[06:58] <froud> African greetings
[06:59] <sivang> froud: greetings
[06:59] <froud> morning sivang 
[07:00] <sivang> froud: morning
[07:00] <sivang> froud: I like it when you sau african greetings, sounds so, so... warm and assuring.
[07:00] <sivang> :)
[07:00] <froud> warm place, warm people :-)
[07:01] <sivang> froud: true, although you've said the brits make it a bit cold :)
[07:02] <froud> he he cold place
[07:02] <froud> di dyou read th elist mail today
[07:05] <sivang> froud: nah...I'm finishing this huge page to g-s-t and then going to catch up on it....I'm gonna have some tons of mail to go over..
[07:05] <froud> ok
[10:36] <plovs> good morning all
[10:40] <ChrisH> Hi, Alex...
[10:40] <ChrisH> Happy Monday all around :)
[12:03] <froud> plovs, ping
[01:21] <sivang> ChrisH: yo ChrisH 
[01:21] <ChrisH> sivang: re yo
[01:26] <plovs> hi guys, how are the docs today?
[01:27] <plovs> sivang: what are you doing with g-s-t? 
[01:29] <froud> plovs, what's with gconf. you have an entity ref, but no entity or xml instance
[01:30] <froud> did you do your last commit on these
[01:31] <plovs> froud: let me check
[01:32] <sivang> plovs: uploading a screenshot for you :)
[01:33] <plovs> sivang: cool
[01:34] <plovs> hmm cannot connect to server?
[01:34] <froud> plovs, you mean svn
[01:34] <plovs> froud: yes
[01:34] <froud> it has come up and down since last night
[01:34] <plovs> is it a problem on my end?
[01:35] <froud> I understand hornbeck is having some trouble
[01:35] <froud> loads of rain in London
[01:36] <plovs> froud: he is in the states, but still
[01:36] <froud> ok, sorry, then perhaps I am confused
[01:36] <plovs> we had lots of water as well, parts of the city next to the river flooded
[01:36] <plovs> but my internet is up, nonetheless!
[01:36] <froud> which city
[01:36] <plovs> riga, latvia
[01:37] <froud> he he last time I was in Prague I just left in time
[01:37] <froud> the whole city flooded and cut of roads to where I was living
[01:37] <plovs> :-) my wife couldn't fly on saturday, was stuck one more night in danmark
[01:37] <froud> just managed to get out and to the airport in time
[01:37] <froud> Hmm not a bad place to be stuck
[01:38] <plovs> well, considering i was *not* in danmark i dissagree :-)
[01:38] <plovs> froud: you should have stayed in sa, you have the best wheather on the planet i am told
[01:40] <froud> yes, but when I left 15 years ago sa had many political problems
[01:40] <froud> now its much better
[01:40] <plovs> froud: agreed, things have improved
[01:41] <froud> plovs, so you like the rfc for the doc team web site?
[01:42] <plovs> froud: well, i can't do anything at the moment with svn, but the changes cannot be big anyway
[01:42] <froud> no they are not
[01:42] <plovs> froud: yes, it needs some shaping up, and this looks good
[01:42] <froud> what did you mean create it under SeanWheller?
[01:44] <plovs> whell, you have a homepage on the wiki i suppose, just create it as a subpage there, then when you are satisfied move it up
[01:44] <froud> Hmm I dont have a home page, should I?
[01:45] <plovs> froud: not necessarily, it's a matter of choice, it just help to keep things organized, you can put it under my page if you want
[01:47] <sivang> froud: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/Screenshot2.png
[01:47] <froud> Ok send a uri
[01:47] <sivang> oops
[01:47] <sivang> plovs: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/Screenshot2.png
[01:50] <plovs> sivang: looks cool, is this an update or a rewrite of the current user-config stuff?
[01:52] <froud> plovs, send me a url to your wiki home page
[01:53] <sid77> hi
[01:54] <froud> ello
[01:56] <plovs> froud: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AlexanderPoslavsky
[02:00] <sivang> plovs: update, the profiles didn't have any ability to allow you to add default privilege groups to the users templates, I am now trying to finish the backend stuff and we're all done.
[02:01] <sivang> plovs: and now also when you create a user, it inherits those default priv groups from the selected profile.
[02:02] <plovs> sivang: sounds really cool, profiles make stuff more powerfull
[02:03] <sivang> plovs: yes, this even makes sense more, as the g-s-t backends now also support batch execution, which means you can create different specs of systems, and just knock yourself out and create N copies of a system profile stored in the xml backend, roughly speaking that enables you to take N machines, and and progrematically set them up as you like in a coheren way.
[02:04] <sivang> but my patch is rather small I think :)
[02:07] <sivang> does anybody remember how I add a custom entry to the "Applications
[02:07] <sivang> menu?
[02:14] <froud> sivang, appname.dsktop ?
[02:14] <froud> appname.desktop
[02:14] <sivang> froud: there is a gui way to do it can't recall how to invoke the menu editor..
[02:15] <froud> from the kicker, right-click ?
[02:15] <sivang> kicker?!?!?
[02:15] <sivang> are you using KDE?!
[02:15] <ChrisH> sivang: panel
[02:15] <sivang> :p
[02:15] <froud> sure
[02:15] <sivang> we're a GNOME distro here :)
[02:15] <sivang> !
[02:15] <sivang> ChrisH: right click?
[02:15] <froud> kde rocks
[02:15] <ChrisH> sivang: Put away your MAC mouse and get a real one. ;)
[02:16] <sivang> ChrisH: eheheh, I have a real one...
[02:16] <ChrisH> froud: Don't tell that in the Ubuntu public or you'll get stoned. ;)
[02:16] <ChrisH> sivang: Perhaps we should ship an Ubuntu-brand mouse with the mouse buttons labeled "left" and "right" :)
[02:17] <froud> sivang, beshvil gha, "yamin" ve "smal"
[02:18] <froud> ChrisH, KDE ROCKS DUDE, now stone away :-)
[02:19] <ChrisH> Jehova!
[02:19] <sivang> hehe
[02:20] <froud> ChrisH, of course you need the hardware to run it :-0
[02:20] <ChrisH> froud: I admit that my Pentium IV 2.4 GHz is a little slow. :)
[02:20] <ChrisH> froud: In fact... since I switched my machine back to KDE and use Ubuntu just for helping my parents-in-law and documentation writing/screenshot taking I'm way more productive.
[02:21] <froud> ChrisH, ata biy, kde forever Ra Ra Ra
[02:21] <ChrisH> froud: Intelligent window placement (not open the first windows somewhere in the middle), khotkeys, konqeror, k3b, ...
[02:22] <froud> ChrisH, k3b now there's some magic
[02:22] <froud> Kdiff3
[02:23] <ChrisH> froud: graphical diff?
[02:23] <froud> yep 3way
[02:24] <sivang> ChrisH: from you it sounds like KDE is so much better ...:)
[02:24] <ChrisH> froud: I'm still the "vim -d" kind...
[02:24] <froud> "power through your conflicts"
[02:24] <ChrisH> sivang: Nah... :)
[02:25] <ChrisH> sivang: I have used fvwm2, fluxbox, gnome, kde, ... I just feel that - although it's very bloated - KDE is easier to configure.
[02:25] <ChrisH> sivang: Gnome annoys me with it's "gconfd" which is no better than regedit.exe in Windows.
[02:25] <froud> and faster :-)
[02:25] <ChrisH> froud: No idea if it's a configuration problem, but yeah... KDE runs faster here.
[02:26] <ChrisH> I was even convinced of the "spatial view" in Gnome for a few weeks until I trashed it. :)
[02:26] <froud> and good old klipper is a time save when writing docs
[02:26] <ChrisH> knotes is better :)
[02:27] <froud> kget is another one for those hard to get downloads
[02:27] <ChrisH> And I can control XMMS from every window through khotkeys :)
[02:27] <ChrisH> froud: Let's leave Ubuntu.
[02:27] <froud> Yes, lets :-)
[02:27] <froud> :-)
[02:27] <froud> mutany on the ubuntu docs highway
[02:29] <sivang> froud: you hope nobody on tsf reads this logs...
[02:29] <froud> sivang, dont realy care its free
[02:30] <sivang> froud: kidding :)
[02:31] <froud> good news is that oneday the desktops will converge
[02:34] <froud> ChrisH, have you tried running any KDE stuff on Ubuntu
[02:34] <froud> I want to try it on my test box here, but afraid it wont work as I expect
[02:35] <ChrisH> froud: nope...
[02:36] <froud> Hmmm, I must try in oneday when I have some spare time to give in case it breaks the system
[02:36] <ChrisH> froud: But the postings on the ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-users mailing lists regarding KDE sounded very hostile
[02:37] <froud> yes, was looking at those the first few days I had Ubuntu installed on that box
[02:38] <froud> decided I was not in the mood for problems
[02:38] <froud> well, not that many
[02:38] <plovs> ;;well, the level of conversation has gone down i see, man, leave for five minutes and kde already rulez
[02:39] <ChrisH> plovs: So you are still on Gnome? ;)
[02:40] <plovs> gnome or screen
[02:41] <plovs> my productivity with kde dropped, i was mucking around with kde all the time instead of working
[02:41] <ChrisH> I still believe that Gnome is more "zen" for end-users. I'm trying to help build a distribution for end-users who don't want to worry. But I'd rather stay on Debian/Sid (which I must keep anyway to build packages).
[02:41] <plovs> i love the fact that it is possible, kde, gnome whatever you want i think that is great
[02:42] <ChrisH> And it's obvious that Mark doesn't want to handle two desktop environments already.
[02:42] <plovs> some of my friends are eagerly waiting for kubuntu though
[02:42] <ChrisH> KDE is probably less usable for newbies. In Gnome you just can't screw that much. That's why my mother-in-law has Sarge/KDE and father-in-law has Ubuntu/Gnome. He tends to click around more. :)
[02:44] <plovs> they both have plusses and minuses
[02:46] <ChrisH> plovs: You know my parents-in-law? ;)
[02:47] <plovs> ChrisH: i think parents-in-law do not come in many different flavours
[02:47] <plovs> (unlike window-managers)
[02:48] <plovs> my wife prefers gnome though
[02:48] <ChrisH> plovs: My father-in-law has a history of needing less than an hour to screw Windows XP so badly that not even Bill Gates could fix it.
[02:48] <plovs> but on hoary many things are a bit broken again :-(
[02:49] <froud> plovs, he sounds like a good tester
[02:49] <plovs> ChrisH: well, fixing xp is really hard, i prefer reinstalling from a ghost image
[02:50] <plovs> it would be nice to see how easy it is to lock down kde, locking down gnome is not so simple
[02:52] <ChrisH> plovs: it is? I never tried that in KDE.
[02:52] <plovs> there is some tool for it, don't remember what it's called
[02:52] <plovs> one day i would like to set up nis+nfs+kde/gnome for workstations at work
[02:53] <plovs> and then locked down in case your father-in-law drops by
[02:56] <plovs> froud: i updated my svn-repo, i am in sync, so everything that is not there does not exist
[02:57] <froud> plovs, ok so you have ref to &gconf;
[02:58] <froud> you need to add an entity to global.ent
[02:58] <froud> and create the XML-instance
[03:03] <plovs> froud: ah, ok, now i remember, i didn't know what it was called when i wrote that, sorry, i'll do it straight away
[03:08] <sivang> ChrisH: my dad does the same :)
[03:29] <plovs> froud: where is my reference to &gconf;? i seem to have lost it
[03:32] <froud> plovs, faqguide/faq/TipsTricks.xml 123:19 and 148:19
[03:57] <plovs> froud: fixed
[03:57] <froud> plovs, thanks dude