[12:00] <LucidVisions> gantoo live gamer cd
[12:01] <LucidVisions> all demos such as ut2k4 etc,,are on the demo live cd
[12:01] <LucidVisions> quake3 etc,no openoffice shizzlew
[12:01] <LucidVisions> right?
[12:01] <LucidVisions> ill get ya a link
[12:03] <bluefoxicy> LucidVisions:  but does it do what I described?  :)
[12:03] <bluefoxicy> with the persistant and mergable homes, modularity, extensions on the USB stick or wherever the /home is
[12:03] <bluefoxicy> will it wash your dog, do the dishes, and impregnate your girlfriend?
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> bluefoxicy: not quite impregnate
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> but my fiance is pretty happy with it ;)
[12:04] <bluefoxicy> HrdwrBoB:  and you're ok with this right?  *cough*  ;P
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> well the worst bit is we're playing World of Warcraft together atm :/
[12:05] <bluefoxicy> o_o
[12:08] <bur[n] er> world of warcraft on ubuntu?
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[12:09] <bur[n] er> how?  cedega?
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> it's a supported game for cedega
[12:10] <bur[n] er> a lot slower than under windows
[12:10] <feAR`> hello, can someone help me to install muine player on unbutu?
[12:11] <bur[n] er> ?
[12:11] <bur[n] er> aww crap... i'll have to find out later HrdwrBoB, gotta go
[12:11] <El_Che> any idea why there is noise when scrolling (AC97 card)? Irq problem?
[12:11] <feAR`> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:11] <feAR`>   muine: Depends: mono-jit (>= 1.0.2) but it is not going to be installed or
[12:11] <feAR`>                   mono-mint (>= 1.0.2) but it is not going to be installed
[12:11] <feAR`>          Depends: libgconf-cil (>= 1.0) but it is not going to be installed
[12:11] <feAR`>          Depends: libglade-cil (>= 1.0) but it is not going to be installed
[12:11] <feAR`>          Depends: libglib-cil (>= 1.0) but it is not going to be installed
[12:11] <feAR`>          Depends: libgnome-cil (>= 1.0) but it is not going to be installed
[12:11] <feAR`>          Depends: libgtk-cil (>= 1.0) but it is not going to be installed
[12:11] <feAR`>          Depends: mono-assemblies-base (>= 1.0) but it is not going to be installed
[12:11] <HrdwrBoB> feAR`: please do not paste that here.
[12:11] <feAR`> E: Broken packages
[12:11] <feAR`> wtf?
[12:11] <HrdwrBoB> El_Che: your AC97 card is probably garbage
[12:12] <feAR`> HrdwrBoB, ok, sorry :}
[12:12] <feAR`> can u help me
[12:12] <feAR`> ;)
[12:12] <El_Che> HrdwrBoB: It is garbage, but its a laptop and no noice in debian proper and older configs
[12:12] <HrdwrBoB> hrm
[12:12] <HrdwrBoB> well you can check IRQ problems with cat /proc/interrupts
[12:12] <swoon> hi
[12:15] <swoon> having a problem with ndiswrapper modprobing... dont understand why in previous ubuntu installs ive had no problems (this is on a fresh install) but I get returns like: utills versions might not match or something like that...
[12:15] <VirtualDarKness> hi.. is there a way to have gedit open files in new tabs instead of into a new window when you double click them from nautilus?
[12:15] <swoon> sorry if thats vague
[12:17] <XrM> hi, is there someone that can give some help ?
[12:18] <swoon> well can anyone give me a url to a ubuntu repository so I can get the ndiswrapper package then?
[12:18] <HrdwrBoB> VirtualDarKness: I don't beleive so
[12:18] <HrdwrBoB> VirtualDarKness: actually, hangon
[12:18] <swoon> nautilus doesnt have tabs does it?
[12:19] <kezz> swoon there's an ndiswrapper howto on the website
[12:19] <HrdwrBoB> no, it doesn't
[12:20] <XrM> how can i avoid a pci card to be detected ? (the hotplug hangs at startup)
[12:20] <zenwhen> take it out :D
[12:20] <HrdwrBoB> XrM: put the module in /etc/hotplug.d/blacklist
[12:20] <jintonic_> x says: (EE) No devices detected.... fatal server error: no screens found
[12:21] <XrM> thanks HrdwrBoB, but wich module ?
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> XrM: whichever module that's causing it to hang
[12:21] <XrM> it's a TwinHan DVB-S card
[12:21] <XrM> i don't know
[12:21] <VirtualDarKness> HrdwrBoB, thanks.
[12:22] <XrM> there is no debug display, just hang
[12:22] <mwh_> Hi, when I try to open something with Nautilus it stalls for a very long time, then opens, for example the trashcan or the home dir, anyone know what might cause it?
[12:22] <swoon> kezz I still need to get ndiswrapper-utils off the repositories, I can only connect via ndiswrapper see... so I need to get it now so I can install it when Im in ubuntu (now Im in mepis livecd)
[12:23] <kezz> i c
[12:23] <kezz> 2 secs
[12:23] <swoon> ok
[12:23] <kezz> warty?
[12:23] <swoon> yes
[12:23] <VirtualDarKness> another thing.. some time ago with isdn4linux I had the number of incoming call displayed on dmesg.. I don't need the isdn card for connect to the internet right now but I'd like to be able to see that numbers
[12:24] <swoon> VirualDarKness I love tabs on things also, you could use konqueror in gnome if you wanted to
[12:24] <VirtualDarKness> ..I followed the isdn howto and the module seems to load fine but I get no numbers in dmesg when I try to call myself.. is that the new module handles it in a different way?
[12:24] <kezz> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/
[12:24] <swoon> thanks kezz
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> VirtualDarKness: quite possible, You'd have to go to the isdn people for help with that
[12:25] <VirtualDarKness> swoon, I mean that having gedit opening a new tab instead of a new gedit window when you double click to a text file in nautilus
[12:25] <HrdwrBoB> VirtualDarKness: VirtualDarKness right click on a text file
[12:25] <swoon> oh sorry
[12:25] <HrdwrBoB> click on 'Open With'
[12:25] <VirtualDarKness> HrdwrBoB, who are isdn ppl? ;)
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> I don't know, I'm in australia, our telco killed ISN by charging too much for it
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> then click 'Add'
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> then type gedit --new-document
[12:28] <mwh_> hmm I can open folders on my desktop allright
[12:28] <VirtualDarKness> HrdwrBoB, doesn't seems to work..
[12:28] <mwh_> but if I do something like nautilus /home/foo .. nautilus just stalls
[12:29] <Cloudchaser> anyone using firefox 1.0?
[12:30] <ZzeCoOl> Cloudchaser: ?
[12:30] <ZzeCoOl> what about firefox
[12:30] <Cloudchaser> my sis in law just installed it..i have firefox .9.3
[12:30] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[12:30] <Cloudchaser> she doesn't have preferences in the Edit section
[12:30] <Cloudchaser> i do...so i dont' know where they are in firefox 1.0
[12:31] <ZzeCoOl>  my sis in law????
[12:31] <ZzeCoOl> law?
[12:31] <Cloudchaser> to tell her how to allow popups
[12:31] <Cloudchaser> sister in law
[12:32] <ZzeCoOl> im not a native speaker and i  dont understand what sister in law means but nevermind
[12:32] <ZzeCoOl> if it isnt in the edit manu
[12:32] <ZzeCoOl> then probably it is in the tools menu
[12:32] <Cloudchaser> ah she's my husband's sister
[12:33] <Panquekas> hello! could anyone same how to put an USB modem working on ubuntu? because I read some howto's but I don't fine anything that I can do :\
[12:33] <ZzeCoOl> im wonderring if anyone using ubuntu manage to install 3.14.6
[12:36] <KING^^^> hello all , i have a question , after when I start dcgui from terminal it doesn't stops to show this
[12:37] <KING^^^> FreeDiscSpace: No such file or directory
[12:37] <KING^^^> FreeDiscSpace: No such file or directory
[12:37] <KING^^^> over and over
[12:38] <KING^^^> what is wrong ?
[12:38] <VirtualDarKness> HrdwrBoB, it seems that if I add a parameter into the open with dialog, after the program name, gnome doesn't take it
[12:42] <KING^^^> no one can help me ?
[12:44] <UnderPar> anyone know what i need to fix this error I am trying to run totem  >>>>> tmw_aspect_ratio_square_menu_item
[12:55] <VirtualDarKness> HrdwrBoB, the gedit --new-document doesn't seems to work at all..
[01:01] <swim> hay folks, a couple of things, how can I test hibernate (save to disk) ?
[01:01] <ycco> http://occy.net/inspiron7500   <--   man, my touchpad not working is quite annoying.
[01:01] <KING^^^> i have a question , after when I start dcgui from terminal it doesn't stops to show this
[01:01] <swim> first... :)
[01:01] <KING^^^> FreeDiscSpace: No such file or directory
[01:01] <KING^^^> FreeDiscSpace: No such file or directory
[01:01] <KING^^^> FreeDiscSpace: No such file or directory
[01:01] <KING^^^> over and over
[01:01] <ycco> KING^^^: #flood for pasting more than 3 lines
[01:02] <swim> ycco: neither is mine, presario r3000z, can you hibernate (save to disk) ?
[01:02] <ycco> swim: haven't used that ever.  Hibernate or whatever... I always stay plugged in.
[01:02] <ycco> :/
[01:03] <KING^^^> so ... anyone cand help me pls ?
[01:03] <ycco> swim: this Dell Inspiron 7500 is too big to be a "laptop"
[01:03] <ycco> heh
[01:03] <swim> anyone?
[01:03] <_|Imanewbie|_> KING^^^: what ups?
[01:03] <KING^^^> after when I start dcgui from terminal it doesn't stops to show this
[01:03] <KING^^^> FreeDiscSpace: No such file or directory
[01:04] <ycco> ogra: know much about touchpad?
[01:04] <KING^^^> over and over
[01:04] <KING^^^> at every second
[01:04] <_|Imanewbie|_> KING^^^: no idea =(
[01:04] <ycco> KING^^^: what is dcgui?
[01:04] <KING^^^> dc++
[01:05] <KING^^^> u know ?
[01:05] <ycco> KING^^^: I'd think that would be something you could check with the developers aoubt.
[01:05] <KING^^^> ok
[01:05] <ycco> well
[01:05] <ycco> the developers of that application
[01:05] <_|Imanewbie|_> KING^^^: did you create a folder where you would like to store stuff?
[01:05] <KING^^^> yes
[01:05] <_|Imanewbie|_> and pointed the save target for it?
[01:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> did you set it as your storage folder?
[01:06] <KING^^^> yes
[01:07] <swim> man Im starting to feel that my only resort for linux on a laptop with all hardware working, might be linspire :( (havent tried it and never wanted to)
[01:09] <ogra> ycco: nope...and i'm on my way to bed....but here is something that helps: http://tigert.gimp.org/log/archives/2005/01/05/why-didnt-anyone-tell-me-this-earlier/
[01:09] <ogra> :)
[01:10] <ycco> ogra: tx bud.  night
[01:10] <ogra> night :)
[01:11] <_|Imanewbie|_> one single off-topic question anyone can recommend a game for me? Athlon Xp 2000+ GeForce FX 5200 256 MB ram
[01:11] <ycco> cool, I can bug Tuomas directly.
[01:11] <jintonic_> damn it
[01:14] <n00b> can anyone
[01:14] <n00b> tell me how to use linux and irc?
[01:16] <ycco> bbiab, /me trys
[01:18] <jintonic_> x won't start up, looks like my video card isn't autodetected by ubuntu, radeon 9200... how should i install the driver for it?
[01:19] <jintonic_> i tried using xf86config, generic radeon driver didn't work
[01:20] <sri> is the maintainer of the evo package here by chance?
[01:20] <tritium> sri, doubtful
[01:20] <sri> I wonder if they would update teh warty package of evo and apply this patch
[01:20] <sri> http://bugs.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=69611
[01:20] <sri> tritium: okay..the #evolution is somewhat unresponsive.
[01:21] <tritium> sri, I know, there are other bugs with evo, such at SMTP authentication
[01:21] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, how do I add new fonts that I downloaded :)
[01:21] <tritium> And evo-exchange is still buggy as heck too
[01:21] <sri> yes, SMTP is also kinda hosed, but it's more stable than what it was in hoary
[01:21] <sri> I'm tempted to upgrade to hoary
[01:22] <tritium> I'm using hoary
[01:22] <sri> but not until someone fixes mono
[01:22] <sri> but I need mono for tomboy
[01:22] <tritium> I switched to thunderbird
[01:22] <sri> thunderbird works iwth exchange?
[01:22] <sri> what about calendering?
[01:22] <tritium> No, but evo-exchange is useless anyway
[01:23] <jintonic_> could i do something like copy the configuration that knoppix comes up with (which works perfectly)
[01:23] <sri> yeah, I kinda need it for the exchange portion
[01:23] <sri> I love evo in any case
[01:23] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, have you tried 'sudo apt-get fglrx-driver'?
[01:23] <jintonic_> nope
[01:23] <tritium> It would be nice if the exchange connector worked properly
[01:23] <tritium> It doesn't seem to like 2003 Exchange servers with forms-based authentication
[01:24] <sri> nod
[01:24] <sri> I've got it working for mail right now
[01:24] <sri> and calendaring as well
[01:24] <tritium> And the evolution-exchange-storage is always crashing
[01:24] <sri> the problem is with the global contacts
[01:24] <sri> which renders the other two somewhat useless for sending mail since you can't access the contacts :/
[01:25] <tritium> We seem to have rather different problems.
[01:25] <sri> yeah
[01:26] <sri> I think I have exchange 2003
[01:26] <sri> how are you doing authentication?
[01:26] <sri> you have to use login@domain instead of domain/login
[01:27] <tritium> The server uses NTLM
[01:27] <etites> omfg i love this multiple workstation thing
[01:27] <etites> who here utilizes that?
[01:27] <sri> eh?
[01:28] <tritium> SMTP authentication type is NTLM/SPA
[01:28] <sri> omfg should be the name of a new kind of gun in quake
[01:28] <sri> ah
[01:28] <tritium> I don't administer the servers
[01:28] <sri> thats only SMTP, what about receiving mail?
[01:28] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, did you get that installed?
[01:28] <tritium> That's the only part I'm having trouble with.
[01:29] <sri> strange, I don't have that option to use NTLM/SPA for sending mail
[01:29] <sri> I have it set to exchange
[01:29] <sri> not SMTP
[01:29] <tritium> That's why.
[01:29] <sri> yeah, but exchange works fine and thats the right setting
[01:30] <tritium> exchange does not work at all for me
[01:30] <tritium> I have to use SMTP
[01:30] <tritium> and IMAP
[01:30] <sri> yeah, you need to make sure your authentication si correct
[01:30] <tritium> It is.
[01:30] <tritium> It's the connector.
[01:30] <tritium> It's buggy
[01:30] <sri> what version?
[01:30] <tritium> 2.1.2
[01:30] <sri> of evo?
[01:31] <sri> I have 2.0.2
[01:31] <tritium> yes
[01:31] <tritium> I'm on Hoary
[01:31] <sri> yeah, thats why I'm not moving to hoary :)
[01:31] <tritium> I doubt you'll find 2.1.2 any better than 2.0.2
[01:31] <sri> under realmode linux or something
[01:31] <sri> it might fix that ldap authenitcation problem I'm having
[01:32] <sri> someone submitted a patch but I hve no idea if it's been applied.
[01:32] <sri> if you get a chance, try using the login@domain method (unless you've tried that and it didn't work), things magically started working for me then.
[01:32] <sri> otherwise, it was broken for like forever...
[01:33] <tritium> I've tried every possible method
[01:33] <ObsidianX> is it possible to install ubuntu from the livecd? not like a program included but like a console installation
[01:33] <sri> tritium: okay, if you think it own't work, I'm not gonna press :-)
[01:34] <tritium> sri, Give it a try.  We have very different problems.
[01:34] <kosmonautti> What could be the reason that right after Ubuntu 4.10 installation was finished and I was brought to the login/welcome screen, my keyboard wouldn't work? Everything else like mouse etc.. worked just fine. I made a reboot and it worked after that, but why wouldn't it work right after installation?
[01:34] <tritium> I'm just going to wait a few months on evolution.
[01:35] <sri> tritium: yeah, thats cool.  make sure you check bugs.ximian.com from time to time.
[01:35] <sri> tritium: I'm assuming you don't have multiple domains where you are right?
[01:35] <etites> so none of you utilize the multiple workspaces?
[01:35] <tritium> sri, We do have several domains.
[01:35] <tritium> etites, What are you talking about
[01:35] <sri> we have teh largest exchange deployment that I know of.
[01:35] <tritium> ?
[01:35] <tritium> sri, Where are you?
[01:36] <sri> tritium: okay..
[01:36] <sri> tritium: Intel
[01:36] <tritium> What location?
[01:36] <sri> Hillsboro, OR
[01:36] <tritium> Oh, okay.
[01:36] <sri> and yourself?
[01:36] <tritium> Sandia Nat'l Labs
[01:36] <xaero> whats the default root pass?
[01:36] <sri> ah, cool.
[01:36] <sri> there isn't one
[01:36] <sri> you have to create a root account first
[01:37] <jdub> xaero: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:37] <tritium> There's an Intel pentium fab here in Albuquerque
[01:37] <sri> yeah, big fab site there
[01:37] <tritium> ever been?
[01:37] <sri> we designed that chip here :)
[01:37] <sri> never been there.
[01:37] <jdub> xaero: there is a root account (sri!) but the password is not set - it is intended that sudo be used
[01:37] <sri> been to Arizona though
[01:37] <tritium> cool
[01:37] <Cube-ness> intel fabs are everywhere it seems
[01:38] <Cube-ness> like on every corner in Chandler, Az
[01:38] <Cube-ness> hehe
[01:38] <etites> tritium are you using gnome
[01:38] <tritium> etites, yes
[01:38] <etites> see the 4 boxes in the bottom right
[01:38] <tritium> yes
[01:38] <kosmonautti> Is anyone else, who uses the AMD64 version of ubuntu, having problems with the powernow-k8? For me, at the boot time it gives the following error: "BIOS Error: numpst must be 1". What could fix this? Obviously Powernow! isn't enabled at the moment?
[01:38] <tritium> The workspace switcher?
[01:38] <etites> right click a program on the taskbar and select move to workspace 4
[01:38] <xaero> kosmonautti: amd64 ubuntu is shit
[01:38] <etites> itll disappear to the 4th workspace
[01:38] <tritium> etites, Yeah, I know...
[01:38] <kosmonautti> xaero: Why?
[01:38] <etites> xaero
[01:38] <etites> bad shit or good shit
[01:38] <xaero> bad shit
[01:38] <etites> then why idd you ask what im talking abotu
[01:39] <Cube-ness> bad as in good, or bad as in bad
[01:39] <Cube-ness> ?
[01:39] <tritium> you were talking about multiple workstations
[01:39] <etites> yea
[01:39] <xaero> amd64 ubuntu is crap imo
[01:39] <kosmonautti> xaero: what makes it 'crap'?
[01:39] <xaero> i dont like it
[01:39] <xaero> u have to run stuff in chroots etc
[01:40] <tritium> etites, just your choice of terminology
[01:40] <sri> jdub: yeah, I was going to type that sudo passwd thing next
[01:40] <kosmonautti> well, that's obvious
[01:40] <etites> ahhh pfft
[01:40] <etites> workspace workstations
[01:40] <kosmonautti> i like the ia32libs better ;-)
[01:40] <sri> heh.
[01:40] <tritium> etites, have you tried Ctrl-Alt-RightArrow or Ctrl-Alt-LeftArrow to switch workspaces?
[01:41] <etites> ok i get get friggin totem to play a dvd
[01:41] <etites> no i havent
[01:41] <etites> i just click
[01:41] <tritium> i hate mousing around
[01:41] <zerokarmaleft> etites, and Ctrl-Alt-UpArrow and Ctrl-Alt-DownArrow if you have multiple rows
[01:41] <kosmonautti> Why was my keyboard 'muted' at first boot?!? :P
[01:41] <jdub> xaero: you don't have to run anything in chroots... why on earth would you need to do that?
[01:42] <xaero> oh nvm
[01:42] <jdub> sri: better to explain how to use sudo than how to set the password
[01:42] <xaero> that was debian:P
[01:42] <jintonic_> zero: got the error: e: invalid operation fglrx-driver
[01:42] <swim> is there anyway to test hibernate (save to disk) for laptops?
[01:42] <kosmonautti> sudo <what you want to do as a root>
[01:42] <xaero> kosmonautti: whenever i use sudo it wants a password
[01:43] <jdub> xaero: your password. read the page i linked above.
[01:43] <kosmonautti> xaero: sure it does
[01:43] <izaac> wow amazin' ubuntu
[01:43] <izaac> xD
[01:43] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, sorry, it's 'sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver'
[01:43] <tritium> I'm still wishing for ubuntu on my iPaq...(hint, jdub)
[01:44] <tritium> I just installed familiar 0.8 with GPE, and I was rather disappointed.
[01:44] <jdub> :-)
[01:44] <kosmonautti> Basically, Debian is heading the right direction with it's AMD64 port if we consider the fact that they are using the dual architecture (or at least trying :P).
[01:44] <tritium> :)
[01:44] <etites> ok i have totem xine but it wont play dvds
[01:44] <sjoerd> GPE is actually quite nice
[01:44] <etites> xine does but totemxine wont
[01:45] <kosmonautti> etites: Why not use xine then?
[01:45] <sjoerd> but it's very very niche atm
[01:45] <etites> i want to see how totem plays them
[01:45] <etites> ive read the quality is better
[01:45] <kosmonautti> :P
[01:45] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, and then 'echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules'
[01:45] <kosmonautti> k
[01:45] <tritium> sjoerd, It's not running very well on my H3800
[01:46] <sjoerd> tritium: got an H3870 here
[01:46] <kosmonautti> ubuntu is the most beautiful amd64 distro to date :)
[01:46] <tritium> sjoerd, familiar 0.8?
[01:46] <sjoerd> tritium: yeah
[01:46] <tritium> jdub, what are you running on yours?
[01:47] <sjoerd> tritium: you mostly notice that familiar 0.8 is really new and not that well tested
[01:47] <tritium> sjoerd, Yes, I'd agree with that.
[01:48] <jintonic_> i got an unmet dependency... fglrx-4.3.0-k34n3l-w4d
[01:48] <sjoerd> there doing stuff quite different now, with someone else running the show..
[01:48] <jdub> tritium: erm, pocket pc 2002 or something, haven't got a serial cable yet.
[01:48] <tritium> jdub, Oh, my!
[01:48] <sjoerd> jdub: tsssss :)
[01:48] <diskord> i need to setup a printer but i dont think i have a root account in ubuntu; what do i do?
[01:49] <etites> is it not working because ubuntu seems to think its a cd drive
[01:49] <etites> it says cd1 in the totem
[01:49] <jintonic_> nevermind, fixed the problem... now i have another
[01:49] <sjoerd> tritium: have you ever uses familiar 0.7 and earlier ?
[01:49] <diskord> specifically im running some script linux-config to setup my printer and it is asking me for the root account password
[01:49] <tritium> sjoerd, yes, but I had always used Opie
[01:50] <jintonic_> subprocess preinstall script returned error exit status 2
[01:50] <diskord> can anyone help me?
[01:50] <sjoerd> tritium: GPE on 0.8 is a lot better then the previous ones
[01:50] <tritium> diskord, did you click on "Printing"?
[01:50] <jintonic_> sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:50] <mindphasr> Is mono stuff still broken in hoary?
[01:50] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, what kernel version are you running?
[01:50] <tritium> under System Settings?
[01:50] <jintonic_> whatever warty is
[01:51] <tritium> sjoerd, Oh, okay.  I have no prior experience with it to compare with.
[01:51] <sjoerd> tritium: Opie is much more developped and running on commercial platforms and stuff.. but it doesn't use an X server or gtk so it sucks :)
[01:51] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, cat /proc/version
[01:51] <tritium> sjoerd, That's why I switched ;)
[01:51] <sjoerd> :)
[01:51] <jintonic_> 2.6.8.1-3-386
[01:51] <jdub> sjoerd: who's heading up familiar now?
[01:52] <boogie> I have a ? about ubunto. I have been using debian 2.6 but have a problem with my nvidia drivers. Everytime I update I have to reinstall my drivers everyreboot any Nvidia users that can tell me if they have the same in ubunto?
[01:52] <ZzeCoOl> guys what are the diffs between Xfree and X.org
[01:52] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, ok 'sudo apt-get install linux-686'
[01:52] <jdub> boogie: there are nvidia packages for ubuntu.
[01:52] <diskord> okay that worked but i wonder if its using the driver i downloaded it said something about a gdi driver
[01:52] <sjoerd> jdub: Koen Kooi apparently
[01:52] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, and then try installing the ATI driver again: 'sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver'
[01:52] <jintonic_> will this take a while? :-/
[01:52] <sjoerd> jdub: dutch guy (we rule :)
[01:52] <jdub> sjoerd: ok, never heard of him :)
[01:52] <jdub> heh
[01:53] <jdub> as long as you don't spit at me, i don't mind if you're dutch :)
[01:53] <tritium> boogie, you shouldn't really be having that problem in debian either, but I haven't heard of that problem in ubuntu at all
[01:53] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, it might...ar eyou on modem or something?
[01:53] <boogie> jdub, so there are no NVidia probs like I described?
[01:53] <jintonic_> no
[01:53] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, otherwise no
[01:53] <jintonic_> completed
[01:53] <jdub> boogie: no
[01:53] <boogie> yeah it is odd
[01:54] <sjoerd> jdub: i only pestered you for having a dell, i did never spit at you :)
[01:54] <jdub> heh
[01:54] <tritium> I thought jdub had a toilet seat
[01:54] <jintonic_> doesnt look like anything went wrong with it... same error in driver install
[01:54] <jdub> tritium: not any more :)
[01:55] <jdub> well, i still do, but not as my main lappy
[01:55] <tritium> Oh, that's right...I remember now.
[01:55] <sjoerd> tritium: i'm hoping familiar 0.9 is somewhat more polished.. at least they have a release out again :)
[01:55] <jintonic_> or do i gotta reboot for the new kernel to take effect?
[01:55] <tritium> sjoerd, I'm looking forward to it also.
[01:55] <jintonic_> proc version hasnt changed
[01:56] <Quest-Master> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10112 :\
[01:56] <zerokarmaleft> that shouldn't be what's causing the dpkg error, but go ahead and reboot into the new kernel
[01:57] <diskord> tritium, thanks i dunno if its using the manufacturer driver but thanks
[01:57] <tritium> Quest-Master, I tried qtparted recently, and it didn't work for me either.
[01:58] <tritium> diskord, What did you do to try to set it up?  Did you navigate the menus to "Printing"?
[01:58] <jintonic_> pci: cannot allocate resouce region 4 of device 000:000:002.1
[01:58] <diskord> yes
[01:58] <tritium> then what?
[01:58] <diskord> there is a driver from my manufacturer
[01:58] <jintonic_> i see that every time the system is starting up, does it mean anything bad?
[01:59] <diskord> i was using there installer
[01:59] <diskord> but i couldnt add the printer
[01:59] <diskord> i can add it from that menu you refered me to
[01:59] <diskord> but i dont think it is using the same driver
[01:59] <tritium> I see.
[02:00] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, can you paste 'sudo dmesg' at http://www.pastebin.com?
[02:00] <diskord> can i create a root account and then remove it?
[02:00] <jintonic_> ugh, i'd have to type it all
[02:00] <tritium> diskord, there is a root account, but you're encouraged to use sudo
[02:00] <ZzeCoOl> how can i search i spesific package with apt-get?
[02:01] <diskord> tritium, how do i use the root account
[02:01] <ZzeCoOl> specific*
[02:01] <diskord> if i cannot use sudo
[02:01] <diskord> for this
[02:01] <ZzeCoOl> then sudo passwd
[02:01] <ZzeCoOl> and this will open root acc
[02:01] <jintonic_> brb
[02:01] <ZzeCoOl> how can i search i spesific package with apt-get??????????????/
[02:01] <tritium> ZzeCoOl, you're trying to find a package, or a file in a package?
[02:02] <ZzeCoOl> packege
[02:02] <tritium> apt-cache search <package>
[02:02] <ZzeCoOl> ok
[02:02] <ZzeCoOl> thanx
[02:02] <tritium> sure
[02:02] <diskord> ZzeCoOl, you are wrong sir
[02:03] <tritium> diskord, sudo passwd should set a root password
[02:03] <sikon> is there a online updating area for ubuntu?
[02:03] <diskord> tritium, it does not
[02:03] <tritium> then you can log in to the root account using that passwd
[02:04] <diskord> brb
[02:04] <randabis> sudo passwd root will do it
[02:04] <randabis> not just sudo passwd
[02:05] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, 'lspci' is it the same as the pci device that's having resource allocation problems?
[02:05] <zerokarmaleft> is your ati card the same as the pci device, i mean
[02:06] <sikon> does everyone here use ubuntu..? or are just support for it?
[02:06] <diskord> weird
[02:06] <jintonic_> no, that device seems to be something on my motherboard
[02:06] <diskord> that config program dont like to let root login
[02:07] <diskord> well thanks everyone for the advice
[02:07] <jintonic_> 0000:00:02.1 SMBus: SiS: Unknown device 0016
[02:07] <sikon> need help diskord?
[02:08] <jintonic_> my video card is at... 0000:01:00.0 and same til last num (1) because its a dual output
[02:10] <jintonic_> said in words that might make more sense: there are two hardware addresses for my video card: 0000:01:00.0 (primary output; vga) and 0000:01:00.1 (secondary output; s-video)
[02:10] <tritium> diskord, I should have told you "sudo passwd root"
[02:10] <diskord> sikon, nah i giveup thanks
[02:11] <diskord> tritium, it worked i could login at the console thats why i left but that linux-config or whatever wouldn't take my root password
[02:12] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, what does the rest of the apt-get error message say...just above the error code (2) message
[02:12] <zerokarmaleft> when you try to install fglrx-driver
[02:12] <tritium> diskord, you might try sticking with the drivers that come with ubuntu
[02:13] <tritium> good luck
[02:14] <jintonic_> the first error is: dpkg-divert: 'diversion of X to Y by fglrxdriver' clashes with 'doversion of X to Y by fglrxdriver4.3.0'
[02:15] <jintonic_> sounds like... there's another driver causing a conflict?
[02:16] <jintonic_> i bet its because of the copy of the driver i got from ati.com
[02:16] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, yes, you'll have to remove it
[02:16] <jintonic_> how do you uninstall an rpm?
[02:16] <izaac> with alien
[02:17] <jintonic_> rpm -e?
[02:18] <zerokarmaleft> not sure - i hate rpm - but from the man page that looks right
[02:18] <zerokarmaleft> the driver shouldn't have any dependencies anyway
[02:19] <zerokarmaleft> use rpm -evv
[02:20] <jintonic_> cannot open packages index using db3 - no such file or directory (2)
[02:20] <jintonic_> cannot open /var/lib/rpm/packages.rpm
[02:21] <jintonic_> hrm
[02:21] <jintonic_> i think those are the same errors i got when i tried to install the crap
[02:21] <jintonic_> yup,
[02:22] <zerokarmaleft> so when you tried to install the rpm, it failed, but still left some partially installed files laying around?
[02:22] <jintonic_> how do i uninstall an rpm with alien?
[02:22] <jintonic_> it appears so
[02:23] <Adrenal> for some reason my /usr/bin/editor link is broken
[02:23] <Adrenal> how do i create a new one so that i can edit visudo
[02:24] <feAR`> can someone help me to make usplash in ubuntu?
[02:24] <jintonic_> i'm not seeing a switch that uninstalls anything with alien
[02:24] <feAR`> i use hoarty
[02:24] <zerokarmaleft> you're supposed to use alien to convert an rpm to a deb package and then use dpkg to install/remove the package
[02:24] <feAR`> please ;(
[02:24] <feAR`> :~(
[02:24] <jintonic_> hrm
[02:24] <jintonic_> then why is rpm even there? :P
[02:25] <jintonic_> to screw over poor fools like me :)
[02:25] <zerokarmaleft> does rpm have any query options to list what gets installed?
[02:25] <bob2> compatibility
[02:25] <bob2> it will warn very loudly when you try to use it
[02:25] <Adrenal> anyone, how do i repair my /usr/bin/editor link?
[02:25] <bob2> how did i tbecome broken?
[02:25] <Adrenal> i don't know
[02:26] <Adrenal> i think possibly install
[02:26] <Adrenal> cos just one i typed in visudo
[02:26] <Quest-Master> Can I safely install Python 2.4 alongside my Python 2.3 install without 2.3 being hurt at all?
[02:26] <Adrenal> i got visudo: no editor found (editor path = /usr/bin/editor)
[02:26] <bob2> Quest-Master: 2.4 is the default on hoary now, aiui
[02:27] <Quest-Master> I'm on Warty
[02:27] <bob2> Adrenal: ln -s /etc/alternatives/editor /usr/bin/editor
[02:27] <bob2> Quest-Master: you can install python2.4 to /usr/local/ then, safely, yes
[02:27] <Adrenal> the file exists
[02:27] <Quest-Master> :)
[02:27] <Adrenal> its just when i look in its properties
[02:27] <Adrenal> it says link (broken)
[02:28] <feAR`> someone..help me
[02:28] <feAR`> x] 
[02:28] <Adrenal> fear, whats wrong?
[02:29] <feAR`> Adrenal, i want to make usplash on my ubuntu hoary
[02:29] <feAR`> ;(
[02:29] <feAR`> but i dont know how
[02:29] <Adrenal> sorry man, we're in the same boot there
[02:29] <bob2> feAR`: there isn't anything in the wiki about that?
[02:29] <atom__> is usplash even functional yet?
[02:29] <feAR`> i installed it on my laptop.
[02:29] <bob2> Adrenal: ls -ld /usr/bin/editor
[02:29] <Crane> hello all!!!!!
[02:29] <feAR`> bob2, on ;} i cant find
[02:29] <feAR`> atariboy, no
[02:29] <Adrenal> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           24 2004-12-22 03:02 /usr/bin/editor -> /etc/alternatives/editor
[02:29] <Adrenal> which means?
[02:29] <bob2> Adrenal: ls -ld /etc/alternatives/editor
[02:30] <bob2> feAR`: how did you get it to work on your laptop then?
[02:30] <feAR`> i mean, i want bootpslash
[02:30] <feAR`> like in livecd.
[02:30] <feAR`> one guy from this channel, said, that there is usplash, not bootsplash x] 
[02:30] <Adrenal> /usr/bin/vim
[02:30] <feAR`> the same things with different names x] 
[02:30] <Adrenal> which is what /usr/bin/editor is a link to
[02:31] <bob2> Adrenal: and when you run '/usr/bin/editor', what does bash say?
[02:31] <jdub> feAR`: definitely not the same things; bootsplash is a terrible kernel hack.
[02:31] <bob2> feAR`: no, they're different things
[02:31] <feAR`> apt-cache search usplash, doesn`t find anything
[02:31] <jdub> feAR`: it's not in yet
[02:31] <Adrenal> No such file or directory
[02:31] <Adrenal> odd, it came up a second ago
[02:31] <esher> hmm, my mouse-clicks dont work correctly all at once on x, only every 3-4 try works... on vncserver all works fine ?! any idea ?
[02:31] <feAR`> ok, than sorry :) it`s possible to run it?
[02:31] <feAR`> where to get..
[02:32] <esher> and, i dont touch the X11-Config or so
[02:32] <jdub> feAR`: it's not ready for testing yet
[02:33] <atom__> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash/view?searchterm=usplash
[02:33] <jintonic_> hrm
[02:33] <feAR`> jdub, ;( so ;( now i must to wait unstable version of usplash ?
[02:33] <feAR`> ;)
[02:33] <atom__> feAR`: getting bootsplash or fbsplash is theoretically possible, but its going to be a lot of hacking
[02:33] <feAR`> atom__, i know :)
[02:33] <feAR`> i`m gentoo user ;-))
[02:34] <jdub> feAR`: when it's ready, it'll be in hoary
[02:34] <Adrenal> bob2: I'm guessing i should just make a new link named editor and replace the broken one with it. How would i go about creating a link to /urs/bin/vim.org?
[02:34] <feAR`> it`s easy there..
[02:34] <feAR`> jdub, ok, clear
[02:34] <feAR`> thanks
[02:34] <atom__> feAR`: as am i, but the runlevels arent configured for splash in ubuntu like they are in gentoo
[02:34] <feAR`> atom__, ok then..
[02:34] <feAR`> i`m waiting then
[02:34] <ObsidianX> is it possible to install ubuntu from the livecd? not like a program included but like a console installation
[02:35] <atom__> feAR`:  you can try http://www.desktop-linux.net/bootsplash.htm it may work
[02:35] <jintonic_> hrm... should i just reinstall ubuntu?
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> ObsidianX: no
[02:38] <atom__> jintonic_: for what reason?
[02:38] <Adrenal> done it
[02:38] <feAR`> tanks atom__
[02:38] <Adrenal> fixed it myself
[02:38] <bob2> Adrenal: I don't think that's the problem
[02:38] <jintonic_> a driver conflict with my video card
[02:38] <Adrenal> oh it was
[02:38] <Adrenal> thanks\
[02:38] <Adrenal> later
[02:38] <feAR`> ok, good night
[02:38] <dissidentcitizen> hey guys, I'm having a problem with ubuntu recognising that I'm connected to a power source. It's been fine for the most part just the last few times I've logged in it says its running on battery power, any ideas?
[02:38] <ObsidianX> HrdwrBoB, and why is that?
[02:39] <jdub> ObsidianX: because... there's nothing there to do that.
[02:39] <bob2> dissidentcitizen: are you using sleep?
[02:39] <ObsidianX> jdub, i can't download anything?
[02:40] <ObsidianX> thatll let me install it
[02:40] <jintonic_> this is kinda silly... i just mounted my ipod to a dir but i cant seem to access it :P
[02:40] <jdub> ObsidianX: the installer cd...
[02:40] <ObsidianX> the installer cd is messed up
[02:40] <ObsidianX> it doesnt want to work
[02:40] <calc> ubuntu hoary amd64 2.6.9 just fell over when i nmap scanned the box, whee :\
[02:40] <jintonic_> permission denied...  so i try: sudo cd ipod... command not found
[02:40] <dissidentcitizen> no, this is after I installed my winmodem and restarted and it went to battery
[02:41] <calc> 2.6.10 seems to work ok, i don't know if i want to attempt to reproduce the crash on 2.6.9 though ;)
[02:44] <dissidentcitizen> turned the power off, same problem, tried a different socket, same problem. Booted into windows and it recognises it :(
[02:44] <jintonic_> how do i change the file permissions for a folder so that anyone can access it?
[02:44] <jintonic_> chmod <folder> ....
[02:44] <ObsidianX> are there any pre-release hoary cd's
[02:44] <bob2> ObsidianX: yes
[02:44] <jdub> ObsidianX: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[02:44] <ObsidianX> sweet, thanks
[02:44] <jintonic_> anybody?
[02:44] <dissidentcitizen> so nobody else has had this problem? I think its still drawing power from the socket though, because the battery has been at 97% for about 10 minutes now its just weird its not recognising that its running off the mains
[02:45] <bob2> jintonic_: you can't use sudo with cd
[02:45] <bob2> jintonic_: cd isn't a command, it's bulit-in to your shell.  maybe you want 'sudo -s'?
[02:45] <atom__> dissidentcitizen: i'm not too familiar with linux on the laptop, but does acpi play into the battery equation? have you checked that?
[02:45] <jintonic_> ok, so how do i get in there?
[02:45] <jintonic_> hrm.,.. sudo -s seems like su
[02:46] <bob2> yes
[02:46] <dissidentcitizen> I'm not sure either, to be honest I'm a total linux nobb, just migrated a week ago.....any ideas what to check?
[02:46] <jintonic_> hrm... but can i just change the file permissions so i dont have to su every time i wanna access my ipod?
[02:47] <bob2> dissidentcitizen: what does " cat /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/AC/state" print out?
[02:47] <bob2> jintonic_: change the mount options to include the option 'umask=002'
[02:48] <SNaK3> hi, anyone running ubuntu with an promise pdc20276 ata-raid controller?
[02:48] <dissidentcitizen> bob_2: sorry I'm having trouble entering in the command, it says no such file or directory, is this a terminal command?
[02:49] <atom__> dissidentcitizen: yes
[02:49] <mjg59> bob2: the ac adapter is not necessarily called AC
[02:49] <jintonic_> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda2 /mnt/ipod umask=002 seems to be somwhow invalid
[02:49] <mjg59> diskord: Try cat /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/*/state
[02:49] <mjg59> Uh, not diskord.
[02:50] <mjg59> dissidentcitizen: Try cat /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/*/state
[02:50] <bob2> mjg59: oh man
[02:50] <mjg59> bob2: See keybuk's laptop
[02:50] <dissidentcitizen> says off-line
[02:50] <dissidentcitizen> thanks for the help btw mjg59 :)
[02:50] <bob2> mjg59: of course, it'd have to be his
[02:51] <jintonic_> adding umask=002 causes an error
[02:51] <dissidentcitizen> hmmm, well i suppose this is just a minor niggle not really important, the battery metre is actually going up so its cearly drawing power I'm just wondering why it still says its running on batteries
[02:51] <bob2> jintonic_: you need to add it to the right place...
[02:52] <bob2> jintonic_: how are you mounting it?
[02:52] <mjg59> dissidentcitizen: Ok, on some machines ACPI occasionally fails to notice that you've plugged in the PSU
[02:52] <jintonic_> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda2 /mnt/ipod umask=002 seems to be somwhow invalid
[02:52] <bob2> yes
[02:53] <jintonic_> that command without umask=002 works
[02:53] <bob2> the man page explains how you want to use 'sudo mount -t vfat -o umask=002 /dev/sda2 /mnt/ipod'
[02:53] <dissidentcitizen> mjg59: is that something we can fix?
[02:53] <jintonic_> there we go, thank you :)
[02:54] <mjg59> dissidentcitizen: A later kernel may improve that, but you'll probably need to wait until Hoary is released for that
[02:55] <dissidentcitizen> ok, I'm planning on reinstalling anyway so maybe that will sort it out. Its just random because it recognised it fine over the last week and just now it dropped out....strange
[02:56] <dissidentcitizen> anyway thanks for all the help guys, and not just today. I've had quite a few teething problems this past week but you guys in the channel here have been great, so thanks!
[02:56] <occy> nomasteryoda: you here?
[02:56] <occy> nomasteryoda: you see occy.net/inspiron7500  ?
[02:56] <jintonic_> heh...  that was funky.... computer just said cpu had reached critical temperature at 60*C and auto-shutdown
[02:57] <occy> nomasteryoda: good news: I have X on my 7500 working @1400x1050 (on Ubuntu)
[02:57] <occy> bad news, several other things aren't working.
[02:57] <Se7h> need some help
[02:57] <Se7h> libpng12-dev:
[02:57] <Se7h>   Depends: libpng12-0 but 1.2.8rel-1 is to be installed
[02:57] <Se7h> but libpng12.-0 is already installed
[02:57] <Se7h> :|
[02:58] <occy> touchpad, odd network lag, and battery on gnome panel shows 0% and it's "using" battery though I have power connected.
[02:58] <DanielC> Hey. How do I make Ubuntu recognize newly created swap space?
[02:58] <jintonic_> it must think its reading the cpu temp when its reading something else cuz the cpu is cool and always idles at about 49*C
[02:59] <jintonic_> and it was definately idle
[02:59] <pschulz01> Does Ubunto have 'ddd'? The default 'apt-get install ddd' doesn;t work.
[02:59] <occy> no clue why I don't have a /proc/apm
[03:00] <calc> pschulz01: its in universe
[03:00] <pschulz01> calc: cheers.
[03:01] <zombics> when i try to compile sim  i get this error: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[03:02] <EfaistOs> does someone use squirrelmail ? I dunno how to add or log in ...
[03:02] <EfaistOs> s/add/add user/
[03:02] <EfaistOs> is there something special to configure ?
[03:13] <DanielC> Does anyone know how to make Ubuntu recognize newly created swap space?
[03:15] <jdub> DanielC: add it to /etc/fstab
[03:15] <DanielC> jdub: ok. Do you know what the line is?
[03:15] <DanielC> I coulnd't find it on the mount man page.
[03:17] <edgarin> hola amigos de ubunto
[03:18] <edgarin> hay alguien aqui?
[03:18] <HrdwrBoB> hola!
[03:18] <edgarin> hola
[03:18] <edgarin> miren
[03:18] <HrdwrBoB> only speak english sorry
[03:18] <edgarin> tengo un proble
[03:18] <edgarin> ok
[03:18] <edgarin> hello HrdwrBob
[03:18] <edgarin> I no have sound
[03:18] <edgarin> in my computer
[03:18] <edgarin> no play .wav files
[03:19] <edgarin> no sound ubuntu sounds
[03:19] <Gul3> hey, where can i download the linux edition of planeshift? they don't have it on the website!
[03:19] <edgarin> perdon
[03:19] <edgarin> no hablan espao?
[03:19] <Agrajag> edgarin: try #ubuntu-es
[03:19] <edgarin> ok excusem
[03:20] <edgarin> Agrajag I no have sound
[03:20] <edgarin> but when install Ubuntu in my computer
[03:20] <ObsidianX> edgarin, what language were you speaking?
[03:20] <edgarin> the Ubuntu have sound
[03:20] <edgarin> ESPAOL
[03:20] <Agrajag> ObsidianX: that was spanish
[03:20] <ObsidianX> Agrajag, it wasn't quite...
[03:21] <Agrajag> ObsidianX: what?
[03:21] <ObsidianX> it might be a variation
[03:21] <edgarin> ok
[03:21] <ObsidianX> like portuguese or something
[03:21] <Agrajag> castellano? Whatever.
[03:21] <Agrajag> uh
[03:21] <edgarin> yes
[03:21] <edgarin> castellando
[03:21] <Agrajag> portuguese isn't a cariation of spanish
[03:21] <edgarin> castellano
[03:21] <edgarin> hablo yo
[03:21] <Agrajag> er, variation
[03:21] <ObsidianX> well, whatever :P
[03:21] <Gul3> somebody know anything about Planeshift? a free mmorpg. can't find it!
[03:22] <Agrajag> So.. you do have sound, or you don't?
[03:23] <edgarin> yes
[03:23] <edgarin> I don't
[03:24] <Agrajag> Have you checked the ubuntu wiki? There's a lot of information there on troubleshooting
[03:25] <Agrajag> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org
[03:26] <jintonic_> when i boot ubuntu i get an error from trying to modprobe pciehp
[03:26] <jintonic_> and another one... pcichp or something
[03:26] <ZzeCoOl> jintonic_: about the hotplug....
[03:26] <Agrajag> yeah, I get that too, on both machines. I'm fairly sure it doesn't mean anything
[03:26] <ZzeCoOl> i get the same error
[03:27] <jintonic_> okeydokey
[03:28] <jintonic_> hmm, should i download the stuff that setup asks for my to download?
[03:28] <Agrajag> yes
[03:28] <Agrajag> those are security fixes
[03:29] <jintonic_> okeydokey
[03:30] <|i|^dEVi|> can someone please help me
[03:30] <EfaistOs> so nobody use squirrelmail ?
[03:30] <|i|^dEVi|> hellooo
[03:30] <jintonic_> devi: dunno, ask away
[03:30] <|i|^dEVi|> anybody
[03:31] <|i|^dEVi|> i installed ubuntu..
[03:31] <|i|^dEVi|> and i cant seem to get online with it..
[03:31] <|i|^dEVi|> how do i make it detect my ext modem?
[03:31] <jintonic_> hrm... external modem... most of those are software modems... good luck
[03:32] <|i|^dEVi|> one more thing..
[03:32] <Agrajag> jintonic_: what?
[03:32] <nwp_> jintonic_: most *internal* modems are software, not *external*
[03:32] <Agrajag> I have NEVER heard of an external softmodem
[03:32] <nwp_> new ones these days, anyway
[03:32] <|i|^dEVi|> i tried reformating my hd and i cant seem to setup xp nemore..
[03:32] <|i|^dEVi|> i never said anything abt external internal modem
[03:33] <Poprocks> does anyone know what would cause Nautilus not to be able to browse smb shares correctly?  I'm running hoary and have gone through both an smbclient and gnome-vfs update recently and the problem still persists
[03:33] <|i|^dEVi|> i said i hav an external modem but i dunno how to setup dial up access in ubuntu..
[03:33] <ions2> I get no sound from audio CDs yet I see it being played
[03:33] <ions2> mp3s work fine
[03:33] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, add pciehp and shpchp to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to suppress those boot error messages
[03:34] <|i|^dEVi|> i think ubuntu really messed up my system..
[03:34] <nwp_> |i|^dEVi|: jintonic_ was just getting confused about the modem.
[03:34] <|i|^dEVi|> Veryfying DMI Pool Data.... and then i get a msg "Error loading operating system"
[03:35] <jintonic_> heh, and how about the hardware that is giving an error... 0000:00:002.1 i think it is... its some thing for my motherboard
[03:35] <|i|^dEVi|> like can anybody help me out with this one..
[03:35] <nwp_> |i|^dEVi|: well, if it's reformatted, then there's nothing there for it to load
[03:35] <nwp_> |i|^dEVi|: you'd need to reinstall a system before you can boot from it
[03:35] <nwp_> |i|^dEVi|: using a CD or other install media
[03:35] <|i|^dEVi|> but i tried installing xp.. i
[03:36] <nwp_> so, boot from the XP cd?
[03:36] <|i|^dEVi|> it formats, copies and everything.. but then wen it reboots it says something like verying dmi and then i cant get it to open..
[03:36] <occy> nomasteryoda: boo
[03:36] <|i|^dEVi|> the only OS i can install is ubuntu
[03:37] <|i|^dEVi|> and i cant seem to get ubuntu to detect my ext modem
[03:37] <jintonic_> veryifying dmi... sounds like node-locking
[03:37] <|i|^dEVi|> wat's node locking? please tel me
[03:37] <Agrajag> what
[03:37] <jintonic_> are you using a system recovery disk?
[03:37] <|i|^dEVi|> nope...
[03:37] <Agrajag> jintonic_: every computer I've used prints out that message just before trying to load the OS
[03:38] <Agrajag> it sounds like a broken bootloader
[03:38] <|i|^dEVi|> wat's a broken boot loader?
[03:38] <|i|^dEVi|> darn....
[03:38] <nwp_> |i|^dEVi|: the bootloader is the very first tiny little program that your computer loads from the hard disk
[03:38] <tintin> hello all
[03:38] <occy> |i|^dEVi|: sometimes known as a shoehorn.
[03:38] <occy> sorry, I couldn't resist.
[03:38] <nwp_> which then tries to load the rest of the system
[03:38] <|i|^dEVi|> oh damn... dat must be it
[03:39] <|i|^dEVi|> coz i think ubuntu didnt leave out anything wen i reformatted d hd..
[03:39] <|i|^dEVi|> as in.. it totally erased everything in my hd..
[03:39] <nwp_> Well, if you reinstall XP then XP should install a bootloader
[03:39] <tintin> if i want some packages that are only in debian can i just update the apt-get config files and get if from the debian servers ?
[03:39] <jintonic_> ive never seen that :-/ i remember having issues with using my sys recovery disks on my laptop because the dmi string wasn't right because the recovery was nodelocked to a specific dmi string identifying my laptop model
[03:39] <ions2> any ideas why an audio CD would fail to play?  Volumes are all unmuted and mp3s work
[03:39] <ions2> CD PLayer & xmms both fail
[03:39] <ions2> both seem to be playing the CD yet there's no sound
[03:39] <|i|^dEVi|> well i tried installing xp.. like 14 times.. but then yeah... same thing happens...
[03:40] <zombics> when i try to compile sim  i get this error: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[03:40] <Poprocks> ions2, hmm, do you have a cable connected from your cd-rom to your sound card?  I don't but it still works for me.. still it could be part of the problem
[03:40] <tintin> you dont have to reinstall xp you can always boot form the bootable xp cd and restore the bootsector from the text mode
[03:40] <nwp_> if you run the XP installer and you can't boot XP after doing so, it's an XP problem. Not to put too fine a point on it.
[03:40] <zerokarmaleft> ions, do you an analog cable connected from the back of your cdrom to the sound card?
[03:40] <zerokarmaleft> cdplayer and xmms don't play CDs digitally
[03:40] <zerokarmaleft> or not that i'm aware of
[03:41] <Poprocks> zerokarmaleft, it does for me.. but maybe only in hoary?
[03:41] <ions2> yeah I'm gonna crawl under here and look - it worked in XP so I can't imagine why it wouldn't now
[03:41] <|i|^dEVi|> it starts out by necessary system files.. then reformating then it reboots then the DMI prob agen..
[03:41] <jintonic_> i've got a fresh install of ubuntu plus the security updates.. at startup x doesnt work, i say yes to the request for more info... it says "module loader present"
[03:41] <Poprocks> ions2, xp does it digitally, so does my Ubuntu, but maybe it's only in Hoary where it's been configured to do so
[03:42] <jintonic_> i say yes to the request for detailed x server output, same thing... "module loader present"
[03:43] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, it's probably a video driver issue
[03:43] <occy> I fought the touchpad and the touchpad won.... I fought the touchpad and the... touchpad won.
[03:43] <|i|^dEVi|> does ubuntu automatically detect ext modems??
[03:43] <tintin> jintonic_: more info is what you need ... are there any EE tags ?
[03:43] <Poprocks> |i|^dEVi|, what brand of modem is it and is it usb or serial
[03:44] <jintonic_> when i do startx, i see (EE) no devices detected
[03:44] <Poprocks> |i|^dEVi|, but I haven't used dialup in several years so I don't think I'd really be able to help much.. but those kinds of details would be helpful
[03:44] <|i|^dEVi|> serial.. dlink...
[03:44] <tintin> jintonic_: did you do a xorgsetup ?
[03:44] <tintin> jintonic_: try that
[03:44] <jintonic_> command not found
[03:44] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, xf86config
[03:44] <|i|^dEVi|> wel cable/dsl is only for the rich people here in the philippines
[03:45] <tintin> |i|^dEVi|: it should be detected
[03:45] <jintonic_> i reinstalled ubuntu, last time i did xf86config using the generic radeon driver it didnt work
[03:45] <tintin> or can be configured
[03:45] <tintin> jintonic_: whats your video card ?
[03:45] <|i|^dEVi|> tintin.. how? =)
[03:45] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, 'less /var/log/Xfree86.0.log'
[03:45] <jintonic_> radeon 9200
[03:45] <Poprocks> |i|^dEVi|, well its device node is probably /dev/ttyS0
[03:46] <tintin> |i|^dEVi|: wvdialconfig ? not sure if its in ubuntu
[03:46] <|i|^dEVi|> yes it is..
[03:46] <occy> man, nvidia under Ubuntu couldn't be easier.
[03:46] <tintin> then use that
[03:46] <jintonic_> no such file or dir
[03:46] <|i|^dEVi|> ahuh.. thanks.. will try it now..
[03:46] <zerokarmaleft> hmm
[03:47] <ions2> the audio connector is not attached from the CD drive to the board - although it did work in Windows.  At least now I have an idea what the prob is
[03:47] <zerokarmaleft> i wonder why the generic driver doesn't work
[03:47] <jintonic_> well i don't have an nvidia card, i have an ati card... so that's what i'm working with
[03:47] <Locutus1976> Hi everyone, I am unable to install my epson stylus cx5200. It is not listed in the list of printers. Any ideas? this was working with FC3.
[03:47] <tintin> jintonic_: try the generic vesa stuff lets see if everything else works
[03:48] <tintin> Locutus1976: linuxprinting.org
[03:48] <jintonic_> how much memory should i specify? i have 128MB
[03:48] <jintonic_> VRAM, i mean
[03:49] <tintin> jintonic_: just dont worry give an enter
[03:49] <Locutus1976> tintin: Thanks, will take a look.
[03:49] <tintin> we can optimize it later
[03:49] <jintonic_> invalid amount of video memory :)
[03:49] <jintonic_> xf86config again..
[03:50] <tintin> jintonic_: ok give it as 128
[03:50] <junk430> hi guys
[03:50] <tintin> hello junk430
[03:50] <junk430> ubuntu nub here
[03:50] <jintonic_> its ok, i have done this enough times now that i complete config in 20secs :P
[03:50] <tintin> jintonic_: cool
[03:50] <tintin> what did you give for your mouse ?
[03:50] <junk430> I have it installed on a test box.. I'm having problems with slow DNS resolution, I all ready googled for the problem and dislabled ipv6 and it's still slow ideas
[03:51] <jintonic_> umm, 1 (auto)
[03:51] <junk430> I have no slow dns problems on my XP and osX boxes
[03:52] <jintonic_> ok, config done with vesa... same error
[03:52] <tintin> ok cd /var/log/
[03:52] <tintin> ls
[03:53] <tintin> whats in there ? do you see some log related to xserver in there among other things ?
[03:54] <junk430> is this like a common thing or a bug with Ubuntu
[03:54] <jintonic_> XFree86.0.log
[03:54] <jintonic_> aha, the F capitalisation
[03:54] <tintin> more XF*
[03:55] <jintonic_> ya want the first error i see?
[03:55] <tintin> yes
[03:56] <jintonic_> some stuff about fonts that don't exist... shouldn't by major
[03:56] <occy> heh, is there some smart way I can do something like:   apt-cache search gtk |grep engine `apt-get install $foo`  ?
[03:56] <occy> I'm not too smart on how to do that stuff.
[03:57] <tintin> jintonic_: skip that get onto the next one
[03:57] <jintonic_> it skipped a few things in libGLcore
[03:57] <jintonic_> libGLcore.a
[03:57] <tintin> any thing with an EE the rest you can ignore as garbage
[03:58] <jintonic_> what does EE mean? some kinda error precedence?
[03:58] <jintonic_> the first EE i see is no devices detected... at the end
[03:59] <tintin> the logs showe errors as EE warnings as WW
[03:59] <tintin> ok fine
[03:59] <jintonic_> II = information?
[03:59] <tintin> yes
[03:59] <tintin> more /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:00] <jintonic_> no such file, its xf86
[04:00] <tintin> move to the section which says device whats in there ?
[04:00] <tintin> jintonic_: ok xf86 config said writing to xyz file
[04:00] <tintin> open that file up
[04:01] <Locutus1976> Am unable ti install my epson cx52000. reading in google that I need to install a cupsys-driver-gimprint package from the universe repository. How do I do that?
[04:01] <tintin> apt-get install cups
[04:02] <jintonic_> hrm... so automatic mouse detection scans through all the drivers it knows of?
[04:02] <Locutus1976> tintin: this is what I get dstahan@inspiron ~ $ sudo apt-get install cups
[04:02] <Locutus1976> Reading Package Lists... Done
[04:02] <Locutus1976> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[04:02] <Locutus1976> E: Couldn't find package cups
[04:02] <jintonic_> cuz i've got definitions for all kinds of mice
[04:03] <tintin> jintonic_: stop intepreting stuff i dont know whats in there so it will be difficult
[04:03] <jintonic_> ok, in the graphics device section
[04:03] <tintin> Locutus1976: apt-get install cups*
[04:04] <jintonic_> driver "vga"
[04:04] <tintin> jintonic_: good thats what it should be
[04:04] <tintin> videoram ?
[04:04] <tintin> does it have a # in front ?
[04:04] <jintonic_> 131072, but yeah, its commented out
[04:04] <Locutus1976> tintin: it gave me loads of packages. Should I install all of them?
[04:04] <tintin> good
[04:05] <tintin> Locutus1976: the easy answer would be yes
[04:05] <Locutus1976> fair enough :)
[04:06] <junk430> is there any other fix for slow DNS other than disabling ipv6?
[04:06] <tintin> jintonic_: input device section
[04:06] <jintonic_> yup
[04:06] <tintin> jintonic_: what does it say in there ?
[04:07] <jintonic_> confusing, i think the driver for keyboard is "Keyboard"
[04:07] <Locutus1976> tintin: I install all the packages. I don't see my printer listed yet. Do I have to restart my system?
[04:07] <tintin> Locutus1976: no you dont  have to
[04:08] <jintonic_> and the mouse driver is either "mouse" or one of about other devices listed
[04:08] <jintonic_> 8 other*
[04:08] <tintin> Locutus1976: you need to get cups configured www.linuxprinting.org should help you with that
[04:08] <jintonic_> oh, duh, the others are commented out, nevermind
[04:08] <tintin> jintonic_: all of those are not commented out ?
[04:09] <Guardiann> jintonic what kind of printer
[04:09] <tintin> jintonic_: and protocol ?
[04:09] <jintonic_> no printer
[04:09] <Locutus1976> tintin: linuxprinting.org tells me to install the gimp-print driver which I just did from the cmd line.
[04:10] <jintonic_> protocol is "Auto", device is "/dev/mouse"
[04:10] <tintin> do you have a ps/2 mouse ?
[04:11] <jintonic_> its a usb mouse connected as ps/2 via a converter
[04:11] <tintin> ok fine it seems like its in order
[04:11] <jintonic_> so its probly the video card driver?
[04:12] <tintin> jintonic_: radeon 9200  must have a driver in there somewhere ...
[04:13] <jintonic_> only generic, no specific
[04:14] <tintin> jintonic_: replace vesa with radeon
[04:14] <neighborlee> anyone know the state of java in ubuntu or if not where it can be followed ?
[04:16] <jintonic_> using vim, i forget what to press in order to do wq...
[04:16] <Agrajag> escape
[04:17] <Agrajag> then colon
[04:17] <tintin> dont ask me about vim :)
[04:17] <jintonic_> its a horrible text editor but its installed on pretty much every nix
[04:18] <tintin> i use emacs or any microemacs
[04:18] <tintin> jed is on most systems too
[04:19] <jintonic_> in emacs, how do you get into the menu on the top?
[04:19] <tintin> F10 but i dont use the menus
[04:19] <gen> .
[04:20] <tintin> they are not nessary (menus in emacs is funny so i removed it
[04:20] <jintonic_> ahhh! stuck in menu hell!!! `ctrl+z!
[04:20] <tintin> C-x k will do
[04:20] <tintin> no need to do C-z
[04:20] <tintin> fg 1
[04:21] <tintin> you just put it to sleep it can wake up :)
[04:21] <jintonic_> ctrl+x+k?
[04:21] <tintin> Ctrl+x
[04:21] <tintin> then K
[04:21] <tintin> oops small k
[04:22] <crazyc> ny 1 can tel me how to install .deb package ?
[04:22] <crazyc> apt-get install package.deb dont seem to work
[04:22] <jintonic_> eh? that just kills the buffer
[04:22] <tintin> crazyc: tried apt-get install mypackagename ?
[04:22] <tintin> jintonic_: yes
[04:22] <gwildor> dpkg -i <packagename>.deb crazyc
[04:22] <tintin> jintonic_: if you want to get out C-x C-c
[04:22] <crazyc> gonna try
[04:22] <gwildor> kk
[04:22] <jintonic_> i use ctrl+z to just get out of abstract programs i can't figure out how the hell to get out of correctly
[04:23] <tintin> jintonic_: C-x C-c is to get out
[04:23] <jintonic_> that's pretty abstract
[04:23] <crazyc> gwildor, i have some dependency to install, any way of takingcare auto dependency ?
[04:23] <tintin> jintonic_: yes and very flexible at that ...
[04:23] <jintonic_> thanks tho :) i'll use that now
[04:24] <Poprocks> what's the equivalent of "cat /proc/pci" with ubuntu & sysfs?
[04:24] <tintin> jintonic_: emacs is like an operating system :)
[04:24] <crazyc> tintin, dat didnt wortk
[04:24] <jintonic_> yeah
[04:24] <tintin> crazyc: <gwildor> dpkg -i <packagename>.deb crazyc
[04:24] <Agrajag> an OS with a crappy text editor
[04:24] <junk430> hey guys.. really.. am I the only one that's having problems with slow DNS resolution
[04:24] <tintin> lol
[04:25] <jintonic_> hahaha
[04:25] <tintin> Agrajag: i wont bite
[04:25] <tintin> I'm using ERC Version 4.0 $Revision: 1.719 $ with GNU Emacs 21.3.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars, multi-tty, built 2004-12-28)!
[04:25] <Agrajag> :(
[04:25] <crazyc> tintin, tried dat as well have some unresolved dependencies
[04:25] <jintonic_> yeah, i prefer text editors to just be text editors, no fancy bullshit to make it impossible to use without spending 5min a day in the manual
[04:25] <tintin> crazyc: you need to goto the webpage of the package and find out what else it requires
[04:26] <crazyc> hmm
[04:26] <tintin> jintonic_: oh its no that bad it just increases your productivity :)
[04:26] <jintonic_> oh yeah! pico!
[04:26] <tintin> i can chat and program all at once
[04:26] <jintonic_> pico is nice
[04:27] <jintonic_> naw, decreases productivity horridly since i never use the extensions so they're just obstacles
[04:27] <tintin> jintonic_: tought learning curve and better results in the end ...
[04:27] <HrdwrBoB> pico?
[04:27] <jintonic_> anyways, this all started with my trying to edit one line of text :P
[04:27] <tintin> but yes intially you lose a lot of time
[04:27] <tintin> emacs
[04:28] <HrdwrBoB> the pain of dealing with the massive limitations of pico
[04:28] <HrdwrBoB> cost more time than learning any other text editor
[04:28] <HrdwrBoB> I mean hell.. use gedit
[04:28] <tintin> HrdwrBoB: he would but he has no x :)
[04:28] <jintonic_> not an option, trying to get x working
[04:29] <tintin> jintonic_: use whatever you want
[04:29] <tintin> and get the changes done
[04:29] <ari_> hi i need helpplese
[04:29] <ari_> :(
[04:29] <tintin> Agrajag: are you in the IAF ?
[04:30] <Agrajag> The what?
[04:30] <tintin> oh then you are not never mind :)
[04:30] <jintonic_> there we go, pico saves the day
[04:30] <ari_> someone who can help me
[04:30] <ari_> plese
[04:30] <jintonic_> change done, same error
[04:31] <trey3> ari_: usually more likely to get help if you ask a question related to your problem  :/
[04:31] <tintin> jintonic_: post the whole files somewhere
[04:31] <jintonic_> via command line?
[04:31] <tintin> yeah why not or dcc it to me
[04:31] <jintonic_> hrm... thinking of how that could be done...
[04:31] <tintin> hmmz that may not work i am behind a firewall ..
[04:32] <tintin> jintonic_: elinks
[04:32] <ari_> TREY:OK, IS ABOUT THE SYNAPTIC, IN THE REPOSITORY...
[04:32] <jintonic_> the text based browser?
[04:32] <jintonic_> doesnt seem to be installed
[04:32] <tintin> jintonic_: your best bet is dcc
[04:32] <tintin> try it
[04:32] <ari_> QHEN I CHOSE THE cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Wartho OPTION AND THEN REFRESH THE INFORMATION
[04:33] <jintonic_> i'm using another computer to talk to you
[04:33] <tintin> hmmz thats so difficult to deal with ...
[04:33] <ari_> APPERS THAT THE REFRECH FAILS
[04:33] <Codvx> Hey, I ordered my ubuntu cds about 3 months ago, Any reason i didnt get them yet?
[04:33] <tintin> Codvx: they take their own sweet time
[04:33] <ctd> ari_: Quit it with the caps, please. :)
[04:33] <jintonic_> codvx: you get what you pay for?
[04:34] <tintin> Codvx: besides i got 100 of them :) so maybe they ran out
[04:34] <jintonic_> hrm
[04:34] <Codvx> jintonic_:They should be honoured to send them to me, im great =P
[04:34] <jintonic_> hehe
[04:35] <tintin> Codvx: where are you located ?
[04:35] <jintonic_> hrm, dpkg install elinks?
[04:35] <Codvx> tintin: THunder bay, ontario canada
[04:35] <tintin> jintonic_: try a text based irc messenger
[04:35] <tintin> its a lot easier than text based browser
[04:36] <izaac> try irsii
[04:36] <izaac> it comes bye default in ubuntu
[04:36] <izaac> by *
[04:36] <tintin> Codvx: thats funny they shipped my cds half way around the world and it arrived sooner :)
[04:37] <Codvx> lol
[04:37] <jintonic_> hrm... i guess i could find a copy of bitchx on this computer, wget it on the other, and install that way :-/
[04:37] <tintin> Codvx: maybe you should have been greedy and asked for 100 like i did
[04:38] <DanielC> Hi foks. Does anyone know the fstab incantation to make swap space work?
[04:38] <Codvx> lol, I just got one 64bit, one powerpc, and 8 normal
[04:38] <tintin> Bigger packages first (maybe this guy will buy 100 licenses for his company )
[04:38] <ari_> some one who can help me, is about the synaptic, i  have problesms in the repository when i choosec drom:[Ubuntu.. option, and when its dowloading the list of programs appers a legend  that said that couldn't be donloaded all the index of the repositories , ples help :(
[04:38] <Codvx> ari_: reinstal;l windows
[04:38] <Codvx> lol, jk
[04:39] <Codvx> That used to be me solutiopn to everything
[04:39] <tintin> ari_: tried checksum on the cd ?
[04:39] <jintonic_> grr.... why does everything have to be case sensitive :P
[04:39] <tintin> cos u get more commands that way !
[04:39] <tintin> and caramel notation
[04:39] <tintin> and other nice goodies :)
[04:39] <Codvx> Ubuntu, ubuntu/ Hey, your right!
[04:40] <jintonic_> heh, yeah
[04:40] <ari_> tintin: i introduce the cd of installation to the cd- room?
[04:40] <Codvx> You have a special room for cds? =P
[04:40] <tintin> ari_: just a sec
[04:41] <ari_> tintin: ok
[04:41] <tmccrary> Has anyone else had sound problems with Hoary? Currently, I have no sound. When I boot it says something about i810 disabled in configuration.
[04:41] <tintin> ari_: you are triyng to install Ubuntu ... you boot off it
[04:41] <tintin> you have installed the base system ?
[04:42] <jintonyck> tada!
[04:43] <ari_> tintin: i have already install it, evrything worked well, but i tried to found a program with the synaptic the other day so..
[04:43] <jintonic_> how could i switch to the command line to copy xf86config into my ~ then go back into bitchx?
[04:44] <ari_> tintin: i desable the option of cdrom in the repository
[04:44] <tintin> c-z
[04:44] <jintonic_> then how do i get back into it though?
[04:45] <tintin> jobs
[04:45] <tintin> fg the no of the job
[04:45] <ari_> tintin:today a enable the option of cdrom in the repository and whuen i try to refresh the list, appers a window that said fails in getting the list from the cdrom
[04:45] <jintonic_> how do i kill the jobs ive been suspending :)
[04:45] <ari_> tintin:help me plees :(
[04:45] <tintin> ari_: get a md5 checksum for the cd maybe its corrupt or something
[04:45] <jintonyck> fg
[04:46] <ari_> tintin: ok
[04:46] <tintin> killall -9 commandname
[04:46] <ari_> tintin: how i have to do that
[04:46] <tintin> ari_: you have to goto www.ubuntu.com
[04:47] <ari_> tintin: ok, then
[04:47] <jintonic_> can i kill by job number?
[04:47] <tintin> they should have it in the download section
[04:47] <tintin> ari_: its a very small file less than 3kb iirc
[04:47] <subterrific> tintin: did you look at his problem?
[04:47] <tintin> jintonic_: ps aux will list all the processes
[04:47] <tintin> you can kill by the fourdigit no
[04:48] <subterrific> tintin: it has nothing to do with the checksum of the cd iso
[04:48] <ari_> tinti: i have to download that in that page
[04:49] <ari_> tinti: it is in the download option??
[04:49] <tintin> subterrific: he isnt able to get the list of all the files that could happen if the cd is corrupt too ...
[04:49] <subterrific> ari_: if the cd was corrupt he wouldn't have been able to even install ubuntu
[04:49] <subterrific> err tintin
[04:50] <subterrific> ari_: you probably don't have your network config setup correctly
[04:50] <subterrific> ari_: or your /etc/apt/sources.list file is messed up
[04:50] <jintonic_> can i killall processes that contain a specific substring?
[04:50] <tintin> subterrific: network config and the list on the cd .... hmm
[04:50] <ari_> subterrific:where i check it
[04:51] <subterrific> ari_: first, give me the exact error message you're getting
[04:51] <subterrific> ari_: you can copy and paste it from the dialog
[04:51] <ari_> subterrific:the last thing that you tell me because it worked well before
[04:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm new to ubuntu.  i'm looking for something similar to checkinstall for slackware.  i want to be able to go into a source directory, ./configure, and then run a command that will create a package and install it so that the integrity of package management is maintained.
[04:52] <ari_> subterrific:ok i will tell you
[04:52] <subterrific> ari_: well there are two ways, you can manually edit the file, it is /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: creating a deb package is somewhat more complicated
[04:52] <subterrific> ari_: or, synaptic provides a gui for editing it
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: however, the software you want is probably already packaged
[04:52] <tintin> BROKEN_LADDER: checkinstall works in debian too
[04:52] <regeya> BROKEN_LADDER: try 'checkinstall' ;-)
[04:53] <ari_> in the repository when chose cdrom ant i refrech it
[04:53] <subterrific> ari_: because you took the cd-rom out of the drive?
[04:53] <subterrific> ari_: just disable the cdrom repos, you don't need it anymore
[04:54] <ChrisC_> what are some good VNC viewers to try in Ubuntu besides xvncviewer?
[04:54] <jintonic_> how do i send a file via dcc on bitchx?
[04:54] <jintonyck> jintonic_ XF86Config
[04:54] <subterrific> ari_: in Synaptic->Settings->Repositories and uncheck the cdrom one
[04:54] <ari_> subterrific:really, because it worked well before without the cd-rom
[04:55] <subterrific> ari_: it will work until you try to do a refresh
[04:55] <ari_> subterrific:ok
[04:55] <subterrific> ari_: the cdrom repository can only be used if the cdrom is in the cdrom drive
[04:55] <subterrific> ari_: most of the time you should just disable it.
[04:56] <ari_> subterrific: my question is why it work before without the cd-rom
[04:56] <subterrific> ari_: it didn't, you didn't try to refresh
[04:57] <subterrific> ari_: i mean it works, it'll just give you a warning
[04:57] <subterrific> ari_: does it work now, after you've disabled the cdrom repository?
[04:58] <ari_> subterrific:so if i want to use the cd-rom i have just to insert the disc of installation of ubunto
[04:58] <ari_> subterrific:???
[04:59] <subterrific> ari_: yes, but everything on the cdrom can be downloaded, so unless you have a really slow internet connection, the cdrom repository is worthless
[04:59] <ObsidianX> hey why does the ubuntu not detect any partitions past 1?
[05:00] <ObsidianX> ubuntu install cd*
[05:00] <ari_> subterrific:thank you very much, let me check something ,and i will ask you again
[05:00] <StolenShoeBox> can anyone tell me how to burn bin/cue files?
[05:00] <ObsidianX> its loading the correct module for my ide bus
[05:00] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: with cdrdao.
[05:00] <mjr> StolenShoeBox, I hear cdrecord supports some of them nowadays
[05:01] <ChrisC_> ObsidianX, describe what you mean in more detail, maybe someone will jump in
[05:01] <ObsidianX> but then only /dev/ide/blah/blah/blah/part1 and disc are shown
[05:01] <mjr> StolenShoeBox, also, there's bchunk, which can convert from bin/cue to iso/cdr/wav
[05:01] <ari_> subterrific: let me see if the cd-rom option works when I insert the cd
[05:02] <Guardiann> is there a way of running k3b with out running it as root
[05:03] <ObsidianX> if i could make a block device pointing to the other partitions that would probably fix it but i dont know what the major/minor numbers are for partitions
[05:03] <bob2> Guardiann: with sudo?
[05:03] <StolenShoeBox> mjr: thx I are these "terminal programs"
[05:03] <StolenShoeBox> mjr: ima a newbie heh
[05:03] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: yes
[05:03] <StolenShoeBox> so how would I burn it
[05:04] <StolenShoeBox> somethign like cdrdao /home/some/soemthing/tehfile.cue
[05:04] <StolenShoeBox> ?
[05:04] <StolenShoeBox> and is it "bad" to install kde on ubuntu?
[05:04] <subterrific> ObsidianX: so basically your problem is that udev isn't creating a /dev/hdXN entry for the drive?
[05:05] <ObsidianX> its not creating any hdXN devices, i have to navigate through the ide directory
[05:05] <subterrific> none at all?
[05:05] <ObsidianX> i had to sym link hda and hda1
[05:06] <ari_> subterrific:i there is a messeage that appers "Couldn't be read the source list of packages cdrom://Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020) unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%204.10%20%5fWarty%20Warthog%5f%20-%20Preview%20i386%20Binary-1%20(20041020)_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 the directory doesnt' exist)"
[05:06] <StolenShoeBox> instead of burning it could I just mount the cue file?
[05:06] <ari_>  subterrific: it appers even with the cd in the cd-rom drive
[05:06] <subterrific> ari_: right, the directory doesn't exist because the cd-rom isn't mounted
[05:07] <subterrific> ari_: why do you want to use the packages on the cd-rom? just download them
[05:08] <ObsidianX> subterrific: any ideas?
[05:08] <subterrific> ObsidianX: you're having this problem when you're booted off the install cd?
[05:08] <mjr> StolenShoeBox, umm, no, but you could probably convert the bin/cue into iso with said bchunk and mount that
[05:08] <ObsidianX> yes
[05:08] <mjr> (also, you _probably_ could mount the bin file directly but you'd need to know the offset of the iso image data inside that file)
[05:09] <HrdwrBoB> you can use cdrdao to burn bin/cue
[05:09] <ari_> subterrific: it is because it worked well before without the cd in the cd.rom driver, and someone who install ubunto in the machine is engry with me becase i was the last i used the machine
[05:09] <HrdwrBoB> I just bchunk them
[05:09] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: cdrdao doesn't have any help output?
[05:09] <StolenShoeBox> mjr: how would I convert it?
[05:10] <subterrific> ari_: just disable the cdrom repository like i said 5 times and it will work
[05:10] <mjr> StolenShoeBox, I don't remember; run "man bchunk" in a terminal
[05:10] <StolenShoeBox> bob2: sure it does i just understand half of it =)
[05:10] <mjr> I don't even have it installed currently, I just remember using it once for that purpose
[05:10] <ari_> subterrific:and why it doesn't work even with the cd in the cd-rom driver
[05:10] <StolenShoeBox> is it bad 2 install kde?
[05:11] <ari_> subterrific: :(
[05:11] <jintonic_> how can i get linux cli to be able to use my mouse?
[05:11] <subterrific> ari_: you're clearly not paying any attention
[05:11] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: it's not "bad", it's just unsupported
[05:11] <mjr> jintonic_, install gpm
[05:11] <subterrific> ari_: i'm not helping you any more
[05:11] <StolenShoeBox> bob2: k =)
[05:11] <ari_> subterrific: plese dont be angry with me
[05:11] <ari_> subterrific:i am nervious
[05:11] <subterrific> ari_: you can safely ignore that error message
[05:11] <subterrific> ari_: to get rid of it, you disable the cdrom repos
[05:11] <ObsidianX> subterrific: if i knew what the minor numbers for the partitions were i could create the block devices myself
[05:11] <ari_> subterrific:someone is pressure me
[05:12] <subterrific> ari_: well tell them to fuck off
[05:12] <jintonic_> how can i get linux cli to run at a higher resolution?
[05:12] <subterrific> ari_: it isn't your fault
[05:12] <ari_> subterrific:ok
[05:12] <tintin> jintonic_: console ?
[05:12] <jintonic_> yeah
[05:12] <subterrific> ari_: that message happens when you take the cdrom out. it isn't a big deal
[05:12] <regeya> erm.
[05:12] <tintin> jintonic_: lilo
[05:13] <jintonic_> i'm using grub
[05:13] <subterrific> ObsidianX: why are you even using the console on the install cd?
[05:13] <subterrific> ObsidianX: just run through the installer...
[05:13] <ari_> subterrific:so when ubunto was installed
[05:13] <ari_> subterrific: all the programs  of the list  coming from the cd
[05:13] <ari_> subterrific:were already installed
[05:14] <subterrific> ari_: yes
[05:14] <subterrific> ari_: so you no longer need the cd
[05:14] <subterrific> ari_: it is pointless
[05:14] <bob2> jintonic_: it's a lot easier to just use X
[05:14] <subterrific> ari_: disable it in the repository list and get rid of the error message (6 times now)
[05:14] <ari_> subterrific:but if i want to desinstall a program
[05:14] <subterrific> ari_: you don't need the cdrom
[05:14] <jintonic_> heh, i wish i could, but i have (probably) driver problems
[05:15] <subterrific> ari_: after you've installed, everything can be downloaded. the cd is only for install
[05:15] <subterrific> ObsidianX: ?
[05:15] <ObsidianX> subterrific: i've resorted to the console because the graphical can't seem to make the devices on its own
[05:16] <mjr> 2
[05:16] <jintonic_> looks like this time sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver worked just fine :)
[05:17] <subterrific> ObsidianX: so when you get to the partition step it shows no devices?
[05:17] <ari_> subterrific:because the list of programs that have been installed already appers mark in grenn, and the question is that if i want to desinstall one of the programs that come first in the cd, still be in the list even without the cd source list
[05:17] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, did you do a fresh install of warty?
[05:17] <subterrific> ari_: yes
[05:17] <jintonic_> yes
[05:17] <ObsidianX> subterrific: oh it finds the partitions in the partitioner, but only because its reading from the 'disc' or 'hda' file
[05:17] <jintonic_> echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules returns "fglrx"
[05:17] <ObsidianX> once it gets past that nothing works
[05:18] <ari_> subterrific: ok thanks, wait a sec
[05:18] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, use pico or nano to edit /etc/modules and add a line with 'fglrx' at the bottom
[05:18] <jintonic_> its already there
[05:19] <subterrific> ObsidianX: define nothing works
[05:19] <StolenShoeBox> mjr: It worked great thx. Now i Just need to find out how to moutn it.
[05:19] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, ok, then the module should get loaded the next time you boot...
[05:19] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, do lsmod and see if it's loaded right now
[05:19] <subterrific> ObsidianX: like it won't partition the drives?
[05:19] <trialsd1> can anyone help me with my networking? I have tried two different network cards with ubuntu and I can't pull dhcp from the server, the same hardware worked fine with an old Debian install....
[05:19] <subterrific> ObsidianX: or it won't install packages
[05:20] <jintonic_> doesnt look like it
[05:21] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, have you installed the linux-686 kernel?
[05:21] <jintonic_> no
[05:22] <zerokarmaleft> ok, sudo apt-get install linux-686, then reboot and come back
[05:22] <ChrisC_> OK, newbie alert:  I need help getting DVD playback to work ... I discovered the totem movie player, but it says unrecognized/unknown cd type 0x0
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> what do i do to install a package, like a blah.deb?
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> bear in mind this is my first day as an ubuntu user.
[05:23] <zerokarmaleft> BROKEN_LADDER, sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> why sudo?
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have a terminal as root.
[05:23] <StolenShoeBox> How can I mount an iso?
[05:24] <zerokarmaleft> ubuntu was designed to do root things with sudo
[05:24] <ObsidianX> subterrific: wont partition/mount the drive
[05:25] <subterrific> ObsidianX: are you trying to do a custom partition scheme or just the default?
[05:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> it actually makes a difference?
[05:25] <jintonic_> ok, 686 kernel installed
[05:25] <tintin> BROKEN_LADDER: sudo makes more sense and is secure buy you can use the root terminal
[05:25] <ObsidianX> subterrific: custom
[05:25] <ObsidianX> brv
[05:25] <ObsidianX> brb*
[05:25] <ChrisC_> re DVD:  I did look at ubuntuguide, didn't work ... googled ...
[05:26] <jintonic_> lsmod shows the driver
[05:26] <ari_> subterrific:thank you very much and i guive you a apology if i exasperating you, thatks for you patients but you have to know what it feels like when you feel gilty fo unfix something
[05:26] <bob2> ChrisC_: don't bother with totem
[05:26] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, ok, edit your XFree config file and find Section "Device"
[05:26] <bob2> ChrisC_: read wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and use gxine or mplayer
[05:26] <zerokarmaleft> and change 'ati' to 'flgrx'
[05:27] <ChrisC_> bob2, thanks, reading now
[05:27] <jintonic_> i remember ati.com mentioned fglrxconfig, its a modified x86config it looks like
[05:27] <jintonic_> shoudl i try that?
[05:27] <trialsd1> help with my networking anyone? i could really use some ideas here, both the 3c905tx and rtl8139D are well supported
[05:28] <zerokarmaleft> i don't understan...is there a fglrxconfig file sitting in /etc/X11?
[05:28] <jintonic_> no, but it seems very much like xf86config
[05:28] <jintonic_> only difference is it seems more oriented to radeon hardware
[05:29] <zerokarmaleft> hmm...just make that one change to the existing config for now
[05:29] <jintonic_> with some stuff that makes a little more sense
[05:29] <jintonic_> ok
[05:29] <bob2> you really don't need firegl to get X working
[05:29] <tintin> ChrisC_: you need some libraries like libdvdcss and stuff (google for those libraries ) i dont think any linux version ships those
[05:29] <ari_>  subterrific: are you there??
[05:29] <bob2> trialsd1: module loaded? does 'dmesg | grep eth' show them?
[05:29] <ari_> tinti: thanks for you help
[05:30] <trialsd1> bob2: yes
[05:30] <bob2> trialsd1: does assigning an IP statically work?
[05:30] <bob2> trialsd1: has dhcp worked under linux before?
[05:30] <jintonic_> the amount of memory is commented out, should i uncomment it?
[05:30] <zerokarmaleft> don't worry about it
[05:31] <trialsd1> bob2: 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.27....eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xdc00, 00:09:a1:55:4d:70, IRQ 10
[05:31] <jintonic_> edited
[05:31] <zerokarmaleft> try startx
[05:31] <jintonic_> same error
[05:31] <bob2> trialsd1: does 'ifconfig -a' list it?  does assigning an ip work?
[05:31] <jintonic_> (ee) no devices detected still
[05:31] <trialsd1> bob2: static doesn't work, and yes I use to have dhcp working with this computer with the same hardware and an old Debian install...and I'm using a laptop with linux right now that gets dhcp fine....
[05:32] <bob2> trialsd1: sure the cable is ok?
[05:32] <ari_>  subterrific:thank you very much and i guive you a apology if i exasperating you, thatks for you patients but you have to know what it feels like when you feel gilty fo unfix something. I hope that you can see this message i have to go
[05:32] <bob2> that's almost always the cause of my weird network issues...
[05:32] <zerokarmaleft> hmm...you sure your changes to the config file were written?
[05:32] <jintonic_> yup
[05:32] <jintonic_> maybe i edited the wrong part though
[05:33] <trialsd1> bob2: yes, it's listed in ifconfig -a as eth0
[05:33] <trialsd1> bob2: I've tried switching nework cords, same deal
[05:33] <jintonic_> driver "fglrx" is insife section "device"
[05:34] <trialsd1> bob2: dmesg shows NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out errors...
[05:34] <zerokarmaleft> hmm
[05:34] <bob2> trialsd1: hrm
[05:34] <jintonic_> there's another section "device" above it that contains drive "vga"
[05:34] <jintonic_> driver "vga"
[05:34] <bob2> trialsd1: try asking on the list I guess, I'm outta ideas
[05:35] <ChrisC_> ooookay, I installed gxine, and upon startup, it tells me that "/dev/cdrom permissions are not sufficient".  /dev/cdrom is a link to hdc.
[05:35] <zerokarmaleft> have you tinkered with the config with xf86config after you installed?
[05:35] <jintonic_> nope
[05:35] <trialsd1> also is there supposed to be drum beats that keep repeating over and over after x11 starts?
[05:35] <bob2> no, only once
[05:35] <bob2> ChrisC_: do you have permission to access it?
[05:36] <zerokarmaleft> comment out the other "device" section
[05:36] <bretzel> hi bob2 :-)
[05:36] <zerokarmaleft> the one that specifies the vga driver, save and then try starting x again
[05:36] <ChrisC_> well, the symbolic link has lrwxrwxrwx permissions
[05:37] <bob2> ChrisC_: not the link, /dev/hdc
[05:37] <ChrisC_> brw-rw----    1 root     cdrom     22,   0 2004-12-31 18:06 /dev/hdc
[05:37] <bob2> are you in the cdrom group?
[05:38] <bob2> by default, you will be
[05:38] <ChrisC_> why wouldn't it have set me up in tht group already?  this is a vanilla install
[05:38] <ChrisC_> ok, checking
[05:38] <jintonic_> commented, same error
[05:39] <ChrisC_> yes, I'm in that group
[05:39] <bob2> does 'gxine dvd://' work?
[05:39] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, ls /var/log | grep XFree
[05:39] <ChrisC_> does it matter that it's not executable?
[05:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> where can i search for available debian/ubuntu packages?
[05:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need libglademm2
[05:39] <bob2> ChrisC_: the device? no.
[05:39] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: apt-cache search libglademm
[05:39] <nevyn> BROKEN_LADDER: synaptic
[05:40] <ChrisC_> several errors from gxine dvd:// ...
[05:40] <ChrisC_> no input plugin found
[05:40] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, is there an XFree86 log?
[05:40] <bob2> ChrisC_: you install libdvdcss, right?
[05:41] <ChrisC_> error from /dev/dvd, dang it the error went away
[05:41] <bretzel> ChrisC_: libdvdcss2 - and other thing that I dunno for dvd navigation
[05:41] <ChrisC_> yes, but lemme double check synaptic -- libdvdcss vs libdvdcss2?
[05:41] <amathis> Jacks_Colon: colons are SOOO overrrated
[05:41] <jintonic_> i made a copy of the old xconfig, tried fglrxconfig, different errors now... no matching device section for instance (busid pci:1:0:1) foung
[05:41] <Jacks_Colon> whatever
[05:41] <jintonic_> yes, the logs are there
[05:42] <Jacks_Colon> without a colon, youre nothing
[05:42] <Jacks_Colon> and a very messy person :-/
[05:42] <amathis> Jacks_Colon: I am a pancreas typa guy myself.
[05:42] <ChrisC_> libdvdcss2 1.2.5-1
[05:42] <Jacks_Colon> pancrei suck!
[05:42] <zerokarmaleft> can you restore the old config, run startx, and dcc me XFree86.0.log?
[05:42] <Jacks_Colon> you can take insulin to replace them
[05:42] <jintonic_> ok, how do you dcc with bitchx?
[05:42] <zerokarmaleft> heh, i dunno
[05:43] <Jacks_Colon> without a colon, you have a tube jammed in your rectum and you have to carry a bag!
[05:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> wow..ubuntu is sweet
[05:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> easier than slackware was.
[05:43] <bretzel> ChrisC_: Wow from what source  did you get the libdvdcss2 ????
[05:43] <ChrisC_> heck if I know by now :)
[05:43] <bretzel> :-)
[05:43] <Jacks_Colon> I AM THE GREATEST!
[05:43] <ChrisC_> may have been the marillat archive
[05:43] <Poprocks> bretzel, probably mariatt
[05:43] <Jacks_Colon> If you have a Colon, Please say "I"!
[05:43] <Poprocks> or whatever it's called
[05:43] <amathis> Jacks_Colon: you suck. literally.
[05:44] <bretzel> because I am dying to get it but my pat-get sources.list is full of ... sources but no luck to get it
[05:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i make apt-get recursively install any dependencies?
[05:44] <ChrisC_> so what's the difference between libdvdcss and libdvdcss2?
[05:44] <Jacks_Colon> you all dont have colons?!
[05:44] <amathis> ChrisC_: the 2 at the end.
[05:44] <amathis> o.o
[05:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> one probably adheres to css version 2
[05:44] <Jacks_Colon> you are very disguisting people!
[05:44] <Poprocks> BROKEN_LADDER, it does so automatically
[05:44] <amathis> BROKEN_LADDER: HAHAHAHAHAHA
[05:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> Poprocks: it isn't doing so now.
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> it specifically is leaving things out.
[05:45] <Poprocks> BROKEN_LADDER, tell me what you want to do and what it's not doing
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER>   libglademm2.0-1c102: Depends: libgtkmm2.0-1c102 but it is not going to be installed
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> trying to install libglade2
[05:45] <bretzel> mariatt : duh! I think I misstyped that section... checking!!! :-)
[05:45] <nevyn> BROKEN_LADDER: that means that the dependancies are broken.
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> broken?
[05:46] <nevyn> try installing each bit until you get to something that says "is not installable because...."
[05:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want it to install working libraries then.
[05:46] <Jacks_Colon> you all sux0rz!
[05:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> ack
[05:46] <bob2> Jacks_Colon: please stay on-topic
[05:46] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: you're using warty, right?
[05:46] <Jacks_Colon> ok
[05:46] <bretzel> hmmm same URL error -- In what dist ??
[05:46] <Jacks_Colon> the topic is colon's
[05:46] <Jacks_Colon> drink from me
[05:46] <bretzel> I put "testing" ?
[05:46] <bob2> Jacks_Colon: no, please don't
[05:46] <nevyn> bob2: that sort of bug should not exist in warty..
[05:47] <bob2> yeah, I know
[05:48] <ChrisC_> OK, let me try this question:  where do I get libdvdcss (not "2"?) from?
[05:49] <bob2> I doubt you want that.
[05:49] <bretzel> Poprocks: I need to know the distrib name for mariatt
[05:49] <Poprocks> bretzel, if you're using warty, use testing, and if you're using hoary, unstable.
[05:49] <bob2> I don't think testing works anymore.
[05:49] <Poprocks> oh yeah?
[05:49] <bretzel> that's it ! URL is not working anymore! :-(
[05:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> what does apt-get -f install do?
[05:50] <bob2> the url is not the problem
[05:50] <bob2> the packages are not installable
[05:50] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: you are using warty, right?
[05:50] <tintin> ChrisC_: google :) and maybe try the mplayer webpage for a link :)
[05:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> mmhmm
[05:50] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: -f doesn't do what you want
[05:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> warty warthog sir.
[05:50] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[05:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay
[05:50] <bretzel> bob2: Ok so you  know where we can get libdvdcss .?
[05:50] <ChrisC_> Yeah, but I've been there done that going around in circles
[05:51] <bob2> you don't need libdvdcss
[05:51] <bob2> you want libdvdcss2 or something
[05:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2: it TOTALLY did what i wanted.
[05:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> it fixed my problem.
[05:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> like nothing flat
[05:51] <jintonic_> hrm
[05:51] <bob2> well, you must have done something very weird to get into that state
[05:51] <bretzel> bob2: Ok but where to get it ? :-)
[05:51] <bob2> the instructions on the wiki don't work?
[05:52] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, i think you can '/dcc chat zerokarmaleft' to dcc chat so you can just copy/paste your log
[05:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's a brand new install bobby
[05:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> bobby bob bobo
[05:53] <jintonic_> something funky is happeneing now... startx returns "undefined device (video card identifier that i changed, here)
[05:54] <jintonic_> so its telling me an identifier that isn't defined in xf86config anymore...
[05:55] <ChrisC_> wiki stops with libdvdcss2 install, I still get "no input plugin found" and "read error from /dev/dvd"
[05:56] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, what did you specify as Driver in that section?
[05:57] <jintonic_> fglrx
[05:57] <ChrisC_> oh wait, it says to install libdvdcss2 "as well as mplayer and gstreamer plugins".  Sigh.  I already have the standalone gxine player.  What do I need now?  Oh, and mplayer isn't in synaptic, aww screw this I need sleep
[05:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is the proper way to edit the gnome applications menu?
[05:57] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, what's the value for BusID?
[05:58] <jintonic_> its commented out
[05:58] <jintonic_> but PCI:0:10:0
[05:58] <jintonic_> its an AGP card
[05:58] <Guardiann> i am really liking this distro
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[05:59] <Guardiann> fast and fairly easy to learn
[05:59] <drspin> Guardiann: I dig it as well :)
[05:59] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, change it to BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
[05:59] <Guardiann> the best one i have tried
[05:59] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, anything else in that section?
[06:00] <jintonic_> thats the section that the driver "vga" was in, that i commented out
[06:02] <jintonic_> it was saying that color depth 16 was unsupported... so i changed it to 24 and now it doesnt have that error but has errors about the mouse
[06:02] <zerokarmaleft> ok, if you changed the identifier, then you need to change the value for Device in Section "Screen" to match
[06:03] <etites> wehat the hell is a .MKV file?
[06:03] <HJ> where would i go to get the latest testing version of ubuntu? http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/sounder-test/current/ or http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/  , or would http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/weekly-dvd/ work too, since i'd rather use dvd
[06:03] <jintonic_> yup, i figured that one out, thats how i got this far
[06:03] <zerokarmaleft> ok, with the BusID change did you try again?
[06:03] <jintonic_> i'm checking, but i don't think i'm seeing any errors related to video anymore
[06:04] <zerokarmaleft> good
[06:04] <jintonic_> yeah, but the busid was commented out and in another section
[06:04] <etites> HJ... daily?
[06:04] <etites> does anyone know what a .mkv is
[06:04] <HJ> is it?
[06:04] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, well change the BusID for the Section where you specify Device "flgrx"
[06:05] <jintonic_> ok
[06:05] <jintonic_> the first error i'm getting is about the mouse, looks like /dev/mouse doesnt exist
[06:06] <jintonic_> thats the only error now, the mouse
[06:07] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, find Section "Input Device" and change Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" -> Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
[06:08] <bretzel> Hj: About weekly dvd of hoary - Did tried it ?
[06:08] <jintonic_> WOOHOOO!!!
[06:09] <jintonic_> x finally works :D
[06:09] <jintonic_> thank you :)
[06:09] <zerokarmaleft> awesome
[06:09] <bretzel> oops read did YOU tried ?
[06:09] <jintonic_> i better write all this shit down for next time
[06:09] <jintonic_> :P
[06:09] <HJ> bretzel: i'm asking is that a snapshot of ubuntu testing or ubuntu stable
[06:10] <HJ> and if not where i can get a stapshot of testing
[06:10] <bretzel> Certainly NOT stable !
[06:10] <bretzel> That's it it is hoary and I think the DVD is the best choice if you have - like me - a DVD burner
[06:11] <HJ> ok, cool
[06:11] <izaac> HJ: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[06:11] <HJ> i'm gonna give it a try then
[06:11] <HJ> izaac: yeah, just a little confused though. like what's sounder-test?
[06:11] <izaac> i dont know too
[06:11] <izaac> :S
[06:11] <HJ> izaac: and the weekly-dvd and daily are snapshots of unstable right
[06:11] <HJ> lol
[06:11] <HJ> ok
[06:13] <jintonic_> the scroll wheel isn't working in x
[06:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm so in love with ubuntu on my first day of using it, that it's really just quite silly.
[06:15] <Vaportrail> :)
[06:15] <zenrox> BROKEN_LADDER,  then dont make love to it
[06:15] <zenrox> hehehe
[06:15] <drspin> BROKEN_LADDER: perhaps you should reconsider the use of your... tool...
[06:15] <zenrox> rofl
[06:16] <hwm> I'm running the synaptic install tool to get and upgrade a couple of things and it shows failed packages... what does one do at this point?
[06:17] <jintonic_> yup, i've only been using ubuntu gui for a couple minutes and its pretty kickass... worth the hassle? probably :)
[06:17] <Guardiann> whats nice is i am getting everything to work so far ;)
[06:17] <drspin> Guardiann: took me about two days of tweaking to get it right ;)
[06:17] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, you'll have to add some configuration options to your X config file
[06:17] <zenrox> jintonic_,  yes its worth the little work to get it to do what i want
[06:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay, ever since installing ubuntu, it seems i can't use alsa..
[06:18] <Vaportrail> my only problem is the eSound Daemon delay, but this is a general linux prob
[06:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> like i only get sound if i use the gnome volume applet on "usb oss"
[06:18] <jintonic_> yup
[06:18] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, add Option "Buttons" "5" and Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
[06:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> i set the volume o 100% in alsamixer..
[06:19] <hwm> i've had not problem with sound on an ibm laptop... but I wonder what to do if synaptic fails in installing a package... try again later?
[06:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> ahh shucks..this kernel must be compiled with support for oss :(
[06:20] <jintonic_> ok, i'm in love now... it auto-mounted my thumbdrive and ipod :D
[06:20] <drspin> is there a way to configure gnome mixer to just use the alsa mixer and not show the OSS mixer?
[06:20] <drspin> without unloading the driver ;)
[06:20] <Vaportrail> jintonic_ don't forget to use a condom
[06:21] <jintonic_> no, i'm not gonna do the nasty with it, just pet it suggestingly
[06:21] <intrade> is this a live distro?
[06:21] <Vaportrail> :)
[06:21] <IBOIC> hi
[06:21] <IBOIC> ubuntu coming along ? :)
[06:21] <drspin> intrade: if you mean LiveCD, yes there is a LiveCD available :)
[06:22] <IBOIC> ubuntu free cd comes with live + install cd
[06:22] <intrade> i heard about ubunto on a forum
[06:22] <IBOIC> intrade:  You can get free cd from ubuntu
[06:22] <intrade> free shipping from switzerland
[06:22] <jintonic_> woops, looks like my keyboard isnt working :P
[06:22] <intrade> sanp
[06:22] <intrade> snap
[06:22] <IBOIC> intrade:  Yes mine was shipped from switzerland :)
[06:22] <IBOIC> intrade:  I think
[06:22] <IBOIC> im not sure
[06:22] <intrade> i like kanotix better
[06:22] <IBOIC> kanotix?
[06:23] <IBOIC> is that a new distro?
[06:23] <intrade> well lol thats a bit early to tell
[06:23] <intrade> its german
[06:23] <intrade> debian also
[06:23] <intrade> www.kanotix.com
[06:23] <ions> my system has decided to not boot past the modprobe fatal error for pciehp and shpchp
[06:23] <intrade> or /join #kanotix lol
[06:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> yay!  the new temperature applet supports kelvin.
[06:23] <ions> it's just hanging now
[06:24] <nevyn> BROKEN_LADDER: kelvin is all good.
[06:24] <ions> it was booting fine with the errors and now it's hanging
[06:26] <hwm> sometimes this irc is great - good answers and sometimes it's like talking to Redmond -- bye
[06:26] <intrade> any errors when it hangs
[06:26] <drspin> ok I'm off to bed
[06:26] <drspin> night all
[06:26] <IBOIC> ubuntu is #5 on distrowatch now :)
[06:26] <IBOIC> we are going up in the world
[06:26] <IBOIC> ubuntu ahead of suse :)
[06:26] <IBOIC> on hpd
[06:26] <IBOIC> for the month
[06:27] <intrade> suse is ass
[06:27] <Vaportrail> yast/sax is ass
[06:27] <subterrific> how is MEPIS so high?
[06:28] <Vaportrail> corruption
[06:28] <Vaportrail> :P
[06:29] <ions> any ideas on why my box would hang on pciehp and shpchp when it use to just move on and continue installing?
[06:29] <HJ> can't the ubuntu install resize a ntfs parition to make room? or should i use another program to do that?
[06:29] <jintonic_> whaddya use for yahoo messenger on linux? preferably something that supports file transfer and IMVironments and yahoo's emoticons
[06:29] <bob2> gaim.
[06:30] <IBOIC> gain doesnt do imvironments
[06:30] <intrade> yup gaim rules
[06:30] <IBOIC> BUT
[06:30] <IBOIC> imvironments = all ads
[06:30] <JackandJohn> gaim - wow I was impressed
[06:30] <subterrific> mepis has a poll on their homepage and it has fewer votes than people in this irc channel...
[06:30] <IBOIC> gaim has imvironments now or no?
[06:30] <JackandJohn> even after trillians
[06:30] <intrade> neither does yahoo messenger for unix
[06:30] <IBOIC> who uses IM now anyways :)
[06:30] <bob2> "imvironment"?
[06:30] <IBOIC> bob2:  Its some stupid yahoo ad based thing
[06:30] <IBOIC> brings up ads
[06:30] <intrade> gaim got all smilys
[06:30] <IBOIC> and does cute things like bring up donald trump who says fired
[06:31] <jintonic_> some of the imvironments have ads, not all
[06:31] <IBOIC> for aprentice
[06:31] <nevyn> bob2: it's like a fullscreen chat environment with a theme
[06:31] <IBOIC> jintonic:  ALL!
[06:31] <jintonic_> heh, ok
[06:31] <IBOIC> jintonic:  its all about marketting
[06:31] <HrdwrBoB> that sounds terrible.
[06:31] <IBOIC> some are just for yahoo marketting :P
[06:31] <intrade> skype is tops
[06:31] <nevyn> HrdwrBoB: it's really not terrible.
[06:31] <IBOIC> skype = spyware
[06:31] <intrade> nop
[06:31] <intrade> well not that i see
[06:31] <intrade> i called overseas
[06:32] <intrade> top voice
[06:32] <intrade> on 2kbs
[06:32] <IBOIC> how much is skype for calls?
[06:32] <JackandJohn> ok, question.. the process monitor in the bar shows 100% cpu, the task manager won't admit to more than 10% even with hidden processes.. what am I missing?
[06:32] <HrdwrBoB> nevyn: how could that not be terrible
[06:32] <intrade> free within system
[06:32] <IBOIC> u mean person to person?
[06:32] <IBOIC> or pc to phone?
[06:32] <IBOIC> most people dont have phone for voice yet
[06:32] <HrdwrBoB> anythiung fullscreen that is not a game
[06:32] <intrade> pc to phome like 9 c
[06:32] <IBOIC> err i mean pc for voice sorry
[06:32] <HrdwrBoB> us terrible
[06:32] <intrade> or so a min
[06:33] <IBOIC> i get free calling
[06:33] <intrade> pc pc voice free
[06:33] <IBOIC> usa + canada
[06:33] <IBOIC> thru my wireless phone offpeak
[06:33] <IBOIC> international i dont call
[06:33] <intrade> best quality voice better then yahoo
[06:33] <IBOIC> so i dont know
[06:33] <calc> JackandJohn: looking at all 7 numbers?
[06:33] <intrade> or eyballchat
[06:33] <intrade> check skype.com
[06:33] <JackandJohn> calc: all 7? looking @ cpu %
[06:33] <IBOIC> im networks are lame......... its all spam
[06:33] <intrade> for skype out calls
[06:34] <IBOIC> ims are all kiddies
[06:34] <IBOIC> no real business uses ims they have their own chat systems
[06:34] <jintonic_> wow... i could actually imagine using ubuntu as my primary desktop environment
[06:34] <IBOIC> jintonic:  With hoary yes........
[06:34] <intrade> k seyas
[06:34] <IBOIC> well if warty works then fine :)
[06:34] <calc> JackandJohn: not sure which app you are using but there are 7 different things when its split out
[06:34] <intrade> i am off to kanotix
[06:34] <calc> like with top:
[06:34] <calc> Cpu(s):  0.3% us,  0.3% sy,  0.0% ni, 99.3% id,  0.0% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si
[06:34] <calc> Cpu(s):  0.3% us,  0.3% sy,  0.0% ni, 99.3% id,  0.0% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si
[06:34] <IBOIC> warty still has alot of buggies
[06:34] <calc> er sorry for double paste
[06:35] <calc> user, system, idel, i/o wait, hardware interrupt, software interrupt
[06:35] <IBOIC> on the internet where can one reach the most amount of users at any given time?
[06:35] <jintonic_> how do i update to whoarie?
[06:35] <IBOIC> IRC?
[06:35] <IBOIC> lol
[06:35] <jintonic_> :)
[06:35] <IBOIC> i mean in communication
[06:35] <bob2> IBOIC: to do what?
[06:35] <IBOIC> bob2:  Communication
[06:35] <JackandJohn> ah.. found it by mem amount (forgot about top) - firefox had spun out of control
[06:35] <bob2> IBOIC: about what?
[06:35] <IBOIC> bob2:  overall
[06:36] <IBOIC> im curious as to where most traffic is
[06:36] <IBOIC> in the evenings
[06:36] <bob2> IBOIC: there are tons of studies on that topic
[06:36] <IBOIC> iboic:  Ok so whats the answer ? :)
[06:36] <IBOIC> or where can i find those studies
[06:37] <jintonic_> heh, gaim is packaged for multiple distros and they're all rpm format..
[06:37] <jintonic_> thats sounds kinda funky
[06:37] <bob2> gaim's in ubuntu
[06:37] <jintonic_> hey, whaddya know :)
[06:38] <JackandJohn> Calc; thanks :)
[06:38] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic_, use apt-get / synaptic to get software
[06:38] <bob2> http://in.tech.yahoo.com/041103/137/2ho4i.html is one
[06:39] <IBOIC> bbob2:  Bittorrent is bandwidth not communications
[06:40] <bob2> then you need to define communication more strictly
[06:40] <IBOIC> bob2:  I mean like yahoo chat, icq, aim, or whatever else people use to communicate on the net
[06:40] <Guardiann> does anyone know how to get k3b to burn as a user instead of root
[06:40] <bob2> I don't think it's a meaningful question, but ok
[06:40] <bob2> Guardiann: using sudo?
[06:40] <IBOIC> bob2:  Bittorrent is p2p
[06:40] <IBOIC> people like to warez
[06:40] <Guardiann> yes taher then sudo
[06:40] <Guardiann> hmmm rather
[06:41] <bob2> Guardiann: you don't want to use sudo?
[06:41] <Guardiann> not to open k3b
[06:41] <IBOIC> bob2:  Whats ironic is that the open source community embraces bittorrent yet they take copywritted works and they wouldnt get those works if they were open source
[06:41] <Poprocks> yay I got my webcam working :)))
[06:41] <bretzel> god night all - I am sleeping on my kb ...
[06:41] <Poprocks> anyone wanna gnome meeting??
[06:41] <Poprocks> :P
[06:41] <bob2> IBOIC: er, I don' thtink the "open source community" has any tolerance for copyright infringement
[06:41] <bob2> IBOIC: of their own work or other's
[06:42] <IBOIC> bob2:  I know there are legit uses, however most of the bittorrent transfers are copywrite infringement
[06:42] <IBOIC> bob2:  90%
[06:42] <dieman> IBOIC: so 'embracing' bittorrent is now contribuitory infringement?
[06:42] <dieman> IBOIC: thank god we have people other than you as judges.
[06:42] <Poprocks> IBOIC: but the FOSS community doesn't embrace that kind of usage
[06:42] <IBOIC> dieman:  What im saying is that alot of the users use copywritted works on it
[06:42] <IBOIC> im not saying all
[06:42] <bob2> IBOIC: there's lots of everything on it
[06:42] <IBOIC> i think bittorrent is a good thing
[06:42] <IBOIC> but
[06:42] <dieman> IBOIC: and, your extending that as contributory infringement
[06:43] <IBOIC> it has evil uses
[06:43] <dieman> IBOIC: take back what you said about the irony and I'll take back what I say.
[06:43] <bob2> um, copyrightr infringement is not "evil"
[06:43] <IBOIC> poprocks:  Of the GNUers yes, but most of the users arent
[06:43] <bob2> anyway, this is off-topic
[06:43] <Poprocks> yes
[06:43] <jintonic_> apt-get / synaptic causes an error: invalid opetation /
[06:44] <IBOIC> im just saying
[06:44] <DanielC> Hello. Is it worth upgrading the kernel to 'linux-image-686' instead of the default -386 ?
[06:44] <IBOIC> well
[06:44] <IBOIC> nevermind
[06:44] <HrdwrBoB> DanielC: yes
[06:44] <Poprocks> jintonic_: apt-get install synaptic
[06:44] <bob2> DanielC: can give a bit of a speed boost
[06:44] <DanielC> Yay. Ok, is it as simple as an apt-get install ?
[06:44] <DanielC> Is there a config step?
[06:44] <jintonic_> it says synaptic is already latest
[06:44] <bob2> DanielC: no
[06:45] <DanielC> ok
[06:45] <bob2> jintonic_: then you already have it installed
[06:45] <Poprocks> jintonic_: then you already have the latest version
[06:45] <Poprocks> it comes with it anyway
[06:45] <jintonic_> so i already have whorie?
[06:45] <Poprocks> whorie?  heh
[06:45] <jintonic_> :):D
[06:46] <bob2> jintonic_: er, no, you already have synaptic installed
[06:46] <IBOIC> ubuntu-offtopic to chat more on this
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> jintonic_,  too much gin and tonic?
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:46] <jintonic_> yup
[06:46] <jintonic_> tired after spending a couple hours getting x to work
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> i heard that
[06:46] <Poprocks> yeah I remember when it took me forever to get X running...
[06:47] <jintonic_> thanks again, zerokarmaleft :)
[06:47] <bob2> jintonic_: please file a bug
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> ycco was trying yesterday
[06:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> is my sound device probably /dev/dsp?
[06:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need to specify it in one of my apps..
[06:49] <BillyAnachronism> I'm having HEAPS of problems installing ubuntu-ppc
[06:49] <bob2> on a new world ppc?
[06:49] <BillyAnachronism> uh..
[06:49] <BillyAnachronism> dunno
[06:49] <BillyAnachronism> its like a G3
[06:49] <BillyAnachronism> (I don't usually use macs)
[06:49] <bob2> g3 imac?
[06:50] <BillyAnachronism> powerpc I think
[06:50] <Guardiann> ok people i am off to bed happy Ubuntuing  :)
[06:50] <BillyAnachronism> problems with installing the base
[06:50] <BillyAnachronism> it just stops for no reason
[06:50] <BillyAnachronism> I've tried reburning like 80 times
[06:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> well..there's probably a reason.
[06:51] <bob2> BillyAnachronism: you checked the md5sum of the iso?
[06:51] <BillyAnachronism> bob2, no
[06:51] <BillyAnachronism> is there a way I can do that in windows?
[06:51] <bob2> don't know
[06:51] <DanielC> bob2: ok, I tried google, but I can't figure out how to upgrade a kernel "the Debian way".
[06:51] <BillyAnachronism> also.. is there a way I can install the base from eth0
[06:52] <bob2> DanielC: install the package. reboot.
[06:52] <bob2> BillyAnachronism: yes, you can do a network install.
[06:52] <bob2> BillyAnachronism: you'll need to find out how to tftp boot your machine, tho
[06:52] <bob2> or find a net install cd
[06:52] <jintonic_> hrm... something is making web browsing go kinda slow on ubuntu
[06:52] <DanielC> bob2: That's it? apt-get install and reboot? Wow.
[06:52] <MacPlusG3> BillyAnachronism: what model PPC?
[06:53] <jintonic_> it takes about 7 seconds for google to load..
[06:53] <MacPlusG3> BillyAnachronism: some parameters to the bootloader should be able to select more advanced options... probably in FAQ
[06:53] <BillyAnachronism> MacPlusG3, I'm not sure.. its a tower, aqua and says G3
[06:53] <MacPlusG3> BillyAnachronism: does the description "Blue and White G3" sound correct?
[06:53] <BillyAnachronism> MacPlusG3, yes
[06:54] <BillyAnachronism> I couldn't find the parameters to install everything off the net and nothing by cd
[06:54] <BillyAnachronism> but I'll keep looking
[06:54] <MacPlusG3> BillyAnachronism: linux should have no problems on it.
[06:54] <BillyAnachronism> I'm also trying to find the net install cd
[06:54] <bob2> it sounds like a dud cd
[06:54] <BillyAnachronism> its a problem with the stupid media
[06:54] <BillyAnachronism> I've burnt heaps of times..
[06:54] <bob2> BillyAnachronism: you can install md5sum.exe and at least check the .iso file is correct
[06:55] <BillyAnachronism> ive gone through 5 cds and 3 burning programs
[06:55] <BillyAnachronism> bob2, ok
[06:55] <zenrox> bob2,  or check it off the install cd
[06:55] <bob2> oh yeah, good point
[06:55] <amins> help, I did: chmod -R 666 * to make all myfiles that I copied from Windows modifyable. Strange things happen: I can't read files in folder->folder.  How to fix it
[06:55] <bob2> amins: ouchy, that was a bad idea
[06:55] <bob2> amins: to be able to see into directories, you have to have execute permission on them
[06:55] <BillyAnachronism> ah actually
[06:55] <Poprocks> Mmm, I love how I can just install the kernel headers and not the full source!!
[06:55] <jintonic_> submitting a bug that the ati radeon 9200 le doesnt work with the generic radeon driver... what package should i blame it on?
[06:55] <bob2> amins: find /path/to/files/ -type d | xargs chmod 777
[06:56] <BillyAnachronism> I'm running the ubuntu live x86 cd on this machine at the moment
[06:56] <BillyAnachronism> how can I check the md5sum on linux?
[06:56] <bob2> jintonic_: warty?
[06:56] <amins> bob2: for all files one by one ?
[06:56] <jintonic_> yeah
[06:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone here have an sipphone?
[06:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> sip address?
[06:57] <zenrox> sip??
[06:57] <bob2> amins: no
[06:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> like an internet phone
[06:57] <BillyAnachronism> dw found md5sum, lol
[06:57] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: sip://6616@sip.us.mysql.com
[06:57] <bob2> BillyAnachronism: there's an option on the cd to check it, too
[06:57] <bob2> amins: it will do them all for you
[06:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> can i test my account settings by calling you?  i have speaker but no mic.
[06:57] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: sure
[06:58] <lifeless> MacPlusG3: cool
[06:58] <jintonic_> it looks like i should be blaming it on "debian-installer"? :-/
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> is it calling you?
[06:58] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: yeah, did you hear when i spoke?
[06:58] <jintonic_> or maybe X11
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> no.
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have /dev/dsp listed.
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm using a usb sound card.  should i maybe change to "/dev/esd"?
[06:58] <Poprocks> jintonic_: did the installer tell X to use the radeon driver?
[06:59] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: ls /dev/dsp* (you may have more than one)
[06:59] <jintonic_> no
[06:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> hmm
[06:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i test them?
[06:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> find out which one is right..
[07:00] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: "esd -d /dev/dsp" should play a sound when esd starts
[07:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> OKAY
[07:00] <BillyAnachronism> bob2, yeah I check it on the cd.. its under expert mode.. there is an error but its with like a screensaver file
[07:00] <Poprocks>   a cool sound :)))
[07:01] <MacPlusG3> BillyAnachronism: try to get one without errors :)
[07:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> esd is already running..
[07:01] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: "killall esd". then do it for each one
[07:01] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: and listen to where sounds come out from.
[07:01] <BillyAnachronism> the md5sum is the same!!!
[07:01] <ManiakNZ> Ques? - how have people found the success rate of the Live CD?
[07:01] <BillyAnachronism> this is insane..
[07:02] <bob2> BillyAnachronism: your cd burner is making bad cds then
[07:02] <bob2> BillyAnachronism: try burning at 2x or such
[07:02] <BillyAnachronism> I'll try burn under linux..
[07:02] <BillyAnachronism> ManiakNZ, I'm using it now
[07:02] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: killall esd; for i in /dev/dsp*; do echo $i; esd -d $i &; sleep 2; killall esd; done
[07:02] <BillyAnachronism> ManiakNZ, there are some CRAZY bugs
[07:02] <bretzel> uh! Nautilus burns DVD-iso images  out of the box! ? :-)
[07:02] <MacPlusG3> BillyAnachronism: check against the md5sums on the web
[07:02] <MacPlusG3> bretzel: yeap
[07:02] <BillyAnachronism> MacPlusG3, I just did
[07:02] <BillyAnachronism> the md5sum is fine
[07:03] <bretzel> Not sleeping yet I forgot I was donloading a DVD iso
[07:03] <bob2> the md5sum of your .iso is fine
[07:03] <bob2> the burnt cd is not
[07:03] <bob2> try burning at a lower speed
[07:03] <ManiakNZ> BillyA - thanks - I will try it on my wife's box and see if it likes that one......
[07:04] <amins> bob2, what I did was : #cd /mydata  #chmod -R 666 *    I can read all files in /mydata or /mydata/vi/    but not /mydata/vi/pics    it says Unknowtype   for the type, unknowndate under col DateModified in nautilus. What should I do ?
[07:05] <BillyAnachronism> uh crap
[07:05] <bugz_> where can i download all the security updates for ubuntu so i can install it offline?
[07:05] <BillyAnachronism> whats the program to eject the livecd so I can put another in temporarily
[07:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> it IS /dev/dsp!
[07:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> so why am i getting no sound?
[07:06] <bob2> amins: you should read what I said
[07:06] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: what voip software are you using? is it able to use esd
[07:07] <bob2> amins: you made all your directories non-executable, which means you can't read them.  ru nthe command I said to fix it.
[07:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> minisip
[07:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> i dunno..
[07:08] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: try killing esd and then running it
[07:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just did.
[07:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> it makes that sound.
[07:08] <amins> bob2, I already did   find /mydata -type d | xargs chmod 777. It doesn't work. Still unknown type in folder->folder
[07:08] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: i mean killing esd and then running voip software. i.e. so voip sware is running without esd hogging /dev/dsp
[07:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> hmm..
[07:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay
[07:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> i see
[07:09] <bob2> amins: find /mydata -type d -exec chmod 777 \{\} \;
[07:09] <jintonic_> the author of ubuntu bug 5240 returns....
[07:09] <jintonic_> :P
[07:09] <BillyAnachronism> can someone how to eject the live cd?
[07:09] <bob2> BillyAnachronism: you can't
[07:10] <bob2> it's running off it
[07:10] <BillyAnachronism> nah, I've done it before
[07:10] <jintonic_> billy: UTT
[07:10] <BillyAnachronism> jintonic_, ?
[07:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> drat..nothing
[07:11] <jintonic_> universal tech tool
[07:11] <jintonic_> paper clip
[07:11] <jintonic_> :)
[07:11] <BillyAnachronism> ah
[07:12] <amins> bob2, find /mydata -type d -exec chmod 777 \{\}\;     It says missing argument to `-exec`
[07:12] <bob2> oh well
[07:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> can't i ogg123 /home/brokenladder/MUZIKO/PEARL_JAM/Various\ Artists\ -\ Singles\ -\ 02\ Pearl\ Jam\ \ Breath.ogg -d /dev/dsp
[07:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> [07:12] <bob2> jintonic_: so install it with all of one command
[07:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> game = lame
[07:12] <jintonic_> yeah, but still
[07:13] <bob2> jintonic_: you can't have every random app anyone might want in the default install
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> why would ogg123 say no such device?
[07:13] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: -d oss
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> you mean alsa?
[07:13] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: that's now how the -d option works, man ogg123 explains it
[07:14] <jintonic_> bob2: redhat was trying ists damndest for that end... suse too
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh yeah..i forgot, this default kernel supports oss. :(
[07:14] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: no, it does both
[07:14] <bob2> you can use alsa if you want
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[07:14] <jintonic_> whats the package name for tux racer?
[07:14] <bob2> the important thing is making sure nothing else is using /dev/dsp or /dev/snd/whatever
[07:14] <bob2> jintonic_: apt-cache search tux racer
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> when compiling the kernel with usb audio, one is supposed to NOT compile OSS.
[07:15] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: if you made a custom kernel, the config is up to you
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> i already did that in slackware.
[07:15] <Rene_S> I want to compile the Nvidia 5336 drivers on warty, but it keeps giving me an error about not finding the module name and ideas whats going on there ?
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> right now i don't have the time because i have numerous other issues i'm tryin to tackle to get this machine off the ground.
[07:15] <jintonic_> its not there! :(
[07:15] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: why don't you just use the default Ubuntu kernel?
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> simply finding out the correct name of my audio device would be swell.
[07:15] <bob2> jintonic_: did you enable universe?
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> i am of course.
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> thus the problem.
[07:15] <bob2> jintonic_: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> it has oss support.
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> which is mutually exclusive with proper alsa usb audio support.
[07:16] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: please stop making claims
[07:16] <bob2> the default kernel uses alsa
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh brother
[07:16] <Poprocks> ubuntu uses alsa.. period
[07:16] <Poprocks> oss emulation maybe
[07:16] <bob2> it also loads the oss emulation modules
[07:16] <bob2> right
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh..it's the emulation?
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> then that's fine.
[07:16] <JackandJohn> on alsa.. I'm having a hell of a time.. is there anything special I need to do with my game theatre xp?
[07:16] <Poprocks> alsa and oss should all work but in the end it's all actually oss
[07:16] <Poprocks> err
[07:16] <Poprocks> alsa
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> no.
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> the howto's go out of their way to explain what i found out the hard way.
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> if you compile alsa and usb audio support, you CAN NOT compile oss support.
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> it will not work.
[07:17] <bob2> that sounds quite wrong
[07:17] <Poprocks> yeah, hence oss emulation
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> yup.
[07:17] <bob2> if it's true, I hope they have filed a bug
[07:17] <Poprocks> but you can have both, I'm pretty sure
[07:17] <Poprocks> I've never tried, I've always kept as far away from oss as possible
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah no kidding
[07:18] <JDahl> how much space does ubuntu take up for some of you devs here? My root partition is completely full and I cant figure out what's taking up so much space (3.5GB) - I just have basic Hoary + GNU tools
[07:18] <Poprocks> 3.5 GB is.. not a lot.
[07:18] <bob2> JDahl: default install is 1.8GB, build-essential is another couple of hundred meg or so
[07:18] <jintonic_> i dont see where it says universe
[07:18] <Poprocks> just how many extra tools did you install though?
[07:20] <Rene_S> Wtf do my questions offend people or what, I ask a question wait patiently and no one even offers a I dont know ?
[07:20] <Poprocks> then again.. I've installed quite a bit of extras and I'm still only using 3.2
[07:20] <JDahl> Poprocks, Python, gcc, xemacs, umfpack, + several others, nothing that should take from 1.8GB to 3.5GB
[07:20] <bob2> Rene_S: you want 300 people to say "I don't know|?
[07:20] <Rene_S> No just one thanks
[07:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> is using esd somehow better than telling an app to just "use alsa"?
[07:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> like say xmms
[07:20] <bob2> Rene_S: try asking on the user list if you don't get an answer here
[07:20] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: no, but it's sometimes neccessary
[07:20] <Poprocks> Rene_S: I could offer some ideas but I don't have an nvidia card so I wouldn't be able to help too much
[07:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> ahh
[07:20] <Poprocks> Rene_S: have you installed the kernel headers?
[07:21] <Rene_S> yes
[07:21] <Rene_S> and the source
[07:21] <Rene_S> and make a links
[07:21] <Rene_S> link
[07:21] <Poprocks> BROKEN_LADDER: and get GStreamer to use esd, which should be using alsa
[07:21] <Poprocks> err, it _will_ be using alsa
[07:21] <Rene_S> so i do what i have always done just it wont compile on warty its odd
[07:22] <Rene_S> would removing the nvidia kernel common package help ya think ?
[07:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't really use gstreamer yet, but i will when theora maures.
[07:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> matures.
[07:22] <Poprocks> Rene_S: fwiw, I wasn't able to build any kernel modules until I got rid of the kernel source, installed the headers and let the packs do their own thing
[07:22] <Poprocks> BROKEN_LADDER: what's wrong with gstreamer?
[07:23] <smitty> I'm trying to convert m4a music files into waves or mp3s. Is that possable with XMMS?
[07:23] <Rene_S> aight i give that a shot, thanks Poprocks
[07:23] <Poprocks> smitty: I'd recommend mplayer/mencoder
[07:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> nothing that i know of.
[07:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> and as i said, i'll use it when theora matures.
[07:23] <Poprocks> well you'll be missing out on some cool programs, but ok
[07:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay..maybe i'll give it a shot.
[07:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> right now i'd like to get minisip working ;/
[07:24] <Poprocks> well you don't have to ;-)
[07:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> MacPlusG3: hey.
[07:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> can you call me to see whether my sip phone will "ring"?
[07:25] <smitty> poprocks: can you tell me how to go about it in mplayer?
[07:25] <bob2> smitty: use mplayer
[07:25] <bob2> smitty: but it's way better to just rerip to ogg or mp3
[07:25] <jintonic_> apt-get kicks ass
[07:26] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: yeah... got a sip address?
[07:26] <Poprocks> smitty: I've always liked to have lots of control with my mplayer, so I build it myself usually
[07:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just called you!
[07:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> :)
[07:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> one sec
[07:26] <MacPlusG3> got an actual phone number
[07:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah why?
[07:27] <smitty> bob2: i downloaded them as m4a...so if i convert them to mp3's will their be a loss of quality in sound?
[07:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> 17476674278@SIPPHONE.COM
[07:27] <bob2> smitty: yes, don't know if it will be noticable or not
[07:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> what sip client do you use?
[07:28] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: i have a snom190 phone
[07:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh my f gawd!
[07:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> i lust for that phone.
[07:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> srtp
[07:28] <MacPlusG3> am getting Request Timeout
[07:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> of course, i will never buy a hard sip phone until it supports speex and diffie-hellman key exchange and whatnot.
[07:29] <MacPlusG3> have you punched the right ports through your firewall?
[07:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> ack..
[07:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm using a proxy.
[07:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> i thought that would take care of such problems.
[07:30] <crimsun> JackandJohn: use the snd-cs46xx driver with the new_dsp option
[07:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh try it at proxy.sipphone.com
[07:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> crap
[07:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> ahh..this sucks.
[07:36] <jintonic> where's the toolchain setup aide?
[07:37] <bob2> hm?
[07:37] <bob2> you mean the build-essential package?
[07:38] <jintonic> haha, oops, wrong channel ;)
[07:40] <bugz_> where can i download all the security updates for ubuntu so i can install it offline?
[07:42] <MacPlusG3> bugz_: you should just be able to download the updates url (wget -r or something)
[07:44] <bugz_> MacPlusG3, thanks...
[07:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> open /dev/dsp: No such device <-- why do i get this error, when /dev/dsp clearly exists?
[07:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> and i'm in the "audio" group and can play audio fine.
[07:51] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: do you have multiple sound devices? check /proc/asound/cards
[07:51] <zerokarmaleft> jintonic, yes apt-get does kick ass :)
[07:51] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: you might have a record-only device initialising first
[07:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's a play-only device.
[07:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> it has no mic
[07:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> 0 [AN1            ] : USB-Audio - MD-PORT AN1
[07:53] <BROKEN_LADDER>                      XITEL MD-PORT AN1 at usb-0000:00:07.2-2, full speed
[07:53] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: hrm, not sure (and unfortunately, i have to leave)
[07:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> does ubuntu have the autofs daemon running?
[07:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> is that how it's operating?
[07:55] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: does `aplay -Dplughw:0 foo.wav' work?
[07:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'll check sir.
[07:55] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: make sure that esd isn't grabbing /dev/dsp* or /dev/snd/*
[07:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> that works.
[07:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> that command works.
[07:58] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: lsmod|grep snd_pcm_oss
[07:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> it is loaded
[07:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> i know that already
[07:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have oss emulation on
[08:00] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: so any oss app fails?
[08:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> uhh..
[08:00] <smitty> i'm having trouble creating a music library with music player.
[08:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> no.
[08:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> sound works fine with everything.
[08:00] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: "everything?" Then what's the issue?
[08:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> i mean, with everything else but minisip.
[08:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> minisip says that /dev/dsp doesn't exist
[08:01] <smitty> what does it mean when you load a song into the music library and then nothing happens?
[08:01] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: dpkg -l alsa-oss|grep ^ii
[08:01] <IBOIC> world peace!
[08:02] <crimsun> smitty: using what application?
[08:02] <IBOIC> I WANT UBUNTU ! NOT MICROSOFT!
[08:03] <IBOIC> give me ubuntu or give me death :-)
[08:03] <smitty> crimsun: music player. I'm supposed to be able to point to a music file...click to send it to the library...it says it loads but then it says I have nothing
[08:04] <smitty> if i go into music player and add the folder from the program...i go into the folder and no files are shown
[08:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> no packages found matching alsa-oss
[08:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> folder?
[08:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> you mean directory?
[08:05] <smitty> yes
[08:05] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: do you have the 'universe' repo enabled?
[08:05] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: if so, install 'alsa-oss'
[08:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> universe?
[08:05] <crimsun> smitty: do you have 'gstreamer0.8-mad' installed?
[08:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> there is no such packages as alsa-oss
[08:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is a repo?
[08:06] <crimsun> alsa-oss: 1.0.5-1 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages
[08:06] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: a repo is an abbreviation of a [software]  repository
[08:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> so you put it in some apt-get config file?
[08:07] <smitty> crimsun: I'm not sure. how can I check
[08:07] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: there are instructions on the wiki for enabling the 'universe' repo
[08:07] <crimsun> smitty: did you, at any time, follow the instructions on the RestrictedFormats wiki page to install packages to play mp3s?
[08:08] <smitty> a friend set me up up linux ubuntu just recantly.
[08:09] <smitty> i'de been using windows for years
[08:09] <smitty> I have Xmms...and it plays mp3's fine
[08:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> mp3 is a dinosaur
[08:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> your friend set you free it sounds like.
[08:10] <crimsun> smitty: dpkg -l gstreamer0.8-mad|grep ^ii
[08:12] <smitty> No packages found matching gstreamer0.8-mad.
[08:12] <crimsun> smitty: follow the directions on the wiki for enabling the 'universe' repo, then install the 'gstreamer0.8-mad' package, then restart Music Player
[08:13] <smitty> broken ladder: set me free?...i'm an artist and recording is not something linux seems to be invented for.
[08:13] <crimsun> smitty: I record under Linux using Ardour
[08:15] <smitty> crimsun: ever use cool edit? is their any linux program that's as good and easy to use as Cool Edit?
[08:16] <smitty> Crimsun: where is the wiki btw?
[08:17] <crimsun> smitty: 'audacity' is nice. The wiki is linked from the ubuntu home page.
[08:17] <Liz> anyone know how to fix this..i cant install the ubuntu desktop and all related files to it
[08:17] <Liz> just says its broken and wont install cause of the dependencies
[08:17] <crimsun> Liz: are you installing from a Warty install cd?
[08:17] <crimsun> Liz: or are you dist-upgrading or cross upgrading from another distro?
[08:18] <Liz> neither
[08:18] <Liz> i apparently have a dev copy from a linux workshop we had locally
[08:18] <Liz> run perfectly till now
[08:18] <Liz> i tried to install gdesktop
[08:18] <jintonic> can i tar a file into a specific output dir?
[08:19] <smitty> I'm still getting the impression windows is better for "just" recording.
[08:19] <jintonic> untar, rather
[08:19] <Liz> but now everythings screwy..and synaptic uninstalled all my gnome files
[08:19] <crimsun> jintonic: sure.
[08:19] <Liz> cause it said it was broken
[08:19] <jintonic> how?
[08:19] <smitty> i'm a newbie though so disregard
[08:20] <Liz> is there a way to re-install all without deleting all my data in /home?
[08:20] <crimsun> Liz: hmm. The package 'gdesktop'? If so, I'm not registering any such package in Warty.
[08:20] <zenrox> jintonic,  easy go to the dir you want it in then do your tar command by adding the dir whar the tar is located
[08:20] <Liz> its not in warty crimsun..we d/led it to install..
[08:21] <crimsun> Liz: from where did you download it?
[08:21] <Liz> and see if it would run..but it had problems with libgnomeui files
[08:21] <smo> jintonic: -C should do the trick .. ie "tar xzf profile.tgz -C /home/user/" is in one of my scripts
[08:22] <zenrox> jintonic, like you want it in /home/name/download but its in /home/name  go to the download dir then do tar -xzvf somefile.tar.gz
[08:22] <zenrox> jintonic, like you want it in /home/name/download but its in /home/name  go to the download dir then do tar -xzvf /home/name/somefile.tar.gz
[08:23] <jintonic> i'd prefer to be able to just specify a output dir no matter my cwd
[08:23] <Liz> http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/
[08:23] <Liz> i got it from there crimsun
[08:23] <smo> jintonic: That's precisely what -C or --directory=  does
[08:24] <zenrox> smo is right
[08:24] <zenrox> i jsut do it the hard way
[08:24] <crimsun> Liz: ah, that package is in the 'universe' repo
[08:24] <smo> I hate to sound like a perl nut, but there's always more than one way ...
[08:24] <crimsun> Liz: you did not need to manually download it then install it
[08:25] <jintonic> hrm, but if the output dir doesnt exist it doesnt work
[08:25] <Liz> it is?..i had a look before i downloaded it off that website
[08:25] <crimsun> Liz: absolutely: gdesklets: 0.26.2-5ubuntu1 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages
[08:29] <Liz> cool..but that doesn solve my problem now..how do i get all the ubuntu desktop environment back?
[08:29] <Liz> it wont let me install anything
[08:29] <Liz> and im not sure exactly which file i do need to put back on here
[08:29] <Liz> short of putting them all back on
[08:29] <zenrox> liz start with gnome
[08:30] <zenrox> do in your console sudo apt-get install gnome
[08:30] <Liz> wont let me
[08:30] <zenrox> in a console
[08:30] <Liz> the only console i have left is root terminal
[08:30] <crimsun> Liz: sudo apt-get --reinstall install ubuntu-desktop
[08:31] <zenrox> that too
[08:31] <Liz> nope..says broken packages
[08:31] <Liz> wont let me install any of them
[08:31] <alias[k] > Oh I had that problem...
[08:31] <zenrox> remove the gdesklets first
[08:32] <Liz> its not installed
[08:32] <alias[k] > I just formatted though, so I'm not much help...
[08:32] <Liz> wouldnt install cause of libgnomeui
[08:32] <Liz> format is what i would do..but i wanna try and sae it first
[08:32] <Liz> i have too  many files on here to just format
[08:32] <alias[k] > Yeah
[08:32] <alias[k] > I know how that is.
[08:32] <zenrox> is your /home is a defernt partion
[08:32] <Liz> no its not
[08:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's a program i can run to test whether /dev/dsp works?
[08:33] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: `cat /dev/urandom /dev/dsp'
[08:33] <crimsun> err
[08:33] <zenrox> liz thats to bad
[08:33] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp'
[08:33] <Liz> yeah..i kept meaning to re do it all..but i just never got around to it
[08:33] <zenrox> liz then you cant format an reinstall with out using files
[08:33] <Liz> me bad
[08:33] <zenrox> lol
[08:34] <zenrox> liz nows your chance
[08:34] <Liz> lol
[08:34] <Liz> yeah..yeah..
[08:34] <zenrox> lol
[08:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> yup..that worked. :)
[08:34] <crimsun> Liz: could you /join #flood and paste your apt-get errors?
[08:34] <zenrox> liz d/l the releaced cd
[08:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> strange then, that minisip complains that /dev/dsp does not exist.
[08:35] <alias[k] > Does anyone know how I might be able to install Ubuntu on my MP3 player. (Boot off usb hdd).
[08:35] <Liz> i have the released one zenrox
[08:35] <Liz> but why install something that was working anyway
[08:35] <alias[k] > Is it possible to install it without formatting, into a subdirectory of the root
[08:35] <zenrox> alias[k] ,  no
[08:36] <alias[k] > What about LiveCD
[08:36] <zenrox> alias[k] , nope
[08:36] <alias[k] > Damn.
[08:36] <alias[k] > So At last resort I could format mp3 player, stick a normal install on, then replace all the old files.
[08:36] <zenrox> alias[k] , the install cd requires a linux partion
[08:37] <alias[k] > Can't install under FAT32?
[08:37] <zenrox> nope
[08:37] <alias[k] > Could just partition it.
[08:37] <zenrox> yep
[08:37] <alias[k] > Lets see if it likes being partitioned.
[08:46] <Alysander> hello?
[08:46] <zenrox> hello
[08:47] <zenrox> waz up alias[k] 
[08:47] <zenrox> err Alysander
[08:47] <Alysander> So the other 259 people can read that too?
[08:48] <zenrox> yep
[08:48] <Liz> yep
[08:50] <zenrox> Alysander,  so what bring you to this chanel
[08:51] <Alysander> Well I have had some trouble getting my sound working
[08:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone else here ever used minisip?
[08:51] <zenrox> alsa ?? , werty or hoary
[08:52] <Alysander> warty, asus k8ne deluxe motherboard
[08:52] <Rene_S> minisip?  only when i am drinking uzo
[08:53] <smitty> i can't find how to enable the universe on the wiki. i've been looking for an hour
[08:53] <zenrox> smitty,  look at http://ubuntuguide.org
[08:53] <aToaster> ls
[08:53] <Rene_S> Call Steven Hawkins and NASA, there into the Universe
[08:53] <rm6990> smitty: give me a couple seconds, ill post my /etc/apt/sources.list online...just replace yours with mine
[08:54] <aToaster> Hey guys, I'm having a problem when I try to run ./configure on a source, whats the problem? "checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[08:54] <aToaster> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[08:54] <aToaster> See `config.log' for more details.
[08:54] <aToaster> "
[08:54] <crimsun> aToaster: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:55] <rm6990> smitty: go here and replace everything in your /etc/apt/sources.list with this   http://www.pastebin.com/224255
[08:55] <Rene_S> take 2 prozacs and call the coder in the morning :)
[08:55] <rm6990> does anyone know why security updates aren't coming through right now
[08:55] <rm6990> ?
[08:55] <rm6990> has there just not been anyuthing to update?
[08:56] <crimsun> rm6990: nothing lately
[08:56] <aToaster> woa, your awesome crimsun
[08:56] <rm6990> oh, ok, just wondering, im uptight :P the same thing happened with yoper once, turned out the distro was almost dead
[08:56] <aToaster> what did that do?
[08:57] <rm6990> smitty: did u get my information?
[08:57] <aToaster> Oh, question, so I'm new to using linux as a desktop, so Cedega is not free?
[08:57] <zenrox> aToaster,  yep
[08:57] <zenrox> aToaster,  unless you compile it your self
[08:57] <zenrox> cvs part of it is free
[08:58] <Alysander> I think most people dual boot with windows for games
[08:58] <zenrox> but no support
[08:58] <zenrox> Alysander,  not me
[08:58] <zenrox> i have nix games
[08:58] <zenrox> nwn +the 2 other expantion packs
[08:58] <Alysander> Which ones do you use zenrox?
[08:58] <dasmi> Anyone tried Ubuntu on an original iBook?
[08:58] <smitty> i got it but it's all confusing and overwhelming to me
[08:59] <zenrox> Alysander,  alpha cintury ,nwn(neverwinter nights) , thats it now if i had a better vid card doom3 , ut 2k4 ut 2k ect
[08:59] <smitty> everyone keeps throwing me to pages and saying screw it
[09:00] <crimsun> aToaster: it installs the minimum required packages for compiling C and C++ source code
[09:00] <zenrox> smitty,  thats what your spost to do is read the f***en manuel as we like to say
[09:00] <smitty> been reading.
[09:01] <zenrox> smitty,  what dont you understad about the pages the code or what? ill try to help you
[09:01] <Alysander> did you get to the part where it says type:  sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:01] <zenrox> so dont take that the wrong way
[09:02] <Alysander> (on http://ubuntuguide.org/)
[09:02] <smitty> ok....crimson told me to go to the witty and learn how to enable the universe.
[09:02] <zenrox> wiki
[09:02] <zenrox> lol
[09:02] <zenrox> the ubuntuguide.org is easer to understand smitty
[09:03] <Rene_S> Hell just ask Nasa to enable the universe next time
[09:03] <smitty> now will it say anything about enableing....or will it just talk about adding a package?
[09:03] <Rene_S> more straight forward than the witty
[09:04] <zenrox> smitty,  it covers every thang
[09:04] <Alysander> you just edit the text file and fire up synaptic from the menu
[09:04] <zenrox> yep
[09:04] <smitty> great. I'll be back in a year after i've read it all.
[09:04] <Rene_S> I love this place its like i am not even here
[09:04] <zenrox> Rene_S,  yep
[09:05] <zenrox> whare did Rene_S  go
[09:05] <Rene_S> you ruined it now
[09:05] <smo> I think if it's really that hard to find, there's a documenation issue to be looked at, not ridiculed :/
[09:05] <zenrox> she vanished
[09:05] <Rene_S> You spoke to me
[09:05] <Rene_S> that shouldnt happen in here
[09:05] <Rene_S> I am the channel leper
[09:05] <zenrox> i am the chanel mispeller
[09:05] <zenrox> lol
[09:06] <Vaportrail> don't take drugs Rene_S
[09:06] <Vaportrail> zenrox, too :P
[09:06] <zenrox> hahaha
[09:06] <crimsun> Rene_S: with what do you need assistance?
[09:06] <Rene_S> I have to take drugs
[09:06] <Vaportrail> y?
[09:06] <Rene_S> Nothing, I am just being a shit, its 3 am
[09:07] <Rene_S> and i am waiting on a kernel
[09:07] <zenrox> so i can keep my "sanity"
[09:07] <Vaportrail> oh, here its 9 am
[09:07] <zenrox> 12 am here
[09:07] <Alysander> 7pm for me
[09:07] <Liz> 7pm here
[09:07] <Rene_S> Wow cool
[09:07] <Alysander> you in melbourne too liz?
[09:07] <Vaportrail> locations? :P
[09:07] <Rene_S> people from the future
[09:07] <zenrox> washington state usa
[09:07] <Vaportrail> hrhr
[09:08] <Vaportrail> berlin - germany
[09:08] <dasmi> so that's a no on the iBook thing
[09:08] <Liz> naa..nsw
[09:08] <Alysander> I tried everything except ubuntu on a bunch of imacs
[09:09] <feAR`> ryts
[09:09] <zenrox> i want one g3 to put ubuntu on to
[09:09] <Alysander> fedora core 3 works pretty good
[09:09] <zenrox> or g4
[09:09] <Vaportrail> i would prefere mac os on a mac :)
[09:09] <izaac> 1 am for me
[09:09] <izaac> sonora state mexico
[09:09] <Vaportrail> so, i would prefere mac os on x86, too
[09:09] <dasmi> Yes, but on a 300MHz iBook, I think Ubuntu would be faster than OS X
[09:10] <Vaportrail> word
[09:10] <zenrox> lol
[09:10] <dasmi> oh how I wish OS 9 was more stable.
[09:10] <izaac> dasmi: on a ibook try yellowdog
[09:10] <izaac> an*
[09:10] <Rene_S> I wish OS/2 was still available
[09:10] <dasmi> Think that'll work better?
[09:10] <Alysander> yes
[09:11] <Vaportrail> drugs...
[09:11] <Alysander> probably
[09:11] <Alysander> just try everything
[09:11] <dasmi> ya. well bedtime now.
[09:12] <Alysander> So does anyone know about getting nvidia\realtek sound chipsets going?
[09:12] <crimsun> Alysander: snd-intel8x0 is the ALSA driver.
[09:13] <Alysander> volume control gives me two tabs:
[09:13] <Alysander> realtek id 90 [oss mixer] 
[09:14] <Alysander> and Nvidia ck8s [alsa mixer] 
[09:14] <crimsun> Alysander: ok, so it appears to be loaded at least, and the alsa mixer tab is probably less confusing (though they should perform identical operations)
[09:15] <Alysander> mostly, except the OSS mixer has a digital out too
[09:15] <crimsun> ok, what sort of problems are you experiencing with sound?
[09:16] <Alysander> No sound
[09:16] <crimsun> are the channels muted?
[09:16] <Alysander> no
[09:16] <jintonic> this app "sound juicer" doesn't support mp3 encoding?
[09:16] <Alysander> I can use digital out or headphones
[09:16] <Alysander> but have 8 channel plugs
[09:17] <crimsun> jintonic: appears to support ogg vorbis and flac, at least
[09:17] <Alysander> under Mandrake 10.1 I set line-in to output
[09:17] <jintonic> yeah... but ogg and flac don't work on my ipod...
[09:18] <crimsun> Alysander: please open a terminal and execute `aplay -Dplughw:0 foo.wav'
[09:18] <calc> it can do mp3 but requires some configuration afaik
[09:18] <calc> i don't know what you have to do to make it work though
[09:18] <jintonic> thats kinda silly
[09:18] <calc> jintonic: its not like you can distribute mp3 encoders
[09:19] <calc> so it can't default to that, otherwise it would do nothing at all
[09:19] <jintonic> why not?
[09:19] <calc> you probably have to install lame and then change some option
[09:19] <calc> jintonic: mp3 encoding is patented and is actively enforced apparently
[09:19] <nomasteryoda> yea, why not... i encode mp3s all the time on my archos
[09:19] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[09:20] <jintonic> didnt know that, i bet its only enforced cuz the riaa leaned on the patent holders
[09:20] <calc> nomasteryoda: probably either with a program you download from outside the patent countries or with software you paid for (including licensing fees)
[09:20] <nomasteryoda> calc, well ... the archos comes with an mp3 encoder built in.
[09:20] <nomasteryoda> i would guess he ipod does to
[09:20] <calc> nomasteryoda: ah ok
[09:21] <calc> it might but its not exposed in a way to use it
[09:21] <nomasteryoda> and yea, the license was paid for by me i would guess.. but very small ... i'm guessing
[09:21] <nomasteryoda> and i put the hacked firmware... rockbox on it for better menus and mp3 quality
[09:21] <calc> yea mp3 license is probably very cheap per unit, but you have to pay for a large sum at once or something like that
[09:22] <nomasteryoda> if i dropped your ipod from 4 ft, would it still look the same and work?
[09:22] <Alysander> OK crimsun I tried:
[09:22] <Alysander> aplay -Dplughw:0 /usr/share/sounds/question.wav
[09:22] <Alysander> Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/question.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Mono
[09:22] <calc> nomasteryoda: not sure if the current version does the patented drive stoppage or not
[09:22] <nomasteryoda> my archos has padding on the corners..
[09:22] <calc> nomasteryoda: you saw that apple patented large drops right? ;)
[09:22] <nomasteryoda> yea
[09:22] <nomasteryoda> like that is a patentable idea
[09:22] <calc> i don't intend to drop my ipod though :)
[09:23] <calc> like amazon one-click :)
[09:23] <nomasteryoda> soon pissing while standing will be patented
[09:23] <nomasteryoda> =)
[09:23] <Rene_S> too late
[09:23] <Rene_S> I took one out on that this morning
[09:23] <nomasteryoda> lol
[09:23] <ogra> nomasteryoda: go to cologne/germany......in carnival times.....
[09:23] <nomasteryoda> microshaft got that patent already
[09:23] <smo> I can certainly claim prior art there
[09:24] <ogra> nomasteryoda: it costs you 30 euro license fee :)
[09:24] <nomasteryoda> man, that is high dollar urinal... lol
[09:24] <ogra> heh
[09:25] <nomasteryoda> morning to you all... time or a couple hrs zzz
[09:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i make apt-get search for a package?
[09:29] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: not sure what you mean
[09:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> like i need libgcrypt
[09:29] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: apt-cache(8) search is the preferred method
[09:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> but i don't know the exact name of the package
[09:29] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: (e.g., apt-cache search libgcrypt)
[09:29] <jintonic> looks like i need a plugin to gstreamer for mp3?
[09:29] <luc1f3r> I just connected a new hard drive, how do i install it?
[09:29] <jadawin> apt-cache search libgcrypt will work
[09:29] <crimsun> jintonic: enable the 'universe' repo, then install 'gstreamer0.8-mad'
[09:30] <jadawin> luc1f3r: cfdisk ?
[09:30] <luc1f3r> jadawin, what does that do?
[09:30] <izaac> gnome app to take desktop screenshots
[09:30] <jadawin> luc1f3r: cfdisk - Curses based disk partition table manipulator for Linux
[09:31] <luc1f3r> jadawin, so i typed it, and it gave me the two partitions on my computer, not the new disk, however
[09:32] <jadawin> luc1f3r: cfdisk /dev/hdX
[09:32] <jintonic> what does that mean?
[09:32] <jadawin> luc1f3r: change X with your new hard disk partition.
[09:32] <jintonic> thats the second time i've heard 'universe' in relation with apt-get today
[09:32] <luc1f3r> jadawin, how do i know what it is? if i have hda already, is it hdb?
[09:32] <jadawin> luc1f3r: i think so.
[09:33] <luc1f3r> jadawin, i'll try
[09:33] <luc1f3r> jadawin, I see this new drive now
[09:33] <luc1f3r> jadawin, what do i do with it?
[09:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> why is apt-get giving me errors that some library is not installed? why doesn't it install them?!
[09:33] <jadawin> luc1f3r: cool :)
[09:34] <jadawin> luc1f3r: create a new partition should be a good idea
[09:34] <luc1f3r> jadawin, it is already partitioned
[09:34] <aracataca> hi to everybody!
[09:34] <Vaportrail> hi to u
[09:34] <luc1f3r> jadawin, i added a fat32 partition on this drive, and i want it as extra storage
[09:35] <jintonic> Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:35] <Vaportrail> anybody wants a gmail invitation?
[09:35] <jintonic> vapor: sure
[09:35] <aracataca> i'd have to set up ubuntu on a pc with a modem connection to the net. and sure, gmail would be fun!
[09:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> what does it mean if apt-get says linphone has dependencies that are uninstallable?
[09:36] <luc1f3r> jadawin, did you catch that last msg?
[09:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:36] <BROKEN_LADDER>   linphone: Depends: libgcrypt1 (> 1.1.11-0) but it is not installable
[09:36] <aracataca> so i'd have to install ubuntu totally from the install-cd, is that possible?
[09:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's how i did it.
[09:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> but then i connected it to the net to install various packages.
[09:36] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: because libgcrypt1 is in the 'universe' repo
[09:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> ??
[09:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> jesus h christ
[09:37] <jadawin> luc1f3r: just search on google.
[09:37] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: have you enabled the 'universe' repo like I suggested over an hour ago?
[09:37] <luc1f3r> jadawin, think anyone here knows?
[09:37] <aracataca> but is there no downloadable iso with all extensions included?
[09:37] <jadawin> luc1f3r: sorry but i have to work now.
[09:37] <luc1f3r> jadawin, okay , thanks
[09:37] <jadawin> luc1f3r: I think, but it's better to search on google.
[09:37] <aracataca> any ideas?
[09:39] <skyweb> hi
[09:39] <IBOIC> wow
[09:39] <IBOIC> new netbsd is nice
[09:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'll enable it now.
[09:39] <IBOIC> look at the benchys
[09:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's the url?
[09:39] <IBOIC> ubuntu better :)
[09:39] <skyweb> i'm searching how to active suspend mode for my ubuntu laptop
[09:40] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: it's commented out in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm there right now.
[09:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> i already edited that file earlier.
[09:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> why didn't you explain it as simply adding a repository to my apt-get?
[09:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> do i want to uncomment both of those lines?
[09:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> source and binary?
[09:44] <ruebe_> hi
[09:45] <CSWookie> Someone prosthelitize ubuntu at me.  I wish to know the good things about it.
[09:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> it rocks.
[09:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just used slackware for like a year.
[09:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> liked it pretty well.
[09:45] <CSWookie> BROKEN_LADDER: In greater detail.
[09:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> ubuntu is a million times better.
[09:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> the install is the best i've ever seen.
[09:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> simple and fast.
[09:45] <CSWookie> slackware....  I wasn't a fan of it.
[09:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> the default desktop is great.
[09:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> it is a "fork" of debian, if that's not a bad way of putting it.
[09:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> so it has great package management.
[09:46] <smo> in a nutshell .. most of debian's strengths, with sane defaults, a solid release schedule, and commercial support
[09:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> heh..absolutely.
[09:46] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: binary should suffice
[09:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> ohh...what if i have them both? is that bad?
[09:46] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you only need source if you plan to pull it using apt-get source
[09:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm all for installing from source when possible
[09:46] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: no, it won't hurt at all
[09:46] <CSWookie> BROKEN_LADDER: So I was given to understand.  Where does it surpass debian?  Is it another case of, "Debian is too generic, we'll focus on architectures normal people use."?
[09:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> it has san defaults, a solid release schedule.
[09:47] <kleedrac> crimsun: May I message you?
[09:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> basially it's more geared toward a desktop system, with less need of admin.
[09:47] <crimsun> CSWookie: integration of a well-supported desktop with the confusing choices excised
[09:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> well, you can always choose them if you want to.
[09:48] <crimsun> kleedrac: I'd rather you keep it in-channel if at all possible, but if it must be query, I don't mind.
[09:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i still need to find out how ubuntu is doing mounting..whether it's autofs.
[09:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i hate it when things are hidden from me
[09:48] <smo> BROKEN_LADDER: Most likely hal/dbus/gnome-volume-manager.  google for "project utopia" should bring up some info on the combination
[09:48] <CSWookie> Ah.  Nifty.  I've always got my eye out for a linux system for my dad.  The problem is, he likes to have up-to-date hardware, and he always goes for the least expensive thing.  So it's never smooth sailing to install stuff.
[09:49] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: for removable devices?
[09:49] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: hal is definitely used; more than likely if it's a removable device, you're dealing with pmount
[09:50] <Liz> did anyone get the gdesklets working in warty?
[09:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> pmount?
[09:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> similar to autofs?
[09:51] <Liz> nevermind..ill ask tomorrow
[09:51] <Liz> bye bye all
[09:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't apt-get linphone
[09:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> why the hell not?
[09:51] <kleedrac> mako: Are you up and about?
[09:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> it says it has unmet dependencies.
[09:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> why does it not install them?!
[09:52] <emwson> Does anyone know how nautilus-cd-burner use cdrecord?
[09:52] <CSWookie> Your website gave me the shivers.  But I guess you'll have that.  Corporate mumbo-jumbo gives me the willies sometimes.
[09:52] <jintonic> hrm... evolution - mail doesn't seem to support changing to port of your pop/smtp server...
[09:53] <emwson> I can burn using cdrecord, but not Nautilus burn:///
[09:54] <izaac> jintonic: try the thunderbird backport :D
[09:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:54] <BROKEN_LADDER>   linphone: Depends: libgcrypt1 (> 1.1.11-0) but it is not going to be installed
[09:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> wtf! it isn't going to be installed?!
[09:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> who the hell is my computer to tell me what will or won't be installed!
[09:54] <CSWookie> What is a sane default, versus a debian one?
[09:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> thunderbird is wayyy better than evol
[09:55] <CSWookie> BROKEN_LADDER: Likely means it's held back for some reason or other.
[09:55] <CSWookie> BROKEN_LADDER: And mutt is better than tb.  "All email clients suck.  This one sucks less."
[09:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> now this shiznit is finally working.
[09:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> firebird is a great mail client.
[09:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> it doesn't suck by any means.
[09:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> it has multiple identities even.
[09:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> it could be a bit better if it would let you compose your own "from", choose signature, choose sent directory, on the fly.. but it's good enough.
[09:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> my webmail is the best email system ever.  fastmail.fm
[09:57] <CSWookie> BROKEN_LADDER: mutt is superior.
[09:58] <CSWookie> For mutt is a CLI.  Gloious CLI.
[09:58] <CSWookie> s/Gloious/Glorious/
[09:59] <CSWookie> Why would you want to choose your signature on the fly?  You might as well just type it at composition time.
[10:01] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: where are you pulling 'linphone' from? I don't see any such package in Warty.
[10:06] <mgedmin> after upgrading to hoary I'm stuck with 640x480
[10:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> i used apt-get
[10:06] <mgedmin> xorg.conf has the correct HorizSync and VertRefresh ranges, but the savage driver ignores them
[10:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> it works now finally
[10:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks for the help folks.
[10:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> that universe thing must have done it.
[10:07] <kleedrac> broken: never heard of linphone ... what's it do?
[10:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's an sip client.
[10:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> sip is the standard for negatioting voice,video, text message communication over internet devices.
[10:08] <kleedrac> broken: ahhh ... though I would argue with you on your choice of mail client
[10:08] <emwson> How does GNOME auto mount my CDs when I insert them? What the name of that module?
[10:08] <Amon-Ra> evening all
[10:08] <Amon-Ra> anyone had any luck getting citrix clients to work on ubuntu ?
[10:09] <crimsun> emwson: hal+gnome-volume-manager
[10:09] <emwson> crimsun: thanks
[10:10] <emwson> crimsun: Does hal+g-v-m require any special kernel modules?
[10:10] <crimsun> emwson: inotify, possibly; I've not studied it very deeply.
[10:11] <crimsun> emwson: consult the diff.gz for linux-source-2.6.8.1
[10:11] <emwson> crimsun: Yeah, I guess I need to dive into those diffs...
[10:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's 282 K in San Francisco.
[10:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm chilly
[10:12] <Amon-Ra> hmm citrix anyone ?
[10:13] <crimsun> 7C is quite balmy
[10:14] <kleedrac> It's -28C here in Saskatchewan :P
[10:14] <kleedrac> broken: That
[10:14] <kleedrac> s 245K
[10:17] <Jonas_NZ> how long does it take for the cds to be shipped form the Ubuntu CD distribution thingy
[10:17] <jintonic> heh, root@blah is a joke, right jonas?
[10:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> so no one here uses linphone eh?
[10:17] <Jonas_NZ> jintonic, of course
[10:18] <kleedrac> amon: http://www.et.byu.edu/caedm/citrix/clients/linux/howtolinux.htm
[10:18] <kleedrac> Does anyone know when the next CD's will be shipped?
[10:19] <Amon-Ra> kleedrac, thats a great one and works for every other distro.
[10:19] <Amon-Ra> except ubuntu
[10:20] <Amon-Ra> 3 installs 3 different machines and the client wont work, its got me bamboozeled and i was hoping someone here had come across the problem before
[10:20] <kleedrac> amon: To be honest I've never heard of citrix before you mentioned it :) ... but why doesn't it work ... ie what doesn't work in the install or binary process?
[10:21] <Amon-Ra> it installs infe
[10:21] <Amon-Ra> fine
[10:21] <Amon-Ra> just will not work, opens fine but wont even try to connect
[10:21] <Amon-Ra> the same client works normally on my debian sid box no worries
[10:22] <ubuntuuser> hi
[10:22] <kleedrac> amon: odd ... Sorry I can't help further
[10:22] <Amon-Ra> its cool
[10:22] <Amon-Ra> i will find an answer
[10:23] <Amon-Ra> lol
[10:23] <Amon-Ra> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/003131.html
[10:23] <Amon-Ra> ask and you shall recieve it seems
[10:23] <kleedrac> heh ... always ... only usually it comes from crimsun it seems :) that guy's helped me with every problem I've brought here :)
[10:24] <mgedmin> solved my 640x480 problem: whatever created /etc/X11/xorg.conf, created it incorrectly
[10:24] <kleedrac> mgedmin: upgraded to hoary huh?
[10:24] <mgedmin> I had to change Option "HorizSync" "x-y" to HorizSync x-y
[10:24] <mgedmin> known bug, huh?
[10:24] <mgedmin> yes, hoary for 30 minutes now
[10:25] <kleedrac> mgedmin: first advice I got when a friend said I should upgrade to hoary was backup my xorg.conf file :)
[10:25] <odyssey> mgedmin, what do you think of it so far?
[10:25] <mgedmin> of what, exactly?
[10:25] <mgedmin> hoary as opposed to warty?
[10:25] <kleedrac> Anywho ... I'm off to bed ... first day of term tomorrow ... night all :)
[10:25] <mgedmin> warty left a pretty good impression - almost everything worked out of the box
[10:26] <mgedmin> hoary left a somewhat worse impression due to 640x480
[10:26] <ubuntuuser> i like ubuntu
[10:26] <Vaportrail> hoary is unstable...
[10:27] <ogra> mgedmin: thats not comparable
[10:27] <mgedmin> hmm, if I close the laptop's lid, LCD is not turned off
[10:27] <jintonic> warty left a good impression on me despite having to install a new video card driver and setup x
[10:28] <Vaportrail> jintonic even on a windows machine u need to install video card drivers....
[10:28] <ogra> mgedmin: hoary is derived from sid and then ubuntu bug get introduced additional to the debian bugs, so it is likely that it is far mor unstable then sid and likely to break in many places
[10:28] <ogra> bugs even
[10:29] <mgedmin> sounds exciting :)
[10:29] <jintonic> xp has a lot of drivers built-in though
[10:29] <ogra> mgedmin: just to prepare you what is to come ;)
[10:29] <jintonic> if you use a nvidia or ati card its likely to work out of the box
[10:29] <Vaportrail> but no 3d acceleration in built-in drivers :)
[10:29] <ubuntuuser> not an x800
[10:30] <Vaportrail> ? huh, we ment winxp
[10:30] <jintonic> some linux distros are almost there... knoppix is pretty much there
[10:30] <Amon-Ra> ubuntu is superior to knoppix
[10:30] <Amon-Ra> its that simple
[10:30] <ubuntuuser> yeah
[10:30] <jintonic> heh, okay
[10:31] <ubuntuuser> it's the best i've tried so far
[10:31] <Amon-Ra> jintonic, have you installed ubuntu ?
[10:31] <jintonic> you can't really compare them, one is meant more for system recovery, the other is made to be a desktop os
[10:31] <krrh> Might anyone know why my cpu fan runs constantly when booted into Ubuntu. Doesn't seem to run so much in Windows.
[10:31] <jintonic> yeah, i'm running it right now
[10:31] <Amon-Ra> i run 3 boxes here on debian SID and 2 on ubuntu
[10:31] <Amon-Ra> this box WAS running knoppix in a hdd install
[10:32] <jintonic> heh
[10:32] <Cube-ness> is it possible to do a net install of ubuntu?
[10:32] <mgedmin> Cube-ness, yes
[10:32] <jintonic> knoppix is great for its hardware support and automatic detection
[10:32] <Amon-Ra> i find ubuntu very nice, ive given out 50 cds so far
[10:32] <krrh> Forgive me if this is a silly question, but I haven't found the answer online, and the noise is killig me.
[10:32] <Cube-ness> mgedmin, how?
[10:32] <mgedmin> there's a howto on www.ubuntulinux.org
[10:32] <Cube-ness> ah
[10:32] <Amon-Ra> the only problem i had was with citrix and i just fixed that
[10:33] <ubuntuuser> what does the system monitor say?
[10:33] <Amon-Ra> and im a windows network admin for a living so if i can work out ubuntu anyone can :P
[10:33] <jintonic> i've only installed ubuntu on this machine so i can't say much for its hardware support... but knoppix autodetects everything on my machine, ubuntu doesn't
[10:34] <krrh> cpu use vollies between 3 and 15 percent.
[10:34] <ubuntuuser> ubuntu supported all my hardware no probs
[10:34] <Amon-Ra> i found no issues
[10:34] <ubuntuuser> but so did knoppix
[10:34] <Amon-Ra> dont get me started on fedora and hardware detection
[10:34] <ubuntuuser> maybe adjust fan speed in bios? or acpi prob?
[10:34] <jintonic> haven't tried fedora, never liked red hat
[10:35] <Amon-Ra> i find fedora buggy
[10:35] <ubuntuuser> i got fc3 here too. it's more fiddly imho
[10:35] <krrh> OK, it's likely an ACPI issue. I've had to disable it at boot in order to get any precompiled kernel working.
[10:35] <Amon-Ra> i found FC3 just wouldnt run on one machine, ubuntu ran fine
[10:35] <ubuntuuser> yeah maybe that's it
[10:36] <krrh> If I don't disable it, the system reboots after decompressing the kernel.
[10:36] <ubuntuuser> maybe it needs boot time kernel option
[10:36] <krrh> Any resources for figuring out this ACPI problem?
[10:36] <ubuntuuser> acpi=off or summink?
[10:37] <ubuntuuser> try updating the kernel
[10:37] <crimsun> "pci=noacpi"
[10:37] <krrh> I use acpi=off. That's how I get the boot to move forward. Maybe running without ACPI keepss my fan running, though.
[10:37] <Amon-Ra> hmm i have acpi off and dont have the problem
[10:37] <Amon-Ra> what brand motherboard ?
[10:38] <jintonic> there's no beating ubuntu install though, excellent... and the layout of the gui is nice... all that's left is to improve hardware detection a little bit and ubuntu just may become a word grandma knows
[10:38] <krrh> Microstar. It's a real crapper.
[10:38] <ubuntuuser> yum is better in fc3 but apt/synaptic is niiice :)
[10:38] <krrh> It's also causing some wicken AGP conflicts with my PCI video. I despise this board.
[10:39] <Amon-Ra> apt rocks, i loved it from day one on potato and still do
[10:39] <ubuntuuser> and i like the social contract/philosphy rather than beta testing for redhat
[10:39] <jintonic> definately
[10:40] <FallenHitokiri> hi. i need a groupware with an webinterface and the chance to sync it with evolution. someone an idea?
[10:42] <jintonic> hrm... undefined reference to `std::cout' <-- std headers aren't included with g++?
[10:43] <crimsun> jintonic: do you have 'build-essential' installed?
[10:44] <siretart> jintonic: this rather looks like a linking problem due to uninstalled libstdc++5-dev package
[10:44] <jintonic> didn't have it
[10:45] <siretart> jintonic: crimsun is btw right, just apt-get install build-essential
[10:45] <jintonic> hrm, installed libstdc++5-dev, and build-essential, error's still there
[10:47] <jintonic> er... i thought gcc switched to c++ mode if the extension was cpp
[10:47] <jintonic> g++ works fine
[10:47] <crimsun> use the correct compiler for the correct source ;)
[10:48] <jintonic> yeah, but i thought gcc linked to g++.. a lot of linux apps do stuff like that
[10:48] <crimsun> jintonic: if those apps do, their Makefiles are clobbered.
[10:50] <siretart> jintonic: there are quite a lot adidtional libraries beeing linked with c++ apps. link with g++ with option -v to get an idea how c++ would have to be called
[10:50] <siretart> jintonic: conclusion: always link c++ apps with g++. much less pain
[10:53] <`anthony> so I've recently switched one of my boxes (running ubuntu) over to be the primary DNS/DHCP/&c server for my home network. It went from a DHCP client to a new fixed IP. Everything seems to work, except DNS. tcpdump shows that the requests are going off, and the responses are coming back, but the user-level applications aren't seeing the responses. this is after a reboot. any ideas where to look?
[10:54] <`anthony> There doesn't appear to be anything logging these packets as being dropped, or whatever...
[10:57] <jintonic> how is linux c/c++ development usually done? using plain text editors? IDEs?
[10:57] <nevyn> jintonic: linux development it'self?
[10:58] <nevyn> or development for linux?
[10:58] <jintonic> app development using linux
[10:58] <d3vic3> jintonic, use Vi, Vim or Emacs
[10:58] <nevyn> jintonic: it varies. there are a number of different things people use.
[10:58] <d3vic3> can olso use stuff like kate
[10:58] <nevyn> editor and shell and make by hand is common and what works for me.
[10:59] <d3vic3> or even kdevelp
[10:59] <nevyn> Kdevelop is like the visualC ide and has some nice features.
[10:59] <jintonic> how about for gui design?
[10:59] <d3vic3> kdevelop
[10:59] <nevyn> jintonic: glade by hand but I havn't worked that out myself yet.
[10:59] <d3vic3> niceforgui
[10:59] <nevyn> there's also qtdesigner
[10:59] <jintonic> thats only for KDE though, isn't it?
[10:59] <nevyn> jintonic: no.
[11:00] <nevyn> what's only for kde?
[11:00] <d3vic3> qtdesigner is cool too
[11:00] <jintonic> Kdevelop
[11:00] <jintonic> KDEvelop?
[11:00] <nevyn> theres also glade
[11:01] <nevyn> jintonic: it's a kde application but you can develop whatever you like in it.
[11:04] <jintonic> hrm, so kde apps can work in gnome and vice-versa?
[11:12] <Ribs> jintonic, if you have the required libraries installed, yet
[11:12] <Ribs> yes*
[11:12] <Ribs> generally, if you can find an application that works better in your enviroment, use it
[11:13] <Ribs> as KDE apps look very out of place on Gnome, and vice verse
[11:13] <Ribs> versa
[11:13] <Ribs> my spelling sucks today
[11:13] <jintonic> no matter
[11:15] <bestadvocate> good mornin/evnin all
[11:15] <`anthony> never mind previous problem - the gateway had a stale ARP cache entry.
[11:16] <NailllL> hi
[11:16] <camh> when I boot the warty live CD, /proc/mounts has sysfs listed twice. This is breaking firmware loading. Has anyone else had this problem? And how to fix?
[11:18] <bestadvocate> say is the warty live cd the exact same thing as the Gnoppix latest version?
[11:19] <camh> i haven't seen the gnoppix cd, but the ubuntu one has the ubuntu logo so I guess not.
[11:19] <bestadvocate> cause i know that gnoppix is based off ubuntu since its release
[11:19] <bestadvocate> plus rebranding hardly counts
[11:19] <camh> i know, but then its not *exact* :-)
[11:20] <bestadvocate> my mestake :] 
[11:20] <Amon-Ra> its not gnoppix
[11:20] <Amon-Ra> its mepis
[11:20] <Amon-Ra> boot the cd and look
[11:20] <camh> i think its morphix. I seem to recall it in the /proc/mounts list (the string "morphix")
[11:21] <bestadvocate> im not saying ubuntu is gnoppix im saying gnoppix has become ubuntu
[11:21] <Amon-Ra> oh i see
[11:21] <Amon-Ra> perhaps, havent looked
[11:22] <Amon-Ra> ive been using mepis as a recovery CD lately, very nice
[11:22] <bestadvocate> hey did you hear ubuntu finished 13 on distrowatch dispite only being on the list for 4 months of the year?
[11:22] <Amon-Ra> i noticed
[11:23] <Amon-Ra> mind you i dont think you can read much into distrowatch for reliable figures, those ratings are page hits to their site only after all
[11:23] <bestadvocate> i would probobly still be runing mandrake if i hadent become such a distrowatch junke
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> I dunno
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> I've been using debian for years
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu came along
[11:23] <Amon-Ra> yep me too
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> it's 'Like Debian Only Better'
[11:24] <Amon-Ra> potato then woody then sarge then sid and now ubuntu
[11:24] <bestadvocate> i have never had a working debian system before ubuntu
[11:24] <Amon-Ra> welcome to the dark side :)
[11:24] <bestadvocate> :-O
[11:24] <NailllL> Amon-Ra: =)
[11:25] <Amon-Ra> now i have citrix working i can say this box is complete :)
[11:26] <bestadvocate> so among you long term debianers what do you think of the new installer?
[11:26] <tsw> new?
[11:26] <Amon-Ra> new?
[11:26] <crimsun> the one for sarge?
[11:26] <bestadvocate> from debian ... relatively .. yah for sarge
[11:27] <Amon-Ra> its easier on newbies than the old one
[11:27] <tsw> I dont like the partitioner on sarge
[11:27] <NailllL> new???
[11:27] <tsw> new partitioner is too easy
[11:27] <bestadvocate> lol
[11:27] <NailllL> rc2??? and daily is there some big difference?
[11:27] <camh> i like the partitioner on sarge. I can install on a raid (md) lvm setup quite easily.
[11:28] <tsw> camh: thats true.
[11:28] <bestadvocate> i have gotten the system installed with woody but i never got the startx to work
[11:29] <Amon-Ra> lol bestadvocate - youre not the only one to have that problem first time
[11:30] <bestadvocate> i think i may give it anther shot after finals, havent for about a year
[11:31] <bestadvocate> its going to take 3 hours till i get my whory hedgehog updated
[11:36] <zombics> when i am trying to ./configure sim i get this error: "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!"
[11:36] <zombics> what's the problem?
[11:36] <NailllL> bestadvocate: 3 hours???? whole ubuntu??? and..... how megas it have taken?
[11:37] <bestadvocate> its going at 12kbps
[11:38] <NailllL> bestadvocate: pliz count yourself
[11:38] <bestadvocate> count myself?
[11:38] <NailllL> ) bestadvocate:  no =)
[11:38] <NailllL> ) bestadvocate: count how much megz ...
[11:39] <NailllL> ) bestadvocate: my spelling sucks, but i don`t care
[11:39] <bestadvocate> whatever mine gets much worse at times
[11:40] <bestadvocate> I'm just new age spellcheck dependent
[11:40] <NailllL> bestadvocate: old gye???
[11:41] <pybe-lappy> is there a file that will run commands at boot, i think it was /etc/rc.local in fedora or somthing.
[11:41] <stvn> why is it that hoary takes such a long time to configure network interfaces on a laptop?
[11:41] <NailllL> bestadvocate: i`m asking , because i`ve got hoary... and i think it should be updated....so i need to know how long will it take
[11:42] <bestadvocate> well i havent update in about 2 months so your askin the wrong dude
[11:42] <bestadvocate> it was a couple hundred megabites for me
[11:43] <bestadvocate> i also use and update a lot of stuff from universe :] 
[11:44] <warty_> hi
[11:44] <NailllL> QUESTION: how can i do the modules haven`t been  loaded at startup...... it loads cery big amount of them....so most of them i DONT NEED at all
[11:44] <bestadvocate> hi
[11:44] <NailllL> bestadvocate: i see
[11:44] <tuxJr_14> hi
[11:44] <warty_> anybodz who nows how i install gnoppix on HD?
[11:45] <warty_> the last version
[11:45] <warty_> 0.8.2.2
[11:45] <bestadvocate> it doesnt give instructions on the cd somewhere?
[11:45] <bestadvocate> try the website...
[11:45] <bestadvocate> and installing ubuntu on the HD is basically the same thing
[11:45] <warty_> allreadz have didnt get an answer
[11:46] <bestadvocate> sorry i havent used Gnoppix since they started to base it off warty
[11:46] <warty_> so should i try on the unbuntu website
[11:46] <bestadvocate> i doubt it
[11:46] <bestadvocate> but give it a shot
[11:46] <warty_> mmm
[11:46] <warty_> ok i will thanks anyway
[11:46] <warty_> bye
[11:47] <bestadvocate> see ya
[11:50] <bestadvocate> say have they fixed that hoary bug that makes you lose menu items when you update via synaptic?
[11:53] <zombics> how can i installl flash player on abuntu(AMD64)
[11:54] <zombics> the one for macromedia dont supper x86_64 :\
[11:56] <bestadvocate> i dont know i have the same problem :(
[11:56] <bestadvocate> tell me if you find out
[11:56] <bestadvocate> its all those basterds at macromedias fault!
[11:58] <zombics> yea and thy dont realse the code :/ so were fucked antil thy will find time to do this
[11:59] <bestadvocate> they might not find it reasonable to ever do it, cause we are a monority of a minority, linux of amd of 64 bitters
[12:01] <bestadvocate> but then again there were some hacks mentioned after i read enough, but most of it was people just saying they had cut-pasted such and such with inspecific instructions and gotten it to work, when i tried firefox started crashing randomly
[12:01] <zombics> yea :/ thy dont realse shckwave player for linux so flash for AMD64? :\
[12:03] <bestadvocate> well time to do homework
[12:08] <zombics> i have a wierd problem with SIM-icq :/ while it connecting(i try to log in to my ICQ account) it just crashes :/
[12:08] <zombics> this is the output
[12:08] <zombics> 13:06:30 [DBG]  Rosters
[12:08] <zombics> 13:06:30 [DBG]  Ignore 134687379
[12:11] <tkz> I have the following problem: Right-click on a file, choose "Open with other application". After I choose the application I want, system shows an error "could not add application to application database"
[12:11] <vara> hi
[12:11] <tkz> Any ideas how to fix?
[12:11] <vara> i just installed ubuntu
[12:11] <vara> and when i try to boot windows xp
[12:12] <vara> it says filesystem not found =/
[12:12] <NailllL> vara: old problem
[12:12] <vara> i havent found a solution in the ubuntu's docs
[12:12] <NailllL> vara: xp on hda1???
[12:12] <vara> yep
[12:12] <vara> in the first primary partition
[12:12] <vara> ntfs
[12:13] <NailllL> yep... lilo or grub?
[12:13] <vara> grub
[12:13] <vara> title           Windows XP
[12:13] <vara> root            (hd0,0)
[12:13] <vara> rootnoverify
[12:13] <vara> makeactive
[12:13] <vara> chainloader +1
[12:14] <NailllL> e`... it`s better....cause i have this probl and only thing i could do is reformat HDD......
[12:14] <vara> :!!
[12:14] <vara> i dont want to format again,
[12:14] <vara> if i had to i would format the boot partition
[12:15] <vara> noone has a solution for this problem?
[12:15] <NailllL> no......see... it`s not so easy ..... in my case...it wouldn`t boot even if i do that
[12:16] <NailllL> you should ask smbd else
[12:16] <vara> :!
[12:16] <vara> and how did u manage to get ubuntu and windows at the same time?
[12:16] <Ensiferum> upon booting i dont want to have x started automatically. how do i change that? (it's somewhere in inittab, isnt it?)
[12:16] <vara> maybe i did smthing wrong in the installation
[12:17] <jdub> Ensiferum: apt-get remove gdm :-)
[12:17] <jdub> Ensiferum: ubuntu doesn't work the same way as red hat in that regard
[12:18] <Ensiferum> jdub: i'm a bit confused. what exactly is the purpose of the gnome display manager?
[12:19] <jdub> Ensiferum: it manages the login screen and the X displays
[12:19] <vara> hi,when i try to boot windows xp
[12:19] <vara> it says filesystem not found =/
[12:19] <vara> anyone has a solution?
[12:20] <tkz> vara: is the windows hd set on LBA mode from bios?
[12:21] <vara> dunno
[12:21] <vara> its set to auto i think
[12:21] <Ensiferum> jdub: so is gdm in fact responsible for staring X, or is it still in runlevel scripts. (or am i totally off)
[12:21] <tkz> vara: it should be on LBA. Mine was on auto too and it didn't work
[12:21] <vara> tkz bios crashed after trying to boot windows xp
[12:22] <vara> im going to try it
[12:22] <Ensiferum> vara: does your system start to boot? have you tried booting up with a floppy and inspecting the window's file system?
[12:22] <tkz> vara: change the setting to LBA (only for your windows drive) and see if it boots then
[12:22] <Vaportrail> never seen a bios crash
[12:22] <vara> it didnt "crahs", it fall back to defaults
[12:22] <Vaportrail> ah k :)
[12:22] <vara> xd
[12:23] <vara> i dont speek english very well
[12:23] <tkz> Any idea how ot fix my problem with the application database?
[12:24] <tkz>  I have the following problem: Right-click on a file, choose "Open with other application". After I choose the application I want, system shows an error "could not add application to application database"
[12:27] <jdub> Ensiferum: gdm is just kicked off by an init script, and it in turn starts x
[12:27] <Vaportrail> hmm
[12:28] <vara> tkz, it stills doesnt works
[12:28] <vara> it says Auto=LBA Disabled=LBA disabled
[12:28] <Ensiferum> jdub: oki. thanks!
[12:28] <tkz> vara: you should enable LBA mode
[12:29] <vara> i set it to auto and windows gave me the error file system not found again 0x7 pr smthig
[12:29] <jintonic> how do i uninstall the mail server ubuntu sets up?
[12:29] <vara> tkz i cant "enable" it says that auto means enabled
[12:29] <tkz> vara: ok... don't know how to help you then
[12:30] <tkz>  I have the following problem: Right-click on a file, choose "Open with other application". After I choose the application I want, system shows an error "could not add application to application database"
[12:30] <vara> :(
[12:30] <Vaportrail> is ubuntu able to write on ntfs partitions?
[12:31] <tsw> no
[12:31] <Vaportrail> k, linux in general isn't or is it?
[12:32] <jintonic> postfix is the stmp server ubuntu sets up, right?
[12:32] <tsw> ntfs write support is experimental and the best way to brake your ntfs partition
[12:32] <jdub> jintonic: yes
[12:32] <vara> if u apreciate the data in your ntfs partitions you better not enable it at kernel level Vaportrail
[12:32] <Vaportrail> k, would make me a linux-only user, so why not brake it :P
[12:32] <tsw> :)
[12:33] <jintonic> what the hell, i cant uninstall postfix without uninstalling ubuntu-base?
[12:33] <Konlied> Hi I ma in the install process and I was wondering how to span root over my 2 hard drives.. I had the option to erase either disk or should I have chosen 'manually edit the partition table'?
[12:34] <jdub> jintonic: nup, ubuntu-base is the metapackage that depends on it.
[12:34] <jintonic> :-/
[12:35] <jintonic> well how can i at least make it stop listening? (not in a cheap way like a firewall rule)
[12:35] <Ensiferum> jdub: actually removing gdm wasnt such a good idea. it got me to shell yeah, but then i couldnt start x anymore (with startx). got a buch of errors i dont care to dissect.
[12:36] <jdub> Ensiferum: hrm, startx should work properly - can you paste the errors?
[12:36] <Ensiferum> jdub: anyway, rather the problem is that i'm tweaking my X settings to get the mouse working the way I like. Is there way to easily restart X, so i dont have to boot everytime i change XF86Config-4
[12:36] <Ensiferum> jdub: now, i cant anymore.
[12:36] <jdub> jintonic: it won't accept mail from public interfaces
[12:36] <huttan> Ensiferum, ctrl+alt+backspace
[12:36] <Vaportrail> Ensiferum: is it a razer one?
[12:37] <Ensiferum> Vaportrail: huh?
[12:37] <Ensiferum> mouse?
[12:37] <Vaportrail> yup
[12:37] <Ensiferum> no, logitech mx700
[12:37] <Ensiferum> i had the scroll/thumb buttons working in firefox
[12:37] <jdub> jintonic: (see /etc/postfix/master.cf)
[12:37] <Vaportrail> k, only asking because I got a problem with my Razer DiamondBack and its 1600 dpi under linux its kind a crazy
[12:37] <Ensiferum> but i want to have them working in nautilus/and such too
[12:38] <Konlied> eh.. can anyone guide me through the partitioning stage?
[12:38] <Ensiferum> huttan: thanks mate!
[12:38] <Vaportrail> is it possible to handle .bin .cue files under linux?
[12:39] <crimsun> Vaportrail: bchunk, vcdgear, cdrdao, ...
[12:39] <Vaportrail> luv ya :P
[12:39] <Konlied> Hooray for virtual drives
[12:41] <huttan> Ensiferum, :)
[12:42] <Konlied> Can anyone in this support channel walk me through partitioning? I have 2 drives..
[12:43] <tkz> How do you want the drives to be set up?
[12:44] <Konlied> I'd like to span / across them so they are treated as one drive. There are (40+20) Gigs, but I need about 55 Gb in one directory. Odd eh
[12:44] <tkz> Ok, I have no idea how to do that
[12:44] <fabbione> Konlied: you have 2 options
[12:45] <zombics> i have a wierd problem with SIM-icq :/ while it connecting(i try to log in to my ICQ account) it just crashes :/
[12:45] <zombics> this is the output
[12:45] <Konlied> 'treated as one drive' is a bit of a misnomer. More like one directoru
[12:45] <zombics> 13:06:30 [DBG]  Rosters
[12:45] <zombics> 13:06:30 [DBG]  Ignore 134687379
[12:45] <fabbione> Konlied: you can either use a raid0
[12:45] <fabbione> Konlied: or use lvm2
[12:45] <fabbione> Konlied: and you can do that directly at installation time
[12:45] <Konlied> ah.. I understand RAID need hardware, but what about LVM?
[12:46] <fabbione> Konlied: no. there is software raid that works as good as the hardware one
[12:46] <fabbione> in your specific case lvm is almost the same as using raid
[12:46] <Konlied> Great. At what point can I set these up?
[12:46] <fabbione> what i would do is:
[12:46] <fabbione> create a / parition of like 4G
[12:47] <fabbione> a swap partition of whatever amount you need
[12:47] <fabbione> and the rest in lvm
[12:47] <fabbione> Konlied: when partitioner is started
[12:47] <fabbione> you need to tell it that you want manual parititions
[12:47] <Konlied> Brilliant, I'm on the partitioner screen now.
[12:47] <fabbione> from there it is pretty simple
[12:47] <Konlied> Which method woudl you recommend - LVM or RAID?
[12:48] <fabbione> Konlied: i would go for lvm, but that's my personal choise
[12:48] <fabbione> lvm is a bit more complicated to setup
[12:48] <fabbione> but it gives more flexibility
[12:48] <Konlied> in which respects?
[12:49] <fabbione> for eg: if in 2 months you add another disk, you can "join" it to what you already have and grow your partitions
[12:49] <fabbione> with raid that becomes more complex
[12:49] <fabbione> if not impossible
[12:49] <tsw> I have one gig filesystem file (made with dd if=/dev/null of=image...) is there some way to increase the size (without reformatting) ?
[12:49] <Konlied> I see. Of course for more than 2 discs you'd be looking to get a raid controller in most cases (darn motherboards!)
[12:50] <fabbione> Konlied: not at all
[12:50] <fabbione> Konlied: i have 8 IDE disks on my box
[12:50] <fabbione> and they run on a combinantion of differen raids
[12:50] <fabbione> with lvm on top
[12:50] <fabbione> (the 2 can be combined)
[12:50] <Konlied> Ahh. How many IDE channels?
[12:50] <fabbione> 4
[12:50] <fabbione> on 2 controllers
[12:51] <fabbione> it's not THE FASTEST machine in the world..
[12:51] <fabbione> it's a storage system for me :-)
[12:51] <Konlied> Wow. That's what I'd like to do when I get the money. 250Gb*8   =)
[12:51] <fabbione> mine is 120*6 + 60*2 :-)
[12:52] <Konlied> How much of that is free??
[12:52] <fabbione> not much
[12:52] <Konlied> lol
[12:52] <fabbione> Free  PE / Size       91 / 364 MB
[12:53] <fabbione> this is at lvm layer..
[12:53] <fabbione> at fs layer i think about 80GB are free
[12:53] <huttan> Can someone help me fix my eog ?
[12:54] <Konlied> to go back to waht you said earlier, I just set up a / and a swap part, then select LVM for the rest?
[12:54] <fabbione> Konlied: kinda.. yes
[12:54] <huttan> I can open the program...but once I wanna open a picture I get this error: ** (eog:7692): CRITICAL **: file pango-color.c: line 952 (pango_color_parse): assertion `spec != NULL' failed
[12:54] <fabbione> Konlied: what you do is create a third partition on the first disk
[12:54] <fabbione> and one partition on the second one
[12:55] <fabbione> once you have done that you go to setup the LVM
[12:55] <fabbione> it will ask you to add "PG"
[12:55] <shmoolik> hello how can i find a path to a program
[12:55] <shmoolik> ?
[12:55] <fabbione> and you will select these 2 partitions
[12:55] <fabbione> Konlied: than it will ask to create a VG where to add PG
[12:55] <tsw> shmoolik: find / -name <name of the executable> -print
[12:55] <flodin> how can i copy a directory excluding all the "hidden" files? (i.e. the ones that begin with '.')
[12:56] <tsw> shmoolik: or locate <name of the exevutable>
[12:56] <fabbione> Konlied: and after that it will ask you to create the "visible" partition to the system
[12:56] <Josip> damn apache
[12:56] <Josip> i've installed it with synaptic (apache2)
[12:56] <tsw> shmoolik: or which <name of the executable>
[12:56] <Josip> it hasn't got the mod_rewrite module
[12:56] <shmoolik> tsw,  i don't know the name of the executable program i just know the package name (    its gmoo )
[12:56] <Josip> find / -name mod_rewrite.so
[12:56] <fabbione> Konlied: i don't remember 100% if it asks for the PG, but for sure it does from the VG
[12:56] <Josip> gave me the result
[12:56] <Josip> but , when i add the lines to apache2.conf i get Invalid command 'AddModule', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
[12:57] <tsw> Josip: apache2 has different module loading options
[12:58] <Konlied> forgot how big should the swap partition be?
[12:58] <tsw> Josip: check /etc/apache2/modules-available and modules-installed
[12:58] <Josip> i know those directories
[12:58] <Josip> i shall move the module there ?
[12:58] <fabbione> Konlied: that's up to you... how much ram do you have on the system?
[12:58] <Konlied> 128Mb
[12:58] <fabbione> Konlied: and i guess we are talking about i386 or higher...
[12:59] <Konlied> yeah
[12:59] <__daniel> hai
[12:59] <fabbione> Konlied: than i would do something like 512M
[12:59] <tsw> shmoolik: have you tried "gmoo"?
[12:59] <__daniel> how do i get the debian menus in current hoary again?
[12:59] <tsw> Josip: I think symlink is enough
[12:59] <shmoolik> yeah
[12:59] <crimsun> __daniel: you need 'menu' and 'menu-xdg' installed
[12:59] <shmoolik> "command not found"
[12:59] <Josip> ln you mean , right :-)
[12:59] <__daniel> crimsun: i do have those installed
[01:00] <fabbione> Konlied: usually it is RAM*4 for RAM < 256M, RAM*2 for 256 < RAM < 1GB
[01:00] <Konlied> fabbione: Do you think maybe 4Gb for / is amybe too much? Maybe 2 or 3
[01:00] <fabbione> Konlied: than it goes in fractions down to 1/4 of ram
[01:00] <crimsun> __daniel: did you log out and back in?
[01:00] <tsw> shmoolik: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=gmoo&version=stable&arch=i386
[01:00] <__daniel> crimsun: i have them installed for ages
[01:00] <fabbione> Konlied: it depedns from you... but a minimum of 2GB is reccomended
[01:00] <__daniel> crimsun: ah ok...   update-menus    did the trick
[01:00] <fabbione> Konlied: you will not regret it later.. trust me
[01:01] <Konlied> I think I can stop interrogating you now :)
[01:01] <Konlied> thankyou!
[01:01] <fabbione> no ... actually you already trust me.. in other ways....
[01:01] <fabbione> but you do.. even if you don't know that yet :)
[01:01] <Konlied> yeah, I'm a sucker ;)
[01:01] <crimsun> fabbione's got the sekrit backdoors installed in the kernel ;)
[01:02] <shmoolik> tsw, thanks
[01:02] <Josip> it works without the addmodule line
[01:04] <TheMuso> o/quit
[01:05] <bungle> hey
[01:05] <bungle> question about harware on a g3 ibook
[01:06] <bungle> can I plug an external usb dvd burner into it
[01:06] <jdub> bungle: you ought to be able to (not sure about dvd burning support over usb though, but cd should be ok)
[01:06] <tsw> Josip: there is a script that checks that folder and loads everything in it (same goes for vhosts :)
[01:07] <tkz>  I have the following problem: Right-click on a file, choose "Open with other application". After I choose the application I want, system shows an error "could not add application to application database"
[01:07] <bungle> jdub I am just running osx 10.3.? on it
[01:08] <tkz> Any idea how to fix that?
[01:08] <bungle> so hopefully it should be supported I ma looking it up now though
[01:08] <jdub> bungle: you're running  os x? then i have no idea
[01:10] <aToaster> I'm trying to install JDK and I want it to go into the system, but the self extracting binary only seems to extract into the local directory, the documentation doesn't seem to tell me how to do this, any ideas?
[01:11] <Konlied> Is is possible to set samba up to allow access to directories outside of /home/~user
[01:12] <kezz> bungle, tried #macosx?
[01:16] <aToaster> dang, this shouldn't be so hard to install
[01:16] <jintonic> how can i tell if linux is connecting to my ipod in usb1/2 mode?
[01:18] <tkz> jintonic: go to Computer->System configuration->Device manager
[01:19] <jintonic> its calling my usb 2.0 controller a usb 1.0 controller...
[01:20] <tkz> jintonic: on my computer I see both 1 and 2 controller. Find the ipod and see the USB tab. I think there you'll see which type it uses for the connection
[01:22] <jintonic> doesnt that just say the ipod is 2.0?
[01:23] <tkz> I've got two machines here. On my own I can connect MP3 players and they open up on the desktop. The other machine does not seem to notice the players at all even though USB barcode reader works just fine. Any ideas?
[01:24] <SirFred> HI.
[01:24] <SirFred> How can I add a new menu entry on Hoary ?
[01:25] <SirFred> It used to be a way to do this on Warty, right clicking on a menu item, but it's gone on Hoary.
[01:25] <SirFred> And another question, how could I know if hibernating my laptop is supported?
[01:26] <jintonic> not a significant draw of voltage... some conflict with the hotplug software and the driver/hardware... just conjecture, i know very little of linux
[01:26] <stvn> SirFred: put the proper .desktop file in /usr/share/applications and do update-desktop-database
[01:26] <Ensiferum> w00t. got my mx700 mouse to work really nice now. thumb buttons (back/frwd) work and wheel works too. \o/
[01:26] <SirFred> stvn: So, there's not a, let's call friendly way.
[01:27] <tkz> jintonic: the voltage is ruled out by the fact that the MP3 player connects on that machine when Windows is running. I'll look into the hotplug thing
[01:27] <stvn> SirFred: don't know really, i think they're working on it
[01:27] <aToaster> is there a howto for that Ensiferum?
[01:28] <SirFred> stvn: I expect so, because it's a feature that's gone.
[01:28] <SirFred> Perhaps they're giving it a new and fresh focus.
[01:29] <Ensiferum> aToaster: there are few docs on the net. none of them worked for me though. they had a few mistakes.
[01:30] <aToaster> Ensiferum, I've got the mx1000 and have been dying for a way for the back button to go back on pages in firefox
[01:31] <Ensiferum> aToaster: the mx100 probably works with the same settings as i have
[01:31] <Ensiferum> i have mx700
[01:31] <Ensiferum> no wait, did mx1000 have more buttons?
[01:32] <Vaportrail> only the tilt wheel
[01:32] <Vaportrail> or?
[01:32] <SirFred> The automount feature is not working on Hoary for my laptop since a pair of weeks.
[01:32] <aToaster> I believe only tilt wheel
[01:32] <Ensiferum> i had some serious trouble getting this stuff to work, since i didnt fully get the whole sequence of events. also some doc told that logging off/on X would reload the X settings. that is untrue.
[01:33] <SirFred> Is that a known issue, are you having the same experience?
[01:33] <Vaportrail> Ensiferum: Strg+Alt+Backspace would reload XF86Config or xorg.conf
[01:33] <Ensiferum> Vaportrail: yeah, i know it now..
[01:34] <Konlied> q: does ubuntu carry kde or not?
[01:34] <Vaportrail> ah k :P
[01:34] <Ensiferum> Vaportrail: didnt know it last night :] 
[01:34] <Vaportrail> didn't know it 2 month ago :P
[01:34] <aToaster> argh, I wish apt-get was as extensive as emerge, all the programs that I want aren't on there, J2RE, Eclipse, Anjuta, Videolan...
[01:34] <Ensiferum> with slackware i didnt use gdm
[01:34] <Ensiferum> i logging onto a shell and did startx
[01:35] <Ensiferum> so it was obvious back then as to when X settings are loaded
[01:35] <SirFred> aToaster: Is videolan the same than vlc ?
[01:35] <Vaportrail> SirFred: yup vlc = videolan client
[01:36] <SirFred> aToaster: So, it's on universe repository.
[01:36] <Konlied> is kde on ubuntu?
[01:36] <SirFred> aToaster: At least on Hoary, just now.
[01:36] <tkz> aToaster: i installed anjuta with apt-get. Maybe you need universe repository
[01:36] <Vaportrail> Konlied not on warty, but on hoary
[01:36] <Vaportrail> no it is on warty or?
[01:36] <Konlied> anything witout kde gets my vote automatically :)
[01:36] <Vaportrail> dunno, its not supported
[01:37] <aToaster> tkz really? I did the universe rep thing and it still doesn't show up
[01:37] <SirFred> aToaster: Did you update after adding that repository entrie?
[01:37] <Vaportrail> and multiverse?
[01:38] <SirFred> aToaster: I mean the reload button on Synaptic or just apt-get update
[01:38] <SirFred> What's the difference between multiverse and universe?
[01:38] <tkz> Is there a way to get apt-get to show from which repository a given piece of SW came from?
[01:39] <Vaportrail> multiverse got some additional "packages"
[01:39] <SirFred> tkz: With apt-cache show <packagename>
[01:39] <aToaster> SirFred, still nothing
[01:39] <SirFred> tkz: You see something like:
[01:39] <SirFred> Filename: pool/universe/v/vlc/vlc_0.8.1-1_i386.deb
[01:39] <SirFred> aToaster: So, if you type 'apt-cache search vlc' you got nothing?
[01:40] <aToaster> nope
[01:40] <flodin> how can i copy a directory excluding all the "hidden" files? (i.e. the ones that begin with '.')
[01:42] <SirFred> aToaster: And you made 'apt-get update' before, don't you?
[01:42] <SirFred> I see acroread, for example, is in multiverse
[01:43] <kent> flodin, i thought the hidden files would get copied if you just copy the directory? For example, in the desktop, select the directory, and choose copy.  Dont that work? (that is, dont select all the files in the dir, select the directory)
[01:43] <aToaster> SirFred, ahh ok, think I got it now, with synaptic I had to enable it in the rep options... didn't look at that, just did it manually for apt
[01:44] <aToaster> But anjuta still doesn't show
[01:44] <tkz> Checked... my anjuta came from universe
[01:45] <tkz> aToaster: type "sudo apt-get update" and then try again
[01:47] <flodin> kent: yes, what i'm saying is i want to exclude certain files
[01:47] <Adrenal> after editing visudo
[01:47] <Adrenal> how do i save it?
[01:48] <Adrenal> save changes that is
[01:48] <SirFred> Humm, there's a mplayer on multiverse.
[01:48] <aToaster> ahh holy cow it works
[01:48] <aToaster> thanks guys
[01:48] <SirFred> I think I'm going to dump the debian-marillat repository to use this multiverse thing.
[01:49] <aToaster> cedega on the apt rep?
[01:49] <tkz> aToaster: just remember to update from time to time before searching for software or updates :)
[01:49] <kent> flodin, oh, i thought you *wanted* to have the hidden files. sorry about that.  Then id think that selecting only all the files in a dir will copy only them and not the hidden once..
[01:49] <aToaster> ah well I thought I did, but I think it was because I had synaptic open at the same time, it couldn't update or something
[01:50] <Adrenal> how do i save changes to visudo then close the program?
[01:50] <flodin> kent: yeah i'm looking more for something at large scale. Think the order of 2000 files
[01:50] <tkz> Does anyone know where to get the w32codes package? Debian-marilat just complains that only 2 connections is allowed per IP and doesn't let me download it
[01:50] <flodin> but i think i found something in zsh that might work
[01:52] <aToaster> so how do I find stuff on the apt rep?
[01:53] <tkz> aToaster: with synaptic you just type the name to the search tool
[01:54] <kezz> heh i broke my synaptic
[01:54] <aToaster> I mean is there a way to do it cl?
[01:55] <tkz> apt-get search
[01:55] <tkz> sorry
[01:55] <aToaster> thanks =)
[01:57] <tkz> apt-get search doesn't seem to work... i remember there was somethin like that???
[01:57] <hannes__> ja paljon enemmn kuolee muualla
[01:57] <hannes__> whoops
[01:57] <hannes__> wrong window
[01:58] <tkz> hannes__: wrong window? "Vr ikuna" :D
[01:58] <hannes__> yep
[01:58] <hannes__> exactl :D
[01:58] <hannes__> +y
[02:00] <aToaster> hrmm, does anjuta highlight like... scintella does?
[02:01] <aToaster> ahh ok, needed to save it first
[02:03] <aToaster> I'm new to programming on linux, where would the standard C/C++ libraries be in linux?
[02:03] <kezz> libc
[02:03] <da_bon_bon> if u need a compiler just use gcc
[02:03] <kezz> aToaster, you need to sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:04] <aToaster> have done it, just want to know where they are located
[02:04] <warty> Hi, I need some help using warty live
[02:05] <warty> I am using it now, BUT I have difficultz with the video setup
[02:06] <da_bon_bon> warty: video as in ? mpg files or something lese ?
[02:06] <Ensiferum> please read and comment: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~savaisan/stuff/mx700.txt
[02:06] <Ensiferum> :)
[02:06] <warty> I cannot change the resolution of the desktop. It is set at 640.480 and 100 MHz. No other possibilities.
[02:07] <da_bon_bon> ok.
[02:07] <warty> During boot I am also asked to choose a video mode from a lost of 7 possibilities. I am uisng a new DELL Optiplex
[02:07] <aToaster> mmm... I think I'm gonna like anjuta =D
[02:08] <Konlied> I like anjuta too, but bluefish is where it's at for php and the like
[02:08] <Konlied> great interface
[02:09] <Vaportrail> does anjuta have (dunno right english word) code collapse?
[02:10] <aToaster> if only I can get eclipse working
[02:10] <warty> Does anyone know what I need to do to be able to change the resolution in ubuntu?
[02:10] <Ensiferum> warty: what drivers have you got?
[02:11] <warty> I have the drivers that are on the ubuntu warty live CD.
[02:11] <Ensiferum> what's the graphics card then?
[02:11] <Ensiferum> is the monitor probing succesful?
[02:11] <Ensiferum> you can see all that crap in XF86config file
[02:12] <aToaster> alright well, thanks for all the help guys! I'm off to sleep
[02:13] <warty> Another symptom: When I switch to a terminal and enter a command like ping ipnr I can not stop it with Ctrl C or Ctrl X.  Als, I cannot see the last lines of n the termonal and have to enter the command blind.
[02:13] <warty> Monitor probing... I am using the ubuntu on the monitor now.
[02:13] <warty> I will liik in the log file
[02:14] <Konlied> warty: for the second problem its likely you need to fiddle with your monitor a bit, I know I do
[02:14] <flodin> grrr
[02:14] <flodin> globbing just isn't enough for recursive copying
[02:15] <YorHel> help! I can't enable DMA on my IDE drives, hdparm -d1 /dev/hda gives me "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted"
[02:15] <flodin> even with recursive globbing, cp will just try to put all the files in the same dir
[02:15] <Konlied> YorHel: upgrade firmware?
[02:15] <warty> Lost contact. Now I am back. Sorrz
[02:16] <YorHel> Konlied: firmware? :$
[02:16] <jintonic> i get this error when i try to run tux racer: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:16] <YorHel> well, I know I need to load a module in the kernel, but I dont know which module...
[02:17] <YorHel> for an intel IDE controller
[02:17] <Konlied> ah, you could go to BIOS (press F1 or delete on startup) and identify the IDE controller that way
[02:18] <YorHel> hmm, isn't it OS-specific, since windows has DMA enabled...
[02:18] <Konlied> from thereon just google :)
[02:18] <jintonic> :-/ i don't think i've ever seen a bios that states what specific hardware it has on the motherboard
[02:19] <Konlied> YorHel: not always. It depends on wther the HW will allow it
[02:19] <Konlied> Mine does. Beside I just look tings up according to serial numbers on google.
[02:20] <jintonic> what motherboard?
[02:20] <YorHel> but err... the bios knows exactly what IDE controller I use...
[02:21] <YorHel> I think...
[02:21] <YorHel> whatever, ill have a look @ the bios :)
[02:21] <warty> I tried to move the menu bar at the top of the desktop to clp to access the clos window button and now the meunbar is on the right side of the desktop andhas huge, and I mean HUGE icons which cover the right quarter of the desktop so I cannot see what I am typing untill ist is hald waz across the screen. I cannot seem to be able to move the menu bar. How do I dothat_
[02:23] <Konlied> warty: rightclick the 'menubar' (it's called a panel), select 'preferences', select panel position.
[02:24] <Konlied> You can also chane the size of the panel from that dialog
[02:24] <Konlied> chane=change
[02:26] <warty> I cannot find a place on the panel to right click that will give me perferences. I see a footprint, @Applications@ @Computer and then t 1&2 HUGE icons for Evolution, HELP, Moyilla Frifox. But when I rightg click on these all., I get properties for the icon & program and not for the panel.
[02:29] <YorHel> grr, bios doesn't give me any info...
[02:30] <kent> warty, one solution would to either remove those icons on the panel to get free space to click at,  or to press ALT+F1 and login as the user, and remove the ".gnome2" directory in your home.  All the settings are hidden there, so that will make it go back to normal again. But please ask some one else first, becaus im not 100% sure, and dont want to mess up your computer.
[02:30] <kent> warty, if you dont know how to delete the icons and get them back manually, i would have deleted the .gnome2 directory, since then you will get all back.
[02:31] <warty> OK, now after I removed all the icons I could see, I was able to find the emptz space where I could click on preferences adn make the changes. Ok, now back to the originasl problem.
[02:33] <kent> warty, and what was the main problem?
[02:36] <warty> The main problem was that I cannot change the resolutino for the desktop. It is stuck at 640x480 and 100 Hz. Also in the console the comand line is off the bottom of the screen.  At boot up I am asked to choose a mode for the video. Nothing seems to help.
[02:36] <YorHel> ok, short question: lspci says that I as IDE controller: "0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) Ultra ATA 100 Storage Controller (rev 02)" - what kernel module do I need to load to enable DMA?
[02:37] <kent> warty, if you go to the system settings and choose Screen resolution in the menu (im not sure of the names, i run Hoary now and i think they changed some names.) do you have other resolutions to change to, or only that one?
[02:38] <warty> no, only that one resolution
[02:38] <kent> warty, if you have no other resolutions, then perhaps you can edit the XF86-Config file in /etc/X11 and add some resolutions? Its proably hard for you, but i think that might help.
[02:39] <warty> I am booting from a live cd to test things. A change there will not last for the next reboot.
[02:39] <warty> I need a solutioin that I can use at boot time.
[02:40] <kent> warty, ok, but then try to edit that file, and then restart the X-server (press CTRL+ALT-Backspace)
[02:40] <Guardiann> good morning everyone
[02:40] <ZzeCoOl> morning?
[02:40] <Guardiann> yep
[02:40] <ZzeCoOl> here it is 15:40
[02:40] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:40] <Guardiann> 8:40
[02:40] <mojo> morn
[02:40] <ZzeCoOl> ohhh
[02:41] <mojo> n
[02:41] <mojo> g
[02:41] <ZzeCoOl> 8:40 where?
[02:41] <Guardiann> ontario canada  and you
[02:41] <ZzeCoOl> Greece
[02:41] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:41] <Guardiann> wow
[02:41] <ZzeCoOl> goodmorning then
[02:41] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[02:41] <Guardiann> :)
[02:42] <ZzeCoOl> funny things can happen in irc
[02:42] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[02:42] <Guardiann> i am liking Ubuntu i think more and more
[02:42] <ZzeCoOl> hehe ubuntu rocks
[02:42] <Guardiann> yeah funny like hmmm a headache :)
[02:42] <ZzeCoOl> but i have big ATi problem
[02:42] <Guardiann> yeah it sure seems to
[02:42] <mojo> Greets.  M havin probs with realplayer... methinks it is problem w/ sending sound to wrong 'card'.  only have my Audigy2 hooked up but the installer also recognized my mobo soundchip.  Helix site sux 4 help.  ne1 know how to config rplayer or change default for /dev/dsp output?
[02:42] <warty> Which XF86Config file?  XF86Config, XF86Config/4, XF86Config.in, or XF86Config/4.in  ?
[02:43] <kezz> XF86Config
[02:43] <Guardiann> i am using xine so am not sure
[02:43] <ZzeCoOl> the first one probably warty
[02:43] <Guardiann> hello kezz
[02:43] <mojo> ubuntu almost rocks but it won't let me use my 250gb SATA drive and that's a big bummer (and my other prob bsides the rplayer issue)
[02:43] <kezz> hi Guardiann
[02:44] <Guardiann> kezz thanks for the help the last couple days
[02:44] <warty> XF86Config is a big file. How and where do I add resolutions to it?
[02:44] <Ensiferum> mojo: what chipset have you got?
[02:44] <kezz> Guardiann, no problem
[02:45] <kezz> warty: i think you need to edit the Monitor section
[02:45] <mojo> i am runnin the nforce3-250 chipset (msi k9n neo2 platinum mobo).  sata is nvidia and audio (i think) is realtek on mobo... but i wanna use the audigy
[02:45] <mojo> ps - audigy2 works fine for xmms and such... just cant get rplayer to use it.
[02:45] <Guardiann> do you know why the option of being able to log into gdm as root is disabled
[02:46] <ZzeCoOl> warty......EndSubSection
[02:46] <ZzeCoOl>         SubSection "Display"
[02:46] <ZzeCoOl>                 Depth           24
[02:46] <ZzeCoOl>                 Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[02:46] <ZzeCoOl>         EndSubSection
[02:46] <Ensiferum> mojo: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html
[02:46] <ZzeCoOl> something look this
[02:46] <warty> Is this a usual problem? If so, then it is a verz difficult live CD.  I have not had this problem with Knmoppix on this computer.
[02:46] <ZzeCoOl> locate it and add...resolutions
[02:46] <mojo> regarding sata - ppls have told me to use kernel 2.6.10 which is not one of those avail. from ubuntu so i have to, like, learn how to build my own kernel i guess?  or can i just find and build upgraded modules???  (am new to that schtuff)
[02:46] <jdub> Guardiann: because a) root is disabled in ubuntu and b) you should NOT be logging in to your desktop as root EVER
[02:47] <ZzeCoOl> jdub: why NOT?
[02:47] <Ensiferum> mojo: you're gonna have some hard time ahead of you :|
[02:47] <ZzeCoOl> Guardiann: you can open root acc by typing sudo passwd
[02:47] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: running every desktop process as root is a recipe for disaster (unsafe), and entirely insecure
[02:47] <Guardiann> jdub yeah I know but the person running it should have the choice
[02:48] <jdub> Guardiann: you have the choice to change the gdm configuration file
[02:48] <warty> I located it and opened it in an editor. The font is HUGE, becauseof the bir resolutioin. Where do I add resoluitons?
[02:48] <Guardiann> zzeCool you can also enable it to be able to open if you want it
[02:48] <jdub> Guardiann: but it is *not* a sane thing to do
[02:48] <ZzeCoOl> insecure my ass......if you dont run any service and your pc is a HOME pc then there is no problem
[02:48] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: your web browser is running as root
[02:48] <Guardiann> jdub i didnt say it was. I was simply asking a question
[02:48] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: your java applets are running as root
[02:49] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: random j. application you download (from apt or anywhere else) is running as root
[02:49] <ZzeCoOl> yes ok but i dont have any port forwarded to this machine....by  my router
[02:49] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: this means you are completely unprotected from anything that app may choose to do, nefarious or stupid
[02:49] <Guardiann> so relax and take a breath :)
[02:49] <kezz> jdub, java applets running as root aren't too bad
[02:49] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: dude, ports don't matter
[02:49] <mojo> Ensiferum: thx for the link... think i actually been there though.  Garzicks pages didn't help me much knowing how to add/replace/update the nv_sata portion or even know if i can w/o recompiling stuff.
[02:49] <kezz> as long as their applets
[02:49] <ZzeCoOl> ok
[02:49] <ZzeCoOl> no problem
[02:49] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: it's nothing to do with remote access to your machine
[02:50] <tkz> Is there a way to add supported printers to the "add new printer" database? It doesn't seem to support Epson CX5200
[02:50] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: consider a firefox exploit that allowed an attacker to write to random files on the disk simply by displaying a web page (there have been many holes like this in IE)
[02:50] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: running as a user, it couldn't do much
[02:50] <mojo> I did talk in #debian and there is a guy there using nforce3-250 sata successfully but i didn't get much more info... they were all tellin me i was off topic because i have a ubuntu install not debian
[02:51] <ZzeCoOl> jdub: you have to know that ...you can just use an exploits against a service..... if there is no service running at all ...then what i have to afraid?
[02:51] <mojo> so i never got to find out which kernel or libata/nv_sata versions he was usin.  'least i know it *can* work.  meh.
[02:51] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: the service is your web browser, running as root
[02:51] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: it's nothing to do with open ports or daemons
[02:51] <ZzeCoOl> yes but it isnt accesable from outside
[02:51] <Guardiann> jdub is there away of starting k3b without being root
[02:51] <ZzeCoOl> that im trying to tell you
[02:51] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: yes it absolutely is -> you are downloading insecure information from the internet all the time
[02:52] <jdub> Guardiann: sudo k3b
[02:52] <Guardiann> yeah i know but is there another way
[02:52] <jdub> Guardiann: why would you need another way?
[02:52] <Guardiann> as in from an icon on a desktop
[02:52] <warty> Can anzone help me to find the cause that I havew only one very large resolution. I am using ubuntu live cd.
[02:53] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: running everything as root means your machine is entirely susceptible to any kind of security hole in local apps that download unknown data (from the network)
[02:53] <jdub> Guardiann: make an icon that runs gksudo k3b
[02:53] <Guardiann> ah thanks
[02:54] <YorHel> bleh... *feels ignored*
[02:54] <lifeless> ZzeCoOl: did someone tell you that you had to be accessible from the outside to be at risk ?
[02:54] <jdub> this is why so many people think linspire is a terrible, terrible joke :-)
[02:54] <kent> ZzeCoOl, Your turning your computer into as insecure as windows. Its very bad, when people actually have put time into making it secure for you.
[02:54] <jdub> it ends up being worse than windows
[02:54] <lifeless> ZzeCoOl: cause if they did, they lied to you.
[02:54] <Guardiann> guys i didnt mean to start a war it was a simple question
[02:54] <ZzeCoOl> jdub: you are a little bit confused........ open a console and then tryu sudo nautilus...when nautilus start open a second console and type ps -aux ...as u can see when using sudo root is the one opening tha appl
[02:54] <jdub> Guardiann: you didn't start one ;)
[02:55] <YorHel> short question: lspci says that I as IDE controller: "0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) Ultra ATA 100 Storage Controller (rev 02)" - what kernel module do I need to load to enable DMA?
[02:55] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: yes, you are running nautilus as root.
[02:55] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: don't do that.
[02:55] <ZzeCoOl> o god
[02:56] <ZzeCoOl> there are many things that you are running by deafault at boot or .... as root
[02:56] <ZzeCoOl> ps -aux ....is your answer
[02:56] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: very few on ubuntu, we've done quite a bit of work on that :-)
[02:56] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: and never an entire desktop
[02:56] <warty> Can anzone explane to run unbuntu with a diffewrent resolution?
[02:56] <jdub> (i mean, dude, consider the fact that you can't log in as root on ubuntu...)
[02:57] <jdub> warty: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:57] <warty> I am using warty live cd. Will that work there too?
[02:57] <Guardiann> jdub it works great thanks
[02:57] <jdub> warty: oh; not sure.
[02:58] <ZzeCoOl> jdub: the one that considering me is ATi 3.14.6 drivers that there is no way to load them
[02:58] <ZzeCoOl> all the others ...
[02:58] <ZzeCoOl> even if someone gor root my box there is no problem
[02:58] <warty> The resolution on the console is such that I cannot see the command line where I am typing.
[02:59] <Guardiann> this channel is growing :)
[02:59] <ZzeCoOl> :
[02:59] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[02:59] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: what do the ati drivers have to do with this?
[02:59] <Guardiann> damm i hate the snow
[03:00] <ZzeCoOl> i love it
[03:00] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[03:00] <ZzeCoOl> im a snowboarder
[03:00] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[03:00] <Guardiann> you can have all of mine
[03:00] <ZzeCoOl> hahaha
[03:00] <Guardiann> supposed to be another 15 cm here today
[03:01] <ZzeCoOl> wow
[03:01] <warty> Running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. It asks for desired x server driver. Which is desirable?
[03:01] <Guardiann> warty i am not sure or I would answer you
[03:01] <mgedmin> warty: xserver-xorg is newer
[03:01] <jdub> mgedmin: it's not on the warty livecd...
[03:02] <jdub> warty: what kind of video card do you have?
[03:02] <ZzeCoOl> is there anyone that can help me with ATi
[03:02] <mgedmin> oh, right
[03:02] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: read the restricted hardware page on the wiki
[03:02] <ZzeCoOl> jdub: i allready did this
[03:02] <ZzeCoOl> even the rage 3d guide
[03:02] <lexhider> erv identify SeXxY7!
[03:03] <kezz> heh
[03:03] <ZzeCoOl> jdub: i dont know anyone that manage to install properly ATi's 3.14.6 in ubuntu ....im strarting considering that it is ubuntu  problem
[03:03] <kezz> change ur pass lexhider
[03:03] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: use the drivers provided
[03:03] <lexhider> I know, I know, what a mofo.
[03:04] <ZzeCoOl> ok ....yeahhhh thsi is S solution
[03:04] <Guardiann> :)
[03:04] <warty> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[03:04] <Rene_S> Morning everyone :)
[03:04] <jdub> lexhider: tmbg fan? :)
[03:04] <occy> jdub: know much about touchpads?
[03:04] <jdub> occy: nup
[03:04] <occy> :(
[03:04] <occy> occy.net/inspiron7500
[03:04] <ZzeCoOl> i just want to use 3.14.6 not a driver that it is 9 months older
[03:04] <pybe-lappy> im trying to print a pdf file but everything I do just produces postscript like text (the pdf headers i think)
[03:04] <occy> pybe hey bud.
[03:04] <pybe-lappy> occy: hey still no luck
[03:05] <warty> Vidoe Card according to lspci is>0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[03:05] <lexhider> jdub: I still have that single.
[03:05] <pybe-lappy> occy: mine works straight out the box =)
[03:05] <lexhider> what's the command for password change?
[03:05] <ZzeCoOl> passwd
[03:05] <occy> pybe-lappy: well good for you :P~
[03:05] <occy> pybe-lappy: :)
[03:05] <lexhider> irc password change.
[03:05] <ZzeCoOl> ahmmm
[03:06] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: no guarantee it'll work
[03:06] <kezz> lexhider, msg nickserv help
[03:06] <ZzeCoOl> jdub: but it working smooth and fine at other distros like Gentoo
[03:06] <Ensiferum> with lsmod, does 0 in used by field indicate that the module really is unsuded and can be unloaded from the running kernel?
[03:06] <ZzeCoOl> thats why im wondering it is ubuntu problem
[03:07] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: gentoo is fifty zillion different versions of everything, that really doesn't mean anything
[03:07] <Konlied> how do i login as root?
[03:07] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: the ati drivers are known to be painful
[03:07] <Konlied> when I didn't define a root password to startwith?
[03:07] <jdub> Konlied: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:07] <jdub> Konlied: summary - root is disabled on ubuntu, use sudo
[03:07] <ZzeCoOl> ....and the breath taking super wow ubuntu ...just dont run with ATi
[03:08] <ZzeCoOl> i like ubuntu ...
[03:08] <ZzeCoOl> but no ATi
[03:08] <jdub> or stick with the drivers that are shipped with the system
[03:08] <pybe-lappy> jdub: root isnt disabled on my install....
[03:09] <jdub> pybe-lappy: if you've done a fresh install, and you haven't set the root password after the fact, then yes, it is :)
[03:09] <ZzeCoOl> pybe-lappy: you probably got rooted before even install it...
[03:09] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[03:09] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[03:10] <warty> dpkg-reconfigure xserver=xfree86 done.. No change visible in resolution list.
[03:10] <warty> what now?
[03:11] <pybe-lappy> jdub: ahh i have set the root passwd after the fact
[03:11] <ZzeCoOl> point your self with a gun?....
[03:11] <Guardiann> for anyone who has not seen this this is a great place to visit http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[03:11] <jdub> warty: tough call with the livecd
[03:11] <pybe-lappy> ZzeCoOl: my computers are always behind good firewalls they havent been rooted yet
[03:12] <ZzeCoOl> pybe-lappy: for every one there is the first time
[03:12] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[03:12] <lexhider> any apple notebook users here?
[03:12] <pybe-lappy> ZzeCoOl: suppose
[03:12] <warty> I wanted to use the live CD to show off unbuntu.  Guess I can|t use it.
[03:13] <ZzeCoOl> mine is behind aaa bvery good 50 inch cement wall...that will do the job
[03:13] <ZzeCoOl> just kidding
[03:13] <pybe-lappy> ha ha
[03:13] <Guardiann> lexhider doesnt seem to be anyone
[03:13] <warty> With knoppix, I could use cheat codes to pass info to kernel so that the resolution fit. Is ther  a waz to do that here too?
[03:14] <tkz>  I have the following problem: Right-click on a file, choose "Open with other application". After I choose the application I want, system shows an error "could not add application to application database"
[03:14] <jdub> warty: you can, but i don't have the specific answer you're looking for. that doesn't mean you can't use it.
[03:15] <lexhider> jdub: are you an apple man?
[03:15] <warty> Does anyone know where to get the list of cheat codes for ubuntu?
[03:15] <jdub> warty: there may be, perhaps check the morphix documentation (the warty livecd was built with morphix)
[03:15] <jdub> lexhider: my previous notebook was a green ibook
[03:16] <ZzeCoOl> http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000293026218/ (ahahahahahahahaahhah)
[03:16] <Guardiann> anyone using hoary?
[03:16] <jdub> Guardiann: yes
[03:16] <Guardiann> many improvements?
[03:17] <Guardiann> or differences
[03:17] <LBM> any gnome-bluetooth packages for hoary someplace?
[03:17] <lexhider> jdub: my housemate's buying an apple notebook. Is a powerbook worth the extra $$ or will an ibook fit the bill [I've never used a mac] .
[03:17] <kezz> lexhider, im on an ibook and ubuntu works great on it
[03:18] <jdub> lexhider: for use with linux? i wouldn't really recommend any of the current models
[03:18] <lexhider> not linux, OS X
[03:18] <ZzeCoOl> ibook looks very kinky especialy with any manga wallpaper :> ixixixxi
[03:18] <broodster> hey, how come my gaim keeps shutting down every time i send a file
[03:18] <jdub> lexhider: not really the channel for osx/mac stuff :)
[03:18] <kezz> lexhider, whats she going to use it for?
[03:20] <lexhider> kezz: general email/office stuff but may end up getting a dig. camera.
[03:20] <broodster> can someone help me?
[03:20] <kezz> lexhider, ibook will be fine
[03:20] <kezz> lexhider, the extra $ for a powerbook probably isn't worth it for just general stuff
[03:21] <Vaportrail> back from cleaning my keyboard :D
[03:21] <broodster> hey, how come my gaim keeps shutting down every time i send a file
[03:22] <lexhider> kezz: I told here the extra $1k was overkill and to beef up RAM to >=500m
[03:23] <tkz> broodster: I've had gaim to crash a couple of times after sending a file. Seems like a bug in gaim
[03:23] <kezz> lexhider, yeah remember that ibooks have a ram limit of 640mb i believe
[03:23] <kezz> my g4 does anyway
[03:26] <lexhider> kezz: thanks, I think new limit is 1.25g, sorry about all off-topic chat everyone.
[03:28] <tkz>  I have the following problem: Right-click on a file, choose "Open with other application". After I choose the application I want, system shows an error "could not add application to application database". How do I solve this?
[03:33] <broodster> Does anyone know of a good website editor for Ubuntu/Linux which runs on the AMD64 architecture?
[03:33] <broodster> oh and thanks for the word tkz
[03:35] <Ensiferum> hmm. is there a different between installing nvidia drivers using synaptic (nvidia-glx) or then installing off nvidia's site?
[03:35] <Ensiferum> difference*
[03:39] <mirak> hi
[03:39] <mirak> how to play monkey audio mpc files ?
[03:39] <bestadvocate_> good question
[03:39] <ycco> YES!
[03:39] <ycco> Tigert to the rescue!
[03:39] <ycco> heh
[03:39] <mirak> I tried once to compile the source but it failed
[03:39] <ycco> he fixx0red my touchpad.
[03:40] <ycco> hurrah
[03:40] <Ensiferum> nobody knows the difference?
[03:41] <Guardiann> Eniferum if you use synaptic it installs them for you I believe
[03:42] <Ensiferum> Guardiann: is it the same driver just packed up?
[03:42] <Guardiann> not sure
[03:42] <Ensiferum> i think i'm gonna install the nvidia driver off their site
[03:43] <Guardiann> :)
[03:43] <Ensiferum> the installer they provide is sweet
[03:43] <Ensiferum> has never failed on me
[03:43] <broodster> Does anyone know of a good website editor for Ubuntu/Linux which runs on the AMD64 architecture?
[03:43] <Guardiann> broodster sorry I do not
[03:43] <Ensiferum> emacs :)
[03:44] <broodster> =[
[03:44] <tkz> broodster: have you checked is Screem works?
[03:44] <broodster> Screem?
[03:45] <pybe-lappy> broodster: apt-get it its ok
[03:45] <tkz> broodster: yes, screem... ...I've got it but mine's an overclocked duron processor :)
[03:45] <broodster> apt-get screem?
[03:46] <broodster> apt-get install screem?
[03:46] <broodster> right?
[03:46] <tkz> broodster: should be, I installed that one via synaptic
[03:47] <broodster> i gotta restart after i install right?
[03:47] <tkz> broodster: just type screem in terminal
[03:48] <broodster> oh
[03:48] <broodster> awesome
[03:48] <tkz> broodster: after you restart, it shoul show up in applications->programming
[03:48] <neenee> hm
[03:48] <broodster> hey i think somethings wrong with my repositries
[03:49] <broodster> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:49] <broodster> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:49] <neenee> i just updated debian with a hoary repository
[03:49] <broodster> i always get this when i do any form of apt-get command
[03:55] <pybe-lappy> broodster: its telling you that the path shown does not exist
[04:00] <pybe-lappy> still cant print pdf files.... anyone had any experiance with this?
[04:02] <Cloudchaser> i printed some with no problems
[04:02] <Cloudchaser> with xpdf and with the acroread-plugin
[04:02] <Cloudchaser> is it all pdfs or just certain ones?
[04:03] <pybe-lappy> Cloudchaser: tried xpdf acroread ggv gpdf... all just print garbage
[04:03] <pybe-lappy> Cloudchaser: all i have tried
[04:03] <Cloudchaser> other things print fine on your printer?
[04:04] <pybe-lappy> yep all txt oo firfox etc print fine
[04:07] <Cloudchaser> pybe-lappy, i'm not too sure what the issue is...i am printing to an smb printer..an hplj6
[04:07] <Cloudchaser> works fine..what type of printer is yours?
[04:09] <ycco> anything I need to apt-get install to get apm or battery stuff working on my laptop under ubuntu?
[04:11] <Cloudchaser> pybe-lappy, maybe you can write to the email list and see if anyone has an answer for you
[04:11] <bretze1> Hi there again just want to say that : I was too much used to KDE and its full of stuff (cool or scrap) And With Ubuntu default gnome well setup, I realize that Gnome is now really better in speed and eye-candy - Not too heavy-weigth GUI compared to KDE ...:-)
[04:12] <Cloudchaser> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ (link to the mailing lists)
[04:13] <Cloudchaser> ycco i have no answer for you...maybe when more people are about someone could help you
[04:13] <Cloudchaser> i have to go to sleep now
[04:13] <ycco> Cloudchaser: heh, night.
[04:13] <Cloudchaser> hehe well its morning but i got home from work not long ago :)
[04:15] <pybe-lappy> ycco: on my dell c400 it all works under acpi
[04:15] <ycco> pybe-lappy: just rubbin' it in huh?
[04:15] <pybe-lappy> Cloudchaser: cheers have emailed the list just mow
[04:15] <ycco> pybe-lappy: just ruuuuubbbin' it in.
[04:15] <ycco> heh
[04:15] <pybe-lappy> ycco: apm isnt in the ubuntu kernel afaict
[04:16] <pybe-lappy> ycco: you could try booting with acpi=off apm-on
[04:16] <pybe-lappy> apm=on
[04:18] <Cloudchaser> good luck pybe ;)
[04:18] <bretze1> Someone can tell me if it is possible to make the Grub and console in framebuffer mode ( without to mess up with redoing from scratch initrd ) ??
[04:20] <Ensiferum> i pulled in 2.6.8.1-4-686-smp kernel. but i can only find 2.6.8.1-3-686-smp headers. what does the 1-3 (1-4) mean?
[04:24] <pybe-lappy> Cloudchaser: cheers
[04:25] <Guardiann> damm i cant break this ;)
[04:26] <Guardiann> and man have i tried
[04:26] <jinty> brian has a cup of coffee
[04:28] <Guardiann> and so do I
[04:32] <lek> you can't break what?
[04:33] <neenee> the cookie with the coffee he's having :)
[04:33] <Nonphasis> how can I add stuff to the "Applications" menu?
[04:34] <Nonphasis> in order to add it to panel later on
[04:36] <Guardiann> neenee your tooooooooooooooooo funny
[04:36] <Guardiann> actually Ubuntu
[04:36] <neenee> too is never good :|
[04:36] <neenee> ubuntu?
[04:36] <Guardiann> but toooooooooooooooo  is always good
[04:36] <Guardiann> ;)
[04:36] <Guardiann> yeah it just keeps working
[04:37] <Guardiann> and i have tried hard
[04:37] <randabis-wireles> heh
[04:37] <randabis-wireles> you can type nautilus applications:///
[04:37] <aracataca> hi to all!
[04:38] <neenee> hello
[04:38] <Vaportrail> ubuntu and its community got an best of year 2004 award, so... :)
[04:38] <Vaportrail> hi
[04:38] <Vaportrail> aracataca #ubuntu-de :P
[04:38] <randabis-wireles> then right-click and add launcher
[04:38] <Nonphasis> randabis-wireles, thx
[04:38] <neenee> i will try ubuntu too
[04:38] <Guardiann> nautilus applications:/// randabis-wireles <<<<<< ijust did  ;)
[04:38] <neenee> at the moment i am on debian
[04:38] <aracataca> jaja, da gehts auch hin, spter  ;)
[04:38] <randabis-wireles> np
[04:38] <Vaportrail> hrhr
[04:39] <Vaportrail> sind nur so wenig drin da :)
[04:39] <neenee> warum spreche sie deutsch?
[04:39] <neenee> or is this an international channel?
[04:40] <ycco> dasta besta yah
[04:40] <ycco> heh
[04:40] <neenee> i'm used to separate channels for different languages
[04:40] <neenee> but i can get used to mixed.
[04:40] <aracataca> yeah, get with it...
[04:40] <Vaportrail> oh no, its english only
[04:40] <ycco> Anyone speakin' any of that furin' stuff will be delt with.
[04:41] <aracataca> but thats for better understanding and support, i hope!  :)
[04:41] <randabis> there, easier this way
[04:41] <Nonphasis> well, that worked, thx
[04:41] <ycco> heh
[04:41] <randabis> got the laptop next to the main box and typing over there is awkward
[04:41] <Nonphasis> but it sure wasn't easy. how is the user supposed to guess "applications:///"?
[04:41] <flodin> the gcc version in warty has bugs that makes it impossible for me to work... is there a smarter way to install the latest version, than just uninstalling g++ and compiling sources into /usr/local?
[04:41] <randabis> haha
[04:42] <neenee> hm
[04:42] <randabis> well, I'd think a new user would at least read the starter guide
[04:42] <neenee> now that doesn't make me want to rush into ubuntu
[04:42] <aracataca> so my problem this time: too many windows crashed my window-manager, and now it won't open the "window-changer" itself
[04:42] <neenee> flodins' question that is
[04:42] <Nonphasis> starter guide?
[04:42] <Guardiann> it has been working great for me so far
[04:42] <randabis> www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:42] <aracataca> so whats the name of the application to start it?
[04:43] <randabis> http://img57.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img57&image=gdesklets6em.jpg
[04:43] <randabis> go gdesklets
[04:43] <ycco> if I have apmd installed then I should have a /proc/apm right?
[04:43] <Vaportrail> aracataca: it crashed metacity?
[04:43] <neenee> http://neeneedesktop.now.nu - go ion3 :)
[04:43] <aracataca> well, if that is the name for it
[04:44] <Vaportrail> its the name for the gnome windowmanager
[04:44] <flodin> neenee: this is the big problem with a fixed release schedule and no package updates between releases
[04:44] <randabis> hehe cool
[04:44] <flodin> neenee: the advantage is better support and fewer problems overall
[04:44] <randabis> I gots me a transparent eterm, but it's not in that shot
[04:44] <Guardiann> flodin what are the probloems you are having
[04:44] <aracataca> maybe it was just parts of it, the ability to use several desktops, in particular
[04:45] <neenee> flodin: hm. well, i used gentoo for over a year.. i suppose i can deal with problems in ubuntu
[04:45] <neenee> it'll be a challenge, though hopefully not one i will regret accepting :)
[04:45] <Nonphasis> wow. this ubuntuguide.org rocks
[04:45] <flodin> Guardiann: when i compile with -O0, gcc says "warning: control reaches end of non-void function" for numerous void functions, including system functions in the STL headers
[04:46] <randabis> yeah it was very handy Nonphasis
[04:46] <neenee> flodin: use -O, do not put a zero there
[04:46] <Guardiann> there you go
[04:47] <flodin> neenee: i just switched from gentoo myself. I got tired of design flaws in the gentoo package system that broke my system... i can't say i'm unhappy about switching, but i wouldn't say either of them is a clear winner
[04:48] <flodin> neenee: that's not the same is it? -O means optimize, -O0 means do not optimize
[04:48] <randabis> I like gentoo, except compile times
[04:48] <randabis> otherwise it be schweet
[04:48] <Nonphasis> btw, when was the hoary release date again?
[04:48] <randabis> um...not sure, gotta be a few months away
[04:48] <neenee> flodin: hmm.. i've never seen -O0 being used
[04:48] <neenee> flodin: i assumed it was erroneous
[04:49] <randabis> count 6 months from oct 26
[04:49] <flodin> neenee: -O0 is equivalent to having no option at all. What I mean to say is that with -O2 it compiles without warnings, and with no -O2 there it gives a gazillion warnings about forgotten return statements (but it still compiles the program)
[04:49] <neenee> i see
[04:49] <randabis> sometime in April/early may I imagine
[04:49] <Nonphasis> i guess i'll wait for hoary to get cd-burning to work
[04:49] <neenee> without it uses the optimization set by the devs of whatever you're compiling, which is broken?
[04:49] <randabis> cd-burning already works
[04:49] <randabis> use k3b
[04:50] <Nonphasis> k3b doesn't see my drive
[04:50] <randabis> ooh
[04:50] <Nonphasis> and it also hangs on startup...
[04:50] <randabis> well there's a few others you can try...
[04:50] <flodin> neenee: well i'm the developer... and without an -O option, it uses no optimization. Which is what I want, in order to debug the program
[04:51] <Nonphasis> nautilus cd burner used to be usable for burning, but by the time ubuntu went final, it stopped working
[04:51] <neenee> flodin: ok. i thought it used no extra optimization with -O either
[04:51] <randabis> it works for me, but I like zee k3b
[04:51] <Nonphasis> knowing that hoary will be out in the near future, i'm too lazy to do the ide-scsi whatever dance before that
[04:51] <neenee> why not use atapi burning?
[04:51] <flodin> neenee: -O is equivalent to -O1, i believe
[04:51] <Nonphasis> yeah, as it stands there is no supported audio cd burnur
[04:51] <randabis> I have a Samsung CDRW/DVD reader combo though
[04:52] <ycco> Nonphasis: wow... ubuntuguide.com does rock.
[04:52] <bretze1> I finally found where marilatt section is !!! thanks to randabis with your link to the URL quide!! :-)
[04:52] <Nonphasis> neenee, well, it doesn't seem to work
[04:52] <neenee> flodin: hm.. that would make sense mathematically speaking, but i often run into linux-things which do not make much sense since it tries to be unique/original :)
[04:52] <randabis> 8 mb cache is nice
[04:52] <randabis> np guys
[04:52] <neenee> i will accept your explanation though, since i am no developer. just a use
[04:52] <neenee> *user
[04:52] <randabis> it was a life-saver when I started being almost completely new to debian distros
[04:53] <bretze1> I read that Ubuntu is now 5'th in distrib ranks... I think it will be the Very first best in shirt time in 2005 !! :-)
[04:53] <neenee> hm
[04:53] <randabis> yeah because it is yummy
[04:53] <neenee> popularity is not the same as being best to me
[04:53] <randabis> right
[04:53] <Nonphasis> what distro ranks?
[04:54] <neenee> i still believe that each distro has its own uses :)
[04:54] <bretze1> read short time -- I am getting hold :-( I am full of thumbs
[04:54] <Nonphasis> neenee, but it does mean better support community
[04:54] <randabis> I think it beats fedora and suse hands down for usability and speed though
[04:54] <Nonphasis> Fedora beats ubuntu on kde
[04:54] <Guardiann> :)
[04:54] <neenee> nonphasis: true indeed :) being more well-known will make people flock to it probably
[04:54] <neenee> and the name is nice
[04:54] <bretze1> Nonphasis: I can't recall someone yesterday wrote the Site name ... I don;t remember which
[04:54] <neenee> at least, i like it
[04:55] <neenee> bretze1: distrowatch?
[04:55] <Nonphasis> well, the name certainly catches the attention
[04:55] <neenee> i kept typing 'urubuntu' instead
[04:55] <randabis> Nonphasis maybe, but kde sucks anyway :p
[04:55] <Guardiann> welcome back ZzeCool
[04:55] <randabis> gnome is so much sexier
[04:55] <Nonphasis> people tend to call it "africa linux" here ;-9
[04:55] <ZzeCoOl> hey
[04:56] <neenee> ah
[04:56] <bretze1> Indeed Fedora beats everyone in KDE ( maybe not SuSE ) but I read Ubuntu is WIP for KDE
[04:56] <ZzeCoOl> ghuys i have this problem look
[04:56] <ZzeCoOl> (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0
[04:56] <ZzeCoOl> (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
[04:56] <ZzeCoOl> (--) Chipset ATI R300 ND (R9700 PRO) found
[04:56] <Guardiann> #@#@#@ snow
[04:56] <ZzeCoOl> snow lol
[04:56] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[04:56] <Nonphasis> yeah, kde needs Ubuntu
[04:56] <aracataca> hi, whats the name again for the application that enables to work independently with several desktops?
[04:56] <Nonphasis> and I at least would occasionally like to use some kde apps
[04:56] <bretze1> -- But I think no one beats Ubuntu for GNome setup
[04:57] <kezz> fedora uses gnome as standard doesn't it?
[04:57] <Nonphasis> konqueror is better than naut in many tasks (smb share browsing at least)
[04:57] <neenee> bretze1: hm. what about the dropline release of gnome?
[04:57] <Vaportrail> but its kinda slow, somehow
[04:57] <ZzeCoOl> konqueror is special
[04:57] <randabis> yeah fedora uses gnome...some slow demented version
[04:57] <neenee> bretze1: it's not a distribution though, but it is a great release form
[04:58] <bretze1> NonPhasis: Of course me too I really need KDE apps: KDevelop!!!! that's it...
[04:58] <ZzeCoOl> does anyone understand this error?
[04:58] <ZzeCoOl> (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
[04:58] <randabis> well, you can use konq in gnome if I'm not mistaken
[04:59] <Nonphasis> yeah, and I've used it - but it would be nice to see it as "supported"
[04:59] <Nonphasis> with a more recent version as well
[04:59] <Nonphasis> it would be cool if Ubuntu provided an alternative Universe with more recent stuff
[04:59] <bretze1> randabis: yes, but I realized Ubuntu gnome is better: Konq is now too heavy-wegth for me
[04:59] <Nonphasis> perhaps 3 months after the release
[05:00] <Nonphasis> because it's unsupported anyway
[05:00] <bretze1> Nonphasis: About more recent pkg: I have downloaded and burned DVD-Wekkly hoary distrib yesterday - I will try it soon...
[05:01] <pybe-lappy> check this out: http://saltydogs.aa0.netvolante.jp:8080/ViewerFrame?Mode=Motion&Language=4 someones webcam and you can move it around on the bracket
[05:01] <randabis> you tried mutliverse?
[05:01] <Nonphasis> bretze1, i also get the occasional Hoary-itch, but I still have too much war memories from Debian Sid
[05:01] <sr> wow! .. irc'ing from ubuntu system
[05:01] <sr> install went well, except for some X troubleshooting
[05:01] <Nonphasis> randabis no, how do i try it?
[05:02] <randabis> heh cool me too, viva la xchat
[05:02] <sr> btw, the packages are a bit old
[05:02] <randabis> you have to add it to your sources.lst
[05:02] <sr> thinking of switching to hoary
[05:02] <randabis> sources.list even
[05:02] <Nonphasis> randabis what do i have to add?
[05:02] <sr> but is hoary something like 'sid'?
[05:02] <Nonphasis> randabis paste it
[05:02] <bretze1> ftp.nerim.net uploads at 11kb/s only ouch!!! that will be long to complete 11mb download ...
[05:02] <sr> i mean will the name 'hoary' be the same after each release?
[05:03] <randabis> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[05:03] <sr> bretze1, I downloaded warty (550MB) in a 6 kBps line!
[05:03] <flodin> when i installed g++ using aptitude it marked gcc as a dependency (with the 'A' flag); now that i try to uninstall g++, shouldn't it also automatically uninstall gcc?
[05:03] <sr> that took 22 hours!
[05:03] <Nonphasis> randabis thx
[05:03] <bretze1> Nonphasis: War memories from sid ? what do you mean?
[05:03] <randabis> you can add repositories with synaptic if you wish also
[05:03] <Nonphasis> bretze1, it breaking up every now and then
[05:04] <randabis> nah hoary will be final and then there will be another development name for the next ubuntu release
[05:04] <Nonphasis> hmm, nothing read from multiverse
[05:04] <bretze1> Oh you talk of upgrading warty to hoary ? arrg! don;t do that I had to re-install Ubuntu from scratch
[05:04] <Nonphasis> lunch, bbl
[05:04] <neenee> ok. backup done i think
[05:04] <randabis> hoary is still a little unpolished for everyday use
[05:05] <neenee> i am running debian-hoary
[05:05] <randabis> that's to be expected though, considering the final won't be out till late april or early may
[05:05] <bretze1> I agree. but neenee, how is hoary for you ?
[05:06] <neenee> er
[05:06] <neenee> well, i will install it in a bit
[05:06] <neenee> i updated my debian with a hoary repository, and so far it runs well
[05:06] <neenee> but the config files are still debian-ish
[05:06] <neenee> so i should not form an opinion on hoary yet :)
[05:06] <neenee> apart from perhaps that i like the up-to-date packages :)
[05:07] <biezt> how can i see exactly which motherboard i have ?
[05:07] <bretze1> neenee: ah you went lucky because I have messed up my sys scrambling warty-hoary...
[05:07] <randabis> well, you can open up your case
[05:07] <biezt> i see nothing there :S
[05:07] <neenee> bretze1: :|
[05:07] <randabis> there's programs out there that will detect your chipset, etc too
[05:07] <bretze1> randabis: hahahahaha!@!!! tha'ts true in fact
[05:08] <neenee> maybe you can use lspci
[05:09] <bretze1> hey, is xine and gstreamer sharing the codecs libs ???
[05:10] <randabis> I can't get rythmnbox to play mp3 for some reason...kinda interested in using it for the library
[05:11] <randabis> I read you need to install the gstreamer-mad package, but that doesn't fix it for me
[05:12] <bretze1> and now I finally also get libdvdcss2 from marilatt ! I feel well now :-)
[05:15] <bretze1> What a joy! xine plays DVD films now! I'm in heaven, I'm in heaven ( Green miles film )
[05:16] <bretze1> Now I need DVD authoring program - Is there something like Nero recode; DVD authoring in linux /Debian ?
[05:16] <randabis> maybe, not sure
[05:16] <randabis> wish I could get rythmnbox going :\
[05:17] <bretze1> For medelf: Google "DVD-authoring linu ) :-)\
[05:17] <randabis> mplayer acts funky too..video playback crawls, while it's just fine on gxine
[05:17] <bretze1> randabis: Yes I am actually running xine playing The Chronicles of RIDDICK :-)
[05:18] <randabis> yeah, xine is fine for me, but I kinda wanted to use mplayer...especially since I compiled it from source and all
[05:18] <rwabel> anyone has also troubles with gnome on hoary?
[05:20] <Ensiferum> hmm. pulled in 686-smp kernel. it wont load though, since .../modules/modules.dep is missing. How to fix that? Reinstall?
[05:20] <bretze1> randabis: oh! I am used to xine
[05:21] <randabis> well they are both good, but I'm disappointed since I made the extra effort for mplayer
[05:21] <bretze1> I asked before if it is possible to get grub and consoles ( after-boot ) in framebuffer-mode expecialy to get nice grub graphical ye-candy boot screen :-) anyone knows how to make it in Ubunut ?
[05:21] <rwabel> I want o make dist-upgrade and apt wants to remove alot of packages, some are from gnome itself
[05:21] <randabis> I've done it before bretze1, gotta patch your kernel and some other stuff
[05:22] <randabis> I could never get progress bars working though
[05:22] <bretze1> randabis: yes i know inird also needs to be worked ... is it possible I read that there is already a kernel patch for Ubunut ?
[05:22] <Nonphasis> how can i browse what's available in multiverse?
[05:23] <randabis> you can add http://www.bootsplash.de/files to your repositories to get a deb patch that works
[05:23] <Nonphasis> apt-get update already fetched the package list...
[05:24] <randabis> check sections in synaptic...should have separate sections for multiverse in each category
[05:24] <Nonphasis> yeah, just noticed
[05:24] <bretze1> Nonphasis: From synaptic you can go to repositries and unselect all other sections and leave multiverse selected and reload command in synaptic
[05:25] <bretze1> randabis: Thanks I gonna do it :-)
[05:25] <randabis> it does work, but like I said I could never get progress bars going so I just stuck with verbose themes
[05:26] <bretze1> randabis: I don't care about progress bar: I want framebuffer in grub and after-boot consoles
[05:26] <randabis> I recently did a compile with fbsplash instead of bootsplash, but I can't get any themes working with it
[05:26] <randabis> so I am thinking about going back
[05:27] <randabis> well it will work, just have to edit your menu.lst
[05:27] <bretze1> :-) maybe digging and working hard one of us will manage to make it easy and submit our work to Ubuntu ? :-) ;-)
[05:27] <Vaportrail> so I give the honor to you bretzel
[05:27] <Vaportrail> because u got the idea :P
[05:27] <randabis> well I don't see it being done without a kernel compile, unless hoary will have the patch already builtin to its kernels
[05:27] <randabis> which I think it will
[05:28] <bretze1> I know that we have to work on initrd image also changing bootsplash themes also implies updating something in initrd image ...
[05:28] <randabis> I'm kinda more interested in usplash though
[05:28] <bretze1> what is usplash ?
[05:28] <randabis> you can do it fairly easily with bootsplash utilities
[05:29] <randabis> it's a user-space splash screen instead of building it into the kernel
[05:29] <Nonphasis> yay, chtugha is in multiverse
[05:29] <randabis> it isn't done yet though from what I know
[05:30] <bretze1> ok
[05:30] <randabis> but that will make it easier
[05:30] <bretze1> for now I just want that framebuffer well stup in boot-post boot consoles... I will try your URL source and see the patch ...
[05:31] <Nonphasis> what's mplayer-custom in multiverse? compared to mplayer from nerim.net?
[05:31] <Nonphasis> does it suck less?
[05:31] <Vaportrail> nonphasis its the non working version of mplayer :P
[05:31] <Nonphasis> great, just what i need
[05:31] <Vaportrail> put i suggest xine if you ain't got a p4
[05:31] <randabis> just compile it from source, it isn't hard
[05:31] <bretze1> I tried the frambuffer setup in grub conf - It is booting in framebuffer and nice but after the boot seqs the cosoles are messed up
[05:31] <Nonphasis> yes, i use xine
[05:32] <Nonphasis> but mplayer has always worked faster for me
[05:32] <Vaportrail> and totem-xine :)
[05:32] <Vaportrail> oh k
[05:32] <randabis> totem xine works funky for me
[05:32] <Nonphasis> fast forward is slower in xine and totem
[05:34] <Nonphasis> and mplayer has great keyboarh shortcuts
[05:34] <Nonphasis> too bad nerim.net mplayer cant scale the image to full screen
[05:34] <Vaportrail> hmm, and the marillat repository doesn't work?
[05:34] <Nonphasis> yes, marillat == nerim.net
[05:34] <Nonphasis> i didn't remember the "normal" name ;-)
[05:34] <bretze1> randabis: what do I need to add to the http://www.bootsplash.de/files source? it seems not working
[05:35] <Vaportrail> oh it can, but you need to set another video., eh thing
[05:35] <Nonphasis> ah, it uses wrong video "thing" as default?
[05:35] <Nonphasis> i think it used xv
[05:36] <Vaportrail> with gl it can resize to fullscreen, if i remember it correct
[05:37] <Nonphasis> hmm, gotta examine. it used to be able to do that w/ xv as well
[05:37] <bretze1> randabis: something is missing I have put "./" in the section name but it is full of distribs which one I put ?
[05:38] <randabis> I think unstablew
[05:38] <randabis> debian unstable I think
[05:38] <randabis> I'll check
[05:40] <jcspray> Should it work to use hoary kernel packages with warty?  (I'm after 2.6.10 pwc)
[05:40] <Nonphasis> This program is shareware and you must register it after 40 days of use.
[05:40] <randabis> deb http://www.bootsplash.de/files/debian unstable main
[05:40] <randabis> deb-src http://www.bootsplash.de/files/debian unstable main
[05:40] <Nonphasis> never expected to see that in a debian repo ;-)
[05:40] <Vaportrail> woot proggy?
[05:40] <Nonphasis> rar
[05:40] <randabis> multiverse is non-free programs, that's way
[05:40] <randabis> why
[05:41] <Vaportrail> hmm
[05:41] <bretze1> ok I try thanks very randabis :-)
[05:41] <Nonphasis> yes, but shareware sounds like extremely non-free ;-)
[05:41] <randabis> hah
[05:42] <bretze1> randabis: Yes! you are correct - I have them now in synaptic :-)
[05:45] <kent> Hoary wont come with bootsplash right?
[05:48] <bretze1> randabis: error: ( sorry for trave text Setting up bootsplash (3.1-6) ...
[05:48] <bretze1> Building bootsplash initrd image...
[05:48] <bretze1> cp: cannot stat `.orig': No such file or directory
[05:48] <bretze1> cp: cannot stat `': No such file or directory
[05:48] <bretze1> dpkg: error processing bootsplash (--configure):
[05:48] <bretze1>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:48] <bretze1> )
[05:48] <randabis> I just got the same thing :\
[05:48] <bretze1> hehehe what it exepect ???
[05:50] <bretze1> I wonder where in the filesystem packages are worked, I could go there and figure out what is there and do it myself
[05:51] <mgedmin> (hoary) apt-get keeps pestering me with WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated
[05:51] <mgedmin> can I do something about that?  (download a pgp key, etc)
[05:55] <ycco> http://occy.net/oddnetworkingissues_ubuntu
[05:55] <ycco> can someone take a look at that please?
[05:56] <ycco> I have no problems on my Ubuntu Desktop as far as networking goes...   On my laptop there are odd issues.   The above url shows route    run on both boxes.  They should be the same but aren't.  How can I fix it?
[05:57] <randabis> I found some sort of fix for it bretze1, but it's in german or dutch and I don't understand it
[05:57] <randabis> I tried google translate and that didn't help much hehe
[05:58] <Konlied> hmm, I am puzzled as to why I can't get vncserver running on ubuntu
[05:58] <randabis> It does not go? Then the in any case only times following things are to be beachten/checken:
[05:58] <randabis>     * was the Kernel compiled correctly? dmesg|grep bootsplash something should spend
[05:58] <randabis>     * does the Framebuffer use 16 bits depth of shade? With other depths of shade Bootsplash does not function.
[05:58] <randabis>     * The "bootsplash" package announces to installing sowas (possibly also into German):
[05:58] <neenee> hm. so many documents on recommended partitioning schemes.
[05:58] <randabis> Code:
[05:58] <randabis> Building bootsplash initrd image...
[05:58] <ycco> on desktop it's going through "localnet" whatever the heck that is.  (and works)  on laptop it's going through 10.10.0.0
[05:58] <randabis> cp: CAN emergency stat `.orig ': NO look for file or directory
[05:58] <randabis> cp: CAN emergency stat ` ': NO look for file or directory
[05:58] <randabis> dpkg: error processing bootsplash (- - configure):
[05:58] <randabis> subprocess post office installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:58] <randabis> then it possibly hillft to install bootsplash_3.0.7-9_i386.deb and afterwards apt GET dist upgrade run let a package amended by me ( peschmae), which overwrites my package again and problem-free the original Bootsplash package now install should.
[05:58] <ycco> crimsun: You about today? :)
[05:58] <randabis> Note: The post office installation script of bootsplash is apparently broken. It is var/lib/dpkg/info/bootsplash.postinst to find under/ and can be accordingly amended.
[05:58] <Konlied> I have run apt-get for vnc-common but it tells me I have the newest eversion. Yet I can't run the server! (no such command)
[05:58] <randabis> I don't know what that's supposed to mean
[06:02] <bretze1> randabis: so bootsplash can't be installed ?
[06:03] <randabis> you have to fix an error in /var/lib/dpkg/info/bootsplash.postinst
[06:03] <randabis> but I don't know WHAT to fix
[06:03] <randabis> and all the info is in dutch
[06:03] <randabis> so I don't know
[06:03] <bretze1> ok let me take a look - but the commands are not in germain speaking :-)
[06:05] <e-Jah> re
[06:05] <bretze1> On the frist look I guest the script expects an already old installed initrd splash theme image ... I continue to dig
[06:07] <randabis> the error is in line 95
[06:07] <ycco> no Ubuntu network God's around? :(
[06:07] <randabis> but I don't understand what to change it to
[06:08] <bretze1> I found the offended silly command: It is in fact expecting an old initrd*.orig file and abort if there isn't !!! that is silly programming let me figure out how I can keep this script exec instead of the one unpackaged from the .deb
[06:09] <randabis> ok
[06:09] <randabis> can you just make a initrd*.orig file?
[06:10] <bretze1> hahaha !let me try it! :-):-)
[06:12] <randabis> hmm didn't work for me
[06:12] <randabis> still got the error
[06:15] <bretze1> after faking .boot/initrd.splash and initrd.splash.orig, the install failed at line 91 in the script : splash -s -f /etc/bootsplash/themes/current/config/bootsplash-$i.cfg >> "$SPLASH_INITRD"
[06:16] <randabis> hmm
[06:16] <randabis> I have an idea
[06:16] <randabis> apparently, and older version of the deb works
[06:16] <randabis> 3.0.7-9
[06:16] <randabis> I'm gonna try and force the installation of that one
[06:16] <Konlied> is it my imagination or can't I run vncserver from the commandline anymore?
[06:17] <bretze1> it is the resolution filename based not there
[06:17] <randabis> err
[06:17] <randabis> that didn't work
[06:17] <randabis> it's that friggen script
[06:18] <bretze1> no missing botsplash config files for a resolution that the script tries to apply
[06:18] <randabis> hmm
[06:23] <Stew2> I have a question. Why, when I install fedora core 3, is firefox current. The most current version of Firefox on Ubuntu says "reverted to 0.9.3"
[06:23] <bretze1> I have tried all resolution I know - still no such file ??? This script is really stupid !!!!
[06:24] <Stew2> Stew2: and also there was a bug in  ubuntu where xwindows fonts werent' installed, so x wouldn't start.
[06:24] <randabis> well, it does install everything...just the post install script is borked...maybe we can just do that stuff manually
[06:24] <bretze1> yes but wait maybe some jpg files are missing
[06:25] <bretze1> that's it there is only one resolution 1024x768
[06:26] <dud> Stew2, but warty only has security updates
[06:26] <dud> its frozen stable
[06:26] <dud> and .9.3 was the latest version when warty was frozen i suppose
[06:27] <_|Imanewbie|_> Hail folks
[06:27] <_|Imanewbie|_> there is nt any games channel in free node?
[06:28] <randabis> let me know if you get it sorted
[06:28] <dud> what do you mean by game channels?
[06:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> dud: I need a new game to play while I'm on vacation /
[06:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> =/
[06:29] <Konlied> does anyone know what happened to vncserver? I can't get it running from the commandline at all
[06:29] <dud> freenode isnt a warez network
[06:29] <dud> or, did you mean linux games?
[06:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> dud: I dont mean warez
[06:30] <_|Imanewbie|_> dud: I mean a game I can buy/run on a AMD Athlon 2000+ 256 RAM GeForce FX 5200
[06:30] <dud> http://www.tuxgames.com/ http://www.linuxgames.com/ http://www.happypenguin.org/
[06:30] <dud> three nice ones for linux games
[06:30] <_|Imanewbie|_> dud: can be a free game to
[06:30] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: apt-get install vncserver or tightvncserver
[06:30] <bretze1> randabis: I think running the script is not possible whatever we hack...
[06:30] <dud> happypenguin being the best imho
[06:30] <Konlied> pybe-lappy: done that
[06:31] <dud> btw, does anyone know why im getting a stable 0.9-1.2x dvd burning on a BenQ 8x dvd burner in k3b?
[06:31] <Konlied> pybe-lappy: according to apt i have the latest version. vncserver returns 'no such command'
[06:31] <dud> its not like it should matter that k3b is a kde app running in gnome...?
[06:31] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: just getting will see
[06:31] <dud> after all, its not emulating the kde enviroment, its actually using the libs
[06:32] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: works for me
[06:32] <Konlied> oh god im going mad
[06:32] <dud> thruth be said, i do have lots of apps open while burning... but even with no apps running in gnome, i get like 2x
[06:33] <dud> and i believe that the hdd is on a different ide cable than the burner
[06:33] <bretze1> rndabis: running splash -s -f /etc/bootsplash/themes/current/config/bootsplash-1024x768.cfg > test.iii works so test.iii shlbe the inird filename
[06:33] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: mithspelign
[06:33] <bretze1> randabis: oops
[06:34] <bretze1> but still missing stuf in that file...
[06:34] <cosco> hello . i installed with the synaptik the mysqp-server and client and now when i try to do something with it ..the programs say that "There seems to be a problem with the MySQL server, sorry for the inconvenience. "
[06:34] <_|Imanewbie|_> I will code a game from scratch to please my self :p
[06:34] <Konlied> pybe-lappy: mithspelign???
[06:35] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: is that why it wont work? =)
[06:35] <pybe-lappy> cosco: there might be better info in /var/log/
[06:36] <randabis> brb
[06:36] <bretze1> rnadabis: Ok what I understand is that the orig inird can be taken from what is already there in /boot and then run splash command ... >> /boot/inird already there :-)
[06:36] <cosco> ok
[06:36] <cosco> let me see
[06:36] <Ensiferum> how do i get a specific module to be loaded on boot?
[06:36] <bretze1> randabis _ why do i type madabis ??? sorry :-)
[06:36] <Ensiferum> (sorry for the bump question)
[06:36] <Ensiferum> dumb even
[06:37] <pybe-lappy> Ensiferum: /etc/modules
[06:37] <Konlied> pybe-lappy: I run vncserver from the same .bash_profile command I had with debian
[06:37] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: ahh
[06:37] <Ensiferum> pybe-lappy: thank you so much.
[06:37] <pybe-lappy> Ensiferum: np
[06:37] <Guardiann> :)
[06:38] <Ensiferum> this channel is really nice.
[06:38] <cosco> pybe-lappy,
[06:38] <pybe-lappy> cosco: ?
[06:38] <cosco> there is no error in mysql.err
[06:38] <Ensiferum> ppl actually help here. unlike on #linux on qnet
[06:38] <Ensiferum> :] 
[06:38] <pybe-lappy> cosco: nice
[06:38] <randabis-wireles> bretzel I said screw it and just did it manually hehe
[06:39] <cosco> look http://acasa.cosco.ro/php/html/conifgure.php
[06:39] <Konlied> pybe-lappy: I don't see any reason for vncserver not to be working anymore, I really am unhappy with ubuntu now
[06:39] <pybe-lappy> cosco: not played with many services on Ubuntu yet only installed last night =)
[06:39] <CSWookie> Can someone aid me in figuring out my .procmailrc?  And if someone can, where should I paste?
[06:39] <cosco> i mean http://acasa.cosco.ro/php/html/index.php
[06:39] <cosco> lol
[06:39] <cosco> see that
[06:39] <bretze1> randabis-wireles: what you did ?
[06:39] <klaym> are there any good sites offering ubuntu/gnome desktop themes?
[06:39] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: hey what can i say, i just apt-got it and typed vncserver and it asked me for a passwd and away it went
[06:40] <Konlied> <:( thanks anyway
[06:40] <bretze1> rebooting testing splash
[06:40] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: i do have the extra repos and the back ports repos though, might be that....
[06:41] <pybe-lappy> cosco: i would say thats down to postnuke config
[06:41] <Stew2> dud: thanks. I googled the info. Read the wiki. I've added the backports. How hard is it to upgrade to hoary? This system is a fresh install.
[06:41] <Stew2> dud: fresh install of warty.
[06:42] <Konlied> probably is. I noticed ubuntu adds 'remote desktop' to gnome, so I'm wondering if they disabled it on the commandline
[06:42] <cosco> pybe-lappy, i just moved phpnuke there , im trying to vonfigure it , and i dont know why it doesnt work
[06:42] <dud> i found upgrading to hoary quite painless
[06:42] <pybe-lappy> cosco: moved what the php & the sql database?
[06:42] <dud> but you will have to be quite experienced with linux to use it
[06:42] <dud> because the occational bugs and quirks happens
[06:42] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: wheres the remote desktop in it?
[06:43] <cosco> pybe-lappy, i dont get uyou
[06:43] <dud> in my experience, something buggy happens upon each time you run dist-upgrade
[06:43] <randabis> bretzel, I just did the splash -s -f \ /etc/bootsplash/themes/current/config/bootsplash-1024x768.cfg \ >> /boot/initrd
[06:43] <randabis> and edited menu.lst
[06:44] <pybe-lappy> cosco: you said you "moved" postnuke here implying it was working somewhere else before
[06:44] <dud> this is so fucking weird
[06:44] <cosco> no.
[06:44] <dud> i always get around 1.3x when burning dvds
[06:44] <randabis> brb again
[06:44] <dud> on a 8x burner
[06:44] <pybe-lappy> cosco: you just install it?
[06:44] <bretzel> randabis: no no luck splash didn't work
[06:44] <cosco> i moved the downlloaded archieve :D and extracted it there , this way io can use it , coz it is on my apache serve
[06:44] <dud> with using growisofs directly, or k3b frontend
[06:44] <randabis> make sure your grub points to the right initrd
[06:45] <pybe-lappy> cosco: ok, you setup sql with dbase and users yet?
[06:45] <cosco> no
[06:45] <cosco> i dont know how
[06:45] <Konlied> pybe-lappy: remote desktop on ubuntu debian is under Computer > Desktop Prefs > Remote Desk
[06:45] <pybe-lappy> cosco: sounds like you need to read the install docs that came with phpnuke
[06:45] <cosco> with phpnuke? ok
[06:45] <cosco> let me read them :D brb
[06:45] <randabis-wireles> might have to recompile
[06:46] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: thats not std vnc server
[06:46] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: thats so you can access your "current" desktop not as vncserver does a virtual one
[06:46] <cosco> Installing the Package
[06:46] <cosco> ----------------------
[06:46] <cosco> Unzip the package into the directory you want to use on you web
[06:46] <cosco> server, if you're unsure where that is, ask you system administrator.
[06:46] <cosco> Now go to the directory where you uncompressed all files and edit the
[06:46] <cosco> file "config.php".
[06:46] <cosco> it doesnt say anything .. on the install docs.. just to edit that file , and i cant edit it
[06:47] <pybe-lappy> cosco: why cant you edit it?
[06:47] <bretzel> the kernel boots in framebuffer but seems not updated with the kernel patch
[06:47] <bubba__> bloody 'ell
[06:47] <cosco> coz .. it gives that error .. with mysql , whick i showed you
[06:47] <pybe-lappy> cosco: you edit the file with a text editor on the machine
[06:48] <cosco> ok.
[06:48] <pybe-lappy> cosco: you cant edit a file through a web browser
[06:48] <bretzel> the bootsplah don't work at all!
[06:48] <Stew2> dud: is there anything I get of signifigance from hoary different from warty with the couple of backports?
[06:48] <pybe-lappy> cosco: gedit or nano the file on your computer
[06:48] <randabis-wireles> yeah same
[06:48] <randabis-wireles> I'm just gonna add the patch manualy
[06:49] <cosco> pybe-lappy, it askes me root password , but on ubunt , it will cant login becase root mode is disable it can only login as root with sudo su
[06:49] <cosco> what can I do?
[06:49] <bubba__> anyone here using irssi-text for irc ?
[06:49] <pybe-lappy> cosco: you will probably need to have created a database and users with the correct rights etc in mysql. You might whant to find phpmysql to do that for you.
[06:49] <IBOIC> ubuntu = best linux distro for 2004 by arstechnica
[06:49] <dud> Stew2, i dunno... you'd get all the latest and greatest software generally
[06:50] <pybe-lappy> cosco: sudo passwd
[06:50] <bubba__> IBOIC: no way
[06:50] <Stew2> cosco: sudo passwd root
[06:50] <dud> hmm, how would i go about checking if my dvd burner is using dma mode?
[06:50] <dud> thats faster isnt it?
[06:50] <dud> perhaps thats whats slowing it down...
[06:50] <sladen> bubba__: three times
[06:50] <cosco> ok
[06:50] <cosco> thanks
[06:50] <cosco> let's see
[06:51] <pybe-lappy> dud: i have had weird results with differnt media on different burners
[06:51] <bubba__> dud: hdparm -i /dev/dvd
[06:51] <dud> hmm, ill try these other dvd disc i bought today a bit later
[06:51] <htrfcee> is hoary in a stable it could be used even relatively stable, yet? i'm completely new to ubuntu, and there's a few packages with which i'm not very happy (too old versions) that would be available in hoary and not warty
[06:52] <dud> using udma2
[06:52] <pybe-lappy> dud: i actually have some x4 which i get 3.8 on and some x8 which get a max of 2.3
[06:52] <kent> htrfcee, like what packages?
[06:53] <dud> pybe-lappy, perhaps the discs are just shite
[06:53] <dud> crap ass cheap unlabelled discs heh
[06:53] <cosco> it still doesnt work ( same error with mysql ) , i configured config.php  , do i need to configure mysql somehow ? pybe-lappy ?
[06:53] <dud> im such a cheap skate ;O
[06:53] <pybe-lappy> htrfcee: might want to look at back-ports http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/
[06:53] <bretzel> randabis-wireles: I'm just gonna add the patch manualy -- > How you do it ?
[06:53] <mz2> this far i've come across with inkscape, gimp, firefox and umbrello that are too old for my taste :)
[06:53] <dud> i bought 50 ePerformance discs today,,, they're suppose to go all the way to 12x with this drive
[06:53] <Stew2> What's the command to run after using "Users and Groups" to change the username of the only user on Ubuntu? Last time I did this I couldn't log in. Is there a shell command to change the name of the user home folder to match?
[06:54] <dud> they're verified as 8x max...
[06:54] <cosco> brb - eating
[06:54] <pybe-lappy> cosco: there will some install docs that tell you a whole lot more than you pasted just now
[06:54] <IBOIC> my parents are getting fiber to the home tomorrow
[06:54] <IBOIC> Im so jealous
[06:54] <IBOIC> damn verizon
[06:54] <dud> IBOIC, where?
[06:54] <dud> country i mean...
[06:54] <IBOIC> usa
[06:54] <pybe-lappy> cosco: you there still
[06:55] <dud> eh, fiber from verizon... must cost a fortune
[06:55] <randabis-wireles> download the patch for our kernel, then copy it to your kernel source
[06:55] <dud> pybe-lappy, (cosco): brb - eating
[06:55] <pybe-lappy> heh the docs are there on his server http://acasa.cosco.ro/php/Install.txt
[06:55] <kent> mz2, that page about backports seems good. try it.
[06:55] <randabis-wireles> then patch -p1 < patch.diff
[06:56] <mz2> pybe-lappy, oh ok, cool! thanks
[06:56] <yohann> bonjour
[06:56] <yohann> hello
[06:56] <pybe-lappy> mz2: huh?
[06:57] <yohann> french english here???
[06:57] <mz2> pybe-lappy, thx for the backports link u sent (sorry, a slightly confusing nick change :)
[06:57] <pybe-lappy> mz2: ahh
[06:58] <pybe-lappy> mz2: np
[06:58] <yohann> he ben ca parle pas beaucoup ici
[06:59] <pybe-lappy> yohann: #ubuntu-fr
[06:59] <Guardiann> :)
[06:59] <yohann> ok
[06:59] <yohann> merci
[06:59] <pybe-lappy> =)
[06:59] <bretzel> ah but I have no time for this now I have my children to feed :-) I will try it later
[06:59] <yohann> alors on discute que ubuntu ICI?
[07:00] <bretzel> yohann: Essaie #ubuntu-fr ce channel est en anglais :-)
[07:00] <yohann> ok
[07:00] <bretzel> yohann: Bien sure que c Ubuntu !
[07:01] <pybe-lappy> yohann: nous discutons l'alot de l'ubuntu de choses ici la plupart du temps cependant.
[07:01] <bretzel> pybe-lappy: Hahaha! Your french is funny :-)
[07:01] <yohann> ok c'est bon je suis pass sur le francais merci
[07:01] <GFXstyLER> how can i accsess another pc in a network?
[07:01] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: google translator =)
[07:02] <GFXstyLER> i dont know how to do it
[07:02] <klaym> il n'y a pas beaucoup des gens ici <- is that right?
[07:02] <bretzel> pybe-lappy: Hahahaha! I went to try one web base translator I can't imagine the funnny stuff I read in results!!!!! I was pissing
[07:03] <kezz> no there's 293
[07:03] <klaym> yea but linguistically
[07:03] <aracataca> heelo, gxine wont play the sound of a quicktime-movie (.mov), what should i do?
[07:03] <kezz> yeah looks rite
[07:03] <klaym> ok
[07:03] <bretzel> klaym: It is perfect
[07:03] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: it translates directly with out any thought of grammer or scentance organisation. Can be usefull though
[07:04] <huhmz> Hello. Since i changed apt sources to hoary and ran dist-upgrade my pipe key has stopped working on the keyboard. All other keys work correctly (swedish keyboard). How do i fix this?
[07:04] <klaym> bretzel: great. I wondered whether the negation was formed correctly.
[07:04] <bretzel> pybe-lappy: The google translator ? maybe but all the words are scrambled in order
[07:04] <dud> try setxkbmap se
[07:04] <pybe-lappy> have fun ubuntuers - beer and a curry are calling @ home
[07:04] <dud> huhmz, that is...
[07:05] <bretzel> ciao pybe-lappy
[07:05] <pybe-lappy> see ya
[07:05] <huhmz> dud: didnt work
[07:05] <huhmz> dud: the keymap is already set to se
[07:05] <dud> huhmz, does the key work at all then?
[07:05] <dud> spilt some coffee or something lately? heh
[07:05] <huhmz> no the key doesnt seem to work at all
[07:06] <huhmz> im pretty sure its the dist-upgrades fault
[07:06] <dud> dropped some crumbles on it perhaps
[07:06] <bretzel> ok I am gone me too :-) see you
[07:07] <dud> with dist-upgrade, ive experienced that your ubuntu might act up, but its fine after a reboot
[07:07] <aracataca> no ideas how to set my gxine to play quicktime-movies?
[07:07] <dud> tried rebooting?
[07:07] <dud> aracataca, download the quicktime codec...
[07:07] <huhmz> guess thats next
[07:07] <huhmz> bye then
[07:07] <_|Imanewbie|_> does anyone knows how do I activate auto-completation in kdev3?
[07:07] <dud> cya
[07:07] <aracataca> yeah, and how do that?
[07:08] <MeAndU> how do i export NFS, I have this entry in /etc/export "/home/ubuntu32/NFSshare 127.0.0.0(rw,no_root_squash)"
[07:08] <ycco> pybe: you see this? http://occy.net/tmp/oddnetworkingissues_ubuntu
[07:08] <dablitz> hey can someone help me out, I am trying to find and play some desent games on my system
[07:09] <dud> aracataca, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-25783.html
[07:09] <dud> try following that guide
[07:09] <dud> that was the first hit when searching for "ubuntu quicktime howto" on google btw :P
[07:09] <Vaportrail> aracataca did you follow the howtos on ubuntuguide.org?
[07:09] <dud> google is your friend
[07:10] <MeAndU> ount -t nfs -o rw,nolock 192.168.0.13:/home/ubuntu32/NFSshare
[07:10] <MeAndU> Can't find 192.168.0.13:/home/ubuntu32/NFSshare in /etc/fstab
[07:11] <MeAndU> do i have to add it to fstab
[07:11] <ycco> dud: Googles not liking me with my issue:  http://occy.net/tmp/oddnetworkingissues_ubuntu
[07:11] <ycco> probably too broad.
[07:11] <smo> MeAndU: or specify a mountpoint.  there you've told it what to mount, but not where to mount it
[07:12] <aracataca> dud: checked your site, couldn't find the howto for gxine, but ill work it out
[07:13] <Stew2> Can someone please type directions on how to upgrade to hoary. I saw a reference to upgrading from Sarge in the wiki, and it didn't seem complete.
[07:13] <MeAndU> mount: Mounting 192.168.0.13:/home/ubuntu32/NFSshare on /var/mnt failed: Invalid argument
[07:13] <aracataca> vapor: yeah, but couldn't find it for gxine either
[07:13] <aracataca> but i'll go to work now  ;)
[07:13] <Vaportrail> hf :)
[07:14] <zenrox> how do i mount isos ?
[07:14] <ions> do more repositories need to be added before you can install flash-player-mozilla?
[07:14] <Vaportrail> aracataca: I did most of the howtos on this page and it works, i donnu which did it :P
[07:14] <jeffreyb> Anyone know how I can mount loop device? Got this error: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[07:15] <Vaportrail> ions, just go on a flash page and klick install plugin would do it, too
[07:15] <ions> trying to do it remotely via ssh
[07:15] <MeAndU> smo: mount: Mounting 192.168.0.13:/home/ubuntu32/NFSshare on /var/mnt failed: Invalid argument any help
[07:15] <Vaportrail> ah k
[07:15] <ions> I suppose I can get out of my chair and go to the other room ;)
[07:15] <Vaportrail> lol
[07:16] <trukulo> anyone using pbuilder on ubuntu?
[07:16] <siretart> trukulo: ocasionally, yes
[07:16] <zenrox> jeffreyb,  you got to install crypto loop
[07:16] <dablitz> does anyone know of any good games that run on ubuntu
[07:16] <trukulo> siretart: have you tried to mount a sid pbuilder?
[07:16] <ions> any of you guys using Foldingathome?  How do you get it to autostart?
[07:16] <zenrox> jeffreyb,  and how are you running the command
[07:16] <jeffreyb> zenrox: Thanks - will do.
[07:16] <trukulo> i have errors with passwd and lilo packages
[07:16] <dablitz> and where I might find them
[07:17] <siretart> trukulo: no, I used hoary's pbuilder
[07:17] <jeffreyb> zenrox: I'm trying to run Mindi/Mondo Rescue... I get the error running Mindi.
[07:17] <trukulo> siretart: umm, ok, thanks anyway
[07:17] <lamont> trukulo: I know I'm using sbuild on ubuntu, quite a bit...
[07:17] <cosco> hello. i tryed to install php-nuke on my ubuntu box , after i installed php4 and mysql and all i need. after i set up my config.php ( phpnuke config file ) and set up the mysql data base .. i cant open the config.php with my browser.
[07:17] <siretart> dablitz: tuxracer, bzflag, kobo-deluxe, xpilots, tetrinet, cube
[07:17] <jeffreyb> zenrox:Creating data disk #1...mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[07:17] <jeffreyb> Fatal error. Can't loopmount /tmp/tmp.LZU9u1/mindilinux/9721/mountpoint.9721; does your kernel support loopfs?
[07:18] <lamont> jeffreyb: modprobe loop
[07:18] <siretart> dablitz: more free games? perhaps some comercial ones? ;)
[07:18] <lamont> modprobe cryptoloop
[07:18] <zenrox> jeffreyb,  not why just how casue i fergot how to mount a iso ?
[07:18] <jeffreyb> zenrix: That's the error msg.
[07:18] <lamont> siretart: there are many games in universe
[07:18] <dablitz> thanks sire
[07:18] <Khantozavri> Hi everyone... anybody here?
[07:18] <Vaportrail> no, nobody
[07:18] <siretart> lamont: jupp. Great games. :)
[07:18] <zenrox> jeffreyb,  modprobe cryptoloop
[07:18] <trukulo> lamont: don't know sbuild, i like pbuilder cause is what debian maintainer guide recommends
[07:19] <Khantozavri> Hey, guys, I need some help, anyone available?
[07:19] <neenee> there are people here
[07:19] <Vaportrail> Khantozavri just ask
[07:19] <neenee> i suggest you just ask your question
[07:19] <Khantozavri> I don't see unicode text in my language....
[07:19] <lamont> trukulo: never used pbuilder...
[07:19] <Khantozavri> thanks....
[07:19] <MeAndU> mount -t nfs -o rw,nolock 192.168.0.13:/home/ubuntu32/NFSshare /var/mnt
[07:19] <MeAndU> mount: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection refused
[07:19] <MeAndU> mount: nfsmount failed: Bad file descriptor
[07:19] <MeAndU> mount: Mounting 192.168.0.13:/home/ubuntu32/NFSshare on /var/mnt failed: Invalid argument
[07:20] <cosco> hello. i tryed to install php-nuke on my ubuntu box , after i installed php4 and mysql and all i need. after i set up my config.php ( phpnuke config file ) and set up the mysql data base ..i try to open config.php and it says http://acasa.cosco.ro/php/html/index.php <- go here
[07:20] <lamont> trukulo: all the buildd's use sbuild, so that's what I learned and use
[07:20] <trukulo> umm, interesting
[07:20] <trukulo> what are the differences with pbuilder?
[07:20] <Vaportrail> Khantozavri: /charset utf-8
[07:20] <Khantozavri> I've istalled my language keyboard layout (georgian latin), and it doesnt tipe even (but shows symbol codes u2033, for istead)
[07:20] <Khantozavri> in console, I guess?....
[07:21] <Vaportrail> oh no, forget it
[07:21] <cosco> hello. i tryed to install php-nuke on my ubuntu box , after i installed php4 and mysql and all i need. after i set up my config.php ( phpnuke config file ) and set up the mysql data base ..i try to open config.php and it says http://acasa.cosco.ro/php/html/index.php <- go here
[07:21] <Vaportrail> i thought u ment irc
[07:21] <jeffreyb> zenrox and lamont: That worked - Thanks!
[07:21] <Ensiferum> hmm. anyone know how to solve the problem of not having any identified cd-rom drives. i have the links in / for cdrom(s). but i dont have the actual devices. I guess i have to use makedev, but how exactly?
[07:21] <trukulo> Ensiferum: look in /dev
[07:21] <cosco> hello. i tryed to install php-nuke on my ubuntu box , after i installed php4 and mysql and all i need. after i set up my config.php ( phpnuke config file ) and set up the mysql data base ..i try to open config.php and it says http://acasa.cosco.ro/php/html/index.php <- go here
[07:21] <Ensiferum> trukulo: what there?
[07:22] <trukulo> Ensiferum: devices, that's where makedev make devices
[07:22] <trukulo> look for hdc , or hdd, or what you have
[07:22] <Ensiferum> trukulo: i know. i just dont have the devices there. thats the problem
[07:22] <Vaportrail> Khantozavri, I m not ur man, dunno how
[07:22] <trukulo> in /dev ?
[07:22] <Ensiferum> yeah
[07:22] <trukulo> what device is your cdrom ?
[07:23] <Ensiferum> supposed to be /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd
[07:23] <trukulo> try ls -lh /dev/hdc
[07:23] <Ensiferum> no such file
[07:23] <cosco> hello. i tryed to install php-nuke on my ubuntu box , after i installed php4 and mysql and all i need. after i set up my config.php ( phpnuke config file ) and set up the mysql data base ..i try to open config.php and it says http://acasa.cosco.ro/php/html/index.php <- go here
[07:23] <trukulo> ugh, that's bad
[07:23] <trukulo> so youre right, you need makedev
[07:23] <Ensiferum> yes, i know
[07:23] <Ensiferum> but _how_ exactly
[07:23] <Ensiferum> :p
[07:24] <trukulo> it's a clean install ?
[07:24] <Ensiferum> yeah
[07:24] <trukulo> with warty?
[07:24] <Ensiferum> however i had some major problem with sata drives/cd-roms
[07:24] <Ensiferum> warty yep
[07:24] <neofeed> I need some lowlevel help. My crappy Notebook keyboard does not have the `<,>,|' key. I'd like to map the `win' button to that. I think it should be possible anyone wnat to help me?
[07:25] <Ensiferum> neofeed: xmodmap might help
[07:25] <Ensiferum> neofeed: and xev
[07:25] <jblack> Guys, ubuntu is frigging awesome
[07:26] <Khantozavri> is there a way to install support for unicode, or it is already there?
[07:26] <sensebend> indeed jblack :)
[07:26] <jblack> In all sense of fairness, that's a dogfood comment.
[07:27] <neofeed> Ensiferum, k it's keycode 115
[07:27] <neofeed> Ensiferum, and I guess I want to map it to 94
[07:28] <ycco> bob2: around?
[07:28] <Ensiferum> neofeed: sorry, can help you more. it was just a push to _some_ direction :)
[07:28] <Ensiferum> can't
[07:29] <bencov> hi! I would like to try Ubuntu but before is Ubuntu stable/unstable using glibc2.3.2?
[07:29] <neofeed> Ensiferum, can You image how much it sucks to debug stuff withought the <,>,| symbols?
[07:29] <Ensiferum>  debug?
[07:30] <neofeed> Ensiferum, well stuff liek xmodmap -pk |less
[07:30] <randabis> grr
[07:30] <dud> Version: 2.3.2.ds1-19ubuntu4 on hoary bencov
[07:31] <randabis> I'm getting an error when extracting the new linux 2.6.10 kernel
[07:31] <bencov> dud: Thank you very much
[07:31] <bretzel> randabis: Still on working for fb ?
[07:32] <jeffreyb> Any problems with installing VMware 4.5.2 on Warty? I've been reading forum and Ubuntu howto... seems OK but wanted some other opinions/ideas.
[07:32] <dud> heh, after burning a dvd movie with growisofs, totem tried to auto start
[07:32] <randabis> yeah
[07:32] <dud> weird having totem suddenly starting...
[07:32] <randabis> I've decided I'm gonna go ahead and upgrade to 2.6.10
[07:32] <randabis> getting this annoying error upon extraction though
[07:33] <trey3> randabis: what does it say?
[07:37] <ycco> must.... get... networking... setup.... on... laptop... properly!#%@#%
[07:37] <randabis> it's rather long
[07:37] <randabis> you want me to post?
[07:37] <bretzel> randabis: I want to see the errors - me too :-)
[07:37] <trey3> randabis: yes... preferably in a floodbot though...
[07:38] <randabis> floodbot?
[07:39] <randabis> oh, I know what it is, nvm
[07:40] <Moiana> Greetings, Ubuntu-lovers
[07:40] <Moiana> :)
[07:40] <trey3> Moiana: hey
[07:40] <tuxer> hi
[07:40] <randabis> seems I ran out of free space lol
[07:41] <randabis> sorted it out
[07:42] <Moiana> Greetings, trey3
[07:42] <Khantozavri> is there a way to find out support information about unicode in ubuntu?
[07:42] <trey3> Guess it wasn't that important to him?  :/
[07:43] <randabis> say, what's the command to make a debian kernel package?
[07:43] <randabis> after I've done my make xconfig
[07:43] <trey3> randabis: man make-kpkg
[07:43] <randabis> oh yeah
[07:43] <randabis> thanks
[07:43] <trey3> (install kernel-package first)
[07:44] <randabis> yeah I have it
[07:44] <randabis> I've done custom kernels before on this box, just forgot the command
[07:44] <trey3> :)
[07:44] <trey3> Its really Better (tm) to learn the Real way though... more useful to know if you go to other distro's  :)
[07:45] <Moiana> trey3: but debian kernel packaging is the 8th wonder of the world :)
[07:46] <Moiana> actually, debian packaging, kernel or software, is...
[07:46] <trey3> Moiana: I still am uncomfortable even having RPM installed... heh  ;)
[07:46] <trey3> stupid LSB  :(
[07:47] <trey3> Someone needs to write something that uses DEB and RPM as a backend, and state that in the LSB instead of the actual package format  :(
[07:48] <trey3> Even throw in TGZ etc too... one frontend for all the popular stuff... I guess LCC is working towards this though  :)
[07:49] <randabis> yeah I know how to do it the real way trey
[07:49] <randabis> :) done many a suse kernel
[07:50] <ycco> have I whined in the past 5 minutes about my problems with networking on my laptop?   http://occy.net/tmp/oddnetworkingissues_ubuntu
[07:50] <trey3> Progeny + Connectiva together = good for apt  8)
[07:50] <smitty> i'm trying to enable my universe. will someone tell me how?
[07:50] <trukulo> smitty: look in ubuntu wiki
[07:50] <randabis> should be in there by default in synaptic, you just have to enable it
[07:51] <smitty> already do
[07:51] <trukulo> smitty: so look better
[07:51] <trukulo> :)
[07:51] <trey3> smitty: in /etc/apt/sources.list, remove the # at the beginning of the line...
[07:51] <ycco> smitty: check out:  http://www.ubuntuguide.com/
[07:51] <randabis> yeah that's one way
[07:51] <randabis> I don't recommend doing what it says in ubuntuguide
[07:51] <smitty> hmm...default,synaptic...that's the most helpful info i've gotten yet
[07:51] <randabis> I think it enables hoary universe
[07:51] <ycco> oh
[07:51] <trukulo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/view?searchterm=universe
[07:52] <smitty> ok....stop telling me to look in the guide. i spent hours looking at wiki...unofficial guides...please just save it
[07:52] <Guardiann> smitty hold on
[07:52] <randabis> either do what trey said, or do it in synaptic
[07:53] <randabis> Settings --> Repositories
[07:53] <randabis> check the unchecked ones
[07:53] <trey3> smitty: in synaptic... click the check box to the side of the entry that has universe...
[07:54] <trey3> smitty: also... you may want to add multiverse to the line that states universe...
[07:55] <trey3> multiverse = things like mplayer and flash etc...
[07:55] <randabis> Yeah
[07:55] <randabis> I was gonna suggest that
[07:55] <randabis> heh, I accidently just did make-kpkg
[07:55] <randabis> without a kernel_image
[07:56] <randabis> will it just do a default?
[07:56] <trey3> smitty: so in sources.list the line should state: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe multiverse  (with no trailing #)
[07:56] <randabis> guess I'll find out..hehe
[07:56] <trey3> randabis: it will install instead of creating a .deb so you can install...
[07:56] <trey3> in theory anyways... never actually tried it  :/
[07:57] <randabis> hmm...
[07:57] <randabis> so it will edit grub. etc?
[07:57] <trey3> randabis: no.
[07:57] <trey3> randabis: it will place things in /boot etc...
[07:57] <randabis> ah
[07:58] <fonz55> good afternoon all
[07:58] <trey3> perfectly ok if you only have one box to set up...
[07:58] <trey3> fonz55: hey
[07:58] <randabis> I'd rather edit my menu.lst manually anyway
[07:59] <trey3> randabis: or you could issue 'update-grub'  ;)
[07:59] <randabis> yeah
[07:59] <Moiana> randabis : you may want to make-kpkg binary   (plus other options, of course).  The
[07:59] <randabis> but I wanna add my vga=791, etc
[07:59] <Seabook> Who was talking about installing ubuntu on a Toshiba A70 a few days ago?
[08:00] <randabis> I installed it on a Gateway solo 2250 laptop
[08:00] <Moiana> randabis : the 'binary' target  produces the packages for kernel_source, headers, doc and image
[08:00] <randabis> works great
[08:00] <COIN> #ubuntu-fr
[08:00] <randabis> old 450 mhz p3 with 224 MB of ram...hehe
[08:00] <trey3> randabis: not really a 'but' worthy statement... update-grub and add it... still saves about 70 keystrokes  :)
[08:00] <fonz55> not me, I just installed it on an IBM T40p
[08:00] <randabis> true dat
[08:01] <randabis> usually when I do this is does the update-grub automatically
[08:01] <smitty> thanks everyone.
[08:01] <randabis> should be done compiling soon
[08:02] <randabis> well it finished the bzimage, just doing the make install
[08:02] <fonz55> randabis:installing a new kernel is it?
[08:02] <randabis> yessir
[08:02] <randabis> 2.6.10
[08:02] <fonz55> better
[08:03] <randabis> runnin' 2.6.9 right now
[08:04] <fonz55> hmm, me the standard one  2.6.8.1-3-386 (buildd@terranova)
[08:04] <fonz55> I will change it in a few days
[08:05] <fonz55> I just setup ubuntu on my laptop and I am really enthousiastic
[08:05] <randabis> me too :p
[08:05] <trey3> I thought I upgraded that
[08:05] <randabis> randabis-wireles is the laptop
[08:05] <GFXstyLER> hi
[08:06] <GFXstyLER> my sound does not work
[08:06] <Pozac> hi GFXstyLER
[08:06] <fonz55> hi there
[08:06] <trey3> bah... I did... I just didn't restart yet... lame  :(
[08:06] <randabis> haha
[08:06] <Pozac> what kind of sound card is it?
[08:06] <GFXstyLER> it works at the login screen but if i login
[08:06] <randabis> don't forget your initrd
[08:06] <GFXstyLER> via ac97 or something like that
[08:07] <Pozac> GFXstyLER, Is your user in the 'audio' group ?
[08:07] <GFXstyLER> i dont know, i have a look
[08:07] <GFXstyLER> yes it is
[08:07] <randabis> also, do Computer --> Desktop Preferences --> Sound --> Enable Sound Server Startup
[08:08] <GFXstyLER> i did
[08:08] <randabis> hmm
[08:08] <GFXstyLER> but after gdm it still wont work :)
[08:08] <randabis> volume up?
[08:08] <dud> this dvd will be interesting to check out...
[08:08] <GFXstyLER> yes
[08:08] <randabis> hmm
[08:08] <dud> i aborted a k3b burn, and the drive just kept blinking
[08:08] <Pozac> whats the output of lsof /dev/dsp ?
[08:08] <dud> now ive opened k3b again, and started burning on the disc
[08:09] <dud> it didnt complain...
[08:09] <neenee> hi everyone.
[08:09] <randabis> heh
[08:09] <GFXstyLER> if i try to play a file in xmms it wont work too
[08:09] <randabis> sup neenee
[08:09] <dud> GFXstyLER, does lsmod show lots of sound modules as it should?
[08:09] <neenee> just installing ubuntu is up randabis ;)
[08:09] <randabis> coolness
[08:10] <randabis> warty?
[08:10] <GFXstyLER> yes
[08:10] <neenee> yes, but i want to install that other one
[08:10] <neenee> hoary or something
[08:10] <neenee> i am unsure about the correct name
[08:10] <GFXstyLER> snd_via82xx
[08:10] <randabis> ah, you can get a daily iso of it, but be warned...t'is unstable
[08:10] <neenee> i am trying to find which repositories to add to my sources.list
[08:10] <neenee> i ran debian unstable
[08:11] <randabis> I'd put it on a seperate partition
[08:11] <Guardiann> where can you get the daily iso
[08:11] <neenee> and gentoo before that
[08:11] <randabis> I like gentoo, but I hate compile times :p
[08:11] <neenee> :)
[08:11] <trey3> neenee: blah... not special... everyone who actually uses Debian uses Sid  :)
[08:11] <randabis> so ubuntu was a good fit
[08:11] <neenee> :)
[08:11] <neenee> trey3: i doubt that, since then the other versions would no long be maintained
[08:11] <trey3> neenee: I've had more issues in ~2 months with hoary then I did in ~3 years with Sid though  :(
[08:12] <trey3> neenee: bah... they are maintained on principal...
[08:12] <randabis> hmm
[08:12] <GFXstyLER> brb
[08:12] <mparenti> How can I make "Computer" and "Wastebasket" appear on my gnome desktop?
[08:12] <randabis> update-grub didn't find the new kernel
[08:12] <randabis> oh, wait
[08:12] <randabis> it did
[08:13] <Vaportrail> is it possible to set up the 4th and 5th mousebutton to act as back and forward buttons for nautilus, too, and not only 4 firefox?
[08:13] <jeffreyb> Is Hoary release date in April?
[08:13] <trey3> neenee: developers and experienced users use sid... the paranoid use sarge... the people that haven't figured out how to upgrade complain about stable  :/
[08:13] <rwabel> does anyone also have the problem on hoary that apt wants to remove some of gnome and openoffice packages
[08:13] <randabis> just make-kpkg named it the wrong thing
[08:13] <randabis> haha
[08:13] <trukulo> jeffreyb: on 04/2005
[08:13] <jeffreyb> yep - cool
[08:14] <neenee> hm
[08:14] <neenee> i need to figure out how to start X
[08:14] <neenee> egh
[08:14] <neenee> not start
[08:14] <trey3> jeffreyb: hence the versioning  (5.04)
[08:14] <neenee> apt-get it
[08:14] <neenee> i keep forgetting
[08:14] <neenee> oh wait
[08:14] <neenee> apt-cache search
[08:14] <kosmonautti> I don't remember the address of one site, which I found from the Ubuntu Forums. It's a howto which shows you how to install nvidia/ati 3D acceleration drivers all the way till the 32-bit chroot environment. Do you know the address of that site?
[08:14] <neenee> never mind me
[08:14] <trey3> neenee: apt-get install x-window-system-core
[08:14] <neenee> thx
[08:15] <mparenti> I have a PowerBook G4 and I want to hook it up to a monitor, but when I try it doesn't show anything on the monitor.  How can I get it to work?
[08:15] <dud> talking about bits... im thinking about getting an amd 64bit cpu
[08:15] <GFXstyLER> i got 1 soundfile to work
[08:15] <kosmonautti> dud: Great choice
[08:15] <dud> hows ubuntu with 64bit?
[08:15] <GFXstyLER> its the gdm login sound
[08:15] <dud> nice and stable?
[08:15] <Pozac> GFXstyLER, no clicking sound when press buttons ?
[08:15] <kosmonautti> dud: Nice!!! About stable not sure yet and the chroot vs. 32-bit emulation libraries are the cons.
[08:15] <GFXstyLER> no
[08:16] <trey3> dud: apparently the best Debian based @ 64bit...
[08:16] <GFXstyLER> but:
[08:16] <kosmonautti> trey3: Agree.
[08:16] <dud> kosmonautti, the what chroot what? hehe
[08:16] <dud> fill me in...
[08:16] <Ensiferum> at which point are the devices in /dev updatet when booting up. (system is using devfs)
[08:16] <bretzel> Hey randabis: going to try DVD-install of hoary! :-)
[08:16] <dud> trey3, hmm
[08:16] <trey3> Ensiferum: why oh why are you using devfs?
[08:16] <randabis> cool] 
[08:16] <kosmonautti> Ubuntu is at least the best looking :)
[08:17] <Pozac> GFXstyLER, for mp3s, flash, etc http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:17] <Ensiferum> trey3: dunno. isnt that what ubuntu system is using?
[08:17] <trey3> kosmonautti: bah... I don't talk of looks...
[08:17] <trey3> Ensiferum: no
[08:17] <neenee> starting X now
[08:17] <trey3> Ensiferum: udev
[08:17] <bretzel> will give news about after install...
[08:17] <GFXstyLER> if i go to "computer/system configuration/login screen settings/" and then after "security" you can select if you want to have a soundfile played if the login screen is ready or not
[08:17] <Ensiferum> trey3: what's that then?
[08:17] <trey3> Ensiferum: userland devfs basically...
[08:17] <kosmonautti> Where's the site with the starter howto for ubuntu users?
[08:17] <GFXstyLER> and i can play that sound
[08:17] <trey3> Ensiferum: replaced devfs @ 2.6.8 if I recall
[08:18] <dud> GFXstyLER, you might have an issue similar to mine a few days ago
[08:18] <Ensiferum> trey3: how can i see then what i'm using?
[08:18] <dud> basically kde apps destroyed the alsa sound driver
[08:18] <GFXstyLER> and if i select any other sound files i can play them like that too
[08:18] <trey3> Ensiferum: you're using udev if you don't know...
[08:18] <dud> but left ESD running
[08:18] <GFXstyLER> dud: what was your problem?
[08:18] <dud> i just disabled all kde sound events
[08:18] <neenee> hm
[08:18] <GFXstyLER> i dont have kde
[08:18] <dud> no kde apps either?
[08:19] <neenee> how is the display manager called? i want to use ~/.xinitrc instead
[08:19] <GFXstyLER> no
[08:19] <dud> like k3b or similar
[08:19] <Ensiferum> trey3: mkay. well any ideas how to fix the problem then?
[08:19] <GFXstyLER> no :)
[08:19] <dud> okies, guess thats not it then
[08:19] <xukun> how can I upgrade things in ubuntu without compromising security?
[08:19] <mgedmin> neenee: you can use ~/.xsessionrc
[08:19] <neighborlee> where is java integration at or if no one knows where can I read about its status ?
[08:19] <neenee> okay
[08:19] <dud> but if the ubuntu system sounds works, its a good chance that ESD is working
[08:19] <mgedmin> neenee, oops, I meant ~/.xsession
[08:19] <trey3> Ensiferum: nope... didn't catch the issue  :(
[08:19] <mgedmin> no rc at the end
[08:19] <neenee> ok
[08:19] <GFXstyLER> maybe i have to use the "loginscreen settings" window as music player now *lol*
[08:19] <neenee> doesn't exist though
[08:19] <dud> most sound players use oss or alsa, but gnome uses esd
[08:19] <mgedmin> create it
[08:19] <will> neighborlee: java is a restricted format
[08:20] <neenee> hm
[08:20] <Pozac> Theres a .gnomerc
[08:20] <mgedmin> and then select session 'default' in gdm
[08:20] <kosmonautti> The website is like this here, but it covers more stuff: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713. Where is it? :///
[08:20] <GFXstyLER> how can i get esd ?
[08:20] <Ensiferum> trey3: kernel doesnt pick up my cd-rom drives. so basically i dont have the devices in /dev
[08:20] <dud> GFXstyLER, you have esd :)
[08:20] <neighborlee> will, not to those that need it and not to distros like mepis and suse and others...
[08:20] <GFXstyLER> and how can i use it?
[08:20] <dud> i dont know how you'd go about changing which sound dmons your apps will use...
[08:21] <dud> google around for it
[08:21] <GFXstyLER> ok
[08:21] <trey3> Ensiferum: modprobe ide-cd ; what does it say?
[08:21] <will> neighborlee: its coming in hoary :) : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JavaIntegration/view?searchterm=java
[08:21] <Ensiferum> trey3: nothing, so it installed i suppose
[08:21] <neighborlee> will, k thats what i was wondering thx...
[08:21] <Pozac> trey3, alsa's software multiplexing (or what its called) is not yet stable
[08:21] <trey3> Ensiferum: lsmod | grep ide-cd
[08:22] <trey3> Pozac: I disagree... this is the method Fedora uses... works fine.
[08:22] <Ensiferum> trey3: finds nothing
[08:22] <will> neighborlee its pisses me off too!
[08:22] <Ensiferum> trey3: however lsmod | grep ide_cd finds the module
[08:22] <dud> also try 'sudo lshw' Ensiferum
[08:22] <dud> see if it sees your cdroms
[08:22] <neighborlee> will, heh...well ubuntu ROCKS me yeah ill be very elated to see java
[08:22] <neenee> doesn't java work then?
[08:23] <trey3> Ensiferum: hmm... then theoretically, the cdrom should be there.... /dev/hdc...
[08:23] <neighborlee> neenee, after you jump through hoops yes..
[08:23] <neenee> i setup java this afternoon with debian.. shouldn't be that difficult with ubuntu?
[08:23] <neighborlee> neenee, hoops with suzie wont do
[08:23] <will> neenee: yes it works, its a cross platform language/machine
[08:23] <Ensiferum> dud: that's a great command!
[08:23] <neighborlee> neenee, but it will soon be moot point ;-) thankfully
[08:23] <dud> lshw rocks ;)
[08:23] <trey3> will: just because its proposed doesn't mean it will be accepted...
[08:24] <randabis> brb
[08:24] <randabis> gonna reboot into 2.6.10
[08:24] <Ensiferum> trey3: is the udev supposed to create the devices when kernel loads a certain module. and the kernel module load should be triggered by a hardware, or..?
[08:24] <Guardiann> what kernel is in hoary
[08:24] <neenee> hm
[08:24] <neighborlee> Ensiferum, YES
[08:25] <neenee> are there localized hoary repositories
[08:25] <will> trey: thats true, but hopefully they will work towards it :)
[08:25] <neighborlee> Ensiferum, I mean,,yes..sorry my caps went on accidentily
[08:25] <dud> 2.6.9 isnt it?
[08:25] <Ensiferum> neighborlee: np
[08:25] <kosmonautti> Really, are there any after installation howto's to get new users started except the one found from Ubuntu FAQ forums?
[08:25] <trey3> Ensiferum: I'm really not the person to ask about specifics... basically... hal pics up that the hardware is there, dbus pokes udev, and udev creates the pointer...
[08:25] <Pozac> also 2.6.10
[08:25] <trey3> Thats as far as my understanding stretches though...
[08:25] <trey3> picks*
[08:25] <sjoerd> trey3: it's exactly the other way around
[08:25] <Guardiann> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/       kosmonautti  try there
[08:26] <trey3> sjoerd: care to elaborate?
[08:26] <neighborlee> trey3, there is no choice about integrating java unless we dont want to see ubuntu succede..heck linux in general ;-)
[08:26] <dud> i just hate sun and java
[08:26] <dud> nothing personal, but i just hate it
[08:26] <dud> always have, always will
[08:26] <trey3> neighborlee: I disagree... the only distro that currently installs Java off the bat is SUSE... and they suck...
[08:26] <neighborlee> no I think mepis does too
[08:26] <neenee> egh
[08:26] <will> who wants to try suns ljava linux!?!?
[08:26] <dud> java is a slow and moronic language imho
[08:26] <neenee> can someone paste me a deb link for a hoary repository?
[08:27] <GFXstyLER> i cant play video files either
[08:27] <neighborlee> dud, yes but tons of websites USE IT
[08:27] <trey3> neighborlee: bah... ok... but both suck... so my point still counts...
[08:27] <kosmonautti> Does the nvidia drivers howto found from ubuntu guide work for the AMD64 version in the exact same way?
[08:27] <sjoerd> trey3: hotplug and udev get pushed by the kernel when there is a new device.. udev creates the device node, hotplug does some other stuff if needed.. both send events to hal which merges all the info
[08:27] <GFXstyLER> so no sound, no video ...
[08:27] <kezz> dud, don't flamebait
[08:27] <will> dud: its the JVM thats slow, not the language
[08:27] <dud> kezz, heh...
[08:27] <trey3> neighborlee: tons of sites use JavaScript... thats included...
[08:27] <neighborlee> trey3, tell that to suzie homemaker or the countless 'converts' we lost
[08:27] <neighborlee> trey3, no..is not
[08:27] <xukun> trey3: what about kanotix?
[08:27] <trey3> sjoerd: ahh... thanks  :)
[08:27] <neighborlee> trey3, you must go through a arcane install procedure so dont tell me its included
[08:28] <dud> neenee, just follow the wiki page on upgrading to hoary
[08:28] <bretzel> DVD-hoary jan-2005 seems to install well, but it was unable to start the framebuffer ...
[08:28] <dud> its real simple
[08:28] <neighborlee> xukun, not sure..but kanotis makes alot of things easier to install with tons of scripts...
[08:28] <neenee> dud: i will try, but lynx is not very nice to me :)
[08:28] <trey3> xukun: I have never even looked into Kanotix... which should tell you how successful it is... I have tried over 30 distros...
[08:29] <xukun> neighborlee: and why is that bad? easy for lot us out there
[08:29] <GFXstyLER> lol i guess reinstalling ubuntu will solve my problem
[08:29] <xukun> trench: looking at it wouldnt heart anybody
[08:29] <dud> has anyone else experienced slow dvd burning speeds on ubuntu?
[08:29] <GFXstyLER> its always like that, reinstalling, and it suddenly works, maybe ubuntu has something like a randomizer that chooses if something works or not
[08:29] <kosmonautti> How would you recommend quitting Gnome for the time when I install nvidia drivers and change XF86Config-4 ?
[08:29] <dud> cd burning is fine, but dvd is so damn slow for me :(
[08:29] <neighborlee> xukun, thats my points ..its not bad..;-))
[08:29] <xukun> trey3: : looking at it wouldnt heart anybody
[08:30] <gangalino> what's the path for gcc on Warty?
[08:30] <trey3> xukun: true enough... I've had no reason to yet though...
[08:30] <bretzel> And.. I am actually erasing my Fedora installation :-) now my P4 computer have Two ubuntu linux + the M$-winxp
[08:30] <trey3> gangalino: apt-get install build-essential
[08:30] <neighborlee> xukun, ubuntu makes most things pretty darn easy which is its entire point..I hope they add java to the easy list
[08:30] <dud> kosmonautti, ctrl+alt+backspace?
[08:30] <neenee> damnit
[08:30] <neenee> dud: the search function on the ubuntu wiki page does not work in lynx.
[08:30] <trey3> neighborlee: thats funny... Debian is considered one of the hardest distro's around... but Ubuntu is NO different... I'm confused...
[08:31] <xukun> trey3: I have tried it and using a long time along with ubuntu for my laptop and its realy gread
[08:31] <gangalino> 33: synaptic shows gcc3.4 base installed
[08:31] <trey3> Ubuntu = customized subset of Debian packages....
[08:31] <bretzel> neighborlee: Isn't java ok ? ( the actuall j2rsdk5 )
[08:31] <trey3> bretzel: personally I don't think Java is hard to install at all... he apparently disagrees...
[08:31] <xukun> neighborlee: I see your point
[08:32] <crimsun> gangalino: you need to install 'build-essential'. `sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[08:32] <trey3> xukun: care to elaborate for the rest of us?  :P
[08:32] <Pozac> trey3, Ubuntu = easy + apt + ancient init system
[08:32] <trey3> Pozac: umm... its no easier than Debian  :/
[08:32] <xukun> trey3: what?
[08:32] <crimsun> hey, that "ancient init system" works great ;P
[08:32] <neenee> geez.
[08:32] <bretzel> trey3: I dont get it because once it is installed, it just works ... I did install the jsdk version 5 and it seems ok
[08:32] <trey3> Pozac: and apt and ancient init system = Debian traits...
[08:32] <Pozac> yeah, except when you need to change something
[08:33] <neighborlee> trey3, ubuntu is entirely different..EASY to install ..most things just 'work' out of the box including alot of devices ...PLUS we get gnome2.8..anyway ubuntu rocks..I said so months ago and still feel that way..but we need java easier to install because we 'are' a easy to use distro...;-)....I think though we should shoot for IBM not sun
[08:33] <Pozac> trey3, yup
[08:33] <dud> neenee, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[08:33] <gangalino> crimsun: isn't it also available in Synaptic Pkg. Mgr? which one can I install? gcc3.4?
[08:33] <crimsun> gangalino: sure, it's available. Just search for and install 'build-essential'.
[08:33] <Ensiferum> just booted after messing up with MAKEDEV. system does load ide_generic, ide_disk and ide_cd. but, yet there's no device in /dev. neither do i seem them probed if listing kernel messages with dmesg. what gives?
[08:34] <dud> if this disc work, ill donate $50 to the flood victims
[08:34] <trey3> neighborlee: Ubuntu uses debian-installer... try getting a Sarge netinstall disc
[08:34] <dud> fairly certain it wont heh
[08:34] <kezz> anybody installed monodevelop on ubuntu ppc?
[08:34] <bretzel> neighborlee: Ah I get it :-) There are missing tools for java then...But the base is there and ok tho
[08:34] <randabis-wireles> dammit
[08:34] <zerokarmaleft> the greatest thing i like about ubuntu is adherence to debian policy for packaging but not adherence to debian extreme anal-retentiveness when it comes to choosing which packages to include in a stable distro version
[08:35] <trey3> neighborlee: I actually dislike the installer on account of it doesn't let me set domain or select my own packages...
[08:35] <neighborlee> thats another thing..if we dont include the 'essential' stuff..I think it would be nice to 'include' it in synaptic at first start as optional niceities for those that dont know about them ....i'd really like to see ubuntu climb the'easy to use' ladde and give M$ a run for its money ( competition is GOOD in this case <wink>0
[08:35] <randabis-wireles> my nforce drivers won't install
[08:35] <bretzel> randabis: ? :-)
[08:35] <trey3> neighborlee: those two substractions = the only differences though...
[08:35] <bretzel> oh!
[08:35] <randabis-wireles> the modules won't create
[08:35] <randabis-wireles> so no network or sound on the main box
[08:35] <neighborlee> trey3, the installer could be better yes..I think ( unlesss they have loftier plans) they might be well served to adopt use of 'anaconda' possibly like many others  have
[08:35] <Pozac> randabis-wireles, whats wrong with the one in restriced-modules ?
[08:35] <neenee> dud: thanks.
[08:36] <trey3> neighborlee: if you want anaconda for Debian... use Progeny.
[08:36] <randabis-wireles> it's old i think
[08:36] <dud> np neenee
[08:36] <Pozac> hmm
[08:36] <neighborlee> trey3, no..progenhy is too bleeding edge like FC...I tried it once ..I couldn't even get a install to work..NO THANKS ;-)
[08:37] <trey3> neighborlee: work is going into creating a GTK interface for d-i... however I don't see how it can be much easier?
[08:37] <neighborlee> trey3, no we need to concentrate on making ubuntu great...it already is but with a bit of a nudge it will be something M$ users consider 'upgrading' to <wink>
[08:37] <xukun> neighborlee: ist hoary alos bleeding edge?
[08:37] <xukun> also
[08:37] <neighborlee> I dont know..i'm not using it..I downloaded warty months ago and still use it...
[08:37] <trey3> neighborlee: I use Hoary... when I use Debian, I use Sid... old software makes me cry
[08:37] <randabis-wireles> i tried copying the old modules over but that don'twork obviously
[08:38] <neighborlee> trey3, heh yes debian is known for this sadness which is why ubuntu is clearly ahead of the curve on this
[08:38] <neighborlee> trey3, what is d-i ?
[08:38] <lavigj> how much space does ubuntu need on a laptop to really get a feel for it? I need mostly office type apps, email, web, chat.
[08:38] <trey3> neighborlee: debian-installer
[08:38] <kezz> debian-installer
[08:38] <neighborlee> ahhhhh
[08:38] <trey3> the installer you used when you installed Ubuntu
[08:38] <lavigj> would ~10GB be enough?
[08:38] <neighborlee> trey3, well..to US its easy...to suzie its HARD
[08:38] <xukun> neighborlee: which version of mozzilla-firefox are you using?
[08:38] <kezz> lavigj, easily enough
[08:39] <neighborlee> trey3, we are just used to it cause we're all l33t
[08:39] <trey3> neighborlee: its really not though
[08:39] <neighborlee> LOL
[08:39] <trey3> neighborlee: and I'm not l33t
[08:39] <lavigj> kezz: ok, it is my only windows box and as windows likes to replicate, I don't want to cramp it too much :)
[08:39] <kezz> lavigj,
[08:39] <trey3> neighborlee: d-i asks less questions than the CLI interface for XP... its really not hard.
[08:39] <kezz> Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[08:39] <kezz> /dev/hda4             16164716   1944452  13399124  13% /
[08:39] <neighborlee> trey3, true its much 'easier' now but its still nowhere near as easy as installing MDK or SUSE or Fedoracore for example..or even vidalinux or libranet probably
[08:39] <trey3> neighborlee: haha @ saying mandrakes installer is easy...
[08:40] <Ensiferum> dud: lshw doesnt show the cdroms.
[08:40] <trey3> I found it to be the hardest distro around to install
[08:40] <neighborlee> trey3, no i was saying the current warty installer...i'm all for d-i if it truly makes a nice easy install possible for those wanting it and leaves a power install for us l33ters LOL
[08:40] <lavigj> kezz is that what you are using?
[08:40] <trey3> Its pretty... but it sure as hell isn't easy
[08:40] <neighborlee> trey3, well it is LOL..have you tried it?
[08:40] <lavigj> kezz: for space
[08:40] <kezz> lavigj, yes
[08:40] <lavigj> kezz: ok, so not bad at all then
[08:40] <kezz> lavigj, its usable now with 2 gig used so 10 gig is easily enough
[08:40] <lavigj> kezz: cool. Thanks.
[08:41] <trey3> neighborlee: yes... I wouldn't state "I found it to be the hardest distro around to install" if I hadn't tried it.
[08:41] <lavigj> kezz: I usually use gentoo which is a bit disc hungry at times, but I wanted to try something else and didn't want to short myself too much on space
[08:41] <neighborlee> trey3, anyway thats great news about d-i gtk based installer..berry glad to hear that ;-)
[08:41] <trey3> neighborlee: why? it just means it will take longer to install  :/
[08:41] <neighborlee> trey3, its no h arder than suse or fedora I dont think..but we all have our own ideas about things
[08:41] <gangalino> where are the "C header files" in Warty?
[08:42] <kezz> lavigj, yeah my ibook and gentoo don't get on too well
[08:42] <randabis-wireles> oh, and i can't use those restricted modules with a 2.6.10 kernel
[08:42] <neighborlee> trey3, you miss the point....suzie could care LESS as long as she isn't 'forced into using terminal crap'
[08:42] <kezz> gangalino, /usr/include
[08:42] <trey3> neighborlee: Anaconda is a nice installer... Yast is heavy, but pretty easy... Mandrakes installer is just badly thought out.
[08:42] <lavigj> kezz: wierd. I really like gentoo and have had a lot of success with it... I just wanted to try something other than a source based distro on the laptop since it isn't quite so beefy.
[08:42] <neenee> do i have to uncomment that universe thing to install xorg?
[08:43] <gangalino> The header files in /usr/include are generally for C libraries, not for the
[08:43] <gangalino> running kernel. If you do not have kernel header files in your /usr/src
[08:43] <gangalino> directory, you probably do not have the kernel-source package installed. Are yousure that /usr/include contains the header files associated with your running
[08:43] <gangalino> kernel? [no] 
[08:43] <trey3> neighborlee: XP forces uses to answer more complicated questions... difference being they sell preinstalled on shelves.
[08:43] <neighborlee> trey3, yeah it is in some places but easy is still relevant ;-)
[08:43] <trey3> Thats the answer... not making installers clunky and "pretty"...
[08:43] <lavigj> kezz: do you like the package management in ubuntu?
[08:43] <neighborlee> trey3, yes i'm not fond of xp's installer either
[08:43] <neighborlee> trey3, but then who is ..hahaha
[08:43] <kezz> lavigj, yes apt is really nice
[08:43] <trey3> neighborlee: Suzie shouldn't need to install her own box... it should come pre installed
[08:43] <lavigj> kezz: cool. this is a Good Thing (TM)
[08:44] <kezz> lavigj, its the best desktop linux ive come across
[08:44] <neighborlee> trey3, point is clear I think ;-)..easier is good if we care at all about attracting new users which > more vendor support ..assuming 'enough' of us care
[08:44] <Cloudchaser> hmmm i tried to install swat (samba config tool) but i get a broken depends msg
[08:44] <kezz> lavigj, esp for my laptop
[08:44] <lavigj> kezz: anyway, thanks for the input. I need to get going but I appreciate the info.
[08:44] <kezz> np
[08:44] <neenee> it's not only attracting new users, but keeping them..
[08:44] <randabis-wireles> man
[08:44] <randabis-wireles> this sucks
[08:44] <trey3> neighborlee: where you and I disagree is what "easy" means... easy to me = not complicated; easy to you = not intimidating to look at...
[08:44] <randabis-wireles> why the hell won't the modules get created...
[08:45] <lavigj> kezz: actually, one more question. do you have a prism based wireless card?
[08:45] <neighborlee> trey3, ic
[08:45] <kezz> lavigj, i have a couple of usb adapters but i left them at uni so i haven't tried em yet
[08:45] <neenee> (anyone on the universe line question?)
[08:45] <kezz> they use prism2 chipsets
[08:45] <trey3> neighborlee: you can safely just keep hitting enter with Ubuntu's installer... and likely hood is it will work...
[08:45] <kezz> lavigj, i believe ndiswrapper works ok with ubuntu tho i haven't tried it yet
[08:46] <neighborlee> trey3, well all i'm saying is if its easy enough ( lets compare it to linspire or xandros easy of install..3 clicks and your  done IF you want) for a average housewife or NON programer..then GUESS how many vendors will start supporting linux ..its not rocket science man ;-)
[08:46] <trey3> This is a little less complicated than any other installer I can name...
[08:46] <lavigj> kezz: ok. I was just wondering. I don't have experience with wireless under linux
[08:46] <Pozac> neenee, do you have hoary?
[08:46] <lavigj> kezz: yet
[08:46] <neenee> Pozac: i am upgrading to it at the moment
[08:46] <Pozac> neenee, I don't think X.Org is in warty
[08:46] <kezz> lavigj, good luck (you'll need it)
[08:46] <neenee> Pozac: it does not seem to be in hoary either
[08:46] <dud> for complicated installer, try the netbsd 1.6 or similar :O
[08:46] <trey3> Pozac: its not...  :)
[08:46] <lavigj> kezz: thanks
[08:46] <dud> or the old 4.0ish freebsd installer
[08:47] <neighborlee> trey3, anyway ill be glad to see this new gtk  based installer..the current one is honkey dorey for me but the option coming is def. nice
[08:47] <dud> xorg is in hoary
[08:47] <Vaportrail> is it possible to slow down the mouse under x (not gnome)?
[08:47] <dud> called xserver-xorg
[08:47] <trey3> neighborlee: Its basically exactly the same, but using GTK widgets...  ;/
[08:47] <ycco> anyone here know all the network config files under Ubuntu?
[08:47] <randabis-wireles> :(
[08:48] <neighborlee> trey3, so its more of a 'pretty up' than anything else ??
[08:48] <randabis-wireles> the log don't tell me much
[08:48] <Pozac> ycco, what are you looking for?
[08:48] <neenee> Vaportrail: yes
[08:48] <neofeed> where are the keymaps stored in ubuntu?
[08:48] <gangalino> how do I get the C header / kernel sources files?
[08:48] <ycco> Pozac: http://occy.net/tmp/oddnetworkingissues_ubuntu  please look at that.
[08:48] <neenee> Vaportrail: but i do not know the settings by heart, and i do not have a proper browser to find a link for you.
[08:48] <ycco> Pozac: need to find out why it's different
[08:48] <Pozac> ycco, can do
[08:48] <dud> gangalino, kernel-headers kernel-source
[08:48] <trey3> neighborlee: I wouldn't even call it that... ncurses is nice imo
[08:48] <dud> apt-get packages that is
[08:48] <neighborlee> trey3, for most of us prob. yes thats true enough
[08:49] <Vaportrail> neenee and I do not have the skill to find it myself :P
[08:49] <neenee> Vaportrail: sure you do
[08:49] <ycco> Pozac: I'm having routing issues there on my laptop. :/
[08:49] <gangalino> thx, dud
[08:49] <Vaportrail> neenee you don't meen xset?
[08:49] <randabis-wireles> guess it's time for some googling
[08:49] <Ensiferum> trey3: you got any ideas how to make the kernel probe this particular ide channel. looks like that this is the problem in question.
[08:49] <dud> Vaportrail, just google for "mouse speed x server" or something
[08:49] <Cloudchaser> neighborlee, i think there are a few distros aimed at linux newbies, the question is....is ubuntu one of them and is that an official goal of ubuntu?
[08:49] <neenee> Vaportrail: hm.. that might be part of the command
[08:49] <trey3> ycco: wireless? settings seem the same  :/
[08:49] <neenee> Vaportrail: xset m something perhaps
[08:50] <Vaportrail> neenee yes, but that can't make it slower, only faster then it is :(
[08:50] <trey3> Ensiferum: sorry  :(
[08:50] <Pozac> ycco, hmm.. that looks fine
[08:50] <Pozac> ycco, whats the routing issues?
[08:50] <neenee> Vaportrail: you could run gnome-settings-daemon beneath whatever window manager you use
[08:50] <trey3> Cloudchaser: Ubuntu = KISS... afaict at least...
[08:50] <Pozac> ycco, nothing works or?
[08:51] <Cloudchaser> neighborlee, i read the "Welcome to Ubunutu" statement on the web page
[08:51] <trey3> Cloudchaser: I don't really think there is a specific target audiance other than those that like simplicity...
[08:51] <Cloudchaser> it doesn't say anything about "easy"
[08:51] <Cloudchaser> it speaks about "free"
[08:51] <Vaportrail> neenee hmm, but that only does it for gnome or? not for x in general?
[08:51] <gangalino> uname -a gives me 2.6.8.1-3-386 which kernel header do I choose?
[08:51] <ycco> Pozac: it works.. just super laggy
[08:51] <trey3> gangalino: that would be -r
[08:51] <maps73> hy...
[08:51] <Cloudchaser> if it is an official goal to be easy, it needs to have some things addressed
[08:51] <crimsun> gangalino: linux-headers-`uname -r`
[08:51] <ycco> Pozac: I installed at a friends house who has dhcp setup.
[08:51] <ycco> I don't have dhcp setup here.
[08:51] <siretart> gangalino: use kernel-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:51] <Cloudchaser> and in this case, free and easy don't go hand in hand
[08:52] <maps73> i've got a question about a mp3 player
[08:52] <neenee> Vaportrail: it would work for x in general
[08:52] <gangalino>  sudo apt-get install kernel-headers doesn't give me a choice for 2.6.8x
[08:52] <Ensiferum> trey3: :/
[08:52] <neenee> Vaportrail: add exec gnome-settings-daemon & to your .xinitrc
[08:52] <trey3> Cloudchaser: "easy" as a goal = not my type of distro.... I like simplicity... people that try to make things "easy" usually just make things take longer  :/
[08:52] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, hmm I didn't know that..true you are correct then
[08:52] <Cloudchaser> trey3, you're not a linux new person
[08:52] <trey3> Case in point: wizards...
[08:52] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, ill have to give that a read
[08:53] <Cloudchaser> my point and neighborlee
[08:53] <Cloudchaser> i think
[08:53] <dud> i ran slackware for a long time. thats a simple as it gets
[08:53] <Cloudchaser> is
[08:53] <Vaportrail> neenee ogt it, xset m does it with broken numbers
[08:53] <randabis-wireles> grrr
[08:53] <Cloudchaser> i recommend linux to someone
[08:53] <dud> in the end, it just became too much hassle on a daily basis
[08:53] <Vaportrail> neenee like xset m 1/4 1/4
[08:53] <bretzel> sh*t! the haory DVD install fails at the grub install! Grub is uninstallable ! ?
[08:53] <crimsun> gangalino: please see what I typed.
[08:53] <Cloudchaser> they get it installed, all excited, go to their internet game site and then...
[08:53] <Cloudchaser> it doesn't work
[08:53] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, i'd heard in reviews and what not that easy was a goal but..if its not it should be addressed and I think overall it is easy but def. not everything....:(..yet anyway ;-)
[08:53] <trey3> dud: no... slack makes you do too much to be classified "simple"... without third party tools like swaret or slapt-get... slack is a pain to run...
[08:54] <Cloudchaser> so in windows, they'd get a message saying they need java
[08:54] <crimsun> siretart: remember to recommend linux-* for ubuntu instead of Debian's kernel-*
[08:54] <trey3> dud: Debian's strong-suit = debconf... nothing competes with it.
[08:54] <Cloudchaser> and they click ok and it installs and they're happy
[08:54] <Cloudchaser> but in linux...its not so
[08:54] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, yeah true....flash is fairly easy to deal with ( even in windows it must be installed) but yeah java is ridicously hard to dea with in most linux distros..but that will change if 'I' have anything to say about i t
[08:54] <ycco> Pozac: posted my hosts files too
[08:54] <Cloudchaser> yes flash works via internet installer
[08:54] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, I may not have TONS of pull but i'm def. NOT afraid to shoot off my mouth <G>
[08:54] <Pozac> ycco, how about your resolv.conf files?
[08:54] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, hahah
[08:55] <ycco> sec
[08:55] <Cloudchaser> well good luck with it neighborlee ;)
[08:55] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, thx..Ill need it <wink>
[08:55] <ycco> Pozac: they are fine with my ISP's DNS.
[08:55] <Cloudchaser> now the newb goes to a news site and wants to watch a news clip
[08:55] <ycco> Pozac: same as my desktop which is working great.
[08:55] <Cloudchaser> oh holy toledo you lost them!
[08:55] <Pozac> ycco, fine ok :)
[08:55] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, java 'almost' works in fireworks..but not quite..if that worked then debian would have one less thing to worry about
[08:55] <Cloudchaser> heck i'm still fighting with it when i get time to get all the medias worked out
[08:56] <Cloudchaser> so back they go to windows
[08:56] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, be nice if flash install worked in firworks too..I think it does in windows but not sure..<<
[08:56] <Cloudchaser> whats fireworks?
[08:56] <Pozac> ycco, where are the hosts files?
[08:56] <gangalino> crimsun: what did you type? I have my kernel version, but apt kernel-headers doesn't provide a choice for my version, which is 2.6.8x
[08:56] <neighborlee> oops
[08:56] <Cloudchaser> i installed flash on rh when the msg came up that i needed it
[08:56] <trey3> Cloudchaser: firefox to people that aren't knowledgable  ;)
[08:56] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, sorry not fireworks LOL..I have that app on the mind LOL..I  mean: fire'fox' ROFL
[08:57] <Pozac> ycco, maybe also output of ifconfig
[08:57] <Cloudchaser> hehe
[08:57] <ycco> Pozac: in  occy.net/tmp
[08:57] <neighborlee> trey3, hey now that aint nice ..ROFL
[08:57] <ycco> Pozac: k
[08:57] <Cloudchaser> i like ubuntu alot
[08:57] <trey3> neighborlee: its a true statement though is it not?  :)
[08:57] <Pozac> ah ok
[08:57] <neighborlee> trey3, depends how you meant it
[08:58] <Cloudchaser> and i think some day it might be "easy" for newbs
[08:58] <trey3> Cloudchaser: I like GNOME 2.9 and Xorg... different reasons to use Ubuntu I guess  :)
[08:58] <Cloudchaser> but now isn't the time
[08:58] <Cloudchaser> some little kinks to work out i think
[08:58] <bretzel> What special with Gonme 2.9  against 2.8 ?
[08:58] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, someone coming from windows WOULD indeed not finding ubuntu 'easy'...totally agree
[08:58] <trey3> bretzel: its newer and shinnier  :)
[08:58] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, my hope is ubuntu fullly knows this and are working on it..but its dain close ;-))
[08:58] <ycco> Pozac: k, ifconfig-laptop  and ifconfig-desktop
[08:59] <trey3> bretzel: other than that... most noticable changes are down to GTK 2.6 ...
[08:59] <Cloudchaser> well there's some other things missing besides just media and java ease
[08:59] <trey3> Cloudchaser: like what?
[08:59] <bretzel> :-) GNome with 2.8 ubuntu is already greater than never and beats KDE in other KDE distros ... so It's hard for me to guess what is better in 2.9 :-) :-)
[08:59] <gangalino> media is a big thing
[08:59] <crimsun> gangalino: linux-headers-`uname -r`
[09:00] <trey3> One thing I believe is laking for instance = when you click on a .deb... you should get a dialogue asking whether to install...
[09:00] <siretart> crimsun: pardon. your completly right
[09:00] <trey3> Thats about the only thing I see is missing...
[09:00] <gangalino> crimsun: cwa2@mombassa:~/downloads/vmware-distrib $ uname -r
[09:00] <gangalino> 2.6.8.1-3-386
[09:00] <Cloudchaser> well i'm not quite sure "what" is the issue.. but connecting to other windows pc's, network browsing, samba config is a nightmare
[09:00] <Cloudchaser> swat is broken
[09:00] <trey3> swat has been broken for years...
[09:00] <bretzel> In hoary installcd, is Lilo working ? because Grub is scewed I had to restart the installation
[09:00] <Pozac> ycco, hmm, that seems mighty fine
[09:00] <trey3> A frontend for Samba might be a good thing though...?
[09:00] <Cloudchaser> it doesn't even install trey
[09:01] <Vaportrail> there is a hoary install cd?
[09:01] <Cloudchaser> yes a frontend built in
[09:01] <crimsun> gangalino: install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[09:01] <Cloudchaser> its sorta kinda there but not finished i guess
[09:01] <trey3> I am all for making things easier etc... read: take less time/steps though...
[09:01] <ycco> Pozac: I didn't have an /etc/networks file
[09:01] <ycco> !!!
[09:01] <bretzel> \trye3: gnomba ? ( client ) and smbmount for server
[09:01] <ycco> hmm
[09:01] <ycco> still seems to be some lag though
[09:01] <Cloudchaser> there's an option for windows networking
[09:01] <Vaportrail> mkay
[09:01] <Pozac> ycco, I dont have it either :)
[09:01] <ycco> Pozac: I have it on my desktop
[09:02] <crimsun> ycco: did you ever resolve your 1400x1050 issue?
[09:02] <bretzel> oh! I see kernel 2.6.10 in the hoary installation!!! the sources are being installed!
[09:02] <Gwildor|Work> FYI, adobe had a pdf viewer for linux coming out soon....its beta ATM
[09:02] <Cloudchaser> but, at least on my machine, network browser is not working..i think thats nautilus bug
[09:02] <trey3> bretzel: no... if its not part of Nautilus/GNOME itself, you can't consider it a solution...
[09:02] <Pozac> ycco, hmm
[09:02] <ycco> crimsun: YES!
[09:02] <crimsun> ycco: excellent
[09:02] <ycco> crimsun: occy.net/insprion7500
[09:02] <ycco> crimsun: go read that for a chuckle
[09:02] <Cloudchaser> Gwildor|Work, i have adobe's pdf reader installed along with the plugin
[09:02] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, nautilus was great idea but its just too slow I find..even on my PIV2.26 with one gig of ram ;-)
[09:02] <trey3> bretzel: maybe GNOMBA is going in the right direction... but nautilus is where you go in GNOME to deal with files...
[09:03] <Pozac> nautilus too slow?
[09:03] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, buts its integration idea is slick indeed...
[09:03] <ycco> now the issues I'm having are with networking and my battery not showing up...
[09:03] <Vaportrail> grml xset m 1/4 1/4 ends in negative acceleration :(
[09:03] <bretzel> trey3: ah, its ok, it should be not difficult to implement samba in nautilus for the coders... :-) I would do it meself but no time and too much API to learn
[09:03] <Cloudchaser> i don't know what gnomba is
[09:03] <ycco> Pozac: naw... just typing while ssh'ed in shouldn't lag
[09:03] <trey3> neighborlee: that was true years ago... Nautilus is one of the most responsive components of GNOME today though :/
[09:03] <neighborlee> Pozac, although I should prob. turh off the icon preview of files ;(..
[09:03] <trey3> bretzel: :)
[09:03] <neighborlee> trey3, welllll possibly but NOT if you have on icon preview
[09:03] <neighborlee> trey3, which btw IS the defaut action
[09:03] <Cloudchaser> i get permissions error when i try to browse my network
[09:04] <gangalino> crimsun: I appreciate you working with me. But do you mean "sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386"?
[09:04] <trey3> neighborlee: yes... and its still fast to me... and I'm on a 950 duron  :/
[09:04] <crimsun> gangalino: no, I mean: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[09:04] <Pozac> neighborlee, Also not count items in folder.. a bit rough on the ol' disk
[09:04] <trey3> gangalino: yes...
[09:04] <neighborlee> trey3, well on some large DIR's..its takes forever to load up....
[09:04] <gangalino> sudo apt-get install kernel-headers- 'uname -r'
[09:04] <gangalino> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:04] <gangalino> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:04] <gangalino> Package kernel-headers is not installed, so not removed
[09:04] <trey3> crimsun: same difference... just one is smarter  :)
[09:04] <Cloudchaser> that it does neighborlee
[09:05] <bretzel> trey3: Do you know if lilo is well in hoary ? because there are errors in process on installing grub in my copy of hoary-dvd
[09:05] <neighborlee> trey3, the icon preview is nice but its a bit slow on load time <G>
[09:05] <Cloudchaser> when i mount an smb share it takes a while to load up the dir
[09:05] <crimsun> gangalino: my use of back ticks is essential
[09:05] <gangalino> oh I see
[09:05] <trey3> bretzel: yes... its the default for XFS formatted /boot for instance...
[09:05] <crimsun> (or you could use linux-headers-$(uname -r) )
[09:05] <Pozac> or run uname -r first
[09:06] <trey3> (don't ask me why I decided to format /boot as XFS... couldn't tell ya)
[09:06] <bretzel> good then I hope it will not fails for that too :-(
[09:06] <trey3> Pozac: no... that adds another step...
[09:06] <ycco> Pozac or crimsun  You guys know how I can completely wipe my network settings and reconfigure them from scratch?
[09:06] <crimsun> ycco: yeah, you'll be cleaning out /etc/network/interfaces
[09:07] <ycco> crimsun: no worries
[09:07] <trey3> ycco: rm /etc/network/interfaces && touch /etc/network interfaces
[09:07] <trey3> although I don't recommend it
[09:07] <Pozac> hmm
[09:07] <dud> heh, the localization on my ubuntu is so majorly messed up :O
[09:07] <ycco> crimsun: I just want to start fresh like it's a new install (regarding network)
[09:07] <dud> english, norwegian bokml, norwegian nynorks, danish, and swedish
[09:07] <trey3> Pozac: regex is very handy to learn  :)
[09:07] <dud> one never know what language the next message will be in
[09:07] <crimsun> ycco: then you'll want at least lo up
[09:07] <dud> s/know/knows
[09:08] <Pozac> trench, s/handy/slow
[09:08] <ycco> crimsun: nothing I can reconfigure or something?
[09:08] <bretzel> dud: ROFL
[09:08] <ycco> dpkg-reconfigure network   or some crap.
[09:08] <ycco> heh
[09:08] <crimsun> ycco: well, it should start with at least: auto lo\niface lo inet loopback
[09:08] <neighborlee> trey3, i'm not saying we should substitute this app for nautilus but I sure love how fast 'gentoo' FM is..loads fast works fast and its VERY configurable..maybe if it had a nicer UI it might be the ticket....then again maybe they are working on speeeding up nautilus ..LOL
[09:09] <dud> ubuntu's norwegian localization is... incomplete to say the least ;)
[09:09] <Pozac> nautilus is not slow
[09:09] <neighborlee> speaking of which..how do I turn off 'icon' view of files in nautilus...??
[09:09] <crimsun> 'gentoo' rocks, as does 'rox-filer'
[09:09] <ycco> crimsun: I really don't understand any of the interface stuff.  For years I've just done:   ifconfig eth0 10.10.0.x  route add default gw 10.10.0.1
[09:09] <ycco> crimsun: and it's just worked.
[09:09] <neighborlee> crimsun, agreed
[09:09] <Pozac> neighborlee, in the prefs?
[09:09] <Gwildor|Work> Cloudchaser, is it any good?
[09:09] <dud> but with rosetta being a bit funky as of lately, its a bitch to translate...
[09:09] <neighborlee> Pozac, nope i've looked..can't find it
[09:09] <Cloudchaser> Gwildor|Work, the adobe reader?
[09:09] <bretzel> neighborlee: Woah! I never get successful install tries of Gentoo
[09:09] <Gwildor|Work> Cloudchaser, the pdf viewer, that is
[09:09] <neighborlee> Pozac, if its user error so be it ..but i'm not finding it :(
[09:09] <Gwildor|Work> yeah
[09:09] <neenee> hmm
[09:09] <neenee> does ubuntu have ion window manager?
[09:09] <trey3> neighborlee: they are... gnome will never use gnomba over nautilus though... nautilus does entirely too much...
[09:10] <neighborlee> bretzel, nope I mean the gentoo  file manager ;-))
[09:10] <bretzel> Gentoo Filemanager oops!
[09:10] <crimsun> ycco: I presume your can set your router/modem to hand out dhcp leases, though? (most do by default)
[09:10] <Cloudchaser> i guess so...i needed to install the plug-in to view a college catalog page...
[09:10] <Pozac> neighborlee, no 'Preview' tab ??
[09:10] <neenee> i can't even install openbox in ubuntu - nor find it with apt-cache
[09:10] <bretzel> hahaha
[09:10] <neighborlee> trey3, gnomba??
[09:10] <crimsun> presume you^, rather
[09:10] <neighborlee> trey3, yeah it does a bit too much
[09:10] <ycco> crimsun: No... I don't have that setup.
[09:10] <trey3> neighborlee: for instance... nautilus handles everything you see on the desktop thats not on a panel (icons, wallpaper etc)...
[09:10] <Cloudchaser> seemed to work fine
[09:10] <Gwildor|Work> Cloudchaser, kk, thnx, i was just getting the XP reader today, and saw it.....thnx
[09:10] <Cloudchaser> haven't played with it much..just got it yesterday
[09:10] <trey3> neighborlee: nah... it does what its meant to do... its the desktop shell...
[09:10] <ycco> crimsun: a friend helped me setup a firewall and such.... and all I do is just give the box an ip.
[09:10] <ycco> heh
[09:10] <Cloudchaser> its in the repos
[09:11] <Cloudchaser> not sure which one, but one i have installed anyway ;)
[09:11] <neighborlee> trey3, you just said it does too much
[09:11] <Cloudchaser>  sudo apt-get install acroread-plugin
[09:11] <neenee> can someone tell me why i can not find openbox with apt-cache search openbox ?
[09:11] <ycco> anyhoo..... :/
[09:11] <Cloudchaser> will get the reader too
[09:11] <trey3> neighborlee: people who consider it a file manager are terribly mislead...  it also handles error messages etc too... it does everything bash does for the terminal...
[09:11] <dud> im never buying a celeron again...
[09:11] <kent> I just started the Help program in Hoary. I must say that the gnome people have been doing some real good job! It looks very good! (2.9.3)
[09:11] <trey3> neighborlee: I said it does too much to be replaced by gnomba...
[09:11] <dud> cant wait to get my amd 64bit cpu running
[09:12] <neighborlee> trey3, that may well be but it is the defaut gnome file manager ...
[09:12] <neighborlee> trey3, and its too slow
[09:12] <Pozac> neenee, enable the universe repository
[09:12] <neenee> Pozac: ok
[09:12] <trey3> neighborlee: its not a file manager... its a desktop shell... very different...
[09:12] <crimsun> ycco: ok, then in addition to the lo iface config I typed above, you'll need: auto eth0\niface eth0 inet static\naddress 10.10.0.x\nnetmask 255.255.255.0\ngateway 10.10.0.1
[09:12] <neighborlee> trey3, I mean gez louise peeps..look how 'fast' expolorer in windows is and tell me we are even close to that useability level...at least NOT with nautilus we aren't !!
[09:13] <crimsun> ycco: presuming of course that you replace the 'x' with the integer
[09:13] <bretzel> yeah! trey3: Lilo went well!!!! but I forgot that I have winxp and I must redo lilo in the mbr of my master disk... hopefully
[09:13] <neighborlee> trey3, irrelvant since its being 'used' as one
[09:13] <trey3> neighborlee: on this box... explorer is less responsive...
[09:13] <ycco> crimsun: ok... thanks... I'm guessing this means there is no way to re-invoke the network configuration tool one was prompted with during the intstall.
[09:13] <neighborlee> trey3, then we have entirely at odds with one anther systems I guess .hahah
[09:13] <gangalino> crimsun: I'm trying to go through the vmware-installer.
[09:13] <neighborlee> trey3, hah go fig
[09:13] <Pozac> trey3, I second that
[09:14] <gangalino> it's having a problems finding the c header files
[09:14] <gangalino> check #flood for the errors
[09:14] <neighborlee> trey3, but then again explorer doesn't try to load files as icon previews as default either
[09:14] <ycco> crimsun: looking for clicky clicky or at the very worst curses based.
[09:14] <trey3> neighborlee: uhh... yes it does...
[09:14] <dud> w00t w00t!
[09:14] <neighborlee> trey3, no .it doesn't
[09:14] <bretzel> haory is starting :-) ( on my P4)
[09:14] <neighborlee> trey3, check next time your in windows
[09:14] <trey3> neighborlee: in XP it does...
[09:14] <neighborlee> no.it doens't
[09:14] <dud> i just noticed that the 'X...'ish bug with gnome-panel seems to be fixed
[09:14] <dud> wonderful
[09:15] <crimsun> ycco: I don't know of one, but that certainly doesn't exclude the existence of one. :) I've always been the conffile editing type.
[09:15] <ycco> crimsun: ahhh, no worries mate
[09:15] <neighborlee> anyway point is nautilus is slow and needs to go <
[09:15] <Pozac> neighborlee, then go use XP
[09:15] <neighborlee> ha<<..jk but I couldnt resist
[09:15] <Pozac> nautilus is not slow
[09:15] <trey3> neighborlee: it does for me on the XP box in the other room... maybe I changed something and didn't realize though?  :/
[09:15] <neenee> egh
[09:15] <neighborlee> Pozac, thats rather rude of you..and I dont appreciate it
[09:15] <crimsun> neenee: ubuntu's installer should be more straightforward
[09:15] <neighborlee> Pozac, thats a rather l33t attitude and I dont appreciaet it at all!!
[09:15] <Pozac> neighborlee, Am I ruder than you?
[09:16] <neighborlee> yes..terribly
[09:16] <neighborlee> Pozac, learn  some manners dude
[09:16] <trey3> Pozac: yes... because you personalized a statement... he is just talking out of his ass...
[09:16] <randabis-wireles> well found out what's wrong
[09:16] <neenee> crimsun: well, the installer was no problem since i knew it from debian. it's just that i had to mess with universe and such before i could get the packages i wanted
[09:16] <neighborlee> trey3, who is talking out their arse ?
[09:16] <trey3> neighborlee: you are.
[09:17] <neighborlee> trey3, how rude man
[09:17] <neenee> crimsun: as soon as i have X up and running with my settings i have a backup of, i probably won't complain anymore.
[09:17] <neighborlee> trey3, I thought 'ubuntu' was different but I guess NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:17] <crimsun> neenee: they're separated into those repos based on support and licenses
[09:17] <trey3> neighborlee: truth is never rude.
[09:17] <neighborlee> trey3, maybe YOUR truthy
[09:17] <neighborlee> truth
[09:17] <trey3> unwanted sure... but never rude
[09:17] <neighborlee> no..just rude
[09:17] <gangalino> or trey3...
[09:17] <neenee> crimsun: i know. debian probably has the same arrangement
[09:17] <neighborlee> obviously you dont know the difference..prob.some l33t'er
[09:17] <silentcoder> moin
[09:17] <trey3> gangalino: ?  I think I missed the question?
[09:18] <foxfuz> pitti !!!!!!!!!!
[09:18] <pitti> Hi foxfuz
[09:18] <neenee> evening silentcoder
[09:18] <silentcoder> can anybody tell me what ubuntu's default firewall setup is like ? and more specifically (a) is there one ?(b) if so, how can I modify/disable it ?
[09:18] <trey3> neighborlee: why do you keep stating "l33t"? l33t people don't waste ours trying to educate others... they believe others should go RTFM
[09:18] <foxfuz> pitti, do you live in spain ?
[09:18] <neighborlee> rudeness is not a replacement for normal informative discussion...
[09:18] <pitti> silentcoder: we don't have a default firewall
[09:18] <dud> is sempron the amd 64bit cpu?
[09:18] <trey3> s/ours/hours
[09:19] <silentcoder> I'm trying to get my webcam working, took me about 6 weeks to do so
[09:19] <Vaportrail> dud no
[09:19] <gangalino> yeah, sorry, I'm trying to install vmware & it can't find the c header files. check #flood
[09:19] <Cloudchaser> ok i want to report a bug.. so i'm at the search for reported bugs...i searched on "swat" but don't see the issue i'm having
[09:19] <neighborlee> trey3, RTFM is SOOOOOOO RUDEEEEEEE
[09:19] <dud> Vaportrail, whats they called then?
[09:19] <Vaportrail> du sempron is a cut athlon xp with less l2cache
[09:19] <neighborlee> trey3, and I will NOT put up with it in #ubuntu
[09:19] <Cloudchaser> is it safe to report it then?
[09:19] <silentcoder> because the default ubuntu kernels don't work correctly with the ov518 driver
[09:19] <crimsun> gangalino: I already pointed out one issue.
[09:19] <silentcoder> now I have it
[09:19] <silentcoder> I got camsource running
[09:19] <neighborlee> trey3, consider yourself on report
[09:19] <silentcoder> and I can see it
[09:19] <dud> Vaportrail, are they socket A?
[09:19] <Vaportrail> athlon64 or the opteron ones
[09:19] <silentcoder> but anybody from outside is getting blocked for some reason
[09:19] <Vaportrail> dud sempron is socket A
[09:19] <trey3> neighborlee: you should try reading what I said again... thanks
[09:19] <Pozac> neighborlee, Coming to the official Ubuntu help channel and flooding away with how nautilus is SOO much slower than your beloved XP's explorer is NOT nice behavior.
[09:19] <dud> but opteron?
[09:19] <neighborlee> trey3, YOU will not ruin what i've come to appreciate about #ubuntu..NOT AnYTIME SOON ..get over yourself
[09:19] <bretzel> oops: * Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes!! what the heck is that ??? at the step: Configuring base-system ...
[09:19] <Vaportrail> dud but i would prefere athlon xps on socket a
[09:20] <Vaportrail> dud opteron is server 64 bit on eh socket 939 or 940?
[09:20] <silentcoder> apparently java-applets fail too however (I don't have java support) - which is odd cos they ought to be localhost connections
[09:20] <dud> 939 i believe...
[09:20] <ycco> crimsun: yeah... I'm getting packet loss is the problem.
[09:20] <neighborlee> Pozac, I gave opinions that are 'valid'..maybe you 'misunderstood' my opinions then
[09:20] <Vaportrail> dud dunno, server ones didn't interesst me much
[09:20] <ycco> what's some good wireless tools ?
[09:20] <randabis-wireles> gah
[09:20] <neighborlee> Pozac, at least I never told anyone  to RTFM
[09:20] <randabis-wireles> the damned fix didn't fix it
[09:20] <randabis-wireles> GRRRRRRr
[09:20] <neighborlee> Pozac, that is so overly rude I cant believe it
[09:20] <Pozac> neighborlee, why not read the manual?
[09:20] <randabis-wireles> gonna murder nvidia
[09:20] <trey3> neighborlee: I didn't either.
[09:21] <neighborlee> trey3, i'm ignoring you right now..tata~!~!~
[09:21] <Vaportrail> dud opteron -> socket 940 (not 939)
[09:21] <trey3> neighborlee: I said l33t people do that... whereas I have wasted nearly an hour trying to educate you a little.
[09:21] <silentcoder> pitti, could you perhaps test this URL for me ? http://196.37.192.139 :9192/multipart-large
[09:21] <dud> Vaportrail, thanks, ill have to look into it a bit more i suppose
[09:21] <Vaportrail> dud normal athlon64 are 939
[09:21] <silentcoder> just to make sure it's not just my gf's box that's wonky
[09:21] <Vaportrail> no prob
[09:22] <Vaportrail> dud so eh, sempron are athlon xp -> bartons with 256 kb L2cache (bartons got 512kb)
[09:22] <trey3> Pozac: good questions require the reading of a manual... but it doesn't really help someone to state that they should do so...
[09:22] <Vaportrail> just wanted to add
[09:22] <dud> them integrated 3in1 lan/vga/sound motherboards have good linux support dont they?
[09:23] <gangalino> thx crimsun. it's still erroring though
[09:23] <crimsun> gangalino: on what?
[09:23] <dud> this vc97 intel bridge im using now is supported at least
[09:23] <ycco> wlanctl-ng  command not found.
[09:23] <trey3> Pozac: its better as a whole to just ignore those that doesn't ask educated questions rather than send them to read... because they won't anyways...
[09:23] <crimsun> ycco: hmm, packet loss? for what?
[09:23] <ycco> I did:  apt-cache search wlanctl
[09:23] <ycco> and didn't find anything
[09:23] <Vaportrail> no idea
[09:23] <dud> i guess most mobo's from the larger brands are linux supported
[09:23] <ycco> crimsun: packetloss for the wireless network card I've been trying to get working right.
[09:23] <ycco> heh
[09:23] <gangalino> crimsun: check #flood again
[09:24] <dud> msi/fic/asus/etc
[09:24] <Vaportrail> dud even asrock is
[09:24] <pitti> foxfuz: no, germany
[09:24] <pitti> silentcoder: we don't have any open ports, so we don't need a fw
[09:24] <Pozac> asrock = asus
[09:24] <foxfuz> oh ok!
[09:24] <dud> im considering getting epox, really like that brand
[09:24] <Vaportrail> jup, but the cheap line
[09:25] <dud> or possibly msi
[09:25] <Vaportrail> i meant asrock :) not epox
[09:25] <dud> dunno yet
[09:25] <dud> i figured heh
[09:25] <Vaportrail> got better experiences with msi then epox
[09:25] <dud> abit has been good in the past
[09:25] <dud> very stable...
[09:25] <Vaportrail> and good features i think
[09:26] <dud> thing is, id need a micro-atx motherboard
[09:26] <ycco> anyone know how to find out what package something like wlanctl-ng would be in?
[09:26] <dud> dont know how many 64bit amd there is...
[09:26] <Vaportrail> hmm
[09:26] <dud> ycco, try apt-cache search <whatever>
[09:26] <Vaportrail> which socket?
[09:26] <ycco> dud: tried that
[09:26] <Pozac> ycco, linux-wlan-ng
[09:26] <ycco> dud: trying to use airsnort
[09:26] <ycco> Pozac: ahhh ok
[09:26] <dud> havent decided exactly
[09:26] <Vaportrail> 4 example?
[09:26] <ycco> Pozac: you'd think that would be a dep of airsnort
[09:27] <Pozac> ycco, Searched for wlan from synaptic
[09:27] <Pozac> ycco, it's for prism2 cards?
[09:27] <Pozac> I'm using an atheros card
[09:27] <gangalino> crimsun: THX
[09:27] <ycco> Pozac: okies tx bud.
[09:28] <Pozac> ycco, if you right click airsnort in synaptic, you can see it suggests linux-wlan-ng :)
[09:28] <Pozac> np
[09:29] <ycco> k....
[09:29] <ycco> I have the Lucent Tech card
[09:29] <Pozac> dud, check out the MSI RS480M2
[09:30] <Pozac> trey3, No synaptic = No Pozac
[09:30] <ycco> keep getting, "could not set monitor mode"
[09:30] <ycco> :/
[09:30] <trey3> ycco: googling that shows a lot of entries for winmodems... please tell me its not a winmodem?  :(
[09:31] <trey3> Pozac: hah... I'm too used to apt-get and apt-cache  :)
[09:31] <ycco> trey3: me?
[09:31] <ycco> trey3: mine is a wireless card
[09:31] <ycco> heh
[09:31] <trey3> Pozac: Debian user for 3 years... never occured to me to try synaptic/aptitude etc
[09:32] <trey3> ycco: googled "lucent tech linux".... nm me  :)
[09:32] <Pozac> trey3, hmm
[09:32] <punkrockguy318> how can I install the nvidia driver from nvidia.com?
[09:32] <trey3> ycco: what does lspci say about your nic? would be a lot more useful  :)
[09:32] <Pozac> There's a lot to learn from it.
[09:32] <punkrockguy318> brb
[09:33] <trey3> punkrockguy318: apt-get install nvidia-glx  :)
[09:33] <Cloudchaser> how do i find which repo a package is in when i try to install it and get an error?
[09:33] <dud> Pozac, thanks, will do :)
[09:33] <Stew2> I want to switch my PCI card out with an AGP card. What are the steps in warty+backports?
[09:33] <ycco> trey3: wireless doesn't show up in lspci
[09:33] <trey3> Cloudchaser: apt-cache show pkg | grep Section
[09:33] <Pozac> dud, edbpriser.dk's only suggestion for microatx s939 :)
[09:34] <Cloudchaser> oh thank you trey3! :)
[09:35] <Cloudchaser> ok so a pkg in univers that has a problem doesn't get reported to ubuntu
[09:35] <Cloudchaser> it gets reported to debian sid
[09:35] <Stew2> Can anyone point me to a howto on changing a video card in Ubuntu?
[09:35] <trey3> Cloudchaser: well... its the Ubuntu build... so I'm not sure how much Debian folks would care?
[09:35] <Pozac> Stew2, Its not hard. What card is it?
[09:36] <Cloudchaser> well thats what it says in the ubuntu bug reporting page
[09:36] <Pozac> ati or nvidia?
[09:36] <Cloudchaser> Please note: packages which are found in the 'universe' repository are not supported here.
[09:36] <trey3> Cloudchaser: oh... then ignore me  ;)
[09:37] <trey3> Cloudchaser: not supported and supported by debian are not the same  ;)
[09:37] <Cloudchaser> it goes on to say to report issues to debian ;)
[09:37] <Stew2> pozac it's a pci card now, i have a 16 meg agp card to install
[09:37] <Cloudchaser> so i'll search the bugs there
[09:37] <trey3> Debian folks are kinda anal retentive about supporting packages for derivatives  :/
[09:38] <Cloudchaser> i'm new to any debian
[09:38] <Stew2> Is there a basic howto on changing a video card out on an ubuntu box?
[09:38] <Pozac> Stew2, it involves changing the 'driver' part of the Device section in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:39] <neighborlee> trey3, your comment sure sounded like I should go RTFM ..if I was wrong I appologise but I truly thought from the comment ( one danger of IRC) that you were..anyway peace bro
[09:39] <Stew2> pozac can I run a video config program for X from a terminal or GNOME and tell it Vesa? then switch the card out?
[09:39] <ycco> neighborlee: good show
[09:39] <Stew2> pozac I don't know what kind of card i'm installing. Is there an autodetect?
[09:40] <trey3> Stew2: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is about your best option  (replace xorg with xfree86 if warty)
[09:40] <Pozac> Stew2, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:40] <Stew2> trey3 I run that with X shut down?
[09:40] <Pozac> then you can choose vesa from the list
[09:41] <Pozac> not needed
[09:41] <trey3> Stew2: what I just said will ask you whether you want it to try autodetect
[09:41] <Pozac> it will pick it up when X is restarted
[09:41] <trey3> Stew2: doesn't really matter... just need to restart to take effect...
[09:41] <Stew2> Trey3 Pozac I also want to know how you're running xorg. I understand that's in Hoary. How do I update from warty to hoary? I already installed the backports.
[09:41] <trey3> Pozac: ahh... I'll never truely get used to sudo  :(
[09:42] <Pozac> Stew2, hoary is unstable
[09:42] <trey3> Stew2: if you don't know, you're not ready to  :)
[09:42] <Pozac> yeah
[09:42] <Stew2> trey3 I've followed the information in the ubuntu wiki. It talks about changing from sarge to hoary.
[09:42] <Ensiferum> in SATA system, am i supposed to use the CD-ROMS over SCSI/SATA drivers (they are connected in IDE channel), or over IDE drivers?
[09:43] <Stew2> trey3 pozac this isn't a critical system. I was annoyed that I had to install extra stuff (backports) just to get firefox to 1.0.x
[09:43] <Cube-ness> man..
[09:43] <Pozac> Stew2, ok, just switch 'warty' with 'hoary' in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:43] <Pozac> and apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[09:43] <Pozac> +/- sudo
[09:43] <Cube-ness> kernel 2.6.8 was that last one that works.. .9 and .10 both panic at boot during hotplug init
[09:44] <Stew2> pozac And wait hours over a 256k dsl connection, I bet?
[09:44] <Cube-ness> Kernel Panic - Not syncing: Attempted to kill the idle task! <1>Oops: 0003 [#4] 
[09:44] <Cube-ness> what the heck is that!?
[09:44] <trey3> Stew2: just for kicks... cat /etc/issue
[09:44] <Cloudchaser> wow reading debian's bug faq...makes me afraid to report a bug :)
[09:45] <Pozac> Stew2, at least
[09:45] <trey3> Stew2: if that states 5.04, you are running hoary..
[09:45] <trey3> Stew2: cuz you just stated a guide told you how to switch from sarge to hoary, and you followed it...
[09:45] <Stew2> trey3 pozac It says warty. I've only installed the backports sofar. So Firefox is at least up to 1.x
[09:45] <randabis-wireles> grr
[09:46] <trey3> Stew2: ahh... ok...
[09:46] <Pozac> randabis-wireles, no luck?
[09:46] <Pozac> randabis-wireles, are you still trying for 2.6.10 ? :)
[09:47] <Stew2> trey3 I read it. I followed it with my eyes. It was a little confusing. Just cause you'all say I shouldn't switch to hoary yet... I've got to tell you, installing warty was no fun. For some reason, the fonts for X were never installed (default installation). So X wouldn't start. I had never troubleshooted X under warty/ubuntu/debian before.
[09:47] <Cloudchaser> hmm it *might* be an ubuntu problem...
[09:47] <trey3> randabis-wireles: you know... there are reasons 2.6.10 isn't already in the archive... I'm betting what you're experiencing is one such reason  ;)
[09:47] <Pozac> Stew2, download todays hoary iso and start over then :)
[09:47] <Cloudchaser> if i post the error in #flood could someone look at it?
[09:48] <dud> hmm, seems my isp loves me today
[09:48] <trey3> Cloudchaser: sure
[09:48] <Stew2> pozac would if I had some cd's and a burner. The one dude in the office with both is a little irritating. avoiding conversation.
[09:48] <dud> uploading at 80kB/s on a 256kbs upload subscription
[09:48] <Stew2> dud nice.
[09:48] <Cloudchaser> thanks ;)
[09:50] <Vaportrail> mhm
[09:51] <dud> it would be nice if xine/mplayer/etc stopped rendering video when playing movies, if you minimized it
[09:51] <dud> its not like you see anything then
[09:51] <dud> just rendering audio...
[09:51] <Pozac> dud, good point
[09:51] <Tyche> What CMS do people use here? I am liking Drupal.
[09:51] <Pozac> dud, totem too
[09:52] <trey3> Pozac: Totem = Xine
[09:52] <trey3> or gstreamer depending on build
[09:52] <Pozac> I know
[09:52] <Vaportrail> cya next time guys, I gotta go
[09:52] <dud> yeah, all movie players should have that feature
[09:52] <Pozac> but totem gets the minimize signal
[09:53] <dud> Tyche, write your own ;)
[09:53] <Ensiferum> is there info on kernel modules somewhere?
[09:53] <dud> ive written my own in the past, i think ive lost it though
[09:54] <dud> prolly lost the code in a format long time ago
[09:54] <dud> Pozac, totem stops rendering video when minimized?
[09:54] <Pozac> no
[09:54] <Pozac> but it should
[09:55] <dud> ah, ok
[09:55] <dud> yeah hehe
[09:55] <Pozac> totem tries to everything right
[09:56] <Cloudchaser> ok back here then
[09:56] <Cloudchaser> hmm warty-updates
[09:56] <Cloudchaser> do i have to do something special to get those?
[09:56] <Pozac> add it to /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:57] <trey3> Cloudchaser: yeah... add the line (simular to the main restricted line, but with warty-updates instead of warty alone)
[09:57] <LinuxShaman> can anyone help with this, I've had to reinstall XP but it's overwritten grub, how can I get linux back?
[09:58] <trey3> LinuxShaman: you create a boot disc?
[09:58] <LinuxShaman> no
[09:58] <client3> hi hi
[09:58] <Pozac> LinuxShaman, do you have the live cd?
[09:59] <trey3> LinuxShaman: I think there is a 'rescue' option in the installer... on the first screen type f3 (I think) to see what it is exactly...
[09:59] <ZzeCoOl> LinuxShaman: hahahha great nick for your situation
[09:59] <LinuxShaman> yeah, i've got both live and install
[09:59] <Cloudchaser>  use this for the URI? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ with warty-updates as the distribution?
[10:00] <Cloudchaser> and main restricted as the section?
[10:00] <bretzel> hoary current week messed up...
[10:00] <trey3> Cloudchaser: yes... so 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-updates main restricted'
[10:01] <Cloudchaser> thanks very much :) maybe its already been fixed
[10:01] <Cloudchaser> hahaha MS is selling their own virus cleaner ;)
[10:01] <Cloudchaser> sounds like a conflict of interest to me ;)
[10:02] <trey3> Cloudchaser: wrong place to say that if you want people to care  ;)
[10:02] <Cloudchaser> nah i don't want people to care
[10:02] <Cloudchaser> i just saw it on the news and thought it was funny
[10:02] <ZzeCoOl> is there any untivirus ...that can remove "windows"
[10:02] <trey3> k good  :)
[10:02] <ZzeCoOl> ixixiixix
[10:02] <trey3> ZzeCoOl: yup... its called "Mr Clean"  :)
[10:03] <ZzeCoOl> hehe
[10:03] <Cloudchaser> i use windows only when i absolutely have to for some apps i can't get on linux, and those aren't daily apps
[10:03] <ZzeCoOl> me too
[10:04] <Cloudchaser> and i hate having to do that
[10:04] <trey3> Cloudchaser: tried Wine? I hear its getting pretty complete for anything other than games
[10:04] <Cloudchaser> yah its some mapping apps that don't work
[10:04] <Cloudchaser> garmin's mapsource
[10:04] <trey3> Well.. anything that doesn't use DirectX I should say...
[10:05] <ZzeCoOl> for directX there is cedega
[10:05] <Cloudchaser> i'll try it to see if i can at least get the maps, but i read some parts of it don't work like getting waypoints to the gps
[10:05] <LinuxShaman> not having much luck with the live cd, ideas?
[10:05] <Cloudchaser> and there are also some specialized apps that have no linux equivalents so far
[10:05] <Cloudchaser> i tried wine for them but no go
[10:06] <Cloudchaser> but if i can get the maps with waypoints to work in wine and can print the maps i can find something else to get the waypoints to the gps
[10:06] <bretzel> I need to get back to the ubuntu hoary DVD iso images I can;t remember where
[10:07] <LinuxShaman> can anyone help with this, I've had to reinstall XP but it's overwritten grub, how can I get linux back?
[10:07] <bretzel> Plase ---- I need to get back to the ubuntu hoary DVD iso images I can;t remember where
[10:07] <Cloudchaser> LinuxShaman, i read you can restore grup with the live cd
[10:07] <LinuxShaman> how?
[10:07] <Cloudchaser> grub that is
[10:08] <Cloudchaser> sec i think htere's a how-to
[10:08] <LinuxShaman> I've looked but can't find it. Do you have an URL for it?
[10:08] <trey3> LinuxShaman: install-grub /dev/hda from within livecd
[10:10] <trey3> LinuxShaman: uhh... make that 'grub-install /dev/hda' sorry
[10:10] <LinuxShaman> install-grub /dev/hda = command not found
[10:11] <bretzel> Please ---- I need to get back to the ubuntu hoary DVD iso images site  - I can't remember where
[10:11] <trey3> LinuxShaman: ^
[10:13] <bretzel> bah downloading livecd - so I will restore screwed  mbr boot chains :-)
[10:14] <trey3> bretzel: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/weekly-dvd/
[10:15] <LinuxShaman> it reports could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device
[10:15] <HauntedUnix> Er - how do I install the kernel-source in Ubuntu? :)
[10:15] <randabis-wireles> grr
[10:15] <Pozac> HauntedUnix, linux-source :)
[10:16] <Ensiferum> linux-sauce
[10:16] <sensebend> what's the advantage to a dvd install of hoary?
[10:16] <trey3> haha @ linux-sauce
[10:16] <trey3> sensebend: no idea... but thats what he asked for  :/
[10:16] <Pozac> sensebend, the same as a dvd has over cd
[10:17] <trey3> Pozac: cept that ubuntu is one cd anyways  ;)
[10:17] <Pozac> yeah well
[10:17] <Pozac> you can't get it all for free now
[10:17] <Pozac> hehe :)
[10:18] <sensebend> and the hoary dvd iso is huge 1.7GB
[10:18] <HauntedUnix> Pozac: Sorry? :)
[10:18] <trey3> sensebend: still not a full DVD   :/
[10:18] <Pozac> HauntedUnix, sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1
[10:19] <HauntedUnix> Package linux-source-2.6.8.1 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:19] <HauntedUnix> This may mean that the package is missing, or has been obseleted, or is only available from another source.
[10:19] <trey3> Pozac: regex is your friend... sudo apt-get install linux-source-'uname -r' is safer to recommend than what you said...
[10:19] <HauntedUnix> trey3: That just plain doesn't work.
[10:19] <Pozac> thats not a regular expression, trey3
[10:20] <randabis-wireles> yay
[10:20] <HauntedUnix> and it'd be `uname -r`, no?
[10:20] <randabis-wireles> fixed the nforce drivers
[10:20] <Pozac> yeh
[10:20] <HauntedUnix> anyway, Pozac  - that's what's returned.
[10:20] <Pozac> randabis-wireles, congrats :)
[10:20] <ZzeCoOl> and i have fixed the new ATi drivers
[10:20] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[10:20] <LinuxShaman> not having any luck with the grub-install command, ideas?
[10:21] <randabis-wireles> it was some script errors that broke it for 2.6.10
[10:21] <Pozac> HauntedUnix, I figured you ran warty release :) Try searching for linux-source in synaptic
[10:21] <trey3> HauntedUnix: works better than linux-source-2.6.8.1 would for a 2.6.9 or 10 kernel  :/
[10:21] <HauntedUnix> the `uname -r` doesn't work due to the rather elaboratly named kernel-sources
[10:21] <ZzeCoOl> guys lets someone plz help LinuxShaman...
[10:21] <ZzeCoOl> he is trying very hard some hours now
[10:22] <HauntedUnix> Pozac: CD isn't marked with version - the kernel I'm running is the 2.6.8.1-3-386. :) I've never used synaptic, or any deb based distros (exception of DEbian Woody) - I need the kernel-source to get ndiswrapper working,then all will be well :)
[10:22] <NaillL> hi all
[10:22] <Pozac> LinuxShaman, mount your boot partition on /boot
[10:22] <LinuxShaman> how do I do that?
[10:23] <aardvark> ?
[10:23] <Pozac> do you have a boot partition, LinuxShaman ?
[10:23] <trey3> Pozac: thats where I stopped helping... he likely only has /dev/hda1 as / due to default in installer... not sure what that would do to livecd... and dunno how to direct grub-install at another location?
[10:23] <Pozac> ok
[10:23] <Pozac> 2 things
[10:23] <Pozac> mount /dev/hda1 in /mnt/somewhere and copy files to /boot
[10:24] <Pozac> or chroot /mnt/somewhere /bin/bash
[10:24] <Pozac> chroot'ing creates problems with /dev
[10:24] <trey3> Pozac: good idea  :)
[10:24] <neofeed> LOL!
[10:25] <neofeed> okay I guess many of you know MTV's `Pimp my Ride'... now MTV Germany broadcasts: 'Pimp my Bike'
[10:25] <randabis> yay
[10:25] <randabis> brb
[10:26] <NaillL> =)
[10:26] <ZzeCoOl> pimp my bike?
[10:26] <ZzeCoOl> and what they acualy doing?
[10:27] <Pozac> how much can a bike be pimped?
[10:27] <Pozac> pimps dont ride bicycles
[10:27] <ZzeCoOl> take a B.M.X. and turn it into a choper?
[10:27] <ZzeCoOl> davatziliki
[10:27] <ZzeCoOl> haha
[10:28] <ngh> hi there, I just tried ubuntu live and it rocks, congrats, but I installed the iso in my laptop now and everything went fine but wont load the gui because some undetected display modes
[10:28] <ngh> what do I need to edit? the live CD worked fine
[10:28] <trey3> Pozac: thats the noun 'pimp'... ;)
[10:28] <ZzeCoOl> strange i have never made live cd work ...but iso work smoothly :>
[10:28] <nuopus> HauntedUnix: I got it worker easily ... just get the headers
[10:28] <HauntedUnix> nuopus: turns out I don't have gcc installed either 8)
[10:29] <trey3> Pozac: anything good can be said to be 'pimp'
[10:29] <trey3> Pozac: its the hip hop version of 'rocks'  ;)
[10:29] <nuopus> here is what you install
[10:29] <Pozac> trey3, hmm.. if you do root (hd0,0) from grub.. perhaps it picks up the right partition then?
[10:29] <ngh> the live cd loaded great on my laptop
[10:29] <ZzeCoOl> trey3: we are not native speakers :)
[10:29] <nuopus> HauntedUnix: Go into a console and type apt-get install build-essential
[10:29] <ngh> but not the final installation
[10:29] <ZzeCoOl> trey3: thanx for the infos
[10:29] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[10:29] <nuopus> HantedUnix: that will get you the build tools you need
[10:29] <HauntedUnix> nuopus: thanks very much
[10:30] <trey3> Pozac: prior issue was that without /boot mounted... grub-install couldn't find it... said bad block or not found or something...
[10:30] <nuopus> Then .... go into synaptic and search for linux-header
[10:30] <Pozac> trey3, I know. But even hiphoppers find pimps to be the pimpest
[10:30] <xhypno> hello room!
[10:30] <Ensiferum> is there a way to see the config options of the installed kernel? :|
[10:30] <HauntedUnix> nuopus: got it setup now - thanks 8)
[10:30] <ZzeCoOl> hello
[10:30] <ngh> how can I fix this?
[10:30] <trey3> ZzeCoOl: you're welcome  :)
[10:30] <nuopus> install the same header for the linux-image that you are using and it will work
[10:30] <nuopus> ok
[10:31] <trey3> Pozac: I am a "hiphopper"... just sharing our slang a little  :)
[10:31] <nuopus> trey?
[10:31] <nuopus> From Arizona?
[10:31] <randabis> this is kinda annoying
[10:31] <randabis> xchat isn't saving my settings
[10:31] <trey3> nuopus: sup Chris  :)
[10:31] <nuopus> LOL
[10:31] <nuopus> sup
[10:31] <randabis> it is on the wireless box, but not on this one
[10:31] <trey3> nodda... hows break  :)
[10:31] <nuopus> no break at all. Working at the office right now
[10:32] <Pozac> trey3, but they said it in MTV Germany?
[10:32] <trey3> nuopus: ahh... shitty  :(
[10:32] <nuopus> setting up a Linux VPN for Wallstreet group
[10:32] <trey3> nuopus: sounds like fun  :)
[10:32] <nuopus> boring stuff... just watching the kernel compile .. zzzzz
[10:32] <trey3> nuopus: FreeNX?  :)
[10:32] <nuopus> No ... VPN
[10:32] <ngh> the error is something like "ror:not display mode detected" and when it finish loading it tries to load the gui and after that it says it wontload gdm for now unti is fixed
[10:33] <nuopus> OpenSWAN
[10:33] <trey3> Never played with it  :(
[10:33] <randabis> I don't get it :(
[10:33] <strangequark> is there a german ubuntu channel too?
[10:33] <ngh> anyone please?
[10:33] <Pozac> #ubuntu-de perhaps?
[10:33] <nuopus> trey3: Most people would not need it
[10:35] <nuopus> trey3: You should check out the office
[10:35] <trey3> nuopus: where it even at?
[10:35] <nuopus> trey3: The bank of america building on alma school on the 7th floor
[10:36] <ngh> please?
[10:36] <nuopus> I can't believe we got an office in a big building filled with financial people and lawyers. We stand out wearing jeans and t-shirts while everyone else is wearing suits!
[10:36] <niandertal_> can any1 tell me the root default password?
[10:37] <trey3> nuopus: hah... yeah... I couldn't imagine you in a suite  ;)
[10:37] <nuopus> niandertal_: Root is disabled by default
[10:37] <niandertal_> :(
[10:37] <nuopus> niandertal_: You should use sudo for most things
[10:37] <nuopus> niandertal_: But in the instance where you absolutely must have root .... type sudo passwd
[10:37] <niandertal_> how can i use apt-get?
[10:37] <nuopus> and it will ask you for your new root password ... jsut remember to lock it after you are through
[10:38] <trey3> Pozac: bah
[10:38] <Pozac> or keep it
[10:38] <niandertal_> hmm
[10:38] <nuopus> sudo apt-get install *package*
[10:38] <niandertal_> kk
[10:38] <niandertal_> thks a lot
[10:38] <randabis> yessir
[10:38] <randabis> remember you can use synaptic also
[10:38] <nuopus> ya
[10:38] <nuopus> have any of you used Smartpm?
[10:38] <niandertal_> dont like synaptic
[10:39] <nuopus> it successfully lets you use the warty repositories along with the hoary ones
[10:39] <randabis> that's fine, just wasn't sure if you knew
[10:40] <trey3> nuopus: easier than simply pinning?
[10:40] <nuopus> niandertal_: if you use console a lot like I do .... use aptitude
[10:40] <nuopus> trey3: pinning?
[10:40] <niandertal_> I prefer apt-get
[10:40] <niandertal_> lol
[10:41] <niandertal_> well
[10:41] <nuopus> niandertal_: You are difficult. lol
[10:41] <niandertal_> g2g
[10:41] <niandertal_> :)
[10:41] <niandertal_> cya
[10:41] <nuopus> cya
[10:42] <trey3> nuopus: sets priorities on repositories... pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200212/msg006
[10:42] <trey3> 59.html
[10:42] <nuopus> oh that is what you meant
[10:42] <nuopus> ya its easier
[10:43] <HauntedUnix> Sorry if I'm asking FAQ questions, but how can I enable web-sources for apt? 8) (Is there a good FAQ, if it's covered in the topic, you're welcome to slap me)
[10:43] <nuopus> because it lets you assign priorities to repos and individual packages ... so if I want a package from a specific repo it will update from that one since it is higher priority
[10:44] <trey3> nuopus: apt can do that too  ;)
[10:44] <nuopus> hmmmmm didnt know that about apt
[10:44] <trey3> nuopus: most don't look that much into apt  :(
[10:45] <nuopus> but ... I did get brave and tried to get portage working in ubuntu
[10:45] <nuopus> do you know what happened?
[10:45] <trey3> nuopus: hah... how'd that go?  :P
[10:45] <Cloudchaser> hmm i might try out aptitude ;) just googled for it to see what it was
[10:45] <nuopus> I ended up with a gentoo system
[10:45] <nuopus> lol
[10:45] <trey3> Cloudchaser: its already installed...
[10:45] <nuopus> with script errors on boot
[10:45] <nuopus> but it worked
[10:45] <trey3> nuopus: yay  :)
[10:46] <nuopus> LOL I got rid of it
[10:46] <Cloudchaser> ah i usually use apt-get etc...i'll try out the aptitude though
[10:46] <ngh> hi
[10:46] <nuopus> it was on my test machine so I am trying ProMEPIS .... still ubuntu all the way on lap though
[10:46] <trey3> nuopus: been looking at Mepis... nothing that interesting about it though for me...
[10:46] <ngh> this is the exact error it gives: "ror: Temporary failure in name resolution" anyone knows what this means?
[10:47] <nuopus> I just don't like it because it is KDE ... but im not trying it for me
[10:48] <trey3> nuopus: its nice that it includes java/flash/media plugins by default... I don't like the config tools much from what I have seen of them... other then that... yeah... its Debian's KDE...
[10:48] <nuopus> looking for something to suggest for people preferring a kde istro
[10:48] <trey3> With all 400+ bugs (last I checked)
[10:48] <nuopus> but I am gnome all the way
[10:48] <Cloudchaser> interesting
[10:48] <NaillL> kde with prelink is quite fast thing...but for example nautilus caching images while you watching them.....faster
[10:48] <nuopus> well ... except for xfce on another box
[10:49] <trey3> nuopus: I want to try 4.2...
[10:49] <nuopus> trey3: it is very nice
[10:49] <trey3> nuopus: still haven't gotten around to it though  :(
[10:49] <nuopus> that is what I use
[10:50] <ngh> just tell me what file to edit and or how please
[10:50] <nuopus> You want a repo with it?
[10:50] <trey3> ngh: whatst he output of 'echo $DISPLAY ?
[10:51] <trey3> nuopus: sure... can try it next time hoary breaks :P
[10:52] <snow_> how do you excute programs in linux?
[10:52] <snow_> hello anyone here?
[10:52] <Cloudchaser> oh boy snow...
[10:52] <Cloudchaser> well
[10:52] <gorby> lo, i had a second monitor plugged in the other day and i could switch to it with a function key+f4, what is it controlling that?
[10:52] <Cloudchaser> what program?
[10:53] <snow_> xplane
[10:53] <Cloudchaser> at command line try typing "xplane"?
[10:53] <HauntedUnix> So - any good faqs on setting up web-sources for apt? 8)
[10:53] <izaac> how can i burn a .mdf image?
[10:53] <gsuveg> in hoary use patched xorg ?
[10:53] <snow_> well I know what hte file is called, but it doesn't do anything when I type it
[10:53] <nuopus> deb http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main
[10:53] <nuopus> deb-src http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main
[10:53] <trey3> izaac: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --data blah.mdf
[10:53] <nuopus> trey3: Add those
[10:54] <nuopus> well ... not the deb-src since I know how you re so much against compiling! :-)
[10:54] <izaac> trey3: it is a supported format in cdrecord?
[10:54] <trey3> izaac: --data denotes raw burn... doesn't matter format...
[10:54] <gorby> izaac: it could be anything really, is it < 800 mb?
[10:54] <ngh> I do echo $DISPLAY but nothing happens ??
[10:54] <Cloudchaser> snow did you just install it?
[10:54] <nuopus> ngh: It shoudl have said :0.0 or something
[10:54] <erik_il_rosso> hello to all
[10:54] <nite_fly_work> wake makes ubuntu soo great
[10:54] <izaac> gorby: it is an DVD image
[10:55] <snow_> it just says 'bash: X-Plane-803-athlon-xp: command not found'
[10:55] <snow_> well I untared it, isn't that the same thing?
[10:55] <izaac> trey3: thank you
[10:55] <nuopus> nite_fly_work: Released every 6 months ... and the only distro that updages GNOME so fast
[10:55] <Cloudchaser> not necessarily you may have to compile it and whatnot
[10:55] <snow_> oh great, how do I do that?
[10:55] <Cloudchaser> where you uncompressed it
[10:55] <Cloudchaser> is there now a directory of the smae name?
[10:56] <snow_> yes
[10:56] <Cloudchaser> where'd you get it from?
[10:56] <nuopus> nite_fly_work: If you like gnome ... then you will like ubuntu. When 2.10 comes out we will be the first to use it ... well .. short of people compiling it from source
[10:56] <snow_> x-plane website
[10:56] <Cloudchaser> url?
[10:56] <gio1322328_> hello
[10:56] <gio1322328_> all
[10:56] <Cloudchaser> also cd to the dir it made
[10:56] <snow_> www.xplane.com I belive
[10:57] <snow_> sorry www.x-plane.com
[10:57] <gorby> do i have to use the ati binaries to get the svideo out working on my laptop?
[10:57] <gio1322328_> is the ubuntu linux a complete distribution ?
[10:57] <Cloudchaser> see if there are things like "configure" and makefile and such
[10:57] <strangequark> question: i have yet installed ubuntu 4.10 - How can i make a Link on my desktop to a directory?
[10:57] <Cloudchaser> also see if there's a README
[10:57] <nite_fly_work> what platform is it based off of ?
[10:57] <snow_> yeah there's a readme
[10:58] <Cloudchaser> ok "cat README | more
[10:58] <snow_> ok, so cd donesn't mean a physical cd?
[10:58] <Cloudchaser> should tell you how to install it
[10:58] <nuopus> nite_fly_work: It is based on debian
[10:58] <nite_fly_work> does apt-get work ?
[10:58] <nite_fly_work> and apt-cache
[10:58] <Cloudchaser> if you haven't complied anything so far you may need to install the files to compiles
[10:58] <nuopus> nite_fly_work: of course .. it is based on debian
[10:58] <trey3> strangequark: ln -s thefolder ~/.Desktop
[10:58] <nite_fly_work> soo what makes it better then debian gnome ?
[10:59] <nite_fly_work> more user friendly >?
[10:59] <trey3> strangequark: ln -s thefolder ~/.Desktop/ *
[10:59] <nuopus> nite_fly_work: Because debian gnome is so damn old
[10:59] <nuopus> nite_fly_work: errr .. outdated
[10:59] <Cloudchaser> snow i'm not sure what they're called but someone here can tell you i'm sure
[10:59] <strangequark> how can i make a link on my desktop to a directory
[10:59] <snow_> it says cd into the dirctory where it's installed and then run the binary corresponding to your architecture
[10:59] <nuopus> nite_fly_work: they will get gnome 2.10 packages months after ubuntu release
[10:59] <Cloudchaser> brb someone at the door
[10:59] <trey3> nuopus: bah... 2.8 was uploaded to sid a while ago... 2.9 is in experimental I think...
[10:59] <nuopus> trey3: a few months after it was released
[11:00] <gio1322328_> can someone tell me if ubuntu is only 1 cd ?
[11:00] <crash3m> HauntedUnix: ask here :P
[11:00] <nite_fly_work> ill be back later gotta leave work :)
[11:00] <trey3> nuopus: 12 archs to support takes a while  :(
[11:00] <nite_fly_work> nuopus, nice meeting yeah
[11:00] <trey3> gio1322328_: yes
[11:00] <nuopus> trey3: and they make their own modifications to gnome. for example they moved all icons to menus on the panel ... along with trash
[11:00] <nuopus> errr ... that was actually directed at nite_fly_work
[11:00] <nuopus> lol
[11:00] <gio1322328_> why other linux have 4 or more cd?
[11:01] <trey3> nuopus: those are the *true* differences  :)
[11:01] <strangequark> how can i make a link to a directory on my desktop?
[11:01] <erik_il_rosso> some ppc user?
[11:01] <nite_fly_work> nuopus, got it :P
[11:01] <HauntedUnix> I'm wondering if you _can_ setup web-apt sources.. ooer
[11:01] <nite_fly_work> take it easy bbl
[11:01] <gio1322328_> ciao erik
[11:01] <nuopus> gio1322328_: because instead of having you download packages .... they give them to you on the CDs
[11:01] <Frossi> I was wondering that can I remove some applications from the taskbar, like xmms, so it would be open but that it wouldn't be in the taskbar. I hope u know what I mean.
[11:01] <erik_il_rosso> i have installed ubuntu on my ibook but i have trouble with java
[11:02] <nuopus> trey3: Especially with an environment I like ... I don't want to wait for the RELEASE of it 5 months down the road.
[11:02] <nuopus> trey3: I would MUCH rather use garnome and compile on my own
[11:02] <trey3> nuopus: jhbuild > garnome  :P
[11:03] <nuopus> but that is why I like ubuntu ... they release to coincide with the gnome release and I dont have to compile or wait for debian to send the package down the archs
[11:03] <trey3> nuopus: but still :)
[11:03] <snow_> what does the command "./" mean?
[11:03] <gio1322328_> well...i m trying to install ubuntu on my laptop
[11:03] <nuopus> snow_: It says to look in the current directory
[11:03] <trey3> snow_: it points to current dir
[11:03] <mistic> erik_il_rosso: what problem?
[11:04] <snow_> it says illegal command when I do that
[11:04] <nuopus> dont do ./ by itself
[11:04] <nuopus> wait
[11:04] <nuopus> make sure you are in the dir with the executable
[11:04] <snow_> ./X-Plane-803-athlon-xp  doesn't work
[11:04] <nuopus> are you trying to run x-plane?
[11:04] <blackbirdXXX> Hello. I have a little problem
[11:04] <snow_> yes
[11:04] <erik_il_rosso> i don't find java for linux ppc
[11:05] <trey3> snow_: just for kicks... in the xplane dir... do ls | grep configure and tell me if it returns anything...
[11:05] <nuopus> snow_ have you unpacked it yet?
[11:05] <blackbirdXXX> My soundcard doesn't work since a new compile of freetype2
[11:05] <nuopus> trey3: It is binary
[11:05] <nuopus> trey3: It is a software demo
[11:05] <mistic> erik_il_rosso: wait a sec, i'm gonna boot my ibook in ubuntu to check how i fixed it :-)
[11:05] <snow_> that didn't do anything
[11:05] <mistic> brb
[11:05] <snow_> yes I've untared it
[11:06] <nuopus> then CD to the directory that was created
[11:06] <erik_il_rosso> ok thanks
[11:06] <blackbirdXXX> No one can help me?
[11:06] <nuopus> should be like XLIN803 right?
[11:06] <snow_> i'm in that directory, it's called games/X-System-803
[11:06] <trey3> blackbirdXXX: that makes no sense... freetype2 relates to fonts...
[11:06] <nuopus> do you see the executable?
[11:06] <blackbirdXXX> I know.
[11:06] <snow_> they are green right?
[11:06] <nuopus> if the executable file is called xplane ....
[11:07] <nuopus> ya
[11:07] <nuopus> is there a green xplane?
[11:07] <blackbirdXXX> But after the reboot the sound was off
[11:07] <snow_> yes, there are several
[11:07] <nuopus> well ... just xplane
[11:07] <nuopus> then just type ./xplane
[11:07] <nuopus> or whatever the filename is
[11:07] <snow_> yes and it returns illegal command
[11:08] <nuopus> snow_: remember linux is case sensitive. If the X is capital you must type ./Xplane
[11:08] <dud> arg, this slow dvd burning is annoying :(
[11:08] <gio1322328_> wow it lives...:D
[11:09] <blackbirdXXX> Ok. thx
[11:09] <nuopus> dud: were you expecting faster?
[11:09] <dud> i have a frikkin brand new benq 16x dvd burner, and its giving me 1,6x hehe
[11:09] <NaillL> K3b is the best prog for burning
[11:09] <zAo^> ;-)
[11:09] <dud> using k3b
[11:09] <snow_> yes I've typed it exsactly as it's writen
[11:09] <nuopus> it sucks for some dvd burners
[11:09] <trey3> dud: hah... default speed is 4 or something... 'speed=*blah*' would have sped it up  :P
[11:09] <dud> but even just pure command line growisofs gives the same speed
[11:09] <nuopus> dud: There is a bug with some dvd burners in k3b .... and it default to 1x
[11:09] <zAo^> Who tried to copy MP3 files to hier Sony NW-E 95/99 ??
[11:10] <nuopus> that is why I stopped using it ....
[11:10] <dud> nuopus, its like that in growisofs as well
[11:10] <mistic> erik_il_rosso: it'll take some time, fell asleep next to it yesterday and now it has some problems with the HD
[11:10] <dud> been hearing in #k3b that ubuntu can be slow on dvd burning for some unknown reason
[11:10] <nuopus> dud: I use xcdroast now perfectly ... and it burns fast
[11:10] <HauntedUnix> Anyone know what package smbmount is in? I thought it was in 'smbfs', but I get "Package smbfs is not available, but is referred to by another package.".
[11:10] <Cloudchaser> snow_, what does the readme tell you?
[11:10] <nuopus> dud: It was slow like that in Gentoo also ... it is not an ubuntu problem
[11:10] <snow_> RUNNING X-SYSTEM **************************************************************
[11:10] <snow_> The X-System apps are very easy to get running. cd into the directory in which
[11:10] <snow_> X-System is stored, and then run the binary corresponding to your architecture.
[11:10] <snow_> For example, if you are on an Athlon XP machine:
[11:10] <nuopus> it is an "k3b sucks for burning on some dvds" problem. lol
[11:11] <snow_> $ cd x-system/
[11:11] <snow_> $ ./X-Plane-803-athlon-xp
[11:11] <snow_> IMPORTANT: X-System will NOT run outside of its directory.
[11:11] <zAo^> dud, I use k3b on Debian Sarge with my NEC 2500A; it burns perfectly.
[11:11] <Cloudchaser>  $ ./X-Plane-803-athlon-xp
[11:11] <Cloudchaser> thats what you need to do then
[11:11] <dud> ill give xcdroast a try
[11:11] <Cloudchaser> cd to x-system
[11:11] <nuopus> I said "some"
[11:11] <dud> but can it burn dvd-data and dvd-video?
[11:11] <nuopus> it burns berfectly on my test system
[11:11] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, I dont recommend aptitutde for anything..synaptic hasn't let me down yet and its the 'easy' route for everyone else ...aptitude doesnt even have a gui faik so its out of my use category <G>
[11:11] <trey3> HauntedUnix: smbclient
[11:11] <nuopus> there is a bug for the slow dvd burning in k3b in bugzilla
[11:11] <zAo^> yes you can dud
[11:11] <Cloudchaser> and run that command as it says to do..you have athlon?
[11:12] <snow_> yes, and it returns'illegal command'
[11:12] <HauntedUnix> trey3: got that, don't have 'smbmount' though
[11:12] <shmoolik> can i overwirte a symbolic link and if i can what do i need to add to this command ... sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java /usr/bin/java
[11:12] <snow_> i have an AMD 1.4ghz
[11:12] <gorby> can you get special modules for ati mobility chips?
[11:12] <zAo^> almost forgot that: this is the 'sudo'-channel :P
[11:13] <nuopus> dud: yes
[11:13] <nuopus> dud: can do data
[11:13] <Cloudchaser> snow can you make sure that file is executable?
[11:13] <zAo^> gorby, as far as I know; there is one module: fglrx; the crap one..
[11:13] <dud> hmm, ok
[11:13] <nuopus> video I never tried
[11:13] <snow_> how do I make sure, it's green
[11:13] <Cloudchaser> do ls -al in the dir where the command is
[11:13] <nuopus> dud: it is just different than using other burning software.
[11:13] <shmoolik> Cloudchaser, thanks
[11:13] <snow_> -al returns command not found
[11:14] <Cloudchaser> ls -al?
[11:14] <snow_> oh hang on
[11:14] <Cloudchaser> shmoolik, thanks for what?
[11:14] <snow_> ok there's along list of stuff
[11:14] <dud> but what i dont understand, if its a k3b bug, how come the exact same thing happens when i use only growisofs?
[11:14] <dud> how can it be a k3b bug then?
[11:15] <nuopus> dud: maybe its a growfs bug
[11:15] <shmoolik> Cloudchaser,   nothingy ... =\
[11:15] <dud> but xcdroast uses growisofs too dont it?
[11:15] <Cloudchaser> look for: X-Plane-803-athlon-xp
[11:15] <zAo^> I had some familiar probs on Sarge; I installed an older version of growfs, now my probs are solved
[11:15] <mistic> erik_il_rosso: i used the j2re-1_4_2_05-linux-i586.bin installer and that works here
[11:15] <nuopus> dud: no
[11:15] <dud> oh, i see
[11:16] <zAo^> mistic, you got an URL?
[11:16] <nuopus> dud: it uses prodvd
[11:16] <snow_> ok i see it
[11:16] <trey3> shmoolik: no, you can't overwrite symlinks... must remove and re-link...
[11:16] <mistic> zAo^: i got that from a tutorial on the forums
[11:16] <ogra> trey3: mv is your friend ;)
[11:17] <Cloudchaser> snow you have to cd to the dir that matches your architecture
[11:17] <mistic> so if you just follow that one, only thing that doesn't really work is the mplayer thing, as soon as my exams are over i'll figure that one out
[11:17] <trey3> ogra: ahh... whats up  :)   heh... in the case of Java though, no need to keep the old one  :)
[11:17] <neighborlee> Cloudchaser, I need to try xplane ..sounds fun
[11:17] <mistic> its named 'tweaking your fresh ubuntu' or something like that
[11:17] <ogra> trey3: true... i just stepped in....
[11:17] <Cloudchaser> then run the command just like this: ./X-Plane-803-athlon-xp         if you have an athlon
[11:18] <ZzeCoOl> hey when i start wine my monitor turn blanc and i have to restart my pc??? is there anything i can do to fix that?
[11:18] <Cloudchaser> you have to be in the dir to run the command
[11:18] <ZzeCoOl> ogra: :)
[11:18] <mistic> ZzeCoOl: don't start wine :)
[11:18] <zAo^> ZzeCoOl, at least you can restart X ;-)
[11:18] <zAo^> tried cedega?
[11:18] <ZzeCoOl> wow
[11:18] <zAo^> ? :)
[11:19] <ZzeCoOl> yes but getright doesnt working with cedega
[11:19] <ZzeCoOl> so i have to remove wine though?
[11:20] <ZzeCoOl> i want something like getright for linux or a way to emulated getright in linux
[11:20] <ZzeCoOl> i prefere the second
[11:20] <ZzeCoOl> thats way i tryied wine
[11:20] <dud> ZzeCoOl, aria is like getright
[11:21] <dud> only much better ;
[11:21] <dud> ;)
[11:21] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[11:21] <ZzeCoOl> are u sure?
[11:21] <ZzeCoOl> im going to test it right now
[11:21] <ZzeCoOl> ?:>
[11:22] <mistic> ZzeCoOl: most of the time the linux-counterparts of applications involving internet/network are a lot better then the windows-versions because linux is just so f*cking great at networking
[11:23] <trey3> dud: tried prozilla?
[11:24] <ben_d> ZzeCoOl: try d4l Download for Linux
[11:24] <trey3> or aget... nice... but cli  :/
[11:25] <ZzeCoOl> listen this one.... there are 2 pc in my network ....when i copy paste from mounted samba partitions i only get 900 kb/sec (it is a wireless lan) but when i set up an ftp server in the windows machine and take the file using linux and firefox i get 1.9 mb/sec.... where is the problem ...is there something that i can setup in samba?
[11:25] <kezz> could just be that smb sux
[11:26] <ZzeCoOl> maybe
[11:26] <falc> where do I need to put an .Xdefaults file with emacs customizations?
[11:26] <ZzeCoOl> smb my ass after all
[11:26] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[11:29] <falc> anybody? I'm only asking because everfy website I find tells me to put it in ~ but that doesn't work
[11:29] <zAo^> fabbione, I think in ~
[11:29] <erik_il_rosso> anyone have a ppc linux ubuntu system?
[11:29] <kezz> erik_il_rosso, yes
[11:29] <zAo^> falc, ~ is you homedir egg /home/zao
[11:30] <Cloudchaser> ZzeCoOl, not sure if this will help you or not but i saw this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9792&highlight=samba
[11:30] <erik_il_rosso> i have some trouble, i don't find a java vm for my system
[11:31] <zAo^> http://www4.vc-net.ne.jp/~klivo/sim/javalinux.htm
[11:31] <trey3> erik_il_rosso: you installed the .bin?
[11:31] <ZzeCoOl> thanx anyway
[11:31] <zAo^> just installed it ^^
[11:31] <falc> I know, I have an .Xdefaults in my home, containing emacs customizations, which are completely ignored
[11:31] <erik_il_rosso> where i found java for powerpc?
[11:31] <HauntedUnix> What plugin do I have to have to play mp3 files? I've got glame, not sure what else.
[11:32] <erik_il_rosso> gstream-mad
[11:32] <kezz> gstreamer-mad* (i think)
[11:32] <sensebend> HauntedUnix, it's in universe, you'll need to enable the repository if you haven't
[11:32] <zAo^> erik_il_rosso, I told you! http://www4.vc-net.ne.jp/~klivo/sim/javalinux.htm
[11:32] <sensebend> yeah kezz is right
[11:32] <sensebend> or XMMS
[11:32] <HauntedUnix> sensebend: just enabled it now, thanks
[11:32] <sensebend> you're welcome
[11:33] <HauntedUnix> Thanks kezz, erik_il_rosso, too 8)
[11:33] <trey3> HauntedUnix: gstreamer0.8-mad or gstreamer0.8-lame
[11:33] <zAo^> falc, tried root's home?
[11:34] <zAo^> after that maybe you need to restart gdm
[11:34] <trey3> zAo^: why would that help? (putting it another users ~)
[11:34] <erik_il_rosso> zao this is for intel, i don't have problem to install java on intel system, i have problem with my ibook a powerpc system
[11:34] <zAo^> trey3, root starts GDM, thats why
[11:35] <zAo^> erik_il_rosso, sorry, thought you would find the source there. NFI
[11:35] <sap> my thinkpad  crashes when running under battery (it takes a while though, over an hour before it locks up). I thought the problem was acpi related so I removed the acpi module, but it still crashes.
[11:35] <Tomcat_> Is it a good idea to add /etc/acpi/power.sh to /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc?
[11:35] <zAo^> sap, tried apmd ?
[11:35] <sap> zAo^: nope
[11:36] <trey3> zAo^: I thought GDM used /etc/X11/gdm/Init/Default?
[11:37] <trey3> zAo^: ie didn't really care who starts it...
[11:37] <sap> is there anything I can look at (log etc)  to get some idea about what might be causing the problem?
[11:38] <dud> xcdroast doesnt really seem sane...
[11:38] <dud> max write speed of 92x :O
[11:38] <dud> and the only write mode it is able to do it RAW
[11:38] <dud> no DAO or TAO
[11:39] <ZzeCoOl> mistic: omg aria have the most stupid fonts i have ever see
[11:39] <xav_> hi
[11:39] <karim> I was telling my self that the password prompt on sudo is useless for my user account, because it would not make a difference for me that somebody do a sudo rm -fr / or a rm -fr ~/ in my back
[11:40] <xav_> I've just made a fresh ubuntu install, but I've already some problems
[11:40] <karim> what is your opinion about that ? :)
[11:40] <xav_> totem hangs when I launch it
[11:40] <trey3> xav_: run from terminal and tell is what it says.
[11:41] <xav_> ** (totem:6864): WARNING **: don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1, systemstream=(boolean)false
[11:41] <xav_> ** (totem:6864): WARNING **: don't know how to handle audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1
[11:41] <dud> whats prodvd support in xcdroast?
[11:41] <ZzeCoOl> try totem-xine
[11:42] <trey3> xav_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats under "Where to get DVDCSS/xvid/other legally questionable packages"
[11:42] <Tomcat_> What script starts the X server? xserver-xfree86 sets ups directories and sockets, gdm only starts gdm?
[11:42] <trey3> Not sure why that would be making totem crash though?
[11:43] <xav_> hmm the first time it worked
[11:43] <xav_> I tried to play a movie
[11:43] <xav_> and since that, it crashed each time
[11:43] <trey3> Tomcat_: /etc/X11/Xsession by default...
[11:43] <xav_> hmm and it seems rythmbox crash too
[11:44] <xav_> I already read this page
[11:44] <Tomcat_> trey3: Who calls Xsession then? :o
[11:44] <xav_> but I've troubles too :)
[11:45] <trey3> Tomcat_: the X executable I presume?  :/
[11:45] <Tomcat_> trey3: That's the question... I really want to know how X gets started after boot...
[11:46] <trey3> Tomcat_: ahh... /etc/init.d/gdm  :)
[11:46] <Tomcat_> So gdm starts X? :o
[11:46] <Tomcat_> Okay then... :)
[11:46] <trey3> Tomcat_: cat /etc/init.d/gdm  :/
[11:47] <Tomcat_> trey3: That only starts the gdm binary, and the man page won't tell me if the binary starts the X server...
[11:47] <Tomcat_> I just hope I can add something to /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc to get executed just after the X server starts...
[11:47] <xav_> I can't fine xine
[11:47] <xav_> it's normal?
[11:48] <xav_> find
[11:48] <Ensiferum> trey3: i found the reason for my problem!
[11:48] <Tomcat_> xav_: Yeah, it's somewhere in universe or multiverse
[11:48] <xav_> I added marillat and cerkinfo rep
[11:48] <xav_> in synaptic
[11:48] <xav_> it added some package like libdvdcss but not xine
[11:48] <xav_> I added multiverse too
[11:48] <Tomcat_> xav_: Did you also add Ubuntu universe and multiverse?
[11:49] <xav_> not universe
[11:49] <Tomcat_> xine-ui is universe.
[11:49] <IBOIC> can ubuntu work off the bsd core instead of linux ? :)
[11:49] <trey3> Tomcat_: you can... or even just state new things in ~/.xsession  ;)
[11:49] <IBOIC> a ubuntu verison of bsd would be sweet
[11:50] <IBOIC> linux is too disorganized
[11:50] <IBOIC> patches here, there
[11:50] <IBOIC> no engineering model
[11:51] <xav_> Tomcat_, thanks a lot
[11:52] <zAo^> my box fiels 'laggy', though I have direct rendering; will a costum kernel solve my problem (XP 2100, 1GB, Radeon 9600 Pro) ?
[11:52] <trey3> IBOIC: doubtful... udev for example wouldn't work... discover doesn't work on bsd's... neither does hotplug... list goes on...
[11:53] <trey3> IBOIC: Debian is being ported to NetBSD and FreeBSD though...   :/
[11:53] <IBOIC> hmmm
[11:53] <zAo^> trey3, under what name?
[11:53] <IBOIC> trey3:  see i like bsd
[11:53] <IBOIC> i know the world seems to be fixated on linux
[11:54] <IBOIC> i wish there would be a more consumer friendly bsd
[11:54] <IBOIC> using the bsd code and adding on to it
[11:54] <IBOIC> would like competition
[11:54] <AndyR> its called OS X :)
[11:54] <zAo^> no1 on my 'kernel-question'?
[11:54] <trey3> zAo^: http://www.debian.org/ports/  <-- at the bottem
[11:54] <zAo^> thanks
[11:54] <trey3> IBOIC: Ubuntu is very Linux centric
[11:55] <IBOIC> trey3:  yeah i guess
[11:55] <IBOIC> linux is good dont get me wrong
[11:55] <IBOIC> bsd though has a cleaner engineering model tho so it just works
[11:56] <xav_> and I still have a problem with mplayer
[11:56] <kezz> but you can't get drivers for a lot of stuff
[11:56] <IBOIC> kezz drivers can be ported
[11:56] <xav_> it seems that it has some deps with newer version of some programs
[11:56] <xav_> I only have older version of these packages available
[11:56] <kezz> IBOIC, oh sure but at what cost
[11:56] <IBOIC> the media is focusing on linux wish bsd would get more attention :(
[11:57] <zAo^> I'm going to try that NetBSD port, thanks :)
[11:57] <xav_> did anyone install mplayer?
[11:57] <zAo^> I did, y?
[11:57] <xav_> did you read me?
[11:57] <siretart> xav_: yes, working great here
[11:57] <trey3> IBOIC: the BSD's allow people to steal from them... no company would ever form a business model around that, thus BSD will never be invested in in the same manner
[11:58] <xav_> some rep are maybe missing
[11:58] <xav_> which one do I need?
[11:58] <zAo^> did you use apt?
[11:58] <xav_> no but its the same
[11:58] <xav_> with apt-get or synaptic
[11:58] <siretart> xav_: do you use warty or hoary?
[11:58] <xav_> it fails because of dependancies missing
[11:58] <xav_> warty
[11:58] <zAo^> try this one in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:58] <zAo^> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[11:58] <zAo^> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[11:58] <zAo^> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[11:59] <siretart> xav_: have a look at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingMplayerFromHoaryInWarty
[11:59] <sensebend> BSD style licences allow one to fork and keep changes private right?
[11:59] <karim> hi
[11:59] <zAo^> lo
[11:59] <trey3> IBOIC: without corporate investments you don't get advertising... with advertising you don't get mainstream focus
[11:59] <AndyR> sensebend, yes
[11:59] <xav_> siretart, hoary is newer?
[11:59] <zAo^> yes xav_
[11:59] <karim> is there a way to make apt-get not update the kernel when a new rev is available ?
[11:59] <xav_> how do I get it?
[11:59] <ZzeCoOl> does anyone manage to make wine work under ubuntu?
[11:59] <xav_> I've to change the source file?
[11:59] <zAo^> I did ZzeCoOl
[11:59] <trey3> sensebend: yes... so long as you still publish the license with the work...