hey :-) | 12:21 |
| froud | geeze dudes - writing about Demand Driven Supply Networks is caving my head in | 01:06 |
| froud | Hmm, interesting how Yelp uses the GNOME icons for admonitions. I like them much better than the docbook ones. Anyone mind if I replace them with those from GNOME? | 01:21 |
| plovs | froud: i am seriously in favour | 01:21 |
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| froud | Ok found them and they are now in SVN. Much better :-) | 01:25 |
| plovs | i'll update and rebuild the faqguide | 01:25 |
| froud | cool the new images will be used automatically | 01:26 |
| froud | now all we need is ChrisH to work his magic on that nasty CSS | 01:27 |
| plovs | and then we have one doc finished and a nice base for the other two | 01:29 |
| froud | Hmm, but I still see many empty sections. Was it like this in the last release? | 01:29 |
| froud | plovs, do you think we should enable toc generation on the chapter levels | 01:30 |
| froud | opps my mistake | 01:30 |
| froud | we already did | 01:30 |
| froud | looking good plovs | 01:31 |
| plovs | yep, looks nice, now we only need to change the arrows and the home icon, i think | 01:34 |
| plovs | many empty sections? only tipsandtricks is not yet done, the rest should be finished??? | 01:36 |
| plovs | is my repo not the same as yours? | 01:36 |
| plovs | froud: could you take a look in yelp, with arrow down you can go over the whole tree | 01:38 |
| plovs | froud: everything but tipsandtricks should be there | 01:38 |
| froud | yes. it's just tips and tricks, well a large part thereof | 01:41 |
| froud | pit yelp does such a poor job of alignment | 01:42 |
| froud | pity | 01:42 |
| plovs | yeah, look rather bad | 01:42 |
| plovs | looks | 01:43 |
| froud | I have not had time to test it in 2.9.3 | 01:43 |
| froud | I think that is what ships with Hoary, right? | 01:43 |
| plovs | yes | 01:45 |
| froud | Hmm, perhaps we should test it? | 01:45 |
| plovs | sivang has it installed for sure, when he comes on line we should ask | 01:45 |
| froud | k | 01:46 |
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| sivang | morning all | 02:26 |
| froud | boker | 02:26 |
| sivang | froud: G'morning :) | 02:26 |
| ChrisH | sivang: hi | 02:26 |
| sivang | Hey ChrisH ! | 02:26 |
| froud | sivang, you run Yelp 2.9.3? | 02:27 |
| sivang | froud: I upgraded last night, and it says 2.9.3 | 02:28 |
| froud | Can you test the faqguide for plovs | 02:28 |
| sivang | froud: ofcourse :) after some breakfast :) | 02:29 |
| froud | we would like to know how the text and numbers align. In the current version it is poor. | 02:29 |
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| froud | yes b'fast is more important | 02:29 |
| sivang | plovs: hi! I will test for you in a 30 minutes or so :) | 02:30 |
| plovs | sivang: hi! super thanks | 02:42 |
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| === froud point people to Norman Walsh's latest commentary about Docbook 5.0 http://norman.walsh.name/2005/01/03/DocBook-05 | ||
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| froud | 30 deg | 02:47 |
| froud | mako, RelaxNG here we come, at last :-) | 02:52 |
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| plovs_ | ok, got the link | 02:57 |
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| plovs | froud: would it be a good idea to put some validationrules in the make-file? | 03:23 |
| plovs | if yes, these?xmllint --noout --xinclude --postvalid <file> | 03:24 |
| froud | plovs, well you can, but technically you should have a valid and tested source before doing make | 03:29 |
| plovs | froud: where to put it then, i would like an easy way from cli to check my files, without remembering xmllint command line options | 03:30 |
| abelli | when does enrico,usually join ? | 03:32 |
| froud | plovs, write a shell script that takes an arguement? | 03:33 |
| froud | also do remember the shortcut do history | 03:33 |
| froud | !### | 03:33 |
| plovs | abelli: enrico said he would be online late tonight | 03:35 |
| plovs | froud: i know, but it would be nice to have it in a central place, so everybody who adds stuff can easily validate | 03:36 |
| plovs | i'll put a test in if it's no good i'll remove it | 03:37 |
| froud | plovs, just create a script like xmllint --noout --xinclude --postvalid $1 | 03:37 |
| plovs | froud: done that already | 03:38 |
| plovs | i was just thinking, you told me to validate, if you hadn't i would not even have thought of it. so what about the next guy? | 03:39 |
| froud | sure | 03:40 |
| plovs | btw, i\m more or less finished, some things need to be added still, but mostly its done | 03:41 |
| froud | hey you wiped my entities from this morning? | 03:41 |
| plovs | i hope not??? | 03:41 |
| froud | yes there gona | 03:41 |
| plovs | i am not the entity wiping kinda guy | 03:41 |
| froud | no worries will bring them back in sec | 03:41 |
| abelli | plovs: thank you | 03:42 |
| froud | plovs, :-) SVN you gotta love it. Just trust it an it will love you. | 03:44 |
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| plovs | how? | 03:45 |
| froud | nice plovs you're on a role today | 03:45 |
| plovs | wanted to wrap it up, and work was slow today | 03:46 |
| froud | <!ENTITY gnome 'http://www.gnome.org/' > | 03:46 |
| froud | <!ENTITY kde 'http://www.kde.org/' > | 03:46 |
| froud | <!ENTITY lugww 'http://lugww.counter.li.org/' > | 03:46 |
| froud | opps | 03:46 |
| froud | svn cat global.ent -r 277 | 03:46 |
| froud | shows the patch | 03:46 |
| froud | since it was only three lines, just copy them and create a new patch | 03:47 |
| froud | I could also just reapply the whole patch | 03:48 |
| froud | but that would be overkill | 03:48 |
| froud | and I would have to make sure I dont break something in later patches | 03:48 |
| plovs | svn is quite nice i must say | 03:48 |
| froud | better than cvs | 03:48 |
| froud | although I have been playing with arch and its growing on me by the day :-) | 03:49 |
| plovs | we will be moving to arch | 03:49 |
| plovs | i have been told | 03:49 |
| froud | but cant do file level patches :-) | 03:49 |
| abelli | all: sorry but are the images in this page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuArtwork meant to be shown? | 03:49 |
| plovs | abelli: yes | 03:50 |
| plovs | at least if nobody changed them, to something else\ | 03:50 |
| plovs | froud: we will use some spinoff of arch, but for now well keep subversion | 03:51 |
| abelli | plovs: can you restore that page.. | 03:51 |
| froud | perhaps, we'll see | 03:51 |
| abelli | well "could you please, kindly, restore that page?" | 03:51 |
| plovs | abelli: no i am in the server room, on cli, sorry | 03:52 |
| froud | personally I like to be able to do file patches, not just directy level patches | 03:52 |
| plovs | abelli: i see no pictures, and the wiki does not work from elinks | 03:52 |
| abelli | froud: my ol' good, lovable, friend... could you please do it? | 03:52 |
| abelli | :) | 03:52 |
| froud | abelli, I am not a employee :-) | 03:53 |
| abelli | plovs: but they are meant to work right? | 03:53 |
| froud | I have no access, otherwise I would | 03:53 |
| abelli | well you can edit it.. | 03:53 |
| abelli | its public. | 03:53 |
| plovs | abelli: yes, but the wiki is kind of crummy atm, afaik, ask again tonight, i'll forget it for sure | 03:54 |
| abelli | plovs , froud : thank you | 03:54 |
| plovs | ok, time to go and get some diner, cu later | 03:55 |
| froud | abelli, really I cant help. I can edit, but what does that help I cannot check if the images are there or not. | 03:56 |
| froud | plovs, by | 03:56 |
| froud | bye | 03:56 |
| abelli | plovs: dinner? | 03:56 |
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| abelli | what about enrico? | 06:26 |
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| hornbeck | anyone around? | 06:37 |
| ChrisH | yes, sir | 06:38 |
| [froud] | limping | 06:39 |
| abelli | hello ChrisH | 06:44 |
| hornbeck | I will be taking the svn server down for about 30 minutes this evening | 06:44 |
| hornbeck | I will post to the mailing list with exact times | 06:44 |
| hornbeck | got a new router, that will make it alittle more stable | 06:44 |
| [froud] | k | 06:44 |
| ChrisH | abelli: :) Hi | 06:47 |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: sure | 06:47 |
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| plovs | hi guys | 09:03 |
| plovs | faqguide is ported! | 10:54 |
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| sid77 | hi | 11:20 |
| plovs | hornbeck: when will svn go down? | 11:25 |
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