[12:00] <nortoncillo> yep
[12:00] <andreas_> if your linux is hda1.2.3
[12:00] <andreas_> wait a sec
[12:00] <PurpleFly> thanks mon_
[12:00] <nortoncillo> yes ide0 is hda1,2,3
[12:01] <nortoncillo> and the  win98se hd is hda1
[12:01] <nortoncillo> hdc1 sorry
[12:02] <randabis-laptop> anyne get the radio stations working?
[12:02] <mon_> randabis-laptop: work here, tried a few days ago that is..
[12:03] <randabis-laptop> none of them work for me
[12:04] <linux_mafia> randabis-laptop, use streamtuner
[12:05] <randabis-laptop> can I apt-get it?
[12:05] <linux_mafia> randabis-laptop, yes
[12:05] <randabis-laptop> good
[12:06] <Prower> Anyone know how I might be able to disable ntp synchronization to the Ubuntu server? It doesn't seem to be able to connect anyway :>
[12:06] <jdub> Prower: time and date in system configuration
[12:06] <mon_> randabis-laptop: "can i apt-get it?" use apt-cache search <progname> for that :)
[12:07] <Prower> jdub: Thanks...I'm looking there now, it doesn't seem to be checked though
[12:08] <xan> hi
[12:08] <randabis-laptop> sweet
[12:08] <randabis-laptop> mon_ I know, I was being lazy
[12:08] <randabis-laptop> I gots my streaming trance/techno fix now :)
[12:09] <xan> are there known causes for random hangs on ubuntu/ppc (powerbook)? the radeon and xfree maybe?
[12:11] <randabis-laptop> cool 160 kbps stream
[12:11] <Prower> That's odd...apparently the Ubuntu installer put on the NTP client, but not the server :>
[12:12] <randabis-laptop> ooh even better...192
[12:12] <Ensiferum> is there a way to have a new file/folder created with a different group than the user's primary group?
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> Ensiferum: you have to chmod it afterwards
[12:14] <Ensiferum> HrdwrBoB: you mean chgrp?
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> well chgrp will work also
[12:15] <Ensiferum> is there no other way?
[12:15] <jamin_l> my iPod is stuck mounted
[12:16] <jamin_l> i tried unmouting the drive from the Ubuntu side... but the iPod
[12:16] <jamin_l> is still blinking "Do not disconnect"
[12:17] <andreas_> doe ipod work on linux?
[12:18] <andreas_> i thought about getting one
[12:18] <andreas_> ;)
[12:18] <jamin_l> it was recognized
[12:18] <jamin_l> and the linux side unmounted it
[12:18] <netmonk> linux_mafia, need your help ;)
[12:18] <jamin_l> the iPod thinks it's still attached\
[12:19] <freerock> how can I get ubuntu to mount my iPod?
[12:19] <andreas_> jamin_l: check if your usb hub is still on (hotpluggged)
[12:20] <jamin_l> it's firewire
[12:20] <andreas_> havent tried firewire yet ;)
[12:21] <andreas_> freerock: hm...try to google it
[12:21] <jamin_l> get gtkpod
[12:21] <freerock> andreas_, shouldn't it automatically do it?
[12:21] <jamin_l> it's in the synaptic packet manager
[12:22] <subterrific> jamin_l: you need to unload the kernel module
[12:22] <andreas_> freerock: http://people.csail.mit.edu/people/adonovan/hacks/ipod.html
[12:22] <jamin_l> subterrific: explain?
[12:22] <subterrific> jamin_l: i'm having trouble remembering the name of the module, its like sdpb2 or something
[12:23] <freerock> andreas_, thanks, I know how to do it manually, I thought ubuntu would auto detect all my hardware for me, thus why I am trying it out
[12:23] <subterrific> but you need to run: rmmod sdpb2 (or whatever the module is named)
[12:23] <jamin_l> what does it mean to unload the kernel?
[12:23] <subterrific> you can use lsmod to find out what module it is
[12:23] <subterrific> kernel module...
[12:23] <freerock> spb2
[12:23] <subterrific> thats it
[12:24] <subterrific> jamin_l: rmmod spb2
[12:24] <andreas_> jamin_l: modprobe
[12:24] <freerock> err sbp2
[12:24] <subterrific> do that and the ipod will say you can disconnect it safely
[12:24] <subterrific> jamin_l: rmmod sbp2
[12:24] <subterrific> heh
[12:24] <jamin_l> do i have to download that from SPM?
[12:24] <freerock> just run eject /dev/ipoddevice to get rid of that message
[12:24] <subterrific> no
[12:25] <freerock> no need to remove the sbp2 module
[12:25] <subterrific> oh cool
[12:26] <jamin_l> module spb2 does not exist in /proc/modules/ ....
[12:27] <freerock> sbp2
[12:27] <jamin_l> yes sorry
[12:28] <jamin_l> i typed that properly in the term
[12:28] <jamin_l> but not here
[12:28] <jamin_l> same error i just can't type
[12:28] <drspin> mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[12:28] <drspin> any ideas????
[12:28] <drspin> it worked before
[12:28] <Haukkari> Umm, you don't have loopback device support in the kernel?
[12:28] <Haukkari> modprobe loop
[12:29] <randabis-laptop> add loop to /etc/modules
[12:37] <jamin_l> hmmmm "Removing sbp2: Operation not permitted"
[12:37] <jamin_l> do i need to sudo it?
[12:37] <astroraptor> I'm having trouble connecting to a Windows share, it's really slow and I can't play MP3's using XMMS using it, can anyone help me out?
[12:38] <jamin_l> woohoo
[12:38] <jamin_l> i disconnected it
[12:38] <Ward> Isnt there an mplayer in ubuntu?
[12:38] <lek> not by default
[12:38] <drspin> umount: it seems /mnt/iso is mounted multiple times
[12:38] <drspin> any ideas?
[12:39] <jamin_l> *hugs everyone for their help*
[12:39] <astroraptor> heh
[12:40] <mroth> hmm.. the hoary array 2 cd seems to be freezing on OOo when installing
[12:41] <drspin> what can I use to create Adobe Illustrator Compatible vector files?
[12:44] <drspin> ??
[12:44] <Ward> lek: and where can I find the mplayer version then? or isnt there a package  for ubuntu. I already got universe sources enabled
[12:47] <andreas_> somebody who knows about a good picture viewer, that handles slideshow etc?
[12:48] <HrdwrBoB> gqview
[12:48] <andreas_> damn i hate this synaptic thingy
[12:48] <kent> Ward, just install mplayer then?  and perhaps even w32codecs.  But, they might be in restricted (add restricted like you added universe)
[12:49] <nortoncillo> why andreas_
[12:49] <sladen> avifile-win32-plugin
[12:49] <andreas_> its just a mess
[12:49] <Ward> ok
[12:49] <nortoncillo> talking abour messes... it didnt worked out
[12:49] <andreas_> i liked the drake from mandrake better ;)
[12:49] <andreas_> what happend?
[12:50] <nortoncillo> sends me to the grub bash
[12:51] <andreas_> hm.. sowhen you try to write win98 there, it didnt work?
[12:51] <nortoncillo> i choose the win98 from the menu and then... grub bash
[12:51] <andreas_> I JUST LOVE DCHROOT :D:D:D
[12:51] <astroraptor> how can I mount a smb Windows share?
[12:52] <andreas_> man mount
[12:52] <andreas_> hm...see if you hd1.0 is right
[12:52] <astroraptor> man mount?
[12:53] <nortoncillo> now im playing ith grubconf
[12:53] <andreas_> HrdwrBoB: nice program ;)
[12:53] <andreas_> astroraptor: yesa, write man ount in a terminal en enjoy reading :P
[12:54] <andreas_> nortoncillo: sometimes playing is the best thing to do ;)
[12:54] <andreas_> but try google it too
[12:54] <andreas_> find out how other people stuffed their win98 in there...
[12:54] <nortoncillo> grubconf is a gui grub editor
[12:54] <adamZ> astroraptor: you can also do it graphically through nautilus (the file manager). Look in the file menu, connect to server
[12:54] <andreas_> nortoncillo:  hceater
[12:55] <nortoncillo> ??
[12:55] <andreas_> cheater :P
[12:55] <nortoncillo> haha
[12:55] <andreas_> let me see
[12:56] <nortoncillo> in synaptic, go and look for grub, in names and descriptions
[12:56] <andreas_> its about 2 am in africa... and in norway (on the other side of the south pole) its 1am... should i go to bed
[12:56] <astroraptor> Connect to Server is really slow and I can't add MP3's that are on the share to my playlist
[12:56] <nortoncillo> ??....
[12:56] <andreas_> nortoncillo: who cares :P :P :P i hate synaptic... thats the only thing ubuntu could remove
[12:56] <nortoncillo> andreas_ what time do you have in your puter?
[12:57] <nortoncillo> haha
[12:57] <andreas_> my computer goes one hour to fast ;)
[12:57] <andreas_> damn i stink
[12:57] <andreas_> need an shower too
[01:00] <netmonk> I can't get in gnome. it tells me: gnome-session: 9498 : WARNING **:  Unable to read ICE authority file: /home/netmonk/.ICEauthority. Can anyone please help me?
[01:01] <JoePenguin> netmonk: Find out if that file exists and who owns it:  ls -l /home/netmonk/.ICEauthority
[01:02] <netmonk> JoePenguin, it exists, it sais root
[01:02] <JoePenguin> netmonk: well then, that's the problem.
[01:02] <netmonk> how can I fix it? by cnanging owenership?
[01:03] <drspin> netmonk: delete that file
[01:03] <JoePenguin> netmonk: Either use chown to change ownership of the file to netmonk, or delete the file as root and it will probably be recreated.
[01:05] <davep_infoseeker> hi all!
[01:06] <davep_infoseeker> just wondering about setting up an internal ubuntu mirror
[01:06] <davep_infoseeker> can I set a mirror up witout mirroring all of the ppc and 64bit packages?
[01:06] <netmonk> drspin, JoePenguin, haleluiah! it worked. for about half hour I was frozen because didn't have back up. thanks for the help
[01:07] <JoePenguin> davep_infoseeker: either apt-proxy or debmirror is probably what you want.
[01:07] <davep_infoseeker> I can use those for the ubuntu mirror? which one is better?
[01:08] <JoePenguin> davep_infoseeker: They both do different things. apt-proxy is good for saving bandwidth
[01:08] <JoePenguin> apt-cache show apt-proxy
[01:08] <JoePenguin> apt-cache show debmirror
[01:08] <JoePenguin> read the descriptions
[01:09] <davep_infoseeker> rtfm? ;) thanks
[01:10] <JoePenguin> i pointed you in the right direction. I don't like to type out things that are documented elsewhere :)
[01:10] <davep_infoseeker> :) i understand . . . I saw those earlier but I have never setup a mirror before so I wasnt sure if they would work with ubuntu as well as debian
[01:11] <JoePenguin> I don't think that the tool knows the difference. It deals with .deb packages and that's all it cares about.
[01:11] <davep_infoseeker> ok great!
[01:12] <davep_infoseeker> does ubuntu have a network install disk? Or can you only install by CD?
[01:12] <drspin> netmonk: Glad I could help
[01:12] <davep_infoseeker> disk = floppy
[01:12] <JoePenguin> THe only time I used debmirror is when I needed to have a full mirror in a place where I had no network access.
[01:12] <davep_infoseeker> I see
[01:13] <davep_infoseeker> I am setting up a internal mirror in central america the only internet access is via a satellite system and costly bandwidth so I dont want all of my nodes on the network to be fetching stuff out across the sat link
[01:13] <davep_infoseeker> just from the local mirror
[01:13] <JoePenguin> davep_infoseeker: I would be a little surprised if Ubuntu did not have a network install method.
[01:14] <JoePenguin> davep_infoseeker: Then apt-proxy is exactly what you want.
[01:14] <poningru> hi real noob here need help with a display problem
[01:14] <poningru> the problem? it doesnt
[01:14] <davep_infoseeker> Well when you go to download ubuntu it shows to download the cd's or order cd's no mention of a boot floppy
[01:15] <poningru> when I try to boot into ubuntu, it just blanks out (my monitor turns off)
[01:15] <poningru> I am on compaq presario 2140us
[01:15] <poningru> ati 320
[01:15] <davep_infoseeker> poningru: once it turns off push ctrl-alt-+
[01:16] <poningru> what does that do?
[01:16] <JoePenguin> davep_infoseeker: hmm... i wonder if there is a netboot image on the cd
[01:16] <davep_infoseeker> by default it trys to display 1024x768 or something . . . if you monitor is not that good then pushing that will switch the display to 800x600
[01:17] <poningru> thats the thing though my monitor does display 1024x768
[01:17] <JoePenguin> poningru: Is ubuntu already installed, or are you booting from a CD?
[01:17] <poningru> already installed
[01:17] <imaek> Hi
[01:17] <imaek> I have a problem
[01:17] <poningru> and the weird thing is when I used the live cd this was not a problem
[01:17] <davep_infoseeker> maybe Joe. . . Ill check, I was gonna setup my mirror then just use a floppy to kick things off for each desktop
[01:17] <imaek> well actually it is quite a large problem.
[01:17] <linuxjones> imaek, hwat is it ?
[01:18] <imaek> Something has been wrong with ALSA ever since I installed KDE
[01:18] <imaek> there has always been a large ammount of static while no sound is playing
[01:18] <linuxjones> imaek, you probably just need to tell kde to use alsa and not oss
[01:18] <imaek> Well
[01:18] <davep_infoseeker> poningru try the ctrl-alt-+ thing
[01:18] <davep_infoseeker> see if it works
[01:18] <imaek> Even when I use Gnome
[01:18] <davep_infoseeker> if not then we can check some other stuff
[01:18] <imaek> (which is what I primarally use)
[01:18] <imaek> I get this terrible static
[01:18] <poningru> k I will give it a try
[01:19] <imaek> How do I do this?
[01:19] <imaek> Here - let be restart into KDE.
[01:19] <imaek> Be right back.
[01:20] <randabis-laptop> eew kde
[01:20] <imaek> Alright, I am in KDE.
[01:21] <imaek> How can I change it so that it uses ALSA instead of OSS
[01:22] <linuxjones> imaek, I use Gnome but I think it's under sound system from the K menu
[01:23] <JoePenguin> imaek: Control Center -> Sound & Multimedia -> Sound System
[01:23] <imaek> It is disabled
[01:23] <imaek> Should I enable it?
[01:23] <JoePenguin> enable it, and then check the hardware tab
[01:23] <linuxjones> yeah to use alsa it needs to be enabled
[01:23] <imaek> It says it is using ALSA.
[01:24] <JoePenguin> ok, accept the changes
[01:24] <imaek> Nothing has changed
[01:24] <imaek> Should it have?
[01:24] <imaek> I still have the static.
[01:24] <JoePenguin> are you sure that the static isn't a hardware problem?
[01:24] <imaek> Well
[01:24] <imaek> If I boot into windows it doesn't do it
[01:24] <imaek> and
[01:24] <imaek> before I installed KDE
[01:24] <imaek> it was fine.
[01:25] <JoePenguin> very strange
[01:25] <imaek> Yes.
[01:25] <JoePenguin> what kind of sound card do you have?
[01:25] <imaek> Let me check
[01:25] <imaek> Ensoniq AudioPCI
[01:26] <imaek> Well that's what it says in "alsamixergui"
[01:26] <imaek> I'm not sure that's correct.
[01:26] <poningru> hey back again
[01:26] <poningru> that ctrl-alt-+ thing did not work
[01:27] <JoePenguin> poningru: how far does the boot process get before your screen blanks out?
[01:27] <poningru> it says loading gnome, and I hear the drum beating sound
[01:27] <JoePenguin> interesting
[01:28] <JoePenguin> is that computer nearby, or are you dual booting?
[01:28] <poningru> see the thing is in live cd it works if I specify 1024x768 and frame buffer
[01:28] <poningru> dual booting
[01:28] <andreas_> say another mediaplayer then audio grabbar
[01:28] <poningru> it works with that
[01:28] <andreas_> say another mediaplayer then xmms
[01:28] <andreas_> ;)
[01:28] <poningru> but in booting from hd those things dont work
[01:28] <JoePenguin> andreas_: mplayer, noatun
[01:29] <JoePenguin> mpg321
[01:29] <davep_infoseeker> poningru: is your harddrive full? a similar thing happened to me
[01:29] <poningru> no lots of space left
[01:29] <superkitty> anybody use Ubuntu to burn cd ISOs?
[01:29] <linuxjones> superkitty, yeah
[01:29] <andreas_> wich command was it i could look how much diskspace i got left
[01:29] <JoePenguin> poningru: do you have a Radeon graphics card?
[01:29] <andreas_> ?
[01:29] <DeepSpaceAnt> hey I heard all the DEV teams have the new FGLRX drivers but havnt released them till ATI officially announces it?
[01:29] <davep_infoseeker> poningru: you sure gnome got installed properly?
[01:29] <JoePenguin> andreas_: df -h
[01:29] <linuxjones> superkitty, just open Nautilus and right click on the .iso file
[01:29] <poningru> ati 320
[01:30] <andreas_> thanks JoePenguin
[01:30] <jamin_l> any idea why I'd be able to see but not copy files to a FAT32 partition?
[01:30] <JoePenguin> poningru: i asked because i had to do the same framebuffer trick on someone's HP laptop last night to boot the live CD. I wonder if it's a known problem with ATI cards
[01:30] <DeepSpaceAnt> hey I heard all the DEV teams have the new FGLRX drivers but havnt released them till ATI officially announces it?
[01:31] <andreas_> what is tmpfs, swap?
[01:31] <JoePenguin> jamin_l: Yes, probably the permissions on the mount point specify that only root has write access.
[01:31] <davep_infoseeker> anyone know where to switch your language after the install is finished? (not gnome)
[01:31] <JoePenguin> andreas_: no, it is a filesystem that lives in RAM
[01:31] <poningru> see someone said in one of the forums that you can disable the 3d acel to work
[01:32] <linuxjones> jamin_l, check this out >> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[01:32] <poningru> but dont know how to
[01:32] <andreas_> damn its getting late again
[01:32] <imaek> Argh. This is so agrivating.
[01:32] <imaek> :(
[01:32] <ciber> hi guyz I'm trying to boot windows (/dev/hdc5), but I don't know how to add it to grub, I put root root	(hd5,0) but nothing happens :( How have I to configure the root in grub?
[01:33] <sladen> ciber: that's for a Linux kernel
[01:33] <ciber> root?
[01:33] <andreas_> ciber (hd0/1,5
[01:33] <ciber> no ! :(
[01:33] <ciber> /dev/hdc5           20321       39685     9759456    7  HPFS/NTFS
[01:33] <ciber> it's windows
[01:33] <sladen> ciber: you want something lie:
[01:33] <sladen> title           Windows NT/2000/XP
[01:33] <sladen> root            (hd0,0)
[01:33] <sladen> savedefault
[01:33] <sladen> makeactive
[01:33] <sladen> chainloader     +1
[01:33] <jamin_l> JoePenguin, I actually can't alter permissions on it, for whatever reason.  Even when in a root terminal
[01:33] <JoePenguin> ciber: to grub, hd(5,0) means the first partition on the 6th hard drive. obviously wrong
[01:34] <sladen> ...but with (hd0,4)
[01:34] <ciber> ohh ok
[01:34] <JoePenguin> /dev/hdc5 probably corresponts to  (hd2,5)
[01:34] <ciber> ohh :D
[01:34] <ZzeCoOl> ciber
[01:34] <ciber> okey Ill try :P
[01:34] <ZzeCoOl> listen
[01:34] <ciber> ok
[01:34] <andreas_> ciber (hd0,5) :D
[01:34] <ZzeCoOl> await
[01:34] <ZzeCoOl> wait
[01:34] <sladen> ciber: sorry  (hd2,4)
[01:34] <JoePenguin> wait...
[01:34] <ZzeCoOl> http://ubuntuguide.org/#addwindowsentrygrubmenu
[01:34] <ciber> okey
[01:34] <JoePenguin> yes,  hd2,4
[01:34] <andreas_> ciber (hd20,45) :D
[01:34] <ZzeCoOl> http://ubuntuguide.org/#addwindowsentrygrubmenu
[01:34] <ciber> :P
[01:34] <ciber> :D
[01:34] <andreas_> damn this is aggrevating
[01:34] <ZzeCoOl> here read this
[01:34] <andreas_> ciber (hd2,4) :D
[01:34] <ciber> ;)
[01:35] <JoePenguin> poningru: well, i can offer a suggestion
[01:35] <ciber> ZzeCoOl Ill red that thanks :P
[01:35] <poningru> yes please
[01:35] <andreas_> damn... should i go to bed?
[01:35] <andreas_> or get cedega going
[01:35] <andreas_> ... big questions of life
[01:35] <ZzeCoOl> http://ubuntuguide.org/ is the place to read before ask anything.... most commn tasks are there
[01:36] <ZzeCoOl> andreas_: what about cedega?
[01:36] <ciber> ZzeCoOl I was asking and that was the answer <andreas_> ciber (hd2,4) :D In ubuntu guide that doesn't appear
[01:36] <ciber> :P
[01:36] <ciber> well I'll try bye thanks guys :D
[01:36] <ZzeCoOl> ohh hok
[01:36] <ZzeCoOl> ok
[01:36] <JoePenguin> poningru: hmm... do you know how to use a text editor from the command line?
[01:36] <ZzeCoOl> andreas_: to you want to setup cedga?
[01:37] <andreas_> ZzeCoOl: i get this really agrevating thingy, just wait a sec and i post it ;)
[01:37] <andreas_> yes
[01:37] <poningru> yes
[01:37] <andreas_> iam running dchroot
[01:37] <poningru> not really
[01:37] <ZzeCoOl> JoePenguin: "vi" "nano"
[01:37] <ZzeCoOl> nano is better
[01:37] <JoePenguin> ZzeCoOl: I know
[01:37] <ZzeCoOl> vi more complicated
[01:37] <superkitty> where would i open nautilus?
[01:37] <poningru> well kinda
[01:37] <ZzeCoOl> JoePenguin: then what are u asking?
[01:38] <JoePenguin> ZzeCoOl: I was asking poningru, not #ubuntu
[01:38] <JoePenguin> poningru: ok good. when your system boots and you hear the drums, press Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to a login prompt, then edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:39] <ZzeCoOl> im confused....prabably this waz a joke between u 2 but u can tell any joke u want prive ...nevermind
[01:39] <JoePenguin> poningru: You're looking for where it shows which driver it is using for your graphics card. Probably "ati" or something like that
[01:39] <andreas_> damn... no the dchroot is fucked up to
[01:39] <JoePenguin> ZzeCoOl: I needed to know if poningru knew how to use a text editor.
[01:39] <ZzeCoOl> JoePenguin: nahhhh im mistake
[01:39] <ZzeCoOl> sorry
[01:40] <andreas_> i cant go into my win disk
[01:40] <ZzeCoOl> sori wa mistaken
[01:40] <linuxjones> superkitty, click  Places>>home
[01:40] <ZzeCoOl> stupid filthy keyboard
[01:40] <JoePenguin> poningru: My suggestion is to change the driver to "vesa"
[01:40] <linuxjones> superkitty, navigate from there
[01:40] <andreas_> even if my dchroot /etc/fstab is looks good
[01:40] <JoePenguin> poningru: It's a generic driver that has a high chance of working
[01:40] <ZzeCoOl> poningru: do you have an ATi driver problem?
[01:41] <JoePenguin> ZzeCoOl: his screen comes up blank when his system boots, though he can hear some drums as it boots into Gnome
[01:41] <ZzeCoOl> hmmm
[01:41] <poningru> ok let me go try it
[01:42] <ZzeCoOl> does it shows that an X server allready running in display :0 or something?
[01:42] <JoePenguin> ZzeCoOl: He had to use a special option when he booted from his Live CD
[01:42] <ZzeCoOl> ohhh it is about live cd?
[01:42] <JoePenguin> no, it is installed now
[01:42] <ZzeCoOl> i dont know a shit about it
[01:42] <ZzeCoOl> aha
[01:42] <JoePenguin> The point is, whatever graphics driver Ubuntu thinks it should use for his card is not working.
[01:43] <sladen> does he know what the driver that might work is?
[01:43] <JoePenguin> sladen: I suggested using the vesa driver
[01:43] <poningru> thnx guys will try it and report back in 10 mins
[01:44] <superkitty> how do i use nautilus to burn an ISO?
[01:44] <JoePenguin> superkitty: I have no idea.
[01:44] <andreas_> ZzeCoOl: about that cedega
[01:44] <JoePenguin> dammit, i forgot my login to ubuntulinux.org and the "forgot password" thing isn't working.
[01:44] <andreas_> does it work in 64 bit?
[01:44] <Gwildor> hello
[01:45] <Gwildor> anyone know the exact size of a default warty install?
[01:45] <andreas_> hello
[01:45] <JoePenguin> Gwildor: I don't know.
[01:45] <andreas_> sorry
[01:45] <Gwildor> well, is 4 gigs enuff......
[01:45] <Gwildor> thats total HDD size
[01:45] <andreas_> yeah
[01:45] <JoePenguin> Gwildor: I'd bet money on it
[01:45] <Gwildor> kk, thnx :)
[01:45] <superkitty> Gwil i can check for you
[01:45] <Gwildor> superkitty: please do :)
[01:46] <superkitty> a tad over two gig... but i dont have a default install
[01:46] <andreas_> do yuall use gnome?
[01:46] <lerio> hi! question: when i upgrade to hoary, shall i enable only the hoary-related repositories and deselect all the warty ones?
[01:47] <Gwildor> superkitty: thnx, that is good enuff, i plan to remove stuff too......gnome for one
[01:47] <andreas_> ush... white chokolate with water
[01:47] <ciber> ohh that didn't worked andreas_
[01:47] <superkitty> Gwil i have KDE and Gnome
[01:47] <ciber> :''(
[01:47] <Gwildor> superkitty: so its prob like 1.5 gig or near
[01:47] <andreas_> superkitty: how can i add kde in 64bit?
[01:48] <andreas_> ciber: hm...
[01:48] <ciber> andreas_ I invite u please :( #flood
[01:48] <superkitty> andreas, not sure actually
[01:48] <andreas_> just try 0.5 ;)
[01:48] <linuxjones> superkitty, to burn a .iso file in Nautilus just reight click the .iso file and select burn
[01:48] <superkitty> i can tell you how i did it with my 386 though
[01:48] <ciber> andreas_ is for show you my fdisk :(
[01:48] <andreas_> i havent found any 64 bit packackes anywhere...but mandrake ships with
[01:48] <Riddell> andreas_: same as for 32 bit
[01:49] <andreas_> Riddell: so i can just install 32 bit?
[01:49] <andreas_> ciber: say again?
[01:49] <Riddell> andreas_: there should be 64 bit packages of everything
[01:49] <ciber> #flood is for my fdisk -l andreas_
[01:49] <ciber> :P
[01:49] <lerio> sorry, can somebody help me?
[01:50] <superkitty> andreas change your sources list to allow universe
[01:50] <superkitty> lerio whassup?
[01:50] <lerio> thanks superkitty: when i upgrade to hoary, shall i enable only the hoary-related repositories and deselect all the warty ones?
[01:50] <andreas_> superkitty: hm, you mean apt-get sources
[01:51] <superkitty> andreas yep
[01:51] <Gwildor> lerio: you *change* the waarty ones TO hoary.....just replace the word "warty" with "hoary"
[01:51] <andreas_> then i google a bit
[01:51] <superkitty> lerio i would deselect the warty ones,
[01:51] <JoePenguin> lerio: Yes
[01:53] <lerio> thanks guys. are there some "safe" external repositories that work fine with hoary?
[01:54] <astroraptor> how can I add a command to run at boot up?
[01:54] <superkitty> lerio i would stick with the default ones unless you need something that isnt available
[01:54] <andreas_> what happend to ciber
[01:54] <andreas_> he thought i was angry with him
[01:55] <superkitty> astroraptor you add the command to the .bashrc file
[01:55] <lerio> superkitty: ok, thanks!
[01:56] <astroraptor> thank you
[01:56] <astroraptor> where is this file located?
[01:56] <andreas_> damn... who is actually using ubuntu
[01:56] <astroraptor> me
[01:56] <andreas_> am i the only one from norway?
[01:56] <astroraptor> :P
[01:56] <hidro> Does anyone know how to fix the bug with the warty-amd64 version that prevent X from starting on a machine with the ATI Radeon Mobility 9700?
[01:57] <superkitty> astroraptor i honestly dont know in Ubuntu
[01:57] <andreas_> hidro: not to be any kind of unkind... but google works ;)
[01:57] <astroraptor> hmm
[01:57] <astroraptor> alright
[01:57] <hidro> Ok, thanks, Adrea. I'll try that first.
[01:58] <superkitty> astroraptor what command do you want to run at startup?
[01:58] <Xenguy> astroraptor: what is the specific command you want to run on boot-up?
[02:00] <astroraptor> mounting a smb Windows client
[02:02] <Rasta> hi, i get one of the cds that ships ubuntu
[02:03] <HaRDaWaY> hi people
[02:03] <Rasta> right now im with the Live CD, once installed its faster_
[02:03] <Rasta> ?
[02:05] <andreas_> damn baby...was it that easy
[02:05] <andreas_> fuck... why didnt i just add that universe source at one
[02:06] <andreas_> what is the command for wich kernel i use?
[02:06] <Ward> uname -a
[02:11] <mindphasr> mono still broken?
[02:18] <superkitty> anybody try Beatrix?
[02:22] <Gwildor> i have :)
[02:22] <Gwildor> superkitty:
[02:22] <superkitty> Gwildor, did you like it?
[02:22] <Gwildor> yeah, its nice :)
[02:23] <Gwildor> nice little live cd.....
[02:23] <superkitty> i thought so too
[02:23] <superkitty> has most of the importand programs
[02:23] <Gwildor> there is #beatrix....though no longer official, #beatrix owner and beatrix DEV got into a fight
[02:24] <superkitty> well i hope that doesnt stop the mini distro
[02:28] <regeya> where the devil does the gnome networkign tool store the wvdial config...when my machien starts up, it fires up a connection, connects at 9600 baud.
[02:29] <regeya> it's not /etc/wvdial.conf, because when I kill the connection via poff then bring it back up via pon, my hand-configured /etc/wvdial.conf seems to get wvdial to do the right thing
[02:29] <regeya> but at startup, 9600 baud.
[02:30] <regeya> 9600 has been unacceptable since, well, when did 9600 baud become commonplace? ;-)
[02:31] <regeya> what seems odd is that all I had to do to build an acceptable config was to do a minor edit of what 'wvdialconf' generates.
[02:33] <thursday> does anyone running firefox-1.0 have the directory ~/.fullcircle/MozillaOrgFireFox10LinuxIntel.......
[02:38] <regeya> seriously, I can find no wvdial ocnfig other than /etc/wvdial.conf.
[02:39] <arakno> i preffer using pppconfig + modem lights applet
[02:40] <regeya> that's nice arakno!  I like pie.
[02:42] <regeya> I decided to do things the ubuntu way because I fired up the network config tool to configure an ethernet card instead of doing it by hand, and the network config tool clobbered my ppp settings.
[02:42] <Cube-ness> anybody know if theres a working driver for hermes II wifi cards?
[02:42] <arakno> i tried using that too, it acted weird
[02:42] <regeya> also I got lazy and tried using firestarter, and firestarter tried to tell me that ppp0 wasn't configured.
[02:43] <arakno> I think it needs the connection to be active, that sucks
[02:43] <regeya> that's just the point.  the connection WAS active.
[02:44] <arakno> that didn't seem to happen here, are you using wvdial?
[02:45] <regeya> arakno: I AM NOW, since Firestarter didn't seem to like it that I had configured /etc/networking/interfaces myself, and since the gnome netowkring tool just went and clobbered my old /etc/networking/interfaces file anyway when I decided 'hey, why don't I see how well this doohickey will work for configuring eth0'
[02:46] <regeya> dial-on-demand and firing it up on startup is simple, and I had done it the recommended debian way.  I guess the debian way isn't good enough. ;-)
[02:47] <arakno> damn, I wish I could dial on demand in Brazil :P
[02:48] <regeya> why can't you?  Just curious...
[02:48] <arakno> it's expensive
[02:48] <regeya> ah.
[02:49] <arakno> it's ok only on weekends and from 00:00 to 6:00
[02:49] <regeya> and I complain because I'm still doing dialup.  I shouldn't because, hey, I get a flat fee per local call
[02:50] <andreas_> does ubuntu have a prog that monitors cpu temp=
[02:50] <andreas_> ?
[02:50] <arakno> I'm not sure if there's any installed by default, I don't think so
[02:51] <arakno> regeya: why don't you get broadband?
[02:52] <andreas_> and i complain of low dsl rate :(
[02:52] <regeya> arakno: no affordable plan where I live.  I don't live in a town, and just about my only options are either satellite or similarly-priced plans.
[02:52] <regeya> heh
[02:52] <arakno> I'm waiting for a dsl to be installed here, I just hope my phone line doesn't have any problems
[02:53] <regeya> u.s. companies are in no hurry to make the whole country broadband-capable, and when they do, they won't be in a hurry to make it ultra-cheap.
[02:53] <regeya> hell, I've seen a couple of local dialup ISPs that are raising their dialup rates.
[02:54] <andreas_> ive had dsl for three years
[02:54] <zenrox> 35 bucks for adsl 768kdown/128kup
[02:54] <arakno> in Brazil there are a few good free isps
[02:54] <zenrox> fiber 1mb up/down 29 bucks
[02:54] <arakno> at least about that I can't complain
[02:54] <andreas_> its now really cheap, and really fast... but i signe the wrong deal
[02:54] <andreas_> 5 year contract :(
[02:54] <zenrox> opps
[02:54] <zenrox> lol
[02:54] <regeya> I've heard rumors that verizon will upgrade the local lines Real Soon Now.
[02:54] <arakno> eheh, I will be getting 256/128 for about 33 dollars
[02:55] <andreas_> regeya: dont count on it.... :P
[02:55] <andreas_> even the t1,2,3 sucks
[02:55] <poningru> hey guys, do you know an easy method to editing xf86config
[02:55] <arakno> and that's expensive considering the dollar ratio
[02:55] <zenrox> regeya,  hopfully sooner
[02:55] <poningru> a gui method?
[02:55] <andreas_> sure
[02:55] <regeya> there's a DSL provider down the road from me but they can't provide service to me.
[02:55] <andreas_> xf86cfg
[02:55] <zenrox> poningru,  gedit /etc/X11/xf86config
[02:56] <zenrox> poningru,  sudo gedit /etc/X11/xf86config
[02:56] <regeya> I work 15 miles away and they can provide service there, though.
[02:56] <poningru> ok thank you
[02:56] <andreas_> regeya:  wich state do you live in?
[02:56] <regeya> Illinois.
[02:56] <regeya> and you're in, you're in norway, eh?
[02:56] <daniels> Riddell: not really, I'm afraid
[02:57] <IBOIC> time to put ubuntu to rest
[02:57] <IBOIC> i tried livecd alpha
[02:57] <IBOIC> i pressed f1 and f2
[02:57] <regeya> I'm in the southernmost part of Illinois, which is a long way from chicago in many ways.
[02:57] <IBOIC> but it still asks for login
[02:57] <andreas_> regeya: yes
[02:57] <regeya> must we all put ubuntu to rest?
[02:57] <andreas_> but i lived in texas
[02:57] <IBOIC> what is login name and password for ubuntu livecd?
[02:57] <cswanson> hey all, I'm having a problem with xmms in ubuntu, when I go to start it I get "libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object". Has anyone seen this before?
[02:57] <IBOIC> i mean hoary alpha
[02:57] <merhojt__> how do i enable ntp server??
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> IRCsloth: yeah it's broken
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> IRCsloth: install mikmod
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> and it'll work
[02:58] <andreas_> well...everybody
[02:58] <IRCsloth> ok, thanks
[02:58] <andreas_> good naight
[02:58] <Riddell> daniels: oh well, no problem someone was asking is all
[02:58] <regeya> good night?
[02:58] <IRCsloth> so that's just an apt-dependency that's not met?
[02:58] <regeya> what time is it for you, andreas_?
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> IRCsloth: no, it's a libc bug
[02:58] <IRCsloth> ah, ok
[02:59] <IRCsloth> that was easy :-)
[02:59] <HrdwrBoB> yes :)
[02:59] <andreas_> regeya: 3 am
[02:59] <IRCsloth> trying ubuntu for the first time today at the reccomendation of a friend, it's quite nice
[02:59] <andreas_> way to late.... ;)
[03:00] <regeya> andreas_: go to bed! :-)
[03:00] <mdz> regeya: on the alpha live CD, you need to login as 'root'
[03:00] <IRCsloth> it's the first distro I've used that worked on my little averatec laptop with next to no tweaking, very nice!
[03:00] <arakno> hey is anyone here using the ooqstart applet from universe?
[03:01] <mdz> regeya: as I wrote in the announcement email
[03:01] <arakno> it works fine here but always crash when i logout
[03:01] <regeya> mdz:
[03:02] <regeya> mdz: thanks, if I ever give the livecd a try, I'll keep that in mind.
[03:02] <IBOIC> mdz:  that was me
[03:02] <IRCsloth> HrdwrBoB: thanks, installed that package and it works now. :-)
[03:02] <IBOIC> mdz:  root and what password?
[03:02] <IBOIC> mdz:  Thanks btw
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> IRCsloth: excellent :)
[03:02] <mdz> regeya: ah, sorry
[03:02] <mdz> meant that for IBOIC
[03:03] <IBOIC> mdz:  What should i put for password?
[03:03] <mdz> IBOIC: no password; you will not be prompted
[03:03] <IBOIC> ok
[03:03] <regeya> :-D
[03:03] <IBOIC> alt f1, alt f2 then root
[03:03] <IBOIC> got it :)
[03:03] <IBOIC> needed to do the alt f1 trick :)
[03:03] <mdz> that is no longer necessary with current builds
[03:03] <IBOIC> mdz oh
[03:04] <IBOIC> so which is the new build :)
[03:05] <mdz> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[03:05] <mdz> (see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCD)
[03:05] <IBOIC> mdz which one u recommend as being the most stable of em all?
[03:06] <IBOIC> mdz:  the one of aily-live/20050109.2?
[03:06] <mdz> IBOIC: stable?  none of them; if you want that, use the warty live CD :-)
[03:06] <IBOIC> no no
[03:06] <arakno> ubuntu is already seven in distrowatch :)
[03:06] <IBOIC> i mean i want to test it
[03:06] <IBOIC> the alpha
[03:06] <Crane> hello
[03:06] <mdz> IBOIC: the current one, then
[03:06] <IBOIC> mdz:  Ok that is .2 right?
[03:07] <mdz> IBOIC: there should be a 'current' symlink
[03:07] <mdz> yeah, at the bottom
[03:07] <IBOIC> ok got it thanks :)
[03:07] <IBOIC> replacing the alpha with the daily
[03:07] <IBOIC> gonna wipe my cdrw
[03:07] <Crane> is there a way of running trace route frome terminal?
[03:07] <Crane> what is the command?
[03:07] <mdz> tracepath
[03:08] <mdz> or traceroute
[03:08] <Cube-ness> grr.. disconnected.. I asked about hermes II pcmcia wifi cards in ubuntu.. anybody know anything? doesnt work 'out of the box'
[03:08] <Crane> mdz, Thanks, why tracepath and not traceroute?
[03:08] <Crane> traceroute is not a command on ibuntu
[03:08] <Crane> ubuntu
[03:08] <mdz> Crane: because if I can only retrain the world to use tracepath rather than traceroute, we can remove traceroute (and therefore one more setuid root binary) from the system ;-)
[03:09] <mdz> Crane: security
[03:09] <Crane> mdz, lol oh ok
[03:09] <Crane> just wondering
[03:09] <mdz> I thought we had both in base, but I suppose not
[03:09] <mdz> all the better ;-)
[03:10] <Crane> :)
[03:10] <Crane> Well I did a full install of hoary from nightly Cd last night
[03:10] <Crane> sheesh
[03:11] <IBOIC> when i meant put ubuntu to rest FYI i meant the livecd alpha :)
[03:11] <IBOIC> which mdz said was fixed :)
[03:11] <IBOIC> thanks again
[03:12] <Crane> does the Hoary live CD work well?
[03:13] <IRCsloth> Where is the setting to disable the spacial settings in gnome again? It's annoying to have a new window opened every time I use the graphical filebrowser
[03:13] <stuNNed> mdz, due to hsf linuxant modem drivers not working with warty kernel, think there will be a fix? or unsupported?
[03:14] <Crane> IRCsloth, computer>desktop preferances>file Managment
[03:14] <IRCsloth> thanks
[03:14] <Crane> IRCsloth, then behavior tab
[03:15] <arakno> damn, this xchat server list always tricks me
[03:15] <Crane> oh hello all how goes it
[03:15] <Crane> :)
[03:15] <JoRock> how does ubuntu handle SATA drives?
[03:16] <paulproteus> JoRock: As SCSI disks.
[03:16] <paulproteus> ("Usually.")
[03:16] <paulproteus> But automatically.
[03:18] <JoRock> like will it be able to set up a boot loader on a sata without killing windows?
[03:20] <IRCsloth> thanks again for the help guys, I'm outta here
[03:23] <IBOIC> okie
[03:26] <poningru> w00t
[03:26] <poningru> this worked
[03:26] <poningru> thank you joepenguin if you are still aroun
[03:26] <poningru> around
[03:27] <poningru> and the others who helped
[03:31] <Mabus> is it possible to run Xorg with the fglrx driver ?
[03:31] <HrdwrBoB> no
[03:31] <Mabus> I have installed the restricted-modules package, but it just gives me "Failed to load module fglrx" when I try to start x
[03:32] <Mabus> right
[03:33] <Mabus> I dont really need 3d support, I just want TV out.
[03:33] <Mabus> someone told me it should work with 2d - but I could be dreaming.
[03:35] <Riddell> robertj: try asking ubuntulog
[03:35] <grepper> is x-window-system-core the right X metapackage in hoary ?
[03:35] <jintonic> what's a good, free game for linux other than tuxracer?
[03:36] <robertj> grepper: trying to avoid the destkop base pkg?
[03:36] <robertj> jintonic: wesnoth
[03:36] <daniels> grepper: x-window-system
[03:36] <jintonic> i don't like turn-based games
[03:37] <grepper> well, x-window-system is just core plus xdm, xterm and a few others I think
[03:37] <grepper> just wondering cause my X is borked with a radeon 7500  that should work fine
[03:37] <mako> robertj: :)
[03:38] <mako> robertj: thanks for that :)
[03:38] <robertj> hehe
[03:42] <IBOIC> hmmm
[03:42] <jintonic> how could i get command line to run at a higher resolution?
[03:42] <grepper> is only xorg available in hoary ?  Perhaps I could try xfree and see if it solves the problem
[03:42] <IBOIC> x doesnt start from alpha hoary ehh?
[03:42] <IBOIC> how do i setup xfree in livecd?
[03:43] <IBOIC> errr x.org since its hoary rather
[03:43] <robertj> any motion users here (the free webcam software, not the very expensive animation software)
[03:49] <magnon> has anyone used samba on ubuntu a lot?
[03:49] <randabis-laptop> I use it
[03:49] <magnon> with windows?
[03:49] <randabis-laptop> yes
[03:50] <magnon> I'm having a lot of trouble with it now - linux boxes authenticate to it with smbclient, but nautilus nor windows works
[03:50] <magnon> have you had any problems like that?
[03:50] <randabis-laptop> yes, I don't know why it happens
[03:50] <trey3> magnon: users have accounts (set up using smbpasswd)?
[03:50] <magnon> trey3: yes, they authenticate fine using smbclient
[03:51] <magnon> but it doesn't get discovered by Windows or Nautilus as a server anyway
[03:51] <trey3> magnon: user or share security?
[03:51] <magnon> user
[03:52] <magnon> I could use share if I needed to though
[03:52] <Faustus> hey
[03:52] <trey3> nmbd is started?
[03:52] <magnon> yes
[03:52] <trey3> magnon: it won't complain that way... workgroup  :/
[03:52] <magnon> workgroup is WORKGROUP
[03:53] <trey3> magnon: no... workgroup is share...
[03:53] <randabis-laptop> lately I can't even browse the windows network
[03:53] <magnon> hmm?
[03:53] <randabis-laptop> don't know why
[03:53] <magnon> trey3: what did you mean?
[03:53] <Faustus> I'm trying to eject a data CD, "eject", "eject /dev/cdrom", "eject /dev/hdb" as user or with sudo do not eject the cdrom.  Anyone run into this?
[03:54] <Faustus> eject from right click doesn't work either
[03:54] <randabis-laptop> it's not a big deal because I use nfs to communicate between my laptop and my main box, but my printer is connected to my sister's box which is a windows machine
[03:54] <trey3> magnon: security type dictates whether its a workgroup or domain etc... a domain can be called "WORKGROUP" if you wanted  :/
[03:54] <magnon> oh
[03:54] <Faustus> music data cds eject fine
[03:54] <magnon> so, I should do... what?
[03:55] <randabis-laptop> Faustus, probably has to be unmounted before it will eject
[03:55] <randabis-laptop> eject should unmount it though so that's weird
[03:55] <Faustus> yes I tried that too
[03:55] <magnon> not always if it's busy
[03:55] <magnon> Faustus: you might have to kill HAL, I've experienced that
[03:55] <magnon> hal or gnome-volume-manager
[03:55] <trey3> magnon: if both windows boxen and linux boxen are set to domain, and nmbd is set up... should work... also try winbind though (AD auth)
[03:55] <Faustus> sudo umount -f pathway  says it is busy even though I have no apps accessing it
[03:56] <magnon> trey3: ok, I'm a bit illiterate at this though - the windows box isn't set up as anything really
[03:56] <randabis-laptop> can windows boxes use nfs?
[03:56] <LinuxNIT> can you get drivers for lexmark x63 printer in ubuntu?
[03:56] <trey3> Faustus: you're sure you're not in the dir? lsof the device..
[03:57] <trey3> magnon: set up share level security... much easier... likely don't need a server situation  :)
[03:57] <trey3> (likely what Windows boxes are set up for anyways...)
[03:58] <magnon> ok, thanks
[03:58] <magnon> I should read a bit
[03:58] <magnon> on this
[04:01] <mdz> stuNNed: I don't know much about the linuxant drivers
[04:01] <Prower> I find it interesting that after upgrading to a P4 2.8GHz, I've been playing nothing but old C64 games for about a month
[04:02] <trey3> Prower: hah... so money well spent :)
[04:02] <magnon> mdz: yeck, other that they cost money and things like that
[04:02] <Prower> trey3: I suppose it's probably less than what a real one on eBay would have cost :>
[04:03] <trey3> Prower: :)
[04:03] <mdz> magnon, stuNNed: in that case, it's unlikely that we'll be able to do much to make them work better
[04:06] <trey3> than*
[04:06] <jintonic> castle of the winds
[04:06] <trey3> jintonic: not in hoary?
[04:06] <jintonic> in wine
[04:06] <drspin> what do I install for Sound Juicer to use mp3?
[04:07] <jintonic> there's a wiki on it
[04:07] <trey3> drspin: gstreamer0.8-mad or gstreamer0.8-lame (decode and encode respectively)
[04:08] <trey3> uhh... so *-lame would be useful for SJ...
[04:08] <bassinboy> whats a good cd burner frontend for gnome ?
[04:09] <jintonic> ubuntu.com solves tons of problems
[04:09] <trey3> bassinboy: coaster or gnome baker
[04:10] <trey3> bassinboy: (gnome baker looks nice...  http://biddell.co.uk/gnomebaker.php)
[04:10] <trey3> coaster = very simple... gnome baker = kinda like k3b
[04:11] <jintonic> how do add the option vga=791 to grub?
[04:11] <poningru> simple
[04:11] <mdz> jintonic: add it to the 'kopt' line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:11] <trey3> jintonic: either press escape when prompted, or (what mdz said)
[04:11] <trey3> doh, beat again  :(
[04:11] <mdz> ...and run update-grub
[04:12] <drspin> what cd ripping front ends do you all use?
[04:12] <poningru> question: my laptop fan keeps on running is it because of 'nolacip'
[04:12] <bassinboy> grip
[04:12] <poningru> ?
[04:13] <jintonic> but just in case vga791 makes funny colors on my screen or something, if i set vga=791 in the kopt then am i screwed?
[04:13] <trey3> drspin: grip and sound juicer are nice... sj is gstreamer though, so will get more attention...
[04:13] <drspin> gstreamer won't encode to mp3
[04:13] <jintonic> until i change it by using the ubuntu disk to recovery or something like that, i mean
[04:13] <drspin> even with ALL gstreamer plugins installed
[04:13] <drspin>  :/
[04:13] <jintonic> yup
[04:13] <trey3> jintonic: kinda... hence what I said about hitting esc during boot...
[04:14] <SiLeNt_SiM> hey
[04:14] <trey3> drspin: works here with cdparanoia and lame gstreamer plugins? file a bug if its not working there...
[04:14] <drspin> does sj write ID3 V2 tags?
[04:14] <SiLeNt_SiM> i have a question about the free pressed cd's..what is the highest # of cd's have you ordered?
[04:15] <trey3> SiLeNt_SiM: nuOpus ordered something like 60-ish for academic purposes...
[04:16] <SiLeNt_SiM> Are they still free?
[04:16] <trey3> SiLeNt_SiM: yes...
[04:16] <SiLeNt_SiM> no matter how many you order? Because i was just wonder as i wanted to order a lot, maybe around 60ish or 100 range to give to customers
[04:17] <trey3> SiLeNt_SiM: I don't think they would have issues with that...
[04:18] <trey3> SiLeNt_SiM: they are free so we put them in the hands of friends etc... so long as they are going to good use, they will be happy  :)
[04:18] <SiLeNt_SiM> OK Thanks a lot :)
[04:18] <SiLeNt_SiM> by the way, do they just call you and ask you? or they need any papers, etc?
[04:18] <trey3> SiLeNt_SiM: with that kind of volume... they even give you a holder for them  :P
[04:19] <SiLeNt_SiM> Lol Great1
[04:20] <SiLeNt_SiM> How come there are no operator's in here?
[04:20] <daniels> SiLeNt_SiM: there are, but no-one is using +o at the moment because there is no need to
[04:20] <SiLeNt_SiM> Also, i think Ubuntu needs a logo change to replace those three people in a circle :p
[04:20] <SiLeNt_SiM> OK
[04:20] <trey3> SiLeNt_SiM: freenode keeps tabs of such things via channelserv... keeps everyone on an even status etc...
[04:20] <poningru> so sim start flooding
[04:21] <SiLeNt_SiM> lol
[04:21] <poningru> you will soon have your wish
[04:21] <SiLeNt_SiM> How
[04:21] <trey3> SiLeNt_SiM: ops usually get slammed with help questions etc... most ops here are devels, they have better things to do  :P
[04:21] <calamari> hi
[04:22] <SiLeNt_SiM> ;p;
[04:22] <trey3> calamari: hey  :)
[04:22] <calamari> hi trey3
[04:22] <SiLeNt_SiM> Not to mention getting flooded with private messages.
[04:22] <calamari> I have a mpu-401 midi board on my sound card.. anyone know how to get midi going?
[04:24] <calamari> hmm I think I found something.. nm :)
[04:25] <trey3> calamari: hah... yay  :)
[04:27] <Crane> is there a way to do a minimal install of Ubuntu?
[04:27] <trey3> Someone really should fix the problem with small task bar items in hoary  :(
[04:27] <trey3> Crane: yes... 'custom' at the installer prompt...
[04:28] <trey3> Crane: or if you really like headaches... 'expert'  :P
[04:28] <Crane> trey3, Cool thanks
[04:28] <trey3> Crane: yw  :)
[04:28] <calamari> how minimal is minimal.. do you still get gnome?
[04:28] <Crane> heh I had enough "expert" last night with hoary
[04:29] <trey3> calamari: if you select it, you get gnome...
[04:29] <trey3> Crane: hah... hoary is being very friendly to me right now  :)
[04:29] <calamari> oic
[04:30] <Crane> trey3,  me too...now, but it didn't want to install from cd
[04:30] <Dekkard|away> trey3: how was the last hoary upgrade?
[04:30] <Crane> last night'
[04:30] <trey3> Crane: ahh... I haven't tried that method... only via dist-upgrades...
[04:31] <trey3> Dekkard|away: I use the servers to upgrade... haven't gotten any hoary CD's yet...
[04:31] <Dekkard> exactly.
[04:31] <Dekkard> as do we all
[04:31] <trey3> Dekkard: so far, only issues were easy enough to fix...
[04:31] <Dekkard> they just make me nervous
[04:31] <Crane> trey3, stick with dist-upgrade, cd didn't install xorg, any type of desktop either
[04:31] <trey3> (things like flac etc)
[04:31] <trey3> Crane: just apt-get install xserver-xorg after install...
[04:32] <trey3> Crane: didn't get pulled in automatically here either..
[04:32] <Crane> trey3, thats what I ended up doing. using apt for xserver, gnome, and fluxbox
[04:33] <trey3> Although I am yet to figure out why... because x-window-system-core depends xserver-xorg explicitly  :/
[04:33] <mlambie> is the Window Manager considered to be part of the Operating System?
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> trey3: .. yes
[04:33] <trey3> mlambie: umm.. no..
[04:33] <Dekkard> wow.. only 275 packages to upgrade...
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> mlambie: that depends on your definitions
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> mlambie: make them up yourself if you like
[04:33] <trey3> HrdwrBoB: yes what?
[04:34] <HrdwrBoB> trey3: what is the problem with x-window-system-core depending on xserver-xorg
[04:34] <Crane> mlambie, no, I have a server running with no x or windows manager but it still has Operating system
[04:34] <trey3> HrdwrBoB: other than it not actually pulling in xserver-xorg during dist-upgrades... nothing afaik
[04:34] <trey3> HrdwrBoB: hence my confusion though... it _should_ but doesn't  :/
[04:35] <daniels> trey3: don't uninstall ubuntu-desktop if you want reliable dist-upgrades
[04:35] <daniels> Crane: um, if you run with 'expert', you don't get that sort of thing installed by default
[04:35] <trey3> daniels: I haven't ... and certainly didn't remove x-window-system-core... issue is fixed, but was weird...
[04:36] <Crane> daniels, I did a normal install from cd
[04:36] <daniels> Crane: which CD, hoary or warty?
[04:36] <Crane> daniels, I wonder if for some reason it went to expert mode
[04:36] <trey3> Crane: depending on your definition... Operating System is usually kernel or kernel and libc etc...
[04:37] <daniels> it'd be a stretch to call the WM part of the OS
[04:37] <Crane> daniels, hoary nightly iso
[04:37] <Crane> trey3, I agree
[04:37] <trey3> ahh... that was for mlambie, but he's long gone  :/
[04:37] <calamari> wow it's working :)
[04:38] <Crane> :)
[04:38] <calamari> if I had to modprobe something, will it be gone when I reboot, or will the system remember?
[04:38] <jintonic> can i see whats going on in another login session? like pts/1 when i'm on pts/0
[04:39] <trey3> calamari: depends whether you put it in /etc/modules before rebooting  :P
[04:39] <calamari> lol, thanks :)
[04:39] <drspin> could someone help me diagnose my cdrom problem??
[04:39] <trey3> drspin: we could try... what are symtoms?  :)
[04:41] <trey3> whoa... political rap song *g* ... Cunninlynguists - Dying Nation
[04:41] <Seq> drspin: its not plugged in properly
[04:41] <Seq> ahh, he left
[04:42] <Crane> hey speaking of CDrom problems
[04:43] <Crane> I can't eject mine
[04:43] <Crane> :(
[04:43] <Seq> Crane: is it mounted?
[04:43] <Crane> yep says its in use
[04:44] <Crane> device is busy
[04:44] <Seq> Crane: do you have anything accessing anything on it?
[04:44] <trey3> Crane: get out of the dir (and close windows pertaining to it) and umount it...
[04:44] <drspin> sorru bout that --
[04:45] <trey3> Seq drspin: its not plugged in properly
[04:45] <trey3> Seq ahh, he left
[04:45] <Seq> :p
[04:45] <Crane> not in  the directory trying to umount from terminal
[04:45] <drspin> I'm not sure what the problem is -- my cd drives are screwy... I only have 1 /dev/cdrom and I should have two
[04:45] <Crane> nothing is accessing it as far as I can tell
[04:46] <trey3> drspin: you're sure its not /dev/hdc (and perhaps /dev/hdd) ?
[04:46] <drspin> yes those work -
[04:46] <Seq> Crane: lsof | grep /mnt/cdrom
[04:46] <Seq> or /media/cdrecorder i guess it is, or whatever your system mounts to
[04:46] <trey3> drspin: since 2.6, cdroms are no longer listed differently to harddrives... hd* defines ide cable location
[04:47] <Crane> Seq, nothing
[04:47] <geppy> How can I get the kernel-source for the ubuntu build of 2.6.8.1-3-386?
[04:47] <drspin> trey: thanks :)
[04:47] <geppy> I'm trying to build something, and it needs the kernel sources.
[04:47] <trey3> Crane: what all is running right now... and are you at a terminal (if you're at a terminal, type 'cd' and try again...
[04:47] <Seq> Crane: open the nautilus 'computer' view, right click, and select 'eject'. maybe nautilus itself is locking the mount point
[04:48] <trey3> geppy: apt-get install linux-source-`uname -r`
[04:48] <drspin> trey3: Now could you tell me why I'm ripping at 1.3x as opposed to 8-13x I'm used to?
[04:48] <drspin> trey3: DMA is enabled
[04:48] <trey3> drspin: because K3B sucks... and you didn't define speed= to cdrecord  ;)
[04:48] <geppy> trey3:  It appears that only kernel-sources for 2.4.x
[04:49] <drspin> trey3: I meant ripping
[04:49] <drspin> ;)
[04:49] <trey3> drspin: ahh... dunno there...
[04:49] <trey3> geppy: kernel-source is debian... linux-source is ubuntu...
[04:49] <Seq> drspin: i only rip at about 2-3x myself
[04:49] <geppy> trey3: Thanks!  =D
[04:50] <Seq> and only 1.something if i'm in power saving mode
[04:50] <Crane> aaahhhhhh
[04:50] <Crane> sorry I was entering command wrong
[04:50] <Crane> it's cdrom0 not cdrom
[04:51] <Crane> seems famd is the culprit
[04:51] <trey3> Crane: no really... 2.6 doesn't use /dev/cdromX anymore..
[04:51] <trey3> ahh @ people who still use famd
[04:52] <Seq> trey3: there is a /media/cdrom0 for mounting, which /media/cdrom is a symlink to
[04:52] <Crane> what is famd
[04:52] <trey3> Seq: thats not device... thats just a dir on the fs... could be /sga/ghahdfga/ahfdsh/ if you wanted... irrelivant
[04:54] <Seq> trey3: thats true, but Crane was trying to umount. he was probably trying to umount with the mountpoint of /media/cdrom instead of /media/cdrom0.
[04:54] <Seq> trey3: nothing to do with /dev
[04:55] <Crane> Seq, neither work, checking on famd
[04:56] <Seq> Crane: try this: /etc/init.d/famd stop
[04:56] <calamari> well.. midi is working.  so easy.  Ubuntu is awesome :)
[04:56] <Seq> it might be fam instead of famd. whichever, just stop it
[04:57] <Crane> Seq, that did it thanks
[04:57] <Seq> Crane: are you using hoary or warty?
[04:57] <Crane> Seq, just wondering.... what did I just stop and should I start it back
[04:58] <Crane> warty
[04:58] <Crane> on this pc
[04:58] <Seq> nautilus, and such in warty use famd to detect changes to the filesystem automatically. new files, folders, modifications, etc.
[04:59] <Seq> so you can stop it from running completely, but you'll lose that functionality. not a big deal, you can always refresh a nautilus window when needed
[04:59] <Seq> you could also have a look at the fam config to tell it to not monitor your removable media. which i can't help you with, because i dont have fam
[05:00] <Crane> Seq,  so it I have it stoped and copy a file to another folder, it just won't show up untill I refresh/reload window?
[05:01] <Crane> Seq,  you don't have it? are you using warty or hoary? And is there an alternative?
[05:01] <Seq> Crane: im using hoary. in hoary, nautilus uses other means to monitor the file system
[05:02] <sensebend> natilus uses gamin I believe in hoary
[05:02] <trey3> Seq: Gamin  ;)
[05:02] <Crane> Cool
[05:02] <Seq> there you go. i hadn't looked into it, i've been too busy getting ready for school
[05:02] <medep> can you install kde on ubuntu?
[05:03] <sensebend> medep, yes, but it's not supported
[05:03] <Seq> i've got windows in it's nice little vmware session. i'm good for school now :p
[05:03] <medep> what exactly does that mean
[05:04] <Crane> Thanks for all the help!!!
[05:04] <JDahl> medep, you can install KDE it if you like it over gnome... Ubuntu just polishes their gnome packages and setup more
[05:05] <Seq> hey linux_galore
[05:05] <linux_galore> <-- runs KDE
[05:05] <medep> ok well i tried apt-get install kde and it wouldnt do it
[05:05] <trey3> Not using GNOME on Ubuntu just seems weird...
[05:05] <Crane> trey3, yep
[05:06] <sensebend> trey3, I've seen people do it on the forums
[05:06] <trey3> What do such people see as the plus' of Ubuntu over Debian Sid in such situations?
[05:06] <Crane> medep, rty apt-get install kde-desktop
[05:06] <medep> k
[05:06] <sensebend> Crane, will doing that add the option of a KDE session to GDM?
[05:06] <linux_galore> I know my way around kde like a fish in water...5 min and Ive got KDE so wacked out customised you wonder if it is kde at all
[05:06] <trey3> Crane: you mean kde-base
[05:06] <trey3> or just kde
[05:07] <trey3> no such package as kde-desktop though.
[05:07] <Crane> trey3, I was guessing :)
[05:07] <JDahl> linux_galore, kde is too "flashy" for my taste... I like the simplicity of gnome
[05:07] <medep> cant find the package
[05:07] <linux_galore> lol @ gnome being simple
[05:07] <Crane> medep I believe if you us apt or synaoptic it will
[05:07] <trey3> linux_galore: you don't think it is?
[05:07] <linux_galore> no
[05:08] <linux_galore> gnome is just as bloated if not more than kde
[05:08] <trey3> linux_galore: report why to gnome usability list please...
[05:08] <trey3> linux_galore: ha
[05:08] <trey3> linux_galore: I've had that argument so many times... kde always loses... although it does feel fast these days...
[05:09] <linux_galore> dont get me wrong I really tried to like gnome.... one minute its feature mad the next its .eeer how the hell do i turn this off they have removed everything
[05:09] <trey3> linux_galore: had the argument with calc... ex kde maintainer...
[05:09] <medep> http://pastebin.com/227105
[05:09] <Crane> medep, can you use synaptic?
[05:09] <medep> thats what synaptic gave me
[05:10] <trey3> linux_galore: if you can't find the option... its in gconf  :/
[05:10] <linux_galore> yeah I run kde 3.3  3.2 is slow
[05:10] <jdub> guys, leave out the gnome/kde discussion thanks
[05:10] <agwibowo> hello.........
[05:10] <sensebend> medep, have you enabled Universe?
[05:10] <medep> linux-galore how did you install it?
[05:10] <agwibowo> i can't get my radeon working with ubuntu
[05:10] <trey3> medep: #debian-kde for kde help
[05:10] <medep> i dunno how do i check
[05:10] <agwibowo> i followed everything in the wiki page
[05:10] <agwibowo> still no luck
[05:11] <agwibowo> got the error message "screen not found"
[05:11] <linux_galore> trey3: Ive looked at the poor mans version of the windows registry and found it very confusing in gnome nothing like kcontrols to the point simplicity
[05:11] <sensebend> medep, in synaptic go to repositories
[05:11] <trey3> medep: well, help related to debian/ubuntu's kde packages specifically, else #kde
[05:11] <jintonic> i have some weird problems with ubuntu that i think (based on limited linux experience) is a problem with 2.6 kernel support of my motherboard (FIC KT-748)
[05:11] <trey3> linux_galore: jdub just asked to stop such discussion... if you really have to continue that, /msg me...
[05:11] <linux_galore> lol
[05:12] <medep> ok i am in the repositiroies
[05:12] <linux_galore> (has had some real nasty run in with jdub)
[05:12] <jintonic> such as: from booting the ubuntu install cd once install gets to the graphical interface half the time it freezes
[05:12] <sensebend> make sure the universe repository is enabled
[05:12] <Crane> quick question, if fam is a problem can I remove it and install gamin instead? I found it in synaptic
[05:12] <trey3> medep: the ubuntu packages of kde are the same as debian's... please take your issue to #debian-kde!
[05:12] <sensebend> yes Crane
[05:12] <jintonic> and: on ubuntu boot i get an error about a certain hardware address not able to be accessed
[05:13] <daniels> medep: (actually, they aren't, quite)
[05:13] <Crane> sensebend, cool thanks
[05:13] <jdub> trey3: they're not the same packages, please don't send ubuntu users to debian channels
[05:13] <sensebend> what problem is fam creating?
[05:13] <medep> THANKS TREY3 YOUR SO HELPFUL
[05:13] <medep> I AM OUT
[05:13] <sensebend> agreed jdub. debian people have made it clear they don't want to support Ubuntu in their channels
[05:13] <oldlady> Hi, everyone.
[05:14] <jintonic> i've tried different keyboards, different video cards, disconnect the mouse, nothing makes the error go away in boot up
[05:14] <jdub> sensebend: regardless, it's off-topic in those channels
[05:14] <linux_galore> have they got kde 3.3.1 on Ubuntu's servers yet had to use a kde script and download 3.3 from kde direct
[05:14] <sensebend> just as we probably wouldn't want to support sid or sarge in here
[05:14] <jintonic> er, setup i mean
[05:14] <trey3> jdub: #debian-kde is actually nice... I'd never send someone to #debian though...
[05:14] <poningru> hey guys my laptops fan just wont turn off
[05:15] <jintonic> yeah, they hate ubuntu users for some stupid reason
[05:15] <linux_galore> lol
[05:15] <poningru> But I have acpi on though
[05:15] <jdub> guys, ubuntu questions are off-topic in debian channels, there is nothing wrong with that
[05:15] <poningru> err apci
[05:15] <sensebend> indeed
[05:15] <trey3> jintonic: they have a NIH philosophy... even though it technically was  :/
[05:16] <jdub> trey3: no dude, it's very simple -> ubuntu is off-topic there. end of story.
[05:16] <jintonic> its like ford mechanics hating people that drive nissans when they ask how to get their oil changed...
[05:16] <trey3> jdub: who is principally responsible for KDE packages then? because I am not familier with the Ubuntu kde packages really.. and doubt most here are?
[05:16] <jdub> trey3: in hoary, the kubuntu team.
[05:16] <agwibowo> can anyone help me with my Radeon????
[05:16] <linux_galore> yeah #debian have enough hassles trying to explain to people why they have packages so old still on the CD's to put up with ubuntu users (heh heh)
[05:16] <trey3> jdub: do they have a channel?
[05:17] <daniels> trey3: the Kubuntu guys; if you do not know something, please do not talk as if you do, because it can be confusing (as above)
[05:17] <daniels> trey3: #kubuntu
[05:17] <jdub> #kubuntu
[05:17] <agwibowo> can anyone have a look at the error message xfree spits out?
[05:17] <jdub> linux_galore: keep it nice please
[05:17] <daniels> agwibowo: would need to see the entire XFree86.0.log and XF86Config-4
[05:17] <sensebend> linux_galore, debian at least the stable distribution has a different focus than Ubuntu. That wasn't very nice
[05:17] <agwibowo> daniels: can i give it to you?
[05:17] <linux_galore> I know Im poking fun
[05:18] <jdub> linux_galore: it's unnecessary, and easily misunderstood.
[05:18] <linux_galore> I run a few email servers with debian stable
[05:18] <sensebend> many of us use debian here and it could easily start a flamewar
[05:18] <sensebend> one must tread lightly arround such subjects
[05:19] <sensebend> us Free software people tend to get worked up once and a while :)
[05:19] <jintonic> i have a weird error in (get this) ubuntu linux install initialization
[05:19] <oldlady> Could someone help me with my setup, please?
[05:19] <jintonic> just after "trying to enable the frame buffer"
[05:20] <sensebend> sure
[05:20] <daniels> agw	sure
[05:20] <sensebend> just ask your question, asking to ask is unneccessary. We'll try and help if we can
[05:20] <jintonic> it just locks up, pressing up/down/ctrl-alt-del/anything, nothing works
[05:20] <sensebend> :)
[05:20] <sensebend> jintonic, this is a hoary installation right?
[05:20] <jintonic> no
[05:20] <mkerby> Thanks, sensebend.
[05:20] <jintonic> off warty's install cd
[05:21] <mkerby> I'm trying to install warty.
[05:21] <jintonic> but here's the kicker: /sometimes/ it works just fine
[05:21] <sensebend> could be hardware related
[05:21] <mkerby> Everything is fine until I get to "Installing the base system"
[05:21] <daniels> agwibowo: sure
[05:22] <jintonic> yeah, i'm thinking its a problem with 2.6 kernel support of my motherboard, then again someone else said they had the same board and it worked fine
[05:22] <mkerby> It moves right along until it gets to 85 percent.  Then it stays there for a looooong time.
[05:22] <jintonic> if tried all kinds of combos with my hardware and the error does not go away for good
[05:22] <sensebend> mkerby, could it be a problem with the media
[05:22] <sensebend> most installer errors generally come back to a problem in burning
[05:22] <mkerby> Then it says "No installable kernal was found in the defined APT packages".
[05:23] <mkerby> Okay.  So it might work if I burn it again?
[05:23] <Cam> hi guys, after installing KDE via synaptic, gnome has lost half of its default application links
[05:23] <jintonic> and i've never had any problems anything like this before installing other linux distros
[05:23] <Cam> find files goes to the kde find files
[05:23] <Cam> default browser ins konquer
[05:23] <Cam> etc
[05:23] <sensebend> mkerby, perhaps
[05:23] <sensebend> I'd check your media with a md5 checksum
[05:24] <mkerby> I'll do it.
[05:24] <mkerby> Thanks!
[05:24] <sensebend> if you know how to do that
[05:24] <mkerby> I'll let you know how it goes.
[05:24] <sensebend> that would be the first thing to check though
[05:24] <mkerby> I think I do but tell me anyway :)
[05:24] <agwibowo> daniels: i'm sending them to you right now
[05:24] <sensebend> mkerby, what OS would you be verifying from?
[05:24] <daniels> agwibowo: your dcc is broken
[05:25] <agwibowo> oh....
[05:25] <linux_galore> Cam: kde has is own set of app and tools as opposed to gnomes so if you install and run kde you should see kde apps in kde and gnome in gnome....although this can be mixed up
[05:25] <agwibowo> hmmm
[05:25] <agwibowo> daniels: is there any other way i can send it to you?
[05:25] <mkerby> I'm on the other machine which has Windows XP
[05:25] <Cam> yer, im trying to think of how to reverse this process
[05:25] <Cam> without a complete system re-install
[05:26] <sensebend> mkerby, run this on the iso image http://winmd5sum.solidblue.biz/
[05:26] <sensebend> and check to see that it matches that of the file on the site
[05:26] <linux_galore> Cam: logout and select gnome in the login screen as the desktop
[05:26] <Cam> i am in gnome
[05:27] <linux_galore> ok fixed
[05:27] <Cam> linux_galore: gnome has lost all its defaults
[05:27] <linux_galore> Cam: aaah strange ....
[05:27] <Cam> the Find Files points to KDE find files
[05:27] <Cam> Default browser is konq.
[05:27] <Cam> Default email client is kmail
[05:27] <Cam> etc etc
[05:27] <poningru> how do you switch to kde?
[05:28] <poningru> in ubuntu
[05:28] <poningru> do you have to reinstall?
[05:28] <Cam> install KDE via synaptic.
[05:28] <jintonic> daniels: have you heard of ubuntu install crashing just after "trying to enable the frame buffer"
[05:28] <Cam> or apt
[05:29] <linux_galore> Cam: Im sure there is a menu selector in gcc
[05:29] <jintonic> as soon as i get to the "[!!]  Choose language" menu it locks up
[05:29] <daniels> jintonic: can't say I have, sorry
[05:29] <daniels> agwibowo: email?
[05:29] <agwibowo> daniels: what's your email
[05:29] <Cam> ?
[05:29] <jintonic> but sometimes it doesn't... i don't get it... and i've tried all kinds of hardware combos
[05:29] <grepper> is archive.ubuntu.com going through problems atm ?
[05:30] <jintonic> i've come to the thesis that it's probably the motherboard that's somehow causing a problem (either by faulty kernel support or whatever)
[05:31] <daniels> agwibowo: daniel.stone@canonical.com
[05:31] <linux_galore> cam  run gnome-default-applications-properties
[05:32] <linux_galore> wierd but thats its name
[05:32] <Cam> hrmm no worries, i removed kde successfully
[05:32] <Cam> seemed to reverse the problem
[05:32] <Cam> ;)
[05:33] <linux_galore> Cam: that tool selects all the defaults for gnome
[05:33] <mkerby> sensebend, I just did the md5 checksum.  It's fine.
[05:33] <mkerby> I'll try burning the cd again.
[05:33] <linux_galore> Cam: dar say when kde is installed it changes all the defaults
[05:33] <mkerby> I'll be back.  Gotta send kids to bed.
[05:33] <linux_galore> not good
[05:35] <nessmuk> yo! Gwildor....you here?
[05:35] <jintonic> hmm... my video card seems pretty hot, mebbe that's why its failing? :-/
[05:35] <regeya> what defaults does kde change
[05:36] <Printer_Prob> Help! pleaseO:-)
[05:36] <regeya> that's weird, 'coz I've had both gnome and kde installed under debian before, and they don't seem to interfere with each other.  what does ubuntu do differently...
[05:36] <jintonic> heh, duh, ive changed the video card and the error doesnt go away...
[05:36] <agwibowo> daniels: i've sent it to you...
[05:36] <Printer_Prob> I am trying to set up a printer not listed in the printer list
[05:36] <agwibowo> daniels: hopefully my error description is clear enough though....
[05:36] <Printer_Prob> anyone able to help?
[05:36] <grepper> strange, if I do another apt-get update and quickly do the apt-get install foo, it connects ok
[05:38] <Printer_Prob> ...or any good links to set up a printer from the web please
[05:39] <calamari> is there a way to make it so that I can push the button on my cd player to eject a cd?
[05:39] <calamari> err cdrom drive
[05:39] <jintonic> wow... with one of my video cards along with the frozen computer there's also a flickering screen at the choose language screen in setup
[05:40] <Crane> heh
[05:40] <Crane> hello again
[05:40] <Crane> heh
[05:40] <jintonic> could be pure hardware error tho
[05:40] <Crane> I broke it again
[05:40] <jintonic> havent used that card in forever
[05:40] <AndHeSays> hey
[05:41] <AndHeSays> is it possible to do an online upgrade of ubuntu?
[05:42] <JDahl> AndHeSays, yes - change warty to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list and do an apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:42] <AndHeSays> i don't have ubuntu installed yet
[05:43] <AndHeSays> i'm just trying to figure out the reasons to move from redhat/fc to ubuntu
[05:43] <JDahl> AndHeSays, so you mean an upgrade from a different linux distro? I dont think you can
[05:43] <AndHeSays> no
[05:43] <AndHeSays> upgrading between versions
[05:43] <IRCsloth> brb
[05:43] <AndHeSays> in redhat it wasn't possible
[05:43] <poningru> hey guys quick question
[05:44] <AndHeSays> you had to download the full ISO and do an upgrade
[05:44] <poningru> how do I get malayalam ui in gnome
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> AndHeSays: yes it is
[05:44] <grepper> what program/debconf sets LC_ALL and LANG ?  I already did dpkg-reconfigure locales
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> AndHeSays: you can use synaptic or apt-get
[05:44] <poningru> http://l10n-status.gnome.org/gnome-2.8/ml/
[05:44] <jintonic> hmm... on yet another video card the same choose language screen is causing another graphical error.........
[05:44] <AndHeSays> HrdwrBoB: thanks
[05:44] <Printer_Prob> please please how does one install a printer not on the printer list in ubuntu: we're new to linux thanks
[05:44] <AndHeSays> how often are new versions released?
[05:45] <jintonic> 6 months?
[05:45] <poningru> anyone?
[05:45] <ChrisC_> Looking at kernels ... what is the difference between 2.6.8.1-3 and 2.6.8.1-4?  Both are offered under Synaptic in warty ...
[05:45] <poningru> how do you get a new language into gnome?
[05:45] <poningru> err perhaps I should check online first
[05:45] <poningru> http://l10n-status.gnome.org/gnome-2.8/ml/
[05:46] <jintonic> changing my agp aperture made the graphical error different...
[05:46] <AndHeSays> HrdwrBoB: are there updates (not security or critical bug fixes) to packages between releases?
[05:46] <HrdwrBoB> AndHeSays: no
[05:47] <Necrosan> Just installed ubuntu on an ibm thinkpad 770, and am getting no sound.
[05:47] <Necrosan> What should I do?
[05:48] <linux_galore> just got back from the #kde channel... wow met a fist class gentoo user who I wanted to strangle...got help from a more sane user
[05:48] <jintonic> haha
[05:48] <Printer_Prob> n-san: any sounds at all or only mp3
[05:48] <Necrosan> no sounds at all, on boot it's not even seeing the sound card.
[05:49] <Necrosan> I'm guessing it needs to be compiled into the kernel, but I haven't used linux in ages.
[05:49] <sensebend> lol linux_galore
[05:49] <sensebend> there are users like that for any distro, for some reason
[05:49] <Printer_Prob> n-san: us too, sorry... know anything about printers?
[05:49] <linux_galore> his attitude was I dont care what your problem is I use gentoo and you should be using "emerge" Im like ??
[05:50] <jintonic> yeah, the most useful linux gurus are also the most irritating, take bob2 for example ;) but when you spend so much time helping people that aren't doing what you tell them it can start making you pretty grumpy
[05:50] <bob2> I'm irritating?
[05:50] <sensebend> yes bob2, you are
[05:50] <jintonic> only a little rough around the edges
[05:50] <AndHeSays> HrdwrBoB: is there a repository for "non-official" versions (eg. if it shipped with program a version 1.2 and in the meanwhile version 1.3 appeared)?
[05:50] <ChrisC_> Looking at kernels ... what is the difference between 2.6.8.1-3 and 2.6.8.1-4?  Both are offered under Synaptic in warty ...
[05:50] <jintonic> i don't think much of it but others would
[05:51] <sensebend> however you are a valuable member of the community
[05:51] <Necrosan> damn, they should have just built EVERY sound driver as a module. id be happy as all hell if they would have.
[05:51] <HrdwrBoB> AndHeSays: there are some backports available I beleive
[05:51] <jintonic> yes, definately
[05:51] <regeya> hey, just for giggles, who was the l33t kde user?  I'm just curious.
[05:51] <jintonic> i respect the fact that you continue to help
[05:51] <linux_galore> some can*** guy I didnt not his screen name
[05:51] <HrdwrBoB> Necrosan: ubuntu DOES compile all sound drivers as modules
[05:51] <sensebend> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[05:51] <linux_galore> note*
[05:52] <Necrosan> HrdwrBoB: Then how come it isn't seeing the thinkpads sound card? (which is clearly supported?)
[05:52] <sensebend> AndHeSays, there's the URL to the website for the backports
[05:52] <regeya> wonder if it was caleb
[05:52] <linux_galore> wow never go into the #kde channel unless your a fast ignore user
[05:52] <regeya> if so, caleb is a kde && gentoo dev.  I can understand. ;-D
[05:52] <regeya> though I couldn't see caleb going off like that, so I doubt it.  plus I think #kde is intended more fore devs
[05:53] <linux_galore> caleb rings a bell....
[05:53] <linux_galore> Im like yeah Im going to swap to gentoo to please you.....
[05:53] <HrdwrBoB> Necrosan: obviously something didn't work right
[05:53] <HrdwrBoB> if you want it to work
[05:53] <HrdwrBoB> people can help you
[05:53] <regeya> #kde is KDE 3.3.2 is out - http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.3.2.php | Be willing, not whining -- or go away ;
[05:53] <regeya> heh
[05:53] <poof> I am haveing fun with XFce Tahnk you Ubuntu team! this make verry fast desktop :)
[05:54] <HrdwrBoB> but going around assuming that the distriubution is inherently broken isn't going to get anybody anywhere
[05:54] <Necrosan> HrdwrBoB: Got any tips?
[05:54] <linux_galore> just wanted to know if kde has a tool like gargnome to update kde from source files
[05:54] <bob2> chill out, dudes
[05:54] <bob2> linux_galore: yes, they do, which google could have found you: konstruct
[05:54] <HrdwrBoB> Necrosan: can you post the output of lspci and lsmod to pastebin.com
[05:54] <linux_galore> yeah I know now but wtf has use gentoo goto do with "konstruct"
[05:54] <regeya> canoff?
[05:55] <Cam> whats the best web editor for linux? ;)
[05:55] <grepper> hmm, no menu in kde in hoary universe
[05:55] <bob2> linux_galore: I don't understand that sentence
[05:55] <Cam> out of personal experience
[05:55] <HrdwrBoB> Cam: my fiancee uses nvu
[05:55] <Cam> yes, i know, vi is awesome and all
[05:55] <HrdwrBoB> it seems to work
[05:55] <Cam> ok!
[05:55] <regeya> yes
[05:55] <ChrisC_> OK, maybe the 3rd time's the charm:  Looking at kernels ... what is the difference between 2.6.8.1-3 and 2.6.8.1-4?  Both are offered under Synaptic in Ubuntu warty. I googled ...
[05:55] <regeya> linux_galore, I seem to remember that there is one on kde.org
[05:55] <regeya> I don't think konstruct is gentoo-only, but let's have a looksee
[05:55] <linux_galore> bob2: his answer was use Gentoo.....but the correct answer is use "konstruct" the kde channel isnt a gentoo evangelizing channel
[05:55] <HrdwrBoB> ChrisC_: -4 is a later version of the same thing
[05:56] <HrdwrBoB> ChrisC_: maybe a few updates, bugfixes etc
[05:56] <bob2> linux_galore: there are idiot gentoo users everywhere, you just need to tune them out
[05:56] <agwibowo> daniels: have you received my e-mail?
[05:56] <ChrisC_> so the -3 and -4 releases are Ubuntu packages?
[05:56] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[05:56] <ChrisC_> why would they still offer the -3 package?
[05:56] <AndHeSays> HrdwrBoB: are the packages included in a releases relatively new (not the lastest-just-of-beta version, but decently new, as redhat was always lagging behind)?
[05:56] <regeya> kde does work beautifully under gentoo, but I don't think I'd give that as a first option
[05:57] <sensebend> bob2, they are far outnumbered by helpful Gentoo users though
[05:57] <Necrosan> HrdwrBoB: actually that would be kind of hard.
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> AndHeSays: yes
[05:57] <Necrosan> unless i can get this machine online
[05:57] <bob2> sensebend: not ime, but meh
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> why can't you get it onliune
[05:57] <regeya> just look at forums.gentoo.org.
[05:57] <poof> is XFCE 4.2 in hoary?... on that note, is there a list somewhare of all the warty and hoary packages?
[05:57] <regeya> I still get handy tips from there, and I don't have any gentoo machines here anymore.
[05:57] <linux_galore> I like the middle road Ubuntu is taking....I tried gentoo and Im not going to say anything other than "Im not using it again"
[05:58] <agwibowo> poof: osnews.com?
[05:58] <bob2> poof: no
[05:58] <bob2> poof: is it in sid?
[05:58] <mroth> is ndiswrapper in hoary refusing to load for anyone else?
[05:58] <trey3> poof: no... 4.0.5 still
[05:58] <poof> ok thanks :)
[05:59] <calamari> is there a way to make it so that I can push the eject button on my cdrom drive to eject a cd?  when the cd is mounted it seems to lock the drawer
[05:59] <AndHeSays> HrdwrBoB: one more question and I'll stop bugging you :) can you sumarize a few features that make ubuntu stand out of the crowd (as it is getting a lot of attention)?
[05:59] <bob2> calamari: yes, you need to unmount it
[05:59] <Necrosan> HrdwrBoB: I can.. would have to move the laptop to another room and dial out.
[05:59] <bob2> there's no (useful) way around it
[05:59] <poof> i check out sid package list, I need a few newer applications ... Thanks folks, I am going to do some reading :)
[05:59] <agwibowo> what does "(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration." error message by XFree86 could be caused by?
[05:59] <trey3> poof: as for package list... there isn't one currently.... although distrowatch has a pretty good list...
[06:00] <grepper> any ideas about no menu items in kde ?  I tried kbuildsycoca and update-menus
[06:00] <poof> thanks tre
[06:00] <bob2> agwibowo: a broken X config.  Ubuntu didn't automatically make a working one?
[06:00] <poof> thanks trey3
[06:00] <agwibowo> bob2: nope. I modified it for my Radeon X300 card.. but no luck
[06:01] <bob2> agwibowo: please file a bug on xserver-xfree86 with the output of 'lscpi', 'lspci -n', 'dmesg' and 'lsmod'.
[06:01] <poof> wo Ubuntu beat Gentoo on Distro watch popularity list today :)
[06:01] <poof> 1 point
[06:01] <zenrox> ware at poof
[06:01] <poof> http://distrowatch.com/
[06:01] <jintonic> how is pxe used?
[06:02] <zenrox> sweet
[06:02] <agwibowo> where is this thing you meant by "xserver-xfree86" ?
[06:02] <agwibowo> bob2: where is this thing you meant by "xserver-xfree86" ?
[06:02] <DanielC> Hello, my Ubuntu slows to a crawl whenever I do anything with a lot of disk activity (e.g. copy an 80MB file).
[06:02] <bob2> agwibowo: erm? file a bug on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ on the xserver-xfree86 package
[06:03] <DanielC> It pratically freezes for a few momwnts.
[06:03] <bob2> jintonic: how or what is it used for?
[06:03] <DanielC> moments.
[06:03] <DanielC> I'm hoping someone has a suggestion.
[06:03] <daniels> bob2: not much point, need to write out a custom chipid, and xserver-xfree86 in warty isn't seeing any updates, modulo security
[06:03] <jintonic> how
[06:03] <bob2> ah
[06:04] <bob2> jintonic: there's lots of howtos on the intarweb
[06:04] <poof> COOL! hoary has the GIMP I need :)
[06:04] <jintonic> and i'm not an indian
[06:05] <agwibowo> bob2: you think it's not my bad xfree86 configuration file?
[06:06] <bob2> jintonic: ?
[06:06] <jintonic> ya know how in old westerns "indians" would say "how" to say "hi"
[06:06] <poningru> anyone know how to switch between l10n and english gnome?
[06:06] <nevyn> daniels: gamabs.sf.net
[06:07] <bob2> poningru: there's a difference?
[06:07] <nevyn> daniels: bleh gambas.sf.net
[06:07] <poningru> the language
[06:08] <poningru> how do I switch between say a russian gnome and then back to english
[06:08] <daniels> nevyn: that website hurts my eyes
[06:08] <poningru> my mom really wants malayalam
[06:08] <poningru> http://l10n-status.gnome.org/gnome-2.8/ml/
[06:08] <nevyn> daniels: it's visual basic but for linux
[06:08] <poningru> but I dont know how to switch to it, please help
[06:10] <Cam> NVU isnt on the unbuntu repositories :/
[06:10] <bob2> poningru: can't you select it fro mthe gdm login screen?
[06:11] <poningru> really? first time booting up
[06:11] <poningru> gotta check that stuff
[06:11] <poningru> thank you so much
[06:11] <poningru> cya guys later
[06:11] <nevyn> daniels: it is kinda fugly hey.
[06:15] <jintonic> this is funky... in "choose language" of ubuntu install i either get a flickering screen, scrambled text, or perfectly fine text but in all cases the system is locked, nothing works including ctrl-alt-del and even caps lock and num lock dont toggle the LED
[06:15] <HrdwrBoB> AndHeSays: sorry about the delay, the primary appeal of ubuntu is the simple installation and it's Just Works mentailty
[06:15] <daniels> jintonic: try booting with 'linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false'
[06:15] <HrdwrBoB> mentality
[06:15] <jintonic> i've tried 4 different video cards
[06:15] <jintonic> ok
[06:16] <agwibowo> woops...
[06:16] <jintonic> oh, it used to be that sometimes (only on my radeon 9200se) it would work fine
[06:16] <jintonic> but it doesn't seem to ever get past anymore
[06:16] <agwibowo> i just knew that daniels is the person in charge of the bug on xserver-xfree86
[06:16] <agwibowo> i've just posted my bug in bugzilla...
[06:17] <agwibowo> daniels, i've posted my bug as bug 5384
[06:17] <jintonic> with that i get a graphical error i havent seen before but its still locked up
[06:19] <poningru> where do I have to place the language pack inorder for it to show up during bootup?
[06:19] <poningru> the l10n pack I mean
[06:19] <jintonic> trying the same option with a different video card...
[06:19] <daniels> agwibowo: it's fixed in hoary, so I'll close it as FIXED; in the meantime, try putting Option "ChipID" "0x4150"
[06:20] <agwibowo> where?
[06:20] <AndHeSays> HrdwrBoB: thanks a lot
[06:21] <poningru> nm I found the tar installer
[06:21] <poningru> thnx for the help guys
[06:21] <bob2> tar installer?
[06:21] <jintonic> same error using another video card, now trying my radeon 9200se...
[06:21] <agwibowo> daniels: should i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose fglrx driver? and whereabout should i put that "ChipID" "0x4150" ?
[06:22] <daniels> agwibowo: yeah, choose fglrx
[06:22] <daniels> agwibowo: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and put that in the Device section
[06:22] <liquidghondi> Anyone know if there is a fix to get your newly installed apps to show up under the gnome panel?
[06:22] <agwibowo> daniels: may i post 5 lines here??? is it considered as flooding?
[06:23] <daniels> agwibowo: post it in /msg
[06:23] <DanielC> liquidghondi: right-click on the panel and choose "add to panel" ?
[06:23] <DanielC> liquidghondi: that's what I do.
[06:23] <poningru> tar.gz
[06:24] <poningru> it included instruction where to place the files, so I placed them there: hence installer.
[06:24] <agwibowo>         Identifier      "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon X300 (RV370)"
[06:24] <agwibowo>         Driver          "fglrx"
[06:24] <agwibowo>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[06:24] <agwibowo>         ChipID          "0x4150"
[06:24] <agwibowo> EndSection
[06:24] <agwibowo> like that?
[06:24] <Cam> did you read the howto?
[06:25] <daniels> agwibowo: yeah
[06:25] <agwibowo> ok.. be back soon
[06:26] <Necrosan_> Okay, who's the guy that wanted the lspci & lsmod?
[06:26] <Necrosan_> and what's the address to a good pastebin?
[06:26] <daniels> pastebin.com
[06:26] <jintonic> hmm... something else is that using my radeon 9200se i get a pixel high white line across the top and another across the bottom, but using my geforce2mx and my radeon all-in-wonder original, that doesn't show up
[06:27] <jintonic> but anyways, disabling framebuffer made the graphics not get as distorted but it still crashed
[06:28] <HrdwrBoB> Necrosan_: yes
[06:28] <jintonic> and that's using 3 different video cards (radeon 9200se, geforce2mx and radon aiw)
[06:28] <bob2> are you sure you don't have a broken motherboard or such?
[06:29] <jintonic> this is the only time i've ever encountered a problem remotely like this in installing a bunch of different linux distros
[06:29] <bob2> didn't you say going to agp 4x fixed it?
[06:30] <jintonic> including debian, although its netinst for whatever reason didnt for for me
[06:30] <Cam> anyone know of a repository with dashboard on it?
[06:30] <trey3> Cam: checked www.apt-get.org?
[06:30] <jintonic> yeah, that worked to get x working, but the problem i had in install was never fixed, i just installed a time when it happened to not crash
[06:30] <agwibowo> daniels: no.. still not working
[06:31] <jintonic> i rebooted about 10 times til it worked without crashing
[06:31] <daniels> agwibowo: then i'm not sure, sorry
[06:32] <Cam> no, but thanks
[06:32] <agwibowo> my friend said something to me about Intel AGP module not loaded
[06:32] <Cam> hrmm.. nothing.
[06:32] <agwibowo> daniels: would it be the cause of this problem? Intel AGP and agp something... can't remember the exact name... he said that they have to be loaded before fglrx module is loaded
[06:33] <daniels> 'agpgart'?
[06:33] <daniels> i don't know, sorry
[06:33] <agwibowo> ok...
[06:33] <Necrosan_> http://www.pastebin.com/227127
[06:33] <Cam> theres a nice howto on it anyway
[06:34] <deadshell> daniels it might be agpgart
[06:34] <HrdwrBoB> Necrosan_: what model of thinkpad is it
[06:34] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[06:34] <Necrosan_> 770
[06:35] <Linuxnoob> hi all - how do I uninstall ubuntu/grub on a dual boot with xp?
[06:35] <HrdwrBoB> Necrosan_: run modprobe cs4232 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0 mpuio=0x330 mpuirq=5
[06:35] <HrdwrBoB> modprobe opl3 io=0x388
[06:35] <jintonic> 770, heh, i have a 760ld.... i'm sorry
[06:35] <Necrosan_> both?
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> then add cs4232 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0 mpuio=0x330 mpuirq=5
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> and opl3 io=0x388
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> to /etc/modules
[06:36] <binReapr> how can I modify the .profile? it doesnt let me because Im not root and the terminal can't see it because is hidden
[06:37] <agwibowo> Linuxnoob: you mean you want to get rid of grub?
[06:37] <Linuxnoob> I want to get rid of both ubuntu and grub
[06:37] <Linuxnoob> ubuntu stinks
[06:37] <agwibowo> Linuxnoob: not sure in xp, but it used to be  "fdisk /mbr" from windows
[06:37] <DanielC> Linuxnoob: Sorry, I don't know anyting about Winodws. But there must be some Win program that will let you repartition and install a new boot manager.
[06:37] <DanielC> Linuxnoob: Please be polite if you wish to get help.
[06:37] <Linuxnoob> I am being polite
[06:38] <Necrosan_> brb
[06:38] <calamari> Linuxnoob: Ubuntu is great, IMO
[06:38] <agwibowo> binReapr: root user is protected in Ubuntu. Have to use "sudo" instead
[06:39] <binReapr> ok, butwhat is the command for changing attribs
[06:39] <Linuxnoob> ubunto doesn't like my laptop and is quirky with hardware
[06:39] <HrdwrBoB> binReapr: what .profile?
[06:39] <agwibowo> chmod?
[06:39] <agwibowo> wait
[06:39] <deadshell> Linuxnoob, read this it might help http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/26939.html
[06:39] <binReapr> the root .profile
[06:39] <agwibowo> what attribute?
[06:39] <DanielC> agwibowo: why is root protected in Ubuntu? Is that meant as a security feature? I admit I see a security benefit to it.
[06:39] <HrdwrBoB> binReapr: and why do you need to change it?
[06:39] <binReapr> write
[06:39] <HrdwrBoB> DanielC: sudo makes more sense than using root
[06:39] <binReapr> cause Im installin qt and it asks me to add some patch to .profile
[06:39] <deadshell> Linuxnoob, and try mepis :D
[06:39] <binReapr> path
[06:39] <agwibowo> DanielC: errr.. not sure.... but i guess your reason seems to be the one.. i'm not ubuntu developer :P
[06:39] <DanielC> HrdwrBoB: why? I'm eager to know.
[06:39] <jintonic> linuxnoob: no, that wasn't very polite, but: are you dual-booting?
[06:40] <Linuxnoob> I am dual booting
[06:40] <HrdwrBoB> DanielC: more passwords, more complication, more tendency to run thigns that ought not to be root as root
[06:40] <agwibowo> binReappr: maybe  sudo vim ~/.profile
[06:40] <Linuxnoob> it was polite - just not popular
[06:40] <DanielC> HrdwrBoB: good good.
[06:41] <DanielC> Linuxnoob: Saying that xxx stinks is not polite.
[06:41] <binReapr> vim? ok, going to try that
[06:41] <DanielC> Linuxnoob: everything else you said was polite.
[06:41] <agwibowo> binReappr: wait
[06:41] <binReapr> ok
[06:41] <agwibowo> binReappr: vim is an editor.... if you are not familiar with it... maybe pico or nano.. not sure.. vim is quite complicated for beginner.
[06:41] <DanielC> Linuxnoob: In any event, there must be a Windows program to repartition your disk and rewrite the MBR.
[06:42] <jintonic> plus its not very smart to say an os stinks when that's the title of the channel you're in then ask for help
[06:42] <Linuxnoob> k
[06:42] <Linuxnoob> I'll see what I can come up with
[06:42] <DanielC>  Linuxnoob: BootMagic? PartitionMagic? How do Windows uers partition?
[06:42] <binReapr> actually I can load it in text editor, just it wont let me do any changes
[06:42] <Linuxnoob> don't know how windows users partition
[06:42] <Linuxnoob> I'm used to fedora
[06:42] <binReapr> thats why I want to change the attribs but dont know the command
[06:42] <deadshell> Linuxnoob, read this look at Response Number 3 http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/26939.html
[06:42] <jintonic> noob: how big is your linux partition?
[06:42] <chibifs> Hrm.  :/
[06:42] <highdesertshephe> I've got a laptop, compaq presario 1655. It can do 1024x768. Ubuntu screen resolution app is only allowing me 800x600 maximum. How do I get my laptop to go to 1024x768. Ubuntu warty distro.
[06:43] <chibifs> Is hoary safe right now? I was having glx troubles with it the other day.
[06:43] <Linuxnoob> thanks for the link deadshell - looking @ it
[06:43] <Necrosan> HrdwrBoB: didnt work.. still getting no sound device on boot
[06:43] <HrdwrBoB> chibifs: my installs of hoary seem to be fine
[06:43] <agwibowo> binAppr: oh ok... then there you go.. sudo <whatever editor> ~/.profile
[06:44] <DanielC> highdesertshephe: Tell me if this works:  Computer > System Configuration > Screen Resolution.
[06:44] <deadshell> highdesertshephe, you may edit /etc/X11/XF86Config
[06:44] <binReapr> aahh, I see, thnx
[06:44] <chibifs> It was an nvidia related problem, bob. Have an nvidia card? :o
[06:44] <HrdwrBoB> chibifs: yes, two :)
[06:44] <DanielC> highdesertshephe: try it my way first :-)
[06:44] <chibifs> Try running glxgears for me :P
[06:45] <HrdwrBoB> chibifs: does it segfault?
[06:45] <chibifs> Yeah :/
[06:45] <HrdwrBoB> are you running the latest xserver-xorg ?
[06:45] <HrdwrBoB> that was fixed recently
[06:45] <Linuxnoob> lol my file looks exactly like that one
[06:45] <Linuxnoob> lol
[06:45] <chibifs> Right now I'm back on warty because that was causing me a lot of problems.
[06:45] <chibifs> If that's fixed though, I'll dist-upgrade back :D
[06:46] <HrdwrBoB> yeah it's fixed
[06:46] <chibifs> Yey :D
[06:46] <HrdwrBoB> it was a problem a little while ago
[06:46] <HrdwrBoB> there is also restricted modules for 2.6.10 now
[06:47] <chibifs> ^.^ Okay, gonna fall back to console, because I'm afraid of letting synaptic do it :P
[06:47] <mindphasr> What package do you need to install for x.org?
[06:48] <chibifs> xserver-xorg
[06:48] <highdesertshephe> DanielC That's what I tried. I am avoiding editing the /etc/X11/XF86Config file. I'm actually /nick Stew2. This is a user's laptop, and I'm showing him how to use IRC to ask a question. He put Ubuntu on last week.
[06:48] <mindphasr> do you need xserver-xorg-dbg?
[06:48] <Linuxnoob> guess I'm going to be doing a fdisk /mbr
[06:48] <chibifs> dbg is a different server
[06:48] <DanielC> highdesertshephe: Ah, ok.
[06:48] <mindphasr> ahh
[06:49] <chibifs> It's for debugging :P
[06:49] <mindphasr> okay
[06:49] <DanielC> highdesertshephe: Definitely an important skill for GNU/Linux.
[06:49] <binReapr> ok, now lets hope I didnt mess up :P
[06:49] <HrdwrBoB> Linuxnoob: yes, that will fix your bootloader issues
[06:50] <Linuxnoob> is that on the xp recovery disks?
[06:50] <jintonic> i didn't mention another problem i've been having with ubuntu..... sometimes when i boot up ubuntu my keyboard and mouse don't work at all, then sometimes they do
[06:50] <jintonic> i havent had any problem like that using anything else
[06:50] <binReapr> btw, how can avoid the "syncronize clock to nntp.ubuntulinux.com" or something like that at startup?
[06:52] <Cam> can i ask, what repository does new updates go to?
[06:52] <chibifs> Whee. :P Should have got splitvt before I started that dist-upgrade.
[06:55] <highdesertshephe> How do I configure my monitor in Ubuntu? The XF86Config-4 says I have a "Generic Monitor".
[06:55] <jintonic> cam: any, i believe... i think apt just checks to see if the version currently in the repositories is newer than installed
[06:56] <HrdwrBoB> highdesertshephe: you don't need to, it should be auto detected
[06:56] <chibifs> Run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 in a terminal.
[06:56] <cody_> sorry I know I'm a fool, but what is the apt-get to install gcc?
[06:56] <chibifs> g++
[06:56] <cody_> Aha, I was a fool. Thanks.
[06:56] <jintonic> cody: that install the gnu c compiler
[06:57] <highdesertshephe> HrdwrBob: Ubuntu is only allowing me to choose 800x600, not 1024x768
[06:57] <jintonic> emm... is g++ in that package?
[06:58] <chibifs> try build-essential
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> chibifs: I was saying that
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> bug he has left
[06:58] <highdesertshephe> HrdwrBob Is there a way I can change the monitor configuration through Gnome?
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> highdesertshephe: 16:57 < chibifs> Run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 in a terminal.
[06:59] <jintonic> hmm
[06:59] <chibifs> There /are/ a set of tools you can get to have debian configurations show as GTK2 windows.
[07:00] <chibifs> Someone should actually put it in as default for ubuntu-desktop.
[07:00] <mindphasr> How do you change the cursor?
[07:00] <Cam> can anyone tell me if their is a wiki on repositories?
[07:01] <chibifs> Search for 'Break' on the Ubuntu site, Cam.
[07:01] <jdub> Cam: what are you looking for?
[07:02] <Cam> im looking for nvu on a repository, also gaim 1.1 :/
[07:02] <chibifs> ub-backports.sf.net
[07:02] <Cam> i have the default repositories enabled
[07:02] <jdub> for warty? definitely won't be in warty itself, because they're too new. but it may be packaged elsewhere.
[07:02] <highdesertshephe> Okay, I'm going to restart X HrdwrBob
[07:03] <chibifs> ubuntu backports has gaim, firefox, and synaptic recompiled for warty. :D
[07:04] <Cam> i was considering upgrading to hoary but i dont know if i want to be that "bleeding-edge"
[07:04] <Cam> when's the release?
[07:04] <jdub> march for preview, april for final
[07:04] <Cam> yeh
[07:05] <chibifs> Cam- Hoary is fairly stable right now, it just breaks now and then. You might not want to update daily, or you'll find yourself with broken system :P
[07:06] <Cam> how well does the upgrade process go down?
[07:06] <HrdwrBoB> Cam: it mostly works but recently things like nvidia broke (ish)
[07:06] <Cam> yer im ati ;)
[07:06] <jintonic> i'm convinced the problem i'm having with ubuntu setup is a conflict with my motherboard... anybody mind going through my bios to see if the conflict might be avoidable using it?
[07:06] <Cam> and im not even using the official drivers yet
[07:07] <chibifs> jintonic - Disable anything ACPI or Plug and Play related.
[07:07] <Cam> lol stuff it
[07:07] <Cam> ill do it neway
[07:07] <jintonic> how about "apic mode"
[07:08] <Cam> you just change everything in the repositories from warty to hoary right?
[07:08] <chibifs> Apic should probably be enabled.
[07:08] <Cam> im a mad man!
[07:08] <chibifs> Adds extra IRQ's
[07:08] <chibifs> Cam - Make sure you run the command apt-get dist-upgrade, not just apt-get upgrade.
[07:09] <Cam> sure
[07:09] <chibifs> Turn off all repositories except for hoary main and restricted, as well.
[07:09] <Cam> k
[07:09] <chibifs> Or things could get messy :P
[07:09] <jintonic> agp aperture size, fast write support, data transfer rate, system bios cacheable, video ram cacheable?
[07:09] <jintonic> video card is 128MB and support 4x/8x
[07:09] <chibifs> Fast write off.
[07:09] <Cam> no universe?
[07:10] <chibifs> Disable universe while running apt-get dist-upgrade, then turn it back on
[07:10] <chibifs> and update universe packages with synaptic :D
[07:10] <Cam> i dont actually have main on there, only main restricted
[07:11] <Cam> for security + archive
[07:11] <chibifs> That's the right format anyway. Subsections should all go on one line.
[07:12] <Cam> ok
[07:12] <chibifs> You could make that line main restricted universe multiverse and it would be the same as having seperate entries.
[07:12] <jintonic> YES!
[07:12] <Cam> suggested that i close xchat?
[07:12] <Cam> ;)
[07:12] <jintonic> and i'll bet fast write is the reason why it wasnt working
[07:12] <chibifs> It work, jin?
[07:12] <jintonic> yeah
[07:13] <Cam> lol. bye!
[07:13] <Cam> c u on the other side
[07:13] <chibifs> Cam - Don't run X at all while doing the dist-upgrade
[07:13] <jintonic> but it could be a fluke (sometimes [rare]  it would work)
[07:13] <Cam> ok
[07:13] <Cam> set the init level?
[07:13] <bob2> it's completely and utterly fine to run X while doing dist-upgrade
[07:13] <chibifs> No, CTRL+ALT+F1 , login, sudo killall gdm
[07:13] <chibifs> then run it, then reboot. :o
[07:14] <bob2> um
[07:14] <bob2> Cam: it's fine to run dist-upgrade in X whiel you have x-chat or whatever open
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> you don't need to do that
[07:14] <chibifs> bob2 - Yes, it is, but he needs to restart anyway for the new Xserver and kernel :P
[07:15] <bob2> chibifs: you don't need to restart for a new X server
[07:15] <chibifs> You need to restart X to use the new X server >.>
[07:15] <Cam> ill need to re-compile ndiswrapper for the  new kernel correct?
[07:15] <bob2> right
[07:15] <bob2> which you can do after the upgrade is complete
[07:15] <Cam> yep cool
[07:15] <Cam> here goes nothing
[07:16] <chibifs> I'm aware. I just want him to be safe. :o
[07:16] <bob2> the only thing that will break is firefox and possibly gnome-panel
[07:17] <Cam> lovely.
[07:17] <Necrosan> nm HrdwrBoB, your solution worked.
[07:17] <Necrosan> thanks.
[07:17] <Cam> now would be the perfect time to clean
[07:17] <chibifs> Cam - I recommend deleting .gnome2 and .gnome from your home directory
[07:18] <bob2> woah
[07:18] <bob2> no
[07:18] <Cam> before restarting? before the upgrade?
[07:18] <bob2> please stop giving such terrible advice
[07:18] <chibifs> After. :/
[07:18] <chibifs> Bob, the configuration files between gnome versions always cause problems :/
[07:19] <bob2> no, not "always"
[07:19] <bob2> for instance, I upgraded just fine
[07:19] <bob2> if they break, Cam can file a bug and decide if he/she's willing to lose all that config info or not
[07:21] <chibifs> Blah. I'm still too slackware for my own good. :D
[07:22] <bob2> so it seems.
[07:22] <chibifs> Uhoh. :/
[07:23] <chibifs> Dependancy problems :/
[07:25] <jintonic> how can i stop syncronising to ntp.blah at startup?
[07:25] <chibifs> Ctrl+C :P
[07:25] <jintonic> heh
[07:26] <chibifs> Or do you mean permanantly?
[07:26] <bob2> sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S*ntpd*
[07:26] <chibifs> Don't remove it :O
[07:27] <bob2> removing the symlink is fine
[07:27] <chibifs> chmod it not toChmod it not to run. Remove is sooooo uhhhh... Ubuntulike.
[07:28] <Dethread> hello, anyone know how to disable that GDM startup sound?
[07:28] <bob2> er? this is is how sysv init works.
[07:28] <chibifs> Hehe. I know nothing. I'll shush :P
[07:29] <wezzer> good morning everyone
[07:29] <wezzer> how can I enable NTP support?
[07:30] <wezzer> I can't synchronize gnome-clock with Internet servers
[07:30] <bob2> you already have it installed
[07:30] <chibifs> wezzer - Gnome clock doesn't see it, but your clock syncs to a timeserver on startup.
[07:31] <wezzer> oh
[07:31] <wezzer> well, then the problem is solved :)
[07:31] <wezzer> thanks
[07:33] <mkerby> I'm trying to install Ubuntu (again). It's gotten to the Base Installation.
[07:34] <mkerby> It went quickly to 82 percent - at the point it was updating the list of available packages.
[07:34] <jintonic> i get an error ACPI: SPSD not found (or something like that) is it ok to disable acpid?
[07:34] <bob2> that won't disable acpi
[07:34] <mkerby> The cd drive light is still flashing, but the download progress has stopped for several minutes. Is this normal?
[07:34] <bob2> acpi=off is the kernel option you want, iirc
[07:35] <bob2> mkerby: how slow is the drive?
[07:35] <mdz> jintonic: ignore that message; it isn't an error
[07:35] <bob2> ah
[07:35] <jintonic> ok
[07:35] <mkerby> It's a new one so I don't know for certain.  I think it's fast, but not too fast.
[07:36] <mdz> jintonic: you're talking about this: Jan  7 17:00:32 localhost kernel: ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initrd... not found!
[07:36] <setite> my ubuntu is dead!!!!
[07:36] <mdz> jintonic: yes?
[07:36] <mdz> that message really shouldn't have an exclamation mark
[07:36] <chibifs> It must be the lovebug32 virus :O
[07:36] <setite> it keeps saying my session lasted less than 10 seconds because of some issue with ICE.authority or some shit
[07:36] <jintonic> unable to locate rsdp, thats it
[07:36] <bob2> setite: when did you last run k3b?
[07:37] <setite> why did that do it
[07:37] <jintonic> yeah
[07:37] <setite> i just downloaded it and ran it to see what it looked like
[07:37] <setite> fucking k3b
[07:37] <setite> damn kde software
[07:37] <jintonic> there we go... ubuntu loads up much faster now
[07:37] <Dethread> indeed
[07:37] <setite> sorry... ill watch the language
[07:37] <setite> but i dont like being on windows
[07:37] <bob2> setite: sudo rm ~/.ICEauthority
[07:37] <mkerby> If the hard drive is just being slow I'll not worry about it for awhile.
[07:37] <setite> how do i fix it
[07:37] <setite> rm?
[07:37] <jintonic> rm = remove
[07:38] <setite> ok and that will fix it?
[07:38] <bob2> think so
[07:38] <setite> ok and ~ automatically searches for the appropriate folders? or do i have to figure that out and replace ~
[07:38] <setite> and why does k3b do that
[07:38] <setite> should i remove it
[07:38] <setite> evil k3b
[07:38] <jintonic> ~ = home directory
[07:38] <Dethread> anyone know how I can disable the GDM startup sound?
[07:39] <bob2> Dethread: it's not in the gdm setup thing?
[07:39] <setite> death hey man... my people worked hard on the african trible drumming
[07:39] <bob2> setite: doesn't matter, it only causes this problem when you run it
[07:39] <Dethread> hehe
[07:39] <setite> tribal*
[07:39] <Dethread> it's on my laptop, and I use it at school...sometimes I forget to turn off the speakers...
[07:39] <setite> stupid k3b... ok gonna go unfubar my ubuntu then find something better
[07:39] <Dethread> bob2, where do I find that setup?
[07:40] <mkerby> setite, I liked trible. I had a mental picture of thousands of tribbles playing tiny drums :)
[07:40] <bob2> Dethread: computer -> system preferences -> login
[07:41] <nxterra> I just installed Ubuntu for the first time however, when I was isntalling I was never prompted to do a custom install (select packages I wanted/did not want) -- is there something I missed?
[07:41] <jintonic> how would i use dd to make a disk image of my ipod disk? it automounts on ubuntu as a fat formatted drive
[07:41] <Dethread> bob2, found it, thanks
[07:41] <bob2> nxterra: it's a boot option
[07:42] <nxterra> bob2 , thanks!
[07:42] <bob2> but you can just uninstall stuff now instead of reinstalling
[07:43] <Rene_S> Well my hoary upgrade worked out nice, the new gnome menu's are a bit of a pain, I guess I can work through that somehow.
[07:43] <nxterra> bob2 , I'll play around with it for now...and then install later ;) -- well there is so much I do not use...I am a minimalist..I suppose ;)
[07:44] <nxterra> one other thing...I wonder why firefox and thunderbird is not at version 1.0 yet?
[07:45] <bob2> because they didn't exist when warty released
[07:45] <nxterra> do I need to edit my repos or something or just wait a while? :)
[07:45] <setite> yes!
[07:45] <Dethread> it's not in the repositories
[07:45] <setite> thank you whoever told me that
[07:45] <setite> but i officially hate one thing on linux
[07:45] <setite> the case-sensitivity
[07:45] <Dethread> I love it
[07:45] <setite> its killing me
[07:46] <nxterra> Dethread, ok thanks
[07:46] <Dethread> get used to it
[07:46] <bob2> nxterra: it's in the development branch of ubuntu, and will be in the next stable release in april
[07:46] <nxterra> bob2, ok thanks...
[07:47] <nxterra> I really like how Ubuntu is gnome oriented :)
[07:47] <nxterra> thats why I am trying it
[07:47] <setite> so what do i use in place of k3b
[07:48] <Rene_S> try gnomebaker
[07:48] <setite> shit what time is it...
[07:48] <nxterra> is cd roast good?
[07:48] <setite> the time is off again
[07:48] <Dethread> setite, mine is always off too
[07:48] <setite> how do i enable ntp
[07:49] <Dethread> it is enabled...but Gnome doesn't know about it
[07:49] <Dethread> it should synchronize during bott
[07:49] <Dethread> boot
[07:49] <mkerby> It's done it again.
[07:50] <nxterra> my time is off to
[07:50] <mkerby> It finally got out of upgrading stuff, but now it says that no installable kernal was found in the defined APT sources.
[07:50] <mkerby> What can I do?
[07:50] <setite> nah... i noticed that it failed that earlier
[07:51] <bob2> mkerby: sure your cd is ok?
[07:51] <mkerby> bob2, I got this error before so I burned another cd. It's still doing it.
[07:52] <setite> oh i know what it is
[07:52] <mkerby> Should I try downloading again from a different location?
[07:52] <setite> windows screwd it up
[07:52] <bob2> mkerby: check the md5sum of the disk
[07:52] <setite> whats UTC
[07:52] <setite> it has to do with DST right
[07:52] <Dethread> GMT
[07:53] <setite> oh... anyone know what time is it PST
[07:53] <mkerby> Okay.
[07:53] <Dethread> setite, Pacific?
[07:54] <DanielC> setite: PST is Pacific Standard Time. UTC is Universal Coordinated Time, which is never more than 1 second off from GMT.
[07:54] <jintonic> almost 11pm
[07:54] <Dethread> setite, 22:54
[07:54] <jintonic> 10:54
[07:54] <froust> hello
[07:54] <froust> has anyone here successfully installed firefox 1.0 on ubuntu?
[07:55] <bob2> lots of people
[07:55] <bob2> do you mean "from a tarball on warty"?
[07:55] <froust> yeah
[07:55] <mkerby> I'm trying but the program won't do the entire cd, just one file at a time.
[07:55] <mkerby> Is this okay?
[07:55] <bob2> mkerby: there's an option in the installer menu
[07:56] <froust> i've downloaded the tarball, sucessfully untarred it, but the ./firefox-installer gives me this errof message
[07:56] <froust> ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:56] <bob2> that's there on ubuntu systems
[07:57] <mkerby> bob2, what part of the installer menu do I use?
[07:57] <bob2> mkerby: 'check cd' or such
[07:57] <froust> i have libgtk installed
[07:57] <bob2> froust: did you remove any of the default packages?
[07:57] <mkerby> Oh. When I try to install it? (Pardon.  I'm sleepy.)
[07:58] <froust> no i didn't.
[07:58] <deadshell> Is FF 1.0 able to be installed using apt-get?
[07:58] <froust> no
[07:58] <deadshell> froust, that no for me
[07:58] <froust> yeah
[07:58] <bob2> mkerby: yes
[07:58] <froust> it's all .93
[07:58] <bob2> deadshell: yes, it is
[07:58] <ferris> how do i register my nick on the freenode server?
[07:58] <bob2> but not in warty
[07:58] <froust> i've been looking
[07:58] <bob2> ferris: /msg nickserv help
[07:59] <ferris> thnks
[07:59] <froust> and it only seems to have .93
[07:59] <jintonic> does ubuntu hold release of every third party app into distribution until another version has overtaken it?
[07:59] <deadshell> i thought it was mozilla-firefox or something
[07:59] <jintonic> because it seems so
[07:59] <hannes__> deadshell: hoary (i think)
[07:59] <deadshell> oh ok hannes__
[07:59] <bob2> froust: make sure you have libgtk2.0-0 installed
[07:59] <froust> it's installed.
[07:59] <deadshell> i love apt
[07:59] <jintonic> mozilla-firefox is 0.9.3
[07:59] <bob2> deadshell: hoary is the name of the development distribution of ubuntu that has firefox 1.0
[08:00] <bob2> yes, we all know it's 0.9.3 in warty
[08:00] <bob2> jintonic: if you mean "Does ubuntu not throw away software until a new version is uploaded?", yes
[08:00] <froust> hrm...
[08:00] <froust> debian's starting to look a bit better
[08:01] <bob2> er
[08:01] <bob2> debian stable doesn't have firefox at all
[08:01] <froust> that sudo thing is damn annoying.
[08:01] <jintonic> i meant: ubuntu's apt system has a lot of outdated versions of software
[08:01] <bob2> froust: read the FAQ, you can disable it if yo ucan't get used to it
[08:01] <hannes__> but warty is a stable release, and it has frozen, a long time ago, so it hasn't got any version-updates
[08:01] <hannes__> only security
[08:01] <bob2> jintonic: no, the stable release does, because it's "stable"
[08:01] <jintonic> like firefox 0.9.3 and linux kernel 2.6.8
[08:01] <bob2> jintonic: hoary is the development version and therefore under development
[08:02] <hannes__> jintonic: in warty, yes
[08:02] <hannes__> but in hoary they are all fresh
[08:02] <darmou> Hi all I have a problem my menus have gone blank and there is notthing on my desktop and nautius does not start.
[08:02] <zenrox> and broken
[08:02] <jintonic> yeah
[08:02] <binReapr> anyone with kde 3.3.2 installed?
[08:02] <darmou> I tried starting in safe mode, same problem:(
[08:02] <bob2> darmou: when you're using hoary?
[08:02] <darmou> yes
[08:02] <mkerby> bob2, I've looked and I see nothing helpful. I'm kinda at my wits' end. What can I do?
[08:02] <hannes__> darmou, delete ~/.gnom2
[08:02] <jintonic> i gave up with getting hoary to work, warty works fine
[08:02] <darmou> hannes_ thanks
[08:03] <hannes__> *gnome2
[08:03] <hannes__> jintonic: what didn't work?
[08:03] <froust> so can anyone tell me how to install glibc 2.3.2?
[08:03] <bob2> darmou: known bug, in the bts, but I don't remember the fix off-hand
[08:03] <bob2> froust: you really do not want to do that
[08:03] <bob2> mkerby: you can't get to the menu?
[08:04] <darmou> ok how do I restart my gnome session without restarting the machine?
[08:04] <bob2> darmou: that's not the fix
[08:04] <froust> all i really want to do is install firefox 1.0 so i can have my live bookmarks, and go to bed - i've been trying to do it for 3 hours and now it's just a staring contest :P
[08:04] <bob2> (and won't help)
[08:04] <setite> what is the microsoft time server
[08:04] <setite> anyone tell me the time please
[08:04] <setite> wow... i guess thats too much to ask
[08:04] <Dethread> setite, it's 23:04
[08:05] <hannes__> darmou: Alt+Ctrl+Backspace
[08:05] <Dethread> setite, or 11:04 pm if you prefer that
[08:05] <darmou> I got rid of my .gnome2 but I guess I will have to restart, ok I'll be back
[08:05] <bob2> darmou: no
[08:05] <bob2> darmou: that is not the fix
[08:05] <jintonic> x, libflac... can't think of the other stuff but there was plenty more
[08:05] <bob2> darmou: you're using hoary, you have to expect stuff to be broken that you will have to look up the fixes for
[08:05] <setite> thanks deth
[08:05] <hannes__> 9:12 am
[08:06] <darmou> bob2 where can I look up the fixes?
[08:06] <bob2> darmou: as I said, in the BTS: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[08:07] <techn9ne> how do i make it so that when i hit a mailto: link in firefox it opens thunderbird?
[08:07] <mkerby> bob2, I'm on the Windows machine, looking at the cd in the Explorer menu. There are a number of files in the install folder.
[08:07] <bob2> mkerby: no, when you boot into it
[08:07] <mkerby> Upon which do I run the checksum?
[08:08] <bob2> again, none of them
[08:08] <bob2> boot into the cd
[08:08] <bob2> go to the menu
[08:08] <bob2> select 'check cd' or whatever it is
[08:08] <mkerby> I tried booting. Lots of options, but nothing having to do with the cd.
[08:08] <bob2> well, it's there
[08:08] <techn9ne> mkerby, its at the bottom
[08:08] <techn9ne> last option or 2nd last i think
[08:09] <mkerby> I'm looking again.
[08:09] <techn9ne> and we're talking about the menu inside of the setup that you use the up/down arrows to select from the list
[08:09] <techn9ne> not the screen when you load up and can type in commands
[08:09] <ferris> froust, what is the matter with firefox?
[08:09] <poningru> any probs with firefox>
[08:09] <bob2> he/she wants firefox 1.0 on warty
[08:10] <poningru> um just go to getfirefox.exe
[08:10] <bob2> you could try the backport thing, but I don't know if they have a useful upgrade strategy for when hoary comes out
[08:10] <binReapr> mmhh, ok, if my installation stops because it needs a lib, and the I install the lib and continue the installation process
[08:10] <poningru> it err
[08:10] <binReapr> it gets corrupted?
[08:10] <poningru> getfirefox.com
[08:10] <techn9ne> backport works great
[08:12] <Stew2> Hey people. I have a PII Compaq laptop with Ubuntu Warty on it. I can't get the resolution above 800x600. THe display supports 1024x768. I already ran dpkg-reconfigure xfree86
[08:12] <Stew2> ?
[08:12] <froust> ferris: can't get it installed
[08:12] <froust> i get a ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:12] <froust> libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 is installed
[08:13] <sensebend> Stew2, edit the file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[08:13] <Cam> Stew2: are you sure the hsync and vsync values for your monitor are correct? and are you sure your driver is working?
[08:13] <Stew2> sensebend Can I paste it on pastebin and have you lookat it? It's been wrackin my brain.
[08:13] <techn9ne> freemymind, use backport
[08:13] <sensebend> sure
[08:13] <techn9ne> i mean froust
[08:13] <froust> backport?
[08:14] <sensebend> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net
[08:14] <mkerby> bob2, I'm back to installing the base system again.  It said it checked the cd rom drive (did this on its own; no option offered) and it seemed content.
[08:14] <techn9ne> just add a line to your apt sources list
[08:14] <Cam> Stew2: find out other peoples experiences with the same laptop+linux by doing a google search. their might be some issues, or a specific driver needs to be installed.
[08:14] <mkerby> So I don't know.
[08:14] <froust> how do i do that, and what line am i adding?
[08:14] <techn9ne> and it will update firefox, thunderbird, gaim and a ton of other stuff
[08:14] <techn9ne> read the web site
[08:14] <froust> the ubuntu website?
[08:14] <techn9ne> that sensebend just gave you
[08:15] <froust> aaah
[08:15] <setite> ok i forgot the answers... what do i replace k3b with
[08:15] <setite> hey tech
[08:15] <techn9ne> then... sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:15] <sensebend> froust, basically you add a repository and you have access to some of the newer applications in hoary. Without the need to change your base installation heavily
[08:15] <techn9ne> ... that are tested and confrmed to work w/o breaking stuff
[08:16] <nxterra> I get hotplus errors on boot and time sync fails on boot, any ideas?
[08:16] <sensebend> techn9ne, I pinned the backports at a lower priority and only used the backports for firefox and thunderbird
[08:16] <nxterra> hotplug
[08:16] <techn9ne> sensebend, ummm thats not a good idea i did that and i f*cked my whole system
[08:16] <techn9ne> firefox relies on x.org and in warty its xfree
[08:16] <nxterra> I am using warty btw
[08:16] <sensebend> I had no such trouble
[08:16] <froust> okay
[08:17] <techn9ne> sensebend, i didnt have trouble until i rebooted
[08:17] <froust> so now that i've done that, what do i do?
[08:17] <bob2> mkerby: no, that's not what I'm talking about
[08:17] <bob2> mkerby: there's an option to check the cd
[08:17] <techn9ne> be very careful w/ pinning, when possible use backport
[08:17] <mkerby> This time it quit at installing the base system saying it had a debootstrap error. Arrgh
[08:17] <bob2> mkerby: that really sounds like a bad cd
[08:17] <bob2> if you pin you get to keep both pieces when it breaks
[08:18] <sensebend> bob2, I said something to that effect a few hours ago
[08:18] <bob2> if you're ever asking for help with anything to do with apt, you should *always* tell people you're using pinning
[08:18] <mkerby> I've tried burning it twice. Should I try again or should I download from a different location?
[08:18] <techn9ne> i saw on the forums a lot of ppl broke their systems pinning firefox tahts why i say it
[08:18] <Stew2> sensebend: Here it is http://www.pastebin.com/227146
[08:18] <froust> techn9ne, what do i do after i add the line?
[08:18] <techn9ne> froust, save the file
[08:19] <bob2> mkerby: first you need to check if the cd is ok or not
[08:19] <bob2> until then, reburning is a waste
[08:19] <darmou> A reboot worked fine:)
[08:19] <froust> done that :P
[08:19] <darmou> What is a good dvd burner for ubuntu?
[08:19] <froust> i'm pretty new at all this
[08:19] <techn9ne> froust, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:20] <sensebend> bob2, mkerby verified the md5sum of the ISO a while ago
[08:20] <techn9ne> thats ok well let you live
[08:20] <mkerby> bob2, I tried to find that option.  Just not there.
[08:20] <sensebend> or at least I think mkerby did
[08:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> i accidentally installed with UK language settings.   How can i change it to American English so i don't have words like "colour"?
[08:20] <nxterra> what cd burn software does warty provide?
[08:20] <mkerby> I've got warty, if that makes a difference.
[08:20] <Cam> lol 39% complete on downloading hoary packages :|
[08:20] <zenrox> nxterra, k3b
[08:21] <froust> what should i choose for the upgrade?
[08:21] <zenrox> smart upgrade
[08:21] <nxterra> zenrox, thnx
[08:22] <zenrox> nxterra,  thats as close ase you can get to nero on windows
[08:22] <nxterra> zenrox, however, k3b is not found using synapic
[08:22] <zenrox> enable the universe resportry
[08:22] <sensebend> you can't compare k3b to Nero, Nero is vastly superior but for most uses k3b is fine
[08:23] <zenrox> but k3b is as close as you can get to nero on nix
[08:23] <bob2> er, you're upgrading to hoary just for firefox?
[08:23] <bob2> that's a pretty terrible idea
[08:23] <zenrox> ya when you can use backports
[08:24] <poningru> search sourceforge you will find many many apps that can be put together that as a combination will surpass nero
[08:24] <froust> techn9ne, i got some error messages - is that normal?
[08:24] <bob2> the backports aren't such a hot idea either
[08:24] <froust> bugger.
[08:24] <froust> too late :(
[08:24] <zenrox> but better the going to hoary for 1 package file
[08:25] <bob2> yeah
[08:25] <froust> he said that it wasn't upgrading to hoary
[08:25] <nxterra> zenrox, oka gocha :)
[08:25] <bob2> might have problems upgrading to hoary later, but it shouldn't be too bad
[08:25] <froust> okay
[08:25] <froust> hahah
[08:25] <zenrox> hoary is ok
[08:25] <froust> i'm completely lost
[08:25] <zenrox> flaky some times
[08:25] <zenrox> but other wise usable
[08:26] <froust> i didn't even know i was upgrading
[08:26] <zenrox> thats why i reinstalled warty
[08:26] <froust> smrt.
[08:27] <froust> how can i tell if i'm in hoary or warthog?
[08:27] <bob2> you're using warty
[08:27] <darmou> Does nautilus do dvd burning?
[08:27] <froust> i thought i just upgraded to hoary?
[08:28] <zenrox> was hoary upgrade to warty then got tired of it breaking all the time and reinstalled warty
[08:28] <bob2> I have no idea, I can't see your computer
[08:28] <froust> i know - i'm wondering how i can tell which one i have
[08:28] <binReapr> I think im not going back to windows.. ever... well, maybe just for gaming :P
[08:28] <bob2> froust: what have you done?
[08:29] <zenrox> froust, alt+crtl+f1-7
[08:29] <nxterra> cd roast is not bad for burning
[08:29] <froust> i added this line to my sources.list "deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe"
[08:29] <nxterra> if your a gtk purist :)
[08:29] <bob2> then you're using waryt
[08:29] <binReapr> bob2: is there some ati fix for radeons?
[08:29] <froust> and then did apt-get update apt-get upgrade
[08:29] <froust> warty-backports-staging rather
[08:30] <sensebend> binReapr, it exists and it's called nVidia
[08:30] <poningru> http://www.rage3d.com/content/articles/atilinuxhowto/
[08:30] <bob2> binReapr: no idea
[08:31] <sensebend> if you need the propretary ATI drivers isn't it easier to install them via the repositories?
[08:31] <bob2> yes
[08:31] <binReapr> thnx poninguru
[08:33] <binReapr> I have a question.... if I burn all my downloaded packages and give synaptics  the location, they will appear on the listing?
[08:34] <bob2> nope
[08:34] <bob2> run 'dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages' in that dir and it will
[08:35] <sphex> hi there
[08:35] <binReapr> like 'dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null/my archives'  ??
[08:35] <sphex> how to disable gdm so that X doesn't start automatically on boot?
[08:36] <Duffman> hey i just installed ubuntu but i dont think I added a user during the install how do i log in?
[08:36] <nxterra> anyone know whats wrong with the time sync?
[08:36] <bob2> binReapr: no, exactly what I said
[08:36] <binReapr> I thin it wont let you install without user so you must have one
[08:37] <binReapr> ok bob2, thnx
[08:37] <bob2> sphex: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S*gdm
[08:37] <bob2> Duffman: yes, it asked you for a username as password during the install
[08:37] <bob2> nxterra: 'wrong'?
[08:37] <Duffman> it asked me if i wanted to bin i said no because i thought it would let me log in root
[08:37] <sphex> bob2: ok thx.
[08:37] <Duffman> then i wanted to chance it
[08:37] <sphex> bob2: and how to.. enable it again?
[08:38] <Duffman> /join ##linuxforums
[08:38] <Duffman> gah
[08:40] <Duffman> gah i will just reinstall
[08:40] <bob2> sphex: update-rc.d ntpdate defaults
[08:40] <binReapr> if all command are with sudo, in kde how do I get root acces ? it asks everytime I want to modify some settings and it won't allow me
[08:41] <sphex> bob2: ntpdate?
[08:42] <nxterra> bob2, during boot time sync fails...I am central time america yet my time is 7:43pm
[08:42] <HostingGeek> OMG is apt-get b0rken
[08:43] <chibif1> :O
[08:43] <HostingGeek> there is a bug saying it segfaults
[08:43] <chibif1> What happened to applications:///?
[08:44] <chibif1> Did gnome finally switch to the freedesktop menu?
[08:44] <zenrox> chibif1, that dont exist in hoary
[08:44] <Riddell> binReapr: you can't unfortunatly, it's on my todo list of things to fix, in the mean time you have to set a root password
[08:44] <HostingGeek> chibif1: yes
[08:44] <chibif1> Awesomeness :D
[08:44] <HostingGeek> kde is SLOW
[08:44] <HostingGeek> VERY SLOW
[08:45] <nevyn> gnome is way slower than kde
[08:45] <nevyn> after I prelinked stuff
[08:45] <HostingGeek> no it not
[08:45] <nevyn> :)
[08:45] <HostingGeek> gnome is way faster
[08:45] <nevyn> yes it is on my box.
[08:45] <HostingGeek> gedit opens in 2 seconds here in gnome
[08:46] <nevyn> gnome takes more than a minute to log in. kde is about 30 seconds
[08:46] <Cam> lol
[08:46] <HostingGeek> kwrite the same thing as gedit open in 12seconds in kde
[08:46] <Cam> does it not depend on how it was built, etc
[08:46] <Cam> varies from different distros?
[08:46] <nevyn> Cam: a lot.
[08:46] <HostingGeek> nevyn: LET ME GUESS YOUR STARTING OPEN OFFICE AND LOGIN
[08:46] <binReapr> damn it, I need the bzip2 dev files, are they in universe?
[08:47] <nevyn> HostingGeek: nope.
[08:47] <HostingGeek> oooopops
[08:47] <chibif1> KDE has a few advantages, IMO, but not enough to switch to it. A) Konqueror, B) The way QT renders widgets.
[08:47] <HostingGeek> stupid caps lock
[08:47] <bob2> sphex: er, gdm
[08:47] <chibif1> I'd never use it just for those, though :P
[08:47] <Cam> i heard rumours like CPP is slower on linux
[08:47] <Cam> blah blah
[08:47] <Cam> lol
[08:47] <bob2> nxterra: ok...
[08:47] <nevyn> chibif1: that's a drawback when we swich to an alternate X server
[08:47] <HostingGeek> on my system gnome login in 15 seconds
[08:47] <crimsun> nevyn's observations are perfectly valid for him. KDE 3.3.2 tends to start up faster than GNOME 2.9.1 on my system, but there are so many factors involved.
[08:48] <HostingGeek> crimsun: upgrade to gnome 2.9.3
[08:48] <bob2> chill guys, benchmarks aren't attacks :)
[08:48] <chibif1> XFCE :D
[08:48] <HostingGeek> yes it biggest thing is what is starting up with those logins
[08:48] <nevyn> prelinking makes a massive difference to kde startup times.
[08:48] <Crane> hello again
[08:48] <sphex> bob2: ok great, thx
[08:48] <HostingGeek> xfce can take 1 min to load if i start it with 10 apps
[08:48] <nevyn> sure.
[08:48] <chibif1> o_O.. Xfce has no load time for me.
[08:49] <nevyn> but I'm talking about nautilus + panels and metacity.
[08:49] <HostingGeek> nevyn: kde is bloat ware and slow
[08:49] <Cam> i just like to use what i enjoy and feel most comfortable using. its such a personal choice
[08:49] <bob2> HostingGeek: please?
[08:49] <Duffman> does it matter if he like it better let him
[08:49] <Cam> benchmarks dont mean jack.
[08:49] <bob2> Cam: exactly
[08:49] <HostingGeek> chibif1: please start it with open office and say that again
[08:49] <bob2> use whatever you like
[08:49] <nevyn> Cam: ooh you're a debian person.
[08:50] <chibif1> Open Office is slow :P
[08:50] <Cam> not really, ubuntu is my first ;)
[08:50] <HostingGeek> join #ubuntu-ontopic to cont.
[08:50] <Cam> im like a debian virgin.
[08:50] <Crane> lol
[08:50] <Crane> If you enjoy using a certain program then just use it
[08:50] <nevyn> Cam: just repeat after me: -march=i686 does not provide a significant speedup over -march=i386
[08:50] <Crane> I like gnome not the fastest but I like it
[08:51] <Cam> lol sure.. :|
[08:51] <nevyn> Cam: sse, sse2, mmx and mmx2 have no usefulness on most programs
[08:51] <nevyn> see you're set.
[08:51] <Cam> lol
[08:52] <HostingGeek> NOOOOOOO
[08:52] <HostingGeek> apt-get is not b0rken
[08:52] <nevyn> yeah it is..
[08:52] <HostingGeek> and the bug is still open
[08:52] <nevyn> pretty atrociously.
[08:52] <nevyn> it can't do http reliably
[08:53] <nevyn> http_apt_backend or whatever it is.. sucks rocks.
[08:53] <bob2> nevyn: never had a problem here...is there a bug open about it?
[08:53] <nevyn> bob2: talk to the apt-proxy people about apt.
[08:53] <nevyn> bob2: our cache we wrote in house adapt (a different apt proxy thing)
[08:53] <bob2> apt-proxy is terrible
[08:54] <Cam> *waits patiently for hoary to screw warty*
[08:54] <HostingGeek> bob2: in the ubuntu BTS there is one saying apt segfaults AND ITS OPEN
[08:54] <nevyn> bob2: apt is terrible.
[08:54] <bob2> it's written in shell and uses dd to communicate data around
[08:54] <nevyn> bob2: the new version is in python I thought
[08:54] <bob2> nevyn: works for most people almost all of the time *shrug*
[08:54] <nevyn> adapt is written in python
[08:54] <bob2> nevyn: ah, v2 is, yeah
[08:54] <bob2> HostingGeek: ok...
[08:55] <nevyn> bob2: adapt does a couple of useful things. it caches Packages.gz it supports holding a source as in setting it's "bad-hair-day" flag
[08:56] <bob2> ah, neat
[08:56] <nevyn> but apt_http_method or whatever the thing is really does suck rocks.
[08:56] <nevyn> it doesn't respect http version negotiation
[08:57] <nevyn> caching packages.gz is very handy if you have multiple debian machines and you're on dialup
[08:57] <binReapr> how do I install a rpm? I couldn found any bzip2 development files in deb format
[08:57] <nevyn> binReapr: what's the rpm of?
[08:57] <Cam> er
[08:57] <binReapr> bzip2 development files
[08:57] <nevyn> binReapr: ummm bzip2 development stuff should be in universe.
[08:58] <chibif1> Use Alien? So you don't need a whole extra package management system?
[08:58] <nevyn> libbz2-dev
[08:58] <nevyn> umm he shouldn't be doing this .
[08:58] <nevyn> it's availible in either the standard ubuntu stuff or in universe
[08:59] <Taliesin2> hello all
[08:59] <binReapr> nevyn thank you very much, my search string was bas, thank you
[08:59] <binReapr> bad
[09:00] <Taliesin2> I am trying to get some info on this ditro
[09:00] <Taliesin2> is this the one that is installed at schools
[09:00] <Taliesin2> in south africa
[09:00] <Taliesin2> by the shuttleworth foundation
[09:01] <bob2> could be
[09:01] <bob2> info@canonical.com would be the best place to ask that sort of thing
[09:01] <Cam> Taliesin2: theres alot of information on the website
[09:01] <froust> ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the Macromedia Flash Player installer.
[09:01] <bob2> but mark certainly is our boss
[09:01] <Taliesin2> kewl
[09:01] <nevyn> froust: yep. that's correct
[09:01] <froust> is there a version of flash for amd64?
[09:01] <Taliesin2> are the clients dumb terminals or are the stand alones?
[09:01] <nxterra> another question :) -- I installed firestarter however, it prompts me for a root password...I never created a root password!
[09:02] <Cam> Taliesin2: another place to look would be distrowatch.com
[09:02] <binReapr> where can I find info on how to get root access in kde?
[09:02] <nevyn> nxterra: how did you install firestarter?
[09:02] <nxterra> nevyn, synapic
[09:02] <chibif1> bin- You can still use gksudo with kde.
[09:02] <Taliesin2> We are trying to decide which server is best to port our learning management system
[09:02] <nxterra> nevyn, synaptic
[09:02] <bob2> Taliesin2: I don't think anyone here will know that sort of detail...asking the address I suggested would be the best idea, I think.
[09:02] <nevyn> nxterra: heard you.
[09:02] <bob2> binReapr: in the FAQ
[09:02] <Taliesin2> thank you
[09:03] <nxterra> just spelling right ;)
[09:03] <nevyn> is firestarter in supported?
[09:03] <bob2> no
[09:03] <Cam> Taliesin2: i might be able to help you depending on your problem
[09:03] <Taliesin2> well
[09:03] <Taliesin2> we have spent 2 years on a LMS
[09:04] <Taliesin2> php and mysql based
[09:04] <nxterra> maybe it came from the universal repos..but still...you should be able to access it :)
[09:04] <Taliesin2> now they would like to release it
[09:04] <Taliesin2> they want me to make sure that it works on a linux distro
[09:04] <Taliesin2> specifically the one that they use at the schools
[09:04] <nevyn> nxterra: you can set a root password. if you're using things from universe it might be nessicary
[09:04] <Cam> and you have contacted the schools to find out the distrobution they are running?
[09:05] <nxterra> nevyn, how can I set a root password
[09:05] <Taliesin2> when we go to the web apps conferences we speak to people
[09:05] <Cam> Taliesin: chances are if its mysql/php and doesnt include any client side, trying it on all of the browsers will do the job. not per distrobution
[09:05] <chibif1> sudo passwd
[09:05] <bob2> nxterra: it's in the FAQ
[09:05] <bob2> please read it
[09:05] <Taliesin2> no cam
[09:05] <Taliesin2> I am thinking of a local server
[09:06] <Cam> server.
[09:06] <Taliesin2> a server for each school
[09:06] <Taliesin2> use LMS server
[09:06] <Cam> okay
[09:06] <Taliesin2> runs all courses
[09:06] <Cam> and your trying to find a linux distro to do that?
[09:06] <Taliesin2> student management
[09:06] <Taliesin2> I am trying to find out if they are dumb terminals
[09:06] <Taliesin2> if there is a server at each school
[09:06] <da_bon_bon> hey all. wassup ?
[09:06] <nevyn> Taliesin2: so you want to provide this server or run it on their infastructure?
[09:06] <Taliesin2> or are the all standalone
[09:06] <bob2> Taliesin2: you definitely want to email info@, they will be very interested to hear this
[09:06] <Stew2> Is there an FAQ for installing NVidia drivers?
[09:07] <bob2> Stew2: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:07] <Taliesin2> preferrable run it on there server
[09:07] <Taliesin2> its a damn site easier to use than kewl in my baised opinion
[09:07] <Taliesin2> and a hell of a lot more pretty
[09:08] <Taliesin2> The people at UKZN want to work with the community
[09:09] <Taliesin2> seems you get somewhere a lot quicker like that
[09:09] <bob2> yes
[09:09] <bob2> I would strongly recommend emailing info@canonical.com about this
[09:09] <Taliesin2> I am typing away
[09:10] <bob2> cool
[09:10] <Riddell> binReapr: sudo passwd  set a password
[09:11] <froust> damn flash and it not working
[09:13] <bob2> the proprietary one won't work unless macromedia has deigned to release it
[09:14] <neighborlee> does ubuntu  use firewall of anykind after install..I can't get dcc to work with anyone in xchat << ??? ;-)
[09:14] <bob2> not by default
[09:14] <Duffman> you got a router?
[09:14] <sensebend> neighborlee, are you behind a NAT router?
[09:15] <neighborlee> no router..just a intel 5 port hub
[09:15] <sensebend> well neighborlee under X-chat preferences DCC IP address try placing your public IP address in the box
[09:16] <sensebend> and clicking ok
[09:16] <sensebend> and sending again
[09:16] <neighborlee> ok
[09:16] <sensebend> it's a shot in the dark
[09:16] <neighborlee> thx trying that <<<
[09:16] <neighborlee> yeah
[09:22] <jintonic> how do i upgrade to firefox 1.0? (i wouldn't be asking this but the install from getfirefox.com seems to have failed)
[09:23] <techn9ne> jintonic, backport
[09:23] <jintonic> warty
[09:23] <techn9ne> jintonic, http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[09:24] <techn9ne> or download the firefox tar and tar zxvf firefox.tgz -C /opt/
[09:24] <techn9ne> backport will work better though
[09:24] <techn9ne> i would not recommend pinning
[09:24] <darmou> does anyone know if the 2.6.10 kernel has smt hyperthreading turned on by default?
[09:26] <crimsun> darmou: CONFIG_X86_HT=y
[09:27] <darmou> thanks crimsun
[09:27] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: hiya
[09:27] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: 'lo
[09:27] <darmou> Well I did upgrade to firefox 1 and now I can't install any search engines:(
[09:27] <binReapr> l8r
[09:28] <darmou> I have no idea if you can install them manually sigh
[09:28] <jintonic> pinning?
[09:28] <da_bon_bon> darmou: "install search engines" whats that supposed to mean ?
[09:28] <carthik> Is there a good pdf editor for linux that anyone knows of?
[09:29] <darmou> In the top hand corner there are a few default search engines such as goodle and ebay if you try to install other ones such as wickpedia it stuffs up
[09:29] <darmou> google even
[09:29] <jintonic> gpdf, xpdf, acroread are popular pdf readers, i prefer gpdf
[09:29] <darmou> as opposed to acroread?
[09:30] <jintonic> yeah
[09:30] <HcE> jintonic: either of them can _edit_ a PDF
[09:30] <Cyberjames> anyone used courier-imap?
[09:30] <HcE> carthik: I prefer using pdflatex when making PDFs, or you could just make PDFs from openoffice
[09:31] <crimsun> darmou: apologies, I gave you the incorrect Kconfig variable: it's actually SCHED_SMT, which is set to "y"
[09:31] <jintonic> woops, haha
[09:31] <jintonic> i edited out "edit"
[09:31] <jintonic> :P
[09:31] <jintonic> gnite ev'rybody
[09:31] <crimsun> 'night
[09:32] <carthik> HcE, I have a pdf doc I need to add a copyright statement to, on top... any tools?
[09:33] <HcE> carthik: think you have a small issue, I've never edited the PDF file, I have problem doing it with Acrobat 6.0 Pro too
[09:33] <HcE> :P
[09:34] <carthik> HcE I tried converting it to ps, and then using Xfig, but the ps quality sucks
[09:35] <mebaran> anybody able to help with a strange module issue
[09:35] <mebaran> first time on irc
[09:35] <mebaran> so thanks for anything anyone can point me too
[09:35] <mebaran> to
[09:35] <Vaportrail> are there some "usefull" games for linux?
[09:35] <Vaportrail> mebaran just ask
[09:35] <mebaran> ok
[09:35] <mebaran> well I am trying to set up the nvidia driver
[09:35] <mebaran> in Ubuntu
[09:36] <mebaran> but the module never seems to unpack
[09:36] <mebaran> Synaptic does not report any errors
[09:36] <mebaran> everything looks like it when exactly as it should have
[09:36] <mebaran> but modprobe fails
[09:36] <Vaportrail> did you do sudo modprobe nvidia?
[09:36] <mebaran> I made sure that I have nvidia-glx installed too
[09:36] <mebaran> yeah
[09:36] <mebaran> I tried
[09:36] <Vaportrail> or only modprobe nvidia without sudo?
[09:36] <grepper> carthik, did you try print to a ps file ?
[09:36] <mebaran> I get a fatal error
[09:37] <mebaran> that the module cant be found
[09:37] <mebaran> I made sure I was root
[09:37] <carthik> grepper, yeah, I used pdf2ps which uses ghostscript ...
[09:37] <echelon0> mebaran: are you running a custom kernel?
[09:37] <Vaportrail> and you did: "sudo modprobe nvidia"?
[09:37] <Vaportrail> ah k
[09:37] <mebaran> nope
[09:37] <mebaran> stock ubuntu kernel
[09:37] <mebaran> for a k8 system
[09:37] <grepper> carthik, well, I was thinking of the option on the print menu, not sure if it uses something else
[09:37] <mebaran> the module versions line up too
[09:38] <Vaportrail> ah, no idea with 64 bit :|
[09:38] <mebaran> heheh
[09:38] <mebaran> yeah
[09:38] <echelon0> mebaran: what error do you get?
[09:38] <mebaran> FATAL: Module not found
[09:38] <mebaran> something like that
[09:38] <mebaran> the module isnt in the path
[09:38] <mebaran> I had to compile it before on Debian
[09:39] <mebaran> and this seemed like such a great way to save me the trouble
[09:39] <echelon0> sean@sean2k:~ $ find /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/ -name nvidia*
[09:39] <echelon0> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/char/agp/nvidia-agp.ko
[09:39] <echelon0> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko
[09:39] <Cam> woohoo 85% before hoary kicks warty :|
[09:39] <Cam> screws
[09:39] <echelon0> oops, sorry for the ugly formatting
[09:39] <mebaran> np
[09:39] <carthik> grepper, same results..... printer and pdf2ps both use ghostscript
[09:39] <echelon0> mebaran: try that out. find /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/ -name nvidia
[09:39] <carthik> grepper, I tried printing, just to be sure
[09:39] <echelon0> replacing the kernel version with yours if different
[09:40] <Duffman> http://www.p2punite.net/
[09:40] <Duffman> opps
[09:40] <echelon0> ubuntu is freaking bad ass. loving it.
[09:40] <mebaran> nope
[09:40] <mebaran> nothing
[09:40] <Vaportrail> loving it, too :)
[09:40] <mebaran> root@mebtux:/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-amd64-k8 # ls
[09:40] <mebaran> boot    modules.alias   modules.ieee1394map  modules.pcimap
[09:40] <mebaran> initrd  modules.ccwmap  modules.inputmap     modules.symbols
[09:40] <mebaran> kernel  modules.dep     modules.isapnpmap    modules.usbmap
[09:40] <mebaran> it is awfully pretty
[09:40] <Vaportrail> mebaran, ever tryed to compile it urself?
[09:40] <echelon0> mebaran: the module isn't installed then
[09:41] <mebaran> yeah
[09:41] <mebaran> I didnt think so
[09:41] <mebaran> yeah
[09:41] <echelon0> mebaran: what does dpkg -l |grep nvidia say?
[09:41] <mebaran> I compiled it before using modutils in debian
[09:41] <Vaportrail> are you beavis or butthead? :P
[09:41] <mebaran> oh
[09:42] <mebaran> ii  nvidia-glx     1.0.6111-1ubun NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver
[09:42] <mebaran> ii  nvidia-kernel- 1.0.6111+1ubun NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[09:42] <mebaran> ii  nvidia-setting 1.0-3          Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driv
[09:42] <mebaran> looks like everything I installed
[09:42] <echelon0> Vaportrail: the ubuntuforums are so damn useful. i'm discovering all kinds of things i never knew about, like gdesklets :)
[09:42] <mebaran> except the module
[09:42] <mebaran> haha
[09:42] <echelon0> mebaran: try this. "find /lib -name nvidia*"
[09:42] <mebaran> gdesklets are nice
[09:42] <echelon0> yeah, i dig 'em
[09:43] <mebaran> under kernel drivers
[09:43] <mebaran> finds nvidia.ko
[09:43] <Vaportrail> echelon0, the whole community is so outstanding nice and helpful
[09:43] <echelon0> Vaportrail: definitely
[09:43] <mebaran> yeah it actually is
[09:43] <echelon0> mebaran: sounds like your module is installed in the "wrong" place
[09:43] <mebaran> yeah
[09:43] <mebaran> that is what it looks like now
[09:44] <mebaran> I wonder why
[09:44] <echelon0> what directory? what's your uname -a say?
[09:44] <mebaran> uname -a spouts out /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-amd64-k8 # Linux mebtux 2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic #1 Tue Oct 12 11:40:38 UTC 2004 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:45] <mebaran> the whole kernel installation seems borked too
[09:45] <mebaran> whenever I try to add a new kernel image
[09:45] <echelon0> there's your problem
[09:45] <mebaran> yeah
[09:45] <echelon0> did you perform a kernel upgrade and not reboot yet?
[09:45] <mebaran> no
[09:45] <mebaran> rebboted twice
[09:45] <mebaran> but grub seems to be confused
[09:45] <echelon0> oh, i see.
[09:45] <mebaran> the symlinkx to my initrd
[09:45] <mebaran> says it links to the right kernel
[09:46] <mebaran> whenever I add a new kernel image
[09:46] <mebaran> grub complains that it never was installed
[09:46] <jintonic> wow, daniels... i hope this isn't you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniels
[09:46] <mebaran> I might try reinstalling
[09:46] <echelon0> your module is installed in 2.6.8.1-4-amd64-k8, but you're running 2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic
[09:46] <jintonic> ;)
[09:46] <mebaran> yeah
[09:46] <echelon0> mebaran: you can edit /boot/grub/menu.1st and change the default kernel. or make sure it's in there
[09:46] <mebaran> I thought I installed them all
[09:46] <mebaran> I dont have menu.1st
[09:46] <mebaran> that is what threw me for a loop
[09:46] <Vaportrail> jintonic: I think he isn't one of the Enterprise crew :P
[09:47] <jintonic> hehehe
[09:47] <echelon0> eh? no menu.1st? do you have files in there? are you using grub?
[09:47] <jintonic> maybe once a month?
[09:47] <mebaran> grub is empty
[09:47] <mebaran> yeah
[09:47] <Vaportrail> lol
[09:47] <fmazoit> Is there any ubuntu developper here?
[09:47] <mebaran> I get a grup menu
[09:47] <mebaran> grub
[09:47] <mebaran> sorry
[09:47] <crimsun> fmazoit: quite a few, just ask.
[09:47] <fmazoit> I have a suggestion to solve a bug in hoary
[09:47] <mebaran> config-2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic      System.map-2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic
[09:47] <mebaran> config-2.6.8.1-4-amd64-generic      System.map-2.6.8.1-4-amd64-generic
[09:47] <mebaran> config-2.6.8.1-4-amd64-k8           System.map-2.6.8.1-4-amd64-k8
[09:47] <mebaran> grub                                vmlinuz
[09:47] <mebaran> initrd.img                          vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic
[09:47] <mebaran> initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic  vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-4-amd64-generic
[09:48] <mebaran> initrd.img-2.6.8.1-4-amd64-generic  vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-4-amd64-k8
[09:48] <echelon0> mebaran: i'd uninstall the nvidia module first
[09:48] <mebaran> initrd.img-2.6.8.1-4-amd64-k8       vmlinuz.old
[09:48] <mebaran> initrd.img.old
[09:48] <mebaran> total contents
[09:48] <mebaran> yeah
[09:48] <mebaran> I would probably start all over with a new clean grub install
[09:48] <mebaran> see if that does any magic
[09:48] <mebaran> you think that shoudl work?
[09:48] <fmazoit> in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UTFEightCurrentProblems, it says that latex has problems with utf-8
[09:48] <echelon0> mebaran: i'm not sure. i'm not too experienced with grub.
[09:49] <echelon0> mebaran: but your problem with the nvidia driver that your module is installed in a different path than your running, current kernel.
[09:49] <mebaran> yeah
[09:49] <mebaran> I figured that
[09:49] <mebaran> but I would also prefer to use the kernel suited to my Athlon64 K8
[09:49] <fmazoit> I this that the universe package latex-ucs and latex-ucs-contrib can help sove that
[09:49] <mgedmin> does anyone know why it is necessary to stop and restart hotplug in the acpi sleep script?
[09:49] <mebaran> it seems awfully odd that grub isnt making a menu.1st
[09:50] <fmazoit> I think they should be included in tetex by default
[09:50] <echelon0> mebaran: try this
[09:50] <mebaran> ok
[09:50] <echelon0> mebaran: update-grub should create one
[09:50] <mebaran> yeah
[09:50] <mebaran> update-grub\
[09:50] <mebaran> complains
[09:50] <mebaran> that it cant though
[09:50] <echelon0> what's it say?
[09:50] <mebaran> let me show you th error
[09:51] <mebaran> Searching for GRUB installation directory ...
[09:51] <mebaran> No GRUB directory found.
[09:51] <mebaran>  To create a template run 'mkdir /boot/grub' first.
[09:51] <mebaran>  To install grub, install it manually or try the 'grub-install' command.
[09:51] <mebaran>  ### Warning, grub-install is used to change your MBR. ###
[09:51] <mebaran> I tried the template method
[09:51] <mebaran> and made the directory it asked for
[09:51] <mebaran> but it doesnt seem to do much
[09:51] <mebaran> by the way thanks for the great help
[09:51] <echelon0> the grub package is installed?
[09:51] <mebaran> yeah
[09:51] <mebaran> grub package is installed
[09:51] <fmazoit> Where do you think I should report this proposal?
[09:51] <mebaran> grub is my boot loader
[09:51] <echelon0> tried reinstalling it via apt/synaptic?
[09:52] <mebaran> yep
[09:52] <mebaran> just now
[09:52] <mebaran> didnt seem to change much
[09:52] <echelon0> mebaran: are you running warty?
[09:52] <mebaran> yep
[09:52] <mebaran> Warty AMD64
[09:52] <echelon0> hm
[09:52] <mebaran> locales
[09:52] <mebaran> also
[09:53] <echelon0> what kind of kernel stuff have you changed/installed?
[09:53] <mebaran> was broken for awhile
[09:53] <mebaran> nothing
[09:53] <mebaran> clean install tonight
[09:53] <mebaran> replace a hosed debian install
[09:53] <mebaran> decided to try Ubuntu because it looked a tad better than debian and bit more cohesive
[09:53] <mkerby> bob2, you were right. My installation problems were caused by the cd. I burned another using a different program and it worked fine.
[09:53] <mkerby> I have Ubuntu now!
[09:53] <echelon0> mebaran: my experience is that's generally true
[09:53] <mebaran> yeah
[09:54] <mebaran> it looked like it
[09:54] <bob2> hah, thought so
[09:54] <mebaran> so far it does everything just as well
[09:54] <mkerby> Just one more question: how do I enable NNTP?
[09:54] <mebaran> but still
[09:54] <bob2> 'enable'?
[09:54] <bob2> you mean install a nntp server?
[09:54] <mebaran> there are a quire a few more bugs than I had in Debian Unstable
[09:54] <nevyn> or an nntp client?
[09:54] <mebaran> locales had to be manually fixed
[09:54] <echelon0> mebaran: have you installed the linux-restricted-modules package for your arch?
[09:54] <bob2> yes, hoary is unstable
[09:54] <mebaran> yes
[09:55] <mebaran> all amd64
[09:55] <mebaran> yeah
[09:55] <mebaran> but Warty seems a bit buggier than Debian
[09:55] <mebaran> then again it does more for you
[09:55] <echelon0> what linux-images do you have installed? (what does dpkg/synaptic show?)
[09:55] <mkerby> I'm so sleepy now I can barely think. When I tried to set the clock it said something about enabling NNTP.
[09:55] <echelon0> mkerby: NTP
[09:55] <bob2> mkerby: ntp
[09:55] <bob2> mkerby: 'sudo ntpdate'.
[09:55] <bob2> in a terminal
[09:55] <mebaran> Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8.1 on AMD K8
[09:56] <echelon0> bob2: is that all it is? i thought you had to install some ntp packages
[09:56] <mebaran> Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8.1 on x86_64.
[09:56] <mebaran> ntpdate
[09:56] <mebaran> also for me
[09:56] <mebaran> points to the wrong server
[09:56] <mebaran> points ntp.unbuntulinux.org
[09:56] <mebaran> but the address is dead
[09:56] <bob2> no it's not
[09:56] <Vaportrail> a list of ntp servers: http://ntp.isc.org/bin/view/Servers/NTPPoolServers
[09:57] <mebaran> oh
[09:57] <echelon0> for me, i installed ntp-server and was able to add ntp servers via Time & Date in the menu
[09:57] <mebaran> it always reports for me DNS error
[09:57] <mebaran> on the standard one
[09:57] <bob2> well, it's a local problem to you
[09:57] <mebaran> yeah
[09:57] <mebaran> I guess
[09:57] <mebaran> no big deal
[09:57] <mebaran> 5 seconds never killed anyone
[09:57] <echelon0> mebaran: what about other kernel images?
[09:58] <echelon0> you're not running either of the two you just listed.
[09:58] <mebaran> yeah
[09:58] <echelon0> how did you install what you're running now>?
[09:58] <mebaran> I just manually created a menu.1st
[09:58] <mebaran> oh
[09:58] <mebaran> from the CD
[09:59] <mebaran> it was really bugged out though
[09:59] <mebaran> the hwdetection needs work
[09:59] <mebaran> not nearly as bad as yoper
[09:59] <mebaran> but I had to load half the modules by hand
[09:59] <echelon0> what does "dpkg -l |grep linux-image"
[09:59] <echelon0> mebaran: depends on your hardware. i've had it work fine on 3 different machines
[10:00] <echelon0> all with different hardware
[10:00] <bob2> mebaran: for example?
[10:00] <echelon0> bios settings, notably ACPI, can screw things up
[10:00] <mebaran> yeah
[10:00] <mebaran> I checked my bios
[10:00] <bob2> it should work fine for anything vageluy modern (ie pci)
[10:00] <mebaran> yeah
[10:00] <echelon0> yup
[10:00] <mkerby> I just tried and it said no servers could be used.
[10:00] <mebaran> mine is a bit too new
[10:01] <techn9ne> ive found a couple computers where ubuntu just wont work
[10:01] <bob2> probably not
[10:01] <mebaran> I knew it would come this way
[10:01] <techn9ne> and ive heard other ppl say that too
[10:01] <bob2> but please file bugs if you think that's true
[10:01] <mkerby> That is, I tried sudo ntpdate
[10:01] <bob2> techn9ne: please file bugs
[10:01] <mebaran> got a new developmetn dual opteron rig
[10:01] <mebaran> going
[10:01] <mkerby> Should I install ntp-server?
[10:01] <mebaran> so I think the hardware might be a bit too new
[10:01] <mebaran> yeah
[10:01] <bob2> mkerby: sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org
[10:01] <echelon0> mebaran:does "dpkg -l |grep linux-image"
[10:01] <bob2> mkerby: er, no
[10:02] <mebaran> ii  linux-image-2. 2.6.8.1-14     Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on x86_64
[10:02] <mebaran> ii  linux-image-2. 2.6.8.1-14     Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on AMD K8
[10:02] <mebaran> ii  linux-image-2. 2.6.8.1-16.1   Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8.1 on x8
[10:02] <mebaran> ii  linux-image-2. 2.6.8.1-16.8   Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8.1 on x8
[10:02] <mebaran> ii  linux-image-2. 2.6.8.1-16.8   Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8.1 on AM
[10:02] <mebaran> ii  linux-image-am 2.6.8.1-14     Linux kernel image on x86_64.
[10:02] <mebaran> ii  linux-image-am 2.6.8.1-14     Linux kernel image on AMD K8.
[10:02] <mebaran> sorry for the poor formatting
[10:02] <mebaran> the images that I installed are there
[10:02] <fabbione> stop flooding the channel
[10:02] <fabbione> use #flood
[10:02] <mebaran> oh
[10:02] <mebaran> thanks
[10:03] <echelon0> mebaran: you might want to remove images you're definitely not running
[10:03] <mebaran> well
[10:03] <mebaran> two of them
[10:03] <mebaran> are the ones that link to the newest kernel
[10:03] <echelon0> i.e. x86
[10:03] <mebaran> one of them is a fallback
[10:03] <bob2> please try to put complete sentences on one line, too, it makes it a lot easier to follow
[10:03] <mebaran> ok sorry, bad habits dies hard
[10:04] <mebaran> yeah, the images are pretty set for what I was used too
[10:04] <mebaran> I think I fixed my grub problem though
[10:04] <mkerby> Thanks! It worked great.
[10:04] <mebaran> if you manually create the file menu.1st, it rights itselfs
[10:04] <bob2> you don't need to edit menu.lst when you install kernels from Ubuntu
[10:04] <mebaran> yeah
[10:04] <bob2> er, no, you don't need to touch it at all
[10:04] <mebaran> but my grub install seemed to forget to make a menu.1st
[10:05] <mebaran> at all
[10:05] <mebaran> it just symlinked
[10:05] <mkerby> I'm gonna have to get used to this. After Mandrake and even windows, Ubuntu is dead easy.
[10:05] <bob2> the default way works fine
[10:05] <bob2> you do not need to fiddle with the grub config at all
[10:05] <mebaran> the grub config that it set out
[10:06] <bob2> is fine
[10:06] <mebaran> didnt seem to allow me to switch kernels
[10:06] <bob2> yes, it does
[10:06] <bob2> it lists them all in the boot menu
[10:06] <mebaran> well it listed only one option when I had four kernels
[10:06] <mebaran> yeah
[10:06] <mebaran> the boot menu had one option
[10:06] <bob2> well, works for other people
[10:06] <mebaran> yeah
[10:06] <mebaran> I had a hard install
[10:06] <mebaran> must have been bad media or something
[10:07] <mebaran> the locales pkg was completely uninstallabe
[10:07] <mebaran> but it seems to be working fine now
[10:07] <echelon0> don't think so. you're done a lot of fiddling.
[10:07] <echelon0> *ou've
[10:07] <mebaran> yeah
[10:07] <echelon0> you've even
[10:07] <mebaran> jsut now
[10:07] <mebaran> cant fiddle until you install :)
[10:07] <mebaran> haha
[10:07] <mebaran> yep
[10:07] <mebaran> but isnt fiddling half the fun?
[10:08] <echelon0> sure, just don't be surprised when things break
[10:08] <mebaran> yeah I wont
[10:08] <mebaran> thanks fo ryour help anyway
[10:08] <echelon0> sure thing. good luck. i'm off to bed. night all
[10:08] <mebaran> night
[10:08] <mebaran> gnight all
[10:08] <Vaportrail> man, my whole chest hurts and I don't know why
[10:09] <bob2> that's probably about the point you call a doctor
[10:09] <Vaportrail> bob2, if it doesn't stop I will, yes
[10:10] <hannes__> jus take some pain-killers
[10:10] <hannes__> *just
[10:10] <hannes__> it'll help
[10:10] <bob2> that's such amazingly terrible advice
[10:10] <gsuveg> anybody use gimp22 on warty ?
[10:10] <Vaportrail> I'm not the medication guy
[10:10] <randabis-wireles> hahah
[10:10] <randabis-wireles> no, running hoary here
[10:11] <randabis-wireles> and I don't do graphics
[10:11] <mkerby> I'm going to bed now. Goodnight and thanks so much.
[10:13] <cam> okay i got a error
[10:13] <cam> when doing my urpmi dist-upgrade to hoary
[10:14] <bob2> er, you mean apt-get, right?
[10:14] <cam> lol
[10:14] <cam> yeh
[10:14] <cam> woops
[10:14] <cam> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:14] <cam>  /var/cache/apt/archives/gimp-data_2.2.0+rel-2ubuntu1_all.deb
[10:14] <cam> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:14] <bob2> that's not enough information
[10:14] <cam> ex fedora user =P
[10:14] <bob2> paste the stuff from before that to #flood
[10:15] <HostingGeek> OMG a node user
[10:15] <HostingGeek> cam: please make your way to #ubuntu-ontopic while we talk
[10:17] <techn9ne> whats the apt-get name for gnome baker?
[10:17] <jdub> techn9ne: there's no package
[10:18] <cam> bob2: any luck?
[10:18] <techn9ne> ok
[10:18] <cam> HostingGeek: ?
[10:18] <jintonic> can i check my cpu temp and the like with linux cli?
[10:19] <nevyn> jintonic: sure.
[10:19] <jintonic> how?
[10:19] <nevyn> type sensors
[10:19] <nevyn> if it's all configured and installed
[10:19] <nevyn> or acpi
[10:19] <bob2> cam: bug in gimp or gimp-data, you'll have to wait for it to be fixed
[10:19] <jintonic> nope, neither
[10:20] <cam> bob2: but my system will remain broken till its fixed?
[10:20] <bob2> cam: no, you just can't upgrade those packages
[10:20] <Stew2> How do I enable support in Ubuntu warty for my Avaya USB Wireless (802.11b) adapter?
[10:20] <cam> and how to remove just gimp from the list?
[10:20] <cam> and continue?
[10:22] <Stew2> Do I just plug in the Lucent/Orinoco/Avaya USB Wireless adapter and I'm off and running?
[10:22] <nevyn> Stew2: plug it in and see what happens is the first step.
[10:23] <bob2> Stew2: is it supported by linux?
[10:23] <bob2> cam: do 'lock version'' or whatever in synaptic
[10:23] <Stew2> bob2: no idea
[10:23] <Stew2> nevyn Could do that.
[10:24] <Stew2> nevyn I get errors when hotplug support loads while booting.
[10:24] <Stew2> Does that affect things?
[10:24] <cam> synaptic is broken
[10:24] <cam> it needs libapt
[10:24] <bob2> Stew2: about pcihp?
[10:25] <Stew2> bob2 I think so. I think the only way I could know for sure is if I restarted.
[10:25] <Stew2> bob2 is that some kinda known thing?
[10:26] <bob2> ignore it, it's spurious
[10:26] <bob2> yes
[10:26] <Stew2> bob2 K
[10:26] <Stew2> Yeah, the adapter is use by someone else right now. I gotta wait a minute.
[10:27] <cam> hrmm
[10:28] <cam> aptitude is broken :|
[10:28] <cam> dang
[10:28] <cam> :/
[10:30] <scizzo> cam: can you use apt-get ?
[10:31] <cam> yer i can theres just all of these missing deps now
[10:31] <cam> and it seems I can continue on with the upgrade using apt-get -f dist-upgrade
[10:31] <cam> but its going to give me that gimp error again
[10:31] <scizzo> cam: what happens if you do...apt-get -f install ?
[10:31] <hannes__> Stew2: http://ubuntuguide.org/#modprobefatalerror
[10:32] <cam> hrmm
[10:32] <cam> seemed to work
[10:32] <cam> through the gimp
[10:32] <cam> aswell
[10:32] <cam> thats weird.
[10:32] <cam> no gimp error :|
[10:33] <scizzo> wait a sec....you are going from complaining about synaptic, aptitude and now to gimp?
[10:33] <scizzo> what exactly is your problem?
[10:33] <cam> lol
[10:33] <scizzo> its kind of confusing
[10:34] <cam> i was doing a upgrade of warty to hoary
[10:34] <cam> and i got a error
[10:34] <cam> about gimp package
[10:34] <scizzo> cam: hoary will break things
[10:34] <cam> and it stopped working, then apt complained about missing deps
[10:35] <cam> scizzo did you know i was doing a dist-upgrade when you told me to fo the -f install?
[10:35] <HostingGeek> scizzo: wrong
[10:36] <scizzo> HostingGeek: ?
[10:36] <HostingGeek> scizzo: sice when will a frozzen STABLE distro brake things?
[10:36] <scizzo> HostingGeek: so you are telling me that it is stable?
[10:36] <HostingGeek> hoary is not like sid
[10:36] <scizzo> HostingGeek: it is development
[10:36] <HostingGeek> sid will never be stable
[10:36] <HostingGeek> that is currently
[10:36] <scizzo> HostingGeek: am I talking about sid?
[10:36] <HostingGeek> no for ever
 cam: hoary WILL break things
[10:37] <scizzo> yes
[10:37] <cam> ok guys apt-get -f install has finished
[10:37] <no0tic> hi!
[10:37] <cam> is there anything i should now do
[10:37] <cam> before restarting
[10:37] <HostingGeek> umm
[10:37] <scizzo> cam: apt-get -f install does something I am not exactly sure what...it fixes some stuff if you have problems
[10:37] <HostingGeek> make sure the grub menu list updated
[10:37] <techn9ne> if you upgrade from warty to hoary you have to expect things will work and sometiesm not
[10:37] <cam> yep
[10:37] <techn9ne> you are the beta-tester
[10:38] <HostingGeek> techn9ne: umm everything works here
[10:38] <scizzo> HostingGeek: just so you know...hoary is not expected to be released until april or something like that...
[10:38] <techn9ne> yah but it could break today tommorow or next week
[10:38] <HostingGeek> there is something called apt pinning
[10:38] <cam> 2.6.8.1-3-386 ?
[10:38] <ironwolf> hoary works really well most of the time, but it's a development release.  So thins break, but then they get fixed. :)
[10:38] <HostingGeek> scizzo: i am not a moron i have read the wiki inside out
[10:39] <scizzo> HostingGeek: you should really read a little more about what development means
[10:39] <HostingGeek> cam: i recomend you install the optermized verion
[10:39] <cam> ?
[10:39] <HostingGeek> scizzo: yes but in april will hoary brake things NO
[10:39] <techn9ne> no then it will be stable release
[10:39] <scizzo> HostingGeek: I am not going to have this discussion with you
[10:39] <HostingGeek> cam install 2.6.10-1-i686
[10:39] <cam> guys, its ok, its not a development workstation
[10:39] <cam> just here to have a look and report problems, stuff around.
[10:40] <cam> :)
[10:40] <ironwolf> cam: you go! :)
[10:40] <scizzo> cam: hehe
[10:40] <HostingGeek> cam: do you know about apt pinning?
[10:40] <scizzo> cam: do you still get problems with apt?
[10:40] <cam> scizzo: no porlbme.s
[10:41] <cam> HostingGeek: i imagine ill find out
[10:41] <cam> im a new user to apt, and debian
[10:41] <cam> ex redhat/fedora user here ;)
[10:41] <scizzo> cam: how about synaptic?
[10:41] <HostingGeek> cam: it in cheaper 3 of the apt guide
[10:41] <scizzo> cam: any problems with that now?
[10:41] <cam> nup
[10:41] <cam> loads without a prob
[10:42] <cam> thanks ;)
[10:42] <scizzo> cam: ok...might have been that the packages was not completely configured then
[10:42] <Oct> Hello :)
[10:42] <scizzo> hi Oct
[10:42] <HostingGeek> synaptic sucks till it adds the one feature i want and that is to be able to use it one a remote server
[10:43] <cam> hrmm synaptic has changed.
[10:43] <HostingGeek> yes
[10:43] <cam> nice.
[10:43] <HostingGeek> it change to be like evaltion
[10:43] <HostingGeek> but it need more changing
[10:43] <HostingGeek> to be like version 2.1
[10:43] <scizzo> synaptic is nice
[10:43] <scizzo> it is easy to use
[10:44] <no0tic> brb
[10:44] <scizzo> fast....and works just fine....just hope that the work continues on it
[10:44] <cam> ok hostinggeek downloading i686 ;)
[10:44] <HostingGeek> cam: Wait
[10:44] <HostingGeek> what gfx card?
[10:44] <cam> ati
[10:45] <cam> 9600xt
[10:45] <cam> i heard nvidia was broken
[10:45] <HostingGeek> does it have xorg AND kernel 2.6.10/9 support
[10:45] <cam> im not using the official drivers yet neway
[10:45] <HostingGeek> ok cool
[10:50] <DBordello> I had a different video card in my computer when i first installed, it setup X to use this video card, how do i rerun the configurator that detects all the settings?
[10:50] <HrdwrBoB> DBordello: dpkg-reconfigure xerver-xfree86
[10:51] <DBordello> thanks HrdwrBoB
[10:52] <DBordello> Is nautilus not installed by default?
[10:54] <techn9ne> DBordello, yes it is
[10:55] <mjr> by the way, hrdwrbob meant xserver-xfree86 :)
[10:55] <DBordello> mjr, yeah, i read through that :)
[10:55] <DBordello> worked great
[10:55] <mjr> 'k
[10:55] <IceCrmBoB> mjr: oh heh, yes, not my keyboard :/
[10:55] <IceCrmBoB> ok *out
[10:57] <DBordello> are there any tricks to get a "real" poweroff?  When ever i execute 'shutdown now' it kills everything and then asks for my root passowrd for normal startup
[10:57] <Ear3ndil> hi
[10:59] <no0tic> re
[11:02] <cam> that was the most pleasant upgrade ever
[11:03] <Cam> only one error
[11:03] <Cam> some fatal about pcihp
[11:04] <HostingGeek> Cam: you forgot to join your fav. channel #ubuntu-ontopic
[11:04] <Cam> right. sure
[11:05] <king_arthur> Hi there, I wonder if anybody could post me a link to a ppc CD-live iso/image
[11:06] <crimsun> being worked on
[11:06] <king_arthur> I understand there is one in advanced development stage, I wanted to give it a shot ;)
[11:06] <Cam> is it safe to put universe and multiverse back on
[11:07] <king_arthur> crimsun: that one was for me I guess.. :)
[11:16] <devote> my firefox is having font problems. on some webpages the fonts are way too big, on other pages the fonts are way too small... I've tried many different settings already, but nothing seems to solve it. any ideas?
[11:23] <Cam> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[11:27] <mchasard> hi
[11:40] <lerio> hi. can somebody help me?
[11:40] <Keybuk> lerio: almost certainly
[11:41] <no0tic> lerio: ask directly :)
[11:42] <lerio> Keybuk: ;) thanks! problem: after upgrading to hoary i can't connect to windows xp home shared folders anymore
[11:43] <lerio> from the network foder i'm still able to see the other computer and the shared drive, but i cannot access it anymore
[11:44] <lerio> with warty it was asking me the credentials to login, but now it seems it stalls after clicking on it
[11:44] <scoon> lerio, i had that same problem.
[11:44] <scoon> lerio, i just removed it from the desktop and set it up again.
[11:45] <scoon> lerio, that seemed to solve it for me.
[11:45] <lerio> did u have to reset the shared folder on xp as well?
[11:47] <lerio> scoon, ok, i'll try. thanks!
[11:48] <scoon> lerio, np
[11:49] <Cam> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch <---- argh!!
[11:52] <xukun> I have 'uname -a 2.6.8.1-4-386, so do apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.8.1-4-386 or linux-headers-2.6.8.1-4-686? I have P4 2.6 ghz
[11:53] <no0tic> xukun: 686
[11:53] <xukun> no0tic, thanks
[11:53] <Cam> dont you want the kernel headers for the kernel your running?
[11:56] <xukun> I dont know, I just want to install the kernel-headers so I cant install the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629 pkg1.run
[11:57] <xukun> no0tic, should I install the kernel-headers matching my current kernel version?
[11:58] <HostingGeek> header are only need for dev.
[11:58] <xukun> shouldnt I?
[11:58] <HostingGeek> i think the nvidia driver and ati might need
[11:58] <HostingGeek> well i dunno i use a gfx card which has its drivers GPL'd
[11:58] <no0tic> xukun: if u don't need to compile anything, no
[11:59] <Cam> is all you need for totem to play mpeg files libmpeg?
[12:00] <xukun> no0tic, the nvidia driver needs the kernel-headers to installed first
[12:00] <no0tic> xukun: then you will need kernel-headers, so?
[12:01] <Cam> all you need is libmpeg? ;)
[12:02] <no0tic> all you need is love, dududududuu
[12:02] <Vaportrail> hrhr
[12:02] <xukun> no0tic, So again which one: apt-cache search gets this two: 2.6.8.1-4-386 and I have uname -a 2.6.8.1-4-386
[12:03] <xukun> no0tic, this two: linux-headers-2.6.8.1-4-386 - Linux kernel headers 2.6.8.1 on 386
[12:03] <xukun> linux-headers-2.6.8.1-4-686 - Linux kernel headers 2.6.8.1 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV
[12:04] <no0tic> xukun: I've told u to install 686 kernel, so you will need the proper kernel headers...
[12:05] <xukun> no0tic, ok
[12:05] <scizzo> why not just run apt-get install linux-i686?
[12:05] <scizzo> if you are using i686 that is?
[12:08] <lerio> scoon, i've just reset the shared folders but with no luck.. what do you mean by "deleting from the desktop" ?
[12:09] <scoon> lerio, right click and select unmount
[12:12] <lerio> scoon, ok. it worked. sorry eh? :P
[12:13] <scoon> lerio, np
[12:15] <bje> is it possible to have the ubuntu live cd automount a USB key for writable storage?
[12:21] <lifeless> is evo in hoary known to be borked
[12:21] <lifeless> ?
[12:22] <scoon> lifeless, not that i have seen
[12:23] <lifeless> do you have spamasssin hooked in and enabled on an Imap store ?
[12:23] <scoon> lifeless, it was about 3wks ago, but it has been fixed since then.
[12:23] <scoon> lifeless, no.
[12:26] <fungi> xorg just died on my tnt2 using nv driver, is it just me or is any one else having this
[12:37] <graham> is anybody able to explain how modprobe.d works under Ubuntu? I don't seem to have an /etc/modprobe.conf file, but from what I've read suspect I should do.
[12:39] <lerio> scoon, hi again. i was able to connect to the shared folder in windows xp only using this trick. by default (left clicking the shared folder), nautilus stalled. the only way to make it work is to right-click the item. only then the login screen appeared and after that i was able to view the folder content
[12:40] <lerio> scoon, maybe someone in this chat could find the info interesting. ;)
[12:51] <HostingGeek> anyone with ie here?
[12:52] <graham> anybody using the ltmodem modem drivers?
[12:53] <maya> hi all
[12:54] <graham> hi
[12:54] <maya> i am installing webmin in ubuntu....when i tryto upgrade it says module proc not there...any help
[12:56] <graham> sorry, never used it.
[12:57] <maya> graham: its ok..np
[12:57] <maya> any body else...came with such problem
[12:57] <graham> maya, have you searched the forums?
[12:58] <graham> there's a howto: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7507
[12:58] <maya> graham:i will look...but i googled nothing i got..
[01:01] <scoon> maya, what happens when you lsmod | grep proc ?
[01:03] <maya> scoon: proc_intf               3968  0
[01:03] <maya> processor              17712  1 thermal
[01:06] <scoon> maya, you may want to check and see if it has a bugzilla and if this is a problem w/ the version you want to get.  proc is a kernel feature that is not a module
[01:06] <scoon> maya, make certain that you have a /proc and it is populated.
[01:06] <maya> graham: the link you gave is through tar flie....i am installing through apt-get dude..
[01:07] <graham> dude, isn't the first thing it says to not install via apt-get?
[01:08] <graham> scoon, I bet you can't do much at all without a /proc mounted
[01:08] <s1amson> speaking of apt
[01:08] <s1amson> configure: error: Can't find rpmlib.h
[01:08] <s1amson> >.<
[01:08] <graham> s1amson, what's the context?
[01:08] <scoon> graham, i bet you are right.  but no stone should be left unturned :)
[01:08] <s1amson> ever google for anything with rpm in it
[01:08] <s1amson> lol
[01:09] <s1amson> checking rpm/rpmlib.h usability... no
[01:09] <s1amson> checking rpm/rpmlib.h presence... no
[01:09] <s1amson> checking for rpm/rpmlib.h... no
[01:09] <s1amson> configure: error: Can't find rpmlib.h
[01:09] <s1amson> s1amson@linux:~/apt-0.5.15cnc6>
[01:09] <graham> scoon, sure, I didn't mean not to check
[01:09] <graham> s1amson, ah, you're compiling apt?
[01:09] <s1amson> uh huh
[01:09] <s1amson> trying to anyway
[01:09] <graham> try installing librpm-dev
[01:09] <s1amson> seems the rpmlib.h would be astandard file
[01:10] <ArCHoNKoG> has anyone got quickcam express to work  ?
[01:10] <graham> it's a header file that will only be installed ifyou install the -dev pacakge.
[01:10] <ArCHoNKoG> trying to get gnome meeting to work
[01:10] <s1amson> i think iinstalled *all* the dev packages i could find:P
[01:10] <s1amson> will try that though
[01:11] <graham> s1amson, this is  a handy command under such circumstances: apt-cache search rpm | grep dev
[01:11] <scizzo> ArCHoNKoG: what exactly is your problem?
[01:12] <s1amson> would be neat to try :) gotta get apt installed first
[01:12] <ArCHoNKoG> scizzo, i can see it devices manager but i can't get the drivers to use it
[01:12] <graham> fair point! ;)
[01:13] <scizzo> maybe you haven't configured everything right?
[01:13] <graham> s1amson, because of the lack of apt, am I right in thinking you're running some other distro?
[01:14] <s1amson> yea, and - ithoughti was in #suse (too many channels)
[01:14] <s1amson> lol
[01:14] <graham> I probably got the package name wrong then.
[01:14] <maya> graham: it is saying better to install with source ile
[01:14] <maya> graham: it is saying better to install with source file
[01:14] <s1amson> im just here to give support :) ive never been in a more helpful nix channel
[01:15] <s1amson> came here when checking outthe livecd
[01:15] <graham> good cd
[01:15] <s1amson> had it supported dual monitors off the top, i wouldda went with it
[01:17] <Rocha> Just a suggestion...
[01:17] <Rocha> Ubuntu should mount all the drives upon boot
[01:17] <graham> right, I'm off. need breakfast.
[01:17] <Rocha> If i insert a cdrom, it gets mounted, but if i reboot, it doesn't appear mounted again
[01:18] <Rocha> I think that is an usability problem.
[01:18] <graham> Rocha, set the auto option in /etc/fstab for /cdrom.
[01:18] <graham> (though I appreciate that doesn't address the wider issue
[01:18] <graham> )
[01:18] <Cube-ness> hey.. i just reverted to 2.6.8 and built the nvidia kernel stuff.. it works, but glx is missing. even thought xorg.cong is supposed to be loading the glx stuff, glx doesnt load.. what am i doing wrong?
[01:19] <Rocha> graham, it should be "auto" by default, i guess you should change that in a future release
[01:19] <Rocha> Just another usability problem...
[01:20] <Rocha> If i insert an audio cd, it starts playing
[01:20] <Rocha> But if i close the cd player and then open it again, it doesn't find the cd
[01:20] <kent> Cube-ness, I had big problems with xorg and nvidias driver, so it might be the driver..   nvidia has a forum for discussing their driver (dont know where right now)
[01:20] <Rocha> The "Cancel - Details - Set Device" dialog appears
[01:21] <Rocha> That is an usability problem as well
[01:22] <Rocha> I'm using warty, not hoary, i don't know if any of the problems i'm telling you are already corrected
[01:22] <Rocha> Another one.... the physical eject button on the cdrom drives should work
[01:23] <maya> i am installing webmin in ubuntu....when i tryto upgrade it says module proc not there...any help
[01:25] <kent> Rocha, please add these things to the bugzilla on ubuntulinux.org.  They are great observation and deserves to be looked into.
[01:26] <Rocha> ok
[01:26] <HostingGeek> who here has access to ie
[01:27] <kent> Rocha, Personally, i think there needs to be done a big usability-test of Gnome (or perhaps Ubuntu/Fedora etc). These things can be taken care of, and should. I have not mind those things so much, since im used to them beeing like that for long time, but thats no excuse for having it like that
[01:29] <HostingGeek> i need access to ie ARGHH i want to test me script which explodes the latest hole
[01:29] <scizzo> HostingGeek: get it yourself and test
[01:30] <HostingGeek> i am not paying $200AU for a *** m$ windows license
[01:30] <kent> btw,  if there is anyone from sweden here. There is a swedish channel on #ubuntu.se
[01:31] <scizzo> kent: ;)
[01:31] <MM2> helsinki :)
[01:31] <HostingGeek> kent: thansk for the unoffical news
[01:31] <Rocha> kent, yup Fedora has some problems too
[01:32] <Rocha> Maybe hoary and fc4 will be better
[01:32] <Rocha> where is bugzilla, i can't find it!
[01:32] <Vaportrail> bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[01:33] <Rocha> tnx Vaportrail
[01:33] <Vaportrail> np
[01:35] <HostingGeek> now who took the BTS link out of the topic?
[01:41] <stvn> HostingGeek: it's not that hard to remember: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[01:41] <HostingGeek> stvn: did i ask? no. did someone else? yes.
[01:42] <stvn> HostingGeek: ah, that question just was out of sight, sorry
 where is bugzilla, i can't find it!
[01:43] <HostingGeek> it was just above when i said it
[01:43] <stvn> k
[01:53] <sid77> hi
[01:57] <s1amson> 'lo
[02:05] <tuxer> hi
[02:14] <HostingGeek> hmm if i set 4#15i$2$f%cy$%h$ as my password will anyone guess it?
[02:15] <da_bon_bon> yes i will!
[02:17] <crimsun> HostingGeek: may as well just use: dd if=/dev/urandom count=5 | sha1sum
[02:18] <HostingGeek> LOL
[02:18] <HostingGeek> ooops
[02:18] <HostingGeek> why did i accully PASTE the password here
[02:18] <crimsun> that's my root passwd!
[02:20] <HostingGeek> haha
[02:20] <HostingGeek> my one on my server is now 99 letter/number/....
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> HostingGeek: then how do u remebr it ?
[02:26] <HostingGeek> LOL
[02:26] <da_bon_bon> HostingGeek: no, seroiously
[02:26] <HostingGeek> i have it saved in a ENCrYPITED file on my computer here
[02:26] <HostingGeek> that only one user can access
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> and that, of course is u
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> and u decrypt, copy-paste it in the box, right ?
[02:28] <HostingGeek> haha and anyway my server only acccepts ssh connections from my ip
[02:29] <HostingGeek> so if my isp disapreas or changes my ip i am scroded
[02:32] <da_bon_bon> u know, copy paste has a cache!
[02:33] <HostingGeek> you know i delete that cache
[02:33] <HostingGeek> and also .bash*
[02:33] <HostingGeek> and also .dash* when ever i use dash
[02:34] <__learner__> can I install install ubuntu on a reiserFS partition?
[02:34] <da_bon_bon> __learner__: yes
[02:35] <__learner__> Can you help me with this. I have LILO from an old distro in my PC. it has a graphical screen and its very nice. Can I install ubuntu and keep that nice screen (LILO)
[02:36] <__learner__> I mean, I just have a reiserFS partition, and a swap partition. Will ubuntu installer detect it and install on it.
[02:36] <__learner__> ?
[02:36] <HostingGeek> __learner__: why would you
[02:36] <HostingGeek> grub is way better
[02:37] <HostingGeek> ubuntu does even show the screen
[02:37] <HostingGeek> and with usplash you don't even want the screen for one second
[02:37] <__learner__> not here. Ubuntu shows a Text based screen here. Lilo shows a big nice penguin.
[02:38] <__learner__> but can you tell me (or tell me where to find) why grub is better?
[02:38] <samsouk> ubuntu warty + kernel 2.6.10 howto ?
[02:39] <__learner__> txm I find that on my own.
[02:39] <__learner__> Ok, so I will install grub.
[02:39] <__learner__> tx.
[02:40] <__learner__> talk to you in some minutes. I will install ubuntu on my machine (again, since I somehow broke the other install I did.)
[02:40] <Vaportrail> is there anything like a clipboard for gnome?
[02:42] <da_bon_bon> HostingGeek: hows bash / dash ?
[02:43] <da_bon_bon> bash vs. dash
[02:43] <HostingGeek> smae thing
[02:43] <da_bon_bon> oh ok.
[02:43] <HostingGeek> dash is just a smaller version
[02:43] <HostingGeek> with less bloat
[02:43] <HostingGeek> runs faster...
[02:43] <da_bon_bon> HostingGeek: the downlaod size is about how many mb
[02:43] <da_bon_bon> ?
[02:44] <HostingGeek> you already have it on default on ubuntu i think
[02:44] <da_bon_bon> i am on fedora
[02:46] <HostingGeek> YUCK
[02:47] <Einzelganger> I have compiled a big debian package, but want to change add a configure option. How can I rebuild the package without having to rebuild the whole package. "dpkg-buildpackage cleans everything first, then configure and then make", and "dpkg-buildpackage -b -nc" doesn't clean everything first, but doesn't reconfigure it either ?
[02:48] <Einzelganger> (I know how to do it manually btw, just look at my config.log for the complete configure scripts, copy/paste that with an extra option, and then do a dpkg-buildpackage -b -nc", but I wonder if there is easier way)
[02:49] <HostingGeek> #debian would know better
[02:49] <HostingGeek> don't say you came from here
[02:50] <Einzelganger> oops, this was for #debian indeed, wrong tab (although it is also a ubuntu issue)
[02:50] <crimsun> Einzelganger: you seem to have missed the point that if you use autoconf and family, by adjusting the ./configure parameters, you _have_ to clean it and rebuild from scratch to ensure correct output
[02:50] <Rocha> How long do the ubuntu cd's take to arrive at my home?
[02:50] <Rocha> I ordered a long time ago!
[02:51] <Rocha> Someone has any idea?
[02:51] <Vaportrail> Rocha: some get it a few days after ordering, some a few month
[02:51] <Vaportrail> +after
[02:51] <Rocha> Hmm, ok.
[02:52] <Einzelganger> crimsun, even if I add an option like "--enable-gui", which adds another directory to be compiled in ? lilypond takes here 1 hour to compile, I would not like to wait for that all over ?
[02:52] <crimsun> Einzelganger: blame autoconf & family.
[02:53] <fabbione> Einzelganger: install and configure ccache
[02:53] <fabbione> it will help quite a lot
[02:53] <crimsun> Einzelganger: in some instances one might be able to cut corners like what you're attempting, but I would not cut corners for a package.
[02:53] <crimsun> distcc+ccache == gold
[02:53] <fabbione> distcc given that you have more than machine :-)
[02:58] <Einzelganger> ccache looks nice, although I see 2 problems: it's no use for my problem now I think, I should have used it in the first compile. And the problem with lilypond is actually in the compilation of the documentation, which doesn't gcc/cc)
[03:01] <Gorth> How can I use the Ubuntu Warty CD to restore grub onto my primary MBR?
[03:01] <HostingGeek> Rocha: when did you order and where to?
[03:02] <Rocha> Hmmm, on month ago maybe
[03:02] <Rocha> To Portugal
[03:02] <HostingGeek> Gorth: read the wiki its a hard one they are making a hack on d-i to make it easy
[03:02] <Rocha> "...one month.."
[03:02] <HostingGeek> ok
[03:02] <HostingGeek> LOL
[03:02] <HostingGeek> where is portugal?
[03:02] <Rocha> Lisbon
[03:02] <Gorth> HostingGeek: Ok, ill try and search the wiki
[03:02] <HostingGeek> the get sent from london
[03:03] <HostingGeek> at latest your where sent 2 wekks ago at eariest 4 weeks ago
[03:03] <Rocha> Next to Spain
[03:03] <Rocha> Portugal -> Spain -> France
[03:04] <HostingGeek> it matter how the went from london to you
[03:04] <HostingGeek> it probbly goes through a few mailing services
[03:04] <Rocha> I ordered 110 cds
[03:04] <HostingGeek> could come tomz
[03:04] <HostingGeek> could come in a week
[03:04] <HostingGeek> i ordered 500
[03:05] <HostingGeek> and got 24 left
[03:05] <HostingGeek> mako: :)
[03:05] <HostingGeek> i thought mako you changed the order down to 300
[03:05] <Gorth> HostingGeek: Do you have a direct link? I can only seem to find http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/Randy%20Magee
[03:06] <Rocha> How long did your cds take to arrive?
[03:06] <HostingGeek> Gorth: now but i remeber reading it on sunday
[03:06] <HostingGeek> Rocha: as i ordered by the time of preview 1
[03:07] <HostingGeek> it took about 2 months
[03:07] <Rocha> Hmm, ok
[03:07] <Gorth> HostingGeek: ok..
[03:07] <HostingGeek> about 2weeks after they started sending them out
[03:08] <HostingGeek> Gorth: i think it may be also in the FAQ
[03:15] <mako> HostingGeek: we use quite a few mailing servers
[03:15] <mako> HostingGeek: we use quite a few mailing services
[03:15] <HostingGeek> really?
[03:16] <HostingGeek> mako: only 24 more left
[03:16] <mako> HostingGeek: out of how many?
[03:17] <mako> in any case, we can always just get you more
[03:18] <HostingGeek> mako: 500
[03:18] <HostingGeek> i thought you changed my order
[03:18] <mako> HostingGeek: wow. what have you used them for
[03:18] <mako> HostingGeek: to make it lower or higher?
[03:18] <HostingGeek> lower
[03:18] <tux_> quick question
[03:18] <mako> HostingGeek: i'm sure i told you to lower it yourself
[03:18] <HostingGeek> heh i posted on whirlpool and some other fonts to get rid of the 200
[03:18] <tux_> does anyone have a realport 10/100 + 56k combo pcmcia card
[03:19] <tux_> looking to buy one, just wanna make sure its compatible with linux first
[03:19] <HostingGeek> mako: i reme,ber saying you lowerED it
[03:19] <mako> HostingGeek: maybe it was after the order had been processed arleady
[03:20] <HostingGeek> yes
[03:20] <mako> HostingGeek: i don't send an email saying such a thing until i've finished doing it
[03:20] <HostingGeek> well i am sending some 15 tomz
[03:20] <mako> well, i appreciate your putting them to good use
[03:20] <HostingGeek> mako: ?
[03:20] <HostingGeek> well my next order will be a lot lower everyone has putted in there own orders for hoary
[03:21] <HostingGeek> or have upgrade already
[03:21] <mako> tux_: did you check the hardware compatibility page?
[03:21] <HostingGeek> i am having a fonts problem with firefox that only happened once i deleted my profile
[03:22] <HostingGeek> i posted in this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=46447#post46447 at the end
[03:22] <HostingGeek> as someone else has this problem
[03:22] <HostingGeek> anyone can give me there font settings
[03:22] <tux_> mako : checking http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/SUPPORTED.CARDS
[03:22] <tux_> it has a realport card
[03:22] <mako> tux_: check there and also the supported hardware list on the wiki
[03:22] <tux_> wonder if that'll do it
[03:23] <mako> tux_: just because a company makes a card doesn't mean it's supported
[03:23] <mako> tux_: even if their other cards
[03:23] <mako> tux_: in fact, even different revisions of the SAME CARD by the SAME COMPANY can go from completely supported to not at all
[03:23] <tux_> ok
[03:23] <mako> google is your friend
[03:24] <mako> so is the documentation on the wiki and the place you are already looking
[03:24] <HostingGeek> mako: why where there 2 traffic thingys in the smae week
[03:25] <HostingGeek> and none for the week before
[03:25] <HostingGeek> any way i am bored can we have a thrid one for this week?
[03:27] <HostingGeek> can anyone which uses firefox please help me with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=46447#post46447 the last post is me
[03:28] <lukasz> tery3 hi
[03:28] <lukasz> trey3 you are allways online
[03:29] <andreas_> hey there again!
[03:30] <stvn> anyone knows if gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg is going to be included into haory? (since it's in alioth nowadays)
[03:31] <mako> HostingGeek: because i'm behind in writing traffic. :) i'm working on the next week(s) now
[03:31] <HostingGeek> stvn: there is a bug stoping it entering debian
[03:31] <HostingGeek> and a lot of distros
[03:32] <stvn> ow, there were some bugs fixed recently, i'll try and see how it goes nowadays
[03:32] <HostingGeek> mako: why can't there be a GFX intaller for hoary. its easy ro get a good one put up a bounty gor it with a nice pay check
[03:32] <raptor_> is there a how to on installing java-vm for ubuntu? , i am having no luck getting it working.
[03:33] <tvon> I thought there was a howto on the wiki...or a link to the debian howto
[03:33] <HostingGeek> raptor_: its easy
[03:34] <HostingGeek> there is an illegal rep which has a deb
[03:34] <HostingGeek> so you don' have to make your own using that script someone made that is almost idiot proof
[03:34] <tvon> illegal?
[03:35] <stvn> hm, gstreamer-ffmpeg is kinda slow
[03:36] <scizzo> tvon: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3713.html
[03:36] <scizzo> tvon: one way to do it
[03:37] <mako> HostingGeek: it's not easy to get a good one. we know what would need to happen in order to make it happen (at least basically)
[03:37] <raptor_> found it tvon thx
[03:38] <mako> HostingGeek: getting a graphical installer would actually be relatively easy. getting a *good* one would require some serious work
[03:38] <mako> HostingGeek: eventually it can happen but our first installer is getting a fast/good installer
[03:38] <HostingGeek> mako: no the version in hoary doesn't work
[03:38] <HostingGeek> the one in debian sid is idiot proof
[03:39] <HostingGeek> i have asked and asked that ubuntu merges more offen with debian sid
[03:39] <HostingGeek> mako: its very easy to make a good one
[03:40] <HostingGeek> you make it exactly the same as d-i but add next and back button and info...
[03:43] <randabis-wireles> meh, I like the ncurses one, but I guess an x-installer might be ok
[03:44] <mako> HostingGeek: the graphical version as exactly the same?
[03:44] <mako> HostingGeek: that's just not the way it works. the partioner is particularly problematic
[03:45] <HostingGeek> yes but haven't you already made a good GUI for that
[03:45] <HostingGeek> i read it in the wiki
[03:45] <HostingGeek> the answer seemed very simple
[03:48] <HostingGeek> mako: is ubuntu going to have a new icon set or what?
[03:49] <HostingGeek> mako: there was a bounty put up for this a long time ago and someone took the job about 5 months ago
[03:49] <HostingGeek> and don't tell me "Human" is it
[03:50] <mako> HostingGeek: no, there is a good graphical frontend in general but it would look very ugly for things like the partitioner. it's not as simply a problem as you seem to think
[03:51] <mako> as simple even
[03:51] <HostingGeek> well i think the problem is sloved with a $2k bounty
[03:52] <HostingGeek> and anyway fedora did a good job why not take the design and a bit of code from them
[03:52] <HostingGeek> ok the ccode will need a lot of rewriting
[03:53] <Gerrath> I'm trying to compile gdb but I keep getting: "Could not find a term library."  I've installed libncurses5, libncurses5-dbg and libncurses5-dev.  What am I missing?
[03:53] <mjr> anyone happen to know why, on amd64, a single malloc can only reserve ~2373 megabytes?
[03:55] <Gerrath> ugh I mean dbg not gdb. typo.
[03:57] <HostingGeek> its been REALY REALLY quite the last 2rs
[03:57] <HostingGeek> and i did 90% of the talking
[03:58] <HostingGeek> wtf is going on
[03:58] <scizzo> people are working
[03:58] <scizzo> sleeping or doing something else
[03:59] <noflex> what x is in 4.10 xfree 4.x or xorg 6.x
[03:59] <HostingGeek> xfree
[03:59] <noflex> ok good
[04:00] <HostingGeek> hoary has moved to xorg because by preview 1 we are hoping nvidia and ati release there drivers they promissed in dec 2004
[04:00] <HostingGeek> *for
[04:02] <noflex> it the ati driver includet in 4.10 or do i have to get it from ati.com
[04:02] <broodster> hmm
[04:03] <broodster> how come to volume on some movies i watch with xine
[04:03] <fabbione> noflex: they are
[04:03] <broodster> have such low volume
[04:03] <noflex> fabbione: thanks nice :)
[04:06] <HostingGeek> broodster: no they don't
[04:06] <HostingGeek> its your ovie
[04:06] <HostingGeek> *movie
[04:09] <randabis-wireles> I likes my hoary
[04:16] <Prescott767> Hi!
[04:16] <lumumba> would someone be willing to help me with realplayer and firefox under Warty?  Both are installed,and both work separately, but I get error messages when trying to click on realvideo links in Firefox
[04:16] <Prescott767> Could someone help me with my Ubuntu Linux?
[04:17] <scizzo> Prescott767: might be good to know what your problem is...
[04:18] <pdkl> i like gdesklets, they are nice
[04:18] <HostingGeek> i am getting some super fast speeds here
[04:19] <HostingGeek> i am only getting 483 bytes per second
[04:19] <Prescott767> Well, I installed the Ubuntu and started the internet connection by pppoeconf, but I can't manage to get apt-get working :(
[04:19] <scizzo> lumumba: if you go to about:plugins does firefox list the realplayer stuff?
[04:19] <lumumba> it lists 2 symlinks to the realplayer plugins
[04:20] <pdkl> what is apt-get behaving like?
[04:21] <lumumba> scizzo- I mean two symlinks are listed in the plugins folder; nothing comes up related to plugins in the "about firefox" dialog box
[04:22] <scizzo> lumumba: I said go to about:plugins
[04:22] <scizzo> lumumba: start firefox....go to the address about:plugins
[04:22] <Prescott767> I want to add extra repositories, but it says
[04:22] <Prescott767> sudo: unable to lookup superubuntu via gethostbyname()
[04:22] <Prescott767> postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory
[04:22] <Prescott767> (gedit:4225): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[04:22] <Prescott767> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[04:23] <balthus> hello and good morning all!
[04:23] <balthus> question: i mounted my windows partition but i cannot see any files pls help
[04:24] <scizzo> balthus: how did you mount it?
[04:24] <lumumba> scizzo-nphelix.so, the realplayer plugin metafile is listed aat about:plugins
[04:25] <balthus> sasha1@ubuntu:~ $ sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[04:25] <scizzo> lumumba: you are using helix?
[04:25] <Scognito> hi all
[04:25] <lumumba> yes, this is a new install of ubuntu and the newest version of helixplayer
[04:26] <scizzo> lumumba: how sure are you that it works at all with helix?
[04:26] <lumumba> the files play fine if I cut and paste them into the player directly
[04:26] <pdkl> Prescott767, maybe one of your extra repositories is mispelled
[04:26] <scizzo> lumumba: sounds like helix has a problem with their plugin
[04:27] <cartman> is there a way to see why dpkg fails?
[04:27] <scizzo> think I got the same problem when I tested Helix
[04:27] <Prescott767> I don't know, I just installed the Ubuntu...
[04:27] <lumumba> were you able to resolve it?
[04:27] <cartman> dpkg --purge cupsys results in
[04:27] <scizzo> lumumba: no
[04:27] <cartman> dpkg: error processing cupsys (--purge):
[04:27] <cartman>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 20
[04:27] <cartman> any ideas?
[04:28] <scizzo> lumumba: I didn't have time...and I thought that helix needed to do some more work before I would start to use it...
[04:29] <scizzo> cartman: have you removed it before trying to purge it?
[04:29] <balthus> scizzo: i tried unmounting and remounting, but that doesn't work, i made another mount called windows1 but no luck
[04:29] <scizzo> cartman: apt-get remove --purge cupsys?
[04:29] <cartman> scizzo: gives same error
[04:29] <scizzo> hmmm
[04:29] <cartman> scizzo: err not same error now
[04:30] <cartman> because I did apt-get remove cupsys
[04:30] <lumumba> does anyone out there have helixplayer and firefox working together happily?
[04:30] <Scognito> muine doesnt' work on hoary, any hint?
[04:30] <Scognito> it give me dll not found
[04:30] <Scognito> Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: libmuine
[04:31] <Scognito> but i have libmuine.so
[04:32] <Prescott767> ...
[04:33] <lumumba> scognito- I can get them to work fine, separately, but when I click on a realmedia link, helixplayer complains that it doesn't recoginize the  "sdsdfsdfsd.ra" filetype
[04:34] <HostingGeek> why doesn't redhate follow this http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/ref-guide/s1-filesystem-fhs.html they say they do according to that link
[04:34] <Scognito> lumumba, ?
[04:34] <runenes> the command: "sudo mount file.iso dir -o loop" returns: "mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#" - what should I configure?
[04:35] <Scognito> runenes, sudo mount -o loop file.iso dir
[04:35] <randabis-wireles> runenes modprobe loop first
[04:36] <randabis-wireles> if you want loop to load at startup, add it to /etc/modules
[04:36] <Freedomzen> does ubuntu need an initrd I am going to build a kernel with the cko patchset just wanna get it right the first time
[04:36] <runenes> thanks, randabis-wireles, it worked!
[04:36] <randabis-wireles> np
[04:36] <randabis-wireles> it doesn't come mounted by default
[04:36] <randabis-wireles> err loaded
[04:37] <lumumba> the mozillla plugin docs say "Make sure a symbolic link to the realplay script is in your PATH"
[04:37] <randabis-wireles> you can also add an entry into /etc/fstab if you want an iso to be mounted at startup
[04:37] <lumumba> I'm not sure how to do that
[04:38] <scizzo> Prescott767: not in /msg
[04:38] <scizzo> Prescott767: when do you get the error?
[04:39] <Prescott767> when i type sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:40] <scizzo> Prescott767: try using another editor
[04:40] <Prescott767> for example?
[04:40] <scizzo> nano
[04:40] <lek> nano
[04:40] <randabis-wireles> nano, vi, etc
[04:41] <Prescott767> actually, when i went to etc folder, i didn't see the sources.list file
[04:42] <lek> etc/apt ..
[04:42] <lek> then sources
[04:42] <Prescott767> ok, but how can i use that nano and how should the command look like?
[04:43] <randabis-wireles> the same, just replace gedit with nano
[04:43] <Freedomzen> nano -w /path/to/file
[04:43] <randabis-wireles> but I think your error is possibly a missing sources.list
[04:44] <randabis-wireles> since gedit is installed by default in ubuntu
[04:44] <lek> what's his error say?
[04:44] <randabis-wireles> I don't know, he never posted it
[04:44] <scizzo> lek: backlog
[04:44] <Prescott767> yes! nano seems to work!
[04:44] <scizzo> yes he did
[04:44] <randabis-wireles> ah, must have missed it
[04:44] <scizzo> like I said...backlog
[04:44] <lek> of course nano works :)
[04:44] <Prescott767> never mind
[04:45] <Freedomzen> ok
[04:45] <hays> Hey, does ubuntu use LDFLAGS optimizations?
[04:45] <Freedomzen> so to initrd or to not initrd
[04:45] <Freedomzen> that is the question
[04:45] <lek> to
[04:45] <scizzo> and if the file wouldn't have existed gedit should have created one...or asked if it should be created
[04:45] <scizzo> the same goes with most of the editors existing out there
[04:46] <Prescott767> thanks
[04:46] <randabis-wireles> hmm
[04:46] <randabis-wireles> his error be quirky..never seen that before
[04:47] <scizzo> Prescott767: after installing ubuntu did you run a apt-get update and apt-get -u dist-upgrade ?
[04:48] <Prescott767> no
[04:48] <Prescott767> because it didnt work
[04:48] <Prescott767> it doesnt know the mirror server I think
[04:48] <scizzo> ok
[04:53] <Prescott767> but how can i save the modified sources.list?
[04:54] <Freedomzen> ctrl=x
[04:54] <Freedomzen> er
[04:54] <Freedomzen> +
[04:54] <Freedomzen> ctrl+x
[04:58] <Prescott767> Thank you all! Apt-get started to download! :)
[05:00] <smitty> hello
[05:02] <smitty> anyone burn with xmms?
[05:03] <__learner__> hi.
[05:06] <kleper> hi
[05:07] <kleper> i have ubuntu, but i need the kernel 2.4.28, when i compile this , i lost the soud what can i do?
[05:09] <__learner__> How can I set GRUB to use those nice splash screens?
[05:09] <crimsun> kleper: you need to compile ALSA for your kernel
[05:09] <hays> Does anyone here know about LDFLAGS use in ubuntu?
[05:09] <crimsun> hays: no different from any other distro...
[05:09] <Kirsch> hey guys, when i start, i get that shcp(sp?) hotplug display bug (Fatal Error, operation permitted from loading 4 modules), it is a display bug, has it been fixed yet?
[05:10] <crimsun> Kirsch: it's a non-fatal bug because you simply lack that hardware.
[05:10] <Kirsch> crimsun: can i disable it from starting at all then?
[05:11] <kleper> alsa-driver and alsa-lib?
[05:11] <crimsun> Kirsch: blacklist it: echo shpchp | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:11] <crimsun> kleper: at least alsa-driver
[05:12] <dud> cheers folks
[05:12] <crimsun> 'lo
[05:12] <Kirsch> crimsun: there are 4 errors that popup
[05:12] <kleper> only alsa-driver?
[05:13] <kleper> becouse i do it, and dont run the sound :s
[05:13] <randabis-wireles> hey, you can prevent the schp driver from loading
[05:13] <crimsun> Kirsch: echo pciehp | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:13] <crimsun> randabis-wireles: yes, that's what I pasted above.
[05:13] <randabis-wireles> ha I'm a bit behind my bad, crimsun got that one handled
[05:14] <randabis-wireles> I'm in too many rooms
[05:14] <crimsun> kleper: do you have ubuntu installed already? if so, then the necessary userspace libraries and utils are already installde.
[05:14] <crimsun> kleper: installed^
[05:14] <crimsun> kleper: all you need is alsa-driver for your 2.4 kernel
[05:14] <kleper> yes i have all installed
[05:15] <Kirsch> also: when i start it stalls on "Network" thats normal since it's either a wireless connection that isn't available or the plug isn't plugged in, i'm managing my network manually through Network-Admin (in Ubuntu), how can I disable networking from starting up at startup?
[05:15] <randabis-wireles> heh my home folder won't load in nautilus from the places link on my panel for some reason
[05:16] <scizzo> randabis-wireles: after upgrade?
[05:16] <scizzo> randabis-wireles: try to restart GNOME
[05:16] <randabis-wireles> yeah I will
[05:17] <kleper> i am compiling now...
[05:17] <randabis-wireles> complete reboot, or can I just CTRL ALT BACKSPACE?
[05:17] <kleper> by the source of alsa-driver.
[05:17] <scizzo> randabis-wireles: might work with ctrl alt backspace
[05:17] <randabis-wireles> okay
[05:17] <dud> i dont suppose anyone has verified the ubuntu amd64 to work with MSI K8NM FISRB motherboard?
[05:17] <scizzo> sometimes that does not kill everything though
[05:18] <randabis-wireles> I'll be back in a second then
[05:18] <dud> specifically thinking about the nvidia integrated graphics and sound chipset
[05:18] <kleper> i have the error : you dont have libasound
[05:19] <dud> im also considering an ATi Radeon 9250 to go with that..... but would i then need 64bit drivers?
[05:19] <dud> im a bit lost here...
[05:19] <dud> really dont know much about 64bit linux...
[05:20] <Frossi> Hi, I have Athlon Xp 1800+ should I go with the k7 or the i686 kernel?
[05:20] <dud> Frossi, k7
[05:20] <dud> afaik
[05:21] <jcspray> Frossi: I also run xp 1800+: I use k7 kernel successfully
[05:21] <Frossi> ok...I'll go with that then
[05:21] <randabis-wireles> the home folder was open already on startup...guess it's working now
[05:21] <thenuke> is not that i686 for p3 and such
[05:22] <kebac> is it much faster to use k7 than i686
[05:22] <randabis-wireles> yeah I use it for my p3
[05:22] <Vaportrail> k7 made my xp 2000+ a bit faster in 3d games
[05:23] <randabis-wireles> <3 streamtuner
[05:24] <hays> crimsun, I've heard its not the same
[05:25] <crimsun> hays: ?
[05:25] <Kirsch> crimsun: any idea on my network problem?
[05:25] <hays> crimsun, I've heard ubuntu uses some LDFLAGS optimizations not common to many other distros
[05:26] <crimsun> hays: uh...
[05:26] <crimsun> hays: that's pretty far-fetched
[05:26] <crimsun> Kirsch: sec
[05:26] <Prescott761> hello again, I have another question...
[05:26] <Kirsch> i basicalyl want to run this RH command in ubuntu "chkconfig network off"
[05:27] <Kirsch> i want to turn off the start of my networking... ill handle it manually.
[05:27] <crimsun> Kirsch: I'm really only familiar with the conffile; you could simply change all the interfaces so they don't start up automatically
[05:27] <crimsun> Kirsch: (e.g., remove the auto $iface part)
[05:27] <Kirsch> i dont get it...
[05:28] <Kirsch> is there a way to just not start any network adapters?
[05:28] <Kirsch> when i start?
[05:28] <trey3> crimsun: LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1"  is what he referes... most don't seem to think it provides and dramatic difference?
[05:28] <trey3> s/and/any
[05:28] <crimsun> Kirsch: yes, and I stated how
[05:29] <__learner__> should I install firefox 1.0 form their website?
[05:29] <hays> trey3, I can't find any actual information on  what it does
[05:29] <Prescott761> How can I get rid of this message while booting: "Could not look up internet adress for superubuntu. This will prevent GNOME from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding superubuntu to the file /etc/hosts."
[05:29] <hays> except reports that it causes mass breakage mixed with reports of significant speedup
[05:29] <Kirsch> crimsun: how do i remove the auto $iface part?
[05:29] <crimsun> Kirsch: use an editor to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[05:30] <Kirsch> ok now... i change the profile through network-admin, does that matter?
[05:31] <jcspray> Kirsh: network-admin: properties->"Activate when the computer starts"
[05:31] <trey3> hays: helps speed up startup time of applications...
[05:31] <Kirsch> jcspray: i do disable it there... but it still loadsit for some reason.. i think network-admin is flaky... any alternative?
[05:31] <trey3> hays: simular in concept to prelinking, but not as picky :)
[05:32] <randabis-wireles> _learner_ you can, but you can get a .deb for both firefox and thunderbird from the warty backports project if you use warty
[05:34] <hays> trey3, that's what I've heard
[05:34] <randabis-wireles> I'm assuming you are since hoary already comes with the latest versions of both
[05:35] <Lizard_King> hello
[05:35] <Lizard_King> someone there?
[05:35] <trey3> Lizard_King: yes
[05:35] <jcspray> Lizard King: yes, 301 someones.  Just ask.
[05:35] <randabis-wireles> there's a few of us around I reckon
[05:35] <__learner__> yes, I use, but there is no version for my language
[05:35] <Lizard_King> i want to ask some question on Ubunut
[05:35] <jcspray> I'm not sure if I'm here or not, actually.  I might be dreaming.
[05:36] <Lizard_King> can I?
[05:36] <jcspray> Lizard_King: Just ask.
[05:36] <Lizard_King> ok
[05:36] <Lizard_King> I' m worthy version
[05:36] <__learner__> randabis-wireles, so I downloaded the brazilian version, where should I install it?
[05:36] <Lizard_King> and it so fantastic
[05:36] <Lizard_King> the best linux distribution
[05:36] <Lizard_King> for the desk user
[05:36] <randabis-wireles> well, by default it goes into /usr/local/lib/mozilla-firefox
[05:37] <Lizard_King> I want to now please if it is possible to  upgrade the version 4.10 worthy to the hoary?
[05:37] <randabis-wireles> yes, you have to edit your sources.list
[05:37] <trey3> Lizard_King: yes... but I'm not sure you really want to do that?
[05:38] <randabis-wireles> be prepared for headaches though
[05:38] <Lizard_King> but also the upgrade leave all settings?
[05:38] <IRCsloth> what's the command to clean out my apt cache again? I'm looking to free some disk spac
[05:38] <randabis-wireles> for the most part it stays the same, but your video and sound might be broken initially
[05:38] <randabis-wireles> mine were
[05:38] <trey3> Lizard_King: it would for the most part, yes... but you really should know a little about the debian packaging system to use a devel branch...
[05:38] <randabis-wireles> sudo apt-get clean
[05:39] <trey3> Have to know how to work around some issues...
[05:39] <IRCsloth> thanks
[05:39] <jcspray> Lizard_King: Your settings will probably be okay, but hoary is 'unstable' version so may not work properly.
[05:39] <Lizard_King> ja ja
[05:39] <Lizard_King> but I'm just want to know if it is possible when hoarty will be stable
[05:40] <randabis-wireles> I'm gonna to update my main computer to hoary when I hook it back up
[05:40] <trey3> Lizard_King: yes... it will be possible... its one of the strong suits of Debian, upgrading without reinstalling  :)
[05:40] <Lizard_King> ohh beautiful
[05:40] <randabis-wireles> yeah updating from warty to hoary shouldn't be hard to update.
[05:40] <jcspray> Lizard_King: yeah, sure.  It's basically just a case of editing /etc/apt/sources.list and replacing 'warty' with 'hoary', then doing a full update.
[05:41] <trey3> jcspray: there is a reason no one has been specific with him yet...
[05:41] <randabis-wireles> you're gonna be waiting until April/May for a "stable" though it seems
[05:41] <Lizard_King> so in April when hoarty will be stable what I do to upgrade/install hoary?
[05:41] <jcspray> trey3: If I don't give out nooses who will I watch hang?
[05:41] <randabis-wireles> you follow said directions above my post
[05:42] <trey3> jcspray: but if he has issues, he may lose faith in Ubuntu as a whole... a bad thing I think you will agree  :)
[05:42] <jcspray> trey3: Nothing like a baptism of fire ;-)  But I think he's been warned enough now.
[05:42] <__learner__> Do you know how can I get firefox 1.0 to work for every user?
[05:42] <jcspray> I was just emphasising how simple it was.
[05:43] <Lizard_King> and now if I want to install bootsplash in worthy , how can I do? can I download the deb package from hoary repository?????
[05:44] <randabis-wireles> I had issues, but I thoughti it was fun having to spend the extra time to fix them
[05:44] <trey3> jcspray: there have even been articles about it... strange to me that it would be such a popular activity... most have complained about devel branches of Debian for a long time...
[05:45] <paulproteus> __learner__: Firefox 1.0:
[05:45] <jcspray> trey3: Yeah, I don't get it either.  I run warty, ableit with lots of GNOME CVS stuff.  I have to confess to using the hoary kernel packages (for some 2.6.10-needing hardware), but apart from that I'd much rather have a boring (read: working) system.
[05:45] <__learner__> yes paulproteus. Firerox 1.0
[05:45] <__learner__> I get their installer, but it looks like it works only for one user.
[05:45] <trey3> jcspray: heh... I was one of the first to switch to hoary  :)
[05:45] <paulproteus> __learner__: Let me look one thing up and give you a straightforward answer.  One sec.
[05:46] <__learner__> I want it to be replacing the old firefox verison. Tx
[05:46] <daniela> hi, i update to hoary today and seams to be something wrong with my keyboard....my layout is brazilian abnt 2...its ok on the preferences but my "\" (not that..the other) dont work...someone could help me )
[05:46] <trey3> jcspray: only annoying hiccup so far was the menu problem a while back  :)
[05:46] <Lizard_King> someone know how to install bootsplash in worthy , how can I do? can I download the deb package from hoary repository?????
[05:46] <daniela> sorry my english (its horrable)
[05:47] <Lizard_King> ciao daniela
[05:47] <paulproteus> __learner__: Here.  Use this guy's Warty updates.
[05:47] <paulproteus> http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ut8g/
[05:47] <trey3> Lizard_King: hoary doesn't have the bootsplash yet... waiting on a bounty apparently...
[05:47] <jcspray> trey3: You wanna see menu problems, run a vanilla 2.9.x gnome-panel.  "Where did all my programs go?"
[05:47] <paulproteus> If you just upgrade after adding that to your sources, you'll get Firefox 1.0.
[05:48] <daniela> lizard_king u can help me
[05:48] <daniela> )
[05:48] <Lizard_King> what did U do?
[05:48] <Lizard_King> daniela, are U italian?
[05:49] <daniela> no, brazilian
[05:49] <Lizard_King> ah
[05:49] <Lizard_King> daniela what's your problem?
[05:49] <trey3> jcspray: that was pretty much the issue in hoary about a fourtnight ago  :)
[05:50] <daniela> its on the keyboard layot...
[05:50] <daniela> the \ (not this one)
[05:50] <daniela> dont work
[05:50] <daniela> since i update to hoary
[05:50] <randabis-wireles> my programs are all still there in gnome 2.9.x
[05:51] <Lizard_King> from terminal try top tipe keyload o somethingsimilar or try so search "keyload" over Google
[05:51] <trey3> daniela: easiest way... System > Preferences > Keyboard ... "Layout", add which one you want to use :)
[05:51] <daniela> yes...its ok on there
[05:51] <Lizard_King> i have try keyload on Gentoo and It works
[05:51] <daniela> but dont work the same way
[05:51] <jcspray> randabis-wireles: you running hoary?  I expect that hoary works better with 2.9 than my warty.
[05:52] <__learner__> tx a lot. now firefox 1.0 is installing
[05:52] <Freedomzen> rob@freedom:~$ uname -a
[05:52] <Freedomzen> Linux freedom 2.6.10-nitro1-ARCH #1 SMP Tue Dec 28 21:59:09 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:52] <Freedomzen> yay!
[05:52] <trey3> jcspray: hoary doesn't actually use a full GNOME 2.9 ... but its quite stable  :)
[05:52] <__learner__> Can I install mozilla language packs on firefox?
[05:53] <daniela> trey3: dont work the same way
[05:54] <daniela> trey3: i add "brazilian abnt2"...and my \ (not inverted) dont work
[05:54] <jcspray> daniela: are we talking about the "/" character?
[05:54] <__learner__> are you brazilian too daniela?
[05:55] <daniela> yes
[05:55] <daniela> yes
[05:55] <__learner__> nice
[05:56] <trey3> daniela: try setting, moving to top of list (or removing all others) and logout...
[05:56] <Freedomzen> do you think I should write a howto on getting nitro sources to work on ubuntu?
[05:56] <__learner__> I back! Now with mozilla 1.0 I just need to figure out how to make it become brazilian portuguese.
[05:56] <zenwhen> Whats the point of nitro sources?
[05:56] <trey3> Freedomzen: whats good from there?
[05:56] <jon__> is there a repository for ubuntu that has transcode in it?
[05:57] <jon__> there are packages that require it, but it's not included
[05:57] <Freedomzen> well patchset is for improved desktop performence
[05:57] <daniela> trey3: on preferences)
[05:57] <Freedomzen> reiser4 for those that want it etc...
[05:57] <randabis-wireles> yeah, I am running hoary
[05:57] <daniela> trey3: dont work either
[05:58] <trey3> Freedomzen: umm... seems kinda a waste of time enabling reiser4 after install? most don't seem to like it anyways (hence it not being enabled in most distros)
[05:59] <Freedomzen> trey3, nitro-sources is not just for reiser4 but also for improved desktop performence
[05:59] <Freedomzen> im running it now and have noticed a big improvement from the stock hoary kernel
[06:00] <jcspray> jon__: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[06:00] <jcspray> at least, I think that's where my system's getting it from
[06:00] <trey3> Freedomzen: but the stock hoary kernel is -386 ...
[06:01] <trey3> Freedomzen: so thats not saying much...
[06:01] <Freedomzen> trey3, I was using the -686
[06:01] <Freedomzen> :P
[06:01] <trey3> jcspray: marillats sources aren't compatible with ubuntu atm...
[06:02] <trey3> Freedomzen: then thats not stock  ;)
[06:02] <Freedomzen> heh
[06:02] <trey3> 2.6.10-1-k7
[06:02] <trey3> seems fast to me?
[06:03] <Freedomzen> sure
[06:03] <Freedomzen> but thats u
[06:03] <Freedomzen> heh
[06:03] <tritium> why not quantify the difference in performance?
[06:03] <jon__> jcspray: if it's just a debian mirror it shouldn't matter which one, correct?
[06:03] <Freedomzen> cool jus wanted to see if someone wanted it
[06:03] <trey3> jon__: correct...
[06:03] <jon__> thanks
[06:04] <trey3> jon__: 'apt-spy' is useful for picking though... checks which is fastest for you  :)
[06:04] <trey3> jon__: not sure if that would look for ubuntu mirrors for us though?
[06:05] <trey3> probably should... but its in Universe, so dunno  :/
[06:05] <randabis-wireles> what is the command to run apt-spy?
[06:05] <Freedomzen> apt-spy
[06:05] <randabis-wireles> that didn't work for me
[06:05] <trey3> randabis-wireles: you must install it first...
[06:06] <Freedomzen> heh
[06:06] <randabis-wireles> I'm pretty sure I did
[06:06] <randabis-wireles> I'll doublecheck
[06:06] <trey3> randabis-wireles: dpkg -l apt-spy
[06:06] <trey3> randabis-wireles: if you installed it... its 'apt-spy'
[06:06] <randabis-wireles> yeah it wasn't installed...I could have sworn I installed it earlier...lol
[06:06] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  I just set up warty on my inspiron 1100 (dell notebook) and the screen has a black border about two inches thick on all sides.  How can I fix this?
[06:07] <randabis-wireles> change your resolution probably
[06:07] <randabis-wireles> unless it's something else
[06:07] <trey3> ficusplanet: you've played with the monitors settings physically?
[06:07] <linux_mafia> i do believe the citizens of #solaris are the rudest bunch of fu**ers ive encountered on irc so far
[06:07] <ficusplanet> trey3, I dont see a way to do that.  I won't let me change the resolution from 640x480.
[06:07] <randabis-wireles> and if not your resolution, maybe your horz and vert frequencies
[06:08] <trey3> linux_mafia: not tried #debian in a while huh?  :P
[06:08] <randabis-wireles> heh
[06:08] <linux_mafia> trey3, the make them seem helpful and friendly
[06:08] <randabis-wireles> I've never been there
[06:09] <trey3> ficusplanet: ahh... /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ... remove all instances of "640x480"... I usually remove all below 1024x768 to give it a convincing prod  :)
[06:09] <linux_mafia> i have just installed solaris 10, i asked a simple question, which i guess maybe sounded stupid to them or some thing, and was told to "go masturbate to porn on my pathetic linux box"
[06:09] <trey3> linux_mafia: ahh... thats bad... how ever will they get a good community around solaris if they are worse than Debian already?  :o
[06:09] <linux_mafia> never mind
[06:10] <trey3> linux_mafia: I don't know... seems like good advice  :P
[06:10] <linux_mafia> trey3, oh, and that was by the op
[06:10] <trey3> not helpful... but not a terrible idea  :)
[06:10] <linux_mafia> heh
[06:10] <randabis-wireles> hehe
[06:11] <trey3> linux_mafia: they're just jealous cuz such codecs work on our machines  :)
[06:11] <randabis-wireles> <3 your internets
[06:11] <linux_mafia> gf is asleep about 4 feet away, not possible
[06:11] <trey3> linux_mafia: eh... no better way to be woken up  ;)
[06:11] <randabis-wireles> she if she wants to play
[06:11] <trey3> (well... not the masturbating thing...  but yeah...)
[06:11] <BockBilbo> hello
[06:12] <trey3> BockBilbo: hi... don't mind us  :)
[06:12] <randabis-wireles> you could print some pics and go in the bathroom...lawl
[06:12] <trey3> BockBilbo: need help at all ?  :)
[06:12] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:12] <BockBilbo> nope
[06:12] <randabis-wireles> I need help that I don't think this channel could provide
[06:12] <linux_mafia> well, anyway, solaris seems like a pita so far, but interesting to try another unix, ubuntu is still the one for me though
[06:12] <BockBilbo> just a question
[06:12] <BockBilbo> loll
[06:12] <BockBilbo> whats the way to update to hoary? just modify apt's sources.list and switch warty to hoary???
[06:13] <randabis-wireles> hmm, deja vu
[06:13] <trey3> BockBilbo: yes...
[06:13] <BockBilbo> ok
[06:13] <randabis-wireles> seems like we've been here before
[06:13] <BockBilbo> gonna switch now
[06:13] <randabis-wireles> *timebomb goes off*
[06:13] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:13] <trey3> randabis-wireles: I'm getting that same feeling  :)
[06:13] <linux_mafia> perhaps warty --> hoary, needs to go in the topic, or is that tempting newcomers into trouble
[06:13] <randabis-wireles> it'd be like a suicide cult
[06:13] <randabis-wireles> do it :)
[06:14] <trey3> linux_mafia: yeah... I don't think thats such a good idea... people just need to not make others so aware of the possibility...
[06:14] <HostingGeek> ubuntu should not say the kernel version in there build as this can be a secirty risk
[06:14] <trey3> HostingGeek: ?
[06:14] <linux_mafia> hoary's excellent for me, just still a few menu niggles is all
[06:14] <HostingGeek> there are holes in every version that can be exploded
[06:14] <trey3> linux_mafia: like what? just not used to it yet? I kinda like the new menus  :)
[06:15] <BockBilbo> new menus???
[06:15] <BockBilbo> how are they like?
[06:15] <HappyFool> so then an attacker can just try them all. there aren't that many kernel versions ;)
[06:15] <trey3> HostingGeek: I'm not sure what you mean?
[06:15] <linux_mafia> trey3, pan wont show up, cant remove stuff as yet, hmm, something else to
[06:15] <HostingGeek> if the exploder knew which version then he can easly explode it using many thanks to open source holes
[06:15] <linux_mafia> trey3, nothing major
[06:15] <trey3> BockBilbo: Computer has been seperated into 2 menus, Places and System... more logical imo  :)
[06:15] <randabis-wireles> you get a places panel
[06:15] <randabis-wireles> and a debian menu
[06:16] <trey3> randabis-wireles: no... not a debian menu by default.
[06:16] <Vaportrail> and less room in ur panel
[06:16] <linux_mafia> randabis-wireles, i have no debian menu
[06:16] <trey3> randabis-wireles: you have 'menu' installed...
[06:16] <randabis-wireles> hah oh yeah
[06:16] <randabis-wireles> I don't remember installing it
[06:16] <BockBilbo> so, trey3 , two submenus into the computer menu?
[06:16] <trey3> BockBilbo: no... Computer is gone
[06:16] <BockBilbo> ohh
[06:16] <randabis-wireles> it's System
[06:17] <BockBilbo> so thre menus, apps, system and places
[06:17] <BockBilbo> right?
[06:17] <BockBilbo> *three
[06:17] <trey3> BockBilbo: yes
[06:17] <BockBilbo> ohh
[06:17] <BockBilbo> cool...
[06:17] <trey3> but in the order: Applications Places System :P
[06:17] <BockBilbo> what gaim version does hoary have?
[06:17] <linux_mafia> trey3, oh, and i had to get a couple of mono things from sid, to hooked on beagle to not have it
[06:17] <BockBilbo> 1.1.1?
[06:17] <trey3> BockBilbo: yes
[06:17] <BockBilbo> and which oo??
[06:17] <BockBilbo> 1.1.4?
[06:17] <linux_mafia> no
[06:17] <trey3> .3
[06:18] <BockBilbo> well.. warty has 1.1.2
[06:18] <jon__> so i tried adding the marillat sources but transcode has unmet dependencies
[06:18] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:18] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, trust me it hasnt changed alot, and 2 is imminent
[06:19] <BockBilbo> ive heard that about 2
[06:19] <BockBilbo> ..
[06:19] <BockBilbo> i guess that onces it appears, it will be added to hoary
[06:19] <BockBilbo> right?
[06:19] <trey3> BockBilbo: 2.0 is supposed to rule... a lot of speed improvements etc  :)
[06:19] <BockBilbo> :)
[06:19] <BockBilbo> i think im gonna enjoy hoary
[06:20] <BockBilbo> ... i had lots of problems updating some programs in warty
[06:20] <linux_mafia> hey, hey, lets not get to hyped up over an office sweet, ;) or are there alot of secretaries here?
[06:20] <HappyFool> well, firefox 1.0 isn't in warty; i don't know if the same rules would apply to hoary if oo 2.0 were released too late for hoary
[06:20] <linux_mafia> sweet, heh
[06:20] <linux_mafia> suite
[06:20] <BockBilbo> mm whats the name for the next ubuntu release after hoary?
[06:21] <trey3> linux_mafia: heh... but waiting ~2 mins for OOo to fire up is annoying... office suites are kinda important to most...
[06:21] <lek> grumpy
[06:21] <linux_mafia> trey3, i agree
[06:21] <BockBilbo> me too..
[06:21] <BockBilbo> :s
[06:21] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, grumpy groundhog
[06:22] <BockBilbo> mmm is it already under development?
[06:22] <lek> and it should come in october
[06:22] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, no
[06:22] <BockBilbo> ohh
[06:22] <BockBilbo> so hoary will become stable in october
[06:22] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, hoary is still under devel
[06:22] <BockBilbo> right?
[06:22] <lek> no
[06:22] <lek> grumpy
[06:22] <lek> hoary in april
[06:22] <BockBilbo> ohh
[06:22] <trey3> BockBilbo: new devel branches are started about a week after release of previous version...
[06:23] <BockBilbo> so thats what i meant, grumpy will be unstable  from april to oct, right?
[06:23] <lek> yes
[06:23] <trey3> BockBilbo: its the Ubuntu way that devels will always USE the devel branch... whereas Debian folks use Sid and don't much care about the devel release "Testing"...
[06:23] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, whats a bock? and is bilbo after the baggins of the same name?
[06:23] <BockBilbo> hehe
[06:23] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:23] <BockBilbo> xD
[06:23] <BockBilbo> bock was the name of a dog i had
[06:24] <trey3> BockBilbo: with devels using the devel branch, bugs will be found and fixes much faster basically because they will be annoying to devels too  :)
[06:24] <BockBilbo> lol... and Bilbo is the city I live writen in Basque, Bilbao in spanish and english
[06:24] <linux_mafia> oh
[06:24] <linux_mafia> eta?
[06:24] <trey3> BockBilbo: where are you? Spain?
[06:24] <BockBilbo> trey3, Basque Country, Spaiin yes
[06:25] <BockBilbo> linux_mafia, eta is here yes... but eta != Basque country
[06:25] <trey3> BockBilbo: ahh... Chelsea gets to play Barca in February... looking forward to it 8)
[06:25] <BockBilbo> for those who dont know... eta is a terrorist group
[06:25] <trey3> Will be great game  8)
[06:25] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, sorry bad joke
[06:25] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:25] <BockBilbo> grea gaime
[06:25] <BockBilbo> yes
[06:25] <BockBilbo> linux_mafia, dnt worry
[06:25] <BockBilbo> ;)
[06:26] <linux_mafia> trey3, you in uk?
[06:26] <trey3> BockBilbo: according to fifa rankings, #1 and #2 club teams in the world  :)
[06:26] <BockBilbo> it will be hard for chelsea to defeat bara, though they lost 3-0 yesterday...
[06:26] <trey3> linux_mafia: nah... moved to America when I was 13
[06:26] <BockBilbo> trey, are they???
[06:27] <BockBilbo> i though 1st was madrid
[06:27] <trey3> BockBilbo: Chelsea is a great defensive side... will be hard for Barca to break us down  :)
[06:27] <linux_mafia> oh god, soccer is the nanciest game ever, 90 minutes of pansies hamming it up for penalties for a nil-nil score
[06:27] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:27] <trey3> BockBilbo: http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3042884
[06:27] <BockBilbo> trey3, ..... ronaldinho... etto... giuli ....
[06:27] <gen> i agree with mafia
[06:27] <BockBilbo> ..
[06:28] <linux_mafia> may as well go to a gym, and watch random sweaty men run around, heh
[06:28] <tritium> wtf does "nanciest" mean?
[06:28] <BockBilbo> :p
[06:28] <gen> it means homosexual
[06:28] <trey3> linux_mafia: there is no other sport on earth where you can be on a pitch with 20 people, and have 15 nations represented...
[06:28] <BockBilbo> :|
[06:28] <gen> a pitch?
[06:29] <trey3> gen: field...
[06:29] <linux_mafia> not necesserily (shit dunno how to spell that), a nancy boy is an effeminate man
[06:29] <usual> http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html
[06:29] <linux_mafia> but not always gay
[06:29] <BockBilbo> wel...
[06:29] <BockBilbo> trey3, im not a barcelona fan
[06:29] <tritium> thanks for the translation
[06:29] <trey3> BockBilbo: who you like?  :P
[06:29] <BockBilbo> im an Athletic Club Bilbao fan
[06:30] <linux_mafia> im a rugby head, i am from new zealand, heh
[06:30] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:30] <__learner__> why there's no mozilla-firefox-locale-pt-br on my list?
[06:30] <BockBilbo> linux_mafia, i think rugby is boaring
[06:30] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:30] <__learner__> can you help me find thath package.
[06:30] <trey3> linux_mafia: Rugby just doesn't entertain me... although I've been to the high school in Rugby where the game was invented
[06:31] <trey3> linux_mafia: they have a plaque stating the guys name that first ran with the ball etc.... quite interesting  :)
[06:31] <trey3> linux_mafia: I was born about 5-10 mins from that school  :)
[06:31] <linux_mafia> well at least neither rugby or soccer is as crap as american football
[06:31] <HappyFool> __learner__: i see mozilla-locale-ptbr  via   apt-cache search 'br$'
[06:32] <trey3> linux_mafia: heh... American Football wouldn't be so bad if the refs weren't on an ego trip  :/
[06:32] <BockBilbo> linux_mafia, i agree with you at 100%
[06:32] <__learner__> yeah, but I dont. Can I fix that
[06:32] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:32] <trey3> Damn near every play there are flags  :/
[06:32] <HappyFool> __learner__: do you see the name difference?
[06:32] <HappyFool> the one I see is ...-ptbr , not ...-pt-br
[06:32] <linux_mafia> trey3, its not the ref, its just the game as far as i can see
[06:33] <__learner__> yeah.
[06:33] <trey3> linux_mafia: too many rules to make it fun to watch... same with basketball  :/
[06:33] <linux_mafia> the yanks get off on the stats
[06:33] <__learner__> but theres nothing like it here
[06:33] <__learner__> should I add some repository?
[06:33] <linux_mafia> almost worse than cricket, ;)
[06:33] <trey3> linux_mafia: heh  :)
[06:33] <HappyFool> __learner__: err, i don't know. hang on a mo
[06:34] <__learner__> tx
[06:34] <Vaportrail> pocket billiard is quite interesting
[06:34] <trey3> 2 of the most boring sports around... yay
[06:34] <HappyFool> __learner__: i'm not expert, but it looks like it's in warty universe
[06:34] <trey3> Vaportrail: pocket billiards? umm... pool in your pocket? small table?  :o
[06:35] <Vaportrail> trey3: it means jerking off
[06:35] <poof> should be concitered a type of theatre event insted of a sport LOL
[06:35] <trey3> ohhh... I knew that
[06:35] <Vaportrail> ah k :)
[06:35] <linux_mafia> 2 balls and one cue
[06:35] <__learner__> I downloaded it ".deb" from debian site. How can I install it?
[06:35] <poof> lol
[06:35] <Vaportrail> u got it :)
[06:35] <poof> learner use synaptic
[06:35] <HappyFool> __learner__: err. I would rather use ubuntu's
[06:35] <__learner__> is there any for ubuntu?
[06:36] <poof> sudo synaptic from commandline
[06:36] <trey3> __learner__: to download .debs individually is to utterly miss the point of apt.
[06:36] <HappyFool> __learner__: you'll probably need a line like this in your /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[06:36] <__learner__> yeah, but apt is not showing the package.
[06:36] <trey3> HappyFool: plus add multiverse to the end of that  :)
[06:36] <HappyFool> __learner__: see ubuntuguide.org for a list of useful repositories to add
[06:37] <poof> anyone here useing hoary? If so what version of Gimp you guys got?
[06:37] <Vaportrail> trey3 must be a NASA thing
[06:37] <tritium> 2.2
[06:37] <trey3> poof: 2.2+rel
[06:37] <poof> Swet thanks
[06:37] <poof> nice
[06:37] <trey3> but don't ask me what the rel refers to
[06:37] <poof> I might switch
[06:37] <__learner__> there is universe multiverse and mariliat on my file
[06:37] <randabis-wireles> hah I am sharing a windows printer with ubuntu using samba
[06:38] <HappyFool> __learner__: have you done apt-get update ?
[06:38] <linux_mafia> trey3, i still wanna know why all the java how tos, are for complex manual installs, when you can just use java-package to make j2sdk, and j2re debs
[06:38] <trey3> linux_mafia: I personally think that method is more difficult than just installing and symlinking  :/
[06:39] <linux_mafia> what typing one command
[06:39] <poof> if hoary is Xorg how do you guys make it work with ATi cards? is Xorg cool to ATI cards? I need I need Open GL with hardware excelleration.
[06:39] <__learner__> yes, updated through synaptic
[06:40] <randabis-wireles> you could get a cheap geforce 4 ti card, that's how your ati card would run in linux anyway
[06:40] <randabis-wireles> heh
[06:40] <poof> I am useing Nvidia card now but when i re-install I might pop a radeon 9800 into this system
[06:40] <linux_mafia> IRCsloth, gnetmd
[06:40] <tritium> poof, don't know about ATI, but nVidia hardware acceleration works just fine
[06:40] <poof> Cool
[06:40] <IRCsloth> yeah, but that doesn't allow for music transfer
[06:40] <linux_mafia> IRCsloth, oh
[06:40] <trey3> linux_mafia: technically 'chmod +x j2re[tab]  ; mv jre[tab]  /usr/lib/ ; ln -s /path/to/java/plugin /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins' is one command too...
[06:41] <randabis-wireles> poof, you might take a performance hit unless you just have a really crappy nvidia card
[06:41] <poof> I hear next week ther is a Ubuntu package going to be released for ATI
[06:41] <linux_mafia> trey3, heh
[06:41] <IRCsloth> yeah, only for controlling the player, music transfer isn't supported. :-(
[06:41] <trey3> poof: actually later this week apparently...
[06:41] <poof> Nice :)
[06:41] <tritium> crappy new iriver.com website sucks
[06:41] <IRCsloth> I called sony about it and wrote them an e-mail... hopefully enough people will do it to push them to support it
[06:42] <BockBilbo> trey3, will that package support 3d accelearation in ati cards?
[06:42] <poof> hope i can use it with hoary, the ATI card is for dual head system... this Nvidia card is makeing me closterpjobic on 1 monitor :)
[06:42] <HappyFool> __learner__: then there is an error. try running the update again
[06:42] <poof> i am used to haveing deskto 2560X1024 this 1280X1024 is way too small :)
[06:43] <IRCsloth> :-)
[06:43] <Vaportrail> is there a way to slow down the mouse in x (not gnome)? my mouse runs very fast, TOO FAST; in 3D Games
[06:43] <tritium> poof, your nVidia doesn't support Twinview?
[06:43] <IRCsloth> my laptop has 1902x1200
[06:43] <randabis-wireles> sensitivity maybe?
[06:43] <HostingGeek> i say PPRacer is a must in hoary
[06:43] <Vaportrail> yes, but how?
[06:43] <kebac> my mouse runs too slow
[06:43] <HostingGeek> http://projects.planetpenguin.de/index.php
[06:43] <kebac> KDE
[06:43] <poof> yea, the Nvidia card only has 1 out
[06:43] <BockBilbo> well
[06:43] <HostingGeek> as tuxracer went closed source
[06:43] <BockBilbo> it was nice talking to you
[06:44] <poof> both my ATI cards had dual head
[06:44] <BockBilbo> gotta go
[06:44] <Vaportrail> to slow is no prob: but to fast is
[06:44] <gsuveg> i have a gimp source with debian dir. how can i build .deb from it ?
[06:44] <BockBilbo> gotta go
[06:44] <HostingGeek> this project has improved the current free GPL open source tux raver A LOT
[06:44] <__learner__> same thiong. that package is not showing.
[06:44] <BockBilbo> bye!
[06:45] <poof> bye
[06:45] <xiximkopp> do you have framebuffer in hoary??
[06:45] <poof> 0o
[06:47] <HappyFool> __learner__: go to a terminal and type 'apt-cache search ptbr$'
[06:47] <xiximkopp> does anybody in here have framebuffer in ubuntu hoary?
[06:49] <poof> OMG i got Hijacked in linux! in my user/bin folder there is a file named Enlarge_your_manhood.txt 0o... Thease bloody porn sites are ruthless!! I thought i was safe in linux...
[06:50] <__learner__> HappyFool: I did it, there's only "mozilla-locale-ptbr" there, but I think it is not for firefox.
[06:50] <zido> sure, you downloaded that yourself
[06:50] <poof> actualy I recently had to get a reduction so I could fit through doorways.
[06:51] <HappyFool> __learner__: doh! sorry. that was the one i was seeing.
[06:52] <gsuveg> whats the name of debian build env?
[06:52] <poof> sid?
[06:52] <poof> sid,sarge,woody
[06:52] <__learner__> how can I install the package I downloaded?
[06:52] <tritium> hmm, there are broken symolic links in my /usr/bin (ckeygen, conch, tkconch)
[06:52] <xiximkopp> does hoary use vesafb-tng or the old one? i have a vesafb module, so i think it is tng one...
[06:53] <HappyFool> __learner__: hmm. not sure. take a look at 'man dpkg'
[06:53] <tritium> __learner__, dpkg -i package.deb
[06:54] <__learner__> tx
[06:55] <__learner__> hey people, is there a X config tool called dexconf? or something like that?
[06:56] <__learner__> tx
[06:56] <xiximkopp> __learner__, manpage says:  dexconf  -  generate  XFree86  X server configuration file from debconf data
[06:56] <__learner__> tx a lot it worked!
[06:56] <tritium> good deal
[06:58] <__learner__> My friend has it's keyboard not working properly, what is the easiest way to make it work again? in your opinion. (I mean reconfiguring it)
[06:58] <Vaportrail> may anybody tell me how I start Enemy Territory using ALSA?
[06:58] <mini-> hello there...
[06:58] <kent> is it a known fact that the update-notifyer has problems to install on Hoary? it complains about some upgrade-notifyer file :( looks like a typo with some name..
[06:59] <mini-> i need some help.. i can't set up a internet connection on my computer with ubuntu.
[06:59] <seb128> kent: dpkg -P upgrade-notifier
[06:59] <seb128> kent: the package has been rename to update
[06:59] <xiximkopp> mini-, what's your problem?
[07:00] <mini-> i don't know how to set it up.. :)
[07:00] <mini-> im a newbie
[07:00] <mini-> to linux.
[07:00] <xiximkopp> mini-, what kind of connection do you have?
[07:01] <mini-> adsl...
[07:01] <mini-> broadband with username and password
[07:01] <kent> seb128, i know about the namechange, but when i tried to install the new package, it removed the old upgrade-* but complained about the lack of a file with upgrade* in the name. I got an error and could not install it. and saw that there was a simular problem in the user mailinglist
[07:01] <xiximkopp> mini-, type pppoeconf in a console
[07:02] <jglete> I have a problem with booting.
[07:02] <mini-> terminal?
[07:02] <xiximkopp> mini-, then you will be asked username + password
[07:02] <xiximkopp> mini-, yes
[07:02] <seb128> kent: what error exactly ?
[07:03] <kent> seb128,   (not sure if this is to much to poste)  touch: kan inte berra "/var/lib/upgrade-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp": Filen eller katalogen finns inte
[07:03] <kent> E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'touch /var/lib/upgrade-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp': Sub-process returned an error code
[07:03] <mini-> is that all xiximkopp?
[07:04] <xiximkopp> mini-, should be
[07:04] <mini-> ok thanks
[07:04] <kent> seb128,  its translated to swedish. it says "cant touch" and "the file or directory does not exist"
[07:04] <jglete> The GRUB only reach to "GRUB loading, please wait...". I have 11 computers very similar: the fact is that the 6 ones with Seagate harddrives work without problems, but the 5 ones with Maxtor drives, don't.
[07:04] <daniela> _learner_: voltei
[07:04] <seb128> kent: so dpkg -P upgrade-notifier
[07:05] <xiximkopp> jglete, try to make a boot partition at first place on your hd
[07:05] <xiximkopp> jglete, some bioses/drives cant handle lba well...
[07:05] <kent> seb128, i did that now. and it seems to work. not sure, but it was probably me who did something wrong. But an upgrade made it that way, so perhaps the upgrade did not remove the old package correctly or something?
[07:08] <daniela> my keyboard is not working well...after updating to hoary.....what i do
[07:09] <__learner__> can you help daniela please.
[07:09] <__learner__> sheis got trouble with keyboard layout.
[07:09] <xiximkopp> daniela, did you configure it in xorg.conf?
[07:09] <mini> it worked >D
[07:10] <mini> :D
[07:10] <daniela> no =P
[07:10] <daniela> how i do that
[07:10] <mini> ok.. how do i change the keyboard setting?
[07:10] <xiximkopp> type this in a term: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:10] <mini> i want it in norwegian!
[07:10] <daniela> what is nano)
[07:11] <seb128> kent: you use a devel branch, bugs happen
[07:11] <tritium> daniela, it's like pico
[07:11] <daniela> ok
[07:11] <seb128> kent: the problem is known, a bug is open, please be patient
[07:11] <dhamilto> nano - excellent little text editor
[07:11] <xiximkopp> daniela, it is a text editor
[07:11] <daniela> ok..i will do on vim
[07:11] <xiximkopp> ok
[07:11] <mini> anyone know how to do it_
[07:12] <mini> ?
[07:12] <kent> seb128, im aware of the problems.  please dont think in complaining about it, :(
[07:12] <xiximkopp> then edit the option "XkbLayout" to your language
[07:12] <daniela> lol.....this dont exist
[07:12] <jglete> xiximkopp, thanks for your advice. Do you think it's possible to force LBA? I've tried setup --force-lba (hd0) but it seems it doesn't help.
[07:12] <seb128> kent: so what do you want ? there is already a bug in bugzilla and people are working on it
[07:13] <daniela> xiximkopp: this /etc/X11/xorg.conf dont exist
[07:13] <mini> can anyone help me?
[07:13] <xiximkopp> jglete, maybe it works... but the only way i can boot is when my boot partition is the first one... i doesnt have to be big... about 50-100MB
[07:14] <kent> seb128, well.. from the beginning i just asked if it was a known fact, nothing more. and we shall leave it now,  i should not bother you any more :)
[07:14] <xiximkopp> daniela, do you have xfree86 or x.org?
[07:14] <daniela> sfree86
[07:14] <daniela> x*
 I only know how to do it in KDE but under the control pannel ther is a regonal setting... I bet there is simular thing in GNOME but I am new...
[07:15] <xiximkopp> daniela, you said that you use hoary...
[07:15] <xiximkopp> daniela, ok then edit your xfree86 config
[07:15] <seb128> kent: no problem, don't worry. The bug is known if that's the question :)
[07:16] <HostingGeek> OMG
[07:16] <HostingGeek> what is that nousy
[07:16] <HostingGeek> it sounds like a plane but a bit diffrent
[07:16] <mini> and yes another thing..my other hdd is installed and the driver is working but i cant accses it..
[07:16] <daniela> where it is
[07:17] <daniela> xiximkopp: where i find it
[07:17] <jcspray> mini: computer->desktop preferences->keyboard.
[07:17] <xiximkopp> in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:17] <daniela> i will try
[07:17] <xiximkopp> good luck
[07:17] <mini> jcspray, thanks mate :)
[07:17] <daniela> tx
[07:17] <daniela> =P
[07:18] <tolstoy-> just updated hoary and can't start X because it can't find the xtt module (nvidia).  Any pointers?
[07:18] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, did you also update your kernel?
[07:19] <mini> and yes another thing..my other hdd is installed and the driver is working but i cant accses it..
[07:19] <jcspray> mini: what's the deal with this hard disk?  What kind of filesystems?
[07:19] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: not sure.
[07:19] <mini> the same as the other i have..
[07:19] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: when I run dpkg, the package names are so long, I can't see if I have the appropriate nvidia deb.
[07:19] <mini> not fat32 but ntsc or something..
[07:19] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: is that the prob, though, do you think?
[07:20] <__learner__> is there any way to use grub splash screens in ubuntu?
[07:20] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, make sure you have the nvidia packages and the kernel-restricted modules
[07:20] <bob2> tolstoy-: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l
[07:20] <tolstoy-> bob2: a hah!
[07:20] <tritium> tolstoy-, export COLUMNS=132
[07:21] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, or change the driver to nv as glx doesnt work at the moment
[07:21] <mini> jcspray,  it found the hdd when i was chosing which one i would use to install ubuntu
[07:21] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: that might be an option.
[07:21] <tolstoy-> man, this 80 column stuff is impossible anymore.
[07:21] <jcspray> mini: have a look at the file "/etc/fstab": see if it contains an entry corresponding to /dev/hdb or so.
[07:22] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, also make sure you have everything from xorg...
[07:22] <_Stefan_> hi
[07:22] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: well, so apt-get doesn't do that for me?  "nv" doesn't work either.  Still won't load xtt.
[07:23] <_Stefan_> i have a little problem, can someone help me please?
[07:23] <_Stefan_> i just installed ubuntu
[07:23] <Crane> what's up _Stefan_
[07:23] <mini> jcspray,  as i was saying im a n00b to linux.. so i don't know what you are talking about..
[07:23] <Crane> what's the prob
[07:23] <_Stefan_> but i cant boot my windows xp from grub
[07:24] <daniela> xiximkopp: seams to be all ok...do u have some idea)
[07:24] <Crane> are you getting an error?
[07:24] <_Stefan_> no
[07:24] <_Stefan_> it says
[07:24] <_Stefan_> wait...
[07:25] <xiximkopp> daniela, there is a gnome applet where you can choose the keyboard layout
[07:25] <jcspray> mini: open a text editor (such as in 'accessories'), and open "Filesystem"->"etc"->"fstab".
[07:25] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, just a moment
[07:25] <_Stefan_> title Windows NT/2000/XP
[07:25] <_Stefan_> rootnoverify (hd0,0)
[07:25] <_Stefan_> chainloader +1
[07:25] <_Stefan_> makeactive
[07:25] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: i've been running hoary, just updated, so perhaps there's an error in a recent update.
[07:25] <mini> jcspray,  found it..
[07:25] <exe||> how the fuck can I arm the box?
[07:26] <bob2> 'arm'?
[07:26] <exe||> arm the box is harder than install ubuntu
[07:26] <bob2> and please mind your language
[07:26] <daniela> xiximkopp: i know...there is all ok
[07:26] <Vaportrail> amsg [sry4amsg] 
[07:26] <bob2> ?
[07:26] <exe||> sorry
[07:26] <exe||> assemble the box
[07:26] <mini> jcspray,  now what?
[07:27] <exe||> the fucking box, I'm becoming crazy
[07:27] <bob2> exe||: please mind your language
[07:27] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, i also updated...
[07:27] <exe||> sorry, sorry
[07:27] <bob2> exe||: maybe #ubuntu-es would be a better place to go?
[07:27] <jcspray> mini: see if there's a line corresponding to your second hard disk: disks are labelled /dev/hda[abcd] 
[07:27] <HappyFool> what box is that?
[07:27] <bob2> 'arming a box' doesn't make sense in English
[07:27] <exe||> bob2 assemble the box
[07:27] <tritium> unless you want to give your box a gun
[07:27] <exe||> the box that comes with ubuntu's cd
[07:27] <bob2> exe||: you want to build a computer?
[07:28] <bob2> oh, the display thing?
[07:28] <daniela> xiximkopp: do u have another idea
[07:28] <_Stefan_> can someone help me?
[07:28] <mini> jcspray, hda1 and hda5
[07:28] <Crane> _Stefan_,  was that from your menu.lst
[07:28] <xiximkopp> daniela, no sry...
[07:28] <mini> so both of them are there..
[07:28] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: my home machine seemed to work fine with the latest updates (also nvidia), but my two work machines.... hm.
[07:28] <daniela> ok tx
[07:28] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: and I was just helping someone with Fedora packages, so now I'm all messed up, naming wise.
[07:29] <jcspray> mini: hda1 and hda5 would be two partitions on the first hard disk.
[07:29] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, do you have a line where the xtt module is loaded in xorg.conf?
[07:29] <_Stefan_> it says that when i try to boot from windows
[07:29] <mini> jcspray,  ohh
[07:29] <tritium> _Stefan_, it says what?
[07:29] <jcspray> a second drive on the first IDE cable would be hdb, or if it was on the second IDE cable hdc or hdd
[07:29] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: yeah. commenting that out didn't work.  i'll try it again
[07:29] <mini> jcspray, hda1 and hda5 and hdd
[07:29] <exe||> bob2 nono, the box that comes with ubuntu cds.
[07:30] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, i dont have that line...
[07:30] <_Stefan_> title		Windows NT/2000/XP
[07:30] <_Stefan_> root		(hd0,0)
[07:30] <_Stefan_> savedefault
[07:30] <_Stefan_> makeactive
[07:30] <_Stefan_> chainloader	+1
[07:30] <_Stefan_> that
[07:30] <jcspray> mini: is hdd a cdrom drive?  Look along the line.
[07:30] <mini> yes
[07:30] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: failed to initialize the nvidia kernel module, no screens found.
[07:30] <_Stefan_> i have the windows and the linux partition in the same hdd
[07:30] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: which package contains that module?
[07:31] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: linux-restricted-modules, maybe.
[07:31] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, the nvidia module is in linux-restricted-modules
[07:31] <tritium> _Stefan_, take a loot at /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:31] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, yes
[07:31] <jcspray> mini: do a "ld /dev/hd*" in a terminal: look for entries with a number on the end that don't begin hda
[07:32] <_Stefan_> ok
[07:32] <kweller> does anybody know if enabling alsa software mixing causes instability? i'm getting random freezeups, since i enabled it.
[07:32] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, try something like modinfo nvidia or modprobe nvidia
[07:32] <tritium> make sure it has what you pasted up above
[07:32] <poningru> hey guys just finished installing everything yesterday
[07:32] <xiximkopp> to make sure it is installed
[07:32] <poningru> wanted to know how to set up a firewall
[07:32] <_Stefan_> it does
[07:32] <bob2> poningru: you don't need a firewall on the default install
[07:32] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: module nvidia not found.  okay, checking to see if the right version of the restricted packages is installed.
[07:32] <poningru> ?
[07:33] <tritium> _Stefan_, was this something the installer system added, or did you add those lines yourself?
[07:33] <_Stefan_> no, the system installer
[07:33] <poningru> why not? what about virus scanner?
[07:33] <tritium> What does update-grub output?
[07:33] <mini> jcspray,  that command doesn't work..
[07:33] <bob2> poningru: what would a firewall do?
[07:33] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: I've kernel 2.6.10-4, but the most recent "restricted" is 2.6.10-3.  Is that the prob?
[07:33] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, that would be the best... you could also try to boot into another kernel
[07:33] <poningru> not allow access to hackers, control outgoing programs
[07:34] <bob2> poningru: if you keep up to date with security fixes and don't run programs people send you, you have very very very little to fear from viruses
[07:34] <bob2> poningru: firewalls on linux don't control outgoing programs like that
[07:34] <poningru> hmm
[07:34] <_Stefan_> Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub .
[07:34] <_Stefan_> Testing for an existing GRUB menu.list file... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst .
[07:34] <_Stefan_> Searching for splash image... none found, skipping...
[07:34] <_Stefan_> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386
[07:34] <_Stefan_> Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
[07:34] <poningru> anywhere I can read up on this stuff?
[07:34] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, i'm not sure... i also updated but didnt restart...
[07:34] <jcspray> mini: ach, I meant ls not ld.
[07:34] <poningru> and stop bugging you
[07:34] <mini> jcspray,  :)
[07:35] <_Stefan_> reboot?
[07:35] <sap> bob2: i got acpi working (better, not perfect) on my x31 using the pmtesting setup given on the wiki.
[07:35] <tritium> _Stefan_, it didn't find a Windows entry.
[07:35] <bob2> sap: ah, cool
[07:35] <sap> bob2: I'm not sure what's so special about the kernel though
[07:35] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: then you better beware!  Trying the "boot the old kernel".
[07:35] <sap> bob2: do you?
[07:36] <bob2> sap: it's mainly just swsusp fixes, really
[07:36] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, good luck
[07:36] <__learner__> does anyone here know of a way to make 5button 2wheel mouse work properly on ubuntu/XFree
[07:36] <exe||> the jewel case?
[07:36] <bob2> er, not fixes, actually adding the thing
[07:36] <bob2> exe||: try emailing info@canonical.com for help
[07:36] <exe||> that is what I want to assemble
[07:36] <mini> jcspray,"ls /dev/hd*"?
[07:36] <sap> bob2: would it be easy to build my own using 2.6.10?
[07:36] <tritium> _Stefan_, is the Windows boot stanza uncommented (no # at the beginning of the line?)
[07:36] <jcspray> mini: yes.
[07:36] <bob2> sap: hoary's 2.6.10 kernels have it enabled already
[07:36] <LinuxNIT> anyone know where to get printer drivers for a lexmark x63 and a HP laserjet 2300d for ubuntu?
[07:36] <exe||> bob2 did you assemble it?
[07:36] <mini> doesn't work in terminal..
[07:36] <bob2> seems to work ok except ipw2100 goes insane afterwards
[07:37] <jcspray> mini: so what's the error message?
[07:37] <_Stefan_> no
[07:37] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: odd they'd release an updated kernel, but not update the modules.  Maybe not enough ubuntu-ites use nvidia?
[07:37] <bob2> exe||: someone ate my cds
[07:37] <tolstoy-> hm. 2.6.10-4 wasn't an option. using 2.6.10-1.
[07:37] <mini> no such file or directory.
[07:37] <sap> bob2: is the a way to get that on warty ... I'm not sure I want to change to hoary yet?
[07:37] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, i dont think so, the restricted-modules come often later...
[07:37] <jcspray> mini: did you leave the quotes in?  You weren't supposed to type those.
[07:37] <tolstoy-> and pciep.ko can't be inserted.  weird.
[07:37] <bob2> tolstoy-: ignore it, known bug
[07:38] <bob2> well, "issue"
[07:38] <mini> jcspray,  ohh..
[07:38] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, i'm already used to boot the old one...
[07:38] <tolstoy-> bob2: yeah, it hasn't caused any probs that I know of. ;)
[07:38] <mini> jcspray,  okay that worked..
[07:38] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, run depmod, then you wont see this message
[07:38] <tritium> tolstoy-, you can add pciehp to /etc/hotplug/blacklist so you don't get that error
[07:39] <tolstoy-> tritium: will it eventually be fixed?
[07:39] <kotau> Hurrah!  My MX510 is functional again!
[07:39] <tolstoy-> depmod run. ;)
[07:39] <jcspray> mini: so what do you see other than the hda entries?
[07:39] <mini> jcspray... /dev/hda  /dev/hda1  /dev/hda2  /dev/hda5  /dev/hdb  /dev/hdb1  /dev/hdd
[07:39] <tritium> LinuxNIT, I've got my 2300DTN installed just fine.  The driver was part of one of the foomatic packages, which should be instaleld on your system.
[07:40] <LinuxNIT> ok  well its my dads computer but he said it didnt have it?
[07:40] <bob2> sap: should be able to install http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-image-2.6.10-1-686_2.6.10-4_i386.deb on warty ok
[07:40] <tritium> tritium, yeah.  hat issue is so common, it's documented on either the wiki or ubuntuguide.org, or somewhere
[07:40] <LinuxNIT> ill check it out myself this week
[07:40] <jcspray> mini: alright, so it looks like /dev/hdb1 is your window drive.  Open a root terminal, and do "mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt".
[07:41] <sap> bob2: wicked, thanks!
[07:41] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, i'm sorry but i have to go now.. good luck
[07:41] <rjek> OK.  I've had it.  How do I stop Ubuntu/Gnome/whatever from locking my CD-ROM drive's tray when I load an audio disc?
[07:41] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: thanks!
[07:41] <xiximkopp> bye
[07:43] <mini> jcspray, ok done that.. came an error msg that i didn't have the premission to view the mnt..
[07:44] <kotau> I need to run two commands at ubuntu startup, both to enable my mouse.  When I used slack I added it to .xinitrc, but now with the graphical login I'm not sure if it will work the same.  What is the init file for GDM called so I may edit it?
[07:44] <mini> jcspray,  but it got mounted..
[07:44] <tritium> LinuxNIT, yeah, it's in foomatic-filters-ppds
[07:44] <exe||> cOOL
[07:44] <exe||> my mom assembled the box
[07:44] <exe||> excited
[07:45] <kotau> exetid
[07:45] <jcspray> mini: what if you do a "ls /mnt" from your root terminal?
[07:45] <HappyFool> i still have no clue what box he was talking about
[07:46] <jcspray> cardboard box for displaying the pressed ubuntu cds.
[07:46] <LinuxNIT> ok thanks
[07:46] <tritium> sure
[07:46] <mini> jcspray,  yes now the directories from my other hdd is showing :)
[07:47] <tritium> _Stefan_, so what's the word?
[07:48] <_Stefan_> wait a sec, im rebooting
[07:48] <tritium> ok
[07:48] <jcspray> mini:  cool.  Now we're going to make a directory and entry in /etc/fstab to mount it permanently.  In your root terminal, do "mkdir /media/win" and then "gedit /etc/fstab".
[07:48] <mini> jcspray,  what do i do now?
[07:49] <mini> jcspray,  you got skillz :D
[07:49] <jcspray> mini: look at the second post on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1886&page=1&pp=10 where he's got /dev/hda1 and /mnt/win, you want /dev/hdb1 and /media/win
[07:51] <mini> ok i did what you told me.. now what?
[07:52] <LiMpKiN> hellow
[07:52] <LiMpKiN> I have a problem
[07:52] <LiMpKiN> can someone help me?
[07:52] <bob2> best to just ask
[07:52] <jcspray> mini: save /etc/fstab, then do a "umount /mnt" to unmount it, and then do a "mount /media/win" to mount it as we just set it up.
[07:52] <kotau> maybe spit it out
[07:52] <neilgaiman> hi, I installed ubuntu 3 days ago in my new notebook, I've a usrobotics 8500 adsl modem, someone can say me what I can do? thank's
[07:53] <LiMpKiN> root@limpkin:/home/mat/libio-socket-ssl-perl-0.96.orig # --- **
[07:53] <jcspray> mini: if all goes well, you should be able to navigate to /media/win from the filesystem part of the "Disks" window.
[07:53] <LiMpKiN> root@limpkin:/home/mat/libio-socket-ssl-perl-0.96.orig # perl Makefile.PL
[07:53] <LiMpKiN> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[07:53] <LiMpKiN> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[07:53] <LiMpKiN>         LANGUAGE = "fr_FR:fr:en_GB:en",
[07:53] <LiMpKiN>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[07:53] <LiMpKiN>         LANG = "fr"
[07:53] <LiMpKiN>     are supported and installed on your system.
[07:53] <LiMpKiN> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[07:53] <LiMpKiN> Writing Makefile for IO::Socket::SSL
[07:53] <LiMpKiN> that is my problem
[07:53] <kotau> neilgaiman:  Well Neil, I'd say you'd need to make more graphic novels.  Use the Gimp
[07:53] <no0tic> a good audio files editor?
[07:53] <bob2> LiMpKiN: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[07:53] <bob2> and generate it
[07:54] <LiMpKiN> how?
[07:54] <LiMpKiN> i am a novice
[07:54] <LiMpKiN> can u tell me what to write?
[07:54] <bob2> just run that command
[07:54] <kotau> limpkin he did
[07:54] <bob2> 04:53:53           bob2 | LiMpKiN: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[07:54] <poof>  sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[07:54] <poof> that part :)
[07:55] <LiMpKiN> ah, yes but, for exemple, if i want to change language
[07:55] <LiMpKiN> what do i habe to type,
[07:55] <LiMpKiN> have*
[07:55] <kotau> I need to run imwheel at startup.  Is .xinitrc the thing to edit if I installed vanilla warty?
[07:56] <bob2> kotau: er, are you sure you need to run it?
[07:56] <mini> jcspray, the directory is empty
[07:56] <_Stefan_> hey tritium
[07:56] <kotau> bob2; yes I had to hack my mx510 to get thumb button functionality.
[07:56] <jcspray> mini: was there an error when you did "mount /media/win"?
[07:56] <_Stefan_> doesnt works
[07:57] <mini> jcspray,  yes
[07:57] <jcspray> mini: I'm not going to magically know what it was.
[07:57] <mini> no such file or directory
[07:58] <jcspray> mini: what does "ls /media" say?
[07:58] <mini> jcspray, cdrom  cdrom0  floppy  floppy0  win
[07:59] <LiMpKiN> it is dpkg - what?
[07:59] <jcspray> mini: paste the line that you added to fstab here.
[07:59] <kotau> bob2: basically since there is no logitech driver for the mx510 series I couldnt get thumb buttons to be back and forward while browsing, plus I'd like the ability to remap it.  I followed this guide that I found to be helpful http://www.glaurung.demon.co.uk/info/linux.mx500.howto.html
[07:59] <poof> when i hit Cuntrol-alt-backspace to change windoes manages will it kill the old window manager, os is that still running somewhare? TIA
[07:59] <mini> jcspray,  can't find it..
[08:00] <jcspray> mini: "gedit /etc/fstab"
[08:00] <bob2> kotau: ~/.xsession and choose 'default session' or something from gdm
[08:00] <LiMpKiN> please
[08:00] <bob2> poof: no, ctrl-alt-backspace kills X
[08:00] <jcspray> poof: it'll kill the whole X server, so yes the window manager will be dead.
[08:00] <bob2> LiMpKiN: dude, I told you the exact command.  scroll up.
[08:00] <poof> cool, all the running applications too ? :)
[08:00] <poof> that is nice :)
[08:00] <mini> jcspray,  0k now it opened another window
[08:00] <jcspray> poof: anything that was started in X.
[08:00] <poof> Sweet that Rocks
[08:00] <poof> Thanks
[08:01] <jcspray> mini: yes, you started gedit and opened /etc/fstab with that command.  Now show me the line that you added.
[08:01] <tritium> _Stefan_, yeah?
[08:01] <mini> jcspray, While connecting to session manager:
[08:01] <mini> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[08:01] <tritium> Well, what did you change or do before you rebooted?
[08:01] <mini> jcspray,  and the ect/stab - gedit is empty
[08:02] <_Stefan_> updated grub
[08:03] <tritium> _Stefan_, something is wrong with your /boot/grub/menu.lst, since update-grub ouptut indicates that it doens't find the Windows boot stanza
[08:03] <tritium> doesn't
[08:03] <_Stefan_> this is my menu.lst for the windows partition
[08:03] <_Stefan_> title		Windows NT/2000/XP
[08:03] <_Stefan_> root		(hd0,0)
[08:03] <_Stefan_> savedefault
[08:03] <_Stefan_> makeactive
[08:03] <_Stefan_> chainloader	+1
[08:04] <jcspray> mini: so when I gave you that URL and told you to edit your fstab, you basically just didn't do that.  Not making life easy here.
[08:04] <mini> jcspray,  :)
[08:04] <mini> ok
[08:04] <jcspray> Fine, so we're going to use nano instead of gedit.  Do "nano /etc/fstab" and create a line similar to the one in the post that I linked to above.
[08:04] <tritium> _Stefan_, I know, but read my comment above
[08:06] <broodster> my azuereus wont load up =[
[08:06] <carajean> anybody know of any programs that i can run a couple visual basic programs on for class
[08:06] <carajean> ?
[08:06] <_Stefan_> dont know what to do...
[08:06] <mini> jcspray,  i wrote the command but i can't save it..
[08:07] <bob2> carajean: you want to run a VB program on linux?
[08:07] <jcspray> mini: ctrl+O
[08:07] <broodster> is that even possible?
[08:07] <bob2> not without wine
[08:07] <jcspray> or whatever it says at the bottom of the nano screen.
[08:08] <mini> jcspray, that is open file?
[08:08] <carajean> umm yes sort of i have to create VB progs for class and i need a prog to test them in but i dotn have a win machine
[08:08] <carajean> and i do have wine
[08:08] <bob2> I doubt it will run in wine
[08:08] <bob2> but it's worth a try
[08:08] <xukun> can somebody please help, I,m trying to install the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com, but I get errors all the time, this is one of errors in /var/log/nvidia-installer.log: -> Kernel module compilation complete.
[08:08] <xukun> ERROR: Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko'.  This is most likely
[08:08] <xukun>        because the kernel module was built using the wrong kernel source files.
[08:08] <xukun>        Please make sure you have installed the kernel source
[08:08] <HappyFool> you'll still need visual basic (ie visual studio), won't you?
[08:08] <bob2> yes
[08:08] <carajean> yup
[08:08] <jcspray> mini: on my nano, it says "^O WriteOut".  That saves.  Maybe the bokmal translation is different, I don't know.
[08:09] <bob2> xukun: try #nvidia if you're going to use ones from outside ubuntu
[08:09] <carajean> is there a program like this for linux
[08:09] <bob2> carajean: not one that is compatible
[08:10] <HappyFool> maybe ask your teacher if you can use python instead ;). (if only)
[08:10] <mini> jcspray, ok.. if i try to save is sayd Could not save the file "/ect/fstab".
[08:10] <HappyFool> /etc/fstab
[08:10] <jcspray> was this in a root terminal?
[08:11] <LiMpKiN> root@limpkin:/home/mat/libio-socket-ssl-perl-0.96.orig # dpkg -reconfigure LANGUAGE = "fr_FR:fr:en_GB:en"
[08:11] <LiMpKiN> dpkg: conflicting actions --control and --remove
[08:11] <LiMpKiN> Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*] ;
[08:11] <LiMpKiN> Use dselect for user-friendly package management;
[08:11] <LiMpKiN> Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values;
[08:11] <LiMpKiN> Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options;
[08:12] <LiMpKiN> Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files;
[08:12] <LiMpKiN> Type dpkg --licence for copyright licence and lack of warranty (GNU GPL) [*] .
[08:12] <LiMpKiN> Options marked [*]  produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or `more' !
[08:12] <LiMpKiN> root@limpkin:/home/mat/libio-socket-ssl-perl-0.96.orig #
[08:12] <tritium> xukun, better to use the ubuntu nvidia modules
[08:12] <LiMpKiN> i did what you tell me what to do
[08:12] <bob2> pease don't do that
[08:12] <bob2> no
[08:12] <bob2> that's not what anyone told you to do
[08:12] <LiMpKiN> ? scuse me
[08:13] <carajean> HappyFool what is python and where can i get it?
[08:13] <bob2> 04:54:32           bob2 | 04:53:53           bob2 | LiMpKiN: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:13] <bob2> carajean: he/she was joking
[08:13] <HappyFool> carajean: err, sorry, that was light-hearted.
[08:13] <bob2> carajean: python is another programming language
[08:13] <LiMpKiN> i did, i had an error too
[08:13] <HappyFool> (which is *much* better than VB :P)
[08:13] <xukun> bob2, I will, thanks, but the reason I,m installing the driver is becouse my GeForce4 440 Go have I a problem using the 6629 version of the nvidia drivers, that is what installs after sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx, there 6111 version works fine for this card, but I cant install this version if I do the ubuntu way which I realy like
[08:13] <bob2> LiMpKiN: well, paste that to #flood
[08:14] <xukun> tritium, see that too please
[08:14] <carajean> oohhh lol
[08:15] <tritium> xukun, I have the GeForce4 400 Go myslelf, and I'm only using ubuntu packages
[08:15] <mini> jcspray,  giving up on me?
[08:15] <zAo^> is this normal?
[08:15] <zAo^> none                  5.0M  796K  4.3M  16% /dev
[08:15] <bob2> yes
[08:16] <zAo^> I want to paste another, but Xchat doesnt :)
[08:16] <bob2> that's good
[08:16] <crimsun> hehe
[08:16] <zAo^> ../dev                  6.9G  3.8G  2.8G  59% /.dev
[08:16] <bob2> ignore that
[08:16] <zAo^> first dots are mine :)
[08:17] <xukun> tritium, if I install that version my desktop brakes in to two parts, I had this also with debian too before, but after I installed the 6111 version that worked for me, and that is what I,m trying to do now
[08:17] <tritium> xukun, that's bizarre
[08:18] <jcspray> mini: I said, was this in a root terminal?
[08:18] <jcspray> mini: and almost, yes.
[08:18] <xukun> tritium, its like a have two desktop with yellow/green lines at the right side of the monitor, ooh and I,m using a laptop
[08:18] <xukun> maybe that is way
[08:18] <xukun> why
[08:18] <tritium> xukun, I don't know, then.
[08:19] <tritium> Does RMS want to rename it to gnubuntu?
[08:20] <xukun> tritium, thanks anyway, bob2 you too
[08:20] <mini> jcspray,  i did it both places..
[08:20] <tritium> xukun, no problem, and sorry
[08:20] <asynic> hrmm, what's the root password after installation?
[08:21] <poof> sudo
[08:21] <kotau> asynic; there is none
[08:21] <xukun> bob2, can you atleast tell me if I,m using the right kernel-sources so the nvidia drivers will compile too, I,m also a bit confuse about that?
[08:21] <poof> no root password
[08:21] <will_> asynic: no root by default,
[08:21] <poof> use sudo and fakeroot
[08:21] <will_> use SUDO
[08:21] <jcspray> mini: in the root terminal, "nano /etc/fstab".  You *can* save that file, I promise you.
[08:21] <bob2> xukun: er, you don't need kernel-sources, you want to install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[08:22] <xukun> bob2, sorry that is what I mean
[08:22] <bob2> that's all you need
[08:22] <asynic> will_, so is the sudo password my user password?
[08:22] <bob2> yes
[08:23] <mini> jcspray, ok.. did that command..
[08:23] <mini> jcspray, now what..? i still can't press save.
[08:23] <will_> asynic: yes
[08:23] <asynic> ok, one other thing.  I have some weird cursor in the middle of my screen - looks like the default X cursor
[08:24] <bob2> asynic: and another one moving around the screen?
[08:24] <will_> asynic: you can do sudo /bin/bash to access a root terminal
[08:24] <asynic> bob2, yes
[08:24] <dataw0lf> asynic: whaddya doing?
[08:24] <bob2> you need to disable HWCursor
[08:24] <bob2> your chipset/X driver is buggy
[08:25] <xukun> bob2, uname -a gives me  2.6.10-1-386, so sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-1-386 will do or do I have to install linux-headers-2.6.10-1-686?
[08:25] <asynic> dataw0lf, just got my new laptop.  don't tell xilch or I'll have to go to work :P
[08:25] <bob2> xukun: it has to exactly match the output of uname -r
[08:25] <bob2> so, the former
[08:25] <xukun> bob2, ok thanks a lot
[08:25] <__learner__> what is best xine totem or xine gstreamer?
[08:26] <bob2> xine will play more formats
[08:26] <bob2> but will uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[08:26] <bob2> probably easiest to use gxine
[08:26] <bur[n] er> anyone have a .deb package of 'coaster' ?
[08:26] <__learner__> gxine, tx.
[08:27] <jcspray> mini: I'm busy now.  Ask someone else "I want to edit fstab to mount /dev/hdb1 as ntfs"
[08:27] <asynic> bob2, hrmm, that's in my XF86Config-4 ?  I don't see HWCursor
[08:27] <mini> jcspray, ok thanks for the help :=
[08:27] <mini> :)
[08:27] <bob2> asynic: yeah, you need to add it manually
[08:27] <mini> I need some help here!! "I want to edit fstab to mount /dev/hdb1 as ntfs"
[08:28] <HappyFool> heh
[08:28] <mini> but it would save.
[08:28] <_Stefan_> hi
[08:28] <_Stefan_> i need some help
[08:28] <mini> wouln't save*
[08:28] <poof> I cant seem to see enlightnment when I reboot :/ is there some way to view Enlightenment when in session menu at login?
[08:28] <_Stefan_> i installed ubuntu, but i cant boot windows xp
[08:28] <HappyFool> mini: sudo nano /etc/fstab
[08:28] <bur[n] er> mini: do it as root
[08:28] <bob2> asynic: ala http://dynevor.hopto.org/linuxiste/XF86Config-4
[08:28] <bob2> poof: just run it out of ~/.xsession
[08:28] <bur[n] er> _Stefan_: is it in the boot menu?
[08:28] <_Stefan_> yes
[08:29] <_Stefan_> when i select it, it doesnt boots
[08:29] <poof> Ok I try, thanks bob :)
[08:29] <mini> ok done that.. now what?
[08:29] <bur[n] er> _Stefan_: check /boot/grub/menu.lst and make sure it's pointing to the right drive
[08:29] <mini> can't save it still
[08:29] <bur[n] er> mini: get an error?
[08:30] <bretzel> e there, I've installed all stuff requiered to play DVD video, xine did successfully played a DVD movie but only once: after that it says : "cannot find input pluggin for MRL [dvd:/]  ??? Why it is screwed ??
[08:30] <bur[n] er> you should be able to do it as root mini
[08:30] <mini> Could not save the file "/ect/fstab".
[08:30] <bur[n] er> uhh... /etc you mean?
[08:31] <HappyFool> mini: you need to be very careful with these filenames
[08:31] <HappyFool> it must be *exactly* /etc/fstab
[08:31] <HappyFool> "sudo nano /etc/fstab"
[08:31] <_Stefan_> title		Windows NT/2000/XP
[08:31] <_Stefan_> root		(hd0,0)
[08:31] <_Stefan_> savedefault
[08:31] <_Stefan_> makeactive
[08:31] <_Stefan_> chainloader	+1
[08:31] <gen> flood alert
[08:31] <Vaportrail> :D
[08:31] <poof> where is  ~/.xsession usualy usr/bin ?
[08:31] <crimsun> ...
[08:31] <HappyFool> ~ means your home directory
[08:31] <tritium> bur[n] er, His menu.lst looks correct.  It was even generated from the installer.
[08:31] <bur[n] er> _Stefan_: that looks ok
[08:32] <HappyFool> so /home/poof/.xsession
[08:32] <bur[n] er> does windows even try to boot?
[08:32] <_Stefan_> the windows partition is in hda1
[08:32] <poof> Ah thankyou :)
[08:32] <bur[n] er> cool... then menu.lst is ok
[08:32] <bretzel> please, someone know what happen ? I've installed all stuff required to play DVD video, xine did successfully played a DVD movie but only once: after that it says : "cannot find input pluggin for MRL [dvd:/] " ??? Why it is screwed ??
[08:33] <bur[n] er> bretzel: try in totem?
[08:33] <will_> bretzel: did you install the libdvd packages?
[08:33] <poof> is there a switch for DIR to allow me to see hidden folders in terminal?
[08:33] <bur[n] er> poof: ls -l
[08:33] <bur[n] er> er... ls -a rather
[08:33] <poof> thanks
[08:33] <_Stefan_> then what should i do?
[08:33] <tritium> _Stefan_, please run "sudo update-grub" once more, and double-check that the output does not indicate that if finds the Windows stanza.
[08:33] <bretzel> bur[n] er, will: yop I said it played once a DVD movie  ( libcss2, libdvd etc....
[08:33] <bur[n] er> _Stefan_: what happens when you boot windows?
[08:34] <poof> WOW! ls is neat COLOR :D
[08:34] <bretzel> oops read libdvdcss2 ...
[08:34] <poof> Thanks
[08:34] <bur[n] er> bur[n] er: try it in totem?
[08:34] <bur[n] er> poof: sure
[08:34] <will_>  bretzel: have you installd libxine1 ?
[08:34] <LiMpKiN> excuse me for beeing a french newbie
[08:34] <LiMpKiN> but i havent still understood
[08:34] <gen> french fry
[08:34] <bob2> try #ubuntu-fr, maybe
[08:34] <bretzel> Ok it plays in totem, why no in xine ?
[08:35] <techn9ne> you need totem-xine
[08:35] <bretzel> a locked file/socket  left unlocked ?
[08:35] <will_> bretzel: i find vlc works well with all formats :) give it a try
[08:35] <mini> HappyFool, can you help me?.. don't understand nothing now..
[08:36] <bretzel> xine successfully plyed a DVD movie why xine cannot now ?
[08:36] <will_> totem has a great interface though :)
[08:36] <bur[n] er> bretzel: you don't need totem-xine
[08:36] <bur[n] er> bretzel: just stick with totem?  or you care about xine?
[08:36] <HappyFool> mini: what happened now?
[08:36] <HappyFool> hmm
[08:36] <asynic> dataw0lf, is there a way to get a newer xchat?
[08:36] <mini> can we take it from the beginning?
[08:36] <LiMpKiN> they dont answer
[08:37] <will_> bretzel: any error messages in the /var/log dir?
[08:37] <bur[n] er> asynic: apt-get install xchat
[08:37] <HappyFool> mini: ok. we need to add a line to a file called 'fstab' found in directory '/etc'
[08:37] <LiMpKiN> just please tell me the exact syntax  please
[08:37] <poof> Hmmm I must have broke it or something, i have no .Xsession
[08:37] <asynic> bur[n] er, yeah, this one is old
[08:37] <Korqz> I need some help. I have WinXP installed and I started Ubuntu install with the disk. The installation went fine and I had prepaired a partition for Ubuntu. But when it wants to install Grub and that does not work. I tried it on the Master Boot Record but it still wont work. What is wrong?
[08:37] <LiMpKiN> with language for example
[08:37] <mini> HappyFool, ok
[08:38] <bretzel> duh! now I realize that I have no sound anymore in my system, alsamixer shows all volumes ok but no sound...
[08:38] <poof> all i got is folder name .xsession-errorss
[08:38] <bur[n] er> asynic: the one in apt?
[08:38] <HappyFool> mini: nano is a text editor, which will let you edit that file
[08:38] <asynic> bur[n] er, yeah
[08:38] <asynic> 2.0.8
[08:38] <mini> HappyFool, ok.. following..
[08:38] <bur[n] er> huh... i dunno, i use debian sources :\ sorry asynic
[08:38] <will_> bretzel: DOH! choose the right sound server in xine
[08:39] <HappyFool> mini: and finally, /etc/fstab is a protected file, so you need to be root (i.e., administrative user) to edit it, which is why we're using sudo
[08:39] <HappyFool> mini: you know how to open a terminal ?
[08:39] <bretzel> no no, I mean system-wide : no sounds
[08:39] <mini> HappyFool, yes
[08:39] <HappyFool> mini: ok, do that
[08:39] <HappyFool> (open a terminal)
[08:39] <Korqz> I need some help. I have WinXP installed and I started Ubuntu install with the CD. The installation went fine and I had prepaired a partition for Ubuntu. But installing GRUB does not work. I tried it on the Master Boot Record but it still wont work. What is wrong?
[08:39] <mini> applications->systemtools->terminal..
[08:40] <HappyFool> that's right
[08:40] <zenwhen> does anyone know of a way to browse reiserfs partitions from within windows?
[08:40] <HappyFool> mini: you've got the terminal open ?
[08:40] <mini> yes
[08:40] <bretzel> xine isn't running it is totem
[08:40] <poof> LOL what is delete command in unix? I try del,delete, and dl.... am I getting close?
[08:40] <bob2> rm
[08:40] <poof> Ah
[08:40] <djuuss> LOL
[08:41] <will_> bretzel: check nothing is muted in the FULL 'Volume Control' panel
[08:41] <bob2> (remove)
[08:41] <poof> thanks :)
[08:41] <HappyFool> mini: ok, type    sudo nano /etc/fstab
[08:41] <HappyFool> it must be *exactly* that
[08:41] <will_> poof: rm
[08:41] <HappyFool> not /ect/fstab or /etc/stab or anything else ;)
[08:41] <will_> poof: be careful with it though
[08:41] <mini> yes..
[08:41] <zerokarmaleft> anybody else here subscribe to the Ubuntu-Traffic RSS feed?
[08:41] <poof> i was going to guess that next..LOL jokeing, Thanks everyone :)
[08:41] <HappyFool> mini: what happened ?
[08:41] <mini> password right?
[08:41] <djuuss> rm -R if you want to use it on folders
[08:41] <HappyFool> ah, yes
[08:41] <djuuss> (with files in them)
[08:41] <bob2> poof: there's no undelete, remember, so be careful
[08:41] <djuuss> and rmdir for empty folders
[08:42] <HappyFool> mini: enter your user password
[08:42] <poof> Cool thanks for tip :)
[08:42] <mini> HappyFool, i can't write anything there..
[08:42] <will_> poof: type man rm for more info :)
[08:42] <HappyFool> mini: it's just not showing the characters
[08:42] <mini> doesn't work...
[08:42] <HappyFool> mini: it's a security thing
[08:42] <HappyFool> mini: type the password, and press enter
[08:42] <mini> ohh fuck..
[08:43] <will_> Korqz: what errors are you getting?
[08:43] <Korqz> like "Fatal error".......
[08:43] <mini> ok
[08:43] <mini> done that
[08:43] <HappyFool> mini: now what happened?
[08:43] <mini> im inside the file now
[08:43] <Korqz> it doesnt say anything
[08:43] <bretzel> Shit: why does alsamixer shows PCM volume set to ..a value and the mixer from vlolume control in gnome as it to zero: setting that mixer PMC volume and it is ok now... sorry if I am looking silly but I was used to alsamixer... emu10k1 is in both mixers
[08:43] <HappyFool> mini: what does the first line say?
[08:44] <will_> Korqz: can you paste it into www.pastebin.com
[08:44] <mini> GNU nano 1.2.3                  File: /ect/fstab
[08:44] <poof> is there a Nuke switch for rmdir so it deletes folder/directory and all files inside... I must remove this Filfth from my hard disk...
[08:44] <HappyFool> mini: it must be /etc/fstab NOT /ect/fstab
[08:44] <will_> bretzel: ALWAYS keep your PCM to around 2/3rds (for most soundcards) otherwise you get serious distorsion
[08:45] <HappyFool> mini: do you see the difference? etc not ect
[08:45] <mini> yes
[08:45] <bob2> poof: rm -rf /path/to/blah/
[08:45] <HappyFool> ok, so which is it?
[08:45] <poof> Thanks Bob
[08:45] <bob2> poof: (again be careful, there's no safety net)
[08:45] <will_> korqz: do you use any other boot manager?
[08:45] <poof> cd ..
[08:45] <Korqz> nope
[08:45] <_Stefan__> hey tritium
[08:45] <tritium> _Stefan_, yes
[08:45] <Korqz> XP autoboots
[08:45] <mini> HappyFool, /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[08:46] <mini> now its right now?
[08:46] <HappyFool> mini: yes
[08:46] <poof> That was easy Thanks Bob :)
[08:46] <HappyFool> mini: be careful, you don't want to mess this file up ;)
[08:46] <HappyFool> mini: your windows partition was /dev/hdb1 , right ?
[08:46] <bretzel> will: I know but what I am confusing about is that alsamixer showed PCM volume around 2/3rd in effect but in gnome volume manager PCM volume was at zero: wow, something has happened ...
[08:47] <_Stefan__> when i try to boot XP it says
[08:47] <will_> Korqz: the disk (partition) you install the bootloader on needs to be the ACTIVE partition (the one you normally boot straight off) and you cant install the boot lader to a 'Extended partition' (only primary, sometimes logical)
[08:47] <_Stefan__> filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7
[08:47] <mini> hda1 and hda5 i think?
[08:47] <Korqz> and can i make it active somehow?
[08:47] <LiMpKiN> root@limpkin:/usr/sbin # dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:47] <LiMpKiN> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[08:47] <LiMpKiN> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[08:47] <LiMpKiN>         LANGUAGE = "fr_FR:fr_en:GB:en",
[08:47] <LiMpKiN>         LC_ALL = "fr",
[08:47] <LiMpKiN>         LANG = "fr"
[08:47] <LiMpKiN>     are supported and installed on your system.
[08:47] <LiMpKiN> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[08:47] <LiMpKiN> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:47] <LiMpKiN> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:47] <Ensiferum> evening.
[08:47] <LiMpKiN> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:47] <LiMpKiN> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed
[08:47] <LiMpKiN> root@limpkin:/usr/sbin #
[08:48] <will_> bretzel:different programs adjust different levels, so you end up with a mess:) some progs will use OSS, some eSound
[08:48] <gen> attack of the killer flood
[08:48] <xvlun> hi, is it possible to get a regular debian installation by adding the debian sources to the sources list and then upgrading?
[08:48] <will_> LiMpKiN: DO NOT PASTE IN HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:48] <tritium> _Stefan_, that's different from before.  What did you do since last time?
[08:48] <HappyFool> mini: (from earlier) Ask someone else "I want to edit fstab to mount /dev/hdb1 as ntfs"
[08:48] <Ensiferum> anyone know if samba stopping to work, might somehow be connected to mounting it with sudo?
[08:48] <bretzel> Thanks all, I have to go now :=)
[08:48] <mini> ok
[08:48] <dud> morning happy campers
[08:48] <_Stefan__> the upgrade maybe
[08:48] <mini> then its that..
[08:48] <Ensiferum> when i do the mount, the shares work for a momemnt, i.e i can read+write. some time later i get permission denied trying to write. :|
[08:49] <tritium> _Stefan_, what did you upgrade?
[08:49] <_Stefan__> grub
[08:49] <will_> Korqz: where is your winXP partition?
[08:49] <poof> *<:^o)
[08:49] <HappyFool> mini: ok, we need to add a line to the bottom of this file
[08:49] <will_> bretzel: good luck!
[08:49] <Korqz> C: or hdc0
[08:49] <Korqz> hdc1
[08:49] <HappyFool> mini: move the cursor to the bottom of the file with the arrow keys
[08:49] <tritium> _Stefan_, I don't always see your messages if you don't address them to me.
[08:50] <will_> what other os's do you have on your system?
[08:50] <HappyFool> mini: i'm assuming you know what that means -- please let me know if you don't
[08:50] <mini> HappyFool,  ok done it..
[08:50] <tritium> _Stefan_, what was the output from update-grub?
[08:50] <HappyFool> mini: good
[08:50] <Korqz> only xp
[08:50] <will_> korqz are you running some kind of linux now, or windoze?
[08:51] <HappyFool> mini: ok, type this line:    /dev/hdb1     /mnt/windows     auto     ro,user,umask=000    0    0
[08:52] <HappyFool> mini: let me know before you save the file
[08:52] <Korqz> windows now
[08:52] <mini> i cant write "/"
[08:52] <Korqz> cant access linux due to the trouble with grub
[08:53] <HappyFool> mini: why not?
[08:53] <mini> it just write's this "o"
[08:53] <will_> Korqz: are you running windows then?
[08:53] <HappyFool> hmm
[08:53] <Korqz> yes
[08:53] <will_> Korqz: what is on your first hard drive, hda?
[08:53] <HappyFool> mini: but it was ok when you typed sudo nano /etc/fstab earlier ?
[08:53] <mini> yes
[08:53] <Korqz> cd-rom
[08:54] <mini> but i'll just copy\paste
[08:54] <HappyFool> mini: hmm
[08:54] <tritium> _Stefan__
[08:54] <Korqz> will_ my first is cd-rom
[08:55] <will_> Korqz hda should be a hard disk, you must set your hard disk to PRIMARY MASTER and you CD-ROM to PRIMARY SLAVE, or SECNDARY
[08:55] <will_> sorry, SECONDARY
[08:55] <HappyFool> mini: let me know before you save
[08:55] <Korqz> ok
[08:55] <poof> is it a bad idea to install Erlang on Ubuntu? i am haveing problems with Wings 3d, in debina when I install wings it installs Erlang also... I am thinking this might help me...
[08:55] <Korqz> will it work after that u think?
[08:56] <Korqz> i thought of that but i didnt imagine it could matter
[08:56] <will_> Korqz, do you have any other had disks, or cd roms?
[08:56] <Korqz> yes a S-ATA disk too but that is not involved in neither xp nor linux installation its only storage
[08:57] <Korqz> its ntfs
[08:57] <will_> Korqz: linux normally calls your cd-rom hdc your hard drive should be hda and that should have the first partition hda1 (windows) hda2 (ext3) and hda3 (swap)
[08:58] <Korqz> ok i c
[08:58] <Korqz> do i have to have a swap?
[08:58] <will_> Korqz: be very careful with the partitions, because you can lose your windows partition in the blink of an eye.
[08:58] <Korqz> i know
[08:59] <Korqz> thanks for the help will_
[08:59] <Korqz> appreciate it
[08:59] <will_> Korqz: if you still ahve problems reinstalling, write down the errors (or at least some of them and come back and tell me =
[09:00] <Korqz> sure
[09:00] <will_> im off for a bit ppl....bbl
[09:00] <Korqz> me 2
[09:02] <tritium> Why doens't xine have a menu entry?
[09:03] <bob2> because it doesn't ship a .desktop file
[09:03] <tritium> bob2, thanks
[09:03] <djuuss> (which is a bad thing)
[09:03] <Guardiann> good afternoon people
[09:04] <tritium> I just recall that I had a xine menu entry on my debian unstable machine
[09:04] <Guardiann> xine has a menu icon after it gets installed if thats what you were asking
[09:04] <bob2> it'll be there on debian
[09:05] <tritium> Yeah, that's what I was asking, Guardiann, but no, I don't have an icon.
[09:05] <Guardiann> tritium once you have installed it will appear under multimedia
[09:05] <romulo> hi, my keyboard is configured, locales are configured but the key "?/" doesnt work, can anyone help me? i got that after updating the system last night
[09:05] <Guardiann> you may have to log out and log back in tho
[09:06] <tritium> Guardiann, no, I installed several logins ago.
[09:06] <Guardiann> strange mine is there
[09:06] <tritium> There is no "Multimedia" section
[09:07] <Guardiann> under applications?
[09:07] <zAo^> msn (Gaim) disconnecting too?
[09:07] <will_> tritium: you can make one easy!
[09:07] <tritium> will_, I know...
[09:07] <tritium> Guardiann, right.
[09:07] <tritium> bob2's explanation made sense to me
[09:08] <Guardiann> its there?
[09:08] <tritium> Guardiann, no, not there.
[09:08] <Guardiann> oh well mine is
[09:08] <bob2> Guardiann: did you install ubuntu from scratch?
[09:08] <Guardiann> yeah i did
[09:08] <Guardiann> its warty not hoary thp
[09:09] <romulo> how i downgrade one package?
[09:10] <djuuss> no
[09:10] <djuuss> warty is older
[09:10] <djuuss> (but by no means old)
[09:10] <Guardiann> yep it is but stable :)
[09:10] <djuuss> i like warty a lot actually
[09:11] <Guardiann> works great for me so far
[09:11] <djuuss> but i'm stuck on mandrake10.1 for now
[09:11] <djuuss> (official powerpack, not too bad, my dad bought it for his pc after i installed community for him)
[09:12] <tritium> Guardiann, there are differences between the gnome menu systems on Warty and Hoary.  Perhaps that's the difference.
[09:12] <djuuss> never heard him utter the word "windows" ever since..
[09:12] <Guardiann> yeah it maybe
[09:13] <sulkd> hehe
[09:13] <sulkd> I wonder if macos users flame and fume as much as linux users
[09:13] <tritium> dpkg -L xine-ui reveals that it does install a .desktop file, just not under /usr/share/applicaions
[09:13] <djuuss> what is the topic?
[09:14] <sulkd> djuuss, "ATI vs nVidia flamewars are offtopic here."
[09:14] <sulkd> :] 
[09:14] <djuuss> macos just get flamed
[09:14] <sulkd> heh.
[09:14] <djuuss> one way to introduce flaming to the ppc world: distro's of macos
[09:19] <mini> HappyFool, it worked fine :D
[09:20] <HappyFool> mini: good :)
[09:20] <mini> thanks :D
[09:23] <smitty> i have a question about burning an audio cd. i burn mp3 disks fine. I turn my mp3's into waves and put them in CD/DVD create...it burns it...but my ps2 and cd player doesn't recognize it.where did I go wrong?
[09:24] <dud> smitty, do you select the new audio cd thingie?
[09:25] <dud> if you burn them as cd data, it wont be playable on normal audio cd players
[09:25] <romulo> the ubuntu Xorg comes with transparency support and shadows?
[09:25] <dud> romulo, its possible to enable that ive heard
[09:25] <sladen> romulo: they're disabled by support since they are known to be buggy and cause slow-downs
[09:25] <sladen> romulo: but they are compiled in
[09:25] <dud> no idea how, but ive heard people doing it successfully
[09:26] <romulo> sladen, so i can just enabled it ...cool
[09:26] <krism> anyone happen to get the cingular/attws Edge pcmcia connection cards working under linux?
[09:27] <smitty> no I just turn the mp3's to waves with Xmms. then paste them in cd/dvd create and it makes a cd data wave disk I guess
[09:28] <smitty> I just learned how to convert the data last week
[09:28] <felixdz> Hi I need pppoe to come up at boot time. Is there somewhere to put the file so it automatically logs in?
[09:29] <smitty> do I need to attempt a comand prompt?
[09:30] <mini> HappyFool, the hdd is read only? :S
[09:31] <HappyFool> yah
[09:31] <HappyFool> ntfs is readonly in linux
[09:31] <mini> serriously?
[09:31] <mini> so i can't install anything on it?
[09:31] <HappyFool> no
[09:31] <mini> damn.
[09:32] <HappyFool> you wanted to install a linux program there?
[09:32] <mini> then i guess linux isnt for me..
[09:32] <mini> no i wanted to use my hardisk..
[09:32] <mini> put stuff in on it..
[09:32] <Ensiferum> fat32 works
[09:32] <HappyFool> if you need to share disk space between linux/windows, you can use FAT32 instead
[09:32] <thenuke> but do you really have to share it?
[09:33] <mini> i deleted xp..
[09:33] <thenuke> cannot you have dedicated partition for linux
[09:33] <smitty> i might need to use windows till i can get the hang of this
[09:33] <HappyFool> mini: i'm guessing you didn't want to do this?
[09:33] <thenuke> you can have both, linux and windows, on same harddisk
[09:33] <thenuke> but different partitions
[09:33] <smitty> yeah it's awsome
[09:33] <mini> well what can i do with a hardisk that is read only?
[09:34] <smitty> paper weight?
[09:34] <HappyFool> mini: backup data etc
[09:34] <will_> i keep win98 for gaming!!! linux for everything else :)
[09:34] <HappyFool> mini: or play your mp3's or whatever
[09:35] <xvlun> any ideas how it is possible to mount aes loop devices created with other distributions?
[09:35] <xvlun> aes support seems to be broken...
[09:35] <mini> yes but i can't put anything i download in on it..
[09:36] <HappyFool> mini: i'm afraid this is a limitation of ntfs support under linux
[09:36] <HappyFool> do you need to have a windows partition?
[09:36] <randabis-wireles> there is limited ntfs write support, but you have to enable it in your kernel
[09:36] <smitty> i've recantly converted from XP to Linux. I'm into that home recording thing. Is Linux good for home recording?
[09:36] <HappyFool> you said you erased XP, so if you don't want windows anymore, you can erase it and make it a "normal" linux partition
[09:37] <oling> the fonts in QT apps are far to big? where can i change this? (also the folder icons in nautilus are huge)
[09:38] <mini> ok so if i install a game i can't do it?
[09:38] <zAo^> when is the Xorg ATI driver released?
[09:38] <HappyFool> mini: well, if i install a windows game i normally run windows to play it
[09:38] <ubuntu_fool> I have a stupid question.
[09:39] <ubuntu_fool> How do I connect to anotehr device (ex. a router) via a serial cable.  I am using the Ubuntu live CD.
[09:39] <pdkl> ubuntu_fool, i have a stupid answer.
[09:39] <Agrajag> does the livecd come with the program "minicom"?
[09:39] <mini> so what do you need linux for+
[09:39] <mini> ?
[09:39] <pdkl> use a com program
[09:39] <ubuntu_fool> I am familiar with the process, but Ihave never connected via Linux to a serial device before
[09:40] <pdkl> trying to think of one since i havent used one sine the 90s
[09:40] <Agrajag> ubuntu_fool: minicom is what I've always used
[09:40] <Agrajag> it works well
[09:40] <HappyFool> mini: software development
[09:40] <Agrajag> but if it's not on the CD, you may be SOL
[09:40] <ubuntu_fool> I can't find minicom.  bummer
[09:40] <mini> can anyone gimmi directions for a mp3 player for linux?
[09:41] <Agrajag> what mp3 player, and by linux do you mean ubuntu?
[09:41] <pdkl> you try rythme box?
[09:41] <sensebend> mini, xmms
[09:41] <mini> where download+
[09:41] <xvlun> i like rhythmbox although it is by no means perfect
[09:41] <Agrajag> mini: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:42] <pdkl> xvlun, aye, i use itunes myself, but thats on my mac
[09:42] <HappyFool> mini: see also ubuntuguide.org
[09:42] <sensebend> iTunes can run on Linux with Crossover office
[09:42] <xvlun> itunes isnt available for linux, isnt it?
[09:42] <Agrajag> no
[09:43] <xvlun> so its not really an opytion...
[09:43] <krism_> one more disconnect from this Edge card, and i'm going to embed it in a Cingular rep.
[09:43] <pdkl> i like itunes, mainly cause of my ipod
[09:43] <sensebend> iTunes can run on Linux, just the CD burning portion won't work
[09:43] <sensebend> with the use of third party software
[09:43] <pdkl> vmware?
[09:44] <sensebend> Crossover Office
[09:44] <della> is there a netinst image for ubuntu?
[09:44] <sensebend> basically an enchanced version of WINE
[09:44] <Agrajag> vmware would prbably work too, but why run an entire virtual machine for one program?
[09:45] <xvlun> why not using something native
[09:45] <Agrajag> xvlun: I dunno, I use muine or rhythmbox myself
[09:45] <_Stefan_> hi
[09:46] <xvlun> if rhythmbox could only edit tags :(
[09:46] <_Stefan_> i need help
[09:46] <pdkl> i should create a html site wizard
[09:46] <mini> i don't think linux is for me.. anyone else got another got os to recommed?
[09:46] <pdkl> ya ever see RapidWeaver?
[09:46] <_Stefan_> i installed ubuntu
[09:46] <Agrajag> linux isn't an OS
[09:46] <Agrajag> it's a kernel
[09:46] <mini> ok
[09:47] <Agrajag> ubuntu is an OS, slackware, debian, redhat, mandrake, gentoo, etc are OSes
[09:47] <krism_> mini: why not? what's the trouble?
[09:47] <_Stefan_> but i cant boot with my windows xp
[09:47] <Agrajag> if you don't want to deal with linux at all, your only real option is windows
[09:47] <Agrajag> or mac os
[09:47] <Hydrus> or be0s :)
[09:47] <Agrajag> Hydrus: that's not a viable option
[09:47] <will_> mini: do you have a ds boot disk?
[09:47] <Agrajag> and I love beos
[09:47] <Agrajag> but it's just... not good
[09:47] <xvlun> well there are solaris, HPUX, IRIX, AIX....
[09:47] <Hydrus> heh, i know :p
[09:48] <mini> krism_, im a gamer\ downloader.. doesn't seem like linux is that friendly to me :P
[09:48] <Agrajag> xvlun: I'm assuming he wants something that will run on x86 or ppc
[09:48] <krism_> mini: install windows, or get a ps/2.
[09:48] <pdkl> whats the difficulty you having stefan?
[09:48] <mini> hehe.. i have an xbos and xp sp2 pro..
[09:49] <krism> could someone kindly /ping me?
[09:49] <_Stefan_> i installed ubuntu
[09:49] <_Stefan_> but grub doesnt boot from my windows xp
[09:49] <sensebend> 2.84 seconds krischan
[09:49] <ArCHoNKoG> i just  did apt-get update and amd i donwloaded the new kernel now nvidia is not loading in gdm
[09:49] <sensebend> err krism
[09:49] <ArCHoNKoG> what should i do
[09:49] <tolstoy-> ArCHoNKoG: I have that same problem.  Haven't found a solution yet.
[09:49] <_Stefan_> it says filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7
[09:49] <krism> sensebend: thanks. kindy sucky ping, but it is a wireless card
[09:49] <ArCHoNKoG> am not reinstalling
[09:49] <pdkl> ArCHoNKoG, you reinstall nvidia drivers?
[09:50] <ArCHoNKoG> no
[09:50] <ArCHoNKoG> lets see
[09:50] <tolstoy-> ArCHoNKoG: you might try downloading the appropriate "restricted" modules.
[09:50] <pdkl> resintall nvidia drivers
[09:50] <pdkl> nvidiai drivers are based on the kernel version
[09:50] <tolstoy-> pdkl: that didn't work for me, for some reason.
[09:51] <ArCHoNKoG> what the packages name to remove
[09:51] <tolstoy-> pdkl: booting the old kernel did.  hm. maybe there's some rmmod, modprobe action needed
[09:51] <zAo^> router restart :)
[09:53] <tolstoy-> is anyone here running the 2.6.10 kernel AND have nvidia working?
[09:53] <tritium> yes
[09:54] <tolstoy-> okay. so it is possible then. ;)
[09:54] <tritium> yep :)
[09:54] <pdkl> tolstoy-: did you check your /var/log/messages ?
[09:54] <tolstoy-> pdkl: not yet.
[09:54] <Guardiann> tolstoy- you running hoary?
[09:55] <ArCHoNKoG> nope resinstalling didn't work
[09:55] <tolstoy-> Guardiann: yeap.
[09:55] <ArCHoNKoG> any ideas on getting gdm after upggradeing kernel ? on update
[09:55] <Guardiann> you sound works ok?
[09:56] <tolstoy-> interesting. I get "invalid module format" when attempting to modprobe nvidia
[09:56] <tritium> ArCHoNKoG, did you upgrade a kernel and not restricted-modules?  What video card do you have?
[09:56] <ArCHoNKoG> no clue and i have 6800 UT
[09:57] <pdkl> i have had problems with pnp acpi on 2.6.10 kernel
[09:57] <will_> tolstoy: have you tried the nvidia drivers in apt-get?
[09:57] <jmlaf> bonjour
[09:57] <ArCHoNKoG> tritium: you got it working ?
[09:57] <ArCHoNKoG> i don't understand it was working fine befor upgrade
[09:57] <tritium> which kernel?
[09:57] <ArCHoNKoG> i restart and there nothing
[09:58] <tritium> 2.6.10?
[09:58] <tolstoy-> will_: yes.  you're talking the "restricted-modules" right?
[09:58] <ArCHoNKoG> yea
[09:58] <pdkl> go back to 2.6.9 ;)
[09:58] <tolstoy-> I wonder if it's the agpgart driver.  I see something about that in bug #5242
[09:58] <ArCHoNKoG> thats the one i had
[09:58] <tritium> -4?
[09:58] <tolstoy-> 2.6.9 works for me. ;)
[09:58] <ArCHoNKoG> -10
[09:59] <tritium> No, I don't think so.  It's only up to 2.6.10-4
[09:59] <ArCHoNKoG> sorry i meant -1
[09:59] <ArCHoNKoG> 2.6.10-1-386
[10:00] <tritium> Oh, you're using 386 kernel?
[10:00] <ArCHoNKoG> yea
[10:00] <will_> tolstoy-: did it work?
[10:00] <tolstoy-> seems that #5242 suggests you rename agpgart and sis_agp (in my case, intel_agp) so they don't get loaded.
[10:00] <ArCHoNKoG> 2700 amd
[10:00] <tolstoy-> will_: installing the requisite packages didn't work.
[10:01] <tritium> ArCHoNKoG, isn't 2.6.10-3 available for 386?
[10:01] <Vaportrail> grml, I even don't get it how to compile mplayer with ALSA-support
[10:01] <ArCHoNKoG> no clue
[10:01] <toptnc> hi all
[10:01] <will_> tolstoy-:try in synaptic and everything gets installed :)
[10:01] <tritium> Right now 2.6.10-4 is available, but not restricted-modules
[10:01] <tolstoy-> will_: the kernel mod is there, but I get an "Invalid module format" for the nvidia.ko file located in the 2.6.10-1 module tree.
[10:01] <toptnc> one question, wich version of x.org is actually in hoary?
[10:01] <tritium> only 2.6.10-3 for restricted-modules
[10:02] <tolstoy-> will_: guess I'd have to reboot to 2.6.9 to do that.  Is synaptic better than apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:02] <will_> tolstoy-:it is probably a changein kernel since you built it?
[10:02] <tolstoy-> will_: I didn't build the kernel or the restricted-modules.
[10:02] <tritium> ArCHoNKoG, "dpkg -l | grep linux"
[10:03] <will_> tolstoy-:remember when you have multiple kernels, things can get confusing and you can build for the wrong kernel etc etc
[10:03] <tritium> ArCHoNKoG, tell me what version (3rd column) your 2.6.10 kernel is
[10:03] <tolstoy-> will_: I didn't build 'em.  Just installed the latest hoary packages.
[10:04] <tolstoy-> will_: I wonder if there's a packaging mismatch.
[10:04] <ArCHoNKoG> dpkg -l | grep linux
[10:04] <ArCHoNKoG> fuck
[10:04] <ArCHoNKoG> sorry
[10:04] <tolstoy-> will_: When I dpkg -l for restricted, the 2.6.10-1 restricted-modules mentions something about 2.6.10-3.
[10:04] <tolstoy-> (all of this for SMP stuff, too)
[10:04] <will_> tolstoy-: i used the ubuntu unoficcial starter guide to install the nvidia drivers, then ound them useless once i upgraded the kernel, not wanting to reinstall the nvidia everytime i upgrade the kernel i just used the available ones in apt-get
[10:05] <tolstoy-> will_: that's what I'm doing as well.
[10:05] <ArCHoNKoG> tritium: i have alot
[10:05] <tritium> tolstoy-, you probably have the 2.6.10-4 linux-image with the 2.6.10-3 restricted-modules
[10:05] <tolstoy-> tritium: could me.  can I tell that from the installed packages?  and grub only advertises 2.6.10-1
[10:06] <tritium> ArCHoNKoG, linux-image-2.6.10-1-386
[10:06] <will_> tolstoy-:package NIGHTMARE!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:06] <tritium> tolstoy-, use dpkg -l | grep linux.  Look at the 3rd column
[10:06] <ArCHoNKoG> tritium: i have -1,-4
[10:07] <tolstoy-> tritium, will_: interesting.  The package name says 2.6.10-1, but the third column says 2.6.10-4.
[10:07] <pdkl> x.org is on hoary
[10:07] <pdkl> im using it atm
[10:07] <will_> dpkg -l | grep linuxi have the same thing, but it seems to work
[10:07] <pdkl> only problems is the ati driver not released yet ;-(
[10:07] <tritium> ArCHoNKoG, tolstoy- "dpkg -l | grep restricted"
[10:07] <toptnc> pdkl: wich version is it?
[10:07] <Guardiann> hmmm dumb question for everyone why is everyone having so many problmes
[10:07] <Guardiann> with warty
[10:08] <tritium> See, restricted-modules-2.6.10-4 is not available yet.
[10:08] <pdkl> toptnc, 6.8.x (0)
[10:08] <tritium> You probably only have -3
[10:08] <tolstoy-> tritium: yes.
[10:08] <toptnc> pdkl: i need to know that third number
[10:08] <tritium> That's the problem
[10:08] <pdkl> toptnc, 1 sec ill find out
[10:08] <tolstoy-> let's see if I can find the -4s via apt-cache search
[10:08] <ArCHoNKoG> tritium: nothing
[10:08] <will_> tolstoy-: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#installnvidiadriver
[10:08] <tritium> ArCHoNKoG, do you know your video card?
[10:09] <pdkl> toptnc, 6.8.1
[10:09] <toptnc> pdkl: aha, thanks
[10:10] <pdkl> my mother makes the best pizza in the world
[10:10] <ArCHoNKoG> tritium: yes i do
[10:10] <ArCHoNKoG> geforce FX 6800
[10:10] <ArCHoNKoG> UT
[10:10] <tolstoy-> will_: I've done those things.  I think there's not a compatible nvidia kernel driver for hoary and the 2.6.10-4 kernel.
[10:11] <tritium> tolstoy-, that's what I said
[10:11] <tritium> It's not available quite yet
[10:11] <tolstoy-> tritium: okay. ;)
[10:11] <Hydrus> g'night all
[10:11] <tritium> Don't install linux-image-2.6.10-4 since linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-4 is not available.
[10:12] <Guardiann> so are the problems with warty or hoary
[10:12] <tritium> Guardiann, what problems?
[10:12] <sensebend> is a kernel upgrade every time a new stable version comes out really necessary?
[10:12] <pdkl> i am sticking with 2.6.9 until something gets marked near stable.
[10:12] <tolstoy-> tritium: if they're not available, then I'll consider this "not a bug" and just use the older kernel. ;)
[10:12] <will_> tolstoy-:a ha! did not know you were using hoary!!! sorrY!
[10:12] <tritium> tolle, good plan
[10:12] <Guardiann> the problems that seems like so many are trying to fix
[10:13] <pdkl> my grandmother installed lindows on her computer last month
[10:13] <tritium> Guardiann, it's just that people installed the new kernel since it was available, without realizing that the modules are not yet available.  NOt really a problem.
[10:13] <tolstoy-> will_: :)  yeah, so this all isn't a complaint about quality, just want to make sure I'm doing something worth reporting as a bug.
[10:13] <pdkl> i thought that was neat, she is near 90, and said she got tired of calling me to fix her computer ;-)
[10:13] <Guardiann> ah i see
[10:14] <tritium> I'm sure the 2.6.10-4 restricted-modules will be out soon.  Then the "problem" will go away.
[10:14] <xico> Hi!
[10:15] <Guardiann> i see
[10:15] <tolstoy-> tritium: yeap.  I assumed that dependency checking would keep that problem from happening.
[10:15] <Guardiann> hello xico
[10:15] <tritium> tolstoy-, I don't blame you for that reasonable assumption.
[10:15] <julle> Hi, I compiled fluxbox to my ubuntu, but how do i get it to the gdm sessionlist?
[10:15] <Guardiann> so most of the issues with hoary have been fixed
[10:15] <will_> tolstoy-: if you want my advice, dont use hoary unless you want to test / develop & help, it simply is not read yet. reinstall warty for 'everything works' and maybe have a test machine with hoary on
[10:15] <Guardiann> lol
[10:16] <Guardiann> thanks will_
[10:16] <tolstoy-> will_: i agree with that, but I also like to help, even if just a little.
[10:16] <tolstoy-> will_: so I'm using hoary with eyes open.
[10:17] <techn9ne> how do i change my hostname in terminal?
[10:17] <tolstoy_> well, here I am in beloved X again.
[10:17] <Ensiferum> techn9ne: hostname keke
[10:17] <will_> tolstoy-:i used hoary and helped a bit, but i ended up with an unusable system, so i went back. you can always run hoary on another partition
[10:17] <will_> tolstoy-:yes good old xorg...mmmm sweeet
[10:17] <geppy> Where can I find a deb that would provide the directory '/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build'?  linux-source doesn't seem to.
[10:17] <tritium> will_, unusable?
[10:18] <tritium> What happened?  Did you seek help
[10:18] <tritium> ?
[10:18] <tolstoy_> i've not found it unusuable since the first few weeks.
[10:18] <tolstoy_> but I do have weird "gnome" problems, like sometimes when I "startx", gnome panel thinks its already running, etc.  But I can fix that.
[10:19] <pdkl> tolstoy-, same problem here
[10:19] <tritium> geppy, what about linux-headers?
[10:19] <will_> tritium: no i did not :( it was mainly gnome i think
[10:19] <pdkl> tolstoy-, i just usually go kill gconf*
[10:20] <tolstoy_> pdkl, ah, so gconf is the prob?  I end up killing nautilus, gnome-vfs, gnome-panel, then restart.  I'll try that one next time.
[10:20] <tritium> will_, Oh, well that's too bad.  I think we may have been able to help you.  gnome menus went through a slightly bumpy transition there for a while.
[10:20] <geppy> tritium: much thanks!
[10:21] <tritium> geppy, was that it?
[10:21] <geppy> Yes.  =)
[10:21] <tritium> good deal
[10:21] <tolstoy_> and even though I've enabled spamassasin, edited the file in /etc/default, it still doesn't seem to actually work, far as I can tell.
[10:21] <Mutacion> hi :) how do i active the "root" user once i have install ubuntu?
[10:21] <Agrajag> Mutacion: why do you want to?
[10:21] <will_> tritium: it was with the themes-panel and  other things, but i did use other repositories - not a good idea
[10:21] <pdkl> tolstoy-, eh, i do kill them all
[10:22] <tritium> will_, I see.
[10:22] <tolstoy_> pdkl, ah.
[10:22] <pdkl> just load top up and say everything from myself and start killing things,
[10:22] <Mutacion> Agrajag, so i can bring up eth0
[10:22] <tolstoy_> pdkl, i'm going to write a script soon. ;)
[10:22] <will_> tritium: i will be back on the hoary road very soon... :)
[10:22] <Agrajag> Mutacion: why do you need to actuvate the root account for that?
[10:22] <Agrajag> Just use sudo
[10:22] <Agrajag> sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[10:22] <tolstoy_> wow. evo just froze clicking on the junk filter.  Well! ;)
[10:22] <Agrajag> give it your password
[10:23] <stranger> anyone got a cups server running off a warty install?
[10:23] <Mutacion> Agrajag, anyway i need to active root .. and i dunno how to do it
[10:23] <pdkl> tolstoy-, send it to me ;-)
[10:23] <Agrajag> Mutacion: no you don't. I just told you to use sudo.
[10:23] <pdkl> tolstoy-, though i never leave XWindows
[10:23] <Mutacion> Agrajag, let me go to the other pc
[10:23] <zenwhen> sudo passwd root
[10:23] <stranger> activate root : sudo passwd
[10:23] <pdkl> its only when i am trying to get the ati drivers to work or do xorgconfig
[10:23] <Agrajag> That's really not a ogod idea
[10:24] <Agrajag> sudo is more secure than logging in as root
[10:24] <zenwhen> Agrajag, why is it such a bad idea?
[10:24] <Guardiann> Mutacion read the info on www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:24] <zenwhen> Every other distro has root.
[10:24] <zenwhen> It isnt going to kill your machine unless you are a retard.
[10:24] <Agrajag> zenwhen: on a multi-user system, sudo allows you to keep tabs on who's doing what with root
[10:24] <stranger> its not really that much more secure
[10:25] <stranger> though it does eliminate a know user...
[10:25] <zenwhen> show of hands... how many systems in here are multi user?
[10:25] <Agrajag> stranger: if you can't log in as root, it makes it harder for someone to log in
[10:25] <Agrajag> yes
[10:25] <Agrajag> mine is
[10:25] <zenwhen> Who?
[10:25] <zenwhen> Your mom?
[10:25] <Agrajag> who's using it?
[10:25] <Agrajag> me, my dad, and sometimes my lab partners in school
[10:25] <tritium> I have mom using ubuntu :)
[10:26] <Agrajag> I have a general-use account for them on which the password changes every qurter
[10:26] <zenwhen> oh Agrajag-san -_-
[10:26] <pdkl> eh
[10:26] <zenwhen> Its beans
[10:26] <Agrajag> since the school machines generally don't work and are missing libraries
[10:26] <pdkl> for a root shell just do a sudo bash
[10:26] <Agrajag> yeah
[10:26] <pdkl> thats what i do
[10:26] <stranger> so noone has a cups server running?
[10:26] <Agrajag> there's no need for a root account
[10:26] <stranger> no one rather...
[10:26] <tolstoy_> hm. my .py files don't get a specialized icon any more.
[10:26] <zenwhen> Theres no need to not have one either. 8)
[10:27] <will_> sudo /bin/bash !! yeah!
[10:27] <Agrajag> it's a security risk
[10:27] <stranger> conveiniant to have one
[10:27] <tolstoy_> how _do_ you associate an icon with a file type these days?
[10:27] <pdkl> but i have a mac (os x installed) and i perfer just to sudo on simple things
[10:27] <Agrajag> how is it convenient?
[10:27] <stranger> whatever so is IRC
[10:27] <Agrajag> stranger: how so?
[10:27] <pdkl> most of the time for a desktop sudo is just fine
[10:27] <stranger> I can issue several root commands without typing sudo
[10:27] <Agrajag> stranger: just use sudo -c then
[10:27] <Ensiferum> ubuntu rocks \o/
[10:27] <Agrajag> and yo get a root shell
[10:28] <zenwhen> I usuaslly su to root before cimpiling a kernel just so I dont have to type sudo over and over.
[10:28] <zenwhen> compiling*
[10:28] <zenwhen> whats the difference at that point?
[10:28] <pdkl> while i appreciate the ability to compile the kernel
[10:28] <pdkl> i rather just download it
[10:28] <pdkl> the binary ;-)
[10:28] <Agrajag> zenwhen: no difference at all, except in te way in which you gain priveleges
[10:28] <zenwhen> I dont like the default choices made for me by any distro for the kernel.
[10:29] <Agrajag> let's say there were some security hole in openssh that let you log in as an arbitrary user
[10:29] <Agrajag> if root can log in, you're screwed.
[10:29] <stranger> IRC - Lots of ways to get hacked...
[10:30] <xico> Anyone knows how to run fsck : I have I/O errors dur boot ?
[10:30] <xico> during boot
[10:30] <Agrajag> if they don't know your user name, it'd take a lot longer to ge in, and once they were, they couldn't escalate priveleges without your password
[10:30] <Agrajag> stranger: oh yeah? There's that many security holes in x-chat or irssi?
[10:30] <Mutacion> Agrajag tahnks :)..
[10:31] <xukun> yes
[10:31] <zenwhen> Agrajag, http://www.hardocp.com/
[10:31] <xukun> the nvidia logo shows also the same huge vertical line with all kind of colors
[10:31] <zenwhen> lol
[10:31] <zenwhen> 500 error
[10:31] <Agrajag> zenwhen: [H] ardGawd lol
[10:31] <zenwhen> lol
[10:32] <zenwhen> zenw[h] en
[10:32] <zenwhen> @_@
[10:41] <tolstoy_> no one knows how to assign icons to classes of files in gnome 2.8ish?
[10:42] <xhaker> anyone good with file-systems and such?
[10:44] <xhaker> can someone help?
[10:45] <randabis-wireles> depends
[10:45] <tolstoy_> xhaker, try a specific question.
[10:46] <xhaker> i did a "e2fsck -c -C -y /dev/hda2"
[10:46] <xhaker> on an ext3 fs
[10:47] <xhaker> thinking it would check only, not trying to repair
[10:48] <xhaker> the first thing it did was *** ext3 journal has been deleted - filesystem is now ext2 only ***
[10:48] <xhaker> the system is running well
[10:48] <xhaker> but it think it will not do so well on next reboot
[10:49] <xhaker> what do you think
[10:49] <xhaker> ?
[10:52] <dancek> What are the benefits of Ubuntu compared to plain Debian?
[10:54] <Guardiann> much faster
[10:54] <dancek> Guardiann: what do you mean?
[10:54] <Guardiann> everything i have is much faster more responsive
[10:55] <dancek> give me some examples
[10:55] <Guardiann> lol
[10:55] <Guardiann> like i said everything that i have tried to run is more responsive
[10:56] <dancek> I can't really imagine bash being more responsive ;)
[10:56] <dancek> you mean stuff like kde?
[10:56] <xhaker> ubuntu uses gnome by default
[10:56] <dancek> ok then
[10:56] <jcspray> dancek: nicely integrated GNOME, predictable releases, generally simplified and streamlined.
[10:56] <Guardiann> yep
[10:57] <dancek> guess I might try it sometime then
[10:57] <jcspray> I wouldn't claim it's much faster, I think that depends very much on the particular applications you consider and how well you've got your debian system set up.
[10:57] <dancek> (now I'm running debian unstable)
[10:57] <dancek> is it simple to install?
[10:57] <Guardiann> yes very simple
[10:58] <dancek> ok, thanks for the info
[11:01] <xukun> bob2, the gugys at #nvidia things that there is a bug in the nvidia 6629 version driver and they can help me, I the 6111 version works for or shall I say I did work for me, but if I want to install the 6111 version it says that I dont have the wright kernel-sources and I installed the linux-headers-2.6.10-1-386 , anything you can point me at?
[11:01] <xukun> thinks
[11:02] <xukun> I have have been trying this for long time now
[11:03] <smitty> can someone help me figure out how to burn an audio cd with cd/dvd creator?
[11:04] <Guardiann> smitty check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:04] <Guardiann> or install k3b
[11:05] <kent> Has any one else experienced that dcgui-qt cant fetch the publict list of hubs in Ubuntu?
[11:09] <xukun> tbbl bye
[11:32] <setite> mnooo
[11:33] <xiximkopp__> I HAVE GLX RUNNING IN HOARY!!!
[11:34] <xiximkopp> I HAVE GLX RUNNING IN HOARY!!!
[11:34] <dud> thats nice for you i suppose...
[11:35] <johantilli> Ubuntu! Yeah!
[11:35] <xiximkopp> i think so!
[11:36] <johantilli> me to! had it in 8h now
[11:36] <xiximkopp> just compiled a custom kernel. now everything works!
[11:36] <johantilli> nice
[11:37] <xiximkopp> i installed gentoo for testing my new graphic card with linux... just because it didn't work in hoary...
[11:39] <johantilli> I have a problem..
[11:40] <johantilli> I wan't to make myself the same rights as Sudo have
[11:40] <kent> johane, you dont want that.  Its like asking to always be the person who can screw the system up.   Use sudo only when you need to, its more safe that way.
[11:41] <xiximkopp> johantilli, why?
[11:41] <johantilli> because i want to be able to open files that is protected
[11:42] <xiximkopp> what files?
[11:42] <johantilli> i have another hd thats fat32 and when i take files from there i can't open them
[11:42] <johantilli> because i have no rights to
[11:43] <xiximkopp> johantilli, change the umask :-D
[11:44] <ArCHoNKoG>  did they fix the upgrade error on kernerl
[11:44] <johantilli> what is a umask? =D
[11:44] <johantilli> im a noob.. ;)
[11:45] <johantilli> my first linux
[11:45] <IceCrmBoB> johantilli: umask defines the default permissions
[11:45] <johantilli> ok.. how do i change it?
[11:45] <xiximkopp> johantilli, add the option "umask=000" to fat partitions in your /etc/fstab
[11:46] <johantilli> ok.. thanks! im gonna try!
[11:46] <johantilli> by the way.. how do i change that option? =D
[11:46] <xiximkopp> johantilli, no prob :-)
[11:47] <kent> johantilli, are you from sweden?
[11:47] <johantilli> yes
[11:48] <xiximkopp> johantilli, i was in sweden about 2 years ago..
[11:48] <kent> johantilli, go to #ubuntu.se and ask there,  we are only two persons right now, haha.. but its easyer for me to help if i can speak swedish.
[11:48] <johantilli> okej! thanks allot! :)
[11:48] <johantilli> xiximkopp: sweden is nice :)
[11:48] <ZzeCoOl> guys is there any way to make firefox ask me where to download the file?
[11:49] <IceCrmBoB> ZzeCoOl: yes, in the options
[11:49] <xiximkopp> johantilli, i know!
[11:49] <xiximkopp> johantilli, where do you come from?
[11:49] <ZzeCoOl> i allready check it but it doesnt works
[11:49] <ZzeCoOl> O_o
[11:51] <xiximkopp> ZzeCoOl, there is an option in the prereferences. its called something like: ask me where to download files to
[11:51] <ZzeCoOl> IceCrmBoB: ok it just wants a mozilla restart
[11:51] <ZzeCoOl> xiximkopp: yes i know :)
[11:51] <jored> hi every body
[11:51] <xiximkopp> ZzeCoOl, doenst work?
[11:52] <ZzeCoOl> but it just want to restart the broswer after that
[11:52] <ZzeCoOl> it works now
[11:52] <jored> i dont remember what its the program that have the live cd to make pdf
[11:52] <ZzeCoOl> thanx anyway
[11:52] <xiximkopp> ZzeCoOl, thats good
[11:52] <jored> do you remember the name?
[11:52] <ZzeCoOl> yeahhh
[11:53] <__learner__> can you please tell me what file I need to edit to mount fat and ntfs partitions on boot
[11:54] <jored> any body have the name?
[11:54] <scizzo> __learner__: /etc/fstab
[11:54] <__learner__> tx
[11:55] <Agatha_Christie> join #Agatha_Christie :-)
[11:56] <kent> xiximkopp, did you realy mean "umask=000" would fix the rights etc, when mounting vfat?
[11:56] <IceCrmBoB> kent: that will make all files permissions 777 or -rwxrwxrwx
[11:56] <xiximkopp> kent, yupp, whats wrong with it
[11:56] <xiximkopp> ?
[11:57] <Brad> test, test
[11:57] <kent> xiximkopp, nothing.  I just looked at the ubuntu wiki and it does not do the same thing..  but as long as it works for him :)  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[11:58] <Brad> can anyone explain how to network ubuntu to work with windows xp on VMware?
[11:58] <mkerby> Hi, everyone
[11:58] <xiximkopp> kent: read the comment??
[11:59] <no0tic> hi all!
[11:59] <carthik> Sometimes I wonder how I lived without multiple desktops
[11:59] <xiximkopp> This will only work if you have a single user system
[11:59] <xiximkopp> kent: i told you the permissions for every user
[12:00] <tritium> What's a good applet or tool for viewing available wireless access points?