| Kamion | hm, that looks slightly more reasonable now | 12:12 |
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| amu | mdz: successfully builded images for powerpc,amd64 and i386 | 12:12 |
| lamont | Kamion: you want urls, eh> | 12:12 |
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| mdz | amu: by hand? | 12:13 |
| Kamion | mdz: give http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20050107/hoary-live-i386.iso a try | 12:13 |
| amu | mdz: by script | 12:13 |
| mdz | Kamion: can you make rsync:// work? | 12:14 |
| Kamion | it does | 12:14 |
| mdz | @ERROR: Unknown module 'daily-live' | 12:14 |
| Kamion | put /cdimage/ first | 12:14 |
| Kamion | but there's a maxconn limit :( | 12:14 |
| mdz | @ERROR: max connections (15) reached - try again later | 12:14 |
| mdz | gah | 12:14 |
| Kamion | you have an account on little, rsync over ssh :) | 12:15 |
| mdz | what's the local path? | 12:15 |
| Kamion | mdz: /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/www/full/daily-live/20050107 | 12:16 |
| lamont | ew. something bloated. | 12:16 |
| lamont | 637MB | 12:16 |
| lamont | Kamion: i386 is there | 12:16 |
| amu | lamont: amd64? | 12:17 |
| lamont | amu: building | 12:17 |
| Kamion | lamont: ok, but won't be able to do anything with it until tomorrow | 12:17 |
| amu | lamont: the amd64 image is 100mb bigger compared to i386 | 12:18 |
| amu | *** Error -5 compressing block 0! (compressed=0x7fbffff830, len=548682070016, uncompressed=0x526010, blocksize=65536) | 12:18 |
| amu | ./livecd.sh: line 130: 1630 Segmentation fault create_compressed_fs $IMG 65536 >livecd.cloop | 12:18 |
| Kamion | ok, I'm off for the night now ... | 12:18 |
| amu | Kamion: n8 | 12:19 |
| mdz | total size is 547250176 speedup is 81.06 | 12:19 |
| mdz | not bad | 12:19 |
| mdz | Kamion: night | 12:19 |
| mdz | amu: I have a quest for you | 12:19 |
| mdz | amu: we need to find out what is doing so much writing during startup on the live CD | 12:19 |
| mdz | eek | 12:20 |
| mdz | Kamion: it's broke | 12:20 |
| amu | mdz: i#ll look to it | 12:20 |
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| mdz | amu: it uses like 15M of snapshot space just to boot | 12:20 |
| mdz | Kamion: could not find kernel image: linux | 12:20 |
| amu | mdz: means memoryuseage is d-i + 15M ? | 12:21 |
| Kamion | mdz: did you explicitly type 'linux' at the boot prompt? | 12:21 |
| mdz | amu: dmsetup status /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot | 12:21 |
| mdz | Kamion: I tried both pressing enter and typing 'linux' | 12:22 |
| Kamion | bleh, ok, maybe isolinux defaults to linux or something | 12:22 |
| lamont | aum: note that the script has probably changed since you grabbed a copy... | 12:22 |
| mdz | what should the name be? | 12:22 |
| Kamion | it's probably broken, let me attempt to fix/rebuild | 12:22 |
| amu | mdz: which version we talking? Kamion's? your's? mine? | 12:23 |
| mdz | amu: they should all have the same characteristics | 12:24 |
| amu | lamont: ok, still same place? | 12:24 |
| mdz | amu: run dmsetup status /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot | 12:24 |
| lamont | amu: not quite yet... | 12:24 |
| Kamion | AARGH, MY CAPS LOCK OR SHIFT KEY OR SOMETHING IS STUCK | 12:24 |
| mdz | Kamion: if it's not trivial to fix, it can wait, don't lose sleep over it | 12:26 |
| Kamion | mdz: try 20050107.1, see how it goes | 12:26 |
| mdz | Kamion: same result | 12:27 |
| Kamion | erk, I was doing repeated >isolinux.cfg rather than >>isolinux.cfg | 12:28 |
| Kamion | 20050107.2 will happen in a moment and should fix that problem; in the meantime bed :) | 12:29 |
| Kamion | try that when it appears in a few minutes | 12:29 |
| Kamion | it's up | 12:30 |
| elmo | oh! mirnyy has space now; I can round-robin cdimage too | 12:31 |
| elmo | [<de-randomizing>that'll help with the rsync limits</>] | 12:31 |
| mdz | rsyncing | 12:32 |
| mdz | elmo: oh, the limit is for the sake of server resources (rather than bandwidth)? | 12:32 |
| mdz | Kamion: booting now | 12:32 |
| elmo | mdz: totally resources - 25 was hitting the box so hard, colin couldn't sync a sounder image | 12:33 |
| mdz | my word | 12:34 |
| mdz | somebody needs to fix rsync | 12:34 |
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| lamont | + create_compressed_fs livecd.fsimg 65536 | 12:38 |
| lamont | Opening input: File too large | 12:38 |
| lamont | Hrmpf. | 12:38 |
| lamont | mdz: so how do you feel about just making the file system an even maxint in size? | 12:38 |
| mdz | lamont: that's fine, but we ought to fix create_compressed_fs | 12:39 |
| mdz | should be trivial | 12:39 |
| lamont | yeah | 12:39 |
| lamont | elmo about? | 12:39 |
| mdz | Kamion: it's gotten as far as starting sysvinit; looks good, thanks | 12:40 |
| elmo | yeah | 12:40 |
| lamont | mdz: this pass, I'll just hardcode the size, then I'll fix cloop | 12:41 |
| mdz | lamont: can we quash that scary postfix inode warning? | 12:41 |
| lamont | mdz: paste it to me | 12:42 |
| mdz | can't paste from qemu, bu tit goes like this: | 12:42 |
| mdz | QUEUE FILES WERE RENAMED TO MATCH INODE NUMBERS OH MY GOD | 12:42 |
| mdz | THE GODDAMN SKY IS FALLING | 12:42 |
| lamont | this on livecd? | 12:42 |
| mdz | something like that | 12:42 |
| mdz | yes | 12:42 |
| lamont | there _shouldn't_ be any queue files... | 12:43 |
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| mdz | probably got some from debconf or whatever | 12:43 |
| sladen | daniels: on the X40 does s4_bios need a special partition creating? | 12:43 |
| mdz | also | 12:43 |
| mdz | lamont: sources.list still says 'echo' | 12:43 |
| mdz | oh, nm | 12:43 |
| mdz | this is the same image | 12:43 |
| lamont | 3 messages sent during the install. I'll make em go away | 12:45 |
| mdz | hmm, what would be the best way to stop cron.daily from running on the live CD, I wonder | 12:45 |
| mdz | as nice as it is to have an up-to-date locate db, it's not very convenient to have it start up soon after boot... | 12:45 |
| mdz | I suppose I should just not let it start up | 12:46 |
| mdz | lamont: hmm, /etc/init.d/dbus-1 is missing | 12:47 |
| mdz | lamont: are you keeping a list? | 12:48 |
| lamont | and mkinitrd? | 12:48 |
| lamont | and sbin/udevd | 12:49 |
| lamont | udevd is OK | 12:49 |
| lamont | is this in the latest image, or the one from lunch? | 12:49 |
| lamont | verified OK in the current image | 12:50 |
| lamont | diverts were kinda borked at lunch, like I said | 12:50 |
| lamont | DIVERTS="usr/sbin/mkinitrd usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d etc/init.d/dbus-1 sbin/udevd" | 12:51 |
| lamont | but udevd came in later, and invoke-rc.d apparently got better somehow... | 12:51 |
| lamont | any changes to /etc/kernel-img.conf? | 12:51 |
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| mdz | lamont: in both | 12:54 |
| mdz | colin used the same fs image from lunch to build the test CD | 12:55 |
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| lamont | if you want etc/cron.daily/man-db to go away, that can be arranged... | 12:58 |
| lamont | does it get ran at isntall time? | 12:59 |
| mdz | nah, if I just don't start anacron, it fixes all that | 01:00 |
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| mdz | cron suppresses the daily stuff when it sees anacron is installed | 01:00 |
| mdz | lamont: you know what would be nice | 01:01 |
| mdz | lamont: if at the end of the build, you ran cron.daily/man-db and cron.daily/slocate | 01:01 |
| mdz | brb, reboot | 01:01 |
| elmo | night all | 01:05 |
| lamont | night elmo | 01:06 |
| sivang | night elmo | 01:08 |
| ogra | night | 01:09 |
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| lamont | pitti around? | 01:25 |
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| mdz | gah, my panel is fucked | 01:27 |
| mdz | I have Blank Panel Syndrome | 01:27 |
| robertj | mdz: BPS | 01:27 |
| robertj | it's kinda refreshing though | 01:27 |
| robertj | minimalism is in | 01:27 |
| mdz | does anyone know the workaround for the panel-bug-o-day? | 01:28 |
| robertj | dunno, about to find out ;) | 01:28 |
| robertj | 1m40s remaining on my download | 01:29 |
| sladen | mdz: I found a reliable sudo pkill -u mdz | 01:29 |
| Keybuk | seb128: awake? | 01:29 |
| sladen | mdz: and log back in | 01:29 |
| sladen | mdz: there's a race in there somewhere, but I couldn't find it | 01:30 |
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| seb128 | Keybuk: yep | 01:30 |
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| Keybuk | seb128: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/nautilus-2.9.1_keybuk-places-bookmarks.patch | 01:30 |
| mdz | thanks | 01:31 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: cool, thanks | 01:31 |
| mdz | seb128: my mixer applet is showing the red crossed-out icon even when it is unmuted | 01:32 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: that's a bit late to read it now, but I'll try it tomorrow and let you know | 01:32 |
| seb128 | mdz: do you have a way to reproduce it ? | 01:32 |
| mdz | seb128: it is happening right now; I have never seen it before | 01:32 |
| mdz | seb128: I lowered the volume to zero and brought it back up, and now the icon is normal | 01:33 |
| lamont | mdz: etc/cron.daily/man-db is _scary_ | 01:33 |
| mdz | seb128: but when I mute, it still doesn't change | 01:33 |
| seb128 | how do you mute ? keybinding ? | 01:33 |
| mdz | context menu | 01:34 |
| seb128 | right, same bug here | 01:34 |
| mdz | seb128: the panel startup problem, is it #4794? | 01:36 |
| mdz | it just happened to me on the first login after a reboot, so no processes running | 01:36 |
| lamont | mdz: man-db starts background processes (why???), and that causes a race condition that I'm not going near. | 01:36 |
| seb128 | startup problem ? | 01:36 |
| seb128 | freeze you mean ? nautilus and blank panels ? | 01:36 |
| mdz | seb128: I logged in, and got empty panels | 01:36 |
| mdz | right | 01:36 |
| seb128 | yeah | 01:36 |
| seb128 | that's it | 01:36 |
| mdz | lamont: background processes? where? | 01:37 |
| seb128 | seems to be a deadlock in gnome-vfs-daemon | 01:37 |
| lamont | cat /etc/cron.daily/man-db | 01:37 |
| seb128 | I've not had it since mataro | 01:37 |
| mdz | lamont: I did | 01:37 |
| lamont | start-stop-daemon --startas mandb | 01:37 |
| lamont | etc | 01:37 |
| mdz | start-stop-daemon doesn't fork unless you give it -b | 01:37 |
| seb128 | I thought it was fixed with the hal support off in gnome-vfs, but apparently not :/ | 01:37 |
| lamont | oh. that's better then. | 01:37 |
| mdz | seb128: are you able to reproduce it? | 01:37 |
| seb128 | no | 01:37 |
| mdz | is there anything I can do? | 01:37 |
| seb128 | I've not had it since mataro | 01:38 |
| mdz | (if I see it again) | 01:38 |
| sladen | while we're on the subject; gnome-battery-applet blinking whilst charging is annoying and distracting | 01:38 |
| mirak | seb128: yes after a reboot | 01:38 |
| mirak | seb128: I just rebooted and it's happened | 01:38 |
| mirak | however it didn't happened5 days ago when I booted the computer | 01:39 |
| seb128 | rebuilt a non-stripped libgnomevfs2-common (yeah, the package split is borked, I wonder why a -common has a server part) | 01:39 |
| seb128 | and get a backtrace with symboles of the lock | 01:39 |
| seb128 | to compare with the previous one in #4794 | 01:40 |
| seb128 | which was with the hal support | 01:40 |
| mdz | are you planning to upload gnomevfs sometime soon? | 01:40 |
| mdz | if not, I will build it for debug now | 01:40 |
| seb128 | no, not in the next days | 01:40 |
| mdz | you could upload an unstripped version to the archive so that everyone can debug it :-) | 01:40 |
| seb128 | yeah, I want to fix that stupid "-common contains the server" stuff | 01:41 |
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| seb128 | -common should be an arch all, and the server should be in a -bin or with the lib | 01:42 |
| mdz | not with the lib | 01:42 |
| mdz | unless it's versioned with it? | 01:42 |
| seb128 | no | 01:43 |
| seb128 | it should be in a -bin in fact | 01:43 |
| seb128 | with the gnomevfs-ls/cat/info/copy/... | 01:43 |
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| lamont | seb? | 01:57 |
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| seb128 | lamont: include the full nickcname to highlight :p | 01:59 |
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| lamont | yeah, sorry | 02:01 |
| seb128 | mdz: you disagree with the place menu not working as a target to fix for Hoary ? | 02:02 |
| seb128 | (#5123) | 02:03 |
| amu | mdz: /usr/lib/prebaseconfig.d writes a lot and takes the long time .... | 02:03 |
| jdub | mdz: pong | 02:03 |
| seb128 | jdub: gpdf will probably get type3 fonts support in the next days (that works with evince and will be backported to gpdf), I think we should set it as the default pdf viewer for hoary :) | 02:05 |
| jdub | seb128: agree. | 02:05 |
| mdz | seb128: I assumed the submitter had set it | 02:06 |
| mdz | seb128: since it was also BLOCKER | 02:06 |
| mdz | jdub: status of adding upgrade-notifier to the default session? | 02:07 |
| mdz | amu: which bit? | 02:07 |
| seb128 | mdz: I've set both. Blocker is not a "has to be fixed" ? | 02:07 |
| seb128 | mdz: imho this one has to be fixed for hoary, having place not working sucks | 02:07 |
| mdz | seb128: blocker is WAIT DON'T RELEASE YET | 02:07 |
| mdz | seb128: I agree, it ought to be fixed | 02:07 |
| mdz | but I don't see much point in setting blocker severity on bugs when we are still far from release | 02:08 |
| seb128 | is blocker appropriate or not ? just to know for the next time :) | 02:08 |
| jdub | mdz: that's one for seb | 02:08 |
| mdz | seb128: does it make it easier for you to track your bugs? | 02:08 |
| seb128 | yep | 02:08 |
| mdz | if so, go ahead | 02:08 |
| seb128 | ok, thanks | 02:08 |
| mdz | often people file random bugs with severity=blocker, and they show up in my global reports | 02:08 |
| seb128 | yeah, I know :) | 02:09 |
| mdz | seb128: can you add upgrade-notifier to the default session? | 02:09 |
| seb128 | I should have added a comment, I've thinked about that after clicking on the button :p | 02:09 |
| seb128 | mdz: ok | 02:09 |
| mdz | seb128: do you add a dependency when you do that, or should I change the seed? | 02:10 |
| mdz | (for upgrade-notifier) | 02:10 |
| mdz | er | 02:10 |
| mdz | update-notifier | 02:10 |
| mdz | we have both in the archive right now, ick | 02:10 |
| seb128 | change the seed | 02:10 |
| mdz | and update-notifier is in universe, blecch | 02:10 |
| seb128 | session start it if available | 02:10 |
| seb128 | I don't need to add a depends | 02:10 |
| mdz | jdub: update-manager ready for desktop as well? | 02:11 |
| mdz | seb128: ok, thanks | 02:11 |
| seb128 | np | 02:11 |
| seb128 | time to sleep, 'night guys | 02:14 |
| jdub | mdz: no, mvo and i have to talk about those before they're added to the seed | 02:17 |
| mdz | ok | 02:17 |
| mdz | GAH | 02:19 |
| mdz | arch_commit: unable to acquire revision lock (internal error in archive-pfs.c(pfs_lock_revision)) | 02:19 |
| mdz | this is getting so old | 02:19 |
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| amu | mdz: didnt found it out, i've also some problems after using some programs, the snaphot becomes invalid, stauts is 0 3965184 snapshot 16904/20480 | 02:27 |
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| amu | mdz: 16904 grows up to 20480, after it reaches 20480, i cannot run other programs | 02:30 |
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| azeem | amu: sleep well | 02:34 |
| mdz | amu: invalid means you filled it up | 02:34 |
| mdz | after which it won't work anymore | 02:34 |
| amu | did't catched it, if it goes near to 20480 | 02:36 |
| amu | azeem: hi | 02:37 |
| mdz | amu: you can boot with ramdisk_size=65536 to get more space | 02:38 |
| amu | sure | 02:39 |
| mdz | but I think we can get it down to a more reasonable level with some tweaks | 02:39 |
| lamont | mdz/Kamion: i386: 526249079; powerpc: 567143169; amd64: waiting for kernel love on the buildd machine; ia64: broken depends | 02:42 |
| mdz | lamont: kernel love? | 02:42 |
| lamont | lacks loopback support | 02:42 |
| mdz | lamont: did elmo not compile the loop module or something? :-P | 02:42 |
| mdz | haha | 02:42 |
| lamont | modules, what modules. this is an elmo kernel | 02:42 |
| mdz | CONFIG_ELMO=y | 02:42 |
| lamont | will have loopback support tomorrow london time | 02:42 |
| amu | lamont: could you run updatedb before clooping the chroot | 02:47 |
| lamont | amu: we run /etc/cron.daily/{man-db,slocate} | 02:50 |
| mdz | amu: aha | 02:50 |
| mdz | amu: for some reason the noatime is not taking effect | 02:50 |
| mdz | or it is being removed by the mount --move | 02:50 |
| mdz | that will cause a huge number of writes | 02:50 |
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| mdz | or maybe busybox mount doesn't even support -o properly? | 02:52 |
| lamont | mdz: hppa: ubuntu-desktop not installable (well, has no depends); sparc: unknown | 02:52 |
| amu | mdz: it's better, i run just a tty, guess i've to setup X :) | 02:52 |
| mdz | hmm, no, busybox mount seems ok | 02:53 |
| mdz | amu: mount -o remount,noatime /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot / | 02:53 |
| mdz | should save a lot | 02:53 |
| lamont | mdz: as in the friendly ghost? | 02:54 |
| mdz | lamont: yes | 02:54 |
| mdz | or the dopest ghost in town | 02:54 |
| lamont | I thought he turned back into a dead little boy. :-) | 02:55 |
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| amu | mdz: yeah it save a lot, .... still trying to configure X | 02:57 |
| stub | I've got a crippled hedgehog. My background and my panels have not loaded (the panels are there, but blank). Is there a fix for this? | 02:58 |
| mdz | I don't know where it loses noatime though | 02:58 |
| mdz | I tested a mount --move on my desktop, and it preserved noatime | 02:59 |
| mdz | maybe it has to do with mtab | 03:00 |
| salgado | I've build evolution with debugging symbols (as file /usr/bin/evolution confirms me that), but when I run it in gdb, I can't get those symbols. | 03:00 |
| salgado | I've built evolution according to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingProgramCrash. is there something I may be missing? | 03:00 |
| mdz | nope, tested with mount -n | 03:02 |
| mdz | wtf | 03:02 |
| mdz | maybe the pivot changes it? | 03:02 |
| lamont | mdz: did you want those cloop's where you could fetch them? | 03:02 |
| mdz | lamont: what's responsible for writing the entry for root into mtab? | 03:02 |
| mdz | lamont: sure, I'll download them so I can rsync the full images faster tomorrow | 03:03 |
| lamont | I think mount does it, but have'nt had to look before.. | 03:03 |
| mdz | it's one of the early init scripts | 03:03 |
| mdz | checkroot.sh | 03:04 |
| mdz | salgado: those instructions should do it | 03:04 |
| mdz | salgado: if file /usr/bin/evolution says it's not stripped, then you did the right thing | 03:05 |
| mdz | salgado: can you paste the gdb output to me in /msg ? | 03:05 |
| salgado | mdz: sure | 03:05 |
| lamont | mdz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/livecd/livecd-20050108-{i386,powerpc}.cloop | 03:06 |
| lamont | mdz: how often do you want them built, btw? | 03:07 |
| mdz | lamont: daily is fine | 03:07 |
| mdz | lamont: daily, in time for the daily CD run | 03:07 |
| lamont | 0615 is when the d-i build runs, sounds like about a good time. | 03:09 |
| amu | mdz: i'll play little more tomorrow with it, too late now | 03:09 |
| mdz | amu: ok, good night | 03:09 |
| mdz | amu: tomorrow, see if you can find out where the noatime goes away | 03:09 |
| mdz | so we can fix that | 03:09 |
| amu | mdz: last suggestion, what's about a swapfile on the cd, i've a lot ram, probalby other user have not too much ... | 03:10 |
| amu | mdz: where do you put your last d-i? i'll try to build also homeeditions iso's ;) | 03:11 |
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| amu | mdz: k | 03:12 |
| mdz | amu: on the cd? | 03:12 |
| mdz | a swap file on read-only media is hard to use :-) | 03:12 |
| mdz | I do think we should detect and use swap on the hard disk | 03:12 |
| lamont | mdz: certainly | 03:13 |
| sivang | mdz: fallback to RAM drive if there's not enough space? | 03:13 |
| amu | n8 -R * | 03:14 |
| mdz | sivang: very funny | 03:14 |
| mdz | amu: I am using the daily d-i build | 03:14 |
| mdz | no need to build it here anymore | 03:14 |
| lamont | mdz: so daily install cd, with a bit of hackification? | 03:15 |
| mdz | lamont: what I'm using right now is the CD Colin built, in fact | 03:15 |
| mdz | unmodified | 03:15 |
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| mdz | it's way easy | 03:15 |
| mdz | all you need to do is put the cloop image in /casper/filesystem.cloop | 03:16 |
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| mdz | and pass casper/enable=true on the kernel command line | 03:16 |
| mdz | boom | 03:16 |
| mdz | (assuming you have a full complement of udebs, including casper-udeb, on the CD) | 03:16 |
| mdz | so you could start from an install CD, remove all the .debs, drop in a filesyste image, tweak isolinux, and you're done | 03:17 |
| lamont | /casper/filesystem.cloop on the CD, yes? | 03:17 |
| lamont | or I could fetch hoary-live-i386.iso and use that, eh? | 03:17 |
| mdz | lamont: oh, we're going to want pcmcia-cs in the cloop image | 03:18 |
| lamont | if I tweak filesystem.cloop in the iso, are there any checksum files to fix? | 03:18 |
| mdz | lamont: nope | 03:18 |
| === lamont sighs, adds pcmcia-cs. anything else? | ||
| mdz | if you're starting from a live CD, you can swap in any filesystem you want | 03:18 |
| mdz | lamont: actually, hmm | 03:19 |
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| mdz | the reason we don't install pcmcia-cs by default is that it breaks some machines | 03:19 |
| lamont | and frozen-bubble/kobodl, of course. | 03:19 |
| mdz | we can arrange for it to be installed if needed, of course... | 03:19 |
| mdz | but that wastes valuable COW space | 03:19 |
| lamont | I guess the udeb isn't enough? | 03:20 |
| mdz | don't worry about it just yet | 03:20 |
| mdz | I need to consult with colin on the pcmcia-cs situation | 03:20 |
| daniels | sladen: i don't know, sorry | 03:20 |
| mdz | daniels: hey, your magic xkb dvorak recipe stopped working | 03:21 |
| mdz | daniels: your xkb hero status is in jeopardy | 03:21 |
| daniels | mdz: so us(pc104)+dvorak(basic) as the symbol set is no longer any good? what happened? | 03:21 |
| mdz | daniels: dunno, did anything change xkb-wise in that last X upload? | 03:22 |
| mdz | (correct, it no longer does what I want) | 03:22 |
| daniels | mdz: yeah, a little, but nothing I would think would be relevant | 03:22 |
| mdz | (i.e., give me an Alt_R) | 03:22 |
| mdz | daniels: it should be setxkbmap -keymap 'us(pc104)+dvorak(basic)', right? | 03:22 |
| mdz | I thought it was just setxkbmap 'us...dvorak...' | 03:23 |
| mdz | but that doesn't work, so I assumed I had done it differently before | 03:23 |
| daniels | er, -symbols 'us(pc104)+dvorak(basic)', i think | 03:23 |
| mdz | mizar:[~/data/src/canonical/casper] setxkbmap 'us(pc104)+dvorak(basic)' | 03:23 |
| mdz | Error loading new keyboard description | 03:23 |
| mdz | hmm | 03:23 |
| mdz | ahh, ok, maybe that was it | 03:23 |
| mdz | daniels: what do I put in xorg.conf? | 03:23 |
| daniels | rtw c br, e.ucbcyc.nf dak. ekrpat | 03:24 |
| daniels | mdz: just put us(pc104)+dvorak(basic) in xorg.conf for XkbSymbols | 03:24 |
| daniels | mdz: and if you're going to keep breaking dvorak, you need to teach it to me | 03:24 |
| mdz | daniels: switch your keycaps around | 03:25 |
| mdz | you probably don't need to look at the keycaps for qwerty anyway | 03:25 |
| daniels | mdz: well, good point | 03:25 |
| daniels | (btw, the above random garbled text was something like, 'yeah, switching into dvorak works') | 03:25 |
| mdz | daniels: when I was learning, I would leave an image viewer on sticky with an image of the layout | 03:25 |
| daniels | mdz: heh :) | 03:25 |
| daniels | mdz: that would work nicely on my crt (21", 1600x1200), but maybe not so much on the laptop | 03:26 |
| mdz | daniels: should I delete my XkbModel/XkbLayout when I add XkbSymbols? | 03:26 |
| daniels | mdz: think it should be fine as is; what is it now? | 03:27 |
| mdz | Option "XkbRules" "xorg" | 03:27 |
| mdz | Option "XkbModel" "pc104" | 03:27 |
| mdz | Option "XkbLayout" "dvorak" | 03:27 |
| daniels | ah, I see | 03:28 |
| daniels | so change XkbLayout to "us(pc104)+dvorak(basic)" | 03:28 |
| daniels | and leave model and rules alone | 03:28 |
| daniels | i'm not entirely sure it's the most elegant, but it should work | 03:29 |
| sivang | mdz: ;) | 03:32 |
| srbaker | uh. if i'm going to write a gnome bittorrent gui, as listed on the Ubuntu Bounties page, where do i find out the person to contact? | 03:35 |
| azeem | I heard the latest bittorenr GUI is a much improved GTK one, so you might want to check that first (I don't use bittorent) | 03:37 |
| mdz | daniels: but setxkbmap -layout 'us(pc104)+dvorak(basic)' doesn't work | 03:38 |
| mdz | but XkbLayout will? | 03:38 |
| mdz | srbaker: that would be me | 03:38 |
| srbaker | mdz, ah. is there a list of requirements? | 03:39 |
| srbaker | mdz, i'm curious what the requirements are, and what the value is. | 03:39 |
| mdz | srbaker: yes, there was a discussion on the mailing list where we worked out the requirements | 03:39 |
| srbaker | mdz, i'm trying to schedule it in. | 03:39 |
| srbaker | oh, okay. ML archives then. | 03:39 |
| daniels | mdz: must be XkbSymbols, then | 03:39 |
| mdz | srbaker: though, someone mentioned on the wiki that bittorrent upstream seems to be developing a pygtk gui | 03:39 |
| mdz | so there may be a starting point there | 03:39 |
| daniels | mdz: try XkbLayout "us" XkbSymbols "dvorak(basic)" | 03:39 |
| mdz | daniels: and leave everything else in place? | 03:39 |
| srbaker | yeah. | 03:39 |
| srbaker | mdz, well, my plan was something like azureus, only not so heft. | 03:40 |
| srbaker | hefty | 03:40 |
| srbaker | mdz, i'm trying to schedule as many of these bounties as i can in between client obligations | 03:40 |
| mdz | daniels: "setxkbmap us; setxkbmap -symbols 'dvorak(basic)'" breaks my alt keys | 03:40 |
| mdz | srbaker: what other projects are you interested in working on? | 03:41 |
| mdz | srbaker: feel free to email me proposals | 03:41 |
| daniels | mdz: ok, so try setting (in the config -- you want to start another X server) XkbLayout "dvorak(basic)", and XkbSymbols "us" | 03:43 |
| daniels | mdz: (if you leave XkbLayout as "dvorak" and have XkbSymbols as "us(pc104)+dvorak(basic)", it should work, but I'm looking for something slightly more elegant | 03:44 |
| mdz | I'll play with it later | 03:48 |
| daniels | cool | 03:49 |
| daniels | sorry I couldn't be of more help; my grasp of XKB is kind of handwavey | 03:49 |
| daniels | i am still neither of the people in the world that understand it properly | 03:49 |
| lamont | mdz: If I'm remembering my last foggy conversation with doko, gcc-3.4/glibc/libunwind on ia64 need some bootstrapping love. but I'm not 100% sure - will chat with doko and figure out the right path | 04:01 |
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| daniels | night dude | 04:46 |
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| KeyserSoze | anyone know this other KeyserSoze chap? | 05:47 |
| Rez | no, but you should use recover and release | 05:47 |
| KeyserSoze | he keeps taking my nick, it's a PITA to have to have the nickserv kick him | 05:47 |
| KeyserSoze | Rez, is recover and release any better than ghost? | 05:48 |
| Rez | yes. when the broken client rejoins the nick will still be taken so it can't repeat the cycle | 05:49 |
| KeyserSoze | does either step of recover/release actually change my nick? or do i still need to do /nick? | 05:52 |
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| KeyserSoze | anyway, thanks for the advice | 05:54 |
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| daniels | gnuh, ndiswrapper really is broken :\ | 06:29 |
| daniels | fabbione: for -4 or whatever, could you please put in a new kernelside patch? | 06:30 |
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| daniels | i swear someone is trying to fuck with me | 06:44 |
| daniels | neither of my optical drives on my desktop would eject via the button -- i had to use the eject program, which would eject the drive and then return EINVAL | 06:45 |
| daniels | so then I rebooted it, and it wouldn't power on with the optical drives connected | 06:45 |
| daniels | then it stopped powering on at all | 06:45 |
| daniels | the latter being due to the fact my power switch was disconnected. | 06:45 |
| daniels | ho ho ho | 06:52 |
| daniels | acx100 is broken, because that wasn't enough | 06:52 |
| fabbione | daniels: there is a new ndis for -4 | 06:53 |
| fabbione | i think | 06:54 |
| fabbione | no | 06:54 |
| fabbione | it's already 0.12 | 06:54 |
| fabbione | daniels: there are no newer releases of ndis | 06:56 |
| daniels | fabbione: ndiswrapper-utils is 1.0rc2 | 06:57 |
| fabbione | GRRRR | 06:57 |
| daniels | Jan 8 16:27:06 nanasawa loadndisdriver: loadndisdriver: main(462): version 1.0rc1 started | 06:58 |
| fabbione | that's user space crap | 06:58 |
| daniels | Jan 8 16:27:06 nanasawa loadndisdriver: loadndisdriver: main(488): version 1.0rc1 doesn't match driver version 0.12 | 06:58 |
| daniels | sorry, 1.0rc1 | 06:58 |
| fabbione | yeah i know... | 06:58 |
| fabbione | ok i will have to update it again to 1.0rc2 | 06:58 |
| daniels | if it's already 1.0rc1, don't worry | 06:58 |
| daniels | i might just have an outdated l-i-2.6.10 | 06:58 |
| fabbione | no.. in 2.6.10 there is 0.12 | 06:58 |
| fabbione | there are no updates from zcx100 | 06:59 |
| fabbione | acx100 even | 06:59 |
| daniels | i have a bug to file on acx100, anyway | 06:59 |
| fabbione | yeah go ahead | 06:59 |
| fabbione | what is broken anyway? | 06:59 |
| daniels | firmware loading; doesn't find it | 07:00 |
| daniels | Jan 8 11:08:14 nanasawa kernel: Firmware: '/lib/hotplug/firmware/TIACX111.BIN' not found. Trying alternative firmware. | 07:01 |
| daniels | needs to be trying TIACX111.BIN-version | 07:01 |
| fabbione | that's not a driver bug | 07:01 |
| daniels | #5329 | 07:01 |
| daniels | mmm? | 07:01 |
| fabbione | hotplug loads the firmwares | 07:01 |
| fabbione | etc/hotplug/firmware.agent | 07:01 |
| daniels | so hotplug should be appending the version? | 07:01 |
| fabbione | yes and it does | 07:01 |
| fabbione | we can check if it is hardcoded for a mistake in the driver | 07:02 |
| fabbione | but do this: | 07:02 |
| fabbione | http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione/firmware.agent | 07:02 |
| fabbione | grab this firmware.agent | 07:02 |
| fabbione | it has a bunch of debugging stuff | 07:02 |
| fabbione | use it in place of the hotplug one | 07:02 |
| daniels | ok | 07:03 |
| daniels | brb | 07:03 |
| fabbione | and send me the output when trying to load the driver | 07:03 |
| fabbione | maj? | 07:04 |
| fabbione | are you in somekind of crack dude? | 07:04 |
| fabbione | -> normal | 07:05 |
| daniels | don't think it's getting called | 07:05 |
| daniels | there's nothing in syslog | 07:05 |
| fabbione | hmmm | 07:07 |
| fabbione | -char default_firmware_dir[] = "/usr/share/acx"; | 07:08 |
| fabbione | +char default_firmware_dir[] = "/lib/hotplug/firmware"; | 07:08 |
| fabbione | if (firmware_dir) sprintf(filename,"%s/ACX100_USB.bin",firmware_dir); | 07:08 |
| fabbione | - else sprintf(filename,"/usr/share/acx/ACX100_USB.bin"); | 07:08 |
| fabbione | + else sprintf(filename,"/lib/hotplug/firmware/ACX100_USB.bin"); | 07:08 |
| daniels | + if (priv->chip_type == CHIPTYPE_ACX111) { | 07:09 |
| daniels | + sprintf(filename,"%s/TIACX111.BIN", firmware_dir); /* combined firmware */ | 07:09 |
| daniels | + if (OK != acx_check_file(filename)) { | 07:09 |
| daniels | + acxlog(L_INIT, "Firmware: '%s' not found. Trying alternative firmware.\n", filename); | 07:09 |
| daniels | er, yeah | 07:09 |
| daniels | great minds, and all that | 07:09 |
| zenrox | lol | 07:09 |
| fabbione | yeah i see | 07:10 |
| fabbione | damn shit | 07:10 |
| daniels | yeah, needs to be hacked to use hotplug | 07:10 |
| daniels | in the meantime, we could just do a small sed :) | 07:10 |
| fabbione | daniels: i will try to get it fixed for -4 | 07:10 |
| daniels | fabbione: thanks mate, much appreciated | 07:10 |
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| fabbione | i have the security thing pending a shit load of bug fixes | 07:10 |
| fabbione | so i am not sure i can manage for -4 | 07:10 |
| daniels | that's fine -- it wfm now ;) | 07:11 |
| fabbione | http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione/bla | 07:11 |
| fabbione | this is the partial changelog | 07:11 |
| fabbione | and the "stolen from upstream" is only 40% of bk9 | 07:11 |
| fabbione | i need to process the other 60% of bk9 + bkX on monday | 07:11 |
| daniels | good god, that's insane | 07:12 |
| fabbione | and that i have scripts that do a lot for me :-) | 07:12 |
| fabbione | /proc/sys/kernel/bootloader_type: | 07:13 |
| fabbione | . Add patch stolen-from-head_bootloader-type.dpatch. | 07:13 |
| daniels | heh :) | 07:13 |
| fabbione | this one is cool | 07:13 |
| daniels | oh | 07:13 |
| fabbione | it writes the boot loader name in proc | 07:13 |
| daniels | so that tells you ... lilo? grub? | 07:13 |
| daniels | nice! | 07:13 |
| fabbione | no need to understand if it was lilo or grub | 07:13 |
| fabbione | a postinst can just check that to see what to do | 07:13 |
| fabbione | there is some stuff that is really really nice | 07:13 |
| fabbione | like the readahead patch | 07:14 |
| fabbione | with 25% to 100% gain in speed | 07:14 |
| fabbione | - mm: overcommit updates: | 07:14 |
| fabbione | . Add patch stolen-from-head_mm-overcommit-updates.dpatch. | 07:14 |
| daniels | wow, that's awesome | 07:14 |
| fabbione | this one for shared users... | 07:14 |
| fabbione | - mark_page_accessed() for read()s on non-page boundaries: | 07:14 |
| fabbione | . Add patch stolen-from-head_mark_page_accessed.dpatch. | 07:14 |
| daniels | and next week (hopefully) we get new fglrx too | 07:14 |
| fabbione | this ons is for DB | 07:14 |
| daniels | cool time :) | 07:14 |
| fabbione | approx 50% faster | 07:14 |
| fabbione | ah nice | 07:15 |
| daniels | finally with xorg + amd64 + pcie | 07:16 |
| fabbione | eheh | 07:16 |
| fabbione | ati sucks anyway | 07:16 |
| fabbione | as much as nvidia | 07:16 |
| fabbione | i want my CGA card back | 07:16 |
| crimsun | my hercules monochrome with integrated printer port rocks your cga card | 07:17 |
| fabbione | right... | 07:18 |
| fabbione | :( | 07:18 |
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| daniels | holy crap man, 1904FPS with fglrx in xorg | 07:26 |
| daniels | THIS DRIVER IS OFF THE HOOK | 07:26 |
| fabbione | ahahha | 07:40 |
| fabbione | cr4ck | 07:40 |
| daniels | fabbione: do we have a working installer for sparc? | 08:03 |
| fabbione | not 100% | 08:04 |
| fabbione | Kamion was mumbling something about silo-installer | 08:04 |
| fabbione | and you need the binaries in the archive to isntall | 08:05 |
| fabbione | otherwise you can just upgrade sarge -> hoary | 08:05 |
| daniels | ahr | 08:05 |
| fabbione | that's doable | 08:05 |
| fabbione | and either i build or i test the install :( | 08:05 |
| daniels | heh | 08:05 |
| daniels | just been thinking about getting the u5 up | 08:06 |
| fabbione | yeah that would be leet | 08:06 |
| fabbione | but just so a minimal sarge install | 08:06 |
| fabbione | and switch to hoary | 08:06 |
| fabbione | you need 2 deb sources | 08:06 |
| fabbione | one for the sparc binaries | 08:07 |
| fabbione | and one for _all.deb | 08:07 |
| fabbione | in anycase the binaries are on people/~fabbione/sparc | 08:08 |
| fabbione | for the _all you need a trick with i386 pool | 08:08 |
| fabbione | it was something like: | 08:09 |
| fabbione | deb http://a.u.c/ubuntu hoary/main/binary-i386 ./ | 08:09 |
| daniels | heh :) | 08:17 |
| fabbione | well ... time to go for wedding cake hunting | 08:23 |
| fabbione | hmm i need to update the Packages file on people... | 08:26 |
| fabbione | bah later | 08:26 |
| bob2 | mjg59: do you ever see netapplet either crash and give the "restart/inform developers/close" box or just silently disappear after a resume? | 08:32 |
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| cartman | hmm now that ffmpeg is in debian will it be in hoary too? | 12:02 |
| seb128 | yes | 12:09 |
| seb128 | universe | 12:09 |
| cartman | damned :/ | 12:10 |
| cartman | won't be in supported part? | 12:10 |
| Kamion | lamont: man-db's cron.daily uses start-stop-daemon as a cheap way to switch users that doesn't generate noise entries and therefore cause confused users to file bugs ... | 12:16 |
| Kamion | er, "noisy syslog entries" | 12:17 |
| seb128 | cartman: no, patents issues | 12:24 |
| cartman | well its in debian... | 12:24 |
| cartman | also those patents doesn't exist in EU | 12:24 |
| seb128 | and ? | 12:24 |
| seb128 | and ? | 12:25 |
| cartman | put it in multiverse? :) | 12:25 |
| seb128 | I said universe | 12:25 |
| Kamion | cartman: don't see how that would help you, neither universe nor multiverse is supported | 12:25 |
| seb128 | what's the problem with it | 12:25 |
| cartman | Kamion: argh | 12:25 |
| cartman | seb128: unsupported | 12:25 |
| seb128 | yeah, multiverse will not help | 12:25 |
| Kamion | multiverse is, if anything, *less* supported | 12:26 |
| Kamion | because it's a cesspit | 12:26 |
| Kamion | mdz: for the moment, daily-live builds are kicked off manually by me because I haven't quite fixed the publisher yet; let me know when you need new builds | 12:27 |
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| two-face | hi | 12:43 |
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| elmo | webserver (www.ubuntulinux.org, etc.) is going down for reboot in 4 minutes; if you're editing a page or something, please save your changes now | 01:06 |
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| jdub | seb128: evince 0.1.0 tarball release :) | 01:10 |
| seb128 | jdub: yep, I was considering to package it | 01:14 |
| seb128 | jdub: but I don't want to steal all the GNOME stuff, perhaps some NM would be happy to maintain it :) | 01:14 |
| two-face | jdub: you noticed something strage about emacs in menus, didn't you? | 01:14 |
| seb128 | bah, I'll probably upload it this afternoon, if somebody want take over it later that's fine :) | 01:15 |
| seb128 | but bbl lunch for now | 01:15 |
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| two-face | jdub: (hi BTW) | 01:20 |
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| Kamion | elmo: FYI, cdimage is now auto-purging old images, which should keep disk usage on the mirrors down a bit | 01:53 |
| elmo | Kamion: woo, thanks dude | 01:53 |
| Kamion | I've set it at 7 days for dailies at the moment, I might drop that to 4 or so actually | 01:53 |
| Kamion | yeah, dropped | 01:54 |
| elmo | root 28999 21.6 0.0 2676 1272 ? R Jan01 2324:17 \_ /bin/sh /usr/sbin/tzconfig | 01:58 |
| elmo | root 30950 0.0 0.0 2684 1280 ? R 12:56 0:00 \_ /bin/sh /usr/sbin/tzconfig | 01:58 |
| elmo | cute | 01:58 |
| Kamion | whoa? | 02:00 |
| elmo | it's the bastard spawn of some automated chroot updating cron job lamont has - I think it got awfully confused by interactivity | 02:01 |
| elmo | not sure why it'd drop into tzonfig | 02:01 |
| Kamion | dpkg --configure libc6 probably | 02:02 |
| Kamion | frontend=`echo "$DEBIAN_FRONTEND" | tr '[:upper:] ' '[:lower:] '` | 02:02 |
| Kamion | if [ "$frontend" = noninteractive ] ; then | 02:02 |
| Kamion | [...] | 02:02 |
| Kamion | else | 02:02 |
| Kamion | echo "Running 'tzconfig' to set this system's timezone." | 02:02 |
| Kamion | /usr/sbin/tzconfig | 02:02 |
| Kamion | fi | 02:02 |
| Kamion | maybe he forgot to set DEBIAN_FRONTEND properly | 02:03 |
| elmo | could be | 02:03 |
| elmo | boggle | 02:04 |
| elmo | or doesn't have debconf installed | 02:04 |
| Kamion | ! | 02:04 |
| elmo | neither the warty nor hoary buildd chroots have debconf installed on this machine, it seems | 02:04 |
| Kamion | debconf isn't in hoary.buildd | 02:05 |
| Kamion | the debootstrap script | 02:05 |
| Kamion | evidently lamont doesn't consider it essential enough :) | 02:05 |
| elmo | well, it isn't, except that it needs to be forced to non-interactivity | 02:05 |
| Kamion | certainly not Essential: yes, no | 02:06 |
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| Kamion | I should apply mako-style love to that | 02:07 |
| elmo | ok, entire DC network's going down for a couple of minutes.. last reboot of the day (at least that anyone'll notice :) | 02:08 |
| Kamion | having fun? | 02:11 |
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| seb128 | grrrr | 02:14 |
| mjg59 | bob2: Very occasionally, but I can't reproduce it reliably | 02:15 |
| seb128 | people start bug reporting to say than new glib is out for 10 hours and not yet packaged | 02:16 |
| maswan | elmo__: btw, I saw your reference to rsync giving lots of load, are you running bittorrent on the same fs? in our experience, that is a much worse disk-performance-killer. | 02:16 |
| seb128 | they are never happy | 02:16 |
| Kamion | seb128: by the same reasoning, never pay taxes, or they'll just expect you to pay more taxes next month ... :) | 02:16 |
| seb128 | ah ah | 02:16 |
| azeem | seb128: they just do it so you can increase your bug-closing karma | 02:17 |
| elmo__ | maswan: oh, err, yeah, we are .. thanks for the info, didn't realise that.. we already planned to move bittorrent to a dedicated machine anyway | 02:17 |
| seb128 | azeem: that's kind :p | 02:17 |
| elmo__ | maswan: but I have to say, since we dropped the rsync's to 15, the box hasn't seen the load jump to 30 again like it use to | 02:17 |
| maswan | elmo__: It just queues up lots and lots of small reads in random order | 02:18 |
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| elmo__ | maswan: haha, ouch, yeah, I can see why that'd suck | 02:18 |
| elmo__ | latency? wassat? | 02:18 |
| maswan | elmo__: The bittorrent stuff is like a constant background that makes other applications go slower and wait longer, increase load etc | 02:19 |
| maswan | elmo__: We cut the time of generating the weekly isos on cdimage.d.o from about 24 hours to about 8 hours by not running bittorrent on it anymore. | 02:19 |
| maswan | (well, just the tracker, but that's not disk intensive) | 02:20 |
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| maswan | Now, we have a dedicated front-end on ftp.acc.umu.se that handles the bittorrent seeding | 02:21 |
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| trukulo | what about new kernel bug? | 02:54 |
| trukulo | jdub: i was thinking... about theme in gtk using sudo | 03:00 |
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| lupus_ | fabbione, is the scanner module missing in the kernel 2.6.10 hoary | 03:22 |
| lupus_ | my usb scanner is not working | 03:23 |
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| seb128 | elmo: we can get a sync from incoming or we need to wait a day to get the packages on the mirrrors ? | 03:37 |
| seb128 | elmo: if I upload the debian version in ubuntu too, is that the same as a sync from you ? | 03:37 |
| elmo | I can sync it from incoming, if necessary | 03:47 |
| elmo | I'd rather not start doing 'by hand syncs' in the form of uploads, 'cos sooner or later someone will make a mistake and we'll end up with same file, different contents stuff | 03:48 |
| seb128 | ok | 03:49 |
| seb128 | there is no hurry, the sync needed are easytag 1.99.2-2 and glib2.0 2.6.1-1 | 03:49 |
| seb128 | targetted for experimental and in incoming | 03:49 |
| seb128 | so sync them whenever you want, thanks :) | 03:49 |
| Josephus | anyone got that userlib exploit working? All i got is FAIL and Segmentation fault with a bounch of kernels. So maybe the problem is not that general? | 03:51 |
| elmo | Josephus: the isec.pl guys do not fuck around - the exploit posted may not work for you without tweaking, but I wouldn't make any assumptions based on that | 03:52 |
| Josephus | probably they do not fuck around, but it does not even compile at first, i'm just talking about the "tweaking" you mentioned. | 03:56 |
| elmo | why on earth do you need it to work? just patch your kernels. if you're looking for help to exploit a box, you've come to the wrong place. | 03:58 |
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| Josephus | elmo: never mind, while it's a proof of concept, i just wanted to see it working on _my_ pc | 04:03 |
| elmo | running exploit code you don't fully understand in anything other than a _very_ tightly controlled sandbox is a really Bad Idea.. there's been a whole bunch of "dummy" exploits that do stuff varying from "rm -fr ~/" to sending "/etc/shadow" out etc. | 04:04 |
| mjt | what exploit is that? something new? | 04:09 |
| Josephus | i'm aware of that, but you just said that isec.pl does not fuck around :) | 04:10 |
| Josephus | http://www.isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0021-uselib.txt | 04:10 |
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| pitti | Hi guys | 04:15 |
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| lupus_ | seb128, can you check if it is normal that scanner module is not present | 04:22 |
| lupus_ | in hoary | 04:22 |
| seb128 | ? | 04:23 |
| seb128 | what are you talking about ? | 04:23 |
| lupus_ | modprobe scanner | 04:26 |
| lupus_ | does nothing | 04:26 |
| lamont | elmo: yeah, I need to force it non interactive | 04:35 |
| lamont | figured out how to do that building the livecd chroot, just need to apply it in build-chroot now, and retrofit all the existing chroots. | 04:36 |
| elmo | without installing debconf? | 04:37 |
| lamont | yeah. | 04:38 |
| lamont | ugly bastard script preseeding | 04:38 |
| doko | lamont: I now have an ia64 machine at home. fixing the ia64 stuff. did you already merge the glibc -20 changes? | 04:50 |
| lamont | not merged yet | 04:50 |
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| lamont | fabbione: you around? | 05:15 |
| lamont | fabbione: daniels: thoughts on 5341, if you would be so kind | 05:18 |
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| tseng | pitti: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77094 < multiple kernel vulns | 05:26 |
| tseng | pitti: someone is working on breaking them out | 05:26 |
| tseng | -ac already picked them up. | 05:27 |
| pitti | tseng: thanks for that hint | 05:29 |
| tseng | nps | 05:30 |
| pitti | tseng: I have to go now, but I will deal with that at Monday | 05:30 |
| tseng | great, have a nice weekened | 05:30 |
| pitti | tseng: nice to see that grsec is released for 2.6.10 now | 05:30 |
| tseng | indeed. | 05:30 |
| pitti | tseng: you too :_) | 05:30 |
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| lamont | bbiab | 05:38 |
| mjg59 | Christ, scrollkeeper-update has taken 7 minutes so far | 05:52 |
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| lamont | mjg59: it likes to take its time | 06:35 |
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| Kamion | mdz: let's say that we were asked to produce an updated CD of warty with security updates for a certain European Linux magazine. Should we attempt to rebuild the kernel udebs and debian-installer for the kernel security fixes and the module ABI change, or just leave that well alone? | 06:59 |
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| cartman | does "Matthias Klose" hangs here? | 07:04 |
| Kamion | cartman: what do you need? | 07:05 |
| Kamion | (yes, he does) | 07:05 |
| cartman | Kamion: need to ask what he thinks about a bug. He is the bug assignee | 07:05 |
| Kamion | why not just ask the bug? :) | 07:06 |
| cartman | Kamion: irc is usually faster ;) | 07:06 |
| smurfix | cartman: he's "doko". | 07:06 |
| cartman | smurfix: ok thanks | 07:06 |
| cartman | but I better ask in bugzilla to be polite :/ | 07:07 |
| doko | cartman: here | 07:07 |
| cartman | doko: cool :) let me find the bug#. I wonder if you will fix it or WONTFIX it | 07:08 |
| doko | lamont: the gcc-3.3 build failed to fetch the debhelper package ... | 07:08 |
| cartman | doko: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5251 thats the bug | 07:08 |
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| cartman | doko: I ask because a similar bug on debian bugzilla closed as WONTFIX though I think the bug is valid | 07:11 |
| Kamion | (debian doesn't use bugzilla, thank God) | 07:11 |
| doko | cartman: wontfix. gcc-3.3 and gcc-3.4 have ABI incompatibilities, changing the symlink will result in linking the wrong libstdc++, etc ... it's not an alternative. we will have to recompile many more things for a proper GCC transition from gcc-3.3 to gcc-3.4 | 07:11 |
| cartman | debian's bug system is worst thing ever | 07:11 |
| Kamion | cartman: you're talking to its maintainer :-P | 07:11 |
| cartman | doko: hmm I don't ask for changing default. | 07:12 |
| cartman | doko: I just want a way to shoot myself in feet if I want to | 07:12 |
| Kamion | if gcc-3.3/gcc-3.4 were alternatives we'd run into serious buildd problems all the time | 07:12 |
| cartman | I mix libstdc++ 5,6 fine here | 07:12 |
| cartman | Kamion: hmm why? | 07:12 |
| lamont | doko: the gcc-3.3 build you're looking for is the one currently running on hooker. | 07:12 |
| Kamion | because update-alternatives is seriously fragile sometimes | 07:13 |
| Kamion | cartman: why not use dpkg-divert? | 07:13 |
| cartman | Kamion: hmmm | 07:13 |
| doko | cartman: use dpkg-divert for self-shooting you | 07:13 |
| cartman | doko: well please paste your comment to the bug then. Someone else is looking at it. | 07:13 |
| lamont | doko: dpkg-divert is for customizing-with-a-crowbar. :) | 07:15 |
| Kamion | the other traditional way to make gcc-3.4 the default is to export CC=gcc-3.4, which works with autoconf-generated configure scripts at least and many others | 07:16 |
| doko | and CXX=g++-3.4 ... (or just put symlinks in /usr/local/bin) | 07:17 |
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| smurfix | Did somebody rename the MaintainerDocumentation page on the Wiki? | 07:24 |
| smurfix | It's linked from the Wiki front page, but that link is dead | 07:25 |
| Kamion | smurfix: yes, it became DeveloperSomething, forget exactly; rationale was that it wasn't just for maintainers (in the community process sense) | 07:25 |
| Kamion | DeveloperResources | 07:26 |
| smurfix | Kamion: OK, I'll update the front page | 07:26 |
| Kamion | thanks | 07:26 |
| Kamion | does zwiki do the auto-renaming thing for referring pages? guess not | 07:27 |
| Kamion | maybe that's why it got missed | 07:27 |
| smurfix | Not in RestructuredText pages | 07:28 |
| lamont | {standard input}: Assembler messages: | 07:28 |
| lamont | {standard input}:214: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `xchg' | 07:28 |
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| Kamion | smurfix: yay for ReST! :-/ | 07:32 |
| lamont | seb128: around? | 07:36 |
| Kamion | sigh, in order to build updated warty CDs I have to mirror universe | 07:36 |
| Kamion | I'd forgotten about that "feature" of universe->main moves | 07:37 |
| lamont | Kamion: or at least a couple files from it | 07:37 |
| Kamion | sorry, main->universe moves | 07:37 |
| Kamion | lamont: yeah. way less effort to mirror the lot, though ... | 07:37 |
| lamont | on the real mirror, just find pool -type l | 07:37 |
| seb128 | lamont: pong | 07:38 |
| lamont | and mirror the targets | 07:38 |
| lamont | seb128: is there a trivial way to restart metacity, short of logging out and back in? | 07:38 |
| Kamion | true, that would work, maybe I can kludge that in somewhere | 07:38 |
| lamont | Kamion: rsync -L is your friend. | 07:39 |
| lamont | (follows symlinks) | 07:39 |
| Kamion | will that work even with --exclude **/universe/**? | 07:39 |
| lamont | ye. | 07:39 |
| seb128 | lamont: killall metacity | 07:39 |
| Kamion | bonus | 07:39 |
| lamont | it gives you pool/main/f/foo/foo_1.2-1_i386.deb as a file instead of a link | 07:39 |
| lamont | Kamion: whether good or bad is left as an exercise.. :-) | 07:40 |
| lamont | that was how i solved the issue in my partial mirror scripting | 07:40 |
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| lamont | seb128: and yeah, I know there's nothing you could do there | 07:41 |
| Kamion | lamont: that's perfect, thanks! | 07:43 |
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| lamont | Kamion: it took me a minute to remember "oh. that". | 07:45 |
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| lamont | but does that say '2004' in the archive name??? | 07:49 |
| Kamion | yes :) | 07:50 |
| Kamion | haven't rotated it because there are no junk branches to forget about, so there seems little point ... | 07:50 |
| lamont | yeah, that's the one. | 07:52 |
| lamont | and cached revs take care of the play-forward pain | 07:52 |
| smurfix | Hmm. If I want to Ubuntu-ize Debian version 0.99.76-0.2, what should I use? | 07:53 |
| lamont | 0.99.76-0.2ubuntu1 | 07:54 |
| smurfix | Thanks | 07:54 |
| lamont | seb128: is there anything that can be done about the fact that killing metacity causes all the windows to move down header-height pixels? | 07:55 |
| lamont | window-top-border pixels down, window-left-border pixels right, actually. | 07:56 |
| mxpxpod | why hasn't ubuntu switched to using n-c-b 2.9.0? | 07:59 |
| === Kamion doesn't see an n-c-b 2.9.0 tarball in http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/nautilus-cd-burner/ | ||
| mxpxpod | Kamion: ah | 08:03 |
| lamont | seb128: if I send you an 83 lines unidiff that implements META_FOCUS_MODE_STRICT, would you take it??? | 08:09 |
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| lamont | Kamion: to add ubuntu-desktop to ia64, do I just need to put the seeds, or germinate output, into {base,desktop}-ia64? | 08:27 |
| lamont | hrm... debian/rules would tend to indicate 'seed' | 08:28 |
| lamont | :q | 08:28 |
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| mjg59 | Haha | 08:30 |
| smurfix | lamont: No problem. Just install an eye tracker. | 08:30 |
| mjg59 | I've seen that in action | 08:30 |
| lamont | mdz around? | 08:35 |
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| smurfix | lamont: not since a few hours | 08:35 |
| smurfix | he said he has to deal with Real World Problems | 08:37 |
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| === lamont understands those... I have to decide if it's warm enough, or my need great enough, for me to go out and work on the starter on my car. | ||
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| usual | lamont, bang it with something heh | 08:39 |
| lamont | usual: that's plan B | 08:39 |
| lamont | smurfix: one word: firefox | 08:39 |
| lamont | :-) | 08:39 |
| lamont | Kamion: germinte output doesn't format correctly in the presence of wide characters. :-) | 08:40 |
| smurfix | lamont: If it would restore my collection of open tabs after I crash the machine again, gladly. Right now: ENOWAY. | 08:41 |
| mjg59 | daniels: Around? | 08:42 |
| lamont | smurfix: yeah - I miss that | 08:43 |
| smurfix | Epiphany can do it, but it segfaults importing my Galeon bookmarks. :-( | 08:44 |
| seb128 | lamont: sure (if the patch is correct :p) :) | 08:51 |
| seb128 | lamont: what do you want to do to metacity exactly this time ? | 08:51 |
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| lamont | the heart of the patch is in window_takes_focus_on_map: | 09:18 |
| lamont | if (meta_prefs_get_focus_mode () == META_FOCUS_MODE_STRICT) | 09:18 |
| lamont | return FALSE; | 09:18 |
| lamont | the rest of the patch is: accepting 'strict', and making it behave like 'mouse' | 09:18 |
| mdz | lamont: yes | 09:19 |
| lamont | mdz: gotta go fetch a daughter, but ubuntu-meta questions for you when I get back in about 25 min, if you're still here. | 09:20 |
| lamont | seb128: I'll email you the patch too. really gotta run -was supposed to pick her up 15 min ago... | 09:21 |
| seb128 | lamont: ok | 09:22 |
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| seb128 | Keybuk: here ? | 09:32 |
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| mdz | thom: PING | 09:53 |
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| mdz | mako: around? | 09:57 |
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| mako | mdz: yeah | 09:59 |
| mako | mdz: whats up? | 09:59 |
| mako | i'm doing baz evangelism on oftc/#debian-devel :) | 10:00 |
| mdz | mako: mailed you | 10:00 |
| mdz | mako: about publishing traffic | 10:00 |
| mako | had dinner/drinks/etc with clint yesterday | 10:00 |
| mako | ok | 10:00 |
| mako | what about? | 10:00 |
| mdz | mako: oh, also, I think in many paces in traffic you wrote 'lead' but meant 'led' | 10:00 |
| mako | my mail is.. er.. not very accessible at the moment | 10:01 |
| mako | "scheduled downtime" | 10:01 |
| mako | hopefully better by tonight | 10:01 |
| mdz | mako: mailed you about whether it's feasible to publish traffic at www.u.c/news/traffic or something | 10:01 |
| mdz | mako: rather than /~mako/ | 10:01 |
| mako | that would be great | 10:02 |
| mako | it was discussed briefly before | 10:02 |
| mako | but there issues with integration into the rest of the site | 10:02 |
| mdz | mako: since you are both traffic master and website master, I think you are in an ideal position to make it happen :-) | 10:02 |
| mako | which was prohibitively difficult to do | 10:02 |
| mdz | hmm, I see | 10:02 |
| mdz | even if it were just a URL change, and not integrated with plone, I think it would be an improvement | 10:03 |
| mako | the scripts generate an arbitrary number of pages | 10:03 |
| mako | one for each person, etc | 10:03 |
| mako | i can kind of make it looks like plone, maybe | 10:03 |
| mako | although i'm not sure it will be a net gain | 10:03 |
| mako | yeah.. we can do the url change for sure.. i agree that current home is not ideal | 10:03 |
| mako | i was kind of hoping to put this on the list of things for the New Web Person | 10:04 |
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| mako | i also need the ability to just rsync the files into it.. which is not something i could easily do on www site | 10:05 |
| mdz | Kamion: a new live CD build with the latest casper and lamont-output would be great | 10:05 |
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| lamont | mdz: for generating ia64 ubuntu ubuntu-meta, all I need to do is add 'ia64' to the list of architectures and run update? And do we want to do that yet? | 10:23 |
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| lamont | Kamion: and if you build it say after at least 20 minutes have elapsed from now, that'd be even better. | 10:35 |
| lamont | &*%)*^)& damn script | 10:35 |
| lamont | either that, or don't use the -current links, since they're broken. | 10:36 |
| Nafallo | anyone from Canonical working on the powernowd bug with AMD64 Mobile CPUs? | 10:37 |
| Nafallo | bug assigned to debzilla@ubuntu.com, but bugs.debian.org/powernowd doesn't seem to have the bug. is it supposed to be like that? | 10:40 |
| mdz | lamont: yeah, that should basically work | 10:49 |
| mdz | lamont: and you can do that whenever you're ready | 10:49 |
| mdz | lamont: maybe we should use Architecture: i386 powerpc amd64 etc. rather than Arch: any, and have update get the list from there | 10:50 |
| mdz | lamont: would that make more sense? | 10:50 |
| sivang | does anybody know if there's a sync policy or something like that into rosetta from the debian po archives/gnome ones? | 11:05 |
| sivang | suppose a country team wanted to start transalting, and there has already been much transaltion going on gnome and debian archives, will it be apparent there? | 11:06 |
| mdz | sivang: #rosetta would be the place to ask | 11:19 |
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| sivang | mdz: ok, asked there. awaiting response. | 11:25 |
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