[12:00] <incorrect> any new machines would have been different hardware
[12:00] <rexiboy> my system is stuffed after a dist-upgrade :( need some helpppp...
[12:00] <exlt> fai and the kernel dont care - your nodes could all be different hardware as far as linux is concerned
[12:02] <rexiboy> any developers here?
[12:03] <exlt> what language, rexiboy?
[12:04] <kent> rexiboy, whats the problem (im not a developer, but i might be able to help..  who knows)
[12:04] <rexiboy> after doing a dist-upgrade it came up with errors and now I can't login
[12:05] <rexiboy> got the error but don't know if I can paste it here
[12:05] <exlt> pastebin.com
[12:05] <rexiboy> never tried it but will give it a go
[12:06] <kipod> how can i reinstall a package
[12:06] <exlt> works a treat :)
[12:06] <JDahl> kipod, you use dpkg --purge to remove it along with and setup information... why do you need to?
[12:07] <rexiboy> http://pastebin.com/223788
[12:07] <rexiboy> it is nice :)
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get remove package
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install package
[12:09] <rexiboy> kent, exlt , did you have a look?
[12:09] <kipod> thanks JDahl  i want to reinstall nvidia drivers
[12:09] <kent> rexiboy, I got a conflict sort of like that one, but with another package, when i upgraded to hoary.  I removed one of the packages (and all its dependency) and then upgraded and reinstalled the packages i removed.  that worked for me :)
[12:09] <kipod> JDahl,  i found oout that i can't run 3d ... since i have installed KDE
[12:09] <rexiboy> yeh but which one? :)
[12:10] <kent> reformed, for me, it was something with kdelibs.
[12:10] <exlt> rexiboy, not base ;)
[12:10] <JDahl> kipod, normally you shouldnt have to remove and reinstall packages... the problem is probably somewhere else
[12:10] <rexiboy> :) was not going there
[12:10] <kent> rexiboy, well, first try with this one, since its one of the packages that conflicts. xorg-driver-synaptic
[12:11] <exlt> Peo-[hawaii]  - please disable your auto-away messages
[12:12] <rexiboy> base-files_3.1.0ubuntu_amd64.deb?
[12:14] <ions|Gnoppix> how can I ssh into a ubuntu/gnoppix system?
[12:15] <rexiboy> might just get rid of 64 and put i386 with the 686 kernel, maybe a drop in performance but all the software will work... any thoughts about this?
[12:16] <kipod> JDahl,  yeah i know but i don't have the power to loook for the problem... ( i even don't   know were to start to look )
[12:17] <VirtualDarKness> is there someone who tried mepis too?
[12:23] <rexiboy> kent, what are you running?
[12:23] <ions|Gnoppix> anyone here know how to get sshd up and running on the ubuntu Live Disk?
[12:23] <MaddMarshall2k> should i take beginning c programming at the community college
[12:23] <MaddMarshall2k> im scurred
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> scurred?
[12:24] <MaddMarshall2k> yes scurred
[12:24] <VirtualDarKness> scarred maybe
[12:24] <rexiboy> i go with scarred :)
[12:24] <MaddMarshall2k> indeed... i dont approve of such talk on a regular basis... only when bored
[12:24] <rexiboy> why c?
[12:25] <MaddMarshall2k> thats all there is
[12:25] <MaddMarshall2k> hehe i was looking for a linux class
[12:25] <MaddMarshall2k> dont want to learn unix
[12:25] <ions|Gnoppix> is there a way to get sshd running on the Ubuntu Live Disk?
[12:25] <kent> rexiboy, Ubunto  (Hoary) on this machine.  I have no problems now,  but i got a conflict with a file when i upgraded from warty.
[12:25] <rexiboy> python?
[12:25] <jdub> ions|Gnoppix: apt-get install openssh-server
[12:26] <rexiboy> kent, did you install the 686 kernel?
[12:26] <gen> kent, which file
[12:26] <ions|Gnoppix> doesn't work jdub
[12:27] <gen> apt-get update
[12:27] <ions|Gnoppix> E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[12:27] <ions|Gnoppix> from apt-get update
[12:27] <kent> gen,  i dont know which file, but it was something that came from kdelibs*.
[12:27] <gen> wasn't talking to you gnoppix but ok
[12:27] <decklin> is there anything special in ubuntu's debootstrap, or can just use debootstrap in debian to install a ubuntu chroot?
[12:28] <snarf> is there a way to update ubuntu? you know, for security fixes and whatever
[12:28] <ions|Gnoppix> heh, gnoppix had suggested the same thing at the same time so I did it
[12:28] <ions|Gnoppix> sudo apt-get update
[12:28] <snarf> cool
[12:28] <kent> snarf,  make sure you have the security-fixes enabled with synaptic.  Then just upgrade.
[12:29] <ions|Gnoppix> yeah you can use synaptic as well
[12:29] <snarf> i ordered some of the free ubuntu cds.. how long does it take to ship? (usa)
[12:29] <Ribs> FOREVER!
[12:30] <ions|Gnoppix> why wouldn't sshd be installed by default?
[12:30] <ions|Gnoppix> snarf: I got mine in about 10 weeks
[12:30] <ions|Gnoppix> I ordered 10
[12:31] <jdub> ions|Gnoppix: we have a no-listening-ports-by-default policy, and not everyone wants an ssh server
[12:31] <rexiboy> did anyone here used ubuntu64 and than moved to 386?
[12:31] <ions|Gnoppix> oh
[12:31] <snarf> ok thanks
[12:32] <ions|Gnoppix> ok well here's the prob, I have the Live disk on an XP machine that I'd like to move about 12 gigs of data to backup then install ubuntu
[12:32] <ions|Gnoppix> any ideas how?  I was gonna sftp it onto my gentoo box
[12:32] <Altke> i edited my /etc/samba/smb.conf file and (correctly) added a share and changed my workgroup.  i ran testparm and it said it was all good.  but i cant access the smb share on another computer.  do i have to enable it somehow?
[12:32] <rexiboy> ions|Gnoppix, get another hard drive
[12:32] <ions|Gnoppix> ugh
[12:32] <ions|Gnoppix> I'd rather not
[12:32] <ions|Gnoppix> since I don't have an extra
[12:33] <ions|Gnoppix> that solution costs money
[12:33] <rexiboy> :)
[12:33] <rexiboy> not expensive though
[12:33] <ions|Gnoppix> although if I had one I'd be done by now
[12:34] <ions|Gnoppix> 2 computers on a local network should be able to transfer data
[12:34] <kent> right now i think that the only visable bug/problem with Hoary is that the weather applet in gnome tells me its 72 degrees celsius in Malmo (sweden). And thats way wrong. I have tried changing to farenheit, it seems way to much there aswell.
[12:34] <rexiboy> ions|Gnoppix, how big is your drive?
[12:34] <ions|Gnoppix> one is 120 this one is 40
[12:34] <MaddMarshall2k> is there a freely available version of wine or something that will run photoshop?
[12:34] <rexiboy> kent, maybe it's not wrong?? and we are going to hear about it soon... :)
[12:34] <Ribs> erm
[12:34] <ions|Gnoppix> the 120 is busy and I'm not  removing it
[12:35] <Ribs> you mean, wine? :)
[12:35] <Altke> 72C is pretty hot.. that's hotter than hot water out of a tap :p
[12:35] <luc1f3r> What is a common file sharing program for linux?
[12:35] <kipod> for some resone i can't run 3d screemsavers and games, what do i need to  check ( i  have installed nVidia drivers and i have configured my xorg file )
[12:35] <luc1f3r> something for downloading mp3s
[12:35] <sid77> MaddMarshall2k, The GIMP ;-)
[12:35] <kent> MaddMarshall2k, wine is free. Just install it (i dont know if its in Ubuntus archive, but it can be installed in other ways if not..)
[12:35] <rexiboy> ions|Gnoppix, can you partition it? create one at the end move the data, say goodbye to xpp...
[12:36] <ions|Gnoppix> hmm I dunno could I?  I don't want to lose this data
[12:36] <kipod> here is the err i get when i try 2 run tuxracer o remove and reinstall packages... the problem is probably somewhere else
[12:36] <rexiboy> kipod, when you first logon do you get the nvidia splash?
[12:36] <ions|Gnoppix> I *can't* lose this data
[12:36] <kipod> rexiboy,  yeah i do
[12:36] <kipod> *Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[12:36] <rexiboy> mmm
[12:37] <kent> godnight.
[12:37] <kipod> kent, g'night
[12:37] <ions|Gnoppix> I guess I could sftp into the Gentoo box and put files there from here since I can ssh out
[12:38] <rexiboy> anyone knows if the daily comes with 2.6.10?
[12:38] <gen> no
[12:38] <HrdwrBoB> rexiboy: you can update your system with it if you want
[12:39] <rexiboy> HrdwrBoB, i want to reinstall from scratch taking my 64 off...
[12:39] <rexiboy> ions|Gnoppix, how long this will take you???
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> I'm not at all sure what's in the daily CD images, sorry, I've updated from warty
[12:40] <ions|Gnoppix> sftping 12 gigs across a local network... 3 hours?
[12:41] <ions|Gnoppix> but at least I don't have to crawl under a desk and get dusty :)
[12:41] <VirtualDarKness> rexiboy, .. "daily" ?
[12:41] <pdux> hi
[12:41] <ions|Gnoppix> brb, gonna go start sshd on the gentoo box
[12:42] <pdux> where i can put my scripts in order to run at the startup ?
[12:43] <rexiboy> got it, it's still with 2.6.9-1
[12:43] <rexiboy> that will do for now :)
[12:44] <JDahl> does Ubuntu migrate source packages from Sid or Unstable? I've noticed that openafs 1.7x is in Sid now, and I am eagerly awaiting in Ununtu
[12:44] <pdux> what is the folder that i need to copy a script to in order to run that at the startup ?
[12:44] <rexiboy> just have to say that "Turboprint" is a dream to use and setting a printer! love it
[12:51] <chapter3> Anybody usin Horay?  I just did the latest update and now I can't login
[12:52] <JDahl> chapter3, it's the graphical login, isnt it? You probably need to remove xfree86 and then possibly reconfigure xorg
[12:52] <JDahl> chapter3, you can still login in console mode, with ctrl-alt-f1?
[12:54] <VirtualDarKness> JDahl, do you have the same problem?
[12:54] <JDahl> VirtualDarKness, no, I am just guessing...
[12:54] <kipod> chapter3,  u can't login ? what do u do
[12:54] <chapter3> The graphical login allows me to type my user/pass, it then changes the resolution to my saved resolution, then sits for a few second, then goes back to the gui login
[12:54] <daniels> gnome is broken
[12:54] <crimsun> is it gnome or gdm?
[12:54] <gen> sounds like gnome
[12:54] <crimsun> apt-listbugs has a grave one on gdm
[12:55] <gen> I bet
[12:55] <crimsun> chapter3: try reverting to 2.6.0.6-0ubuntu2
[12:56] <chapter3> How do i do that?
[12:56] <JDahl> if it's gnome, cant he just install fluxbox until gnome is fixed?
[12:56] <gen> or xfce, blackbox, openbox, etc
[12:57] <gen> jdahl, and yea if it's just gnome he can
[12:57] <chapter3> Hmm, some more updates, lemme install those
[12:57] <chapter3> Looked like just hal updates tho
[12:58] <crimsun> chapter3: yes, 4 hal-related updates resyncing with debian
[12:58] <chapter3> btw, i am able to select the "Failsafe Console" session and login to that, although it just gives a term session in the lower right corner of the screen
[01:00] <gen> chapter3, just install xfce or such from the failsafe terminal, for temporary use
[01:00] <gen> sudo apt-get install xfce4
[01:00] <chapter3> what is that?
[01:00] <crimsun> a lighter desktop environment
[01:00] <VirtualDarKness> a lightweight window manager
[01:00] <crimsun> (the wm for xfce4 is xfwm4)
[01:01] <VirtualDarKness> you're right ;)
[01:01] <VirtualDarKness> anyway it is based on gtk and it is very well done
[01:01] <chapter3> hmm ok, looks like it wants to install a bunch of packages, i'll wait a few hours, see if an update comes out, and if not, i'll install that
[01:01] <gen> it's not that big chapter3
[01:02] <gen> and of course it has a lot of packages
[01:02] <kipod> did some one in here installed nvidia driver on Ubuntu ( i mean complied the comeny driver form the site )
[01:03] <chapter3> ok ty for your help all :)
[01:03] <crimsun> kipod: why compile from site? it's already included with ubuntu
[01:03] <crimsun> kipod: (e.g., /wiki/BinaryDriverHowto)
[01:03] <VirtualDarKness> does someone tried gnome-bluetooth with hoary? I can't install/compile it..
[01:03] <kipod> crimsun,  yeah but it seemd that its not working
[01:03] <kipod> crimsun,  yeah i have been there
[01:03] <crimsun> kipod: describe "not working"
[01:04] <gen> kipod, did you "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" afterwards
[01:04] <kipod> when i m trying to run a game or a LGscreenSaver i resive this err Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:05] <Aure> hello
[01:05] <kipod> gen yeah
[01:05] <crimsun> kipod: warty? hoary?
[01:05] <kipod> hoary
[01:05] <crimsun> kipod: if you use hoary, you need to follow bugzilla closely
[01:05] <kipod> crimsun,  does it matte r?
[01:05] <gen> kipod, of course :)
[01:05] <crimsun> yes. It's a well-known issue for hoary.
[01:05] <kipod> =)
[01:05] <esher> anyone can tell me how to get xchat 2.4.1 .debs for ubuntu ?
[01:05] <Aure> i can't install mono packages on hoary. Do you have the same problem
[01:06] <gen> esher, in warty? you can use the backports
[01:06] <esher> ok i will try
[01:06] <crimsun> Aure: known issue, stalled from previous build
[01:06] <kipod> crimsun,  thank man ... can u plz gemme the bugzilla adress ... i m kinda new at this linux thingy
[01:06] <VirtualDarKness> gen, what about the gimp 2.2 backport.. is there any?
[01:06] <gen> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[01:06] <bigt> hi i installed talk and talkd question how do i get talkd to run it keeps saying no talk deamon?
[01:06] <crimsun> kipod: it's linked from the ubuntu web site
[01:07] <esher> where are backports from 2.4.1 ?
[01:07] <esher> backports.org dont have one
[01:07] <gen> i just gave you the link esher
[01:07] <esher> oh ok tnx :)
[01:07] <gen> be sure to apt-get update after you add to the sources.list
[01:08] <VirtualDarKness> gen, "be sure to apt-get update after you add to the sources.list" .. why?
[01:08] <Aure> crimsun, how can I fix this
[01:08] <gen> virtual, because you have to
[01:09] <gen> anytime you edit the /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:09] <gen> you need to apt-get update
[01:09] <esher> :)
[01:09] <crimsun> Aure: install from the other repo. Check the wiki for the other mono repo.
[01:10] <Aure> crimsun, ok, thanks!
[01:11] <VirtualDarKness> gen, right sorry.. I cofused "after" with "before" :D [getting tired!] 
[01:11] <tenzin> hello
[01:11] <gen> hello
[01:12] <tenzin> is this ubuntu-supportchannel only for english-people?
[01:12] <kipod> crimsun,  its says there that the problem is fixed https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3698
[01:13] <JDahl> tenzin, it's an english speaking channel, yes
[01:13] <tenzin> JDahl, does exist an german-ubuntu-chanel too?
[01:13] <JDahl> tenzin, I wouldnt know
[01:14] <kipod> any way i m off to sleep
[01:14] <sa> lo
[01:14] <kipod> g'night all of ya
[01:14] <gen> night kipod
[01:15] <sa> is there a command that i can run to nuke all of gnome off a fresh install?
[01:15] <sa> anyone around?
[01:16] <JDahl> sa, probably aptitude can do it for you if install another wm at the same time (otherwise X will be removed)
[01:16] <sa> already have xfce4 installed :)
[01:16] <sa> just want to nuke gnome and have the install load to a command prompt instead of the gdm or whatever it is that loads to login
[01:17] <jdub> sa: remove glib, then install xfce
[01:17] <GFXstyLER> hi
[01:17] <jdub> that's a pretty strong way of doing it
[01:18] <seb128> libgtk is enough
[01:18] <sa> need gtk
[01:18] <sa> xfce4 is gtk
[01:18] <seb128> you can reinstall after removing :)
[01:18] <jdub> sa: when you remove it, it will remove gnome. then you install xfce, which will install it again.
[01:18] <seb128> yeah, but remove libgtk it'll remove all the package on top of it
[01:18] <seb128> then reinstall  xfce
[01:18] <sa> apt-get remove libgtk is the command right?
[01:19] <seb128> libgtk2.0-0
[01:19] <sa> sorry, moving to ubuntu from freebsd
[01:19] <seb128> no problem, don't worry :)
[01:19] <seb128> "sudo apt-get remove libgtk2.0-0"
[01:19] <sa> aye
[01:19] <sa> i know a little bout using apt
[01:20] <GFXstyLER> can someone tell me how was the ubuntu beta called again?
[01:20] <sa> i must admit i really like the default setup of the distro to use sudo instead of su -
[01:20] <VirtualDarKness> GFXstyLER, do you mean hoary?
[01:20] <GFXstyLER> yes, thank you :)
[01:20] <sa> wtf
[01:20] <GFXstyLER> i forgot
[01:20] <sa> why does apt want the install cd?
[01:21] <gen> "wtf"
[01:21] <JDahl> wouldnt it be nice to just mark gnome for removal in aptitude instead of removing libgtk, gnome, xfce, X, + whatever development libraries he might have?
[01:21] <VirtualDarKness> GFXstyLER, np was easy to forgot to me too the first times ;)
[01:21] <JDahl> nicer
[01:21] <GFXstyLER> maybe this is a stupid question but, are there many bugs in hoary?
[01:21] <izaac> cause there are packages it'll need to install to satisfy dependencies
[01:22] <gen> gfx, of course
[01:22] <izaac> sa: thats why
[01:22] <Ward> Hi, I've got a cisco aironet wireless card which has been installed automatically by ubuntu. I've got a eth1 and wifi0 in iwconfig, but I'm not able to change something, even not the ESSID
[01:22] <GFXstyLER> ok thats something that scares me of
[01:22] <sa> but why not get them from remote archives?
[01:23] <sa> why does it need to get them from the disc? that's the first time i've ever needed an install disc after the install was taken care of...
[01:23] <izaac> sa: modify the /etc/apt/sources.list and comment the line of the cd
[01:23] <krix> hey
[01:23] <VirtualDarKness> sa, you can also use synaptic
[01:23] <krix> on a fresh install warty i did a dist-upgrade to hoary
[01:23] <izaac> VirtualDarKness: yeah thats another way
[01:23] <sa> thanks
[01:23] <JDahl> sa, I would run aptitude from a console.. type '/^gnome$' to find find gnome, mark it for removel with '-' and remove it witk 'g'
[01:23] <sa> VirtualDarKness: thanks, but i like using cli tools
[01:23] <krix> btw i hit apt-get install gnome-desktop-envirnoment
[01:24] <krix> then it says can ot install because nautilus-media >=0.8.1 is requied
[01:24] <krix> btw nautilus-media depends on libnautilus2-2
[01:24] <krix> but
[01:24] <izaac> sa: nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:24] <izaac> :D
[01:24] <krix> apt-get install libnautilus2-2 says that
[01:24] <punkrockguy318> is cupsys broken in hoary?
[01:24] <krix> nautils libnautilis.. packages replaces the libnautilus2-2 :)
[01:25] <krix> so what to do now? :)))
[01:25] <sa> if there is a .xinitrc in a home directory, X will use that before a default setup right?
[01:25] <sa> brb, going to test something, thanks alot for the help
[01:25] <VirtualDarKness> sa, you can also use vi instead of nano .. lol :D
[01:25] <sa> aye VirtualDarKness
[01:25] <sa> i use vi :)
[01:25] <VirtualDarKness> hehe
[01:25] <VirtualDarKness> bye
[01:25] <VirtualDarKness> later
[01:25] <hypa7ia> i'm having a very strange cd-burning issue... the last 4 cd's i've burned have been returning this error when i try to md5sum /dev/cdrom
[01:25] <hypa7ia> $ md5sum /dev/cdrom
[01:25] <hypa7ia> error processing /dev/cdrom: failed in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Input/output error
[01:25] <hypa7ia> any ideas?
[01:25] <hypa7ia> this is in warty, btw
[01:26] <hypa7ia> and known good cdr's will still md5sum
[01:26] <regeya> gah.  it's insulting enough that I'm stuck on a dialup line at home (live in the country, direcway too expensive, etc.) but it's raining like crazy and I think there are some wet connections somewhere. :-/
[01:26] <regeya> I've slowed to about the equivalent of 9600 baud
[01:26] <gen> 9600 baud haha
[01:26] <hypa7ia> that's brootal
[01:27] <hypa7ia> my winmodem doesn't even work with linuxant... had to boot into windoze last time i needed dialup >_<
[01:27] <hypa7ia> hadn't sullied my machine with a reboot in 2 months :-(
[01:28] <odyssey> hi im following the steps on the wiki to install beagle from cvs and am trying to make dbus from cvs as it says to do however it wont make as it says there is no makefile present? Any ideas?
[01:29] <hypa7ia> so no one has any ideas on the cd-burning issue?
[01:29] <punkrockguy318> hypa7ia, :-\ sorry not here
[01:30] <hypa7ia> dammit!
[01:30] <odyssey> heh
[01:31] <ingful> hi there =)
[01:31] <hypa7ia> haha, i just got like 10 ctcp versions :-p
[01:31] <sensebend> :)
[01:31] <sensebend> I haven't got a reply yet
[01:31] <gen> i didn't either
[01:32] <sensebend> we're ddosing him with ctcp version
[01:32] <sensebend> :)
[01:32] <the--dud> i dont suppose anyone happen to have the jre-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin file on their pc?
[01:32] <Ensiferum> hello all. thanks for all the help people.
[01:32] <sensebend> I do the--dud
[01:32] <Ensiferum> http://www.student.oulu.fi/~savaisan/stuff/adventures.txt
[01:32] <the--dud> the stupid sun downloadcenter is down...
[01:32] <the--dud> sensebend, dont suppose you'd be kind enough to send it?
[01:32] <hypa7ia> sensebend: not he :-p
[01:33] <sensebend> there you go
[01:33] <the--dud> great, thanks a lot
[01:33] <sensebend> is Sun's site down?
[01:34] <the--dud> nah, just their download center
[01:34] <sensebend> that sucks
[01:34] <ingful> erhm ... anyone know in which paket i can find gnome-ppp ?
[01:34] <the--dud> "The Sun Download Center is temporarily unavailable."
[01:34] <the--dud> Sun sucks in general hehe
[01:34] <sensebend> just when I was gonna get Solaris for x86 ;) under their educational license
[01:34] <sensebend> hehehe, not
[01:35] <JDahl> ingful, in gnome-ppp package
[01:35] <ingful> it's not on my CD JDahl
[01:35] <ingful> :(
[01:36] <JDahl> ingful, maybe you need to add universe to /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:36] <ingful> thx#
[01:36] <ingful> thanx
[01:38] <odyssey> hi im getting this error any ideas please? "Now type 'make' to compile dbus. user@alice:~/cvs/dbus $ make make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop."
[01:38] <sa> yay
[01:38] <sa> loaded in xfce4 now
[01:38] <arava> Can somebody plz help me
[01:38] <sa> sup arava ?
[01:38] <arava> iam stuck in this cramfs initrd stuff
[01:39] <arava> sup ?
[01:39] <sa> short for what's up :)
[01:39] <arava> K
[01:39] <the--dud> nice speed btw sensebend
[01:39] <arava> actually i need to run 2.4 kernel
[01:39] <the--dud> for upload that is...
[01:39] <arava> iam trying to make the kernel package the deb way
[01:39] <sensebend> you're just being nice
[01:39] <sensebend> I need more
[01:39] <sa> i was hoping the default grub config would boot winxp partition just fine
[01:39] <sa> but it's being a pita
[01:40] <sensebend> you're welcome though :)
[01:40] <arava> i tried the normal way though
[01:40] <gen> how much is it (upload) sense
[01:40] <arava> i get Kernel Panic saying
[01:40] <krix> hm in hoary the multiverse repo is for what ?
[01:40] <arava> not able to find root
[01:41] <sensebend> 512kbps
[01:41] <sensebend> arava, root is disabled
[01:41] <sensebend> you can do root tasks through sudo and your user password
[01:41] <sensebend> err nevermind, I didn't read what you wrote before that
[01:41] <arava> sensebed i think u got me wrong
[01:41] <sensebend> I think I did too
[01:41] <arava> i was not talking abt root stuff
[01:41] <sensebend> :)
[01:43] <sa> should a grub entry (never used grub) for XP have savedefault, makeactive, and chainloader +1 ?
[01:43] <arava> no its a single linux system (no dual boot)
[01:43] <sa> mine is a dual boot
[01:43] <sa> well, trying to get it to be anyway lol
[01:44] <arava> and iam using lilo for some awkward reason
[01:45] <arava> So ne body knows how to get 2.4 kernel running on Ubuntu ?
[01:45] <gen> arava, why do you want to run 2.4 again
[01:45] <arava> well .. i need it for some patch which is available for 2.4
[01:46] <gen> patch for?
[01:46] <arava> Fast TCP
[01:47] <arava> K if i have to compile the vannila kernel from kernel.org do we need to put up some patches ?
[01:47] <Cube-ness> much confusion.. i cannot get a stinking entry in /dev/ for an ide hd i just plopped in..ubuntu is installed on sata hd, and there used to be 2 ide cdroms, now its a cdrom and hd.. computer see's the drive, i can boot the OS on it from grub.. and the Disks, system tools, see the drive (even says /dev/hdb), but theres no info on it.. what going on ?
[01:47] <subterrific> arava: ubuntu is designed for 2.6 kernel, i think you're going to run into a lot of problems trying to use a 2.4 kernel and no one is going to want to help you
[01:48] <GFXstyLER> hi
[01:48] <subterrific> arava: if you don't have the knowledge to get it working, then you're better off not using ubuntu
[01:48] <GFXstyLER> is there a way to have a boot screen in warty like the livecd has?
[01:48] <subterrific> arava: or maybe stop using FastTCP whatever that is...
[01:48] <jdub> GFXstyLER: no, but there'll be a cool boot thingy in the next release
[01:49] <gen> thingy
[01:49] <GFXstyLER> thx jdub
[01:49] <gen> nice choice of words jdub :)
[01:49] <spikeb> heh
[01:49] <arava> K .. thanx for he suggestion but i tried it bcoz i didnt get running on Deb
[01:49] <gen> bcoz
[01:49] <Cube-ness> is there something in /etc/udev maybe that i stopping me form accessing the ide hd?
[01:49] <arava> Deb also had the same issue
[01:50] <sa> arg
[01:50] <sa> grub isn't booting my xp partition
[01:50] <subterrific> arava: you'd probably have even more problems with ubuntu then because it is further along in its support for 2.6 kernel
[01:51] <JDahl> I would be surprised if, e.g., hotplug works with kernel 2.4 in Ubuntu
[01:51] <JDahl> alsa is probably going to be nightmare also
[01:51] <jdub> surprised? i'd fall over and die straight away. :-)
[01:53] <GFXstyLER> is this a known problem that while xmms is playing music no other sounds are playable/hearable ?
[01:53] <esher> are there anyone k3b clone for gnome ?
[01:53] <GFXstyLER> no
[01:53] <GFXstyLER> gnome-toaster maybe but thats no k3b clone
[01:53] <jdub> esher: there are a few projects around that do similar stuff, but none are packaged for ubuntu yet
[01:53] <scoon> esher, you could check out xcdroast
[01:53] <jdub> esher: perhaps you'd like to test one -> gnome-baker, optimystic, coaster, and a few others
[01:53] <sa> anyone know why grub would be failing to load my xp partition?
[01:54] <esher> well, k3b from ubuntu backport dont see my recorder
[01:54] <Hitchhiker90> =)
[01:54] <Hitchhiker90> (=
[01:54] <esher> tnx jdub , i try some
[01:54] <GFXstyLER> does ubuntu need a initrd image if i have a separate /boot ext2 partition?
[01:54] <sa> i had made some space on my hd using partition magic
[01:54] <sa> so the xp partition is before the linux one
[01:55] <jdub> GFXstyLER: the ubuntu kernels use initrd, yes
[01:55] <sa> i've got menu.lst to readL rootnoverify(hd0,0), makeactive, chainloader +1
[01:55] <sa> but if i select the xp partition it just hangs
[01:55] <GFXstyLER> i want to compile the 2.6.10 kernel
[01:55] <sa> and i really need to get that back up and running tonight
[01:55] <GFXstyLER> but i dont know how to to this initrd thingy
[01:56] <Aure> another problem w/ my hoary: each time I reboot, I need to set the volume up. How can I fix this ?
[01:56] <subterrific> arava: GFXstyLER read the instructions for compiling a kernel on debian
[01:56] <subterrific> oops
[01:56] <jdub> GFXstyLER: 2.6.10 is already in hoary
[01:56] <the--dud> i dont suppose anyone know where wx-conf happens to be in ubuntu?
[01:56] <the--dud> or which package provides it?
[01:56] <GFXstyLER> @subterrific: thx
[01:56] <the--dud> it seems to be related to wxGKT, but that doesnt provide it as far as i can see
[01:57] <scoon> Aure, set you controls and then do a alsactl store
[01:57] <GFXstyLER> @jdub: but hoary has many bugs i heard so i guess is better for me to not use it
[01:57] <sa> anyone know how to help with my problem?
[01:57] <Cube-ness> speaking of Hoary.. i still get kernel panic at boot.. when hotplug tried to init
[01:57] <subterrific> GFXstyLER: there are a bunch of tools you'll need to install, but in the end you basically end up with a .deb for installing the kernel
[01:57] <Cube-ness> ..when using kernel 2.6.9
[01:57] <Aure> scoon, thanks!
[01:57] <JDahl> sa, I just pm'ed you the section from my menu.lst
[01:57] <scoon> Aure, np
[01:58] <jdub> GFXstyLER: it's the devel branch, sure, but it's not terrible. perhaps pull 2.6.10 from hoary.
[01:58] <sa> JDahl: on the forums?
[01:58] <JDahl> no, here
[01:58] <sa> JDahl: didn't see it
[01:58] <GFXstyLER> @jdub: so you think i should give it a try ?
[01:59] <gen> cube-ness, for pciehp and shpchp i assume, if so the fix is in the wiki
[02:00] <Cube-ness> gen, cool.. i'll try to find it
[02:00] <Aure> last question : NVIDIA drivers work well, but I need to reinstall them each time I reboot. How can I fix this ?
[02:00] <gen> cubeness
[02:00] <gen> just edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[02:00] <gen> and add "shpchp" and "pciehp"
[02:00] <gen> to the very bottom
[02:00] <gen> without quotes of course (sorry for the quasi-flood there)
[02:00] <Cube-ness> heh
[02:01] <Cube-ness> ok..will try
[02:01] <Cube-ness> thanks
[02:01] <gen> no problem
[02:01] <Cube-ness> brb.. with luck, in a newer kernel
[02:01] <sa> JDahl: could you do me a favor and pm that info to me on the ubuntu forums? the handle is sah
[02:01] <scoon> Aure, hmmm.  that is an odd one.
[02:01] <JDahl> sa, sure
[02:01] <scoon> Aure, never heard of that happening b4.
[02:02] <sa> JDahl: thanks, really need to get something done on the windows side ><
[02:02] <scoon> Aure, have you added nvidia to /etc/modules and changed nv to nvidia in /etc/X11/XF86Conf-4 ?
[02:02] <the--dud> hmm, is this something ubuntu specific
[02:02] <Aure> scoon, it warns me about a rivafb module activated in the kernel, but lsmod dont't list it
[02:02] <the--dud> gtk+ should have a file called gtk-conf, and similar wxgtk+ has one called wx-conf
[02:02] <scoon> Aure, what is the warning ?
[02:03] <the--dud> none of those are present on my hoary ubuntu
[02:03] <scoon> Aure, also, how did you intall the nvidia module ?
[02:03] <Aure> scoon, my /etc/modules.conf is empty
[02:04] <Aure> scoon, i shutdown gdm and do a nvidia-installer
[02:04] <scoon> use the installer from nvidia, Aure ?
[02:04] <Aure> yes
[02:05] <JDahl> sa, should be sent
[02:05] <Aure> scoon, my /etc/modules.conf is empty. Is it normal ?
[02:05] <scoon> Aure, and then do you change nv to nvidia in your xconf file ?
[02:05] <Aure> yes
[02:05] <scoon> Aure, so now you need to and nvidia to /etc/modules.conf
[02:05] <scoon> that will auto load the nvidia module when booting
[02:05] <jdub> to /etc/modules
[02:05] <jdub> not /etc/modules.conf
[02:05] <scoon> Aure, sorry,
[02:06] <scoon> /etc/modules
[02:06] <scoon> not modules.conf
[02:06] <Aure> ho!
[02:06] <Cube-ness> gen, nope.. still panics.. somethign about not syncing
[02:06] <Aure> nvidia is under comment
[02:06] <gen> not syncing what?
[02:06] <sa> JDahl: thanks, going to reboot now to test :)
[02:06] <scoon> Aure, anyway, any module you put there will get loaded when you boot up.
[02:06] <subterrific> GFXstyLER: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/
[02:06] <gen> would help to know all of the error Cube-ness
[02:07] <Aure> scoon, jdub : i reboot to test
[02:07] <subterrific> GFXstyLER: jdub was suggesting that you try one of those 2.6.10 linux-image .deb's with warty
[02:07] <scoon> Aure, all right.
[02:07] <Cube-ness> gen, sorry.. not syncing.. doesnt tell what.. and something about tried to kill an idle task
[02:07] <Cube-ness> sometimes i get that
[02:07] <GFXstyLER> subterrific: thx very much :)
[02:09] <Cube-ness> gen, if it'd help, i can retry and jot down the exact message.. shouldnt it be in some log somewhere?
[02:10] <Aure> scoon, it works perfectly! thanks
[02:10] <scoon> Aure, np.  sorry for the confusion.
[02:10] <scoon> Aure, just to help clear things up
[02:11] <scoon> Aure, try reading man pages for modules and modules.conf
[02:12] <Aure> i never had a problem w/ modules, so i never had to read those pages... But i'll do that
[02:12] <subterrific> jdub: http://elektra.sf.net, any thoughts on that? maybe for grumpy?
[02:13] <Aure> Now, I need to sleep, it's late late late for me. Seeya !
[02:13] <jdub> subterrific: the author, and the idea, are entirely scary.
[02:13] <scoon> Aure, cya.
[02:16] <ogra> 'Elektra was formerly named Linux Registry'
[02:16] <ogra> lol
[02:16] <subterrific> jdub: what is scary about the idea besides the amount of work it would take?
[02:17] <jdub> subterrific: it's not necessarily a great idea. the implementation is total crack, too.
[02:17] <jdub> so if you take a half-baked idea, and bake it with crack, you get... well, fully baked crack.
[02:17] <jdub> which is not healthy, you see.
[02:19] <subterrific> jdub: i'll admit i haven't looked at the implementation, but the screenshots of all those worthless CDATA blocks are a little scary
[02:20] <subterrific> jdub: i still think the basic concept is a good idea though, as it makes configuration easier, which can't be bad
[02:20] <the--dud> i just used alien to make a qdvdauthor package, should i like, contact someone to get it in the hoary repos?
[02:20] <jdub> subterrific: "easier" doesn't necessarily mean "put it all in the same big mess"
[02:20] <the--dud> or isnt an alien'd suse rpm good enough?
[02:23] <subterrific> jdub: no, but i think "easier" does mean providing a standard for conf files. a standard probably including: API, format, location, tools
[02:23] <kezz> wouldn't apache etc have to be onboard with this?
[02:23] <dissidentcitizen> hey guys, whenever I use the apt-get command I always get a message saying "E: Couldn't find package". Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
[02:24] <kezz> the package isn't in ur lists
[02:24] <kezz> mite need to uncomment the universe repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:24] <esher> many try's to compile from source ends with: configure error: C++ preprocessor "lib/cpp/" fails sanity check ... but g++ is installed
[02:24] <kezz> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.lst
[02:24] <esher> anyone can help ?
[02:24] <kezz> then sudo apt-get update
[02:25] <jdub> subterrific: different pieces of software have very, very different needs. there's enough evidence of this already (windows registry, gconf, etc).
[02:25] <kezz> esher have you got build-essential installed?
[02:25] <rgs> never tried irc before, just set up an old Dell poweredge with Ubuntu
[02:25] <esher> kezz, i check 1mom
[02:26] <esher> no :)
[02:26] <esher> tnx mate
[02:26] <esher> works now :D
[02:26] <kezz> :)
[02:28] <esher> i love ubuntu, no other debian-dist runns so smooth on my notebook ;>
[02:28] <kezz> yeah its the best i've found for my ibook
[02:28] <dissidentcitizen> yep kezz I haven't uncommented those lines, but how can I alter the documents read-only properties to change them?
[02:29] <subterrific> jdub: i agree, but i think what you just said helps the case for some sort of standard, both the windows registry and gconf are standards. the issue being that we've got no standard for lower-level needs. gconf is too heavy for sshd, xorg, etc...
[02:29] <kezz> ah dissidentcitizen you need to sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.lst
[02:29] <dissidentcitizen> okay, have opened it up
[02:29] <kezz> then sudo apt-get update
[02:29] <dissidentcitizen> ah, cunning.....brb
[02:31] <dissidentcitizen> ok I have entered apt-get update into the sources.lst but nothing happens?
[02:31] <kezz> no dissidentcitizen
[02:31] <kezz> you need to remove that and also remove the # in fron of the universe lines
[02:32] <kezz> then ctrl+o ctrl+x to save and exit
[02:32] <kezz> then type sudo apt-get update at the command line
[02:32] <kezz> the # means that apt will ignore these lines
[02:32] <dissidentcitizen> ok I think I understand, but when I open my sources.lst file in nano its empty
[02:32] <kezz> where as you want it to use them
[02:32] <kezz> sudo /etc/apt/sources.lst
[02:33] <kezz> sorry with a nano in the middle
[02:33] <grepper>   /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:33] <dissidentcitizen> ok yep have done that, it opens a black nano window with various commands at the bottom
[02:33] <kezz> heh yeah my bad
[02:34] <kezz> its /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:34] <dissidentcitizen> oh! hehe ok yeah its opened ok now....
[02:35] <usual> ** (totem:6904): WARNING **: Visualization disabled because your gst-plugins is too old (0.8.6.0)
[02:36] <usual> anyone know when gstreamer is going to get updated in hoary
[02:36] <krix> bye
[02:36] <jdub> subterrific: gconf isn't too heavy, it's just inappropriate.
[02:36] <jdub> subterrific: elektra is also inappropraite.
[02:36] <kezz> can't you update the plugins?
[02:37] <lifeless> jdub: is gnome-phonemgr in hoary ?
[02:38] <sobralense> is the gdesklets a bit slow or its the hoary I'm using.. ?
[02:38] <jdub> lifeless: not yet
[02:38] <jdub> lifeless: it'll be in universe probably
[02:39] <lifeless> K. see you soon
[02:42] <subterrific> jdub: by heavy i mean dependencies: ldd /usr/lib/libgconf.so shows 11 libraries
[02:43] <usual> will gstreamer be updated to a version capable of playing dvd's in hoary before release?
[02:44] <usual> or does no one know
[02:44] <TheMuso> subterrific: In terms of linked libraries, you haven't seen anything. I have seen executables and libraries linked to over a screen full of libraries.
[02:44] <jdub> subterrific: not a huge issue
[02:44] <usual> I've asked for a couple days now without answer
[02:45] <jdub> usual: gstreamer can play dvd's, but we can't ship the required bits underneath
[02:46] <usual> jdub, I havn't been able to get gstreamer totem to play dvd's even with the codecs and libdvdcss2 installed, xine yes but gstreamer no, it claims the version isn't capable, so do the people in gstreamer
[02:46] <subterrific> jdub: for a more universal config API, you'd only want to depend on libc. i agree that this sort of library would be inappropriate for a few applications, but the aim would be to help a majority and looking at the smiliarities in most of the config files in /etc, and $HOME/.*.conf it shouldn't be difficult
[02:46] <usual> #gstreamer
[02:47] <subterrific> jdub: it is a huge issue, sshd would never be able to use gconf
[02:47] <jdub> usual: ah, with totem? no, you couldn't do that until the very latest totem that is now in hoary
[02:47] <jdub> subterrific: dude. it's a dumb idea anyway. i have very low care factor for it. :)
[02:48] <usual> jdub, I just updated totem in hoary, it claims the version of the gstreamer plugins isn't high enough to play dvd's
[02:48] <jdub> subterrific: read countless mails on xdg about it if you're really interested.
[02:48] <jdub> usual: there you go :)
[02:48] <usual> ** (totem:7147): WARNING **: Visualization disabled because your gst-plugins is too old (0.8.6.0)
[02:48] <crimsun> perhaps it needs 0.8.8?
[02:48] <usual> jdub, thats why i was asking if they were going to be updated
[02:48] <usual> I think I do need 8.8
[02:49] <jdub> they will be at some stage, yes
[02:49] <usual> yes
[02:49] <usual> ok
[02:49] <usual> thank you
[02:49] <usual> wonder who the maint is
[02:49] <jdub> anything in the gnome platform or desktop release will be updated until preview
[02:49] <jdub> seb128 maintains them for ubuntu
[02:49] <usual> k
[02:50] <usual> thanks
[02:58] <kebac> how do i put my existing user to audio-group?
[03:00] <crimsun> sudo adduser youruser audio
[03:00] <crimsun> then log out and back in
[03:02] <kebac> thanks
[03:09] <xhypno> anyone used perl formats???
[03:09] <kebac> how do i enable root acount?
[03:10] <restrex> kebac how do i enable root acount?
[03:10] <restrex> graphically?
[03:10] <kebac> my friend asks
[03:10] <crimsun> the answer is on the wiki
[03:10] <restrex> yea :)
[03:10] <setite> no
[03:10] <restrex> kebac read a little :) passwd in root (by sudo -s)
[03:11] <restrex> crimsun the answer is on the wiki
[03:11] <restrex> :)
[03:11] <jdub> restrex: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:11] <jdub> kebac: but i don't recommend doing it :)
[03:11] <restrex> jdub I know :)
[03:11] <jdub> restrex: you should point to it when answering
[03:11] <restrex> jdub ok :)
[03:13] <setite> @find linux
[03:13] <setite> whoops wrong network
[03:15] <adoyretsamon> occy: yo
[03:16] <passdoubt> hi
[03:16] <Guardiann> hello
[03:19] <drspin> awww - flamewars still offtopic :-(
[03:19] <ycco> w00p
[03:19] <drspin> ;) hi all!
[03:19] <ycco> nomasteryoda :)
[03:19] <kebac> lol
[03:19] <ycco> crimsun ogra Got my laptop up and going with Ubuntu finally!
[03:20] <kebac> this 'sudo' thing sucks
[03:20] <ycco> kebac sudo rox
[03:20] <adoyretsamon> ycco, so you back up on Ubuntu
[03:20] <ycco> kebac sudo su -
[03:20] <kebac> quote from wiki: Q: What about a trojan shell script containing a line like "sudo rm -rf /" executed in the user account? A: What about a trojan shell script containing "rm -rf /", or one which records all of your keystrokes (including passwords) and sends a copy to the attacker? Running untrusted scripts is always dangerous.
[03:20] <ycco> kebac and you can do anything you want as you normally would as root.
[03:20] <kebac> where's the answer?
[03:20] <ycco> anyone logging in as root is a moron.
[03:20] <adoyretsamon> ycco, one of the guys (ragreen asked about a site... lol)
[03:20] <ycco> IMNSHO
[03:21] <adoyretsamon> ycco: certainly
[03:21] <regeya> o_O
[03:21] <drspin> ycco: agreed
[03:21] <crimsun> occy/ycco: excellent!
[03:21] <adoyretsamon> well, off to the neighbors to help get her on the net.
[03:21] <adoyretsamon> bb later.
[03:21] <ycco> sorry, that wasn't a very good advocacy statement was it?
[03:21] <ycco> heh
[03:21] <ycco> adoyretsamon heh, copy cat. :P
[03:21] <adoyretsamon> maybe wifi via d505
[03:21] <adoyretsamon> lol
[03:21] <ycco> err tac  ypoc
[03:22] <regeya> it was especially amusing when I first took this machine down to singleuser, and it asked me for the root password.
[03:22] <adoyretsamon> nomasteryoda says hey, hey, hey!
[03:22] <ycco> crimsun yah, nomasteryoda <-- let me use his cdrom, and it worked like a charm.
[03:22] <crimsun> rock
[03:22] <ycco> stupid cd.
[03:22] <setite> nomasteryoda... a little backards today?
[03:22] <ycco> err
[03:22] <adoyretsamon> ycco: and my broadband..lol
[03:22] <ycco> stupid cdrom
[03:22] <adoyretsamon> yea
[03:22] <ycco> adoyretsamon heh
[03:22] <ycco> hahahahahah
[03:23] <ycco> touchdown USC!
[03:23] <etites> look im cool too
[03:23] <adoyretsamon> had to crawl under the house to unstop the pipes
[03:23] <adoyretsamon> XX fingers it worked
[03:23] <ycco> setite heh
[03:23] <ycco> adoyretsamon better you than me bud.
[03:23] <adoyretsamon> hehe
[03:23] <ycco> had to go under my in-laws house to run cat5
[03:23] <ycco> that wasn't fun.
[03:23] <adoyretsamon> lol
[03:24] <adoyretsamon> at least its 4-5 ft here
[03:24] <adoyretsamon> l8r
[03:24] <ycco> Should I be able to simply use my XF86Config-4 file from Fedora Core 1.0?
[03:25] <ycco> it worked at 1400x1050 just fine.
[03:26] <ycco> adoyretsamon 1024x768 is a silly res on these displays.
[03:26] <ycco> 1400x1050 is perfect.
[03:26] <crimsun> ycco: yes
[03:26] <ycco> crimsun ahh ok.  I'll wait till the apt-get dist-upgrade is finished.
[03:26] <ycco> crimsun my desktop experience with hoary wasn't fun. ;)
[03:26] <ycco> hehe
[03:27] <ycco> I'm sure it probably could have been fixed, but I didn't want to bug people with questions about unstable.
[03:27] <crimsun> yeah, hoary is teething currently
[03:27] <ycco> if you are going to run testing, you should know what you are doing.  (and I don't)
[03:27] <ycco> heh
[03:28] <luc1f3r> Guys: when packages are uninstallable, what does that mean and what do I do if i need them as dependencies for a program??
[03:29] <ycco> luc1f3r not enough info
[03:29] <ycco> luc1f3r need to know what you are talking about exactly.
[03:29] <ycco> luc1f3r cheesy nick.  heh
[03:29] <ycco> :)
[03:29] <regeya> luc1f3r, the uninstallable package breaks dependencies in some way, and installing it may break other packages.
[03:30] <regeya> plenty of info for a generic answer, not enough to help with the specific problem. ;-)
[03:30] <ycco> regeya hehe
[03:30] <regeya> and mind you if what I say doesn't make sense, I'm suffering from insomnia.  that's my excuse today.
[03:31] <Danko123456> Hi, Ive got an ez one...
[03:31] <ycco> hahaha, intercepted.
[03:31] <Danko123456> How to add a user?
[03:31] <ycco> if what I say doesn't make sense, it's because I don't know what I'm talking about.
[03:31] <ycco> Danko123456 man useradd
[03:31] <ycco> Danko123456 or adduser
[03:31] <Danko123456> hehe
[03:31] <Danko123456> thanks...
[03:31] <ycco> something like:
[03:31] <ycco> adduser user_name
[03:31] <ycco> one does one thing, another does another.
[03:32] <ycco> Can't remember which is prefered.
[03:32] <ycco> w00p, dist-upgrade complete
[03:32] <Danko123456> adduser
[03:32] <Danko123456> then it prompts you
[03:32] <regeya> luc1f3r, what are you trying to install, and what package is uninstallable?
[03:32] <Danko123456> how do you update OS?
[03:32] <ycco> Danko123456 sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:33] <ycco> Danko123456 kick back and enjoy.
[03:33] <martinald> hi
[03:33] <martinald> i'm having problems building software on ubuntu
[03:33] <martinald> i have apt-get install gcc
[03:33] <martinald> but when i try and compile some software it always complains and dies at the stage where it tries to find the gnu C++ compiler
[03:33] <martinald> the gnu C compiler is found no problems whowever
[03:33] <martinald> however
[03:34] <crimsun> martinald: install build-essential
[03:35] <martinald> ah. yes, that would make sense. thanks v. much
[03:35] <martinald> i'm guessing this is going to cure about a billion issues i've had with this :)
[03:36] <passdoubt> anybody know how to go about setting up an old ISA Awe 64 in ubuntu
[03:37] <martinald> god, that's old :)
[03:37] <martinald> sndconfig?
[03:37] <ycco> hmmm
[03:37] <ycco> crimsun how do I reconfigure X?
[03:38] <crimsun> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:38] <ycco> it didn't like my Fedora Core 1.0 XF86Config-4 file.
[03:38] <passdoubt> on boot alsa mixer says alsactl: load state 1134 no sound cards found
[03:38] <Danko123456> whats that command in unix, like a write, that splits the screen in two...?
[03:38] <martinald> screen?
[03:38] <martinald> no
[03:39] <Danko123456> none?
[03:39] <Danko123456> buhu...
[03:39] <martinald> erm
[03:39] <martinald> how do you mean, splits the screen in two?
[03:39] <Danko123456> like a chat...
[03:40] <martinald> write?
[03:40] <martinald> i don't know what you mean
[03:40] <Danko123456> I know its sthg like that.
[03:40] <Danko123456> among users.
[03:40] <Danko123456> you can have many users logged on right...
[03:40] <martinald> ok, i am having a problem with glib..  Requested 'glib-2.0 >= 2.4.0' but version of GLib is 2.2.0
[03:40] <Danko123456> so they can talk
[03:40] <martinald> yes
[03:40] <martinald> write probably
[03:41] <martinald> yes thats what you want
[03:41] <Danko123456> hm...
[03:41] <martinald> type write [username] 
[03:41] <Danko123456> let me see.
[03:41] <martinald> presse enter
[03:41] <ycco> hmmm, it said that I had /dev/input/mice for a mouse on my laptop before... but this lappie doesn't have usb.
[03:41] <ycco> err
[03:41] <ycco> doesn't have usb mouse.  I have a touchpad
[03:41] <martinald> /dev/input/mouse?
[03:41] <ycco>  s/mouse/mice/
[03:41] <Danko123456> hey bash is pretty cool...you can edit the command line...
[03:41] <Danko123456> :)
[03:42] <martinald> anyone know where i can get glib-2.4.0 from?
[03:42] <martinald> ubuntu only seems to have 2.2.0
[03:42] <Danko123456> Where are all the bin dirs?
[03:42] <Danko123456> I mean I need to find a program...
[03:42] <crimsun> martinald: hmm?
[03:43] <crimsun> martinald: apt-get install libglib2.0-dev
[03:43] <martinald> yes that's what i have done
[03:43] <martinald> but it only has 2.2.0
[03:43] <crimsun> martinald: ...warty/main has 2.4.7-0ubuntu2
[03:43] <martinald> yes but it contains 2.2.0
[03:43] <ycco> crimsun is there a GUI way to configure X?
[03:44] <nomasteryoda> Danko123456, if you know the name type 'which programname'
[03:44] <ycco> :/
[03:44] <nomasteryoda> or apropos wireless
[03:44] <crimsun> ycco: ...a gui way to configure a gui?
[03:44] <ycco> crimsun well.... I just need to get X working.
[03:44] <method55> is mozilla thunderbird in the synaptic package manager only version 0.8?
[03:44] <ycco> not getting any lovin'
[03:44] <martinald> lol
[03:44] <crimsun> method55: for warty, yes.
[03:44] <martinald> what error are you having?
[03:45] <JDahl> ycco, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (xserver-xorg) to reconfigure
[03:45] <ycco> I've used this laptop @1400x1050 for like... ever.
[03:45] <ycco> JDahl that's not working.
[03:45] <martinald> what's the problem with it?
[03:45] <ycco> heh, X isn't starting.
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> ycco, 1024x768?
[03:45] <ycco> I am no X-pert.
[03:45] <crimsun> ycco: when you attempt to start it, what error does it give you? please paste /var/log/XFree86.0.log onto pastebin.com
[03:45] <ycco> nomasteryoda 1024x768 sux
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> yes
[03:46] <martinald> lol that's going to be intresting if he has no gui
[03:46] <method55> crimsun: when do things such as that get updated?
[03:46] <ycco> crimsun heh, no X it's sorta hard (a pain) to paste things ;)
[03:46] <martinald> can you roughly remember the last error?
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> links?
[03:46] <crimsun> method55: nothing is updated for warty except security fixes and non-invasive high-priority essential bugfixes.
[03:46] <method55> what is the other release?
[03:46] <crimsun> ycco: hold.
[03:46] <ycco> crimsun k bud.
[03:46] <crimsun> martinald: pkg-config glib-2.0 --modversion
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> martinald, we should have setup that before he left =)
[03:47] <regeya> the thing is, my printer is printing lovely cyan and magenta, and my monitor's showing me lovely IBM CGA-style cyan and magenta, which isn't cyan and magenta.
[03:47] <martinald> pkg-config glib-2.0 --modversion
[03:47] <martinald> 2.2.0
[03:47] <Danko123456> thanks yoda
[03:47] <eEye> Hi guys, i just installed ubuntu, i trying to get root in xterm, like su and my password but its look like im not in wheel group of something cauz authentication fail, any idea?
[03:47] <crimsun> martinald: then you don't have glib 2.4's development headers and libraries installed.
[03:48] <ycco> crimsun  occy.net/tmp
[03:48] <crimsun> ycco: curl -F "code=</var/log/XFree86.0.log" -F poster=YourNick -F parent_pid= -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php 2> /dev/null | grep YourNick
[03:48] <martinald> oh. how do i do that?
[03:48] <martinald> synaptic shows them installed
[03:48] <ycco> crimsun heh, k, sec.
[03:48] <crimsun> martinald: paste onto pastebin.com the output of `apt-cache policy libglib2.0-dev'
[03:49] <ycco> crimsun the XF86Config file is from my old Fedora Core 1.0 installation.
[03:49] <martinald> libglib2.0-dev:
[03:49] <martinald>   Installed: 2.6.0-0ubuntu1
[03:49] <martinald>   Candidate: 2.6.0-0ubuntu1
[03:49] <martinald>   Version Table:
[03:49] <martinald>  *** 2.6.0-0ubuntu1 0
[03:49] <martinald>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[03:49] <martinald>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[03:49] <martinald> it's not very long, no point putting it on pastebin
[03:49] <ycco> martinald #flood please.
[03:49] <crimsun> martinald: ...pastebin.com next time, not the channel.
[03:49] <martinald> lol.. oj
[03:49] <martinald> ok
[03:49] <ycco> martinald anything over 2 lines.
[03:50] <martinald> right, i'm sorry, i'm sorry...
[03:51] <martinald> i only meant to paste the first 3 lines, sorry...
[03:53] <crimsun> ycco: did you paste /var/log/XFree86.0.log?
[03:53] <ycco> crimsun does it take a while to do?
[03:53] <ycco> it's hanging, like the process isn't going through.
[03:53] <martinald> crimsun do you have any idea what i've done wrong here?
[03:53] <crimsun> ycco: oh, I see it.
<a href="http://pastebin.com/223849">ycco</a><br />
[03:53] <ycco> heh
[03:53] <regeya> gyh.
[03:54] <Danko123456> why is my apt-get update not work?
[03:54] <ycco> crimsun that was cool, I'll have to make a tip on my site about that one ;)
[03:54] <Danko123456> as root, synaptic is closed.
[03:54] <crimsun> ycco: be sure to credit http://sh.nu/nvidia, not me :)
[03:54] <neighborlee> how do I find broken packages in synatpic with broken filter..im checking 'broken' and clicking ok but  not seeing anything broken show up ?>?
[03:54] <ycco> crimsun did you see the occy.net/tmp (XF86Config file) ?
[03:54] <crimsun> ycco: yep
[03:54] <ycco> k
[03:55] <ycco> I'm thinking some path isn't right.
[03:55] <ycco> in my old XF86Config file or something.
[03:55] <crimsun> martinald: sudo apt-get --reinstall install libglib2.0-dev
[03:55] <ycco> hahaha
[03:55] <ycco> Touchdown USC!!!
[03:55] <ycco> Dang... they are blowing things wide open.
[03:55] <martinald> crimsun, i've done that, and i'm still getting the same output for the --modprobe
[03:55] <ycco> I guess noone here watches US college football. :)
[03:56] <martinald> no, it's shit. :)
[03:56] <ycco> martinald heh :P watch your language potty mouth.
[03:56] <martinald> lol :S
[03:56] <eEye> There is any way to enable the root user in a term?
[03:56] <martinald> why do you need it? out of intrest?
[03:56] <crimsun> martinald: ...modprobe?
[03:56] <martinald> --modeversion sorry
[03:56] <martinald> modversion*
[03:57] <crimsun> ycco: ubuntu doesn't use xfs (the font server)
[03:57] <ycco> crimsun ahh, so just take that out?
[03:58] <ycco> crimsun or replace the font stuff from the original XF86Config file.
[03:58] <ycco> that should work right?
[03:58] <crimsun> ycco: you need the fully-enumerated font paths
[03:58] <ycco> crimsun k, let me try and do some cut and pasting. heh
[03:58] <martinald> ycco, out of intrest, why did you past your XF86Config file/
[03:58] <crimsun> (you at least must have FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" )
[03:59] <crimsun> (in Section "Files")
[04:00] <crimsun> martinald: what program are you attempting to compile?
[04:00] <snow> hello room, I have a question about ubuntu
[04:00] <crimsun> brb
[04:00] <martinald> gnome-outliner
[04:00] <martinald> gnome-outliner.sf.net
[04:01] <martinald> it's very new, first release only came out today, but it's from an idea from the guy behind the new mozilla.org site and the visual design of it
[04:01] <snow> how do I change the resoltion in gnome?
[04:01] <martinald> snow
[04:01] <martinald> are you using warty?
[04:02] <snow> ya
[04:02] <ycco> crimsun hmmm, I replaced the files section from the default Ubuntu XF86Config file into the old Fedora Core 1.0 XF86Config file and took out that Files section.
[04:02] <martinald> it's in computer -->
[04:02] <snow> i just installed ubuntu and no virtualy nothing about linux
[04:02] <ycco> crimsun should I redo the pastebin.com thingy?
[04:02] <martinald> it's in computer --> system settings - display resolution
[04:03] <snow> *smacks forhead*
[04:03] <martinald> lol
[04:03] <martinald> believe me, it's taken them about.. 5 years? to get that in gnome
[04:03] <ycco> crimsun just repasted it.
[04:04] <snow> thank you! I can see! it was on 1920 or somthing b4
[04:04] <martinald> lol
[04:04] <ycco> snow 1600x1200 is best I find :)
[04:04] <ycco> snow depends on your monitor/lcd size though
[04:04] <ycco> and your eyesight.
[04:04] <snow> is there some kinda of basic introduction I can read so I don't bore you all with my newbie questions?
[04:04] <ycco> :)
[04:04] <martinald> it depends on the refresh rate imo
[04:04] <ycco> snow you won't bore me, Those are the only kinds I can answer.
[04:04] <martinald> i can't stand (ie: i get headaches) on anything less than 85Hz
[04:04] <ycco> snow ;)
[04:05] <snow> is there any disadvantage of runing higher refresh?
[04:05] <snow> yeah 1600x1200 looks about right on my 21in
[04:05] <ycco> snow yah, that's what I run on my 21"
[04:05] <ycco> snow @85hrz
[04:06] <martinald> i'd run 1600x1200 on this 19" but it's cheap n nasty and therefore can only do 75Hz
[04:06] <martinald> @ 1600x1200
[04:06] <martinald> crimsun, do you know what's going wrong?
[04:06] <spikeb> bah
[04:06] <crimsun> (sec, just returned)
[04:06] <snow> yeah mine will only do 70 at this reso
[04:08] <crimsun> ycco: still not working?
[04:08] <ycco> crimsun nosir...
[04:08] <ycco> crimsun I pasted an updated X log.
[04:08] <crimsun> ycco: yeah, just read it
[04:09] <snow> this isn't too bad to use actually, coming from a microsoft background lol
[04:10] <martinald> it's a lot better than it used to be
[04:10] <ycco> crimsun hmm, that files section is from the default Ubuntu XF86Config-4 file.   (I made a backup copy of the original before I touched it.
[04:10] <snow> i saw that the internet and network setup itself, that was sweet
[04:10] <martinald> *shudder* KDE 1.0 w/ mandrake 7
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> yech
[04:10] <snow> is there any kind of auto detect with this os?
[04:10] <martinald> yes, ubuntu is simply amazing at setting hardware up
[04:10] <martinald> yup
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> snow: yes, for the most part
[04:10] <ycco> snow most things just work.
[04:11] <spikeb> i used to use gnome 1.0 and E
[04:11] <spikeb> heh
[04:11] <snow> so, do I assume my usb printer has been setup already?
[04:11] <martinald> i just plugged my wireless, microsoft, mouse into the USB port and less than a second later it had it all configured
[04:11] <ycco> snow you should run the printer tool in gnome.
[04:11] <martinald> if the driver is there, i believe it will. it's very simple to configure it if it's not
[04:11] <snow> ok, will look for that
[04:11] <regeya> hey, that was the first and last good release of mandrake, martinald :-P
[04:12] <martinald> i ran it on a p133 w/ 16mb ram and a 2.5GB hdd
[04:12] <martinald> it took over 8 hours to install
[04:12] <crimsun> martinald: I will try and build against warty in a sec. Give me a few, juggling multiple issues here.
[04:12] <martinald> sure. i'm on hoary here, but that shouldn't matter?
[04:12] <crimsun> ycco: would you paste your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4?
[04:13] <ycco> crimsun sure.
[04:13] <snow> wow, that was easy! it setup it ok
[04:13] <luc1f3r> regeya, I'm installing dvdrip w/ APT
[04:13] <regeya> wowie zowie, that took a long time, luc1f3r
[04:14] <regeya> luc1f3r, and what package is refusing to install?
[04:14] <luc1f3r> regeya, sorry, was eating dinner
[04:14] <martinald> snow. good to hear. have you used synaptic?
[04:14] <ycco> crimsun done
[04:14] <snow> my other experence with linux was using slackware on a p133 laptop, I wasn't impressed ;p
[04:14] <martinald> lol
[04:14] <snow> no, what's synaptic?
[04:14] <luc1f3r> regeya, libgtk-perl libgtk-pixbuf-perl transcode fping libevent-perl
[04:14] <luc1f3r> all of those
[04:14] <regeya> hm.
[04:15] <martinald> synaptic manages installing and upgrading your system. you can install thousands of apps with one click, and upgrade every application on your computer with two
[04:15] <crimsun> martinald: I can't find a 'gnome-outliner' on sf
[04:15] <martinald> gnomeoutliner.sf.net?
[04:15] <luc1f3r> regeya,
[04:15] <luc1f3r> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:15] <luc1f3r>   dvdrip: Depends: libgtk-perl but it is not installable
[04:15] <luc1f3r>           Depends: libgtk-pixbuf-perl but it is not installable
[04:15] <luc1f3r>           Depends: transcode (>= 2:0.6.6) but it is not installable
[04:15] <snow> kick ass!
[04:15] <luc1f3r>           Depends: fping but it is not installable
[04:15] <luc1f3r>           Depends: libevent-perl but it is not installable
[04:15] <luc1f3r> E: Broken packages
[04:15] <crimsun> martinald: ah, you inserted an extraneous hyphen :)
[04:16] <martinald> sorry :-\
[04:16] <regeya> luc1f3r, I take it you're trying to install dvdrip from the marillat repo?  if you're trying to use the unstable repo, it wants newer packages than warty has.  you'll either need to backport those packages, or temporarily add hoary repos.  I recommend against adding both hoary and warty and trying to pin, because I had problems with that.
[04:16] <regeya> my wife beckons.
[04:16] <ycco> luc1f3r please use #flood for pasting more than 2 lines.
[04:16] <regeya> I shall be gone for a while.
[04:16] <ycco> luc1f3r or pastebin.com heh
[04:16] <luc1f3r> ycco, what's that?
[04:17] <ycco> luc1f3r it is considered impolite to paste more than 2 lines on irc.  It's called flooding and can mess with dial-up users connections.
[04:17] <crimsun> martinald: just built fine here in a warty chroot
[04:17] <crimsun> martinald: so the problem is local to your configuration
[04:17] <crimsun> (as I suspected)
[04:18] <ycco> luc1f3r so you should use #flood if you have to paste stuff.  or... the pastebin.com site.  (I'm not in X or I'd paste the curl thing... -- I feel like a fish out of water in command line)
[04:18] <luc1f3r> ycco, okay
[04:18] <ycco> crimsun I've found me a job on #ubuntu!
[04:18] <ycco> heh
[04:19] <martinald> i compiled glib by source, but I'm sure that was 2.4.0
[04:19] <crimsun> ycco ;)
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:19] <martinald> do you know how i can force it to uninstall entirely and reinstall?
[04:19] <crimsun> martinald: uh...
[04:19] <ycco> nomasteryoda you aren't watching the game?  (half-time now)
[04:19] <crimsun> martinald: you do know that installs to /usr/local by default?
[04:19] <martinald> how do you mean?
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> huh... nope
[04:19] <ycco> nomasteryoda USC is SPANKING OU.
[04:19] <crimsun> martinald: did you pass --prefix to ./configure ?
[04:20] <nomasteryoda> too busy on linuxshow irc and here
[04:20] <martinald> which prefix?
[04:20] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[04:20] <ycco> --prefix=/usr ?
[04:20] <martinald> i'll try that
[04:20] <crimsun> martinald: no
[04:20] <crimsun> do _not_
[04:20] <ycco> martinald confirm with crimsun
[04:20] <ycco> heh
[04:20] <ycco> martinald I don't know what I'm talking about here.
[04:20] <martinald> what do you mean?
[04:20] <crimsun> you will completely screw your current glib package handled by ubuntu (2.6.0)
[04:20] <martinald> right
[04:21] <ycco> eeek, /me remembers never to suggest that again.
[04:21] <martinald> well i did it with gnome-outliner's configure and it made no difference
[04:21] <crimsun> I advise you clean out /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig of any glib*
[04:21] <martinald> how do i do that?
[04:21] <martinald> rm?
[04:22] <martinald> rm glib-2.0.pc?
[04:22] <ycco> nomasteryoda hey
[04:22] <crimsun> martinald: look recursively in /usr/local and erase anything related to glib
[04:22] <martinald> ok
[04:22] <ycco> nomasteryoda can you get me your XF86Config-4 file from your 7500?
[04:22] <nomasteryoda> let me boot it up
[04:23] <ycco> crimsun this may be the easiest way.
[04:23] <crimsun> ycco: ok.
[04:23] <ycco> he has the same laptop with X working at 1024x768
[04:23] <martinald> oh fuck.
[04:23] <martinald> i think i've just done something quite bad
[04:23] <ycco> martinald potty mouth. :)
[04:23] <ycco> hahaha
[04:23] <crimsun> well if you're running hoary nothing's that important
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> yea, potty mouth
[04:24] <crimsun> :P
[04:24] <martinald> ???
[04:24] <ycco> You can't hear this chick singing
[04:24] <ycco> too funny
[04:24] <ycco> nomasteryoda turn on the half-time show.
[04:24] <crimsun> ycco: who's singing?
[04:24] <martinald> i removed the reference to glib in the folder you mentioned
[04:24] <martinald> but now it complains that it can't find GTK 2.0
[04:24] <ycco> crimsun hmmm, Jessica Simpson?  Don't really know.
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> ycco, might see some nip?
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[04:24] <ycco> You can't hear her.
[04:24] <ycco> nomasteryoda haha
[04:25] <ycco> I love technical difficulties at live events.
[04:25] <ycco> you can hear her now.
[04:25] <crimsun> martinald: please tell me you didn't compile gtk 2.[0246]  as well
[04:25] <martinald> no
[04:25] <martinald> just libtool
[04:25] <martinald> not libtool
[04:25] <martinald> jesus, glib.
[04:25] <martinald> oh shit, maybe it was libtool i compiled
[04:25] <crimsun> ...
[04:26] <martinald> i don't know
[04:26] <crimsun> oh man.
[04:26] <martinald> lol
[04:26] <luc1f3r> Someone help me install dvdrip??
[04:26] <crimsun> paste the directory listing of /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig in #flood
[04:26] <luc1f3r> I'm having trouble with dependencies
[04:26] <crimsun> ^ martinald
[04:26] <ycco> nomasteryoda you hooking a home dog up?
[04:27] <martinald> done
[04:27] <Quest-Master> Is it really not possible to resize an ext3 partition?
[04:27] <crimsun> martinald: those are all for glib
[04:28] <martinald> right
[04:28] <crimsun> martinald: you need to erase anything in /usr/local related to glib
[04:28] <martinald> i deleted the glib file in there
[04:28] <martinald> so rm -r glib*?
[04:28] <crimsun> martinald: no, those files you just listed are also part of glib
[04:28] <martinald> right. so how do i know which files are related to glib
[04:28] <DanielC> Greetings everyone. I'm playing with my brand new Ubuntu installation and I'm happy. Does anyone know if there is a "alarm clock" I can install?
[04:29] <crimsun> martinald: anything with those filenames in /usr/local/* are
[04:29] <DanielC> I searched on Synaptic for "alarm" but I didn't find anything.
[04:29] <martinald> could i just uninstall with synaptic?
[04:29] <ycco> DanielC you can do this:  (in a terminal)  sudo apt-cache search alarm
[04:30] <crimsun> martinald: how can you uninstall with synaptic if you didn't install with synaptic by compiling manually from tarball, and therefore synaptic doesn't know?
[04:30] <ycco> DanielC you may want to also include the universe packages in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:30] <martinald> because i assume it's in the same directories as synaptic would of put it and synaptic is saying it's installed?
[04:30] <DanielC> ycco: by default, it only shows a firewall. How do I add "universe" to the sources?
[04:30] <crimsun> martinald: that's precisely my point: you assume(d) incorrectly.
[04:30] <ycco> DanielC you can edit the file and uncomment the universe line. :)
[04:31] <DanielC> ycco: beauty!  Thanks!
[04:31] <ycco> DanielC you'll have to sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade afterwards though.
[04:31] <crimsun> martinald: by default, things will install into --prefix=/usr/local
[04:31] <martinald> ok
[04:31] <martinald> ok
[04:31] <martinald> ok
[04:31] <martinald> i see
[04:31] <ycco> DanielC good luck to you.
[04:31] <martinald> i get you now
[04:31] <martinald> is it possible to make clean or something?
[04:31] <DanielC> ycco: thanks  -- Ubuntu rocks btw :-)
[04:31] <ycco> DanielC I concur :)
[04:31] <nmyoda> ycco, so where do you want it?
[04:31] <crimsun> martinald: if you still have the compiled source, try `make uninstall' or `make deinstall'
[04:32] <ycco> nmyoda sec.... can you dcc ?
[04:32] <nmyoda> will try
[04:32] <ycco> nmyoda not here... hang on.
[04:32] <martinald> ok i tried make clean which is obviously the wrong command lol
[04:32] <nmyoda> port is open on server
[04:32] <nmyoda> ok
[04:32] <martinald> right it's deleting stuff
[04:32] <DanielC> ycco: Is there a way to tell, on Synaptic, that a given package is from 'universe' ?
[04:32] <ycco> nmyoda unless you have a place I can wget it from.
[04:32] <nmyoda> give sec
[04:33] <crimsun> DanielC: there is via the commandline using apt-cache(8) policy
[04:33] <DanielC> ok
[04:34] <martinald> crimson, i have nothing in the /usr/local/lib/pkg-config now
[04:35] <Crane> hello
[04:35] <martinald> and i have nothing related to glib in /usr/local
[04:35] <Crane> anyone using fluxbox
[04:35] <Crane> ?
[04:36] <xhypno> yes, but not on ubuntu, on my slack box
[04:36] <xhypno> I can ans ?'s though
[04:36] <ycco> DanielC sorry, I don't use Synaptic. :/  (not in X now either)
[04:36] <Crane> I just installed it on my ubuntu and I have no menus?
[04:36] <DanielC> ycco: ok, np. thanks
[04:37] <crimsun> Crane: fluxbox does not conform to the fd.org menu layout yet
[04:37] <martinald> crimsun, how would i set my PKG_CONFIG_PATH? if you happen to know
[04:37] <nmyoda> ok... so we see if that works
[04:38] <crimsun> martinald: you should not need to set it.
[04:38] <xhypno> Anyone having Zonefile probs with Bind6 on Warty
[04:38] <crimsun> bind6?
[04:38] <nmyoda> man i sure love this Ubuntu
[04:38] <ycco> nmyoda hmmmm oooooh k.
[04:38] <Crane> <---- n00b what do you mean fd.org crimsun?
[04:38] <nmyoda> i need it on my new laptop
[04:38] <ycco> crimsun I have his XF86Config file, same exact hardware.... and it doesn't work.
[04:38] <ycco> :/
[04:38] <snow> nmyoda i've been using it for 10mins and I like it :)
[04:38] <nmyoda> crap man
[04:38] <crimsun> martinald: make absolutely sure you have _nothing_ related to gtk or glib in /usr/local/*
[04:38] <crimsun> martinald: then execute: `sudo ldconfig'
[04:39] <crimsun> martinald: then clean the source for gnomeoutliner, then rerun ./configure
[04:39] <nmyoda> that should have worked
[04:39] <Guardiann> anyone know why i cant get on localhost
[04:40] <nevyn> Guardiann: "get on localhost"
[04:40] <nevyn> ?
[04:41] <Guardiann> to set up my printer
[04:41] <martinald> checking for glib-2.0 >= 2.4.0 gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4.0 libxml-2.0 >= 2.6.8 libgnome-2.0 >= 2.6.0 libgnomeui-2.0 >= 2.6.0... Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[04:41] <nmyoda> snow, congrats man
[04:41] <nmyoda> very fast and gnome is so simple
[04:41] <nevyn> where is the ubuntu tool for configuring printing?
[04:42] <Guardiann> it doesnt work for me
[04:42] <martinald> which port do you need to forward for vino?
[04:42] <martinald> aka remote desktop sharing
[04:42] <nevyn> Guardiann:how doesn't work?
[04:43] <nmyoda> gnome-cups-manager
[04:43] <ycco> crimsun pasted new /var/log/XF86Config.0.log and /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[04:43] <snow> nmyoda yeah if I can get my parents to use it I'll keep it on here vs xp, they had so many problems with that
[04:44] <crimsun> k
[04:44] <nmyoda> snow, too many people do
[04:44] <ycco> crimsun now I'm using the same XF86Config-4 file that nomasteryoda has on his Ubuntu laptop (Same as my Dell Insprion 7500)
[04:44] <nmyoda> windows is crap for the average computer user who wants just to read email and surf web
[04:44] <martinald> oh god, don't start the windows bashing stuff
[04:45] <nmyoda> lol
[04:45] <ycco> heh
[04:45] <Guardiann> nevyn webrowser loclahost:631
[04:45] <nmyoda> no, just telling some truth
[04:45] <martinald> well ok
[04:45] <ycco> yeah, I would agree with that.
[04:45] <martinald> but windows is very useful and stable for many people
[04:45] <ycco> martinald I haven't met any of those people.
[04:45] <JDahl> Guardiann, that doesnt work in ubuntu does it? you to use the gtk configuration tool
[04:45] <ycco> martinald but ok.
[04:46] <martinald> k well you just have.
[04:46] <ycco> martinald ahh ok.
[04:46] <nmyoda> martinald, then you are one of the few
[04:46] <ycco> 1 down.
[04:46] <nmyoda> 1 down out of millions
[04:46] <Guardiann> whats the gtk tool
[04:46] <nevyn> Guardiann: HOW does the printer tool not work for you?
[04:46] <ycco> we should post that on slashdot   1 person uses windows successfully.  That's news!
[04:46] <nmyoda> gnome-cups-manager
[04:46] <nevyn> Guardiann: gnome-cups-manager
[04:46] <JDahl> Guardiann, cups configuration
[04:46] <nmyoda> ycco, LOL
[04:46] <nevyn> JDahl: thankyou.
[04:46] <Guardiann> yep wont see the printer
[04:47] <regeya> oh dear hey
[04:47] <regeya> look it's Guardiann
[04:47] <Guardiann> hello
[04:47] <regeya> hey Guardiann, the printer won't show up automagically, AFAIK
[04:47] <nmyoda> Guardiann, is it usb?
[04:47] <regeya> you have to doubleclick on the "New Printer" icon...duh.
[04:47] <Guardiann> nope it par
[04:47] <nmyoda> ok
[04:48] <crimsun> ycco: so this config works, correct?
[04:48] <Guardiann> regeya yep just like windows
[04:50] <ycco> crimsun it works for nomasteryoda
[04:50] <ycco> crimsun doesn't work for me.
[04:50] <adoyretsamon> yes
[04:50] <ycco> crimsun X trys to start... but I never get anything.
[04:50] <adoyretsamon> i'm using it under the nmyoda name
[04:50] <adoyretsamon> right now
[04:50] <ycco> crimsun I actually get the ubuntu sounds
[04:50] <ycco> which is odd
[04:50] <ycco> yeah, I get the ubuntu sounds... (with gdm I presume) but don't get a display.  Just black screen.
[04:51] <crimsun> ycco: same kernel, same /proc/cmdline, same modules loaded as nmyoda?
[04:51] <nmyoda> yes should be
[04:51] <ycco> crimsun default warty ubuntu, unless he's using hoary
[04:52] <nmyoda> crimsun, warty
[04:52] <ycco> only thing I have that might be odd is universe.
[04:52] <ycco> heh
[04:52] <ycco> and I've apt-get updated and apt-get dist-upgraded today.
[04:52] <ycco> but other than that....
[04:53] <Guardiann> ok once again thanks for the help
[04:53] <Guardiann> later
[04:53] <ycco> this is where I wish we had a gui X configuration tool.
[04:53] <nmyoda> ycco, that would be nice
[04:54] <crimsun> ycco: do you remember what resolution and refresh rate you wanted?
[04:54] <ycco> 1400x1050  refresh rate... not sure.
[04:54] <nmyoda> 60hz?
[04:54] <nevyn> eww
[04:54] <ycco> whatever works for the display.
[04:55] <nmyoda> ycco, see mine has never liked anything but 1024x768
[04:55] <nmyoda> even in winders
[04:55] <ycco>         HorizSync    31.5 - 90.0
[04:55] <ycco>         VertRefresh  59.0 - 75.0
[04:56] <ycco> and then... I also had this.
[04:56] <ycco>         ModelName    "LCD Panel 1400x1050"
[04:56] <ycco> nmyoda I've used 1400x1050 on this laptop every since I bought it in 2000
[04:56] <ycco> nmyoda with Linux and Redhat 7/8/9 FC1
[04:56] <nmyoda> well, i will risk changing in ubuntu.. for you... to see if mine gets hosed too...hehe
[04:57] <twisted_steel> I'm using that same res. on my laptop as well
[04:57] <crimsun> ycco: any idea why your listed HorizSync and VertRefresh don't correspond with the values you just pasted?
[04:57] <crimsun> HorizSync 28-49, VertRefresh 43-72
[04:57] <ycco> crimsun the ones I pasted are from his laptop
[04:57] <ycco> errr
[04:57] <ycco> ugh.
[04:57] <nmyoda> ah
[04:57] <nmyoda> that could be it
[04:57] <ycco> The ones I pasted were from my old FC1 XF86Config file.
[04:58] <crimsun> ok, let's try your HorizSync and VertRefresh values from the old FC1 XF86Config
[04:58] <ycco> oh ok...
[04:58] <nmyoda> ycco, did you try dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[04:59] <ycco> nmyoda didn't try that.
[05:00] <nmyoda> found on wiki
[05:00] <crimsun> martinald: did you ever resolve the glib issue?
[05:00] <ycco> crimsun that didn't work. :/
[05:00] <martinald> nope
[05:00] <Quest-Master> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=43383#post43383 <-- :(!!!
[05:00] <crimsun> ycco: you don't happen to have a lcd+crt toggle using the function key, do you?
[05:01] <HrdwrBoB> Quest-Master: ext3 is resizable
[05:01] <ycco> crimsun heh, let me check that.
[05:01] <HrdwrBoB> why do you have to resize often?
[05:01] <ycco> nmyoda no luck, but I got sound. heh.
[05:01] <nmyoda> lol
[05:01] <nmyoda> ok
[05:02] <nmyoda> i'm trying that same string here
[05:02] <nmyoda> on this one
[05:02] <qmaster_> Because I have a small hard drive and have to manage my brother on Windows and myself on Ubuntu. ;d
[05:02] <grepper> anyone know the prefered way to set mtu when using dhcp ?  When I used static I just put "mtu  N" in interfaces under eth0
[05:02] <qmaster_> HrdwrBoB: Why can't I resize it then?
[05:03] <ycco> crimsun no.... fn+CRT/LCD isn't doing anything
[05:03] <ycco> freakin' wild
[05:03] <ycco> :(
[05:04] <joshua> hi
[05:04] <HrdwrBoB> qmaster_: you can't move the start of the partition
[05:04] <joshua> does anyone run on a laptop and hibernate (save to disk) ?
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> i used to
[05:05] <joshua> nomasteryoda you used to be able to hibernate? no longer?
[05:05] <Quest-Master> Meaning I can't restart it HrdwrBoB? :(
[05:06] <crimsun> ycco: hmm.
[05:06] <qmaster_> Ack
[05:06] <qmaster_> I meant
[05:06] <qmaster_> Resize.
[05:06] <qmaster_> :P
[05:06] <ycco> crimsun yeah, me too.
[05:07] <joshua> nomasteryoda: was it very difficult to get working?
[05:07] <ycco> the fact that the sounds start up, seem to indicate that GDM is actually starting.
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> joshua, on the old dell Insprion 7500
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> not really
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> but then again, i had a suspend to disk file setup on that system
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> have not tried it in a long time
[05:10] <crimsun> ycco: ok, let's try another method: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop && startx
[05:10] <ycco> crimsun ok
[05:11] <ycco>  * GNOME Display Manager not running                                     [ ok ] 
[05:11] <ycco> seems like it's doing something.
[05:11] <ycco> but can't see it. :)
[05:12] <crimsun> just a black screen?
[05:12] <ycco> yah
[05:12] <ycco> just a black screen.
[05:12] <crimsun> ok, ctrl+alt+backspace should kill it and return you to the prompt
[05:12] <nmyoda> ycco, mine won't take that resolution at all...
[05:12] <nmyoda> crap
[05:12] <crimsun> nmyoda: can you adjust the DefaultDepth to 16 ?
[05:12] <crimsun> err
[05:13] <nmyoda> will try
[05:13] <crimsun> that was to ycco
[05:13] <ycco> hmmmmmm
[05:13] <nmyoda> ok
[05:13] <crimsun> sorry nmyoda, disregard that
[05:13] <ycco> hey guys....
[05:13] <nmyoda> i tried 24 bit
[05:13] <ycco> Would there be a problem with some sort of host issues?
[05:13] <nmyoda> yes
[05:13] <ycco> like...
[05:13] <ycco> I was at your house right... and....
[05:13] <nmyoda> you bet
[05:13] <crimsun> ycco: quite possibly if your dhcp lease gives you a new hostname, and ...
[05:13] <nmyoda> that is it
[05:13] <ycco> I'm getting a really slow long pause...
[05:13] <nmyoda> you have it...
[05:14] <nmyoda> nail on the head
[05:14] <ycco> well... but where is it?
[05:14] <ycco> heh
[05:14] <ycco> resolv.conf?
[05:15] <ycco> hmm
[05:16] <ycco> took out the kool-aid stuff
[05:16] <ycco> heh
[05:16] <ycco> and the 192.168.1.1 nameserver.
[05:16] <ycco> and it is setup as how it should be.
[05:16] <ycco> stopped gdm and restarted.
[05:16] <nmyoda> ifdown ifup
[05:16] <ycco> still no love.  black screen
[05:16] <ycco> oh, need to bring down the interface?
[05:16] <nmyoda> i would
[05:16] <ycco> (I did the commands manually)
[05:16] <nmyoda> yea
[05:16] <nmyoda> ok
[05:17] <ycco> shouldn't matter though... but.
[05:17] <ycco> hmmm
[05:17] <ycco> where is it set that it puts that stuff in automatically at boot?
[05:17] <ycco> or how can I reconfigure network stuff through dpkg
[05:17] <ycco> heh
[05:17] <crimsun> you'd need to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[05:18] <ycco> k
[05:18] <ycco> yeah, eth0 isn't auto
[05:18] <ycco> I'm good
[05:18] <ycco> I'm obviously on the net :)
[05:18] <nmyoda> lol
 this thing *screeeech* on? <tap> <tap>
[05:19] <ycco> *chuckle*
[05:19] <nmyoda> brb..
[05:19] <ycco> nomasteryoda hey... install FC1 on that laptop and I'll guaren-dang-tee you you'll get 1400x1050
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> wow
[05:22] <xed> Anyone have any tips on reserving battery power when using laptop on battery power...?
[05:22] <xed> with Ubuntu that is
[05:23] <lukins> anyone have problem where gnome-panels are just blank
[05:23] <Muskrat> http://cam64000.miemasu.net/ViewerFrame?Mode=Motion&Resolution=320x240&Quality=Motion&Interval=30&Size=STD&PresetOperation=Move&Language=0
[05:24] <method55> i have asked this before but im doing a fresh reformat...should i format the partition im installing windows as FAT if i want to be able to access certain things in my linux partition
[05:24] <method55> ?
[05:25] <ycco> method55 yeah, that's fine.
[05:25] <ycco> method55 do the windows as fat32
[05:25] <method55> okay
[05:25] <ycco> method55 and then do your linux partition as ext3
[05:25] <ycco> and your swap partition as swap :)
[05:25] <method55> im making 1 for windows as FAT, another for linux and another for storage as FAT
[05:25] <method55> yeah well ubuntu makes the swap partition when i install
[05:26] <xed> can someone briefly explain to me what the use of the swap partition is?
[05:26] <ycco> method55 I'd create a.) windows partiton  b.) linux partition c.) swap partition.
[05:26] <ycco> xed when you run out of ran, it uses disc space.
[05:26] <ycco> errr disk space.
[05:26] <ycco> ugh
[05:26] <ycco> when you run out of ram.
[05:26] <xed> ram?
[05:27] <ycco> :)
[05:27] <melazyboy> its the equiv of windows virtual memmory
[05:27] <xed> Oh..
[05:27] <xed> Maybe I should've made a larger swap partition then...?
[05:27] <ycco> xed how much ram do you have?
[05:27] <xed> 512 =\
[05:27] <method55> the way i have it is a 15gig windows FAT then a 15gig linux ext3 then a 30gig FAT storage, when i install linux it usually parts the linux partition so it has a SWAP partition in front of it...or at least it did it last time
[05:27] <xed> ddr
[05:27] <ycco> xed 1G swap is fine (512 meg is fine too)
[05:27] <xed> and I think 64 is used by ATI card. =\
[05:27] <melazyboy> we just preallocate it to a certain sector and keep it a static size while windows dynamically reallocates it in a very slow manor.
[05:28] <ycco> xed typicaly you double your ram and that's your swap....   but... anything bigger than a 2Gig swap on a desktop box is silly.
[05:28] <method55> should i make a swap partition or should i let linux make it when i install
[05:28] <ycco> (anything bigger than 1 gig swap seems silly to me)
[05:28] <xed> ycco: so it uses the harddrive space.. like it would with the RAM?
[05:28] <melazyboy> xed: yar
[05:28] <ycco> xed from my understanding yes, it uses your hd space when you run out of ram.
[05:28] <method55> does that sound good?
[05:29] <method55> i thought swap was kind of like windows page file...am i wrong?
[05:29] <ycco> method55 up to you.  I choose to create my own manually. But you may want to let it automagically do it for you.
[05:29] <ycco> method55 don't know what windows page file is.
[05:29] <ycco> heh
[05:29] <method55> if i create it manually...will ubuntu pick up on it when i install?
[05:29] <melazyboy> method55: window's 'page file' is virtual memmory
[05:30] <melazyboy> method55: if you mkswap and swapon
[05:30] <Skif> This is weird... my laptop used to support CPU frequency scaling, but now the GNOME applet claims it doesn't. :P
[05:31] <xed> hmm..thats pretty cool.
[05:31] <melazyboy> method55: ubuntu should do it for you
[05:31] <xed> But ONLY if I run out of available RAM, right?
[05:31] <method55> what do you mean do it for me?
[05:31] <melazyboy> Skif: Did you build your own kernel?
[05:31] <Skif> melazyboy: nope
[05:32] <Skif> melazyboy: well, yeah, but I'm not running it now. :)
[05:32] <melazyboy> method55: If you set up a swap partition and install ubunutu, it should see that you have an already existing swap partition and ask if you wish to use it for that install as well -- historically people have had 5 distros of linux sharing the same swap drive
[05:33] <xed> Hmm.. maybe I should've made the swap partition greater?
[05:33] <melazyboy> Skif: got me, you can try restarting it in /etc/init.d/
[05:33] <Skif> I ran the script linked to from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CPUFreqModuleLoading but it claimed that my CPU did not support it.  Which wouldn't bother me, only it used to work. :P
[05:33] <Skif> melazyboy: powernowd fails to start, but the init.d completes successfully :-\
[05:33] <xed> I wonder if there's any way to get ubuntu into using that hdd space that it uses for the swap to be used as the initial memory..
[05:34] <melazyboy> xed: 512meg swap is all you should ever need. if you cap it out you probably have a problem
[05:34] <method55> melzy: thanks, but i was going to partition the drive when i install winxp on the first partition, it has the option of partitioning the drive and formatting certain ones NTFS/FAT32 but i dont think i can format as a swap...if i leave the empty partition as just unallocated space will ubuntu ask me if i want to format it as swap?
[05:34] <xed> melazyboy, what do you mean 'cap it out'?
[05:34] <method55> in that case i will just let ubuntu make the partition because i think it defaults it at 512?
[05:35] <method55> i have 512mb of RAM in this laptop...so another 512 swap would theoretically give me 1024mb which is more then enough for me
[05:35] <melazyboy> method55: winxp can't handle any form of linux partition, the compromise is in vfat aka fat32, btw ntfs write support isn't avaiable for linux yet
[05:36] <the--dud> method55, the whole point of RAM is that it has 100th the access times of harddrives
[05:36] <method55> i know i cant read my NTFS partition from nix and my ext3 partition from win
[05:36] <method55> thats why im using FAT
[05:36] <the--dud> if you used your harddrive as RAM, it would be pointless
[05:36] <ycco> bbiab.
[05:36] <melazyboy> method55: Yes if you leave 512 megs of unpartitioned contigious space on your hard drive, then the ubuntu installer will pick it up and you can make that your swap
[05:36] <xed> I'm about to be disconnected, aren't I? -_-
[05:36] <xed> damn neighbour's wifi
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:37] <xed> Ahoyhoy?
[05:37] <melazyboy> anyway just got my new episode of sg1, see ya later.
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> melazyboy, where
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:37] <method55> i have always used NTFS for my windows partition...will FAT32 run just as well?
[05:38] <melazyboy> the only things i pirate are telivision its not fair, asia gets the cell phones 5 years before us, sweden the fiber internet connections 10years before us, and the whole fucking world watches telivision shows made in the US 6months before they syndicate here.. something is v. fishy
[05:38] <method55> haha
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> true
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> tv is the last hope
[05:40] <melazyboy> sg1 s8ep13 is out and sga s1ep16 is out you can find them on torrentreactor.to torrentreactor.net tvswarm.com torrentvortex.net among others
[05:40] <melazyboy> see you later and good night.
[05:40] <the--dud> sdsl is quite the news in the usa isnt it?
[05:40] <the--dud> or, do you have it?
[05:40] <snow> anyone here have a hp officejet 6110 3 in one runing on linux?
[05:41] <blu1> hello, im currently using mandrake 10.1 and in need to know reasons for switching to ubunty, and what kind of learning curve im looking at, keep in mind ive been on linux for a total of 1week
[05:41] <the--dud> blu1, if you like mandrake there's no real reason to change...
[05:41] <melazyboy> blu1: Read up on debs vs rpms, and check out the advantages of apt-get thats the only difference that will matter to you, but its very significant
[05:41] <the--dud> but then again, is there anything specifically you dont like about mandrake?
[05:41] <snow> i find it easy to use and I've only ever used windows
[05:42] <rexiboy> hello all :)
[05:42] <the--dud> hear hear, apt is superiour to rpm
[05:42] <rexiboy> rpm days are runing out!
[05:42] <the--dud> as long as you run warty, you can have a very newbie experience...
[05:42] <blu1> well, for instance, apt-get, how often are the sources updated? also, to what degree is more software available with apt-get?
[05:43] <the--dud> but you'll get some pretty outdated applications, unless you want to tackle your way through hoary
[05:43] <rexiboy> just did a fresh install of ubuntu, but when i try to install a theme it says: Insufficient permissions to install the theme" any idea?
[05:43] <the--dud> warty being the *very overly cautious and stable* branch, and hoary being bleeding edge
[05:44] <the--dud> rexiboy, sudo?
[05:44] <melazyboy> blu1: the sid repos is updated instantly the hoary repos (ubuntu maintained) is ubdated usually within a week or two of the release, and the stables are of coarse much like on non-cooker mandrake infrequently updated to ensure maximum stability
[05:44] <rexiboy> the--dud, this is wierd though I'm installing to my home dir
[05:44] <ycco> heh, lame but... rebooted.  Still no X love.
[05:44] <melazyboy> blu1:
[05:45] <the--dud> ycco, xorg or xfree?
[05:45] <ycco> *yawn*
[05:45] <ycco> the--dud xfree
[05:45] <melazyboy> blu1: Infrequently meaning up to 6months old
[05:45] <the--dud> ok, i prefer xorg...
[05:45] <ycco> hmmm
[05:45] <ycco> is it hard to switch from xfree to xorg?
[05:45] <ycco> nomasteryoda thanks for all your help bud.
[05:46] <the--dud> nah, just type apt-get install xserver-xorg
[05:46] <ycco> crimsun  you too.
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> np
[05:46] <snow> anyone use an officjet in here?
[05:46] <rexiboy> why do i need to sudo 2 install a theme???
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> did you get it running?
[05:46] <the--dud> or something similar, i think thats the package name
[05:46] <ycco> the--dud it'll use it instead of xfree then?
[05:46] <ycco> nomasteryoda no.  :/
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> argh
[05:46] <the--dud> ycco, itll automatically remove xfree
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> oh well
[05:46] <ycco> got nothing to lose at this point.
[05:46] <the--dud> but in haory, it seems to have problems configuring xorg through dpkg-reconfigure, so you'll have to do xorgconf manually
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> true...
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> my CDrom still works...hehe
[05:47] <the--dud> which is better any how, as you gain more control
[05:47] <blu1> well, then, urpmi is just about the same, it gets updated about the same?
[05:47] <blu1> ive been thinking about switching to debian, but ive heard that debian based distributions are better b/c they get updated more often than debian...
[05:47] <ycco> hmm
[05:48] <blu1> but enjoy virtually the same stability...
[05:48] <ycco> xorg isn't a package.
[05:48] <xed> how do I turn off laptop-mode?
[05:48] <the--dud> xserver-xorg
[05:48] <xed> nevermind
[05:48] <rexiboy> any idea about this theme business?? even as a root I have no permission!
[05:49] <the--dud> heh, prolly some dir thats chmodded 000 or such :o
[05:49] <xed> why would anyone do that? =/
[05:50] <ycco> the--dud that's an hoary thing.
[05:50] <rexiboy> the--dud, how this is poss?
[05:50] <xed> chmod command?
[05:50] <ycco> it's not in warty
[05:50] <rexiboy> did 777
[05:50] <HrdwrBoB> blu1: obviously, we would recommend ubuntu :))
[05:51] <the--dud> try find / -perm 000
[05:51] <the--dud> or something similar
[05:52] <blu1> hrdwrbob: shrug, expected objectivity among "linux" userrs
[05:52] <Jasoney> i ordered ubuntu cd's on dec 5 and was wondering when they might arrive
[05:52] <rexiboy> find: /proc/7579/task/7579/fd/4: No such file or directory
[05:53] <HrdwrBoB> blu1: that is my objective recommendation
[05:53] <the--dud> never? :/
[05:53] <the--dud> its really getting annoying
[05:53] <HrdwrBoB> blu1: I've used most other distros and prefer ubuntu
[05:53] <ycco> heck, even over a modem it shouldn't take you more than a day if you dl' it. :)
[05:53] <rexiboy> HrdwrBoB, wait till yoper 2.2 is out :)
[05:53] <ycco> dl the iso image that is.
[05:53] <the--dud> yoper has such a horrible package management... untill they fix up each and every single package, yoper is unusable
[05:53] <ycco> get a cheap 2x cdrom
[05:54] <ycco> and you are golden.
[05:54] <liberion> i like my own distro
[05:54] <ycco> errr cdr
[05:54] <liberion> i built
[05:54] <xed> Do I need some sort of dvd driver or something installed for my dvd rom to work?
[05:54] <rexiboy> the--dud, they are using apt-get and the list is growing, not as big as debian...
[05:54] <nomasteryoda> xed, as in movie dvds?
[05:55] <rexiboy> xed, get xine and it should work
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> yes
[05:55] <xed> I have xine.
[05:55] <the--dud> rexiboy, yeah, but in my experience... something like 25% of their packages had errors
[05:55] <xed> I'm just wondering..
[05:55] <liberion> xed: make sure libdvdnav libdvdread libdvdcss is installed
[05:55] <the--dud> dependencies, lacking information, poor file struct, etc
[05:55] <xed> Normally it takes me 10 minutes to copy a dvd to hdd
[05:55] <xed> but for some reason it's taking me 30 minutes for one dvd =\
[05:55] <rexiboy> the--dud, wierd :)
[05:55] <liberion> xed: then chmod 777 /dev/dvd and link that first to dev
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> xed, hdparm... change drive settings...
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> make sure dma is on
[05:55] <xed> hdparm?
[05:56] <xed> someone makes sense
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> xed, link... just a sec
[05:56] <the--dud> im wondering about a little thingie...
[05:56] <xed> lin..k..?
[05:56] <liberion> hey guys whats a good hdparm setting ya think
[05:56] <the--dud> speaking about linking dvd to /dev/dvd
[05:56] <the--dud> i have two ide dvd players, one is a burner
[05:57] <the--dud> and i dont want to statically link one, so that i can only *play* dvd's on one of my trays
[05:57] <the--dud> should be some fancy dynamic way to do it...
[05:57] <liberion> the--dud: what to play 2 dvd drives
[05:58] <the--dud> nah, but one day i might want to use the burner for playback, and the next id want to use the other
[05:58] <the--dud> its not a problem by far, but it just seems weird that you have to link it in such manners
[05:58] <liberion> the--dud: just loop them
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> hdparm settings... look at /usr/share/doc/hdparm/README.Debian
[05:59] <the--dud> come to think of it... why exactly does xine and the rest of the dvd players insist on using /dev/dvd?
[05:59] <ycco> heh
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:00] <liberion> nomasteryoda: nah just looking for preferences mostly
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:00] <the--dud> couldnt it just look at any available drives, and see who has a dvd in it?
[06:00] <the--dud> and if both has, it could just prompt the user...
[06:00] <ycco> nomasteryoda what is your host called?
[06:00] <xed> What were you saying about hdparm nomasteryoda?
[06:00] <ycco> cool-aid?
[06:00] <ycco> I wanna grep for it in my X configs
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> on this new Dell d505 latitude.. i use this "hdparm -X69 -d1 -u1 -m16 -c3 /dev/hda"
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> but it is a fast drive too
[06:01] <liberion> the--dud: dvd are prone to region code and tricks so they cant be played i my system automatically detect dvd after i built xine
[06:01] <ycco> nomasteryoda will that work on the Dell 7500?
[06:01] <ycco> nomasteryoda that hdparm thing?
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> ycco, change the X69
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> to something smaller
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> like X68
[06:02] <ycco> nomasteryoda heh, it won't hurt it will it?
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> those are the HD speeds ... like
[06:02] <the--dud> at least early dvd-roms has the rather lame locking to a specific region
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> lock it up
[06:02] <the--dud> i havent seen that in about 2-3 years time on dvd-roms
[06:02] <ycco> nomasteryoda don't want to lock up my hard drive :P
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> only for reboot
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> heh
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> X68 should work
[06:02] <ycco> "hdparm -X69 -d1
[06:03] <ycco>                -u1 -m16 -c3 /dev/hda"
[06:03] <ycco> ooops
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> would be a 66mhz
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> mine is 133mhz i think
[06:03] <ycco> hdparm -X68 -d1 -u1 -m16 -c3 /dev/hda  would harm the 7500?
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> that should work... let me ck
[06:04] <the--dud> arg, i really wish that linux had some sort of competitor for protools/cubase/cakewalk
[06:05] <the--dud> a real powerful and user friendly DAW
[06:05] <the--dud> ardour and audicity just isnt any good
[06:05] <liberion> nomasteryoda: dont forget -a8
[06:05] <the--dud> not compared to protools any how
[06:07] <xed> nomasteryoda, I'm not familiar with setting hdparm =(
[06:07] <ycco> well... I need to get sleep.  Tx crimsun  and nomasteryoda   I'll check in tomorrow and see if we can't get X up and going.  :/
[06:08] <ycco> night guys
[06:09] <the--dud> hmm, dist-upgrade seemed to disable my sound device...
[06:09] <the--dud> brb, rebooting
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> nite
[06:14] <xed> Anyone have any error messages come up when using gaim?
[06:14] <xed> ie "Error contacting server switchboard"
[06:14] <xed> or something similar to that
[06:15] <ubuntu_fool> looking for help connecting ubuntu live to a WinXP system using smbclient.  Anyone here who can help?
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> xed, check proxy
[06:15] <xed> eh?
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> xed, under the gaim settings
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> preferences
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu_fool
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> try smb://ipaddress of winbox/sharename
[06:18] <xed> nomasteryoda, I.. don't see anything thats relating to proxies..
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> just sec
[06:19] <xed> Alrighty
[06:19] <ubuntu_fool> many thanks!
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> np
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> welcome
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> xed, under the Preferences
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> Network
[06:20] <the--dud> dist-upgrade killed my sound it seems...
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> if you might be behind a proxy, select environmental
[06:20] <the--dud> how inconvenient...
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> wow
[06:20] <xed> okay, well I'm not..
[06:20] <xed> but I'll select it anyways
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> the--dud, try changing using alsamixer
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> might help
[06:21] <xed> Thanks a bunch
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> np
[06:26] <the--dud> hmm, the soundjuicer app can play mp3s
[06:26] <the--dud> but the same mp3s are dead in xine/totem
[06:28] <the--dud> hmm, a whole crap load of xine plugins got wiped out!
[06:31] <dabaslon> Hey, anyone awake?
[06:31] <dabaslon> I guess you are..
[06:31] <the--dud> i were actually using my sound today >_<
[06:31] <dabaslon> What do I do if I want to search kazaa for a file?
[06:31] <dabaslon> What do I need to use?
[06:31] <spikeb> heh
[06:32] <dabaslon> :)
[06:32] <xed> What's the latest version of Gaim released for ubuntu?
[06:32] <dabaslon> I want to find some ebooks.
[06:32] <spikeb> 1.1.0 is in hoary i believe
[06:33] <dabaslon> So anyone have any ideas on my kazaa dilemma?
[06:34] <dr_willis> waiting fior the Ubuntu live cd to download so i can burn it and play with it. How does it compare to say, Morphix, or Knoppix?
[06:34] <spikeb> it uses gnome.
[06:35] <dr_willis> it just a 'test' out linux sort of cd. or got a large set of tools? office apps? system recovery? ect. :p
[06:35] <dr_willis> ie: whats its "design goal" :P whats it ment to be used for.
[06:36] <spikeb> dr_willis,  it has quite a bit installed - openoffice.org, firefox, gaim, rhythmbox, etc are all on the cd
[06:36] <dr_willis> i just seem to have a large collection of live cd's LOL. :P
[06:36] <spikeb> aside from being slow (it's a livecd) it's very usable
[06:36] <snow> can anyone tell me why my sound wants to return to the lowest setting?
[06:36] <dr_willis> so a general purpose 'untrashable' system :P
[06:36] <spikeb> snow, probably alsa stupidity
[06:36] <spikeb> dr_willis, other than the fact that it may mount some of your partitions if it recognizes them, yes
[06:36] <spikeb> heh
[06:37] <snow> alsa?
[06:37] <dr_willis> cool. smart enough to see the swap partion and so on. :P
[06:37] <dr_willis> Knoppix has saved me MANY an hour of work in the past.
[06:37] <spikeb> snow, yeah the sound system for kernel 2.6.x
[06:37] <xed> Whats the latest version of Mozilla for Ubuntu?
[06:37] <spikeb> snow, it defaults to muted
[06:38] <snow> uh well how do I stop that, I move the volume bar and it moves back down
[06:38] <spikeb> hmm
[06:38] <the--dud> sooo... esd sound driver works
[06:38] <spikeb> im not sure - mine cooperates with me
[06:38] <the--dud> but not alsa or oss it seems
[06:39] <dr_willis> hmm esd is a sound deamon that then uses ALSA isent it?
[06:39] <dr_willis> or am i confused.
[06:39] <dr_willis> app-->Deamon-->drivers
[06:39] <spikeb> dr_willis, generally, but some sound applications can skip the daemon
[06:40] <xed> Whats the latest version of Mozilla for Ubuntu?
[06:40] <the--dud> just when i was thinking everything was so darn nice hehe
[06:40] <the--dud> something has to get borked right up
[06:40] <spikeb> firefox 0.93 is installed by default
[06:41] <odyssey> could someone please tell me what package provides "make-kpkg"?
[06:41] <xed> spikeb, but what's the latest?
[06:42] <spikeb> xed, that is the latest, if you don't use a backport.
[06:42] <xed> what's a backport?
[06:42] <spikeb> xed, a package taken from a newer version of ubuntu (the unstable version in this case), tested a little, and made available for the stable version
[06:42] <dr_willis> sounds like a 'nice name' for a dirty body part. Lol :P
[06:42] <xed> oh..
[06:43] <xed> I don't.. think I'm using that
[06:43] <spikeb> probably not. :)
[06:43] <the--dud> hmmmmmm, so.... ill try doing a full reboot
[06:46] <zenrox> is thare a way to speed up file transvers from a win machine to linux
[06:46] <zenrox> 3 mbs now and its a 100mb network
[06:46] <dud> ok... a restart did wonders for my sound
[06:46] <dr_willis> zenrox,  depends - ya useing samba? or ssh?
[06:47] <dud> weird stuff
[06:47] <zenrox> samba
[06:47] <dr_willis> i think there may be a tweak or 2 in the smb.conf - but prioberly wont gain ya much.
[06:47] <zenrox> dr_willis,  i am using samba
[06:47] <zenrox> probly
[06:47] <dr_willis> anyone else conferm that samba is faster or slower then useing ssh?
[06:48] <dr_willis> useing "winscp" now to move a large # of files to a win box. and it seems vbery slow also.
[06:48] <zenrox> ssh woudl it be hard to get dirs
[06:48] <dr_willis> :) Winscp makes that easy
[06:48] <zenrox> casue i am moving mp3s from win to nix
[06:48] <xed> how do I install a file using command line?
[06:48] <dr_willis> zenrox,  heh heh -
[06:48] <xed> sudo install <filename> right?
[06:48] <zenrox> xed,  no
[06:48] <xed> hmm
[06:49] <xed> sudo dpkg install <filename> ?
[06:49] <zenrox> sudo dpkg install filename.deb
[06:49] <xed> Damnit, I should stop guessing
[06:49] <xed> hey! I was right!
[06:49] <zenrox> lol
[06:49] <dr_willis> isent there an install program taht does 'somthing' but Not what you are wanting to do  :P
[06:49] <xed> only .deb files?
[06:49] <zenrox> xed yes
[06:49] <xed> Oh man =9
[06:49] <xed> =(
[06:50] <xed> what bout .gz files?
[06:50] <dr_willis> dpkg is the '.deb' package manager.  other types of programs/things may need other tools./commands.
[06:50] <zenrox> only deb files a tar.gz file you have to extract it and compile it
[06:50] <Faustus> hi, what this bus about having to add font paths to XF86Config-4 upon installing.  They are already there.  This same message also mentions deleting any mention of /usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID in any file, is this limited to /etc/X11fs/config and /etc/X11/fs-xtt/config, that don't exist, or does it include removing it from XF86Config-4?
[06:50] <xed> how do I go about doing that zenrox, in the console atleast?
[06:50] <dr_willis> a .gz file could be most anything. nothing special abouit it.. it should have some install docs :p
[06:50] <zenrox> xed tar -xzvf filrename.tar.gz
[06:50] <dr_willis> a .tgz is also a .tar.gz file.
[06:51] <zenrox> xed if bz2 then its tar -xjvf filename.tar.bz2
[06:53] <xed> zenrox, firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz <-- thats the file name.
[06:53] <zenrox> xed extract that doing tar -xzvf fireblabla.tar.gz
[06:54] <xed> Done that..
[06:54] <zenrox> then go in to the dir
[06:54] <zenrox> and do sudo ./installer
[06:55] <sexyteeth> hey
[06:55] <zenrox> hello
[06:55] <sexyteeth> first time in X-chat...how's it going?
[06:56] <zenrox> goes just fine
[06:56] <sexyteeth> how long have you been using X?
[06:57] <zenrox> xchat??
[06:57] <sexyteeth> yes. not the drug
[06:58] <zenrox> off an on for 6 years
[06:58] <zenrox> thats goes for linux too
[06:58] <sexyteeth> I'm new to linux as well
[06:58] <sexyteeth> i used windows for 6 years
[06:59] <sexyteeth> feels like starting from scratch
[06:59] <zenrox> sexyteeth,  you'll love it once you start to understand how it works
[06:59] <sexyteeth> i like things about it...and it intreages me
[07:00] <sexyteeth> but pisses me off I can't change a mp3 into a wave file yet
[07:00] <zenrox> sexyteeth,  i just wanted a chalange and i found it starting with rh 7.0
[07:00] <sexyteeth> oh i'm using ubuntu....i understand it's easier than red hat.
[07:00] <zenrox> rh 7.0 -7.2 mdk 9.0 -10.1 gentoo, suse 8.0-9.0 then ubuntu
[07:01] <zenrox> thoes are the distros i have used
[07:01] <zenrox> and i live ubuntu
[07:01] <zenrox> love
[07:01] <sexyteeth> ubuntu seems cool. but like i said...i don't know how to do some stuff that used to be simple to me
[07:02] <sexyteeth> can't even print yet
[07:02] <zenrox> sexyteeth,  have http://ubuntuguide.org in your bookmarcks then
[07:02] <sexyteeth> =(
[07:02] <zenrox> and www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[07:03] <zenrox> and www.ubuntuforums.org too
[07:03] <izaac> i use to do everything with ubuntu except karaoke cds hehe
[07:03] <izaac> even DVD Backups
[07:04] <sexyteeth> i know it can be done
[07:04] <sexyteeth> seems ten times harder than windows
[07:05] <izaac> sexyteeth: configure a printer is a pieace of cake
[07:05] <sexyteeth> i've contemplated getting another PC...so I can have windows on it...and just send the mp3's to it and change them into waves using cool edit
[07:06] <izaac> there are a lot of front ends for cupsys
[07:06] <izaac> sexyteeth: use xmms
[07:06] <sexyteeth> seems expensive but simpler
[07:06] <zenrox> ya use xmms
[07:06] <zenrox> i love xmms
[07:06] <zenrox> rythembox is kewl too
[07:06] <izaac> it has a plug in to turn mp3 into wav
[07:07] <izaac> like winamp
[07:07] <sexyteeth> i have xmms
[07:07] <zenrox> it can also play mp3s
[07:07] <zenrox> wmas and mp4s aac
[07:07] <izaac> go to preferences
[07:07] <izaac> or something like that
[07:07] <izaac> hehe
[07:07] <kurtw> After spending a few months away from Ubuntu (mostly to play around with FC3) I am back.  Just got NetworkManager working.  Boy is that great!
[07:08] <izaac> dont remember right now, im transcoding a VOB
[07:08] <sexyteeth> yeah preferances?
[07:08] <sexyteeth> well that's a step in a right direction
[07:08] <srid> hello guys
[07:08] <izaac> right click
[07:08] <srid> I am new to ubuntu
[07:09] <izaac> go to options -> preferences
[07:09] <zenrox> srid we know
[07:09] <zenrox> lol
[07:09] <kurtw> Does anyone know how to get PHP5 working in Ubuntu without having to compile PHP from source?
[07:09] <srid> downloading the warty ISO in a 6kbps line
[07:09] <srid> 6kBps
[07:09] <izaac> and then choose an output plugin
[07:09] <srid> zenrox: how?
[07:09] <zenrox> kurtw,  look at ubuntuguide.org
[07:09] <zenrox> srid i just know
[07:10] <srid> zenrox: i am a debian user
[07:10] <srid> switching to ubuntu bcoz of some latest packages in ubuntu
[07:10] <zenrox> srid i am just playing around
[07:10] <srid> hmm
[07:10] <izaac> sexyteeth: got it?
[07:11] <kurtw> zenrox, those are instructions for php4
[07:11] <sexyteeth> i'm looking at the plug ins
[07:11] <zenrox> kurtw,  find the packages for php5 and install them the same way
[07:12] <izaac> is the disk_writer
[07:12] <sexyteeth> i see wave player and I want to convert mp3's to waves
[07:12] <kurtw> kurtw@tinkerpad:~ $ sudo apt-get install php5
[07:12] <kurtw> Reading Package Lists... Done
[07:12] <kurtw> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[07:12] <kurtw> E: Couldn't find package php5
[07:12] <dabaslon> So how does it work for apps when I want to install one made lets say for red hat or sthg?
[07:13] <izaac> sexyteeth: choose the disk_writer plugin, click ok
[07:13] <Amaranth> dabaslon: you can use alien to convert RPMs to debs
[07:13] <izaac> put the files you want to convert in the playlist
[07:13] <izaac> click play
[07:13] <izaac> and that's all
[07:13] <dabaslon> thx
[07:15] <izaac> kurtw: sudo apt-cache search php
[07:15] <izaac> and check your sources if you got the universe and multiverse
[07:15] <sexyteeth> i don't think i have a disk writer program
[07:16] <sexyteeth> they're all players
[07:16] <izaac> sexyteeth: is a plugin in xmms
[07:16] <izaac> xmms is the program
[07:16] <kurtw> izaac, I only see packages for php4
[07:16] <sexyteeth> yes
[07:18] <sexyteeth> i don't even think this is working
[07:18] <gbrmn> sexyteeth: if you have mplayer install you can also do; mplayer -vo null -vc dummy -af resample=44100 -ao pcm -waveheader -aofile "outfile.wav" "infile.mp3"
[07:18] <sexyteeth> it plays the mp3s folder but it gives me no reason to believe it converts them to mp3s
[07:19] <sexyteeth> i mean waves
[07:19] <sexyteeth> do i need to enable anything?
[07:20] <izaac> dont think so
[07:21] <sexyteeth> this is retarded.
[07:21] <sexyteeth> it does nothing
[07:21] <sexyteeth> it's confirmed
[07:25] <snow> how do I get mpg avi etc files to play?
[07:25] <sexyteeth> would anyone else like to recomend a program that can change the format of an mp3 to wave?
[07:26] <sexyteeth> sorry snow...this channel is useless
[07:27] <spikeb> since we're useless, you can go now.
[07:28] <izaac> sexyteeth: man mpg123
[07:28] <snow> *shrugs* I think ppl are sleeping
[07:28] <izaac> is command line
[07:28] <izaac> but very powerful
[07:28] <srid> so ubuntu is basically gnome centric debian
[07:30] <izaac> srid: warty is like the testing in debian
[07:30] <izaac> and hoary the unstable
[07:30] <sexyteeth> what's it do?
[07:31] <izaac> sexyteeth: it shows you how to manage mpg123 to convert mp3 files to wav
[07:32] <snow> how do I playback avi, mpg files?
[07:33] <sexyteeth> open up a termanol and type mp3123 and that's it?
[07:33] <izaac> man mpg123
[07:33] <izaac> type: man mpg123
[07:34] <izaac> what you want to do?
[07:34] <izaac> a  Music CD Burn?
[07:34] <sexyteeth> yup
[07:35] <izaac> http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/MP3-CD-Burning.html
[07:35] <sexyteeth> i can burn a mp3 disc ok
[07:35] <izaac> :D
[07:35] <sexyteeth> using cd creater
[07:37] <sexyteeth> cool. hope the sites you gave me are more for Dummys than the others.
[07:37] <izaac> http://www.patoche.org/LTT/sound/00000122.html
[07:37] <sexyteeth> cause that's how i like it.
[07:39] <izaac> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AudioCDCreation
[07:39] <srid> izaac: bad! .. currently i am using debian/unstable
[07:39] <sexyteeth> i tried bookmarking once but I guess i didn't do it correctly
[07:40] <srid> so where do I download hoary?
[07:40] <izaac> srid: there is no ISO image for hoary
[07:40] <izaac> cause is unstable,
[07:40] <DanielC> Hello. When I mount my Win partition, Nautilus starts up showing the Windows folder. How can I make it stop?
[07:40] <izaac> until march
[07:40] <srid> izaac: so can I just dist-upgade from warty?
[07:41] <izaac> srid: if you know what you are doing
[07:41] <srid> toy story for debian. ? for ubuntu?
[07:41] <izaac> there are broken dependencies
[07:47] <fleece> is apache in the ubuntu apt repository, or do you have to go 'outside' ubuntu for a web server?
[07:48] <odo> hmm, why my X has only 16bit colors even after I have 24bit as only option on X's conf
[07:48] <DanielC> fleece: yes it is. No need to go "outside"
[07:53] <chapter3> somebody had recommend an alternate x11 manager earlier, it had a short package name, 4 or 5 characters, and begain with an 'x', ring any bells?
[07:53] <izaac> odo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-server
[07:53] <crimsun> chapter3: xfce4
[07:53] <chapter3> that was it, ty :)
[07:54] <izaac> jeopardy time :|
[07:54] <izaac> jaja
[07:54] <snow> how do I install win32 codecs?
[07:55] <izaac> snow: add marillat sources
[07:55] <izaac> then type: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[07:56] <snow> how do I add marillat sources?
[07:56] <zenrox> snow go look in the ubuntuforums.org
[07:57] <izaac> snow: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[07:57] <izaac> check step 2
[07:57] <chapter3> ok i installed xfce4, now how do i use it?
[07:57] <snow> ok will look there thanks
[07:57] <IRCMonkey__> hi, im trying to setup ubuntu on a hard drive. i want to format the entire thing for linux but after the install it reboots i cant get it to boot from the hard disk... what am i doing wrong?
[07:57] <carthik> So which MP3 Tagger app uses musicbrainz? anyone in the know?
[07:57] <izaac> no prob
[07:58] <IRCMonkey__> i tried setting up a partion w/ /boot and set it as bootable
[08:00] <snow> i want to add extra repositories?
[08:00] <izaac> snow: you must
[08:01] <snow> ok I'll just do what it says on that site then
[08:01] <izaac> dont be afraid, just follow the instructions
[08:03] <snow> wow it works, not very user friendly but works none the less
[08:04] <IRCMonkey__> hello..
[08:04] <izaac> IRCMonkey__: sorry i dont know how to resolve your problem :S
[08:04] <izaac> you got an error when you are installint it?
[08:05] <izaac> installing*
[08:07] <IRCMonkey__> no errors ... tired auto partitioning
[08:07] <IRCMonkey__> tried manual partitioning... setting /boot as bootable tried doing 1 ext and 1 swap and booting off /ext
[08:08] <IRCMonkey__> its not setting up mbr properly
[08:09] <izaac> IRCMonkey__: try without /boot
[08:09] <izaac> only /
[08:09] <izaac>  /home
[08:09] <izaac> ant whatever you want
[08:10] <izaac> reiser or ext3
[08:13] <IRCMonkey__> i tried that too
[08:13] <IRCMonkey__> didnt work
[08:14] <izaac> :S i try hehe
[08:14] <ojpd> kool..
[08:15] <ojpd> can I dual boot it with my windows xp??
[08:15] <IRCMonkey__> not the hd 'cause i just had windows on it
[08:15] <IRCMonkey__> ojpd: yes w/ grub
[08:15] <ojpd> does ubuntu come w/ grub?
[08:15] <izaac> ojpd: is the default boot manager
[08:16] <ojpd> cool.. so it's just like installing Mandrake or Redhat??
[08:17] <IRCMonkey__> ojpd: ubuntu installer is a lot more diffcult to setup than mandrake /red hat
[08:17] <gnuyen> how can you tell what version of X you're running?
[08:18] <izaac> here in irc?
[08:18] <snow> what should I try if my sound isn't working?
[08:18] <izaac> snow: try to visit alsa webpage, to see if your soundcard is supported
[08:19] <snow> ok, what if it isn't?
[08:19] <highvoltage> At one stage in Warty, I had to "sudo killall esd" sometimes to get my sound to work again
[08:19] <izaac> visiting the ubuntu forums? and the wiki
[08:19] <izaac> or google
[08:19] <snow> hum..
[08:19] <izaac> those are my 3 main info resources
[08:20] <snow> i think I know what they meant when they said free software doesn't mean free lunch lol
[08:20] <ojpd> oh.. ok.. do i hafto type in commands n stuff while installing? and is it gonna get rid of my windows partition if i use d default installation?
[08:20] <izaac> ojpd: nop
[08:20] <izaac> just follow instructions
[08:20] <izaac> and say yes or no
[08:20] <izaac> thats the difficult
[08:21] <ojpd> Ok dude.. u da man!! thanks izaac! what's the difficult part?
[08:21] <izaac> ojpd: and if you want your windows partition just select custom partition
[08:22] <gnuyen> I'm trying to do twinview with xorg
[08:22] <gnuyen> but it doesn't seem to work
[08:22] <gnuyen> one screen just blanks out
[08:23] <izaac> ojpd: the part that you need to choose hehe yes or no
[08:23] <ojpd> hehe ok.. hehehe sorry.. m kinda new at this. hehehe
[08:23] <izaac> ojpd: dont worry
[08:23] <geppy> How could one rebuild the Package lists on the ISO?  Does it have to be done manually?
[08:23] <izaac> just relax and enjoy the ride
[08:24] <ojpd> ahuh.. thanks izaac.. well am gonna install it now.. woo hoo!! go go go ubuntu!!
[08:24] <izaac> geppy: it need a lot of work i think
[08:24] <geppy> izaac:  What all needs to be done?
[08:25] <izaac> change the packages lists, satisfy dependencies, etc
[08:25] <geppy> There's no script to change the packages lists?
[08:25] <snow> when ever it says 'note to debian users' that means ubuntu too right?
[08:26] <jdub> snow: sometimes
[08:26] <izaac> geppy: there is a project... i think the name is morphix but is offtopic where youy can build your own iso
[08:27] <geppy> izaac:  I'm aware of other projects where you can build your own ISOs;  but I'm just trying to slightly modify the Ubuntu ISOs;  they're almost how I want them.
[08:27] <izaac> im not very familiar with te process, why dont you post in the forums?
[08:27] <izaac> the*
[08:27] <geppy> Alright; thanks.
[08:28] <gnuyen> whats a command to get X version information of a running X server?
[08:28] <izaac> maybe someone can help you when awake
[08:28] <gnuyen> I'm trying to get my nvidia drivers to work
[08:28] <izaac> gnuyen: just download
[08:28] <izaac> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[08:28] <jdub> gnuyen: xdpyinfo
[08:30] <gnuyen> i did do that
[08:30] <gnuyen> but it's not quite working properly
[08:30] <gnuyen> glx isn't working
[08:30] <geppy> izaac:  dpkg-scanpackages =)
[08:31] <jdub> use apt-ftparchive instead
[08:31] <izaac> gnuyen: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[08:32] <izaac> geppy: checking
[08:32] <gnuyen> Error: /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum
[08:32] <gnuyen> should i create the md5sum?
[08:32] <gnuyen> with md5sum?
[08:32] <izaac> :O are you using xorg
[08:32] <gnuyen> yeah
[08:32] <izaac> then i dont know
[08:32] <izaac> sorry
[08:32] <gnuyen> xpyinfo told me i was
[08:34] <carthik> what program can I use to rip songs from an audio cd as oggs or mp3s?
[08:34] <geppy> carthik: grip
[08:35] <ctd> carthik: sound-juicer
[08:36] <geppy> sound-juicer lacks functionality
[08:36] <geppy> it's pretty, though
[08:36] <brokenladder> wow!  ubuntu is great!
[08:36] <izaac> grip is enogh
[08:36] <brokenladder> how do i install it?
[08:37] <brokenladder> it just booted to a working gnome install with great anti-alised sans-serif fonts.
[08:38] <carthik> thanks geppy, ctd - grip is now up and running, I will try the juicer too, sometime.
[08:38] <carthik> So is there an MP3 tagger that uses musicbrainz yet for linux?
[08:38] <geppy> sound-juicer
[08:39] <geppy> but it sucks
[08:40] <brokenladder> uhh..can anyone tell me how to begin by installing ubuntu?
[08:41] <brokenladder> that would be great.
[08:41] <snow> ok so when downloading a sound driver from alsa, do I download their all in one driver or a sound card spcific driver?
[08:41] <carthik> pop the cd in, reboot after making the computer bootable from the cd drive, brokenladder
[08:41] <brokenladder> it did boot from the cd
[08:41] <zenrox> brokenladder,  use the werty install cd
[08:41] <brokenladder> ??
[08:42] <brokenladder> wtf
[08:42] <zenrox> not the live cd
[08:42] <brokenladder> oh fuck's sake
[08:42] <brokenladder> i don't have a burner.
[08:42] <brokenladder> is there an installer that will install over the net from here?
[08:42] <zenrox> brokenladder,  order it from there main page
[08:42] <brokenladder> i want it now.
[08:42] <zenrox> free to get it
[08:42] <brokenladder> i can just use my roomie's burner tomorrow.
[08:42] <zenrox> so start the d/l then
[08:42] <izaac> zenrox: really? to every part of the world?
[08:42] <brokenladder> i want it now.
[08:43] <zenrox> by morn it should be done
[08:43] <Aner> hello I recently installed ubuntu with grub to allow my windows to boot too. but unfourtantly I can't managge to load windows anymore - after the load screen of XP is appearing for a friction of a moment the computer restarts - I would apritiate help.
[08:43] <brokenladder> can it be installed over the net?
[08:43] <zenrox> izaac,  yes
[08:43] <izaac> WOW!!!!!
[08:43] <zenrox> i got mine and i am in the usa
[08:43] <zenrox> note that it took 3 weeks for me to get them
[08:43] <zenrox> from swisserland
[08:44] <zenrox> izaac and you can get as many as you would like
[08:44] <izaac> :O
[08:44] <izaac> sounds cool
[08:44] <deadshell> i got mine already
[08:44] <zenrox> i got my 4 that i orderd april ill order more
[08:45] <carthik> brokenladder, it should be possible to install from the live-CD (since it's based off of knoppix' cd)
[08:45] <Aner> anyone?
[08:45] <snow> nite ppls
[08:45] <brokenladder> it's based on knoppix??
[08:45] <brokenladder> holy hell.
[08:46] <brokenladder> the default ubuntu experience is great.
[08:46] <brokenladder> still tons of things i need to configure, but good.
[08:46] <brokenladder> i need to make list view and non-spatial right away.
[08:46] <brokenladder> need to make metacity not show contents on move/resize (way annoying)
[08:46] <zenrox> brokenladder,  then bookmark http://ubuntuguide.org that wil helps lots
[08:46] <brokenladder> cool
[08:46] <carthik> The live cd uses some borrowed stuff
[08:47] <synthabusion> anyone use the ppc version?
[08:47] <zenrox> synthabusion,  nope
[08:47] <synthabusion> ok
[08:47] <seek187> Does ATI have a xorg driver yet????
[08:48] <zenrox> seek187,  i think thay do
[08:49] <seek187> ok thx
[08:50] <Aner> someone?
[08:52] <Adrenal> with mozilla working with gnome
[08:52] <mkrubel> is there a supported application in ubuntu that copies CDs?
[08:52] <Adrenal> is there any chance that sunbird will eventually take over as the default ubuntu calender?
[08:52] <mkrubel> will the nautilus CD burner do it somehow?
[08:53] <geppy> mkrubel:  xcdroast?
[08:53] <geppy> mkrubel: k3b?
[08:53] <deadshell> Aner, what the /boot/grub/menu.lst say for windows?
[08:53] <mkrubel> meh, I was looking for something with fewer buttons
[08:54] <geppy> mkrubel:  Fewer than k3b?  IT
[08:54] <geppy> It's pretty simple.  =)
[08:54] <mkrubel> I know, I know, cdrecord doesn't have any; Aren't users hard to please?
[08:54] <Aner> you mean when editin the boot sequence? can't remember precisly - save default, root (hd0,0) cahinloader+1 and another thing I can't remember
[08:55] <Aner> thanks for helping btw
[08:55] <deadshell> are you running abuntu now Aner ?
[08:55] <mkrubel> geppy, what is IT?
[08:56] <Aner> no I'm runung windows from another computer altogether
[08:56] <geppy> mkrubel:  A typo.  :)
[08:56] <geppy> I meant to type "It's pretty simple," but I messed it up.
[08:57] <deadshell> Aner,  try reading this http://www.buildyourown.org.uk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4213
[08:58] <Aner> thanks - I apritiate
[08:58] <deadshell> np
[09:00] <deadshell> Aner, scroll down to J_o_e respnce on that forum
[09:00] <Aner> thnx
[09:00] <Aner> I must say that using ubuntu is a blast
[09:01] <deadshell> :D
[09:01] <deadshell> anythning debian is fun
[09:03] <bestadvocate> I love the debian ethos
[09:05] <izaac> i REALLY recommend Wesnoth
[09:05] <izaac> an open source strategy game
[09:05] <izaac> it is great
[09:05] <method55> well i got linux on here all right, thanks for the help everyone
[09:05] <bestadvocate> izaac: i play it alot
[09:06] <bestadvocate> used to play it on windows cause the source was such a pain, but now getting it on Ubuntu is a breaze
[09:07] <izaac> yeah its very easy to install
[09:08] <bestadvocate> Im going to be running hoary in about 8 hours
[09:08] <izaac> :O
[09:09] <IRCMonkey__> im still trying to get it to install
[09:09] <bestadvocate> i wonder if they still have that bug where stuff disapears off the menu when you update with synaptic
[09:10] <bestadvocate> have you seen how they split the "computer" menu in two? isnt it great?
[09:10] <izaac> :O in hoary they are packing GNOME 2.9.2
[09:11] <da_bon_bon> no 2.10 ?
[09:11] <IRCMonkey__> it will be 2.10 by the time it ships
[09:11] <bestadvocate> Its like a semi safe sid :] 
[09:11] <izaac> bestadvocate: i dont have ubuntu in english
[09:11] <bestadvocate> izaac: where you from?
[09:11] <izaac> mexico
[09:12] <Konlied> can anyone confirm that torrent.ubuntu.com is down>
[09:12] <Konlied> getting timeouts on port 6969
[09:12] <method55> is it hard to get nvidia drivers working on ubuntu?
[09:12] <izaac> Konlied: is up and running
[09:12] <bestadvocate> no its really easy method55
[09:12] <izaac> method55: pieace of cacke
[09:12] <x66221_> I need HELP please :) ... I installed ubuntu onto hde and I installed mandrake onto hdg; right now, I'm in mandrake on hdg and I want to get something off of the hde disk; so I'm trying to mount hde but I'm stuck; I tried "mount -t ext2 /dev/hde1 /ubuntu" and it says "mount point /ubuntu does not exist"; how do I do this?
[09:13] <bestadvocate> i can give you a webpage
[09:13] <method55> i have an intell pentium 4 so i want the IA32 driver right?
[09:13] <bestadvocate> x66221_ try mounting in ext3 thats the default i think
[09:14] <izaac> yeah i think the same
[09:14] <method55> also....the reason i was wondering about installing this is because i just installed ubuntu on this laptop and the max resolution i can set it to is 1024x768...i figured the nvidia driver would let me go higher?
[09:14] <Konlied> izaac: you sure about that? http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce
[09:14] <bestadvocate> oh no nevermind did you make the folder ubuntu x66221
[09:14] <izaac> method55: you can do a dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-server
[09:15] <method55> i'm new to linux, i have no idea what that means =)
[09:15] <izaac> Konlied: ha sorry i think you mean the site
[09:15] <bestadvocate> method55: i dont know if it will raise the resolution, but i do know that without the driver on my cpu the screen is off center
[09:15] <izaac> Konlied: dont know
[09:15] <x66221_> bestadvocate: no, how do I make the folder?
[09:15] <method55> besta: my screen is fine as of now
[09:15] <bestadvocate> get to root
[09:15] <x66221_> ok
[09:16] <zenrox> its sudo mkdir for maken a dir in /
[09:16] <method55> should i get the package from the nvidia site or somewhere else?
[09:16] <bestadvocate> x66221_ then type "mkdir /ubuntu
[09:16] <zenrox> mkdir for /home/yoursuername
[09:16] <izaac> method55: yeap only type: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:16] <x66221_> bestadvocate: cool!  that did it and it mounted well.  thanks!
[09:17] <bestadvocate> coolbeans x66221_
[09:17] <izaac> method55: i mean in the terminal
[09:17] <Konlied> can anyone recommend alternative ubuntu torrents?
[09:17] <method55> glx?
[09:18] <method55> i got an error when i tried
[09:18] <izaac> what error?
[09:18] <method55> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:18] <method55> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:18] <method55> Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:18] <method55> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:18] <method55> is only available from another source
[09:18] <method55> E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate
[09:18] <method55> sorry for spam
[09:18] <bestadvocate> method55 you might have to apt-get update
[09:19] <method55> type sudo apt-get update?
[09:19] <bestadvocate> yah thats the ticket
[09:19] <method55> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:20] <bestadvocate> ok now try apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:20] <bestadvocate> and if it dont work then type "sudo apt-get cache search nvidia"
[09:21] <Altke> i get this when running 'testparm' after editing 'etc/samba/smb.conf':  None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[09:21] <method55> $ sudo apt-get cache search nvidia
[09:21] <method55> E: Invalid operation cache
[09:21] <Altke> how to fix that one?
[09:21] <bestadvocate> did i spell that right... one moment
[09:21] <lizdeika> apt-get cache -> apt-cache
[09:21] <izaac> sudo apt-cache search nvidia
[09:22] <bestadvocate> yah thats what i ment  thanks guys
[09:22] <method55> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386 - Non-free Linux 2.6.8.1 modules on 386
[09:22] <method55> nvidia-kernel-common - NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[09:22] <izaac> method55: only those?
[09:22] <method55> that is what it is listing
[09:23] <izaac> weird
[09:23] <method55> thanks for the help by the way, its greatly appreciated
[09:23] <bestadvocate> izaac: my sentements exactly
[09:23] <bestadvocate> maby its already installed by some mis-hap?
[09:23] <method55> how do i find out
[09:23] <izaac> is in the main source the nvidia driver
[09:24] <bestadvocate> .... run synaptic and search for nvidia is what i would do
[09:24] <method55> that comes up with the same thing pretty much
[09:25] <bestadvocate> does it show nvidia-glx as instaled at all?
[09:25] <method55> it shows the nvidia kernal common one
[09:25] <method55> it doesnt list it at all
[09:25] <bestadvocate> just install that and then we can see if it works anyway
[09:25] <zenrox> method55,  warty or hoary
[09:25] <method55> warty
[09:25] <method55> warthog
[09:25] <method55> i think
[09:25] <zenrox> method55,  do you have all the difernt repos enabled
[09:25] <method55> no i just realized that
[09:25] <method55> i only have the first one
[09:26] <zenrox> thats why
[09:26] <bestadvocate> lol
[09:26] <zenrox> you need all the others
[09:26] <method55> :) sorry
[09:27] <bestadvocate> how often does this chanel get nvidia vs ATI flamewars anyway?
[09:27] <zenrox> bestadvocate,  alote
[09:27] <method55> yay...i see it now
[09:27] <method55> can i install it right from syanptic?
[09:27] <method55> er synaptic even
[09:27] <zenrox> method55,  yes
[09:27] <method55> ill do that
[09:27] <bestadvocate> funny ubuntu and video cards just dont associate in my head
[09:28] <zenrox> method55,  not follow the http://ubuntuguide.org for set up
[09:28] <zenrox> not =now
[09:28] <zenrox> bestadvocate,  its more about witch one is better supported in nix
[09:28] <method55> should i get nvidia-settings as well
[09:28] <zenrox> yes
[09:28] <zenrox> method55,  follow the guide
[09:30] <bestadvocate> method55: this was my favoret source on how to install nvidia drivers: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8407&page=4
[09:30] <zenrox> bestadvocate,  but that wont help on ubuntu
[09:30] <bestadvocate> yah it will
[09:30] <x66221_> ANYONE: in /etc/fstab, what is the meaning of the last two numbers in each line?
[09:30] <bestadvocate> its an article about ubuntu
[09:31] <zenrox> bestadvocate,  the ubuntuguide.org is more spisivic for ubuntu
[09:31] <zenrox> bestadvocate,  oh ok
[09:31] <bestadvocate> x66221_ its the number of times to check the harddrive for errors
[09:31] <zenrox> x66221_,  dont know
[09:31] <bestadvocate> just leave it zero zero and make life easyer
[09:32] <x66221_> bestadvocate: ok, thanks
[09:33] <ogra> bestadvocate: this guide is nice, but the second part is totally replaced by: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[09:33] <bestadvocate> really?
[09:33] <bestadvocate> doh
[09:33] <randabis> heh
[09:33] <ogra> bestadvocate: keep in mind, if you ever edit your X config by hand you will never be able to yue any X configuration tool
[09:33] <ogra> use even
[09:34] <ogra> so make a backup copy of the file if you wnat to do this ;)
[09:34] <housetier> well... there IS a way
[09:34] <bestadvocate> hasnt messed me up too much so far :)
[09:35] <ogra> housetier: what, choking around with md5sums ?
[09:35] <ogra> heh
[09:35] <housetier> ogra yes like the comments in the file itself suggest
[09:35] <ogra> housetier: i think the backup way is the easiest ;)
[09:35] <housetier> much easier indeed
[09:36] <bestadvocate> someone help me outa here
[09:36] <ogra> bestadvocate: installing nvidia in ubuntu comesw down to three things, not more, not less: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable, reboot
[09:37] <bestadvocate> orga: it even aparently works with just a gui reboot, cause i still havent rebooted to the new kernel
[09:37] <ogra> bestadvocate: nothing to edit, nothing to touch.....just these three things and you are done.....
[09:37] <Konlied> What's the quickest method for me to get ubuntu?
[09:38] <bestadvocate> download it if you have  a fast conection from their servers...?
[09:38] <ogra> Konlied: the quickest is to download the iso
[09:38] <ogra> Konlied: the easiest is to order CDs for free and wait 6weeks
[09:38] <Konlied> if not..?
[09:38] <Konlied> heh
[09:38] <bestadvocate> Konlied: toooooo long dont wait!
[09:39] <ogra> Konlied: shipit.ubuntu.com if you dont have broadband....they are entirely free (incl. shipping)
[09:39] <bestadvocate> has anyone here ever used jigdo?
[09:40] <Konlied> but then that for debian so I'm niot sure if its relevant
[09:40] <bestadvocate> ahh, the amount of bandwidth saved made it seem apealing but you have staved me off Konlied
[09:41] <bestadvocate> konlied how slow is the download going?
[09:42] <Konlied> it was at 4.6 (I should be getting ~50k norm).. try again
[09:42] <bestadvocate> bummer, i normally get 5.5 but now im getting 12
[09:43] <ogra> Konlied: there are different mirrors listed on the ubuntu site....
[09:43] <Konlied> yeah I'm hitting up http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/4.10/release/ (37KBps ... 8)
[09:44] <bestadvocate> only 7 hours 45 min till i am ridding that whory hedgehog
[09:44] <bestadvocate> ride sonic ride
[09:45] <Konlied> heh, isn't it a somewhat minor release?
[09:45] <bestadvocate> but it gives me new stuff! new means better right?
[09:46] <Konlied> mind you, debain users like me shouldn't talk about stable releases
[09:46] <BugS> hi, im having this weird problems with my mouse
[09:46] <BugS> it stucks on a random time at the left upper corner of my screen
[09:46] <bestadvocate> BugS :well try feeding it
[09:46] <ogra> bestadvocate: it is highly unstable....are you sure you really want this ?
[09:47] <BugS> and all i can do is move it real slow. any acceleration results in the cursor being moved back in the corner
[09:47] <bestadvocate> yah i like reporting bugs
[09:47] <ogra> bestadvocate: just to warn you ;)
[09:47] <BugS> it is an USB mouse
[09:47] <randabis> heh
[09:47] <randabis> I like my warty
[09:47] <bestadvocate> orga: plus nothing like a good system crash to accelerate the learning curve
[09:47] <ogra> heh
[09:47] <Konlied> bestadvocate: list of changes http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
[09:48] <Konlied> release adds apache.. odd since apache is quite hard to set up
[09:48] <Konlied> xampp all the way baby
[09:49] <bestadvocate> oooooh abiword 2.2.2
[09:49] <spikeb> heh
[09:49] <spikeb> ubuntu traffic is always behind
[09:49] <bestadvocate> indeed
[09:50] <Konlied> I was wondering if I can update ubuntu versions using apt or spm?
[09:50] <bestadvocate> yah apt works fine
[09:51] <bestadvocate> thats how i am installing hoary, i am using apt
[09:51] <Konlied> doing that with debian unstable messed my system so here I am
[09:51] <bestadvocate> :] 
[09:52] <bestadvocate> I need to give debian a second shot, havent tried it since over a year ago
[09:52] <Konlied> yay for smaller release cycles
[09:52] <bestadvocate> when sarge comes out i will give it a shot
[09:52] <bestadvocate> then switch to sid :}
[09:53] <Konlied> Despite what they are saying the installer is still no better
[09:53] <Konlied> (that's on TCv3)
[09:54] <jmob> bestadvocate: hahahaha, you're assuming that sarge is actually going to come out!
[09:54] <Konlied> I get the feeling most of us here are bitter ex debian users
[09:55] <jmob> Konlied: I still use it, but at work, and we use sarge.
[09:55] <bestadvocate> not me i never got a working debian :] 
[09:55] <spikeb> me? i'm not bitter.
[09:55] <spikeb> i just don't like the assholes
[09:55] <spikeb> :)
[09:57] <dabaslon> hey you guys know how to compile java with gcj?
[09:57] <dabaslon> And set the whole thing up on the Ubuntu...
[09:57] <jmob> http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Jan/bch20030129018402.htm
[09:58] <bestadvocate> dabaslon: whats java?
[09:58] <TTilus> bestadvocate: kinda coffee...
[09:58] <d3vic3> bestadvocate: a programming language
[09:59] <ezduzit> coffee...mmmmm
[09:59] <Konlied> jmob: it'
[09:59] <bestadvocate> i think its also i kind of really short homo-erectus
[09:59] <jmob> dabaslon: Do you have gcj installed?
[10:00] <jmob> dabaslon: do you want to -compile- (to machine code) or byte-compile to jvm byte code?
[10:01] <ezduzit> .
[10:02] <bestadvocate> im patial to caffeen with bubles
[10:02] <jmob> Konlied: seems bonkers?
[10:02] <ezduzit> anybody know anything about asla?
[10:02] <krix> hey
[10:02] <Konlied> I didn't think you could compile to anything but bytecode
[10:02] <bob2> Konlied: gcj compiles it to machine code
[10:02] <bob2> ezduzit: it should be setup automatically for you already
[10:03] <Konlied> but.. that goes against the principles of java, no?
[10:03] <dabaslon> i WANT TO COMPILE like with javac
[10:03] <dabaslon> I think...
[10:03] <jmob> dabaslon: that's not that hard
[10:04] <dabaslon> @ my school we just so can you walk me through?
[10:04] <dabaslon> scratch that.
[10:04] <dabaslon> so can you walk me through?
[10:04] <seek187> Is the menu editor broke in hoary?
[10:04] <ezduzit> i'm trying to listen to an audio cd. it's not happening.
[10:05] <ezduzit> it plays but no sound. mp3 on hardrive play fine
[10:05] <dabaslon> im listening to some boring song...
[10:05] <dabaslon> :)))
[10:05] <dabaslon> jmob:so can you walk me through?
[10:05] <bob2> ezduzit: sounds like your cd drive isn't plugged into your sound card
[10:05] <jmob> dabaslon: http://www.sunsite.ualberta.ca/Documentation/Gnu/gcc-3.0.2/html_node/gcj_6.html#SEC6
[10:05] <bob2> dabaslon: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, there's a section on java
[10:06] <jmob> dabaslon: I haven't read that, but it looks decent
[10:06] <dabaslon> Does this describe all the installation, and all?
[10:06] <dabaslon> k
[10:06] <jmob> dabaslon: I found that with google btw
[10:06] <ezduzit> well i'm a newbie...but a friend told me to type some stuff...and it came up my asla files
[10:07] <bob2> I really don't think your problem is related to ALSA.
[10:08] <ezduzit> does anyone know anything about azla?
[10:08] <ezduzit> thanks...alsa
[10:08] <jmob> ezduzit: that doesn't sound like an alsa problem
[10:09] <jmob> ezduzit: if you already have sound it sounds like you don't have your cd-rom drive hooked up to your sound card.
[10:09] <zenrox> ezduzit,  or your vol for your cdrom is so low
[10:10] <ezduzit> ok then.
[10:10] <ezduzit> must be it's not conected because i adjusted the mixer
[10:11] <jmob> ezduzit: there's a cable that goes directly from your CD-ROM to your sound card, if it's not there's only a few players that can ``emulate'' it being there.
[10:12] <randabis> hmm
[10:13] <dabaslon> Do you think the gcj compiles like javac, meaning source can be same?
[10:13] <bob2> ezduzit: try 'totem cdda://' i na terminal, no quotes.
[10:13] <dabaslon> should be...
[10:13] <bob2> dabaslon: no
[10:13] <dabaslon> anyhow.
[10:13] <dabaslon> no?
[10:13] <dabaslon> serious?
[10:13] <dabaslon> cant be..
[10:13] <bob2> a) gcj compiles to machine code, not java byte code
[10:14] <bob2> b) gcj isn't sun's java, and is probably incomaptibile in some small ways
[10:14] <bob2> c) gcj uses classpath, which is not a complete implementation of sun's java standard library
[10:14] <bob2> if this is for school, use sun's java
[10:14] <jmob> bob2: as long as it produces byte code to spec it should run any JVM
[10:14] <bob2> yes, I know
[10:15] <ezduzit> i have a wire that runs to the motherboard and a wire that runs from the motherboard to the soundcard
[10:15] <jmob> classpath is compatable with JDK 1.0 supposedly :)
[10:17] <dabaslon> you think I should?
[10:17] <dabaslon> serious?
[10:17] <jmob> dabaslon: is this for school?
[10:17] <dabaslon> I was hoping its the same thing.
[10:17] <dabaslon> This....
[10:17] <dabaslon> :)))))))
[10:17] <dabaslon> k...
[10:18] <dabaslon> Its for HIGHer learning.
[10:18] <dabaslon> so you think go for javac?
[10:18] <dabaslon> which java do I download?
[10:18] <jmob> dabaslon: wtf that means, use Sun's JDK, it's going to be more reliable, unless you have a free software bug up your ass it's going to be easier to deal with.
[10:18] <dabaslon> on the site...
[10:18] <dabaslon> theres many
[10:19] <dabaslon> haha
[10:19] <dabaslon> cool stuff....
[10:19] <dabaslon> higher learning means I wanna learn it school or no school.....
[10:20] <dabaslon> but thanks.
[10:20] <dabaslon> :)
[10:20] <tam_> hello
[10:20] <Emanuelez> hello * :)
[10:21] <tam_> how many people on x-chat
[10:21] <Emanuelez> tam_: me is one of them :)
[10:22] <tam_> which country you in ?
[10:22] <krix> italy :P :)
[10:23] <krix> hm in hoary is there any j2re package ?
[10:23] <krix> or just do the way what says the ubuntuguide?
[10:23] <tam_> don't know
[10:23] <jmob> tam_: irssi
[10:23] <Emanuelez> tam_: italy
[10:24] <tam_> Australia
[10:27] <ezduzit> my cd drives are connected to my soundcard. I'm looking at my console right now. what programs can imulate whatever it is I need?
[10:28] <jmob> ezduzit: gnome-cd doesn't work?
[10:28] <dabaslon> krix, you want a sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb?
[10:29] <dabaslon> Hey, is that the one I need?
[10:29] <ezduzit> it's just the cd player
[10:29] <krix> dabaslon, maybe yes ?
[10:29] <krix> dabaslon, is there in hoary ?
[10:29] <ezduzit> not sound juicer or sound recorder
[10:29] <ezduzit> ubuntu's cd player
[10:31] <dabaslon> I dont know, I have that one, for some reason...
[10:31] <dabaslon> :)
[10:31] <dabaslon> Someone gave it, or I got it somewhere...
[10:31] <krix> dabaslon, not requied
[10:31] <krix> i installed by hand :)
[10:31] <krix> btw thx.
[10:32] <dabaslon> sure...
[10:32] <krix> but another problem. Installed mozilla-firefox frm hoary
[10:32] <krix> installed flashplayer plugin. But now when i went to a flash site
[10:32] <krix> then firefox freeze :)
[10:32] <dabaslon> heh..
[10:32] <dabaslon> thats cause youre living on the bleeding edge...
[10:32] <dabaslon> hahaha
[10:32] <krix> haha :)
[10:33] <dabaslon> thats ffrom the site...
[10:33] <dabaslon> I wish I knew how to compile java on my computer...
[10:33] <dabaslon> Ive had this OS for a while and still nothing...
[10:33] <ezduzit> i wish i knew how to play and listen to a cd
[10:34] <dabaslon> it suck anyhow...
[10:34] <dabaslon> you have warty?
[10:34] <d3vic3> erm
[10:34] <ezduzit> yup
[10:34] <dabaslon> Whats not working for you, software?
[10:35] <d3vic3> dabaslon, do you have j2sdk installed ?
[10:35] <dabaslon> Im trying to figure howto...
[10:35] <dabaslon> the installation, everything.
[10:35] <d3vic3> well
[10:35] <dabaslon> yeey
[10:35] <d3vic3> sudo apt-get install j2sdk
[10:35] <dabaslon> thx
[10:36] <dabaslon> funk/
[10:36] <dabaslon> again missing package...
[10:36] <d3vic3> I think it is in multiverse though, so u might wanna edit the sources file
[10:36] <dabaslon> how...
[10:38] <d3vic3> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:38] <ezduzit> ok then. i can't figure it out. my systom must not like Ubuntu.
[10:38] <brokenladder> i'm brand spanking new to ubuntu.  loving it but i have some questions.
[10:38] <brokenladder> how do i set up a password for my root account?
[10:38] <dabaslon> k without sudo is fine, im logged as root.
[10:39] <bob2> brokenladder: the FAQ in the topic explains it
[10:39] <dabaslon> which one do I add?
[10:39] <bob2> but you don't need to
[10:39] <dabaslon> the one from the site?
[10:39] <brokenladder> don't need to?
[10:39] <bob2> ezduzit: no, it's your hardware missing something.  xmms and xmms-cdread should work fine, as will gnome-cd in hoary.
[10:39] <brokenladder> i want to do stuff that only root can do.
[10:39] <Xof> hello
[10:39] <brokenladder> like chown through massive directories.
[10:40] <brokenladder> i'll read the faq for now.
[10:40] <Xof> I've heard that ubuntu maintainers are having difficulty with sbcl (which would unblock a wodge of cl-foo dependencies).  Is this right?
[10:40] <ezduzit> thank you bob2 for listening
[10:40] <bob2> brokenladder: then you use sudo.
[10:41] <ezduzit> where can I get/find out more about what I need?
[10:41] <bob2> Xof: try #ubuntu-devel, but I believe it's been discussed on the list in the past.
[10:41] <Xof> Thanks.  I will.  (I'm "upstream" for sbcl)
[10:42] <d3vic3> bob2, do you know what source is sun-j2sk1.5 from ?
[10:42] <brokenladder> how can i use sudo if i haven't made a root password yet?
[10:42] <krix> brokenladder, login with your username
[10:42] <krix> then do a
[10:42] <krix> sudo su -
[10:42] <krix> type your user password and then you will be root
[10:42] <scoon> d3vic3, dpkg -p sun-j2sdk1.5debian
[10:42] <krix> then you can change the root password.
[10:43] <d3vic3> dabaslon, are you following ?
[10:43] <ezduzit> where can I get help?
[10:43] <zenrox> krix,  even easer sudo -s
[10:43] <krix> zenrox, what you like :)
[10:43] <dabaslon> not really got lost...let me read bac
[10:44] <brokenladder> thanks so much
[10:44] <krix> np
[10:44] <brokenladder> gawd..ubuntu kicks my slackware desktop's ass.
[10:44] <d3vic3> scoon, says package not available
[10:44] <jholdt> is ubuntu deb based?
[10:44] <scoon> d3vic3, have you enabled multivers ?
[10:44] <krix> jholdt, yep :)
[10:44] <jholdt> i mean deb package management system
[10:45] <dabaslon> what do I add, i didnt get it, you dont know yet, right...
[10:45] <d3vic3> yup
[10:45] <krix> hm a question. In ubuntu the hoary branch is like debian's sid branch ?
[10:45] <krix> i mean this is the development tree or something else ?
[10:45] <krix> right ?
[10:45] <scoon> d3vic3, try apt-cache search j2sdk
[10:45] <bob2> d3vic3: no, sorry...
[10:45] <d3vic3> i did
[10:45] <bob2> d3vic3: 'apt-cache policy sun-j2sk1.5' will tell you
[10:45] <d3vic3> it shows it there
[10:45] <krix> d3vic3, did an apt-get update after modifing sources.list ?
[10:45] <krix> :)
[10:46] <ezduzit> where can i get help? hell?
[10:46] <d3vic3> yes
[10:46] <krix> ezduzit, about what ????
[10:46] <d3vic3> yes kurtw
[10:46] <bob2> ezduzit: try asking on the user list.
[10:46] <no0tic> hi1
[10:46] <d3vic3> yes krix
[10:46] <krix> d3vic3, okay. :)
[10:46] <ezduzit> thank you
[10:47] <dabaslon> im goin to sleep...
[10:47] <d3vic3> hmmm
[10:47] <krix> dabaslon, good night :)
[10:47] <scoon> d3vic3, I am running hoary and for what it is worth I get E: Broken packages
[10:47] <randabis> heh
[10:47] <d3vic3> heh
[10:47] <scoon> d3vic3, it probably doesn't matter much since the packages are broken.
[10:47] <dabaslon> thanks.
[10:48] <randabis> I run warty
[10:48] <scoon> d3vic3, I just installed my from sun. Put it in /opt and added some vars to /etc/profile
[10:48] <d3vic3> scoon, tough
[10:48] <scoon> d3vic3,  ?
[10:48] <randabis> made a boo boo earlier and was accidently pointing to the hoary universe and multiverse in my sources.list
[10:48] <d3vic3> hmm
[10:48] <randabis> broke a lot of things, but I've got it all sorted out now
[10:49] <d3vic3> getting it from sun is not an option, since i'm hacking apt-*
[10:49] <d3vic3> getting it from sun is not an option, since i'm hacking apt-get
[10:49] <randabis> except I can't get gdesklets working...I open it, it loads, then quits
[10:50] <d3vic3> scoon, I'm south african, sometimes you will not understand me
[10:50] <d3vic3> heh
[10:50] <scoon> d3vic3, whatever that means. somebody has to get them from there at some point.
[10:50] <d3vic3> yeah
[10:52] <jholdt> when i boot the warty install disc the install freezes at the language selection screen and there are two white lines, one spanning the top of the screen, the other the bottom
[10:53] <jholdt> sounds like a graphics problem, though thats silly that it'd have a problem with that... i'm using a sapphire radeon 9200 atlantis
[10:54] <jholdt> and its seriously frozen, even the numlock key doesnt toggle on/off
[10:54] <randabis> heh ati sucks for linux
[10:55] <krix> randabis, exactly :)
[10:55] <brokenladder> what is this "colours" crap in my desktop background settings?!
[10:55] <brokenladder> it's "colors"
[10:56] <brokenladder> can't the creators of this software spell?
[10:56] <jholdt> broken: not all english speakers in the world are american
[10:57] <randabis> hmm
[10:58] <no0tic> randabis: it's not a news :)
[10:58] <brokenladder> but "colour" is some fringe old school way of writing.
[10:58] <randabis> anyone have any experience with vlc?
[10:58] <brokenladder> that's not the way you'd see it written in a science journal.
[10:58] <randabis> particularly vlc-gnome
[10:58] <no0tic> brokenladder: it's british.
[10:58] <brokenladder> i know!
[10:58] <randabis> err gnome-vlc
[10:58] <brokenladder> that's not proper spelling.
[10:58] <jholdt> does it madder?
[10:58] <jholdt> :D
[10:59] <jholdt> yes, i know... i did it just for you ;)
[10:59] <randabis> just wondering because the playlist seems to work funky
[10:59] <brokenladder> anyway, how can i change my desktop resolution and make it stick?  do i need to edit the x.org config manually?
[10:59] <randabis> you can't scroll it with the mouse and using the arrows doesn't make it scroll down
[11:00] <jholdt> ok, ubuntu crashing at cli gui setup is just silly
[11:00] <bob2> jholdt: if you're sure your hardware is good, please file a bug
[11:01] <jholdt> it is, how?
[11:01] <bob2> brokenladder: the detecttion didn't work?
[11:01] <x66221_> newbie question for anyone: I want to COPY ALL files and folders in /home/a to /home/b  how do I do that?
[11:01] <bob2> jholdt: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:01] <bob2> x66221_: cd /home/a ; cp -r . /home/b
[11:02] <murtaza> any idea abt novel client for ubuntu box
[11:02] <x66221_> ok, thanks
[11:04] <brokenladder> bob2, i don't know what you mean by detection.
[11:05] <brokenladder> it's in 1600x1200 and i'd like it a little lower since this monitor is really small
[11:05] <jholdt> wow, gotta love the ubuntu bugzilla account creation
[11:06] <brokenladder> well, thanks for the help and goodnight.  glad to be an ubuntu user.  things going well so far tonight.
[11:06] <brokenladder> best linux installr i've ever seen.
[11:06] <brokenladder> including red hat, mandrake, slackware, etc.
[11:06] <brokenladder> it might even rival the beos installer.
[11:06] <bob2> brokenladder: try installing gnome-xrandr and using the panel applet
[11:07] <brokenladder> i think i'll just run xorgconf
[11:07] <brokenladder> no biggie.
[11:07] <brokenladder> bonan nokton
[11:07] <brokenladder> (esperanto for "good night")
[11:07] <jholdt> definately very well thought out... one giant step towards linux being a word grandma knows
[11:07] <brokenladder> exactly.
[11:07] <brokenladder> yet wthout the microsoftness of fedora. :)
[11:07] <randabis> yessir, it's really now
[11:07] <randabis> nice
[11:08] <randabis> best debian-based distro I've ever used
[11:08] <brokenladder> i wish the default for metacity was wireframe move/resize though. you have to use gconf editor to set that.
[11:08] <jholdt> gotta give knoppix some brownie points though
[11:08] <krix> mhmm
[11:08] <krix> what is the module name that is requied for writing cdroms on a 2.6.X based kernel series ,
[11:08] <krix> ?
[11:09] <bob2> ide-cd
[11:09] <bob2> which is already loaded
[11:09] <krix> hmm
[11:09] <bob2> cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso, or the equivalent in your gui of choice
[11:09] <krix> ah
[11:09] <krix> btw scanbus didn't find anything
[11:09] <jholdt> hmm... its taking forever to get my email from bugzilla...
[11:10] <jholdt> heh, and there it is
[11:10] <bob2> ignore scanbus, you don't need it
[11:10] <krix> ah
[11:10] <krix> okay.
[11:10] <x66221_> bob2: in "cp -r . /home/b" what is the purpose of the period?  of course it worked fine, I'm just wanting to understand.
[11:11] <bob2> x66221_: . = current directory
[11:11] <bob2> x66221_: you could have alternativel yrun 'cp -r /home/a /home/b'
[11:11] <x66221_> ok
[11:11] <krix> bob2, thanks. working fine
[11:16] <no0tic> can anyone suggest me a good latex editor?
[11:16] <mjr> emacs ;)
[11:17] <thisfred> no0tic: you mean wysiwig?
[11:17] <no0tic> thisfred: no
[11:17] <jholdt> how can i use a generic video driver to see if thats the problem thats making setup crash?
[11:17] <thisfred> oh ok, in that case emacs
[11:17] <thisfred> or vi
[11:17] <krix> bye
[11:17] <markus_> Hi. It seems that though ubuntu-calendar-january (5.01) is available, the meta-package ubuntu-calendar was not updated (4.12). Anybody knows something about this?
[11:17] <trey3> no0tic: taken a look at 'glimmer'?
[11:17] <no0tic> trey3: I will
[11:18] <thisfred> there is texmacs, which is neither latex nor emacs exactly but looks impressive (never used it)
[11:18] <mjr> markus_, hmh, it is for me
[11:19] <markus_> Your ubuntu-calendar has version 5.01? (Strange, since I've just updated the package list using the official archive.ubuntu.com repositories...)
[11:21] <x66221_> where's the proper directory to install something like Mozilla Firefox?
[11:21] <highvoltage> for the versions from mozilla.org?
[11:21] <bob2> it's already installed
[11:22] <highvoltage> I usually put them in /opt
[11:22] <bob2> if you mean "install random thing from tarball", /usr/local/blah/ is a good choice
[11:22] <x66221_> ok
[11:44] <x66221> ANYONE: is there a similar irc channel for mandrake?
[11:45] <wezzer> x66221: #mandrake maybe?
[11:45] <x66221> sure enough!  sorry :)
[12:04] <sereNity> hi
[12:04] <no0tic> hi
[12:04] <sereNity> my ubuntu cd (ordered) exploded in my cd rom drive.
[12:05] <no0tic> sereNity: ?
[12:05] <sereNity> i have fotos
[12:05] <skyweb> hi
[12:05] <esher> lol sereNity ?
[12:05] <esher> pls give us some pictures :)
[12:06] <sereNity> kk
[12:06] <sereNity> where can i upload?
[12:06] <esher> 1mom
[12:06] <skyweb> after install ubuntu warty my laptop start with runlevel 2 and don't have root password (what's the default?)
[12:07] <no0tic> esher: lmom? what does it mean?
[12:07] <esher> one mom
[12:07] <esher> one moment
[12:07] <no0tic> skyweb: it's the default
[12:07] <no0tic> esher: 1 mom not l mom :)
[12:08] <skyweb> no0tic: can you give me! :)
[12:08] <esher> hehe no0tic
[12:08] <esher> :P
[12:08] <no0tic> skyweb: to do administration tasks you are supposed to use sudo (the user you created during installation is in /etc/sudoers)
[12:09] <no0tic> skyweb: root account is disabled
[12:10] <skyweb> no0tic: when use sudo <command> ubuntu request password!
[12:10] <no0tic> skyweb: your password, not root password!
[12:10] <skyweb> ops
[12:10] <skyweb> it's ok
[12:12] <esher> whats the "peon" user in default etc/sudoers
[12:12] <no0tic> skyweb: ubuntuguide.org & the wiki on the official site are a good doc source :)
[12:12] <esher> ?
[12:15] <RavingIdiot> Morning all
[12:21] <esher> https://www.debianshells.de/ubuntu_explode/
[12:22] <maswan> esher: Don't sit on it. My sister already discovered that.
[12:23] <nyxtreme> does anyone know a windows emulator for ubuntu that allows me to use window applications and games?
[12:23] <esher> nyxtreme, wine ?
[12:24] <no0tic> nyxtreme: crossover office for apps, cedega for games
[12:24] <Fyren> Salut / hi
[12:25] <NyXtreme> esher: I tried wine, it's too confusing lol
[12:25] <NyXtreme> no0tic: I'll try them, thanks
[12:25] <Fyren> Is there anyone speack french here ? :o
[12:26] <bob2> try #ubuntu-fr
[12:26] <sjoerd> Fyren: try #ubuntu-fr, should be lots there :)
[12:26] <Fyren> Thx :)
[12:27] <Fyren> lol 35 people on ubuntu-fr 294 here :o
[12:27] <rsacherer> Hello! i really LOVE ubuntu!!! hoary rocks! --> and my question is: MrProject/Planner in Ubuntu has the ability to store the Projectplan in a postgredatabase, i installed the sql-schema on my database server, but i can't open nor save a plan to the database ... it seems as clicking on the ok button does nothing?
[12:29] <RavingIdiot> server irc.northamerica.freenode.org
[12:29] <bob2> rsacherer: I'd try the user list
[12:30] <rsacherer> bob2, yeah, i just thought somebody might now if this was disabled at build time in ubuntu ...
[12:31] <RavingIdiot> Okay, I'm back and hopefully less lag:)
[12:35] <RavingIdiot> I have a quick question regarding updating Ubuntu. Now, in the FAQ, it mentions adding extra sources to the apt sources. If you actually add those, then do a upgrade, could that potentially break Ubuntu because none Ubuntu supported packages get installed in place of the Ubuntu ones?
[12:35] <RavingIdiot> none=non
[12:37] <rsacherer> RavingIdiot, it's a bit for advanced users, you need to know if the package you intend to install, and it's dependencies, could harm (overwrite) ubuntu packages or not ...
[12:38] <rsacherer> i have a lot of additional packages installed (Java, some debian stuff i did not found in ubuntu, namely pgadminIII)
[12:38] <RavingIdiot> Granted, I have yet to play with Ubuntu, just asking that one question. Just downloaded it, and am gonna burn it now...giving it a shot after trying a couple of other linux distros
[12:40] <rsacherer> RavingIdiot, be sure to activate the universe apt source (and multiverse if you use hoary), then there should be more or less all packages you need, just for some really specially needs you need additional package sources!
[12:40] <RavingIdiot> Anywhere I can check out what versions some of the packages are at?
[12:41] <rsacherer> apt-cache search <package> or apt-cach show <package>
[12:41] <rsacherer> +e
[12:41] <RavingIdiot> I mean before installing:)
[12:42] <rsacherer> or this gui-ish synaptics stuff i never used ..... apt-cache search and show are intended to check package BEFORE installation :-)
[12:42] <RavingIdiot> Okay, before installing Ubuntu;)
[12:42] <rsacherer> ah
[12:43] <sereNity> make sure it doesnt have cracks in it
[12:43] <rsacherer> not before installing ubuntu, but before you intend to install the package you want ;-)
[12:43] <sereNity> cuz like they tend to explode in ur cd rom
[12:43] <RavingIdiot> Well, shoot, I been installing and formatting all week, so if I have to do it again oh well:)
[12:43] <rsacherer> sereNity, cracks?
[12:43] <RavingIdiot> Alright, bbiab, hopefully in ubuntu
[12:43] <sereNity> ya, my cd exploded in my cdrom drive
[12:44] <rsacherer> sereNity, what do you have for a drive? a 52x? i read about this a while ago, some norwegian instituted played around with such stuff ;-)
[12:44] <rsacherer> but i did not know if this could be true ;-)
[12:44] <sereNity> yep 52
[12:44] <sereNity> lol
[12:45] <sereNity> it was struggling to read
[12:45] <sereNity> then suddenly a big bang
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[12:45] <sereNity> result.. https://www.debianshells.de/ubuntu_explode/
[12:47] <rsacherer> Looooooooooooool
[12:48] <Telep> hmm?
[12:50] <rsacherer> with a bit of imagination, the second picture, the hole of the cd, the crack to the right, the crack to the left and the crack down looks like one of the ubuntu manikin *ggg*
[12:57] <feAR`> hello, i installed ubuntu from cd, and, there is Xfree86, i wanna xorg, btw, xchat`s version is 2.0.8 ;/ i wanna to have unstable software..
[12:57] <feAR`> can someone give me sources.list file with unstable software`s repositories ? :}
[12:58] <stvn> feAR`: get hoary
[12:58] <stvn> feAR`: replace warty with hoary in your sources list
[12:58] <feAR`> my sources.list is almost empty :)
[12:58] <feAR`> ;/
[12:59] <feAR`> it would be cool, if you could send your sources.list file on dcc...
[12:59] <stvn> feAR`: search the wiki for multiverse and universe
[12:59] <stvn> i'm off
[12:59] <feAR`> ok, thanks.
[01:01] <esher> feAR`: http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[01:02] <macewan> feAR: replace warty with hoary in your sources.list - this works
[01:03] <feAR`> ok.
[01:03] <feAR`> and after that, i`ll do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, right?
[01:03] <feAR`> and i`ll get the new software.
[01:03] <ogra> feAR: but be aware that unstable really means unstable in ubuntu...this is not debian ;)
[01:03] <feAR`> sorry for the lame questions :) i moved from gentoo to debian based distros..
[01:04] <feAR`> i didn`t use debian before.
[01:05] <feAR`> so i dont know :)
[01:05] <feAR`> in gentoo i used unstable software..
[01:05] <feAR`> that was working fine.
[01:05] <dud> tovid is such a brilliant piece of godlike script...
[01:06] <rsacherer> feAR`, vi /etc/apt/sources, :%s/warty/hoary/g
[01:06] <ogra> feAR: hoary is in steady flux.... synced from debian sid from time to time and stuffed with additional features and bugs.....so its quite more unstable then debian sid
[01:06] <rsacherer> feAR`, then apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:06] <macewan> feAR: http://www.whiprush.org/2004/12/on_running_deve.html
[01:06] <ogra> feAR: so it can be that your X server breaks for one or two weeks...your gnome doesnt work or your package management system....
[01:07] <rsacherer> feAR`, ogra knows what he is talking about!! i know it by myself how frustrating a hoary 'can' be ;-)
[01:07] <ogra> feAR: if you are fine with such....upgrade....if not, stay with warty till end of feb. (preview release)
[01:07] <feAR`> Get:26 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Release [101B] 
[01:07] <feAR`> Fetched 4965kB in 2m54s (28,5kB/s)
[01:07] <feAR`> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[01:07] <feAR`> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[01:07] <feAR`> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:08] <feAR`> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[01:08] <feAR`> :)
[01:08] <feAR`> gheh
[01:08] <ogra> feAR: hoary-updates isnt existing ;)
[01:08] <feAR`> ok
[01:08] <rsacherer> feAR`, that's ok, hoary-updates ore not really in need right now *g*
[01:09] <feAR`> thank you
[01:09] <ogra> there is only:  main, restricted, universe and multiverse (like in warty) .... no security updates or updates :)
[01:09] <feAR`> ok, another problem.
[01:09] <rsacherer> ogra, is multiverse also included in warty?
[01:10] <ogra> sure
[01:10] <feAR`> it wants upgrade Xfree
[01:10] <feAR`> bullshit
[01:10] <feAR`> i wanna xorg.
[01:10] <rsacherer> ogra, what's the difference between multiverse and universe?
[01:10] <ogra> sure
[01:10] <feAR`> should i remove xfree by apt-get remove xfree?
[01:10] <rsacherer> feAR`, apt-get install xserver-xorg
[01:10] <ogra> feAR: if you didnt uninstall the ubuntu-desktop package, it should happen automatically
[01:10] <feAR`> reformed, ok, but before this, i need to remove Xfree right?
[01:11] <feAR`> ubuntu-desktop package, what do u mean? what does this package
[01:11] <feAR`> ?
[01:11] <feAR`> huf ;))
[01:11] <macewan> feAR: http://www.whiprush.org/2004/12/on_running_deve.html
[01:11] <ogra> rsacherer: universe = all unsupported free software, multiverse = debian/contrib + non-free
[01:12] <feAR`> macewan, thanks, i know how to use apt and dpkg ;)
[01:12] <ogra> feAR: its a empty meta package that cares for clean updates... if you uninstall some essential desktop Sw (i.e. totem for totem-xine) it gets removed
[01:12] <mati> Is localisation easy in Ubuntu?
[01:12] <feAR`> ogra, ok, thank you.
[01:13] <macewan> feAR: I was referring to the message he was trying to get across to people.
[01:13] <rsacherer> mati, apt-cache search localisation
[01:13] <feAR`> macewan, ok, thanks.
[01:13] <ogra> mati: depends.... i heard there are some probs with norwegian or swedish locales
[01:13] <feAR`> brb
[01:13] <rsacherer> acheck - Check common localisation mistakes
[01:14] <ogra> mati: what do you plan to do ?
[01:14] <rsacherer> mati, sorry, i did not read the 'easy' so .... i should read before answer :-)
[01:17] <mati> ogra: Well, I was thinking of a desktop distro for my mom and/or my grandpa. Since they are not very good at english I'd like to make Ubuntu speak Polish. Since I haven't even installed it I'm just gathering information.
[01:19] <ogra> hmm, polish should be fine (i think there is also a #ubuntu-pl channel and a polish mailing list)
[01:19] <mati> ogra: I had some looong nights localising Debian and I wanted to know if that is easier in Ubuntu
[01:20] <mati> #ubuntu-pl you say...
[01:20] <feAR`> ;)
[01:21] <feAR`> ok, i did apt-get update, now i`ll do apt-get instlal xserver-xorg, and later i`ll remove Xfree86, and then i`ll do apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:21] <feAR`> ok?
[01:21] <mati> ogra: no #ubuntu-pl at freenode :(
[01:22] <ogra> feAR: dist-upgrade should care for you....if not, you can get xserver-xorg later...
[01:22] <ogra> mati: i know there once was one... :(
[01:22] <feAR`> no, ogra, dist-upgrade suggessts Xfree update x] 
[01:23] <ogra> feAR: the xserver also has meta packages...which one will get upgraded ?
[01:23] <feAR`> ok, i`ll do now dist-upgrade.
[01:24] <brianb04> Ubuntu
[01:26] <ogra> mati: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-December/016989.html
[01:27] <brianb04> Everything is working...very well...pleasent surprise.
[01:29] <brianb04> Now, to get the Nvidia driver in.
[01:30] <ogra> brianb04: only two commands and a reboot away ;) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:31] <brianb04> Yep, found that. Now to tweak that...Ummm, now the big thing, how can I change the refresh on 1280x1024? The card and monitor support higher than 60, and 60 kills my eyes
[01:32] <ogra> brianb04: first make sure the driver runs fine....then you can adjust it with: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:33] <ogra> brianb04: if you still need more options: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[01:33] <brianb04> Well, first, I should fix the monitor settings in XConfig...
[01:33] <ogra> brianb04: make sure HSync and VSync values match your monitor....
[01:33] <ogra> brianb04: and _never_ edit this file by hand
[01:33] <brianb04> Oh? Why not?
[01:34] <brianb04> Just out of curiosity. Potential of breaking it?
[01:34] <ogra> brianb04: because there is acertain md5sum mmechanism thast prevents tools from changing the file after you touchged it
[01:34] <brianb04> Ah, I get it.
[01:34] <ogra> make a backup before you edit it .....
[01:35] <ogra> if you break something....just copy it back
[01:36] <brianb04> Okay, here we go, see if everything runs right:)
[01:41] <kent> How come k3b demands kcontrol in Hoary now? kcontrol puts an entry in the top menu, so its very ugly :(
[01:42] <brianb04> Okay, the driver took, now what was the line to reconfig the X server?
[01:46] <nyxtreme> does anyone know where to download the trial for cedega?
[01:50] <tuxJr_14> hi
[01:53] <ogra> brianb04: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:53] <bob2> nyxtreme: #cedega
[01:53] <lonewolff> can  anyone tell me how to stop ubuntu from changing my resolv.conf file back after every change i make?
[01:54] <bob2> lonewolff: you don't want to use DHCP?
[01:54] <lonewolff> no, and im not using dhcp
[01:54] <bob2> did you install resolvconf?
[01:54] <lonewolff> no i didnt
[01:54] <tck> lo
[01:55] <bob2> 'grep dhcp /etc/network/interfaces' prints nothing?
[01:55] <bob2> you're really sure resolvconf isn't installed?
[01:55] <tck> i know someone who needed apps that were not in the Ubuntu repos, so he added the usual Debian repos - so far so good.
[01:56] <tck> he did a complete apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, and because of the additional repos, there's a load of stuff for upgrade - three hours of downloading @ 52Kbps, to be precise.
[01:56] <lonewolff> indeed it prints nothing and resolvconf is not installed
[01:56] <tck> My question is this - when it's all finished, will he still be running Ubuntu, or will it simply be Debian unstable?
[01:57] <tck> (i know u shouldnt mix ubuntu and debian repos, but still)
[01:57] <bob2> tck: it will be a bastard mix of both, and not supportable by debian nor ubuntu
[01:57] <tck> thank you,
[01:57] <tck> what would u call the base system ?
[01:57] <tck> weird one eh
[01:57] <bob2> which base system?
[01:57] <the--dud> GNU/Linux
[01:57] <the--dud> as usual...
[01:57] <lonewolff> bob2: i use a static public routable ip and my own dns servers, i dont use dhcp (but there is a dhcp server running on the router) and i just want to make ubuntu leave the changes i make
[01:58] <tck> or the underlying core of the distribution, debian or ubuntu
[01:58] <bob2> lonewolff: I can't htink of anything else that would modify it.  try asking on the list.
[01:58] <bob2> tck: gnu, I guess
[01:58] <tck> :)
[01:58] <bob2> but it's not something that you'd often bother naming
[01:59] <the--dud> i think its nice to include the GNU part when addressing a linux distro
[02:00] <the--dud> pay a bit of homage to the hardworking hackers at fsf
[02:00] <zaeem> hi guys
[02:00] <zaeem> hi bob2
[02:01] <zaeem> can someone help me with using cvs..
[02:01] <zaeem> i cant find out the exact syntax...
[02:01] <zaeem> i need to checkout a few files from gnome cvs..
[02:02] <zAo^> morning
[02:02] <zaeem> morning zAo^
[02:03] <zaeem> zAo^: can you help me with using cvs?
[02:03] <zAo^> zaeem, dont thinks so, but you can try me :)
[02:04] <the--dud> i find it easier to use a GUI application for cvs
[02:04] <zaeem> the--dud: can you name that app?
[02:04] <the--dud> just a lot of hassle typing all the stuff out
[02:05] <zombics> how can i make my windows partition readable with my normal user?
[02:05] <the--dud> civiric or something heh
[02:05] <zAo^> zombics, edit /etc/fstab as root. In the parameter collum, use umask=007,gid=1000
[02:06] <zAo^> remount afterwards
[02:06] <kezz> zombics, you need to add a flag to its line in /etc/fstab
[02:06] <the--dud> gcvs and lincvs seems to be two zaeem
[02:06] <kezz> yeah what zAo^ said
[02:06] <zaeem> thnx the--dud
[02:07] <zombics> zAo^, thx man :)
[02:07] <zAo^> np
[02:10] <zAo^> does anyone know the win32 tool C-Xbox ?
[02:11] <zAo^> hmm
[02:11] <zAo^> need that one very hard :)
[02:11] <tuxJr_14> can anyone show me the linux kernel's version.h file? I messed up the source and fuse is giving me errors
[02:12] <kezz> tuxJr_14, should be able to get it on kernel.org
[02:12] <zAo^> this is mine:
[02:12] <zAo^> zao@amd:~$ more /usr/include/linux/version.h
[02:12] <zAo^> #define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.0-test7"
[02:12] <zAo^> #define LINUX_VERSION_CODE 132608
[02:12] <zAo^> #define KERNEL_VERSION(a,b,c) (((a) << 16) + ((b) << 8) + (c))
[02:12] <tuxJr_14> zAo^: thanks
[02:13] <tuxJr_14> kezz: they dont have the untarred ones up there
[02:14] <tuxJr_14> errr..... LINUX_VERSION_CODE? cant modify that one to suit mine :-P
[02:14] <kezz> what did you modify?
[02:15] <tuxJr_14> kezz: actually, i used an unofficial patch of something and then it gave errors about the version so i deleted version.h
[02:18] <rsacherer> the z-index .... if i have a <a> tag with a zindex behind other stuff, is the link still clickable?
[02:20] <zAo^> How can I transfer files form my linux box to my XBOX? LFTP does not seem to work
[02:21] <Qerub> How can I disable the device icons on the desktop_
[02:23] <kent> Qerub, in gconf-editor.  Its in the menu somewhere (though the name in the menu is diffrent, i think its called configuration editor or something like that in english)
[02:23] <kent> Qerub, but you will have to find the option to enable in that register, its kind of hard.
[02:23] <srid> is kde available in warty? .. or at least in the repository?
[02:23] <zombics> ther is a pack of stuff i need to download to be able to compile on ubuntu?
[02:25] <kezz> zombics, sudo apt-get build-essential
[02:25] <zombics> kezz, thx :)
[02:25] <kezz> srid, kde is in the universe repositories
[02:25] <srid> hmmm
[02:26] <kezz> you'll need to uncomment them in /etc/apt/sources.list as root
[02:26] <zombics> kezz, you ment sudo apt-get install uild-essential right?
[02:26] <kezz> build-essential
[02:26] <kezz> yeah sorry
[02:26] <kezz> my bad
[02:26] <zombics> np...
[02:26] <zombics> thx :)
[02:27] <Qerub> kent: Yeah, I know it's gconf-edtitor... But I can't find it.
[02:27] <kent> Qerub, wait a sec and il check
[02:27] <Qerub> kent: Thanks!
[02:28] <the--dud> i must say, linux is quite the brilliant dvd creation kit
[02:28] <the--dud> once you get your codecs and formats and helper apps sorted that is
[02:28] <the--dud> it all comes down to proper memory and disk management i suppose
[02:28] <zombics> everytimg in linux is like  that :> after its working good you cant go back
[02:29] <the--dud> yeah, i usually say; when everything is working, its the best thing in the world. but when something goes wrong, you're in hell
[02:29] <the--dud> if everything works, any half-brained newbie can use linux
[02:30] <the--dud> its when something goes wrong the geek has to step in
[02:30] <the--dud> in my views, thats the achilles heel of linux at the moment
[02:30] <the--dud> the last thing that prevents it from conquering the desktop market you know?
[02:30] <nevyn> the--dud: how is this different from windows?
[02:31] <Qerub> kent: apps/nautilus/desktop
[02:31] <Qerub> kent: it seems
[02:31] <kent> Qerub, its Apps->nautilus->desktop   in gconf.
[02:31] <kent> Quest-Master, yes :)
[02:31] <the--dud> nevyn, windows tries to hide all the things that goes wrong
[02:31] <nevyn> the--dud: which leads to it's own problems.
[02:31] <Qerub> kent: cheers
[02:32] <the--dud> yeah
[02:32] <nevyn> I'd rather hear about it if theres a problem than have it hidden from me and realise that the data I thought I had no longer exists.
[02:32] <the--dud> but even so, one rarely has to pull out the command line to fix something in windows
[02:32] <the--dud> dont get me wrong here, ive used linux for close to 4 years
[02:32] <the--dud> linux >> *
[02:33] <the--dud> but still, for linux to take over the market... it needs to have a bit more friendly way of tackling the unexpected
[02:33] <KingNato> Is there an ant package in ubuntu? All I can find is libant package, but they don't provide /usr/bin/ant
[02:33] <the--dud> its getting closer with each new distrobution tho, isnt it
[02:34] <zombics> when i am trying to compile a theme for kde i geet this error "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!"
[02:35] <ycco> anyone here know what "Group 0" means in the DRI section of XF86Config file?
[02:35] <bob2> zombics: install build-essential and xlibs-dev
[02:36] <nevyn> KingNato: it might be in universe?
[02:36] <KingNato> nevyn: I have both universe and multiverse in my sources.list
[02:37] <zombics> bob2, ok :) thx
[02:37] <ycco> bob2 finally get ubuntu installed on my Dell inspiron 7500 (it was the CDrom that was having problems)  Now battling with X.  crimsun and nomasteryoda tried to help me last night to no avail.
[02:37] <ycco> I get the ubuntu drum sound when gdm starts  but I simply have a black screen
[02:37] <nevyn> KingNato: I have an "ant" package here on debian sid.
[02:38] <the--dud> ycco, did you try installing xorg, and using xorgconf?
[02:38] <bob2> the--dud: how would that help?
[02:38] <bob2> ycco: can you switch to a terminal?
[02:38] <the--dud> at least with xorgconf you can fine tune the configuration down to the last pixel
[02:39] <zombics> bob2, i nee to install something with QT? coz it told me "onfigure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!"
[02:39] <KingNato> Hmm, lots of Java stuff seems to exist only as source in ubuntu
[02:39] <bob2> zombics: libt3-mt-dev
[02:40] <ycco> bob2 yah, I'm in terminal now.
[02:40] <zombics> bob2, cant find it
[02:40] <zombics> E: Couldn't find package libt3-mt-dev
[02:40] <ycco> the--dud that's for hoary I think I told you that last night :)
[02:41] <bob2> zombics: libqt3-mt-dev
[02:41] <ycco> bob2 let me spit XF86Config and XFree86.0.log to pastebin
[02:41] <bob2> ycco: anything interesting in /var/log/XFree86.0.log?
[02:41] <zombics> bob2, thx :)
[02:41] <bob2> ycco: it'd be better to send that to the user list
[02:42] <ycco> bob2 I'm sorta a fish out of water in console.  I can't seem to get anything done without X.
[02:43] <zombics> now this is the error: "checking for KDE... configure: error:in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.So, check this please and use another prefix!"
[02:44] <bob2> kdelibs4-dev
[02:45] <bob2> this theme had better show the face of god for the amount of pain you're going through to get it
[02:45] <zombics> lol yea.....
[02:46] <ycco> bob2 heh
[02:46] <newsbunny> Hi - I have an Intel 82801BA chipset onboard sound card which seems to be properly detected, but all sound apps seem to think there are no mixer devices present. I followed most of the suggestions I could find to no avail. Help is most welcome... :)
[02:46] <ycco> I remember an old "hand of God" theme
[02:46] <ycco> *chuckle*
[02:47] <ycco> newsbunny laptop?
[02:47] <newsbunny> ycco - Intel Desktop board
[02:47] <newsbunny> not sure which model
[02:47] <ycco> newsbunny ahh...
[02:47] <ycco> was thinking there might be something going on in the bios.
[02:48] <ycco> newsbunny I'd search google.com/linux  and look for: Intel 82801BA chipset
[02:48] <newsbunny> If it's disabled in the BIOS would lspci still list it?
[02:48] <ycco> newsbunny and see what you turn up.
[02:48] <ycco> newsbunny not really sure... do the google search ...   /me checks too
[02:48] <newsbunny> thanks
[02:49] <zombics> newsbunny, no. if its disabled in bios its like you took the sound card out .
[02:50] <zombics> i hate this@#_$
[02:50] <zombics> /usr/share/qt3/bin/uic -L /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/designer -nounload -o configdialog.h ./configdialog.ui
[02:50] <zombics> uic: File generated with too recent version of Qt Designer (3.3 vs. 3.2.3)
[02:50] <zombics> :<
[02:51] <ycco> newsbunny I'm in console (my X isn't working :(   So It's really hard to browse the web in lynx or links
[02:51] <ycco> newsbunny good luck to you.
[02:51] <zombics> i like it :)
[02:51] <ycco> wish I knew how to get high res @ the console.
[02:52] <zombics> what the problem with the X?
[02:52] <ycco> bob2 anything I can apt-get install or dpkg-reconfigure to easily change my console res?
[02:52] <ycco> zombics sec...
[02:52] <ycco> http://pastebin.com/223966
[02:52] <ycco> http://pastebin.com/223965
[02:53] <ycco> one is my XF86Config file  and the other is my XFree86.0.log file
[02:54] <ycco> I type /etc/init.d/gdm start   and "X" starts... and I get a black screen.  I _DO_ hear the ubuntu drum sounds though you normally get when gdm starts.  which is odd.
[02:54] <ycco> This laptop worked fine @1400x1050 under Fedora Core 1.0
[02:55] <ycco> I even have the old working XF86Config file from FC1:  http://occy.net/tmp/
[02:55] <kent> ycco, perhaps you have choosen an resolution that the display cant view.  Try to set the resolution to a lower one?
[02:56] <ycco> kent heh, read above...
[02:57] <kent> ycco, about it working in fedora?  perhaps its not realy 100% the same settings now?  im no expert, but if the settings or not the same as on fedora, then i guess it might fail..
[02:57] <ycco> I have tried 640 @ 8bpp and still does the same thing.
[02:57] <kent> ycco, ok..  sad :(
[02:58] <zombics> try to install the ati new driver...
[02:58] <zombics> fglrx if i remember right
[02:58] <ycco> zombics new ati driver?
[02:58] <zombics> the ones that give you the 3D acc...
[03:00] <zombics> hmmm dont remember dint use ATI from the time i used mdk 9 :O
[03:01] <ycco> :/
[03:01] <ycco> simply worked out of the box with Fedora Core 1.0.  I wouldn't see why there would be a problem.
[03:02] <ycco> I wonder what they are doing to get it to work where it won't on Ubuntu.
[03:03] <ray__> I've just managed to intall Ubuntu, how do i get it to start up in terminal mode?
[03:04] <zombics> coz here the auto config dint work 4 me 2 :P
[03:04] <ogra> ycco: looks like a typical hoary bug
[03:04] <ycco> ogra Cool, but I'm on warty.
[03:04] <ycco> heh
[03:04] <ogra> ycco: with all the standard packages ?
[03:04] <ycco> yah
[03:04] <ogra> ycco: no extra repos ?
[03:04] <ycco> haven't done anything... haven't been able to do anthying.... X no workie :)
[03:05] <zombics> when i try to compile a theme i get this error:
[03:05] <Quest-Master> ycco: You probably had a bad CD
[03:05] <ycco> ogra well, if Universe is considered "extra" ok...
[03:05] <zombics> /usr/share/qt3/bin/uic -L /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/designer -nounload -o about.h ./about.uiuic: File generated with too recent version of Qt Designer (3.3 vs. 3.2.3)
[03:05] <ogra> ycco: nope...univerfse is ok
[03:05] <ycco> Quest-Master heh, that's silly
[03:05] <Quest-Master> ycco: It happened to me once. ;)
[03:05] <ycco> too many people seem to say "Bad CD" to cover everything.
[03:05] <ycco>  can't get mail working... "Oh, you probably had a bad CD"
[03:05] <ogra> ycco: but some ppl mix hoary and warty (which is bad) or warty and debian sid (which is really evil)
[03:05] <ycco> hehe
[03:06] <Quest-Master> Well I had the exact same case. X wasn't apparently installed, and it turned out to a bad CD. :\
[03:06] <Quest-Master> I haven't said that about any other case though. :P
[03:06] <ycco> ogra hey... know how I can get console in high res?  (so it'll help with browsing in console)
[03:06] <Quest-Master> Was X ever working in the past?
[03:06] <kezz> zombics, i believe the kde in warty is only 3.2.3 so it only provides 3.2.3 libs
[03:06] <ycco> Quest-Master yes, on this laptop under RH 8/9 FC1 for years @ 1400x1050
[03:07] <ogra> ycco: on boot hit escape.....then edit the kernel boot line.... vga=791 gives you 1024x768@256
[03:07] <zombics> kezz, so what i need to do? :O
[03:07] <ycco> I have tried 640 @ 8bpp and no luck
[03:07] <kezz> zombics, you need kde 3.3
[03:07] <Quest-Master> ogra: Is there any way possible to resize an ext3 partition? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10112
[03:07] <kezz> whats hoary's version?
[03:07] <afonit> does anyone know of a program that can open a multiple page tiff file on linux/ubuntu?  I don't know which one would do it on windows but on the mac their 'preview' app does it
[03:07] <ycco> ogra ahhh ok.
[03:07] <ogra> kezz: the release date
[03:07] <ogra> kezz: 05.04
[03:07] <ycco> let me try that.  I'll be back in a bit guys.
[03:08] <zombics> kezz, ubuntu sources dont have it yet right?
[03:08] <kezz> ogra, no i meant what version of kde does it currently have
[03:08] <kezz> zombics, no i don't think so you could try editing the files with qt-designer to see if its just a version stamp issue
[03:08] <ogra> kezz: oh, no idea, i dont use kde ;)
[03:08] <kezz> ogra me neither
[03:08] <ogra> kezz: but i think i heard roumors about 3.3
[03:09] <kezz> zombics,  in that case you could upgrade to hoary if you really need this app to work, but to be honest i'd look for an alternative
[03:10] <ogra> Quest-Master: sorry i dont know how to get this work....but you really should consider a LVM installation for your next linx ;)
[03:10] <ogra> linux even
[03:10] <lonewolff> i have fixed the dns issue, but does anyone know why i cannot install gnome themes?
[03:11] <kezz> Quest-Master, get the partition magic demo if you have windows on the box
[03:13] <feAR`> hey,there was a bootsplash in live cd, then i installed ubuntu ;( it`s gone.
[03:13] <feAR`> ;] 
[03:14] <feAR`> do i need patch kernel and so on? or just to get theme and run it ?
[03:14] <feAR`> ;] 
[03:14] <ogra> feAR: live and install are a bit different ... this will change in hoary
[03:14] <feAR`> ogra, in hoary, i`ll have bootsplash?
[03:14] <feAR`> x] 
[03:15] <ycco> ogra heh, where do I put the vga=791 again?  it didn't take.
[03:15] <ogra> feAR: nope, something better...bootsplash is crap
[03:15] <ycco> i did the e  on the kernel line  and put it in there at the end.
[03:15] <ogra> ycco: thats my kernel line: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash pci=noacpi vga=791
[03:16] <ycco> ogra maybe It didn't save or something.  Let me try again :)
[03:16] <ycco> bbiab
[03:16] <Ward> In which file can i put my wireless settings? I set them in /etc/pcmcia/network.opts, but it doesnt change the settings after a reboot pcmcia stop/start
[03:17] <ogra> Ward: /etc/network/interfaces or use the gui tool in your computer->system tools  menu
[03:17] <Ward> ogra: that 's for the IP settings, not the wireless ESSID/key/...
[03:18] <kurtw> j
[03:18] <ogra> Ward: nope...
[03:18] <Ward> oh
[03:18] <Ward> i'll try the GUI then :p
[03:19] <ogra> Ward: here is a example with WLAN settings: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper/
[03:19] <Ward> ok
[03:19] <Ward> tnx
[03:20] <feAR`> what is something better than bootsplash
[03:20] <feAR`> ?
[03:20] <ogra> feAR: usplash
[03:20] <feAR`> oh
[03:20] <ogra> feAR: the ubuntu bootsplash.....
[03:20] <feAR`> first time i heard about it ..
[03:20] <feAR`> ograohhh
[03:20] <ogra> feAR: search on the wiki
[03:20] <feAR`> okay then
[03:20] <feAR`> it`s what i want ;)
[03:20] <feAR`> thank you very much ogra.
[03:20] <ogra> :)
[03:21] <Ward> are there lm-sensors binaries/sources in ubuntu or should I compile it by myself?
[03:22] <ogra> Ward: its there....
[03:22] <ogra> Ward: in universe :)
[03:23] <krix> hey there.
[03:23] <krix> i'm using hoary and i got a small probelm with xorg :)
[03:23] <ogra> heh
[03:23] <krix> I uncommented the Load "glx" line in xorg config
[03:24] <krix> but in Xorg.log it says that:
[03:24] <Ward> ogra: oh ok
[03:24] <krix> Could not open module 'glx'
[03:24] <krix> Failed to load module "glx" (module doesn't exist, 0)
[03:24] <daniels> you're using the nvidia binary driver, aren't you?
[03:24] <krix> yep
[03:25] <ycco> w00p, figured it out ogra
[03:25] <daniels> known broken, watching the fixed version build now
[03:25] <daniels> will be in later today
[03:25] <ycco> how do I edit it so it's permanent?
[03:25] <krix> oh.
[03:25] <krix> any workaround for this ?
[03:25] <ycco> I did a locate grub.conf and couldn't find one.
[03:25] <ycco> also... I seem to have X in 640@8bpp now. heh
[03:25] <ogra> daniels: how about my little imac bug....if i understood you correctly its not fixed yet ?
[03:25] <krix> another question
[03:26] <krix> how can i prevent some modules to load at startup automatically ?
[03:26] <daniels> ogra: not yet; it's, um, difficult to solve
[03:26] <daniels> but i know how to solve it
[03:26] <krix> i want to "disable" the snd_81xm module (modem sound driver)
[03:26] <ogra> daniels: keep in mid that this is a special edition...
[03:26] <krix> any modules.skip file or something else ?
[03:26] <daniels> ogra: yeah, it's typical apple breakage though
[03:26] <ogra> daniels: afaik the first imac that could do 1024x768.....
[03:26] <kezz> krix, maybe comment them out in modules.conf
[03:27] <krix> hmm
[03:27] <daniels> it's so broken it hurts
[03:27] <ogra> ycco: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:27] <kezz> krix, ive only been using ubuntu for 3 days so im not sure how it handles them
[03:27] <krix> kezz: comment out isn't working
[03:27] <ycco> ogra ahhh ok.
[03:27] <krix> because this module isn't in modules.conf:)
[03:27] <krix> any other idea ?
[03:27] <zombics> when i try to compile i get this error :<
[03:27] <zombics> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl
[03:28] <ycco> bawhahahahah
[03:28] <ycco> X works
[03:28] <ycco> wtf?????
[03:28] <ycco> I got X working at 1400x1050 @ 24bpp
[03:28] <ogra> kezz: ubuntu doesnt use modules.conf
[03:28] <ycco> all because I put in vga=791????
[03:28] <ogra> hmm
[03:28] <kezz> heh see thats what i was worried about
[03:28] <ycco> that sounds freakin' odd
[03:29] <ycco> but hey... what do I care?!?
[03:29] <ycco> :)
[03:29] <nevyn> ycco: not really
[03:29] <ogra> kezz: hotplug/udev and /etc/modules are the relevant places to look for module stuff ;)
[03:29] <zombics> no1? :/
[03:29] <ycco> w00p, /me does a dance and drinks a little water.
[03:29] <nevyn> ycco: lots of chipsets have dodgy mode-switching functionality.
[03:29] <ycco> nevyn hmmm
[03:29] <ycco> well, it works, so.... I'm a happy camper
[03:29] <ycco> whew.
[03:29] <ogra> :
[03:29] <ogra> )
[03:32] <ycco> bbiab... headed to X
[03:35] <Ward> hmm, and where can I find the mkdev.sh for lm-sensors ? :)
[03:36] <Cloudchaser> hmm this is very odd..i installed acroreader-plugin and restarted gnome with ctrl-alt-backspace now i have a blank black desktop
[03:36] <Cloudchaser> the top and bottom bars are there
[03:37] <ogra> seems nautilus got stuck......did you log out proper before hitting the keys ?
[03:37] <Cloudchaser> no
[03:37] <jmob> Have I broken my packages somehow? http://rafb.net/paste/results/icRwSD65.html
[03:37] <Cloudchaser> i'll try that ogra
[03:37] <Cloudchaser> brb
[03:37] <jmob> Seems all of the dev related X packages depend on 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu25 but I have 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu25.1 stuff installed.
[03:38] <ogra> jmob: is your universe enabled ?
[03:38] <daniels> jmob: how did ou manage to get 6ubuntu25.1?  where did you intall it from?
[03:38] <daniels> oh right, warty-security
[03:38] <jmob> ogra: yes
[03:38] <daniels> sorry, never mind me
[03:39] <ogra> daniels: wget does this too....if there is already ubuntu25 it assingns a .1 to the second one if you download manually....
[03:40] <ogra> hmm, but only at the end indeed ...so this would be .deb.1
[03:40] <daniels> ogra: but yeah, there was a 25.1
[03:40] <daniels> it was done for the xpm security issue
[03:40] <ogra> yup....i saw your msg....(was just to lazy to delete what i wrote before) :P
[03:41] <ycco> in X
[03:41] <ycco> whew.
[03:41] <ycco> :)
[03:41] <ycco> my touchpad doesn't click though....   hmmm
[03:42] <Cloudchaser> had to restart
[03:43] <Cloudchaser> logging out and back in didn't work...
[03:43] <jmob> I'm running amd64, I put debian and Marillat's amd64 repos in my sources.list so I could install mplayer, but I -tried- to set up my apt_preferences so that only packages that were really needed would get dragged in from debian's amd64, so that might've caused the problem, but I'm getting the feeling now that it might not've been the problem and all the dev packages are just broken...
[03:43] <Cloudchaser> now to see if the plugin works
[03:43] <ogra> Cloudchaser: next time give your gnome session a chance to save itself before killing it with a gun ;)
[03:44] <Cloudchaser> so ctrl-alt-backspace isn't a good thing?
[03:44] <ogra> Cloudchaser: not if there are open apps .....
[03:44] <Cloudchaser> gotcha
[03:44] <ogra> jmob: you shouldnt mix debian with ubuntu.....
[03:44] <Cloudchaser> and tada! the plugin worked ;)
[03:45] <jmob> ogra: yes, I'm aware
[03:45] <ogra> jmob: for the worst case you could compile the packages from the debian source with ubuntu dependencys
[03:45] <jmob> ogra: however, there were serveral packages that weren't present anywhere on ubuntu, afaict
[03:46] <ogra> jmob: mplayer for example is in multiverse....what else did you miss ?
[03:47] <jmob> ogra: I'm probably just mistaken, I don't think I had multiverse in my sources.list at the time.
[03:48] <ogra> jmob: ubuntu is a 100% sync from sid....even if some packages dont build, you will still have 99% of them available ;)
[03:48] <ogra> so no need for debian sources ;)
[03:49] <jmob> ogra: Yes, it seems like mixing the two will eventually cause very bad dependancy problems.
[03:49] <ogra> yup
[03:49] <ogra> especially since the upstream freeze for hoary is today....
[03:50] <ogra> so they will start to drift apart from now on
[03:50] <jmob> So... should I report a bug, or assume I fubar'ed things?
[03:50] <ogra> jmob: a bug ? about what ?
[03:50] <jmob> ogra: I can't install any dev packages, my orginal question :)
[03:51] <jmob> ogra: any dev packages related to X at least
[03:51] <ogra> jmob: its clearly not supported to mix the distros....
[03:51] <jmob> ogra: yes, but I don't think that caused the problem
[03:51] <ogra> jmob: so what app do you want to blame for that ?
[03:51] <jmob> ogra: eh?
[03:52] <ogra> jmob: if you got a bug you need to assign it to an app....so you want to blame apt/synaptic for mixing up your repo lists ?
[03:52] <superted> isn't it supposed to be possible to choose both POP or POP3 server at the incoming mail options in evo 2.0.2 ?
[03:53] <ogra> superted: yup, it is....i use it here ....
[03:53] <dabaslon> +-both POP or POP3 :)
[03:53] <krix> hm a question :) if i want to create a l10n package for openoffice then in small story what i need to do ?
[03:53] <krix> i want to contribure openoffice-l10n-hu package for my desktop and other ppls :)
[03:53] <superted> ogra: i thought so too. but i only have "POP" in my list among others
[03:53] <ogra> krix: start with buying a HUGE machine ;)
[03:53] <krix> (i already builded many debian packages)
[03:54] <superted> and it doesn't seem to work with my mail server
[03:54] <krix> ogra: that isn't a problem ;)
[03:54] <krix> i got a Dual Xeon with 4gig ram :)
[03:54] <jmob> ogra: Not exactly! I think all the dev packages need to be updated to reflect the version change from 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu25 to 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu25.1
[03:54] <krix> so btw. i asking the "way of build an ubuntu package"
[03:54] <krix> but not how we build debian packages with dpkg.
[03:54] <krix> :)
[03:54] <ogra> superted: here is only pop too...so it obviously is the pop3 proto
[03:55] <Ward> can you install debian packages without a problem in ubuntu? I want the development version of fluxbox, but ubuntu only has the stable ones
[03:55] <ogra> krix: as you build debian packages...the tools are the same ;)
[03:56] <krix> ogra: or where can i send some email or anything to somebody make an officially openoffice-l10n-hu package ?
[03:56] <ogra> krix: your distribution version should contain something like -ubuntu1
[03:56] <krix> i mean some "whislist" or some package request
[03:56] <krix> ubuntu1
[03:56] <ogra> krix: the ubuntu-develmailing list would be fine i think
[03:56] <krix> some docs about releasnumbering policy ?
[03:57] <ogra> krix: not to my knowledge, but if something official exists it will be in the wiki
[03:57] <krix> okay. i will see
[03:57] <krix> thx.
[03:58] <randabis> yum fried potatoes
[03:58] <ogra> krix: and see if you can get a quad xeon with 8gig ....its twice as fast *g*
[03:58] <krix> lol
[03:58] <krix> that is too much price for me :P :)
[03:59] <randabis> I'd go for a double quad opteron :p
[03:59] <ogra> heh
[03:59] <superted> ogra: proto?
[03:59] <ogra> col
[03:59] <ogra> superted: protocol
[04:14] <randabis> quitters never win!
[04:14] <randabis> :p
[04:25] <kurtw> Anyone know of a resource for PHP5?
[04:38] <SmokingFire> Do you know a good cross platform (gnome and windows) widget set for python?
[04:38] <SmokingFire> I want to learn python and do some personal tools with it but I need to use them under windows and ubuntu
[04:39] <dud> wxwidgets?
[04:39] <ZzeCoOl> under windows
[04:39] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[04:39] <SmokingFire> yeah I know of wxwidgets. I just wanted to know what other people think
[04:40] <mjr> wxwidgets might provide better windows integration, but I'll toss straight gtk into the fray anyway
[04:40] <SmokingFire> there is also pyGTK but it doesn't have a native look and feel on windows I think.
[04:40] <mjr> gtk works on windows too, and I've coded it with python, and it wasn't bad
[04:40] <dud> qt has python bindings doesnt it?
[04:41] <SmokingFire> I'm using winGAIM right now, although it works great, the look and feel is not win32
[04:41] <jul-le> has anybody got the same error on amule? ERROR: zlib MUST be used, not only advertized.
[04:41] <mjr> SmokingFire, well, there's gtk-wimp, which uses the windows theme apis for its look
[04:41] <mjr> http://gtk-wimp.sourceforge.net/
[04:41] <mjr> I think it's even integrated on new gtk versions
[04:41] <SmokingFire> dud: I hear/read great stuff about QT but two things. I want to do gnome applications and I hear the free (GPL) version for windows is outdated.
[04:41] <mjr> (though that might've been only development versions)
[04:42] <mjr> actually, there is no free Qt for Windows
[04:42] <mjr> (IIRC)
[04:42] <dud> the libraries for win is free arent they?
[04:42] <mjr> anyway, if you want to do a gnome app, then I do recommend straight GTK
[04:42] <mjr> (with gnome stuff added in for optional usage)
[04:43] <SmokingFire> mjr: I thought there was a free (for GPL apps) version of QT but really outdated
[04:43] <SmokingFire> mjr: however  GTK-Wimp looks nice and I will have a closer look at it.
[04:43] <mjr> dud, not free as in libre, IIRC
[04:44] <mjr> might've been free beer
[04:44] <dud> i believe its something similar to the mysql lisense
[04:44] <dud> so ive heard...
[04:44] <dud> mmm, beer
[04:44] <dud> i seriously need to drunk loads of beer this weekend
[04:44] <mjr> ah, yes, there it was on the gtk-wimp front page: "GTK-Wimp integrated into GTK+ (Tuesday, 31 August 2004)" :)
[04:45] <dud> had this strong urge ever since new years eve
[04:45] <dud> ive been sticking to whisky lately when i go out, but i crave beer now...
[04:45] <dud> good old plain simple beer
[04:45] <apes> anyone know how to disable the volume icon that appears on the Gnome desktop when you mount something?
[04:46] <apes> if i mount my ntfs partition, i get a disk icon on the desktop
[04:46] <ZzeCoOl> it happens with the cd roms or dvd roms too
[04:46] <SmokingFire> apes: you can create a shortcut
[04:46] <apes> yeah, there is a way to disable it
[04:46] <apes> i have dopne it before
[04:46] <ZzeCoOl> i dont know :(
[04:47] <mjr> gconf: /apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible
[04:47] <apes> how about how to disable the security warnings when trying to play like and AVI file and Gnome says "this in an asf file, please check for security before opening this file"
[04:47] <mjr> use gconf-editor to toggle that
[04:48] <apes> mjr, yeah i cant find the option in gconf
[04:48] <El_Che> is a sound problem known when scrolling in gnome2.8 or in firefox?
[04:48] <El_Che> mp3 keep playing, but some noice is added
[04:48] <mjr> hmh, well, that's what it should be
[04:48] <apes> mjr, got it
[04:48] <superted> does anyone know when evo 2.0.3 will hit warty?
[04:48] <apes> apps -> nautilus -> desktop -> volumes_visible
[04:48] <apes> :-)
[04:49] <mjr> apes, yes, that's what I said ;)
[04:49] <ZzeCoOl> superted: thunderbird rocks betters
[04:49] <stvn> superted: never, most likely
[04:50] <apes> ZzeCoOl, thunderbird does not have calendar
[04:50] <stvn> superted: warty won't get any updates other than security related ones
[04:51] <apes> ZzeCoOl, i think the new mozilla proect will address that issue
[04:51] <ZzeCoOl> i see
[04:51] <apes> anyone know how to disable that dumb Gnome file open security warning?
[04:51] <ZzeCoOl> i dont use calendar so... thunderbird  is the best for me ....
[04:51] <andi__> how can i setup grub, to boot automatically windows not linux?
[04:52] <dud> andi_, traitor hehe :P
[04:52] <superted> stvn: until, march, may?
[04:52] <apes> andi_
[04:52] <apes> andi_
[04:52] <apes> andi__, default
[04:53] <apes> andi__, who needs winodws anymore??!?!
[04:53] <stvn> superted: i got evo 2.1.2 here, in hoary
[04:53] <superted> stvn: yeah i know. but hoary got to unstable for me :\
[04:53] <stvn> superted: than you've to wait untill march
[04:53] <stvn> superted: or at least untill the first RCs
[04:54] <superted> stvn: ok
[04:54] <dud> sunbird could be a nice calendar application
[04:54] <dud> hopefully
[04:54] <apes> yeah sunburd, thats it
[04:54] <dud> but its in such an early stage...
[04:54] <apes> well, with mozilla history im happy
[04:54] <dud> yeah
[04:55] <gaea> Hi . . . I'm wondering if anyone else made the mistake of installing a firefox backport, followed by the inability to run firefox unless su'd, due to a JacaPluginFactory5 error.  I changed my apt sources from warty to hoary and removed the backport sources entry, then removed and reinstalled firefox, but no change. :-(
[04:56] <gaea> The error I'm getting is:
[04:56] <gaea> $ firefox
[04:56] <gaea>  reg - nsGMNotifierProgressListener
[04:56] <gaea> INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: JavaPluginFactory5 init - no agent?
[04:56] <gaea> System error?:: No such file or directory
[04:59] <apes> #gnome
[05:00] <trukulo> anyone with problems in pbuilder with sid ?
[05:04] <ycco> hmmm
[05:04] <ycco> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/5/2004/10/3/240707
[05:05] <pybe> finally got the net install going on my laptop without any pxe stuff! Ubuntu here we come!
[05:05] <krix> hmhm
[05:06] <krix> when hoary xorg fixed packages will be available ?
[05:06] <ycco> can't seem to get the touch pad working.
[05:06] <krix> (glx module fix)
[05:06] <krix> anybody knows ?
[05:06] <pybe> ycco: which pad is it?
[05:06] <ycco> pybe: it is built into my Dell Inspiron 7500 laptop
[05:06] <stvn> krix: what vidcard?
[05:07] <stvn> krix: i'm not aware of any xorg glx problems here
[05:07] <pybe> ycco: should be synaptic i think
[05:07] <pybe> ycco: does it not work at all?
[05:07] <ycco> pybe: here is what I added to my menu.lst
[05:07] <pybe> ycco: that will be dealt with by xfree config
[05:07] <ycco> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-4-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash vga=791 psmouse.proto=imps
[05:08] <ycco> pybe: it moves the mouse.... but doesn't allow you to "click"
[05:08] <ycco> as it did under Fedora Core 1.0
[05:08] <krix> nvidia
[05:08] <krix> stvn : nvidia binary drivers vs xorg glx module :)
[05:08] <krix> xorg can not load glx module. It say No such module "glx"
[05:08] <krix> :)
[05:08] <pybe> ycco: thats set in the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 under the mouse settings
[05:08] <stvn> ah, no nvidia here, so i wouldn't know
[05:09] <krix> hm
[05:09] <krix> i thought this is a base probelm with xorg
[05:09] <krix> not just nvidia related
[05:09] <stvn> krix: you got an url of the description/bugreport
[05:09] <krix> stvn: no
[05:10] <krix> this is my problem :) somebody said that this is a know problem
[05:10] <krix> and it will be fixed today at somethimes
[05:10] <stvn> :)
[05:10] <krix> brb. go to xchat
[05:10] <stvn> krix: ah ok, well update to the latest en greatest and try it ;)
[05:10] <pybe> ycco: do dmesg | grep Synaptics and see if anything comes up
[05:10] <ycco> k
[05:11] <ycco> Synaptics Touchpad, model: 1
[05:11] <ycco> input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad on isa0060/serio1
[05:11] <krix> re
[05:11] <krix> so anybody knows ? :)
[05:12] <etites> still witht he backward names eh?
[05:12] <ycco> etites: heh
[05:12] <pybe> ycco: do grep synaptics /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[05:12] <ycco> etites: logged in as occy already
[05:12] <ycco> root@distance:~ # cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |grep Synap
[05:12] <ycco> root@distance:~ #
[05:12] <etites> awesome
[05:13] <etites> im so bored now
[05:13] <etites> hehe there nothign to do on linux
[05:13] <pybe> ycco: try lowercase s
[05:13] <etites> not that there was on windows... but still
[05:13] <ycco> no love
[05:13] <etites> i tried running ut2003 linux demo
[05:13] <ycco> pybe: didn't work that way either.  (didn't find anything)
[05:13] <etites> it keeps dropping me to desktop and random points without errors
[05:14] <pybe> ycco: this link should help you out, you need the synaptics driver and some settings in the XFREE Conf http://madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=887
[05:14] <apes> can someone tell me to to disable the gnome file open security warnings?
[05:14] <ycco> pybe: k, I'll read.
[05:15] <ycco> pybe: sites not resolving.
[05:15] <pe7er> er. sorry, quick question, i "accidently" typed dpkg-reconfigure -a in the shell -- if i abort it with ctrl-c, will anything break?
[05:16] <pybe> ycco: never mind i think is apt-get-able
[05:16] <srbaker> pe7er, probably not
[05:16] <pe7er> srbaker, thank you
[05:16] <pe7er> %(
[05:17] <srbaker> pe7er, what's wrong with just letting it go?
[05:17] <srbaker> pe7er, keep hitting <enter>  it'll have whatever you selected the first time as default :)
[05:17] <pe7er> yes?
[05:17] <pe7er> really?
[05:17] <pe7er> oh let me hug and kiss some devs now
[05:18] <kurtw> Anyone know of a resource for PHP5?
[05:21] <feAR`> how to create an icon/link to My Computer on Ubuntu? x] ] 
[05:21] <feAR`> on Desktop i mean x] 
[05:22] <Poprocks> just drag it from the menu to the desktop
[05:22] <kent> feAR`, in gconf-editor (its in Program->system tools  - called something else there though, something with edit in the name).  Tell me if you find that program and il help you from there.
[05:23] <feAR`> i`m there ;p
[05:23] <feAR`> as i see, it`s ubuntu patch :}}
[05:23] <feAR`> kent, ok
[05:23] <kent> feAR`, then go to apps->nautilus->desktop  and enable the right icons.
[05:24] <feAR`> ok thanks
[05:24] <kent> feAR`, do you understand?  :)
[05:24] <feAR`> i know what`s next
[05:24] <feAR`> x] 
[05:24] <feAR`> thanks.
[05:24] <etites> is there a stylexp thing for gnome?
[05:25] <pybe> etites: themes
[05:25] <etites> yea....
[05:25] <krix> hm
[05:25] <etites> but how good are they
[05:25] <pybe> etites: vgood
[05:25] <krix> anybody got problems with evolution 2.1 in hoary ?
[05:25] <kent> etites, you meen themes that looks like xp? yes. Look at art.gnome.org and  gnome-look.org
[05:25] <krix> i setup my email account
[05:25] <krix> hit to send&recive
[05:25] <etites> like on style xp they morphed everything... i had my windows looking like a mac
[05:25] <krix> and no mail arriving.
[05:25] <etites> not like xp
[05:25] <etites> no
[05:25] <krix> authenticate well but no mail
[05:25] <etites> just something cool
[05:25] <krix> :)
[05:25] <etites> vampiric if possible
[05:26] <kent> etites, those sites have lots of themes.
[05:27] <etites> GDM themes?
[05:28] <kent> etites, yes. gdm etc.
[05:28] <Seabook> Hi guys.
[05:29] <AndyFitz> hi Seabook
[05:29] <Seabook> Is there a URL from which I can check Ubuntu's apt list from the web browser?
[05:31] <etites> does gdm mean login screen because thats all im seeing
[05:31] <etites> is login screens
[05:32] <superted> Seabook: do you mean to browse the repositories?
[05:32] <RuffianSoldier> put in the address of the repos in browser address ba?
[05:32] <Seabook> cuz I'm at school now and I don't have access to my Ubuntu box.
[05:32] <superted> Seabook: then do like RuffianSoldier said
[05:32] <Seabook> What's the address? :D
[05:32] <superted> ubuntuguide.org
[05:32] <ycco> pybe: yeah, that didn't seem to do it.  :/
[05:32] <superted> has them
[05:32] <TopDog> This is a stupid question I know, but I'm used to RPM based distro's... when I download a .deb file manually, how do I install it?
[05:32] <AndyFitz> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/screenshot.jpg  - gimping it up in ubuntu  :P
[05:32] <Potaje> wenas
[05:32] <RuffianSoldier> The page cannot be found
[05:32] <RuffianSoldier>  The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
[05:32] <superted> AndyFitz: nice :)
[05:32] <kent> TopDog,   dpkg -i PackageName
[05:32] <TopDog> kent, thanks... any way to add a folder to Synaptic?
[05:33] <AndyFitz> cheers superted.  I've gotta head off to sleep now ciao
[05:33] <etites> do the themes alter just login screen... or do they alter everything
[05:33] <superted> what's the name of the pacakge that the updates wallpapers comes with?
[05:33] <kent> TopDog, well, i dont know that right now. But there is probably a howto on the ubuntu homepage for that
[05:33] <TopDog> superted, "ubuntu-calendar"
[05:33] <superted> TopDog: thanks
[05:36] <superted> TopDog: doesn't december exist?
[05:36] <kent> etites, the gdm-theme changes gdm,  gtk+-themes changes applications,  etc. There is probably information about that on the pages.
[05:36] <TopDog> superted, did in desember at least.
[05:36] <Seabook> Is there GnuCash in Ubuntu's apt repositories?
[05:40] <RuffianSoldier> Sealbook - apt-cache search gnucash
[05:40] <RuffianSoldier> DOING!
[05:40] <etites> so i need gtk
[05:40] <etites> 1 or 2
[05:42] <RuffianSoldier> ..................
[05:42] <RuffianSoldier> get both....
[05:42] <etites> i dotn have it already?
[05:42] <RuffianSoldier> im sure you do
[05:43] <dud> ........................
[05:44] <etites> ...................
[05:47] <El_Che> any idea why there is noise when scrolling (AC97 card)
[05:48] <etites> ok i dont see a single theme i wasnt
[05:48] <etites> want*
[05:49] <etites> this sucks
[05:49] <dud> for further dottage, i'd reccomend perl -e 'while (1) { print ".";}'
[05:50] <RuffianSoldier> /name JumbaJibbaJo!
[05:50] <RuffianSoldier> ???
[05:50] <RuffianSoldier> OH!
[05:51] <MagicFab> Hi
[05:51] <dud> o hoi there sailor
[05:51] <JumbaJibbaJo> WHOAH
[05:51] <MagicFab> I need some help printing from Ubuntu to an HP printer shared from a WinXP machine
[05:51] <JumbaJibbaJo> talk about.................. nvm.............
[05:52] <JumbaJibbaJo> MagicFab - here is waht you do - boot into WinXP - then print it from there because Linux sucks
[05:52] <MagicFab> The tool in Computer | System COnfiguration | Printing doesn't seem to provide network browsing of Windows shared printers...
[05:54] <dud> you have to fiddle with samba to get your shared windows files and printers working afaik
[05:54] <Poprocks> yeah there seems to be a problem with ubuntu's samba client, or gnome-vfs.. either way it's really annoying
[05:55] <MagicFab> Pop: it's not even that it doesn't work, it's just that the included tool does not seem to provide for auto-discovery of networked printers
[05:55] <Poprocks> I see, I haven't even required that for my particular setup
[05:56] <Poprocks> but browsing network shares doesn't seem to work
[05:56] <MagicFab> I am able to browse the Windows shares in the network
[05:56] <Poprocks> oh
[05:56] <JumbaJibbaJo> i am not :-(
[05:56] <Poprocks> maybe it's just broken in hoary
[05:56] <MagicFab> via Computer | Network
[05:57] <Poprocks> MagicFab, for the printing thing, can't you just type it in?  That's what I usually have to end up doing in windows anyway
[05:57] <Poprocks> but if it doesn't include a network browser, it probably shoult
[05:57] <Poprocks> should*
[05:57] <MagicFab> I'd love to do that if I knew what to type in in the first place.
[05:57] <MagicFab> "Host" could be different things...
[05:57] <MagicFab> I see no help
[05:58] <Poprocks> I'm at school right now so I can't take a look
[05:58] <MagicFab> Under KDE it's pretty straight forward
[05:58] <Poprocks> yeah KDE's printing system is a lot better than gnome's imho
[05:58] <MagicFab> perhaps there's another tool for CUPS config via GUI ?
[05:59] <Poprocks> well my class is over, g2g :)
[05:59] <mjr> umm, yeah, that's not so much of a gnome thing but a CUPS thing
[05:59] <mjr> but yes, it should include a browser
[06:00] <MagicFab> mjr: that's what I meant... however the KDE desktops I've seen already integrate the CUPS config utils
[06:00] <MagicFab> just trying to explore this from a usability point of view
[06:00] <MagicFab> :D
[06:00] <mjr> yes, and your main point is quite well taken :)
[06:01] <mjr> (though irrelevant for me, no windows printer servers thankyouverymuch ;)
[06:02] <MagicFab> It just so happens that I am often at my customer's location (which still have lots of printers shared this way)
[06:02] <MagicFab> and it's the only way to print for me
[06:02] <mjr> yep
[06:02] <mjr> you probably have to succumb to checking the printer names with smbclient -L
[06:03] <mjr> was it ESR who actually wrote an article on how bad the CUPS config utility is recently
[06:03] <mjr> yeah, http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html
[06:03] <mjr> ok, not that recently :)
[06:04] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:04] <da_bon_bon> how do i change the mirrors that apt uses ?
[06:04] <mjr> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:04] <mjr> (there might be a way to do it from synaptic, but I wouldn't know about that)
[06:04] <da_bon_bon> mjr: ok.
[06:05] <MagicFab> I've also heard the GUEST account has to be active!
[06:05] <MagicFab> mjr: that's a start - not familiar with smbclient
[06:05] <MagicFab> I see it doesn't report the printer, but I get other info on the host
[06:06] <mjr> bugger
[06:07] <MagicFab> da_bon_bon: you also go to *Computer | System Configuration | Synaptic Package Manager*, and in Synaptic, choose *Settings | Repositories*
[06:07] <da_bon_bon> MagicFab: thank you...
[06:07] <MagicFab> da_bon_bon: from there you can activate existing repositories or add new ones
[06:07] <da_bon_bon> MagicFab: hmmm
[06:08] <MagicFab> da_bon_bon: both ways (editiing the file or goign through the GUI) require a password
[06:08] <ZzeCoOl> is thjere any way to setup ubuntu network to use a specific login name and password for a samba network?
[06:08] <da_bon_bon> MagicFab: i have sudo with NOPASSWD..
[06:09] <MagicFab> that works too
[06:09] <ZzeCoOl> i cant access windows shares with ubuntu network
[06:10] <izaac> did you alredy check the ubuntu guide?
[06:10] <ZzeCoOl> no?
[06:10] <MagicFab> ZzeCoOl: I remember that was possible with the linneighborhood package
[06:11] <ZzeCoOl> is there any giude for the network?
[06:11] <MagicFab> ZzeCoOl: let me try it, I have a related proble (with printers)
[06:11] <ZzeCoOl> ok
[06:11] <MagicFab> ZzeCoOl: I've been looking for that too
[06:11] <ZzeCoOl> im waiting
[06:11] <ZzeCoOl> i can access the share only with smbmount
[06:12] <MagicFab> linneighborhood package depends on smbfs which is used to mount Windows shares it seems
[06:12] <ZzeCoOl> but i want to make ubuntu network work to
[06:12] <MagicFab> (which can be used to set them up permanently, which I think is why it includes provision for saving password info, etc.)
[06:12] <jadawin> hi all
[06:13] <MagicFab> ZzeCoOl: for that you need to install Samba server
[06:13] <MagicFab> which is also available in the packages
[06:13] <MagicFab> either from Synaptic or from the command line with apt-get
[06:15] <ZzeCoOl> hmmm
[06:15] <MagicFab> ZzeCoOl: one you install the linneighborhood packe, you have to invoke LinNeighborhood from command line...
[06:16] <ZzeCoOl> i want to access windows shares from my linux box....and this one needs Samba server?
[06:16] <MagicFab> ZzeCoOl: yes
[06:16] <ZzeCoOl> sec
[06:16] <MagicFab> Samba provides networking services for shares to be used from Windows
[06:17] <ben_d> MagicFab: I thought you just could get by with smbfs
[06:18] <ZzeCoOl> ben_d: u can but Computer -> Network doesnt work
[06:18] <MagicFab> ben_d: not sure about that
[06:18] <ZzeCoOl> u have to mount anything you want manualy
[06:19] <ben_d> ZzeCoOl: ah ok, I mount everything out of scripts
[06:19] <ZzeCoOl> when you are mounting with scripts there is also a problem.....
[06:20] <ZzeCoOl> how can you setup a share that you have writing access?
[06:20] <ZzeCoOl> are you mounting them in your home dir?
[06:20] <MagicFab> ZzeCoOl: usually install the samba server
[06:20] <MagicFab> then edit its config file
[06:20] <ZzeCoOl> or at the /mnt/
[06:20] <MagicFab> Not sure about Ubuntu
[06:20] <ben_d> ZzeCoOl: I use smbmount with options for the correct user permissions
[06:21] <ZzeCoOl> ok
[06:21] <MagicFab> ben_d: Zze measn from a Windows machine (don't you) ?
[06:22] <ZzeCoOl> MagicFab: i mean from alinux machine
[06:22] <ZzeCoOl> MagicFab: i want to access windows shares from linux
[06:22] <ZzeCoOl> thats why i waz wondering about samba
[06:22] <MagicFab> Zze: why would you want to setup a SMB share from Linux to access from Linux ?
[06:23] <jadawin> is there a chan for ubuntu maintainer ?
[06:23] <MagicFab> (just curious)
[06:23] <ZzeCoOl> i said WINDOWS shares i never speak about smb shares
[06:24] <ZzeCoOl> windows shares =shares in a windows machine
[06:24] <ZzeCoOl> right?
[06:24] <kezz> doesn't nautilus do that?
[06:25] <ZzeCoOl> Computer->Network works in ubuntu only if the windows share is setuped to lgin as a guest
[06:25] <MagicFab> Zze: SMB share= Windows shares
[06:26] <kezz> smb is the protocol
[06:26] <MagicFab> exactly
[06:27] <MagicFab> Zze: not sure I got your question right from the start
[06:27] <ZzeCoOl> ok then now im siting infront of a pc with ubuntu ...and i want to broswe smb or windows share of another pc in my lan that have windows installed....but it wants username and password to login
[06:27] <ZzeCoOl> this is more clearly
[06:27] <MagicFab> ok
[06:27] <MagicFab> Is there a password setup for the user that is sharing its files ?
[06:28] <ZzeCoOl> if i try computer->network doesnt working
[06:28] <MagicFab> Usually if there is no password set up, I specifiy only the user name and no password
[06:28] <ZzeCoOl> there is a password setup
[06:28] <MagicFab> that is the first authentication asked in some cases
[06:29] <MagicFab> then if there is a password on specific shares, it's another level
[06:29] <bretzel> Is there any thing in ubuntu to play DVD movies ??? I installed all provided xine/maplyer stuff but no luck to play DVD ...
[06:29] <izaac> bretzel
[06:29] <MagicFab> well, enter the user and password of the Windows machine session
[06:29] <ZzeCoOl> i know the username and passwork and what im asking is if there is any way to make Computer->Network folder work
[06:29] <izaac> apt-get install libdvdcss2
[06:29] <MagicFab> ZzeCoOl: I know this can be setup permanently (with tools like linneighborhood) but haven't played much with that yet
[06:29] <bretzel> izaac: ? and what I am able to do with libdvdcss2 ?
[06:30] <ZzeCoOl> MagicFab: u mish the point about hat im talking about all this time
[06:30] <izaac> bretzel: to play protected DVDS
[06:30] <MagicFab> ZzeCoOl: do you at least see a "Windows Network" icon when entering Computer > Network ?
[06:30] <ZzeCoOl> yes
[06:30] <MagicFab> Then you're supposed to see the workgroup(s)...?
[06:30] <ZzeCoOl> i can also browse the share but only with the smbmount command
[06:31] <bretzel> cant get this pkg
[06:31] <ZzeCoOl> yes i can also see the workgroups
[06:32] <MagicFab> ZzeCoOl: I see... I have the same problem (but with printers)... and the properties dialogs in that browser don't help
[06:32] <bretzel> izaac: libdvdcss2 not in any ubuntu sources
[06:32] <izaac> try to add the marillat sources
[06:32] <ZzeCoOl> ...
[06:32] <MagicFab> I think nautilus has extensions for dealing with SMB...
[06:32] <ZzeCoOl> ok
[06:32] <MagicFab> let me see...
[06:33] <pybe-lappy> finally got some part of ubuntu installed on my laptop via hacked net install. x isnt right still. I am assuming that the window manager is not installed. What bits do i need to apt-get?
[06:34] <pybe-lappy> oh and whats the equivalent of rpm -q in debian?
[06:34] <mjr> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:34] <pybe-lappy> mjr: tks
[06:34] <MagicFab> ZzeCoOl: still there ?
[06:34] <bretzel> ixaac: ,arillat - no such source
[06:34] <MagicFab> ZzeCoOl: I see a package named gnome-vfs-extras
[06:34] <pybe-lappy> mjr: just a small amount of stuff =)
[06:35] <MagicFab> ZzeCoOl: which is described as:  a collection of gnome-vfs modules which allow you to
[06:35] <MagicFab> access files from different sources with programs which use gnome-vfs.
[06:35] <MagicFab> Right now, gnome-vfs-extras only contains an SMB module that allows you to
[06:35] <MagicFab> access Samba and Windows shares. This can be used within GNOME 1.x
[06:35] <MagicFab> applications which use gnome-vfs to access files.
[06:35] <pybe-lappy> whats the equiv of rpm for deb?
[06:36] <mjr> dpkg
[06:36] <mjr> MagicFab, that's for old gnome 1 stuff
[06:36] <bretzel>  izaac: marillat - no such source or wrong url...
[06:36] <MagicFab> yeah, mentions 1.x ... is there anything similar ?
[06:36] <MagicFab> for 2.x ...
[06:37] <izaac> use synaptic to add the sources
[06:37] <mjr> the gnome-vfs-2 smb module is in libgnomevfs2-common
[06:37] <pybe-lappy> mjr: tks again
[06:37] <Mestapheles> hello
[06:38] <bretzel> izaac: the url I taken and put in synaptic: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ distrib: warty, section:marillat - fails
[06:39] <Mestapheles> listen, I just did a check sum on a burner warty CD.  Shoudl it show the same checksum as the iso image I downloaded?  I don't have the same iso image anymore.
[06:40] <bretzel> sorry - I don't want to be annoying but can only play manually selected indivisual .VOB file from DVDs there is no dvd navigate interaction that is why I ask for the missing stuff...
[06:43] <izaac> bretzel: distrib is testing
[06:45] <GdCondor> hi
[06:45] <GdCondor> how can i install evolution 1.4 on ubuntu (and not 2.0)
[06:45] <kent> GdCondor, why do you want 1.4?
[06:46] <GdCondor> kent : i don't like 2.0
[06:46] <GdCondor> it's not possible to have a shortcut toolbar at the left of the screen...
[06:47] <kent> GdCondor, cant help you with that. Perhaps compile it from source then? or find some repository to add to synaptic that has evo 1.4.
[06:48] <bretzel> izaac: ah ok thx: I gonna retry
[06:50] <HarutoX> hihi
[06:51] <HarutoX> how i can download the servers for amule?
[06:51] <cosco> hello people.. can you tell me how to install radeon drivers on ubuntu linux?
[06:51] <HarutoX> how i can download the servers for amule?
[06:52] <pybe-lappy> HarutoX: there is a button at the top say update or something
[06:52] <HarutoX> oh ok
[06:52] <HarutoX> let em try
[06:52] <pybe-lappy> HarutoX: got a url in the box next to it irc
[06:53] <pybe-lappy> HarutoX: fyi amule didnt work 2 well for me if you have trouble try xmule instead
[06:53] <HarutoX> ty
[06:54] <HarutoX> i got servers now in amule
[06:54] <HarutoX> =)))))
[06:54] <HarutoX> ppl
[06:54] <HarutoX> i want to help all u
[06:55] <kezz> amule crashes when i connect
[06:55] <tazle> hmm
[06:55] <tazle> the ubuntu installer is playing gameswith me
[06:55] <tazle> for some reason I doesn't seem to like my partition tables
[06:56] <HarutoX> if it u havea problem here are a links for full howtoinstall all file:///home/haruto/Desktop/ubuntu/LO%20QUE%20YO%20KERIA.htm
[06:56] <tazle> it only shows one partition on my HDD, of type fat16 too
[06:56] <HarutoX> PPL THERE ARE THE BEST SUPPORT file:///home/haruto/Desktop/ubuntu/LO%20QUE%20YO%20KERIA.htm
[06:56] <HarutoX> REALLY
[06:56] <tazle> in reality there are multiple partitions, and cfdisk shows that too, when I start it in a shell
[06:56] <HarutoX> I DUN HAVE PROBLEM WITH MY UBUNTU
[06:57] <kent> HarutoX, are you kidding?  that support is on your computer and nobody here can fetch it. Its impossible. What are you talking about?
[06:58] <HarutoX> lol
[06:58] <tazle> ha!
[06:58] <HarutoX> just kidding
[06:58] <tazle> I knew it would be lol
[06:58] <HarutoX> here only have the Basic
[06:58] <kezz> tazle, that sounds weird
[06:58] <HarutoX> kent where are u from?
[07:00] <tazle> also, I can't skip the partition editor phase, it keeps throwing me back into it if I hit "Go back"
[07:03] <kent> HarutoX, sweden
[07:06] <ycco> crimsun: you about today?
[07:08] <ions> any particular reason audio CDs would fail to play on a default install?
[07:08] <DanielC> Hello. How do I configure mutimedia (e.g. MP3s, audio CDs) on a brand-new Ubuntu system?
[07:09] <ions> heh
[07:09] <ions> ok, I'm not the only one
[07:09] <DanielC> :-)
[07:09] <pe7er> hey, is there any help out there how i can bring my atmel chip based usb wlan adapter to life? i've found (& apt-get'd) the atmeldriver-source and atmeldriver-tools packages. plus i know of the existance of the 'inofficial driver' at berlios.de
[07:10] <pe7er> DanielC: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94 ... any help?
[07:10] <DanielC> pe7er: thanks, I'll take a look at it.
[07:10] <pe7er> (i haven't got that far as of yet, but did quite a few things as noted at ubuntuguide.org)
[07:10] <ogra> pe7er: doesnt the shipped atmel driver work for you ?
[07:11] <pe7er> oh. there is one?
[07:11] <ogra> DanielC: here is everything in one page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:11] <superted> im trying to install php5 but it depends on libmm11 and says it can't be installed. i got libmm13 installed so what is the problem?
[07:12] <kent> pe7er, that page seems a bit overload? I only added restriced to apt, and installed the gstreamer-plugin for format. And it worked. totem-xine will play movies aswell, no need to compile stuff.
[07:12] <DanielC> ogra: good good. Thanks!
[07:12] <ogra> pe7er: there ate atmel_cs, atmel_pci and atmel
[07:12] <ogra> are eveb
[07:12] <pe7er> how do i get a list of loaded drivers?
[07:12] <ogra> lsmod
[07:12] <kent> pe7er, lsmod
[07:12] <pe7er> thx :)
[07:13] <tazle> argh
[07:13] <tazle> stupid partition damager
[07:13] <ogra> pe7er: but i suspect the usb one needs the prism_usb driver
[07:13] <pe7er> lsmod|grep atmel = no output
[07:13] <kweller> hi guys,i know this it OT, but i was wondering if i could ask something about webhosting?(or is there a channel for it?)
[07:13] <pe7er> lsmod|grep prism = no output, too
[07:14] <ogra> pe7er: so just try to run: sudo modprobe prism2_usb
[07:15] <ogra> pe7er: and look at the last lines of dmesg
[07:15] <kweller> i'm confused on something.the host offers "Shared SSL",but i'm wondering if thats just for when i admin the site,or is it for secure transactions?
[07:15] <ogra> pe7er: try this util you found the right one ;)
[07:15] <ogra> until
[07:18] <pybe-lappy> got my laptop nearly completely working now, cant find the wifi card though. It gets picked up under fedora fine and used a orinoco driver (dell true mobile 1500 i think) its a mini pci card prism based. any ideas how to set it up? It did give me the option to use it on the net install so i know ubuntu knows its there.
[07:18] <feAR`> ogra,
[07:19] <feAR`> i was upgrading my system to hoary, and i get an error
[07:19] <feAR`> Fetched 462MB in 5h51m2s (21,9kB/s)
[07:19] <feAR`> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/libxtst6_6.8.1-1ubuntu8_i386.deb  Connection timed out
[07:19] <feAR`> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-sqlite/python2.4-sqlite_1.0-2ubuntu1_i386.deb  Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer)
[07:19] <feAR`> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/python-htmltmpl/python2.3-htmltmpl_1.22-5ubuntu1_all.deb  Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer)
[07:19] <feAR`> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[07:20] <feAR`> ok, i fixed by myself.
[07:21] <pybe-lappy> ok card info sees it as an Intersil PRISM2 11Mbps Wireless Adaptor. How do I set it up as a network device?
[07:22] <xhypno> Hello Room
[07:23] <pe7er> ogra: atmeldriver-tools brings an app called lvnet, its documentation reads "lvnet is the monitor utility for the ATMEL Wireless Card adapters. When the pcmcia module fastvnet_cs, the pci module  pcifvnet.o  or the usb module  vnetusba.o  is  loaded  the  lvnet  application can monitor the device's statistics or change it's runtime parameters." >> Looks good, but how can i load those .o files? it's not sudo modprobe vnetusba (did sudo modprobe -r
[07:23] <pe7er>  prism2_usb for safety)
[07:24] <pe7er> Hell xhypno
[07:24] <pe7er> Hello
[07:25] <pe7er> any idea, anyone? or a hint to a howto would be nice. but i haven't found anything ubuntu specific, plus any info i found seemed to be written for users with a way higher 'experience level' than i have
[07:27] <KING^^^> hello all , can someone help me with something , do i have to install my video card ? if yes how ?
[07:31] <ycco> http://occy.net/inspiron7500  <-- listing of my current problems with my Dell Inspiron 7500 and Ubuntu.
[07:31] <KING^^^> hello all , can someone help me with something , do i have to install my video card ? if yes how ?
[07:34] <fleece> anyone get a KVM working nicely with Ubuntu?
[07:45] <zerok> hi
[07:46] <zenwhen> hay
[07:46] <siretart> hi
[07:47] <siretart> how do I set environment variables for my gnome-session and all started applications?
[07:48] <pybe-lappy> getting this error orinoco_cs: RequestIRQ: Resource in use how can i free up an irq?
[07:51] <khadyoung> ATI is better than nVidia
[07:51] <Agrajag> what
[07:51] <khadyoung> I mean, nVidia is better than ATI
[07:51] <Agrajag> what
[07:52] <khadyoung> Sorry, bad joke
[07:52] <khadyoung> It seems that ATI vs. nVidia flamewars are not allowed. Has this been a problem?
[07:52] <ZzeCoOl> hey guys i download linux kernel source but i cant find version.h in /usr/src/linux/include/linux
[07:52] <Agrajag> flamewars in general are discouraged
[07:53] <Garathor> Hi. When i mount my windows-partitions in Ubuntu, i can't find my files and folders with characters like ,  and  in their names.
[07:53] <Agrajag> Garathor: add the option nls=utf8 in fstab
[07:53] <Agrajag> and remount
[07:54] <ZzeCoOl> where is version.h file?
[07:54] <Garathor> Thankyou. Does this go for both FAT32 and NTFS partitions?
[07:54] <Agrajag> I think so
[07:54] <cosco> hello. i have a ati radoen 9800 PRO graphics card and dont know how to install the driver for it. can you help me ?
[07:55] <ZzeCoOl> cosco:
[07:55] <ZzeCoOl> im trying 2 days now
[07:55] <cosco> this?
[07:55] <cosco> you have radeon 9800 pro too?
[07:55] <cardador> cosco: have you read the howto?
[07:55] <ZzeCoOl> it is the same no matter the model
[07:55] <ZzeCoOl> ati driver is the same
[07:56] <ZzeCoOl> i have 9700pro
[07:56] <ZzeCoOl> it is imposible to make tha latest drivers work ...
[07:56] <ZzeCoOl> but i can give help about oldest drivers
[07:56] <ZzeCoOl> with 3d support
[07:56] <ZzeCoOl> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:57] <ZzeCoOl> follow this steps and you are gonna be ok
[07:57] <cosco> ok
[07:58] <cosco> thank you
[07:58] <ZzeCoOl> np
[08:02] <cosco> another question .. i runed an application with wine , and now it destroyed my resolution, how can i change it back ? xrandr doesnt work
[08:03] <hannes__> glx broken on hoary?
[08:03] <cardador> cosco: ctrl+alt+(+) or (-) will cycle through resolutions
[08:03] <cosco> diesnt work :D
[08:03] <krix> halkeye, maybe yes.
[08:03] <krix> halkeye, what is your problem ?
[08:03] <halkeye> 'cuse me?
[08:03] <cosco> ready.
[08:03] <krix> halkeye, my problem is that xorg cannot load glx module because it say no such module "glx"
[08:04] <cosco> i clicked on COMPUTER -> screen resolution
[08:04] <krix> halkeye, and at you ?
[08:04] <cosco> :D
[08:04] <cardador> cosco: :)
[08:04] <sensebend> cosco, you'll need to edit your configuration
[08:04] <sensebend> for whatever xserver you have
[08:04] <cardador> krix: have you installed the restricted modules for the driver?
[08:04] <krix> cardador, good question
[08:04] <krix> i installed from nvidia site
[08:04] <krix> NVidia.......run file
[08:04] <cardador> krix: wrong answer :)
[08:04] <krix> so not from ubuntu package
[08:04] <krix> cardador, why? :)
[08:05] <cardador> why not?
[08:05] <krix> eh :)
[08:05] <cardador> krix: why not from ubuntu?
[08:05] <krix> 'cause i can not create ubuntu package from nvidia-source
[08:05] <krix> i need it because i'm using kernel2.6.10-686
[08:05] <krix> and for that kernel package there isn't precompiled glx
[08:05] <cardador> krix: hmm ok
[08:05] <krix> nvidia-glx i mean
[08:05] <krix> but. in xorg /usr/X11R6/modules/extensions/
[08:06] <krix> i see libglx.so
[08:06] <krix> what is linked to libglx-NVidia......so
[08:06] <krix> but xorg say to me that no such module "glx" ...
[08:06] <krix> and don't know why. cardador, any idea pleaseeeeee ? :)
[08:07] <cardador> krix: sorry, cant help you :( i havent got a clue
[08:07] <krix> mhm :(
[08:07] <cosco> hello tidwave hello KING
[08:07] <krix> how can i debug Xorg module loading ?
[08:07] <KING^^^> hello all , how cand i change my resolution bigger then 1024x768 ?
[08:08] <krix> hm
[08:08] <krix> i try something for glx
[08:08] <krix> brb
[08:12] <tritium> man, evolution SMTP auth has been broken a long time...
[08:13] <tritium> I finally switched to thunderbird
[08:14] <abelli> seb128: ding
[08:15] <caldwell> it seems i'm missing some man pages.  i get nothing for 'man sprintf', 'man strcat', etc.  What need i install from Synaptic to get these?
[08:15] <brk3> hi, could anyone tell me how to stop X for a while? I want to install my nvidia drivers but when i kill X it just seems to start up again automatically. is there a way of just stopping it?
[08:15] <caldwell> manpages-dev?
[08:16] <caldwell> brk3, init 3
[08:16] <caldwell> changes your runlevel to 'non-X' multiuser mode
[08:16] <caldwell> init 5 to get back
[08:17] <brk3> caldwell: i remember typing that before and it did nothing!
[08:17] <caldwell> manpages-dev did the trick.
[08:18] <caldwell> brk3, wait a minute... ubuntu default runlevel is 2
[08:18] <caldwell> how odd...
[08:18] <brk3> caldwell: if i type that and then kill X will init 3 prevent it from restarting?
[08:18] <brk3> or should it just stop it straight away
[08:19] <caldwell> brk3, read up on runlevels
[08:20] <kezz> would linux single at the boot prompt work?
[08:20] <brk3> sigh.. right so
[08:20] <kezz> no sorry im talking rubbish
[08:20] <leonel> brk3: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:20] <fabbione> brk3: just go to console and do /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:21] <fabbione> caldwell: runlevels in ubuntu are not like in RH or Mandrake
[08:21] <leonel> brk3: update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[08:21] <leonel> brk3: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:21] <leonel> brk3: update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[08:21] <fabbione> leonel: no
[08:21] <fabbione> it's enough to stop it
[08:21] <leonel> with this 2 X won't start at boot
[08:21] <fabbione> brk3: just do /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:21] <fabbione> leonel: he didn't ask to kill it forever
[08:21] <fabbione> but only for the time to install the Nvidia driver
 caldwell: if i type that and then kill X will init 3 prevent it from restarting?
[08:22] <fabbione> leonel: read the original question
[08:22] <leonel> ok
[08:22] <leonel> whatever
[08:22] <brk3> fabbione: if i do that wont gdm just restart automatically
[08:23] <fabbione> brk3: it will not start until you will type /etc/init.d/gdm start or reboot the machine
[08:23] <fabbione> brk3: the "stop" means to not restart automatically
[08:23] <brk3> fabbione: perfect
[08:23] <brk3> thanks
[08:23] <fabbione> no problem
[08:27] <GFXstyLER> hi
[08:33] <cosco> cosco@ubuntu:~ $ glxinfo | grep render
[08:33] <cosco> direct rendering: No
[08:33] <cosco>     GLX_ATI_render_texture
[08:33] <cosco> i fallow your site.. on installing ati driver on linux
[08:33] <cosco> and ..
[08:33] <cosco> after rebooting , no error but ... no direct rendering
[08:34] <cosco> what can i do to have 3d acceleration?
[08:34] <GFXstyLER> i installed fglrx-driver yesterday, run fglrxconfig, now my x server was trashed again, wtf!
[08:34] <brk3> does anyone know if the mono package is big? im on dialup and am trying to download it. its not showing up the size though..
[08:34] <GFXstyLER> had to install ubuntu again and do this damn configuring etc
[08:35] <cosco> can someone help me?
[08:35] <cosco> after rebooting , no error but ... no direct rendering
[08:35] <cosco> cosco@ubuntu:~ $ glxinfo | grep render
[08:35] <cosco> direct rendering: No
[08:35] <cosco>     GLX_ATI_render_texture
[08:35] <cosco> after rebooting , no error but ... no direct rendering
[08:35] <cosco> can someone help me?
[08:35] <cosco> what can i do to have 3d acceleration?
[08:35] <occy> Removing ubuntu-desktop ...
[08:35] <occy> Removing mozilla-firefox ...
[08:35] <occy> when I apt-get remove mozilla-firefox
[08:36] <jarjacha> holas a todxs
[08:38] <brk3> occy: is there a way to uninstall firefox without uninstalling ubuntu-desktop? i take it uninstalling that would mess up everything
[08:38] <tritium> occy, ubuntu-desktop depends on mozilla-firefox
[08:38] <tritium> that's why...
[08:39] <GFXstyLER> ubuntu-desktop should make no problems when uninstalling
[08:39] <GFXstyLER> i uninstalled it too because of totem-xine
[08:39] <hannes__> I have it uninstalled, nd no problems
[08:40] <GFXstyLER> these #*@!$ ati drivers make much more trouble :)
[08:40] <HaNieL> I'm having problems with my ubuntu install, it cant install the ubuntu desktop package for some reason
[08:40] <HaNieL> or rather, it cant install the openoffice help file, and therefore not the desktoppackage
[08:41] <cosco> please .. someone .. help me
[08:42] <mistic> cosco: ati /nvidia-card?
[08:42] <GFXstyLER> ati
[08:43] <mistic> yeah just saw it
[08:44] <cosco> mistic
[08:44] <cosco> yes.
[08:44] <cosco> ati radeon 9800 pro card
[08:44] <GFXstyLER> i would just wait until ati released better drivers instead of 100 hours figuring out how to geht these drivers to work properly
[08:44] <cosco> (yes , I HAVE ATI )
[08:45] <mistic> cosco: that's odd, my friend has the same card and there it works perfectly
[08:45] <cosco> mistic .. i did your steps
[08:45] <cosco> and the kernel worked fine
[08:45] <cosco> but i have no 3d acceleration
[08:45] <cosco> any suggestions?
[08:46] <mistic> did you adjust your XF86-config?
[08:47] <cosco> Yes
[08:47] <cosco> i did
[08:47] <cosco>        Driver          "fglrx"
[08:48] <mistic> wait a sec, i'm gonna try to get my friend over here :-)
[08:48] <cosco> ok.
[08:48] <Felius> morning all..
[08:48] <mistic> if he's able to get online offcourse
[08:48] <mistic> Felius: i would say good-evening, but whatever :-) goodmorning !
[08:48] <Felius> 06:49 here ;)
[08:49] <mistic> 20.49 here :)
[08:49] <mistic> where ya from?
[08:49] <Felius> Tasmania, Australia.
[08:49] <mistic> ah
[08:49] <mistic> belgium here :)
[08:49] <BoY> iep
[08:49] <mistic> ah cosco
[08:49] <cosco> yes?
[08:49] <mistic> this guy might be able to help you
[08:50] <mistic> BoY that is :D
[08:50] <cosco> BoY
[08:50] <BoY> yes
[08:50] <BoY> what seems to be the problem?
[08:50] <cosco> mistic told you have an ati radeon 9800 pro vicedo card and you install linux drivers on linux and it worked for you
[08:50] <BoY> idd
[08:51] <cosco> i have the same card but .. it doesnt work , i installed the drivers , the kernet 686 but no acceleration
[08:51] <cosco> direct rendering: No
[08:51] <cosco> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[08:51] <BoY> phone
[08:52] <Felius> I have a question which is probably a FAQ, but I can't seem to find the answer in a FAQ anywhere.
[08:52] <mistic> Felius: did you check the forums?
[08:52] <feAR`> I upgraded from warty to hoarty my system, but there is no bootsplash..;/
[08:52] <feAR`> can someone help me
[08:52] <mistic> cause a lot of would-be-faqs are answered there
[08:53] <Felius> No, hold on..
[08:53] <Felius> Ahh, that looks like a good place to start.  Thanks, mistic.
[08:54] <mistic> np Felius
[08:55] <BoY> hmmm
[08:55] <BoY> cosco: die you compile the right driver in the kernel?
[08:56] <cosco> BoY : i followed  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto <- this guide . step by step
[08:56] <cosco> and btw .. my mother board is nvidia nforce.. if it makes a difference
[08:57] <davmor2> what the problem
[08:58] <BoY> that could make the difference
[08:58] <cosco> so .. what's your proposal?
[08:59] <BoY> funky manual :
[08:59] <BoY> :)
[08:59] <davmor2> BoY/cosco : what is the problem I have nforce 64bit chipset now and had VIA chipset before nvidia module works on both
[09:00] <tid-wave> davmor2: cosco has ATI card
[09:00] <tid-wave> davmor2: and doesn't have direct rendering
[09:00] <BoY> i should install the drivers for the ati site not true aptget
[09:01] <tid-wave> davmor2: he installed the drivers, is using the ati driver for X but direct rendering doesn't work, it uses Mesa renderer
[09:01] <cosco> ZzeCoOl,  welcome back , and btw .. i follow the steps from that URL .. and the kernel works , but i dont have 3d acceleration
[09:01] <ZzeCoOl> ..
[09:01] <tid-wave> BoY: glxinfo | grep direct
[09:02] <tid-wave> BoY: what's the return ?
[09:02] <davmor2> boy : no apt-get drivers should work fine but they are proprietory drivers that need a restricted kernel have you downloaded it
[09:02] <ZzeCoOl> are u sure u dont have 3d support?
[09:02] <ZzeCoOl> did you try any 3d screensaver?
[09:02] <BoY> i dont have a problem :)
[09:02] <BoY> my pc works perfectly
[09:02] <tid-wave> BoY: i know but i was just curious :)
[09:02] <cosco> cosco@ubuntu:/mnt/win1/Program Files/Yahoo!/Messenger $ glxinfo | grep direct
[09:02] <cosco> direct rendering: No
[09:02] <cosco> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[09:02] <ZzeCoOl> cosco:
[09:02] <cosco> i sure dont
[09:03] <cosco> i have 300 fps .. thats not 3d acceleration
[09:03] <tid-wave> davmor2: he followed each step from the guide, i guess he has those modules
[09:03] <BoY> i'm not @ home @ the moment just logged in to my server so cant give you a return :)
[09:03] <ZzeCoOl> did you change ati with fglrx in Xfree xonfig file?
[09:03] <tid-wave> ZzeCoOl: yes he did :)
[09:03] <tid-wave> ZzeCoOl: i am logged on his machine
[09:03] <ZzeCoOl> ati drivers are really pain in the ass
[09:03] <tid-wave> ZzeCoOl: everything is installed as in the guide
[09:03] <ZzeCoOl> wait a sec
[09:04] <ZzeCoOl> cosco: plz go to synaptic and search fgl
[09:04] <cosco> k
[09:04] <ZzeCoOl> and plz tell me the version of the drivers
[09:04] <cosco> 2.6.8.1.3-5 <- last version
[09:04] <ZzeCoOl> hmm
[09:04] <ZzeCoOl> then it have to work
[09:05] <ZzeCoOl> i have problem only with the 3.14.6
[09:05] <feAR`> where to get gaim-vv for ubuntu ? ;( i`m using hoarty..
[09:05] <tid-wave> hmm something IS strange
[09:05] <tid-wave> i see nvidia_agp
[09:05] <tid-wave> loaded
[09:05] <tid-wave> there
[09:05] <feAR`> apt-cache search doesnt found .
[09:06] <ZzeCoOl> im did make it to install properly 3.14.6 but 2.6.8.1.3-5 waz working fine for me
[09:06] <ZzeCoOl> one thing is sure
[09:06] <ZzeCoOl> this isnt any distros problem
[09:06] <cosco> brb reboot
[09:06] <ZzeCoOl> this Fag... ATi is the real problem
[09:07] <ZzeCoOl> they only support windows
[09:07] <tid-wave> they all suck because they don't have free drivers :)
[09:07] <ZzeCoOl> and this minor driver is a filthy programmers shit that may work or not at every distro
[09:08] <cosco> back
[09:08] <ZzeCoOl> i like ATi performance in windows that it is way better than nvidia's but in linux ....nvidia rocks
[09:09] <davmor2> tid-wave try running glxgears in terminal
[09:09] <cosco-> direct rendering: Yes
[09:09] <cosco->     GLX_ATI_render_texture
[09:09] <cosco-> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9800 Pro Generic
[09:09] <cosco-> THANKS TID_WAVE
[09:09] <ZzeCoOl> there are pathes about the kernel and stuff....but every sigle one that i tryied just doesnt make the game
[09:10] <tid-wave> cosco-: the guide had all the instructions .. you needed to put a line in the config
[09:10] <tid-wave>         Option          "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[09:10] <tid-wave> this one
[09:10] <tid-wave> :)
[09:10] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[09:10] <ZzeCoOl> aha
[09:10] <ZzeCoOl> this one
[09:10] <ZzeCoOl> tid-wave:
[09:10] <cosco-> :)
[09:10] <ZzeCoOl> what driver do you use?
[09:10] <ZzeCoOl> 3.14.6
[09:10] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[09:11] <tid-wave> ZzeCoOl: i don't have any problems .. i am not even using ubuntu but cosco- asked me for help :)
[09:11] <cosco-> TID
[09:11] <cosco-> AI DE PULA MEA
[09:11] <cosco-> CATI FPS
[09:11] <ZzeCoOl> i know that u dont have any problem
[09:11] <tid-wave> ZzeCoOl: i am using nvidia driver
[09:11] <ZzeCoOl> im just curius about the driver that u use
[09:11] <ZzeCoOl> oohhh ok
[09:11] <tid-wave> ZzeCoOl: i have an nvidia Vanta 8 MB :)
[09:11] <ZzeCoOl> hahaahahah
[09:11] <ZzeCoOl> cool
[09:12] <tid-wave> 3d accelaration wth :) i rule
[09:12] <ZzeCoOl> it is a console only machine though
[09:12] <ZzeCoOl> hahaha
[09:12] <tid-wave> not really
[09:12] <tid-wave> i can run bzflag fine
[09:12] <ZzeCoOl> eheh
[09:12] <ZzeCoOl> silicon grapix performance
[09:12] <ZzeCoOl> hahahaha
[09:12] <pe7er> excuse me, is anybody here whos got experience in installing the driver for an atmel chip based usb adapter?
[09:12] <tid-wave> ovidiu@ovibox:/$ glxinfo | grep render
[09:12] <tid-wave> direct rendering: Yes
[09:12] <tid-wave> OpenGL renderer string: RIVA TNT2/AGP/3DNOW!
[09:12] <tid-wave> :)
[09:13] <cosco-> zice no comaptible drive with direkt  draw
[09:13] <cosco-> sorry
[09:13] <cosco-> wrong channel
[09:13] <cosco-> :D
[09:16] <ZzeCoOl> tid-wave: i mess up with my driver setup so bad that after all here is my output of glxinfo | grep render :glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:17] <tid-wave> you must reinstall the driver
[09:17] <dud> has anyone else been getting sound screwups after recent apt-get updates running hoary?
[09:17] <ZzeCoOl> ahah
[09:17] <tid-wave> or hmmm
[09:17] <ZzeCoOl> i allready did it
[09:17] <dud> esd works, but not alsa or oss for me
[09:17] <tid-wave> ZzeCoOl: ls /usr/lib | grep GL
[09:17] <ZzeCoOl> libGLU.so.1
[09:17] <ZzeCoOl> libGLU.so.1.3
[09:17] <dud> well, after a reboot it seems to work, for a while at least
[09:18] <ZzeCoOl> this is what i get
[09:18] <dud> anyone know anything about this?
[09:18] <ZzeCoOl> any thoughts
[09:18] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[09:19] <dud> i dont know, its frustrating when apt-get messes up more than it fixes
[09:19] <dud> but it is development...
[09:19] <dud> branch
[09:20] <ZzeCoOl> tid-wave:
[09:20] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[09:20] <dud> damn stupid of me to do a dist-upgrade now that everything was working so great...
[09:20] <ZzeCoOl> ahmm
[09:20] <tid-wave> ZzeCoOl: you don't have the needed file :)
[09:21] <ZzeCoOl> ok
[09:21] <dud> imma try rebooting again...
[09:21] <ZzeCoOl> im trying to reinstall
[09:22] <Bandit> hello everyone
[09:23] <emwson> Does anyone know if Nautilus use cdrecord to burn CDs?
[09:24] <emwson> I can't get nautilus to recognize my blank CDs, but cdrecord works just fine.
[09:24] <emwson> I'm running a custom kernel.
[09:26] <banditoo> can someone tell me what the latest version of Ubuntu is
[09:26] <emwson> banditoo: 4.10
[09:26] <pe7er> ok. i try a more detailed question: how do i know what packages are "prebuilt" into the ubuntu kernel? this manual i got tells me i've got to patch the kernel if it isn't patched in order to make it work for my configuration. google = no luck, wiki = no luck. but maybe i just don't know the corresponding lockpick (keyword) yet
[09:27] <banditoo> emwson thanks
[09:27] <banditoo>  I have heard some great stuff about this disstro
[09:27] <banditoo> think I may give it a try
[09:27] <emwson> pe7er: You can look at /boot/config-2.6.8.1-4-386
[09:27] <banditoo> does it support cups?
[09:28] <pe7er> enwson: thanks
[09:28] <pe7er> banditoo: of course(?)
[09:28] <banditoo> nice
[09:29] <pe7er> emwson: i'll have a cd to record in a couple of hours, will ps -x while it gets done if you're still there and don't know yet
[09:29] <banditoo> are there any drawbacks to the distro I hear it is very user friendly and very fast
[09:29] <pe7er> banditoo: it's a preview
[09:29] <banditoo> :) like many of them
[09:29] <pe7er> banditoo: but if you want nothing too specific it works greatly out of the box
[09:29] <pe7er> (as for me)
[09:29] <emwson> pe7er: Yeah, thanks. I'm stumped as to how Nautilus works and really could use some cues.
[09:30] <banditoo> but is it pretty configurable so that you can tweak and add things
[09:30] <pe7er> sure. you can mess up everything you want, it's a linux :)
[09:30] <banditoo> lol
[09:31] <banditoo> ah 1 last thing does it work with k3b
[09:31] <pe7er> doesn't come with it by default
[09:31] <dud> k3b works like a dream for me on hoary
[09:31] <pe7er> but apt-get will work afaik
[09:31] <banditoo> whats hoary
[09:32] <dud> only issue is that when k3b tries to use kdelibs to make sound, it kills my sound in general
[09:32] <banditoo> sorry for so many questions guys
[09:32] <dud> but you can disable sound in the kde control panel
[09:32] <pe7er> banditoo: the preview for the sucessor of the preview. get all info at the wiki
[09:32] <emwson> Hoary is the next, upcoming version of Ubuntu
[09:32] <pe7er> (e.g. current development release)
[09:32] <dud> hoary has more up to date applications
[09:32] <tmccrary> Hey
[09:32] <dud> and so forth more bugs heh
[09:32] <banditoo> nice is it downloadable
[09:33] <banditoo> and i just said i was sorry for the questions :)
[09:33] <pe7er> er. why do you ask them then?
[09:33] <tmccrary> Does ubuntu have a public cvs server that I can access? I'd like to get the ubuntu-installer source. I know it's a debian fork, but I'd like to start with the ubuntu version
[09:33] <pe7er> but i'm happy to be able to be able to answer to some questions
[09:33] <pe7er> :)
[09:33] <banditoo> well i am sorry but I want to know so I ask
[09:33] <banditoo> :)
[09:33] <kezz> banditoo, just replace every warty in /etc/apt/sources.list with hoary and then update
[09:34] <gen> if you don't know how to do it, then you shouldn't be using hoary
[09:34] <banditoo> hmmm
[09:34] <emwson> tmccrazy: I dunno, but guess that http://patches.ubuntulinux.org/patches/ is a start?
[09:34] <banditoo> well three of you guys were extremely helfull thanks
[09:35] <banditoo> but there is always someone that needs to insult us dumb guys :(
[09:36] <tmccrary> emwson, thanks. Although, I'd like to get anonymous cvs access (or svn..whatever) if possible. Patches are great, but not exactly what I'm looking for. :)
[09:36] <emwson> Heh, tell it, brother...
[09:39] <emwson> Does anyone know if Nautilus use cdrecord to burn CDs?
[09:40] <tmccrary> So basically there's no way to get Ubuntu source? Or am I going to have to call them or something?
[09:41] <kezz> im not sure tmccrary i wouldn't mind a peek either
[09:41] <emwson> tmccrary: a quick mail to the devel mailing list or one of the maintainers might provide the quickest answer.
[09:42] <tmccrary> yeah, but you'd think they'd be like other distros and not have it completely hidden :) like cvs.ubuntulinux.org or something
[09:42] <kezz> already tried that :P
[09:43] <dud> nautilus coasted a dvd+r for me
[09:43] <tmccrary> maybe it's ran by canonical
[09:43] <dud> trying to burn an iso...
[09:43] <emwson> I can burn CDs with cdrecord, but nautilus claims that there is no blank media in my CDRW?
[09:44] <DagaZ> is it possible to make a netinstall of ubuntu?
[09:44] <emwson> I'm running a custom kernel, btw.
[09:44] <zenrox> DagaZ,  yes go search the wiki
[09:45] <zenrox> www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[09:45] <DagaZ> zenrox: ok.. thx for the tip
[09:45] <zenrox> DagaZ,  n/p
[09:45] <invisiblekid> I recently used Partition Magic to partition a part of my WinXP hdd and install a second OS (Ubuntu) but now i cannot load into windows  It says it is missing xmnt2002 and autochk  Anyone know what the problem is?
[09:45] <invisiblekid> Ubuntu boots just fine
[09:46] <tmccrary> It's a blessing :) j/k
[09:49] <emwson> invisiblekid: Can you boot into safe mode?
[09:50] <kent> The shared folders program in Hoary have a small problem (or perhaps the design of the system). It seems to start as root and as such,  it dont have my bookmarks in the file-selection-window when i add stuff to share etc. For a user that seems a bit strange, since it would be handy to have
[09:51] <invisiblekid> i havent tried booting in safe mode emwson but i will try
[09:52] <emwson> If you can't, I'd consider rescuing the files you need using Knoppix and then just reinstall the whole, darn Windows thing.
[09:52] <invisiblekid> ok
[09:53] <invisiblekid> thank you
[10:06] <battletux> Hi can anyone point me to a guide to setting up SSH on warty please?
[10:08] <zerokarmaleft> can someone running hoary check for me to see if ubuntu-patched 2.6.10 kernel sources are available?
[10:08] <jdub> battletux: apt-get install openssh-server <- guide :-)
[10:10] <battletux> thank jdub
[10:10] <pe7er> battletux: more at the wiki -- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto
[10:11] <battletux> cheers
[10:11] <battletux> i'll gho do some reading
[10:11] <battletux> *go
[10:11] <pe7er> make sure to start sshd before connecting to it :)
[10:11] <ZzeCoOl> hey guys take a look at this ...
[10:12] <ZzeCoOl> root@Afterburner:/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod # ./make.sh
[10:12] <ZzeCoOl> ATI module generator V 2.0
[10:12] <ZzeCoOl> [10:12] <ZzeCoOl> initializing...
[10:12] <ZzeCoOl> Error:
[10:12] <ZzeCoOl> XFree86 drm includes at /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-k7/build/include/../drivers/char/drm do not fit this driver.
[10:12] <ZzeCoOl> This driver is designed to only work with X4.1.0 or higher.
[10:12] <ZzeCoOl> You can match this by getting Linux kernel 2.4.8 or higher.
[10:12] <ZzeCoOl> root@Afterburner:/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod #
[10:12] <ZzeCoOl> does anyone knows what is wrong?
[10:12] <ZzeCoOl> .
[10:12] <esqueleto> hello people
[10:13] <krix> hey there
[10:15] <siretart> ZzeCoOl: have you considered using linux-restricted-modules or if not avaiable module-assisstant?
[10:15] <esqueleto> one thing ... we can install ubuntu without been connected to internet ....
[10:15] <ZzeCoOl> i did
[10:16] <esqueleto> i don't know why but after the installation i he did not installed X
[10:17] <esqueleto> when i do startx ... i get the X binary is not in the system
[10:17] <esqueleto> i try to look in other places but was not in the system ..
[10:18] <esqueleto> how can i install it again with apt or alien from CD
[10:19] <dud> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[10:19] <dud> should do it
[10:19] <dud> or xserver-xfree if you want xfree86
[10:19] <esqueleto> ok ... i will try ...
[10:19] <esqueleto> i want xorg
[10:20] <esqueleto> do you think that X server was not installed for some reason ??
[10:20] <jdub> esqueleto: try installing ubuntu-desktop, see what it says
[10:21] <esqueleto> ubuntu-desktop ??? do you mean apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ??
[10:22] <jdub> yes
[10:22] <esqueleto> ok ..
[10:22] <esqueleto> i will try that too
[10:24] <esqueleto> it said that i have some problems to resolve with dependecy ..
[10:24] <esqueleto> and connot do that ....
[10:24] <kent> esqueleto, did it say something about running "apt-get -f install"?  that usually fixes stuff.
[10:24] <esqueleto> give me some errors..
[10:25] <jdub> esqueleto: paste them - we can't help otherwise
[10:25] <esqueleto> it's in another computer .. i have to write it here
[10:26] <HaNieL> ehm.... im confused... how do i change runlevels in ubuntu??
[10:26] <HaNieL> like init 3, console only and init 5 X ??
[10:26] <esqueleto> what do you want me to paste here .. the fist error .. the one ask me to make apt-get -f install ... or the other ??
[10:26] <esqueleto> the second ??
[10:27] <jdub> the first error when you try to install ubuntu-desktop
[10:27] <esqueleto> ok ...
[10:27] <esqueleto> ...
[10:27] <esqueleto> The folling package have unmet dependecies
[10:27] <HaNieL> after ive exitted GNOME how do i start it again????
[10:28] <HaNieL> /sbin/telinit 5 dont work
[10:28] <esqueleto> ubuntu-desktop: Depends: gnome-pilot-conduits it is not going to be installed
[10:29] <esqueleto> gnome-system-tools
[10:29] <esqueleto> lsb
[10:29] <esqueleto> python-gd
[10:29] <esqueleto> python2.3-pisock
[10:29] <esqueleto> slocate
[10:29] <esqueleto> unzip
[10:29] <esqueleto> vino
[10:29] <esqueleto> wvdial
[10:29] <esqueleto> x-ttcidfont-conf
[10:30] <esqueleto> x-window-system-core
[10:30] <esqueleto> xchat
[10:31] <esqueleto> xfree86-driver-synaptics
[10:31] <zerokarmaleft> stop flooding please
[10:31] <esqueleto> xpdf
[10:31] <kent> esqueleto, are you running hoary or warty?
[10:31] <esqueleto> warty
[10:31] <jdub> esqueleto: how did you do your install?
[10:31] <esqueleto> i put the CD .. and start install
[10:31] <esqueleto> simple
[10:32] <jdub> esqueleto: this should definitely not happen - try running the install again, but do not update from the internet
[10:32] <esqueleto> i don't have internet yet
[10:32] <esqueleto> in this computer..
[10:32] <esqueleto> the ubuntu did not detected the wireless
[10:33] <kebac> i have Teh Internte
[10:33] <esqueleto> ok .. i will try again
[10:33] <kent> I have the internet aswell ;)
[10:34] <pe7er> atmel chip based usb adapter?
[10:34] <pe7er> i need people to share this nightmare with me
[10:34] <zerokarmaleft> can someone running hoary check for me to see if ubuntu-patched 2.6.10 kernel sources are available?
[10:35] <jdub> zerokarmaleft: yes, of course
[10:35] <zerokarmaleft> excellent
[10:36] <LucidVisions> hello all, Ive been on a 3 month hiatus
[10:36] <LucidVisions> im back here to this wonderful ubuntu community
[10:37] <LucidVisions> ive been using osx,,but im back to unbuntu on an x86
[10:38] <jintonic> heya, i just installed ubuntu warty and x wont start up
[10:38] <zerokarmaleft> LucidVisions, what did you do with your mac?
[10:38] <xhypno> anyone running a server with ubuntu on it????
[10:38] <LucidVisions> zerokermaleft: I sold it for some serious $$
[10:39] <LucidVisions> built 2 pc's and got some phat herB
[10:39] <LucidVisions> heh
[10:39] <LucidVisions> it ran great,it was a powerbook
[10:39] <jintonic> x says: (EE) No devices detected.... fatal server error: no screens found
[10:40] <xhypno> run xconfig and reconfig the display/vid card
[10:40] <zerokarmaleft> that's a helluva bargain
[10:40] <jintonic> xf86config, right?
[10:41] <LucidVisions> I had it for school,but now im back to hardcore x86 linux
[10:41] <zerokarmaleft> LucidVisions, welcome back :)
[10:41] <LucidVisions> and ubuntu is my linux distro of choice
[10:41] <LucidVisions> thanks
[10:42] <LucidVisions> I pop in here once a week,http://www.osdl.org/
[10:42] <LucidVisions> im like 5 miles away
[10:42] <LucidVisions> its where Linux torvalds works
[10:43] <jintonic> ok, no response so i'll guess thats right... horizontal sync i get stuck on... my lcd does up to 1024x768 at 60Hz and only 60Hz
[10:43] <jintonic> so what should the horiz sync be?
[10:43] <LucidVisions> but he stays home except 1 day a week or so
[10:43] <LucidVisions> Beaverton,Oregon
[10:43] <LucidVisions> http://www.osdl.org/
[10:44] <zerokarmaleft> i'd rather talk to andrew morton
[10:45] <jintonic> anybody?
[10:46] <Quest-Master> Is Linux originally European?
[10:46] <Quest-Master> I meant
[10:46] <Quest-Master> Linus
[10:46] <Quest-Master> ><
[10:46] <zerokarmaleft> linus is finnish
[10:46] <tmccrary> Does applications:/// work for anyone using Hoary?
[10:46] <tmccrary> In Nautilus
[10:46] <Quest-Master> Ah
[10:46] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic, what brand/model lcd do you have?
[10:47] <jintonic> sony sdm-s51
[10:47] <LucidVisions> uh,why andrew,he is always so buisy
[10:47] <jintonic> i tried looking up the specs on it but for some reason acrobat is crashing
[10:48] <LucidVisions> andrew morton drinks to much
[10:48] <LucidVisions> hehe
[10:48] <LucidVisions> no one is from oregon here?
[10:48] <zerokarmaleft> he has more to say, but you're right...it's probably faster just to read his posts on lkml
[10:48] <zerokarmaleft> i'd drink with him
[10:48] <zerokarmaleft> drink his ass under the table
[10:49] <LucidVisions> zerokermaleft: I acually beleive you could,,hehe
[10:49] <jintonic> also: i'm using an ati radeon 9200 128MB video card, where should i get drivers specificly made for it instead of the generic driver?
[10:49] <LucidVisions> you sound like you should live here in oregon
[10:50] <LucidVisions> are most the people here from other countries?
[10:50] <siimo> hi anyone here want to test a firefox cvs build optimized for athlon-xp's will also work on athlon-mp amd64 sampron and newer durons, i want to check if it works on ubuntu stable
[10:50] <LucidVisions> continents
[10:50] <LucidVisions> pardon my missspelling
[10:51] <fleece> woohoo!  I just figured out how to get Ubuntu to work with my KVM.
[10:51] <fleece> now my mouse doesn't schitz when I switch
[10:51] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic, i'll look em up for you
[10:51] <jintonic> thank you
[10:52] <LucidVisions> non-us?
[10:52] <LucidVisions> most people here
[10:52] <jintonic> no way! heh... ati gives away linux drivers... its in rpm format though
[10:52] <LucidVisions> which is very cool if indeed so
[10:52] <fleece> LucidVisions: I'm probably six miles from you right now
[10:53] <xhypno> run xconfig and reconfig the display/vid card
[10:53] <xhypno> srry
[10:53] <xhypno> anyone running a server with ubuntu on it????
[10:54] <jintonic> xhypno: writing a command shorthand isn't a good idea in case people dunno what command you're doing shorthand of :P
[10:54] <UnderPar> greetings everyone from the land of ice and snow
[10:54] <HrdwrBoB> xhypno: yes
[10:54] <sensebend> UnderPar, Canada?
[10:55] <UnderPar> lol yeah
[10:55] <UnderPar> Ontario to be exact
[10:55] <sensebend> <[10:55] <sensebend> also an Ontarian :)
[10:55] <UnderPar> pleased to meet you
[10:55] <xhypno> HrdwrBob: what services did you remove after the custom install, and what size partitions did you use?
[10:55] <moped> I was wondering I have 2 harddrives and i just formated one and put ubuntu on it but the other one has all my stuff but with windows xp is there a way to acces that hdd from ubuntu
[10:55] <sensebend> you too
[10:55] <sensebend> what area of Ontario?
[10:55] <UnderPar> thanks
[10:55] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic, horizontal scan range = 28kHz - 61kHz, vertical scan range = 48Hz - 75Hz
[10:55] <UnderPar> Barrie
[10:55] <kebac> moped: there is, but you cant write ntfs with ubuntu
[10:55] <sensebend> I reside near Orangeville
[10:55] <moped> i live in london ontario
[10:55] <UnderPar> damm we are neighbors
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> xhypno: ubuntu runs no listening services by default
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> so eh
[10:56] <sensebend> I met someone in another room who lives down the street from me
[10:56] <sensebend> the other day
[10:56] <moped> lol
[10:56] <UnderPar> small world
[10:56] <moped> ya
[10:56] <sensebend> on the same Cable node in fact
[10:56] <UnderPar> were they also using ubuntu
[10:56] <zenrox> lol
[10:56] <sensebend> no
[10:56] <UnderPar> :)
[10:56] <xhypno> HrdwrBob: what did you do to activate them
[10:56] <krix> hmhm
[10:57] <sensebend> it was kinda creepy
[10:57] <moped> hey can u guys help me with something i just installed ubuntu last night
[10:57] <moped> I was wondering I have 2 harddrives and i just formated one and put ubuntu on it but the other one has all my stuff but with windows xp is there a way to acces that hdd from ubuntu
[10:57] <krix> so anyone knows why xorg writes to me for Load "glx" that -> no such module "glx" ???
[10:57] <UnderPar> hey does anyone know how to set java up to work with Firefox/Mozilla
[10:57] <krix> i installed nvidia-sources nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common
[10:57] <UnderPar> i just installed it 5 mins ago :)
[10:57] <krix> did a m-a a-i nvidia
[10:57] <sensebend> UnderPar, follow the guide at http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:57] <krix> Uncommented xorg.conf Load "glx" lines
[10:57] <UnderPar> ah ok thanks
[10:57] <sensebend> it works well
[10:57] <krix> and rewrite nv -> nvidia
[10:58] <kebac> moped: already answered
[10:58] <krix> then i restarted the whole xorg server
[10:58] <krix> nvidia logo shows
[10:58] <krix> but GLX extension not loaded.
[10:58] <zerokarmaleft> moped, follow the guide for mounting ntfs/fat partitions at http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:58] <krix> (II) LoadModule: "glx"
[10:58] <krix> (WW) Warning, couldn't open module glx
[10:58] <krix> (EE) Failed to load module "glx" (module does not exist, 0)
[10:58] <krix> please please. Somebody say something :)
[11:00] <tmccrary> I have the same problem
[11:00] <krix> tmccrary, i'm happy :)
[11:00] <tmccrary> ubuntu SUCKS at proprietary stuff (debian inheritance, i guess)
[11:00] <krix> btw some ubuntu developer on this channel? :)
[11:01] <krix> or somebody say some workaroung please
[11:01] <housetier> the simple approach: don't use xorg
[11:01] <krix> housetier, this isn't an xorg base bug
[11:01] <krix> i'm running fine on other distros xorg6.8.1 with nvidia driver load glx :)
[11:02] <zombics> when i am trying to compile  program(./configure) it tells me configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[11:03] <housetier> zombics you need some qt-dev package
[11:03] <housetier> I don't know the exact package name but it should end in "-dev", might be libqt-dev or so
[11:03] <LucidVisions> Ok,fleece: If you are, you have to register with the lab http://www.osdl.org/
[11:03] <siimo> anyone here use ubuntu or debian testing/unstable and an AMD cpu with SSE support and want to help me by testing my Firefox CVS build optimized for athlon-xp's works on these distro's ?
[11:04] <LucidVisions> you will love it, youll see many of the major players in the linux worl
[11:04] <zombics> it was probebly libqt3-dev thx :)
[11:04] <siimo> all i want to check is if it runs
[11:04] <LucidVisions> Some of us love to burn some,and kick it there. We run linux cluster app
[11:04] <LucidVisions> fun stuffs
[11:05] <LucidVisions> once a week
[11:05] <zenrox> ok how do i move files using scp
[11:06] <pybe-lappy> zenrox: man scp
[11:06] <LucidVisions> fleece: ive seen andrew morton, Linux Torvalds.Also some unknown players,maby even mark shuttelwotrh,haha,well maby not him,hehe
[11:06] <zenrox> pybe-lappy,  that dint help
[11:06] <pybe-lappy> zenrox: scp source dest
[11:06] <zenrox> hmm
[11:06] <zenrox> pybe-lappy, ill try that
[11:07] <pybe-lappy> zenrox: scp /home/user/blah.txt user@host:/path/to/put/blah.txt
[11:07] <LucidVisions> fleece: you should come if you are in fact 6 miles from there,thats cool. We love to have knowlegeable people hang.What do you know?
[11:07] <LucidVisions> Linux wise?
[11:08] <zombics> what's the package name of glib?
[11:09] <zombics> ther is no package that i can install that will install all i need to compile? :/
[11:09] <krix> mhmm
[11:09] <krix> i need to debug this glx bug ah :)
[11:09] <jintonic> i just tried to install the radeon 9200 driver at ati.com (which was an rpm) and it gave me the errors: cannot open packages index using db3 - no such file or directory (2) and cannot open pkgs database in /var/lib/rpm
[11:09] <pybe-lappy> zombics: apt-cache search glib maybe?
[11:10] <zenrox> thx pybe-lappy  that worked
[11:10] <pybe-lappy> zenrox: cool
[11:10] <zenrox> it helps if i ant loged in to the ssh at the same time
[11:10] <zombics> found alout of staff and i cant figure what i need to install :/
[11:11] <zombics> but still if there is a pack of all the staff i need to complie it whold be much easyer
[11:11] <housetier> zombics there is a meta package called "build-essential" that will install some essential things
[11:12] <housetier> but each and every application has different build dependencies, if you know the package name you can "apt-get build-dep <package>"
[11:14] <LucidVisions> he quit, well fleece is really missing out
[11:14] <zombics> housetier, o thx man!!!! that helped alout!
[11:24] <huttan> Anyone know how to fix java with firefox ?
[11:25] <kezz> there's a howto on the wiki i believe
[11:25] <huttan> i followed it, and it ended up with that my firefox wouldnt start
[11:25] <kezz> any error messages?
[11:26] <huttan> nope
[11:26] <huttan> just wouldnt start
[11:26] <huttan> i'll try again...
[11:26] <huttan> else i'll ask
[11:28] <eEye> Hi, there is a way to install xchat-systray on ubuntu?
[11:34] <pybe-lappy> got a dell c400 laptop had no sound and couldnt find the mini pci wifi, added pci=noacpi to the kernel line and got sound and the wifi but some other irq confilct messages on boot. Any ideas?
[11:35] <pybe-lappy> eEye: apt-cache search
[11:35] <eEye> XFce4-systray
[11:35] <eEye> ;)
[11:35] <bluefoxicy> does anyone have an estimate on how much it takes to install gnome?
[11:35] <bluefoxicy> spacewise
[11:35] <ran> hello, is there a easy way to change language in gnome? I am using English now but I like to change it to spanish.
[11:38] <kezz> ran, you could ask in #ubuntu-es somebody's bound to have done it in there
[11:38] <LucidVisions> 48mb for the base minimal gnome install
[11:38] <LucidVisions> 85 with themes and iconsets
[11:39] <LucidVisions> roughly
[11:39] <bluefoxicy> LucidVisions:  thanks
[11:39] <LucidVisions> no prob dude
[11:39] <Gul3> hi. i'm new to ubuntu and debian. i'm using synaptic to remove some of the packages that was installed but i get a warning that ubuntu-base will be removed to..? how do i get around this?
[11:39] <zombics> when i am trying to compile sim i get this error "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!"
[11:39] <LucidVisions> gul3 its ok
[11:40] <Gul3> how could that possibly be ok?
[11:40] <LucidVisions> its a fake "dummy package"
[11:40] <siretart> Gul3: ubuntu-base is just a meta-package, it's ok
[11:40] <LucidVisions> it can be removed with no problems
[11:40] <Gul3> ok! thanks..
[11:41] <ran> hello, how do I swith to another language?
[11:41] <housetier> zombics what does "apt-cache policy libqt3-dev" report?
[11:41] <zombics> libqt3-dev:
[11:41] <zombics>   Installed: (none)
[11:41] <zombics> :O
[11:42] <housetier> I thought you had installed it
[11:42] <LucidVisions> ran,are you using gnome?
[11:43] <LucidVisions> kde has a nice spanish language package
[11:43] <LucidVisions> you can grab it with synaptic
[11:43] <zombics> same problem :/
[11:44] <zombics> libqt3-dev:   Installed: 3:3.2.3-4ubuntu1    Candidate: 3:3.2.3-4ubuntu1   Version Table:  *** 3:3.2.3-4ubuntu1 0
[11:45] <UnderPar> woot it works ;)
[11:45] <ran> LucidVisions: Yes, gnome as it comes by default in Ubuntu
[11:46] <splatta> how do i get a copy of hoary ?
[11:47] <izaac> splatta: hoary isn't released yet
[11:47] <izaac> is under heavy development
[11:47] <splatta> how would one try a snapshot ?
[11:47] <izaac> upgrading from warty
[11:47] <LucidVisions> ok,then gnome-intro-es
[11:47] <jdub> splatta: cdimages.ubuntu.com -> daily and 'alpha' cd releases
[11:47] <jdub> splatta: or just upgrade your existing warty install
[11:47] <splatta> thx
[11:48] <LucidVisions> its the intro spanish gnome package for apt/synaptic
[11:48] <LucidVisions> and it will require gnome-spanish or whatnot
[11:50] <ran> LucidVisions: there is no such a package with name or description called like that (gnome-intro-es and gnome-spanish)
[11:52] <izaac> jdub: that url doesn't exist
[11:54] <UnderPar> this is a very nice distro
[11:54] <UnderPar> i am impressed
[11:54] <jdub> izaac: cdimage.ubuntu.com?
[11:55] <izaac> jdub: cause the s
[11:55] <izaac> cdimages you told
[11:55] <izaac> its alright now
[11:56] <bluefoxicy> LucidVisions: http://www.morphix.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=1755&forum=3  :)
[11:59] <LucidVisions> ahh
[11:59] <LucidVisions> i see
[11:59] <UnderPar> is there to run ksb as a normal user
[11:59] <UnderPar> oops
[11:59] <UnderPar> k3b
[11:59] <LucidVisions> bluefoxy,, gentoo has a tru gaming cd