[12:00] <Vaportrail> maps73: which processor do u own?
[12:00] <erik> well there's a format to it but basically yes
[12:00] <jkelly> ok
[12:00] <maps73> Vaportrail, inter celeron.
[12:00] <j^> Tomcat_ thanks, could work sins Samsung Q20 ~ Dell X300
[12:00] <Tomcat_> jkelly: Updating your system is dangerous for people who shouldn't be doing it. For everybody else you can either setup the sudoers file or a script with setuid root...
[12:01] <Vaportrail> maps73: did u install mplayer-custom?
[12:01] <Tomcat_> j^: It worked for me... but since I don't want to run that special testing kernel I'll wait for the next release to get suspend. :)
[12:01] <maps73> yes i do
[12:01] <Vaportrail> maps73: k, u need to do some extra stuff, mom
[12:02] <Vaportrail> maps73: down this, but don't install it: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/mplayer-686_1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu3_i386.deb
[12:03] <Vaportrail> maps73: unpack it with file-roller, in it are 3 files, unpack the data.tar.gz and copy the directories usr and etc to /
[12:03] <kotau>  /msg nickserv link kotau hardhead
[12:03] <maps73> sorry, but i don't understand....
[12:03] <kotau> oh lol
[12:03] <Vaportrail> maps73: ok, u understood the downloading stuff?
[12:05] <randabis> hey, is there a graphical partitioning program in any of the ubuntu repositories? similar to partitionmagic perferred
[12:05] <randabis> I'm about to kill windows for good
[12:05] <randabis> it pissed me off for the last time
[12:05] <AlvaroBF> randabis, qtparted
[12:05] <Tomcat_> kotau: http://content.no-ip.org/Stuff/1105003670576.jpg
[12:05] <randabis> thanks
[12:05] <AlvaroBF> How I can install bootsplash???
[12:05] <AlvaroBF> help plz
[12:06] <Tomcat_> randabis: qtparted is in universe
[12:06] <AlvaroBF> Desempaquetando bootsplash (de .../bootsplash_3.1-6_i386.deb) ...
[12:06] <AlvaroBF> Configurando bootsplash-theme-newlinux (0.1-1) ...
[12:06] <AlvaroBF> Configurando bootsplash (3.1-6) ...
[12:06] <AlvaroBF> Building bootsplash initrd image...
[12:06] <AlvaroBF> cp: no se puede efectuar `stat' sobre .orig: No existe el fichero o el directorio
[12:06] <AlvaroBF> cp: no se puede efectuar `stat' sobre : No existe el fichero o el directorio
[12:06] <AlvaroBF> dpkg: error al procesar bootsplash (--configure):
[12:06] <AlvaroBF>  el subproceso post-installation script devolvi el cdigo de salida de error 1
[12:06] <AlvaroBF> Se encontraron errores al procesar:
[12:06] <AlvaroBF>  bootsplash
[12:06] <AlvaroBF> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:06] <AlvaroBF> alvaro@ubuntu:~ $
[12:06] <AlvaroBF> I get this error
[12:06] <kotau> tomcat, thanks I deserved that
[12:06] <gen> STOP FLOODING
[12:06] <Tomcat_> kotau: ;)
[12:06] <gen> and this is a english channel, what are you thinking?
[12:07] <Vaportrail> maps73 ?
[12:07] <crimsun> AlvaroBF: /join #ubuntu-es
[12:07] <AlvaroBF> ohhh
[12:07] <AlvaroBF> thanks
[12:07] <AlvaroBF> -_-
[12:07] <arot> wenas
[12:07] <AlvaroBF> hola
[12:07] <AlvaroBF> que asco de gente
[12:07] <AlvaroBF> xd
[12:08] <arot> mucho movimiento en el canal?
[12:09] <kotau> I recently installed 4.10 vanilla off the disk.  Will I have to start over to change the kernel to k7 instead of 386?  Or can I use apt get to install the new one?  I'd like to avoid ripping the kernel out of the box still beating, you know.
[12:09] <AlvaroBF> oye arot
[12:10] <AlvaroBF> tu tienes bootsplash?
[12:10] <AlvaroBF> _
[12:10] <gen> stop Alvaro
[12:10] <crimsun> kotau: sudo apt-get install linux-image-k7
[12:11] <AlvaroBF> 
[12:11] <Tomcat_> kotau: My experience is that ripping the kernel out of the living system is no problem for either Ubuntu or Debian. :)
[12:11] <AlvaroBF> >:D
[12:11] <AlvaroBF> gen, 
[12:11] <kotau> Much appreciated.
[12:12] <arot> jejeje
[12:12] <Tomcat_> kotau: And the Ubuntu install will do it anyway... you'll never have two kernels on your system.
[12:12] <arot> ?
[12:12] <AlvaroBF> 
[12:12] <Tomcat_> Oh... I'm wrong. :)
[12:12] <AlvaroBF> es por que no quiere que hablemos espaol
[12:12] <AlvaroBF> para picarle :D
[12:12] <arot> pues hay gente que no se entera
[12:13] <AlvaroBF> es solo a gen
[12:13] <Tomcat_> Installing linux-image-k7 gives you a new kernel.
[12:13] <Tomcat_> With the old still running.
[12:14] <randabis> okay, windows partition is gone...lol
[12:14] <jintonic> installing anything on my broken hoary installation causes an error :((
[12:14] <arot> install party?
[12:15] <randabis> now, I need to figure out how to transfer this partition or resize it
[12:15] <randabis> change it from hda2 to hda1
[12:15] <randabis> I want to avoid a full reinstall if possible
[12:15] <kotau> Tomcat; surgery successful.  Nurse, sponge please.
[12:19] <randabis> uh oh...
[12:19] <randabis> heh
[12:21] <randabis> I removed the windows partition, but I can't seem to make any new partitions in all that space that's free now
[12:21] <drspin> still waiting...
[12:30] <brian__> hlo?
[12:30] <brian__> ne one herr?
[12:30] <crimsun> (nope ;-)
[12:30] <kotau> hi
[12:31] <brian__> omg i had a question...
[12:31] <brian__> but i forgot it...
[12:33] <whorehog> can someone help me with grub?
[12:33] <brian__> oh i remember
[12:34] <brian__> how do u change permissions for folders including thier subfolders in gnome?
[12:34] <kezz> open a terminal
[12:34] <kezz> and chmod -R them
[12:34] <Vaportrail> chown -R 777 folder
[12:34] <Vaportrail> erm chmod i ment
[12:34] <Tomcat_> whorehog: Just state your question here.
[12:34] <Vaportrail> +a
[12:34] <brian__> lol
[12:35] <Tomcat_> Vaportrail: Not chown :)
[12:35] <whorehog> windows screwed up my mbr, i set hda1(my boot partition) to bootable again and GRUB comes up but wont let me do anything, it wondt accept imput or anything
[12:35] <brian__> but is it possible in gnome cuz kde seemed to have this feature :(
[12:35] <swoon> hi folks, which kernel should I use on a r300z compaq laptop that has an athlon 64? amd64-k8 ? or just whatever x86_64 kernel ubuntu uses on the iso?
[12:35] <Vaportrail> Tomcat_: <Vaportrail> erm chmod i ment
[12:35] <Vaportrail> :)
[12:35] <Tomcat_> Oh. lol :)
[12:35] <whorehog> im in the livecd now and i still have my menu.lst and everything in hda1, how do i re-setup grub to use this info  and boot properly?
[12:36] <randabis> ugh
[12:36] <luc1f3r> Does anyone know about this problem i'm having w/ a mounted FAT32 drive?  When I use some programs such as a file browser to search the drive, it doesn't display the contents that exist
[12:36] <randabis> looks like I'm just gonna have to do a reinstall
[12:36] <whorehog> i've been playing with 'grub' and 'grub-install' but can't seem to get any result, lots of invalid device, unrecognized device etc
[12:36] <brian__> maybe fix mbr w/ windows cd and reinstalll grub?
[12:36] <punkrockguy318> can someone help me with my printer?  it prints cuts half of everything off!
[12:36] <randabis> bbl after I fix everything
[12:36] <punkrockguy318> the test page prints fnie
[12:37] <punkrockguy318> but nothing else does
[12:37] <Tomcat_> whorehog: There's some command... grub-install [part]  or something... you can try that. (after backing up your data)
[12:37] <brian__> must be the program ur using then unless it happened with both of them
[12:37] <whorehog> yeah i tried but i dont understand the device names in grub
[12:37] <brian__> printer problem in referring to
[12:37] <brian__> im*
[12:37] <whorehog> i think (hd0,0) is = /dev/hda1
[12:37] <punkrockguy318> when I print stuff through lpr, everything is really screwed up
[12:37] <swoon> anyone?
[12:37] <whorehog> but it says invalid device
[12:38] <brian__> ok one last gnome related question... how can i make a filetype run in terminal by double clicking?
[12:39] <Tomcat_> brian__: Right mouse button, properties, open with
[12:40] <Tomcat_> whorehog: Where does it say invalid device?
[12:41] <whorehog> tom: i type 'grub' & enter the grub shell. i then type 'install (hd0,0)' or 'install (hd1,0)' and about a million other devices
[12:41] <whorehog> then it sais invalid device
[12:42] <brian__> k
[12:42] <Tomcat_> Are you sure that the grub shell won't take /dev/hd* stuff?
[12:42] <brian__> openwith does not have an option to "run in terminal"
[12:42] <whorehog> if i type 'configfile /mnt/hda1/grub/menu.lst' it brings up the correct boot screen, i want that to happen when i boot though, not through the livecd
[12:42] <whorehog> ive tried
[12:42] <Tomcat_> brian__: I guess you can't do that then. :\
[12:43] <brian__> u can?
[12:43] <whorehog> that would be a sweet feature
[12:43] <Tomcat_> whorehog: I think you need to copy the menu.lst from the live cd to your hard disk that gets used by grub...
[12:45] <lavigj> anyone experienced with wifi in linux?
[12:45] <whorehog> i already have my menu.lst on the boot partition on hda1, are you suggesting i try using the one from the livecd? i cant see that booting my install
[12:46] <Tomcat_> lavigj: Not much, but enough.
[12:46] <lavigj> Tomcat_: well, I am up and running, but I am puzzled by a couple things
[12:46] <Tomcat_> whorehog: I thought the one from the LiveCD was good?
[12:46] <Tomcat_> lavigj: Well... ask and you shall be helped. :o
[12:46] <brian__> ive set deb packages to open with "sudo dpkg -i" but i dont get any console out put i hear my comp working then i check synaptic and package is installed
[12:47] <lavigj> Tomcat_: for one, I only get 85% connection strength. I am all of 8' from the router so this seems odd. the second is that my status lights are just flashing. I have an atheros based card, the dlink DWL-G650
[12:47] <brian__> i wanna get some display of it installing
[12:47] <lavigj> Tomcat_: any ideas?
[12:47] <Tomcat_> brian__: Try using xterm or the gnome terminal with some command line parameters to open deb files...
[12:48] <brian__> thats exactly wut i was just thinking, imma try
[12:48] <Tomcat_> lavigj: My atheros card had only about 50% connection strength when being about 2 meters away from my ap... I guess that's normal.
[12:48] <lavigj> Tomcat_: hmm... ok. any idea on those status lights?
[12:48] <Tomcat_> lavigj: No idea what the status lights mean though...
[12:49] <lavigj> Tomcat_: ok... not a huge thing
[12:49] <lavigj> Tomcat_: it works, that's the main thing. but yeah... it is kinda irritating. :)
[12:50] <randabis-wireles> heh doing a fresh ubuntu install
[12:50] <Tomcat_> lavigj: I had 2 of them... when ath0 wasn't up only one was lit... when there was no ap they blinked alternately, when there was an AP they blinked at the same time... so normal for me.
[12:51] <lavigj> Tomcat_: oh, ok. that's exactly what mine is doing.
[12:51] <Tomcat_> lavigj: LevelOne?
[12:52] <lavigj> Tomcat_: eh? I just mean that's what mine does. when it is first initialize the back one lights. when the ap is being searched for, alternating. when connected they are both blinking... seemingly to show the status.
[12:52] <Tomcat_> lavigj: What company? LevelOne?
[12:52] <lavigj> oh, mine is a Dlink
[12:52] <Tomcat_> Oh... you said that, sorry.
[12:53] <lavigj> Tomcat_: no worries :) I appreciate the help
[12:53] <Tomcat_> Well I guess it's a normal feature of atheros-cards then, to behave like that.
[12:53] <Tomcat_> :)
[12:53] <brian__> doesnt work i tried "gnome-terminal sudo dpkg -i"
[12:54] <lavigj> Tomcat_: I am going to try it in windows later. I will see what it does there.
[12:54] <Tomcat_> brian__: ... and you need to use gnome-terminal -e ... or -x ...? :)
[12:54] <Tomcat_> lavigj: That would be interesting... have never used it in Windows, and then sold it.
[12:55] <Tomcat_> lavigj: But about the strength...
[12:56] <Tomcat_> lavigj: My experience was that the card never had more than maybe 60% link strength... but the speed and connection was always amazing. Speed was way above 10 Mbit, and the it worked in all corners of this whole house... I can't say that about my current Centrino, although it has better link strength.
[12:56] <brian__> oh
[12:56] <Tomcat_> So I wouldn't really see too much in the link strength of a card.
[12:56] <lavigj> Tomcat_: sounds good. I kinda figured that the applet might not be reporting it right either.
[12:58] <Tomcat_> lavigj: iwconfig might be better... but the strength there wasn't high either.
[12:58] <lavigj> currently I only show 24Mb/s
[12:58] <lavigj> Tomcat_: but I am not too worried about it. things seem more or less normal
[12:58] <brian__> umm im reading gnome-terminal --help which one -x or -e? :S
[12:58] <brian__> both seem to do same thing
[12:59] <crimsun> brian__: not precisely
[12:59] <crimsun> brian__: note that everything to the remainder of the command line is passed with -x
[01:00] <crimsun> brian__: whereas only the argument to -e is passed
[01:00] <brian__> ah
[01:00] <brian__> i used -x  so "gnome-terminal -x sudo dpkg -i" workx
[01:00] <crimsun> well, it will print a usage message from dpkg
[01:01] <randabis-wireles> heh 70 package updates right from the start
[01:02] <brian__> hmm works like a charm everythings installed so now if i have a deb file just dbl click and enter password
[01:03] <brian__> this is the kinda thing a newbie friendly system needs, i believe mandrake did this with rpm packages
[01:05] <kent> brian__, but is it friendly to the user if for example,  there is dependency problems?
[01:08] <Tomcat_> brian__: I don't get why newbies need to install debs manually... my experience in Linux is average, and I still do that only about once a month.
[01:10] <sdfsdfs> what happened to ubuntu-devel?
[01:10] <sdfsdfs> oops sorry
[01:11] <lavigj> Tomcat_: well, i get a good rate. I just copied at 2.8MB/s over the wireless
[01:11] <sdfsdfs> phew
[01:12] <brian__> i needed to install a deb manually for java, somthing that i usually do whenever i install any system
[01:13] <brian__> well yea any newbie shouldnt have to install manually
[01:13] <brian__> synaptic is just sooo ez to use
[01:15] <Tomcat_> lavigj: The speed one floor below this one is better with an atheros card than with centrino imho.
[01:16] <andrewski> i'm having trouble with my installation; the installer doesn't create my partition, nor does it use one i create from within gentoo.  can anyone help?
[01:16] <lavigj> alright, well, I gotta go
[01:16] <lavigj> talk to you all later
[01:17] <izaac> wow restricted modules for kernel 2.6.10 are ready
[01:18] <Cube-ness> grr.. kern 2.6.9 and 2.6.10 still cause kernel panic.. sometimes no error, just hang, othertimes it give the panic and : Oops! 0003 [#4]  0000[#3] , one of those or both..
[01:18] <Cube-ness> i dont understand whats going on here
[01:19] <Vaportrail> Cube-ness: they will get you, they are on their way. the aliens :D
[01:19] <andrewski> are there any reported problems creating partitions in the installer?
[01:19] <Cube-ness> Vaportrail, yes, but in the meantime, i'd like to use the newer kernel.. hehe
[01:21] <robertj> if gnomevfs is b0rk on hoary, whats the next thing to try
[01:25] <robertj> andrewski: why dont you create your partitions by hand
[01:25] <robertj> or use fdisk to remove all the partitions and try the partition step again
[01:26] <chris__> help! samba is really broken on warty !
[01:26] <chris__> I get an instant seg11
[01:27] <chris__> smbd -> smb_panic(): calling panic action...
[01:27] <chris__> and the init script halts startup btw
[01:27] <chris__> ctrl-C doesn't skip it
[01:27] <chris__> oh sweet baby jesus
[01:28] <chris__> INTERNAL ERROR: Signal 11 in pid 18835 (3.0.7-Ubuntu)
[01:28] <andrewski> robertj: i did and it didn't help; the installer still doesn't want to load it.
[01:29] <chris__> This is stable right?!
[01:29] <robertj> chris: warty is stable
[01:29] <chris__> should I distupgrade ?
[01:29] <robertj> andrewski: what fs?
[01:29] <chris__> oh
[01:29] <robertj> did you create the partitions or leave it blank
[01:29] <andrewski> robertj: i created the partition, trying reiserfs and ext3.
[01:29] <chris__> The init script hangs !
[01:30] <Poprocks> chris__: that's not typical...
[01:30] <chris__> dumbs a seg11 to smbd's log... but its after a --purge, install...
[01:30] <robertj> andrew: I don't know if reiser is in by default
[01:30] <Poprocks> chris__: reinstall samba maybe?
[01:30] <robertj> just nuke all the partitions and let it try
[01:30] <chris__> Poprocks: I have yeah !
[01:30] <chris__> s/!/:(/
[01:30] <chris__> Poprocks: I reinstall --purge'd
[01:30] <Poprocks> heh
[01:30] <Poprocks> chris__: i386?
[01:31] <chris__> Poprocks: yeah it is
[01:31] <robertj> andrewski: did that work?
[01:31] <Poprocks> wow that's weird!
[01:31] <andrewski> robertj: yes, but i also tried ext3.
[01:31] <andrewski> robertj: i don't want to nuke the working gentoo installation i'm using now.
[01:31] <chris__> Poprocks: I guess I should ask the "
[01:31] <chris__> #samba guys, but "[2005/01/08 00:26:03, 0]  lib/util.c:smb_panic2(1456)"
[01:31] <robertj> i386 I assume?
[01:31] <andrewski> robertj: yes.
[01:32] <chris__> but the init script hangs :(
[01:32] <chris__> Thats so bad its not funny
[01:32] <robertj> so does it detect the drive?
[01:32] <chris__> even if it was my box
[01:32] <andrewski> robertj: yes.  would it help to see my HD layout?
[01:32] <robertj> maybe
[01:32] <andrewski> one sec
[01:32] <Poprocks> chris__: has it happened on other distros too or just ubuntu?
[01:32] <chris__> Poprocks: just ubuntu
[01:32] <andrewski> robertj: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10369
[01:32] <Poprocks> yipes that's bad
[01:33] <chris__> Poprocks: he... this box has had debian (sid!) for 2 years.
[01:33] <chris__> sweet baby jesus.
[01:33] <limaunion> hi, i'm running latest kernel 2.6.10-ac6 and having some strange video corruption when vmware is started, any ideas? I've reverted to 2.6.9 and no problem
[01:33] <Poprocks> chris__: um.. go back to Debian?  ;-)
[01:34] <Poprocks> file a bug man
[01:34] <chris__> limaunion: That sounds like "My hand hurts when I put it in the fire!, what do I do?"
[01:34] <chris__> Poprocks: I convinced him to ditch debian :(
[01:34] <Poprocks> chris__: for a debian derivative ... heh.
[01:34] <Poprocks> ;-)
[01:35] <limaunion> chris__: i don't consider 2.6.10 to be a fire but maybe
[01:35] <chris__> Poprocks: he is purely a desktop user. Just wants a nice gnome. Thats ubuntu....
[01:35] <Poprocks> limaunion: but the alan cox patches are ;-)
[01:35] <Poprocks> chris__: that's true
[01:35] <robertj> andrewski: can you fsck it?
[01:36] <chris__> s/gnome/modern gnome/
[01:36] <andrewski> robertj: i've done that from within gentoo without problems.
[01:36] <Poprocks> doesn't Sid have 2.8 yet?
[01:36] <Poprocks> Sarge is set to include it, I know that..
[01:36] <chris__> Poprocks: believe it or not, no.
[01:36] <Poprocks> wow... and I thought Sarge would be out the door soon ;-)
[01:36] <chris__> lol
[01:36] <Ed_Gein> dpkg error "dpkg: status database area is locked by another process"
[01:36] <Poprocks> that should set it back another year or so ;-)
[01:36] <mjr> Poprocks, yes, I thought so too, a year ago ;P
[01:36] <chris__> Poprocks: I have a bet about sarges' release date. I lost, by 18 months so far...
[01:37] <chris__> I didn't do very well with woodys release date though tbh. But 2 years is nothing I guess...
[01:37] <chris__> anyway
[01:37] <chris__> Samba! Help! :(
[01:37] <Poprocks> Sarge is the first release that I'll "see" (let's hope so anyway)
[01:38] <robertj> andrewski: can you create an ext3 fs and mount it?
[01:38] <chris__> apt-get remove --purge samba. apt-get install samba -> INTERNAL ERROR: Signal 11 in pid 18835 (3.0.7-Ubuntu)
[01:38] <andrewski> robertj: yes, that's what i've done in gentoo, mounted it as /mnt/ubuntu.
[01:38] <Ed_Gein> dpkg error "dpkg: status database area is locked by another process"
[01:38] <chris__> Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?)
[01:39] <chris__> Sweet baby jesus. Thats so evil it's funny.
[01:39] <chris__> ubuntu
[01:39] <chris__> ubuntu's bugzilla is also evil.
[01:39] <limaunion> Poprocks: I think I've already tried with a vanilla 2.6.10, and today I've found this in the Alan's log file: Fix acpi video memory corruption (Linus Torvalds)
[01:40] <Poprocks> limaunion: I guess you can't expect commercial software packages to fully cooperate with brand new kernel releases...
[01:41] <limaunion> Poprocks: probably true, I'll try going back to latest 2.6.9-ac16 and see what happens
[01:41] <chris__> "And the beast of mamon shall die, and we will spread forth apon the earth an evil upon all evils. Bugzilla shall be it's name"
[01:41] <chris__> How do I find out the samba maintainers name ?
[01:42] <housetier> you don't have to use it
[01:42] <crimsun> apt-cache show samba|grep Maintainer
[01:42] <limaunion> Poprocks: I use to run OpenBSD under VMWare...
[01:42] <chris__> crimsun: of course. Thanks :)
[01:43] <Cyberjames> Hi! Anyone used SquirrelMail ?
[01:43] <andrewski> robertj: not to be impatient, but any more ideas?
[01:44] <chris__> I went squirrel fishing not long ago, if that helps ?
[01:44] <Ed_Gein> what am I doing wrong? dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[01:44] <wastrel> squirrel fishing eh.  ppl still do that
[01:45] <chris__> Ed_Gein: dpkg wants exculsivity. ps -A, kill any package management stuff.
[01:45] <chris__> wastrel: hell yeah.
[01:45] <darmou> Hi all, if the sound is not working on installation, is there a howto guide about getting it working?
[01:45] <crimsun> darmou: what sound chipset?
[01:46] <chris__> wastrel: I live in a tourist place. They are easy.
[01:46] <Ed_Gein> chris__: I still get that error after stopping synaptic
[01:46] <chris__> wastrel: got a few on my lap before.
[01:46] <darmou> I'm not sure how would I find that out? I'm using an HP Pavilion 5000 series laptop
[01:46] <Poprocks> darmou: lspci
[01:46] <crimsun> which model 5xxx?
[01:47] <darmou> zv5213AP
[01:47] <crimsun> more than likely you have an ess
[01:47] <darmou> ess?
[01:49] <chris__> Ubuntu init scripts have to be bulletproof.
[01:49] <darmou> I have windows xp on another partition would that tell me what the sound chip is?
[01:49] <chris__> They aren't
[01:49] <chris__> They need to be. dhcpc can't just sit there for a week because their isnt a cable plugged in.
[01:49] <chris__> common
[01:49] <crimsun> darmou: try Poprocks's suggestion of lspci
[01:50] <crimsun> darmou: don't paste it in here
[01:50] <Vaportrail> darmou: cat /proc/asound/pcm
[01:50] <chris__> Take me to your leader!
[01:50] <darmou> Ahh sorry Poprocks, yes I'll give that a go
[01:50] <Vaportrail> or I talk shit
[01:51] <andrewski> robertj: ok, i must be going.  thanks for the help; if you think of anything, please refer it to my forum post as i'll be signing off of IRC.  goodbye!
[01:53] <Poprocks> darmou: aside from "sound card" look for key words like "multimedia controller" or "audio controller"
[01:54] <darmou> ok thanks Poprocks
[01:54] <chris__> Anyone know a decent X sound mixer for alsa?
[01:54] <chris__> I mean for cards that have 64+ dsp's
[01:55] <Plasma_Dragon> Does anyone here know anything about getting the 8480wd abg combo card to work under ubuntu? it recognizes it fine, but iwlist ath0 scan tells me scanning isn't supported.
[01:55] <tidalwav> dragon: how does it plug into the compy
[01:55] <tidalwav> is it USB?
[01:55] <Plasma_Dragon> tidalwav: pcmcia
[01:56] <tidalwav> do you get any errors about pcmcia on boot?
[01:56] <tidalwav> modules loading, etc?
[01:56] <Plasma_Dragon> tidalwav: Nope, it recognizes it fine and I can even tweak the modes around under iwconfig
[01:56] <crimsun> chris__: ...64+ dsp?
[01:56] <Plasma_Dragon> tidalwav: it's atheros chipset btw
[01:56] <crimsun> chris__: most cards have at most 1
[01:57] <tidalwav> hmm
[01:57] <chris__> crimsun: well even cheapo sound blaster digital cards have 64
[01:57] <tidalwav> try installing wlanctl-ng
[01:57] <tidalwav> not sure if it supports that chipset but it's worth a shot
[01:57] <chris__> crimsun: which makes all those silly artsd/esd things useless
[01:57] <crimsun> chris__: err...no, they have 1 which does software mixing in the hardware.
[01:57] <chris__> as they cost like little more than $1
[01:57] <Plasma_Dragon> ok
[01:58] <chris__> oh dear :)
[01:58] <Poprocks> chris__: fwiw, according to Debian.org, 2.8 is in sid
[01:58] <crimsun> heck, 8 dsps is unimaginable, much less 64.
[01:58] <chris__> Poprocks: cool. Must have been in the last few days though :/
[01:59] <tidalwav> plasma_dragon: once it's installed, run 'sudo wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_ifstate ifstate=enable' and let me know if anything happens
[01:59] <crimsun> chris__: besides, if your hardware is capable of doing the mixing in hardware, you shouldn't be concerned with mixers like esd/polypaudio/nas/arts
[01:59] <chris__> crimsun: My terminology is wrong ?
[02:00] <Plasma_Dragon> Is it listed under synaptic or must I go find it myself?
[02:00] <tidalwav> uhhh
[02:00] <Plasma_Dragon> I guess the answer is no since I couldn't find it
[02:00] <Plasma_Dragon> haha
[02:00] <chris__> crimsun: exactly. Software mixers are useless except for really-old-hardware
[02:00] <tidalwav> try looking on debian's site for it and just install it using dpkg -i
[02:00] <tidalwav> it doesn't have any dependencies
[02:00] <tidalwav> that aren't present on an ubuntu system
[02:00] <crimsun> chris__: if you're referring to say, the sblive's emu10k1, it has 1 dsp that performs software mixing of up to 32 streams in hardware.
[02:01] <chris__> crimsun: with my $20 crappy sound card, I can run music players, games, other stuff, and still get the *hardware* to set the volumes of them.
[02:01] <chris__> We don't have a decent mixer that does it though (I mean an X mixer)
[02:01] <darmou> Vaportrail cat /proc/asound/pcm produces nothing
[02:01] <crimsun> darmou: tell me your lspci line for sound hardware
[02:02] <chris__> crimsun: ahhh. The software on the hardware...
[02:02] <crimsun> chris__: that's because the ctl interface that ALSA provides is unnecessarily obtuse to the end-user
[02:02] <chris__> I know what your saying now. But. Lets let the hardwares software do it. Leave my cpu alone.
[02:02] <Vaportrail> darmou: wasn't lspci your solution?
[02:02] <darmou> I ca'n seem to find Ispci what package is it part of? I'm assuming that it is a program to run
[02:02] <chris__> hardware/software, I don't give a fuck as long as its not my cpu;.
[02:03] <Poprocks> darmou: it's a command, lspci
[02:03] <crimsun> darmou: it's in the 'pciutils' package
[02:03] <darmou> Ahh got it
[02:03] <chris__> the ALSA api is nice
[02:03] <tidalwav> plasma: it
[02:03] <chris__> it's simple enough
[02:03] <tidalwav> plasma: it's here http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-wlan-ng/linux-wlan-ng_0.2.0+0.2.1pre21-1_i386.deb
[02:03] <Plasma_Dragon> ok
[02:03] <chris__> we just need some HCI guy to spring us a GUI.
[02:03] <darmou> Multimedia audio controller ATI technorogies
[02:03] <Vaportrail> and its and L in lspci
[02:03] <crimsun> chris__: it's a lot more complicated than just that
[02:04] <Vaportrail> darmou: and its and L in lspci
[02:04] <Vaportrail> -d
[02:04] <crimsun> chris__: the ctl interface changes from hardware to hardware
[02:04] <darmou> IXP150 AC'7
[02:04] <Vaportrail> and -n
[02:04] <Vaportrail> :)
[02:04] <chris__> crimsun: but the alsa api doesn't.
[02:04] <crimsun> darmou: you need a much newer version of alsa-driver, and the driver is snd-atiixp
[02:04] <chris__> crimsun: It's nice enough that the gnome mixer app gives me about 400 controls
[02:05] <gilles> why is there so much people using ubuntu ?
[02:05] <Ensiferum> gilles: cause ubuntu is a top distro!
[02:05] <Vaportrail> gilles: ubuntu rules
[02:05] <chris__> but I don't think thats easily accessible. Something more is needed
[02:05] <crimsun> gilles: obviously because it's terrible ;)
[02:05] <tidalwav> gilles: cuz it rox0rs my sox0rs
[02:05] <Vaportrail> :D
[02:05] <gilles> but it's just debian, so what else ?
[02:05] <crimsun> chris__: I think you misunderstand
[02:06] <darmou> crimsun is that something you can apt-get?
[02:06] <gilles> what more ?
[02:06] <chris__> crimsun: It's likely :/
[02:07] <gilles> a config tool as nice as this of mandrake perhaps ?
[02:07] <Vaportrail> darmou: did you tipe lspci (first letter is a L) in a terminal?
[02:07] <Vaportrail> gilles: what more ? It's sexy
[02:07] <tidalwav> giles: it's lazy debian
[02:07] <darmou> Vaportrail yes I did, thanks that's where I found the ATI Multemedia stuff
[02:07] <tidalwav> giles: the installer works much better than debian
[02:07] <crimsun> chris__: the ctls that the hardware supports don't have much to do with the API. Yes, the API is very nice, but ctls enumerated from hardware to hardware are a nightmare. For instance, consider the inconsistency between mixer ctls for a simple usb headset versus a sblive
[02:07] <tidalwav> much better hardware detection
[02:07] <Vaportrail> ah k, sorry darmou :D
[02:07] <gilles> tidalway: okay, but once debian is installed, what more ?
[02:07] <Plasma_Dragon> tidalwav: It says bad address
[02:07] <tidalwav> when you run everything?
[02:07] <Plasma_Dragon> yes
[02:07] <tidalwav> gilles: uhhh.......idk. Like I said, it's lazy debian. :)
[02:07] <crimsun> chris__: as you can see, it's not so much a UI issue as it is abstraction layer _and_ UI issues
[02:07] <darmou> mm alsa-base is already at the latest version, does that mean getting the upstream version or is there a cutting edge apt source for it
[02:08] <chris__> crimsun: Thats a reasonable comment. But still. The alsa API, at least the api for the mixer's is consistent enough that we should have some X (clicky) mixer that is at least as good as the ones "creative" make for Windows.
[02:08] <crimsun> darmou: I already walked one person through it; whether you want to get sound working depends on how willing you are to roll up your sleeves
[02:08] <chris__> crimsun: but we have nothing even aproaching them
[02:08] <gilles> tidalway: what do you mean, like for me who's a lazy boy, why should i use ubuntu knowing that debian is already installed and works well ?
[02:08] <tidalwav> plasma: is that the only error? any more details?
[02:09] <chris__> crimsun: I think it is a UI issue. I think it *is* a HCI issue.
[02:09] <crimsun> chris__: please don't confuse the API with the hardware itself, which needs to be abstracted
[02:09] <Plasma_Dragon> tidalwav: that's it
[02:09] <darmou> crimsum  I don't mind doing that, if that means geting the CVS ver of alsa that's ok with me
[02:09] <tidalwav> gilles: if it works well, then there's no point in installing ubuntu
[02:09] <Plasma_Dragon> tidalwav: wlanctl-ng: Bad Address
[02:09] <chris__> crimsun: ok, let me restate the point that is niggling me.
[02:09] <tidalwav> plasma: replace wlan0 with eth0 and try again
[02:09] <joshua> hi, how can I tell nvidia installer to use 64 extensions?
[02:09] <chris__> crimsun: This has nothing to do with hardware or software or OS's/
[02:10] <crimsun> darmou: no, you just need at least version 1.0.7 of 'alsa-source', which you can obtain from the debian repo
[02:10] <crimsun> darmou: but you must be extremely cautious
[02:10] <gilles> tidalway: okay, thank you for your honesty
[02:10] <Plasma_Dragon> I did ath0 because that's my wifi card
[02:10] <tidalwav> gilles: no problem ;)
[02:10] <chris__> crimsun: Take sound. Perhaps your sound card can mix 32/64/../512 channels itself.
[02:10] <Plasma_Dragon> wlan0 just said no device
[02:10] <zim> hi room is there a place were i can read up on speeding up the boot process?
[02:10] <darmou> crimson ahh sid you mean ok and not conaminate other packages I guess
[02:10] <tidalwav> plasma: *a*th0?
[02:10] <chris__> crimsun: What GUI do you provide for that?
[02:11] <tidalwav> plasma: I have no idea, sorry, dude
[02:11] <tidalwav> lol
[02:11] <zim> networking takes ages to configure
[02:11] <Plasma_Dragon> tidalwav ath0 because my card is an atheros chipset and for some reason it chose that as it's devicename :D
[02:11] <crimsun> chris__: the ui you provide depends highly on the abstracted control that is presented from the driver
[02:11] <Plasma_Dragon> aww okay
[02:11] <chris__> crimsun: 32/64/../512 seperate controls for each channels bass/treble/volume ?
[02:11] <Plasma_Dragon> I've been at it all day lol
[02:11] <robertj> ssh -L 902:localhost:901 robertj@pr0t0n.homeip.net
[02:11] <robertj> why does that not work to tunnel swat?
[02:11] <chris__> crimsun: But alsa already abstracts that
[02:11] <chris__> crimsun: and that is why it'
[02:11] <chris__> is so hard
[02:12] <crimsun> chris__: you're mixing up the API with the ctl abstraction. Please be careful.
[02:12] <zim> helppppppppppppppppppppppp
[02:12] <limaunion> hi, where should I create my smb partitions ? under /media or /mnt ? thanks
[02:13] <crimsun> chris__: here's an example: I'm writing a python backend to generate .asoundrcs. It uses the alsa-driver API. This API has nothing to do with how the controls for a mixer are enumerated. See the difference?
[02:13] <zim> need to speed up the boot
[02:13] <chris__> crimsun: no no. Think of a mixer. An X mixer. With alsa we can find out how many "channels?" the hardware provides. But still. How do we make a little mixer that adapts to more than... 10 say ?
[02:13] <zim> it takes forever
[02:13] <tidalwav> plasma: maybe this will help? http://madwifiwiki.thewebhost.de/wiki/Proxim8480OrinocoGold
[02:13] <chris__> crimsun: yes, but, you know the alsa api is rich enough for 1 mixer that can rule them all
[02:13] <Terminal|Giga> hello all.
[02:14] <chris__> crimsun: I haven't seen anything like
[02:14] <Vaportrail> did anybody try dmix for alsa?
[02:14] <crimsun> chris__: you mean the ctl abstraction, not the ALSA API.
[02:14] <tidalwav> plasma: it took forever for me to figure out how to get my wireless ethernet card to work in linux
[02:14] <tidalwav> USB card
[02:14] <crimsun> Vaportrail: yes
[02:14] <Plasma_Dragon> tidalwav: Thanks, i think I've already seen this though. Don't think I read it all though
[02:14] <Vaportrail> crimsun: does it have a sound delay like esd?
[02:14] <chris__> crimsun: well an API is an abstraction, but .. fair enough
[02:14] <crimsun> darmou: do you have 'build-essential' and 'kernel-package' installed?
[02:15] <chris__> crimsun: Have you done an HCI study for your app
[02:17] <joshua> hi, how can I tell nvidia installer to use 64 extensions?
[02:17] <chris__> ?
[02:17] <tandy> thism ight be a little off topic but anyone know of a goof html editor on linux
[02:17] <tidalwav> vaportrail: random question, but is your nick related to the song by Crystal Method?
[02:17] <crimsun> chris__: see the example I stated above. The ctl abstraction that represents your "available channels" differs highly from the API used to drive the device.
[02:17] <Vaportrail> tidalwav yes it is :)
[02:17] <tidalwav> vaportrail: awesome ;)
[02:17] <tidalwav> good song
[02:17] <darmou> crimsun just installing them now
[02:17] <tandy> goof==good :)
[02:17] <tidalwav> joshua: search around on ubuntuforums.org, there are good instructions
[02:17] <Vaportrail> tidalwav :)
[02:17] <chris__> crimsun: well of course.
[02:17] <crimsun> chris__: it's the equivalent of a library; ui is irrelevant because any presentation can be used.
[02:17] <darmou> ok done
[02:17] <crimsun> chris__: one could write an ncurses frontend as easily as a gtk or qt one
[02:17] <chris__> crimsun: that is my point :)  What is *your* UI for your python app based on
[02:17] <chris__> ??
[02:17] <chris__> argh/kb..
[02:17] <crimsun> chris__: I'm not writing the ui. I'm writing the backend.
[02:19] <crimsun> darmou: ok now you need 'linux-headers-$(uname -r)'
[02:19] <tidalwav> okay, random question: why does my compy take forever to boot (slows on starting hotplug subsystem)
[02:19] <Vaportrail> crimsun?
[02:19] <crimsun> Vaportrail: ?
[02:19] <chris__> crimsun: I've written a GUI (GTK).
 crimsun: does it have a sound delay like esd?
[02:19] <Vaportrail> I mean dmix
[02:19] <crimsun> Vaportrail: sorry. It's much lower latency than esd because it sits at the alsa-lib level.
[02:19] <darmou> ok done
[02:19] <crimsun> darmou: do you use x86 or x86_64 or ...?
[02:19] <Vaportrail> crimsun so I can expect, that the sound doesn't appear 2 secs after releasing it?
[02:19] <darmou> hmm i'ts a pentium 4
[02:20] <tidalwav> ok, apparently no one knows
[02:20] <darmou> I assume that is x86
[02:20] <crimsun> darmou: ok. wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/alsa-source_1.0.7-2_all.deb
[02:20] <Vaportrail> tidalwav hotplug itself is a bit slow, but not that slow
[02:21] <crimsun> tidalwav: you could simply blacklist the modules you know for certain won't be inserted because you lack the hardware
[02:21] <tidalwav> vaportrail: it freezes for 45 seconds
[02:21] <tidalwav> crimsun: done that already
[02:21] <Vaportrail> tidalwav thats slow
[02:21] <darmou> done
[02:21] <crimsun> tidalwav: are you using the -hardened packages?
[02:21] <Vaportrail> crimsun: did you test it on ubuntu, no or?
[02:21] <crimsun> Vaportrail: yes.
[02:22] <tidalwav> crimsun: meh?
[02:22] <chris__> crimsun: what mixer do you use ?
[02:22] <crimsun> tidalwav: then, no, you're not.
[02:22] <crimsun> chris__: amixer or alsamixer.
[02:22] <chris__> crimsun: me too :/
[02:22] <crimsun> chris__: gnome-volume-control should work fine for you
[02:22] <chris__> crimsun: we are just regular PC users I guess
[02:22] <Vaportrail> crimsun: where did u get alsaplayer and alsaplayer-alsa, from there page or i it hidden in the ubunturepositories?
[02:23] <chris__> not audio/music users I guess
[02:23] <crimsun> sec, I need to chpax chroot
[02:23] <crimsun> (argh)
[02:23] <crimsun> darmou: now install that deb
[02:24] <wastrel> 1024x768 what's the next step up?
[02:24] <tidalwav> k, other random question: I compiled and installed apache, php, and mysql from source and apache refuses to run php scripts
[02:24] <tidalwav> I added the proper directoryindex and addtype lines in the apache config and it's not doing anything
[02:24] <Vaportrail> 1152x864 1280x960 1280x1024
[02:24] <darmou> done
[02:24] <chris__> tidalwav: check your logs man
[02:24] <Vaportrail> wastrel: 1152x864 1280x960 1280x1024
[02:25] <HauntedUnix> How does one install mplayer? tried the obvious apt-get install mplayer (with apt-sources setup..)
[02:25] <tidalwav> oops, sorrry, I'm back ;)
[02:25] <chris__> tidalwav: check your logs man
[02:25] <tidalwav> so yeah, getting to my apache question :p
[02:25] <tidalwav> chris___: uhhm
[02:25] <tidalwav> okay
[02:25] <Vaportrail> HauntedUnix: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingMplayerFromHoaryInWarty/view?searchterm=mplayer
[02:26] <Vaportrail> HauntedUnix: or compile it urself
[02:26] <chris__> There is an exploit in ubuntu's samba
[02:26] <chris__> but if anyone finds it before me... /msg me =)
[02:26] <tidalwav> chris__: nothing interesting in logs
[02:27] <HauntedUnix> Thanks, Vaportrail.
[02:27] <tidalwav> when apache tries to serve a php file with <? ?> tags in it, firefox asks me if I want to download the file, instead of just displaying it
[02:28] <Vaportrail> HauntedUnix: np
[02:28] <nuevo> Buenas noches
[02:28] <tidalwav> hola, nuevo
[02:28] <chris__> tidalwav: did you check your apache config?
[02:28] <tidalwav> chris__: yeah, everything looks right to me
[02:28] <nuevo> Me podeis ayudar con el correo?
[02:28] <wastrel> the laptop i want is $2600
[02:28] <chris__> tidalwav: telnet localhost 80
[02:28] <Vaportrail> nuevo #ubuntu-es ? :P
[02:28] <tidalwav> it's almost acting like php isn't installed
[02:29] <chris__> tidalwav: GET /index.html HTTP/1.0
[02:29] <nuevo> no hay nadie :-(
[02:29] <chris__> tidalwav: press enter a couple of times
[02:29] <crimsun> Vaportrail: alsaplayer* are in 'universe'
[02:29] <chris__> tidalwav: does the server string include "PHP" ?
[02:29] <Vaportrail> crimsun thx, I must have been blind
[02:29] <tidalwav> chris_ :llet me check
[02:30] <crimsun> darmou: now sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[02:30] <Vaportrail> crimsun or hoary?
[02:30] <tandy> when then ext full release of Ubuntu comeso ut am i going to have to reinstall everything or will everything be updated throguh apt
[02:30] <crimsun> Vaportrail: ?
[02:30] <crimsun> tandy: updated
[02:30] <tandy> ok awesome
[02:30] <Vaportrail> crimsun no alsaplayer* in warty universe
[02:30] <nicedreams> remember...this isn't windows
[02:30] <nicedreams>  :)
[02:31] <tidalwav> chris__: is the server string the line that just says Apache/2.0.52 (Unix)? Cuz if it is, it doesn't say anything about PHP
[02:31] <nicedreams> how can i find out how much ram is in my machine and what the processor and speed is?
[02:31] <darmou> ok there is 2 atiixp is the the AC97 one I want?
[02:31] <crimsun> darmou: you want strictly atiixp, NOT atiixpm
[02:32] <chris__> tidalwav: then PHP isn't enabled in your apache config
[02:32] <crimsun> Vaportrail: right, hoary/universe or sid/main
[02:32] <chris__> big lag, lemmi check his snort log
[02:32] <tidalwav> chris__: how do I enable it
[02:32] <kent> nicedreams, if you can run gnome-terminal (rightclick on the desktop)  then run "free -m" to see memory, and cat /proc/cpuinfo  for cpu.
[02:32] <nicedreams> how can i find out how much ram is in my machine and what the processor and speed is from the command line?
[02:32] <tidalwav> :p
[02:32] <Vaportrail> crimsun thx
[02:32] <crimsun> Vaportrail: you can use other apps to test
[02:32] <tidalwav> you knew that was coming ;)
[02:32] <bubba_> Is there a way to boot the ubuntu and setup/install on a software raid array?
[02:32] <nicedreams> kent: thx
[02:32] <mjr> nicedreams, cat /proc/cpuinfo; free
[02:32] <chris__> tidalwav: is your apache server on your box? Should I be able to connect to it ?
[02:32] <darmou> ok what do I do to build it now?
[02:32] <bubba_> Ive been trying to get this to work with slackwre, having no luck.
[02:33] <mjr> oh right, there was the answer already above your question :)
[02:33] <tidalwav> chris__: it is, but let me forward that port
[02:33] <tidalwav> (behind a router)
[02:33] <Ensiferum> is there something like quickpar on windows for linux?
[02:33] <chris__> tidalwav: oke
[02:33] <wastrel> what's quickpar
[02:33] <crimsun> Ensiferum: install par2
[02:34] <Ensiferum> crimsun: ok thanks
[02:34] <Ensiferum> wastrel: parity integrity application
[02:34] <chris__> ipvs should be so much more popular than it is....
[02:34] <crimsun> Ensiferum: I'm not certain it's available even in multiverse; which it doesn't appear to be.
[02:34] <crimsun> (though it is in hoary/universe and in sid/main)
[02:34] <Ensiferum> crimsun: i found it in synaptic
[02:34] <tidalwav> chris: http://tidalwav1.no-ip.com:1234
[02:34] <chris__> Ensiferum: are you a coding theory student ?
[02:35] <crimsun> Ensiferum: ok, that works.
[02:35] <wastrel> what's multiverse?
[02:35] <Vaportrail> tidalwav works
[02:35] <tidalwav> vaportrail: i know
[02:35] <Ensiferum> chris__: coding theory? dont think so. why?
[02:35] <tidalwav> vapor: chris asked to connect for some reason
[02:35] <Vaportrail> tidalwav forget what i said, didn't see what you tiped before :)
[02:35] <chris__> tidalwav: "Server: Apache/2.0.52 (Unix)" you haven't enabled php in your /etc/apache/httpd.conf or such
[02:35] <bubba_> I have 2 ide hard disks on a sis 180 raid controller, its not showing drives, but the controller shows up. is there a boot option or something to enable this controller/disks?
[02:36] <chris__> Ensiferum: ah sorry
[02:36] <tidalwav> chris__:how would I go about enabling it
[02:36] <crimsun> darmou: finished dpkg-reconfigure?
[02:36] <darmou> yes
[02:37] <bubba_> ok.... is there a different way I should ask a question ?
[02:37] <chris__> tidalwav: 1 sec
[02:37] <tidalwav> chris__:k
[02:37] <chris__> tidalwav: what texteditor do you use ?
[02:37] <tidalwav> nano
[02:37] <chris__> ouch
[02:37] <tidalwav> vi gives me a headache :p
[02:37] <chris__> I mean. Ok :)
[02:37] <tidalwav> LOL
[02:37] <wastrel> nano gives me a headache :] 
[02:37] <crimsun> darmou: now follow the directions in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian . I recommend you use the fakeroot ./debian/rules binary_modules method.
[02:37] <tidalwav> I used to use vi, back in the day
[02:37] <tidalwav> forgot all the keyboard shortcuts
[02:37] <tidalwav> lol
[02:38] <chris__> tidalwav: nano /etc/apache/httpd.conf
[02:38] <tidalwav> chris__: duh ;)
[02:38] <sri|work> s/ATI/emacs, s/nVidia/vi
[02:38] <chris__> sudo vim /etc/apache/httpd.conf
[02:38] <chris__> ;)
[02:38] <bubba_> all righty then... this was just a small waste of time...
[02:38] <chris__> tidalwav: how do you search in nano? :)
[02:38] <chris__> tidalwav: /php =)
[02:38] <tidalwav> chris: I already have directoryindex index.php
[02:39] <tidalwav> chris__: ctrl+w
[02:39] <chris__> is__> sudo vim /etc/apache/httpd.conf
[02:39] <chris__> is__> sudo vim /etc/apache/httpd.conf
[02:39] <tidalwav> chris__: I also have the addtype application/x-httpd-php .php
[02:39] <chris__> oops... damn gnome
[02:39] <chris__> AddType application/x-httpd-php3 .php3
[02:39] <chris__> check for other php lines
[02:39] <tidalwav> ooh, add 3s?
[02:40] <Ensiferum> ok, is there anything that can open .rar files?
[02:40] <chris__> tidalwav: /etc/init.d/apache restart ?
[02:40] <wastrel> unrar
[02:40] <nicedreams> download unrar
[02:40] <nicedreams> aptitude install unrar
[02:40] <wastrel> aptitude not apt-get ?
[02:41] <chris__> Ensiferum: google man, their is unrar (free) and regular rar for linux
[02:41] <Ensiferum> chris__: sorry, a bit drunk atm :p
[02:41] <chris__> Ensiferum: me you both man
[02:41] <tidalwav> chris__: huh? couldn't find
[02:42] <tidalwav> chris__: if you wanna see what I mean go to /~josh
[02:42] <tidalwav> in a browser
[02:42] <chris__> Ensiferum: apt-get install php4 right ?
[02:42] <chris__> tidalwav: ^^ :)
[02:42] <sri__> I did apt-get install epiphany-extensions
[02:42] <Ensiferum> chris__: uh?
[02:42] <sri__> I got this query
[02:42] <sri__> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[02:42] <sri__>   epiphany-browser libosp4 w3c-dtd-xhtml epiphany-extensions
[02:42] <nicedreams> i hate windows so damn much.  on my other box, i just installed PC3200 ram and I get blue screens like crazy.  when it doesn't blue screen, it says that I keep entering the wrong password to log in.  Windows is suck crap...i'm so pissed...  I want to gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam
[02:42] <nicedreams> e
[02:42] <chris__> Ensiferum: nada mi hombre
[02:42] <sri__> Install these packages without verification? [y/N] 
[02:42] <tidalwav> chris__ :P php is installed! :P
[02:42] <sri__> what is this actually?
[02:43] <Ensiferum> chris__: hola espanol
[02:43] <Ensiferum> :|
[02:43] <chris__> tidalwav: apt-get install php4 apache ? :)
[02:43] <tidalwav> chris__: ewaah? ;)
[02:43] <Olin> nicedreams: buy xbox?
[02:43] <nicedreams> lol
[02:43] <nicedreams> no keyboard and mouse
[02:43] <nicedreams> nope
[02:43] <crimsun> sri__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[02:43] <Olin> unless you mod it
[02:43] <nicedreams> can't play first person shooters with a controller
[02:43] <chris__> tidalwav: you have installed apache and php4. Right? :)
[02:43] <nicedreams>  :)
[02:43] <tidalwav> chris_: going for it
[02:43] <Olin> mod mod mod
[02:45] <chris__> tidalwav: uncomment the lines in httpd.conf about php4 and you get "Server: Apache/1.3.31 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.8"
[02:45] <chris__> php sucks though... btw =)
[02:45] <chapter3> does ubuntu have a built in mobo sensor monitor package?
[02:45] <tidalwav> chris__:same problem
[02:46] <chris__> real men use cgi fortran scripts. And, if your really 1337, pascal..
[02:46] <mjr> hmm, is there an idiot-proof way to check if the sound driver supports full duplex?
[02:46] <swim> help please, Im using ubuntu-amd64 nvidia splash appears, but then I get Fatal server error: caught signal 11
[02:46] <Ward> chapter3: in universe
[02:46] <chris__> tidalwav: /etc/init.d/apache restart ?
[02:46] <chapter3> what's package name?  or where can i find more info?
[02:46] <Ward> chapter3: lm-sensors
[02:46] <chapter3> cool ty :)
[02:48] <Ensiferum> chris__: installed unrar, but cant find the executable. hmm? (updatedb && locate rar)
[02:48] <tidalwav> chris__: didn't do jack squat ;)
[02:48] <crimsun> darmou: progress?
[02:49] <chris__> tidalwav: ?
[02:49] <chris__> Lag 85
[02:49] <chris__> wish I was at home damnit
[02:50] <crimsun> mjr: yes, you'll need to have debugging info enabled for ALSA
[02:50] <crimsun> mjr: look at the Channels lines for Playback and Capture for /proc/asound/card0/stream*
[02:51] <drspin> Inspired by a recent article on /.  ::  is #ubuntu planning on supporting FF1.0 for Warty?
[02:51] <linuxjones> hi everyone :)
[02:51] <wastrel> what's FF ?
[02:51] <drspin> Firefox
[02:52] <wastrel> warty is the ubuntu releas?
[02:52] <drspin> yes
[02:52] <crimsun> drspin: highly doubtful
[02:52] <drspin> and there's a backport from Hoary available but it's not supported...
[02:52] <drspin> perhaps it should be considered...
[02:52] <drspin> http://it.slashdot.org/it/05/01/07/158218.shtml?tid=154&tid=128&tid=172
[02:52] <wastrel> does ubuntu have galeon?
[02:52] <wastrel> is galeon affected by that exploit?
[02:52] <chris__> ubuntu has all the supercowpowers
[02:53] <Vaportrail> I prefere chicky
[02:53] <crimsun> drspin: warty will not get new versions of any package unless they are critical security updates, which are backported as patches, not dropping entirely new versions in
[02:53] <wastrel> can random .deb's be used on ubuntu safely or do you have to use ubuntu packages
[02:53] <crimsun> wastrel: you "can" use any debs. You are responsible for any breakage that occurs.
[02:54] <crimsun> wastrel: (e.g., use ubuntu debs.)
[02:54] <drspin> galeon: since it seems they affects all version of mozilla then yes, unless the galeon developers fixed it and didn't send a notice to the mozilla developers...
[02:54] <drspin> which is highly doubtful
[02:54] <nicedreams> wastrel: use 'smartpm' if you want to use different repositories
[02:54] <nicedreams> it works great
[02:54] <nicedreams> i have debian and ubuntu repositories
[02:54] <drspin> wastrel: please see my post to "galeon" LOL
[02:55] <crimsun> debian+ubuntu has been very painful for the last two days
[02:55] <crimsun> if you're running hoary, though, you probably hardly batted an eye
[02:55] <wastrel> i use gentoo but am thinking of putting ubuntu on my new laptop...
[02:56] <Plasma_Dragon> tidalwav: *slap* I figured it out. I forgot to ifconfig ath0 up ;D
[02:57] <tidalwav> plasmadragon: D'OH!!!
[02:57] <Plasma_Dragon> tidalwav: ;D, Well I'm done here. Gonna log for the night lol
[02:57] <nicedreams> wastrel: do it, ubuntu runs very well and picks up even my wireless on my laptop
[02:58] <nicedreams> i'm not going to mess with gentoo again until the binary distro is released
[02:58] <tidalwav> plasma: lol, glad I could help, although not really ;)
[02:58] <Plasma_Dragon> tidalwav: lol thanks for the help you did give ^^, bye
[02:59] <Ensiferum> nicedreams: doest the wlan work out of the box?
[03:00] <nicedreams> Ensiferum: I've had problems with other distro's detecting it and it working right after the install
[03:00] <nicedreams> Ensiferum: still good regardless
[03:00] <Ensiferum> nicedreams: sorry, so did it work with ubuntu then without lots of tweaking?
[03:00] <nicedreams> yea
[03:01] <Ensiferum> thats nice
[03:01] <nicedreams> i just noticed i had an ip right after the install
[03:01] <nicedreams> so i was happy
[03:01] <Ensiferum> was that a laptop?
[03:01] <nicedreams> yea
[03:01] <Ensiferum> which make?
[03:01] <nicedreams> gateway
[03:01] <nicedreams> don't like gateway but this one is nice
[03:01] <Ensiferum> i've got acer on meh table
[03:01] <Ensiferum> got slackware 9.1 on that laptop
[03:01] <Ensiferum> never even tried to get wlan working :] 
[03:01] <nicedreams> lol
[03:02] <nicedreams> that's slackware for you.  makes you not want to up the effort into it to get thigs working
[03:02] <gilles> hi
[03:02] <Vaportrail> hi
[03:02] <Ensiferum> nicedreams: indeed. i used to like slackware.
[03:02] <Ensiferum> nicedreams: but i got pissed off at the "package management"
[03:02] <wastrel> my debian laptop has wifi working fine.
[03:02] <gilles> i don't have ubuntu, but i have debian, can i install the xorg package of ubuntu on my debian ?
[03:02] <wastrel> i had to mess with it a bit iirc.
[03:02] <Ensiferum> oh well
[03:03] <Cyberjames> Hi! HOw can i format my linux partition like on WIndows so that i will reinstall ubuntu?
[03:03] <crimsun> gilles: yes, but it's unsupported and unrecommended.
[03:03] <nicedreams> gilles: debian has xorg
[03:03] <nicedreams> you can install
[03:03] <nicedreams> ubuntu packages are tweaked for ubuntu
[03:03] <mjr> Cyberjames, just boot the install disk, it can overwrite it
[03:04] <nicedreams> I'll tell you what though...  Mepis live cd is off the hook
[03:04] <nicedreams> it picks up my wireless with no work also
[03:04] <Cyberjames> mjr: ok thanks
[03:04] <nicedreams> someone should make a nice ubuntu live cd
[03:05] <someonestolemyni> live dvd even
[03:05] <nicedreams> yea
[03:05] <crimsun> the upcoming hoary live cd is going to knock your socks off
[03:05] <someonestolemyni> sweet
[03:05] <nicedreams> crimsun: as long as it's not like it is now
[03:05] <nicedreams> no ntfs and samba support the live cd so far
[03:05] <nicedreams> that's like the bases of having a live cd...
[03:05] <nicedreams> so you can fix windows
[03:05] <nicedreams> lol
[03:06] <Vaportrail> or fix linux....
[03:06] <nicedreams> yea
[03:06] <someonestolemyni> or install over windows
[03:06] <nicedreams> I heard longhorn is getting rid of the registry though
[03:06] <someonestolemyni> ;-)
[03:06] <Amaranth> i wish
[03:06] <nicedreams> watch them have like a presestant home dir like linux has
[03:06] <Amaranth> they are getting rid of GDI+ though
[03:06] <wastrel> when's the livecd due out?
[03:06] <wastrel> what's GDI?
[03:07] <Ensiferum> wastrel: windows graphics api
[03:07] <nicedreams> i just feel back for bill gates how his stuff blue screen'd like 4 times at the tech show in vegas 2 days ago
[03:07] <nicedreams> I have to do something stupid for XP to blue screen on me
[03:07] <nicedreams> and it always happens to him
[03:08] <Ensiferum> xp has never given a bluescreen to me :] 
[03:08] <nicedreams> but i have to do something simple for xp to just not work anymore
[03:08] <nicedreams> lol
[03:08] <nicedreams> xp isn't so bad, but the little things that screw up really make it a peice of junk
[03:08] <nicedreams> like the explorer shell is the worst
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> and the interface?
[03:08] <Ensiferum> windows actually has an upper hand in quite a few things. (Over linux that is ;)
[03:08] <Ensiferum> nicedreams: use litestep
[03:08] <randabis-wireles> windows =evil
[03:09] <nicedreams> Ensiferum: is litestep a full replacment or just an enhancment?
[03:09] <someonestolemyni> hehe
[03:09] <Ensiferum> nicedreams: really nice shell for windows. no more explorer suckage
[03:09] <Ensiferum> nicedreams: replacement
[03:09] <nicedreams> ahhhh
[03:09] <nicedreams> googling it on my xp box now
[03:09] <nicedreams> xp only for games
[03:09] <Ensiferum> http://www.student.oulu.fi/~savaisan/stuff/litestep.jpg
[03:09] <nicedreams> other 3 boxes are linux and always will be
[03:09] <Ensiferum> my litestep config :] 
[03:09] <HrdwrBoB> is your XP license valid and paid for?
[03:09] <nicedreams> hmmmmm
[03:10] <nicedreams> lol
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> if not, windows has *no* upper hand in anything because you have an illegal copy
[03:10] <nicedreams> k?
[03:10] <Ensiferum> HrdwrBoB: okay?
[03:11] <someonestolemyni> lightstep.org or .net or .com ?
[03:11] <nicedreams> .org
[03:11] <nicedreams> i'm there now
[03:11] <Ensiferum> being a linux user you probably like litestep
[03:11] <Ensiferum> it has quite a learning curve
[03:11] <Ensiferum> tweaking wise
[03:12] <Ensiferum> fucking config files and lots of them
[03:12] <nicedreams> wrong site i think
[03:12] <nicedreams> oops
[03:12] <zenrox> Ensiferum,  and its fun and easer that the olve version
[03:12] <zenrox> old
[03:12] <wastrel> i last used litestep in 98 or so it was hella crashy
[03:12] <nicedreams> someone have a good URL for litestep?
[03:12] <zenrox> www.litestep.net
[03:12] <Ensiferum> .net
[03:12] <nicedreams> wow...so litestep is pretty old then..  good
[03:12] <zenrox> bine around long time
[03:13] <nicedreams> lol   oops   typed lightstep
[03:13] <nicedreams> nice...it's like fluxbox
[03:13] <nicedreams> i love flux
[03:13] <Ensiferum> and best of all, you get rid of explorer suckage
[03:13] <zenrox> yep
[03:13] <Ensiferum> if explorer hangs, you can just kill it without having to restart
[03:13] <nicedreams> so xp doesn't take a full 256mb of ram when booting now i hope
[03:14] <zenrox> so make shure you dont use explorer as a file browser too
[03:14] <someonestolemyni> do you know if you can have 1 user with the litestep shell only?
[03:14] <someonestolemyni> and 1 with explorer?
[03:14] <Ensiferum> someonestolemyni: it supports multiple user profiles
[03:14] <nicedreams> nice...i'll have to do that so my girl doesn't get confused when on the xp box
[03:14] <Vaportrail> YOUR TALK IS OFF TOPIC :P
[03:14] <someonestolemyni> lol yea i guess so :P
[03:14] <nicedreams> lol
[03:15] <Ensiferum> windows talk is off topic?
[03:15] <Ensiferum> shees
[03:15] <Ensiferum> who would have known :>
[03:15] <someonestolemyni> windows is a linux forum. whats wrong with us
[03:15] <someonestolemyni> in i mean
[03:15] <nicedreams> we are not too bad....we are using kind of like linux technology or theory in windows using litestep
[03:15] <nicedreams> lol
[03:15] <someonestolemyni> true
[03:15] <nicedreams> so what about that new hoary cd
[03:16] <nicedreams> :p
[03:16] <Vaportrail> there is a #windows channel with 4 peoples in it :P
[03:16] <nicedreams> lmao
[03:16] <Ensiferum> that reminds me. anyone know of a way to have custom shortcuts on gnome?
[03:16] <nicedreams> shortcuts in the menu's?
[03:16] <nicedreams> or keyboard
[03:16] <Ensiferum> keyboard
[03:16] <Ensiferum> i'm used to have a lot of shortcuts
[03:17] <someonestolemyni> when is hoary due out anyway? im excited.
[03:17] <Ensiferum> (with litestep they work like a lightning)
[03:17] <Vaportrail> late april or early may i think
[03:17] <nicedreams> Ensiferum: i think there is a gui configuration for keyboard shortcuts
[03:17] <nicedreams> the hoary install cd is very nice
[03:17] <nicedreams> brb
[03:17] <Ensiferum> nicedreams: yeah, but the few shortcuts are fixed in gnome. as leat as i have been able to figure out.
[03:18] <boyko1958> how can you tell the OS to use 800x600 resolution when it only shows 640x480 (new to ubuntu)
[03:18] <wastrel> there is a keyboard shortcuts GUI configurator
[03:18] <Ensiferum> boyko1958: try ctrl+alt+(+/-)
[03:18] <Ensiferum> wastrel: hum?
[03:18] <Vaportrail> Ensiferum I think he needs a videodriver :)
[03:19] <wastrel> Ensiferum: desktop preferences->keyboard shortcuts
[03:19] <nicedreams> off topic question quick:  can a guy take prenatal vitamins?
[03:19] <wastrel> at least in my gnome
[03:19] <Ensiferum> wastrel: yeah but those are fixed
[03:19] <Ensiferum> wastrel: i can configure them but not add new ones
[03:19] <wastrel> nicedreams: as long as there's no hormones, just vitamins, i don't see any harm...
[03:19] <nicedreams> i hope not
[03:19] <boyko1958> just installed on an old IBM 380ED laptop and the only resolution i found was 640x480
[03:19] <nicedreams> had a headack and no asprin
[03:19] <nicedreams> just prenatal from my women
[03:19] <nicedreams> watch me wake up with big nana's
[03:20] <conchas> why when I try to run firefox from a computer where I'm conected using ssh, I get this error "(firefox-bin:5300): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"?
[03:20] <crimsun> conchas: did you use ssh -X ?
[03:20] <wastrel> Ensiferum: dunno then :/
[03:20] <nicedreams> conchas: you need xforwarding
[03:20] <Vaportrail> would anybody help boyko1958, I'm to sleepy :P
[03:20] <conchas> crimsun, no I didn't
[03:20] <Ensiferum> wastrel: gawd. i guess i have to write my own then.
[03:20] <conchas> nicedreams, xforwarding?
[03:20] <crimsun> ssh -X
[03:21] <nicedreams> it forwards your commands to x
[03:21] <nicedreams> do what crimsun says
[03:21] <boyko1958> is there some configuration file that i can edit to tell the video driver to use 800x600?
[03:21] <crimsun> boyko1958: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[03:22] <Vaportrail> boyko1958: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[03:22] <Vaportrail> argh
[03:22] <Vaportrail> :p
[03:23] <conchas> crimsun, thank you :) But can't I just type firefox?
[03:23] <crimsun> conchas: ssh -X user@somehost firefox  <-- ?
[03:24] <conchas> humm, thanks
[03:25] <Ensiferum> time for sleep
[03:25] <Ensiferum> gn ppl
[03:26] <kent> godnight EndTwist
[03:26] <EndTwist> ?
[03:26] <kent> Ensiferum, godnight.
[03:26] <kent> wrong person, damn tabcomplition..
[03:26] <EndTwist> lol
[03:27] <boyko1958> got it.  thanks to all.  time to play with it and see what happens.  have a good evening
[03:30] <swim> crappy, got ubuntuamd64 on my laptop with wireless working! which on this particular machine was impossible untill last week, but I still cant get bloody x to work!
[03:33] <stub> I've sitting on a up-to-date hoary machine that has blank panels and desktop (I have to fire up apps from a text console). Anyone help with repairing this?
[03:34] <jdub> stub: killall gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus gnome-panel
[03:35] <stub> jdub: That got my bottom panel back and my background, and nautilus window appeared. Still missing my top menus and applets.
[03:36] <jdub> try it again?
[03:37] <superkitty> What package contains man pages?
[03:38] <stub> jdub: same bottom panel is fine. Top panel is still unresponsive and blank
[03:38] <tidalwav> superkitty: huh? when you install a package, its corresponding man page is added
[03:38] <tidalwav> usually
[03:39] <superkitty> i have no man pages
[03:39] <tidalwav> superkitty: come, now
[03:39] <tidalwav> man ls
[03:39] <tidalwav> man grep
[03:39] <tidalwav> nothing works?
[03:40] <superkitty> right
[03:40] <tidalwav> well
[03:40] <tidalwav> what's the error
[03:40] <stub> jdub: Oh.... not the same. The second time, the virtual desktop applet and trash applet didn't load
[03:40] <superkitty> No manual entry for ls
[03:40] <superkitty> See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available.
[03:40] <tidalwav> that's really odd
[03:40] <tidalwav> I have no idea :p
[03:41] <superkitty> oh well
[03:42] <swim> do you people have xconfig app?
[03:43] <stub> jdub: The bottom panel is inactive too - no response if I right click on it (but the show/hide desktop and window-switcher applets are runnng fine)
[03:44] <superkitty> swim whats up?
[03:45] <swim> superkitty: cant get x to work with nvidia drivers or with nv drivers...
[03:48] <Vaportrail> does anybody know hat I need to compile mplayer with alsa support?
[03:59] <Munchr> can anyone point me in the right direction for finding information on installing a linksys LNE100TX card when the autodetection process says there is no network interface?
[04:01] <swim> ok Im almost sure that apt is installing i386 stuff instead of amd64 stuff... what file would I need to edit if that were the case?
[04:02] <swim> hello??
[04:04] <superkitty> swim wish i knew... sorry
[04:04] <wastrel> swim: check /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:05] <wastrel> swim: dunno really but that's where apt looks for packages....
[04:05] <swim> yah Im looking there and dont see any refference to i386, or amd64
[04:05] <swim> does noone run ubuntu x86-64?
[04:06] <mjr> I do, I have no such problem
[04:06] <swim> mjr do you have an nvidia card?
[04:07] <wastrel> mjr: what does your sources.list say ?
[04:07] <JDahl> I dont think /etc/apt/sources.list is architecture dependent... rather apt should handle that for you (at the end of the apt URLs there are different directories for each arch)
[04:08] <JDahl> I mean, I if you actually go the http/ftp address, you see different directories, i386, ppc, etc
[04:08] <swim> im having a ridiculous time with lib64 stuff... I need libs such as libglx.a and stuff to compile the nvidia driver...
[04:08] <mjr> wastrel, sources.list doesn't spesify architecture, irrelevant
[04:09] <mjr> swim, no
[04:09] <daniels> swim: um, why are you trying to 'compile the nvidia driver'?
[04:09] <mjr> I spesifically bought a radeon 9250 because of the free 3d drivers
[04:09] <swim> get this, first I found the libglx.a and it was in .../lib64/.../libglx.a , then nvidia installer did not find it... now libglx.a is in .../lib/.../libglx.a and nvidia is now looking in /lib64/ when before it was looking in /lib/
[04:10] <swim> daniels because the package doesnt work...
[04:11] <daniels> swim: update xorg to 6.8.1-1ubuntu9 (been available for a few hours); reinstalling the nvidia driver won't fix it
[04:11] <daniels> swim: the nvidia installer will do weird things with amd64, because it has been designed for red hat, which does amd64 differently
[04:12] <swim> daniels Im using warty... so xfree
[04:12] <daniels> hm, ok
[04:13] <jintonic> daniels: are there any problems with the sis748 chipset? or the fic kt-748 motherboard in general?
[04:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there no firebird package for ubunu?
[04:13] <Vaportrail> jintonic i own sis748 chipset :)
[04:13] <Vaportrail> jintonic no probs
[04:13] <swim> oof been trying to do this for days... im about to give up
[04:13] <juan> daniels thanks for your work, you're cool :)
[04:14] <swim> should I try hoary?
[04:14] <jintonic> damn
[04:14] <Vaportrail> can anybody tell my how big the delay is in dmix?
[04:14] <Vaportrail> what damn?
[04:14] <jintonic> actually, that's probably a good thing :P
[04:15] <LinuxJones> BROKEN_LADDER, what firebird package do ou need /
[04:15] <jintonic> i'm looking for the reason why 3d accel isn't working on my system
[04:15] <Vaportrail> jintonic, just wondered, does it work? - yes! - damn! :P
[04:15] <swim> daniels: do I need hoary to use xorg?
[04:16] <juan> swim google
[04:16] <jintonic> well, since it does in fact work then i haven't found the reason why 3d accel isn't working
[04:16] <juan> you can install xord without 'die'
[04:16] <juan> xorg*
[04:16] <Vaportrail> jintonic which videocard?
[04:16] <jintonic> ati radeon 9200SE
[04:16] <daniels> swim: yeah
[04:17] <daniels> juan: no worries
[04:17] <daniels> jintonic: um, not that I know of
[04:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> the browser
[04:17] <Vaportrail> hmm
[04:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> er..email client
[04:18] <swim> daniels: just change source.lst to hoary? or would it be a lot better to install hoary first?
[04:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> er..i mean..nevermind
[04:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> i meant thunderbird
[04:19] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: thunderbird is in main
[04:19] <jintonic> specificly, sapphire radeon 9200se atlantis
[04:21] <jintonic> i've tried a few copies of the fglrx drivers (which daniels said shouldn't be needed because it should Just Work)
[04:21] <mjr> yes, 9200se is supported by the free DRI driver and should Just Work
[04:21] <jintonic> they wouldn't even work openfl at all
[04:21] <wastrel> i get about 300 fps in glxgears
[04:21] <jintonic> i get 400
[04:22] <Vaportrail> 3500 :P
[04:22] <mroth> 12600 ;-)
[04:22] <Vaportrail> fu *g*
[04:22] <wastrel> hm.
[04:22] <jintonic> yeah, but hardly a rightful comparison because we don't have hardware accel enabled
[04:22] <Vaportrail> lol, running xine at same time makes it 4100, huh?
[04:22] <wastrel> i thought i had hardware accel enabled
[04:23] <jintonic> heh, with what crap video card?
[04:23] <mroth> there needs to be something more up to date than glxgears for these comparisons
[04:23] <daniels> swim: note that hoary is not recommended if you're not familiar with how to fix breakages
[04:23] <mroth> once you get past 100fps it loses all meaning
[04:23] <wastrel> radeon 7500
[04:23] <Vaportrail> now its 5900
[04:23] <Vaportrail> I don't get it *g*
[04:23] <mjr> ya, glxgears isn't really that meaningful
[04:23] <Vaportrail> I see
[04:24] <mjr> tuxracer is the more modern approach to testing ;)
[04:24] <dasmi> you're checking it in the screensaver gears?
[04:24] <wastrel> glxgears &
[04:24] <jintonic> tuxracer barely moves for me, i'm trying to fix that
[04:24] <jintonic> its like watching a powerpoint presentation of tuxracer
[04:25] <mjr> if it just barely moves, it's a good sign of software rendering, though you can also see what glxinfo says on the direct rendering line ;)
[04:25] <Vaportrail> mroth your 12600, frames in 5.0 seconds or the fps?
[04:25] <jintonic> direct rendering: No
[04:25] <jintonic> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[04:26] <dasmi> how do i get the fps readout?
[04:26] <mroth> 62898 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12579.600 FPS
[04:26] <Vaportrail> what card?
[04:26] <mroth> nv 6800gt
[04:26] <Vaportrail> ah, k :)
[04:26] <mjr> jintonic, anyway, since I'm not sure what the frglx install attempts have done to your glx libs, it
[04:26] <mjr> it's hard to gues what to do next
[04:26] <jintonic> this is off fresh install right now
[04:26] <jintonic> i'm using the radeon driver
[04:26] <mjr> oh, okay
[04:27] <mjr> and you haven't enabled dual head by hand or anything?
[04:27] <jintonic> no
[04:27] <mjr> goodie ('cause that only works with 3d accel on X.org)
[04:27] <mjr> can you dcc?
[04:27] <mjr> if so, send me your /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[04:28] <mjr> I'll see if I can make sense of it
[04:28] <jintonic> nope, i can't, i
[04:28] <jintonic> i'll post it on pastebin
[04:28] <mjr> ok
[04:29] <jintonic> http://www.pastebin.com/226322
[04:31] <mjr> umm, is it an agp or pci card?
[04:31] <jintonic> agp
[04:31] <mjr> (WW) RADEON(0): [agp]  AGP not available
[04:31] <jintonic> yeah, i know
[04:32] <mjr> just before the drm module does some uninitializing-seeming stuff
[04:32] <jintonic> yup
[04:32] <wastrel> is there a way to turn off type-ahead-find in firefox?
[04:32] <mjr> I'd _guess_ that the kernel has problems with agpart support on your motherboard
[04:33] <Vaportrail> brb
[04:33] <jintonic> thats what i was thinking
[04:33] <mjr> ok, so I've been really helpful :)
[04:33] <jintonic> hehe
[04:35] <mjr> comparing to my log, after the agp log entries there indeed is no any releasing of resources by the drm module
[04:36] <mjr> I'd probably try and roll a more recent kernel and/or google around for your mb model + "agpart", but you're probably doing that too as we speak ;)
[04:36] <jintonic> yup
[04:36] <jintonic> hehe
[04:37] <mjr> attaboy
[04:37] <jintonic> only one result on google tho, doesnt seem to be helpful
[04:38] <jintonic> broader search, my chipset (sis748)
[04:41] <Vaportrail> I love dmix, multiple soundsources on arts and no delay
[04:41] <Vaportrail> or its just that little, that I don't notice it
[04:42] <Adrenal> i installed the backports gaim, but how do i change its default web browser? Cos now when i click on a link, it just takes me to my homepage
[04:43] <Vaportrail> mjr yeah, 32 channels :)
[04:43] <mjr> (and there goes the only PCI slot, but what the heck, I wasn't using it anyway)
[04:43] <Adrenal> anyone?
[04:44] <jintonic> BINGO!
[04:44] <jintonic> I still think there is a problem with the agpgart kernel module and the SIS748 chipset. I found out that if I set the AGP rate to 4x in the BIOS, then it works. But if I set it to 8x the system crashes, and not only the X-Server.
[04:44] <jintonic> But for the moment, I am glad that it works.
[04:45] <jintonic> i have it set to 8x, hopefully that's all i need
[04:45] <lavigj> does anyone know a good guide for getting my video working in linux?
[04:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> why is movemail free?
[04:45] <Adrenal> because u don't have to pay for it
[04:45] <mjr> jintonic, good luck with that
[04:45] <daniels> ah yeah, you don't want AGP 8x
[04:46] <Adrenal> anybody...gaim?
[04:46] <jintonic> no good support for 8x yet?
[04:47] <lavigj> also, is there no mplayer build?
[04:47] <daniels> jintonic: well, it's supported, to the extent that it locks my machine up hard
[04:47] <jintonic> heh
[04:47] <jintonic> how about agp aperture?
[04:47] <daniels> jintonic: you don't get any real performance improvement anyway -- it's very slight, about 2-5%
[04:47] <daniels> er, what do you mean?
[04:47] <jintonic> vram is 128MB, sysram is 512MB, what should my agp aperture be?
[04:48] <daniels> 128 should be fine
[04:48] <jintonic> agp aperture is just a bios setting i dont really understand
[04:49] <jintonic> ok, gonna try that, cross your fingers and pray :X
[04:52] <bam_> YES!
[04:52] <bam_> er... YES!/?
[04:53] <bam_> i'm getting varied framerates from glxgears but they're all faster than before
[04:53] <Guardiann> good evening everyone
[04:53] <bam_> weighted average is about 1100FPS
[04:53] <bam_> highest i get was 3965 for one result
[04:53] <mjr> yeah, that's clearly accelerated
[04:54] <mjr> generally, if you're getting 4 figures, you either have a box from the future or have 3d acceleration working
[04:54] <mjr> now try tuxracer ;)
[04:54] <bam_> haha
[04:55] <Munchr> can anyone assist me with a linksys lne100tx card?  I've tried running modprobe tulip, but that doesn't seem to do much.
[04:56] <crimsun> Munchr: then you have to up the iface
[04:56] <bam_> i have one of those, worked via tulip when i tried a couple years ago
[04:57] <Munchr> ifup eth0 fails
[04:57] <Munchr> no such device
[04:57] <crimsun> Munchr: have you defined eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces?
[04:58] <Munchr> i think so.  I think the network settings control added "iface eth0 inet dhcp"/"name Ethernet LAN card"
[04:59] <crimsun> look at the contents of /etc/network/interfaces to make sure
[05:00] <Munchr> it's there
[05:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> why does dalnet refuse to let me connect now that i use ubuntu? when i used slackware it worked.
[05:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> it says something about matching a known trojan.
[05:02] <Munchr> lspci lists the card as "Ethernet controller: Symphony Labs: Unknown device c115 (rev 25)".  should it do that?
[05:03] <crimsun> Munchr: does dmesg tell you that the nic's chipset was recognized?
[05:08] <jintonic> tux racer works beautifully :)
[05:08] <ObsidianX> i know i've asked this before so if anybody who's attempted to help me out previously if you could help me out some more that would be great
[05:08] <ObsidianX> but
[05:08] <jintonic> open gl works at last :)
[05:08] <ObsidianX> how do i get the ubuntu installer to use my partitions?
[05:08] <ObsidianX> it wont work for some reason
[05:09] <jintonic> how can i get tux racer to show the frame rate?
[05:09] <ObsidianX> and the modules for ide and my mobo are loaded
[05:09] <Munchr> I don't see anything about the chipset in dmesg
[05:11] <jintonic> neverming
[05:11] <Guardiann> BROKEN_LADDER it is usually a isp problem
[05:13] <jintonic> where would the icon for tux racer be?
[05:16] <mjr> /usr/X11R6/include/X11/pixmaps/tuxracer.xpm
[05:16] <mjr> hmm, sleep now
[05:17] <Guardiann> quiet in here tonight
[05:18] <jintonic> tuxracer is getting ~40FPS
[05:18] <Guardiann> ?
[05:19] <jintonic> kinda slow still, but it works fine
[05:19] <Guardiann> i see
[05:19] <Se7h> erm
[05:19] <jintonic> i've been on a quest to play tuxracer at a decent speed
[05:19] <Se7h> does anyone has 5.1 running fine ?
[05:20] <Guardiann> 5.1?
[05:20] <Se7h> suround sound
[05:20] <jintonic> 5.1 sorround sound?
[05:20] <Guardiann> ah
[05:20] <jintonic> der
[05:20] <Se7h> i cant get mi front and rear get to work
[05:20] <Se7h> *my
[05:21] <Se7h> does anyone has it working ?
[05:21] <crimsun> do you have a multichannel wav file to test?
[05:21] <jintonic> hmm... 5.1 is built into my motherboard but i have no 5.1 equiptment... and it'd be kinda tough to setup a 5.1 environment for my computer :-/
[05:21] <Se7h> hmm don't think so
[05:22] <crimsun> if so, use: aplay -Dplugsurround51 foo.wav
[05:22] <Se7h> i was trying on a DVD
[05:23] <Se7h> crimsun foo.wav ?
[05:24] <Se7h> ALSA lib pcm.c:1972:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM plugsurround51
[05:24] <Se7h> oooh
[05:24] <crimsun> plug:surround51
[05:24] <Se7h> at aplay ?
[05:24] <jintonic> jeez... i spent so much time getting my video card to do hw 3d accel and all i needed to do is set the driver to radeon in xconfig and set my agp speed to 4x in bios
[05:25] <crimsun> Se7h: aplay -Dplug:surround51 foo.wav
[05:25] <Se7h> done
[05:25] <Se7h> now i need a multichannel wav file
[05:25] <jintonic> on the updside: now i'm uncomfortably familiar with video card driver install on debian based systems
[05:25] <Se7h> that...i dont have
[05:26] <Crane> hellooooooo
[05:27] <Se7h> crimsun do u have one to test ?
[05:27] <crimsun> Se7h: no, sorry.
[05:27] <Se7h> ok
[05:27] <Se7h> does anyone has? (lol)
[05:27] <crimsun> try playing a video through totem-xine
[05:27] <crimsun> err, a dvd, rather
[05:27] <Se7h> well
[05:28] <crimsun> set the output to pcm.surround51
[05:28] <Se7h> im streaming a DVD on VLC
[05:28] <Se7h> guess its the same
[05:28] <crimsun> ok, then set vlc to use pcm.surround51
[05:28] <Se7h> hmm let me check
[05:28] <Se7h> one more thing
[05:29] <Se7h> on VLC audio is set to 5.1
[05:29] <Se7h> guess isn't enough
[05:29] <Se7h> right?
[05:29] <crimsun> I'd have to see the xine config file
[05:30] <drspin> is there a January Ubuntu background?
[05:30] <crimsun> yes.
[05:31] <crimsun> install ubuntu-calendar-january
[05:32] <drspin> hmm - not sure how I feel about it --
[05:32] <drspin> I'll go back to December for now
[05:32] <drspin> ;)
[05:34] <r3m\> I run some services, like ircd, but i got disconnect and now I can only connect from the LAN ip adress, but the net works, i can access the website i want.. any idea?
[05:36] <Se7h> crimsun shouldn't totem "play disc" option lead to select only a device?
[05:36] <Se7h> o.0
[05:37] <crimsun> Se7h: I have no idea; I use mplayer.
[05:37] <Se7h> hmm ok
[05:41] <jintonic> hmm.. when i run install apps in wine i get the error that C:\windows\regedit is missing... is that fixable?
[05:44] <jintonic> lovely
[05:44] <jmhodges> great..
[05:45] <znalo> crikey
[05:46] <AppleBoy> KeyserSoze:  what was that all about?
[05:46] <bluefoxicy> Ugh I have a dilema.
[05:46] <bluefoxicy> I want to call my tool the Acubierre Package Manager
[05:46] <bluefoxicy> except then it would be apt  :/
[05:46] <bluefoxicy> *tool
[05:46] <Rez> no, it would be apm
[05:46] <bluefoxicy> if I called it "manager" it'd be apm
[05:46] <bluefoxicy> wihch is also already taken
[05:46] <znalo> apmt?
[05:46] <bluefoxicy> although I have doubts that 'apt' would be installed on my system anyway
[05:46] <bluefoxicy> it'd be kinda sick
[05:47] <bluefoxicy> not to mention confusing
[05:47] <jintonic> apck?
[05:47] <jintonic> probably taken too
[05:47] <jmhodges> ok weird.. nautilus burning works fine, but cdrecord -scanbus turns up nothing
[05:47] <jintonic> but i dont know of it
[05:47] <jmhodges> can somebody explain that to me?
[05:47] <bluefoxicy> base name:  acubierre
[05:47] <bluefoxicy> go nuts
[05:47] <jmhodges> bah, let me double check that
[05:48] <jmhodges> argh, nevermind
[05:48] <jmhodges> im getting "drive busy" errors
[05:48] <jmhodges> but theres nothing accessing the drive
[05:49] <bluefoxicy> i'd just call it 'acubierre', but it's nerverottingly long and difficult to remember.
[05:49] <jmhodges> this is on hoary btw
[05:49] <bluefoxicy> jmhodges:  i'm trying to make my own distribution :P
[05:49] <jmhodges> ahh.. found something.. thats odd..
[05:49] <jmhodges> bluefoxicy: ?
[05:49] <bluefoxicy> based around new tools and stuff
[05:49] <bluefoxicy> just venting.
[05:49] <jmhodges> er.. i dont..
[05:50] <bluefoxicy> your system blew up?
[05:50] <bluefoxicy> :O
[05:50] <bluefoxicy> I told you
[05:50] <bluefoxicy> 52x cd drives make CDs EXPLODE
[05:51] <tritium> What's a good tool to pick available wireless access points?
[05:51] <jmhodges> heh
[05:51] <jmhodges> anyway, ill shush, its working fine now..
[05:52] <Se7h> crimsun read this pls
[05:52] <Se7h> Totem could not play 'file:///media/cdrom1/Drivers/Audio/Ac97/WINAPP/CHLFE.WAV'.
[05:52] <Se7h> Audio codec '0x0' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies
[05:52] <Se7h> i've tried to run a wav from my sound card driver
[05:52] <Se7h> used for test
[05:53] <crimsun> Se7h: what about via aplay?
[05:53] <Se7h> hum?
[05:55] <kewlman> just installed ubuntu! pretty nice!
[05:56] <pepsi> its howdy doody time
[05:57] <doubletwist> rockin'... just got xfce4.2beta3 compiled...
[05:57] <crimsun> beta?
[05:57] <crimsun> do you mean RC?
[05:57] <doubletwist> yeah
[05:57] <doubletwist> er, yeah
[05:57] <doubletwist> doh
[05:57] <crimsun> it's nice
[05:58] <doubletwist> I really like it.
[05:58] <doubletwist> They're starting to fix some of the few things that bothered me about xfce
[05:58] <kewlman> xfce is faster too right compared to gnome and kde
[05:58] <doubletwist> it certainly feels faster to me.
[05:58] <doubletwist> And takes up less ram.
[05:59] <doubletwist> Although I do still use nautilus --no-desktop as the file manager.
[05:59] <doubletwist> xffm kinda sucks.
[05:59] <crimsun> I use rox-filer and gentoo.
[06:00] <doubletwist> oooh, it's got a new xfsamba app... it's working pretty well.
[06:00] <jmhodges> ok yeah, i can burn with nautilus but i can't find the burner with cdrecord -scanbus
[06:01] <jmhodges> i really want to copy this audio cd (i snagged the .wavs already.. just need to burn) but i dont believe i can do that with nautilus
[06:01] <crimsun> jmhodges: don't use -scanbus
[06:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i grep all the files in a directory for containing some phrase?
[06:02] <jmhodges> crimsun: then what should i use?
[06:02] <crimsun> jmhodges: use /dev/hdX directly
[06:02] <jmhodges> ahhh ok
[06:02] <doubletwist> grep PHRASE *
[06:02] <crimsun> jmhodges: -dev=/dev/hdc for instance
[06:02] <doubletwist> or grep -r PHRASE *
[06:02] <doubletwist> if you want it to drill down recursively.
[06:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> grep thanks
[06:03] <crimsun> might want to add -nH, too
[06:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> where do i specify the directory?
[06:03] <crimsun> that way you get a file and a line number
[06:03] <doubletwist> grep PHRASE /whatever/dir/you/want/*
[06:05] <IBOIC> i have a question regarding ubuntu
[06:05] <IBOIC> any cannocal people here?
[06:05] <crimsun> there are many
[06:05] <IBOIC> ok :)
[06:05] <crimsun> might not answer immediately, but that's no worry
[06:05] <IBOIC> ill shoot
[06:05] <IBOIC> see ubuntu is an african based distro
[06:06] <IBOIC> i mean
[06:06] <doubletwist> oh wow.. xfce 4.2rc3 has a nice little find utility. Can search by filename or by content.
[06:06] <IBOIC> see one of the problems in africa is computing infrastructure and the like
[06:06] <IBOIC> especially in the third world
[06:07] <IBOIC> well i fergot what i was thinkin
[06:07] <doubletwist> hehe
[06:07] <crimsun> our distro's fearless leader (Mark Shuttleworth) is contributing greatly to create infrastructure to use FLOSS
[06:07] <IBOIC> yep
[06:08] <IBOIC> crimsun:  Whats sad is i was speaking to nigerians on yahoo small business forums
[06:08] <IBOIC> i mean they still keep scamming for money cause they are poor
[06:08] <IBOIC> i think shuttleworth is doing more than gates in that area IMHO
[06:09] <IBOIC> even though gates donated 100 mil which is chump change
[06:09] <doubletwist> Our receptionist is from Kenya. I'll have to ask her about the computing there.
[06:09] <znalo> hm the name is african. a xhosa word
[06:09] <IBOIC> gates still wants to dominate
[06:09] <doubletwist> All I know so far is that if it every hits 50deg F, they don't go to work because it's too cold.
[06:09] <crimsun> one can think of it in terms of priorities: FLOSS infrastructure pales in comparison to basic hygiene, sustenance, etc.
[06:09] <IBOIC> i like the whole concept of ubuntu
[06:09] <IBOIC> :P
[06:09] <IBOIC> crimsum:  Im poor in the usa
[06:10] <crimsun> but you're in the USA. That's a _huge_ difference.
[06:10] <IBOIC> but its the usa so poor here is better than anywhere else in the world
[06:10] <IBOIC> yeah
[06:10] <IBOIC> exactly
[06:10] <IBOIC> i have cablemodem, p4 computer, blah blah
[06:10] <IBOIC> and tiny studio apartment
[06:10] <IBOIC> with doorman tho :)
[06:10] <IBOIC> heh
[06:10] <znalo> big moves in venezuela spain and brasil towards floss...  brazil could be especially relevant to bits of africa (mozambique/angola/namibia) cause of the portugese
[06:10] <IBOIC> they dont even have running water or toilets
[06:11] <IBOIC> or modern medicine
[06:11] <daniels> (offtopic)
[06:11] <IBOIC> well
[06:11] <IBOIC> getting back to the ubuntu part
[06:11] <IBOIC> uhmmm
[06:11] <crimsun> [#ubuntu-offtopic, that is] 
[06:12] <IBOIC> lol
[06:13] <IBOIC> wow
[06:13] <IBOIC> hoary livecd is finally in alpha?
[06:13] <IBOIC> when did i miss that?
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[06:13] <IBOIC> thanks ubuntu
[06:13] <IBOIC> going to download and burn
[06:14] <Vaportrail> I can't lower the volume, any hints?
[06:15] <Vaportrail> sis onboard card
[06:15] <HrdwrBoB> volume control?
[06:15] <Vaportrail> yes
[06:16] <Vaportrail> only totem-xine does it
[06:19] <tritium> I can't put my orinoco_cs card into Monitor mode.  The latest modules should have the monitor mode pathc.
[06:19] <tritium> patch
[06:20] <doubletwist> what does ubuntu use to automount usb drives and such? Is that part of gnome, or nautilus or something else that controls/deals with that? I ask because I'd like to use xfce, but still have things auto mounted.
[06:20] <crimsun> doubletwist: hal+gnome-volume-manager{+pmount}
[06:21] <crimsun> doubletwist: btw, xfce4rc has something similar, so you should be able to use it similarly
[06:22] <doubletwist> does it? Ihaven't seen anything like that.
[06:23] <Vaportrail> weird, most people can't get any sound on the same soundcard like me, and I can't soften the sound so my head bursts on every sound event :(
[06:23] <poof> Wings 3d runs very nice in Ubuntu, why is it not in the APT list?
[06:24] <tritium> Are the ubuntu orinoco_cs modules still not patched for monitor mode?
[06:24] <crimsun> poof: I see it in hoary/universe and in sid/main
[06:26] <alxx> hello
[06:29] <crimsun> 'lo alxx
[06:29] <poof> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:29] <poof> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:29] <poof> E: Couldn't find package wings3d
[06:29] <poof> 0o
[06:29] <poof> Oh well, it works fine from install file :)
[06:29] <crimsun> poof: it might not be in 'universe' or 'multiverse'
[06:30] <poof> I cant see it
[06:30] <alxx> Hello, just installed warty preview and wondered if possible connect to internet with a modem
[06:31] <grepper> alxx, is it a hardware modem ?
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> there's a new driver for the synaptics or alps touchpads found on laptops
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> man is it cool
[06:31] <alxx> yes
[06:32] <grepper> should be fine then
[06:32] <grepper> of course you will need an ISP  :)
[06:32] <doubletwist> crimsun I can't find anything on automounting capability in xfce42. Got a link I can check out?
[06:32] <alxx> problem I'm used to Kppp
[06:32] <crimsun> doubletwist: the dev mailing list.
[06:33] <Rene_S> Hi, I running Warty and I don't have any problems .... :(
[06:34] <alxx> Cannot find any modem dialer
[06:34] <crimsun> alxx: you'll find this link helpful: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupModemHowto
[06:35] <thully> Hi - I had a few questions about Ubuntu - first of all, does KDE on Warty work well?
[06:35] <crimsun> it works fine.
[06:35] <crimsun> 3.2ish
[06:35] <alxx> I'll go and see right away cause I searched for mdem in their database with no result
[06:36] <Se7h> crimsun think i got it
[06:36] <alxx> I think I must be regisered to use the wiki
[06:36] <Se7h> its the PCM that's to low
[06:36] <crimsun> alxx: nope, anyone can browse
[06:36] <thully> Yes, I like Ubuntu - but I want to have KDE - tried other debian-based distros w/KDE, and they all failed simply because they used the debian trees w/custom packages which had some known breakage w/the debian pools
[06:37] <alxx> Ok i go for it thank you
[06:37] <Se7h> how can i get a higher volume on PCM ?
[06:38] <crimsun> Se7h: is it set to max? if so, I don't know of any other way.
[06:39] <crimsun> [unless -- you use 1.0.8rc2, which has a software mixer plugin] 
[06:39] <netsniper> Anyone running a laptop with widescreen and having some issues?
[06:39] <Se7h> crimsun yes, at least at volume control it is
[06:39] <tritium> My PCM goes to 11
[06:39] <Se7h> can i control it somewhere else?
[06:39] <netsniper> Gnome Frequency scaling panel applet is doing very weird things, like showing negative numbers
[06:40] <Se7h> tritium where is that "11" ?
[06:40] <tritium> :)
[06:40] <netsniper> Anyone know how to change my CPU speed on my lappy, seems to be locked at 800 Mhz
[06:41] <thully> Hi - does anyone know where I can get an up-to-date kernel w/software suspend that works on warty - I really don't want to go to hoary or compile my own kernels (it's not the compilation, but tracking all the security updates etc)
[06:41] <netsniper> thully, i have same issues
[06:42] <netsniper> actually all kernels including 2.6.10 are vuln to remote attack right now
[06:42] <crimsun> local attack, I thought.
[06:42] <crimsun> and yes, there will be errata kernels very shortly.
[06:42] <netsniper> the ELF vuln you're thinking of
[06:43] <netsniper> there is another one in IGMP packets
[06:43] <Se7h> crimsun check just one more thing here..
[06:43] <crimsun> netsniper: yeah, known.
[06:44] <Rene_S> hmm i wish someone would right like a kappfinder for gnome
[06:44] <Se7h> for ie
[06:44] <Se7h> Simple mixer control 'Line-In As Rear',0
[06:44] <Se7h>   Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined
[06:44] <Se7h>   Playback channels: Mono
[06:44] <Se7h>   Mono: Playback [on] 
[06:44] <Se7h> all mixers control have those 3 lines
   Playback channels: Mono
[06:45] <Se7h> wasn't it suppose to be != mono
[06:45] <netsniper> Rene_S, what do you mean?
[06:45] <Se7h> ?
[06:45] <thully> what's this software mixer in ALSA 1.0.8rc2 that I saw someone talking about in here?
[06:45] <Cam-> can anyone point me to a howto, of installing hoary?
[06:46] <Cam-> i would like to test some hardware.
[06:46] <thully> Cam- - do you have warty installed, or do you want to install clean?
[06:46] <Rene_S> If you use kde you get kappfinder which finds apps that dont show up on the menu's right away, (most of the time), I wish there was something like that for gnome
[06:46] <Se7h> Cam- check ubuntus wiki
[06:46] <alxx> whois crimsun
[06:46] <Se7h> lol
[06:46] <thully> if you want to install clean, you can download a snapshot ISO cd
[06:46] <thully> of hoary
[06:46] <crimsun> thully: some cmi codecs lack volume register
 what's this software mixer in ALSA 1.0.8rc2 that I saw someone talking about in here? o.0
[06:46] <crimsun> thully: instead they have only a binary toggle for on/off
[06:47] <crimsun> thully: the software volume control was written specifically with those in mind
[06:47] <Cam-> thully: clean install would be preferable.
[06:47] <netsniper> Rene_S, if you installed the app wouldn't you know what to execute?
[06:47] <thully> OK, I just heard "software mixer" and wondered if it might be multichannel emulation
[06:47] <Se7h> crimsun wasn't that for me ?
[06:47] <Rene_S> Yeah, but sometimes I forget what I installed :)
[06:48] <crimsun> Se7h: no, that was for thully
[06:48] <netsniper> lol, dpkg ?
[06:48] <Se7h> oh ok
[06:48] <Rene_S> or what the comand was for apps i use infrequently
[06:48] <crimsun> thully: sorry, I meant "software volume control," not "software mixer"
[06:48] <crimsun> brain a bit muddled, haven't slept in 50 hours
[06:48] <alxx> to crimsun I went and checked the wiki for modem connection and indeed found a full page of info so I think I will find my way around thanks again
[06:48] <Se7h> erm, from 5.1 i can only get the "center"
[06:48] <netsniper> Rene_S, command completion helps :-)
[06:48] <Se7h> rear and front r extremely low on volume
[06:48] <Rene_S> i know i am getting used to it now
[06:48] <crimsun> alxx: np, g'luck.
[06:49] <netsniper> i love linux !!
[06:49] <alxx> leave
[06:49] <alxx> quit
[06:49] <Guardiann> hmm appears that i have upgraded to hoary
[06:49] <Se7h> netsniper we all do :>
[06:49] <alxx> #quit
[06:49] <netsniper> alxx: type `/quit`
[06:50] <Rene_S> If I had one complaint about linux or rather Ubuntu is that it works too well, makes it hard to tinker
[06:50] <netsniper> im reading "Just for fun", seems good so far (bio of Linus)
[06:50] <Cam-> does anyone here have a usb keyboard working with grub?
[06:50] <netsniper> Rene_S, there could be some improvements
[06:50] <crimsun> Rene_S: there are all sorts of interesting ways in which to break a Linux system
[06:50] <Guardiann> bed time see you guys
[06:50] <thully> Cam- try http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GettingUbuntu - download the "Array 2" image
[06:51] <netsniper> like with the widescreen laptops that have the IRQ hogging issues (timer pin)
[06:51] <Rene_S> I know there are, however I prefer them to be broken at the outset, seems rather wrong to break something on purpose
[06:51] <Se7h> oh, one more thing. At VLC on "ALSA audio output -> ALSA device name: default"
[06:51] <Se7h> "default" ?!
[06:51] <Rene_S> :)
[06:51] <crimsun> Se7h: yes, default.
[06:51] <Se7h> ok
[06:51] <netsniper> If you want to lose your mind for a few months try Gentoo, then come back here after you get sick of it :-)
[06:52] <Rene_S> Nah, I went through a bout of BSD Installitis
[06:52] <thully> It seems like Ubuntu is the only really viable debian-based distro
[06:52] <binReapr> greetings
[06:52] <crimsun> Se7h: you could, of course, redefine pcm.!default { type plug slave.pcm "surround51" } ctl.!default { type hw card 0 }
[06:52] <binReapr> hey ogra, are you there?
[06:52] <crimsun> Se7h: and then everything goes to 5.1 by default
[06:52] <netsniper> Rene_S, i've never tried BSD, is it worth it - what was your experience?
[06:52] <thully> because others just put a few non-standard packages on top of testing/unstable and can be, well, a bit unstable
[06:53] <binReapr> Im happy, finally I got ubuntu running on my lap =D
[06:53] <Rene_S> If you need a server style os its really nice, as a desktop it works well, but I find the package management a tad gentoo like, as in its better to compile things
[06:53] <Se7h> crimsun "everything goes" like...instead of stereo for ie ?
[06:53] <Rene_S> but it is very stable, and responsive
[06:53] <crimsun> Se7h: ja
[06:54] <crimsun> Se7h: obviously you'll get best results with files created with 5.1 in mind
[06:54] <netsniper> binReapr, you got a widescreen lappy?
[06:54] <Se7h> well...i would do that if i had my rear/front channels higher
[06:54] <crimsun> Se7h: but the conffile is fairly flexible
[06:54] <Rene_S> Its just a tad different than Linux so some people who try can't get past that part
[06:54] <binReapr> and made it detect my broadcom wifi card but, hehe, I have a problem, :P I need to load a little app called rfswitch so I can activate my laptop wifi radio
[06:54] <binReapr> but dont know how :/
[06:55] <thully> I tried MEPIS - I don't see why it is so much higher than Ubuntu on distrowatch
[06:55] <Rene_S> it does have a linux emulation layer in it, although I have never used it
[06:55] <doubletwist> crimsun Well, I couldn't find anything about automount in the dev list. But I did get it to work.
[06:56] <doubletwist> by having xfce start gnome-volume-manager. ANd since nautilus is my defaulf filemanager, it works fine.
[06:56] <doubletwist> Perhaps not an optimal solution, but it works for now.
[06:56] <binReapr> can someone help me please, I need to load a file called av5100.c is a module I think but dont know how to
[06:56] <doubletwist> modprobe av5100
[06:56] <Rene_S> All in all BSD is a worthwhile learning experience, however you mileage may vary
[06:57] <netsniper> binReapr, `modprobe av5100`
[06:57] <binReapr> I did that but it says FATAL : Module av5100 not found
[06:58] <Rene_S> damn, the hard part about being a genius is that your keyboard doesn't care
[06:58] <binReapr> I need to install it, compilet or something?
[06:58] <binReapr> compile it
[06:58] <netsniper> binReapr, you need to have that module compiled somewhere to be able to load it
[06:59] <binReapr> and what command I use?
[06:59] <binReapr> I need to buy a linux commands book
[07:00] <netsniper> binReapr, try man
[07:01] <binReapr> ok, in the readme it says something like % dd if=/dev/mem bs=1 skip=983040 count65535 2>/dev/null | strings | egrep "AVERTEC" what tha hell is that? I write that?
[07:03] <netsniper> dd is the disk dump command, if= means input file, 2> means error output
[07:03] <binReapr> thnx
[07:03] <binReapr> Im doing some reading, this linux thing is great =)
[07:03] <jmhodges> ok this command: sudo cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdd -audio *.wav  appears to do nothing
[07:04] <netsniper> egrep is like grep, whish is the GNU regular expressions parser
[07:04] <binReapr> I have winxp running on a little window where it is harmless, heheheeeee
[07:04] <jmhodges> cdrecord sees what type of cd-r is in the drive, etc.. this is the last message printed: cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 0 times full, min fill was 0%.
[07:04] <binReapr> there it an crash as many times as he likes, HA
[07:06] <netsniper> jmhodges, i think the *.wav par tis killing you
[07:06] <doubletwist> Ok, without trying to manually transcode it, is there an EASY way in Ubuntu [or linux in general]  to convert a divx avi file into an mpeg2 that I can burn to a video dvd?
[07:06] <jmhodges> netsniper: wha? why would that kill me?
[07:06] <jmhodges> theres a bunch of wav files right here
[07:06] <jmhodges> and even the manpage says that globs are ok
[07:06] <doubletwist> I've spent 2 nights trying to transcode this avi file and everything I tried failed miserably.
[07:07] <binReapr> ok, the gcc is the compiler right?
[07:07] <netsniper> jmhodges, i think -audio optiont only takes OONE WAV FILE!
[07:07] <jmhodges> wha?
[07:07] <doubletwist> what's the point? :)
[07:08] <netsniper> jmhodges, or maybe it is not in correct red book format?
[07:08] <netsniper> doubletwist, ther eis a frontend for transcode
[07:08] <jmhodges> netsniper: according to the cdrecord manpage, you're wrong
[07:08] <jmhodges> To record a mixedmode CD with an ISO 9660 filesystem from cdimage.raw on the  first
[07:08] <jmhodges>        track,  the  other  tracks  being  audio  tracks  from  the  files  track01.cdaudio,
[07:08] <jmhodges>        track02.cdaudio, etc:
[07:08] <jmhodges>            cdrecord -v dev=2,0 cdimage.raw -audio track*.cdaudio
[07:08] <jmhodges> fuck, sorry
[07:09] <binReapr> I instaslled it =D
[07:10] <netsniper> jmhodges, why not just use k3b to simplify your process?
[07:10] <doubletwist> netsniper I'm familiar with dvdrip, but I can only get that to work if I rip a dvd [or have a dvd VOB file] . Which if I had that, I wouldn't need to convert it to burn it to dvd :)
[07:10] <jmhodges> netsniper: low on diskspace, and dont want to deal with the massive kde depends
[07:11] <binReapr> ok, now, if it doesnt works, how can I uninstall the bastard?
[07:11] <netsniper> jmhodges, then try making an image first?
[07:11] <jmhodges> netsniper: aren't iso's only for data discs?
[07:11] <Rene_S> is evms really necessary on just a desktop computer ?
[07:11] <netsniper> jmhodges, i wouldnt think so
[07:12] <netsniper> if I ddump an audio cd to an iso, i can still burn it as an image file
[07:12] <jmhodges> well, considering cdrecord has both a -data option and an -audio option and theres no mention of using .iso for audio filoes when i google, i don think so..
[07:12] <netsniper> doubletwist, try gtranscode
[07:12] <netsniper> it is the gtk fe for transcode
[07:13] <crimsun> jmhodges: you could use a bin+cue and cdrdao
[07:13] <jmhodges> crimsun: eh?
[07:13] <regeya> I actually read a comment on ubuntuforums from someone claiming to not want to use k3b because of the default kde look-and-feel.
[07:14] <binReapr> can b3b be installed on ubuntu?
[07:14] <zenwhen> Thats why I don't use it.
[07:14] <binReapr> k3b
[07:14] <Rene_S> thats silly
[07:14] <zenwhen> I cant stand anything done with QT.
[07:14] <Rene_S> however there is gnomebaker
[07:15] <zenwhen> Well i use it ocassionally.
[07:15] <zenwhen> But I avoid t at all costs.
[07:15] <netsniper> binReapr, k3b is installed here on my system
[07:16] <netsniper> so yes, its good for clicking around and not hasseling with command line options for a quick burn
[07:16] <crimsun> there's also graveman
[07:16] <crimsun> if you're looking for a gtk2 ui
[07:16] <netsniper> especially when I want to burn about 200 MP3 files in a multitude of directories that I don't know off the top of my head...i can click around and drop them in -)
[07:17] <crimsun> jmhodges: the bin+cue & cdrdao reference is to create a bin+cue set of the audio
[07:17] <jmhodges> crimsun: hmm. .neverdone that before
[07:17] <srid> which package plays wav files?
[07:17] <binReapr> ok, Im new to all of this, I have used suse , mandrake and now ubuntu and I really like it, but, is possible then to use kde apps in the gnome environment?
[07:17] <srid> i remember the 'play' command line tool .. but forgot the package name
[07:17] <netsniper> srid, xmms?
[07:17] <srid> Netminder, command line tool (i am content with rhythmbox)
[07:18] <srid> bad tab completion
[07:18] <srid> netsniper, i need command line tool
[07:18] <crimsun> srid: for ALSA, use aplay.
[07:19] <srid> crimsun, i get error
[07:19] <srid> aplay: test_wavefile:689: can't play not PCM-coded WAVE-files
[07:19] <srid> i tried playing .wav files
[07:19] <crimsun> srid: are they actual .wav files?
[07:19] <srid> crimsun, ok that error occurs only for a particular wav file
[07:19] <srid> others play fine
[07:19] <netsniper> srid, you can also use mplayer
[07:20] <srid> netsniper, i am content with totem :D
[07:20] <netsniper> you dont need to run mplayer with a gui
[07:20] <exlt> binReapr - certainly - just install what you would like to use - I use neither gnome nor kde, but use apps from both in fluxbox
[07:20] <netsniper> srid, you asked for a command line player
[07:21] <binReapr> wow, that is excellent!
[07:21] <jintonic> could i do a windows share on linux?
[07:21] <srid> netsniper, i got it 'aplay'
[07:21] <netsniper> binReapr, ?
[07:21] <srid> netsniper, i asked for command line player for plaing wav files
[07:21] <netsniper> mplayer does that :-)
[07:21] <binReapr> if I could just figure out how to turn my damn rf switch on so I canacces the internet all would be perfect
[07:22] <thully> I'm happy that I finally figured out how to get warty's fonts looking as good as hoary's - the secret, autohinter - it's on in Hoary by default but off in Warty
[07:22] <netsniper> binReapr, did rfswitch work?
[07:22] <izaac> srid: use an ncurses one loke cplay
[07:22] <izaac> like*
[07:23] <srid> hoary is really much broken than 'sid'
[07:23] <izaac> is because gnome
[07:23] <netsniper> is there better laptop support in Hoary?
[07:23] <srid> izaac, yes, gnome2.9 .. is doing lot of bad things .. i need to fix it manually
[07:23] <jintonic> hoary fubar'd my perfectly setup warty system
[07:23] <srid> sometimes badly by deleting my gnome configurations (gconf)
[07:24] <srid> fubar?
[07:24] <jintonic> yes
[07:24] <jintonic> fubar == fucked up beyond all recognition
[07:24] <netsniper> a five word acronym describing..yeah what he said
[07:24] <srid> hmm
[07:25] <binReapr> no, it didnt work, I'm receiving wireless because ndiswrapper worked flawlessly but until I cant turn on the switch of my laptop is of no use, why didn't they put a damn button as it sgould be
[07:25] <jintonic> yeah, nothing worked after i installed whoary
[07:25] <srid> somebody needs to put hoary experiences in the wiki
[07:25] <Rene_S> hmm looks like i am gonna wait on that hoary upgrade after all :)
[07:25] <jintonic> it'd take a minute to load
[07:26] <izaac> or only the recommended upgrades from hoary to warty
[07:26] <srid> I recommend the maintainers to create seperate branch between 'warty' and 'hoary' that is close to 'hoary' and as stable as debian/sid
[07:26] <izaac> pinning the apt
[07:26] <jintonic> rene: good idea, i am
[07:26] <thully> as far as suspend, yes - but I've gone back to warty because hoary's too unstable (both in system stability and # of changes)
[07:26] <binReapr> how good is this app called x-cd-roast?
[07:26] <izaac> srid: it is there, is called backports
[07:27] <thully> I'm back on warty - but I miss the software suspend being built in to the kernel
[07:27] <srid> But woary is only updated once in 6 months :(
[07:27] <Se7h> crimsun sorry to bother u so much
[07:27] <srid> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:27] <srid>   k3b: Depends: k3blibs (>= 0.11.18) but it is not going to be installed
[07:27] <srid> E: Broken packages
[07:27] <Se7h> but only one more
[07:27] <Se7h> http://homepage3.nifty.com/StudioBreeze/software/bin/README-cmictl
[07:28] <LLM> just got ubuntu setup, i need to know where the plugins folder for firefox is (i desperately need flash player)
[07:28] <srid> izaac, backports?
[07:28] <izaac> yep
[07:28] <srid> LLM, install "flashplayer-mozilla"
[07:28] <izaac> it releases popular software from hoary to warty
[07:28] <LLM> how? im new to linux
[07:28] <izaac> if it is stable yet
[07:29] <thully> warty is MUCh better than woody, though - and not thatmuch more out-of-date than Mandrake,SuSE,Fedora etc
[07:29] <izaac> sorry enough*
[07:29] <binReapr> hoary is the beta and watry the release??
[07:29] <srid> LLM, read www.ubuntuguide.org (read the flash player section)
[07:29] <LLM> k thanks
[07:29] <jintonic> LLM: go to applications > system tools > terminal and run: sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[07:30] <srid> izaac, you mean http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ ?
[07:30] <izaac> yep
[07:31] <srid> izaac, looks like not all packages are there
[07:31] <srid> i need python-gnome2-extras for eg.
[07:31] <LLM> cant find the package
[07:31] <jmhodges> well, xcdroast had the magic
[07:31] <srid> NOTE: any ubuntu user (not package maintainer) using 'hoary' here??
[07:31] <jmhodges> i dont know what that magic is
[07:31] <jmhodges> but i like it
[07:31] <izaac> try hoary pinning with /etc/apt/preferences
[07:31] <jmhodges> srid: yep
[07:32] <srid> jmhodges, just now i switched to hoary ... you have anything to tell me?
[07:32] <jmhodges> yeah, be careful with updates :)
[07:32] <srid> izaac, ok .. will try
[07:32] <jmhodges> look over them carefully :)
[07:32] <srid> jmhodges, i am planning to use dist-upgrade twice in a week
[07:32] <srid> or possibly once in a day
[07:32] <jmhodges> nd watch the hoary-changes mail archive
[07:32] <LLM> i followed the command on the guide, but it told me that it couldnt find that package
[07:32] <srid> hmm
[07:33] <srid> jmhodges, hoary-changes is heavy traffic list?
[07:33] <LLM> ive downloaded the plugin already
[07:33] <regeya> hoary pinning == evil
[07:33] <srid> LLM, follow from steps 1 to n
[07:33] <doubletwist> I'm using hoary as well for an amd64. Plus a few self-compiled packages.
[07:33] <jmhodges> srid: i just have the archive bookmarked..
[07:33] <srid> LLM, you need to add extra sources
[07:33] <jintonic> LLM: that's because you need to uncomment (take the # off the start of the line) deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe and deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:34] <regeya> when I tried it, I had troubles with upgrades, packages not wanting to install even when I specified a repository, etc.  *shudder*  'course I also threw crap like marillat into the mix.
[07:35] <srid> jmhodges, I only see 'Accepted' posts there .. how is it helpful?
[07:36] <srid> jmhodges, how frequently you upgrade hoary?
[07:36] <jmhodges> srid: every other day, sometimes more sometimes less
[07:37] <jmhodges> srid: hoary-changes is the list of changes in hoary
[07:37] <jmhodges> its not a discussion list
[07:37] <srid> jmhodges, it is much better to use rss from - http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[07:38] <srid> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[07:38] <srid> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/newpkg_main
[07:39] <thully> My laptop seems to be more hot in Warty than in Hoary - what do you think is going on?  ACPI/Speedstep is on and working (I checked the speed, and it adjusts as CPU load changes)
[07:42] <LLM> ive installed the plugin, but now when i go to a site with flash movies, the movies dont load
[07:43] <LLM> still telling me that its transferring data from the site
[07:44] <jsc> im trying to get ncurses to work on a new install of ubuntu ... make menuconfig says that ncurses is not installed.... the libs and nucrses-base are installed.... any ideas?
[07:51] <calamari-> hi
[07:51] <binReapr> I give up =/
[07:51] <calamari-> what key combo do I press to specify EOF?
[07:52] <calamari-> doesn't seem to be either Ctrl-D or Ctrl-Z
[07:54] <fellow> anyone there?
[07:54] <doubletwist> calamari- could be entering a '.' on a line by itself [like mail] 
[07:54] <jmob> calamari-: what are you trying to do?
[07:55] <calamari-> hmm.. maybe it is Ctrl-D.. that worked with cat
[07:55] <fellow> Does Ubuntu do network installs like debian? My old laptop's cd drive is gone, and I want to install from the internet, even if it takes a weekend.
[07:57] <izaac> xcdroast works fine?
[07:57] <Se7h> checking for gtk-config... no
[07:57] <Se7h> checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.0... no
[07:57] <Se7h> o.0
[07:57] <izaac> with kernel 2.6 i mean
[07:58] <jmhodges> ok found an error
[07:58] <jmhodges> i can burn just fine with xcdroast
[07:58] <jmhodges> nautilus tosses me this error:
[07:59] <izaac> jmhodges: and audio cds?
[07:59] <bob2> fellow: you'd need to use pxe, but yes
[07:59] <jmhodges> izaac: nope, this time its an iso
[08:00] <izaac> alright
[08:00] <jmhodges> http://www.pastebin.com/226366
[08:00] <fellow> bob2: I've found some docs if I have a tftp server on a local net, but I want it to get the packages from an internet source.
[08:00] <jmhodges> its a similar error from my attempts with cdrecord earlier.. but in the final line it was "0 times full" instead of "1 times full" i belive
[08:00] <bob2> Se7h: install build-essential and gnome-devel
[08:00] <bob2> fellow: yes
[08:01] <bob2> fellow: you need to have the installer stuff available locally, tho, since tftp only works on the local network
[08:01] <bob2> fellow: all the packages will be downloaded from the internet
[08:02] <Vaportrail> ha, got dmix working well without crackling :)
[08:03] <Se7h> bob2 gnome-core-devel will not install
[08:03] <jmhodges> weird.. even though its a plextor 48xand the cd-rs claim to be 52x its only able to work at <24x it seems
[08:03] <Se7h> im gonna try hoary repository if thats ok
[08:03] <jmhodges> thats f'edup
[08:03] <bob2> Se7h: er, it will install on warty
[08:03] <Se7h> yes
[08:03] <Se7h> i know
[08:03] <bob2> you're using hoary?
[08:03] <Se7h> no
[08:03] <fellow> bob2: Thanks for the help with this. Is it difficult to setup the tftp server? I have a Mac OS X machine.
[08:04] <bob2> fellow: I don't know how hard it is in on mac os X, or if the Free tftp servers work on it
[08:04] <bob2> I'd assum so
[08:04] <Se7h> rm
[08:04] <Se7h> it will remove libnautilus2-2
[08:04] <fellow> Thanks a lot! I'll give it a try.
[08:05] <darmou> Thanks for your help before crimsun, I still can't get the module to build for the correct kernal but at least I'm most of the way there thanks to you:)
[08:07] <Se7h> isn't gnome-core-devel available for warty ?
[08:08] <Seabook> Hello all.
[08:08] <Se7h> bob2 isn't gnome-core-devel available for warty ?
[08:09] <bob2> of course
[08:11] <jintonic> available... doesn't mean it'll work :P
[08:12] <bob2> it's installable in warty
[08:14] <darmou> has anyone had any problems upgrading to hoary?
[08:14] <jintonic> yup
[08:15] <darmou> jintonic what problem did you have?
[08:16] <jintonic> umm... some sound library failed to update, it broke all kinds of stuff, including xorg
[08:16] <Se7h> bob2
[08:16] <jintonic> and something else
[08:16] <Se7h> gnome-devel:
[08:16] <Se7h>  Depends: gnome-core-devel but it is not going to be installed
[08:16] <Se7h> :|
[08:16] <bob2> Se7h: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[08:16] <Se7h> just a min
[08:16] <jintonic> and postfix was broken too, which broke pretty much everything
[08:17] <bob2> welcome to unstable!
[08:17] <jintonic> yeah! :P
[08:17] <darmou> so how did you recover?
[08:17] <jintonic> reinstalled warty :)
[08:18] <darmou> ouch
[08:18] <Se7h> bob2 there it is
[08:18] <bob2> that's all?
[08:18] <Se7h> y
[08:19] <bob2> when did you last change your sources.list?
[08:19] <Se7h> dunno
[08:19] <Se7h> never probably
[08:19] <Se7h> lol
[08:20] <bob2> ie, you had it pointing at hoary at some point, right?
[08:20] <Se7h> hmm
[08:20] <bob2> well, paste the full output of 'sudo apt-get install gnome-core-devel' to #flood
[08:20] <Se7h> just changed "warty" to "hoary"
[08:20] <bob2> er?
[08:20] <Se7h> w8
[08:21] <jintonic> ok, w8 is pretty damn lazy... only 2 characters more
[08:21] <darmou> Se7h how did you go?
[08:22] <Se7h> there
[08:22] <Se7h> darmou wha?
[08:22] <bob2> Se7h: and did you just change your sources.list?
[08:23] <Se7h> i just said i haven't
[08:23] <bob2> not ever?
[08:23] <Se7h> no
[08:23] <Se7h> should i ?
[08:23] <bob2> no
[08:23] <bob2> I don't know what could have caused this then, it's installable for everyone else
[08:24] <Seabook> Has anybody built and installed GnuCash in Ubuntu?
[08:24] <Se7h> bob2 what is ?
[08:24] <bob2> gnome-core-devel
[08:25] <Se7h> wel
[08:25] <Se7h> not for me
[08:25] <Se7h> lol
[08:25] <Se7h> how many repositorys u have?
[08:26] <bob2> that's not the issue
[08:26] <bob2> try asking on the user list, maybe someone can guess what happened
[08:28] <Se7h> oh man
[08:28] <Se7h> it's 7.28am
[08:28] <Se7h> think i need some rest now
[08:29] <binReapr> hey, I tried to install k3b and it asks for kde-config
[08:29] <Se7h> lol
[08:29] <binReapr> is ther a workaround?
[08:29] <bob2> by install you mean "compile"
[08:29] <binReapr> yeah
[08:29] <bob2> you install kde-devel or whatever it is
[08:29] <bob2> but k3b is already in ubuntu
[08:29] <binReapr> ?? where I can't see it
[08:30] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:30] <bob2> enable universe
[08:30] <binReapr> thats for me?
[08:30] <bob2> yes
[08:30] <binReapr> ok
[08:31] <binReapr> it will not requiere internec connection right?
[08:31] <bob2> of course it will
[08:31] <bob2> you're downloading software off the interne
[08:31] <bob2> t
[08:31] <binReapr> no, hehehe I mean
[08:31] <binReapr> my linux dont have internet... yet, IM on my wife winblows box now
[08:33] <Vaportrail> may somebody tell me in which file you could set firefox if it uses esd,oss,alsa...?
[08:34] <crimsun> Vaportrail: please read the Sound section of /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox/README.Debian
[08:34] <Vaportrail> crimsun thx
[08:36] <binReapr> if I compile and install a module, program, how can it be uninstalled? from synaptic?
[08:37] <bob2> no
[08:37] <bob2> either don't do it, or make sure they only dump stuff into /usr/local/whatever/
[08:37] <crimsun> binReapr: if you compiled from source yourself and installed it into a system-wide location, it is not registered with dpkg, and thus you can't use package tools to remove it
[08:38] <binReapr> ok, but I can remove it manually then? erasing folders and files myself?
[08:38] <bob2> yes, but make sure it only installs stuff to *one* directory, like /usr/local/whatever
[08:39] <binReapr> I see, thnx
[08:39] <binReapr> ok, so now, I download the kde dev package and compilet on my linux box?
[08:39] <binReapr> compile it
[08:40] <bob2> no
[08:40] <bob2> you install it from ubuntu's apt repositories
[08:40] <bob2> same with k3b
[08:40] <binReapr> I see, so, it can't be done manually then
[08:41] <bob2> it can, but it's a huge pain in the arse
[08:41] <bob2> and there's no point, judging fro mwhat you've said
[08:41] <binReapr> ok
[08:42] <bob2> why do you want to compile k3b from source?
[08:42] <binReapr> Im learning =)
[08:43] <binReapr> if I could just enable this damn wifi button on my laptop
[08:43] <binReapr> everything would be a lot easier
[08:44] <bob2> your laptop's wireless chipset isn't supported?
[08:44] <bob2> what is it?
[08:44] <binReapr> I have made it work with ndiswrapper, but now I cannot make the laptop to turn on the switch that gives access to the wireless card
[08:45] <binReapr> because is not a hardware button is a Fn+F2 button
[08:46] <binReapr> I have googled and nothing, I found a post on anandtech of a guy with my same lap, an emachines m6810 taht found a workaround but he is not in the forums anymore
[08:47] <bob2> have you asked on the list?
[08:48] <binReapr> on the what?
[08:49] <bob2> user list
[08:49] <nicedreams> has anyone have problems loading x after this upgrade tonight from the repositories?
[08:49] <bob2> the mailing list
[08:50] <crimsun> nicedreams: nope, works fine here.
[08:50] <binReapr> I think this guy isn't a member anymore
[08:50] <bob2> ignore this guy
[08:53] <nicedreams> pidfile  $PIDFILE  --name gdm $SSD_ARG >/dev/nul  2>&1
[08:53] <nicedreams> what does this mean?
[08:53] <nicedreams> i get this error when trying to load gdm
[08:54] <binReapr> nope, is not there anymore
[08:54] <nicedreams> quit
[08:54] <nicedreams> quit
[08:59] <broodster> could someone tell me how to delete a database in mysql?
[09:02] <crimsun> drop the table
[09:02] <crimsun> read the mysql docs
[09:02] <nwp> "drop database xxxxx;" in the mysql cli
[09:02] <nwp> IIRC
[09:03] <nwp> but he has a point; RTFM
[09:05] <broodster> thank you
[09:08] <binReapr> when I install a program, it resides in the usr/bin folder right?
[09:08] <tha_gamemaster> hey all, anyone ever have a problem with modprobe right after the install?  somethhing about no permission to some pci device, my friend is getting the error message so i can paste it, but any ideas so far?
[09:09] <HrdwrBoB> tha_gamemaster: yes it's a trivial error
[09:09] <HrdwrBoB> all it is, is an annoyance
[09:09] <tha_gamemaster> HrdwrBoB trivial though it maybe, it freezes my friend's machine to a complete halt.
[09:10] <HrdwrBoB> ehrm
[09:10] <HrdwrBoB> probably not what I was thinking then
[09:10] <HrdwrBoB> what is the exact error
[09:10] <tha_gamemaster> possibly not, I can't give the EXACT error just yet, he should be in irc in a minute ,he's writing it down, then we'll paste it
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> ok cool
[09:11] <bob2> binReapr: from a package? usually, yes.
[09:11] <tha_gamemaster> but thanks for the help so far, I hope it's something we can fix, cause I really want him to make the jump to ubuntu, i know he'll like it as much as i do.
[09:11] <jintonic> where is vsftpd.conf stored?
[09:12] <HrdwrBoB> jintonic: in /etc/ I would imagine
[09:13] <jintonic> apparently not
[09:13] <bob2> dpkg -L vsftpd | grep etc
[09:14] <jintonic> there it shows... /etc/vsftpd.conf but there's none there :-/ guess that means i gotta make it
[09:15] <bob2> er
[09:15] <bob2> did you delete it?
[09:15] <jintonic> nope
[09:16] <bob2> you didn't delete it, uninstall vsftpd, reinstall and then come in here asking where it is?
[09:17] <jintonic> done, now its there :-/
[09:17] <bob2> ?
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i see you are here too...
[09:30] <jintonic> heh, kinda funky... totem is playing a wav file starting with the scroll bar about halfway through
[09:33] <jintonic> ?
[09:38] <bob2> Rene_S: please turn that off
[09:40] <Vaportrail> ...
[09:43] <Platinum> hi guys (n00b here) am having problems trying to setup my graphics card with ubuntu (radeon x800pro) all i'm getting is command line stuff and i'm buggered
[09:46] <rm6990> has anyone else noticed the people on the #debian channel are pricks?
[09:47] <carthik> yes, arstechnica did, for sure
[09:47] <tha_gamemaster> rm6990, not always, but sometimes
[09:47] <carthik> they got the worst user-group award or something
[09:47] <bob2> mainly when you ask silly questions
[09:47] <rm6990> well, i asked a question about something i read in an FAQ and apparently the person who wrote the FAQ is stupid and so am I
[09:47] <tha_gamemaster> ok heres a fun question
[09:47] <carthik> what's silly for tom might be profound for harry
[09:48] <bob2> rm6990: no, no one said anything about you
[09:48] <tha_gamemaster> my friend just screwd up the dd command whats teh safest way to rebuild his partition map
[09:48] <bob2> rm6990: whoever wrote the faq was wrong, and silly for not checking something like that before putting it on the internet
[09:48] <bob2> tha_gamemaster: gpart can try and guess it
[09:48] <rm6990> hold on, have to check...maybe i misread something
[09:48] <tha_gamemaster> bob2
[09:48] <tha_gamemaster> thanks!
[09:50] <binReapr> laters
[09:51] <jintonic> hiya zero
[09:52] <zerokarmaleft> sup jintonic
[09:52] <zerokarmaleft> have you settled into warty or did you take the hoary dive?
[09:53] <jintonic> i got 3d accel working finally and you wouldn't believe how simple it was
[09:53] <bob2> just using the normal Free driver?
[09:53] <Vaportrail> jintonic: congratulations
[09:53] <ryan_> jintonic: What graphics card do you have?
[09:53] <binReapr> jintonic: you use ati?
[09:53] <jintonic> i'm sticking with warty for now
[09:53] <jintonic> yes, ati
[09:54] <jintonic> normal radeon driver
[09:54] <binReapr> I imagined, mine is giving me headeches
[09:54] <jintonic> ati radeon 9200se
[09:54] <zerokarmaleft> glad to hear the ati's got all the bases covered now
[09:54] <Vaportrail> jintonic: and I got Dmix-plugin for alsa working, so I get multiple sound devices at the same time without esd and no delay. and you wouldn't beleive how complex it was :P
[09:54] <binReapr> so, I better go and grab latest ati linux driver?
[09:54] <ryan_> I'm still sticking with Nvidia, more people seem to have problems with ATI
[09:54] <jintonic> the problem i was partially right about, it was concerning the motherboard but it was the agp speed... i had it at 8x, 4x works much better
[09:55] <jintonic> heh
[09:56] <bob2> binReapr: what card do you have?
[09:56] <binReapr> radeon 9600
[09:56] <ryan_> Does ATI officially support Linux 2.6 now or do you still kind of have to force it to work?
[09:57] <Vaportrail> I got 100% cpu load and got no idea which process is the evil little bastard
[09:57] <tha_gamemaster> bob2, well what if there is no gpart ?
[09:57] <jintonic> all i needed to do from default warty install was change the agp speed to 8x and change the video driver from something warty detected that was part of my motherboard to radeon driver
[09:57] <bob2> tha_gamemaster: then you need to restore from your backups
[09:57] <tha_gamemaster> not on ubuntu cd or gentoo cd
[09:57] <binReapr> I have to get some sleep now, if someone knows a workaround for activating the wifi card on a emachines m6810 laptop please give me a call =D
[09:58] <bob2> jintonic: have you appended this to your bug report?
[09:58] <Vaportrail> jintonic I thought you needet to set it to 4x?
[09:58] <bob2> tha_gamemaster: then you need to install it
[09:58] <tha_gamemaster> restore from which backups?
[09:58] <jintonic> and with that everything works fine... tuxracer is giving me 40FPS now
[09:58] <bob2> hah.
[09:58] <jintonic> nope, havent changed the bug report, i'll do that
[09:58] <jintonic> oh, yeah, set to 4x i meant
[10:00] <ryan_> again, do the ATI drivers officially support kernel 2.6 yet, last time I checked they didn't and Nvidia did, that is why I chose Nvidia
[10:00] <bob2> you don't need to keep asking over an over
[10:02] <spacey> http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0021-uselib.txt
[10:02] <spacey> new local root exploit
[10:02] <stuNNed> how do i play a dvd in hoary?
[10:02] <ryan_> n.m., i found it on ati's website, it says they dont
[10:03] <spacey> stuNNed: i think totem can play dvd's, and else there is ogle
[10:03] <ryan_> stuNNed: Download and compile ffmpeg and MPlayer
[10:03] <ryan_> it works really good
[10:04] <stuNNed> thanks guys, what device should i use though?  /dev/dvd doesn't exist, neither does /dev/hdc
[10:04] <bob2> then find what your drive is
[10:05] <spacey> whats ffmpeg?
[10:05] <ryan_> and make a symbolic link to it. For instance, if it is /dev/hdd, then cd to /dev and type sudo ln -s hdd dvd
[10:05] <ryan_> ffmpeg is something that adds on extra support for mplayer
[10:05] <ryan_> not quite sure, they recommend installing it tho
[10:05] <bob2> you don't need ffmpeg to watch dvds
[10:05] <ryan_> http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/
[10:05] <ryan_> meh, i install it anyways, doesnt hurt
[10:06] <spacey> does anyone know how to get that css support working?
[10:06] <spacey> that dvd "encryption" stuff
[10:07] <ryan_> spacey: mplayer reads dvds fine after you compile it
[10:07] <ryan_> spacey: or you could try installing libdvdcss/libdvdcss2 through apt
[10:07] <stuNNed> bob2, hi, thanks, what could it be?  /media/cdrom symlink is there to cdroms0 but nothing is in that dir
[10:07] <ryan_> it might work for totem, im not sure if it does
[10:08] <bob2> stuNNed: no, it will be somedthing in /dev.  'dmesg | grep hd' might give you a hint
[10:11] <bob2> Se7h: please turn that off
[10:12] <stuNNed> bob2, ugh, i get stuff like: Probing IDE interface ide2... ide2: Wait for ready failed before probe !
[10:13] <bob2> that's odd
[10:14] <stuNNed> when hoary is released stable will linux-restricted-modules be installed by default?
[10:16] <tha_gamemaster> bob2 thanks, he's gunna try to fix it, lol i can't believe he forgot count=1 ... some people should never mess with dd
[10:17] <spacey`ki> ryan_ ok thnx
[10:25] <fred> Hi
[10:25] <fred> does someone know where to find gst-ffmpeg for ubutnu ?
[10:27] <jintonic> damn it :P why does ubuntu-desktop have to rely on everything :P
[10:27] <magneto> which is better radeon 9250 128mb or nvidia geforce mx4000 128mb?
[10:28] <jintonic> on linux, definately the nvidia
[10:28] <fred> does someone know where to find gst-ffmpeg for ubuntu ?
[10:29] <jintonic> sudo apt-cache search ffmpeg
[10:29] <jintonic> looks like its in the gstreamer0.8-misc meta-package
[10:29] <fred> it's not
[10:30] <fred> just the ffmpegcolorspace is in it
[10:30] <stuNNed> has anyone got any bad warty discs that were shipped?
[10:33] <jintonic> fred: http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/g/gst-ffmpeg/gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg_0.8.2-1_i386.deb
[10:36] <fred> jintonic: I know this repository, but I was looking fo ruptodate packages. nevermind
[10:40] <carthik> I find it remarkable that an open-content product like musicbrainz has no tagger for Linux!
[10:54] <entius> every window that i open with nautilus is not capable to show the "tree" at the left. I've created a new soft link with the order "nautilus" that also does the same. How can i manage this?
[10:54] <compi> hi all
[10:54] <compi> guys, need some help, having probs with the warty installer
[10:54] <Cube-ness> entius, right click a folder, browse
[10:55] <compi> I have an XP and a fedora installed
[10:55] <compi>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[10:55] <compi> /dev/hdc1   *           1        2089    16779861    7  HPFS/NTFS
[10:55] <compi> /dev/hdc2            2090        2098       72292+  83  Linux
[10:55] <compi> /dev/hdc3            2099        2162      514080   82  Linux swap
[10:55] <compi> /dev/hdc4            2163       14946   102687480    5  Extended
[10:55] <compi> /dev/hdc5            2163        9944    62508883+  83  Linux
[10:55] <compi> /dev/hdc6            9945       11404    11727418+  83  Linux
[10:55] <compi> /dev/hdc7           11405       12864    11727418+  83  Linux
[10:55] <entius> Cube-ness yes, this is how i can get the tree tab, but how can i get a soft link that directly does this?
[10:55] <compi> whops, it was hdc not hda
[10:56] <compi> /dev/hda1   *           1        1530    12289693+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[10:56] <compi> /dev/hda2            1531        1540       80325   83  Linux
[10:56] <compi> /dev/hda3            1541        1605      522112+  82  Linux swap
[10:56] <compi> /dev/hda4            1606       14946   107161582+   5  Extended
[10:56] <compi> /dev/hda5            1606        2370     6144831   83  Linux
[10:56] <compi> /dev/hda6            2371        3100     5863693+  83  Linux
[10:56] <compi> /dev/hda7            3101        3830     5863693+  83  Linux
[10:56] <compi> /dev/hda8            3831       14946    89289238+  83  Linux
[10:56] <compi> so here is HDA
[10:56] <Cube-ness> entius, you can make browse the default in system tools, configuration editor
[10:56] <compi> ubuntu installet says that I have one 122Gbyte partition on hda
[10:56] <compi> 122G Fat32
[10:56] <Cube-ness> apps, nautilus, preferences
[10:57] <compi> and does not allow to select any of the existing partitions to install ubuntu
[10:57] <compi> any ideas?
[10:57] <Cube-ness> compi, your partition table is screwy, or you are using some weirdo bootloader thats confusing parted
[10:58] <compi> Cube-ness, i created these partitions under FC3, with fdisk
[10:58] <compi> and I have spartbm
[10:58] <compi> ooopsz
[10:58] <compi> smartbm
[10:58] <Cube-ness> sbm is the problem
[10:58] <compi> holy shit....
[10:59] <Cube-ness> remove smartbm and you'll be fine
[10:59] <compi> is there a workaround?
[10:59] <Cube-ness> no..
[10:59] <Cube-ness> smartbm and parted dont get along
[10:59] <compi> ok, I will install mbr from debian
[11:00] <compi> byez
[11:01] <ejah__> lut
[11:03] <entius> Cube-ness, thanks, it's done, another question, if i am on nautilus and i want to edit a file which is root protected, i see that i cannot write on it because i'm not the root. I know i could do it by terminal, but from nautilus how can i edit a file with root permisions?
[11:03] <Cube-ness> um..
[11:04] <Cube-ness> theres kind of a reason for that
[11:04] <Cube-ness> you could always do gksudo gedit, and open the file there if you dont like nano
[11:05] <Cube-ness> but even if you could simply get at root files, i wouldnt advise it
[11:05] <carthik> Is there a way to make evolution delete pop server mail, when I delete a mail locally? (like Thunderbird does?)
[11:06] <Cube-ness> carthik, unless you have 'leave mail on server' selected in the prefs, it should do that automatically
[11:06] <Cube-ness> i mean, its pop mail, not imap or soemthing right?
[11:07] <carthik> Cube-ness I ONLY want mails that have been locally deleted to be removed from the remote server, not all downloaded mail
[11:07] <carthik> yeah, pop3
[11:08] <Cube-ness> sounds like what you want is an imap mail account.. hehe
[11:08] <carthik> thunderbird has a "delete mail on server, upon emptying from trash box"
[11:08] <carthik> Cube-ness, which is the other thing - how do I setup a mailserver for IMAP access?
[11:08] <carthik> or are all mailserver programs suitable for IMAP
[11:09] <carthik> or are there any that are only IMAP - no pop?
[11:09] <Cube-ness> did you look at prefs, mail prefs?
[11:09] <Cube-ness> there is exactly that option
[11:10] <Cube-ness> carthik, you run the mail server?
[11:12] <carthik> Cube-ness, my host will set it up for me the way I want
[11:12] <carthik> Cube-ness, or I can do it myself.
[11:12] <carthik> Thing is, I need to know what mail server to request to be setup
[11:13] <Cube-ness> dovecot is a nice imap server
[11:13] <carthik> Ideally I'd like an only-imap mail server
[11:13] <carthik> Postfix ain't imap, eh?
[11:14] <carthik> sorry, i'm a bit green when it comes to mailservers
[11:14] <umarmung> carthik, neither pop nor imap, it's for smtp only, that means you can send but dont receive anything
[11:14] <bob2> no, postfix also receives email
[11:15] <bob2> it doesn't talk pop or imap tho, so it just stores it on the disk
[11:15] <carthik> umarmung, thanks
[11:15] <entius> Cube-ness, yes (after a while) from gedit i can open what i want after a gksudo, but do i have to guess that there is no direct way to do it through nautilus?
[11:16] <entius> i mean, then i would need a nautilus with root permisions
[11:16] <entius> or something similar
[11:16] <carthik> bob2, Cube-ness, so would all imap servers be compatible with squirrelmail or other webmail systems?
[11:16] <ghita> hello!i got som problems.After upgrading from warty to hoary i can't get no sound.I have kernel 2.6.10.Please help.
[11:17] <Cube-ness> ghita, killall esd
[11:17] <Cube-ness> hehe
[11:17] <Cube-ness> try that
[11:18] <Cube-ness> carthik, yes
[11:18] <ghita> esd: no process killed
[11:18] <Cube-ness> then i dunno
[11:18] <ghita> 10x
[11:19] <bob2> carthik: ideally
[11:19] <bob2> some are buggy, tho
[11:19] <bob2> dovecot is an excellent imap server and works well with squirrelmail
[11:19] <Cube-ness> squirrelmail does work with dovecot..
[11:19] <ghita> what is the name of the program to setup soundcard in gnome
[11:19] <Cube-ness> heh.. also works with egroupware
[11:20] <bob2> ghita: there's nothing to setup
[11:20] <bob2> ghita: does switching back to 2.6.8.1 fix it?
[11:20] <ghita> i think so
[11:20] <carthik> Cube-ness, bob2, thanks for the answers, but would I be able to import all the old pop3 stuff from whatever mail program my host uses?
[11:21] <bob2> ghita: and you're sure the right module is being loaded?
[11:21] <ghita> but in alsa there is a program to setup the soundcard
[11:21] <bob2> carthik: ont your imap server? yes.
[11:21] <bob2> ghita: you don't need it.
[11:21] <bob2> unless you have more than one soundcard
[11:22] <ghita> yes the modules are loaded
[11:22] <carthik> bob2, one last question - how would I find out what mailserver is installed on a machine?(if i'm root)
[11:22] <bob2> have you unmuted it all?
[11:22] <carthik> on a server, in fact
[11:22] <bob2> carthik: er, what do you mean by mail server? mta?
[11:22] <ghita> well i want to try to setup my card with that program
[11:22] <ghita> maybe it works
[11:22] <bob2> (mail server means more than one thing on *nix)
[11:24] <carthik> bob2, I have this website, setup on a server (dedicated). Now it uses directadmin (a control panel). There is a squirrelmail link. I haven't really started using the domain's mail, but I;d like to set it up right (use the right mailserver etc). So I am wondering what mailserver came installed, that squirrelmail talks to through directadmin
[11:24] <bob2> er, if you're using a web control panel thing, you need to talk to your host about this
[11:25] <bob2> lest you break it
[11:25] <carthik> bob2, thanks...
[11:25] <bob2> if it's a Debian-based system, then 'dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail' might tell you
[11:28] <ghita> i found it
[11:28] <ghita> :)
[11:28] <ghita> it's hotplug fault
[11:28] <bob2> how?
[11:29] <ghita> bug 1293
[11:29] <ghita> i got a tvtuner and a sound card
[11:29] <bob2> right
[11:29] <ghita> so the tvtuner modules ar loaded before the sound card modules
[11:30] <ghita> so it thinks that my sound card is the audio chip from my tvtuner
[11:30] <ghita> ok..
[11:30] <ghita> now the problem is how to fix this
[11:30] <ghita> ?
[11:32] <bob2> blacklist your tv card module
[11:33] <bob2> in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[11:33] <da_bon_bon> how do i play .3gp files in linux ?
[11:35] <xav_> ubuntu looks nice, but some things are still annoying
[11:35] <Cube-ness> ?
[11:36] <xav_> I've poor 3d performance, and getting some package to work is a nightmare
[11:36] <xav_> like mplayer and dvdrip
[11:36] <Cube-ness> both work fine here.. simple to install
[11:36] <xav_> no conflict ?
[11:37] <Cube-ness> no
[11:37] <xav_> which version did you install ?
[11:37] <da_bon_bon> how do i play .3gp files in linux ?
[11:37] <Cube-ness> of what?
[11:37] <xav_> both
[11:37] <bob2> da_bon_bon: perhaps you could explain what they are?
[11:38] <da_bon_bon> bob2: .3gp are video files. in windows, i play them under realone player
[11:38] <Cube-ness> mplayer 1.0 pre-6 dvdrip0.52
[11:38] <bob2> then try realplayer or such
[11:38] <Cube-ness> the ones in the repo
[11:38] <bob2> but I wouldn't hold out all that much gope
[11:38] <xav_> Cube-ness, which repo for mplayer ? there are several I believe
[11:39] <da_bon_bon> Cube-ness: mplayer plays them ?
[11:39] <Cube-ness> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[11:39] <xav_> thanks
[11:39] <HauntedUnix> anyone know why mplayer, despite being provided with the -fs option, shows the video in it's standard size, in the middle of a screen
[11:39] <Cube-ness> da_bon_bon, i dunno what a .3gp file is, so i dunno
[11:39] <bob2> HauntedUnix: -vo xv, too
[11:40] <HauntedUnix> bob2: Thanks, :)
[11:40] <Cube-ness> -vo aa is much better
[11:41] <HauntedUnix> Mmm, that _is_ true. but not as easy to see :-P
[11:41] <xav_> Cube-ness, so it's mplayer-585 or something ? mplayer alone seems to be in another repo
[11:41] <xav_> 586
[11:42] <da_bon_bon> Cube-ness: ok.
[11:42] <Cube-ness> xav_, i just added the repo and installed mplayer
[11:42] <Cube-ness> hehe
[11:42] <Cube-ness> dont recall any issue.. i rarely use it
[11:42] <xav_> but I can't even install it
[11:42] <xav_> it conflicts with dvdrip
[11:43] <xav_> which doesn't work either
[11:44] <xav_> installing mplayer-586 from marillat complains about libavcodec2 and liblame0
[11:45] <fmazoit> hello there.
[11:45] <xav_> and if I want to install liblame0, it want to uninstall dvdrip libavcodec0, libavformat0, libmp3lame0, transcode
[11:46] <xav_> a nightmare I said :p
[11:46] <fmazoit> Does anybody know how to request a new package beeing included in ubuntu?
[11:47] <xav_> however, I can install another mplayer version which _isn't_ from marillat, but it doesn't work
[11:48] <xav_> Cube-ness, which version of ubuntu do you have?
[11:49] <xav_> well, nice answer
[11:49] <fmazoit> :)
[11:55] <stuNNed> damn, the wiki's search feature sucks, what is the url for adding marillat's repo?
[11:56] <stuNNed> imho sorry
[11:57] <stuNNed> n/m found it on google
[11:59] <xav_> [transcode]  warning : /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.0: undefined symbol: NeAACDecOpen
[11:59] <xav_> mplayer: relocation error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.0: undefined symbol: NeAACDecOpen
[12:00] <xav_> does anyone have an idea what it could be?
[12:01] <stuNNed> man, i should just use stable and backports on main pc :(
[12:02] <xav_> well this mix of unstable and stable annoys me
[12:02] <lukasz> trey3 hi>
[12:02] <xav_> all unstable is maybe better
[12:03] <fmazoit> xav_: then use hoary
[12:03] <xav_> I'm not sure though :)
[12:03] <xav_> its easy to upgrade
[12:03] <xav_> but not to come back
[12:05] <xav_> should I use libavcodec0 or libavcodec2 ?
[12:05] <fmazoit> To me, the easiest way to come back is to log ALL the tweaking I have done one the system (dpkg --get-selections and so on)
[12:05] <fmazoit> and if I want do come back, I start from a fresh install
[12:06] <fmazoit> It take at most 2 hours
[12:06] <xav_> yes but
[12:06] <xav_> I just made one
[12:07] <netzone_tech> hello
[12:07] <netzone_tech> i have a problem here...
[12:08] <netzone_tech> i have a dell computer... installation is fine... got several Fatal ERROR: Inserting module bla bla bla Operation not permitted error messages
[12:08] <netzone_tech> but boot still continues
[12:08] <netzone_tech> then it stops at "Setting system clock to hardware...." ...
[12:08] <xav_> strange, google doesn't even help. I'm the only one having this error
[12:08] <netzone_tech> wait for ages, then do CTRL C...
[12:08] <netzone_tech> system continue to boot...
[12:08] <netzone_tech> until the "Welcome to your new Ubuntu system".... there's a little OK button at the bottom
[12:08] <netzone_tech> pressed it...
[12:08] <fmazoit> netzone_tech, somme computers have problems with hw_random and some other modules
[12:09] <netzone_tech> there it goes.. system hang forever
[12:09] <fmazoit> just add them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:09] <netzone_tech> i have Dell Dimension 8400...
[12:09] <netzone_tech> would that help with my last problem ? (Hang forever on "Welcome to your new Ubuntu system") ??
[12:09] <xav_> how many ppl use hoary there?
[12:10] <fmazoit> I do
[12:10] <netzone_tech> has anyone ever encountered this??
[12:10] <xav_> its often broken ?
[12:10] <netzone_tech> yes
[12:10] <netzone_tech> frozen on the "Welcome" page
[12:10] <netzone_tech> very weird
[12:10] <jintonic> SDL.h: No such file or directory <-- but i have libsdl1.2debian and libsdl1.2-dev installed, why am i still getting this error?
[12:11] <xav_> well I'll have to find out a better distrib then
[12:12] <jintonic> actually, i've got damn near every package that starts with libsdl, but still sdl.h is not found...
[12:13] <xav_> I tried mdk, red hat, gentoo, slackware, debian, archlinux and ubuntu but I still didn't find my ideal distrib
[12:13] <netzone_tech> i would say suse
[12:13] <fmazoit> netzone_tech, how old is your machine?
[12:13] <jintonic> i've tried all them and more, ubuntu is my favorite
[12:13] <netzone_tech> suse works fine for me.. now regretted that i change it to this ubuntu
[12:14] <netzone_tech> it's brand new
[12:14] <netzone_tech> one month old
[12:14] <broodster> hey i got a question
[12:14] <jintonic> yeah, i was thinking of suse, since thats pretty much the only major x86 distro he didnt mention
[12:14] <xav_> what are the bad sides?
[12:14] <broodster> is ubuntu the best linux build?
[12:15] <jintonic> heh
[12:15] <netzone_tech> you are asking pointless question
[12:15] <netzone_tech> that depends on people choices
[12:15] <jintonic> you're in #ubuntu, dontcha think the answer might be a little bit biased in here?
[12:15] <xav_> jintonic, yes thats right :) I thought about testing it once, but I finally didn't, don't remember why
[12:15] <broodster> I'm ask an opinion based question, what's your point?
[12:15] <broodster> Give me your most honest answer please =] 
[12:15] <netzone_tech> i would say suse
[12:16] <broodster> Because the only reason ive been using ubuntu, is because someone told me it was the best lol
[12:16] <netzone_tech> but it's not free
[12:16] <fmazoit> netzone_tech, can you tell me what are the modules that cannot be loaded?
[12:16] <netzone_tech> suse live is not worth it.. suse prof is the best i would say
[12:16] <xav_> netzone_tech, no free version available to download?
[12:16] <netzone_tech> shpchp, pciehp, hw_random
[12:16] <jintonic> "best" is a matter of opinion...
[12:17] <netzone_tech> suse.. the only free version is a live cd if i'm not wrong
[12:17] <fmazoit> netzone_tech, this problem is known (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#booterrors)
[12:17] <xav_>  SUSE LINUX Live-DVD Download (International)
[12:17] <jintonic> yeah, the pci express and random number generator hardware
[12:18] <netzone_tech> ic.
[12:18] <netzone_tech> but what about the other problem?? freeze on th e "Welcome' page ?
[12:19] <fmazoit> netzone_tech, I don't know.
[12:19] <m00se> hi
[12:20] <netzone_tech> this is very sad.......
[12:20] <fmazoit> netzone_tech, your problem with the clock could be a network problem
[12:20] <m00se> after today's hoary upgrade right and middle mouse buttons stopped working in galeon. is this known problem?
[12:20] <netzone_tech> ic.....
[12:20] <jintonic> xav_: in my opinion, ubuntu linux is the best linux distro. i like the simple, quick and nearly effortless setup and the os setup in general rocks... apt-get is phenomenal, best of all, ubuntu Just Works(TM)
[12:20] <QT> hi
[12:21] <fmazoit> netzone_tech, do you have a network connection at boot time?
[12:21] <netzone_tech> there's no point in continuing using ubuntu with my comp now... can't continue... frozen at the welcome page....
[12:21] <netzone_tech> yes i do
[12:21] <xav_> jintonic, yes I quite liked the setup. the fact that my wifi card worked directly really impressed me :)
[12:21] <netzone_tech> the weird thing is that i can boot to "recovery mode"
[12:22] <xav_> but after a first very good impression, I'm confronted to weird problems
[12:22] <jintonic> yup, all of my hardware despite my video card was autodetected and setup correctly
[12:23] <fmazoit> If you have a network problem, then the system is likely to wait for a LONG time (timeout)
[12:23] <QT> does the installer miss the module ieee80211_crypt_wep?
[12:23] <QT> i get errors during install when setting the wep key
[12:23] <netzone_tech> fmazoit: you reckon i should plug the network cable off? and see if it works?
[12:24] <fmazoit> netzone_tech, no.
[12:24] <fmazoit> boot to recovery mode
[12:24] <netzone_tech> then??
[12:24] <fmazoit> then edit /etc/network/interfaces
[12:24] <netzone_tech> what can i do there???
[12:24] <netzone_tech> oh
[12:24] <netzone_tech> okay.. and .. ?
[12:25] <QT> what's the ubuntun way to install nvidia driver?
[12:25] <QT> using the universe repo or the installer from nvidia?
[12:25] <fmazoit> comment out all the lines saying "auto something" (just leave the "auto lo")
[12:26] <netzone_tech> ok wait...
[12:26] <fmazoit> next time you boot, the system will not try to configure the network
[12:26] <netzone_tech> ok.. there's only one auto there..
[12:26] <netzone_tech> auto eth0
[12:26] <fmazoit> If your problem is a network problem, this will bo it
[12:26] <netzone_tech> where should i enter my ip address configuration then?
[12:27] <fmazoit> juste comment out the auto eth0 line
[12:27] <netzone_tech> say i want to enter ip addresss 192.168.0.2
[12:27] <netzone_tech> where should i put it?
[12:27] <netzone_tech> and the subnet mask, dns, etc ?
[12:27] <jintonic> QT: there's a wiki on the site that describes how to install nvidia/ati drivers, it uses apt-get
[12:27] <QT> netzone: man 5 interfaces explains this well with examples
[12:27] <fmazoit> netzone_tech, man interfaces
[12:28] <netzone_tech> ok...
[12:28] <QT> jintonic: ok, i will have a look. thanks
[12:28] <netzone_tech> doesn't seem that network is the problem...
[12:28] <netzone_tech> system still freeze on the welcome page
[12:28] <jintonic> "how to install binary drivers"... something along those lines
[12:28] <QT> jintonic: appreciated
[12:29] <jintonic> de nada
[12:29] <QT> it runs well with 'nv' driver already........
[12:29] <jintonic> i bet, if ubuntu didn't autodetect a nvidia card i'd be shocked
[12:30] <QT> yes
[12:30] <QT> on my collegues laptop ist even installed ati with DRM support
[12:30] <QT> s/ist/it
[12:30] <jintonic> yup
[12:30] <fmazoit> netzone_tech, wait, I checksommething
[12:31] <netzone_tech> what should i do to run ubuntu with kernel 686 ?
[12:31] <netzone_tech> i can't remember.. i have to do sudo apt-get install linux-image-686 .. or something along that line
[12:31] <netzone_tech> anyone
[12:31] <Wulf_> 6.8.6? I'm still using 2.6.10
[12:31] <jintonic> haha
[12:31] <netzone_tech> no no no
[12:31] <netzone_tech> kernel for intel 686 series
[12:32] <netzone_tech> to enable MMX and those nifty features
[12:32] <broodster> lol wulf_
[12:32] <netzone_tech> by default ubuntu uses 86
[12:32] <netzone_tech> 386
[12:34] <netzone_tech> any news, fmazoit??
[12:34] <fmazoit> netzone_tech, can you describe again your problem?
[12:34] <abelli> btlug.it
[12:34] <abelli> sorry...
[12:34] <jintonic> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-4-686
[12:35] <netzone_tech> fmazoit: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7798.html
[12:35] <netzone_tech> this is exactly the problem i'm having
[12:35] <netzone_tech> apart from different computer
[12:35] <netzone_tech> same brand, Dell, but different configuration
[12:36] <fmazoit> ahhhh.....
[12:36] <QT> netzone_tech: have you tried booting with option acpi=off and/or noapic?
[12:36] <jintonic> wow.. yeah.. that's a bummer
[12:36] <netzone_tech> tell me you know the solution please ... :)
[12:37] <netzone_tech> nope
[12:37] <netzone_tech> how ?
[12:37] <netzone_tech> is that the solution?
[12:37] <QT> boot the machine, wait for grub menu and type 'e'. then add these options
[12:37] <fmazoit> I don't know the solution.
[12:37] <QT> netzone_tech: maye
[12:37] <QT> netzone_tech: you will have to go thru try&error
[12:37] <fmazoit> You never finish the installation process
[12:38] <QT> do you get ACPI error messages on boot?
[12:38] <fmazoit> and I don't know what exactly happen during the installation process
[12:38] <netzone_tech> not really
[12:38] <netzone_tech> no ACPI error messages
[12:38] <QT> sure?
[12:38] <netzone_tech> never finish the installation process???? it asked me to boot my computer
[12:39] <QT> it will not stop, but only print the errors
[12:39] <netzone_tech> yes
[12:39] <netzone_tech> wait.. booting now
[12:39] <netzone_tech> hopefully it works now
[12:39] <netzone_tech> with the acpi off thingy
[12:40] <fmazoit> you have to reboot during the installation process
[12:40] <QT> netzone_tech: which laptop do you use?
[12:40] <netzone_tech> not laptop. desktop
[12:40] <netzone_tech> dell dimension 8400
[12:40] <QT> ah. ok
[12:41] <netzone_tech> wait
[12:41] <netzone_tech> good sign
[12:41] <netzone_tech> i'll be back
[12:41] <netzone_tech> not freezing now
[12:41] <netzone_tech> :)
[12:41] <netzone_tech> wait ok
[12:42] <QT> netzone_tech: so it runs ok now?
[12:42] <netzone_tech> looks like it
[12:42] <netzone_tech> still continue booting
[12:42] <netzone_tech> thank you thank you thank you so much
[12:42] <netzone_tech> wait
[12:42] <netzone_tech> which X server should i choose?
[12:42] <netzone_tech> i have ATI Radeon x00
[12:42] <netzone_tech> x300
[12:42] <QT> should auto-detect the chip
[12:43] <QT> xserver-xfree86
[12:43] <QT> otherwise see the wiki for how to install binary drivers
[12:43] <jintonic> :)
[12:43] <netzone_tech> ya, it asked which x server driver.. apm, ark, ati, chips, cirrus, cyrix... bla bla bla
[12:43] <jintonic> handy little thing isnt it?
[12:43] <netzone_tech> should i use "ati" ?
[12:43] <QT> jintonic: :-)
[12:44] <QT> netzone_tech: sounds like
[12:44] <netzone_tech> or just use vga first, and later download the binary ?
[12:44] <QT> whatever
[12:44] <fmazoit> netzone_tech, use ati
[12:45] <fmazoit> well since you have ATI_something, it would make sence
[12:45] <netzone_tech> hmmmm
[12:45] <netzone_tech> how do i get back to that screen???
[12:45] <fmazoit> :)
[12:45] <xav_> yep, 2d should work
[12:45] <netzone_tech> it complains now.. with serial 8250 errors
[12:45] <jintonic> i use an ati radeon 9200SE, the driver i use is "radeon"
[12:46] <netzone_tech> how do i get back to the setup screen?
[12:47] <fmazoit> netzone_tech, I think you cannot
[12:47] <fmazoit> ut that is not a problem
[12:47] <fmazoit> You can later reconfigure the thing
[12:48] <netzone_tech> ok
[12:48] <netzone_tech> let's see if it can boot to X
[12:48] <xav__> on debian its :  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:49] <netzone_tech> ok...
[12:49] <netzone_tech> hm
[12:49] <netzone_tech> no graphical login
[12:49] <xav__> but well you don't have to do that if you just want to install the binary and get 3d acceleration
[12:49] <xav__> ha
[12:49] <netzone_tech> only boots to console
[12:50] <xav__> no error ?
[12:50] <netzone_tech> nope
[12:50] <xav__> anyway, just install the binary from console
[12:50] <netzone_tech> this is crazy... supposed to have graphical login
[12:50] <xav__> follow the wiki's instruction
[12:50] <jintonic> if it boots to console it gives 2 errors for me
[12:50] <netzone_tech> no startx either
[12:50] <QT> erro?
[12:51] <broodster> ?
[12:51] <netzone_tech> i'll do everything from scratch, with acpi thingy from installation process
[12:51] <QT> netzone_tech: press F4,F5,F6 for kernel paramter help when the CD boots
[12:53] <Br|ce> hi
[12:53] <Br|ce> My music player daemon (mpd) isn't working anymore
[12:54] <Br|ce> seems to be related to bug #5238
[12:54] <Br|ce> (renaming of libFLAC)
[12:54] <Br|ce> should I notice someone about it ? post a new bug ?
[12:55] <broodster> there's not amd64 version for ati drivers yet???
[12:57] <elvirolo> hi all!
[12:58] <mbourd25> Hi folks, where can I find documentation to setup my winmodem to work in ubuntu? Thanks.
[12:59] <QT> mbourd25: which modem? does the vendor offer a driver?
[12:59] <Goon> yo, got a pretty strange problem related to existing partitions during an install, i get the error "The test of the file system with type ext3 in partition X of IDE 1 found uncorrected errors"
[12:59] <mbourd25> it's an AOpen FM56-SVV Soft PCI Modem and I don't think AOpen offers drivers for linux.
[12:59] <QT> goon: i had the same problem
[12:59] <Goon> its setup to be /home (it is already formatted and has data on it)
[01:00] <QT> goon: just leave the partition alone during install and mount it later
[01:00] <Goon> QT, ok, so it will just create /home as part of / during the installer?
[01:00] <QT> goon: yep
[01:00] <Goon> QT: thanks :)
[01:01] <QT> check that it is empty and mount your /home partition later
[01:01] <Goon> thanks
[01:02] <Goon> and is it worth killing my .gnome2 directory from my old distro and letting ubuntu recreate it?
[01:02] <QT> hmmm. guess so
[01:02] <QT> maybe create a new user id with a fresh $HOME
[01:02] <Goon> yeah, might be an idea actually
[01:03] <QT> that way you get an idea of default ubuntu settings
[01:05] <Goon> QT: appreciated, thanks
[01:05] <QT> welcome!
[01:05] <QT> goon: actually i was shocked by the message and hoped it didn't corrupt the partition
[01:06] <QT> but everything was fine :-)
[01:06] <Goon> QT, yeah it didn't do a lot for my hangover, i must say :)
[01:06] <elmo> webserver (www.ubuntulinux.org, etc.) is going down for reboot in 4 minutes; if you're editing a page or something, please save your changes now
[01:07] <netzone_tech> how do i install the radeon binary driver?
[01:07] <QT> netzone_tech: check the wiki in about 10 minutes
[01:07] <broodster> Is Mandrake Linux any good?
[01:07] <QT> broodster: define 'good'
[01:07] <rburns> anyone can give me a hand with fonst substitution config. when typing in Thai the substituted font is much to small
[01:08] <broodster> Better than Ubuntu
[01:08] <QT> definer 'better'
[01:08] <ogra> hehe
[01:08] <broodster> Well
[01:08] <QT> yes?
[01:08] <ArCHoNKoG> lol
[01:08] <broodster> It's an opinionated question
[01:08] <ArCHoNKoG> no its not
[01:08] <QT> i find no rpm based distro can ever be better than deb based
[01:08] <ogra> broodster: try them both, decide yourself ;)
[01:08] <broodster> i did
[01:09] <broodster> but you know what happened?
[01:09] <QT> broodster: if you're unsure what to use then use whatever your friends are using
[01:09] <broodster> When i booted the cd with partitin magic
[01:09] <broodster> and partitioned my HD
[01:09] <broodster> my HD went POOF
[01:09] <QT> partition magic?
[01:09] <QT> on ubuntu?
[01:09] <broodster> yah
[01:09] <broodster> no for Mandrake
[01:09] <QT> restore your backup
[01:10] <broodster> too late no
[01:10] <broodster> now
[01:10] <QT> blame #mandrake
[01:10] <broodster> that was like 5 years ago =D
[01:10] <Goon> QT: heh, cant argue with that ,its rpm thats finally annoyned me enough into installing ubuntu :)
[01:10] <QT> goon: i can understand this well
[01:10] <QT> once you experience deb based distro you don't wanna go back to that other road
[01:10] <netzone_tech> what does warty means?
[01:11] <broodster> warty is a nickname i believe
[01:11] <ogra> netzone_tech: a wart is somethyin a classic witch has on her nose....
[01:11] <broodster> is Ubuntu better than Windows XP?
[01:11] <QT> again, define better
[01:11] <broodster> opinion =D
[01:11] <ogra> netzone_tech: and a wartho is a pig with a lot of warts ;)
[01:11] <LotusGeek51> not for my parents
[01:12] <jdub> broodster: that's a highly arguable point, and better left undiscussed
[01:12] <jintonic> broodster: no, xp is the best, use it
[01:12] <ogra> hog even
[01:12] <netzone_tech> errrr
[01:12] <netzone_tech> so many different replies
[01:12] <netzone_tech> i'm confused now
[01:12] <jdub> netzone_tech: warty is the nickname for the distribution, "warty warthog"
[01:12] <LotusGeek51> its the easiest one that i have ever installed
[01:12] <netzone_tech> by the way, anyone has ever got this: serial8250: too much work for irq 10 ?
[01:12] <QT> anyway, gotta go to the mail office now - cYa
[01:12] <netzone_tech> bye bye QT
[01:12] <netzone_tech> thx for the help;
[01:13] <broodster> well windows costs like $70 so shouldn't it be better?
[01:13] <jintonic> broodster: which is better, a wrench or a philips head screwdriver?
[01:13] <jdub> broodster: that's not a useful metric. please take this discussion elsewhere.
[01:14] <broodster> jeez
[01:14] <broodster> just looking for some discussion o_O
[01:14] <broodster> and jdub, a philips screwdriver is better
[01:15] <jintonic> right
[01:15] <_d4vid> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ ???
[01:15] <LotusGeek51> depends on the job is his point
[01:15] <Goon> broodster, asking in a linux channel whether or not windows is better is not exactly going to spark debate, is it? :)
[01:15] <LotusGeek51> the right tool for the right person
[01:15] <broodster> because all the computer stuff needs one =D
[01:15] <broodster> Goon: i use both =] 
[01:15] <_d4vid> dont work mic under skype .. can anyone help me ?
[01:16] <broodster> your just trying to make a statement that everyone who uses linux hates windows
[01:16] <Goon> broodster, if you say so
[01:16] <jintonic> so for you, a screwdriver is best... for a mechanic a wrench would often be much more useful... its a matter of perspective... and we are not psychics so we don't know yours
[01:16] <jdub> broodster: please take the discussion elsewhere.
[01:17] <gsuveg> hmm. me dont show times in accu applet. before install in gentoo worked. any idea ?
[01:17] <Goon> _d4vid, you checked the mixer settings to make sure its not muted?
[01:17] <_d4vid> yeap
[01:18] <Goon> _d4vid, im all outta ideas then :(
[01:18] <broodster> whats the difference between gentoo and ubuntu?
[01:18] <grepper> 50 hours :)
[01:19] <_d4vid> use hoary..
[01:19] <LotusGeek51> lol at grepper
[01:19] <jintonic> the difference between gentoo and ubuntu is 42
[01:19] <broodster> whats that meant to mean?
[01:19] <LotusGeek51> no text based web browsing to install
[01:20] <broodster> why would you want a text based web browser oO
[01:20] <netzone_tech> where can i get the Radeon driver?
[01:20] <HappyFool> why not browse the ubuntu and gentoo webpages and find out for yourself?
[01:20] <netzone_tech> i mean, the binary driver for radeon?
[01:20] <jintonic> netzone: ati.com or apt-get install fglrx-driver
[01:20] <broodster> well happyfool i decided to ask you guys since some of you actually have tried both
[01:21] <gsuveg> broodster: portage <> debian
[01:21] <netzone_tech> ok.. thx
[01:21] <netzone_tech> oh yeah
[01:22] <carthik> broodster, it is like asking someone the difference between an AMD processor and an Intel processor -- no definite answer, but since 42 is the answer to everything, you can have 42 :)
[01:22] <netzone_tech> does anyone know about mode 791 for the console? that's for 1024.. what about for 1280x1024? also i forgot the exact flag
[01:22] <netzone_tech> could anyone tell me the flag?
[01:22] <broodster> carthik amd 64 is faster,  fact.
[01:22] <broodster> but amd64 has lesss support
[01:23] <carthik> netzone_tech, try using the livecd to create a xf86config..that gives you all the refreshrates etc supported by your screen
[01:23] <carthik> broodster, you sound really bored -- now who talked about which processor was faster?
[01:23] <paulzh> hi, I need some help setting up apt_preferences to be able to use the mono packages from hoary, I've set APT::Default-Release to warty, and pinned monodevelop with priority 995, but when I try to apt-get it, i get alot of dependency problems
[01:23] <broodster> ... you
[01:24] <Uuranor> hi all :)
[01:24] <netzone_tech> can anyone give me their apt.sources file?? i need to know the entry to get the ATI driver from
[01:24] <NanoTek> in universe
[01:24] <broodster> netzone
[01:24] <Uuranor> i cannot, sorry, cause i have an nvidia graphic card :(
[01:24] <broodster> u use intel?
[01:25] <netzone_tech> oh ok
[01:25] <netzone_tech> thx
[01:25] <broodster> u use intel?
[01:25] <broodster> netzone
[01:25] <netzone_tech> oh ya. anyone knows the link for that "illegal" page in Ubuntu?? (the page that contains where to get the DVD CSS, etc)
[01:26] <broodster> cuz theres no drivers for linux on amd64
[01:26] <broodster> for ati
[01:27] <gsuveg> netzone_tech: universe
[01:28] <jintonic> broodster: how old are you?
[01:28] <jintonic> i'd guess 14 or 15
[01:32] <scizzo> netzone_tech: are you talking about the Restrictedformats?
[01:32] <scizzo> netzone_tech: look at the wiki
[01:32] <netzone_tech> yes
[01:33] <netzone_tech> hmm maybe
[01:33] <netzone_tech> wait
[01:33] <netzone_tech> yes yes hehehe
[01:34] <netzone_tech> oh yea.... i've just downloaded the fglrx driver.. what's the normal FPS should be if it's workign correctly? i run glxgear.. it says around 926
[01:34] <netzone_tech> is that normal?
[01:34] <netzone_tech> 926.000
[01:34] <Uuranor> have you reboot x?
[01:35] <netzone_tech> yes
[01:35] <netzone_tech> that's not normal????
[01:35] <netzone_tech> should be more?
[01:35] <Uuranor> i don't know, just curios :P
[01:35] <netzone_tech> oh
[01:35] <Uuranor> curious
[01:35] <netzone_tech> i just did apt-get install fglrx-driver
[01:35] <scizzo> that seems low...though it depends on the card
[01:35] <netzone_tech> hmmm
[01:35] <scizzo> netzone_tech: you need to tell the XF86Config-4 to use the driver also
[01:36] <Uuranor> wait, i try
[01:36] <SirFred> Hi.
[01:36] <netzone_tech> oh how?
[01:36] <scizzo> downloading it won't help much
[01:36] <SirFred> Since a pair or three weeks the automounting feature don't work on my Hoary.
[01:36] <Uuranor> mine is around 1500 FPS
[01:36] <scizzo> sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:36] <SirFred> I'm  starting to think that perhaps it's a problem with my configuration or something so.
[01:36] <scizzo> find out where the driver is and change it to fglrc
[01:36] <scizzo> find out where the driver is and change it to fglrx
[01:36] <SirFred> Any idea about what could I check?
[01:37] <cardador> netzone_tech: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:37] <netzone_tech> hahaha reading it right now.. thx
[01:37] <SirFred> The cdrom for example don't mount automatically, I need to go to the "computer" place and double click on it.
[01:37] <scizzo> SirFred: I think it is mounted...though Nautilus is not registering it correctly
[01:37] <SirFred> scizzo: Humm, let's see.
[01:38] <SirFred> scizzo: When I put the cd into the unit, it's accessed as it was to be mounted.
[01:38] <SirFred> But, when I type 'mount' on a terminal, I don't see any cd mounted.
[01:39] <scizzo> SirFred: what kind of CD is this?
[01:39] <scizzo> SirFred: Audio CDs should not be mounted at all
[01:39] <SirFred> Then, I click on the cdrom icon, and mount says:
[01:39] <SirFred>  /dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=mteira)
[01:39] <scizzo> SirFred: data CDs should be mounted
[01:39] <SirFred> scizzo: No, it's a data cd.
[01:39] <SirFred> But I don't know why it don't mount automatically.
[01:40] <SirFred> My preferences says to mount automatically the removable media.
[01:41] <scizzo> SirFred: sounds like something is weird with fstab -> mount
[01:41] <scizzo> and the system itself
[01:41] <SirFred> scizzo: Humm, don't know. What could I check?
[01:41] <scizzo> SirFred: not sure
[01:41] <SirFred> My fstab line for the cdrom says:
[01:41] <SirFred>  /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[01:41] <scizzo> SirFred: if you put a audio CD in...does it get played in gnomecd?
[01:42] <SirFred> scizzo: Let's see.
[01:42] <scizzo> automatically that is
[01:42] <SirFred> Yes.
[01:42] <scizzo> SirFred: the you seem to have the same problem as me then
[01:42] <broodster> jintonic: what does my age have to do with anything??? I think you're 12 for presuming my age for no reason at all
[01:42] <broodster> I'm 17 for your information
[01:43] <SirFred> scizzo: And we have no solution
[01:43] <scizzo> SirFred: file a bug report about this or look if someone has had the same problem...
[01:43] <scizzo> SirFred: I don't have a solution for this
[01:44] <SirFred> A white CDRW also fires the cdburn:// location
[01:44] <jintonic> you act like a typical 14-15 year old
[01:44] <SirFred> It's only the data cd that refuses to be mounted, and the last time I checked it, CF cards didn't work either.
[01:44] <scizzo> SirFred: you are talking a lot about how nautilus is doing the CD stuff now
[01:45] <broodster> jintonic how so?
[01:45] <jnk> SirFred: I didn't follow the discussion but did you check the auto media mounting settings ?
[01:45] <SirFred> jnk: Yes.
[01:45] <jnk> ok :)
[01:45] <SirFred> jnk: Thanks.
[01:45] <jintonic> narrow-minded and egotistical
[01:46] <scizzo> SirFred: find out if someone has had the same problem in the bug reports please
[01:46] <broodster> i said if you have amd64 you can't install ati drivers on linux
[01:46] <broodster> cuz i have amd64 and ati
[01:46] <broodster> i didn't want him to waste the time i did
[01:46] <broodster> so how am i being narrow-minded and egotistical?
[01:48] <broodster> Look as far as I know, #ubuntu is a friendly chat room, and you under judging my age is what I'd take as an offense, so get your script kiddy attitude outta here
[01:49] <jintonic> narrow-minded in that you are not seemingly aware of the many variables involved in the questions you were asking...
[01:49] <jintonic> ah, screw it, i'm done talking to you
[01:50] <broodster> What's wrong with me asking a question with no variables for it the run along?
[01:50] <housetier> its ok now
[01:51] <broodster> It's like me asking what basketball team is better, the lakers or the spurs, sure there's many responses, I was just looking for a response, I didn't say I cared if it was biased.
[01:51] <housetier> ok
[01:51] <broodster> Or maybe you're too hard-headed to understand the concept.
[01:51] <Goon> broodster, then its a pretty pointless chanel for an irc chanel aimed at supporting a specific distro :)
[01:51] <housetier> can't you just drop it
[01:52] <broodster> I did
[01:52] <broodster> I just had to offend him like the 14 year old he called me first
[01:52] <broodster> =D
[01:52] <LotusGeek51> so anyway, which is better.... jk
[01:52] <jintonic> 42
[01:53] <LotusGeek51> 42 is everything
[01:53] <jintonic> damn straight
[01:53] <scizzo> if you are about to argue then take it in /msg
[01:53] <broodster> i just use windows to play games, ubuntu for everything else
[01:55] <_d4vid> yomon da
[01:57] <Cred> Hello
[01:58] <Cred> Does someone know a video editor (non-DV) for Gnome that I could use?
[01:58] <mjr> I'd like to know one too. One that could edit mpeg-2 TS or PS streams
[01:59] <mjr> alternatively, how to losslessly make said streams into something that Kino will accept?
[02:00] <Cred> Ah, LiVES
[02:00] <Cred> http://www.xs4all.nl/~salsaman/lives/
[02:01] <Cred> Maybe someone could do a package for it?
[02:04] <pankay> emerge ubuntu
[02:04] <pankay> emerge apt-get
[02:04] <ArCHoNKoG> lol
[02:04] <pankay> apt-get install emerge
[02:05] <pankay> oppps
[02:09] <elmo> ok, entire DC network's going down for a couple of minutes.. last reboot of the day.
[02:09] <elmo> s/DC/ubuntu.com etc./
[02:10] <broodster> DC?
[02:20] <compi> hi
[02:21] <compi> quick question: is there any free bootmanager which is compatible with warty installer?
[02:21] <kezz> what do you mean?
[02:21] <compi> something like smartbm
[02:22] <compi> but if there is smartbm installed I cannot see partitions from the installer
[02:22] <HappyFool> is grub a different thing from a bootmanager?
[02:22] <compi> yes
[02:22] <compi> smartbm is more simple
[02:23] <sjoerd> compi: please explain wtf a bootmanager is then :)
[02:23] <compi> i can just select a partition from existing ones and select wich to boot
[02:23] <xukun> I,m thinking of installing ubuntu on my laptop so I booted from the live cd and everything looks ok, but my wlan card(is 3COM 3CRSHPW696 with atmel chip set) is not recognized by ubuntu, so I wonder where to go from here?
[02:23] <LameNick>  /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:23] <LameNick> oooops
[02:23] <compi> shit happends :-P
[02:24] <sjoerd> compi: that means that each partition needs a bootloader
[02:24] <housetier> gmail is that you?
[02:24] <compi> yup
[02:24] <compi> boot manager just loads the real loader
[02:25] <sjoerd> grub can do that too... but just using grub is much simpler imho..
[02:25] <compi> unfortunately standard debian MBR cannot boot eztended partitions
[02:25] <Cyberjames> Hi! anyone use sendmail?
[02:25] <compi> otherwise it would be OK
[02:25] <HrdwrBoB> Cyberjames: bpretty kmuch no, no-one does L(
[02:25] <HrdwrBoB> postfix :)
[02:26] <compi> so I'd need something wich I can use to boot e.g. hda6
[02:28] <xukun> if the live cd doesnt recognize my wireless card doesnt that mean it will either not work after installing it?
[02:28] <kezz> you tried the "write your own os" sites? compi
[02:28] <HrdwrBoB> not necessarily
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> you may need to use ndiswrapper
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> which can load the windows drivers
[02:30] <xukun> HrdwrBoB, my card is supported on other distros, so there must be other way
[02:30] <ankit> Hi! I just installed KDE 3.3 and want the KDE look and feel for OO! Can anyone guide me?
[02:32] <xukun> daniels, are you in?
[02:35] <xukun> While ndiswrapper and DriverLoader are good solutions, they depend upon Windows native drivers to work. I have used ndiswrapper with some success but wanted a 100% Linux native solution instead.
[02:37] <nxv> hi
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> what card?
[02:38] <nxv> what architecture is ubuntu compiled vor?? i386 i686??
[02:38] <srid> how ubuntu users have installed xchat-systray plugin?
[02:38] <srid> nxv, i386, i think
[02:38] <nxv> srid: thx
[02:38] <srid> nxv, ls /var/cache/apt/archives/
[02:38] <srid> yes it is
[02:39] <xukun> HrdwrBoB, sec
[02:39] <nxv> hm i am looking for an more optimized linux to my cpu without compiling everything like in gentoo,  may be i will have a look at arch
[02:40] <broodster> http://www.ubuntu.org
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> nxv: most of that 'optimisation' amounts to nothing
[02:40] <broodster> Ubuntu supports all proccessors I believe
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> there's also kernels for everything
[02:41] <nxv> kernle i have always compiled myselfe
[02:42] <scoon>  nxv, i use ubuntu and hand roll my own kernels as well
[02:42] <scoon> nxv, i used gentoo for about 18months and then tried ubuntu out
[02:42] <nxv> thx for ur advice
[02:42] <scoon> nxv, this is by far the best distro i have used in over 6yrs
[02:43] <nxv> i have just tried gentoo and my debian is still installed and i think i will go back to debian if i don't get any benefits from optimization because it has the largest package repository i know
[02:44] <scoon> you won't find any difference with compiled proggys and binary ones
[02:44] <nxv> but if i can find a precompiled and mature i686 distri i would change
[02:44] <scoon> nxv, sorry to disappoint you but it just doesn't matter.
[02:44] <agwibowo> hello
[02:44] <agwibowo> does anyone have Radeon X300 video card?
[02:44] <nxv> have u used debian ? what personal benifits did u have?
[02:45] <agwibowo> i'm having problem with setting up the binary driver for it
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> nxv: not even a health plan
[02:45] <scoon> nxv, i used debian before gentoo.  i hated the installer.
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> however, as far as OSes go, it was good :)
[02:45] <nxv> scoon: apt-get??
[02:45] <scoon> nxv, i figured if i were to go through all the trouble i might as well run gentoo.
[02:45] <scoon> nxv, the INSTALLER was a ball buster.
[02:46] <agwibowo> i did apt-get install fglrx-driver for my Radeon X300... following the Wiki page. but it doesn't work for me..
[02:46] <scoon> nxv, ubuntu is nice becuase it has everything up to date on it.
[02:46] <agwibowo> by the way, Radeon X300 is PCI Express
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> hrm
[02:46] <Aron_Figaro> Hey guys...I've got a really unusual music problem.
[02:46] <xukun> HrdwrBoB its a 3com 3CRSHPW196 which uses Atmel chip
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> nfi if pci express works
[02:46] <scoon> nxv, in fact a lot, including me, run the devel version hoary.
[02:46] <Aron_Figaro> Well, mostly I have no music :P
[02:46] <nxv> scoon: i haven't had trouble with it, configured it for testing and unstable if the package is not in testing
[02:46] <agwibowo> ???
[02:47] <agwibowo> hrdwrbob: are you talking to me?
[02:47] <Aron_Figaro> Music Player doesn't want to load my MIDI files and apparently doesn't have an MP3 plugin. Totem just give "unknown error" when I try to load anything.
[02:47] <scoon> nxv, so what opti's do you think you could find with something else ?
[02:47] <nxv> scoon: what is the ubuntu installer like? more like yast? or console like emgere
[02:47] <Aron_Figaro> nxv: Not quite like either
[02:47] <kezz> Aron_Figaro, sudo apt-get install gstreamer-mad
[02:47] <scoon> nxv, never used yast.  but it was easy.
[02:47] <nxv> scoon: u mean against debian?
[02:47] <nxv> is ubuntu on rpm?
[02:48] <agwibowo> deb
[02:48] <scoon> nxv, easier than debian, easier than emerge.
[02:48] <agwibowo> not rpm
[02:48] <compi> the ubuntu installer is quite similat to old debian installer
[02:48] <LotusGeek51> installed in 23 mins
[02:48] <compi> I did not find any really relevant difference
[02:48] <klaym> I had to press enter like twice during install
[02:48] <compi> except that the old installer did its job even if I had smartbm in the MBR
[02:49] <compi> ubuntu installer pisses itself off in that case
[02:49] <scoon> nxv, what are you using now ?
[02:49] <nxv> is there an online package search to verify the packages i need are there?
[02:49] <sjoerd> compi: then you didn't use the installers often enough (a lot has changed between woody and sarge installer)
[02:50] <nxv> scoon: i have started gentoo and debian is still on my disk
[02:50] <agwibowo> can anyone help me with Radeon card?
[02:50] <compi> sjoerd, why would I use it if it was not capable to install the OS on my machine?
[02:50] <scoon> nxv, i don't know about package searches but what do you need.
[02:50] <scoon> nxv, i would guess that it is available.
[02:50] <sjoerd> compi: not often enough to see the differences i mean
[02:51] <broodster> Does ubuntu come with a C++ compiler?
[02:51] <HappyFool> g++
[02:51] <compi> well I did use old debian installer 5 or such years ago
[02:51] <nxv> scoon: there is there no otherway then installing ubuntu to find out what packages are included??
[02:51] <broodster> Are there C++ compilers for Ubuntu?
[02:51] <compi> since then there was no need to reinstall
[02:51] <HappyFool> broodster: g++
[02:51] <kezz> broodster, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:51] <scoon> nxv, i didn't say that.  I just said that I didn't know of a search.  I offered to check for you tho.
[02:52] <broodster> thanks
[02:52] <broodster> HappyFool, what's g++?
[02:52] <agwibowo> hmmm... i can't apt-get install mplayer
[02:52] <agwibowo> very weird
[02:52] <HappyFool> the GNU c++ compiler
[02:52] <compi> gnu c++ compiler
[02:52] <nxv> scoon: thx 4 ur offer but that would need some time and i will find just a nother app i might have forgotten before
[02:53] <scoon> nxv, np.
[02:53] <broodster> oh
[02:53] <HappyFool> i presume that apt-get command kezz gave will install it
[02:53] <nxv> scoon: how ist the nvidia/ati installation or is skype included in the package management of ubuntu?
[02:53] <compi> skype i a stronglu proprietrary so I'd doubt
[02:53] <sap> chkroot kit reports 'Possible LKM Trojan installed'
[02:54] <compi> s/lu/ly/
[02:54] <vrt3> nxv: http://ubuntuguide.org/#findprogramslibrarieslistubuntu
[02:54] <scoon> nxv, nvidia is in.  ati doesn't work as well with linux as nvidia does.  so you will have the same problems there.
[02:54] <compi> sap: it always report it with 2.6 for me
[02:54] <sap> compi: phew!
[02:54] <nxv> vrt3: thx for the link
[02:54] <scoon> nxv, skype is not in.  but you could download and compile or add another repo to get it.
[02:56] <sap> compi: i was reading this post which tells you what to check  Ubuntu support channel | FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ | Wiki: http://
[02:56] <sap> (13:51) [ bri|zor  ]  [ goodtimes ]  [ kyelewis`  ]  [ Nucl3ar     ]  [ swiftrhett] 
[02:56] <sap> (13:51) [ DracoDan ]  [ grumpydog ]  [ lonewolf_v6]  [ OhMyAchinLap]  [ tantive   ] 
[02:56] <sap> (13:51) -!- Irssi: #sveasoft: Total of 28 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 27 normal] 
[02:56] <sap> (13:51) -!- Channel #sveasoft created Sun Feb 15 05:08:28 2004
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[02:56] <sap> (13:54) <      vrt3> nxv: http://ubuntuguide.org/#findprogramslibrarieslistubuntu
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[02:56] <sap> (13:54) <     scoon> nxv, nvidia is in.  ati doesn't work as well with linux as nvidia does.  so you
[02:56] <sap>                      will have the same problems there.
[02:57] <sap> (13:54) <     compi> sap: it always report it with 2.6 for me
[02:57] <sap> (13:54) <       sap> compi: phew!
[02:57] <HappyFool> eish
[02:57] <sap> (13:54) <       nxv> vrt3: thx for the link
[02:57] <sap> (13:54) <     scoon> nxv, skype is not in.  but you could download and compile or add another repo
[02:57] <sap>                      to get it.
[02:57] <sap> (13:55) -!- netmonk [~~@nat-18.c0msys.net]  has joined #ubuntu
[02:57] <sap>  [13:55]  [sap(+i)]  [5:#ubuntu(+cnt)]  [Act: 1,2,8] 
[02:57] <sap> (13:53) *** Comrade_1ool has nfi
[02:57] <sap> (13:53) <  bashgeek> i have
[02:57] <sap> (13:53) <     goron> id10t: It(glxgears, gltron)  still works,
[02:57] <sap> (13:53) <  bashgeek> and where are the partitions?
[02:57] <compi> sap, WTF is this?!
[02:57] <sap> (13:53) <    whibbL> on the disk.
[02:57] <Br|ce> HappyFool: seems like an unwanted copy/paste
[02:57] <sap> (13:53) -!- delta9_ [~merlincor@pcp01137507pcs.mtmors01.mi.comcast.net]  has joined #debian
[02:57] <sap> (13:53) <  bashgeek> where to read
[02:57] <leslaptop> sap stop the flood please
[02:57] <sap> (13:53) <   valdyn_> whibbL: no, theres qt / kde too, no idea whichever gets more developer time
[02:57] <sap>                      spent on
[02:57] <sap> (13:53) <   Maulkin> nvz: r, didn't want to get out of bed yesterday either.
[02:57] <HappyFool> can't someone get ops and kick him?
[02:57] <sap> (13:53) <     goron> id10t: I even did a reinstall of ut2004.
[02:57] <sap> (13:53) <     id10t> goron weird. i've never had a update that broke ET/QW/etc. unless it included a
[02:57] <sap>                      kernel update, but then X just wont start
[02:57] <sap> (13:53) <     idnar> id10t: and with sufficiently advanced code generation, you could bootstrap it
[02:57] <sap>                      similarly to a C compiler
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[02:58] <sap> (13:53) <    fester> Maulkin i im runing apt-setup so whenever i try to add a source it spits that
[02:58] <sap>                      error regardless of the what it is
[02:58] <sap> (13:54) <     moret> i have a problem, my mouse in the boot doesn't work, but, if I do 'modprobe
[02:58] <sap>                      psmouse' it works, how can I load the module in boot automaticly?? thanks!
[02:58] <sap> (13:54) <   valdyn_> whibbL: not even to mention the various other guid toolkits / wrappers
[02:58] <sap> (13:54) <    whibbL> valdyn_, yes, i am very familar with the qt libraries.. and i don't like the
[02:58] <compi> Holy sh*t
[02:58] <sap>                      concept behind it at all. it adds an unnecessary 'functionality' layer to X
[02:58] <sap> (13:54) <     id10t> dammit...baby cryin. bbiaw
[02:58] <Cope> lol
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[02:58] <sap> (13:54) <     goron> id10t: Me neither. But now I have. And I somewhat like UT.
[02:58] <sap> (13:55) <   Maulkin> fester: Ok... what exactly are you doing?
[02:58] <Cope> great first impression of this channel :o)
[02:58] <Br|ce> Cope: ;)
[02:59] <leslaptop> Cope remember nutshell ?
[02:59] <netmonk> this is the first time I see such idiot stuff
[02:59] <Cope> heh
[02:59] <micsch> i have no wlan0, what can i do, the kernel modul for my wlancard loads without any error
[02:59] <leslaptop> Cope you from London ?
[03:00] <Cope> aye
[03:00] <Br|ce> netmonk: don't think he's done it willingly
[03:00] <Br|ce> netmonk: I think he had a channel under his buffer
[03:00] <Cope> an honest mistake
[03:00] <StepByStep> um.... somebody please help ... i just installed ubuntu ... i'm having difficulty installing firestarter; i added the multiverse and debian-marillat repositories to sources.list, then did sudo apt-get update; but when i did sudo apt-get install firestarter i received this error: E: Couldn't find package firestarter...
[03:00] <Br|ce> netmonk: and he's pushed his "middlemouse" button by mistake
[03:00] <leslaptop> Cope how's young William ?
[03:00] <netmonk> ok, I don't know what that is, but i trust you guys ;)
[03:00] <Cope> leslaptop: great thanks; playing in the kitcheb
[03:01] <StepByStep> (i was following the unofficial ubuntu guide instructions)
[03:01] <gilles> hi
[03:01] <leslaptop> Cope Hope he's not cooking for you
[03:01] <netmonk> Does anyone know what is the right keyboard layout to use for iBook g3 with Ubuntu?
[03:01] <sap>  [3:#debian(+JLPcflnt 802)] 
[03:01] <sap> [#ubuntu]  compi: i was reading this post which tells you what to check
[03:01] <sap> shit, sorry!
[03:01] <sap> HappyFool: fuck off, it was a mistake
[03:01] <gilles> how is it that there is only one cd to install ubuntu ?
[03:01] <HappyFool> sap: kicking you is a way to kill the flood. you can easily rejoin. it is not a punishment
[03:02] <sap> HappyFool: ok, sorry
[03:02] <sap> HappyFool: i meant to paste a link to the post, not the whole post to the channel ... apologies to everyone
[03:03] <agwibowo> how to mount an ntfs partition??
[03:03] <sap> \me feels like an idiot
[03:03] <zido> Uhm, i can't install xmms, because it says it doesn't have a C compiler.. there isn't one with Ubuntu or?
[03:03] <leslaptop> Cope do you still use fedora ?
[03:03] <zido> agwibowo, http://www.linuxforum.com/linux_tutorials/1/1.php
[03:04] <agwibowo> aptzido: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[03:04] <Uuranor> agwibowo: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[03:04] <scoon> zido ?
[03:04] <netmonk> sap, no problem - i often feel like that too ;)
[03:05] <sap> netmonk: thanks
[03:05] <zido> scoon, : i'm trying to install xmms, and this is what i get: "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH"
[03:06] <Cope> leslaptop: not at present
[03:06] <agwibowo> thx!
[03:06] <scoon> zido, you are trying to compile it then.  you need the g++ compiler for that.
[03:06] <scoon> zido, but you could just apt-get it
[03:06] <zido> how?
[03:07] <scoon> zido, try out synaptic for starters.  that is the gui front end to apt-get.
[03:07] <{GoldenEye}> hi everyone
[03:07] <leslaptop> Cope I am using FC3 at the mo but I think I'll be installing unbuntu when I get my new video card later today
[03:08] <zido> scoon, where can i find it?
[03:08] <Cope> leslaptop: okay; because you're curious?
[03:08] <{GoldenEye}> I'm talking from portugal and I've just installed ubuntu 4.10
[03:08] <scoon> zido, it is in the gnome menu's
[03:08] <leslaptop> Cope guess I am :)
[03:09] <{GoldenEye}> I wat to take the superuser control of my system, what is the root password
[03:09] <leslaptop> Cope or a fool ?
[03:09] <{GoldenEye}> ?
[03:09] <Br|ce> seb128: hi
[03:09] <LotusGeek51> zido : computer>>system config>>synaptic package manager
[03:09] <seb128> afternoon
[03:09] <Br|ce> seb128: you were the one posting  bug about libFLAC right ?
[03:09] <seb128> no
[03:09] <Br|ce> mmm
[03:09] <zido> thx
[03:09] <Br|ce> about rythmbox perhaps ?
[03:09] <Cope> leslaptop: just wondered why you're changing; william is here now, being horrible.
[03:10] <seb128> Br|ce: posting bug where ?
[03:10] <HappyFool> {GoldenEye}: have you tried the sudo command? otherwise take a look here: http://ubuntuguide.org/#usersadministration
[03:10] <leslaptop> Cope how old is William now ?
[03:10] <Cope> 1
[03:10] <Br|ce> seb128: on bugzilla.ubuntu.org
[03:10] <seb128> Br|ce: I've not posted any bug in the bugzilla.u.o for a while
[03:10] <{GoldenEye}> I also have a PS-2 wheel mouse and it isn't working, how to solve that?
[03:10] <Br|ce> ok
[03:10] <seb128> Br|ce: I reply on open bugs
[03:10] <Josip> can someone recomment me an application for viewing pdf files ?
[03:10] <Br|ce> must be that then
[03:10] <Josip> Xpdf looks awful
[03:10] <seb128> xpdf
[03:11] <leslaptop> Cope just wait till the terrible 2's lol
[03:11] <{GoldenEye}> thx
[03:11] <HappyFool> there's acroread. http://ubuntuguide.org/#acroread
[03:11] <HappyFool> amazing how many questions are answered there ;)
[03:12] <jintonic> yup
[03:12] <Josip> acroread's a good one ?
[03:12] <scoon> gpdf anyone ?
[03:12] <HappyFool> well, it's adobe's reader
[03:12] <Josip> free one ?
[03:12] <Josip> can't believe it ;)
[03:13] <scoon> gpdf anyone ?
[03:13] <ollie> anyone have any tips on using alsa 1.0.8rc2 with hoary?  I've got an SB audigy, which isn't supported by 1.0.7.
[03:13] <jintonic> gpdf is my favorite pdf reader
[03:13] <HappyFool> you could also try a ghostcript based viewer
[03:13] <xukun> kernel does the warty cd installs?
[03:13] <xukun> which kernel does the warty cd installs?
[03:15] <HappyFool> xukun: 2.6.8, afaict
[03:15] <Cope> leslaptop: i installed ubuntu on friday, on the machine that used to run fc1
[03:15] <Cope> leslaptop: thought I'd hang out and see what this channel's like for a bit.
[03:15] <xukun> HappyFool, is there a way to choose new kernel?
[03:16] <leslaptop> Cope whats your imperession of ubuntu ?
[03:16] <Aron_Figaro> anyone know anything about MIDI in Ubuntu?
[03:16] <HappyFool> err, sorry, not a clue. i presume the package manager takes care of that
[03:17] <Cope> leslaptop: the install was painless; the sudo/root thing annoyed me; it seems quite slow, but maybe gnome 2.8 is resource hungry; looks ok; its just like a sarge system I guess.
[03:18] <leslaptop> Cope FC3 is very slow on my laptop
[03:18] <HappyFool> Cope: hmm, interesting. I've found ubuntu to be a little snappier than fc2
[03:18] <Cope> i've not used any of the newer fedora releases
[03:19] <Cope> HappyFool: yeah, may well be - last fedora experience on the same machine was fc1
[03:19] <netmonk> anyone with ubuntu on iBook???
[03:19] <lupus_> lupus@lupus ~/gnome-schedule $ sudo modprobe scanner
[03:19] <lupus_> FATAL: Module scanner not found.
[03:19] <lupus_> is this normal?
[03:19] <lupus_> hoary kernel
[03:20] <lupus_> what module should I load then?
[03:20] <Cope> what seems good, from this channel, is there are lots of new users, so maybe ubuntu is bringing in new people.
[03:20] <kotau> morning!
[03:20] <leslaptop> Cope I will be installing ubuntu on my pc tonight and see how it goes before installing it on my laptop
[03:21] <Cope> leslaptop: what spec is the laptop?
[03:21] <leslaptop> last time i looked in this channel there was about 150 users
[03:22] <xukun> leslaptop, if you have wireless card, check first if you card is supported
[03:22] <leslaptop> Cope 2.8 celeron 512mb mem with 64mb shared grphics
[03:23] <Cope> leslaptop: jeez! and fc3 is slow on that!?
[03:23] <stvn> anyone having problems with the places menu in hoary?
[03:23] <Cope> linux must be getting REALLY bloated
[03:23] <leslaptop> xukun the wireless card uses the prism54 chipset
[03:24] <HappyFool> Cope: gnome you mean? ;)
[03:24] <Cope> HappyFool: indeed :)
[03:25] <Aron_Figaro> ok...can anyone help me out with my MIDI sequencer problem?
[03:25] <Aron_Figaro> "could not open sequencer no such file or directory" - it says I have no sequencer installed, I've got Muse installed, I get the same error with playmidi and pmidi
[03:25] <xukun> leslaptop, check here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWiredNetworkCards/view?searchterm=3com
[03:25] <Cope> trouble is gnome is the best environment for a migrating user, imo; dunno what kde is like these days though; for my own use I tend to run something very very light.
[03:26] <leslaptop> xukun thanks for the link :)
[03:26] <kotau> I am trying to install a mouse driver for my logitech mx510.  I found a driver for it [http://freshmeat.net/projects/logitech_applet/]   but when I try to compile, I get this error [  ERROR!  libusb header not found, get it from  http://libusb.sourceforge.net  or use the --with-libusb-includes option, if you have it installed in an unusual place]   I have reinstalled libusb through synaptic and it is the latest version.  I still get this erro
[03:26] <kotau> r though
[03:26] <Aron_Figaro> Cope: KDE is REALLY bloated IMO...it's pretty messed
[03:27] <xukun> np
[03:27] <HappyFool> kotau: is there a libusb-devel package?
[03:27] <HappyFool> (this is just a guess)
[03:27] <Cope> good guess though
[03:27] <{GoldenEye}> Fantastic help/community, I'm already sshing to my ubuntu linux
[03:27] <{GoldenEye}> thankz a lot!
[03:27] <Aron_Figaro> heh
[03:27] <Cope> {GoldenEye}: :)
[03:27] <Aron_Figaro> go man go :)
[03:27] <kotau> yep there is, should I try installing it?
[03:27] <HappyFool> yip
[03:27] <Aron_Figaro> probably
[03:28] <Cope> kotau: yeah, that will probably provide the required headers
[03:28] <xukun> I,m installing ubuntu on my laptop hopping that it will support my wireless after the installation
[03:28] <Cope> fool!
[03:28] <Cope> ;-)
[03:28] <kotau> dont hope, cope!
 do you know how to solve my ps-2 mouse problem
[03:28] <{GoldenEye}> I don't have mouse at all
[03:28] <Cope> {GoldenEye}: um, I don't know what your problem is!
[03:28] <leslaptop> xukun my wireless card uses the ils3890 driver
[03:29] <{GoldenEye}> how to force an hardware re-check?
[03:29] <Uuranor> uhmm has someone kde on hoary?
[03:30] <sorrydaijin> hi all. does anyone know where I might find something along the lines of "vncserver configuration for people without even the vaguest clue"
[03:30] <Cope> {GoldenEye}: slow down dude; you have a mouse - a normal ps2 mouse, yeah?
[03:30] <{GoldenEye}> yes
[03:30] <{GoldenEye}> wheel mouse
[03:30] <xukun> leslaptop, I dont see yours in the list!
[03:30] <Cope> {GoldenEye}: and it doesn't even move the pointer, yes?
[03:30] <{GoldenEye}> connected to a data switch with 4 cpu's
[03:30] <{GoldenEye}> yes
[03:31] <leslaptop> xukun the live cd picked it up but would'nt load it ?
[03:33] <leslaptop> xukun will sort out my pc tonight and get that up and running to how I want it (if I can) then install it on the laptop
[03:33] <Cope> {GoldenEye}: ok; lsmod | grep mouse
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[03:33] <xukun> leslaptop, then it looks good, I think you need to read this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto/view?searchterm=atmel
[03:34] <{GoldenEye}> and psmouse 17800 0
[03:34] <Cope> {GoldenEye}: hang on - what did you say about the data switch? Just plug the mouse directly into the computer! otherwise we may be wasting our time
[03:34] <{GoldenEye}> is it?
[03:34] <Cope> {GoldenEye}: eliminate other possible variables first
[03:34] <{GoldenEye}> but it is and auto data switch!
[03:34] <{GoldenEye}> I'll try
[03:35] <{GoldenEye}> allways func nice with mandrake and fedora
[03:35] <{GoldenEye}> but i'll try it
[03:35] <Cope> {GoldenEye}: First things first; do the simplest thing that could possibly work.
[03:35] <{GoldenEye}> you're right
[03:35] <{GoldenEye}> thankz
[03:35] <Cope> if it works plugged in directly, we know where the problem lies,.
[03:36] <leslaptop> xukun thanks again for the link seems like I have a lot of reading to do (again) :)
[03:36] <{GoldenEye}> I have to go, I'll came back later...
[03:36] <Ubuntu_N00b> Hello everyone!
[03:36] <Cope> ok;
[03:36] <xukun> leslaptop, you will be ok, dont worry about it
[03:37] <Cope> Heretushi: any more changes in the pipeline?
[03:37] <Heretushi> Cope: Not until someone doesn't take the nick I want. :P
[03:37] <leslaptop> xukun things will be alright in the end
[03:38] <xukun> leslaptop, sure it will
[03:38] <Heretushi> Anyone willing to help me get this wireless of mine working?
[03:38] <Cope> they know about wireless!
[03:38] <Heretushi> Heheheh.
[03:38] <leslaptop> xukun I will just have a sore head again from banging it aganst the wall lol
[03:39] <Heretushi> Well, it's not supposed to cause problem.
[03:39] <Cope> i've never even used wireless...
[03:39] <leslaptop> Cope yeah run boy run :)
[03:39] <scizzo> Heretushi: it might help to know what the problem is instead of just asking for help
[03:39] <Heretushi> See, I have this DWL-G520 card that is based on the Atheros chipset which is SUPPOSED to be supported.
[03:39] <xukun> how long does the ubuntu cd installation takes?
[03:39] <Heretushi> scizzo: I'm getting to that.
[03:40] <xukun> Heretushi, booted from the live cd first to see?
[03:40] <Cope> xukun: not very long - 20 mins maybe?
[03:40] <Heretushi> xukun: Nope.
[03:40] <Heretushi> I installed the full thing.
[03:40] <xukun> Heretushi, and the problem is?
[03:41] <Heretushi> So here I am in Ubuntu. I go into my network property, set up the thing (which is recognized) and BAM. No transmission, no nothing.
[03:41] <Heretushi> Let's demonstrate by a quick screenshot.
[03:41] <xukun> Cope, thanks cope
[03:41] <Heretushi> http://heretushi.net/ubuntu/ath0_dhcp.png
[03:42] <Heretushi> It's like my card is not .... idunno... set up or thing.
[03:42] <scizzo> Heretushi: maybe you could add a better screenshot
[03:42] <Heretushi> Okidoki.
[03:42] <xukun> Heretushi, read this first http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto/view?searchterm=atmel
[03:42] <ZzeCoOl> guys do you know any good torrent client ...with front end
[03:42] <Cope> ZzeCoOl: no; I just use btdowloadcurses.py
[03:43] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[03:43] <ZzeCoOl> Cope:  what is this?
[03:43] <Cope> ZzeCoOl: its a good torrent client; but it doesn't have a pretty front end
[03:43] <ZzeCoOl> is it installed? by default or something
[03:43] <Heretushi> http://heretushi.net/ubuntu/big_ath0_dhcp.png
[03:43] <leslaptop> Heretushi I would try to set it up with out IPv6 and without a wep key
[03:44] <Heretushi> leslaptop: How? :)
[03:44] <Cope> on ubuntu? unlikely; quick google on bittorrent how-to will quickly give you guidance.  Its just a python script
[03:44] <ZzeCoOl> ohh i see
[03:44] <Heretushi> xukun: Thanks for the link!
[03:44] <Cope> ZzeCoOl: alternatively you may be able to apt-get install it...
[03:45] <Cope> ZzeCoOl: apt-cache search bittorrent
[03:45] <usual> gstreamer plays dvd's in hoary now :)
[03:45] <xukun> ZzeCoOl, http://ubuntuguide.org/#azureus
[03:45] <ZzeCoOl> yes i find it and install it
[03:45] <ZzeCoOl> xukun:  thanx
[03:45] <leslaptop> Heretushi disable the wep key on your router
[03:45] <xukun> Heretushi, let me know if it helped
[03:46] <xukun> yes that is in that link too
[03:46] <Aron_Figaro> ok, I'm trying to do a software MIDI synth, and it looks like I'm running into an architecture-based problem
[03:46] <Heretushi> leslaptop: I don't like the tought of my network being full opened! :o
[03:46] <Aron_Figaro> I'm on AMD64 and I do the following: modprobe snd-seq-midi, and receive this:
[03:46] <Aron_Figaro> WARNING: Error inserting snd_seq (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic/kernel/so und/core/seq/snd-seq.ko): Operation not permitted
[03:46] <Aron_Figaro> WARNING: Error inserting snd_seq_midi_event (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generi c/kernel/sound/core/seq/snd-seq-midi-event.ko): Operation not permitted
[03:46] <Aron_Figaro> FATAL: Error inserting snd_seq_midi (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic/kernel /sound/core/seq/snd-seq-midi.ko): Operation not permitted
[03:47] <Heretushi> I'm in appartment block and signal theft may be a reality.
[03:47] <Aron_Figaro> Heretushi: definitely
[03:47] <Cope> Heretushi: that's not going to be an issue if the thing never works, is it.
[03:47] <xukun> Heretushi, no its for just testing, you can always but it back
[03:47] <kotau> heret, I had internet like that for 3 months :)
[03:47] <zido> haha
[03:47] <Heretushi> Cope: My setup might not work but the neighbours might work very well!!
[03:48] <Cope> heh
[03:48] <leslaptop> Heretushi it will only be fully open until you get your card working the you will re-enable your wep key
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[03:48] <Heretushi> leslaptop: Yeah, that's cool. I'll try this.
[03:48] <Heretushi> Thanks for the info and the links.
[03:48] <srid> is anyone working graphical ubuntu installer?
[03:48] <srid> hal is great!
[03:49] <srid> only graphical installer is missing in ubuntu
[03:49] <srid> could be a better alternative to mandrake
[03:49] <Cope> why? the current installer is about the easiest I have ever seen
[03:49] <Aron_Figaro> wow, I feel dumb. All I needed with my command error is to sudo it.
[03:49] <leslaptop> quick every one let's get to Hereushi's pad and leech on to his signal ?
[03:50] <Cope> Aron_Figaro: I was going to suggest that, but didn't want to insult you :)
[03:52] <Heretushi> leslaptop: Meh. I'll check my allocation table often to see if you're there! :P
[03:53] <StepByStep> Hi I've just installed Firestarter. Can someone please explain to me how to set it so it starts a firewall even when no user is logged in?
[03:53] <Aron_Figaro> ok...I've got the modules up and running but Timidity has no config file. I don't get why it doesn't configure itself on installation.
[03:54] <Aron_Figaro> ok, found a solution XD
[03:54] <Cope> StepByStep: write a init script, and link it to the appropriate /etc/rc[n] .d
[03:55] <StepByStep> thanks Cope ... i'll go see if i can manage that...
[03:56] <Cope> needn't be complicated - just whatever command you need to start firestarter (I assume it reads a config)
[03:58] <ulisse> hi channel
[03:59] <leslaptop> Heretushi let me know if you get it up and running please it may help me later :)
[03:59] <ulisse> I'm having a little problem with the Gnome panel (2.9.3)
[04:00] <ulisse> If I click outside the panel (i.e. the desktop) and then click again on a bar in the panel, at the first click nothing happens
[04:00] <ulisse> I have to click another time to raise or select or lower a window.
[04:01] <ulisse> It seems like the first click selects the panel (and enables contents) and the second have effect on it...
[04:02] <ulisse> someone knows if it is a known bug?
[04:03] <veejey> hello ;Could anybody please enlight me what causes the error: cp: listing attributes of `//lib/grub/i386-pc/stage1': Unknown error 524? ;It happens when trying to copy files from a  ubuntu liveCD.
[04:03] <seb128> ulisse: I don't get this bug here
[04:04] <seb128> ulisse: the first click focus the windows
[04:04] <ulisse> seb128, I think that the focus shouldn't apply to the panel...
[04:04] <seb128> it doesn't
[04:04] <seb128> it apply to the window concerned by the click
[04:05] <seb128> ie: if you click in the "epiphany" title, it gives the focus to the epiphany window
[04:06] <ulisse> Yes, but I mean the bars on the lower panel...
[04:06] <seb128> which bar ?
[04:06] <seb128> do you have a screenshot ?
[04:06] <Cope> veejey: have you googled for Unknown error 524? I see lots of interesting material...
[04:06] <seb128> as I understand it you click in the apps list
[04:06] <ulisse> ie, now I have 2 bars, one for xchat and one for firefox
[04:06] <seb128> yeah
[04:07] <seb128> if you click on xchat it gives the focus to xchat
[04:07] <ulisse> right!
[04:07] <seb128> no to the panel
[04:07] <seb128> try to hit a key before clicking it should no type anything in xchat
[04:07] <seb128> after clicking it does
[04:07] <seb128> -> it selects xchat
[04:07] <seb128> if xchat is selected then it reduce it
[04:07] <zido> what media player (for movies) can i use in Ubuntu? The "Totem Movie Player" wont play my files :/
[04:09] <Nonphasis> zido: install totem-xine
[04:09] <ulisse> seb128, this is the way it should work, but sometimes it seems to ignore the click...
[04:09] <seb128> ulisse: works here (tm)
[04:09] <Aron_Figaro> what's the command to rename a file again?
[04:10] <Nonphasis> Aron_Figaro: mv oliname newname
[04:10] <ulisse> seb128, I'll open a bug...
[04:10] <Aron_Figaro> it's got spaces in it, those are disliked
[04:10] <seb128> ulisse: please provide details on how to reproduce it or we can't do anything about it
[04:11] <Aron_Figaro> ok...got it by renaming it in Gnome
[04:11] <Aron_Figaro> but now I still don't get any sound
[04:12] <ulisse> seb128, I don't know exactly how to reproduce, try to open a window, deselect it by clicking on the background and then try to select it back by clicking the list...
[04:12] <Nonphasis> Aron_Figaro: you can quote "names with    spaces"
[04:12] <Nonphasis> streamtuner rocks
[04:13] <Nonphasis> rhythmbox should have similar functionality...
[04:13] <stvn> ulisse: same here
[04:13] <ulisse> stvn, I'm not alone!
[04:13] <ulisse> :-)
[04:13] <stvn> :)
[04:14] <ulisse> stvn, let's try to track down a method to reproduce
[04:14] <Rene_S> ummm
[04:14] <Rene_S> This isnt a dating channel
[04:14] <hays> I've heard ubuntu is using this LDFLAGS of interest
[04:14] <Rene_S> reproduce in private
[04:14] <hays> anyone know about it?
[04:14] <ulisse> :-)
[04:15] <seb128> stvn: what does it do ?
[04:15] <Aron_Figaro> Nonphasis: so far I'm hating Rhythmbox
[04:15] <stvn> ulisse: basically if the window is not focussed, window list doesn't respond the first time
[04:15] <Aron_Figaro> Nonphasis: So far it hasn't DONE anything besides give me errors...
[04:15] <seb128> stvn: you re sure that it doesn't give the focus to the window ?
[04:15] <bretzel> Hi there , any one knows how ( or if it is by default installed ...) to get mp2enc tool ?
[04:16] <seb128> stvn: that's not a big change, but if you press a key the app should key it after the click
[04:16] <stvn> seb128: it removes the focus of the focussed window, but does not focus the selected window
[04:16] <Rene_S> Aron_Figaro, try amarok, you can get all the deps for it from the repo's and build it quite well
[04:16] <seb128> stvn: you try to enter a char ? and it doesn't go in the app ?
[04:17] <stvn> seb128: works with gedit, doesn't seem to work with evolution
[04:17] <seb128> stvn: perhaps because the focus is not on a text entry part in evo by default
[04:17] <seb128> stvn: if you switch to evo with alt-tab, does it behaves differently ?
[04:17] <ulisse> seb128, ie I lowered the xchat window, then clicked around on the screen and then clicked back xchat: window didn't raise; s I tried to type some chars with the window lowered, but when raised up there was no chars.
[04:18] <stvn> seb128: if you have a set of windows grouped, the first time you click the list shows briefly and goes, the second time it says put
[04:18] <zido> Nonphasis, where can i get it for ubuntu ?
[04:18] <stvn> seb128: evolutions title bar doesn't change color, whereas gedits does
[04:19] <seb128> stvn: works here ...
[04:19] <bretzel> ??
[04:19] <Nonphasis> zido: universe
[04:20] <stvn> seb128: heh, just checked with openoffice, it doesn't get focus, nor does char typing have any effect
[04:20] <Nonphasis> zido: uncomment the universe line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:21] <LameNick> why isn't gnome 2.9.3 in hoary YET?
[04:21] <ulisse> seb128, I just tried to disable windows grouping, but no changes still
[04:21] <Nonphasis> Aron_Figaro: yes, rb == pain but it's going to be *the* media player in gnome so lets hope it gets its act together
[04:21] <seb128> oups
[04:21] <seb128> xorg crash
[04:21] <seb128> LameNick: it is for weeks
[04:21] <stvn> seb128: (i got focus follow mouse) if you keep your mouse over the window-list applet, you can select any window and it works
[04:21] <LameNick> seb128: let me check
[04:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> do any of you guys find it impossible to connect to dalnet in ubuntu?
[04:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> something about it's setup makes dalnet think it is a "trojan" or something.
[04:22] <LameNick> seb128: your right
[04:22] <stvn> ulisse: do you also have focus follows mouse enabled?
[04:22] <smurfix> OK, who killed the right+middle mouse button in galeon?
[04:22] <smurfix> (hoary)
[04:22] <ulisse> stvn, no, i can try...
[04:22] <zido> Nonphasis: this is what i get:  "W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)"
[04:23] <stvn> huh?? now gedit doesn't work properly anymore either
[04:24] <stvn> and now it does work
[04:24] <stvn> this is very strange...
[04:24] <smurfix> ... alternately, is there an add-on for firefox that understands Galeon's "Smart URL" bookmarks?
[04:25] <ulisse> stvn, focus follow mouse seems not to work on my machine...
[04:25] <stvn> ulisse seb128 : if i move 'n click fast, it works if not it doesn't
[04:26] <Nonphasis> zido: what line did you uncomment?
[04:26] <stvn> it's def. a speed thing, everything works, if clicked fast enough
[04:26] <Nonphasis> zido: deb or deb-src?
[04:26] <seb128> I probably click fast enough so :p
[04:26] <stvn> seb128: heh
[04:26] <stvn> seb128: try moving very slowly
[04:26] <seb128> but if I keep the button pressed for 5s that's still ok when I unpress it
[04:26] <zido> both?
[04:27] <zido> they both said universe
[04:27] <stvn> seb128: it's not the speed of clicking, it's the time between entering the applet and clicking on an item
[04:27] <zido> do i have to comment the two others that say "deb" and "deb-src" then?
[04:27] <zido> av, 4 actually :p
[04:28] <Nonphasis> zido: no, you don't need to comment anything
[04:28] <zido> well, i didn't, so that's not the problem then :p
[04:28] <stvn> seb128: actually, if i keep my mouse button pressed (when slow) the selected item gets released even before i release my mouse button
[04:28] <seb128> stvn: if I go in the applet and wait 10s and then click that still works
[04:28] <Nonphasis> zido: what is the uncommented line like? paste it
[04:28] <stvn> seb128: odd
[04:29] <zido> "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe" and "deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe"
[04:29] <ghita> doese anyone know about bug1293?
[04:29] <Nonphasis> zido: can't check myself, my main machine that's running U is not on ATM
[04:29] <seb128> stvn: oh ok, got an issue. Press on a button and move to the next one before unpressing
[04:29] <zido> i'm supposed to use "apt-get install totem-xine" afterwards?
[04:29] <Nonphasis> zido: they seem to be ok
[04:30] <Nonphasis> zido: yes
[04:30] <Nonphasis> zido: after apt-get update, of course
[04:30] <zido> oh
[04:30] <ghita> bug1293?
[04:31] <stvn> seb128: yeah, but i don't think it's that undesired, if one moves of a button while being pressed, it might be he doesn't want to press that button after all
[04:31] <zido> that might have been the problem
[04:31] <zido> updating now
[04:31] <seb128> stvn: yep
[04:31] <Ensiferum> i just wonder one thing... if you mark gcc-3.3-base for removal
[04:31] <Ensiferum> almost the whole fucking system gets removed
[04:32] <Ensiferum> why on earth?
[04:32] <zido> there we are :)
[04:32] <zido> thanks
[04:32] <Nonphasis> zido: great. enjoy your pr0n collection ;-)
[04:32] <zido> haha, The OC, but heey, they're beautiful so...
[04:35] <_Devin_> hi
[04:35] <Nonphasis> zido: you might also want to take a look at ubuntuguide.org
[04:36] <_Devin_> adding a module name to etc/hotplug/blacklist is enough to not load it at boottime? or hotplug is works only "after-boot"?
[04:36] <Nonphasis> zido: it has quick tips for tasks like multimedia
[04:36] <kotau>  will mounting /hdb+c [when they are windows partitions]  allow me to access the data on those disks?
[04:36] <Nonphasis> kotau: fat or ntfs?
[04:36] <kotau> ntfs
[04:37] <Nonphasis> kotau: tough luck ;-)
[04:37] <Nonphasis> kotau: at least not writably
[04:37] <kotau> no way.....  I cannot even read or fileshare?
[04:37] <ghita> bug1293?
[04:37] <Nonphasis> kotau: rule number 1 - never format anything as ntfs
[04:37] <Nonphasis> kotau: you should be able to read
[04:38] <Vaportrail> Nonphasis: If you are a Windows-User, NTFS would be your best choince....
[04:38] <Nonphasis> Vaportrail: not if you are a dual-booter
[04:38] <Vaportrail> Nonphasis: as I said, if you are a Windows-User :)
[04:39] <Nonphasis> Vaportrail: well, windows-only user
[04:39] <Vaportrail> well yes
[04:40] <Nonphasis> essentially, ntfs is for corporate users or users who are true clueless to ever run Linux as far as current state of linux is concerned
[04:40] <knath> got a queston re: networking if anyone can help
[04:41] <mjr> Nonphasis, very much disagree, though if you need to share data, a separate fat32 partition would be good for that.
[04:41] <knath> whenever two interfaces are configured & up, networking stops working.  i.e., can't ping out, can't resolve dns, etc.
[04:42] <TTilus> use fileserver if you need to share data between systems
[04:42] <knath> if i ifdown eth0 or ifdown eth1, then things start to work again.
[04:42] <kotau> ahahaha, great. I just switched after dealing with SP2, and backed up all my data to an NTFS drive.  I had been knocking around the idea of dual booting since I game frequently, but I hate windows too much.
[04:42] <Nonphasis> mjr: many Linux users use the windows partition for games only where data corruption wont matter
[04:42] <TTilus> knath: _how_ they are up, ie how doya conf?
[04:43] <TTilus> do address ranges overlap?
[04:43] <TTilus> have you defined gateway?
[04:44] <kotau> nonphasis: allright... is there any way for windows to be able to read any linux partition?
[04:44] <knath> TTilus, both interfaces are conf w/DHCP.   DHCP server issues static ips based on mac
[04:44] <xukun> hmm no wireless card in warty!
[04:45] <TTilus> knath: flood your ifconfig ouput privately, OK?
[04:45] <knath> TTilus, hmm.. is gateway a per interface setting?
[04:45] <TTilus> knath: yes
[04:45] <Nonphasis> kotau: some programs do
[04:45] <Nonphasis> kotau: partition magic perhaps...
[04:46] <TTilus> kotau: i've heard of ext2explorer (or something pretty cose sounding)
[04:46] <kotau> I have as well.  Hmm
[04:46] <TTilus> kotau: go google?
[04:46] <knath> TTilus, sorry--how do I chat privately?  new to IRC.
[04:46] <TTilus>  /msg TTilus [your message] 
[04:47] <kotau> It really sucks to have the biggest drives in the house and on the network :(
[04:47] <Kyaneos> hi
[04:48] <mjr> TTilus, yep, there's something called something like that that'll read ext2/3 :)
[04:52] <Nonphasis> kotau: i have partitioned my windos disks to 30gig FAT partitions
[04:52] <Nonphasis> kotau: and you can share the files on the network with Samba
[04:52] <kotau> nonphasis; I have a huge shared drive on this box, currently formatted with ntfs.  If I can get readonly to the drive that would be ok, but will users on the windows network be able to see and pull data from the drive? ok so that would work only with fat?
[04:53] <Nonphasis> kotau: if you can read the files, you can share them with samba
[04:53] <Nonphasis> kotau: with ntfs as well
[04:53] <kotau> but no writing to the disk
[04:53] <kotau> I'll bet its bs proprietary format from ntfs right
[04:54] <Nonphasis> kotau: yes, no writing (without the risk of corruption)
[04:54] <Nonphasis> yes, ntfs is proprietary and veryvery complex
[04:55] <Nonphasis> i guess you should google for "linux ntfs" or something
[04:55] <Heretushi> xukun, I did it! :P
[04:55] <xukun> Heretushi, tell me
[04:55] <Heretushi> I'm writing this on my Ubuntu box.
[04:55] <Heretushi> So.
[04:55] <Nonphasis> or even "ubuntu ntfs"
[04:55] <Heretushi> I had to disable WEP... :(
[04:55] <Nonphasis> I'm just too paranoid to ever deal with ntfs
[04:56] <Heretushi> I have to find a way to enable WEP and get this working.
[04:56] <xukun> Heretushi, good for you
[04:56] <surbiff> does anyone "more than me# think thar firefox is slow?
[04:57] <Vaportrail> surbiff, did u disable ipv6?
[04:57] <surbiff> no?
[04:57] <surbiff> i shall read about it. thanks
[04:57] <Vaportrail> yes you should :)
[04:58] <xukun> my wireless does not work, after installing it did not loaded the atmel_cs module so modprobed atmel_cs and it loads but if I do ifconfig -a there is only eth0 which is the normal card
[04:58] <Heretushi> Anyone have any idea on WHY "su" command does not recognize my password? NO, it's not CAPSLOCK.
[04:58] <Vaportrail> I don't know if the easy way with: "about:config" filter-> network.dns.disableIPv6 true is working
[04:58] <mjr> because ubuntu has no root password by default
[04:58] <mjr> use sudo
[04:58] <xukun> Heretushi, try sudo
[04:58] <Heretushi> xukun, this is bad. I didn't have to do squat and it was recognized... :S
[04:59] <xukun> Heretushi, lucky you
[04:59] <Heretushi> xukun, meh, I think this has to do with the model of my card, not my personal luck. ;)
[04:59] <xukun> Heretushi, that is what I meant :-)
[04:59] <stvn> seb128: is there already a bugreport on that windowlist bug?
[05:00] <seb128> stvn: no
[05:00] <Heretushi> How do I go into root mode? Like sudo alone execute a command in su mode no?
[05:00] <seb128> stvn: perhaps upstream ..
[05:00] <stvn> Heretushi: sudo -s
[05:00] <Heretushi> Thanks!
[05:01] <stvn> seb128: k i'll have a look
[05:01] <Heretushi> It's like you're a damn bible or something.
[05:01] <Heretushi> Well, I'm trying that WEP thing so I WILL get disconnected. :P
[05:02] <xukun> is there some kind of atmel firmware that I have to load before my wireless card works in warty?
[05:02] <stvn> a damn bible, that is
[05:03] <superkitty> stvn i wondered that too... wouldnt that be the satanic bible?
[05:03] <stvn> i think so
[05:03] <superkitty> stvn do you run hoary or warty?
[05:03] <stvn> hoary
[05:04] <superkitty> can i ask why? i dont see much difference
[05:04] <jmob|> superkitty, firefox 1.0
[05:04] <stvn> superkitty: newer software (need qgis), more fun gnome stuff
[05:05] <stvn> superkitty: and i missed my daily updates/breakage ;)
[05:05] <gnobody> I upgraded to hoary and it broke my sound I have a Sound Blaster Live! 5.1
[05:05] <xukun> hmm  Atmel firmware: integrated into linux-source. I,m lost
[05:05] <superkitty> lol, i am using warty, and lovin it
[05:06] <thuisfred> I tried upgrading from warty to hoary this morning, but it didn fly. Couldn't get X working again. Probably something to do with nvidia drivers or something. So now I back at warty
[05:07] <Prower> Hello :> Out of curiousity, is it possible to use XOrg rather than XFree86 with 4.10? I've never used it before
[05:07] <superkitty> it would be cool if gnome would come out with a OSX theme
[05:07] <Nonphasis> Prower: in practice, no
[05:07] <sjoerd> superkitty: apple sues you if you do that
[05:07] <Prower> Nonphasis: Oh, I see...that's too bad
[05:07] <superkitty> sj screw em if they cant take the compliment
[05:08] <Nonphasis> Prower: i don't see why one would care... it's just the same old X after all
[05:08] <Nonphasis> one of the reasons i switced away from Fedora was xorg and the way it kept crashing
[05:08] <Prower> Nonphasis: Well, XOrg has some extensions for shadowing and translucent windows that I tend to like :>
[05:09] <Nonphasis> Prower: ah... didn't see any of that when i tried it in FC2
[05:09] <Prower> Nonphasis: Ahh, yes...that's something that's turned off by default I think, you have to enable them in the config file
[05:09] <xukun> maybe hoary will do a better job (:-
[05:10] <Nonphasis> i also raed that the new features are still slow-ish
[05:10] <thuisfred> just out of interest, has anyone been able to get the prerelease of freewheelin to run on ubuntu?
[05:10] <Chrais> hi
[05:10] <xukun> !seen bob2
[05:10] <xukun> naah
[05:11] <maps73> Vaportrail, hy
[05:11] <Vaportrail> hi maps73 :)
[05:11] <userPanic> hi
[05:11] <Prower> Nonphasis: Yes, they are unless you enable render acceleration, and even then it can be slow at times :/
[05:11] <Chrais> I have a little problem with a pcmcia wifi card :/ someone could help me please ?
[05:11] <userPanic> I have a trivia-like question: is k3b on the ubuntu install CD?
[05:12] <Prower> As long as the included version of an X server will work with the latest NVidia drivers, though, then I'll use it anyway
[05:12] <Nonphasis> userPanic: no
[05:12] <xukun> bob2, hi bob2
[05:12] <Nonphasis> yes, nvidia drivers work fine
[05:12] <xukun> userPanic, just ask
[05:13] <userPanic> Nonphasis: then xcdroast? or what does it have for burning CDs?
[05:13] <Prower> Nonphasis: Well that's good to know then :> Seems that the packages are slightly more up to date than Debian's as well, which is encouraging
[05:13] <Nonphasis> userPanic: check out ubuntuguide.org
[05:13] <Prower> (Without using unstable packages, that is)
[05:13] <Nonphasis> Prower: "slightly", compared to Woody? ;-)
[05:13] <stvn> seb128: i don't find it in bugzilla.gnome, so i guess it's not yet reported
[05:14] <Tushi> W00t.
[05:14] <Prower> Nonphasis: As in the included kernel not being two whole point releases behind, yes ;>
[05:14] <seb128> stvn: yeah, and I guess it'll not be fixed soon and be annoying for everybody if you don't find a way to reproduce it
[05:14] <Tushi> Heretushi should be kicked. I was disconnected. :P
[05:14] <zido> how do i turn off automatic X on boot?
[05:15] <zido> or just, how do i close X, when Linux automaticly starts up X on boot?
[05:15] <stvn> seb128: true, ah well I'll file a bug anyway, maybe someone else who can reproduce it can shed some light
[05:15] <Nonphasis> zido: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[05:15] <zido> ok
[05:15] <zido> thanks
[05:15] <Nonphasis> zido: sudo that too
[05:15] <ArCHoNKoG> can you get hoary debs or packages for debian ?
[05:15] <xukun> zindo edit /etc/X11/default display something
[05:15] <gnobody> I upgraded to hoary and it broke my sound I have a Sound Blaster Live! 5.1
[05:15] <zido> what?
[05:16] <gnobody> has anybody experienced anything like this?
[05:16] <ArCHoNKoG> gnobody, check your sound setting
[05:16] <userPanic> ok, thanks for the link
[05:16] <ArCHoNKoG> its not broken
[05:16] <xukun> zido, vi /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[05:16] <seb128> stvn: fill it upstream rather if you can :)
[05:16] <zido> Nonphasis, do what with it too?
[05:16] <Nonphasis> gnobody: that is prone to happen when running Hoary...
[05:16] <stvn> k
[05:16] <zido> hmm
[05:16] <xukun> zido, comment that out
[05:16] <Nonphasis> zido: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[05:16] <ArCHoNKoG> can you upgrade from sarge to hoary ?
[05:16] <gnobody> how do I check my sound settings
[05:17] <zido> /usr/bin/gdm
[05:17] <gnobody> I think my ATi TV wonder could be conflicting with it
[05:17] <ArCHoNKoG> amixer
[05:17] <Prower> Another question, if I might -- I'm intending to run this distribution on a web server...how often are packages updated for security vulnerabilities? I managed to find the advisory page, glad to see that they have one
[05:17] <xukun> Nonphasis, that will only stop this time, but will start x on next boot
[05:17] <Nonphasis> xukun: it will, but it was ok for zido
[05:18] <ArCHoNKoG> can you upgrade from sarge to hoary ?
[05:18] <gnobody> how do I run alsaconf?
[05:18] <ArCHoNKoG> gnobody, run amixer
[05:18] <xukun> Nonphasis, <zido> or just, how do i close X, when Linux automaticly starts up X on boot?
[05:19] <xukun> I dont care
[05:19] <TTilus> Prower: "this on webserver" or "webserver on this"?
[05:19] <gnobody> I did run amixer
[05:19] <userPanic> totally OT, could anyone suggest a small liveCD that can be installed to HD, and has k3b in it?
[05:19] <TTilus> xukun: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop ?
[05:20] <Prower> TTilus: Sorry, I should have been more clear :> Ubuntu will be used as the host operating system for a web server
[05:20] <gnobody> sdl sound works and that is the only server that works
[05:20] <gnobody> if that helps any
[05:20] <gnobody> I can hear music when using Mplayer using SDL
[05:20] <TTilus> Prower: how "serious" web serving?
[05:20] <Nonphasis> Prower: Ubuntu seems to have very timely security fixes
[05:21] <Nonphasis> Prower: i.e. when the bug is fixed
[05:21] <TTilus> Prower: anything else than webserving?
[05:21] <Prower> TTilus: That depends...it's currently a test machine, it'll solely be used for web serving when I'm finished with it
[05:21] <Prower> Nonphasis: Ahh..well that's always a good thing :>
[05:21] <TTilus> Prower: do you inted to have paying customers?
[05:21] <xukun> which debian I release is hoary based on, testing unstable or what?
[05:22] <Nonphasis> xukun: unstable
[05:22] <gnobody> sid
[05:22] <Prower> TTilus: Most likely, yes, but the database will be on a separate server
[05:22] <dud> morning good folks
[05:22] <TTilus> afaik ubuntu releases are always forked from Debian sid (unstable)
[05:23] <TTilus> Prower: why not Debian stable?
[05:23] <dud> #norge
[05:23] <dud> sorry hehe
[05:23] <Ensiferum> isnt debian stable like 10 years old always?
[05:23] <Nonphasis> TTilus: Debian stable? tho same OS grandfather used to run?
[05:23] <TTilus> Ensiferum: yes, is it a problem?  :)
[05:24] <TTilus> Nonphasis: y, the very same
[05:24] <ArCHoNKoG> i jsut want gnome 2.9.3 that hoary testing
[05:24] <ArCHoNKoG> i dont know how
[05:24] <Ensiferum> TTilus: for someone with rather new computer debian is nothing but one big problem
[05:24] <Prower> TTilus: It's the opinion of the people I'm working with that it's too outdated...whether or not that's relevant isn't up to me, unfortunately
[05:24] <zido> i'm trying to install the nVidia Graphics drivers, but it says i'm missing some kernel source files
[05:24] <TTilus> Prower: too bad
[05:25] <Ensiferum> zido: you need the kernel headers
[05:25] <ArCHoNKoG> zido, get nvdia-glx
[05:25] <ArCHoNKoG> and then
[05:25] <ArCHoNKoG> do
[05:25] <Nonphasis> TTilus: I bet Woody will have lousy performance compared to a modern distro
[05:25] <dud> ive enquired before, but just in case for any new visitors shedding a bit of light on this issue of mine... my 16x dvd burner cant burn any faster than 2x on ubuntu
[05:25] <ArCHoNKoG> nvidia-glx-config enable and you should he good
[05:25] <Nonphasis> slower kernel and all that
[05:25] <dud> its really bugging the heck out of me
[05:25] <TTilus> Prower: i'm always runnin stable when i need something to be stable...  ;)
[05:25] <Ensiferum> dud: pio?
[05:26] <TTilus> Nonphasis: based on?
[05:26] <dud> Ensiferum, the drive is running udma2 mode
[05:26] <Prower> TTilus: And that certainly makes sense :> I think most of their  hardware needs features in the 2.6 line of kernels to work optimally, but I'm not sure about the details
[05:26] <dud> and my harddrives udma5
[05:26] <Nonphasis> TTilus: kernel benchmarks
[05:26] <xukun> zido, and after that http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[05:26] <Ensiferum> dud: mkay
[05:27] <dud> actually im suspecting my system to have some sort of bottle neck
[05:27] <dud> because i tried another benq dvd burner
[05:27] <Prower> It's surprising, when I first looked up Ubuntu I was expecting to see one of those three man distributions that never really got anywhere ;> It looks pretty impressive so far
[05:27] <dud> and it did the same thing
[05:27] <dud> it would be interesting to test burning under win32 just to compare
[05:27] <TTilus> Nonphasis: that's true, yes...
[05:27] <Ensiferum> dud: seems like a kernel/driver problem
[05:27] <dud> i dunno really
[05:27] <Nonphasis> yeah, Ubuntu seems to be a phenomenal success already
[05:28] <dud> im thinking some sort of hardware bottleneck
[05:28] <Ensiferum> dud: unlikely
[05:28] <Nonphasis> all the Linux n00bs I have recommended it to have been surprised by the ease
[05:28] <dud> possibly the fact that i have a rather crap FIC motherboard, with a celeron 2,6ghz
[05:28] <Chrais> I have a pcmcia NetGear 511 wireless card and ndiswrapper to use windows drivers ndiswrapper seems to work but i can't make a iwconfig eth1 scan. it return nothing ... Gnome doesn't recognize her to. Someone has an idea ? :/
[05:28] <dud> i dunno... its not a very good setup compared to the latest and greatest
[05:29] <Ensiferum> dud: i'm sure you can burn faster on windows
[05:29] <dud> could it be a not so well optimized kernel do you think Ensiferum ?
[05:29] <Nonphasis> dud: to me it seems like a software problem
[05:29] <dud> ive noticed ubuntu loads like 10 uneeded kernel modules at least
[05:29] <dud> through hotplug i suppose
[05:29] <discord> any console heads out there?
[05:29] <Nonphasis> unneeded modules don't matter
[05:29] <dud> Nonphasis, so ive heard as well
[05:30] <jkka> dud, its not that hard to block unneeded hotplugged devices??
[05:30] <Ensiferum> dud: those are not problem per se, unless they conflict with something
[05:30] <dud> just blacklist them i suppose
[05:30] <dud> Ensiferum, should i do a make config on the kernel?
[05:30] <dud> build a custom...
[05:30] <jkka> i had to blacklist nvidia_agp to get my agp work properly
[05:30] <Ensiferum> dud: are you good at building kernels?
[05:31] <dud> ive read somewhere that scsi ide emulation might speed things up?
[05:31] <dud> Ensiferum, ive ran *nix for quite a few years now
[05:31] <dud> administered a few servers as well
[05:31] <Ensiferum> dud: up to you. i wouldnt try. i have had enough of dicking around with building kernels
[05:31] <dud> but how about loading scsi-ide?
[05:31] <Ensiferum> dud: for scsi emulation you need to have scsi support in kernel
[05:32] <Ensiferum> and you not ide support built in
[05:32] <dud> could it possibly matter if you use ide-cd of scsi-ide?
[05:32] <crimsun> using scsi emulation in 2.6.10 is a bad idea in hoary. Unless of course you like stuff that doesn't work properly.
[05:32] <Ensiferum> cause otherwise it will choose ide over scsi-emulation
[05:32] <dud> crimsun, i see
[05:32] <dud> i dont think ide-cd is the bottleneck
[05:32] <dud> it just sounds unlikely doesnt it
[05:32] <StepByStep> Does the iptables firewall run as a process that is picked up by "ps aux"?
[05:32] <discord> anybody know if i can look at the kernel config for the default 2.6 kernel for ubuntu or do they have an html page telling what they compiled in?
[05:33] <dud> StepByStep, no, its in the kernel space
[05:33] <crimsun> discord: /boot/config-`uname -r`
[05:33] <dud> not running as a process per say
[05:33] <StepByStep> ah... thanks, dud
[05:33] <discord> crimsun, thanks: that was fast
[05:33] <dud> afaik anyhow StepByStep
[05:33] <crimsun> StepByStep: iptables is the userspace util to manipulate the kernelspace portion called netfilter.
[05:33] <dud> right hehe
[05:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm trying to run ./configure on gaim 1.1.1 and i get this error:
[05:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[05:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> wtf
[05:34] <dud> im not very well traversed within linux security thruth be told
[05:34] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: sudo apt-get build-dep gaim
[05:34] <dud> i usually outsource security...
[05:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> jesus h christ
[05:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> why won't it just run the configure script?
[05:35] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: ...because you don't have the necessary packages installed?
[05:35] <dud> you need gcc and stuff
[05:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm trying to compile from source which is more recent than the deb packages available with apt-get.
[05:35] <dud> dont have a cow
[05:35] <stvn> BROKEN_LADDER: because you don't have the build tools installed
[05:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i install them?  what are they called?
[05:35] <dud> short tempered or something?
[05:35] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: I just told you.
[05:35] <Prower> Hmm..just out of curiousity, there seems to be some argument on the forums about monthly calendars :> I assume this isn't something that's required, or installed by default?
[05:35] <stvn> BROKEN_LADDER: apt-get install build-essentials
[05:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> you told me something about gaim
[05:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> the line you old me included gaim.
[05:35] <dud> Prower, apt-get install ubuntu-calendar
[05:35] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: build-dep gaim will pull in all the necessary packages to compile gaim
[05:35] <dud> +sudo
[05:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> if i want generic build tools that will allow me to run a configure script, there's no reason any line i type should include the name of a particular package/program
[05:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay..
[05:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'll give it a try.
[05:36] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: I'm trying to make your life easier.
[05:36] <dud> how could you possibly compile something without a compiler?
[05:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> but once this is done, i won't have to do this to configure other packages, right?
[05:36] <dud> be it generic or not
[05:36] <Prower> dud: Ahh, so it's something that's optional then :> I'd imagine installing risque wallpaper on the webserver wouldn't go over well
[05:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> of course i need a compiler.
[05:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm shocked that's not in my system by default.
[05:36] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you'll have to do it for other package's Build-Depends
[05:36] <crimsun> packages', rather
[05:37] <sjoerd> BROKEN_LADDER: could you lowercase your nick please ? :)
[05:37] <dud> Prower, its more arty than even remotely pornographic :)
[05:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's your problem with my nick?
[05:37] <stvn> BROKEN_LADDER: most users don't need a compiler, since they don't compile software themselves
[05:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> could you use an upper-case nick please?
[05:37] <trey3> BROKEN_LADDER: apt-get install build-essentail for generic build tools... apt-get build-dep for specific to app... Ubuntu is a desktop distro, most of its target audiance will never compile, why install such things?
[05:37] <dud> str_to_upper();
[05:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> a linux system without a compiler is just bizarre.
[05:37] <tim1> hello
[05:37] <Prower> dud: Oh, yes...by the sounds of the forum discussions, that seems to be the case :> Still, it's likely something that they'd wind up complaining about
[05:37] <stvn> BROKEN_LADDER: caps is considered shouting in itc, so it's painful to the ear^H^H^Heye
[05:38] <stvn> irc
[05:38] <sjoerd> BROKEN_LADDER: that it's looks like shouting on my screen
[05:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's just ridiculous.
[05:38] <discord> crimsun, i keep getting permission denied even when i sudo
[05:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> shouting?
[05:38] <dud> Prower, its in the human nature to complain and whine ;)
[05:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's capital letters.  i'm not shouting anything.  text doesn't have a "volume" level.
[05:38] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: like stvn said, a desktop-oriented distro like Ubuntu does not imply a compiler is necessary by default.
[05:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> sure it is.
[05:38] <Prower> dud: Yes, that I certainly can't argue with
[05:38] <Keybuk> BROKEN_LADDER: Software in Ubuntu is distributed in binary packages, there's generally no reason for most uses to compile software on it so we don't ship a toolchain in the default desktop install.  You can install the essential toolchain by installing the "build-essential" package -- to build particular packages, they may have additional requirements (for example, a GNOME development environment), you can install those with "apt-get build-dep package"
[05:38] <kent> BROKEN_LADDER, thats sort of the culture on irc. uppercase is for shouting, and it looks bad,
[05:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's stupid
[05:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think lowercase letters look bad.
[05:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> they are pointless and stupid
[05:39] <dud> for christ sake, lets just settle with the fact that some people prefer to compile, and some prefer binary
[05:39] <kent> BROKEN_LADDER, perhaps,  but since its sort of the culture, its polite to follow.
[05:39] <ogra> BROKEN_LADDER: could you please adjust it ?
[05:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> there's no reason to have two sets of each letter.  we should all just use traditional uppercase letters.
[05:39] <crimsun> that's great, BROKEN_LADDER, but four of us have answered your question now. :)
[05:39] <dud> you can install build tools in seconds
[05:39] <tim1> can anybody help me with my (broken) dbus-1? it always say "Failed to start message bus: Failed to open "/etc/dbus-1/system.conf": No such file or directory" when in want to start it.
[05:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's just my nick, it's not like i'm typing lines of caps.
[05:39] <_d4vid> http://sales.limewire.com/040508/fo0u82D7914GAK0mL0OMWiIsSJpXVmBN/index.shtml
[05:40] <ACIDnet> hey,  how can i copy all of my /home/ to a mnt??  Trying sudo cp /home/user /mnt/share/home/user   but it doesnt copy all of the files and subdirectorie
[05:40] <dud> and lets all be grand and try not to take notice of the caps... :P
[05:40] <Keybuk> ACIDnet: cp -a /source /dest
[05:40] <crimsun> discord: what are you attempting to do?
[05:40] <dud> or cp -R /source /dest
[05:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> Couldn't find package build-essentials
[05:40] <dud> or recursive copying
[05:40] <dud> s/or/for
[05:40] <discord> crimsun, how do I use uname on that config file
[05:41] <Keybuk> BROKEN_LADDER: it's just "build-essential", no 's' on the end
[05:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> cool
[05:41] <discord> I tried uname -r /boot/config-2.6
[05:41] <discord> and /boot/config-2.6 uname-r
[05:41] <ACIDnet> Keybuk, : Cheers, now, if i was to do the same onto another ubuntu system, overridding the /home/user (both have same username) would it work correctly or would it error and die
[05:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh yay..now my configure script is working.
[05:42] <tim1> what is this system.conf? how do i create it?
[05:42] <discord> and /boot/config-2|uname -r
[05:42] <Keybuk> ACIDnet: I'm not sure I understand what you mean?
[05:42] <crimsun> discord: I don't understand what you're trying to do
[05:42] <ACIDnet> i have two ubuntu systems
[05:42] <ACIDnet> my main, and my second partition on my laptop
[05:42] <dud> discord, why would you pipe that to uname?
[05:42] <crimsun> discord: /boot/config-`uname -r` is a text file that contains your kernel configuration
[05:42] <Keybuk> ACIDnet: on two different machines?
[05:43] <ACIDnet> i want to move home from my main onto my laptop so it looks the same with all the same times - (two different systems)
[05:43] <crimsun> discord: use an $EDITOR, or pager, or less or more on that file
[05:43] <dud> using backticks in bash means that you execute a sub process
[05:43] <crimsun> discord: (e.g., pager /boot/config-`uname -r`)
[05:43] <dud> and whatever that process returns, is replaced with the backticks
[05:43] <dud> basically
[05:43] <Rashad> Hello every body ,I am linux newbie, its my first time with ubuntu If finished installation and the setup didn't ask me what applications I want to install, I don't have a desktop even, no Gnome no KDE anyone can help me????
[05:44] <discord> crimson thanks i guess i did not understand uname
[05:44] <Keybuk> ACIDnet: right ... and you have a way of transferring the files between the two machines?
[05:44] <ACIDnet> yeah
[05:44] <dud> uname -r just spits out the version of your current kernel
[05:44] <tim1> can anybody help me with my (broken) dbus-1? it always say "Failed to start message bus: Failed to open "/etc/dbus-1/system.conf": No such file or directory" when in want to start it.
[05:44] <Keybuk> ACIDnet: should work fine then
[05:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's strange Rashad.  when i installed it asked me to reboot and let it connect to the net to finish installing packages.
[05:44] <xukun> well thanks to haory I have wireless card now :-)
[05:44] <dud> ACIDnet, id read up on rsync if i were you
[05:44] <ACIDnet> ok, cool
[05:44] <dud> you can preserv dates and even permissions with that
[05:44] <ACIDnet> thanks :)
[05:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> my next task in ubuntu is to get automount daemon working.
[05:44] <Nonphasis> BROKEN_LADDER: wow, that's one contorted nick you have
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> shut up about my nick!
[05:45] <Rashad> it connected to the net and installed security updates only
[05:45] <Nonphasis> BROKEN_LADDER: it's all over my screen ;-)
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's the name of my band.
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> all over???
[05:45] <tidalwav> I've been using Ubuntu for a while, but I messed everything up so much that I'm doing a clean install.
[05:45] <tidalwav> is there any way to specify to install a 686 kernel instead of the default 386 one?
[05:45] <stvn> Rashad: what did you do so far?
[05:45] <Nonphasis> BROKEN_LADDER: YES, ITS SO LOUDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm in 1600x1200..i don't know what your problem might be except your resolution is too low.
[05:45] <ACIDnet> now i have 1 other questions,  trying to use XLiveCD (remote connect from windows machine to ubuntu and use gnome as if i was there) however i can run things like emacs fine but when i type startx it says im not allowed - any ideas?
[05:45] <dud> tidalwav, apt-get install linux-kernel-686
[05:45] <Keybuk> BROKEN_LADDER: what do you need the automount daemon for?
[05:46] <dud> or something similar i believe
[05:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> of course it's ridiculous that resolution affects the display size of things, but that's just how stupid x is.
[05:46] <tidalwav> dud: I know, but is there a 686 kernel on the installation CD?
[05:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> Keybuk: to do what it's supposed to do.
[05:46] <dud> im not sure if the install cd has multiple kernel images available
[05:46] <Rashad> I just inslled ubuntu the i386
[05:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> Keybuk:  instead of using this convoluted gnome mount system.
[05:46] <tidalwav> dud: that's how I did it last time, I don't see what good a 486 kernel is on my system, so I want to prevent it from being installed entirely
[05:46] <trey3> ACIDnet: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and ensure "console users" can start X...
[05:46] <tidalwav> *386
[05:46] <dud> tidalwav, just remove it with apt
[05:46] <Keybuk> BROKEN_LADDER: It's in the am-utils package; though the "gnome mount system" as you call it has little to do with gnome
[05:47] <ACIDnet> trey3: Thankyou
[05:47] <crimsun> tidalwav: I don't believe so; you can install linux-image-686 after the installation completes.
[05:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's fine.
[05:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's still not automount.
[05:47] <trey3> ACIDnet: dpkg-reconfigure debconf and set to low priority if you don't see the question...
[05:47] <tidalwav> dud: so I can do apt-get remove linux-386 and that won't mess anything up?
[05:47] <dud> tidalwav, if you install the 686 kernel first, you can do that safely
[05:47] <dud> no problem
[05:47] <Keybuk> BROKEN_LADDER: resolution shouldn't affect the size of fonts if your dpi setting is correct.  12pt should be the same size on any resolution or sized monitor.  Monitors generally lie about their resolution though, and I think GNOME nails it at 96dpi by default anyway
[05:47] <tidalwav> dud: okay, thanks :) and will the grub entries be removed? or will I have to do that manually
[05:48] <dud> apt will take care of grub as well i believe
[05:48] <dud> did so for me at least
[05:48] <tidalwav> k, cool
[05:48] <trey3> dud: linux-386 is an empty meta package, removing it alone wouldn't remove the kernel...
[05:48] <tidalwav> another random question
[05:48] <tidalwav> trey3: what would remove it
[05:48] <tidalwav> (saving random question for later)
[05:48] <Erix> hi
[05:49] <tidalwav> hi, erix :p
[05:49] <crimsun> Rashad: are you able to login via a graphical greeter (gdm, with the Ubuntu logo)?
[05:49] <trey3> tidalwav: removing the package (for instance linux-image-2.6.8-1-386) that the meta package installed...
[05:49] <tidalwav> trey3: okay.
[05:50] <krischan> guys, a kernel question: in order to install a certain software, it is required to have those kernel-headers installed that match my kernel. 'uname -a' reveals that I'm using kernel 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1, but the most recent kernel-headers package I can find in Synaptic is 2.6.7-1. What do I do?
[05:50] <tidalwav> other question: is there a way to turn off acpi and just use APM from the getgo, as an argument to the installer?
[05:50] <Rashad> crimsun: No I only see the command line login, startx is not a valid command
[05:50] <crimsun> krischan: install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[05:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> Keybuk: i'm not talking about just font size.  Are you aware of that?
[05:50] <tidalwav> hi again, vaportrail
[05:50] <crimsun> krischan: kernel-headers-foo is for Debian (and in 'universe'); linux-headers-foo is for Ubuntu
[05:51] <Vaportrail> hi tidalwav :)
[05:51] <tim1> can anybody help me with my (broken) dbus-1? it always say "Failed to start message bus: Failed to open "/etc/dbus-1/system.conf": No such file or directory" when in want to start it.
[05:51] <crimsun> Rashad: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> Keybuk:  and i don't believe the part you said about "any sized monitor".  Are you saying that x can tell the physical dimensions of my monitor???
[05:51] <Vaportrail> just checking out transparency on hoary
[05:51] <dud> you tell x how many inches your monitor is remember?
[05:51] <stvn> crimsun: if there's no startx, there's no X installed, isn't it?
[05:51] <crimsun> tim1: sudo apt-get --reinstall install dbus-1
[05:51] <Nonphasis> Vaportrail: well?
[05:51] <dud> 17" or so
[05:51] <mjg59> BROKEN_LADDER: X can actually tell the physical dimensions of most monitors
[05:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> dud: i'd love to tell it.
[05:51] <tidalwav> crimsun: I wish there was a way to just rerun the automatic x config from the installer, it would save people so much time trying to fix broken X configs
[05:51] <mjg59> The monitor tells it
[05:51] <Keybuk> BROKEN_LADDER: it should be able to, if your monitor doesn't lie
[05:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> interesting
[05:52] <tidalwav> anybody see my question about APM?
[05:52] <Vaportrail> nonphasis: wait, I'll just need to get it working:)
[05:52] <Keybuk> BROKEN_LADDER: xdpyinfo for me reveals "dimensions:    1280x1024 pixels (382x302 millimeters)", "resolution:    85x86 dots per inch"
[05:52] <Keybuk> which is actually correct
[05:52] <L3th3M> hi everybody!
[05:52] <Nonphasis> Vaportrail: oh, ok ;-)
[05:52] <tim1> crimsun: i already did that, it doesn't change
[05:52] <Rashad> thanx crimsum its working
[05:52] <dud> but a 17" monitor in marketing terms, isnt the screen surface. its the lenght of your picture tube
[05:52] <crimsun> Rashad: excellent.
[05:52] <Rashad> thanx stvn too
[05:53] <krischan> crimsun: Thanks for that hint! I wasn't aware of it. And of course I lov ya! :-)
[05:53] <darksatanic> dud: It's actually the corner-to-corner size of the tube (rather than the visible area)
[05:53] <dud> darksatanic, thats what i tried to say... im not a native english speaker hehe
[05:53] <darksatanic> dud: Ah, OK. Just me being pedantic, then. :)
[05:53] <maps73> Vaportrail,
[05:53] <dud> unavoidably a few technical terms i might not get right
[05:53] <Vaportrail> jup
[05:53] <tidalwav> Okay, I'll ask AGAIN: Is there any way to tell the ubuntu installer to use APM instead of ACPI, instead of turning it off after install?
[05:54] <Vaportrail> wait maps73
[05:54] <maps73> ok
[05:54] <Keybuk> darksatanic: for CRTs that's true, for TFT it's nearly always the visible area nowadays
[05:54] <mjg59> tidalwav: I'm not quite clear on the question
[05:54] <stvn> tidalwav: iirc you need to set it in grub
[05:54] <kotau> tidalwav: adjust the priority of your install level to medium to get more options
[05:54] <crimsun> tidalwav: is ACPI _that_ broken on your system that you need APM?
[05:54] <mjg59> tidalwav: There's no way to get the installer to have the installed system use APM rather than ACPI, no
[05:54] <tim1> hm ... no automount packages in universe :/
[05:54] <tidalwav> crimsun: yes
[05:54] <maps73> Vaportrail, I'm leaving the office. see you next time, bye
[05:54] <Keybuk> tim1: am-utils
[05:54] <tidalwav> mjg59, thank you, I'll just disable it after install
[05:55] <Keybuk>      6.0.9-3 0
[05:55] <Keybuk>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages
[05:55] <Vaportrail> cu maps73
[05:55] <tim1> keybuk: ah ok thanks
[05:55] <twig> Does anyone know if there is an internet connection sharing utility (like guidedog or the one in Mandrake Control Centre) that comes standard in Ubuntu^
[05:55] <tidalwav> crimsun, what's wrong with APM? With APM my compy actually turns off when it says power down, instead of me having to hit the button with ACPI
[05:55] <Keybuk> tidalwav: APM is deprecated and a lot of newer hardware doesn't even support it
[05:56] <tidalwav> keybuk: I'm running ubuntu on a six year old dell ;)
[05:56] <Keybuk> though Linux doesn't fully support every corner-case of ACPI yet
[05:56] <stvn> like my asus laptop :(
[05:56] <tidalwav> heh
[05:56] <tim1> automount seems no good workaround, and hald still needs dbus, damn dbus :(
[05:56] <Keybuk> the Ubuntu installer is intended to get you an installed system quickly, once installed you can adjust things like whether to use APM or ACPI
[05:57] <Keybuk> tim1: dpkg --force-depends --purge dbus-1 ; dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dbus-1_*
[05:57] <tidalwav> keybuk: okay ;)
[05:59] <Ensiferum> anyone know how to specify group for nsf mounts? nfs-howto doesnt seem to cover this. and i see no options for that in mount manpage either :p
[05:59] <tim1> Keybuk: that did it! thanks so much
[05:59] <Nonphasis> ACPI? That's one of the more troublesome technologies ever
[06:00] <Nonphasis> I'v read so much problems with it that it's not even funny anymore
[06:00] <crimsun> Nonphasis: APCI wouldn't work at all on my system until 2.6.10
[06:00] <crimsun> argh
[06:00] <crimsun> ACPI^
[06:00] <Nonphasis> I hope the people that first developed it are suffering somewhere
[06:01] <Nonphasis> yes, ACPI
[06:01] <elvirolo> hi all!
[06:01] <mjg59> Nonphasis: ACPI itself is great
[06:01] <mjg59> It abstracts things at about the right level
[06:01] <Keybuk> Nonphasis: mostly it's just that the support for it isn't quite finished yet
[06:01] <Nonphasis> mjg59: well, someone is screwing up anyway
[06:02] <elvirolo> libflac4 seems to hjave disappeard in Hoary... but JuK needs it
[06:02] <elvirolo> anyone has heard about this prob?
[06:02] <mjg59> It's a complicated technology that's difficult to implement
[06:02] <crimsun> elvirolo: known.
[06:02] <Vince-0> I get corrupted files when I cp an image off my mounted NTFS drive to my ubuntu - whats wrong ?
[06:02] <Keybuk> tim1: the reason "reinstall" didn't work is because dpkg treats deletion of a configuration file as a user change that should not be overriden
[06:02] <Nonphasis> mjg59: in hw or sw?
[06:02] <elvirolo> crimsun: ok, thx, it is planned to go back into Hoary or not?
[06:02] <Keybuk> but by purging and reinstalling it yourself, dpkg thinks it's a fresh install
[06:02] <mjg59> And Windows has a broken implementation, so lots of hardware vendors have produced stuff that works with Windows but doesn't conform to the spec
[06:02] <randabis-wireles> howdy ho
[06:02] <trey3> elvirolo: libflac4 is still in universe for me?
[06:02] <crimsun> elvirolo: apt-get source juk, change debian/control:Build-Depends to libflac-dev (>= 1.1.1-3) and rebuild
[06:03] <crimsun> elvirolo: libflac4 is gone, replaced by libflac6.
[06:03] <Nonphasis> well, one could say that MSFT played their cards right then
[06:03] <crimsun> elvirolo: hence the need to rebuild with a versioned libflac-dev
[06:03] <elvirolo> crimsun: ok, i just have to change the dependency, thanks a lot !
[06:03] <trey3> crimsun: I just apt-get update'd and still see it?
[06:03] <Nonphasis> b/c hw manufacturers need to provide stuff that works on win32 anyway
[06:03] <crimsun> (well, not "versioned" per se, but a stricter Build-Depends)
[06:04] <crimsun> trey3: numerous bug reports in Debian BTS and Ubuntu bugzilla about the FLAC 1.1.1 transition.
[06:04] <mjg59> Nonphasis: Spec-compliant stuff works on Windows as well
[06:04] <mjg59> But non-spec-compliant stuff also works on Windows (and not on Linux)
[06:07] <elvirolo> there's something else i'd like to know... are there packages for Entrance, Engage, etc... or do I have to build them by myself?
[06:07] <dud> Vince-0, try generating md5 sums for both the remote and local file
[06:07] <dud> see if they match up
[06:07] <Nonphasis> k
[06:08] <dud> elvirolo, try using apt-cache search?
[06:09] <crimsun> elvirolo: upstream cvs includes debian/ subdirs
[06:10] <crimsun> elvirolo: I don't know how closely they're tweaked for current sarge/sid, but you should be able to create debs if you follow the build procedure on raster's web site or in the mailing list archives
[06:10] <elvirolo> crimsun, ok, thanks a lot :)
[06:10] <dud> does anyone know a benchmark utitily, specifically for testing read/write and ide bus speeds?
[06:11] <elvirolo> many thx guys, bye!
[06:11] <crimsun> dud: I know of bonnie++ for HDs, but none specifically for IDE bus speeds...
[06:11] <crimsun> dud: there's also dbench
[06:11] <dud> i'd just like to see if my ide system is up to speeds generally
[06:11] <crimsun> dud: try hdparm, then.
[06:12] <crimsun> sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/foo
[06:12] <dud> lets see here...
[06:12] <neofeed> where does ubuntu have the kernels installed?
[06:13] <crimsun> neofeed: /boot/
[06:13] <randabis-wireles> in /boot
[06:13] <neofeed> the sources
[06:13] <randabis-wireles> in /usr/src
[06:13] <kebac> neofeed: /usr/src i guess
[06:13] <dud> you have to install kernel-sources dont you?
[06:13] <neofeed> nothing there :/
[06:13] <kebac> neofeed: you've got to get them first
[06:13] <neofeed> I was looking for the sources that came with ubuntu
[06:13] <randabis-wireles> but you have to install kernel-sources
[06:13] <crimsun> sudo apt-get install linux-source-`uname -r`
[06:13] <dud> ubuntu doesnt include the kernel source by default afaik
[06:14] <umarmung> I only see xml source in yelp rather than a formatted page. What am I missing? (I'm running hoary)
[06:14] <neofeed> I wanted to see if the i810 module is in the kernel because it's not loaded :/
[06:14] <randabis-wireles> lsmod
[06:14] <dud> modprobe i810
[06:14] <neofeed> randabis-wireles, yea I know
[06:14] <crimsun> neofeed: i810 module for...video? sound?
[06:14] <neofeed> crimsun, video
[06:14] <randabis-wireles> yeah do some modprobing too
[06:15] <neofeed> xfree has it defined as driver thus I expect it to load it.
[06:15] <randabis-wireles> you can also check in /lib/modules/
[06:15] <neofeed> but when i check with lsmod. It's not listed.
[06:15] <neofeed> even though X runs.
[06:15] <randabis-wireles> err
[06:15] <randabis-wireles> rather /usr/lib/modules
[06:15] <randabis-wireles> i think
[06:15] <neofeed> it's there though. I can modprobe it. but that's not the point
[06:15] <crimsun> neofeed: then check /var/log/XFree86.0.log to see which driver X Windows is using
[06:16] <randabis-wireles> if the module doesn't load automatically you can set it to in /etc/modules
[06:17] <Chrais> randabis-wireles: ?
[06:18] <randabis-wireles> you can add modules to load at startup  in /etc/modules
[06:18] <dud> ffs hehe
[06:18] <dud> will these dvd devices never behave 100%
[06:18] <dud> i just hate when i cant eject my drive
[06:19] <mjg59> neofeed: There is no i810 module
[06:19] <mjg59> Oh, no, hang on.
[06:19] <neofeed> there is
[06:19] <neofeed> X comes with it's own
[06:19] <neofeed> just figured that.
[06:19] <mjg59> Sorry, there is, yeah
[06:19] <mjg59> But the module is only for 3D
[06:19] <Chrais> hi
[06:20] <mjg59> X won't load it automatically
[06:20] <dud> can having way too many packages installed with apt, slow down your system?
[06:21] <neofeed> mjg59, what I'm trying is to figure out how to resume my laptop after I suspended it to ram
[06:21] <neofeed> but the screen won't come back up
[06:22] <mjg59> neofeed: Have you read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PMTesting ?
[06:22] <Vaportrail> yeah, got it, real transparence and shadows :P
[06:23] <dud> hmm, running 'dbench 10' gives 90MB/s throughput
[06:23] <mjg59> dud: Not usually, no
[06:23] <dud> is that decent?
[06:23] <neofeed> mjg59, well one problem is I tried the video-post tool.
[06:23] <mjg59> neofeed: What did it do?
[06:23] <neofeed> mjg59, but that keeps hanging in X86EMU_exec
[06:23] <fuldl> does anyone have experiences running a dvb-s usb box on ubuntu?
[06:24] <mjg59> Ok. Try using the vm86-video-post one instead
[06:24] <mjg59> And also try vbemode
[06:24] <neofeed> mjg59, what's the difference?
[06:24] <mjg59> The vm86 one uses the processor's vm86 mode rather than emulating an x86
[06:24] <neofeed> mjg59, so you'd like to follow everything on the PM site?
[06:24] <dud> oh well, time to leave this slow dvd burning issue be for a couple of good hours
[06:25] <mjg59> neofeed: Yeah
[06:25] <mjg59> Hoary will have stuff fairly like that
[06:25] <dud> and mindlessly sedate my brain with ethanolic compounds
[06:25] <dud> etc et
[06:25] <dud> etc
[06:25] <dud> have a good one folks
[06:26] <neofeed> mjg59, I tried to debug the X86EMU_exec function: and printed out the INTR, CS, IP values. INTR is always 0, CS always 49152, IP first time 3, than for every coming loop invocation 46950 and +1
[06:26] <neofeed> mjg59, as the break conditions wait for INTR to be > 0 or CS == 0 and IP == 0 that's never going to happen.
[06:27] <neofeed> so I just kicked in a 'return;' but that didn't help a thing.
[06:27] <mjg59> The x86emu code is known to be a bit buggy
[06:27] <neofeed> and a hell of uncommented
[06:27] <mjg59> Yeah. Using vm86 is a lot better.
[06:28] <neofeed> can I simply get me the vm86, run 'echo mem > /sys/power/state' and try to video-post?
[06:29] <mjg59> neofeed: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops/vm86-video-post_0.2-1_i386.deb
[06:29] <neofeed> trying
[06:30] <mjg59> Install that, and then run vm86_video_post after resuming
[06:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone know what libgpg-error0 is?
[06:30] <carthik> quick question: If ssh is enabled, will I be able to do SFTP? or does that require anything else, like a daemon?
[06:30] <neofeed> mjg59, will do over ssh
[06:31] <neofeed> mjg59, Memory accees violation
[06:32] <discord> anybody know how to detect a usb hard drive (usb-> laptop drive interface) that i hooked up, I dont know how to tell the device name eg. /dev/sda , /dev/sdg , etc.
[06:32] <mjg59> neofeed: But no hang?
[06:32] <neofeed> I can work on it with ssh
[06:32] <neofeed> 'via
[06:32] <neofeed> I just should not try to 'resuspend' it... than it hang
[06:32] <neofeed> *s
[06:32] <Prower> Hello :> I'm not sure what happened exactly, but during the process of installing Ubuntu it didn't ask me for a root password?
[06:32] <mjg59> Ok. The problem is that most laptops don't have a complete video BIOS after boot
[06:32] <TTilus> dud: having packages installed has no performance impact
[06:33] <mjg59> Prower: That's normal. You can run commands as root using sudo and your own password.
[06:33] <TTilus> dud: having progs running do
[06:33] <mjg59> neofeed: Grab http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops/vbestate_0.1-1_i386.deb
[06:33] <Prower> mjg95: Oh, I see...that's unusual :>
[06:33] <neofeed> mjg59, what's that?
[06:34] <mjg59> neofeed: Run vbestate save >/tmp/videostate before suspending, and then vbestate restore </tmp/videostate afterwards
[06:34] <mjg59> And make sure you do this from the console, not from X
[06:34] <neofeed> yep
[06:34] <mjg59> It saves and restores video state
[06:34] <neofeed> gotta init 6
[06:34] <mjg59> Oh, you won't be able to run this via ssh (irritatingly)
[06:35] <neofeed> yes - that's why I need X
[06:35] <mjg59> so just do vbestate save >/tmp/videostate; echo -n mem >/sys/power/state; sleep 2; vbestate restore </tmp/videostate
[06:35] <mjg59> And then try switching back to X and see if you get video
[06:35] <neofeed> mjg59, are you good with xmodmap too?
[06:35] <Prower> Hmm...I don't see a configuration file for grub either :/ Apparently I need to add nopnpbios to my boot options
[06:35] <neofeed> mjg59, if I get the screen back that would be great. I can restart X if that was the only problem
[06:36] <mjg59> neofeed: Usually, X needs to be running. Switch away from X, try the suspend, and then switch back to X.
[06:37] <neofeed> mjg59, I'll pipe me the commands over as my laptop misses the [<,>,|]  key
[06:37] <mjg59> Haha
[06:37] <discord> carthik, i think sftp is part of the ssh dameon
[06:37] <carthik> thanks discord
[06:37] <discord> carthik, you can test it by trying to sftp to localhost
[06:38] <discord> sftp 127.0.0.1
[06:38] <neofeed> mjg59, whoohoo that worked
[06:38] <velko> hi mabus
[06:38] <Prower> Does anyone know how I might be able to add additional parameters to my boot options?
[06:38] <Mabus> hi velko
[06:38] <Aron_Figaro> hey all :)
[06:38] <discord> carthik, let me know if that is right or not
[06:38] <mjg59> neofeed: Rock
[06:38] <carthik> thanks again, discord
[06:39] <mjg59> neofeed: What hardware is this?
[06:39] <neofeed> mjg59, lemme create some chvt script and try it via FN keys
[06:39] <velko> i think your problem is that your gtk install is for python 2.4 and not for 2.3. can you check this?
[06:39] <neofeed> gotta tell you how well it worked than
[06:39] <carthik> discord, I can
[06:39] <Mabus> velko: I have installed it for both 2.4 and 2.3
[06:39] <Mabus> velko: privmsg ?
[06:39] <carthik> but how do i find what daemons are running, discord
[06:39] <neofeed> mjg59, can I somehow sudo to root and than switch vt, run that script can come back up?
[06:39] <velko> ok. how?
[06:40] <mjg59> neofeed: acpid runs as root, so you just need to set stuff up in /etc/acpi
[06:40] <Mabus> velko: there should be some tabs at the top or bottom of the xchat window
[06:40] <bassinboy>  i'm about to install windows, does ubuntu have a tool that will rewrite the MBR on the CD ?
[06:40] <neofeed> mjg59, for your info it's a SONY Vaio PCG-SRX99 - same as PCG-SRX51P/A
[06:40] <Mabus> velko: is there one that says "Mabus"? Click on it.
[06:41] <neofeed> mjg59, what about the vbestat?
[06:41] <discord> carthik, look at the permissions of /etc/init.d
[06:41] <mjg59> neofeed: You run that inside the script in /etc/acpi
[06:41] <discord> carthik, ls -la /etc/init.d
[06:42] <neofeed> mjg59, iirc. they PCG-SRX51P/A and SRX99 are same hardware just different Processor 800MHz/850MHz
[06:42] <discord> carthik, try starting the ssh service then ls -la then stop it and try ls -la again
[06:42] <neofeed> mjg59, there is only {lid,powerbtn,power}.sh
[06:43] <mjg59> neofeed: Yeah, you need to write an event file in /etc/acpi/events and then give it a script to run
[06:43] <carthik> alright, discord, it works with ssh only
[06:43] <carthik> thanks a bunch, discord
[06:44] <neofeed> mjg59, is there documentation about that somewhere?
[06:44] <discord> carthik, what works with ssh only?
[06:44] <mjg59> neofeed: Might be some in /usr/share/doc/acpid
[06:45] <neofeed> mjg59, what I just wonder is how I'd tell acpi to listen for my FN_Hibernate
[06:45] <neofeed> mjg59, as that keycombination is intercepted by the rsjog tool. Thus I'd need to issue an event
[06:45] <carthik> discord sftp
[06:47] <discord> carthik, im afraid i dont quite understand but i think what you are trying to say is that sftp works only when the ssh dameon is running which i believe is correct.
[06:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> why does ubuntu install grub instead of lilo?
[06:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> i thought grub was depracated
[06:47] <discord> cause grub is superior
[06:47] <HappyFool> i thought it was the other way round ;)
[06:47] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: neither are deprecated
[06:47] <discord> lilo is depreciated
[06:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> why is grub superior?
[06:48] <Aron_Figaro> Personally I find GRUB to be a great bootloader
[06:48] <crimsun> LILO has its uses, but most distros tend to go with GRUB these days
[06:48] <Aron_Figaro> GRUB handles anything
[06:48] <discord> grub has more going on
[06:48] <crimsun> GRUB is much more flexible at runtime
[06:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone here using the gaim otr plugin?
[06:48] <mjg59> neofeed: Ah. Your sleep button doesn't generate an ACPI event?
[06:49] <discord> i did a cool diskless install using grub and the nt bootloader
[06:49] <neofeed> mjg59, nup
[06:49] <discord> on my laptop which didnt have a cdrom
[06:49] <neofeed> does echo "mem" > /sys/power/state issue one?
[06:49] <discord> and had ntfs on it
[06:49] <discord> and xp
[06:50] <zido> anybody know what the problem is? I get this when i try starting xmms: libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:50] <zido> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[06:50] <tudoaver> how can I list the processes that are children of a given process id? please :-)
[06:51] <mjg59> neofeed: Nope. In theory, hotkeys are supposed to generate ACPI events.
[06:51] <mjg59> zido: It's a bug in the nvidia drivers (yes, really)
[06:51] <mjg59> zido: You can get round it by installing libmikmod2
[06:51] <zido> ah, is it avalible with apt-get?
[06:52] <neofeed> mjg59, nothing
[06:52] <mparenti> Hey I have ubuntuppc and it's running on a powerbook g4.  what's an app that will mirror my display on a monitor?
[06:52] <zido> ah
[06:52] <neofeed> mjg59, could I not simply echo "event" > /proc/acpi/event?
[06:52] <zido> there, it works.. thanks alot mjg59 :)
[06:52] <discord> mparenti, why do you want to do that and why dont you use the cable
[06:53] <discord> mparenti, there is some x stuff to do things like that
[06:53] <mparenti> when i plug it in there is nothing on the monitor
[06:53] <mjg59> neighborlee: Nope
[06:53] <mjg59> ugh. neofeed, rather.
[06:53] <discord> mparenti, let me see if my g4 friend is around
[06:53] <neofeed> mjg59, hmm damnit.
[06:53] <rowsdower11> hello
[06:53] <no0tic> mparenti: you have to configure xfree properly to do that
[06:54] <no0tic> mparenti: you can assign various monitors to the same screen
[06:54] <rowsdower11> err, i'm getting this problem with installing the amd54 ubuntu
[06:54] <rowsdower11> well it installs
[06:54] <rowsdower11> grub hangs when i reboot
[06:54] <mparenti> no0tic: you know where i can read up on that?
[06:54] <rowsdower11> i noticed a lot of people having this problem from google searches
[06:54] <rowsdower11> but i cant seem to find a good solution
[06:55] <discord> mparenti, this is for bsd but its the same
[06:55] <discord> mparenti: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html
[06:56] <mparenti> thatnk discord
[06:56] <neofeed> mjg59, another question how do I set my clock speed back up to 850 instead of 500?
[06:57] <no0tic> mparenti: man XF86Config-4 it's agood starting point probably
[07:00] <kewlman> ok.. i got a problem.. i get a child terminated with 1 status when i goto applications>system tools>root terminal under gnome/ubuntu?
[07:05] <kewlman> can anyone help?
[07:07] <someonestolemyni> i dont know what that means. but can you get to a terminal?
[07:08] <Crane>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY cranegod
[07:09] <Crane> hello
[07:09] <kewlman> no not at all.. that displays in an error window.. doesn't allow me to goto the root terminal. i just tried going to the package manager and got the same error
[07:09] <kewlman> i can get to a regular terminal
[07:09] <Crane> hello all what's up
[07:09] <Crane> :)
[07:10] <someonestolemyni> hehe
[07:10] <darksatanic> Crane: You've just posted your Nickserv password in the channel... you may want to change it.
[07:10] <someonestolemyni> why don't you use sudo?
[07:10] <neofeed> mjg59, did you ever play with chvt?
[07:11] <kewlman> nevermind.. i had a windows moment =) typed in the wrong passwd!
[07:11] <mjg59> neofeed: Yeah
[07:11] <neofeed> mjg59, why does it return lots of newlines?
[07:11] <someonestolemyni> lol
[07:11] <mjg59> Oh. I hadn't noticed it did.
[07:11] <kewlman> thanks for the help..
[07:12] <neofeed> mjg59, well I have say 4 chvt statements and that keeps gterm buissy for about a secound printing newlines
[07:12] <Prower> Hello once again ;> Is anyone here running KDE in Ubuntu?
[07:12] <Crane> lol yep I noticed that thanks
[07:12] <regeya> I've been considering that, Prower but haven't tried yet. :-/
[07:13] <regeya> I'm waiting to see how the kubuntu project pans out.
[07:13] <Prower> regeya: How would you go about doing it, anyway? :/ I don't see it available in the packages list
[07:13] <Prower> (Or any other window manager, actually)
[07:13] <regeya> Prower: the kde packages are in Universe
[07:13] <regeya> you have to, um...hold on, let me look and see whta the user-friendly way was again...
[07:13] <Prower> regeya: Hmm...I see...how would I get access to those? (This is the first time I've ever run it)
[07:14] <kewlman> anyone using xfce with ubuntu?
[07:15] <regeya> Start up Synaptic, go to Settings->Repositories and check the warty universe repository.  Click OK and then click Reload as Synaptic will suggest.
[07:15] <mparenti> where is the config file in ubuntu for xf86?
[07:15] <Prower> regeya: Oh, well that's not so bad :> Thanks
[07:16] <regeya> you can also uncomment the universe repository in /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update
[07:16] <regeya> either way does the same thing :-)
[07:16] <regeya> Note:  Warty has KDE 3.2 packages.  If that's a problem for you, you're in for a more complicated install involving potentially broken testing (hoary) packages.
[07:17] <neofeed> mjg59, how well does suspend to disk work?
[07:17] <regeya> if you're new to the world of Debian/Ubuntu, I'll not step you through that as it'll just turn you off of Ubuntu if you can't fix problems.  I enjoy having a constantly b0rked system so I have a combination of Warty and Hoary packages. ;-)
[07:18] <Prower> regeya: That's not a problem, I'm willing to wait for the next stable version :> As long as I can run KDE applications in the meantime
[07:18] <Prower> (A lot of the stuff I have to write is KDE/QT based)
[07:18] <nozkan> hi
[07:19] <kewlman> hey nozkan
[07:19] <stuNNed> is there a way to blacklist snd-intel8x0m or have it not load on boot?
[07:19] <regeya> well...I run KDE applications under a largely GNOME env, but think I'll switch back to KDE when 3.4 comes out.
[07:19] <nozkan> how to change my default console font
[07:19] <regeya> Unless GNOME apps get a little more robust in the meantime.
[07:19] <regeya> I mean, gThumb has a neato picture print feature, but it prints photos at 72dpi.
[07:20] <Prower> regeya: There's one program called KMuddy that I like using in particular, but that doesn't even appear to be available in universe :>
[07:20] <regeya> and there's that kind of stuff all over the place, IMHO:  Bad defaults, and not even gconf keys to edit.
[07:20] <neofeed> mjg59, now it works pretty perfectly
[07:20] <regeya> never heard of it, sorry
[07:21] <SirFred> Humm, how I could suspend my laptop in ubuntu?
[07:21] <regeya> gThumb was the most disappointing, especially since I now have an Epson Stylus Photo R800 (works great with turboprint, darn commercial proprietary software)
[07:21] <regeya> I'm too lazy to code my own solution so I've been pulling images into picture boxes in Scribus.
[07:21] <nozkan> error not fount default console font ter-916f
[07:22] <Prower> regeya: Oh, that's unfortunate :/ I have a Stylus Color 440..it's a bit old now, but it works very well in Linux
[07:22] <nozkan> what can I do
[07:22] <Crane> wow I was just looking at all the things registering nick allows
[07:22] <Crane> pretty cool
[07:23] <SirFred> Anybody?
[07:23] <SirFred> The "special" keys seems not to work on my Thinkpad A21
[07:24] <SirFred> I mean the Fn + Hibernate to disk combination
[07:24] <Prower> regeya: Oh, would you happen to know how to turn off NTP synchronization to the Ubuntu server? It doesn't seem to be working anyway
[07:24] <jkka> you mean the one being done on startup?
[07:24] <xav_> hi
[07:24] <Crane> hello again
[07:25] <jkka> hello
[07:25] <Prower> jkka: Yes, that one :>
[07:25] <Crane> are my messages posting?
[07:25] <jkka> well, you can remove it from /etc/rc2.d
[07:25] <xav_> I still need help about this package conflicts: mplayer-586 needs libavcodec2 which conflicts with libavcodec0 needed by transcode/dvdrip
[07:26] <xav_> there is no way to go through it?
[07:26] <Crane> hmmm
[07:26] <Crane> that was wierd
[07:26] <xav_> I don't know which libavcoded I have on my previous distro unfortunately, but both worked in the same time
[07:27] <xav_> now, I've just mplayer-586 (from marillat repo) installed, and it works fine
[07:27] <Vaportrail> cu
[07:27] <ulx> hi! to install java i have to add a repos. with section multiverse. by now it is main restricted. what happens if i go ahead with this?
[07:27] <neofeed> mjg59, http://mdot.mine.nu/~piccell/hibernate.sh
[07:27] <mjr> regeya, my condolences
[07:28] <imka> hi
[07:28] <xav_> but I can't install dvdrip then. And when I install dvdrip alone, it doesn't work very well. Maybe the transcode package is messed up
[07:28] <esqueleto> please .... i'm trying to configure Firefox (1.0) to use Flash and Java ... but the the firefox aways crash ...
[07:28] <imka> is there a way i can supervise the traffic through ssh?
[07:28] <esqueleto> and i get an error from fscommand in some sites ...
[07:28] <esqueleto> what is that ??
[07:28] <mjr> just set up gnomemeeting; if someone wants to help me test it, callto:ils.seconix.com/mjr@iki.fi
[07:28] <Quest-Master> esquelto: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[07:28] <xav_> it's strange, I thought these 2 tools were very popular, but it doesn't seem so
[07:28] <esqueleto> tks
[07:28] <Quest-Master> esquelto: Install Flash and Java the way it says in this guide
[07:29] <Ensiferum> hmm. if i switch from the current tty to another using ctrl+alt+fn, i cant switch back. anyone got ideas?
[07:29] <esqueleto> ok .. i will try
[07:29] <randabis-wireles> la la la, kernel compile, la la la
[07:29] <xav_> randabis-wireles, which one?
[07:29] <esqueleto> i was reading this 7
[07:29] <esqueleto>  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[07:29] <Rashad> Helo guys, I having a problem with my graphics card S3 Trio 32, anyone can help me?
[07:29] <imka> is there a way i can supervise the traffic through ssh? i wanna see how fast upload/download is
[07:29] <randabis-wireles> 2.6.9...having problems compiling a 2.6.10 kernel with bootsplash so I moved back one
[07:30] <esqueleto> ops
[07:30] <ulx> quest-master: to install java i have to add a repos. with section multiverse. by now it is main restricted. what happens if i go ahead with this?
[07:30] <xav_> randabis-wireles, ok :)
[07:30] <randabis-wireles> gonna take a while on this p3 450 mhz...hehe
[07:30] <esqueleto> http://www.utuntulinux.org/wiki/FirefoxHowTo
[07:32] <xav_> at least I fixed my poor 3d performance. I switched to xorg (which I used for month on non-debian distro), and it's as fast as before :) but I don't understand why the difference is so big. xfree should be as fast but..
[07:32] <SirFred> My Firefox on Hoary dies when loading a Flash plugin.
[07:32] <SirFred> Better said, when loading any flash plugin.
[07:32] <SirFred> It throws a X error, I'm not able to fix it (well, I had to disable flash)
[07:35] <HaRDaWaY> hi people
[07:35] <Ensiferum> xav_: was the migration a huge operation?
[07:35] <lamont> how does one restart metacity?
[07:36] <Quest-Master> ulx: Just add multiverse to the sections
[07:36] <Quest-Master> ulx: It won't hurt
[07:36] <Quest-Master> ;)
[07:38] <Rashad> Hello guys, I am having a problem with my graphics card "S3 Trio32" the GUI isn't working properly at all, anyone can help me?
[07:38] <Prower> SirFred: I wish I could help, but I'm not running the unstable packages
[07:38] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[07:38] <Quest-Master> I'm on Warty as well.
[07:39] <ulx> quest-master: so i make it deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted multiverse? what is multiverse?
[07:42] <Crane> weeeeeeeeeeeee yahooooo yipeeeee
[07:42] <Ensiferum> ah. loadkeys fi
[07:43] <runenes> I just sprayed X-it on some food leftovers instead of throwing them away - I need help :-)
[07:43] <Ensiferum> default keyboard map was loaded
[07:44] <reikd_> hallo
[07:44] <Crane> olla
[07:44] <Crane> OS: Linux 2.6.8.1-3-386 | CPU: AMD Athlon(TM) @ 1662.752 MHz | MemTotal: 906736 kB | Audio:  | Video:  | (eth0) Data Sent: 17938855 (17.1 MiB) | (eth0) Data Recivied: 773047264 (737.2 MiB)
[07:44] <Crane> | Uptime:  | Load Average (15 Mins.): 0%
[07:44] <Crane> cool it works
[07:45] <DanielC> Hey, is there away to run alien as non-root? I want to install an rpm as non-root if I can.
[07:45] <xav_> Ensiferum, it was really easy
[07:46] <Prower> Hmm...mplayer isn't in universe either? :/
[07:46] <xav_> it's just a matter of uninstalling and installing stuff with apt-get
[07:46] <xav_> and rebooting
[07:46] <xav_> Prower, it's in marillat
[07:47] <xav_> does anyone know what ffmpeg is ?
[07:47] <Prower> xav_: What might that be? ;>
[07:47] <randabis-wireles> heh this compile should be done in a year
[07:48] <xav_> why are there several libavcodec packages ? damn, these stupid things are driving me mad
[07:49] <randabis-wireles> just compile mplayer from source...not like it's hard
[07:50] <randabis-wireles> but I think there is a mplayer in universe...mplayer-custom
[07:50] <mparenti> hey
[07:50] <randabis-wireles> if not, then it is in multiverse
[07:50] <mparenti> i'm using ubuntuppc, how can i install java2-runtime?
[07:50] <jmob|> the mplayer in multiverse/universe works well
[07:50] <xav_> Prower, marillat ?
[07:50] <xav_> jmob, really ?
[07:50] <xav_> it doesn't work at all there
[07:51] <jmob|> xav_, I'm on amd64, and it seems fine
[07:51] <randabis-wireles> it worked for me
[07:51] <xav_> the one from the marillat repo works, but it conflicts
[07:51] <jmob|> (I'm using hoary though)
[07:51] <regeya> once in a blue moon you'll need files from hoary for marillat
[07:51] <xav_> me too
[07:51] <regeya> (if you use the 'unstable' repo)
[07:51] <xav_> regeya, what?
[07:51] <jmob|> You shouldn't mix in marillat (or any debian repo) though
[07:51] <Prower> xav_: I've only just installed Ubuntu today, so I don't know too much about the packages and such :>
[07:51] <regeya> shouldn't schmouldn't
[07:52] <jmob|> Except for maybe the w32codecs package
[07:52] <jmob|> regeya, it can cause dependancy problems
[07:52] <regeya> jmob|: I was aware of that, thanks
[07:53] <xav_> I saw that there : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:53] <regeya> I mostly have warty + ubuntu-backports, plus a few hoary packages that were required by marillat stuff, and a couple of packages such as gdm that had to be rebuilt to fix dependencies
[07:53] <xav_> mplayer-586 (or 386/k6 if you are using those architectures) (from marillat - do not use mplayer-custom in Warty's multiverse)
[07:54] <ulx> quest-master: sorry to bother you again. so deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted multiverse? what is multiverse?
[07:54] <regeya> I'd rather chase down broken deps than sit twiddlign my thumbs thinking "oh, well, it'd be nice to share home movies with loved ones but I was told it was bad to mix repos so I guess I'll just hope and pray that I can in the next ubuntu release"
[07:55] <xav_> regeya, with what?
[07:56] <Synek> hi
[07:56] <randabis-wireles> weird
[07:56] <regeya> xav_: kino (from hoary.)  just dumping christmas footage to dvd.
[07:56] <randabis-wireles> mplayer-custom problem
[07:56] <regeya> kino from hoary is what needed a newer gtk+, which broke gdm.
[07:56] <randabis-wireles> It starts loading, but then it just closes
[07:57] <Prox2far> I've got a password prob...
[07:57] <regeya> but an apt-get build-dep gdm && apt-get -b source gdm && dpkg -i gdm*.deb fixed it ;-)
[07:57] <Prox2far> used a guide to change root(sudo) password result none of my passwords work
[07:57] <regeya> I took hoary out of /etc/apt/sources.list before that, though.  I tried pinning releases but that caused different, yet equally annoying, problems.
[07:58] <Prox2far> what the hell has happened and how do i fix it
[07:58] <Prox2far> note running Warty
[07:58] <randabis-wireles> hah, kernel's still crunching away
[07:58] <gsuveg> im fight with dvd playing :(
[07:59] <xav_> damn there are too many problems
[07:59] <Prox2far> sorry for the inconvinience just fixed it myself :)
[07:59] <NewComer> gsuveg, what's the problem?
[08:00] <gsuveg> im installed libdvdcss2 and totem, ogle, mplayer and cant play dvd :(
[08:01] <Prox2far> gsuveg: what's your specs
[08:01] <gsuveg> Prox2far: pardon ?
[08:01] <gsuveg> Prox2far: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 ogle totem-xine xine-ui
[08:01] <gsuveg> Prox2far: and cant access to dvd
[08:01] <Prox2far> gsuveg: do you know if the PC is capable of playing DVD
[08:02] <NewComer> gsuveg, apt-get install gxine
[08:02] <gsuveg> Prox2far: yes. with hoary worked before :S
[08:02] <Prox2far> gsuveg: hardware wis
[08:02] <Prox2far> gsuveg: OK thanks
[08:03] <Prox2far> gsuveg:is the drive mounted ( yes taking this from the top )
[08:03] <gsuveg> Prox2far: only gnome 2.9 was buggies, and now i have time to report
[08:03] <Prox2far> gsuveg:is the DVD drive mounted ( yes taking this from the top )
[08:04] <ulx> prox2far: so i make it deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted multiverse? what is multiverse?
[08:04] <randabis-wireles> nonfree programs
[08:04] <Poof> is it possible to make WARTY into Debian SID from APT-get?
[08:04] <xav_> help
[08:05] <gsuveg> xine engine failed to start.
[08:05] <gsuveg> No input plugin found.
[08:05] <spacey`ki> how is it possible that i have 100Cpu usage
[08:05] <gsuveg> :(
[08:05] <xav_> tell me which libavcodec you are using all
[08:05] <spacey`ki> but in top nothing shows up
[08:05] <spacey`ki> its in the catgory "user'
[08:05] <randabis-wireles> Poof Probably, just change your sources to sid and dist-upgrade
[08:06] <Poof> Thanks :)
[08:06] <randabis-wireles> don't quote me though, I don't know for sure
[08:06] <gsuveg> libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 1-rc5 from http://xine.sf.net
[08:06] <gsuveg> libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.8 for DVD access
[08:06] <randabis-wireles> just that's how I think you would do it
[08:06] <xav_> well, this would be a lot better if it worked
[08:06] <Poof> Cool, i will give it a shot :)
[08:06] <gsuveg> libdvdnav: DVD Title: Padlogaz
[08:06] <gsuveg> libdvdnav: DVD Serial Number: 318B726ACE748D95
[08:06] <gsuveg> libdvdnav: DVD Title (Alternative):
[08:06] <gsuveg> libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/gsuveg/.dvdnav/Padlogaz.map'
[08:06] <xav_> I never had any troubles with sid
[08:06] <gsuveg> eof. and sorry
[08:06] <gsuveg> any idea ?
[08:07] <spacey`ki> hmz
[08:07] <mpjung> That Ubuntu installation went quite smooth - had to hack my XF86Config in order to use the nvidia module a bit, but that was all so far. :)
[08:07] <spacey`ki> it was xine, wierd
[08:07] <gsuveg> Prox2far: are here ?
[08:08] <Rashad> Hello guys, I am having a problem with my graphics card "S3 Trio32" the GUI isn't working properly at all, anyone can help me?
[08:08] <regeya> I suppose churning out MPEG2 is a good argument to get a nicer sytem than a VIA C3-based system. :-}
[08:08] <mpjung> (I switched a few hours ago from debian to ubuntu)
[08:08] <kotau_>  /msg nickserv link kotau hardhead7
[08:08] <kotau_>  /msg nickserv link kotau hardhead7
[08:08] <gsuveg> same problem with mpalyer and ogle
[08:08] <randabis-wireles> cool
[08:08] <randabis-wireles> congrats on a smooth transitition
[08:08] <regeya> and it gets worse:  It's a VIA C3 Ezra, which means the FPU runs at half the speed of the processor.
[08:08] <mpjung> kotau_, I wouldn't recommend you to post your password in this channel. ;)
[08:09] <kotau_> yeah I know
[08:09] <regeya> in fact, how about changing that password now? ;-)
[08:09] <kotau_> whenever I paste into xchat it puts a space in front
[08:09] <kotau_> alreqady did
[08:09] <gsuveg> hmm. no idea ?
[08:09] <mpjung> The only thing that I don't like atm. are the old version of X-Chat and Firefox. Should I just stay at warty and wait until it is made available for that repository or does it make sense to go with the "bleeding edge" ?
[08:10] <randabis-wireles> you can get updated firefox and xchat through the ubuntu backports project
[08:10] <regeya> mpjung: don't know about xchat, but there's a backport of firefox at ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net
[08:10] <xav_> ho I finally get it
[08:10] <regeya> bless you randabis-wireles
[08:10] <xav_> the problem was a conflict between marillat and cerkinfo repo
[08:11] <Uuranor> why don't you pass to hoary?
[08:11] <randabis-wireles> it also has updated gaim
[08:11] <imka> is there a way i can see how fast people are uploading/downloading with ssh?
[08:11] <mpjung> How is X.org going?
[08:11] <xav_> its nice
[08:11] <Uuranor> well :D
[08:11] <Uuranor> it is great!
[08:11] <xav_> except if you have an ati
[08:11] <mpjung> I mean - how is the integration going if you want it to use in warty.. ;)
[08:11] <xav_> its great with nvidia and drm
[08:11] <randabis-wireles> heh ati sucks in linux period right now
[08:11] <randabis-wireles> bad drivers
[08:11] <xav_> its really easy in hoary
[08:12] <xav_> ati has always sucked :)
[08:12] <randabis-wireles> I don't know if you can use it in warty...not sure
[08:12] <xav_> except for hardware
[08:12] <Uuranor> ah.. i suggest you to do not install it in warty
[08:12] <imka> how can i analyze ssh traffic. any ideas?
[08:12] <mpjung> How does warty compare to debian testing/unstable? More like testing or more like unstable?
[08:12] <Uuranor> i don't understand. if you want xorg, firefox, gaim, etc etc... why don't you use hoary? O_o
[08:12] <randabis-wireles> ubuntu is stable
[08:12] <mpjung> erm.
[08:12] <randabis-wireles> warty
[08:12] <randabis-wireles> I mean
[08:12] <Uuranor> warty is stable
[08:12] <mpjung> I mean hoary
[08:12] <xav_> moving to xorg improved my 3d performance dramatically
[08:13] <Uuranor> ahhh hoary! is testing :)
[08:13] <xav_> it wasn't normal on xfree. now it's normal
[08:13] <mpjung> I know that "debian unstable" is not unstable ... don't panic ;)
[08:13] <randabis-wireles> yeah
[08:13] <Uuranor> hoary is stable de facto, but not de juro :P
[08:13] <mpjung> I used it a long while - but switched back to testing as it was just a bit more mature and was up to date enough for my taste. :)
[08:14] <randabis-wireles> hoary would be like testing I guess
[08:14] <buchan_> Hhhhhmmm I'm using Fluxbox on Ubuntu and it seems like its ignoring .fluxbox/menu any ideas?
[08:14] <randabis-wireles> I'm not brave enough to go to hoary yet
[08:14] <gsuveg> me hoary with gnome2.9 was not very stable, and im back to warty
[08:14] <xav_> though some ppl said hoary was worse than sid
[08:14] <randabis-wireles> I'm going to wait until April
[08:14] <gsuveg> but now i cant play dvd :(
[08:14] <zenrox> how do i fix this error gmplayer: relocation error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.0: undefined symbol: NeAACDecOpen
[08:15] <mpjung> Is there a hoary-security repository?
[08:15] <xav_> zenrox, thats just the ***** annoying error I had
[08:15] <randabis-wireles> gsuveg, do you have libdvdcss?
[08:15] <Uuranor> yes
[08:15] <zenrox> mpjung, yes
[08:15] <zenrox> xav_,  what have you tried
[08:15] <xav_> zenrox, just burn this stupid cerkinfo repo :) and only use the marillat one
[08:15] <xav_> install mplayer-586
[08:15] <xav_> and you'll be fine
[08:15] <mpjung> okie dokie... I'm just upgrading. Gosh - that switch to ubuntu is really smooth as I'm used to the debian packaging stuff. ;)
[08:16] <NewComer> gsuveg, just trust me, install gxine
[08:16] <zenrox> xav_,  so uninstall it
[08:16] <zenrox> reinstall mplayer 586
[08:16] <esqueleto> i get that fscommand is not a registered protocol when i run some websites in my Mozilla-Firefox
[08:16] <randabis-wireles> the transition from gentoo to ubuntu was pretty smooth for me
[08:16] <gsuveg> NewComer: installed
[08:16] <xav_> zenrox, that's it
[08:16] <gsuveg> randabis-wireles: yes
[08:16] <zenrox> ok
[08:16] <xav_> randabis-wireles, you left gentoo too :)
[08:16] <randabis-wireles> I don't like waiting on compiles
[08:16] <NewComer> gsuveg, ok, fireup gxine and use the file menu to open DVD
[08:17] <mpjung> Does anyone here use aptitude instead of synaptic? I quite like that package manager as it got a sweet way to mark packages as "dependency only" so dependencies can be removed after removing all dependent packages.
[08:17] <randabis-wireles> and on this old laptop that would be torture
[08:17] <Uuranor> the only thing that doesn't work for me in hoary are gdesklets....
[08:17] <xav_> it's the distro I loved the most by far, but it's just too long installing and upgrading
[08:17] <NewComer> gsuveg, file >> dvd
[08:17] <xav_> randabis-wireles, I see
[08:17] <zenrox> xav_,  i agree with that ststment
[08:17] <randabis-wireles> yeah, takes over a day just to get a stage1 or 2 install
[08:17] <Prox2far> Iv'e got a weird error my wireless card is recogniced as a ordinary eth card how do i fix this
[08:17] <Uuranor> xav, do you mean gentoo?
[08:17] <xav_> but well, in some case, it was worth it
[08:17] <zenrox> it took me 2 weeks to get it running like i wanted
[08:17] <xav_> Uuranor, yup
[08:17] <gsuveg> NewComer: not that my problem. msg cca 6 line ok ?
[08:18] <randabis-wireles> yeah we're talking gentoo
[08:18] <NewComer> gsuveg, did u link ur dvd to /dev/dvd
[08:18] <gsuveg> of course
[08:18] <soulflyer13> hey
[08:18] <xav_> maybe in the near future with 20 ghz box and 1 gigabit internet connection, gentoo will be perfect :)
[08:19] <Uuranor> mmm some times ago i want to try it... but once i've seen the installation guide i passed to ubuntu :P
[08:19] <soulflyer13> who will chat with me
[08:19] <gsuveg> NewComer: sorry for flood ;)
[08:19] <NewComer> gsuveg, no problem
[08:19] <robertj> anyone know an easy way to run a test login against pam?
[08:19] <soulflyer13> I'm 13 years old , I'm from austria
[08:19] <soulflyer13> bye
[08:19] <gsuveg> soulflyer13: what area ?
[08:20] <soulflyer13> europe
[08:20] <soulflyer13> austria
[08:20] <randabis-wireles> xav hehe
[08:20] <gsuveg> soulflyer13: what area ?
[08:20] <HappyFool> the europe area of austria, eh? ;)
[08:20] <NewComer> soulflyer13, at ur age i could barely use DOS
[08:20] <gsuveg> soulflyer13: im near form at
[08:20] <randabis-wireles> you can do a stage 3 install with precompiled packages relatively quickly though
[08:20] <A-town> lol
[08:20] <buchan_> Hhhhhmmm I'm using Fluxbox on Ubuntu and it seems like its ignoring .fluxbox/menu any ideas?
[08:20] <Uuranor> i use win 3.0, instead :P
[08:20] <soulflyer13> i'm not so good at english
[08:21] <soulflyer13> who can speak geran
[08:21] <randabis-wireles> lol this compile has taken over an hour so far
[08:21] <A-town> i can speak german a little....
[08:21] <Uuranor> ehrrr... soulflyer, italian is better than english? :P
[08:21] <soulflyer13> ok
[08:21] <neofeed> mjg59, you still ther?
[08:21] <soulflyer13> comestai
[08:21] <zenrox> xav_, that was a pain to manualy slect the deps
[08:21] <brk3> hi, i keep getting asked for the xml::parser module when trying to compile things, but i cant find that package.. anyone know where i can get it for ubuntu?
[08:21] <HappyFool> i see there's an #ubuntu-de
[08:21] <xav_> maan, everything is perfect now
[08:22] <xav_> zenrox, yes a bit but now everything is perfect here, I'm a happy penguin :)
[08:22] <soulflyer13> can some people in the chat speak german?
[08:22] <mpjung> 468 MB to go - hoary here we come. :)
[08:22] <randabis-wireles> good luck
[08:22] <A-town> well, you can go to #ubuntu-de
[08:22] <Uuranor> gh :D well done mpjung :D
[08:22] <soulflyer13> ok thanks
[08:22] <xav_> finally ubuntu is very nice. a bit slow though
[08:22] <mjg59> neofeed: Hi
[08:22] <brk3> where can i get the xml::parser module for ubuntu..?
[08:22] <xav_> and work should be done on the repo
[08:22] <kezz> brk3: does apt-cache search xml parser give anything useful?
[08:22] <randabis-wireles> ubuntu slow? wow
[08:23] <xav_> because it's a bit confusing
[08:23] <mupujung> ;-)
[08:23] <Uuranor> brk3: with synaptic in universe...
[08:23] <A-town> does any1 got 3ddesk working?
[08:23] <robertj> any ideas why apache2 won't auth a user via pam even when I copy over the pam.d/ssh file to apache?
[08:23] <neofeed> mjg59, what do I need to make suspend to disk work?
[08:23] <xav_> randabis-wireles, that's a feeling I have
[08:23] <randabis-wireles> ah
[08:23] <xav_> randabis-wireles, compared to gentoo and archlinux
[08:23] <randabis-wireles> didn't feel any slower on my main box to gentoo
[08:23] <neofeed> mjg59, I tried 'echo -n disk > /sys/power/state' didn't work
[08:23] <xav_> well my pc isn't slow, but it's a laptop
[08:24] <A-town> lol
[08:24] <xav_> and only 256 mo
[08:24] <randabis-wireles> main box is packed up right now so I'm stuck on the lappy
[08:24] <Uuranor> mmm xav, but it is warty or hoary? I found warty slow -_-... not very stable, when I try it
[08:24] <xav_> I thought it was the kernel at start, so I compiled one, but it didn't help
[08:24] <xav_> Uuranor, it was warty some hours ago, but hoary now :)
[08:25] <neofeed> mjg59, suspend to ram works beautiful. but I'd like suspend to disk to work too
[08:25] <Uuranor> and it is still slow?
[08:25] <xav_> it doesn't change much about reactivness
[08:25] <Gwildor> xav_: using gnome?.....maybe try dsomething lighter?
[08:25] <xav_> yes a bit slow
[08:25] <zenrox> xav_,  sweet it works
[08:25] <brk3> bloody hell, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ keeps giving me a no keyword submitted error when i try to search for something
[08:25] <kezz> xav_, tried fluxbox?
[08:25] <A-town> no-one has 3ddesktop up and running?
[08:25] <xav_> Gwildor, yes it's gnome, but I ran kde just a few days ago and it was fine
[08:25] <xav_> zenrox, nice :)
[08:25] <randabis-wireles> eww kde
[08:26] <Gwildor> yeah....eww
[08:26] <kezz> brk did you try that apt-cache search?
[08:26] <xav_> kezz, Gwildor I used lightweight wm during one year and I finally get bored :)
[08:26] <xav_> I tried 10 of them
[08:26] <A-town> 10?!?!
[08:26] <xav_> but wm are light distrib, a lot of them are fine, but no one is perfect
[08:26] <zenrox> xav_, now how do i get ride of the font error
[08:27] <gsuveg> anybody know an gui version from mplayer for warty ?
[08:27] <Gwildor> xav_: try xfce......its light, but seems complete like gnome
[08:27] <mupujung> xav_, I tried dozends of WMs, too - there was a time when I had a different WM every month. ;)
[08:27] <xav_> well I tried fluxbox, blackbox, openbox, fvwm, windowmaker, enlightenment, xfce and others
[08:27] <mjg59> neofeed: You need to add a resume= line to your kernel arguments
[08:27] <xav_> Gwildor, I liked it too, but not perfect
[08:27] <zenrox> i like enlightenment
[08:27] <mupujung> xav_, the one I liked best so far was XFCE :)
[08:27] <xav_> zenrox, where ? in gmplayer ?
[08:28] <jcspray> A-town: 3ddesktop worked for me last time I played with it.
[08:28] <zenrox> xav_,  ya
[08:28] <Gwildor> nothings perfeect.......xav_, try maybe xfce4.2   its nice :)
[08:28] <xav_> mupe, you still use it?
[08:28] <neofeed> mjg59, did that
[08:28] <Uuranor> xav... yes, xfce is light and pretty :D the last version (4.2RC3) is fantastic
[08:28] <mupujung> Gwildor, there is also a xfce4.3 available as debian/ubuntu repository
[08:28] <mjg59> neofeed: Which kernel is this?
[08:28] <neofeed> mjg59, mind using query?
[08:28] <xav_> Gwildor, ha maybe, it has been a while I didn't try it
[08:28] <buchan_> Hhhhhmmm I'm using Fluxbox on Ubuntu and it seems like its ignoring .fluxbox/menu any ideas?
[08:29] <gsuveg> NewComer: interresting: lsdvd see my disk
[08:29] <xav_> zenrox, I had weird fonts error too in dvdrip, but since I use the one from marillat, it works fine
[08:29] <mupujung> XFCE Live Demo --> http://www.xfld.org/
[08:29] <zenrox> xav_,  thies is what its asaying
[08:30] <zenrox> Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf)
[08:30] <mupujung> They also got a decent repository with the latest XFCE version built from CVS :)
[08:30] <xav_> zenrox, install mplayer-fonts maybe
[08:30] <{GoldenEye}> Hello again to all!
[08:30] <kotau_> hi goldeneye
[08:30] <{GoldenEye}> How to install vnc server on ubuntu?
[08:30] <SirFred> mjg59: When can I find information about that resume= arguments?
[08:31] <gsuveg> NewComer: with other disk works :S
[08:31] <SirFred> mjg59: I'm not able to suspend my laptop neither to RAM nor disk.
[08:31] <{GoldenEye}> Can I onpen ubuntu desktop from other lan linux system?
[08:31] <randabis-wireles> you guys hear about gnome being ported to windows?
[08:31] <mjg59> SirFred: Check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PMTesting
[08:31] <SirFred> mjg59: Thanks a lot
[08:32] <zenrox> {GoldenEye},  do you have the xdm feature enabled in gdm
[08:33] <{GoldenEye}> don't thing so
[08:33] <zenrox> then use remote terminal client and sllect xdm protical
[08:33] <zenrox> make shure you have xnest installed
[08:33] <buchan_> randabis-wireless: sure haven't... that woudl be really stupid.
[08:33] <{GoldenEye}> I've just instaleld my first debian linux
[08:33] <xav_> debian?
[08:34] <{GoldenEye}> these are my first howers with deban style linux
[08:34] <zenrox> {GoldenEye}, all you got to do is just check it in display manger
[08:34] <{GoldenEye}> ok
[08:35] <Gnobody> how do I stop a kernel module from running that is already running?
[08:35] <billytwowilly> when I'm in contacts in evolution and I select  a contact it gives me the option of copying to addressbook. Where is the addressbook?
[08:36] <billytwowilly> Gnobody, rmmod modulename
[08:36] <JDahl> Gnobody, sudo rmmod <module>, if it's not being used
[08:36] <Gnobody> k
[08:37] <Prox2far> am I the only one who is experiencing but running warty dist. with a wireless card
[08:37] <Gwildor> huh
[08:37] <Prox2far> sorry not but, bugs
[08:38] <Gwildor> ahhh
[08:38] <{GoldenEye}> zenrox > can xdm feature be enabled from console? because i'm not at front of the ubuntu
[08:39] <Prox2far> every time i change a network setting ubuntu renames wlan0 to eth0 and configuring the network goes to hell
[08:39] <virus> {GoldenEye}, dpkg-reconfigure xdm should do the trick
[08:40] <Poof> is it like a Really bad idea to install KDE on Ubuntu?
[08:40] <Gnobody> anybody else have a problem with their Soundblaster Live not working after upgrading to hoary, specifically OSS, ESD, ArTs, and Alsa all not working.  I can get sound using SDL.  Gnome-volume-applet seems to be controlling my ATi TV Wonder and not my soundcard.
[08:40] <Prox2far> poof: no but kde sucks
[08:40] <Poof> will it break it?
[08:40] <regeya> Poof: not as far as I know.  It shouldn't hurt anything.
[08:40] <Poof> Cool
[08:41] <Prox2far> poof: no
[08:41] <virus> Poof, if you like KDE - go ahead. :)
[08:41] <regeya> that's a matter of opinion.  I know people who think that GNOME sucks.  After trying to do things like make prints from gThumb, I'm starting to agree.
[08:41] <Poof> I actualy like IceWM, but I like the cd burning software, and the desktop of KDE more
[08:42] <Poof> kd3
[08:42] <virus> Poof, so just combine those two worlds... You can use KDE and GNOME from IceWM, too.
[08:42] <esqueleto> i get that fscommand is not a registered protocol when i run some websites in my Mozilla-Firefox
[08:42] <Poof> yea, that is how I wat it... than later I can decide wich I like more :)
[08:42] <Poof> want
[08:43] <regeya> I use k3b on a largely GNOME desktop.
[08:43] <regeya> if some of the konqueror bugs ever get fixed, GNOME is getting flushed.
[08:43] <Poof> Cool :)
[08:43] <Poof> I hope we alway get the choice of both KDE and gnome
[08:44] <Poof> always
[08:44] <godzzo> Hi
[08:44] <regeya> that reminds me, I need to take a look at Digikam
[08:44] <regeya> anyone here ever try to script scribus?
[08:44] <robertj> Ugh, chatzilla?
[08:44] <Poof> yea my Windows Xchat expired LOL!
[08:44] <Gnobody> Anybody else have a problem with their Soundblaster Live not working after upgrading to hoary, specifically OSS, ESD, ArTs, and Alsa all not working.  I can get sound using SDL.  Gnome-volume-applet seems to be controlling my ATi TV Wonder and not my soundcard.
[08:45] <robertj> Find an old versin of XChat then
[08:45] <regeya> I'm thinking of just whipping up a python script to build pages in Scribus for prints; Scribus, among other things, has excellent color support
[08:45] <robertj> anyway
[08:45] <regeya> Windows Xchat?  EXPIRED?
[08:45] <Poof> yea or build from source :)
[08:45] <Poof> I am just going to move over to linux :)
[08:45] <regeya> how can Xchat EXPIRE?
[08:45] <robertj> Has anyone ever added spellchecking options to the text entry inputs?
[08:45] <Poof> Xchat is shareware now
[08:45] <robertj> No, the XChat win32 installer is shareware
[08:46] <Poof> yea :)
[08:46] <JDahl> so why are debian still shipping xchat?
[08:46] <usual> use the free xchat for windows build
[08:46] <Poof> there are other builds for windows... I am just going to defect to linux...
[08:46] <esqueleto> my Ubuntu is in Portuguese .. how can i change it to english ???
[08:47] <spacey> someone here got vsftpd with ssl ? the ubuntu package isn't build with ssl support. very annoying. what is the recommended way of adding ssl support?
[08:47] <Poof> lang=us
[08:47] <esqueleto> where ??
[08:47] <Poof> I am guessing... that is how with knoppix
[08:47] <spacey> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:47] <spacey> esqueleto: try that
[08:47] <TopDog> esqueleto: Just log out, choose language and english... log in again.
[08:48] <esqueleto> and it keep the configuration every time i log in  ??
[08:49] <{GoldenEye}> virus > my ubuntu says that xdm isn't installed, i've done the command with gdm instead of xdm
[08:49] <{GoldenEye}> it is ok!?
[08:49] <spacey> esqueleto: if you follow the step i said it will reconfigure the language systemwide
[08:49] <spacey> at least i think it does
[08:49] <esqueleto> ok .. tkx
[08:50] <Poof> can we install the newest Bleeding edge Gnome and KDE in Ubuntu? or is this something I need Debian SID for?
[08:50] <{GoldenEye}> I'm a mandrake/fedora user, I'm feeling like a newb. with ubuntu
[08:50] <virus> {GoldenEye}, if you want to use XDM you need to install XDM ... GDM is just another login manager.
[08:50] <spacey> Poof: hoary has latest dev build of gnome
[08:50] <Poof> Cool :)
[08:50] <spacey> i think it has 2.9.3 now
[08:50] <mjg59> Poof: Bleeding edge stuff is in Hoary. Warty only gets security updates.
[08:50] <jcspray> {GoldenEye}: perhaps you're trying to enable XDMCP in GDM, rather than installing XDM?
[08:50] <Poof> I saw some screenshots of drop shadows under windows... looked verry cool
[08:50] <spacey> Poof: that is an xorg extension i think
[08:51] <virus> {GoldenEye}, what exactly do you intend to do?
[08:51] <{GoldenEye}> virus > I just want to have the ubuntu desktop in my mandrake workstation
[08:51] <{GoldenEye}> must I use vnc?
[08:51] <virus> {GoldenEye}, ah - so you want a remote logon - just as jcspray said - You need to enable XDMCP in GDM
[08:52] <{GoldenEye}> (I'm from Portugal, the linux help here is not that good...)
[08:54] <{GoldenEye}> virus > how to do that?
[08:55] <{GoldenEye}> from console
[08:55] <virus> {GoldenEye}, edit /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf and restart GDM
[08:56] <jcspray> look for the [xdmcp]  section.
[08:56] <virus> {GoldenEye}, there is a XDMCP section which got "Enabled=false" ... just read those explinations and configure everything as you need.
[08:56] <Gnobody> Anybody else have a problem with their Soundblaster Live not working after upgrading to hoary, specifically OSS, ESD, ArTs, and Alsa all not working.  I can get sound using SDL.  Gnome-volume-applet seems to be controlling my ATi TV Wonder and not my soundcard.
[08:56] <andreas_> hey people
[08:56] <wezzer> hello
[08:57] <esqueleto> hello andreas_
[08:57] <virus> Gnobody, I'm just migrating to hoary - I'll let you know if I run into any problems like that.
[08:57] <Gnobody> k
[08:57] <{GoldenEye}> virus > I'm reading, thankz
[08:57] <{GoldenEye}> ;)
[08:59] <abelli> does anyone of you know how to connect a canon ixus 500
[08:59] <andreas_> i got some small problems , how can i mount my sweet little windows hard drive, on hdc
[09:00] <andreas_> abelli.... i get you a link
[09:00] <zenrox> andreas_,  sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc /mnt/win
[09:00] <andreas_> abelli: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=522
[09:00] <{GoldenEye}> virus > how to connect to the remote desktop from other linux system? (using mandrake 10)
[09:00] <billytwowilly> how do I edit contacts in evolution?
[09:01] <{GoldenEye}> virus > thanks in advance man!
[09:01] <andreas_> zenrox, i convertet to fat, is it vfat or ntfs?
[09:01] <zenrox> vfat
[09:01] <billytwowilly> good ole' doublclick..
[09:01] <zenrox> vfat = fat32
[09:01] <abelli> andreas_: thx
[09:01] <zenrox> fat=fat16
[09:02] <virus> {GoldenEye}, I don't remember exactly - It has been a while since I did it the last time - but it should be possible with Xnest and using your login manager to logon remotely.
[09:02] <zenrox> virus,  using terminal server client
[09:02] <andreas_> abelli: just mountet my camera ;)
[09:02] <zenrox> and have xnest install its called xdmcp (something like that
[09:02] <andreas_> zenrox: thanks alot ;)
[09:03] <zenrox> got to be enabled on a remote box
[09:03] <virus> zenrox, yepp - that one also works - the last time I tried it I had no such toolie available.
[09:03] <zenrox> virus,  works for me jsut fine
[09:03] <zenrox> my remote box dont have montor kb and mouse
[09:04] <zenrox> works to winxp too
[09:04] <virus> {GoldenEye}, do you have the "Terminal Server Client" available on your MDK 10 box?
[09:04] <andreas_> zenrox: it tells me its alrady ountet or busy, but i dont know where/when/bywho
[09:04] <{GoldenEye}> virus > I don't think so
[09:05] <{GoldenEye}> how to have sure of that?
[09:05] <zenrox> andreas_,  type mount  and look thare it shoud be mounted then
[09:06] <zenrox> {GoldenEye}, type in a terminal tsclient
[09:07] <andreas_> zenrox: its not mountet there, howshould the line be setup so i can just paste it in the fstab?
[09:07] <{GoldenEye}> zenrox > don't have it
[09:08] <{GoldenEye}> can you tell wath the name of the mandrake rpm? or something close...
[09:08] <zenrox> andreas_,  /dev/hdcX(partionnumber 1-9 more enlikly 1 if only partion on that drive) /mnt/win   ntfs defaults  0   0
[09:08] <exlt> could someone take a little time to explain the theory behind virtual packages - for instance one smp kernel install has linux-686-smp, linux-image-686-smp, linux-image-2.6-686-smp, and linux-image-2.6.8.1-4-686-smp packages?
[09:10] <exlt> as well as 3 linux-restricted-modules packages...
[09:11] <jcspray> exlt: if you only had  linux-image-2.6.8.1-4-686-smp then you would have to manually select different package for each different kernel version.  linux-image-2.6-686-smp contains a dependancy which will change to handle the upgrades automatically.
[09:11] <zenrox> {GoldenEye}, it be called remote some thing
[09:12] <exlt> jcspray: so this is upgrade-related down the road, when the next kernel is released?  ok, I'll buy that
[09:13] <virus> {GoldenEye}, that's a mandrake question - how about asking in #mandrake ?:)
[09:13] <{GoldenEye}> you're right
[09:13] <jcspray> exlt: partly that, and partly that if linux-686-smp was the code instead of the meta package, then you would have no convenient way to install arbitrary kernel versions.
[09:14] <{GoldenEye}> I'm working on it! :)
[09:15] <Mosquiton> are the Ubuntu apt security servers down?
[09:15] <Prox2far> no uim downloading from them right now
[09:16] <Mosquiton> odd, cant get DNS look up for them
[09:16] <Prox2far> *I'm not uim
[09:17] <andreas_> zenrox:  after edited the fstab, should i do something else?
[09:17] <Prox2far> mosquiton, are you running hoary
[09:17] <zenrox> andreas_,  then sudo mount -a
[09:17] <Mosquiton> ?? not sure what is it
[09:17] <neighborlee> hi peeps
[09:18] <andreas_> wrong fs type, too many mounted or bad superblock on hdc1 :(
[09:19] <xav_> does anyone notice a difference between a kernel image for 386 and for 686 ?
[09:20] <Mosquiton> O I see the version of Ubuntu, no this is a fresh install of Warty
[09:20] <exlt> jcspray: would you know if there is an ubuntu equivalent to /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/virtual-package-names-list.txt.gz?
[09:23] <Prox2far> mosquiton, then it's a very weird error you have since the security servers are working
[09:23] <jcspray> exlt: no idea.
[09:24] <{GoldenEye}> virus > already have tsclient on my mandrake
[09:24] <{GoldenEye}> and have enabled xdm
[09:24] <andreas_> hm, seems like i can only get into my win with root, how can i change the ownership?
[09:24] <Mosquiton> It might be my local DNS service then
[09:25] <Prox2far> mosquiton, yes probarly
[09:26] <setite> what do i use to burn data cd's?
[09:26] <setite> or vcd... i have some .mkv videos to burn
[09:27] <jcspray> setite: burn data cds with nautilus cd burner: from (for example) your home directory do "Places"->"CD Creator"
[09:27] <zenrox> setite,  of k3b
[09:27] <zenrox> or
[09:27] <jcspray> alternatively, install k3b from universe for a more full-featured cd burning solution.
[09:27] <zenrox> k3b is closeest you get to nero
[09:27] <andreas_> zenrox:  i have to be root to see the files on tha win partition, how can i change my ownership?
[09:28] <Vince-0> my hoary doesnt read my ntfs properly ... what is the problem ?
[09:28] <setite> is it... ok lemme see what its like
[09:28] <Prox2far> vince-0, what mount command did u use
[09:28] <jcspray> andreas_: look in "man mount" for the vfat section: there are options for setting the ownership of files in a vfat mount.
[09:28] <Vince-0> Prox2far: mount -t ntfs /dev/ ....
[09:28] <zenrox> andreas_,  read http://ubuntuguide.org
[09:29] <setite> k3b from the universe?
[09:29] <andreas_> thanks jcspray
[09:29] <zenrox> setite,  yep
[09:29] <setite> i told it to install k3b and it told me to insert the cd
[09:29] <zenrox> then put the cd in
[09:29] <setite> but how is that from the universe then
[09:30] <zenrox> setite,  probly has deps on the cd
[09:30] <Prox2far> vince-0, youve might have written the wrong partition name
[09:31] <setite> you have to set it to think you are root right
[09:31] <Prox2far> vince,check it - sudo fdisk -l
[09:31] <setite> UID=1000 or something lik ethat
[09:31] <Poof> A few months ago I was playing with YOPER, they had something that made little chips on the desktop when you missed clicking on Icon or window... Is there4 something like that for ubuntu? it is quyite funny :)
[09:31] <Vince-0> Prox2far: nort - its mounted - I can view it, but it doesnt cp right to my linux partition
[09:32] <setite> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=ntfs
[09:32] <setite> cp?
[09:32] <Prox2far> copy
[09:32] <setite> oh
[09:32] <setite> well i used that guide i just stated and my ntfs works fine
[09:32] <Vince-0> I got hoary i386
[09:32] <setite> i havent tried copying to my linux partition... but i havent gelt the need to
[09:32] <xav_> where is libflac4 available?
[09:33] <setite> oh i have warty
[09:33] <Prox2far> vince-0, weird it should work even in hoary
[09:33] <setite> yea i imagine it would be the same
[09:34] <Prox2far> vince-0, what about partiton space
[09:34] <Poof> 0o I have been installing KDE for the past half hour, and it is only 36% on DSL connection... Guess it is pretty big :)
[09:34] <setite> well i knwo that in that guide you have to add the "uid=1000,gid=1000" part
[09:34] <ubuntoo> hello all
[09:34] <ubuntoo> can i get a hand installing the nvidia drive on ubuntu?
[09:34] <setite> which i was told makes you appear to be the controller of that partition... giving you full access
[09:34] <Vince-0> Prox2far: I tried to cp a bmp - it came out broken or summing
[09:34] <buchan|home> Any Ubuntu Fluxbox users out there?
[09:34] <xav_> please can anyone check
[09:34] <Prox2far> ununtoo, check the wiki pages
[09:35] <xav_> I can't find libflac4
[09:35] <setite> http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[09:35] <exlt> buchan|home: yes
[09:35] <xav_> does anyone have this file ? its required for libsdl-sound
[09:35] <setite> or the official wiki
[09:35] <xav_> I don't understand
[09:35] <Poof> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:35] <setite> i like that unofficial guide for the part about 32bit chroot
[09:35] <buchan|home> exlt: Just installing Ubuntu on a spare system first time. I can't seem to get Fluxbox to load ~/.fluxbox/menu
[09:35] <Poof> This is for Nvidia at bottom of page
[09:35] <Poof> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:36] <Poof> verry easy :)
[09:36] <setite> damn this k3b is actually taking a while to download... odd
[09:36] <exlt> buchan|home: what menu is it loading then, none at all?
[09:36] <xav_> does anyone have 5 sec?
[09:36] <setite> i have more than 5 whats the issue
[09:37] <binReapr> hi there
[09:37] <buchan|home> exlt: just the default xterm,restart,exit.
[09:37] <xav_> please have a look at my previous message
[09:37] <virus> hoary update almost complete - woot woot. :)
[09:37] <virus> Time to reboot, soon. :)
[09:37] <jcspray> xav_: "sudo apt-get install libflac4" not working?
[09:37] <Poof> kde installing 57% 0o god! i hope I have enough hard drive space LOL!
[09:38] <setite> im looking for it
[09:38] <binReapr> I have trouble installing gtk+ in ubuntu, it says it cannot found glib and I should check PKG_CONFIG_PATH environmental variables
[09:38] <setite> http://packages.debian.org/testing/libs/libflac4 ??
[09:38] <xav_> jcspray, nop
[09:38] <Prox2far> vince-0, do you have multi users installed???
[09:38] <binReapr> I just installed glib, where are the environmental variablers?
[09:38] <xav_> jcspray, it tells me there is libflac6 instead
[09:39] <randabis-wireles> yay kernel finished
[09:39] <exlt> buchan|home: did you install the 'menu' package? - my ~.fluxbox/menu was auto-generated by this package
[09:39] <binReapr> hey Poof, r u installing kde in ubuntu?
[09:39] <Poof> yea
[09:39] <xav_> in which ubuntu repo is it ?
[09:39] <xav_> I may be missing one
[09:39] <setite> hold on
[09:39] <Poof> sudo apt-get install kde
[09:39] <setite> use synaptic
[09:39] <xav_> thanks
[09:39] <xav_> I did
[09:39] <Vince-0> Prox2far: I only have one usr account
[09:39] <binReapr> I see, but I have no internet connectio =/
[09:40] <setite> and you cant find it
[09:40] <setite> is it multivers
[09:40] <setite> how do i figure thta out
[09:40] <binReapr> how do I modify my environmental variables?
[09:40] <xav_> well, good question :)
[09:40] <xav_> can anyone answer?
[09:40] <setite> well its on my synaptic
[09:40] <Prox2far> vince-0, damn then i can't find any reasons fot your error
[09:40] <setite> so its either the defaults....
[09:40] <setite> or multiverse...
[09:40] <setite> or marillat
[09:40] <Vince-0> Prox2far:  /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[09:40] <xav_> setite I switched to hoary
[09:40] <setite> but i dunno how to figure it out
[09:41] <setite> oh ok
[09:41] <xav_> can it be in warty ?
[09:41] <setite> well i have warty
[09:41] <setite> so yea
[09:41] <xav_> I have marillat unstable too
[09:41] <setite> its already installed on my box
[09:41] <Vince-0> Prox2far: fstab - says device doesnt exist
[09:41] <Vince-0> Prox2far: but I can mount it with -t ntfs
[09:41] <buchan|home> exlt: I just checked for the menu package, its installed. Do I have to do anything special with it?
[09:42] <setite> what about liboggflac1
[09:42] <zido> what does the numbers in "umask=xxxx x x" stand for? or, what's umask?
[09:42] <Prox2far> vince-0, try this - sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[09:42] <binReapr> anyone?
[09:42] <jcspray> xav_:so hoary has libflac6 and warty has libflac4.  If you're desparate for the libflac4, get it from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/f/flac/
[09:42] <Mosquiton> is "security.ubuntu.com" the correct address for the security servers?
[09:42] <Vince-0> Prox2far: I mounted into /mnt/Stuff
[09:42] <Prox2far> vince-0, sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[09:42] <setite> binreaper i'd help if i even knew what that meant
[09:42] <Prox2far> vince-0, 2.sek
[09:42] <xav_> jcspray, thanks, that's it. I'm missing warty
[09:43] <xav_> how did you figure it?
[09:43] <setite> yup...
[09:43] <Prox2far> vince-0, sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/stuff -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[09:43] <setite> ??
[09:43] <binReapr> somethoing to do with gtk asking for glib.2.0.pc
[09:43] <Prox2far> vince-0, given windows is in partition 1
[09:43] <Poof> I just finished APT-get install KDE, is there anything else I should install before reboot?
[09:44] <binReapr> it cannopt found it but itis installed
[09:44] <setite> xav_ http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/libs/
[09:44] <walker> Hello
[09:44] <Vince-0> Prox2far: mount: wrong fs type, .....
[09:44] <exlt> buchan|home: well, I installed sshd right after install, then updated and installed fluxbox from a shell session on another box - when gdm started, I have an option for fluxbox under sessions - menu worked from first login, so I'm not sure in your case - I created my custom menu and edited ~/.fluxbox/init to load my own menu - that might work, if you point session.menuFile to ~/.fluxbox/menu
[09:45] <walker> can anyone tell me if it really isn't possible to install ubuntu on a raid-partition?
[09:45] <Vince-0> Prox2far: hda2 worked
[09:45] <Prox2far> vince-0, what windows type is that partition associated with
[09:45] <Vince-0> Prox2far: lemme try again
[09:45] <Prox2far> OK
[09:45] <Vince-0> Prox2far: Frikkin yeah! 100% dood- its all good
[09:46] <walker> Has anyone succeded installting it Ubuntu on raid?
[09:46] <Prox2far> vince-0, dood??? funny thing to write
[09:47] <Vince-0> Prox2far: whats the switch -o do ?
[09:47] <Prox2far> vince-0, look here for more tips - http://www.ubuntuguide.org - just remember it's not a 100% safe guide
[09:48] <xav_> setite thanks, it's very nice
[09:48] <Prox2far> vince-0, not sure
[09:51] <Prox2far> vince-0, look here for auto mounting of windows partition
[09:51] <Prox2far> vince-0, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=mount%20ntfs
[09:52] <Prox2far> vince-0, note hda1 in the guide is hda2 on your system
[09:52] <__daniel> hellas!
[09:53] <__daniel> any amd64 folks in here who could paste me their contents of /etc/ld.so.conf ?
[09:53] <buchan|home> exlt: ah well it didn't work. thanks anyways though
[09:54] <exlt> buchan|home: I was just digging, and menu has a utility 'update-menus' to generate menu listings - might be worth looking into
[09:54] <buchan|home> exlt: yeah I just ran those. Its got a generated menu now, but its still not loading :\ something is not right
[09:55] <buchan|home> bingo
[09:55] <buchan|home> I ended up just copying my init file from /etc/X11/fluxbox to ~/.fluxbox
[10:00] <exlt> buchan|home: the default init is at /etc/X11/fluxbox/init for what it is worth
[10:01] <kosmonautti> nvidia-glx-config enable works just great so no need to play around with settings anymore :)
[10:01] <exlt> buchan|home: ooh - this is where the default menu is, too /etc/X11/fluxbox/
[10:03] <__daniel> no one with amd64 in here?
[10:03] <kosmonautti> I am
[10:04] <__daniel> ... who could tell me their contents of /etc/ld.so.conf ? :-)
[10:04] <__daniel> please :-)
[10:05] <randabis-wireles> grr
[10:05] <randabis-wireles> kernel wouldn't boot
[10:07] <caulktel> does anybody know the status of the free cd's?
[10:08] <jcspray> caulktel: I know people in the UK who have received their warty discs, if that's what you mean.
[10:08] <caulktel> i signed up when they first started the whole thing, and have yet to receive anything.
[10:08] <Ensiferum> is "myself" some kind of special meta user or something?
[10:09] <caulktel> it woud be really cool to get the hoary disks insted.
[10:09] <HappyFool> caulktel: we got ours this week. i think we signed up in october
[10:10] <caulktel> ok, so it should be soon, thanks
[10:10] <ObsidianX> subterrific: you there?
[10:11] <setite> hey how do i get my printer to work
[10:13] <andreas_> i still dont get my win drive to be mounted so my user can open it
[10:14] <andreas_> my fstab looks like this : /dev/hdc1       /mnt/win        ntfs    rw,user         0       0
[10:14] <andreas_> what should i do?
[10:14] <HappyFool> add umask=000
[10:14] <HappyFool> i don't rw is a good option.. ?
[10:14] <HappyFool> ro,user,umask=000
[10:14] <housetier> where does gdm store its sessions, like "gnome", "kde", "default", or "ssession"?
[10:15] <andreas_> thanks HappyFool , gonna try once more ;)
[10:15] <housetier> I though it was /etc/dm/Sessions
[10:15] <setite> i thought it was uid=1000
[10:16] <setite> oh you said umask... whoops
[10:16] <andreas_> HappyFool: THANK YOU!
[10:16] <HappyFool> np
[10:16] <HappyFool> took me a little while too ;)
[10:17] <Vince-0> my xmms freezes when I try play an mp3 - any suggestions
[10:17] <Vince-0> ?
[10:17] <setite> ahhh!!!!
[10:17] <setite> how do i install a printer
[10:17] <setite> this is driving me nuts
[10:17] <setite> nvm
[10:19] <setite> god that was simple...
[10:19] <setite> ok but its not printing
[10:21] <ObsidianX> man, ubuntu is so easy to install when the installer likes the partitioning scheme :\
[10:21] <dayson> I'm new to linux and I just got rid of windows but I have a harddrive with mps3 and stuff that's on a slave drive formated in NTFS how can I access them on linux?
[10:21] <kosmonautti> Ubunut rocks
[10:21] <ObsidianX> too bad im only doing it in a vmware session and not for real
[10:21] <kosmonautti> Ubuntu!
[10:22] <randabis-wireles> dayson, the drive will have to be mounted
[10:22] <dayson> randabis-wireles, how do I do that?
[10:22] <randabis-wireles> www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:22] <randabis-wireles> it will give you the details
[10:22] <HappyFool> or even http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[10:23] <ObsidianX> ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm whats the default root password o_O
[10:23] <randabis-wireles> there is none
[10:23] <randabis-wireles> you have to set one
[10:23] <randabis-wireles> sudo passwd root
[10:23] <ObsidianX> ok
[10:23] <HappyFool> or just use sudo
[10:23] <HappyFool> and don't set a root password
[10:24] <randabis-wireles> yeah, some people like root having a password though...it's not necessary but oh well..
[10:24] <randabis-wireles> their choice
[10:24] <housetier> ok another question: how do I make gdm execute my ~/.xsession?
[10:24] <setite> my printer wont work
[10:24] <setite> anyone know why
[10:24] <setite> it automatically detected and i selected the suggested driver
[10:25] <ObsidianX> oh hey, question: does ubuntu need to install on partition1?
[10:25] <setite> but when i tell something to print it says ok but nothing happens
[10:25] <dayson> randabis-wireles, no worky :(
[10:26] <HappyFool> ObsidianX: it's on hda6 on my machine
[10:26] <HappyFool> dayson: what command are you using to mount?
[10:26] <dayson> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[10:26] <ObsidianX> HappyFool: for some reason when i try to set it up to be on hda3 as a reiser partition it doesnt work
[10:27] <setite> is there a sound boost on linux?
[10:27] <HappyFool> dayson: are your mp3's on a d: ? (in windows speak)
[10:27] <dayson> I dont remember
[10:27] <jcspray> setite: What is a sound boost?
[10:27] <HappyFool> hmm
[10:27] <randabis-wireles> are they on a different drive then your ubuntu install?
[10:27] <setite> like a dB increase or something
[10:27] <dayson> HappyFool, I also have a usb2 hd that I want to mount how would I do that?
[10:28] <dayson> randabis-wireles, yes
[10:28] <setite> more important why wont my printer work
[10:28] <HappyFool> dayson: to find your ntfs partition, first try sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[10:28] <setite> screw the sound thing ill just use headphones
[10:28] <HappyFool> and sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb
[10:28] <ObsidianX> has anybody else had an issue with install ubuntu with windows on hda1?
[10:28] <randabis-wireles> try mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[10:28] <jcspray> setite: in general no.  However, with an emu10k1 (sblive) it may be possible to add a bit of DSP code to boost the volume.  But it's arcane.
[10:28] <randabis-wireles> don't forget sudo though
[10:28] <setite> ok... what abotu 5.1 true and fake
[10:29] <jcspray> setite: if it's quiet, it's more likely that it's a volume setting somewhere: for instance, perhaps you've got "Volume" maxed out but "PCM" not?
[10:29] <setite> nah i tried both maxed out
[10:29] <setite> its not very linear
[10:29] <HappyFool> um, not sure about usb, sorry
[10:29] <setite> like anything below 50 is silent
[10:29] <HappyFool> i got it working on fedora but i've wiped those settings out
[10:29] <setite> and then to 80 is louder.. .but there is a point where it jumps... real loud... really staticky
[10:30] <HappyFool> erk.
[10:30] <HappyFool> thunderstorm
[10:30] <setite> but im using headphones so its ok...
[10:30] <HappyFool> i must be off
[10:30] <randabis-wireles> the usb drive should work if you plug it in I think...as long as it is supported by your kernel hotplug should pick it up and mount it
[10:30] <setite> i need to figure out the 3d sound emulation
[10:30] <drspin> setite: I have that problem as well... I think... I set my PCM at 75% and use my master volume to control the ACTUAL volume
[10:30] <setite> they're on alsa... how do i make xine use alsa
[10:31] <tidalwav> I'm baack ;)
[10:31] <setite> and what
[10:31] <tidalwav> I'm having problems with a network card
[10:31] <setite> you gonna help me?
[10:31] <setite> oh you want help
[10:32] <setite> pfft
[10:32] <tidalwav> setite, what's your problem
[10:32] <tidalwav> lol
[10:32] <Vince-0> my xmms freezes when I try play an mp3 - is there another player ?
[10:32] <tidalwav> vince-O: yes
[10:32] <setite> i cant work my printer and i dont know how to get 3d emulated sound on my headphones
[10:32] <setite> it sounds like there might be some but i dont know how to change it
[10:32] <Vince-0> tidalwav: what do u suggest ?
[10:32] <tidalwav> vince-O: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:33] <setite> yea what he said works great
[10:33] <tidalwav> vince: and then open MP3s with rhythmbox
[10:33] <setite> oh shit
[10:33] <Vince-0> kk
[10:33] <setite> i closed the sound console and my dvd froze
[10:34] <setite> do the settings not take place till the console is closed?
[10:34] <tidalwav> setite...what kind of printer do you have
[10:34] <setite> lexmark z11
[10:34] <tidalwav> hmm
[10:34] <setite> it was detected by ubuntu
[10:34] <Vince-0> any idea why my xmms would freeze ? I have system OS sounds ...?
[10:34] <kosmonautti> setite: check www.linuxprinting.org ?
[10:34] <setite> and it had a driver for it
[10:34] <setite> but it wont actually print
[10:34] <ions> I use an RSS feed to let me know when there are packages available in Gentoo stable to be emerged.  Is there an RSS feed that can tell me the same for Ubuntu?
[10:35] <LotusGeek51> setite i like beep media player
[10:35] <tidalwav> setite: have you looked here http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Lexmark-Z11
[10:35] <jcspray> Vince-0: xmms might freeze if it couldn't access the sound device.
[10:35] <tidalwav> well anyway, onto my problem
[10:35] <setite> i like xmmms... but what does that have to do with dvds?
[10:35] <mz2> heelp me, i get sound out of xine, but not from anything that needs gstreamer
[10:35] <mz2> used to work before
[10:35] <tidalwav> I'm trying to get my prism2 chipset USB DWL-122 wireless ethernet card working without wlanctl-ng
[10:35] <tidalwav> as in, using ndiswrapper
[10:35] <maniak_> I have just installed ubuntu and can browse my network shares but not my ntfs winxp partitions on this drive?? How do I get to see the local "C:/ drive???
[10:35] <Vince-0> jcspray: the device works with system sounds , but I dont know much about alsa and linux sound devs
[10:35] <kosmonautti> setite: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Lexmark-Z11
[10:36] <Vince-0> maniak_: pvt me
[10:36] <mz2> my /dev/dsp is gone, that much i know
[10:36] <tidalwav> kosmsnautti: already posted that, scroll up
[10:36] <maniak_> k
[10:36] <kosmonautti> tidalwav: not a direct link :)
[10:36] <tidalwav> so anyway ndiswrapper is refusing to recongnize that the card is plugged in
[10:36] <tidalwav> no matter what I do
[10:36] <tidalwav> anyone know why?
[10:37] <gsuveg> what need for apache+php4 ? php4+php4-cgi ?
[10:37] <jcspray> Vince-0: beep-media-player is very similar to xmms but more up to date, you might give it a try.
[10:37] <setite> thanks but i donna
[10:37] <setite> dunno
[10:37] <Vince-0> jcspray:  Thanks man
[10:37] <setite> that recommended driver is the one im using
[10:37] <setite> but its not actually printing
[10:37] <setite> somewhere between confirming the print to the tray they are disappearing] 
[10:37] <setite> and where is my damn terminal
[10:37] <randabis-wireles> he left...oh well
[10:38] <tidalwav> anyone have experience with ndiswrapper and can help?
[10:38] <kosmonautti> tidalwav: you might want to post your network card type?
[10:38] <tidalwav> kosmon: I did
[10:38] <fromport> probably wireless ?
[10:38] <kosmonautti> tidalwav: ok, i am not following :)
[10:38] <setite> do dvd-rom dvd extras work on xine?
[10:38] <tidalwav> it's a d-link dwl122 usb wireless ethernet with a prism2 usb chipset
[10:38] <randabis-wireles> some people just have no patience
[10:39] <fromport> setite: upgrade to hoary and install mplayer ;-)
[10:39] <setite> no hoary
[10:39] <setite> but why... does it have that support?
[10:39] <randabis-wireles> you can just compile mplayer from source anyway...you don't NEED hoary for that
[10:39] <mz2> does nobody know anything that might be of help to me or am i just being collectively ignored :)
[10:39] <housetier> setite were you able to print a testpage when you set up your printer?
[10:39] <tidalwav> and I was previously able to get it to work using linux-wlan-ng, but I hate having to run a shell script every time I want to use the net
[10:40] <kosmonautti> mz2: what is the problem you are facing?
[10:40] <randabis-wireles> setite, I don't think they do though..not real sure
[10:40] <randabis-wireles> pretty sure they work in mplayer
[10:40] <fromport> i have a question about hoary: i upgraded to it, and now same-gnome (game) doesn't work anymore: (same-gnome:8965): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid.
[10:40] <mz2> sound doesn't work with gstreamer, and my /dev/dsp is lost
[10:40] <tidalwav> kosmonautti: any ideas?
[10:40] <fromport> Refusing to initialize GTK+.
[10:40] <kosmonautti> mz2: try apt-get install sndconfig
[10:41] <setite> housetier - just saw what you said... not the test page didnt print
[10:41] <setite> it said "a4 test page sent to printer..."
[10:41] <kosmonautti> tidalwav: sorry, no experience on wireless things :(
[10:41] <setite> but nothing happened
[10:41] <tidalwav> kos: waah
[10:41] <housetier> setite what printer is it? usb or parallel?
[10:41] <tidalwav> the card is showing up with the corect USBID in gnome device manager
[10:42] <mz2> hmm i don't have any such package in my repos (main, restricted, universe,multiverse)
[10:42] <setite> parallel
[10:42] <setite> im not cool enough for usb
[10:42] <setite> i bought this thing forever ago
[10:42] <setite> but the printer does work i know that much
[10:43] <poofpoof> has anyone got a way to install Cinelerra??
[10:43] <housetier> well I must admit I am on shaky ground here, not using ubuntu myself...
[10:43] <setite> is it hard to install cinelerra?
[10:43] <kosmonautti> mz2: yeah, it was part of debian i386
[10:43] <poofpoof> I cant find it in the APT repositories
[10:43] <kosmonautti> mz2: I thought it could be available for ubuntu
[10:43] <housetier> setite are the appropriate kernel modules loaded?
[10:43] <setite> well yea i doubt it'd be there
[10:43] <setite> housetier no idea
[10:43] <mz2> it would work on ubuntu, too, would it?
[10:44] <setite> whats the terminal command to open the nautilus thing so i can add k3b to the menu
[10:44] <kosmonautti> it should
[10:44] <fromport> i'll better openup a bugzilla entry ;-)
[10:44] <setite> mz2... would what work
[10:44] <housetier> setite how many problems are you trying to get solved atm?
[10:44] <housetier> I think its easier to take them one by one :)
[10:45] <setite> ummm one... printer.. because im installing a watercooling system on my linux rig... and i need to print out a ruler so i can space the holes for the heatercore
[10:45] <setite> but it wont print
[10:45] <setite> the gnome menu is not a problem... and is a side thing... multitasking ya kjnow
[10:46] <setite> does anyone know how though... how to add to the gnome menu
[10:46] <setite> nvm
[10:46] <housetier> setite ok we will try to get your printer working tomorrow :)
[10:46] <setite> why tomorrow
[10:46] <setite> i said nvm for the gnome menu....
[10:47] <setite> ok one by one
[10:47] <setite> what are kernel modules :)
[10:47] <housetier> *I* am doing something else now, recreation you understand... movies and stuff
[10:47] <setite> ok
[10:47] <kosmonautti> ok setite, check this out: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1920.html
[10:47] <setite> real quick... where is the executable for k3b
[10:48] <setite> oh no
[10:48] <setite> it wants me to compile something
[10:48] <setite> that never works for me
[10:49] <setite> kosmonautti can you help me
[10:49] <dayson> okay I still cant figure out how to mount a usb drive
[10:50] <setite> dayson dont they mount automatically via hotpluggin
[10:50] <Vince-0> jcspray: beep also freezes : how do I fix the audio device ?
[10:50] <kosmonautti> dayson: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/Linux/Q_21260793.html
[10:51] <dayson> setite, I dont know what hotplugin is? but I turned it on and restarted and got nothing that I know of
[10:51] <setite> well it means you can plug it in while the pc is running
[10:51] <mz2> further tests show that some sound software that utilise alsa, not oss, work. not sure though if oss worked even before as i've now knowingly used it if i have. interestingly though gstreamer doesn't work even when it's put to use the alsa sink
[10:51] <kosmonautti> You know, sometimes Google knows more than you can think :)
[10:51] <setite> thats what hotswapping hotplugging etc imply... that the system is running(hot)
[10:51] <setite> kosmo agreed
[10:52] <LotusGeek51> http://google.com/linux
[10:52] <setite> thing is that when i click download ppd it just displays it as a text file
[10:52] <kosmonautti> setite: use wget?
[10:53] <Vince-0> jcspray: I got an alsa and an OSS mixer - I dont know whats cutting there
[10:53] <dayson> okay that helped but I got an error
[10:53] <setite> well the link for download ppd is not a file link
[10:53] <andreas_> dayson: wich
[10:53] <setite> can i just make a text file and change the extension?
[10:53] <mz2> Vince-0, am not referring to your problem, but one of my own :)
[10:53] <setite> also.. im a noob so i dont even know where the ppd file goes
[10:54] <kosmonautti> just use wget
[10:54] <andreas_> thats printer drivers ;)
[10:54] <kosmonautti> go to the folder of your choice and hit wget <url>
[10:54] <sobralense> where i can get the "hoary changeslog"
[10:54] <jcspray> Vince-0: You've got ALSA with the OSS emulation layer on top of it, if you're running ubuntu defaults.
[10:54] <sobralense> ?
[10:54] <andreas_> setite: its the printer "driver"
[10:54] <sobralense> I'd like to know why they changed the firefox packages
[10:54] <setite> ok... well imma download the one from sourceforge and hope it works
[10:55] <mz2> setite, you can use the ppd file with e.g. the gnome cups printer configurator, simply by clicking the "Install driver" button
[10:55] <andreas_> ;)
[10:55] <setite> where is k3b... im trying to create a launcher for it
[10:55] <sobralense> setite, type "whereis k3b" on console
[10:55] <Vince-0> jcspray: I selected the nvidia alsa one in the volume controler
[10:55] <andreas_> how can i rund 32 bits programs on my 64 bit ?
[10:56] <setite> i was looking in the regular /bin
[10:56] <kosmonautti> andreas_: 2 choices
[10:56] <kosmonautti> andreas_: ia32-libs or 32-bit chroot (which is the definate way to do it)
[10:56] <setite> whoa my last message was lost
[10:57] <andreas_> kosmonautti: so shold write chroot somethign, what specificly should i do?
[10:58] <kosmonautti> andreas_: not that simple :)
[10:58] <subterrific> ObsidianX: i'm here now
[10:58] <setite> 32bitchroot guide at http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[10:58] <jcspray> Vince-0: in BMP->Preferences->Plugins->Output, what is selected?
[11:00] <Vince-0> jcspray: OSS output plugin , I will try the AlSA one
[11:01] <kosmonautti> pretty funny, my usb mouse seemed to confuse hotplug from time to time and made it hang sometimes
[11:01] <sobralense> anyone here using the latest hoary? =P
[11:01] <kosmonautti> after using usb to ps/2 adaptor it works great
[11:02] <randabis-wireles> damn need to find a deb for unshield
[11:02] <setite> wtf
[11:02] <setite> k3bsetup is telling me my root password is incorrect
[11:02] <Vince-0> jcspray: The Esound one works fine
[11:02] <setite> stupid kde software
[11:03] <sobralense> setite, try "su" ... put your password, and then "k3bsetup"
[11:03] <Vince-0> jcspray: Thanks a milion
[11:03] <Vince-0> million*
[11:03] <sobralense> setite, just trust on "su" =P
[11:03] <kosmonautti> setite: or sudo bash
[11:03] <setite> su?
[11:03] <setite> why not sudo
[11:03] <kosmonautti> sudo bash and you get all
[11:03] <sobralense> I born using su ...
[11:03] <sobralense> =P
[11:04] <setite> bash?
[11:04] <kosmonautti> yes
[11:04] <kosmonautti> test t
[11:04] <kosmonautti> test it
[11:04] <setite> whast bash
[11:04] <kosmonautti> ...
[11:04] <maniak_> Can someone tell me where can I get the correct gstreamer plugin to be able to play mp3s with rythmbox?
[11:04] <sobralense> setite, I think you're kidding .. =)
[11:04] <mz2> what happens in ubuntu if i install an updated kernel? is it installed alongside the one i have now and put as an extra option in my boot menu?
[11:04] <randabis-wireles> bourne again shell
[11:04] <sobralense> setite, man bash
[11:04] <drmctxr> i was about to ask the same question :)
[11:04] <setite> im a recent converty... i shit you not
[11:04] <setite> convert*
[11:05] <kosmonautti> please, watch your language :)
[11:05] <setite> yes maam
[11:05] <setite> :)
[11:05] <kent> maniak_, gstreamer0.8-mad  (its in restricted. Read about it on the homepage of ubuntu.)
[11:05] <randabis-wireles> mz2 depends...if you use a kernel image i don't think it does...not sure
[11:05] <sobralense> *foda
[11:05] <randabis-wireles> i make my own kernels so..
[11:05] <sobralense> setite, try using google
[11:05] <maniak_> Cheers kent - I will have a look
[11:06] <Vince-0> whoot!
[11:06] <sobralense> setite, you gonna fell better =)
[11:06] <mz2> randabis-wireles, ok, will just have to try it out then :)
[11:06] <setite> well it still gives me an error saying k3bsetup not found
[11:06] <Riddell> setite: kdesu does not support sudo yet unfortunatly
[11:06] <sobralense> randabis-wireles, what wireless are U using?
[11:06] <setite> k3b says it needs root priviledges to run stabilly
[11:06] <Riddell> setite: run  sudo k3bsetup  from the command line
[11:06] <jcspray> Vinca-0: Yeah, esound is really the correct one.  Ought to be the default in ubuntu packages.
[11:06] <setite> i did
[11:06] <kent> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto   <- Follow that one, and add restricted. And then install that plugin.
[11:06] <sobralense> setite, I use k3b as a normal user...
[11:06] <randabis-wireles> I do too
[11:07] <randabis-wireles> no root as k3b
[11:07] <setite> should that give it root priviledges?
[11:07] <maniak_> kent - sweet
[11:08] <sobralense> kent - super man's family
[11:08] <kent> maniak_, forgot the add your name to the last comment, im hoping you did not miss it :)
[11:08] <maniak_> kent - no worries I did see it
[11:08] <Vince-0> How do I get my totem to play movies ? (plugin issues i think)
[11:09] <kent> maniak_, and while your at it, i suggest installing totem-xine and w32codecs, that way you can play most movies without troubles :)
[11:09] <sobralense> god save, gdesklets...
[11:09] <setite> damn i wish i had myy dvd burner on this pc... burning 26 episodes and 3 per cd is alot of cds...
[11:09] <sobralense> amen
[11:09] <setite> guess ill wait
[11:09] <binReapr> err, what is pango.pc and atk.pc?
[11:09] <sobralense> setite, try xcdroast ... some people using it
[11:10] <maniak_> Kent - I will have a look - am still on dialup though........
[11:10] <setite> ok... but i think k3b is ok... i just need to wait till i get my other rig working
[11:10] <binReapr> what is "atk"
[11:10] <setite> which reminds me i need to get my printer working
[11:11] <Vince-0> Whats a good movie player with codecs ?
[11:11] <binReapr> nevermind
[11:11] <seb128> totem-xine
[11:12] <Vince-0> seb128: sweet
[11:12] <setite> i like xine
[11:12] <dayson> dayson@Todd:~ $ sudo mount /dev/sda5
[11:12] <dayson> mount: can't find /dev/sda5 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[11:13] <alsotop> Hi, I'm attempting to boot into Ubuntu after just installing it, but it hangs with the following message: <6>note: mount[199]  exited with preempt_count 1 - Can anyone help me, please?
[11:13] <setite> whats sda?
[11:13] <setite> and whats the a on hda
[11:13] <dayson> I have no idea but its suppose to be my usb hardrive
[11:13] <setite> no better yet./.. where are the man pages so i dont have to ask so many small questions
[11:13] <setite> well yea i figured that
[11:13] <diego> setite: 'a' on 'hda' means the first drive
[11:13] <setite> oh ok
[11:13] <diego> hdb is the second, etc
[11:13] <randabis-wireles> yep
[11:14] <setite> so why sda5 instead of ste
[11:14] <setite> sde
[11:14] <poofpoof> will this work with Ubuntu?
[11:14] <poofpoof> http://www.archivum.info/ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com/2005-01/msg00009.html
[11:14] <diego> sda5 is the first logical partition on the first drive
[11:14] <dayson> cause its the one I want to mount
[11:14] <diego> first scsi drive that is
[11:14] <setite> ok
[11:15] <dayson> I wish I could understand this
[11:15] <kent> maniak_, Dialup sucks,  i've been there aswell. :(  but the gstreamer plugin is not that big.  (the other codecs might be though, since they are codecs for *lots* of types of movies/sound
[11:15] <diego> dayson: what's up?
[11:15] <dayson> http://ubuntuguide.org/#listpartitiontables   thats what I was folling
[11:15] <setite> imma see if i can get cinelerra
[11:15] <randabis-wireles> hotplug should take care of usb drives..so maybe your drive isn't supported
[11:15] <dayson> fallowing^
[11:15] <randabis-wireles> dunno
[11:16] <randabis-wireles> apt-get install usbview
[11:16] <dayson> randabis-wireles, its says an error when I did mount in command
[11:16] <randabis-wireles> see if your drive is listed there
[11:16] <alsotop> Can anyone tell me what "<6>note: mount[199]  exited with preempt_count 1" means? I've just installed Ubuntu, and it fails to boot with that error.
[11:17] <dayson> (rw,errors=remount-ro)      usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[11:17] <maniak_> Kent, one day (hopefully soon) I will get a 2mbit broadband link....
[11:17] <dayson> so it has an error and needs to be remounted
[11:18] <randabis-wireles> I don't have any experience with usb drives in linux so I don't know
[11:18] <setite> poofpoof
[11:18] <setite> i imagine it would work
[11:18] <setite> add http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/sid/ to the repo
[11:18] <Vince-0> How do I install apps from a .deb file ?
[11:18] <Riddell> Vince-0: dpkg --install foo.deb
[11:19] <dayson> randabis-wireles, okay thanks anyway I need to go to work I'll try again when I get off
[11:19] <Vince-0> Riddell: thnkz
[11:19] <randabis-wireles> hehe come on kernel...finish compiling
[11:20] <diego> Vince-0: use dpkg
[11:20] <diego> randabis-wireles: i guess you wouldn't like gentoo :P
[11:20] <randabis-wireles> debs make the world go wrong
[11:20] <randabis-wireles> I like gentoo actually... :p
[11:20] <binReapr> Poof: when you install kde in ubuntu when you restart it gives you option to choose environment at login?
[11:21] <randabis-wireles> it would be torture on this laptop though
[11:21] <randabis-wireles> 450 mhz pentium 3
[11:21] <diego> randabis-wireles: heh, that's where i come from. it's great _except_ for the wait time and install time
[11:21] <randabis-wireles> yes
[11:21] <kent> maniak_, thats what i have aswell. I moved from my parents house in the country to a city to study and got 2mb adsl. Its very good for the personal health ;)
[11:21] <poofpoof> can anyone recomend a full featured video editor for Ubuntu :) TIA
[11:21] <randabis-wireles> some idiot was telling me gentoo doesn't take long to install...hehe he was like ooh x.org doesn't take that long to compile
[11:21] <drmctxr> anyone has tips on configuring sound? i have a sis730 motherboard with onboard audio and a macally usb mic (with built-in audio output) and seems like none is working
[11:21] <setite> how do i install the driver
[11:22] <setite> there are alot of files in here
[11:22] <mindphazr> http://www.funroll-loops.org/
[11:22] <binReapr> randabis-wireles: by any chance you have a emachines m6810 laptop with wireless activated :P
[11:22] <diego> bah wtf Firestarter help opened firefox as root...i'm going to report that and tell them to change that gayness.
[11:22] <setite> oh theres a make file
[11:22] <setite> nvm for now
[11:22] <randabis-wireles> binReapr no sir
[11:22] <randabis-wireles> Gateway Solo 2250
[11:22] <Riddell> binReapr: yes
[11:22] <randabis-wireles> old school laptop
[11:22] <binReapr> Ridell you have one?
[11:23] <setite> hey what does make install do
[11:23] <setite> make an installer or actuall install?
[11:23] <binReapr> install
[11:23] <poofpoof> 0o I cant seem to find any video editors for ubuntu
[11:23] <setite> poofpoof why not cinelerra
[11:23] <Ja1> What is the preferred way to disallow regular users to shutdown or reboot the Ubuntu machine ?
[11:24] <setite> from what i know its the best that exists
[11:24] <poofpoof> I cant find deb for cinerella
[11:24] <poofpoof> cinelerra LOL
[11:24] <binReapr> Riddell: yes to m6810 lap or to the kde question =)
[11:24] <randabis-wireles> it installs
[11:25] <randabis-wireles> poofpoof might have to compile it
[11:25] <poofpoof> ah!
[11:25] <randabis-wireles> won't hurt ya...:p just make sure you get all the dependencies
[11:25] <Riddell> binReapr: kde question
[11:25] <setite> /home/setite/lz11-V2-1.0pre1
[11:26] <binReapr> oh, ok, thnx
[11:26] <setite> stupid clipboard
[11:26] <randabis-wireles> heh
[11:26] <setite> http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/sid/
[11:26] <setite> thats the build right
[11:26] <randabis-wireles> anyone hear speak python?
[11:26] <setite> the sid is a debian distro right
[11:27] <setite> hey what does make install do
[11:27] <mindphasr> yeah, sid == debian unstable
[11:27] <randabis-wireles> setite it installs
[11:27] <setite> i thought it made an installer but after i ran it said ****** Installation successfully finished ********
[11:27] <setite> oh ok
[11:27] <binReapr> ok, if I download internet apps there must be .deb right? but how to install them? until now I have been compiling all that I have downloaded
[11:27] <setite> so i installed the driver from sourceforge....
[11:27] <randabis-wireles> now you can run the program
[11:27] <setite> should i reinstall x, whole pc, or nothing at all
[11:27] <setite> i mean reboot x
[11:28] <randabis-wireles> binReapr use dpkg, but you really don't need to download much...just about anything you could ever need is in the universe and multiverse repositories
[11:28] <binReapr> hehehe
[11:28] <Ryan_Singer> so, ubuntu is a debian livecd?
[11:28] <randabis-wireles> no
[11:28] <binReapr> nop
[11:29] <randabis-wireles> ubuntu is a full blown debian-based distro
[11:29] <Ryan_Singer> ah
[11:29] <Vince-0>  Iam tryin to install cedega : this is what I get :
[11:29] <randabis-wireles> there is a liveCD for it, but it's not actually ubuntu
[11:29] <Ryan_Singer> got it
[11:29] <binReapr> and there is a live-cd too if you want to try it out
[11:29] <Vince-0> dpkg --install cedega_4.0.1-1_i386.deb
[11:29] <Vince-0> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[11:29] <setite> livecd sucks
[11:29] <setite> it wouldnt work on this pc
[11:29] <randabis-wireles> the liveCD is morphix with ubuntu feel
[11:29] <randabis-wireles> Vince-O close synaptic
[11:29] <randabis-wireles> if it's open
[11:29] <setite> well it worked... except i was stuck in 800x600
[11:29] <Ryan_Singer> what's the difference between ubuntu and debian besides default skin?
[11:29] <Vince-0> randabis-wireles: good idea
[11:30] <binReapr> I always download liveCD because they do a great job for booting dead systems
[11:30] <Vince-0> live cdz always have driver issues
[11:30] <setite> indeed they do
[11:30] <setite> hey will a system turn on without ram?
[11:30] <setite> at all
[11:30] <randabis-wireles> Ryan, depends on what debian you compare it to
[11:30] <randabis-wireles> bin me too
[11:30] <Ryan_Singer> randabis-wireles: sid?
[11:30] <setite> my other rig was turning on for an instant and shuutting off... i realized later that the ram wasnt fully plugged in
[11:30] <randabis-wireles> no, a system won't run without ram
[11:30] <setite> awesome
[11:30] <setite> so maybe my mobo isnt dead
[11:31] <setite> i need to go get some distilled water... and fix this printer... to finish my computer
[11:31] <setite> ok so how do i install a .eb
[11:31] <randabis-wireles> Ryan, well warty would be like debian stable, except with much newer packages (2.6 kernel, etc), while hoary would be like debian sid
[11:31] <setite> .deb
[11:32] <setite> ubuntu is your mother... put it that way
[11:32] <Ryan_Singer> randabis-wireles: why run hoary instead of sid?
[11:32] <binReapr> usb2 is supposed to be windows native and it wont unload an external device effectively 2 of 3 times, winsux
[11:32] <setite> because its your mother... why else
[11:32] <randabis-wireles> don't know...don't use hoary or sid
[11:32] <randabis-wireles> I run warty
[11:32] <setite> i use warty
[11:32] <setite> had a bad experience with new os... fc3
[11:33] <setite> fc3_64 to be precise...
[11:33] <setite> i dotn think ill ever be a bleeding edge os user again
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> where are system variables exported?
[11:33] <randabis-wireles> bin, heh, usb2 only works in XP service pack 1 or later...or 2000 service pack 4
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need to edit lc_ctype
[11:33] <randabis-wireles> but yeah, native windows anyway
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> LCC_TYPE or whatever.
[11:33] <poofpoof> do we have GCC 3.2, NASM version 0.98.? this is all thay say I need
[11:33] <randabis-wireles> yeah
[11:33] <poofpoof> Cool :)
[11:34] <randabis-wireles> apt-get install build-essential
[11:34] <randabis-wireles> then apt-get install nasm
[11:34] <randabis-wireles> or I think you can chain them into one line
[11:34] <poofpoof> Cool Thanks :)
[11:34] <poofpoof> I am going to try building cinelerra
[11:34] <kotau> do all installations of firefox have a user.js or do I need to create it?
[11:34] <setite> well my printer wont work still after installing the sourceforge version of the driver
[11:35] <setite> do i need to restart x?
[11:35] <randabis-wireles> you might have to modprobe the driver
[11:35] <setite> ok how do i do that
[11:35] <randabis-wireles> modprobe nameofdriver
[11:35] <setite> the main name or the whole thing
[11:36] <setite> i tried modprobe lz11 and it didnt find it
[11:36] <randabis-wireles> don't know then...read the driver documentation
[11:37] <poofpoof> LMAO how the heck do I unpackage cinelerra-1.2.1-src.tar.bz2, ark tells me that is dont support paths with TAR,,, is there some comandline thing for this?
[11:38] <setite> im gonna reinstart the whole pc... that usually fixes some problems
[11:38] <randabis-wireles> tar xvjf foo.tar.bz2
[11:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> what files is used to export system environment variables?
[11:38] <poofpoof> Tahnks :)
[11:38] <randabis-wireles> np
[11:39] <hikaru79> What is the easiest way to get KDE 3.3.2 working on Ubuntu?
[11:39] <Riddell> hikaru79: use hoary and universe and apt-get install kde-core
[11:39] <poofpoof> sudo apt-get install kde
[11:40] <hikaru79> poofpoof, that's 3.1.3, not 3.3.2
[11:40] <hikaru79> Riddell, thanks :)
[11:40] <poofpoof> Ooo I want new version too :)
[11:40] <poofpoof> must we compile thhe new KDE?
[11:40] <hikaru79> poofpoof, it's in hoary, apparently
[11:40] <hikaru79> Just change the package
[11:41] <hikaru79> *repository
[11:41] <Riddell> poofpoof: the important bits of 3.3.2 are in hoary
[11:41] <drmctxr> what package i need to configure my soundcard? or is it supposed to just magically work? :)
[11:41] <hikaru79> drmctxr, it'll magically work most of the time.
[11:41] <poofpoof> shoot! I think I have warty :/
[11:41] <hikaru79> poofpoof, you just need to change 1 line to have accses to hoary
[11:41] <drmctxr> hikaru79, what if it doesnt?
[11:41] <poofpoof> can I apt-get and become L337 hoary?
[11:41] <poofpoof> Ah ok
[11:41] <hikaru79> drmctxr, lemme check the forum
[11:42] <hikaru79> Riddell, is universe the ONLY repository that has to be switched to hoary?
[11:43] <sobralense> Poof, hoary is great, sometimes U cant even enter gnome .. but its great.. =)
[11:43] <hikaru79> Riddell, can one switch to hoary, install ONLY KDE, and switch back to warty? (Without upgrading any of the packages)?
[11:43] <poofpoof> oh 0o
[11:43] <poofpoof> I want KDE anyways
[11:44] <randabis-wireles> eew
[11:44] <elmaya> kde sucks ass
[11:44] <randabis-wireles> I hate kde
[11:44] <poofpoof> 0o
[11:44] <LotusGeek51> kate is nice tho
[11:44] <poofpoof> I have gnome too :)
[11:44] <usual> i wouldn't say kde sucks ass
[11:44] <poofpoof> gonna get enlightnment and IceWM soon too :)
[11:45] <kotau> hikaru> About that magically configured soundcard, I have no card, but onboard audio player
[11:45] <elmaya> sucks eggs?
[11:45] <usual> it's good software
[11:45] <LotusGeek51> just too much eye kandy for my liking and dont like konquerer
[11:45] <Riddell> hikaru79: if you do that it may cause problems when installing stuff later, I advist installing only KDE but not doing a dist-upgrade or anything and keeping hoary, it's fairly safe
[11:48] <randabis-wireles> I use gnome, but fluxbox when I need something lighter
[11:48] <poofpoof> what line must i change to get hoary stuff? I want to try new KDE :) is it in synaptic?
[11:48] <LotusGeek51> how does the new xfce run
[11:49] <LotusGeek51> i havent used it since version 3.x
[11:49] <Riddell> poofpoof: change anything saying 'warty' to 'hoary'
[11:49] <poofpoof> KDE 3.3.2  looks verry nice
[11:49] <kent> poofpoof, read the ubuntu homepage. There is documentation on changing to Hoary.
[11:49] <poofpoof> Oh ok that is easy :)
[11:49] <poofpoof> Thanks
[11:53] <andreas_> hey, iam trying to setup chroot, but the server seems to be changed,  Failed getting release file http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/warty/Release
[11:53] <andreas_> is my bootstrapper bad configed, or is it something else?
[11:55] <elvirolo> hi all!
[11:55] <kotau> yo
[11:55] <doctorjuggles> hey people. anyone think they can help with a VNC question?
[11:56] <elvirolo> I installed Entrance (E's display manager) and I'd like to make it default (instead of KDM)
[11:56] <elvirolo> could anyone help me do that?
[11:56] <Vince-0> I've got firefox in a .tar.gz file , how do I install it from there ?
[11:56] <elvirolo> Vince-0, : is it the installer version,
[11:56] <elvirolo> ?
[11:56] <andreas_> Vince-0: tar xvfz "file.tar"
[11:56] <jcspray> elvirolo: "apt-get remove kdm"?
[11:57] <Vince-0> envirolo : I think so
[11:57] <Vince-0> andreas_: I will try that
[11:57] <elvirolo> Vince-0, type the command andreas_ pointed out, and then run the installer
[11:57] <sap> does suspend to disk use the swap partition?
[11:57] <elvirolo> jcspray, yes, but would this make entrance the default display manager ? i fear not
[11:58] <hikaru79> Can someone check this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=45586
[11:58] <hikaru79> And see if they have any suggestions?
[11:58] <andreas_> you run then the installer, wich you most likely will find in a sh file
[11:58] <hikaru79> There's quite a bunch of us that are stumped by it :(
[11:58] <poofpoof> Is this the instructions http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/Kubuntu? I have to re-install?
[11:58] <hikaru79> poofpoof, Kubuntu hasn't even been released yet
[11:58] <hikaru79> You have to switch to hoary
[11:58] <hikaru79> Check on the forums for how to do that
[11:58] <andreas_> Vince-0: launch this either like sh "file.sh" or ./"file"
[11:58] <Vince-0> elvirolo: it just extracted the folders into the parent folder ....
[11:59] <poofpoof> ok I keep looking
[11:59] <Vince-0> andreas_: kk -...
[11:59] <hikaru79> Vince-0, now go to the firefox-installer directory and 'sh' the installer file
[11:59] <kotau> link to these forums plz
[11:59] <hikaru79> Vince-0, why not just use the .deb package in the backports repository>?
[11:59] <elvirolo> can anyone help with my prob?
[11:59] <hikaru79> kotau, http://ubuntuforums.org
[11:59] <kotau> hai, domo
[11:59] <Riddell> elvirolo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm