[12:00] <Vince-0> hikaru79: too easy ....
[12:00] <andreas_> does somebody have a bootstrapper installed?
[12:00] <elvirolo> Riddell, aaah, thanks ... but Entrance doesn't show up in the list :(
[12:00] <randabis-wireles> the firefox in the ubuntu backports repository works well
[12:00] <Vince-0> andreas_: I have GRUB installed : I am havin trouble with it on my other PC
[12:00] <hikaru79> Vince-0, lo
[12:01] <hikaru79> *lol
[12:01] <andreas_> lol
[12:01] <Nafallo> is there an ubuntuway to empty CD-RWs?
[12:01] <poofpoof> all I find in forum is pissing contest between gnome and KDE users so far LOL!
[12:01] <andreas_> Vince-0: ;) i also got grub, isnt that nice, but bootstrapper is something else...
[12:01] <randabis-wireles> haha
[12:01] <Riddell> poofpoof: what are you looking for?
[12:01] <andreas_> :D
[12:01] <elvirolo> Riddell, is there a configuration file i can edit?
[12:02] <randabis-wireles> I piss further
[12:02] <poofpoof> install instruction for newest Bleeding edge KDE
[12:02] <hikaru79> Riddell, same here
[12:02] <andreas_> Vince-0: dont take it bad, thanks for trying ;)
[12:02] <Riddell> poofpoof: bleading edge means compiling CVS, see developer.kde.org
[12:02] <hikaru79> I can't install KDE from hoary, it's missing a package called kcmlinuz
[12:02] <poofpoof> ok, not that bleeding...
[12:02] <Riddell> poofpoof: but if you want 3.3.2 get it from hoary
[12:03] <hikaru79> Judging from the forums, I'm not the first to have that problem
[12:03] <poofpoof> yea
[12:03] <hikaru79> Riddell, we can't
[12:03] <Riddell> hikaru79: use package kde-core  not kde
[12:03] <hikaru79> Ooh
[12:03] <hikaru79> J
[12:03] <hikaru79> *K
[12:03] <andreas_> damn i drink a lot of water today ;)
[12:03] <Vince-0> andreas_: oh yar , I think I came accross that bootstrapper when installing Gentoo
[12:03] <Riddell> hikaru79: kde metapackage is broken at the moment (and you don't want kcmlinuz anyway, it's also broken)
[12:03] <randabis-wireles> heh a lot of heat comes out of this laptop :p
[12:03] <hikaru79> Riddell, so what's the difference between kde metapackage and kde-core?
[12:04] <andreas_> did you get you firefox work Vince-0
[12:04] <andreas_> ?
[12:04] <Riddell> hikaru79: kde is all kde packages, you probably don't want there's a lot of them.  kde-core is kdebase and you can install other things as required
[12:04] <Riddell> hikaru79: install libarts1-mpeglib if you are using any KDE music programmes
[12:04] <hikaru79> Sweet =) Thanks, Riddell
[12:05] <randabis-wireles> yeah kde has a lot of bloat hehe
[12:05] <Vince-0> andreas_: nort - no luck - I cant find an installer script
[12:05] <andreas_> YAY I GOT IT TO WORK :d
[12:05] <randabis-wireles> Vince-0 use the firefox from the ubuntu backports repository
[12:05] <Vince-0> randabis-wireles: I will
[12:06] <Vince-0> I get a huge error msg when I open synaptic in hoary
[12:06] <Mabus> does anyone know how I can burn an SVCD ?
[12:06] <Riddell> we need a new channel #ubuntu-ignorant-kde-flamers
[12:06] <randabis-wireles> Add a line to your /etc/apt/sources.list like this:
[12:06] <randabis-wireles> deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe
[12:06] <randabis-wireles> you don't need to use synaptic
[12:06] <randabis-wireles> apt-get works
[12:07] <randabis-wireles> you'd do apt-get upgrade mozilla-firefox
[12:07] <andreas_> before i continue my install... chroot looks like an basic system, right?
[12:08] <hikaru79> Riddell, bad news =(
[12:08] <hikaru79> <-- alka_trash (~homer@c-67-166-91-212.client.comcast.net) has left #ubuntu
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 hikaru79: kde is all kde packages, you probably don't want there's a lot of them.  kde-core is kdebase and you can install other things as required
[12:09] <hikaru79> Oops
[12:09] <hikaru79> x_X
[12:09] <hikaru79> Bad paste
[12:10] <hikaru79> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%a3.3.2-1ubuntu3_all.deb
[12:10] <hikaru79> Failed to apply all changes! Scroll in this buffer to see what went wrong.
[12:10] <hikaru79> Riddell, any ideas? =(
[12:10] <Riddell> hikaru79: what was the error?
[12:10] <randabis-wireles> hmmm...
[12:10] <darmou> does anyone know how to get rythmbox to play mp3s is it done within a gsteramer plugin?
[12:10] <hikaru79> That's all it said about the error. Above that, it was all "Setting up" and stuff
[12:11] <darmou> gstreamer even
[12:11] <randabis-wireles> think I'm gonna update to hoary for no reason...:p
[12:11] <darmou> I updated and now my sound works:)
[12:11] <randabis-wireles> I'm bored and want something to break so I can fix it lol
[12:11] <darmou> :)
[12:12] <hikaru79> Oh, wait, Riddell, I found the error
[12:12] <Tomcat_> randabis-wireles: Fix the ACPI scripts... they're buggy in Warty :)
[12:12] <hikaru79> Have to type it out though
[12:12] <darmou> Well do you know what I need to do for rythmbox I had the same problem with warty
[12:12] <hikaru79> May take a while
[12:12] <Riddell> hikaru79: it's probably clashing with openoffice icons,  sudo dpkg --install --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%a3.3.2-1ubuntu3_all.deb
[12:12] <hikaru79> Riddell, it is :) Good call
[12:14] <randabis-wireles> hah
[12:14] <Poof> is hoary installed from liveCD?
[12:14] <randabis-wireles> is it okay to update to hoary while I'm sitting here typing?
[12:14] <randabis-wireles> no
[12:14] <randabis-wireles> the live cd isn't even ubuntu
[12:14] <randabis-wireles> it's morphix with a ubuntu feel
[12:14] <Mabus> randabis-wireles: you can upgrade, yes.
[12:14] <randabis-wireles> ok
[12:15] <Mabus> randabis-wireles: all applications on Linux are kept in memory. It won't replace it with the new version untill you quit it and start again.
[12:15] <randabis-wireles> apt-get dist-upgrade right?
[12:15] <Vince-0> where can I get debian isoz ? cos on my local ftpz therz some funky files I dunno what to do with
[12:15] <Mabus> randabis-wireles: yes
[12:15] <randabis-wireles> cool
[12:15] <randabis-wireles> already changed sources.list
[12:15] <Mabus> Vince-0: debian.org ?
[12:15] <Prox2far> mabus, www.linuxiso.com
[12:16] <Vince-0> ...
[12:16] <Mabus> or there :)
[12:16] <randabis-wireles> 161 mb of additional disk space will be used...sound about right?
[12:16] <Prox2far> mabus, sorry meant www.linuxiso.org
[12:16] <Vince-0> owez : try this , I stay in South Africa ,
[12:16] <hikaru79> Is it possible to use the '--force-all' paramater through Synaptic>
[12:16] <hikaru79> */
[12:17] <hikaru79> *?
[12:17] <Mabus> hikaru79: not that I know of.
[12:17] <hikaru79> :(
[12:17] <Mabus> does anyone know how to burn SVCDs on Linux?
[12:17] <Mabus> cdrdao, perhaps ?
[12:17] <sobralense> Mabus, already tried k3b?
[12:17] <sobralense> Mabus, I've never burned svcds... =/
[12:18] <Mabus> no, haven't tried k3b
[12:18] <Mabus> bah! that requires kdelibs
[12:18] <sobralense> sure
[12:18] <sobralense> just the essencials..
[12:18] <Mabus> yes, but I don't want them :)
[12:18] <sobralense> not kde at all
[12:19] <Ensiferum> hello
[12:19] <randabis-wireles> okie dokie
[12:19] <randabis-wireles> hoary here I come
[12:19] <sobralense> randabis-wireles, I'm already .. be carefull
[12:19] <sobralense> ehehe
[12:20] <randabis-wireles> I will
[12:20] <Mabus> randabis-wireles: don't expect it to work all the time.
[12:20] <randabis-wireles> I won't
[12:20] <Mabus> for example, xorg was totally broken for >24 hours during christmas.
[12:20] <randabis-wireles> I can always go back if I want right?
[12:20] <sobralense> Mabus, just dont make apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade every time, and you will survive
[12:20] <sobralense> =)
[12:20] <Mabus> err.. theoretically, yes.
[12:20] <kent> randabis-wireles, just be prepared on some problems time to time.
[12:20] <randabis-wireles> haha theoretically
[12:20] <Mabus> :)
[12:20] <Hikaru79> Riddell, time to test by brand new KDE install :)
[12:20] <Hikaru79> BRB, hopefully
[12:21] <doctorjuggles> anyone know how to enable Ubuntu to accept VNC connections at the login screen? or how to disable the login screen so it boots straight to desktop?
[12:21] <randabis-wireles> ew kde hehe
[12:21] <Mabus> randabis-wireles: don't worry, I run it here and have been running it since hoary was created.
[12:21] <randabis-wireles> great
[12:21] <Mabus> doctorjuggles: you need to autologin.
[12:21] <mjr> doctorjuggles, the latter can be done from gdmconfig
[12:21] <randabis-wireles> I put on my brave boots
[12:21] <sobralense> my gnome wont open from and upgrade last nigth, I think I'm lucky, because today worked fine after another upgrade
[12:21] <sobralense> ehehhe
[12:21] <sobralense> s/and/an
[12:21] <knath> greetings, all.  i was wondering if anyone could help me with the sonypi module
[12:22] <mjr> the first, well, I suppose you could tell gdm to start an Xvnc server also in the gdm config files; see /etc/gdm/* comments if you want to pursue this
[12:22] <doctorjuggles> thanks Mabus and mjr. are the settings to autologin in the ubuntuguide?
[12:22] <mjr> dunno, but gdmconfig is kinda self-explanatory
[12:23] <doctorjuggles> okay, mjr, thanks, I'll have a play around with it.
[12:23] <empe> reportbug goes to ubuntu-users list not bugzilla?
[12:23] <randabis-wireles> well guess I'll go out for a little walk or something...it's gonna be a while for this to finish me thinks
[12:24] <sobralense> doctorjuggles, I have a kind of "auto-login" ... 30 sec. after gdm apper , it will boot with my account
[12:24] <sobralense> randabis-wireles, about 300mb to download? =)
[12:25] <knath> just wondering if there's anyone who might be able to help with a kernel module problem
[12:26] <tidalwav> what's the problem, knath
[12:26] <knath> hi.  trying to get sonypi (for sony laptops, screen brightness, etc) to load automatically
[12:27] <knath> modprobe sonypi works fine
[12:27] <tidalwav> you mean, on boot?
[12:27] <knath> yes, that's right.
[12:27] <tidalwav> ok h/o
[12:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone here have any idea how to edit xkb maps?
[12:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> i edit the dvorak maps but it doesn't change anything..i think it's the wrong files i'm changing.
[12:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> where are the real keymaps that are being used?
[12:28] <tidalwav> knath: you could put modprobe sonypi into /etc/modules.conf
[12:29] <knath> i ran update_modules and here's what it put into modules.conf
[12:29] <hikaru79> Riddell, not-so-good news :( Booting into KDE gives me "could not start kdeinit. Check your installation and try again."
[12:29] <hikaru79> :(
[12:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i change my ubuntu system so that i won't keep seeing these ridiculous words like "behaviour" and "colour"
[12:29] <empe> Does reportbug not send to the bugzilla?
[12:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm not in the uk dammmit.
[12:30] <tidalwav> broken_ladder: did you install using american english?
[12:30] <knath> alias char-major-10-250 sonypi
[12:30] <knath> options sonypi minor=250
[12:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> duh
[12:30] <hikaru79> BROKEN_LADDER, you must have chosen either UK or Canada as your location
[12:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> jesus..bad accident.
[12:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> no way to easily fix that eh?
[12:30] <hikaru79> BROKEN_LADDER, run base-config
[12:31] <knath> test
[12:32] <tidalwav> knath:
[12:33] <tidalwav> *knath: just add "sonypi" to /etc/modules
[12:33] <tidalwav> and see if that works
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> base-config is asking me about installing packages.
[12:36] <tidalwav> what's it asking
[12:36] <Riddell> hikaru79: run  sudo ldconfig  and try again?
[12:36] <Riddell> hikaru79: what happens when you run a KDE application from the command line?
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> upgradable packages, new packages, etc.
[12:37] <tidalwav> well what specifically is it asking
[12:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just want my language to be regular english.
[12:37] <tidalwav> "would you like to install" or something else?
[12:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> not that old english ou nonsense.
[12:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> not-installed packages..
[12:38] <tidalwav> BL: I dont understand.
[12:39] <hikaru79> I love you, Riddell =D
[12:39] <knath> PART #ubuntu
[12:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> tidalwav: i'm using base-config
[12:40] <tidalwav> BL: I know
[12:40] <ChrisC_> I have a basic question for anyone here who uses a Palm OS PDA synced with Ubuntu ...
[12:40] <hikaru79> Riddell, only problem I have now is that the KDE "start menu" is totally blank; not even the little software I have (gtk+ progs, Konsole, etc) show up. Do I have to add manually?
[12:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> and i want to change my language to american english instead of british english which i must have accidentally chosen.
[12:40] <tidalwav> bL: I understand
[12:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> but there's no option to change that.  i just see options related to downloading packages.
[12:40] <hikaru79> BROKEN_LADDER, is it really that much of a problem to see an extra 'u' in there?
[12:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's way annoying.
[12:41] <tidalwav> BL: you need to say exactly what baseconfig is asking.
[12:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> if i could fix it without too much trouble i'd like to.
[12:41] <ChrisC_> Where do you set up the conduits (i.e. where the data goes on your PC when you sync)?  For warty.
[12:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm annoyed just having to use small letters in irc.
[12:41] <hikaru79> lol
[12:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> having to use qwerty keymaps in public places.
[12:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> having to hear people speak english instead of esperanto.
[12:41] <hikaru79> You don't use a qwerty keymap?
[12:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> fuck no
[12:41] <hikaru79> LOL
[12:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> i use dvorak
[12:42] <housetier_> still you can mind your language
[12:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> and i'm trying to edit my dvorak keymap to choose esperanto characters.
[12:42] <hikaru79> Seriously? =O Can I see a photo? I've never seen one of those!
[12:42] <Vince-0> how do i see what kernel I have ( I gotta get the source for it ) ?
[12:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> one of what?
[12:42] <hikaru79> Vince-0, uname -a
[12:42] <Vince-0> thnkz
[12:42] <hikaru79> A dvorak keyboard
[12:42] <tidalwav> broken_ladder: you could also try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:42] <crimsun> it's not _that_ painful adjusting between the two. I use dvorak because a PT friend recommended it.
[12:42] <ChrisC_> Vince-0, do you maybe just need the kernel headers?
[12:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm using a dvorak keymap with a regular keyboard.
[12:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> tidalwav: i already changed my locale.
[12:43] <tidalwav> hikaru: http://www.shiar.org/happy/txts/dvorakey.jpg
[12:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> now i'd like to edit my keymap so that it will display esperanto charecters as third level options.
[12:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> i've edited a few files called "dvorak" but it doesn't seem to change things.  i need to find out which is the one  thath is really being used.
[12:43] <Vince-0> ChrisC_: I wanna install ATI drivers - said I need source files or summing
[12:43] <kezz> BROKEN_LADDER, do you about on comp.lang.c?
[12:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> ?
[12:43] <kezz> nvm
[12:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> do you about on irc?
[12:44] <kezz> +hang
[12:44] <ChrisC_> Vince-0, OK, but usually what they mean is that you need the kernel headers, a common requirement for compiling a kernel module.  You can get just the headers via Synaptic I believe.
[12:45] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: I'm presuming you've already run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-data'
[12:45] <Vince-0> ChrisC_: what name / desc ?
[12:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> to do what?
[12:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> what exactly would that do for me?
[12:45] <ChrisC_> On warty, to configure PalmOS hotsync behavior I go to Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> PalmOS Devices.  Does anyone know how it's done in hoary?  Can't find it.
[12:46] <Vince-0> ChrisC_: Its the headers - cos I got the other ones installed already
[12:46] <ChrisC_> Vince-0, search for linux-headers
[12:46] <Vince-0> ChrisC_: got it thnkz
[12:46] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: apt-cache show console-data, read the Description.
[12:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> that has absolutely nothing to do with what i'm trying to accomplish.
[12:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm talking about xkb maps.
[12:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> and i don't NEED the map.  i can create it.
[12:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just need to edit the right keymap and i don't know which one thati s.
[12:51] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: does this help you at all? http://lists.debian.org/debian-esperanto/2004/11/msg00018.html
[12:52] <poofpoof> installing wine, any thing I should know first?
[12:52] <Prower> poofpoof, You might also find installing winesetuptk useful
[12:53] <poofpoof> Cool, i see that Thanks :)
[12:53] <mpjung> I just upgraded from warty to hedgehog and I got a local mail telling me that in order to use the recent reiser4progs package I need to convert my FS.
[12:54] <mpjung> So I booted my system in the rescue mode and remounted my filesystem readonly
[12:54] <mpjung> but when calling debugfs.reiser4 -C /dev/hda5 it tells me that the magic is wrong.
[12:55] <poofpoof> Thanks for the help :) installing now :)
[12:55] <Prower> No problem, winesetuptk makes it a bit easier to do the initial configuration
[12:55] <ChrisC_> On warty, to configure PalmOS hotsync behavior I go to Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> PalmOS Devices.  Does anyone know how it's done in hoary?  Can't find it.
[12:56] <mpjung> Is there anything wrong with my filesystem? Did there anything change from the reiser4progs in warty to the ones in horay ?
[12:56] <yorkomo> weird
[12:56] <mpjung> (Any fast response would be apreciated as I'm currently limited to one shell which is running irssi. *g*)
[12:56] <yorkomo> winesetuptk and wine cannot be installed together
[12:58] <poofpoof> Are there other windows emulators for Ubuntu?
[12:58] <poofpoof> I just got wine
[12:59] <crimsun> there's one geared for gaming, like cedega/winex
[12:59] <kent> poofpoof, vmware works aswell.  But it works in a diffrent way, and you have to "buy" it.
[12:59] <poofpoof> ah :)
[12:59] <binReapr> hi, Im on my ubuntu lap now,no wifi but ethernet =/
[12:59] <crimsun> then there are machine emulators like bochs, qemu, xen, vmware, ...
[12:59] <mpjung> poofpoof: afaik wine is the only "working" choice atm. Of course there is bochs (which emulates a whole computer which can run any other os) and the commercial VMware and cedega from transgaming.
[12:59] <poofpoof> Cool thanks :)
[01:00] <mpjung> poofpoof: the trick of wine is ... it's not an emulator at all. ;)
[01:00] <bretze1> sh**T -- what's the sequences of compiling the kernel ? ( make modules/bzImage/ ) oops don;t understand I am blank
[01:01] <mpjung> poofpoof: wine only provides some kind of wrapper for all the calls and converts them vice verse. - that's the reason why WINE is so fast. :)
[01:01] <binReapr> ok, now, where can I find what programs are in apt-get? a list
[01:02] <Mabus> sobralense: k3b seems to work fine!
[01:02] <Mabus> sobralense: I found some ways to do it with shell commands, but they were too arcane :)
[01:02] <mpjung> binReapr: there are thousands of packages - what about using "apt-cache search <pattern>" or using aptitude/dselect ?
[01:02] <binReapr> ok
[01:02] <mpjung> bretze1: make dep clean bzImage modules modules_install
[01:03] <ChrisC_> binReapr, Synaptic is very easy to use and graphical
[01:03] <Mabus> bretze1: or you could use the debian make-kpkg tool
[01:03] <binReapr> yes, but still dont know how to install files that are no on the synaptics list already
[01:04] <bretze1> mpjung: Ah! ouch! long time i didn't re-compile a kernel :-) thanks!
[01:04] <ChrisC_> how do I administer the gnome applications menu (top of screen), like see what command it has actually associated with an icon?
[01:05] <binReapr> I did apt-get install k3b and it says couldn't find package k3b
[01:05] <bretze1> and there is a debian specifc dkpg(?) special commadn also isn't it ?
[01:06] <ChrisC_> k3b is in the "universe" repository
[01:06] <poofpoof> LOL! I got my slave drive installed but I have no permission to use it LOL!
[01:07] <Prower> binReapr, Go into synaptics, settings, repositories, and enable the "universe" repositories..then do apt-get update in a console as root :>
[01:07] <binReapr> mmhh, is there a faq on synaptics?
[01:07] <binReapr> ok
[01:07] <ChrisC_> before going to root / command prompt, play with synaptics for a while, you can actually get most of your tasks done in there
[01:08] <crimsun> or just click Reload after adding the 'universe' repo
[01:08] <bretze1> I forgot to take note of what randabis did successfully
[01:08] <ChrisC_> how do I administer the gnome applications menu (top of screen), like see what command it has actually associated with an icon?
[01:08] <Prower> ChrisC_: Open up Nautilus, hit ctrl-l, and put in applications://
[01:08] <JDahl> poofpoof, what's so funny about that?
[01:09] <ChrisC_> thanks Prower!
 The one I attempted to install ubuntu on keeps complaining about an error with the hard disk
 ubuntu does that
 it's broken sometimes
 hopefully hoary will be better
[01:09] <bluefoxicy> can we PLEASE have a new Warty re-release some day when this is fixed?
[01:09] <zido> anybody know a guide to make a webcam work with Linux? (Creative NX Pro)
[01:09] <Ensiferum> arent the bugs in the Debian Sarge installer?
[01:10] <bluefoxicy> well then somebody needs to fix the sarge d-i
[01:10] <Prower> ChrisC_: No problem
[01:10] <bluefoxicy> and put it on warty
[01:10] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: makes more sense to fix it for Hoary instead of fixing it for Warty
[01:10] <Prower> bluefoxicy, Strange, I don't remember getting an error like that...I guess some people don't have problems with it
[01:11] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  fix it before hoary.  Warty right now is out AND BROKEN.  Is it acceptable to leave Warty broken if a fix comes along long enough before Hoary? (say a couple months)
[01:11] <bluefoxicy> Prower:  it doesn't.  It worked fine on my uncle's computer, and on my aunt's.  Breaks on mine and my laptop.  Breaks on my laptop in some situations, works in others
[01:11] <bluefoxicy> i.e. the custom or expert modes can't ever write to the hard disk
[01:12] <bluefoxicy> the kernel refuses to read the partition table
[01:12] <bluefoxicy> until I wipe the 2#*$ thing and partition with fdisk.
[01:12] <poofpoof> for a new hard drive is it chmod I use to read and write to the new disk? I am getting permission denied.
[01:13] <xBrianx> So, I was looking at the Ubuntu Live CD (as posted on DistroWatch) and noticed that there's an error on it, if anyone cares
[01:13] <crimsun> xBrianx: take it up with the distrowatch people, please
[01:13] <xBrianx> it's an error on the livecd...
[01:13] <ChrisC_> Prower, no matter what I enter into the Nautilus location prompt (Ctrl-L not Ctrl-l :) ) it says "applications:/// does not exist", three slashes no matter how many I entered
[01:14] <crimsun> xBrianx: which error?
[01:14] <JDahl> bluefoxicy, do you use SATA drives? that's known to cause troubles... also rather than bashing free software you should complain to your computer manufacturer who makes systems that only works with Windows and driver patches
[01:15] <xBrianx> it's just something small, but there are a few pages (check the "Open Source" link) which give the title as 7-Zip, although the pages have nothing to do with 7-zip.  Seems there may need to be some double-checking of the titles.  Like I say, nothing big.
[01:15] <sobralense> that live cd its full of bug, thereisn't news about this.
[01:16] <xBrianx> egh, I figured I should at least mention it.  Take it or leave it.
[01:17] <poofpoof> I have the new drive mounted, and a mountpoint called /data I can see them in the file browser and in the terminal but cant change the read write permissions... anyone have any idea how to do this?
[01:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> why is keyboard shortcts so insanely problematic?
[01:18] <JDahl> Poofpoof, you need to update /etc/fstab, try man /etc/fstab or google on it
[01:18] <bluefoxicy> oh sweet
[01:18] <bluefoxicy> the genetics algorithm kernel boots
[01:18] <bluefoxicy> as + zephod both with the genetics alg
[01:20] <poofpoof> it was added to the Fstab durring installI guess... /data            reiserfs  defaults         0        2  /dev/hda2
[01:21] <bluefoxicy> heh
[01:21] <bluefoxicy> I gave up on /data
[01:21] <bluefoxicy> just made /home/shared
[01:21] <bluefoxicy> ln -s home/shared /data
[01:21] <JDahl> poofpoof, my advice is still "man /etc/fstab"
[01:22] <fashions> questions with install of acrobat 5.0.10.tar before i start
[01:23] <fashions> how to mentioned acroread but not in any default lists synaptic
[01:25] <fashions> downloaded acrobat tar from adobe
[01:26] <sobralense> fashions, why not xpdf/gs/gv  ?
[01:27] <fashions> scribus desires acrobat
[01:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> no crimsun i already did what that page said, when i try to do xsetkbd it has an error
[01:29] <poofpoof> Heh! lol! What is the Root password for Ubuntu? the one I use for my user name dosent work in KDE when i get prompted for root password...
[01:30] <mjg59> poofpoof: There isn't one to start with. If you need to set one, do sudo passwd in a terminal
[01:30] <binReapr> why all k3b dependencies say but it is not going to be installed or it is not installable?
[01:31] <poofpoof> ok thanks
[01:31] <jcspray> binReapr: dependencies such as?
[01:31] <binReapr> k3blibs
[01:31] <binReapr> kdelibs4
[01:32] <binReapr> kdebase-bin
[01:32] <zido> anybody now know any guides for setting up a Creative NX Pro webcam on Linux? (ubuntu)
[01:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm having this bizarre problem where my arrow keys stop working.
[01:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> earlier i was setting keyboard shortcuts and they worked fine
[01:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> i set mod4-right to be "next song" for instance.
[01:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> now when I try to set that sequence, it says i'm pressing mod4-0x62
 thankyou your tip worked
[01:35] <poofpoof> i did konquorer from commandline with sudo, and i was able to make my other hard disk writeable :) Thanks
[01:35] <jcspray> zido: http://zc0302.sourceforge.net/zc0302.php?page=cams
[01:36] <fashions> installing .tar without going thru apt will leave it independent of apt, so what can be done to keep it in apts radar
[01:36] <jcspray> zido: looks like that driver is in early stages of development, so getting it working is likely to be highly technical :-/
[01:38] <zido> which probably isn't something i should be getting in to before i'm more used to linux :p
[01:40] <brian__> can anyone tell me how to get 32 bit color with my nvidia card? I only have 24-bit
[01:40] <mjg59> brian__: Most cards only provide 24 bit colour in 32 bit mode
[01:40] <jcspray> zido: yeah.  Actually, when I was new to linux I had a similar problem: making my Logitech Quickcam work was very difficult.  However, now the driver is more mature and it works straigt out of the box.
[01:40] <jcspray> zido: so, um, wait two years :-)
[01:40] <zido> ah, no problem
[01:40] <zido> :p
[01:40] <kezz> aren't 8 out of 32 bits alpa channel bits anyway
[01:41] <mjg59> brian__: When X says "24 bit colour", it's probably using the card in 32 bit mode
[01:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's color
[01:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> c o l o r
[01:42] <kezz> no we invented the language so its colour
[01:42] <darkling> It's colour where I'm sitting.
[01:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> the u is so pointless
[01:42] <brian__> srry colour here, no doot a boot it
[01:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's the kind of thing that only a pack of ignorant brits would do.
[01:43] <darkling> I object to being called ignorant.
[01:43] <mjg59> I object to being called a brit
[01:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> canadians say ou too?
[01:43] <kezz> says the yank with the weird keyboard
[01:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[01:43] <Nominus> How to choose version of gcc compiler used by default? update-alternatoves --list gcc shows only /usr/bin/gcc
[01:43] <brian__> yes i just didnt place it in my Q
[01:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> my keyboard is completely normal.
[01:43] <Cloudchaser> yikes i just moved my top bar somehow and now theres these really huge, giant app icons down the side of my screen! like 2-3 inches wide!
[01:43] <mjg59> BROKEN_LADDER: Well, other than it not having enough keys
[01:44] <mjg59> Cloudchaser: Click somewhere on the panel and then drag it to the top of the screen
[01:44] <brian__> ok but im making something in inkscape atm and the gradient is very choppy however i windows 32 bit its smooth
[01:44] <brian__> in*
[01:44] <mjg59> brian__: It's likely to be some other problem
[01:44] <kezz> brian__, wouldn't that be the resolution?
[01:44] <Cloudchaser> that didn't work it just dragged an icon onto the desktop
[01:44] <brian__> same res 800 in both os's
[01:44] <mjg59> Cloudchaser: You need to click on a bit of the panel that has nothing else in it
[01:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's the standard key capture program called?
[01:45] <Cloudchaser> on the top it has the applications and computer menus
[01:45] <brian__> no like the color doesnt transition smothly
[01:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> my keyboard has 105
[01:45] <Cloudchaser> no blank space
[01:45] <kezz> brian__, are you starting and ending in exactly the same colour with the same step?
[01:46] <brian__> no, i think if what u mean , my gradient doesnt end in the sme colour
[01:46] <Cloudchaser> i can't find a blank spot on it..the icons take up all the space vertically
[01:46] <Cloudchaser> there's only 4 from top to bottom of screen
[01:47] <brian__> it there an nvidia configuirator (other dan nvidia-settings) in the apt repos ?
[01:47] <bob2> I still haven't actually found a use for the logical-not key on this keyboard
[01:47] <Cloudchaser> this is awful!
[01:48] <kezz> brian__, apt-cache search nvidia?
[01:48] <brian__> k
[01:48] <Cloudchaser> oh phew! i got it back to normal!
[01:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> is altgr the third level chooser?
[01:48] <Cloudchaser> not quite sure how but a little hand appeared finally and let me drag it back ;)
[01:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> what exactly does altgr mean?
[01:48] <zido> hahahaha
[01:49] <zido> Cloudchaser: that's ingenious, now i tried it
[01:49] <zido> how did you get it back to normal? :P
[01:49] <Cloudchaser> hahaha
[01:49] <zido> ah
[01:49] <zido> nm, got it
[01:49] <Cloudchaser> i dunno i was trying to find a blank spot i could drag it and finally a hand showed up
[01:49] <zido> luckily, i've only got 3 icons there
[01:49] <darkling> BROKEN_LADDER: Alternate Group.
[01:49] <Cloudchaser> now though, there's like 3 inches of blank bar on the left and eaverything else is squished to the right
[01:50] <zido> that's nice
[01:50] <Cloudchaser> no it isn't
[01:50] <mz2> cool, i just set up my Sempron 2400+ to work on it's correct ratio&fsb speed after running it with 1000 GHz for a few first weeks
[01:50] <brian__> umm i just noticed when i enabled the nvidia drivers that load dri and load glcore was not taken out that ok?
[01:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> ahh
[01:50] <mz2> feels like i've gotten a completely new computer :)
[01:50] <Cloudchaser> i don't know if its another panel ornot
[01:51] <Cloudchaser> i don't want to delete it and lose my whole top bar
[01:51] <Cloudchaser> i did that once on redhat and it was a huge pita to get it all back
[01:52] <andreas_> mz2: good for you ;)
[01:52] <jintonic> its not that hard to recreate it as long as you still have a panel there
[01:52] <jmob> Is it possible to get a chrooted 32bit firefox to call something outside of the chroot, the host of the chroot being a 64bit system?
[01:52] <mz2> and also got the sound issue resolved... for some reason snd-pcm-oss wasn't loaded on bootup anymore
[01:53] <hikaru79> I just upgraded to Hoary, and all of a sudden I can't get out of 640x480 resolution =( I don't think it's my video driver because I still get the "NVIDIA" splash screen on bootup -- any other ideas?
[01:53] <darkling> jmob: Not in any simple way that I can think of.
[01:53] <jmob> hikaru79: look at /var/log/xorg.0.log
[01:53] <jintonic> or maybe it is :-/
[01:53] <binReapr> when I install a package in synaptics the file stays in my hard drive right? the original package
[01:53] <jmob> darkling: :-(
[01:53] <poofpoof> WOOT!!! SOLDAT works with ubuntu and wine!!! this is soo cool!
[01:53] <poofpoof> thankyou :)
[01:54] <jmob> darkling: I tried bind mounting /usr into the chroot
[01:54] <zido> soldat?
[01:54] <poofpoof> yea I get you a link one sec...
[01:54] <zido> oki
[01:54] <poofpoof> the text is a bit messed up but game runs verrry fast
[01:54] <Prower> Hmm..I need to change the colour scheme for my terminal, white on black is hard to look at :>
[01:54] <jintonic> wine is pretty kickass
[01:54] <darkling> jmob: That'll contain 64-bit binaries, though, which won't run because there's no 64-bit libs (specifically libc6) in the chroot.
[01:55] <poofpoof> http://www.soldat.prv.pl/
[01:55] <poofpoof> very fun game
[01:55] <jmob> darkling: could I chroot isn't the chroot?
[01:55] <jmob> s/isn't/inside/
[01:55] <darkling> Umm... I don't know.
[01:56] <binReapr> where are all this files stored? which folder?
[01:56] <hikaru79> jmob, looking at it... what exactly am I looking for? ^ ^;;
[01:56] <jintonic> hmm... soldat looks like it could be pretty cool
[01:56] <jmob> hikaru79: looking at what?
[01:56] <darkling> jmob: I presume you're running a 32-bit firefox to get flash and other 32-bit plugins to work?
[01:56] <zido> poofpoof: i have to go to win to install it, then use wine or something?
[01:56] <hikaru79> jmob, you told me to look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> darkling: so to set the altgr key, i want to define it as the one that "switches group when pressed" in keyboard settings??
[01:57] <jmob> hikaru79: oh, right, look for stuff about resolutions
[01:57] <hikaru79> For my 640x480 resolution problem :S
[01:57] <poofpoof> no just type wine filename.exe
[01:57] <darkling> BROKEN_LADDER: I don't know. I never really got into writing keyboard maps.
[01:57] <jmob> darkling: yes
[01:57] <zido> okie
[01:57] <jmob> darkling: java, flash, mplayer
[01:57] <poofpoof> you can associate EXE files also (in kde i dont know about gnome)
[01:57] <jintonic> i'm sure you can
[01:58] <hikaru79> jmob, it seems my hsync is out of range =) I'll try fixing that and going at it again
[01:58] <poofpoof> I am very happy with ubuntu so far.
[01:58] <jintonic> me too
[01:58] <zido> crap, i dont have wine
[01:58] <darkling> jmob: You could use a 64-bit FF with a 64-bit Java, and ust put mplayer in the 32-bit chroot.
[01:58] <darkling> jmob: And nobody really needs flash anyway, do they? ;)
[01:58] <poofpoof> use synaptic to get wine
[01:58] <jmob> darkling: :(
[01:58] <zido> using apt-get
[01:58] <poofpoof> get wine and winconfig from synaptic
[01:58] <jintonic> zido: sudo apt-get install wine
[01:58] <darkling> Actually, there's an OSS player for some sorts of flash content.
[01:58] <jmob> darkling: I don't really, but it's just annoying
[01:59] <darkling> It's in Debian and preumably Ubuntu, but I can't remember the name.
[01:59] <jmob> darkling: I couldn't find a 64-bit java plug-in
[01:59] <darkling> There isn't one with Sun's AMD64 Java?
[01:59] <jmob> darkling: nope
[01:59] <darkling> Ah.
[02:00] <darkling> I have the AMD64 Java, but I never bothered to look for the plugins.
[02:00] <darkling> I just assumed that it existed
[02:00] <darkling> So... what are you trying to run in 64-bit mode from inside the chroot?
[02:01] <jmob> darkling: xpdf
[02:01] <hikaru79> Thanks, man! =)
[02:01] <hikaru79> I fixed the horiz refresh rate thing
[02:01] <hikaru79> And it worked like a charm ^_^
[02:01] <jmob> cool, np
[02:01] <jintonic> while installing soldat i get the error "Internal error: Failed to expand "group" constant"
[02:02] <hikaru79> jmob, how can I check if I'm runnin xorg or xfree86?
[02:02] <jmob> hikaru79: you're logs are named with Xorg so I"m pretty sure you're running it
[02:02] <jmob> hikaru79: but you can run ``X -version'' too
[02:03] <darkling> jmob: All I can suggest is actually trying your idea of the chroot inside the chroot, but it's a bit rococo...
[02:03] <hikaru79> It's xorg alright =)
[02:03] <jmob> > 'X' -version 2>&1|grep X.Org|head -1
[02:03] <jmob> This is a pre-release version of the The X.Org Foundation X11.
[02:04] <hikaru79> Yup ^_^ Worked
[02:04] <hikaru79> Thanks, jmob!
[02:04] <hikaru79> You've been a huge help today =)
[02:04] <jmob> darkling: I can chroot inside the chroot!
[02:04] <hikaru79> I've solved every problem that I encountered getting KDE 3.3.2 on Ubuntu
[02:04] <darkling> jmob: Interesting to know. :)
[02:04] <hikaru79> And now I can enjoy the fruits of my labour 8-)
[02:04] <jmob> eww kde
[02:04] <VR^> bloat!
[02:04] <binReapr> when I install a package in synaptics the file stays in my hard drive right? the original package
[02:05] <Riddell> binReapr: in /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:05] <poofpoof> in windows we have task manager to kill applications, in Linux what do we use?
[02:05] <skyrider> poofpoof: kill
[02:06] <poofpoof> any way with GUI?
[02:06] <Riddell> poofpoof: depends on window manager and desktop environment
[02:06] <jmob> poofpoof: Applications -> System Tools -> System Monitor
[02:06] <jmob> woops
[02:06] <Riddell> guess he managed to kill his IRC client :)
[02:06] <zido> lol
[02:06] <skyrider> xkill :)
[02:07] <jonmasters> Riddell: Happy new year Jon.
[02:07] <hikaru79> Hmm, this is strange. Before upgrading to hoary, I could get to Synaptic through KDE. Now that I've upgraded, it doesn't seem to work. Anyone know why this is?
[02:07] <zido> uhm, wine said it made "c" in my home directory, under /.wine/fake_windows
[02:08] <zido> but i can't find a .wine directory ?
[02:08] <hikaru79> zido, it's a hidden directory
[02:08] <Riddell> jonmasters: lang may yer lumb reek
[02:08] <hikaru79> If you're in Nautilus, go to "View--> Show hidden files"
[02:08] <zido> ah
[02:08] <hikaru79> Or just open a terminal and just 'cd .wine'
[02:08] <hikaru79> =)
[02:08] <poofpoof> LOL I just found out what control-alt backspace dose LMAO!
[02:08] <hikaru79> Poofpoof, the power of discovery ;)
[02:09] <poofpoof> yea looking for task manager like utility for KDE
[02:09] <jonmasters> Riddell: I'm possibly popping up to Scotland in the next few months btw - when are you next down here? Going to the FOSDEM?
[02:09] <poofpoof> I wanna kill appliocations from GUI :D
[02:09] <Riddell> hikaru79: it's because of the way the menus work, I'm afraid I've lost track of different menu instances
[02:09] <Beast> Is there no way to get some sort of accel with the generic nvidia GeForce4 MX drivers?
[02:09] <Riddell> hikaru79: but really you want ... kynaptic!  http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubuntu/kynaptic/
[02:09] <darkling> jonmasters: If I didn't know better how many mailing lists you were on, I'd say "fancy meeting you here"... :)
[02:09] <jmob> Beast: there's no way!
[02:09] <hikaru79> Riddell, thanks =)
[02:09] <Beast> not even 2D?
[02:10] <jonmasters> darkling: Over 100 mail listings and probably more than 30 IRC channels.
[02:10] <darkling> jonmasters: I know.
[02:10] <Beast> sucks
[02:10] <jonmasters> s/mail listings/mailing lists/
[02:10] <jonmasters> darkling: How's hugo?
[02:10] <Riddell> jonmasters: I should be going to FOSDEM, not sure how I'm getting there, possibly flying to amsterdam from edinburgh
[02:10] <jonmasters> Riddell: Cheaper than going by train to London!
[02:10] <jonmasters> :-)
[02:11] <darkling> jonmasters: I'm fine, thank you. How are you?
[02:11] <jonmasters> darkling: I nearly came to the meeting, but was otherwise occupied.
[02:11] <Tzigane> G'day =)
[02:11] <jonmasters> okish. Busy. Newly revived sense of energeticness.
[02:11] <darkling> So was I. I was asleep when Tony drove past my house. :)
[02:11] <Tzigane> You know, I always said nVidia make much better products than ATI...
[02:11] <jonmasters> I'm also spening much of February in the best place in the world.
[02:11] <jonmasters> (Ottawa)
[02:12] <jonmasters> If you go to OLS, you will also have this problem of having to go back.
[02:13] <Riddell> jonmasters: isn't OLS in the summer?
[02:14] <jonmasters> Yes.
[02:14] <jonmasters> I am going back because I like the place.
[02:14] <Tzigane> Has anyone seen a dialog like this in Hoary?: http://tzi.cjb.net/public/warning.jpg  ("Some panel items are no longer available")  - I get that message every time i log in...
[02:14] <jonmasters> A friend and I are driving down to Boston for LinuxWorld too :-)
[02:14] <jonmasters> evening Paul.
[02:14] <jonmasters> ...again.
[02:14] <hikaru79> Riddell, is 'kynaptic_cvs20041228.orig.tar.gz' the correct file to download from the link you posted? Because it's INSTALL file says to ./configure, but there doesn't seem to be a configure script in it o_O;
[02:16] <andreas_> i'm running 64bit, and tries to install libpng3, but i dont know the type of architecture i should search for
[02:16] <andreas_> that would say, i cant find any ubuntu sources for ubuntu to libpng
[02:17] <jmob> darkling: it works!
[02:17] <Riddell> hikaru79: it's a source package, if you use it you probably need all sort of build deps etc, I'll build a binary package for you
[02:17] <jmob> exec dchroot -c hoaryhost -d /usr/bin/xpdf $@
[02:18] <darkling> jmob: Glad it works, but... ewww.
[02:18] <jmob> darkling: yeah %)
[02:18] <andreas_> is the ia64 the same as amd64?
[02:18] <randabis-wireles> I'm back...hehe
[02:18] <andreas_> yfor packages
[02:18] <jmob> andreas_: no
[02:18] <randabis-wireles> went to the store and bought me a 40 oz
[02:19] <andreas_> so if iam stupid enough ti install libpng3 for ia64 on my amd64, i get fucked or?
[02:19] <jmob> andreas_: hopefully that would never happen
[02:19] <jmob> andreas_: because afaik there is no Ubuntu ia64 support
[02:19] <jonmasters> darkling: If I'm down in Winchester in the next couple of weeks I might mail you about meeting in Soton.
[02:20] <darkling> jonmasters: Sounds like an idea.
[02:20] <hikaru79> Riddell, thanks! =D
[02:20] <andreas_> so i should try?
[02:20] <Riddell> jonmasters: do you know anything about where people go on the friday evening before fosdem?
[02:20] <jmob> andreas_: Why?
[02:21] <jonmasters> Riddell: I have photos from the last time at http://photos.jonmasters.org/
[02:21] <jmob> andreas_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/teams/ia64 http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2004/05/msg00148.html
[02:21] <andreas_> iam trying to get cedega work, chroot and everything ;)
[02:21] <mjg59> Riddell: It's usually the excessively expensive tourist trap on the big square
[02:21] <jonmasters> Le Grand Place.
[02:21] <Riddell> jonmasters: that wasn't really what I ment :)  just wondering if the place JD is saying really would be happening and where to find confirmation
[02:22] <jmob> andreas_: bug TransGaming about building a 64 bit version
[02:22] <jonmasters> Where is JD talking about?
[02:22] <jonmasters> There's a meeting somewhere like Le Roy.
[02:22] <jonmasters> Or similar.
[02:22] <Riddell> jonmasters: Le Roi d'Espagne on the Grand Place
[02:22] <mjg59> Riddell: That's the normal place
[02:22] <jonmasters> Yeah, probably.
[02:22] <Riddell> so he didn't just make that up, good good
[02:23] <jonmasters> It's not too expensive. I've been there a few times now.
[02:23] <Riddell> jonmasters: Mind guys?
[02:23] <jonmasters> Even though I should be able to expense the trip :-)
[02:24] <jonmasters> Riddell: http://www.mind.be/ <--- usually offer some space.
[02:24] <jonmasters> Actually, I've been talking to them about what's happening this year. Drop me a line if you want me to explicitly tell you.
[02:25] <Riddell> jonmasters: KDE have booked a youth hostel and have a hacking space on saturday in a place used for training women in computing (in return we have to give a talk to all the ladies about free software) but it would be good to know what others are doing
[02:26] <jonmasters> Riddell: Oh cool. I'm sure there will be much going on.
[02:26] <fashions> excuse me but CD/DVD  Creator uses what as a directory to burn from? setting up xcdroast
[02:26] <jonmasters> Novotel is the oficial hotel for most FOSDEMS.
[02:26] <jonmasters> (argh. spelling.)
[02:26] <jonmasters> s/oficial/official/
[02:27] <Riddell> jonmasters: hotels are too expensive for the likes of us
[02:27] <Riddell> hikaru79: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubuntu/kynaptic/kynaptic_cvs20041228-1_i386.deb
[02:27] <hikaru79> Riddell, <3
[02:27] <jonmasters> Sure. I wasn't getting at that - what I was getting at is that there are often things in the lobby there.
[02:28] <sladen> Riddell: KDE seem much more organised than most
[02:28] <Riddell> jonmasters: oh groovy, what sort of things?
[02:28] <jonmasters> Last time I had a very late night drinking session with Justin in the lobby, then we hit the town until 03:00 or later. Which is unlike me.
[02:28] <jonmasters> Random hacking, free wifi.
[02:28] <jonmasters> (for given values of "free" if you are not staying there)
[02:30] <jonmasters> Google will do that.
[02:30] <Riddell> sladen: we have a guy doing good organising things
[02:30] <jonmasters> For any suitably sized community project, someone will organise stuff.
[02:31] <jonmasters> sladen: You and I need to co-ordinate travel at some point.
[02:31] <jonmasters> The question is though, is it a bug?
[02:32] <Riddell> jonmasters: according to the earth.li wiki page sladen has already bought his eurostar tickets (which would be a miracle)
[02:32] <bob2> he can't ride his bike down the chunnel?
[02:32] <jonmasters> Box at work ran out of disk space, dm got very happy on boot, no space to create device entries. Debian && Ubuntu should explicitly catch out of disk on boot and handle it with warnings IMO.
[02:32] <jonmasters> Riddell: He has free first class tickets.
[02:33] <bob2> jonmasters: device nodes aren't on / in ubuntu
[02:33] <jonmasters> No, but /lib is.
[02:33] <Riddell> bob2: last time he tried it they stopped us at the gates, it had to be folded up
[02:33] <jonmasters> So stuff like a depmod can nicely fail and make devices go walkies.
[02:33] <bob2> Riddell: haha
[02:34] <jonmasters> No modules could load because depmod trashed all the dependencies by truncating them badly.
[02:34] <bob2> I still remember getting on the tube with him and it
[02:34] <bob2> jonmasters: / full is one of those all-bets-are-off things in unix...how could a boot script predict how much space depmod will use?
[02:35] <jonmasters> The system should explicitly catch 0 blocks free and think "that aint gonna work".
[02:35] <jonmasters> bob2: It's actually very easy to get in that situation.
[02:35] <bob2> it does, and the kernel returns ENOSPACE to depmod
[02:35] <jonmasters> This was /var/log filling up over the holidays.
[02:35] <andreas_> damn i cant find a 64bit of libpng3
[02:36] <hikaru79> Riddell, Kynaptic working great =) Thanks!
[02:36] <codecaine> whats kynaptic?
[02:36] <jonmasters> But this isn't necessarily depmod's problem alone. I think the bootscripts should catch this too.
[02:36] <Riddell> hikaru79: cool, it misses a lot of features that synaptic has (plus it has a stupid name) but it's the best there is so far
[02:36] <jintonic> hmm... running the driver "radeon" on my radeon 9200se gave me ~40FPS on tuxracer, on the "fglrx" driver there's a bug in the FPS rate update, its radpidly switching between 166 and 200
[02:36] <Riddell> codecaine: can't you guess :)
[02:36] <codecaine> yeah thought so :)
[02:36] <bob2> andreas_: why do you need that specific version?
[02:37] <bob2> jonmasters: depmod does catch it.  you think every program that the init scripts run should return a value if the disk is full to tell the init scripts to print something?
[02:37] <codecaine> what's site for kynaptic?
[02:37] <Riddell> jonmasters: naw, it's a KDE frontend for synaptic
[02:37] <codecaine> y'all like kde better than gnome?
[02:38] <jonmasters> bob2: No. That's not what I was getting at. What I was getting at is that if the system has no free blocks at boot then it should be caught straight off with a big red warning.
[02:38] <Riddell> codecaine: yes
[02:38] <bob2> jonmasters: what if it has 1?  depmod still won't run.
[02:38] <hikaru79> Riddell, actually, scratch that, it's not working fine... it never actually installs any of the packages
[02:38] <hikaru79> Just says it does.
[02:38] <jintonic> i'd think the kind of people that like the ubuntu install are the kind that like gnome... minimalists...
[02:38] <hikaru79> But if you try to run it, it doesn't work, and if you go back into it, it says it's not installed
[02:38] <jonmasters> bob2: Then some suitable minimum to print a warning at. It doesn't have to do much more than that.
[02:38] <bob2> jonmasters: what's a sensible minimum?
[02:39] <Poof> ubuntu use alsa or oss?
[02:39] <bob2> Poof: alsa by default
[02:39] <jonmasters> bob2: Just a big warning "You have less than 5% free space on /".
[02:39] <codecaine> alsa
[02:39] <Poof> Thanks, I am going to try installing doom 3
[02:39] <codecaine> and oss seems
[02:39] <jonmasters> bob2: (going from the default reservation size)
[02:39] <Poof> I feel brave
[02:39] <andreas_> bob2:  apt-get install xbase-clients libpng3 python-gtk2 gtk2-engines-industrial
[02:39] <andreas_> because i try to make a chroot
[02:39] <bob2> andreas_: yes, but why do you want it?  what are you building?
[02:39] <andreas_> and install wines and other pure 32 bit
[02:40] <bob2> ah
[02:40] <jonmasters> It would have saved 10 minutes of hassle and people calling me if those who rebooted the box could have told me it said it was out of space.
[02:40] <jonmasters> But nobody had any idea what was wrong and gave me confused messages. This is not ease of use that we want.
[02:40] <sladen> Riddell: I don't know who altered the wiki page to imply that I have
[02:41] <sladen> jonmasters: Free tickets technically ran out on 31st December, I haven't found out whether I can use them yet, or when
[02:41] <jonmasters> Heck, RHEL goes too far in the other direction (tells you nicely that your hardware sucks) - but ubuntu could at least give a useful warning.
[02:41] <Riddell> hikaru79: works for me, what does the command line output for kynaptic say?
[02:42] <hikaru79> Riddell, it keeps giving this error:
[02:42] <hikaru79> QComboBox::setCurrentItem: (_viewsComboBox) Index 4 out of range
[02:42] <hikaru79> Like, 10 times
[02:42] <Riddell> hikaru79: must be because I build against KDE CVS it's not loading some library or other properly
[02:43] <Riddell> hikaru79: I'll rebuild in my hoary chroot
[02:44] <bob2> andreas_: erm...don't you want to make the chroot 32-bit then?
[02:44] <andreas_> eh yes
[02:45] <andreas_> bob2: http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[02:45] <bob2> so it doesn't matter if libpng3 on amd64 exists or not
[02:45] <andreas_> ;)
[02:45] <bob2> since you're getting the i386 version
[02:45] <andreas_> thanks bob2, *downloading 32bit*
[02:46] <bob2> thos instructions should have worked
[02:47] <andreas_> but just aquest...could somewhone please tell me how i just say su
[02:47] <andreas_> i hate sudo
[02:47] <Poof> there is fakeroot also
[02:48] <andreas_> Poof:  how?
[02:49] <bob2> fakeroot doesn't help
[02:49] <bob2> andreas_: do you know about 'sudo -s'?
[02:49] <andreas_> nope
[02:49] <andreas_> -s means?
[02:49] <bob2> look at the man page and/or try it
[02:49] <Riddell> sladen: if you havn't booked eurostar you should change http://wiki.earth.li/FOSDEM2005
[02:51] <jonmasters> sladen: Do you want to go for that 10:43?
[02:51] <jonmasters> (OOI - when did it become 10:43? It used to be 10:42.)
[02:54] <Riddell> hikaru79: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubuntu/kynaptic/kynaptic_cvs20041228-1_i386.deb
[02:55] <hikaru79> Thanks again, riddel :)
[02:55] <jonmasters> sladen: Have you considered using offlineimap btw?
[03:03] <cynic64> hello all
[03:03] <jonmasters> bob2: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5353
[03:06] <cynic64> has anyone in here installed monodevelop successfully?
[03:08] <Prower> Hello :> Does anyone know how I might be able to add nobiospnp to my boot options in grub?
[03:13] <Poof> I have a Pentium 4 processor, is there a diffrent kernel I need to use it?
[03:14] <bob2> no
[03:14] <bob2> you can use the -686 one if you like
[03:14] <jonmasters> Poof: You can use a Pentium 4 optimised kernel, but the stock one will work just fine.
[03:14] <Poof> will teh 686 kernel be faster for me?
[03:14] <bob2> possibly
[03:14] <jonmasters> Possibly.
[03:14] <jonmasters> lol
[03:14] <Poof> Thanks :)
[03:15] <jintonic> has anybody done stats on 2.6-386 vs 686 vs k7 kernel?
[03:15] <jonmasters> It's subjective and it's difficult to say whether it will really matter.
[03:15] <jonmasters> jintonic: I am sure they have, but I don't have a link.
[03:15] <Poof> I am going to be useing it for 3d rendering and content creation
[03:16] <jonmasters> jintonic: How would do that accurately though?
[03:16] <jonmasters> jintonic: Different hardware, different drivers, different kernel code paths.
[03:16] <jintonic> i'd think it wouldn't really matter on p4 but on k7 i'd expect 3dnow to speed things up a little <-- based on very little knowlege in the area of processors
[03:17] <jintonic> hrm, true
[03:18] <jonmasters> but often you can't use that anyway since anything that uses fpu registers is often out.
[03:18] <jonmasters> (FPU context isn't always preserved in kernelspace unless a task is actually switched out)
[03:18] <Poof> would apt-get dist-upgrade install the 686 kernel for me? looks like I already have some header files installed...
[03:19] <jonmasters> apt-get kernel-image-2.6.blah-686.
[03:19] <jonmasters> apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.blah-686.
[03:19] <jonmasters> even
[03:19] <jintonic> i don't think so, pretty sure it only stays with the latest version of the kernel type you have
[03:19] <poofpoof> Ok :) thanks
[03:20] <jonmasters> jintonic: huh?
[03:20] <jonmasters> oh right.
[03:20] <jonmasters> yeah. sorry, too much scrolling here and some lag.
[03:20] <bob2> poofpoof: no
[03:20] <bob2> it won't install it automatically
[03:21] <poofpoof> ok
[03:25] <poofpoof> Ok I am getting the 2.6.7-1ubuntu2 , hope this works :)
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> 2.6.7?
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> are you sure?
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> warty uses 2.6.8.1 and hoary is up to 2.6.10
[03:26] <poofpoof> 2.6.7-1686
[03:26] <poofpoof> 0o
[03:26] <jonmasters> poofpoof: 2.6.7 is a bad idea.
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> there is a linux-kernel-2.6-686 (or similar) package
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> that's a metapackage for the latest 2.6 kernel
[03:27] <jonmasters> Oh is there now? That's nice. I hadn't noticed that.
[03:27] <jonmasters> since when is that?
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> quite some time
[03:28] <poofpoof> ok wish me luck :)
[03:28] <jonmasters> I never use Debian kernels, only started using Ubuntu recently.
[03:29] <Poof> LOL! i hope I did not screw it up :)
[03:35] <ubuntuNewbie> hi all!
[03:38] <BrianB04> Evening all
[03:39] <ubuntuNewbie> Can anybody help me with something, Someone installed for me Ubuntu, and i want to change screen resolution but in the system setting it allows me choose only the resolution i allready have
[03:41] <ubuntuNewbie> oh, and i forgot to say I am using nv and not nvidia
[03:42] <Prower> Has anyone else noticed slower Internet transfer rates/pings in Ubuntu? :/ In Windows on the same machine, I get an average of 30k/s higher than in Ubuntu
[03:43] <pdkl> ubuntuNewbie, are you using XFree86 or Xorg ?
[03:43] <ubuntuNewbie> pdkl, Xorg
[03:44] <pdkl> Prower, no problem here, anything special installed?
[03:44] <BrianB04> I got a stupid question: How accurate is `top` in terms of memory usage?
[03:44] <pdkl> ubuntuNewbie, does your /etc/X11/xorg.conf have any other resolutions in it?
[03:45] <Prower> pdkl: Nope, just a regular install of Warty
[03:45] <pdkl> BrianB04, its read right from the procfs / sysfs
[03:46] <BrianB04> Cause man, it claims I'm eating 900 megs of memory right now
[03:46] <alebaba> i need some help using wine and mounting drives
[03:46] <pdkl> BrianB04, that mem used is your buffers too
[03:47] <jintonic> how can i do windows messenger (not the msn clone) with linux? (net send <ip> <msg> in xp cmd line)
[03:47] <alebaba> can anyone help
[03:47] <BrianB04> Also claiming I have less memory that I really do...
[03:47] <BrianB04> s/that/than
[03:47] <jonmasters> [gone] 
[03:47] <HrdwrBoB> BrianB04: you need to install the -686 kernel
[03:47] <jintonic> gnite jon
[03:47] <pdkl> do a free -m
[03:47] <HrdwrBoB> the normal kernel has an 800mb or so limit
[03:47] <sh0n> can you install Ubuntu via network?
[03:47] <sh0n> instead of the whole ISO?
[03:48] <sh0n> ie, net install?
[03:48] <ubuntuNewbie> pdkl, I have not file named xorg.conf under /etc/X11...
[03:48] <BrianB04> Yea, it's showing 885 megs, when I have a gig. How do I install the 686 kernel...and better yet, could I install a 686 + SMP kernel?:)
[03:48] <pdkl> ubuntuNewbie, then you don't have xorg installed
[03:49] <sh0n> n/m found it :)
[03:49] <pdkl> BrianB04, there is an app under system menu, called synaptic (spelling)
[03:49] <pdkl> you can find 686 kernel there
[03:50] <ubuntuNewbie> pdkl, but :  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  works for me...
[03:50] <BrianB04> There is a 686 smp...nice.
[03:51] <pdkl> I wonder where your Xorg is pulling the configuration file from
[03:51] <ubuntuNewbie> pdkl, I'd like to create a new default xorg.conf, but i don't know how...
[03:52] <BrianB04> I have to say, I had been using Mepis, but after installing Ubuntu, it did a much better job on the video config...which was nice...
[03:52] <kotau> hahahahahahahaha I've been trying to fix my audio all day.  My headphone dongle was muted ARGH
[03:52] <pdkl> ubuntuNewbie, xorgcfg
[03:53] <kotau> Happy... happpy.... Joy.... JOY!
[03:53] <pdkl> it puts it in your home directory (the xorg.conf)
[03:53] <pdkl> you have to manually move it to the /etc/X11 directory after you done tweaking it
[03:54] <poof> I am in a 3d gameing mood, any suggestions what to install?
[03:54] <poof> I got GLtron, totaly rocks on ubuntu :)
[03:54] <kotau> armagetron!
[03:54] <poof> ok I try that
[03:54] <kotau> I'll play with you
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> yeah net play armagetron
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> also enemy territory
[03:55] <kotau> whos in on it?
[03:55] <kotau> ET is on linux?
[03:55] <pdkl> frozen-bubble all the way!
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> ET has a native linux version
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> and it's free
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> you need a reasonably modern system but it's not exactly cutting edge
[03:55] <BrianB04> Also, UT2K4
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> ut2k4 not so free :)
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> but yes I have that
[03:56] <HrdwrBoB> and doom3, and worlds of warcraft
[03:56] <HrdwrBoB> and warcraft3
[03:56] <kotau> hey I bought ut2k4 for win can I install it on linux with the same disk?
[03:56] <HrdwrBoB> kotau: yes
[03:56] <kotau> sweet
[03:56] <poof> cool
[03:56] <HrdwrBoB> the installer is ont he Cd
[03:56] <HrdwrBoB> CD
[03:56] <poof> nice
[03:56] <ubuntuNewbie> pdkl, trying, rebooting, thanks
[03:56] <HrdwrBoB> linux as a gaming platform is pretty good these days
[03:57] <kotau> on the same cd as the win installer, fuckin awesome.  that's why it was a 6 disc install though
[03:57] <idge> hello...does anyone know how to set up a USB wireless network adapter?
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> kotau: linux doesn't use the 6th CD :)
[03:57] <poof> I might try Doom 3
[03:57] <BrianB04> poof: Ever play Doom 3?
[03:57] <kotau> hrdwrbob: what is it on the 6th cd that linux doesnt need?  Bloat?
[03:57] <poof> yeaon windows
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> kotau: ye! and directx
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> idge: it should autodetect it
[03:57] <BrianB04> Ah, alright. Love it to death, just hate the fact everything is dark
[03:58] <HrdwrBoB> then you can configure it
[03:58] <kotau> directx!  thats something I wont miss
[03:58] <pdkl> hmm
[03:58] <kotau> someone want to hook me up with a preowned copy of doom?  I can paypal
[03:58] <poof> I have direct X in wine :D
[03:58] <kotau> wait will wine play space empires IV?
[03:58] <BrianB04> I have one suggestion to Doom 3 dude, learn to use both hands at the same time. Carry the flashlight, and the gun...for crying out loud
[03:58] <idge> HrdwrBoB: it doesn't sutodetect
[03:59] <idge> it is a Linksys WUSB54G
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> idge: what does dmesg say after you have plugged it in
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> oh, it's a wireless usb card
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> kotau: nfi
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> kotau: I bought cedega for use with World of Warcraft
[03:59] <pdkl> BrianB04, haha.. yeah. i was like, your a marine, improvise and mount that damn flashlight on that gun
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> there are quite a few patches that add flashlights to the gun
[04:00] <idge> HrdwrBob: it does nothing...I am VERY new at Linux....can you help
[04:00] <BrianB04> Apparently, in the future, despite all the advancements, carrying a flashlight+gun will no longer work...we are all dead.
[04:00] <idge> ?
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> some done very well in a way that doesn't really diminish the game
[04:00] <pdkl> actually linux is a better multimedia OS thatn windows
[04:00] <pdkl> some videos just run ungodly slow on windows
[04:00] <poof> there is a conversion that is called Ductapr for doom 3, makes so some guns have lights on them
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> pdkl: yes butnot by dfault, because of patent issues
[04:00] <poof> Ductape
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> idge: when you plug it in, then run dmesg, can you put the contents of dmes on www.pastebin.com
[04:01] <pdkl> gstreamer-xine works for me
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> pdkl: yeah, but things like.. mp3
[04:01] <pdkl> heh
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> no distribution is shipping an mp3 (de/en)coder
[04:01] <BrianB04> Hmmm, well Ubuntu auto-configed my display for 1600x1280 at 85...could get used to this.
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> BrianB04: so it should
[04:02] <pdkl> I have a Mac G5 with Mac OS X 10.3.7 right next to my intel box (which only exists for the sole reason of games)
[04:02] <ubuntuNewbie> pdkl, Ok now i have this file xorg.conf
[04:02] <pdkl> :D
[04:02] <pdkl> ;-)
[04:02] <BrianB04> Mepis does it for 1024x768 for the wrong monitor....
[04:02] <Mischung> Hello. Trying to create boot cd to install Ubuntu on a newly built system. Created a boot cd in Roxio Creator 6. new system says disk boot failure.
[04:02] <idge> HrdwrBoB:i did the dmesg, it shows a BIG list of stuff....after that....i am lost!
[04:03] <Mischung> looking for suggestions to get this sucker to work.
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> idge: the last few lines will cover the usb device you just inserted
[04:03] <pdkl> Mischung, did you download the iso for ubuntu?
[04:03] <idge> ok
[04:03] <Mischung> Yes.
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> something like this:
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using address 4
[04:03] <ubuntuNewbie> pdkl, but still don't have any other resolutions in the system settings
 you have 2 hard disks? i got same error from installing a bootable partition on slave disk.... all bootable partitions on some systems must be on master disk
[04:04] <idge> HrdwrBob: it says:  usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 2
[04:04] <pdkl> ubuntuNewbie, add a few in the xorg.conf
[04:04] <idge> but i have no idea what to do now
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> idge: and anything after that
[04:04] <idge> no
[04:04] <poof> anyone know how to get shadows under windows in KDE or GNOME?
[04:04] <poof> dropshadow
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> poof: you dont' want it, trust me
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> it's a) slow as hell
 I have a dvd burner and hd, dvd burner is set as first master in bios
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> b) unstable
[04:05] <Riddell> poof: shadows under what?
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> Mischung: you should change it
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> Mischung: setup hdd as master
[04:05] <poof> yea I saw it on game knoppix... pretty neat :)
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> Mischung: the boot order will have a 'cdrom' select option
[04:05] <Mischung> HrdwrBob: I have cd set as 1st in boot order.
[04:06] <kebac> Mischung: do you have a DVD-drive?
[04:07] <Riddell> poof: you need xcomposite turned on, but it's slow
[04:07] <idge> HrdwrBob: That is all it has...do you know what else i can do to get it to work?
[04:07] <Mischung> kebac:  DVD burner
[04:07] <kebac> i had a DVD-drive from which my computer didn't want to boot
[04:07] <ubuntuNewbie> pdkl, Modes    "1800x1400" "1600x1200" "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" and I only have 640x480..
[04:07] <Mischung> kebac: suggestions for a work-around?
[04:07] <idge> i am also an ubuntu newbie!
[04:08] <ubuntuNewbie> pdkl, meant that in this file it shows all the resolutions above
[04:08] <poof> ok thanks, I have 256MB graphics card and 2 gigs of ram
[04:08] <kebac> Mischung: i didnt find any... i had to use my older CD-reader to boot...
[04:08] <Riddell> poof: http://www.kde.me.uk/index.php?page=x-6.8-xcomposite-howto  may help
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> idge: it's most likely not supported
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> idge: run lsusb
[04:08] <poof> Thanks, that is very nice of you :)
[04:08] <idge> what is that?
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> and give me the ouptu relating to the thing
[04:09] <idge> ok
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> poof: yes, I have a machine with high specs, if you want it to run like a p3-500, then run that :)
[04:09] <Mischung> kebac: did you get a 'boot failure' msg when trying to boot from dvd drive?
[04:09] <idge> HrdwrBob:  Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1915:2234
[04:09] <idge> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[04:09] <poof> it is a p4 1.6GHZ
[04:09] <ubuntuNewbie> idge, but i am a linux newbi too...
[04:10] <poof> WOW i had no idea that Ubuntu used Xorg :/
[04:10] <kebac> Mischung: it only moved on to the next boot device
[04:10] <idge> ubuntunewbie:  man...it took me forever to figure out what a "root terminal" was!!!
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> poof: hoary does, warty doesn't
[04:10] <poof> ok that explains it then :)
[04:10] <poof> Wings and blender need Xfree
[04:11] <poof> I was just thinking that they must work with Xorg now LOL!
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> idge: aha, you can use it using ndiswrapper
[04:11] <idge> i heard about the HrdwrBoB...but it TOTALY lost me (I am slow i guess!)
[04:12] <Mischung> kebac: gonna try the live cd to see if I can get Ubuntu to come up
[04:12] <idge> HrdwrBob:  can you help me through the ndiswrapper thing?
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> idge: hang on one sec
[04:12] <idge> ok cool
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> idge: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper/view?searchterm=ndiswrapper
[04:12] <kebac> Mischung: right... so you can boot from that DVD-drive?
[04:12] <idge> awsome
[04:13] <kebac> we've got flod here in finland
[04:13] <poof> must I have hoary to install gimp 2.2 from aptget?
[04:13] <kebac> sony_VHS: right
[04:13] <poof> apt-get
[04:14] <Mischung> kepac: BIOS says I can. Have 2min. left of the live cd download and about 3min to burn it to disc. Once I put live CD in drive and try to boot, should have that answer.
[04:14] <poof> gimp2.0 is lacking some very nice updates
[04:14] <kebac> Mischung: dont know about that...
[04:15] <kebac> Mischung: so it boots, but you get an error message? or doesn't it just boot?
[04:15] <ubuntuNewbie> Someone have an idea how make system setting let me choose the same resolutions that shown in xorg.conf?
[04:15] <Mischung> kebac: no boot. "DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER" is message.
[04:15] <Crane> hi
[04:16] <kebac> Mischung: i had the same...
[04:16] <kebac> Mischung: i thought it's because of this very old DVD-drive... from year 1996 or so
[04:17] <poof> how do i view porn clips in ubuntu? i cant seem to find Xine :/
[04:17] <Mischung> kebac: not old hdwre. maybe a year at the most. Just bought after xmas. Brand new.
[04:17] <kebac> that's some fine piece of hardware they did back then...
[04:17] <ubuntuNewbie> pdkl, still here?
[04:18] <kebac> poof: use mplayer
[04:18] <poof> Oh! ok lOL Thanks :)
[04:18] <kebac> wtf
[04:18] <poof> I should have guessed that
[04:19] <poof> Tahnks <kebac> :)
[04:19] <poof> thanks
[04:19] <Mischung> kebac: what if I burned ISO image to emulate boot from hd? Think that might workaround boot from DVD problem?
[04:19] <kebac> poof: you might also want to try 'gxine'
[04:19] <kebac> Mischung: i honestly dont know... sorry
[04:19] <ubuntuNewbie> so, can anybody help out? I have done some poking around and it appears that I have xorg.conf with resolutions, and yet, GNOME does not allow to choose other but 640x480
[04:19] <VR^> could anyone point me to a tutorial/howto about connecting a cable modem in ubuntu?
[04:19] <poof> Ok Thanks
[04:19] <kebac> poof: found already?
[04:20] <kebac> this linux stuff is just creepy
[04:20] <Mischung> kebac: appreciate the help. Will try the live cd and/or hd emulation and see what happens.
[04:21] <kebac> Mischung: if that drive doesnt support booting at all, then it's not of use...
[04:21] <poof> Cool i found Gxine , Thanks :)
[04:21] <kebac> poof: no problem :)
[04:22] <Mischung> kebac: wil review dvd manual as well, just to make sure.
[04:22] <kebac> Mischung: that might be a good idea :)
[04:23] <Prower> Hmm..seems that other people have mentioned slow ethernet problems on the message boards, but there hasn't been a solution mentioned that I can see :/
[04:25] <Prower> Out of curiousity, if you're building your own kernel, and you change an option and recompile it, should you run make clean first?
[04:25] <poof> woot  igot Xine now :)
[04:25] <Prower> (Before you recompile it, I mean)
[04:25] <randabis-wireles> uh oh
[04:26] <randabis-wireles> just updated to hoary
[04:26] <randabis-wireles> resolution is at 640x480, can't change it
[04:27] <ubuntuNewbie> randabis-wireles, I have the exact same problem...
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> what kinda chipset ...??
[04:27] <randabis-wireles> heh and since I'm on a laptop, it's not filling the whole screen
[04:28] <randabis-wireles> SMI something or other...integrated laptop video
[04:28] <ubuntuNewbie> randabis-wireles, I even checked /etc/X11/xorg.conf and it shows there all resolutions as if every thing is allright
[04:28] <ubuntuNewbie> randabis-wireles, yes me too, on Del Inspiron 8200
[04:28] <poof> hooray! I have Steaming Porn in linux! I will never go back to windows now!!
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> wow
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> steaming
[04:29] <poof> LOL!
[04:29] <poof> streaming
[04:30] <randabis-wireles> hooray for boobies
[04:30] <poof> indeed
[04:30] <ubuntuNewbie> poof, HrdwrBoB , very funny indeed!
[04:30] <lukins> ubuntuNewbie, have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:31] <nomasteryoda> ubunutNewbie, randabis-wireles you surely have the intel chipset?
[04:31] <nomasteryoda> i810 or similar
[04:31] <ubuntuNewbie> lukins, yes, and it didn't even offer me any resolutions issues at all
[04:32] <randabis-wireles> lol what's 4mb in kb
[04:32] <nomasteryoda> ~4000
[04:32] <ubuntuNewbie> nomasteryoda, sure I Have the i810 chipset, plus a nVidia geforec 2 card
[04:32] <randabis-wireles> I know that...kinda want to get exactness
[04:33] <Mabus> 4096
[04:33] <randabis-wireles> ty
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> argh... I have the Dell D505 with the intel chipset... i855
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> i had to tweak it to make my suse work
[04:33] <ubuntuNewbie> nomasteryoda, you also have this problem?
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> but i have steaming 1400x1050
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> had
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> and fixed my synaptics / alps touchpad with a driver install
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> build
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> i have click, drag, scroll-middlemouse-rightmouse
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> all on the pad
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> if you have the nvidia chipset, did you try the nvidia drivers?
[04:36] <ubuntuNewbie> nomasteryoda, no because I want suspend to work...
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> ah
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> yea
[04:36] <ubuntuNewbie> nomasteryoda, and the nvidia driver is not ACPI aware
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> kinda odd, my acpi works fine on my desktop system
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> with nvidia
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> also suse
[04:37] <lukins> ubuntuNewbie, one of the things i tried was to copy a knoppix xconfig file to ubuntu, which worked
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> but if you have the i810 chipset, check the intel site for drivers
[04:38] <MasterFox> Could someone help me with an issue with a Sony DVD/CD-R/CD-RW isuue?
[04:38] <poof> ubuntuNewbie use games knoppix for best video drivers :) that is coool trick :)
[04:39] <MasterFox> It's basically this. The CD Drive works fine except it will not write nor Play DVD. Works fine under Windows so it's not the hardware.
[04:41] <MasterFox> Device Manager shows it as a Sony CD-RW CRX320E
[04:41] <lukins> masterfox go to ubuntuguide.org to find out how to play dvds
[04:41] <MasterFox> That is not the issue per se, lukins. I have all the libs and software for DVD playback
[04:41] <VR^> how do i setup my toshiba pcx2500 modem with ubuntu?
[04:42] <VR^> (ethernet)
[04:43] <randabis-wireles> heh
[04:43] <randabis-wireles> we I reconfigured xorg
[04:43] <randabis-wireles> we'll see
[04:44] <poof> I installed XFCE and enlightenment, but when I re-boot i cant see them in session thing :/
[04:44] <poof> only iceWM shows up
[04:46] <MasterFox> Mplayer (GUI) gives me Couldn't open DVD Device: /dev/dvd
[04:46] <poof> try XINE :)
[04:46] <sobralense> MasterFox, you're funny
[04:46] <MasterFox> Same with Ogle
[04:46] <sobralense> maskie, lets try something
[04:46] <sobralense> ops
[04:46] <sobralense> MasterFox, lets try ..
[04:46] <lukins> MasterFox,  did you create a link to dev/dvd like ubuntuguide explains
[04:46] <sobralense> MasterFox, sudo ln -s /dev/dvd /dev/hdc
[04:46] <Prower> Has anyone here compiled and installed their own kernel? :>
[04:47] <sobralense> MasterFox, if your cdrom driver ir /dev/hdc ...
[04:47] <sobralense> lukins, his learning now.. learn even "how to learn" =)
[04:47] <MasterFox> yes. however there is the other issue as well
[04:48] <MasterFox> It will not burn CDs also
[04:48] <poof> anyone know how to make Xfce show up in the session menu?
[04:49] <sobralense> MasterFox, do you know where your cdrom?
[04:49] <sobralense> MasterFox, /dev/hdc, or what ?
[04:49] <MasterFox> Yes it is
[04:50] <MasterFox> sorry, was in another channel as well
[04:50] <sobralense> =] 
[04:54] <randabis-wireles> sorry, but our princess is in another castle
[04:54] <Mischung> kebac: found solution. Was using wrong burn process in Roxio.burning disc at once was the trick. Live CD is currently loading on new system!!!!! *jumps for joy*
[04:56] <MasterFox> Ok, now for the burning issue.
[04:57] <MasterFox> Nautilis's CD burner gives me a rash of errors
[04:58] <randabis-wireles> hey
[04:58] <randabis-wireles> I'm getting an error with my dist-upgrade
[04:58] <randabis-wireles> I'm on hoary
[04:58] <randabis-wireles> here's the error
[04:58] <randabis-wireles> Unpacking replacement kdelibs-data ...
[04:58] <randabis-wireles> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.3.2-1ubuntu3_all.deb (--unpack):
[04:58] <randabis-wireles>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/mimelnk/application/vnd.stardivision.calc.desktop', which is also in package openoffice.org-mimelnk
[04:58] <randabis-wireles> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[04:58] <randabis-wireles> any ideas?
[04:59] <Riddell> randabis-wireles: it's a beastie, I'll make a report on buzilla, thanks for reminding me
[04:59] <Riddell> randabis-wireles: in the mean time do   dpkg --install --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.3.2-1ubuntu3_all.deb
[04:59] <randabis-wireles> okay
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> ouch
[05:04] <sobralense> Riddell, I think because ubuntu comes with gnome (and some prefer like this) gnome from hoary is more stable than kde..
[05:04] <randabis-wireles> cool
[05:04] <randabis-wireles> worked now
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu is built with gnome
[05:05] <Crane> hmm..
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> KDE happens to be available
[05:05] <randabis-wireles> i just had kdelibs for kdevelop
[05:05] <Crane> I'm installing Hoary on a test computer right now
[05:05] <Keybuk> please, PEOPLE, --force-overwrite
[05:05] <Crane> anything I should look out for?
[05:05] <sobralense> randabis-wireles, keep using hoary, there are erros, but you can help being more stable.. ;)
[05:06] <randabis-wireles> yeah
[05:06] <daniels> Keybuk: else you lose your /usr/sbin :P
[05:06] <randabis-wireles> as long as I get this initial crap sorted out I'll be happy to continue with hoary
[05:06] <sobralense> ehhee
[05:06] <sobralense> randabis-wireles, what is your wireless device module?
[05:07] <Crane> OK it's installed but I have terminal only?
[05:07] <Crane> I tried startx but no luck
[05:08] <sobralense> CraHan, ?
[05:08] <sobralense> x didnt started?
[05:09] <Crane> nope
[05:09] <randabis-wireles> it's loaded with driverloader
[05:09] <randabis-wireles> so the module is driverloader
[05:09] <Crane> that was startx command
[05:09] <randabis-wireles> I'm probably doing to switch to ndiswrapper on my new hoary kernel
[05:10] <Crane> what about /etc/init.d/gdm start?
[05:10] <Crane> is that the right command?
[05:11] <sobralense> CraHan, yes
[05:11] <sobralense> it should be..
[05:12] <sobralense> CraHan, already tried to configure your X by hand?
[05:12] <sobralense> xf86config ...
[05:12] <sobralense> eheh, there was a time linux users should do this. =P
[05:12] <randabis-wireles> lol
[05:13] <randabis-wireles> I've done it by hand more than once :p
[05:13] <sobralense> unix in general, sorry, whatherver comes with X server
[05:13] <Crane> well that was my intention but there is no X11 file at all
[05:14] <sobralense> randabis-wireles,  =)  I always had a monster in place of a computer.. and always had to do things/tweaks to get linux working here.
[05:14] <Crane> has something changed in hoary I don't know about?
[05:15] <randabis-wireles> x.org but you probably knew that
[05:16] <sobralense> CraHan, hoary should use python 2.4, xorg (warty is xfree)
[05:16] <drew> is there any way to put linux in 'standby' mode?
[05:16] <sobralense> oh.. another "Cr" =P
[05:16] <sobralense> Crane, , hoary should use python 2.4, xorg (warty is xfree)
[05:16] <sobralense> =)
[05:16] <randabis-wireles> tab completion > all
[05:17] <sobralense> drew, I dont know one way.. even windows I dont put on this mode..
[05:17] <randabis-wireles> doesn't it have to do with acpi/apm?
[05:17] <bob2> yes
[05:17] <bob2> drew: wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting
[05:17] <Crane> sobralense,  shouldn't there be an X11 file --> /etc/X11
[05:17] <sobralense> randabis-wireles, I use tab, but gone another name =] 
[05:18] <randabis-wireles> no that's a directory
[05:18] <drew> thanks
[05:18] <Crane> sorry X11 directory
[05:18] <Crane> sorry shouldn't there be an X11 file --> /etc/X11
[05:18] <randabis-wireles> yes, there should be an x11 directory I believe
[05:18] <Crane> mine ran away
[05:18] <Crane> lol
[05:19] <randabis-wireles> maybe your dist-upgrade didn't finish?
[05:19] <sobralense> Crane, sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[05:20] <randabis-wireles> heh this 640x480 is annoying
[05:20] <randabis-wireles> hopefully my reconfigure fixed it
[05:20] <codecaine> it's easy
[05:20] <randabis-wireles> gotta finish this dist-upgrade first
[05:20] <codecaine> randabis-wireles, you know how to fix?
[05:21] <randabis-wireles> I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:21] <codecaine> and chose a new resolution?
[05:21] <Crane> hmmmmmm
[05:21] <codecaine> was your resolution in there?
[05:21] <Crane> ls /etc/x11
[05:21] <randabis-wireles> my resolutions were already there
[05:21] <Crane> no such file
[05:21] <codecaine> good
[05:21] <codecaine> its /etc/X11
[05:22] <randabis-wireles> I think the wrong module was loaded though
[05:22] <randabis-wireles> changed it to what I think is the right one
[05:22] <Crane> ls /etc/X11
[05:22] <Crane> no such file
[05:22] <randabis-wireles> what about /etc/X11/?
[05:22] <Crane> It's just not there
[05:22] <codecaine> you definately should have /etc/X11
[05:22] <randabis-wireles> cd /etc/X11/?
[05:22] <Crane> nope
[05:23] <randabis-wireles> hmm
[05:23] <codecaine> you running x-windows?
[05:23] <randabis-wireles> maybe your dist-upgrade didn't finish
[05:23] <randabis-wireles> that's all I can think of
[05:23] <Crane> didn't upgrade
[05:23] <Crane> I used nightly build
[05:23] <randabis-wireles> ah
[05:23] <randabis-wireles> iso?
[05:23] <Crane> I'm going to try reinstalling
[05:23] <codecaine> agh that's why
[05:23] <Crane> yep
[05:23] <codecaine> Crane
[05:23] <randabis-wireles> yeah
[05:24] <codecaine> no don't reinstall
[05:24] <codecaine> it's the ISO
[05:24] <bretzel> HI randabis !
[05:24] <Crane> codecaine, OK
[05:24] <randabis-wireles> howdy bretzel
[05:24] <Crane> bad ISO?
[05:24] <codecaine> crane, install warty then upgrade to hoary
[05:24] <codecaine> ISO is still buggy
[05:24] <randabis-wireles> I dove into the great beyond that is hoary
[05:24] <Crane> cool, I can do that
[05:24] <Crane> thanks
[05:24] <codecaine> yeah it works great
[05:24] <codecaine> read the release notes on ubuntulinux.org wiki
[05:24] <mkerby> Hi, everyone
[05:24] <bretzel> randabis: No luck for me doing 2.6.10 :-) I am sure I am missing stuff on the process
[05:25] <codecaine> gotta remove xfree86 and portmap
[05:25] <randabis-wireles> we'll see...hopefully my dist-upgrade finishes this time
[05:25] <randabis-wireles> shit
[05:25] <randabis-wireles> another error
[05:25] <codecaine> bretzel, what's problem?
[05:25] <Crane> OK thanks
[05:25] <codecaine> randabis-wireles, what error?
[05:25] <Crane> going to install
[05:26] <codecaine> good luck
[05:26] <bretzel> "kernel panic no VFS: can't find any filesystem" hahaha
[05:26] <bretzel> oops mixed typo errors;;;
[05:26] <bob2> you're buliding your own kernel?
[05:26] <randabis-wireles> seems that things are being updated in the wrong order and thus causing dependency errors
[05:26] <randabis-wireles> bretzel, did you make an initrd?
[05:26] <randabis-wireles> if not, that's probably your problem
[05:27] <bretzel> no inird, bob2: yes but I am missing steps it seems
[05:27] <bob2> you don't need an initrd
[05:27] <bob2> you need to compile your IDE/SCSI driver, and your root filesystem driver IN the kernel
[05:27] <bob2> not as modules
[05:27] <randabis-wireles> you do if you don't compile your ide/file system into your kernel
[05:28] <randabis-wireles> a quick solution without having to compile again would be
[05:28] <bretzel> That is what I cared to be sure IDE was builtin
[05:28] <randabis-wireles> mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.10 2.6.10
[05:28] <randabis-wireles> then make sure you update menu.lst
[05:28] <randabis-wireles> you'd add an initrd below the kernel line
[05:28] <bob2> bretzel: you forgot one or the other, try aain
[05:29] <randabis-wireles> initrd        /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10
[05:29] <randabis-wireles> but anyway, back to my error
[05:29] <bretzel> bob2, randabis: what if I get the config from 2.6.8 and loadit in menuconfig ?
[05:30] <sobralense> I wish could exist some howto to get those "desktop" things of.. kinda: gdm, gnome, hotplug , etc..
[05:30] <bretzel> so add IDE support
[05:30] <bob2> bretzel: the ubuntu one?  that won't work, it needs an initrd.
[05:30] <randabis-wireles> this is one of the errors, there were multiple ones
[05:30] <randabis-wireles> Setting up lsb-release (1.4-7.1ubuntu6) ...
[05:30] <randabis-wireles> Installing new version of config file /etc/lsb-release ...
[05:30] <randabis-wireles> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of lsb:
[05:30] <randabis-wireles>  lsb depends on exim4 | mail-transport-agent; however:
[05:30] <randabis-wireles>   Package exim4 is not installed.
[05:30] <bob2> sobralense: what are you trying to do?
[05:30] <randabis-wireles>   Package mail-transport-agent is not installed.
[05:30] <randabis-wireles>   Package postfix which provides mail-transport-agent is not configured yet.dpkg: error processing lsb (--configure):
[05:30] <randabis-wireles>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[05:30] <bob2> randabis-wireles: please don't paste in here
[05:30] <bob2> please please please
[05:31] <bob2> bretzel: also, 2.6.10 is in hoary already, why don't you just use that?
[05:31] <randabis-wireles> sorry, just trying to get some friggin' help
[05:31] <sobralense> bob2, removing these things and back the time to get only blackbox , X , gkrellm running =)
[05:31] <bob2> randabis-wireles: that's fine, but don't flood the channel...use #flood
[05:31] <randabis-wireles> well, so far my hoary upgrade is going shitty so I dunno
[05:32] <bretzel> Randabis: I feel sorry for your bad hoary upgrade: I tried and ended up with totally screwed XWindow with two servers versions starting in conflict
[05:32] <bob2> randabis-wireles: has anyone else filed a bug?
[05:32] <randabis-wireles> don't know
[05:32] <bob2> go check
[05:32] <bob2> sobralense: just uninstall them
[05:33] <randabis-wireles> I guess I can, but again it's difficult navigating things at this resolution because it's a laptop and 640x480 only fills a small portion of the whole screen
[05:33] <bretzel> Xorg vs XFree86 war begins :-) ( joke )
[05:33] <bob2> randabis-wireles: nvidia?
[05:33] <randabis-wireles> no
[05:33] <randabis-wireles> smi
[05:34] <sobralense> bob2, well, I tried that ... some packages that I want gonna away too . =)
[05:34] <randabis-wireles> can't check...firefox don't work...let me see if I still have links
[05:34] <randabis-wireles> nope
[05:34] <randabis-wireles> no links either
[05:34] <sobralense> bob2, uninstalled cups and libcups ... but gv/gs gonna too
[05:35] <bob2> sobralense: right
[05:35] <bob2> since it uses it for printing
[05:35] <bob2> randabis-wireles: lynx
[05:35] <randabis-wireles> at least I can still apt-get
[05:35] <randabis-wireles> there's a links as well
[05:36] <JDahl> randabis-wireles, go to console and use aptitude... what is it with you kids and synaptic?
[05:36] <randabis-wireles> I'm not using synaptic dammit
[05:36] <sobralense> bob2, but I dont wanna print.. just read my ghostscripts and pdf's
[05:36] <sobralense> =P
[05:37] <randabis-wireles> don't insult me
[05:37] <JDahl> randabis-wireles, I am not... maybe I didnt catch all then, what's the problem?
[05:37] <sobralense> I dont have a print.. and hate mine (Xerox docuprint that doesnt have support even on XP )
[05:37] <bretzel> initrd done ; thanks randabis; bob2 for your advices... testing ... cy a
[05:38] <randabis-wireles> anyway, errors in postfix, mailx, mutt, anacron, popularity-contest, postfix-tls, ubuntu-base, and lsb
[05:38] <bob2> randabis-wireles: when doing what?
[05:38] <randabis-wireles> dist-upgrade
[05:38] <stuNNed> is there a backported 2.6.9 or 2.6.10 kernel for warty?  or where i can get the set of ubuntu patches for vanilla 2.6.9?
[05:39] <randabis-wireles> if there are, they would be in the backports repository
[05:39] <bob2> stuNNed: just get it from hoary.  or use matt's 2.6.9
[05:39] <StolenShoeBox> can anyone help me getting half life 2 running with cedega?
[05:39] <stuNNed> bob2, matt's?  url plz
[05:39] <stuNNed> bob2, i need for modem support on laptop :(
[05:40] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu/com/PMTesting
[05:40] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: #cedega
[05:40] <bob2> don't they provide support to paying customers?
[05:40] <bob2> and I'd be really careful using the 'backport repository'.
[05:40] <stuNNed> bob2, that url doesn't work i don't think, is that shorthand? :)
[05:41] <StolenShoeBox> bob2: ya to paying customers ;)
[05:41] <randabis-wireles> grr
[05:42] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: then #cedga, this is even les a warez channel than it is a winex support one
[05:42] <bob2> st	.com. obviously
[05:42] <StolenShoeBox> bob2: atleast I have a legit copy of half life 2
[05:43] <bob2> ok.
[05:43] <Agrajag> so?
[05:43] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: .com, obviously
[05:43] <Agrajag> how is stealing one pice of software instead of two better?
[05:43] <bob2> bah, stuNNed
[05:43] <Agrajag> unless you're using CVS
[05:44] <randabis-wireles> where do you find the bug reports you spoke of bob?
[05:44] <bob2> randabis-wireles: bugzilla.ubunt.com
[05:44] <gpled> is their an scp gui program for x?
[05:44] <bob2> er, spelt correctly
[05:44] <bob2> nautilus can do sftp
[05:44] <Agrajag> so can gftp I think
[05:45] <JDahl> gpled, considered using rsync?
[05:45] <Prower> Hello :> When you're compiling a kernel by hand, how do you specify that you want an initrd made?
[05:45] <Agrajag> you have to make one yourself
[05:45] <gpled> JDahl: looking for something like gftp, but that does scp
[05:45] <Agrajag> mkinitrd is the program I think
[05:45] <zenwhen> yes
[05:46] <Agrajag> I never bother with initrds though
[05:46] <zenwhen> Nor do I
[05:46] <randabis-wireles> in your make-kpkg you can specify --initrd
[05:46] <stuNNed> bob2, found it thanks, sorry about that, dang :)
[05:46] <Prower> Agrajag: I wouldn't either normally, but I'm afraid I'll miss something in the configuration that should be static rather than a module
[05:46] <zenwhen> I make sure anything needed to boot is in the kernel
[05:46] <bob2> Prower: it's a huge pain in the arse, don't bother
[05:47] <Agrajag> Prower: all you really need usually is the IDE driver and FS driver
[05:47] <gpled> hmm, sounds like gftp might do it.  supports ssh.
[05:47] <bob2> Prower: use an ubuntu kernel or carefully bulid your ide/scsi and root filesystem in to the kernel
[05:47] <JDahl> gpled, I understand.. what I meant is, rsync uses ssh and is pretty advanced (if you dont mind CLI)
[05:47] <Prower> Agrajag: Hmm..well, I guess I'll have to check it out :>
[05:48] <Prower> bob2: Currently I'm using an Ubuntu kernel, but it has bandwidth limiting and QoS built in..I suspect that's been slowing my connection speed down, so I was trying to figure out how to disable it
[05:48] <zenwhen> I screwed up over and over when I was first trying to build my own kernel. Once you get it done, life is good. I still cant build 2.6.10 andmake it work with Ubuntu's automount magic.
[05:48] <sladen> Prower: ummm.  unlikely.   Unless you've /told/ it to slow your connection down!
[05:48] <bob2> Prower: no, it's realy not
[05:49] <JDahl> gpled, and saves your bandwidth (big time) if you're frequently synchronizing dirs
[05:49] <bob2> Prower: they're modules, afaik, and they don't do anything unless they're specially configured
[05:49] <bob2> and you don't accidentally learn how to use tc ;)
[05:49] <sladen> JDahl: and more if you use compression and rsync
[05:49] <Prower> bob2: Well that's odd :/ In all the games that I've tried I'm getting much slower ping rates on the same machine than I do in Windows
[05:49] <Prower> I haven't specifically told it to use it, that was just a theory
[05:49] <stuNNed> bob2, whoa, hopefully xorg won't eat cpu like w/hoary and 2.6.9 :|
[05:49] <randabis-wireles> I can't find anything relevent to help me bob
[05:50] <stuNNed> bob2, with matt's 2.6.9 and warty
[05:50] <bob2> stuNNed: turn off composite!
[05:50] <randabis-wireles> this sucks :/
[05:50] <sladen> Prower: it's normally the latter.  Do you have any specific example you can test with?
[05:50] <bob2> randabis-wireles: well, I haven't heard of that happening to anyone else
[05:50] <randabis-wireles> knew I shouldn't of gone hoary
[05:50] <stuNNed> bob2, composite is turned on by default?
[05:50] <bob2> stuNNed: nah
[05:50] <stuNNed> bob2, then it must be something else
[05:50] <bob2> randabis-wireles: paste your /etc/apt/sources.listto #flood
[05:50] <Prower> sladen: Hmm...well, none that aren't subjective :/ Like I can't ask people to check their ping to a certain Doom3 server, because everyone's is going to be different
[05:51] <Prower> I can say that I used to play on below-100 ping servers only, though, and now those same servers are never below 130+
[05:52] <sladen> Prower: this is probaby likely to do with more people using them
[05:52] <Prower> sladen: That's what I thought as well, initially, so I booted into Windows to check...on the same server list the pings were consistently lower, sometimes by up to 50ms
[05:53] <randabis-wireles> pasred
[05:53] <randabis-wireles> pasted
[05:53] <sladen> Prower: nod.  What do the command line 'ping' programs give you under linux/windows to that server?
[05:54] <sladen> Prower: how are you connecting to the internet?
[05:54] <sladen> Prower: modem, dsl, cable-modem, wifi?
[05:55] <randabis-wireles> ...
[05:56] <Prower> sladen: Sorry for the delay, I'm connected to the Internet via cable modem...ping packets are blocked, though, so I can't actually use a normal ping program to test it :>
[05:57] <Prower> Although..I'm tracerouting to Google now, and it looks like it's getting a bit bogged down somewhere along the line...so maybe it's a problem somewhere between me and the servers
[05:59] <randabis-wireles> did you see the stuff I pasted bob?
[05:59] <sladen> Prower: can you apt-get install  echoping  and use something like  echoping -u your.quake.server
[06:00] <Prower> sladen: Hmm...sure, I could try that :>
[06:00] <sladen> Prower:  -d your.quake.server
[06:01] <sladen> Prower: it has various non-ICMP ways of doing pings.  Remember that if you're doing traceroutes, answering your traceroute packet is the last thing on an internet router's mind, as it has better things to do (like routeing packets)
[06:01] <Prower> Oh, by the way...I noticed this popping up in dmesg more than a few times: APIC error on CPU0: 60(60)
[06:03] <sladen> Prower: cat you  cat /proc/interrupts  onto #flood
[06:03] <Prower> Certainly, one second :>
[06:04] <stuNNed> bob2, i could use some help with https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PMTesting just a quick ques
[06:05] <bob2> best to just ask qeustions instead of asking to ask
[06:05] <stuNNed> ok
[06:05] <sladen> stuNNed: then ask it!
[06:05] <idge> i have a dual PIII 550 machine...what package do i need for smp?
[06:05] <stuNNed> do i uncomment the kopt line or leave it '# kopt ..' and when i update-grub either way it goes back to way it was
[06:05] <idge> my system only sees on e proc
[06:05] <bob2> -686-smp
[06:06] <idge> bob2: what is the full name?
[06:06] <sladen> idge: linux-image-*-686-smp
[06:06] <stuNNed> just uncomment and leave as is?
[06:06] <stuNNed> i mean uncomment and put options
[06:06] <stuNNed> and don't run grub-update?
[06:06] <sladen> idge: apt-get install linux-image  and show you a list.  install the latest one
[06:07] <idge> sladen and bob2: it looks like i have that already but i still only see one proc
[06:07] <idge> sladen: ok
[06:07] <bob2> stuNNed: erm?
[06:07] <bob2> idge: what does 'uname -r' print out?
[06:08] <stuNNed> bob2, i'm unsure how to set the kopt line when i run update-grub it goes back to default
[06:08] <idge> bob2:  it says:  2.6.8.1-4-686-smp
[06:08] <bob2> idge: then look at /proc/cpuinfo
[06:09] <bob2> stuNNed: you change nothing at all in that file except to add resume=... to the end of the *commented* line
[06:09] <idge> how do i do that?
[06:09] <sladen> stuNNed: leave it as   # kopt ...   and run  sudo update-grub  after
[06:09] <bob2> idge: 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' in a terminaml
[06:09] <romulo> does work use debian repository on ubuntu?
[06:09] <stuNNed> sladen, bob2: when i do then check menu.lst after it's back to default is that normal?
[06:10] <sladen> romulo: no.  use  ubuntu universe  and  ubuntu multiverse
[06:10] <romulo> ok
[06:10] <idge> bob2: it shows a bunch of stuff....what am i looking for?
[06:10] <bob2> idge: the fact that it shows two cpus
[06:10] <sladen> stuNNed: change the 'default =' line if you want a different kernel default
[06:11] <dtradd> Hi everyone
[06:11] <bob2> stuNNed: you kept it commented out and ran 'grub-install', right?
[06:11] <Prower> Well that's rather bizarre :>
[06:11] <idge> it just says stuff for cpu0
[06:11] <Prower> I disabled apic in Grub, and both of my problems resolved themselves
[06:11] <stuNNed> bob2, yes, then afterwards menu.lst is back the way it was before editing
[06:11] <sladen> bob2: update-grub  not grub-install
[06:11] <idge> bob2: it just says stuff for cpu0
[06:11] <bob2> er, right
[06:11] <sladen> Prower: good ping times?
[06:11] <Mischung> Anyone know what the BIOS bug 8254 is?
[06:11] <bob2> idge: that's odd
[06:11] <dtradd> Is it worth to change warty repositories to hoary? The point is that I heard that under Hoary, there's better support for ATI 340M video card
[06:11] <romulo> sladen, where i can find those repositories
[06:12] <Prower> sladen: They've improved by about 60ms on average, definitely a big surprise
[06:12] <bob2> dtradd: not unless yyou can handle things breaking
[06:12] <idge> bob2: well....i was trying to do an ndiswrapper thing earlier...thats when everything went bad with the smp
[06:12] <sladen> romulo: edit /etc/apt/sources and uncomment them
[06:12] <bob2> idge: ouch
[06:12] <dtradd> bob2: I understand that hoary is too unstable right now?
[06:12] <bob2> idge: does ndiswrapper work on smp?
[06:13] <idge> aparently not!
[06:13] <Gwildor> hello
[06:13] <bob2> dtradd: not too bad, but things can and will break, and may require manual intervention to fix
[06:13] <JDahl> hi
[06:13] <idge> bob2: i am gonna get rid of the ndiswrapper and see what happens
[06:13] <Gwildor> anyone had any expierience with ubuntu on a 333mghz with 128MB of ram?
[06:13] <dtradd> bob2: I see, do you know when the next release will be out as stable product?
[06:13] <romulo> sladen, ive done but cant find things like mplayer on it
[06:13] <bob2> dtradd: april 15th
[06:13] <stuNNed> bob2, that is odd, if a leave '#' before it, it still takes?
[06:14] <bob2> stuNNed: yes
[06:14] <bob2> Gwildor: gnome will be slow but usable
[06:14] <sladen> Prower: groovy, now lets try not to loose the workaround for your machine, can you  file a bug on  bugzilla.ubuntu.com  saying that you have ping problems and solves it by enbling  noapic  and also post the output of  dmidecode   (you might need to apt-get install dmidecode first).  Set the email address to  ubuntu@paul.sladen.org
[06:14] <stuNNed> bob2, so w/grub '##' is true comment?
[06:14] <sladen> stuNNed: correct
[06:14] <bob2> I don't know, I think update-grub does magic
[06:14] <Gwildor> bob2: kk, thats all i needed, gnome wont be used for long, just long enuff to enable universe and grab flux.......thnx
[06:15] <sladen> stuNNed: update-grub does some funky stuff
[06:15] <dtradd> bob2: Ok, then I'll wait I guess. I just heard that someone make this video card work on 3D by changing repositories to Hoary and changing from XFree86 to Xorg
[06:17] <Prower> sladen: Hmm...that's quite a good idea actually, I'll write a note to myself and do that as soon as possible
[06:17] <bob2> dtradd: sorry, april 4th
[06:19] <dtradd> bob2: Well, that's better :)
[06:20] <stuNNed> sladen, so don't use it or?
[06:20] <grepper> well, my install of hoary from a chroot  was a failure
[06:21] <grepper> perhaps something mucked up copying files across the lan
[06:21] <crimsun> grepper: hmm, it worked fine earlier yesterday afternoon
[06:21] <grepper> I did it in a very round about way
[06:21] <grepper> well, it started up ok, but I was getting kernel panics in kde
[06:22] <Prower> I have to go for the night, but when my account registration goes through for bugzilla, I'll send the bug report right away :> Thanks for the help
[06:25] <dtradd> bob2: Well, thanks for your help Bob2
[06:25] <dtradd> Bye!
[06:26] <bob2> you're welcome, cya
[06:27] <grepper> crimsun, perhaps I left out something critical
[06:28] <grepper> http://rafb.net/paste/results/OxRhMP34.html
[06:28] <grepper> doesn't look good :P
[06:28] <grepper> that was while in kde
[06:30] <carthik> Does anyone know of a method to convert word documents to pdf using linux only?
[06:30] <mkerby> I'm a newbie.  I've got a few questions,if no one minds :)
[06:30] <JDahl> carthik, openoffice can export pdf
[06:31] <bob2> and antiword
[06:33] <carthik> JDahl, but when I open a word document in OO, the formatting is not the same, and so the pdf looks different from the original word doc. My Curriculum Vitae got totally screwed up
[06:33] <strixy> hello
[06:33] <Gwildor> can anyone point me to a doc about getting a usb to ethernet adapter working in ubuntu?
[06:33] <mkerby> Could anyone answer some questions for me about installing Ubuntu?
[06:33] <strixy> I was wondering how I can set a domain name to my system
[06:33] <Gwildor> mkerby: i can......try
[06:33] <mkerby> I'm considering using it instead of Mandrake.
[06:33] <Gwildor> DO IT
[06:33] <Gwildor> lol
[06:34] <mkerby> :D
[06:34] <strixy> mkerby: I switched and haven't looked back
[06:34] <mkerby> From the screenshots at the site it looks really easy.
[06:34] <Gwildor> it is
[06:34] <strixy> mkerby: for the most part, the default options work very well
[06:34] <mkerby> I'm a little worried, though, about setting up the partitions.
[06:35] <Gwildor> mkerby: do you dual boot....or ubuntu only?
[06:35] <Gwildor> if you only gonna use ubuntu, it will auto do it for you :)
[06:35] <mkerby> It would be a dual boot with Windows XP :p
[06:35] <strixy> scrap the windows
[06:35] <mkerby> My husband likes XP.
[06:35] <Gwildor> and?
[06:35] <strixy> scrap the husband
[06:36] <strixy> lol
[06:36] <Gwildor> tell him to get his own box
[06:36] <Gwildor> lol strixy
[06:36] <sladen> stuNNed: sorry, I went away, what was your last question
[06:36] <mkerby> If I accidently delete XP he'll kill me.
[06:36] <strixy> get a second hd
[06:36] <mkerby> I might do that.
[06:36] <mkerby> But, I've got plenty of space on this one.
[06:36] <Gwildor> mkerby: well, just delete you mandy part, and then remake a new one with the same space......and go from there
[06:36] <strixy> I won't go near a dual boot. Too sticky
[06:37] <mkerby> Hmmmm.  Does ubuntu automatically install a bootloader if needed?
[06:37] <sladen> carthik: your Linux machine may not have the same fonts as your windows machine.  If you've used any 'special' fonts that are not available on the Linux machine they will have to be replaced
[06:37] <strixy> mkerby: yes
[06:37] <sladen> Gwildor: first step.  plug it in
[06:37] <Gwildor> i was told, the best way to learn linux is to scrap windows...and i did, and glad too
[06:38] <sladen> mkerby: yes
[06:38] <Gwildor> sladen: well, duh
[06:38] <carthik> sladen, it is not so much the fonts, as the layout - even the page breaks are all over the place...
[06:38] <strixy> Gwildor: Same here.
[06:38] <Gwildor> :)
[06:38] <mkerby> I'm confused.  What's the font and layout problem?
[06:38] <sladen> Gwildor: okay.  so I'm guessing the auto-detection didn't make it work?
[06:39] <mkerby> Ooops.  Sorry.  Wrong question.
[06:39] <Gwildor> sladen: oh, i dont know......dont have the box in question yet, i didnt know there was a auto detect feature.....was almost 100% sure i was gonna have to do some work
[06:39] <mkerby> I'd love to make Windows go away, but Hubby and my children like it.
[06:39] <strixy> Can anyone tell me how to set domain name on this thing? I used the gui under network tools and it doesn't seem to have affected exim's call to DEBCONFdomainDEBCONF
[06:40] <mkerby> They love the games it has.
[06:40] <Gwildor> lol
[06:40] <Gwildor> like solitare?
[06:40] <Gwildor> or commercial games?
[06:40] <sladen> strixy: depending on what you want, edit  /etc/mailname  and  /etc/hosts so that the first entry has the domain you want on the end
[06:40] <strixy> tell them to get a playstation ;) if they want to play games
[06:40] <mkerby> I wish.  Like Quake III, Doom, etc.
[06:40] <strixy> sladen: will give it a shot. and thanks
[06:41] <strixy> Isn't quake on linux now?
[06:41] <maximaus> mkerby: are you getting a seperate HD for linux?
[06:41] <Gwildor> sladen: should i plug it in before or after i start the box?
[06:41] <mkerby> Quake is, but not Quake III.
[06:41] <Agrajag> mkerby: what?
[06:41] <Agrajag> Quake III has been out for linux for years
[06:41] <Gwildor> just hope you got nvidea
[06:41] <mkerby> Really?  Yeaaaaah!
[06:42] <Agrajag> if you're trolling, you're not good at it
[06:42] <sladen> mkerby: Quake III runs nicely under Ubuntu thank you :-)
[06:42] <strixy> So does Neverwinter Nights
[06:42] <Agrajag> and UT, and UT2k4
[06:42] <maximaus> then there's Cedega for other Windows games
[06:42] <strixy> In fact, the linuc version of NWN comes with 2 very nice coasters
[06:42] <mkerby> Where can you find Quake?
[06:42] <Agrajag> mkerby: on iD's website./
[06:43] <mkerby> Makes sense.
[06:43] <Agrajag> run their installer, copy a couple files off your Q3 CD, and you're done
[06:43] <mkerby> I'm stupider than usual tonight.
[06:43] <sladen> mkerby: apt-cache search quake
[06:43] <mkerby> Fantastic!
[06:43] <stuNNed> sladen, n/m it's not working
[06:43] <strixy> quake2 is on synaptic
[06:44] <mkerby> BTW, I'm thinking about another harddrive but I can't get one yet.
[06:44] <mkerby> I'm growing more impatient with Mandrake and I want something different.
[06:45] <mkerby> Could putting Ubuntu sharing a drive with Windows XP be disastrous?
[06:47] <Guardiann> good evening everyone
[06:48] <Gwildor> you too........1am
[06:48] <PurpleFly> mkerby: not really, as long as you dont mess up windows's partition you should be alright
[06:48] <PurpleFly> mkerby: I use it now, and use captive on my data drive to share data between the two
[06:49] <mkerby> What is captive?
[06:50] <PurpleFly> captive- is a project that uses windows ntfs file system driver to read and write to ntfs partitions
[06:51] <Gwildor> oooh....thats nice
[06:51] <PurpleFly> here is a howto i wrote up on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10175
[06:53] <poof> Pingus ROCKS!
[06:54] <poof> sudo apt-get install pingus
[06:54] <mkerby> I think I'm gonna try this thing.
[06:54] <mkerby> How easy is apt-get to set up and use?
[06:55] <poof> it is already set up, just open a terminal and type
[06:55] <Gwildor> it is already set up
[06:55] <poof> apt-get update
[06:55] <poof> then
[06:55] <Gwildor> even has a graphica front end......named synaptic
[06:55] <poof> wait
[06:55] <Gwildor> what is pinguz?
[06:55] <Gwildor> pingus?
[06:55] <poof> sudo apt-get install packagename.here
[06:55] <poof> pingus is like ols amiga game lemmings
[06:55] <poof> odl
[06:56] <poof> old LOL
[06:56] <mkerby> I'm downloading Ubuntu right now.  I'll let you know how it turns out.
[06:56] <poof> it is a good distro, very easy,
[06:56] <Gwildor> ahhh....ok
[06:56] <Gwildor> mkerby: you will be happy.....besides there are ALWAYS ppl here
[06:56] <mkerby> I've gotta go.  Husband and daughter want me to watch TV with them..  See y'all later.
[06:56] <poof> yea I meet very nice people here :)
[06:56] <Gwildor> me too
[06:57] <Gwildor> hiya poof :)
[06:57] <poof> Hi :)
[06:57] <poof> lol
[06:57] <Guardiann> a pie?
[06:58] <Gwildor> yes,
[06:58] <Guardiann> i see
[06:58] <Gwildor> idk....lol
[06:58] <Gwildor> always wanted to throw a wrench at him
[06:58] <Gwildor> mr. president as well
[06:58] <Guardiann> hmmm
[06:59] <poof> http://mciunix.mciu.k12.pa.us/~sgeweb/images/Pie.gif
[06:59] <Gwildor> nice pie
[06:59] <poof> I even got a game running under wine, Ubuntu is very nice
[07:00] <Guardiann> yeah it is
[07:00] <Seq> has anybody ever tried resizing an ext3 partition?
[07:00] <Guardiann> oops thats what i forgot crossover
[07:00] <Gwildor> i have never resised.....sorry
[07:00] <poof> me either
[07:01] <Seq> Gwildor: oh well, thanks for answering anyway
[07:01] <poof> can we install crossover in ubuntu for free? build it or something?
[07:01] <Guardiann> :)
[07:01] <bur[n] er> poof: no
[07:01] <Guardiann> crossover has a 30 day test for download
[07:01] <Gwildor> Seq: lol....NP :)
[07:02] <poof> I might try it, they list Zbrush 2 as untested, I want to test it :D
[07:02] <poof> If I get Zbrush 2 running in Linux I will be 100% microsoft free
[07:03] <Guardiann> whats zbrush
[07:03] <bur[n] er> good question
[07:03] <Guardiann> thankyou
[07:03] <poof> http://pixologic.com/home/home.shtml
[07:05] <Gwildor> poof: can i see some of the stuff that  YOU have done?
[07:05] <poof> yea hold on let me hit my KVM switch
[07:05] <Gwildor> aight
[07:06] <nicedreams> how do i edit the app menu in xfce4?
[07:06] <Gwildor>  #xfce, i do not know
[07:06] <Poof_> ok 1 sec...
[07:06] <Gwildor> kk
[07:06] <nicedreams> k
[07:06] <Poof_> http://www.s91842597.onlinehome.us/NEWGALLERY/NEWGALLERY.htm
[07:06] <nicedreams> i joined their room
[07:07] <Poof_> ok back to linux :)
[07:07] <poof> phew....
[07:07] <nicedreams> is it bad to run games from a fat partition in linux?
[07:08] <Gwildor> poof: good stuff....is some of that GL rendering?
[07:08] <poof> yea most of the new stuff is done in blender
[07:09] <Gwildor> :)
[07:09] <poof> I make and paint models in Zbrush
[07:09] <Gwildor> shit, i must go...GF is puking her guts out.......laters
[07:09] <poof> Zbrush allows me to make displacement and normal maps,i can sculpt 4 million polys and slap a displacement map and normakl map on a low poly model to make it verry detailed..
[07:10] <poof> Bummer :/
[07:11] <poof> LOL! I wonder if I can install crossover, and after it expires re-install ubuntu and re-format, LOL!
[07:11] <poof> then try for another 30 days...
[07:12] <bur[n] er> probably...
[07:12] <poof> I get 200 Email accounts with my website LMAO
[07:12] <Guardiann> what is the linux software that is like powerpoint
[07:12] <bur[n] er> but for $30, you might just wanna buy it ;)
[07:12] <poof> yea 30$ is cheep
[07:12] <bur[n] er> Guardiann: openoffice impress/
[07:12] <poof> I thought is was some subscription like WINEX
[07:12] <Guardiann> ah thanks is there another
[07:13] <bur[n] er> poof: doesn't 1and1 suck nutz?
[07:13] <bur[n] er> heh
[07:13] <LameNick> nicedreams: yes fat is too fat
[07:13] <trey3> poof: winex isn't subscription... cedega is... you can check winex out of there cvs for free...
[07:14] <poof> I got account for Free about a year ago... 1/2 gigabyte
[07:14] <bur[n] er> winex is old
[07:14] <bur[n] er> poof: me too ;)
[07:14] <poof> yea i cant spell the new WINEX name :)
[07:14] <bur[n] er> their interface is crap though
[07:14] <nicedreams> LameNick, so it's bad to run games from fat?
[07:14] <LameNick> #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:15] <poof> I think linux runs off fat partitions, but FAT32 is very slow to begin with....
[07:15] <LameNick> no
[07:15] <nicedreams> not run linux from it, but I have games on a fat volume
[07:15] <nicedreams> linux / and /home are on ext3
[07:15] <LameNick> linux doesn't not use m$ stupid partions
[07:15] <nicedreams> and quake3 is on fat
[07:16] <LameNick> well you need to linux port
[07:16] <nicedreams> i've gamed from fat in linux before but it locks my system up after a while
[07:16] <trey3> LameNick: it can... see PhatLinux amoungst others...
[07:16] <poof> did you do a linux install of quake 3?
[07:16] <poof> I was just looking for a linux quake 3 installer
[07:16] <discord> im having trouble with my printer anyone have any suggestions; It will only print text and now their are jobs backed up and it just sits there
[07:16] <nicedreams> i copied quake3 from my windows install to another dir
[07:16] <Agrajag> nicedreams: install the linux port, then make symlinks to the .pk3 files
[07:16] <nicedreams> then ran the quake linux patch
[07:16] <Agrajag> nicedreams: you can just use symlinks
[07:16] <Agrajag> then you don't have two copies of those big files sitting around
[07:17] <nicedreams> it works fine, ut I wanted to know if it's good to do it or something.  It locks my PC up after awhile when i game from fat so i wanted to know if that might be the problem
[07:17] <Agrajag> it shouldn't
[07:17] <LameNick> daniels: here?
[07:17] <nicedreams> i have 400 gig so space isn't an issue
[07:17] <LameNick> i have 160GB
[07:17] <bur[n] er> using wine
[07:17] <Agrajag> I have 280
[07:17] <poof> dont ubuntu have the stuff to read NTFS like KNOPPIX?
[07:17] <Agrajag> no wait, 300
[07:17] <bur[n] er> poof: sure
[07:18] <Agrajag> just got an iriver h320, that should count 8)
[07:18] <poof> Cool, I am going to try half life 2 :)
[07:18] <bur[n] er> u need write support though?
[07:18] <Agrajag> good luck, I doubt it's supported by cedega, I guess I could be wrong though
[07:18] <bur[n] er> cedega is pretty remarkable in its support
[07:19] <Agrajag> yes, but last I checked Steam was flat-out no supported, much less its games
[07:19] <daniels> LameNick: sup
[07:19] <poof> cedega have halflife 2 support, i saw ad today
[07:19] <Agrajag> oh really?
[07:19] <LameNick> daniels: i am /msg you
[07:19] <Agrajag> well I stand corrected
[07:19] <daniels> Agrajag: cedega does hl2 and steam now
[07:19] <poof> they got the new warcraft working too
[07:20] <discord> does linux not like to print large image files 15 megs?
[07:21] <LameNick> YAY
[07:21] <LameNick> at last
[07:24] <LinuxNIT--> why wont ubuntu read my mac partition? I have it mounted but it dosent readit correctly.
[07:24] <discord> hmm
[07:25] <discord> LinuxNIT--, what does it do when you ls
[07:26] <discord> what does your fstab look like?
[07:26] <LinuxNIT--> it lists what i assume are dirctories. i can cd into them but if i ls inside them then it says its not a directory
[07:27] <LinuxNIT--> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[07:27] <LinuxNIT--> #
[07:27] <LinuxNIT--> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[07:27] <LinuxNIT--> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[07:27] <LinuxNIT--> /dev/hda11      /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[07:27] <LinuxNIT--> /dev/hda12      none            swap    sw              0       0
[07:27] <LinuxNIT--> /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[07:27] <LinuxNIT--> /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[07:27] <LinuxNIT--> /dev/sda        /media/usb0     auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[07:27] <LinuxNIT--> /dev/hda10      /apple          hfs   rw,user,noauto  0       0
[07:27] <discord> LinuxNIT--, your type should say hfsplus
[07:28] <discord> i mean
[07:28] <discord> hfs+
[07:28] <discord> no
[07:28] <discord> hfsplus
[07:28] <LinuxNIT--> that fixed it
[07:28] <LinuxNIT--> i tried hfs+ earlier and it didnt work
[07:29] <LinuxNIT--> why wont it work when i just use auto instead of hfsplus
[07:29] <discord> now if i could only fix my printer
[07:29] <discord> i dunno guess its picky about shitty filesystems like hfsplus and ntfs
[07:30] <LinuxNIT--> ill keep that in mind and thanks for the help
[07:33] <Altke> hey.  i've nearly setup samba, except whenever i try to access my share it asks for a password and anything i try doesn't work.  is there anything i have to put specifically in the config file?
[07:33] <LameNick> nice flood
[07:34] <discord> print damnit
[07:34] <Guardiann> ?
[07:34] <discord> it prints the stupid fucking test page
[07:34] <discord> but nothing else
[07:35] <sobralense> watch your language..
[07:35] <discord> okay mom
[07:35] <Fukuoka> Anyone know how to change the CD-ROM Media timeout prior to install?
[07:36] <Altke> does ctrl+alt+x work? :/
[07:36] <Fukuoka> Having issues w/ installation, where the kernel appears to timeout when copying to HD
[07:36] <Altke> i.e. ctrl+alt+1/2/3/4
[07:37] <dbernar1> hey
[07:37] <tha_gamemaster> greetings all my fellow ubuntu users!
[07:37] <Fukuoka> Sort of, gets to a certain point then says "The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1)."
[07:38] <Fukuoka> I've come across similar programs w/ a slow cdrom installing FreeBSD, so thought it may be the media timeout value
[07:38] <Fukuoka> (The MD5 checksum of the ISO was correct, and I've verified that the cd works by using it on a different PC)
[07:39] <Fukuoka> w/ VMWare
[07:39] <LameNick> LOLZ@ http://media.big-boys.com/files01/bbpics/pic0363.jpg
[07:40] <LameNick> oppps wrong channel
[07:42] <discord> can printers in linux print really large files
[07:42] <discord> like 15 meg files?
[07:42] <crimsun> sure. Why wouldn't they be able to?
[07:43] <crimsun> it's not as if their memory capacities are suddenly rendered useless because they're attached to computers running a non-Windows OS.
[07:43] <crimsun> ;)
[07:43] <discord> mine doesnt seem to be able to print any of these large picture files im sending it but the test page and text work fine
[07:43] <discord> yeah i dunno
[07:43] <discord> i got this laser printer
[07:43] <discord> it should spit this right out
[07:43] <discord> its not
[07:44] <bur[n] er> i haven't been able to print anything in linux, so dont ask me ;)
[07:44] <discord> doesn't seem to do anything
[07:44] <Guardiann> i big is your file your printing
[07:44] <bur[n] er> speaking of... anyone know how to get printing to a samba shared printer to work?
[07:44] <tha_gamemaster> i haven't printed in linux since mandrake 8.2 ^_^
[07:44] <discord>  13303808 bytes
[07:44] <bur[n] er> mine spools, but doens't do anything
[07:45] <Guardiann> just got mine working
[07:46] <Fukuoka> So, nobody knows how to change the installation media timeout?
[07:46] <IBOIC> 1+1=2
[07:46] <IBOIC> ubuntu = 3
[07:47] <diskord> hmm
[07:47] <lexhider> anyone know if I'll be able to have firefox available in my session for when I start up gnome?
[07:47] <diskord> i dunno what happened
[07:47] <lexhider> in hoary?
[07:47] <diskord> what do you think about the printer ?
[07:47] <diskord> its a large file
[07:47] <diskord> but I think it would print
[07:48] <diskord> ideas anybody?
[07:48] <diskord> i wish i could use the samsung print package
[07:48] <Guardiann> printing a 2mb doc now
[07:48] <diskord> ubuntu will not let me
[07:48] <diskord> thing worked fine in slackware
[07:48] <diskord> and debian
[07:49] <diskord> with that driver
[07:49] <Guardiann> what software you printing from
[07:49] <diskord> but ubuntu will not let me use the linux-config from the linux printer package
[07:49] <diskord> right now im using the builtin crap
[07:50] <diskord> which does not work
[07:50] <Guardiann> works fine
[07:50] <diskord> for you
[07:50] <diskord> not me
[07:50] <Guardiann> now i mean what are you trying to print
[07:50] <diskord> only for small files
[07:50] <diskord> some things i scanned
[07:53] <binReapr> hi there, I installed kde on ubuntu but when I try to modify settings it ask me for root password, what is the default?
[07:53] <diskord> Printing: USB printer is busy; will retry in 5 seconds...
[07:54] <crimsun> binReapr: there is none. Use sudo with your password.
[07:54] <crimsun> binReapr: FAQ, see the wiki.
[07:54] <binReapr> ok, thnx
[07:55] <diskord> man this printer giving me the blues
[07:55] <diskord> ugh
[07:55] <diskord> i feel doep sick
[07:56] <diskord> i give up
[08:01] <ernstp> why does apt-get -b source my-package just stop and doesn't build anything?
[08:03] <tha_gamemaster> the built in totem dvd player, it doesn't play encrypted dvds right?
[08:03] <bur[n] er> not without decss
[08:04] <Guardiann> the file you need is i synaptic
[08:05] <tha_gamemaster> can I install a "plugin" for that (thats the term totem uses) or should i just switch to multiverse mode and get mplayer ?
[08:05] <Guardiann> the file you need is i synaptic
[08:05] <Safari_Al> Guardiann, The "ResitrctedFormats" wiki page has info about how to get that to work
[08:06] <crimsun> Safari_Al: you mean tha_gamemaster.
[08:06] <Guardiann> ??
[08:06] <Guardiann> yeah i know that
[08:06] <Safari_Al> tha_gamemaster, you need to add some extra repositories and install totem-xine and libdecss, basically
[08:06] <Guardiann> i was telling him where to get the file
[08:06] <Safari_Al> Guardiann, sorry, wrong nick.
[08:06] <Guardiann> tha_gamemaster you need 1 file to make it play encrypted dvds
[08:07] <tha_gamemaster> Guardian, Safari_Al thanks, I'll jump on that, I'll go check out the site
[08:07] <Safari_Al> good luck!
[08:08] <tha_gamemaster> Safair_Al thanks! ^_^
[08:09] <j3di> anyone here know if ubuntu supports broadcom wireless adapters?
[08:09] <crimsun> j3di: check the wiki.
[08:10] <bur[n] er> j3di: yes
[08:11] <j3di> yea im on it
[08:11] <j3di> it says look at truemobile 1350 below
[08:11] <j3di> so im looking and dont see what theyre referencing
[08:14] <j3di> lol ok i found it
[08:14] <j3di> good god i should just go to bed
[08:17] <tha_gm|onaquest> ok Guardian, Safari_Al, I checked the wiki, the repository it pointed me to is i386 only, I'm on ppc.
[08:17] <Guardiann> do you get an error when trying to run it
[08:19] <tha_gm|onaquest> well i didn't try it yet, thats just what the wiki said
[08:19] <nicedreams> how can i track deb packages I installed in an apt sort of way
[08:19] <nicedreams> or sources
[08:19] <Guardiann> so when you try to play your dvd what does it tell you
[08:19] <tha_gm|onaquest> brb
[08:23] <nicedreams> does ubuntu have an xfce4-menueditor?
[08:23] <poof> I installed xfce and Enlightnement, yet when I reboot, I cant see them listed in the session menu :/
[08:23] <poof> :)
[08:25] <poof> I dont see a menu editor listed :/
[08:25] <dayson> I need help installing a bit torrent client
[08:25] <dayson> I'm new to linux so I dont know what to do
[08:26] <dayson> can someone please help me out?
[08:26] <poof> give it a minuet,
[08:26] <dayson> http://www.bittornado.com/download.html
[08:26] <poof> I am not sure about torrent, but someone here should know
[08:26] <dayson> thats the client
[08:27] <dayson> I need it for winex
[08:27] <JDahl> dayson, sudo apt-get install bittornado-gui
[08:29] <carlot> hi there everybody
[08:30] <JDahl> hi
[08:30] <dayson> E: Broken packages
[08:30] <dayson> :( whats that mean
[08:30] <JDahl> dayson, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install bittornado-gui
[08:30] <carlot> I have a problem mounting a ntfs partition
[08:31] <tha_gm|onaquest> carlot did you load the ntfs module?
[08:31] <JDahl> dayson, you probably just need to update the apt database
[08:31] <carlot> 8) is there a ntfs module?
[08:31] <nicedreams> do i have to install anything in ubuntu so i can compile sources?
[08:31] <dayson> JDahl, how do I do that?
[08:31] <JDahl> dayson, I just told you
[08:32] <carlot> tha_gm|onaquest: I just modified fstab
[08:32] <tha_gm|onaquest> carlot yea the whole kernel is modular, check /lib/kernel/`uname -r`/drivers/fs/
[08:32] <tha_gm|onaquest> so you modified fstab and now ntfs doesn't work and it did before?
[08:32] <bur[n] er> nicedreams: apt-get install build-essential
[08:33] <carlot> tha_gm|onaquest: /lib/kernel/`uname -r`/drivers/fs/ no such file or directory
[08:33] <nicedreams> bur[n] er, thx
[08:33] <poof> I installed xfce and Enlightnement, yet when I reboot, I cant see them listed in the session menu :/ anyone know what I did wrong?
[08:34] <tha_gm|onaquest> carlot hold on let me check
[08:34] <bur[n] er> nicedreams: sure
[08:34] <carlot> tha_gm|onaquest: yup
[08:34] <tha_gm|onaquest> poof, no, I installed xmms and it didn't show up either so, sorry I can't help ya.
[08:35] <poof> if you have Nvidia drivers there is a bug with Xmms
[08:35] <poof> from commandline try typring xmms
[08:36] <poof> that is how I get it open
[08:36] <tha_gm|onaquest> carlot /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/fs/
[08:36] <poof> brb, rebooting
[08:36] <nicedreams> can i post a 5 line error msg?
[08:37] <carlot> tha_gm|onaquest: yup it IS a directory
[08:37] <tha_gm|onaquest> carlot in that directory is the ntfs module, make sure it's loaded
[08:37] <carlot> tha_gm|onaquest: tks how to check that?
[08:37] <nicedreams> *** The xml2-config script installed by LIBXML could not be found
[08:37] <nicedreams> *** If libxml was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
[08:37] <nicedreams> *** your path, or set the XML2_CONFIG environment variable to the
[08:37] <nicedreams> *** full path to xml2-config.
[08:37] <nicedreams> configure: error: You need LIBXML2 to continue
[08:38] <tha_gm|onaquest> carlot modprobe -l | grep -i ntfs
[08:38] <nicedreams> i have libxml2 installed
[08:39] <nicedreams> how do i fix this
[08:39] <carlot> tha_gm|onaquest: seems OK[08:39] <tha_gm|onaquest> carlot ok then it's loaded, private message me your fstab so we don't clog up the main chat
[08:40] <carlot> tha_gm|onaquest: yup
[08:40] <tha_gm|onaquest> nicedreams, I'm sorry I have no idea. does the synaptic package manager  show a conflict?
[08:41] <nicedreams> i'm installing 'xfce4-menueditor' from source since it's not in the repository
[08:42] <Cam> hey guys, i just did a install of ubuntu warty amd64 but my wireless card isnt listed in network config.. however it is listed in lspci
[08:42] <tha_gm|onaquest> nicedreams oh I see, hrm,  did you check the dependencies of the source? usually  binary dependencies have less then source ones.... or was it the otherway around...
[08:42] <bur[n] er> Cam: got the module loaded?  lsmod
[08:42] <Cam> "Network Controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94306 802.11g rev 03"
[08:43] <dayson> JDahl, okay I got it installed I had to solve a dependency error but now how do I run it?
[08:43] <poof> WOOHOO!!! I got samba working!! Thankyou ubiuntu team!!!
[08:43] <Cam> i cant find anything that resembles broadcom or the model of the chipset
[08:43] <nicedreams> how do i check the source to see what it needs?  I ran ./configure and got that message I posted
[08:43] <Cam> in lspci
[08:43] <bur[n] er> Cam: you may have to use ndiswrapper for a broadcom
[08:43] <poof> My Home office network WORKS!!!
[08:43] <bur[n] er> on that note... i gotta go
[08:43] <bur[n] er> sorry
[08:43] <bur[n] er> good luck
[08:44] <dayson> JDahl, okay I got it installed I had to solve a dependency error but now how do I run it?
[08:44] <Crane> heh what a pain
[08:44] <JDahl> dayson, I dont know... I dont have it installed. dpkg -L bittornado-gui shows all the files it installed, and docs should be in /usr/share/doc/bittornado-gui
[08:44] <poof> WOW Xfce is nice
[08:45] <Crane> installin hoary from nightly iso
[08:45] <Crane> whew
[08:46] <JDahl> dayson, there's also a Java client called Azereus or something that people seem to like, but you'll have to install it manually from sourceforge
[08:46] <poof> where do you guys get hoary?
[08:46] <Crane> poof, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/
[08:46] <Konlied> What's the best filesystem in terms of Speed and Max filesize?
[08:46] <poof> Thank you :)
[08:47] <Konlied> Speed may be academic, I guess I'm more concerned with filesize.
[08:47] <Crane> he ISO's are messed up though
[08:47] <Cam> dont u hate it when u have to burn a 100kb file
[08:47] <Crane> everyone suggests installing wharty the upgrading
[08:48] <Amaranth> Konlied: Reiser 4 is the best as far as speed, I know that.
[08:48] <Konlied> Which filesystems will allow me to store > 8Gb files?
[08:48] <Konlied> ah
[08:48] <nicedreams> is there a way to have in grub an entry to use a kernel but with certian services turned off and have other menu entries in grub like that with the same kernel?
[08:49] <tha_gm|onaquest> yes
[08:49] <linux_galore> I usually use xfs when using large file systems but I ubuntu doesn't support xfs by default last I looked
[08:49] <crimsun> linux_galore: sure it supports XFS
[08:50] <tha_gm|onaquest> nicedreams yes, just make it like you were loading another kernel, and turn stuff on and off, like  acpi,  or mem
[08:50] <crimsun> linux_galore: it creates ext3 fs by default, but that's a far cry from not supporting it by default.
[08:50] <nicedreams> tha_gm|onaquest, how would i do that?
[08:50] <linux_galore> crimsun: yeah but doesnt ubuntu default to reiserfs and ext3 and two halves
[08:50] <nicedreams> tha_gm|onaquest, or i don't understand
[08:50] <linux_galore> <humour.
[08:50] <crimsun> in fact, I'd be kinda screwed if Ubuntu kernels didn't support XFS, since I'm running XFS.
[08:51] <nicedreams> crimsun, hoary might support xfs
[08:51] <linux_galore> crimsun: aaah so you can get ubuntu using xfs
[08:51] <tha_gm|onaquest> nice dreams, do you have a grub.conf ?
[08:51] <linux_galore> Im a real fan of xfs
[08:51] <nicedreams> tha_gm|onaquest, yea
[08:51] <nicedreams> tha_gm|onaquest, i'm looking at it now
[08:51] <JDahl> maybe off-topic, but arent disks so slow anyway that it doesnt really matter?
[08:51] <tha_gm|onaquest> nicedreams ok hold on
[08:52] <nicedreams> tha_gm|onaquest, my bad...i was looking at menu.lst
[08:52] <Amaranth> XFS is what SCO is suing about, isn't it?
[08:52] <nicedreams> tha_gm|onaquest, i don't see grub.conf, but looking
[08:52] <linux_galore> crimsun: so you just partition in the expert mode set he partitions to xfs and it works
[08:52] <Konlied> is xfs the only fs that allows files around the 10Gb mark?
[08:52] <gen> konlied, what?
[08:52] <^_^> baaa
[08:52] <Konlied> for linux that is
[08:53] <linux_galore> no SCO is suing over jfsII although the version of jfsII Linux uses is from OS/2 not AIX
[08:53] <tha_gm|onaquest> nicedreams  I don't have a grub.conf So I can't find it for you, It's usually in /boot/grub/grub.conf
[08:54] <nicedreams> tha_gm|onaquest, i don't have one then
[08:54] <Cam> whats the kernel source package name? and does it come with the cd?
[08:54] <linux_galore> Konlied: no jfs also allows large file sizes
[08:54] <nicedreams> what is xfs good for?
[08:55] <nicedreams> or when it is good to use xfs?
[08:55] <linux_galore> wasnt resiserfs4 suposed to offer the large file size option
[08:55] <nicedreams> i think resier is for smaller files
[08:55] <linux_galore> nicedreams: its good for multi media systems and xfs has this neat bit were it tunes your file system all the time trying to find the best way to run things
[08:55] <gen> reiserfs holds large files fine
[08:55] <crimsun> linux_galore: yes, I know you can create XFS fs in the installer using expert mode :)
[08:56] <nicedreams> linux_galore, nice
[08:56] <linux_galore> SGi created XFS
[08:56] <crimsun> Cam: linux-source-2.6.8.1
[08:56] <linux_galore> then ported it to Linux
[08:56] <nicedreams> i'm gonna make an xfs partition next time
[08:56] <Konlied> Just the thing i was looking for: http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse91/suselinux-adminguide/html/apas04.html
[08:57] <Konlied> comparison table!
[08:57] <linux_galore> Konlied: for what
[08:57] <Cam> hrmm.. ndiswrapper is giving me a assembler error "Error (%esp,1) is not a valid 64 bit base/indedx expression"
[08:57] <Amaranth> Cam: ndiswrapper doesn't work on AMD64
[08:57] <linux_galore> Ive been playing with Novells desktop distro..not bad for an enterprise rig
[08:58] <Konlied> linux_galore: for filesystems against max sizes. Good thing I just laid ext3 down :)
[08:58] <nicedreams> tha_gm|onaquest, isn't menu.lst the same thing as grub.conf?
[08:58] <Cam> can i not run it in 32bit emulation?
[08:58] <tha_gm|onaquest> nicedreams yea i think so,  does it have your kernel loading commands in there?
[08:58] <Amaranth> Cam: You have to run the 32-bit version of Ubuntu. 32-bit drivers and a 64-bit kernel don't mix.
[08:58] <nicedreams> yea
[08:58] <Cam> argh dammit
[08:59] <gen> damnit indeed
[08:59] <tha_gm|onaquest> nicedreams, k, paste me the file in a private chat
[08:59] <Cam> *back to install*
[08:59] <Konlied> XFS - 8 EB max   O__O
[08:59] <Konlied> wow
[08:59] <Amaranth> Cam: Good news for the future though: With Windows x64 in RC1 more devices should have 64-bit Windows drivers and someone will probably make a version of ndiswrapper that works for them.
[08:59] <^_^> 0_0
[08:59] <linux_galore> Konlied: geek drool factor 10+
[09:00] <linux_galore> heh heh
[09:00] <Cam> yep. tied back by lazy windows developers ;)
[09:00] <Cam> always the way
[09:00] <linux_galore> Konlied: IBM have a good page looking at all the different fs's and a chart with all the features
[09:01] <dayson> I need cedega
[09:01] <linux_galore> wonder if IBM updated it
[09:01] <poof> OMG XFCE has a bunch of windoe themes :) I am haveing a very good time with this :)
[09:01] <nicedreams> tha_gm|onaquest, can you msg me, i can't find how to do it in xchat, i'm used to bitchx
[09:01] <linux_galore> lol
[09:01] <Amaranth> Konlied: http://www.namesys.com/v4/v4.html <-- this might tell you how large reiser4 allows
[09:02] <linux_galore> yeah my hacktop usually runs XFCE when not running cli
[09:02] <poof> i like it :)
[09:02] <linux_galore> only got 64mb of ram on it
[09:03] <poof> BRB i am going to restart really quick...
[09:03] <linux_galore> poof: I ran xfce on a Xeon (P4) just for fun..boot up in like 3 seconds after the services are run
[09:04] <^_^> i got a 16mb 486. anything i can do with it?
[09:04] <linux_galore> hmm Im dying to play with oO 2.0
[09:04] <linux_galore> (openoffice.org)
[09:05] <Cam> hrmm dammit i got a old warty-rc iso
[09:05] <Cam> :|
[09:05] <nicedreams> tha_gm|onaquest, did you get it, it said dcc closed so i dunno
[09:05] <linux_galore> ^_^: try debian or minislack on it
[09:06] <tha_gm|onaquest> nicedreams dcc didn't come through,  i'm getting the paste in pvt though
[09:06] <linux_galore> ^_^: even better  try "damn small linux"
[09:06] <linux_galore> comes with a X small server
[09:07] <nicedreams> oh
[09:07] <nicedreams> k
[09:07] <Konlied> linux_galore: that namesys reiser page is comedy gold
[09:07] <Konlied> mind you, poser always is
[09:08] <linux_galore> Konlied: hmm let me open it
[09:08] <Konlied> http://www.namesys.com/r4pics/linuxsecureJ.jpg
[09:08] <Konlied> http://www.namesys.com/r4pics/withoutpluginsJ.jpg
[09:08] <tha_gm|onaquest> nicedreams  did you get my message
[09:09] <linux_galore> Konlied: yeah a good case of how not to tell people what your doing....man can I have a book with that
[09:11] <linux_galore> its amazing IBM wrote a pretty detailed web page on resierfs and it was like 4 paragraphs lol
[09:12] <Synek> hello
[09:13] <nicedreams> are there any sites that have debs like www.filemirrors.com?
[09:14] <linux_galore> nicedreams: I usually look on google.com/linux
[09:14] <crimsun> nicedreams: not that I know of. There are unofficial repos (ubuntu-bp, etc.), but those are not supported by Ubuntu at all.
[09:14] <crimsun> when your system breaks, you get to clean up the mess.
[09:14] <linux_galore> (for unofficial mirrors)
[09:15] <dayson> okay I installed BitTornado using apt-get but now how do I run it? I downloaded some torrent files to my desktop that I want to run
[09:15] <linux_galore> yeah Ive been sticking to Ubuntu (official) mirrors..keeps the breakage down
[09:15] <linux_galore> otherwise I just compile it
[09:15] <Amaranth> dayson: double click one of the .torrent files
[09:16] <dayson> Amaranth, says cannot display
[09:16] <dayson> should I restart or something?
[09:16] <Amaranth> ok, you need to do it from the terminal
[09:16] <Amaranth> btdownloadgui sometorrentfile.torrent
[09:17] <tha_gm|onaquest> is there any nice menu for starting/stopping services at boot time?
[09:17] <dayson> where should I save it too? I'm so new to linux I have no idea what I'm doing
[09:21] <linux_galore> you can also try btdownloadgui  and click on the torrent file
[09:23] <dayson> linux_galore, do you know how to mount a usb drive? I'm having a problem with that as well
[09:23] <dayson> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=275506
[09:23] <linux_galore> dayson: check under /mnt/media might be mounted already
[09:24] <dayson> linux_galore, I dont have a /mnt/media dir I have a usb dir in /mnt but it has a red x over it
[09:25] <linux_galore> dayson: tried usbview see if the system even see's it
[09:26] <dayson> dayson@Todd:~/Desktop $ usbview
[09:26] <dayson> bash: usbview: command not found
[09:27] <linux_galore> hmm
[09:27] <crimsun> it's in hoary/universe, can't speak for warty
[09:28] <zenrox> its in wertys too
[09:28] <crimsun> there ya go, dayson
[09:29] <linux_galore> usually I mount it with  mount -t  vfat  /dev/sda  /mnt/wherever
[09:29] <nicedreams> Is there a way to it to where if I select a kernel to load from grub that it will load with a modified list of services that I want to start whith that selection from grub?
[09:30] <linux_galore> oops
[09:31] <dayson> how do I install a .deb file/
[09:31] <crimsun> sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[09:31] <dayson> dumb question I know
[09:32] <JDahl> dayson, are you downloading .deb files with torrent?
[09:32] <dayson> yes
[09:32] <crimsun> recipe for disaster. mm.
[09:32] <dayson> why?
[09:32] <dayson> I'm new so please explain
[09:33] <dayson> subprocess dpkg-split returned error exit status 2
[09:33] <dayson> I got an error
[09:33] <crimsun> that's the least of your worries, dayson.
[09:33] <dayson> why?
[09:33] <crimsun> for one, you can't verify the source of debs downloaded from a torrent.
[09:33] <linux_galore> you can look under /proc/scsi/  for there the drive is mounted
[09:34] <crimsun> dayson: would you download a random .exe from a torrent?
[09:34] <linux_galore> also a nice link on using USB devices with hotplug -> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Flash-Memory-HOWTO/linux-2.6.html#hotplug
[09:34] <dayson> depends
[09:35] <dayson> I just want to play games
[09:35] <dayson> I need cedega
[09:35] <linux_galore> yeah beware there "IS" malware for Linux now
[09:35] <crimsun> dayson: does needing cedega because you want to play games preclude any sense of safety you might have? ;)
[09:35] <linux_galore> dayson: if you want to play games get a console
[09:36] <crimsun> dayson: no one can verify that the deb hasn't been created by a malicious user
[09:36] <dayson> negative I want to play HL
[09:37] <tha_gm|onaquest> linux_galore: wait wait wait a minute, can you send me some info/links about this malware for linux?
[09:37] <linux_galore> tha_gm|onaquest: slashdot has an article about 3 weeks ago warning about malware on Linux
[09:37] <JDahl> dayson, you found a site with a .deb for cedega (whatever that is) and you dont know how to install it? I dont how well Ubuntu handles Debian .debs
[09:37] <randabis-wireles> finally...
[09:37] <randabis-wireles> damn this hoary update has been hell
[09:38] <dayson> JDahl, I dont know any other way to do it
[09:38] <crimsun> JDahl: both the cedega and point2play*debs installs fine.
[09:38] <crimsun> install^
[09:38] <JDahl> dayson, provided you trust the package do the have a binary package? or what does other people here have to say about mixing debs?
[09:38] <dayson> I guess so
[09:39] <tha_gm|onaquest> linux_galore, thanks i'll go read it!
[09:39] <dayson> if not I can always format again it would be the 5 time today
[09:39] <crimsun> dayson: you trust a bit too blindly.
[09:39] <linux_galore> forks the ubuntu cd for Ubuntu "Gamerz Edishion"  lol
[09:39] <dayson> crimson I just want it working at this point I've been trying for hours
[09:39] <linux_galore> tha_gm|onaquest: I can dig up the link if you havent got time
[09:40] <linux_galore> noticed someone has made a Knoppix version full of games
[09:40] <dayson> yeah but I hear they arent all they great
[09:40] <linux_galore> dayson: never tried it
[09:41] <tha_gm|onaquest> linux_galore np np i can find it, help out carlot with ntfs  and nicedreams with boot-time service loading, thats what i need help with 6-6
[09:41] <dayson> linux_galore, I just read about it
[09:41] <linux_galore> aaah
[09:41] <crimsun> dayson: well, it's your machine and I'm not going to try and prevent you. Just be aware of the pitfalls.
[09:42] <linux_galore> yeah I saw it flash by me on a web page..Im not a gamer so it didnt bother me
[09:42] <dayson> crimsun, thanks for the warning I've lost everything today already so I have nothing to lose other then an hours time
[09:42] <linux_galore> tha_gm|onaquest: I use an application called "captive" for ntfs
[09:42] <tha_gm|onaquest> yea i heard of that
[09:42] <linux_galore> tha_gm|onaquest: captive gives me read and write and delete on a ntfs partition
[09:42] <tha_gm|onaquest> he can mount it fine for read only, all he needs, he just can't mount it as regular user is  all
[09:42] <tha_gm|onaquest> root mounts it np
[09:43] <linux_galore> tha_gm|onaquest: has a nice no brainer intaller
[09:43] <linux_galore> installer*
[09:43] <dayson> I've heard of captive but I have no idea how to install it or make it work
[09:43] <dayson> I need it though :(
[09:43] <linux_galore> wtf captive|tail -3:
[09:43] <linux_galore> http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[09:43] <linux_galore> (2004-05-06)
[09:43] <tha_gm|onaquest> linux_galore: no brainer is good ^_^
[09:43] <Keemy> will ubuntu work OK on a 350mhz pentium with 192 MB of ram? or should i look to another distro?
[09:43] <linux_galore> I was amazed Ubuntu didnt have it its gtk based and is already a no brainer app
[09:44] <Amaranth> Keemy: It might run a little slow but it should be ok.
[09:44] <VR^> could anyone point me to a howto or a tutorial? i'm trying to get my cable modem to work - i have a toshiba pcx2500
[09:44] <crimsun> Keemy: 192 MB RAM? Yes, fine. GNOME might be a little sluggish; try XFce4.
[09:44] <Konlied> Keemy: I run it on less than that
[09:44] <JDahl> dayson, 99% of the questions in here are about people with either 3D problems or sound problems... As long as you're so new to linux, maybe stick with Windows for playing games...
[09:44] <linux_galore> Keemy: work fine
[09:44] <Konlied> GNOME works fine. Yes a little sluggish but faster than ever
[09:44] <Amaranth> captive isn't included in Ubuntu because in order to use it you need a Windows NT, 2k, XP, or 2k3 license
[09:45] <Amaranth> or you need to break the law
[09:45] <tha_gm|onaquest> linux_galore, any ideas how  to get user access to ntfs partition in fstab?
[09:46] <Konlied> s/suing/using
[09:46] <linux_galore> windows isnt that good for games...i just use a console......faster to turn on and now can network via my lan router as standard....also many games are turning up on consoles months before the PC platform and in some cases never on the PC platform
[09:46] <Konlied> I'm particularly fond of console emulators
[09:46] <JDahl> I guess my point was to use anything but linux, until he's more familiar with it
[09:46] <linux_galore> tha_gm|onaquest: captive does all that for you it edits the fstab file
[09:47] <Keemy> does ubuntu come with just 1 kernel?
[09:47] <linux_galore> tha_gm|onaquest: if you use the default ntfs patch in the kernel and mount the ntfs partition it only gives you "read"
[09:47] <tha_gm|onaquest> linux_galore can you send me the output of your fstab ? pvt chat is cool
[09:48] <linux_galore> tha_gm|onaquest: I dont use winder eeer "EVER" so Im useless
[09:48] <linux_galore> tha_gm|onaquest: had to install captive for the sales manager few weeks ago
[09:48] <tha_gm|onaquest> linux_galore: yea i'm totally anti-w1nb10ws too
[09:49] <Amaranth> linux_galore: Do you have a spare (unused) Windows license to go with that install of Captive?
[09:49] <linux_galore> I work in a "98%" Linux company we have a few winderz machines but there all dual boot
[09:49] <tha_gm|onaquest> linux_galore,  i wanna work in your company
[09:49] <linux_galore> Amaranth: lol not spare no
[09:49] <Amaranth> linux_galore: Don't tell the BSA.
[09:49] <Keemy> are there anyproblems with propietary liceses with linux
[09:50] <linux_galore> I think the company has like 20 or so win9x licenses we never use
[09:50] <Amaranth> Keemy: Technically you can't even playback MP3 files without infringing on a patent.
[09:50] <PurpleFly> tha_gm|onaquest: /dev/hdd1       /mnt/h          captive-ntfs    dmask=777,fmask=666      0       0
[09:50] <PurpleFly> /dev/hdd1       /mnt/h          ntfs    ro,dmask=0222,fmask=0333      0       0
[09:50] <Amaranth> win9x won't cut it, afaik
[09:50] <linux_galore> Keemy: no you can run proprietry software on Linux if you want
[09:51] <tha_gm|onaquest> PurpleFly thanks~!
[09:51] <Amaranth> Oh, I misunderstood the question.
[09:51] <crimsun> Amaranth: decoding is legal, encoding is another matter.
[09:51] <PurpleFly> no trouble
[09:51] <Amaranth> crimsun: Then why do both Ubuntu and Fedora leave it out?
[09:52] <linux_galore> Philips have this weird asses license on the mp3 stuff
[09:52] <crimsun> Amaranth: because it's questionable whether you can distribute a binary executable of it.
[09:52] <linux_galore> or is that Thomson
[09:52] <Amaranth> crimsun: Yeah, like xvid.
[09:52] <Vince-0> What do I get from synaptic to have KDE on my Ubuntu ?
[09:52] <Amaranth> The developers technically can't legally use their own codec.
[09:52] <Keemy> what about the winmodems drivers?
[09:52] <linux_galore> if you and individual playing mp3 for private use there is no charge if your a company distributing the decoder there "maybe" a charge
[09:53] <Konlied> yet another reason to use OGG
[09:53] <Konlied> ogg vorbis fukkin OWNS
[09:53] <tha_gm|onaquest> ogg for life!
[09:53] <linux_galore> yeah there are online music stores now selling ogg and flac files
[09:53] <tha_gm|onaquest> i just wish  iPods had ogg support... there is rumour of it though
[09:53] <Keemy> what'sa good model serial modem.. analog?
[09:54] <Konlied> of course, ape is the standard of the future but ogg rules at low bitrates
[09:54] <PurpleFly> Anyone here that uses rhythmbox???
[09:54] <Amaranth> ogg is just a container
[09:54] <crimsun> Konlied: surely you just regarding ape.
[09:54] <crimsun> jest^
[09:54] <linux_galore> good example of an online shop selling ogg and flac format music files --> http://www.mindawn.com/
[09:54] <Konlied> crimus: why, what's wrong with ape?
[09:55] <linux_galore> also there is Artistic Commons stuff were you can download the files legally
[09:55] <crimsun> Konlied: highly non-portable and the license is less than appealing just to name two.
[09:55] <linux_galore> for free
[09:55] <Vince-0> Whats the filename for KDE installer in synaptic ?
[09:56] <crimsun> Vince-0: 'kde-core' in the 'universe' repo
[09:56] <linux_galore> http://artists.iuma.com/
[09:56] <linux_galore> free legal stuff
[09:56] <Konlied> crimsun: ah, I see. I mean it was a good standard in terms of quality. I guess we might as well just start rippnig our cds as ISOs
[09:56] <Keemy> where is the kernel source?
[09:56] <crimsun> Konlied: "quality?" there are a bevy of lossless codecs.
[09:56] <Vince-0> crimsun: thnkz
[09:56] <crimsun> Keemy: linux-source-2.6.8.1
[09:56] <linux_galore> Vince-0: just install kde-common then it should ask for all the other stuff
[09:57] <linux_galore> Vince-0: kde isnt a single file its about 28 of them
[09:57] <Konlied> crimsun: sadly few people have heard of lossless codecs outside of monkey audio
[09:57] <Konlied> including me
[09:57] <Vince-0> linux_galore: I will try get setup files off website or summing
[09:57] <Amaranth> Konlied: FLAC?
[09:58] <linux_galore> Vince-0: kde is in the Ubuntu repository
[09:58] <Konlied> Amaranth: looks interesting
[09:58] <Keemy> does the live cd identify hardware the same as a regular install?
[09:58] <linux_galore> Keemy: yep
[09:58] <Keemy> ok cool
[09:59] <fishmonger> Howdy all.
[09:59] <Vince-0> linux_galore: yes , but if I format again - I gotta D/L it again .. .rather get the setups
[09:59] <linux_galore> although i found the lice CD wouldn't network for me
[09:59] <poof> Hello
[09:59] <linux_galore> live*
[09:59] <fishmonger> Did anyone here have constant trouble with HAL in Warty?
[09:59] <crimsun> Konlied: I think that's a myopic view
[09:59] <linux_galore> Vince-0: just get synaptic to download the packages dont know what your going on about
[09:59] <crimsun> Konlied: long before ape was popular, there were shns
[10:00] <fishmonger> My laptop locks very soon after HAL starts, every time.  I can't even get through a boot without the laptop locking.
[10:00] <linux_galore> Vince-0: you dont have to reinstall to use kde
[10:00] <Vince-0> linux_galore: I want setup files I can keep if I format sometime later
[10:00] <linux_galore> Vince-0: aah you mean you want /home  on a seperate partition
[10:01] <Keemy> i'm no expert, but sometimes when you wiggle the wires is back it helps, thank you.
[10:01] <tha_gm|onaquest> (all i know is I can encode an ogg at 56kbbs and still enjoy it, where I can't dothat with a 96kbbps mp3 (stereo bitrates)
[10:01] <linux_galore> Vince-0: the kde setup files are in the users home directory
[10:01] <poof> I am forced to install a DEB package, should I go for the testing or the unstable for warty?
[10:01] <Vince-0> linux_galore: so I can put them on CD from there ?
[10:01] <Keemy> how big should / be.. say in a 4. gig space?
[10:02] <linux_galore> Vince-0: yes you need to copy the .kde*  stuff
[10:02] <Keemy> 4.5
[10:02] <Vince-0> linux_galore: thnkz
[10:02] <linux_galore> hmm ~/.kde*
[10:03] <Keemy> if you were buying a new computer right now, would bus speed be your big priority?
[10:03] <fishmonger> Keemy: what are you looking at?
[10:04] <fishmonger> desktop/laptop?
[10:04] <Vince-0> Get a AMD burton chip - highest bus and a NVdia gfx card
[10:04] <Keemy> desktop
[10:04] <linux_galore> oooh cool mindawn.com have a player like itunes for the itunes website
[10:04] <fishmonger> I'm partial to Intel hardware, but I'm baised.
[10:05] <Vince-0> intel has better ondie cache
[10:05] <linux_galore> Keemy: I would be intrested in ram speed and hdd cache size and speed
[10:05] <tha_gm|onaquest> PurpleFly can I trouble you again.
[10:05] <Vince-0> which is good
[10:05] <tha_gm|onaquest> ?*
[10:05] <Keemy> 7200 rpm?
[10:06] <linux_galore> Keemy: Im finding these super fast cpu's are held up by the hardisk speed and ram speed
[10:06] <Amaranth> it's really hard to get faster than 10k rpm without issues
[10:06] <Keemy> i see
[10:06] <linux_galore> Keemy: SATA 10,000 rpm
[10:06] <Amaranth> you spin a pound of metal that fast and make sure it works
[10:06] <fishmonger> I've got a 15K drive, but it's _really_ whiny
[10:06] <PurpleFly> ya
[10:06] <linux_galore> Keemy: 8mb cache on the hardisk
[10:06] <Keemy> oh, i'm behing the times
[10:06] <crimsun> poof: err?
[10:07] <crimsun> poof: what for?
[10:07] <fishmonger> what i'd do, Keemy, is drop the money on a 78GB WD Raptor as a boot drive
[10:07] <poof> new gimp
[10:07] <fishmonger> and get the biggest HD you can for a dump, if you need more space than that.
[10:07] <linux_galore> Keemy: yeah these days I look at the cpu last because its not the bottle neck anymore
[10:07] <Amaranth> western digital is shit, don't buy from them
[10:08] <PurpleFly> tha_gm|onaquest: what up?
[10:08] <linux_galore> I like seagate
[10:08] <crimsun> poof: have you checked ubuntu-bp ?
[10:08] <Amaranth> seagate are the best, yeah
[10:08] <Keemy> i've got an old NEC 350 PII that's been in constant use since 1999
[10:08] <Amaranth> WD and Maxtor are the worst
[10:08] <poof> what is that?
[10:08] <fishmonger> Amaranth, I've had way more problems w/ Seagates than WDs
[10:08] <tha_gm|onaquest> PurpleFly: just trying to help out carlot with ntfs, so far what you gave me got everything working except... automount? it seems good!! thanks! i'm asking him to see what's going on.
[10:08] <Vince-0> Keemy: make sure u get an Nvdia and AMD 64 is not worth it atm
[10:08] <Amaranth> Old WD drives (20MB) were great and some still work for me but past 1GB I've always had problems.
[10:08] <Keemy> I had one Seagate and it always had errors
[10:09] <fishmonger> I've never had a problem w/ a Raptor
[10:09] <Vince-0> Keemy: Fujistu is pretty good HDD
[10:09] <Keemy> i've got a decent ATI video card
[10:09] <fishmonger> I've always done pretty well w/ Fujitsu too.
[10:09] <poof> I want to install gimp 2.2 synaptic only shows gimp 2.0 :/
[10:09] <fishmonger> The Hitachi inherited Deathstars still scare me
[10:09] <Keemy> fujitsu make 10k drives?
[10:09] <Vince-0> Keemy: ATI linux support is shocking
[10:10] <Vince-0> dunno
[10:10] <fishmonger> I don't think so, Keemy
[10:10] <tha_gm|onaquest> Hitachi Deathstars have usually a 90% failure rating
[10:10] <Amaranth> fishmonger: You should have seen how many problems Gateway used to have (I don't know anymore) with WD drives.
[10:10] <crimsun> Vince-0: by the middle of this month, it will be better
[10:10] <crimsun> poof: must you have 2.2?
[10:10] <Vince-0> crimsun: how so ? - I am having such issues getting drivers installed
[10:10] <crimsun> Vince-0: new drivers out then.
[10:10] <poof> yes I must :)
[10:10] <linux_galore> Yeah Ive got an old NEC Vera 1997 I using it for burning eeproms....its still working fine
[10:10] <PurpleFly> WD drives are terible, we have lost 4-5 just this past two months
[10:10] <Vince-0> no way
[10:10] <Vince-0> sweet
[10:11] <linux_galore> Versa*
[10:11] <Keemy> hw is hardware raid in linux?
[10:11] <fishmonger> What model, PurpleFly?
[10:11] <poof> I have gimp 2.2 for windows, the new filters are very nice :)
[10:11] <Vince-0> qDot , spektr : Greetz to locals from SA !
[10:11] <PurpleFly> well it was a bunch of 72GB SCSI 10RPM
[10:11] <PurpleFly> i can look model number
[10:12] <linux_galore> Im surprised NEC hasnt made more of its reliability  numbers...look on ebay there are always some old NEC laptops up for sale
[10:12] <tha_gm|onaquest> Every hard drive I bought, Maxtor/WD, has worked perfectly, any hard drive that came with a machine, (even if same brand) usually breaks.
[10:12] <fishmonger> I've never used a WD SCSI drive, I didn't know they even made them.
[10:12] <Konlied> fishmonger: what is the most consistent brand you've used?
[10:13] <PurpleFly> these were all from dell on the their 2650 poweredge servers
[10:13] <fishmonger> I've always had good luck w/ WD, we go thru hundreds in the labs and I can't remember one failing.
[10:13] <linux_galore> <-- has a small pile of burned out Maxtors from his IBM mail server
[10:13] <fishmonger> Fujitsus  have always been good too.
[10:13] <yojimbo> Is there a mailing list that deals with Ubuntu as a server OS, rather than a desktop?
[10:14] <Keemy> QDI P2PE/800 ProIntel 82845PE MCH chipset 400/533MHz FSB DDR SDRAM 1 AGP - 5 PCI slots Modem Audio LAN ATX Pentium 4 1.7GHz to Sock 478 Celeron
[10:14] <linux_galore> naaw fuji had a really bad run a few years ago had to recall a whole load of hardisks
[10:14] <fishmonger> Seagates seem to croak the most on me.  But that also just may be because of what i was doing at the time - testing SATA drives way before they went retail.
[10:14] <Amaranth> linux_galore: I got 3 free drives sent to me from Maxtor in as many months. Finally they swapped our 40GB for a 60GB and we didn't have problems until just after it went out of warranty.
[10:14] <Keemy> that's the motherboard i bought
[10:14] <linux_galore> Amaranth: I gave up on maxtor went to with seagate...they still burn out but they last longer on the servers
[10:15] <Vince-0> Has any1 had experience with ATI drivers - I need some help installing >?
[10:15] <poof> is there a nice video editor for ubuntu?
[10:15] <Amaranth> linux_galore: I had a Seagate drive freeze (left it outside) and it still worked for a year after that. :)
[10:15] <linux_galore> I got a whole batch of new Gigabyte intel i848 based motherboard....works 100% in Linux.....fast as hell too with the 2.6 kernel
[10:16] <Keemy> i had an old gateway in the garage over 2 winters in minnesota and it worked perfectly
[10:16] <linux_galore> nice too see gigabyte making motherboard that work well with Linux
[10:16] <fishmonger> 848 is just 865 with one memory channel turned off.  865 has _great_ support.
[10:16] <fishmonger> most intel chipsets have pretty good support though.
[10:16] <tha_gm|onaquest> poof editing what type of video? kino does DV
[10:17] <poof> AVI or Mpeg... I use Xvid codec in windows...
[10:17] <Vince-0> how do I restart my eht0 if it craps out ?
[10:17] <tha_gm|onaquest> poof, I dunno, I know there are some out there...
[10:17] <linux_galore> fishmonger: i845's were horrible found cheap $40 sis650 motherboard with a slower P4 were doing better
[10:18] <poof> Ok thanks anyways, i will look at the one you mentioned :)
[10:18] <Keemy> i had and AGP car that never worked in AGP in windows,... works like a charm in mandrake
[10:18] <Keemy> card
[10:18] <Vince-0> Any1 running ATI ?
[10:18] <linux_galore> not me I avoid ati like a rash
[10:19] <Keemy> 78 gigs? i'd never use a quarter of it
[10:19] <fishmonger> 845 w/ SDRAM or DDR?
[10:19] <fishmonger> SDRAM was slow as shit
[10:19] <Vince-0> linux_galore: I wish I knew previously
[10:19] <PurpleFly> Vince: yes... did you try the howto on ubuntoforums.org
[10:19] <crimsun> I use 2D, so it really doesn't matter what graphics card I have
[10:19] <linux_galore> fishmonger: DDR 266
[10:19] <HappyFool> Keemy: hah. 640k is enough for anyone! ;)
[10:19] <Amaranth> ATI does bi-monthly driver releases. Their next release is soon and they promised AMD64 drivers. :)
[10:19] <fishmonger> and they were bad?
[10:19] <linux_galore> fishmonger: the sis650 was running PC133
[10:19] <Vince-0> PurpleFly: lemme see ....
[10:19] <tha_gm|onaquest> poof, if you do find one for mpeg/avi-type files, please let me know,  I have a project comming up that would require such a program ^_^
[10:19] <fishmonger> I thought the 650 was the dual-channel DDR chipset ... or was the 650 the rambus one>?  i forget anymore
[10:20] <Keemy> i'll get a fast 40 gig HD
[10:20] <poof> blender has a video editor in it, it is verry basic tho...
[10:20] <fishmonger> been working on servers for so long .... ever since 845G ... what was that?  2001? ... brain dumped most of that stuff now.
[10:20] <tha_gm|onaquest> poof more basic than iMovie?
[10:20] <^_^> tha_gm|onaquest: you have used my nick them most here good on ya ^_^
[10:21] <linux_galore> Keemy: I have a neat trick of getting speed out of machines via the hardisk/s....I go buy the fastest scsi hardisk in a small size I can get and then just buy a generic seagate ATA drive
[10:21] <poof> well, it basicaly just lets you glue together a bunch of small clips to make a big clip...
[10:21] <fishmonger> oh nope, the 655 was dual channel, not the 650
[10:22] <linux_galore> I put  /  /usr  /etc on the scsi and /home is on the /generic
[10:22] <carlot> tha_gm|onaquest: almost there but not completely :)
[10:22] <linux_galore> fishmonger: the sis 650 was running sdram 133mhz  the intel mobo with the i845 was running DDR266
[10:23] <tha_gm|onaquest> carlot ok
[10:23] <fishmonger> yeah, i remember now ... the 650 had integrated gfx as well.
[10:23] <linux_galore> fishmonger: the default cpu's i had on the motherboards with the i845 was 2.4ghz P4 the sis 650 ones was P4 1.7Ghz and the sis stuff way way better
[10:24] <tha_gm|onaquest> thanks ^_^ !  I love that face, I use it probably TOO much... if there is such a thing ~_^
[10:24] <linux_galore> fishmonger: the 650 series did have agp or intergrated
[10:24] <^_^> tha_gm|onaquest: ^_^
[10:24] <tha_gm|onaquest> PurpleFly mind taking a stab at carlot's automount problem?
[10:25] <carlot> tha_gm|onaquest: good idea
[10:25] <linux_galore> fishmonger: sis 650 works fine just donr play games lol
[10:25] <PurpleFly> sure could try
[10:25] <carlot> tha_gm|onaquest: have been taking advantage of you...
[10:25] <linux_galore> well, not 3D games anyway
[10:25] <carlot> PurpleFly: hi there
[10:26] <carlot> PurpleFly: shall we move onto private?
[10:26] <tha_gm|onaquest> lol not taking advantage, i'm just out of ideas ^_^
[10:26] <PurpleFly> carlot: sure...
[10:27] <^_^> tha_gm|onaquest: me waves the #ubuntu-offtopic flag
[10:29] <tha_gm|onaquest> LOL
[10:29] <tha_gm|onaquest> no
[10:30] <linux_galore> hmm goto go Carnivale is on TV in 3 min
[10:30] <tha_gm|onaquest> later linux_galore
[10:31] <linux_galore> far plains clear skies to you all
[10:36] <cam_> mmm nice all wireless thanks to ndiswrapper
[10:37] <cam_> does anyone know if gambas is in any of the repositories?
[10:40] <crimsun> it's in hoary/universe and sid/main
[10:40] <crimsun> can't speak for warty
[10:41] <Cam> :/
[10:41] <crimsun> hang
[10:42] <crimsun> nope, not in warty
[10:43] <HappyFool> i haven't used it, but maybe you can get the src and install it in your home directory or in /opt
[10:44] <crimsun> it's conceivable
[10:44] <crimsun> Build-Depends doesn't look too daunting
[10:46] <carlot> Cam: have you got a minute for solving a ndiswrapper problem?
[10:49] <Cam> sure
[10:49] <Cam> i could try
[10:50] <randabis-wireles> yay
[10:50] <randabis-wireles> finally have my resolution back
[10:53] <fINITYcOOL> HOLY MOLY!!!!
[10:53] <tha_gm|onaquest> erph?
[10:53] <fINITYcOOL> A lot of people here.... lol
[10:53] <tha_gm|onaquest> lol
[10:53] <tha_gm|onaquest> um, one time I came in here, there was nearly 1000
[10:53] <Vaportrail> why not?
[10:54] <fINITYcOOL> I am new to linux
[10:54] <fINITYcOOL> so I am trying out this Distro
[10:55] <tha_gm|onaquest> fINITYcOOL, how you liking it so far?
[10:55] <fINITYcOOL> I like the fact the they send you free cd
[10:55] <fINITYcOOL> cd's
[10:55] <fINITYcOOL> but I don't have it yet :(
[10:55] <fINITYcOOL> just ordered it
[10:55] <fINITYcOOL> (56k modem)
[10:56] <tha_gm|onaquest> totally, well downloading is free... oh... ^_^
[10:56] <tha_gm|onaquest> well they only ship them out every 6 months right?
[10:56] <gen> you could download it on 56k faster then you'll get it in the mail ;)
[10:56] <frankps> moin, moin
[10:56] <HappyFool> i got mine this week - it was posted beginning december
[10:56] <tha_gm|onaquest> gen LOL good point ^_^
[10:56] <HappyFool> dial-up bites big time. and broadband is way overpriced around here
[10:57] <tha_gm|onaquest> should only take 3-4 days on dialup
[10:57] <fINITYcOOL> na tha... you get a new one every release (which is every 6 months), but  new customers get them in 4-6 weeks
[10:58] <frankps> buy a linux magazine that comes with ubuntu bundled
[10:58] <tha_gm|onaquest> odd, that's not  what my friend told me, i'll tell him to sign up for some now and he'll get it in 4-6
[10:58] <frankps> probably the easiest thing
[10:58] <fINITYcOOL> is it a good starting distro?
[10:58] <HappyFool> or find someone with broadband ;)
[10:59] <frankps> fINITYcOOL: I like it a lot. It is a quite complete Gnome distro
[10:59] <tha_gm|onaquest> fINITYcOOL yes, as easy as mandrake once you're inside, but the installer is not as easy ^_^
[11:00] <frankps> installation is also quite easy, but not graphical
[11:00] <tha_gm|onaquest> yea it walks you through it, but some stuff could be "easier"
[11:01] <HappyFool> the one thing it could do is ask all the questions at once, and then go away and install
[11:02] <tha_gm|onaquest> HappyFool, like SuSe? sometimes thats good, sometimes that method drives me nuts...
[11:02] <HappyFool> well, it means you can go have coffee or something while your computer is busy ;)
[11:02] <tha_gm|onaquest> HappyFool or play on my DS ^_^
[11:03] <fishmonger> sigh, stupid broadcom driver
[11:03] <randabis-wireles> well, hoary upgrade is complete finally...just gotta figure out why my sound isn't working
[11:05] <frankps> randabis-wireles: when I now reinstalled my ubuntu installation and upgraded to hoary, sound worked for the first time (Dell Latitude D600)
[11:06] <frankps> But I have a problem with Muine. No sound from that particular application
[11:06] <da_bon_bon> hey, anyone here can play .3gp files with audio ?
[11:08] <randabis-wireles> i had sound at first, but no sound now
[11:08] <randabis-wireles> none period
[11:08] <randabis-wireles> checked the obvious things
[11:08] <randabis-wireles> everything checks out
[11:08] <randabis-wireles> so I dunno
[11:09] <randabis-wireles> my sound modules are loaded
[11:09] <randabis-wireles> so I don't know
[11:09] <tha_gm|onaquest> hrm... external harddrive via firewire not working ...
[11:09] <crimsun> frankps: is muine the only application with that problem?
[11:10] <randabis-wireles> is it being detected?
[11:10] <frankps> crimsun: yes
[11:10] <tha_gm|onaquest> randabis-wireles yes, it is, it gives some errors though
[11:10] <randabis-wireles> hmm
[11:11] <da_bon_bon> where do i get the sarm codec for xine ?
[11:12] <crimsun> frankps: hmm, are you using Hoary?
[11:12] <tha_gm|onaquest> radnabis-wireless let me paste you the errors in pm ok?
[11:12] <randabis-wireles> don't bother...I probably can't help you
[11:12] <tha_gm|onaquest> lol ok ^_^
[11:12] <randabis-wireles> no experience with that
[11:12] <tha_gm|onaquest> me either
[11:12] <tha_gm|onaquest> usually it just works
[11:12] <tha_gm|onaquest> it might be the hard drive, let me try htat
[11:12] <HappyFool> da_bon_bon: i don't know about the specific codecs you've mentioned, but have you looked at ubuntuguide.org?
[11:12] <tha_gm|onaquest> that*
[11:12] <randabis-wireles> I just ask the obvious things :p
[11:13] <da_bon_bon> HappyFool: yes. i cant play 3gp files - video is fine, no audio.
[11:15] <HappyFool> da_bon_bon: sorry, got no idea. Maybe try installing mplayer and all its attendant codecs? I think a version of mplayer is available via apt-get
[11:15] <da_bon_bon> HappyFool: i have xine with the w32 codecs installed
[11:15] <crimsun> frankps: ?
[11:15] <frankps> crimsun: yes
[11:16] <crimsun> frankps: when did you last update and upgrade?
[11:16] <randabis-wireles> wonder when the zsnes package in hoary will be updated to 1.40
[11:17] <frankps> I did a clean install yesterday with hoary upgrade, installation of mono, tomboy, muine and f-spot
[11:17] <HappyFool> da_bon_bon: as i said, i don't really know much more. all i can say is mplayer impressed me when i ran it on fc2, but i haven't installed it on ubuntu yet
[11:17] <crimsun> frankps: mono in hoary/universe, or ...?
[11:17] <lexhider> don't try it from multiverse, it's stuffed.
[11:17] <crimsun> frankps: if you compiled from upstream source, I can't help you.
[11:18] <frankps> crimsun: I am not sure, got it through apt-get
[11:18] <Cam> can anyone help me? when im trying to install gambas I get a error
[11:18] <Cam> checking for XOpenDisplay in -lX11... no
[11:18] <Cam> configure: error: *** libX11 not found. Check 'config.log' for more details.
[11:18] <frankps> crimsun: nothing compiled
[11:18] <Cam> but libX11 is installed.
[11:18] <frankps> crimsun: all through apt-get
[11:18] <Cam> and I can find it in /usr/X11R6/libs
[11:18] <Cam> it also says checking for X... no
[11:18] <crimsun> frankps: dpkg -l muine|grep ^ii|awk -F' ' '{print $3}'
[11:19] <crimsun> Cam: you need xlibs-dev
[11:20] <frankps> crimsun: 0.6.3-4
[11:20] <crimsun> frankps: wait til -5 hits main.
[11:20] <crimsun> (it's in sid, so it should move over quickly)
[11:21] <frankps> crimsun: ah, ok
[11:24] <crimsun> frankps: some other things to try include removing the muine keys using the gconf editor and mv ~/.gnome2/muine ~/.gnome2/muine_backup
[11:24] <Cam> soooo many deps :(
[11:24] <Cam> lol
[11:29] <broodster> How do i see what kernal version im using?
[11:29] <broodster> is there a command?
[11:29] <tha_gm|onaquest> uname -r
[11:29] <tha_gm|onaquest> uname -a if you want even more info ^_^
[11:29] <broodster> thanks
[11:29] <tha_gm|onaquest> np
[11:29] <tha_gm|onaquest> ok i'm going to install totem-xine, but it want's to remove ubuntu-desktop ? @_@
[11:31] <Cam> dont worry about that
[11:31] <Cam> its just a link to all over packages
[11:34] <Cam> metapackage is the name
[11:34] <thursday> i get the following error when running modprobe fglrx, Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): No such device. i followed the how-to on the forums :( anyone think they can help me?
[11:34] <Vaportrail> thursday: try sudo modprobe fglrx
[11:34] <Vaportrail> with sudo :)
[11:34] <thursday> the only problem was that i don't have /proc/pci, but lspci shows it
[11:35] <thursday> Vaportrail, okay let me try it with sudo
[11:35] <thursday> Vaportrail, same error... I was root before, I ran sudo -s prior to modprobe.
[11:36] <Vaportrail> ah k, didn't know
[11:37] <thursday> i wonder what device file it's looking for... the kernel module is where it should be
[11:37] <HappyFool> i guess /proc/pci is /proc/bus/pci, but i would guess lspci looks at /proc/bus/pci/devices anyway (?)
[11:38] <AlvaroBF> hi
[11:38] <HappyFool> thursday: see man MAKEDEV: No such device normally means the kernel does not have the driver configured or loaded
[11:40] <thursday> ok let me try that
[11:41] <AlvaroBF> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/weekly-dvd/20050108/
[11:41] <AlvaroBF> a hoary dvd
[11:41] <AlvaroBF> :D
[11:41] <^_^> lol
[11:42] <^_^> CDimages....
[11:42] <^_^> lol
[11:42] <AlvaroBF> yes
[11:43] <thursday> MAKEDEV -n # did nothing =\
[11:43] <arauko> Hello.
[11:43] <HappyFool> sorry, i was just trying to help you diagnose the error
[11:44] <thursday> oh i was just hoping you would have another sudgestion :) thanks for trying
[11:48] <arauko> Ubuntu is a Debian based distro right?
[11:48] <crimsun> arauko: yes.
[11:48] <arauko> Good.
[11:48] <arauko> crimsun, what are the main differences?
[11:48] <Blobbo> Question: Is there KDE for Ubuntu?
[11:48] <crimsun> Blobbo: in 'universe'.
[11:49] <Blobbo> Muh?
[11:49] <Blobbo> Is that after warty?
[11:49] <Vaportrail> yes it is, but not supported by cannoncial
[11:49] <Vaportrail> no, in warty
[11:49] <crimsun> arauko: 6-month release schedule. Supported for 18 months. Emphasis on GNOME.
[11:50] <Vaportrail> crimsun: you forgot the nice community :)
[11:50] <Blobbo> For what reasons is Ubuntu better than Debian?
[11:50] <crimsun> Vaportrail: yes, that's a rather glaring omission, sorry. ;)
[11:51] <Vaportrail> np :)
[11:51] <crimsun> Blobbo: well, one could consider those reasons above.
[11:52] <Blobbo> Hmm, yes. But what differences in the OS release itself are there?
[11:52] <crimsun> Blobbo: between stable releases of Debian vs. Ubuntu?
[11:52] <Vaportrail> ubuntu brok my 11,5 years microsoft era
[11:53] <Vaportrail> s/brok/broke
[11:53] <Blobbo> crimsun - Aye.
[11:53] <carlot> hi there, just a quick question: does ndiswrapper work with a standard warty kernel or do I have to upgrade, download something?
[11:54] <AlvaroBF> How I can install bootsplash?? on 2.6.10 kernel (hoary)
[11:54] <carlot> How can I check if ndiswrapper support is built into my kernel?
[11:54] <crimsun> Blobbo: Ubuntu releases are much more current than their Debian counterparts. Some of the packages are named differently; some of the pools are named differently ('universe' vs. 'contrib', etc.); Ubuntu applies additional patches against their Linux images; Ubuntu includes support for "restricted" components like graphics drivers; etc.
[11:55] <Blobbo> I see.
[11:55] <SirFred> Hi.
[11:55] <Vaportrail> my ubuntu fails to synchronize time with the timeserver and if I try it in Gnome it says, that the NTP-Support doesn't run, what to do?
[11:56] <HappyFool> try a different time server, maybe?
[11:56] <Vaportrail> the ntp-support on my machine doesn't run, so how to try another server?
[11:57] <HappyFool> i edited /etc/default/ntpdate and changed the timeserver entry
[11:57] <crimsun> what did you change it to?
[11:57] <HappyFool> then did sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart
[11:57] <HappyFool> err, tick.nml.csir.co.za
[11:58] <HappyFool> i forget where there's a list of timeservers
[11:58] <crimsun> pool.ntp.org should be the default.
[11:58] <mz2> is there a way of getting the menu entries created when packages are installed? most of what i install from the non-ubuntu sources seem to not have them
[11:58] <HappyFool> it was ntp.ubuntulinux.org
[11:58] <HappyFool> which was not set by me, unless my memory is failing ;)
[11:58] <arauko> But i would like to know more a techincal advantage of Ubuntu.
[11:59] <crimsun> HappyFool: oh, yes, it is. Sorry. My base is Debian.
[11:59] <crimsun> arauko: much tighter integration of Python and GNOME as basis of the distro.
[11:59] <crimsun> arauko: additional patches applied to Debian packages.
[11:59] <Vaportrail> ok, thx HappyFool n crimsun :), seemed to be the server
[12:00] <HappyFool> Vaportrail: look here for timeserver addresses: http://ntp.isc.org/bin/view/Servers/WebHome
[12:00] <Vaportrail> thx
[12:00] <thursday> is it possible to fix this error? ./MAKEDEV: don't know what "drm" is
[12:00] <crimsun> arauko: emphasis on secure-by-default without the need for an active, default iptables ruleset.
[12:00] <crimsun> arauko: (e.g., portmap listens on 127.0.0.1)
[12:03] <arauko> Ah ok.
[12:03] <crimsun> back later.
[12:11] <tha_gm|onaquest> later all good chatting
[12:18] <^_^> #ubuntu-offtopic is at a ll time low :(
[12:19] <scriptkittie> Hello
[12:19] <michealbolton> is there a way I can make apt ignore a package?
[12:20] <scriptkittie> I am having trouble getting connect to xs4all.nl dsl
[12:20] <grepper> michealbolton, you mean put a hold on it so its not upgraded ?
[12:20] <michealbolton> yes
[12:21] <grepper> echo <package> hold | dpkg --set-selections
[12:21] <michealbolton> thanks
[12:21] <grepper> np
[12:21] <michealbolton> how can I take it off of the hold list?
[12:21] <ericf> Why is it that a /dev/dvd symlink to /media/cdrom1 or /dev/hdd are removed at reboot?
[12:21] <grepper> echo <package> install | dpkg --set-selections
[12:22] <michealbolton> thank you
[12:22] <felixdz> Hi I am having trouble getting on the internet with xs4all.nl in the Netherlands
[12:22] <grepper> has archive.ubuntu.com been down intermittently all night ?
[12:23] <michealbolton> ericf: on my system the symlinks stay but the folder /media/cdrom0 gets removed everytime i reboot
[12:23] <ericf> felixdz: adsl? have you got a modem that does the connecting, and running a dhcp server?
[12:23] <ericf> michealbolton: I see, so i figured I would link it to /dev/hdd directly, but such a link doesn't stay either
[12:23] <felixdz> I'll post the helpdesk link to the ISP with my modem type
[12:23] <felixdz> http://www.xs4all.nl/helpdesk/abonnement/adsl/alcatel/ethernet/kpnadsl/linux/configureren.html
[12:24] <felixdz> Can anybody talk me through what I need to do to get ubuntu connected to the Internet
[12:24] <felixdz> ?
[12:24] <ericf> felixdz: connecting with ppp-stuff is not nice, but you're lucky you've got xs4all for that ;)
[12:26] <ericf> felixdz: apt-get install pptp-linux ppp
[12:26] <felixdz> ericf thanks
[12:26] <carlot> hi everybody, just succesfully installed ndiswrapper and chatting remotely WiFi... Yaiii!
[12:26] <ericf> felixdz: then follow the instructions on the site. If you got it working once, remember how you did it so you can automate it for next bootup
[12:27] <carlot> can anybody tell how to display the signal strength icon now?
[12:27] <ericf> but felixdz, wait
[12:27] <carlot> suppose I need enable something for that
[12:28] <ericf> felixdz: I think I know that modem. You can flash the firmware to upgrade it, then it's a stand-alone modem that connects by itself, and runs dhcp. Much easier, and you can connect it to a hub and let multiple computers connect to the Internet
[12:29] <ericf> felixdz: http://www.weethet.nl/dutch/adsl_mxstream_alcatelhack.php , of course other sites can be found with google
[12:30] <felixdz> Thanks again ericf. Ben jij Nederlander?
[12:30] <ericf> felixdz: Ja ;)
[12:30] <felixdz> I am Australian but I am converting my Dutch girlfreind to linux
[12:30] <SirFred> Flash plugin is crashing my firefox. Is anybody else experimenting this behaviour.
[12:30] <SirFred> I'm on Hoary.
[12:30] <ernstp> hello
[12:31] <SirFred> The program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error.
[12:31] <SirFred> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[12:31] <SirFred> The error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'.
[12:31] <SirFred>   (Details: serial 117 error_code 8 request_code 147 minor_code 3)
[12:31] <ernstp> I'm having problems with pmount on hoary
[12:31] <SirFred> For any flash plugin firefox loads, I got that.
[12:31] <ernstp> there is no /usr/bin/pmount, only pmount-hal
[12:32] <ericf> SirFred: I had it too. Don't know what to do about it :)
[12:32] <SirFred> ernstp: Same here with pmount.
[12:32] <SirFred> ericf: Do you know if there's any bugzilla entry about it?
[12:32] <ernstp> SirFred, ok.. Checking som forums right now
[12:32] <ericf> felixdz: then better immediately get a dutch passport, you will need to do some support weekly ;)
[12:32] <ericf> SirFred: No clue, but I'd think so
[12:33] <ericf> brb
[12:33] <SirFred> Another problem: My data CDs are not mounted automatically.
[12:33] <SirFred> I've opened a bug with that (5339)
[12:34] <SirFred> It's seems a HAL problem.
[12:34] <ernstp> SirFred, that's the pmount thing
[12:34] <SirFred> ernstp: Humm, I started hal in debug and no daemon mode.
[12:34] <ernstp> Try running "killall gnome-volume-manager; gnome-volume-manager --gtk-debug=all"
[12:34] <SirFred> And I found this message:
[12:35] <SirFred> 15:49:08.544 [W]  hald_dbus.c:97: No property volume.policy.desired_mount_point on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_Criminal y Decen
[12:35] <SirFred> Perhaps this has no relation, and it's only a warning.
[12:36] <SirFred> ericf: I'm going to try that
[12:36] <SnowMann> hallo zusammen
[12:36] <SirFred> ericf: You're right.
[12:36] <ericf> SirFred: about what?
[12:37] <SirFred> -rwsr-xr--  1 root plugdev 22776 2005-01-06 14:06 /usr/bin/pmount
[12:37] <SirFred> ericf: It's there but you cannot execute it.
[12:37] <SirFred> ericf: Perhaps it's as easy as change the permissions.
[12:38] <SirFred> manager.c/789: New Device: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_Criminal y Decen
[12:38] <SirFred> manager.c/825: Changed: /dev/hdc
[12:38] <SirFred> /usr/bin/pmount-hal: line 79: /usr/bin/pmount: Permiso denegado
[12:38] <SirFred> /usr/bin/pmount-hal: line 79: exec: /usr/bin/pmount: cannot execute: Conseguido
[12:38] <daniels> SirFred: you need to be in the plugdev group
[12:38] <SirFred> It complains about 'permission denied' while trying to mount the CD.
[12:38] <SirFred> daniels: Perhaps the problem is that I upgraded from Hoary.
[12:38] <ernstp> On my computer /usr/bin/pmount was actually missing, pmount-hal was there
[12:39] <SirFred> daniels: And so, I'm not on the right groups.
[12:39] <SirFred> ernstp: You sure?
[12:39] <SirFred> ernstp: Do you have the pmount package installed?
[12:39] <SnowMann> cu @all
[12:39] <ernstp> SirFred, yeah. Purged it and reinstalled it, now it's there
[12:39] <ernstp> SirFred, cource, it's a dep from gnome-volume-manager
[12:40] <SirFred> ernstp: Now, we need to be in the plugdev group.
[12:40] <ernstp> SirFred, Yes, I'm going to relogin now, since I'm added to the group
[12:40] <SirFred> So do I.
[12:40] <ernstp> There's a checkbox for it in user manager I think
[12:42] <carlot> hi everybody. couls somebody pls tell me how to automate loading a module?
[12:43] <carlot> in other words how to avoid having to manually sudo modprobe mymodule?
[12:43] <Vaportrail> carlot put it into /etc/modules
[12:43] <carlot> Vaportrail: what?
[12:43] <SirFred> Great! It works now
[12:43] <Vaportrail> carlot: the name of your modul
[12:43] <carlot> Vaportrail: the module?
[12:43] <ericf> carlot: it's name
[12:43] <SirFred> Well, I have to update the bug report.
[12:44] <SirFred> Now, my only problem is the firefox one.
[12:44] <carlot> modules is a text file?
[12:44] <Vaportrail> carlot: sudo gedit /etc/modules
[12:44] <carlot> Vaportrail: thanks will do right now
[12:44] <SirFred> Well, another problem I have is that when I logout, some processes of my user are still around.
[12:45] <SirFred> A gnome-panel, some bonobo stuff and the gam_server
[12:45] <SirFred> I have to kill them from a terminal for the following login to be correct.
[12:49] <zAo^> morning :)
[12:51] <Vaportrail> noon
[12:53] <zAo^> how is the nforce4 support in IA64?
[12:54] <SirFred> It seems that gdk_x_error() doesn't exist anymore.
[12:54] <SirFred> I'm trying to break firefox with gdb on that funcion but there isn't.
[01:02] <HappyFool> well, i'm not gdb expert, but my libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.400.10 is stripped. Hm. Come to think of it, how would the func be found by the linker then?
[01:03] <SirFred> HappyFool: Well, that's not a problem.
[01:03] <SirFred> HappyFool: The debugger nows the name of the functions, but not its parametrization.
[01:03] <SirFred> HappyFool: Have in mind that the names need to be known to do the linkage stuff.
[01:04] <SirFred> HappyFool: To ilustrate it, just try an objdump -T <some_stripped_so_lib>
[01:05] <SirFred> HappyFool: You should see the symbol names.
[01:05] <HappyFool> SirFred: ah-ha.
[01:06] <SirFred> HappyFool: What you don't have is another debug info.
[01:06] <SirFred> HappyFool: Like the function parameters, source code link,...
[01:07] <HappyFool> SirFred: cool, thanks. I've used nm to track down link errors in the past, but objdump looks more useful
[01:07] <HappyFool> or at least, differently useful ;)
[01:08] <SirFred> HappyFool: objdump has a lot of other options. You can disassemble, for example.
[01:09] <SirFred> What is the supposed way to setup ppp dialups in Ubuntu?
[01:09] <SirFred> Better said: supported way
[01:09] <HappyFool> the DialupHowto uses pppconfig
[01:10] <SirFred> HappyFool: That's a text utility. I expected some expectacular gnome app, with lights and music.
[01:10] <HappyFool> which is how i got it to work, but i was using the wrong username with the gnome ppp setup, so its not a valid comparison
[01:11] <HappyFool> computer->system configuration->networking->Add (or use the wizard that seems to come up if you have no interaces)
[01:12] <SirFred> OK
[01:14] <SirFred> Humm, I created some time ago a new device on /dev using mknod.
[01:14] <SirFred> But it's gone. Is there any way to make them persistent?
[01:15] <HappyFool> i dunno. my /dev/modem also disappeared after i booted
[01:15] <SirFred> Oh, I see it's back after reloading the module.
[01:15] <SirFred> Interesting.
[01:21] <da_bon_bon> when i open GMail, i get alerts in firefox saying "0" doesnt happen on any other site
[01:22] <Vaportrail> just saying "O"?
[01:22] <Vaportrail> da_bon_bon which firefox version?
[01:22] <da_bon_bon> Vaportrail: yes. 0. ff - 1.0.2
[01:23] <Vaportrail> hmm
[01:24] <da_bon_bon> Vaportrail: strange, isnt it.. i get a "alert" box kindof what u get in javascript
[01:25] <Vaportrail> gmail uses javascript
[01:26] <da_bon_bon> Vaportrail: thats why... any idea ?
[01:26] <Vaportrail> da_bon_bon: I'm sorry, no ideas yet
[01:34] <SirFred> Do you know any way to burn clonecd images on linux?
[01:35] <ericf> How do I move my girlfriend's windows-azureus-halfdownloads to Ubuntu? Simply filling in the path of the half-downloads obviously is not enough.
[01:36] <svenl> Hi.
[01:37] <svenl> I need to run galeon on ubuntu, but it doesn't seem to be available.
[01:37] <ericf> svenl: probably in universe. Add it in synaptic, or if you don't know how to, see ubuntuguide.org
[01:37] <felixdz> hello
[01:37] <daniels> svenl: oh, while you're here -- booted my pegasos for the first time yesterday
[01:37] <daniels> svenl: it seems to be totally broken with more than one video card?
[01:38] <svenl> daniels: cool.
[01:38] <daniels> svenl: with an agp r128 and a pci g400, neither one worked (the r128 was blank, the mga had random stuff all over the screen)
[01:38] <cafeina> hello
[01:38] <svenl> daniels: well, i think the problem is that only one of them is initialized by the Of.
[01:38] <daniels> but when i took the g400 out, the r128 worked fine
[01:38] <daniels> svenl: neither of them were initialised right
[01:38] <svenl> daniels: are those x86 cards, or mac ones ?
[01:39] <daniels> svenl: both x86, but the r128 at least works fine when it's by itself (didn't try the g400, ran out of time)
[01:39] <svenl> i think the problem is the g400, i heard report about this, and since in dual card mode, the initialized one is the pci one, you have problem.
[01:39] <svenl> can you try the g400 alone next time ?
[01:40] <svenl> mmm, i don't really need to run galeon, but i have a password stored in the galeon password database, which i dont remember, and i need it to modify the password of the site :/
[01:40] <felixdz> When filling in the /etc/ppp/pap-secrets file is the format like this:   username@xs4all-basic-adsl * password  or....
[01:41] <daniels> svenl: sure, not today though
[01:41] <felixdz> username@xs4all-basic-adsl    password?
[01:41] <svenl> ok, keep me informed.
[01:42] <svenl> ericf: nope, i have the universe lines uncomented.
[01:43] <carlot> hi guys, just need a final push for completing a new warty install
[01:43] <svenl> Oh, this sucks, there is epiphany, but not galeon :/
[01:43] <daniels> svenl: galeon is in universe
[01:43] <svenl> wonder if it will take the galeon user-data stuff.
[01:43] <carlot> what to do to get totem/xine to work an all avi videos?
[01:43] <svenl> daniels: apt-get seems to not think so.
[01:43] <svenl> (on amd64 warthy).
[01:44] <carlot> I have downloaded win32-codecs from Marillat
[01:44] <carlot> still to no effect
[01:44] <daniels> svenl: have you enabled universe?
[01:44] <carlot> I get Audio but no video on Totem
[01:44] <carlot> does anybody know how to fix that?
[01:44] <svenl> daniels: i uncomented the universe lines and did an apt-get update yes.
[01:44] <daniels> svenl: weird
[01:45] <svenl> Mmm, it is not ephiphany, but epiphany the game :/
[01:45] <daniels> svenl: epiphany-browser
[01:45] <{GoldenEye}> hello to all!
[01:46] <svenl> Mmm, what is multiverse for ?
[01:46] <{GoldenEye}> Here in portugal time is: 12:46pm
[01:46] <Vaportrail> and?
[01:46] <daniels> svenl: multiverse is to universe as restricted is to main
[01:46] <daniels> svenl: i.e. non-free + not actively maintained
[01:46] <svenl> bah, why did you guys modify everything :/
[01:47] <SirFred> carlot: Are you using totem-gstreamer or totem-xine.
[01:47] <svenl> ah, found galeon in universe indeed.
[01:47] <daniels> svenl: which modifications don't you like?
[01:47] <SirFred> carlot: I'm not able to put totem-gstreamer to work properly, at least the one-week-ago version.
[01:47] <carlot> SirFred: not sure
[01:47] <SirFred> carlot: dpkg -l totem*
[01:48] <carlot> SirFred: so what do you recommend?
[01:48] <carlot> SirFred: just Totem?
[01:48] <svenl> daniels: strange archive names :)
[01:48] <SirFred> carlot: No, for me the one that works is totem-xine.
[01:48] <svenl> daniels: found galeon, could it be that it is part of hoary and not wharty (or however those are spelled) ?
[01:48] <SirFred> carlot: Try installing totem-xine
[01:49] <daniels> svenl: (hoary, warty); it's possible that it was ftbfs for warty and didn't get fixed in time given that not only is universe not actively maintained, but we were all incredibly busy in the run up to warty
[01:49] <carlot> SirFred: OK I will right now, we are talking Warty of course?
[01:49] <SirFred> carlot: Well, I'm using Hoary now, but I had this problem in my Warty days.
[01:49] <svenl> daniels: do you think the hoary galeon will install on warty ?
[01:49] <svenl> daniels: did you modify your glibc for hoary ?
[01:50] <carlot> SirFred: let me check and try will come back to you
[01:50] <svenl> daniels: did you get easily ubuntu running on the pegasos ?
[01:51] <daniels> svenl: maybe, not really, haven't tried yet
[01:51] <SirFred> carlot: OK. Good luck.
[01:51] <daniels> svenl: still rsyncing the archive, and i've got too much other stuff to do today anyway
[01:51] <carlot> SirFred: it was gstreamer installed, I am getting totem-xine now
[01:54] <svenl> damn, faleon won't install :/
[01:54] <svenl> galeon even.
[01:56] <daniels> hm, I wish zsh's spelling correction dealt with missplaced spaces
[01:56] <daniels> e.g. unam e-a -> uname -a
[01:57] <carlot> SirFred: it worked, thanks
[01:57] <SirFred> carlot: np
[01:57] <carlot> SirFred: what's the issue with gstreamer?
[01:57] <SirFred> carlot: I'm not sure.
[01:58] <carlot> SirFred: OK we will see
[01:58] <SirFred> carlot: Perhaps the codecs you need are not supported, perhaps it's not stable enough.
[01:58] <SirFred> carlot: But xine seems to do the work better by now.
[01:58] <entius> hi, if i want to configure my mouse, is there any graphical ide to do this in ubuntu?
[01:58] <carlot> SirFred: will stick to that one till Hoary arrives...
[01:58] <carlot> thanks
[01:59] <scoon> entius, gnome has a setup option called mouse, and you are not looking for an IDE unless you are writing code.
[02:00] <entius> sorry for the ide, better gui i guess :D
[02:00] <scoon> entius, no worries, just thought you should know to know.
[02:01] <entius> i've run the mouse option, but this doesn't allow me to say which model of mouse i have (with scroll wheel)
[02:03] <xukun> what do I need to change in menu.lst to get those nice small fonts during boot? This is what I have now in there vga=0x317
[02:03] <scoon> entius, search the forums www.ubuntuforums.org
[02:03] <entius> ok
[02:05] <svenl> daniels: how stable is hoary compared to debian/sid ?
[02:07] <daniels> svenl: works fine for me
[02:07] <svenl> daniels: yeah, that doesn't really respond to the question though.
[02:07] <daniels> svenl: it's synced from sid, and our modifications odn't really break anything
[02:07] <daniels> so no less stable
[02:08] <svenl> daniels: thanks.
[02:09] <svenl> wonder why apt-get install galeon tells me some bullshit about libgnomevfs, but apt-get install libgnomevfs works though.
[02:09] <svenl> and then apt-get install galeon works.
[02:09] <svenl> I think there is something quite fishy (buggy even) in apt-get dependency handling.
[02:12] <xukun> daniels, I have vga=0x317 in /boot/grub/menu.lst but I still have big fonts when booting. Any idea?
[02:15] <daniels> xukun: try vga=317 instad of vga=0x317
[02:16] <xukun> daniels, thanks
[02:18] <ArCHoNKoG> is there a way you can upgrade from sarge to hoary ?
[02:18] <ArCHoNKoG> and not break your system
[02:18] <Nonphasis> ArCHoNKoG: why not go via warty?
[02:19] <ArCHoNKoG> no debian sarge
[02:19] <Nonphasis> ArCHoNKoG: well, you can update Sarge -> Warty anh Warty -> Hoary, so...
[02:19] <ArCHoNKoG> i just want gnome 2.9.3
[02:20] <gsuveg> re
[02:20] <ArCHoNKoG> nothing else
[02:20] <scrooch> how about compiling it yourself within debian
[02:20] <gsuveg> whats de default rc level ?
[02:20] <scrooch> jhbuild
[02:20] <Krapmeister> can anyone offer some setup assistance for a newbie with zero linux experience?
[02:20] <Nonphasis> ArCHoNKoG: yes, compiling it might break less stuff
[02:20] <scrooch> garnome
[02:20] <gsuveg> rc5 right ?
[02:20] <ArCHoNKoG> so compili it my self
[02:21] <Nonphasis> I rememberthe days of yore when I tried to compile Gnome... it was very painful
[02:22] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: just ask, nobody is going to answer *that* question
[02:23] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: meta-questions don't really work in irc :-)
[02:23] <Krapmeister> ok.. i've just installed unbuntu and am trying to get it to recognise my USB ADSL modem and set up an internet connection..
[02:24] <Krapmeister> i can't see any guides on how to do this in the online documentation..
[02:24] <Nonphasis> ah, USB ADSL... that might be problematic
[02:24] <mjr> usb adsl might be a hairy deal, though I hear some of them work
[02:25] <mjr> what you'd really want is an adsl modem with an ethernet interface
[02:25] <Nonphasis> There should be a warning on USB ADSL boxes that say "This device may suck"
[02:27] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: you googled with the model name of your adsl box?
[02:27] <Krapmeister> i googled and cam up with one really complex solution...
[02:28] <comforteagle> How do I permanently set my hostname in Ubuntu? Using Computer->Sys Config->-Networking...hostname isn't working if I "hostname -f"
[02:28] <scriptkitty2> hello
[02:29] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: well, that's what you have to deal with when usinc complicated tech like usb adsl modems...
[02:29] <Krapmeister> it required i install something called eci-adsl, so i downloaded that but can't istall it to my linux system as it requires me to put files in directories which i don't have read/write/view permissions for
[02:29] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: of course you have permissions
[02:29] <scriptkitty2> Can anybody tell me how to install a netherlands version of gnome and a netherlands version of openoffice.org
[02:29] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: you have to got the superuser porms
[02:30] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: sudo cp * /target/folder
[02:30] <Krapmeister> well i keep getting error messages telling me i don't
[02:30] <Freduardo> scriptkitty2, open synaptic and search for open office
[02:31] <Freduardo> then you'll get a list of files and in that list there should be some dutch language files
[02:31] <Freduardo> i think
[02:31] <scriptkitty2> Thanks Freduardo
[02:31] <Freduardo> np
[02:31] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: can you use the terminal?
[02:32] <no0tic> hi all!
[02:32] <Krapmeister> i'm not familiar with the terminal commands
[02:32] <no0tic> how can I tell hotkeys to start at boot?
[02:33] <jonmasters> I put it in my GNOME session by hand. There is probably a better way.
[02:33] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: sudo cp /source/file /target/dir
[02:34] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: allows you to copy a file to a dir yoe don't normally have permissions to access
[02:34] <Krapmeister> so i have to copy each file individually?
[02:34] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: sudo nautilus might work as well
[02:34] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: you can use * or list all the files also
[02:34] <no0tic> jonmasters: how did you do that?
[02:35] <Krapmeister> is there anyway i can just change these directory permissions?
[02:35] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: yes
[02:36] <Vince-0> How do I run synaptic in KDE ?
[02:36] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: sudo chmod og+rwx /target/dir
[02:36] <xav> hi
[02:37] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: the same works for files you might want to make editable
[02:38] <xav> is it possible to compile a new module not provided by ubuntu ?
[02:38] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: you can revert the porms by doing og-rwx instead of og+rwx
[02:38] <xav> its a cpufreq driver
[02:38] <cafeina> hello
[02:38] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: perms rather
[02:38] <cafeina> I have problem installing Ubuntu 4.10 on an AMD Athlon64
[02:38] <xav> and I'm using kernel-image-686, so I don't have the source
[02:38] <xav> I can't add any modules then?
[02:38] <cafeina> Everything goes well,but...
[02:39] <Nonphasis> xav: get the kernel source
[02:39] <cafeina> Ubuntu does not add windows installation to grub
[02:39] <cafeina> and...
[02:39] <xav> Nonphasis, I know I can do it this way, but some ppl are against compiling a custom kernel
[02:39] <cafeina> ...on the first reboot I get GRUB error 16: Inconsistent filesystem structure
[02:40] <xav> they tell there is no need to change the default precompiled kernel
[02:40] <Nonphasis> xav: the module didn't come with install guide & own makefile?
[02:40] <xav> so I thought there was maybe a way to add modules
[02:41] <Krapmeister> "changing permsissions not permitted"
[02:41] <Krapmeister> this is not good
[02:41] <xav> I don't know. but it isn't loaded by hotplug, and it isn't in /lib/modules either
[02:41] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: you did "sudo"?
[02:41] <Vince-0> cafeina : edit ur /boot/grub/menu - add in XP to boot there ...
[02:41] <cafeina> Vince-0, but I cannot boot in ubuntu
[02:41] <cafeina> I get error 16
[02:41] <Vince-0> oh
[02:41] <Vince-0> damn
[02:41] <Vince-0> I dunno what 16 is
[02:42] <Aron_Figaro> hey all
[02:42] <Nonphasis> cafeina: google for grub error 16
[02:42] <Vince-0> I get 17 with my other distro - frikkin rash
[02:42] <cafeina> Vince-0 Inconsistent filesystem structure
[02:42] <Aron_Figaro> anyone use OpenOffice a lot?
[02:42] <Vince-0> cafeina: did you make your partitions correctly ?
[02:42] <Aron_Figaro> How do I modify my default page settings?
[02:42] <Vince-0> cafeina: check the ubuntu how to'z
[02:43] <cafeina> Vince-0 partitions are ok, other distros worked
[02:43] <broodster> what's the command to see the version of my linux kernal?
[02:43] <broodster> sorry i forgot =D
[02:44] <Ribs> bronson, uname -a
[02:44] <Ribs> that gives you what you want, plus a bit more
[02:44] <Krapmeister> yeah i did sudo ..
[02:44] <Krapmeister> would let me change some for some directories but not all
[02:44] <no0tic> broodster: uname -r
[02:45] <broodster> oh thanks =D
[02:45] <Aron_Figaro> So does anybody have some help for me? The OpenOffice.org 1.1.2 help files are...empty O.o
[02:45] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: what directories didn't work?
[02:47] <Aron_Figaro> ok, figured out that the "Default Document Template" is what I need rather than "Text Document" but how to force that as the default "new"?
[02:47] <Krapmeister> etc
[02:47] <[Devil-Boy] > hello there
[02:47] <Krapmeister> i think i'm doing this all wrong anyway...
[02:47] <[Devil-Boy] > does anyone knows if xmms can play mp3?
[02:47] <Aron_Figaro> Sure it can
[02:47] <Prox2far> Devil-boy, yes
[02:47] <no0tic> [Devil-Boy] : it can
[02:48] <[Devil-Boy] > i can't do it
[02:48] <Aron_Figaro> just get the...*looks for package name*...crap, forgot it :P
[02:48] <Aron_Figaro> gstreamer-mad
[02:48] <Aron_Figaro> that's it
[02:48] <dcoop> or
[02:48] <[Devil-Boy] > i open mp3 on music player but no joy on xmms
[02:48] <Krapmeister> maybe i'll be able to figure it out when i stop hitting my head against this brick wall..
[02:48] <Aron_Figaro> Devil-Boy: apt-get install gstreamer-mad
[02:48] <[Devil-Boy] > ok
[02:48] <[Devil-Boy] > synaptec package installer?
[02:48] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: yes, changing the perms is wrong
[02:48] <Aron_Figaro> somebody else help him XD
[02:48] <Aron_Figaro> I use apt
[02:49] <Nonphasis> just open a superuser shell
[02:49] <[Devil-Boy] > cheers
[02:49] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: there should be a launcher in Applications / System tools
[02:49] <Prox2far> devil-boy, have u added the two universe servers and searched gstreamer-mad
[02:49] <Aron_Figaro> so...anyone with OpenOffice help? Please? Arrrg...
[02:50] <Aron_Figaro> -_-;;
[02:50] <cafeina> Aron_Figaro what's your problem ?
[02:51] <dcoop> (08:47:03) Aron_Figaro: ok, figured out that the "Default Document Template" is what I need rather than "Text Document" but how to force that as the default "new"?
[02:51] <Krapmeister> ok.. what i'm trying to install is a *.deb package
[02:51] <Aron_Figaro> heh, thanks coop
[02:52] <dcoop> sure
[02:52] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: as a root, do dpkg -i myapp.deb
[02:52] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: as a root == from superuser shell, or normal shell via sudo
[02:53] <[Devil-Boy] > i have installed gstramer-mad
[02:53] <[Devil-Boy] > but no luck
[02:53] <[Devil-Boy] > whenever i'm about to play a file
[02:53] <[Devil-Boy] > it doesn't start
[02:53] <[Devil-Boy] > and it gets stuck
[02:54] <Krapmeister> ok.. how do i get root priveleges via sudo?
[02:54] <wezzer> sudo su root
[02:54] <wezzer> password, which it asks, is your own password
[02:54] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: just add "sudo" before the command
[02:54] <leonel> sudo -s
[02:55] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: ubuntuguide.org might help
[02:57] <Krapmeister> "no such file or directory"
[02:57] <Krapmeister> let me try a different tack...
[02:58] <Krapmeister> how can i get ubuntu toi recognise my network card so i can serve my net conection accross a LAN ?
[02:59] <no0tic> Krapmeister: it didn't during installation?
[03:00] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: were you in the directory where you downloaded the .deb?
[03:01] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: most network cards should be automatically recognized
[03:02] <[Devil-Boy] > and how can i access a computer on my network
[03:02] <[Devil-Boy] > ?
[03:02] <[Devil-Boy] > i click on the computer icon
[03:02] <[Devil-Boy] > and then it tells me that i haven't got access
[03:02] <[Devil-Boy] > and it doesn't even asks me to type in a user nor a password
[03:05] <Krapmeister> ok.. it recognises my card but i can't activate it and get any ip addresses
[03:05] <kebac> Krapmeister: use ifconfig eth0 x.x.x.x
[03:06] <kebac> Krapmeister: where x.x.x.x is an ip-address of you rchouce
[03:06] <Aron_Figaro> Hey, has anyone here installed Vega Strike before?
[03:06] <kebac> your choice
[03:06] <Aron_Figaro> I have NO clue where it unpacked itself :P
[03:06] <scrooch> what networkcard do you have Krapmeister
[03:06] <Krapmeister> i've no idea
[03:06] <kebac> are all network cards in linux named 'ethN' ?
[03:06] <scrooch> Aron_Figaro, read the website on how to start the damn gaame
[03:06] <Ribs> kebac, no
[03:06] <scrooch> lsmod
[03:07] <Ribs> kebac, all ethernet connections are called ethN
[03:07] <Ribs> the name depends on the network
[03:07] <Nonphasis> Krapmeister: sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[03:07] <scrooch> Krapmeister, do you have a k8n motherbord with integrated network card?
[03:07] <kebac> Ribs: right...
[03:07] <Krapmeister> no.. seperate network card
[03:08] <scrooch> which one, which module?
[03:08] <scrooch> do you have more network cards
[03:08] <Nonphasis> wasn't there some dpkg-reconfigure network or whatever?
[03:08] <scrooch> what does ifup eth0
[03:08] <scrooch> can you ping
[03:08] <scrooch> do you have dhcp
[03:09] <Krapmeister> dhcp ??
[03:09] <scrooch> automaticly adressing ip adresses
[03:10] <Krapmeister> no.. when i installed ubuntu it  couldn't recognise/use dhcp
[03:11] <scrooch> then what network card doy ou have
[03:11] <scrooch> hallo jessica__ :)
[03:11] <kebac> Krapmeister: use ifconfig -a
[03:12] <scrooch> jessica__, zeg nou eens wat :p
[03:13] <jessica__> scrooch: sorry, was weg
[03:14] <[Devil-Boy] > and how can i access a computer on my network
[03:14] <[Devil-Boy] > i click on the computer icon
[03:14] <[Devil-Boy] > and it doesn't even asks me to type in a user nor a password
[03:15] <Krapmeister> SURECOM EP 320X-R 100/10
[03:15] <HappyFool> [Devil-Boy] : have you read http://ubuntuguide.org/#networking ?
[03:16] <[Devil-Boy] > i'm not sure
[03:16] <[Devil-Boy] > but i will read it now
[03:16] <kagou> openoffice don't work here (hoary 64)
[03:18] <kagou> i had to manually change 1.1.2 by 1.1.3 in .sversionrc
[03:19] <HappyFool> hrm. from the apt-get man page: "remove is identical to install except that packages are removed instead of installed." (intentional irony? ;)
[03:22] <xav> I switched to hoary, all went fine but now my date are in a funny language
[03:22] <scrooch> lol HappyFool
[03:22] <xav> I don't even know what it's, something like spain or italian
[03:22] <Nonphasis> claer
[03:22] <xav> urtarrila
[03:22] <scrooch> xav, try dpkg-reconfigure locales
[03:23] <scrooch> maybe you can set the language in gdm
[03:23] <Nonphasis> btw, is hoary tracking Sid constantly?
[03:23] <scrooch> menu
[03:23] <Nonphasis> I have a Sid machine here and I wonder if I could hoary it up
[03:23] <xav> hey, it's only the date in the calendar, right ?
[03:24] <xav> the rest is mostly in french, with some english-french mix :)
[03:25] <scrooch> hmm weird xav lol
[03:25] <xav> can I try utf8 for the default locale?
[03:25] <xav> or fr_FR only is better?
[03:26] <daniels> fr_FR.UTF-8 is best for hoary
[03:26] <xav> ok thx
[03:26] <xav> what do I have to relaunch to apply the change ?
[03:26] <xav> X ?
[03:27] <acidspoon> Hi @ll
[03:27] <acidspoon> Spricht hier jemand deutsch?
[03:27] <xav> nein
[03:27] <acidspoon> ;-)
[03:28] <acidspoon> warum haut ubuntu mir die programme, die ich nachtrglich mit apt-get installiere nicht automatisch in das men rein
[03:29] <scrooch> darum nicht
[03:29] <acidspoon> wenn ichs mit diesem synoptic installiere, ist es im men
[03:29] <scrooch> xkill panel
[03:29] <acidspoon> wie kommt das?
[03:29] <scrooch> zufal
[03:29] <acidspoon> ne, im ernst
[03:29] <HappyFool> do you maybe have to restart gnome? or login an out?
[03:30] <acidspoon> gibts nicht auch nen mirror fr deutsche pakete von ubuntu
[03:30] <Nonphasis> english please
[03:31] <acidspoon> is it possible to use a german mirror for ubuntu in the file sources.list so that it load only german packages with apt-get
[03:31] <Nonphasis> anyone? would it be better to do Sid -> Hoary, or Sid -> Warty -> Hoary upgrade?
[03:31] <daniels> hm, I think this is the first piece of Vegemite toast I've had in about 3 months.  delicious.
[03:32] <Nonphasis> acidspoon: I think "mirror" means that the files are the exact same
[03:32] <Vince-0> How do I run synaptic in KDE ?
[03:32] <Nonphasis> Vince-0: alt-f2, synaptic :-)
[03:32] <Vince-0> Nonphasis: heh , k
[03:32] <Nonphasis> Vince-0: or more correctly, in term do sudo synaptic
[03:33] <Vince-0> k
[03:33] <Khantozavri> hi.... can anyone help me with enabling "samba" in ubuntu?
[03:33] <Nonphasis> Khantozavri: ubuntuguide.org
[03:34] <Ensiferum> how can i see the id of a certain user?
[03:34] <Nonphasis> Ensiferum: cat /etc/passwd
[03:34] <Ensiferum> Nonphasis: ah. thank you
[03:34] <HappyFool> grep <username> /etc/passwd
[03:35] <Khantozavri> i've been there, but no help. when I click "enable windows networking" in computer>system configuration>networking, system tells me that "SMB Support is not running"
[03:35] <Khantozavri> You don't have SMB support installed. Please install SMB support in the system to enable file sharing in Windows networks
[03:35] <Khantozavri> what's wrong?
[03:36] <Nonphasis> Khantozavri: sudo apt-get install samxa
[03:36] <Nonphasis> Khantozavri: sudo apt-get install samba
[03:36] <Khantozavri> thanks.... i'll do that, one more thing....
[03:36] <Khantozavri> I cant read unicode text
[03:36] <Nonphasis> gedit should work with unicode
[03:37] <Khantozavri> I've installed keyboard layout for my local language (georgian) and I can not type with it. When I do, i get just symbol codes, sort of u203
[03:37] <Gul3> hi! can somebody help me with this noob question: how do i mount my usb camera?
[03:38] <Khantozavri> i??????????????
[03:38] <Khantozavri> this was from my unicode keyboad.. lol
[03:38] <Nonphasis> Khantozavri: in gedit or terminal?
[03:38] <Khantozavri> in everywere, gedit doen't do good too
[03:39] <Khantozavri> seems to me that whole system can not understand utf or something
[03:39] <Krapmeister> thanks all for the help.. i think i'll need to tackle this another day..
[03:40] <Khantozavri> shouldn't samba be on the cd?
[03:40] <Nonphasis> Khantozavri: it should
[03:41] <Khantozavri> damn it, all the samba packages from the cd are installed.
[03:41] <Nonphasis> Khantozavri: /etc/init.d/samba start
[03:41] <Nonphasis> Khantozavri: sudo /etc/init.d/samba start I meant
[03:42] <Khantozavri> thanks, nonphasis, i know that sudo is meant by default ;)
[03:42] <Nonphasis> Khantozavri: ok ;-)
[03:42] <gsuveg> whats the default runlevel with gdm?
[03:43] <gsuveg> i what disable services at boot
[03:43] <Khantozavri> sudo: /etc/init.d/samba: command not found ..... was the result... :(
[03:43] <Nonphasis> chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[03:43] <daniels> Khantozavri: dpkg-reconfigure locales, pick a UTF-8 locale
[03:43] <daniels> Khantozavri: sorry, that should be sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[03:44] <gsuveg> Nonphasis: no. i want disable mysql at boot
[03:44] <Khantozavri> thanks daniels
[03:44] <gsuveg> if i remove x i cant start it by hand
[03:44] <Nonphasis> gsuveg: well, do the chmod -x to /etc/init.d/mysql then :-)
[03:45] <gsuveg> Nonphasis: i dont think thats the best solution
[03:46] <Nonphasis> gsuveg: it's not the best, but it's quick. red hat + friends have better solutions, but I'm not sure debian + ubuntu do...
[03:46] <gsuveg> ok
[03:47] <Nonphasis> Debian is kinda ass-backwards on this sysvinit thing
[03:48] <Prox2far> gul3, just mount jyoure camera like a ordinary drive
[03:50] <gsuveg> Nonphasis: op. but debian convig remove apache from start. thats would i know how
[03:50] <gsuveg> Nonphasis: im re-new in 'deb' year ago
[03:50] <Khantozavri> im sorry, but reconfigure locales didn't really help
[03:51] <Prox2far> gul3, are you still there
[03:51] <Gul3> yes. but i can't find the devicename
[03:51] <Nonphasis> gsuveg: it probobly used update-rc.d
[03:51] <Gul3> it's not sd
[03:52] <Lathiat> hi guys -- i was just wondering if theres some way to manipulate how irqs are assigned to pci devices because my usb, cardbus/pcmcia, video, firewire and ethernet are all on IRQ 11 and my ethernet is only getting 11mbit/s or so and I'm wondering if its affecting it.
[03:52] <Nonphasis> gsuveg: but it's nof for end users I've heard
[03:52] <cahoot> Gul3: what camera?
[03:53] <Prox2far> here's the line you need - sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,auto,exec,nosuid 0 0 - given you've made /mnt/usb the folder you wnat to mount too
[03:53] <Gul3> kodak easy share cx7300
[03:53] <gsuveg> Nonphasis: yes
[03:53] <Prox2far> gul,3 i may have messed up on the user permission things
[03:54] <d[-_-] b> lo
[03:54] <d[-_-] b> lo all :-)
[03:54] <cahoot> Gul3: any usable output from dmesg when plugging in the camera?
[03:55] <kosmonautti> Does anyone of you know how to get powernow-k8 module properly working? At the moment I get the following error message: "powernow-k8: BIOS Error: numpst must be 1" ?
[03:55] <Prox2far> gul3, sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb - should be enough
[03:56] <Gul3> something like this: USB Mass Storage support registered.
[03:56] <Gul3> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 2
[03:56] <Gul3> usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 2?
[03:56] <Gul3> Prox2far: no, that is not enough. sda1 is not in /dev
[03:57] <Prox2far> gul3, damn
[03:57] <Guardiann> good morning people
[03:57] <Prox2far> guardian, good morning??? where the hell do you live???
[03:58] <Guardiann> Prox2far damm a long way from you I am in Ontario Cnada
[03:58] <cahoot> Gul3: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/01/06/digicam.html
[03:59] <Prox2far> guardian, LOL i'm in europe it's in the middle of the day here
[04:00] <Guardiann> i saw that denmark right?
[04:00] <brk3> where can i find the origanal ubuntu 'naked' wallpaper?
[04:00] <imka> hi
[04:01] <imka> can i set permissions recursively? eg. set the permission to my multimedia files by setting the permission of the "multimedia" folder?
[04:01] <kent> imka,  chmod/chown  -R sets it recursivly
[04:01] <Prox2far> guardian, how the dell could u see i'm in denmark???, WHOIS???
[04:01] <kent> imka,   that is..  for every file in the folder and subfolders
[04:02] <imka> kent thanks. it's not possible in nautilus, is it?
[04:02] <kosmonautti> Prox2far: Your domain
[04:02] <Guardiann> I cclicked on you name and it shows your location
[04:02] <kosmonautti> Prox2far: .dk
[04:02] <HappyFool> brk3: you mean maybe computer->system configuration->login screen setup->graphical greeter ?
[04:02] <kent> imka, not sure. You can do it for several files, but im unsure of subfolders :(  But select several files and choose properties.
[04:03] <imka> kent yea several files work i know
[04:03] <brk3> HappyFool: no theres a wallpaper that ubuntu first came out with but it had to be changed because it was a little dodgy. its meant to available as a post-install option but i cant find it
[04:03] <Prox2far> guardian, OK
[04:04] <CaPS_> Hello
[04:04] <CaPS_> Anyone know of a way to get Evolution to notify me about it receiving new mail in the panel or using a passive notification thingy?
[04:05] <brk3> HappyFool: found it: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3237&highlight=wallpaper
[04:05] <scrooch> CaPS_, there is a passive notification thingy as an applet in gnome-panel afaik
[04:06] <scrooch> ah,its called inbox monitor CaPS_
[04:06] <imka> kent it's simple enough from the console, thanks
[04:06] <CaPS_> There's a notification applet, but it requires either a local inbox or pop login data.. I have evolution set to fetch mail every X minutes, that'll mismatch :/ Can't evolution send off an event notification?
[04:07] <scrooch> no clue
[04:14] <vafnord> How do I share a CUPS printer with other machines on my network (all Linux)
[04:17] <Nonphasis> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge
[04:18] <Nonphasis> has sid -> hoary upgrade report, for someone that asked
[04:18] <Nonphasis> if he's still around
[04:20] <suix> hi
[04:20] <exlt> vafnord: edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf to listen to your IP, then point to clients to http://hostname:631/printers/PrinterName
[04:20] <suix> I've some problems updating to hoary
[04:21] <suix> I've changed warty with hoary in the repostories list
[04:21] <exlt> vafnord: http://mumford1.dyndns.org/~bs7452/linuxhelp/cups.html
[04:21] <cahoot> vafnord: cups running on the clients - and client.conf pointing to the server
[04:21] <Finity> hello all
[04:21] <suix> but it cant get the lists
[04:22] <nozkan> hi my friends
[04:22] <Nonphasis> suix: apt-get update fails?
[04:22] <suix> yup
[04:22] <nozkan> I can't play vcd with totem. why ?
[04:23] <kent> suix, have you run update on the list?  press update in synaptic (or run apt-get update   in the terminal)
[04:23] <Nonphasis> suix: you didn't forget sudo by any chance?
[04:23] <Finity> what is Gaim?
[04:23] <suix> iot fails
[04:23] <suix> nope
[04:23] <Nonphasis> suix: perhaps typo in sources.list?
[04:23] <Nonphasis> suix: paste the line
[04:23] <suix> ?
[04:24] <suix> typo?
[04:24] <Nonphasis> suix: misspelling
[04:24] <ermo> Finity: Multiprotocol IM-client for gnome. Visit http://gaim.sf.net for more info
[04:24] <suix> where's the file
[04:24] <Finity> k, thnx
[04:24] <vafnord> exlt: I edit /etc/cups/cupssd.conf on the server?
[04:25] <Nonphasis> suix: /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:25] <Finity> it's like Trillian, only for gnome
[04:25] <Finity> ?
[04:25] <suix> do u want me paste it here?
[04:25] <suix> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[04:25] <suix> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[04:25] <exlt> vafnord: by default, it only listens to localhost, so you need to allow your lan
[04:26] <suix> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[04:26] <suix> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[04:26] <suix> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted
[04:26] <suix> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted
[04:27] <Nonphasis> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[04:27] <Nonphasis> I had only that and apt-get update worked ok
[04:27] <Nonphasis> 5 minutes ago
[04:27] <ermo> Finity: in a sense, yes.
[04:28] <kent> suix, Nonphasis perhaps apt dont like that he have  "deb hoary main restricted" in two places? (first line, and then in the line with universe
[04:28] <ermo> Finity: Now stop bugging me and try it out already ;)
[04:28] <exlt> vafnord: change 'Port 127.0.0.1:631' to 'Port 631' and add Allow 'From 192.168.1.*' in the <Location /> section (or whatever your lan range is)
[04:29] <Nonphasis> kent: maybe
[04:29] <Nonphasis> suix: now what error do you get on apt-get update?
[04:29] <Finity> hehe... I think I might.... (The windows port of course... my cds are on their way)
[04:29] <crimsun> kent: doesn't really matter at all.
[04:29] <crimsun> kent: it'll gripe, but it's not fatal.
[04:29] <suix> now I dont have
[04:29] <exlt> vafnord: that should be -  add 'Allow From 192.168.1.*'
[04:29] <suix> Obj http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[04:30] <suix> which is the meaning of obj?
[04:32] <thepoch> anyone here using warty or hoary on an ibook g4 1.2ghz?
[04:33] <Finity> I have a question... can you change the look (color wise) of ubuntu?
[04:33] <Tomcat_> Finity: Sure... check the Themes option
[04:34] <dayson> can someone tell me how to set a filter on synaptic package manager? When I start it it tells me I have one broken package and I can use the broken filter to find it but when I set it it doesnt do anything
[04:34] <exlt> vafnord: here is my entire cupsd.conf, without all the comments - http://pastebin.ca/3961
[04:34] <skreet> Anyone know why the stock nv driver doesnt work with a 6800GT?
[04:35] <skreet> I had to use vesa
[04:35] <mjr> Q: "Why the stock nv driver doesn't do X?" A: "Nvidia aren't co-operative."
[04:36] <Finity> is ATI co-operative?
[04:36] <mjr> not nowadays
[04:36] <mjr> pretty much all mainstream video card manufacturers are evil, which is a shame
[04:36] <skreet> mjr: except nvidia...
[04:36] <skreet> They're not that big though
[04:36] <skreet> It's easy to miss them.
[04:36] <Finity> :(
[04:37] <skreet> Finity: I just bought a 6800GT because I had a Radeon and Linux drivers are.. scarce.
[04:37] <dayson> can someone tell me how to set a filter on synaptic package manager? When I start it it tells me I have one broken package and I can use the broken filter to find it but when I set it it doesnt do anything
[04:37] <linux_mafia> anyone know when mono will be installable in hoary again?
[04:37] <vafnord> exlt: I think I have the server side right, but when I try to add the printer on the client side
[04:38] <vafnord> exlt: all of the sudden the printer connection GUI won't let me select drivers
[04:38] <exlt> vafnord: you restarted cups on the server, correct?
[04:38] <vafnord> D'oh!
[04:38] <mjr> Skwid_, I didn't
[04:38] <mjr> oops, skreet
[04:43] <Ed_Gein> anyone have any luck playing shn files
[04:44] <crimsun> Ed_Gein: yes, why?
[04:44] <\8^D> ed gein was a serial killer lawlz
[04:44] <Ed_Gein> where did you find the plugin?
[04:44] <crimsun> Ed_Gein: www.etree.org
[04:44] <Finity> You can change the resolution in Ubuntu to 1600x1200 right?
[04:44] <Ed_Gein> why yes he was
[04:44] <skreet> Anyone know of a good how-to for setting up software raid on a S3112 so I can pull data off my windows partition?
[04:44] <skreet> Finity: i'm running 1600x1200 right now.
[04:44] <tvoss> hi all, anyone experienced in installing ubuntu on laptop?
[04:44] <crimsun> Finity: certainly
[04:45] <Finity> I guess not... :)
[04:45] <Ed_Gein> crimson:damn
[04:45] <crimsun> Ed_Gein: ?
[04:45] <Ed_Gein> was hoping it was in a repository somewhere
[04:45] <skreet> Anyone know of a HOWTO for software raid setup?
[04:45] <crimsun> Ed_Gein: license prevents it from being in an official repo
[04:46] <Ed_Gein> I founfdthat one but the install is giving my noob self fits
[04:46] <Finity> Can you move the "Start" button to the bottom, rather than the top?
[04:46] <crimsun> you have to compile it.
[04:46] <Guardiann> the start button?
[04:46] <crimsun> Finity: "the 'Start' button?"
[04:46] <Guardiann> :)
[04:47] <Ed_Gein> crimsun:tried, after ./configure I run make but get a no makefile error
[04:47] <crimsun> Finity: if you're referring to the menu bar, simply drag it to the bottom.
[04:47] <wezzer-> Finity: gnome "foot"?
[04:47] <broodster> What's a good place to play poker on linux?
[04:47] <Finity> Yah, that little foot
[04:47] <Finity> :)
[04:47] <tvoss> Dave2: You also got problems with ubuntu on your laptop?
[04:47] <crimsun> Finity: drag it to the bottom of your screen. It's that simple.
[04:48] <Finity> is that what it's called?
[04:48] <Dave2|Laptop> tvoss, nah, just joined in case I can't find any docs on UTF-8ing Ubuntu
[04:48] <crimsun> Ed_Gein: do you have all the dependencies installed?
[04:48] <Dave2|Laptop> It worked fine on my laptop, with one exception, wifi wasn't set up properly
[04:49] <Ed_Gein> crimsun: I honestly don't know
[04:49] <tvoss> Dave2: Perhaps you can help me a little ... I can't get to work X in 1280x800!
[04:49] <Dave2|Laptop> tvoss, my laptop only goes up to 1024x768, so I haven't a clue
[04:49] <crimsun> woops, my versions of 'shorten' and 'xmms-shn' are old
[04:49] <wezzer-> I have a problem with x too
[04:50] <tvoss> Dave2 thx anyway
[04:50] <Dave2|Laptop> Also I get no 3D acceleration with my SiS chip for some reason, but I've had that on every X version I've tried
[04:50] <Dave2|Laptop> *X version on every distro
[04:50] <wezzer-> I can't get bigger refreshrate than 60 Hz, even though my monitor supports up to 75 Hz
[04:50] <wezzer-> And I put the right H & V sync rates to x-config
[04:50] <wezzer-> strange...
[04:51] <Finity> what file system does Ubuntu use?
[04:51] <wezzer-> ext3?
[04:51] <tvoss> wezzer- I've got the same problem
[04:51] <ermo> Finity, whatever you want it to.
[04:51] <crimsun> Finity: ext3 if you don't specify anything
[04:51] <\8^D> what is ubuntu
[04:51] <\8^D> a nigerian businessman?
[04:51] <ermo> \8^D, an african word.
[04:51] <tvoss> wezzer- you should google for a modeline
[04:52] <wezzer> ok
[04:52] <crimsun> wezzer-: better yet, use the 'gtf' utility to create your own modeline
[04:52] <wezzer> \8^D: "Ubuntu" is an ancient African word, meaning "humanity to others". Ubuntu also means "I am what I am because of who we all are".
[04:52] <wezzer> gtf? never even heard about it...
[04:52] <Finity> can it use NTFS?
[04:52] <\8^D> WTFS
[04:52] <wezzer> Finity: it can read NTFS, but can't write
[04:53] <ermo> \8^D, or so I've read. On the ubuntu website. On the front page. Right at the top.
[04:53] <vafnord> exlt: Hooray, just printed a test page from my laptop!
[04:53] <Finity> I wish I had a Printer ...
[04:54] <\8^D> i use the filesystem OMGWTFS
[04:54] <vafnord> Finity: This Lexmark E210 I have works great with linux and cost $250 about 3 years ago
[04:54] <scrooch> now that it works great with linux it costs 300 dollar in 2005
[04:55] <Ed_Gein> Finity: I picked up an epson stylus C84 for $75 new and it works great
[04:55] <Nonphasis> Finity: ubuntuguid.org has instructions for ntfs
[04:55] <broodster> how do i get java to wokr on firefox?
[04:55] <Nonphasis> Finity: ubuntuguide.org
[04:55] <Finity> It's %50
[04:55] <Finity> 50$*
[04:55] <paul_holmes> I am getting an error message from mysql-query-browser that it cannot connect through mysql.sock. I have searched for this file but I cannot locate it. I have also re-installed mysql-client. This has not replaced the file. Can anybody help? Thanks.
[04:55] <Finity> wait... it can only read off of my other partitions?
[04:55] <vafnord> exlt: The odd thing is in the printers GUI on the client, this network CUPS printer appears to be local.
[04:56] <linux_mafia> broodster, you installed java yet?
[04:56] <Finity> that site doesn't work nonphasis
[04:56] <vafnord> The lexmark E210 is b&w laser
[04:56] <Finity> oh, lol, nvm
[04:56] <Ed_Gein> broodster: here http://ubuntuguide.org/
[04:57] <Nonphasis> hah, ubuntuguide.org should be in /topic
[04:57] <Nonphasis> nevermind, it is
[04:57] <exlt> vafnord: ahh, the beauty of inter-networking
[04:58] <vafnord> exlt: Many thanks for your help.
[04:58] <Ed_Gein> Nonphasis: Ubuntuguide.org should be renamed the Holy Bible
[04:59] <linux_mafia> i still think its bizzare that, that guide and others dont tell people to use the java-package app, its so much easier than buggering around with env options etc
[04:59] <vafnord> exlt: Everytime I come here for help my problem is solved in less than 10 minutes.
[04:59] <Finity> does Ubuntu (or any Distro for that matter) support DirectX
[04:59] <\8^D> Ed_Gein: do u have naked headless chicks made into suits in your garage?
[04:59] <Finity> ?
[04:59] <skreet> Finity: No
[04:59] <skreet> DirectX is a microsoft product
[05:00] <Ed_Gein> \8^D : 3-4 hundred
[05:00] <skreet> if you're looking to game in linux Cedega does a decent job emulating Direct3d
[05:00] <Finity> They should make a DirectLinux
[05:00] <skreet> Finity: How do you figure, thats loss for them.
[05:00] <skreet> There are THOUSANDS of people who only use windows because they game
[05:00] <skreet> << is one of them
[05:00] <skreet> I got this card in hopes of changing that.
[05:01] <Dave2|Laptop> How many gamers actually pay for Windows because of gaming though?
[05:01] <Dave2|Laptop> I'd imagine a small proportion.
[05:01] <skreet> You'd think so.
[05:01] <dcoop> prolly a few
[05:01] <Dave2|Laptop> Though it'd be a loss of market share which would have a huge impact.
[05:01] <d[-_-] b> lo all :-)
[05:01] <dcoop> i did
[05:01] <skreet> But theres alot of "GAMERS" that arnt really nerds about computers
[05:01] <skreet> ;)
[05:01] <skreet> I work at a computer store I see them alllll the time
[05:01] <linux_mafia> skreet, amen
[05:01] <Finity> I have XP Pirated Edition :)
[05:01] <skreet> "I need a 300$ computer to play Doom 3, you can do that right?"
[05:01] <skreet> "Yea sure, heres Dell's website.."
[05:01] <Finity> I just got the GAIM windows port
[05:02] <skreet> "Dont come back to us though."
[05:02] <skreet> Gaim is nice.
[05:02] <Dave2|Laptop> I have a licence for XP home. Don't use it though.
[05:02] <Dave2|Laptop> (Came with the laptop)
[05:02] <Ed_Gein> Doom3 isn't worth the $29 price tag
[05:02] <vafnord> Soon people who only want to game will stop bothering with PCs and stick to consoles like they should.
[05:02] <Ed_Gein> imho
[05:02] <Finity> I own it, it's alright
[05:02] <dcoop> i was disappointed in doom3
[05:02] <skreet> Ed_Gein: I thought it was decent
[05:02] <Finity> I am just waiting for Quake 4
[05:02] <skreet> I just got it with my video card I should install it
[05:02] <skreet> Its native linux now right?
[05:03] <d[-_-] b> hello, does anyone here have any experience with getting ubuntu to access windows shares over a network
[05:03] <Dave2|Laptop> yes.
[05:03] <Finity> Half Life 2 KILLS Doom 3, yet it's install is just plain ignoramous
[05:03] <chapter3> hey all, i just re-installed ubuntu, and now there is a noticable lag on redraw when the screen refreshes, any ideas?
[05:03] <zenwhen> KILLS it?
[05:03] <Ed_Gein> skreet:I thought it wasgorgeous. But, hte gameplay was lacking
[05:03] <Nonphasis> Finity: cedega warks with directx games
[05:03] <zenwhen> They arent even comparable.
[05:03] <skreet> d[-_-] b: LinuxNeiborhood (sp?) is a nice program.
[05:03] <Dave2|Laptop> http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/
[05:03] <sulkd> hah you're on crack.. Half Life 2 goes straight to the "got no ideas so lets make you navigate a maze"
[05:03] <zenwhen> They aren't even the same kind of game.
[05:03] <vafnord> chapter3: Do you have an nvidia video card?
[05:03] <chapter3> ja
[05:03] <skreet> Ed_Gein: It's a shoot-em-up game. Look at any of the dooms, they never had much content.
[05:03] <Ed_Gein> skreet:after an hour or so I was bored
[05:03] <Nonphasis> actually, Linux is ok for games these days
[05:03] <d[-_-] b> thanks
[05:03] <dcoop> i am having the some problem as chapter3
[05:04] <skreet> chapter3: Install the nvidia driver
[05:04] <Nonphasis> though I only play Enemy Territory ;-)
[05:04] <skreet> let me find the HOWTO i was jus there.
[05:04] <chapter3> I believe it's already installed
[05:04] <vafnord> chapter3: you probably need to install nvidia-glx its non-free.
[05:04] <dcoop> i it on the ubuntuguide
[05:04] <TenPlus1> Can WINE let you play games ok ?
[05:04] <chapter3> nvidia-glx is installed
[05:04] <Dave2|Laptop> Cedega is by no means a complete solution
[05:04] <dcoop> is ur card pci or agp
[05:04] <Dave2|Laptop> There's a lot of stuff it won't run
[05:04] <zenwhen> TenPlus1, some games, yes.
[05:04] <atmos> can i use the marillat packages for mplayer on ubuntu ?
[05:04] <chapter3> apg
[05:04] <Nonphasis> d[-_-] b: go to Computers -> Network
[05:04] <skreet> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:04] <linux_mafia> atmos, if you wish
[05:05] <Ed_Gein> skreet:FarCry, an amazing game. THe AI and the graphics make it the game of the year in my eyes
[05:05] <Finity> hey ed_gain... did you say you were bored with Doom 3 or HL2?
[05:05] <atmos> linux_mafia: they should work fine though, right ?
[05:05] <vafnord> Did you enable it? sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:05] <TenPlus1> will give it a bash then :)
[05:05] <broodster> broodster@broodster:~ $ sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[05:05] <d[-_-] b> ok ive gone there
[05:05] <broodster> Password:
[05:05] <broodster> ln: `/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins//libjavaplugin_oji.so': File exists
[05:05] <broodster> broodster@broodster:~ $ sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[05:05] <broodster> ln: `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins//libjavaplugin_oji.so': File exists
[05:05] <Finity> anyone have a Gaim account?
[05:05] <vafnord> and restart X? Ctl-Alt-Backspace
[05:05] <broodster> I've done what it said
[05:05] <broodster> On ubuntu guide
[05:05] <Dave2|Laptop> "a gaim account"?
[05:05] <skreet> Finity: a Gaim account?
[05:05] <broodster> Yet java doesnt seem to work on my browser.
[05:05] <Finity> sorry
[05:06] <Finity> nvm that...
[05:06] <skreet> Haha
[05:06] <linux_mafia> atmos, yeah man
[05:06] <chapter3> imma restart gnome, brb
[05:06] <skreet> It's okay, we all say stupid things sometimes :D
[05:06] <broodster> oh
[05:06] <Finity> anyone have an Aim/Yahoo IM/MSN IM account?
[05:06] <broodster> it must be because i dont use i386
[05:06] <broodster> i use amd64
[05:06] <Finity> and they want me to bug them ?
[05:06] <dcoop> i had the same problem as chapter3, i followed the instructions on ubuntuguide and i have really bad refresh rates
[05:06] <dcoop> err
[05:06] <dcoop> i have
[05:07] <vafnord> dcoop: do you see the nvidia logo when X starts?
[05:07] <dcoop> yeah
[05:07] <dcoop> im running warty
[05:08] <Ed_Gein> dcoop : Have you tried the tweaks found on ubuntuguide? I actually got better performance without those settings
[05:08] <dcoop> yeah
[05:08] <dcoop> i tried those 2
[05:08] <dcoop> but
[05:08] <dcoop> i took them out
[05:08] <thepoch> anyone seen this bug... browse a folder in nautilus, and use the tree view. the tree view has humongous folder icons. this is under hoary.
[05:08] <dcoop> also in the guide
[05:09] <dcoop> it doesnt tell u disable GLcore or dri
[05:09] <Ed_Gein> dcoop :same here
[05:09] <dcoop> i get about 990 fps on a pci nvidia 5500
[05:09] <dcoop> but just looks really crappy
[05:09] <daniels> glxgears is not a benchmark
[05:10] <dcoop> i know
[05:10] <dayson> how would I creat a launcher for steam if I'm using cedega to use it?
[05:10] <no0tic> daniels: it's a good starting point though
[05:10] <vafnord> Is anyone having trouble with the machine locking up when running OpenGL stuff?
[05:10] <d[-_-] b> anyone else here getting a "The folder contents could not be displayed." error when accessing a windows share?
[05:10] <skreet> I get 10,000 FPS on a 6800GT
[05:10] <skreet> :D
[05:10] <Ed_Gein> glxgears depends on too many variables to be viable benchmark
[05:10] <dcoop> yeah b4 i installed the nvidia drivers i was getting 90 fps now about 900
[05:11] <Finity> wow... :)
[05:11] <dcoop> i have the splash screen
[05:11] <Ed_Gein> skreet:is that it
[05:11] <Finity> on what game?
[05:11] <skreet> Ed_Gein: What do you get Ed?
[05:11] <vafnord> Not on a game, just running the Polyhedra screensaver.
[05:11] <skreet> It's gone up to 12000, think the card warmed up :D
[05:11] <Ed_Gein> default window about 14,000
[05:11] <skreet> What card?
[05:11] <vafnord> It locks up my machine at a random interval.
[05:11] <skreet> ~12500 now
[05:11] <Ed_Gein> bfgtech 6800 gt
[05:11] <skreet> is it the OC?
[05:11] <skreet> mines an eVGA
[05:12] <Ed_Gein> yes
[05:12] <skreet> thats the diff :D
[05:12] <skreet> 256MB?
[05:12] <skreet> AGP or PCI-E?
[05:12] <Finity> I ordered 25 i386 CDs, so I will get 5- Disks
[05:12] <Ed_Gein> yes
[05:12] <maps73> Good morning.
[05:12] <Finity> crap...
[05:12] <Finity> 50*
[05:12] <Finity> hi maps73
[05:12] <skreet> has *ANYONE* here ever used dmraid?
[05:12] <daniels> 14000 won't be frames per second, it will be frames per five seconds
[05:12] <Ed_Gein> if only FARCRY would play reasonably well
[05:12] <daniels> which is sub-3000 fps
[05:13] <skreet> 61344 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12268.800 FPS
[05:13] <skreet> daniels: You were saying? :D
[05:13] <dayson> how would I creat a launcher for steam if I'm using cedega to run it?
[05:13] <daniels> in any case, it doesn't matter what glxgears says -- if it shows you have glx working, great.  but that's it.
[05:13] <daniels> skreet: i stand corrected
[05:13] <skreet> dayson: #cedega
[05:13] <dcoop> yeah
[05:13] <skreet> daniels: :D I thought you might.
[05:13] <Nonphasis> Ed_Gein: is it supported in cedega?
[05:14] <Ed_Gein> Nonphasis : Sort of
[05:14] <skreet> Nonphasis: Steam? Yes thats the big thing with 4.2
[05:14] <Ed_Gein> Nonphasis :it installs an dplay sbut runs like hell
[05:14] <Finity> There is a Linux Driver for my graphics card :)
[05:14] <skreet> Ed_Gein: Even in opengl mode?
[05:14] <skreet> Finity: What card do you have?
[05:14] <daniels> skreet: in any case, it's an utterly useless benchmark.
[05:14] <Nonphasis> skreet: no, far cry
[05:14] <skreet> daniels: yea.
[05:14] <Finity> ATI Radeon 9600 XT
[05:15] <skreet> Finity: good luck
[05:15] <Nonphasis> Ed_Gein: what card?
[05:15] <daniels> skreet: if you want a decent benchmark, try something which has multiple lighting sources and many complicated textures, i.e. what current games have.  even better, try the game you actually want to run and see how it runs.
[05:15] <Ed_Gein> Nonphasis :6800 gt oc
[05:15] <skreet> Ed_Gein: You still use windows to game then?
[05:15] <daniels> unless you really can tell the difference between how many thousand fps you get with a spinning pair of gears, and care about it
[05:15] <Ed_Gein> skreet :some
[05:15] <skreet> Ed_Gein: I was hoping to abandon windows :(
[05:16] <skreet> WoW's newest version supports -opengl so I'm hoping it runs nice
[05:16] <skreet> No one here has every used dmraid?
[05:16] <Ed_Gein> skreet :until I finish Pandora Tomorrow and FarCry
[05:16] <maps73> Hy Vaportrail , how are you?
[05:16] <Finity> Quake 3 is Open GL
[05:16] <Ed_Gein> xmms-shn is driving me mad
[05:16] <Nonphasis> well, if far cry supports opengl, I suppose it will run quite fast
[05:17] <Finity>  	 Linux drivers available on our website are packaged in RPM format. RPM is useful for delivering binary content, and can be converted to other binary formats using freely available tools such as alien.
[05:17] <Finity> BTW, how much space does Ubuntu take up on the HDD?
[05:17] <daniels> Finity: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriversHowto
[05:17] <Ed_Gein> df -h
[05:17] <skreet> 1.6 GB
[05:18] <skreet> ish
[05:18] <Finity> hi vafnord
[05:18] <skreet> Thats waht I have used.
[05:18] <vafnord> Finity: Hi.
[05:18] <vafnord> glxgears locked my machine!
[05:18] <Finity> what version of the Linux Kernel does it use?
[05:18] <atropus> I have got  a k3b error message: cdrecord returned an unknown error (code 255) Can you help me?
[05:18] <skreet> Finity: 2.4
[05:18] <Ed_Gein> dev/hda1             147G   13G  127G   9%
[05:18] <Finity> Good :)
[05:20] <Ed_Gein> Trying to install the xmms-shn plugin when I run ./configure I get this error "configure: error: *** XMMS >= 1.0.0 not installed - please install first ***
[05:20] <Ed_Gein> "
[05:21] <Nonphasis> for proof how much linux kicks windows's ass - I'm currently upgrading to hoary, and I can run ircci and galeon normally. In windows I would only be staring a progress bar...
[05:21] <Ed_Gein> Nonphasis:how stable is Hoary
[05:21] <Nonphasis> Ed_Gein: no idea yet. I'll see after reboot :-)
[05:22] <Ed_Gein> smacks self
[05:22] <Guardiann> its not but getting better
[05:22] <Ed_Gein> blonde moment
[05:22] <vafnord> Is anyone still discussing nvidia-glx?
[05:22] <Nonphasis> yeah :)
[05:22] <Finity> what is xfree86?
[05:22] <Ed_Gein> configure: error: *** XMMS >= 1.0.0 not installed - please install first ***
[05:22] <skreet> Finity: *sigh* The X server.
[05:22] <Ed_Gein> but I have xmms installed? wtf?
[05:23] <Nonphasis> Ed_Gein: is there xmms-devel or whatever?
[05:23] <Finity> what is the x server?
[05:23] <skreet> Finity: You dont know much about linux do you? IT's the back-end for the GUI
[05:23] <vafnord> Finity:  The thing that makes the pretty boxes on the screen.
[05:24] <Finity> skreet:  no
[05:24] <maps73> , how could i check if i've installed the SDL library on my ubuntu? thank you
[05:24] <Ed_Gein> Nonphasis : WHy does it want to remove mplayer, Mozilla-mplayer to upgrade
[05:24] <andreas_> HEY GUYS
[05:24] <Finity> what version does ubuntu come with?
[05:24] <Guardiann> hey
[05:24] <broodster> Finity: of what?
[05:24] <skreet> Finity: Who knows, it gets updated after the install anyway
[05:24] <Nonphasis> Ed_Gein: what app?
[05:24] <vafnord> finity: 4.3
[05:25] <Ed_Gein> Nonphasis :xmms. When I try to upgrade to xmms-dev
[05:25] <Finity> I think that my GFX card will work PERFECTLY then on Ubuntu
[05:25] <vafnord> Finity: watchoo got?
[05:26] <Nonphasis> Ed_Gein: dunno. allow the uninstall of mplayer and see how reinstall of it goes
[05:26] <Finity> ATI Radeon 9600 XT
[05:26] <andreas_> does anybody know when more of the 32bits programs gonna get supported by ubuntu 64
[05:26] <Finity> does everyone here develop?
[05:26] <Nonphasis> Finity: nvidia cards work PERFECTLY ;-)
[05:26] <Ed_Gein> Nonphasis : After the hoops I had to jump thorugh to get mplayer to play nicely?
[05:26] <vafnord> Finity:nope
[05:26] <Ed_Gein> Nonphasis : Not so sure about that
[05:26] <Finity> oh, lol
[05:26] <Nonphasis> Ed_Gein: what did you have to do for mplayer?
[05:27] <vafnord> Nonphasis: Really?  Then maybe you can tell me why my machine locks up whenever I try to do anything openGL
[05:27] <vafnord> I have GeForce4 TI4200
[05:27] <Ed_Gein> Nonphasis : it took a few hours of reading and searching
[05:27] <Nonphasis> vafnord: hmm, perhaps some AGP motherboard crap. my ti4200 works liek a charm
[05:28] <Finity> Do I have to get Linux MOBO Drivers Also?
[05:28] <vafnord> Nonphasis: What do you mean "AGP motherboard crap"?
[05:28] <Ed_Gein> Nonphasis : icould always just convert the shn's to another format
[05:28] <Finity> do MOBO's have drivers... I am confused now...
[05:28] <wezzer> is there going to be alsaconf in Hoary?
[05:28] <Nonphasis> vafnord: well, there are 2 AGP bus drivers I think...
[05:29] <Nonphasis> vafnord: agpart and nvidias own agp
[05:29] <Nonphasis> vafnord: have you read the binary driver readme?
[05:29] <vafnord> Nonphasis: nope
[05:29] <Ed_Gein> vafnord:have fun
[05:29] <AigleDor> does someone have a speedtouch modem here?
[05:30] <Nonphasis> vafnord: try it, it has some troubleshooting help. new nv drivers have worked great for me
[05:30] <vafnord> Nonphasis: I just did a lsmod
[05:30] <Nonphasis> Finity: not really
[05:30] <vafnord> Nonphasis: and it appears that both nvidia_agp and agpart are running
[05:30] <randabis-wireles> greetings
[05:30] <Agatha_Christie> hi all
[05:30] <Nonphasis> Finity: it's an x serser configuration issue
[05:30] <Finity> I didn't think so... what is?
[05:30] <Nonphasis> vafnord: might that be a problem?
[05:31] <Nonphasis> Finity: mobo drivers
[05:31] <vafnord> Nonphasis: I was kinda hoping you'd tell me.
[05:31] <Ed_Gein> vafnord:when you run glxgears what happens
[05:31] <Nonphasis> vafnord: I won't, because I haven't had the prob myself. You should really consult the driver readme
[05:31] <Nonphasis> vafnord: I recall there was a chapter about that
[05:32] <vafnord> Eg_Gein: My machine locks up!
[05:32] <vafnord> Ed_Gein: My machine locks up!
[05:33] <Finity> when is 2.9.2 coming out?
[05:33] <vafnord> Nonphasis: Where do I find this binary driver readme?
[05:33] <Nonphasis> vafnord: check out /usr/share/doc/
[05:34] <Nonphasis> vafnord: if that doesn't help go to nvidias homepage and d/l the driver
[05:34] <Nonphasis> vafnord: I cant say directly because I'm on my soon-to-be-hoary box ATM
[05:35] <Guardiann> :)
[05:35] <Ed_Gein> Nonphasis:waiting for a report
[05:35] <randabis-wireles> wish I could get my sound working...
[05:35] <randabis-wireles> worked fine in hoary
[05:35] <randabis-wireles> err
[05:35] <randabis-wireles> warty
[05:35] <Nonphasis> Ed_Gein: if you don't hear from me after a while, you will know that it sucked ;-)
[05:35] <atropus> I have got  a k3b error message: cdrecord returned an unknown error (code 255) Can you help me?
[05:35] <Ed_Gein> lol
[05:36] <Nonphasis> what's interesting is that kde packages have -ubuntu suffix now
[05:36] <Nonphasis> that rocks
[05:38] <vafnord> Aha!  I have to remove Load "dri" and Load "GLCore" from my XF86Config-4
[05:42] <noobuntu> hello all...
[05:42] <scrooch> hi
[05:43] <noobuntu> First time on an IRC channel and first time ubuntu user
[05:43] <Finity> hehe, Hit noobuntu... I like the name
[05:43] <scrooch> nice to meet you noobuntu  :)
[05:43] <Finity> HOLY COW!
[05:43] <noobuntu> thank u, finity and scrooch
[05:43] <noobuntu> I have a question about how to start my apache service...
[05:43] <atropus> I have got  a k3b error message: cdrecord returned an unknown error (code 255) Can you help me?
[05:43] <atropus> I have got  a k3b error message: cdrecord returned an unknown error (code 255) Can you help me?
[05:43] <Finity> wait... DON'T HIT NOOBUNTU... I MEANT TO SAY HI
[05:44] <noobuntu> lol...
[05:44] <Finity> :)
[05:44] <scrooch> lmao Finity ... didnt notice the HIT lol
[05:44] <noobuntu> I didn't notice myself and I was the one being hit! :P
[05:44] <Finity> :) LOL
[05:44] <noobuntu> so I installed apache with the apt- thingy gui... and it createad a folder in my /etc called apache2
[05:45] <atropus> I am a stupid user and I can't use my ATAPI cd writer under ubuntu. can you help me?
[05:45] <kotau> That's odd.  Xchat wont do transparency anymore, it says my Windows manager is unsupported :?  All I did was reboot
[05:45] <atropus> or do you have any idea how can I find docs
[05:45] <noobuntu> but now I need to figure out how to start the apache service itself... the conf files look okay...
[05:46] <noobuntu> I am used to RH where you can just say 'service <servicename> start' or whatever but that doesn't seem to do it on ubuntu
[05:47] <exlt> noobuntu: the RH service util is just a front end to /etc/init.d/service_name start/stop/restart - look in /etc/init.d/
[05:47] <noobuntu> omigosh... I never knew that! I will try that asap... thanks!!! I'll let you know how it goes
[05:47] <Finity> why is it that in all of the screenshots, there is only a CD on the desktop... you can put more on the desktop right?
[05:48] <kotau> you can put whatever you want on the desktop
[05:48] <kotau> ...
[05:48] <Finity> oh, good
[05:48] <kotau> icons, files, scripts, GUI modifications... right click on stuff
[05:49] <kotau> so is there any reason that since the reboot [the first actual powering down of this system]  that transparency isnt supported anymore?
[05:50] <noobuntu> exlt, just 1 more thing: I just did that as root, am I right or is it bad to run httpd as root? shall I shut down and do it under a different user?
[05:50] <kotau> stupid broads like to hit power buttons on large computers that arent theres ><
[05:51] <exlt> noobuntu: root will need to start the service, but apache will actually run as a non-priviledged user, www, I think
[05:51] <Finity> your sister turned it of?
[05:51] <Finity> off*
[05:51] <kotau> finity: if it was my sister I'd slap her, sh knows better
[05:51] <Finity> They should make an OpenGLinux
[05:51] <Finity> haha
[05:51] <noobuntu> okay exlt... but I just tried to hit http://localhost and it told me 'the connection was refused'...??? :(
[05:51] <Finity> my brothers are afraid to ASK to use MY computer
[05:52] <Finity> ... and my guitar...
[05:52] <kotau> now to set the BIOS so the front case buttons are worthless and do nothing but lock the computer
[05:52] <exlt> noobuntu: does 'netstat -a' show that http is listening?  if not, 'tail /var/log/apache/error_log'
[05:54] <strixy> hello
[05:54] <Guardiann> hello
[05:54] <Finity> hi anto__o, linux_mafia, and strixy
[05:54] <anto__o> hi Finity
[05:54] <anto__o> hey guys
[05:54] <kotau> That's odd.  Xchat wont do transparency anymore, it says my Windows manager is unsupported :?  All I did was reboot. Anyone?
[05:55] <strixy> Finity: hello :)
[05:55] <strixy> Can anyone help me figure out how to change my host name / domain name in Ubuntu?
[05:55] <Finity> I know why kotau....
[05:56] <Finity> actually, I don't even have Ubuntu yet... sorry to get your hopes up :|
[05:56] <noobuntu> exlt: /var/log/apache2 has no files and I don't believe I saw http listening... :(
[05:56] <linux_mafia> Finity, hi, whats up
[05:56] <noobuntu> I'll try the start again
[05:56] <Finity> not much... you?
[05:57] <linux_mafia> Finity, jus chillin, trying to get beagle going
[05:57] <exlt> noobuntu: if no files, then it did not start up at all - you got no feedback when starting the server?  /var/lg/messages or syslog have anything helpful?
[05:57] <strixy> Can anyone help me figure out how to change my host name / domain name in Ubuntu from localhost.localdomain to mydomain.com?
[05:57] <noobuntu> exlt: yeah when I start the service it doesn't report anything to the screen - no messages or anything... will look at var log msgs next
[05:58] <noobuntu> messages has only 1 line: Jan  9 06:47:02 localhost syslogd 1.4.1#14ubuntu4: restart.
[05:59] <noobuntu> exlt.. hold on... messages.0 looks like it has some useful stuff...
[05:59] <noobuntu> Jan  9 06:22:14 localhost gconfd (root-3988): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only configuration source at position 0
[05:59] <noobuntu> Jan  9 06:22:14 localhost gconfd (root-3988): Resolved address "xml:readwrite:/root/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 1
[05:59] <noobuntu> Jan  9 06:22:14 localhost gconfd (root-3988): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a read-only configuration source at position 2
[05:59] <noobuntu> Jan  9 06:25:28 localhost syslogd 1.4.1#14ubuntu4: restart.
[05:59] <noobuntu> Jan  9 06:40:51 localhost -- MARK --
[05:59] <exlt> noobuntu: nah...
[05:59] <noobuntu> oh.. :-|
[06:00] <exlt> noobuntu: did you just apt-get install apache2 (and the deps)
[06:00] <noobuntu> exlt: yes
[06:00] <exlt> noobuntu: installing now...
[06:01] <noobuntu> exlt: what do you mean 'installing now'... oh... did you mean I had to do some extra stuff to install it?
[06:01] <exlt> noobuntu: no, I am installing apache
[06:02] <noobuntu> oh... :)
[06:02] <exlt> noobuntu: you should have also gotten - The following extra packages will be installed: apache2-common apache2-mpm-worker libapr0 libpcre3 openssl ssl-cert
[06:03] <noobuntu> I will see if I have those....
[06:03] <AigleDor> is it possible to have more than one X session?
[06:03] <mjr> yes
[06:03] <AigleDor> how?
[06:04] <AigleDor> startx doesnt work
[06:04] <noobuntu> exlt: woops... I didn't get any of the mpm-worker stuff... getting it now...
[06:04] <mjr> applications/system tools/new login is the easiest way
[06:04] <exlt> noobuntu: zero changes to configs and '/etc/init.d/apache2 start' gives me 'tcp6       0      0 *:www                   *:*                     LISTEN'
[06:05] <andreas_> does anybody know when more of the 32bits programs gonna get supported by ubuntu 64
[06:05] <andreas_> in the apt get servers
[06:05] <crimsun> andreas_: hoary has considerably more.
[06:06] <daniels> andreas_: which ones in particular?
[06:06] <kotau> fixed it... my background was an image from a NTFS diskthat I had mounted, but I had the wrong fstab mount to properly view the drive [I had put a gid that didnt exist in the permissions] 
[06:06] <kotau> so now I get transparency again wheee
[06:06] <andreas_> i got warthy, how do i get hoary in a easy way?
[06:06] <crimsun> andreas_: you wait until April :-)
[06:07] <andreas_> :(
[06:07] <Benjamin_L> ^^
[06:07] <noobuntu> exlt: YOU ARE A GENIUS!!!!!!!! *mwah* :D
[06:07] <noobuntu> it worked a treat... yay!!!!
[06:07] <exlt> nah, just an apache user...
[06:07] <exlt> :)
[06:07] <noobuntu> I hope one day I am good enought to be able to help others like you :)
[06:07] <andreas_> when i get rich, i gonne give 10% to one linux communityu ;)
[06:07] <kotau> makes it all worthwhile eh?
[06:08] <exlt> noobuntu: next person that asks about apache is all yours ;)
[06:08] <noobuntu> okay now my bf is chomping at the bait to get out of the house and do something other than all this linuxy stuff so I have to go... see you all soon!!!
[06:08] <reijo01> hi
[06:08] <andreas_> hi'
[06:09] <reijo01> I just installed ubuntu and am trying to get a wireless adaptor to work
[06:09] <reijo01> it's a dlink dwl-120
[06:09] <andreas_> how do i install xmms skins on my 64 bit, without dchroot
[06:09] <sikon> pci or usb?
[06:09] <reijo01> usb
[06:09] <reijo01> the device isn't be recognized i believe
[06:09] <linux_mafia> 
[06:09] <kent> andreas_, well.. just download them from internet and put in ~/.xmms ?  There is a skind folder in the xmms folder.
[06:09] <Ensiferum> hmm. has anyone setup NIS on ubuntu client?
[06:10] <linux_mafia> any hebrew speakers here?
[06:10] <Ensiferum> i dont get the nis client up and running.
[06:10] <sikon> who could help with gnome icon theme setup?
[06:10] <ulx> hi people.. trying to get sound to work on ubuntu warty.. no luck so far.. i have a gigabyte 7vt600p-rz motherboard with a realtek alc655 codec integrated sound card.
[06:11] <linux_mafia> kent, its .xmms/skins i think
[06:12] <reijo01> to get a usb wireless adaptor to work, do I need to set up ndiswrapper?
[06:12] <grepper> is there a built in graphical way to disable shutdown from desktop logout screen for a user ?
[06:12] <reijo01> because  i was reading a howto on the site that makes it seem like it might work
[06:13] <grepper> the only thing I see is disabling it in the gdm login screen
[06:13] <grepper> and lockdown stuff in gconf doesn't have it
[06:13] <reijo01> however I can't find the ndiswrapper when I fire up the synaptic package manager
[06:13] <crimsun> grepper: yeah, I only know of editing /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[06:13] <arzajac> can someone help me with ipmasq?  It is going the wonrg way.  How can I change the default-if?
[06:14] <[Phaedrus] > if you see a device on the device manager, does it mean it is supported?
[06:14] <grepper> crimsun, ah. ok thanks
[06:14] <new-ubuntu> Hi all I have a quick question about trying to install Ubuntu for the first time, WinXP machine won't boot from CD even after setting BIOS and recording CD twice from two different sources... any ideas please? Thanks
[06:14] <grepper> hopefully this one is being thought about as far as usablility is concerned
[06:15] <new-ubuntu> ...liveCD worked fine though
[06:15] <linux_mafia> heh, #debian got a "thumbs down" in the arstechnica 2004 list
[06:16] <reijo01> hi, is dlink dwl-120 wireless adaptor going to work with ubuntu or do I need a different wireless device?
[06:17] <reijo01> its not on the hardware list on the ubuntu site
[06:17] <linux_mafia> new-ubuntu, how are you burning the iso? and have you tried the cds on another comp just to make sure they are ok?
[06:17] <sobralense> reijo01, what chipset is?
[06:17] <reijo01> hmm, not sure
[06:17] <reijo01> how do I find out sobralense?
[06:17] <[Phaedrus] > reijo01: what does it say?
[06:17] <maps73> Vaportrail, HY, HOE ARE YOU???
[06:17] <reijo01> it doesn't say anything
[06:17] <maps73> sorryyyy
[06:17] <new-ubuntu> thanks l-mafia, burning with nero start smart, haven't tried on another computer... no other computer right now
[06:18] <new-ubuntu> used same nero for livecd too and it worked is what I don't get
[06:18] <new-ubuntu> this time boots into xp after spinning the cd a little
[06:18] <crimsun> ulx: you need a newer version of ALSA. There are several approaches to tackling this issue.
[06:18] <airxdres> hello
[06:19] <sobralense> reijo01, did you already used linux with it?
[06:19] <grepper> crimsun, actually I couldn't see a way to do this on a per user basis in gdm.conf
[06:19] <linux_mafia> new-ubuntu, try using nero proper, not startsmart, and going selecting the "burn image" option, rather than using startsmart
[06:19] <ArCHoNKoG> why doesn't gdesklet work ?
[06:19] <ulx> crimsun: i had a look at the wike and changed somethings in modprobe aliases.. but no luck..
[06:19] <sobralense> reijo01, generally "lspci" show
[06:19] <new-ubuntu> any other way if we don't have the real nero?
[06:19] <ulx> crimsun: what do u suggest?
[06:20] <reijo01> sobralense no, I just got the adapator and installed ubuntu 4.10 fresh this morning
[06:20] <sobralense> reijo01, is it an usb adapter?!
[06:20] <linux_mafia> new-ubuntu, to have startsmart, you must have the real nero ;)
[06:20] <reijo01> yes it is usb
[06:20] <crimsun> grepper: I don't know of one, only system-wide
[06:20] <reijo01> i'll try the lspci command
[06:20] <ArCHoNKoG> why doesn't gdesklet working get a error about gtkhtml
[06:20] <new-ubuntu> linux_mafia, so it's another program probably on the computer, I use mac and helping a friend to de-xp
[06:20] <linux_mafia> new-ubuntu, its just called "nero burning rom" in the menu iirc
[06:21] <crimsun> ulx: using ALSA 1.0.7, which means you'll need the 'build-essential' and 'kernel-package' packages installed
[06:21] <new-ubuntu> linux_mafia, thanks I'll look. brb
[06:21] <crimsun> ulx: and you'll use the 'alsa-source' deb from Debian Sid
[06:22] <sobralense> ArCHoNKoG, try taking a look at www.ubuntuforums.org
[06:22] <grepper> crimsun ok, thanks - that option is available in system config->login screen setup as well
[06:22] <sobralense> ArCHoNKoG, go to "howto.." section and search for "gdesklets"
[06:22] <crimsun> grepper: oh, excellent.
[06:23] <Ed_Gein> where do I add  nvidia to have the module automagically loaded at boot?
[06:23] <new-ubuntu> linux_mafia: hi again, we have nero burning rom, please which settings do you recommend? we have boot-cd, and also iso image which looked same as what we did in start smart.
[06:23] <crimsun> Ed_Gein: you don't need to as long as you have the 'nvidia-kernel-common' package installed.
[06:23] <crimsun> Ed_Gein: dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-common|grep ^ii|awk -F' ' '{print $3}'
[06:24] <Ed_Gein> crimsun:I have to manually load the nvidia module everytime I reboot
[06:24] <crimsun> Ed_Gein: run that long dpkg command I just typed
[06:25] <Ed_Gein>  dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-common|grep ^ii|awk -F' ' '{print
[06:25] <Ed_Gein> >           $3}'
[06:25] <Ed_Gein> ii  nvidia-kernel- 1.0.6111+1ubun NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[06:25] <Ed_Gein> john@Darksky:~ $
[06:25] <ArCHoNKoG> sobralense, it hoary
[06:25] <ArCHoNKoG> sobralense, the daemon loads but when i want weather i get an error
[06:25] <sobralense> ArCHoNKoG, =/
[06:26] <sobralense> wait
[06:26] <strixy> hello
[06:26] <linux_mafia> Ed_Gein, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[06:26] <strixy> I'm trying to change localhost.localdomin to myhost.mydomain. I edited etc/hosts with no luck
[06:27] <Ed_Gein> linux_mafia :Error: your XFree86 configuration has been altered.
[06:27] <Ed_Gein> This script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this
[06:27] <Ed_Gein> not correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following
[06:27] <Ed_Gein> command:
[06:27] <Ed_Gein> sudo md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
[06:27] <Ed_Gein> otherwise edit manually /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to change the Driver section
[06:27] <Ed_Gein> from nv to nvidia.
[06:27] <sobralense> ArCHoNKoG, read my post: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3012&page=5&pp=10
[06:28] <sobralense> ArCHoNKoG, and then tells if works
[06:28] <linux_mafia> strixy, how are you checking? hostname -f ?
[06:29] <Ed_Gein> linux_mafia : I've manully changed nv to nvidia. But, at every reboot I have to manually load the nvidia module and then startx. Its not a huge problem .But I would rather not have to do so,
[06:29] <new-ubuntu> linux_mafia: if you get a second do you mind recommending burn settings for the iso, and if it's not that do you know any reason why it'd go right into xp are there settings we should change in xp like setting partitions before using the ubuntu iso or anything you can think of please thanks?
[06:30] <vafnord> xmms suddenly quit working
[06:30] <vafnord> Error: Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libindustrial.so",
[06:30] <crimsun> vafnord: reinstall 'gtk2-engines-industrial'
[06:30] <linuxjones> Ed_Gein, you can add nvidia to /etc/modules
[06:30] <linux_mafia> Ed_Gein, oh, edit /etc/modules, and put a line that says nvidia
[06:30] <strixy> linux_mafia: I was getting an error in my exim log file. "no host name found for IP address 192.168.1.1"
[06:31] <strixy> I read up on etc/hosts and am about to try another configuration.
[06:31] <Ed_Gein> linux_mafia
[06:31] <linux_mafia> new-ubuntu, defaults should be ok
[06:31] <Ed_Gein> ;Very strange. Its already there
[06:32] <strixy> bbiab
[06:32] <new-ubuntu> linux_mafia, we'll try one more time thanks
[06:32] <linux_mafia> new-ubuntu, ok man
[06:32] <new-ubuntu> linux_mafia: If we do it right should it just bring up the ubuntu screens right away after booting from the CD?
[06:33] <linux_mafia> new-ubuntu, yep, but before that, get another known bootable cd, a windows one perhaps, and see if that will boot, then youll know if its the cd or the computer
[06:34] <vafnord> crimson: Done, but I get the same error.  Do I need to restart gnome?
[06:34] <ArCHoNKoG> sobralense, worked
[06:34] <crimsun> vafnord: you may need to log out and back in, yes.
[06:34] <new-ubuntu> linux_mafia, does the ubuntu livecd count, that works every time
[06:35] <raid> hey all, any1 here to help some newbie?
[06:35] <vafnord> crimsun: thanks
[06:36] <sobralense> ArCHoNKoG, =)
[06:36] <new-ubuntu> raid: what's the problem
[06:36] <sobralense> ArCHoNKoG, try search first on forums..
[06:36] <raid> new-ubuntu: havin some trouble with UDP/TCP port config for aMule usage...
[06:37] <new-ubuntu> raid: that's all through your router right?
[06:37] <new-ubuntu> raid: the configurations
[06:37] <vafnord> No change
[06:37] <raid> new-ubuntu: yup but i completely turned off firewall option and intrusion detection
[06:38] <new-ubuntu> raid: and all ports are already listed as forwarded?
[06:38] <Finity> hello everyone ;)
[06:38] <xvlun> hi
[06:38] <vafnord> Yo
[06:38] <raid> new-ubuntu: aint sure, guess so... but not sure... how can i check?
[06:38] <sobralense> I need a howto get those _ants_(yes, those insects) off my desk! =P
[06:38] <new-ubuntu> raid: I mean according to the listing of which ports are supposed to be
[06:39] <new-ubuntu> raid: gotta go, I don't know any more about it than that.
[06:39] <raid> new-ubuntu: k, thx anyway :D
[06:39] <new-ubuntu> linux_mafia: thanks we're trying the new recorded CD
[06:39] <linux_mafia> new-ubuntu, shit sorry, i forgot you mentioned that
[06:40] <linux_mafia> new-ubuntu, the live cd that is
[06:40] <new-ubuntu> linux_mafia: no prob, if it works we'l try linux and if not maybe we'll be back. seems like win is overriding the cd booting, though it could have just been poorly recorded both times...?
[06:41] <Finity> wo is Egl?
[06:41] <raid> any 1 here care to help me out a bit? havin trouble with amule
[06:42] <new-ubuntu> linux_mafia: thanks, bye
[06:42] <scizzo> raid: maybe someone could help you if they knew what the problem is
[06:42] <scizzo> raid: just ask...don't ask to ask
[06:43] <HostingGeek> no ask to ask
[06:43] <Finity> lol
[06:44] <raid> connected through router, when i connect to amule i get lowID cause my TCP/UDP ports seem to be blocked... but i already shut down all firewall/blocking options of my router...
[06:44] <raid> dont know what else to do cause i'm still noobish on linux and internet protocol...
[06:44] <poof> I am looking for Mplayer in synaptic, and cant find the install packages... is it called something else in ubuntu?
[06:45] <HostingGeek> raid: no the internet and linux are noowish to you
[06:47] <Cred> Hey, where could I get gimp-devel package? Doesn't seem to be in Hoary repo
[06:47] <Ribs> poof, remember to add the universe repository to synaptic
[06:47] <raid> Hostingeek: riiight T_T any helpful hint? what really annoys me is that i already used amule wit mandrake, same router...and just went cool
[06:47] <randabis-wireles> yay finally fixed my sound problem
[06:47] <raid> so it must be some ubuntu config, any1?
[06:47] <poof> I have both universe cheched
[06:47] <Ensiferum> can anyone clarify wtf +:::::: does in /etc/passwd file? :|
[06:47] <poof> checked
[06:48] <Cred> uh oh, libgimp
[06:48] <P2f> raid, it's not ubuntu thats something wrong with, it's amule it stinks
[06:48] <raid> any alternative option?
[06:49] <P2f> sudo apt-get install libwxgtk2.4-python bittorrent
[06:49] <poof> Bump, wonder if I can use a .DEB and get Mplayer
[06:50] <Prower> poof: mplayer is in Christian Marillat's set of packages, there's a page on the Ubuntu site about how to add those to your sources
[06:50] <P2f> raid, http://www.shareaza.com/
[06:50] <zicho> hall hall
[06:50] <zicho> hello hello
[06:50] <poof> Cool thanks
[06:50] <linux_mafia> raid, i always get low ids, ports are open, so dunno, donkey network sux anyway
[06:50] <raid> p2f: great thx man, one more thing.... how da hell can i recover download files wit torrent?
[06:51] <linux_mafia> raid, you have java working?
[06:51] <raid> found none saved in "torrent" dir....
[06:51] <raid> yup...
[06:51] <Nonphasis> aaargh
[06:51] <linux_mafia> raid, you using azureus?
[06:51] <Nonphasis> upgraded to Hoary
[06:51] <P2f> raid, if you stop a download with bt you can resume the download by starting again later and saving to the same direktory as the first time
[06:52] <Nonphasis> "/etc/X11/X is not executable"
[06:52] <Nonphasis> from startx
[06:52] <Nonphasis> suck
[06:52] <raid> linux_mafia: yeah
[06:53] <P2f> raid, i can't help a lot with problems right now my linux is running on a laptop and the psu is currently dead, waiting for a new from my supplier
[06:53] <raid> p2f: ok, thx again....
[06:53] <linux_mafia> raid, oh, ok, was just gonna reccomend it, thats all, but you already use it, so ..... ;)
[06:53] <Mabus> oooh, some of the mono packages have moved to supported.
[06:53] <raid> p2f: well, u did help me anyway....
[06:54] <raid> linux_mafia: yeah, its just that i think there is more stuff on edonkey servers...
[06:54] <raid> linux_mafia: couldnt find some real good torrent tracker...
[06:54] <Nonphasis> yay
[06:54] <linux_mafia> raid, i'll agree partly, what you lookin for exactly?
[06:55] <Nonphasis> got it working by re-symlinking it to Xorg instead of XFree86
[06:55] <P2f> raid, www.torrentreactor.net
[06:56] <linux-rulz> i was just wondering, how come updated kernel modules and restricted kernel modules weren't released with todays kernel update?
[06:56] <Prower> eDonkey is nice, if you like waiting three years for enough sources for the file
[06:56] <poof> omg it would be easyer to just build Mplayer from source, Think I might just install Debian today and get all the packages I need from apt-get.
[06:57] <Gwildor> poof: good day :)
[06:57] <linux-rulz> poof: MPlayer is incredibly easy to compile....there shouldnt be many others you need to compile
[06:58] <nuOpus76> hey
[06:58] <poof> Yea i am going to try it after breakfast.. I got Blender and Wings to compile pretty easy...
[06:59] <Prower> poof: It's not hard, you just edit the two files in /etc/apt and apt-get install mplayer
[06:59] <nuOpus> I know it may be old news ... but have you guys read the 2004 artstechnia awars?
[06:59] <crimsun> some people have :-)
[07:00] <linux_mafia> nuOpus, yep
[07:00] <nuOpus> good stuff .... I liked the thumbs down
[07:00] <linux_mafia> nuOpus, me too
[07:00] <linux_mafia> nuOpus, just gonna say that
[07:00] <nuOpus> especially with the #debian room ... its true. I tend to like the people here more than in the debian channel
[07:00] <poof> yea, I will try google again, perhaps an ubuntu forum search this time too...
[07:01] <nuOpus> Anyone else excited to see the new ATI drivers being released next week?
[07:01] <poof> WOOT!
[07:01] <poof> ATI?
[07:01] <nuOpus> Ya
[07:01] <poof> I have 2 ati cards :)
[07:01] <nuOpus> ya
[07:01] <Finity> I have ATI
[07:01] <nuOpus> daniels ... an ubuntu developer posted he already has the ati drivers version 8.08 ready and packaged
[07:02] <nuOpus> he is just waiting for ATI to give the goahead
[07:02] <poof> That is neat, I can finaly dump this Nvidia 5500FX :) hope the drivers work well, te 9800pro is very nice in windows...
[07:02] <nuOpus> xorg-driver-fglrx_6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[07:03] <nuOpus> filename for the 8.8 version on amd64
[07:03] <Finity> I have a 9600
[07:03] <poof> wow! so ATI releasing 64bit drivers for linux too? This would be verry nice !!!
[07:03] <nuOpus> it will work
[07:03] <broodster> poof really?
[07:03] <nuOpus> ya that was the deb for the 64 bit version poof
[07:03] <broodster> really?
[07:03] <broodster> really?
[07:04] <poof> Thanks for the info Nuopus :)
[07:04] <nuOpus> no prob
[07:04] <nuOpus> he said ... "Well, they seem to work ... pretty quick, too." - daniels
[07:04] <poof> desk
[07:05] <andreas_> where did you see that ati was posting drivers?
[07:05] <andreas_> please tell me
[07:05] <nuOpus> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10441&page=1&pp=10
[07:05] <nuOpus> well it has been well known .... although ATI said in December of 2004
[07:05] <poof> lol
[07:06] <nuOpus> an Ubuntu developer already has it packaged and waiting untill next week ... but its only a LITTLE bit late
[07:06] <xvlun> dont get excited too early, this is ati, not apple
[07:06] <{GoldenEye}> just testing
[07:06] <poof> yea the drivers might suck (again)
[07:07] <randabis-wireles> lol
[07:07] <randabis-wireles> new ati drivers?
[07:07] <poof> yea next week
[07:07] <randabis-wireles> ah
[07:07] <nuOpus> xvlun: well .... I dont believe a thing ATI says ... again they did say December. BUT ... I do trust daniels .. an Ubuntu developer who says they are already packaged and he has tested them
[07:07] <randabis-wireles> the last round of ati drivers improved performance, so hopefully these ones will too for the ati guys
[07:08] <poof> Cool, I will be able to use them in y favorite distro!
[07:08] <nuOpus> dont know him .... BUT it did say Ubuntu Developer in the forums! LOL
[07:08] <nuOpus> im just excited
[07:08] <xvlun> yaeh, and ati just released the patchset to make them run with 2.6.10, but i fear they'll suck again
[07:08] <randabis-wireles> heh
[07:08] <daniels> i think this 'daniels' guy is fairly trustworthy
[07:08] <nuOpus> xvlun: Probably true. But at least they will work to power my screen savers without jerking!
[07:08] <nuOpus> lol
[07:09] <randabis-wireles> well after many headaches, hoary is finally completely working
[07:09] <poof> I hope they are as easy to install as the nvidia drivers
[07:09] <nuOpus> randabis-wireles: Ya ... I am using hoary too. Installed from a Hoary test CD which worked great!
[07:09] <andreas_> how can i get my mplayer size to get bigger
[07:09] <crimsun> andreas_: -xy or -zoom
[07:09] <andreas_> thanks
[07:09] <randabis-wireles> ah, I just updated to hoary by changing my sources.list
[07:10] <randabis-wireles> spent all night getting it to work correctly...hehe now finally we're good to go
[07:10] <nuOpus> andreas_: Are you using the xv video out? You can edit the /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf file to change vo to xv and it will work better if your card supports it
[07:10] <nuOpus> andreas_: Then you can just press f and have it go full screen.
[07:11] <nuOpus> randabis-wireles: Ya ... the only thing that kept me with Ubuntu is Hoary ... otherwise I would still be with Gentoo. I love to keep up to date. If not for Hoary ... Warty would have aggrivated me
[07:12] <randabis-wireles> heh gentoo would be torture on this laptop
[07:12] <drspin> randabis-wireles: I installed Gentoo on my other laptop and it was entirely painless
[07:12] <nuOpus> randabis-wireles: Ya ... fortunately I have a fast laptop with hyperthreading
[07:13] <drspin> randabis-wireles: as a matter of fact, it's still on that laptop ;)
[07:13] <randabis-wireles> but your laptop was probably not a pentium 3 450 mhz drspin
[07:13] <nuOpus> drspin: I am still debating on which is better for me ... Ubuntu or Gentoo
[07:13] <drspin> randabis-wireles: WORSE! Apple Powerbook 3500c
[07:13] <nuOpus> randdabis-wireles: In your case go Ubuntu!
[07:13] <randabis-wireles> I am already
[07:14] <drspin> nuOpus: I like the Gentoo concept for a server -- I REALLY like Ubuntu for my home PC
[07:14] <randabis-wireles> done gentoo more than once, just not practical for this laptop
[07:14] <nuOpus> randabis-wireles: Or you could have used catalyst to compile a GRP CD on a faster computer FOR your laptop
[07:14] <xvlun> hehe, im running gentoo on this machine and think about changing to debian/ubuntu ;)
[07:15] <randabis-wireles> xvlun, it's worth it if you hate waiting for crap to compile
[07:15] <nuOpus> I created a GRP CD for my friends platform that contained the software he needed so he didnt have to compile cuz he has a slower computer .. and still be built with optimized settings
[07:15] <randabis-wireles> yeah I know about grps
[07:15] <nuOpus> xvlun: Ya .... Ubuntu Hoary on my desktop
[07:15] <drspin> nuOpus: randabis-wireles: You could also just use the Gentoo GRP cd's -- they work rather well -- then you can update only the packages that you NEED to...
[07:16] <nuOpus> drspin: You can create your own grp cd's with your own packages with your own compile options
[07:16] <randabis-wireles> I know...I'm just happy with my hoary setup, and don't plan to spend a bunch of time resetting everything back up after I just now got everything how I want it
[07:16] <drspin> nuOpus: heh - of course! but I was providing the most painless solution for all parties involved! ;)
[07:17] <nuOpus> drspin: ya .. of course! Anyhoo I still love Ubuntu Hoary ... I am keeping it on my desktop machine
[07:17] <randabis-wireles> same
[07:17] <randabis-wireles> perfect for this laptop...it runs great
[07:17] <nuOpus> my only issue with any of them is the lack of ATI drivers for XORG!!! But supposedly we have to wait until next week ... CANT WAIT!! The suspense is killing me!
[07:18] <daniels> it's monday morning here, so think of it as this week
[07:18] <randabis-wireles> meh, I don't have an ati card so it's not an issue
[07:18] <randabis-wireles> I'd never use ati on a linux machine in the first place
[07:18] <nuOpus> daniels!! Are they out????
[07:18] <nuOpus> daniels: You did say "next week"
[07:18] <nuOpus> lol
[07:19] <JDahl> nuOpus, the free drivers arent that bad, are they? I tried both version in Warty and the ATI drivers didnt seem faster for me
[07:19] <nuOpus> JDahl: The ones on xorg do not support my card
[07:19] <randabis-wireles> now just gotta get around to unpacking the main box and connecting it so I can update that to hoary as well
[07:19] <nuOpus> JDahl: ATI Radeon 9800 works WITHOUT 3D accel
[07:20] <daniels> nuOpus: no, not yet
[07:21] <nuOpus> daniels: As long as you say they work good (from your post on ubuntuforums) I am happy with that and will have to wait I guess
[07:22] <randabis-wireles> be back
[07:22] <daniels> nuOpus: they still have a couple of issues wrt freezing if you have programs exiting uncleanly, but other than that, they seem to work
[07:22] <nuOpus> Have any of you had the issue in hoary where when you log in you only see a blank desktop and it just holds there until you press ctrl-alt-backspace
[07:22] <drspin> how broken is Hoary?
[07:22] <daniels> nuOpus: only used them for about 20min though; 
[07:22] <crimsun> drspin: it's fun for the entire family!
[07:22] <drspin> crimsun: LOL
[07:23] <drspin> K - I'll leave it alone for now
[07:23] <linux_mafia> drspin, only very slightly for me
[07:23] <nuOpus> It works if I am the only one logging in ... but if you get people logging out and logging in it will freeze like that
[07:23] <linux_mafia> drspin, almost not at all
[07:23] <nuOpus> other than that ... Hoary is great
[07:24] <drspin> I'm just getting REALLY comfortable in Linux so I'll leave it alone for now ;)
[07:24] <drspin> Although using Synaptic upgrading and downgrading is pretty easy :) :)
[07:24] <linux_mafia> i reccomend getting the hoary/array cd though, so you dont have as much to upgrade
[07:24] <nuOpus> drspin: experimenting is all in the fun
[07:24] <nuOpus> linux_mafia: ya... I installed from those ... I did find one issue with them though
[07:25] <linux_mafia> nuOpus, what was that?
[07:25] <nuOpus> linux_mafia: If you say not to download packages from the internet it will try to install from the cache that was copied from the CD. BUT it says that it is not authenticated because there is no key??
[07:25] <nuOpus> and then fails to install any of them
[07:26] <Ensiferum> can anyone explain how the fuck this NIS thing is supposed to distribute the user data? :|
[07:26] <linux_mafia> nuOpus, ok, didnt hit that one myself
[07:26] <nuOpus> Hey .... limit the language enhancers! LOL
[07:26] <linux_mafia> Ensiferum, language please. heh, what user data?
[07:26] <linux_mafia> Ensiferum, i mean what user data in particular
[07:27] <Ensiferum> linux_mafia: users+passwords and groups to begin with.
[07:27] <nuOpus> linux_mafia: Ya ... when you uncomment the repos and apt-get update ... THEN it is fine and will install from the ones in cache. BUT not without updating. Frustrating if you are installing on a laptop without wifi access at first
[07:28] <Ensiferum> linux_mafia: if i add a new user to my NIS server, i dont get how that user account is usable from the clients. I have gathered from the messy docs, that the client machine will consult with the NIS server for the authentication, but then what? the client machine doesnt even have a home folder setup for the user...
[07:29] <linux_mafia> Ensiferum, oh god
[07:29] <Ensiferum> linux_mafia: hum? :|
[07:29] <nuOpus> Ensiferum: You must unleash the Ubuntu gopher people that live underground to construct each home for you! DUH!
[07:29] <linux_mafia> Ensiferum, ok home dirs are distributed through nfs normally, and you can have a home dir created on first log in
[07:30] <linux_mafia> Ensiferum, personally though, id go for ldap as opposed to nis
[07:30] <Ensiferum> linux_mafia: why?
[07:31] <linux_mafia> Ensiferum, you can secure it more easily, use it in conjunction with kerberos etc, and it is the way forward, nis is archaic, its just that it generally "just works" tm, heh
[07:32] <drspin> I just installed tla -- what configuration do I need to do before I use it?
[07:32] <Ensiferum> linux_mafia: i see.
[07:32] <Ensiferum> linux_mafia: dunno really if i have the energy to start working that out though :p
[07:32] <randabis-wireles> back with a vengence
[07:32] <linux_mafia> Ensiferum, although if you have a small network, with no pressing security concerns nis is ok, have you read the nis how to?
[07:33] <linux_mafia> Ensiferum, oh, and ldap is not that hard really
[07:33] <nuOpus> drspin: What have you just installed?
[07:34] <tidalwav> hi room
[07:34] <drspin> nuOpus: TLA - an implementation of ARCH
[07:34] <trey3> nuOpus: apt-cache show tla  ;)
[07:34] <tidalwav> I still have the same problem that I did yesterday...can't get my DWL-122 wireless lan card (prism2 chipset--usb) to work with ndiswrapper
[07:34] <kotau> tidalwav, I'll have you know that you've been vey bad
[07:35] <tidalwav> kotau: why, whatever do you mean? ;)
[07:35] <nuOpus> trey3: yes yes yes
[07:35] <kotau> all that death tsk tsk
[07:35] <tidalwav> kotau: speak for yourself.
[07:35] <nuOpus> trey3: have you just woke up?
[07:35] <tidalwav> I'm not a tsunami
[07:35] <kotau> I cant!  I cant find my mouth!
[07:35] <tidalwav> I'm a tidalwav
[07:35] <tidalwav> not a tidalwavE
[07:35] <tidalwav> a tidalwav
[07:35] <tidalwav> lol
[07:35] <trey3> nuOpus: hah... nah... just got done playing Wesnoth  :)
[07:36] <kotau> oh ok welcome to cool kids club
[07:36] <tidalwav> so yeah, now, when my compy starts, when it says configuring network devices, I get prism2sta_getcardinfo: failed to retrieve nicidentiy
[07:36] <tidalwav> prism2sta_getcardinfo: failed, result=-5
[07:36] <tidalwav> prism2sta_ifstate: getcardinfo() prism2sta_failed, result=-5
[07:36] <nuOpus> kotau: My parents are still trying to get tickets to thailand .... have cousins there
[07:36] <kotau> nu0; hope  everythings ok... fatality count increasing geometrically...
[07:37] <tidalwav> nu0, is everyone okay?
[07:37] <tidalwav> lol, jynx, kotau
[07:37] <trey3> nuOpus: ever checked out wesnoth? fun little game
[07:37] <nuOpus> kotau: So far .. have not heard anything from one of my cousins .. that is why they are trying to go there .. .I with I had the money
[07:37] <kotau> hope the fundies with their fingers on the buttons dont see the tsunami as any kind of portent
[07:37] <poof> Hooray! Mplayer compiled like a charm! Thanks for the encouragement :)
[07:38] <nuOpus> kotau: hell ... if I had the means I would build a banana boat and go there! lol
[07:38] <nuOpus> trey3: no
[07:38] <kotau> nu0pus; Kon Tiki style?
[07:38] <nuOpus> kotau: Yes!!!
[07:38] <nuOpus> kotau: You asian?
[07:38] <tidalwav> that is a LONG book :p
[07:39] <kotau> nu0pus: I'm just well read, thats all
[07:39] <Ensiferum> linux_mafia: what's the gist of ldap then? the whole thing started with me wanting to share files nicely between few linux machines. i setup nfs, but then noticed the tediousness of file management between users and grups and started looking into this NIS thing, which by the way has been rather painful operation so far.
[07:39] <nuOpus> kotau: Im actually filipino ... but have family all over the place ... Thailand, Lao ... etc..
[07:40] <kotau> I'm third generation Germano-austrian in the states
[07:40] <nuOpus> trey3: So you ready to come back to school Monday?
[07:40] <linux_mafia> Ensiferum, lightweight directory access protocol, like AD in win
[07:40] <nuOpus> ahhh
[07:40] <trey3> nuOpus: almost looking forward to it... heh  :)
[07:40] <crimsun> heh, we've been in session since Thursday.
[07:41] <nuOpus> crimsun: we go back tomorrow
[07:41] <crimsun> fun ;-)
[07:41] <linux_mafia> i would have rather gone on "ra" than "kontiki"
[07:41] <nuOpus> trey3: Dont know how I will cope ... sitting at my desk like a lump and all! lol
[07:41] <trey3> nuOpus: although not really looking forward to playing with DOS and NT 4.0 again...
[07:41] <trey3> nuOpus: hah  :)
[07:42] <kotau> I knew some people that traveled on the Startide too
[07:42] <nuOpus> trey3: Hey... the rules specifically state that I cannot help you guys! LOL
[07:42] <kotau> hehe
[07:42] <nuOpus> trey3: So I just sit like a lump
[07:42] <trey3> nuOpus: :P  must be such a hard job
[07:43] <nuOpus> trey3: DUDE!! They have me teaching Windows next block!!!
[07:43] <trey3> nuOpus: haha... that should be fun too  :)
[07:43] <nuOpus> trey3: what kind of crock is that?
[07:43] <trey3> nuOpus: GUI or the server classes?
[07:43] <lemao> could anyone help me with fixing my grub install?
[07:43] <nuOpus> trey3: server
[07:43] <Ensiferum> linux_mafia: mkay, just reading about it a bit. does it facilitate simple file sharing over lan between computers?
[07:43] <trey3> nuOpus: whoa... have fun with that  :P
[07:43] <nuOpus> tidalwav: what was your prob?
[07:44] <nuOpus> oh the prism
[07:44] <tidalwav> nu0pus: can't get my prism2 based USB wireless ethernet card to work with ndiswrapper
[07:44] <tidalwav> nu0: ah, you scrolled up
[07:44] <tidalwav> lol
[07:44] <nirr> anyone here using kde ?
[07:44] <tidalwav> nirr: nah, too lazy to install it
[07:44] <nirr> thats the reason u'r aint using kde ?
[07:44] <nirr> hehe
[07:45] <trey3> nirr: why ever would you want to do that?  ;)
[07:45] <tidalwav> yeah
[07:45] <tidalwav> :)
[07:45] <nuOpus> tidalwav: Does it work after the boot... like from the console: Try iwconfig and see if it finds it
[07:45] <tidalwav> well
[07:45] <nirr> and if its better ?
[07:45] <trey3> nirr: if you need help with it though... try #debian-kde ... same packages etc..
[07:45] <nirr> dont you think kde is better ?
[07:46] <tidalwav> no0: nah, it's not binding to anything
[07:46] <tidalwav> nu0: ndiswrapper says hardware not present
[07:46] <nuOpus> tidalwav: I had a prob with the wireless on bootup like that too. but worked at console. My fix was to have ndiswrapper load FIRST from the /etc/modules file then it worked ... maybe it takes a few seconds to init .. I dont know
[07:46] <martinal> Hi people :) Is anyone here familiar with mayavi for python? apt-get complains that mayavi needs python (<2.4), and I have 2.4 installed. How do I find out if anyone is working on making this work? The mayavi sourceforge page has no info on this. (Running Hoary).
[07:46] <nuOpus> oh
[07:46] <nuOpus> tidalwav: What version of ndiswrapper?
[07:46] <nirr> its just me or most of debian/ubunti are using gnome and gentoo ppl tend to use KDE
[07:46] <nirr> or uts just me :)
[07:47] <tidalwav> nu0: no idea, just apt-getted
[07:47] <tidalwav> apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[07:47] <tidalwav> :p
[07:47] <nuOpus> nirr: I do not like kde at all
[07:47] <nuOpus> nirr: The Gentoo install on laptop is using GNOME
[07:47] <nirr> btw
[07:48] <nuOpus> tidalwav: Hmmmm I got mine working . used the newest one though
[07:48] <JDahl> nuOpus, me neither, so why is everyone proclaiming GNOME to be dead and KDE the desktop of the future?
[07:48] <nirr> can i compile ubunto from the begining ..
[07:48] <randabis-wireles> yeah kde - evil
[07:48] <tidalwav> nu0: you compiled from soiurce?
[07:48] <nuOpus> only takes a few seconds
[07:48] <nirr> think i'll try ubuntu :)
[07:48] <trey3> JDahl: because they took too much acid?  KDE has no corporate backing... it will never be the primary desktop for Linux  :/
[07:49] <nirr> i'm using slack ... and dependcy is taking lots of me time
[07:49] <xvlun2> one question, ubuntu is using debian software, isn't it?
[07:49] <trey3> nirr: slapt-get or swaret are your friends...
[07:49] <tidalwav> nu0: I could try that....my card is on ndiswrapper's HCL
[07:49] <nirr> gnome got coparate backing ?
[07:49] <nuOpus> nirr: You will like Ubuntu. But if you like the up-to-date nature of Gentoo as a primary feature ... then try Hoary
[07:49] <nirr> no
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> how do i get firefox to always start maximized ?
[07:49] <trey3> nirr: uhh... yeah... from Sun, Red Hat, Novell etc
[07:49] <nirr> i dont like new stuff
[07:49] <nuOpus> tidalwav: I tried the one in repo .. I think it is older
[07:49] <Finity> start Firefox
[07:49] <nirr> new stuff tend to be buggy
[07:49] <nirr> hehe
[07:50] <Finity> maxamize it
[07:50] <nirr> and i hate bugs
[07:50] <Finity> then close it
[07:50] <Finity> and re-open
[07:50] <randabis-wireles> then use debian stable :p
[07:50] <Finity> close ALL firefox windows BTW
[07:50] <trey3> nirr: not at all... GNOME is very good at staying usable throughout devel period
[07:50] <nuOpus> tidalwav: Just uninstall the debs you got ... download the new source, unpack and just type make install
[07:50] <tidalwav> nu0: no ./configure?
[07:50] <nuOpus> tidalwav: Get rid of ndiswrapper tools too though ... as the tools will be built too
[07:50] <nirr> whats the main diff between ubuntu and debian ?
[07:50] <nuOpus> tidalwav: nope
[07:50] <randabis-wireles> gnome is being ported to windows I've heard
[07:50] <tidalwav> nu0: k, I'll try
[07:50] <nirr> (20:51:05) <randabis-wireles> gnome is being ported to windows I've heard ?????
[07:50] <nirr> wtf ?
[07:51] <trey3> nirr: release planning I would say.
[07:51] <randabis-wireles> yeah
[07:51] <nuOpus> nirr: One difference is the Debian community sucks
[07:51] <randabis-wireles> there's a project at sourceforge
[07:51] <nirr> show me
[07:51] <nirr> hehe
[07:51] <lemao> booting shows first grub screen and nothing else happens. What to do?
[07:51] <Ribs> nirr, ubuntu just gets stuff done, debian tends to get itself caught up in trying to do all things at once
[07:51] <nirr> oki.. i'll try ubunto
[07:51] <nirr> you got me
[07:51] <Finity> did you get that da_bon_bon?
[07:52] <nirr> hehe
[07:52] <nuOpus> nirr: And Ubuntu Hoary will get gnome packages before most distributions ... and 20 years before it even hits testing in Debian!
[07:53] <nuOpus> nirr: Just an exaggeration ... but when software hits 2.0 in some versions ... Debian will only have 0.5 in testing ... and finally get 0.5 to stable as soon as the rest of the world hits 5.0
[07:54] <nirr> i like gnome .. also hate dependicy .. and hate Debian politics .. think i'll choose ubuntu
[07:54] <trey3> nuOpus: no one intelligent uses Testing... its not secure, and its not up to date... its the worst of all worlds...
[07:54] <lemao> should I go to a different channel to get ubuntu help?
[07:55] <trey3> lemao: you're in the right place... just no one knows what is wrong  :(
[07:55] <nuOpus> trey3: You still can't deny that they are painfully slower than most other distros to get updated software
[07:55] <trey3> nuOpus: I disagree... but then I use a mix of Experimental and Sid... so my opinion is slightly warped  :)
[07:55] <nuOpus> trey3: And .... I really dont care about the 10 thousand archs it has to upstream like a fish to
[07:56] <nuOpus> trey3: lol
[07:56] <trey3> nuOpus: most things in Experimental are fine on i386 though...
[07:56] <nirr> can i compile ubuntu from source
[07:56] <nuOpus> nirr: stick with Gentoo then! lol
[07:57] <nuOpus> nirr: You can compile some things with your own flags ... BUT there is no single command that lets you compile everything with your own optimization settings
[07:57] <randabis-wireles> compiling ubuntu defeats the whole purpose of it being a package-based distro
[07:57] <nirrrr> can i compile ubuntu from source
[07:57] <randabis-wireles> compiling ubuntu defeats the whole purpose of it being a package-based distro
[07:58] <nuOpus> nirrr: stick with Gentoo then! lol
[07:58] <randabis-wireles> ...
[07:58] <nuOpus> go ahead ... add another r in your name and ask again!
[07:58] <randabis-wireles> lol
[07:58] <tidalwav> nu0: it's making me install kernel headers :(
[07:58] <lemao> basically, I think I screwed my grub conf/install and it wont boot my ubuntu isntall anymore. I need to know how to reconf/reinst grub to make it boot again
[07:58] <Ensiferum> grrr. i think i'm just gonna ditch NIS and manually take care of syncin the groups and users.
[07:58] <nuOpus> tidalwav: Just go to synaptic, search for linux-headers
[07:58] <trey3> tidalwav: its a large o not a 0  ;)
[07:58] <nuOpus> and install the one that matches YOUR version
[07:59] <randabis-wireles> lemao you'll need a rescure disk to access your ubuntu install
[07:59] <trey3> tidalwav: if you don't want linux-headers... remove linux-$ARCH
[07:59] <randabis-wireles> then you can probably just do update-grub
[07:59] <nuOpus> tidalwav: If you are not sure ... just do a uname -r
[07:59] <trey3> tidalwav: make sure you keep linux-image-$ARCH though...
[08:00] <zido> cant you get shockwave player for linux?
[08:00] <nuOpus> trey3: He is trying to install ndiswrapper from source ... all he has to do is intstall the headers
[08:00] <trey3> nuOpus: ahh... apt-get build-dep ndiswrapper would be useful for him  8)
[08:00] <nuOpus> zido: You can get them to work through crossover ... but poorly
[08:00] <nuOpus> trey3: He wants to try the newest version
[08:01] <nuOpus> trey3: wait ... 0.12 is in there
[08:01] <zido> ok
[08:01] <tidalwav> nu0 and trey: I did apt-get install kernel-headers
[08:01] <tidalwav> and then it said choose a version
[08:01] <tidalwav> so I did
[08:01] <tidalwav> and it's not doing anything still
[08:01] <tidalwav> lol
[08:01] <nuOpus> noooo not kernel-headers
[08:01] <nuOpus> linux-headers
[08:03] <tidalwav> why, will kernel-headers mess things up :p
[08:03] <nuOpus> tidalwav: Go to console and type sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[08:04] <nuOpus> tidalwav: The single quotes must be the ones to the left of the #1 by the way ... there is a difference
[08:04] <trey3> tidalwav: kernel-* packages are debian kernels... linux-* is ubuntu...
[08:04] <linux_mafia> Ensiferum, have you read the nis how-to?
[08:05] <Ensiferum> linux_mafia: yes. and it sucks
[08:05] <nuOpus> linux_mafia: we still on the NIS thing?
[08:05] <trey3> tidalwav: Debian's politics dictate they heavily patch kernels getting rid of questionable things etc... Ubuntu kernels do not do this...
[08:05] <linux_mafia> ok, i thought it wasnt too bad
[08:05] <linux_mafia> nuOpus, aye
[08:06] <LinuxNIT> can you use different descktops in ubuntu?
[08:06] <Ensiferum> linux_mafia: i just did "apt-get remove nis"
[08:06] <Ensiferum> :)
[08:06] <nuOpus> LinuxNIT: Like ... have different environments or window managers installed?
[08:06] <Gwildor> LinuxNIT: yes
[08:06] <LinuxNIT> windowmanagers
[08:06] <trey3> LinuxNIT: sure... only GNOME is supported though... all that are in Debian are in Ubuntu if you enable Universe
[08:06] <nuOpus> LinuxNIT: Yes
[08:06] <randabis-wireles> trey, what sort of things do they remove?
[08:07] <nuOpus> LinuxNIT: If you install kdm you will get an option for it when you choose session in GDM
[08:07] <LinuxNIT> what about ones that arent in debian? i have a freind who is converting from mac and wants a WM that looks like mac osx
[08:07] <Ensiferum> why would anyone want anything look like macOs :|
[08:07] <LinuxNIT> he found one one but i didnt want to install it and have it screw his system
[08:08] <LinuxNIT> thats what hes use to
[08:08] <LinuxNIT> at least he trying linux
[08:08] <nuOpus> LinuxNIT: If you want something that looks like OSX ... try the Enlightenment engage
[08:08] <nuOpus> works really nice
[08:08] <linux_mafia> Ensiferum, yeah i think it looks horrendous
[08:08] <LinuxNIT> ok cool
[08:08] <tidalwav> k did linux-headers, still not working
[08:08] <randabis-wireles> what one did your friend find?
[08:08] <klaym> it's stupid to get stuck on something :( like on a certain OS
[08:08] <nuOpus> LinuxNIT: it works very well and not a static image like the gdesklets osx lookalikes
[08:08] <tidalwav> it put a folder in there, but there's no 'build' subdirectory
[08:08] <Ensiferum> linux_mafia: i'm just gonna use NFS and sync the users/groups manually. it's not a big network anyway.
[08:08] <Ensiferum> linux_mafia: thanks for the info though.
[08:08] <linux_mafia> ok
[08:09] <tidalwav> nu*O*: catch any of what I just said?
[08:09] <nuOpus> tidalwav: did you do the one that is in the repo?
[08:09] <tidalwav> yeah
[08:09] <nuOpus> tidalwav: or download the full source?
[08:09] <linux_mafia> Ensiferum, sweet, seriously though, look into ldap, even just for nerds sake
[08:09] <nuOpus> oh ... I just got the full source
[08:09] <nuOpus> lol
[08:09] <tidalwav> nuO: for which, linux-headers or ndiswrapper?
[08:09] <trey3> tidalwav: the ndiswrapper-source package is too old? its apparently 1.0rc1 ... seems pretty current?
[08:10] <nuOpus> 1.0rc is newest
[08:10] <linux_mafia> nuOpus, you tried solaris 10?
[08:10] <iminj> when i boot, clock synch FAILS to connect to ntp.ubuntu.org. Is the server down?
[08:10] <Ensiferum> linux_mafia: yeah, maybe some day. but for now i just need to get some files transferred. i've got samba running on my server but find using it on linux rather clumsy.
[08:10] <tidalwav> trey3: by typing apt-get install ndiswrapper? that's the neweset version?
[08:10] <nuOpus> linux_mafia: I am scared to
[08:10] <Ensiferum> besides it's slow
[08:10] <nuOpus> linux_mafia: I want to though ..... last solaris I tried was dreadfully slow
[08:10] <trey3> tidalwav: apt-get build-dep ndiswrapper-source
[08:10] <linux_mafia> nuOpus, this seems ok
[08:10] <randabis-wireles> iminj I've been having problems with it too
[08:10] <tidalwav> k ;)
[08:11] <nuOpus> linux_mafia: I was interrested in some of its features
[08:11] <iminj> if it's not only me ... gues server is down
[08:11] <linux_mafia> nuOpus, hardware support is horrendous though, for x86 that is, i had to get beta drivers for a bloody realtek nic
[08:11] <[Phaedrus] > that's solaris for you :)
[08:12] <trey3> iminj: ping ntp.ubuntulinux.org and see for yourself...
[08:12] <lestercolza> hi
[08:12] <tidalwav> trey3: "cannot find package for ndiswrapper-source"
[08:12] <nuOpus> linux_mafia: But I like the fault management features
[08:12] <trey3> tidalwav: ahh... warty?
[08:12] <iminj> i pinged it, and it responded. But it,s not serving TIME
[08:12] <[Phaedrus] > hello lestercolza
[08:12] <tidalwav> trey3: ...yeah. ;(
[08:12] <nuOpus> trey3: That is why I was having him get the full source to the newest version
[08:12] <nuOpus> trey3: Cuz they are not in warty
[08:12] <tidalwav> nuO: I did!
[08:12] <trey3> tidalwav: add a deb-src entry for hoary  :)
[08:13] <randabis-wireles> trey, I'm getting replies from ntp..so why would it fail when I bootup?
[08:13] <tidalwav> trey3: every time I do that, bad things happen, such as X dying
[08:13] <linux_mafia> nuOpus, i just wanted to bone up on another nix, for the cv and all that, im triple booting solaris 10, win2k3 server, and ubuntu ;)
[08:13] <LinuxNIT> thanks nuOpus
[08:13] <trey3> tidalwav: not binary... only source... :)
[08:13] <LinuxNIT> the help is appreciated but i have to go now (meeting)
[08:13] <lestercolza> is anybody could give the md5 for this file http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-powerpc.iso
[08:13] <lestercolza> ??
[08:14] <trey3> tidalwav: apt-get install etc will ignore deb-src entries, so you should see no issues...
[08:14] <lestercolza> I can't get on the download page ...
[08:14] <nuOpus> tidalwav: http://voxel.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-1.0rc2.tar.gz
[08:14] <randabis-wireles> I'll be back...gonna eat something
[08:14] <imka> hi
[08:14] <nuOpus> get it from that link
[08:14] <iminj> ok .. thanks folks
[08:14] <imka> can i copy entire directories with lftp?
[08:14] <nuOpus> then type tar xzvf ndiswrapper-1.0rc2.tar.gz
[08:14] <nuOpus> cd to ndiswrapper-1.0rc2
[08:14] <nuOpus> or whatever dir
[08:14] <nuOpus> and do a sudo make install
[08:15] <nuOpus> done
[08:15] <Nonphasis> mozilla-firefox-gnome-support is missing!
[08:15] <nuOpus> your card will be supported
[08:15] <tidalwav> nuO: I've been working with that file the whole time.
[08:15] <Nonphasis> can i force-install ubuntu-desktop w/o it?
[08:15] <Gwildor> tar -xzvf .....does the  -   matter nuOpus
[08:15] <nuOpus> is there a "drivers" directory?
[08:15] <trey3> Nonphasis: ? I see it?
[08:15] <trey3> Gwildor: no... it doesn't matter
[08:16] <nuOpus> Gwildor: no
[08:16] <Gwildor> kk, thnx
[08:16] <jeronimo> Hello everybody! May I have one question about network interfaces in Ubuntu???
[08:16] <Gwildor> just 1
[08:16] <trey3> jeronimo: just ask...
[08:16] <nuOpus> You get 2 if you ask nicely
[08:16] <Gwildor> lol
[08:17] <jeronimo> I use my desktop PC as a router providing NAT for my notebook -- the
[08:17] <jeronimo> desktop PC has two network interfaces -- eth1 connected to the
[08:17] <jeronimo> internet and eth0 connected to my notebook.
[08:17] <jeronimo> My problem is that everytime I unplug the cable from my notebook (and
[08:17] <jeronimo> leave it unplugged for a while) the interface eth0 on my desktop PC
[08:17] <jeronimo> goes down. When I connect the cable to my notebook again the interface
[08:17] <Nonphasis> trey3: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop complains that it's not going to be installed
[08:17] <jeronimo> is still down and my notebook (W2K) does not see network running. :( I
[08:17] <jeronimo> have to run "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" to be able to
[08:17] <jeronimo> use my small network again.
[08:17] <jeronimo> If the PC is booting with plugged cable on both sides everything is
[08:17] <jeronimo> OK. But when it is not, I have to run mentioned command before being
[08:17] <nuOpus> lol that is not nice
[08:17] <jeronimo> able to use my network. :(
[08:17] <jeronimo> I'm sorry for this...:(
[08:17] <nuOpus> you get 1
[08:17] <trey3> Nonphasis: oh... warty I suppose?
[08:17] <jeronimo> it was copy&paste...
[08:17] <Nonphasis> trey3: no, i just upgraded my Sid to Hoary
[08:17] <trey3> Nonphasis: or try installing it individually... might be an issue with the package itself...
[08:18] <nuOpus> You are having lots of dependency issues with ... trying to install this version but blah is already installed
[08:18] <nuOpus> Nonphasis: I had same issue
[08:18] <trey3> Nonphasis: apt-get install mozilla-firefox-gnome-support might be enlightening as to problem...
[08:18] <trey3> Nonphasis: not tried going from sid -> hoary though...
[08:19] <Nonphasis> mozilla-firefox-gnome-support: Depends: mozilla-firefox (= 1.0-2ubuntu3) but 1.0+dfsg.1-1 is to be installed
[08:19] <jeronimo> can anybody help me?
[08:19] <nuOpus> trey3: LOTS of packages are complaining because it wants to install a package .. but another package with other version already exists
[08:19] <Nonphasis> nuOpus: found a solution?
[08:19] <jeronimo> i'll be very appreciate becose that problem makes me crazy :(
[08:19] <trey3> Nonphasis: ahh... get rid of the sid lines in sources.list... and apt-get update  :)
[08:19] <Nonphasis> trey3: there are no sid lines
[08:19] <nuOpus> Nonphasis: Painstakingly installed each ... wrote package names down .. downgraded several and it worked after a few hours
[08:20] <nuOpus> or you could just re-install
[08:20] <Nonphasis> nuOpus: ouch
[08:20] <xukun> I,m trying to install the  NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1.run but I get this: "ERROR: Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko'.  This is most likely,  because the kernel module was built using the wrong kernel source files.  Please make sure you have installed the kernel source files for your kernel". I did sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-1-386 and also sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot kernel-package. What I,m missing here?. I,m usi
[08:20] <xukun> ng hoary
[08:20] <Gwildor> Nonphasis: maybe apt-get clean first.........
[08:20] <nuOpus> Nonphasis: Cuz you will have to downgrade SEVERAL packages
[08:20] <trey3> Nonphasis: umm... you have that verison of firefox installed already? (the dfsg version..)
[08:20] <usual> what is this new firefox gnome support package in hoary
[08:20] <Manny> hi
[08:20] <imka> can i copy entire directories with lftp?
[08:21] <Manny> I'm on Ubuntu stable and wonder why apt-get doesn't know about the newest stable epiphany release
[08:21] <trey3> usual: allows gnome-vfs things in firefox
[08:21] <usual> k
[08:21] <Gwildor> Manny: no new packages get added to stable....
[08:21] <Nonphasis> perhaps I'll just remove my current firefox
[08:21] <trey3> usual: apt-cache show mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[08:21] <trey3> Nonphasis: that would solve it  :)
[08:21] <Manny> do'h
[08:22] <Nonphasis> hope so...
[08:22] <xukun> anybody please
[08:22] <jeronimo> Is here anybody who may help me?
[08:22] <Manny> Gwildor no, it is already included in stable
[08:22] <Manny> just not updated
[08:22] <Manny> new version, not new package
[08:22] <trey3> Manny: might want to try adding warty-updates entry to sources.list
[08:22] <Gwildor> Manny: it wont be updated, only thing changed in stable is security updates, for the new package, you msut get it from hoary....if it is even there yet.....
[08:23] <lemao> LiveUSB. How to?
[08:23] <Nonphasis> Heyaaa! removing firefox really did the trick
[08:23] <xukun> trey3, can u help me?
[08:23] <trey3> Gwildor: not true... 'warty' entry gets NOTHING... warty-security gets security... warty-updates gets new packages...
[08:23] <lemao> My understanding: copy contents of LiveCD to USB stick and grub setup with usb stick as root
[08:23] <trey3> xukun: depends, what was problem?  :P
[08:23] <jeronimo> somebody who can help me with network interface problem, pleeeaaaseeee......
[08:23] <Manny> yeha, works
[08:24] <Manny> trey3 thanks
[08:24] <Gwildor> trey3: then i aplologize, last i ran warty, there was no such thing......SORRY
[08:24] <xukun> trey3, can u scroll up?
[08:24] <trey3> xukun: ahh... nope... no experience with nvidia drivers  :(
[08:24] <Manny> gotta go
[08:24] <Nonphasis> jeronimo: repeat the problem report
[08:24] <jeronimo> Nonphasis: oki, moment...
[08:25] <jeronimo> I use my desktop PC as a router providing NAT for my notebook -- the desktop PC has two network interfaces -- eth1 connected to the internet and eth0 connected to my notebook.
[08:25] <jeronimo> My problem is that everytime I unplug the cable from my notebook (and leave it unplugged for a while) the interface eth0 on my desktop PC goes down. When I connect the cable to my notebook again the interface is still down and my notebook (W2K) does not see network running. :( I have to run "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" to be able to
[08:25] <jeronimo> use my small network again.
[08:27] <xukun> if I do sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx it it install the nvidia driver version 6629, is there a way install the 6111 version using that command?
[08:27] <Nonphasis> jeronimo: can't really help you there; I assume you wouldn't want to execute the commands?
[08:28] <Nonphasis> xukun: no
[08:28] <jeronimo> yes... I don't want to... because I've to be root to execute those commands...
[08:28] <nuOpus> jeronimo: hotplug is managing the devices and you have a NIC that is able to post a link-status
[08:28] <jeronimo> and some people who I don't want to know root password are connecting my PC
[08:29] <thully> does anyone have a clue why Ubuntu has 10x the people in IRC as MEPIS, yet MEPIS is higher on distrowatch?
[08:29] <xukun> Nonphasis, can you help with that other problem about me getting the kernel-source errors?
[08:29] <Nonphasis> thully: distrowatch is on crack
[08:29] <nuOpus> thully: I dont trust that counter
[08:29] <Nonphasis> xukun: I had the same problem
[08:29] <jeronimo> I have 3c590 network PCI card...
[08:29] <thully> Is this like the Yoper situation some years back?
[08:30] <lek> no thully
[08:30] <xukun> Nonphasis, and?
[08:30] <jeronimo> noOpus: I have hotplug stopped...
[08:30] <trey3> thully: likely.... people like the sound of MEPIS, wonder what its about.. but don't actually use it  :/
[08:30] <Nonphasis> xukun: bit it was solved by installing kernel-headers... and some dev tools like make
[08:30] <mindphasr> thuisfred: Distrowatch is not a count of those running a distro. It is a count of those loading the distro page.
[08:30] <lek> distrowatch just has the "hits per day" meter, not too accurate upon what everyone uses
[08:30] <thully> I've tried it - and Warty Warthog Preview Release supports my hardware better
[08:30] <Nonphasis> xukun: you have read the log?
[08:30] <mindphasr> err...thully, that is.
[08:30] <trey3> thully: just seems like a bloated Debian with KDE  :/
[08:31] <trey3> thully: although their config tools seem kinda promising  :/
[08:31] <nuOpus> jeronimo: problem is .. hotplug is not a daemon running in the background .. it is facilitated by kernel
[08:31] <Nonphasis> Ubuntu does need some config tools
[08:31] <xukun> Nonphasis, I did yes
[08:31] <new-ubuntu> Hello
[08:32] <xukun> Nonphasis, I,m also getting this warning: Your kernel was configured to include rivafb support as
[08:32] <xukun>    a loadable kernel module.
[08:32] <new-ubuntu> I am a begginer with Ubuntu and linux, I really enjoyed the live cd and would like to install
[08:32] <thully> plus, MEPIS doesn't fork the package pool like Ubuntu - they use testing/unstable, which can cause issues
[08:32] <lek> the install is very simple new-ubuntu
[08:32] <nuOpus> jeronimo: Go to your /etc/network/interfaces line and comment the line that says map eth0 under the hotplug mapping
[08:32] <new-ubuntu> I have followed the install instructions however my boot cd wont work
[08:33] <new-ubuntu> lek: how are you?
[08:33] <lek> do you have the bios set up correctly new-ubuntu?
[08:33] <new-ubuntu> lek: yeah it say's boot from cd-rom twice...
[08:33] <jeronimo> nuOpus: there's no such line... :(
[08:33] <nuOpus> two things I can think of ... either BIOS is not set up to boot from CD ... or you do like lots of windows people to and just DRAG the iso to the CD and burn it
[08:34] <lek> and it just doesn't boot at all? have you ever booted from anything else successfully?
[08:34] <lek> (cd rom wise)
[08:34] <new-ubuntu> lek: the live cd works fine,
[08:34] <nuOpus> jeronimo: no line that says mapping hotplug?
[08:34] <lek> is this a burned copy or mailed
[08:34] <new-ubuntu> nuOpus: How would you suggest burning it, I did it like you said... oops
[08:34] <Nonphasis> xukun: yes, thats not a prob
[08:34] <nuOpus> LOL
[08:35] <new-ubuntu> lek: I just burned it with the dragging style...
[08:35] <lek> that wouldnt be a bootable form new-ubuntu
[08:35] <Guardiann> new-ubuntu use k3b
[08:35] <nuOpus> new-ubuntu: thats what I figured. If you download an iso .. dragging it with most windows burning software only puts the iso on the CD ... doesnt make a bootable install disk
[08:35] <jeronimo> nuOpus: no, nothing... only setting loopback... and static ip for eth0 and dhcp for eth1
[08:35] <nuOpus> well k3b too
[08:35] <trey3> Guardiann: he probably doesn't have Linux installed yet...
[08:35] <lek> you can use nero on windows, or alcohol 120% can do it easily
[08:36] <linux_mafia> new-ubuntu, i told you to use "burn disk image"
[08:36] <Guardiann> ah ok
[08:36] <new-ubuntu> trey3: you got it... lets try getting through this... lol
[08:36] <trey3> new-ubuntu: ahh... do you have Linux installed at the moment? (any distro?)
[08:36] <lestercolza> jeronimo, do you want to take the risk to make a suid-script ??? if you read french that could be perfect ...
[08:36] <nuOpus> linux_mafia: lol but he said he dragged the iso! lol
[08:36] <lestercolza> http://lea-linux.org/dev/suid_scripts.html
[08:36] <trey3> new-ubuntu: download.com > search for 'iso burn'
[08:36] <new-ubuntu> Oh hellow Linux_mafia: thank you for your help, i aslo tried that and it still doesn't work.. oh wait, burn disc image, we didn't do that I'll try thatn
[08:36] <nuOpus> new-ubuntu: Well .. what cd-rom burning software are you using?
[08:37] <jeronimo> nuOpus: I can send you the content of that file if tou want...
[08:37] <trey3> new-ubuntu: most there that I have tried are pretty fool proof  :)
[08:37] <jeronimo> nuOpus: sorry, you
[08:37] <nuOpus> new-ubuntu: That is it
[08:37] <linux_mafia> new-ubuntu, http://www.wizardskeep.org/mainhall/tutor/neroiso.html
[08:37] <Guardiann> ok i will be back
[08:37] <nuOpus> jeronimo: Ya ... sorry I couldnt help though ... there must be something disconnecting that device. That would be hotplug
[08:38] <jeronimo> lestercolza: yes, but that doesn't solve that problem... the better solution should be not using some command any more... :(
[08:38] <nuOpus> jeronimo: Or something related
[08:38] <mhisani> Hello everyone, Id like a little help with networking, and i'd be very grateful if one of you wouldnt mind helping me, I have ubuntu but i cant seem to get my cable internet shared.
[08:38] <nuOpus> jeronimo: I am looking into it for you
[08:38] <jeronimo> nuOpus: hmm...  Thank you a lot for your time!
[08:38] <new-ubuntu> Linux_mafia: thank you that's much more clear
[08:38] <randabis-laptop> hmm
[08:38] <lestercolza> jeronimo , sure , but at the last extremity ...
[08:39] <jeronimo> lestercolza: yes... I know about that... but the last way :-)
[08:39] <new-ubuntu> thank you all!
[08:39] <nuOpus> jeronimo: Just for S&Gs .... try adding your nic module to the /etc/hotplug/blacklist file at the top and adding the module to your /etc/modules file and rebooting
[08:40] <jeronimo> I've that module compiled into kernel... :-/
[08:40] <nuOpus> jeronimo: ok. dont know then!
[08:40] <nuOpus> jeronimo: lol
[08:41] <jeronimo> nuOpus: :-/ anyway, thank you very much...
[08:41] <nuOpus> jeronimo: It is wierd that the device is going down when the link is unplugged without a hotplug mapping
[08:41] <mhisani> I guess i'll end up back on windows if i cant sort this out.
[08:42] <nuOpus> jeronimo: In desperation add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist anyway?? lol
[08:42] <nuOpus> mhisani: try and install firestarter if you have no experience in iptables
[08:43] <mhisani> nuOpus: Okay. Ill take a look
[08:43] <nuOpus> mhisani: It is a gui based firewall tool with a wizard
[08:43] <jeronimo> nuOpus: here're the differences before and after unplugging the cable (using ifconfig): BEFORE: UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1   AFTER: UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[08:43] <nuOpus> mhisani: Just make sure that you have ONE nic going to the cable modem or router, and SECOND nic going to other machine or hum
[08:44] <nuOpus> hub/switch
[08:44] <jeronimo> nuOpus: that's the only line that's different from ifconfig output...
[08:44] <xukun> the The rivafb module is incompatible with the nvidia driver how can unload this module for ever?
[08:44] <mhisani> nuOpus: Yeah, Thats what ive done
[08:44] <nuOpus> mhisani: Then you will like firestarter. ive suggested that to windows people wanting to use linux to share internet and they have always been happy
[08:45] <nuOpus> mhisani: Do you know how to install software through synaptic?
[08:45] <mhisani> I dont.
[08:45] <mhisani> Only apt.
[08:45] <nuOpus> jeronimo: odd
[08:45] <nuOpus> mhisani: wooo thats different for new linux people! LOL. Anyway .. sudo apt-get install firestarter
[08:45] <jeronimo> nuOPUS: odd???
[08:45] <Nonphasis> I don't get all this internet connection sharing thing... you can get an adsl modem with 5 ethernet ports for 60 euros...
[08:46] <nuOpus> jeronimo: well .... im still wondering what is listening to your device
[08:46] <nuOpus> Nonphasis: But what if I dont have euros!
[08:47] <martinal> is there an overview of planned changes in hoary somewhere?
[08:47] <nuOpus> martinal: New packages and Gnome 2.10
[08:47] <Nonphasis> nuOpus: I guess you could manage by $200 or whatever the current exchange rate was ;-)
[08:47] <trey3> nuOpus: 1 dollar is about .92 euro's for a rough idea  :)
[08:48] <nuOpus> trey3: I was being sarcastic
[08:48] <nuOpus> Can get a good router for $60
[08:48] <nuOpus> or less
[08:48] <martinal> nuOpus: any way to find info on plans for a particular package?
[08:48] <jeronimo> nuOpus: I'm trying to solve it more than 3 weeks... I'm really at the end of my ideas... :(
[08:48] <trey3> martinal: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals
[08:49] <nuOpus> Nonphasis: Being it is an american router ... it has a built in stealth bomber and rocket launcher
[08:49] <martinal> thanks
[08:49] <Nonphasis> nuOpus: let alone a microphone and a transmitter for military frequencies
[08:49] <mhisani> nuOpus: Im not new to *nix in a medium user of BSD
[08:50] <nuOpus> Nonphasis: check .. got that
[08:51] <nuOpus> Nonphasis: My router has a special red button that sends 200,000 troops to a country and pings the router wrong.
[08:51] <nuOpus> country THAT
[08:52] <mhisani> nuOpus: This doesnt appear to work.
[08:52] <nuOpus> mhisani: did it install at least?
[08:52] <mhisani> oh yes
[08:52] <nuOpus> mhisani: You have to make sure you get the correct interface right for internet and other for internal
[08:53] <mhisani> I picked the net device and the lan device and told it my lan net was 10.0.0.0/24
[08:53] <mhisani> it starts the firewall
[08:53] <mhisani> But other machines on the lan cannot connect out
[08:54] <broodster> coool!
[08:54] <broodster> nu0pus what company did you get your router from?
[08:55] <nuOpus> broodster: Oh .... dlink! LOL
[08:55] <broodster> =P
[08:56] <Nonphasis> nuOpus: you should do an traceroute noe of these days, to see how it actually routes packets
[08:56] <Nonphasis> nuOpus: I wouldn't be surprised by occasional "accidental" *.mil routings
[08:56] <Agatha_Christie>  
[08:56] <Agatha_Christie>   
[08:57] <Agatha_Christie>  
[08:57] <nuOpus> Nonphasis: It even gave me an email address of chris.m.cox@us.army.mil
[08:57] <nuOpus> Nonpasis: lol ... my real email address that I dont check
[08:57] <Agatha_Christie>  ... 
[08:57] <mhisani> nuOpus: Any other ideas?
[08:57] <imka> lftp is the best ftp client around. text mode ownz
[08:58] <nuOpus> well what are your other computers using as a DNS and gateway?
[08:58] <jeronimo> OK, I guess noone could help me today... I'll try it next time...
[08:58] <mhisani> 10.0.0.1 which is the servers lan ip
[08:59] <Nonphasis> nuOpus: so you actually work for the beast?
[08:59] <nuOpus> Nonphasis: No ... but my entire family does
[09:00] <nuOpus> mhisani: Well ... all firestarter does it configure iptables ... will not forwards DNS requests
[09:00] <drspin> has anybody played the Battle of Wesnoth?
[09:00] <Nonphasis> nuOpus: ok, so basically the military 0wns your ass as well ;-)
[09:00] <nuOpus> mhisani: go to one of your other computers and type ping 216.109.112.135
[09:01] <nuOpus> mhisani: If you are able to ping that is good
[09:01] <nuOpus> Nonphasis: Ya! I guess .. lol
[09:01] <thully> Is anyone here concerned about the local root exploit?  should I be?
[09:01] <mhisani> nuOpus: request times out
[09:01] <nuOpus> Nonphasis: But I can't respond if I dont check my army email! lol
[09:02] <nuOpus> thully: which exploit?
[09:02] <thully> the recent one - from a couple days ago
[09:02] <nuOpus> dont know ... because root exploit could exist in a number of programs
[09:03] <nuOpus> mhisani: And your linux box CAN get to the internet?
[09:03] <mhisani> im using irssi on it now
[09:03] <Nonphasis> nuOpus: sending "concerned" mossages from that email address could be a great way to freak peopelo out
[09:03] <nuOpus> try going to console and typing echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[09:04] <Nonphasis> nuOpus: "your son has been seen conspiring with non-patriotic elements"
[09:04] <thully> does Ubuntu have any ports open out-of-box?
[09:04] <nuOpus> Nonphasis: I guess. lol non-patriotic meaning puff pastries and french fries? im all over that
[09:05] <nuOpus> well damn ... I have to get going ... supposedly have to feed the kids. lol brb
[09:06] <mhisani> nuOpus:  done
[09:06] <Nonphasis> why care about local root exploits?
[09:07] <Nonphasis> if someone visits my machine, even as non-root, I'm going to be screwed anyway
[09:08] <mhisani> nuOpus: Didnt appear to do anything
[09:08] <Nonphasis> local root exploits are a problem for machines with multiple non-trusted users
[09:08] <Nonphasis> not home desktops
[09:09] <thully> OK
[09:09] <drspin> Nonphasis: ecactly
[09:09] <thully> Does Ubuntu have any open ports by default?
[09:09] <drspin> *exactly
[09:09] <mjg59> Nonphasis: Except they also escalate remote user-level exploits to root exploits
[09:09] <drspin> thully: no AFAIK
[09:09] <lek> thully, you need to chill out, you won't get h4x0r3d hurr
[09:10] <Nonphasis> mjg59: yes, but isn't it easy to do that anyway? manipulate the "root terminal" sauncher to record the password...
[09:10] <Nonphasis> mjg59: launcher
[09:11] <randabis-laptop> i h4x 4n g0nn4 h4x u
[09:11] <Agatha_Christie> Rocket Launcher.
[09:11] <randabis-laptop> lol
[09:11] <mjg59> Nonphasis: Yeah, if the user has access to root anyway, it makes much less difference
[09:12] <thully> yes - if someone gets user access, they could just change the Terminal link to log all keystrokes
[09:12] <Nonphasis> mjg59: yep, which is the case for most Ubuntu installations I would venture to guess...
[09:12] <mhisani> nuOpus: A reboot wont do anything will it
[09:13] <thully> Even if sudo wasn't being used - they could still install a keylogger and get root when somebody does "su"
[09:13] <no0tic> hi all
[09:13] <Nonphasis> couldn't setup diveintopython - it was blocked for a while, had to ctrl + c, got warning: error occured during execution of /usr/bin/scrollkeeper-update
[09:13] <Nonphasis> warning: error occured during execution of /usr/bin/scrollkeeper-update
[09:14] <Nonphasis> probably just some Hoary growing pains
[09:16] <randabis-laptop> *ponders why someone would need to use su in ubuntu*
[09:24] <no0tic> when I try to run ntpdate via /etc/init.d/ntpdate start it fails... what can I do?
[09:24] <xukun> in hoary  sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx installs the 6629 version of the nvidia drivers, my card whic GeForce4 440 Go dont work well with this driver, ist there realy a way of installing the 6111 version?
[09:25] <xukun> I get two desktops after installing the the 6629 version
[09:25] <xukun> its broken
[09:26] <LinuxNIT--> i installed enlightenment but its not listed under the sessions how do i get it to come up?
[09:27] <Guardiann> hello guys
[09:27] <no0tic> hi Guardiann
[09:27] <Guardiann> anyone know why my sound doesnt work in hoary was working great in warty
[09:28] <Pozac> more details?
[09:28] <Pozac> have you loaded modules etc?
[09:28] <Guardiann> doesnt the install of hoary load the modules
[09:28] <Guardiann> warty did
[09:28] <Pozac> hoary is not finished
[09:28] <Guardiann> yeah i know that
[09:29] <Pozac> whats the card?
[09:29] <Guardiann> sis
[09:30] <Pozac> try loading snd-ac97-codec, Guardiann
[09:30] <Guardiann> ok 1 sec
[09:31] <aquarius> Can I make machines that I can ssh to appear in Network?
[09:31] <Guardiann> hmmm how would i load that
[09:33] <Pozac> Guardiann: sudo modprobe snd-ac97-codec
[09:34] <Pozac> aquarius: Add them as Network Servers, or use MDNSResponder
[09:34] <monkey89> i get a cdrom: open failed error on startup, any way to fix it?
[09:34] <Guardiann> ok let me try that
[09:34] <Guardiann> brb
[09:35] <^2046> whats de difference between universe and multiverse repository?
[09:35] <crimsun> ^2046: search on the wiki. I replied to a post asking that.
[09:36] <^2046> thanks crimsun
[09:36] <T5> hi, can sb tell me ehre i have to place a Xmodmap file for all users?
[09:36] <aquarius> Pozac, how do I add them as a Network Server? MDNSResponser won't work, if that's the zeroconf thing: I want machines on the internet, not machines on my local network...unless I radically misunderstand?
[09:36] <no0tic> aquarius: I've done it right now
[09:37] <no0tic> aquarius: go to network
[09:37] <no0tic> aquarius: computer --> network
[09:37] <aquarius> no0tic, OK.
[09:37] <no0tic> aquarius: file --> connect to server
[09:37] <Pozac> aquarius: zeroconf is DNS-based, so it works over internet :)
[09:37] <no0tic> aquarius: or something similar, I've the italian translation
[09:38] <aquarius> I did not know that worked :)
[09:38] <aquarius> I've been going to ssh://wherever/ in "Open Location" :)
[09:38] <Pozac> and it works for everything :)
[09:38] <aquarius> Pozac, I thought the point was to automatically locate stuff on your own network, rather than to work over the net? Clearly I need to read more :)
[09:39] <aquarius> no0tic, this is excellent. Does it persist over reboots?
[09:39] <Pozac> aquarius: it's both link-local and DNS
[09:40] <no0tic> aquarius: I don't know, I've done it right now, and I don't rebooted already :)
[09:40] <Pozac> it persists
[09:40] <Pozac> unless you unmount them
[09:40] <aquarius> super duper!
[09:40] <Pozac> and it doesn't try to connect before you click it
[09:45] <aquarius> Does Gimp in warty not understand gnome-vfs?
[09:50] <mhisani> Heylo again, I got one more question is there an apt packages for the kernel C header fules
[09:50] <mjr> gimp, sadly, is not proper gnome software
[09:51] <mjr> so I wouldn't be too much surprised
[09:52] <sladen> mhisani: sudo apt-get install linux-headers
[09:52] <Quest-Master> Has anyone here used Sodipodi?
[09:52] <Quest-Master> It looks really interesting
[09:52] <sladen> Quest-Master: use 'inkscape', better fork of the same program
[09:53] <Quest-Master> Oh really?
[09:53] <scizzo> inkscape is better
[09:55] <mhisani> sladen: that is the C header files? and where does it install them
[09:55] <mhisani> sladen: thats ok sorted it thanks
[09:55] <crimsun> mhisani: /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[09:56] <mhisani> thanks
[09:56] <Quest-Master> It's actually a pretty good program, Inkscape
[09:56] <Quest-Master> If only it had layers.
[10:03] <mz2> Quest-Master, try Inkscae > 0.4 if you want layers
[10:04] <Gwildor> anyone know the exact size of a default warty install?
[10:05] <astroraptor> hello
[10:05] <astroraptor> How do I install Swat, thanks
[10:06] <Mhisani> Hi again, You lot have been wonderful. Thankyou for your help
[10:07] <Mhisani> I got one more question if anyone has had any experience with VMware
[10:08] <Mhisani> The modules appear to build for networking (NAT) and load ok and everything lists as started ok immediately after the config script, upon reboot, nat service fails for vmware
[10:08] <Quest-Master> mz2: Yeah, just realized the Inkscape in apt is .38
[10:11] <Gwildor> anyone know the exact size of a default warty install?
[10:12] <mz2> Quest-Master, you'll find a newer one from for example the hoary->warty backports: http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/
[10:12] <Quest-Master> Ah
[10:13] <Mhisani> So noone able to help with vmware?
[10:14] <astroraptor> I use VirtualPC :(
[10:14] <Mhisani> astroraptor: does it work?
[10:15] <sladen> Gwildor: about 1.8GB
[10:15] <astroraptor> you'll have to expalin a bit more
[10:15] <Mhisani> astroraptor: about what
[10:15] <sladen> Gwildor: and another 0.6 GB used during install for copying the contents of the CD
[10:16] <astroraptor> what it is you want help with
[10:17] <Mhisani> astroraptor: Ah, well i install vmware, and it sets things to start at boot time, but it always fails when starting the NAT service so the virtual machine can talk out
[10:18] <Quest-Master> Ah, yes, Inkscape .40 is awesome.
[10:18] <Quest-Master> :D
[10:19] <marshall_> new linux user here. tryiing to put java vm on
[10:19] <marshall_> can some one tell me whats wrong
[10:19] <marshall_> marshall@marshall77:/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins $ ln -s /home/marshall/Desktop/j2re1.4.2_06/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[10:19] <marshall_> ln: creating symbolic link `./libjavaplugin_oji.so' to `/home/marshall/Desktop/j2re1.4.2_06/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so': Permission denied
[10:19] <marshall_> marshall@marshall77:/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins $
[10:20] <marshall_> permission denied
[10:20] <astroraptor> what are the options for networking in VMWare?
[10:20] <mz2> Quest-Master, isn't it :) if only openoffice could import svg's, i'd get the most out of inkscape (the postscript export from inkscape has worked flawlessly this far, though)
[10:22] <Quest-Master> I like it a lot more than the Gimp so far.
[10:22] <Quest-Master> :)
[10:22] <marshall_> astro are you talking to me?
[10:22] <Quest-Master> I really feel at home, being an Illustrator/Photoshop user
[10:22] <astroraptor> Mhisani
[10:22] <mz2> Quest-Master, another thing you should download from the hoary backports is Gimp 2.2, it's reeeaally nice
[10:22] <MhisaniLeo> astroraptor: NAT,host only, bridged to an interface
[10:22] <MhisaniLeo> nat and bridge both fail
[10:22] <mz2> finally previews in most filters, and all sorts of minor ui work redone
[10:22] <mroth> hmm does someone have the url for the hoary cd images onhand?  I only have the bookmark at work
[10:22] <jamin_l> hello
[10:22] <marshall_> could some one tell me why it is denying me to put a simbolivc link in my plugins folder for java vm?
[10:23] <marshall_> or what to do
[10:23] <mz2> gimp does take some time getting used to after photoshop, i know... some of the differences between tools in gimp and everywhere elese i don't even quit get but then again, there's even a few things better in gimp than in photoshop
[10:23] <astroraptor> try other options
[10:23] <MhisaniLeo> astroraptor: there isnt
[10:23] <jamin_l> i'm installing Ubuntu on my main machine.... I seem to be having difficulties setting up a User Name/Password
[10:23] <astroraptor> well what about Host Only?
[10:24] <jamin_l> In my case, I give all the info... and it loops back around to the beginning of the "Enter a user name" program
[10:24] <gsuveg> anybody know gimp 2.2 for warty ?
[10:25] <kebac> what is better in gimp than photoshop, except gimp being free?
[10:25] <jamin_l> garh
[10:26] <marshall_> how can i easly get java vm for warty?
[10:26] <jamin_l> it failed again
[10:26] <dreamer> kebac: I prefer photoshop, but gimp has some nice ui ideas - like right click menu access
[10:26] <Wulf_> kebac: it runs on my computer
[10:26] <jamin_l> has anyone encountered this problem before?
[10:26] <sladen> marshall_: there's a page on the wiki
[10:26] <dreamer> it has a fair bit of powerful maths stuff too
[10:26] <HrdwrBoB> kebac: the gimp UI is much more like mac photoshop
[10:26] <marshall_> where is the wiki?
[10:26] <jamin_l> dammit dammit dammit
[10:28] <marshall_> i am so new to linux and computers in general
[10:28] <HrdwrBoB> kebac: the gimp is entirely offline scriptable in python(I think) and perl
[10:28] <gsuveg> kebac: www.gimp.org
[10:28] <jamin_l> i have a supposedly successful install and i can't get in
[10:28] <gsuveg> then no idea from gimp22 ?
[10:28] <marshall_> sladen how do i get to the wiki?
[10:28] <jamin_l> can noone help me?
[10:28] <sladen> marshall_: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/ You'll need to use a Web-browser, such as Firefox ;-)
[10:28] <marshall_> i have already installed java vm i just am having trouble puting a link to it in the plugins folder
[10:28] <sladen> marshall_: aah
[10:28] <kal> hi ppl
[10:28] <jamin_l> s
[10:28] <jamin_l> sladen: i can't get into Ubuntu
[10:29] <jamin_l> i installed it
[10:29] <maps73> Vaportrail, Ciao !!
[10:29] <sladen> jamin_l: right.  Can you describe a little more about 'I can't get into Ubuntu'
[10:29] <jamin_l> and when i was prompted during install to give user name & pass it cycled back to the beginning of the mini-program & asked again
[10:29] <sladen> jamin_l: is this the boot menu, or logging into on the pretty screen with the naked people?
[10:29] <jamin_l> the GUI
[10:29] <sladen> jamin_l: it probably cycled back because the 1st password and the 2nd password didn't match
[10:30] <jamin_l> i know they matched
[10:30] <jamin_l> i entered the info 4x & it didn't state anything about non-matching passwords
[10:30] <sladen> jamin_l: what username did you give it?
[10:30] <sladen> jamin_l: and what 'Full name'
[10:30] <jamin_l> 1st User name: insaneones
[10:31] <jamin_l> Full Name: ChrisDutton
[10:31] <jamin_l> 2nd User Name: carissa, Full Name: carissa
[10:31] <jamin_l> neither of them work
[10:31] <sladen> jamin_l: which ever one you entered last will be the one that was created.  it will only create *one* username on install
[10:32] <jamin_l> well that one isn't working
[10:32] <sladen> jamin_l: can you reboot the machine and and select 'rescue-mode' form the boot menu (you may have to press control/shift/escape or something before it says 'Starting Ubuntu...' to get to this menu
[10:32] <jamin_l> ok... i can do that now
[10:33] <sladen> jamin_l: when you restart you'll be given a root prompt, and can type  adduser
[10:33] <jamin_l> er i have normal mode & recovery mode
[10:33] <jamin_l> will recovery work?
[10:33] <sladen> jamin_l: sorry, recovery mode
[10:34] <jamin_l> it's doing it's little bootup thing
[10:34] <jamin_l> ok i have he command prompt
[10:34] <jamin_l> do i just have to type adduser or anyhing after that?
[10:37] <Prower> Anyone know of a good browser plugin for playing videos?
[10:37] <maps73> mplayer
[10:37] <jamin_l> uhm.... i have no idea what it just said
[10:37] <sladen> jamin_l: type 'adduser' and it'll ask you question
[10:37] <jamin_l> the last line was groupdel: group insaneones does not exist
[10:37] <sladen> Prower: I personally use xine
[10:37] <Prower> maps73: Doesn't seem to be available in universe, the marillat one won't install :/
[10:37] <Prower> sladen: There's a xine browser plugin? :>
[10:37] <sladen> jamin_l: what did it say before that
[10:37] <sladen> jamin_l: what does   tail -1  /etc/passwd /etc/sudoers    give?
[10:37] <jamin_l> ok i'll type it all in and separate lines by |
[10:38] <jamin_l> adding new user insaneones... | Adding new group insaneones (1000) | (more comig)
[10:39] <jamin_l> Creating home directory /home/insaneones. | chown 1000:1000 /home/insanesones: Operation not permitted |
[10:39] <marshall_> http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ warty java    im having truble adding this to my repoositotry in synaptic
[10:39] <Riddell> daniels: is there a timeline for x.org releases somewhere?
[10:39] <jamin_l> then it just  cleaned up
[10:39] <jamin_l> brb one moment
[10:40] <jamin_l> ok back
[10:42] <Cloudchaser> hey does anyone know if i can use a game controller for pc on ubuntu?
[10:42] <xvlun> hi, can i use debian software archive within ubuntu?
[10:42] <jamin_l> oh and that tail line.... gave: tail: cannot open '/etc/passwd/' for reading: Not a directory ==>/etc/sudoers <==
[10:44] <kal> does ubuntu  support glftpd ?
[10:44] <kal> because i've installed glftpd on my unbutu station and its doesnt work
[10:44] <kal> i just can connect on localhost
[10:45] <kal> but not from other computers in my lan network
[10:45] <marshall_> can some one just remote login to my computer and make it work better
[10:46] <Prower> This might be a silly question, but would a ping in the range of 0.5-2ms to a computer on the same hub as you be high, or about normal? :>
[10:47] <s1amson> high
[10:47] <Gwildor> anyone know the exact size of a default warty install?
[10:47] <vitriol> is ubuntu *completely* i686 ?
[10:47] <Prower> slamson: Really? What would be normal?
[10:47] <vitriol> or a mix of 386 and 686?
[10:48] <Gwildor> tis x86.....not sure if that really answers you
[10:49] <vitriol> Gwildor: no, not really
[10:50] <Prower> sladen: I don't know if you're around at the moment, but just in case :> I'm pinging a machine on the same hub as me to make sure that there's no longer any bandwidth problems, I'm getting an average about 0.450ms for a reply...is that a fairly good rate?
[10:50] <kebac> Prower: it is
[10:51] <Prower> kebac: Okay, thanks :> I was worried for a minute there
[10:51] <bluefoxicy> kebpac?
[10:51] <nirai> reconnect
[10:51] <Cloudchaser> ok i have a wingman rumblepad and usbview recognizes it
[10:51] <Cloudchaser> but i'm not sure how to get it working
[10:51] <Prower> Kinky Elizabethan Bacon Presents at Cost
[10:51] <kebac> bluefoxicy: ?
[10:53] <bluefoxicy> keyboard exists between problem and chair
[10:53] <bluefoxicy> (aka 'the microsoft effect')
[10:54] <wilstar> does anyone know if kernel 2.6.10 has sisfb (framebuffer & 3d for SIS630 chipset) that doesn't need patch?
[10:55] <jamin_l> how easy is it to connect iPods to Ubuntu? is there any good software for this?
[10:56] <lek> just mount and use gtkpod jamin
[10:56] <jamin_l> does this come with Ubuntu naturally? or do I have to download it?
[10:57] <lek> it's in the repos
[10:57] <jamin_l> cool...
[11:00] <sladen> prower: that is 1/2000th of a second.  I shouldn't complain
[11:01] <suix> hi
[11:01] <sladen> jamin_l: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5374
[11:01] <Cloudchaser> does anyone know how to get a joystick/game controller to work in ubuntu or just linux in general?
[11:02] <sladen> Cloudchaser: USB or D-15 ?'
[11:02] <Cloudchaser> usb
[11:02] <Cloudchaser> its being detected in usbview
[11:02] <Cloudchaser> and i did modprobe joydev
[11:02] <Cloudchaser> but beyond that i've no clue how to get it to work with a game
[11:02] <suix> do u have hotplug enabled?
[11:03] <Cloudchaser> device manager sees it too
[11:03] <Cloudchaser> wingman rumblepad
[11:03] <suix> so try configuring the game
[11:03] <Cloudchaser> suix i dont know
[11:03] <ufo-> I've looked for ubuntu-unstable/devel repositories put I can't find them anywhere on the web site, can someone please give me a link or paste them?
[11:04] <Cloudchaser> suix i did.. its a simple game..supertux
[11:04] <Cloudchaser> i'm in the key setup
[11:04] <suix> try pushing the buttons
[11:04] <Cloudchaser> but nothing seems to work to change it to the joystick
[11:04] <Cloudchaser> i did
[11:04] <Cloudchaser> nothing happend
[11:04] <suix> but I dont know if there's pad support for supertux
[11:04] <Cloudchaser> oh
[11:04] <Cloudchaser> hehe that could be the case i guess
[11:05] <Cloudchaser> wait
[11:05] <Cloudchaser> here's what it says
[11:05] <Cloudchaser> i start game from console
[11:05] <Cloudchaser> The Simple DirectMedia error that occured was:
[11:05] <Cloudchaser> There are 1 joysticks available
[11:05] <Cloudchaser> also says there's no /dev/sequencer
[11:05] <Cloudchaser> and it couldn't open joystick
[11:05] <lek> Cloudchaser, jesus christ stop
[11:06] <Cloudchaser> excuse me?
[11:06] <lek> You enter text like a aoler, good job
[11:06] <Cloudchaser> no idea what you mean, i've never used aol
[11:06] <Cloudchaser> and there's no need to insult me
[11:07] <lek> Keep it all in one line and stop quasi-flooding
[11:07] <suix> clud it means that yuo write in a lot of separate lines instead in in a pair
[11:07] <Cloudchaser> ah...i've never had anyone say anything like that to me in years of irc..
[11:08] <suix> now there's one person
[11:08] <suix> xd
[11:09] <kewlman> hi everyone!
[11:10] <Gwildor> hi :)
[11:11] <suix> hey I've updated to hoary and I've problems with nvidia drivers
[11:11] <neighborlee> lek, hey get your jollies elsewhere jerk
[11:11] <scizzo> suix: GLX problems?
[11:12] <suix> the x doesn't start
[11:12] <lek> neighborlee, my jollies are just jollier here
[11:12] <neighborlee> lek, if you can't be nice ..DONE BE AT ALL
[11:12] <neighborlee> DONT
[11:12] <lek> HURR
[11:12] <suix> I've changed in xorg.conf the "nvidia" driver to nv now runs
[11:12] <Gwildor> hiYAA!
[11:12] <suix> but 3d applications do not run
[11:14] <zensamsara> hello :)
[11:14] <neighborlee> hi zens
[11:14] <Gwildor> ogra: you around?
[11:14] <zensamsara> hi neighborlee :)
[11:14] <zensamsara> im a new user of Ubuntu
[11:14] <Gwildor> :)
[11:14] <zensamsara> though i played a lot with Debian before
[11:15] <neighborlee> zensamsara, kewl welcome to ubuntu ;-))
[11:15] <neighborlee> zensamsara, what do you think so far
[11:15] <suix> can u help me with nvidia
[11:15] <zensamsara> neighborlee, well, it looks fun
[11:15] <zensamsara> but i have a small issue
[11:15] <zensamsara> lol
[11:15] <neighborlee> suix, please explain
[11:15] <zensamsara> i cant use it! xD haha
[11:15] <Gwildor> zensamsara: why not?
[11:15] <neighborlee> ooooooook ;-)
[11:15] <zensamsara> i partitioned my disk, followed all the necesary steps
[11:15] <zensamsara> did my backups, etc
[11:16] <zensamsara> installed it, everything went nice
[11:16] <zensamsara> until it asked me if i wanted to put GRUB in the MBR
[11:16] <zensamsara> i said yes
[11:16] <zensamsara> and i think thats the problem
[11:16] <zensamsara> my home pc is a dual boot sys
[11:16] <lek> Jesus christ
[11:16] <zensamsara> i have windows xp (yes, i know) in the same disk, in another partition
[11:16] <lek> look
[11:16] <lek> at
[11:16] <lek> me
[11:16] <lek> i
[11:16] <Gwildor> hmmm, doing that should atleast let you boot ubuntu, and lose others
[11:16] <lek> can
[11:16] <neighborlee> lek, stop taking the lords name in vein you terd
[11:16] <lek> use
[11:17] <lek> a lot
[11:17] <lek> of
[11:17] <lek> lines
[11:17] <lek> too
[11:17] <lek> hurr
[11:17] <neighborlee> someone please whack this terd
[11:17] <Gwildor> lek: please?
[11:17] <zensamsara> and after everything installed correctly, and i rebooted the system
[11:17] <lek> I'm gonna get whacked
[11:17] <neighborlee> your damn lucky im not OP in here
[11:17] <zensamsara> now i cannot get past the initial splash screen of my pc
[11:17] <zensamsara> i cant even access the BIOS setup
[11:17] <zensamsara> nada!
[11:17] <lek> No one would op you faggot
[11:17] <zensamsara> it just hangs there
[11:18] <JDahl> thank god for /ignore
[11:18] <zensamsara> it wont read any bootable cd, nor any bootable floppy
[11:18] <suix> por lo que parece has metido al gato dentro del ordena
[11:18] <zensamsara> it just hangs there forever
[11:18] <zensamsara> what could be causing this?
[11:19] <zensamsara> my guess is that the only option i have is to take out the hard disk, put it into another machine as slave, and try to fix it
[11:19] <zensamsara> either formatting the mbr, or just formatting the whole disk
[11:19] <Gwildor> maybe repost that, so people can read it wituout 3000 lek post in the middle
[11:19] <zensamsara> k
[11:19] <zensamsara> my home pc is a dual boot sys
[11:19] <zensamsara> and after everything installed correctly, and i rebooted the system
[11:20] <neighborlee> zensamsara, i've never heard of such a delima...does windows work okay or do you just  have linux on this HD ?
[11:20] <zensamsara> now i cannot get past the initial splash screen of my pc
[11:20] <zensamsara> etc
[11:20] <zensamsara> neighborlee, nope, not even windows loads now
[11:20] <zensamsara> nothing loads
[11:20] <Seq> zensamsara: the hard disk would not affect your ability to configure the bios, which you said you couldn't do
[11:20] <neighborlee> yeah something else is at play here
[11:20] <Gwildor> zensamsara: can you maybe just redo the instal.....it doesnt take that long?
[11:20] <zensamsara> Seq, yup, ive heard that one
[11:21] <neighborlee> i'd redo install definitely
[11:21] <zensamsara> Gwildor, the weird thing is that my pc is now dead
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> zensamsara: sounds like your BIOS is FUBAR
[11:21] <zensamsara> it wont even recognize a bootable cd
[11:21] <nirai> zensamsara: You sure you can't get into the BIOS config?
[11:21] <Seq> zensamsara: i have, however, seen a dead disk severely affect the systems ability to post. try disconnecting the disk and booting of a bootable media like the ubuntu cd
[11:21] <zensamsara> HrdwrBoB, and could the installation of ubuntu have caused this?
[11:21] <zensamsara> nirai, damn sure
[11:22] <zensamsara> Seq, will try that
[11:22] <neighborlee> Seq, never seen that happen but I hope thats it..thx for info ;-)
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> zensamsara: no
[11:22] <zensamsara> my machine is a Gateway
[11:22] <nirai> zensamsara: Have you thought about taking out the HDD?
[11:22] <Seq> zensamsara: back with the 40gig fujitsu disks that lasted roughly 1 year of use, i saw this kind of thing alot with failing disks
[11:22] <zensamsara> Pentium IV, 128 ram
[11:23] <Seq> neighborlee: my last comment was actually for you  ;)
[11:23] <zensamsara> hold on, ill just take out the disk
[11:23] <zensamsara> thanks for all the help guys
[11:23] <zensamsara> brb
[11:23] <neighborlee> Seq, np yup I caught it
[11:23] <broodster> when's pentium 5 coming out?
[11:23] <lek> never
[11:23] <JConnell> never
[11:23] <broodster> ... really?
[11:23] <mroth> hmm what program do people recommend to burn isos to CD?  prefer something simple and quick and easy
[11:23] <Seq> i really, really hope intel ditches the "pentium" name for their next series of chips
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> broodster: next intel chip is pentium M desktop
[11:24] <broodster> isnt the point of pentium m for mobile support?
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> yes and no
[11:24] <lek> more like low power and more efficient
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> P-M is a much better chip than the P4
[11:24] <Seq> broodster: initially, but it kicks the crap out of the p4, so why limit it to the mobile market
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> it beats the pants off it
[11:24] <{GoldenEye}> mroth > k3b
[11:25] <broodster> But is it better than AMd64?
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> no
[11:25] <lek> depends
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> not really
[11:26] <mroth> {GoldenEye}: hrm, thats for kde though
[11:26] <broodster> lek ?
[11:26] <Riddell> mroth: it's the best CD burning programme there is
[11:26] <Seq> amd's athlon 64 wins by having the memory controller on the cpu. the 64 bit will be nice eventually too ;)
[11:26] <linux_mafia> mroth, just right click on the iso, and select burn
[11:26] <lek> broodster, on what you plan to do/are doing
[11:26] <mroth> I dont need the best there is, I just need something that works
[11:27] <linux_mafia> mroth, ok
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> Seq: 64 bit is nice, esp for a server
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> there's lots of caveats currently as a desktop though
[11:27] <mroth> linux_mafia: that method looks perfect
[11:27] <{GoldenEye}> mroth > I use-it on gnome
[11:27] <{GoldenEye}> on my mdk10
[11:27] <Riddell> mroth: nautilus also works, but most people use k3b because it works better
[11:27] <Seq> HrdwrBoB: yeah, everybody i know with an athlond 64 just runs a 32 bit system on it. that said, performance kicks ass on it anyway
[11:27] <broodster> lek ok say gaming?
[11:28] <{GoldenEye}> never tested it on my new ubuntu
[11:28] <HrdwrBoB> Seq: same :)
[11:28] <linux_mafia> mroth, i think the others squash ants with sledges, heh
[11:28] <ZzeCoOl> hello guys
[11:28] <subterrific> i run mine in 64bit mode
[11:28] <Seq> HrdwrBoB: how are your temperatures on it? my friends are terrible, but i think it's his crappy heatsink and such
[11:29] <ZzeCoOl> guys do you know what i need to play 5.1 xvid in ubuntu (ac3)
[11:29] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[11:29] <{GoldenEye}> mroth > my LG cr-rw never burned so fast as it do with k3b
[11:30] <{GoldenEye}> :)
[11:30] <ZzeCoOl> k3b in gnome?
[11:30] <kroach1271> have you installed mplayer yet?
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> Seq:I don't run one personally, only a dual for work
[11:30] <spacey`ki> does vsftpd support fxp?
[11:30] <ZzeCoOl> mplayer yes
[11:30] <Seq> HrdwrBoB: ah, i see. i actually have a mobile athlon-xp in my desktop, so i don't run one at all
[11:30] <ZzeCoOl> does it have xvid codecs and codec to decode ac3
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> ahh ok
[11:30] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[11:31] <zensamsara> guys, i disconnected the HD
[11:31] <Wulf_> spacey`ki: I guess you don't even know what fxp is
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> I just have a normal XP2800+ in my desktop
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> it
[11:31] <zensamsara> put on the ubuntu cd
[11:31] <andreas_> were should i place the skin to xmms
[11:31] <kroach1271> hmm... how about the essential codecs package?
[11:31] <zensamsara> and now it booted into the installation again
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> it's not yet slow enough to warrant an upgrade
[11:31] <Wulf_> spacey`ki: if you knew, you wouldn't ask this question.
[11:31] <Vaportrail> file exchange protocol
[11:31] <ZzeCoOl> kroach1271: what exacly is this?
[11:31] <lek> zzecool, i take it you didnt compile yourself
[11:31] <zensamsara> should i reinstall ubuntu?
[11:31] <nirai> zensamsara: Were you able to get into your bios config with the hdd off?
[11:31] <netmonk> {GoldenEye}, on my toshiba satellite k3b recognizes my combo only as a dvd, not as a burner, any ideas? anyone?
[11:31] <ZzeCoOl> let compile what?
[11:32] <zensamsara> nirai, didnt try it
[11:32] <ZzeCoOl> lek
[11:32] <zensamsara> let me see
[11:32] <Seq> HrdwrBoB: mine is a athlon-xp mobile 2600+. its more than fast enough for anything i've needed to do, including a handful of games
[11:32] <kroach1271> These codecs are required to play just about any a/v format, Zze. They can be downloaded from the mplayerhq site.
[11:32] <zensamsara> nirai, affirmative
[11:32] <andreas_> how to find out where a program is located?
[11:32] <ZzeCoOl> if i install this codecs then this codecs can be used by xine as well?
[11:32] <nirai> zensamsara: So your bios is ok?
[11:32] <Seq> zensamsara: do you have another machine to plug the hard disk into?
[11:32] <linux_mafia> netmonk,  running as root or user?
[11:33] <netmonk> user
[11:33] <kroach1271> Unfortunately, no... But MPlayer does just fine.
[11:33] <spacey`ki> Wulf_, sure i do
[11:33] <ZzeCoOl> ok
[11:33] <ZzeCoOl> i ll try
[11:33] <netmonk> linux_mafia, user
[11:33] <s1amson> mplayer rocks
[11:33] <linux_mafia> netmonk, thats why, try as root, or use sudo
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> Seq: I play quite a bit of games on mine, ut2k4, world of warcraft, warcraft3, doom3
[11:33] <kroach1271> Not sure about the video format you specified, though. Haven't tested all of 'em yet.
[11:33] <Wulf_> spacey`ki: so, what is it, explained using FTP protocol?
[11:33] <mon_> andreas_: skins go in ~/.xmms/skins iirc
[11:33] <Gwildor> anyone know the exact size of a default warty install?
[11:33] <netmonk> ok, let me try
[11:33] <s1amson> it even supports streaming .nsv
[11:34] <mon_> Gwildor: >2G available should do
[11:34] <spacey`ki> Wulf_, is it quiz time or something. but i'll bite;)
[11:34] <Seq> HrdwrBoB: i did a bit of doom 3, though i'm mostly doing ut2004, and counter-strike source lately
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> ahh
[11:34] <andreas_> mon_: iirc?
[11:34] <Seq> HrdwrBoB: the only issues i've had is with dosbox, just because that thing will eat as much cpu as you can throw at it
[11:34] <zensamsara> nirai, looks like it is
[11:34] <Wulf_> spacey`ki: I'm just trying to prove that your question is nonsense
[11:34] <zensamsara> (the bios is ok)
[11:35] <zensamsara> Seq, yes i have another machine
[11:35] <spacey`ki> it gives to possibility for a client to let transfer from one ftp server to the other directly
[11:35] <zensamsara> Buuuut
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> Seq: well dosbox is a full cpu/system emulator
[11:35] <lek> dosbox rocks
[11:35] <zensamsara> some smart minds at gateway managed to put screws into the HD that make it impossible to remove
[11:35] <spacey`ki> but i found the prominious or something options, so i guess it will work now
[11:35] <zensamsara> how the hell did they put the screws there?
[11:35] <Seq> HrdwrBoB: exactly. but its just so fun to play betrayal at krondor again :D
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> heh :)
[11:35] <spacey`ki> before i missed one of those, so it didn't work
[11:35] <netmonk> linux_mafia, it works now. thanks! is there a way to always start k3b as a root without having to write the passoword?
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> I played full throttle again the other day, <3 scummvm
[11:36] <Seq> i pulled out all my old games, like the star trek 25th anniversary, some of the old wing commanders :)
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> netmonk: you could chmod 4755 /usr/bin/k3b
[11:37] <Seq> i actually recently found out that there are some guys completely redoing wing commander privateer in the vendetta (i think) engine
[11:37] <Wulf_> spacey`ki: every ftp server which supports passive and/or active transfers (I don't know of any ftp server not supporting this) supports the thing you call fxp
[11:37] <Basttrax> Hey everyone
[11:37] <Basttrax> I need someones help. I'm done with windows
[11:37] <linux_mafia> netmonk, youll have to read up how, i did it before but forgot now, you can put certain commands in the /etc/sudoers file so no password is required for that app
[11:37] <spacey`ki> Wulf_, thats great:)
[11:37] <Wulf_> spacey`ki: when they don't support fxp, this is *additional* code which disables this
[11:38] <Basttrax> anyone ;(
[11:38] <Wulf_> and this code can be turned off in every (most??) implementations
[11:38] <Quest-Master> Basttrax: :D What's your problem?
[11:38] <spacey`ki> Wulf_, yes it is a security check in vsftpd
[11:38] <Quest-Master> I'll help you
[11:38] <Basttrax> I installed ubuntu beside windows. i dont need the windows partition and need more room for ubuntu. how do i get rid of it
[11:38] <Basttrax> windows that is
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> Basttrax: you can either boot to a bootdisk and extend your linux partition
[11:39] <linux_mafia> netmonk, username ALL= NOPASSWD: /path/to/k3b
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> Basttrax: or reformat the windows partition and add it as a seperate disk
[11:39] <Basttrax> how do i extend my linux partition
[11:39] <xvlun> Basttrax, maybe qtparted could be helpfull
[11:39] <broodster> basttrax or you can use the space by mounting you windows partition on linux
[11:39] <JDahl> my firefox tries to play movieclips using totem (and fails), although I have mozilla-mplayer plugin installed... isnt there a way to force firefox not to use totem?
[11:40] <Basttrax> when i mount it on linux it's read only.
[11:40] <verNoningoaL> got a question i got the ubuntu live cd and i wanna play around with it befor i install it but my live cd doesnt work
[11:40] <kal> 'nite all :)
[11:40] <mon_> andreas_: if i recal correctly. just look in your .xmms dir
[11:40] <Basttrax> it's NTFS. i wouldn't mind keeping it if i could use it.
[11:40] <broodster> chmod it =D
[11:40] <Basttrax> chmod?
[11:40] <s1amson> format it
[11:40] <HrdwrBoB> Basttrax: you can't do that :(
[11:40] <broodster> you cant?
[11:40] <HrdwrBoB> NTFS doesn't have a working write mode
[11:41] <broodster> oh
[11:41] <HrdwrBoB> broodster: NTFS is not supported for writing
[11:41] <Basttrax> :(
[11:41] <andreas_> mon_: i cant find it... :(
[11:41] <s1amson> i support the formatting of it though :D
[11:41] <broodster> well i guess you could just format it then
[11:41] <andreas_> i only find it on the dchroot, but i had it going before i started dchroot
[11:41] <HrdwrBoB> Basttrax: http://ubcd.sourceforge.net/
[11:41] <Basttrax> Is there a program with a GUI for fromatting
[11:41] <HrdwrBoB> that seems to do it
[11:41] <nicedreams> Is anyone having problems with Ubuntu freezing?
[11:42] <nirai> Basttrax look into cfdisk and disklabel.
[11:42] <netmonk> linux_mafia, netmonk@ubuntu:~ $ netmonk ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/k3b
[11:42] <netmonk> bash: netmonk: command not found
[11:42] <nirai> sorry but no gui I know of.
[11:42] <Seq> Basttrax: there is code to allow writing to ntfs files, but you can't resize them at all, just change them. so in a pinch you could create a file that is 4 gigs (from windows) on your ntfs partition, then come to linux and format that file with a filesystem, then mount it using loopback. but thats a PITA, and you'd probably be better off looking into ways to shrink the ntfs partition
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> nirai: put that line in /etc/sudoers
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> er netmonk
[11:43] <netmonk> i see now, said the blind man
[11:43] <netmonk> ;)
[11:43] <Basttrax> I'm willing to wipe that entire section off my hard-disk. give it all to linux
[11:43] <Basttrax> I just dont want to start all over with Ubuntu again
[11:43] <nicedreams> Is anyone having problems with Ubuntu locking up?
[11:44] <Quest-Master> nicedreams: Hoary or Warty?
[11:44] <nicedreams> hoary
[11:44] <mroth> there is a program called 'ntfsresize' that is supposed to do a really good job resizing ntfs partitions
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> Basttrax: get any bootable CD with parted (pref qtparted, it's GUI and easy) and it will let you delete windows and extend the ext3 parttition
[11:44] <PurpleFly> Basttrax: also lookup captive-ntfs
[11:44] <nicedreams> i'm thinking it's an nvidia driver thing
[11:44] <Wulf_> nicedreams: linux doesn't lock up, except for hardware problems
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> mroth:that's not needed here though
[11:44] <Wulf_> or graphics :)
[11:44] <xvlun> hdary = unstable?
[11:44] <PurpleFly> if you want to just read and write to ntfs
[11:44] <Quest-Master> nicedreams: Can't help you there then
[11:44] <linux_mafia> netmonk, heh, it goes in the /etc/sudoers file
[11:44] <nicedreams> i changed ram/graphic card and hard drive
[11:44] <nicedreams> this is a new install of ubuntu also
[11:44] <nicedreams> and it still locks up
[11:45] <netmonk> linux_mafia, does it matter on which line?
[11:45] <nicedreams> i have nvidia card using official nvidia drivers
[11:45] <nicedreams> might that be a problem?
[11:45] <Seq> PurpleFly: the write ntfs code in the kernel only supports modifying files, you can't add, expand, or delete. its pretty useless unless you're working on files with a fixed length
[11:45] <mon_> andreas_: you're using xmms?
[11:45] <nicedreams> it says something about problems with rivafb being in the kernel
[11:46] <andreas_> yes sir
[11:46] <andreas_> i found one .xmms at root
[11:46] <PurpleFly> Seq: no the kernel ntfs code, capt-ve-tnfs, it uses the windows driver to read and write with out a problem
[11:46] <mon_> andreas_: but not in your homedir?
[11:46] <andreas_> and i copied the things in the zip, but still i cant find it
[11:46] <PurpleFly> captive-ntfs
[11:46] <mon_> andreas_: you do run xmms as normal user do you?
[11:46] <andreas_> not in my home dir
[11:46] <linux_mafia> netmonk, i dont think so, not 100% sure
[11:46] <andreas_> yes i do
[11:46] <mon_> nicedreams: remove the vesa driver, it's in the readme
[11:47] <zensamsara> im back
[11:47] <zensamsara> well, this is the situation
[11:47] <LinuxNIT--> hey guys. I installed enlightenment on my computer but it dosent show up under the session list. How Do i Get it to show up?
[11:47] <nicedreams> which readme?
[11:47] <mon_> andreas_: i wonder how that .xmms gets in /root then :)
[11:47] <PurpleFly> Seq: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[11:47] <zensamsara> if i connect / enable the HD, nothing loads / works
[11:47] <mon_> nicedreams: well, _a_ readme, i'm sure i've read it before :)
[11:47] <Seq> PurpleFly: yeah, but depending on a solution like that for a major part of your system (ie, a filesystem) isn't such a great idea imho.
[11:47] <andreas_> i never installed xmms, thats the strange part about it
[11:47] <zensamsara> if i disconnect / disable it, i can boot to CD and enter the BIOS setup
[11:47] <mon_> nicedreams: you'll get 2 conflicting drivers then
[11:47] <andreas_> it came with ubuntu
[11:47] <zensamsara> obviously the hd is malfunctioning
[11:47] <zensamsara> but how can this affect the entire system?
[11:47] <nicedreams> mon_, i've taken out dir and glcore
[11:47] <mon_> andreas_: and you want to install a skin for it right?
[11:48] <andreas_> 'yes
[11:48] <nirai> zensamsara: You don't have a weird BIOS thats locked up with Winodows do you?
[11:48] <Gwildor> zensamsara: can you press <tab> to desable the splash, to see what is going on?.....
[11:48] <PurpleFly> Seq: yes i know, if you if you readlly need to have a ntfs filesystem and linux that is the only way make life "easier"
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> zensamsara: it's possible that the disk is physically broken
[11:48] <mon_> andreas_: i guess you could do "mkdir -p ~/.xmms/skins" as normal user, but i feel somethings not right...
[11:49] <Seq> true, i suppose
[11:49] <mon_> nicedreams: dir and glcore? and those are?
[11:49] <zensamsara> nirai, i have no idea, how can i confirm that?
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> zensamsara: and doesn't allow the system to POST when it's in
[11:49] <zensamsara> Gwildor, let me see
[11:49] <zensamsara> HrdwrBoB, but it was working perfectly right before i installed ubuntu
[11:49] <nicedreams> mon_, inside the xorg.conf that you have to remove and change "nv" to "nvidia"
[11:49] <Seq> "Project is no longer developed. The key functionality is reached by the latest released version", then right after it says "Mounting of NTFS devices usually works, but is no longer supported by the author of Captive"
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> zensamsara: ubuntu being installed is, in this case, a bit of a red herring
[11:49] <nirai> zensamsara: You need to google on that.
[11:49] <mon_> nicedreams: thats right
[11:49] <andreas_> hm... i found it, i was logged in on dchroot
[11:49] <andreas_> woops
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> this seems to be an unrealted hardware problem
[11:50] <andreas_> but still xmms dont see the skin
[11:50] <zensamsara> HrdwrBoB, a bit of a red herring?
[11:50] <zensamsara> what does that mean
[11:50] <PurpleFly> Seq: yes, but it still works, as it works on top of lufs
[11:50] <mon_> andreas_: see :)
[11:50] <Gwildor> zensamsara: kinda like ubuntu caused, but only do to circumstances, it could have happened no matter what you tried to install
[11:50] <mon_> maybe you should just log everything out, log in as normal user and start xmms (maybe change a setting in there) then everything should be alright
[11:51] <zensamsara> Gwildor, i see, so my hd is probably nuked beyond repair?
[11:51] <nirai> zensamsara: Lile somebody suggested earlier.  I think its best if you test your HDD on another machine.
[11:51] <Seq> haha! there are photos of the phantom console making an appearance at CES! :p
[11:51] <zensamsara> nirai, yes, will try that
[11:51] <andreas_> gonna try that
[11:51] <mon_> zensamsara: and think about raid1 or scsi ;)
[11:51] <zensamsara> mon_, heh, i hear you
[11:52] <Gwildor> zensamsara: that i am not sure of, try to look "behind" the splash to see what is hapening, i was just commenting on what HrdwrBoB said
[11:52] <zensamsara> ok
[11:52] <andreas_> that was scary... it logged off before i pused anybuttons
[11:52] <andreas_> i mean right after i wrote mye last line
[11:53] <andreas_> hmm
[11:53] <nirai> Seems like a weird coincidence for hdd to break at the moment of new installation.
[11:53] <zensamsara> well, i looked at the splash
[11:53] <zensamsara> using tab i mean
[11:53] <zensamsara> it prints real fast, but from what i could see
[11:54] <nortoncillo> hello to everyone
[11:54] <zensamsara> it starts loading, checking memory, and then it hangs when it checks the HD
[11:54] <jamin_l> ok, somehow I've managed to forget which package I need to grab to enable MP3 playback
[11:54] <randabis-laptop> w32codecs will do the trick
[11:55] <nortoncillo> i need some help with grub.
[11:55] <randabis-laptop> so will libmad
[11:55] <andreas_> nortoncillo: what kind
[11:55] <andreas_> of help
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> mon_: scsi hard drives in my experience aren't particularly better than IDE
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> in terms of reliability
[11:56] <nortoncillo> i've installed ubuntu in a hd, and now (ywo week's later) i connected an old win98se disk, and i want to be able to select the SO to boot
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> but are more usually in raid
[11:56] <mon_> then you'd might as well use ide i guess
[11:56] <mon_> but that's a bit beside the point now
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> or SATA
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[11:57] <andreas_> well go to /boot/grub
[11:57] <nortoncillo> ini there actually
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> well, if you're building a new box, there's no reason not to use SATA
[11:57] <andreas_> find i file thatss called .menu.lst or something
[11:57] <andreas_> open it with root privileges
[11:57] <nortoncillo> done
[11:57] <jamin_l> will either of those packages enable MP3 playback in Rhythmbox?
[11:58] <nirai> I prefer scsi. Though I'm using SATA.
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> jamin_l: gstreamer-mad
[11:58] <andreas_> is it conencted with on the same ide cable as your linux?
[11:58] <andreas_> or is it on another?
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> nirai: the cost benefit ratio for using SCSI is very poor, and compared with NCQ SATA is absolutely woeful
[11:58] <nortoncillo> they are in diferent ide's
[11:59] <nortoncillo> ide0 ubuntu alone---- ide1 win98se hd and a cdrw
[11:59] <jamin_l> thank you
[11:59] <nortoncillo> the win98se is master
[11:59] <mon_> jamin_l: a search for mp3 on the ubuntu site will give you the answer in 3 secs...
[11:59] <PurpleFly> I got a problem with Rhythmbox freezing on jpg files while scanning for music files, anyone else have this problem
[11:59] <randabis-laptop> I wonder why none of those radio stations in rhythmbox work..
[11:59] <mon_> PurpleFly: i have jpg's in there too, no problem... perhaps you should file a bug
[11:59] <andreas_> iam not really sure but then its maybe hdc1 ;)