[12:10] <esac> what is ubuntu ?
[12:11] <pw> It's a user-friendly debian distribution with a nice installer and a desktop bias.
[12:11] <pw> debian-based, rather.
[12:11] <esac> ahhhh so i can ctrl-c my aptitude install and try it out ? :)
[12:11] <chapter3> how can i tell if agpgart was loaded upon boot?
[12:12] <ZzeCoOl> what is the shortcut to toggle between desktops? in X
[12:13] <ZzeCoOl> lsmod?? maybe
[12:13] <ZzeCoOl> lsmod | grep agpgard
[12:13] <chapter3> strange, it's not showing in lsmod
[12:14] <dags> ZzeCoOl, i dont think there is one by default. run gnome-keybinding-properties to set your own
[12:14] <chapter3> if i don't have agpgart running, and don't have nvagp running, wtf do i have?  anything?  :)
[12:14] <ZzeCoOl> hahaahah
[12:14] <ZzeCoOl> chapter3: then you are using the default fuck...ng drivers  that ubuntu have
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> like a windows default installation
[12:15] <chapter3> oh really?  eeek, that could explain the bad performance
[12:15] <chapter3> how can i use better drivers?
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> i dont know for nvidia any hot to site
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> i have ATi
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> :(
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> hot* how
[12:16] <ZzeCoOl> someone here must know
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> lsmod|grep agp
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> if agpgart is not available
[12:16] <chapter3> kev@home [~] $ lsmod | grep -i agp
[12:16] <chapter3> returns nada
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> nvidia will use nvagp automagically
[12:17] <chapter3> hmm
[12:17] <chapter3> one thing to note, when i do: cat /proc/drivers/nvidia/agp/status nothing is outputted
[12:19] <jintonic> how can i get my computer fans to not change speed, but just always stay fast?
[12:20] <jintonic> because i get this horrible noise when my cpu fan (i think) goes slower
[12:20] <ZzeCoOl> jintonic: ??????????? #$^%&%^*
[12:21] <ZzeCoOl> this is not a software problem for sure..... Maybe it is if you set up a program that contoling fan speed  cby comparing the Temps (but i dont think so)
[12:21] <ZzeCoOl> stupid keyboard stupid keyboard
[12:21] <jintonic> ZzeCool: the fans inside your computer have the ability to change speed based on stuff like the temperature of different things (which i think can be controlled by software)
[12:22] <kensai> Is hoary running ok right now?
[12:22] <kent> If only rhythmbox could be able to edit the id tags of my music collection :(
[12:22] <ZzeCoOl> witch i think is can be controled by entering your bios or RTFM for your motherboard
[12:22] <zenrox> how do i fix this ./uplink: relocation error: ./uplink: undefined symbol: __glutRoot
[12:22] <geppy> How can you make GAIM message windows flash on events?
[12:23] <ZzeCoOl> geppy do you know anyone that have this feature in gaim?
[12:23] <zenrox> geppy,  look in the options
[12:23] <geppy> I'm looking in the options, but I'm not finding it.
[12:23] <geppy> No, I don't know anyone with this feature in GAIM.
[12:23] <zenrox> geppy,  its thare
[12:23] <geppy> zenrox:  Where, exactly?
[12:24] <zenrox> hold on let me look
[12:24] <geppy> zenrox:  Alright, thanks.
[12:24] <jintonic> well, here's something that makes me think the linux kernel probably has some input into this horrible noise: then i run process intensive apps even for just an instant, the noise goes away... like if i run glxgears, as long as its running, as soon as it starts, the sound goes away
[12:24] <ZzeCoOl> jintonic: this is a psu problem
[12:25] <ZzeCoOl> you need to remove any huge fan from your tower
[12:25] <ZzeCoOl> or get a better PSU
[12:25] <zenrox> geppy, ok its not thare but you can tell it to raise the window on events
[12:25] <geppy> zenrox:  I see "Raise window on events" for the Buddy List Window, but nothing of the sort for conversations.
[12:25] <zenrox> in convertion
[12:25] <geppy> Oh, nevermind.
[12:25] <geppy> Thanks.
[12:25] <ZzeCoOl> i you use a peltier for water coooling or a cold cathod light... and stuff this things need power
[12:25] <ZzeCoOl> or big fans
[12:26] <kensai> there is just one package that sometimes when I upgrade in Hoary it kills my internet conecction, I hope this is fixed by now cause I'll updrade to hoary overnight
[12:26] <ZzeCoOl> buy a 500 watt PSU
[12:26] <jintonic> one 80mm fan and the processor fan, thats it
[12:26] <ZzeCoOl> hmmm
[12:26] <jintonic> and its a 280watt
[12:26] <ZzeCoOl> jintonic: this is very strange
[12:26] <ZzeCoOl> ahmmm
[12:26] <ZzeCoOl> this is a problem
[12:26] <jintonic> correction, 300watt
[12:26] <ZzeCoOl> buy at least a 350 watt
[12:27] <ZzeCoOl> what kind of cpu?
[12:27] <jintonic> athlon xp
[12:27] <ZzeCoOl> ahahaha
[12:27] <ZzeCoOl> you have to buy a new psu
[12:27] <ZzeCoOl> for sure
[12:27] <ZzeCoOl> a big one
[12:27] <ZzeCoOl> try something like 400 watt and more
[12:27] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[12:28] <jintonic> what, just to kill my electric bill?
[12:28] <ZzeCoOl> i have an 400 antec
[12:28] <yorkomo> jintonic: a 400w doesn't use that much
[12:28] <ZzeCoOl> there is now problem with your electric bill if you upgrade your psu
[12:28] <yorkomo> and have your computer stand-by when not in use
[12:28] <yorkomo> if you are so worried
[12:28] <Necrosan> ...
[12:28] <Necrosan> ZzeCoOl: you're an idiot.
[12:29] <ZzeCoOl> dont be stupid (sorry) it only helps you with your hardware ...a 400 watt not alwasy work at 400 ....
[12:29] <ZzeCoOl> maybe never
[12:29] <Necrosan> jintonic: Your PSU should be fine.
[12:29] <Necrosan> Your problem is that you have noisy fans.
[12:29] <jintonic> its working fine as is, i see no reason to change it
[12:29] <ZzeCoOl> Necrosan: watch your mount stupid bitch
[12:30] <ZzeCoOl> ARE U LISTENING ME?
[12:30] <Necrosan> ZzeCoOl: Go away. You're some little 12 year old kid that hasn't hit puberty yet.
[12:30] <jintonic> ZzeCool: be like fonzi
[12:30] <jintonic> if you've never seen pulp fiction just disregard that
[12:30] <ZzeCoOl> you are the stupid one here he doesnt have noise fan idiot....he have the know problem of a fan getting noiser by when you are loading an application
[12:30] <ZzeCoOl> DUMPASS
[12:31] <ZzeCoOl> nevermind
[12:31] <Necrosan> ZzeCoOl: And what does that have to do with the PSU?
[12:31] <Necrosan> You're a moron. Go away
[12:31] <ZzeCoOl> jintonic: you dont have any problem everything is fine
[12:31] <Necrosan> He has dynamic fans which adjust to the speed.
[12:31] <Necrosan> The speed necessary for the amount of heat coming out of the system.
[12:32] <ZzeCoOl> Necrosan: ok ok u are the man
[12:32] <ZzeCoOl> the prodigy
[12:32] <Necrosan> I know.
[12:32] <Necrosan> Thanks.
[12:32] <HaRDaWaY> one question, i have connect pendrive, what is his device to mount it ?
[12:32] <ZzeCoOl> it is a psu problem u morron
[12:32] <Necrosan> ZzeCoOl: Shut up. You greecey piece of shit. ;D
[12:32] <jintonic> i bet its a variable fan problem, and since that's usually a cheaper to fix problem, lets assume thats correct, how would you fix that?
[12:33] <ZzeCoOl> He can check this be borrow a posu of a friend and test it
[12:33] <Necrosan> jintonic: Replace the fans.
[12:33] <HaRDaWaY> pendrive is sg1 ?
[12:33] <Necrosan> jintonic: Do you know where the noise is coming from?
[12:33] <ZzeCoOl> Necrosan: you dont know a shit this is the opnly reason acting like this
[12:33] <ZzeCoOl> or you are the real 12 yars old
[12:33] <Necrosan> jintonic: Do you have any case fans?
[12:33] <jintonic> not sure, i'm pretty sure its my cpu fan
[12:33] <charon79m> Need some help with a Netgear WA511 and getting it to work with WW.
[12:34] <Tyche> Hi ubuntu friends
[12:34] <jintonic> yes, 1 80mm
[12:34] <ZzeCoOl> jintonic: plz listen to me
[12:34] <Tyche> I'm looking for a html/php gui editor
[12:34] <ZzeCoOl> let this dumpass ....hell out
[12:34] <charon79m> Sorry.... WG511.
[12:34] <Necrosan> jintonic: Try disconnecting the 1 80mm fan, and try to replicate the situation
[12:34] <charon79m> Here is the line from "lspci"
[12:34] <jcspray> Tyche: gedit will do syntax highlighting for both of those, if it's just a source editor you're after.
[12:34] <ZzeCoOl> jintonic: if you cant belive me do this borrow your friends psu and test to see if this happen
[12:34] <Necrosan> If the noise is gone, your problem is found. If not, the PSU fan is also a problem.
[12:34] <ZzeCoOl> (if you have any friend with a good psu)
[12:35] <charon79m> 0000:02:00.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Intersil ISL3890 [Prism GT/Prism Duette]  (rev 01)
[12:35] <Necrosan> jintonic: I'm willing to bet it's the case fan though.
[12:35] <Tyche> jcspray: that is good to know, but I'm looking for more then a source editor
[12:35] <jcspray> Would it be irresponsible to suggest inserting a screwdriver into the psu vent to stop the fan and see if that's the problem?
[12:35] <Necrosan> jcspray: That works too. =P
[12:35] <charon79m> Wireless NIC help needed... anyone willing to help?
[12:35] <ZzeCoOl> Necrosan: HIS PROBLEM IS THAT THE FAN BECOME NOISER WHEN LOADING AN APPL (AND MAYBE THIS CAN HAPPEN WHEN HDD WORK A LOT)
[12:35] <ZzeCoOl> IT IS A VERY KNOWN PROBLEM
[12:35] <jcspray> Actually, I've done that with scissors and a screwdriver, many times.  For some reason always something metal: I must have a death wish.
[12:35] <jintonic> if the noise goes away it could be either the case fan speed or the psu still, but my machine gets hot without it
[12:36] <ZzeCoOl> AND IT IS A PSU PROBLEM
[12:36] <Necrosan> ZzeCoOl: Shut up, you're a loser, and you don't know anything. =P
[12:36] <jintonic> ZzeCoOl: calm down, man
[12:36] <Necrosan> jintonic: Stick a screw driver in the fan to stop it, and see if the noise goes away
[12:36] <lexhider>  #ubuntu-devel
[12:36] <jintonic> haha
[12:36] <ZzeCoOl> jintonic: I THINK I FOUND WHAT EXACLY IS YOUR PROBLEM
[12:36] <Necrosan> if it does, go buy a new fan the next day
[12:36] <daniels> ZzeCoOl: please lose the caps
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> ZzeCoOl: what if he can't afford therapy?
[12:37] <ZzeCoOl> sorry about the caps
[12:37] <charon79m> Can anyone help me with a wireless PCMCIA NIC issue?
[12:37] <jintonic> i tried pressing my finger down lightly on the center of the fan to slow it down, that didnt get rid of the noise
[12:37] <Tyche> charon79m: No answers for you sorry.
[12:37] <ZzeCoOl> HrdwrBoB: i didnt understand this ...im not so good with english
[12:37] <ZzeCoOl> therapy for what?
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> ZzeCoOl: it was a bad joke :)
[12:37] <charon79m> Thansk for the answer Tyche...
[12:37] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[12:37] <Necrosan> jintonic: any idea where the noise is coming from? (stop the psu fan possibly with a screwdriver, too)
[12:37] <ZzeCoOl> im not anative speaker
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> screwdrivers rock
[12:38] <HrdwrBoB> seriously if it's making noice
[12:38] <HrdwrBoB> a screwdriver will make it come to a sudden stop
[12:38] <HrdwrBoB> and will shock the dust/crap out of it
[12:38] <ZzeCoOl> Necrosan: you are getting even more stupid
[12:38] <ZzeCoOl> as i can see
[12:38] <Necrosan> ZzeCoOl: You're from Greece.
[12:38] <jintonic> the noise isnt there right now so i cant
[12:38] <Necrosan> I think that says enough. :D
[12:38] <ZzeCoOl> Necrosan: what about my country?
[12:38] <ZzeCoOl> come one tell me?
[12:38] <Necrosan> jintonic: Replicate the situation that makes the noise happen & stop the PSU fan then.
[12:39] <jintonic> it just happens spurratically
[12:39] <jcspray> jintonic: sporadically.
[12:39] <charon79m> Can anyone help with a wireless PCMCIA NIC install... this same card works on another laptop using Ubuntu WW...
[12:40] <sladen> charon79m: just ask
[12:40] <charon79m> Just ask what....?
[12:40] <charon79m> Here is "lspci" : 0000:02:00.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Intersil ISL3890 [Prism GT/Prism Duette]  (rev 01)
[12:41] <charon79m> Here is what I get in /var/log/syslog when I plug it in...
[12:41] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:14 localhost dhclient: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[12:41] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:14 localhost kernel: eth0: islpci_open()
[12:41] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:14 localhost kernel: eth0: resetting device...
[12:41] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:14 localhost kernel: eth0: uploading firmware...
[12:41] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:15 localhost kernel: prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890'
[12:41] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:15 localhost kernel: eth0: could not upload firmware ('isl3890')
[12:41] <Warwick> 'nin all
[12:41] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:15 localhost kernel: eth0: islpci_open()
[12:42] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:15 localhost kernel: eth0: resetting device...
[12:42] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:15 localhost kernel: eth0: uploading firmware...
[12:42] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:15 localhost kernel: prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890'
[12:42] <charon79m> Jan 11 18:39:15 localhost kernel: eth0: could not upload firmware ('isl3890')
[12:42] <kent> Is there some way i can make it so that when i select severel music files, i can rightclick on them and choose "open with totem" / enque to totem? (or other media player) right now, i seem to not get an option like that if i have selected several files :(
[12:43] <charon79m> This card works in my Armada E500 laptop... it will not work in my Armada 6500.
[12:43] <charon79m> Any suggestions at all?
[12:44] <ZzeCoOl> Necrosan: you are a linux expert as i can see right?
[12:44] <Necrosan> ZzeCoOl: Nah, I don't even use linux.
[12:44] <ZzeCoOl> mac even
[12:44] <Necrosan> I just had some ubuntu cds and a broken laptop and decided to throw it on there. :)
[12:45] <Necrosan> Ya, I can consider myself a mac expert. :)
[12:45] <ZzeCoOl> nice
[12:45] <Tyche> How hard is it to go from Gnome to KDE on ubuntu?
[12:45] <ZzeCoOl> beleive me you are
[12:45] <charon79m> Tyche, Easy... just hit Synaptic.
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> Tyche: in my opinion it's an horrendous waste of time etter spent doing real things
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> but you can do it easily enough
[12:45] <mlots> Is removing Perl from Essential a serious goal for Hoary?
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> mlots: no
[12:46] <Monty67> Hello all, currently d/l the latest and notice that Distrowatch doesn't have XFCE listed for this distro. Can I load it? Thanks in advance for your response.
[12:46] <charon79m> Does anyone know of another IRC that is helpful with Ubuntu/Debian hardware issues?
[12:46] <chapter3> i would like to upgrade to horay, but is there a way to "revert" back to warty after going to horay?
[12:46] <Tyche> HrdwrBoB: Looking for a nice html editor for Gnome then.
[12:46] <mlots> ugg, and I got my hopes up... Oh well, I guess I'll have to look at that later.
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> Tyche: my fiance uses nvu
[12:47] <charon79m> Monty... Check synaptic with "universe" enabled.
[12:47] <HrdwrBoB> (it's not gnome, but hey)
[12:47] <HrdwrBoB> I use gvim
[12:47] <Monty67> Thanks charon79m
[12:47] <Necrosan> lol
[12:47] <charon79m> NP...
[12:47] <Necrosan> ZzeCoOl just threatened me in query.
[12:47] <Necrosan> Funny. :)
[12:47] <mlots> charon79m: #debian ?
[12:47] <charon79m> Mlots: I'll give it a shot... thanks.
[12:47] <Tyche> HrdwrBoB: Is that short for something?
[12:47] <ZzeCoOl> Necrosan: copy paste plz what i said
[12:48] <mlots> charon79m: What's your issue? Kernel, X?
[12:48] <HrdwrBoB> Tyche: not really
[12:48] <ZzeCoOl> its an advice
[12:48] <ZzeCoOl> if you want i can say it in here
[12:48] <HrdwrBoB> Tyche: hang on a tick
[12:48] <Necrosan> [05:47]  	<ZzeCoOl>	an advice just check your security settings .... a friendly one and watch your mouth
[12:48] <Necrosan> [05:47]  	<ZzeCoOl>	see ya
[12:48] <ZzeCoOl> Necrosan HAVE a security problem with his mac
[12:48] <mlots> charon79m: It might be worth consulting upstream, or another downstream.
[12:48] <Necrosan> ZzeCoOl: Do I?
[12:48] <HrdwrBoB> ZzeCoOl: Necrosan: shush
[12:48] <Necrosan> hack me. :)
[12:48] <charon79m> The issues is I have a Netgear WG511 wireless card that is not working with one of my laptops.
[12:48] <ZzeCoOl> omg
[12:49] <missvu> hello
[12:49] <HrdwrBoB> tyche:http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3307060179/view?searchterm=nvu
[12:49] <missvu> i was wondering if anyone knew how i would use this dockers program
[12:49] <mlots> charon79m: Basic networking debugging is fairly universal for Linux, but that wireless card may be an issue common to many distro's.
[12:49] <missvu> and also how to install audioscrobbler on my beep
[12:50] <mlots> 'r both are universal, but you have two parts to look at.
[12:50] <charon79m> This card works with this distro on another laptop...
[12:50] <mlots> Network setup correct?
[12:50] <charon79m> It's actually a very well suported card.
[12:50] <charon79m> Nope hardware:
[12:50] <charon79m> prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890'
[12:50] <charon79m> I'm a networking guy.... that's my specialty.
[12:51] <charon79m> This isn't even getting a light on the card.
[12:51] <missvu> hello?
[12:51] <Tyche> HrdwrBoB: Thank you
[12:51] <HrdwrBoB> Tyche: not a problem!
[12:52] <mlots> charon79m: Check the source code for the prism54, also the kernel documentation if any for that module.
[12:53] <charon79m> Not sure what you mean by source code for prism54...  Isn't support for this compiled into kernel?
[12:53] <mlots> charon79m: Check the kernel source code, there's sometimes clues there.
[12:53] <charon79m> Also, not sure what you mean by "kernel documentation"...
[12:54] <mlots> charon79m: In the kernel code directory there's a directory called Documentation.
[12:55] <charon79m> Hmm... probably have to download the kernel source package...
[12:55] <mlots> charon79m: If you can't find what the error means by using those two sources, and general search skills then contact the maintainer or perhaps the linux kernel mailing list (lkml).
[12:57] <mlots> charon79m: Your friends for this will be google, grep -ri...
[12:57] <charon79m> mlots:  Thanks for the suggestions.
[12:57] <charon79m> LOL... yeah, I was hoping that it would be something simple.
[12:57] <mlots> charon79m: YOu could also search the source code online I think, but I don't recall where.
[12:57] <charon79m> It just doesn't make sense that this works on one machine and not the other.
[12:57] <charon79m> They're running the same kernel.
[12:58] <mlots> Different revision or different mod... have you tried swapping the cards?
[12:58] <charon79m> Yes, I have 2 identicle cards... I've swapped them around.
[12:58] <charon79m> Both work on one machine, both do not work on the other.
[12:58] <charon79m> Same errors on each.
[12:59] <mlots> Could be damage, could be a manufacturing change, could be a manufacturing defect... afaik the only difference should be the MAC address if they're the same revision.
[12:59] <mlots> Anyway gotta go. Good luck.
[01:00] <charon79m> That is correct... MAC is different.. serial numbers are off by few digits.
[01:00] <charon79m> It's the same card/revision/etc.
[01:02] <Warwick> hmmm... I think I'm solving my own problem with google and a little experimentation.. WEP off works
[01:02] <ZzeCoOl> yeah google is your friend
[01:02] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[01:07] <reijo01> hi
[01:08] <reijo01> I just installed ubuntu on a machine with a wireless card
[01:09] <reijo01> i think i see the wireless device in device manager but
[01:09] <reijo01> when I try to add it in network settings it isn't in the dropdown
[01:09] <guugmember> Does the installation of ubuntu includes kernel tools?
[01:09] <reijo01> i see the device listed in the supported devices at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards/view?searchterm=dwl-520
[01:10] <reijo01> could someone recommend a way to fix this? thanks!
[01:11] <mz2> ndiswrapper is being nasty to me
[01:12] <mz2> is there something i could do when it gives me these hangups that last for a few seconds like every few minutes
[01:15] <rob0> reijo01, is this the dwl-520 or dwl-520+ ? The latter might not be supported (or it might work with the acx100 driver ... find that at Sourceforge.)
[01:16] <reijo01> rob0 without the +, i.e. dwl-520(at least that is what the CD says)
[01:16] <reijo01> what is the acx100 driver?
[01:16] <kleedrac> How do I extract a .sit file?
[01:17] <rob0> D-links without the "+" should work in general.
[01:17] <rob0> ACX-100 is a Texas Instruments chip which the mfr refused to document, so the acx100 project is reverse-engineering it
[01:18] <reijo01> should I expect it to show up in the network settings on the drop down for wireless devices?
[01:18] <ogra> rob0: make sure the acx_pci module is loaded
[01:18] <rob0> reijo01, I have no idea. I am as new to ubuntu and GNOME as anyone.
[01:18] <Elk_Brad> how can i get my 512MB usb drive to work with Ubuntu? is there specific drivers i need?
[01:18] <rob0> ogra, I don't have an acx100 card. Never will. ;)
[01:18] <reijo01> rob0 ok
[01:18] <ogra> rob0: sorry that was for reijo01
[01:19] <reijo01> ogra how do I make sure that acx_pci is loaded?
[01:19] <rob0> Elk_Brad, did you try it? What did you try?
[01:19] <ogra> reijo01: in a terminal type: lsmod|grep acx
[01:20] <ogra> Elk_Brad: it should appear automatically on your desktop if you plug it in
[01:20] <rob0> ogra, reijo01's NIC being a plain 520, is acx_pci needed?
[01:20] <reijo01> ogra its not there
[01:20] <rob0> reijo01, try /sbin/pcimodules
[01:20] <reijo01> as a command?
[01:20] <rob0> yes
[01:20] <ogra> rob0: modinfo says: Driver for TI ACX1xx based wireless cards (CardBus/PCI/USB)
[01:21] <rob0> yes, but I'm not sure his NIC is an ACX1xx
[01:21] <reijo01> ok, there is no pcimodules in sbin
[01:21] <poningru> anyone know how to add the search plugins in firefox?
[01:22] <rob0> I bought one once, returned it unopened :)
[01:22] <ogra> heh
[01:22] <ogra> reijo01: try: sudo modprobe acx_pci
[01:22] <reijo01> i don't have a pcimodules in sbin and I dont have acx_pci loaded
[01:22] <reijo01> k
[01:22] <rob0> 520+, that is
[01:22] <ogra> reijo01: if it complains your card isnt a acx100
[01:23] <Elk_Brad> orga: i don't see it pop up , but in device listings i see it and it says storage device but in the computer listings like floppy, cd, and harddrive...but nothing else
[01:23] <Elk_Brad> it doesn't appear in there
[01:23] <ogra> reijo01: if it doesnt complain type: dmesg
[01:23] <reijo01> no complains
[01:24] <ogra> reijo01: and look at the last lines of the output
[01:24] <reijo01> k
[01:24] <poningru> nm got it
[01:24] <reijo01> lol
[01:24] <Elk_Brad> :(
[01:24] <Elk_Brad> any ideas?
[01:24] <reijo01> looks like i was coaxed into buying a wireless network card
[01:24] <Elk_Brad>  someone?
[01:24] <ogra> Elk_Brad: look in Computer->desktop settings->removable media
[01:25] <reijo01> that uses a mysterious ACX100 chip from TI
[01:25] <ogra> great :)
[01:25] <Elk_Brad> removable media is not listed
[01:25] <rob0> hey, when you use a gksu app (I opened a root terminal) does that authentication apply to other apps? I was surprised NOT to be asked by synaptic for the password.
[01:26] <Danko123451> Hi, how do I turn on ssh on a computer?
[01:26] <ogra> rob0: it lasts for about 10mins
[01:26] <Danko123451> the server...
[01:26] <rob0> Elk_Brad, lsusb(8) might help
[01:26] <sladen> rob0: for 5 minutes, yes
[01:26] <reijo01> ok, do i need to reboot? cuz the wireless device still isn't showing up when I try to add a network connection
[01:26] <rob0> thx guys
[01:26] <sladen> rob0: do  sudo -k  if you want to cancel it
[01:26] <ogra> Danko123451: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[01:26] <randabis-wireles> lolz Chi-Lan from the screensavers pmed me
[01:26] <Danko123451> thanks.
[01:27] <rob0> reijo01, "ifconfig -a", what interfaces other than lo are listed?
[01:27] <ogra> reijo01: add the acx_pci module to /etc/modules (sudo gedit /etc/modules)
[01:27] <rob0> I guess you should have sit0 too
[01:27] <reijo01> i have eth0, lo and sit0
[01:28] <geppy> How can you reinstall nvidia modules after recompiling the kernel?
[01:28] <rob0> does eth0 work? Is it connected / DHCP'ed?
[01:29] <Danko123451> How do I get the apt-get work with all the right servers again?
[01:29] <Danko123451> Which file is it...
[01:29] <geppy> Danko123451:  /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:29] <Danko123451> thanks.
[01:29] <geppy> Any ideas on recompiling the kernel without losing Nvidia?
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: why are you recompilinig your kernel
[01:30] <Necrosan> ZzeCoOl gives stupid advice. DO NOT LISTEN TO HIM.
[01:30] <rob0> reijo01, you're just wanting some kind of status to show?
[01:30] <reijo01> rob0 i don't think so, it doesnt have a inet addr line
[01:30] <racter> anyone know how i can increase my max refresh rate?  gnome's screen resolution preferences will not let me choose anything above 63hz at 1024x768.
[01:30] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  Because I needed to add a module that wasn't there.
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: what module?
[01:30] <randabis-wireles> lol
[01:30] <ZzeCoOl> omg
[01:30] <randabis-wireles> that's hilarimous
[01:30] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: I was adding the spca50x module for my webcam.
[01:30] <daniels> Necrosan, ZzeCoOl: please stop arguing
[01:31] <reijo01> agra do i add "aci_pci" on a separate line without the quotes?
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: I don't think that's in the normal kernel source
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> you should just need the linux-headers for your kernel
[01:31] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: Regardless, I've already done it;  I just want my nvidia back.  =)
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> and the module source
[01:31] <ZzeCoOl> daniels: i allready ignore him *.*
[01:31] <ZzeCoOl> thats why he continue in public
[01:31] <ogra> reijo01: acx_pci
[01:31] <reijo01> rob0 why do I have a eth0 without a inet address?
[01:31] <ZzeCoOl> ogra: :)
[01:31] <reijo01> k
[01:31] <ogra> reijo01: avoid typos ;)
[01:31] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  I already got the linux-headers and used the makefile in the spca508 driver to recompile the kernel;  It's just that I've now lost GLX.
[01:32] <Danko123451> Is su - the command for changing the user to root?
[01:32] <reijo01> i've been trying to avoid them for years without much success :(
[01:32] <geppy> Danko123451:  'su' is 'superuser do'
[01:32] <geppy> Danko123451:  It gives you root rights for one command.
[01:32] <reijo01> ok, so that is to make it permenent?
[01:33] <Danko123451> Thats sudo?
[01:33] <ogra> Danko123451: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:33] <Elk_Brad> what is  lsusb(8)
[01:33] <geppy> Danko123451:  Use 'sudo -c su' to get a root terminal.
[01:33] <Danko123451> thanks.
[01:33] <geppy> Danko123451:  Listen to ogra.  =)
[01:33] <Danko123451> I do :)
[01:33] <rob0> reijo01, let's get to the bottom of it, please. Did you have this card working before? Is there an access point running (or bridging to) a DHCP daemon?
[01:33] <ogra> reijo01:i mean while editing important config files of your system ;)
[01:34] <randabis-wireles> I though su was switch users
[01:34] <randabis-wireles> user
[01:34] <reijo01> ogra ok, will do:)
[01:34] <Danko123451> The thing is that my computer is set up so I just write su and it changes my user to root@localhost
[01:34] <geppy> Danko123451:  Then just do that.
[01:34] <ogra> randabis-wireles: it is, but ubuntu has the root user locked...
[01:34] <Danko123451> And I want to make my other computer work like that.
[01:34] <Danko123451> I guess I need an alias.
[01:35] <Danko123451> But it seems that I have two diff passwords for the root? I guess I am just writing in the wrong thing.
[01:35] <reijo01> ogra should i reboot now? it isn't showing up as a wireless device when i try to add a network connection
[01:36] <ogra> reijo01: what did the lines of dmesg say ? they should have mentioned the device name (wlan0 or something)
[01:36] <ferris> i have a question
[01:36] <Danko123451> One more thing, which server is openssh on?
[01:36] <Danko123451> multiverse?
[01:37] <ZzeCoOl> ferris: just hit it
[01:37] <Danko123451> : )
[01:37] <kotau> ZzeCo0l; I'd hit it.
[01:37] <ferris> how can i find real player in the xfce menus... i do not see it
[01:37] <ogra> Danko123451: universe
[01:37] <randabis-wireles> ibm gave us 500 patents lolz
[01:37] <ferris> i do not know for sure if it is installed or not
[01:37] <Danko123451> k so should that be there already in apt-get?
[01:38] <ferris> is there an easy way to search for it?
[01:38] <Danko123451> Which all lines do you suggest adding to /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:38] <ogra> Danko123451: you have to eanble universe, if it is enabled and your package list is up to date, then yes
[01:38] <lupus_> patent for mpeg would be handy :p
[01:39] <ZzeCoOl> ferris i think that you must setup a shortcut manual ...
[01:39] <ZzeCoOl> try in a terminal something like real and then press the TEB key
[01:40] <ZzeCoOl> to see if there is any command for real player
[01:40] <rob0> hey, I have a stupid question which I could answer with RTFM/STFW, but I'll ask here instead ;) ... where's mc?? I can't find it in synaptic.
[01:40] <rob0> enable universe?
[01:40] <ZzeCoOl> midnight commander?
[01:40] <rob0> yes
[01:40] <reijo01> ogra dev_info is: TI acx_pci
[01:40] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[01:41] <ZzeCoOl> i didnt fint it either
[01:41] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[01:41] <ZzeCoOl> find*
[01:41] <Danko123451> I can use the Synaptic for all this right?
[01:41] <ogra> rob0: yes
[01:41] <reijo01> ogra acx100_init_module: TI acx_pci.o:Ver 0.2.0pre8 Driver initialized, waiting for cards to probe
[01:42] <ogra> reijo01: hmm, didnt show up a device ?
[01:42] <reijo01> ogra i don't think so
[01:42] <ferris> ZzeCoOl: I tried the real, realplayer but there was no command
[01:42] <ZzeCoOl> :(
[01:42] <reijo01> will be be prefixed with a acx100?
[01:43] <ZzeCoOl> did you install it right?
[01:43] <ZzeCoOl> go to your home directory and try ls -la
[01:43] <ZzeCoOl> i think it is hdden in there
[01:43] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[01:43] <ZzeCoOl> if you install it properly
[01:44] <reijo01> i'm rebooting to see if my edit on that system file worked
[01:44] <Danko123451> Thanks so much guys, talk to you later.
[01:45] <ogra> reijo01: i think rob0 can lead you through the config then... i have to sleep now
[01:45] <rob0> haha I might not
[01:45] <reijo01> ogra ok, thanks for your help, gnite
[01:45] <ogra> night
[01:45] <ferris> i do not have it in there
[01:45] <rob0> I know how to do things manually
[01:45] <rob0> thx ogra, universe is it :)
[01:45] <ZzeCoOl> ferris: how did you install it ?
[01:46] <ZzeCoOl> did you download anu packege from their homepage?
[01:46] <ferris> ZzeCoOl yes i downloaded it from there sight
[01:46] <ZzeCoOl> ok just a sec
[01:46] <ferris> ZzeCoOl then I used chmod a+x
[01:46] <ZzeCoOl> im gonna try to install it and help you after that
[01:46] <ferris> then ./Real
[01:46] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[01:47] <ferris> that did not work so i tried sudo Real
[01:47] <ZzeCoOl> and...?
[01:47] <ferris> then it looked like it installed
[01:47] <ferris> but nothing is there
[01:47] <ZzeCoOl> ahmm
[01:47] <ferris> oh, it was a .bin file
[01:48] <ferris> i do not know if that matters
[01:48] <ZzeCoOl> so there is a "real" hidden directory in your home dir?
[01:48] <reijo01> rob0 what should I be trying next, any suggestions? thx
[01:48] <Evaso> hi guys what about xfce and pmount integration for low-end pc/laptop ?
[01:48] <ferris> ZzeCoOl no
[01:48] <ferris> ZzeCoOl there is not
[01:49] <ZzeCoOl> ??!@!@
[01:49] <ZzeCoOl> ok wait
[01:50] <ZzeCoOl> http://www.real.com/player/?src=realplayer  (did you downloaded from here?)
[01:51] <n4dr0j> someone wanna help me with some config?
[01:51] <randabis-wireles> gimme a dollar
[01:51] <randabis-wireles> lolz
[01:52] <n4dr0j> u accept visa
[01:52] <ZzeCoOl> pay pal is ok too
[01:52] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[01:52] <zenrox> n4dr0j, i do
[01:52] <chibifs> nadroj, configuration for what?
[01:52] <n4dr0j> ok ill give you my visa # and date, just a sec
[01:52] <zenrox> lol
[01:52] <ZzeCoOl> lol
 I'll do it for free :P
[01:52] <n4dr0j> for my mouse speed, and my keyboard extra buttons
[01:53] <ferris> ZzeCoOl, http://forms.real.com/netzip/fromrde.html?promo=http://www.real.com/R/RDX.downloadr_1.R/software-dl.real.com/125c4b28d3f7fb348a00/windows/RealPlayer10-5GOLD.exe&type=dl_rp10
[01:53] <chibifs> google.com/linux :P
[01:53] <n4dr0j> i couldnt find anywhere to chg speed of mouse, but i added "Resolution" "5000" to Xfreeconfig file, is that right
[01:54] <chibifs> Are you using GNOME
[01:54] <ferris> ZzeCoOl, yes it is the same site
[01:54] <chibifs> Gnome has mouse and keyboard configuration tools, I though. o_O
[01:54] <n4dr0j> ya gnome
[01:54] <zenrox> n4dr0j,  for your special buttons on your keyboard just open the gnome keyboard panel and find what your programin like vol+ the slect it and press your vol+ key and then contuue till all your keys are configured
[01:55] <ZzeCoOl> ferris:  you have to run the .bin file
[01:55] <n4dr0j> ya i found the tool for mouse, but it doesnt have a speed option
[01:55] <ZzeCoOl> to install it
[01:55] <ZzeCoOl> it is an installer
[01:55] <n4dr0j> zen, where do i get that
[01:55] <zenrox> n4dr0j, keyboard shout cuts
[01:55] <ferris> so is it sudo real*?
[01:56] <ferris> or ./real*
[01:56] <ferris> i did chmod a+x real*
[01:56] <ferris> then both of the others
[01:56] <ferris> ./real* did nothing
[01:56] <n4dr0j> :O!!!! thanks zen that was frightingly fast :S
[01:57] <zenrox> yep
[01:57] <zenrox> n4dr0j,  for your mouse open the mouse panel and click the last tab
[01:57] <ferris> then i did sudo real* that looked like it installed
[01:57] <ferris> brb
[01:57] <n4dr0j> aaaahhhh.. i didnt even see this option on that menu.. i checked everywhere else! thanks alot
[01:57] <zenrox> n/p
[01:58] <n4dr0j> :D
[01:58] <ZzeCoOl> ferris: then i dont know what exacly is the problem
[01:58] <ZzeCoOl> it should have work this way
[01:59] <zenrox> ZzeCoOl,  raed http://ubuntuguide.org and follow the directions
[01:59] <ZzeCoOl> zenrox: about what?
[01:59] <zenrox> real
[02:00] <ZzeCoOl> i dont have any probvlem ferris have
[02:00] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[02:00] <zenrox> oh
[02:00] <ZzeCoOl> give him the link
[02:00] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[02:00] <ZzeCoOl> and thanx
[02:00] <zenrox> ferris,   raed http://ubuntuguide.org and follow the directions
[02:03] <ferris> zenrox, thanks. I did a chmod a+x and sudo real* and ./real* .... i just didn't do a 'sudo ./real*' that is the problem
[02:03] <ferris> thanks
[02:03] <zenrox> n/p
[02:03] <zenrox> 2 down 4 more to go
[02:03] <zenrox> for my daily quota
[02:05] <ZzeCoOl> ahahah
[02:05] <zenrox> hehehe
[02:05] <zenrox> it makes me feel all warm in side
[02:06] <ZzeCoOl> zenrox: when im trying to download real player from http://www.real.com/player/?src=realplayer my mozilla crash when opens the "save to" window
[02:06] <ZzeCoOl> let me see know
[02:06] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[02:06] <zenrox> ZzeCoOl, whare is is d/l to ?
[02:07] <zenrox> and mozilla or firefox
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> firefox
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> ok i found what waz the problem
[02:07] <zenrox> what was it
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> it is this stupid smb shares
[02:07] <zenrox> lol
[02:07] <zenrox> saving to the smb share
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> if the window machine is off then everything f*** up
[02:08] <zenrox> ya true
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> yes is is for a friend
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> we have a wireless network
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> 1.2 khm
[02:08] <zenrox> lol
[02:08] <zenrox> not bad
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> 1.99 mb /sec
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[02:08] <zenrox> kewl
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> yeah
[02:08] <zenrox> i am wired net
[02:08] <zenrox> 3 pcs and one ps2
[02:09] <ZzeCoOl> we have 2 Cisco linksys WRT54GS wireless routers
[02:09] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:09] <ZzeCoOl> with alchemy firmware installed
[02:09] <ZzeCoOl> they rock
[02:09] <zenrox> what does that do
[02:09] <ZzeCoOl> the firmware?
[02:10] <zenrox> ya
[02:10] <ZzeCoOl> many new features
[02:10] <zenrox> better encription i hope
[02:10] <ZzeCoOl> with eysay setup thru web interface
[02:10] <ZzeCoOl> zenrox: yes
[02:10] <zenrox> like linksys's
[02:10] <ZzeCoOl> tripk AES
[02:10] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:10] <zenrox> kewl
[02:11] <ZzeCoOl> mac filtering and more
[02:11] <zenrox> it had mac filtering
[02:11] <ZzeCoOl> there is an openwrt firware as well
[02:11] <ZzeCoOl> you can run your own scripts there :P
[02:11] <zenrox> kewl
[02:11] <zenrox> just hope noone overwrites the firmware
[02:11] <ZzeCoOl> better security and things like that
 just hope noone overwrites the firmware (????)
[02:12] <zenrox> ya remotely
[02:12] <zenrox> with the openwrt one
[02:12] <ZzeCoOl> aaa
[02:12] <ZzeCoOl> you cant reach the web interface from the net
[02:12] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> i keep this feature closed
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> always
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> only ssh some times
[02:13] <Necrosan> stfu
[02:13] <Necrosan> idiot
[02:13] <Necrosan> hm
[02:13] <Necrosan> So I see I can make the laptop use APM
[02:13] <Necrosan> excellent
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> Necrosan: plz stop it and go to bed
[02:14] <izaac> :O
[02:15] <mak> hey all. can anyone help me make a link from whatever my system calls my modem to make it refer to it as /dev/modem?
[02:15] <daniels> Necrosan, ZzeCoOl: both of you, stop it.
[02:16] <mak> anyone?
[02:16] <mak> I can elaborate
[02:17] <rob0> mak, "man ln"
[02:17] <sladen> mak: sudo ln -s /dev/ttyS?? /dev/modem
[02:17] <mak> rob0, how do I find out what my system refers to my modem as currently?
[02:17] <mak> or sladen
[02:18] <sladen> mak: dmesg | grep tty
[02:18] <sladen> mak: dmesg | grep ttyS
[02:19] <mak> the worst part about this is that this is actually for my brother who i have on the phone.. and he can only test stuff by hanging up
[02:19] <mak> thanks guys let me try
[02:20] <sladen> mak: what type of modem is it?  built-in, win-modem, PCMCIA...?
[02:21] <mak> i dont think its a winmodem. apparently its being recognized by the device manager.
[02:22] <Necrosan> mak: use wvdial
[02:22] <Necrosan> works with 90% of winmodems most of the time too :)
[02:22] <Necrosan> (well it has in my experience)
[02:22] <mak> hm.. interesting
[02:22] <mak> well, the thing is that he's got netzero
[02:22] <mak> so we're trying to use their client
[02:22] <mak> unless that works with them too
[02:23] <Necrosan> netzero has a linux client?
[02:23] <mak> it does, its a .deb package
[02:23] <mak> i think for lindows
[02:23] <mak> but I'm hoping it will work with ubuntu.. and it seems to be, just having some trouble with /dev/modem
[02:26] <evildrdan> i just installed ubuntu on my toshiba tecra... everything seemed to go smooth, but after i logged in nothing happened.... no gnome splash screen ar anything like that
[02:28] <sladen> evildrdan: did you log in at a graphical screen, or a text-one ?
[02:29] <racter> is there a way to edit key shortcuts for stuff in the "applications" menu?  i want a shortcut for "run command"
[02:29] <racter> er "run application"
[02:30] <evildrdan> sladen graphical
[02:30] <randabis-wireles> updating my main box to hoary
[02:30] <randabis-wireles> :)
[02:31] <mak> sladen, what am i looking for when I do the 'dmesg | grep tty'?
[02:33] <Elk_Brad> any one know if ubuntu will work on an HP laptop that has propritery video card drivers? for winxp only?
[02:33] <racter> is there a keyboard shortcuts file?
[02:34] <evildrdan> sladen: i logged in at a graphical screen
[02:34] <daniels> Elk_Brad: depends on what sort of video card drivers
[02:34] <slackster> anyone having problems with the run from cd's? we can't get on the net with them .. and they load but nothing will run in the ugi
[02:34] <knoppix> help. after netconfig. browser will not com eup.
[02:34] <nomasteryoda> Elk_Brad, if it is an intel 810 chipset, then it should
[02:34] <Elk_Brad> well its an integrated video card that won't work with any version of windows except xp
[02:34] <Elk_Brad> its not an intel 810
[02:35] <nomasteryoda> model?
[02:35] <daniels> Elk_Brad: is it made by intel?
[02:35] <slackster> the cd is from the set that was sent out with the runfrom and install cd's
[02:35] <Elk_Brad> ..hold on...not intel at all
[02:35] <devscott> I have a hardware question
[02:36] <randabis-laptop> hope this hoary upgrade is less painful than it was on the laptop :p
[02:36] <rob0> Elk_Brad, "lspci" to find out what it is
[02:36] <slackster> anyone having problems with the run from cd's? we can't get on the net with them .. and they load but nothing will run in the ugi
[02:36] <slackster> anyone having problems with the run from cd's? we can't get on the net with them .. and they load but nothing will run in the ugi
[02:36] <devscott> I just got a dvd+-rw and nautilus-cd-burner will burn a dvd fine
[02:36] <slackster> oops
[02:36] <rob0> then check the X docs
[02:36] <devscott> but when I mount the sucker it doesn't show up in Computer on on the desktop
[02:36] <knoppix> what's wronmg with you slakster
[02:37] <slackster> fat fingers .. and ur problem is?
[02:37] <mak> sladen, you still there?
[02:37] <knoppix> too much work
[02:37] <slackster> ah
[02:37] <sladen> evildrdan: is this hoary or warty
[02:37] <sladen> mak: just
[02:37] <evildrdan> sladen: warty... JUST installed
[02:38] <sladen> mak: you're looking for some reference to  ''detected ... on  /dev/ttyS01''  or something
[02:38] <mak> sladen, i was wondering if there's a way to find the name of the device from the device manager
[02:38] <knoppix> Anyone notice problems with the Live Distro
[02:38] <slackster> oh well guess I'll just trash them .. I had brought them to the lug to show off .. made a great impression
[02:38] <sladen> mak: or ''loading module, foomodem on /dev/ttyS42''
[02:38] <mak> hmm... with dmesg?
[02:38] <sladen> mak: if you look in the device manager, what port does it say it is?
[02:39] <sladen> mak: dmesg shows any messages produced by the kernel
[02:39] <mak> i see. well, there doesnt seem to be a 'port'
[02:39] <sladen> mak: 'grep' filters those messages for things you're looking for, in this case, it'll be '/dev/ttyS??'
[02:40] <sladen> mak: okay.  What informatino /can/ you see (or your brother see?)
[02:40] <mak> he knows its a pci
[02:41] <mak> he can lee a 'linux.sysfs_path value
[02:41] <mak> which is something like /sys/devices/pci0000/.....
[02:41] <mak> with the ttyS and such, are you expecting the modem to have been detected during boot?
[02:42] <sladen> mak: yes
[02:42] <sladen> mak: if it knows what you're modem is, it (should) have loaded any drivers
[02:42] <mak> i see
[02:42] <tungsten> no open office on install init the program then dies?
[02:42] <sladen> mak: what is the ID string of the modem, we can find out what it is by Googling
[02:42] <sladen> mak: lspci | less
[02:43] <sladen> mak: scroll down and find the modem ('q' to quit)
[02:43] <randabis-laptop> ha 752 packages to upgrade
[02:43] <tungsten> I get the splash open office 1.1 then it hangs-up?
[02:44] <mak> ok, it finds a micromodem
[02:44] <mak> pctel inc
[02:44] <mak> and I guess that's all
[02:44] <p00p> hi, a few minutes ago my laptop crashed pretty hard (running warty) -- nothing worked at all, screen froze, but somehow ctrl-alt-del rebooted it
[02:44] <sladen> mak: or numbers of the form  XXXX:XXXX  ?
[02:44] <p00p> now it crashes when it loads X at boot
[02:44] <p00p> same thing
[02:44] <sladen> mak: eg.   8086:1234
[02:44] <mak> yes. 0000:00:04.0
[02:45] <p00p> can't change terminal, but ctrl-alt-del reboots it. and it doesn't happen until x loads
[02:45] <sladen> mak: and the ones after that
[02:45] <tungsten> it reports th it is an untitled widow OO that is
[02:45] <p00p> anyone have any suggestions on things i should take a look at?
[02:46] <mak> then it has the modem: pctel inc Hsp micromodem 56
[02:46] <mak> then (rev 02)
[02:46] <sladen> mak: you might need to do   lspci -n -v -v | less   and scroll down to the same place (00:00:04.0)
[02:47] <racter> is it safe to add like standard debian apt sources to my search?
[02:47] <crimsun> depends on how much of a headache you want
[02:48] <sladen> mak: it's a win-modem
[02:48] <rob0> I'm in the same boat ... found a whole bunch of things I want but are not in universe.
[02:48] <sladen> mak: if you search no Google for   pctel inc hsp micromodem linux
[02:48] <sladen> mak: there's two howtos
[02:48] <mak> class 0703:  134D:7897
[02:49] <randabis-laptop> heh dist-upgrade goes much faster with more mhz :p
[02:49] <sladen> mak: it looks like the drivers might not be in ubuntu by default (and if they are, they'll be in "restricted"
[02:49] <mak> i see. so.. what do you think? in this case?
[02:50] <sladen> mak: can you file a bug on   http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/  saying the modem is detected/supported  giving all the details you've typed so far "pctel inc..." and "134d:7897" and a link to the howtos and the download site and  linmodems.tachnin...  (it's in the howto)
[02:51] <Elk_Brad> im looking up the video card info now..its been a while since i looked into it, but i'll get back in a min
[02:51] <sladen> mak: and set the CC to  ubuntu@paul.sladen.org
[02:51] <crimsun> racter: / rob0: if you're experienced with pinning, then it's manageable
[02:51] <sladen> mak: my battery is flat.  nn
[02:51] <crimsun> racter: / rob0: if you aren't, don't bother - unless you really like banging your head against a brick edifice
[02:51] <mak> nn?
[02:51] <Suzie12345> How would I go about installilng xmms and mplayer, and the codecs for them and tht?
[02:52] <sladen> mak: night night
[02:52] <randabis-laptop> uh oh
[02:52] <randabis-laptop> whar's me gnome panels? lol
[02:52] <randabis-laptop> they never loaded
[02:52] <mak> oh ok. thanks sladen for all your help
[02:52] <randabis-laptop> I'll reboot
[02:52] <rob0> pinning?
[02:52] <evildrdan> i just installed ubuntu on my toshiba tecra... everything seemed to go smooth, but after i logged in nothing happened.... no gnome splash screen ar anything like that
[02:53] <rob0> crimsun, in Slackware I compile things with checkinstall, but that's different since there is no dependency database.
[02:53] <tritium> Hmm, 2.6.10-5 is acting strange after a lid closure
[02:53] <rob0> s/compile/install/
[02:55] <ZzeCoOl> how can i restart samba?
[02:55] <rob0> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#mono <-- looks like it might be applicable
[02:55] <crimsun> rob0: checkinstall is quite a hack
[02:57] <Suzie12345> Why would my sudo apt-get update not work?
[02:58] <mcphail> Suzie12345: have you checked out http://ubuntuguide.org ?
[02:58] <froust> Does anyone know how to get a usb drive functioning in ubuntu?
[02:59] <Suzie12345> thanks
[02:59] <crimsun> froust: should just work
[03:00] <froust> hmm.
[03:00] <froust> where do i find it then?
[03:06] <Elk_Brad> i found out what it was its a Trident Cyber Blade
[03:07] <Elk_Brad> so does Ubuntu support that chipset?
[03:07] <daniels> yes
[03:07] <rob0> KDE/XFCE let me switch desktops with Ctrl-FX ... how is that done in GNOME? Not finding it in the user guide :(
[03:07] <bob2> rob0: set it to whatever you want in computer -> desktop preferences -> key bindings
[03:07] <Elk_Brad> its a CyberBlade Xp version...are you sure?
[03:08] <Elk_Brad> i had problems when installed 98 on it
[03:08] <Elk_Brad> 98 didn't have drivers for it ...of course
[03:09] <daniels> Elk_Brad: as far as I know, it works fine
[03:10] <rob0> Woohoo! TY bob2 :)
[03:10] <Elk_Brad> i hope so, that way i can make some use out of it....i don't know why but the battery only lasts 30 mins
[03:12] <keith__> good morning/evening all
[03:12] <Elk_Brad> evening keith
[03:12] <Elk_Brad> anyone here have Earthlink as an ISP?
[03:12] <Elk_Brad> i feel like giving credits out today
[03:13] <racter> i'm having trouble figuring out how to edit the gnome menus.  any tips?
[03:13] <rob0> Elk_Brad, I used to, on cable now :)
[03:13] <randabis-laptop> right-click works heh
[03:13] <bob2> racter: applications:/// in nautilus
[03:13] <randabis-laptop> that too
[03:14] <Elk_Brad> earthlink offers DSL,CABLE,SAT even Powerline
[03:14] <racter> i've tried that, but it says"applications:/// is not a valid location"
[03:14] <rob0> not where I am, Comcast is the only one. :(
[03:14] <randabis-laptop> try
[03:14] <randabis-laptop> nautilus applications:/// in an xterm
[03:15] <Elk_Brad> rob0: we offer cable with comcast
[03:15] <Elk_Brad> rob0: you said : man lsusb right?
[03:15] <bob2> Elk_Brad: this seems a bit off-topic
[03:15] <mcphail> racter: right click on an application and select "add item to panel" etc
[03:15] <Elk_Brad> maybe but im always happy to offer fellow 'people' freebiees
[03:16] <Elk_Brad> rob0: did i remember correctly ?
[03:16] <big> yo
[03:17] <big> i need help on my game pls?
[03:17] <rob0> Elk_Brad, yes, that was me
[03:18] <Elk_Brad> rob0: if i find software on my mandrake 8.2 cds can i install them on ubuntu with the package installer?
[03:18] <bob2> no
[03:18] <randabis-laptop> lol
[03:18] <randabis-laptop> don't do that
[03:18] <randabis-laptop> haha
[03:18] <Elk_Brad> ...
[03:18] <big> i need help on my game pls?
[03:18] <randabis-laptop> what could possibly be on that cd that you can't get with apt?
[03:19] <Elk_Brad> um..i don't have internet at home so im stuck with looking for software on other distros to use with this one
[03:19] <bob2> big: you need to ask a question before someone can help you
[03:19] <rob0> Elk_Brad, things are compiled against different libraries and possibly with different settings, like paths.
[03:19] <bob2> Elk_Brad: maybe Earthlink can hook you up for free?
[03:20] <big> can aney one help me?
[03:20] <Elk_Brad> bob2: earthlink is a third party ISP, i only get dial up for free, and i am currently unable to use it all the time
[03:20] <Elk_Brad> big: whats wrong?
[03:20] <superkitty> Big what ya need?
[03:20] <big> do aney one have a ps2?
[03:20] <bob2> Elk_Brad: well, your mandrake cds are useless on ubuntu, sorry.
[03:20] <Elk_Brad> big: yes
[03:20] <bob2> big: this is an Ubuntu channell...try #playstation or something.
[03:21] <randabis-laptop> yeah i have a ps2, but that's a bit off-topic don't ya think?
[03:21] <Necrosan> big's a troll.
[03:21] <rob0> I have a thinkpad, more mobile than a PS/2 ;)
[03:21] <Elk_Brad> maybe he is trying to network his PS2 to his box with ubuntu ? (^o^;)
[03:22] <superkitty> anyone using KDE?
[03:22] <randabis-laptop> lol
[03:22] <randabis-laptop> eww kde
[03:22] <Elk_Brad> i think KDE uses too much resources
[03:22] <Elk_Brad> memory hog
[03:22] <bob2> and so does gnome
[03:23] <bob2> but this is also off-topic
[03:23] <rob0> bob2, what about using Debian source debs and building them, is that not safe on Ubuntu?
[03:23] <superkitty> Bob2 what5 do you use?
[03:23] <rob0> See, I need a lot of apps which are apparently not in universe.
[03:23] <randabis-laptop> dist-upgrade is going well so far
[03:23] <froust> does anyone know how to get a usb flash drive working?
[03:24] <bob2> rob0: tht's safe
[03:24] <Elk_Brad> froust: i had same problem
[03:24] <superkitty> froust mine is plugnplay
[03:24] <bob2> froust: you just plug it in
[03:24] <froust> i did just plug it in
[03:24] <bob2> froust: if it has a hfs or ntfs filesystem, then you'll hit a bug in warty
[03:24] <Elk_Brad> well i can't use mine on ubuntu
[03:24] <froust> i'm in hoary
[03:24] <froust> it's fat16
[03:24] <bob2> froust: then perhaps it's broken.  what does the bts say?
[03:24] <Elk_Brad> so is mine
[03:24] <superkitty> froust i am using warty and it works fine
[03:24] <rattboi> damn, I need to update my ubuntu
[03:25] <froust> Elk: you didn't fix it?
[03:25] <rattboi> when's the next stable out?
[03:25] <froust> couldn't fix it rather
[03:25] <randabis-laptop> april
[03:25] <Elk_Brad> mine can't be broken since it works on XP
[03:25] <froust> bob2: bts?
[03:25] <froust> yeah... mine works on fc2
[03:25] <bob2> froust: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:25] <froust> and why does my menu (applications/system/places) keep freezing?
[03:26] <bob2> froust: when you login?
[03:26] <froust> no
[03:26] <froust> right now
[03:27] <Necrosan> bob2: you use ubuntu/ppc?
[03:27] <bob2> Necrosan: yes
[03:27] <Necrosan> bob2: Any good?
[03:27] <bob2> Necrosan: excellent.
[03:27] <bob2> except for broadcom's silliness, I'd be completely happy.
[03:27] <Necrosan> do you also use MoL?
[03:28] <bob2> nope.
[03:28] <Necrosan> heh, i don't got an airport extreme, so :)
[03:28] <Necrosan> darn
[03:28] <Necrosan> Ever try MoL?
[03:28] <bob2> it panic'd my kernel once
[03:29] <Necrosan> oh..
[03:29] <Necrosan> Do you plan to try Tiger out of curiosity?
[03:29] <bob2> don't think that's a common occurence, tho
[03:29] <bob2> it sounds like it will cost a fair bit of money, so probably not
[03:31] <tritium> I wonder who the first person to put ubuntu on a minimac will be...
[03:32] <dreamer>  /me wonders why you would want to replace such an outstanding os with linux...
[03:32] <randabis-laptop> wow
[03:33] <randabis-laptop> that dist-upgrade was absolutely painless
[03:33] <randabis-laptop> :)
[03:33] <p00p> hi, a few minutes ago my laptop crashed pretty hard (running warty) -- nothing worked at all, screen froze, but somehow ctrl-alt-del rebooted it, and now when it loads X at boot it does the same thing. /var/log/XFree86.0.log lists "Fatal server error: lockup"
[03:33] <p00p> any suggestions/
[03:33] <p00p> ?
[03:35] <bob2> p00p: are you using propprietary X drivers?
[03:36] <p00p> bob2: uhh, i don't think so -- i didn't install any, i know that
[03:38] <p00p> heh is there anything short of format i can do about this?
[03:38] <rob0> dreamer, if I had a Mac I'd run Linux ... http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/philosophy.html :)
[03:38] <bob2> p00p: how would reformatting help?
[03:39] <p00p> bob2: worked before
[03:39] <p00p> bob2: i ran ubuntu for a few months successfully, this is a pretty fresh install
[03:39] <tritium> p00p, what video card do you have?
[03:39] <rob0> p00p, login to a text terminal, ctrl-alt-FX (X=1 thru 6)
[03:39] <p00p> rob0: can't change terminal -- already tried
[03:40] <p00p> tritium: it's onboard intel something or other, let me check
[03:40] <rob0> reminds me, I need to disable the gdm login
[03:41] <dreamer> rob0: I can't argue if it's your ideology ;)
[03:41] <p00p> tritium: intel 82852/855GM onboard
[03:41] <Necrosan> dreamer: I'd never install linux on my mac, heh.
[03:41] <Necrosan> OSX 4 lyfe
[03:41] <Necrosan> I get cool games too. :D
[03:41] <dreamer> ditto ;)
[03:41] <bob2> anyway.
[03:41] <AndyFitz> Necrosan: not even dual boot ?
[03:41] <Necrosan> maybe id throw a spare old hdd in to try linux out on it
[03:42] <Necrosan> but id never actually use it.. its pointless for me.
[03:42] <Necrosan> I got a UNIX based OS already. :)
[03:42] <AndyFitz> programs run kinda sluggish under x11 I've noticed
[03:42] <dreamer> I'd usually use it as an alternative to windows for specific tasks
[03:42] <Necrosan> I don't really use any linux stuff..
[03:42] <dreamer> and a mac would already fill that role
[03:42] <AndyFitz> I'm sure if I get a mac ill run dual boot .  osx for home  gnome for work
[03:43] <Necrosan> AndyFitz: I bet once you get used to OSX you won't need to.
[03:43] <Necrosan> And with all the recent releases of stuff... why would you want to?
[03:43] <dreamer> if I wanted to use linux stuff on osx I'd probably just run the included x server and mac binaries ;)
[03:43] <bob2> anyway, this is off-topic
[03:43] <bob2> lots of people feel the opposite way
[03:44] <dreamer> it's not exactly a heated argument
[03:44] <Elk_Brad> well bob2 you got that right
[03:44] <AndyFitz> Necrosan,  I am used to OSX  and I love it .  but inkscape , scribus gimp and gaim  and other programs I use all the time for work being sluggy is bloody irritating .     id want them to perform natively and best while I'm using them
[03:44] <randabis> hoary upgrade on main box is a complete success :p
[03:44] <AndyFitz> at home..  bring on the fire, itunes etc
[03:44] <Necrosan> AndyFitz: Dunno what most of those are. But check out www.adiumx.com
[03:45] <superkitty> randabis do you worry about it being unstalbe
[03:45] <froust> somehow my hoary install got stuck in 640x480
[03:45] <superkitty> unstable
[03:45] <froust> anyone have any idea why?
[03:45] <bob2> Elk_Brad: if you mean 'op', there are lots
[03:45] <bob2> froust: using nvidia?
[03:45] <Elk_Brad> yes an operator
[03:45] <Elk_Brad> anyone on jabber?
[03:45] <froust> bob: ati
[03:45] <nevyn> sure
[03:46] <AndyFitz> I am
[03:46] <dreamer> in general or ops?
[03:46] <Elk_Brad> anyone that has jabber also want to talk to me there , i prefer it there, and is there a room made for ubuntu?
[03:47] <AndyFitz> Necrosan,  yeah I've got no hassles with IM applications . and would use whatever.  but I do love the evolution gaim integration :)   like I said .  osx for play  gnome for work
[03:48] <dreamer> AndyFitz: and for sure, if you're comfortable with your tools, and productive - why change? especially if the alternative isn't so free ;)
[03:49] <froust> AHA!!!
[03:49] <froust> I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT
[03:50] <Elk_Brad> what froust? your usb flash drive?
[03:51] <enntee> I'm having a problem with hotplug. At random intervals, my mouse cursor freezes. If I open up a terminal and run "hotplug restart", everything is peachy again. Any thoughts?
[03:51] <froust> NO
[03:51] <froust> my resolution thing.. but i didn't
[03:52] <Elk_Brad> oh...
[03:52] <yojimbosan> Does tasksel work for Ubuntu? I installed a box without X, and want to put it on there now ...
[03:52] <big> ho hnows or have a http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/onimusha_3_a.txt ?
[03:53] <p00p> what's the best method for reinstalling xfree86?
[03:53] <bob2> yojimbosan: 'ubuntu-desktop' is a good package to get
[03:54] <yojimbosan> cool :-)
[03:54] <VR^> i'm still having problems with my cable modem, can't connect
[03:54] <randabis> froust probably your x.org config file
[03:55] <randabis> make sure horizontal and vertical syncs are set
[03:55] <bob2> you don't need to set them
[03:55] <randabis> sometimes it doesn't add them for some reason
[03:55] <AndyFitz> dreamer, totally agree mate.
[03:55] <dreamer> I rather like the look of pages .. hmmmm
[03:55] <AndyFitz> speaking of macs that evolution ipod integration looks pretty sweet
[03:55] <randabis> bob2 I had the same problem as him, and adding that to the config file fixed the problem
[03:56] <dreamer> randabis: oh yeah I had to do that to get 1280x1024 to work heh
[03:56] <randabis> 	HorizSync	30-65
[03:56] <randabis> 	VertRefresh	50-75
[03:56] <randabis> that fixed it for me
[03:56] <AndyFitz> http://nat.org/2005/january/evo-ipod.png
[03:56] <AndyFitz> /me drools
[03:57] <randabis> heh
[03:57] <dreamer> nice
[03:57] <dreamer> currently I have to go through the pain of bluetooth and outlook to get such information onto my cellphone
[03:57] <yojimbosan> thanks bob2, that's 500M download (of course, the CD isn't here when I want it!) so I'll come back in a little while to tell you that it worked ... :-)
[04:00] <p00p> what should i do if xfree86 crashed while running and now crashes at boot?
[04:03] <dreamer> wish I could help
[04:03] <dreamer> you couldn't try updating it with apt-get or something?
[04:03] <big> i need help?
[04:04] <yojimbosan> p00p - look in /var/log/XFree86-* for clues. Then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to try different video modes
[04:04] <bob2> big: please; ps2 is not on-topic here.
[04:05] <p00p> yojimbosan: "Fatal server error: lockup" in the log, i'll try dpkg-reconfigure now
[04:05] <bob2> p00p: try asking on the list
[04:05] <p00p> heh i don't really have the patience for that.. i'll just wipe it and reinstall if it comes to that
[04:06] <big> yttt
[04:06] <big> ty
[04:06] <yojimbosan> p00p - reconfigure won't help if you don't know what you want to try
[04:06] <yojimbosan> do you get any video output? I guess you do ... so changing video drivers won't help.
[04:06] <p00p> the mouse pointer flicks on for a second
[04:06] <p00p> then disappears
[04:07] <p00p> the screen will go back and forth a little bit from being totally black to being illuminated black
[04:07] <yojimbosan> perhaps try running lower resolution for a while. use "lspci" to confirm that you have the right video card selected.
[04:07] <p00p> yojimbosan: everything was working up until x randomly crashed, do you think those settings could have somehow changed?
[04:08] <yojimbosan> possible, but unlikely
[04:08] <yojimbosan> you might have a genuine hardware issue?
[04:08] <dreamer> I was wondering that also
[04:08] <p00p> i don't think so
[04:08] <p00p> the live cd works
[04:08] <yojimbosan> ok, that was a good test
[04:08] <p00p> heh i was hoping for a "broken x, use this to fix" option on the menu :(
[04:08] <randabis> haha weird problem
[04:09] <randabis> I'm trying to install new themes
[04:09] <yojimbosan> Is it possible to steal the XF86Config file from the live CD when it's running, and use that?
[04:09] <randabis> but it keeps telling me I don't have permission
[04:09] <tritium> p00p, you're using XFree on Hoary, and not X.org?
[04:10] <p00p> tritium: warty
[04:11] <tritium> okay, just checking
[04:11] <randabis> so..anybody have any ideas?
[04:12] <randabis> perhaps I should run the theme proggy as root...but I don't see why I would need to be root to add themes
[04:13] <randabis> lol I can't even CHANGE my theme
[04:13] <skreet> How do I share a printer with a windows machine?
[04:13] <randabis> I think this might be a hoary problem
[04:13] <enntee> Are there any decent gnome music player alternatives to rhythmbox?
[04:13] <randabis> xmms, vlc
[04:13] <hypa7ia> beep!
[04:13] <p00p> i just ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and it seems to be working now... wtf
[04:13] <skreet> How do I share a printer with a windows machine? Anyone?
[04:14] <p00p> skreet: is the printer hooked UP to the windows machine?
[04:14] <skreet> Nope, its on this computer.
[04:14] <skreet> I want the windows machine to be able to print to my *nix box
[04:14] <skreet> :D
[04:14] <p00p> oh sorry i haven't done that, i would imagine using samba though
[04:14] <randabis> yeah you use samba
[04:14] <randabis> I did it before
[04:15] <p00p> you could do it other ways like with cups i think, but i don't really know
[04:15] <randabis> well actually I didn't
[04:15] <randabis> nevermind lol
[04:15] <yojimbosan> p00p ; good news. :-) no idea why that worked, though!
[04:15] <p00p> well i changed one option
[04:15] <p00p> the rest i left default, i think
[04:15] <yojimbosan> and the option was?
[04:16] <p00p> ahh here we go, i had to run it agian to look, lol
[04:16] <yojimbosan> skreet: install samba - that will share your printers when configured right.
[04:16] <p00p> kernel framebuffer device -- i picked yes because the description said yes was the safe bet
[04:16] <p00p> but no was the default
[04:16] <randabis> so anybody know why I wouldn't be able to change or install themes?
[04:16] <skreet> samba isnt included with ubuntu?
[04:16] <p00p> skreet: apt-get install samba
[04:16] <randabis> it is included, but not installed by default
[04:16] <tritium> skreet, it's available
[04:17] <skreet> Okay I"m isntalling "samba"
[04:17] <yojimbosan> it's on the CD :-) just not installed unless you ask for it
[04:17] <yojimbosan> randabis - what were you trying to do, and how?
[04:17] <skreet> How do I start "samba" is there a GUI for it?
[04:18] <yojimbosan> no GUI, it's a system service.
[04:18] <randabis> what do you mean?
[04:18] <skreet> Alright let me google this, Thanks for the help guys.
[04:18] <yojimbosan> randabis: I meant, how were you trying to install a theme?
[04:18] <randabis> with the theme manager in Desktop --> Preferences --> Theme
[04:19] <superkitty> Rand have you any problems with Hoary?
[04:19] <randabis> not really...except this theme problem
[04:19] <yojimbosan> can you change between themes already present?
[04:19] <randabis> no
[04:19] <yojimbosan> error msg?
[04:20] <randabis> no
[04:20] <jintonic> hmm... i just installed phpbb via apt-get but its not setup to my apache server
[04:20] <randabis> except when I try to install themes
[04:20] <superkitty> randabis why did you upgrade?
[04:20] <randabis> it says I have insufficient permissions
[04:20] <yojimbosan> did you get prompted for a password before running the Themes app?
[04:20] <randabis> superkitty because I wanted to be bleeding edge
[04:20] <randabis> no I didn't
[04:20] <jintonic> ah! nevermind... i guess its just shortcutted somehow
[04:21] <StolenShoeBox> can someone send me a link to the Macworld 2005 keynote. I want to watch it but when I go to the site I cant. (no quicktime)
[04:21] <yojimbosan> randabis: try from a terminal session "sudo gnome-theme-manager"
[04:22] <superkitty> randabis not worried about breakages?
[04:22] <randabis> still giving me the insufficient permissions error
[04:22] <poot> i'm trying to install k3b but a menu keeps telling me cdrecord and cdrdao don't run with root privileges. what do I do?
[04:22] <randabis> superkitty not really
[04:22] <randabis> this is weird
[04:23] <randabis> it wouldn't change themes either
[04:23] <telewazit> i have a dual boot system. windows won't boot from grub. i've looked in the ubuntu forums and couldn't find anything that told me how to fix it
[04:23] <telewazit> please help
[04:23] <randabis> I think this may be a 2.9.4 bug or maybe a hoary bug
[04:23] <yojimbosan> OK, then the app probably has a fault, it's not permissions based. searched bugzilla?
[04:23] <randabis> I'll search now
[04:24] <randabis> and if it isn't in there I'll file a bug
[04:24] <telewazit> one forum thread said change root (hd0,0) to the correct partition
[04:25] <telewazit> but i'm pretty sure (hd0,0) IS the correct partition
[04:25] <telewazit> windows in installed on the first hard drive
[04:26] <yojimbosan> telewazit: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo/view might help?
[04:26] <yojimbosan> actually, it probably won't, sorry
[04:27] <yojimbosan> http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/ would be better
[04:28] <mcphail> # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
[04:28] <mcphail> # on /dev/hda1
[04:28] <mcphail> title           Windows NT/2000/XP
[04:28] <mcphail> root            (hd0,0)
[04:28] <mcphail> savedefault
[04:28] <mcphail> makeactive
[04:28] <mcphail> chainloader     +1
[04:28] <mcphail> Add this to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:28] <randabis> argh
[04:29] <randabis> use #flood
[04:29] <telewazit> mcphail: it's already there
[04:29] <telewazit> it was working before
[04:29] <telewazit> now it's not
[04:29] <tritium> telewazit, did you change your LBA setting in the BIOS setup?
[04:29] <poot> anybody use k3b in here?
[04:30] <pdkl> mcphail,  the problem is most likely you do not have lba enabled on the harddrive
[04:30] <telewazit> tritium: i never touch any of that stuff in the bios
[04:30] <telewazit> it was working
[04:30] <tritium> is LBA enabled?
[04:30] <AndyFitz> poot:  I did but then I updated hoary now it won't install
[04:30] <telewazit> i havenot changed the bios
[04:30] <pdkl> heh
[04:30] <tritium> okay, but often, Windows won't boot from grub unless LBA is enabled
[04:30] <telewazit> tritium: i have not changed the bios - it was working
[04:31] <poot> what do you use to burn with AndyFitz?
[04:31] <telewazit> now it is not
[04:31] <tritium> okay, I'm just letting you know
[04:32] <AndyFitz> k3blibs: Depends: libflac++2c102  but it is not installable
[04:32] <AndyFitz> heh.  it was working not a week ago and now the update removed it :-/
[04:32] <AndyFitz> poot:  I use/d k3b
[04:32] <gusto> hi, I'm unable to su, how do  fix this?
[04:32] <AndyFitz> gusto:  sudo -s
[04:32] <telewazit> tritium: for reasons i won't go into here, i had to do a grub-install via a mandrake rescue disk. it worked. i got grub back and ubuntu boots fine. but now windows won't boot
[04:33] <gusto> AndyFitz: thanks
[04:33] <poot> AndyFitz: did you have any problems installing it before? I keep getting a system configuration problems menu
[04:34] <telewazit> these setting look correct but when i select windows at the grub menu the screen blinks, briefly shows the contents of the menu.lst then bounces me back to the menu
[04:34] <tritium> telewazit, that's exactly what happens when LBA is not enabled.  it's at least worth checking your settings once
[04:35] <telewazit> tritium: ok, thank you. i'll check. but that would be really strange considering i didn't touch the bios
[04:36] <mcphail> The mandrake disk may well have caused this wrt LBA. Bug in early kernel 2.6 / QTParted wasn't it?
[04:36] <telewazit> mcphail: mandrake changed the bios???
[04:37] <poot> I just want to install k3b but I need a stinking root password and I can't figure it out? what the hell?
[04:37] <telewazit> i didn't know it could do that
[04:37] <mcphail> It changes how the geometry is reported. Worth a google before you start playing with it.
[04:38] <telewazit> mcphail: geometry?! I don't have a clue what that means
[04:38] <telewazit> mcphail: so you're saying i shouldn't change the LBA settings?
[04:39] <telewazit> mcphail: how am i supposed to fix it?
[04:39] <mcphail> Not until you google. I think there was a good tutorial on the Mandrake or Fedora fora
[04:39] <Zepp> Does ubuntu support dbus/hal/automounting etc out of the box or do you have to set that up on your own?
[04:40] <Zepp> Oh so you have to setup yourself eh. Ok I was just curious :)
[04:40] <telewazit> mcphail: what am i supposed to be looking for?
[04:41] <Zepp> Looking for a easier to setup less work on my part for family comp distro :P
[04:41] <poot> why won't anyone help me?
[04:42] <crimsun> poot: it's a faq on the web site
[04:42] <tritium> poot, there is no root password until you set one.  It's an FAQ.  Read them.
[04:42] <pdkl> poot, there
[04:42] <pdkl> nm tritium answered it ;)
[04:42] <pdkl> poot, use sudo apt-get install <package>
[04:43] <pdkl> and the sudo password is your user password
[04:43] <mcphail> telewazit: google: fedora lba geometry gives results. Try http://www.ces.clemson.edu/linux/fc2.shtml for a start
[04:44] <telewazit> mcphail: thanks
[04:45] <tritium> telewazit, and you'll see that one of the fixes is to set LBA in your BIOS
[04:47] <mcphail> I think that it is important to set LBA before you run into the problem. Not sure it fixes things after the event.
[04:48] <telewazit> crap, this is uncomfortably complicated
[04:48] <tritium> mcphail, I've seen it fix after the fact.  Earlier today, as a matter of fact.
[04:48] <mcphail> Fortunately, I didn't have the problem
[04:49] <skreet> What do you guys recommend for playing DVD movies?
[04:49] <telewazit> a dvd player
[04:49] <rattboi> lol
[04:49] <dreamer> helpful comment of the day goes to: telewazit
[04:49] <dreamer> somebody give that man a cookie
[04:49] <skreet> Wow.
[04:49] <chewvl> lol
[04:49] <telewazit> seriously, watch dvds on even windows is a pain
[04:49] <skreet> That was helpful. I'm going to buy a DVD player right now..
[04:49] <skreet> No it's not.
[04:49] <dreamer> I use media player classic in windows, no idea in linux
[04:50] <skreet> I open MPC and it works like a charm
[04:50] <skreet> :D
[04:50] <skreet> apparently mplayer is the way to go but no .deb to be found.
[04:50] <skreet> alien causes issues :(
[04:50] <mcphail> skreet: http:ubuntuguide.org/
[04:51] <telewazit> skreet: do a search on the WIKI
[04:51] <chewvl> skreet: doesn't the marillat repo has a .deb for MPlayer?
[04:51] <skreet> Not sure I dont think I'm using that repo, do you have the info for it?
[04:51] <chewvl> wait
[04:51] <crimsun> that repo is broken for Warty
[04:51] <skreet> Oh is it?
[04:52] <mcphail> Works for me
[04:52] <stuNNed> works here as well
[04:52] <skreet> I'll try it out, wanna hook me up with the info?
[04:52] <stuNNed> on warty
[04:52] <chewvl> skreet: # Marillat's repository for acidrip, acroread, acroread-debian-files, acroread-$deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:52] <skreet> Thank ya.
[04:52] <crimsun> mplayer is installable from that repo?
[04:53] <crimsun> I thought Christian rebuilt everything against newer Sid packages.
[04:53] <stuNNed> afaik think so
[04:53] <chewvl> nps but blame everybody else, blame your cat but not me if anything goes horribly wrong ;)
[04:53] <stuNNed> could be wrong though
[04:53] <stuNNed> crimsun, i'll fire up laptop and check, one sec
[04:53] <skreet> is it a binary or source repo?
[04:53] <chewvl> skreet: binary
[04:55] <skreet> okay i can select mplayer but it gives me all kind of "requires dep * but is not going to be installed."
[04:55] <skreet> :\\
[04:55] <skreet> ouch had a couple problems doing a reload to: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net warty/unstable Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_warty_unstable_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:56] <chewvl> hmm skreet could you not have Totem or gxine play the stuff you want played with MPlyer?
[04:56] <skreet> Totem didnt want to play any of the .vob files :(
[04:56] <stuNNed> crimsun, yep, broken, sorry about that
[04:56] <stuNNed> skreet, seems broken with warty
[04:56] <mcphail> libdvdcss2 installed?
[04:56] <stuNNed> skreet, what's wrong with totem-xine?
[04:56] <chewvl> skreet: ahh I think it is a codec issue then, not just the player
[04:57] <skreet> I isntalled all the dvd player options to my knowledge, any suggestions which ones i need?
[04:57] <skreet> And which .vob do I open to start the menu :\
[04:58] <skreet> I love how Go > DVD Menu is grayed out but it sits there to HAUNT me :P
[04:58] <mcphail> skreet: http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[04:59] <chewvl> skreet: inTotem, there's an option to -> 'Play Disc' use that
[04:59] <skreet> I do and it launches the open files dialog which confused me :(
[05:00] <chewvl> hmmm doesn't HAL + D-Bus handles everything automagically? Most of me dvds play ok i.e. 'Play Disc' and go. Albeit they are all pr0n :X
[05:01] <skreet> So I installed that css2..
[05:01] <skreet> and still the same behavior, do I need to do anything else? :P
[05:01] <chewvl> skreet: yeah install that if you haven't done so already
[05:01] <skreet> yep it's all set.
[05:01] <skreet> still no luck with totem
[05:01] <stuNNed> skreet, you can get libdvdcss and w32codecs from marillats repo afaik
[05:02] <randabis> or just get it by default in hoary :p
[05:02] <chewvl> hmm what about clicking on indvl .vob file, does that play anything?
[05:02] <randabis> err
[05:02] <skreet> Totem could not play 'file:///media/cdrom1/VIDEO_TS/VTS_02_1.VOB'.
[05:02] <skreet> Failed to open; reason unknown
[05:02] <randabis> I mean in multiverse
[05:02] <skreet> It plays an error dialog ! :D
[05:02] <skreet> Which is a fair bit less entertaining than the cunning with of Futurama.
[05:02] <skreet> *witt
[05:03] <skreet> *wit?
[05:03] <mcphail> Have you killed all totem and restarted?
[05:03] <chewvl> yeah if everything else fails, perhaps hoary is the answer but that is assuming you already have the w32codecs and dvdcss installed
[05:03] <randabis> oops
[05:03] <skreet> I just tried a killall but no lingering procs
[05:03] <randabis> hoary doesn't have those nvm
[05:04] <AndyFitz> yeah both xine and mplayer arent playing some of my divx
[05:04] <AndyFitz> in hoary whereas it was all good in warty
[05:04] <skreet> hey man one video problem at a time :D
[05:04] <skreet> is hoary buggy? do i have to reformat? :\
[05:04] <chewvl> nah...be it warty or hoary one still has to have both of those packages installed to play proprietary video/audio formats
[05:05] <skreet> dvd is pretty standard i'm surprised to see this little support in linux.
[05:05] <AndyFitz> hehe :) yeah I appreciate that you have to install totem-xine.  but its not doing its job
[05:05] <chewvl> skreet: strange...they play well on both me Ubuntu and Debian Sid systems hmm
[05:06] <mindphasr> skreet: Its a proprietory standard that has as much support in linux than anyone else. Download the same codecs and pick a player. it's simple
[05:06] <skreet> I'm not using totem-xine.
[05:06] <skreet> I'm using totem that came with Ubuntu, should I get the totem-xine package?
[05:06] <chewvl> skreet: no harm installing me guess
[05:07] <skreet> i'll give it a shot
[05:07] <skreet> you're using totem-xine on both machines?
[05:07] <zenrox> i just use xine or gxine
[05:07] <skreet> Well now I got a different crappy errors
[05:08] <Guardiann> good evening everyone
[05:08] <zenrox> hello
[05:08] <chewvl> skreet: do you have /usr/bin/gst-register-0.6 or/and /usr/bin/gst-register-0.8? Run that
[05:08] <skreet> it would be a far better evening if my dvd playback worked. :D
[05:08] <skreet> should be 0.8 let me run it.
[05:08] <chewvl> you have to update the plugins every now and then
[05:09] <telewazit> that LBA thing didn't help
[05:09] <skreet> I have both chewvl. Which should I run?
[05:09] <chewvl> both
[05:09] <chewvl> then try again...keep your fingers crossed that is ;)
[05:09] <telewazit> i guess i'm going to have to rewrite the MBR with fixmbr - again
[05:09] <skreet> Meh didnt help...
[05:09] <skreet> :(
[05:09] <skreet> Got me all excited.
[05:09] <skreet> Is there a reason it's mounted /cdrom, do I have to mount a DVD different?
[05:10] <mcphail> no
[05:10] <chewvl> hmmm...this is strange...all me pr0n dvd titles played well hmmm
[05:10] <zenrox> chewvl,  mine too
[05:10] <chewvl> zenrox: ;)
[05:10] <zenrox> hehehe
[05:11] <skreet> OH WTF
[05:12] <skreet> chewvl, for the hell of it i tried sudo gxine
[05:12] <telewazit> so my partition tables are some how mangled... then why does windows bott at all when i use fixmbr?
[05:12] <skreet> Works like a dream.
[05:12] <telewazit> *boot
[05:12] <skreet> Now I have to figure out how to get this working 100%
[05:12] <chewvl> skreet: and you can run it that way?
[05:12] <skreet> yes.
[05:12] <skreet> :(
[05:12] <skreet> any ideas what libs i need to chmod/own?
[05:13] <skreet> Man linux isnt good at multitasking while video/games are running though :P
[05:13] <chewvl> hmmm is not normal user already added to audio, video, cdrom....?
[05:13] <skreet> Actually this is running kinda skippy period.
[05:14] <skreet> I can access the drives no problem
[05:14] <skreet> but the codecs wont load..?
[05:16] <skreet> wow to be honest, all the lag i was getting in gxine is gone in totem
[05:16] <skreet> good to know.
[05:16] <stuNNed> is there any way to downgrade to warty?
[05:16] <skreet> dist-downgrade? :P
[05:17] <stuNNed> n/m found it in the wiki :P
[05:17] <chewvl> skreet: if you have totem-xine, w32codecs, libdvdread3, libdvdread3-dev, libdvdnav-dev, libdvdnav4, libdvdplay0, libdvdplay0-dev, libdvdcss2, libdvdcss2-dev installed...I don't know what else you need hmmm
[05:17] <Guardiann> stunned not happy with hoary?
[05:18] <skreet> chewvl, No it's working under root
[05:18] <skreet> so it's just a chmod needed on some file.
[05:19] <chewvl> is user e.g. skreet already added to groups 'audio','video' what have you?
[05:19] <skreet> I think so, not sure.
[05:19] <HostingGeek> skreet: linux is good at mutli task no matter what you are doing
[05:19] <skreet> Any idea how to reduce general slowdown while watching a DVD
[05:19] <chewvl> of and the group cdrom too
[05:19] <skreet> HostingGeek, Well, apparently not.
[05:20] <skreet> HostingGeek, Any advice on how I can improve the lagginess while using a game or dvd in a window
[05:20] <skreet> It's pretty bad.
[05:20] <HostingGeek> skreet: then you know nothing on how multi tasking works on linux
[05:20] <HostingGeek> skreet: blame gstreamer
[05:20] <skreet> HostingGeek, You're really helpful, thanks.
[05:21] <stuNNed> Guardiann, totem is broken is the main thing, gconf error or something
[05:21] <HostingGeek> gstreamer is really bug right now i sudgest to down grade a version
[05:21] <stuNNed> Guardiann, and would rather just use stable
[05:21] <skreet> HostingGeek, Hm. Can I just bypass it?
[05:21] <skreet> HostingGeek, Not use gstreamer at all?
[05:21] <HostingGeek> and not hear anything or be able to play any vidoes... yes
[05:22] <skreet> haha
[05:22] <skreet> There was video playback before gstreamer.
[05:22] <HostingGeek> gstreamer decodes everything now
[05:22] <skreet> even on non-gnome systems?
[05:22] <HostingGeek> totem-xine is dropped
[05:22] <HostingGeek> skreet: yes its a freedesktop standard
[05:22] <HostingGeek> kde uses it already
[05:23] <skreet> Heh, okay.
[05:23] <skreet> It's been a bit since I've done the linux thing.
[05:23] <skreet> Although I'm very impressed right now.
[05:23] <skreet> Lots of good improvments, especially in video/gaming support.
[05:23] <HostingGeek> lots of distros.....
[05:27] <randabis> heh seems my problem with installing themes is occurring with a lot of people using hoary
[05:28] <stuNNed> Guardiann, and /dev/hdc, /dev/hdd disappeared :P
[05:28] <Guardiann> :)
[05:29] <crimsun> stuNNed: what packages did mplayer-586 [for warty]  choke on?
[05:29] <stuNNed> crimsun, libarts0, libfrididi0, libggi2, libungif4g
[05:29] <HostingGeek> bob2: wtf is up with this page http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-distros.en.html where are the debian based distros?
[05:31] <bob2> HostingGeek: submit a patch.
[05:31] <HostingGeek> bob2: where?
[05:32] <crimsun> stuNNed: I'm backporting it from hoary; if you're willing to try the packages, I'll let you know from where to grab them when it finishes.
[05:32] <stuNNed> crimsun, awesome, of course :)
[05:32] <StolenShoeBox> can someone link eme to a downloadable version of the macworld 2005 keynote?
[05:32] <bob2> HostingGeek: debian-www@lists.debian.org
[05:32] <stuNNed> crimsun, attempting the downgrade as mentioned per the wiki
[05:33] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: ##mwsf
[05:33] <HostingGeek> OK MY friend just did apt-get remove kernel.... as someone else told him to do it
[05:33] <HostingGeek> now we need to make sure its not possible to do that
[05:34] <HostingGeek> we don't want more people removing there kernel because some **** told them to
[05:34] <bob2> HostingGeek: now we don't
[05:34] <bob2> HostingGeek: please think this through a bit more before making claims
[05:34] <chewvl> HostingGeek: your friend removed ALL kernels including the current working one?
[05:34] <StolenShoeBox> bob2: ?
[05:34] <StolenShoeBox> hoin ##mwsf
[05:34] <bob2> StolenShoeBox: ask in that channel
[05:35] <StolenShoeBox> bob2: your always such great help. thx again
[05:35] <randabis> lol
[05:35] <HostingGeek> chewvl: yes someone told him to do it with the --force-yes tag
[05:35] <HostingGeek> chewvl: he remove the only ernel he had installed
[05:36] <bob2> HostingGeek: your friend needs to learn to a) not talk to people who have no clue and to b) not to run commands they don't understand
[05:36] <StolenShoeBox> lol
[05:36] <chewvl> HostingGeek: good, sound advice...bet your friend is having quite an experience atm LOL
[05:37] <HostingGeek> bob2: its possible it can happen again A) Ubuntu must not alllow it and  B) ubuntu must not allow rm -rf /
[05:37] <binReapr> hi
[05:37] <chewvl> never ever trust a stranger completely without first confirming, verifying what one has been told
[05:37] <bob2> HostingGeek: er, whatever you reckon
[05:37] <bob2> stopping b) is impossible and pointless
[05:37] <froust> What lines do I need to add to my sources.list to upgrade to hoary?
[05:38] <froust> i've replaced all instances of warty with hoary
[05:38] <Zepp> Does ubuntu come with dbus/hal/automount type setup on default install?
[05:38] <HostingGeek> bob2: no mandrake has done it
[05:38] <bob2> Zepp: yes
[05:38] <bob2> HostingGeek: I really really doubt that
[05:38] <Zepp> bob2, awesome thanks.
[05:38] <bob2> HostingGeek: if people run commands they don't understand as root, there's nothing you can do to protect them
[05:39] <HostingGeek> bob2: /join #mandrake and ask
[05:39] <chewvl> froust: ran 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' yet? hope you know what you are getting yourself into...
[05:39] <bob2> HostingGeek: no thanks
[05:39] <binReapr> ok, before a make install, when  configure someting and I want it to appear in the gnome menu, is this right? ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc
[05:39] <bob2> binReapr: no
[05:39] <froust> chewvl, yeah... i did that
[05:39] <binReapr> ups, what I did then?
[05:40] <froust> it upgraded everything but hoary
[05:40] <bob2> binReapr: thinks will not appear in the gnome menu automatically unless they have .desktop files, and do not ever use --prefix=/usr
[05:40] <vitriol> anybody know what i need to install to get dri working on an mga card?
[05:40] <binReapr> what --prefix=/usr do?
[05:40] <rob0> I once used "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda" and the hard drive was unbootable, does Ubuntu prevent me from doing that? ;)
[05:40] <binReapr> Im installing this gdesklets thing and it says is better
[05:41] <bob2> binReapr: it puts the files in /usr/, which is bad because you can't easily remove it
[05:41] <bob2> binReapr: dpkg is in charge of /usr, putting other stuff there is asking for trouble
[05:41] <bob2> binReapr: also, gdesklets is *in* Ubuntu already
[05:41] <binReapr> ups, didnt knew, in the repository?
[05:41] <rob0> binReapr, the default --prefix for autoconf packages is /usr/local
[05:41] <bob2> binReapr: in universe, yes
[05:42] <HostingGeek> bob2: meh i was wrong but ubuntu should tell the user what he is doing if he ver runs that command and ask him if he wants to cont. even with the -f tag
[05:42] <bob2> HostingGeek: why?
[05:42] <bob2> HostingGeek: unless some malicious/stupid person told your friend how to do it, he/she never would have removed it
[05:42] <rob0> binReapr, http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
[05:43] <randabis> HostingGeek...uh it does
[05:43] <HostingGeek> bob2: because some moron one day will edit the wiki to say this
[05:43] <HostingGeek> randabis: i said WITH the -f tag
[05:43] <randabis> ah
[05:43] <randabis> my bad
[05:43] <bob2> HostingGeek: the wiki already contains lots of wrong information
[05:43] <binReapr> ok, anyway, my installation didnt succeed because I missed a lib, the settings stay with --prefix=/usr?? or can I compile again without it?
[05:43] <bob2> HostingGeek: anyway, this is off-topic
[05:44] <HostingGeek> bob2: and its also offtopic in #ubuntu-devel and in #ubuntu-offtopic and in .....
[05:44] <bob2> HostingGeek: yes, indeed
[05:44] <bluefoxicy> what the hel
[05:45] <bluefoxicy> I left some space free
[05:45] <binReapr> ok,forget that, how can I uninstall something I compiled and installed??
[05:45] <bluefoxicy> and ubuntu made a 30G extended partition
[05:45] <bluefoxicy> with 20G after it
[05:46] <setite> hey
[05:46] <setite> where can i find SB Live! driver(s)
[05:46] <bluefoxicy> emu10k1
[05:46] <bluefoxicy> part of 2.6
[05:49] <setite> anyone?
[05:51] <bob2> binReapr: if you installed it to /usr, you can't unless 'make uninstall works'
[05:51] <bob2> setite: er, you already have it loaded
[05:52] <setite> not for me
[05:52] <bob2> snd_emu10k1
[05:52] <setite> for a fellow member of overclock.net who uses suse
[05:52] <setite> i don't know if he actually needs it... but he seems to think he does
[05:52] <bob2> they should really be in #suse then, since how it gets loaded varies per-distro
[05:52] <setite> oh does it
[05:52] <setite> damn suse
[05:53] <setite> ok thanks.. i'll ask in there
[05:53] <telewazit> i have a serious problem and i need advice
[05:54] <telewazit> i can't access windows. i tried fixmbr using the xp rescue option. but grub still comes up
[05:54] <setite> they aren't very active which sucks.. thats the reason i chose ubuntu
[05:54] <telewazit> grub won't go away
[05:54] <setite> i need to have an active IRC support crew to get me through
[05:54] <setite> grub doesnt have windows listed
[05:55] <setite> and your serious problem is wanting to get back to windows
[05:55] <setite> have you booted into windows since you installed linux?
[05:55] <telewazit> no
[05:55] <telewazit> windows is listed
[05:55] <setite> it is ok then what happens when you select it
[05:56] <telewazit> i've been through this already. i've tried changing the lba settings
[05:56] <telewazit> it doesn't work
[05:56] <setite> disregard the "it is ok then" that was part of another statement
[05:56] <telewazit> and using fixmbr doesn't fix anything. i can't make grub go away
[05:57] <setite> ok why do you want to get rid of grub... do you not want linux
[05:57] <setite> or are you just mad it wont let you in windoze
[05:57] <froust> you can configure grub to load windows
[05:58] <alka_trash> froust: yep
[05:58] <telewazit> grub is already configured to load windows
[05:58] <setite> telewazit... what happens when you tell it to boot windows
[05:58] <froust> brb.
[05:58] <alka_trash> winders loads
[05:58] <setite> alka are you speaking for him from knowledge or guessing
[05:59] <telewazit> setite: nothing happens. the screen blinks and briefly shows the contents of the menu.lst then bounces me back to the grub menu
[05:59] <alka_trash> I have done it before,
[05:59] <randabis> hey telewazit
[05:59] <randabis> try this
[05:59] <setite> odd
[05:59] <randabis> go into your bios
[05:59] <randabis> go into your hard drive settings
[05:59] <randabis> change all hard drives to LBA
[06:00] <telewazit> randabis: been there, done that, didn't work
[06:00] <randabis> ah
[06:00] <crimsun> stuNNed: ping
[06:02] <binReapr> can I make a standard folder for installinf files,lets say /usr/testfolders and use ./config --prefix=/testfolders?? is recommendable?
[06:03] <bob2> yes
[06:03] <bob2> most people use /usr/local for that
[06:03] <setite> is it possible to make windows view and access the linux partition?
[06:03] <binReapr> thnx
[06:03] <setite> not for me... for someone else
[06:03] <setite> i dotn want windows touching my linux... i dont trust it
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> setite, only for reading
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> not writing
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> i have done it
[06:03] <setite> yea thats all i figured it could do... how is that done
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> only ext3 or ext2 readers
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> let me find the plugin
[06:04] <telewazit> how do i pry grub out of my MBR?
[06:04] <setite> how do i install a .deb
[06:04] <setite> just run it?
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> setite, look here ... http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ext2.htm
[06:05] <setite> what does chmod do
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> change mode
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> like r w x
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> read write execute
[06:05] <alka_trash> telewazit: you want to remove grub?
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> permissions
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> setite, try dpkg -i package.deb
[06:07] <telewazit> alka_trash: yes. and i already tried fixmbr and it's still won't go away
[06:07] <setite> 404 error
[06:08] <adoyretsamon> setite, on that site?
[06:08] <setite> yea.. but i went to http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ and it worked
[06:08] <adoyretsamon> ok
[06:08] <adoyretsamon> bad linke  i guess
[06:08] <setite> help
[06:08] <setite> dpkg: error processing cinelerra (--install):
[06:08] <setite>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[06:08] <setite> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:08] <setite>  cinelerra
[06:09] <setite> whats that mean
[06:09] <setite> did it not install?
[06:09] <adoyretsamon> setite, did you try synaptic
[06:09] <adoyretsamon> or apt-get?
[06:09] <bob2> setite: don't use dpkg
[06:09] <setite> nah... i dont know how
[06:09] <adoyretsamon> setite, very easy
[06:09] <setite> apt-get install cinelerra?
[06:10] <bob2> adoyretsamon: you know it's not in ubuntu, right?
[06:10] <adoyretsamon> yea
[06:10] <setite> i need man pages... i dont understand any commands still
[06:10] <adoyretsamon> that was why i told him the dpkg command
[06:10] <adoyretsamon> setite, so what does it say is missing
[06:10] <adoyretsamon> you can find the packages
[06:10] <setite> libs
[06:10] <adoyretsamon> yea
[06:10] <setite> lots of them
[06:11] <adoyretsamon> lol
[06:11] <setite> i can post it in #flood if you want
[06:11] <adoyretsamon> do you really need it?
[06:11] <setite> need what
[06:11] <setite> cinelerra..
[06:11] <adoyretsamon> yes
[06:11] <setite> not on this PC... but in my watercooled a64 rig that will be running in two days... yes
[06:11] <setite> so i thought id figure it out
[06:11] <adoyretsamon> ok
[06:11] <adoyretsamon> ic
[06:11] <setite> thats the only reason im using ubuntu on this junker
[06:12] <setite> to learn things while im waiting
[06:12] <adoyretsamon> good idea
[06:12] <setite> can apt-get still check the dependencies of this prog somehow?
[06:12] <setite> or does cinelerra';'s site probably have some info
[06:13] <adoyretsamon> setite, did you google for cinelerra ubuntu?
[06:13] <adoyretsamon> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1132.html
[06:13] <jmhodges> ok, uh... anyone seen a fix yet for libgtksourceview?
[06:13] <jmhodges> rather, libgtksourceview-common ?
[06:14] <crimsun> the overlapping file with -cil ?
[06:15] <jmhodges> crimsun: indeed
[06:15] <jmhodges> bah, ill just uninstall  -cli
[06:17] <setite> hey adoy can i pm you
[06:21] <linux-rulz> Hey, is there any way to change the Ubuntu splash screen for Gnome (I like changing all these kinds of things but can't figure out how to do this)
[06:24] <setite> hey why is my marillat repo not working
[06:24] <setite> it keeps timing out when i try to refresh
[06:25] <bob2> maybe it's down
[06:26] <setite> deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/sid/ ./
[06:26] <helios> hey guys, i need help with instaling package files on ubuntu
[06:26] <setite> how do i ass that
[06:26] <setite> im used to main or something like that
[06:26] <setite> in place of main do i put ./
[06:26] <setite> or .
[06:26] <setite> or /
[06:26] <bob2> setite: put it on a new line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:26] <jmhodges> linux-rulz: open GConf and go to /schemas/apps
[06:26] <jmhodges> er..
[06:27] <setite> how do i do it via synaptic
[06:27] <jmhodges> linux-rulz: go to /schemas/apps/gnome-session/options/show_splash_screen
[06:27] <setite> thats my preferred method
[06:27] <setite> thwat is the ./
[06:27] <jmhodges> linux-rulz: that last bit is the actual key name
[06:27] <jmhodges> hrm.. perhaps not
[06:27] <jmhodges> linux-rulz: try your .gnome2*
[06:27] <jmhodges> in your home dir
[06:28] <bob2> setite: just edit it manually, it's very simple
[06:28] <setite> but what would i put if i did it in synaptic.... adding to the source.lst is easier i know... but i want to understand what each part pertains to
[06:28] <linux-rulz> jmhodges: whoops, i just unset that key and it removed it, is that a bad thing?
[06:29] <jmhodges> uh... damn, i couldnt even edit that thing..
[06:29] <jmhodges> that could be
[06:29] <linux-rulz> hmmm...oh well, if it is, so be it, it isnt that hard to make a new user account :P
[06:29] <jmhodges> however, i have no idea when it comes to gconf
[06:29] <linux-rulz> lol, it looks as cryptic as the windows registry
[06:30] <linux-rulz> anyways, logging out and then back in, will let you know how it went
[06:31] <helios> ey all... new to ubuntu and need help
[06:31] <linux-rulz> still shows the splash screen despite that being missing
[06:31] <jmhodges> linux-rulz: right, well, try google and an edit to .gnome2
[06:32] <jmhodges> linux-rulz:  gconf obviously isnt messed with much :)
[06:33] <jmhodges> really, the only time i've seen gconf used by a user is when a developer (usually a non-gnome project developer) does something stupid..
[06:33] <setite> this officially sucks... i know i added the repos correctly... and neither marillat or the cinelerra ones are working
[06:33] <jmhodges> setite: whats the error?
[06:34] <jmhodges> well, in all of dpkg, but i had a rought time learning how to do it in synaptic for osme reason (which is absolutely rediculous i know)
[06:34] <linux-rulz> jmhodges: lol, i'll let the gnome devs write a program that lets you do this simply like in kde, until then, the ubuntu splash screen is just fine
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> setite, my marillat is not working tonight
[06:34] <binReapr> is dificult to change the splash?
[06:34] <setite> it says it cant find packages.gz or something
[06:34] <setite> ok yoda... then its not just me
[06:34] <setite> still sucks thoughj
[06:35] <nomasteryoda> it was up for just a shortbit, then down again... it seems
[06:35] <linux-rulz> binReapr: who knows, i used to think it was difficult to edit your applications menu, but after typing in nautilus applications:/// it is easier than in kde
[06:35] <nomasteryoda> maybe the piratebay.org torrents are sucking the bandwidth
[06:35] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:37] <binReapr> yeah
[06:37] <setite> piratebay?
[06:37] <setite> whats that have to do with marillat
[06:37] <binReapr> I can't find this GConF app, I have to install it or is it already here?
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> nothing
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> joke
[06:39] <linux-rulz> type in gconf at the terminal and then hit tab twice, i think it is gconf-editor
[06:39] <linux-rulz> it is part of gnome and should be there
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> setite, look at http://www.alblinux.net/modules.php?mop=modload&name=Splatt_Forums&file=viewtopic&topic=164&forum=3&start=10
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> BYMMV -
[06:41] <binReapr> got it =)
[06:44] <helios> quit
[06:44] <setite> nomasteryoda - i only speak english
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> find the sources.list section
[06:45] <setite> thats albanian... the closest ive been to albanian was a chick i dated in high school
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> very simple ... jsut copy the parts you need into your sources.list file
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> or sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:45] <setite> should i add those?
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> not all
[06:45] <setite> haha sorry
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> let me choose
[06:46] <setite> i just ask without reading
[06:46] <setite> not all... why not
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> if you really want to have the ultimate breaky, then sure go ahead
[06:46] <binReapr> brb
[06:46] <setite> will it cause problems?
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> try this...
[06:46] <randabis> yay no more ntfs
[06:47] <setite> ok solved the cinelerra problem
[06:47] <setite> the .deb sucks apparent.y
[06:47] <setite> apparently
[06:47] <setite> so i used alien to convert the rpm which was 2 megs bigger and the install went without a hitch
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> randabis, YEAH
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> sweet
[06:48] <setite> no more ntfs?
[06:48] <randabis> :) it was a leftover partition that had my mp3s and other things from windows...copied over everything, then formatted that partition to reiser
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> setite, i would guess he has moved beyond that into the world of linux...
[06:48] <randabis> now I'm copying everything back
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> yup
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> ntfs sucks
[06:49] <randabis> indeed
[06:49] <randabis> windows sucks :p
[06:49] <randabis> it pissed me off so I murdered it a few days ago
[06:49] <setite> oh
[06:49] <randabis> laptop has been native linux for a while though
[06:50] <setite> windows serves one great purpose
[06:50] <setite> well two
[06:50] <setite> surround sound gaming
[06:50] <setite> and its a way to use my PC when i FUBAR my linux
[06:50] <nomasteryoda> this brand new laptop... i have only booted it into windows when it was first in my hands
[06:50] <nomasteryoda> 1 month ago
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> only been in suse since
[06:51] <randabis> 1 doesn't apply (headphones), and 2 is getting better in linux
[06:51] <randabis> heh ubuntu hoary here on both main and laptop
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> setite, i understand the Doom 3 has surround... and that works in linux
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> surround that is
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> nite or g'day to you
[06:53] <binReapr> aaaaaaarrrgghh, after I installed gdesklets now my system wont show any panels at start, how can I edit the start up options?
[06:55] <binReapr> wrong button
[06:55] <binReapr> so, can anyone help me please?
[06:57] <jmhodges> binReapr: system->preferences->Sessions
[06:57] <froust> what is gdesklets/
[06:58] <jmhodges> binReapr: or wherever the Sessions app is in your menu system (im running Hoary, which changes the menu system)
[06:58] <jmhodges> binReapr: in Sessions theres a Start Ups tab
[06:58] <binReapr> ok, how can I access that from shell, I have no panels =/
[07:00] <Necrosan> How do I update alsa to use the soundcard I had to manually add to /etc/modules?
[07:00] <Necrosan> This is an IBM Thinkpad 770
[07:01] <binReapr> the error is "panel can't load panel already there"
[07:02] <bob2> binReapr: you did install it to /usr/local/, right?
[07:03] <crimsun> Necrosan: snd-cs4232?
[07:03] <binReapr> yes
[07:05] <crimsun> Necrosan: lsmod|grep ^snd_cs4232
[07:06] <setite> shit still cant run cinelerra
[07:06] <setite> i need libXxf86vm
[07:06] <deadshell> setite,  apt-get it
[07:06] <randabis> copying from one drive to another takes forever :p
[07:06] <setite> i dont think its on any of my repos
[07:07] <setite> synaptic couldnt find it
[07:07] <setite> imma find an RPM for it
[07:08] <randabis> lol
[07:09] <Necrosan> crimsun: can you hang on a sec? ill throw the laptop online and brb
[07:09] <TeePOG> morning all
[07:10] <binReapr> whats the name of the panel? system? I got into Applications but is not there I think
[07:10] <setite> randabis why is that funny
[07:10] <setite> im dying here...
[07:11] <setite> but now i think abotu it ill wait till i get my amd64 rig.. .this rig is too slow to do anything on cinelerra
[07:11] <binReapr> hey setite
[07:11] <randabis> because rpm and debian..that's just funny
[07:11] <binReapr> whats the name of the other panel besides applications?
[07:12] <binReapr> is the little foot icon, then it says applications and then?
[07:12] <binReapr> system?
[07:14] <crimsun> Necrosan: waiting...
[07:16] <binReapr> Im dead, anyone know how to access system->preferences->Sessions from shell?
[07:16] <Necrosan_> Okay, who was helping me before?
[07:17] <MM2> damn! I burned ubuntu iso-image to 10 cd's to install them today. Original iso was corrupted (wrong MD5sum) somehow... earlier burned CDR did work fine...
[07:18] <binReapr> actually is Computer->Desktop Preferences->Sessions
[07:19] <HrdwrBoB> binReapr: changed in hoary
[07:19] <setite> rpm and debian isn't incredibly funny
[07:19] <HrdwrBoB> gnome-session-properties
[07:19] <setite> often rpm is all there is
[07:19] <binReapr> please, someone just do a right click on sessions and tell me whats the name of the executable
[07:19] <setite> but i couldnt even find the rpm
[07:19] <setite> its all google showed but i couldnt find the file
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> setite: almost all software you want is in the repository
[07:22] <binReapr> HrdwrBoB, please, could you do it?
[07:22] <Necrosan_> HrdwrBoB, ALSA is still bitching at boot..
[07:22] <setite> almost isn't quite enough though
[07:22] <Necrosan_> something along the lines of "load_sound: no sound card"
[07:22] <binReapr> or you setite plaease
[07:22] <HrdwrBoB> binReapr: I just said gnome-session-properties
[07:22] <binReapr> ups
[07:22] <setite> what do i do
[07:22] <binReapr> didnt saw
[07:23] <binReapr> thanx
[07:24] <binReapr> brb
[07:25] <Necrosan_> Sound: DMA (output) timed out - IRQ/DRQ config error?
[07:25] <Necrosan_> i have a ton of those in dmesg too
[07:25] <crimsun> Necrosan: cat /proc/asound/cards, paste in #flood
[07:26] <Necrosan_> i have no /proc/asound
[07:26] <crimsun> Necrosan: so ALSA's not loaded. What modules _are_ loaded? Paste to #flood.
[07:28] <Necrosan_> http://www.pastebin.com/227928
[07:29] <s1amson> anybody got dual monitors?
[07:29] <crimsun> Necrosan: you have the OSS/Free kernel modules for your sound chipset loaded
[07:29] <Necrosan_> crimsun, how do I make it do ALSA?
[07:29] <crimsun> Necrosan: you need to get rid of those before ALSA will function properly
[07:29] <Necrosan_> okay, no problem, but alsa didnt work from the start..
[07:29] <crimsun> Necrosan: dpkg -l alsa-base|grep ^ii
[07:30] <Necrosan_> justin@thinkpad:/ $ dpkg -l alsa-base|grep ^ii
[07:30] <Necrosan_> ii  alsa-base      1.0.5a-1ubuntu ALSA sound driver common files
[07:31] <crimsun> sec.
[07:31] <Necrosan_> k..
[07:31] <crimsun> Necrosan_: in your /etc/modules, are you loading cs4232 at all?
[07:32] <Luke-skywallker> hello
[07:32] <Luke-skywallker> anyone alive?
[07:32] <Necrosan_> crimsun, yeah, HrdwrBoB told me to put it in there
[07:32] <Necrosan_> sound works, but only like cdplayer.. no gnome stuff or whatever, and the volume control in gnome doesnt work at all
[07:33] <Luke-skywallker> hello i have a little question is about of players,
[07:33] <Luke-skywallker> i want see a .avi video
[07:33] <crimsun> Necrosan_: well, you have two choices: you can struggle to make ALSA work, or you can modify your system to use the loaded OSS/Free drivers.
[07:33] <crimsun> Necrosan_: which do you choose?
[07:33] <Luke-skywallker> but i dont kan find the divx4linux with apt-get
[07:33] <Luke-skywallker> some idea about how see .avi videos on ubuntu?
[07:33] <Necrosan_> I'm in a creative mood. Would ALSA be better in the long run?
[07:34] <s1amson> so, nobody has dual monitors?
[07:34] <crimsun> Luke-skywallker: uncomment 'universe' repo and install 'totem-xine'
[07:34] <crimsun> Necrosan_: ALSA is the direction to pursue, yes.
[07:34] <Luke-skywallker> then with totem-xine i dont need install the divx code?
[07:34] <Necrosan_> crimsun, could you possibly guide me to making this work? (at least through the steps I have no idea with?)
[07:35] <s1amson> guess i'll  stay with suse then :/
[07:35] <crimsun> Luke-skywallker: by installing 'totem-xine', you'll have the necessary packages installed.
[07:36] <Luke-skywallker> thanks alot crimsun
[07:36] <crimsun> Necrosan_: first you'll need to make sure no applications are using /dev/dsp*
[07:36] <Necrosan_> crimsun, I don't think anythings using em.
[07:37] <Necrosan_> No sound is being heard right now, so I'm pretty positive nothing is using it.
[07:38] <crimsun> Necrosan_: lsof /dev/dsp*
[07:38] <Necrosan_> nothin
[07:39] <crimsun> Necrosan_: sudo modprobe -r opl3 cs4232 ad1848 uart401 sound
[07:40] <Necrosan_> k, all unloaded
[07:41] <Necrosan_> should i remove the stuff i added from /etc/modules
[07:41] <Necrosan_> ?
[07:42] <crimsun> Necrosan_: it would be prudent to comment them out, yes.
[07:42] <crimsun> Necrosan_: sudo modprobe snd-cs4232 && sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[07:43] <Necrosan_> justin@thinkpad:/ $ sudo modprobe snd-cs4232 && sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[07:43] <Necrosan_> FATAL: Error inserting snd_cs4232 (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4232.ko): No such device
[07:43] <bob2> you don't have hardware for that
[07:43] <Necrosan_> bob2, but i do.
[07:43] <bob2> also, you shouldn't have to load modules like that manually
[07:43] <bob2> Necrosan_: the module doesn't think so
[07:44] <Necrosan_> #cs4232 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0 mpuio=0x330 mpuirq=5
[07:44] <Necrosan_> that's how i modprobe'd it before
[07:44] <bob2> oh, it's ISA?
[07:44] <crimsun> ah, you have to pass those parameters to modprobe, Necrosan_.
[07:45] <Necrosan_> bob2, this is an ibm thinkpad 770 - crimsun, okay, will modprobe like that
[07:46] <crimsun> Necrosan_: sudo modprobe snd-cs4232 port=0x530 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=0 mpu_irq=5 mpu_port=0x330
[07:47] <crimsun> Necrosan_: you also need isapnp=0
[07:47] <Necrosan_> isapnp=0 at boot?
[07:47] <crimsun> no, at the end of that modprobe line I typed
[07:47] <Necrosan_> same error as before.
[07:48] <setite> whats the emulation app
[07:49] <setite> not Wine or CrossOver office... the full emulation one for programmers
[07:49] <setite> i forgot the name
[07:49] <bob2> qemu?
[07:49] <bob2> valgrind?
[07:49] <crimsun> Necrosan_: try using snd-4236
[07:50] <Necrosan_> same
[07:50] <crimsun> Necrosan_: is "ThinkPad Simple Boot" (aka "Quick Boot") disabled? Ensure it is.
[07:51] <Necrosan_> ah, that was enabled
[07:51] <Necrosan_> that would cause a problem?
[07:51] <crimsun> yes.
[07:51] <Necrosan_> shall i disable it & return?
[07:51] <crimsun> yes.
[07:52] <Necrosan_> k, brb
[07:53] <setite> anyone use Folding@Home
[07:54] <deadshell> setite, i did on my mac
[07:54] <deadshell> i also used seti
[07:56] <setite> how do i run it
[07:57] <setite> i dont know what its called
[07:58] <calamari> I'd like to set an Open With.. to open a console app.  What's the best way to do this?  I made a launcher and pointed it to that, but it doesn't seem to do anything with that approach.
[07:58] <deadshell> hmm you using linux let me look
[08:00] <setite> ok how do i run it
[08:00] <deadshell> setite, does this help http://folding.stanford.edu/linux.html
[08:00] <setite> /home/setite/FAH502-Linux.exe is the file but i added a launcher for it and nothing happened
[08:00] <BuffaloSoldier> hello
[08:00] <setite> but it doesnt have a gui i think
[08:00] <deadshell> no console only
[08:00] <setite> but my pc is lagging so i know its running
[08:01] <setite> how do i kill it if i want to....
[08:01] <deadshell> lol did you ps to see it?
[08:01] <setite> ps?
[08:01] <deadshell> ps aux or something
[08:01] <deadshell> in console
[08:01] <setite> whats the console
[08:01] <BuffaloSoldier> i'm using AMD Athlon XP 2400 cpu. which linux kernel should i use? linux-386, linux-686 or linux-k7?
[08:01] <setite> is that different from the terminal
[08:01] <deadshell> terminal
[08:01] <crimsun> BuffaloSoldier: -k7
[08:02] <bob2> BuffaloSoldier: k7
[08:02] <setite> ok i want to kill it... its slowing my pc down alot
[08:02] <randabis> k7 would probably give a little performance bump
[08:02] <BuffaloSoldier> i have 2 install cds... one is intel x86 and the other is amd64/em64t
[08:03] <BuffaloSoldier> which cd should i use to install?
[08:03] <randabis> use x86
[08:03] <BuffaloSoldier> ok
[08:03] <BuffaloSoldier> thanx guys... n gals
[08:03] <deadshell> setite, in a terminal type ps aux find folding then look at the id # then type kill then the # example if the id was 666 you would do  kill 666
[08:04] <deadshell> setite, you might have to be root
[08:04] <deadshell> but i doubt it
[08:06] <setite> um there are four
[08:06] <deadshell> i guess kill 'em all
[08:06] <setite> setite   18453  0.8 17.5 122928 44864 ?      SN   22:59   0:02 ./FahCore_78.exe
[08:06] <setite> setite   18469  0.0 17.5 122928 44864 ?      SN   22:59   0:00 ./FahCore_78.exe
[08:06] <setite> setite   18470 15.7 17.5 122928 44864 ?      RN   22:59   0:42 ./FahCore_78.exe
[08:06] <setite> setite   18471  0.0 17.5 122928 44864 ?      SN   22:59   0:00 ./FahCore_78.exe
[08:06] <deadshell> kill 18453
[08:07] <deadshell> then the rest
[08:07] <setite> nah... that killed them all i think
[08:07] <setite> thanks
[08:07] <deadshell> really bogging huh
[08:07] <setite> it was slowing my pc down
[08:07] <setite> yea i dont know why
[08:07] <setite> must be buggy
[08:08] <deadshell> cool idea though
[08:08] <setite> i mean on windows it does what its supposed to... uses spare process
[08:08] <setite> only a problem when you try to be real active after inactivity.. when it has to drop fro 90% usages to 10%...
[08:08] <setite> btu the linux one seems to suck
[08:08] <setite> mp3s keep cutting out every so often
[08:08] <setite> and cursor jumps
[08:08] <setite> and it froze for a few seconds there
[08:09] <setite> not cool
[08:09] <calamari> I'd like to set an Open With.. to open a console app (pmidi -p 64:0).  What's the best way to do this?  I made a launcher to pmidi and pointed the midi to that, but it doesn't seem to do anything with that approach.  When I drag the midi onto the launcher it plays, though
[08:09] <deadshell> what proc do you have 1 or 2 ghz?
[08:09] <Necrosan_> okay, i modprobe'd it instead with snd-cs4231
[08:09] <Necrosan_> and it worked, and i have a /dev/dsp
[08:10] <juzteen> does anybody use k3b?
[08:10] <crimsun> Necrosan_: snd-4232, correct?
[08:10] <deadshell> juzteen, yeah i do
[08:10] <Necrosan_> nope, wouldnt probe
[08:10] <crimsun> Necrosan_: so snd-cs4231, gotcha.
[08:10] <deadshell> calamari, where is the app?
[08:10] <crimsun> Necrosan_: good to see it's resolved.
[08:11] <lightbade> hi. i have 2 network cards. i had deleted my eth0 from Computer->Network Settings. Now I want eth0 back again. How do i do it?
[08:11] <juzteen> deadshell when i install it my cdrecorder and another file conflict with it. where can I get the patch or whatever to fix this?
[08:11] <Necrosan_> snd_cs4231: Unknown parameter `isapnp'
[08:11] <Necrosan_> that
[08:11] <Necrosan_> and this bug me though..
[08:11] <juzteen> I know their's a lot on google but I've been reading for hours
[08:11] <Necrosan_> cs4231: MPU401 not detected
[08:11] <deadshell> juzteen, whats the error?
[08:12] <Necrosan_> mpu401_uart: unable to grab IRQ 5
[08:12] <juzteen> cdrecord does not run with root privileges
[08:13] <crimsun> Necrosan_: the "isapnp" parameter is not valid for snd-cs4231.ko
[08:13] <juzteen> cdrdao does not run with root privileges
[08:13] <tolle> Where can I find a log over what deb packages that has been installed and removed?
[08:13] <Necrosan_> add that and snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules?
[08:13] <juzteen> i've been installing and uninstalling packages in synaptic but nothings working
[08:13] <bob2> tolle: if you use aptitude, /var/log/aptitude
[08:14] <bob2> if apt-get, nowhere
[08:14] <crimsun> Necrosan_: no
[08:14] <tolle> bob2: realy? wow... that sortoff blows.
[08:14] <crimsun> Necrosan_: you only need to add snd-cs4231
[08:15] <tolle> bob2: I apparantly did something with gcj so that eclipse nolonger starts, and now I got no idea what packages i removed or installed that caused it.
[08:15] <bob2> tolle: reason #432 to use aptitude ;)
[08:15] <deadshell> juzteen,but what does the error say?
[08:16] <juzteen> i thought that was the error...hold on
[08:16] <Necrosan_> hm
[08:16] <Necrosan_> brb
[08:17] <juzteen>  ERROR: filesharelist not found in /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/sbin
[08:19] <deadshell> juzteen, whats th efile share list?
[08:19] <lightbade> hi. i have 2 network cards. i had deleted my eth0 from Computer->Network Settings. Now I want eth0 back again. How do i do it?
[08:19] <deadshell> lightbade, you still here?
[08:19] <deadshell> lol
[08:19] <lightbade> ya
[08:20] <deadshell> lightbade, look in /etc/network/interfaces first
[08:20] <lightbade> thought some of the new people might know something
[08:20] <juzteen> deadshell: i don't know...all i know is k3b's only letting me make ISO images...just like CD/DVD create
[08:21] <deadshell> juzteen, but not audio and such?
[08:21] <lightbade> deadshell, doesnt have eth0. only eth1
[08:21] <Unholyfuneral> hello
[08:21] <deadshell> try editing it so it has eth0 too
[08:21] <juzteen> actually my goal is to make an audio cd.
[08:21] <Unholyfuneral> i just got an copy of  News & Releases
[08:21] <Unholyfuneral> GNOPPIX Developer version 0.9.2b5 Hoary is out
[08:21] <Unholyfuneral> 
[08:22] <deadshell> Unholyfuneral,  Metal!!!
[08:22] <Unholyfuneral> METAL
[08:22] <juzteen> i can't burn an audio cd to save my life.
[08:22] <Unholyfuneral> death black all gdood
[08:22] <juzteen> i can burn an mp3 disk
[08:22] <lightbade> how will eth0 know which lan card to bind to? @ deadshell
[08:22] <juzteen> a data disk...but that's with cd.dvd create
[08:23] <Unholyfuneral> anyway gnoppix is asking for an login
[08:23] <trey3> juzteen: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --audio file1.mp3 file2.mp3
[08:23] <Unholyfuneral> i do not have an login
[08:23] <trey3> Unholyfuneral: hit enter?
[08:23] <Unholyfuneral> enter for user name and password
[08:24] <trey3> user root, passwd blank (if it even asks...)
[08:24] <deadshell> juzteen, let me look on google
[08:24] <Unholyfuneral> ok ill try that iv used knoppix
[08:24] <Unholyfuneral> and it did not do that so kinda wondering why this one did
[08:24] <Unholyfuneral> Ill try that
[08:24] <juzteen> ok
[08:24] <Unholyfuneral> Thanks
[08:25] <deadshell> lightbade, im not sure
[08:25] <juzteen> trey3 I tried yesterday to get cd record to work with comands.
[08:25] <deadshell> lightbade, maybe MAC address
[08:25] <juzteen> I'll try again though just for the heck of it though
[08:26] <lightbade> i'll try. i'm readin man intefaces
[08:26] <Necrosan> crimsun: it was being a prick, so i gave up for the night.. gotta be up in 5 hours.. ill toy with it tomorrow. thanks for the help
[08:28] <juzteen> nope didn't work but boy it's fun to try
[08:28] <trey3> juzteen: ugh... 'lsmod | grep ide-cd'
[08:29] <juzteen> Error trying to open /dev/hdc exclusively (Permission denied).
[08:30] <trey3> juzteen: /dev/hdc = secondary master ide cable... is this where the cdrw is physically connected?
[08:31] <juzteen> yeah I believe so
[08:31] <trey3> juzteen: for shits... throw a 'sudo' infront of the cdrecord command I said... (just hit up etc)
[08:31] <deadshell> lightbade, those man pages are exciting eh?
[08:32] <jintonic> can i download all the .gif files referenced on a certain webpage with wget?
[08:33] <juzteen> Error trying to open /dev/hdc exclusively (Device or resource busy).
[08:34] <HrdwrBoB> jintonic: yes
[08:34] <trey3> juzteen: hmm... umount /dev/hdc and try again  :P
[08:34] <jintonic> how?
[08:35] <juzteen> umount: /dev/hdc is not mounted (according to mtab)
[08:36] <juzteen> mabey that's the problem?
[08:38] <juzteen> sorry dude i guess i'm going to have to read and learn how to mount now
[08:39] <juzteen> i thought it was mounted
[08:39] <juzteen> damnit
[08:39] <jintonic> figured it out, thx
[08:42] <Unholyfuneral> well
[08:42] <Unholyfuneral> hiting enter did not work
[08:42] <lightbade> deadshell, exciting? it's like i'm an a novel
[08:42] <Unholyfuneral> i typed it ROOT though and it let me in
[08:42] <Unholyfuneral> in root
[08:42] <Unholyfuneral> damn
[08:43] <lightbade> deadshell, where is the lo information stored? i got to edit that to point to the other lan card
[08:43] <lightbade> lol @ Unholyfuneral
[08:43] <Unholyfuneral> what
[08:43] <Unholyfuneral> lightblade
[08:44] <deadshell> lightbade, i would think adding auto eth0
[08:44] <deadshell> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[08:44] <deadshell>   then doing ifup eth0 should get it running
[08:45] <deadshell> Unholyfuneral, are you in the NJ/NY area?
[08:46] <Unholyfuneral> Nope
[08:46] <Unholyfuneral> Oregon
[08:46] <deadshell> oh just guessing by comcast cable company
[08:47] <Unholyfuneral> yea they do things here to
[08:47] <deadshell> any cool shows by you now Unholyfuneral
[08:47] <Unholyfuneral> shows?
[08:47] <Unholyfuneral> Um saw Deicide
[08:48] <Unholyfuneral> not to long ago
[08:48] <Unholyfuneral> next will be nile and behemoth
[08:48] <deadshell> old school
[08:48] <Unholyfuneral> yea
[08:48] <Unholyfuneral> but good
[08:48] <Unholyfuneral> Behemoths new cd
[08:48] <deadshell> i can't remember the last time i was at a show
[08:48] <Unholyfuneral> sounds great
[08:49] <Unholyfuneral> i try since not to many bands hit this area
[08:49] <deadshell> crappy ossfest when Dimmu Borgir played and i saw Cradle of Filth about a year ago
[08:49] <Unholyfuneral> they will normaly go to ca then wa
[08:49] <Unholyfuneral> yea
[08:50] <Unholyfuneral> I like COD AND DIMMU though
[08:50] <Unholyfuneral> I did not want to go to ozfest
[08:50] <Unholyfuneral> their where only 2 bands i would not mind seeing
[08:50] <Unholyfuneral> and ive seen them allready
[08:50] <Unholyfuneral> dimmu 2 times
[08:50] <deadshell> check out necroharmonic.com it's my friends label/site he's got heavy stuff
[08:51] <Unholyfuneral> shit
[08:51] <Unholyfuneral> looks like some good blackmetal
[08:51] <Unholyfuneral> Thunderbolt not to bad
[08:52] <deadshell> he's got everything he release one of the Autopsy cds
[08:52] <Unholyfuneral> Autopsy is good i think
[08:52] <Unholyfuneral> i remember the name
[08:53] <deadshell> i think one of the guys from Death
[08:53] <Unholyfuneral> i see nile on their
[08:54] <deadshell> check out upcoming releases
[08:55] <Unholyfuneral> Have you heard BLOODBATH
[08:55] <Unholyfuneral> they started out with the lead singer from OPETH
[08:56] <Unholyfuneral> now they got some one else that isnot as good but stile dark
[08:56] <randabis> uh..
[08:56] <randabis> move that crap to off-topic
[08:56] <Unholyfuneral> Ahh Dying fetus
[08:56] <Unholyfuneral> Randabis
[08:56] <randabis> #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:56] <Unholyfuneral> This is toppic
[08:57] <randabis> this is a support channel, not heavy metal
[08:57] <Unholyfuneral> yea
[08:57] <deadshell> randabis, no one else was talking
[08:57] <Unholyfuneral> but i dont see anyone asking support
[08:57] <Unholyfuneral> questions
[08:57] <Unholyfuneral> when they do we answer
[08:57] <Unholyfuneral> like this
[08:57] <randabis> regardless, there's other channels for that
[08:57] <Unholyfuneral> Randabis
[08:57] <Unholyfuneral> im trying to get into Gnome
[08:58] <Unholyfuneral> with the new gnoppix live
[08:58] <Unholyfuneral> But do not know the command
[08:58] <Unholyfuneral> can u help?
[08:59] <randabis> lol
[08:59] <Unholyfuneral> Randabis
[08:59] <Unholyfuneral> ?
[08:59] <randabis> not trying to be a nazi about it, but I got bitched atfor doing it before :p
[08:59] <deadshell> randabis, question up for discussion
[09:00] <randabis> UF, I've never used gnoppix
[09:00] <deadshell> randabis, so now you're one of 'them'
[09:00] <randabis> :p
[09:00] <Unholyfuneral> Its ubuntu
[09:00] <deadshell> ok here it comes
[09:00] <Unholyfuneral> My falt
[09:00] <Unholyfuneral> im at root
[09:00] <Unholyfuneral> it says it comes with gnome
[09:00] <Unholyfuneral> but dont know how to get into it
[09:01] <randabis> it should load gnome automatically at startup
[09:01] <deadshell> Unholyfuneral, what are you using now?
[09:01] <Freduardo> hi
[09:01] <juzteen> linix is a joke as far as recording goes
[09:01] <lightbade> nope @ deadshell  * Reconfiguring network interfaces... [fail] 
[09:01] <randabis> tried audacity?
[09:01] <deadshell> ot ardour
[09:01] <Freduardo> does anyone know how you can check if you've got x386, x586 or x686?
[09:02] <randabis> grep | linux I think
[09:02] <juzteen> no...i'm tired of trying pointless programs that won't install fully
[09:02] <Unholyfuneral> it doese not
[09:02] <juzteen> cool edit was a good program and i'm sorry i stopped using it
[09:03] <juzteen> same goes for nero
[09:03] <randabis> you could try running it with wine
[09:03] <Unholyfuneral> it loads me to root
[09:03] <juzteen> tried wine...it won't instal
[09:03] <juzteen> nothing installs
[09:03] <Unholyfuneral> hehe
[09:03] <Unholyfuneral> Juzteen
[09:03] <deadshell> Unholyfuneral, you in a terminal?
[09:03] <rob0> Freduardo, don't you know your own CPU? "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[09:03] <Unholyfuneral> Their is no such thing as a stupid question
[09:03] <Unholyfuneral> Just stupid people
[09:03] <deadshell> :D
[09:04] <juzteen> yeah...they can all be answered by,,"go read a guide"
[09:04] <Unholyfuneral> Yea
[09:04] <Freduardo> dunno, ive got a celeron 1.0 ghz
[09:04] <Unholyfuneral> Deadshell
[09:04] <Unholyfuneral> im at the term
[09:04] <deadshell> and running a live disc Unholyfuneral
[09:04] <Unholyfuneral> yea
[09:04] <randabis> celeron is 686
[09:04] <Freduardo> ah thanks
[09:04] <deadshell> and wanna get gnome to start
[09:05] <rob0> A celeron is roughly a 686, but the kernel CPU definitions are more granular now
[09:05] <randabis> try startx
[09:05] <Unholyfuneral> damnit
[09:05] <Unholyfuneral> startx
[09:05] <Unholyfuneral> Did noteven use that
[09:05] <deadshell> that was my next move randabis
[09:05] <Unholyfuneral> i was typing in windowsx
[09:05] <Unholyfuneral> some shit like that
[09:05] <Unholyfuneral> its been 4 years
[09:05] <Freduardo> so, am i now better of running a 686 kernel instead of the 386 that I'm running now?
[09:05] <Unholyfuneral> since i had to use the startx
[09:05] <Unholyfuneral> command
[09:06] <deadshell> Unholyfuneral, lol
[09:06] <Unholyfuneral> The Gnoppix project proudly presents the first beta of version 0.9.2 of the Gnoppix linux live cd.
[09:06] <Unholyfuneral> anyway
[09:06] <randabis> well I find it strange that x did not load in the first place
[09:06] <rob0> Freduardo, a little, but you won't notice the change
[09:06] <Unholyfuneral> thats what im running
[09:06] <Unholyfuneral> yea
[09:06] <Unholyfuneral> i know
[09:06] <Unholyfuneral> knoppix loads x
[09:06] <deadshell> i hate when that happens
[09:06] <Freduardo> ok, I'll leave it be then
[09:06] <Freduardo> thx
[09:07] <calamari> I'd like to set an Open With.. to open a console app (pmidi -p 64:0).  What's the best way to do this?  I made a launcher to pmidi and pointed the midi to that, but it doesn't seem to do anything with that approach.  When I drag the midi onto the launcher it plays, though
[09:07] <Unholyfuneral> Any one ever get NEVER Winter Nights to ever install onlinux
[09:08] <visor> anyone has had problems running gdesklets in Warthy?
[09:08] <Unholyfuneral> well im goint to try Startx
[09:08] <Unholyfuneral> ill be back
[09:09] <visor> it refuses to start i cant find anything in google :S
[09:10] <randabis> visor how are you trying to run it?
[09:13] <visor> randabis: i just downloaded the source, and from command line "gdesklets start"
[09:13] <visor> wich is suppossed to put an icon in systray and get the daemon running but it doesnt, it just gives me a "the application gdesklets has died unexpectedly"
[09:14] <visor> i been trying with different versions, none of them works
[09:15] <bob2> why are you downloading source?
[09:15] <bob2> has someone posted a howto or somethign somewhere that recommends this?
[09:15] <visor> because the version in apt sources is too old
[09:15] <randabis> hah
[09:15] <bob2> in what way is it too old?
[09:15] <visor> and because im more used to compile from source
[09:16] <visor> in the way that the version in apt sources is 0.26 and crashes many desklets and 0.32-1 version fixes tons of bugs of the older one, and, many new sensors do need the new version
[09:17] <DaNewB> Hi. Good morning/night everyone!
[09:17] <visor> hi DaNewB
[09:19] <deadshell> hey DaNewB
[09:19] <DaNewB> Couldnt stop myself from posting about Ubuntu on Distrowatch.com Weekly...
[09:21] <DaNewB> Check it: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20050110
[09:22] <DaNewB> I felt the need to express my luv for Ubuntu...
[09:24] <DaNewB> I hope I didnt brag to much...
[09:24] <lightbade> finally YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:25] <visor> so anyone has a gdesklet's working on your system?
[09:25] <lightbade> now to setup iptables (oh boy!)
[09:25] <bob2> the packages have worked fine for me in the past
[09:25] <DaNewB> but it was from the bottom of my heart :>
[09:29] <visor> sad
[09:29] <deadshell> lightbade, what did you have to do?
[09:51] <madsen> Anyone had any luck compiling fuse on hoary?
[09:54] <Smirker> i have a .deb package.  what command in terminal to install it? :p
[09:55] <DaNewB> Smirker, dpkg --install package.deb
[09:55] <Smirker> ah thanks alot :)
[09:55] <DaNewB> Smirker, sudo dpkg --install package.deb (I forgot "sudo")
[09:56] <DaNewB> Smirker, no problem:)
[09:57] <madsen> Ok, I did 'apt-get install fuse-source', but how the hell do I build/install it?
[09:57] <bob2> it doesn't come with any instructions in /usr/share/doc/fuser-source/?
[09:57] <madsen> Oh! Didn't think to look there. :)
[09:58] <madsen> Hmm, only 2 changelogs and a copyright statement. :/
[10:00] <Unholyfuneral> well startx errored out
[10:01] <Unholyfuneral> but looks like it was the right command
[10:01] <madsen> can't even build the damn thing (fuse module) because the kernel headers and the actual kernel is not the same version. (!)
[10:02] <Unholyfuneral> anyone know an good fast linux destro
[10:02] <Unholyfuneral> distro
[10:02] <Unholyfuneral> all the ones i get take longer then windows to load
[10:03] <nevyn> everything takes longer than windows to load.
[10:03] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Well, there are some stuff you can do, like changing the init-system and such. (Can't remember details though.)
[10:03] <pisuke> Unholyfuneral, slackware
[10:03] <Unholyfuneral> slackware come with an X
[10:03] <Unholyfuneral> ?
[10:03] <Unholyfuneral> GUI
[10:04] <pisuke> Unholyfuneral, but there's a competition between fedora and ubuntu to improve boot startup
[10:04] <madsen> nevyn: Not necesarilly, a friend of mine booted Linux in 30 secs and winxp in like 50 secs.
[10:04] <pisuke> Unholyfuneral, slackware 10 comes with gnome 2.6
[10:04] <daniels> we are booting linux in about 30 seconds, on very slow laptop disks
[10:04] <Unholyfuneral> yea dan
[10:04] <HrdwrBoB> pisuke: and a knife to stab yourself in the eye
[10:04] <Unholyfuneral> what Linux u using
[10:05] <Unholyfuneral> SLackware that come with good Hardware Support
[10:05] <pisuke> HrdwrBoB, it's not that bad :)
[10:05] <HrdwrBoB> pisuke: compared to a distribution designed this century it is
[10:05] <daniels> Unholyfuneral: this is with Ubuntu
[10:05] <HrdwrBoB> in any case, offtopic
[10:06] <Unholyfuneral> we the ubuntu live cd i got sucks
[10:06] <Unholyfuneral> well
[10:06] <Unholyfuneral> the ubuntu
[10:06] <daniels> Unholyfuneral: the live CD is completely different from the install CD
[10:06] <nevyn> HrdwrBoB: I can't think of any distributions designed this century.. maybe xandros and lycoris
[10:06] <pisuke> Unholyfuneral, slackware as ubuntu, fedora, etc ... uses hotplug to detect devices. there's where most of booting time is wasted
[10:06] <daniels> Unholyfuneral: but in Hoary, our speed improvements will all be in both the installed system and the live CD
[10:06] <Unholyfuneral> it goes through an install Process
[10:06] <Unholyfuneral> but its supost to be live
[10:07] <Unholyfuneral> Yea i just dont like the way hoary looks like its installing and askes install questions
[10:07] <HrdwrBoB> nevyn: I take it you class ubuntu as debian?
[10:07] <Unholyfuneral> and startx like i said gives errors
[10:07] <herman_> i don't think windows boots that fast
[10:08] <Unholyfuneral> mY xp box boots in about 45 sec
[10:08] <daniels> Unholyfuneral: yeah, that will all be fixed, however
[10:08] <Unholyfuneral> that about a minut less then all linux i have used
[10:08] <daniels> Unholyfuneral: welcome to development :)
[10:08] <nevyn> HrdwrBoB: well it's hardly re-designed.
[10:08] <HrdwrBoB> saying there's something wrong with hoary isn't really a good basis for a look at ubuntu
[10:09] <nevyn> it's tweaked.
[10:09] <herman_> Unholyfuneral, i didn't time it. besides that i almost never shutdown my systems:)
[10:09] <pisuke> a friend of mine is booting horay in a powerbook in less than 30s
[10:09] <herman_> ok
[10:09] <Unholyfuneral> heh
[10:09] <eelriverlt> You only need to boot a Linux box once though
[10:09] <madsen> Fucking crappy kernel mess!!! Arg!!! Why won't it just work!??
[10:09] <pisuke> so I've faith
[10:09] <herman_> i'm gonna walk over to my hoary box and boot it
[10:09] <herman_> and time it
[10:09] <herman_> you time it from bootloader or power on?
[10:09] <Unholyfuneral> My sys gots an gig of ram and an 1.8 gig Athlon PROC
[10:10] <Unholyfuneral> I start it from power on
[10:10] <daniels> herman_: make sure you have readahead installed, and I still need to get to updating gdm a bit
[10:10] <HrdwrBoB> madsen: what's the problem
[10:10] <Unholyfuneral> GHZ
[10:10] <herman_> daniels, ok, but i'm already sure it won't take 2 mins
[10:11] <Unholyfuneral> He he
[10:11] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: I'm trying to compile the fuse module, but the headers version is different from the source version, which again is different from the actual running version of the kernel. *sigh*
[10:11] <herman_> readahead was already installed.
[10:11] <HrdwrBoB> madsen: get the linux-headers package that matches your kernel
[10:11] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: There is none. (?)
[10:12] <HrdwrBoB> use sudo ln -s to link /usr/src/linux to the correct linux-headers pckage
[10:12] <Unholyfuneral> oneone lnow any good live cd software
[10:12] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: I'm doing a dist-upgrade atm, so I hope that'll help a bit. Perhaps update the running kernel.
[10:12] <Unholyfuneral> since this herah doese not work
[10:12] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Good for what?
[10:12] <Unholyfuneral> That works
[10:13] <Unholyfuneral> just loads right
[10:13] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Knopix should be good...
[10:13] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: And for sys rescue I use Insert Linux
[10:13] <Unholyfuneral> Yea i downloaded the newer ver of that 2 times and used 2 diff burns and that stile would not run
[10:13] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Well, most of them _should_ work right and I think Ubuntu will too, if you just use it right...
[10:13] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Of what?
[10:13] <Unholyfuneral> well i get to root
[10:14] <Unholyfuneral> in abuntu
[10:14] <Unholyfuneral> type startx
[10:14] <Unholyfuneral> it starts to load
[10:14] <Unholyfuneral> then gives an error
[10:14] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: And wtf are you trying to run it on? A toaster?
[10:14] <Unholyfuneral> something could ber rong with the burn i guess
[10:14] <DaNewB> madsen, lol
[10:14] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Well, what version of the live-cd have you got?
[10:15] <Unholyfuneral> 0.9.2 of the Gnoppix linux live cd
[10:15] <Unholyfuneral> thats the one i downloaded from the site
[10:15] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Weren't you talking about ubuntu?
[10:15] <HostingGeek> whereis king_auther
[10:15] <Unholyfuneral> YEA It says ubuntu
[10:15] <DaNewB> Gnoppix IS Ubuntu now...
[10:15] <Unholyfuneral> all over it
[10:16] <madsen> Oh, didn't know that... Sorry.
[10:16] <Unholyfuneral> its fine
[10:16] <DaNewB> Gnoppix merged with UUU
[10:16] <madsen> Well, when I ran the official live-cd on my machine x started by itself...
[10:16] <Unholyfuneral> and madsen im trying to run it on my 1.8GHz with one gig of ram
[10:17] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Any clue as to why it doesn't start x by itself?
[10:17] <DaNewB> Unholyfuneral, what error? what video card?
[10:17] <Unholyfuneral> nope
[10:17] <Unholyfuneral> just askes me to login
[10:17] <baafie> Speaking of X, would there be an easy way to install xdm on ubuntu?
[10:17] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Well, that doesn't really say very much about the hardware... Any untypical hardware?
[10:17] <Unholyfuneral> i type in root
[10:17] <Agrajag> baafie: use apt-get
[10:17] <Agrajag> it's in universe
[10:17] <madsen> baafie: apt-get install xdm (?)
[10:18] <Unholyfuneral> um amd athlon xp2200
[10:18] <Unholyfuneral> no hardware
[10:18] <Unholyfuneral> that i think would cause probs
[10:18] <herman_> it takes 45 secs to boot from grub to gdm here, and 15 sec after gdmlogin to desktop
[10:18] <Unholyfuneral> Typical stuff
[10:18] <baafie> Agrajag: 'universe' ?
[10:18] <madsen> no hardware? I guess that's why it won't run then. :p
[10:18] <herman_> P4 2.4ghz it is
[10:18] <Agrajag> baafie: open /etc/apt/sources.list in a text editor
[10:19] <herman_> seems reasonable
[10:19] <Agrajag> it tells you what to do to enable the universe repository
[10:19] <Unholyfuneral> Madsen it has geil ram Sound blaster live 5.1 Soyo mother board
[10:19] <baafie> got it, thanks
[10:19] <Unholyfuneral> im trying to think what else
[10:19] <DaNewB> video card?
[10:19] <Unholyfuneral> yea
[10:19] <Unholyfuneral> Nvidia
[10:19] <Unholyfuneral> ti4600
[10:20] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: You just insert the cd, boot with the defaults?
[10:20] <Unholyfuneral> yea
[10:20] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Or what?
[10:20] <Unholyfuneral> put the cd in
[10:20] <Unholyfuneral> hit enter
[10:20] <Unholyfuneral> to boot
[10:20] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Well, have you tried any alternative settings?
[10:20] <Unholyfuneral> it asked me to choose my lang then it gives me login screen at the kernal
[10:21] <DaNewB> Unholyfuneral, is it the Warty or Hoary liveCD ?
[10:21] <Unholyfuneral> hoary
[10:21] <Unholyfuneral> Live
[10:21] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Well, try Warty... It works for me...
[10:21] <Unholyfuneral> ok
[10:21] <Unholyfuneral> Sounds good
[10:22] <DaNewB> Unholyfuneral, well I never tried it myself, but it IS in development after all...
[10:22] <Unholyfuneral> Yea
[10:22] <Unholyfuneral> i guess
[10:23] <Unholyfuneral> warty install pacs not avaible
[10:23] <DaNewB> Unholyfuneral, do what madsen said, go for Warty
[10:23] <Unholyfuneral> they dont want me to use it i guess
[10:23] <Unholyfuneral> yea ill check it out
[10:23] <Unholyfuneral> Im new to linux and stile trying to find somthing i like
[10:23] <madsen> Holy fsck! This dist-upgrade is 400+ mb!
[10:23] <randabis> lol
[10:24] <randabis> it wasn't that big for me
[10:24] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Well, Ubuntu is good for beginners.
[10:24] <madsen> randabis: Might be because it's like 3 weeks or more since I last upgraded.
[10:24] <randabis> ah
[10:25] <DaNewB> Unholyfuneral, maybe try this http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/4.10/warty-release-live-i386.iso
[10:25] <Unholyfuneral> Thanks madsen Warty is downloading and im off to bed talk with u later guys
[10:25] <DaNewB> bye
[10:25] <madsen> Unholyfuneral: Np! Good luck with it! :)
[10:25] <Unholyfuneral> yea ill play around
[10:26] <madsen> Unfortunately Siemens offers no Linux drivers or even anything remotely like support for it. :/
[10:26] <randabis> heh I'm trying to figure out this error I'm getting when installing games using cedega/point2play
[10:27] <madsen> randabis: What err?
[10:29] <randabis> error reading windows installer engine : a file which needs to be replaced may be held in use
[10:29] <randabis> close all apps and try again
[10:29] <madsen> randabis: lol, Win?
[10:29] <randabis> ? what do you mean?
[10:30] <madsen> randabis: Windows
[10:30] <randabis> no...I'm running hoary
[10:30] <madsen> randabis: wtf is "windows installer engine" then?
[10:30] <randabis> the error is received when the windows installer is ran by cedega
[10:31] <madsen> randabis: Oh, sorry, didn't know what cedega was. :)
[10:31] <randabis> cedega installs the games in the same manner windows does
[10:31] <randabis> so this is a doozy
[10:31] <madsen> randabis: :(
[10:32] <madsen> Fuck, I wish someone would boost my connections speed to 135687364234672 mbit/s ... just for a couple of minutes... :/
[10:33] <firstknight> when will the next stable version of ubuntu be released ? just curious........
[10:33] <scandium> since the server you are downloading from perhaps is only 100mbit/s that won't help too much
[10:33] <randabis> april
[10:33] <cam> o 135687364234gbps?
[10:33] <randabis> or early may
[10:33] <firstknight> randabis, thx
[10:33] <cam> seein your HD is also only 7200rpm i would imagine
[10:33] <cam> that also wont help you that much ;)
[10:34] <scandium> also, where's the justification to use bad words at the beginning of the sentence...
[10:34] <madsen> hehe
[10:34] <DaNewB> when are we gonna get fiber optics based Internet?
[10:34] <cam> that word is just so common, it can be used in any sentence.
[10:34] <cam> in any prefix.
[10:35] <cam> danewb: it exists?
[10:35] <cam> if you want to pay the money for it
[10:35] <cam> lol
[10:35] <DaNewB> cam, we should have it in Canada by 2008-2010 (I think)
[10:36] <cam> er, you should have it already. unless your in the stone age
[10:37] <cam> believe me you have fibre optic internet. maybe not to the typical joe's house. but you do./
[10:37] <DaNewB> cam, so the main lines are fiber optics? errr, not as fast as I hoped...
[10:38] <DaNewB> cam, isnt fiber optic what they call "Internet2"?
[10:39] <cam> danewb: its normally specifically laid by a telecommunications company. normally used by businesses that require high speed internet/
[10:39] <cam> such as ISP's
[10:39] <Agrajag> internet2 is a separate network
[10:39] <luc1f3r> guys, i need some serious help
[10:39] <luc1f3r> I screwed up my Xserver
[10:40] <cam> heh, how did you do that?
[10:40] <luc1f3r> when I boot my computer, it won't load X, so it goes to a unix shell, or whatever you call that
[10:40] <luc1f3r> I was installing some packages to get a game to work
[10:40] <luc1f3r> some Gl and mesa svga and shit
[10:40] <cam> luc1f3r you need to look at /var/logs/X11/XFree86.something.log
[10:40] <luc1f3r> basically, i was being careless
[10:40] <DaNewB> Agrajag, really? and what advantages does it have?
[10:40] <luc1f3r> cam, what do I find in there?  I looked but wasn't sure what to look for
[10:40] <cam> sorry
[10:41] <Agrajag> it's a lot faster
[10:41] <cam> /var/log/XFree86.something.log
[10:41] <Agrajag> only universities and some government institutions are on it now
[10:41] <cam> you want to look for some kind of Error
[10:41] <DaNewB> Agrajag, why just them? cost? or time?
[10:41] <cam> Fatal's are good ;)
[10:41] <luc1f3r> okay
[10:41] <luc1f3r> on the startup, i found an error
[10:42] <luc1f3r> i think it was saying it failed to load hw_random
[10:42] <luc1f3r> something like that
[10:42] <cam> paste in #flood
[10:42] <luc1f3r> called it Fatal
[10:42] <cam> nice.
[10:42] <Agrajag> both, I'd assume
[10:42] <DaNewB> Agrajag, cool
[10:42] <luc1f3r> cam , let me get that
[10:45] <madsen> Arg! Why does Evolution _have_ to be installed!??!?
[10:45] <HrdwrBoB> madsen: it's part of the ubuntu desktop
[10:45] <HrdwrBoB> it doesn't HAVE to be installed
[10:45] <luc1f3r> cam, i'm sending it in #flood
[10:45] <madsen> Evo sucks!!! When will ppl learn?
[10:46] <HrdwrBoB> madsen: people like it
[10:46] <HrdwrBoB> I like it
[10:46] <HrdwrBoB> most people like a nice gui email client
[10:46] <DaNewB> madsen, it's pretty powerfull
[10:46] <HrdwrBoB> you may not like it, and that's fine
[10:46] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: Last time I wanted to 'apt-get remove --purge' it, it wanted to uninstall all kinds of crap...
[10:47] <madsen> DaNewB: Hah, Sylpheed-claws is powerful... Evo is outlook-ish...
[10:47] <HrdwrBoB> madsen: yes, lots of things are with evolution
[10:47] <luc1f3r> cam, did you see what i posted?
[10:47] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: I should be able to uninstall it still, without losing half of my other apps... I mean, it IS Linux...
[10:48] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: ... regardless if people like evo or not...
[10:48] <HrdwrBoB> what apps do you lose when you uninstall evo?
[10:48] <madsen> I can't remember, and can't tell you atm, as I'm dist-upgrading.
[10:48] <cam> yep
[10:48] <cam> looking at it
[10:48] <luc1f3r> k
[10:48] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: But try 'apt-get remove evolution', you can always answer no.
[10:49] <cam> hrm im not sure how to help you with that one.
[10:49] <HrdwrBoB> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:49] <HrdwrBoB> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[10:49] <HrdwrBoB>   evolution evolution-exchange
[10:49] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: Wtf!?! What version are you running? Hoary?
[10:50] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[10:50] <luc1f3r> cam that all?
[10:50] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: Wee! Then I might be able to remove it when I'm done dist-upgrading! :)
[10:50] <madsen> HrdwrBoB: I swear, it wanted to remove something like X last time I tried that.
[10:51] <madsen> Well, does anyone know if Ubuntu is known to work well with phones via IrDA?
[10:51] <madsen> 'cause my Debian kinda sucks at working with my Siemens CX65...
[10:52] <madsen> I was hoping that Ubuntu/udev would do a better job.
[10:52] <luc1f3r> cam check out this, maybe this is helpful
[10:52] <cam> ok
[10:53] <cam> i know what your problem is, something has stuffed up your driver installation
[10:53] <cam> not sure how to fix that though
[10:53] <cam> err
[10:53] <cam> :|
[10:53] <cam> thats confused me more
[10:53] <luc1f3r> ah. sorry
[10:53] <madsen> Hmm, how do I make using_dma stay on (and why is it disabled for my dvd-drive? by default?)
[10:54] <mchasard> hi
[10:54] <Zindar> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[10:54] <Zindar>   evolution
[10:54] <Zindar> that's all I get
[10:54] <Zindar> I don't have the exchange-stuff installed
[10:54] <madsen> Zindar: Hoary?
[10:54] <Zindar> nope...warty
[10:55] <madsen> Zindar: Hmm... I'm beginning to look forward to this...
[10:55] <mchasard> i'm very desapointed cause no way to boot the new livecd 0.9.2
[10:55] <Zindar> madsen: what?
[10:55] <madsen> Zindar: Removing Evo...
[10:56] <madsen> Zindar: I wasn't able to earlier because it wanted to remove all kinds of crap, but it seems that it's possible now, so I'll just wat for this dist-upgrade to finish and evo is out of here... :)
[10:56] <madsen> Zindar: I know a lot of people like it, but I find it bloated and useless... I like smaller, simpler (in some ways) and faster apps.
[10:57] <madsen> I'm currently planning to write a small address-book like that of OS X's.
[10:57] <Zindar> madsen: yeah.. well... it's not fast starting it up.. but then... I only do that once a fay :)
[10:57] <madsen> Just gotta find the time.
[10:57] <Zindar> madsen: using the evolution backend?
[10:57] <Zindar> madsen: you should really because that means that other pieces of gnome will access it automatically...
[10:58] <madsen> Zindar: Nope, I think I'll go with a std address format like vcard or something, so it can be used by all kinds of apps.
[10:58] <mchasard> so for the new live cd ...which can boot after the network and material detection,
[10:58] <madsen> Zindar: I don't like evolution, so I sure as hell won't back it by developing with/for it.
[10:58] <Zindar> madsen: I think you'll loose then... lot's of other apps will use the evolution backend...
[10:59] <Zindar> madsen: the backend is independent of evolution and was part of gnome before evo became a part of it...
[10:59] <Zindar> you don't even need to have evo installed to use it
[10:59] <madsen> Zindar: Well, with vcard, one could easilly use my address book in evo instead of a separate evo one...
[10:59] <scandium> what's the recommended VoIP (using SIP/RTP) client for use with Ubuntu? The Gtk+ client I have been using so far (linphone) isn't in main
[11:00] <madsen> Zindar: If evo could just be pointed at a specific address book location, then it'd be no problem...
[11:00] <mchasard> evolution thunderbird , kmail ...sylpeed ...its only a question of feeling
[11:00] <mchasard> ;-)
[11:00] <madsen> mchasard: True... And I don't feel good about Evo. :)
[11:00] <Zindar> madsen: well... your life... there are lot's of stand alone addressbook apps... they need integration with other apps before they suceeds... they haven't...
[11:01] <madsen> Zindar: Exactly... How do you think the mac apps work so well together?
[11:01] <madsen> Zindar: Because they use a common format...
[11:01] <mchasard> i'm running under mandrakemove so just kmail is proposed ...and its enough for me
[11:01] <Zindar> madsen: because they use a standard interface... just a standard format isn't enough....
[11:01] <madsen> Zindar: And most every mail-client can use vcard address books...
[11:01] <Zindar> they need to be able to query eachother live preferably...
[11:01] <madsen> Zindar: So, what do you need that a vcard can't give you?
[11:02] <Zindar> live querys.. a way to "lock" the addressbook so two apps don't use it at the same time, standard paths to it, etc... just wrappers around it....
[11:02] <Zindar> s/use/write to /
[11:03] <madsen> Zindar: That can be implemented in like 30 secs...
[11:03] <madsen> Zindar: In the addr book app I mean.
[11:03] <madsen> That's more an application issue than a format issue.
[11:04] <luc1f3r> cam did you give up?
[11:04] <madsen> Standard paths? Not necesarry... An env var can take care of that.
[11:04] <mchasard> which other live cd do you propose me ?
[11:04] <Zindar> madsen: as long as you don't require multiple apps to use the same backend/files... which is the whole point if you want it as integrated as the mac tools...
[11:05] <Zindar> madsen: then standard env vars...
[11:05] <mchasard> with configuration save ...
[11:05] <madsen> Zindar: And wtf do you mean by "live queries"?
[11:05] <Zindar> but hey.. it's up to you... go ahead and implement it... I'm sure some people will like it :)
[11:05] <Zindar> good luck
[11:05] <madsen> Zindar: Well, thanks.
[11:05] <flodin> how come unrar isn't in ubuntu?
[11:05] <fabbione> madsen sounds so much of a danish name...
[11:05] <Agrajag> flodin: it is
[11:06] <Agrajag> it's in multiverse
[11:06] <madsen> fabbione: That's most likely because it is. :)
[11:06] <Zindar> unrar is none free
[11:06] <flodin> i... see
[11:06] <fabbione> madsen: ehehe from where in dk?
[11:06] <madsen> fabbione: Aarhus, you?
[11:06] <fabbione> madsen: ah i lived in rhus for 3 years.. now i am in cph
[11:06] <nyxtreme> anyone know why I can't install rar?
[11:06] <cam> luc1f3r: yes, sorry, im sure someone else will be able to help you.
[11:06] <madsen> fabbione: Vanloese?
[11:07] <mchasard> ok thanks for all ... i have to leave ...
[11:07] <fabbione> madsen: brnshj
[11:07] <fabbione> but very close to Vanlse
[11:07] <madsen> fabbione: Ah, ok... Just your hostname... :)
[11:07] <fabbione> yeah i could guess that ;)
[11:08] <madsen> fabbione: I live just by the McDonalds at Salling. :) So fscking central and nice. :)
[11:08] <nyxtreme> anyone know why the comamnd 'sudo apt-get install rar' doesn't work for me?
[11:08] <madsen> fabbione: Where in Aarhus did you live?
[11:08] <fabbione> madsen: Skejby
[11:08] <madsen> nyxtreme: 'sudo apt-get --reinstall rar'
[11:09] <fabbione> and for a little while in at Viby Torv
[11:09] <madsen> fabbione: Oh. Don't know that very well. :)
[11:09] <luc1f3r> cam: is there someway I can do a recovery boot?
[11:09] <madsen> fabbione: Know that one. :)
[11:09] <fabbione> madsen: well it was a brand new set of buildings when i moved in there...
[11:09] <nyxtreme> madsen: that doesn't work either, it says E: Invalid operation rar
[11:09] <fabbione> sudo apt-get --reinstall install unrar
[11:09] <madsen> nyxtreme: Sorry, 'apt-get install --reinstall rar'
[11:10] <nyxtreme> oh thanks
[11:10] <flodin> well for some reason i can't mark "unrar" for installing in aptitude; unrar-nonfree works though
[11:11] <madsen> Arg, somebody kill me!!! This dist-upgrade still has an estimated 2h left! *sigh* Damn you 256kbps!
[11:11] <nyxtreme> yah
[11:12] <fabbione> madsen: go for cybercity 2Mbit ;)
[11:12] <madsen> Nah, too expensive for me. :/
[11:12] <fabbione> it went down quite a bit
[11:12] <madsen> fabbione: I'm studying, so I can't even really afford this crummy 256k conn. :/
[11:13] <fabbione> it's like 650DKK
[11:13] <fabbione> ah ok
[11:13] <pisuke> madsen, remember the dialup times
[11:13] <fabbione> i tought you were working.. sorry
[11:13] <madsen> fabbione: And this is like 250dkk :)
[11:13] <fabbione> living in the center ;)
[11:13] <madsen> fabbione: Hehe, don't be. :) I like studying. :)
[11:13] <madsen> pisuke: I sure do, and I'm glad that they're over.
[11:13] <madsen> fabbione: What do you do?
[11:14] <madsen> fabbione: This room I've got is only 1900 dkk a month (for 12 sq m), so it's affordable. :)
[11:16] <madsen> Well, think I'll watch a little futurama while the dist-upgrade is running.
[11:17] <madsen> See ya later! :)
[11:23] <fabbione> madsen: i work for Ubuntu ;)
[11:23] <fabbione> but yeah.. 1900dkk is nothing for a room in the center
[11:26] <sleon|ubuntu> hi
[11:26] <sleon|ubuntu> where to get unrar package for ubuntu from?
[11:26] <Agrajag> multiverse
[11:30] <madsen> fabbione: Woh, nice job. :) What do you do for Ubuntu?
[11:30] <Mind_Socket_brb> hiya, I've just tried installing ubuntu from cdrom, and have a problem when it comes to detecting and mounting the cdrom.
[11:30] <Mind_Socket_brb>  Based on this page http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4447.html it looks like a problem with having a SATA disk and the mode it is in.
[11:30] <madsen> Somehow Ubuntu has decided that even though I've got gsteamer-dvd installed it won't play any dvds today. :/
[11:31] <jocco> how can i tell other 3D artists how to get simple software without offending anyone?
[11:31] <jocco> Wingd 3d and Blender
[11:31] <madsen> jocco: What do you mean?
[11:31] <jocco> If I tell people how to get it Apt-get wont see it
[11:31] <Mind_Socket_brb> My problem, however, is that I have a CDROM and PATA IDE disk on 1 channel and the SATA disk on the other.  Any suggestions?  I', thinking  that removing the SATA disk might be the only option to get things installed
[11:32] <jocco> All bleeding edge software works with warty
[11:32] <MM2> I installed ubuntu from CD, installer told to remove media to reboot. After reboot installer SHOULD download some software, but it needs prosy. How I can tell installer which proxy to use?
[11:32] <madsen> jocco: Well, why don't you tell them to apt-get it then?
[11:32] <MM2> or how I install stantard packages from command line?
[11:32] <jocco> If I tell them to apt get it, they will get out dated blender and wings 3d
[11:33] <Agrajag> it doesn't need a proxy
[11:33] <jocco> actualy no wings
[11:33] <Agrajag> don't give it one if you don't use one
[11:33] <madsen> MM2: 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' will upgrade what you've already got.
[11:33] <MM2> madsen: I don't have x, and I want it
[11:33] <jocco> well, i have failsafe ways to install..
[11:33] <cam> whats the command to mount everything in fstab with auto?
[11:33] <Agrajag> mount -a
[11:34] <jocco> may i share without pissing off APT-get people?
[11:34] <cam> thanks
[11:34] <madsen> MM2: apt-get install xfree86-common
[11:35] <madsen> jocco: What do you mean? You've built a .deb pkg of the newest blender?
[11:35] <jocco> it is easy, un archive blender, and copy .blender directory to home folder
[11:35] <jocco> YOU DONT NEED DEB PACKAGE FOR BLEEDING EDGE BLENDER
[11:35] <jocco> :)
[11:35] <madsen> jocco: Relax!
[11:36] <madsen> jocco: Nobody will be offended, it's your system...
[11:36] <jocco> unarchive, and then copy .blender file to home folder
[11:36] <Mind_Socket_brb> figured it out, forget about it :)
[11:36] <jocco> the warty blender has no undo system
[11:36] <madsen> jocco: Ok, then use the hoary blender...
[11:36] <jocco> plus no support for wings 3d
[11:37] <madsen> blender - Very fast and versatile 3D modeller/renderer
[11:37] <MM2> How I copy (install) all packages from CD to system?
[11:37] <madsen> wings3d - A Nendo-inspired 3D polygon mesh modeller
[11:37] <madsen> jocco: In hoary both are there.
[11:37] <jocco> I use none , I install myself, can I post this kind of information on forum ?
[11:37] <cam> cant use blender. no ati support in hoary :(
[11:37] <MM2> install program has option (install all packages), but ubuntu default installer won't let me choose it
[11:37] <cam> pfft @ ATI. anyway. *notices topic*
[11:38] <madsen> jocco: What version is bleeding edge blender?
[11:38] <jocco> I dont see why it is an apt-get thing anyways, it is bleeding edge
[11:38] <madsen> jocco: Wtf are you talking about?
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[11:39] <jocco> here I give you link
[11:39] <madsen> jocco: What version is bleeding edge blender?
[11:39] <madsen> jocco: I know the fscking blender homepage...
[11:39] <madsen> jocco: I'm asking you to tell me what version BE blender is.
[11:39] <jocco> My version?
[11:40] <jocco> 2.36
[11:40] <jocco> I need this to use displacemant mapping
[11:40] <madsen> Ok, the one in the hoary repo is 2.34...
[11:40] <jocco> pre 2.2 has NO UNDO SYSTEM
[11:40] <madsen> jocco: Since when was 2.34 pre 2.2?
[11:40] <jocco> can I tell people to just use it
[11:41] <madsen> jocco: Jeez, read what I'm writing...
[11:41] <madsen> jocco: Yeah, if you think the difference between 2.34 and 2.36 is that big I'm sure nobody will prosecute or kill neither you or your family.
[11:42] <jocco> welll
[11:42] <jocco> cal I ask to kill 1 family member?
[11:42] <madsen> jocco: But I'm telling you that 2.34 is in the hoary repo... So you _can_ apt-get 2.34
[11:42] <jocco> i use Zbrush
[11:42] <jocco> I cant use 2.34
[11:42] <jocco> I need 2.35+
[11:42] <jocco> it is easy
[11:43] <jocco> unzip it
[11:43] <madsen> jocco: I fucking know!
[11:43] <jocco> :)
[11:43] <jocco> sorry to be a pinhead
[11:43] <madsen> You've said it twice before and I really don't care how easy it is... I'm not telling you to do or not to do anything... I'm just telling you that 2.34 is in the hoary repo!
[11:43] <DaNewB> Is there an open-source app like ToonBoom Studio(for making cartoons)?
[11:44] <jocco> nice
[11:44] <madsen> If you think that 2.36 is that much better, I'm pretty sure that everyone will understand why you recommend 2.36 instead.
[11:44] <jocco> can wings make it too?
[11:45] <jocco> the both unzip under warty, and run witout any other packages
[11:45] <madsen> Wings in hoary is 0.98.26, I don't know what version the "bleeding edge" version is.
[11:45] <jocco> ok
[11:46] <madsen> jocco: I don't even know why you're asking this... I don't think anyone will tell you that it's not alright...
[11:46] <jocco> I have a fettish for bumpmapping support
[11:46] <zAo^> I have a 2.2Ghz laptop, it only uses 1100 mhz ! What should I do?
[11:46] <jocco> I hope I dont seem as a pest
[11:47] <jocco> if I do sorry
[11:47] <jocco> i have no friends
[11:47] <MM2> last step in installer: Ubuntu provides additional etc... download from internet... HOW I TELL IT TO USE PROXY?
[11:48] <MM2> I fell to text interface without X and I don't want it
[11:48] <DaNewB> ctrl-alt-f7?
[11:48] <MM2> or how I after answering no, install DEFAULT packages after I have exported http_proxy?
[11:48] <MM2> different terminal?
[11:49] <MM2> ctrl-alt-f7 won't give graphical interface, becausi it is NOT installed
[11:49] <MM2> because installer wants download them from internet, and it can't without proxy
[11:50] <DaNewB> I'll let the experts answer...
[11:50] <MM2> anyone? please!
[11:51] <MM2> I have (tried) installed different distros for 3 days now...
[11:51] <MM2> packages are in CD...
[11:51] <MM2> Hmm... expert mode... reinstall... *uck!
[11:52] <madmatt> hrm - well in debian you can add lines to your apt-get cfg to make it search /mnt/cdrom first
[11:52] <madmatt> i wouldn't know about ubuntu, but maybe you could do that [note i just joined the channel so if i missed an important detail please tell ;D] 
[11:52] <MM2> but ubuntu installer wants to download them from internet!
[11:53] <DaNewB> madmatt, he has a proxy
[11:53] <madmatt> so you don't have the option to get them from cd [or is the problem that they're not on the cd at all?] 
[11:54] <MM2> I have 2 machines installed correctly, them didn't needed proxy. How I export package list from this so I can use apt to install same packages after I export http_proxy?
[11:54] <MM2> madmatt: no
[11:54] <MM2> madmatt: installer wants to download them
[11:55] <madmatt> hrm, the installer only wanted to download security patches for me - i jsut disconnected eth0 and it skipped them
[11:56] <DaNewB> MM2, how come other machines didnt need a proxy?
[11:57] <MM2> DaNewB: because our ISP:s firewall lets them to access internet without proxy
[11:57] <DaNewB> MM2, normally, the installer asks you if you want to update now or not(I think)?
[11:58] <MM2> DaNewB: and if I answer NO, I end up with text interface
[11:58] <MM2> how I can install graphical iface after that?
[11:58] <MM2> and other default packages?
[11:59] <DaNewB> MM2, oh, that's weird. Try "apt-get update upgrade" maybe?
[11:59] <DaNewB> MM2, that is, after you set your proxy
[11:59] <DaNewB> MM2, but I'm just a novice and I dont get your problem...
[12:00] <MM2> DaNewB: every single package is updated
[12:00] <MM2> DaNewB: but Xwindow is NOT installed
[12:00] <MM2> DaNewB: because installer wants to download them from internet
[12:01] <MM2> DaNewB: and it CAN't, because it needs proxy to download them
[12:01] <DaNewB> MM2, then set up your proxy?
[12:01] <MM2> DaNewB: packages woult be in CD, but installer completely ignores them
[12:01] <MM2> DaNewB: I CAN'T tell insteller to use proxy!!!!!!!
[12:03] <DaNewB> MM2, so you wish to install the packages that are on the C?
[12:03] <DaNewB> C*
[12:03] <DaNewB> CD*
[12:03] <DaNewB> MM2, so you wish to install the packages that are on the CD?
[12:04] <crying> help!
[12:05] <crying> i installed windows xp on a seperate partition to hoary, and now i can't get back into hoary, rescue on the warty cd doesn't work
[12:05] <Zindar> crying: why not?
[12:05] <Zindar> rescue that is
[12:06] <crying> i use rescue root=/dev/hda1
[12:06] <crying> and then it gives loads of modules errors
[12:07] <Zindar> crying: do you have a live cd?
[12:07] <crying> i compiled my own kernel for hoary thoguh
[12:07] <crying> Zindar: no
[12:07] <DaNewB> MM2, see "man sources.list" and apt-cdrom
[12:07] <Zindar> if so, get it.. mount your current hd, install grub, reboot
[12:07] <crying> can you recommend one?
[12:07] <Zindar> crying: the ubuntu live cd! :)
[12:07] <Zindar> of course
[12:07] <crying> :)
[12:07] <Zindar> that's probably the simplest thing...
[12:08] <Zindar> but why do you run hoary?
[12:08] <crying> because warty won't work on my system
[12:09] <crying> whatever version of xfree it uses gets a segfault
[12:09] <crying> xorg is fine though
[12:09] <MM2> ok, couple of ctrl-c's helped with exported http_proxy from other terminal (?)... But now I have 1 comp with missing packages...
[12:10] <MM2> how I export list of installed packages? (dpkg -l > list) and install packages from list to that one comp?
[12:13] <poof> 0o
[12:14] <MM2> still 6 machines to install. And them need CD-ROM drives to install too...
[12:14] <DaNewB> MM2, did you try apt-cdrom?? (i'm confused)
[12:15] <DaNewB> MM2, why dont you ask this in your Linux class? LOL
[12:16] <poof> 0o
[12:16] <HostingGeek> /exec -o lynx http://ubuntulinux.org
[12:16] <poof> am I bad person?
[12:16] <HostingGeek> yes
[12:17] <HostingGeek> your not in #ubuntu-offtopic thats why
[12:17] <poof> i want to help
[12:17] <DaNewB> poof, then help MM2 if you can
[12:19] <HostingGeek> MM2: what do you want to do?
[12:19] <poof> Umm, i cant help MM2, that question is for GURU
[12:19] <HostingGeek> MM2: the easest way would be by making a meta package
[12:19] <HostingGeek> but i guess your a n00b
[12:20] <poof> makeing fun of him dont help
[12:20] <MM2> DaNewB: because i'm teacher on it :)
[12:21] <MM2> solved it and keeping on installing
[12:21] <MM2> still 55 mins to go :)
[12:21] <MM2> and I must make auth against win pdc also :)
[12:21] <poof> heh
[12:22] <poof> Ubuntu has changed my life
[12:22] <DaNewB> MM2, problem solved? well I guess you didnt need us...
[12:22] <MM2> base-config... (command)...
[12:22] <MM2> hint hint hint
[12:22] <MM2> hope it works :)
[12:23] <DaNewB> MM2, OH, sorry, guess I insulted you.. didnt mean to... :)
[12:24] <t31> hi, someone knows how to install ubuntu on to my hd, when i start pc from the cd goes straight to the desktop
[12:24] <pisuke> t31, maybe you have a live cd. you need an install cd.
[12:24] <DaNewB> t31, I bet you got the Live CD? You need the install CD to install to HD
[12:25] <t31> yeap i got a live cd
[12:25] <t31> cant i with this one?
[12:26] <DaNewB> t31, not normally, get the install CD
[12:26] <Hwolf> no, dont think you can
[12:26] <t31> :( ok i will return to windows :P and look for the install cd any nice bt link u know
[12:27] <t31> np i will google for a while :)
[12:27] <t31> hope be back soon ;)
[12:27] <Hwolf> There should be a torrent on the download site
[12:27] <t31> thx
[12:28] <Hwolf> Hm. Can someone reccomend a good book for someone who is marginally interested in learning to program in python?
[12:28] <DaNewB> Hwolf, check python.org maybe?
[12:29] <Hwolf> Working on it.
[12:30] <Hwolf> omg, legal ebooks. What a sight!
[12:30] <DaNewB> Hwolf, check Ubuntulinux.org --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/books/python
[12:31] <DaNewB> Hwolf, "Dive into Python" by Mark Pilgrim (never read it, but it's 5 stars...)
[12:31] <Hwolf> Downing. :-)
[12:47] <t31> already downloading the image, the live cd doesnt recognice my combo dvd cdrw, would be much problem to make it work?
[12:51] <Loki|muh> hi
[12:53] <Loki|muh> does the warty-install-kernel support the 3ware raid controller 8000-series?
[12:53] <Loki|muh> anyone knows?
[12:54] <HostingGeek> I would like to notice everyone that there is #ubuntu-offtopic and it is offical
[12:56] <quazion> HI, i have a problem, i switched res with the menu tool, but now i cant get it of 800x600
[12:56] <quazion> and the menu is off the screen, i tried logining again, but no go
[12:56] <quazion> any idea, how to reset the default res ?
[12:56] <scoon> quazion, log out and the reset the X-server.
[12:56] <quazion> i did ctrl-alt-del te restart x
[12:56] <DaNewB> quazion, alt-F1
[12:56] <scoon> quazion, that can be done with this key combo ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:57] <quazion> i mean backspace
[12:57] <DaNewB> quazion, do ALT-F2 then run "gnome-display-properties"
[12:57] <quazion> DaNewB: will try, i am on a console now :)
[12:58] <HostingGeek> DaNewB: that will not work
[12:58] <scoon> quazion, how about control-alt-+
[12:58] <HostingGeek> quazion: don't do it
[12:58] <scoon> quazion, or ctl-alt--
[12:58] <DaNewB> quazion, that will get you to the screen resolution dialog
[12:58] <quazion> thanks working again...
[12:58] <HostingGeek> quazion: please start gnome again
[12:58] <HostingGeek> then open a terminal
[12:59] <HostingGeek> and do that command
[12:59] <quazion> thanks guys for the quick help
[12:59] <HostingGeek> as you need to do it on a evament that can run gtk+
[12:59] <DaNewB> quazion, what did you do?
[12:59] <FuNgEx> Hello
[12:59] <quazion> i open terminal on current x display and run the command yuo gave
[01:00] <DaNewB> hi FuNgEx
[01:00] <DaNewB> quazion, cool
[01:00] <d3vic3> does anyone know wat packge is nsgmls in ?
[01:00] <quazion> brb, switching to xchat again
[01:00] <d3vic3> does anyone know wat package is nsgmls in ?
[01:01] <HostingGeek> DaNewB: he did it the way that will work and the way i said coz' i am cool now join #ubuntu-offtopic and i'll explane why it will not work
[01:02] <scandium> d3vic3: "sp"
[01:03] <Loki|muh> anyone knows where i can get the kernel config warty uses?
[01:05] <FuNgEx> hi, isn't there yet any .deb file for firefox 1.0?
[01:05] <firstknight> is there any ubuntu webpage like http://packages.gentoo.org/ ????
[01:06] <Freduardo> FuNgEx, you can apt-get it when you use the Hoary repositories
[01:06] <Freduardo> Ithink
[01:06] <FuNgEx> can i use hoary repositories with warty?
[01:06] <FuNgEx> perhaps not a very good ideia right?
[01:07] <Freduardo> you can use them just to get firefow
[01:07] <Freduardo> and then turn them back of
[01:07] <Freduardo> again: I think
[01:07] <hannes__> possiby...
[01:07] <FuNgEx> in distrowatch they were predicting that hoary would be released yesterday
[01:07] <hannes__> *bly
[01:07] <souki> Loki|muh: there is a module named 3w-xxxx.ko
[01:07] <FuNgEx> any deadline for that?
[01:07] <hannes__> it will be released 04/2005
[01:08] <Freduardo> huh
[01:08] <FuNgEx> ok
[01:08] <hannes__> (version 5.04
[01:08] <hannes__> there is a date in wiki
[01:08] <FuNgEx> thx
[01:09] <FuNgEx> I will try that with repositories to get firefox and thunderbird or even recent evolution.
[01:09] <outsider1> Can warty be upgraded to hoary with the hoary cd (once its come out)?
[01:09] <scandium> yes
[01:09] <scandium> I read somewhere on ubuntulinux.org that dist upgrades will be supported
[01:09] <souki> Loki|muh:  the 7000/8000 series has had its 3w-xxxx drive included in the kernel for several years.
[01:10] <outsider1> scandium: how? adding the cd to the sources, and typing "apt-get upgrade"?
[01:10] <souki> Loki|muh: previous citation from 3ware site
[01:10] <Loki|muh> souki: thanks alot
[01:12] <scandium> outsider1: how am I supposed to know? :)
[01:16] <scandium> outsider1: I can only tell you what is in the FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrading
[01:18] <HostingGeek> FuNgEx: still here?
[01:18] <DaNewB> outsider1, wont the install program autodetect your Warty install and sk to upgrade?
[01:18] <DaNewB> ask*
[01:18] <FuNgEx> yes
[01:18] <HostingGeek> there is a unoffical backports project for these apps goto the wiki/Brakemyubuntu
[01:18] <HostingGeek> FuNgEx: that was for you
[01:18] <FuNgEx> thx
[01:19] <FuNgEx> HostingGeek: thx
[01:19] <outsider1> FuNgEx: do you know how we will upgrade our ubuntus?
[01:20] <FuNgEx> nop...
[01:20] <FuNgEx> HostingGeek:
[01:21] <HostingGeek> FuNgEx: you don't need to know just yet
[01:21] <HostingGeek> FuNgEx: you want the backports
[01:21] <HostingGeek> it will not brake your ubuntu
[01:22] <FuNgEx> HostingGeek: i'm new to linux... i'm starting with your distro
[01:23] <FuNgEx> HostingGeek: do i add something to the repository?
[01:23] <HostingGeek> read the page
[01:23] <HostingGeek> it tells you what you do from synaptic
[01:28] <FuNgEx> HostingGeek: all is going fine... upgrading...
[01:28] <FuNgEx> HostingGeek: thx you
[01:29] <HostingGeek> upgrading to? hoary or using backports, FuNgEx
[01:30] <FuNgEx> using backports
[01:31] <FuNgEx> I'm new to this... so hard for me to go to advanced stuff... and for now i'll keep warty... hoary just when it's released
[01:32] <DaNewB> backports is a nice thing, otherwise Ubuntu (stable) would feel a little outdated
[01:32] <HostingGeek> FuNgEx: no upgrade to hoary once the preview 1 is out
[01:33] <FuNgEx> i've seen some hoary cds on the internet...
[01:33] <FuNgEx> even tried that ones... but did not get it to work properly
[01:33] <Hwolf> Gods, If only I where a hacker.
[01:34] <Hwolf> I can acces about a dozen unconfigured windows networks at this time.
[01:34] <Hwolf> Just browsing samba. :-)
[01:35] <DaNewB> Hwolf, kidding?
[01:35] <Hwolf> No.
[01:36] <Hwolf> I'm in a student-building. Fibre-channel through the entire building. few hunderd rooms. Apperantly nobody realises that makes the entire building into a single network.
[01:36] <firstknight> where can I see ubuntu packages ( the list )???? I am not ubuntu user. just think to migrate.....
[01:36] <Hwolf> firstnight, you can see a summary on distrowatch.
[01:37] <elyseum> same list as debian i guess
[01:37] <elyseum> or almost the same
[01:37] <scandium> firstknight: try http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/ - I don't know if there is a nicely formatted html page etc., too
[01:37] <Cam-> how do i modprobe something on startup? ;)
[01:37] <Cam-> silly question
[01:38] <souki> firstknight: much less than debian, but you can import deb repos
[01:39] <souki> firstknight: for example, there is no freenx/nxclient in ubuntu repos
[01:39] <FuNgEx> i'm loving this distro...
[01:40] <DaNewB> FuNgEx, welcome
[01:40] <firstknight> scandium, I hope ubuntu have one like this: http://packages.gentoo.org/
[01:40] <FuNgEx> my first impression of linux was not very good... i tried gentooo
[01:40] <Cam-> fungex: good eh ;)
[01:40] <DaNewB> firstknight, Debian has a page like that too
[01:40] <firstknight> souki, is it that much???????
[01:40] <FuNgEx> i couldn't get to have gnome...
[01:40] <elyseum> not good for a first start, too hard
[01:40] <Hwolf> Heh. Gentoo is great. As long as you don't need to get anything done. :-)
[01:40] <FuNgEx> compilation problems...
[01:40] <firstknight> DaNewB, ubuntu is not debian.....
[01:40] <souki> firstknight: I don't think so, even fedora core doesn't
[01:41] <souki> firstknight: I was copparing to gentoo
[01:42] <FuNgEx> so this was like "i'm in heaven"
[01:43] <FuNgEx> very simple instalation
[01:44] <FuNgEx> i'm a gnome fan so i've tried suse 9.2 but did not like having gnome 2.6 and even there was to many things to choose etc
[01:44] <FuNgEx> i like "your" keep it simple philosophy
[01:44] <souki> firstknight: I'm not an ubuntu converted yet, I'm just testing it. Good desktop, but not enough packages
[01:45] <souki> firstknight: best out of the box distro for my laptop centrino
[01:45] <FuNgEx> Nice help too thx you
[01:45] <DaNewB> souki, not too much packages, but enough, yes
[01:45] <firstknight> I just worry if I installed ubuntu, I have to install many software manually. With gentoo or debian or fc, you have many packages that you can forget about  ./configure; make; make install
[01:46] <firstknight> I think it is not wise to mix the debian packages with ubuntu packages........
[01:46] <souki> DaNewB: not enough for me
[01:47] <souki> firstknight: my experience since one week (I've installed ubuntu twice) : it is very diffcult to mix repos
[01:47] <elyseum> in the future i guess alot of the debian packages will be converted to ubuntu, so...
[01:48] <Hwolf> You could always enable universe/multiverse.
[01:48] <outsider1> what if i have a debian package that i need in ubuntu? can i install it with dpkg -i <packagename>
[01:48] <Hwolf> That gives you acces to about all the debian packages.
[01:49] <DaNewB> outsider1, I did with Gtk-Gnutella for instance
[01:49] <outsider1> Hwolf: are those "ubuntu save" debian packages
[01:49] <HostingGeek> People, People, Linus has reply a comment on this page http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=current about ubuntu
[01:49] <ZzeCoOl> hello guys
[01:49] <Hwolf> outsider, those are the ubuntu copies of the debian sid repro's
[01:51] <DaNewB> ZzeCoOl, well hello
[01:52] <ZzeCoOl> DaNewB: :)
[01:52] <outsider1> Hwolf: i have a custom package that isnt in debian, is it safe to install that?
[01:52] <ZzeCoOl> outsider1: it depents
[01:53] <souki> HostingGeek: not just a comment, a blessing
[01:53] <Hwolf> Sure it is
[01:54] <FuNgEx> restartin
[01:54] <Hwolf> outsider1, trouble comes if you install something debian, which requires or is relied upon by something ubuntu. If the debian stuff handles something different from ubuntu, you get crashes.
[01:54] <FuNgEx> c ya
[01:54] <manu> yo
[01:54] <kent> yeah,  everytime some one signs a commenct with /Linus Torvalds, we can for sure know its him, becaus no one would ever think of copy his name ;)
[01:54] <herman_> whats wrong with this?: mount -t smbfs -o username=herman,password=blaat //192.168.1.90/share /mnt/smb
[01:55] <ZzeCoOl> herman_: nothing
[01:55] <herman_> hmz
[01:55] <herman_> it gives an bad superblock error
[01:55] <ZzeCoOl> does the directory /mnt/smb exist?
[01:55] <herman_> yup
[01:55] <ZzeCoOl> hmm
[01:55] <souki> herman_: sounds like a problem on your disk
[01:56] <herman_> souki, its a network share
[01:56] <ZzeCoOl> is it ntfs ?
[01:56] <ZzeCoOl> but this really doesnt matter
[01:56] <kent> HostingGeek, oh my good..  They used Ubuntu in Soviet Russia aswell, check the comments on distrowatch :)
[01:56] <herman_> it work in nautilus
[01:56] <herman_> to browse to that share
[01:57] <ZzeCoOl> herman_: whatttt?
[01:57] <ZzeCoOl> then the share is allready mounted
[01:57] <herman_> smb://192.168.1.90/share works perfectly in nautilus
[01:57] <LagoniX> Hi, any of you guys got a anser to why my repeat keyboard dont work in gnome but works on tty and kde
[01:57] <ZzeCoOl> what are u trying to do ?
[01:57] <herman_> ZzeCoOl, no, besides i tried that afterwards
[01:57] <souki> herman_: yes it's different, nautilus doesn't mount le samba share
[01:57] <FuNgEx> Back i am
[01:57] <FuNgEx> :D
[01:57] <ZzeCoOl> aha i see
[01:58] <herman_> yes and i want to mount the share
[01:58] <herman_> so i can pipe some output to it
[01:58] <ZzeCoOl> FuNgEx: may the force be with you ....Always
[01:58] <herman_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.1.90/share,
[01:58] <herman_>        or too many mounted file systems
[01:58] <herman_> is the exact error
[01:59] <FuNgEx> May Right You Be, ZzeCoOl
[01:59] <ZzeCoOl> herman_: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[01:59] <ZzeCoOl> haahahaahh
[02:00] <ZzeCoOl> FuNgEx: :PPP
[02:00] <HostingGeek> why arn't Kaffe, SableVM or JamVM used as the offical javavms in ubuntu like whats happening in debina
[02:00] <HostingGeek> *debian
[02:01] <herman_> ZzeCoOl, the guide says the same
[02:01] <ZzeCoOl> herman
[02:01] <ZzeCoOl> just reboot many times it helps
[02:01] <herman_> hahaha
[02:01] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[02:01] <globetek> anyone ever have probs with the sourceforge package?
[02:02] <globetek> or is it better to just compile things yourself?
[02:02] <DaNewB> globetek, which package?
[02:03] <globetek> sourceforge
[02:03] <globetek> and the gforge packages
[02:03] <ZzeCoOl> sourcefarge isnt a packge
[02:03] <ZzeCoOl> sourceforge isnt a package
[02:04] <globetek> it's not? mm..maybe in the universe or backports itt is
[02:04] <globetek> dunno
[02:05] <DaNewB> globetek, gforge is a package yes (found it in Synaptic)
[02:06] <ZzeCoOl> yes
[02:06] <ZzeCoOl> i found it too
[02:06] <ZzeCoOl> i didnt know that there is a package with that name
[02:06] <ZzeCoOl> O_o
[02:06] <ZzeCoOl> Empty package to help with Sourceforge to Gforge transition
[02:06] <FuNgEx> HostingGeek: do you know where can i get Skype for ubuntu?
[02:06] <ZzeCoOl> Empty O_o
[02:07] <DaNewB> me neither, bt I dont host a collaboration project...
[02:07] <FuNgEx> ZzeCoOl: this question i made to HostingGeek serves you as well
[02:07] <HostingGeek> FuNgEx: GOOGLE NOES ALL
[02:07] <DaNewB> FuNgEx, I think it's explained on ubuntuguide.org
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> http://ubuntuguide.org/#skype
[02:08] <globetek> so it's better to build the packagesy ourself right
[02:08] <FuNgEx> let me bookmark that page
[02:08] <FuNgEx> :D
[02:08] <globetek> i kind of likee this better than BSD land
[02:08] <Guardiann> :)
[02:08] <Luie> Does any one know where I can finde some packages repository's for amd64
[02:11] <ZzeCoOl> FuNgEx: u didnt allready???? O_o
[02:11] <DaNewB> Luie, are there repos specific to amd64?
[02:12] <LagoniX> Does any one know whats wrong when 'repeat keyboard' don't work in gnome????
[02:13] <ozmund> When I use F1 (to dimm brightness) on my powerbook G4 (550MHz), I get lcd blooming (screen 'seems' to melt). This happens with kernel 2.6.10, it does not happen on 2.6.9. Have anyone seen similar?
[02:13] <globetek> so sourceforge is a empty package?
[02:13] <globetek> are emptypackages bad for stability in .deb distros
[02:14] <Cam-> whats the best gnome news client?
[02:14] <ZzeCoOl> FuNgEx: are u using skype?
[02:14] <ozmund> Cam-, I like pan
[02:14] <ZzeCoOl> to make real phonecals
[02:15] <tungsten> having trouble with loading cups-driver-gimpprint
[02:15] <Cam-> thanks ozmund
[02:15] <tungsten> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1885&goto=nextnewest
[02:15] <chewvl> Cam -> the newsreader most folks on GNOME use
[02:16] <tungsten> Item from mark not real clear
[02:16] <chewvl> is pan
[02:16] <tungsten> I launch synaptic but do'nt see any package for cupsys?
[02:17] <Quest-Master> Guys
[02:17] <tungsten> I launch synaptic but do'nt see any package for cupsys-driver-gimpprint
[02:17] <Quest-Master> If I simply drag an ISO file into Nautilus CD Burner
[02:17] <Quest-Master> And write contents to CD
[02:17] <Cam-> ta
[02:17] <Quest-Master> Will it work like it should? (Burn the contents of the ISO to the CD)
[02:17] <tungsten> trying to get a standard epson c82 to print
[02:17] <Quest-Master> Or do I need to download k3b?
[02:18] <kent> Quest-Master, to burn an iso-file, just select the file (rightclick on it) and select burn.  Dont copy it to the burn-window, then it would be burned as a file, and not as a iso
[02:18] <scizzo> Quest-Master: right click on the file and tell it to write to CD
[02:18] <Quest-Master> It doesn't have that option for some reason
[02:18] <Quest-Master> It doesn't say "Burn to disc"
[02:18] <Quest-Master> The CD is empty and the nautilus-cd-burner is running though.. :(
[02:19] <scizzo> Quest-Master: move it to the nautilus-burner select it and then right click and see if the option is there
[02:19] <Quest-Master> Ok
[02:19] <aires> Quest-Master: Hello, I'm experiencing some problems installing ubuntu on a Opteron 1Gb RAM...
[02:19] <Quest-Master> aires: What're your problems?
[02:19] <Quest-Master> scizzo: No, it didn't show up the option
[02:20] <scizzo> Quest-Master: weird
[02:20] <aires> Quest-Master: When it start to "booting the kernel", it simply freezes. Verbose mode level 5 doesn't return anything.
[02:20] <Quest-Master> aires: Whoa. That's weird.
[02:20] <Quest-Master> aires: Try posting at the forums or on the mailing list (best idea).
[02:20] <Quest-Master> scizzo: Use k3b then?
[02:21] <wezzer> is there any possibility to burn nero images in linux?
[02:21] <tungsten> should I be able to apt-get install cupsys-driver-gimpprint?
[02:21] <scizzo> wezzer: nero images?
[02:21] <wezzer> scizzo: .nrg
[02:21] <scizzo> Quest-Master: using hoary
[02:21] <scizzo> ?
[02:21] <Quest-Master> Nope
[02:21] <Quest-Master> Warty
[02:21] <tungsten> the package is listed in ubuntu
[02:21] <scandium> wezzer: there's a program called "nrg2iso"
[02:21] <aires> Quest-Master: There is any console exit going thru serial port?
[02:21] <wezzer> scandium: aah, okay, so I have to convert them first
[02:21] <wezzer> thanks
[02:22] <aires> That's the only thing I can realize that I didn't attempt already...
[02:22] <scandium> wezzer: well, perhaps there *is* an app that can burn nrg files, though
[02:22] <wezzer> I'll check freshmeat
[02:22] <globetek> is it possible to have debian via apt-get ?
[02:23] <Quest-Master> What is cdrao?
[02:23] <Quest-Master> k3b needs it apparently
[02:23] <Quest-Master> And I can't find it in the repos.
[02:23] <ondrej> seb128: ping?
[02:23] <seb128> ondrej: pong
[02:23] <jono> quick question - when I plug in a usb device and just pull the usb device out, it crashes the system - is this a bug in the kernel, hotplug or hal?
[02:23] <jono> I am just reporting it
[02:25] <mjr> well, if it crashes the system, it's a bug at least in the low-level driver, ie. the kernel
[02:26] <mjr> it may be debatable if there's also a bug in hotplug, but I'd report it to the kernel
[02:26] <aires> Quest-Master: Thank you for the advice...
[02:27] <jono> right
[02:27] <jono> where do I report bugs in hoary
[02:27] <jono> when I fill in the form there is no package listed for linux-image-2.6.10
[02:27] <tungsten> gimpprint shows up in packages but not in my /var/lib/dpkg/info?
[02:28] <Parallax> cdrdao not cdrao
[02:28] <tungsten> when I try to install the package does the computer first check my local /var for a match is this why I can't add the package?
[02:29] <jono> should I report hoary bugs at bugzilla.ubuntu.com ?
[02:29] <tungsten> I'm trying to add using apt-get install cupsys-driver-gimpprint
[02:29] <housetier> tungsten whats the error message from apt-get?
[02:30] <tungsten> no installation canadate
[02:30] <daniels> jono: yah
[02:31] <jono> daniels, but the package that the bug relates to does not pop up in the packages text box?
[02:31] <tungsten> not available but is referred to by another package
[02:31] <Lect0r> http://www.icefighter.com/index.php?teamNr=92623
[02:32] <housetier> tungsten referred to as in "depends"?
[02:32] <tungsten> this may mean the package is missing, has been obsoleted or is available from another source
[02:32] <daniels> jono: oh, right ... just file it on 'linux'
[02:32] <tungsten> the epson c82 is a standard nix printer
[02:33] <tungsten> I must be doing something wrong
[02:33] <jono> daniels, ok cheers
[02:33] <jono> we interviewed mark shuttleworth this morning for LUGRadio :)
[02:33] <housetier> tungsten which package "refers to" cupsys-driver-gimpprint by which means?
[02:33] <outsider1> jono: where do you work?
[02:34] <tungsten> not specified
[02:34] <jono> outsider1, I work at OpenAdvantage (www.openadvantage.org) as a professional open source evangelist
[02:34] <jono> I am also a journalist
[02:34] <outsider1> ah, i know some guys that work for mark
[02:34] <DaNewB> jono, kewl
[02:34] <housetier> tungsten well which package refers to cupsys-driver-gimpprint?
[02:35] <daniels> jono: awesome :) how'd it go?
[02:35] <daniels> outsider1: yeah, a couple of them are in here
[02:35] <tungsten> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1885&goto=nextnewest
[02:35] <outsider1> daniels: that would make sense ;)
[02:35] <FuNgEx> ZzeCoOl: yes...i'm usign skype
[02:35] <tungsten> I'm trying to use what Mark did
[02:35] <FuNgEx> great app
[02:36] <FuNgEx> sorry for the very late response
[02:36] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[02:36] <ZzeCoOl> i have problem when tying to install k3b
[02:36] <outsider1> who here works for tsf?
[02:36] <FuNgEx> i like that program too
[02:37] <FuNgEx> i'll be using it
[02:37] <FuNgEx> what kind of problem do you get
[02:37] <ZzeCoOl> it says something about the cdrom root priv
[02:37] <housetier> tungsten just on a side note, to make communication easier if you answer a question, add the nickname to it. that makes it easier to find your answers :)
[02:37] <ZzeCoOl> solution ryun k3bsetup
[02:37] <Shimonn> hi, ubuntu's installer in expert mode make me choose for a kernel. i have linux-386 linux-image-386 linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386 and linux-image-2.6-386 hiwh one should i use ?
[02:37] <FuNgEx> hmmm ok
[02:37] <ZzeCoOl> but when i run setup it only outpu many errors
[02:37] <jono> daniels, it went really well - we love doing the interviews, and it will be in the show released on monday
[02:37] <housetier> tungsten did you enable the universe repository like mark did?
[02:37] <jono> mark seems like a genuinely good guy
[02:38] <daniels> jono: sweet
[02:38] <tungsten> no
[02:38] <FuNgEx> i'll try that and see how it works for me
[02:38] <FuNgEx> restarting... BRB
[02:38] <ZzeCoOl> also it pop up a windows with the error k3bseup2 command didnt found
[02:38] <ZzeCoOl> k3bsetup2*
[02:38] <housetier> tungsten ok then do what mark did
[02:39] <housetier> tungsten and then try again
[02:39] <Shimonn> hi, ubuntu's installer in expert mode make me choose for a kernel. i have linux-386 linux-image-386 linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386 and linux-image-2.6-386 hiwh one should i use ?
[02:39] <tungsten> housetier thanks
[02:40] <globetek>  error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/sourceforge_3.1-17_all.deb
[02:40] <jcspray> Shimonn: linux-image-386
[02:41] <jcspray> Shimonn: in fact they will all end up with the same kernel installed, but with the more general package you get automatic upgrades.
[02:41] <jcspray> Shimonn: Also, as an 'expert' shouldn't you know ;-)
[02:41] <madsen> Hmm, wtf do I do when the fuse module gives me:
[02:41] <madsen> fuse: Unknown symbol __per_cpu_offset
[02:41] <madsen> fuse: Unknown symbol _spin_unlock
[02:41] <madsen> fuse: Unknown symbol _spin_lock
[02:41] <madsen> ?
[02:41] <globetek> i'm beginning to th ink that there's some probs with scripts in deb packages
[02:41] <globetek> mm
[02:41] <Shimonn> i used expert mode as my network card didn't work with simple mode
[02:42] <Shimonn> and it seems it still doesn't work
[02:42] <FuNgEx> Back
[02:42] <FuNgEx> my skype installation failled
[02:43] <madsen> FuNgEx: How did you try to install it?
[02:43] <Shimonn> i had a message telling the tulip module (for the ethernet card) couldn't be loaded.
[02:43] <FuNgEx> the same way they had on ubuntuguide.org#skype
[02:44] <madsen> FuNgEx: Isn't there an RPM for it?
[02:44] <FuNgEx> yes
[02:44] <madsen> FuNgEx: Then just convert that to a .deb pkg with 'alien' and install it. :)
[02:44] <gomez> Hello, I've upgraded to Hoary and X won't start - it pauses for a long time and then gives "giving up, Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server, No such process (errno 3): server error"
[02:44] <madsen> FuNgEx: Worked great on Debian
[02:44] <FuNgEx> but that was for suse
[02:44] <gomez> help!
[02:45] <FuNgEx> madsen, i'm new to linux...
[02:45] <FuNgEx> this is my first distro
[02:45] <tritium> globetek, not a global problem.  Occasionally is some packages, there can be problems.
[02:45] <madsen> FuNgEx: Doesn't matter, try it out. :) It can't hurt. You can always uninstall it again.
[02:45] <FuNgEx> ok
[02:46] <Shimonn> i had a message telling the tulip module (for the ethernet card) couldn't be loaded. why ?
[02:46] <FuNgEx> madsen, there are various rpm's
[02:46] <tritium> My debian sid installation could detect CUPS printers on the network.  My ubuntu can't detect any.
[02:46] <FuNgEx> SUse etc etc...
[02:47] <madsen> FuNgEx: Just install 'alien' (it should be in the packages list) and then get the RPM and do 'alien skype-xxxxx.rpm' and then 'dpkg -i skype_xxxxx.deb' (where the x's are replaced by the rest of the file name.
[02:47] <FuNgEx> VERY SILLY QUESTION: how can i then install .deb files?
[02:47] <madsen> FuNgEx: Go after a RedHat if possible.
[02:47] <madsen> FuNgEx: -^ :)
[02:47] <tritium> FuNgEx, dpkg -i package.deb
[02:48] <DaNewB> FuNgEx, didnt I tell you that already?
[02:48] <FuNgEx> SUse, Fedora or Mandrake
[02:48] <ZzeCoOl> FuNgEx: there is also an X way easier :) it called "kpackage"
[02:48] <madsen> FuNgEx: http://skype.com/go/getskype-linux-fc2 <- That one I guess is best.
[02:49] <FuNgEx> ok thx...
[02:49] <madsen> FuNgEx: np :)
[02:49] <madsen> Now, how do I resolve this '"unresolved symbols" in the fuse module'-problem?
[02:49] <gomez> anyone have any ideas about the problem I'm having?
[02:50] <gomez> madsen: is it a module compiled for your kernel version?
[02:50] <madsen> gomez: Yup
[02:50] <scizzo> gomez: sounds like a broken X server
[02:50] <madsen> gomez: Compiled against the headers of my current kernel.
[02:50] <scizzo> gomez: you should check the config
[02:51] <gomez> scizzo: yeah, I'm not sure how Xorg differs and so what I'll need to modify
[02:51] <madsen> Sorry, it's "unknown symbol".
[02:51] <scizzo> gomez: if you are using xserver-xorg you should look to see if there is a /etc/X11/xorg.conf or if you are using XFree86 check the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:52] <scizzo> gomez: dpkg -l | grep xserver-
[02:52] <da_bon_bon> hey all.
[02:52] <FuNgEx> madsen: in case i need to unistall it should be dpkg -?
[02:52] <scizzo> gomez: find out if you have xserver-xorg or if you are still using xserver-xfree86
[02:52] <madsen> gomez: I solved "unknown symbol vfs_permission" by replacing 'vfs_permission' with 'generic_permission' in the source... But I can't find any calls to any of the new "unknown symbols" in the source. :/
[02:52] <madsen> FuNgEx: dpkg --purge   if I recall correct.
[02:53] <scizzo> madsen: that doesn't really uninstall
[02:53] <ZzeCoOl> Guys i want to ask you something (first i want to tell you that i love linux) :) and now listen we all some day say That m$ sucks and have bugs and crashes and blah blah unstable etc.I think the same and more happen to linux every day ......
[02:53] <scizzo> its better to do apt-get remove package
[02:53] <madsen> scizzo: That leaves the conf-files...
[02:53] <madsen> apt-get remove --purge
[02:53] <scizzo> if you want to purge everything (remove configs etc) apt-get remove --purge package
[02:53] <madsen> yeah! :)
[02:54] <FuNgEx> scizzo: to install can i use apt-get also?
[02:54] <gomez> scizzo: it's xorg
[02:54] <scizzo> FuNgEx: apt-get install
[02:54] <scizzo> FuNgEx: man apt-get
[02:54] <madsen> FuNgEx: Not on a local .deb file
[02:54] <ZzeCoOl> the only sure is that if you setup something properly in linux ....it gonna work maybe for years
[02:54] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[02:54] <madsen> scizzo: He's installing skype from RPM converted with alien. :)
[02:55] <cafeina> hello
[02:55] <FuNgEx> ok
[02:55] <madsen> ZzeCoOl: Well, the point is that everything crashes if you don't configure it properly... Linux just let's you actually configure things properly...
[02:55] <eruin> anyone know the status of coaster in ubuntu?
[02:55] <scizzo> then he needs dpkg to do the work
[02:55] <cafeina> anybody knows if it'spossible to install lilo as boot manager for ubuntu ?
[02:55] <eruin> I see the src deb, but anctiously awaiting a binary one
[02:55] <eruin> x'
[02:55] <madsen> scizzo: Yup, told him already. :)
[02:56] <gomez> madsen: I'm not too familiar with fuse - is it a patch to the mainline kernel or just a separate module or both? was the version of fuse you have verified to work with your kernel version?
[02:56] <madsen> gomez: It should work with 2.6.10, it's a separate module (File system in USErspace).
[02:56] <tungsten> housetier thanks epson c82 works perfectly
[02:57] <madsen> gomez: I've got it working on a 2.6.8 kernel in debian...
[02:58] <gomez> madsen: well, modules are in kernel space - I just was wondering if fuse included a patch to other sources in-tree...
[02:58] <scizzo> madsen: but then he just needs to do: dpkg -r -P package
[02:58] <scizzo> :)
[02:58] <Shimonn> it's the second time i install ubuntu, my ethernet card still not work. it works without problems with the live CD
[02:58] <FuNgEx> scizzo: what is that
[02:58] <FuNgEx> ?
[02:58] <scizzo> -r = remove
[02:58] <scizzo> -P = purge
[02:59] <scizzo> for removing the package
[02:59] <FuNgEx> Skype uses qt :(
[02:59] <FuNgEx> i will install it
[03:00] <eruin> skype is hyped
[03:00] <BockBilbo> whats that eruin
[03:00] <BockBilbo> ?
[03:01] <Shimonn> my network doesn't work with ubuntu 4.10. what to do ?
[03:01] <eruin> BockBilbo: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hype
[03:01] <shmoolik> is there any tarzip gui program ?
[03:02] <BockBilbo> hehe
[03:02] <BockBilbo> lol
[03:02] <cafeina> Shimonn : tried ifconfig eth0 ?
[03:02] <brianm> hi all, anyone managed to get ubuntu booting off of an external usb drive for a powerbook?
[03:02] <cafeina> what do you get ?
[03:02] <Shimonn> yes
[03:02] <Shimonn> i just installed ubuntu for the second time
[03:02] <BockBilbo> Shimonn, dhclient eth0 ??
[03:03] <cafeina> Shimonn, did you set default route ?
[03:03] <madsen> gomez: Nope, no patch, no nothing...
[03:03] <Shimonn> ubuntu does not receive the DHCP sever's answer
[03:03] <BockBilbo> mm thats wierd
[03:03] <eruin> shmoolik: file-roller ?
[03:03] <BockBilbo> Shimonn it worked perfect for me ...
[03:03] <gomez> madsen: you're using the fuse-source package?
[03:03] <tritium> How can I get the gnome-cups-manager to see the printers available over the network?  My DHCP server provides WINS servers, and samba-common is configured to use them.
[03:03] <shmoolik> eruin,  thanks
[03:04] <madsen> gomez: Nope, tried that, didn't work, but the latest sources doesn't either. :/
[03:04] <Shimonn> i posted my problem here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9860
[03:04] <BockBilbo> is it possible to add applications to the appplication menu in Hoary???
[03:04] <gomez> madsen: could even be a bug - maybe a compiler mismatch (?)
[03:05] <madsen> gomez: Hmm, would that give 'unknown symbol'?
[03:05] <maja> who can help me with setting up my fresh system?
[03:05] <madsen> gomez: I mean, the first "unknown symbol" problem was solved by altering the source.
[03:05] <gomez> madsen: try googling for it (then with 'fuse' too)...
[03:06] <madsen> gomez: Already tried... Absolutely nothing at all...
[03:06] <Shimonn> with DHCP, ARP or anything, my Ubuntu can send requests, but never receive the answer
[03:06] <madsen> gomez: googling solved the first problem, but the 3 latter it returns nothing on.
[03:06] <gomez> madsen: maybe you're the first to notice!
[03:06] <maja> hello! anyone?
[03:07] <gomez> madsen: you're just too bleeding edge
[03:07] <madsen> gomez: lol!
[03:07] <gomez> maja: what needs setting up in particular?
[03:07] <madsen> gomez: Well, I guess it should be solvable, but I just don't know how... I'm not a kernel-hacker... Unfortunately...
[03:07] <maja> gomez: (shh) i want to install that other de
[03:08] <madsen> maja: WHAT? KDE? :-p
[03:08] <gomez> maja: just ask... I have no experience myself. Have you checked the forums or wiki?
[03:09] <kensai> I need help. I use warty and the internet conecction works just fine but I upgraded to hoary and it killed my internet conection just once more. When Ubuntu is booting and says Synchronizing Clock is says temporaly failiure in name resoulution. What can this be?
[03:09] <maja> madsen: :-$
[03:09] <maja> gomez: no...
[03:10] <madsen> maja: 'apt-get install kde' doesn't work?
[03:10] <gomez> maja: I'm sure it's well documented - heck, there's even talk of kubuntu
[03:10] <Shimonn> Is Ubuntu's kernel buggy ? why could my ethernet card work with Ubuntu LiveCD but not Ubuntu 4.10 ? could using 'testing' solve the problem ?
[03:10] <BockBilbo> gomez, do you use hoary?
[03:10] <gomez> BockBilbo: trying to
[03:10] <BockBilbo> mmm
[03:10] <gomez> BockBilbo: X won't start
[03:10] <BockBilbo> oh... :s
[03:10] <tritium> anybody have gnome-cups-manager detecting network printers?
[03:11] <madsen> gomez: I had that problem too... But I can't remember what solved it. Sorry.
[03:11] <BockBilbo> tritium, is it supposed to detect them?
[03:12] <tritium> BockBilbo, it should...
[03:12] <tritium> My debian unstable system did.
[03:12] <BockBilbo> mm
[03:12] <BockBilbo> ok.. hold on
[03:12] <BockBilbo> ill tel you if mine does
[03:12] <BockBilbo> brb
[03:13] <maja> hey!!! i dont know my root pass!!!
[03:13] <maja> what the?
[03:13] <gomez> maja: there is none
[03:13] <maja> how can i get it?
[03:13] <gomez> maja: sudo is your friend
[03:14] <gomez> maja: `sudo root-command` && type YOUR password
[03:14] <madsen> maja: Or "sudo -s -H" to open somthing not unlike "su -". :)
[03:15] <FuNgEx> For everyone: thx you... skype working
[03:15] <madsen> maja: And still, YOUR passwd.
[03:15] <madsen> FuNgEx: Great! :)
[03:15] <maja> but i want a root pass
[03:15] <maja> and anyone can do that???
[03:15] <Pluk> sudo passwd
[03:16] <Pluk> that way you can set the root passsword
[03:16] <maja> thnx
[03:17] <madsen> maja: Only users listed in /etc/sudoers can sudo to root... By default it's only the account you created during install.
[03:18] <madsen> Hah! Fuse 2 works!!! :) :) :)
[03:18] <gomez> maja: avoid using root
[03:18] <BockBilbo> tritium, it does not detect it
[03:18] <BockBilbo> :S
[03:18] <gomez> madsen: congrats!
[03:18] <maja> thats better...
[03:18] <madsen> gomez: Thanks :)
[03:19] <tritium> BockBilbo, thanks for checking
[03:19] <Pluk> just dont irc with root :P
[03:19] <madsen> maja: Only use root when it's absolutely needed... If you can avoid using it, do that.
[03:19] <BockBilbo> i tried to configure it manually
[03:19] <tritium> What kind of network printer do you have?
[03:19] <maja> gomez: i know... thanks
[03:20] <BockBilbo> wow.... hold on... i dont have a ntwork printer, i have a printer in a remote host
[03:20] <gomez> heh! /etc/X11/X is pointing to /bin/true!
[03:20] <tritium> ok
[03:20] <madsen> gomez: Lol! Great! Fuse2 isn't compatible with siefs, so I actually can't use it. :/ :(
[03:21] <madsen> gomez: Heh, guess you got your X now. :)
[03:21] <madsen> Hi Cloudchaser! :)
[03:21] <Cloudchaser> hiya
[03:21] <gomez> madsen: not yet. rather than just change the symlink, I'd like to know why...
[03:21] <pera> is it possible to dowload a beta ubuntu release?
[03:22] <Cloudchaser> fancy meeting you here :)
[03:22] <madsen> gomez: Hehe, I see. :)
[03:22] <madsen> Cloudchaser: :) I'm on Ubuntu atm... Trying to make it work with my phone, so I won't have to install Windows. *brr*
[03:22] <BockBilbo> tritium, do you know how to add app shortcuts to the application menu in hoary?
[03:22] <Cloudchaser> ah good luck!
[03:22] <madsen> Cloudchaser: I didn't know you were into Ubuntu.
[03:22] <madsen> Cloudchaser: Thanks :)
[03:22] <Cloudchaser> i installed it a few weeks or so ago
[03:23] <madsen> Cloudchaser: What do you think of it?
[03:23] <Cloudchaser> i like it for the most part
[03:23] <Cloudchaser> few things are a little wonky i think but mostly its good
[03:23] <madsen> Cloudchaser: Hehe, /me too... Some things just aren't right ... yet, but it'll get there eventually.
[03:24] <pera> hi all, do you know if it's possible to install ubuntu over a nvidia RAID system (nforce4)
[03:25] <cetanhota> redhat fedora user here. switching to ubuntu. a bit of a learning curve, but worth it so far. I like what I have see todate.
[03:26] <gomez> yeah, seems residual config from xserver-xfree86 prevents xserver-xorg from seizing control...
[03:27] <daniels> that bug's weird, and I haven't figured out how to trigger it or why it happens yet
[03:27] <daniels> if there's nothing left, xorg should seize ownership
[03:27] <daniels> if xfree86 purges and xorg is installed, it should hand over to xorg
[03:28] <daniels> then again, those scripts are gargantuan and obtuse, so mere mortals have no hope of ever understanding how or why they work/don't work
[03:29] <gomez> daniels: heh :)
[03:29] <tritium> BockBilbo, no, I haven't yet tried...
[03:30] <gomez> daniels: also, might be a silly question, but why is my desktop having refresh issues? is it a composite manager thing or something?
[03:30] <daniels> gomez: define 'refresh issues'
[03:31] <Tsjoklat> having red X's for icons.. which folder in do you remove to fix this?
[03:31] <gomez> daniels: bakcground present but nautilus icons missing until mouse over
[03:31] <daniels> gomez: ugh.  what chipset?
[03:31] <gomez> daniels: also, everything is slow as hell
[03:31] <daniels> (please don't say 'i810')
[03:31] <daniels> if you're running composite, this *will* happen.
[03:32] <gomez> daniels: TNT... also using 'nvidia' driver (don't hurt me!)
[03:32] <ycco> I've got a printer setup downstairs on my desktop, and I'd like to be able to print to it from my laptop.  How could I accomplish this?  (I know I need to setup that printer to be a network printer but I don'tknow how).  I searched the wiki but couldn't find anything useful.
[03:33] <bob2> composite made my system slow!1
[03:33] <gomez> daniels: as this is my first exposure to xorg, I'm not really aware of all the issues - I've read about a few but of course they didn't mean much to me at the time...
[03:33] <gomez> daniels: disabling composite?
[03:34] <globetek> xorg ?
[03:34] <madsen> gomez: Unless you want drop-shadows and alpha-blending.
[03:34] <globetek> it's possible to use xorg in ubuntu?
[03:34] <madsen> globetek: It's standard in Hoary
[03:34] <pera> I've read of conflicts between rivafb and nvidia driver...
[03:35] <daniels> gomez: composite is disabled by default
[03:35] <pera> mayne it's this...
[03:36] <gomez> daniels: I thought I remembered reading that. 'nv' works well btw
[03:36] <HostingGeek> <-- Shimonn (~Odile@ALyon-209-1-10-240.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr) has left #ubuntu IMPOSTER i am hanting after him
[03:36] <gomez> daniels: (not surprisingly)
[03:36] <ycco> :/
[03:39] <daniels> gomez: heh, i blame the nvidia driver, then
[03:39] <gomez> daniels: also, thanks for all your hard work
[03:39] <gomez> daniels: hoary is looking very nice
[03:39] <daniels> HostingGeek: two people can conceivably have the same name -- remember how we talked about you calming down and tryong to *constructively* contribute?  i don't see that.
[03:39] <sid77> hi
[03:39] <daniels> gomez: thanks a lot :) hoary is mostly done by Keybuk, it seems
[03:40] <BockBilbo> wel. bye!!!
[03:40] <BockBilbo> thanks all
[03:40] <bob2> haha
[03:47] <hezekiah> I'm having trouble with bitmap fonts in Hoary... all bitmap fonts (LucidaTypewriter and Terminus are the two I care about at the moment) are displayed in bold, even when they are set to normal
[03:47] <zAo^> how do I change my MSN nick in Gaim (1.1.1) ?
[03:47] <tritium> I found it on the forums: changing the "Browsing" option from "Off" to "On" in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf enabled auto-detection of network printers!
[03:50] <DaNewB> zAo^, in the Buddy List window, Tools->Account Actions->Set Friendly Name
[03:50] <DaNewB> zAo^, if that's what you mean
[03:51] <zAo^> thanks you very much DaNewB
[03:51] <DaNewB> zAo^, np :)
[03:51] <felixdz> I am having problems getting my webcam going...
[03:53] <TheWeeg> Hi all.  I'm having a minor problem.  I just added a printer in gnome with the gnome-cups-add dialog, and it is printing fine, but there are two problems:  The mouse starts sputtering and moving around in a slow and jerky fashion while anything is on the print queue, and in addition, the print queue is never cleared out after a job is finished.  Jobs just sit there until they are manually deleted.
[03:53] <felixdz> I am trying to install qc-usb but get this error: make: *** [qc-driver.o]  Error 1
[03:59] <zAo^> # apt-cache search qc-usb
[04:03] <felixdz> Found and installed qc-usb-source qc-usb-utils
[04:04] <guugmember> Does the installation of ubuntu includes kernel tools?
[04:05] <tritium> guugmember, what kind of tools do you mean?
[04:05] <felixdz> How do I use these packages?
[04:06] <tritium> felixdz, did you read the docs that came with them?
[04:06] <guugmember> tritium, the tools that RH displays in their installation
[04:06] <tritium> guugmember, which are those?
[04:07] <tritium> felixdz, look in /usr/share/doc/<package-name>
[04:07] <Kirsch> hey guys, where is the network-admin settings stored?
[04:07] <Kirsch> the extra profiles?
[04:07] <felixdz> Thanks I'll write that down
[04:07] <tritium> felixdz, dpkg -L <package-name> lists all the files in a package.  You'll see that most have documentation in /usr/share/doc
[04:08] <FuNgEx> Can't wait to have hoary in my hands (computer)
[04:08] <FuNgEx> :D
[04:08] <tritium> in other cases, documentation is a separate package (e.g. grub-doc)
[04:09] <pusling> what is the minimun cpu for a realistic warty installation? 500 mzh ?
[04:10] <Kirsch> pusling: probably
[04:11] <cetanhota> have warty on a PII 400Mhz laptop. Not to bad performance
[04:14] <FuNgEx> I'm going to stick with this distro for quite a time
[04:15] <Kirsch> yea, its great
[04:15] <FuNgEx> First Experience First Love :d
[04:15] <Kirsch> been using it for 2months now...
[04:15] <FuNgEx> been using it for 2 days
[04:15] <Kirsch> its good heh
[04:15] <FuNgEx> could not find nothing that i could not do.... yet
[04:15] <DaNewB> hey, is there a way (logs?) to find out how long i've been using Ubuntu?
[04:15] <Kirsch> yet... there are small things that i have pet peeves about... but i don't think its ubuntu's problem
[04:15] <DaNewB> Kirsch, there is always small things...
[04:16] <FuNgEx> for developing with mono and so on
[04:16] <Kirsch> Yea...
[04:16] <felixdz> I am now running ./quickcam.sh...
[04:16] <FuNgEx> i'm having quite a good time
[04:16] <Kirsch> i hate network-admin
[04:16] <pusling> cetanhota: how much ram du you have in that laptop?
[04:16] <DaNewB> FuNgEx, mono is in backports
[04:16] <FuNgEx> yes i know
[04:17] <felixdz> I get this error....awk: cannot open /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build/include/linux/version.h (No such file or directory)
[04:17] <cetanhota> pusling, 228Mb
[04:17] <FuNgEx> No error though
[04:17] <pusling> cetanhota: funny amount ..
[04:17] <FuNgEx> DaNewB: I want to install KDevelop, do you adise it?
[04:17] <FuNgEx> advise
[04:18] <cetanhota> pulsing, its an older compaq. I may be wrong on the amount, but its not 256Mb I could pull it out to get the exact if you ned.
[04:18] <pusling> cetanhota: not that important. Just planning a ubuntu-install-party and will write the minimum requirements in the invitation
[04:19] <DaNewB> FuNgEx, never used Kdevelop... it seems quite powerfull
[04:19] <cetanhota> got ya.
[04:19] <Freduardo> cetanhota, probably because a small part of it is shared video memory or something like that
[04:19] <pusling> cetanhota: but 128 or 196 or 256 would seem more realistic ;)
[04:19] <Freduardo> so in fact you do have 256
[04:20] <cetanhota> you know I never thought about the shared video ram. man I am out of it sometimes.
[04:21] <FuNgEx> DaNewB: i mean
[04:21] <Freduardo> heh, for a long time I believed I had a "special" amount of ram too
[04:21] <Kirsch> lol "special"??
[04:21] <FuNgEx> being ubuntu gnome based, can i install kdevelop without messing or installing many unwanted things into my system?
[04:21] <Freduardo> then a friend of mine explaind it to me
[04:22] <DaNewB> FuNgEx, I think it will install a lot of KDE specific libs..
[04:22] <DaNewB> FuNgEx, but messing your system?
[04:22] <tritium> FuNgEx, try apt-get install kdevelop -s (simulate only) to find out
[04:23] <felixdz> Where is the kernel-source in ubuntu?
[04:23] <Freduardo> I've installed k3b without any problems
[04:23] <srid> where is the bot here?
[04:23] <srid> like dpkg
[04:23] <Freduardo> had to make a launcher though
[04:23] <srid> ok, is there any good k3b alternative? just to keep off from kde's
[04:23] <pusling> FuNgEx: try apt-get install kdevelop - you can always answer no if it will install too many packages ;)
[04:24] <pusling> kde is kool ;)
[04:24] <tritium> (or use the -s switch to simply simulate what it would do without actually doing it)
[04:24] <srid> kde is a krap ;)
[04:24] <hezekiah> FuNgEx: Sorry if you've already had this mentioned, but have you tried Anjuta?  If you're interested in sticky with GTK/Gnome stuff, I actually prefer Anjuta to KDevelop
[04:24] <felixdz> srid I've used xcdroast in the past. Bit dated now though
[04:24] <srid> yes, anjuta+glade
[04:25] <DaNewB> srid, nautilus can burn data CD/DVDs very well
[04:25] <srid> felixdz, xcdroast is getting stuck in the middle of startup
[04:25] <srid> 'in reading cds'
[04:25] <srid> DagaZ, problem is nautilus is showing 4x as max speed for my 52x cdwriter
[04:25] <srid> otherwise i would use nautilus
[04:25] <felixdz> Never had any trouble with it.
[04:25] <srid> and it misses multisession burning too
[04:26] <srid> felixdz, in ubuntu wiki there is a mention of new gnome cdwriting app (not coaster)
[04:26] <Freduardo> srid,  read something about a program called "mister burns" on the ubuntu forums
[04:26] <Freduardo> haven't tried it out though
[04:26] <DaNewB> srid, there is something called cdrtoaster or gtoaster (i dont know how good it is)
[04:27] <Tsjoklat> gnomebaker
[04:27] <srid> yes
[04:27] <srid> i would love to see a .deb for that
[04:30] <FuNgEx> DaNewB: Know where to get info about udev?
[04:30] <t31> hi everyone again me :) under ubuntu, got a problem :P i cant see the rest of my partitions
[04:31] <t31> only the ubuntu main one and as /
[04:31] <bretzel> t31: sudo fdisk -l  ??
[04:31] <t31> the partitions r ok i was under xp a minute ago
[04:31] <Freduardo> probably have to add them in /etc/fstab
[04:32] <t31> mm sorry im completely newbie, how can i do it Freduardo?
[04:32] <froust> sudo vi /etc/fstab
[04:32] <Freduardo> open an terminal window
[04:32] <froust> then hit insert to add text
[04:32] <froust> then :wq to save and quit
[04:32] <t31> done
[04:33] <t31> but what i have to write, nothing?
[04:33] <bretzel> t31: what partitions are missing that u were used to see ?
[04:33] <srid> t31, u can also use 'gedit' instead of 'vi'
[04:33] <DaNewB> FuNgEx, not really
[04:34] <srid> or 'cream'
[04:34] <Freduardo> you want to see your windows partition?
[04:34] <t31> i got this
[04:34] <t31> #
[04:34] <t31> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[04:34] <t31> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[04:34] <t31> /dev/hda5       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[04:34] <t31> /dev/hda7       none            swap    sw              0       0
[04:34] <DaNewB> srid, burning audio cds with command-line tools is easy
[04:34] <t31> /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[04:34] <t31> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[04:34] <t31> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[04:34] <t31> sorry for add all
[04:35] <t31> :P
[04:35] <froust> mmmm... fstab
[04:35] <bretzel> t31: like Freduardo said: you want to see your Windos disk ?
[04:35] <t31> yeap
[04:35] <DaNewB> srid, check this page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AudioCDCreation
[04:36] <bretzel> t31: try fdisk -l in the terminal window
[04:36] <t31> in a sg
[04:36] <bretzel> sudo fdisk -l
[04:36] <t31> yes everything is there, and now?
[04:37] <bretzel> t31: You want what fdisk listed /dev/hd? near the end the type is vfat or ntfs/hpfs
[04:37] <kensai> can the hoary live cd be installed to HDD?
[04:37] <FuNgEx> hezekiah: I will try that
[04:38] <kensai> the one that gnoppix releases
[04:38] <FuNgEx> hezekiah: sorry for the late answer
[04:38] <bretzel> afk for 30 dec.
[04:38] <t31> one hpfs/ntfs and one fat32
[04:38] <FuNgEx> pusling: yeah kde is cool... but i prefer gnome
[04:39] <ACID|net> hey all, i know this might sound a silly question, but is there anyway to use my laptop as a screen for the mac mini??
[04:39] <DaNewB> kensai, no, you need the install CD
[04:39] <FuNgEx> hezekiah: my only problem is that, i have one project where everyone use suse and kdevelop
[04:39] <bretzel> t31: the beggining of line where fat32 is you should see "/dev/hdxy" where x is the letter hda if I read your fstab, and the y is the partition number
[04:39] <FuNgEx> hezekiah: changing would be problematic
[04:40] <pusling> ACID|net: how does the mac mini work ?
[04:40] <tritium> ACID|net, you could always run VNC on the macmini and a vncviewer on your laptop, and network them.
[04:40] <tritium> but that's probably not what you had in mind
[04:40] <t31> bretzel: my windows r hda1 xp and hda8 fat32
[04:41] <hezekiah> FuNgEx: Ah, I see.  I'm not sure how that would work out then, I don't know how easily you can move back and forth between the two.  They both use autotools for building and whatnot, but I think the default project structures are different.
[04:41] <ACID|net> tritium: the mac mini is just a normal pc, just sold without kvm
[04:41] <bretzel> t31: good now i think you don't have a directory where those partitions can be mounted: if it is that case you can "sudo mkdir /mnt/xpfs /mnt/xpfat32" the dir name are suggestions ...
[04:42] <tritium> ACID|net, I know.
[04:42] <FuNgEx> well the end interest is the code... but not messing with file formats and everything else would be swell
[04:42] <t31> bretzel: writting in a sg i tell you
[04:42] <ACID|net> tritium: i know i can get my laptop screen on another monitor, but can i have it in aswell?
[04:42] <bretzel> ? sg ? sorry dunno what you mean by "sg"
[04:43] <tritium> ACID|net, can you rephrase that?  I don't quite get what you're asking.
[04:43] <t31> bretzel: seconds :P im from spain :P it says cant create couse mnt already exists :P
[04:44] <hezekiah> FuNgEx: You should be able to edit the same code and such, but I don't know what kinds of problems could come up from having different build settings and other prefs.  Either way, good luck with it
[04:44] <t31> bretzel: hold a second, im reaaaaaally clumpsy
[04:45] <bretzel> t31 did you wrote: "mkdir /mnt/xpfs /mnt/xpfat32" ? indeed dir /mnt/ already exists, but I guest /mnt/xpfs don't
[04:45] <__learner__> I still don't know how to properly configure my refresh rate
[04:45] <FuNgEx> hezekiah: thx
[04:45] <t31> bretzel: done i missed one slash :P
[04:45] <bretzel> don't forget sudo before mkdir
[04:45] <bretzel> ok
[04:46] <froust> __learner__: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:46] <froust> (or replace xfree86 with xorg if you use xorg)
[04:46] <ACID|net> tritium: Well, i have a monitor port on my laptop, and i want to use it to display the mac
[04:46] <bretzel> do ls /mnt to see the two subdirs has been created
[04:47] <t31> bretzel: the both u told me, and only them
[04:47] <__learner__> froust: what that will do? I changed Xfree86 file and I could get 85hz, but my monitor supports more than 100.
[04:47] <bretzel> good
[04:47] <tritium> ACID|net, I don't know of a direct way to do that with the laptop not having a video connector, but as I mentioned earlier, you could use VNC.
[04:47] <__learner__> do you think that would solve the problem/
[04:47] <bretzel> now fire gedit: "sudo gedit /etc/fstab"
[04:47] <froust> learner- it's a nice program that will help you configure
[04:47] <tritium> It's not terribly fast, though.
[04:47] <bretzel> back in 10 seconds...
[04:47] <t31> bretzel: hit! :)
[04:48] <froust> you're runnun ubuntu right?
[04:48] <tritium> ACID|net, so set up a small network (even just a CAT-5 patch cable between the macmini and your laptop), and it would work.
[04:49] <bretzel> t31: you can position the cursor at the end of the file and enter -- wait
[04:49] <ACID|net> yeah might do that
[04:49] <ACID|net> and it will be quick?
[04:50] <bretzel> this line: /dev/hda1       /mnt/xpfs     ntfs    defaults,umask=0555 0  0
[04:50] <t31> bretzel: done
[04:50] <sandor> I have a question regarding wireless
[04:51] <brad-> Does the latest LiveCD have palm kernel modules and conduits for evolution 2 on it?
[04:51] <bretzel> and then this line below :    /dev/hdb8       /xp_share       vfat    defaults,users,dmask=000,fmask=111 0   0
[04:51] <bretzel> oops /dev/hda8       /xp_share       vfat    defaults,users,dmask=000,fmask=111 0   0
[04:51] <ycco> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#networkprinter   I've done this... (added my local network:  10.10.0.x )   and restarted cupsys    I tried to add the printer remotely and It didn't print.   I added it via the gnome printing tool.   ipp://10.10.0.7/
[04:51] <brad-> XP on a FAT partition eh
[04:51] <ycco> anyone have any ideas why it's not working?
[04:51] <brad-> that's an explosive combination
[04:51] <bretzel> arrrg!!!!! /dev/hdb8       /xpfat32       vfat    defaults,users,dmask=000,fmask=111 0   0   --- rather I took from mine :-0
[04:52] <tritium> ACID|net, not like connecting a monitor to a VGA or DVI port, but it will work.
[04:53] <bretzel> this line:::!!! /dev/hda8       /xpfat32       vfat    defaults,users,dmask=000,fmask=111 0   0
[04:53] <tritium> ACID|net, you're familiar with VNC?
[04:53] <bretzel> sorry t31, I messed up the text
[04:53] <ACID|net> yeah, but only over the internet - not on local
[04:53] <tritium> okay
[04:53] <t31> bretzel:dont worry, great u help me so much
[04:53] <sandor> my wireless was working, then deleted it cause my Ethernet net would not working and then I tried to add it and it  wont enable
[04:53] <t31> bretzel: i did it
[04:54] <bretzel> t21: WIAIT!!!!!  I mistaken you with wrong text!!!
[04:54] <tritium> I'd use a macmini with an HDTV
[04:54] <brad-> bretzel: Dude.
[04:54] <bretzel> please read and redo the lines:
[04:54] <bretzel> hahahaha!
[04:54] <t31> bretzel: ok ok :)
[04:55] <t31> bretzel by the way tell me as well how to get the other linux partition here couse this is chinese for me now :P
[04:55] <ACID|net> i dont know weather i should buy an mac mini or an imac (at uni, dont really want to keep taking monitors home but could do it)
[04:55] <bretzel> t31: /dev/hda1    /mnt/xpfs    ntfs   defaults,umask=0555 0  0  --- for the first line
[04:55] <ACID|net> only got laptop here atm
[04:55] <tritium> macmini is tempting for the price
[04:55] <ACID|net> i really dont know what i should do,  i can afford both - its just the roon
[04:56] <bretzel> and then /dev/hda8    /mnt/xpfat32 vfat defaults,users,dmask=000,fmask=111 0   0     --- for the scond line :-) :-) sorry
[04:56] <t31> bretzel: that one is like u said, done
[04:56] <ACID|net> gettign a new TFT For my room back home tho so i could use the mini at home on a proper monitor with bluetooth keyboard, and vnc when at uni maybe
[04:56] <tritium> ACID|net, do you have a decent TV?  You could display at least 640x480 on a TV
[04:56] <t31> bretzel: got it
[04:56] <daniels> ntsc specifies 640x480 and pal 800x600, iirc
[04:57] <ACID|net> tritium: I have a 15" PAL
[04:57] <sandor> any one have any ideas on what to do to get my wireless to work I know the router is working other comps are conected
[04:57] <bretzel> save the file and go back to the console window, then type : sudo mount -a
[04:57] <tritium> ACID|net, then, I think daniels is correct that you could get 800x600
[04:58] <t31> bretzel: mount: mount point /xpfat32 does not exist and says i have no permisions to see xpfs
[04:59] <ACID|net> thats not bad
[04:59] <t31> bretzel: now i have an icon with the xp partition but says cant mount
[04:59] <bretzel> that is the errornous line I gave the first time to you :-(
[04:59] <ACID|net> i like the idea of using vnc at uni and TFT + bluetooth at home
[04:59] <t31> bretzel: x(
[04:59] <lonewolff> hi there does anyone know why ubuntu would change my resolv.conf to the info broadcast by our dhcp server even though i have told the ubuntu machine to use a static ip and set up dns on it?
[04:59] <lonewolff> it is REALLY annoying it keeps changing my resolv.conf so i cant get online
[05:00] <t31> hold on a sg i roll back in the irc screen and try to remake it all
[05:00] <bretzel> the right text in /etc/fstab must be: /dev/hda8 /mnt/xpfat32 vfat defaults,users,dmask=000,fmask=111 0   0 --- for the fat32 partition
[05:00] <tritium> lonewolff, probably resolvconf is doing that
[05:01] <t31> bretzel: corrected :)
[05:01] <lonewolff> i dont have resolvconf installed (unless ubuntu installed it during install)
[05:01] <t31> bretzel: i can see the fat32 one
[05:01] <tritium> lonewolff, I think it's installed by default.
[05:02] <bretzel> tri31: it is my fault :-)  ok for the ntfs partition -- me too I can't read the partition as a user - only as root, maybe someone can tell what attr should be given in fstab ?
[05:02] <tritium> lonewolff, dpkg -l resolvconf would tell you
[05:02] <sandor> my wireless was working, then deleted it cause my Ethernet net would not working and then I tried to add it and it  wont enable
[05:02] <t31> bretzel:np i will find out, could u help me with the knoppix one? if it isnt to ask for too much O:)
[05:02] <lonewolff> tritium: ah ic it is installed
[05:03] <lonewolff> apt-get remove resolvconf ?
[05:03] <Freduardo> t31, bretzel: what line did you put in fstab?
[05:03] <Freduardo> for the ntfs I mean
[05:03] <bretzel> t31: you can the fat32, and you should be able to write on it also : -)  - for the ntfs partition, it is not yet possible to write on it. but  --- Freduardo:
[05:03] <t31> /dev/hda1       /mnt/xpfs       ntfs    defaults,umask=0555 0   0
[05:03] <t31> freduardo:/dev/hda1       /mnt/xpfs       ntfs    defaults,umask=0555 0   0
[05:04] <bretzel> Freduardo:  defaults,umask=0555 0  0
[05:04] <tritium> lonewolff, well, you could try it, I guess.
[05:04] <Freduardo> hmm, ive got : ro,user,umask=0222
[05:04] <tritium> lonewolff, use the "-s" option to simulate it first
[05:04] <bretzel> hehehe: t31: what do you need to know about  knoppix ?
[05:04] <tritium> and see what it's going to do
[05:04] <Freduardo> seems to work fine as user here
[05:05] <bretzel> Freduardo: Not for me too can read ntfs as user ...
[05:05] <lonewolff> hmmm it says resolvconf is not installed when i try to remove it
[05:05] <lonewolff> and if i try to install resolvconf i says its not available
[05:05] <tritium> ?
[05:05] <tritium> strange
[05:05] <t31> freduardo:got it
[05:06] <lonewolff> Package resolvconf is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:06] <lonewolff> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:06] <lonewolff> is only available from another source
[05:06] <lonewolff> E: Package resolvconf has no installation candidate
[05:06] <t31> bretzel: i have a partition with that distro but i quitted, it is a mess! :P
[05:06] <t31> bretzel,  freduardo: now sudo mount -a again?
[05:06] <tritium> lonewolff, your network interface in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't have "dhcp" specified anywhere?
[05:07] <lonewolff> nope
[05:07] <bretzel> t31: no sudo umount /mnt/xpfs; mount -a
[05:07] <lonewolff> both wireless and wifi use fixed ip addresses
[05:07] <tritium> resolvconf is only supposed to change resolv.conf if dhcp is used anyway
[05:08] <tritium> that's strange
[05:08] <bretzel> t31: the partition with screwed knoppix: what do you want to do with that partition ?
[05:08] <t31> bretzel: cant mount :( /dev/hda1       /mnt/xpfs       ntfs    defaults,ro,user,umask=0222 0   0
[05:08] <lonewolff>         # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed
[05:08] <lonewolff>         dns-nameservers 217.36.23.33
[05:08] <lonewolff>         dns-search gateway.2wire.net
[05:08] <lonewolff>         name Ethernet LAN card
[05:09] <lonewolff>  of the entries (wired lan card) but not under the wireless lan card
[05:09] <bretzel> sudo mount /mnt/xpfs ?
[05:09] <t31> bretzel: sorry that the line i wrote in fstab, the knoppix partition, just to see it
[05:09] <bretzel> maybe sudo is required before each commands :-)
[05:10] <tritium> lonewolff, don't know...
[05:10] <t31> bretzel:  sudo mount /mnt/xpfs
[05:10] <t31> mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt/xpfs busy
[05:10] <t31> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda1 is already mounted on /mnt/xpfs
[05:10] <randabis> heh
[05:10] <bretzel> t31: you want to see and use the knoppix partition, with no more trace of that knoppix stuff ?
[05:11] <t31> bretzel:if its help the xp partition is showed as a floppy icon
[05:11] <bretzel> t31: for ntfs: ok just redo : sudo umount /mnt/xpfs
[05:11] <SethKinast> speaking of partitions, is there any tool on the knoppix live CD that can merge two NTFS partitions with data on them?
[05:11] <t31> bretzel: yeap done
[05:11] <lonewolff> right i added that under the wireless lan card so ill see if that helps
[05:11] <bretzel> t31: then : sudo mount /mnt/xpfs
[05:11] <t31> bretzel: hehe i did
[05:11] <bretzel> hehehe: is it ok now ?
[05:12] <t31> bretzel: quick ah? :)
[05:12] <bretzel> t31: yep! :-)
[05:12] <t31> bretzel i can see the magical win#@$@#$@#$@#$ partition ntfs :)
[05:12] <tritium> lonewolff, good luck.  I need to get going.  Be back in about an hour.
[05:12] <bretzel> hahaha! as a user ?:-)
[05:12] <t31> bretzel: yes :)
[05:13] <t31> bretzel: if u r not too tired of me we could try the knoppix one O:)
[05:13] <t31> bretzel: i feel nice out of windows :)
[05:14] <t31> bretzel: i feel like a child learning how to write :P
[05:14] <bretzel> t31: for the knoppix partition: if you intent to use that partition as a linux partition ( which is already is ), then you need to do the same thing in /dev/fstab but the type of that partition you will get it by : sudo fdisk -l --- >
[05:14] <randabis> lol
[05:14] <randabis> windows free's the way to be!
[05:14] <t31> bretzel: a "sg" lol :)
[05:15] <bretzel> t31: really pleased! it is a joy to see happy linux  users :-)
[05:15] <MM2> is rescue mode = 1 user mode
[05:16] <bretzel> t31: Then, you want to use the knoppix partition ?
[05:16] <t31> bretzel: /dev/hda6       /mnt/knoppix    ext3    defaults,errors=remount -ro 0 this should be the line?
[05:17] <froust> man ps
[05:17] <froust> hehe... wrong window
[05:18] <bretzel> t31: No, half way done but What I want you to do first is: sudo fdisk -l --- and check the number of the partition type: ( should be 83 for hda6)
[05:19] <t31> bretzel: i did fdisk -l, says /dev/hda6 and yes Id 83
[05:19] <t31> bretzel: i already did sudo mkdir /mnt/knoppix
[05:20] <bretzel> t31: ok , I need to know what usage you want to do with it: wipe out the knoppix data ?
[05:21] <bretzel> t31: and use it for extra disk space for ubuntu ?
[05:21] <t31> bretzel: i dont need the space right now so i want to leave for "experiments" i have a randr error there after half installation of ati driver and a mess jailed in res 640x480
[05:22] <Cloudchaser> hmm
[05:22] <t31> bretzel:but yes in the future i will use it like that, maybe to move the home folder there or just try any other distro
[05:22] <bretzel> t31: you keep knoppix data then, that is good because less work todo :-)
[05:22] <t31> bretzel: :) got workholic with linux anyway :) but u r right :)
[05:23] <t31> bretzel: mainly with apt-get :)
[05:23] <bretzel> t31: fire gedit: sudo gedit /etc/fstab: and if you want to protect the data: no writes to that partition then /dev/hda6       /mnt/knoppix    ext3    defaults,errors=remount -ro 0 is perfect :-)
[05:24] <t31> bretzel: and if i want to write and erase as well?
[05:25] <t31> bretzel:couse is bigger partition maybe just to store or something like that
[05:25] <t31> bretzel:storage, sorry
[05:26] <bretzel> t31: change defauts,-ro to "defaults,user       0       0" -- in fstab :-)
[05:27] <ACID|net> does anyone know if mac os x comes with remote desktop already installed and working??
[05:27] <bretzel> I am not fstab guru, but I think if I read mine it is ok :-)
[05:27] <Keybuk> ACID|net: it depends what you mean.  Do you want to login to your machine remotely, or manipulate an already-logged-in desktop remotely?
[05:27] <trukulo> anyone experiencing problems using pop3 in thunderbird with warty?
[05:27] <gray-lizzard> hello there
[05:27] <t31> bretzel: oki :) now sudo mount /mnt/knoppix?
[05:28] <bretzel> t31: yep! ( let see if it works :-) )
[05:28] <t31> bretzel: lets see, i cant see.. now i try write and erase
[05:29] <DaNewB> gray-lizzard, hi :)
[05:29] <Keybuk> ACID|net: the first you configure through the Login Screen Setup dialog (enable TCP connections and XDMCP, from another machine you Xnest -query hostname to get the remote machine's login screen)
[05:29] <Keybuk> ACID|net: the second you configure through the Remote Desktop Preferences dialog
[05:29] <bretzel> t31: not sure rigth of the box if that partition is writeable for users: you need to change permissions on /mnt/knoppix :-) :-)
[05:29] <Keybuk> (and you access through vncviewer)
[05:30] <t31> bretzel: i made a folder and erased, just couldnt move to trash and i had to erase at all
[05:30] <sid77> bye everyone
[05:30] <gray-lizzard> is it possible to have mc in warthy ?
[05:30] <bretzel> t31: Enter the unix/linux fs access world! :-)
[05:30] <gray-lizzard> bye sid77
[05:31] <t31> bretzel: right, and i think im staying for looooooong time, no more palladiums or things like that :)
[05:31] <DaNewB> gray-lizzard, you mean Midnight Commander? yes, think so
[05:32] <bretzel> t31:if you want to take time to read docs for: chown; chmod commands, you will learn how to give access for users on each fs units such as regular files and (sub/)dirs ...
[05:33] <t31> bretzel: yeap i have to
[05:34] <bretzel> t31: chown command ( " Change Owner" ) is for ... give a file/or directory to a given user as the owner of that object
[05:34] <gray-lizzard> thnx danewb couldnt find it with dselect ....
[05:34] <t31> bretzel: but now war against rythmbox and totem, they dont play nothing :P and my gf thinks computer is for music and movies just that
[05:34] <gray-lizzard> when u log in without an x runnin meaning a normal terminal how u can do su commands ?
[05:35] <gray-lizzard> if i type su it askes for an passwd ....  ive never typed a root passwd ..:s
[05:35] <t31> bretzel: i think ive been using it with the knoppix couple of days ago, i had a problem running some driver
[05:35] <hezekiah> gray-lizzard: sudo foo
[05:35] <bretzel> t31: I've got great help here about multimedia :-) ( thanks to bob2; randabis; and other I forgot - sorry :-) )
[05:35] <t31> bretzel: i had to do chown +x
[05:35] <gray-lizzard> thnx hezekiah
[05:35] <hezekiah> gray-lizzard: or 'sudo -s' to get to a root prompt.  np
[05:35] <globetek> anyone here prefer compiling progs instead of using packages?
[05:36] <t31> bretzel:im thinking to install vlc
[05:36] <t31> bretzel:it works really fine
[05:37] <globetek> i'm undecided on my review of ubuntu....it's much better than the redhat/mandrake stuff
[05:37] <ACID|net> Keybuk: Well im going to get this mac mini and i wont have a spare monitor so i wanted to do it remotely
[05:37] <bretzel> t31:  yop vlc and all others: gxine;xine;mplayer and co. :-) but you need the synaptic pkg manager tool and add proper repositries...
[05:37] <hezekiah> globetek: I'm a former/still kinda Mandrake person
[05:37] <globetek> i like debian but i can't find a iso of ir that works well
[05:38] <Keybuk> ACID|net: do you know, I entirely missed the "mac os" bit of your original message and read "Ubuntu"
[05:38] <Keybuk> curious
[05:38] <globetek> i'm from freebsd land the only reason i like ubuntu is i can run rosegarden
[05:38] <globetek> and the audicity program
[05:38] <t31> bretzel:with knoppix i just made vi /etc/apt/sources.list add the rep and then apt-get install blabla
[05:39] <t31> bretzel: ubuntu is a sid one right?
[05:39] <gray-lizzard> and does someone knows more or other sources for apt ? r can i use the debian mirrors ?
[05:39] <bretzel> t31: hehehehe I think Ubuntu is the same: /etc/apt/sources.list :-) :-) :-) :-)
[05:39] <globetek> will ubuntu still work with debian packages replacing the ubuntu packages?
[05:40] <bretzel> t31: but some repos are to be carefully checked since Ubuntu has its proper pkg-depends .... But I put some non-ubuntu repositries and it seems to work well :-)
[05:41] <crimsun> globetek: it is highly _not_ recommended to replace Ubuntu packages with their Debian counterparts.
[05:41] <matthias> hi
[05:41] <sanman_nor> I have a problem with  my wireless  lan connection. It worked yesterday, but I could not get my comp to recognize my  ethernet,  so I deleted both and then added them,  starting with the ethernet,  the wireless will not activate,  can any one help me can't find documentation on it...
[05:41] <t31> bretzel: i think somewhere i read with ubuntu u dont have to write the deb-src line but just in case i do
[05:42] <t31> bretzel: u have to write alwasy sudo for such commands like apt-get right?
[05:42] <gray-lizzard> sow t31 u cant us also the debian mirrors for packages eg mc .. ?
[05:42] <bretzel> t31: ask randabis: He is far more Ubuntu guru then me : you know: I am actually a new debian/Ubuntu user :-) :-) :-)!!!! I came from Mandrake/Fedora :-)
[05:43] <t31> bretzel: but in this is better to come from mandrake/fedora rather than from windows
[05:43] <bretzel> t31: yes you have to "sudo" for each apt-get
[05:43] <matthias> i just got linux since yesterdaynight and i want to be able to access my ntfs partitions, so i've written the following to my fstab: "/dev/hda1       /data/hda1      ntfs    defaults        0       0" is that correct? and what do i have to do after saving the file? restart?
[05:43] <hannes__> mount -a
[05:44] <t31> bretzel:great we start with the dependencies i dont have :P
[05:44] <bretzel> t31: yes, it is better from other linux distros. I still need Window$ for extrem gaming and DVD works... :-(
[05:44] <pdkl> use this : /dev/sda1       /WinXP          ntfs    rw,umask=000    0       0
[05:44] <globetek> it just feels wierd having a distro that automaticly configures gui stuff for you
[05:45] <matthias> sda?
[05:45] <t31> bretzel for dvds try with videolan, works really fine, at least it did under knoppix and windows
[05:45] <pdkl> eh, im on a sata controller
[05:45] <pdkl> /dev/xxxx
[05:45] <matthias> and what does rw and umask=000 mean? ^
[05:46] <bretzel> Some day EA-/Westwood game: Command and Conquer Generals - will play in linux.... I will say BYE-BYE Window$
[05:46] <globetek> i'm new to PC land pretty much ive been amiga user for years and just a few months ago built pc and put bsd on it and linux on it
[05:46] <kent> matthias, rw and umask=000 means that all user on your computer can read/write to that drive..
[05:46] <globetek> something just feels wierd with ubuntu..it feels..like i have no control almost
[05:46] <bretzel> t31: Videoland: dunno - I know vlc but can't do nothing with it execpted play videos
[05:46] <matthias> will the winxp-folder(i guess i can name it to what i want?) be crated automatically or do i have to do it?
[05:47] <kent> matthias, just save the file and either reboot or, as hannes__ said,  run "mount -a" from a terminal. "mount -a" mounts all devices in fstab, i think
[05:47] <sanman_nor> I have a problem with  my wireless  lan connection. It worked yesterday, but I could not get my comp to recognize my  ethernet,  so I deleted both and then added them,  starting with the ethernet,  the wireless will not activate.   I tried deleteing all connections, and creating the wireless that still did not work
[05:47] <pdkl> matthias, you have to do it
[05:47] <bretzel> What I want is tools for dvdauthoring, to be able to create DVD from windows.avi mpeg4 files :-)
[05:47] <HostingGeek> welcome WindowsUninstall he going to join any second
[05:47] <t31> bretzel: i tried the stable sources but something is missing i saw a very nice ubuntu no official guide and think there was something i google a little and tell you
[05:47] <matthias> ok. thank you! :)
[05:48] <DaNewB> WindowsUninstall, welcome!
[05:48] <bretzel> t31: I've installed all that stuff: dvdauthor; dvdstyler; mjpeg etc .... but can't do nothing with it for avi-mpeg4 files...
[05:49] <WindowsUninstall> Hello *
[05:49] <HostingGeek> DaNewB: prefit timing
[05:49] <m00se> hi
[05:49] <HostingGeek> convert him
[05:49] <DaNewB> hi m00se
[05:49] <WindowsUninstall> Ubuntu is simple??? (I'm a mandrake linux user)
[05:49] <m00se> when are packages in universe updated when debian version changes?
[05:49] <t31> bretzel: i found out the guide but in spanish :(, about that i have a friend long time i dont talk with that problably will help i will write him an email
[05:49] <m00se> is it done by hand or autimaticaly?
[05:50] <HostingGeek> WindowsUninstall: LOL yes
[05:50] <t31> bretzel: but i dont have much hope long time i dont see him but anyway i can try is a pity im living so far away from home :(
[05:50] <crimsun> m00se: manually, but notifications are automatic.
[05:50] <HostingGeek> WindowsUninstall: in ubuntu the installer is enter enter enter enter take out cd
[05:51] <bretzel> WindowsUninstall: I dunno how simple is Ubuntu - but what I know is that Ubuntu is DEBIAN and I feel so much better with it than Mandrake/Fedora !
[05:51] <WindowsUninstall> HostingGeek, :-)
[05:51] <gusto> my first install of ubuntu chrashed
[05:51] <HostingGeek> i dunno why they even bother putting in those questions by default
[05:51] <gusto> could not add cdrom to apt
[05:51] <HostingGeek> gusto: driver support
[05:51] <crimsun> bretzel: Ubuntu is _not_ Debian. It's based on Debian, but it's not Debian by any stretch of the imagination. :-)
[05:51] <bretzel> t31: Thanks for your words t31, I know someday I will find good tutorials and tools to do it :-)
[05:51] <m00se> crimsun: who should i bother about updating galeon? bug #288875 is really anoying
[05:52] <WindowsUninstall> HostingGeek, I have a problem with the linux kernel1
[05:52] <WindowsUninstall> HostingGeek, I have a problem with the linux kernel!
[05:52] <gusto> HostingGeek: but the strange thing was it worked when I tried again
[05:52] <t31> bretzel: www.softonic.com has a good linux software compilation
[05:53] <DaNewB> WindowsUninstall, are you switching over to Ubuntu?
[05:53] <crimsun> m00se: because it's in universe, you can't file a bug on it for hoary
[05:53] <bretzel> crimsum: ok just like RedHat of Mndrake are not Linux but based on linux ??? I should have written DEBIAN based... even though all the Ubuntu pkg are from debian ?
[05:53] <m00se> crimsun: i know, that's why i'm asking here
[05:53] <WindowsUninstall> HostingGeek, I have a sata hard disk and an Hyper Threading processor and i can't mount my root partition.
[05:53] <HostingGeek> gusto: ITS A cd drive what do you think? if its a normal ide one and driver for a another products works but normal the eject or something like that doesn't work
[05:54] <sanman_nor> I have a problem with  my wireless  lan connection. It worked yesterday, but I could not get my comp to recognize my  ethernet,  so I deleted both and then added them,  starting with the ethernet,  the wireless will not activate,  can any one help me can't find documentation on it...
[05:54] <HostingGeek> WindowsUninstall: i have a sata drive and nothing bets d-i too supporting it
[05:54] <globetek> i like the power of building from source for some reason
[05:54] <HostingGeek> WindowsUninstall: i got 2 sata driver on a friends computer with out a problem
[05:55] <HostingGeek> globetek: apt-build
[05:55] <globetek> apt-build? i'm used to using ./configure make ,etc
[05:55] <crimsun> m00se: I've asked; if someone has a definitive answer, (s)he'll say more.
[05:55] <t31> bretzel: have to go, thx for help, c u around :)and thx very much again :)
[05:55] <gray-lizzard> ie played now for 3 days with ubuntu ( i was a debian usewr ...) works nice buth a pitty that there is no mc in the packageslist ...
[05:55] <bretzel> t31: yes me too: have a good day ! :-)
[05:55] <globetek> gray:can't you compile mc?
[05:55] <gray-lizzard> ( and ubuntu base depends on telnet ??/?)
[05:56] <m00se> crimsun: ok, thanks
[05:56] <t31> bretzel: :-) have a nice day :-)
[05:56] <WindowsUninstall> HostingGeek, you are using linux from the 0.0.1?
[05:56] <gray-lizzard> mja im downloading the source now .. going to compile buth mc was/is a base thing for me  globetek
[05:56] <globetek> I'm having trouble being a ttrue convert to  ubuntu
[05:56] <WindowsUninstall> HostingGeek, You are an linux kernel developer?
[05:56] <HostingGeek> WindowsUninstall: wtf there was a 0.0.1
[05:57] <globetek> gray-lizzard:can't you just use ubuntu just to install the base kernel and use debian package sources to do the rest?
[05:57] <DaNewB> gray-lizzard, I believe MC is in Ubuntu..?
[05:57] <ironwolf> mc is in universe I think.
[05:57] <HostingGeek> WindowsUninstall: 1) no 2) no
[05:57] <globetek> might be my oxyconttin clouding me
[05:57] <DaNewB> ironwolf, right
[05:57] <stuNNed> warty isn't unicode by default correct?
[05:57] <HostingGeek> WindowsUninstall: i used a box using 0.01
[05:58] <gray-lizzard> mja possible globetek buth i can install debian aswell then ...was hoping todo easy debian based installs on desktopmachines..
[05:58] <lonewolff> ok this is gettign annoying, does anyone know how to stop resolvconf from changing my resolv.conf file?
[05:58] <gray-lizzard> DaNewB : cant find mc ...really .. dselect --expert  /mc cant find ..
[05:58] <ironwolf> apt-get install mc
[05:58] <ironwolf> with universe in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:58] <DaNewB> gray-lizzard, like ironwolf says
[05:59] <globetek> only  reason i like debian is i have both gnome and kde
[05:59] <globetek> heheh
[05:59] <WindowsUninstall> I goto finish my scool homework!
[05:59] <globetek> but i guess i can compile kde
[05:59] <WindowsUninstall> Bye
[06:00] <lmurillo> I hate to compile the apps
[06:00] <lmurillo> that's why I use Debian
[06:00] <globetek> i prefer compiling them just because i have more control :)
[06:00] <lmurillo> I never seem to be able to compile anything :(
[06:00] <gray-lizzard> universe is one of the ubunto mirrors ? is there a mirror list on the net somewhere ? ironwolf
[06:01] <globetek> some of the packages i've tried installing just wont install
[06:01] <lmurillo> I can't even get passed the ./configure
[06:01] <globetek> it's easy just learn C++ :)
[06:01] <globetek> i mean we are Unix users right?
[06:01] <froust> gray-lizzard: are you trying to add it to your sources.list?
[06:02] <globetek> i have like 10 broken packages
[06:02] <globetek> that's why i prefer compiling stuff hehe
[06:03] <DaNewB> gray-lizzard, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:04] <globetek> i'm getting alot of package dependencies
[06:04] <globetek> like alot of packages are wanting to remove gnome components
[06:05] <gray-lizzard> thnx just edited my sources.list ...
[06:05] <dr_willis> Hmm. The New Mac-Mini is so cute... so when can we expect Ubuntu support. :P
[06:05] <matthias> mh, now i can access my harddrives in the terminal but i can't start that ...window in which the drives are...(the equivalent of "my computer" in windows) :-()
[06:05] <dr_willis> i need a decent cheap/quite file server lol
[06:06] <globetek> i think i need to join the ubuntu team as a developer and build some of the broken packages
[06:06] <DaNewB> matthias, open folader /mnt/WinXP (if thats how you named it)
[06:08] <matthias> i can access /data/win2k but i cant start that window..filebrowserthingy ;)
[06:08] <froust> nautilus?
[06:08] <matthias> so in the terminal everything seems finde
[06:08] <matthias> maybe...
[06:08] <matthias> another problem: my mousecursor always turns black(sometimes ;))
[06:09] <froust> nautilus is the file browser for gnome, i think
[06:10] <globetek> my review of ubuntu:nice distro but needs work i'm available since i am recovering from skateboarding injury
[06:10] <matthias> in the list of processes there are a lot of nautiluses but i cant see any :O
[06:10] <DaNewB> matthias, type nautilus in a terminal
[06:11] <globetek> i've noticed a few bugs in the packages
[06:11] <lonewolff> if i am download themes for gnome on ubuntu should i download gtk1.x gtk 2.x or metacity themes??
[06:11] <lonewolff> i cant seem to get any of them to work
[06:12] <zenrox> gtk2X themess and metacity themes
[06:12] <matthias> there was just a new line but nothing else seems to be happening
[06:12] <globetek> i'm thinking bout trying out debian
[06:12] <DaNewB> matthias, type "killall nautilus" in a terminal
[06:13] <globetek> i gotta reinstall ubuntu i think
[06:13] <globetek> cuz i got like a bunch of broken packages
[06:14] <matthias> now i got only one nautilus in the processlist ;)
[06:14] <DaNewB> matthias, and you still dont see a window?
[06:14] <matthias> no
[06:14] <globetek> i just see bugs in the way debian packages are handled..
[06:15] <wastrel> should i install warty or hoary on my new computer
[06:15] <matthias> i guess i did something wrong in the fstab
[06:15] <matthias> i will comment them out and test if nautilus works then
[06:15] <DaNewB> matthias, Nautilus invisible, hmmm...
[06:16] <DaNewB> wastrel, probably Warty, if you want a stable system
[06:16] <froust> hoary if you want new toys :)
[06:16] <globetek> hoary?
[06:16] <DaNewB> wastrel, Hoary if you wish to experiment
[06:16] <globetek> i'm a developer
[06:16] <globetek> :)
[06:16] <froust> hoary hedgehog == unstable
[06:17] <froust> ubuntu's names are really bad
[06:17] <wastrel> uh huh.  hoary == debian unstable  or   hoary == debian testing
[06:17] <globetek> yah sounds like theyire on crack
[06:17] <wastrel> i vote for alphabetical release names
[06:17] <wastrel> then you'll know that Cobra came after Bison  or whatever
[06:17] <froust> wastrel - i think hoary -> sid
[06:17] <globetek> i want to put together a drug influenced debian
[06:17] <globetek> LSD :)hehe
[06:17] <HostingGeek> wastrel: unstable
[06:17] <Cloudchaser> any scribus users here?
[06:17] <HostingGeek> froust: no it is sid
[06:18] <globetek> scribus?
[06:18] <globetek> wtf
[06:18] <froust> HostingGeek: Thx
[06:18] <HostingGeek> Cloudchaser: none of us use QT
[06:18] <globetek> i use QT
[06:18] <Cloudchaser> its not qt i don't think
[06:18] <globetek> on freebsd i do
[06:18] <froust> Sid is unstable, sarge is testing?
[06:18] <Cloudchaser> scribus is a dtp program
[06:18] <Cloudchaser> desktop publishing....
[06:19] <globetek> only thing i don't like in this is i can't write cd's
[06:19] <globetek> hehe
[06:19] <DaNewB> froust, yep
[06:19] <wastrel> at the moment :] 
[06:19] <froust> and which is most stable, testing or unstable?
[06:19] <wastrel> when sarge is released there will be a new testing, but sid is always unstable
[06:19] <froust> aaah
[06:19] <wastrel> testing is more stable
[06:19] <froust> i see.
[06:19] <froust> sid is always the name for their development
[06:19] <globetek> unstable is stable enough for me
[06:20] <DaNewB> globetek, sure you can write CDs
[06:20] <froust> and they just keep picking new names for the stable?
[06:20] <globetek> from commandline?
[06:20] <globetek> i'mused to burncd command in freebsd
[06:20] <globetek> i'm still adapting to linux world
[06:20] <HostingGeek> the new name to the new testing will be etch
[06:20] <froust> globetek: why'd you switch
[06:20] <HostingGeek> WTF is etch?!?
[06:20] <froust> HostingGeek: got it. thanks
[06:20] <DaNewB> globetek, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AudioCDCreation
[06:20] <globetek> better midi support
[06:21] <globetek> i was going to start development of amidi sequencing ap
[06:21] <wastrel> froust: they pick new release names for testing, then it moves to stable.  so the current stable "woody" was testing before it was released
[06:21] <globetek> heh
[06:21] <HostingGeek> sid can also stand for Still In Devoplement
[06:21] <HostingGeek> but doesn't
[06:21] <froust> so after sarge becomes stable, they pick a new name for the unstable and testing?
[06:22] <wastrel> froust: no, they'll pick a new name for testing but sid never changes  sid == unstable  always
[06:22] <froust> okay... got it.
[06:22] <wastrel> they freeze a snapshot of sid and move that to testing with a new release name
[06:22] <froust> that kid was twisted...
[06:23] <HostingGeek> yes with the next code name being etch
[06:23] <HostingGeek> WTF IS ETCH
[06:23] <froust> who was etch?
[06:23] <notdenizen> has anyone managed to install VMWare on warty/AMD64 ?
[06:24] <HostingGeek> froust: the next debian testing is going to be called etch can you handle this
[06:25] <froust> wtf is etch?
[06:25] <froust> /bin/sh: dig: command not found
[06:25] <Freduardo> can't remember a toy story character called etch
[06:25] <froust> me neither
[06:25] <notdenizen> the little etch-a-sketch ?
[06:25] <Freduardo> thought they would all be named after ts characters
[06:26] <notdenizen> drew the little gun ? all i remember :)
[06:26] <froust> aahh
[06:26] <HostingGeek> froust: not here!?!? in the /msg
[06:26] <froust> etch a sketch
[06:26] <paulproteus> Little etch, cool. :)
[06:26] <rob0> My DHCP server (not running on Ubuntu) does dynamic DNS, but the Ubuntu machine didn't pass its hostname to be registered in DNS. I don't see an easy/GUI way to fix that.
[06:27] <matthias> how can i rename a folder?
[06:27] <notdenizen> mv folder folder2
[06:27] <matthias> (i just restartet and i can start nautilus again)
[06:27] <matthias> thanks
[06:28] <DaNewB> cool
[06:28] <wastrel> so is there an install guide for ubuntu?  i haven't found one looking around the site...
[06:28] <HostingGeek> yes...
[06:28] <rob0> in Nautilus, rename is a right-click option, just like most desktop-style GUI's
[06:28] <HostingGeek> wastrel: but my one is the best enter enter enter enter take out cd
[06:29] <HostingGeek> wastrel: there is nothing easier than my guide
[06:29] <rob0> LOL that's about how I did it
[06:29] <DaNewB> wastrel, install is easy. For post-configuration, see ubuntuguide.org
[06:29] <wastrel> i normally wouldn't worry but i want to dual-boot xp and haven't done that before
[06:30] <froust> wastrel: it was pretty easy to do for me
[06:30] <wastrel> will need to resize the xp partition
[06:30] <wastrel> or will i have to wipe, partition and reinstall xp?
[06:30] <froust> xp should be installed first
[06:30] <HostingGeek> wastrel: why waste space for winxp
[06:30] <froust> and careful resizing partitions
[06:30] <wastrel> i've never really run windows :] 
[06:31] <froust> cause sometimes it buggers them up (if you resize non system partitions, it should go okay)
[06:31] <froust> then install linux
[06:31] <matthias> is this correct? "#/dev/hda1      /data/win2k     ntfs    rw,umask=000    0       0
[06:31] <matthias> #/dev/hda5       /data/programme ntfs    rw,umask=000    0       0
[06:31] <matthias> #/dev/hda6       /data/daten     ntfs    rw,umask=000    0       0
[06:31] <matthias> #/dev/hda7       /data/spiele    ntfs    rw,umask=000    0       0
[06:31] <matthias> " it seems like that caused nautilus to crash :O
[06:31] <wastrel> this will be a fresh intsall of xp on my new laptop drive
[06:31] <wastrel> from the factory
[06:31] <wastrel> so hopefully the partition will resize easily.
[06:31] <froust> okay... so you have nothing on there now and you want to dual boot?
[06:32] <wastrel> well the drive will come with xp
[06:32] <froust> if you dont' have anything to save, it might be easier just to reinstall xp onto a smaller partition
[06:32] <wastrel> it's arriving tomorrow :] 
[06:32] <wastrel> hm.
[06:32] <froust> save you the trouble of resizing partitions
[06:32] <froust> it's an extra 45 minutes
[06:32] <wastrel> 45 minutes to resize?
[06:32] <wastrel> or 45 to install xp
[06:32] <DaNewB> matthias, where are the linux partitions??
[06:32] <froust> to install xp
[06:33] <matthias> i left them out
[06:33] <wastrel> hm.
[06:33] <Seq> i got a bunch of security warnings on my apt-get update. Should I be worried, or is there a new key I just don't have yet?
[06:33] <matthias> this is not the whole fstab ;)
[06:33] <wastrel> well i'll figure it out when it gets here i guess
[06:33] <DaNewB> matthias, few!
[06:33] <matthias> ^
[06:33] <matthias> "proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[06:33] <matthias> #/dev/hda1      /data/win2k     ntfs    rw,umask=000    0       0
[06:33] <matthias> #/dev/hda5       /data/programme ntfs    rw,umask=000    0       0
[06:33] <matthias> #/dev/hda6       /data/daten     ntfs    rw,umask=000    0       0
[06:33] <matthias> #/dev/hda7       /data/spiele    ntfs    rw,umask=000    0       0
[06:33] <matthias> /dev/hda3       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[06:33] <matthias> /dev/hda8       none            swap    sw              0       0
[06:33] <matthias> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[06:33] <matthias> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[06:33] <matthias> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[06:33] <matthias> "
[06:34] <matthias> does the order of the lines in the fstab matter?
[06:35] <froust> not that i know of
[06:36] <DaNewB> matthias, all these folders should exist
[06:36] <randabis> order should not matter
[06:36] <globetek> i'm confused with these packages
[06:36] <matthias> they do
[06:37] <tritium> globetek, which ones?
[06:37] <notdenizen> is there some trick to making the VMWare modules compile under amd64/2.6.10? I'm not finding anything about it on the forums/wiki/google
[06:38] <Punk> how do i choose lilo during the install so i can use XFS on my root partition ?
[06:39] <tritium> Punk, did you try expert mode install?
[06:39] <Punk> no, how do i do that ?
[06:39] <DaNewB> randabis, how can his fstab crash Nautilus (but he can access through terminal)?
[06:40] <tritium> I don't recall - I only did the install once.  Hit the various function keys when the install CD first boots.
[06:40] <tritium> It'll provide details on various boot options, etc.
[06:40] <froust> Punk: i think its F1
[06:41] <froust> with ubuntu
[06:41] <Punk> thank you, i will try that
[06:41] <IRCsloth> hey all
[06:42] <IRCsloth> is it possible to disable the spacial nautilis in gnome 2.8
[06:42] <DaNewB> IRCsloth, hello neighbour!
[06:42] <tritium> IRCsloth, yes
[06:42] <DaNewB> IRCsloth, sure!
[06:42] <IRCsloth> it's annoying having new windows pop up for everything you open
[06:42] <IRCsloth> I was looking thought the settings manager but couldn't find it
[06:43] <lupus_> how can I see which files are in a installed package
[06:43] <IRCsloth> any hints as to where that setting is?
[06:43] <tritium> you'll have to edit a gconf key
[06:44] <lmurillo> IRCsloth, IIRC, using the system configuration on GNome, just look for the Nautilus and change the configuration there
[06:44] <agenteo> default install of mysql on ubuntu, does set some MySQL root passwords?
[06:44] <tritium> IRCsloth, http://ubuntuguide.org/#openfoldersamewindow
[06:45] <mgedmin> when I used debian unstable, I had a netspeed applet that showed me the current bandwith usage in KB/s
[06:45] <mgedmin> I cannot find this applet in ubuntu
[06:45] <jcspray> that's a bit out of date, really.  There's a checkbox in file managerment properties dialog.
[06:45] <mgedmin> any hints?
[06:46] <tritium> jcspray, ah, you're right :)
[06:46] <mgedmin> also, this morning I apt-get upgraded and the wireless applet disappeared too
[06:47] <notdenizen> http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/vmware-any-any-update88.tar.gz    <- that fixes VMWare under 2.6.10 / AMD64 incase anyone else was worried :P
[06:47] <IRCsloth> thanks, it worked
[06:47] <matthias> how to delete a folder?
[06:47] <tritium> IRCsloth, sure.  Note that jcspray pointed out an easier way.
[06:47] <IRCsloth> Ubuntu rocks :-)
[06:48] <DaNewB> matthias, rmdir
[06:48] <matthias> thx
[06:48] <froust> or rm -r
[06:48] <IRCsloth> it's the only distro that worked with ALL my laptop hardware without hours of tweaking.
[06:49] <lmurillo> IRCsloth, what laptop? IBM? Dell?
[06:50] <zerokarmaleft> lupus_, dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/[package] .deb
[06:50] <mgedmin> duh, the netspeed applet is in a separate package, I'd forgotten that
[06:52] <matthias> ah, it finally works :)
[06:52] <matthias> thanks for your help :)
[06:53] <IRCsloth> sorry, had a phone call, an Averatec 3150 series
[06:53] <IRCsloth> I also have a Dell Inspiron 8600 I'm going to put ubuntu on next
[06:54] <matthias> damn... the totem video player doesn't seem to be able to player anything :-( (for unknown reason ;))
[06:54] <froust> i'm liking ubuntu so far
[06:55] <DaNewB> matthias, Totem + Xine backend?
[06:56] <matthias> i dont know
[06:56] <DaNewB> matthias, check the About dialog.. does it say Xine-lib
[06:58] <matthias> in the info-dialog(germanversion - might be about?) it says something abaout gstreamer
[06:58] <DaNewB> matthias, anyways, you should install totem-xine for best video playback
[06:58] <matthias> err, and how do i do that? ;o)
[06:58] <DaNewB> matthias, you can use Synaptic
[06:59] <eruin> meh!
[06:59] <DaNewB> matthias, or try "sudo apt-get install totem-xine"
[06:59] <eruin> my cdrom doesnt wanna mount anymore
[07:00] <DaNewB> matthias, if it doesnt find any package named totem-xine, then you didnt activate the Universe repository
[07:01] <matthias> ^^
[07:01] <DaNewB> matthias, hah?
[07:02] <matthias> err... nothing ;)
[07:04] <TenPlus1> hi folks...
[07:04] <DaNewB> TenPlus1, :)
[07:04] <TenPlus1> allo
[07:04] <TenPlus1> Q.) How good is Ubuntu at detecting Wi-fi networks ??
[07:05] <DaNewB> matthias, u got totem-xine??
[07:06] <matthias> not yet - still trying
[07:06] <smo> TenPlus1: I've only used it on a wireless network once.  It needed absolutely zero hand-holding (from the LiveCD)
[07:06] <eruin> what do I do if hald for some reason isn't running?
[07:07] <TenPlus1> smo: kewl, Ubuntu seems to handle everything
[07:07] <alainm> does this distro still use APT?
[07:07] <TenPlus1> still cant find a decent xvid codec tho... that's my only quibble
[07:07] <smo> TenPlus1: That's only the single time I've used it .. don't take my word from it .. just encouragement :)
[07:07] <DaNewB> alainm, sure APT + Synaptic
[07:07] <alainm> oh thats great
[07:08] <DaNewB> alainm, sure is
[07:08] <alainm> now will the install do the same hardware auto-detect as the LIVE?
[07:08] <froust> alainm: i had no problems
[07:08] <froust> onboard sound and network card
[07:09] <DaNewB> alainm, i think it should
[07:09] <alainm> froust: it found all your sound and other goodies
[07:09] <alainm> wow
[07:09] <alainm> i think this is going to be my new favorite distro
[07:09] <froust> 0 problems
[07:09] <froust> nm... had to tweak my xorg.conf a bit
[07:09] <DaNewB> alainm, it's already mine ;)
[07:09] <alainm> nice
[07:09] <froust> but no problems aside from that, and no problems second time i installed.
[07:09] <matthias> DaNewB, juhu, it works! :) thanks again.
[07:10] <DaNewB> matthias, np
[07:10] <alainm> what was your prob with xorg.conf?
[07:10] <froust> i don'tremember... and there wasn't a problem second time around
[07:10] <alainm> ok.. sweet
[07:10] <alainm> thx
[07:11] <DaNewB> alainm, even the ATI proprietary driver is easy to install
[07:11] <TenPlus1> cya peeps
[07:11] <Cloudchaser> well darn..scribus isn't too stable ;( just crashed before i got to save changes
[07:11] <froust> except ati only released drivers up to 9200
[07:11] <froust> *sighs*
[07:12] <Cloudchaser> one of linux's major shortfalls..desktop publishing apps ;(
[07:12] <DaNewB> froust, talking about the fglrx driver for my 9600...
[07:12] <froust> they have linux drivers for +9200?
[07:13] <DaNewB> froust, of course (but closed source)
[07:13] <froust> where'd you find them?
[07:13] <Prower> Hello :> I've installed php4, but I can't seem to run PHP in the command line...does anyone know what I'd have to install to get the actual php binary?
[07:14] <DaNewB> froust, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:15] <t31> betzler: just a second, many things are really trivials but someone r interesting http://ubuntuguide.org/#gettingstarted
[07:15] <t31> betzler: c u
[07:16] <froust> will those drivers worth with 64 bit ubuntu?
[07:18] <DaNewB> froust, I have no idea but I thought everything 32-bit worked on 64-bit??
[07:19] <DaNewB> froust, which card you have?
[07:19] <froust> ati aiw 9700 pro
[07:20] <sladen> DaNewB: things like video BIOS actually have to run inside a 16-bit x86 emulator on amd64, alpha and the like
[07:20] <DaNewB> sladen, so would the ATI fglrx driver work on 64-bit?
[07:21] <sladen> DaNewB: is it a binary x86-only driver?  Or is it a driver that can be recompiled for ppc/amd64 etc?
[07:21] <froust> it's a binary
[07:22] <froust> that you can apt-get
[07:22] <DaNewB> sladen, but the tutorial says to get linux-686 or whatever matches your kernel...
[07:23] <DaNewB> sladen, so if you get linux-amd64 (or something), wont it work??
[07:24] <froust> yeah - what he said
[07:25] <DaNewB> froust, what is it called for amd64... linux-amd64...no, what?
[07:25] <Ileden> hmm, does this sound like and ok partitoning: "#1 - / - 15 GB; #6 - /home - 15 GB; #5 - swap - 512 MB"?
[07:25] <froust> Ileden: sounds okay... all i did was 100mb /boot 1gb swap and the rest /
[07:26] <Ileden> hmm, someone here yesterday recommended creating /home too? is there any use for it? and should I have /boot too?
[07:27] <froust> Il - i'm by no means a pro... couldn't say
[07:28] <no0tic> Ileden: to separate /home , /boot , / is a good choice if your system breaks
[07:28] <no0tic> Ileden: normally you make a little ext2 for /boot and use another fs for the others (with journaling for example)
[07:28] <Ileden> and should /boot be the first primary partition then? hda1?
[07:29] <no0tic> Ileden: I think it's not necessary
[07:29] <DaNewB> Ileden, the most important (in my opinion) is that you have a separate partition for your (personal) data
[07:29] <DaNewB> from the rest of the system
[07:30] <no0tic> DaNewB: I have done in the same way
[07:30] <Ileden> ok, so /home is a good idea, but /boot isn't really that necessary?
[07:30] <no0tic> Ileden: right
[07:30] <Ileden> ok, then I'll use the table I have now. Thanks. :)
[07:31] <DaNewB> personaly, I dont make one for /home because apps put tons of config files in it
[07:32] <no0tic> DaNewB: what's the problem?
[07:33] <DaNewB> instaed I put my files in a separate partition but not /home (cleaner this way)
[07:34] <Ileden> yeah, I also have another drive for file storage. But I figure I'm going to use /home for something too.
[07:34] <no0tic> DaNewB: but /home is made for you datas! if don't want apps' config file then remove proper .directories
[07:34] <no0tic> DaNewB: and you have a clean install
[07:35] <DaNewB> no0tic, remove them? but wont that make them malfunction?
[07:36] <no0tic> DaNewB: removing (for example) .gnome2 will erase your personalizations and you modifications to the defautl configuration
[07:36] <mon> i read about the restricted format stuff, and so far it works great. what's the status on quicktime (in a browser) though?
[07:36] <Ileden> I don't see why data should reside in /home/username, if the data is of such nature it will be shared with all users of the computer...
[07:36] <DaNewB> no0tic, well exactly! you dont want that
[07:36] <no0tic> DaNewB: then gnome will start as you first installed it
[07:36] <froust> so
[07:36] <froust> anyone know anything about 64 bit ati drivers?
[07:37] <no0tic> Ileden: this is another thing, in this case is right saving these datas elsewhere
[07:37] <DaNewB> froust, unless you need 3D acceleration, dont bother with them
[07:38] <randabis> there are none... :p none from ATI anyway.
[07:38] <Ileden> which place should that be if I want to follow the linux naming conventions?
[07:38] <DaNewB> randabis, but can he run the 32-bit drivers on his 64-bit Ubuntu?
[07:38] <Ileden> I was thinking about /home/storage
[07:38] <randabis> DaNewB no clue
[07:39] <randabis> lleden... /home/username is only accessable by that username unless they allow their home to be shared
[07:39] <Ileden> or even /storage or /data/storage... but I'm afraid that probably isn't a good convention.
[07:39] <DaNewB> Ileden, I would put it in /mnt/something
[07:39] <Ileden> hmm, maybe /media/storage
[07:39] <no0tic> Ileden: yes, it's good
[07:39] <Ileden> (as I hear /media is the new /mnt)
[07:39] <DaNewB> Ileden, like /mnt/storage
[07:39] <randabis> yeah I have a mount point for my 80 gig drive in /media/storage
[07:40] <DaNewB> Ileden, really? it's going to be /media from now on?
[07:40] <randabis> yeah /media is the new standard I though
[07:40] <Ileden> someone told me this yesterday :(
[07:40] <randabis> mnt is just there because
[07:40] <Ileden> (oops, meant to have a :), not :( )
[07:40] <randabis> I tend to still use mnt for temporary mounts and network shares though
[07:41] <sladen> DaNewB: do you have an AMD64 system?  or a x86 system ?
[07:41] <Ileden> yeah, they don't feel really like "media", so "mount" sounds like a good place for them.
[07:42] <jazzka> hi!
[07:42] <idea00> hi can anyone help me with pptp on ubunto. I am able to set up a pptp connection to my ISP using CHAP, ppp0 is up and I receive and setup DNS for the connection but as soon as I stablish a default gw to the ppp0 local IP pppd starts sending hundreds of packets and nothing seems to come in from the tunnel. After about 1G of outgoing packets my ISP disconnects me. The connection works fine under WinXP and Fedora Core 3 is there a patch I-
[07:42] <idea00>  need to apply to the kernel/pppd/pptp?
[07:42] <DaNewB> sladen, me, x86, but I was asking for froust, he has 64 bit
[07:43] <froust> i'm amd64
[07:43] <jazzka> I try to burn an iso file, but nautilus tells me that is not a right iso file, what can I do?
[07:43] <randabis> wish my theme manager would work :(
[07:44] <randabis> 2.9.4 broke it or something else in the dist-upgrade
[07:44] <DaNewB> jazzka, is there an .md5 file? check the integrity of the .iso
[07:44] <jazzka> DaNewB, there's no md5 file :(
[07:44] <HappyFool> you could always try mounting it via loopback
[07:45] <randabis> <3 loopback
[07:45] <froust> explain?
[07:45] <HappyFool> i think the command will be 'sudo mount -o loop filename.iso mountdir'
[07:45] <DaNewB> jazzka, what kind of ISO is that? did you make it yourself?
[07:46] <froust> yay!! >> http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1333407704&postcount=158
[07:46] <notdenizen> "cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status" tells me AGP is disabled. Does anyone know what i need compiled into my kernel in order to enable it ? CONFIG_AGP and CONFIG_AGP_AMD64 are both "y" in my config
[07:46] <DaNewB> jazzka, or try what HappyFool says. That way, you can access the contents of the ISO without even having to burn it to CD!
[07:46] <jazzka> DaNewB, I downloaded it with mldonkey; it's an old game
[07:47] <HappyFool> well, the idea is to test the image using the mount
[07:47] <jazzka> ook
[07:48] <HappyFool> hrm. "mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#"
[07:48] <rob0> This page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/package-list says everything in Debian is in Ubuntu. I enabled (un|mult)iverse and it's not so. What am I missing?
[07:48] <jazzka> mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[07:48] <jazzka> ??
[07:48] <DaNewB> HappyFool, loopback has to be compiled in kernel
[07:48] <mgedmin> jazzka, modprobe loop
[07:48] <rob0> HappyFool, try sudo modprobe -v loop
[07:48] <HappyFool> ah-ha
[07:48] <randabis> loop is compiled in the ubuntu kernels by default
[07:49] <HappyFool> jazzka: you got that?
[07:49] <randabis> just isn't loaded automaticall
[07:49] <randabis> y
[07:49] <jazzka> yeah
[07:49] <randabis> err
[07:49] <randabis> it's actually a module
[07:49] <randabis> not in the kernel
[07:49] <jazzka> now, I need say mount the filesystem type
[07:49] <HappyFool> that's a bad sign. it autodetected here
[07:50] <rob0> randabis, isn't KMOD enabled in ubuntu kernels?
[07:50] <HappyFool> try   sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop  filename.iso mountpnt
[07:50] <rob0> with KMOD all that should be automatic
[07:50] <mgedmin> rob0, udev
[07:51] <zAo^> anyone who got SonicStage to work in Ubuntu??
[07:51] <rob0> I'll look
[07:51] <mgedmin> kmod loads loop.ko when a program accesses /dev/loop, but with udev there is no /dev/loop until loop.ko is loaded
[07:51] <HappyFool> heh
[07:51] <mgedmin> just echo loop >> /etc/modules
[07:51] <jazzka> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
[07:51] <jazzka>        or too many mounted file systems
[07:51] <jazzka>        (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use
[07:51] <jazzka>        ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?)
[07:51] <jazzka> :(((
[07:52] <jazzka> I wrote exactly what you said
[07:52] <HappyFool> it seems likely that your iso image is bad
[07:52] <notdenizen> is CONFIG_DRM required for the Nvidia drivers to support AGP ?
[07:52] <HappyFool> or at least, that it isn't an iso
[07:53] <DaNewB> jazzka, try mounting a different ISO to see if it isnt loopback...
[07:53] <rob0> oops no /proc/config.gz
[07:53] <notdenizen> hehe
[07:53] <Ileden> So... when ubuntu asks for a "full name for the new user", does it mean I do get to decide a shorter username later?
[07:53] <DaNewB> jazzka, but Nautilus was probably right in the 1st place
[07:53] <notdenizen> rob0, does your /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status report AGP as enabled ?
[07:53] <jazzka> well I've a nero image...
[07:54] <jazzka> could I burn it on linux?
[07:54] <rob0> notdenizen, I don't have nvidia!
[07:54] <HappyFool> jazzka: well, you could try the same mount command to see if it at least works for a known, good iso
[07:55] <zAo^> Ileden, yes it will
[07:55] <Ileden> thanks. :)
[07:55] <notdenizen> ahh k.. hrmm
[07:55] <jazzka> yeah, nautilus was right
[07:56] <notdenizen> jazzka, or try it with -o ro .. dunno if its a problem with Ubuntu but my old debian system would refuse to mount an image at all if you tried to mount it rw when all it could manage was ro
[07:57] <DaNewB> Nautilus is the Great Wizard!
[07:58] <zido> is there any way to take a screenshot in Linux?
[07:58] <HappyFool> doesn't gimp have a screenshot taker?
[07:58] <DaNewB> zido, Computer --> Take Screenshot
[07:58] <randabis> yes
[07:59] <HappyFool> ah. interesting that it rates a menu item, but neat ;)
[07:59] <zido> ok
[07:59] <zido> aah
[07:59] <zido> thx
[07:59] <randabis> lol
[08:04] <IRCsloth> which driver in XF86config-4 is the accelorated nvidia driver, nv or nvidia ?
[08:05] <Klon> accelerated ?
[08:05] <IRCsloth> well, the one that nvidia provides, that does GL etc
[08:05] <tritium> IRCsloth, nvidia is the one that nVidia provides.
[08:05] <Klon> nv ships with XFree/xorg nvidia is a binary provided by nvidia (better 3d support)
[08:05] <IRCsloth> ok
[08:05] <IRCsloth> tx
[08:05] <tritium> nv is from XFree86
[08:06] <tritium> Anybody else presenting at or attending the Electronic Imaging conference in San Jose next week?
[08:06] <IRCsloth> my XF86config-4 file had nv listed but I am getting the nvidia logo on gnome startup and 3d apps are working, hence the confusion
[08:07] <im_ka> what can i do with a .cue file?
[08:07] <DaNewB> im_ka, you also need the .bin file
[08:07] <im_ka> DaNewB, i have it too
[08:07] <Klon> im_ka: should be a bin of the same name along with it
[08:07] <IRCsloth> thanks again
[08:07] <Klon> np
[08:08] <im_ka> Klon, i have everything, i just don't know how to use it :X
[08:08] <Klon> if in windows mount in daemon tools :P
[08:08] <DaNewB> im_ka, cd-burning software will use the .cue file to get some info on the .bin file
[08:08] <im_ka> DaNewB, nautilus cd burner?
[08:08] <DaNewB> im_ka, yes (if it handles .bin/cue files, im not sure)
[08:08] <im_ka> i hope so. let's see
[08:09] <randabis> otherwise there's k3b and xcdroast
[08:09] <IRCsloth> restarting X, bbl
[08:09] <im_ka> buehhhhh k3b.
[08:09] <im_ka> no k
[08:09] <randabis> no  k?
[08:10] <Klon> I think he means kde
[08:10] <DaNewB> he obviously has something against kde
[08:10] <im_ka> The bchunk package contains a UNIX/C rewrite of the BinChunker program.
[08:10] <im_ka> BinChunker converts a CD image in a .bin/.cue format (sometimes .raw/.cue)
[08:10] <im_ka> into a set of .iso and .cdr/.wav tracks.  The .bin/.cue format is used by some
[08:10] <im_ka> non-UNIX CD-writing software, but is not supported on most other CD-writing
[08:10] <im_ka> programs.
[08:10] <randabis> you don't need kde to use k3b
[08:10] <froust> is there a way i can embed a terminal into my desktop?
[08:10] <randabis> term is the closest thing
[08:10] <randabis> eterm I mean
[08:10] <froust> which is?
[08:11] <randabis> enlightenment terminal
[08:11] <randabis> supports transparencies
[08:11] <IRCsloth> :-) worked
[08:11] <froust> ah
[08:11] <randabis> you can also remove the side bars and everything from it
[08:11] <DaNewB> froust, right-click on Panel --> Add Panel --> Command-Line
[08:12] <randabis> yeah, but I think he means having a term on the wallpaper
[08:12] <DaNewB> actually the mini command-line sucks. you cant even get output!?
[08:13] <froust> dataw0lf: i mean like embedded on your background
[08:13] <dataw0lf> ?
[08:13] <randabis> yeah
[08:13] <dataw0lf> ah, tab completion problem, I see.
[08:14] <froust> yes :P
[08:14] <randabis> eterm is the closest thing you can get
[08:14] <randabis> unless there's another term I'm not aware of
[08:14] <dataw0lf> Isn't there a gdesklet that supports that?
[08:14] <froust> ?
[08:14] <randabis> possibly
[08:14] <Klon> rxvt does it with an appropriate patch
[08:14] <randabis> I'll install gdesklets now and check
[08:14] <dataw0lf> embedding a term in your background, I mean.
[08:15] <dataw0lf> sorry to jump into the conversation.
[08:15] <froust> that's what i was thinking
[08:15] <randabis> np
[08:15] <DaNewB> can you embeb a terminal in your Panel that gives you stdout output??
[08:16] <DaNewB> I mean for example "man apt-get" would give me something
[08:16] <DaNewB> nvm it has no usefullness
[08:18] <Ileden> ok... so the software download is suddenly stuck...
[08:18] <Ileden> (that would be the software download in the installation process)
[08:19] <james> I'm having a really weird problem with the ipw2200 drivers
[08:19] <james> they've worked ever since I installed hoary
[08:19] <Ileden> any ideas what I could try to do to revive it?
[08:19] <james> I just upgraded hoary, and now all of a sudden, the firmware isn't loading, and whilst ipw2200 modprobes, it isn't working at *all* :(
[08:20] <james> but the odd thing, the kernel wasn't updated in the upgrade; nothing should have touched the ipw2200 or the drivers :/
[08:20] <dataw0lf> james: what does iwconfig look like?
[08:21] <james> dataw0lf, no interface. Like I said, the module loads, but the firmware isn't loading, and it doesn't work.
[08:21] <dataw0lf> james: you've tried unloading and reloading it?
[08:21] <james> dataw0lf, yes, that would be the first thing I did ;)
[08:21] <james> ipw2200: ipw2200_boot.fw load failed
[08:21] <james> ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: 0xFFFFFFFE
[08:21] <james> ipw2200: failed to register network device
[08:21] <james> ipw2200: probe of 0000:02:03.0 failed with error -5
[08:22] <dataw0lf> Nice.
[08:22] <james> Very.
[08:22] <dataw0lf> I guess that's what you get for installing an unstable branch.
[08:22] <james> silence, you :p
[08:23] <dataw0lf> Anything I need I just backport myself.
[08:23] <dataw0lf> which isn't much.
[08:25] <IRCsloth> Hoary's been good to me so far
[08:25] <james> likewise, IRCsloth
[08:26] <james> until my wireless card stopped working.
[08:26] <randabis> I don't see any terminal gdesklets
[08:27] <randabis> *strokes hoary, slaps theme manager for not working*
[08:28] <tritium> randabis, in what way is your theme manager not working?
[08:28] <james> randabis, theme manager has always been odd for me in ubuntu
[08:28] <james> in warty and hoary on two laptops.
[08:28] <james> every now and then it just bombs and eats 100% CPU and sits there.
[08:28] <randabis> any time I try to change or install new themes, I get an error that says I don't have the proper permissions
[08:28] <james> it needs kill -9'ing and sometimes just keeps doing it until the machine's rebooted.
[08:28] <randabis> even root gets this error
[08:29] <randabis> multiple people are having this issue..there's a thread about it on ubuntu forums
[08:29] <tritium> hmm, I hadn't tried changing my theme, but I can't change it from Human...
[08:29] <randabis> on the hoary forum
[08:29] <tritium> that is odd!
[08:30] <randabis> yeah it really sucks :p
[08:30] <runenes> Can anyone recomend a solution to this problem: I need to write some documents which will contain quite a lot of mathematical notation, but also a lot of normal text. I've used oowriter, which I like, but changing between the fomula editor and the standard view is tiresom, and finding the correct characters which repr. the desired notation is time-consuming. Hints, tips and links are greatly appriciated!
[08:30] <randabis> that's the only problem I've had so far with hoary
[08:30] <Wulf_> runenes: LaTeX
[08:31] <tritium> I hadn't really had any until now.
[08:31] <tritium> runenes, definitely LaTeX
[08:31] <randabis> I have a really nice black one I want to use
[08:33] <runenes> Wulf_, tritium: allright, I'll apt-get it - is it diffucult to learn (I don't know any TeX)? thank you btw
[08:33] <froust> randabis-wireles: me neither
[08:33] <froust> stupid tab
[08:34] <tritium> runenes, the packages you'll need are tetex-base and tetex-bin and you'll probably want tetex-extra and tetex-doc
[08:34] <randabis> maurice lenell makes good holiday cookies lol
[08:34] <tritium> runenes, It'll take you some time to learn, but it's worth it.  Most technical journals use it for publications, and most universities use it for dissertations.
[08:35] <abelli> does anyone know where can i get a ubuntu qemu's image?
[08:36] <tritium> runenes, some good info on http://www.latex-project.org/ for you
[08:37] <runenes> tritium, yeah, I'll probably be doing a lot of math in my life, so the investment in learning it prob. will pay off - though I'm a bit scared when I saw the doc package is 40MB - hope that's not all text :)
[08:37] <tritium> abelli, it's in universe
[08:37] <tritium> runenes, The (Not So) Short Introduction to LaTeX2e is a great place to start.
[08:38] <darksatanic> runenes: I can strongly recommend Kopka and Daly as well.
[08:38] <DaNewB> bbl
[08:39] <tritium> I completely agree, darksatanic.  A very good reference.
[08:39] <runenes> tritium, thanks, I've prob. got enough to start now :)
[08:39] <darksatanic> I've got the second edition. I think they're on the fourth now.
[08:39] <runenes> darksatanic, Kopka, Daly?
[08:39] <darksatanic> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0321173856/qid=1105558731/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/202-1042138-1109417
[08:40] <tritium> Yeah, the 4th edition is out, and it's not as thick as the 3rd edition.
[08:40] <darksatanic> It's shrinking.
[08:40] <darksatanic> The 3rd ed. was smaller than the second.
[08:41] <darksatanic> They cut out all of the weird font-handling stuff, for example,
[08:41] <tritium> I think they took out the old material to version 2.09, since it's obsolete.
[08:41] <darksatanic> because the new font packages were so much better than the old 2.09 ones.
[08:41] <Jikkle> does bitchx come in a gui version?
[08:42] <runenes> darksatanic, ahh.. ok a 624 page book - that'll have to be later - I've got enough books now at the start of the semester, but I'll defenetly put it on my TODO list (yes, I have a TODO list) :)
[08:42] <tritium> Before ubuntu, I used to use kile (KDE Integrated LaTeX Editor) a lot, but now I just use gedit.
[08:43] <darksatanic> I wrote my thesis in emacs. And a Psion 5.
[08:43] <Jikkle> i need to learn emacs
[08:45] <tritium> I took my thesis defense a few weeks after ubuntu came out.  I may have been the first to use ubuntu to present a thesis/dissertation. :)
[08:46] <theine> can I ask a Debian question in here?
[08:47] <Cred> Hello, I'd like to execute MAKEDEV-DVB.sh before any DVB related modules are loaded (on boot). Where should I put this file so it gets executed?
[08:47] <tritium> theine, maybe it is applicable to ubuntu as well?
[08:50] <theine> tritium: no, it's about upgrading from woody to sarge, which doesn't work for me
[08:50] <froust> i want escape velocity for linux
[08:50] <marquivon> hi. i'm planning to setup a FAI server for automated installation. i use Ubuntu and have Ubuntu CD with me. i wanted to know if it is possible to make the ubuntu CD as the debian mirror as i wish to install ubuntu on all the client machines
[08:50] <tritium> theine, did you ask in #debian?
[08:51] <froust> #debian is a scary place
[08:51] <froust> they're very... zealous
[08:51] <tritium> Yeah, it can be.
[08:51] <froust> one of teh main reasons i use ubuntu
[08:51] <theine> tritium: yes, nobody believed me
[08:52] <froust> doesn't debian's site have a hotwo
[08:52] <froust> ?
[08:52] <tritium> theine, why not just go ahead and ask?  I, for one, won't mind.
[08:52] <froust> in ubuntu we just edit the sources.list and then apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:53] <Ileden> So, my ubuntu installation is stuck at downloading updated software from the internet. There is no activity at all. Is there a way to revive the download?
[08:53] <theine> tritium: alright, so what i did is this: changed all occurencies of woody to sarge in /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, and then apt-get dist-upgrade. However, as opposed to what I expected, it gave me 0 upgrades
[08:53] <Ileden> I can always try the installation again from the beginning. :)
[08:53] <froust> theine: weird.
[08:53] <theine> indded
[08:54] <Lethorion> hi guys, I'm trying to install freenx via apt-get but I get a "it's obsolete" message... any clues?
[08:54] <Ileden> Other tty:s respond normal.
[08:54] <froust> what's a good site for linux games?
[08:54] <froust> that's odd.
[08:54] <help_please> hi
[08:54] <froust> do you have synaptic in debian?
[08:54] <theine> it's not my machine and I guess somebody messed with it before I came
[08:54] <help_please> does any one here knows C++ or knows a channel about help on C++
[08:54] <theine> froust: yes
[08:54] <tritium> theine, did you try "testing", rather than "sarge"?
[08:54] <theine> tritium: yes
[08:55] <subterrific> help_please: whats the problem?
[08:55] <froust> try synaptic?
[08:55] <Ileden> help_please: I have limited C++ knowledge, but I don't know any C++ channels.
[08:55] <theine> froust: yes, i'll do that
[08:55] <froust> that's an odd error tho
[08:55] <kent> help_please,  have you looked at #c++  ?
[08:56] <help_please> ya i'm looking at it
[08:56] <help_please> ok does any one knows how to convert an integer to the class string ?
[08:56] <theine> froust: definately
[08:56] <tritium> theine, you've got me stumped
[08:57] <froust> how's the synaptic goign?
[08:57] <theine> Wow, this synaptic version must be at least 5 years old...
[08:58] <subterrific> help_please: yes, there are several ways, depending on which libraries you want to use
[08:58] <t31> how can i uninstall firestarter?
[08:58] <kent> help_please, strtoi (or something does that, as far as i know..)
[08:58] <subterrific> help_please: one way is to use snprintf, thats the more C style way, the C++ style way would be to use an iostream
[08:59] <subterrific> kent: read his question, he wants int to str
[08:59] <theine> froust: doesn't work either
[08:59] <kent> subterrific, oh.. well, i was just taking care of his next quiestion, which i know becaus i know the future ;)
[09:00] <froust> hrm.
[09:00] <froust> can you upgrade your apt-get or synaptic?
[09:01] <help_please> any other method anyone knows of converting int to string ?
[09:01] <theine> froust: maybe, but i think i go for backports instead
[09:01] <froust> backports?
[09:01] <subterrific> help_please: those are the two standard ways, pretty much any other method will be based on those.
[09:02] <theine> froust: www.backports.org
[09:02] <theine> froust: newer packages build against the old woody libraries
[09:02] <Ileden> help_please: if I remember correctly, you can also call some function of the class String to do it...
[09:02] <subterrific> help_please: help_please http://www.cplusplus.com/ref/iostream/stringstream/
[09:02] <tranceConscious> how do i change the root password after installation???
[09:02] <froust> you've defintiely got a weird error going on
[09:03] <subterrific> help_please: or http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man3/snprintf.3.html
[09:03] <Ileden> tranceConscious: there is something about that in the documentation, iirc.
[09:03] <help_please> ok let me check
[09:04] <tranceConscious> how do i change the root password after installation???.
[09:04] <tranceConscious> how do i change the root password after installation???
[09:04] <Agrajag> tranceConscious: you only need to ask once
[09:05] <froust> sudo su-
[09:05] <froust> then your password
[09:05] <froust> then you're root
[09:05] <froust> then passwd
[09:05] <Agrajag> tranceConscious: you don't need a root password, and I advise against setting one.
[09:05] <froust> or launch a root console
[09:05] <froust> but yeah... what Agrajag said
[09:05] <Agrajag> just use sudo, and your own password.
[09:05] <help_please> guys my problem solved
[09:05] <subterrific> help_please: using stringstream, it'd go something like this: stringstream ss; ss << 10; string mystring = ss.str();
[09:05] <help_please> stringstream does the job
[09:05] <help_please> thanks for the hlep
[09:05] <Agrajag> sudo -c if you just want a root shell
[09:05] <tranceConscious> sudo su- asks for a password i don't know
[09:05] <tranceConscious> how do i change the root password after installation???
[09:05] <froust> its your password
[09:05] <Agrajag> tranceConscious: yes you do.
[09:05] <Agrajag> tranceConscious: sudo uses your own password.
[09:06] <Agrajag> As I said, I advise against setting a root password
[09:06] <Agrajag> You can use sudo to run any program with root priveleges, using your password.
[09:06] <tranceConscious> got it
[09:06] <tranceConscious> sudo su -
[09:07] <Agrajag> yes, that'll get you to a root shell
[09:07] <tritium> tranceConscious, "sudo passwd root" if you absolutely must give root a password
[09:07] <tranceConscious> su[space] -
[09:07] <Agrajag> tranceConscious: sudo -c works too
[09:12] <Meekle> hello
[09:12] <Meekle> is anyone here?
[09:12] <FuNgEx> hello
[09:13] <Ileden> hi
[09:13] <FuNgEx> could not install kdevelop
[09:13] <Meekle> hey- I just came over from mandrake and i have a few problems
[09:13] <Meekle> like getting into gnome
[09:13] <Meekle> or any xwindows would be fine
[09:14] <Agrajag> you don't even get a login prompt?
[09:14] <Agrajag> in gdm that is
[09:14] <Meekle> naw, i fixed that- now i get a login prompt
[09:14] <Agrajag> Does it just dump you to a console?
[09:14] <Agrajag> oh
[09:14] <Meekle> it dumps me to a bank screen with a mouse
[09:14] <Agrajag> so X works fine then
[09:14] <Agrajag> hm
[09:14] <Meekle> a sort of brownish grayish screen
[09:14] <Meekle> where there is nothing to click on or do
[09:15] <Meekle> the only thing i can do is quit it
[09:15] <chapter3> hey all
[09:15] <Cred> Hi
[09:15] <Meekle> hey chapter
[09:15] <Agrajag> Did you keep your home partition from mandrake?
[09:15] <chapter3> i keep seeing a message "new mail in /var/mail/username", why would i be getting mail on my local system, and how can i check it?
[09:15] <Cred> Hey, is there any good graphical CVS tools for Gnome?
[09:15] <Meekle> type mail
[09:15] <Agrajag> Could be something screwy in your old gnome settings
[09:16] <chapter3> ahh, it's from Debconf
[09:16] <Meekle> i don't have old gnome settings, clean install
[09:16] <Meekle> i deleted the old partition
[09:17] <Ileden> did gnome work when you had mandrake installed? or did you use kde?
[09:17] <Meekle> i couldn't even see a login without going to  cntrol-alt-f1 before i tried installing the nvidia drivers
[09:17] <Meekle> gnome worked fine
[09:19] <Meekle> when i start into failsafe terminal its all scrunched up in the bottom right corner
[09:19] <Meekle> so i think something is wrong
[09:19] <Meekle> but i don't know what or how to fix it
[09:20] <Ileden> well, I'm new to linux myself so can't help you. :(
[09:21] <Meekle> grrr
[09:21] <Meekle> ok
[09:21] <Meekle> don't know what's wrong
[09:21] <TheSnowMan> how do i upgrade alsa? anyone knows?
[09:22] <Klon> Meekle: failsafe terminal was always in the bottom right for me
[09:22] <Ileden> sounds like you could try upgrading all the packages concerning X-windows, display adapter and gnome.
[09:22] <Meekle> hmmm
[09:22] <Ileden> but I don't know how to do that :)
[09:23] <seth_> how can i burn a bin/cue image ?
[09:23] <Meekle> i just installed the display driver off of apt-get
[09:23] <Klon> Meekle, what display driver is that?
[09:23] <Ileden> well, that should be the latest then...
[09:23] <TheSnowMan> anyone knows, please, alsa is gong nuts and doesnt always launch correclty...
[09:23] <Meekle> i would think so
[09:23] <Meekle> nvidia
[09:23] <mz2> TheSnowMan, be a bit more precise, please
[09:24] <Meekle> wait- something is happening
[09:24] <Meekle> now it says unbuntu
[09:24] <Meekle> oh heavens
[09:24] <Meekle> it's loading
[09:24] <Meekle> gnome is back!
[09:24] <TheSnowMan> how more precise? i want do upgrade alsa to the latest version, how do i do it?
[09:24] <scizzo> Se7h: convert it to iso first
[09:24] <Klon> Meekle, did you come over from mandrake
[09:24] <Klon> *?
[09:24] <Se7h> how?
[09:24] <Meekle> yeah
[09:24] <Agrajag> Meekle: what did you change? anything?
[09:24] <Meekle> um
[09:24] <Agrajag> or did it just magically work?
[09:25] <Meekle> i restarted again
[09:25] <Agrajag> oh
[09:25] <Agrajag> weird
[09:25] <Meekle> yeah
[09:25] <Meekle> i thought i could restart gnome without restarting, but i guess i had to restart
[09:25] <Agrajag> you should be able to
[09:26] <maciek> Hello, anybody know how to run device-manager?? It crash when i run it...
[09:26] <mirak> does the mails in maildir imap folders have a unique name ? I would like to merge to maildir folders, I am not sure if this can work without conflicts or breakage
[09:26] <mirak> two/to
[09:27] <Meekle> ok
[09:27] <Meekle> hmmm
[09:27] <Meekle> now i should... um
[09:27] <Meekle> figure out how to install ndiswrapper
[09:27] <Meekle> yay
[09:27] <Meekle> what fun
[09:27] <jocheX> hi everyone
[09:28] <Meekle> gotta love how laptops are so proprietary
[09:28] <FuNgEx> why install that?
[09:28] <Meekle> so i can use my wireless card
[09:28] <Meekle> they don't have a native linux driver for it yet
[09:28] <FuNgEx> hmmm
[09:29] <FuNgEx> use ipw-firmware or something
[09:29] <Meekle> ipw-firmware?
[09:30] <FuNgEx> Meekle: in the instalation didn't it find your wireless card or something?
[09:30] <Meekle> no
[09:30] <Meekle> i dont think so
[09:30] <FuNgEx> was it turned on?
[09:30] <jocheX> i have a noob queswtuion (sorry my engish) i have buntu on hda5 and win on hda1, i need to install win98 on hda1, but when i  intall win98 will delete grub, how i can re-intall grub and bott linux in a normal way?
[09:30] <Meekle> its internal
[09:31] <TheSnowMan> when i type apt-get alsa it types back:invalid operation alsa
[09:31] <djtansey> does anyone here know how to turn power off to a specific USB port? (i have a usb mouse that has a stupid light on it. i would like to be able to turn that off in my acpi scripts when i close the lid then have it come back on when i open the lid again.)
[09:31] <TheSnowMan> anyone?
[09:31] <root____> Hi
[09:31] <FuNgEx> Meekle: internal? But still your laptop must have a way to unplug it
[09:31] <maciek> djtansey, : good idea...
[09:31] <FuNgEx> Meekle: it is a centrino right?
[09:32] <root____> Can anyone give me some help with linux ?
[09:32] <Meekle> um, yeah... it's a pentium mobile
[09:32] <djtansey> maciek: if it worked. any ideas?
[09:32] <Meekle> with an internal wireless card
[09:32] <FuNgEx> Meekle: that's right
[09:32] <maciek> djtansey: nope... sorry...
[09:32] <root____> Who can I talk to about linux on here ?
[09:32] <FuNgEx> Meekle: 11Mbps?
[09:33] <Ileden> root_: well, anyone :)
[09:33] <Meekle> the network i'm connecting to is
[09:33] <Meekle> my card supports up to 54
[09:33] <root____> Who is the most knowledgable ?
[09:33] <FuNgEx> hmmmm
[09:33] <FuNgEx> ok
[09:33] <lmurillo> root____, just ask
[09:33] <FuNgEx> centrino 2mb cache
[09:33] <maciek> root____: God :D
[09:33] <Meekle> its not intel, if thats what you mean
[09:34] <Meekle> i think it's broadcom
[09:34] <root____> Am I just talking to you guys or am I in the main chat ?
[09:34] <Meekle> you're in the main chat
[09:34] <scizzo> root____: just ask the question
[09:34] <root____> Im not used to IRC on linux used to mirc on windows
[09:34] <Ileden> root: uh? You're talking on the channel #ubuntu. Anything you type, we all see.
[09:35] <scizzo> root____: you should then start to use a normal user for IRC and not root
[09:35] <FuNgEx> Meekle: i dont know if there are already drivers that support up to 54 mpbs
[09:35] <Meekle> i dont think there are linux drivers at all for this particular card
[09:35] <Meekle> i'm pretty sure there aren't
[09:35] <root____> I need help choosing the right libpcap library for my version of linux Ubuntu I am going to install ethereal
[09:36] <FuNgEx> the generic drivers should work
[09:36] <FuNgEx> let me see something here
[09:37] <root____> ?
[09:37] <Meekle> also- it doesnt seem to find a sound card
[09:38] <FuNgEx> Meekle i found something in some brazilian site about broadcom wireless card with linux
[09:38] <FuNgEx> let me see it in more detail
[09:38] <randabis> I think broadcom cards can work with ndiswrapper
[09:39] <randabis> driverloader is another option, but it's not free
[09:39] <FuNgEx> Meekle: randabis is right... ndiswrapper with windows driver should be the answer
[09:40] <Meekle> yeah
[09:40] <Meekle> that's what i was going to do
[09:40] <Meekle> um
[09:40] <Meekle> why can't it tell that i have a sound card?
[09:41] <Meekle> and is there a way to update firefox with apt-get?
[09:41] <Meekle> it has an older version
[09:41] <Se7h> scizzo how can i convert it to iso ?
[09:41] <Meekle> i thought 1.0 was the current
[09:41] <FuNgEx> Meekle: you should try the backapps
[09:41] <trilluser> hy
[09:42] <trilluser>   i have a lilte mouse problem
[09:42] <trilluser> could anyone helpme?
[09:42] <FuNgEx> Meekle: backports
[09:42] <FuNgEx> sorry
[09:42] <Meekle> backports?
[09:42] <maciek> i have usb mouse problem too...
[09:42] <mcphail> You can download the current firefox and change /usr/bin/firefox to a simlink to the current
[09:42] <Meekle> ok
[09:42] <FuNgEx> Meekle: try search for backports in the ubuntu site
[09:42] <mcphail> the backports should also work
[09:43] <Meekle> what are those?
[09:43] <mcphail> i'll get you the url
[09:43] <trilluser> the thing is that after running xf86config several times the mouse apears to don NOTHINGGGG
[09:44] <mz2> TheSnowMan, how about apt-get install alsa :)
[09:44] <trilluser> is there a solution or should i install debian?
[09:44] <TheSnowMan> mz2, tried that...
[09:44] <TheSnowMan> wouldnt work
[09:44] <Meekle> ok
[09:44] <Meekle> i'll search for those
[09:44] <FuNgEx> Meekle: try this page ubuntuguide.org
[09:45] <maciek> when i plug my usb mouse and boot into linux it hang on hotplug service..
[09:45] <randabis> backports are hoary packages ported backwards to work with warty
[09:45] <mcphail> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[09:46] <Meekle> gnome doesn't seem to believe that i am connected to the internet
[09:46] <Meekle> i mean it says it has sent and recieved packets
[09:46] <mz2> TheSnowMan, do you even have the repositories set up properly? again it would be interesting to know what sort of error message you get
[09:46] <Meekle> but when i try going to a site, or connecting with gaim
[09:46] <Meekle> no can do
[09:47] <trilluser> i think i have a similar error when i start
[09:47] <mg> anyone know why my fonts suddenly went ugly? ;-)
[09:47] <FuNgEx> very strange
[09:47] <mg> i can't see any obvious bug about it
[09:48] <Meekle> fixed it
[09:48] <Meekle> i had to load dhclient3 in the terminal window
[09:48] <Meekle> inside gnome
[09:48] <Meekle> even though it was working outside gnome
[09:48] <maciek> trilluser: with usb mouse ??
[09:49] <trilluser> no, sreial, net mouse pro
[09:49] <phlaegel> anybody else have a really broken panel after recent hoary upgrades?
[09:49] <trilluser> serial
[09:49] <mg> phlaegel: in what way? i often get a hung gnome desktop after upgrades. a reboot fixes it.
[09:49] <FuNgEx> Does anyone know why can't i issue g++ command
[09:50] <FuNgEx> i've gcc installed
[09:50] <FuNgEx> g++ installed
[09:50] <phlaegel> mg, nothing on the panels respond to clicks, some applets (like the clock) are missing
[09:50] <mcphail> g++ is installed? what does "which g++" say?
[09:50] <FuNgEx> nothing
[09:50] <trilluser> ok, by, i think i'll try suse, thank's anyway
[09:51] <FuNgEx> i'll try issuing reinstall through synaptic
[09:51] <mcphail> is g++ really installed? (need to add on to gcc)
[09:51] <mg> phlaegel: hmm, mine never gets that far when it hangs. i know it's drastic for linux, but it might be worth trying a reboot.
[09:51] <Skwid__> hum, can somebody help me in english ? :)
[09:51] <mg> phlaegel: i killed off every one of my processes and that didn't fix it :-/
[09:51] <Skwid__> whats the word for 'skiing outside the slope' ??
[09:52] <mg> off piste?
[09:52] <phlaegel> mg: I already rebooted, since I upgraded to 2.6.10 as well
[09:52] <Skwid__> mg: thats french :
[09:52] <FuNgEx> yes
[09:52] <Skwid__> =)
[09:52] <FuNgEx> gcc is installed
[09:52] <mg> heh, english is full of french. and vice-versa.
[09:52] <Skwid__> no but seriously ..
[09:52] <mcphail> but g++ itself?
[09:52] <FuNgEx> and g++ was installed too on the synaptic package manager
[09:52] <FuNgEx> yes
[09:53] <FuNgEx> g++ itsef
[09:53] <FuNgEx> i'm marking it for reinstallation
[09:53] <vijay> i am new to ubuntu
[09:53] <mcphail> is it the same version as the installed gcc?
[09:53] <FuNgEx> yes
[09:53] <vijay> can someone brief me
[09:53] <FuNgEx> 3.4
[09:53] <keyshawn> on what vijay
[09:53] <vijay> on ubuntu 4.10
[09:53] <FuNgEx> vijay: visit http://ubuntuguide.org
[09:54] <mcphail> might be sufficient to make g++ a simlink to gcc
[09:54] <FuNgEx> that's unofficial
[09:54] <vijay> thanks FuNgEx
[09:55] <vijay> seems cool
[09:55] <FuNgEx> vijay: no problem
[09:55] <vijay> bye will meet you guys again, liked ubuntu a lot
[09:55] <FuNgEx> mcphail: thx
[09:55] <FuNgEx> vijay: join the club
[09:55] <vijay> how
[09:56] <mcphail> my gcc 3.3.4 works fine. ? change to this one ?
[09:56] <spiraloid> ntfs support for mount. how?
[09:56] <vijay> how should i do that FuNgEx
[09:56] <Gagatan> a bit OT, but I'll try anyway.. I've inherited sourcecode -> python-krb5, which needs some work done on it. anyone interested in joining in? The intention is to debianize it and make it part of the official debian archives
[09:57] <FuNgEx> vijay: join the club is just an expression, saying that everyone on this channel liked ubuntu
[09:57] <keyshawn> it's figurative, vijay :D
[09:57] <FuNgEx> :D
[09:57] <keyshawn> heh.
[09:57] <vijay> okay
[09:57] <mg> is there anything other than fc-cache --force i can try to make my fonts look nice again?
[09:57] <vijay> anyway i can add you as my buddy FuNgEx
[09:57] <vijay> and keyshawn
[09:58] <keyshawn> thanks.
[09:58] <StoneTable> woah. Where'd I get Comfortably Numb, performed by NIN, Pink Floyd, and David Bowie o.O
[09:58] <StoneTable> err, wrong channel
[09:58] <keyshawn> [im just about to install ubuntu] 
[09:58] <keyshawn> i do have a q about lilo that wasn't in the wiki.
[09:58] <yojimbosan> Yesterday I was recommended to install 'ubutu-desktop' on my Warty system that was originally installed without X. Now I get an error about gconfd when I try to log in from GDM ... any ideas?
[09:59] <FuNgEx> vijay go ahead, must confess you that i'm as new as you to ubuntu
[09:59] <FuNgEx> joined yesterday
[09:59] <FuNgEx> :)
[09:59] <vijay> cool
[09:59] <vijay> i just tried the ubuntu live cd and it looks cool
[09:59] <FuNgEx> but i've been here in this channel asking questions...
[09:59] <FuNgEx> you should try the real thing
[09:59] <FuNgEx> :D
[10:00] <Meekle> whoooooooooo i just typed apt-get upgrade for the hell of it
[10:00] <Meekle> bad idea
[10:00] <vijay> i know, but i am already facing problems
[10:00] <vijay> i cannot boot into my windows xp after ubuntu
[10:00] <FuNgEx> vijay: like what?
[10:00] <keyshawn> yoji, what does the error say ?
[10:00] <vijay> it gives me an error message
[10:00] <im_ka> what's a good dc client? i find dcgui not that good
[10:01] <FuNgEx> my instalation went quite well
[10:01] <vijay> root ( hd0,0)
[10:01] <maciek> vijay: so, You are free now :-)
[10:01] <FuNgEx> everything worked perfectly
[10:01] <vijay> file system unknown
[10:01] <yojimbosan> keyshawn, it's a bit error box that talks about the gconf database not being found, and provides lots of hints about ORBIT and NFS ... none of which seem appropriate
[10:01] <vijay> partition type 0x7
[10:01] <keyshawn> hmm.. i dunno.
[10:01] <keyshawn> im_ka, i'm not aware of any other dc clients out there for nix.
[10:01] <vijay> chainloader +1
[10:01] <FuNgEx> vijay try search that in www.ubuntulinux.org
[10:02] <vijay> this is what it shows
[10:02] <mcphail> vijay: sounds like the kernel 2.6 partition table bug again
[10:02] <vijay> can you help mcphail
[10:02] <FuNgEx> i've heard that the next 5.10 hoary version would have that solved
[10:02] <vijay> i have some important doc's in my winxp
[10:02] <vijay> have to get them before i shift to ubuntu
[10:03] <mcphail> vijay: not really as i haven't experienced it myself. DON'T PANIC. There is a lot of stuff on google
[10:03] <vijay> fc3 was fine, loaded both win xp and fc3
[10:03] <vijay> well i tried to change grub from ubuntu as for what i searched from google
[10:03] <vijay> no luck
[10:04] <mcphail> google for linux lba geometry windows
[10:04] <keyshawn> i'd try posting your dilemma on the forum.
[10:04] <vijay> what is that mcphail
[10:04] <keyshawn> g2g - im off to install 4.10
[10:04] <mcphail> just type the 4 words into google and follow the links. Lots of people have had this prob
[10:05] <lmurillo> ok, I'm gone, bye
[10:05] <maciek> when i plug my usb mouse and boot into linux it hang on hotplug service.. can anybody help ??
[10:06] <Meekle> ok... it's mostly done downloading all of the shit i accidentally had it download
[10:07] <FuNgEx> BRB
[10:07] <Meekle> oh well
[10:07] <vijay> what are those four words
[10:07] <rovragge> how do I with apt-cache list all packages with version number 6.8.1-1ubuntu9
[10:08] <rovragge> or some other tool, non-gui preferably
[10:08] <yojimbosan> rov: apt-cache search . | grep 6.8.1-1ubuntu9
[10:08] <rovragge> yojimbosan: search does not list version numbers, only names
[10:09] <yojimbosan> right, should have tried it first, eh ...
[10:09] <yojimbosan> do you want installed packages only?
[10:10] <rovragge> no, available ones
[10:10] <rovragge> tried apt-cache pkgnames | xargs apt-cache show 2>&1 | grep 6.8.1
[10:10] <rovragge> but that gives lots of garbage as well
[10:11] <abelli> is there any dc++ gui for debian?
[10:12] <yojimbosan> rov: thinking ...
[10:12] <rovragge> yojimbosan: got it..
[10:12] <rovragge> yojimbosan: a lot of pipe grep and sed
[10:13] <rovragge> abelli: valknut.. has some nice features like swarming downloads, but the gui sucks
[10:13] <yojimbosan> yep, that's where I'm headed :0-)
[10:13] <abelli> rovragge: thank you
[10:14] <abelli> rovragge: sorry i cant find it..
[10:14] <abelli> is it in any rep?
[10:15] <rovragge> it's probably called dcgui-qt for earlier versions
[10:15] <im_ka> my hd is becoming too tight. will my system work if i "clone" this hd (read: copy it as it is), and replace it with the clone?
[10:15] <abelli> rovragge: thanks
[10:16] <im_ka> by replacing, i mean on the same bus, etc.
[10:16] <yojimbosan> rov: no sed ... apt-cache pkgnames|xargs apt-cache show|egrep "(Package|Version)" |grep -B1 " 6.8.1"
[10:16] <yojimbosan> space before the version number is important (I have no 6.8.1 packages ....)
[10:16] <rovragge> yojimbosan: thanks
[10:16] <rovragge> yojimbosan: i'm running debian sid + trying ubuntu xorg packages
[10:17] <FuNgEx> Back
[10:17] <FuNgEx> mcphail: g++ still not working
[10:17] <yojimbosan> that sounds potentially very painful, rov, but good luck!
[10:17] <rovragge> maybe installing all packages with version 6.8.1-1ubuntu9 wasn't that bright, but i'll try
[10:18] <yojimbosan> im_ka - the 'dd' command will be your friend. Basically, yes, your approcah will work
[10:18] <FuNgEx> Anyone know a good cd/dvd recording for gnome as k3b is for KDE?
[10:19] <mcphail> FuNgEx: is gcc itself working?
[10:19] <yojimbosan> fungex - k3b from universe :-)
[10:19] <FuNgEx> i need to burn an iso to a cd
[10:19] <FuNgEx> mcphail: yes
[10:19] <mcphail> Nautilus will burn it
[10:19] <yojimbosan> nautuilus cd wroter burns ISOs happily, just right-click on them
[10:19] <FuNgEx> yojimbosan: i would have to install kde-base and libs
[10:19] <FuNgEx> nautilus hein?
[10:20] <dags> how do i activate my scrollwheel? xev respond to all my buttons except when scrolling the wheel
[10:20] <yojimbosan> nothing wrong with having kdebase on your system, in general :) well, for a workstation, anyway.
[10:21] <mcphail> FuNgEx: try sudo ln -s /usr/bin/gcc /usr/bin/g++
[10:21] <Meekle> ok- now my resolution just died
[10:21] <Meekle> wtf???
[10:21] <Meekle> i restarted and i can't get my resolution back
[10:22] <dags> zaxisswapping 4 5, button 7 in xfreeconfig but no reaction. even the thumpbuttons work
[10:22] <Meekle> it actually originally figured out that i was supposed to have a 1920x1200 resolution
[10:22] <Meekle> and now it is giving me a 640x480
[10:23] <Meekle> i dont' want to have to go in and edit the xfconfig file
[10:23] <stu-pid> hi I ordered ubuntu cd -s 2month ago,still not here do you know howlong it takes them to send it?
[10:23] <rovragge> Meekle: if you type '
[10:23] <FuNgEx> mcphail: that worked
[10:23] <rovragge> Meekle: xrandr
[10:24] <rovragge> what resolutions are available there?
[10:24] <Meekle> 640x480 and 320 x 240
[10:24] <mcphail> FuNgEx: excellent
[10:24] <FuNgEx> mcphail: thx
[10:25] <FuNgEx> but isn't that a hack
[10:25] <mcphail> No. I think g++ is usually just a simlink
[10:25] <Meekle> which is funny cause my xf86config-4 file seems to have the right resolutions in it
[10:25] <rovragge> look in you xserver log files for rows marked EE and WW
[10:26] <FuNgEx> mcphail: Live and Learn
[10:26] <Meekle> how do i find the xserver log file?
[10:26] <FuNgEx> 2 days and learned a lot already
[10:27] <itom> hi all
[10:28] <mcphail> FuNgEx: worth trying Linux From Scratch when you have a spare weekend
[10:29] <FuNgEx> I can see that :D
[10:29] <stu-pid> hi I ordered ubuntu cd -s 2month ago,still not here do you know howlong it takes them to send it?
[10:29] <Meekle> how do i check the xserver logs????
[10:30] <FuNgEx> Another thing... isn't nautilus supposed to come with Ubuntu by default?
[10:30] <FuNgEx> can't seem to find it
[10:30] <kosmonautti> yeah
[10:30] <mcphail> stu-pid: ages. They send them in batches.
[10:30] <Agrajag> find it?
[10:30] <stu-pid> ok
[10:30] <Agrajag> FuNgEx:  See the icons on your desktop?
[10:30] <dags> FuNgEx, computer->home
[10:30] <FuNgEx> Ok
[10:30] <FuNgEx> dumb question :D
[10:31] <mcphail> FuNgEx: nautilus looks different from GNOME 2.6 onwards
[10:31] <FuNgEx> can it erase cdrws too?
[10:31] <FuNgEx> ok
[10:31] <mcphail> dunno
[10:31] <FuNgEx> again dumb question
[10:31] <FuNgEx> Thx you all :D
[10:31] <dags> it erases automatically when burning, dont know if you can do it manually
[10:31] <FuNgEx> very nice integration
[10:31] <will_> veeerry nice!
[10:31] <FuNgEx> everyday i'm a step closer to remove windows from my system...
[10:32] <FuNgEx> or at least to use it just for .Net development
[10:32] <will_> FuNgEx:i keep it for games
[10:32] <Meekle> how do i check the xserver logs?
[10:32] <FuNgEx> will_: that too :D
[10:32] <kosmonautti> A Tip: Kernel 2.6.10 seems to get powernow-k8 properly working under Ubuntu :) As I was experiencing "BIOS Error: numpst must be 1" but it is now gone by the emergence of Hoary and 2.6.10 on my comp :)
[10:32] <mcphail> Tried Mono for .NET?
[10:32] <_martin> Do you have a specific problem, Meekle
[10:33] <Meekle> yeah i upgraded using apt-get upgrade
[10:33] <Meekle> and then decided to restart
[10:33] <FuNgEx> yep... but many things are still missing
[10:33] <Meekle> and now the highest resolution i can get is 640x480
[10:33] <mcphail> Haven't ventured into c# yet...
[10:33] <FuNgEx> mcphail: they could catch up with .Net 1.1 and now there's even .Net 2.0
[10:33] <FuNgEx> so...
[10:33] <kosmonautti> Meekle: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:33] <FuNgEx> It's my favorite language now
[10:34] <mcphail> Heard good things, but the whole patent thing is a but worrying
[10:34] <_martin> Did you get that, Meekle?
[10:34] <mcphail> s/but/bit
[10:35] <mcphail> Any Mono IDEs on ubuntu?
[10:35] <Meekle> yeah, i'm working on it
[10:35] <FuNgEx> mcphail: yes... that's a pain in the but... but generics and everything
[10:35] <FuNgEx> i've installed from universe... monodevelop
[10:36] <FuNgEx> i guess
[10:36] <_martin> I'd like to see Mono with Gtk# in Hoary
[10:36] <FuNgEx> i just added a bunch of repositories
[10:36] <FuNgEx> then searched for mono
[10:36] <FuNgEx> and there it was
[10:36] <tux_> lo
[10:36] <FuNgEx> perhaps: backports
[10:37] <mcphail> Must try it
[10:37] <tux_> having openssl problems
[10:37] <tux_> checking for main in -lcrypto... no
[10:37] <tux_> configure: error: OpenSSL crypto library missing.
[10:37] <tux_> anyone come across this ?
[10:37] <FuNgEx> it's quite good
[10:37] <tux_> its doing my head in :/
[10:37] <mcphail> Think I can help you tux_
[10:37] <bassinboy> chibifs: do you use the xfce4 RC 3 installer? i get Checking for Gtk+ >= 2.2.0... not found,
[10:38] <tux_> i even upgraded to the 0.97e ver.
[10:38] <tux_> then when recompiling the particular program , it still quita
[10:38] <tux_> *quits
[10:39] <_martin> tux: Isn't openssl in Warty already?
[10:39] <rovragge> in which package is /lib/lsb/init-functions ?
[10:40] <Meekle> this doesn't have my resolution in it
[10:40] <tux_> _martin, yes
[10:40] <FuNgEx> i'm buying a new computer just to have windows there... and the laptop will be Ubuntu's property :D
[10:40] <tux_> openssl has been working grand up till now
[10:41] <kosmonautti> FuNgEx: Be sure to buy Athlon64-based laptot :)
[10:41] <kosmonautti> laptop*
[10:41] <kosmonautti> oh...nvm
[10:41] <kosmonautti> a64-based comp
[10:41] <bassinboy> what sources do you use for amd64?
[10:41] <FuNgEx> ;) i will
[10:42] <FuNgEx> want a barebone
[10:42] <_martin> tux: Could you not run something like apt-get build-dep openssl and get all the sources needed to build from scratch?
[10:43] <mcphail> tux_: is libcrypto.so pointing to the wrong version since an upgrade? Can you change the simlink?
[10:43] <tux_> i think it could be this particular program
[10:44] <tux_> openssl was working fine until now
[10:44] <tux_> hmm ok brb
[10:46] <FuNgEx> after synaptic download and install how can we get rid of the packages we download?
[10:47] <FuNgEx> does it do it by itself?
[10:48] <randabis> sudo apt-get clean
[10:48] <randabis> in aa term
[10:49] <FuNgEx> thats something missing in synaptics
[10:49] <FuNgEx> thx randabis
[10:50] <rovragge> gdm restarts all the time, but startx works, it says "failsafe dialog failed (inhibitions: 0 0)" in /var/log/daemon.log
[10:50] <rob0> The FAQ says that every package in Debian is in Ubuntu. I enabled (un|mult)iverse and it's not so. What am I missing?
[10:50] <Agrajag> try debian-marillat
[10:51] <rob0> Specifically I'm looking for xastir, which for Debian says it is available in apt-get
[10:51] <Agrajag> that has stuff like libdvdcss
[10:51] <Agrajag> oh
[10:51] <FuNgEx> rob0: try http://ubuntuguide.org
[10:52] <mjr> if the faq says that flat-out, it's a bit incorrect; basically the part of debian that compiles cleanly against ubuntu is available in universe, which means that there may be a few omissions
[10:53] <rob0> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/  <-- those lines?
[10:53] <mcphail> Don't think it's in marillat...
[10:57] <ions> why does it keep telling me I have new mail at the command line?
[10:57] <ions> Ubuntu comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by
[10:57] <ions> applicable law.
[10:57] <ions> You have new mail.
[10:57] <mcphail> type mail
[10:57] <Agrajag> it's messages from cron jobs
[10:57] <Agrajag> and debconf
[10:57] <ions> oh, yes so it is
[10:58] <rob0> It's not in marillat. Hmmm.
[10:59] <ions> alright, how do I get rid of it?
[10:59] <mcphail> type mail and read it (type number for each message)
[11:00] <ions> I did type mail and I am "reading" it but now I'm stuck in an endless string of '& AT EOF'
[11:01] <gonebob> type q'
[11:01] <gonebob> 'q'
[11:01] <esac> ok i tried debian 3.1, but it seems it doesnt have evolution-exchange. it does in SID, but i tried to install it and it didnt run. anybody actually used evolution-exchange in ubuntu ?
[11:01] <ions> Unknown command: "q"
[11:01] <ions> Ctrl-d got me out
[11:01] <mz2> why is my desktop not updated when i add files onto it?
[11:02] <mcphail> man mail
[11:02] <mz2> and how is the menu editing supposed to work in nautilus? i've tried adding launchers via sudo applications:// and they only show up to root, not the other users
[11:03] <mz2> so is there even a non-user-specific way of adding stuff to the gnome menu?
[11:03] <mcphail> mz2: Applications -> (hover on trunk until branch appears) -> (hover on branch apps and right click)
[11:04] <mcphail> Don't right click on the main menu tree
[11:04] <umarmung> mz2, applications-all-users:///
[11:05] <Ileden> ok, a real simple question: where can I find the firefox icon to the firefox shortcut? :)
[11:05] <mz2> umarmung, oh, cool! thanks
[11:06] <mcphail> mz2: If apps add to menu when installed, you won't see them until GNOME is restarted
[11:07] <umarmung> mcphail, not true, if famd/gamin is running they should show without restart
[11:07] <mz2> mcphail, hmm? i don't believe that, as i've already seen the menu updated instantenuosly after an install
[11:08] <mcphail> I've always had to restart...
[11:08] <mz2> umarmung, do you have idea about that other question I asked, of how my Desktop folder doesn't update (everything else does, really snappily even) when I add files onto it
[11:09] <umarmung> mz2, i dont know for sure, but i suspect it's a problem with famd/gamin. I have no solution, sorry.
[11:10] <mz2> hmm that applications:/// doesn't seem to work, not at least quickly
[11:12] <mz2> do i have to enable something in gconf perhaps to make it work?
[11:13] <umarmung> mz2, you edit applications-all-users:/// as root/with sudo?
[11:13] <mz2> with sudo
[11:13] <mz2> yep
[11:15] <SirFred> I have not that applications:/// location.
[11:15] <spunout> Quick Question:  Wiped out my MBR with a Fedora Install (mistake).  Fedora labels my sata drive sda1, while Ubuntu labeled it hda1 (i think).  I booted fedora, chrooted into /mnt/sda1 (Ubuntu),  --->Now how do I mount the /proc/ before i do a grub-install?
[11:16] <Unholyfuneral> well this Ubuntu Linux 4.10: The Warty Warthog works pretty good
[11:16] <mz2> nope, can only see it with the root user
[11:17] <gonebob> spunout: you can grub install not in the chroot
[11:17] <gonebob> spunout: grub reads the config data at boot time
[11:17] <mz2> it = the launcher i just created
[11:17] <Unholyfuneral> can you install warty to an harddrive
[11:18] <Unholyfuneral> or is it only live
[11:18] <froust> Unholyfuneral: yup
[11:18] <gonebob> Unholyfuneral: the main point is to install it
[11:18] <gonebob> the live CD is sort of a.. bonus
[11:18] <froust> livecd?
[11:18] <froust> how so?
[11:18] <spunout> gonebob: run grub-install but point it at the grub info in the Ubuntu partition, not the fedora partition I am booted into?
[11:19] <Unholyfuneral> well its play sound this is the first ver of linux i had that would
[11:22] <Unholyfuneral> so gonebob i can install this and use it as an installed linix
[11:22] <gonebob> yes
[11:22] <froust> Unholyfuneral: if it's an isntall cd, yes
[11:22] <gonebob> you need to download the install CD
[11:22] <Unholyfuneral> ah
[11:22] <Unholyfuneral> ok
[11:22] <froust> i'll fidn you the url
[11:22] <Unholyfuneral> sounds good
[11:23] <rob0> spunout, that is not a quick question :)
[11:23] <gonebob> spunout: just run grub-install
[11:23] <froust> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[11:23] <spunout> spunout: done that, didn't work
[11:24] <spunout> gonebob: done that.  didnt work.
[11:24] <mcphail> spunout: Are you binning Fedora? If not, why not just add ubuntu to the fedora menu.lst
[11:25] <gonebob> ah ok
[11:25] <darkmo0n> can someone help me with x configuration? I got a new lcd that i cant run at its native res
[11:25] <dreamer> darkmo0n: I had tha tproblem
[11:25] <dreamer> you need to edit the vsync and hsync settings
[11:26] <rob0> spunout, mount --bind /proc /mnt/whatever/proc # I think, check the man page
[11:26] <dreamer> er .. now if only I could remember where ;)
[11:26] <dreamer> xdefaults or something
[11:26] <darkmo0n> wheres that?
[11:26] <gonebob> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:28] <Craigory> Hello all -- I am unable to use a microphone in Ubuntu.  Any ideas?
[11:28] <darkmo0n> that reconfigure didnt ask me about display modes
[11:28] <rob0> mixer settings, mic is probably muted
[11:28] <dreamer> darkmo0n: hang on a tic
[11:29] <spunout> rob0: /whatever/ being the question, I guess...  if im chrooted into /mnt/sda1/   or would it work if i did it before the chroot?
[11:29] <Craigory> I've unmuted everything in gnome's mixer and alsamixer.  Sound works.  I don't hear myself speaking through the speakers.  Recording gives no errors, but produces silence.
[11:29] <darkmo0n> this is the error msg: (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "1600x1200" (no mode of this name)
[11:29] <rob0> spunout, you have to do that before you get into the chroot
[11:29] <spunout> ok
[11:29] <dreamer> it should be in /etc/X11
[11:30] <dreamer> add your resolution and hsync/vsync details for that monitor
[11:30] <dreamer> then restart x
[11:30] <Craigory> rob0 -- it is possible my mixer settings are still incorrect, but I have tried many combinations now.  Also I have checked both the alsa and oss devices.
[11:30] <darkmo0n> theres no file called xdefaults
[11:30] <darkmo0n> there
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> use that command to reconfigure X
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> (and use it with sudo, I am a retard)
[11:31] <darkmo0n> HrdwrBoB, i ran that, but it didnt ask me about modes
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> darkmo0n: what LCD do you have
[11:31] <rob0> Craigory, that would be my guess, check the "rec" and uncheck "mute" in the GNOME mixer.
[11:31] <darkmo0n> dell 2001fp
[11:32] <rob0> does Ubuntu have "alsaconf"? I use that in Slackware and it's almost always right.
[11:32] <Craigory> The microphone is unmuted, and the volume is at max.  This produces some hiss, but no useful output.
[11:32] <darkmo0n> theres 'alsamixer'
[11:32] <AndyR> anyone managed skype on ubuntu?
[11:33] <Craigory> Alsaconf is provided by (in the apt-get sense) the alsa-utils package, but there is no executable called "alsaconf" in the package.
[11:33] <JConnell> AndyR: I use skype on warty
[11:33] <rob0> so how (what) would I add to sources.list to get Debian source packages available? And then how to build and install those? Can synaptic do it, or is it a CLI job?
[11:33] <dreamer> oh it's .Xdefaults I think
[11:33] <dreamer> or you create one
[11:33] <AndyR> JConnell, what did you have to do to get it working?
[11:34] <wastrel> i'm downloading the livecd
[11:34] <Craigory> Debian source packages? Add this: deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/ unstable main contrib non-free
[11:34] <dreamer> darkmo0n: how long are you online? I could try putting my box back together if you have 15 minutes or so ;)
[11:35] <JConnell> AndyR: I just downloaded the tarball the static tarball
[11:35] <Craigory> So nobody has ideas about the microphone other than to unmute it?
[11:35] <JConnell> AndyR: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#skype
[11:35] <AndyR> thank you
[11:36] <rob0> Slackware puts alsaconf at /usr/sbin/alsaconf, and it's just a shell script, looks like it should work with any distro, more or less.
[11:36] <darkmo0n> i will be here for a while, but you dont have to do that
[11:37] <rob0> Craigory, if it's not executable, make it so, and run it. (But first you should unload all your ALSA modules ... can't do it from X.)
[11:37] <dreamer> it's just a matter of putting the hard drive back in and putting the box back together ;)
[11:37] <Craigory> There is no file called alsaconf on my system, or in the alsa-utils package.
[11:39] <spunout> mounted proc.  chrooted sda1(ubuntu).  grub-install /dev/hda says Could not find device for /boot: Not Found or not a block device
[11:40] <mellinux> Hey everyone. Could someone help me install the sound card on an old Gateway Pentium II Laptop?
[11:40] <rob0> Craigory, you can get that script from alsa-project.org, I bet ... or grab it from a Slackware mirror site.
[11:41] <Unholyfuneral> your going to need an ScrewDriver mellinux
[11:41] <Craigory> Ok, I'll give it a try.
[11:41] <Unholyfuneral> to get the case off
[11:41] <mellinux> Is that a program?
[11:41] <rob0> LOL
[11:41] <rob0> I think your leg was pulled, mellinux
[11:42] <mellinux> Who ccapitalizes the D in screwdriver?
[11:42] <Unholyfuneral> me and some one else
[11:42] <mellinux> Well, is that really necessary?
[11:43] <Unholyfuneral> i dont know never thought about it
[11:43] <mellinux> Is there not some way for Ubuntu to run a program to look for it?
[11:43] <Unholyfuneral> should be an hardware detector
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> oh good god
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> mellinux: ok, what laptop is it
[11:43] <mcphail> alsaconf conficts with alsa-utils
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> Unholyfuneral: please, be quiet
[11:44] <mellinux> Gateway
[11:44] <mellinux> Pentium II
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> model?
[11:44] <mellinux> hm... it's old =] 
[11:44] <mellinux> let me check
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> it'll be on the bottom, most likely
[11:44] <Unholyfuneral> Hrdwrbob im not playing around this time im looking for it
[11:45] <rob0> the sound card chip would be more useful information, and lsmod output ...
[11:45] <Unholyfuneral> i know is redhat it scans
[11:45] <mellinux> solo 9100
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> rob0: of that vintage it's likely not pci :(
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> though yes, can you paste the lspci output on pastebin.com
[11:46] <rob0> I have a P-II desktop with an onboard ISA sound chip, alsaconf finds it and sets it up
[11:46] <mellinux> gateway2000 solo9100
[11:46] <mellinux> it has working speakers, they're just not recognized by ubuntu
[11:46] <rob0> it also worked with an IBM thinkpad PII-233
[11:46] <mellinux> i can't run winXP because it doesn't like xp
[11:46] <mellinux> it being the laptop
[11:46] <mirak> fuck
[11:46] <mirak> I fucked up
[11:47] <mirak> lol
[11:47] <FuNgEx> lol
[11:47] <mirak> I send a motivation letter for a job
[11:47] <mirak> I did a mistake on the entreprise name
[11:47] <mirak> company
[11:47] <mirak> I did a cut and past
[11:47] <FuNgEx> OMFG
[11:47] <mirak> that's just a the end of the letter
[11:48] <mirak> now I wonder if I should resend it
[11:48] <mirak> or just do as if nothing
[11:48] <dreamer> screwing it together now ;)
[11:48] <Unholyfuneral> Mirak now all you got to do is figure out how to stuff the company in hrdwrbobs ass
[11:48] <dreamer> soon as I find my thumbscrews at least
[11:48] <mirak> Unholyfuneral: what ?
[11:48] <mirak> :)
[11:49] <Unholyfuneral> Mirak ive done the same thing
[11:49] <mirak> lol
[11:49] <mirak> hourray !
[11:49] <Unholyfuneral> im my resume i put symantic
[11:49] <Unholyfuneral> when i was applying for symantec
[11:49] <Unholyfuneral> that did not go over well
[11:49] <mirak> well this can be interpreted as a typo
[11:49] <mirak> Unholyfuneral: what do you mean ?
[11:50] <mirak> Unholyfuneral: it didn't worked ?
[11:50] <Unholyfuneral> yea well it was spelled right when i did it the spell check in word changed it
[11:50] <Unholyfuneral> did what work mirak
[11:50] <mirak> you got rejected ?
[11:50] <Unholyfuneral> no i got the job
[11:51] <mirak> did they remarked it ?
[11:51] <Unholyfuneral> I told them what happend
[11:51] <mellinux> Bob, any luck?
[11:51] <Unholyfuneral> they told me to sumbit a new resume
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> mellinux: hand on for a second
[11:51] <Unholyfuneral> they did not want that on file
[11:51] <mellinux> Okay.
[11:51] <mirak> Unholyfuneral: you told them this when ? during the interview ?
[11:52] <dreamer> booting ubuntu now
[11:52] <Unholyfuneral> yea they said we got a question i said what they said is this how you spell symantec
[11:52] <Unholyfuneral> I said no spell check changed it
[11:52] <Unholyfuneral> but it looked bad
[11:52] <mirak> lol
[11:53] <mirak> so you work for symanted
[11:53] <Unholyfuneral> spelling the company rong is not good
[11:53] <mirak> tec
[11:53] <Unholyfuneral> i was was techsupport
[11:53] <Unholyfuneral> for symantec
[11:53] <mirak> that pay well ?
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> spelling it wrong could be worse
[11:53] <Unholyfuneral> unitle they MOved most support to INDIA
[11:53] <madmatt> quick question -> i want to have a background for the login screen - i have a theme installed and it works fine, but when i enter the correct username/password it goes brown - i want that colour to be an image - i have select image and put the image in /home/madman/loginbg.png and the settings program previews it fine - is it not appearing beacuse i don't have access to that directory yet?
[11:53] <Unholyfuneral> nah only 11.00 an hour
[11:54] <madmatt> also, the 'only 1 colour' option is unticked
[11:54] <AndyR> is anyone able to call me on skype for a quick test please?
[11:54] <wastrel> what's skype
[11:54] <froust> VOIP software
[11:55] <Unholyfuneral> ill call u from my cell
[11:55] <Unholyfuneral> but not home line roomates dont like when i make long dist calls and blame it on the cat
[11:56] <mjr> skype is proprietary software with a proprietary protocol
[11:56] <wastrel> jolly
[11:56] <mjr> I can test call you with h323 via gnomemeeting ;)
[11:56] <Craigory> Hmm... I tried alsaconf, but my microphone still does not work.
[11:56] <Ileden> unfortunatelu skype is also the only voip software I've gotten to work...
[11:57] <Craigory> Alsaconf just asked for the sound card I have and did a /etc/init.d/alsa restart.
[11:58] <king_arthur> Hi everybody, does anyone here have a set up with virtual interfaces?
[11:58] <crimsun> Craigory: what sound devices do you have?
[11:58] <Craigory> Looks like it just isn't going to work -- why isn't there ever a place that just says "Sorry, with that sound card, it's not gonna work"
[11:58] <Craigory> You always have to just keep trying, and eventually give up.
[11:59] <Unholyfuneral> craigory THis warty Linux found my sound card right off the first one ever to do so
[11:59] <rob0> yes, Craigory, what card?
[11:59] <Craigory> snd_ens1370            19492  3
[11:59] <Craigory> snd_rawmidi            25088  1 snd_ens1370
[11:59] <Craigory> snd_seq_device          8136  1 snd_rawmidi
[11:59] <Craigory> snd_pcm_oss            53160  0
[11:59] <Craigory> snd_mixer_oss          19520  2 snd_pcm_oss
[11:59] <Craigory> snd_pcm                95332  3 snd_ens1370,snd_pcm_oss
[11:59] <Craigory> snd_timer              25028  1 snd_pcm
[11:59] <Craigory> snd_page_alloc         11528  2 snd_ens1370,snd_pcm
[11:59] <rob0> 1370
[11:59] <Craigory> snd_ak4531_codec        7744  1 snd_ens1370
[11:59] <Craigory> snd                    55524  11 snd_ens1370,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_ak4531_codec
[11:59] <Craigory> soundcore              10208  2 snd
[11:59] <Craigory> It's an Ensoniq PCI 128.
[11:59] <crimsun> Craigory: and /proc/asound/cards lists it, correct? (do _not_ flood in here, thanks)