=== cartman [foobar@cartman.developer.konversation] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] niif [12:26] hrm.. off by one === Kamion finishes cdebconf patch for background titles [12:34] lqtplay.c:32:31: X11/extensions/Xv.h: No such file or directory [12:34] lqtplay.c:33:34: X11/extensions/Xvlib.h: No such file or directory === lamont grumbles, looks around for daniels [12:35] libxv-dev [12:35] yeah - libquicktime's bad, it appears. [12:35] then again, it's not an ubuntu version. [12:35] heh [12:36] btw, do these get forwarded to debian, or are they ubuntu specific bugs? [12:36] ubuntu-specific [12:36] ok === lexhider [~lexhider@dip-220-235-84-165.vic.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] lamont: new cloop builds? [12:37] should have finished a while back - checknig [12:38] Kamion: your turn [12:40] building === Simira [~rpGirl@m130j.studby.ntnu.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [doko@dsl-082-082-189-254.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@p508EB141.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] http://www.apple.com/macmini/ [12:59] hmm [12:59] lamont: pong. unable to reproduce the libunwind load error. [01:00] jdub: Yeah, it's quite cute [01:00] jdub: that one's _cute_--- [01:00] s,---,, [01:00] It'll be interesting to see how the x86 manufacturers respond [01:01] definitely a leap ahead of the shuttle [01:02] i wonder if they'll start doing laptop cd drive ports === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === __daniel [~daniel@td9091a39.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mxpxpod [~bryan@208.252.112.24] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] <__daniel> hai mxpxpod :-) [01:33] __daniel: ? [01:34] <__daniel> mxpxpod: wally@irc.gnome.org - you're right... i should try to stick to ONE nick :-) [01:34] __daniel: heh [01:34] mdz around? [01:34] doko: trying to remember what failure it was...sigh [01:35] lamont: yes [01:35] been thinking about ubuntu-meta [01:36] one option that would help non-dc architectures would be to have the seeds in the package, and let the arch-specific build do the rest of update === lupus_ [~lupus@dD5E03DC2.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] and we probably wind up needing a per-arch exclusion list, for things like oo.o (where making things currently arch-all into specific really doesn't make sense...() [01:36] thoughts? [01:37] the alternative is to teach update the canonical location of each non-dc arch build. [01:39] hm, makes it a bit hard to tell history from the source package [01:39] I think I prefer your latter option [01:39] that's the downside to the first option [01:41] as a hybrid, the build process could be enhanced to build the list from the local cache Packages files in the case where {base,desktop}-$arch don't exist in the source. [01:41] that gives us our history for dc builds, and flexibility for non-dc builds, with the downside on history [01:41] update just calls germinate, right? all that needs is a mirror ... [01:42] on the exclusion list, that's the current borkage of the livecd build for ia64. [01:42] update doesn't call germinate - it fetches the seeds [01:42] gar, yeah, true [01:42] and parses that, then removes anything not in the Packages lisdty [01:42] so it fetches seeds and Packages files for main,restricted for each arch [01:43] so if the source package had the seeds (think it does...) and the component list for each dc-architecture, and logic to just use the cache Packages file to generate things if the arch isn't present in the source, I think that would fit both sets of needs [01:43] since there may not be _one_ canonical repository for an archive, sometimes [01:44] the sparc and architecture: all case ... [01:44] daniels: are these in anything specific? [01:44] /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so [01:45] libice-dev libx11-dev [01:45] which are both in xlibs-dev, which should make Kamion happy ;) [01:45] I've been splitting my packages' build-deps up, dude :P [01:45] lamont: more ftbfs fun? [01:46] the same - it had warnings at the end. libice is a missing dep, the other isn't [01:46] at first blush, anyway [01:46] mind you, libice-dev is a dep of a build-dep, but still. [01:46] which package? [01:46] it's directly ref'ed by the package, it should be a build-dep [01:46] libquicktime [01:46] yeah [01:46] ahr, heh [01:47] uploading [01:48] daniels, how is xcb going? [01:48] mdz: did we decide on a ubuntu-desktop mta change? [01:48] or jdub [01:48] mdz: oh, live CDs built like an hour ago, sorry, forgot to check back [01:48] no, we haven't [01:48] Kamion: no problem, I'm hacking away on casper [01:49] mdz: neither have we decided to not change it? [01:49] Kamion: if I unpack a new version of a udeb in a running d-i, how do I get the templates merged into cdebconf? [01:49] lamont: correct [01:49] ok. eta end of month? or what? [01:49] mdz: debconf-loadtemplate d-i [01:49] mdz: but udpkg -i does that automatically [01:49] not that it makes a big diff, of course. [01:49] Kamion: and also udpkg --unpack? [01:49] if so, perfect [01:50] it's at unpack time, yes [01:50] the templates file gets removed before the end of unpacking, in fact [01:50] hmm [01:51] odd [01:51] I unpacked a new casper-udeb in a booted d-i to test it, and it won't run the postinst [01:51] which won't? [01:51] it claims that it exited nonzero, but I added an echo at the very top and it clearly isn't running it [01:51] the main menu won't [01:51] selecting it from the menu? [01:52] perhaps a dependency? [01:52] I haven't added any dependencies in this version, no [01:52] check /var/log/syslog ... [01:52] oh, there's the output [01:52] I thought stdout ended up on vc3 [01:52] only of some bits [01:52] debootstrap, e.g. [01:53] mostly it's vc4 [01:56] Kamion: "succeeded but requested to be left unconfigured?" eh? [01:56] how did I manage to break it in that particular way [01:56] that means you returned the back-up code [01:57] i.e. 10 [01:57] I only db_input once and it has || true [01:57] db_progress can't return backup, can it? [01:57] oh, maybe one of the subprocesses did [01:57] no, you probably didn't intend to return backup [01:57] I suspect you forgot to check the exit code on a debconf command which happens to have 10 as one of its exit codes [01:57] hm, no, I emit a debug message before running each one [01:57] and none of them came out [01:58] 10 is CMDSTATUS_BADQUESTION [01:58] hmm [01:58] generally meaning a template wasn't registered properly [01:58] lupus_: good, I think === ultrafunk [~pd@eth779.vic.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === usual [~colin@alb-69-202-45-196.nycap.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:00] Kamion: it is annoying that the debug/error output from casper is normally scrolled off the screen by the main-menu DEBUG [02:00] Kamion: is there a way to turn that off? [02:00] does this matter: [02:00] Setting up nautilus (2.9.2-0ubuntu1) ... [02:00] ** (process:27059): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed [02:00] ** (process:27059): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed [02:00] ** (process:27059): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed [02:00] Setting up gnome-applets-data (2.9.4-0ubuntu2) ... [02:01] mdz: I usually do 'tail -n /var/log/syslog' on the shell on tty2 rather than relying on tty4; then I have scrollback [02:04] mdz: I don't think busybox syslogd is configurable enough to suppress debug-priority messages === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-34-72.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:09] ok, I'm at a point where I need an un-broken live fs to play with === ultrafunk [~pd@eth779.vic.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:31] what was the command that dumps X events to stdout? [02:34] xev? [02:34] xev [02:34] either that, or snooping on /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 :) [02:37] yeah === lamont has 20 new buttons to play with... [02:37] daniels: so can I tell X to launch an app when a key is pressed? [02:38] 129 key wireless keyboard/mouse. [02:38] lamont: apt-get install hotkeys [02:38] or i think gnome has a hotkey daemon that isn't as ghetto [02:38] ditto kde [02:40] keyboard shortcuts? [02:40] yep === lamont goes to fire training === chrisa [~chris@nullcode.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:06] sucks about the wifi applet being replaced by netstatus === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] hrm... wvstreams appears to have dropped wvstreams-gtk package. [04:52] wonder if I care... === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea1-4-10-181-189.sea1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:00] Kamion: what are you doing awake? [05:01] Kamion: I've uploaded a casper 0.8 with the changes we discussed; it contains symlinks to the prebaseconfig.d and base-installer.d stuff for now, but it's easy enough to transition to having those symlinks in the other udebs [05:02] once it's built, I intend to fire off live CD builds and test them later tonight [05:04] mdz: I have absolutely no idea, about to go to bed :) [05:04] ok, cool, let me know if anything goes wrong with you running the build [05:04] lamont: builds should show up at :15 or so, yes? [05:04] I've been buried deep in cdebconf all day, only just emerging [05:05] I need to tackle the dpkg-reconfigure problem next [05:05] Kamion: this redesign reduced the XXX count in casper by a large margin [05:05] mdz: cron.daily runs at :03 (and:33), however there is time involved in getting from the master to the archive servers [05:05] only 7 remain [05:06] so yeah, by :15 :45 they're there [05:06] was neary double that before [05:06] -rw-rw---- 1 mdz mdz 299 2005-01-11 19:44 ../casper_0.8_source.upload [05:07] mostly I am grappling with twalk() being SHIT [05:07] I think that's a side effect of C being shit === lamont giggles... [05:07] wvstreams is ftbfs: build-deps universe.... sigh [05:08] libxplc0.3.10 libxplc0.3.10-dev [05:08] mdz: do I drop that, or do we promote it? [05:08] wvdial, how I hate thee [05:08] lamont: can we make it optional? [05:08] dunno -will look [05:08] that would be the preferred option [05:10] mdz: no, there are much better approaches to such APIs in C, twalk() just doesn't use them 'cos it's stupid [05:11] private data arguments are perfectly standard in C, but ... [05:12] mdz: looks to be easy to drop - you want it gone then? [05:12] lamont: yes === lamont has no clue what xplc is, of course... [05:12] lamont: we use very little of what's in wvstreams [05:12] only enough for wvdial [05:13] Kamion: is there any delay between when things show up on ftp://archive.ubuntu.com and when they're usable by a cdimage build? [05:14] no [05:14] cdimage syncs from archive.ubuntu.com directly [05:14] Kamion: does the cdimage build pull from archive.ubuntu, or j.w.h.c? [05:14] err, actually mirnyy but don't tell anyone [05:14] lamont: m.u.c [05:14] Kamion's gonna get in trouble.... :-) [05:15] hey, that was authorised [05:15] lol [05:15] lamont: it's past :15, where are my builds :-P [05:15] I need to go buy food, and want to start this download before I go [05:16] you uploaded at :44, source appeared at :03, builds started within 5 of that. binaries (assuing < 20 minute build...) will be there at :33, visible in the archive shortly thereafter. [05:16] GAH [05:16] remember, it takes 2 days... [05:17] hrmpf. [05:17] can you give me a reasonable guaranteed time so I can queue this build? [05:17] configure: WARNING: Valgrind is missing. [05:17] configure: error: Required dependencies missing: XPLC [05:17] make: *** [config.status] Error 1 [05:17] maybe we don't get to just drop xplc. [05:17] :40? [05:17] :45? [05:17] 40 almost certainly, 45 for sure. [05:17] the build for casper takes about 5 seconds [05:18] all 3 architectures? [05:18] yes [05:19] casper is arch: all, so it's sitting there uploaded, waiting for cron.daily to run at :03 [05:19] er, :33 [05:19] with gigabit, I'd say 40 is almost certain to be good. 45 is a good safe hedge bet [05:19] so about xplc... === lamont puts wvstreams back on the shelf to let mdz go get food === BradB [~bradb@modemcable017.14-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === randabis [~randabis@cs6710177-213.houston.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:51] mdz: a fair number of those universe ones are from the tiff crap... should we just sync those in? [05:51] if that was the change, that is... === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-222-13-66.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:45] don't we have "PENDING" in bugzilla anymore? === sivang wants to set a bug "resolved", and "PENDING" cause it's pending a new released upstream version. [06:57] morning [06:57] fabbione: morning, you kenrel sacrafice maker :) [06:57] eheh [06:58] fabbione: I really liked your goddish text - I thouhg of adopting it to use for my own needs :) [06:59] aahha [06:59] fabbione: anything good tunred out from last night [07:00] fabbione: kenrnel meeting ? [07:00] well yeah [07:01] we manage to define some bits of the team [07:04] fabbione: ah nice, so you would get some load off eventually. [07:05] hopefully [07:05] at least you'll have a nice 2-wk break in Feb :) [07:06] fabbione: so you could go and visit those huge turtles :) [07:06] crimsun: i am really looking forward to it [07:06] i am very very tired [07:07] I can imagine [07:07] sivang: + sealions and galapagos penguins [07:07] i read somewhere that there are 2 kind of birds called the "Blue tits" and "Red tits" [07:07] when i read it i imagine half woman brest running around on 2 blue little tiny feet [07:08] and the other half with red feet [07:08] it took me a hour to stop laughing [07:09] hehehe [07:09] fabbione: you need some time off the kernle... [07:09] s/kernel// [07:09] i need time off. <- full stop [07:09] hehe right === fabbione gives a spin to distcc [07:23] lamont: yes [07:30] haggai: thanks for kubuntu, I can now use konqeuror for (80%) the israeli non standards conforming websites :-) [07:32] mdz: what's the situation with livecd and co? [07:32] do i have greenlight for -6? [07:32] fabbione: I reworked casper a lot today [07:32] just built new images [07:33] downloading them now to test [07:33] mdz: ok [07:33] ah cool! i got a bunch of merging bugs.... [07:37] I just bought a new pack of DVD+RW === jamesh [~james@203-59-217-65.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:38] so I can have live + install CDs for every arch [07:38] lamont: if you're around, these images could use an extra download+test [07:39] fabbione: do you have good bandwidth at your new house? [07:41] mdz: a couple of megabit [07:42] mdz: casper can also be used to create install cd layouts for image creation? [07:42] sivang: no, casper only deals with setting things up [07:42] you provide your own filesystem image === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea1-4-10-181-189.sea1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:44] mdz: what would you like me to do? [07:44] mdz: ah ok, so what is it's main functionality? [07:46] ROCK [07:46] i386 and amd64 live CDs are good [07:47] except for this network detection bug [07:47] fabbione: if you could test the live CDs, that would be great [07:49] mdz: i have them mirrored locally.. when did you do the last build? [07:49] (i can test i386 only) [07:49] fabbione: 30 minutes ago [07:49] if you mirrored earlier today, then it should be fast (same filesystem image, different udebs) [07:49] syncing the mirror now... [07:49] yup [07:50] ubuntu mirror run every 4 or 6 hours... [07:50] and the last was at 6:30 [07:50] so one hour ago more or less === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [07:59] powerpc worked for me [07:59] there is this problem with network detection [08:00] but that seems like a d-i problem [08:00] live CD stuff is working great [08:00] mdz: burning now... === perdix [~perdix@134.102.101.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === plovs [~plovs@62.84.21.44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:16] elmo: please sync ispell-lt-1.1 from unstable [08:22] fabbione: sup? === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-2-220.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:23] daniels: not much.. doing some merge-o-matic stuff [08:24] BAHHHH [08:24] i fucked up this upload.... [08:24] fabbione: heh :) [08:24] fabbione: you were looking for me earlier? [08:25] daniels: only for the Horiz Vert bug.. but i saw it is still open.. so not really... === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:25] ahr [08:25] which one? [08:26] for the nv driver [08:26] which one? [08:26] oh, cool [08:26] i can't remember the number now.. but you wrote that it will be fixed in ubuntu10 [08:26] yeah, i'm on it :) [08:26] yeah, I typoed it [08:26] so i didn't really worry about it [08:26] or thinkoed, rather [08:26] Option "HS" "xx-yy" instead of HS xx-yy === fabbione waits for katie to tell him that he is an ass [08:31] ah great! [08:31] now.. even my most stupid debian package got a security bug [08:31] JEEEEEEEEEEEEEE [08:32] wow... katie accepted the upload.... [08:33] this is soooo wrong... [08:34] whevet... [08:34] whatever... === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:39] when I upload packages how do I specify which repository the are for (main, universe etc) [08:46] daniels: how are you feeling? [08:47] bah... this DVD burner is taking ages to write the cd [08:47] mdz: shit [08:47] mdz: but I am working on Debconf stuff [08:48] daniels: you have bandwidth now, right? [08:48] mdz: yeah [08:48] i'm actually capable of coherent trains of thought today [08:48] daniels: you can download the current daily live CD and use it to test in the real environment [08:48] though there is this debconf issue we need to sort out [08:48] something is really wrong on the machine [08:49] probably the best way to do it would be to add a script at /usr/lib/casper/pre.d/80xconfig or so [08:49] KERNEL: assertion (tp->copied_seq == tp->rcv_nxt || (flags & (MSG_PEEK | MSG_TRUNC))) failed at net/ipv4/tcp.c (1348) [08:49] KERNEL: assertion (flags & MSG_PEEK) failed at net/ipv4/tcp.c (1284) [08:49] recvmsg bug: copied 99770FBC seq 99771550 [08:49] which chroots into /target and does its business [08:49] hmm, no, that won't work [08:49] daniels: the problem is, we're running under cdebconf in the initrd at the time, and want to invoke dpkg-reconfigure in the target system [08:50] normal debconf in the target may not even run [08:50] and cdebconf doesn't know about the xserver-xorg templates [08:50] easiest to just let it boot all the way, and then use dpkg-reconfigure, I suppose [08:50] tried to so the clearing stuff yesterday, ended up with 'for i in $(cat debian/xserver-xorg.templates.in); do db_reset 3816; done' [08:50] that'll avoid that issue [08:50] a) we don't have templates.in on the install sstem b) even if we did, that didn't work, c) resettign a bug number is difficult [08:51] mdz: yeah, I'm modifying the semantics to just clear everything if we're running with XORG_FORCE_PROBE [08:51] sounds good [08:51] mdz: since the system is seemingly useless with XORG_FORCE_PROBE (note the renaming) but previously-set templates [08:57] mdz: the alsa-utils merge-o-matic has done a mess.... [08:57] mdz: i need keybuck to rerun it properly with the versions that are currently in the archive === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === randabis [~randabis@cs6710177-213.houston.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:11] howdy [09:13] mdz: booting now the live CD [09:14] mdz: no network here... i think it is the same bug you mentioned before [09:14] I was just wondering if any of the developers were here, and if they were aware of the problem with installing themes using the themes applet using the latest updates in hoary [09:15] fabbione: yes, I'm not sure what happened; that worked before [09:15] Kamion will probably have an idea when he wakes [09:15] I mailed him already [09:15] mdz: did you do a debdiff on the .udebs? [09:15] fabbione: which, all of them? [09:15] the nic-* stuff? [09:15] perhaps the modules are missing... [09:15] no, they're there [09:16] if I modprobe the right module, it works [09:16] mdz: i am sorry.. i don't remember all the names... [09:16] ah ok [09:16] mdz: well it boots.. no X [09:16] ddetect has barely changed [09:16] fabbione: yes, we need to resolve this debconf issue, and also daniels needs to finish his work [09:16] then we should be able to do X [09:16] cool [09:16] i need to fix the e100 driver and so some tests [09:16] fabbione: if you copy in a working config, you can do /etc/init.d/gdm start [09:18] ok [09:19] it works.... [09:19] are there any plans to remove libfam, it seems that some things don't like using libgamin, or perhaps its just dselect being a pita [09:19] but we need to change some of the d-i entries.. [09:20] it looks scary with "Ubuntu Install will take over your machine" [09:20] er don't like using libgamin as the provides for libfam i meant to say [09:20] eg i tried to install kde dev libs and it tried to remove all of gnome on ubuntu :\ [09:20] fabbione: yes, I mentioned this to Kamion [09:20] fabbione: suggestions for a better title are welcome [09:21] calc: they don't work, or the dependencies just don't resolve? [09:21] mdz: we could hide them in somekind of "Preparing to boot the Live CD" [09:21] fam is already moved out to universe [09:22] it appears dselect wants to remove them since the packages want libfam instead of accepting the fact that libgamin provides libfam [09:22] yay [09:22] fabbione: I would prefer to just make it generic, and say "loading components" or something [09:22] aspell-de is arch:any! [09:22] calc: do they have versioned deps or something? [09:22] mdz: i added universe to grap some of the kde stuff for dev which is when it started causing issues [09:22] no, i forced it to stop using libfam by manually selecting libgamin and all of gnome again and it worked [09:22] so perhaps its just dselect being braindead [09:23] mdz: that too... [09:23] fabbione: that is less scary than when it says "Sending all processes the KILL signal" :-) [09:23] yeah i saw that too :-)))) [09:24] KILL ALL HUMANS :) [09:24] ah, I see the bug in hw-detect [09:25] i wonder if the issue is since libgamin provides a package that really exists (non virtual package) that dselect decides to use the real one instead (higher priority) even when the package providing it is already installed [09:26] fix is on the way [09:27] calc: hrm, what's the problem? [09:28] what's the consensus with python? will python2.{1,2} go away? should I remove the building of python2.{1,2} packages in the merge I'm just doing (python-musicbrainz)? [09:29] mvo_: yes, we intend to remove python2.1 and python2.2 [09:30] jdub: if universe is added to sources.list and you try to install kde in dselect the fact that libgamin provides libfam doesn't matter dselect tries to remove libgamin and all of gnome along with it [09:30] if you manually go back and select libgamin and all of gnome it works ok [09:31] calc: does it work if you use aptitude or apt-get? [09:31] perhaps i should mention to kubuntu people to have it build with libgamin instead [09:31] mdz: not sure didn't try that [09:31] would be good to narrow it down [09:31] calc: i thought they already did that [09:31] i'll try to see what was attempting to pull in libfam [09:32] i installed kde-core kde-devel and something in that did it [09:33] mdz: thanks [09:33] appears libfam0c102 is in all kde deps [09:33] mvo_: however, I don't think anyone is currently working on fixing the packages to make that possible [09:33] mvo_: (hint, hint) [09:33] 4 versions of python is too much, I think :-) [09:33] mdz: :) I totally agree [09:34] or a very large amount of them [09:34] fabbione: ddetect fix confirmed and uploaded [09:34] too late for this morning's live CD build, though [09:34] kdeedu, kdevelop3, kdetoys, koffice and perhaps others, just from looking at rdeps list that is some i can see needing to be recompiled with it [09:35] if I am still awake when it builds, i will kick off a new live CD build [09:35] it appears that kdelibs itself is compiled against gamin already [09:35] mdz: cool [09:35] calc: ah [09:35] calc: none of those pages have been updated to 3.3.2 ubuntu versions [09:36] ok [09:36] then thats another good reason to update them ;) [09:38] mdz: it looks like we have ~200 packages (including universe) depending on python-2.{1,2} [09:39] mvo_: how many in main? [09:40] mdz: around ~10 it seems === calc tests his script [09:41] only 4 [09:41]