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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu development -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals
=== Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by mdz at Fri Jan 7 18:46:16 2005
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mdzsladen: we're using create_compressed_fs, which is actually advfs installed with a different name09:53
fabbionemorning guys09:53
fabbionelamont: still around?09:54
mdzfabbione: morning09:54
fabbionehey mdz09:54
jdubhey, who sang that song, "it'll all be better if we slept together"?09:55
fabbionejdub: you are begging us to say you mom (part 2)09:55
jdub:-)09:55
fabbionesorry.. couldn't resist09:55
mdzthe name of my new band is Jeff's Mum09:56
mdzperl: I HATE YOU09:56
jdubdude, you so want to *be* my mum09:56
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fabbionewho is the owner of this boglot?09:57
fabbione~logbot@09:57
fabbionei don't mind it.. just curious09:57
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jdub19:58 < Greves> i may have to try this so-called "ubuntu"09:59
jdubwe're lying, it's actually called "smillysloffilyploff"09:59
fabbionebah time to start sandpapering another room10:05
fabbionelater fellas10:05
Mithrandirfabbione: have fun10:08
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KeybukKamion: #5517, want to look?10:13
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thommornin10:36
Keybukhey dude10:37
mdzKamion: around?10:46
mdzafter all my wrangling, it's starting to look like the initrd doesn't have the new cdebconf10:47
mdz$1 says I need to specify your magic flag to use the daily d-i build10:50
mdzah, found it, DI_TYPE10:53
amumoin 10:54
mdzLAMONT10:55
mdzhttp://king.warthogs.hbd.com/%7Ebuildd/livecd/livecd-current.cloop:10:55
mdz09:53:50 ERROR 404: Not Found.10:55
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thommdz: there's a livecd.cloop which is a symlink to 20050115/livecd.cloop10:57
mdzthom: can you make it point to something which actually exists?10:57
mdzfuckit, i'll try swapping in a new initrd on my iso10:58
thommdz: livecd-current.cloop should work now11:00
thomas should livecd.cloop11:00
mdzthanks11:02
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elmomdz: dude, tell me you're not still up?11:09
mdzoh, but I am11:09
mdzand I can almost taste it11:09
elmodo we use cfq by default in our kernels?11:16
mdz/boot/config-2.6.10-2-k7:CONFIG_IOSCHED_CFQ=y11:17
elmoyeah, but IIRC AS is the default11:18
elmoI'd check, but well, I don't have any non-custom kernels handy ;)11:19
elmoUsing anticipatory io scheduler <-- from mine11:19
mdzROCK ON11:19
mdzX autoconfiguration in the live CD11:19
jdubsweet!11:20
thomwoot11:20
Kamionmdz: morning11:20
mdzKamion: just in time11:20
Kamionmdz: did you tweak CONF.sh? I was reading the backlog thinking "shit, forgot to change that over so that he wouldn't have to know11:20
Kamionmdz: that main->universe symlink stuff was in order that warty CD builds remain possible11:21
Kamionif somebody trimmed the broken symlinks, they broke that again :)11:21
thomelmo: yeah, anticipatory is the default11:21
elmoKamion: I think you'll have to only use --copy-links for pool11:21
Kamionelmo: ah, ok11:21
jdubmdz: how scary is the livecd image-building foo?11:21
KamionI saw the anonftpsync change, will review/commit11:21
elmoKamion: k, sorry for using your account like that11:21
Kamionnot a problem11:22
mdzjdub: there's the d-i building bit, the live image building bit, and the CD image building bit11:22
thomelmo: and yeah, we probably ought to default to CFQ IMO11:22
jdubmdz: yeah, the live image11:22
Kamionhow come it needed my account in particular? was there stuff non-group-writable?11:22
Kamion'cos if so that's a bug I'd like to fix, so mdz can do this stuff11:22
elmoKamion: I dunno, matt asked me to sort it, and I'm not in the group - i didn't want to use sudo in case I left broken permissions around11:22
mdzjdub: shouldn't be particularly scary, but then, no one has seen it except lamont ;-)11:23
Kamionok, no problem, I was away and he needed to get stuff done11:23
jdubmdz: ... ah.11:23
Kamionmdz: I've set DI_TYPE to daily-installer, next daily build will use the new d-i build11:24
mdzKamion: once casper 0.14 builds, a new set of CDs would be great11:24
Kamionmdz: I rsynced a full live CD last night, and tried to rsync a new one today; it is not rsyncing usefully11:24
mdzKamion: yeah, lamont discovered this as well11:25
mdzit's worth some investigation to find out why; intuitively it seems like we should be winning11:25
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opimorning11:26
mdzjdub: it was rad, I just booted up this hoary live CD straight into GNOME, and the desktop looks newer than the one on my workstation ;-)11:26
mdzfresh crack11:26
jdubmdz: SASS11:27
mvo_when I booted it and did a apt-get update, some seconds later update-notifier showed some updates :) funny 11:28
jdubmvo_: last night, mine showed 156 updates ;)11:28
jdubCOW is going to *love* that ;)11:28
mvo_hehe :)11:29
Riddellany ideas why my upload of kdelibs to warty-security hasn't built over night?11:29
mdzthom: I saw something strange with readahead11:29
mdzon powerpc and/or amd64, it was segfaulting11:29
mdzand on _shutdown_11:30
mdzno idea how11:30
mdzsince it doesn't even seem to run at shutdown11:32
Kamionmdz: apt 0.5.27.2's fine for sarge, isn't it?11:33
Kamioner, </offtopic>11:33
mdzKamion: yeah, that was absolutely its intended target11:34
jdubmdz: readahead does the sort-readahead-file-by-disk-order on shutdown, doesn't it?11:34
mdzjdub: the 'stop' section in /etc/init.d/readahead is empty11:34
mdzand it doesn't have a link in rc/06] .d, either11:34
mdzso clearly I'm insane11:35
mdzmaybe it segfaulted at boot11:35
Kamionmdz: the changelog message in 0.5.27.2 is not backed up by any actual diff to the source though11:35
KamionI see the stuff in 0.5.27.1, but I don't see the diff for this setlocale() stuff11:35
mdzreally? hmm11:35
mdzthe setlocale() stuff was icing11:35
mdzthe 0.5.27.1 bits are what is needed for sarge11:35
Kamionthe diff is like a single page, it's very clear11:35
Kamionok11:35
mdzweird11:35
Kamiongo arch!11:35
mdza single page? the translation updates are missing as well?11:36
Kamionyes11:36
mdzwtf11:36
thommdz: there's K76fileordering11:36
Kamionit has MaxArgs and MaxArgsBytes changes, configure/configure.in versioning, changelog, and nothing else11:36
thomwhich does the sort on shutdown11:36
thomit ought to move to the same init script11:37
thombut... :-)11:37
Kamionmdz: approved 0.5.27.2, if you could leave a fix for these issues 'til after the next dinstall I'd appreciate it11:37
thommdz: so both readahead *and* fileordering were segfaulting?11:37
mdzthom: just checked to confirm11:39
mdzK76fileordering segfaults11:39
mdzS39readahead does not11:39
mdzthis was powerpc just now11:39
thomright, hrm11:39
thommy amd64 is still in a box, does it happen there too?11:40
mdzwill check11:40
thomthanks11:40
mdzno problem on amd6411:42
thomright, it could be the funky inode code. could you possibly file a bug and i'll talk to daniel silverstone (since it's his code) on monday11:44
mdzKamion: so, I think I'm going to crash, but a new set of CDs based on daily-installer and containing casper-udeb 0.14 would be great11:44
mdzthom: how much of the faster-boot experimentation ended up making it into hoary?11:45
thomwe don't have caching of /dev nor the faster gdm artwork yet11:45
thommost everything bar that should be in11:46
elmogdm's artwork is slow?11:46
Kamionmdz: ok, will build in twenty minutes or so when casper 0.14 shows up11:46
thomelmo: resizing it is, yes11:46
mdzI'll queue an rsync for +1 hour or so11:46
elmoboggle11:46
thomelmo: (it's a png, not svg, so gdm has to do some hard work)11:47
Kamionmdz: ok11:47
mdzthom: I've added an entry to the HoaryGoals page for it; please create a wiki page to record which bits went in, and also the future stuff that we could do11:48
mdzso we can brag about it in the release notes, etc.11:48
jdubelmo: seems gdk-pixbuf is crap at scaling images11:49
thommdz: sure11:49
jdubthom: turns out an svg version of current gdm glow is 'hard'11:49
Kamionelmo: could you update germinate on jackass? I added support for per-arch seed entries, would like to start using them soonish11:49
jdubthom: it's not just one gradient ;)11:49
thomjdub: ah.11:49
jdubthom: so we'll probably have something new and special11:49
mdzthanks11:50
mdznight all11:50
thomso we're racing to gdm, and then sitting around and twiddling our thumbs for an image to load :-)11:50
jdubnot elmo special, proper special11:50
mvo_night mdz11:50
thomnight dude11:50
jdub   * Enable X autoconfiguration(!)11:52
jdub:-)11:52
amun8 mdz 11:54
Kamionelmo: will anastacia (or whichever one it is) be able to deal with germinate giving different answers for main-ness/universe-ness on different architectures?11:55
Kamion(doesn't really matter if it can't and I guess overrides probably don't get to be per-arch like that, would just be interesting)11:55
jdubelmo: ping11:57
danielsmdz: g'night12:01
Kamionalso, either elilo needs to be removed from i386 or efibootmgr needs to be built on i386, one or the other12:02
KamionI think probably the latter given that elilo explicitly claims that it's useful on some i386 systems12:03
Kamionhm, do Intel x86_64 systems use EFI?12:04
Kamionand/or elilo ...12:04
elmoKamion: nope, it almagates all the architectures, so if you're in main for one, you're in for all12:08
Kamionfair enough12:08
sladenKamion: I don't believe so---remember those machines are still coming up as 16-bit 286's12:09
Kamionstill, it will help out (a) CD images and (b) debootstrap, and you'll need to understand the new syntax12:09
elmobtw, the gdm image stuff couldn't you just resize permanently?  most people don't change res often?  combined with a mini-rainbow of common sizes being generated by cron after install or something?12:09
Kamionsladen: so are i386en and apparently they can use EFI12:09
elmoKamion: ok, will do when I get to the DC..12:09
Kamionsladen: it's a matter of boot firmware rather than 64-bitness AIUI12:10
elmoKamion: I don't think they do use EFI no12:10
elmoHP DL3x0's G4's are em64_t, but AFAIK they have a normal bios, I'll ask taggart12:10
Kamionhm, ok12:10
azeemis there an eaysy way to get laptop-mode not to mount partitions with noatime?12:10
azeemeh, in warty12:11
Kamionhttp://adare.warthogs.hbd.com/%7Ebuildd/livecd/livecd-current.cloop:12:11
Kamion11:11:01 ERROR 404: Not Found.12:11
Kamioncan someone fix that?12:11
Kamionamd64 and i386 were fine12:11
elmohow would it be fixed?12:11
Kamionlivecd-current.cloop-1024:65536 exists ...12:12
thomKamion: doing so now12:12
elmoazeem: you actually have a use for atime?  on a laptop?12:12
elmothom: by manually adding the CD ?12:12
elmoerr, link?12:12
azeemelmo: it breaks mutt12:12
elmoif so, please be sure to tell lamont so he can actually fix it12:12
elmoazeem: boggle12:12
thomelmo: yes12:12
thomand yes12:12
KamionI think the -4096:4096 build failed and that was what was supposed to be linked to the plain name12:13
thomKamion: done12:13
Kamionjudging from terranova12:13
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Kamionthom: thanks12:13
thomsame happened on amd64, fwiw12:13
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bob2azeem: how does it break mutt?12:15
azeembob2: mutt sometimes thinks there's new mail in mailboxes all the time 12:16
azeemaha12:16
azeem"If you use mutt and experience this, you must disable the noatime remounting in the control script by setting DO_REMOUNT_NOATIME=0."12:16
azeemcontrol script == /usr/sbin/laptop-mode12:17
azeemtook me a while to figure that out :)12:17
thomit sources /etc/default/laptop-mode, no?12:18
Kamionmdz: new live CD up, seems sane12:19
sladenthom: I think the laptop-mode in Hoary/Debian is out of date;  there's new ones I've seen that have about 20 options in the config file12:20
thomsladen: quite likely12:20
azeemthere are options in the Debian one, yes12:20
sladenKamion: just Googling, I've found one press release mentioning plans to produce an amd64/efi system12:21
azeemthom: yeah, that works as well, thanks12:21
thomnp12:21
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sladenKamion: but I suspect you can ignore it until that actually happens12:22
dokokamion: can we close #1232?12:33
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Kamiondoko: just looking at the last couple of entries12:49
jdubsladen: "coloured prompt!"12:55
jdubsladen: "no, what do you want from the boot process?"12:55
jdubsladen: "optimised packages!"12:55
sladenjdub: "use flags!"12:56
Kamiondo users want a boot process that can be inserted nasally?12:56
jdubright into the main vein12:56
sladenwe need a focus group.  This is like extracting water from a stone12:58
jdubKamion: have you done mini.iso installs?12:59
Kamionjdub: which mini.iso?01:01
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jdubKamion: warty's01:02
Kamionjdub: no, *which* mini.iso? netboot, monolithic, ...?01:02
Kamionmini.iso is just a way of putting the bits together, it doesn't specify which bits01:03
Kamionpeople have done netboot installs, I haven't done one with final warty and I know there were a couple of bugs01:03
KamionI did a hoary netboot install yesterday, was basically ok01:04
jdubKamion: oh, netboot i guess, couldn't see any others01:05
Kamionprobably depends on the arch01:06
jdubyeah, some dude did a warty install and it was incomplete01:06
jdubi38601:06
Kamionhm, how so?01:06
KamionI can give it a try later ...01:06
jdubdidn't have ubuntu-desktop01:06
jduband a bunch of other stuff01:06
Kamionboggle01:06
Kamionthat's a function of the archive not the boot method01:06
jdubhe may have done something wacky01:06
Kamionwas he trying to use the CD as a "mirror"?01:07
jdubno01:07
jdubfull net install01:07
Kamionok01:07
jdubit was greves on #ubuntu if you want to ask for more details01:07
KamionI'll check it out next opportunity, then01:07
KamionI have to go in twenty minutes unfortunately, maybe later01:07
Kamionthanks for passing that on01:07
sladenone thing that was strange with the net-install is that it only offered 'Great Britain' as a mirror option.  Eventually figured that was because that's where the Canonical machines are.  Is it worth adding an automatic skip in the case of only one choice?01:09
Kamionsladen: theoretically, but I'd rather add more mirrors01:15
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two-faceHi.01:21
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jdubelmo, lamont: ping01:22
jduboh, hi elmo 01:22
elmo?01:22
jdubelmo: so Riddell did a warty-security upload - do you still have to confirm it?01:22
jdubelmo: are security build logs ever published?01:23
elmojdub: warty-security is setup to require confirmation from the security team yes01:23
elmoand no01:23
jdubcool, ta01:23
elmo(security team meaning pitti)01:23
jduboh right01:23
elmokdelibs got built fine, it's just sitting in queue/accepted01:23
jdubgreat01:24
jdubjust answering Riddell's mail on u-d01:24
Riddellelmo: why are the logs not published?01:24
elmoI've no idea how we want to handle warty-security, i.e. whether or not we require confirmation01:24
elmoRiddell: because security uploads are often embargoed01:24
jdubheh01:24
Riddellwhat does embargoed mean?01:24
elmoerr, handle warty-security +"for universe"01:24
jdubRiddell: answering your mail atm, with that precise phrase in it :)01:24
elmoRiddell: not to be released until a certain agreed date01:25
Riddellelmo: ah, that makes sense01:27
Riddellhmm, if I'm an approved ubuntu person does that mean I get on planet.ubuntu :)01:28
jdubRiddell: planet ubuntu will actually be for members soon, not just developers :)01:30
Riddellis the website team aware of just how heavily ubuntulinux.org uses text-shadow?  it gets quite annoying after a bit01:39
jdubRiddell: whereabouts?01:39
elmoKamion: so, what's going to change when I update  germinate?01:41
Kamionelmo: with the current seeds, nothing01:42
Kamionelmo: well, depends what your current version is I guess ;)01:42
Kamionelmo: once seeds get updated, there'll be stuff like "elilo [ia64] ", so elilo will only be considered part of the base seed if you're germinating for ia6401:43
Kamionit won't be actively excluded on other architectures though - i.e. if something on i386 depends on elilo it'll still be included01:44
Kamionjust not seeded01:44
elmook, so that won't matter to me01:44
elmohmm, which doesn't really help does it?01:44
Kamionelmo: it helps with the CD images and my auto-debootstrap-updater - the only reason I want you to update is that the syntax for arch-specific seeds would be invalid in old germinate, I think01:45
elmopresumably the point of that was to not pull things in that can't be dep-satisfied? 01:45
elmook01:45
Kamionno, the point is not to have to pull stuff into base on one arch just because it's base in another01:45
Kamionor similar01:45
Kamionit doesn't matter for main/universe-ness, it matters for which bit of main/universe it's in01:45
Kamionwhich bit of main, I mean01:46
elmook01:46
Riddelljdub: all the headers http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubuntu-text-shadow.png  it would be fine if it was toned down a bit01:46
elmoI thought it might be trying to address oo.o on ia64 for example01:46
Kamionup to now I've had a system of overrides in debootstrap to cope, but that's a bit informal and really ought to die01:46
elmook, I'm up to colin.watson@canonical.com--2004/germinate--mainline--0--patch-2901:47
Kamionelmo: lamont mentioned that, but I'm not convinced that'll work; otoh we might be able to take it out of desktop on ia64, I think, which might help01:47
Kamionit'll still be a build failure then but wouldn't block livefs builds01:47
Kamionelmo: that's currnt01:47
Kamion+e01:47
elmokamion: it won't work01:48
elmothe archive can't do per-arch components for a given binary package01:48
elmohmm, anasatacia got very upset01:48
Kamionelmo: like I say, I don't care whether it's still in main or not01:49
jdubRiddell: holy crap01:49
elmoKamion: yes, but to solve oo.o, you'd have to01:49
Kamionelmo: if it's still in main that's fine, but we could make ubuntu-desktop stop depending on it01:49
jdubRiddell: i guess gecko doesn't implement that01:49
elmowell sure, but we'd still have uninstallable packages in main, which sucks01:50
Kamionelmo: don't see why? if it's not depended-upon it won't be included01:50
jdubRiddell: that looks completely crap - can you file a bug?01:50
Kamionoh, yeah, it's not a full solution, but it would stop being a live-CD blocker01:50
elmosure01:50
Kamionwhat broke anastacia?01:50
elmoanyway, this doesn't seem to have worked too well, linux-source is getting no love for !i386.. checking01:50
Kamionhuh, odd01:50
fabbioneuh?01:51
Kamionthe last change really ought to be a no-op with current seeds01:51
elmokamion: I was quite out of date01:51
elmoI jumped 15 odd patches01:52
Kamionhm, the multi-component/multi-dist stuff would be the prime candidate for something going wrong01:53
Kamionit was all fine for me on cdimage though01:53
Kamionelmo: anyway unfortunately I really have to go, late already; if it's a blocker feel free to revert and I'll sort it out later01:54
elmodo you care if Desktop goes screwy?01:54
elmoother than it's not a blocker01:54
Kamionyeah, kinda01:55
Kamioncdimage cares anyway01:55
Kamionif you could mail me the germinate invocation you're using that would be goodd01:55
elmocares before you get back? :)01:55
Kamionmmm, probably not01:55
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KamionI'll be away most of the afternoon/early-evening though01:56
elmook then, i'll leave it, i'm not even sure how I'd revert.. I'll poke at it and mail you details including how to reproduce01:56
Kamionbaz update <whatever-revision-you-were-last-at>01:56
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elmoyeah the problem is the last part01:56
Kamionoh, don't have the output from the update around any more?01:56
elmooh, yeah I do, blah.. too tired01:57
elmoor rather, I have a backup copy of the entire dir, I'll revert to that for now01:57
Kamionanyhow ... gone01:57
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Riddelljdub: what is the difference between a developer and a maintainer?02:15
jdubRiddell: developer covers committers, maintainers, etc.02:15
jdubRiddell: so it's just a more general term02:15
Riddelljdub: you said planet would be for "maintainers not just developers"02:15
jdubRiddell: members not just developers02:16
Riddelljdub: so who's allowed on the planet at the moment (not because I want on it, I'm trying to understand the terminology)02:17
jdubRiddell: atm, it's an unupdatable blob ;)02:18
jdubRiddell: i'm fixing things up atm, so that when it will be maintained from an arch branch02:18
jdubat which point, it will be for any member02:18
Riddellok, richt02:19
jdubi'll put your blog on straight away :)02:19
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jdubdo you have an ubuntu or tech category?02:19
jdubelmo: btw, could you send the index.html.tmpl from the planet install? i didn't realise you just sent the config last time :-)02:20
sladenjdub: you need to put a flowchart diagram up that goes   member -> committer -> maintainer   or something02:20
jdubyeah02:20
Riddelljdub: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/blog/feed/5702:20
jdubhrm02:21
elmojdub: I thought I tarred up config-ubuntu for oyu.. but ok02:21
jdubdrupal does such poo rss ;)02:21
jdubat least it has dates now02:21
jdubelmo: hrm, wait a sec02:21
jdubi'll check personal mail02:22
jdubnup02:22
elmojdub: sent02:22
jdubthanks02:22
jdubnow to deplone it02:22
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elmodoko: I just passed you a pyopengl b-d bug02:24
elmodoko: do  you know off hand whath appened to python2.3-dictdlib?  dict-moby-thesaurus still b-d's on it02:24
dokopython2.3-dictdlib is nowpython2.4-dictdlib, will update dict-moby-thesaurus02:25
elmodoko: ah, well it must have FTBFS02:25
elmo'cos python2.4-dictdlib doesn't exist yet in the archive :)02:26
elmocould you chase that down too?02:26
dokopyopengl b-d, I should pass that on to daniels, see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=xvfb02:26
dokoelmo: ok, btw, what any news about the powerpc64 chroot on davis?02:27
Riddelljdub: should I turn up at at the next technical board meeting and ask to be made a maintainer so I can work on kde packages in main (and does haggai need to do the same)?02:28
elmodoko: err, what would I build it with?  I thought you were just asking if I would do it, not for me to do it02:28
jdubRiddell: haggai has been approved already02:28
elmodoko: can you make the pyopengl bug say 'blocks on <n>' (whatever <n> is for our BTS)02:28
dokoelmo: will do02:28
jdubRiddell: you should put your name on the maintainer proposals page, and CC and TB agenda02:28
elmodoko: [ppc64]  will a powerpc chroot do to start with?02:29
Riddelljdub: ok. why the CC agenda?02:29
dokoelmo: chroot: yes, then install the things I wrote you in an email.02:29
elmoRiddell: CC and TB approve maintainers02:29
elmodoko: I don't seem to be getting email from you02:29
elmodoko: where/when/to-who did you send it, and what's the message  ID?02:30
jdubRiddell: gotta get the love from everyone ;)02:30
Riddellelmo, jdub: so CC approves members, TB approves committers and both CC and TB approve maintainers?02:31
Riddellsladen: the flow is fairly obvious, it's the details that arn't clear02:31
ograRiddell, wasnt there a propsal from mark that you get both stati in one step to speed up the MOTU process02:32
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ograRiddell, thats how i understood it at least02:32
jdubRiddell: the bar for being a universe maintainer is quite a bit lower than for being a main maintainer02:32
dokoelmo: sent again. you did get my email about the mailman sync from unstable?02:32
jdubRiddell: haggai was approved quickly because he's an experienced debian maintainer, and has a saucy and convincing british accent02:33
ograhehe02:33
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jdubogra: do you have a blog?02:35
ograyup02:35
jdubogra: with an ubuntu or tech category in it?02:35
ogranope, do i need one ?02:35
jdubnot necessarily02:35
jdubyour call which you'd prefer02:35
jdubwould you like to be aggregated on planet.ubuntu?02:36
jdubif so, rss url please :)02:36
ograsince all i blog will mostly be ubuntu related i dont think i need a category: http://www.grawert.net/weblog.cgi/index.rss02:36
ogra:)02:36
jdubcool02:37
ograthanks02:37
ograjdub: btw, remember our graveman discussion about setting the g-v-m burner key in postinst.... ?02:38
jdubyeah02:39
jdubthe one where i cried and begged you not to? ;)02:39
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ograjdub: if i leave nautilus in there, but want to burn with graveman, how do i avoid nautilus from popping up if a cd is inserted ?02:39
jdubogra: you can't, the best thing is to change the setting02:40
ograexcept by setting/unsetting the key dynamically if the app is started02:40
jdubogra: in future, g-v-m will have a list box of choices instead of command lines02:40
ograyup, thats what i thought...02:40
ograah, thats nicer :)02:40
jdubin which case you'll be able to provide a choice for it in the package, and the user can choose it02:41
jdubelmo: haven't got your mail yet...02:41
elmooh GAR02:45
elmojdub: really sent - sorry, sending mail to canonical.com from within the DC, is, err interesting02:46
jdubheh02:46
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fabbionehey seb12803:10
sivanghi seb128_ 03:15
seb128_hello03:15
fabbionehmmmmmm03:16
fabbionewe have an ioctl problem with the new emu10k1 driver03:16
fabbionenow.. how many applications do we need to update?03:17
fabbioneall the mixers segfaults doing some very specific operations03:17
fabbionecool03:20
fabbionenow i have the THX tuned again!03:20
elmofabbione: hmm - I thought you added the pb sleep patch?03:20
fabbionepb?03:20
fabbionepowerbook?03:21
elmoyeah03:21
fabbioneit's no go on 2.6.1003:21
fabbionei am waiting for benh to port it03:21
fabbioneand i will add it03:21
elmooh, meh, ok03:21
fabbionei did try to merge it myself but it was no go03:21
elmoit's in the source package which confused me03:21
elmothe source source package, I mean03:21
fabbionetoo many bits have been merged upstream and others need to be reviewed03:21
fabbioneyeah my fault03:21
fabbionei forgot to take it away03:22
fabbionebut it's not applied03:22
elmoyeah, ok, no prob03:22
fabbioneit works on 2.6.903:22
elmoyep, using it on there now.. I'll go back to that +security patches03:22
fabbioneelmo: if it is only for your laptop and it is not multiuser, you only need the igmp patch03:23
fabbionethat was the only remote DoS03:23
fabbioneotherwise skip the others03:23
fabbionei doubt you give accounts to people on your laptop03:23
fabbioneiirc that one made it in 2.6.9 before we switched to 2.6.1003:24
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fabbionenote for my self: stop playing around servers powerswitched when passing new cables03:27
fabbione(machines can casually turn off)03:27
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JakubS:-)03:29
JakubSjdub: i'm the guy who filed debian bug against mdnsresponder's license03:31
JakubSwhy you install copy of BSD instead of APSL-2 ?03:31
lamontKamion: you around?03:31
JakubSinto /usr/share/doc/mdnresponder/copyright?03:32
jdubJakubS: it's a bug03:32
jdubJakubS: just needs to be clarified03:32
jdubJakubS: the library interface is BSD (thus the confusion)03:32
JakubSah ok, i just wanted your comment on that 03:32
JakubSlibrary sure is but daemon not03:33
jdubthat's right03:33
jdubi'm aware of the problem :)03:33
lamontfabbione: so is -8 still the current one, I wonder?03:36
fabbionelamont: he left sometime ago03:36
fabbionelamont: yes :-)03:36
fabbionei am not working today03:37
lamontwoot!  I finally have the current kernel source in  my mirror!!! :-)03:37
fabbionei need to unmelt my brain03:37
fabbioneAHAH03:37
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crimsunogra: if you'd like and have the time, please consider triggering a simple rebuild of 'nicotine' against python2.4 (all that's needed is a recompile).03:37
lamontfabbione: you;re the one who wants me to work on it...03:37
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jdubriowr!03:38
fabbionelamont: i would like to get the kernel at "state of the art" on 6 arches :-)03:38
fabbionelamont: that would be an achievement03:38
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Riddellhaggai: awa wi ye sassenach03:38
lamontI will work on it this weekend.  which happens to include mondyua03:38
lamontwhich is fortunate, since today is 'fix the frozen pipes and figure out what else got ruined' day03:39
lamontthom?03:42
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dokofabbione: lrm again. adding the avm isdn modules including the firmware will increase the size of each l-r-m binary on ix86 by a factor of 4, ending up at 6mb. upload it as is, or split it in it's own binaries lrm-avm-2.6.xx ?03:56
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Treenaksogra: not dput?04:01
ograTreenaks: are there advantages ? 04:01
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Treenaksogra: it's a shorter name ;)04:02
ograheh04:02
ograok04:02
lamontSetting up fontconfig (2.2.3-2ubuntu1) ...04:02
lamont/usr/sbin/laptop-detect: line 14: dmidecode: command not found04:02
lamontgrumble04:02
Treenaksyay for non-x86!04:02
Treenaks(I guess)_04:02
lamontyeah04:02
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fabbionedoko: dude.. until everything is in the same source it's ok04:04
fabbionedoko: it doesn't really matter how many binaries will spit out, but again you need to discuss this with mdz since he expect max 2 sources with kernel stuff.. kernel and lrm04:05
Treenaksgrrgghgggrrrrrrh...04:06
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Treenaksfabbione: (not your uber-patched 2.6.10)04:06
fabbioneARGH!04:08
fabbionexine-libs are borked!04:08
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dokofabbione: he delegated the decision to you/us :)04:10
dokodoko: so I propose to put it in the same module until somebody cries about the size.04:11
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fabbionedoko: so go ahead and decide.. for me any solution is the same04:12
dokofabbione: ok04:13
ogracrimsun: uploaded... lets see if i did it right ;)04:18
crimsunogra: many thanks04:18
ograthanks for pointing me at it ;)04:18
crimsunnp :)04:19
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robertjhas anyone in here running hoary done a dist-upgrade to find that only 640x480 & 800x600 were still working on their i810 hardware?04:20
robertjand also, that there was no menu text on the panels or right-click menus?04:20
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robertjIt's been noted a few times on the forums04:24
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sladenrobertj: 1024x768 still works.  but I've seen the  no-panels  bug many times04:27
sladenrobertj: it's a race that needs tracking down.  Workaround:    pkill -u $USER04:27
sladenand log back in04:27
robertjsladen: there are napenls04:28
robertjthey are void of text04:28
robertjI've got the gnome foot and the sound icon up top but no menu text04:28
robertjat the bottom I have lal my launcher icons and stuff, but no text on the task list04:28
sladenis this funny-crashed-xserver type thing04:28
robertjif I click the foot I get all the images in a little micro-menu with no text, is that what you have seen?04:28
sladennope.  not seen that one.  As though all the text is suddenly zero-width?04:29
robertjand once it was just very very tiny04:30
robertjlike a little line going across the screen, with several pages taking up only a few hundred pixels04:30
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robertjsladen: getting Bad V_BIOS checksum04:34
robertjshould that worry me?04:34
trukuloMithrandir, r u there?04:34
fabbionedaniels: ping04:36
trukulofabbione, have you seen your video?04:37
fabbionetrukulo: no. i was waiting to know if it was all up04:37
trukulosmall one is all up04:38
trukulowell, small ones, i mean04:38
fabbionenah i was waiting for the big one04:38
trukulook04:39
ograwhy is gnome-btdownload still excluded from universe ?04:39
trukuloogra, i have package for 20050112 graveman04:40
trukuloif you want sources..04:40
ograoh, there is a new upstream ?04:40
trukulomore than one04:40
trukulo3 i think04:40
trukulowith new dependencies04:40
trukulobuild time too04:41
trukulohttp://mercurio.homeip.net/debian/04:41
trukulothere you have mine , if you want to look at it04:41
fabbionei wonder why you two don't share a common arch repo04:42
fabbioneand create an ubuntu and a debian branch04:42
fabbionekeeping the common stuff04:42
fabbionein "common"04:42
trukulobecause i'm very bad doing this04:42
trukuloi don't understand well things related to package development, yet04:43
ografabbione:  because i dont want to _develop_ graveman.... if there will be a debian package it will go into universe anyway....04:43
ograand it seems trukulo plans to get his included into sid if i understood it correctly....04:44
fabbioneok04:44
fabbionebut i would still share the efford with a simple RCS04:44
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fabbioneand you would both benefits in learning :-)04:45
trukuloogra, i want to, i have to speak with a friend that is debian delevoper04:45
ografabbione: i'm setting up bazaar anyway....04:45
trukuloperhaps he can be my "bitch-uploader"04:45
fabbioneogra: baz is fine :-)04:45
fabbionebaz is based on the arch protocol04:45
ogratrukulo: nah, come on.....get a dev yourself....you are already on your way....04:46
ografabbione: i know ;) i had a lot of cigarettes with jblack in mataro ....04:46
trukuloogra, time problem here :)04:47
ogratrukulo: universe urgently needs new maintainers ....04:47
sivangogra: the reason for using those is that they are cheaper right? ;-)04:47
trukuloi have my own enterprise, and not very much time04:47
ograsivang: those ?04:48
trukuloso being a developer it's not on my plains04:48
truluxwoo04:48
truluxmdz: ping04:48
sivangogra: woops, I though jblack was the cigarettes's filling.04:50
ograheh04:50
ograsivang: lol, jblack is james blackwell from the arch team ;)04:50
sivangogra: hhm, I hope he doesn't read this somehwere :)04:51
trukuloMithrandir, you awake? tell what video to upload next04:52
jdubtrukulo: i listened to the video of me yesterday - obviously i need help with spanish humour, badopi dudes were not laughing loud enough :-)04:53
trukulolol04:55
trukuloif you want to take classes, tell me04:55
trukuloyou know what happens?04:55
trukulothey don't understand very well english04:55
trukuloso they need to do a lot of work listening, and that is no good for humor04:55
jdubyeah04:56
trukuloanyway, yes, you need to improve your humor04:56
trukuloheheheh04:56
jdubi hope they watch the video again and realise how FUNNY it was :-)04:56
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trukuloyou need to be very ugly to be funny04:57
trukuloas mako04:57
trukuloxD04:57
jdubheh04:57
fabbionejdub: what time is it in .au?04:57
fabbioneor better.. where daniels lives04:57
jdub030004:58
fabbionejdub: isn't time to wake him up and tell him that xine-lib is borked?04:58
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fabbionedaf: nevermind... i always forget that i tend to put all the logs > /dev/null on my sensible systems05:01
fabbioneops05:01
fabbioneECHAN05:01
elmookay, the buildds are going down for a while - shout now if this is particularly inconvenient for you05:23
elmo(while ==> hours)05:23
fabbionego for me05:25
sladenrobertj: mention  Bad V_BIOS  to daniels (I'd assume vesa-bios or something without lookingit up05:26
robertjsladen: using a custom xorg.conf got me going again05:27
robertjmenus still lack text though05:27
robertjmaybe somewhere pango is barfing?05:28
sladenrobertj: what did you have to change in the xorg.conf?05:28
RiddellI'm getting a "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXinerama" compile error because there is a libXinerama.so.1 but no libXinerama.so  Any ideas how to get round that?05:28
robertjsladen: not sure, I just created a real basic xorg.conf and got it going05:28
crimsunRiddell: is libxinerama-dev installed?05:29
fabbioneRiddell: as crimsun sais...05:30
Riddellcrimsun: you are a genius05:30
crimsunnah, I've just been bitten by it before05:30
crimsun.so symlinks are in -dev packages05:30
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Riddellif I have a package from CVS how should I version it?  cvs20050115-ubuntu1  or cvs20050115-1ubuntu1 ?05:37
fabbioneRiddell: i suggest <oldversion>+cvs<date>-0ubuntu105:41
fabbioneor something like that05:41
trukuloor better : package-cvs<date>-randomnumber-willfuckyoursystemifyoudontwatchit-ubuntu105:44
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makotrukulo: I HEARD THAT05:47
makotrukulo: be carefully buddy.. i know where you live :)05:47
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trukulomako, You talking to me? You talking to me? You talking to me? Then who the hell else are you talking to? You talking to me? Well, I'm the only one here.05:54
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Treenakstrukulo: could you seed fabio_big or jeff_big? :) (you were the seed right?)06:05
fabbioneahah i found the perfect weapon to give to our users to kill all the bugs themselves06:08
fabbionehttp://twerked.com/~splice/pics/p_debates.jpg06:08
bob2hahaha06:08
bob2html files with .jpg extenions are wrong and against nature06:09
trukulosure06:09
Treenaksbob2: as long as the MIME type is OK...06:11
Treenaksbob2: IE won't understand though :)06:11
lupus_nice :)06:13
trukuloTreenaks, fabio uploading06:13
fabbionetrukulo: uploading what?06:13
Treenaksfabbione: video from mataro06:13
fabbioneah ok06:13
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trukulobig one06:13
fabbioneok06:13
trukulomirak, fabio big uploading06:13
trukuloups06:14
trukuloMithrandir, i mean06:14
Treenakstrukulo: I can't see a seed on fabio_big ?06:14
Mithrandirtrukulo: great06:14
trukuloTreenaks, i'm doing right now06:14
trukuloMithrandir, can you confirm seed of fabio?06:15
MithrandirTreenaks: I'm seeing it06:15
Mithrandiryeah06:15
Treenakshmmm06:15
Treenaksoh hey it works now06:16
trukulo:)06:16
seb128is there a problem with the archive ?06:21
amu3 problems with the livecd, ipw2200 is not detected, X with my nvidia and after login out, and relogin with gdm, gdm ask for a user + pass       06:22
seb128nm06:22
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mdzamu: tried the new live CDs? :-)07:00
jdubmdz: how's the rsyncability?07:00
mdzjdub: crap07:00
jdubbummer07:00
amumdz: yep ;) 07:00
amumdz: *dammed* you sleep less than me 07:01
mdzamu: did X come up for you?07:01
jdubsleep is for the week07:01
bob2haha07:01
amumdz: no, driver was correct, nv, resolution was also fine, i changed it to vesa and it runs  07:01
mdzamu: oh, does your card not work with nv?07:02
mdzamu: the login/logout thing is apparently a feature in gdm, but maybe we can change it...jdub, seb128?07:02
amumdz: no, with 1600*1080 only nvidia works D 07:02
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mdzamu: is there some way to detect it so that we can choose vesa for that card instead of nv?07:03
jdubmdz: missed the context07:03
mdzamu: have you talked to daniels?07:03
mdzjdub: gdm autologin only autologins when it first starts up07:03
jduboh right07:04
mdzjdub: if you log out, it leaves you at a login prompt07:04
mdzI assume this is by design07:04
mdzto prevent endless looping and that sort of thing07:04
jdubyeah, totally07:04
jdubcan we just turn off logging out? :)07:04
amumdz: nv it works with smaller ex 1400*9xx resolutions, but Xorg  detects full 1600*1080 07:04
mdzdunno, can we?07:04
jdubi assume gdm with autologin if you ctrl-alt-backspace07:04
jdubwe might be able to07:04
mdzat least remove it from the menu anyway07:04
mdzthough07:05
jdubso the logout box will only have restart and shutdown07:05
mdzI sort of like the idea of being able ot test drive gdm07:05
amumdz: nope i guess he's still sleeping idle for 6h 07:05
mdzif they want to07:05
jdubmdz: true07:05
jdubmdz: maybe add to the livecd gdm artwork "login with ..."07:05
mdzjdub: or pre-fill it07:05
mdzwith the autologin username07:05
jdubdon't think we can do that07:05
jdubwithout code changes, at least07:06
mdzyeah, but easy ones07:06
jdubhrm07:06
jdubi think there's a 'remember last user' option07:06
mdzjdub: in 'expert' mode, maybe it would disable autologin entirely07:06
mdzand only seed the username07:06
mdzso the user could select their session or whatever07:06
jdubmmm07:06
jdubnot that there are very useful alternative sessions ;)07:07
mdzno...07:08
amujdub: isnt it possible to define a default user with no login? ex. with kdm you can define such a thing *ducks* 07:08
jdub#DisplayLastLogin=false07:08
mdzamu: that's autologin, which is what we already do07:08
jdubwe can turn that on, at least07:08
jdubmdz: i think he means default user but without actually doing the login (ie. seeding it)07:08
mdzoh, so the same thing I suggested07:09
amujdub: ack07:09
mdzonly cheeky ;-)07:09
jdubheg07:09
amubleh 07:09
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elmoRiddell: ?07:18
Riddellelmo: hi07:19
elmoRiddell: your amarok upload is really broken in some way, it completely killed the archive scripts07:19
elmoRiddell: unfortunately I have to run right now.. I've moved it out of the way, but could you not reupload it and hold off on anymore uploads till I have a chance to figure out why?07:19
elmo[Offhand, I think the version number you used is illegal, but I'm surprised it caused that much chaos if that's all that's wrong] 07:20
chrisaThat's quite a feat07:21
jdubarmed and dangerous07:21
Riddell1.2_beta3-ubuntu1  the underscore should be a dash?07:21
bob2it should be nothing07:24
bob2assuming the upstream version is 1.2beta307:24
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bob2http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version07:26
Riddellbob2: previous versions were 1.2-beta2  but then debuild complains that the version format it wrong so I changed it to an underscore07:26
RiddellI'm so naieve07:26
bob2wow07:26
bob2who packaged it originally?07:26
Riddellbob2: amu 07:28
jdub*bob2 backpedals*07:28
bob2amu: your version numbering wais crackful :-)07:29
amubob2: letme check :-() 07:29
amubob2: uptream version is 1.2-beta2+cvs2004122807:32
amumy version was 1.2-beta2+cvs20041228-1ubuntu1 07:32
amubob2: please explain me what's wrong with my version numbering, execpt to package a cvs version   07:36
mdz          The <upstream_version> may contain only alphanumerics[1]  and the07:38
mdz          characters `.'  `+' `-' `:' (full stop, plus, hyphen, colon) and07:38
mdz          should start with a digit.07:38
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mdz[1]   Alphanumerics are `A-Za-z0-9' only.07:38
mdzamu: ^^07:38
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T-Bonehi07:42
bob2amu: it's ok but confusing to have multiple -'s07:43
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amubob2: err not :) "characC[C[C[C[C[C[Cters . + - : (full stop, plus, hyphen, colon) and should start with a digit" 07:50
bob2oh, and not starting with a number07:51
bob2 * Starting Postfix Mail Transport Agent...08:01
bob2eval: invalid option -- c08:01
bob2postfix/postfix-script: warning: unable to create missing queue directories08:01
bob2 *stfix/postfix-script: fatal: Postfix integrity check failed!           [fail] 08:01
bob2invoke-rc.d: initscript postfix, action "start" failed.08:02
ograelmo ?08:08
T-BoneKamion: ping?08:19
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Riddelldoes anyone have an amd64 machine we could use to test a compile on?08:50
amuRiddell: me  08:52
Riddellamu: you do?  well how about testing that libtunepimp change on it?08:52
amuRiddell: hold on i'll add you an account 08:53
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mxpxpodwhat's up with the gpg signatures?08:56
mxpxpodon the archives08:57
=== T-Bone curses hotplug
doko_mdz: hmm, fabbione didn't want to add an "artifical" version number, did talk with him about it.09:04
fabbionedoko_: ????09:06
T-Bonefabbione: i'm debugging ia64 linux atm, fyi09:06
fabbioneT-Bone: cool09:06
T-Bones/linux/ubuntu/09:06
fabbioneyeah09:06
fabbionemy bitching put you on the right direction :-)09:07
T-Boneran through some very nice issues, the first one being that the kernel package aren't on the daily hoary iso09:07
fabbioneDOH09:07
T-Boneindeed09:07
T-Boneand that's the least of the pains09:08
mdzfabbione: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10.109:08
fabbioneah yeah.. 09:08
doko_fabbione: we did talk about adding the avm drivers as an uuencoded tarball, or upload them with a new lrm source, with an 2.6.10.1 version number. IIRC you wanted to have them uuencoded09:08
T-Bonei'm up to the point where i can boot the box standalone, but now i'm running into some issues i've already met on my ppc box, namely hotplug screwing up09:08
fabbionei suggested..09:08
fabbioneT-Bone: interesting...09:09
T-Bonefabbione: which led me to curse the default kernel configuration for not having builtin support for USB keyboards09:09
fabbionedoko_: don't get me wrong.. but i only suggested..09:09
doko_fabbione: ok, another upload ...09:09
fabbionefor the reason that changing number might require other packages too change to09:10
fabbioneT-Bone: that bounce back to you for not giving me a kernel config :-)09:10
fabbionedoko_: go ahead.. * is fine for me :-)09:10
T-Bonefabbione: yeah, but unfortunately that's a common problem: had the same on my ppc box09:11
T-Bonei ended up completely disabling hardware auto detection and hardcoding mandatory modules through /etc/modules09:11
fabbioneT-Bone: i am pretty sure we have usb keyboard support for PPC09:11
T-Bonethat's exactly what i'm doing on ia64 now09:11
T-Bonefabbione: on warty, usb was support was a module09:12
T-Bonehence you didn't get a keyboard control until _after_ hotplug did its job. And when it didn't... you were screwd (as i am on ia64 ;)09:12
fabbione# USB Input Devices09:12
fabbioneCONFIG_USB_HID=m09:12
fabbioneCONFIG_USB_HIDINPUT=y09:12
fabbioneCONFIG_USB_HIDDEV=y09:12
fabbione# USB HID Boot Protocol drivers09:12
fabbioneCONFIG_USB_KBD=m09:12
fabbioneCONFIG_USB_MOUSE=m09:12
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fabbioneit's there09:13
T-Bonefabbione: 'm'09:13
fabbionedo you need it 'y'?09:13
T-Boneuntil the module gets loaded, you don't have a keyboard09:13
T-Bonefabbione: i do when hotplug screws: you can't interract with the init process until _after_ hotplug loads the module09:13
fabbionetough luck09:13
fabbione:P09:14
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T-Boneit's the 5th time i'm booting on the cd, mounting the fs (rescue udeb doesn't seem to work btw) and editing a few files to get the box to boot09:14
fabbionesec.. i am on the phone09:14
T-Bonei'm in known country since i ran through the same havock on ppc09:14
T-BoneYAY! Box booted!09:17
T-Bonedamn. that was a struggle09:18
T-Boneoh, while i'm at it: i gave warty a try on my 64bit g5 box. can't boot any power4 kernel09:18
fabbionere09:21
fabbioneT-Bone: now.. upgrade the box... get linux-source-2.6.10 (-8)09:22
fabbioneupdate the config in a decent way09:22
fabbioneand send them back to me asap09:22
T-Bonefabbione: heheh, hold on buddy09:22
T-Bonethe box is not in good shape09:22
fabbioneyou don't need to compile09:22
fabbioneit's enough you send me the config09:22
T-Bonei had several failures with base install and had to tweak a lot the install process09:22
T-Boneok09:23
fabbionei can do test builds for you09:23
fabbioneand send you the logs back09:23
T-Bonefabbione: btw, the elilo package doesn't look good to me09:23
T-Boneit installs EFI cruft in /EFI/debian09:23
fabbioneT-Bone: eheh this isn't my port dude :-)09:23
T-Bonelol09:23
fabbionesomebody with ia64 needs to debug and fix09:23
fabbionei only have access to a remote machine where i can compile09:23
fabbioneno console access, no root access09:24
fabbioneso that's all i can offer09:24
T-Bonesure, but i don't have an overwhelming knowledge of all packages, nor all ia64-specific packages09:24
fabbioneT-Bone: that's something we can coordinate in here09:24
fabbionealso most of the basic ia64 stuff is simply dragged from debian09:24
fabbiones/basic/specific09:24
T-Bonei'll ask Bdale about elilo next time i see him online09:25
fabbioneso it mostlikely needs love09:25
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T-Boneyeah i figured that out09:25
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fabbioneand i am back to watch movies :-)09:26
T-Bonelol09:28
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T-Bonefabbione: see what we're discussing with jbailey on #d-kernel. That might actually be the Right Thing to do, and thus keep kernel config consistent with Debian09:35
fabbioneT-Bone: these configs are debian based but they are not the same and can't be09:36
fabbionewe have different hardware support, more drivers09:36
fabbioneetc.09:36
T-Bonegood point09:36
T-Boneanyway please look at what was said on #d-k09:36
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danielsKamion: someone raised an interesting point -- is it worth having separate desktop and server install CDs?09:46
danielsKamion: e.g. ooo out, a2/php4/postgres in09:46
danielsKamion: since data centres in romania often have terrible bandwidth09:46
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lamontbob2: what did you do to postfix??09:48
T-Bonelamont: i did go past the anna problem you told me about, but ran into quite a lot of issues09:48
bob2lamont: I have no idea09:49
bob2lamont: just sudo invoke-rc.d postfix stop09:49
lamontT-Bone: what was the anna issue?09:50
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T-Bonelamont: no clue, wasn't hit. I used the expert mode and carefully selected the modules i needed, for i do not trust hw detection on anything else than x8609:50
T-Bonelamont: hw autodetect did fail shamelessly on my ppc box09:50
bob2lamont: is it fixable?09:50
lamontbob2: will have to check09:51
lamontmdz about?09:51
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bob2hrm, maybe my filesystem is fux0red09:52
T-Bonelamont: i took a few notes about what went wrong, guess i'll mail kamion and you. d-i needs some changes afaict09:52
T-Boneoh09:52
T-Boneand daily ia64 isos need linux-images09:53
T-Bone;)09:53
lamontthose should be there, I thought...09:58
lifelessdaniels: datacentre, romania, two words I didn't expect to hear in the same breath.09:59
T-Bonelamont: tried today's iso, weren't. Got the nice 'no installable kernels were found' fatal error10:00
lamontT-Bone: awesome.10:03
lamontthat's a kamion thing10:03
T-Bonelamont: what?10:03
lamontT-Bone: getting kernels on the cd10:04
T-Boneah ok10:05
T-Bonei'll send you a brief report of the couple of hours i spent on my zx2000 trying to get the damn thing to boot (which i eventually did after quite a lot of pain)10:05
T-Bone:)10:06
lamontactually, that's pretty much anyone... we just need to add them to the right seed....  mdz/jdub OK with that?10:06
T-Bonelamont: there's another problem with libunwind7: tho it's on the cd, for a reason i can't figure out, it doesn't get (properly?) installed and thus screws a few dependancies later on. Installing it by hand solves the issue10:07
dokoT-Bone: which libunwind7 version do you try to install?10:09
lamontthat should just be a debootstrap change10:09
lamontdoko: today's daily-build install10:09
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T-Bonei'm starving10:12
T-Bonebbl10:12
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danielsmdz: when I do l-r-m/l-m for warty, does that go to -security, or -updates?10:14
mdzlamont: here10:16
mdzdaniels: when you do a security update for it, that's -security.  when you fix a critical dataloss bug, that's -updates10:16
lamontlooks like we may need to add the ia64 kernels to the seeds?10:16
lamontmdz^^10:16
mdzlamont: sounds likely10:17
lamontand mono...10:17
lamontdid we decide to pull that from main until it can build itself?  and do we want to upload the 1.0.4 abomination?10:17
mdzI thought we decided that mono wasn't ready for horay10:17
mdzhoary10:17
lamont1.0.4 in universe, then?  or not even that until it can build itself?10:17
danielsmdz: and when l-i changes and makes l-r-m uninstallable, that's ...10:18
danielsmdz: the only change is to get it back in step with a -security update10:18
danielsmdz: (since the latest update took it to .8.1-4)10:19
mdzdaniels: X autoconfig fails on my amd6410:23
mdzit ends up with UseFBDev "true"; "false" works10:23
mdzthe vga16 fb module is loaded, because we came from d-i (live CD)10:23
mdzdaniels: er10:23
mdzdaniels: kernel security updates should include a new l-r-m if the ABI changes10:24
mdzfabbione, pitti: ?10:24
mdzs/should/MUST/10:24
danielsmdz: errr ... wack10:24
mdzlamont: universe, sure10:24
danielsmdz: ok, so that (l-r-m)'s -security, then?10:24
amudaniels: X autoconfig fails on my amd64, changing from autodetected nv to vesa, works  10:25
mdzdaniels: yes, it would be, if in fact pitti/fabbione did not update it10:25
danielsgood god10:25
lamontok.  once I see the source back in universe, I'll deal with the upload.10:25
danielsmdz: currently, if we have a usable framebuffer, and it's not offb/vesa, we attempt to use it10:26
amudaniels: +i386 ... ppc with ati on testqueue :)  10:26
danielsmdz: ok10:26
mdzdaniels: maybe vga16 should be added to that list of exclusions?10:26
mdzdunno what the problem is10:26
mdzcan get you a log10:26
danielsmdz: fixing the usefbdev mess will be a total shit, but i'll have a look at it10:26
danielsmdz: /proc/fb would be useful10:26
danielsamu: heh10:26
mdzok, next boot10:26
danielsi'm very much tempted to whitelist UseFBDev, the same way I've whitelisted HorizSync/VertRefresh10:27
danielsiirc the only one that really needs it is nv/powerpc10:27
amudaniels: i think pitti has those combination10:28
danielsamu: yeah, a few dyo10:31
danielsthe nv driver is complete crap, it does about the rough equivalent of drooling on the keyboard and hoping it'll work10:31
danielsneeds all the assistance it can get to program modes10:32
amudaniels: unfortunately, i guess 30-35% of all new laptops/desktops comes with nvidia, i have too much trouble before with nv and gnoppix  10:33
danielsamu: mercifully, most i386 laptops are i8xx, which we can do fine now10:35
tritiumIs useradd or adduser preferred?10:36
Treenaksadduser I think10:38
Treenaksuseradd is more "low-level"10:38
mdzKamion: hmm, current powerpc live CD doesn't boot for me10:39
mdzand is suspiciously small10:39
tritiumTreenaks, thanks.10:39
amudaniels: proc/fb 0 VGA16 VGA ( it's a GeForce FX Go 5200 )10:39
mdzdaniels: ^^ that's what mine looked like, too10:40
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mdzlamont: amd64 cloop image contains the wrong kernel modules10:45
mdzlamont: needs to be updated to 2.6.10-210:45
mdzKamion: re-burning fixed it, nm10:46
mdzthough it is strange that it is smaller than i38610:46
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mdzpowerpc live CD++10:54
amumdz: a ugly workaround for this nv problem is booting with linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false10:54
mdzdaniels, amu: this was going to become a problem with usplash anyway, so may as well fix it now10:55
fabbionemdz: ?11:00
T-Bonefabbione: is that fabbione@c.c ?11:00
fabbioneyea11:00
T-Bonek11:00
fabbione<mdz> fabbione, pitti: ?11:03
mdzfabbione: did you guys upload linux 2.6.8.1-4 without updating linux-restricted-modules?11:07
fabbionemdz: no idea.. it's herbert/pitti that do warty11:07
fabbionewas -4 the one that changed the ABI?11:08
mdzyes11:08
fabbionei remember i was in CC because i was doing hoary and you, pitti and herbert were discussing the problem11:09
fabbionebut i didn't check if l-r-m was upload after that11:09
mdzI just finished (finally) converting my mythtv box to ubuntu11:12
mdztotal 6 in the house now :-)11:12
fabbionemdz: still one less than me :-)11:13
fabbionei am up to 7 ubuntu and one debian11:13
fabbione:P11:13
fabbioneand when i will be back from my honeymoon i will need to clean that up too :-)11:13
mdzfabbione: I could put ubuntu on the zaurus to catch up11:17
fabbioneyeah but i run the only l33t hoary sparc in the world :-)11:18
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fabbionespaaaarc.... elmo are you around?11:21
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mdzfabbione: Jan 15 10:21:33 <elmo>  Riddell: unfortunately I have to run right now11:37
mdz(4 hours ago)11:37
fabbionemdz: ok thanks :-)11:38

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