[12:00] <sensebend> that's a very different "freedom" than the GPL
[12:00] <ZzeCoOl> zAo^: ?
[12:00] <zAo^> yes xav_  are you experienced?
[12:00] <xav_> I did with debian
[12:00] <zAo^> ZzeCoOl, I installed cedega .deb file :0
[12:00] <trey3> sensebend: Microsoft uses much of FreeBSD's TCP stack for instance...
[12:00] <xav_> I run sid on one box
[12:00] <ZzeCoOl> when i start an appl my monitor turns blanc
[12:00] <zAo^> xav_, modify you source list
[12:00] <trey3> sensebend: the BSD license is there... but you can't see any sourcecode  :/
[12:00] <zAo^> what do you start ZzeCoOl  ?
[12:00] <ogra> xav_: hoary is not comparable to sid
[12:01] <ZzeCoOl> getright
[12:01] <ogra> xav_: it has way more bugs
[12:01] <xav_> ogra, its comparable to gentoo ~x86 ? :)
[12:01] <zAo^> ZzeCoOl,  why should you ?? Doesnt Linux have a lot of FTP progs?
[12:01] <xav_> I agree, sid is very stable for me
[12:01] <trey3> ogra: for most things it is... just not for instance xorg or gnome  :)
[12:01] <xav_> I havent had any troubles for month
[12:01] <ogra> xav_: dunno, didnt try gentoo ;)
[12:01] <ZzeCoOl> that support multi-source downloading
[12:01] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[12:02] <sensebend> I'm not patient enough for gentoo. Unless I had about 10 PCs to run discc
[12:02] <zAo^> ZzeCoOl, gftp does on FTP's, yes
[12:02] <sensebend> distcc
[12:02] <xav_> but with gentoo unstable, I had troubles, but they were oft easy to fix
[12:02] <ogra> xav_: its based on sid ... but a real lot of modifications are going in....
[12:02] <xav_> sensebend, yep, it needs too much time
[12:02] <zAo^> can I repeat my question? :)
[12:02] <zAo^> my box fiels 'laggy', though I have direct rendering; will a costum kernel solve my problem (XP 2100, 1GB, Radeon 9600 Pro) ?
[12:03] <xav_> I'll stay with warty for the moment then
[12:03] <ogra> zAo^: what kernel do you currently run ?
[12:03] <zAo^> i686 one
[12:03] <ogra> zAo^: on an athlon ?
[12:03] <trey3> zAo^: try -k7
[12:04] <zAo^> trey3, is there a huge prefomance difference ?
[12:04] <ogra> zAo^: it is optimized for athon....
[12:04] <trey3> zAo^: umm... other than it being for AMD chips rather than intel you mean?
[12:04] <ogra> zAo^: -k7 that is
[12:05] <ZzeCoOl> hey ogra i finally made it with Ati drivers :P
[12:05] <ogra> yay
[12:06] <ZzeCoOl> yeah
[12:06] <dud> this dvd burning stuff is killing me
[12:06] <dud> here i go out buying a top of the line dvd burner 16x, and its burning at like 0.9x
[12:06] <dud> bloody wonderful heh
[12:07] <xav_> siretart, thanks for this howto. it works now
[12:07] <zAo^> ogra, otimized; 1% max preformance win?
[12:07] <ogra> zAo^: nope, it uses all the amd magic, while -i686 can only use the intel commands ;)
[12:08] <siretart> xav_: you're welcome
[12:08] <jclochesy> I'm am having DNS problems, does anyone have some steps I can take?  It's not the IPv6 issue, as all Internet aps are slow at name resolution
[12:08] <sensebend> ok for subtitle display can I use any true type font on mplayer?
[12:09] <ZzeCoOl> ogra:  you may have an answer to this one : In my network there are 2 pc's (it is a wireless network) a linux and a windows when i copy paste to linux file from windows (using samba mounted partitions) i only get 900 kb/sec bu when i set up an ftp server at the windows machine and download file to the linux one then i get 1.9 mb/sec.... Strange
[12:09] <zAo^> ogra, rebooting for new kernel :)
[12:10] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: there are many options you can set in samba, so many that people have written books about it ;)
[12:10] <ZzeCoOl> ihhh
[12:11] <jclochesy> I'm am having DNS problems, does anyone have some steps I can take?  It's not the IPv6 issue, as all Internet aps are slow at name resolution
[12:11] <dud> i dont suppose anyone else has experienced slow dvd burning on ubuntu?
[12:11] <dud> in k3d preferrably
[12:11] <IBOIC> man yahoo chat is lame
[12:11] <IBOIC> :P
[12:11] <Quest-Master> We won so many awards for the year at ArsTechnica.. Best Distro, Best Community, Best Newcomer! :D
[12:12] <IBOIC> quest yep i noticed
[12:12] <IBOIC> :)
[12:12] <Quest-Master> Yeah, really nice
[12:12] <IBOIC> quest:  i like bsd tho
[12:12] <Quest-Master> We deserve it though
[12:12] <IBOIC> heh
[12:12] <Quest-Master> ;D
[12:12] <Quest-Master> lol
[12:12] <IBOIC> i wish ubuntu did dev on bsd
[12:12] <sensebend> we're just getting started
[12:12] <IBOIC> it would be awesome :P
[12:12] <Quest-Master> Linux is good enough :)
[12:12] <Quest-Master> sensebend: Yeah. :)
[12:13] <IBOIC> quest-master:  its the way the model works....
[12:13] <IBOIC> but
[12:13] <IBOIC> i mean linux is still slow
[12:13] <IBOIC> and clunky
[12:13] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: look for good samba doc on the net, ther is something like the TCP_NODELAY and several more stuff you can play with
[12:13] <ZzeCoOl> Quest-Master: are u an ubuntu developer or something?
[12:13] <trey3> IBOIC: are you a developer? if not, why do you care about the "model"?
[12:13] <sensebend> umm I find Linux to be fast
[12:13] <ZzeCoOl> ogra thanx
[12:14] <trey3> IBOIC: no offense... but you don't seem to be a developer... so I'm confused...
[12:14] <sensebend> much faster than one other system who's name not be meantioned
[12:14] <ZzeCoOl> trey3: he like BSD the way you like linux instead of windows that all
[12:14] <sensebend> it starts with a W :)
[12:14] <Quest-Master> IBOIC: Linux? Slow? Clunky? Hello Windows.
[12:15] <Quest-Master> ZzeCoOl: I'm not a developer.. yet. I'm interested in doing some dev. work for Ubuntu though, particularly in Python.
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> Quest-Master: nice
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[12:16] <trey3> ZzeCoOl: I don't like Linux... I like debconf, apt, and gnome...
[12:16] <ZzeCoOl> ahhahaha
[12:16] <trey3> ZzeCoOl: the less I have to play with Linux the better
[12:16] <seth_> question
[12:16] <trey3> nuopus: wb  :)
[12:16] <Se7h> i have pyimlib2 here
[12:16] <Se7h> in what dir i do the "make" thing ?
[12:16] <nuopus> trey3: Do you know the names of who is in charge of the phoenix linux users group
[12:17] <Quest-Master> The directory you unzipped Se7h
[12:17] <trey3> nuopus: no idea... :(
[12:17] <Quest-Master> ./configure;make;make install
[12:17] <Ensiferum> is there really any way to apply a 2.6.9 driver patch on 2.6.8 sources?
[12:17] <Ensiferum> (any chance of getting that to work?)
[12:17] <Se7h> Quest-Master o.0 doesn't metter ?
[12:17] <Se7h> will python import it ?
[12:17] <jeffreyb> Running Warty- when I logout my GDM screen is all screwed up.. resolution is messed up. A simple ctrl-alt-bkspace restarts xserver then it Ok... Any ideas?
[12:18] <Quest-Master> Se7h: As long as you ./configure;make;make install, Python will pick it up
[12:18] <Quest-Master> However
[12:18] <Quest-Master> Se7h: Tell me if there is a setup.py in what you unzipped
[12:18] <Quest-Master> Or untarred, better to say
[12:18] <Se7h> yeah
[12:18] <Se7h> gimme a sec
[12:19] <Se7h> yes there is
[12:19] <Se7h> but in the readme file
[12:19] <Se7h> it tells just to make make install
[12:20] <Quest-Master> Se7h: Just do this then
[12:20] <Quest-Master> Se7h: Go to terminal, and go to the directory where setup.py is
[12:20] <Quest-Master> Se7h: Type in python setup.py --install
[12:21] <Se7h> well that i supposed to do...but since it tells just to "make &make install"
[12:21] <Se7h> i stopped
[12:21] <Se7h> but ok
[12:21] <Se7h> i'll do it then
[12:21] <xav_> it's amazing. 3d works again :)
[12:22] <xav_> I don't know what happened, but it suddenly stopped working on my last distrib
[12:22] <Quest-Master> What distro was the previous one xav_? ;)
[12:23] <xav_> archlinux
[12:23] <xav_> it was fine, but there were some minor things I disliked
[12:23] <xav_> and this 3d thing annoyed me
[12:23] <xav_> I don't know what I messed up
[12:24] <xav_> direct rendering was still activated, glxgears still worked fine, but games didn't run smoothly anymore
[12:24] <xav_> it was really strange
[12:24] <xav_> now I can have fun on tuxracer again :)
[12:24] <zAo^> ogra, compiling new fglrx module :)
[12:25] <ogra> zAo^: huh ? why that ?
[12:25] <zAo^> ogra, I donnot use Ubuntu (anymore)
[12:25] <zAo^> I am on Sarge
[12:26] <ogra> oh....as you like...
[12:26] <zAo^> Ubuntu rocks, but I need the latest of some packages
[12:26] <xav_> do you know  some funny small games available in the ubuntu rep ?
[12:26] <ogra> zAo^: hrm, why ?
[12:27] <zAo^> ogra, for example: I use PAN, the latest version is much better than the one in Ubuntu. I use Gimp with dcraw: on Ubuntu it was terribly slow for some reason
[12:28] <zAo^> I used a mixed Ubuntu, but that went wrong :)
[12:28] <ogra> zAo^: and waiting 6 weeks to the first preview wasnt an option
[12:29] <zAo^> preview of what?
[12:29] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[12:30] <zAo^> what will it bring? xorg ?
[12:30] <ogra> zAo^: i think from array10 it will start to get better all the time, at lest there should be sid like stability then
[12:31] <Se7h> wel Quest-Master
[12:31] <Se7h> it'll ave to be "python setup.py" only
[12:31] <zAo^> Warty was quit stable for me. I only wanted all the sid packages..
[12:31] <zAo^> quite ^^
[12:32] <ogra> zAo^: yep, xorg too but a whole lot of changes in usability, package management, integration of the desktop...and of course the newest gnome ;)
[12:32] <randabis> hmm
[12:32] <zAo^> ogra, w00t :) Looks nice. Well, 6 weeks on sid then? :)
[12:33] <zAo^> Is there a Xorg ATI driver already?
[12:34] <bigbubba> hi i just got my ubuntu cds and i'm wondering what command do i type in the shell to see what version of ubuntu i'm curently running
[12:34] <ogra> zAo^: i dont think there is one from ati yet
[12:34] <Se7h> error: /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/Imlib2.py: Permission denied
[12:34] <Se7h> erm
[12:35] <zAo^> ogra, what is the use of Xorg then?
[12:35] <trey3> bigbubba: /etc/issue tells you... although normally it would be /etc/debian-version :/
[12:35] <zAo^> or will it use xorg 6.7.0 ?
[12:35] <bigbubba> ok thanks will try
[12:35] <trey3> (which actually exists... but states 3.1 denoting sarge... which is misleading...  :/ )
[12:35] <smallgeeek> Hello?
[12:36] <trey3> smallgeeek: hey
[12:36] <bigbubba> so is it wise to upgrade a working copy or not if its outdated?
[12:36] <trey3> smallgeeek: what can we do you for?  :P
[12:36] <bigbubba> i have heard sometimes on linux the latest isn't the greatest
[12:36] <ogra> zAo^: newer codebase.... an totally awsome speedup (gdm starts nearly faster then my monitor can switch for example)
[12:36] <ogra> zAo^: 6.8.0
[12:36] <smallgeeek> Hello... is Ubantu ..debian... or other? ..please?
[12:37] <zAo^> ogra, sounds great to me. But I first must get rid of my ATI then..
[12:37] <trey3> smallgeeek: something tells me #ubuntu is Ubuntu... could be wrong though?
[12:37] <zAo^> lol @ trey3
[12:37] <bigbubba> and when i type /etc/issue it wants to be sudo
[12:37] <trey3> bigbubba: bah... cat /etc/issue
[12:37] <karim> hwhere does dpkg stores wich file are on hold ?
[12:37] <trey3> Shouldn't need to be root
[12:37] <bigbubba> oh yeah duh
[12:37] <trey3> I don't need to be?
[12:38] <zAo^> ^^ world-readable
[12:38] <smallgeeek> Mmmmm thinkin' of going for it Ubuntu.... but I need convincing..?
[12:38] <bigbubba> good deal
[12:38] <lavigj> has anyone configured ubuntu to work with a Netgear WG511?
[12:38] <bigbubba> i have the latest 4.10 :) thanks a bunch
[12:39] <trey3> smallgeeek: no one will try to convince you... there is no convincing needed.
[12:39] <trey3> smallgeeek: if you want to try it... try it... if not... well, then don't...
[12:39] <ogra> bigbubba: there only is one stable version yet ;) so you have surely the latest
[12:39] <mxmsmarine> are intel dothan processors any good?
[12:39] <zAo^> smallgeeek, Just try it. Use Google en love it :)
[12:39] <smallgeeek> trey3 ... My My are u ever so convinced in yer distro:->
[12:40] <lavigj> for that matter can anyone point me in the right direction for setting up wireless in ubuntu?
[12:40] <karim> where does dpkg stores wich packages are on hold ?
[12:40] <zAo^> lavigj, what chipset does it use?
[12:40] <smallgeeek> !1 CD distro .. it must be compact!!
[12:40] <lavigj> zAo^: prismGT I believe
[12:40] <neighborlee> smallgeeek, well its installer is easier than current debian and it 'comes out of the box' ready for alot more things than debian does including a nice 6 months  release schedule that plus synaptic is 'included' out of the box making installing new apps a total day at the beach ( for you whom are looking for a easier-than-debian-experience <G>)
[12:40] <zAo^> lavigj, let me see..
[12:40] <trey3> smallgeeek: I like it... I am not delisional enough to think its for everyone though...
[12:41] <xav_> how can I make a search in all rep available ?
[12:41] <trey3> delusional*
[12:41] <lavigj> zAo^: confirmed. prismGT/prism Duette
[12:41] <zAo^> lavigj, http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz
[12:41] <zAo^> I think it should work without any probs
[12:41] <xav_> because some reps must be filtered with my preferences file
[12:41] <neighborlee> smallgeeek, your mileage may vary but thats at least why I like it...plus being a 'distro' that gives a dam* about 'gnome' doesn't hurt ;-))
[12:41] <lavigj> zAo^: ok, I am just new to ubuntu/debian, I have used linux for a bit. I will check out that link
[12:42] <sensebend> neighborlee, I came from debian for most of the reasons you said
[12:42] <smallgeeek> How about a cheapo Magazine covermount distro?..
[12:42] <zAo^> lavigj, what distros?
[12:42] <neighborlee> sensebend, kewl
[12:42] <sensebend> it ships with most of the applications I use as default
[12:42] <trey3> smallgeeek: huh?
[12:42] <lavigj> zAo^: mostly gentoo. I wanted something non-source based for my laptop, and I have also used mandrake. i really didn't care for rpms.... at all
[12:42] <smallgeeek> Does it do Gnome..KDE .. both installed?
[12:42] <sensebend> smallgeeek, only GNOME
[12:43] <trey3> smallgeeek: no
[12:43] <trey3> smallgeeek: KDE is not supported
[12:43] <trey3> smallgeeek: it is in Universe though
[12:43] <zAo^> lavigj, Ubuntu of sid will be a very good choise
[12:43] <neighborlee> trey3, I hear its in the works though right ?
[12:43] <trey3> neighborlee: not really... it will never be in main...
[12:43] <sensebend> why? isn't having KDE in universe good enough?
[12:43] <mroth> hmm, no restricted-modules for 2.6.10 yet i guess
[12:43] <lavigj> zAo^: I remember seeing sid.... what exactly is that agin?
[12:43] <neighborlee> trey3, ah ok..
[12:43] <trey3> lavigj: Debian's devel branch
[12:43] <zAo^> lavigj, Debian Sarge :)
[12:44] <sensebend> lavigj, sid is always the testing version of debian
[12:44] <lavigj> trey3: mm.... instability :D
[12:44] <lavigj> wow, thanks for the fast reply
[12:44] <smallgeeek> Totll opensource ..eh? .. no trolltek KDE.?...
[12:44] <zAo^> lavigj, lol
[12:44] <BillyAnachronism> is there any documentation for installing ppc ubuntu totally from the net?
[12:44] <sensebend> sid is stable
[12:44] <lavigj> er, mass reply
[12:44] <sensebend> well sorta
[12:44] <sensebend> if you know how to clean up messes
[12:44] <randabis> mroth nope...what modules do you need?
[12:44] <sensebend> kinda like hoary right now
[12:44] <Riddell> smallgeeek: KDE is free software and open source
[12:45] <mroth> randabis: nvidia support is tied (or used to be anyhow) to restricted modules
[12:45] <randabis> I don't like kde hehe
[12:45] <trey3> Riddell: How'd I know you would pop up when KDE was stated?  :P
[12:45] <lavigj> also, I really appreciate not getting flamed. I have read/seen a lot of people get slammed bad just because they use gentoo. I am interested in learning, and it is nice to find some good people who are not so caught up on their distro that if I am not an immediate deb/ubuntu diehard I shouldn't be here
[12:45] <randabis> mroth ah, I just use the nvidia .run script
[12:45] <smallgeeek> Riddell .. with respect.. not according to some...
[12:45] <sensebend> Riddell, calling KDE both free software and open source is kinda redundunt don't you think?
[12:45] <sensebend> why not just call it FOSS or Free software?
[12:45] <Riddell> smallgeeek: anyone who says otherwise is wrong
[12:46] <mroth> yeah, I could do that, but I want to test the "out of box" using packages so I can help get it working that way before release
[12:46] <BillyAnachronism> does anyone have any experience installing ppc ubuntu here? I'm at a loss what to do
[12:46] <randabis> well I like gentoo, except for compile times...I'd still use it if not for that
[12:46] <bigbubba> ok thanks again guys, will be back i'm sure with more questions in the future :)
[12:46] <mchasard> hi whats this new alpha version
[12:46] <zAo^> lavigj, how can I more agree? I use AIX and debian (sid) so? :)
[12:46] <trey3> smallgeeek: its free... has been since 2000 or so... however its owned by the same parent company that owns SCO... so some are "protesting"  :/
[12:46] <trey3> kinda lame really, but ok
[12:46] <randabis> mroth oic
[12:46] <Riddell> sensebend: I prefer Free Software because I am a zelout but smallgeeek was talking about open sauce so I called it that too
[12:46] <randabis> haha
[12:47] <randabis> saucy
[12:47] <xav_> crafty isn't in any repo ?
[12:47] <trey3> Canopy Group = parent company... incase anyone is wondering?  :P
[12:47] <lavigj> zAo^: it's just nice not to have to worry. I actually was a bit at first :)
[12:47] <mchasard> hoary live  ?
[12:47] <jdub> BillyAnachronism: stick in cd, hold down C to boot from cd...
[12:47] <smallgeeek> Nahhhhh .. Guy's .. I'll stick to SuSe/Mandrake/ ...
[12:47] <mchasard> please ...is there some tools to save configuration for a live cd use
[12:47] <neighborlee> the kde/gnome difference is obvious in that kde utilizes qt which isn't entirely free....for cooporate thats a big issue
[12:47] <zAo^> lavigj,  dont :) Welcome I say :)
[12:48] <Riddell> neighborlee: qt is 100% Free Software
[12:48] <BillyAnachronism> jdub, I've done that.. Its just it stops installing
[12:48] <neighborlee> no  it is not
[12:48] <jdub> neighborlee: Qt is Free Software. do *not* make that mistake please.
[12:48] <neighborlee> it is not..at least it did not 'used to be'
[12:48] <trey3> jdub: hey  :)
[12:48] <BillyAnachronism> jdub, I've reburnt, redownloaded about 50 times and the same things happen.. I've also changed the cdrom
[12:48] <Riddell> neighborlee: infact it's under the GPL so unlike Gnome it guarantees your freedom
[12:48] <neighborlee> can you use it for windows and not pay a fee ???
[12:48] <trey3> jdub: shouldn't you be busy or something?  :P
[12:48] <Riddell> s/gnome/gtk/
[12:48] <jdub> neighborlee: the released Qt code is GPL.
[12:48] <jdub> neighborlee: the released code doesn't include windows bits.
[12:49] <jdub> neighborlee: if you want to port it, that's up to you.
[12:49] <neighborlee> faik to code qt for windows requires a 'license' which isn't cheap
[12:49] <trey3> Riddell: lgpl is just as free as gpl... freer in fact...
[12:49] <jdub> Riddell: (erm, that's fallacious too, don't fight fire with fire please)
[12:49] <jdub> neighborlee: unless you port it to windows.
[12:49] <Riddell> trey3: LGPL does not guarantee your freedom, which is why the free software foundation recommends against it
[12:49] <smallgeeek> It was just the "blurb" that caught my attention about Ubuntu.... on the magazines... really... what gives about "Abutu"?
[12:49] <Riddell> jdub: yes, I'll shut up now
[12:50] <sensebend> agreed Riddell
[12:50] <neighborlee> jdub, and gtk requires none of that..hence why gnome is so popular and why I use it specifically
[12:50] <jdub> Riddell: it guarantees the freedom of the GTK+ and GNOME platform library code. this is a very silly point to argue, dude.
[12:50] <Vantage> can you install ubuntu from the warty live cd?  if so, how?
[12:50] <trey3> Riddell: only difference between lgpl and gpl is that lgpl allows people to write applications that use that toolkit, and keep that non-free...
[12:50] <jdub> Vantage: no
[12:50] <sensebend> Vantage, no you cannot
[12:50] <smallgeeek> Appart from not spelling it wright :->
[12:50] <Vantage> thanks
[12:50] <sensebend> trey3, is correct, but how is that more Free?
[12:51] <jdub> guys
[12:51] <trey3> jdub: might be something to think about though... something like knoppix does... just a thought
[12:51] <sensebend> this is offtopic though
[12:51] <jdub> this is not a useful argument for this channel
[12:51] <ogra> absolutely offtopic :)
[12:51] <jdub> and most kde and gnome developers would consider you silly for arguing it
[12:51] <trey3> sensebend: its not... but certainly not more restrictive either... just allows people to choose a license they like and still use the toolkit...
[12:51] <jdub> so please let it go
[12:52] <trey3> sensebend: for people to do the same with Qt, they must obtain a license from Trolltech...
[12:52] <mchasard> anyone could talk about the new alpha ubuntu version ?
[12:52] <jdub> trey3: dude, enough please.
[12:52] <jdub> mchasard: what do you want to know?
[12:52] <smallgeeek> Anybody "dual booting" with another distro .. but arejust to "closeted" to admit it?...?
[12:52] <jdub> smallgeeek: i dual boot one machine with xp for testing.
[12:52] <mchasard> its a live cd  with gnome also ?
[12:53] <sensebend> smallgeeek, nope single boot Ubuntu
[12:53] <lavigj> wb
[12:53] <jdub> mchasard: there is a very early hoary livecd alpha
[12:53] <sensebend> I have no need for anything else
[12:53] <mchasard> is it possible to save configuration on a usb key ?
[12:53] <xav_> everything works fine
[12:53] <karim> I have put linux-image-386 and linux-386 on HOLD, but apt-get dist-upgrade still want to upgrade the kernels
[12:53] <xav_> ubuntu is great :)
[12:53] <jdub> mchasard: it will be, yes (and you can do that on the warty livecd too)
[12:53] <mchasard> yes i'm downloading it ..;at the moment
[12:53] <ogra> mchasard: its _very_ alpha
[12:53] <karim> how to prevent this ?
[12:53] <jdub> karim: put the kernel version package on hold
[12:53] <sensebend> karim, do a dist-upgrade
[12:53] <zAo^> Can I download a hoary iso?
[12:53] <karim> jdub: yes of course it will work
[12:53] <sensebend> err nvm
[12:54] <smallgeeek> jdub.. brilliant!.. but I meant another distro of "Linux" .. keep it in the family.. u know?! :->
[12:54] <karim> jdub: but that's not generic
[12:54] <jdub> zAo^: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[12:54] <sensebend> listen to jdub
[12:54] <mchasard> yes but with the wathy i had connexion troubles
[12:54] <karim> jdub: no ?
[12:54] <zAo^> thanks jdub
[12:54] <jdub> karim: no, which is why it'll work :-)
[12:54] <smallgeeek> No incest.... :->
[12:54] <ogra> mchasard: it hasnt even a working X
[12:54] <mchasard> i never succeed to connect me  ...
[12:54] <karim> jdub: I mean if I hold this version, and then later upgrade it manually, I will need to hold again the newly installed kernel isn't it ?
[12:54] <zAo^> jdub, which one should I donwload :)
[12:55] <jdub> karim: no
[12:55] <mchasard> i don't know why
[12:55] <karim> jdub: ok
[12:55] <jdub> karim: it depends on what you want to do - what are you trying to achieve?
[12:55] <jdub> zAo^: if you want to try hoary, download the daily (check the report file first)
[12:55] <karim> jdub: I don't want dist-upgrade to update the kernel
[12:55] <karim> jdub: ever
[12:55] <karim> :)
[12:56] <karim> I want to do it manually
[12:56] <karim> always when I need to
[12:56] <mchasard> the best thing will be that i test it before asking you ... !!!
[12:56] <jdub> put all the meta packages on hold
[12:56] <mchasard> ;-)
[12:56] <karim> jdub: that's what I tried
[12:56] <ogra> mchasard: did you read me ?
[12:56] <karim> jdub: I have put linux-386 linux-image-386
[12:56] <smallgeeek> sensebend.. Blesss!!!
[12:56] <karim> jdub: maybe there is other packages
[12:57] <smallgeeek> sensebend a one man "distro" !!
[12:57] <karim> jdub: oh it's proably linux-meta
[12:57] <mchasard> yes don't whorry
[12:57] <Vantage> one more question.  what's the minimum ram requirements for the ubuntu live cd?
[12:57] <mchasard> 256Mo or 128Mo
[12:57] <sensebend> Vantage, 128MB
[12:57] <karim> jdub: herm no it isn't :)
[12:57] <sensebend> and I stress minimum
[12:57] <mchasard> ok thanks and the processor ?
[12:58] <jdub> karim: look at the binary packages provided by linux-meta
[12:58] <mchasard> i have pII 350Mhz
[12:58] <mchasard> only sorry
[12:58] <jdub> mchasard: cpu speed doesn't really matter
[12:58] <jdub> mchasard: i'd recommend 256MB memory or more
[12:58] <randabis> yessir
[12:58] <randabis> 224 does ok too
[12:58] <mchasard> ok ...i have the minimum also 256Mo
[12:59] <smallgeeek> mchasard ...slowwwwwww.. do a console...;-.
[12:59] <sensebend> I have a weird problem with the file manager
[12:59] <Vantage> but it will boot with 128MB (albeit slowly)
[12:59] <sensebend> it randomly opens and closes
[12:59] <Vantage> ?
[12:59] <zAo^> sounds weird ;)
[12:59] <mchasard> i tested mepis , pclinuxos ..and its slow but ok ...for me
[12:59] <karim> jdub: there is no package called linnux-meta
[12:59] <ngh> hi, me again :P can I request some help?
[12:59] <sensebend> and the mounted disks on the desktop don't show up
[01:00] <zAo^> ngh, shoot
[01:00] <trey3> karim: apt-get remove linux-image-386 (will remove linux-386 also)
[01:00] <tidalwav> hi room, I have a question--why hasn't firefox 1.0 been officially added to warty's repositories
[01:00] <ngh> ok
[01:00] <jdub> karim: there is a source package called linux-meta -> apt-cache showsrc linux-meta
[01:00] <ogra> karim: linux-`uname -m`
[01:00] <smallgeeek> mchasard slow .. doesn't mean okay!
[01:00] <jdub> karim: if you *remove* all the meta packages, new kernel versions won't be installed either
[01:00] <sensebend> I'm gonna reinstall natilus
[01:00] <karim> trey3: I don't need that
[01:01] <ngh> I installed ubuntu on my laptop and it refuses to boot into gui, but the live cd runs smooth
[01:01] <jdub> karim: but it's possibly saner to put them on hold
[01:01] <trey3> karim: exactly... but thats why dist-upgrade is upgrading your kernel...
[01:01] <zAo^> tidalwav, because ff1.0 was released after Warty
[01:01] <karim> trey3: ok :)
[01:01] <ngh> so earlier someone told me to do a echo display and I did it but on the live cd, and it returns 0.0
[01:01] <karim> trey3: however that doesn't make sens, because if this package is holded it shouldn't
[01:02] <zAo^> ngh, ok: why?
[01:02] <karim> sin't it ?
[01:02] <mchasard> why the network tools is not working for me ?
[01:02] <tidalwav> zao: but there are other programs that Warty has that were updated after its initial release--why not FF?
[01:02] <trey3> karim: because the package # itself isn't upgraded...
[01:02] <mchasard> with ubuntu or gnoppix  ?
[01:02] <smallgeeek> Anybody sreiously compared MS win2K/xp2k .. with a distro... circa 1999..2000..?
[01:02] <zAo^> tidalwav, I dont know. There is a backport though
[01:02] <tidalwav> zao: meh?
[01:02] <mchasard> no way  to connect on the web
[01:02] <ngh> the error when booting from hard drive is this:
[01:03] <jdub> tidalwav: there are only major bugfix and security updates, not random version updates.
[01:03] <tidalwav> mchasard: what kind of hardware do you have
[01:03] <zAo^> tidalwav, a backport from hoary for warty
[01:03] <tidalwav> for connecting to the net
[01:03] <HauntedUnix> When I try and view smb://workgroup with nautlius, I get this error (if I open nautilus in a term): ** (nautilus:24651): WARNING **: Hit unhandled case 38 (Service not available) in fm_report_error_loading_directo
[01:03] <jdub> tidalwav: if you want to use new versions of the software, help test our development branch.
[01:03] <tidalwav> zao: ahhhhh, I tried that, but it broke my X server somehow
[01:03] <pybe-lappy> mchasard: you might want to be a bit more specific
[01:03] <ngh> ror:temporary failure in name resolution
[01:03] <mchasard> i have a network card ...with a modem plugged iin ethernet ...
[01:04] <trey3> jdub: you'll should break some stuff so I can feel useful  :(  haven't seen any bugs since my last install  :(
[01:04] <tidalwav> mchasard: try running ifconfig eth0
[01:04] <zAo^> tidalwav, what went wrong? any logs?
[01:04] <ngh> when it is loading and then it refuses to go into gui, it says x is not set correctly
[01:04] <pybe-lappy> mchasard: what card? is it picked up? do you have dhcp or manual ip?
[01:04] <trey3> second :(  should be a :)  *nods*
[01:04] <karim> trey3: ok this works, thanks, however I don't understand why now the kernel is not updated
[01:04] <smallgeeek> Thanx for the chat people i'm going beddie byes now!
[01:04] <nuopus> trey3: your STILL here! lol
[01:04] <zAo^> ngh, tried starting gdm as root?
[01:04] <tidalwav> zAo: I don't remember, cuz I reformatted a while ago, but I *do* remember that GDM was having trouble starting....an X would show up on the screen and that was it.
[01:04] <mchasard> ifconfig eth0 ...i have to wtrite it in a xterm windows ?
[01:04] <sensebend> whatever the problem was I solved it
[01:05] <ngh> then it asks to restart gdm when is configures correctly
[01:05] <sensebend> restarted X
[01:05] <trey3> nuopus: hah... left a few times... :)
[01:05] <tidalwav> mchasard: yes.
[01:05] <ngh> yes, it refuses
[01:05] <sensebend> it was annoying
[01:05] <sensebend> random nautilus windows were popping up
[01:05] <karim> trey3: I don't understand how this meta package thing work
[01:05] <mchasard> ok i' ll try
[01:05] <ogra> trey3: the you should try upgrading form warty  ;) its much worse
[01:05] <trey3> nuopus: IRC is always up though... when I can't find anything else to do... I come back  :)
[01:05] <ogra> then
[01:05] <zAo^> tidalwav, I had that too when upgrading to hoary. When I just run 'startx' everything went fine..
[01:05] <trey3> ogra: I did... about 2 days ago...
[01:05] <tidalwav> hmmm...didn't work over here. I tried startx and nothing happened.
[01:05] <trey3> ogra: haven't downloaded any hoary cd's so far...
[01:05] <ogra> trey3: X went smooth ?
[01:06] <trey3> ogra: yup
[01:06] <mchasard> no more 15mn and the download will be finished
[01:06] <mchasard> yeah
[01:06] <zAo^> tidalwav, hmm. So what do you want now?
[01:06] <ogra> trey3: you talked about install
[01:06] <tidalwav> zAo: nothing, I guess. I'm just bored, so I'm chilling, now.
[01:06] <ogra> trey3: lucky you
[01:06] <trey3> ogra: hah... what issues you encounter?
[01:06] <zAo^> tidalwav, welcome :) What distro are you on now?
[01:06] <tidalwav> zao: warty
[01:07] <zAo^> -tidalwav- VERSION mIRC v6.1
[01:07] <tidalwav> I tried hoary but I was having minor soundcard issues
[01:07] <zAo^> :-S
[01:07] <sensebend> you can run mIRC in WINE
[01:07] <tidalwav> Zao: no I'm not on that computer now
[01:07] <tidalwav> I have two compies in my room :p
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> sensebend: if you like pain
[01:07] <zAo^> tidalwav, nice :)
[01:07] <ogra> trey3: on a imac i have for testing i get a beautiful starting X, even the drums of gdm work fine....but only with a black screen ;)
[01:07] <ngh> what should I do? I type gdm and it says only root can do it
[01:07] <tidalwav> yeah :D
[01:07] <trey3> sensebend: thats just strange... most Windows users I know even prefer XChat over mIRC
[01:07] <pybe-lappy> sensebend: and you would want to because?
[01:08] <ogra> trey3: but daniels is on it ;)
[01:08] <trey3> ogra: haha... thats useful  :P
[01:08] <sensebend> if you've got scripts for mIRC
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> sensebend: 'scripts'
[01:08] <sensebend> other than that I can't see a practical reason
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> what do they do
[01:08] <randabis> anyone have experience with bootsplash?
[01:08] <tidalwav> zao: the warty box is about four years older than the windows box, but runs twice as fast
[01:08] <lavigj> trey3: I actually ssh into my linux box to use irssi from windows :)
[01:08] <ngh> what is the command for running somethin as root?
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> tell other people your measurements? in colour
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> ngh: sudo
[01:08] <randabis> my shutdown bootsplash works, but not my startup
[01:08] <tidalwav> ngh: sudo :p
[01:08] <ogra> trey3: on one of my laptops the trident card or the display isnt detected at all... i still examine it
[01:08] <ngh> ok, going to try
[01:08] <trey3> lavigj: I haven't used irssi in a while...
[01:08] <sensebend> I don't have mIRC installed, I was just saying it's possible
[01:08] <randabis> anyone?
[01:09] <tidalwav> ranadblis, what do you mean
[01:09] <tidalwav> the loading screen?
[01:09] <mchasard> it seems that hoary has changed the design ...is it near gnoppix ?
[01:09] <trey3> ogra: its not a trident issue... (or more then likely not) ... thats what I use  :)
[01:09] <se5a> hey, I am not getting options when I boot for which os I want to run, I have lilo and grub installed but nether of them are giving me the option to boot ubuntu or windoze, it just boots strait into ubuntu
[01:09] <ngh> err, is asks for password, which is the default? sorry to be so annoying
[01:09] <tidalwav> zAo: I thought of another issue...WTF is this modprobe: fatal: error inserting pciehp
[01:09] <tidalwav> on boot
[01:09] <ogra> trey3: no, i suspect the toshiba display not to offer its values
[01:09] <stvn> ngh: your normal one
[01:09] <jintonic> i got an rpm of an app i wanna install (no deb was available), so i'm supposed to use alien <filename> right? then what do i do to install the deb?
[01:10] <randabis> password is your normal one
[01:10] <tidalwav> ngh: whatever you entered when you installed ubuntu
[01:10] <ngh> oh, ok
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> sensebend: press escape when it asks in the boot sequence
[01:10] <jdub> tidalwav: a driver that won't load because your hardware doesn't support it - no problem
[01:10] <randabis> unless you set a different root password
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> er se5a
[01:10] <randabis> no with one bootsplash experience?
[01:10] <pybe-lappy> tidalwav: black list the modules in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[01:10] <sensebend> HrdwrBoB, I'm not asking a question
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> randabis: no, sudo is YOUR password, always
[01:10] <ogra> trey3: what kind of trident do you have there ? the lappie has a CyberbladeXP
[01:10] <tidalwav> jdub: I saw on ubuntu forums that it was some kind of kernel-level problem that was meaningless and annoying
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> sensebend: yeah I meant se5a, my mistake
[01:10] <lavigj> I never realized how freakin' sexy pre-compiled binaries are....
[01:10] <ngh> mmhh, it says "gdm already running, aborting"
[01:10] <pybe-lappy> tidalwav: its where your cpu has pretended to do something it cant
[01:10] <mchasard> i hope i could have any connexion with the ubuntu hoary
[01:11] <jdub> tidalwav: try loading a driver for a piece of hardware you don't have. it won't load, and it'll provide an error.
[01:11] <trey3> ogra: CyberBlade/Il
[01:11] <tidalwav> yeah.
[01:11] <tidalwav> lemme try the blacklisting dealy
[01:11] <jintonic> eww.. trident
[01:11] <se5a> hrdwrbob: it doesent ask anything, it just boots strait into ubuntu
[01:11] <trey3> According to lspci...
[01:11] <trey3> jintonic: works fine?
[01:11] <jintonic> they make good gum but wtf were they thinking to make video cards?!
[01:11] <jintonic> j/k
[01:11] <jintonic> :)
[01:12] <htaccess> i want to deploy a new server, woody is too damn old but i want real security updates, so i was thinking of using ubuntu which ive only used on the desktop so far, is it possible to install ubuntu headless?
[01:12] <Quest-Master> How can I change the Python symlink in /usr/bin to point to python2.3 instead of 2.4?
[01:12] <gwildor> hello
[01:12] <ngh> startx gives a fatal IO error 104 ... why the live cd runs ok?
[01:12] <randabis> HrdwrBoB ah, didn't know that
[01:12] <trey3> htaccess: yes
[01:12] <gwildor> anyone on hoary missing GAIM in the menu?
[01:12] <randabis> I just assumed it would be the new root password
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> se5a: try pressing escape just after the bios
[01:12] <trey3> gwildor: no
[01:12] <se5a> ok will try
[01:12] <htaccess> trey3: is there an install option to not install x or do i need to remove afterwards?
[01:12] <zAo^> X restart..
[01:12] <jintonic> so... how do i install a deb?
[01:12] <trey3> htaccess: 'expert'
[01:13] <randabis> dpkg -i foo.deb
[01:13] <gwildor> trey3, yesterday when i upgraded gaim was upgraded, also i use fluxbox.....1 of those could be the problem
[01:13] <mchasard> no gaim in hoary ? is it possible ?
[01:13] <trey3> htaccess: although its kinda over the top hard... lets you pic which packages are installed...
[01:13] <gwildor> mchasard, its just not in my fluxbox menu anymore
[01:13] <ogra> htaccess: the "custom" install
[01:13] <trey3> gwildor: you have 'menu' installed?
[01:13] <gwildor> trey3, let me look
[01:13] <trey3> gwildor: should take care of it...
[01:13] <htaccess> and what is the support time for ubuntu ie when will security fixes for warty?
[01:14] <jintonic> gaim in warty is neglecting to add some of my  groups in my buddy list for yahoo
[01:14] <ogra> htaccess: 18 months from the releasedate
[01:14] <gwildor> trey3, ni do have it installed
[01:14] <htaccess> trey3: ogra how do i select the custom/expert install methiod?
[01:14] <tidalwav> k blacklisted the modules, now restarting
[01:14] <ogra> htaccess: type: custom at the bootscreen
[01:14] <mchasard> is there another universal messenger ?
[01:14] <gwildor> trey3, im gonna upgrade again....
[01:14] <trey3> jintonic: you're sure? Buddies > Check "show empty groups" and "show offline buddies"...
[01:15] <htaccess> ogra: thanks
[01:15] <ngh> Im lost... and I dont want to go back to suse :/
[01:15] <trey3> htaccess: at the first screen of the install... type 'expert'
[01:15] <stvn> ngh: what's the problem?
[01:15] <sri|work> become one with suse, you know you want to
[01:15] <lavigj> any good wireless guides for ubuntu/prismGT?
[01:15] <htaccess> what is the differenc between custom and expert?
[01:15] <jintonic> aha! thanks.. though that should've been ovbious :P
[01:15] <ogra> ngh: try: ps ax|grep gdm
[01:15] <ngh> :P
[01:15] <gwildor> stvn, beat me to it
[01:15] <gwildor> :)
[01:15] <tidalwav> stvn: his x is dead
[01:15] <trey3> sri|work: yes we do, thats why we're in #ubuntu... go away troll
[01:15] <sri|work> heh
[01:16] <ngh> ok
[01:16] <sri|work> wow, I think thats the first time I've been called that.
[01:16] <mchasard> ok i have to go i'll be back ...by
[01:16] <gwildor> later
[01:16] <tidalwav> pybe-lappy: I blacklisted the modules, so now it doesn't display any errors on boot after "starting hotplug subsystem" but it still takes 45 seconds to perform that task
[01:16] <pybe-lappy> ngh: was it working or dead from install?
[01:16] <tidalwav> is that normal?
[01:16] <stvn> ngh: tried killall gdm (or sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop) before restarting gdm?
[01:16] <trey3> htaccess: hmm... not sure... haven't tried custom...
[01:16] <randabis> hmm so I guess no one here uses a bootsplash then...
[01:16] <ogra> tidalwav: yep
[01:17] <ngh> done
[01:17] <tidalwav> WHY? That is awful
[01:17] <pybe-lappy> tidalwav: i had the same problem with 3 modules but no 45second pause
[01:17] <trey3> htaccess: expert even asks you about modules for the installer though... (udebs)
[01:17] <ogra> ngh: did you get an answer ?
[01:17] <tidalwav> pybe: well what three modules caused YOU problems
[01:17] <pybe-lappy> tidalwav: the whole thing boots real quick
[01:17] <pybe-lappy> tidalwav: hw_random pciehp shpsomthing
[01:17] <htaccess> trey3: i think i will try custom
[01:18] <trey3> htaccess: :)
[01:18] <ogra> tidalwav: do you have many devices in your computer ?
[01:18] <tidalwav> pybe: it just says "starting hotplug" for a while :p
[01:18] <tidalwav> ogra: not really, but I do have a USB soundcard
[01:18] <ngh> it says3444 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/gdm and second line 4033 tty1 s+ 0:00 grep gdm
[01:18] <se5a> HrdwrBoB: esc didnt do anything, I just get lilo (version#) loading linux...
[01:18] <pybe-lappy> tidalwav: mine just goes on quite fast
[01:18] <Quest-Master> Anyone? How can I change the Python symlink in /usr/bin to point to python2.3 instead of 2.4?
[01:18] <trey3> ogra: you know... technically a keyboard counts as a device... so thats a realy quite silly question  :P
[01:18] <ogra> tidalwav: that may take some time to probe for....
[01:18] <tidalwav> ogra: I also have a USB hub with one thing plugged into it
[01:18] <sri|work> is hoary switching to 2.6.10?
[01:19] <trey3> sri: eventually I'm sure...
[01:19] <pybe-lappy> tidalwav: try booting with them unplugged see if its quicker
[01:19] <ogra> ngh: so now: ps ax|grep X
[01:19] <sri|work> wierd.
[01:19] <ngh> ok
[01:19] <tidalwav> pybe: okay, but then will my soundcard get messed up the next time I restart?
[01:19] <ogra> sri|work: only for hoary
[01:19] <trey3> sri|work: umm... I think that answers your question? although I don't recall and upgrade of kernel?
[01:19] <pybe-lappy> tidalwav: dunno never used usb sc
[01:19] <sri|work> trey3, me neither, which is why I was puzzled.
[01:20] <ngh> ogra: same as previous secon line but with X at the end
[01:20] <sri|work> I remember checking yesterday or something and 2.6.10 didn't even have a nonfree module pkg yet.
[01:20] <ngh> ups, and 4037
[01:20] <ogra> ngh:  but nothing else ?
[01:20] <tidalwav> pybe: stupid six year old dell
[01:20] <tidalwav> lol
[01:20] <pybe-lappy> =)
[01:20] <ngh> nope
[01:20] <stvn> ogra: if X crashes, gdm keeps running IIRC
[01:20] <ogra> ngh: ok, first do: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:20] <trey3> sri|work: well... yes, its in... but not default for linux-image-386 yet I guess...
[01:21] <ogra> ngh: then: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:21] <ogra> ngh: and answer the questions....
[01:21] <sri|work> too late to check whether I installed it before.
[01:21] <sri|work> I would think I would know if I installed a new kernel :-)
[01:21] <sri|work> bah, mono-assemblies is still broken
[01:22] <ngh> ok, Im into config now
[01:23] <ogra> sri|work: there is no upstream fix yet i heard today :(
[01:24] <sri|work> ogra, yeah, that kinda sucks..I have no way to revert back
[01:24] <se5a> anyone have any ideas about lilo not giving options for which OS to boot at startup?
[01:24] <sri|work> ogra, which is also why I'm not upgrading to hoary at work..I'm using tomboy heavily
[01:24] <ogra> sri|work: so why not use tsengs tomboy on warty ?
[01:25] <tidalwav> pybe: unplugging soundcard didn't do it
[01:25] <sri|work> ogra, oh..thats true, I could just set "warty" instead of "unstable"
[01:25] <tidalwav> btw, for future reference, is there a way to manually rerun the ubuntu installer's automatic X configuration?
[01:25] <pybe-lappy> tidalwav: weird maybe check the forums and google
[01:25] <ogra> sri|work: look at the wiki at the breakmyubuntu site, there is tomboy for warty
[01:25] <ngh> ogra: it asks for my video card bus identifier,what should I do?? ok?
[01:26] <ogra> ngh: you can switch to another console with alt-f2, login there and type lspci .... look for VGA
[01:26] <ogra> ngh: then switch back with alt-f1
[01:27] <ngh> ok
[01:28] <jintonic> how do i edit file associations in gnome?
[01:29] <ngh> and I type all the bunch of numbers before my card description?
[01:29] <ogra> ngh: usuall something like: 01:00:00
[01:30] <ngh> yes, that's it and before those are 0000, I skip those?
[01:30] <ngh> the 4 0's I mean
[01:30] <ogra> ngh: yup
[01:30] <ngh> ok
[01:31] <ogra> ngh: if it is wrong X will complain about it on startup ;)
[01:31] <benjami> hi
[01:31] <se5a> is there a way to get ubuntu to automaticly chech for updates and install them like it did when I installed? (it was not able to connect to the net when I installed)
[01:31] <sri|work> ogra, whats the deb line for htat?
[01:31] <lavigj> is there a quick way to play a wav file in the default install?
[01:32] <ogra> sri|work: its on the site....
[01:32] <sri|work> ogra, for the http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu
[01:32] <benjami> gnome wont start after an apt-get upgrade, is just see the grey screen
[01:32] <ogra> sri|work: no idea, i dont use backports, i find them silly
[01:32] <sri|work> I have:eb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports-staging main universe
[01:32] <pybe-lappy> se5a: get apt-watc
[01:32] <sri|work> but it has a IGN when I do an apt-get update
[01:32] <pybe-lappy> se5a: get apt-watch
[01:33] <benjami> how to configure the default window-manager?
[01:33] <jram> hi. im trying to boot up and its saying /dev/console . Kernel Panic! and just stops
[01:33] <sri|work> ogra, I agree with you.  :) (about it being silly)
[01:33] <ogra> sri|work: ign means no updates there
[01:33] <jram> sorry... Unable to open /dev/console
[01:33] <pybe-lappy> jram: nice
[01:33] <trey3> ogra: if you're not using warty/libc5, I don't really get it either...
[01:33] <jram> what can i do to try and fix this?
[01:33] <trey3> pybe-lappy: ewww @ recommending gtk1.2 apps
[01:34] <benjami> jram you have an initrd image for the kernel?
[01:34] <sri|work> ogra, ah, oaky.
[01:34] <jram> benjami: no just the original cd
[01:34] <sri|work> I think I got it wrong, I think this is hoary backports to warty
[01:34] <benjami> jram you compiled youre own kernel?
[01:34] <jram> no
[01:34] <pybe-lappy> trey3: what do i care it sits in the panel and checks for updates
[01:34] <trey3> pybe-lappy: although thats something I would like to see for Ubuntu in the future  :)
[01:34] <ngh> ogra, before I mess thie up :P where it asks my pCI bus identifier theres already written "PCI:1:0:0" I have to add 01:00.0 ?
[01:35] <ogra> ngh: oh, no
[01:35] <pybe-lappy> trey3: whats bad about it
[01:35] <trey3> pybe-lappy: I just dislike even having those libs installed...
[01:35] <ogra> ngh: just leave it.. it will be the autodetected value
[01:35] <pybe-lappy> trey3: why
[01:35] <ngh> ok
[01:35] <trey3> pybe-lappy: imo worst toolkit on earth behind motif...
[01:35] <jram> is there a repair program on the cd?
[01:36] <NotPovRayMan> I've been playing with the Ubuntu live cd and I've enjoyed it a lot, so now I went and downloaded the Installer cd image and burned it.  A problem I've had with the live cd is that my old motherboard has to have NODMA turned on when booting ubuntu live.  So now when I'm trying to install it with the installer cd, it gets as far as detecting hardware and then just sits at a blue screen with a grey bar on bottom.
[01:36] <pybe-lappy> trey3: so how does it affect me as a user?
[01:36] <randabis> jram not exactly
[01:36] <pybe-lappy> NotPovRayMan: woa easy on the esay
[01:36] <ogra> ngh: in principle it is all filled with auto values, just check if they match the reality
[01:36] <NotPovRayMan> Did I type too much? did it get cut off?
[01:36] <jram> can i do a reinstall w/o formatting?
[01:36] <randabis> when it gets to the partition screen you can CTRL ALT F2 and get a root console though
[01:36] <trey3> pybe-lappy: bah... I just commented... sorry
[01:36] <pybe-lappy> NotPovRayMan: thats the biggest paragraph i have seen in irc for ages
[01:36] <jram> can i apt-get remove kernel image and reinstall it?
[01:36] <randabis> from there you can chroot, etc
[01:36] <NotPovRayMan> Hehe
[01:37] <randabis> yeah I think so
[01:37] <sri|work> ogra, that worked thanks!
[01:37] <pybe-lappy> trey3: sorry tone doesnt come across well in text, im interested to know
[01:37] <trey3> pybe-lappy: hah... I was gonna say that  :P
[01:37] <pybe-lappy> NotPovRayMan: did you boot with nodma for the install?
[01:38] <NotPovRayMan> i might have
[01:38] <NotPovRayMan> i'm not sure what the correct line would be
[01:38] <NotPovRayMan> i tried linux nodma.. linux ide=nodma .. linux dma=off
[01:38] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: there are plenty of help pages if you hit f2 ;)
[01:38] <pybe-lappy> check the f1 etc info, but i expect linux nodma or similar
[01:38] <NotPovRayMan> i went through those and they didn't say exactly
[01:39] <pybe-lappy> NotPovRayMan: might be worth giving ubuntuforums a quick search
[01:40] <NotPovRayMan> well it makes it ways through the hardware detect to 100%
[01:40] <NotPovRayMan> but then it goes to a blank bluescreen with grey bar on bottom
[01:40] <NotPovRayMan> i'm not entirely sure if it ends up being an ide problem
[01:41] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: switch to alt-f4, there is the log
[01:41] <IBOIC> omg
[01:41] <trey3> ogra: that only works if you're already on a terminal  ;P
[01:41] <NotPovRayMan> i'm doing this to a computer next to me
[01:41] <ogra> trey3: installer
[01:41] <NotPovRayMan> ok its at the blue screen and i just alt-f4'ed it
[01:42] <trey3> ohhh... bah
[01:42] <trey3> so wait... what was IBIOC's problem?
[01:42] <NotPovRayMan> it's got a lot to text obviously, but what should I mention?
[01:42] <NotPovRayMan> Woah it just freaked out and spammed a lot
[01:42] <NotPovRayMan> Kernel Panic Fatal Execeptiopn in interrupt
[01:42] <NotPovRayMan> haha
[01:42] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: sounds like acpi :)
[01:43] <NotPovRayMan> That time I tried to run linux pci=noacpi
[01:43] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: nolapic may also be an option to try
[01:43] <NotPovRayMan> nolapic?
[01:43] <ogra> no local apic (apic = interrupt controller)
[01:44] <NotPovRayMan> ok running now
[01:44] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: you can also try combinations ;)
[01:45] <NotPovRayMan> hmm so i should have done pci=nolacpi and pci=noacpi
[01:45] <ogra> nope
[01:45] <NotPovRayMan> to make this simple, what should be my line
[01:45] <NotPovRayMan> oh wait the installer said to do linux acpi=off
[01:45] <NotPovRayMan> i'll try that
[01:45] <ogra> no idea, but a combination or one of: noacpi nolapic pci=noacpi
[01:46] <ogra> yay
[01:46] <NotPovRayMan> lets see if it goes now
[01:46] <ogra> same as noacpi
[01:46] <NotPovRayMan> nope
[01:46] <NotPovRayMan> when i alt-f4 the last line reads
[01:46] <NotPovRayMan> Searching for Ubuntu installation on media...
[01:47] <NotPovRayMan> the cdrom quickly powers down
[01:47] <NotPovRayMan> wait 20-30 secs, kernel panic
[01:47] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: which cd image is this
[01:47] <NotPovRayMan> warty, latest i suppose
[01:48] <NotPovRayMan> i'll try disabling acpi in bios if possible
[01:48] <mindphasr> Can someone tell me why my cursor blinks when in firefox?
[01:48] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: warty-install-i386.iso ?
[01:48] <NotPovRayMan> yes
[01:48] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: at which speed did you burn it ? (shouldnt be faster the 8x)
[01:49] <ogra> then
[01:49] <NotPovRayMan> 32x probably
[01:49] <ogra> oh
[01:49] <NotPovRayMan> i don't see how/why that would be an issue
[01:49] <jintonic> last night i installed ubuntu, restarted a few times and everything was fine, then setup x and got it working fine, now i just rebooted and the keyboard and mouse are unresponsive even in terminal
[01:49] <ogra>  NotPovRayMan: it is, belive me
[01:49] <NotPovRayMan> isn't that burning at a high rate just a techie urban legend
[01:49] <NotPovRayMan> like audio eltists who rag on about "burning in" headphones
[01:49] <NotPovRayMan> or cpu's
[01:50] <ogra>  NotPovRayMan: there is a media test option, extra for impatient people that needed to burn faster ;) use it
[01:50] <NotPovRayMan> i ran memtest the other day
[01:50] <lavigj> does "mgmt tx queue is still full" mean anything to anyone?
[01:50] <NotPovRayMan> let it run for like 18 hours
[01:50] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: _media_ test
[01:51] <NotPovRayMan> then i realized when it said test 28 it was looping
[01:51] <NotPovRayMan> i know what you said, ogra, I'm just saying how I ran memtest the other day
[01:51] <jintonic> ubuntu is not accepting keyboard/mouse input even in command line... pressing the num lock button doesn't even do anything
[01:51] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: yep...
[01:51] <randabis> man...I wish I could figure out my my bootsplash isn't working right
[01:52] <jintonic> i'm in the recovery mode kernel, same story
[01:52] <randabis> my shutdown bootsplash works, but my startup bootsplash doesn't
[01:52] <NotPovRayMan> trying to run mediatest under boot doesn't work, so should it be "linux mediatest" ?
[01:53] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: look in the helpfiles, i dont know the exact synatx (i always burn bootables at 4x)
[01:53] <NotPovRayMan> of course I scan through those before asking here ;-)
[01:53] <jintonic> even recovery mode using the original kernel doesn't work :-/
[01:53] <ngh> ogra: ok, I've finished, now I start gdm?
[01:54] <ogra> ngh: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[01:54] <ngh> ok
[01:55] <ngh> same error =/ dont know what is happening, it flashes 3 times then it says x cannot start
[01:56] <ogra> ngh: but it offers you the log....look at the last lines
[01:58] <ngh> let me see
[02:00] <ngh> it says "would you like to view the x server output" that?
[02:00] <ogra> ngh: look at the output
[02:00] <ngh> Im there but only gives nfo about XFree86 the website, version, etc
[02:00] <jintonic> this is weird :-/ i rebooted again... this time pressing num lock over and over and over to try to figure out at what point communication is lost but there's no error this time..... i reboot again and everything is fine........ weird
[02:01] <ogra> ngh: scroll down
[02:03] <ogra> jintonic: smells like buggy hardware
[02:04] <ngh> nope, no scrooll down, IM going to install again and will let you know what happens then
[02:05] <ogra> ngh: i will be in bed then, its 2am here :)
[02:05] <ngh> thank you very much for all your help, you have been very patient =)
[02:05] <ngh> ok, maybe Ill see you tomorrow =)
[02:05] <ogra> ngh: did you already edit the config file by hand ?
[02:05] <ogra> ngh: the reconfigure tool doesnt write to a manually changed file
[02:05] <ngh> the blue screen with the options?
[02:06] <ogra> ngh: thats the tool....i mean did you edit it in an editor ?
[02:06] <ngh> nope
[02:06] <ogra> ngh: then the tool would have been useless
[02:07] <ngh> aahh, and I almost trow my lap to trash :P but dont know how to, with edit?
[02:07] <ogra> ngh: ok...
[02:07] <jintonic> buggy hardware or buggy hardware abstraction....
[02:07] <setite> help me
[02:07] <setite> im stuck in windows
[02:07] <setite> ubuntu wont boot
[02:08] <setite> anyone want to help
[02:08] <setite> i hate windows... this is not right
[02:08] <ngh> sorry, but Im used to automated OS and Im sick of those so I want to learn :P
[02:08] <setite> ogra
[02:08] <setite> someone
[02:08] <setite> i had a power outage while i was asleep i think... and now ubuntu wont boot
[02:08] <ogra> ngh: no, its just the right approach to go with ubuntu then....
[02:08] <ngh> where is the config file wich I have to replace/edit?
[02:09] <ogra> ngh: no, dont edit it...
[02:09] <setite> when the login should show up the screen looks sorta like those ugly public broadcast screens
[02:09] <setite> a bunch of lines in fruity colors
[02:09] <setite> whats up withthat
[02:09] <randabis> hah
[02:09] <ogra> ngh: rather try: sudo xf86cfg
[02:09] <randabis> sorry, that's just funny
[02:09] <setite> and safemode is not like the windows safemode so i dont know how to fix it
[02:09] <ngh> ok
[02:09] <setite> its not funny... windows sucks!
[02:10] <ogra> ngh: just run it, go with the pad keys to the quit button and save the setting
[02:11] <setite> ok ogra... do you have any idea whats wrong with my ubuntu
[02:11] <ogra> ngh: you shouldnt need to change anything...
[02:11] <ogra> setite: i would ave said anything if i had an idea
[02:11] <setite> damnit
[02:11] <ngh> ok, then I assume that running this app loads what I did previously by default?
[02:12] <setite> everyone wake up... this must have happened to one of you before
[02:12] <ogra> ngh: it runs a detection and starts an X server with the detected settings
[02:12] <ogra> ngh: in this just click quit and say yes to the "save file" dialog
[02:12] <ngh> ok, I quit then right?
[02:13] <ogra> ngh: if this still doesnt work, run it again and save the file in your home dir or to /tmp and copy it over to the right place later
[02:13] <ngh> ok, done
[02:14] <ogra> ngh: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[02:14] <lavigj> clear
[02:14] <ngh> ok
[02:14] <lavigj> sorry
[02:14] <nwp_> setite: could be that your X config is screwed, or your video card is partially fried, or your X is corrupted on disk, or...
[02:14] <lavigj> IT'
[02:16] <luc1f3r> What is the command to copy the contents of a folder to a location?
[02:17] <luc1f3r> it's a simple question, but i can't remember
[02:17] <setite> nwp.. but i got into windows fine
[02:17] <setite> so i dont imagine its the card
[02:17] <setite> i figure something is corrupted
[02:17] <setite> but how do i fix it
[02:17] <setite> is there a rescue feature on the install cd?
[02:18] <setite> or is there something i could do from safemode
[02:19] <randabis> luc1f3r
[02:19] <randabis> cp /foo /foo
[02:19] <nomade> salut  tous, je suis nouvel utilisateur de ubuntu :)
[02:20] <Wulf_> hi
[02:20] <magnon> nomade: congratulations on your selection and hi to you too, but I think this is mainly an english speaking channel
[02:21] <setite> use altavista.com's babelfish to translate roughly
[02:21] <randabis> haha
[02:21] <ogra> setite: if you didnt edit your X config manually you could try to reconfigure your X server (make a copy of the file before)
[02:21] <Wulf_> where can I do network settings in ubuntu like /etc/network/interfaces in debian?
[02:21] <setite> while i try and find the ubuntu install to save my ubuntu
[02:21] <randabis> setite, there's probably something you can do, but I'm not sure
[02:21] <nwp_> setite: you could just try forcing a reinstall of the X server stuff
[02:21] <setite> ogra... what do you mean if i didnt edit manually
[02:22] <randabis> Wulf_ Computer --> System Configuration --> Network
[02:22] <setite> you mean if this si not my fault right... due to me being stupid again
[02:22] <setite> nah i learned me lesson last time
[02:22] <randabis> unless you want a text mode command
[02:22] <setite> i havent touched it
[02:22] <nwp_> apt-get reinstall --install xserver-xfree86  might be worth a try. assuming it's the same package as on debian
[02:22] <ngh> ogra: is there a way of editing the resolutions? the native for my lap is 1280 * 800 but when choosing it doesnt exist
[02:22] <ogra> setite: there is a checksum mechanism that prevents every tool from changing the config if you editet it
[02:22] <setite> it was running fine... when i wake up... its not running anymore because of the power outage and now it cant boot
[02:22] <setite> 1280x800!
[02:22] <setite> wtf
[02:22] <Wulf_> randabis: someone wants to run a command each time a network interface is to become running
[02:23] <nwp_> setite: how far does it get?
[02:23] <ogra> ngh: ahh, that may be the detection problem.....
[02:23] <ngh> im on a lap 15.5"
[02:23] <setite> ive never seen a resolution like that
[02:23] <nwp_> i.e. what happens in the boot process before it dies?
[02:23] <ngh> 15.4
[02:23] <Wulf_> pre-up in debian's config file
[02:23] <randabis> Wulf_ ah, well, I'm not sure
[02:23] <randabis> sorry
[02:23] <setite> nwp_ it loads everything but screws up when the ubuntu login should show up
[02:23] <randabis> I'm still pretty new to ubuntu/debian
[02:23] <nwp_> setite: so it has booted, but X is not working, right?
[02:23] <setite> it shows a bunch of distorted colums of varying colors
[02:23] <setite> appears so
[02:24] <luc1f3r> randabis: that didn't quite work
[02:24] <randabis> sounds bad
[02:24] <nwp_> setite: what happens if you press ctrl-alt-f1?
[02:24] <Wulf_> randabis: I don't use ubuntu at all :)
[02:24] <setite> something must have got messed up when the power went out
[02:24] <setite> i dunno want me to try
[02:24] <randabis> luc1f3r well, what didn't it do?
[02:24] <luc1f3r> randabis: I have a folder w/ files in it, and it's in the folder to which I want my files coppied
[02:24] <nwp_> yup. should get text console (again, assuming things are set up in the usual way)
[02:24] <setite> and what do i do from ther
[02:25] <setite> does the installer have a rescue/repair feature
[02:25] <ogra> ngh: look there for specific help...probably something for you is in it: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[02:25] <nwp_> well, it'll give us a little more information
[02:25] <setite> i fear anything else may be beyond me
[02:25] <luc1f3r> randabis: root@slack2005:/storage/music # cp /storage/music/cdrom0 /storage/music
[02:25] <luc1f3r> cp: omitting directory `/storage/music/cdrom0'
[02:25] <ngh> well, thank you for all your help ogra, has been a pleasure, im tired, see you tomorrow ppl
[02:25] <setite> ok then ill try that and come back
[02:25] <ogra> ciao
[02:25] <ZzeCoOl> cp -R
[02:25] <ZzeCoOl> will do the job
[02:25] <randabis> oh
[02:25] <luc1f3r> ZzeCoOl: it doesn't work
[02:25] <randabis> add -r -d
[02:25] <luc1f3r> okay, i'll try that
[02:26] <ogra> luc1f3r: cp -a
[02:26] <nwp_> setite: then log in at the text console and try "apt-get reinstall --install xserver-xfree86" (as root)
[02:26] <randabis> so cp -r -d /foo /newfoo
[02:26] <randabis> or -a
[02:26] <randabis> whichever
[02:26] <binReapr> later
[02:26] <setite> so can i do that from safemode?
[02:26] <ZzeCoOl> -R works for me fine :)
[02:26] <luc1f3r> randabis: the problem is that the folder is already in the target directory
[02:26] <randabis> yes you can
[02:26] <luc1f3r> I don't want to copy the folder, i just want to copy the contents
[02:26] <binReapr> before I go, when is the nex ubuntu release?
[02:27] <setite> in 2006
[02:27] <setite> they want to get all the bugs out
[02:27] <randabis> -a does all contents of the folder right?
[02:27] <ZzeCoOl> luc1f3r: use cp with *
[02:27] <setite> haha jp
[02:27] <randabis> 06? I thought april/may this year?
[02:27] <ogra> luc1f3r: cp -a /foo/folder/* /bar/target/
[02:27] <setite> i know it wasnt funny but i had too
[02:27] <luc1f3r> ah
[02:27] <randabis> wb bretzel
[02:27] <luc1f3r> gotcha
[02:27] <setite> to*
[02:27] <randabis> I got bootsplash working
[02:27] <binReapr> later
[02:27] <randabis> but I have a weird problem
[02:27] <ogra> bah bootsplash
[02:28] <luc1f3r> yeah, that's working
[02:28] <randabis> the shutdown bootsplash works, but not the startup
[02:28] <bretzel> hi randabis
[02:28] <ZzeCoOl> bootsplash :>
[02:28] <ZzeCoOl> they have this default in SuSE
[02:28] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:28] <randabis> yeah I'd like usplash too, but gotta make due
[02:28] <luc1f3r> thanks guys
[02:28] <randabis> I wish I could just figure out why my startup bootsplash isn't working
[02:28] <ogra> randabis: what for ? do you have any deadline ?
[02:29] <bretzel> Anyone knows howto make vfat partitions writeable by users ?
[02:29] <setite> nwp - so i should do that from the text thing... but can i do it from the safemode line
[02:29] <randabis> no, I just want my bootsplash NOW... :p
[02:29] <Qerub> What happens in Ubuntu (Warty and Hoary) when the user double-clicks a .deb in Nautilus?
[02:29] <ogra> randabis: bah
[02:29] <randabis> it gives you an error
[02:29] <nomasteryoda> setite, yes
[02:29] <Qerub> bretzel: use dmask and fmask
[02:29] <nomasteryoda> setite, unlike winders, you have a full console
[02:29] <bretzel> ok looking at it
[02:29] <bretzel> thanks Qerub
[02:30] <nwp_> setite: anywhere you can get a prompt will do
[02:30] <setite> ok thanks... will do
[02:30] <bretzel> fmask ? what is that ( dmask is directory ? )
[02:30] <camh> anyone got hotplug firmware loading with the warty live CD?
[02:30] <Qerub> bretzel: iirc, dmask=000, fmask=111
[02:31] <bretzel> ha didn't know that ( :-)
[02:31] <ogra> bretzel: file
[02:31] <Qerub> bretzel: man mount has all the info you need
[02:31] <se5a> now I have apt-watch, how do I use it?
[02:31] <Qerub> bretzel: file mask
[02:31] <bretzel> editing fstab
[02:31] <Qerub> bretzel: you don't want all your files to be +x
[02:32] <bretzel> Qerub: isn't by default +x ?
[02:32] <broodster> what's the best irc client for ubuntu???
[02:32] <randabis> I like xchat
[02:32] <tolstoy_> When I use a vnc viewer from windows to ubuntu, how can I get "gnome" to come up if I go to the :1 version?
[02:32] <randabis> some like bitchx
[02:32] <ogra> broodster: the one thats installed
[02:32] <randabis> there really is no "best"
[02:32] <tolstoy_> If I enter gnome-session, I get "already running gnome session".  (Which I am on the console.)
[02:33] <mxpxpod> is there a reason after using a certain theme for a long time and trying to switch it, gnome-settings-daemon needs to be restarted to switch?
[02:33] <ogra> tolstoy_: did you start vino (the vnc server included in gnome) ?
[02:34] <randabis> well, I'll brb
[02:34] <tolstoy_> yeah.  Hm.  I was trying to connect to :1 rather than "control" :0.
[02:34] <ogra> randabis: in the desktop preferences
[02:34] <ogra> randabis: oops sorry
[02:35] <randabis> eh?
[02:35] <randabis> hehe
[02:36] <tolstoy_> I'd love to have something like "terminal services" but from windows to linux.
[02:36] <ogra> night all it think its time for bed (muddling the nicks is a bad sign)
[02:37] <tolstoy_> works like a charm in fedora, for some reason.
[02:37] <bretzel> Qerub: Thank you very much :-) it work as you told
[02:38] <tolstoy_> apt-get vncserver and it seems a lot faster, too.  plus I can tell it what resolution to use.
[02:40] <luc1f3r> ZzeCoOl: how do i remove a directory when it gives me an error that the dir isn't empty?
[02:41] <ZzeCoOl> rm -R
[02:42] <luc1f3r> ZzeCoOl: thanks
[02:42] <ZzeCoOl> np
[02:45] <tolstoy_> and no man page for vino-server
[02:48] <tolstoy_> okay. so what I want is to use vnc to give me another running session rather than sharing the existing desktop.  hm.  I think vino is only for that one purpose.
[02:49] <bretzel> Have to leave this computer for my wife -- g'night all :-(
[02:50] <ZzeCoOl> http://homepage.mac.com/demark/tsunami/9.html (tsunami photos)
[02:50] <ZzeCoOl> http://homepage.mac.com/demark/tsunami/9.html (tsunami photos)
[02:50] <aToaster> can anyone recommend me a good GUI ftp client?
[02:50] <ZzeCoOl> gftp
[02:50] <jdub> tolstoy_: use vncserver
[02:51] <aToaster> ZzeCoOl, thanks
[02:51] <ZzeCoOl> np
[02:51] <tolstoy_> jdub, i've got that installed. When I start it up, it goes to :1.  When I connect to that, I get an X root window and  a gnome-terminal.  No gnome-session.  Must I log in as a different user?
[02:52] <jdub> tolstoy_: search google for "vnc gdm slug jdub"
[02:52] <jdub> tolstoy_: that should give you a nice recipe for doing this very sexily
[02:52] <jdub> tolstoy_: with gdm
[02:52] <tolstoy_> gnome-session & -> you're already running a session manager. ;)
[02:52] <tolstoy_> okay, will do.
[02:53] <tolstoy_> sounds good.  I was just looking at the inetd stuff.  I wonder if fedora does that by default.  Don't have a running instance to check.
[02:54] <aToaster> can I run cedega well off the vesa drivers?
[02:54] <Wulf_> aToaster: vesa drivers aren't 3d accelerated
[02:54] <Wulf_> should work.. but slow... ;-)
[02:55] <aToaster> I've been having a hard time trying to get the ATI drivers to work, I just get a blank screen when it opens gnome, and I usually end up reinstalling ubuntu
[02:55] <Wulf_> aToaster: I'm still waiting for new ati drivers which will be compatible to linux-2.6.10
[02:56] <aToaster> having an ATI seems to be a curse =/ spent too much money on this card not to use it
[02:57] <aToaster> guess I'll just have to go to windows for my fix of WoW then... =/
[02:57] <jintonic> my ati radeon 9200 was ok to install, not autodetected by ubuntu tho
[02:57] <Wulf_> for WoW you won't need cedega imvho as WoW supports opengl
[02:57] <mxpxpod> does scrolling horizontally work in X?
[02:57] <ZzeCoOl> Wulf_: 3.14.6 must work with 2.6.10
[02:57] <Wulf_> ZzeCoOl: it does not
[02:58] <Randabis> ati just needs to write better linux drivers period
[02:58] <aToaster> so. can you just pop the cd in and install it on linux? don't really know how that works
[02:58] <ZzeCoOl> when you type fglrxinfo what u get?
[02:58] <Wulf_> *** Warning: "pci_find_class" [/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/fglrx.ko]  undefined!
[02:58] <ZzeCoOl> axmm
[02:59] <Wulf_> aToaster: wine
[02:59] <Wulf_> aToaster: cedega is wine + directx emulation
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> erm
[03:00] <aToaster> ic
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> not quite that simple
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> wine is used to run windows programs
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> it runs some games
[03:00] <ZzeCoOl> Wulf_: do u use cedega?
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> cedega is a commercial program
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> built to run games
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> based on wine
[03:01] <Wulf_> HrdwrBoB: I played starcraft several years ago with wine
[03:01] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[03:01] <HrdwrBoB> I play WoW currently with cedega
[03:01] <jintonic> hrm... when i do fglrxinfo it says Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:01] <aToaster> so cedega would emulate more efficiently than wine?
[03:01] <broodster> does divx support ubuntu?
[03:01] <lavigj> has anyone had a problem with wifi along the lines of "mgmt tx queue is stil full"?
[03:01] <aToaster> what video card do you have HrdwrBoB?
[03:01] <Wulf_> HrdwrBoB: I live in europe, still waiting for `final beta'
[03:01] <HrdwrBoB> Nvidia FX5700
[03:01] <ZzeCoOl> guys do you have cedega with default configuration?
[03:02] <lavigj> anyone? please?
[03:02] <Wulf_> ZzeCoOl: used it to play diablo 2
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> no cedega is a commercial product
[03:02] <broodster> cedega doesnt support amd 64 =[
[03:02] <Wulf_> but did not try `wine diablo2.exe -opengl'
[03:02] <aToaster> do you use cosmos ui HrdwrBoB?
[03:02] <broodster> and amd 64 and ati radeon and ubuntu dont mix o_O
[03:02] <aToaster> or can you use cosmos is the question
[03:02] <Wulf_> cosmos ui should be forbidden, because of this thottbot issue
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> aToaster: no, I tried to access their website the other day and it was down
[03:03] <aToaster> what thottbot issue?
[03:03] <Randabis> you can compile cedega from cvs for free
[03:03] <ZzeCoOl> HrdwrBoB: do you use the default cedega configuration.....ordid you edit something?
[03:03] <Wulf_> they publish character details on their internet page
[03:03] <Wulf_> without the consent of the players
[03:03] <Randabis> and if you need something like point2play, there's an alternative
[03:03] <Randabis> called grapevine
[03:03] <HrdwrBoB> ZzeCoOl: default I think, I haven't changed it for ages
[03:03] <HrdwrBoB> what exactly IS cosmosui
[03:03] <ZzeCoOl> what is the diff between cedega and point2play?
[03:04] <aToaster> Wulf_, ah right, but I find that it's become really helpful for me, having the extra menu bar makes things so much easier
[03:04] <HrdwrBoB> point2play is a front end for cedega
[03:04] <Randabis> point2play is the program that allows you to easily install games
[03:04] <Randabis> or a frontend
[03:04] <ZzeCoOl> ok
[03:04] <Randabis> like I said, there's a free alternative to it called grapevine
[03:04] <ZzeCoOl> the only problem with cedega is the stupid fonts that they use
[03:04] <jintonic> hrm, is there any way to get gnome to not do that crap where it opens a new window for every folder?
[03:04] <Wulf_> aToaster: I'm planning to build a UI for my clan when I can play WoW at last
[03:05] <Randabis> yes
[03:05] <IBOIC> key signing party :)
[03:05] <IBOIC> ubuntu uses pgp :)
[03:05] <aToaster> Wulf_, what video card do you have?
[03:05] <Randabis> you edit your file/folder preferences
[03:05] <aToaster> Anyone know if the x800 will work with the current ATI drivers?
[03:05] <Wulf_> aToaster: thinkpad t42p, comes with ati radeon mobility t2, 128 mb graphics ram
[03:05] <Randabis> I think it's Computer --> Desktop Configuration --> File Management
[03:06] <Randabis> yes, the x800 is supported as far as I know
[03:06] <Randabis> it'll run like a FX5200 though lol
[03:06] <Randabis> or x300
[03:06] <jintonic> aha! "always open in browser windows"
[03:06] <Randabis> ati's drivers just suck
[03:06] <aToaster> oh, off topic question, if I want to change my root password its "sudo passwd root" right?  I don't think it should be the same as my regular use passwd,
[03:06] <Randabis> yess
[03:07] <Wulf_> I don't think any ati card will work with current linux kernel
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> aToaster: it is not the same
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> aToaster: it is currently *disabled*
[03:07] <gwildor> hello?
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> sudo password is YOUR password
[03:07] <Wulf_> hi gwildor ;-)
[03:07] <aToaster> HrdwrBoB, ah... isn't that a risk though?
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> not really
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> who knows your passworD?
[03:07] <gwildor> hi wulf_, i was really just testing....thnx :)
[03:07] <broodster> does anyone know if there's ati drivers for amd 64 yet? with ubuntu that is
[03:07] <Randabis> Wulf_ maybe not, NVIDIA's had troubles too, but someone kindly provided a script that fixes the problem
[03:08] <Randabis> same with their nforce drivers
[03:08] <aToaster> HrdwrBoB, hrmm I guess, I though regular users should be seperated from the root
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> aToaster: they are
[03:08] <Wulf_> gwildor: test succeeded. you made to go online with your machine, connect to irc and write some useless messages :-)
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> aToaster: if you create another user it won't be able to be root
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> aToaster: and only you know your password
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> so it's no less secure than if only you knew your root password
[03:09] <aToaster> HrdwrBoB, ah hrmm, alright, guess I'm just too used to having two seperate pass's
[03:09] <Wulf_> aToaster: new ati drivers are announced for mid januar, hope it will come quick :)
[03:09] <broodster> will divx work ona amd 64?
[03:09] <HrdwrBoB> aToaster: yes :)
[03:10] <aToaster> Wulf_, yea, man I want to ditch Windows so badly
[03:10] <Randabis> I would if not for some games
[03:11] <Randabis> the laptop only runs ubuntu though
[03:11] <broodster> will divx work ona amd 64????
[03:11] <Wulf_> most games work with wine / cedega
[03:11] <aToaster> Know if Macromedia Flash is on linux?
[03:12] <Wulf_> my notebook does run debian/sid exclusive, I currently don't have any other machines. haven't used windows for about 4 years at all
[03:12] <HrdwrBoB> aToaster: yes it is
[03:12] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[03:12] <Wulf_> aToaster: there are at least two flash players, one from macromedia, works almost fine and some OSS player, didn't work for me at all
[03:13] <randabis> or you can download the linux flash player from macromedia
[03:13] <randabis> the install isn't too bad
[03:13] <tolstoy> jdub, no password for VNC_auth
[03:13] <HrdwrBoB> randabis: or you can get the package, which is the same thing
[03:14] <randabis> is it 7.0?
[03:14] <randabis> probably, just curious
[03:14] <setite> nope
[03:14] <aToaster> Oh, not flash players
[03:14] <setite> that didnt work
[03:14] <setite> kept getting errors... -- not known... reinstall not known etc
[03:14] <aToaster> I do websites part time so I need to make flash ; )
[03:14] <randabis> and flashplayer-mozilla is in multiverse isn't it?
[03:14] <jintonic> how would i tail the mouse's raw input?
[03:15] <randabis> if so then he'll have to add that repository
[03:15] <broodster> will divx work ona amd 64????
[03:15] <lavigj> can anyone help me with wifi?
[03:15] <Wulf_> jintonic: tail -f /dev/input/mice
[03:15] <Wulf_> lavigj: what exactly?
[03:15] <jintonic> thats what i thought but it didnt work
[03:15] <randabis> yeah wifi be broad
[03:16] <lavigj> Wulf_: I am having quite a bit of trouble getting my WG511 working. I keep getting "mgmt tx queue is still full" seemingly no matter what i do
[03:16] <Wulf_> jintonic: what kind of mouse do u use? usb? ps2? serial?
[03:16] <jintonic> i remembered to sudo it but there's still no data going through it
[03:16] <jintonic> usb via ps/2 port
[03:16] <Wulf_> jintonic: why not using without usb->ps2 adapter?
[03:16] <jintonic> in xfonfig i set it up at /dev/input/mice
[03:17] <Wulf_> lavigj: what driver?
[03:17] <jintonic> i am using a usb-> ps/2 adapter
[03:17] <lavigj> at the moment, I was trying the ndiswrapper with the netgear driver
[03:17] <Wulf_> lavigj: for my atheros chipset, linuxant was the only solution *sigh*
[03:17] <setite> nwp_ you there
[03:17] <setite> ogra
[03:17] <randabis> yeah, that sucks
[03:17] <setite> nomasteryoda
[03:17] <lavigj> Wulf_: damn. I have the PrismGT
[03:17] <randabis> I hate linuxant, but I have to use it
[03:17] <jintonic> so, functionally: it's a ps/2 mouse
[03:18] <randabis> stupid licensing crap
[03:18] <Wulf_> lavigj: I believe there are OSS drivers for prism
[03:18] <jintonic> and its working with it being defined as /dev/input/mice in xf86config
[03:18] <randabis> shouldn't have to pay for a friggen driver
[03:18] <lavigj> Wulf_: seemingly for everything but my revision. it is supposed to work...
[03:18] <Wulf_> madwifi works for me.. but about 90-95% packet loss
[03:18] <setite> anyone know how to fix the x server from command prompt
[03:18] <setite> 90-95... damn thats no good
[03:19] <Wulf_> jintonic: cat /dev/input/mice
[03:19] <randabis> you can edit the XF86Config-4 file
[03:19] <Wulf_> jintonic: anything happens when you push your mouse around?
[03:19] <randabis> nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[03:19] <jintonic> with cat /dev/input/mice it works
[03:19] <Wulf_> s/nano/vim/
[03:20] <lavigj> Wulf_: gah... I wouldn't call that working :)
[03:20] <randabis> yeah
[03:20] <setite> nano wano
[03:20] <randabis> oh might not be a caps on the x in x11
[03:20] <randabis> I forget
[03:20] <jintonic> wow... did some weird stuff to my x terminal tho
[03:20] <setite> anyone know how to fix the x server from command prompt
[03:20] <setite> if it helps one time i saw the loading cursor for an instant
[03:20] <Wulf_> jintonic: don't expect tail to work, I haven't checked yet but I believe it does fstat() or sth like this
[03:21] <setite> ogra
[03:21] <setite> nomasteryoda
[03:21] <setite> nwp_
[03:22] <jintonic> after doing cat /dev/input/mice in an x terminal the title of the window is set to whatever ascii values the mouse is sending and the user@domain:~ $ becomes the same kinda stuff
[03:22] <kapputu> hey how's everyone doing
[03:22] <kapputu> anyone here I know?
[03:23] <jintonic> opening another terminal everything appears to be fine, but interesting
[03:23] <Wulf_> kapputu: I'm an old friend of yours, do u remember me? ;-)
[03:23] <setite> kapputu you remember that one night right ;)
[03:23] <kapputu> oh yeah Wulf_, you owe me $500 don;t u?
[03:23] <Wulf_> jintonic: btw, what's your problem with the mouse?
[03:24] <jintonic> no problem, just playing with it
[03:24] <kapputu> yeah setite when I beat the crap out of u
[03:24] <Wulf_> kapputu: uhm... seems you're another kapputu and I'm another Wulf
[03:24] <setite> oh no you didnt
[03:24] <kapputu> Wulf_, but it's the same $500
[03:24] <setite> quit lying silly
[03:24] <setite> haha
[03:24] <tolstoy__> jdub, any tips on where I set my session password? do I have to do it as root?
[03:24] <kapputu> hey tolstoy__, hows u
[03:24] <setite> anyone know how to fix the x server from command prompt
[03:25] <setite> or how to reinstall ubuntu over itself
[03:25] <setite> i just want it back
[03:25] <Wulf_> setite: what u mean with this?
[03:25] <ironwolf> can you change id tags of mp3's in rhythm box?  If so, how?  If not, what do people use?
[03:25] <Wulf_> setite: what's wrong with X server?
[03:25] <setite> wulf with what
[03:25] <setite> i had a power outage
[03:25] <setite> and now after it says starting gnome display manager
[03:25] <Wulf_> this shouldn't break X
[03:25] <setite> i get blank screen... or a bunch of fruity colored bars
[03:25] <setite> like the PSAs on tv
[03:26] <kapputu> did u install it on a ext2 filesystem or ext3?
[03:26] <setite> ext2 i think
[03:26] <setite> whatever ubuntu did by default
[03:26] <Wulf_> setite: do u get a login prompt?
[03:26] <setite> no thats what i should get but instead i get the blank or messed up screen
[03:26] <kapputu> hmm that's the problem setite
[03:27] <setite> what!
[03:27] <setite> tell me please
[03:27] <kapputu> next time when you install Ubuntu install on a ext3 partition
[03:27] <setite> well it did it automatically
[03:27] <Wulf_> ubuntu uses apt, right?
[03:27] <setite> i figured it would do ext3
[03:27] <kapputu> yep
[03:27] <Wulf_> then maybe this might help: apt-get install --reinstall gdm
[03:27] <setite> ok so should
[03:27] <setite> so is that how it goes
[03:27] <setite> install --reinstall
[03:27] <kapputu> are you able to get to the command prompt?
[03:28] <setite> i can with safemode
[03:28] <setite> i was told earlier apt-get reinstall --install xserver-xfree86
[03:28] <randabis> I use Reiser
[03:28] <setite> but it kept giving me errors
[03:28] <kapputu> hmm you should be able to get to the command line even in normal mode
[03:28] <setite> i wanted to use reiser
[03:28] <setite> read that it was better
[03:28] <Wulf_> rasierfs? :)
[03:28] <setite> i tried CTRL+ALT+F1 and got nothing
[03:28] <randabis> lol
[03:29] <setite> why is that funny
[03:29] <jintonic> when i do fglrxinfo i get: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:29] <setite> were you fucking with me earlier?
[03:29] <jintonic> or when i try to start tux racer
[03:29] <Wulf_> jintonic: yeah.. not ati driver installed. vesa doesn't support glx
[03:29] <tolstoy__> arggghhh!!!! I never would have thought this VNC stuff would have been so old fashionedly unixy and hard to deal with!
[03:30] <setite> old fashionedly unixy eh
[03:30] <randabis> no
[03:30] <randabis> you can try CTRL ALT F2
[03:30] <setite> f1 or f2 damnit
[03:30] <Wulf_> ctrl-alt-f1 should be all right
[03:30] <tolstoy__> if you have to edit /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf, it's old fashioned.
[03:30] <jintonic> hrm, i don't think the ati drivers worked when i tried using them
[03:30] <randabis> F2 - F5 should work
[03:30] <randabis> all open different consoles
[03:31] <setite> well what console do i want
[03:31] <kapputu> I'm trying to find out if the x-server is corupted
[03:31] <randabis> any, doesn't matter
[03:31] <setite> if it doesn tmatter what is the difference
[03:31] <jintonic> er, hrm... i'm using fglrx, isn't that ati's driver?
[03:31] <setite> kapputu so its apt-get install --reinstall ... and not apt-get reinstall --install?
[03:32] <jintonic> i specified fglrx, not vesa
[03:32] <jintonic> vesa wouldn't work
[03:32] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> jintonic: type fglrxinfo
[03:32] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> if it says ati then it is ati's
[03:32] <Wulf_> jintonic: check if the kernel module is loaded. I guess it is NOT
[03:32] <jintonic> i did that, it outputs Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". like i said
[03:32] <Wulf_> jintonic: what kernel do u use?
[03:33] <setite> so should i use apt-get install --reinstall gdm?
[03:33] <jintonic> lsmod | grep gllsmod finds fglrx
[03:33] <setite> or apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xfree86
[03:33] <crimsun> jintonic: are you using hoary?
[03:33] <setite> or should i try one... then the other
[03:33] <jintonic> no, warty
[03:33] <crimsun> ah
[03:34] <jintonic> how do i figure out what kernel?
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> ok jintonic http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#bin
[03:34] <jintonic> i know its something i686
[03:34] <crimsun> uname -r
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> ok jintonic http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#bin
[03:34] <jintonic> 2.6.8.1-4-686
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> try this one it is the best guide around
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> and is the working one
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> it is ok for your kernel
[03:35] <setite> kapputu where did you go
[03:35] <jintonic> if it doesn't work and kills my xconfig i'll come nag at you, ok? :)
[03:35] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> jintonic: always keep an XFconfig backup
[03:35] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> just in case
[03:36] <Wulf_> uh.. gtk 2 bed, it's 03:35 local time, kind of drunken, have to get up in 6 hours. cu!
[03:36] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> here it is 04:36 local time
[03:36] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> :>
[03:36] <Wulf_> s/gtk/gtg/
[03:36] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> Greece
[03:36] <Wulf_> .de
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> ln -s /dev/ZzeCoOl   /nice/bed
[03:37] <jintonic> so what do i need, just http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-4.3.0-driver_3.14.6-1_i386.deb ?
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> no
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> go u at the top of the page and read
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> all the guide
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> before u do anything
[03:38] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> jintonic: where are u from?
[03:38] <tolstoy__> Okay. So.  Is it NOT a good idea to login via VNC to a machine in which you're already logged in at the console?  In other words, two running instances of Gnome for your one user?
[03:38] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> if we dont have very diff time i can help u tomorow
[03:38] <jintonic> i've seen that page before, how can i check to make sure i'm not already running those drivers?
[03:38] <tolstoy__> I get "you are already logged in" stuff.
[03:39] <jintonic> california, its about 7pm here
[03:39] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> wow
[03:39] <tolstoy__> And then my gnome-panel moves around the screen to match the lower resolution for the VNC session.
[03:39] <tolstoy__> Jess don't seem right.
[03:39] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> before u tru the guide you have to uninstall the older drivers
[03:40] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> california...it must  be very nice there
[03:40] <jintonic> yup, we have no idea what weather is
[03:41] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> u are very lucky
[03:41] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> i can only see california in movies
[03:41] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> :>
[03:41] <jintonic> hehe
[03:42] <jintonic> so how can i check to make sure i'm not replacing my driver with the same driver?
[03:42] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> when you type fglrxinfo...what do you get?
[03:42] <jintonic> i don't remember where i got the driver from but it was either that site, ati.com or apt-get
[03:43] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> type fglrxinfo plz and tell me the output
[03:43] <jintonic> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:43] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> wow
[03:43] <jintonic> it says that twice and Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual!
[03:43] <jintonic> and thats it
[03:43] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> nice :P
[03:44] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> go to synaptic
[03:44] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> and search about fglr
[03:44] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> fgl will do the job too
[03:44] <jintonic> same version
[03:45] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> did you find any fglrx cpackage installed?
[03:45] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> did you find any fglrx package installed?
[03:45] <jintonic> yes
[03:45] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> version?
[03:45] <jintonic> identical to the one on synaptic
[03:45] <jintonic> 2.6.8.1.3-5
[03:46] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> what?
[03:46] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> u are on synaptic now right?
[03:46] <jintonic> yes
[03:46] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> fglrx driver with 2.6.8.1.3-5 version?
[03:46] <jintonic> yes
[03:47] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> ahhmm ok
[03:47] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> remove it and then follow the guide i gave you step by step
[03:47] <jintonic> latest is 2.6.8.1.3-5 too
[03:47] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> i know
[03:47] <jintonic> if i remove it won't x stop working?
[03:47] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> no
[03:47] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> :>
[03:48] <jintonic> but i'm using fglrx driver as my video driver
[03:48] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> follow the guide i gave you from "3b. Binaries and down
[03:48] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> nooo im mistaken
[03:49] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> start the driver from the beggining
[03:49] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> the guide*
[03:49] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> :>
[03:49] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> i must sleep sorry
[03:49] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> 04:49 AM here
[03:49] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> zzecool
[03:51] <jintonic> hrm... why are x clipboards so sketchy? i add some stuff to the clipboard in one app then in another it doesn't know there's anything in the clipboard
[03:51] <setite> yay!
[03:52] <setite> apt-get install -reinstall xserver-xfree86 saved me
[03:52] <setite> im back in ubuntu
[03:52] <setite> and i didnt lose my resolution
[03:52] <tolstoy__> well, it's official.  ubunto and vnc do not mix.
[03:52] <zenrox> tolstoy__,  what vnc were you trying
[03:53] <tolstoy__> all of 'em.
[03:53] <tolstoy__> Xvnc, Xtightvnc, etc.
[03:53] <zenrox> tolstoy__,  didja get it off the respotires
[03:53] <ironwolf> vnc and ubuntu work really well for me... with www.realvnc.com stuff... what are you trying?
[03:53] <tolstoy__> zenrox, yeap. apt-got.
[03:53] <ironwolf> tolstoy__: what's your specific problem?
[03:53] <zenrox> tolstoy__,  what were you trying to connect to ect
[03:54] <tolstoy__> ironwolf, i set up the inetd stuff.
[03:54] <zenrox> may be other options
[03:54] <tolstoy__> well, I want to have my regular console log in, dual screen, 3200x1200, etc.
[03:54] <zenrox> tolstoy__,  what exactaly were you trying to do??
[03:54] <tolstoy__> AND, I want to "terminal service in" to get a new desktop as my same user.
[03:54] <tolstoy__> using vnc for terminal services.
[03:55] <tolstoy__> zenrox, but when I log in at the console, then try to VNC in, I get gdm (good), and "you're already logged in".
[03:56] <brian__> hello?
[03:56] <zenrox> tolstoy__,  thats casue the gui is allready loaded
[03:57] <zenrox> alt+ctrl+f7 will get you to that screen
[03:57] <brian__> anoyone know how to remove nvidia splash screen?
[03:57] <zenrox> alt+ctrl+f1  thru 6 back to the terminal
[03:57] <tolstoy__> zenrox, I think maybe my assumptions about what's possible are way off, is the thing. ;)
[03:58] <zenrox> tolstoy__,  also enable xdmvc(something like that in the desplay manger) and use turminal server client
[03:59] <smo> brian__: Take a look thru /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz  for the "NoLogo" option.  I can't remember exactly where it's meant to go, but it works
[03:59] <tolstoy__> yeah, got that.  hm.
[03:59] <zenrox> thats how i connect to my remote server on my network with out a montor kb or mouse
[04:00] <zenrox> and you get a gdm login to the remote machine
[04:00] <setite> kapputu you there?
[04:01] <zenrox> trying that tolstoy__ ??
[04:01] <zenrox> tolstoy__,  also works for connect to remote win xp systems too
[04:01] <zenrox> and get a win login screen
[04:02] <tolstoy__> zenrox, ironwolf is taking me through....
[04:02] <zenrox> ok
[04:02] <p00p> question.. when i boot up my hoarty system, if i don't have a network cable plugged in or i'm on a network without dhcp, the system will hang for a long time at activating eth0, is there any way to solve this problem without disabling activation on boot?
[04:02] <zenrox> diferent way to do it but effective
[04:03] <zenrox> p00p,  om way got look in the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[04:04] <p00p> what am i looking for?
[04:04] <wil> Hi, how can I close my cd tray, my only experience is slot loading
[04:04] <zenrox> p00p,  disabling eth0 at boot
[04:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> who has an sip phone?
[04:04] <zenrox> wil,  press the button on your cdrom drive
[04:05] <p00p> zenrox: i don't want to disable it at boot though, i just want it to not sit for a couple minutes if there's no network cable hooked up
[04:05] <zenrox> p00p,  dont know your answer but keep looking
[04:05] <p00p> ok thanks anyway
[04:05] <zenrox> n/p i tried
[04:05] <zenrox> hehehe
[04:05] <Willys> pOOP - look at ifplugd
[04:05] <p00p> :)
[04:06] <p00p> Willys: that looks perfect :) thanks
[04:06] <p00p> btw, is it on apt?
[04:07] <p00p> never mind :/
[04:07] <Willys> pOOp- if memory serve me, it's in the universe
[04:07] <p00p> ahhhh ok
[04:07] <p00p> great
[04:07] <Willys> I've never used it for eth0 but use it to connect my Zararus
[04:08] <wil> zenrox:I am running a 17 inch Imac, eject button on keyboard doen't work.
[04:09] <zenrox> wil hmm i dont knwo macs
[04:10] <wil> zenrox: thanxs anyway.
[04:10] <zenrox> thats one area id like to inprove on is a g4 duel cpu
[04:18] <jintonic> i'm trying to get another radeon driver working via this tutorial: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#bin but when i try to do make-kpkg it gives me an error msg "We do not seem to be in a top level linux kernel source directory ..."
[04:19] <sri_> should I use 'apt-get upgrade' or 'apt-get dist-upgrade' for upgrading ubuntu?
[04:19] <crimsun> generally upgrade is sufficient
[04:19] <daniels> dist-upgrade
[04:19] <crimsun> sometimes when new packages are introduced, you'll need dist-upgrade
[04:21] <sri_> btw, i just now installed ubuntu
[04:22] <sri_> changed sources.list to use "hoary"
[04:22] <sri_> before this I was using debian/sid
[04:22] <crimsun> you'd need to dist-upgrade from sid to hoary
[04:22] <sri_> I hope it (hoary) would be at least as stable as debian/sid
[04:23] <sri_> i mean the same amount of errors that come when using debian/sid :D
[04:23] <crimsun> you'll encounter plenty of odds and ends
[04:23] <sri_> crimsun, i just installed ubuntu over my debian partition :)
[04:23] <crimsun> for instance, the menus will be out of sync even if you run `sudo update-menus'
[04:24] <sri_> crimsun, i could not get you
[04:24] <Linuxnoob> hi all :)
[04:24] <Linuxnoob> long time no see
[04:24] <kebac> 
[04:24] <kebac> sry
[04:24] <Linuxnoob> I'm still having problems with my modem
[04:25] <Linuxnoob> and you guys seem to know a lot :)
[04:25] <kebac> everyone with a modem has a problem
[04:25] <sri_> crimsun, you are talking about doing dist-upgrade?
[04:25] <crimsun> sri_: in Hoary, System>System Settings>Users and Groups doesn't exist on my sid/hoary machine
[04:25] <BockBilbo> hello
[04:25] <crimsun> sri_: yes, I'm just listing a few things to be aware of since you're dist-upgrading from sid to hoary
[04:25] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me if there are any ubuntu banners for webpages like the ones for firefox, for example?
[04:25] <BockBilbo> im making a website
[04:25] <sri_> crimsun, what is that path?
[04:25] <BockBilbo> and i would like to add an ubntu banner...
[04:26] <LameNick> hi
[04:26] <sri_> crimsun, no, i am dist-upgrading from warty to hoary
[04:26] <mindphasr> can i burn a data cd with k3b that will work windows?
[04:26] <BockBilbo> anyone knows?
[04:26] <crimsun> sri_: ah, ok. Well then disregard what I said. :)
[04:26] <LameNick> i would like to say ubuntu need to get its act together
[04:26] <LameNick> the distro is great
[04:26] <LameNick> its ready for end users
[04:27] <LameNick> but its not preinstall on computers from brandnames
[04:27] <sri_> BockBilbo, post in their forums
[04:27] <sri_> or start a wiki page
[04:27] <LameNick> if ubuntu want to be a hit
[04:27] <Linuxnoob> mindphasr - I just burnt a cd in ubuntu using the software and accessed it in windows fine
[04:27] <LameNick> they need to talk to dell, hp... it have ubuntu preinstalled on computer they sell to the stores
[04:28] <sri_> crimsun, so 'main', 'universal' in wary remains same for that 6 months?
[04:28] <sri_> *warty
[04:28] <LameNick> i would like to walk in to hardly normal and be able to see a hp computer with ubuntu to mess with
[04:28] <crimsun> sri_: warty's not moving at all.
[04:29] <AndyFitz> LameNick,  you are from .AU ?
[04:29] <LameNick> yes
[04:29] <sri_> what is the .config of warty's kernel (2.6.8.1) ?
[04:29] <sri_> /proc/config.gz does not exist
[04:29] <LameNick> thats why i said hardly normal....
[04:29] <crimsun> sri_: /boot/config-`uname -r`
[04:30] <AndyFitz> heh easy to pick the local nickname
[04:31] <sri_> btw, why there is 'ubuntu' sub-menu entry in gnome menu (something like 'debian' submenu in debian x-window managers)
[04:31] <sri_> why there is *NO* ....
[04:31] <sri_> cool
[04:31] <Linuxnoob> anyone know how to fix my modem?  Here's a link to the information.  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=44688#post44688
[04:31] <crimsun> sri_: you can get the Debian ones by installing menu-xdg
[04:31] <Linuxnoob> I installed a driver and it isn't working
[04:31] <sri_> comfortable and responsive
[04:32] <sri_> crimsun, so will ubuntu packages **ubuntu** install into that menu?
[04:33] <zenrox> sri,  yes
[04:33] <sri_> hoary users, do you use gnome2.9 ?
[04:33] <sri_> while upgrading to hoary, i see many 2.9.x gnome packages :D
[04:34] <LameNick> yes
[04:34] <LameNick> hoary use gnome 2.9
[04:34] <bretzel> how do you upgrade to hoary ??
[04:35] <sri_> bretzel, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[04:36] <sri_> bretzel, you have to change 'warty' to 'hoary' in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:36] <randabis> update to hoary at your own risk though
[04:36] <sri_> bretzel, then do a update and dist-upgrade
[04:37] <sri_> *long time debian/sid user
[04:37] <bretzel> is there any broken screwing stuff ? because I have totally screwed XFree86 against Xorg two gdm wanted to start and I had to re-install from scrtch warty ...
[04:38] <sri_> when is this going to made official? http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[04:39] <sri_> channel op! put http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ in /topic
[04:40] <Linuxnoob> why are there like 100 users in here but only like 3 of them say anything
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> because that's life
[04:41] <usual> hi
[04:41] <neuro_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lurker
[04:41] <usual> is nvidia fubar in hoary?
[04:41] <doubletwist> Is there an amd64 specific ubuntu channel?
[04:41] <Linuxnoob> either that or being a mime back in style
[04:41] <usual> after the kernel update
[04:41] <tritium> usual, restricted-modules has not yet been updated.  Don't upgrade the kernel until proper modules are available.
[04:42] <sri_> Linuxnoob, this is not #debian
[04:42] <sri_> :)
[04:42] <Linuxnoob> lol
[04:42] <Linuxnoob> sri_ - do you know anything about modems on ubuntu?
[04:43] <usual> tritium, oh, i didn't put it on hold, so it was updated automagically
[04:43] <|Arioch|> One quick question... how can I exit Gnome without rebooting?  Logout just reboots.
[04:43] <doubletwist> I got a modem working in ubuntu once. But I forgot how I did it, so I'm no good. :)
[04:43] <Locutus1976> Is there any way to have Gaim startup automatically when you log into gnome?
[04:43] <Linuxnoob> lol
[04:43] <Linuxnoob> I don't have broadband here - this town sucks
[04:43] <tritium> Locutus1976, save your session when you log out.  Make sure gaim is running.
[04:43] <Linuxnoob> so it's either 56k or nothing
[04:44] <Locutus1976> Tritium: Thank you.
[04:44] <Linuxnoob> which means get dialup working with ubuntu or uninstall and keep xp
[04:44] <tritium> sure thing
[04:44] <tritium> usual, using synaptic, or what?
[04:44] <doubletwist> I had gotten a new house in a new neighborhood, without broadband. Luckily it only took them 2 months to get both cable and dsl.
[04:44] <usual> tritium, no, apt-get
[04:44] <oak> locutus, you can also go to desktop preferences, sessions
[04:44] <oak> and add a startup program
[04:44] <Linuxnoob> I've been waiting over 2 years for dsl or cable
[04:45] <doubletwist> That so sucks.
[04:45] <tritium> usual, that's odd, same here.
[04:45] <doubletwist> I've been very very lucky in the broadband department.
[04:45] <tritium> But new kernel is held back for me.
[04:45] <doubletwist> Linuxnoob: You can't even get idsl?
[04:45] <usual> hmm
[04:45] <Linuxnoob> I can't get anything
[04:45] <Linuxnoob> other than 56k
[04:45] <doubletwist> Where do you live?
[04:45] <Linuxnoob> and this is a college town
[04:46] <tritium> usual, did you do dist-upgrade or upgrade
[04:46] <tritium> ?
[04:46] <Linuxnoob> illinois
[04:46] <tritium> Linuxnoob, are you having ice storms?
[04:46] <usual> tritium, dist
[04:46] <Linuxnoob> I had ice storms
[04:46] <Linuxnoob> you?
[04:46] <tritium> yep, here in Lafayette, IN
[04:46] <Linuxnoob> we got .25 inches of ice
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> inches?
[04:46] <Linuxnoob> I talked to my friend who is in eastern IN and she said they don't have power
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> wow
[04:46] <Linuxnoob> yes
[04:47] <Linuxnoob> we got a lot of ice
[04:47] <Linuxnoob> very little snow
[04:47] <doubletwist> It's chilly here now [30] ,but I think it's supposed to hit high 70's early next week. [ducking] 
[04:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> any sip users around?
[04:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's 284 here in San Francisco.
[04:47] <Linuxnoob> it's 15 here now
[04:47] <doubletwist> Wow that's pretty hot :)
[04:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> well..i use kelvin.
[04:47] <doubletwist> Or are you measuring in Kelvin. hehe
[04:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> use kelvin, dvorak, etc.  speak esperanto.  i'm trying to be leet.
[04:48] <doubletwist> We don't get our ice storm until Feb usually.
[04:48] <tritium> Yeah, we got I don't know how much ice we've gotten.  Every branch on the trees and every blade of grass is surrounded by about 3/4" of ice.
[04:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> where?
[04:48] <tritium> usual, dist-upgrade is what did it to you
[04:48] <doubletwist> I'm currently in Texas [near Ft. Worth] 
[04:48] <Linuxnoob> ugh
[04:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i was in beaumont for solstice.
[04:48] <doubletwist> I've got video of my wife ice-skating in our cul-de-sac last year.
[04:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's where my gf is from.
[04:48] <Linuxnoob> the north of us got upwards of 12 inches of snow
[04:48] <usual> tritium, i see
[04:48] <Linuxnoob> weird storm
[04:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> houston had snow when i was there a few weeks ago.
[04:49] <sri_> it's 22 degree here
[04:49] <tritium> usual, maybe you should use the -u switch to double-check what is going to be done before you do it.
[04:49] <doubletwist> I wish it would snow here. We got like .10" of snow 2 days before christmas.
[04:49] <rm6990> I live in Canada, and it is absolutely freezing here. It is like a sandstorm the way the snow is blowing, it normally doesnt get this cold
[04:49] <Linuxnoob> I wanted the snow - ice stinks
[04:49] <tritium> Lots of ice here in Debian's birthplace
[04:49] <usual> tritium, good idea
[04:50] <rm6990> Does anyone know of a good p2p app other than Limewire?
[04:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> has anyone here gotten linphone to work?
[04:50] <sri_> http://archive.ubuntu.com seems to be inconsistent in speeds
[04:51] <Linuxnoob> I wish I had a desktop to put ubuntu on... I could easily change modems - with this laptop I'm stuck
[04:51] <bungle> hey does anyone no of any pcimia cards that fix in a g3
[04:51] <bungle> fit*
[04:52] <sri_> rm6990, emule
[04:52] <Linuxnoob> bungle - no info @ apple.com?
[04:52] <tritium> usual, you can always downgrade your kernel until restricted-modulues-2.6.10 is out
[04:52] <attaq> http://lynucs.org/?&moosh
[04:52] <sri_> Linuxnoob, what's the problem with your modem?
[04:52] <Linuxnoob> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=44688#post44688
[04:53] <Linuxnoob> is the problem with my modem
[04:53] <usual> tritium, i did :( haha
[04:53] <rm6990> sri_: is emule available in one of Ubuntu's repositories?
[04:53] <doubletwist> Some linux modem info: http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/
[04:54] <LameNick> OMG
[04:54] <Linuxnoob> read that :)
[04:54] <Linuxnoob> thanks double
[04:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> why is it so hard to find sip users on irc?
[04:54] <LameNick> there is a naked female on my cd cover
[04:54] <LameNick> how sick
[04:54] <Linuxnoob> I've googled the heck outta this
[04:54] <LameNick> how offize
[04:54] <sri_> rm6990, try 'amule'
[04:54] <LameNick> this must be removed
[04:54] <doubletwist> Linuxnoob Well, what problem are you having? Something specific is more likely to get help.
[04:55] <sri_> Linuxnoob, buy a new modem
[04:55] <Linuxnoob> the specifics are posted in http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=44688#post44688
[04:55] <sri_> it's cheap
[04:55] <Linuxnoob> sri_ - how I have a laptop
[04:55] <Linuxnoob> I think its integrated
[04:55] <sri_> rhythmbox does not play mp3.  What package needs to be installed?
[04:56] <Linuxnoob> unless I buy a external which I don't want
[04:56] <tritium> gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:56] <rm6990> sri_: you can also install xmms from apt, it plays mp3s
[04:56] <doubletwist> I ended up needing a usb modem.
[04:57] <tritium> for mp3 with rhythmbox
[04:57] <Linuxnoob> if I have to use a USB modem on my laptop I'd rather use xp
[04:57] <doubletwist> or I've had pcmcia modems that were fairly well supported [although it was only 28.8k] 
[04:57] <sri_> tritium, cool, will that suffice for xmms?
[04:57] <Linuxnoob> and 28.8 isn't gonna cut it
[04:58] <Linuxnoob> 56k is bad enough
[04:58] <tritium> winmodems are awful
[04:58] <Linuxnoob> yep
[04:58] <doubletwist> Agreed.
[04:58] <Linuxnoob> sick of MS
[04:58] <doubletwist> I never got 56.6 anyway. Best I've ever gotten is 33.6
[04:58] <tritium> sri_, you should be able to use xmms without gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:58] <tritium> if that's your preference
[04:59] <tritium> If you want to use rhythmbox, then get it
[04:59] <Linuxnoob> double - do you use the 33.6 now? is ubuntu your os?
[04:59] <doubletwist> No, I got dsl again.
[04:59] <sri_> ubuntu sounds are cool!
[04:59] <Linuxnoob> if 33.6 is all that linux can do they have some work to do
[05:00] <doubletwist> Oh no, it's a problem with the phone lines.
[05:00] <bungle> nowhere on pple.com can I find anywhere about if pcimia cards of any sort might fit
[05:00] <sri_> *internet
[05:01] <doubletwist> 64k? Half an isdn?
[05:01] <rm6990> when i start amule, this is the message i get. No Serverlist adress entry in 'addresses.dat' found. Please paste a valid serverlist address into this file in order to auto-update your server list
[05:01] <rm6990> how do i fix this?
[05:01] <doubletwist> or an old sk00l leased line? :)
[05:01] <Linuxnoob> sri - I took my laptop to work and downloaded it on the network in 40 min
[05:01] <Linuxnoob> lol
[05:02] <doubletwist> I miss working for a hosting company....
[05:02] <Linuxnoob> who did you work for?
[05:02] <Linuxnoob> I work for a school district :)
[05:03] <doubletwist> I've worked for CI Hist [sucked]  and XO Communications [rocked] 
[05:03] <doubletwist> hist=host
[05:03] <Linuxnoob> I actually used them once
[05:03] <Linuxnoob> it sucked
[05:03] <sri_> doubletwist, this is the broadband in our country. adsl.  comes to 6.6 kBps download
[05:03] <Linuxnoob> CI that is
[05:03] <doubletwist> yeah
[05:04] <doubletwist> worst company I've ever worked for.
[05:04] <Linuxnoob> they jerked me around and I told them to piss off :)  went to rackspace
[05:04] <daniels> Linuxnoob, doubletwist: ok, offtopic
[05:04] <Linuxnoob> yep :)
[05:04] <Linuxnoob> back to the modem from hell lol
[05:05] <rm6990> rm6990
[05:05] <rm6990> whoops, sorry, anyways, does anyone know where to get the serverlist for addresses.dat for amule?
[05:06] <kebac> i guess it should do it by itself
[05:06] <kebac> at least windows client does
[05:06] <setite> blashphemer!
[05:07] <doubletwist> hehe
[05:07] <doubletwist> brb
[05:07] <rm6990> kebac: the cvs version available in universe didnt
[05:07] <kebac> then go to www.emule-project.net and find more info
[05:07] <kebac> rm6990: or go to the amule home page
[05:08] <kebac> www.amule.org
[05:08] <kebac> is amule a good client
[05:09] <setite> i like limewire personally
[05:09] <rm6990> kebac: it seems to be nicely laid out...and i looked on their page and couldnt find the info
[05:09] <rm6990> setite: i dont wish to use java or any other sun controlled software anymore
[05:09] <setite> ok.. suit yourself
[05:10] <kebac> i'll try both
[05:10] <setite> if it works...and works well... im happy
[05:10] <rm6990> setite: i am also a FreeBSD user, and since Sun recently terminated their java license, I don't wish to use Sun's software anymore, they are not dependable in my opinion
[05:10] <odyssey> why is there an rpm folder in /usr/src?
[05:10] <kebac> FreeBSD o/
[05:11] <setite> i dont quite understand what FreeBSD is or why people use
[05:11] <setite> it
[05:11] <kebac> i dont understand linux, and why ppl use it...
[05:11] <rm6990> setite: it is similar to linux, but different at the same time. Linux and FreeBSD are both excellent OS's
[05:11] <rm6990> so no flame wars please
[05:12] <kebac> i have used BSD:s always...
[05:12] <kebac> it would be quite a shock to move to linux, i guess
[05:12] <setite> whose flaming
[05:13] <rm6990> anyways, OpenOffice is the only Sun software I'll use, since they don't have complete control over it and it can be forked out of their hands should they screw around like they like to do with java
[05:13] <Quest-Master> I always that BSD was Blue Screen of Death.. I was confused about FreeBSD-- Free Blue Screen of Death?
[05:13] <Quest-Master> :P
[05:13] <rm6990> setite: just saying no flames, they are almost inevitable when FreeBSD comes up on Linux forums or chats
[05:13] <setite> well they dont have full control of limewire in that case right
[05:13] <kebac> Quest-Master: blue screen=BSOD :P
[05:13] <kebac> no BSD...
[05:14] <setite> FREEBSD means free butt sex dudes
[05:14] <rm6990> setite: how can i use Limewire if I refuse to use Java?
[05:14] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[05:14] <Quest-Master> I know
[05:14] <setite> haha jp
[05:14] <Quest-Master> That was a long time ago though
[05:14] <Quest-Master> :P
[05:14] <Quest-Master> What does BSD stand for?
[05:14] <rm6990> Berkely Software Distribution
[05:14] <setite> berkeley somethign
[05:14] <neuro_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD
[05:14] <Quest-Master> hehe
[05:14] <setite> choppin broccoli
[05:14] <kebac> Quest-Master: got to admit that that thought crossed my mind, too
[05:14] <Quest-Master> Hehe
[05:15] <kebac> Quest-Master: couldn't help it :)
[05:15] <setite> ooh i gotta get that song now
[05:15] <setite> CHOPPING BROCCOLI!
[05:15] <setite> everyone get that song
[05:17] <wapowell> hi everyone
[05:18] <wapowell> recent ubuntu convert here
[05:18] <wapowell> :)
[05:18] <kebac> hello
[05:18] <kebac> what did you use before
[05:18] <wapowell> XP
[05:20] <kebac> it's 06:20am here...
[05:20] <wapowell> where are you?
[05:20] <kebac> finland
[05:20] <wapowell> it is 11:20 PM here
[05:20] <kebac> should go to bed already
[05:20] <wapowell> ah ok, I am near Orlando, Florida.
[05:20] <kebac> right
[05:22] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: you just try a call?
[05:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> uhh...
[05:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> me?
[05:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> uhhh...
[05:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> hmmm
[05:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah.
[05:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> why can i hear it ring but i can't hear once you pick up?
[05:23] <MacPlusG3> phone rang
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> i hear a "wuhhhhh..........wuhhhhhhh........."
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> but once it connects i hear nothing.
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> can you try to call me?
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm using linphone now because minisip gave me no sound at all.
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's ringing!!
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> yayyyy
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's a start
[05:23] <jintonic> why is fglrx not loading GLX?!?!
[05:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> but dagnabbit..i hear no sound.
[05:24] <jintonic> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:24] <setite> you know transfers on gaim dont work very well
[05:24] <setite> i cant figure out how to direct connect
[05:24] <setite> and when they direct connect to me...
[05:24] <jintonic> i get that whenever i run fglrxinfo... i have an ati radeon 9200LE
[05:24] <setite> it worked once
[05:24] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: yeap
[05:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> :)
[05:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> so this is really bizarre.
[05:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> what could cause such a problem?
[05:25] <rm6990> setite: which client are you using?
[05:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> clearly linphone can use my sound device because it makes a ring sound.
[05:25] <jintonic> i've tried the ati official driver, i've tried the one apt-get has, i've tried the one you find at the first listing while searching for "fglrx" on google
[05:25] <jintonic> every time they work, but glx still doesn't work
[05:26] <randabis> Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable - Linux 2.6.10 - Uptime: 2:02 - CPU: 	AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+@2205.223 MHz - Memory: 495/503 mb used - Swap: 0/1019 mb used - Video: nVidia Corporation NV35 [GeForce FX 5900]  (rev a1) - Xfree: 4.3.0.1 @ 1280x1024 pixels (322x241 millimeters) 24 bit - Sound: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03)
[05:26] <HrdwrBoB> randabis: thankyou, please do not do that again
[05:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> MacPlusG3: wheredid you buy your snom?
[05:27] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: www.ozvoip.com
[05:27] <Guardiann> randabis lots of ram usage
[05:27] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: since i'm in .au
[05:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> ahh..
[05:28] <randabis> sorry was just testing
[05:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> my roomie went to a year of college at Melbourne U.
[05:28] <randabis> won't do it again
[05:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> we play basketball sometimes, but always win cause he's an unco.
[05:29] <randabis> Guardiann I think because nothing is in swap
[05:29] <jintonic> anybody wanna take a whack at why glx isn't starting on my ati radeon 9200le?
[05:29] <jintonic> glxinfo
[05:29] <Guardiann> those scripts dont always show accurately either
[05:30] <jintonic> since glxinfo works i guess that means glx is installed...
[05:30] <jintonic> and i have Load "glx" in my xconfig
[05:30] <jintonic> and i've tried all the different drivers for my card
[05:30] <rm6990> setite: if u r using msn, have u considered amsn, it is available in universe?
[05:33] <dasmi> Greetings
[05:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> what does it mean when linphone says "forbidden"?
[05:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> weird
[05:36] <dasmi> Selecting...unpacking...selecting...unpacking...
[05:36] <Guardiann> randabis you got your kernel to work
[05:36] <dasmi> on and on and on and on
[05:36] <jintonic> what differences are there between xf86 and xorg?
[05:37] <dasmi> whee on i'm python...almost done
[05:38] <randabis> yes I did Guardiann
[05:38] <randabis> :)
[05:38] <setite> yea i use AIM mostly
[05:38] <Guardiann> very good
[05:38] <setite> only msn when i need to
[05:38] <randabis> bootsplash is being weird though
[05:39] <randabis> the shutdown bootsplash works, but not the startup
[05:39] <setite> does anyone know if cedega will ever feature 5.1 gaming?
[05:39] <Guardiann> oh yeah hows the speed
[05:39] <setite> rm6990 im using gaim
[05:39] <setite> sorry i didnt see your messages
[05:39] <randabis> speed's fine, only did a minor update from 2.6.9 to 2.6.10
[05:39] <Guardiann> ah ok
[05:39] <randabis> used my old config since I had already tweaked it
[05:39] <dasmi> Anyone else running it on an iBook?
[05:40] <randabis> just wish I could figure out why the bootsplash is being weird
[05:42] <tritium> randabis, did you patch your kernel yourself?
[05:42] <dasmi> now setting all the packages up.
[05:42] <dasmi> god this takes a while on a 300MHz PPC with 96 MB ram :)
[05:43] <jintonic> how could a get my system to not try to modprobe pciech (i think thats the name of one of the things causing an error at startup)
[05:43] <randabis> yes
[05:43] <randabis> I patched it manually
[05:44] <tritium> ok
[05:44] <randabis> and my splash image is in my initrd
[05:44] <idge> hello I am trying to set up a printer...when i try to print an OppenOffice text document...the printer does nothing
[05:45] <idge> any advice?
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> MacPlusG3: user cannot be found at given address. :(
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> wtf
[05:45] <randabis> have you set up the printer in Computer --> System Configuration --> Printers?
[05:45] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: rang, and i answered
[05:45] <randabis> Printing even
[05:45] <idge> no i just got the cups package and did that
[05:46] <collapser> I just installed vncserver and I can't run vncpasswd - @vncpasswd: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:46] <collapser> @
[05:46] <Guardiann> idge use abiword it seems almost the same but smaller and quicker
[05:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm depressed.
[05:46] <jintonic> ahh, i see.. pciehp... PCI Express Hot Plug
[05:46] <randabis> you have to set it up through Computer --> System Configuration --> Printing
[05:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> MacPlusG3: do you know much about the internals of sip?
[05:46] <randabis> that's the easy way anyway
[05:46] <idge> what is "abiword"
[05:46] <randabis> it's a word processor
[05:47] <Guardiann> yep i like it
[05:47] <idge> ok...i should "Add New Printer" or something like that?
[05:47] <jintonic> since i don't have pcie it causes an error... so why the hell does ubuntu check for pcie every bootup? expecting that you're gonna change your motherboard to a crazily expensive one
[05:47] <randabis> yes
[05:47] <idge> oh ok...i will try abiword
[05:47] <Guardiann> its in synaptic
[05:47] <randabis> try the Add New Printer thing though
[05:47] <randabis> because it shouldn't matter what word processor you are using
[05:48] <jintonic> ok, so how do i get my system to stop modprobing for pciehp at boot?
[05:48] <Guardiann> except abi runs much quicker
[05:48] <locmon> when did ubuntu first come out?
[05:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> MacPlusG3: can you call me just one last time?
[05:49] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: calling
[05:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> are you talking?
[05:49] <MacPlusG3> yeas i am
[05:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> jesus h christ this sucks.
[05:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks.
[05:49] <dasmi> man, i'm going ot need some more RAM. Soon.
[05:50] <setite> did reinstall xserver-xfree86 screw with my dvd support?
[05:50] <setite> when i try and play a dvd now
[05:50] <setite> it says
[05:50] <setite> xine engirne eroor
[05:51] <setite> There is no input plugin available to hangle 'dvd:/",
[05:51] <setite> Maybe MRL syntax is wrong or file/stream source doesn't exist
[05:52] <collapser> vncpasswd: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:52] <collapser> what is going on?
[05:53] <idge> randabis:  I did the add new, but it just fed a blank sheet thru the printer..no ink on paper....
[05:53] <idge> ??
[05:53] <Guardiann> i think you have to also configure the printer in office
[05:54] <idge> i am unfamiliar with office...what would i do?  ( i am VERY new at Linux)
[05:54] <rm6990> how come when i install either bittorrent or bittornado with synaptic, i can start neither of them? what command do i issue to start them?
[05:54] <rm6990> idge: what do u mean office?
[05:54] <Guardiann> :) try abi if you dont like it go back to office
[05:55] <Guardiann> open office
[05:55] <idge> yes..openoffice....
[05:55] <randabis> maybe you should consider installing azureus
[05:55] <idge> sorry
[05:55] <rm6990> randabis: i dont wish to install java at this time
[05:55] <randabis> at
[05:55] <randabis> ah even
[05:56] <randabis> well, bittornado maybe
[05:56] <randabis> in a console
[05:56] <randabis> check /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin
[05:56] <randabis> the command is probably in one of those directories
[05:57] <rm6990> found it, it is btdownloadcurses and btdownloadgui
[05:57] <rm6990> thank you very much randabis
[05:57] <rm6990> idge: have u considered gnome office or staroffice?
[05:58] <rm6990> idge: or koffice for that matter...although it is not officially supported by ubuntu
[05:58] <DeepSpaceAnt> do u know any reason the current fglrx drivers would detect my 9700 pro as a 9500 generic on UBUNTU linux XFREE86?
[05:58] <DeepSpaceAnt> do u know any reason the current fglrx drivers would detect my 9700 pro as a 9500 generic on UBUNTU linux XFREE86?
[05:58] <DeepSpaceAnt> opps..
[05:59] <daniels> DeepSpaceAnt: they're known to be broken like that -- the new drivers, which are coming out next week (apparently) should fix this
[06:00] <DeepSpaceAnt> thanks
[06:00] <DeepSpaceAnt> hope so.
[06:00] <nite_fly> how is ubuntu compared to suse ?
[06:01] <dasmi> I prefer Ubuntu.  SuSE is ugly in my opinion
[06:02] <rm6990> nite_fly: depends on the person. I myself prefer Ubuntu
[06:02] <nite_fly> functionality wise though ?
[06:02] <randabis> sorry
[06:02] <doubletwist> Depends on what functionality you need.
[06:02] <reisio> ha...that was one seriously painless install :p
[06:02] <dasmi> This is taking an unbelievable amount of time :)
[06:03] <reisio> what is?
[06:03] <dasmi> Functionality wise, I think Ubuntu wins
[06:03] <reisio> funtionality? :p
[06:03] <reisio> func* :p
[06:03] <dasmi> Installing ubuntu on my old ibook
[06:03] <reisio> I think they did a really good job of customizing a lot of existing stuff
[06:03] <reisio> and of course the installer is very nice
[06:04] <dasmi> I can't beleive how long it's been going.  Granted, I only have 96 MB of ram... but come on! :)
[06:04] <doubletwist> There's stuff I love about ubuntu, and stuff that drives me nuts. :)
[06:04] <reisio> dasmi: what part are you at?
[06:04] <doubletwist> I'm just now finally trying the amd64 version.
[06:04] <dasmi> Setting up all the packages.
[06:04] <tritium> hmm, I edited /etc/hdparm.conf to enable dma for my CD-ROM, but the device symlink isn't yet created when /etc/init.d/hdparm is called
[06:04] <reisio> dasmi: ya, heh, that is the long part :p
[06:04] <dasmi> Initializing package states...
[06:04] <dasmi> That's nearing the end
[06:04] <dasmi> right?
[06:04] <reisio> dasmi: *shrug*
[06:04] <reisio> I only installed about an hour ago
[06:05] <reisio> just fixed the resolution and some theme stuff
[06:05] <tritium> How are any of you enabling dma on your CD-ROMs?
[06:05] <dasmi> Registering documentation...
[06:05] <rm6990> nite_fly: like i said, it depends on your personal preferences. Most of the software available for SUSE is available for Ubuntu and vice versa. If you like Gnome you will probably like Ubuntu better since it includes Gnome 2.8 and Gnome 2.9 (depending on whether you are running stable or unstable)
[06:05] <reisio> dasmi: I believe that _is_ close
[06:05] <dasmi> It's gotta be. I can't imagine it taking any longer
[06:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> 2.9?!
[06:05] <reisio> the best thing about ubuntu is the installer - immediate, working system
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> wow.
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah. it's awesome.
[06:06] <reisio> you can always break it down and screw with it later
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> i used slack for a year and now i'm no ubuntu for the second or third day and in love with it.
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> in love.
[06:06] <reisio> dasmi: clearly you've never done a stage1 install of Gentoo Linux :p
[06:06] <randabis> haha
[06:06] <dasmi> I know Gentoo takes a long time :)
[06:06] <doubletwist> Ah Slackware. I do miss slack sometimes.
[06:06] <reisio> BROKEN_LADDER: I'm on Ubuntu atm because the Debian install manual bites and Gentoo keeps letting me down with their package maintainence
[06:06] <dasmi> The other computer i installed ubuntu on was a really fast pc, so things went...faster :)
[06:07] <randabis> getting a working gentoo install from stage one can take over a day
[06:07] <doubletwist> I've done an install of Sourcemage [equiv to stage1 gentoo]  on a P133 with 32MB ram :)
[06:07] <reisio> randabis: oh I'd say absolutely over a day if you want a full GUI setup
[06:07] <randabis> yeah
[06:07] <reisio> unless you have some evilly sickly fast comp
[06:07] <reisio> in which case I'd have to hurt you
[06:07] <brenden_> i'm trying to get a windows samba share mount at boot
[06:08] <randabis> nah just a athlon xp 2500+@3200+
[06:08] <dasmi> Still registering documentation...
[06:08] <Jasoney> i needed a driver from mandrake today... couldn't get it unless i was a member of their "club"   what's that all about?
[06:08] <brenden_> but when i use mount -t smbfs, it has a fit
[06:08] <doubletwist> I gave up on the source distro's because I was sick of having to compile all day when there was a mozilla or kde or X update.
[06:08] <reisio> hrmm, anybody know how to change your own name's color in irssi?
[06:08] <randabis> I like nfs so much better than samba
[06:08] <reisio> Jasoney: lol mandrake is commercial, bollix them
[06:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone here have an sip phone?
[06:08] <dasmi> GAH. I don't care about the docs, let's move Ubuntu! MOVE!!
[06:08] <randabis> lol
[06:08] <Jasoney> i just use mandrake at work
[06:09] <reisio> doubletwist: ya, Gentoo is still nice for the initial install
[06:09] <rm6990> reisio: mandrake has a free download version though, although i personally do not care for mandrake
[06:09] <reisio> rm6990: sure, but I don't go near distros that have commercial version - even if they have free ones, too
[06:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> me need helpy with linphone
[06:09] <brenden_> so, nobody knows how to make samba work correctly/
[06:09] <reisio> this includes redhat
[06:09] <brenden_> ?
[06:09] <randabis> I guess a solution would be to just do a stage 3 install with the precompiled packages
[06:09] <doubletwist> brenden_ Need more specific info.
[06:10] <Jasoney> arethe old beta winmodem linuxant drivers still legal to download?
[06:10] <doubletwist> What's the error you're getting?
[06:10] <reisio> Jasoney: does it matter?
[06:10] <brenden_> doubletwist: i'm trying to mount a windows share at boot, but mount -t smbfs is not working
[06:10] <brenden_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option,
[06:11] <randabis> maybe it's just smb
[06:11] <randabis> not sure
[06:11] <reisio> hrmmm
[06:11] <doubletwist> and smbfs is installed?
[06:11] <brenden_> yes, so how do i start smb?
[06:11] <brenden_> i don't know
[06:11] <brenden_> i just installed ubuntu for the first time
[06:11] <doubletwist> apt-get install smbfs
[06:11] <reisio> how many other distros are completely free and have such painless installers (from single CD)?
[06:11] <randabis> check in synaptic
[06:11] <Jasoney> the 2.6 debian kernal is the best i've ever tried
[06:11] <alka_trash> hey guys
[06:11] <randabis> or do what doubletwist said hehe
[06:12] <brenden_> i like building/compiling my own kernels generally
[06:12] <reisio> Jasoney: I'm not in it deep enough yet to know which kernel to prefer :p
[06:12] <Jasoney> it does everything right so ffar
[06:12] <reisio> alka_trash: lo
[06:12] <doubletwist> I find it's faster to type than to open synaptic, search, select, apply....
[06:12] <randabis> resio just ubuntu me thinks
[06:12] <eelriverlt> BROKEN_LADDER, Popped in to see how the install went.
[06:12] <brenden_> haha yes
[06:12] <brenden_> apt-get install smbfs did the trick
[06:12] <brenden_> thanks everyone
[06:12] <reisio> randabis: that's what I'm thinking, it's surprising :/
[06:12] <dasmi> my god. STILl register docs
[06:12] <reisio> of course I don't bother checking all the tons of vague distros :p
[06:12] <reisio> dasmi: :)
[06:12] <dasmi> DONE!
[06:13] <alka_trash> does anyone remember what the link that needs to to be made for GLX to load when x starts in hoary ( it's like in /usrX11R6/lib/.. something)
[06:13] <dasmi> Starting Gnome...
[06:13] <randabis> doubletwist yeah me too, just try to simplify things for the noobs
[06:13] <reisio> dasmi: wewtx0r
[06:13] <reisio> got me, this is Warty
[06:13] <Jasoney> anyway. i'm looking forward to getting my ubuntu CD's.. how long does it usually take to arrive?
[06:13] <setite> how do i change my login thing
[06:13] <dasmi> oh my god. I've got X and sound working.
[06:13] <randabis> yeah I r warty too
[06:13] <setite> i got a theme for it but i dont know how to use
[06:13] <setite> it
[06:13] <randabis> Computer --> System Configuration --> Login Screen Setup
[06:13] <reisio> setite: computer > system configuration...awe rand :p
[06:14] <doubletwist> Anyone know if there's any plans to make xfce part of the official archive?
[06:14] <Gwildor> setite: its in the mesu somehwere....settings somethig....point and click to it
[06:14] <randabis> no clue
[06:14] <reisio> randabis: how is the gnome loadsplash thing changed?
[06:14] <doubletwist> I've been playing with the xfce 4.2beta3 in debian and ir rocks!
[06:14] <randabis> I don't know :(
[06:14] <Jasoney> how is gnome 2.8?
[06:14] <reisio> doubletwist: ever tried fvwm?
[06:14] <randabis> I wish I did
[06:14] <reisio> randabis: heh, well I'll /msg you when I figure it out
[06:14] <randabis> hoary uses 2.9
[06:14] <doubletwist> reisio Briefly.
[06:15] <dasmi> amazing. I've even got Airport connectivity. This is the shit.
[06:15] <reisio> just curious, I still haven't tried it
[06:15] <randabis> sweet
[06:15] <doubletwist> It's been a long time since I have though.
[06:15] <techn9ne> what is a good cd burning utility for gnome?
[06:15] <reisio> wasn't working on gentoo - x was fried due to (afaik) bad pkg maintenence
[06:15] <randabis> k3b
[06:15] <techn9ne> ... for gnome
[06:15] <randabis> lol
[06:15] <randabis> my bad
[06:15] <doubletwist> I used to keep trying KDE, but I'd always switch back to WindowMaker. Now instead I always go back to xfce
[06:15] <Guardiann> k3b will work in gnome
[06:15] <techn9ne> k3b doesnt work well
[06:16] <randabis> you can use it in gnome though
[06:16] <reisio> techn9ne: isn't there something like gtoast?
[06:16] <techn9ne> it gave me a bunch of errors
[06:16] <randabis> works just fine for me
[06:16] <doubletwist> in what way does k3b not work well?
[06:16] <techn9ne> it said i needed to be root and it was missing libraries
[06:16] <techn9ne> and it looked like crap
[06:16] <doubletwist> I've never had a problem with it. I think it's the only QT  based software that I can't live without. :)
[06:16] <Guardiann> k3b works ok for me but you also need to run it as root
[06:16] <randabis> I have none of said problems
[06:16] <randabis> I don't run it as root
[06:16] <reisio> and it's not even k{insertrandomword}
[06:16] <Jasoney> i'm on windows now because my linux modem driver is flaky
[06:17] <tritium> Where should hdparm settings be made for CD-ROMS, since symlinks in /dev are not yet created when /etc/init.d/hdparm is called?
[06:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> MacPlusG3: in a second here i'm going to call you.  my system will be recording for testing.  please just say hello or something and then hang up. :)
[06:17] <doubletwist> I haven't tried it in Ubuntu yet. but k3b has worked like a charm in debian [sarge an sid] 
[06:17] <setite> someon help
[06:17] <setite> xine wont play dvds
[06:17] <techn9ne> howd you get it to work w/o root?
[06:17] <techn9ne> did you u se apt-get to install it?
[06:17] <randabis> you need libcsdvd2 or somethin'
[06:17] <Guardiann> how do you run it then randabis
[06:17] <setite> it worked yesterday
[06:17] <randabis> I just click the icon
[06:18] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: done
[06:18] <reisio> what's the name of the windows explorer equivalent in gnome?
[06:18] <reisio> I can't find it :p
[06:18] <MacPlusG3> reisio: nautilus
[06:18] <dasmi_ibook> yes!! iBook ubuntu lives!!
[06:18] <techn9ne> reisio: nautilus --browser
[06:18] <Guardiann> randabis i asked in this room for three days why i had t run it as sudo
[06:18] <Guardiann> lol
[06:18] <reisio> thanks
[06:18] <doubletwist> dasmi_ibook Congrats! :)
[06:18] <randabis> libdvdcss2 is what you need
[06:18] <reisio> where'd they stick it?
[06:18] <randabis> haha
[06:19] <techn9ne> reisio: you gotta create a launcher
[06:19] <dasmi_ibook> mmm. this is nice.
[06:19] <techn9ne> reformed, they took it out by default
[06:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> MacPlusG3: i hear you perfectly!
[06:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's so clear.
[06:19] <setite> yea i have that
[06:19] <reisio> techn9ne: meh, that's silly :p
[06:19] <setite> it worked yesterday
[06:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> but it's only if i do a recording.
[06:19] <setite> i get the following error
[06:19] <Guardiann> i was told to run it as gksudo k3b
[06:19] <setite> -xine engine error-
[06:19] <techn9ne> reisio, do a search on google for "spatial viewing"
[06:19] <randabis> weird, I just click it and it works
[06:19] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: it's a start at least
[06:19] <reisio> techn9ne: what for?
[06:19] <setite> There is no inpute plugin available to handle 'dvd:/'
[06:20] <setite> did reinstalling xserver do that?
[06:20] <techn9ne> reisio, 'cause you said it was stupid... search for spatial viewing if you want to know why
[06:20] <Guardiann> very weird
[06:20] <setite> synaptic shows that i have libdvdcss2 installed
[06:20] <reisio> techn9ne: k - the PDF?
[06:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> true.
[06:20] <doubletwist> setite it shouldn't have.
[06:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> now i know it's not a networking thing.
[06:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not that my rtp packets aren't getting through.
[06:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> can you hear anything?
[06:20] <setite> if it helps
[06:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[06:21] <setite> after i run xine i cant eject the dvd
[06:21] <setite> i can only eject it by right-clicking it on the desktop
[06:21] <setite> and one time is said something abotu the device being in use
[06:21] <techn9ne> reisio, http://www.bytebot.net/geekdocs/spatial-nautilus.html
[06:21] <Guardiann> thats cause you have to unmount it
[06:21] <techn9ne> reisio, i thought it was dumb too until i read the explanation
[06:22] <HarutoX> hello
[06:22] <HarutoX> anyne there ?
[06:22] <Guardiann> hello
[06:23] <reisio> techn9ne: will read it later :p
[06:23] <HarutoX> do you how to install Skype
[06:23] <setite> any ideas?
[06:23] <HarutoX> ?
[06:23] <HarutoX> any knows how i can install skype
[06:23] <setite> google it
[06:23] <Guardiann> nope
[06:23] <reisio> HarutoX:
[06:23] <setite> ive seen it on the wiki i think
[06:24] <reisio> http://skype.com/products/skype/linux/
[06:24] <eelriverlt> BROKEN_LADDER, What are you playing with voip?
[06:24] <setite> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FAQGuide/view?searchterm=skype
[06:24] <setite> its there
[06:25] <HarutoX> reisio, u have this messenger install already ?
[06:25] <reisio> no
[06:26] <HarutoX> .............
[06:26] <HarutoX> reisio, which one i need for ubuntu .rpm or .bsz
[06:27] <reisio> HarutoX: either should work
[06:28] <setite> how do i turn on dma
[06:28] <setite> sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/something right
[06:28] <HarutoX> ty
[06:28] <reisio> the dynamic binary tar.bz2 might be easiest
[06:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> eelriverlt: yeah.
[06:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm trying to get my sip phone working.  trying linphone right now.
[06:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> next i'm going to try kphone, since linphone and minisip don't work.
[06:29] <setite> how do i turn dma on
[06:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> eelriverlt: do you have linphone?
[06:30] <doubletwist> setite yes I think -d 1 turns on dma
[06:30] <eelriverlt> BROKEN_LADDER, No, I don't. No one to talk too
[06:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> you could install it and call me :)
[06:30] <doubletwist> setite I usually use hdparm -c1 -d1 -m16 /dev/whatever
[06:30] <setite> but how do i figure out the last part
[06:30] <setite> yea what is the whatever
[06:30] <randabis> I just use xchat
[06:30] <doubletwist> setite well, it depends on what drive it is.
[06:31] <setite> yea thats the part i dont know
[06:31] <eelriverlt> I'll look into how to do it on s****ware
[06:31] <setite> ok more importantly... why am i getting an input plugin error in xine
[06:31] <setite> should i reinstall xine
[06:31] <doubletwist> setite well, you can run 'dmesg' and it should say in there what device it loaded your cdrom as. [often /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd] 
[06:31] <doubletwist> or whichever drive.
[06:32] <doubletwist> setite once you figure it out, you can use /etc/hdparm.conf to safve the changes permanently.
[06:33] <eelriverlt> BROKEN_LADDER, www.sf-lug.org <-- more info on the local linux user group
[06:33] <doubletwist> setite Looks like you either have a drive that doesn't support dma, or it's having issues :)
[06:34] <setite> Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 330
[06:34] <setite> hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[06:34] <setite> hdc: command error: error=0x54
[06:34] <setite> what is all that
[06:34] <setite> ok well i just turned dma on
[06:34] <setite> but that was from the dmesg
[06:34] <doubletwist> setite it's sending commands to the drive that are failing.
[06:35] <setite> yea why is it failing
[06:35] <fabbione> setite: it means that dma is not ok for that drive
[06:35] <fabbione> there can be several reasons
[06:35] <fabbione> 1) the hd is dieing
[06:35] <setite> no i enabled dma after the errors
[06:35] <fabbione> 2) the ide cable isn't properly connected or is not good
[06:35] <setite> sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/
[06:35] <doubletwist> setite  run 'hdparm /dev/hdc' and it will tell you the current status of that drive [whether dma is really turned on] 
[06:35] <setite> setite@ubuntu:~ $ sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc
[06:35] <setite> Password:
[06:35] <setite> /dev/hdc:
[06:35] <setite>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[06:35] <setite>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[06:36] <fabbione> setite: then it is mostlikely a hardware reason
[06:36] <fabbione> setite: or the controller is no no
[06:36] <doubletwist> setite Sometimes it gives errors like that if there's a bad disc in the drive [assuming it's a cd/dvd drive] 
[06:36] <setite> bad disk... hmm lemme try another
[06:37] <setite> doubletwist pm
[06:37] <setite> i cant eject the damn thing now
[06:37] <doubletwist> is it mounted?
[06:38] <setite> ummmm
[06:38] <setite> i guess
[06:38] <setite> it wont eject manually
[06:38] <Guardiann> cause its mounted
[06:38] <setite> but usually it ejected when i right-clicked the cd
[06:38] <setite> but now it wont do that either
[06:39] <HarutoX> hello
[06:39] <HarutoX> any can help me?
[06:39] <doubletwist> HarutoX that depends.
[06:40] <HarutoX> doubletwist, can we talk in private
[06:40] <setite> imma restart x real quick
[06:40] <doubletwist> HarutoX You're more likely to get a good answer if you ask your question publicly.
[06:41] <gabaug> I just upgraded to hoary from warty by changing my sources.list  and now I'm stuck at 800x600 resolution and am not given other options via the GUI res changer ... other people having trouble with this?
[06:42] <randabis> sounds like a xconfig problem
[06:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have tried three sip clients in ubuntu and none of them work.
[06:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> :(
[06:43] <HarutoX>  $ sudo chown -R root:root /opt/skype_staticQT-0.92.0.12/ ppl wht i need to put it in root:root ?
[06:43] <reisio> gabaug: check /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or whatever
[06:43] <gabaug> reisio: I did, I even copied an older, known-working version over and its the same
[06:43] <doubletwist> gabaug yeah you might try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or whatever the xorg equivalent is] 
[06:43] <gabaug> doubletwist: did that, no luck
[06:44] <doubletwist> gabaug Bummer. I hope it doesn't happen to me, I'm upgrading to Hoary as we speak. :)
[06:44] <gabaug> doubletwist: I selected the other resolutions I wanted there and they are in the XFConfig-4 file but they're not given as an option
[06:44] <reisio> does hoary use xorg or xfree86 by default?
[06:44] <gabaug> reisio: it's using xorg for me
[06:44] <fabbione> xorg
[06:44] <reisio> gabaug: ah, well doesn't xorg look for xorg.conf?
[06:44] <doubletwist> ah good call.
[06:44] <gabaug> ooh, do have one of those :)
[06:44] <reisio> I forget whether you can just rename it
[06:45] <reisio> since I've never actually switched
[06:45] <reisio> a quick google will undoubtedly tell you
[06:45] <reisio> gabaug: I forgot - just "xorgconfig" :p
[06:45] <reisio> if you don't have a bunch of crazy customizations
[06:46] <randabis> what advantages does x.org have over the old x server?
[06:46] <doubletwist> I think it can support some transparency stuff :)
[06:46] <HarutoX> ppl i need help with this any can help ?  $ sudo chown -R root:root /opt/skype_staticQT-0.92.0.12/
[06:46] <reisio> randabis: afaik xfree86 is being dropped by the community because it changed its license
[06:46] <doubletwist> Which I think the new xfce beta can take advantage of.
[06:46] <randabis> ah I see
[06:46] <doubletwist> oh yeah and the license thing.
[06:46] <randabis> no longer gpl?
[06:47] <reisio> randabis: x.org is based off the last xfree86 with a good license afaik
[06:47] <HarutoX> ppl i need help with this any can help ?  $ sudo chown -R root:root /opt/skype_staticQT-0.92.0.12/
[06:47] <randabis> oic
[06:47] <doubletwist> I don't think x was ever 'gpl'. Didn't it have its own license?
[06:47] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: oooerrr.. sms on voip phone... how'd you do that?
[06:47] <reisio> dunno
[06:47] <doubletwist> or am I horribly mistaken?
[06:47] <daniels> hoary uses xorg, which has xorg.conf.  xfree86 does not have continuing development, because it has a tainted non-free licence; all the current development is happening in x.org.  so, to answer your question: newer features, far better hardware support, just lots of random fixes.
[06:47] <randabis> mpt sire
[06:47] <randabis> wtf
[06:47] <randabis> not sure
[06:47] <reisio> just what I heard from my bro or somebody - that xfree86 adopted a lame license
[06:47] <daniels> x was never gpl -- it's a mix of three-clause bsd and mit/x11.
[06:48] <daniels> xfree86 tried to use the four-clause bsd licence, which is non-free.
[06:48] <reisio> daniels: cool, I should up to hoary, then :p
[06:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> did you get my message?
[06:48] <MacPlusG3> daniels: dude, how goes it?
[06:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i sent you a message.
[06:48] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: yeap
[06:48] <randabis> I'd go to hoary but I'm too chickenshit lol
[06:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's just an option in various clients.
[06:48] <daniels> MacPlusG3: dude!  not too bad but busy as hell.  you?
[06:48] <reisio> randabis: is it not "stable" yet?
[06:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> the MSN messenger can use sip and send text as well.
[06:48] <randabis> I've heard it's highly unstable
[06:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> it can even do voice now.
[06:49] <randabis> from people in this channel
[06:49] <doubletwist> I'm fealing really adventurous. So I'm trying hoary on my amd64...
[06:49] <reisio> randabis: ah, well I can wait - it's just good to know they're dropping xfree
[06:49] <randabis> as far as I know the official hoary won't be released until late april/early may
[06:49] <MacPlusG3> daniels: pretty much the same.
[06:49] <daniels> MacPlusG3: nice
[06:50] <regeya> soon enough for me...
[06:51] <regeya> randabis: check out the backports project, see if the newer packages you crave are there:  ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net
[06:51] <randabis> cool
[06:51] <randabis> I heard of that
[06:52] <HarutoX> ppl
[06:52] <HarutoX> how i can check my number group and number use
[06:52] <HarutoX> user
[06:52] <HarutoX> ?:
[06:52] <doubletwist> id
[06:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> MacPlusG3: i think that because my sound card is just an output half-duplex, it stops working when i connect and the system tries to go to full duplex.
[06:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> does that sound plausible?
[06:52] <HarutoX> ty
[06:53] <swim> hi help, x wont start (fresh install btw) I get: Fatal server error: caught signal 11. server aborting... any ideas?
[06:53] <reisio> ah, gaim
[06:54] <doubletwist> swim check /var/log/XFree86.0.log it might have more info.
[06:54] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: i have to say though, two lines of text on a desk phone isn't really that SMS friendly
[06:54] <zenwhen> I get sort of a distorted line in my videos when I play them. Anyone seen that before.
[06:54] <zenwhen> ?
[06:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> wacha mean?
[06:54] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: possible i guess... try fiddling with some settings in the volume control thingy
[06:54] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: two lines of text isn't much
[06:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't follow
[06:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh..yeah.  you need a bigger display on that snom 190
[06:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> but it's worth it because it looks so incredibly cool and has srtp
[06:55] <swim> doubletwist: Im looking at it, but Im not sure that I see anything that looks obvious
[06:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'll probably hold out for just buying a Dell axim x30 pocket pc and running sip software on it.
[06:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> then i'll have a portable wifi phone that can support srtp and stuff.
[06:55] <MacPlusG3> the snom runs linux, which is good
[06:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'll be leet then.
[06:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh my gawd
[06:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> it runs an os?
[06:55] <MacPlusG3> yeap
[06:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's bizarre.
[06:56] <MacPlusG3> on the CD there's a big tarball with the source and toolchain
[06:56] <jintonic> ubuntu kicks ass
[06:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> you mean you can recompile and load it onto the phone?
[06:56] <MacPlusG3> could do
[06:56] <MacPlusG3> runs a web server on it too
[06:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah for settings
[06:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> who do you use to host your sipa?
[06:56] <swim> help?
[06:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> your own server?
[06:57] <MacPlusG3> no, company server (i work for MySQL AB)
[06:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> is it "sip" or "ess eye pee"?
[06:57] <reisio> swim: is there a newer version of x you can get?
[06:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh duh..i remember your address.
[06:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> what city you live in?
[06:57] <doubletwist> swim not sure. You can check http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/
[06:57] <MacPlusG3> Melbourne, Australia
[06:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> my roomie here in san francisco used to live in Footscray
[06:57] <swim> reisio: hmm dunno let me see... wait how can I check which version I have? in XFree86Config-4?
[06:58] <reisio> hum, good question
[06:58] <reisio> I'm not used to Debian
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> going to bed.
[06:58] <reisio> it might say where you downloaded your hoary image
[06:58] <reisio> BROKEN_LADDER: peace
[06:58] <doubletwist> maybe try dpkg -l |grep ii |grep xserver
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks for the help MacPlusG3
[06:59] <doubletwist> afkb while I see if the hoary upgrade hosed my system....
[06:59] <jintonic> how could i copy all the mp3 files in a directory, recursively?
[06:59] <jintonic> oh, and have them be in one output dir
[07:00] <jintonic> all side by side, negating the previous folder structure
[07:01] <MacPlusG3> jintonic: for i in `find . -type f|grep '\.mp3$'`; do mv $i destdir/; done
[07:01] <MacPlusG3> jintonic: there may be a gui way... but i don't know it
[07:02] <camh> jintonic: you may want double quotes around $i: eg ...do mv "$i" destdir...  - if you have spaces in filenames
[07:02] <jintonic> i was thinking cp could probably do it
[07:03] <MacPlusG3> camh: you are correc
[07:03] <jintonic> but its important that there is no folder structure in the out dir, i don't want folder structure, that's the whole point of this
[07:04] <jintonic> cp -r doesnt seem to give me that
[07:05] <camh> jintonic: do any of your mp3s have spaces in the filenames? because the double quotes still wont be enough.
[07:05] <perfectday> lalalalaa
[07:05] <perfectday> can we have it
[07:05] <jintonic> probably
[07:05] <perfectday> id like to have it
[07:06] <perfectday> may i please have it
[07:06] <perfectday> would u give me it
[07:06] <reisio> ...?
[07:06] <perfectday> i would like it
[07:06] <ycco> I'm getting these errors at boot...   cannot allocate resource region 4 of device 0000:00:07.1  ||  ror, temporary failure in name resolution
[07:06] <perfectday> lalalalalala sing with me lovers
[07:07] <doubletwist> sweet, it works. :)
[07:07] <doubletwist> mostly
[07:07] <jintonic> for i in `find . -type f|grep '\.mp3$'`; do cp "$i" ~/noise/; done
[07:07] <jintonic> isn't working for any but the space-less mp3s it looks like
[07:08] <camh> jintonic: try find . -type f -name "*.mp3 | while read i ; do cp "$i" -/noise/; done
[07:08] <swim> doubletwist: I think I have x version 4.3.0
[07:09] <swim> is there a later version?
[07:11] <jintonic> nope, that was missing a terminating " and even with it, no luck
[07:11] <doubletwist> swim That sounds about right.
[07:11] <doubletwist> swim Don't think there's a newer version in warty.
[07:11] <aToaster> Heya guys, back with more questions, woo!
[07:12] <swim> hrmm
[07:12] <randabis> hey reisio
[07:12] <randabis> figured out how to change gnome splash screen
[07:12] <camh> jintonic: sorry, should be "*.mp3"
[07:12] <jintonic> its ok, i caught that part
[07:12] <aToaster> I'm having some lilo problems, everything seems to be in order in lilo.conf, but when the lilo screen comes up at boot, there is no screen asking me to choose what os I want, any ideas what might be the problem?
[07:13] <setite> uou guys still there?
[07:14] <setite> doubletwist
[07:14] <setite> fabbione 
[07:14] <Tyche> Hello everyone
[07:14] <doubletwist> setite Yes?
[07:14] <setite> it works now
[07:15] <doubletwist> excellent!
[07:15] <setite> i just restarted the whole pc
[07:15] <setite> haha... a classic easy fix
[07:15] <Tyche> I was hoping someone could tell me about a video editing software they use. I am looking for something like Adobe Premier that is on the PC.
[07:15] <setite> i hate to restart though
[07:15] <doubletwist> setite And I thought we were trying to get away with that in leaving windows.
[07:15] <aToaster> Any ideas why I wouldn't see a OS selection screen on lilo when I boot the pc?
[07:16] <setite> yea its a windows trick
[07:16] <randabis> yeah we don't reboot in linux land :p
[07:16] <setite> but i guess its just a pc trick in general
[07:16] <setite> well it fixed the problem so im happy
[07:16] <doubletwist> lilo can be installed without a 'menu'. You can hit TAB and it will show the available os's to boot into
[07:16] <setite> tyche?
[07:16] <setite> you mean adobe premier for linux?
[07:16] <doubletwist> of course, my desktop gets rebooted constantly [dual-boot] , but my servers, never.
[07:16] <aToaster> doubletwist, ah cool, is there any way I can leave the menu on?
[07:16] <setite> thats a good question...
[07:17] <doubletwist> aToaster Um... yes, but I don't know how :) I haven't messed with lilo in awhile.
[07:17] <setite> hey could someone compile ffmpeg for me
[07:17] <setite> i couldnt do it
[07:17] <Tyche> sesite: Why the question mark?
[07:17] <aToaster> doubletwist, hehe, thanks anyways, I'd go with grub but I have major problems with that
[07:17] <setite> well you said you wanted adobe premier for the pc
[07:17] <setite> its a pc program so that didnt make sense
[07:18] <randabis> um, I don't think you can compile a program for someone and then just send it to them lol
[07:18] <Tyche> No, I said I was hoping somone could tell me about a video editing software they use. I am looking for something LIKE ...
[07:18] <setite> well can you make the installer then send to me or something
[07:18] <setite> i couldnt do it
[07:18] <setite> it was driving me nuts
[07:18] <randabis> maybe make a .deb or something
[07:18] <doubletwist> randabis sure you can
[07:18] <setite> yea sure you can
[07:18] <setite> someone can
[07:18] <setite> or maybe i can try again
[07:18] <doubletwist> go as far as the 'make', then tarball up the dir, and they can untar and run the make install
[07:18] <randabis> doubletwist well yeah...:p
[07:19] <doubletwist> assuming you have similar hardware/libs installed and such.
[07:19] <setite> ok imma try to do it
[07:19] <randabis> right
[07:19] <jintonic> for i in `find /media/sda2/iPod_Control/Music -type f|grep '\.mp3$'`; do cp "$i" ~/noise/; done
[07:20] <randabis> if you get errors, post them here and maybe we can help debug
[07:20] <jintonic> that copies but only for the mp3s without spaces
[07:20] <aToaster> whats a chain loader?
[07:20] <setite> setite@ubuntu:~/ffmpeg-cvs-2004-11-10 $ sudo make
[07:20] <setite> Makefile:5: config.mak: No such file or directory
[07:20] <setite> make: *** No rule to make target `config.mak'.  Stop.
[07:20] <setite> i have to config first right
[07:20] <randabis> try ./configure first
[07:21] <doubletwist> setite you shouldn't need to sudo for anything but the 'make install'
[07:21] <setite> i know but it feels better to do
[07:21] <setite> ok i used ./configure
[07:21] <setite> now make?
[07:21] <randabis> yes
[07:21] <randabis> assuming configure went smoothly
[07:21] <setite> ok now its working
[07:22] <setite> i think i did this before
[07:22] <setite> but i didnt know where it went
[07:22] <doubletwist> man I haven't manually compiled any software in quite some time.
[07:22] <randabis> then afterwards make install
[07:22] <setite> yea i recall getting through make install and didnt know where it went
[07:22] <randabis> I did just the other day...mplayer
[07:22] <setite> make install does what
[07:22] <setite> make a .deb?
[07:22] <HarutoX> hey ppl
[07:22] <randabis> no
[07:22] <doubletwist> setite you can often control where it goes.
[07:22] <HarutoX> what i need to put inthis aplicantion sudo chown -R root:root /opt/skype_staticQT-0.92.0.12/
[07:22] <doubletwist> depending on the software.
[07:22] <HarutoX> $ nautilus applications:///Internet
[07:22] <randabis> it just installs the compiled program
[07:22] <setite> ok i need man pages or something... i feel too stupid
[07:23] <doubletwist> setite try ./configure --help
[07:23] <doubletwist> You can usualy get good info out of it.
[07:23] <setite> is compiling a process affected by cpu speed?
[07:23] <randabis> yes
[07:23] <HarutoX> doubletwist, yo if i want use nautilus for Internet what command i need to put in the console
[07:23] <randabis> it's directly tied to it
[07:24] <HarutoX> doubletwist, example $ nautilus applications:///Internet
[07:24] <setite> ok... maybe this will be done in the next yeat
[07:24] <doubletwist> HarutoX you mean like a web browser? I don't think it supports that.
[07:24] <randabis> setite depends on the size/complexity of the compile
[07:24] <HarutoX> and so what i need to doit
[07:24] <setite> ffmpeg is not a big app... but i dont know abotu complexity
[07:24] <randabis> why not just use firefox?
[07:24] <setite> i imagine it'd be simple
[07:24] <randabis> or konqueror
[07:24] <doubletwist> HarutoX Firefox
[07:24] <setite> firefox sucks
[07:25] <doubletwist> heh
[07:25] <doubletwist> I love firefox
[07:25] <setite> haha... jk... but it sucks for me
[07:25] <randabis> blasphemy!
[07:25] <doubletwist> why does it suck for you?
[07:25] <randabis> firefox pwns your children
[07:25] <doubletwist> I think it rox
[07:25] <setite> it takes forever to load... and forever to respond
[07:25] <doubletwist> I don't have any problems with it.
[07:25] <setite> ive ran it and opera side by side... opera is fast... firfox is not
[07:25] <setite> firefox ran fine in windows though
[07:25] <HarutoX> ty
[07:25] <setite> just not in ubuntu
[07:26] <jintonic> cp `find /media/sda2/iPod_Control/Music -type f|grep "\.mp3"` ~/noise
[07:26] <randabis> maybe it's the warty version
[07:26] <setite> maybe
[07:26] <jintonic> that does the exact same thing as that for routine
[07:26] <doubletwist> I haven't optimized my ubuntu yet, but it debian it starts quite quickly. [~2sec] 
[07:26] <setite> who knows
[07:26] <setite> but im not getting hoary yet
[07:26] <randabis> you could try the new firefox 1.0
[07:26] <setite> i have enough problem with stable distros
[07:26] <randabis> installing it in linux is pretty easy
[07:26] <setite> the last thing i want is more problem
[07:26] <setite> s
[07:26] <randabis> just a simple shell script
[07:27] <setite> oh 1.0 finally came out
[07:27] <Tyche> Does anyone do video editing on their ubuntu machine?
[07:27] <doubletwist> 1.0's been out for awhile
[07:27] <HarutoX> ow
[07:27] <setite> tyche get an app for it
[07:27] <randabis> yeah
[07:27] <setite> what level of editing
[07:27] <HarutoX> doubletwist,  ow what i need to doit im lost
[07:27] <Tyche> setite: That is what I am looking for...any suggestions on apps? I do not know of any.
[07:27] <doubletwist> You can use irc, but you don't know how to use a web browser? That's a first for me. :)
[07:28] <randabis> wahaha
[07:28] <setite> no i mean what level
[07:28] <doubletwist> HarutoX What exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[07:28] <setite> like uber editing with effects and hollywood shit
[07:28] <setite> or just encoding
[07:28] <setite> adobe premier is what you mentioned earlier right
[07:28] <setite> isnt that specifically a dvd authoring app
[07:28] <Tyche> setite: both, I want to take raw data, edit, hollywood up, then encode, and burn.
[07:29] <randabis> premiere is for video editing
[07:29] <HarutoX> doubletwist, ok i want ot install skype i follow the rules
[07:29] <randabis> not dvd authoring
[07:29] <Tyche> Adobe Premier, is just an editing app, they have other software to do DVD menus, burning, etc.
[07:29] <setite> i could swear i had a warez copy of premier for dvds
[07:29] <setite> it was adobe somethign
[07:29] <doubletwist> HarutoX As I said before, I have no idea how to install Skype. I've never used it in my life.
[07:29] <bigbubba> question: if i wanted to add fortune to my /etc/profile i specify the path right? and if so is it path="whatever path" or do i just type /usr/games/fortune without the path statement?
[07:30] <HarutoX> doubletwist, ty
[07:30] <doubletwist> bigbubba use using /usr/games/fortune will work.
[07:30] <randabis> I don't even know what skype is hehe
[07:30] <setite> well atm all i know of is the mainconcepts editor... i dont think its that good though... but imma start looking now since i want one too
[07:30] <setite> http://www.mainconcept.com/mainactor.shtml
[07:30] <bigbubba> so type at the end of it using /usr...?
[07:31] <setite> "Final Cut Pro on the Mac, and Premiere, for Windows, both provide professional quality video editing. Cinelerra is the closest and best Linux equivalent. First released in 1996 (under its original name, Broadcast 2000), this freely distributed non-linear editor (NLE) was developed natively and solely for Linux. The program continues to be updated and improved to this day."
[07:31] <setite> sound good?
[07:31] <Tyche> Yea, where did you find that?
[07:32] <setite> "Cinelerra includes many of the features of the pricey professional editors and some extras: real-time visual effects, FireWire input/output, render-farm capability, and even support for HDTV formats and Ogg Vorbis. The downside is that its hardware demands are quite unforgiving; the recommended configuration has a dual 2GHz Athlon system, with 1GB RAM and a 200GB hard drive."
[07:32] <setite> google
[07:32] <setite> google is your mother
[07:32] <HarutoX> ANYONE here use skype messenger
[07:32] <setite> http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2003/12/30/cinelerra.html
[07:32] <setite> almost
[07:32] <setite> my a64 rig should be able to do it
[07:33] <bigbubba> doub: what i was really hoping to be able to do was load a lost.sourceforge.net snippet on each loggin evidently fortune is not what i want :(
[07:33] <Se7h> does anyone knows how do maximize azureus? lolol
[07:33] <Se7h> (from tray)
[07:34] <setite> i love this movie!
[07:34] <setite> american weddign
[07:34] <doubletwist> bigbubba Dunno. Sorry.
[07:34] <setite> does anyone knwo how to close limewire
[07:34] <setite> it wont kill and it wont close
[07:35] <Gwildor> killall limewire?
[07:35] <jintonic> how do i set file associations in gnome?
[07:35] <Gwildor> in terminal
[07:35] <bigbubba> np no big deal just thought it would be cool to show a new tip every time i login
[07:35] <bigbubba> help me learn linux better
[07:36] <setite> killall and killall -9 wouldnt work
[07:37] <techn9ne> Se7h: double click it
[07:37] <Tyche> does anyone create flash files in linux?
[07:37] <Tyche> setite: What did you type in google to find that page?
[07:37] <techn9ne> Tyche, create flash? i would if i could
[07:37] <techn9ne> thats why i still have windows
[07:38] <eelriverlt> setite, ps aux | grep -i limewire to find the pid and state
[07:38] <Se7h> techn9ne well..no tray icon :P
[07:38] <techn9ne> are you sure its running?
[07:38] <bungle> this is ******
[07:38] <techn9ne> is it hung?
[07:39] <Tyche> bummer, sure would be nice to create flash
[07:39] <bungle> they dontmake airport card for g3's anywhere
[07:39] <bungle> I need 1
[07:39] <techn9ne> Se7h, hit the x and it should goto tray
[07:40] <techn9ne> Tyche, other ppl have gotten flash mx to work properly w/ wine
[07:40] <techn9ne> i couldnt make it work so i gave up
[07:40] <jintonic> how can i make a arbitrarily named file and put a line of text in it, with one command?
[07:41] <mparenti> how can i make mypanel have bi levels to toggle windows w/?
[07:41] <setite> tyche
[07:41] <setite> i googled "video editing linux"
[07:41] <setite> i find that google is pretty forgiving with searching
[07:41] <techn9ne> jintonic, i dont remember but they show you at linuxcommand.org
[07:42] <randabis> google pwnt lycos and everyone else
[07:43] <eelriverlt> jintonic, echo "line of text" > filename
[07:43] <setite> lycos
[07:43] <setite> whats that
[07:44] <setite> haha... the only cool thing abotu lycos is the commercials
[07:44] <setite> the best used to be webcrawler
[07:44] <setite> but that was before search engines hit off
[07:44] <doubletwist> the best used to be altavista :) back when it was altavista.digital.com
[07:44] <setite> yea that was nice... after webcrawler died
[07:44] <setite> webcrawler was raw
[07:44] <doubletwist> hotbot had some funny commercials too.
[07:44] <setite> it could find anything
[07:45] <doubletwist> Of course, we could go way back and extoll the virtues of archie. :)
[07:45] <setite> archie?
[07:45] <doubletwist> haha
[07:45] <setite> i think that might be before my time
[07:46] <doubletwist> It was from a time before the www. archie was a utility to search for files on ftp servers.
[07:46] <setite> i would say... 1998/99 was when i started using search engines
[07:46] <setite> before that it was just the aol search
[07:46] <setite> oh
[07:46] <doubletwist> And veronica was used to search gopher servers [gopher was the pre-www web basically] 
[07:46] <doubletwist> I kind of miss those days.
[07:47] <doubletwist> before every lame punk was flaming at the drop of a hat, and corrupto corporations weren't trying to take over the internet for profit.
[07:47] <HarutoX> doubletwist, u know with game i can install in ubuntu ?
[07:48] <doubletwist> HarutoX use synaptic and look int he games section.
[07:48] <randabis> hah I actually remember archie
[07:48] <setite> i want a FPS for linux
[07:48] <setite> i just need to shoot something or im gonna lose it
[07:48] <randabis> back in my bbs days
[07:48] <techn9ne> setite, i think quake2 is OSS
[07:49] <setite> i tried ut2003 demo
[07:49] <randabis> quake 3 arena, doom 3, enemy territory
[07:49] <setite> but it crashed
[07:49] <randabis> all have linux ports
[07:49] <randabis> not oss though
[07:49] <setite> i figure its because vesa doesnt support opengl
[07:49] <doubletwist> ut2k4 ran fine in linux [haven't tried the 64bit port yet.
[07:49] <HarutoX> doubletwist, hey in which directories i can fined synaptic
[07:50] <HarutoX> doubletwist, nvm i find it
[07:50] <HarutoX> hehe
[07:50] <setite> hey doom legacy
[07:50] <setite> hehe
[07:50] <doubletwist> argh
[07:50] <doubletwist> Ok, this is the one downside to xfce in debian-based distros...
[07:50] <setite> oog gameboy emulator
[07:50] <setite> where can i get roms
[07:50] <Agrajag> nowhere legal
[07:50] <doubletwist> I can't get it to update the menu for a few days, then all of a sudden it starts working. grrr
[07:51] <setite> oh quake2 is on synaptic
[07:51] <randabis> hah
[07:51] <randabis> there's a gba emulator too
[07:51] <randabis> visualboyadvance
[07:51] <randabis> and don't forget good ol' zsnes
[07:51] <zenwhen> i wish visualboyadvance worked with my joystick
[07:51] <randabis> ME TOO
[07:51] <zenwhen> Its worthless without that
[07:51] <randabis> I agree
[07:51] <zenwhen> But znes rocks
[07:51] <zenwhen> and Mupen64
[07:52] <setite> qUAKE2
[07:52] <randabis> it detects it for me, but my axises don't work
[07:52] <zenwhen> For WRESTLEMANIA 2000
[07:52] <randabis> I can set buttons, etc, but the axes won't work
[07:52] <zenwhen> is there a gui for it somewhere?
[07:52] <randabis> I use the gnomeboy advance frontend
[07:52] <randabis> yes gnomeboy advance
[07:52] <zenwhen> huh
[07:52] <zenwhen> wts
[07:52] <randabis> there are .debs out there for it
[07:53] <jintonic> how can i change file associations in gnome?
[07:53] <randabis> yeah can't forget mupen64
[07:53] <setite> what! no ati vs nvidia wars
[07:53] <setite> whats the fun in thta :)
[07:53] <doubletwist> Hmm, there seems to be a minor bug in nautilus...
[07:53] <randabis> well, it's not really a war in linux
[07:53] <randabis> nvidia pwns ati in linux
[07:54] <zenwhen> its more of an "nvidia wins"
[07:54] <randabis> hehe
[07:54] <setite> agreed
[07:54] <setite> there is no war
[07:54] <setite> its over before it started
[07:54] <doubletwist> when I go to an nfs mount, it shows a horribly incorrect number for the space free..
[07:54] <randabis> in windows...I'd say more of a draw...depends on what you're comparing
[07:54] <setite> i dont think anyone... in their right mind can pick ati when making a rig with linux in mind
[07:54] <jintonic> how can i change file associations in gnome?
[07:54] <zenwhen> Its arguable in windows, but who wants to run Windows to have the need for said argument?
[07:54] <setite> yea in windows it comes down to what the developers chose
[07:54] <doubletwist> I've got about 77GB free on the NFS mount [out of 120gig] , but nautilus seems to think I have 297.1GB free.
[07:55] <setite> like doom3 = nvidia
[07:55] <setite> hl2=ati
[07:55] <setite> but both games kick ass on both cards
[07:55] <randabis> meh, I thought hl2 was overrated
[07:55] <doubletwist> I'm so glad I finally got rid of my ati. I loved it in windows, but it was a nightmare in linux.
[07:55] <setite> hell yea it was
[07:55] <setite> i bought it for cs source
[07:55] <randabis> I was so dissapointed by the shitty ending
[07:55] <bigbubba> i looked in the man for fortune and really didn't see anything about this how do you create the files for it? lets say i have a bunch of lame personal jokes i want to show when users login at random how would i modify fortune to do this thanks in advance
[07:55] <setite> i played it for 20 mins
[07:55] <setite> when i was runnign through the apartment building i said screw this
[07:56] <setite> cheat code time
[07:56] <randabis> wahaha
[07:56] <randabis> I think cheats make fps' more fun
[07:56] <setite> they really do
[07:56] <doubletwist> I stopped playing it because I've been playing JointOps co-op with my father-in-law...
[07:56] <daniels> GUYS
[07:56] <doubletwist> I've decided I will no longer pay for games that don't have network coop ability.
[07:57] <mparenti> how can i mount my hd3 partition?
[07:57] <daniels> the last component of the topic: 'ATI vs nVidia flamewars are offtopic.'
[07:57] <setite> like i dont get how im supposed to run through the building... then shimmy across the edge of the room to a window while be chased and shot at... with no gun
[07:57] <mparenti> what the mount command
[07:57] <daniels> if you want to talk about games and video cards, please use #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:57] <setite> doubletwist... you wont be buying many games then
[07:57] <setite> and even ones that have it... sometimes it sucks
[07:58] <setite> brb... gonna restart x and see if quake shows up in my game menu
[07:58] <doubletwist> And I was even limiting the non-linux-compatible games I was buying ;) [or non-ubuntu-compatible, to keep it on-topic :) ] 
[07:58] <randabis> lol he's just plugging his channel
[07:58] <doubletwist> argh, why won't my menus show up?
[07:58] <daniels> randabis: no, #ubuntu-offtopic is not 'my channel'.  it is where offtopic discussion goes.  and this incredibly long discussion which is drowning out support requests, is offtopic.
[07:59] <randabis> ah my bad
[07:59] <randabis> didn't realize this is strictly a support chan
[07:59] <doubletwist> ah-hah! Got it!
[07:59] <doubletwist> got to run 'update-menus'...
[07:59] <setite> huh?
[07:59] <setite> where did it go
[07:59] <daniels> randabis: it's a support channel first and foremost, so if a discussion is interfering with that, then it has to move
[08:00] <setite> the only thing i dont like abotu ubuntu is that
[08:00] <randabis> oic
[08:00] <setite> when i install something it doesnt show up in a list immediately
[08:00] <Gwildor> doubletwist: sometimes, just a log-out will work....no need to restart X.....all the time
[08:00] <randabis> setite sometimes it does..it's weird
[08:00] <setite> well i was told that the app must be designed to do it
[08:00] <Gwildor> yeah
[08:00] <doubletwist> Gwildor tried that, didn't work. Sometimes the menu's don't show up for days.
[08:00] <Gwildor> well, i think PACKAGED to do it
[08:01] <Gwildor> yeah, sometimes
[08:01] <Gwildor> i was just trying to prevent you rom neadlesly restarting X.....
[08:01] <doubletwist> Do the ubuntu kernels have the mppe patches?
[08:01] <setite> well someone tell me where it is
[08:01] <doubletwist> setite apt-get install menu  then run update-menus
[08:02] <doubletwist> Not sure what the effect will be in gnome though. :)
[08:02] <Gwildor> isnt menu isntalled by default?
[08:02] <doubletwist> it wasn't for me
[08:02] <randabis> it is on mine
[08:02] <doubletwist> well, there's a gnome specific one I think installed.
[08:02] <Gwildor> idk...maye it jsut came with flux
[08:02] <setite> what is this doing
[08:03] <setite> how do i run update-menus
[08:03] <doubletwist> I just ran it from a console
[08:03] <daniels> randabis: i'll thank you to not do that again
[08:03] <setite> how
[08:03] <setite> i dont know how to run things
[08:03] <randabis> sorry
[08:03] <doubletwist> open a terminal and type "update-menus" without the quotes.
[08:03] <setite> i dont know how to do anything from terminal
[08:04] <doubletwist> then hit Enter
[08:04] <setite> so that how to run a program on this from terminal
[08:04] <setite> just type the name
[08:04] <doubletwist> or I supposed you can do it from "Run Program" if gnome has something like that.
[08:04] <setite> nothing else
[08:04] <doubletwist> setite yeah
[08:04] <randabis> now's a good time to learn
[08:04] <doubletwist> setite generally.
[08:04] <setite> cool
[08:04] <randabis> terminal makes things very easy
[08:05] <setite> where is quake
[08:05] <setite> should i type quake2
[08:05] <setite> or quake
[08:05] <doubletwist> Like I said earlier, I usually use the terminal to install things, since I can type "apt-get install program" faster than I can open synaptic, search, select the program, and apply.
[08:05] <randabis> dunno
[08:05] <doubletwist> you can try to type 'qua' and then hit TAB and it  will auto-complete the command if it can.
[08:05] <setite> quake2 wont run
[08:05] <randabis> dt, yeah and apt-cache search is handy too
[08:06] <setite> i think im missing something
[08:06] <setite> i installed the quake2 and quake2-data
[08:06] <setite> ------- Loading ref_softx.so -------
[08:06] <setite> LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory
[08:06] <setite> SNDDMA_Shutdown
[08:06] <setite> recursive shutdown
[08:06] <setite> Error: Couldn't fall back to software refresh!
[08:06] <HarutoX> Anyone one have a halflife game in ubuntu working already ?
[08:07] <HarutoX> setite
[08:07] <setite> what
[08:07] <HarutoX> setite, how u install the quake2
[08:07] <setite> i used synaptic
[08:07] <setite> damn game wont run though
[08:07] <HarutoX> setite, give me the commands i try to help u
[08:07] <doubletwist> yeah, how did you install it? I don't have it listed anywhere.
[08:08] <setite> double who me?
[08:08] <HarutoX> setite, hey be nice and help us we dun have the list
[08:08] <setite> what list
[08:08] <HarutoX> setite, may we can fix it the error
[08:08] <setite> your confusing me
[08:08] <HarutoX> setite, the list of synaptic
[08:08] <doubletwist> setite it doesn't show up in my synaptic lists [or with an apt-cache search quake] 
[08:09] <HarutoX> setite, i dun have it anymore
[08:09] <setite> oh... lemme see what its on
[08:09] <randabis> maybe it's a multiverse
[08:09] <HarutoX> setite, just put the commands for install quake2
[08:09] <setite> yea i dont know how to figure out what repo its on
[08:09] <setite> its installed already
[08:09] <setite> synaptic installe dit
[08:09] <doubletwist> is multiverse different than universe?
[08:09] <setite> but i get errors when runnign it
[08:09] <randabis> I'm installing it now to test
[08:10] <randabis> multiverse is nonfree programs
[08:10] <doubletwist> ah
[08:10] <setite> nonfree?
[08:10] <doubletwist> that would explain it
[08:10] <HarutoX> setite, give me the commands u using for install quake2
[08:10] <setite> im using synaptic... i dont knwo the commands
[08:10] <HarutoX> ...
[08:10] <randabis> hmm
[08:10] <setite> apt-get install quake2 id guess... but i dont know how to install from synaptic
[08:10] <setite> there are two packages
[08:11] <randabis> I installed it, can't find the binary either
[08:11] <setite> quake2 and quake2-data
[08:11] <Gwildor> get both
[08:11] <randabis> I'm gonna search in /usr/bin and /usr/bin/local
[08:11] <setite> randabis imma PM you the info on the quake2-data
[08:11] <doubletwist> I'm installing it now, I'll see where it goes.
[08:11] <setite> i think thats whats wrong
[08:12] <eelriverlt> whereis quake
[08:12] <HarutoX> wtf
[08:12] <eelriverlt> or father whereis quake2
[08:13] <eelriverlt> father/rather
[08:13] <doubletwist> it's in /usr/games
[08:13] <HarutoX> setite, just u double click on quake2?
[08:13] <Cube-ness> hey.. a friend is trying to install ubuntu, but the installer doesnt see the hd partitions properly.. sees each hd as a giant fat partition... but other oses work and see themn fine.. something that can be done about this?
[08:14] <setite> yea i selected it... then applied
[08:14] <doubletwist> setite Looks like you're not the only one ahving this problem. I have it too, and this guy did as well: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7205
[08:14] <HarutoX> setite, but i doit the same and i dun see nothing
[08:14] <randabis> yeah
[08:14] <randabis> I can't find where it went
[08:15] <setite> it could be on multiverse
[08:15] <doubletwist> . /usr/games/quake2
[08:15] <HarutoX> setite, u downloading the quake2 already?
[08:15] <setite> or on marillat
[08:15] <doubletwist> yes it is in multiverse
[08:15] <randabis> I ran the binary, but get an error
[08:16] <setite> me too
[08:16] <setite> the error makes me think i need the files
[08:16] <setite> but i installed quake2-data like it said to
[08:16] <randabis> oh well, I'll settle for quake 3
[08:16] <doubletwist> no, check out that link I posted.
[08:16] <doubletwist> the ref_softx.so is missing.
[08:16] <randabis> heh
[08:17] <setite> yea
[08:17] <doubletwist> The guy pulled it out of the original tgz for quake2
[08:17] <setite> ill settle for anything
[08:17] <doubletwist> it's a bug in the ubuntu dev for quake2 [or quake2-data] 
[08:17] <setite> yea in quake2-data i think
[08:17] <doubletwist> Anyway, I gotta get to bed. Later
[08:18] <setite> os americas army available for linux
[08:18] <HarutoX> doubletwist, i have the aplication on it what command i need to put it for installing
[08:19] <setite> hey they have americas army for linux
[08:19] <randabis> yes they do
[08:19] <randabis> I was never a fan of AA though
[08:19] <setite> i just want to shoot someone
[08:20] <setite> if tux had a gun and was shooting the ms butterfly id be happy
[08:20] <HarutoX> setite, hey when u get the aplication for intalling quake2 what more i need to do it
[08:20] <HarutoX> ?
[08:20] <daniels> debuild -us -uc  4537.04s user 552.62s system 75% cpu 1:53:02.66 total
[08:20] <setite> harutox i wouldnt do it
[08:20] <daniels> i need a faster laptop
[08:20] <setite> something is wrong with it
[08:21] <setite> there is two packages quake2 and quake2-data
[08:21] <setite> but it doesnt seem to work
[08:22] <setite> ok i g2g take a shower then go to work... see yall later
[08:27] <randabis> still haven't sorted out this bootsplash problem
[08:28] <HarutoX> doubletwist, hey can u help me with this root@ubuntu:/home/haruto # apt-cache search quake2
[08:28] <HarutoX> egoboo - 3D dungeon crawling adventure in the spirit of NetHack
[08:28] <HarutoX> egoboo-data - Egoboo data files.
[08:28] <HarutoX> qstat - Command-line tool for querying quake (and other) servers
[08:28] <HarutoX> quake2 - improved version of id Software's Quake II engine
[08:28] <HarutoX> quake2-data - Installer for Quake II data files
[08:28] <HarutoX> root@ubuntu:/home/haruto #
[08:31] <jintonic> what's a good pdf reader for linux?
[08:31] <Agrajag> gpdf
[08:31] <HarutoX> any can help how i can install quake2 ?
[08:31] <zenrox> xpdf
[08:31] <jdub> jintonic: gpdf or xpdf
[08:31] <jintonic> hehe
[08:31] <Agrajag> install them both
[08:31] <HarutoX> ?
[08:31] <jdub> jintonic: (use xpdf where gpdf has font rendering problems)
[08:31] <zenrox> or the actual acroreader from thare site
[08:31] <jintonic> xpdf comes with ubuntu
[08:31] <HarutoX> any can help how i can install quake2 ?
[08:31] <jintonic> i don't like it though, very unix'y
[08:31] <Agrajag> also maybe ggv, I've had it read some files both xpdf and gpdf choked on
[08:32] <jdub> jintonic: try gpdf then :)
[08:32] <maximaus> mornin' all, discussing pdf readers?
[08:33] <randabis> HarutoX, it's a BUG
[08:33] <HarutoX> ?
[08:33] <zenrox> how do i mount and iso
[08:33] <HarutoX> randabis, what u mean?
[08:33] <zenrox> an
[08:33] <randabis> quake2 package doesn't work corrected
[08:33] <randabis> it's bugged
[08:34] <randabis> zenrox
[08:34] <HarutoX> randabis~ erm
[08:34] <HarutoX> ....
[08:34] <HarutoX> damn
[08:34] <jintonic> hrm... gpdf isn't working :-/
[08:34] <zenrox> randabis,  yes
[08:34] <jintonic> i bet i know why too! does it use opengl to render the pdf's?
[08:34] <HarutoX> randabis, u know another coll game may can i install
[08:35] <jintonic> because my damn video card won't run glx
[08:35] <randabis> mount -mount -o loop -t iso9660 debian-sid.iso /mnt/isoimage/
[08:35] <randabis> -mount -o loop -t iso9660 debian-sid.iso /mnt/isoimage/
[08:35] <randabis> err
[08:35] <randabis> mount -o loop -t iso9660 debian-sid.iso /mnt/isoimage/
[08:35] <randabis> there
[08:35] <randabis> but you have to modprobe loop first
[08:36] <HarutoX> randabis, i hae a cedega its nice but some games dun working for me
[08:36] <zenrox> randabis,  it works
[08:36] <HarutoX> well c ya i go to downloading unrealturnament for use cedega
[08:36] <randabis> Haruto - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5153
[08:37] <Agrajag> what
[08:37] <Agrajag> there's a native linux version of UT
[08:37] <randabis> unreal tournament is native
[08:37] <randabis> 2k3 and 2k4 anyway
[08:37] <randabis> not sure about the original
[08:37] <zenrox> ran yes it is
[08:38] <randabis> zenrox cool...:) it will only mount iso though...no bins
[08:38] <jintonic> fglrx returns: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:38] <jintonic> fglrxinfo i mean
[08:38] <randabis> there's a package that can convert bin to iso though
[08:38] <jintonic> how can i fix that?
[08:38] <zenrox> randabis,  ya its called bchunker
[08:38] <randabis> yeah
[08:39] <randabis> forgot the name heh
[08:39] <zenrox> randabis,  but it dont work to well on vcd format
[08:39] <randabis> ah
[08:39] <randabis> haven't tried it
[08:39] <zenrox> so its a pain
[08:40] <randabis> oh, you can edit your fstab to mount that iso automatically if you want
[08:40] <zenrox> ya i have done that
[08:40] <randabis> alrighty then hehe
[08:40] <zenrox> just fergot the command
[08:40] <zenrox> once i had the command i fegured out the fstab format
[08:41] <randabis> great
[08:41] <zenrox> i have remote shares mounted so i can acess them
[08:41] <HarutoX> randabis, hey this person got a scripts makeself
[08:41] <randabis> yeah I have some nfs shares mounted on the laptop
[08:42] <HarutoX> hey
[08:42] <zenrox> mine are samba on another ubuntu box(headless remote login to gdm enabled)
[08:42] <HarutoX> randabis, so the quake arena 3 working ?
[08:42] <pankey_> UBUNTU ROXS
[08:42] <randabis> yes
[08:42] <jintonic> i get this error whenever i run fglrxinfo or try to run any opengl enabled app: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:42] <randabis> you have to have the original cd though
[08:43] <randabis> to copy the pak file over
[08:43] <jintonic> my XF86-Config-4 has Load "glx" uncommented
[08:43] <randabis> pankey_ indeed
[08:43] <HarutoX> randabis, u have the original cd?
[08:43] <pankey_> UBUNTU ROXS OUR WORLD
[08:43] <randabis> sort of
[08:43] <randabis> *snicker*
[08:44] <jintonic> i've tried all kinds of drivers for my video card but this problem is still there
[08:44] <HarutoX> randabis, ?
[08:44] <jintonic> anybody have any ideas?
[08:44] <randabis> I won't go into that
[08:47] <HarutoX> heheheeh
[08:47] <HarutoX> bb guys
[08:47] <HarutoX> i got o downlowding ut2004
[08:48] <randabis> heh
[08:48] <randabis> I don't see the point
[08:48] <randabis> you won't be able to play it online without a valid cd key
[08:49] <Agrajag> randabis: oh good, he won't have to play with annoying 15-year-olds that accuse him of cheating
[08:50] <randabis> haha
[08:50] <atariboy> anyone using mythTV on ubuntu?
[08:57] <BillyAnachronism> Hi, I'm having problems with ubuntu ppc install
[08:57] <BillyAnachronism> I can't get the base install to finish
[08:57] <BillyAnachronism> I've tried reburning the iso and redownloading and burning the iso but still have the same problems
[08:57] <BillyAnachronism> can anyone tell me where to get instructions to install it totally through the net?
[09:00] <bob2> er
[09:00] <bob2> you did check that the cd was burnt correctly, right?
[09:00] <BillyAnachronism> yes
[09:00] <BillyAnachronism> I've reburnt it like 10 times
[09:00] <bob2> no
[09:00] <BillyAnachronism> and downloaded the iso twice
[09:00] <BillyAnachronism> ?
[09:00] <bob2> that's not "checking", that's reburning it
[09:00] <bob2> you need to check the iso
[09:00] <BillyAnachronism> well, I redownloaded the iso
[09:00] <bob2> that doesn't help either
[09:01] <BillyAnachronism> from a different place?
[09:01] <bob2> run the "check iso" or whatever it is from the installer meniu
[09:01] <bob2> how would redownloading it help?
[09:01] <bob2> you said last night that you'd checked the md5sum of the .iso file and that it was fine
[09:01] <BillyAnachronism> yes
[09:01] <bob2> so downloading it again won't help
[09:01] <bob2> does the check disk option say the cd is ok?
[09:01] <BillyAnachronism> I downloaded from a different place
[09:02] <BillyAnachronism> bob2, yes it does
[09:02] <bob2> you're sure? no errors at all?
[09:02] <Cube-ness> what would cause the installer to see hd's as gigantic fat16 partitions, rather than the individual partitions that are there, non of which are fat16?
[09:02] <Cube-ness> none
[09:02] <tr011> hi, one ask, i have all ready finish to install ubuntu warty... but... the setup process never askme for a root password... how can i login as root ???
[09:02] <Cube-ness> tr011, you dont need root
[09:02] <BillyAnachronism> bob2, sorry
[09:02] <bob2> tr011: please read the FAQ
[09:02] <Cube-ness> sudo is your friend
[09:03] <bob2> tr011: which is in the topic.
[09:03] <BillyAnachronism> I thought you were checking whether it did check cd
[09:03] <BillyAnachronism> bob2, but is there a way to install straight from net"?
[09:03] <tr011> Cube-ness, bob2, thanks...
[09:03] <bob2> BillyAnachronism: so it says the cd is *not* ok?
[09:03] <Cube-ness> please.. this installer issue is really confusing.. hehe
[09:03] <bob2> Cube-ness: try asking on the user list
[09:04] <BillyAnachronism> bob2, i haven't checked this iso
[09:04] <BillyAnachronism> give me a second..
[09:06] <pankey_> emerge bob2
[09:06] <pankey_> cya all
[09:07] <pankey_> i have a server with 10mb/s bw and its going to waste this month
[09:07] <pankey_> should i go in the ubuntu bittorrent?
[09:08] <BillyAnachronism> do macs require any special hard-drives or cd-roms to work properly?
[09:08] <BillyAnachronism> because I'm not usuing original mac hdd
[09:08] <bob2> no
[09:09] <bob2> is the cd ok?
[09:09] <BillyAnachronism> I started with the mac cd before but replaced it because I couldn't get it install.. so its back in now
[09:09] <BillyAnachronism> I'm still trying to check
[09:09] <BillyAnachronism> I've been fiddling round with the ide connections
[09:09] <BillyAnachronism> ok.. got it up now
[09:09] <BillyAnachronism> ill test now
[09:10] <BillyAnachronism> checking..
[09:11] <BillyAnachronism> ive been at this for so long.
[09:11] <BillyAnachronism> I'm pretty sure I can win this war
[09:11] <BillyAnachronism> I'm having doubts about the hard drive though
[09:13] <MM2> does ubuntu support net install?
[09:15] <bob2> yes
[09:16] <MM2> from boot floppy?
[09:17] <BillyAnachronism> bob2, cd is fine
[09:17] <BillyAnachronism> just checked it
[09:17] <bob2> don't believe there are boot floppy images for warty
[09:17] <BillyAnachronism> 100% perfecto-mundo
[09:17] <BillyAnachronism> now I have to figure out what exactly is the problem
[09:18] <BillyAnachronism> because I've already established the media is fine
[09:18] <BillyAnachronism> I would like to find instructions for a total net install
[09:19] <BillyAnachronism> is it bad that the hard drive is being detected as hdc ?
[09:19] <MM2> I also have a install CD, but would like to have boot floppies... I have 17 comps I should install ubuntu.
[09:19] <bob2> BillyAnachronism: no
[09:19] <BillyAnachronism> hmm
[09:19] <bob2> MM2: there are no boot floppy images for warty
[09:19] <bob2> you can use fai or something, I believe
[09:19] <MM2> so I can't install ubuntu from net with floppies
[09:19] <BillyAnachronism> fai?
[09:19] <BillyAnachronism> bob2, how do you go about installing from net with cd.. or however you do it?
[09:20] <MM2> So I install Mandrake :/ or FC :(
[09:20] <bob2> I don't know how to do it on ppc
[09:20] <bob2> MM2: er, why don't you just do a network install using pxe or such?
[09:21] <lichte> hello, ubuntuists
[09:21] <lichte> during the install, I'm not given a chance to set the root password, and it doesn't tell me what it is, is there a way to use root?
[09:22] <wezzer-> yes
[09:22] <bob2> lichte: please read the FAQ
[09:22] <wezzer-> by using sudo
[09:22] <BillyAnachronism> hehe
[09:22] <wezzer-> type sudo su root , and you are a root
[09:22] <BillyAnachronism> oh I'm so annoyed I could jump out of mee skin..
[09:22] <wezzer-> passwords which it asks is yours
[09:22] <BillyAnachronism> I just want it to install like a nice ubuntu ppc cd should
[09:23] <lichte> bob2: I have read the faq
[09:23] <bob2> lichte: then it explains all this.
[09:23] <lichte> bob2: didn't see anything about root on the faq
[09:23] <lichte> bob2: if I had, I wouldn't be here
[09:23] <bob2> lichte: it's likie the first item
[09:23] <lichte> no it isn't
[09:24] <bob2> lichte: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[09:25] <lichte> wezzer-: thanks :)
[09:25] <bob2> it's the first instance of the word 'root' on the faq page, and the full text is 'What's the root password after I install? How do I use the root account?'
[09:25] <BillyAnachronism> lol
[09:26] <BillyAnachronism> installing now for #50
[09:26] <lichte> bob2: not it isn't, I'm just clicked on the faq page and it isn't there
[09:26] <bob2> lichte: er, perhaps your browser is broken, it is most certainly there.
[09:26] <lichte> it must be, it's certainly not the first item, as you said
[09:27] <bob2> yes, I know it's not the first item
[09:28] <lichte> ok, well, I'm off to reboot into ubuntu
[09:28] <bob2> that was hyperbole.  it is, however, confusingly hidden behind the question 'What's the root password after I install? How do I use the root account?'
[09:30] <BillyAnachronism> ok.. problems
[09:30] <BillyAnachronism> I've found
[09:30] <BillyAnachronism> it actually doesn't just stop installing
[09:30] <BillyAnachronism> it stalls
[09:30] <BillyAnachronism> bizarre or what
[09:30] <BillyAnachronism> maybe nasty hardware problems
[09:30] <BillyAnachronism> it just kinda happens at a random time
[09:30] <BillyAnachronism> I'll look further into it
[09:32] <jintonic> glx isn't loading for some reason on my ati radeon 9200se, anybody have any ideas why not?
[09:33] <bob2> no
[09:33] <bob2> you forgot to mention that you're using firegl
[09:33] <jintonic> hey bob :)
[09:33] <jintonic> :-/ what other options are there for radeon?
[09:34] <bob2> 9200se gets acceleration from the normal Free radeon driver
[09:34] <Ensiferum> BillyAnachronism: having problems with harddisks perhaps?
[09:34] <BillyAnachronism> Ensiferum, thats what I'm trying to figure out
[09:34] <bob2> I'm not even sure firegl does antyhing useful on them
[09:34] <Ensiferum> BillyAnachronism: got SATA chipset?
[09:34] <BillyAnachronism> Ensiferum, its a blue and white g3
[09:34] <BillyAnachronism> ide
[09:35] <Ensiferum> I see. I just bumbed onto a bug in libata... (my SATA problems were because of that)
[09:35] <birger> I'm getting 'Segfault in Samba'. Is this a bug?
[09:35] <jintonic> ati.com offers the firegl for the radeon 9200 series
[09:35] <Ensiferum> fixed in 2.6.9 kernel though
[09:36] <Ensiferum> birger: yes
[09:36] <BillyAnachronism> Ensiferum, i can't even get past installing base
[09:36] <BillyAnachronism> Ensiferum, do you know how to net install with ppc ?
[09:36] <birger> Ensiferum: thanks
[09:36] <Ensiferum> BillyAnachronism: sorry no :|
[09:36] <bob2> jintonic: why don't you just use the regular Free driver?
[09:36] <bob2> jintonic: you found it too slow, and you know for a fact firegl is faster?
[09:36] <Ensiferum> BillyAnachronism: why wont it install base? Locks up?
[09:37] <jintonic> the regular free driver? you mean the generic driver that comes with ubuntu?
[09:37] <jintonic> because that driver does not work
[09:37] <bob2> yes it does
[09:37] <bob2> if it doesn't work for *you*, please file a bug
[09:38] <jintonic> i already did
[09:38] <daniels> jintonic: if it's what I think it is, that bug is tagged NEEDINFO
[09:38] <BillyAnachronism> Ensiferum, yes it locks for some reason
[09:38] <BillyAnachronism> I can't figure out why
[09:38] <daniels> (https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5240)
[09:38] <BillyAnachronism> I've checked all my media and reburnt iso
[09:38] <BillyAnachronism> the cd is fine though
[09:38] <BillyAnachronism> I'm trying to figure out what the hardware fault is
[09:38] <BillyAnachronism> It gets to varying positions in the install and then dies
[09:40] <jintonic> yup, that's my bug
[09:40] <Ensiferum> BillyAnachronism: ok. what chipset do you have?
[09:40] <BillyAnachronism> Ensiferum, its the blue and white tower g3
[09:41] <daniels> jintonic: well, the sooner I can get that info, the sooner I can fix your bug
[09:41] <BillyAnachronism> Ensiferum, where would it say the chipset?
[09:41] <BillyAnachronism> (I'm not a ppc user normally.. I just found this one)
[09:42] <ernstp> Cool, Eclipse 3 on AMD64 with SabelVM works!
[09:42] <jintonic> and its on warty, not hoary. i don't have a backup of the log from original install, i could reinstall mebbe tomorrow to get that
[09:42] <surbiff> can i install rpm in ubuntu?
[09:43] <Ensiferum> BillyAnachronism: aha, a mac
[09:43] <BillyAnachronism> #51 install try
[09:43] <Ensiferum> surbiff: what you need rpm for? they are evil :|
[09:44] <Ensiferum> BillyAnachronism: sorry. cant help ya on mac.
[09:44] <jintonic> er, heh, i guess i could just swap the driver :P but i'm upgrading to hoary right now..
[09:44] <ernstp> What's the problem with the mac?
[09:44] <surbiff> ok. i want midnight commander or something like that. were can i find pakages to install
[09:45] <Ensiferum> surbiff: checked out synaptic?
[09:45] <TheMuso> surbiff: Have you enabled universe and tried to do a search for mc or midnight commander?
[09:46] <surbiff> no, that i can try, thnx
[09:46] <bob2> (wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto)
[09:46] <TheMuso> surbiff: mc is in universe.
[09:46] <surbiff> thanks.
[09:54] <DaNewB> If I remove a package with Synaptic. does it delete the .deb file?
[09:57] <trey3> DaNewB: no... it removes the file the .deb placed on your system... .deb file is still in /var/cache/apt/archive
[09:59] <DaNewB> trey3, ok, so if wish to reinstall later, it wont have to download again, right?
[10:00] <trey3> DaNewB: correct
[10:01] <DaNewB> trey3, thnks for the tip!
[10:02] <trey3> ;)
[10:03] <jintonic> daniels: ya there?
[10:03] <bob2> probably best to follow up to the bug report
[10:05] <jintonic> yeah, i'm going to, but there's another possibly related problem... when i try to do the ubuntu setup it sometimes freezes at the language selection
[10:06] <jintonic> even the num lock key doesn't make the led go on/of
[10:06] <jintonic> that has also happened a couple times after reboot into ubuntu, as soon as the kernel was loaded, the num lock key no longer visibly did anything
[10:07] <kamandag> where can i get the human wallpapers?
[10:07] <kamandag> :)
[10:07] <trey3> kamandag: ubuntu-calender
[10:08] <jintonic> ubuntu setup froze at the language selection ~4 of the ~8 times i've run it
[10:09] <daniels> jintonic: yo
[10:09] <kamandag> trey3, is there a site where I can download it? I don't have a net connection at home
[10:09] <jintonic> seems like hardware problems, sure.. but i haven't noticed any problems in the year i've been using it on xp
[10:10] <jintonic> hey daniels, what do you make of what i've been saying?
[10:11] <trey3> kamandag: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ubuntu-calendar/    get the 4.10_all.deb for warty, 5.04 for hoary
[10:11] <jintonic> also, i'm reinstalling ubuntu right now (after restarting 3 times because it froze at language selection)
[10:11] <daniels> jintonic: i'm not sure, sorry
[10:13] <Ensiferum> jintonic: tried expert installation?=
[10:13] <jintonic> something i was thinking that might be associated is that every time i would boot ubuntu i saw an error on PCI:0000:000:002.1 which lspci identified as some kind of uknown SiS hardware (SiS chipset on my motherboard)
[10:14] <jintonic> nope, i havent tried expert install, it just completed normal install now
[10:14] <kamandag> trey3, thanx
[10:14] <Ensiferum> jintonic: so it works after all?
[10:14] <errr> isnt SiS a nic?
[10:14] <jintonic> yeah, install wo0rks 1/2 the time
[10:15] <jintonic> PCI: cannot access region 4 of device PCI:0000:00:02.1
[10:16] <Ensiferum> doesnt seem nice
[10:16] <jintonic> yeah, kinda funky
[10:21] <jintonic> SiS probably makes a lot of electronics, i know them for their shitty motherboard chipsets, though :)
[10:22] <Ensiferum> jintonic: lshw
[10:23] <kamandag> if i want to have dvd playback, and again no net connection at home, all i need is libdvdcss2_1.2.8-0.0_i386.deb? no other debs for dependencies?
[10:23] <jintonic> post-install update right now, it should be done soon
[10:31] <jintonic> ok, update is done, this is the point at which X should startup, but it doesn't, i get  the first few lines of the x error log when i ask for it to elaborate on the error...
[10:35] <jintonic> hrm... XF86Config-4 has some part of my motherboard listed in it....
[10:35] <zAo^> jintonic, like?
[10:36] <jintonic> Section "Device" | Identifier "SiS SG86C202" | Driver "sis" | BusID "PCI:1:0:0" | EndSection
[10:38] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> ....
[10:38] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> wow
[10:38] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> i wake up
[10:38] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> jintonic:
[10:38] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> what happen?
[10:39] <jintonic> emm... plenty, that driver worked but not with glx
[10:39] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> i see
[10:40] <Ensiferum> jintonic: check the X log in /var/log
[10:41] <jintonic> i'm setting up bitchx on that machine so i can dcc the log to this machine i'm at then post it on some pastecode site
[10:42] <Ensiferum> cant you just grep for "Fail"
[10:43] <Ensiferum> i think that x gives up on first fatal error
[10:44] <Ensiferum> so you could just tail the log as wlel
[10:44] <Ensiferum> well*
[10:44] <no0tic> hi!
[10:45] <jintonic> yeah, it does, but daniels wants the log to fix the bug in ubuntu that's causing this error in the first place
[10:45] <daniels> jintonic: oh, right
[10:45] <daniels> jintonic: ok, that bug's been fixed in hoary
[10:45] <daniels> jintonic: change Driver "sis" to Driver "radeon", and remove the BusID line
[10:45] <daniels> it should be fine after you do that
[10:47] <Ensiferum> daniels: ubuntu developer then, huh=
[10:47] <jintonic> yup! worked... except it seems as if the refresh rate is a little slow
[10:48] <no0tic> there's a way to know what installed libs or packets in general are not needed anymore?
[10:48] <jono> hi all
[10:48] <daniels> Ensiferum: er, yeah
[10:48] <bob2> no0tic: 'deborphan' can help
[10:48] <daniels> jintonic: remove the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines from XF86Config-4 (again, fixed in horay)
[10:48] <daniels> jono: hey dude
[10:48] <daniels> 'hoary'
[10:49] <no0tic> bob2: yes, thanks, I now remember it!
[10:49] <bob2> or debfoster
[10:49] <jono> anyone know if the new gnome wireless net applet (where you can see a list of local wireless networks) is packaged for ubuntu?
[10:49] <jono> heya daniels, good new year?
[10:49] <bob2> jono: netapplet, it's in universe for hoary
[10:49] <jono> bob2, nice :)
[10:49] <bob2> and it's quite nifty
[10:50] <hazza96> I can't change my background or theme
[10:50] <daniels> jono: heh, cool
[10:50] <daniels> jono: yeah, awesome new year, had a bit of a break which was nice, so just been getting back into work this week
[10:51] <jono> daniels, same here, I rarely touch a computer over christmas, I get away and then when I get back I am ready to rock in the new year :D
[10:51] <daniels> jono: aye :)
[10:51] <jono> daniels, incidentally, good job on x.org, I upgraded to hoary recently, and it all works great :)
[10:52] <daniels> jono: cheers mate
[10:52] <daniels> jono: it's been a lot smoother for us as well
[10:52] <Galen> hi all
[10:52] <jono> we are just testing ubuntu on an OQO here
[10:52] <hazza96> I just removed the all ubuntu-callenders and I still see the same backgroud
[10:52] <daniels> OQO?
[10:52] <jono> daniels, good stuff :)
[10:53] <jono> daniels, do you know anything about the progress of (a) graphical boot and (b) the hardware database (I assume by hardware database, this is a PRoject Utopia FDI file DB or something)?
[10:53] <emwson> hazza, right-click your desktop and choose "Change Desktop Background"
[10:53] <mchasard> hi i would like to try the last hoary ... but at the end of the boot ...no way to see any desktop
[10:54] <daniels> jono: usplash is coming along pretty nicely and aiui should make hoary; we haven't made massive inroads on the hardware database yet though, I don't think
[10:54] <jono> daniels, is the graphical boot in hoary now?
[10:55] <mchasard> i have only a blue or red screen
[10:56] <daniels> jono: not yet, no
[10:56] <mchasard> i have to wait for more less experimental version
[11:02] <jintonic> hrm... to upgrade to hoarty it says i have to upgrade 666 packages... maybe this isn't such a good idea :-/
[11:02] <MyKq3> hello and good morning every one
[11:03] <MyKq3> jintonic,  may b its a sing ....
[11:03] <jintonic> thats what i'm thinking
[11:03] <MyKq3> jintonic,  plz note that of u will upgrade to hoary u will not have d3 suport
[11:04] <jintonic> d3 support?
[11:05] <jintonic> being that i haven't a clue what that is maybe it doesn't matter to me?
[11:05] <Amaranth> lmao, 666
[11:05] <MyKq3> yeah ... all the openGL and sach don't work well or all the  model link r brocken
[11:05] <jintonic> eek!
[11:06] <jintonic> thanks for the warning, i think i'll wait for official release now :P
[11:06] <jintonic> the number WAS a sign!!!!!!
[11:06] <jintonic> :P
[11:06] <MyKq3> jintonic, yeah good thinking ...
[11:07] <MyKq3> dose any of ya know about a good package that can link my gtk/gtk++ to qt ?
[11:08] <jintonic> hmm... i already changed my sources list and didnt make a backup though :-/
[11:08] <MyKq3> all the gtk based programs don't look well on KDE
[11:08] <MyKq3> jintonic,  do u want me to send u mine?
[11:08] <Amaranth> MyKq3: Get the GTK-QT engine
[11:08] <jintonic> sure
[11:09] <MyKq3> Amaranth,  i have but how do i run them ?
[11:10] <kamandag> to obtain dvd playback, do i need to install all the debs here ... ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386 ?
[11:10] <Amaranth> MyKq3: No idea, never been crazy enough to like QT. :P
[11:10] <kamandag> i don't have a net connection at home so i can't apt-get these debs
[11:11] <MyKq3> Amaranth, =) u should c how KDE runs on UbuntuLinux .... like a dream...
[11:11] <Amaranth> MyKq3: You should see how GNOME runs on Ubuntu .... like a dream...
[11:12] <MyKq3> Amaranth,  i have for half a year
[11:12] <MyKq3> Amaranth,  its nice ... but thats is nice... and on my machine ( P3 800Hz ) its a bit slow with gDesklet .... don't kwow y ... but its a fact
[11:13] <Amaranth> KDE eyecandy isn't slow?
[11:13] <graham> hi. according to the manpage update-modules is now obsolete; where can I find good docs on it's replacement?
[11:13] <MyKq3> not to mantion all the sound problems i have with Gnome ....
[11:13] <trey3> MyKq3: running KDE on Ubuntu is kinda pointless... if you want KDE, just use Debian itself?
[11:14] <MyKq3> trey3,  yeah but the installion of debian sucks ...
[11:15] <xukun> hmm no java
[11:15] <MyKq3> trey3,  and very havy ... ( the OS runs very slowly on my machine ... allmost like WinDows)
[11:15] <MyKq3> xukun,  http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[11:15] <trey3> Things like SMB4k and Luma are the only reasons I would use KDE  :/
[11:16] <MyKq3> trey3,  yeah thats too =)
[11:16] <trey3> MyKq3: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/  get the netinst disc for your arch..
[11:16] <trey3> MyKq3: same installer as Ubuntu
[11:16] <Amaranth> MyKq3: Debian and Ubuntu packages are pretty much the exact same.
[11:17] <trey3> Amaranth: other than Xorg and GNOME... sure...
[11:17] <Amaranth> trey3: Well, I mean the way they're compiled.
[11:17] <trey3> Amaranth: yes... they both compile things with gcc... ?
[11:18] <MyKq3> trey3,  hum.. i will check it out ... but i allready have alive and brething sys ... i don't think iwill change it for now...
[11:18] <Amaranth> trey3: Same build system, optimizations, etc.
[11:18] <DaNewB> What is the dangers/risks involved in installing an unstable package that could "break"?
[11:18] <trey3> MyKq3: Debian itself is far less bloated for instance... I can have a working system inside of a gig...
[11:18] <trey3> Amaranth: no... not the same optimizations.
[11:19] <trey3> DaNewB: other than it breaking?
[11:19] <Amaranth> trey3: Compiling optimizations, not code.
[11:19] <trey3> Amaranth: yes... Ubuntu uses several optimizations that aren't used on Debian's build system by default...
[11:20] <Amaranth> such as?
[11:20] <kamandag> second try
[11:20] <kamandag> to obtain dvd playback, do i need to install all the debs here ... ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386 ?
[11:20] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> viagra optimizations .....
[11:20] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> :>
[11:20] <Amaranth> kamandag: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:20] <DaNewB> trey3, will it break the rest of the sys?
[11:21] <trey3> Amaranth: suck as LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1"
[11:21] <trey3> As stated here: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=226909
[11:21] <Amaranth> oh yeah
[11:21] <trey3> DaNewB: doubtful...
[11:22] <MyKq3> what do u say about my WinDows look ... http://img155.exs.cx/img155/5182/untitled9dn.jpg
[11:22] <trey3> s/suck/such/  *
[11:22] <DaNewB> trey3, suppose I try a package and it breaks, I just uninstall it and my system is back to it's previous state?
[11:22] <trey3> MyKq3: idgi... looks more like OSX?
[11:23] <Amaranth> MyKq3: That explains why you wanted a gDesklet.
[11:23] <trey3> DaNewB: sure
[11:23] <MM2> Hmm... I would like to install ubuntu from network (because Mandrake 9.2. broke my CD:s) to 17 machines. I have w2k dhcp server and a debian www-server. How I can deply ubuntu to 17 workstations easiest way?
[11:23] <Amaranth> MyKq3: You wanted a wannabe dock. :P
[11:23] <MyKq3> the only thing that i don't have on ubuntu is good gui for matlab and a nice gtk+ qt engin
[11:23] <Amaranth> show me your KDE :P
[11:24] <MyKq3> GTK-QT engine ***
[11:24] <trey3> MyKq3: sup @ the "My Computer" etc titles?
[11:24] <Garathor> Why does the gnome login-manager run on such a high resolution? Can i change it? When i start Fluxbox it has the same resolution. I can change it with ctrl+alt and -, but the size of the desktop remains the same (so i end up with a desktop that is larger than my resolution, i have to scroll around).
[11:24] <ZzeCoOl> MyKq3: .... mine is much better
[11:24] <trey3> I hated that naming when I used XP  :/
[11:24] <MyKq3> hum ... look a bit less smouth
[11:24] <trey3> smouth? ha
[11:25] <trey3> Garathor: /etc/X11/Xf86config-4 > where it says Modes... remove the largest one?
[11:25] <MyKq3> damn my bad english smooth***
[11:25] <trey3> MyKq3: :)
[11:25] <MyKq3> gemme a sec iw ill load KDE =)
[11:28] <Amaranth> trey3: Um, Apple calls it 'Trash', Microsoft calls it 'Recycle Bin'
[11:28] <trey3> Amaranth: oh yeah huh :/
[11:28] <MyKq3> here is anouther one befor i load kde http://img155.exs.cx/img155/4881/untitled9tg.jpg
[11:28] <neuro_> don't forget Apple called it "Wastebasket" here in the UK for a while
[11:30] <trey3> MyKq3: ouch @ the menu "Windows XP Crystal"... thats usually the first thing I turn off in KDE/Windows etc
[11:32] <Amaranth> MyKq3: You fail it, I can make Windows XP look a lot more like OS X. :P
[11:32] <jintonic> yay! tux racer works now... very sluggishly though
[11:33] <trey3> Amaranth: cept thats GNOME... so yeah...  :)
[11:33] <trey3> jintonic: you should check out 'wesnoth'... very addictive game  :P
[11:33] <Amaranth> trey3: Nah, he has mIRC.
[11:33] <trey3> Personal favorate Linux game right now... kinda like WoW etc in some ways...
[11:34] <trey3> Amaranth: its just an icon... XChat is the app...
[11:34] <Amaranth> trey3: and iTunes
[11:34] <jintonic> hmm... why is tux racer working at something like 8fps on my radeon 9200se?
[11:34] <nevyn> criticalmass
[11:34] <trey3> Again, just an icon
[11:34] <Amaranth> no way
[11:34] <Amaranth> that can't be GNOME
[11:35] <trey3> Amaranth: why?
[11:35] <Amaranth> why would he have spy sweeper?
[11:35] <Ensiferum> jintonic: no hw acceleration
[11:35] <ZzeCoOl> this isnt tha only problem....
[11:35] <Agrajag> trey3: itunes doesn't run in gnome
[11:35] <ZzeCoOl> the fake nero and bsplayer
[11:36] <Amaranth> trey3: he is fooling if he says it's GNOME
[11:36] <Agrajag> "My Computer" "My Documents"
[11:36] <Amaranth> trey3: Why would he have a fake icon for a windows spyware scanner?
[11:36] <trey3> Agrajag: I didn't say it did... but it does via Codeweavers wine  :/
[11:36] <no0tic> jintonic: have you set up the drivers properly?
[11:36] <Amaranth> Agrajag: Those can be faked.
[11:36] <Agrajag> Amaranth: why would they be?
[11:36] <ZzeCoOl> Amaranth: it called stupinity
[11:36] <Agrajag> That's Windows XP, not GNOME.
[11:36] <Agrajag> the MSN messenger icon
[11:37] <Agrajag> 2 windows explorer windows running
[11:37] <jintonic> i'm just going off warty install with all the updates and "radeon" driver
[11:37] <Amaranth> I don't think someone would go to all that effort to make GNOME look like a Windows XP ripoff of OS X.
[11:37] <Agrajag> the "set program access and defaults" and all the rest of the XP start menu
[11:37] <Agrajag> Amaranth: exactly
[11:37] <trey3> ZzeCoOl: Stupinity isn't a word?
[11:37] <no0tic> jintonic: you have to do something before hw accel works
[11:37] <Agrajag> it's just a crappy windows ripoff of OS X
[11:37] <Ensiferum> jintonic: the radeon driver is an open sauce generic implementation
[11:37] <ZzeCoOl> im mistaken
[11:37] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[11:37] <Ensiferum> jintonic: you need to install driver off Ati's site
[11:38] <jintonic> no i dont
[11:38] <jintonic> :P
[11:38] <Amaranth> MyKq3 has pirated movies on his desktop. :/
[11:38] <lifeless> Ensiferum: its packaged for ubuntu
[11:38] <jintonic> i tried that driver, its the source of much aggravation during the past day
[11:38] <Ensiferum> lifeless: yeah, i was just about to say that it might be prepackaged
[11:38] <no0tic> Ensiferum: it's not needed!
[11:38] <trey3> Amaranth: nick reference to the theme? one of my favs  :)
[11:38] <Amaranth> jintonic: What card do you have?
[11:38] <Amaranth> trey3: Nope, I hate that theme. :P
[11:38] <Ensiferum> no0tic: its not? then why doesnt he have hw acceleration then?
[11:39] <jintonic> when i install it i lose the ability to load glx for some reason
[11:39] <jintonic> radeon 9200se
[11:39] <trey3> Amaranth: oh... whats the hate about it? and what does the nick mean then?
[11:39] <trey3> s/the/to/
[11:39] <Ensiferum> jintonic: get nvidia based card :)
[11:39] <no0tic> Ensiferum: I've hw accel and have a radeon 9200se , but never downloaded ati drivers from their site
[11:39] <jintonic> heh
[11:39] <Amaranth> trey3: It's a flower, a vegetable, or two hindi words.
[11:39] <trey3> Amaranth: ohh.. I knew that  :P
[11:39] <jintonic> no0tic: so how do ya do it?
[11:40] <Amaranth> I think they have support for 9200s
[11:40] <no0tic> jintonic: there's a package for ubuntu
[11:40] <no0tic> jintonic: and a wiki telling you how to do this
[11:41] <trey3> So nice in theory... but yeah... its been in the works for years with nothing really to show for it  :/
[11:41] <no0tic> jintonic: wait a minute, I search for the wiki's url
[11:41] <daniels> if you have a 9250 or below, you do *not* need fglrx
[11:41] <Amaranth> Open source 3D acceleration is available on all Radeons up to and including the 9250 (rv280). The 7800/rv200 and below are supported by the radeon DRI driver; the 8500 through 9250 are supported by the r200 DRI driver. Both r200 and radeon DRI drivers use the radeon DRM driver.
[11:41] <trey3> Ensiferum: time my friend  :)
[11:41] <no0tic> Daniels: what are you saying??
[11:41] <trey3> Ensiferum: we only just got back control from Xfree  :P
[11:42] <Amaranth> no0tic: daniels is saying what i just said :P
[11:42] <daniels> no0tic: there's full acceleration available for radeons up to and including 9250
[11:42] <jintonic> daniels: so how do i get hardware the acceleration to work?
[11:42] <Ensiferum> trey3: who is we?
[11:42] <Ensiferum> :p
[11:42] <daniels> jintonic: it should just work
[11:42] <Amaranth> daniels: The installer should have found and configured it, right?
[11:42] <trey3> no0tic: apparently that fglrx isn't usable with ATI 9250 and below? maybe I'm missing something?
[11:42] <daniels> i don't know why it's not finding glx.  do you have /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a?  do you have the nvidia proprietary driver installed?
[11:42] <trey3> Ensiferum: the community...
[11:42] <daniels> trey3: you *can* use it, sure, but you really don't want to, trust me -- it's very, very difficult
[11:42] <MyKq3> Amaranth,  i don't like the OS icons :P
[11:42] <daniels> Amaranth: yes
[11:42] <jintonic> hrm... how can i get tux racer to tell me the framerate?
[11:43] <no0tic> trey3: I use fglrx with a 9200
[11:43] <daniels> trey3: rewriting the x server would involve most of us being locked in a room for a year, and unfortunately that's not going to happen any time soon, as nice as it would be
[11:43] <no0tic> daniels: it's all but difficult
[11:43] <MyKq3> BTW ii m back
[11:43] <trey3> daniels: yeah, I've read some pretty bad things about it  :(
[11:43] <calc> daniels: rewrite it in python :)
[11:43] <trey3> daniels: true enough... but over time, I have faith  :P
[11:44] <daniels> no0tic: fglrx is notoriously picky to configure -- there are lots of strange little options that you have to fiddle to get it to work, and it's rather random
[11:44] <Frossi> How can I save Eterms position?
[11:44] <daniels> trey3: i'd love for it to happen
[11:44] <DaNewB> One thing I liked about Ubuntu --> setup of my ATI 9600 (with 3D accel) on Ubuntu was easy (compared to other distros)
[11:44] <Moof> is there a program I can use to recode filenames?
[11:44] <atariboy> is the hoary ISO a bootable CD?
[11:45] <calc> Moof: recode how?
[11:45] <Moof> well
[11:45] <no0tic> daniels: how much fps you can get from open source drivers? last time I tried them, they were slower
[11:45] <Moof> I've been movin files with non-acii filenames between machines with deffrent locale encodings, as you do. I now have filenames in cp850, iso-8859-1 and utf-8. I'd rather like them all to be in utf-8
[11:46] <no0tic> jintonic: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=ati
[11:46] <calc> Moof: oh hmm, not sure how that works
[11:46] <ZzeCoOl> DaNewB: you probably didnt noticed that ubuntu ...use one of the first ati drivers set.....todays drivers version is 3.14.6
[11:46] <calc> linux doesn't store filenames by default in unicode?
[11:46] <Moof> this is one thin windows got right. we shoudl just store filenames in some unicode standard on disk as standard and then transcode for the current locale.
[11:46] <calc> er utf-8 i mean
[11:46] <Moof> calc: nope
[11:46] <Moof> calc: linux just stores strings
[11:46] <calc> so how can you tell which format its stored in?
[11:47] <Moof> it's up to your locale as to how they are displayed
[11:47] <daniels> no0tic: there shouldn't be much of a difference -- the only real issue is s3tc, which i believe is largely mitigated now
[11:47] <Moof> calc: I can't.
[11:47] <calc> ah fun :\
[11:47] <Moof> I just happen to know which ones are which
[11:47] <guest10660> hello
[11:47] <guest10660> to ALL
[11:47] <Amaranth> Moof: Windows NT 3.1 got that right. :P
[11:47] <Moof> calc: hoary will store it all in unicode by default.
[11:47] <Amaranth> Those DEC guys know their shit.
[11:47] <Moof> yeah
[11:47] <trey3> Moof: convmv looks promising
[11:47] <no0tic> daniels: it's easy to install them on ubuntu? I tries them on suse & mdk but not here..
[11:48] <Pessegao> need a tip please
[11:48] <calc> Moof: oh ok, since the default locale using utf-8 it encodes into utf-8 then?
[11:48] <DaNewB> ZzeCoOl, how come?
[11:48] <pybe-lappy> Pessegao: never eat yellow snow
[11:48] <Moof> calc: exactly
[11:48] <daniels> no0tic: to install which?
[11:48] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[11:48] <Amaranth> daniels: From what I've seen the devs are still discovering things about ATI hardware that allows them to offload more onto the GPU. Things the ATI devs knew from the start.
[11:48] <Amaranth> daniels: So wouldn't that make it slower?
[11:49] <jintonic> so, tuxracer is going slow (or perhaps too fast?)
[11:49] <pybe-lappy> Moof: one way to find out
[11:49] <Moof> pybe-lappy: can't be btohered
[11:49] <jono> hi all
[11:49] <Moof> but a file name starting with 0x0 can't be fun
[11:49] <jono> are there any hoary CD releases?
[11:49] <no0tic> daniels: dri; I'm on the dri wiki and I see that there are debian bins on sid & sarge, can I use them?
[11:49] <pybe-lappy> Moof: grab an old pc install ubuntu and hose it =)
[11:49] <trey3> jono: yes
[11:49] <kezz> jono yeah
[11:49] <jono> where are they?
[11:50] <daniels> no0tic: unfortunately, no
[11:50] <daniels> jono: they're on cdimage.d.o
[11:50] <kezz> http://cdimages.ubuntulinux.org i think
[11:50] <daniels> er, cdimage.ubuntu.com
[11:50] <trey3> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/  -> sounder or weekly-dvd
[11:50] <atariboy> can both the live and install versions of ubuntu CD's boot from CD and install to a HDD?
[11:50] <trey3> or daily too
[11:50] <daniels> Amaranth: there are some things we still don't know, like hyper-z (mainly), but we're not entirely sure that fglrx takes full advantage of the hardware anyway
[11:50] <kezz> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org i think
[11:50] <no0tic> daniels: thanks
[11:50] <jintonic> glxinfo says i'm using mesa
[11:50] <trey3> heh... pretty much any but "release" I guess   :)
[11:50] <xukun> thanks a lot I know have java. super
[11:51] <jintonic> that's what's making me slow isn't it? i heard that from a few places
[11:51] <no0tic> daniels: the snapshots for xfree4.3 on dri wiki?
[11:51] <jono> I am gonna test hoary on an OQO
[11:51] <no0tic> daniels: can I install them?
[11:51] <daniels> no0tic: yeah, you can't use them on hoary, unfortunately
[11:51] <daniels> jono: what's an OQO?
[11:51] <no0tic> daniels: on warty?
[11:51] <jono> daniels, http://www.oqo.com/
[11:51] <lukasz> hi
[11:51] <jono> we have three in the office at the moment
[11:51] <atariboy> jono: yum!
[11:51] <daniels> no0tic: should be fine
[11:51] <daniels> jono: cool
[11:52] <trey3> jono: wtf... that things tiny  :o
[11:52] <jono> apparently ubuntu had problems because the character mode installer would not display properly on the device
[11:52] <jono> so I am gonna try hoary
[11:52] <lukasz> hi every one
[11:52] <jono> appararently NLD works on it though
[11:52] <atariboy> NLD?
[11:52] <jintonic> wow, thats pretty cool
[11:52] <trey3> atariboy: Novell Linux Desktop
[11:52] <atariboy> ahh
[11:53] <daniels> jono: wow, that's bizzare
[11:53] <daniels> i've never heard of a video card failing to set text mode up right
[11:53] <jintonic> anyways, can we please focus on my sloooowwww opengl performance?
[11:53] <daniels> try booting with 'linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false'
[11:53] <Amaranth> daniels: Wait, you work on that?
[11:53] <jintonic> :)
[11:53] <jintonic> ~$2000 for 1GHz in your pocket
[11:54] <atariboy> trey3: contact them and say you need one for ubuntu dev :)
[11:54] <Amaranth> daniels: wtf is hyper-z? everyone was saying it would get implemented for the older cards first because the drivers were simpler. i had hoped that meant the mesa issue would get fixed too
[11:54] <daniels> Amaranth: i hack on random x stuff, and i've been following dri development of late; i don't get quite as much time to hack these days, though
[11:54] <trey3> jintonic: hence someone should get it for my birthday
[11:54] <jono> I will keep you posted on how I get on installing ubuntu
[11:54] <daniels> Amaranth: mmm, it's kind of tricky to explain briefly
[11:54] <jono> downloading hoary now :)
[11:54] <jintonic> yeah, me too
[11:54] <ZzeCoOl> jintonic: You have ATi you cant expect nothing better in linux
[11:54] <lukasz> who is talkim with who here
[11:54] <Amaranth> daniels: I know enough gfx card jargon for it to probably make sense thanks to open-graphics.
[11:54] <lukasz> who is talkim with who here
[11:55] <calc> the new ati drivers should be a lot better (i hope) just having to wait for the beta test to be over
[11:55] <atariboy> we are all talking to you lukasz
[11:55] <ZzeCoOl> hahahaahahha
[11:55] <Amaranth> oh crap, i haven't checked my account that gets open-graphics postings in a week
[11:55] <lukasz> to me
[11:55] <trey3> lukasz: first time on IRC?  :)
[11:55] <lukasz> how should i know
[11:55] <lukasz> yes
[11:56] <daniels> Amaranth: oh right ... well, basically it does z-buffer compression, and fast clearing as well
[11:56] <ZzeCoOl> wow
[11:56] <lukasz> help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:56] <trey3> lukasz: when people talk directly to you... they usually trail the comment with your name so it gets your attention
[11:56] <lukasz> whats going on here
[11:56] <trey3> lukasz: for instance... this should be in red  :)
[11:56] <Amaranth> i think i knew what z-buffer compression was at one time
[11:57] <calc> trey3: depends on your irc client :)
[11:57] <trey3> calc: I know.. I was gonna ask... but decided it was pretty safe to assume XChat  :P
[11:57] <calc> heh :)
[11:57] <lukasz> what should be in red
[11:57] <calc> first time you use irc it should be via telnet :)
[11:58] <Amaranth> calc: that's fun
[11:58] <atariboy> lukasz: this like should
[11:58] <jintonic> :-/ xchat doesnt make the line red for me, it makes the name of the sender yellow
[11:58] <atariboy> jintonic: same here
[11:58] <trey3> calc: I still haven't tried that... never even set up an IRC server yet  :(
[11:58] <calc> Amaranth: i had to use that once, i don't recall why exactly
[11:58] <lukasz> ca nwe not chat in a diffrent window
[11:58] <calc> maybe ircII was broken at the time, was probably around 10yr ago
[11:59] <lukasz> trey3
[11:59] <Moof> trey3: convmv did the trick
[11:59] <calc> using telnet makes even ircII seem nice
[11:59] <trey3> lukasz: you can... either double click names over there  -->   or type /msg username message
[11:59] <Am|Telnet> i couldn't agree with that
[11:59] <Am|Telnet> this is painful
[11:59] <trey3> Moof: cool  :)   apt-cache search is my friend  :)
[11:59] <lukasz> how do i add you to my friend list
[11:59] <calc> Am|Telnet: yes i meant that ircII was nice by comparison, though ircII itself is absolutely horrid
[12:00] <trey3> lukasz: Gaim supports IRC accounts on contact list...
[12:00] <trey3> lukasz: are you using Gaim?
[12:00] <lukasz> yes in msn
[12:00] <calc> Am|Telnet: try joinging multiple channels and talking in them ;)
[12:00] <calc> haggai: hi
[12:00] <haggai> calc: hey
[12:00] <lukasz> i use gaim for msn
[12:00] <trey3> lukasz: add an IRC account... then add as normal... note the server name though (in this case freenode.org)
[12:00] <atariboy> REPEAT: can both the live and install versions of ubuntu CD's boot from CD and install to a HDD?
[12:01] <jono> is there a way to pass the hoary installer which character mode to use at boot time?
[12:01] <trey3> lukasz: XChat doesn't support a "contact list"...
[12:01] <haggai> atariboy: I haven't tried but at a guess the live CD will not install to HDD
[12:01] <DaNewB> lukasz, in Gaim type ctrl-B
[12:01] <trey3> rumour has it even gaim is going away from the model  *shudder*
[12:01] <lukasz> wait
[12:02] <pschulz01> Greetings.. trying to play DVD (from drive) with totem. 'Play Disk' reports 'Totem cannot play this type of media' because I
[12:02] <trey3> DaNewB: he needs to set up the IRC account first...
[12:02] <atariboy> haggai: i know some live CD's can. knoppmyth for example. can the install ISO boot from CD?
[12:02] <lukasz> then what?
[12:02] <pschulz01> dont have the appropriate plugin.
[12:02] <calc> pschulz01: install libdvdcss and totem-xine
[12:02] <DaNewB> trey3, he's not talking about IRC, but MSN
[12:02] <jintonic> hrm... after running glxgears and it saying i'm getting ~300FPS i'm thinking tux racer is probably just running at a very high frame rate so it seems slow
[12:02] <no0tic> daniels:on dri wiki it's written that Xfree4.3 dri builds are in sarge, but I can't find them...
[12:02] <trey3> lukasz: type ctrl A  ... add an IRC account, then do what DaNewB said...
[12:02] <pschulz01> Any ideas?
[12:02] <jintonic> how can i see the frame rate? or limit it?
[12:03] <lukasz> i did
[12:03] <calc> atariboy: of course the install cd boots
[12:03] <jintonic> in tux racer*
[12:03] <lukasz> what now
[12:03] <trey3> DaNewB: yes he is... he wants IRC buddies on a contact list... he uses Gaim for MSN only atm though...
[12:03] <atariboy> calc: thanks
[12:03] <no0tic> jintonic: glxgear gives me a 1400FPS with 9200 on a laptop
[12:03] <lukasz> i have added an acount for irc
[12:04] <no0tic> jintonic: and tuxracer runs perfectly
[12:04] <jintonic> hmm
[12:04] <trey3> lukasz: Add > Protocol "IRC" > Screen Name: lukasz > Server: irc.freenode.net > password: blank enless you registered > Alias blank... check password and auto login as desired
[12:04] <ZzeCoOl> zzecool@Afterburner:~ $ glxgears
[12:04] <ZzeCoOl> 12076 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2415.200 FPS
[12:04] <ZzeCoOl> 14284 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2856.800 FPS
[12:04] <ZzeCoOl> 14253 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2850.600 FPS
[12:04] <ZzeCoOl> 14184 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2836.800 FPS
[12:04] <ZzeCoOl> 9700 pro
[12:04] <trey3> lukasz: ahh... ctrl B ... then add me for instance...
[12:05] <lukasz> i did
[12:05] <lukasz> it says you offline
[12:05] <ZzeCoOl>  kk
[12:05] <jintonic> ok, so why is it so slow? :P
[12:05] <no0tic> Zotnix: sborone (italian! :) )
[12:05] <calc> i get around 170fps on my athlon64 :)
[12:05] <trey3> lukasz: need to make sure Server specified "irc.freenode.net"
[12:05] <calc> since i have no hardware glx :\
[12:05] <pschulz01> Anyone have any advivc re.playing DVD's? Default Ububtu..
[12:05] <lukasz> wait
[12:05] <kezz> i get about 4000
[12:06] <ZzeCoOl> kezz: with ATi?
[12:06] <kezz> yeah
[12:06] <no0tic> ZzeCoOl: sborone (italian! :) )
[12:06] <kezz> 9200
[12:06] <jintonic> no way!
[12:06] <kezz> ibook g4
[12:06] <ZzeCoOl> how can this happen
[12:06] <jintonic> what driver? what glx?
[12:06] <kezz> os x
[12:06] <jintonic> oh
[12:06] <ZzeCoOl> ahhmm
[12:06] <no0tic> jintonic: follow the wiki on the url I gave you before
[12:06] <lukasz> whats my pass
[12:06] <kezz> i'll try in ubuntu later
[12:06] <jintonic> sorry, i didn't see it
[12:06] <lukasz> and my name
[12:07] <ZzeCoOl> no0tic: ?
[12:07] <ZzeCoOl> italian what?
[12:07] <trey3> lukasz: leave the field blank
[12:07] <no0tic> ZzeCoOl: sborone is and italian word
[12:07] <lukasz> should i wirte lukasz in name
[12:07] <trey3> lukasz: yes
[12:07] <no0tic> ZzeCoOl: I can't traduce that, I don't know how to express it :)
[12:08] <lukasz> and then should i add you?
[12:08] <rwabel> I've a problem with truetype fonts
[12:08] <no0tic> jintonic: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=ati
[12:08] <trey3> lukasz: Buddies > Add Buddy ... yes, for now  :)
[12:08] <rwabel> I coppied them in the ttfonts directory
[12:08] <trey3> pybe-lappy: heh... yeah... but that doesn't really work though  >:|
[12:08] <rwabel> but for example openoffice doesn't see the new fonts I've copied
[12:08] <pybe-lappy> trey3: one day
[12:08] <jintonic> i've followed those instructions, glx wouldn't work with it
[12:08] <lukasz> i made it
[12:09] <lukasz> hurry
[12:09] <lukasz> hurra
[12:09] <trey3> lukasz: I show up now?  :)
[12:09] <lukasz> yes
[12:09] <lukasz> jupi
[12:09] <no0tic> jintonic: it worked with me
[12:09] <pybe-lappy> trey3: i could email you a pic of them =)
[12:09] <trey3> good job  :)
[12:09] <jintonic> well, you have a 9200 normal, on a laptop, right? i have a 9200SE on a desktop
[12:09] <trey3> pybe-lappy: yeah... thats just gonna make me more mad  :(
[12:10] <jono> well hoary boots on the OQO
[12:10] <pybe-lappy> trey3: you in the us?
[12:10] <no0tic> jintonic: I think it's the same
[12:10] <trey3> pybe-lappy: yup  :)
[12:11] <pybe-lappy> trey3: i could snail mail them to you from the uk. they will be there in a couple of days =)
[12:11] <jintonic> hmm, i guess i'll try it again for tux's sake
[12:11] <trey3> pybe-lappy: haha... I'd go insane in that time  :(
[12:11] <trey3> pybe-lappy: heh... where in the UK?
[12:11] <pybe-lappy> trey3: better pop out to the store then =)
[12:11] <pybe-lappy> trey3: south east near brighton
[12:11] <no0tic> jintonic: follow all the step carefully
[12:12] <trey3> pybe-lappy: I was born in Coventry... moved to the US when I was 13  :)
[12:12] <pybe-lappy> trey3: cool
[12:12] <lukasz> tray3
[12:12] <jintonic> but daniels (ubuntu developer) and other places i saw said fglrx is for the upper end radeons
[12:12] <jintonic> not including 9200
[12:13] <lukasz> trey3
[12:13] <no0tic> hoary is stable enough for daily use?
[12:13] <lukasz> trey3
[12:13] <no0tic> on a laptop
[12:13] <kezz> no0tic, not for me
[12:13] <jono> how can I specify a hard drive in the hoary installer - it does not detect the hard disk
[12:13] <no0tic> kezz: could you explain what problem do you have?
[12:14] <jintonic> :-/ cat /proc/pci
[12:14] <jintonic> no such file or dir
[12:14] <kezz> no0tic, i had sound troubles and gnome was less stable than it is in warty
[12:15] <kezz> no0tic, why run an unstable version for daily use?
[12:15] <lukasz> am i yellow now
[12:15] <no0tic> jintonic: if u go to ati's site and select 9200 driver you get fglrx...
[12:15] <trey3> lukasz: nope... because you didn't type anyones name
[12:15] <no0tic> kezz: just to try living on the bleeding egde :)
[12:15] <lukasz> trey3 hi
[12:16] <jintonic> glxinfo | grep "direct rendering" returns: direct rendering: no
[12:16] <trey3> lukasz: much better  :P
[12:16] <lukasz> trey3 am i?
[12:16] <jintonic> no: i tried that one too, no glx support
[12:16] <trey3> lukasz: yes  :)
[12:16] <no0tic> jintonic: cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep EE  what does it gives to you?
[12:16] <DaNewB> no0tic, Ubuntu backports is kewl
[12:16] <no0tic> DaNewB: already have it
[12:17] <jintonic> if it gave me anything wouldn't x crash?
[12:17] <Konlied> I am always getting the error "vncpasswd: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open sahred object file: no such file or directory". Help!
[12:17] <jintonic> nothing there
[12:17] <no0tic> jintonic: no
[12:17] <no0tic> jintonic: if dri fails you will have no 3daccel but X will start
[12:18] <jintonic> it seems like it'd be a WW
[12:18] <IRCMonkey> what's up?
[12:18] <jintonic> i tried that, it found "agp not available"
[12:18] <IRCMonkey> aha... you just type it here
[12:18] <no0tic> jintonic: if you are talking to me call me like "no0tic: etc"
[12:19] <jintonic> and "open apm failed"
[12:19] <jintonic> no0tic: okay :)
[12:19] <DaNewB> no0tic, is Firefox 1.0.2 from backports any good?
[12:19] <IRCMonkey> now, all posts go to the same window?
[12:20] <no0tic> jintonic: in this way xchat highlights messages and I can follow our discussion :)
[12:20] <DaNewB> no0tic, or is it more buggy than the one from Warty?
[12:20] <jintonic> no0tic: ok
[12:20] <no0tic> DaNewB: It never gave me problem
[12:21] <IRCMonkey> hallooo -- anybody hears me, or do I talk to myself?
[12:21] <no0tic> jintonic: did you install restricted modules for you kernel?
[12:21] <jintonic> no0tic: i think DRI being disabled or the warning "agp not available" is probably the key
[12:21] <no0tic> IRCMonkey: I can "hear" you
[12:21] <jono> anyone know how I can specify which disk I want to install ubuntu on when I boot the installer?
[12:21] <lukasz> trey3 hi
[12:21] <IRCMonkey> good! it works
[12:21] <lukasz> treys how are you
[12:21] <lukasz> trey3 howare you
[12:21] <jintonic> i dunno, not manually, anyways
[12:22] <trey3> lukasz: hey  :)
[12:22] <no0tic> jintonic: what X modules are present in XF86Config-4 ?
[12:22] <no0tic> jintonic: soory for the bad english :)
[12:22] <IRCMonkey> a bit confusing -- every body talks at once
[12:23] <alias[k] > How could I put a LiveCD version of Ubuntu on a portable HDD and have it work the same?
[12:23] <no0tic> IRCMonkey: yes, if u want to talk with someone in particular you can call him with "Nickname: bla bla"
[12:23] <IRCMonkey> no0tic: I have a technical questing about "root" account
[12:23] <jintonic> no0tic: a dozen or so, including dri
[12:23] <IRCMonkey> no0tic: is this the place to ask?
[12:23] <no0tic> IRCMonkey: ask directly the question and someone will anser you if anyone can
[12:24] <no0tic> IRCMonkey: don't ask if you can ask
[12:24] <no0tic> jintonic: there's also glx?
[12:24] <jintonic> yup
[12:25] <IRCMonkey> aha! ok: the xsane refuses to run unless I am "root". If I run it as "root" it says -- no! don't run me as root -- it's dangerous. What should I do?
[12:25] <lukasz>  CHAT
[12:25] <no0tic> IRCMonkey: I don't know
[12:26] <alias[k] > Does anyone know about the LiveCD question?
[12:26] <jintonic> no0tic: http://cpp.sourceforge.net/pastebin.php?show=2614
[12:26] <kezz> IRCMonkey, whats the error when you run as non root?
[12:26] <IRCMonkey> kezz: just a second, I'll check...
[12:27] <IRCMonkey> kezz: "no devices available". I have a USB HP scanjet 2200c. When run as root it works all right.
[12:28] <trey3> alias[k] : what was the question? note the Ubuntu LiveCD is the same as "Gnoppix".... try google'ing for your issue or check their forums...
[12:28] <no0tic> jintonic: u installed restricted-modules?
[12:28] <kezz> IRCMonkey, sounds like a permissions problem
[12:29] <alias[k] > How could I put a LiveCD version of Ubuntu on a portable HDD and have it work the same?
[12:29] <jintonic> no0tic: not that i know of
[12:29] <no0tic> kezz: I answer you question about hoary: I would like to suspend and hibernate and in warty I can't
[12:29] <IRCMonkey> kezz: and how do I permit all users to use the scanner?
[12:29] <zAo^> alias[k] , I think you need to put Grub on the PC you start
[12:30] <jintonic> synaptic shows restricted, yeah
[12:30] <no0tic> jintonic: go to synaptic and install the proper package linux-restricted-modules according to your kernel
[12:31] <alias[k] > zAo^: I shouldn't have to do that, because my BIOS can boot off USB HDD.
[12:31] <kezz> IRCMonkey, try this sudo chmod -R 666 /proc/bus/usb/
[12:31] <trey3> alias[k] : should just be able to install normally on the hd... Ubuntu has very good hardware detection...
[12:32] <jintonic> no0tic: i already have a couple of the packages listed
[12:32] <zAo^> alias[k] , well, in your MBR of the USB HDD there must be some kind of bootloader
[12:32] <trey3> alias[k] : the point of a livecd is that you don't need to put it on a hd... it runs entirely in memory...
[12:32] <alias[k] > I tried, and it wouldn't install on it, I think the HDD in the usb hdd (its an mp3 player) is too slow for it. It was constantly complaining about missing files
[12:32] <alias[k] > So I figure, if it doesnt write to HDD it would probably be better
[12:32] <alias[k] > And LiveCD does that.
[12:32] <zAo^> alias[k] , but why dont you boot the install cd with the USB disk connected? Just install on it
[12:32] <zAo^> alias[k] , never mind then :)
[12:33] <alias[k] > =)
[12:33] <jintonic> no0tic: they are from 386 though, should i uninstall them and install the 686 ones?
[12:33] <no0tic> jintonic: select the right package for your kernel; you can find out what kernel you are running with uname- a
[12:33] <trey3> jintonic: shouldn't really matter... but 686 would be preferable if you have an intel p2 or above...
[12:33] <no0tic> jintonic: what kernel do you have?
[12:33] <jintonic> Linux blackie 2.6.8.1-4-386 #1 Wed Dec 22 14:10:57 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:34] <trey3> jintonic: will take advantage of the newer features of the chips...
[12:34] <jintonic> i've got an athlon xp 2500
[12:34] <trey3> jintonic: for future reference, uname -r is kernel version only  :)
[12:34] <trey3> jintonic: then you don't want 686 at all...
[12:34] <trey3> jintonic: you'd want k7 if anything
[12:35] <IRCMonkey> kezz: aha! this helped: chmod -R 666 /proc/bus/usb/; chmod go+x /proc/bus/usb/. Thanks a lot!
[12:35] <alias[k] > Would copying the LiveCD contents over to the HDD, and then making it bootable from the partitioner work? I don't really understand how these things work...
[12:35] <kezz> IRCMonkey, you'll need to put it in ur /etc/fstab to make the changes permanent after restart
[12:35] <jintonic> so should i make the 386 ones for uninstall and install the k7 ones?
[12:36] <no0tic> jintonic: what processor do you have?
[12:36] <kezz> IRCMonkey, none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults,devmode=0666 0 0
[12:36] <kezz> should do the trick
[12:36] <jintonic> no0tic: i've got an athlon xp 2500
[12:36] <IRCMonkey> kezz: aha, /etc/fstab runs automatically at the startup?
[12:36] <trey3> jintonic: if you really want to... no real need though...
[12:36] <kezz> IRCMonkey, it mounts ur filesystems on startup with the relevant permissions etc
[12:37] <trey3> jintonic: I don't know how you use your system... but you wouldn't really see much of a difference enless you're doing processor stenuous tasks (hosting web server... compiling a lot? etc)
[12:37] <no0tic> jintonic: so install now the k7 specific kernel!
[12:37] <jintonic> would it be okay to mark all of the 386 ones for complete removal though?
[12:37] <IRCMonkey> kezz: ok, I'll do that, thanks a lot!
[12:37] <trey3> jintonic: XP for instance still compiles everything for 386, and no one seems to really mind  :/
[12:38] <kezz> IRCMonkey, np
[12:38] <jintonic> i'm probably going to compile a lot and maybe host a web server..
[12:38] <no0tic> trey3: don't mind what winXP does
[12:38] <IRCMonkey> kezz: and what is "np"?
[12:38] <no0tic> IRCMonkey: no problem
[12:38] <kezz> IRCMonkey, no problem
[12:38] <trey3> jintonic: boot into a k7 kernel before you do...
[12:38] <IRCMonkey> kezz, no0tic: oh, I see.... :)
[12:39] <no0tic> jintonic: yes, install it and then reboot your machine with the new kernel
[12:39] <kezz> IRCMonkey, don't you mean oic? :P
[12:39] <jintonic> do i need all of the k7 packages or just specific ones?
[12:39] <trey3> jintonic: although its generally ok to remove the running kernel (still in ram) its really not recommended  :)
[12:40] <trey3> jintonic: 'apt-get install kernel-image-k7' let it handle it for you  :)
[12:41] <trey3> jintonic: uhh... make that 'linux-image-k7' or 'linux-k7'
[12:41] <trey3> bah @ me still being stuck in Debian mode after so long  :(
[12:42] <no0tic> trey3: apt updates automagically the kernel if a new version is out? I'm asking it because mdk's urpmi doesn't
[12:42] <trey3> jintonic: linux-k7 will install everything you could possibly need (headers et al) , linux-image-k7 is only the binary kernel...
[12:42] <trey3> no0tic: with these meta packages it does, yes
[12:43] <trey3> (they are installed by default, but for 386)
[12:43] <jintonic> okeydokey
[12:43] <jintonic> installed, gotta reboot now i figure...
[12:43] <trey3> no0tic: last I checked, urpmi and yum had no concept of meta-packages  :/
[12:44] <trey3> jintonic: yup, see you in a few  :)
[12:44] <no0tic> trey3: so, I have installed on the k7 kernel but not the metapackage, if I install the k7 metapackage it will automagically update the kernel if any new version comes out?
[12:45] <no0tic> s/on/
[12:45] <trey3> no0tic: yup... thats the theory  :)
[12:46] <no0tic> trey3: debian based rulez :)
[12:46] <trey3> no0tic: I discovered that more than 3 years ago  :P
[12:47] <no0tic> trey3: it's 4 years that I don't use debian :)
[12:47] <m00se> hi, any creative zen micro users here?
[12:47] <no0tic> trey3: I installed it the first time I tried linux :(
[12:48] <trey3> no0tic: heh... Bo?  ouch
[12:48] <no0tic> trey3: and I couldn't manage it by myself, so switched to simpler distros
[12:48] <no0tic> trey3: friend's advice :(
[12:49] <jintonic> k7 kernel up and running
[12:49] <trey3> jintonic: all good in the hood?  :)
[12:49] <trey3> :)
[12:50] <no0tic> jintonic: :)
[12:50] <Enmity> Hello - how to I get to play divx files in ubuntu please?
[12:51] <trey3> Enmity: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:51] <jintonic> still awfully slow in gl
[12:51] <no0tic> jintonic: we haven't finished yet :)
[12:51] <jintonic> hehe
[12:51] <krischan> Enmity: What happens when you try to play them?
[12:51] <no0tic> jintonic: now install the correct restricted-modules package
[12:52] <jintonic> already installed via the metapackage looks like
[12:52] <trey3> (downloads from macromedia and is in multiverse)
[12:53] <trey3> bah... and mplayer-k7 doesn't exist anymore >:|
[12:53] <jintonic> linux-restricted-modules-k7 is installed
[12:53] <no0tic> trey3: you can find it on a sid repository if u want
[12:54] <trey3> no0tic: its a transitional package... installs mplayer-k6
[12:54] <trey3> the guide shouldn't state the transitional package  :/
[12:54] <no0tic> jintonic: well now let's have fun! >:) install fglrx-driver
[12:54] <no0tic> trey3: I know, but it's better than nothing, isn't it?
[12:55] <trey3> no0tic: iir, he has ATI 9200... thus thats not needed... as daniels (an X devel) stated earlier...
[12:55] <no0tic> trey3: and what he has to use?
[12:56] <trey3> no0tic: according to daniels it should Just Work (tm)
[12:56] <no0tic> trey3: I installed them and now it all works
[12:56] <Enmity> krischan, it trys to open them im totem and says "failed to open, reason unknown" - typical windows type error message actually
[12:56] <jintonic> haha, yeah
[12:56] <no0tic> trey3: he has to use fglrx btw
[12:56] <jintonic> well, if it doesnt work i can always go back to "radeon", right?
[12:57] <jintonic> ok, so now i have to reboot then replace radeon with fglrx
[12:57] <jintonic> in xfconfig
[12:57] <no0tic> trey3: i see :)
[12:58] <no0tic> jintonic: change the line Driver "radeon" with Driver "fglrx"
[12:58] <jintonic> no0tic: done
[12:59] <no0tic> jintonic: I appended fglrx into /etc/modules
[12:59] <trey3> Much better
[12:59] <jintonic> i dunno what that means
[01:00] <jintonic> no0tic: what does that mean?
[01:00] <no0tic> trey3: could you translate in simple english <3's please :) I'm not mother tongue
[01:01] <trey3> no0tic: hearts/loves etc  ;)
[01:01] <jintonic> no0tic: tilt head starboard, 90 degrees
[01:01] <Despair> daniels: Seems to be a minor glitch in current X packages: /usr/X11R6/libXvMC.so.1 symlink being made outside /usr/X11R6/lib/ in both amd64 & i386.
[01:02] <no0tic> jintonic: edit the file and insert a line with fglrx
[01:03] <jintonic> i'm pretty sure the installer puts that in there at reboot
[01:03] <jintonic> no0tic: time to reboot now though, right?
[01:04] <trey3> jintonic: should just need to restart X...
[01:04] <trey3> jintonic: logout and back in, or ctrl+alt+backspace, or /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[01:04] <jintonic> but the driver shouldn't be loaded already?
[01:05] <jintonic> yeah, its not loaded yet
[01:05] <no0tic> jintonic: i think no, but u can try
[01:05] <trey3> jintonic: you can try modprobe fglrx...
[01:05] <trey3> no need to restart though...
[01:05] <no0tic> jintonic: sudo modprobe
[01:06] <jintonic> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-k7/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
[01:06] <krischan> Enmity: well, assuming that you use a freshly installed Ubuntu, you are trying to open the file with the totem-gstreamer. That's the multimedia player Ubuntu comes with, and it is knows to cause problems. Start Synaptic, your package managment tool, remove 'totem-gstreamer' and install 'totem-xine' instead.
[01:06] <trey3> jintonic: sudo modprobe fglrx
[01:06] <trey3> jintonic: sorry
[01:06] <jintonic> thats what i did
[01:06] <jintonic> i've gotten used to sudo :)
[01:06] <trey3> jintonic: hmm... not sure why operation wouldn't be permitted?
[01:07] <jintonic> reboot! :D
[01:07] <Enmity> krischan, thanks - is xine better than mplayer?
[01:07] <jintonic> it'll only take a minute, tops
[01:07] <jintonic> brb
[01:07] <trey3> jintonic: won't help..  but if it makes you feel better
[01:07] <trey3> Enmity: no
[01:07] <jintonic> it'll help, i've done this a dozen times
[01:08] <krischan> Enmity: I don't know, but from what I heard: no. MPlayer is dealed as *the* player for Linux. I plan install it myself shortly. But for now totem-xine works fine with me.
[01:09] <trey3> krischan: only bad thing (depending on how you look at it) which totem-xine is that it removes ubuntu-desktop... which makes upgrades a pita  :(
[01:10] <trey3> s/which/with/
[01:10] <krischan> trey3: you are right, but somehow I worked around that ... but how??
[01:11] <jintonic> fglrx loaded now
[01:11] <no0tic> jintonic: so?
[01:11] <trey3> I guess if you are one of the people that don't mind burning new ISO's all the time etc its not an issue though... personally I don't like reinstalling
[01:11] <jintonic> glxgears is running at about the same speed
[01:11] <trey3> krischan: not sure... still using warty? I really don't recommend going to hoary without ubuntu-desktop installed...
[01:12] <no0tic> you started x without fglrx... if you modprobed it later :)
[01:12] <no0tic> jintonic: you started x without fglrx... if you modprobed it later :)
[01:12] <trey3> krischan: warty is only getting small upgrades... so it won't really be an issue...
[01:12] <kezz> jintonic, glxgears won't challenge a modern gfx card i don't think, and its not just the gfx card that affects the frame rate
[01:12] <trey3> krischan: most don't even have warty-updates enabled, so they get even less current software...
[01:13] <Enmity> ok - lets just say I have done a fresh warty worthog install, and done a dist-upgrade using the package gui - what should I do next to make a usable system?
[01:13] <no0tic> jintonic: errors in XFree86 log file?
[01:13] <Enmity> remembering I am in a net cafe paying 10/hr
[01:13] <trey3> Enmity: define "usable"
[01:13] <jintonic> (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENODEV"
[01:13] <jintonic> (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP
[01:14] <no0tic> jintonic: lsmod | grep agp?
[01:14] <trey3> Enmity: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats  <-- install things that you see there... thats a good start  :)
[01:14] <no0tic> jintonic: brb 1 min
[01:14] <jintonic> sis_agp                 8132  0
[01:14] <jintonic> agpgart                33704  1 sis_agp
[01:15] <trey3> Enmity: that is if you define usable as "I want to play movies and mp3's and I want java to work, and flash"
[01:15] <trey3> Enmity: after that, it really depends...
[01:16] <jintonic> i think the driver is not what matters, this looks like its a problem with support of my motherboard
[01:16] <jintonic> its a SiS chipset, so not a very good basis
[01:17] <Enmity> ok - usable is mainly, 1. can compose mail offline and 2. get wireless working, connect and send/recieve mail
[01:17] <krischan> trey3: I still use Warty, yes. I wait until Hoary is officially released. I've done I dist-upgrade once, it was quite unstable. ;-)
[01:17] <Enmity> watching movies and listening to music is a much desirable bonus
[01:17] <trey3> Enmity: Evolution should be all you need for e-mail...
[01:17] <Enmity> it does not detect my wireless card
[01:17] <trey3> Enmity: wireless is a little more complicated...
[01:18] <trey3> Enmity: do you know what kinda wireless card you have?
[01:18] <trey3> (exact model preferably)
[01:18] <Enmity> netgear WG511 - uses prism 3 chip
[01:18] <trey3> Enmity: lsmod | grep prism
[01:18] <Enmity> something 54 module
[01:19] <jintonic> aha! the warnings in x's log are much more helpful than the error
[01:19] <no0tic> jintonic: fglrx-driver is needed
[01:19] <trey3> Enmity: you should see prism3, else modprobe prism3
[01:19] <Enmity> prism54 comes up twice
[01:19] <no0tic> jintonic: I tries uninstalling it and server X won't load without
[01:19] <no0tic> jintonic: s/tries/tried
[01:20] <no0tic> jintonic: I have to go to lunch, bbl
[01:20] <trey3> Enmity: hmm... ok... Computer > System Settings > Networking
[01:20] <lukasz> what?
[01:21] <trey3> I think its wlan0?
[01:22] <lukasz> hi trey3
[01:22] <trey3> Enmity: but yeah... ifup wlan0 ... tell me what it says.
[01:22] <trey3> lukasz: hey
[01:22] <lukasz> trey3 how are you
[01:22] <dimon> Hey, everybody: How does one switch between keyboard layouts?
[01:22] <trey3> lukasz: same as I was last time you asked
[01:23] <trey3> dimon: Computer > Preferences > Keyboard theoretically.. never shows more than the default for me though  :/
[01:23] <trey3> dimon: other then that, not sure.
[01:23] <lukasz> trey3 sry
[01:23] <lukasz> trey3 am i yellow
[01:24] <Enmity> trey3, it said Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0.
[01:24] <dimon> trey3: yes, I have installed another layout. But I cannot switch between them. It doesn't say which button does the switching... Any idea?
[01:25] <trey3> dimon: not sure there is a button... go to where I said, and see if the new layout is there...
[01:25] <lukasz> Querub hi
[01:26] <trey3> Enmity: ahh... my knowledge of wireless cards has been used up already... I really need to play with one on Linux  :(
[01:27] <dimon> trey3: the "keyboard preferences" shows two layouts: "danish" and "russian". But how do I switch from danish to russian and back? There must be some sort of button, ah?
[01:28] <lukasz> Querub hi
[01:29] <Enmity> I tried using the Computer > system configuration > networking gui but it crashes each time after clicking finished
[01:29] <xukun> after installing extra fonts mailed this to me, but I dont realy understand. ""Also add these two directories to the "catalogue" path lists in /etc/X11/fs/config and/or /etc/X11/fs-xtt/config, and delete any mention of /usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID in any of these files.
[01:29] <xukun> defconf mailed!
[01:29] <xukun> debconf -
[01:30] <trey3> Enmity: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-147332.html   see if thats any help...
[01:31] <xukun> I cant find that config file so I can edit, if that is what it means
[01:31] <trey3> Enmity: apparently prism54 is b0rked in 2.6.8
[01:32] <Enmity> b0rked??  meaning fscked?
[01:33] <trey3> mhmm
[01:33] <lukasz> what?
[01:33] <lukasz> mhmm
[01:33] <lukasz> mhmm
[01:33] <lukasz> mhmm
[01:33] <xukun> anybody please
[01:33] <lukasz> what
[01:33] <lukasz> ?
[01:34] <trey3> xukun: debconf mailed you something? 'mailx' and view...
[01:36] <trey3> xukun: bah.. if they don't exist... means you don't have a font server installed... ignore...
[01:36] <xukun> trey3, I see thanks
[01:37] <xukun> ist good thing to install fonts server?
[01:37] <xukun> trey3, ?
[01:37] <trey3> xukun: no
[01:37] <no0tic> jintonic: re
[01:37] <jintonic> no0tic, heya
[01:38] <trey3> xukun: entirely unneeded enless you're in a network situation...
[01:38] <no0tic> jintonic: did you figure out why it isn't working?
[01:38] <jintonic> no0tic: i'm working on another theory since i've beaten the fglrx idea to death... i'm thinking it's probably not the driver that's the problem
[01:39] <xukun> trey3, ok then I dont need it
[01:39] <jintonic> (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory)
[01:39] <trey3> jintonic: acpi replaced apm afaik
[01:39] <xukun> do I need to reboot after installing extra fonts
[01:39] <xukun> ?
[01:40] <trey3> xukun: no... might not show up until you restart X for some apps though...
[01:40] <no0tic> jintonic: I have this warning too
[01:40] <trey3> xukun: gamin/fam should notice the changes though, so that *should* be unnecissary too..
[01:40] <siretart> xukun: try `sudo fc-cache`
[01:40] <jintonic> yeah, i figure "advanced power management" (if thats what it is) is probly not much of a problem
[01:40] <trey3> xukun: where did you put the fonts? /usr/share/fonts?
[01:40] <lukasz> l
[01:40] <lukasz> l
[01:40] <lukasz> l
[01:40] <lukasz> l
[01:40] <lukasz> l
[01:40] <lukasz> l
[01:41] <jintonic> but... what probably is a problem: (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
[01:41] <jintonic> (WW) (1280x960,SDM-S51) mode clock 108MHz exceeds DDC maximum 100MHz
[01:41] <trey3> jintonic: lspci and see what the BusID for your AGP is...
[01:42] <xukun> sec
[01:42] <jintonic> wow, i actually did that before you said it :)
[01:42] <jintonic> i must actually be learning! :P
[01:42] <trey3> jintonic: :)
[01:42] <jintonic> 0000:01:00.1
[01:42] <jintonic> edit busid in x config?
[01:42] <no0tic> jintonic: great
[01:42] <Enmity> trey3, I did a ifconfig and now I have a eth1 with the wireless cards mac
[01:42] <trey3> yes...
[01:42] <Enmity> I guess it is installed - just how do I use it I guess
[01:43] <no0tic> jintonic: I think you guessed how to edit it :)
[01:43] <trey3> Enmity: hmm... go into Computer > System Settings > Networking and try to configure it  :)
[01:43] <trey3> Enmity: wierd that it would be ethx though  :/
[01:43] <jintonic> BusID		"PCI:0:1:0.1"
[01:44] <jintonic> brb
[01:44] <trey3> Enmity: not sure if its in Warty, but there is a useful Wireless applet that you might be interested in to check/help configure the wireless card also  :)
[01:44] <benjami> hi
[01:44] <jintonic> worked
[01:45] <trey3> (allows you to switch profiles etc for different WAP's)
[01:45] <no0tic> jintonic: glxgears?
[01:45] <trey3> jintonic: yay  :)
[01:45] <jintonic> no change
[01:45] <benjami> after apt-get upgrade my gnome wont start anymore, only gdm
[01:45] <no0tic> jintonic: WW on log?
[01:45] <trey3> jintonic: hah... got rid of that error though at least?
[01:45] <xukun> trey3, hmm I just did: :sudo apt-get install xfonts-intl-european sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts" where will that put things?
[01:45] <kent> how come i have both /dev  and /.dev  with Hoary?
[01:46] <jintonic> i bet its because DRI won't startup that things are so slow and if i get rid of all the WW and EE it'll work
[01:46] <trey3> xukun: dpkg -L those_packages tells ya rather than me guessing  :)
[01:46] <trey3> kent: /dev is dynamic... /.dev is static
[01:47] <trey3> kent: blame udev  :P
[01:47] <benjami> how to configure the default window-manager?
[01:47] <kent> trey3, so both are in use?
[01:47] <no0tic> jintonic: at least you have to get rid from EE :)
[01:47] <jintonic> yeah, but you read WW to get rid of EE
[01:47] <jintonic> and it gets rid of both
[01:48] <no0tic> jintonic: :)
[01:48] <trey3> kent: yes... things in /dev are in use... /.dev is all possible devices...
[01:48] <jintonic> :(
[01:48] <jintonic> (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
[01:48] <jintonic> (WW) (1280x960,SDM-S51) mode clock 108MHz exceeds DDC maximum 100MHz
[01:48] <trey3> kent: just someones attempt at cleaning up the dir  :)
[01:48] <trey3> jintonic: grrr
[01:49] <kent> trey3, thanks. It looked like i had some un-invited guest when i saw it the first time..   i've never seen it before i think..  :)
[01:49] <xukun> trey3, hmm nice. ah I get few listing with dpkg -L but one them are /usr/share/fonts
[01:49] <trey3> kent: its new for 2.6.8 as I recall  :)  replaced devfs which you might have been familier with?
[01:49] <trey3> xukun: k... then they should be seen by your apps  :)
[01:50] <xukun> cool
[01:54] <Enmity> trey3, hey thanks for your help - I *think* its working but have to go before I miss last train lol
[01:54] <ZzeCoOl> does anyone have point2 play installed?
[01:54] <Enmity> night!
[01:54] <trey3> Enmity: heh... k... later  :)
[01:55] <jintonic> 0000:01:00.0 from lspci = PCI:0:1:0, right?
[01:55] <daniels> jintonic: yes
[01:56] <jintonic> heya daniels :)
[01:56] <daniels> yo
[01:56] <jintonic> i'm getting these errors: (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found        (WW) (1280x960,SDM-S51) mode clock 108MHz exceeds DDC maximum 100MHz
[01:57] <ZzeCoOl> (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found  this isnt bad
[01:57] <ZzeCoOl> it is for your secondary display
[01:57] <ZzeCoOl> i dont know for the second one
[01:58] <jintonic> but in xfconfig i have BusID		"PCI:0:1:0"
[01:58] <daniels> you have a mode set up for 108MHz
[01:58] <daniels> but it can only handle 100MHz
[01:58] <daniels> jintonic: it's just a warning, don't worry
[01:59] <jintonic> (EE) RADEON(0): [dri]  DRIScreenInit failed.  Disabling DRI.
[01:59] <jintonic> i was thinking that maybe its contibuting to that error
[01:59] <trey3> jintonic: yeah... get rid of DRI section in config... and dri driver... not needed/used by ati or radeon... again not detrimental though...
[02:00] <jintonic> hrm, i heard that DRI being enabled improved performance a lot
[02:00] <trey3> jintonic: ati and nvidia handle opengl on board... not needed...
[02:01] <mjg59> trey3: ?
[02:01] <mjg59> trey3: The Radeon driver uses DRI. fgrlx doesn't.
[02:01] <mjg59> But fgrlx kills children.
[02:01] <daniels> jintonic: nope, the DRI error is something different
[02:01] <daniels> mjg59: hm, I thought fglrx used DRI
[02:01] <mjg59> jintonic: What sort of Radeon is it?
[02:02] <daniels> daniels@catsby:~/canonical/kernel/l-r-m/newati/source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-2.6.10.1% ls -l debian/build/ati-xorg/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri
[02:02] <mjg59> daniels: Oh, does it? I'd assumed that having its own AGP implementation probably meant they'd redone everything else as well, but maybe not then
[02:02] <daniels> total 9104
[02:02] <daniels> -rwxr-xr-x  1 daniels daniels 9302633 2005-01-07 23:58 fglrx_dri.so
[02:02] <daniels> mjg59: 9200
[02:02] <daniels> mjg59: afaict it's just a standadr dri implementation
[02:03] <daniels> mjg59: but you can make it use standard agp stuff (mercifully)
[02:03] <jintonic> my xf86-config-4 file: http://www.pastebin.com/224749
[02:05] <dimon> please: how to configure sound in Ubuntu?
[02:05] <jintonic> my x error log: http://www.pastebin.com/224750
[02:07] <jintonic> anybody looking at them?
[02:07] <cartman> why is postfix chosen over exim in Ubuntu?
[02:08] <Amaranth> when debian chose postfix exim wasn't suitable
[02:08] <Amaranth> if it ain't broke why fix it?
[02:08] <jdub> because it's brilliant
[02:08] <jdub> Amaranth: debian chose exim
[02:08] <Amaranth> oh, i knew it was one of those
[02:08] <trey3> Amaranth: other way around  :P
[02:08] <Amaranth> i guess saw that come up a couple days ago ;P
[02:09] <Amaranth> s/guess/just/
[02:09] <Amaranth> yeah
[02:09] <cartman> ?
[02:09] <cartman> debian uses exim
[02:09] <cartman> wondered if there is a special reason
[02:10] <trey3> cartman: yes... because postfix wasn't ready... but postfix is _far_ more complete today than exim...
[02:10] <cartman> trey3: exim wasn't ready you mean?
[02:10] <Amaranth> appearently ubuntu says if it ain't broke i'll fix it anyway ;)
[02:10] <trey3> cartman: no
[02:10] <cartman> trey3: I am asking why Ubuntu&B chose postfix
[02:10] <cartman> err
[02:10] <stvn> Amaranth: indeed >:(
[02:11] <cartman> anyway guess its the features
[02:11] <Amaranth> cartman: No one knows. I confused the issue because I got the two switched.
[02:11] <cartman> Amaranth: okies
[02:11] <trey3> cartman: http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/12/23/2023223&from=rss
[02:11] <trey3> read the related question there...
[02:11] <jdub> cartman: because postfix is brilliant (as said above) :-)
[02:11] <cartman> trey3: let me see
[02:11] <trey3> (near the bottem)
[02:11] <jdub> cartman: also helps that we have a postfix maintainer handy
[02:11] <cartman> well postfix works fine here
[02:12] <cartman> I am just wondering
[02:12] <Guardiann> goodmorning jdub
[02:12] <Amaranth> i just know that debian setup made me setup mail even though i never used it ('You have new mail' on login was annoying too) and ubuntu doesn't
[02:12] <Amaranth> beyond that it isn't interesting to me ;P
[02:12] <trey3> Guardiann: its midday tomorrow where he is  :P
[02:12] <Guardiann> well its early am where i am
[02:13] <jdub> trey3: it's midnight.
[02:13] <Guardiann> :)
[02:13] <jintonic> /usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID <-- what's that installed by?
[02:13] <trey3> jdub: oh... my math sucks... I just know you take 6 hours and add a day :)
[02:13] <jintonic> it seemed like xfonts-cid would install it, but no
[02:13] <Amaranth> take 7 hours and add a day for my timezone then :P
[02:14] <trey3> jintonic: archaic fonts  :/
[02:14] <daniels> jintonic: dpkg -S /usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID
[02:15] <jintonic> dpkg: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID not found.
[02:16] <Vaportrail> any hints on partitioning a 80 gb hdd for a system, that shall only use one distribution, in fact only ubuntu, no windows, no other things?
[02:16] <jintonic> (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) <-- how can i fix/supress that?
[02:16] <trey3> Vaportrail: default is fine... (one partition encompassing whole drive)
[02:17] <daniels> jintonic: don't worry about it, it's harmless (you can't suppress it)
[02:17] <trey3> Vaportrail: may want to seperate /boot and maybe /usr and /home though  (/boot can be <100mb, /usr and /home should be large)
[02:17] <jintonic> Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o":  No symbols found
[02:17] <jintonic> Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_norm.o":  No symbols found
[02:17] <Vaportrail> trey3 but what is, 4 example, when I decide to put another os on the pc and formating it, all the sensible things have to be backuped?
[02:18] <atariboy`> how do i change X11 in ubuntu from displaying its default res? i am using a TV and it is all garbled
[02:18] <trey3> jintonic: anything 'skipped' you can ignore...
[02:18] <Vaportrail> trey3 how big should / be?
[02:18] <atariboy`> (i have got to the command line)
[02:18] <daniels> jintonic: again, harmless
[02:19] <trey3> Vaportrail: depends what kind of partitioning you are using... with a /usr partition, it needn't be larger than a gig... enless its a server... in which case I'd recommend seperating out /var anyways...
[02:19] <Vaportrail> trey3 /boot 100mb, / 15gb, /usr ?, /home rest
[02:19] <trey3> Vaportrail: how big is the hd... and what will the primary use be?
[02:19] <jintonic> hmm
[02:19] <Vaportrail> 80 gb
[02:20] <Vaportrail> primary as a user-pc :P multimedia/office
[02:20] <trey3> k... /boot = 100mb... / = 1gb... /usr = ~10gb... /home = rest
[02:20] <jintonic> so if dri doesn't matter and neither do the other warnings in x error log... what's slowing down opengl?
[02:21] <Vaportrail> trey3 thanks
[02:21] <trey3> Vaportrail: as I said though, one partition with entire drive would be fine in most cases...
[02:21] <trey3> Vaportrail: thats only if you insist upon repartitioning  :)
[02:21] <Vaportrail> trey3 but I prefere to have an extra /home drive 4 example
[02:21] <trey3> Vaportrail: for desktop systems, /home should be large  :)
[02:22] <Vaportrail> trey3: I don't insist on repartitioning, its that I want to kill my windows partitions :P
[02:23] <trey3> Vaportrail: its easier to just use the default though... you won't really see much difference in performance on a desktop system either way... just overcomplicates things for most users...
[02:23] <atariboy`> anyone use TV-out with ubuntu?
[02:24] <Vaportrail> trey3: but better if I later decide to format or to put another system on it
[02:24] <trey3> Vaportrail: seperating out /boot can be useful though  :)   (mainly for system restore)
[02:24] <Zindar> atariboy: yes
[02:24] <Vaportrail> trey3: so my /home things would survive
[02:24] <Vaportrail> trey: thats the only reason
[02:25] <atariboy`> Zindar: did you have to do anything special? i only get garbage
[02:25] <Vaportrail> erm s/trey/trey3
[02:26] <trey3> Vaportrail: probably good thinking... is also a security measure  :)
[02:27] <Zindar> atariboy: depends on what kind of hardware and junk you have...
[02:27] <trey3> Vaportrail: users can only place things in home... thus you are limiting where a virus etc can go  :)
[02:27] <Zindar> atariboy: for me I just copied a known working XF86Config-4 and it worked
[02:27] <Vaportrail> another question: is there a linux app that matches scandisk->windows?
[02:28] <trey3> Vaportrail: unneeded... such things are handled while the system is idle...
[02:28] <jdub> Vaportrail: fsck, but you generally don't need to run it; if you do, the system will do it at bootup
[02:28] <trey3> Vaportrail: fsck is useful for major issues though  :)
[02:28] <Amaranth> fsck isn't needed
[02:28] <atariboy`> Zindar: could i get a copy of that? :)
[02:28] <Vaportrail> trey3: nono I got a "broken" hdd and want to "repair" it, mark broken sectors as broken
[02:29] <Amaranth> that's the beauty of a journaled filesystem
[02:29] <rwabel> has anyone also a sound problem on hoary?
[02:29] <jdub> Amaranth: that's not true.
[02:29] <jdub> Vaportrail: fsck -c
[02:29] <rwabel> I can't hear the sound, but the sound get played for ex. in xmms
[02:29] <Vaportrail> jdub thx
[02:29] <rwabel> just from one moment to the other
[02:29] <Amaranth> rwabel: perhaps it's muted?
[02:29] <Zindar> atariboysorry, will not help you unless you have the same hardware :)
[02:30] <rwabel> amaranth: no, already check and also checked alsamixer
[02:30] <trey3> jdub: I don't see -c, you mean -C?  :o
[02:30] <rwabel> amaranth: already rebootet, tried older kernel
[02:30] <Amaranth> did the plug come out of the back of the computer? :P
[02:30] <Amaranth> hrm
[02:30] <Amaranth> no idea
[02:30] <Guardiann> rwabelare your speakers plugged in :)
[02:30] <jdub> trey3: no
[02:30] <rwabel> guardiann: yes didn't check a thiing, tried with other speaker, earphones...no luck
[02:31] <xukun> My boss want me to fellow cisco ccna, so any idea's would be welcome!
[02:31] <trey3> jdub: :(  care to elaborate what it does then? or point me at the section that states -c?
[02:31] <Guardiann> i was just kidding it was kinda like the printer comment ;)
[02:31] <rwabel> also tried ESD, same behaviour
[02:31] <jdub> trey3: man fsck.ext3
[02:32] <Zindar> trey3: fsck -h :)
[02:32] <trey3> jdub: thanks  :)
[02:32] <ZzeCoOl> is there any ftp server installed by default in ubuntu?
[02:32] <Guardiann> goodmorning ZzeCoOl
[02:32] <ZzeCoOl> wo
[02:32] <ZzeCoOl> Guardiann: hello my friend
[02:32] <trey3> jdub: ahh... handy  :)
[02:33] <Guardiann> gftp is in snaptic
[02:33] <Zindar> ZzeCoOl: nope.. but you can install one easily
[02:33] <ZzeCoOl> Zindar:
[02:33] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[02:33] <Arkaine> i'd get vsftpd
[02:33] <ZzeCoOl> plz tel me one
[02:33] <Arkaine> apt-get install vsftpd
[02:33] <rwabel> is it possible that libflac6 could make problems
[02:33] <rwabel> I just see some dependency problems
[02:33] <ZzeCoOl> Arkaine is this a simple one?
[02:34] <ZzeCoOl> Guardiann: i want a server not a client
[02:34] <ZzeCoOl> thanx anyway
[02:34] <trey3> ZzeCoOl: afaik, it stands for Very Simple File Transfer Protocol ... so yes  ;)
[02:34] <Guardiann> ah ok
[02:34] <Arkaine> supposedly it's a more secure ftp server
[02:34] <atariboy`> Zindar: does the ubuntu use the default xorg settings?
[02:34] <trey3> uhh, + Daemon at the end  *nods*
[02:34] <Guardiann> then vsftpd
[02:35] <trey3> atariboy: default xorg settings? I wasn't aware there were any?
[02:35] <Zindar> atariboy: ubuntu warty use xfree... the upcomming release uses xorg
[02:35] <atariboy`> i am using hoary
[02:36] <randabis> morning
[02:36] <Zindar> atariboy: why are u using hoary
[02:36] <Zindar> ?
[02:36] <Guardiann> hello randabis
[02:36] <atariboy`> for fun :)
[02:36] <battletux> Hi guys anyone know a link to a site with the basics for vi? the man page just gives me a head ache
[02:36] <trey3> Zindar: shinnier software  :P
[02:36] <atariboy`> should i try warty instead?
[02:37] <Zindar> atariboy: unless hoary has something you really want or need I'd stay with warty
[02:37] <Zindar> atariboy: it's supported and you'll get more help and will not have a constantly changing system
[02:37] <randabis> howdy Guardiann
[02:37] <Zindar> I think lot's of people change to hoary to early...
[02:37] <atariboy`> Zindar: i see. i mainly want to use it as a media center system
[02:37] <randabis> yeah
[02:38] <Zindar> atariboy: mythtv?
[02:38] <randabis> I'm not brave enough to go to hoary
[02:38] <atariboy`> yes
[02:38] <mirak> hi
[02:38] <Zindar> atariboy: I run my mythtv-box under warty
[02:38] <mirak> I have installed acroread but it doesnt work
[02:38] <mirak> ERROR: Cannot find installation directory.
[02:38] <atariboy`> i tried knoppmyth, but didn't have any luck
[02:38] <mirak> it says
[02:39] <Zindar> atariboy: which hardware do you have for tv-out?
[02:39] <atariboy`> plus i want a more functional desktop as well. for websurfing on the TV for example
[02:39] <com-error> hi
[02:39] <atariboy`> Zindar: Radeon 7000
[02:39] <Zindar> atariboy: ok.. never tried that under linux...
[02:39] <mirak> anyone have acroread working ?
[02:39] <Zindar> mirak: why do you want acroread?
[02:39] <trey3> atariboy: such things aren't really a reason to go to hoary... the changes are more technical then anything...
[02:39] <atariboy`> Zindar: what tv out you using?
[02:40] <Zindar> mirak: xpdf comes with ubuntu and works great
[02:40] <mirak> Zindar: to test compatiblity
[02:40] <com-error> com-mouse doesnt work with ubuntu-linux. need help
[02:40] <mirak> Zindar: xpdf sucks
[02:40] <mirak> it's the worst pdf reader
[02:40] <mirak> but that's only my opinion
[02:40] <mirak> :)
[02:40] <no0tic> mirak: it's the best one
[02:40] <Zindar> atariboy: can't remember.... something built into the motherboard of that machine
[02:40] <no0tic> mirak: :)
[02:40] <Zindar> xpdf rocks.. lot's faster than acroread
[02:40] <atariboy`> Zindar: :)
[02:41] <randabis> my acroread works
[02:42] <com-error> is there there any kind of driver
[02:42] <trey3> Zindar: Evince is looking good... and gpdf of course... don't like xlibs based apps though
[02:44] <mirak> Zindar no0tic the rendering is best with acroread
[02:44] <com-error> com-port-mouse doesnt work with ubuntu-linux. need help
[02:44] <xukun> anybody of you did ccna?
[02:45] <Vaportrail> What is better, oss or alsa? Or is this a question like gnome or kde?
[02:45] <jono> hi all
[02:45] <jono> jdub, ping
[02:45] <Riddell> Vaportrail: alsa is more advanced
[02:45] <Vaportrail> hi
[02:46] <trey3> Vaportrail: 2.6.x only emulates OSS for legacy reasons.
[02:46] <Vaportrail> Riddell as the titel says? :P
[02:46] <randabis> generally ALSA is better, OSS is deprecated
[02:46] <jdub> Vaportrail: no, it's a simpler one -> alsa is better because oss is no longer being actively developed.
[02:46] <randabis> but NVIDIA's nforce audio still uses it
[02:46] <jdub> jono: pong
[02:46] <com-error> alsa if it works
[02:46] <Vaportrail> thx :)
[02:46] <Arkaine> oss seems to handle my sound blaster live card better...alsa lists all 32 channels in the volume control :)
[02:46] <randabis> lol
[02:47] <jdub> Arkaine: that's the volume controls fault, not entirely alsa's (it's greatly improved in gnome 2.10)
[02:47] <Ensiferum> Arkaine: same here
[02:47] <jono> jdub, we (openadvantage) are looking to get ubuntu working on an OQO (www.oqo.com)
[02:47] <jdub> jono: great
[02:47] <jono> jdub, we would be happy to lend one of the units to canonical to get it working, would this be of interest?
[02:47] <Zindar> btw... will mdsn be supported in hoary?
[02:47] <jdub> jono: almost certainly
[02:47] <jono> jdub, great, I am just testing hoary dailies on it now
[02:48] <jono> jdub, the mouse seems to be the problem at the moment
[02:48] <jdub> jono: could you please mail myself and jane.silber@canonical.com
[02:48] <Zindar> I want one too :)
[02:48] <jono> jdub, I will mail you now
[02:48] <jdub> jono: just been reading about those today
[02:48] <Vaportrail> k, than my only problem is the only 1 sound source thing without sound daemons :(, need new-> old sblive :P
[02:49] <jono> jdub, they are really nice machines
[02:49] <jdub> jono: zippy?
[02:49] <com-error> HELLO?
[02:49] <jono> jdub, zippy?
[02:49] <jdub> jono: speedy?
[02:49] <Zindar> com-error: hi :)
[02:49] <jono> jdub, yeah it seems so,and its got bluetooth and wireless
[02:49] <com-error> zindar:hi
[02:50] <com-error> zindar: com-port-mouse doesnt work with ubuntu-linux. need help
[02:50] <Vaportrail> hmm, another question: Is it possible to rename the titles of the GnomeMen. the both on the top-panel beside the gnome icon
[02:51] <Zindar> com-error: if nobody answers here... check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToGetHelp and see other option
[02:51] <randabis> or perhaps try to be a little more specific.... heh
[02:51] <Zindar> :)
[02:51] <com-error> what do you mean
[02:52] <randabis>  arg4 m3 m0us3 dun w3rk 431p
[02:52] <randabis> that won't get you anywhere
[02:52] <com-error> ive got a mouse with a com-port x-server starts but mouse-cursor doesnt move
[02:53] <randabis> maybe it isn't configured
[02:53] <com-error> how can i configure it
[02:54] <randabis> xconfig or manually edit the XF86Config-4 file
[02:54] <jono> jdub, sent
[02:54] <Zindar> com-error: can you find it in "lshal" ?
[02:54] <jono> jdub, I figured Colin Watson may need to poke around with an OQO to fix some installer quirks
[02:54] <com-error> sorry what is ishal
[02:55] <Zindar> com-error: try it.. run "lshal" om command line
[02:55] <trey3> com-error: lshal ... type it in a terminal
[02:55] <com-error> i`m not under linux so i cant try try it out
[02:56] <com-error> tell me please what i got to do, than i will change the os
[02:56] <jdub> jono: our installersmith and laptopsmith are both in the uk
[02:56] <jdub> jono: handy
[02:56] <trey3> com-error: kinda hard to tell you when we don't know the *actual* issue yet...
[02:57] <jono> jdub, exactly :)
[02:57] <jono> jdub, well I can always head over to meet them if needed
[02:57] <com-error> i will try it with Ishal thank you i will be back in a few minutes
[02:58] <trey3> hah... corrected twice, and still doesn't get it  :/
[03:01] <randabis> hmm...Zindar, you have any experience with bootsplash?
[03:01] <randabis> I'm having this really quirky problem
[03:02] <randabis> My shutdown bootsplash works correctly, but my startup bootsplash doesn't work at all
[03:02] <randabis> I can't figure it out for the life of me :\
[03:05] <fuldl> can anyone give me a link which dvb usb boxes are currently supported by the kernel
[03:06] <sjoerd> fuldl: http://linuxtv.org/download/dvb/CARDS
[03:06] <Zindar> randabis: nope
[03:10] <jono> who does the laptop stuff at Canonical?
[03:11] <jdub> jono: thom generally does laptop-oriented stuff
[03:11] <daniels> jono: at Ubuntu, mainly mjg59 (although he works on Ubuntu in his spare time), thom, and myself
[03:12] <jdub> jono: mjg59 does lots of power management stuff (he's not canonical though)
[03:13] <ZzeCoOl> zzecool@Afterburner:~ $ sudo vsftpd
[03:13] <ZzeCoOl> 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket
[03:13] <ZzeCoOl> zzecool@Afterburner:~ $
[03:13] <ZzeCoOl> ???
[03:13] <ZzeCoOl> any help?
[03:14] <jono> thanks guys
[03:14] <sjoerd> ZzeCoOl: you shouldn't start daemons that way and it was probably already started after install
[03:14] <housetier> ZzeCoOl you want to start a ftp server?
[03:14] <ZzeCoOl> yes
[03:14] <Arkaine> you running it as root?
[03:14] <atariboy`> ah. XORG radeon driver doesn't support TV-out yet. that explains my problems
[03:14] <jadawin> ZzeCoOl: http://www.fbunet.de/vsftpd.shtml
[03:14] <housetier> ZzeCoOl are you sure its not running already?
[03:15] <ZzeCoOl> housetier: no
[03:15] <ZzeCoOl> how can i be?
[03:15] <housetier> ZzeCoOl well if it's properly installed you can just "sudo invoke-rc.d vsftpd restart"
[03:15] <jadawin> ZzeCoOl: http://www.debiansec.com/linux/services/ftp.html
[03:16] <housetier> ZzeCoOl in any case it should be running afterwards
[03:16] <ZzeCoOl> yes it is running :P
[03:16] <ZzeCoOl> but where i must put the files that i want to be in ther?
[03:18] <housetier> ZzeCoOl this kind of information should be in documentation to vsftp, readmes, man pages, and such
[03:18] <ZzeCoOl> ok thanx
[03:19] <Arkaine> if you set chroot_local_user=YES    you can login as a user and it will start in the home dir
[03:19] <Arkaine> oh yeah... make sure anonymous_enable=NO  unless you want peeps to login anonymously :)
[03:20] <jadawin> read url i wrote here :)
[03:20] <jadawin> http://www.debiansec.com/linux/services/ftp.html <- this one is cool
[03:20] <Arkaine> that is a nice one :)
[03:21] <ZzeCoOl> in the tutturial i cant find where to specify the ftp folders
[03:22] <ZzeCoOl> or where to put your files
[03:22] <ZzeCoOl> tutorial*
[03:23] <Arkaine> do you want to specify a directoy or let each user on the system ftp into his home directory?
[03:24] <Arkaine> i personally like the latter :)
[03:25] <Konlied> Is it my imagination or is vncpasswd broken in warty?
[03:25] <ZzeCoOl> no i want users to login anonymous at a folder that im gonna spescify
[03:25] <ZzeCoOl> specify
[03:26] <Arkaine> then i think it's /home/ftp
[03:26] <ZzeCoOl> ixixxixi
[03:26] <rexiboy> hello all :)
[03:26] <ZzeCoOl> yes it is thank you very much
[03:28] <ZzeCoOl> Arkaine: but i dont have permissions into /home/ftp
[03:28] <ZzeCoOl> what i must do?
[03:28] <Arkaine> idunno...i never did anonymous before...i always shunned it :)
[03:29] <ZzeCoOl> no i mean i cant put a file as zzecool in the /home/ftp
[03:29] <rexiboy> trying to symlink libglx.so to libglx.a but it's already linked to libglx.so.1.2269 how do i unsymlink? i need to get glx workin...
[03:29] <Arkaine> hold on
[03:30] <rexiboy> anyone got glx going?
[03:31] <lukasz> Qerub plz
[03:31] <rexiboy> ?
[03:31] <lukasz> Qerub plz answer
[03:32] <pybe-lappy> rexiboy: yeah with a whapping 250 fps =)
[03:32] <rexiboy> what was the q?
[03:32] <lukasz> i need
[03:32] <lukasz> help
[03:32] <rexiboy> pybe-lappy, don't tease :) how did you symlink the libglx? or did you at all?
[03:33] <pybe-lappy> rexiboy: just works
[03:33] <rexiboy> lukasz, whasup?
[03:33] <Arkaine> z, try anon_mkdir_write_enable=YES   anon_other_write_enable=YES   anon_upload_enable=YES
[03:33] <rexiboy> pybe-lappy, oh but ofcourse! :)
[03:33] <lukasz> i formated a disk and now i have 800 on 640 what should i do
[03:33] <pybe-lappy> rexiboy: what card?
[03:33] <lukasz> and only 16 coulors
[03:33] <rexiboy> 6800
[03:33] <Arkaine> oh yeah, and write_enable=YES
[03:33] <pybe-lappy> rexiboy: ati?
[03:34] <lukasz> no
[03:34] <jintonic> how do you start xorg?
[03:34] <rexiboy> nvidia! will not touch ati
[03:34] <pybe-lappy> rexiboy: i think the wiki has some good info
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl> k thanx
[03:34] <trey3> jintonic: same as xfree86
[03:34] <jintonic> startx isn't working
[03:34] <rexiboy> pybe-lappy, yes it says to symlink my libglx to a libglx.a...
[03:34] <trey3> jintonic: make sure xserver-xorg is installed (dpkg -l)
[03:35] <pybe-lappy> rexiboy: then what happens
[03:35] <rexiboy> trying to symlink libglx.so to libglx.a but it's already linked to libglx.so.1.2269 how do i unsymlink? i need to get glx workin...
[03:35] <Arkaine> z: and when you're done, you'll need to restart it using the command: /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart
[03:35] <pybe-lappy> rexiboy: rename or delete it
[03:35] <Konlied> Help! Despite installing the named libs package, I am always getting the error "vncpasswd: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open sahred object file: no such file or directory".
[03:35] <trey3> pybe-lappy: no rename... move  ;)
[03:35] <rexiboy> will try that be back in a sec
[03:36] <jintonic> xserver-xorg is installed
[03:36] <rexiboy> lukasz, i'll try and give you a hand soon
[03:36] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: is it definatley there?
[03:36] <lukasz> okey
[03:36] <jintonic> i just ran startx, its been doing nothing for about 30secs now
[03:37] <jintonic> "giving up", connection refused (errno 111)L unable to connect to x server
[03:38] <jintonic> no such process (errno 3): server error
[03:38] <Konlied> pybe-lappy: yep, I installed libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 as per the instructions at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3307060179/talkback/1099123912
[03:38] <trey3> jintonic: /etc/init.d/gdm start doesn't work either? (not sure how that would change things, but yeah)
[03:39] <Konlied> pybe-lappy: the thing is I can run vncpaswd fine as root but I can't under any user account..
[03:39] <jintonic> that says "starting gdm [fail] "
[03:39] <trey3> Konlied: joy... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:40] <pybe-lappy> Konlied: heh tried uninstall all the vncstuff and reinstalling it?
[03:40] <trey3> Konlied: dpkg-reconfigure debconf and set to 'low' priority first though... else that is useless  :/
[03:40] <Arkaine> omg, it's 9:40 in the morning and i haven't even slept yet...
[03:40] <trey3> Arkaine: hah... welcome to the geeks world  :P
[03:40] <Konlied> trey3: you must be kidding. graah!
[03:41] <trey3> Konlied: ?
[03:41] <Konlied> thanks I'll try
[03:42] <Konlied> What happened there? Is vncpasswd reliant on a different version of x than was released?
[03:42] <jintonic>  /etc/init.d/gdm start returns "starting gdm [fail] "
[03:42] <trey3> Konlied: ahh... I should pay better attention  *nods* sorry
[03:43] <rexiboy> no good :(
[03:43] <trey3> jintonic: do what I just told Konlied... I guess I got nicks muggled somehow  :/
[03:43] <rexiboy> lukasz, do you have a problem with xorg.conf?
[03:43] <jintonic> i'm in bitchx, i dunno how to scroll up to that
[03:44] <jintonic> hey, pgup works, nvm
[03:44] <Konlied> oh man
[03:44] <mcdonaldswes> where would I be able to find the germinate code?
[03:44] <trey3> rexiboy: he is probably using hoary... new to linux, friend installed it apparently... have to be very clear with him.... somewhat frustrating  :/
[03:44] <trey3> s/hoary/warty/
[03:44] <Konlied> pybe-lappy: yes I've installed vnc from both supplied packages and the one on the vnc site
[03:46] <trey3> Konlied: what vnc server are you using?
[03:46] <jintonic> "xserver is broken or not fully installed"
[03:46] <trey3> trying to use*
[03:46] <jintonic> ya know, i kinda guessed that :)
[03:46] <trey3> jintonic: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:46] <jintonic> thats what i did to get that error
[03:47] <trey3> jintonic: apt-get install -reinstall xserver-xorg
[03:48] <trey3> Konlied: there are many  :/
[03:48] <jintonic> missing dependincy, libflac6
[03:49] <trey3> jintonic: ugh... dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archive/libflac6*hit tab*
[03:49] <trey3> Had that issue earlier  :/
[03:50] <Konlied> trey3: sorry for delay. I had the version supplied as part of warty, and then Real VNC 4.0
[03:50] <Konlied> I believ they are the same version but both have the same lib problem in vncpasswd
[03:51] <jintonic> dpesmt ;ppl ;ole o have that /var/cache....
[03:51] <trey3> Konlied: Any reason you're not using Vino?  seems very easy to use... or are you?
[03:51] <jintonic> blahh!
[03:51] <trey3> jintonic: use tab to complete path... its there...
[03:51] <jintonic> doesnt look like i have that /var/cache/...
[03:51] <Konlied> What's vino? Is it part of gnome?
[03:51] <trey3> Konlied: yes
[03:51] <trey3> jintonic: you have to  :/
[03:52] <jintonic> archives, plural
[03:52] <trey3> jintonic: yup... my bad  :(
[03:53] <Konlied> try3: I know what you're talking about. I prefer to use vncserver since it allow me to have vnc desktop and a regular desk at the same time.\
[03:53] <jintonic> ok, worked i think?
[03:53] <trey3> Konlied: so does Vino afaik... and its just one click away from functional use afaict
[03:54] <trey3> jintonic: at the bottem, last line states Setting up libflac6....?
[03:54] <trey3> jintonic: if so... apt-get install xserver-xorg again  :)
[03:55] <Konlied> trey3: Apparently vino is already installed but "command not found"
[03:55] <jintonic> yup
[03:55] <trey3> Konlied: Computer > Preferences > Remote Desktop
[03:56] <jintonic> haha, funny error msg kinda: "Hmm, cupsys won't stop... I wait 5 seconds"
[03:56] <trey3> jintonic: hah... I had to do that manually  :/
[03:56] <trey3> /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[03:57] <trey3> Then do it again, and it actually proceeds... errored out twice before I decided to intervene  :)
[03:57] <jintonic> heh
[03:57] <trey3> jintonic: actually, the script should start it again, so 'stop' should be fine  :)
[03:59] <trey3> Konlied: binary is vino-server btw  :)
[03:59] <jintonic> jeez, that whole time updating to hoary i was actually updating to xorg, wasn't i? :P
[03:59] <jintonic> rebuilding db! :D
[04:00] <jintonic> yay! i have x again
[04:01] <trey3> uhh... make that 9  :/
[04:01] <Konlied> trey3: vino is exactly what I don't want. Like I said I used vncserver so I could run more than 1 desktop at different dimensions
[04:01] <trey3> jintonic: yay  :)
[04:01] <trey3> Konlied: eh... k
[04:02] <Konlied> I just tried it and it turns out the account needs to be in gnome for vino to work
[04:02] <trey3> Konlied: ahh... thats not very useful  :/
[04:02] <Konlied> as opposed to vncserver where that spawns an instance of gnome
[04:03] <jintonic> still no 3d accel, but the translucent selection rectangle doesn't work slow like it did before
[04:03] <jintonic> :-/
[04:03] <trey3> jintonic: hah... well at least its no worse then when you started out 2 hours ago  :P
[04:03] <jintonic> yeah :P
[04:04] <Konlied> Ubuntu is a shitty distro if puts out releases that won't allow you to run alternative software to the one it recommends.
[04:04] <trey3> Konlied: sorry man... thought vino would be easier... I use xhost usually, but I take it there is a reason for not using that also?
[04:05] <Konlied> And the next person that says
[04:05] <Konlied> nothin' sry
[04:05] <trey3> Konlied: it lets you, but then its not Ubuntu  :/
[04:05] <trey3> Konlied: just gets rid of ubuntu-* meta packages... nothing stopping you though  :/
[04:05] <Konlied> yeah, I'll give that a try.
[04:05] <Konlied> thanks for the help :)
[04:06] <trey3> Konlied: not sure exactly how I helped... but yw  :)
[04:06] <jintonic> hmm... with only 2 windows open the items in the taskbar ar only about 64 pixels wide :-/
[04:06] <jintonic> can only see the first letter of bother windows' names
[04:06] <trey3> jintonic: yeah... I have been wondering whether I should file a bug on that... but its not really a bug I guess, so idk?
[04:07] <Guardiann> trey3 this is a compliment >>> your vey good at this
[04:07] <jintonic> so file it as a minor bug?
[04:07] <trey3> Guardiann: hah... thanks  :)
[04:07] <Guardiann> yw
[04:08] <trey3> jintonic: would be more an enhancement...
[04:14] <jintonic> ahhhh
[04:14] <jintonic> broke postfix
[04:14] <jintonic> i didnt, whorie did
[04:14] <trey3> jintonic: dpkg-reconfigure is your friend  *nods*
[04:14] <trey3> postfix is working here...
[04:15] <lamont> jintonic: how did it break?
[04:16] <jintonic> er, it just after i installed hoary
[04:17] <jintonic> i think all of this somehow stems from some error i got during install for some lib
[04:18] <jintonic> wow! the top menu changed
[04:18] <trey3> jintonic: mhmm... much more intelligent  :)
[04:18] <trey3> bugged me that "Screenshot" was in "Computer" for instance  :)
[04:19] <Keybuk> the hoary menu is what we always wanted, the warty menu was something of a time/ideal compromise
[04:21] <trey3> Keybuk: just out of curiosity... is it using gnome-menu now instead of vfolders?
[04:22] <trey3> Keybuk: I read that its going to... just wondering if its been implemented yet?
[04:22] <jintonic> hmm, looks like it broke my sound card driver too
[04:22] <Keybuk> yes
[04:22] <trey3> Keybuk: ahh cool :)
[04:24] <jintonic> er, maybe not :-/
[04:25] <jintonic> wesnoth is a silent game?
[04:25] <trey3> jintonic: if you don't install wesnoth-sounds it is  :P
[04:25] <jintonic> hahahaha
[04:25] <trey3> uhh... -music even
[04:26] <trey3> jintonic: pretty cool game though for being free  :)
[04:26] <kent> regarding the Hoary menu,  one problem is that its not realy easy for beginners to know that in the "places" menu, also the file-selector bookmarks go. There should be some kinf of line saying its file-selector-bookmarks. (and perhaps also contain internet-bookmarks?)
[04:27] <seb128> no way
[04:28] <seb128> you don't want a 3 screen high places menu
[04:28] <seb128> no browser bookmarks here :)
[04:29] <jintonic> it could be a submenu
[04:29] <jintonic> and bottom-less submenu
[04:29] <Keybuk> kent: we were kinda hoping that upstream would've unified the Nautilus and FileChooser bookmarks by now
[04:29] <Keybuk> I have a trial of that patch around somewhere, I might have to dig it out and clean it up
[04:29] <seb128> too late :(
[04:29] <kent> Keybuk, ok. That sounds understandable.
[04:29] <seb128> feature freeze in 10th of jan
[04:30] <seb128> kent: you have an epiphany extension to get the bookmark in the notify area btw :)
[04:31] <trey3> well... if he gets the trial patch in soon.... he can still fix it over time or remove at a later date :)
[04:31] <Keybuk> seb128: yeah, too late for gnome upstream; we could still include it though :)
[04:31] <seb128> right
[04:31] <Keybuk> but this relies on me being less elmo-like and doing something
[04:31] <seb128> what's the change ? use gtk-bookmarks in nautilus ?
[04:31] <Keybuk> seb128: yeah
[04:31] <kent> my main concern is that its not so easy for other to understand how to put bookmarks in there. I mean, even the file-selector is hard to understand for real beginners. And if people do understand howto, it looks a bit ugly right now, since i think it should have a seperator with a "bookmarks"-line or something.
[04:32] <Keybuk> Places in nautilus looks like the top-level Places menu, with an "Add this Place" option
[04:32] <seb128> Keybuk: could be nice to get :)
[04:33] <kent> btw, i realy love how the new look of the Help (yelp) program. It look kind of profesional now :)
[04:33] <seb128> me too
[04:34] <trey3> kent: bah... I was waiting on that to load for like 10 mins earlier... wanted to check out the info integration... see if it was in yet  :/
[04:35] <^^Cub^^> Has any one Installed Ubuntu on an Compaq server?
[04:35] <kent> There's only one thing missing and thats some irritating animation that sucks CPU,  then its kind of ready for mainstream ;)
[04:36] <^^Cub^^> i keep having issues with mounting the CDRom
[04:36] <trey3> ^^Cub^^: whats the error say?
[04:37] <^^Cub^^> unable tomount
[04:37] <^^Cub^^> let me pull it back up one sec
[04:37] <trey3> Does it give a reason?  :/
[04:37] <^^Cub^^> let me pull it up
[04:37] <^^Cub^^> server is rebooting
[04:38] <goran> hmm, is something broken with the libpng dependencies? It won't let me install any libpng-dev package
[04:39] <^^Cub^^> Your installation cd-rom coulden't be mounted. this probably means that the cd-rom was not in the drive. if so you can insert it and try again.
[04:41] <^^Cub^^> trey3: you see my post?
[04:42] <trey3> ^^Cub^^: stupid question... its in the drive correct?
[04:42] <trey3> ^^Cub^^: what type of media is on the disc?
[04:42] <^^Cub^^> uh,  what ever was on the isa
[04:42] <^^Cub^^> iso*
[04:43] <^^Cub^^> burned it useing Clone CD
[04:43] <trey3> ^^Cub^^: what exact command are you using?
[04:43] <^^Cub^^> this is during the install
[04:44] <^^Cub^^> trying to install ubuntu
[04:44] <trey3> ^^Cub^^: oh... ahh.. you check to make sure you didn't just end up with a .iso on the disc... that it is actually a filesystem?
[04:44] <^^Cub^^> it booted to the loading screen
[04:44] <^^Cub^^> did all the checking
[04:45] <EndTwist> n00b problem: I ran the live cd and attempted to set up wireless, but under the network setup > wireless setup my card wasn't available to be chosen. I checked the device manager and saw that it was a "Broadcom" chip. How should I set up my wireless card on the livecd?
[04:45] <trey3> ^^Cub^^: hmm... idk then... seems it worked if you got to the install screen... what point does it say this?
[04:50] <randabis> EndTwist, I think broadcom chips aren't supported out of the box
[04:50] <EndTwist> :X
[04:50] <EndTwist> Damn
[04:50] <EndTwist> Anything I can do on the livecd to get it to run?
[04:50] <HauntedUnix> I had to use ndiswrapper for my Belkin card, but it was pretty easy
[04:51] <dissent> Anybody know if there is a way to install Ubuntu by booting from floppies and then installing the OS from a hard drive partition?
[04:51] <randabis> I don't know...theoretically it could be possible I guess
[04:52] <Ensiferum> everything's possible in theory :)
[04:55] <dissent> I ordered the CDs because I don't have a burner, but that seems to take quite a while and I really wanted to try out the OS so I'm trying to think of any way I could make it work...  I guess I'll be waiting for the CDs  = )
[04:55] <kezz> u got a knoppix cd?
[04:55] <^^Cub^^> trey3: one min i got a call i need to work on (missed all msgs you might have posted)
[04:55] <dissent> Unfortunately no
[04:56] <kezz> heh
[04:56] <kezz> you could install debian from floppies and then change ur sources to ubuntu
[04:57] <kezz> floppies -> ftp -> debian base system -> ubuntu
[04:57] <kezz> but ive never tried it
[04:58] <dissent> I tried that once recently to install Debian, but it doesn't seem to work if you're on dial up (which I am...).  You get a ways into the install and it asks you to insert the module for your network card...
[04:58] <kezz> ah on dialup?
[04:59] <kezz> i wouldn't bother
[04:59] <dissent> It would appear that I *can't* bother  = )
[04:59] <kezz> get the cd's from an online seller
[04:59] <ycco> how do you install new fonts?
[04:59] <kezz> they'll arrive sooner and aren't very expensive
[05:00] <[mirak-] > ?
[05:01] <ycco> hah
[05:01] <ycco> never mind.
[05:01] <ycco> That was beyond easy:   mkdir ~/.fonts    and put the font in there.
[05:01] <ycco> Brilliant
[05:03] <Guardiann> dissent the magazine linux user has the Ubuntu cd
[05:03] <stvn> what's the beef with flac4 and flac6 in hoary?
[05:04] <goran> hmm, libx11-dev also has broken deps
[05:04] <kent> Im having some trouble with X/Gnome in Hoary now. Shouldn't  rm -rf .gnome2  be enough to get gnome back to default?  It works for a newly created user, but my old account only gets the panel (wihtout something on it), and nautilus dont seem to start at all.) I have tried to delete .gnome2 but nothing happens. Its strange since i dont get an error, and it works for the other user :(
[05:05] <BeTa> anyone knows why does my ubuntu linux has (net)installed well, w/ a network setted up w/ dhcp, etc...
[05:05] <randabis> I'd just get a burner...you can get a decent one for like 20-30 dollars now
[05:05] <randabis> and you can even get a dvd burner for only about 20-30 more
[05:06] <kent> and if i press "ctrl+alt+backspace" when logged in (well,  tried to atleast) the gnome-panel program stays in the background and makes it so that it dont even load the next time, if i dont kill it by hand (should it not die when X dies?)
[05:06] <BeTa> and why the first boot forgave my network conf (dhcp) which makes it stopping when it tries to D/L dists from archives.ubuntulinux.com (or something like that) ?
[05:06] <lukasz> trey3
[05:07] <goran> hmm, libx11-dev depends on the libx11-6 from warty, it won't be happy with libx11-6 from warty-security
[05:07] <dissent> Well, thanks to everyone for your advice.  You guys really are nice to the newcomers  = )
[05:09] <goran> also.. libx11-dev depends on libxi-dev which in turn depends on libx11-dev ..
[05:09] <Ensiferum> hmm. does totem use xine libraries and plugins?
[05:09] <kent> Ensiferum, not by default. You have to install totem-xine
[05:10] <EndTwist> While using the LiveCD, can I install ndiswrapper?
[05:10] <Ensiferum> kent: thanks
[05:10] <^^Cub^^> Ookay im back
[05:11] <BeTa> I've spoken too quickly... maybe it was a network problem here :c/
[05:11] <Ensiferum> synaptic is probably the nicest package manager thingy i have ever seen in linux world
[05:11] <BeTa> sorry ;c)
[05:11] <BeTa> ubuntu rox !!!!! :c)
[05:12] <^^Cub^^> trey3: after i choose my Keyboard layout
[05:12] <^^Cub^^> detecting hardware to find cdrom drives
[05:13] <Ensiferum> gawd. now i only get a bluesreen in totem :|
[05:14] <goran> does installing x-window-system-dev work for anybody else? it seems horribly broken here
[05:18] <Rene_S> Broken ?  I guess since I dont program I just take it for granted that it does its job, when I am compiling
[05:19] <goran> the dependencies, they fail to install
[05:19] <Rene_S> Hoary or Warty ?
[05:19] <goran> even libx11-dev won't install
[05:19] <goran> warty
[05:20] <Rene_S> Really ?  ensure you have the universe repo activated
[05:20] <goran> I have
[05:20] <goran> for libx11-dev there is a circular dependency with libxi-dev
[05:21] <Rene_S> hmm. try and install x-window-system
[05:22] <goran> I think what's broken is that some packages depend on the packages from warty, but wont be happy with the upgraded packages from warty-security
[05:22] <Rene_S> ah
[05:23] <Rene_S> Ok try and see on the forums if this happened to anyone else
[05:23] <goran> so I have do downgrade quite some packages
[05:23] <mz2> hmm, i have a strange problem
[05:23] <mz2> my /dev/dsp has disappeared
[05:24] <Rene_S> Did you venture out paste the warty repo's by anychance ?
[05:24] <goran> I think it works now, I downgraded a few packages
[05:43] <kosmonautti> I'm trying to upgrade to Hoary, but after a while apt-get told me that gimp was trying to override a file that belongs to gimp-data, but failed. How do I fix that?
[05:45] <Kosai> dpkg --force-all -i gimp
[05:45] <kosmonautti> can I do that before apt-get dist-upgrade or after the error?
[05:46] <Kosai> You can do it anytime, and need to replace gimp with /var/cache/apt/archives/gimp-whateverversion.deb.
[05:46] <ironwolf> is there a known issue this AM with libflac4 not wanting to play nice with libflac6 in hoary?
[05:47] <kosmonautti> so if I do "dpkg --force-all -i gimp" and after that "apt-get dist-upgrade" I should be off without any problems concerning gimp package?
[05:47] <ironwolf> apt-get dist-upgrade is erroring out on this one package.
[05:49] <kosmonautti> Btw, Is it possible to upgrade the hotplug subsystem for Warty? That's basically my only problem, because hotplug keeps freezing up my system during bootups?
[05:49] <Keybuk> meh; you realise that --force-all is the equivalent of driving a package into your system with a sledge hammer, right?
[05:50] <Keybuk> just use --force-overwrite for that, and then file a bug
[05:51] <Keybuk> kosmonautti: upgrading hotplug wouldn't help, I suspect; it's probably a particular module taking a while to load
[05:51] <kosmonautti> Keybuk: No matter how long I wait it just doesn't go anywhere. I searched the forums and some people solved the problem by just upgrading hotplug.
[05:51] <bretzel> HI randabis: how is your kernel upgrade ?
[05:51] <emanuelez> i have problems with apt handling libflac6... is anybody else facing this?
[05:53] <bretzel> I've just added 512MB of ram in this computer  ==> 1.0GB now :-)
[05:54] <kent> ironwolf, i have the same issue aswell  with libflac :(
[05:55] <kent> emanuelez, it must be a known problem, becaus several people have it :(
[05:55] <emanuelez> kent: i see... so i guess we just have to wait for repositories being fixed
[05:56] <kent> emanuelez, i read on ubuntu-devel right now, that its being worked on. I guess we have to wait..
[05:56] <emanuelez> kent: that's cool
[05:57] <randabis> bretzel, it went well :)
[05:57] <randabis> my bootsplash is acting weird though
[05:57] <randabis> the shutdown bootsplash works, but the startup one doesn't
[05:57] <randabis> and no one seems to know why, or how I can fix it
[05:58] <kent> randabis, are you people working on bootsplash for Hoary? :)
[05:59] <runenes> "mencoder: Depends: libpng10-0 (>= 1.0.18) but 1.0.15-6ubuntu1 is to be installed" - some way I can have both living happily together?
[05:59] <randabis> i'm not a developer
[06:00] <randabis> but hoary is supposed to use usplash
[06:01] <llun_ved> anyone here use the ubuntu live CD very much?
[06:02] <llun_ved> hello?
[06:03] <pybe-lappy> llun_ved: if someone had they would have said
[06:03] <xav_> hi
[06:03] <^^Cub^^> ugh work wocks
[06:03] <llun_ved> i was checking to see if this was working
[06:03] <^^Cub^^> sucks* cant get time to work on getting ubuntu working
[06:03] <ironwolf> libflac problem is being looked into/fixed as we speak/type
[06:06] <xav_> is there an ubuntu howto to install a custom kernel?
[06:07] <llun_ved> i guess those in the know are sleeping or away
[06:10] <randabis> as far as the liveCD goes, you might be able to get more help with it in Morphix support forums
[06:10] <randabis> The ubuntu liveCD is nothing more than Morphix with a Ubunu feel/style to it
[06:13] <xav_> do you all use the default kernel ?
[06:13] <xav_> it's fine but a custom kernel should be better
[06:14] <sjoerd> xav_: why would a custom kernel be better ?
[06:14] <xav_> it's lighter and newer
[06:15] <sjoerd> newer != better
[06:15] <xav_> and you can add extra patches, like ck
[06:15] <Kosai> xav_: There's a contradiction in wanting a HOWTO to mess with kernels.  The whole point is that you're doing it to explore; if you want someone to do the work for you, use a packaged one.
[06:15] <xav_> I can install it manually
[06:15] <xav_> but there are maybe ubuntu tools to do it
[06:16] <Agrajag> the ubuntu tool for installing a kernel is apt-get
[06:16] <sjoerd> xav_: look at kernel-package
[06:16] <sjoerd> xav_: but it's recommended to use production kernels
[06:16] <xav_> really?
[06:17] <sjoerd> bah, s/production/distribution/
[06:17] <sleon|ubuntu> hi
[06:17] <sleon|ubuntu> why is firefox 1.0 still not in the package repository?
[06:17] <[^NoRd|k^] > wenas a to2 by NordiK
[06:17] <xav_> I had 2.6.10-ck2 and I was happy with it
[06:18] <xav_> but it's right that 2.6.8 isn't bad
[06:18] <seb128> sleon|ubuntu: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox_1.0.orig.tar.gz
[06:18] <hsdhjs> buenas
[06:18] <seb128> sleon|ubuntu: it is
[06:18] <sleon|ubuntu> seb128, why can't i see it then even if i update?
[06:19] <seb128> warty or hoary ?
[06:19] <seb128> sleon|ubuntu: it was not out for the warty release
[06:19] <sleon|ubuntu> seb128, warty
[06:19] <Vince-0> I get an error 17 with My GRUB loader : how can I fix it ?
[06:19] <seb128> sleon|ubuntu: ok, that explains why :)
[06:20] <sleon|ubuntu> is there any grafik utility for services configuration?
[06:20] <sleon|ubuntu> seb128, a ok
[06:20] <sleon|ubuntu> seb128, thank you
[06:20] <seb128> sleon|ubuntu: np. BTW there is some backports for warty, firefox 1.0 is one of them
[06:20] <seb128> sleon|ubuntu: if you want it: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu/
[06:20] <sleon|ubuntu> seb128, lol
[06:21] <seb128> sleon|ubuntu: ?
[06:21] <sleon|ubuntu> seb128, BreakMyUbuntu hahahaha
[06:21] <seb128> :)
[06:22] <sleon|ubuntu> seb128, can you recommend me any util to select which services should be started?
[06:22] <sleon|ubuntu> seb128, something like ksysv but for gnome
[06:23] <seb128> sleon|ubuntu: nop, there is one tools for this is gnome-system-tools because it's bugged and mess all the startup links sometime
[06:23] <xav_> can't I have both dvdrip and mplayer-586 installed?
[06:23] <sleon|ubuntu> seb128, sysvconfig?
[06:23] <spektr> Vince-0: error 17 == grub doesn't recognize the filesystem. maybe a wrong partition for root?
[06:23] <sleon|ubuntu> or sysv-rc-config?
[06:23] <bob2> gtk bug!
[06:24] <sleon|ubuntu> spektr, it happend to me when my linux harddrive crashed
[06:24] <Vince-0> spektr : I will take a look
[06:24] <seb128> sleon|ubuntu: yep, but these are not graphical tools :)
[06:24] <xav_> there must be something wrong
[06:24] <sleon|ubuntu> seb128, sorry or console tools?
[06:24] <sleon|ubuntu> seb128, are there such standart tools for debian?
[06:24] <xav_> both were running fine on my previous distrib
[06:25] <bob2> :-)
[06:25] <pybe-lappy> xav_: why cant you have them both now?
[06:25] <seb128> sleon|ubuntu: sysv-rc-conf
[06:26] <sleon|ubuntu> seb128, thank you
[06:26] <seb128> np
[06:26] <Xerakko> hello could anybody make a apt-file search acx100-pci.ko on your ubuntu?
[06:27] <xav_> pybe-lappy, installing dvdrip wants to desinstall mplayer
[06:27] <pybe-lappy> xav_: whats it say?
[06:27] <xav_> because of some conflicts with the dependencies I guess
[06:28] <xav_> it just says it will uninstall mplayer and some others
[06:28] <bretzel> randabis: i was AFK, so it went well - How is the process ? complicated, do you get the splash now :-) ?
[06:28] <thenuke> what does apt-get -f install do?
[06:28] <randabis> bretzel, it wasn't too bad...I'm used to kernel compiles
[06:28] <Gnat42> anyone get xmame/xmess installed on ubuntu - PPC ?
[06:28] <randabis> Yes, my splash works, sort of
[06:29] <pybe-lappy> xav_: heh i cant even install mplayer, says broken package unmet deps
[06:29] <xav_> pybe-lappy, with apt-get, it tells me transcode and imagemakick can't be installed
[06:29] <Gnat42> Using synaptic, it finds xmess-common and xmame-common
[06:29] <randabis> my shutdown splash works, but I can't get the startup splash working for some reason
[06:29] <Xerakko> plz in wich package is acx100-pci.ko in ubuntu?
[06:29] <Gnat42> but can't find xmame?
[06:29] <bretzel> hehehe Soft of ? at boot it doesn't work if I remember ?
[06:29] <xav_> pybe-lappy, hmm I had that too
[06:29] <grepper> Xerakko, no hits
[06:29] <pybe-lappy> xav_: same with dvdrip
[06:29] <pybe-lappy> Xerakko: apt-file doesnt exists
[06:29] <Xerakko> grepper: could you try acx_pci.ko?
[06:29] <randabis> yeah, shutdown splash works perfectly, with animations, but my startup splash won't work at all
[06:29] <xav_> all these repo are really confusing
[06:30] <randabis> The framebuffer loads, but no splash
[06:30] <bretzel> Do you have the linux cosonles in framebuffer now ?
[06:30] <bob2> thenuke: just what the man page says
[06:30] <randabis> yes
[06:30] <bob2> thenuke: it tries to unbreak your dependencies
[06:30] <randabis> 1280x1024
[06:31] <randabis> just gotta figure out why my startup splash won't show up
[06:31] <randabis> I inserted it into my initrd, so I don't know why it isn't working
[06:31] <bretzel> Because actually if I am putting vga=xxxx it does launch in fb but the consoles aren't setup so no fonts in fb on this 2.6.8 version.
[06:31] <grepper> Xerakko, yep, in linux-image-2.6.8.1-foo
[06:31] <Xerakko> grepper: thank you very much!
[06:32] <pybe-lappy> Xerakko: its _ not -
[06:32] <grepper> np
[06:32] <grepper> no ?
[06:32] <pybe-lappy> Xerakko: inthe kernel package
[06:32] <randabis> bretzel, yeah I get fonts just fine
[06:32] <randabis> made sure that was in my kernel config
[06:33] <grepper> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/acx/acx_pci.ko
[06:33] <bretzel> Randabis: If I have time I will get into 2.8.10 me too but all the procedures to get that kernel sources in this Ubuntu ( for compile setup modules I am ok me too) is unknow for me
[06:33] <randabis> I just downloaded a vanilla kernel from kernel.org
[06:34] <bretzel> randabis: then to integreate this source in Ubuntu ? how it is related to Ubuntu/Debian way ?
[06:34] <bob2> kernel.org kernels do not have a lot of the modules ubuntu kernels include
[06:34] <bretzel> bob2: That is what I mean :-)
[06:34] <bob2> if you don't know how to build external modules, just use ubuntu kernels, for everyone's sake
[06:34] <randabis> make my symbolic link to the new kernel source, did a make xconfig, verified my configuration, did make-kpkg 2.6.10, then installed the .deb
[06:35] <randabis> made my grub changes, and voila
[06:35] <randabis> bob2, yeah, I don't need those modules
[06:35] <bretzel> randabis: Wow its that simple ? ( of course knowing the make-dkpg tool :-) )
[06:35] <randabis> nforce chipset so get my modules from nvidia
[06:36] <randabis> and nvidia video card
[06:36] <bretzel> don't have nforce, just an nvidia vcard, not the chipset
[06:36] <xav_> so it's exactly like the debian way
[06:36] <xav_> ok thanks
[06:36] <randabis> yessir
[06:37] <randabis> you can do it the old fashioned way too if you want
[06:37] <randabis> make, make bzImage, make install, etc
[06:37] <randabis> make-kpkg just makes it easier
[06:37] <runenes> can rhythmbox/totem handle divx?
[06:37] <xav_> but you don't know all what it does at start
[06:38] <bretzel> randabis: like bob2 says: vanilla don't have ubuntu modules... we have to navigate and check all needed mods ?
[06:38] <xav_> which step it does exactly, which files it installs
[06:38] <randabis> yes, you'll need to check all your modules
[06:38] <xav_> the old way is easier to control
[06:38] <xav_> what are ubuntu modules?
[06:38] <bob2> it's so totally not worth building your own kernel
[06:38] <xav_> it's fun
[06:39] <randabis> bob2 I disagree
[06:39] <bretzel> rndabis: but its what it make it fun to conf our own kernel :-)
[06:39] <bob2> randabis: when is it useful?
[06:39] <randabis> when you want to streamline your kernel, add certain things like bootsplash support, etc
[06:39] <xav_> I thought it wasnt bad to have a lighter kernel
[06:40] <bob2> randabis: 'streamline' is almost always a lie
[06:40] <randabis> I like digging through the config :p
[06:40] <bob2> xav_: I bet you can't make a "lighter" kernel than ubuntu ships with
[06:40] <bob2> bootsplash is an argument, but a weak one
[06:40] <xav_> ?
[06:40] <xav_> there are a lot of modules I don't need
[06:40] <bob2> how does removing modules help?
[06:40] <xav_> I don't see how it couldnt be lighter
[06:40] <randabis> modules aren't in your kernel
[06:40] <bob2> all they do is use up a tiny amount of disk space
[06:41] <bob2> they use no ram and no other resources
[06:41] <bretzel> randabis: is the fb console setup it self ? how it is done ?
[06:41] <xav_> there are some useless modules loaded as well
[06:41] <Agrajag> then don't load them
[06:41] <randabis> but there are certain things that some people like built-in to their kernels though too
[06:41] <xav_> I didn't
[06:41] <randabis> like file systems
[06:41] <bob2> xav_: for example?
[06:41] <randabis> bretzel, it's in the graphics support section of the kernel config
[06:42] <bob2> randabis: but there's no point to it[0] 
[06:42] <bob2> 0: there is, sometimes
[06:42] <randabis> well, if you don't want to use an initial ram disk, for instance
[06:42] <bretzel> emu10k1 ;-)
[06:42] <randabis> you'd compile your essentials into the kernel
[06:43] <bob2> yeah, but there's no gain to disabling initrd
[06:43] <bretzel> randabis: good!
[06:43] <xav_> cfbcopyarea cfbimgblt cfbfillrect vesafb evdev tsdev parport lp snd_intel8x0m
[06:43] <randabis> bob2 yeah, but some people don't like it (I'm not one of them, I use one, basically have to with bootsplash)
[06:44] <randabis> you raise good points though
[06:44] <bretzel> since there is no prepared compile env for kernel in ubuntu, is the "/usr/src/linux" ok  as the root ?
[06:44] <randabis> I just like to tweak things basically
[06:44] <bob2> randabis: "most people" don't know what it is :)
[06:44] <bob2> bretzel: what are you doing?
[06:45] <randabis> you'd set a symbolic link to your new kernel source as /usr/src/linux
[06:45] <bretzel> no matter where the src are .. that's it ?
[06:45] <working_pourr> I was thinking of using ubuntu (where is the accent on that?) for a MythTV box ... do standard debian packages generally "just work" with Unbuntu?
[06:45] <randabis> the source should be in /usr/src
[06:45] <bob2> bretzel: what are you trying to do?
[06:46] <bretzel> bob2: asking to be prepared to go to 2.6.10 :-)
[06:46] <xav_> installing a new kernel I guess
[06:46] <kent> ironwolf, have you tried to install flac*  now? all the problem has went away for me now :)
[06:46] <bob2> working_pourr: oo-boo-n-too
[06:46] <bob2> bretzel: erm, 2.6.10 is packaged, use that
[06:46] <randabis> in hoary
[06:46] <bob2> randabis: no, the source should not be there.  build it in your home dir or something
[06:46] <working_pourr> bob2, thanks
[06:46] <bretzel> bob2: in hoary ? ouch! I had bad experiences getting anything from that src
[06:47] <randabis> bob2 yeah you can do that, but I perfer my sources to be in one place
[06:47] <bob2> bretzel: just get the .deb from hoary
[06:47] <bob2> randabis: just as long as you're not building it as root
[06:47] <working_pourr> my guess is the mythtv packages will work as the maintainer is running ubuntu on his webserver :)
[06:47] <sabdfl> lamont: here's the situation
[06:47] <randabis> heh true
[06:47] <dasmi> Well, day two of my Ubuntu iBook install, and things are still working :)
[06:47] <sabdfl> on my local network i have a relayhost that uses (requires) ssl
[06:48] <sabdfl> in general, when I'm roaming, i can see that host, and again have to use ssl
[06:48] <randabis> my friend lance has a problem with hotplugging in the hoary 2.6.10
[06:48] <sabdfl> but many hotel / airport wireless operators transparently intercept smtp
[06:48] <randabis> pcie.ko or something errors
[06:48] <bretzel> but about the usplash ? or whatever bootsplash enabling and more importantly: consoles in fb ... is that pkg of 2.6.10 is etup that way ?
[06:48] <sabdfl> they don't offer ssl
[06:48] <bob2> randabis: no, that's a warning, not a bug
[06:48] <sabdfl> so in that case i don't want to try to use it, it breaks them
[06:48] <lamont_r> and not so transparently either... :-(
[06:48] <bob2> bretzel: you really care *that* much?
[06:49] <randabis> bob2, I didn't think it was anything to worry about
[06:49] <bretzel> bob2: that is my goal, just like randabis :-)
[06:49] <bob2> um, wow, ok
[06:49] <randabis> I get the same error with my laptop in 2.6.8
[06:49] <lamont_r> sabdfl: sounds like you just need to have postfix-tls configured to be opportunistic
[06:50] <sabdfl> ok
[06:50] <bob2> randabis: yes, it's nothing to worry about
[06:50] <lamont_r> I'm pretty sure that's possible.
[06:50] <sabdfl> lamont_r: so setup the relayhost, then setup postfix-tls
[06:50] <bob2> randabis: if it really bothers you, you can blacklist the module in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:50] <lamont_r> sabdfl: I think so.
[06:50] <pybe-lappy> randabis: add the modules to /etc/hotplug/blacklist and the warnings go away
[06:50] <pybe-lappy> lol
[06:50] <pybe-lappy> bob2 beat me to it
[06:50] <randabis> hah cool
[06:52] <sjoerd> lamont_r: smtp_use_tls will let postfix use tls if the other site offers starttls (but i'm sure you already knew that)
[06:52] <bretzel> About modules: I have strange behaviours in booting process in this ubuntu: when init lauches hotplugs system, sometime the boot proc don't pass this step and the computer is not freezing but stuck there infinitely
[06:54] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: did you get the recent hotplugs update?
[06:54] <bretzel> dunno :-) ? hahaha
[06:54] <lamont_r> sjoerd: "configure tls" has been on my "figure this out and make it nicer in postinst" list for way too long
[06:54] <bretzel> I don't think since I grab so much stuf in synaptic...
[06:55] <sjoerd> lamont_r: ah, that's why i had to do it completely by hand on my machines :)
[06:55] <xav_> how do I install a package availabe in deb but not in the repositorie ?
[06:55] <xav_> where should I put the files?
[06:55] <ElVirolo> hi all!
[06:55] <bretzel> is this bad bahve comes from the hotplug updaet ?
[06:55] <mjr> xav_, dpkg -i foo.deb
[06:55] <mjr> umm, with sudo
[06:55] <bob2> xav_: anywhere, doesn't matter
[06:55] <xav_> mjr, bob2 ok thanks
[06:56] <bretzel> sorry : re-typing: is - that bad BEHAVE' comes from the update ?
[06:56] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: my version is 0.0.20040329-16ubuntu2-4.10ubp2
[06:56] <bretzel> pybe:and it is ok ?
[06:56] <ElVirolo> i'm using hoary, and having a prob : after libflac was updated with apt-get dist-upgrade, juk won't start up anymore... it says it can't find libFLAC.so.4
[06:56] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: yep
[06:56] <ElVirolo> can anyone help me,
[06:56] <ElVirolo> ?
[06:56] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: on acouple of machines
[06:57] <lamont_r> sjoerd: yep.
[06:57] <mz2> how do i prevent hotplug from assigning a usb midi keyboard a usb-audio module
[06:57] <bretzel> I am getting it  then... thanks pybe :-)
[06:57] <bob2> ElVirolo: update again
[06:57] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: what hw are you on pc/laptop. Do you have any devs that use hotplug?
[06:57] <xav_> does anyone use dvdrip ?
[06:57] <bretzel> I really dunno what iis hotplug for hehehe
[06:58] <bretzel> It is a noprmal PC (p4, 2.4 usb mouse_
[06:58] <ElVirolo> bob2: i've done it, and the problems still occurs :(
[06:59] <bob2> then you'll have to wait
[06:59] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: try booting with out usb devs plugged in to see if it makes a difference
[06:59] <bob2> minor bugs like this will happen in the unstable version of ubuntu
[06:59] <ElVirolo> bob2: is there anyway I have to report the prob?
[06:59] <ElVirolo> anywhere*
[06:59] <ElVirolo> sry
[06:59] <bob2> I'd be pretty sure it's reported
[06:59] <pybe-lappy> ElVirolo: bugzilla.ubuntusomthing.something
[07:00] <bob2> you can check on bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:00] <pybe-lappy> thas it
[07:00] <ElVirolo> ok :), i'll do that
[07:00] <ElVirolo> thanks guys!
[07:00] <ElVirolo> bye!
[07:00] <bretzel> pybe-lappy: That is what my intuition told me: my mouse is not activated when the hotplug is not success...
[07:00] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: ahh maybe the mouse is faulty
[07:01] <randabis> I'm still here, just putting 2.6.10 with bootsplash on the laptop
[07:01] <pybe-lappy> got to go dinner time =)
[07:01] <randabis-wireles> yeah, right here
[07:02] <bretzel> A Microsoft Intellimouse explorer at $75 canadian money ??? duh! hope not! it works all the this when unfortunately I have to boot winxp :-)
[07:02] <randabis-wireles> ouch
[07:03] <TenPlus1> hi folks...
[07:03] <xav_> can I install the dep with dpgk too ?
[07:04] <bretzel> ok me too leaving for lunch cya latter friends :-)
[07:04] <randabis-wireles> peace
[07:05] <TenPlus1> Can I install any divx/xvid codecs using package install proggy ?
[07:07] <maximaus> TenPlus1, just go to the mplayer website, grab the codecs and throw them in /usr/lib/win32 with no subdirectories.
[07:07] <TenPlus1> damn, that easy ? shit... I'm so used to installing codecs the windows way... thx :)
[07:08] <maximaus> Also install totem-xine or xine-ui as totem's a bit buggy out of the box.
[07:08] <crimsun> Gwildor: yes, I am.
[07:08] <maximaus> yeah that's it
[07:08] <maximaus> xine and totem will look in that folder for codecs.
[07:10] <TenPlus1> kewl, thanks :)  my Ubuntu is taking shape slowly but surely...
[07:10] <maximaus> I'm a new convert as of a month ago--it need a tiny bit of work, but I love it. :D
[07:11] <TenPlus1> best distro yet in my book... managed to get flash and java working :) just need the movie codecs :P
[07:12] <bob2> xav_: dpkg doesn't do that, it's what apt is for
[07:12] <TenPlus1> brb, logging in under Ubuntu
[07:15] <TenPlus1> back
[07:15] <xav_> these repo are awful
[07:16] <xav_> or maybe the package I'm trying to install is
[07:16] <TenPlus1> where do I put the codecs again ?
[07:16] <xav_> but there is definively somethings wrong there
[07:17] <xav_> it seems the easiest is always to switch to unstable
[07:17] <VirtualDarKness> hi, wich file should I edit in order to have another window manager starting up when i simply run startx (no gdm).. ?
[07:18] <bob2> ~/.xsession
[07:18] <bob2> just make it run whatever wm yo uwant
[07:18] <kent> TenPlus1, /usr/lib/win32 ?
[07:19] <VirtualDarKness> bob2, ok now I don't have it so if I create it and make it run something it will run only this one overriding the one in /etc right?
[07:19] <bob2> right...
[07:20] <maximaus> TenPlus1, you'll have to create the /usr/lib/win32 directory as root btw: sudo mkdir /usr/lib/win32
[07:20] <VirtualDarKness> bob2, thanks
[07:20] <maximaus> or you can just keep the codecs locally and import them using the prefereces in Totem.
[07:23] <Gargamel> smurfix, The Pope?  Come on, what, are you full of anti-Catholic hate?
[07:24] <smurfix> Gargamel: Just look at some of their statements WRT AIDS and condoms. :-(
[07:24] <Gargamel> you're scary
[07:24] <smurfix> *preen*
[07:25] <maximaus> would somebody kick Gargamel and smurfix please?
[07:26] <smurfix> Please don't. I'll shut up.
[07:26] <TenPlus1> I can't seem to find an xvid/divx codec binary for Ubuntu that I don't have to compile... any suggestions ?
[07:27] <no0tic> can I compile a "vanilla" kernel on ubunut without problems?
[07:29] <sri_> do people have problems with gnome not showing usb disks?
[07:29] <maximaus> TenPlus1,  read this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:29] <sri_> er rather flash readers with flash cards
[07:30] <maximaus> bottom of page
[07:30] <sri_> I mean, if I boot with a flash drive in the reader, it shows an icon for it, but once I unmount and then remove the disk it wont come back
[07:30] <kent> TenPlus1, I just added the restricted section to synaptic and installed totem-xine and w32codecs.  (its documented on the page you got recently above)
[07:30] <RvS> Does anyone know the difference between the installation packages? I have an AMD K6-2, should I just use the AMD64-installation?
[07:30] <sri_> it mounts the flash disk fine though, and I even get project utopia asking me whther I want to import pics or something.
[07:32] <no0tic> RvS: AMD64-installation is for AMD 64 bit processors
[07:32] <RvS> i thought so yes
[07:32] <RvS> so what does that mean
[07:32] <kent> how come that the wikipage about restricted codecs etc, now recomends to install repositories outside of Ubuntu? Earlier i think it said to add "restricted" to apt and install it from there..  that seems like better than to hope for other people to do the work :(
[07:32] <no0tic> RvS: AMD k6 is not 64 bit
[07:32] <RvS> i understand, so i can't use ubuntu?
[07:32] <randabis-wireles> lol
[07:33] <no0tic> RvS: you have to use 386 installation disc
[07:33] <RvS> ok, thanks
[07:33] <no0tic> RvS: and then switch to a k6 kernel if it exists
[07:33] <RvS> how do i switch?
[07:34] <no0tic> RvS: once installed sudo apt-get install linux-image-k6 (if it exists...)
[07:35] <no0tic> RvS: I have a k7 cpu and do the same (replacing k6 with k7 :) )
[07:35] <kent> RvS, but realy, you wont notice much difference when installing that.
[07:35] <no0tic> RvS: don't mind, it doesn't exist for k6...
[07:36] <RvS> ok, thanks anyway
[07:36] <RvS> i'll try a bit now, bye
[07:38] <TenPlus1> does anyone know where to find xvid/divx codecs for Ubuntu ?
[07:39] <no0tic> TenPlus1: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:39] <TenPlus1> thx
[07:41] <zerok> hi :-)
[07:43] <netsniper> can someone tell me how to enable encrypted DVD playback for warty?  I don't see libdvdcss in Synaptic...
[07:43] <HauntedUnix> How can I update my menus? 8)
[07:43] <bob2> netsniper: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[07:43] <bob2> HauntedUnix: applications:/// in nautilus
[07:44] <HauntedUnix> Thank you, bob2 :)
[07:45] <TenPlus1> I have an xvid .deb file, how do I install ?
[07:45] <HauntedUnix> bob2: Will that update my gnome menus, though?
[07:45] <bob2> that's how you edit the gnome menus
[07:45] <bob2> TenPlus1: sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[07:45] <TenPlus1> thx
[07:45] <netsniper> HauntedUnix, everything is a file in unix :-)
[07:46] <zerok> HauntedUnix, you will perhaps have to restart gnome-panel
[07:46] <HauntedUnix> bob2: I just installed a package with apt, in Mandrake, whenone installs something, you gotta "update-menus" to ensure it'll populate, It's listed in nautlius applications:///, but not in the Applications menu
[07:46] <HauntedUnix> Ah - gotta restart it, thanks.
[07:46] <HauntedUnix> netsniper: :P
[07:46] <no0tic> HauntedUnix: I know you
[07:46] <pisuke> hi
[07:46] <HauntedUnix> no0tic: You do :)
[07:46] <no0tic> HauntedUnix: from #mandrake :)
[07:46] <HauntedUnix> Yeah, hiya ;)
[07:46] <no0tic> HauntedUnix: switched to ubuntu?
[07:47] <HauntedUnix> Not quite. giving it a try
[07:48] <no0tic> anyone knows how to patch the kernel with the suspend to disk or software-suspend patch and if does it really work?
[07:48] <netsniper> bob2, do i just need to add the restricted keyword to the repositories?
[07:48] <no0tic> HauntedUnix: good try then
[07:48] <HauntedUnix> Sorry to keep asking questions, but what is the Ubuntu equivilent of rc-update or chkconfig? (Adds to runlevel)
[07:48] <bob2> netsniper: no, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:49] <bob2> HauntedUnix: when you install somethine, it runs.
[07:49] <no0tic> HauntedUnix: afaik nothing :(
[07:49] <netsniper> bob2, so how do i play encrypted dvds?
[07:49] <zerok> no0tic, the drivers for it shold already be in the newer sources on kernel.org so you shouldn't have to patch. I tried suspend to disc this summer but it didn't really work back then ;-)
[07:49] <no0tic> HauntedUnix: you havo to manage with /etc/rcX.d files
[07:49] <HauntedUnix> Thanks.
[07:49] <bob2> HauntedUnix: if you don't want it to, don't install it.  or rm the S linke from /etc/rc2.d.  or use update-rc.d  or rcconf or sysv-rc-config.
[07:49] <netsniper> bob2, that guide i have already read and didnt seema anything to so with encrypted dvds
[07:49] <zerok> reminds me that i have to write a small iptables init script later on ....
[07:50] <bob2> netsniper: read it again
[07:50] <bob2> zerok: no, /usr/share/doc/iptables/READMe.Debian
[07:50] <no0tic> zerok: can I compile a 2.6.10 kernel with the 2.6.8.1 configuration?
[07:50] <netsniper> bob2, i did!
[07:51] <bob2> netsniper: well, it explains it, unless some idiot broke the page
[07:51] <zerok> no0tic, i have never tried to compile or install a normal kernel on debian before. but i think 2.6.10 includes many many changes, so i would write a new .config
[07:51] <netsniper> bob2, oh you mean the new link - because that old link has nothing to do with dvd, only package management
[07:51] <Agrajag> no0tic: make oldconfig
[07:51] <zerok> bob2, no writing for me? :-((( :-) tnx :-)
[07:51] <bob2> netsniper: yes
[07:51] <gustavor> it there a way to install ubuntu booting from a floppy disk that connects to an nfs server containing the images?
[07:51] <netsniper> :-)
[07:51] <HauntedUnix> bob2: so there's no 'nice' way to edit what runs on startup, just delete? Ah well - thanks anyway
[07:51] <bob2> zerok: I don't know why you want a new kernel, so I don't know what to say
[07:52] <bob2> HauntedUnix: erm?  the last 3 things I suggested all are 'nice' ways.
[07:52] <bob2> HauntedUnix: but all any frontend does is run rm o nthe S symlink in rc2.d
[07:52] <zerok> bob2, i don't want a new kernel. no0tic wanted one :-)
[07:52] <HauntedUnix> Oh, just got that 8)
[07:52] <HauntedUnix> eterm was half hanging off the window, thanks.
[07:53] <bob2> no0tic: the hoary kernel already has it, as does mjg59's magic one
[07:53] <pisuke> We've installed ubuntu in a dual AMD64 machine. And programs runing out of /usr/bin and /usr/lib can't find the libs. It doesn't happens with ubuntu32. anyone can help us?
[07:54] <dasmi> Anyone know how to right-click in Ubuntu, when using an iBook with just one mouse button?
[07:55] <no0tic> bob2: ok I will wait April
[07:55] <reisio> dasmi: could make a keyboard shortcut
[08:03] <alaak> hi
[08:03] <bob2> no0tic: you can install either of them on warty
[08:03] <reisio> dasmi: if you have a windows-loving keyboard, it might have the context button next to right CTRL
[08:03] <dasmi> it's an iBOOK.
[08:03] <reisio> oh lol right
[08:03] <dasmi> is there a default in Ubuntu PPC is what I want to know.  I've tried the obvious, and can't seem to find it
[08:03] <reisio> would you prefer a mouse or keyboard shortcut?
[08:03] <dasmi> perhaps something like F4-click
[08:03] <reisio> try Computer > Desktop Preferences > Keyboard Shortcuts
[08:03] <dasmi> lol, just found it. It's F12
[08:03] <reisio> gj :p
[08:03] <bob2> and f11
[08:03] <dasmi> F11 seems like middle click
[08:03] <no0tic> bob2: tell me how please :) and if I can fall into many problems doing that (hoary kernel onto warty)
[08:03] <bob2> no0tic: wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting
[08:03] <bob2> dasmi: yes
[08:03] <dasmi> ah now it's perfect.
[08:03] <dasmi> I've got everything on one taskbar on the bottom, like God intended :)
[08:03] <reisio> heh
[08:03] <no0tic> bob2: "It may eat your disks." what does it mean? :/
[08:03] <reisio> I kind of like the top bottom taskbar, though it does take a little getting used to
[08:03] <bob2> no0tic: that you get to keep both pieces in the very unlikely event that it breaks
[08:03] <no0tic> bob2: it can break my hw?
[08:03] <bob2> not likely
[08:04] <Rene_S> Since when has God used Windows ?
[08:04] <Rene_S> He has always used Gnome
[08:04] <Rene_S> :)
[08:05] <dasmi> I hate the two bar style.
[08:05] <dasmi> One taskbar only please.
[08:06] <Rene_S> To each there own
[08:06] <Rene_S> :)
[08:06] <dasmi> Blah blah. i'm right :P
[08:06] <klaym> can't it be fixed to one bar only via a theme or something?
[08:06] <dasmi> I just dleeted the top one, and added what I need to the bottom
[08:06] <Rene_S> yes dasmi if its working for you, then you are right
[08:08] <klaym> are there some major advantages with gnome when compared to KDE? on performance, etc
[08:09] <Rene_S> Im my experience I find gnome to be a tad speedier
[08:09] <dasmi> KDE is too cluttered for me.
[08:09] <Rene_S> and uses less resources on its face
[08:09] <klaym> ok. KDE looks better though, as default
[08:10] <Rene_S> But as far as one being better than the other I dont really think so, Its just whatever you wanna use
[08:10] <Cloudchaser> hey what do i need to be able to view a .jsp web page?
[08:10] <Cloudchaser> for firefox
[08:10] <Rene_S> jsp ?
[08:10] <Rene_S> havent come across that one
[08:10] <Cloudchaser> hehe me either
[08:11] <Cloudchaser> i looked it up
[08:11] <dasmi> I actually prefer xfce4 to GNOME and KDE
[08:11] <Cloudchaser> its a "java server page"
[08:11] <Cloudchaser> i have java installed
[08:11] <Rene_S> oh
[08:11] <klaym> dasmi: do you run it on ubuntu?
[08:11] <dasmi> not yet. I'm still on GNOME.
[08:11] <Rene_S> have you enabled java in firefox
[08:11] <Cloudchaser> yes
[08:11] <Rene_S> what page is it ?
[08:11] <klaym> ok
[08:11] <Rene_S> url
[08:12] <Cloudchaser> its a college web page i'll post url
[08:12] <Cloudchaser> http://www.broward.edu/ext/ProgramCareerPaths.jsp
[08:13] <Rene_S> i see its not working for me either, wonder if its on there end
[08:13] <Cloudchaser> i'll try it on my husband's pc to see
[08:13] <Cloudchaser> he uses the unmentionable :P
[08:14] <mz2> hmm
[08:14] <randabis> laptop is compiling a new kernel
[08:14] <randabis> should take a few years :p
[08:14] <mz2> i bought this samsung scx-4100 mfp printer combo thing, and it doesn't quite work. i installed the driver and tried the gnome's cups setup tool
[08:15] <Cloudchaser> nope it seems to be broken there too
[08:15] <Cloudchaser> thanks for looking rene
[08:15] <netsniper> when trying to install mplayer-k7, it synaptic tells me that it cannot be installed, same for mplayer-586 etc...
[08:16] <netsniper> i am following directions from here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:16] <mz2> it says it's "ready" but whatever i try to send to it is just not put in the job queue
[08:17] <Rene_S> np
[08:17] <mz2> also, i get this when trying to run the configuration gui that comes on the linux driver cd "./Configurator: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file:" and it gives the same error message when trying to print straight to lpr instead of using cups
[08:17] <Rene_S> the other pages on the site seem ok
[08:20] <mz2> i have installed the libstdc++6 package and still does the same thing
[08:20] <Tomcat_> Does anybody know how to turn on wireless leds on a laptop?
[08:22] <viinic> hey... why i can`t open synaptic?
[08:23] <no0tic> what package gives me kernel-k7 sources?
[08:23] <LostMonk> how long from the time i put myself on the mailing list to get an ubuntu cd should it take for me to get it?
[08:24] <Tomcat_> no0tic: linux-source-2.6.8.1 <--- I think sources are the same for all i386 archs.
[08:24] <Tomcat_> LostMonk: Many weeks.
[08:24] <LostMonk> hehe
[08:24] <LostMonk> its been like 3-4 thats whay i was wondering
[08:24] <mz2> hmm, it seems like the libstdc++6 provided with the warty repository is not new enough
[08:25] <Tomcat_> LostMonk: Might be longer... I don't know if ours are here already, and they were ordered in November.
[08:25] <LostMonk> ahh
[08:25] <LostMonk> cool
[08:25] <LostMonk> i had mepis on , and was having isasues
[08:25] <Tomcat_> LostMonk: iirc yours *should* come in the second month
[08:25] <no0tic> Tomcat_: tnx
[08:26] <kosmonautti> What's the main difference between amd64-generic and amd64-k8 kernels?
[08:34] <billytwowilly> is it normal for 2.6.10 to not boot at all?
[08:34] <Rene_S> wouldnt be much of a kernel then
[08:34] <kosmonautti> And why is hotplug subsystem randomly hanging my system during boot?
[08:34] <kosmonautti> Sometimes it boots and then stops working..
[08:34] <neofeed> kosmonautti, maybe it doesn't like everything you hot plug into it?
[08:34] <Vaportrail> kosmonautti: maybe weird question, but which mouse do you have?
[08:36] <kosmonautti> Vaportrail: Logitech MX510
[08:36] <smurfix> kosmonautti: I have that intermittently. Here it's an USB problem (flaky hub).
[08:36] <smurfix> Unplugging the hub until the box is finished booting "fixes" it.
[08:36] <Vaportrail> kosmonautti: usb 2.0 devices?
[08:36] <broodster> Got a quick question
[08:36] <broodster> when i start grub
[08:36] <broodster> i got like 12 ubuntus
[08:37] <kosmonautti> smurfix: Could using a ps/2 adaptor with MX510 fix my problem?
[08:37] <smurfix> does it boot if you nplug the mouse while booting? Is it plugged into the system, or a hub?
[08:38] <broodster> title		Ubuntu, kernel
[08:38] <kosmonautti> it's plugged into the system
[08:38] <broodster> title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.8.1-4-amd64-generic
[08:38] <broodster> title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic
[08:38] <broodster> which one am i meant to use
[08:38] <kosmonautti> hit the "Ubuntu, kernel"
[08:38] <Vaportrail> kosmonautti: is your mouse your only usb device?
[08:38] <broodster> you definate
[08:38] <vivekvc> I get this error message when i use fetchmail
[08:38] <broodster> because they all dont load up the same kernal
[08:38] <vivekvc> vivek@wisdom:~ $ fetchmail
[08:38] <vivekvc> Enter password for cherry@asianetindia.com@202.88.231.5:
[08:38] <vivekvc> POP3 connection to 202.88.231.5 failed: Connection refused
[08:38] <vivekvc> fetchmail: Query status=2 (SOCKET)
[08:39] <kosmonautti> Vaportrail: Well, my monitor(Samsung Syncmaster 959NF) uses one usb port
[08:39] <Vaportrail> kosmonautti but only its hub? or not?
[08:40] <kosmonautti> Vaportrail: not a hub
[08:40] <Vaportrail> k
[08:40] <kosmonautti> Vaportrail: My network card doesn't show up though :/
[08:40] <kosmonautti> Vaportrail: It works, but when the 'hang' happens, my routers light ain't lightened up
[08:40] <Gargamel> billytwowilly, What do you mean by "not boot at all"?
[08:41] <smurfix> vivekvc: ask asianetonline.net which system to use -- either that, or they have a problem
[08:41] <kosmonautti> Vaportrail: But, when I choose the GENERIC kernel it doesn't seem to mess up :P
[08:41] <smurfix> (202.88.231.5 == mail.asianetonline.net)
[08:41] <billytwowilly> Gargamel, nothing comes up. it just freezes. No "looking for ext3" or anything like that.
[08:41] <pybe-lappy> was just watching a dvd decided i didnt want to watch it put another in and now have no sound from totem-xine and this in log/messages semaphore is not ready for register 0x54
[08:42] <Vaportrail> kosmonautti: i ve no idea, the only usb-mouse question was, because I own a usb2.0 mouse that made probs with it
[08:43] <vivekvc> smurfix: they have a problem, i figured it out now :)
[08:43] <kosmonautti> Vaportrail: Well, i guess mx510 is a usb2.0 because it's quite new
[08:43] <Vaportrail> kosmonautti i guess it isn't, but wait a sec
[08:43] <kosmonautti> k
[08:43] <Gargamel> billytwowilly, don't know...
[08:44] <Vaportrail> kosmonautti: it isn't, as i know mine is the only usb 2.0 mouse in the world :)
[08:45] <kosmonautti> Vaportrail: Ok :D
[08:48] <kosmonautti> So, k8 kernels are meant especially for Athlon64's ?
[08:49] <Vaportrail> that are the only k8s or?
[08:50] <chapter3> doing a fresh install, my hard drive isn't being detected during install by ubuntu
[08:50] <kosmonautti> chapter3: You do have a sata drive, don't you?
[08:50] <chapter3> Yes, it's SATA
[08:51] <kosmonautti> chapter3: And the chipset is?
[08:51] <chapter3> Which chipset?
[08:51] <chapter3> 915P
[08:51] <kosmonautti> chapter3: Intel?
[08:51] <chapter3> Ya
[08:52] <Gargamel> hdparm settings in /etc/hdparm.conf don't get applied since /etc/init.d/hdparm runs before symlinks like /dev/hdb are even setup
[08:52] <kosmonautti> chapter3: The thing is, some chipsets supporting sata are supported by Linux and some still lack support. I fear yours one of those, or has it worked on other linux distros?
[08:52] <broodster> how do i copy and paste nick names in Xchat?
[08:52] <Gargamel> only works for /dev/hda
[08:53] <chapter3> I dunno, fresh install, just upgraded my computer (new cpu/mobo)
[08:53] <chapter3> I can try Fedora or somethin I suppose :\
[08:53] <kosmonautti> chapter3: I fear your chipset is too new :P
[08:53] <runenes> *lisp-hackers*, I've installed cmucl and cl-sdl, but when I try to (load "example1.lisp") I get: "Package "SDL" not found." Any hints?
[08:53] <chapter3> Eeek
[08:53] <Vaportrail> kosmonautti: which kernelversion do u use?
[08:54] <chapter3> I wonder if the LiveCD has more updated stuffs, and is there anyway to boot using the LiveCD, then install a full install from there?
[08:55] <kosmonautti> Vaportrail: My understandig is that generic kernels are intended for all architectures supporting x86_64 and k8 kernels especially for amd athlon64s. I've used the k8 kernels.
[08:55] <Vaportrail> kosmonautti but which version of the k8 kernel?
[08:56] <kosmonautti> Vaportrail: 2.6.8.1-4-amd64-k8
[08:56] <Vaportrail> kosmonautti is there an older version?
[08:57] <kosmonautti> Vaportrail: On my machine? Seems to be 2.6.8.1-3 or something
[08:57] <Vaportrail> kosmonautti: did you test both?
[08:57] <kosmonautti> Vaportrail: not 100% sure :)
[08:57] <Gargamel> how can I set hdparm setting on /dev/hdb since /etc/hdparm.conf does not get applied (without doing it manually after every boot)?
[08:57] <Vaportrail> kosmonautti: give it a try? :P
[08:58] <kosmonautti> Vaportrail: Ok
[09:00] <kosmonautti> Vaportrail: The older one seems to be a generic kernel which boots without hanging
[09:01] <Vaportrail> kosmonautti: hmm, don't know that much about kernel-things now to be able to help you more
[09:01] <kosmonautti> k
[09:02] <mjr> hm, was the amd64 distribution compiled with gcc 3.3 or 3.4?
[09:02] <Gargamel> Does anybody enable dma on their CD/DVD drive?  How do you do it?
[09:03] <erik> hdparm -d1 /dev/<whatever>
[09:03] <mjr> hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc (assuming hdc is the drive), but that'll only take care of it for that session
[09:03] <kosmonautti> mjr: The Debian AMD64 port can be apt-get updated to gcc-3.4
[09:03] <erik> I believe the debian package "hwtools" sets up a hdparm-on-boot thingie
[09:03] <Gargamel> Yeah, but if I put that in /etc/hdparm.conf it doesn't get applied
[09:04] <Gargamel> /dev/hdb symlink does not exist at the time that /etc/init.d/hdparm is run at boot time
[09:04] <mjr> Gargamel, yes, I have that problem too; apparently, yes, that
[09:04] <erik> ugh, that bites
[09:04] <Gargamel> mjr, glad to know I'm not alone! :)
[09:04] <mjr> hm, I do believe I didn't get around to reporting that, will you? ;)
[09:05] <kosmonautti> Gargamel: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5271&highlight=k8
[09:05] <Gargamel> kosmonautti, let me check that...
[09:06] <mjr> that's not the same problem
[09:06] <Gargamel> kosmonautti, Yeah, I've read that before.  Unfortunately, it doens't address my problem.
[09:06] <kosmonautti> k
[09:06] <Gargamel> thanks, though
[09:06] <kosmonautti> np
[09:06] <Gargamel> The real problem is that /etc/init.d/hdparm is run before files such as /dev/hdb even exist
[09:07] <Gargamel> so settings in /etc/hdparm.conf don't get applied
[09:07] <mz2> aaargh where on earth will i find debian packages for libstdc++6.2.2
[09:08] <mz2> or newer
[09:08] <attaq> http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=153842332441dee53fc94c4&p=screenhttp://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=153842332441dee53fc94c4&p=screen
[09:08] <erik> shouldn't uh
[09:08] <erik> udev kick in before that?
[09:09] <Gargamel> erik, yeah
[09:11] <mz2> even hoary still has the same 6.0.2
[09:12] <mz2> that's not something i'd really want to just compile myself, is it?
[09:22] <punkrockguy318> can someone help me out with my printer?  It keeps cutting off the bottom of the testpage... i'm using hoary and i have a samsung ml-1740
[09:26] <[sLiM] > sup
[09:29] <broodster> I have to say
[09:29] <broodster> the new kernal update is alot more stable =D
[09:31] <broodster> Will firefox 1.0 work on Ubuntu running on a AMD64???
[09:33] <mjr> most likely
[09:33] <thoreauputic> broodster: try it and see
[09:35] <broodster> i cant figuir out how to install it
[09:38] <[sLiM] > I'm having trouble for the install cd too boot
[09:38] <[sLiM] > i burned the iso with k3b in SuSe
[09:38] <felipe> How do I make a root password??
[09:39] <Ensiferum> sudo passwd root
[09:39] <broodster> broodster@broodster:~/firefox-installer $ sh firefox-installer
[09:39] <broodster> ./firefox-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:39] <broodster> what am i doing wrong?
[09:40] <felipe> do you have gtk+2-2.4 ?
[09:41] <cardador> broodster: it isnt available in Synaptic?
[09:41] <seb128> broodster: what's your doing wrong ? You should install a package
[09:42] <xav_> hi
[09:43] <xav_> can I ask for apache2 help too ? it's a very basic thing
[09:43] <xav_> I'm wondering how I can use userdir again, just to share my home directory
[09:44] <broodster> yah
[09:44] <broodster> but the package i have
[09:44] <broodster> is 0.93
[09:44] <broodster> i want 1.0
[09:44] <xav_> I did it on my previous distrib, but it seems it has changed a bit
[09:44] <housetier> xav_ look at /etc/apache2/mod-available/ and /etc/apache2/mod-enabled/
[09:44] <xav_> I looked
[09:44] <xav_> it seems its enabled
[09:44] <housetier> xav_ you only need to symlink and restart
[09:44] <xav_> userdir is already in mod-enabled
[09:44] <xav_> I don't understand
[09:45] <housetier> then your ~/public_html/ will be available at http://your-server/~xav_/
[09:45] <housetier> (or whatever your linux user name is)
[09:45] <broodster> actually
[09:46] <broodster> in apache
[09:46] <broodster> ur www directory is /var/www
[09:46] <housetier> xav_ like here: http://stan.kicks-ass.net/~housetier/
[09:46] <housetier> what you see there is entirely "served" from /home/housetier/public_html/
[09:46] <bp> hi
[09:47] <bp> can i get help with ubuntu linux here?
[09:47] <xav_> You don't have permission to access /~xav on this server.
[09:47] <kezz> xav_, have you got the correct permissions
[09:47] <kezz> public_html should be 755
[09:48] <kezz> and /home/xav_ should be 711 i believe
[09:48] <thoreauputic> bp: no, ubuntu is off-topic in #ubuntu
[09:48] <bp> lol
[09:48] <thoreauputic> ;)
[09:48] <bp> :p
[09:49] <xav_> err no I messed up something in the config
[09:49] <bp> well, im looking for help setting up a scsi tape drive
[09:49] <xav_> first I started at localhost/xav instead of localhost/~xav
[09:49] <xav_> since it didn't work, I messed up the config, but I fixed it now. thanks
[09:50] <bp> msg nickserv register insdel
[09:51] <bp> haaaaa ooops
[09:51] <broodster> wow
[09:51] <broodster> ubuntu uses as much ram as windows
[09:51] <thoreauputic> bp: haha
[09:51] <broodster> Used memory: 422mb or 1000mb
[09:51] <Locutus1976> Is there a gnome equivalent for the app k3b?
[09:51] <broodster> *of
[09:51] <xav_> broodster, ubuntu only?
[09:51] <bp> i dont belive i did that lol thoreau
[09:51] <broodster> ?
[09:52] <broodster> well i dont got much on
[09:52] <thoreauputic> broodster: linux uses as much memory as possible
[09:52] <xav_> broodster, its specific to this ditrib?
[09:52] <broodster> hey im not saying its a bad thing it uses as much memory as windows
[09:52] <broodster> i was just stating the fact =D
[09:52] <thoreauputic> broodster: more efficient to have it in memory - also a lot of it is cache and buffers etc
[09:53] <seb128> broodster: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[09:53] <bp> i cant find anything about this in wiki, so is anyone able to help on scsi tape drives?
[09:53] <seb128> broodster: there is a backport of the 1.0 package for warty here
[09:53] <broodster> ah cool
[09:56] <bp> hello?
[09:57] <kezz> bp have you tried the forums
[09:57] <kezz> i haven't ever set up a tape drive so i'll be of no use
[09:57] <bp> thanks, ok will do
[09:57] <nestor_> hi all
[09:57] <bp> hey
[09:57] <broodster> hmm doesnt work
[09:58] <broodster> woah i just found out
[09:58] <broodster> firefox uses 100mb of ram
[09:59] <nestor_> I am trying to configure my tvcard, with no success, any plave to look at for help?
[09:59] <nestor_> s/plave/place/
[09:59] <nestor_> seems that there is no signal in my bt878 tv tuner
[10:01] <Ohmer> nestor_: I think I have the same problem :)
[10:01] <Ohmer> what's your tvtuner ?
[10:01] <ACID|net> hey all
[10:02] <bp> heya
[10:02] <bp> im trying to set up a scsi raid card so i can use my hp tape drive
[10:02] <bp> there doesnt seem to be much on the forums, anyone know what i can do?
[10:03] <nestor_> brooktree card coud it be?
[10:03] <kezz> bp, post to the mailing list
[10:03] <felipe> Hi... any one know how can I change root password?
[10:04] <sensebend> felipe, susu passwd root
[10:04] <sensebend> sudo
[10:04] <nestor_> Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture
[10:04] <Ohmer> I have an ATI TV Wonder and it doesn't work :/
[10:05] <sensebend> if you absolutely need root
[10:05] <sensebend> the way it is setup is best for end users by default
[10:05] <bp> ok, will do thanks
[10:05] <felipe> I just installed ubuntu and nowhere he asked for root password... so i dont know the root password :(
[10:05] <sensebend> felipe, it doesn't have one
[10:05] <kezz> felipe, there is no root account
[10:05] <sensebend> root tasks are executed through sudo
[10:05] <nestor_> well, mine is supposed to be supported, and I have made it work under knoppix, but I cannot find modconf in Ubuntu to cleck the modules
[10:05] <sensebend> and your user password
[10:06] <nestor_> check I mean
[10:06] <Ohmer> omg it work under the root user
[10:06] <felipe> sudo asks for a password
[10:07] <nestor_> anybody knows where to look at to fetch some info?
[10:07] <sensebend> felipe, that is your user password
[10:07] <Ohmer> why I cannot use the tuner without the root user ?
[10:07] <kezz> Ohmer, permissions
[10:07] <felipe> ty...
[10:07] <sensebend> Ohmer, permissions
[10:07] <kezz> Ohmer, is it a usb device?
[10:07] <Ohmer> nop, PCI
[10:08] <nestor_> OK, thanks anyway, bye
[10:08] <kezz> you need to find out what file it uses and chmod 666 it most likely
[10:09] <sensebend> Ohmer, most important thing about UNIX and UNIX like operating systems is understanding that everything is a fiel
[10:09] <sensebend> file
[10:09] <sensebend> including hardware
[10:09] <sensebend> as weird as that sounds
[10:10] <Ohmer> my /dev/video0 is rw-rw---- (root:video) and my user is member of the group video, should it work ?
[10:11] <tmartin> hey what should i use to develop java applicatoin on 64bit version of ubuntu?
[10:11] <broodster> oh tmartin
[10:11] <broodster> that's a headache ur approaching =D
[10:11] <tmartin> :)
[10:12] <broodster> but i got it to work
[10:12] <broodster> on amd64
[10:12] <tmartin> argh
[10:12] <tmartin> yea
[10:12] <tmartin> thats what i got
[10:12] <broodster> lemme see if i can remember
[10:12] <tmartin> howd you go about it
[10:12] <ric1> hello
[10:12] <broodster> you have to download the 1.5jre for amd64 if i can remember
[10:13] <ric1> can some1 tell me how to edit xf86config.4 ?
[10:13] <tmartin> mk
[10:13] <ric1> i have no permissions :(
[10:14] <ric1> ?
[10:14] <sipstar> ric1, sudo nano
[10:14] <Fator_Dee> sudo gedit/nano/whatever /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:14] <ric1> hm ok..
[10:14] <netmonk> anyone using ubuntu on ibook g3?
[10:14] <ric1> i tried it in gnome
[10:14] <ric1> cant get root
[10:14] <sipstar> open a terminal
[10:15] <ric1> ok i try !
[10:15] <Aron> hey all. I just loaded and am in some trouble
[10:15] <Aron> I kinda...er...lost my Windows partition *blush*
[10:16] <Aron> It's THERE...I just expected GRUB to find it and autoconfigure it. It didn't.
[10:16] <Aron> Anyone?
[10:16] <Cloudchaser> windows xp?
[10:16] <Aron> Yeah
[10:16] <Aron> I didn't touch its partition
[10:17] <Aron> I've done a couple Linux installs, only SuSE though, which autoconfigs
[10:17] <Aron> first things first how do I mount my Windows partition as a directory?
[10:17] <ric1> why cant i set up resolution 1024x768@75Hz???
[10:17] <Cloudchaser> here's a link for that
[10:17] <ric1> in gnome
[10:18] <Cloudchaser> http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#mountunmountfat
[10:18] <ric1> xf86config-4 is set to VertRefresh	43-75
[10:18] <Aron> Weird...I couldn't do it in SuSE either. X Server bug?
[10:18] <broodster> can i mount an ntfs?
[10:18] <Aron> ja
[10:18] <Aron> see link above, lol
[10:19] <Cloudchaser> yes but i don't think writing to ntfs is a good idea
[10:19] <Cloudchaser> unless thats changed recently
[10:19] <sensebend> mounting as read only is fine
[10:19] <sensebend> I'd avoid writing to it though
[10:19] <Cloudchaser> for the xp issue search the wiki and the ubuntu forums
[10:19] <Aron> yeah. One more issue - what's the default root password?
[10:20] <Cloudchaser> there's issues that i think can be resolved with that
[10:20] <Cloudchaser> no default root pw
[10:20] <sensebend> Aron, there isn't one
[10:20] <ric1> why cant i change the reolution/refreshrate in gnome accoding to the settings in Section "Screen" ?
[10:20] <Cloudchaser> sudo uses your own pw
[10:20] <Aron> Wow, I feel dumb right now. I hate being a Linux newbie :P
[10:20] <Corkasus> linux doesn't need a root password, right?
[10:20] <Cloudchaser> hehe s'ok
[10:20] <Cloudchaser> Corkasus, some distros do
[10:20] <Cloudchaser> ubuntu disables root account and uses sudo
[10:20] <Aron> The only distro I've used is SuSE and it does
[10:21] <Aron> and I see...ok
[10:21] <Aron> So far I really like Ubuntu and the Gnome environment
[10:21] <Aron> I just need to get my dual-boot working again so I can get all of my STUFF :P
[10:21] <Corkasus> ok.. I'm going to try and install Ubuntu on my ASUS laptop, I already tried Fedora and Knoppix and they didn't work, I'm thinking it's my mistake but I don't see what it could be
[10:21] <Aron> Asus laptop? I didn't even know they had proprietary boxes...
[10:21] <Aron> specs?
[10:22] <Cloudchaser> what happens Corkasus?
[10:22] <Corkasus> 1.5 GHz Intel Centrino, 40GB hard drive
[10:22] <Cloudchaser> when you try to install/
[10:22] <gustavor> can i install ubuntu from harddisk? boot from a floppy and specify the partition and dir where the iso is?
[10:22] <Corkasus> I get this message: "Reboot and select proper boot device OR insert boot media in selected boot device and press key"
[10:22] <broodster> how do i install divx?
[10:22] <Corkasus> when I use the BIOS to disable everything except the CD-Rom drive
[10:22] <sensebend> broodster, you'll need w32codecs
[10:22] <sensebend> we cannot ship it for legal reasons
[10:23] <Corkasus> I'm burning the CD-R's in 24x, is that OK?
[10:23] <scizzo> broodster: read the wiki about Restricted formats
[10:23] <scizzo> oops...
[10:23] <Cloudchaser> Aron, is the issue only that grub doesn't detect your windows xp?
[10:23] <broodster> soo... I can't install divx?
[10:23] <sensebend> you can
[10:23] <sensebend> just we don't provide it
[10:24] <broodster> how about xvid
[10:24] <broodster> because i can't get either to play
[10:24] <sensebend> you need w32codecs
[10:24] <sensebend> read the wiki
[10:24] <Cloudchaser> aron here's one link:   http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo/view?searchterm=windows%20xp
[10:24] <sensebend> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:25] <Aron> thanks all, Windows is live :D
[10:25] <Corkasus> I'm using a freeware program to burn the CD's, CDBurnerXP Pro 3..
[10:25] <Cloudchaser> cool. what did you do aron?
[10:25] <Aron> Mounted it. Haven't touched GRUB's config yet.
[10:25] <Aron> I have a feeling it's just not configured in there.
[10:25] <scizzo> broodster: have you looked at the wiki?
[10:26] <Cloudchaser> aron thats a possibility and you can fix that
[10:26] <Cloudchaser> there's info on the wiki for how to work with grub
[10:26] <Aron> Great.
[10:26] <Cloudchaser> i have rh9 partition grub never detected
[10:26] <Aron> interesting
[10:26] <Cloudchaser> but i haven't had any need for it so i haven't investigated
[10:27] <Cloudchaser> the more interesting thing is..i had to reinstall windows 2000 partition after i installed ubuntu and it didn't mess up my grub
[10:27] <Cloudchaser> thats the really interesting thing
[10:27] <Corkasus> I have no idea what I need to do to make this CD-R bootable.. what files need to go on it? Just the ISO? Does it need to be set as bootable? with a boot image?
[10:27] <Cloudchaser> usually installing windows second kills the grub
[10:28] <Corkasus> It seems like I've tried everything..
[10:28] <broodster> yah
[10:28] <broodster> is that meant to teach me how to install them
[10:28] <scizzo> broodster: there is a howto there also yes
[10:29] <scizzo> broodster: I followed it and it worked for me
[10:29] <HaRDaWaY> hi people!!!
[10:29] <Aron> well, back in a bit. Here goes nothing.
[10:29] <broodster> but i use amd64...
[10:29] <Corkasus> anyone? o.o
[10:29] <broodster> not i386
[10:29] <HaRDaWaY> i have one problem, i have kernel 2.6.10...and..when i m triying to install ati official drivers....with apt installation is ok, but..when i do "modprobe fglrx" :
[10:29] <HaRDaWaY> modprobe fglrx
[10:29] <HaRDaWaY> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter
[10:29] <HaRDaWaY> why? :(
[10:30] <scizzo> broodster: I do not think that would make much difference....the codecs are still going to be used the same way....
[10:30] <broodster> oh ok
[10:30] <scizzo> broodster: the arch is for the application that is going to use the codecs
[10:31] <zerok> HaRDaWaY, seems like the ati drivers are not compatible with 2.6.10
[10:31] <scizzo> keep reading please....if you follow it you will find out that there is a chance that someone has done a port for amd64 and that you can search for it
[10:31] <HaRDaWaY> ahh ok ok
[10:31] <HaRDaWaY> because i have 2.6.9 and drivers runs nice
[10:31] <HaRDaWaY> ok ok, thanks
[10:32] <zerok> HaRDaWaY, there are some patches available for 2.6.10 kernels. just google for "2.6.10 AND fglrx" :-)
[10:32] <scizzo> broodster: everything depends on what player you want to use
[10:32] <HaRDaWaY> ok thx
[10:33] <zerok> np
[10:34] <randabis-wireles> argh kernel compile error
[10:35] <randabis-wireles> sucks to be me
[10:35] <broodster> well
[10:35] <broodster> that page doesnt tell me anything bout installing divx or xvid o_O
[10:36] <Tomcat_> broodster: DivX = XviD when decoding
[10:36] <housetier> o_O
[10:36] <broodster> ok
[10:36] <broodster> well
[10:37] <broodster> how do i install it?
[10:37] <Tomcat_> broodster: What player do you want to use? xine or mplayer or something else?
[10:38] <broodster> hmm
[10:38] <broodster> xine?
[10:39] <tolle> broodster Are you using totem?
[10:39] <tolle> broodster: It is rather easy if that is what you use.
[10:40] <sensebend> broodster, install totem-xine
[10:41] <sensebend> after you have w32codecs
[10:41] <Tomcat_> Bad idea imho...
[10:41] <broodster> i just installed xine
[10:41] <Tomcat_> Installing totem-xine makes you incompatible to the standard distro... kinda.
[10:41] <Tomcat_> Better install xine-ui *imho*
[10:41] <sensebend> I use mplayer from hoary
[10:41] <sensebend> and xine-ui
[10:42] <Tomcat_> Usually you only need to install xine-ui from universe or multiverse, then you already got DivX/XviD and MP3.
[10:42] <sensebend> they both have good support for subtitles
[10:42] <broodster> okay well i installed xine so now what?
[10:42] <Tomcat_> broodster: xine-ui?
[10:42] <Tomcat_> broodster: Then try to play something with it...
[10:43] <broodster> oh wait
[10:43] <broodster> it works
[10:43] <broodster> cool
[10:43] <sikon> what is the command to execute the updater?
[10:43] <broodster> Thanks alot guys
[10:43] <Tomcat_> sikon: What updater? synaptics?
[10:43] <sikon> the one that if run at the installation
[10:43] <Tomcat_> broodster: For more codecs, install w32codecs from marillat, for commercial DVDs install libdvdcss
[10:44] <ric1> can someone tell me how to play mpeg files?
[10:45] <ric1> with totem i get error
[10:45] <Tomcat_> sikon: I think you want "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[10:46] <sikon> corret
[10:46] <sikon> correct**
[10:46] <Tomcat_> sikon: But you can as well use the synaptics GUI, use reload, mark updates and apply there. :)
[10:46] <ric1> i think ubuntu is not so user friendly.....
[10:47] <sikon> Where is synaptics located?
[10:47] <ric1> if simple things like mpeg files not even workk.......
[10:47] <Tomcat_> sikon: Physically or what menu?
[10:47] <sikon> both
[10:47] <sikon> I found it
[10:47] <Tomcat_> ric1: Ubuntu is great though if you want a user-friendly system for experienced users, or for beginners with a good sysadmin. :)
[10:47] <sikon> nevermind
[10:48] <sikon> the name is all I needed thanks Tomcat_
[10:48] <neighborlee> can I tell ubuntu to automagically load a setup.sh file with 'sh' ,,if so where would it be done ? ;-)
[10:48] <ric1> tomcat: so i can better choose another distro? I have a bit experience with linux, but installing software etc. is very difficyult for me
[10:49] <netsniper> anyone know about a problem with the nvidia driver not working, but the nv driver working fine?  I get a black screen on bootup with nvidia driver...
[10:49] <coulix> installing sw with debian is much easier than anything else
[10:49] <jkka> just installed 2.6.10+nvidia6681 from hoary, otherwise using warty+bp, seems working nicely
[10:49] <netsniper> warty im using
[10:49] <netsniper> bp?
[10:49] <ric1> but i mean insatlling *.sh files... no permissions etc... :(
[10:49] <jkka> backports
[10:49] <Tomcat_> ric1: SuSE maybe, but that's not a good choice imho. But it is more user friendly.
[10:49] <netsniper> what are backports?
[10:50] <Tomcat_> coulix: Not if you're thinking windows-easy :o
[10:50] <jkka> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=46
[10:50] <Tomcat_> ric1: Why don't you use the package management? You don't need to handle .sh files...
[10:51] <ric1> for example i tried installing quake3 demo
[10:51] <netsniper> on this widescreen laptop i seem to also have issues when using the nv driver, like switching to the terminals with ctrl-alt-fx gives garbled output on screen (refresh probs?)
[10:51] <ric1> it was a hell of a job m tried everything but nothing works
[10:51] <neighborlee> ric1, I just want my lokigames to autostart like suse does it..;-)not a big deal but a nice option..I can do it now by right click in nautilus and telling it to use 'sh' but that ugly
[10:51] <netsniper> this is not strictly a ubuntu prob, as it occurred in gentoo as well, but went away after upgrading to nvidia
[10:51] <neofeed> broodster, linux uses more ram than windows does. because it useses every bit of your resources to gain speed :P
[10:51] <Tomcat_> ric1: What were the Ubuntu problems there? If the installer of the Quake3 demo is bad you can't blame the distro :)
[10:52] <coulix> check opengl with glxgears need a score > 1000, then instal the linux version or the win version with cedega
[10:52] <neofeed> ... oops I'm outdated
[10:52] <alka_trash> hey all
[10:52] <neighborlee> netsniper, did you run the nvidia enable command after installilng nvidia..thats all you have to do and then ctrl-alt-backspace
[10:52] <netsniper> neighborlee, you mean nvidia-cfg-enable ?
[10:53] <netsniper> yes, but it faisl - and tells me to just add "nvidia" to the driver portion in xf86
[10:53] <neighborlee> netsniper, not sure of entire command but its something like that yes..its on the ubuntu wiki somewhere
[10:53] <neighborlee> netsniper, or starter page I forget where
[10:57] <Corkasus> I'm about to try burning Ubuntu to a CD-R.. should I tone it down from 24X just to be safe?
[10:57] <netsniper> no, crank it up to 72x
[10:58] <netsniper> it will burn faster and be more fun :-)
[10:58] <kezz> or use a match it responds well to fire
[10:58] <Corkasus> only goes up to 24x :(
[10:58] <netsniper> if you want to be safe, burn no higher than 1x
[10:59] <netsniper> for practical purposes, the limit should be 16x
[10:59] <Corkasus> Okay.. I ask because I've already wasted 7 CD-R's on Knoppix or Fedora installs that failed, and I don't know why they failed..
[10:59] <netsniper> that should be okay to avoid those damn CAV/CLV speed increases
[10:59] <chapter3> is there a horay installation disc available?
[10:59] <coulix> any name for a tool with allow to dump a partition to a file like ghost does ? i would like to save my well set up ubuntu
[10:59] <kezz> chapter3, http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org
[10:59] <ogra> Corkasus: it is safe to burn at 8x
[10:59] <netsniper> Corkasus, you burning on a laptop burner?
[11:00] <ferris_> Corkasus, it is more than likely because you burned them at a high rate
[11:00] <kezz> coulix, partitionimage
[11:00] <Corkasus> yes.. it's an ASUS external combo drive which connects by USB
[11:00] <netsniper> all laptop burners seem to suck - since they are not Plextor
[11:00] <chapter3> kezz: ty :)
[11:00] <Corkasus> I'll compromise and set it at 8x
[11:00] <netsniper> can someone tell me why this won'
[11:00] <netsniper> work
[11:00] <netsniper> sudo md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
[11:00] <netsniper> ives permission denied error
[11:01] <Corkasus> then I'll know if that's the problem, or the BIOS
[11:01] <ogra> netsniper: man tee
[11:01] <netsniper> Corkasus, upgrade your firmware
[11:01] <kezz> netsniper, do you have +r on that file in /var?
[11:01] <kezz> sorry _w
[11:01] <kezz> +w
[11:02] <kezz> its not set to sumthing silly like 600 or summat
[11:02] <ogra> netsniper: the ridrect doesnt work this way with sudo.... i was trapped several times with echo "blah" > /bal/bla already ;)
[11:02] <giard> just curious: there used to be hoary test cds available, but I haven't been able to remember where I got my last one
[11:02] <giard> anyone want to refresh my memory?
[11:02] <Corkasus> netsniper: I don't know what firmware is?
[11:02] <kezz> giard, http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org
[11:02] <dcstimm> hey guys, is preemptive kernel a good idea with a SMP cpu system? Dual Xeon 3ghz?
[11:02] <netsniper> ogra, i am only following the directions - but they are wrong then
[11:03] <giard> kezz:  thanks
[11:03] <ogra> netsniper: md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | sudo tee /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
[11:03] <netsniper> Corkasus, its the low level drive controlling program
[11:03] <ogra> netsniper: from where ?
[11:04] <netsniper> ogra, ok that seemed to work
[11:04] <dcstimm> hey guys, is preemptive kernel a good idea with a SMP cpu system? Dual Xeon 3ghz?
[11:04] <netsniper> ogra, you should update it here http://www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu/#installnvidiadriver
[11:05] <netsniper> this is UNOFFICIAL guids though
[11:05] <Corkasus> Oh, should I burn it as Joliet, ISO Level 1, or ISO Level 2?
[11:05] <ogra> netsniper: so there rather should be a official one ;)
[11:05] <netsniper> ogra, link to official one?
[11:05] <netsniper> im new...
[11:05] <ogra> netsniper: btw, look in the header of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[11:06] <ogra> netsniper: i said there should be one....but there is none on tis particular task yet ;)
[11:06] <dcstimm> hey guys, is preemptive kernel a good idea with a SMP cpu system? Dual Xeon 3ghz?
[11:06] <netsniper> ogra, netsniper@ubuntu-netlap:~ $ sudo nvidia-glx-config enable Password: Error: your XFree86 configuration has been altered. This script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this not correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following command: sudo md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum otherwise edit manually /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to change the Driver section from nv to nvid
[11:06] <netsniper> ia.
[11:07] <netsniper> srry
[11:07] <Corkasus> again, pls - Joliet, ISO Level 1, or ISO Level 2?
[11:08] <ogra> netsniper: argh.... would you report a bug at bugzilla.ubuntu.com so that can be corrected for hoary ?
[11:08] <Quest-Master> Corkasus: Whichever was the default one at first
[11:08] <netsniper> ogra, ok
[11:08] <Corkasus> the default in this program is always Joliet
[11:08] <ogra> thanks :)
[11:08] <netsniper> ogra, why does certificate say unable to identify
[11:09] <netsniper> is the cert valid?
[11:09] <ogra> oh, does it ?
[11:09] <Corkasus> I don't think it detects what format the ISO is in
[11:09] <netsniper> yea, in firefox
[11:09] <dcstimm> hey guys, is preemptive kernel a good idea with a SMP cpu system? Dual Xeon 3ghz?
[11:09] <kezz> dcstimm, i don't think anybody knows
[11:09] <ogra> dunno, hwen i signed in it was valid....
[11:09] <sikon> how do I get SMB support?
[11:09] <Quest-Master> Corkasus: Use Juliet then
[11:10] <netsniper> Quest-Master, NO JOLIET!!
[11:10] <netsniper> use UDF
[11:10] <netsniper> especially make sure you have rock ridge extensions
[11:11] <Corkasus> this program doesn't have rock ridge or UDF, just Joliet and the two ISO standards
[11:12] <ogra> Corkasus: there shouldnt be a question about the format if you burn an image, did you use the burn image function of your program ?
[11:12] <mz2> i should have a device file called /dev/dsp when i've got a sound card, right?
[11:13] <Corkasus> ...It doesn't give me the option. I wonder if this thing is doing what it's supposed to at all..
[11:13] <netsniper> Corkasus, try k3b, or if in windows, try nero
[11:13] <giard> where should programmers interested in helping with the Ubuntu project go?
[11:14] <Corkasus> I don't want to buy Nero
[11:14] <netsniper> Corkasus, then download cdrecord
[11:14] <netsniper> and then use the command line options to burn your disc
[11:14] <kent> has any one found working debs for coaster? i know its in an early stage, but i want to test it..
[11:15] <netsniper> i've done it in windows under cygwin
[11:15] <netsniper> cygwin + cdrecord = free
[11:15] <MartijnZ> Is There someone who can help me to install flash? Im a total newbie with linux...
[11:15] <maps73> hy, could hel me about to install the player for mpg file??
[11:15] <ogra> MartijnZ:
[11:15] <netsniper> sudo apt-get install mozilla-flash
[11:16] <atariboy`> netsniper: are you the netsniper from Sydney?
[11:16] <ogra> maps73
[11:16] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:16] <netsniper> dont think so, im the netsniper from 1995 (the original)
[11:16] <maps73> hy ogra, tell me
[11:16] <ogra> for mp3 and flash that is
[11:16] <ogra> maps73: seen the url ? MartijnZ too....
[11:17] <MartijnZ> Yes
[11:17] <atariboy`> netsniper: ah oki :) i knew one who was on #debian a few years back
[11:17] <ogra> go there
[11:17] <netsniper> MartijnZ, or try sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[11:17] <maps73> ogra, right so i must install ogg vorbis??
[11:17] <drspin> what's a good Dos Emulator that would have good video and sound support?
[11:17] <ogra> maps73: nope, ogg is there...you must install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:17] <kezz> drdos?
[11:18] <atariboy`> dosbox?
[11:18] <ogra> netsniper: there is no flashplugin-nonfree in ubuntu
[11:18] <ironwolf> are there issues with gnome-cups-manager with newest hoary?  It keeps crashing on me when I add a new SMB printer.  Anyone else seeing this?
[11:18] <ogra> netsniper: if you havent the multiverse enabled....
[11:18] <netsniper> ogra, i have it installed (might be under restricted)
[11:18] <netsniper> yea
[11:19] <ogra> netsniper: which is not in the sources by default ;)
[11:20] <maps73> ogra, right, i install gstreamer0.8-mad, but, where could i find the icon???? sorry, but i'm a newbie :-)
[11:21] <ironwolf> netsniper: was that yes to me?
[11:21] <ogra> maps73: your music player now plays mp3 files
[11:21] <ogra> maps73: from the multimedia menu...
[11:21] <maps73> ogra, ok, but i need to see the mpg file...
[11:22] <ogra> maps73: didnt you ask for mp3 ?
[11:22] <Tomcat_> He asked for mpg.
[11:22] <ogra> maps73: ahh, my bad,....
[11:23] <ogra> maps73: didnt the videoplayer (totem) play it ?
[11:23] <ogra> maps73: if not, install totem-xine this should work then
[11:23] <Tomcat_> Or xine-ui.
[11:25] <maps73> ok, i'm installing it. so this player will show also the windows media file?
[11:27] <gabaug> how does one set the locale for gnome in hoary?
[11:28] <broodster> could someone take a loot at my menu.lst for grub and see if i need all those???
[11:28] <broodster> http://219.78.247.151:213/menu.lst
[11:28] <heitormau> anyone playing dvd with totem??
[11:30] <_> hi
[11:30] <_> aln
[11:30] <Ribs> you call that a nick?!
[11:31] <_> hi ribs
[11:32] <irbdavid-ibm> i'm having problems with a ps/2 mouse - the buttons seem mapped all wrong and are constantly depressed
[11:32] <romulo> whats the default warty root pswd?
[11:33] <Ribs> there isn't one
[11:33] <Ribs> the root account is disabled by default
[11:33] <Ribs> use sudo and your password when asked for one
[11:33] <romulo> how i enable it?
[11:35] <gabaug> romulo: try doing `sudo passwd root` to reset the password and see if that works
[11:36] <romulo> ok i got it on the faq
[11:36] <romulo> sorry for the question, cya ;)
[11:38] <maps73> sorry, but when i try to open my favourite radio, I'm not able to listen becouse the it' windows media player. How could i resolve this problem?? thank you in advance
[11:39] <broodster> hey
[11:39] <Tomcat_> Is there any audio player that takes w32codecs?
[11:39] <Tomcat_> That would solve maps73' problem...
[11:39] <broodster> in windows xp, how do i mount my linux hd?
[11:39] <usual> broodster, can't
[11:39] <Tomcat_> broodster: Do a Google search for mount ext3 winxp? :)
[11:40] <broodster> it's not possible?
[11:40] <maps73> Tomcat_, hy...
[11:40] <Tomcat_> maps73: hy? :o
[11:41] <maps73> so, i would like listen the windows media file to listen my fovourite internet radio
[11:41] <crimsun> Tomcat_: "audio player?" well, there's 'mplayer' of course... :)
[11:41] <erik> hey, I installed Cedega in a 32bit chroot on ubuntu-64.  Whenever I try to run it:
[11:41] <erik> erik@sanchez:/media/cdrom $ DISPLAY=:0 cedega Installer.exe
[11:41] <erik> /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega//winex/bin/wine: can't exec 'Installer.exe': error=21
[11:42] <Tomcat_> broodster: http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/index.htm
[11:42] <erik> anyone here conquered that?
[11:43] <Tomcat_> Mh...
[11:43] <Tomcat_> maps73: You can try installing mplayer and w32codecs then.
[11:43] <Tomcat_> maps73: But generally, not having Windows Media stuff in Linux is a normal state.
[11:44] <maps73> Tomcat_, right, but could i install mplayer from synaptics manager??
[11:44] <Tomcat_> maps73: Sure.
[11:44] <broodster> Tomcat_: i install that program on windows right?
[11:44] <Vaportrail> maps73: did you do this: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[11:44] <Vaportrail> ?
[11:44] <jkelly> hi, i'm having a problem with another users permissions. i try to do sudo apt-get update for akelly the following command is as follows akelly is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported. What does this mean and how can i fix this problem?
[11:46] <jkelly> anyone know?
[11:46] <Tomcat_> jkelly: It's a normal problem... you have to do sudo from your user.
[11:46] <Tomcat_> jkelly: If you want to change to your user before doing sudo, do "su jkelly"
[11:47] <broodster> oh and 1 more question
[11:47] <Tomcat_> jkelly: Or "su - jkelly" if you need a login shell. :o
[11:47] <broodster> Is it safe to edit the permisions to my windows mount
[11:47] <jkelly> is there anyway i can fix this problem for the other users?
[11:47] <Tomcat_> broodster: It is a driver for Windows, so I guess yeah.
[11:47] <broodster> so i can store files on it with linux?
[11:47] <Tomcat_> jkelly: You can add him to /etc/sudoers... but remember that this is dangerous, as the user gains root access.
[11:48] <Tomcat_> broodster: I have never used this thing... it's the only thing I found with Google, and many people used it with success to read and write... for more than that you're on your own. :)
[11:48] <maps73> Vaportrail, ok, i readed..... now i'm installang mozilla-mplayer
[11:48] <jkelly> how can i let the user only have root access when doing a normal update?
[11:48] <broodster> no i mean
[11:48] <broodster> im on linux
[11:49] <broodster> would it be safe
[11:49] <broodster> to edit my windows mount permissions
[11:49] <broodster> so i can write to it
[11:49] <Vaportrail> maps73: the whole guide is very useful :)
[11:49] <Tomcat_> broodster: No, it's not safe.
[11:49] <broodster> ok
[11:49] <Tomcat_> broodster: Best case is using captive-ntfs, and I have no idea if that is safe.
[11:50] <broodster> thanks
[11:50] <Tomcat_> jkelly: Better create a script that does the update then... then set the script unreadable by anyone but root, and make it setuid root. Everybody who runs it will be root for the script then.
[11:50] <j^> anyone got acpi suspend working on a samsung Q20?
[11:51] <Tomcat_> jkelly: Still dangerous though, because the script might have exploits, or apt might have exploits, so users can run anything as root.
[11:51] <alka_trash> Digital Underground is playing tonight and non of my friends care to go, what is this world coming to?
[11:52] <Tomcat_> j^: Have a look at the Ubuntu Wiki page PMTesting... it has some good tests that you should definitely check if you want suspend to work on hoary :)
[11:53] <AlvaroBF> Hello!
[11:53] <Tomcat_> Hi AlvaroBF! :)
[11:53] <neighborlee> peeps how do I get nautilus to display tree view as default..i've checked prefs but not finding anything
[11:53] <AlvaroBF> I've got Ubuntu Hoary
[11:53] <jkelly> so how do you actually update safely? i've done it before with other users using sudo apt-get update.
[11:54] <maps73> Vaportrail, ok. now i install mplayer, but when i click in multimedia tray, it does'nt start. i see the icon in the button bar, but after 5 sec. dissapear.
[11:54] <AlvaroBF> And I want to install Bootsplash , but I can't install it
[11:54] <Tomcat_> jkelly: Only the admin should update... that's it. Letting the users update the system is dangerous.
[11:55] <jkelly> i don't get it, so doing sudo apt-get update is dangerous? but i thought that was the way to update your system?
[11:56] <neighborlee> jkelly, no that just updates your sources..;-)
[11:57] <scizzo> jkelly: aren't you actually wondering about sudo and su?
[11:58] <neighborlee> nm I got it.: nautilus --browser
[11:59] <jkelly> i was wondering why the sudo command would give me an error like this one: akelly is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[11:59] <erik> cause if you look in the sudoers file
[11:59] <erik> akelly's not in there :)
[11:59] <erik> /etc/sudoers is a file that lists who can do what with sudo
[11:59] <jkelly> so all i have to is put akelly in there?
[12:00] <jkelly> *to do