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| froud | African greetings | 06:58 |
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| sivang | froud: greetings | 06:59 |
| froud | morning sivang | 06:59 |
| sivang | froud: morning | 07:00 |
| sivang | froud: I like it when you sau african greetings, sounds so, so... warm and assuring. | 07:00 |
| sivang | :) | 07:00 |
| froud | warm place, warm people :-) | 07:00 |
| sivang | froud: true, although you've said the brits make it a bit cold :) | 07:01 |
| froud | he he cold place | 07:02 |
| froud | di dyou read th elist mail today | 07:02 |
| sivang | froud: nah...I'm finishing this huge page to g-s-t and then going to catch up on it....I'm gonna have some tons of mail to go over.. | 07:05 |
| froud | ok | 07:05 |
| plovs | good morning all | 10:36 |
| ChrisH | Hi, Alex... | 10:40 |
| ChrisH | Happy Monday all around :) | 10:40 |
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| froud | plovs, ping | 12:03 |
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| sivang | ChrisH: yo ChrisH | 01:21 |
| ChrisH | sivang: re yo | 01:21 |
| plovs | hi guys, how are the docs today? | 01:26 |
| plovs | sivang: what are you doing with g-s-t? | 01:27 |
| froud | plovs, what's with gconf. you have an entity ref, but no entity or xml instance | 01:29 |
| froud | did you do your last commit on these | 01:30 |
| plovs | froud: let me check | 01:31 |
| sivang | plovs: uploading a screenshot for you :) | 01:32 |
| plovs | sivang: cool | 01:33 |
| plovs | hmm cannot connect to server? | 01:34 |
| froud | plovs, you mean svn | 01:34 |
| plovs | froud: yes | 01:34 |
| froud | it has come up and down since last night | 01:34 |
| plovs | is it a problem on my end? | 01:34 |
| froud | I understand hornbeck is having some trouble | 01:35 |
| froud | loads of rain in London | 01:35 |
| plovs | froud: he is in the states, but still | 01:36 |
| froud | ok, sorry, then perhaps I am confused | 01:36 |
| plovs | we had lots of water as well, parts of the city next to the river flooded | 01:36 |
| plovs | but my internet is up, nonetheless! | 01:36 |
| froud | which city | 01:36 |
| plovs | riga, latvia | 01:36 |
| froud | he he last time I was in Prague I just left in time | 01:37 |
| froud | the whole city flooded and cut of roads to where I was living | 01:37 |
| plovs | :-) my wife couldn't fly on saturday, was stuck one more night in danmark | 01:37 |
| froud | just managed to get out and to the airport in time | 01:37 |
| froud | Hmm not a bad place to be stuck | 01:37 |
| plovs | well, considering i was *not* in danmark i dissagree :-) | 01:38 |
| plovs | froud: you should have stayed in sa, you have the best wheather on the planet i am told | 01:38 |
| froud | yes, but when I left 15 years ago sa had many political problems | 01:40 |
| froud | now its much better | 01:40 |
| plovs | froud: agreed, things have improved | 01:40 |
| froud | plovs, so you like the rfc for the doc team web site? | 01:41 |
| plovs | froud: well, i can't do anything at the moment with svn, but the changes cannot be big anyway | 01:42 |
| froud | no they are not | 01:42 |
| plovs | froud: yes, it needs some shaping up, and this looks good | 01:42 |
| froud | what did you mean create it under SeanWheller? | 01:42 |
| plovs | whell, you have a homepage on the wiki i suppose, just create it as a subpage there, then when you are satisfied move it up | 01:44 |
| froud | Hmm I dont have a home page, should I? | 01:44 |
| === froud asks that you excuse his ignorance about wiji | ||
| plovs | froud: not necessarily, it's a matter of choice, it just help to keep things organized, you can put it under my page if you want | 01:45 |
| === plovs loves wikis | ||
| sivang | froud: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/Screenshot2.png | 01:47 |
| froud | Ok send a uri | 01:47 |
| sivang | oops | 01:47 |
| sivang | plovs: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/Screenshot2.png | 01:47 |
| plovs | sivang: looks cool, is this an update or a rewrite of the current user-config stuff? | 01:50 |
| froud | plovs, send me a url to your wiki home page | 01:52 |
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| sid77 | hi | 01:53 |
| froud | ello | 01:54 |
| plovs | froud: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AlexanderPoslavsky | 01:56 |
| sivang | plovs: update, the profiles didn't have any ability to allow you to add default privilege groups to the users templates, I am now trying to finish the backend stuff and we're all done. | 02:00 |
| sivang | plovs: and now also when you create a user, it inherits those default priv groups from the selected profile. | 02:01 |
| plovs | sivang: sounds really cool, profiles make stuff more powerfull | 02:02 |
| sivang | plovs: yes, this even makes sense more, as the g-s-t backends now also support batch execution, which means you can create different specs of systems, and just knock yourself out and create N copies of a system profile stored in the xml backend, roughly speaking that enables you to take N machines, and and progrematically set them up as you like in a coheren way. | 02:03 |
| sivang | but my patch is rather small I think :) | 02:04 |
| sivang | does anybody remember how I add a custom entry to the "Applications | 02:07 |
| sivang | menu? | 02:07 |
| froud | sivang, appname.dsktop ? | 02:14 |
| froud | appname.desktop | 02:14 |
| sivang | froud: there is a gui way to do it can't recall how to invoke the menu editor.. | 02:14 |
| froud | from the kicker, right-click ? | 02:15 |
| sivang | kicker?!?!? | 02:15 |
| sivang | are you using KDE?! | 02:15 |
| ChrisH | sivang: panel | 02:15 |
| sivang | :p | 02:15 |
| froud | sure | 02:15 |
| sivang | we're a GNOME distro here :) | 02:15 |
| sivang | ! | 02:15 |
| === ChrisH is on KDE, too :) | ||
| sivang | ChrisH: right click? | 02:15 |
| froud | kde rocks | 02:15 |
| ChrisH | sivang: Put away your MAC mouse and get a real one. ;) | 02:15 |
| sivang | ChrisH: eheheh, I have a real one... | 02:16 |
| ChrisH | froud: Don't tell that in the Ubuntu public or you'll get stoned. ;) | 02:16 |
| ChrisH | sivang: Perhaps we should ship an Ubuntu-brand mouse with the mouse buttons labeled "left" and "right" :) | 02:16 |
| froud | sivang, beshvil gha, "yamin" ve "smal" | 02:17 |
| froud | ChrisH, KDE ROCKS DUDE, now stone away :-) | 02:18 |
| === froud starts a falme war | ||
| ChrisH | Jehova! | 02:19 |
| sivang | hehe | 02:19 |
| froud | ChrisH, of course you need the hardware to run it :-0 | 02:20 |
| ChrisH | froud: I admit that my Pentium IV 2.4 GHz is a little slow. :) | 02:20 |
| ChrisH | froud: In fact... since I switched my machine back to KDE and use Ubuntu just for helping my parents-in-law and documentation writing/screenshot taking I'm way more productive. | 02:20 |
| froud | ChrisH, ata biy, kde forever Ra Ra Ra | 02:21 |
| ChrisH | froud: Intelligent window placement (not open the first windows somewhere in the middle), khotkeys, konqeror, k3b, ... | 02:21 |
| froud | ChrisH, k3b now there's some magic | 02:22 |
| froud | Kdiff3 | 02:22 |
| ChrisH | froud: graphical diff? | 02:23 |
| froud | yep 3way | 02:23 |
| sivang | ChrisH: from you it sounds like KDE is so much better ...:) | 02:24 |
| ChrisH | froud: I'm still the "vim -d" kind... | 02:24 |
| froud | "power through your conflicts" | 02:24 |
| ChrisH | sivang: Nah... :) | 02:24 |
| === sivang uses k3b under GNOME | ||
| ChrisH | sivang: I have used fvwm2, fluxbox, gnome, kde, ... I just feel that - although it's very bloated - KDE is easier to configure. | 02:25 |
| ChrisH | sivang: Gnome annoys me with it's "gconfd" which is no better than regedit.exe in Windows. | 02:25 |
| froud | and faster :-) | 02:25 |
| ChrisH | froud: No idea if it's a configuration problem, but yeah... KDE runs faster here. | 02:25 |
| ChrisH | I was even convinced of the "spatial view" in Gnome for a few weeks until I trashed it. :) | 02:26 |
| froud | and good old klipper is a time save when writing docs | 02:26 |
| ChrisH | knotes is better :) | 02:26 |
| froud | kget is another one for those hard to get downloads | 02:27 |
| ChrisH | And I can control XMMS from every window through khotkeys :) | 02:27 |
| ChrisH | froud: Let's leave Ubuntu. | 02:27 |
| froud | Yes, lets :-) | 02:27 |
| === ChrisH is curious how Enrico's daily report will look like | ||
| froud | :-) | 02:27 |
| froud | mutany on the ubuntu docs highway | 02:27 |
| sivang | froud: you hope nobody on tsf reads this logs... | 02:29 |
| froud | sivang, dont realy care its free | 02:29 |
| sivang | froud: kidding :) | 02:30 |
| froud | good news is that oneday the desktops will converge | 02:31 |
| froud | ChrisH, have you tried running any KDE stuff on Ubuntu | 02:34 |
| froud | I want to try it on my test box here, but afraid it wont work as I expect | 02:34 |
| ChrisH | froud: nope... | 02:35 |
| froud | Hmmm, I must try in oneday when I have some spare time to give in case it breaks the system | 02:36 |
| ChrisH | froud: But the postings on the ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-users mailing lists regarding KDE sounded very hostile | 02:36 |
| froud | yes, was looking at those the first few days I had Ubuntu installed on that box | 02:37 |
| froud | decided I was not in the mood for problems | 02:38 |
| froud | well, not that many | 02:38 |
| plovs | ;;well, the level of conversation has gone down i see, man, leave for five minutes and kde already rulez | 02:38 |
| ChrisH | plovs: So you are still on Gnome? ;) | 02:39 |
| plovs | gnome or screen | 02:40 |
| plovs | my productivity with kde dropped, i was mucking around with kde all the time instead of working | 02:41 |
| ChrisH | I still believe that Gnome is more "zen" for end-users. I'm trying to help build a distribution for end-users who don't want to worry. But I'd rather stay on Debian/Sid (which I must keep anyway to build packages). | 02:41 |
| === ChrisH loves mucking | ||
| plovs | i love the fact that it is possible, kde, gnome whatever you want i think that is great | 02:41 |
| ChrisH | And it's obvious that Mark doesn't want to handle two desktop environments already. | 02:42 |
| plovs | some of my friends are eagerly waiting for kubuntu though | 02:42 |
| ChrisH | KDE is probably less usable for newbies. In Gnome you just can't screw that much. That's why my mother-in-law has Sarge/KDE and father-in-law has Ubuntu/Gnome. He tends to click around more. :) | 02:42 |
| plovs | they both have plusses and minuses | 02:44 |
| ChrisH | plovs: You know my parents-in-law? ;) | 02:46 |
| plovs | ChrisH: i think parents-in-law do not come in many different flavours | 02:47 |
| plovs | (unlike window-managers) | 02:47 |
| plovs | my wife prefers gnome though | 02:48 |
| ChrisH | plovs: My father-in-law has a history of needing less than an hour to screw Windows XP so badly that not even Bill Gates could fix it. | 02:48 |
| plovs | but on hoary many things are a bit broken again :-( | 02:48 |
| froud | plovs, he sounds like a good tester | 02:49 |
| plovs | ChrisH: well, fixing xp is really hard, i prefer reinstalling from a ghost image | 02:49 |
| plovs | it would be nice to see how easy it is to lock down kde, locking down gnome is not so simple | 02:50 |
| ChrisH | plovs: it is? I never tried that in KDE. | 02:52 |
| plovs | there is some tool for it, don't remember what it's called | 02:52 |
| plovs | one day i would like to set up nis+nfs+kde/gnome for workstations at work | 02:52 |
| plovs | and then locked down in case your father-in-law drops by | 02:53 |
| plovs | froud: i updated my svn-repo, i am in sync, so everything that is not there does not exist | 02:56 |
| froud | plovs, ok so you have ref to &gconf; | 02:57 |
| froud | you need to add an entity to global.ent | 02:58 |
| froud | and create the XML-instance | 02:58 |
| plovs | froud: ah, ok, now i remember, i didn't know what it was called when i wrote that, sorry, i'll do it straight away | 03:03 |
| sivang | ChrisH: my dad does the same :) | 03:08 |
| plovs | froud: where is my reference to &gconf;? i seem to have lost it | 03:29 |
| froud | plovs, faqguide/faq/TipsTricks.xml 123:19 and 148:19 | 03:32 |
| plovs | froud: fixed | 03:57 |
| froud | plovs, thanks dude | 03:57 |
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