[12:00] <no0tic> at this startup boot checked filesystems, hda1 (/) 0.5% non-contiguous and /home 4.6% non-contiguos, it's a problem?
[12:00] <IceCrmBoB> no, that's fine
[12:00] <no0tic> IceCrmBoB: why they are non-contiguous?
[12:00] <IceCrmBoB> no0tic: it's fragmentationj
[12:00] <xiximkopp> kent, just unmount & mount and it should work
[12:00] <no0tic> IceCrmBoB: I've always unmounted them before poweroff
[12:01] <IceCrmBoB> no0tic: it's the way the filesystems work
[12:01] <IceCrmBoB> it's not anything to be concerned about
[12:01] <no0tic> IceCrmBoB: and there's non need/way to defragment it?
[12:01] <no0tic> IceCrmBoB: s/non/no
[12:01] <Brad> can anyone explain how to network ubuntu to work with windows xp on VMware?
[12:01] <IceCrmBoB> correct
[12:02] <Brad> query me please
[12:02] <Brad> can anyone explain how to network ubuntu to with windows xp on VMware?
[12:03] <xiximkopp> Brad, i cant... never used vmware. sry
[12:03] <Brad> ok thanks
[12:03] <no0tic> Brad: afaik VMware creates a network interface to make communicate between OSes
[12:03] <Brad> yes
[12:03] <Brad> but i have problems with permissions
[12:03] <no0tic> Brad: but I can't tell u more than that
[12:03] <Brad> xp won't let ubuntu acess
[12:03] <Brad> ok
[12:04] <no0tic> Brad: problably you have to allow ubuntu's IP to access XP machine, but I don't know how... :)
[12:04] <pdkl> Brad, samba?
[12:05] <Brad> i don't use samba
[12:05] <xiximkopp> Brad, perhaps you should...
[12:05] <asynic> synic@manetheren:~ $ sudo echo -n "S3" > /sys/power/state
[12:05] <asynic> bash: /sys/power/state: Permission denied
[12:05] <xiximkopp> ;-)
[12:05] <asynic> anyone know how to fix this?
[12:06] <IceCrmBoB> asynic: echo -n "S3" > tee /sys/power/state
[12:06] <IceCrmBoB> asynic: echo -n "S3" > sudo tee /sys/power/state
[12:06] <IceCrmBoB> even
[12:06] <pdkl> Brad, how is ubuntu trying to access windows xp?
[12:06] <asynic> hmm.
[12:06] <asynic> I guess that means it didn't work
[12:06] <asynic> heh
[12:07] <IceCrmBoB> er
[12:07] <IceCrmBoB> asynic: echo -n "S3" | sudo tee /sys/power/state
[12:07] <IceCrmBoB> try that
[12:07] <IceCrmBoB> I am a retard
[12:07] <Gwildor|laptop> hi guys :)
[12:08] <asynic> S3tee: /sys/power/state: Invalid argument
[12:08] <IceCrmBoB> asynic: the '>' command is interpreted by the current running shell, which is run by your user. the 'echo' command is run as root, so your user has no permissions over the file (in your first example)
[12:10] <pdkl> IceCrmBoB, ah i didnt realize that ;-)
[12:10] <pdkl> learn something new everyday ;-)
[12:13] <asynic> how can I tell ubuntu to use apm instead of acpi ?
[12:13] <no0tic> async you have to change grub's conf
[12:16] <IceCrmBoB> pdkl: excellent :)
[12:21] <Gul3> hello. is there a program for linux that will unlock a hdlocked harddrive?
[12:23] <neighborlee> I can't get my linux supported usb hp officejet 5500 multifucntion printer working..I instlled hpoj and the hpoj frontend to scanne UI but clicking on : appliations > graphics > xsane image scanning program says: no devices avaiable ???
[12:23] <neighborlee> what might I be missing ?
[12:24] <neighborlee> yes of course the usb chord is plugged into back of computer <G>
[12:24] <no0tic> neighborlee: on mdk I had to run ptal-init setup
[12:25] <carthik> I have a 80 GB USB HDD (IOMEGA) - Any tips on setting things up, or getting things working, anyone?
[12:25] <neighborlee> Currently defined device names ([*] =default):
[12:25] <neighborlee>     (none)
[12:25] <neighborlee> no0tic, hmm I tried that and got:: Currently defined device names ([*] =default):
[12:25] <neighborlee>     (none)
[12:25] <no0tic> uhm
[12:26] <no0tic> neighborlee: on mdk I had to run "ptal-init setup"
[12:26] <neighborlee> thats what I mean
[12:26] <neighborlee> I 'ran that' and the output was : Currently defined device names ([*] =default):
[12:26] <neighborlee>     (none)
[12:27] <no0tic> neighborlee: did it ask you anything
[12:27] <neighborlee> Syntax for the root user:
[12:27] <neighborlee>     /usr/sbin/ptal-init start|stop|setup|status|condrestart [-q[uiet] |-v[erbose] ] 
[12:28] <Gul3> is there a program for linux that will unlock a hdlocked harddrive? anyone?
[12:28] <no0tic> neighborlee: the setup option lets you define new devices
[12:28] <neighborlee> no0tic, its not giving me that option set because its finding  'none' for devices ;(
[12:28] <Gwildor|laptop> gu13, how did it get locked?
[12:29] <neighborlee> no0tic, I  had this all working before ..had to reinstall and dont recall how I got working ;(
[12:30] <Brad> ok, now i know i need Samba...i asked someone i worked with, very good, now ....i hope it works with VMware :)
[12:30] <Brad> does Ubuntu support DVD burners?
[12:30] <techn9ne> yes
[12:30] <jkka> yes
[12:30] <doddo> how can i see what is on my ntfs hard drive i have never used ubuntu before.
[12:30] <techn9ne> i burned a dvd today
[12:30] <techn9ne> only w/ nautilus i cant make it work w/ "cdburner"
[12:31] <Brad> ah nautilus...
[12:31] <Gwildor|laptop> what about k3b?
[12:31] <techn9ne> gave me some shit about burning dvd's being unsupported
[12:31] <techn9ne> i dunno i hate k3b
[12:31] <Brad> well my pc is an HPpc with a HP DVD300
[12:31] <Gwildor|laptop> lol
[12:31] <Agrajag> doddo: you need to add a line to /etc/fstab
[12:31] <Agrajag> /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    users,ro,umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec      0 0
[12:31] <Agrajag> something like that
[12:31] <__learner__> I have the specs of my monitor. How can I configure it to work at hogh refresh rates under ubuntu?
[12:31] <Agrajag> only you may have to change the device
[12:31] <jkka> http://jkka.ftp1.biz/desktop_11_01_05.png
[12:32] <Agrajag> and you'll have to do "sudo mkdir /mnt/windows" to make the mountpoint
[12:34] <doddo> Agrajag, ok ill se if i can do that =)
[12:35] <no0tic> jkka: how did you do that?
[12:36] <no0tic> jkka: the ff, tb, icons upper right, etc...
[12:36] <jkka> hmm
[12:36] <jkka> its gdesklet
[12:37] <no0tic> jkka: cool :)
[12:37] <lupus_> modprobe scanner does not work
[12:37] <lupus_> is this normal?
[12:37] <no0tic> jkka: it's not in the repositories
[12:37] <jkka> it is
[12:37] <Gul3> Gwildor|laptop: the harddrive got locked by an xbox.
[12:38] <no0tic> jkka: ah, gdesklets, with the final s :)
[12:38] <jkka> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3012
[12:41] <doddo> Agrajag, i do not have acess to edit /etc/fstab
[12:41] <setite> does ubuntu have nvidia binaries included?
[12:41] <Agrajag> doddo: sure you do.
[12:41] <Agrajag> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[12:41] <mebaran> hey
[12:42] <Agrajag> then give it your password
[12:42] <mebaran> anyone here know about cd burners
[12:42] <Agrajag> setite: no, but they are available in the apt repository
[12:42] <mebaran> GNOME only sets up my first Cd rom
[12:42] <mebaran> the burner is not listed for devices
[12:42] <mebaran> do I just fstab it
[12:42] <warty> this seems like a retarded question but how do i make my app backgrounds transparent
[12:43] <Agrajag> what, all of them?
[12:43] <Agrajag> You don't, not in warty'
[12:44] <warty> uhh like the background for the irc chat
[12:44] <Agrajag> hoary uses an x server that supports transparencies, but it's still in development
[12:44] <Agrajag> in what client?
[12:44] <warty> ubuntu
[12:44] <Agrajag> ubuntu isn't a client
[12:44] <warty> im new to this
[12:44] <Agrajag> what IRC client?
[12:44] <warty> first day
[12:44] <warty> xchat
[12:44] <Agrajag> so, xchat?
[12:44] <Agrajag> ok
[12:44] <Agrajag> settings > preferences
[12:44] <mebaran> out curiousity
[12:44] <Agrajag> text box
[12:45] <mebaran> I am using gaim for my chat client
[12:45] <Agrajag> check "transparent background"
[12:45] <mebaran> any advantages to Xchat
[12:45] <techn9ne> more features
[12:45] <techn9ne> i like xchat
[12:45] <warty> simple enough i looked for about 15 minutes haha
[12:45] <__learner__> I use chatzilla
[12:46] <Agrajag> eh... gaim's irc support has always seemed kind of hacky to me
[12:46] <mebaran> yeah
[12:46] <mebaran> it does seem like a bit of an addon
[12:46] <warty> i really like gaim only problem i have with it is the file transfer and direct connect doesnt work
[12:46] <mebaran> yeah me too
[12:46] <mebaran> I always blamed it on my firewall
[12:46] <warty> haha me too
[12:47] <mebaran> but I found emailing it is always faster
[12:47] <warty> ok another dumb question
[12:47] <mebaran> attachements are superior
[12:47] <mebaran> I like dumb questions
[12:47] <warty> how do i change my nickname in here
[12:47] <mebaran> they are the only ones I can answer
[12:47] <warty> i didnt choose warty
[12:47] <mebaran> hehe
[12:47] <techn9ne>  ./nick newnick
[12:47] <tritium> /nick
[12:47] <warty> ok where do i type that
[12:47] <warty> <<first day
[12:47] <techn9ne> any where
[12:47] <luckyxxx> I am totally new to IM.  Please forgive me if I screw things up.  I have tried to get help in the web forum with no luck.  So I am taking a chance here by learning something new (IM) and hope maybe somebody here can help me.  I have loaded Ubuntu on to my harddrive without loading the boot loader as I already have Lilo installed because I run Xandros.  Unfortunately lilo does not show Ubuntu as an option.  I opened lilo.conf  and found tha
[12:48] <warty> damn
[12:48] <warty> ./nick
[12:48] <warty> ahh forget it
[12:48] <mebaran> hmm odd
[12:49] <Agrajag> warty: /nick whatever
[12:49] <Agrajag> no .
[12:49] <warty> im runnin the live cd im tryin to get a feel for it before i install it
[12:49] <warty> ooooooooo
[12:49] <Agrajag> why does everyone put a dot infront of irc commands?
[12:49] <techn9ne> 'cause if you just type it it will do it
[12:49] <Agrajag> /nick Agrajag
[12:49] <vernoningoal> woot
[12:49] <JConnell> lol
[12:49] <Agrajag> /nick urmom
[12:49] <vernoningoal> thx
[12:49] <mebaran> congrats
[12:49] <Agrajag> see?
[12:49] <Agrajag> you don't need the dot.
[12:49] <Agrajag> use /say
[12:49] <Agrajag> /say /nick urmom
[12:50] <vernoningoal> /nick urmom
[12:50] <techn9ne> /nick blah
[12:50] <techn9ne> ok
[12:50] <Agrajag> and now you know how to not confuse newbies
[12:50] <Agrajag> 8)
[12:50] <mebaran> ok
[12:50] <vernoningoal> im runnin the live cd till i get the feel for it
[12:50] <mebaran> amazing what you learn on IRC
[12:50] <vernoningoal> i know
[12:51] <Crane> hello
[12:51] <Crane> Just wondering
[12:51] <mebaran> vernoningoal: on my system the livecd was much too slow
[12:51] <mebaran> the real ubuntu is very very fast
[12:51] <Crane> what IRC programs are you peeps using?
[12:51] <Guardiann> xchat
[12:51] <mebaran> gaim
[12:51] <vernoningoal> it was slow the first couple times i tried it but its pretty quick now
[12:51] <mebaran> yeah
[12:51] <mebaran> my system had hell with the livecd
[12:52] <Crane> I usually use Xchat but decided to try gaim
[12:52] <mebaran> my hardware must be a tad new
[12:52] <mebaran> gaim is prettier
[12:52] <Crane> mebaran: yep
[12:52] <vernoningoal> only thing that sux i really want to put linux on my computer but for my work i have a program that i think only runs on windows
[12:52] <vernoningoal> booo
[12:52] <Agrajag> what program
[12:53] <mebaran> vernoningoal: what program?
[12:53] <vernoningoal> its called esp its for advertising
[12:53] <Crane> I tried the live CD as well but it didn't run to well on my laptop
[12:53] <Brad> thanks guys
[12:53] <carthik> Hi, can someone help me with a USB HDD mounting?
[12:53] <carthik> Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
[12:53] <carthik> scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[12:53] <carthik>   Vendor: HDS72808  Model: 0PLAT20           Rev: PF2O
[12:53] <carthik>   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 02
[12:53] <carthik> USB Mass Storage device found at 2
[12:53] <carthik> usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
[12:53] <carthik> USB Mass Storage support registered.
[12:53] <carthik> SCSI device sda: 160836481 512-byte hdwr sectors (82348 MB)
[12:53] <carthik> sda: assuming drive cache: write through
[12:53] <carthik>  /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1
[12:53] <carthik> Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[12:53] <carthik> is what dmesg gave me
[12:53] <Prox2far> floooooooooood
[12:53] <carthik> So where was it mounted /dev/scsi0 ?
[12:54] <Crane> hmmmm
[12:54] <Crane> Gaim doesnot have near as many options as xchat
[12:54] <carthik> Prox2far, I'm sorry
[12:54] <mebaran> not sure what to do with all the Xchat options though
[12:54] <mebaran> the gaim options seem like plenty
[12:54] <Agrajag> carthik: /dev/sda
[12:55] <Agrajag> Attached scsi disk sda
[12:55] <IceCrmBoB> carthik: it would be mounted at /media/sda1
[12:55] <Crane> lol I want to log on to another server as well but can't figure out how
[12:55] <Agrajag> partitions would be /dev/sda1 etc
[12:55] <IceCrmBoB> pmount /dev/sda1 will mount it if it's not already
[12:55] <carthik> Agrajag, thanks
[12:55] <Agrajag> IceCrmBoB: would it just automount like that?
[12:55] <IceCrmBoB> Agrajag: yes
[12:55] <Agrajag> Because my iriver h320 didn't do that
[12:55] <carthik> IceCrmBoB, for some reason, automounting doesn't work for me
[12:55] <Agrajag> carthik: yeah, me either
[12:55] <Agrajag> Just make an fstab entry for it
[12:55] <IceCrmBoB> Agrajag: no need
[12:55] <carthik> Agrajag, tried that
[12:56] <Agrajag> IceCrmBoB: uh
[12:56] <e-Jah> night
[12:56] <IceCrmBoB> pmount/pumount is for mounting removable devices
[12:56] <Agrajag> automounting didn't work'
[12:56] <IceCrmBoB> pmount/pumount is for mounting removable devices
[12:56] <carthik> IceCrmBoB, maybe I can use some help figuring out why there;s no /media/sda1
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> carthik: run pmount /dev/sda1
[12:57] <carthik> HrdwrBoB, change your nick to GuruBob or LifeSaverBob
[12:58] <mebaran> pmount comes std in ubuntu?
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> heh, that would put me in a position of looking silly when things didn't work :)
[12:58] <mebaran> whoa
[12:58] <carthik> HrdwrBoB, the dmesg says nothing about sda1, does it? (I want to know how you knew it was at /dev/sda1
[12:59] <HrdwrBoB> carthik: it's my job (I'm a sysadmin)
[12:59] <Crane> lol
[12:59] <mebaran> haha sysadmin
[12:59] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran: yeah it's used to automount things (when it works :) )
[12:59] <mebaran> yeah
[12:59] <mebaran> automount never automounts any of my paritions
[12:59] <mebaran> except the ones in the fstab
[12:59] <verNoningoaL> is there a way to chang that ugly brown ubuntu desktop?
[12:59] <HrdwrBoB> carthik: sda is like hda, except scsi
[12:59] <mebaran> hey the brown is an earth tone
[12:59] <carthik> HrdwrBoB, but seriously, I tried /dev/scsi0 /dev/sda - cause I saw no /dev/sda1 . So how can I find out in the future (my lappy has more than one USB port )
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> sda1 is the first partition of the first scsi drive
[01:00] <verNoningoaL> i like blue
[01:00] <mebaran> well blue would have been nice
[01:00] <verNoningoaL> thats an earth tone too
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> 10:54 < carthik>  /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1
[01:00] <mebaran> to change the background in gnome
[01:00] <carthik> HrdwrBoB, cool
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> that line there shows that it's sda1
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> where it says p1
[01:00] <carthik> that's what I was looking for :)
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> if you plug in another one
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> and it says sdb
[01:00] <mebaran> it is under the computer menu at the top
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> and p1 p2 p3
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> there will be sdb1 sdb2 and sdb3
[01:01] <mebaran> desktop preferences
[01:01] <verNoningoaL> k
[01:01] <carthik> HrdwrBoB, you made my day. Thanks a million.
[01:02] <kotau> oh wow.  Those stars in synaptic means there is a better version out there?  How would one determine which to upgrade?
[01:02] <verNoningoaL> yahtzee
[01:02] <verNoningoaL> thanx
[01:02] <mebaran> you could mark all the upgrades
[01:02] <verNoningoaL> mebaran
[01:02] <mebaran> no problem
[01:02] <mebaran> if you dont like hte blue on top
[01:02] <mebaran> of thewindows
[01:03] <mebaran> I think that is all under theme
[01:04] <kotau> 152 mb of upgrades whew
[01:04] <carthik> HrdwrBoB, to backup everything on my harddisk, do I just do a $sudo cp -r / /media/sda1/carthik/   ?
[01:04] <verNoningoaL> one more tard question
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> carthik: I would not recommend that
[01:04] <mebaran> what would it be
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> carthik: best to just backup your data
[01:05] <carthik> HrdwrBoB, so $sudo cp -r /mnt/windows /media/sda1/carthik/ ?
[01:05] <verNoningoaL> can i make the appearance smaller like instead of an 800x720 like a 1200 or so
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> carthik: yes that would backup all the windows files
[01:05] <mebaran> vernoningoal: of what
[01:05] <verNoningoaL> brb
[01:06] <carthik> HrdwrBoB, and for Linux file /home/carthik/ ...gotcha, thanks
[01:06] <HrdwrBoB> verNoningoaL: computer-> system contfiguration-> screen resolution
[01:06] <HrdwrBoB> carthik: yep
[01:07] <mebaran> but I would like to know
[01:07] <mebaran> if anyone knows
[01:07] <mebaran> how to get Ubuntu to recognize my cd burner
[01:07] <mebaran> seems to have made symlinks for only one of my two drives
[01:07] <verNoningoaL> back
[01:09] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran: what do you mean
[01:09] <verNoningoaL> hrdwrBoB: ony could make it smaller
[01:10] <verNoningoaL> i guess ill live
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> verNoningoaL: you can fix it with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> if you like
[01:11] <verNoningoaL> hmmm
[01:11] <verNoningoaL> this is all greek to me
[01:14] <verNoningoaL> smoke break
[01:17] <dud> I dont suppose anyone has verified ubuntu amd86 to work with the MSI K8NM motherboard?
[01:17] <verNoningoaL> i couldnt tell ya sorry:/
[01:17] <verNoningoaL> im a newb
[01:18] <techn9ne> try the live cd
[01:18] <zenrox> ya
[01:18] <dud> it uses the nVIDIA nForce3 250 MCP Chipset
[01:18] <zenrox> try the 64bit ver live cd
[01:18] <dud> i would, but im considering buying this hardware you see
[01:18] <dud> and id like to know if it works before i cash out
[01:18] <setite> 64bit livecd?!
[01:18] <setite> when did that come out
[01:19] <verNoningoaL> i got like 30 of em
[01:19] <mebaran> they have a 64 bit livecd?
[01:19] <kleedrac> I've got some questions about wifi.  First: where's a good howto/util for setting up ad-hoc networks?  Second: where's a good hotspot finder/connector utility?  I've read about networkmanager-gnome but it's not in the list and I can't find anything but an .rpm.
[01:19] <verNoningoaL> maybe
[01:19] <mdz> setite, mebaran: it's up, but it's buggy at the moment. wait for tomorrow's
[01:19] <setite> interesting
[01:19] <verNoningoaL> i got a thing with 70 disk in the mail there were some 64s in it and the had a live cd in it if its 64 i dunno
[01:20] <mdz> verNoningoaL: the Ubuntu 4.10 live CD is i386-only
[01:20] <mdz> but that's changing for the Hoary release
[01:20] <verNoningoaL> ooo
[01:20] <mdz> see http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/LiveCD
[01:20] <kleedrac> When is the next time discs will ship?
[01:21] <verNoningoaL> i have no clue i got mine in november first time i had time to play with it
[01:22] <dud> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/hoary/array-2/hoary-install-ia64.iso is this the amd64 iso of hoary?
[01:22] <dud> whats this array-1/2 stuff in hoary?
[01:22] <stodge> Hi folks. Anyone using a DVD player with Ubuntu?
[01:22] <jdub> dud: those are pre-releases
[01:23] <jdub> dud: check the report file before downloading them
[01:23] <dud> cant find a live cd amd64 downloadable...
[01:23] <kleedrac> Anyone know anything about wifi?
[01:23] <jdub> dud: there isn't one yet
[01:24] <jdub> dud: you can try i386 for warty or hoary
[01:24] <stodge> My DVD plays back with lots of staticy noise. Anything I can do to fix this?
[01:24] <sladen> stodge: you need the stuff from multiverse since DeCSS/MPEG2 are either illegal or patent encumbered
[01:24] <stodge> I installed /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[01:24] <dud> ok, i thought mdz said there was...
[01:25] <jdub> will be :)
[01:25] <mdz> well
[01:25] <dud> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20050110/hoary-live-amd64.iso ah heh
[01:25] <stodge> I tried setting DMA=1 using hdparm, but I can't  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[01:25] <dud> unofficially there is one
[01:25] <jdub> mdz: oh, we have dailies now?
[01:26] <mdz> dud: read what I wrote above
 setite, mebaran: it's up, but it's buggy at the moment. wait for tomorrow's
[01:26] <dud> mdz, i noticed that
[01:26] <mdz> or maybe later-today's if this fix works out
[01:26] <bluefoxicy> . . .
[01:26] <dud> i wont fetch it untill later this week anyhow
[01:26] <__learner__> how can I use gcc and g++ directly from command line
[01:26] <bluefoxicy> has anybody seen slashdot recently?
[01:27] <poningru> how can I tell which processes are running in background
[01:27] <bluefoxicy> "Sir Richard takes Virgin into Space"
[01:27] <dud> just thought id figure out were i could fetch it
[01:27] <dud> poningru, ps aux
[01:27] <poningru> oh
[01:27] <poningru> I have been trying ps for ever
[01:27] <poningru> thnx dude
[01:27] <__learner__> when i call gcc or g++ from the command line I get a "command not found". But I checked synaptic and Gcc is installed. Do you know what can be happening?
[01:28] <mdz> __learner__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/development-tools
[01:28] <__learner__> tx
[01:28] <mdz> (please browse the rest of the FAQ as well; it probably answers more of your questions)
[01:30] <stodge> Damn won't let me set DMA for DVD. NEver seen that before
[01:30] <pdkl> omg :O
[01:30] <pdkl> winmodem :O
[01:30] <pdkl> thought they dont exist anymore
[01:31] <techn9ne> i didnt know modems still existed
[01:32] <__learner__> tx a lot
[01:33] <lupus_> touch: cannot touch `/var/lib/upgrade-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp': No such file or directory
[01:33] <lupus_> E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'touch /var/lib/upgrade-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp'
[01:33] <lupus_> E: Sub-process returned an error code
[01:33] <lupus_> anyone familiar with this error?
[01:34] <pdkl> hmm
[01:34] <pdkl> sudu it ?
[01:34] <pdkl> err sudo ;)
[01:34] <asynic> is using debian repos the best way to get firefox 1.0 ?
[01:35] <pdkl> i think hoary has it
[01:35] <pdkl> not 100% sure
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> asynic: there's a backports project on sourceforge
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> bp-ubuntu.sf.net from memory
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> or ubuntu-bp
[01:35] <asynic> what are the drawbacks of upgrading to hoary?
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> asynic: possibly breaking your system :)
[01:35] <pdkl> heh
[01:36] <asynic> lovely!
[01:36] <pdkl> yeah possible, but i did it a few weeks ago
[01:36] <asynic> and you're fine?
[01:36] <pdkl> no problems.. but that cant be said for everyone
[01:36] <pdkl> now i am, had X problems and kernel problem
[01:36] <pdkl> XFree to X.org was a bit of an issue
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> my hoary system here is currently somewhat broken
[01:37] <pdkl> what you mean by broken?
[01:37] <kleedrac> http://www.pastebin.com/227435 - anyone know why wireless-tools is broken though installed?
[01:37] <kleedrac> Hoary is working fine for me :)
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> pdkl: X starts, but the top GNOME panel is empty and nautlus doesn't start properly and things like that
[01:37] <pdkl> yep ! same problem!
[01:38] <asynic> alright, I'm no pansy.
[01:38] <pdkl> best solution is to rm -rf ~/.gnome2
[01:38] <pdkl> that solved my issues
[01:38] <dud> hmm, i just ran dist-upgrade 5 minutes ago... hope that doesnt happen to me >_<
[01:38] <pdkl> then just wait...
[01:38] <techn9ne> if you delete gnome2 it will just recreate it when you login again?
[01:38] <dud> dist-upgrade on hoary is a bit like russian roulette i feel
[01:38] <pdkl> after about a week it fixed itself, just make sure your gnome is updated.
[01:39] <kleedrac> Dang ... where's crimsun ... he always seems to have answers for me :)
[01:42] <pdkl> kleedrac, wireless tools does nto provide that header
[01:43] <bluefoxicy> Time to reboot into the new GA kernel.  The guy wants me to gather debugging stats now  o.o;;
[01:44] <asynic> lordy, this upgrade is not a small one, is it?
[01:44] <jdub> dud: it'll be better from here on in, we're in version freeze now
[01:44] <Guardiann> jdub whats verson freeze
[01:45] <pdkl> kleedrac, apt-get install libiw-dev
[01:45] <jdub> Guardiann: it means we're no longer syncing ith sid all the time
[01:45] <jdub> Guardiann: no new upstream version changes, just bigsfixes
[01:45] <jdub> bugfixes
[01:45] <Guardiann> ah i see thanks
[01:48] <brian__> any way of changing soiund servers for gnome to use?
[01:48] <brian__> sound*
[01:50] <asynic> wait... .is this downloading gnome 2.9 ?
[01:51] <dud> hoary is in feature freeze now?
[01:51] <kleedrac> Thanks pdkl
[01:51] <dud> s/feature/version
[01:52] <jocco> anyone know where the istructions for installing Video drivers for Nvidia are? I have spent last 2 hours looking on google,Ubuntu forums, and Ubuntu Wiki.
[01:53] <jocco> Ok I got it nevermind, linux questions.org has the info
[01:54] <HrdwrBoB> jocco: it's also on BinaryDriverHowto in the wiki
[01:54] <HrdwrBoB> in one step?
[01:54] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[01:54] <HrdwrBoB> nvidia-glx enable
[01:54] <jocco> wow, they missed that step
[01:54] <jocco> Thanks hardware Bob :)
[01:55] <HrdwrBoB> make sure you have linux-restricted-modules installed as well
[01:55] <HrdwrBoB> np
[01:55] <jocco> Ok thanks :)
[01:56] <jocco> should I upgrade my kernel to 686 before Graphic driver install, or is that not important... TIA :)
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> not overly, but it's a good idea
[01:57] <jocco> Ok thanks :)
[02:01] <techn9ne> how do i burn a 'img' ?
[02:01] <dud> im getting really psyched about this hardware upgrade
[02:01] <techn9ne> sorry a 'nrg' image
[02:01] <neighborlee> techn9ne, sounds like 'nero'
[02:01] <dud> cant wait to see how an amd64 will fare when it comes to video rendering/encoding
[02:01] <HrdwrBoB> techn9ne: search for nrg convert iso in google
[02:01] <IcE-bOy> hi
[02:02] <IcE-bOy> one question, is this legal? http://cgi.ebay.es/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=8133&item=7126469686&rd=1&ssPageName=WD2V ... i have just find it in ebay
[02:02] <kotau> woah I just crashed and crashed hard.  gnome panel went all crazy and I had to ctrl alt backspace
[02:02] <dud> why would you buy something off ebay that you can get for free?
[02:03] <techn9ne> hmm so basically its a windows only thing
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> IcE-bOy: what is it (I'm not near a browser currently
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> IcE-bOy: and if they are selling ubuntu it's legal
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> it just makes the person who buys it a sucker
[02:03] <dud> seems to be an auction for ubuntu cds
[02:03] <dud> its polish or something tho
[02:03] <techn9ne> its $1
[02:03] <dud> or spanish rather prolly
[02:03] <techn9ne> $1 for cd's isnt a sucker
[02:04] <techn9ne> you get them now not in a month when ubuntu decides to ship
[02:04] <neighborlee> kotau, thats happeened to be like right after apt-get upgrade but went away..I forget what I was doing but filed report via dialogue that came up
[02:04] <IcE-bOy> HrdwrBoB, they are shelling ubuntu
[02:04] <IcE-bOy> but ... this person don't pay for ubuntu cds ..
[02:05] <techn9ne> maybe they bought them off a friend... who cares
[02:05] <dud> they buyers must be pretty stupid as HrdwrBoB said
[02:06] <techn9ne> its $1
[02:06] <techn9ne> not $10, not $100... $1
[02:06] <IcE-bOy> yes but .... i don't know if this is legal ...
[02:06] <techn9ne> the cost of blank media
[02:06] <IcE-bOy> i'm still waitting my ubuntu CDs, but i download it a long time ago
[02:06] <techn9ne> well if you pay $1 you can have them immediatley
[02:07] <IcE-bOy> i think i will receive hoary :D
[02:07] <dud> heck, i'd burn and send an ubuntu cd tomorrow if someone pays me heh
[02:07] <IcE-bOy> techn9ne, i have ubuntu cds :)
[02:07] <techn9ne> yah ive given a lot away
[02:07] <jocco> anyone know where I find the instructions on where to get the 686 kernel... I found it before it was something simeple like : Sudo apt-get install kernel-686
[02:07] <jocco> for warty
[02:07] <dud> linux-kernel-686
[02:07] <IcE-bOy> techn9ne, $1 for blank media? ...
[02:08] <jocco> Thanks :)
[02:08] <techn9ne> yeah 0.50 each cd in a case
[02:08] <dud> kernel-image-2.6-386 even
[02:08] <dud> jocco
[02:08] <IcE-bOy> i bougth a few days ago cds at 0,22
[02:08] <jocco> yea?
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> IcE-bOy: my time is worth more than $1/CD
[02:09] <dud> jocco, type sudo apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386
[02:09] <MFen> anyone have trouble with the latest kerberos security update?
[02:09] <dud> replace the 6 with a 4 if you want the 2.4.x kernel
[02:09] <MFen> for some reason krb5-user isn't on the server
[02:09] <MFen> even though the package is named in the security update here http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.security.announce/60/match=ubuntu+security
[02:09] <IcE-bOy> HrdwrBoB, but ... your computer doesn't need you all time for download ubuntu cds
[02:09] <jocco> I need 686 I have pentium4
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> IcE-bOy: it doesn't matter, I have better things to do :)
[02:10] <dud> sorry, not 386 of course jocco, just replace 386 with 686
[02:10] <IcE-bOy> HrdwrBoB, yes ...
[02:10] <jocco> Thanks dud i will give it a try :)
[02:11] <IcE-bOy> but how many time do you need for write wget .... && cdrecord ... ?  more than $1? D:
[02:11] <IcE-bOy> :D
[02:11] <techn9ne> Question... i run sudo update-grub and it says this : Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub .
[02:11] <techn9ne> /dev/hda2 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[02:11] <techn9ne> how can i fix this?
[02:11] <techn9ne> i moved my hard drive from slave to master and changed references from b to a
[02:12] <IcE-bOy> techn9ne, hda2 exists ?
[02:13] <techn9ne> yes
[02:13] <techn9ne> i can boot using grub fine
[02:13] <techn9ne> just update-grub causes a prob.
[02:14] <techn9ne> the only thing got changed was b -> a which i did manually
[02:17] <IcE-bOy> and, what about grub-install /dev/hda ?
[02:18] <techn9ne> /dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[02:18] <techn9ne> i only have one hd ... its registered as hda
[02:18] <techn9ne> and i can boot up and use the grub menu
[02:19] <jintonic> hidey-ho
[02:19] <techn9ne> is menu.lst the only config file for grub?
[02:19] <IcE-bOy> yes
[02:20] <peppe> hello!! Does anyone know why I cant play .mp3-files ??
[02:20] <Elink_Tron_Brad> would it be possible to dual boot Ubuntu with XP on same drive?
[02:20] <IcE-bOy> but this file is readed by grub once is installed
[02:20] <techn9ne> peppe: you gotta d/l the codec
[02:20] <IcE-bOy> Elink_Tron_Brad, of course
[02:20] <mroth> hmm apt-get upgrade just broke nvidia support in hoary :/
[02:20] <peppe> techn9ne, okay so where and what codec?
[02:20] <IcE-bOy> multiverse ?
[02:20] <techn9ne> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[02:21] <techn9ne> http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[02:21] <techn9ne> i think
[02:22] <Elink_Tron_Brad> well the last time i did something like that with Mandrake 8.2..it messed up my MBR, and screwed up XP
[02:22] <peppe> techn9ne, okay ill look it up thanx
[02:22] <IcE-bOy> techn9ne, try to do it with manual grub installation, without scripts
[02:23] <IcE-bOy> type grub
[02:23] <IcE-bOy> root (hd0,0)
[02:23] <Elink_Tron_Brad> is there a special driver to support my Nvidia FX 5500? or is it a basic driver?
[02:23] <IcE-bOy> setup (hd0)
[02:23] <IcE-bOy> and "quit"
[02:23] <techn9ne> says filesystem unknonw type
[02:24] <IcE-bOy> Elink_Tron_Brad, it shouldn't happend but, if you install ubuntu and you can't boot windows XP it doesn't meand that your windows XP is broken
[02:24] <IcE-bOy> only you need to change boot loader config (grub)
[02:24] <IcE-bOy> techn9ne, whereis /boot? in what partition
[02:24] <techn9ne> hda1
[02:24] <techn9ne> its ntfs
[02:25] <IcE-bOy> ok, this is the problem :)
[02:25] <IcE-bOy> and /boot where is ?
[02:25] <techn9ne> i dont know
[02:25] <IcE-bOy> ok, paste the output of "mount"
[02:25] <techn9ne> /dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[02:26] <techn9ne> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[02:26] <techn9ne> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[02:26] <techn9ne> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[02:26] <techn9ne> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[02:26] <techn9ne> /dev/hda1 on /mnt/windows type ntfs (rw,umask=0222)
[02:26] <techn9ne> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[02:26] <techn9ne> /dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type udf (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=jeremy)
[02:26] <IcE-bOy> ok, appears that you only have one linux partition, hda2, with all inside, i think your /boot will be there :)
[02:26] <Agrajag> IcE-bOy: not if /boot isn't mounted
[02:27] <IcE-bOy> try the same but change root(hd0,0) with root(hd0,1)
[02:27] <IcE-bOy> Agrajag, yes ...
[02:27] <IcE-bOy> techn9ne, paste the output of cat /etc/fstab | grep boot
[02:27] <Elink_Tron_Brad> what does i mean then?
[02:27] <IcE-bOy>  cat /etc/fstab | grep boot ?
[02:27] <techn9ne> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[02:27] <techn9ne> /dev/hda2       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[02:27] <techn9ne> /dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[02:27] <techn9ne> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[02:27] <techn9ne> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[02:27] <techn9ne> /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[02:28] <mroth> anyone running hoary with a nvidia card who did an apt update today?
[02:28] <techn9ne> its the partition layout
[02:28] <IcE-bOy> Agrajag, /boot doesn't appears to be in another partition
[02:28] <Agrajag> nope
[02:28] <IcE-bOy> techn9ne, try root(hd0,1)
[02:29] <techn9ne> said unrecognized command
[02:29] <techn9ne> im in grub
[02:29] <occy> stupid question alert:  Can anyone point me to a good place on where I can easily setup groups and such for users to edit files in a directory on a box without fighting for perms.
[02:30] <IcE-bOy> Elink_Tron_Brad, with cat /etc/fstab  you print the containt of fstab file to standar output, and with grep you select the lines that contains the word "boot"
[02:30] <techn9ne> k n/m i just typed root <space> hd(0,1) worked
[02:30] <IcE-bOy> techn9ne, yes, sorry, you need and space there :)
[02:30] <techn9ne> whats the second command?
[02:30] <IcE-bOy> setup...
[02:31] <IcE-bOy> setup (hd0)
[02:31] <techn9ne> k that seemed to work
[02:31] <IcE-bOy> and now quit
[02:31] <techn9ne> what did that do ?
[02:31] <IcE-bOy> your grub now is correctly installed :)
[02:32] <techn9ne> what was wrong w/ it before?
[02:32] <IcE-bOy> the same that grub-install script should done
[02:32] <techn9ne> is the boot partition still the ntfs one?
[02:32] <techn9ne> hda1?
[02:33] <IcE-bOy> your grub now is installed into MBR
[02:33] <IcE-bOy> setup (hd0) do this ..
[02:34] <IcE-bOy> and you are telling grub that yout boot directory (/boot) is into hda2, root (hd0,1)
[02:35] <techn9ne> ok thanks
[02:35] <techn9ne> ill find some stuff on google to read about it
[02:37] <IcE-bOy> mmmm there is a doc about this into gentoo handbook (i saw it there a looong time ago)
[02:39] <jocco> Hi everyone, I have 2 quick questions... I just installed XFce4 anyone here suggest a nice Minimalistic window manager that is nice? Also I was thinking about installing KDE "Just in case", will installing KDE slow down my system? TIA
[02:39] <techn9ne> kde def. isnt fast
[02:40] <techn9ne> xfce or icewm are the 2 nicest "fast" window managers
[02:40] <jdub> jocco: merely installing kde won't slow down anything
[02:40] <jdub> jocco: it will just use disk space
[02:40] <jocco> I inted on useing XFCE most of the time
[02:40] <jdub> jocco: until you run it, of course
[02:40] <ArCHoNKoG> upgraded from warty to hoary befor upgrade nvidia was working fine and when i restart that it
[02:40] <jocco> Thanks jdub :)
[02:40] <ArCHoNKoG> does anyone have the same problem ?
[02:41] <techn9ne> kde does a lot more
[02:41] <techn9ne> lot more flash and jazz
[02:41] <jocco> I like the idea of haveing the KDE applications to fall back on... I only really know KDE, Gnome is verry new to me...
[02:41] <techn9ne> bouncing shiny icons
[02:41] <jocco> yea, KDE is what brought me to linux :)
[02:41] <jocco> now I like GNOME and XFCE
[02:42] <jocco> I lke kb3
[02:42] <jocco> and konquor
[02:42] <techn9ne> i like kb3 not konqueror
[02:43] <techn9ne> i use 9.2 thorugh and i like it
[02:43] <jocco> well, i guess I will install KDE then :) along with IceWM, thanks for suggest ing IceWM <techn9ne> :)
[02:43] <techn9ne> very mac-osx-like
[02:43] <jocco> i almost forgot IceWM
[02:43] <techn9ne> icewm is more windows-like
[02:43] <techn9ne> very fast
[02:43] <jocco> yea I used it in Kanotix for a while
[02:44] <techn9ne> more choice is always good
[02:45] <jocco> yea, I am haveing lots of fun with Linux :)
[02:45] <IcE-bOy> i don't like kde ..
[02:46] <IcE-bOy> always crash when i use it !! kde doesn't like me :(
[02:46] <techn9ne> firefox doesnt run well in kde
[02:46] <techn9ne> thats waht drove me away
[02:46] <techn9ne> i filed a bug report about it crashing and they told me it was made for gtk and no one wanted to port it to qt
[02:46] <techn9ne> and no one seemed to care it didnt work well in kde
[02:47] <IcE-bOy> hehehe
[02:47] <IcE-bOy> with qt Mmmmmm i only use k3b
[02:47] <techn9ne> they use gtk-qt engine or something
[02:47] <techn9ne> so it doesnt look like a gtk app
[02:48] <techn9ne> yah gnome needs a descent cd burning prog.
[02:48] <techn9ne> i think most of the money is moving behind gnome
[02:49] <techn9ne> the only major linux distro to full on support kde is mandrake... im expecting novell to phases suse out
[02:51] <ArCHoNKoG> when will there be kernel-headers 2.6.10
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> ArCHoNKoG: if you can't wait, grab the whole source
[02:52] <ArCHoNKoG> from where
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> linux-source
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> kernel-source I think'
[02:53] <AfrOTRokHE> hi! i can't compile something in ubuntu, i have an error with flex
[02:53] <AfrOTRokHE> can somebody give me some sources for my source.list?
[02:54] <tritium> kernel.org if you want vanilla sources.
[02:55] <cored> hi guys
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> tritium: not really helpful in this case though
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> AfrOTRokHE: what is the problem exactly
[02:55] <tritium> linux-source-2.6.10 for ubuntu sources
[02:56] <AfrOTRokHE> ok, i'm trying to compile apache2 in ubuntu, but, that machine is a server and i didn't install it.
[02:57] <AfrOTRokHE> HrdwrBoB: sorry, compiling php 4 --> checking for flex... lex
[02:57] <AfrOTRokHE> checking for yywrap in -ll... no
[02:57] <AfrOTRokHE> checking lex output file root... ./configure: line 2425: lex: command not found
[02:57] <AfrOTRokHE> configure: error: cannot find output from lex; giving up
[02:57] <Quest-Master> You don't have to compile apache2.. it's in the repositories
[02:58] <AfrOTRokHE> Quest-Master: the problem is, i need to compile that. for aplication server with some options compile
[02:58] <Quest-Master> Oh
[02:58] <Quest-Master> :(
[02:59] <AfrOTRokHE> :X
[02:59] <AfrOTRokHE> x_( but i can't for that error
[02:59] <AfrOTRokHE> :(
[03:00] <Elink_Tron_Brad> if i found source code on my Mandrake 8.2 CD ....how can i compile it to work? (i have no clue how to compile linux software)
[03:00] <AfrOTRokHE>  mo problems..
[03:00] <AfrOTRokHE> :(
[03:00] <AfrOTRokHE> can somebody giveme source.list? in query
[03:00] <AfrOTRokHE> :)
[03:01] <AfrOTRokHE> pleeeeeaaaaaaassssssseeeeeeee!!! x_(
[03:01] <regeya> huh?
[03:02] <AfrOTRokHE> tritium: linux-source-2.6.10 <-- where is this?
[03:02] <Elink_Tron_Brad> if i found source code on my Mandrake 8.2 CD ....how can i compile it to work? (i have no clue how to compile linux software) please someone answer me (^o^)
[03:02] <tritium> AfrOTRokHE, in the package pool
[03:03] <AfrOTRokHE> 
[03:03] <mebaran> Hey
[03:03] <mebaran> anyone here know how to repair a partition table
[03:03] <mebaran> without destroying the partitions
[03:03] <AfrOTRokHE> Elink_Tron_Brad:  copy the source, unpack this, ./configure; make; make install
[03:03] <poningru> where are the network settings stored? (half duplex, autodetect etc)?
[03:03] <mebaran> cfdisk finds it find
[03:03] <tritium> pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/
[03:03] <mebaran> cfdisk finds the partitions all right
[03:04] <AfrOTRokHE> tritium: thnks
[03:04] <mebaran> as does parted
[03:04] <regeya> Elink_Tron_Brad, depends.
[03:04] <mebaran> but the kernel doesnt recognize it
[03:04] <tritium> AfrOTRokHE, sure.  You may not want a .deb package, though.
[03:04] <Elink_Tron_Brad> its all source code
[03:05] <Elink_Tron_Brad> pure sorce code
[03:05] <AfrOTRokHE> tritium: i'll try with that first, thnks
[03:05] <tritium> I don't think he has sudo permissions
[03:06] <JayParadise> ubuntu is only one installation cd?
[03:06] <tritium> AfrOTRokHE, okay
[03:07] <AfrOTRokHE> :)
[03:07] <tritium> AfrOTRokHE, the ftp servers also have the .tar.gz files and .diff.gz if you can work with those more easily.
[03:07] <ZzeCoOl> guys if i use "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales"  then which is the key that i must use to "tick" boxes?
[03:08] <ZzeCoOl> anyone?
[03:08] <mebaran> do any of you know if cfdisk is going to hose all the partitions if I tell it to rewrite the table
[03:08] <mebaran> ?
[03:08] <mebaran> oh
[03:08] <mebaran> ZZeCool
[03:08] <mebaran> the locales problem   happened to me too
[03:08] <tritium> ZzeCoOl, space bar
[03:08] <ZzeCoOl> mebaran: ?
[03:09] <mebaran> yeah
[03:09] <mebaran> space bar
[03:09] <ZzeCoOl> tritium: thak you :)
[03:09] <tritium> sure
[03:09] <ZzeCoOl> thank u again
[03:09] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[03:09] <tritium> :)
[03:10] <jamin_l> dammit had 2 instances of XChat open
[03:11] <jamin_l> Anyone know why running this (sudo cpan install XML::Parser) in Terminal would give me this result: Running make install make had returned bad status, install seems impossible
[03:12] <ZzeCoOl> tritium: and how can i change font profiles in the X?
[03:12] <ZzeCoOl> in windows it is Alt + Shift
[03:13] <tritium> ZzeCoOl, font profiles?  I'm not sure I know what you mean.
[03:14] <ZzeCoOl> the alt shift funckion in windows
[03:14] <ZzeCoOl> function*
[03:14] <tritium> ZzeCoOl, if you're using Warty, look under Computer->Preferences->Font
[03:14] <ZzeCoOl> ok
[03:14] <ZzeCoOl> thanx
[03:14] <tritium> sorry, I haven't used Windows in years, so I don't recall what you're talking about
[03:15] <ZzeCoOl> hehehehe
[03:15] <ZzeCoOl> nice
[03:15] <gen>  it be..
[03:16] <ZzeCoOl> im speaking about keyboard switching layout
[03:16] <jamin_l> anyone here familiar with Perl & CPAN?
[03:17] <ZzeCoOl> this is what ALt Shift do in windows
[03:18] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: right click on your panel, choose "add to panel"
[03:18] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: add the keyboard indicator
[03:18] <ZzeCoOl> wow
[03:18] <ZzeCoOl> thanks
[03:18] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[03:18] <ZzeCoOl> hmm
[03:19] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: in the keyboard prefernces dialogue, go to the layout options tab
[03:19] <ZzeCoOl> ok
[03:19] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: under "group shift/lock behavior", choose alt+shift changes group
[03:19] <ZzeCoOl> i made it
[03:19] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: then it should work like windows
[03:19] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[03:19] <jocco> I just reinstalled warty, and let it download updates from the internet the first boot... should I still apt-get dist-upgrade?
[03:20] <ZzeCoOl> one more .... is there any package with the default windows fonts?
[03:20] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: msttcorefonts (in multiverse)
[03:20] <ZzeCoOl> there are some windows fonts that i like too much
[03:20] <dud> cant you just copy over the font directory in windows? arent they truetype fonts?
[03:20] <ZzeCoOl> jdub: u are tha Man
[03:20] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[03:21] <jdub> dud: yes, you can do that too, but with the package, it'll keep you upd to date :)
[03:21] <dud> good one :)
[03:21] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[03:22] <ZzeCoOl> i hope it support greek too
[03:22] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[03:22] <jdub> fonts in the default install should already support greek
[03:23] <cored> does ubuntu have gdesklets on its repository?
[03:23] <ZzeCoOl> yes but it is the very ugly ...fonts
[03:23] <ZzeCoOl> cored:
[03:23] <ZzeCoOl> yes
[03:23] <jdub> cored: in universe, yes (at least for hoary)
[03:23] <ZzeCoOl> but i think one old version
[03:24] <ZzeCoOl> cored: listen install the version that ubuntu offer and after that upgrade with the latest
[03:24] <Elink_Tron_Brad> how can i get better backgrounds for ubuntu....i hate that chocolate one
[03:24] <cored> ZzeCoOl: apt-cache search gdesklests dosen't show anything in here
[03:24] <ZzeCoOl> hmmm
[03:25] <ZzeCoOl> just a sec
[03:25] <ZzeCoOl> cored u have a repository problem
[03:25] <ZzeCoOl> i have gdesklets
[03:26] <ZzeCoOl> icant explain u know what do to to have better repository access i must go...but many in here can help u about this
[03:26] <ZzeCoOl> sorry
[03:26] <ZzeCoOl> have to go
[03:26] <ZzeCoOl> c ya
[03:27] <Elink_Tron_Brad> how can i get better backgrounds for ubuntu....i hate that chocolate one
[03:27] <AndyFitz> forgot to mention earlier.  I uploaded my modified January calendar wallpaper to http://brisgeek.com/etiquette/downloads.html
[03:27] <Elink_Tron_Brad> anyone here have an earthlink account? for internet access?
[03:28] <cored> Elink_Tron_Brad: :s
[03:28] <tritium> AndyFitz, my wife won't let me have those naked ladies on my wallpaper
[03:28] <Elink_Tron_Brad> if anyone wants a credit for a month let me know
[03:28] <Elink_Tron_Brad> i can provide
[03:28] <AndyFitz> tritium,  january is a half naked guy
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> tritium: my fiance insisted on them for her computer
[03:29] <tritium> I'll stick with chocolate
[03:30] <St0n3-C0l> does Ubuntu get its updates from debian.org ?
[03:30] <Elink_Tron_Brad> i hate that background!! it annoys me!
[03:30] <Elink_Tron_Brad> chocolate is soo annoying
[03:30] <poningru> guys where do I check my network configs in linux
[03:30] <poningru> ?
[03:30] <poningru> err ubuntu
[03:30] <tritium> Elink_Tron_Brad, worst case, you can just use a solid color
[03:31] <Elink_Tron_Brad> ah make a jpg of solid color
[03:31] <Elink_Tron_Brad> and attach it
[03:31] <AndyFitz> http://brisgeek.com/etiquette/img/w_stripes.png - contains no people
[03:31] <tritium> Elink_Tron_Brad, try propaganda-debian
[03:32] <poningru> anyone?
[03:32] <tritium> poningru, /etc/network
[03:32] <tritium> look first at /etc/network/interfaces
[03:32] <Elink_Tron_Brad> poningru most people here don't  use the GUI...they use the terminal....
[03:33] <tritium> HrdwrBoB, no way...really?
[03:33] <HrdwrBoB> haha yes
[03:33] <St0n3-C0l> does Ubuntu get its updates from debian.org ? apt-get ??
[03:33] <Elink_Tron_Brad> what kind of backgrounds are they?
[03:33] <HrdwrBoB> I beleive the exact quote was 'I want the naked people!'
[03:34] <tritium> lol
[03:34] <JayParadise> hey i need only put warty-release-install-1386.iso on the cd+r?
[03:34] <tritium> Elink_Tron_Brad, patterns
[03:34] <HrdwrBoB> JayParadise: right click the iso, click write to disc
[03:34] <Elink_Tron_Brad> anyone have Earthlink?
[03:34] <HrdwrBoB> (if you're using ubuntu)
[03:35] <JayParadise> im using windows, i just downloaded it
[03:35] <JayParadise> the ubutno installer
[03:36] <tritium> I actually really like the debblue theme
[03:36] <JayParadise> oh well ill try it, i guess all i need is the iso file, im just not familliar wiht burning isos
[03:36] <Elink_Tron_Brad> get Nero 6 or Alcohol 120%
[03:36] <Elink_Tron_Brad> i have a ftp site with it
[03:36] <Elink_Tron_Brad> Nero 6 Ultimate
[03:37] <JayParadise> yea i have nero
[03:37] <tritium> what is it?
[03:37] <JayParadise> burning isos confuse me though, im pretty sure i just need to drag the one iso file
[03:37] <carthik> Hi, if I wanted to erase all data on my windows partition and grow /home to include the space, what program could I use?
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> JayParadise: you need to 'burn image'
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> or similar
[03:38] <JayParadise> i just downloadeded it, i hit open instead of save on acident, and it through me off owith trying to extract it
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> a CD with the iso file on it will not work
[03:38] <carthik> hi HrdwrBoB :)
[03:38] <JayParadise> yea , just the one big iso file right?
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> carthik: parted
[03:38] <JayParadise> instead of extracting it and dragging all those folders and what not inside
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> carthik: however if you're currently using it you'll have to use a liveCD or similar and then use it
[03:38] <JayParadise> i have cd rws ill fiure it out
[03:40] <carthik> HrdwrBoB, thanks, I'll remember to use it the next time I bootup (with a livecd)
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> cool
[03:41] <tritium> the LiveCD was a life saver when my hard drive failed
[03:41] <JayParadise> damnit
[03:42] <JayParadise> failed
[03:42] <JayParadise> at leadin leadout
[03:42] <tritium> I got all my data copied off the drive before the last whizz/churn that killed it off
[03:42] <tritium> couldn't boot from it, but could mount it and copy data for a few minutes at a time
[03:44] <carthik> HrdwrBoB, right now /home is not on a seperate partition, will parted help me move what's in /home now to the new partition ( there is only / as a seperate partition)
[03:45] <carthik> sorry if that sounds dumb
[03:46] <TheMuso> carthik: All you need to do is create the partition, format it with the filesystem of your choice, mount it somewhere else temporarily, copy the data across from your /home directory on the / partition, unmount the new partition, and set up fstab to allow /home to be mounted as the new partition. Hope that makes sense.
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> carthik: you should be able to work out a way
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> depending on how your filesystems are configured
[03:46] <tritium> carthik, you could try a liveCD like knoppix of systemrescuecd, which has Qtparted.  Although, it didn't work for me
[03:46] <tritium> s/or/of
[03:49] <carthik> TheMuso, HrdwrBoB, okay, so the plan is to create a new partition called "/hometobe". Then cp -r /home/ /hometobe. Then unmount /hometobe, delete /home, edit fstab to mount /hometobe, rename /hometobe to /home . Sounds okay?
[03:49] <carthik> tritium, thanks.
[03:50] <HrdwrBoB> use cp -a
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> but yes :)
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> carthik: alternatively, if your home partition is the second partition
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> and windows is the third (which I don' think it is)
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> you can extend the home partition
[03:51] <tritium> carthik, sure
[03:51] <JayParadise> got it
[03:52] <carthik> HrdwrBoB, the windows partition will make way for the to-be /home partition
[03:52] <JayParadise> you have to select turn off disk at once or youl get an error at read in read out
[03:52] <carthik> It's been one month since I booted into windows - and that's the condition I set myself to remove windows from the laptop :)
[03:52] <HrdwrBoB> heh, yeah we don't have windows at home
[03:53] <carthik> :)
[03:53] <chesty> I'm running hoary on my compaq evo n620c laptop, kernel 2.6.10-3, I gave suspend another try, this time it went quite well. but my network card doesn't recover after a resume. It's a Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5705M Gigabit Ethernet (rev 01), any ideas?
[03:56] <jocco> anyone know where I check the refresh rate on my monitor? I have Nvidia GFX card :) TIA )
[03:57] <jocco> I did nvidia-settings yet no refesh rate
[03:57] <jocco> I am getting ghost of mouse cursor, I am thinking the rate is set too high
[03:57] <jocco> very light ghost
[03:58] <HrdwrBoB> jocco: system-> settings-> Display resolution
[03:58] <jocco> Thanks Bob ":)
[03:58] <mindphasr> jocco: Do a search on google for your monitor model.
[03:59] <jocco> OMG it is way topo high
[03:59] <jocco> set at 75, should be 60
[03:59] <jocco> You rock BOB thanks
[03:59] <Necrosan> HrdwrBoB: around?
 is in the house and is a SAINT in my book
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> yo
[04:00] <Necrosan> Okay, question.. How do I make that thinkpad work with ALSA properly?
[04:00] <Necrosan> The sound is good, but its not working throughout the system w/ alsa..
[04:00] <Necrosan> (alsa still bitches on boot)
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> so, it's working
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> but alsa says no sound on boot
[04:01] <Necrosan> Yeah, ALSA isnt configured properly for the card.
[04:01] <Necrosan> Is there an alsa-config program?
[04:01] <Necrosan> or somethng?
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> tbh i'm not sure
[04:09] <racter> hi, i'm having trouble booting ubuntu and i wonder if i could get some help
[04:10] <pdkl> whats the issue racter ?
[04:10] <racter> i get an error from modprobe about loading floppy.ko - i don't have a floppy drive
[04:11] <racter> it's like "FATAL: Error inserting floppy <floppy.ko path>: No such device"
[04:11] <pdkl> you see anything resembling floppy in your /etc/modules?
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> racter: put floppy in /etc/hotplug.d/blacklist
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> and it won't load
[04:12] <racter> ide-disk?
[04:13] <racter> oh, ok, i haven't tried that!
[04:13] <pdkl> ah, thx for the info HrdwrBoB ;-)
[04:13] <racter> so i just make a file called 'blacklist' in hotplug.d and type "floppy" into it?
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[04:13] <racter> super
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> that blacklists the module from the hotplug system
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> so that it won't load
[04:14] <racter> i'm trying it right now.
[04:15] <dcoop> anyone know if the nforce2 chipset is problematic
[04:15] <racter> i still get "error inserting floppy" etc. at boot; is there something else i need to do?
[04:16] <racter> should i have typed "floppy.ko"?
[04:16] <jdub> racter: that shouldn't be an error that stops you from running the system
[04:16] <racter> maybe i'm misattributing it, but after that line appears, my system hangs completely; i can't even turn my caps-lock light off and on or use ctrl-alt-del
[04:17] <jdub> yeah, probably not that
[04:17] <jdub> try booting in recovery mode, see what happens
[04:17] <racter> it hangs at the same spot in recovery mode
[04:17] <jdub> bummer
[04:17] <jdub> tried the live cd?
[04:17] <racter> no, maybe i'll try that
[04:18] <thully> Hi - did the Hoary upstream version freeze occur as expected today?
[04:19] <gen> what?
[04:19] <jdub> thully: UVF happened last week
[04:20] <thully> I thought it was this week - I could have sworn it was Jan 10th
[04:21] <jdub> thully: no, it was delayed until last wednesday
[04:21] <jdub> remaining merges must be complete by this wednesday
[04:21] <thully> oh - I see
[04:22] <thully> Will Thunderbird 1.0 be given an exception when it enters debian
[04:22] <thully> so that it can be in hoary
[04:23] <jdub> potentially
[04:25] <thully> It would be a shame if Hoary was released in April with 0.9
[04:25] <thully> since 1.0 came out, what, a month ago?
[04:25] <Elink_Tron_Brad> so how would i install Ubuntu with win Xp install already on my machine? i've only got 1 hd
[04:27] <jdub> Elink_Tron_Brad: you have to resize your xp partition, then you can install ubuntu
[04:27] <Necrosan> Anyone know of an open source spider solitaire?
[04:32] <zeratha> Need help with sound! I am getting Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found. I've tried the gst-register-0.8, but it didn't do it. I get errors in XMMS and totem as well.
[04:33] <nevyn> zeratha: what sort of soundcard do you have?
[04:34] <Elink_Tron_Brad> will a Sound Blaster Audigy LE work good with Ubuntu?
[04:34] <zeratha> emu10k..... Audigy...... Worked fine before updating the system. I rolled back the kernel but that didn't help.
[04:35] <nevyn> did you check that the module was loaded?
[04:35] <pengo> argh
[04:36] <zeratha> I've got all the emu10k, soundcore, and oss modules listing, but no alsa mods. I can't find them in lib/modules either.
[04:37] <pengo> ls
[04:38] <pengo> what's the shortcut to switch between terminals? (when not in X)
[04:38] <Wulf_> alt-F5
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> zeratha: you shouldn't have the 'emu10k' modules loaded
[04:38] <pengo> Wulf_: thanks
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu uses alsa, that's an OSS module
[04:39] <Wulf_> pengo: for console 13..24 AltGr-F7 (console 19)
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> alsa modules are prefixed with snd-
[04:40] <pengo> how do i reconfigure grub? where's the settings? (windows partition isn't booting after installing 4.10)
[04:40] <kleedrac> What is the easiest utility for finding and connecting to wireless networks?
[04:41] <pengo> Wulf_: what's Gr on a US-keyboard?
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> pengo: the configuration file is /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:42] <Wulf_> pengo: maybe `Meta'?
[04:42] <Wulf_> pengo: I don't know US PC keyboards, sorry
[04:43] <Elink_Tron_Brad> Alt maybe
[04:43] <Elink_Tron_Brad> by itself
[04:43] <tjs> gday, Im running hoary on my notebook, just updated and now I cant install python-* packages, ie python-pyparsing, python-nevow.. I get Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu4 is to be installed
[04:43] <pengo> Wulf_: can't find it.. no matter
[04:44] <gen> k lined hah
[04:46] <zeratha> ok, so the cards drivers should not be loaded. interesting. I'm a redhat user, so this debian based stuff is new. If the alsa mods are not in the /lib directory, shouldn't they be?
[04:47] <pengo> any suggestions why i can't boot windows partion? the grub entry is the same as the example in the config file.. e.g. root (hd0,0) makeactive etc
[04:48] <tritium> pengo, if your /boot/grub/menu.lst looks good, maybe you need to enable LBA in your BIOS settings
[04:48] <pengo> i'm pretty sure LBA is enabled in bios
[04:49] <tritium> pengo, you did "sudo update-grub" after making changes to the file?
[04:49] <zeratha> I have snd and snd_hwdep in lsmod
[04:50] <pengo> tritium: haven't actually amde any changes (cause it looks fine already?)
[04:50] <pengo> but i'll do that anyway
[04:50] <tritium> pengo, so those settings were made by the installer?
[04:50] <pengo> tritium: yu[
[04:50] <pengo> yes
[04:51] <tritium> double check your BIOS settings, then.
[04:51] <pengo> ok
[04:51] <pengo> back soon
[04:51] <tritium> ok
[04:51] <bj_> I have 2 SATA HDs, that won't mount when /etc/init.d/mountall.sh runs because it says that /dev/sda1 and sdb2 don't exist.
[04:52] <bj_> does hotplug or something have to run first?
[04:52] <bj_> because I can mount them once it's booted up
[04:53] <ramza500> You've edited the stab?
[04:53] <tritium> bj_, I have similar problems with hdparm settings on /dev/hdb (CD-ROM)
[04:53] <ramza500> fstab*
[04:53] <tritium> they can't be applied since /dev/hdb doesn't exists when /etc/init.d/hdparm is run
[04:53] <bj_> mount -a, will mount them once the system has come up, maybe there's a kernel module not loaded at that time?
[04:54] <bj_> I might trying mounting them in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh ?
[04:57] <kleedrac> What is the easiest utility for finding and connecting to wireless networks?
[04:57] <neighborlee> what library might  be missing that my s canner whichused to work before I reinstalled ubuntu, no longer works?..I have hpoj ( hp officejet5500 allinone sheefed) installed which supports this device ...
[04:57] <sivang> zeratha: did you try modprobe snd-pcm-oss ?
[04:57] <sivang> zeratha: also, what is your card make/model etc?
[04:58] <zeratha> it is installed and dependant on snd_emu10k1 and snd_pcm_oss
[04:58] <zeratha> Audigy 2
[04:58] <zeratha> all snd_ modules seem to be loaded. I'm stumped....
[04:59] <zeratha> at one point I ran esd and got the little sound effect it plays as well.... :-(
[05:00] <sivang> zeratha: ok, are you on a laptop ?
[05:00] <zeratha> No, it's a desktop
[05:00] <zeratha> tested esd again and it made the noise.
[05:01] <sivang> zeratha: ok, maybe you need to choose esd as your multimedia system, there a menu entry for this (given you hear sound from esd test)
[05:01] <pdkl> anyone know a quick way to mount a .bin / .cue  ?
[05:01] <Wulf_> binchunk
[05:01] <Wulf_> mount
[05:01] <sivang> anyway, I have to go...c'ya
[05:05] <MacDaddy> Why will my default install of ubuntu make it past the brown screen after loging in?
[05:06] <MacDaddy> Why will it not, that is?
[05:12] <pengo> yup. lba was the prob. thanks :)
[05:13] <Guardiann> good evening
[05:13] <pengo> now i'm back in ubuntu and X won't start (it works on the live CD, but no installed).. i tried installing the NVIDIA binary package, but it wants me to have a source tree available.. am i going to have to download the kernel source?
[05:14] <pengo> (i want dual monitors working too)
[05:15] <Guardiann> you installing warty or hoary
[05:15] <pengo> warty
[05:16] <tritium> pengo, glad to hear that! :0
[05:16] <tritium> :)
[05:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there a way to tell atp-get to upgrade all installed apps?
[05:17] <jintonic> how can i get gaim to start with gnome?
[05:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> jintonic..run gaim.
[05:17] <Wulf_> apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> thx
[05:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> jintonic you might try something like running "gaim &" from a terminal window.
[05:17] <tritium> jintonic, make sure gaim is running when you log out, and click on the "Save Session" option
[05:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> you mean to start when gnome starts?
[05:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> or you can just save your session.
[05:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> without even logging out.
[05:18] <tritium> pengo, did you install nvidia-glx
[05:18] <pengo> yeah thanks tritium :)
[05:18] <tritium> ?
[05:18] <jintonic> ok
[05:18] <pengo> tritium: no. should i?
[05:18] <tritium> yes
[05:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there any way to change my system to USA English instead of British English?
[05:19] <pengo> i only downloaded some binary thing from nvidia web site.. thanks will do
[05:19] <ramza500> Eep
[05:19] <stuNNed> damn udev isn't creating /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd
[05:19] <ramza500> There is a great walkthrough on the forums.  I used it to do my ATI drivers and worked like a CHARM
[05:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> stuNNed: do you use an SIP phone?
[05:19] <tritium> pengo, I'd recommend the ubuntu packages.  see this:  http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[05:19] <pengo> tritium: excellent thanks
[05:19] <stuNNed> BROKEN_LADDER, ?
[05:19] <tritium> no problem
[05:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> nevermind.
[05:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> your nick just..nm.
[05:20] <pengo> i wish i knew how to copy and paste from this irc client
[05:20] <pengo> (Irssi)
[05:20] <stuNNed> pengo, just highlight then click with middle mouse?
[05:20] <pengo> no mouse cursor
[05:20] <pengo> i'm not in X
[05:20] <stuNNed> use gpm
[05:21] <stuNNed> mouse in console
[05:21] <stuNNed> functionality
[05:21] <HostingGeek> gnome 2.9.4 is out
[05:21] <Guardiann> where
[05:22] <pengo> stuNNed: i'd tell you what apt-get told me when i tried to install gpm but i can't copy and paste it :)
[05:22] <HostingGeek> Guardiann: what do you mean
[05:22] <regeya> oop.
[05:22] <tritium> pengo, good luck.  I'm going to bed...
[05:23] <pengo> tritium: thanks heaps for your help
[05:23] <pengo> tritium: should have it licked now
[05:23] <ramza500> pengo, so you're not in X?
[05:23] <tritium> pengo, you're welcome.  Good night.
[05:23] <Keybuk> BROKEN_LADDER: theoretically you'd change your locale to en_US
[05:23] <Keybuk> however there's no real effort for en_GB <-> en_US translation
[05:23] <pengo> ramza500: nope.. trying to get nvidia drivers set up.. but seem to on the right path now
[05:23] <Keybuk> GNOME would probably mostly change though
[05:23] <stuNNed> pengo, installs here, is your dpkg db broken?
[05:24] <ramza500> pengo, did you backup your X11config?  If you did you could just rename it and that might help.
[05:24] <stuNNed> pengo, or the like
[05:25] <pengo> it could just be my X11config
[05:25] <cam> does anyone know that hoary synaptic doesnt ask for a root password when loading up?
[05:25] <pengo> stuNNed: dpkg db? umm.. apt-get works ok
[05:25] <HostingGeek> kernel 2.6.10-4ubuntu IS BROKEN!!!! when not the source one
[05:26] <stuNNed> pengo, what does 'apt-get install gpm' say?
[05:26] <stuNNed> pengo, in summary :)
[05:26] <kleedrac> Silly question ... how do I find out what driver I'm using on eth1?
[05:27] <Keybuk> kleedrac: readlink /sys/class/net/eth1/driver
[05:27] <pengo> stuNNed: the package is missing.. other packages refer to it but it's not there
[05:27] <stuNNed> pengo, is this hoary or warty?  what's your repo's look like, i can paste mine in #flood if you like
[05:28] <pengo> stuNNed: warty. all other apt-get's i've tried have worked ok
[05:28] <pengo> stuNNed: don't worry.. not that important
[05:29] <stuNNed> pengo, ah, ok then :)
[05:29] <kleedrac> thanks Keybuk but that file doesn't exist
[05:29] <Keybuk> kleedrac: do you have an eth1?
[05:29] <kleedrac> yup ... /sys/class/net/eth1 exists but there is no file called driver there
[05:29] <Keybuk> kleedrac: what's in that directory?
[05:30] <kleedrac> kleedrac@reborn:/sys/class/net/eth1 $ ls
[05:30] <kleedrac> address   broadcast  features  ifindex  mtu         tx_queue_len  wireless
[05:30] <kleedrac> addr_len  carrier    flags     iflink   statistics  type
[05:30] <Keybuk> how odd, what kernel?
[05:31] <kleedrac> not sure ... how do I find out?
[05:31] <Keybuk> kleedrac: uname -r
[05:31] <cam> wtf
[05:31] <cam> on bugzilla
[05:31] <cam> Component Needed
[05:31] <cam> 
[05:31] <cam> You must choose a component to file this bug in. If necessary, just guess.
[05:31] <kleedrac> kleedrac@reborn:/sys/class/net/eth1 $ uname -r
[05:31] <kleedrac> 2.6.10-1-386
[05:31] <Keybuk> kleedrac: also look in /sys/bus/pci/drivers
[05:32] <kleedrac> kleedrac@reborn:/sys/bus/pci/drivers $ ls
[05:32] <kleedrac> 3c59x            parport_pc   PIIX_IDE             uhci_hcd
[05:32] <kleedrac> agpgart-intel    pci_eisa     serial               yenta_cardbus
[05:32] <kleedrac> CS461x_gameport  piix4_smbus  Sound Fusion CS46xx
[05:32] <Keybuk> it's not a pcmcia card, is it?
[05:32] <kleedrac> nope
[05:33] <kleedrac> IBM thinkpad A22M
[05:33] <Keybuk> the only network card you have there is a 3c59x, and I'd guess that's eth0
[05:33] <stuNNed> is there a way for udev to generate /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd, they aren't being generated on boot.
[05:33] <kleedrac> Aha ... it's under pcmcia after all!  It's onboard so I thought it wouldn't be
[05:34] <kleedrac> kleedrac@reborn:/sys/bus/pcmcia/drivers $ ls
[05:34] <kleedrac> orinoco_cs
[05:34] <Keybuk> stuNNed: if you run udevstart after the system is booted, do they appear?
[05:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> Keybuk: my locale is and always has been en_US.UTF-8
[05:35] <carthik> What does it take to replace one wireless network card with another? What do I have to run/change ?
[05:35] <pengo> ararrhjgh
[05:36] <kleedrac> keybuk: what do you make of this http://www.pastebin.com/227519
[05:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> no no Keybuk, my locale is en_US.UTF-8, but you are right; my languge is GB.  How can i change that?
[05:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> where does my LANGUAGE environment variable get set?
[05:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> doh!  found it.
[05:39] <Keybuk> BROKEN_LADDER: a large part of it is probably that en_US translations don't exist
[05:39] <Keybuk> software gets written in whatever language the developer understands
[05:39] <Keybuk> (so, e.g. dpkg speaks entirely british english)
[05:40] <Keybuk> the GB folk got a bit annoyed at a dozen mis-spellings of colour and tend to make sure there's en_GB translations where appropriate -- I don't think anyone in Merkia has ever done the opposite
[05:41] <nevyn> en should be en_GB not en_US
[05:41] <Keybuk> nevyn: *shrug* I tend to agree
[05:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> Keybuk: what are you talking about?!
[05:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> en_US is what most linux distros use!
[05:42] <Keybuk> but en != C
[05:42] <nevyn> BROKEN_LADDER: yep. and it's wrong.
[05:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> what are you talking about?
[05:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> The US has far more power and influence in this world than GB.
[05:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> We set the standards.
[05:42] <nevyn> what's the name of the language?
[05:42] <punkass_> this may seem like a silly question but i need to format a floppy disk
[05:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> Germanic
[05:43] <punkass_> i tried using the gui tool and it said it completed fine
[05:43] <Keybuk> BROKEN_LADDER: except most of the world learn GBish english, rather than US
[05:43] <Agrajag> mkfs.vfat /dev/fd0
[05:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> but it's ridiculous.
[05:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> You don't need to put stupid useless r's and extra p's in things.
[05:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> It's just stupid.
[05:43] <punkass_> but when i goto "Computer" and double click floppy it says unknown filetype 'msdos'
[05:43] <Keybuk> kleedrac: don't know kismet that well, sorry
[05:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> Go type on your compouter.
[05:44] <punkass_> Agrajag: i tried that to
[05:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> make louve, not war.
[05:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm clearly abouve you.
[05:44] <punkass_> then i try mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /floppy and get the same error
[05:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> see how stupid that looks?
[05:44] <Agrajag> none of those are corrent in any version of english
[05:44] <punkass_> mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'
[05:44] <Agrajag> You fail.
[05:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[05:44] <Agrajag> punkass_: ok, that's just weird
[05:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> exactly my point.
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> not correct.
[05:45] <punkass_> yeah thats what i thought
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> randomly throwing in u's makes no sense.
[05:45] <Keybuk> BROKEN_LADDER: this is a very silly argument.  Please stop it.
[05:45] <Agrajag> BROKEN_LADDER: ok...
[05:45] <Agrajag> what?
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> english is already ridiculous and terrible enough as it is.  it doesn't need silly brits mucking it up more.
[05:45] <stuNNed> Keybuk, thanks but sure don't
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> we should all be speaking esperanto.
[05:45] <Agrajag> americans took out the 'u's, the british didn't add them
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> cause we were smarter.
[05:46] <dud> the stupidity of americans never stops to amaze me
[05:46] <Keybuk> stuNNed: did that work?
[05:46] <Agrajag> BROKEN_LADDER: There's a reason the rest of the world seems to hate us.
[05:46] <dud> its actually quite a fascinating phenomena
[05:46] <Agrajag> Don't make it worse.
[05:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> you guys add the letter r when you say straw.  you say "strawrr".  yet you take away the r when you say "car".  You say "cahh"
[05:46] <punkass_> even if i format it as ext2 using mkfs.ext2 i still get an error
[05:46] <punkass_> mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext2'
[05:46] <Agrajag> BROKEN_LADDER: so do people in Boston!
[05:46] <stuNNed> Keybuk, didn't work :(
[05:46] <punkass_>  sudo mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 floppy/   is what i tried
[05:46] <stuNNed> Keybuk, /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd aren't there
[05:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> he world hates the us because we have idiots like george bush in office trying to be the world police, and because we have insane creationists and evangelical christian idiots.
[05:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> but at least we aren't british.
[05:47] <Keybuk> stuNNed: that probably means your computer doesn't think it has either then
[05:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> Agrajag: people in boston talk stupidly.
[05:47] <Keybuk> stuNNed: if you look through dmesg, does your kernel detect them?
[05:47] <stuNNed> Keybuk, there is error in dmesg:
[05:47] <Agrajag> BROKEN_LADDER: tell you what.
[05:47] <nicedreams> is there a fix or a work around so the nvidia drivers don't keep hard crashing my system.  I can't even listen to music without it crashing and if I even try something that is opengl, it hard crashes.  hell, it even crashed trying to get into xchat last time
[05:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> in the middle and western US, there is no accent.  just clean smooth words.
[05:47] <stuNNed> Keybuk, let me reboot one sec
[05:47] <Agrajag> Go learn Lojban, and speak that the rest of your life.
[05:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> lojban is kinda dumb.
[05:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> not very practical.
[05:47] <Agrajag> There's one way to say everything, and one way to pronounce everything.
[05:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> esperanto is good.
[05:48] <Agrajag> aahahahahahahhahaha
[05:48] <Agrajag> no accent in the midwest
[05:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> esperanto estas plej bona la mi.
[05:48] <Agrajag> ahahahhahahahahahahaha
[05:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> there isn't.
[05:48] <dud> or, you could fucking go to #trolling or #llamatrons to speak about how much you think usa rocks and GB suxz0rz
[05:48] <Agrajag> ahahhahahhahahahahhaa
[05:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> we pronounce words the way people in the news do.
[05:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm from the midwest you dolt.
[05:48] <Agrajag> so am I.
[05:48] <Agrajag> You dolt.
[05:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> and i live in california now.
[05:48] <dud> because this is a channel about ubuntu GNU/linux, and its not the place to start flamewars
[05:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> no accent.
[05:48] <Agrajag> So do I.
[05:48] <Agrajag> You dolt.
[05:48] <dud> so please, do stfu
[05:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> and so where's this accent you made up?
[05:49] <Agrajag> whatever man\
[05:49] <Agrajag> If you can't hear it, it's because you live in it.
[05:50] <Keybuk> guys, please calm down.  We all speak different languages, so we translate software into them.
[05:50] <Guardiann> hmmm
[05:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's the command to make gpg generate a nice big certificate for me to use for people to encrypt messages to me?
[05:51] <nicedreams> is there a work around to get nvidia drivers to stop crashing my machine?
[05:51] <Wulf_> gpg --gen-ke
[05:51] <Wulf_> gpg --gen-key
[05:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks bud
[05:51] <Wulf_> you'll be asked for a keysize
[05:52] <nevyn> nicedreams: buy a supported videocard?
[05:52] <Wulf_> nevyn: there's only nvidia and ati. for ati there's currently no driver available at all
[05:52] <Agrajag> what?
[05:53] <Agrajag> There are two drivers for nvidia, and unless I miss my guess two for ATi.
[05:53] <Agrajag> There are also other GPUs out there
[05:53] <nevyn> Wulf_: umm r250's are the fastest supported card that I'm aware of
[05:53] <Agrajag> Matrox comes to mind.
[05:53] <HrdwrBoB> matrox rock
[05:53] <nicedreams> nevyn, that's pretty stupid
[05:53] <Wulf_> matrox is fine for 2d-only use
[05:53] <punkass_> how is dual monitor support in linux with matrox cards?
[05:53] <nicedreams> nevyn, i have a gforce5900se
[05:54] <HrdwrBoB> punkass_: excellent
[05:54] <punkass_> good stuff
[05:54] <HrdwrBoB> Wulf_: it's also good for 3d .. but not current generation
[05:54] <Wulf_> when you're going to play 3d games, you'll have to stick to ati || nvidia
[05:54] <thully> hi - what is everybodys opinion on warty vs. hoary here?  how's hoary's stability lately, and about how much daily churn in hoary is there?
[05:54] <nevyn> Agrajag: I didn't think the parhellia or whatever it was was supported.
[05:55] <Agrajag> nevyn: I don't know if it is, but I'm sure it works in vesa mode or something if there are no drivers
[05:55] <nevyn> Agrajag: I thought it required dodgy hal tricks.
[05:55] <Keybuk> thully: hoary's just recently frozen upstream versions, so will be stabilising rapidly
[05:55] <Agrajag> and to say there's no ati driver is just plain wrong.
[05:55] <Agrajag> There's fglrx, and radeon.
[05:55] <thully> So, about how many MBs of updates daily?
[05:55] <Agrajag> fglrx being the closed one
[05:55] <Wulf_> Agrajag: radeon has no 3d support
[05:55] <Agrajag> Wulf_: so?
[05:55] <Wulf_> Agrajag: and fglrx doesn't work with recent linux
[05:55] <Agrajag> Wulf_: Why is it in apt?
[05:55] <punkass_> not being able to mount a floppy drive is just silly
[05:56] <Agrajag> I know there are people here who have used fglrx in ubuntu
[05:56] <Agrajag> to say there are no ati drivers is just silly
[05:56] <punkass_> i think there is a howto in the wiki for fglrx
[05:56] <punkass_> its part of the restricted modules package i believe
[05:56] <thully> I know a lot, but I'm a little afraid of hoary breaking to the point that I can't even boot - is this much of a concern currently?
[05:56] <Agrajag> but in any case, if the nvidia driver is locking your system, nicedreams, try the nv driver instead, then check the wiki or some place for a fix
[05:57] <Wulf_> Agrajag: I have linux-2.6.10 and a ati radeon mobility t2. if you know how to get this working (play WoW with cedega) I owe you a sixpack
[05:57] <Agrajag> Wulf_: I have no interest in ati on linux at all.
[05:57] <Agrajag> The drivers are a nightmare, but they do exist.
[05:57] <punkass_> hehe i sold my ati card and got an nvidia :)
[05:57] <Agrajag> Nor do I care much for the concept of cedega
[05:57] <Agrajag> but that's another story
[05:58] <thully> I think I've heard the ati drivers don't play well w/xorg, so you have to use xfree86
[05:58] <punkass_> Wulf_: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3567  all about how to get ati 3d working
[06:00] <Wulf_> punkass_: that thread is old, linux-2.6.10 was released a month later
[06:01] <punkass_> well if u are using warty then it is still relevant.
[06:02] <Wulf_> to be honest, I use sid :)
[06:02] <punkass_> heh
[06:02] <nicedreams> Agrajag, how do i go back to the nv drivers?
[06:02] <punkass_> this floppy nonsense it making me crazy
[06:02] <nicedreams> that's basicly what i'm trying to do
[06:02] <Wulf_> ati promised to bring out new drivers in mid january
[06:03] <nicedreams> if i change my xorg.conf to "nv" x doesn't start
[06:03] <Wulf_> hope this will work
[06:03] <punkass_> that be nice if it did
[06:03] <Agrajag> nicedreams: have you checked your logs?
[06:03] <nicedreams> yea
[06:03] <nicedreams> it's a common debian nvidia problem i'm having
[06:03] <Agrajag> what's the error?
[06:03] <nicedreams> i found out with google
[06:03] <nicedreams> there is not error
[06:03] <Agrajag> oh
[06:03] <nicedreams> it just screws
[06:03] <nicedreams> :(
[06:04] <nicedreams> or it locks up so quick it can't write an error
[06:04] <nicedreams> i'm affraid to even launch another app
[06:04] <nicedreams> watch it crash for fun
[06:04] <nicedreams> anyways....how do i get back to the nv drivers?
[06:05] <punkass_> changing nvidia to nv in your xorg.conf should be all you need
[06:05] <nicedreams> punkass_, i'll try again, but x wouldn't start last time i only change "nvidia" back to "nv"
[06:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just installed a package with apt-get, and it made me insert my cdrom of ubuntu.  what the heck is that nonsense?
[06:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> what if i didn't have it.
[06:06] <Keybuk> BROKEN_LADDER: probably the package was on the CD with no newer version on the net
[06:06] <Agrajag> BROKEN_LADDER: take the CD-ROM out of /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:06] <Keybuk> remove the cd lines from /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:06] <punkass_> turn off your cdrom in your sources.list
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> Agrajag: thanks
[06:06] <Agrajag> I win!
[06:06] <punkass_> lol
[06:06] <nicedreams> wish me luck...brb
[06:06] <thully_> I just lost my connection- so, what's everybody's opinion on the stability of hoary?  about how many MBs are updated/day on a standard install?
[06:06] <Keybuk> thully: 10-12 packages a day
[06:07] <thully_> what is everybody using here, warty or hoary?  is hoary >stable or <stable than sid
[06:07] <punkass_> keybuk: any thoughts on why i wouldnt be able to mount my floppy disk?
[06:07] <Keybuk> except when there's a new gnome release, and seb overdoses on the coffee and uploads them all in record time
[06:07] <Keybuk> punkass_: no idea, I confess to not actually owning any machine with a floppy drive :-/
[06:07] <punkass_> i wish i could say the same
[06:07] <jdub> RECORD TIME
[06:08] <thully_> you mean a new gnome development release (as in, a new 2.9.x), right?
[06:08] <punkass_> its only once and awhile i need to write something to floppy
[06:08] <Keybuk> jdub: I blame you.  You're ruining his health
[06:08] <nicedreams> nice
[06:08] <Keybuk> thully_: yeah, we track gnome very closely and tend to upload 2.9 series the same day they release it
[06:08] <punkass_> nicedreams: i worked?
[06:08] <punkass_> i = it
[06:08] <nicedreams> punkass_, i'm back to nv and it seems okay
[06:08] <punkass_> good stuff
[06:09] <thully_> I used hoary a while back - and it seemed, well, unstable - has this got better?
[06:09] <nevyn> yay for supported drivers.
[06:09] <nicedreams> now I just have to use the system for awhile and see if it crashes.  I can't load glxgears or quake3 so that's a good sign so far
[06:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is the system that is mounting the cdrom in nautilus?
[06:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need to disable it and install automount.
[06:09] <Keybuk> punkass_: how odd, do you have ext2 in /proc/filesystems ?
[06:09] <nicedreams> the people in the #debian channel seems pretty retarded...they say that ubuntu is not debian
[06:09] <punkass_> jdub: how about you,  any thoughts on why i wouldnt be able to mount my floppy disk?
[06:09] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: see removeable storage in your preferences
[06:09] <jdub> punkass_: no floppy drives
[06:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> cool.
[06:10] <nicedreams> that's like saying windows xp and windows 2000 are different
[06:10] <punkass_> who..u or me ?
[06:10] <thully_> nicedreams: ubuntu isn't debian - it's debian-based, with rebuilt packages
[06:10] <nicedreams> same thing
[06:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> nicedreams: aren't they subsantially different?
[06:10] <nicedreams> it's the core of debian
[06:10] <nicedreams> no..i haven't noticed a difference in ubuntu or debian exept for the repositories and a few apps
[06:10] <Keybuk> punkass_: because I don't ... which is curious
[06:10] <nicedreams> same as mepis or knoppix
[06:10] <jdub> nicedreams: it's based on debian, but it's off-topic in debian channels - they have enough users to deal with already
[06:10] <Keybuk> punkass_: try 'sudo modprobe ext2' then mount the floppy
[06:10] <punkass_> jdub: i format with mkfs.vfat then try to mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /floppy and i get an error msg
[06:11] <punkass_> ok
[06:11] <thully_> whats more revolting is that they say distros that use debian sources and few packages different (Kanotix, Libranet) aren't debian!
[06:11] <jdub> thully_: they aren't.
[06:11] <jdub> thully_: that's why we have a different name.
[06:11] <nicedreams> i was just asking about the nvidia crash since it's a debian based nvidia driver problem and they got mad because I use ubuntu hoary
[06:11] <nicedreams> it's all the same machanics
[06:11] <nevyn> nicedreams: umm a number of those people are here too. and it's not that's why they have different names
[06:11] <thully_> ubuntu uses different packages - that's different
[06:11] <punkass_> FATAL: Error inserting ext2 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-1-k7/kernel/fs/ext2/ext2.ko): Invalid module format
[06:11] <jdub> nicedreams: in that case, you're using an ubuntu-specific package, so it's definitely off-topic for debian channel
[06:12] <nicedreams> well if I can use any debian based distro and not have a problem using it and i can't even use fedora or suse without learning them, then pretty much that's the same to me
[06:12] <nicedreams> i guess....but it was a nvidia crash problem
[06:12] <nicedreams> no ubuntu
[06:12] <punkass_> yeah i happened to mention ubuntu in the debain room and didnt get a friendly response
[06:12] <thully_> Kanotix, for instance, uses Knoppix's initscripts but debian packages- everything else is 100% pure sid
[06:12] <jdub> nicedreams: yes, but to be fair, ubuntu is off-topic in debian channels. come here for help instead.
[06:12] <thully_> and they flamed me for asking for help there
[06:12] <JDahl> nicedreams, surely you dont suggest users with ATI drivers and Xorg problems in here should go to debian for help??
[06:12] <nevyn> thully_: except openoffice and a few other bits.
[06:13] <thully_> (with kanotix, not ubuntu)
[06:13] <Keybuk> punkass_: file /lib/modules/2.6.10-1-k7/kernel/fs/ext2/ext2.ko
[06:13] <nevyn> oh. kanotix not knoppix. knoppix is definitly not debian.
[06:13] <thully_> yes - agreed - kanotix is like knoppix, but more pure debian
[06:13] <nicedreams> i guess so, but it's all the same to me
[06:13] <nevyn> and kanotix doesn't sound like debian to me either.
[06:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone know how to configure the applications menu?
[06:14] <jdub> http://www.gnomejournal.org/ <- great new gnome publication :-)
[06:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> like even edit the categories?
[06:14] <thully_> it uses debian sid in the sources.list - only about 5-10 packages are kanotix-specific
[06:14] <nicedreams> now redhat and debian would be different...  my bad for bringing up...  it's over now
[06:14] <jintonic> anybody know of a wiki package for apache i can install with apt-get and it just works?
[06:14] <nicedreams> back to ubuntu talk
[06:14] <nicedreams> jintonic, i found installing webmin does apache pretty well
[06:14] <thully_> OK - have suspend scripts been merged into hoary yet?
[06:14] <punkass_> keybuk:/lib/modules/2.6.10-1-k7/kernel/fs/ext2/ext2.ko: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped
[06:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> when i try to send an instant message with minisip, it just returns to the next line.  anyone know of any obscure ways of "entering" that some programs tend to use?
[06:15] <Guardiann> punkass did you get your answer about formatting?
[06:15] <hunab> ub
[06:15] <jintonic> does it come with wiki support?
[06:16] <punkass_> not yet
[06:16] <nevyn> BROKEN_LADDER: ctrl+enter is common
[06:16] <jintonic> that'd be weird since it sounds like a webserver admin system
[06:16] <punkass_> brb just going to reboot
[06:16] <nicedreams> jintonic, dunno about that, but webmin has a lot of packages
[06:16] <nicedreams> jintonic, it is wierd, but installs a lot of required packages so that a shortcut for me
[06:17] <nevyn> twiki ?
[06:17] <nicedreams> jintonic, like if i apt-get webmin-pptp-server then i can vpn into my box a minute later
[06:18] <jintonic> cool
[06:18] <Necrosan> What can I do to speed up ubuntu on a thinkpad 770?
[06:18] <Necrosan> (it's a 233mhz w/ 96mb ram)
[06:19] <jintonic> are you trying to actually use that day-to-day?
[06:19] <phyberoptix> lol
[06:19] <JDahl> jdub, the newsletter is nice... something I've always missed is a "getting started" guide I can refer new users to
[06:20] <Necrosan> jintonic: Yeah.
[06:20] <calc> Necrosan: perhaps try xfce
[06:20] <jintonic> jesus h christ
[06:20] <calc> and definitely don't run oo.o
[06:20] <jintonic> wth is oo.o?
[06:20] <calc> openoffice.org
[06:21] <jintonic> ooo
[06:21] <calc> or oh oh oh my ram is gone ;)
[06:21] <jintonic> hahaha
[06:21] <Necrosan> calc: I think it's runnning more than it should be..
[06:21] <Necrosan> im not sure though
[06:21] <calc> on a system with only 96mb i would probably run blackbox with nvi and mutt
[06:21] <jkka> http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[06:23] <jintonic> how do you actually use webmin?
[06:23] <nicedreams> https://127.0.0.1:10000
[06:23] <nicedreams> 10000 is the webmin port
[06:23] <nicedreams> use your ip or localhost
[06:23] <nevyn> webmin is a security mess.
[06:23] <nicedreams> webmin has it's problems, but it does make things easy
[06:24] <jintonic> haha, it just blocked me apparently
[06:24] <nicedreams> edit the webmin config
[06:24] <nicedreams> and remove the part that says 127.0.0.1
[06:24] <jintonic> there ought to be a rule against blocking localhost
[06:24] <Necrosan> heh
[06:24] <Necrosan> my sparc uses webmin
[06:24] <nicedreams> it's setup by default to not let you log in from the same machine
[06:24] <Necrosan> but i rarely use webmin. :0
[06:24] <thully_> has anybody tried the daily builds of hoary Live CD? does it work well?
[06:26] <jintonic> apparently not
[06:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> is md5 considered "better" than sha-1 in general?
[06:29] <punkass_> ok well the reboot into the newest kernel seemed to fix the floppy problem...but killed nvidia :(
[06:29] <punkass_> ok so one more question is there a way to get by the 8 character naming rule in the vfat filetype?
[06:31] <Wulf_> use vfat, not msdos
[06:31] <Wulf_> mount -t vfat
[06:32] <kleedrac> I think I found my problem
[06:32] <kleedrac> kleedrac@reborn:~ $ iwlist eth1 scan
[06:32] <kleedrac> eth1      Failed to read scan data : Operation not supported
[06:33] <Wulf_> root
[06:33] <kleedrac> kleedrac@reborn:~ $ sudo iwlist eth1 scan
[06:33] <kleedrac> Password:
[06:33] <kleedrac> eth1      Interface doesn't support scanning : Operation not supported
[06:33] <kleedrac> That's worse :(
[06:33] <Wulf_> what chipset, driver?
[06:34] <kleedrac> orinoco_cs
[06:34] <punkass_> Wulf: thanks..i formatted it as vfat so i hought mount would just use vfat.. but -t vfat worked like a charm
[06:35] <punkass_> kleedrac: i know when i used ndiswrapper it used wlan0
[06:35] <kleedrac> I keep coming accross articles that say I need to patch the driver to scan ... any of you ever hear of this?
[06:36] <stuNNed> yes
[06:36] <kleedrac> stuNNed: is this easy medium or difficult to do?
[06:37] <stuNNed> kleedrac, afaik latest drivers in kernel already have patch, did you try taking the card out and putting it back in?
[06:38] <kleedrac> It's not an external card ... it's the onboard in my IBM Thinkpad A22M
[06:39] <stuNNed> kleedrac, if you need to patch, it's easy enough really
[06:41] <binReapr> hi there
[06:42] <binReapr> if I want to add a new desktop environment, what is the file that I have to modify?
[06:43] <carthik> Can someone please help me partition my drive? pretty please
[06:43] <kleedrac> binReapr: Which environment are you after?
[06:43] <binReapr> I already installed it, I just want the option to appear in the selkection manager at boot
[06:44] <binReapr> it says to edit xinitrc but I dont have such a file, so, I want to add it the way kde adds itself in the session manager
[06:45] <froust> hello
[06:45] <binReapr> carthik: xpde, I want to see xp linux, hehe
[06:45] <froust> can anyone tell me if there are universe packages for hoary amd64?
[06:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone here had any luck setting up enigmail?
[06:46] <binReapr> this hoary version has to be installed on top of warth?
[06:46] <carthik> binReapr, I didn't quite get that... ?
[06:47] <binReapr> I just want to add a line in session manager to tell where are my files
[06:48] <froust> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[06:48] <froust> I get this error message when I load synaptic - anyone know why?
[06:48] <binReapr> the channel is pretty quiet today
[06:49] <phyberoptix> G'Nite everyone
[06:49] <nevyn> froust: hit update
[06:51] <froust> where's that?
[06:51] <billytwowilly> reload button
[06:52] <froust> okay
[06:52] <froust> it worked! thank you nevyn!!
[06:57] <setite> hey
[06:57] <setite> i just realized that only one program can play sound at once
[06:57] <froust> hmm
[06:57] <setite> and sometimes when i pause totem it screws up
[06:58] <froust> if i just installed civ via synaptic, where would it go?
[06:58] <setite> it will say another application is using the sound
[06:58] <setite> do i need to activate full duplex.. and how
[06:59] <setite> froust - /usr/bin ?
[06:59] <setite> file search it
[07:00] <Xenguy> guerby: stop what?
[07:00] <Xenguy> ww
[07:03] <carthik> are there any useful GUI based partitioning tools on the live cd?
[07:03] <froust> set - found it - thanks
[07:04] <dud> carthik, i believe it has qtparted
[07:04] <carthik> dud no, not found
[07:05] <dud> rather weird i suppose...
[07:05] <dud> but why cant you use cfdisk?
[07:07] <Xenguy> heh
[07:07] <crimsun> what in the world is going on?
[07:07] <Xenguy>  /ignore KeyserSoze
[07:07] <regeya> yikes
[07:07] <KeyserLaptop> annoying sunnofa bitch keeps using my registered nick
[07:07] <KeyserLaptop> why does he do it?
[07:08] <fabbione> hey Keyser
[07:08] <KeyserLaptop> and why does he have a script or somesuch that reconnects when i ghost him, or recover the nick?
[07:08] <dud> hmm, i dont suppose anyone has been able to install transcode with apt-get using hoary?
[07:08] <regeya> meep.
[07:08] <KeyserLaptop> sorry for the traffic in here :(
[07:08] <fabbione> KeyserLaptop: what's up man?
[07:09] <fragment> Does amaya work for anyone in warty?
[07:09] <Xenguy> fabbione: KeyserSoze has gone mad :-)
[07:09] <KeyserLaptop> i have KeyserSoze registered.  This other guy signs on as it, and I have to kill him :(
[07:09] <KeyserLaptop> do you know him?
[07:09] <fabbione> Xenguy: i know Keyser personally....
[07:10] <Xenguy> fabbione: I'm being facetious - I hope that is obvious :-)
[07:10] <fabbione> Xenguy: yeah
[07:10] <fabbione> KeyserLaptop: aren't you KeyserSoze?
[07:10] <dud> hmm i wonder, isnt the cerkinfo.be repository in use anymore?
[07:10] <KeyserLaptop> i own the nick
[07:10] <fabbione> ah ok...
[07:10] <KeyserLaptop> the other guy uses it, until i recover the nick
[07:10] <fabbione> ok.. stop the flood
[07:11] <KeyserLaptop> i never come in here, i just popped in to see if he'd say anything
[07:11] <fabbione> i will talk with the other guy
[07:11] <dud> has everything that used to be in cerkinfo.be been moved over to the main repos?
[07:11] <fabbione> i know him personally
[07:11] <fabbione> but please stop the kill stuff
[07:11] <fabbione> it's flooding the chans
[07:11] <Xenguy> In the meantime ->  /ignore KeyserSoze
[07:11] <KeyserLaptop> fabbione: i don't know how to change my nick to KeyserSoze, without disconnecting him, either with ghost or recover
[07:11] <fabbione> KeyserLaptop: can't you just wait that i talk with him?
[07:11] <KeyserLaptop> and he has something that autoreconnects when it disconnects
[07:12] <fabbione> it's not like you will die if you can't use your nick
[07:12] <KeyserLaptop> fabbione: yes, i can and will
[07:12] <setite> where can i find "man pages"
[07:12] <fabbione> i know that...
[07:12] <setite> i need to start learning more commands
[07:12] <KeyserLaptop> i came in here of hopes of communicating that
[07:12] <Xenguy> setite: man man
[07:12] <Xenguy> ;-)
[07:12] <fabbione> KeyserLaptop: yup.. let me talk with him.. but he is on another TZ
[07:12] <KeyserLaptop> because i figured it'd be annoying for everyone in a channel he's in, when i do this
[07:12] <crimsun> setite: 'manpages' and 'manpages-dev'
[07:12] <fabbione> KeyserLaptop: so i don't meet him everyday...
[07:13] <setite> on APT?
[07:13] <KeyserLaptop> sure thing
[07:13] <crimsun> setite: yes
[07:13] <setite> oh
[07:13] <Xenguy> setite: then -> man man
[07:14] <setite> thats no fun
[07:14] <fabbione> KeyserLaptop: thanks
[07:14] <setite> man man?
[07:14] <binReapr> that xpde thingy is funny, but not usable
[07:15] <jintonic> i've got a weird problem on warty... libapache-miniwiki-perl won't install because: libapache-miniwiki-perl: Depends: perlmagick but it is not going to be installed
[07:15] <dud> the restriced formats at apt.cerkinfo.be, have they been moved over to universe/multiverse?
[07:15] <binReapr> after installing kde over and over, I stick with gnome
[07:16] <setite> i got a blunt stick for you
[07:16] <dud> i mean.. does this source.list look sane and normal for hoary? http://pastebin.ca/4033
[07:16] <Xenguy> sure you do
[07:16] <jocco> Just wanted to stop in and say Thanks for Ubintu, I have a very nice system now :)
[07:17] <setite> yes you do
[07:17] <dud> good good
[07:17] <Xenguy> bye
[07:17] <jintonic> so i try to install perlmagick: Depends: libmagick6 (= 5:6.0.2.5-1ubuntu1) but 5:6.0.2.5-1ubuntu1.2 is to be installed
[07:17] <regeya> you rock jocco
[07:17] <setite> SMP?
[07:17] <jintonic> so i try to install libmagick: libmagick6 is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 10 not upgraded
[07:18] <jocco> smp= more than 1 processor
[07:18] <setite> oh ok
[07:18] <setite> what ati drivers
[07:18] <dud> noone knows wether or not its wise to have apt.cerkinfo.be in their hoary sources.list then...?
[07:18] <jocco> I hear rhumor that there are going to be 64bit ATI drivers released this week
[07:19] <binReapr> why gnome dont create shortcuts for new installed programs? or how can I add a custom menu to a panel?
[07:19] <jocco> yea where is panel manager?
[07:19] <jocco> I could not find either
[07:19] <setite> but will they still suck
[07:19] <jocco> I dont know
[07:20] <regeya> in nautilus go to File->Open Location... and for location type applications:///
[07:20] <setite> i mean 64-bit optimization wont completely solve the performance problem
[07:20] <jocco> i hear they are optimized for DOOM3
[07:20] <setite> or will it
[07:20] <setite> doom3 pfft... wheres the HL2 optimization
[07:20] <jocco> yea :)
[07:20] <regeya> in nautilus go to File->Open Location... and for location type applications:/// <- that was meant for binReapr and jocco
[07:20] <binReapr> thnx regeya
[07:20] <setite> i wonder if nvidia is gonna counter that
[07:20] <jocco> Thanks regeya
[07:20] <regeya> binReapr, np
[07:20] <jocco> :)
[07:20] <regeya> jocco, np :-)
[07:20] <vIkSiT> anyone using ubuntu with 128mb RAM?
[07:21] <vIkSiT> Would it perform okay?
[07:21] <setite> oh they already have one?
[07:21] <IBOIC> hello
[07:21] <setite> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_1.0-6111.html
[07:21] <IBOIC> i wanted to thank the ubuntu team for the cds
[07:21] <regeya> um, holy moly, I just double-clicked on 'Home' from the applications:/// window, and lo and behold, I have a lovely KONQUEROR listing of my home dir.  Hm.
[07:21] <IBOIC> im poor and ubuntu is my operating system
[07:22] <IBOIC> i couldnt afford microsoft nor could i even use windows xp on my old pc if i even wanted to
[07:22] <IBOIC> ubuntu is great, thank you
[07:24] <setite> oooh there is a nice forum abotu linux nvidia 64 drivers
[07:24] <setite> nice
[07:24] <IBOIC> africans and i thank you
[07:24] <IBOIC> :)
[07:25] <dud> btw, /usr/share/applications is where the applications menu bar is
[07:25] <treed> /etc/cron.daily/apt:
[07:25] <treed> stamp=1105171200, now=1105257600, delta=86400
[07:25] <treed> I get that in my mail every day.
[07:25] <treed> What does it mean and how can I stop it?
[07:25] <IBOIC> im poor in the usa
[07:26] <IBOIC> others are poor in africa and in huts
[07:26] <IBOIC> so
[07:26] <IBOIC> ubuntu is great for us :)
[07:26] <treed> IBOIC, great to hear! ;D
[07:26] <treed> I have money and Ubuntu is great for me too.
[07:26] <dud> i dont really think that ubuntu is african is it?
[07:26] <treed> dud: The word is.
[07:26] <treed> And Mr. Shuttlesworth is from South Africa
[07:27] <treed> oga: You probably need the restricted formats support.
[07:27] <treed> It's on the wiki some where
[07:27] <oga> k
[07:27] <treed> RestrictedFormats or some such is the page name
[07:27] <oga> treed- thanks
[07:27] <treed> no prob
[07:27] <treed> It's hard to say that any distro is from any particular country, though.
[07:28] <treed> Because of the volunteers from all around the world at every level of development.
[07:28] <IBOIC> treed yes true
[07:28] <dud> "Canonical is a global organisation headquartered in the Isle of Man, with employees throughout Europe, North America, South America and Australia."
[07:28] <IBOIC> treed:  Ubuntu is the only distro that ships worldwide tho i think
[07:28] <treed> If anything, I guess you could say that it depends on which country the company that sells it is from.
[07:28] <IBOIC> for free :)
[07:28] <treed> Like Mandrake in France.
[07:28] <dud> it seems that africa is the only continent it doesnt have workers on hehe
[07:28] <treed> IBOIC, possible
[07:28] <treed> dud, the owner is south african though
[07:28] <IBOIC> dud:  ? shuttleworth is from africa
[07:29] <vIkSiT> IBOIC, he's the south african billionaire
[07:29] <dud> truly a global company in that case... :)
[07:29] <dud> which is nice
[07:29] <vIkSiT> first space tourist and things
[07:29] <binReapr> if I download all the packs on the server and then burn them, if a do a clean install of ubuntu, will synaptics detect my packages just giving the patch where the files are?
[07:30] <dud> binReapr, you can add that as a cdrom apt repository in your sources.list i believe
[07:30] <binReapr> ah
[07:32] <Seq> does anybody know why I get a failure configuring linux-image-2.6.10-1-686 in hoary?
[07:32] <binReapr> where si this hoary? is on the ftp too?
[07:33] <jocco> no you have to apt-get hoary
[07:33] <jintonic> i wouldn't recommend it, it's fubar
[07:33] <jocco> there is instructions on ubuntu website in the wiki
[07:33] <Seq> exact error is while creating an initrd: "mkcramfs: ROM image write failed (wrote 1564672 of 4628480 bytes): No space left on device?"
[07:33] <binReapr> ok
[07:33] <jocco> hoary did not like me, I had to go back to warty
[07:34] <Seq> ah, crap. nm, /boot was full :/
[07:34] <linux-rulz> jocco: what did it do? (i was considering trying it out)
[07:34] <binReapr> too unstable yet?
[07:34] <jintonic> me too, except it was me that didn't like hoary
[07:34] <dud> hoary works good for me
[07:34] <jocco> let me log in, and displayed a popuo with a lightbulb icon, then only had Terminal window opn
[07:34] <dud> its wise to have a certain level of *nix knowledge if you wanna venture into hoary i suppose
[07:35] <jocco> yea i am noob
[07:35] <dud> because things will go wrong, and you'll have to fix it yourself most likely
[07:35] <jintonic> meh... a major reason i like ubuntu more than other linux distros is the installer kicks ass
[07:35] <dud> if you just want the latest applications without the bleeding edge, you can check out ubuntu-bp.sf.net
[07:36] <jintonic> you don't have to spend forever just to get your os working so you can get on to whatever you were trying to do
[07:40] <binReapr> someone here using opera for linux?
[07:45] <jocco> /usr/share/fonts is this the only font folder for ubuntu?
[07:46] <linux-rulz> binReapr: not anymore, but i used to, why?
[07:47] <linux-rulz> binReapr: need help installing it?
[07:50] <binReapr> no, I just want to know how to improve the ugly no-antialias fonts it uses
[07:51] <linux-rulz> binReapr: lol, i switched back to firefox pretty quick, so im not sure
[07:51] <binReapr> ok
[07:53] <oga> but i've installed almost every package i can find
[07:54] <mike_douglas> Have the ubuntu dev's taken a look at evince(http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/evince/) as an alternative to xpdf? It's a little rough around the edges, but still a great improvement on gpdf.
[07:54] <jocco> Ooooo Emblems are NEAT!! can we add custom ones to Gnome?
[07:55] <Seq> mike_douglas: i've got it installed. It's in the tree, at least in hoary
[07:55] <Seq> mike_douglas: though its still not as good as ggv I think, it has potential
[07:56] <mike_douglas> wow, it is. Didn't think they had a release yet.
[07:56] <jocco> my firefox wont install themes ,extensions, or let me add new search fields... is there a way to tell apt-get to repair firefox or tore-install it? in synaptic it tells me to insert the warty cd.
[07:56] <linux-rulz> lol, any of them are better than Adobe's Acrobat Reader Linux release
[07:57] <linux-rulz> jocco: remove the Ubuntu CD from your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:57] <jocco> Cool Thanks :)
[07:57] <linux-rulz> oh, and then apt-get update first before trying to redo firefox
[07:57] <jocco> ok :)
[07:58] <Seq> linux-rulz: funny how they make the worst X pdf viewer
[07:59] <linux-rulz> lol, i know, it is horrible...you can't even scroll. although adobe reader 7 entered beta, but you have to give them personal information that even MS doesn't ask for so I quit halfway through registering to beta it
[07:59] <crimsun> actually you don't need to register to download it
[07:59] <crimsun> (I just did it this afternoon for my workstation at school)
[08:00] <linux-rulz> crimsun: where did u go to get it...i had all these stupid questions being asked and no download link
[08:00] <Seq> is it simple? I heard it uses gtk, but if it's all flashy, then it is still garbage
[08:00] <MM2> Can I install Ubuntu from usb memory stick?
[08:00] <Seq> I'm running the vmware 5 beta, and it'a actually looking really nice
[08:00] <jocco> :D
[08:00] <crimsun> linux-rulz: standard adobe web site
[08:01] <jocco> when I install wine should I install the ALSA-wine packages with it?
[08:02] <Seq> nite all
[08:02] <linux-rulz> Linux Beta: Thank you for your interest in the pre-release program for Adobe Reader 7.0 for Linux. Due to the overwhelming response received from customers, we have closed the pre-release program. To download released versions of Adobe Reader for different platforms, please follow Step 1 below to select your platform, language and connection speed.
[08:02] <jocco> is there a way to make gnome file manage operate in ROOT mode?
[08:03] <punkass_> crimsun: i heard about that...how does it work? alot better than 5?
[08:03] <mike_douglas> jocco: $sudo nautilus
[08:04] <jocco> Thanks mike :)
[08:04] <jocco> Cool it works, you rock <mike_douglas> :)
[08:04] <mike_douglas> np
[08:06] <crimsun> punkass_: it works better on XP than 6, that's for sure
[08:07] <linux-rulz> i prefer xpdf over adobe 7 for windows, xpdf has all the features i need, but not too many
[08:09] <arago> hi all
[08:10] <jmob> hello singular person
[08:12] <arago> i'm planning to deploy a server with ubuntu ... any suggestion here ?
[08:12] <smitty> does anyone have any problems burning audio cds with cd/dvd create?
[08:13] <smitty> or does everyone use kb or xcdroast or something?
[08:13] <arago> smitty-> i'm using k3b and i'm happy ...
[08:13] <jocco> (nautilus:7744): Bonobo-WARNING **: Leaked a total of 5 refs to 4 bonobo object(s)
[08:13] <jocco> what is that?
[08:15] <smitty> arago: so it's a must to have like k3b or something...it can't be done just with cd/dvd creatte?
[08:15] <smitty> I can burn mp3s fine but my audio keep coming out useless.
[08:16] <arago> smitty-> really i have no idea. I'm so "graphical interface addicted" ... ;)
[08:17] <smitty> arago: I'm more graphical myself also.
[08:17] <jmob> Can you ignore missing gpg sigs with apt-get & hoary?
[08:18] <arago> so fly to the ubuntu wiki's and read the k3b how-to ;)
[08:18] <smitty> I'm just trying to make sure I need it first
[08:19] <jocco> isnt that just part of KDE?
[08:19] <arago> No. It's a GUI to cdrecord & C.
[08:19] <arago> But yes it's developed mainly for kde.
[08:19] <smitty> It's weird I can burn an Mp3 disk but not a wave audio with the same program
[08:19] <jocco> Cool! i am going to get it, i alway though it was part of KED :)
[08:19] <arago> i think it's a flaw of gnome.
[08:20] <arago> i read somewhere about wav & gnome ... but forget ...
[08:21] <smitty> well I've read about the ISO thing and learned how to make one of those
[08:22] <smitty> didn't burn how it was antisipated to though
[08:23] <arago> uh ? what u mean ?
[08:23] <smitty> well on the uduntuguide.org it says to make an ISO image and then write it to disk from that image
[08:24] <smitty> when I do that it just burns it as a data cd that's unreadable for my sterio
[08:25] <smitty> ubuntuguide.org that is
[08:26] <arago> u must do an iso image of an audio only cd
[08:26] <arago> or your "sterio" dislike the "homemade" cd ;)
[08:27] <smitty> no..my sterio's very friendly indeed
[08:27] <arago> iso image is just the image of cd . If u don't made AUDIO cd u never cant listen it without pc
[08:27] <arago> (well, some DVD reader can manage data cd too...)
[08:28] <arago> Coffe time ... BRB
[08:28] <smitty> k
[08:32] <travis> Hey
[08:37] <kleedrac> Anyone here have experience with orinoco_cs based cards?
[08:38] <travis> haha no
[08:38] <travis> I don't even have experience with linux
[08:38] <praetorian> could anyone confirm or tell me how to check, what flags ubuntu's kernel is compiled with?
[08:38] <praetorian> particulary CONFIG_I2C and CONFIF_VIDEO_DEV stuff
[08:39] <birme> look in /boot
[08:39] <birme> CONFIG_I2C=m
[08:39] <birme> CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV=m
[08:39] <praetorian> oh, thank you very much
[08:39] <birme> in 2.6.8.1-4-386 kernel at least
[08:40] <travis> could anyone tell me why I can't get any media players to play media!....haha, it sucks.
[08:40] <praetorian> im trying to get my tv turner card to work with some drivers and was worried that i would have to recompile the kernel
[08:41] <praetorian> well, thanks very much birme - That just saved me having a heart attack that I would have to recompile the kernel
[08:42] <birme> praetorian: your welcome
[08:48] <telewhazit> i have a grub problem
[08:48] <telewhazit> i followed the directions in the WIKI to make a back up of my master boot record
[08:49] <telewhazit> but it seems to have done something to the MBR
[08:49] <telewhazit> now I get this:
[08:49] <telewhazit> GRUB loading, please wait...
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> i installed gaim 1.1.1 and when i ran apt-get dist-upgrade it installed 1.0.0 over it. wtf
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> it installed an OLDER VERSION!
[08:49] <telewhazit> then hangs
[08:49] <telewhazit> forever
[08:49] <telewhazit> no errors
[08:50] <telewhazit> i had to use the Windows XP disk to rewrite the MBR
[08:50] <telewhazit> but now i can't access my Ubuntu install
[08:51] <telewhazit> oh, and the grub floppy doesn't work either, it does the same exact thing
[08:53] <arago> telewhazit, try to boot with ubuntu cd
[08:54] <telewhazit> i have but there are no tools for rewriting the mbr, short of reinstalling and i'd rather not do that
[08:54] <arago> i'm playing with webimn ... but can't login. It say i need the root pwd but on ubuntu it dosn't exist ... any idea ?
[08:54] <arago> telewhazit, try with live, chroot the root of your li
[08:55] <arago> chroot and do a grub-install
[08:55] <jocco> launch webadmin from the commandline with sudo
[08:55] <telewhazit> arago: you've lost me
[08:55] <telewhazit> chroot?
[08:56] <mgedmin> [hoary]  when I log out, gnome-panel keeps running; when I log in again, I get an error dialog saying that the panel is already running, but the panel is not visible
[08:56] <telewhazit> arago: you mean, download the live cd?
[08:56] <mgedmin> I have to open a terminal and do pkill -u $USER
[08:56] <HrdwrBoB> mgedmin: upgrade :)
[08:57] <mgedmin> good idea, I didn't do that today yet :-)
[08:58] <telewhazit> arago: what does "chroot the root of your li" mean?
[09:01] <arago> telewhazit, u don't own any cd with linux on it ?
[09:02] <arago> if u own a fedora cd boot it into rescue mode and follow on screen info
[09:03] <telewhazit> arago: i have a Ubuntu cd, several Mandrake cds and a Knoppic cd
[09:03] <telewhazit> *knoppix
[09:03] <arago> use mandrake... i think they have the rescue option
[09:03] <telewhazit> Mandrake doesn't use GRUB
[09:04] <telewhazit> so i don't see what good that would do
[09:04] <arago> from 9 mndrake use grub.
[09:04] <arago> but isn't so important. u need to get into system
[09:04] <telewhazit> MDK 9 doesn't use GRUB
[09:05] <arago> than mount your linux root and issue chroot <mount point>
[09:05] <arago> u will have a virtual root filesystem to use .
[09:05] <telewhazit> then what?
[09:05] <arago> when u have it u can do a grub-install .
[09:05] <telewhazit> how can i do a grub-install when grub isn't available on the mandrake disk?
[09:06] <arago> when u chroot u got the ubuntu system.
[09:07] <telewhazit> ok
[09:07] <telewhazit> i guess i'll give it a try
[09:07] <arago> it's so easy doing it than explain ... *grin*
[09:07] <telewhazit> but will it redetect my windows install?
[09:08] <arago> grub-install reinstall the grub with the file that reside on disk ..
[09:08] <arago> (i think) :)
[09:08] <telewhazit> but the file on disk isn't working?!?!
[09:08] <telewhazit> i mean, isn't that why grub won't come up?
[09:09] <telewhazit> i'm confused
[09:09] <arago> i lost the point ...
[09:10] <arago> try in that way. if the file is invalid grub will generate a new one. imho
[09:10] <telewhazit> *grumble* grubs a pain in the butt *grumble*
[09:11] <arago> hehe, maybe
[09:11] <telewhazit> arago: ok, thanks for the help, maybe i'll figure out how to stumble through it
[09:12] <arago> last hint: reinstall linux ;)
[09:17] <telewhazit> arago: that would suck. i have everything set up the way i want
[09:23] <scizzo> good morning
[09:23] <jocco> I am trying to uninstall firefox, and synaptic says it wants to uninstall ubuntu desktop too :/ is this a bad thing?
[09:23] <jocco> Hi scizzo :)
[09:24] <scizzo> jocco: why would you want to uninstall firefox?
[09:24] <jocco> so I can install new firefox :)
[09:24] <jocco> the guide tells me to uninstall old firefox first
[09:25] <jocco> here is guide :)
[09:25] <scizzo> jocco: is it a ubuntu package that you are going to install?
[09:25] <jocco> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UpgradingToFirefox10
[09:25] <jocco> nope
[09:25] <jocco> it is fresh from Mozilla
[09:26] <scizzo> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[09:26] <scizzo> look at that first
[09:28] <jocco> Thanks Scizzo :) that looks much more easy 8)
[09:28] <cocaxx> hi
[09:28] <scizzo> jocco: well..I am not sure yet if there is firefox in that
[09:30] <olga> hello! i seem to have problems trying to play .mp3-files, does anyone know why?
[09:30] <scizzo> olga: yes
[09:31] <scizzo> olga: its a restrictedformat and ubuntu does not support that in the main repositories
[09:31] <scizzo> or something like htat
[09:31] <scizzo> it has to do with legal thingys
[09:31] <scizzo> olga: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:32] <scizzo> olga: you will find information about packages and reasons for this at that page
[09:32] <olga> ok so it is possible to play mp3s anyway then ;)
[09:32] <punkass_> anyone running freenx here?
[09:33] <scizzo> olga: yes
[09:33] <scizzo> olga: you need libgstreamer-mad or something like that
[09:33] <scizzo> if you want to play it in rhythmbox
[09:34] <olga> scizzo, okay thanx a lot!
[09:34] <scizzo> but look at that page I told you and you will find alot of good info there
[09:34] <olga> yeah i'll do that =)
[09:36] <scizzo> jocco: yup 1.0 works fine here at least... :)
[09:36] <jocco> I cant see it in synaptic
[09:36] <scizzo> jocco: just run a upgrade
[09:36] <jocco> i added new repository too
[09:36] <scizzo> I did also
[09:37] <scizzo> and then I ran a reload...mark upgradable...and apply
[09:37] <jocco> ok I try :)
[09:37] <jocco> Thanks
[09:37] <arago> see you later !
[09:38] <jocco> Hooray!
[09:39] <jocco> It WORKS :) Thanks scizzo :)
[09:40] <scizzo> np
[09:40] <deadshell> hi
[09:45] <praetorian> birme: another questions if i may?
[09:47] <kleedrac> Anyone know where to find a howto on patching the orinoco_cs driver?
[09:55] <praetorian> if i applied http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~chrisp/Linux-DVB/DVICO/hid-core.c.diff and hid.h.diff
[09:55] <praetorian> what would i have to do to make them 'active' per se
[09:59] <dreadgraham> Hi, Can anyone point me to documentation for setting up a HP 635 p/port scanner?
[10:01] <kleedrac> Has anyone here patched a driver (orinoco_cs) or can point me to a howto file?
[10:03] <deadshell> hi
[10:04] <deadshell> i made some help pages if anyone would like to see
[10:05] <deadshell> just basic stuff for a newbbie
[10:05] <deadshell> kinda quiet
[10:05] <kleedrac> anything on patching a driver deadshell??
[10:06] <scizzo> deadshell: post the url then
[10:06] <deadshell> sorry kleedrac i haven't done that yet...it's pretty much just my notes of stuff i've learned so far but you can look for future reference
[10:07] <scizzo> dreadgraham: maybe look for xsane?
[10:07] <deadshell> holdon
[10:07] <scizzo> deadshell: xsane is suppose to be for scanners
[10:08] <deadshell> ok here it is http://www.angelfire.com/mac/blurrhog/linux.html
[10:09] <jocco> are there backports for gimp 2.2?
[10:09] <jocco> or a list of all backports ? :D TIA
[10:10] <jocco> new firefox works great :)
[10:10] <deadshell>  try herehttp://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[10:11] <jocco> thanks
[10:11] <scizzo> deadshell: already gave him that link hehe
[10:11] <deadshell> i know i copied it
[10:11] <scizzo> jocco: search for the version
[10:11] <deadshell> :P
[10:11] <deadshell> g'night all
[10:11] <scizzo> jocco: apt-cache search gimp
[10:12] <deadshell> scizzo, did you check out my help page?
[10:12] <scizzo> deadshell: yes
[10:12] <deadshell> i like critics
[10:12] <scizzo> deadshell: some info is a little missleading.. :P
[10:12] <deadshell> especially when i'm wrong about something
[10:13] <deadshell> i'm a lazy typer
[10:13] <scizzo> "Adding new apps is easy." <---- "Installing new applications."
[10:13] <deadshell> which one
[10:13] <scizzo> not adding
[10:13] <deadshell> true
[10:13] <jocco> apt-cache search gimp... this shows me every instance of gimp on my hard disk?
[10:13] <scizzo> you should also mention some stuff about what you are looking at when you are doing sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:14] <scizzo> not just say vi sources.list and then apt-get dist-upgrade...then they think vi does something else then using it as a editor
[10:15] <scizzo> jocco: no...apt-cache search package searches for things in the reps you have
[10:15] <scizzo> aaa..sorry
[10:15] <scizzo> deadshell: ignore that last thing...
[10:15] <scizzo> deadshell: didn't see the apt.conf stuff
[10:15] <jocco> Ah i see, ther is not the version I am looking for, i want 2.2 not 2.0.2 ,
[10:15] <deadshell> should i move the apt.conf stuff
[10:16] <jocco> perhaps i try hoary upgrade again :D
[10:16] <deadshell> scizzo, i changed 'adding' to 'installing'
[10:17] <deadshell> my note pad is a mess
[10:17] <scizzo> I have some apt basics also...
[10:17] <scizzo> old stuff though
[10:18] <scizzo> when I started using Debian
[10:19] <deadshell> i'm only less than a year with debian
[10:19] <deadshell> man i gotta sleep
[10:19] <jocco> OoooOOo Xfce 4.2 is in this backport list :)
[10:19] <jocco> night deadshell
[10:19] <deadshell> thanks scizzo for looking
[10:20] <deadshell> cya jocco
[10:20] <jocco> night :)
[10:20] <scizzo> deadshell: didn't look that much just got through some of the things
[10:20] <scizzo> working so...
[10:20] <deadshell> np scizzo cya
[10:21] <Vaportrail> good morning world
[10:21] <jocco> LOL they are still on blender 2.35 , i have 2.36... to install it all you do is unzip it LOL!
[10:22] <da_bon_bon> can anyone tell me whether the "All codecs" package on mplayerhq.hu has the SAMR codec ?
[10:25] <HostingGeek> \/j #redhat
[10:25] <HostingGeek> oooops
[10:25] <da_bon_bon> can anyone tell me whether the "All codecs" package on mplayerhq.hu has the SAMR codec ?
[10:25] <HostingGeek> HAHA redhat sucks its so old
[10:27] <jblack> Has anybody recently installed kde only to find the menus are empty?
[10:30] <birme> praetorian: sure, was drinking coffee... shoot
[10:30] <jocco> brb rebooting to new XFce :D
[10:34] <Zitter> hi, is it possibile to order CDs from ubuntu site?
[10:34] <jblack> sure thing. give shipit.ubuntu.com a try
[10:35] <Zitter> thanks a lot
[10:37] <HostingGeek> if anyone comes in here looking for me i wasn't here
[10:38] <tr011> how can i get a list of all my user groups?
[10:38] <Zitter> HostingGeek, ok :)
[10:39] <HostingGeek> Zitter: thx
[10:40] <da_bon_bon> hey, how do i bypass DVD region locking in linux ? i use DVDenie on windows..
[10:40] <Wulf_> getent group
[10:41] <tr011> Wulf_ thanks
[10:42] <Vaportrail> Wulf_ willst du nicht #ubuntu-de fllen? :P
[10:44] <dud> da_bon_bon, linux has no software region locking
[10:44] <da_bon_bon> dud: ok.
[10:44] <dud> if your dvd drive is locked hardware wise to a certain region, you'll have to update your firmware to a cracked region free one
[10:45] <dud> which is best done under win32 afaik...
[10:46] <praetorian> birme: its fine now .. i decided to go another way about it ;-)
[10:46] <praetorian> thank you tho
[10:46] <birme> ok, just ask and I try to help
[10:47] <Wulf_> Vaportrail: nein, eigentlich nicht ;)
[10:48] <Vaportrail> dann nicht :)
[10:51] <ixus_123> hello.  I was wonding if any one could help in adding to apt-get repositories
[10:52] <ixus_123> I'm adding the site (deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main) but it doesn't seem to want to fetch a list
[10:53] <ixus_123> (I'm using warty)
[10:56] <bob2> I'm pretty sure it doesn't work with warty anymore
[10:56] <bob2> but that's not your problem atm
[10:58] <ixus_123> Ah - that might be it
[10:58] <ixus_123> Do you know if there is a help app to install the deb. package I have?
[10:58] <djtansey> i am having trouble mounting an external ext3 drive as ext3 -- i can only mount as ext2. when i try ext3 I get EXT3-fs: journal inode is deleted. in dmesg. any guesses?
[10:58] <ixus_123> I downloaded gvidcap manually
[11:00] <bob2> 'help app'?
[11:00] <bob2> you install it with dpkg.
[11:00] <HostingGeek> welcome EvolutionR
[11:01] <bob2> djtansey: it's not ext3.  you can use tune2fs to re-add the journal, I guess.
[11:01] <HostingGeek> EvolutionR Join already arghhhh
[11:02] <djtansey> bob2: it was certainly ext3 before. and when i do tune2fs -j to re-add the journal i get "journal already exists" or something like that
[11:02] <bob2> oh, ouch
[11:02] <bob2> HostingGeek: please?
[11:02] <ixus_123> bobs:  Thanks :)  I'll get on that right away
[11:02] <lifeless> djtansey: you should do an fschk -f
[11:02] <lifeless> erm fsck -f
[11:02] <bob2> 'sudo dpkg -i blah.deb', but it won't help if you don't have all the dependencies installed.
[11:02] <HostingGeek> EvolutionR: lol if you saw the comment i said right above your join
[11:03] <djtansey> lifeless: doing that currently. fsck -c -v -f /dev/sda1 -- what will it actually do, though
[11:03] <EvolutionR> example I go to online streaming trailers....the website said I dont have the plugin for it? how to use xine-ui to play the quicktimes trailers???
[11:04] <lifeless> djtansey: whatever is wrong should be shown by an fsck.
[11:04] <HostingGeek> mako: how is traffic going
[11:04] <djtansey> lifeless: let's hope so. it is going very slow (thousand blocks/sec of 29 million)
[11:08] <EvolutionR> help on xine-lib.  How to enable the win32 codecs files in xine-lib?  I have them in the following /usr/lib/win32 but still cant play the files
[11:11] <ruebe> hi hello moin
[11:13] <jintonic> heh... i left glxgears running for a while and it segfaulted now
[11:19] <jamin_l> hi guys... i'm frustrated... because i can't seem to get certain tihngs on this machine to work
[11:19] <topyli> yeah. must be frustrating :)
[11:19] <smitty> hey jamin. i'm a newbie too and I feel your pain
[11:19] <jamin_l> ie. Flash plugin, Perl module "XML::Parser"
[11:20] <smitty> i'm trying to burn a cd myself...already burned it to the drive...I'm half way their
[11:20] <jamin_l> i have 1.5 linux machines... and i feel like i'm back in the crib for learning computer geeky stuff....
[11:20] <bob2> jamin_l: it's in the libxml-parser-perl package
[11:20] <bob2> and the flash plugin is explained on wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:21] <olga> does anyone know any good ftp-server programs for ubuntu linux?
[11:21] <smitty> but this wiki's a making me wonder if my problem is the way I'm typeing the comand or cd record having bugs?
[11:21] <jamin_l> yes i've downloaded the flash plugin
[11:21] <jamin_l> and i've tried running the installer
[11:21] <bob2> olga: vsftpd s nice.
[11:21] <bob2> jamin_l: no, please read the wiki page
[11:22] <jamin_l> the installer refuses to see that /usr/lib/mozilla/ exists
[11:22] <smitty> dude I totally feel like I'm back to being a rookie.
[11:22] <jamin_l> so i had to manually copy the files in sudo mode to the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ folder
[11:22] <jamin_l> and after logging out & logging back in... it still failes
[11:22] <olga> bob2, okay ill try that one
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[11:22] <bob2> jamin_l: you just need to install the package, as the wiki page says
[11:23] <jamin_l> the install doesn't work
[11:23] <jamin_l> it refuses to accept that there is a "/usr/lib/mozilla/" directory
[11:23] <bob2> jamin_l: what does 'dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree | tail -n1' print out?
[11:23] <jamin_l> it barks back and says "Help Me! Help Me! I'm a poor waif & refuse to accept the truth & there is no directory there"
[11:24] <jamin_l> bob2: lemme check
[11:24] <jamin_l> No packages found matching flashplugin-nonfree
[11:25] <jamin_l> the one i grabbed from the macromedia site is "install_flash_player_7_linux"
[11:26] <smitty> $ cdrecord dev=device-name *.wav  Do I type it like cdrecord CD_ROM_2 *.wav?  Will that work?
[11:27] <techn9ne> how doy ou make cdrecord work w/ dvds?
[11:27] <bob2> jamin_l: ok, so you didn't follow the wiki page
[11:27] <bob2> jamin_l: please follow the instructions there
[11:27] <Zindar> nope.. try /dev/cdrom for example
[11:27] <bob2> smitty: cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom blah.iso, for instance
[11:27] <jamin_l> dammit it was in SPM the whole bloody time
[11:29] <jamin_l> MORONIC package! XMMS version is higher than the one it wants
[11:30] <Zitter> see you later
[11:31] <smitty> i keep getting a message that my cd recorder is unofficial and may have bugs
[11:32] <jamin_l> life was easier under Windows... but i want to learn Linux
[11:32] <smitty> Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler
[11:32] <smitty> same here jamin_l
[11:33] <bob2> jamin_l: chill dude
[11:33] <smitty> but you can instal windows on linux
[11:33] <bob2> smitty: that's just a warning
[11:33] <smitty> so I've read
[11:33] <jamin_l> i feel like such a freaking SHMUCK the darned packages for XML::Parser (Perl) & FLash plugin were in Synaptic Package Manager the whole freakin time
[11:33] <no0tic> jamin_l: You will find that once learned it will be more difficult return using windows ;)
[11:33] <bob2> smitty: if you run it as 'sudo cdrecord...' it will go away (and might be a good idea if you have a slowish machine)
[11:34] <jamin_l> bob2: Sorry, I'm still recovering from the shock of reconfiguring my iPod with Windows yesterday and reformatting all my precious data that I backed up there
[11:34] <bob2> ouch
[11:34] <jamin_l> and my only recourse is to attempt an undelete on the drive... and hope I can get it back & that it hasn't be zeroed out
[11:34] <jamin_l> 10 freaking gigabytes of data
[11:34] <bob2> smitty: the warning about unofficialness is due to the cdrecord author being a somewhat interesting person with a strong disliked of linux
[11:35] <jamin_l> of course there was someone on another forum whose hard drive just failed and he lost 155.5GB of data & 40 hours worth of recorded video
[11:35] <smitty> interesting bob2
[11:36] <ubuntu> hi, trying to install player-k6 in warty I added marillat to repository and did sudo apt-get install mplayer-k6. I get The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:36] <ubuntu>   mplayer-k6: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.1) but it is not going to be installed
[11:36] <ubuntu>  and 4 more other dep problems. what can ? do? should I upgrade do hoary?
[11:36] <smitty> but what am I doing wrong bob2?
[11:36] <bob2> smitty: with what?
[11:36] <bob2> that command line looks fine
[11:36] <BockBilbo> hello
[11:37] <bob2> ubuntu: yes, it doesn't work anymore
[11:37] <BockBilbo> i wanted to ask some questions about hoary
[11:37] <ubuntu> bob2, will it work if I upgrade to hoary?
[11:37] <jamin_l> brb - going to test these flash & Java things that i installed
[11:38] <smitty> I think i'm miscorectly typeing the comand and can't figure out what i'm typing wrong
[11:38] <BockBilbo> ... ive tried to switch from warty to hoary by updating the sources.list file and upgrating the system via apt... but somehow it doesnt upgrade some important packages like gnome
[11:38] <bob2> smitty: why do you think that?
[11:38] <BockBilbo> ....
[11:38] <bob2> BockBilbo: 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[11:38] <BockBilbo> ohh..
[11:38] <BockBilbo> true :S like in debian
[11:38] <BockBilbo> lol
[11:38] <BockBilbo> but..
[11:39] <bob2> read the man page, the difference is important
[11:39] <BockBilbo> i have one last question..
[11:39] <bob2> also make sure you have ubuntu-desktop installed
[11:39] <BockBilbo> bob2, i have i just reinstalled the whole system
[11:39] <jamin_l> ok got flash working
[11:39] <smitty> well I'm a newbie and it's the best I can figure bob2
[11:39] <BockBilbo> is the wireless toolkit included in hoary bob2?
[11:40] <smitty> the wiki can be a little confusing
[11:40] <jamin_l> still no Java
[11:40] <jayakumar2> jamin_l, which flashplayer did you use?
[11:40] <BockBilbo> cause after i did the wrong upgrade by just doing apt-get upgrade ....i cannot use my wireless card
[11:40] <bob2> BockBilbo: 'wireless toolkit'?
[11:40] <BockBilbo> yes
[11:40] <jamin_l> uhm it's in Synaptic Package Manager
[11:40] <jamin_l> i can't remember the exact name
[11:40] <bob2> jamin_l: that page explains that too...
[11:40] <smitty> for instance bob2 ...a quote..Please note the consistent use of the term "audio CD". An audio CD is not necessarily a "music CD"!
[11:40] <bob2> smitty: I don't know what your question is, you haven't explained what isn't working
[11:40] <jamin_l> flashplugin-nonfree
[11:41] <smitty> ok...now what does that quote mean?
[11:41] <bob2> smitty: er, of course...data and audio cds are different cd formats
[11:41] <bob2> jamin_l: please just read the wiki page
[11:41] <bob2> jamin_l: it explains all this
[11:41] <bob2> BockBilbo: I don't know what that is.  if you mean 'wireless drivers', then make sure you have linux-restricted-modules for your kernel installed.
[11:41] <BockBilbo> no, it isnt that
[11:42] <smitty> well I'm trying to burn an audio cd bob2 and I can't get past the comand to burn to disk
[11:42] <ubuntu> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse is that line enough to switch to hoary?
[11:42] <bob2> ubuntu: no
[11:42] <bob2> no0tic: you need 'main' in there before universe
[11:42] <BockBilbo> the wireless toolkit is a package to be able to use wifi cards, its the package that includes iwconfig, an app similar to ifconfig, to configure the wireless card
 OMG is that a ubuntu cd in today vedio clip of Bill Gates speaking at CES
[11:42] <bob2> and probably 'restricted', too
[11:42] <smitty> i know i can burn a data cd great...i've done it
[11:42] <bob2> HostingGeek: please stop it
 i am sure that says ubuntu
[11:43] <HostingGeek> bob2: i said it by mistake in #ubuntu-devel
[11:43] <HostingGeek> i ment here
[11:43] <bob2> HostingGeek: it doesn't matter, no one cares here either
[11:43] <bob2> BockBilbo: wireless-tools is avilable on hoary, too, and installed by default
[11:44] <BockBilbo> .. thats what i meant lol...
[11:44] <BockBilbo> i got confused with the java wireless toolkit..
[11:44] <smitty> cdparanoina burns to my drive like a charm but I'm having problems with burning an audio disk
[11:44] <BockBilbo> lol
[11:44] <BockBilbo> :S
[11:44] <jamin_l> grr still nothing
[11:44] <bob2> smitty: I still don't get what you think the problem
[11:44] <bob2> is
[11:44] <BockBilbo> ok
[11:44] <bob2> smitty: are you asking 'How do I burn an audio cd?'?
[11:44] <BockBilbo> ill come back later
[11:44] <BockBilbo> gonna try doing the dist upgrade
[11:44] <no0tic> bob2: You was talking with me?
[11:45] <BockBilbo> thanks bob2
[11:45] <bob2> I was?
[11:45] <BockBilbo> bye!
[11:45] <bob2> BockBilbo: good luck
[11:45] <BockBilbo> :)
[11:45] <no0tic> bob2: ehm, probably were
[11:45] <smitty> yes bob2 and I'm already at the wiki
[11:45] <bob2> smitty: ok.  'sudo cdparanoia dev=/dev/cdrom -audio *.wav' should be enough.
[11:45] <no0tic> bob2: <bob2> no0tic: you need 'main' in there before universe
[11:46] <bob2> oh, sorry
[11:46] <no0tic> bob2: few lines above ;)
[11:46] <bob2> ubuntu: you mean 'main' in there before universe
[11:46] <no0tic> bob2: the mistic autocompletion feature that made meet two spirits ;)
[11:47] <bob2> heh
[11:47] <bob2> I'm not even sure how U hit 'n' instead of 'u' there.
[11:48] <smitty> bob2 do I need to make any adjustments to what you typed? such as the cd drive?
[11:48] <no0tic> bob2: ehe
[11:48] <bob2> should just work
[11:50] <smitty> it's not
[11:50] <smitty> Don't forget to protect square brackets and preceeding hyphens from
[11:50] <smitty> the shell...
[11:50] <bob2> ok, that doesn't matter
[11:51] <bob2> in what way is it not working?
[11:54] <smitty> ok...it tells me it's an invalid option and once again says some shit about bugs
[11:55] <bob2> ok, again, that isn't helpful
[11:55] <bob2> I can't see your screen
[11:55] <bob2> paste the whole error, including the command you typed into #flood
[11:58] <smitty> cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler
[11:58] <smitty> cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority().
[11:58] <smitty> cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns.
[11:58] <smitty> scsidev: '/dev/cdrom'
[11:58] <smitty> devname: '/dev/cdrom'
[11:58] <smitty> scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
[11:58] <smitty> Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.
[11:58] <smitty> Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27
[11:58] <smitty> Using libscg version 'ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1'.
[11:58] <smitty> cdrecord: Warning: using unofficial version of libscg (ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1 '@(#)scsitransp.c      1.90 04/01/14 Copyright 1988,1995,2000-2004 J. Schilling').
[11:58] <smitty> Device type    : Removable CD-ROM
[11:58] <smitty> Version        : 0
[11:58] <smitty> Response Format: 1
[11:58] <smitty> Vendor_info    : 'LITE-ON '
[11:58] <smitty> Identifikation : 'LTR-12101B      '
[11:58] <smitty> Revision       : 'LS39'
[11:59] <smitty> Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
[11:59] <smitty> Using generic SCSI-3/mmc   CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr).
[11:59] <smitty> Driver flags   : MMC SWABAUDIO BURNFREE
[11:59] <smitty> Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R96P RAW/R96R
[11:59] <smitty> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '2'.
[11:59] <smitty> roger@rogers:~ $ sudo cdparanoia dev=/dev/cdrom -audio *.wav
[11:59] <smitty> cdparanoia: invalid option -- u
[11:59] <smitty> cdparanoia III release 9.8 (March 23, 2001)
[11:59] <smitty> (C) 2001 Monty <monty@xiph.org> and Xiphophorus
[11:59] <bob2> dude
[11:59] <bob2> in #flood, not in here
[11:59] <bob2> and you didn't run the command I gave you
[12:00] <bob2> wait, my mistaked
[12:00] <bob2> sorry
[12:01] <bob2> 'sudo cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom -audio *.wav'.  but do not paste things in here again
[12:01] <smitty> sorry
[12:02] <smitty> i didn't know how to get to flood
[12:02] <techn9ne> /j #flood
[12:02] <no0tic> smitty: /join #flood
[12:03] <someonestolemyni> yoyoyoyoyo
[12:03] <techn9ne> is it possible to burn dvd's w/ cdrecord?
[12:03] <jamin_l> there's so much good stuff to browse through in SPM
[12:03] <someonestolemyni> its sad the only messages i get are from nickserv :(
[12:03] <bob2> jamin_l: 'SPM'?
[12:03] <jamin_l> Synaptic Package Manager
[12:04] <bob2> ah
[12:04] <HostingGeek> bob2: but #flood fwd here ;)
[12:04] <jamin_l> it's a good way to kill time while waiting for the time to take my pill :P
[12:05] <jamin_l> me braindead... what's the GUI client Ubuntu uses by default? KDE or Gnome?
[12:05] <bob2> the desktop environment is GNOME.
[12:06] <smitty> thanks..i made it to flood safely.
[12:06] <jamin_l> ok.. i know KDE exists... i couldn't remember which one this uses
[12:06] <no0tic> someonestolemyni: if someone stole you nick and you are a registered user you can kick him away
[12:06] <jamin_l> the problem with having used RH FC2 before & choosing between desktop environments
[12:06] <HostingGeek> jamesh: ubuntu == gnome | kubuntu == kde
[12:06] <techn9ne> kde is flashy, shiny, bouncy
[12:07] <jamin_l> thanks Hosting
[12:07] <techn9ne> gnome is simple & clean
[12:07] <HostingGeek> jamin_l:  ubuntu == gnome | kubuntu == kde
[12:08] <HostingGeek> kde is tring to copy windows but with out the windows look
[12:08] <HostingGeek> gnome is trying to be idiot proof
[12:08] <techn9ne> i think they're trying to copy osx
[12:08] <jamin_l> hrm... is there a way to put shortcuts in the Applications "start menu" thingie?
[12:08] <jamin_l> our sys tray is getting full of shortcuts as it is
[12:08] <dud>  /usr/share/applications/
[12:09] <techn9ne> nautilus :///applications
[12:09] <techn9ne> i think
[12:09] <jamin_l> how does one go about creating a shortcut anyhow?
[12:09] <bob2> smitty: you need to include the line where you typed the command, too
[12:10] <bob2> also, it just looks like the wavs are dude
[12:10] <bob2> jamin_l: applications:/// in nautilus
[12:11] <jamin_l> ok lol ... i managed to go to /usr/share/applications... how are shortcuts created?
[12:11] <dud> creating them by hand might be a bit more for the power user :) just do as bob2 said
[12:11] <dud> much easier
[12:12] <jamin_l> i don't know where nautilius is
[12:12] <techn9ne> i dont know what they're taking about... type this into command prompt
[12:12] <techn9ne> nautilus applications:///
[12:12] <techn9ne> right cik
[12:12] <techn9ne> create launcher
[12:13] <smitty> bob2 thanks for the help but i'm giving up. ..least for tonight. I'm not going to figure this our by myself and I'm not going to figure it out here.
[12:14] <Qo-noS> jamin_l: nautilus is your file manager in GNOME
[12:14] <techn9ne> he doesnt know / care what nautilus is 'cause it doesnt say 'nautilus' any where
[12:14] <bob2> smitty: ok
[12:14] <techn9ne> the only way you know you're using it is if you go Help->about
[12:15] <Qo-noS> tech9ne: *sigh*
[12:15] <no0tic> I've a problem with ntpdate: if I launch it manually it works fine, but during boot it fails
[12:15] <jamin_l> ok... that makes sense know that i know file manager = nautilus
[12:16] <techn9ne> every single window that shows directories or trash or whatever is nautilus
[12:16] <techn9ne> and the cd burning thing is nautilus too
[12:16] <techn9ne> but i think thats sorta ilrelevant
[12:16] <jamin_l> okay so the equivalent of Windows Explorer to Windows
[12:16] <techn9ne> sorta
[12:16] <techn9ne> yes
[12:17] <techn9ne> same purpose but functions differently
[12:17] <Vaportrail> Is it possible to rename the gnome menu itself? Applications and Computer, I want to delete the label: Applications, the gnome-icons suffices me
[12:21] <AndyFitz> anyone running scribus under fc3 ?
[12:21] <Xof> what is expected to break in hoary if the system locale is converted from iso-8859 to utf-8?
[12:21] <Xof> sorry, I mean warty
[12:21] <Xof> stable
[12:21] <scizzo> AndyFitz: fc3?
[12:22] <scizzo> AndyFitz: if you are asking about fedora core 3 here then you might want to try #redhat
[12:23] <techn9ne> or #fedora
[12:26] <jamin_l> SUCCESS! got that darned Java working!
[12:26] <techn9ne> cool
[12:27] <techn9ne> java's one of the harder things to setup
[12:27] <jamin_l> ood
[12:27] <mz2> i have to disagree with that
[12:27] <jamin_l> good then i'm glad i got it working
[12:27] <julien_> hi
[12:27] <techn9ne> mz2: for a newbie....
[12:27] <mz2> just download the j2se 5 .deb
[12:27] <jamin_l> my hubby who has more experience with Linux & is a programming geek was getting very frustrated with it
[12:27] <techn9ne> you can get java via apt-get ?
[12:27] <julien_> Since today, my ipw2200 wifi card doesn't work anymore.
[12:27] <julien_> It doesn't appear in network-admin
[12:28] <techn9ne> jamin_l: have you seen www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[12:28] <jamin_l> i have a spare network card my computer isn't using :)
[12:28] <jamin_l> yes
[12:28] <julien_> and sudo ifup eth1 gives: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
[12:28] <mz2> yup, lemme see where it was again... i was really surprised too, after reading the howto from ubuntuguide, but yes, there's a deb of it
[12:28] <jamin_l> we're becoming good friends, tech
[12:28] <HostingGeek> Is anyone intrested to see ubuntu in shops?
[12:28] <HostingGeek> preinstall on computers
[12:28] <jamin_l> no not in shops but in computer repair stores
[12:28] <julien_> Please can anyone point me to how to configure a wireless card on Ubuntu ?
[12:29] <techn9ne> what type?
[12:29] <HostingGeek> daniels: here?
[12:29] <jamin_l> ok brb - have to go get my pills :)
[12:29] <julien_> Intel Centrino ipw2200
[12:29] <techn9ne> wireless + linux = not so great
[12:29] <techn9ne> ummm i dunno 'bout the centrino's..
[12:29] <HostingGeek> techn9ne: NOT TRUE
[12:29] <julien_> techn9ne: it was working perfectly until today...
[12:29] <mz2> julien, quite depends on the card if it's easy or not
[12:29] <HostingGeek> techn9ne: windows + wireless == nightmare
[12:30] <techn9ne> ???
[12:30] <techn9ne> in what way
[12:30] <HostingGeek> techn9ne: linux + wireless == out of order
[12:30] <mz2> oh, centrino, okay
[12:30] <julien_> mz2, techn9ne: what's really strange is that it just stopped working from yesterday and today. Is there a way to diagnostic the cause of it ?
[12:30] <HostingGeek> techn9ne: try and get wireless to work in windows and it still being safe?
[12:30] <techn9ne> umm just setup encryption
[12:31] <techn9ne> i dont know why it would be any more or less safe w/ linux
[12:31] <HostingGeek> HAHAHAHA
[12:31] <jamin_l> probably les safe with Windows
[12:31] <HostingGeek> do you ever read slashdot comments?
[12:31] <HostingGeek> jamin_l: PROBBLY? it is
[12:31] <jamin_l> i mean a computer in Windows is vulnerable to attack in the first 2 mins of it being online
[12:31] <scizzo> HostingGeek: you are actually listening to comments on slashdot?
[12:31] <jamin_l> yea blah... i just had to go over next door and fix their computer
[12:32] <techn9ne> are you rerferring to wireless and windows or windows in general?
[12:32] <techn9ne> any operating system can be either secure or insecure depending on the admin.
[12:32] <arago> hi all. Where i can change the icon's size ?
[12:32] <scizzo> people only complain at slashdot...
[12:32] <HostingGeek> scizzo: i read them i post them i get modded +1 funny 10 times and modded -1 11times...
[12:32] <jamin_l> i installed software firewall, antivirus, and SpyBot before this happed and they had a Trojan running about
[12:32] <scizzo> the only good parts with slashdot is the actual news
[12:32] <jamin_l> darned 12 year old girl insists on using the real MSN Messenger to chat with her friends so she can use the games that come with the MSN Messenger program
[12:33] <jamin_l> i would give anything to take the computer over to my place chuck on Ubuntu and throw it back at her
[12:33] <HostingGeek> currently slashdot posts news which is 3 years old and has been posted 3 years ago
[12:33] <techn9ne> i refuse to use wireless beacuse i believe its inheriently insecure
[12:33] <jamin_l> i already managed to convert the dad to Linux (and he basically is your standard uninformed computer user)
[12:33] <HostingGeek> techn9ne: wimax is not
[12:34] <techn9ne> i dont care if its running on openbsd
[12:34] <scizzo> well the comments IMHO are really stupid to read most of the time...all people do is complain
[12:34] <scizzo> nothing else
[12:34] <julien_> Please, anyone here can help me ?
[12:34] <scizzo> julien_: is the card found etc in dmesg?
[12:35] <HostingGeek> scizzo: ummm i see 10  comment here that are not complains
[12:35] <scizzo> julien_: have you looked at the syslog if there might be more information there?
[12:35] <bungle> question: I have an 8port switch, what is something which I can plug into 1 of the ports to make a wireless network
[12:35] <scizzo> HostingGeek: then you should look when we announce a new version of GIMP
[12:35] <jayakumar2> bungle, yes, an AP in bridge mode or adhoc
[12:35] <scizzo> HostingGeek: out of 100 comments...10 of those are nice ones
[12:35] <bungle> an AP ?
[12:35] <jamin_l> well i should head off to bed... i'll tackle my iPod issue in the morning or another time... how I'll make it through 8 hours at work without iPoddy is another question altogether
[12:35] <bungle> aport
[12:35] <bungle> air
[12:36] <jayakumar2> bungle, wireless access point
[12:36] <jayakumar2> bungle, i think dlink and linksys both sell bridge capable access points
[12:36] <HostingGeek> scizzo: WTF 10 out of 10 visable ones
[12:36] <julien_> scizzo: my card is found in dmesg: ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 0.11
[12:36] <julien_> ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2004 Intel Corporation
[12:36] <bungle> so any wireless acess point should just plug into a switch
[12:36] <bungle> dlink yes I was just looking at them then
[12:36] <scizzo> julien_: hmmm...
[12:36] <julien_> scizzo: how can I check the syslog ?
[12:37] <julien_> scizzo: which file is it ?
[12:37] <scizzo> julien_: more /var/log/syslog
[12:37] <HostingGeek> scizzo: now can we cont. this on the offical #slashdot channel on irc.slashdot.org
[12:37] <julien_> scizzo: oh wait ! I found that in dmesg:
[12:37] <julien_> ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection
[12:37] <julien_> ipw2200: ipw2200_boot.fw load failed
[12:37] <julien_> ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: 0xFFFFFFFE
[12:37] <julien_> ipw2200: failed to register network device
[12:37] <julien_> ipw2200: probe of 0000:01:0d.0 failed with error -5
[12:37] <jayakumar2> bungle, in my setup, i have two rooms with normal switches. each room has an AP. one AP is set to normal router/wap. the other is set to bridge mode. this is how i have my wireless network
[12:38] <scizzo> HostingGeek: no thanks....I don't have anything against /. only the comments that are done at /.
[12:38] <bungle> http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=292 << one of those would od it hey???
[12:39] <scizzo> julien_: hmm...did you do any upgrades or something before it stoped working?
[12:39] <bungle> bridge mode
[12:39] <bungle> hrm once I fond something I'll have to sus out all out so I undertand it properly
[12:40] <jayakumar2> bungle, yeah, they list bridge mode in their product features so it should do the trick
[12:40] <julien_> scizzo: I'm running hoary, and I upgrade it daily, so I guess I did.
[12:40] <julien_> scizzo: but I'm not sure which packages I updated...
[12:41] <bungle> ok n dlink have a usb lan adapter which should plug into my g3
[12:41] <bungle> considering thwy dont ake airport cards anymore ... n it's cheaper to buy a new usb thing rather than a 2nd hand airport card
[12:42] <scizzo> julien_: I am not completely sure what happened
[12:42] <scizzo> julien_: but those errors aren't (In my eyes) good
[12:42] <scizzo> it finds the card but can't load things completely
[12:43] <bungle> http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=175 <, n one of those
[12:44] <bungle> then I should have my network setup all wikid
[12:44] <julien_> OK, I'll try to find a new firmware, and see what it does...
[12:44] <julien_> Thanks
[12:47] <arago> hi all. Where i can change the desktop icon's size ?
[12:48] <seb128> in the nautilus properties, but that's the same size as for nautilus
[12:48] <seb128> or you can right click on them to resize an icon
[12:50] <arago> seb128, thanks... I was looking for size but in nautilus call it with zoom ... but it's just what i need :)
[12:53] <arago> uh seb128 u know where gnome associate the file type with application ? I use gmplayer becouse totem dosn't work at all ... but a dbl click open totem ...
[12:53] <hikaru79> I have a Windows-formatted floppy disk that I simply *MUST* access from Linux... is there any software that allows you to read windows-formatted floppies? x_x
[12:53] <arago> hikaru79, just mount your floppy
[12:53] <mjg59> hikaru79: It should just work
[12:53] <seb128> arago: totem works fine (totem-xine)
[12:54] <arago> not for my laptop (i think it's i810 vga card)
[12:54] <hikaru79> It says "Could not determine filesystem type" =S
[12:54] <seb128> arago: if that's a video driver issue mplayer will not work better
[12:54] <seb128> arago: BTW right click in nautilus on a file with the mimetype you want to change, properties, "open with" tab and pick the default here
[12:55] <arago> seb128, if i play some divx or avi with totem i got a blue screen or black. Sometimes i got image in the left part of screen
[12:55] <arago> with gmplayer i see just fine.
[12:55] <arago> thanks for the nautilus tip)
[12:56] <seb128> perhaps that's an option to pass to the video driver :)
[12:56] <arago> i googled a while but don't find nothing
[12:57] <MM2> Can ubuntu be installed directly from USB memory stick?
[12:57] <MM2> in some minimal way?
[12:57] <arago> seb128, and i'm not sure it's a video driver issue.
[12:58] <seb128> arago: totem doesn't do the rendering, it uses the video driver, that's a xfree issue
[12:59] <mjr> arago, hm, tried quitting totem and restarting?
[12:59] <arago> seb128, gmplayer does the rendering ? if not why gmplayer works ?
[01:00] <mjr> with some video drivers there was that kind of a problem with the XVideo system
[01:00] <arago> mjr, at least 4 time a day i restart ... :(
[01:00] <seb128> arago: probably because it doesn't use the same output .. do you use the xv extension ?
[01:00] <arago> in totem ?
[01:00] <seb128> both
[01:00] <seb128> what output in totem and gmplayer ?
[01:00] <mjr> gmplayer might just use even XVideo a bit differently without triggering the bu
[01:00] <mjr> g
[01:01] <arago> totem blue or black screen video
[01:01] <arago> gmplayer just the video ...
[01:03] <seb128> arago: all the totem options are in ~/.gnome2/totem_config and you have a gconf key /apps/totem/debug
[01:03] <arago> wait i connect the usb disk and try some video with both player and xv ... if i find where is it
[01:03] <seb128> BTW I've to go for lunch, later
[01:03] <arago> bye seb128
[01:10] <arago> noway, totem show two black lines with a dark blue and no image
[01:46] <gioeleb> hi
[01:47] <pakk\e> howdy
 can anyone ping this server 72.21.43.202
[01:47] <pdkl> hi!
[01:48] <no0tic> HostingGeek: yes
[01:48] <no0tic> HostingGeek: 64 bytes from 72.21.43.202: icmp_seq=2 ttl=45 time=199 ms
[01:49] <HostingGeek> i just want to know if its alive
[01:49] <no0tic> HostingGeek: you couldn't control by yourself?
[01:49] <BockBilbo> hey again
[01:49] <gioeleb> Will next ubuntu fully udev/hal-based? or there will still be init.d scripts around for net and other devices?
[01:50] <HostingGeek> no0tic: well the main backhual in australia firewalls off 79.* and now i now 72.*
[01:50] <HostingGeek> *know
[01:51] <no0tic> HostingGeek: what's bakhual?
[01:52] <HostingGeek> heh in other words the main connection link from australia to everywhere else like the usa
[01:58] <no0tic> HostingGeek: and it blocks any connection with 79.*?
[01:58] <no0tic> HostingGeek: why?
[01:58] <HostingGeek> no0tic: EVIL
[01:59] <HostingGeek> and now 72.*
[01:59] <no0tic> HostingGeek: and you australians can't do anything?
[01:59] <HostingGeek> use proxies
[01:59] <HostingGeek> hey there are good reason why its firewalled off
[02:00] <no0tic> HostingGeek: like?
[02:00] <bob2> er, I'm pretty sure cross-pacific transit aren't blocking random /8's
[02:00] <HostingGeek> it use to be a old private range
[02:01] <HostingGeek> bob2: you want proof
[02:01] <HostingGeek> savis network admin has emailed optus about it and i happened to get my server in the 79.* range
[02:01] <bob2> well, maybe, but 72/8 is ARIN netspace now
[02:01] <bob2> so I really really really really doubt it's being completely dropped
[02:03] <HostingGeek> well its still firewalled off and i can give you access to 2 servers in that ip range right now to mess with and test it your self
[02:04] <bob2> 64 bytes from 72.21.43.202: icmp_seq=2 ttl=45 time=219 ms
[02:04] <bob2> someone's lying to you.
[02:04] <bob2> I can ping it fine from two different machines in .au
[02:04] <bob2> and two different ones outside .au
[02:07] <CdC> I have just installed ubuntu om my laptop. looks great, but the network is not working anymore, and the network configuration tool is not able to fix it. I'm behind a firewall and the network uses DHCP
[02:08] <CdC> any tip on how to solve the problem?
[02:08] <zenrox> CdC, wifi
[02:08] <CdC> nope
[02:08] <zenrox> ??
[02:08] <CdC> regular lan
[02:08] <zenrox> hmm
[02:08] <zenrox> ubuntu should detect the dhcp
[02:09] <CdC> and it said so during the install, but now it's dead
[02:09] <zenrox> hmm
[02:09] <zenrox> can you make it a static ip
[02:09] <zenrox> ?
[02:09] <CdC> nope, not allowed (with unsupportet OS) on the network
[02:10] <bob2> what doesn't work?
[02:10] <bob2> you can't get a dhcp lease?
[02:10] <CdC> DHCP
[02:10] <CdC> the configuration tool see the network card, but I can not activate it
[02:11] <CdC> it worked perfectly before (with fedora)
[02:11] <zenrox> and during the install right?
[02:12] <CdC> I dunno, I don't think I downloaded anything during the install... but during the installation the interface was reported OK
[02:12] <bob2> so it associates but you can't get a lease?
[02:12] <zenrox> so then it worked during the install
[02:13] <CdC> bob2: yes, guess so
[02:13] <CdC> zenox: yes
[02:13] <CdC> zenrox
[02:13] <zenrox> hmm that odd
[02:13] <CdC> sorry :-)
[02:13] <CdC> youp
[02:14] <CdC> I'll hava a look in the /etc/network/interfaces files to see what it says...
[02:20] <CdC> gave me no clue... just that the card seems to be configurated for dhcp
[02:25] <HostingGeek> bob2: then you bw is not from optus
[02:26] <HostingGeek> bob2: you want access to 1 server in the 72.range? i got access to one now and can get you access to some other later
[02:26] <bob2> 22:50:43    HostingGeek |  no0tic: well the main backhual in australia firewalls off 79.* and now i now 72.*
[02:26] <HostingGeek> you can do a tcptraceroute from that ip to see it ends at optus
[02:27] <HostingGeek> yes the southerncross is the main provider which is mostly own by optus
[02:28] <HostingGeek> and my isp exetel.com.au get there bw from them and powertel (and powertel get it from optus -_-)
[02:29] <Guardiann> good morning people
[02:29] <bob2> anyway
[02:40] <CdC> dhclient -p eth0 did the trix
[02:40] <CdC> I stil don't understand why it didn't work in the first place...
[02:41] <lerio> hi everybody! there are 3 bugs on my hoary. who wants to help me understand/resolve those problems? ;)
[02:41] <souki> CdC: I had the same problem
[02:42] <CdC> do you have to run this command every time you boot to start the network?
[02:42] <CdC> or does it just magically work now?
[02:42] <souki> CdC: no, I set it under gnome
[02:43] <CdC> how?
[02:43] <GeBo> CdC: Do you have more than one networkinterface?
[02:43] <CdC> node, just one
[02:43] <GeBo> strange...
[02:44] <CdC> yes really strange
[02:44] <CdC> first time I see anything like this, all other distros I've tried on the box have worked out of the box
[02:45] <Guardiann> cdc your using warty right
[02:45] <GeBo> I never have that problem in Ubuntu
[02:45] <CdC> Guardiann: yes
[02:45] <GeBo> And I installed it like 4 times
[02:46] <Guardiann> yeah mine worked great right from the start
[02:46] <GeBo> mine too
[02:46] <souki> CdC: I had the same prob, live-cd ok with network, but first boot no network
[02:46] <GeBo> I've tried Hoary for a few weeks, came screeming back to Warty
[02:47] <souki> CdC: did you try to set the network under gnome ?
[02:47] <Guardiann> GeBo problems i take it
[02:47] <GeBo> yep
[02:47] <Guardiann> :)
[02:47] <GeBo> dependency sh*t andso
[02:48] <GeBo> lerio: what problems do you have?
[02:49] <HostingGeek> everyone we will soon see nvu packages hopefully in universe
[02:49] <LeChux> Got problem with getting Ubuntu to boot on my laptop. I have'nt installed it and it seems like I can't use my cd-drive to boot from. So I guess that I need a ubuntu boot floppy.. But can I do it from windows?
[02:49] <GeBo> Ow, btw, today I found out how to be able to use the Print Screen key
[02:49] <aaroncuk> hey guys.  anyone got any clues what version of skype i need for ubuntu
[02:50] <GeBo> aaroncuk: just use the latest
[02:50] <aaroncuk> http://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/
[02:50] <GeBo> they work for me
[02:50] <aaroncuk> its got loads of versions, im a newbie and dont know which lol
[02:50] <GeBo> use the tar.gz
[02:50] <aaroncuk> theres a tar.bz2?
[02:50] <tritium> GeBo, what dependency problems did you have?
[02:51] <GeBo> aaroncuk: sorry, that one yes
[02:51] <CdC> souki: nope, I just used the defoult network setup tool from the menu
[02:51] <souki> aaroncuk: dynamic tar bz2 (qt-3.2) works for me on a warty
[02:52] <GeBo> aaroncuk: you can extract it with Nautilus, where you want and start by clicking on the appropriate icon
[02:52] <CdC> I'm just worried that I have to add something somewhere to have the network working next time I boot the computer
[02:52] <GeBo> tritium: sorry, too long ago ;)
[02:53] <tritium> GeBo, okay.  Wish we could have helped...
[02:53] <aaroncuk> cool will do that now, thanks guys
[02:53] <LeChux> Can I make a "boot floopy" for ubuntu using windows?
[02:53] <GeBo> but lerio got 3 bugs he wishes to tackle
[02:53] <GeBo> aaroncuk: succes
[02:55] <tritium> lerio, tell us what your 3 problems are
[02:55] <GeBo> LeChux: what kind of floppy do you wish to make?
[02:56] <LeChux> Gebo: A floopy that starts the install of ubuntu or something
[02:56] <dud> theres a floppy/network install guide on the wiki i think
[02:56] <aaroncuk> right ive extracted it lol.. and i cant get passed there
[02:56] <LeChux> dud: But it dosent say anything about making them in windows, i think
[02:57] <dud> download rawrite
[02:57] <souki> aaroncuk: do you have libqt-3.2 ?
[02:57] <dud> assuming its a floppy image...
[02:57] <GeBo> LeChux: can't you just download the iso?
[02:57] <LeChux> GeBo: iso? :/ sry, newbie
[02:58] <souki> aaroncuk: did you try to launch ./skype on a console ?
[02:58] <GeBo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[02:58] <LeChux> GeBo: Ow, that ISO. But I got that CD. But I can't launch it
[02:59] <GeBo> LeChux: maybe you need to adjust the Bios, so your computer can start from a CD
[02:59] <dud> also, make sure you didnt just write the iso file itself to a cd, but as an actual iso image
[03:00] <GeBo> good point
[03:00] <aaroncuk> no souki..will try now
[03:00] <LeChux> GeBo: I've tried. But it dosen't work... I don't know why... Think there's something wrong with my bios
[03:00] <souki> aaroncuk: I remeber now, I've installed libqt3c102-mt
[03:00] <tritium> LeChux, how old is the computer?
[03:00] <LeChux> dud: Yeah.. But I got the "original"-cd sent to me.
[03:01] <dud> ah, ok
[03:01] <LeChux> tritium: Hrm.. Like 1999 I think... And old laptop
[03:01] <LeChux> I got it for free
[03:01] <LeChux> -d
[03:01] <tritium> I suppose that's old enough that it may not be able to boot from CD.
[03:01] <GeBo> 1999: should not be a problem, i think
[03:01] <dud> gnome might be slow on an 1999'ish laptop
[03:02] <tritium> Almost all modern BIOSes can, though.
[03:03] <LeChux> And therefor.. I thought there maybe is an bootfloppy-thingie that makes me able to boot from a CD
[03:03] <dud> well, if i were you, id get rawrite and make a floppy image
[03:03] <dud> then try booting with that
[03:04] <LeChux> dud: I'll sure try that :) Thank you
[03:04] <dud> just be prepared to download like, 500MB or more from the internet heh
[03:05] <GeBo> But the advantage is, you don't need to upgrade :P
[03:05] <dud> true hehe
[03:05] <LeChux> But why would I need to download stuff?
[03:06] <dud> with 4.10 warty, the first time you run upgrade it fetches like 250MB anyhow
[03:06] <LeChux> Ow.. Ok :P
[03:06] <dud> because a small floppy can only take 1,44MB... and there's no way you can fit a fully graphical and functional linux distrobution on that
[03:06] <GeBo> dud: where can rawrite be downloaded? Is there a special version for Warty?
[03:07] <HostingGeek> This is impossible
[03:07] <LeChux> No, I understand that :P But I already got that free ubuntu cd
[03:07] <HostingGeek> MY system crashed
[03:07] <HostingGeek> but thats because my cpu got tooooooo hot
[03:07] <dud> rawrite should be easily found through google id imagine
[03:08] <GeBo> LeChux: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=271262
[03:08] <dud> http://www.tavi.co.uk/os2pages/rawrite.html for instance
[03:09] <LeChux> GeBo: Thank you so much... sry to bother you :\
[03:10] <GeBo> dud: but where do you get the content for that disk?
[03:11] <GeBo> (the image)
[03:12] <dud> GeBo, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[03:13] <GeBo> LeChux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/SmartBootManagerHowto/
[03:13] <GeBo> dud: thanks
[03:14] <LeChux> Thanks GeBo and dud :)
[03:14] <djtansey> does anyone know what "Current sda: sense key No Sense" in dmesg means? i'm getting it a lot while using my external usb drive (also having problems mounting my ext3 as a ext3. have to do ext2. dmesg complains "EXT3-fs: journal inode is deleted.") any guesses?
[03:16] <dud> is it even possible to mount a ext3 partition as ext2?
[03:16] <dud> id imagine that would fuck up the whole file allocation table...
[03:17] <GeBo> i think so too
[03:17] <GeBo> the journaling is required, I think
[03:17] <GeBo> (in EXT3 that is)
[03:17] <dud> yeah, but the fundamentals are totally different too afaik
[03:18] <dud> i cant imagine its possible to force that...
[03:18] <GeBo> I would NOT write on that disk, if I were you
[03:18] <GeBo> EXT3 = EXT2 with journaling system
[03:19] <GeBo> So, I don't think it's fundamentally different
[03:20] <GeBo> djtansey: (my guess) maybe you can mount an EXT3 fs as a EXT2, but probably only as read-only.
[03:21] <GeBo> and mayby that causes the problem with sda too
[03:23] <St0n3-C0l> can i add debian soures in Synaptic ??
[03:23] <froust> St0n3-C0l: how do you mean?
[03:24] <St0n3-C0l> froust: I mean there are some old versions in Ubuntu's sources
[03:24] <froust> are you using warty or hoary?
[03:24] <St0n3-C0l> warty
[03:24] <froust> ahh
[03:24] <GeBo> St)n3-C0l: I would NOT suggest that. I've tried it once, and fucked up my system
[03:25] <St0n3-C0l> Using Debian-Based systems for first time
[03:25] <St0n3-C0l> GeBo: I am downloading latest gaim from debian.org :P
[03:25] <froust> St0n3-C0l: I upgraded to hoary last night and got all new software, but from what i remember, most of warty's stuff was pretty old
[03:25] <froust> you might consider going to hoary.
[03:26] <GeBo> St0n3-C0l: why don't you stick with universe multiverse?
[03:26] <GeBo> just to have the latest?
[03:26] <St0n3-C0l> In Synaptic ?
[03:26] <St0n3-C0l> I've enabled that
[03:26] <St0n3-C0l> too
[03:27] <Guardiann> froust isnt hoary still in testing and a little bit of trouble
[03:27] <froust> Guardiann: Yeah, hoary is the unstable one
[03:28] <froust> it seems fairly stable tho
[03:28] <Guardiann> yeah thats what I thought :)
[03:28] <Guardiann> really everything works??
[03:28] <HostingGeek> warty is frozzen
[03:28] <l0gistic> im missing some bluetooth files, bluetooth.h, hci.h and hci_lib.h, does anyone know where i could get them?
[03:28] <GeBo> froust: you just installed last night, and allready advising to install it?
[03:28] <froust> i just installed it last night, and haven't had any problems so far.
[03:28] <froust> GeBo: I"m not advising anything
[03:28] <HostingGeek> if you want newer files move to a non forzzen distro like hoary
[03:29] <froust> He asked how he can get the new software
[03:29] <froust> I told him that most of warty's stuff is out of date
[03:29] <GeBo> As I said earlier, I came screeming back from Hoary to Warty
[03:29] <froust> why?
[03:29] <GeBo> lots of dependency problems
[03:30] <froust> hrm.
[03:30] <GeBo> luckily no segmentation faults, but thats probably the power of a debian-based distro
[03:31] <GeBo> what I did like about Hoary, however, was Xorg... I would like to have that back...
[03:31] <froust> i'm fairly new to it... still getting used to everythign
[03:32] <GeBo> Well, for me it's some months ago, maybe they solved some issues
[03:33] <St0n3-C0l> Gebo: Now here Synaptic is showing xchat's latest version 2.0.8 :P
[03:33] <froust> I have an amd64 and it's working rather nicely with it
[03:33] <tseng> anyone know offhand if imap subscriptions are broken in hoary evo?
[03:34] <Guardiann> i will be back shortly :)
[03:34] <GeBo> l0gistic: I've used bluez in Fedora Core 2
[03:36] <GeBo> LOL, yeah, use the latest stuff!
[03:37] <froust> i don't know if i like the way ubuntu distributes software
[03:37] <GeBo> what?
[03:37] <GeBo> apt-get is THE way
[03:37] <froust> no no
[03:37] <froust> i like apt-get
[03:38] <froust> like how all warty's software is out of date
[03:38] <GeBo> What do you mean than?
[03:38] <froust> have to use unstable to get the new stuff
[03:38] <GeBo> ah so
[03:38] <GeBo> have you ever looked to Debian software?
[03:38] <GeBo> Than you're talking old
[03:38] <herman_> froust, i don't think its that much out of date
[03:38] <GeBo> my neither
[03:39] <dud> hmm, dist-upgrade broke my k3b install
[03:39] <dud> infact, it seems to have removed both k3blibs and k3b...
[03:41] <froust> meh... i'm liking ubuntu so far... the sudo thing takes some getting used to
[03:41] <GeBo> k3b... that I really missed in the beginning
[03:41] <froust> k3b = ?
[03:41] <GeBo> now using mkisofs and growisofs
[03:42] <randabis-wireles> cd writing software
[03:42] <froust> ahh
[03:42] <GeBo> k3b = burning software
[03:42] <froust> haven't tried burning cds yet
[03:42] <randabis-wireles> k3b is probably the closest thing to nero in linux
[03:42] <flodin> what do i need to do to get rhythmbox to accept mp3s?
[03:42] <GeBo> cdrecord cdrdao growisofs
[03:42] <flodin> it says the mp3 format is not supported when i try to load mp3s
[03:42] <randabis-wireles> gstreamer-mad
[03:42] <froust> and it doesn't work with ubuntu?
[03:42] <randabis-wireles> nah k3b works fine
[03:42] <GeBo> flodin: gstreamer-mad
[03:43] <flodin> ok installing, thanks
[03:43] <randabis-wireles> np
[03:43] <GeBo> oops, loo late
[03:43] <randabis-wireles> don't worry about it
[03:44] <GeBo> froust: sudo... I always use root terminal
[03:45] <froust> yeah, but i'm used to typing su -
[03:45] <froust> it's nothing major, just a little quirk
[03:45] <GeBo> in root terminal you can set a password for root ;)
[03:45] <GeBo> so you can use su -
[03:45] <flodin> hm it still says "There is no plugin installed to handle a MP3 file" after installing gstreamer-mad and restarting rhythmbox
[03:45] <sladen> or you can just use sudo!
[03:45] <GeBo> it should even be possible with sudo
[03:45] <GeBo> indeed
[03:45] <GeBo> :P
[03:46] <sladen> flodin: mp3 is nuff illegal, Ubuntu can't ship it by default
[03:46] <randabis-wireles> you don't even need to do that since there's already a root terminal launcher in applications
[03:46] <flodin> illegal? How so?
[03:47] <GeBo> flodin: did you install gstreamer0.8-mad? use that one
[03:47] <tritium> the codec is patented
[03:47] <froust> randabis-wireles: i know you can get to root
[03:47] <froust> it's just different :P
[03:47] <tritium> you have to pay royalties to use it
[03:47] <topyli> tritium: no you don't
[03:47] <flodin> tritium: well isn't it up to the guy who writes Mad to take care of any patent fees
[03:47] <wood1> Hi all , great to be back
[03:48] <randabis-wireles> welcome
[03:48] <topyli> tritium: you have to pay if you "make a device" which  creates mp3s
[03:48] <GeBo> Hi wood1
[03:48] <wood1> So Ubuntu own 3 majar awards
[03:48] <wood1> Hi
[03:48] <flodin> GeBo: ok, trying
[03:48] <GeBo> Arstechnica
[03:49] <topyli> wood1: which awards? "just working", "fixing debian" and what else ;)
[03:49] <GeBo> Well, when you live in the Netherlands, you don't care about legal or illegal
[03:49] <tritium> why not?
[03:50] <GeBo> you just don't :P
[03:50] <topyli> it runs deep in the culture :)
[03:50] <flodin> yay works
[03:50] <GeBo> :D
[03:50] <tritium> does that apply to U.N. resolutions, etc?
[03:50] <GeBo> flodin: congrats
[03:50] <froust> i want ati to release their damn linux driverws
[03:50] <GeBo> (c)
[03:51] <GeBo> froust: ahum look at the topic
[03:51] <GeBo> :P
[03:51] <neonx> hii =] 
[03:51] <froust> I'm in BitchX
[03:51] <froust> haven't quite figured out all the commands
[03:51] <neonx> somebody can help me.... well... i have a wifi card. but the driver not is in the pcmcia driver =p
[03:51] <dkg> hi!
[03:51] <neonx> how can i install it? i'm in livecd...
[03:52] <dkg> I've installed ubuntu.
[03:52] <dkg> afterwards windows.
[03:52] <froust> yay :0
[03:52] <topyli> GeBo: i don't think that qualifies as an "ati vs. nvidia flamewar"
[03:52] <dkg> now the bootloader is away.
[03:52] <dkg> how can I reactivate crux?
[03:52] <froust> if that's the topic, then i dont' think it does either
[03:52] <dkg> s/crux/grub/
[03:52] <froust> dkg: what did you install last? windows or linux?
[03:52] <dkg> I know how to do this with lilo. But I don't know how to do it with grub.
[03:52] <dkg> froust: windows of course.
[03:53] <dkg> froust: otherwise the mbr would be right :)
[03:53] <wood1> ars technica awards
[03:53] <topyli> dkg: man grub-install
[03:53] <froust> dkg: so your grub menu isn't showing up? or isn't showing the right choices?
[03:53] <wood1> My Ubuntu system is getting slower each passing day
[03:53] <neonx> ?
[03:53] <dkg> its not showing up.
[03:54] <froust> hrmm
[03:54] <froust> i know how to tweak the menu - i don't know how to make the rest of it work... mine showed up without any hitches after install - i just had to add windows to it
[03:54] <wood1> Can somebody tell me why there are now 2 Ubuntu-686 boot options in GRUB instead of just 1 ?
[03:54] <tritium> GeBo, your earlier statement is still bothering me
[03:54] <GeBo> topyli: i was just teasing
[03:55] <froust> wood1: you mean the recovery and normal?
[03:55] <flodin> tritium: laws aren't the same across all of the world. Actually, in europe, patents on software are still illegal
[03:55] <flodin> and i hope they remain that way
[03:55] <randabis-wireles> wood1, probably updated your kernel image
[03:55] <wood1> No with the recovery and normal, there are 4 options
[03:55] <randabis-wireles> it means you have 2 different kernels installed
[03:55] <tritium> flodin, he mentioned not caring about legality
[03:56] <wood1> Well there was only 1 option before
[03:56] <randabis-wireles> grub-update must have been run and found another kernel
[03:56] <topyli> GeBo: well see, i'm not too bright :)
[03:58] <wood1> Well how do I remove the same kernel from the system
[03:58] <wood1> It's the same kernel
[03:58] <GeBo> dkg: are you able to get into linux?
[03:59] <wood1> How can I remove the kernels from the GRUB menu and also from the system
[04:00] <GeBo> wood1: don't know. with apt-get remove?
[04:00] <froust> wood1: don't know about the kernels, but you can edit the menu in your /boot/grub/grub.conf
[04:00] <tritium> wood1, apt-get remove them, or dpkg deinstall or purge, or use synaptic
[04:01] <GeBo> froust: but when you install a new kernel, all the old ones also come back
[04:01] <Ear3ndil> hi
[04:01] <tritium> froust, don't edit your menu.lst.  uninstall the kernel packages, and update-grub will be run to change your menu
[04:02] <froust> Tritoch|L: didin't know that... the only think i knew was that he can manually change the menu
[04:02] <froust> tritium, rather
[04:02] <tritium> he can, but that will leave the kernels installed
[04:02] <froust> tritium: i know that - he'd have to remove the kernels another way
[04:03] <GeBo> I would go for apt-get remove
[04:03] <randabis-wireles> you can remove them from /boot if you are adventurous
[04:03] <froust> i would listen to what everyone else says
[04:03] <randabis-wireles> then remove their modules from /lib/modules
[04:04] <tritium> i like to purge all files
[04:04] <tritium> randabis-wireles, that would leave broken packages
[04:05] <GeBo> yes, as root, go to / and type rm -Rf *
[04:05] <skreet> Okay I have a problem. I installed XP on /dev/sdb1 (50.0GB NTFS) /dev/sdb2 is a 30 GB fat32 partition with NO os, /dev/sda is formatted entirely for ubuntu.  GRUB tried to boot (hd1,1) [the fat partition]  and fails. I set it to root (hd1,0) and it says partition type is unknown. Anyknow know what I should do? If i reinstall windows it's going to erase my bootloader than I'll have to reinstall ubuntu and be in the same boat... Any advise?
[04:05] <randabis-wireles> remove the broken ones :p
[04:05] <tritium> wood1, apt-get remove --purge
[04:05] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> HOW to set VPI and VCI in ubuntu?????
[04:05] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> please
[04:05] <tritium> then the package you want to remove
[04:05] <skreet> Nevermind
[04:06] <skreet> Winodws put the NTFS in a logical partition, it's sdb5 for no reason..
[04:06] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> don't use ntfs use fat which is linux compatible...
[04:06] <GeBo> skreet: ise rootnoverify (hd1,0)
[04:06] <GeBo> ise=use
[04:07] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> skreet: use fat which is linux compatible not ntfs!
[04:07] <randabis-wireles> ntfs is compatible...not completely, but it suffices
[04:07] <randabis-wireles> there's limited write support for it too
[04:07] <GeBo> ntfs is no problem to boot from
[04:08] <randabis-wireles> FAT is a crap FS anyway...I'd never use that
[04:08] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> gebo: Yes sure but you can't edit properly if anything fails....
[04:08] <GeBo> to boot Windows XP: rootnoverify (hd1,0) chainloader +1
[04:08] <GeBo> that's all that's needed
[04:08] <froust> what does the rootnoverify do?
[04:08] <randabis-wireles> I suppose it doesn't verify roo
[04:08] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> FAT is not a Crap... it has no known security bug while instead NTFS has (search google)
[04:08] <randabis-wireles> t
[04:08] <GeBo> not verifying filesystem :P
[04:09] <randabis-wireles> FAT fragments so easily and can become corrupted much easier than NTFS
[04:09] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> Well use what you want but Fat is opensourced while NTFS is secretly kept by Windows
[04:09] <skreet> GeBo, Okay, Also, windows put a logical, then calle dit partition 5 :\
[04:09] <GeBo> skreet: for me that worked everytime
[04:09] <skreet> FAT isnt opensourced
[04:09] <randabis-wireles> I don't use either
[04:09] <randabis-wireles> I'm native linux
[04:09] <skreet> It's just easily cracked.
[04:09] <skreet> NTFS is *secure*
[04:10] <skreet> It wouldent be secure if they told everyone how to use it. :D
[04:10] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> Fat is well known by linux (its not opensource sure)
[04:10] <randabis-wireles> mainly because it's older than dirt
[04:10] <skreet> Also, I cant have a 50 GB FAT partition ;)
[04:10] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> Never mind you use windows I bet!!!!!
[04:10] <tritium> skreet, use whichever FS you want.  It's your machine after all.
[04:10] <randabis-wireles> no...I don't...
[04:10] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> windows people ike the latest crap!!!
[04:11] <wezzer> http://vekkis.sytes.net/~wezzer/aibo.mov
[04:11] <randabis-wireles> don't be a zealot
[04:11] <BockBilbo> hello there again
[04:11] <wezzer> have you seen this?
[04:11] <randabis-wireles> windows has its uses, as does linux
[04:11] <froust> windows is nice for gaming
[04:11] <skreet> Haha.
[04:11] <froust> that's the only reason i have a windows partition.
[04:11] <randabis-wireles> yeah, but linux is getting better
[04:11] <skreet> "I r h8 wind0ze cuz it'z c00l to h4t eit!!"
[04:11] <GeBo> froust: me too :)
[04:12] <tritium> Yeah, but who has time for gaming?
[04:12] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> Well only one insolent windows user can say that fat is crap....!
[04:12] <skreet> I need windows for gaming actually, I prefer linux. But I woudlent recomend linux for many people.
[04:12] <skreet> FAT is crap.
[04:12] <skreet> Make it two.
[04:12] <randabis-wireles> I had a windows partition on the main box...I got rid of it finally
[04:12] <skreet> Windows is easy-to-use, so it's not *bad*
[04:12] <skreet> You either get features and confiuability or ease of use.
[04:12] <randabis-wireles> IRC, I said it is crap because it is technically inferior to journaling file systems such as NTFS, Ext3, Reiser, JFS, etc
[04:12] <skreet> There really isnt a meeting point.
[04:13] <randabis-wireles> that's why FAT is crap
[04:13] <skreet> Agreeds
[04:13] <skreet> Well I have to reboot and test this grub out
[04:13] <skreet> If it works, it's gaming time.
[04:13] <skreet> Thanks guys
[04:13] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> Surely FAt is inferior to ext2 but NTFS is unrecognized by linux and noone can say if it is better except microsoft!
 I'm native linux
[04:14] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> do you believe microsoft?
 I had a windows partition on the main box...I got rid of it finally
[04:14] <wood1> So just: apt-get remove linux-686 will do the trick
[04:14] <GeBo> ahum
[04:14] <crimsun> ntfs can be read reliably. ntfs can be written with captive.
[04:14] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> Anyway anyone nows hot to change VPI and VCI in ubuntu please?
[04:15] <zerok> hi there :-)
[04:15] <GeBo> wood1: i wouldn't do that
[04:15] <randabis-wireles> GeBo your point?
[04:15] <randabis-wireles> my laptop is native linux
[04:15] <zerok> stupid question: was python perhaps compiled without multithreading support in warty?
[04:15] <randabis-wireles> and my main box is finally
[04:15] <GeBo> you said: I am
[04:15] <randabis-wireles> well, I am
[04:15] <GeBo> not: My laptop is
[04:15] <wood1> Well I don't want 2 686 boot options in my GRUB menu and taking the disk space
[04:15] <tritium> wood1, only uninstall the kernels you don't want.  Be sure to leave yourself a working kernel installed.
[04:16] <randabis-wireles> GeBo, my main box is too...it used to run both, but now it doesn't
[04:16] <wood1> Well the problem is that the 2 Kernels are exactly the same !!!!!
[04:16] <crimsun> zerok: as in 'thread' or 'threading'?
[04:16] <tritium> wood1, the versions must be different
[04:16] <wood1> It is the same
[04:16] <tritium> wood1, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep linux
[04:16] <wood1> Well the test in the GRUB Menu is the same
[04:17] <tritium> look at the 3rd column
[04:17] <zerok> crimsun, well, threading.Thread seems to be blocking here
[04:17] <dud> argh
[04:17] <dud> "k3blibs: Depends on: libflac++2c102 but isnt installable"
[04:17] <dud> the joy
[04:17] <tritium> then apt-get remove a specific linux-image-
[04:17] <dud> to think that less than 6 hours ago my k3b was installed and working
[04:17] <tritium> but don't remove linux-686
[04:18] <neofeed> doth anyone have tha orinoco_cs module with tha scanning patch for kernel 2.6.10 ?
[04:18] <randabis-wireles> maybe incompatible repositories?
[04:18] <crimsun> dud: it simply needs to be recompiled against a versioned libflac-dev (>= 1.1.1-3)
[04:18] <tritium> neofeed, dost thou?
[04:18] <dud> crimsun, hmm? what does... please explain a bit closer
[04:19] <neofeed> tritium, why would I ask?
[04:19] <skreet> Okay that didnt work
[04:19] <skreet> Any other ideas?
[04:19] <kosmonautti> How to fix this problem: "powernow-k8: BIOS Error: numpst must be 1" ?
[04:19] <GeBo> skreet: it didn't work?
[04:19] <dud> crimsun, can i help with this? or is it in the workings atm?
[04:19] <St0n3-C0l> are there any Ubuntu softs sites like freshrpms.net for fc3 :p
[04:19] <skreet> GoBo: Nope :\
[04:19] <tritium> neofeed, I just liked your choice of words
[04:19] <skreet> Just sat there after selecting hte option..
[04:20] <skreet> It is wierd that I have sdb5 as my ntfs, then sdb2 as my fat..
[04:20] <neofeed> tritium, just read too much shakespear ...
[04:20] <wood1> tritium, there are so many kernels
[04:20] <GeBo> skreet: what are your exact commands to start Windows XP?
[04:20] <skreet> pulling thuem up now
[04:20] <neofeed> (my native language equals what they call german)
[04:20] <crimsun> dud: as part of the FLAC 1.1.0->1.1.1 transition, the soname was incremented because of major fixes and API change. Thus libflac++4 obsoletes libflac++2c102; libflac++4 needs libflac6, however, and libflac6 obsoletes and conflicts with libflac4.
[04:21] <skreet> title           Windows NT/2000/XP
[04:21] <skreet> rootnoverify    (hd1,4)
[04:21] <skreet> savedefault
[04:21] <skreet> makeactive
[04:21] <skreet> chainloader     +1
[04:21] <neofeed> GeBo, 1-800-WIN-XP
[04:21] <skreet> Youre missing some keys..
[04:21] <BockBilbo> bob2, you there?
[04:21] <bob2> yes.
[04:21] <GeBo> and have you tried rootnoverify (hd1,0)?
[04:21] <kosmonautti> Does anyone know what "CMOS Checksum bad" means, because it pops up every time I flash my comp's bios? After setting bios defaults and saving the message doesn't appear anymore.
[04:21] <BockBilbo> ive done the dist upgrade
[04:22] <skreet> hd1,0 doesnt exist..
[04:22] <BockBilbo> plus an upgrade
[04:22] <neofeed> kosmonautti, lets guess!
[04:22] <GeBo> skreet: must be
[04:22] <dud> crimsun, sorry,,, that just went right above my head hehe... ive been up too long i believe
[04:22] <tritium> neofeed, cool
[04:22] <crimsun> dud: you can do this: apt-get source k3blibs. Then edit debian/control, replacing the Build-Depends on "libflac-dev" with "libflac-dev (>= 1.1.1-3)". Then rebuild the deb.
[04:22] <neofeed> kosmonautti, what is a CMOS?
[04:22] <skreet> actually
[04:22] <froust> kosmonautti: your cmos battery might be going
[04:22] <skreet> it does.
[04:22] <dr_willis> i think it means the little bit of memory the bios settings are stored in are not 'set' right.
[04:22] <tritium> wood1, I know, that's why I had you list them all out
[04:22] <BockBilbo> but.. some packages havent been upgraded...
[04:22] <skreet> /dev/sdb1               2        6079    48821535    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[04:22] <skreet> /dev/sdb2   *        6080        9729    29318625    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[04:22] <skreet> /dev/sdb5               2        6079    48821503+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[04:22] <bob2> BockBilbo: that's ok
[04:22] <skreet> sdb1? is an 8 MB partition, should I be booting to that?!
[04:22] <wezzer> oh, my ubuntu cd's haven't arrived yet though I ordered 'em before December...
[04:22] <BockBilbo> such gnome, for example-..... so i dont have tthe new menus... for instance
[04:22] <tritium> wood1, because you need to be careful about which ones you remove
[04:22] <BockBilbo> :S
[04:22] <dr_willis> normally after flashing the bios yiou want to set it to defaults then  tweak them.
[04:22] <froust> it just means that it was expecting one thing and got another
[04:23] <BockBilbo> thats not right....
[04:23] <BockBilbo> is it?
[04:23] <bob2> BockBilbo: er, that's not normal
[04:23] <wood1> tritium, can I just remove all the kernels that I don't need and just use 1 of them
[04:23] <neofeed> kosmonautti, ohh c'mon, you gotta know that!
[04:23] <BockBilbo> lol...
[04:23] <froust> checksum = error checking
[04:23] <BockBilbo> and...
[04:23] <bob2> BockBilbo: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood please
[04:23] <BockBilbo> wow... hold on.. cause im using another pc...
[04:23] <kosmonautti> neofeed: Yeah I know what it means when the problem is real, but when it comes to this that it only happens after flashing?
[04:23] <tritium> wood1, yes, just be careful
[04:24] <nooobie> hi
[04:24] <neofeed> kosmonautti, okay I tell you: CMOS stands for Complementary Metal-Oxide-Semiconductor.
[04:24] <randabis-wireles> yeah don't go removing the kernel you are using :p
[04:24] <froust> kosmonautti: i imagine that it would be because it is expecting the old bios and gets the new one
[04:24] <skreet> GeBo, Any other ideas? Should I be booting to taht 8MB parititon? I think the NTFS is in a logical partition, is that bad?
[04:24] <froust> if it doesn't happen normally, then don't worry about it
[04:24] <nooobie> does anyone know when will be the next release date for unbuntu?
[04:24] <neofeed> kosmonautti, now what does that tell us? Not much. But this: In computing the term CMOS is often used to mean the non-volatile memory that stores motherboard BIOS information. This was called the CMOS RAM or just the CMOS because it usually used a low-power CMOS memory chip, powered by a small battery. The term remains common but has become a misnomer as nearly all modern computer components except the "CMOS memory" are constructed in CMOS tec
[04:24] <neofeed> hnology. For the "CMOS", in modern computers, flash memory is usually employed.
[04:24] <neofeed> [source: wikipedia] 
[04:25] <kosmonautti> neofeed :D
[04:25] <GeBo> skreet: that 8 MB i think, is a swap partition, or something like that...
[04:25] <nooobie> i'm trying to download ubuntu..but maybe i'll wait until next release..
[04:25] <neofeed> kosmonautti, so THIS actually tells us all about your problem. Don't tell me you don't get it by now...
[04:25] <skreet> GeBo, I know it's not swap, I think it's just an extra created by NTFS, i've seen it on all xp machines.
[04:25] <tritium> I see moss.
[04:26] <neofeed> nooobie, whats so wrong about downloading ubuntu? than at the time of the new release change warty to hoary in your /etc/apt/sources.list and run apt-get dist-upgrade?
[04:26] <skreet> Would I be having any better luck with LILO?
[04:26] <Guardiann> hmmm strange i just did the upgrade to hoary everything seems to be working except xmms
[04:26] <GeBo> skreet: yes, NTFS needs that (I don't know why, though)
[04:26] <neofeed> nooobie, no big deal. And you will be fine.
[04:26] <wood1>  linux-image-2.6-686 - 2.6.8.1-14    AND    linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386                      2.6.8.1-16.1
[04:26] <nooobie> neofeed: ok thanks
[04:26] <kosmonautti> neofeed: For example, some Intel boards give a same kind of an error after flashing a new bios, and Intel claims that it is just because there is a change between bios revisions. I think it's the same thing with this ASUS board.
[04:26] <BockBilbo> bob2, im gonna paste it now
[04:26] <nooobie> i'm don't know much about apt... i didn't know i could do  that..
[04:26] <neofeed> Guardiann, did the same. Only thing that is strange: since then Metacity ignores all the panels... as docking areas.
[04:27] <wood1> tritium, I also have  linux-image-2.6.8.1-4-686 -  2.6.8.1-16.8
[04:27] <neofeed> kosmonautti, you should, by all I told you so far know why!
[04:27] <tritium> wood1, also?
[04:27] <Guardiann> neofeed did you get it working
[04:27] <neofeed> nooobie, you read what I wrote? simply do a 'text'-replace in ONE file. and run a command. C'mon that's NOT so hard!
[04:27] <tritium> wood1, what are you asking me?  Which images to remove?
[04:27] <neofeed> Guardiann, dun use xmms. Use Rhythmbox
[04:27] <neofeed> Guardiann, (I do)
[04:28] <skreet> the MBR o n disk 2 is windows xp stock, if i disable the linux drive i shoudl be able to boot to windows but I really wanted a more steamlined way of handling it.
[04:28] <wood1> Yes
[04:28] <kosmonautti> now to come back to another problem: my Athlon64 doesn't seem to work with powernow-k8 module because it gives this error when loading: "BIOS Error: numpst must be 1"
[04:28] <bob2> BockBilbo: that's all?
[04:28] <GeBo> skreet: i'm a little puzzled here...
[04:28] <nooobie> neofeed: thanks
[04:28] <wood1> You see, I had removed the 386 kernel about 1 month ago
[04:28] <BockBilbo> bob2, its what it is not commented
[04:28] <Guardiann> neofeed wontstart
[04:28] <BockBilbo> then i have some commented lines
[04:28] <neofeed> kosmonautti, does your bios have a 'reset configuration' option, if so. run it and try again.
[04:28] <GeBo> skreet: I'm not sure if Windows wants to boot from the first harddisk
[04:28] <neofeed> Guardiann, try from terminal?
[04:28] <wood1> tritium, Now I want to install the 386 kernel and remove the 2 686 kernels
[04:29] <tritium> wood1, are you sure?
[04:29] <St0n3-C0l> http://ftp4.de.freesbie.org/pub/misc/debian/ubuntu/dists
[04:29] <skreet> do yo know of a way to isntall windows without it re-writing the MBR?
[04:29] <St0n3-C0l> how do i put this site on my apt sources.list ?
[04:29] <nooobie> just one more question, is it easy to swap xfree with xorg?
[04:29] <skreet> Because then I'm locked out of my linux without a reinstall
[04:29] <randabis-wireles> you need to run hoary
[04:29] <GeBo> skreet: I know of no way
[04:29] <BockBilbo> bob2, do i have smthing missing?
[04:29] <tritium> wood1, you don't want the performance gains from the 686 kernels?
[04:29] <neofeed> nooobie, just did it. Apt does it all for you.
[04:29] <nooobie> ok thanks
[04:29] <skreet> Is there a way to make grub tell windows it's the first hard drive? :D
[04:30] <nooobie> now trying to download warty
[04:30] <wood1> Well I did not see any performance gains from the 686 kernels
[04:30] <GeBo> skreet: you know you can manually edit lines in Grub boot?
[04:30] <neofeed> nooobie, you MIGHT have to add your changes you made to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:30] <wood1> tritium, my system is very old
[04:30] <skreet> by pressing c
[04:30] <kosmonautti> neofeed: Though the message claims the problem to be in bios, it isn't there. It has something to do with linux kernels which have this bug, but version 2.6.10 should fix this. Though, I do must install it from sources if I want it for Warty?
[04:30] <skreet> that what you're talking about?
[04:30] <nooobie> right
[04:30] <neofeed> nooobie, both are text-files and that should be pretty straight.
[04:30] <tritium> wood1, okay
[04:30] <GeBo> yes
[04:30] <skreet> Yea
[04:30] <bob2> BockBilbo: not that I can see
[04:30] <skreet> I'm kinda familiar with that.
[04:30] <BockBilbo> ...
[04:30] <bob2> BockBilbo: try asking on the user list maybe
[04:30] <GeBo> skreet: and by pressing e you can change the lines
[04:31] <wood1> tritium, is it command ok:  apt-get remove linux-686 ?
[04:31] <tritium> no!
[04:31] <BockBilbo> mmm well.. i think i wont try hoary :(
[04:31] <johantilli> Anyone here knows how to make my digitalcamera to work in ubuntu? i just want to be able to open it like a hd or something like that
[04:31] <neofeed> kosmonautti, go to ftp.ubuntu.org and download the modutils and kernel and you should be set..
[04:31] <randabis-wireles> you must add --purge
[04:31] <skreet> Oh.
[04:31] <BockBilbo> it does wierd things with my wifi card
[04:31] <neofeed> kosmonautti, no need to upgrade to hoary
[04:31] <GeBo> skreet: maybe you try all partitions that way?
[04:31] <tritium> wood1, well, if you have linux-386 installed, then it's okay
[04:31] <kosmonautti> neofeed: ok, thanks
[04:31] <skreet> I think I knoww hat I did.
[04:31] <GeBo> skreet: rootnoverify (hd1,x)
[04:31] <skreet> I had that hard drive on sda before, I think XP is pissed.
[04:31] <skreet> Yea.
[04:31] <skreet> I'll give it a shot.
[04:31] <tritium> wood1, but make sure you have linux-386 installed before you remove linux-686
[04:31] <skreet> brb
[04:31] <wood1> Yes I just installed the 386 kernel
[04:31] <tritium> okay
[04:32] <GeBo> skreet: good luck
[04:32] <tritium> and you saw grub update?
[04:32] <BockBilbo> with warty it worked fine, i just had to have the switch on... but now it just detects it if the hardware switch is off ... but... it doesnt connect to the AP
[04:32] <BockBilbo> :S
[04:32] <BockBilbo> it sucks :(
[04:32] <wood1> tritium, why do I only recover 49.2 KB of disk space after removing the 686 kernel
[04:33] <Guardiann> hmmm couldnt parse playlist
[04:33] <wood1> tritium, I have remove the 686 kernel but it still shows up using the command to grep linux ?
[04:33] <tritium> wood1, probably because you didn't remove the linux-image- and linux-restricted-modules-
[04:33] <wood1> How do I remove them ?
[04:33] <GeBo> wood1: You want to get more diskspace? Ever tried apt-get clean?
[04:34] <tritium> apt-get remove --purge
[04:34] <tritium> you don't need the --purge, but I prefer it
[04:34] <froust> apt-get clean? what does that remove?
[04:34] <randabis-wireles> old debs that have been cached
[04:34] <wood1> Well Yes I  want to get some disk space but the real reason is that I want to remove all kernels refering to 686
[04:34] <GeBo> apt-get clean removes the old packages
[04:34] <GeBo> from the archive
[04:34] <tritium> there's also autoclean
[04:35] <GeBo> (not from the installed packages though)
[04:35] <wood1> Is this fine:    apt-get remove linux-686* ?
[04:35] <GeBo> autoclean?
[04:35] <tritium> GeBo, man apt-get
[04:35] <GeBo> ;)
[04:35] <souki> wood1: dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-4-686
[04:35] <souki> gives you the name of the package
[04:36] <GeBo> wood1: doesn't that remove all kernels?
[04:36] <kosmonautti> Where's the site where I can download daily hoary builds?
[04:36] <tritium> wood1, no, that won't work
[04:36] <neofeed> Any Hoary hacker?
[04:36] <johantilli> I would like som help to know how to be able to look at the pictures in my digitalcamera
[04:36] <tritium> wood1, look again at the output from dpkg -l | grep linux
[04:36] <St0n3-C0l> whats the link of the Installed Themes ?
[04:37] <da_bon_bon> bob2: u use mepis too ?
[04:37] <souki> wood1: dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz-*
[04:37] <GeBo> well guys, I call it a day
[04:37] <neofeed> @[Hoary Hacker] : I need some help. Since my upgrade The network does not show the windows boxes anymore
[04:37] <GeBo> cya
[04:38] <tritium> souki, that will be slower
[04:38] <souki> tritium: well, 3 seconds on my laptop
[04:39] <tritium> -S can sometimes be slow, though
[04:39] <theine> hi, on my machine gnome occasionally hangs after I said ``logout''. Is that a common problem?
[04:39] <wood1> Should I just : apt-get remove all the 686 kernels and restricted modules
[04:39] <souki> tritium: yes but it's very difficult to guess package's name when you don't know debian or ubuntu
[04:40] <tritium> souki, that's why I recommended he use "dpkg -l | grep linux"
[04:40] <kosmonautti> what's the difference between hoary array-1 and array-1 set of cds?
[04:40] <kosmonautti> array-2*
[04:40] <tritium> he doesn't have to know that kernels images are /boot/vmlinuz-*
[04:41] <wood1> Ok I will just remove the 686 kernels from the dpkg | grep linux
[04:41] <souki> tritium: if you came from redhat the package name is 'kernel-*'
[04:41] <tritium> yeah, and the kernels are even named differently in debian
[04:42] <iFonz> my mouse is fucked, is there a way I can (a) get a bash terminal with a mouse command, and (b) access the menus at the top (applications, computer) ?
[04:42] <iFonz> hmm
[04:42] <iFonz> not a mouse command, a keyboard command
[04:42] <da_bon_bon> hey, after i play 5 dvd, dvd drive gets locked to region code of last dvd played. now, if i wanna play another region dvd, what do i do ? i use dvdgenie under windows for the purpose!
[04:42] <tritium> wood1, if you need to expand the colums so you can read the full package name, use "export COLUMNS=200", or some large number
[04:42] <tritium> then dpkg -l | grep linux
[04:42] <wood1> tritium, thanks for the tips
[04:42] <tritium> sure
[04:43] <souki> tritium: the tip I was missing (COLUMNS)
[04:43] <tritium> souki, yes, but the advantage of your method is that it does print the whole package name
[04:44] <souki> tritium: badly there is no option for that
[04:44] <HostingGeek> can someone update with distrowatch that ubuntuforums.org IS offical
[04:44] <HostingGeek> as they say its unoffical
[04:44] <dud> da_bon_bon, if you can find you dvd device here http://tdb.rpc1.org
[04:44] <MM2> now I'm angry: what is root password?
[04:44] <dud> you can update the firmware to the newest
[04:44] <da_bon_bon> dud: but, how do i get dvdgenie alternative under linux ?
[04:44] <tritium> MM2, there isn't one unless you set it
[04:44] <dud> just beware that this might destroy your drive if not done properly
[04:44] <MM2> sudo asks rootas password
[04:45] <dud> its best to do it under windows i think
[04:45] <dud> and be sure to pick the exact correct brand and model
[04:45] <tritium> MM2, it should be asking for your user password.
[04:45] <randabis-wireles> MM2 should be your user password
[04:45] <dud> and, dont kill me if something goes wrong, as these are hacked firmware upgrades heh
[04:45] <yaaar> word
[04:45] <MM2> ah, ta
[04:46] <tritium> MM2, if you want to, you can "sudo passwd root"
[04:46] <MM2> it worked, thank you!
[04:46] <randabis-wireles> yeah but sudo is still always your user password
[04:46] <da_bon_bon> dud: oh.. my drive isnt listed. what do i do ?
[04:47] <tritium> randabis-wireles, right
[04:47] <dud> da_bon_bon, in that case i dont know :/
[04:47] <dud> sorry
[04:47] <wood1> tritium, what does linux kernelrc mean ?
[04:48] <MM2> is here other package managers than dselect?
[04:48] <da_bon_bon> dud: ok.
[04:48] <tritium> wood1, in what context?
[04:48] <dud> perhaps you can find some sort of howto or guide for your drive on google da_bon_bon... thats my final thoughts...
[04:48] <tritium> MM2, aptitude, synaptic
[04:49] <wood1> I still see the 686 kernel under the 386 kernel
[04:49] <da_bon_bon> dud: thank u.
[04:49] <dud> np
[04:49] <wood1>  image for version 2.6.8.1 on 386.
[04:49] <wood1> rc  linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686
[04:49] <tritium> wood1, msg me and paste what you're seeing
[04:49] <MM2> why my ssh terminal keeps messing screen?
[04:50] <tritium> wood1, that's because you did not apt-get remove --purge
[04:50] <tritium> you just did apt-get remove
[04:50] <tritium> so it left some configuration files behind
[04:50] <HostingGeek> .j #cpgnuke
[04:50] <MM2> and how to connect to windows printers? :)
[04:50] <tritium> that's why I prefer to use the --purge option
[04:51] <dr_willis> MM2,  normally you set up the windows printer to be shared. and use the "CUPS" config interface to find/access it.
[04:51] <wood1>  COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep linux
[04:51] <wood1> ii  foomatic-filters                             3.0.1-20040621-1ubuntu1                      linuxprinting.org printer support - filters
[04:51] <wood1> ii  libselinux1                                  1.12-1ubuntu1                                SELinux shared libraries
[04:51] <wood1> ii  linux-386                                    2.6.8.1-14                                   Complete Linux kernel on 386.
[04:51] <MM2> dr_willis: where is interface to cups?
[04:51] <dud> pastebin.ca or something similar should be in this topic permanently hehe
[04:51] <dr_willis> but im not sure if any other enhanced tools to configure printers come with this disrto. I tend to use cup's web interface. http://localhost:631
[04:52] <dr_willis> i think thats the right #. port # may be 601   i forget.
[04:52] <tritium> 631 is correct
[04:52] <tritium> but I think it's disabled on ubuntu
[04:53] <tritium> well, administrative tasks are
[04:53] <kent> "restarting" the panel with killall gnome-panel seems to kill gaim  :(
[04:54] <neofeed> inkscape 0.4 (from hoary), gimp 2.2 (from hoary) and my printer make a perfect deal.
[04:54] <dr_willis> tritium,  thats the problem with me useing a bunch of differnt disrtos :p i can never be sure of the speficics
[04:54] <tritium> yeah
[04:54] <neofeed> why inksape + gimp? because inkscape is too stupid to print. But is able to export correct Bitmaps. And gimp is able to print just about everything correct.
[04:55] <neofeed> So given the correct DPI in inkscape while exporting and printing via gimp doth the job.
[04:56] <neofeed> I'd still prefere to print from inkscape and drop the gimp instance but until that works. This hath to work.
[04:56] <imka> hi
[04:56] <MM2> dr_willis: how I install printer, if admin tasks are disabled
[04:56] <tritium> MM2, use the gnome printing tool
[04:56] <imka> nautilus cd burner stopped working without me doing anything. how can i check what the problem is?
[04:57] <dr_willis> MM2,  well.. not sure :P i'd enable the admin task. or use some other tool that dioes the same thing.
[04:57] <dr_willis> i am used to the cups interface. and perfer it.
[04:57] <neofeed> dr_willis, did you really ever try the gnome-cups?
[04:57] <dr_willis> neofeed,  not on a headless server :P
[04:58] <neofeed> dr_willis,  yep. got me :P
[04:58] <dr_willis> all my little box does is be a print/file server. no keyboard/mouse i just shh in normally
[04:58] <dr_willis> actually if ya want the truth - i dont care much for gnome. *hides*
[04:58] <neofeed> dr_willis,  same with my network router ;)
[04:58] <dr_willis> Lol :P
[04:58] <neofeed> dr_willis, but for the desktop printing stuff. I don't want to run though the house to get to my printer, gnome-cups is beautiful
[04:59] <dr_willis> guessi am weird and just perfer to use "windowmaker"
[04:59] <neofeed> dr_willis, dunno. I never felt productive with windowmaker.
[04:59] <dr_willis> actually i went hard core now - and got a "network" box for my old laser printer. it now dosent even need the print server
[04:59] <dr_willis> a little Dlink network-print server - was on sale for $50
[04:59] <CdC> hello, after installing the security updates in warty gnome stoped working
[05:00] <neofeed> dr_willis, wow, that's really paying respekt to your old lady...
[05:00] <dr_willis> neofeed,  that laser printer is still going strong :P HP laserjet6L
[05:00] <CdC> X is still working since the login manager is running fine, but I can no start gnome
[05:00] <neofeed> CdC, why do I find it pathatik that someone with your nick complains about network problems?
[05:00] <dr_willis> been wanting to get a new laser printer - but why :P plys i hear the new low-priced lasers tend to not like linux much  sadly.
[05:00] <CdC> network is fine now
[05:01] <neofeed> CdC, what about the reglar logging facilities.
[05:01] <neofeed> dr_willis, I'd like to get a new color HP laser. for ~400 some. But I got no money
[05:01] <CdC> I can log on to the console
[05:02] <dr_willis> neofeed,  yea i'd check the web and reviews and other linux users comments VERY VERY closely befor getting it.
[05:02] <CdC> if I try to start gnome from the console I get Gtk-error: can not open display
[05:02] <dr_willis> how are you starting gnome?
[05:02] <dr_willis> from the console?
[05:02] <CdC> start a new x-session and then run gnome-session in that X
[05:02] <neofeed> dr_willis, I'm going to take my laptop over to my nightbour first... he's got that model and I got ubuntu on my laptop ;)
[05:03] <dr_willis> neofeed,  good way to find out.
[05:03] <dr_willis> take the laptop to the store :p lol
[05:03] <neofeed> dr_willis, usually I'm equipped with an ubuntu and knoppix CD and start playing in the shop when I'm bored.
[05:04] <dr_willis> Live CD's are so handy
[05:04] <neofeed> Live CD's are every sales guys horror ;)
[05:05] <dr_willis> Yep. :P it pays to chit-chat and be friendly with the guys at the local comkputer stores
[05:05] <dr_willis> amazing the amount of STUPID things you still hear at the computer stores. however.
[05:05] <CdC> dr_willis: DISPLAY=":1" export DISPLAY ; X -ac $DISPLAY 2>/dev/null & ; gnome-session
[05:05] <dr_willis> Interesting rumor id heard today a $500 apple computer to be anounced
[05:06] <cetanhota> no rumor its true.
[05:06] <dr_willis> CdC,  why not just try goiong to runlevel 3, and try "startx" and see what error messages happn
[05:06] <tritium> cetanhota, got any details?
[05:06] <dr_willis> cetanhota,  not seen any confirmation :P got a url?
[05:06] <cetanhota> I sec on what I have
[05:06] <dr_willis> be a nice little linux box eh? :P
[05:06] <neofeed> dr_willis, well we got some 'computer super stores' here.
[05:06] <CdC> dr_willis: I'll try
[05:07] <dr_willis> apple is such an ... interesting company.
[05:07] <cetanhota> http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0412expo2.html
[05:07] <dr_willis> cetanhota,  thats the ONLY referance i can find to it :P
[05:07] <imka> nautilus cd burner stopped working without me doing anything. how can i check what the problem is? any ideas?
[05:07] <neofeed> dr_willis, MediaMarkt, MediMax and Saturn. All blow big time but for asking them to test there system for compartibility as that is very important to me - just for fun - is a joy every time and a good way to substitude the time I need to wait for the next Train
[05:07] <tritium> cetanhota, thanks
[05:07] <dr_willis> so its still a rumor as far as i know. :P
[05:08] <imka> my cdburner is not being detected
[05:08] <imka> it was before
[05:08] <cetanhota> Jobs is making it offical today
[05:08] <jakeracter> everything freezes during boot for me during "* Starting hotplug subsystem..." - is there any way i can
[05:08] <jakeracter> +boot without that or something?
[05:08] <dr_willis> cetanhota,  yea. :P perhaps. heh heh - guyess we will know tomorros.
[05:08] <dr_willis> well i gotta run. bbl
[05:08] <neofeed> imka, so your cd burner died?
[05:08] <neofeed> imka, hope you got garanee mate
[05:08] <imka> neofeed, are you sure?
[05:09] <neofeed> did you try a reboot?
[05:09] <imka> nope
[05:09] <imka> brbr
[05:09] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me how are the packages kept by apt installed?
[05:09] <neofeed> BockBilbo, how?
[05:09] <tritium> BockBilbo, what do you mean?
[05:10] <neofeed> BockBilbo, please rephrase your question
[05:11] <BockBilbo> i dont know how it is said in english.. see.. when doing, for example apt-get upgrade, it says that some packages are not going to be installed cause they have been kept or smthing like thart
[05:11] <BockBilbo> (my locales are in spanish)
[05:11] <BockBilbo> so, for example, it says that its not going to upgrade some packages
[05:12] <neofeed> BockBilbo, so what? it doesn't upgrade them because it might think they are not ready to be upgraded or not needed?
[05:12] <BockBilbo> you understand me?
[05:12] <BockBilbo> well.. thats what it thinks.. but they should have been updated...
[05:13] <BockBilbo> its keeping without upgrading the gnome stuff... and it should upgrade it cause im switching to hoary
[05:13] <BockBilbo> :S
[05:13] <tritium> BockBilbo, sometimes they're not upgrade because it would involve uninstalling current packages, or installing new ones.
[05:13] <neofeed> BockBilbo, did you get -- maybe an error?
[05:13] <BockBilbo> oh
[05:14] <BockBilbo> neofeed, i dindt...
[05:14] <tritium> or, on occasion, a dependency can't be met
[05:14] <BockBilbo> but well.. im doing a dist-upgrade again...
[05:14] <BockBilbo> :S
[05:14] <BockBilbo> its wierd
[05:14] <BockBilbo> some packages werent installed
[05:17] <tritium> BockBilbo, if you did dist-upgrade, and some were still not installed, then it's likely a dependency could not be met
[05:17] <tritium> Are you using Warty or Hoary?
[05:18] <BockBilbo> tritium, right now i dont know..
[05:18] <BockBilbo> ive installed warty this morning
[05:18] <tritium> Oh, okay.
[05:18] <BockBilbo> and then upgrade..
[05:18] <tritium> which package won't install?
[05:18] <BockBilbo> but it seens that it didnt upgrade correctly
[05:19] <BockBilbo> dont remember...
[05:19] <tritium> neofeed, the movie sucks in any language
[05:19] <Casanova> hello.... does anybody know where to get drivers for USB modem?
[05:19] <qzr> I have a Acer Ferrari 3200 Laptop, the ubundu 64bit-install runs nicely, but it wont start x, allthough the x-config-file looks fine, it has detected the correct graphic-card(radeon 9700 mobility) and the right resolution
[05:20] <tritium> BockBilbo, run "apt-get -u dist-upgrade" again and check out the results
[05:20] <BockBilbo> ill do it once it finished doing the 2nd dist-upgrade ... it seens to be working
[05:21] <tritium> okay
[05:21] <neofeed> tritium, I want the song by the north korean guy
[05:21] <tritium> neofeed, oh
[05:24] <qzr> is there any known bugs with radeon 9700 and amd64?
[05:24] <mako> HostingGeek: working on it again today.. having a bit of a cc meeting at the moment
[05:24] <froust> qzr: i'm running it at home with no problems so far
[05:24] <froust> mind you it's only been 2 days :P
[05:24] <HostingGeek> mako: lag?
[05:25] <HostingGeek> mako: why not put a place here we submit to you
[05:25] <qzr> froust: I've tried to install it twice with the same error, everything runs clean with the install
[05:25] <qzr> no errors
[05:25] <froust> what problem do you run into?
[05:25] <qzr> froust: but when it boots into x, it wont go graphical
[05:25] <froust> ahh
[05:25] <qzr> and the screen blanks
[05:25] <froust> this happened to me too
[05:26] <qzr> it kind of turns the baklight off, so i have to reboot to get it back
[05:26] <qzr> :/
[05:26] <froust> you need to set up your monitor/vid card details... i can't remmember the command though
[05:26] <qzr> never happened before
[05:26] <qzr> I've looked into the x-config file, and it looks good to mee
[05:26] <qzr> right card, right resoulution
[05:27] <qzr> and I've tried to run the xconfig as well, same error
[05:27] <froust> hmm... that's odd.
[05:27] <qzr> froust: are you running the 64bit?
[05:27] <qzr> very!
[05:27] <froust> yeah
[05:28] <gorth> Are there any guides on getting CDRW working in Ubuntu?
[05:28] <qzr> i'm downloading the 32bit now :/
[05:28] <froust> boo hiss... let me see if i can find that command.
[05:28] <qzr> thanks
[05:28] <froust> are you using hoary or warty?
[05:28] <qzr> warty
[05:29] <froust> qzr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:29] <froust> that fixed it for me
[05:29] <mako> HostingGeek: not lag, timezones :)
[05:29] <qzr> allright
[05:29] <qzr> thanks, i'll boot in and try it immediatly :D
[05:29] <froust> good luck :)
[05:29] <HostingGeek> mako: well that one was lag
[05:30] <mako> HostingGeek: i'm in a meeting dude
[05:30] <jakeracter> what's up with "Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" ?
[05:30] <viktor> hi
[05:31] <HostingGeek> jakeracter: -4 is b0rken
[05:31] <viktor> i have problems logging into gnome with my other user
[05:31] <HostingGeek> jakeracter: -5 is -3
[05:31] <tritium> I hope SMTP auth gets fixed in evolution soon
[05:31] <HostingGeek> wait till -6
[05:31] <viktor> after logging in gdm, im told that it can't read .iceathority
[05:31] <HostingGeek> where all the patch will be included in the build
[05:31] <jakeracter> HG - that doesn't mean anything to me
[05:32] <viktor> i can log in with this user. i've copied over iceauthority from this home, but no succes
[05:32] <viktor> plus, my screen is moving out of range sometimes. this all happended w/o doing anything
[05:32] <fabbione> -5 is ok
[05:32] <fabbione> so please stop spreading rumors that are not true
[05:33] <HostingGeek> fabbione: i said -5 is like -3
[05:33] <Kokey> somebody know if is it hard to make a live cd with the 855patch?? this is because I bought a Dell Inspiron 1150
[05:33] <HostingGeek> with no pataches
[05:33] <fabbione> there are even more patches in -5 than in -3
[05:34] <HostingGeek> jakeracter: it mean you need to upgrade
[05:34] <fabbione> why do you keep saying that there are no patches
[05:34] <fabbione> ?
[05:34] <fabbione> did you bother to check the changelog?
[05:34] <tritium> neofeed, were you wanting the orinoco_cs patches to put it in monitor mode?
[05:34] <HostingGeek> fabbione: i read this in #ubuntu-devel
[05:34] <viktor> does anyone have an idea what could have happened to my system?
[05:34] <fabbione> and you read it wrong
[05:34] <fabbione> because you didn't follow the entire story
[05:34] <jakeracter> i'm trying to boot the livecd right now that i got from ubuntulinux.org ; is there a better version?
[05:37] <gorth> Are there any guides on getting CDRW working in Ubuntu?
[05:39] <froust> brb
[05:41] <tritium> gorth, have you tried using nautilus to burn?
[05:42] <gorth> tritium,  no, how do I do that?
[05:42] <randabis-wireles> you can also use k3b
[05:43] <gorth> randabis-wireles,  Do i have to enable some sort of SCSI emulation to get K3b working?
[05:43] <tritium> gorth, http://ubuntuguide.org/#cddvdburning
[05:43] <randabis-wireles> I don't think so...it should just work
[05:43] <gorth> tritium,  thanks mate..
[05:44] <gorth> randabis-wireles,  great..
[05:44] <tritium> gorth, you're welcom
[05:44] <micsch> hui, where can i download security updates for firefox?
[05:45] <OddAbe19> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:45] <OddAbe19> you shouldn't need to download updates, cause apt-get will do it
[05:45] <OddAbe19> *theretically
[05:46] <micsch> ok
[05:47] <randabis-wireles> I think firefox has an updater built in as well
[05:48] <OddAbe19> yeah, but that's sketchy
[05:48] <randabis-wireles> I know it will update extensions and such
[05:48] <OddAbe19> if there's a fix, apt-get will have it
[05:48] <randabis-wireles> yeah
[05:48] <lightbade> hi i am running ubuntu and i have a problem detecting my cdrom drive
[05:49] <lightbade> I have 2 computers. One has an internal CDrom drive. And this one has an external cd-writer connecting through the USB port.
[05:50] <lightbade> To install ubuntu, I attached the internal drive to this computer and installed ubuntu
[05:51] <lightbade> Ubuntu detected both cd-drives. Later, I shutdown and removed the internal cd-drive.
[05:52] <lightbade> and now ubuntu shows both cd-drives, but i cant access any
[05:52] <Ileden> Hi all! I'm going to install ubuntu soonish, and I'm now partitioning my disk drives. However, as w2k didn't let me create a 120 GB FAT32 partition (for storage space), I created it with knoppix. I'm now however a bit unsure whether it's ok to use the drive...
[05:52] <BockBilbo> tritium, it worked!!!!
[05:52] <BockBilbo> :)
[05:52] <BockBilbo> im in hoary right now
[05:52] <tritium> BockBilbo, good deal.
[05:52] <BockBilbo> but
[05:52] <BockBilbo> i have one last question
[05:52] <Ileden> So are there going to be problems with a FAT32 partition of that size, or is w2k just stupid for not allowing me to create it?
[05:52] <tritium> okay
[05:52] <Kokey> lightbade: may be need to modify the /etc/fstab
[05:53] <Ileden> (Thanks to anyone who can reassure me on this. :)
[05:53] <BockBilbo> see.. now it just keeps one package... the x-window-system-core... should i live it that way?
[05:53] <tritium> lightbade, yes, most likely /etc/fstab needs to be edited
[05:53] <randabis-wireles> win2k uses an older FAT32 I believe that won't support creating very large partitions
[05:53] <Ileden> ...and just to be sure, I'm _not_ going to install ubuntu on the FAT32 drive. :)
[05:53] <randabis-wireles> I know the XP FAT32 will create very large partitions
[05:54] <randabis-wireles> still though, FAT32 isn't a very good FS to use unless you constantly maintain it
[05:54] <randabis-wireles> fragments easily, and is very prone to corruption
[05:54] <randabis-wireles> plus it is not a journaling file system
[05:54] <Ileden> randabis-wireles: yeah, I know. I'm annoyed that I have to use it, but it's the only thing that works with both win and linux, I hear.
[05:55] <lightbade> how do i modify /etc/fstab?
[05:55] <randabis-wireles> NTFS works, but you only has read support out of the box
[05:55] <tritium> BockBilbo, I would leave it.  xorg-common suggests it
[05:55] <tritium> (recommends it)
[05:55] <randabis-wireles> you can enable limited write support for it in the kernel though
[05:55] <Ileden> yeap, but as it's going to be my primary storage drive, write support would be quite required...
[05:56] <BockBilbo> ok tritium
[05:56] <tritium> lightbade, you'll have to know the device names for your drives
[05:56] <Ileden> I hear the NTFS write support can cause some very unwanted results...
[05:56] <randabis-wireles> I suppose, just keep your FAT partition maintenanced often and you should be okay
[05:56] <BockBilbo> thank you a lot!
[05:56] <tritium> BockBilbo, sure.  Congrats.
[05:57] <randabis-wireles> lleden it's relatively safe if you have the ntfs tools
[05:57] <BockBilbo> :)
[05:57] <lightbade> [tritium]  I dont have a /dev/cdrom in /dev
[05:57] <Ileden> yeah, and when I'm done with the transition period to linux, I'll be happy to convert it to some other system.
[05:57] <randabis-wireles> I like reiser
[05:57] <tritium> lightbade, I'm about to head out for lunch.  Is it IDE?  Which cable?  What position?
[05:58] <lightbade> its an external USB cd-writer my iomega
[05:58] <lightbade> by*
[05:58] <Ileden> hmm, what's the main difference in reiser (vs. ext3)? is it database-based or what's the idea?
[05:59] <tritium> lightbade, Sorry, I need to run.  Hopefully someone here can help you.
[06:00] <lightbade> reiser-fs is better if most of your files are tiny @ Ileden
[06:00] <lightbade> thanks anyway @ tritium
[06:00] <Ileden> randabis-wireles: oh, and thanks for the information! I'll start moving my stuff to the 120 GB FAT32 right away.
[06:00] <randabis-wireles> lleden I'm not sure on the specifics, I just think it is a little faster for me
[06:01] <Ileden> ok, I'll have to take a look at reiser too when I'm ready to cut off windows. But it's still a long way there. :)
[06:02] <randabis-wireles> yeah I recently killed my windows partition on the main box and now it's only running ubuntu
[06:02] <randabis-wireles> windows pissed me off so I murdered it
[06:02] <OddAbe19> Ileden, i've heard many horror storied about people losing date with Reiser and XFS
[06:03] <OddAbe19> data*
[06:03] <OddAbe19> they're not safe if your computer is 'shut off' from power outage or something
[06:03] <OddAbe19> ext3 is you safe bet
[06:03] <Ileden> yeah, I'm using ext3 for the ubuntu system drive.
[06:03] <Ileden> I'll have to see about other system when the time comes...
[06:04] <souki> OddAbe19: never had problem with reiserfs (since three years or so)
[06:04] <randabis-wireles> doesn't reiser4 address that problem? not sure
[06:04] <Ileden> I'll need a bit more experience with linux too, before I start using stanger file systems. :)
[06:04] <OddAbe19> souki, neither have I, but i've heard too many horror stories for me to feel comfortable
[06:04] <spacey> how can i force fsck at bootup?
[06:04] <BockBilbo> well bye!!!
[06:04] <BockBilbo> thanks all
[06:04] <OddAbe19> randabis-wireles, yes, except, it's not in ubuntu
[06:04] <OddAbe19> lol
[06:05] <randabis-wireles> um...you can get it in hoary I thought
[06:05] <souki> randabis-wireles: reiserfs4 is not in the kernel tree I think
[06:05] <OddAbe19> Ileden, use ext3 for /home that way if you need to reformat, all your personal data will be safe
[06:05] <OddAbe19> and reiser for the other fs
[06:05] <lightbade> is there a tool like kudzu (red hat) in ubuntu?
[06:05] <froust> what does kudzu do again?
[06:06] <OddAbe19> detects HW
[06:06] <randabis-wireles> could have sworn I saw a patch for reiser 4 when I was browsing around in aptitude
[06:06] <spacey> hardware detection i think
[06:06] <Ileden> does ubuntu create a different partition for /home?
[06:06] <froust> oh... the autodetect hardware thing
[06:06] <lightbade> hardware detection
[06:06] <randabis-wireles> lleden not by default I don't think
[06:06] <OddAbe19> randabis-wireles, there's a patch, but IIRC, i'm not sure it works right
[06:06] <OddAbe19> Ileden, you can
[06:06] <randabis-wireles> ah
[06:06] <OddAbe19> randabis-wireles, but i could be wrong
[06:07] <OddAbe19> i only use xfs now
[06:07] <randabis-wireles> well, I'm sure the gurus will get it going correctly before too long
[06:07] <OddAbe19> for the most part
[06:07] <Ileden> hmm, I'm wondering whether it's a good idea or not.
[06:07] <Chestah> hi
[06:07] <OddAbe19> Ileden, good idea for what?
[06:07] <randabis-wireles> lleden it can be useful if you plan to run multiple distrobutions at once
[06:07] <Ileden> to create a separate partition for /home
[06:07] <OddAbe19> i do
[06:07] <randabis-wireles> distributions... :p
[06:07] <OddAbe19> it makes upgrades less painful
[06:07] <Ileden> but as I'm only going to run ubuntu, it would probably just be in the way.
[06:07] <OddAbe19> and if your system goes haywire
[06:08] <Ileden> yeah, that's the upside. :)
[06:08] <OddAbe19> you can reinstall, not touch that partition, and all your personal data is fine
[06:08] <randabis-wireles> yep
[06:08] <Ileden> The problem is, I need to reserve the right amount of space.
[06:08] <Chestah> Ubuntu on 1CD, does it future a full working system with KDE / Gnome ?
[06:08] <OddAbe19> and when i backup, i just back up /home
[06:08] <Chestah> feature
[06:08] <randabis-wireles> just gnome
[06:08] <Ileden> it's not nice to run out of system disk space :)
[06:09] <OddAbe19> Ileden, home.comcast.net/~amsilveira/linuxsite/  that's my site, i have a partitioning scheme that i use in it
[06:09] <Riddell> Chestah: GNOME only, KDE is available to download (will be on a different CD as well at some point)
[06:09] <OddAbe19> Riddell beat me to it :-P
[06:11] <randabis-wireles> I beat both of yall...:p no biggie though
[06:11] <randabis-wireles> not a contest or anything
[06:11] <Ileden> OddAbe19: ah, so you have /boot, /, and /home?
[06:11] <OddAbe19> did the developers decide on a seperate disc for kde?
[06:11] <AfrOTRokHE> hallo alle
[06:11] <AfrOTRokHE> moin
[06:11] <AfrOTRokHE> :)
[06:11] <OddAbe19> Ileden, you NEED /boot and /
[06:12] <Ileden> oh?
[06:12] <randabis-wireles> I have /boot / and swap
[06:12] <OddAbe19> i know they were toying with that idea for awhile
[06:12] <OddAbe19> randabis-wireles, i have 1gig of ram, so i don't have /swap
[06:12] <Riddell> OddAbe19: yes (essentially)
[06:12] <Ileden> so I assume ubuntu creates them automatically.
[06:12] <srid> 'xchm' in ubuntu repos is based in gtk1 branch if wxWidnows
[06:13] <randabis-wireles> heh, I don't think it would be a good idea to have no swap on this laptop (224 MB ram)
[06:13] <srid> is there a package for xchm based on gtk2?
[06:13] <randabis-wireles> I think ubuntu by default just makes one big partition...not sure
[06:13] <Chestah> thanks for the info
[06:13] <Chestah> gtg
[06:13] <froust> randabis-wireles: i think it does too
[06:13] <OddAbe19> Ileden, i think it does all 3 automatically
[06:14] <randabis-wireles> I think that's a bit silly :p
[06:14] <OddAbe19> debian did
[06:14] <Kamion> bluefoxicy: are you around? if so, we'd like you in #ubuntu-meeting
[06:14] <OddAbe19> i always do it manually
[06:14] <froust> i made /boot and then /
[06:14] <OddAbe19> which is just as easy
[06:16] <OddAbe19> i always have a /home for safety... i've screwed up enough times in my Xyears in linux to learn to have it
[06:16] <OddAbe19> lol
[06:16] <randabis-wireles> hehe
[06:16] <Ileden> the only problem is that you need to know what size to make them.
[06:17] <OddAbe19> Ileden, boot only needs to be 100 megs
[06:17] <randabis-wireles> yeah was just gonna say that
[06:17] <randabis-wireles> I see no need for a /boot larger than that
[06:17] <OddAbe19> home should be as much as you want
[06:17] <OddAbe19> and / should be like 10 gigs or so
[06:18] <OddAbe19> i've actually run linux on a 1 gig HD with more then enough space
[06:18] <Ileden> OddAbe19: yeah, /home is what's left of the /... but it's sizing the / that's the problem
[06:18] <OddAbe19> Ileden, how much disk space do you have total for linux
[06:18] <Ileden> well, I do have spare disk space.
[06:18] <Ileden> so I should be fine.
[06:18] <Ileden> 40GB reserved for linux-only stuff
[06:18] <OddAbe19> ok
[06:18] <OddAbe19> i'd do 100 meg /boot
[06:18] <Ileden> maybe 15 / 35
[06:18] <OddAbe19> yeah
[06:19] <OddAbe19> i was just gonnda say 15 and 35
[06:19] <Ileden> :D
[06:19] <OddAbe19> home is where all your personal files are
[06:19] <OddAbe19> so i make that big
[06:19] <OddAbe19> ....er then root
[06:19] <jakeracter> no, home is where the heart is!
[06:19] <OddAbe19> then / *
[06:19] <OddAbe19> not root
[06:19] <randabis-wireles> heh yay for 6 gig hard drives...:p
[06:19] <Ileden> yeah, it seems fine. I can't imagine the system to grow beyond 15 GB.
[06:19] <OddAbe19> lol
[06:19] <Ileden> but then again, what do I know, I haven't used linux actively :)
[06:20] <OddAbe19> oddabel@ubuntu:~ $ df -h
[06:20] <OddAbe19> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[06:20] <OddAbe19> /dev/hdb2              17G  3.9G   12G  25% /
[06:20] <OddAbe19> tmpfs                 507M     0  507M   0% /dev/shm
[06:20] <OddAbe19> /dev/hdb1              90M   43M   43M  51% /boot
[06:20] <OddAbe19> /dev/hdb3              11G  1.8G  7.9G  19% /home
[06:20] <OddAbe19> /dev/hdb5              32G  302M   32G   1% /media/stuff
[06:20] <OddAbe19> /dev/hdb6              16G   12G  4.2G  73% /media/media
[06:20] <OddAbe19> /dev/hda1              58G  9.9G   48G  18% /media/winxp
[06:20] <randabis-wireles> well depends on how many programs you're going to run
[06:20] <OddAbe19> none                  5.0M  2.8M  2.3M  56% /dev
[06:20] <OddAbe19> oddabel@ubuntu:~ $
[06:20] <OddAbe19> that's mine
[06:20] <randabis-wireles> some even go as far as to give /usr its own partition
[06:20] <OddAbe19> right now
[06:20] <HostingGeek> FLOOD
[06:20] <OddAbe19> and i do heavy stuff on it
[06:20] <OddAbe19> sorry
[06:20] <OddAbe19> floods are bad
[06:21] <HostingGeek> OddAbe19: pastebin or #flood
[06:21] <Ileden>  /media ?
[06:21] <OddAbe19> that's the folder that all your drives are mounted in
[06:21] <HostingGeek> oh wait #flood just fwd here
[06:21] <OddAbe19> it used to be /mnt
[06:21] <randabis-wireles> I still have /mnt...:p
[06:21] <OddAbe19> i was using it for awhile
[06:21] <Ileden> oh, when did that change? is this a new standard, or just an ubuntu thing?
[06:22] <OddAbe19> then i realized /media is easier for my roomie to find on the server
[06:22] <randabis-wireles> well my nfs shares are in /mnt
[06:22] <OddAbe19> new standard i believe
[06:22] <Ileden> well, at least /media sounds a lot better
[06:22] <OddAbe19> easier for newer people to find
[06:22] <OddAbe19> but /mnt is there still
[06:22] <randabis-wireles> I want to find a good free client/server for nfs in windows so I can migrate the whole network to nfs and not have to use samba
[06:22] <Ileden> uh, and /mnt is now used for?
[06:23] <OddAbe19> nothing
[06:23] <Ileden> :)
[06:23] <OddAbe19> i'm thinking about deleting it actually
[06:23] <jcspray> Ileden: /mnt is handy for mounting random things temporarily.
[06:23] <randabis-wireles> yeah
[06:24] <jcspray> Also, I put stuff that isn't really media (like nfs mounts) in /mnt/, so I actually have a /mnt/foo for random things :-0
[06:24] <OddAbe19> jcspray, yeah, but i don't do that
[06:24] <OddAbe19> lo
[06:24] <OddAbe19> lol
[06:24] <bassinboy> ok i run # nvidia-glx-config enable
[06:24] <bassinboy> but nothing happens
[06:24] <randabis-wireles> jc, me too...I keep nfs shares in /mnt
[06:25] <OddAbe19> bassinboy, something happened
[06:25] <OddAbe19> you have to restart X
[06:25] <OddAbe19> Alt+Ctrl+BkSpace
[06:25] <bassinboy>  OddAbe19... no, nothing happen, i'm serious, "nv" is still the driver for my video card
[06:25] <OddAbe19> ok
[06:26] <OddAbe19> warty or hoary?
[06:26] <bassinboy> the command usually gives output text, but its not doing any now
[06:26] <Ribs> bassinboy, just change it manually
[06:26] <Ribs> It's not rocket science
[06:26] <bassinboy> Ribs: do i need to change anything else?
[06:26] <Ribs> not really
[06:26] <OddAbe19> bassinboy, just edit your xorg.conf or XFree86 file to nvidia instead of nv
[06:26] <Ribs> you may need to comment out the dri module
[06:26] <bassinboy> i think its warty   ubuntu-amd64 2.6.8.1-4-amd64-generic
[06:27] <OddAbe19> yep
[06:27] <bassinboy> k, should i emerge xorg?
[06:27] <OddAbe19> sudo gedit /etc/X11/XFConfig86-4
[06:27] <OddAbe19> no
[06:27] <OddAbe19> emerge? this is debian not gentoo :-P
[06:27] <OddAbe19> do what i said
[06:28] <bassinboy> whats the point  with sticking to xfree ?       OddAbe19, oops, sorry, not use to ubuntu yet lol
[06:28] <OddAbe19> then goto video card and chnge the driver to nvidia instead of nv
[06:28] <notdenizen> could someone tell me the 'Ubuntu way' to compile a kernel ? Preferably with the default config, I've not needed to make any changes yet but need a source tree in order to install nvidia drivers ..
[06:28] <lightbade> Kokey's the man! my cdrom drive is detected again :D
[06:28] <OddAbe19> bassinboy, xorg is only in hoary which is testing and unstable
[06:28] <OddAbe19> don't install it on warty
[06:29] <bassinboy> k, thanks
[06:29] <dimon_> could anybody, please, help me with a USB Flash drive? How can I get files from it?
[06:29] <OddAbe19> warty uses a hacked, uptodate version of xfree
[06:29] <wezzer-> dimon_: so it doesn't automount itself?
[06:29] <randabis-wireles> yeah if you want x.org you're gonna wanna update to hoary
[06:29] <dimon_> wezzer: it used to, but it doesn't anymore!
[06:29] <wezzer-> umm, strange
[06:30] <wezzer-> check that you have automount-option enabled
[06:30] <randabis-wireles> but be prepared for headaches...I had plenty of them when I first upgraded this laptop to hoary
[06:30] <OddAbe19> randabis-wireles, i haven't had anyproblems, but it varies
[06:30] <wezzer-> Computer -> Desktop prefs -> Removable media
[06:30] <bassinboy> should i comment out glcore?
[06:30] <dimon_> wezer: it beeps every time I plug and unplug the drive, but nothing happens
[06:30] <OddAbe19> bassinboy, yes, do everything you would normally do
[06:30] <bassinboy> randabis-wireles: can you update from warty? or download anyother CD ?
[06:31] <bassinboy> so glcore and dri is all i need to comment out right?
[06:31] <randabis-wireles> Abe, heh cool...I had a forced resolution of 640x480, no network, and sound was funky at first
[06:31] <OddAbe19> lol
[06:31] <dimon_> wezer: I don't have "removable media" in prefs!
[06:31] <randabis-wireles> bassin' you have to change your sources.list, then do an apt-get update and an apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:31] <OddAbe19> bassinboy, yes, and you install hoary if your adventourous
[06:31] <OddAbe19> and are willing to take a chance
[06:32] <OddAbe19> with things breaking all the time
[06:32] <randabis-wireles> don't expect everything to work right away
[06:32] <wezzer-> dimon_: umm, do you have gnome 2.8?
[06:32] <bassinboy> k, i will stick with warty for now and install hoary on another partition
[06:32] <bassinboy> should i comment out Section "DRI"
[06:32] <dimon_> wezer: how do I find out: gnome --version?
[06:32] <jakeracter> is there a file i can edit to change what refresh rates are available to me in "screen resolution preferences" ?
[06:33] <OddAbe19> bassinboy, you can if you want
[06:33] <mroth> dimon_: try running gnome-version
[06:33] <randabis-wireles> xorg.conf or XF86Config-4
[06:33] <bassinboy> OddAbe19: i dont know, should i?? lol
[06:33] <randabis-wireles> depending on what you're running
[06:33] <OddAbe19> it's not critical, i do, but i only have one monitor
[06:33] <OddAbe19> and i game, that's it
[06:34] <dimon_> hmm -- I don't have gnome-version... something broken?
[06:34] <randabis-wireles> <3 streamtuner...all sorts of neato stations
[06:34] <wezzer-> mroth: that didn't work on me, I have Gnome 2.8 anyway
[06:34] <wezzer-> dimon_: do you have ubuntu? warty or hoary?
[06:34] <wezzer-> have installed something related to gnome?
[06:34] <bassinboy> brb
[06:37] <Ileden> hmm, is there a music player for linux that would have equivalent functionality to Winamp Media Library?
[06:37] <randabis-wireles> rhythmnbox
[06:37] <HostingGeek> mako: you know you can file a compalte with google for that search
[06:37] <randabis-wireles> wow
[06:38] <HostingGeek> 0_0 nespilt
[06:38] <randabis-wireles> must have been a netsplit
[06:38] <randabis-wireles> ouch
[06:38] <OddAbe19> holy crap
[06:38] <OddAbe19> i hate when that happens
[06:38] <bassinboy> doh, X wouldn't start!
[06:38] <froust> wb :P
[06:38] <HostingGeek> randabis-wireles: well what do you think it was
[06:38] <Ileden> ok, thanks! I'll have to check out rythmbox.
[06:38] <bassinboy> OddAbe19: couldn't load nvidia module
[06:38] <Jaen34> hi... I have a silly question
[06:38] <randabis-wireles> it doesn't have mp3 support ouch of the box
[06:38] <OddAbe19> bassinboy, i would just download the binary off of nvidia's site
[06:38] <HostingGeek> LOL
[06:38] <OddAbe19> that's what i use
[06:39] <randabis-wireles> jeez
[06:39] <bassinboy> OddAbe19: thank
[06:39] <bassinboy> s
[06:39] <randabis-wireles> double netsplit
[06:39] <OddAbe19> lol
[06:39] <OddAbe19> holy crap
[06:39] <HostingGeek> tripple coming up
[06:39] <Jaen34> i have dowloaded the live cd iso and extracted it
[06:39] <Jaen34> with WinISO, i have burned it on a CD, but my comp won't boot from it
[06:39] <HostingGeek> make it 3
[06:39] <Ileden> randabis-wireles: well, I mostly use oggs anyway. and I can install mp3 support manually for it, right?
[06:39] <froust> Jaen34: is your bios setup to boot from cd?
[06:39] <jakeracter> when i turn my resolution up to 1024x768 in "screen resolution preferences," i only have the option of 61hz.  how do i change that?
[06:39] <randabis-wireles> yes sir
[06:39] <randabis-wireles> gstreamer-mad
[06:39] <Jaen34> yes, it is froust
[06:39] <randabis-wireles> that will enable mp3
[06:39] <froust> hrm.
[06:39] <Ileden> great!
[06:40] <Jaen34> it reads the cd, then boots windows
[06:40] <OddAbe19> hmmm... gotta go
[06:40] <OddAbe19> class
[06:40] <OddAbe19> later all
[06:40] <froust> sounds like your iso burn didn't work
[06:40] <HostingGeek> #freenode is where to whine when a netspilt happens
[06:40] <Jaen34> i burned a standard cd-rom. Should i have added anything to the iso?
[06:40] <randabis-wireles> haha
[06:41] <randabis-wireles> this station is pretty nifty
[06:41] <froust> was there a "burn image" option or anything like it?
[06:41] <froust> afk... class
[06:41] <kent> why does netslpit happens? is it when they take down the irc-server on a server?
[06:42] <crimsun> loss of synchronisation, usually
[06:42] <Jaen34> nope... But it seems i should have chosen "CD_ROM (boot)" on Nero
[06:42] <Jaen34> could that be it?
[06:42] <froust> if you use nero
[06:42] <froust> start nero burning rom, close the wizard
[06:42] <zAo^> When will Ubuntu be compiled for > i386
[06:42] <froust> then under "recorder" choose "burn image" and select the .iso
[06:42] <HostingGeek> mako: i'll be more intrested at the google ads that come up when we search your name 0_o
[06:43] <notdenizen> nvidia-glx lists a version of 1.0.6111 in aptitude. Is it worth installing the more recent drivers from the nvidia website ?
[06:43] <randabis-wireles> yes
[06:43] <randabis-wireles> the newest nvidia drivers give performance boosts in most games
[06:43] <notdenizen> randabis-wireles, thanks :)
[06:43] <Jaen34> Ok, froust. I'll give a try to that
[06:43] <Jaen34> Thanks very much!
[06:43] <froust> should work
[06:43] <froust> :)
[06:43] <randabis-wireles> does hoary have 66.29? (checks)
[06:44] <HostingGeek> froust: slap ati
[06:44] <Jaen34> :) i'll be back.... cheerio
[06:45] <randabis-wireles> *slaps ati*
[06:46] <froust> the bastards
[06:46] <randabis-wireles> yep, hoary has 66.29
[06:46] <randabis-wireles> nifty
[06:47] <poningru> froust: what ati card do you have?
[06:47] <froust> AIW 9700 Pro
[06:47] <poningru> woah nm
[06:48] <froust> ?
[06:48] <poningru> they dont have the drivers for that
[06:48] <poningru> iirc
[06:48] <froust> i wish they did
[06:49] <froust> my screensavers barely run
[06:52] <imi> hi
[06:52] <randabis-wireles> greetings
[06:53] <imi> the other user on my system can't login. after gdm, it says that it cant read .iceauthority. what's wrong? i havent done anything. i've created this user and i have no problems here
[06:56] <imi> brb
[07:03] <MM2> graphical cd burner in ubuntu?
[07:03] <MM2> is there even? :)
[07:03] <seb128> nautilus-cd-burner
[07:04] <randabis-wireles> k3b
[07:06] <MM2> k3b Hmmmm..... I love it :)
[07:08] <MM2> nautilus-cd-burner isn't in menus?
[07:12] <thully> hi - which daily build of the hoary live CD is the best one to use at this point?  the current daily didn't work for me.
[07:12] <jakeracter> any idea how i change the max refresh rate that gnome's "screen resolution preferences" will allow me?
[07:12] <wastrel> jakeracter: that would be in your x server config wouldn't it?
[07:14] <jakeracter> i've been trying to edit XF86Config-4 to fix it, but maybe i'm doing something wrong; i calculate a "modeline" with gtf and then add it in the 'monitors' section, then add the name of the modeline to the "Modes" line - the result is that my new mode is unavailable from gnome's tool.
[07:14] <wastrel> did you restart X?
[07:15] <jmhodges> ok, i really want to buy something from IBM now that i've read about their recent patent release..
[07:15] <BockBilbo> anyone knows a good cd cover website?
[07:15] <BockBilbo> *audio cd
[07:16] <jakeracter> amazon
[07:16] <wastrel> i just bought an ibm laptop
[07:19] <jakeracter> should i upgrade to hoary or is that going to be a big pain in the ass? ;)
[07:20] <restrex> ajja
[07:20] <bassinboy> ok, fresh warty install. Got the nvidia drivers. it seems like every time i do smart upgrade things get broken, for instance, the nvidia drivers never work on the kernels it installs
[07:20] <restrex> is your computer is slow, i don't recommend u hoary jakeracter :/
[07:20] <restrex> ifyour computer is slow, i don't recommend u hoary jakeracter :/
[07:20] <jakeracter> ok, thx
[07:21] <restrex> you're welcome..
[07:21] <trey3> jakeracter: hoary will be a pain at times... but for the most part it seems very good  :)
[07:22] <trey3> restrex: what does computer speed have to do with upgrading to hoary?
[07:22] <restrex> mm I think a p 3 1000 Mhz with 256 ram is relatively good trey3
[07:22] <trey3> jakeracter: understand its a development branch, as such, its rather unpredictable...
[07:23] <restrex> yeah, that is a certain point :/
[07:24] <trey3> restrex: speed has NOTHING to do with it... connection speed will make for a bigger annoyance if you're not going to get the CD Images... but not even that is a show stopper...
[07:24] <jmhodges> wastrel: hows it treating you?
[07:25] <wastrel> jmhodges: it hasn't arrived yet i ordered it last night :] 
[07:25] <jmhodges> ahhh hehe
[07:26] <wastrel> nethack
[07:28] <Kamion> wastrel: indeed
[07:29] <wastrel> <3 nethack
[07:31] <BockBilbo> is there a way to translate into spanish the new menus in hoary?
[07:32] <tritium> bassinboy, don't upgrade kernels if there's not an upgrade to restricted-modules as well
[07:32] <__daniel> hai everyone
[07:33] <dud> hi there
[07:33] <crimsun> 'lo.
[07:34] <bassinboy> tritium: doh
[07:34] <dud> crimsun, thanks for the help on k3b. its back to its old good shape now
[07:34] <bassinboy> tritium: stick with old kernel?
[07:34] <crimsun> dud: excellent.
[07:34] <__daniel> i am on a system with no installed grub boot block, have an amd64 processor and only an i386 live cd - grub-install on the livecd doesnt work - any idea, what i could do?
[07:34] <bassinboy> tritium: i just upgraded, and haven't rebooted
[07:35] <tritium> bassinboy, to avoid problems with nvidia drivers not working with new kernels
[07:35] <__daniel> apart from downloading an amd64 live cd and HOPE cdrecord works
[07:35] <tritium> bassinboy, then you probably have different version numbers for linux-image and linux-restricted-modules now
[07:36] <bassinboy> tritium: k, hmmmm.... *thinks what to do*
[07:36] <tritium> bassinboy, if you're using apt-get, try using the "-u" switch to see what it's going to do before you let it actually do it
[07:37] <tritium> assuming you just upgraded your 2.6.10 kernel, boot into your 2.6.9 kernel at next boot to get into X
[07:37] <bassinboy> tritium: using synaptic ...... also, how do i find out what kernel /vmlinuz is ?
[07:37] <bassinboy> /boot/vmlinuz rather
[07:38] <__daniel> bassinboy: ls /l /boot/vmlinuz
[07:38] <__daniel> bassinboy: oh... damn english keyboard: ls -l /boot/vmlinuz
[07:38] <tritium> bassinboy, dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz* or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep linux
[07:39] <BockBilbo> is there an alternative to http://apt.cerkinfo.be/ 's apt's source mentioned in the RestrictedFormats wiki page?
[07:39] <trey3> bassinboy: ls -l /vmlinuz and see where its symlinked too...
[07:40] <bassinboy> thanks all
[07:40] <tritium> bassinboy, use dpkg so you know what package it belongs to
[07:40] <tritium> and to get version information
[07:40] <trey3> tritium: he wants to know what /vmlinuz is... its kinda obvious once he figures that part out  :/
[07:40] <bassinboy> i found a restricted modules for the version of the kernel and am going to install it
[07:40] <BockBilbo> hey trey3
[07:40] <bassinboy> everything should work right?
[07:41] <trey3> BockBilbo: hey
[07:41] <trey3> bassinboy: linux-restricted* should be installed automatically due to linux-* being installed... check that its not first...
[07:41] <tritium> trey3, no, 2.6.10-1 doesn't tell you that it's version 2.6.10-5
[07:42] <tritium> that's why ls /boot won't work
[07:42] <tritium> it doesn't tell you the version number
[07:42] <bassinboy> linux-image-2.6.8.1-4-amd64-generic: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-4-amd64-generic
[07:43] <SirFred> Hi
[07:43] <tritium> right now linux-image-2.6.10-1 is at version 2.6.10-5, while linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-1 is only at version 2.6.10-3
[07:43] <BockBilbo> :s
[07:43] <BockBilbo> it seens that one of the repositories for restricted formats is down
[07:43] <bassinboy> tritium: oh crap, so it wont work?
[07:43] <trey3> tritium: just means they've built linux-restricted* 2 less times  :)
[07:43] <BockBilbo> can anyone help me with it?
[07:43] <SirFred> My souncard Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 has stopped working after the last kernel update.
[07:44] <trey3> should be compatible still though :/
[07:44] <tritium> trey3, no, not true
[07:44] <bassinboy> good,
[07:44] <Kamion> tritium: yes, true
[07:44] <SirFred> I load the module by hand, but I have no soundcards.
[07:44] <SirFred> Any idea?
[07:44] <crimsun> SirFred: lsmod|grep snd_cs46xx
[07:44] <BockBilbo> Julieta Venegas
[07:44] <BockBilbo> not that
[07:44] <BockBilbo> lo
[07:44] <SirFred> crimsun: It's loaded
[07:44] <BockBilbo> l
[07:44] <Kamion> tritium: those two packages don't come from the same source package, so you shouldn't expect their versions to be in sync
[07:44] <BockBilbo> http://apt.cerkinfo.be/
[07:44] <tritium> Kamion, that's what I was saying
[07:44] <Kamion> tritium: the "2.6.10-1" part of the package name is the bit that states compatibility
[07:44] <Kamion> tritium: what trey3 said was correct
[07:45] <bassinboy> well, the restricted-modules-2.6.1-4-amd64-generic wasn't even installed
[07:45] <crimsun> SirFred: grep 46XX /boot/config-`uname -r`
[07:45] <trey3> tritium: they are all dumped into /lib/modules/2.6.10-1-$ARCH ... so yes they will...
[07:45] <Kamion> bassinboy: install linux-amd64-generic, that's the easiest way
[07:45] <tritium> that's not the case.  the nvidia modules from -3 aren't working with the -5 kernel-image
[07:45] <tritium> I've verified it
[07:45] <Kamion> tritium: then that's a bug, please report
[07:45] <bassinboy> ok, thanks all!
[07:45] <SirFred> grep 46XX /boot/config-`uname -r`
[07:45] <SirFred> CONFIG_SND_CS46XX=m
[07:45] <SirFred> CONFIG_SND_CS46XX_NEW_DSP=y
[07:46] <crimsun> SirFred: are you using warty or hoary?
[07:46] <Kamion> tritium: and please state clearly what versions are involved, because there *was* an ABI problem with linux-image 2.6.10-5
[07:46] <SirFred> crimsun: Hoary
[07:46] <SirFred> crimsun: I've also tested with pci=routeirq
[07:46] <tritium> trey3, are you using nvidia drivers?
[07:46] <trey3> tritium: no
[07:46] <SirFred> crimsun: Because I read in the dmesg that some drivers could be broken on that way
[07:46] <crimsun> SirFred: are you using 2.6.10-5?
[07:46] <SirFred> crimsun: cat /proc/asound/cards
[07:46] <SirFred> --- no soundcards ---
[07:47] <tritium> trey3, if you were, you could not start X with 2.6.10-5 kernel with 2.6.10-3 restricted-modules
[07:47] <SirFred> crimsun: Humm.
[07:47] <SirFred> crimsun: One second.
[07:48] <tritium> Kamion, what do you mean by *was*?  Was it fixed?
[07:48] <SirFred> crimsun: Version: 2.6.10-4
[07:48] <SirFred> crimsun: I updated yesterday.
[07:48] <SirFred> crimsun: I'm seeing that there's an update available.
[07:49] <SirFred> crimsun: Well, I'm going to update. Thanks.
[07:49] <bassinboy> it worked ^_^!!
[07:49] <randabis-wireles> seems to be a gaim update in hoary
[07:49] <randabis-wireles> doing another dist-upgrade
[07:50] <BockBilbo> lol
[07:51] <cmg_> hi.. has anyone used Nagios?
[07:51] <Kamion> tritium: supposedly fixed in 2.6.10-5 ...
[07:52] <Kamion> but perhaps not
[07:52] <tritium> Kamion, it just worked for bassinboy.  I couldn't get into X with 2.6.10-5 this morning, but it was updated again today I believe.  I'll reboot now and check.
[07:54] <trey3> Hmm... gnome feature freeze is tomorrow huh?  :)   seems so stable already though  :)
[07:54] <notdenizen> hi all, I'm having some problems with rhythmbox. It doesnt seem to play mp3s, and attempting to install gstreamer0.8-mad gives the error "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad"
[07:54] <notdenizen> errmm
[07:54] <notdenizen> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:54] <trey3> notdenizen: enable universe
[07:54] <phyberoptix> apt-cache search gstream
[07:55] <notdenizen> ahhh k, thanks :)
[07:56] <trey3> tritium: any better?  :)
[07:56] <tritium> trey3, yeah, looks like 2.6.10-5 was fixed :)
[07:57] <tritium> works with restricted-modules-2.6.10-3 now
[07:58] <Kamion> there's no "old 2.6.10-5" and "new 2.6.10-5", only 2.6.10-5 - so my guess is you hadn't rebooted before and were still running 2.6.10-4
[07:58] <mchasard> hello
[07:58] <tritium> Kamion, maybe it was broken with 2.6.10-4, and the update I recall from today was 2.6.10-5
[07:59] <Kamion> yes, it was broken with 2.6.10-4
[07:59] <Kamion> that was the reason for 2.6.10-5
[07:59] <Kamion> see the changelog :)
[07:59] <tritium> That explains it then
[07:59] <__daniel> re
[07:59] <mchasard> i just a new gnoppix version 0.9.2 b5 but its not a live cd ... its only for installation ?
[07:59] <wastrel> gnoppix eh
[08:00] <trey3> wastrel: gnoppix = ubuntu live cd
[08:00] <trey3> wastrel: one in the same right now.
[08:00] <cmg_> has anyone used Nagios?
[08:00] <__daniel> so did anybody come up with a clever idea to get my amd-64--but--only--a--i386-live-cd--without--grub--boot-block--problem sorted out?
[08:00] <wastrel> heh i didn't know.
[08:00] <trey3> cmg_: nope... sorry  :(
[08:00] <cmg_> :((
[08:00] <Kamion> mchasard: it looks like the installer, but it's not - keep going
[08:01] <tritium> trey3, my misake earlier ;)
[08:01] <mchasard> its a real live cd so ? strange ?
[08:01] <tritium> mistake
[08:01] <trey3> tritium: its cool  :)
[08:01] <mchasard> Kamion are you sure ?
[08:02] <Kamion> mchasard: how far have you got?
[08:02] <zAo^> Who can help me with SSH?
[08:02] <zAo^> I get this:
[08:02] <zAo^> It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed.
[08:02] <zAo^> The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is
[08:02] <zAo^> 01:61.................................
[08:02] <zAo^> Please contact your system administrator.
[08:02] <Kamion> zAo^: ask the sysadmin of the remote host if they've changed the host key
[08:02] <zAo^> Well, its my own laptop :)
[08:02] <Kamion> have you changed your host key? :)
[08:02] <zAo^> No, i didnt :S
[08:03] <wastrel> remove the host key from the known hosts file
[08:03] <Kamion> anyway you can edit ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[08:03] <zAo^> on which machine?
[08:03] <mchasard> so i download another time if its really a live cd use ...
[08:03] <mchasard> and not an installation
[08:03] <Kamion> fine to do that for localhost or whatever, but never do it for a remote host without checking
[08:03] <__daniel> zAo^: the one you're typing at
[08:03] <trey3> zAo^: from the client.. you can try ssh -R...
[08:03] <Kamion> zAo^: the client
[08:03] <zAo^> thanks all :D
[08:03] <Kamion> mchasard: it uses the first half of the Ubuntu installer
[08:03] <mchasard> and after ?
[08:04] <Kamion> mchasard: then it pivots into a normal live-CD environment
[08:04] <mchasard> it will begin like a live cd  ?
[08:04] <Kamion> mchasard: if it reaches the partitioning stage of the installer, something's wrong, but it hasn't done anything to your system yet
[08:04] <Kamion> mchasard: that's what I said, yes
[08:04] <Kamion> the UI is still rough, we'll be improving it
[08:04] <mchasard> ok fine i'll redownload it and test ...
[08:04] <mchasard> thanks
[08:05] <mchasard> is there a tool to save configuration ?
[08:05] <Kamion> so if it reaches the partitioning stage, reboot and report a bug
[08:05] <Kamion> dunno, don't think so yet
[08:05] <Lucar> alguem ai fala portugus ???
[08:05] <__daniel> how are chances that i386-cdrecord will work on my amd64?
[08:05] <notdenizen> will ubuntu support my iPod and PocketPC ?
[08:05] <mchasard> just for information whan a new livecd ubuntu please ?
[08:05] <Kamion> what's wrong with amd64 cdrecord?
[08:06] <Kamion> mchasard: that gnoppix image *is* an Ubuntu live CD image, I built it myself
[08:06] <__daniel> Kamion: i'm on a i386-livecd and have no bootrecord on my hard disk
[08:06] <trey3> Kamion: ahh... livecd for i386... grub issue... pay attention  :P
[08:06] <Kamion> hm, actually I wonder if it's identical
[08:06] <Kamion> __daniel,trey3: I just build the images, I don't know about what's inside them
[08:06] <mchasard> ok Kamion thanks ...but i didn't find it in the uguntu web page
[08:06] <__daniel> Kamion: and grub-install complains about some /lib/grub/i386...
[08:06] <trey3> Kamion: haha  :)
[08:07] <Kamion> mchasard: actually, no, I tell a lie
[08:07] <__daniel> so i hope after downloading the amd64-livecd i'll be able to burn it with cdrecord
[08:07] <Kamion> mchasard: the gnoppix CD isn't quite the same as ours, but I believe they're using the same processes
[08:07] <Kamion> mchasard: it's not on the web site because it's still in really heavy development. patience, grasshopper
[08:08] <mchasard> is there another things changed concerning connexion cause with the previous ubuntu or gnoppix , no way to connect me to the web ....????
[08:08] <bretzel> Hwo to add other keyboard language layouts which are not installed on disk ?
[08:08] <mchasard> ok i understand ...
[08:08] <Kamion> it's on cdimage.ubuntu.com if you're brave
[08:09] <__daniel> damn... everyone in this house uses MY adsl line, but none of them have a CD burner *cry* i'll find out in 1h10m
[08:17] <chapter3> hello all
[08:18] <chapter3> any ideas why netstat would be defunct, and i can't kill the process?
[08:18] <VivekVC> ubuntu is not able to play sounds on my 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4)
[08:18] <VivekVC> AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) souncard.
[08:18] <trey3> VivekVC: lsmod | grep ac97
[08:19] <trey3> VivekVC: modprobe snd-ac97 if its not there... else I don't know...
[08:19] <crimsun> (it's snd-intel8x0)
[08:23] <VivekVC> trey i get a FATAL: module snd_ac not found
[08:24] <trey3> VivekVC: eh... I was thinking of 'ac97', modprobe what crimsun said  :)
[08:25] <crimsun> VivekVC: is there an integrated modem on that motherboard as well?
[08:25] <VivekVC> crimsun: No i have a cable modem
[08:25] <VivekVC> Linksys Cable modem
[08:26] <crimsun> VivekVC: I'm referring to your motherboard. Please check via `lspci -v'.
[08:32] <ixus_123> Anyone got the link to the unoffical geting started guide?
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB UHCI #1 (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB UHCI #2 (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB UHCI #3 (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801BA/CA/DB/EB/ER Hub interface to PCI Bridge (rev 81)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) LPC Bridge (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) Ultra ATA 100 Storage Controller (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBM (ICH4) SMBus Controller (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:01:03.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[08:32] <tritium> ixus_123, it's in the topic
[08:32] <VivekVC> sorry for flooding
[08:32] <VivekVC> It was not intentional
[08:33] <crimsun> VivekVC: is this on warty?
[08:33] <VivekVC> crimsun: yep
[08:33] <crimsun> VivekVC: have you tried booting with acpi_isa_irq=7 ?
[08:34] <VivekVC> crimsun: no
[08:34] <ixus_123> cheers tritium :)  I got it
[08:34] <ixus_123> lost all my bookmarks :(
[08:34] <trey3> ixus_123: you mean www.ubuntuguide.org?
[08:34] <ixus_123> yeah - th
[08:34] <ixus_123> anks
[08:35] <tritium> ixus_123, :)
[08:35] <ixus_123> I filled up my / partition & the system went crazy
[08:35] <ixus_123> so I have reinstalled just now
[08:35] <trey3> tritium: you help write it?  :o
[08:36] <crimsun> excellent. mozilla-thunderbird 1.0 is in Hoary.
[08:36] <VivekVC> crimsun: How do i boot with ascpi_isa_irq=7, could you g
[08:36] <VivekVC> oops
[08:36] <crimsun> VivekVC: when you reboot, at the grub menu, type e, then append acpi_isa_irq=7, then hit enter, then hit b
[08:38] <VivekVC> crimsun: could you tell me what acpi_isa_irq=7 does exactly, i got
[08:38] <VivekVC> the rest e for edit and b for boot in the grub menu
[08:38] <VivekVC> sorry for too many questions, just trying to learn.
[08:38] <ixus_123> right, bbl - some hefty updating to do. . .
[08:38] <zAo^> any FTD4Lin users here???
[08:40] <tritium> trey3, no, sure didn't
[08:40] <tritium> you?
[08:42] <tritium> Is that to order flowers?
[08:48] <dud> hmm, this cerkinfo.be has such bad availability...
[08:48] <dud> someone should make a mirror
[08:50] <crimsun> what's on cerkinfo.be?
[08:51] <dud> ... i dont need cerkinfo.be perhaps?
[08:51] <dud> its supposed to have restricted formats
[08:51] <dud> according to the wiki
[08:51] <crimsun> I can't even load it
[08:51] <trey3> dud: according to whats on there via the wiki... no... those things are in universe
[08:52] <dud> erm, right... ill just remove it heh
[08:52] <trey3> Someone should get rid of it on the wiki too... enless libdvdcss2 isn't in universe?
[08:53] <trey3> (Only thing I saw listed for it that I'm not sure about?)
[08:53] <crimsun> it's not.
[08:54] <trey3> eh... then thats why its listed.... know of a faster mirror for it?
[08:54] <trey3> s/mirror/repo/
[08:54] <euphoria> hi all
[08:54] <crimsun> I only know of marillat's
[08:54] <trey3> euphoria: hey
[08:54] <crimsun> (at least that's what apt-cache show confirms for my sources.list)
[08:55] <euphoria> can help me in try to config a external modem conceptronic
[08:55] <trey3> crimsun: hmm... k... I'm gonna go clean that up on the wiki  :)
[08:55] <euphoria> im make pppconfig fine
[08:55] <dud> i suspect having that cerkinfo in my sources.list might have made a few more conflict than id need to have...
[08:56] <crimsun> it's most healthy for one's sanity to keep one's sources.list trimmed
[08:56] <dud> so very true indeed
[08:56] <pw> Is today a good day to start tracking hoary?
[08:57] <pw> Or is it all horribly borked?
[08:57] <euphoria> in put "pon" and the modem light move and speaker work, im listen the sound when make a dial and negociaction but disconnect a 40 sec. later
[08:57] <crimsun> pw: nothing seriously broken atm
[08:57] <pw> crimsun: Ta.
[08:57] <chapter3> any ideas why netstat would be defunct, and i can't kill the process?
[08:58] <dud> tried sudo kill -9 <pid>?
[08:58] <punkrockguy318> when I try to print something, the page wont print and it tells me that I don't have permision to /dev/lp0... i can temporaril change it by doing chmod a+rwx /dev/lp0, but that resets everytime i reset.. what can i do?
[08:58] <crimsun> did a nic module oops?
[08:58] <chapter3> dud: yep, does not kill it
[08:58] <trey3> crimsun: ahh... nm... actually its there only for gstreamer0.8-lame  :/
[08:58] <punkrockguy318> i'm using hoary btw
[08:59] <crimsun> -lame? ouch.
[08:59] <crimsun> chapter3: did a nic module oops?
[08:59] <chapter3> i dunno, how can i check?
[08:59] <punkrockguy318> anyone?
[08:59] <crimsun> chapter3: dmesg (don't paste)
[08:59] <chapter3> what would i look for?
[09:00] <crimsun> chapter3: an OOPS
[09:00] <crimsun> punkrockguy318: are you in the 'lp' group?
[09:00] <dud> paste to pastebin.ca :)
[09:00] <dud> excellent pastebin with shorturls and no highlighting
[09:00] <punkrockguy318> crimsun, yeah
[09:01] <chapter3> dmesg | grep -i oops doesn't return anything, do you mean the literal string "oops"/
[09:01] <wastrel> whorey
[09:01] <crimsun> chapter3: you can also grep for "EIP"
[09:01] <punkrockguy318> pw, horey?
[09:01] <chapter3> crimsun, nothing returned on that either
[09:02] <crimsun> chapter3: what do ps and top report concerning the netstat?
[09:02] <punkrockguy318> pw, i spelled hoary right...
[09:02] <chapter3> kev@home [~] $ ps aux | grep netstat
[09:02] <chapter3> kev       5385  0.0  0.0     0    0 ?        Z    06:56   0:00 [netstat]  <defunct>
[09:02] <pw> chapter3: have you got a shell that's lost its tty?
[09:03] <chapter3> how can i check for that?
[09:03] <trey3> chapter3: you've tried pkill -HUP netstat and -9 if that doesn't work?
[09:04] <chapter3> sudo pkill -HUP netstat  didn't work
[09:04] <trey3> chapter3: else only way to kill it is to restart... (zombie)
[09:04] <punkrockguy318> crimsun, any other ideas about my printer?
[09:04] <chapter3> it is a recurring zombie tho, no ideas as to why?
[09:04] <crimsun> punkrockguy318: sorry, not familiar w/ that
[09:05] <punkrockguy318> okay thanks anyway!
[09:06] <dud> i dont think ive ever experienced a process not being able to be killed with -9 during my 4 years of linux usage
[09:06] <dud> except maybe for when the kernel paniced years ago..
[09:06] <Kamion> zombies and D-state processes typically don't respond to SIGKILL
[09:06] <dud> hmm...
[09:06] <euphoria> in put "pon" and the modem light move and speaker work, im listen the sound when make a dial and negociaction but disconnect a 40 sec. later. the pppconfig are fine configured
[09:07] <euphoria> is external modem
[09:07] <euphoria> serial
[09:07] <seth_> is there a way to "see" for how much time ubuntu as been on the system ?
[09:07] <chapter3> seth_: uptime
[09:07] <wastrel> uptime ?
[09:07] <seth_> uptime?
[09:07] <seth_> no
[09:08] <seth_> not... "on"
[09:08] <Kamion> ls -l /var/log/debian-installer?
[09:08] <trey3> seth_: no...
[09:08] <crimsun> seth_: look at the earliest date in ls -l /
[09:08] <seth_> installed on the pc
[09:08] <Kamion> crimsun: not reliable because dpkg preserves build times in .debs
[09:08] <crimsun> Kamion: ah, true.
[09:08] <seth_> crimsun ok, i was asking for a command or something
[09:08] <Kamion> the logs in /var/log/debian-installer should tell you when it was installed
[09:08] <crimsun> the installer log
[09:10] <trey3> dud: "little" explaination of a zombie: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/faq/part3/section-13.html  :P
[09:11] <dud> trey3, thanks :)
[09:12] <dud> its nice to be able to soak up some new knowledge even after such long unix usage...
[09:15] <euphoria> im goo, see you later
[09:17] <elk_Brad> ok, i've installed Samba, yet i still can access my xp machine's resources through a bridged connection (virtual)
[09:18] <crimsun> can or _can't_?
[09:18] <elk_Brad> can't
[09:19] <crimsun> hmm, I presuming you're using vmware?
[09:19] <dud> heh, it would be nice if someone just came here and told us that something worked for once :D
[09:19] <dud> that would be so nice
[09:19] <crimsun> presume^
[09:19] <wastrel> my mouse is working
[09:19] <adomanski> Does anybody know how to add menu entries to the "Computer" menu?
[09:20] <elk_Brad> yes sir!
[09:20] <elk_Brad> i am!
[09:20] <elk_Brad> i can see my xp machine
[09:20] <elk_Brad> and in xp i can see ubuntu
[09:20] <elk_Brad> but ubuntu can't access my xp machine
[09:21] <elk_Brad> i even made sure that permissons were on all 7s
[09:21] <chapter3> have you used the Shared Folders option in vmware?
[09:21] <elk_Brad> yes
[09:22] <skreet> Why dont I have mp3 support? Is that not included in ubuntu?
[09:22] <adomanski> install gstreamer-mad
[09:22] <skreet> kay
[09:22] <wastrel> debianism :] 
[09:23] <skreet> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer-mad ? :P
[09:23] <dud> you never need to have 777 permission mask
[09:23] <dud> its unsafe and extremely bad practise
[09:23] <dud> imho anyhow
[09:23] <adomanski> well you should find it
[09:24] <adomanski> search for gstreamer and then scroll down to mad
[09:24] <skreet> I dont have it in Synaptic at all
[09:24] <skreet> I did just that Adomanski
[09:24] <dud> gstreamer0.8-mad or something isnt it?
[09:24] <skreet> It's not in here. :P
[09:24] <elk_Brad> im not on a network or nor do i have the internet
[09:24] <elk_Brad> at home
[09:25] <adomanski> it is 0.6.4-5
[09:25] <dud> skreet, do you have universe and multiuniverse apt sources?
[09:25] <wastrel> you'll have to download the package somewhere else and but it on a disk
[09:25] <skreet> dud: I have whatever is default. :P
[09:26] <adomanski> then you SHOULD have Synaptic
[09:26] <skreet> I have Synaptic, but it's not *in* Synaptic
[09:26] <adomanski> ?
[09:26] <skreet> ... It's pretty simple really
[09:26] <skreet> I search for "gstreamer"
[09:26] <skreet> and theres nothing with -mad tailing.
[09:27] <adomanski> did you try to install from a terminal?
[09:27] <skreet> yep
[09:27] <skreet> Nothing.
[09:27] <skreet> gstreamer-0.8-mad is not a package.
[09:27] <skreet> i think i need a different universe to get it if i remember correctly.
[09:28] <adomanski> the package name is gstreamer-mad
[09:28] <adomanski> not *-08*
[09:28] <skreet> Either way.
[09:28] <skreet> no luck.
[09:28] <dud> yeah, you need to add the universe and multiverse package repositories to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:28] <dud> look at the wiki for instructions
[09:30] <Cloudchaser> does anyone here use scribus?
[09:30] <hypa7ia> Cloudchaser: yup
[09:30] <adomanski> so, does anybody know how to add a menu entry to the "computer" menu?
[09:31] <Cloudchaser> i'm searching/googling to find out why i only have one font in scribus...i installed the ms core fonts
[09:31] <chapter3> oh, is anybody aware of a good hard drive benchmarker for linux?
[09:32] <ali1234> chapter3, hdparm -tT /dev/hda
[09:32] <Cloudchaser> oh...i found them ;) had to click on a little tiny arrow so now i can see other fonts ;)
[09:33] <Cloudchaser> hypa7ia, did you compile the newest version 1.2.1 from cvs?
[09:34] <chapter3> ali1234: ty :)
[09:34] <Scognito> hi all
[09:34] <hypa7ia> Cloudchaser: no, i just use it from universe.... and i haven't had that font problem... oh, you got it fixored :-)
[09:34] <bassinboy> what do i install for DVD support?
[09:34] <Cloudchaser> hehe yah i just installed it and still trying to find my way around it.
[09:34] <hypa7ia> is anyone runnign a rage 128 card on a pc with the ati drivers working?
[09:34] <Scognito> is there a way to speedup the boot process on ubuntu? (expecially the udev section)
[09:34] <dud> libdvdcss2 or something?
[09:35] <Cloudchaser> hypa7ia, supposedly the 1.2.1 version is much faster but i read in their mailing list someone having issues compiling it with ubuntu
[09:35] <rutty_> http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[09:38] <Scognito> hello...
[09:38] <dud> heh, its weird... but with all the bells and whistles of the graphical scientific calculators GUIs out there... i always end up using plain python CLI for calculating stuff
[09:38] <dud> i just love the command line hehe
[09:39] <crimsun> heh, sounds like me. The reason I use X Windows is to open up a massive number of terminal emulators ;)
[09:40] <ali1234> python is hardly a "plain" CLI... the truly hardcore would use dc :)
[09:41] <bassinboy> does anyone use ubuntu for amd64 here?
[09:41] <MegaTux> how to install the Smart http://smartpm.org/ in the Ubuntu? They do not repair my English :/ I am using altavista.vom I am of Brazil
[09:41] <rutty> Anyone have a good resource for nVidia performance issues? I've tried the usual suspects ;)
[09:42] <rutty> Got agpgart/NvAGP problems
[09:42] <ali1234> rutty, performance or stability?
[09:42] <rutty> performance
[09:42] <rutty> I'm trying to get Half Life 2 running with Cedega
[09:42] <rutty> nearly there too
[09:42] <wastrel> what's cedega
[09:43] <rutty> WineX
[09:43] <HaRDaWaY> cedega is winex
[09:43] <dud> crimsun, if it wasnt for the ease of having X windows for webpage browsing and such, im pretty sure id be using pure command line linux
[09:44] <rutty> I'm trying to avoid having to recompile the kernel to turn off agpgart so I can play with NvAGP
[09:44] <rutty> Still a bit of a n00b ;)
[09:44] <ali1234> well if agpgart is compiled in to your kernel as opposed to a module you probably wont have much luck...
[09:45] <tritium> rutty, can you blacklist it?
[09:45] <rutty> Nope
[09:45] <tritium> not a module?
[09:45] <rutty> No, not a module either I'm afraid
[09:45] <rutty> I should get decent performance with agpgart though right?
[09:45] <rutty> If I configure it right at least
[09:46] <tritium> yeah, you should
[09:46] <tidalwav> quit
[09:46] <tidalwav> oops
[09:46] <tidalwav> ll
[09:46] <crimsun> rutty: did you recompile your kernel? If not, agpgart is a module and thus can be blacklisted.
[09:46] <Ensiferum> what's the purpose of group "hal"? Can i safely change it's id?
[09:46] <pw> 426 packages upgraded.
[09:46] <pw> Eep, basically :)
[09:46] <rutty> It's not in /etc/modules
[09:46] <crimsun> rutty: for instance, I'd have to blacklist via_agp and agpgart
[09:47] <_martin> It takes a minute for me to log on.  Any pointers on where I can look for the problem? I run Warty.
[09:47] <rutty> OK, hang on need to reread a forum entry on that
[09:48] <bassinboy> does anyone use ubuntu for amd64 here?
[09:48] <crimsun> I'm certain at least a few do.
[09:48] <mjr> yes
[09:48] <AndyR> lo ppl
[09:49] <tritium> rutty, lsmod | grep agpgart
[09:49] <_martin> I got a few errors in .xsession-errors, related to gnome-panel
[09:49] <bassinboy> mjr: what repositorys do you use?
[09:49] <rutty> agpgart                33704  2 via_agp
[09:50] <tritium> you can blacklist it then
[09:50] <mjr> bassinboy, umm, warty, warty-security and warty-updates?
[09:50] <rutty> ah, thanks - whereabouts though?
[09:50] <bassinboy> mjr: oh, hmm, what do you do about playing a DVD?
[09:50] <tritium> /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[09:51] <hypa7ia> using an sblive 5.1, it's super quiet... any ideas?
[09:52] <rutty> Thanks guys, will bin out of X and try that :)
[09:54] <mjr> bassinboy, oh, for that, totem-xine and a libdvdcss package referenced from here: http://debian.video.free.fr/
[09:56] <bassinboy> mjr: thanks
[09:58] <bassinboy> why does ubuntu-desktop have to be removed for totem-xine
[09:58] <Kamion> in hoary, it doesn't
[09:58] <hypa7ia> ebcause it's a metapackage that depends on totem
[09:58] <Kamion> ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage; if you don't want to follow our default desktop, you can remove it
[09:58] <bassinboy> what's ubuntu-desktop?
[09:58] <wastrel> it's ok to remove it
[09:59] <wastrel> it won't actually remove any software from your system
[09:59] <bassinboy> oh ok, good
[09:59] <hypa7ia> bassinboy: Kamion and i just answered that
[10:00] <dr_willis> but if you watn all your installs to follow the default then you install it and it 'cleans' up any customizations? or what dioes it do exactly? just a list of OTHER packages to install?
[10:00] <bassinboy> thanks
[10:00] <wastrel> it's just a list of other packages to install
[10:00] <dr_willis> so by reinstalling it - ya wouldent some how 'clean' or 'reconfigure' your tweaked system eh?
[10:00] <Kamion> not particularly
[10:01] <dr_willis> packagemanagement - can get to be such a.... interesting topic. and so ... :P deep.
[10:01] <Kamion> it's just the desktop seed written out in dependency form
[10:01] <dr_willis> soo many pros and cons as to how to set thigs up and just how far to go . but not go too far as to annoy the end user.
[10:02] <wastrel> installing it shouldn't remove anything... unless one of its dependencies conflicted with something you'd installed i suppose...
[10:02] <Kamion> wastrel: well that's precisely the issue with its totem-gstreamer dependency in warty
[10:03] <wastrel> fun fun
[10:04] <Abu_Zakariya> Hi everybody! I'm new to Ubuntu/Debian. I followed the starter guide and added the repositories there, but I was wondering if there is somewhere I can find a list of mirrors, since I live in Denmark... I have tried to find some but no luck so far...
[10:04] <Tomcat_> Abu_Zakariya: There are no other Ubuntu mirrors than the primary one.
[10:05] <tidalwav> Hi, everyone
[10:05] <tidalwav> so yeah, I installed apache from the instructions at ubuntuguide.org
[10:05] <tidalwav> apache 2
[10:05] <mchasard> i just try the last ubuntu ...in the gnoppix web page
[10:05] <mchasard> and it doesn't wotk ...
[10:05] <tidalwav> and I was wondering if there is a way to change the default server path from apache2-default to something else
[10:05] <tidalwav> because I can't find it in the apache2.conf file anywhere
[10:06] <virus> Does anyone use Evolution 2.1.2 (in hoary) here? It seams that POP3 is broken - it simply doesn't fetch my mails and I get the error message: "Error while fetching Mail. - Cannot get POP summary: Operation now in progress."
[10:06] <bassinboy> gmail?
[10:06] <dud> i prefer thunderbird myself, but evolution works as well for me in hoary
[10:06] <virus> Just a POP3 Mailserver.
[10:07] <Abu_Zakariya> Tomcat_: Thanks
[10:08] <dud> virus, can you telnet onto the pop3 server?
[10:08] <dud> just to see if you can contact it?
[10:08] <tidalwav> no one knows how to change the default htdocs folder for apache2?
[10:09] <Tomcat_> tidalwav: I'm pretty sure it is in some config... maybe not apache2.conf
[10:09] <ixus_bbl> how would I get hold of hoary?  I thought it wasn;t coming out until April?
[10:09] <tidalwav> Tomcat__: well, thanks for the help ;)
[10:09] <Tomcat_> Not that I really said anything new. ;)
[10:10] <tidalwav> ...exactly. lol
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[10:10] <Tomcat_> But I'm really sure it's in the config... the problem is that the Linux Apache config is usually spread over more than 1 file.
[10:12] <virus> dud, that POP3 server -works- for real.
[10:13] <virus> Connected to pop3.web.de. \n Escape character is '^] '. \n +OK WEB.DE POP3-Server
[10:13] <virus> If it wouldn't work - several million web.de users would be without mail today. :)
[10:14] <pw> If I can see a USB device in the device tree, but it's not being spotted by the hotplug/discover/whateveritis system, how can I prod things into life?
[10:14] <dr_willis> pw,  wjat kind of device?
[10:14] <pw> digital camera
[10:14] <pw> it usually just pops up as sda1
[10:14] <pw> (on the desktop)
[10:14] <dr_willis> that should i'd think show up as usb-hard drive. hmm but it dident show up this time eh?
[10:15] <dr_willis> try Unplug/Plug it back in?
[10:15] <dud> virus, just incase you were firewalled or has some general tcp/ip troubles ;)
[10:15] <dud> the power of elimination you know...
[10:15] <pw> Right and yes.
[10:15] <pw> Also swapped USB-port.
[10:16] <dr_willis> i recall SOME kernels/usb devices had issues where the device HAD to be pluged in when the sustem first booted..
[10:16] <dr_willis> but i cant remeber what/when/versiosn had this issue
[10:16] <pw> hmm
[10:16] <pw> it's even autoprobing all the modules
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[10:16] <pw> so it's there
[10:16] <pw> it's just not turning up gnome-wise.
[10:16] <pw> hmm.
[10:19] <rutty> quit
[10:19] <rutty> doh!
[10:21] <bassinboy> what is the source for updates?
[10:22] <virus> dud, I'm behind a firewall, but the NAT is working fine. :)
[10:22] <virus> dud, an OpenBSD system running for almost a year now. :)
[10:22] <bassinboy> cool
[10:25] <dud> well, im off to bed folks
[10:25] <dud> cheers
[10:29] <esuji> hey
[10:30] <Ensiferum> hoy
[10:30] <skreet> My gnome panels arnt displaying, what should I do?! :P
[10:32] <randabis-wireles> I had that problem too...
[10:32] <randabis-wireles> it just randomly went away
[10:32] <skreet> Yep
[10:32] <crimsun> Obviously you should stab yourself in the eyes and run away.
[10:32] <skreet> I tried that
[10:33] <crimsun> darn
[10:33] <skreet> Now I have a intermediary typing for me.
[10:33] <crimsun> ;p
[10:33] <randabis-wireles> my eyes grew back
[10:33] <skreet> So tell me how to get my panels back :D
[10:33] <wastrel> killall gnome-panel
[10:33] <skreet> randabis-wireles, did you get them working again
[10:33] <wastrel> gnome-panel &
[10:33] <wastrel> the gnome-panel & is probably unnecessary
[10:33] <crimsun> are you using 2.9.4-0ubuntu2?
[10:33] <skreet> Whatever comes with it man :D
[10:33] <randabis-wireles> skreet they randomly came back on one of my reboots
[10:33] <skreet> Havent played around much yet.
[10:34] <skreet> I rebooted and they're still gon e:((
[10:34] <skreet> and gnome-panel "command not found"
[10:34] <skreet> thats probably bad right?
[10:34] <skreet> :D
[10:34] <randabis-wireles> I'm using the latest that's in hoary
[10:34] <randabis-wireles> so I guess 2.9.4
[10:34] <skreet> I'm on warty
[10:34] <randabis-wireles> ah, mine went away in hoary
[10:35] <randabis-wireles> then they came back one of the times I rebooted and never disappeared again...
[10:35] <skreet> Wow package "gnome-panel" isnt installed...apparently.
[10:35] <randabis-wireles> heh
[10:35] <randabis-wireles> that could be a problem
[10:35] <skreet> I dont know htf that happened
[10:35] <skreet> but i'm installin git
[10:35] <skreet> 2.8.1-0ubuntu2
[10:35] <rutty> Heh, managed to get my NvAGP working, eventually
[10:36] <Ensiferum> linux is crap
[10:36] <rutty> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6237&page=1&pp=10 <- was helpful
[10:36] <skreet> Ensiferum, Is that so?
[10:36] <rutty> Performance is still pants though
[10:36] <froust> *cough* troll *cough*
[10:36] <Ensiferum> samba just fucked up. lost a file
[10:36] <randabis-wireles> linux > you
[10:37] <randabis-wireles> nfs > samba
[10:37] <skreet> windows file sharing SUCKS :9
[10:38] <bjantscher> hi! ubuntu crashes the most time when i try to boot it. i'm quite sure i'ts because of my cd-drive (/dev/hdc) how can i skip a scanning and auto-adding to fstab at boottime?
[10:39] <Ensiferum> see
[10:39] <Ensiferum> open source is crap
[10:39] <randabis-wireles> trolls *_*
[10:41] <skreet> Wow looks like crap in d3d, runs at 1.0fps, and crashed in opengl :(
[10:41] <ZzeCoOl> skreet: vga?
[10:41] <Wulf_> skreet: WoW doesn't work with opengl at all, this is a known problem
[10:42] <Wulf_> skreet: but d3d works fairly well
[10:42] <omniwork> hey folks. i'm having an issue with wine. the version that comes with it is really outdated. i browsed the ubuntu forums and found a deb repo for a newer version (deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/Ubuntu/apt/ binary/). my problem is the people on the forum say winesetuptk is deprecated and you shouldn't use it now. so how am i supposed to get this running without the config file generator?
[10:42] <Wulf_> skreet: what's your glxgears score?
[10:43] <ZzeCoOl> ??
[10:43] <ZzeCoOl> omniwork:
[10:43] <chapter3> 2067.400 FPS
[10:43] <ZzeCoOl> if oyu have wine
[10:43] <chapter3> there's gotta be somethin wrong there haha
[10:43] <ZzeCoOl> when you run it for the first time it gonna generate i think a config file
[10:43] <ZzeCoOl> or something
[10:44] <randabis-wireles> heh my glx score is like 90 fps on this laptop :p
[10:44] <skreet> Wulf: 12000-15000 fps.
[10:44] <skreet> Wulf: I literally get 1 fps in d3d
[10:44] <ZzeCoOl> chapter3: no there is no mistake or an error
[10:44] <skreet> Wulf: You play in linux?
[10:44] <chapter3> oh :)
[10:44] <randabis-wireles> lolz 53 fps
[10:44] <ZzeCoOl> they are very simple textures..... with very low polygon ocunt
[10:44] <dr_willis> Wulf_,  i'd heard with WoW ya got to use a slightly older version of the nvidia drivers.
[10:44] <Wulf_> I have ati card :(
[10:45] <randabis-wireles> no wonder
[10:45] <dr_willis> Wulf_,  bummer :p lol
[10:45] <randabis-wireles> ati is da sux0r in linux
[10:45] <omniwork> ZzeCoOl: yeah, it isn't generating one
[10:45] <omniwork> it does do something the first time i run it, but there's no ~/.wine/config file
[10:45] <BockBilbo> hello
[10:45] <rutty> Anyone know how to enable "Fast Write" with nVidia?
[10:46] <ZzeCoOl> Wulf_: hahahaahahahahahahah you have an ATi and you are trying to play games .....and after all you are disaponted for the 1 FPS??? YOU HAVE TO BE very happy cause it can start the Game
[10:46] <rutty> getting there slowly ;)
[10:46] <omniwork> i may have found a workaround..
[10:46] <BockBilbo> where is the samba config tool in hoary's new menus?... i cannot find any .... in warty is located in network-admin
[10:46] <tritium> rutty, were you able to blacklist agpgart?
[10:46] <rutty> No
[10:46] <BockBilbo> anyone knows?
[10:46] <tritium> Why not?
[10:46] <tritium> What happened?
[10:46] <Wulf_> ZzeCoOl: when I try to play WoW I have about 0.3 fps
[10:46] <wastrel> hrm
[10:46] <rutty> I had to rmmod -f them from out of x
[10:46] <Wulf_> I'd be happy about 1 fps!
[10:46] <chapter3> if i'm having slow video problems (just redraw is slow), should i try to use NvAGP?
[10:46] <ZzeCoOl> WoW have a linux version of the game?
[10:46] <ZzeCoOl> or cedega?
[10:46] <rutty> the modprobe my nvidia back in
[10:47] <Wulf_> cedega
[10:47] <ZzeCoOl> i see
[10:47] <ZzeCoOl> Wulf_:  try this
[10:47] <ZzeCoOl> and telle me
[10:47] <ZzeCoOl> tell me
[10:47] <rutty> cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[10:47] <rutty> Status:          Enabled
[10:47] <rutty> Driver:          NVIDIA
[10:47] <rutty> AGP Rate:        4x
[10:47] <rutty> Fast Writes:     Disabled
[10:47] <rutty> SBA:             Disabled
[10:47] <randabis-wireles> rawr flooder
[10:47] <rutty> Always been disabled before
[10:48] <rutty> sorry....
[10:48] <ZzeCoOl> ....go to screensaver menu and change it to flury...or something and then at his settings select Best
[10:48] <tritium> rutty, you're using nvidia's agp
[10:48] <ZzeCoOl> and test the server .....tell me if it works or your disply just goes blanc
[10:48] <tritium> not the kernel's agpgart
[10:48] <randabis-wireles> let's make ubuntu juice
[10:48] <rutty> tritium, yup
[10:48] <ZzeCoOl> server * i meen screensaver
[10:48] <ZzeCoOl> @#@!#$
[10:49] <ZzeCoOl> i mean
[10:49] <ZzeCoOl> agrg
[10:49] <randabis-wireles> argarga
[10:49] <randabis-wireles> I can do that too
[10:49] <randabis-wireles> wowzers
[10:49] <tritium> You didn't say that earlier.
[10:49] <tritium> You said you had trouble blacklisting agpgart
[10:50] <tritium> Anyway, if NvAGP is what you wanted, you've got it now.
[10:50] <rutty> Ah, it always defaulted to agpgart
[10:50] <rutty> NvAGP never started because of it
[10:51] <bjantscher> hi! ubuntu crashes the most time when i try to boot it. i'm quite sure i'ts because of my cd-drive (/dev/hdc) how can i skip a scanning and auto-adding to fstab at boottime?
[10:51] <tritium> Well, if you were not using NvAGP now, your status would say "Status: Disabled"
[10:51] <rutty> This is the first time NvAGP has run, once i killed agpgart
[10:51] <rutty> It's always said disabled before
[10:51] <tritium> did you add "agpgart" to /etc/hotplug/blacklist ?
[10:52] <rutty> yup, it starts anyway
[10:52] <tritium> rutty, there may be another agp-related module loading
[10:52] <tritium> lsmod | grep agp
[10:53] <tritium> e.g. intel_agp
[10:53] <skreet> I went from 1600x1200 desktop to 1280x1024 game, and now i have a 1280x1024 desktop with a virtual of 1600x1200, how do i fix this?!
[10:53] <chapter3> i have an nvidia agp card, why is nothing outputted when i do: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[10:53] <rutty> tritium, no output
[10:54] <tritium> rutty, that's good
[10:54] <rutty> Yeah, performance still isn't all that though
[10:54] <tritium> Sorry to hear.  I need to go.  Bye.
[10:54] <rutty> Got a Geforce 4 MX440 which works ok under windows
[10:54] <rutty> thanks for the help ;)
[10:55] <tritium> for what it was worth, sure
[10:55] <randabis-wireles> rutty linux 3D performance is lower than windows presently
[10:55] <randabis-wireles> not much you can do about it
[10:56] <chapter3> i have an nvidia agp card, why is nothing outputted when i do: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[10:56] <techn9ne> theres not enough ppl using linux to make it worth the companies making it good
[10:57] <Prower> randabis-wireles: I guess that's subjective, I get higher FPS rates in ET in Linux than in Windows
[10:57] <randabis-wireles> depends on game
[10:57] <randabis-wireles> I'm just saying in genereal
[10:57] <randabis-wireles> general
[10:58] <Prower> Not sure it's true in general either :> Realtime rendering in Maya seems good, most of the 3d applications I've used don't seem noticeably slower in Linux than in Windows
[10:58] <rutty> randabis-wireles, you may be right. I've not got HL2 working properly in any distro yet
[10:59] <rutty> Ubuntu has been the best so far :)
[10:59] <ZzeCoOl> Prower: if you have an nvidia yes...if you have an ATi this is another ...story
[10:59] <randabis-wireles> heh I pitty the fool who trys to play half life on a friggin GF4MX...lol
[11:00] <randabis-wireles> hl2 is overrated anyway
[11:00] <rutty> lol, plays fine in 'dose ;)
[11:00] <sulkd> how do I make a udev device? I keep losing /dev/hda* devices.. should I really be using the /.dev ones?
[11:00] <rutty> Maybe I really do need to upgrade though
[11:00] <randabis-wireles> yessir
[11:01] <randabis-wireles> there be dragons out there
[11:02] <sri|work> sulkd, there's a nice article on udev at http://www.redhat.com/magazine/
[11:03] <sri|work> http://www.redhat.com/magazine/002dec04/features/udev/ to be accurate
[11:03] <randabis-wireles> omfg what is it with punk bands and covering every stupid song in existance?
[11:03] <sulkd> sri|work, thx
[11:04] <thully> So, what's the most reliable way to install hoary at the moment, out of curiosity
[11:04] <sulkd> randabis-wireles, no skills?
[11:04] <randabis-wireles> :)
[11:04] <crimsun> thully: dist-upgrade from warty.
[11:04] <randabis-wireles> yessir
[11:06] <lil_anthony> question: when mounting a drive with smbfs how do you do the dmask and fmask i'm trying mount -t smbfs <path> <mount point> -o rw -dmask=0222 -fmask=0222 with no luck :(
[11:08] <lil_anthony> nevermind i got it was forgetting my commas and no -
[11:09] <chapter3> i have an nvidia agp card, why is nothing outputted when i do: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[11:11] <Prower> chapter3: Possibly because you aren't using the NVidia drivers
[11:12] <chapter3> hmm, i've installed nvidia-glx
[11:13] <Prower> chapter3: Hmm...and nvidia-kernel as well?
[11:14] <chapter3> ii  nvidia-kernel-common           1.0.6111+1ubuntu1
[11:14] <Necrosan> how the fuck do i force a laptop to use the acpi shit
[11:14] <Necrosan> oh, was I a little too blunt? ;)
[11:14] <Prower> chapter3: Oh, okay...well, try running modprobe nvidia in a console, then see if the thing in /proc comes up
[11:14] <Necrosan> I know it's an option appeneded to the boot line.
[11:14] <Necrosan> But what is it?
[11:14] <Necrosan> It said the bios is too old to use (pre-99), but windows used it properly
[11:15] <Necrosan> so I assume that linux can use acpi safely
[11:15] <randabis-wireles> acpi=on
[11:15] <calamari> hi
[11:15] <randabis-wireles> but it usually defaults to on anyway
[11:15] <Necrosan> randabis-wireles: That's it? Nothing special? And where should I put that to keep it a permanent option?
[11:16] <randabis-wireles> menu.lst
[11:16] <Necrosan> randabis-wireles: Also, it won't turn on because the bios is pre-99, but it is safely usable with ACPI
[11:16] <Necrosan> acpi=on will force it, correct?
[11:16] <randabis-wireles> yes it should
[11:16] <randabis-wireles> I think you put it in the kernel line of menu.lst
[11:16] <Necrosan> okay, awesome
[11:16] <Necrosan> also, how do I upgrade to alsa 1.07?
[11:16] <Necrosan> is there a guide>
[11:17] <im_ka> hi
[11:17] <__daniel> *grmbl!*
[11:17] <im_ka> what is the bootstrap protocol?
[11:17] <crimsun> Necrosan: as a caveat, you'll want a 2.6.10 kernel for decent acpi support
[11:18] <Necrosan> damn.
[11:18] <BockBilbo> where can i add a launcher for the application menu?
[11:18] <Necrosan> This laptop is already bloated enough..
[11:18] <BockBilbo> applications://?
[11:18] <Necrosan> It's only a 233mhz w/ 96mb ram
[11:18] <crimsun> Necrosan: my motherboard, for instance, refuses to work with acpi in any stable kernel prior to 2.6.10
[11:18] <crimsun> applications:///
[11:18] <crimsun> ^ tried that, BockBilbo?
[11:18] <Prower> crimsun: Weird...haven't had any problems here
[11:18] <BockBilbo> crimsun, i had yes
[11:18] <BockBilbo> ..
[11:18] <chapter3> Prower: i tried "modprobe nvidia", gave no output, and the cat /proc/... still didn't output anything
[11:18] <im_ka> i have the server and the client port for bootstrap protocol closed but not stealth by default
[11:18] <crimsun> Prower: but do you have a Via Apollo?
[11:18] <BockBilbo> but it doesnt work in hoary
[11:18] <BockBilbo> :s
[11:18] <randabis-wireles> hah
[11:19] <randabis-wireles> sweet master of puppets
[11:19] <BockBilbo> crimsun, do you know how to access to it in hoary???
[11:19] <Prower> crimsun: No, I have a good one ;>
[11:19] <crimsun> chapter3: look at /proc/driver/nvidia/version
[11:19] <Prower> chapter3: Weird...not sure what might be going on there
[11:19] <Prower> (I used NVidia's installer, though)
[11:19] <crimsun> BockBilbo: not off the top of my head, seb128 probably does
[11:19] <chapter3> kev@home [/etc/X11] $ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
[11:19] <chapter3> NVRM version: NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module  1.0-6111  Tue Jul 27 07:55:38 PDT 2004
[11:19] <chapter3> GCC version:  gcc version 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-9ubuntu5)
[11:20] <BockBilbo> seb128, do you know how to access to the application menu via nautilus in hoary?
[11:20] <Prower> chapter3: Oh, okay...well the module must be working, then :>
[11:21] <seb128> BockBilbo: this part of code has been dropped
[11:21] <chapter3> any other checks/test?
[11:21] <BockBilbo> it has???
[11:21] <BockBilbo> :S
[11:21] <seb128> BockBilbo: there is no graphically editor for the menu atm
[11:21] <BockBilbo> so... how do i add programs to the menu?
[11:21] <seb128> you can get a debian submenu if you install menu and menu-xdg which has all the entries for the stuff installed
[11:22] <seb128> or add .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications/
[11:22] <BockBilbo> .... but the debian submenu is too messy
[11:22] <BockBilbo> :s
[11:23] <Prower> seb128: What do you mean by dropped?
[11:23] <seb128> removed, deleted
[11:24] <BockBilbo> seb128, and what happened with the samba config part of the network admin program?
[11:24] <seb128> moved to shares-admin
[11:24] <Prower> seb128: From Gnome you mean, or just the Ubuntu version of it? :>
[11:24] <seb128> GNOME
[11:24] <Prower> Ahh, I see
[11:25] <BockBilbo> seb128, but in shares-admin it is not possible to configure the domain of the smb network
[11:25] <seb128> no, but that's the smb tools developped upstream now
[11:26] <BockBilbo> :(
[11:26] <BockBilbo> so... what do i have to do to configure my network? do it manually modifying smb.conf?
[11:27] <seb128> yep
[11:28] <randabis-wireles> xsmbrowser is a good little samba share viewer
[11:28] <Prower> smb://sharename in Nautilus can do it as well
[11:28] <BockBilbo> i know how to browse in samba ;)
[11:29] <BockBilbo> i just wanted to configure it whitout having to modify manually smb.conf
[11:29] <BockBilbo> :S
[11:29] <BockBilbo> i think hoary should have a smb config tool....
[11:30] <randabis-wireles> but configuring samba is sooooo fun....
[11:30] <randabis-wireles> :p
[11:30] <BockBilbo> lol
[11:34] <zenrox> BockBilbo, ya i agree
[11:34] <zenrox> nice and easy gui
[11:34] <BockBilbo> yes...
[11:34] <BockBilbo> :S
[11:35] <randabis-wireles> perhaps there is one already out there somewhere on internets
[11:35] <BockBilbo> its taking me to much time to configure it
[11:35] <BockBilbo> in warty i did it really fast
[11:35] <zenrox> randabis-wireles, ya but probly not for deb
[11:35] <BockBilbo> :S
[11:35] <BockBilbo> do any of you use marillat's repositories?
[11:35] <zenrox> i do
[11:35] <randabis-wireles> not really
[11:36] <randabis-wireles> not much use for it in hoary
[11:36] <Prower> Only for libraries, the mplayer port doesn't seem to work
[11:36] <BockBilbo> ....
[11:36] <BockBilbo> its giving me some errors
[11:36] <randabis-wireles> well, probably because it's not exactly compatible
[11:36] <BockBilbo> saying that the public key is not available..
[11:36] <sri> sulkd: np
[11:36] <BockBilbo> :s
[11:37] <BockBilbo> do i have smthing wrong? or is it normal???
[11:37] <zenrox> its normel
[11:37] <BockBilbo> oh...
[11:37] <zenrox> its the dep.s that sucks
[11:38] <BockBilbo> and how about the other repository mentioned in restricted formats wiki?
[11:38] <BockBilbo> (http://apt.cerkinfo.be/)
[11:38] <BockBilbo> do you guys use it?
[11:38] <zenrox> yep
[11:38] <zenrox> i use bolth
[11:38] <BockBilbo> and is it working right now zenrox?
[11:38] <zenrox> just not at the same time
[11:38] <BockBilbo> ... cause ive tried to use it today... and it doesnt seen to work properly..
[11:38] <zenrox> i havent tried to  get mplayer worken
[11:38] <BockBilbo> i wanted to download the gstreamer-lame
[11:39] <BockBilbo> mmm
[11:39] <BockBilbo> mplayer works for me...
[11:39] <BockBilbo> but i have a problem listening to mp3s
[11:40] <BockBilbo> i have the gstreamer-mad package instaled.. but.. somehow they dont sound... and froze the music app
[11:42] <randabis-wireles> maybe you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:44] <BockBilbo> randabis-wireles, i already have it
[11:44] <BockBilbo> mm
[11:45] <phyberoptix> [Quote #735]  I believe it should be legal to have an abortion up until the child gets a full time job, or leaves for college.
[11:48] <BockBilbo> well thanks you all
[11:48] <BockBilbo> im going to bed
[11:48] <BockBilbo> bye!
[11:57] <dags> how do one adjust the buffer for streaming in rhythmbox?