[08:58] (firstknight/#ubuntu) how do I enable antialiasing font? My font looks like a crap in ubuntu after playing with kcontrol....
[09:01] <knghtbrd> I think I need a table that doesn't exist yet.
[09:02] <brian> i have a fat32 partition in and extended one along with my swap and i want to delete that fat 32 and use the space for my ext3 linux partition is that possible?
[09:02] <brian> an*
[09:04] <Se7h> brian r u on ubuntu or windows?
[09:05] <Se7h> time out
[09:05] <Se7h> im gone
[09:06] <brian> ubuntu atm
[09:06] <brian> i can use my mandrake cd to partition ne ways
[09:06] <froust> brian: you can also use fdisk to partition
[09:11] <froust> how do i list off the packages i have installed with apt-get?
[09:11] <linux-rulz> use synaptic and u can see everything that is installed
[09:12] <knghtbrd> I have LCD.  There are certain resolutions that are guaranteed to work properly.
[09:12] <froust> "with apt-get"
[09:12] <froust> i like command line :)
[09:12] <froust> any does anyone know where i can get the normal firefox icon?
[09:12] <linux-rulz> oh i read that as you installed them with apt-get and then wanted to know how to list them, likewith anything
[09:12] <froust> s/any/and
[09:13] <froust> i try to learn the command line before using the gui
[09:13] <froust> you always have the command line
[09:13] <linux-rulz> froust: install the normal firefox package from mozilla.org
[09:13] <froust> ahh
[09:13] <froust> so uninstall firefox
[09:13] <froust> then install from mozilla
[09:14] <linux-rulz> yep, apt-get remove mozilla-firefox
[09:14] <linux-rulz> and then install it from the tarball
[09:14] <froust> last time i did that it buggered up
[09:15] <linux-rulz> how did it bugger up? i am using it just fine (not for the icon, but because i wanted 1.0)
[09:15] <froust> i have 1.0
[09:15] <linux-rulz> how did u get that, through a backport or hoary or something
[09:15] <linux-rulz> ?
[09:16] <froust> hoary
[09:16] <linux-rulz> oh, lol, nvm, i am on warty
[09:16] <froust> you can get hoary packages by doing the changes in sources.list and then just doing an apt-get update, upgrade
[09:16] <froust> no dist-upgrade
[09:17] <linux-rulz> ah...i think ill stick with warty packages for now
[09:18] <linux-rulz> anyways, im off, ttyl
[09:20] <brian> is there a gtk2 front for fdisk?
[09:20] <Greves> ubuntu eh?
[09:20] <froust> yes
[09:20] <froust> ubuntu
[09:23] <FLeiXiuS> qtparted ?
[09:24] <FLeiXiuS> http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/
[09:24] <brian> thats a frontend for parted
[09:24] <FLeiXiuS> Works just as well :-)
[09:25] <brian> i was using gparted and some partitions are locked u cant edit them becuase theyre mounted
[09:25] <brian> any way to unmount swap?
[09:26] <HappyFool> see man swapoff  -- but use at your own risk
[09:26] <brian> i have 1mb in my swap atm
[09:26] <HappyFool> maybe you should boot into single-user mode, or use a boot cd or rescue disk or something ?
[09:26] <brian> and more than enough ram left
[09:26] <brian> yea
[09:26] <brian> ill use my mandrake cd to partition
[09:27] <HappyFool> the ubuntu install cd can be used...
[09:27] <HappyFool> oh well
[09:30] <Greves> so whats the deal with ubuntu? is it great?
[09:30] <froust> Yes.
[09:34] <randabis> ubuntu > all
[09:35] <Arsenal> hiyas guys
[09:35] <Arsenal> I got a prob
[09:35] <Greves> why is ubuntu so damn good?
[09:36] <Arsenal> hello
[09:36] <FLeiXiuS> Greves, try it out is all i can offer..
[09:36] <Arsenal> i got a prob guys can anyone help me pls
[09:36] <mebaran> Could anyone help me out with a codec problem on Hoary?
[09:36] <HappyFool> Arsenal: just tell us the problem. someone might be able to help.
[09:36] <Arsenal> well
[09:36] <Arsenal> my problem is win
[09:36] <klaym> how good is the network security on Ubuntu by default?
[09:37] <mebaran> I dlled the W32 codecs from the mplayer site, but they seem to be unable to work.
[09:37] <Arsenal> i got a 20 hd (sux)  and its a ntfs partition
[09:37] <mebaran> I am on ubuntu AMD64
[09:37] <Arsenal> how do i partition it
[09:37] <Arsenal> so that i dont lose win
[09:37] <mebaran> Arsenal:  You might want to try a free tool, like Qtparted
[09:37] <mebaran> that does resizing easily.
[09:38] <mebaran> Comes on a bootable rescue CD, SystemRescue CD or some such.
[09:38] <Greves> try eh? hmmm
[09:38] <HappyFool> Greves: there are many ubuntu reviews available on line
[09:38] <Greves> HappyFool: i'm looking around - not so easy to do on links :D
[09:38] <Arsenal> qtparted?
[09:38] <calc> ubuntu is good because it doesn't use rpm :)
[09:39] <mebaran> Arsenal: Yeah
[09:39] <Arsenal> well
[09:39] <Arsenal> i dont wanna lose win
[09:39] <mebaran> Arsenal: QtParted works like PartitionMagic
[09:39] <mebaran> I resized my NTFS that way
[09:39] <Arsenal> aha
[09:39] <Greves> calc: most distros don't use rpm
[09:39] <mebaran> it actually uses a slightly safer tool do it
[09:39] <Arsenal> and is it on DOS?
[09:39] <HappyFool> Greves: you can get an ubuntu CD mailed to you for free here: http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[09:39] <calc> Greves: most big ones do, besides debian/ubuntu :)
[09:39] <Arsenal> i got a cd
[09:39] <mebaran> Arsenal: well not exactly
[09:39] <Greves> HappyFool: they actualy mail it for free? no shipping?
[09:39] <HappyFool> yip
[09:40] <Greves> wowserz
[09:40] <Arsenal> yup
[09:40] <Arsenal> no nothin
[09:40] <Greves> is it easy to set up? like put in the CD ... wait ... use it?
[09:40] <calc> conectiva/fedora/mandrake/novell/rhel/suse/turbo
[09:40] <Greves> calc: you forgot gentoo
[09:40] <HappyFool> Greves: the package comes with a live cd which you can just use without installing
[09:41] <Greves> HappyFool: ok, but assuming i would want to install it? livecds dont tell you much about the distro
[09:41] <HappyFool> Greves: and with an install cd that (obviously) installs ubuntu onto your machine
[09:41] <Greves> i've used knoppix god knows how many times and dont know a thing about debian
[09:41] <jdub> calc: but debian and ubuntu are STRONGER THAN THEM ALL! riowr! :-) :-)
[09:41] <Greves> HappyFool: but is it as simple or easier than say a windows install?
[09:41] <calc> Greves: http://www.funroll-loops.org/gentoo.jpg
[09:41] <calc> jdub: yes
[09:42] <HappyFool> Greves: umm, if you are willing to let ubuntu be the only OS, pretty easy
[09:42] <Greves> calc: hahahaha
[09:42] <Greves> HappyFool: why would i need another, if its so great? ;)
[09:42] <HappyFool> Greves: otherwise, if you have a clue about partitioning etc, very easy
[09:43] <Greves> calc: why don't you like gentoo?
[09:43] <sabdfl> hey guys, how do i make a segfaulting program generate a core dump?
[09:43] <calc> Greves: there is no point, i used it a short while 4-5 years ago, but found it was very lacking in major areas and very slow as well
[09:43] <HappyFool> sabdfl: try 'help ulimit' (assuming you're using bash -- don't know other shells)
[09:44] <jdub> sabdfl: ulimit -c unlimited
[09:44] <jdub> sabdfl: then run the program
[09:44] <Greves> calc: what major areas would those be?
[09:45] <jdub> sabdfl: ulimit -a should tell you the state of core file size limit on the first line
[09:45] <calc> package management
[09:45] <calc> and some other things i don't recall, i just found it to be a major step backwards from deb/rpm based dists
[09:45] <jdub> $ man ulimit
[09:45] <jdub> No manual entry for ulimit
[09:45] <jdub> ^ hoary
[09:45] <jdub> ...
[09:45] <jdub> BUG!
[09:45] <calc> things like configuration of programs, etc
[09:46] <calc> and if its a phallic thing lfs gets you a lot farther than gentoo can
[09:46] <sabdfl> jdub: that's what bit me too
[09:46] <jdub> hrm, ulimit is a shell internal
[09:46] <HappyFool> 'help ulimit'
[09:46] <sabdfl> thanks all
[09:47] <jdub> HappyFool: yeah
[09:47] <Greves> calc: so why use ubuntu not lfs?
[09:47] <calc> i would recommend someone that really wanted to learn linux to use lfs over a regular dist as well, but for ease of use the others are better
[09:47] <fabbione> jdub: ulimit is an internal sh. there is no man page.
[09:47] <calc> Greves: because i already know linux, been using it over 10 years, etc
[09:47] <fabbione> jdub: well there is an ulimit(3)
[09:47] <Greves> calc: ease of use = hence, why gentoo is better
[09:47] <fabbione> jdub: otherwise man <shell>
[09:48] <jdub> fabbione: yeah, just dawning on that
[09:48] <Greves> IMO, anyway, i can't say that compared to ubuntu since i haven't used it
[09:48] <sabdfl> is it safe to send a core file upstream for examination, or should I check for passwords etc first?
[09:48] <mebaran> Could anyone help me set up the w32codecs in AMD64?
[09:48] <calc> lfs/gentoo have no real point over learning and ease of use in learning is a detriment
[09:48] <calc> since you don't learn as much ;)
[09:48] <Greves> haha
[09:48] <mebaran> I checked the repoes and tried to manually force it into a usr/lib/win32 direcotry
[09:48] <Greves> well, i set up an lfs too and it was just too much of a pain in the ass to maintain
[09:48] <Greves> i like portage fine ;)
[09:48] <jdub> calc: what you learn with lfs/gentoo is kinda facile though
[09:48] <calc> Greves: yes neither is good for long term use imho
[09:49] <mebaran> I am illiterate so LFS is out of the question
[09:49] <Greves> calc: does ubuntu haev a package management system?
[09:49] <sabdfl> Greves: hell yes
[09:49] <Greves> jdub: thats not exactly true... lfs is repetitive, yes, but you do learn alot along the way
[09:49] <mebaran> Greeves: the best
[09:49] <Greves> hmmm how does this "best" package management system work? does it have as many options as debian?
[09:49] <calc> jdub: true, lfs didn't exist when i started using linux so i just learned from a book and slackware 2
[09:50] <HappyFool> Greves: ubuntu is based on debian. ubuntu uses apt
[09:50] <bob2> mebaran: er, they won't do anything on amd64
[09:50] <Greves> so how is it better than debian's apt?
[09:50] <HappyFool> err
[09:50] <calc> but from looking at it a few years ago it did seem to make the user aware of things like how building under linux actually works, etc
[09:50] <jdub> Greves: it *is* debian's apt.
[09:50] <HappyFool> it's the same, i think ;)
[09:50] <calc> which gentoo hides for the most part
[09:50] <bob2> Greves: it *is* debian's apt
[09:50] <Greves> so ubuntu = debian ?
[09:50] <calc> though with gentoo you still get the downside of it taking forever to get packages installed
[09:50] <bob2> Greves: no
[09:50] <bob2> Greves: it has it's own repositories
[09:51] <jdub> calc: it's a bit like "made sushi before? no? here's a blindfold and some seaweed!"
[09:51] <Greves> calc: but thats one of the great things, automated compiling of packages, so you can get the best install possible for your system without messing around with compile options and paths each time...
[09:51] <calc> jdub: rotflmao, yea i guess that is a good point, perhaps it should include some more chapters explaining better what you are actually doing
[09:52] <calc> Greves: and you save more time with those optimized builds than you wasted by building them in the first place?
[09:52] <Greves> calc: sure, i do it while i sleep if its something that will take a while
[09:52] <jdub> Greves: choosing your own compiler options just means you *have* to build stuff, not that it will work better/faster. :-)
[09:52] <calc> if your system is always building packages you are wasting most of your cycles on that so the 1% speed improvement in the app isn't going to be noticed at all
[09:53] <calc> even going from i386 -> amd64 compiling doesn't do that huge of a speed up from i386 -> i686 probably gains well under 5%
[09:53] <jdub> i was amazed how many people crammed silly compiler options into GARNOME and ran everything slower than it would if they used the normal boring options :)
[09:53] <calc> i wouldn't be surprised if 1% is exaggerating the benefit
[09:53] <Greves> lol jdub :P
[09:53] <bob2> haha
[09:53] <bob2> or the way people blithely use -ffast-math
[09:54] <bob2> and -fomit-frame-pointer
[09:54] <Greves> they're telling me in #gentoo that ubuntu is lacking severly in amount of packages and working packages that are available
[09:54] <jdub> Greves: it has roughly as many as debian, since all of debian is compiled for it
[09:54] <bob2> yes, #gentoo is often confused
[09:54] <calc> last i checked ubuntu had 12K+ packages
[09:55] <Greves> calc: last i checked gentoo had 100,000+
[09:55] <calc> Greves: heh sure
[09:55] <Greves> well, including multiple versions
[09:55] <jdub> haha
[09:55] <bob2> so that's not a useful measure
[09:55] <bob2> shockingly
[09:55] <Greves> lol
[09:55] <jdub> wait, let's count how many packages are on archive.debian ;)
[09:55] <Greves> lmao
[09:55] <calc> jdub: well with how seldom debian releases, probably under 50K
[09:56] <bob2> snapshot.debian.net is a better measure
[09:56] <jdub> bob2: bah, that's what i was thinking fo ;)
[09:56] <calc> though if you count the individual packages on snapshot.d.n you will reach several hundred thousand, or millions
[09:56] <jdub> very scary though
[09:56] <jdub> t
[09:57] <Greves> i'm still unsure as to why you guys prefer ubuntu to debian
[09:57] <Greves> debian seems free, community-esque, and has lots of packages
[09:57] <jdub> Greves: the number one important thing about gentoo is that it has lowered the bar to contribution
[09:57] <jdub> Greves: which is precisely what ubuntu is attempting to do for debian
[09:57] <calc> Greves: because the main debian guys all got hired by canonical so they work mostly on ubuntu :)
[09:57] <nevyn> Greves: the release cycle is a problem.
[09:58] <nevyn> ubuntu has the same packages that debian has plus a few more.
[09:58] <Greves> hmm
[09:58] <Greves> i may have to try this so-called "ubuntu"
[09:58] <calc> ubutnu only officially supports about 2000 packages which helps it to release more often
[09:58] <Greves> any of you personally dual booted winxp and ubuntu on the same hdd?
[09:59] <calc> plus it doesn't have 1000+ developers pulling in all directions trying to get hot-babe into the dist
[09:59] <Greves> currently i have half my drive with a windows install on it that i can't lose
[09:59] <calc> Greves: yeds
[09:59] <calc> Greves: er yes
[09:59] <nevyn> I setup a laptop for a client yesterday.
[09:59] <nevyn> the config stuff is EVIL
[09:59] <nevyn> EVIL++
[10:00] <nevyn> OEM windows sucks worse than std windows
[10:00] <calc> nevyn: debian did by just putting it in
[10:00] <gabaug> what pkgs are needed for dvd playback?
[10:00] <nevyn> calc: that's not solved. that's ignored.
[10:00] <calc> nevyn: and from what everyone on #debian-devel seemed to claim that decoding patents don't matter
[10:00] <nevyn> gabaug: see restricted formats on the wiki.
[10:00] <gabaug> nevyn: thanks
[10:00] <calc> gabaug: libdvdcss and totem-xine work good
[10:00] <nevyn> calc: the law would seem to disagree.
[10:00] <calc> gabaug: wiki has the urls
[10:01] <froust> Anyone ever see this error? -> dpkg: warning, architecture `amd64' not in remapping table
[10:01] <calc> nevyn: yea it does seem odd, and ffmpeg is in main now which even includes the encoders
[10:01] <nevyn> I know.
[10:01] <froust> Greves: I'm dual booting right now
[10:01] <Greves> is there a minimal ubuntu install CD i can download quickly?
[10:01] <nevyn> xine and ffmpeg should NOT be in main.
[10:01] <calc> nevyn: i brought it up on debian-devel mailing list and no one seemed to care
[10:02] <Greves> why? xine is decent
[10:02] <nevyn> that said free software dealing with the current patent landmine is.. painful.
[10:02] <calc> i guess once some mirrors get sued then debian will care, but will be a bit late at that time
[10:02] <bob2> Greves: er, because it violates a trillion patents?
[10:02] <nevyn> Greves: it implements algorithms that are patented.
[10:02] <calc> Greves: yes there is a mini.iso you can do a net install with, about 5MB
[10:02] <nevyn> whether you agree with patents or not. this does make them unlawful.
[10:03] <Greves> calc thats just what i'm looking for, i will brb, need to boot into windows to burn that CD
[10:04] <nevyn> I mean it just sucks for normal users who load up the system and go. this is crap I can't play my music or watch my dvd's
[10:04] <nevyn> and then run back to oem windows which does do all this stuff.
[10:05] <bob2> well
[10:05] <bob2> windows doesn't include many codecs either
[10:05] <gabaug> where is the debian-marillat repository?
[10:05] <bob2> for stuff other than mp3/wav/asf you need extra plugins
[10:05] <froust> Anyone know where I can d/l the normal firefox icon (not the globe, the fox)
[10:05] <HappyFool> gabuag: see ubuntuguide.org
[10:06] <gabaug> froust: http://images.google.com/images?as_q=firefox&svnum=10&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&imgsz=icon&as_filetype=&imgc=&as_sitesearch=&safe=images
[10:07] <Greves> time do DL ubuntu :D
[10:10] <Greves> is my current set up ok for installing ubuntu? i have 4 partitions, 1st is winxp, 2nd is /boot, 3rd is swap, and 4th is for /
[10:10] <bob2> yes
[10:10] <bob2> there's no need for /boot on a seperate partition, tho
[10:10] <jdub> Greves: you're installing over that, or adding more partitions?
[10:11] <Greves> jdub: well i hadn't had gentoo installed yet, i was just about to start when i came in here
[10:11] <jdub> Greves: if you've got four primary partitions, you won't be able to add extended/logical partitions
[10:11] <Greves> jdub: not a problem, i dont need any
[10:11] <jdub> Greves: ok. recommend putting swap at the end of the disk.
[10:11] <Greves> oh yeah?
[10:11] <Greves> hmmm can i mess around in fdisk as long as i dont touch hda1, and not harm winxp?
[10:12] <jdub> it won't be fdisk, but yes
[10:12] <calc> jdub: putting it at the end makes it faster, or for some other reason?
[10:12] <jdub> calc: disk heads switch there faster
[10:12] <calc> ah ok
[10:12] <calc> i've always put it at the beginning, heh
[10:12] <froust> how can i find out where my swap is mounted (in relation to the drive)
[10:13] <froust> i think i put it at the end
[10:13] <jdub> calc: only really matters on machines where swap performance matters (not a desktop issue, generally)
[10:13] <froust> but i don't remember
[10:13] <calc> jdub: ok
[10:13] <jdub> froust: run cfdisk /dev/hda (or whatever your device is)
[10:13] <froust> doesn't list which one is which though
[10:14] <globule> Hi !
[10:14] <HappyFool> sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[10:14] <HappyFool> oh, no, that doesn't help
[10:15] <scylax> hi
[10:15] <bob2> it lists them in partition order
[10:15] <bob2> which is almost certainly disk order-ish
[10:15] <jdub> froust: cfdisk will tell you which one is swap, and what order they're in
[10:15] <froust> aah
[10:15] <froust> thanks
[10:15] <Greves> jdub so i'll delete a2 a3 a4, make a2 = /, a3 = swap, and thats ok? (neither bootable, winxp is boot)
[10:16] <jdub> Greves: sure.
[10:16] <jdub> Greves: or you could delete the partitions and say "use free space" in the partitioner
[10:16] <jdub> winxp will automatically be added to the grub menu
[10:16] <Greves> cool
[10:16] <Greves> where do i download the 5mb version?
[10:16] <Greves> i only see the big 500mb iso
[10:16] <froust> jdub: didn't add mine...
[10:16] <froust> mine keeps getting erased
[10:16] <reuben> Grub is nicer than the windows loader
[10:18] <calc> can you stick swap inside a lvm?
[10:18] <calc> hmm nm you can't boot directly out of a lvm
[10:18] <jdub> you can use a swap file instead of a swap partition ;)
[10:19] <jdub> unfortunately, i don't think suspend-to-disk can handle that yet
[10:19] <Greves> so the 500mb full install is the only option?
[10:19] <jdub> mjg59: dude?
[10:19] <ajmitch> calc: yeah, I've got to go through the painful process of converting my box to using lvm
[10:19] <jdub> Greves: yes. get the warty install cd.
[10:19] <Greves> jdub: i thought i could do a network install that came with a smaller cd?
[10:20] <jdub> Greves: we don't have a mini cd image
[10:20] <Greves> oh ok
[10:20] <wezzer> wohoo!
[10:20] <HappyFool> hrm, someone said there was one earlier. oops ;)
[10:20] <wezzer> I'm so happy, ubuntu cd's arrived!
[10:21] <Greves> heheeh wezzer:P
[10:21] <calc> jdub: there is a mini.iso that does net install ;)
[10:21] <calc> jdub: is that not supposed to be publicized?
[10:21] <Greves> calc: where? :D i want to use that heh
[10:22] <reuben> i hope my ubuntu discs come soon! i got 20 before, took them into school, gave them to the IT staff, they asked for more:P
[10:22] <jdub> oh, boh, of course there is
[10:22] <jdub> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[10:22] <calc> hehe
[10:22] <calc> Greves: see jdub's link :)
[10:22] <jdub> calc: i always forget about that.
[10:22] <Greves> cool
[10:22] <scylax> hehe
[10:22] <HappyFool> reuben: cool. you are allowed to make copies, you know ;)
[10:22] <Greves> and that will be just as easy to install as the full version?
[10:22] <scylax> i gave them to my students
[10:22] <jdub> Greves: yes, albeit a pretty chunky download.
[10:22] <Greves> thats fine
[10:23] <scylax> i was so sorry to see them using mandrake :D
[10:23] <jdub> Greves: it's probably easier to download the full install cd so you have something to fall back on later.
[10:23] <calc> Greves: if you don't want to do a complete install you can use expert mode
[10:23] <Greves> jdub: i just want to use the mini for now, i have a full CD on the way ;)
[10:23] <jdub> scylax: isn't that a matter of national pride? :)
[10:23] <scylax> mdk? perhaps...
[10:23] <jdub> calc: now you do get lynched for that :)
[10:23] <scylax> they think it's easy... i see bugs everywhere *lol*
[10:24] <jdub> Greves: do a normal install, ignore the 'custom' and 'expert' choices, they don't do anything useful (for desktop systems0
[10:25] <Greves> jdub: ok
[10:26] <Greves> cool mini is done, gonna go try to install this and hope i dont fuck up my winxp install in the process :)
[10:26] <calc> <subliminal message>run dselect</subliminal message>
[10:26] <_martin> It takes me a very long time to log on. Any pointers on where to look for the problem?
[10:26] <froust> greves: i didn't have any problems, and i did repartitioning of my xp partition prior to install :)
[10:27] <jdub> calc: vicious man.
[10:27] <calc> _martin: i don't know if gnome has the same issue with loopback, but kde sometimes goes really slowly in the loopback interface is not up
[10:27] <calc> jdub: heh :)
[10:27] <_martin> calc: how can I check if loopback is up or not at login?
[10:28] <calc> _martin: run /sbin/ifconfig
[10:28] <calc> if you see "lo" interface it is up
[10:28] <calc> jdub: btw does gnome have that same sort of problem?
[10:29] <_martin> Sure, I've got loopback up now, but perhaps it's slow starting...
[10:29] <_martin> I first thought there might be a DNS timeout somewhere but found nothing.
[10:29] <jdub> calc: yeah
[10:29] <froust> I've finally got my box up and running and relatively behaving itself.
[10:30] <froust> I'm not quite sure what to do with myself now.
[10:30] <calc> _martin: was it always slow and did it just start to slow down after some event?
[10:30] <_martin> calc: I usually run my own, custom kernel, but switching back to the Ubuntu kernel introduced the problem!
[10:31] <calc> jdub: btw seen fc3, it seems redhat got the idea to use the (near) default look of gnome from ubuntu ;)
[10:31] <jdub> calc: heh
[10:31] <calc> appears they threw away the bluecurve desktop junk, heh
[10:32] <jdub> huh?
[10:32] <calc> or whatever that win95'ish thing at the bottom was called that they used
[10:32] <scylax> you don't like bluecurve?
[10:32] <jdub> i got a pc mag with fc3 on the dvd, but as isos to pull off and burn
[10:32] <calc> well i didn't like the old pre-fc3 bottom bar
[10:32] <deadshell> froust, common problem with linux once you get it the way you like it you wanna start something new
[10:32] <jdub> calc: oh, bluecurve is just the theme
[10:32] <calc> ah ok
[10:32] <scylax> yes
[10:32] <jdub> calc: bottom bar was just red hat default configuration
[10:32] <froust> Hehe... Yeah... I'm just trying to figure out what I"m going to do now to bugger it up
[10:32] <calc> yea bluecurve itself is nice, that bottom bar was ugly
[10:32] <jdub> (because that's all kde could do)
[10:33] <scylax> i like the GUI tool to configure services in FC3 :)
[10:33] <calc> jdub: oh they had it so that you could switch to kicker and have it look identical?
[10:33] <deadshell> froust, what kernel you using now?
[10:33] <froust> 2.6.8 amd 64 k8
[10:33] <jdub> calc: that was some kind of handwavy goal, yeah
[10:33] <froust> .10 and i don't get along
[10:33] <calc> hmm ok
[10:33] <deadshell> oooh a 64 cool
[10:33] <jdub> calc: but i think in fedora they realised all the users though that was LCD
[10:34] <calc> yea
[10:34] <deadshell> i'm running .10 but i'm also running mepis
[10:34] <froust> when i run .10
[10:34] <froust> my resolution goes squirrely
[10:34] <froust> and my panel disappears
[10:34] <froust> and it's not pretty
[10:35] <calc> jdub: btw is there any way to format a cd/dvd in ubuntu now besides using the command line with dvd+rw-tools?
[10:35] <calc> i didn't see any option in nautilus to do it
[10:35] <calc> that might be something useful to add, if its not already there but hidden well
[10:36] <froust> I want to embed a terminal into my desktop\
[10:36] <froust> but so far no luck
[10:37] <jdub> calc: i think n-c-b automatically formats before writing
[10:37] <jdub> calc: but i'm not sure if you can explicitly do it
[10:37] <bob2> froust: 'embed'?
[10:37] <calc> it didn't work for me last night, perhaps there was some other issue, i'll have to look at it again
[10:39] <froust> yeah...
[10:39] <froust> I don't even know if it can be done, but it would be handy
[10:40] <calc> probably would be something like always on bottom with no border
[10:40] <calc> i think there is a way to do it with some terminal apps, not sure about gnome-terminal
[10:40] <jeanre_> lo all
[10:44] <ergo> hi everyone
[10:44] <jeanre_> where do I put my gnome themes I get from gnome-look?
[10:45] <ergo> can someone help me?.. I am trying to install the ubuntu linux from the .iso found on the web but as soon as i burn it and place it to my PC it tells me it is a non bootable disk..
[10:46] <ergo> how can I make it bootable?
[10:46] <froust> ergo
[10:46] <jeanre_> ergo, what cd writting prog are you using
[10:46] <froust> what program are you usgin?
[10:46] <ergo> nero 6 Ultra edition
[10:47] <froust> jeanre_, just download them anywhere, then go to themes, then install, and select
[10:47] <froust> ergo, start the nero burning rom, then exit out of the wizard it launches, select recorder from the menu, then burn image
[10:47] <ergo> ok.. let me check
[10:47] <jono> what is the default username/password for postgresql?
[10:48] <jeanre_> froust, can I pm you?
[10:51] <outworld> hi guys, I current have a dual boot setup with XP / Suse 9.1 , I want to format the suse partitions and install ubuntu on top. Will this install / overwrite my current bootloader ?
[10:51] <jdub> yeah
[10:51] <outworld> k thanks
[10:51] <outworld> :)
[10:52] <gabaug> anybody done the stuff from HoaryPM (on the wiki) to get hoary to suspend? the instructions aren't matching what I'm seeing..
[10:52] <ergo> ok .. I am burning the image
[10:54] <froust> :D
[10:55] <ergo> thanx for the help froust :)
[10:55] <firstknight> any idea, when I type number like 0 until 9, the size is ver small in most every application.....???
[10:56] <HappyFool> you mean 0123456789 becomes a small number? or something else?
[10:56] <firstknight> yes
[10:57] <HappyFool> in which app?
[10:57] <firstknight> Firefox, synaptic
[10:58] <firstknight> battery status applet
[10:58] <firstknight> date applet
[10:58] <jeromey> I have a hunch that I downloaded the wrong cd ...
[10:58] <jeromey> Installation hangs at "ACPI: Processor [CPU0]  (supports C1 C2 C3)
[10:59] <jeromey> any ideas ?
[10:59] <nevyn> jeromey: which cd did you download?
[10:59] <nevyn> and what cpu do you have?
[10:59] <jeromey> Pentium 4 2.66
[11:00] <nevyn> and which cd did you download?
[11:00] <firstknight> what package do I have to install so that I can have gmake command???
[11:00] <HappyFool> firstknight: can you give a specific example? using, say, firefox?
[11:00] <HappyFool> make, probably
[11:00] <jeromey> warty-release-install-i386.iso
[11:00] <HappyFool> or build-essential
[11:01] <froust> ergo: letm e know if it works
[11:01] <mjg59> jdub: Yo?
[11:01] <firstknight> HappyFool, yes numbers in firefox is very small....
[11:02] <HappyFool> firstknight: can you give me a precise example ? in a dialog box, on a web page, where in firefox?
[11:02] <jeromey> did i download the wrong one ?
[11:03] <firstknight> HappyFool, all except in html page
[11:05] <HappyFool> firstknight: ok, i typed in 0123456789 for "remebber visited pages for the N days", and it turned that into 342391
[11:05] <froust> Who gave me the URL to the firefox icon?
[11:06] <HappyFool> i'm guessing that is some sort of sensible "maximum" -- 342391 is more than 900 years, afaict
[11:06] <mchasard> hi theres another beta on the gnoppix webpage ?
[11:06] <_d4vid> hi all
[11:06] <HappyFool> that might be what's happening in other cases too
[11:06] <mchasard> the previous no way to recongnized my ethernet card
[11:17] <seymour> heya
[11:18] <seymour> guys, i need a hand on installing the latest ver of rhythmbox from hoary reps, using warty
[11:19] <jdub> seymour: that's not encouraged, lots of stuff will break
[11:19] <jdub> seymour: i believe there's a backports project that includes firefox
[11:19] <jdub> even so, firefox in warty is fine
[11:20] <seymour> jdub, backports project?
[11:20] <seymour> how can i access that?
[11:20] <jdub> someone's set something up on sourceforge i think
[11:20] <jdub> totally unsupporteed, etc.
[11:21] <fab__> Bonjour :)
[11:21] <HappyFool> good day ;)
[11:21] <fab__> how are you?
[11:22] <HappyFool> doing well thanks. you?
[11:22] <sap> i was going to ask a similar question to seymour ... i'm looking to use kernel 2.6.10 from hoary on a warty machine.
[11:22] <sap> is this not recommended either?
[11:22] <fab__> fine thanks
[11:23] <Firsti> Wtf
[11:23] <jdub> sap: that's slightly easier
[11:24] <sap> jdub: right, I'll give it a go then - thanks
[11:24] <fab__> everybody is english?
[11:24] <topyli> i decided my nokia serial cable is broken and got a infrared thingy. let's see if i can set it up :)
[11:25] <HappyFool> fab__: well, i think most people use english here. there is also #ubuntu-fr, which i presume uses french
[11:26] <fab__> thx happyfool
[11:26] <topyli> yep, there's also #ubuntu-es, -fi at least
[11:27] <froust> How do I change where a window opens by default (the location on the screen)
[11:30] <topyli> froust: dunno. my windows always appear in the stupidest place by default :(
[11:31] <froust> same here, it's really annoying
[11:32] <froust> they're always halfway off the screen or something stupid like that
[11:37] <topyli> grr. there seems to be no easy way to determine what my new infrared dongle actually is
[11:38] <froust> i'm off
[11:39] <froust> night
[11:43] <Moiana> Greetings
[11:43] <anti_> hi
[11:44] <Moiana> I would like to add the Marillat sources to Ubuntu APT (DVD-CSS, mplayer, etc. Which Debian distro should I use? Testing or Unstable? (Sarge/Sid)
[11:44] <Moiana> s/distro/repository
[11:45] <randabis> either should be okay
[11:45] <randabis> might wanna use testing, don't think it matters
[11:45] <Moiana> randabis: on top of which is ubuntu built upon? would you know?
[11:45] <Moiana> it matters for dependencies
[11:46] <jdub> Moiana: don't use debian repositories with ubuntu
[11:47] <Moiana> it would work on maybe 80% fo the cases, but then, 20% could find broken deps. I can live with that, I just would like to do everything as " ubuntu-ish"  as possible :)
[11:47] <jdub> Moiana: we provide the universe and multiverse repositories, which include almost all of debian
[11:47] <mchasard> hoary_0.9.3b1-i386.iso is working for you ?
[11:47] <jdub> Moiana: but to answer your question, ubuntu is a branch of sid
[11:47] <Moiana> jdub: I need mplayer
[11:47] <randabis> marillat is generally safe to use, depends on what you try to get from it
[11:47] <anti_> I just filed a bug (#5528 ) and then found on the bugreporting page, I should have confirmed it here on irc, first. *cough*
[11:47] <Moiana> cant live without mplayer ;)
[11:47] <jdub> Moiana: warty is closer to sarge
[11:47] <randabis> compile the damn thing then
[11:47] <randabis> not like it's hard
[11:47] <randabis> I perfer gxine myself
[11:48] <Moiana> randabis: I like command-line :)
[11:48] <Lizard_King> there is someone?
[11:48] <Moiana> I know I can compile, just want to know how far ubuntu goes in terms of debian compatibility :)
[11:48] <Lizard_King> i have a problem
[11:49] <Moiana> I am a debian rat :)
[11:49] <anti_> moiana, just try
[11:49] <Moiana> I will :)
[11:49] <anti_> Moiana, marillat unstable worked for me.
[11:49] <anti_> Moiana, for some packages, that is.
[11:49] <Lizard_King> someone can help me?
[11:49] <Moiana> By the way, for the developers out here, I am pleasantly impressed with your work.
[11:50] <Moiana> just finished the install it here, it is the debian distro I would have as my first choice to send to an end-user
[11:50] <Moiana> debian-based
[11:50] <anti_> yes, same here :-)
[11:50] <Moiana> Lizard_King: define your problem :)
[11:50] <anti_> I bet the guys keep hearing this all the time, Moiana :-)
[11:50] <jdub> Moiana: the ubuntu repositories are entirely rebuilt
[11:50] <Moiana> my crystal ball is broken, I cant find spare parts :)
[11:51] <Lizard_King> i have a problem with gnome
[11:51] <Moiana> jdub: I noticed that by the packaging
[11:51] <jdub> Moiana: so the interesting bit is that we build all of the packages, not that we're compatible with the debian archives :)
[11:51] <anti_> Lizard_King, get a lot more specific.
[11:51] <jdub> Moiana: well, even the ones without ubuntu in the version number are rebuilt
[11:51] <jdub> Moiana: ubuntu in the version just indicates that we've modified them
[11:51] <Moiana> jdub: Why did the ubuntu team choose to rebuild everything?
[11:52] <Moiana> what do you change?
[11:52] <jdub> Moiana: because we have a completely different release process
[11:52] <aethera> MornHyland: change what?
[11:52] <jdub> we're a branch of sid, not based on sarge or sid explicitly
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[11:52] <jdub> Moiana: changed lots of things :)
[11:52] <Moiana> jdub: yeah, Gnome 2.8 was on experimental when I last saw it
[11:53] <jdub> we release our preview on the same day that gnome releases their final
[11:53] <tuxJr_14> hi
[11:53] <Moiana> I expect to have some other very recent packages here
[11:53] <Moiana> I like gnome, but I always end up going back to fluxbox
[11:54] <aethera> guys
[11:54] <anti_> I geta segfault when my hoary thinkpad loads acpi modules at startup. dmesg shows a modprobe-dump of kinds. I filed a bug for "acpid" - hope that's ok.
[11:54] <aethera> how do I change the colour of the input pos of xchat
[11:54] <aethera> pos = box
[11:54] <Moiana> aethera: I was asking what they change on the packages to justify them compiling everything themselves
[11:55] <jdub> Moiana: it's not so much the changes that justify rebuilding everything, it's the release process
[11:55] <aethera> ?
[11:55] <jdub> Moiana: we branch from and fix sid
[11:55] <Moiana> I am assuming you get most sources from debian repositories then what is newer you get from the developers/project sites, right?
[11:55] <jdub> Moiana: other derivatives are loosely based on sarge or sid (to much wailing and gnashing of teeth as things change under them)
[11:55] <aethera> or the font colour
[11:56] <jdub> Moiana: yeah, we branch and build on top with changes and new packages
[11:56] <jdub> well, usually new versions
[11:56] <Moiana> very nice
[11:56] <jdub> not many new packages
[11:56] <aethera> any ideas guys?
[11:56] <scylax> is it safe to do dist-upgrade with universe and multiverse repositories on ?
[11:56] <Moiana> hmmm... aethera, let me fire up xchat here to see
[11:56] <aethera> thanks mate
[11:57] <aethera> I want to change the font colour oof the input box
[11:58] <Moiana> aethera: Settings -> Preferences , then Interface -> Colors
[11:58] <aethera> ok thanks
[11:59] <aethera> hmmm a 8gb torrent
[12:00] <aethera>  CSI.The.Complete.4th.Season.HDTV.XviD-LOL
[12:00] <Moiana> ouch
[12:01] <bob2> scylax: dist-upgrade won't install new things from those repositories in that case
[12:03] <aethera> whats nice stuff to have on my system
[12:03] <aethera> to make it look nice and work fast
[12:03] <Moiana> aethera: look nice is diametrally opposite to work fast in most cases
[12:04] <aethera> I know
[12:04] <aethera> :P
[12:04] <Moiana> however, with the power of modern personal computers, you probably would not notice the slowdown
[12:04] <Moiana> to look nice, I suggest gdesklets
[12:04] <aethera> Using them already
[12:05] <Moiana> basically, gdesklets and some theming / backgrounds from deviantart, that kind of stuff :)
[12:05] <aethera> got themes alreadyt
[12:05] <aethera> I am looking for nice applications
[12:05] <Moiana> I would also suggest x.org if you want true transparency, but as I dont use that myself (yet), I cant recommend
[12:05] <topyli> gdesklets use lots of cpu, i've noticed.
[12:05] <Moiana> aethera: what kind of applications?
[12:06] <aethera> I dunno
[12:06] <aethera> something that make the desktop feel nice
[12:06] <aethera> and other development applications
[12:06] <Moiana> topyli: indeed... as I said, cute graphics generally links to processing needs
[12:07] <topyli> Moiana: which in practice makes my room noisier because the fans try to cool down the processor :)
[12:07] <aethera> I have installed it just gonna look for some more docs
[12:07] <Moiana> aethera: for LaTeX I use Kyle, even on Gnome. It is the best latex editor out there, and looks nice.   For graphics, Gimp, etc
[12:07] <aethera> any good php development applications
[12:07] <aethera> ?
[12:08] <aethera> Moiana: I am looking more that scite and zend editor
[12:08] <topyli> Moiana: i still use LyX, but perhaps i'm just dumb =)
[12:08] <Moiana> topyli: I begun with Lyx as well
[12:09] <Moiana> but kyle greatly outperforms it
[12:09] <topyli> i believe this
[12:09] <aethera> anyone into ruby here?
[12:09] <Moiana> first, kyle is LaTeX, not a meta-language as Lyx.
[12:10] <Moiana> so, you really edit the LaTeX file, which is pure-text and you can also edit on emacs, DOS' edit, anything
[12:10] <Moiana> aethera: #define <ruby>
[12:10] <aethera> the programming language
[12:10] <Moiana> topyli : thus, you end up learning actuall LaTeX
[12:11] <Moiana> aethera: not much of a programmer here, just the basics for the daily life.... a "hello world", a kernel compile and some PHP. :)
[12:11] <topyli> Moiana: yes. and with LyX, you end up learning LaTeX because you do need to insert commands all the time :)
[12:12] <Moiana> topyli: depends on what you are doing.. the class I use (abntex) defines pretty much everything I need. I rarely needed to use commands inside Lyx
[12:12] <aethera> | speed:      7.9 KB/s down -  54.3 KB/s up                                    || totals:     9.0 MB   down -  57.5 MB   up
[12:13] <aethera> | status:   finishing in 260:53:36 (4.7%)
[12:13] <aethera> my god
[12:13] <aethera> it will never be done
[12:13] <aethera> :P
[12:14] <Moiana> aethera: the speed will boost as you get more chunks to share
[12:14] <aethera> Moiana: I have 500 mb already
[12:14] <aethera> :P
[12:14] <Moiana> :P
[12:14] <aethera> just restarted gnome
[12:14] <aethera> :)
[12:14] <topyli> Moiana: well, my preamble for the koma-reports and koma-articles has evolved over the years so i don't need to use so many commands anymore
[12:15] <Moiana> Question: did anyone have problems when dual-booting with Windows XP SP2?
[12:16] <jdub> Moiana: nup
[12:16] <aethera> Moiana: what is windows?
[12:16] <jdub> Moiana: doing it atm with hoary
[12:16] <Moiana> I installed ubuntu and SP2 wont boot anymore, even through a bootdisk I had previously created (and tested)
[12:16] <Moiana> aethera: is a piece of crap that you have to put on your computer to be able to play Rubies of Eventide :)
[12:16] <aethera> Moiana: oh I play ET
[12:16] <aethera> :)
[12:16] <jdub> Moiana: does your bios set the disk up as LBA by default, etc?
[12:17] <Moiana> aethera: Rubies is an MMORPG, very nice
[12:17] <Moiana> jdub I believe so
[12:17] <Moiana> jdub: I get an error of some hal.dll file being missing or corrupted, but it is there and the md5 is the same it is on another machine
[12:17] <aethera> jdub: apt-get dist-upgrade will take me to hoary?
[12:17] <jdub> Moiana: weird
[12:18] <jdub> aethera: you would have to change your sources.list, etc. but i wouldn't recommend it if you're not comfortable with debian as a tester or developer
[12:18] <Moiana> jdub: It happened also with Debian-BR-CDD, but I think it is window's SP2 that is doing this
[12:18] <Tsjoklat> I got no problems Moiana
[12:18] <aethera> ok
[12:19] <jdub> Moiana: i think i had upgraded to sp2 before putting hoary on the machine
[12:19] <topyli> infrared is hard
[12:19] <Moiana> jdub: this HD had only windows installed, It is a brand-new testing environment for Ubuntu
[12:19] <sap> does anyone run an external monitor off a thinkpad x31? after starting gnome I can see that the lcd on the notebook comes back on and I'd like to stop it. booting into debian and xfree86 (without gnome) it remains off. does anyone know what could be doing this?
[12:20] <sap> jdub: i got 2.6.10 working under warty
[12:20] <sap> jdub: so thanks for that
[12:20] <jdub> cool
[12:20] <Moiana> I will test some more
[12:20] <aethera> jdub: dual monitors? ever tried that?
[12:20] <jdub> aethera: yes
[12:21] <Moiana> aethera: I use dual monitors on standard debian, didnt try on ubuntu yety
[12:25] <Greves> hey can anyone help me ?just installed ubuntu, its not working
[12:25] <mchasard> hi there's some trouble with xorg with the last beta ?
[12:25] <Greves> it boots ok, and gdm comes up, but when i try to log in i get an error and then it just sits and doesn't do anythign
[12:26] <sap> Greves: what's the error?
[12:26] <mchasard> could you confirm me that i'm not the only to have thoses trouble about xorg
[12:27] <Aure> hello, anyone uses jpilot ?
[12:27] <Greves> sorry i can't see your name, let me find out 1 sec
[12:27] <Greves> text is yellow on white i can't see it heh
[12:28] <Moiana> Aure: I will come back to syncing the palm to the computer when GMail supports syncing
[12:28] <Greves> There was an error starting the gnome settings daemon...
[12:28] <mchasard> please someone is able to use the last beta ?
[12:28] <Greves> failed to execute gnome-command-center or something
[12:30] <Greves> any idea?
[12:30] <Ileden> Hi! I'm still a bit confused about package management system and installing software. If I install a program not in the package management system (like Opera), does it appear on the installed packages after install?
[12:30] <Moiana> It was nice talking to you all, thanks for the attention and help!
[12:30] <Aure> Ileden, opera provides a deb ?
[12:30] <Greves> any idea? i can't get into gnome at all..
[12:30] <Ileden> If not, where does it appear, and how do I unistall it if required? Or is it possible to install external programs through the package managemet system?
[12:31] <Moiana> Will go back to try to fix my dualbooting
[12:31] <Ileden> Aure: yes, I think so. I'll check
[12:31] <Aure> with a .deb, the answer is yes.
[12:31] <Greves> brb
[12:31] <Aure> without, the uninstall process is specific to the software
[12:31] <Moiana> Ileden : if you dpkg -i operablablabla.deb, yes
[12:32] <Greves> aha,now i can read the text at least
[12:32] <Greves> so, gnome isn't loading at all
[12:32] <aethera> any good graphical sftp clients?
[12:32] <Greves> even failsafe gnome isn't loading
[12:33] <Ileden> Moiana: Ok, great! Thanks!
[12:33] <HappyFool> maybe gnome's not installed, or not installed properly (?)
[12:33] <Greves> erm, no i just did a default ubuntu install
[12:33] <Greves> should work fine
[12:33] <Greves> also, i dont have a root password
[12:34] <jdub> Greves: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:34] <HappyFool> the root account is disabled
[12:34] <aethera> guys
[12:34] <HappyFool> use the "default" user, and sudo
[12:34] <HappyFool> err, default's a bad term
[12:34] <Greves> i can't sudo, i dont have a password
[12:34] <HappyFool> use your user's password
[12:35] <Greves> so i can never log in as root? wtf is this
[12:35] <jdub> Greves: there's no need to login as root
[12:35] <aethera> Greves: after u sude
[12:35] <aethera> Greves: after u sudo
[12:35] <HappyFool> on ubuntuguide.org they tell you how to activate root, afaik
[12:35] <aethera> do passwd
[12:35] <jdub> Greves: if you really want to, you can set the root password, but there's not much point
[12:35] <Kleggas> what /dev device is for usb-memory?
[12:35] <aethera> and type the root password
[12:35] <aethera> sad
[12:35] <Ileden> Hmm, Opera asks for a distribution vendor, and Ubuntu is not listed. Debian is, though, I'm guessing I should select that. But which version of Debial? 2.2, 3.0, 3.1, unstable?
[12:35] <aethera> sda even Kleggas
[12:35] <Greves> jdub: sometimes its easier to su and type commands than sudo before each commad
[12:35] <Kleggas> aethera: thanx
[12:35] <aethera> Ileden: unstable
[12:36] <HappyFool> Greves: sudo -s
[12:36] <jdub> Greves: sudo su -
[12:36] <jdub> Greves: if you have to
[12:36] <Ileden> aethers: ok, thanks.
[12:36] <aethera> np
[12:36] <Greves> gotcha
[12:36] <Greves> so no one has any idea why gnome gives an error and doesn't load?
[12:36] <aethera> jdub: any ideas on my question mate?
[12:36] <Greves> the magic of ubuntu, i guess ;)
[12:37] <jdub> Greves: not until you tell us what the error is
[12:37] <Greves> jdub: i said
[12:37] <Greves> There was an error starting the GNOME Sessions Daemon
[12:37] <Greves> The last error message was:
[12:37] <jdub> Greves: how did you do the install?
[12:38] <Greves> failed to execute /usr/lib/control-center/gnome-settings-daemon
[12:38] <Greves> jdub: i put the CD in, i hit yes a few times, and watched it scroll by
[12:38] <jdub> Greves: oh, and you installed hoary?
[12:38] <Greves> what is hoary?
[12:38] <jdub> the devel branch
[12:38] <HappyFool> i think he installed warty via the mini.iso
[12:38] <jdub> yeah
[12:38] <jdub> that's what i linked to
[12:38] <Greves> yeah warty
[12:39] <jdub> hmm
[12:39] <Greves> how can i search apt?
[12:39] <jdub> apt-cache search
[12:39] <jdub> try updating
[12:40] <Greves> how?
[12:40] <jdub> does the gnome-settings-daemon binary exist?
[12:40] <jdub> apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
[12:40] <jdub> with sudo, of course
[12:40] <Greves> its downloading 28 mb of stuff
[12:40] <Greves> fluxbox isn't on apt?
[12:41] <jdub> Greves: you have to enable universe (edit /etc/apt/sources.list)
[12:41] <Greves> oh ok
[12:41] <Greves> btw jdub no that binary doesn't exist
[12:41] <Greves> that whole folder doesn't exist
[12:41] <Greves> failed to execute /usr/lib/control-center/
[12:42] <Greves> that folder ^^^
[12:42] <jdub> ls /usr/lib/control-center/
[12:42] <Greves> it doesn't exist, i told you
[12:42] <Ileden> hmm, is there a graphical interface in Ubuntu for editing partition mounts, or do I need to go edit /etc/fstab with a text editor?
[12:42] <jdub> "failed to execute /usr/lib/control-center/" means something rather different :)
[12:43] <jdub> Greves: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:43] <jdub> Greves: see what happens
[12:43] <Greves> hey on the install from the big iso does grub have a splash, and does the terminal have a background/colors?
[12:43] <Ileden> From the docs, I gather that there isn't, but I thought I'd ask just to be sure :)
[12:43] <Greves> jdub: i truncated the line :P
[12:43] <jdub> Greves: you didn't boot the installer with 'custom' did you?
[12:43] <aethera> ok samaba is done on my boxen
[12:43] <Greves> no, i booted it with "enter" :P
[12:43] <jdub> good
[12:43] <jdub> i have no idea if the mini iso works properly or not
[12:43] <Greves> apparantly not ;)
[12:44] <Greves> not defaultly anyway, because i didn't change any settings except which partition to go to
[12:44] <Greves> hey on the install from the big iso does grub have a splash, and does the terminal have a background/colors?
[12:44] <Silensius> during install ubuntu it says where put the loader how i can says in MBR please ?
[12:44] <jdub> no
[12:45] <Greves> that stinks
[12:45] <sladen> Greves: you can go to the menu and change the background/foreground colours;  personally, I make it gray-on-black
[12:45] <Greves> i will have to play with the kernel a bit then ;)
[12:45] <Greves> sladen: menu?
[12:45] <jdub> Silensius: how did you start the installer? it shouldn't ask that
[12:45] <sladen> Greves: you can give grub a boot image if you want
[12:45] <jdub> sladen: he's talking about the console...
[12:45] <Silensius> whit iso cd
[12:45] <Silensius> warty installer
[12:46] <sladen> Greves: can I ask you a couple of questions about how you'd like a default system to boot
[12:46] <Greves> sladen: sure
[12:46] <jdub> Silensius: did you just press enter to start it, or did you type something?
[12:46] <sladen> Greves: would you like   (a) Graphical Grub  (b) Graphical bootup  (c) Graphical X   ... or some combination
[12:46] <Greves> jdub: ubuntu-desktop might be it, there are 18 new packages to install
[12:47] <Greves> sladen: i would like it to boot up with a splash screen on grub and a vga enabled console, for use with links2 graphical mode
[12:47] <Greves> not necessarily x or gdm or anything on boot
[12:47] <sladen> Greves: and do you mind about video-mode changing?  (eg, don't to set grub to anything but  640x480  in case the monitor is changed or doesn't support it
[12:47] <aethera> eish samba is so slow
[12:47] <Greves> sladen: i would like the option to change that during the installer
[12:48] <jdub> sladen: what happens if you have a grub image set up and the 'press esc' thing turned on?
[12:48] <jdub> sladen: will it still paint the image?
[12:48] <Greves> jdub: can i edit the .list for universe while apt-get is installing stuff
[12:49] <sladen> Greves: okay, so you're probably not a good example :-).  I don't know an question in the installer is an option---Ubuntu is trying really hold to avoid as many questions as possible in the installer
[12:49] <aethera> jdub: does ubuntu have bootsplash?
[12:49] <jdub> aethera: no
[12:49] <aethera> hmmm
[12:49] <aethera> will be nice :P
[12:49] <jdub> aethera: though the livecd does for various reasons
[12:49] <jdub> no, bootsplash is not nice
[12:49] <jdub> hoary will hopefully have something much better
[12:49] <jdub> sladen: ... :-)
[12:50] <sladen> aethera: bootsplash is evil(tm)  ...you do not want 1MB of JPEG decoder embedded into your kernel :)
[12:50] <sladen> jdub: ... ;-)
[12:50] <Greves> sladen: there can be more than 1 install mode... easy default install, advanced configure everything install, or a middle install that asks a few questions just about look or setup, but not in-depth editing of files, etc
[12:50] <Tomcat_> bootsplash is sexy though :)
[12:50] <Greves> i do wish ubuntu ran gpm on boot
[12:50] <sladen> Tomcat_: Graphical bootup is sexy.  yes
[12:50] <Silensius> b>dub: just type enter
[12:51] <sladen> Greves: the mouse goes through  /dev/input/mice.   Can you file a bug on  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/  that GPM needs to be taught to read from that
[12:51] <jdub> Greves: the installer will stay as is, with a full desktop by default or base system if you type 'server'.
[12:51] <Tomcat_> Unix bootup is sexy anyway... I'd have hundreds of lines of useless data running down my screen on boot against a status bar (think WinXP) any day.
[12:52] <Greves> jdub: just an idea. brb i'm going into gnome, it works now (thanks a ton jdub )
[12:52] <aethera> hahah deleting 50gb of mp3
[12:52] <aethera> over 100mb/s link
[12:53] <aethera> LO
[12:53] <Greves> kewlbeans
[12:53] <aethera> l
[12:53] <topyli> how exactly is irda set up? my eyes see the infrared dongle but ubuntu doesn't, which is a contradiction
[12:53] <Greves> time to download fluxbox and get to programming :)
[12:53] <Ileden> I like the Suse bootup. It had all the cool useless lines, but in a good looking environment :)
[12:53] <Aure> what is the name of the dev file for the first usb port ?
[12:53] <sladen> Greves: what do you think should be the default for ''normal install'' ?
[12:53] <aethera> Aure: sda1
[12:53] <Aure> aethera, why doesn't it appears ?
[12:54] <aethera> Aure: dmesg and look at the last entry
[12:54] <aethera> its will say what is happening
[12:54] <Silensius> Jdub: did you have any idea for my problem
[12:54] <Fridon> http://www.icefighter.com/index.php?teamNr=92623
[12:54] <Greves> sladen: pretty much all automated, just a check for partitions with an option to automate or do it manually, everything else should be automated
[12:54] <Aure> aethera, it's weird, it appears when I plug an usb key, and disappear when I unplug
[12:54] <jdub> Silensius: no, it should just work
[12:54] <aethera> Aure: ?
[12:55] <sladen> Greves: we have an automated install---I'm asking specifically in regard to default 'splash' style settings involving GRUB and the period between grub and you logging in
[12:55] <sladen> Greves: what would you like, expect, dream of?
[12:55] <Greves> sladen: i would like grub to have a nice big splash like i said, and i would like all the TTYs to have gpm and a nice picture, thats all
[12:56] <Greves> like instead of showing all that kernel stuff, a "loading" bar
[12:57] <Silensius> ok but at a moment during install it ask where put grub or lilo loader what i ask ?
[12:58] <sladen> Greves: would you like anything else on the 'grub' splash you mentioned.  What type of image?
[12:59] <Greves> sladen: what are the options? i mean... as far as i know you can just do a wallpaper type thing right? no real fancy stuff with grub..
[01:00] <Aure> what is /dev/ttyS1 ?
[01:01] <HappyFool> isn't it serial port 1 -- more or less the same as windows COM2: ?
[01:01] <topyli> Aure: thet's COM2
[01:01] <Greves> how reliable is the stuff in universe?
[01:02] <topyli> Greves: that's a philosophical question :)
[01:02] <Aure> topyli, you know what tty could be similar to ttyUSB1 ?
[01:02] <Greves> topyli: lmfao
[01:02] <topyli> Greves: it's just taken from debian unstable and should be treated as that
[01:02] <sladen> Greves: the options are your dreams
[01:03] <Greves> sladen: in that case, i wouldn't like a grub, and would like to boot straight from the bios to the OS, and be able to change OS's on the fly
[01:03] <Greves> how's that?
[01:03] <topyli> Aure: i've never heard of such a tty
[01:03] <Kleggas> does linux need to use some special fs for usb-memory? in windows my usbstorage says it uses vfat, but when I try to mount /dev/sda with vfat it says: bad fs
[01:04] <topyli> Aure: i've never had a usb device in my life :)
[01:04] <Aure> Kleggas, vfat works for me
[01:04] <mjr> Kleggas, sda1
[01:04] <Aure> topyli, :)
[01:04] <Kleggas> mjr: sda1 doesnt work either
[01:05] <topyli> Aure: i'm soon going to do sow however. serial connections seem to be too painful for me
[01:05] <Greves> firefox 1.0 isn't in universe??
[01:05] <sladen> Greves: we're getting there.  Simple Boot Flag cuts out the BIOS, Grub may do background kernel loading, Xen/kexec allow changing and relating OS's on the fly.  In the meantime, aside from a 'progress bar' is there anything else you might like to see whilst waiting for your cup of tea to stew?
[01:05] <Kleggas> (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[01:05] <Greves> sladen: porn?
[01:05] <Kleggas>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[01:06] <Kleggas> when I try to mount sda1 I get the same message plus a little more
[01:06] <topyli> Greves: firefox 1.0 isn't there. try the backports
[01:06] <Greves> backports?
[01:06] <topyli> ubuntu-bp.org IIRC
[01:06] <Greves> sladen: one thing i would love is if apt-get told me more info about the packages when i search through the cache
[01:06] <sladen> Greves: already ahead of you here--- apt-get install ubuntu-calendar   .  Anything else?
[01:06] <sladen> Greves: apt-cache showpkg $PACKAGE
[01:07] <Kleggas> are these the only options I should need?: mount -t vfat /dev/sda /media/usb
[01:07] <topyli> Greves: just install wajig so you only need one command :)
[01:07] <Greves> is wajig the best frontend?
[01:08] <topyli> yes
[01:08] <sladen> Greves: apt-cache show $PACKAGE is probably more useful
[01:08] <topyli> sladen: it's the same as wajig show
[01:08] <Ileden> Ok, I want to mount my NTFS and FAT32 partitions at bootup, and I'm editing /etc/fstab. However, I'm unsure what lines I should add - the ubuntu wiki has a different instruction than the unofficial ubuntu guide...
[01:08] <Greves> topyli: is wajig graphical?
[01:09] <Ileden> should it be this: /dev/hda1                    /mnt/win2k              ntfs            ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[01:09] <Greves> brb i need fluxbox
[01:09] <topyli> Greves: it has two commands: wajig for the command line, gjig for a (clumsy) gtk frontend
[01:09] <Ileden> or this:  /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[01:09] <Greves> and i'm not using screen :p
[01:10] <Ileden> (the part I'm confuded about is the "umask..." or "ro,auto,uid...."
[01:10] <Greves> ahhh fluxbox, much better :)
[01:10] <sladen> topyli: what information would you like to see displayed?
[01:10] <happyhobo> Hi folks
[01:10] <Greves> topyli: so its not a real good gui frontend? anyone know of a good gui frontend?
[01:11] <happyhobo> just need to ask a quick question and then I'm gone because I'm a mepis user
[01:12] <topyli> Greves: gjig is messy, lots of badly described buttons, and you still need to know how wajig works. wajig is excelent though. synaptic is perhaps the best gui for apt, but wajig does more
[01:12] <Greves> like what more?
[01:12] <happyhobo> how do I get the ubuntu repository setup in synaptic?  Yall's hoary has Gnome 2.9.3 and I want it.  LOL
[01:12] <Greves> # synaptic
[01:13] <Greves> (synaptic:11495): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[01:13] <topyli> sladen: i'm just raving about wajig, i have no apt problems at the moment ;)
[01:13] <happyhobo> please help
[01:13] <Greves> fluxbox isn't workign with gtk >.<
[01:14] <topyli> happyhobo: you can't launch synaptic? or where's the problem?
[01:14] <happyhobo> Greves just need the addy for the ubuntu repos so I can get gnome 2.9.3
[01:14] <Greves> dont ask me, i just started using ubuntu :
[01:14] <Greves> :P
[01:15] <happyhobo> topyli synaptic launches fine just on the debian repos there isn't gnome 2.9.3
[01:15] <happyhobo> I was told ubuntu had their own repository, also free
[01:15] <topyli> Greves: copy the "warty" lines in sources.list and change warty to "hoary"
[01:15] <Greves> is there some reason in particular why gtk isn't working in flux?
[01:16] <topyli> Greves: sorry, i'm talking to happyhobo
[01:16] <Greves> how does hoary compare to warty?
[01:16] <HappyFool> Greves: is your synaptic working? or was that just a warning you pasted earlier?
[01:16] <Greves> not working
[01:16] <happyhobo> sources.list topyli?
[01:16] <topyli> happyhobo: /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:16] <topyli> but be careful with hoary
[01:17] <happyhobo> isn't 2.9.3 stable already?
[01:17] <topyli> no
[01:17] <happyhobo> any problems you know of?
[01:17] <topyli> happyhobo: 2.10 will be a stable release
[01:17] <topyli> happyhobo: i don't use 2.9 so i have no problems :)
[01:18] <happyhobo> yes but how stable is 2.9.3?  anyone use it here?  lots of crashes?  anyone said anything about it?
[01:18] <kreach> how do i unpack a .tgz file ?
[01:18] <mjr> tar xzf file
[01:18] <topyli> happyhobo: i tried 2.9 a while back and it was ok. i downgraded from hoary back to warty for other reasons
[01:18] <Greves> any idea why synaptec isn't working?
[01:19] <happyhobo> topyli so you don't think 2.9.3 will lock up, crash or do anything completely goofy?
[01:19] <topyli> Greves: you can use other gtk apps?
[01:19] <hummm> hi. how can i change the default settings for like xterm? creating .Xdefaults doesnt seem to work? (is that because i'm using gdm?)
[01:19] <mz2> topyli, for what reasons, actually? i'm curious as I might try hoary out
[01:19] <Greves> gaim works ok
[01:19] <topyli> happyhobo: it won't kill your data probably
[01:20] <happyhobo> ropyli roflmao that's encouraging
[01:20] <jdub> Greves: "isn't working"? you need to explain *how* things aren't working.
[01:20] <topyli> mz2: mainly evolution. also, i switched to ubuntu from debian unstable and was happy because i didn't have to upgrade every day. i need to work too
[01:20] <Greves> thats it. it gives error, nothing happens
[01:20] <Greves> (synaptic:11605): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[01:21] <happyhobo> topyli my sources list is blank
[01:21] <hummm> anyone?
[01:21] <hummm> :|
[01:21] <mz2> topyli, fair enough
[01:21] <happyhobo> hummm hi
[01:21] <topyli> happyhobo: cannot be, if you have ubuntu installed =)
[01:22] <happyhobo> I have mepis topyli
[01:22] <Greves> hmmm i must admit, i'm fairly disappointed with ubuntu so far :/
[01:22] <topyli> happyhobo: ahh... dunno how that one works
[01:22] <hummm> gawd :/
[01:22] <HappyFool> Greves: It Just Worked For Me (tm)
[01:22] <HappyFool> i think something went pear-shaped on your install
[01:22] <mz2> how do i make gksudo work with other users in addition to the one created first?
[01:23] <Greves> but there are loads of distros that just work
[01:23] <happyhobo> HappyFool are you a newbie?
[01:23] <happyhobo> I need to figure out how to get ubuntu repositories
[01:23] <Greves> fedora just works, suse just works, mandrake just works, hell even gentoo just works if you can read a manual
[01:23] <topyli> hummm: ubuntu users use gnome-terminal. nobody knows how xterm works ;)
[01:23] <HappyFool> indeed
[01:23] <Greves> aterm*
[01:23] <HappyFool> happyhobo: have you read ubuntuguide.org ?
[01:23] <happyhobo> no I haven't
[01:24] <hummm> topyli: xterm is not related. i just want to have the settings in .Xdefaults applied automatically...
[01:24] <mz2> sudo works in terminal but for example synaptic exits with "1" everytime i try it out with this other user
[01:24] <mz2> i added a similar line to /etc/sudoers as i had for the user for which everything works
[01:24] <mz2> do i need to add this user to some group as well?
[01:25] <topyli> hummm: i think gnome-session doesn't respect files such as ~/.xdefaults or ~/.xkeycaps or anything, unless you somehow source them via gnome-session itself
[01:26] <hummm> gay..
[01:26] <HappyFool> Greves: you seem to have lots of bandwidth ;). Maybe you should try download the full iso and install from that?
[01:26] <hummm> should i stick my configs somewhere else then?
[01:26] <topyli> mz2: i guess. ubuntu gives sudo rights to your firstborn user only. you need to add others to the sudoers file if you want to
[01:26] <kreach> how do i run a .sh ?
[01:27] <topyli> kreach: with sh
[01:27] <mjr> kreach, "sh foo.sh" :)
[01:27] <Wulf_> chmod +x foo.sh; ./foo.sh
[01:27] <mjr> or there's that
[01:27] <mz2> topyli, i have done that, and as said before, sudo works in the terminal, but anything that uses gksudo doesn't
[01:27] <mz2> such as the synaptic launcher in the system configuration menu
[01:28] <topyli> hummm: look at the gnome session preferences, under startup programs, and add your scripts there
[01:28] <topyli> i know it sucks
[01:28] <topyli> mz2: i'm puzzled :(
[01:29] <mz2> i know, it's weird
[01:29] <hummm> ok. thanks
[01:29] <hummm> (topyli)
[01:34] <Jeffdu60> y a moyen d'avoir une liste des serveur de package pour ubuntu PPC ?
[01:34] <Greves> maybe i haven't gotten to the good part yet, i dont see the advantages of this OS yet...
[01:34] <jdub> Jeffdu60: might want to try #ubuntu-fr :-)
[01:35] <topyli> i'll watch a movie since system adiminstration won't Just Work(TM) today :(
[01:35] <chibifs> Greves - It's new, it's easier to set up than debian for new users, it has easy help.
[01:35] <Jeffdu60> ho sorry :)
[01:35] <chibifs> It'll get better as time goes on. :P
[01:35] <Jeffdu60> bye
[01:35] <kreach> how do i know which is my personal ip, cuz i get only network adress :P
[01:36] <chibifs> kreach - Go to whatismyip.com
[01:36] <chibifs> ^_^
[01:36] <Greves> maybe i should come back to it in a few versions? right now i really like gentoo better
[01:36] <chibifs> Easiest way to get your IP on the other site of the internet.
[01:37] <chibifs> Greves - Come back after about two releases, it'll be more advanced by then.
[01:37] <HappyFool> Greves: you appear to be having unusually bad luck
[01:37] <Greves> ...ubuntu uses xfree86?
[01:37] <chibifs> Xorg currently.
[01:37] <HappyFool> hoary will use x.org
[01:37] <Greves> no i dont mind the little hickups in getting it working, thats fine, i just dont like the management of the system
[01:37] <HappyFool> Greves: oh ;) like ?
[01:38] <Greves> in gentoo i feel like its really easy to control my entire system, down to the last file, but the system installs easily and programs work seamlessly - but the option is there to easily manage it as you want
[01:38] <t325> hello what's wrong with my /etc/fstab line for my fat32 partition? /dev/hda1       /mnt/win_c      vfat    rw,user        0       0
[01:39] <HappyFool> t325: what error message do you get?
[01:39] <t325> (I can access the partition, but no differences between dirs and files, a dir is a 0kb file..)
[01:40] <Greves> i think i dont like the fact that ubuntu is based around gnome, or that it auto-loads gnome. that is a turn off
[01:40] <t325> first I tried to copy the linux partition line, just with modifiying fs type, but this gave me fsck with lots of errors on boot.. /dev/hda2       /               reiserfs defaults        0       1
[01:41] <chibifs> Greves - The point is for it to be gnome/gtk based.
[01:41] <Greves> maybe thats why i dont like it then
[01:42] <Greves> i much prefer minimal - flux, xfce...
[01:42] <chibifs> XFCE is good. ^_^
[01:43] <chibifs> I'd love to see an XFCE-based distro, but it's much easier to just install XFCE over ubuntu from os-works.com ^.^
[01:43] <rob0> I don't understand why one would base an opinion on a default configuration, when it is easy to remake it in your own image ..
[01:43] <chibifs> I hang out with the devs over there alot.
[01:43] <t325> so then I copied the line for the floppy, removing the noauto option and setting fs to vfat, and here I'm stuck with 0kb dirs..
[01:43] <Greves> rob0: i also said i dont like the system management so far
[01:44] <Greves> portage gives better control, i feel
[01:44] <bob2> Greves: how?
[01:44] <jdub> chibifs: do you work on xfce, btw?
[01:44] <rob0> Greves, yes, that is a valid point, although whether or not portage is "more control" is questionalble
[01:44] <t325> about sys managment is there anything to configure fstab automatically?
[01:44] <Ileden> chiibifs: I'm real interested in XFCE, are there some instructions on how to install it under ubuntu?
[01:44] <bob2> t325: not yet
[01:44] <jdub> rob0: because the default configuration says quite a lot about the goals of the distro :-)
[01:45] <chibifs> jdub - Not a codemonkey, but I have some stuff in the XFLD .2 distro.
[01:45] <jdub> oh right
[01:45] <jdub> chibifs: what did you hack on?
[01:46] <chibifs> Nothing code related, like I said. I help correct to some english, did the dusk theme in XFLD, and made a few plugins that put gnome-system-tools in the settings manager.
[01:46] <chibifs> Ileden, go to os-works.com, add the debian repositories there to your apt.
[01:47] <chibifs> They'll work fine on hoary.
[01:47] <jazzorist> xfce is also in the backports
[01:47] <Greves> rob0: i like the USE variables idea, and the amount of control portage gives you over what dependencies are installed, what versions are installed, multi-version management, etc etc. its very obvious using portage... there is one command: emerge, and you can do everything all in 1 line if you want. this seems more... bulky? i dont know the way to describe it. for example: emerge vs apt-cache apt-cdrom apt-config apt-extracttemplates apt-ftpa
[01:48] <chibifs> I perfer the different commands.
[01:48] <Ileden> chibifs, thanks! I'll take a look. Although I need a bit more linux experience before I'm going try using another desktop system, though...
[01:48] <bob2> Greves: no, users don't use any of those aside from apt-get and apt-cache
[01:49] <Greves> thats what i dont like about it!
[01:49] <chibifs> Ileden, have you ever used Blackbox or Litestep on Windows?
[01:49] <Greves> you just said it
[01:49] <Greves>  users don't use any of those...
[01:49] <bob2> Greves: er, because they don't need to
[01:49] <Greves> exactly!
[01:49] <bob2> Greves: do you ever invoke ld?
[01:49] <Ileden> chibifs, nope.
[01:49] <Greves> ubuntu installed a TON of stuff i dont need
[01:49] <bob2> Greves: um, maintainer scripts call them
[01:50] <chibifs> Greves - That's possibly because you didn't use the custom install method? ^_^
[01:50] <Greves> emacs, nano, openoffice, arcade games????, xfree86 (prefer xorg), to name a very very few
[01:50] <jdub> Greves: you can uninstall it easily enough
[01:50] <rob0> I am a Slacker ... "./configure $OPTS && make && sudo checkinstall" ... that's total control. :) I see your point, that with portage you can tweak things prior to install, but I haven't been around a Debian-type system long enough to know if it would be a problem.
[01:50] <Greves> you told me not to :P
[01:50] <bob2> Greves: you did the default install, you got a default install
[01:50] <jdub> Greves: custom would have installed the base system without any desktop integration at all
[01:50] <bob2> Greves: if you don't want that stuff, remove it or don't install it at all
[01:50] <jdub> bob2: i told Greves not to
[01:51] <jdub> custom installs are pants for desktop use
[01:51] <bob2> righ
[01:51] <bob2> t
[01:51] <Greves> rob0: LFS my friend ;) did it once, not again. total control is different than easily controllable
[01:51] <Ileden> chibifs, I've used XFCE on our university classroom, though.
[01:52] <Ileden> chibifs, and I liked the minimalistic feel.
[01:52] <Greves> Ileden: i reccomend *box
[01:52] <Greves> especially flux or open
[01:52] <chibifs> Ileden - 4.2 will pick up all of the gnome menu, so you won't need to dig around for programs and whatnot.
[01:52] <Ileden> chibifs, well that's certainly nice. :)
[01:53] <rob0> chibifs, yes, I am also an XFCE 4.2 fan.
[01:53] <kreach> how do i find out what my ip adress is ?
[01:53] <rob0> :)
[01:54] <HappyFool> ifconfig will probably tell you
[01:54] <bob2> 'ip addr'
[01:54] <chibifs> I like apt-based distros for my main box, though. Good bed for finding software and figuring out what you want and need for the crappier boxes. :D
[01:55] <pisuke> hi. I've upgraded kernel to i686 and my laptop is not halting. It reboots. Is it a bug?
[01:56] <pisuke> with i386 it halted without problems
[01:56] <polka2038> do you know firefox 1.0 backports for amd64 architecture ?
[01:58] <jaco> hi all
[01:58] <kreach> how do i unstall a program ?
[01:58] <rob0> chibifs, that's exactly why I'm here, although my Ubuntu or Debian is a laptop (craptop ;)
[01:59] <chibifs> I run slackware on my 586 Pentium 133 :D
[01:59] <t325> pisuke: linux shutdown support still not ok..
[01:59] <bob2> kreach: how did you install it?
[02:00] <pisuke> t325, it's suprising how changing just cpu breaks it
[02:00] <jaco> what about myaslq 4.1?
[02:00] <kreach> with sh filename
[02:00] <jaco> mysql 4.1 :)
[02:01] <rob0> kreach, IP: if you're behind a router you might be more interested in the external IP than the internal one. Many HTTP sites will show you your IP. But there too, if your ISP uses a cache, that might not be your IP. :)
[02:01] <rob0> kreach, you'll have to check the uninstall docs for that program. That's not a Ubuntu issue.
[02:04] <nevyn> kreach: it sorta depends how you installed it.
[02:04] <nevyn> hrm
[02:11] <Firsti> Where I can download themes for this ubuntu?
[02:11] <aurora> depends on what window manager you use
[02:11] <aurora> gnome : art.gnome.org
[02:11] <Firsti> Window manager?
[02:11] <Firsti> Ok
[02:11] <aurora> kde i dont know off the top of my head
[02:12] <Riddell> Firsti, aurora: kde-look.org
[02:12] <aurora> ah thanks
[02:12] <jdub> or gnome-look.org :)
[02:12] <aurora> i dont use ubuntu but im sure it uses gnome
[02:13] <Firsti> Ok
[02:13] <aurora> use milk
[02:14] <aurora> its the best theme
[02:14] <Pls> is there any graphics in installation?
[02:14] <aurora> yes
[02:14] <aurora> theres 37
[02:14] <Pls> oh
[02:14] <Pls> ;] 
[02:15] <Pls> how it will be when i install ubuntu with winxp
[02:15] <Pls> i have to set up bootloader?
[02:15] <aurora> no it will do it
[02:15] <aurora> with its 37 graphics
[02:15] <Pls> thats clear
[02:16] <Pls> how much it has to be the partition to set the ubuntu?
[02:16] <aurora> 3 feet
[02:17] <Pls> what what?
[02:17] <aurora> i dunno
[02:17] <aurora> ive ben up 30 hours
[02:17] <aurora> im really tired
[02:17] <jdub> Pls: 2GB or more
[02:17] <Pls> aurora sorry..
[02:17] <aurora> jdub, he should have at least 3 feet free
[02:17] <aurora> incase he wants more packages
[02:18] <Pls> jdub hmm my hard is 8
[02:18] <Pls> gb
[02:18] <Pls> :|
[02:19] <Pls> aurora go sleep ;] 
[02:19] <rob0> OMG my hard drive is only about 6cm wide!
[02:19] <Pls> :))
[02:19] <iFonz> would anyone be able to give me some help with a low memory install please? I tried a custom install but it still loops
[02:19] <aurora> iFonz, use lindows
[02:19] <aurora> Pls, no way
[02:19] <aurora> im having fun
[02:19] <Pls> ;] 
[02:19] <aurora> i got a guy to whipe his / dir
[02:19] <iFonz> but I want ubuntu :(
[02:19] <aurora> over in ##linux
[02:19] <aurora> lol
[02:19] <njs12345> aurora: that's kind of evil :P
[02:19] <Pls> my computer is celeron 433 mhz
[02:20] <aurora> HostingGeek doing /exec -o rm -rf /*
[02:20] <Pls> what install do i use?
[02:20] <aurora> and then
[02:20] <aurora> he got disconnected
[02:20] <aurora> lol
[02:20] <carambol> how do u download/install thems of art.gnome.org?
[02:20] <rob0> low spec computer, I would use Slackware.
[02:20] <aurora> carambol, tape
[02:20] <carambol> tape?
[02:20] <aurora> yep
[02:20] <rob0> tape them to the screen?
[02:20] <aurora> duct tape is best
[02:20] <Pls> rob0 what?
[02:21] <aurora> better bond
[02:21] <carambol> aurora:how u do that?
[02:21] <ant_o> carambol: is that some sorta game?
[02:21] <carambol> no a theme for the background
[02:21] <rob0> Pls, how much RAM?
[02:22] <aurora> carambol, oh use wallpaper tape
[02:22] <Pls> 160
[02:22] <carambol> right clicking on the theme
[02:22] <carambol> ?
[02:23] <nevyn> carambol: theme for the background ? wouldn't that be a "Background" as opposed to a theme.
[02:23] <carambol> yeah ur ricght!
[02:23] <carambol> right
[02:23] <nevyn> a theme would be for widgets
[02:24] <jdub> carambol: just drag images onto the background dialogue to add them
[02:24] <aurora> carambol,  rub mayonaise on it
[02:24] <carambol> right clicking does give me the option to install
[02:25] <jdub> aurora: please stick to useful replies
[02:25] <aurora> ill try
[02:25] <aurora> carambol, nono
[02:25] <aurora> click the foot
[02:25] <aurora> goto preferences
[02:25] <aurora> then themes
[02:25] <aurora> then click "install" and browse to the .bz file
[02:25] <aurora> and select it
[02:25] <carambol> i see...ok
[02:26] <aurora> btw some themes crash the theme selector
[02:26] <aurora> just open it again
[02:26] <aurora> and keep doing it till it works
[02:26] <aurora> ive had that issue alot
[02:26] <mikael_> what do i need to do to install the latest nvidia driver ?
[02:26] <carambol> aurora: it is fixed
[02:26] <jdub> mikael_: install nvidia-glx
[02:27] <carambol> lol...too simple
[02:27] <jdub> mikael_: if you're using the development branch, it's the latest version
[02:27] <aurora> carambol,  that work? :)
[02:27] <jdub> mikael_: if you're using warty, it's the supported version
[02:27] <carambol> yep
[02:27] <aurora> :)
[02:27] <aurora> i still think tape works :P :P
[02:27] <carambol> (B)
[02:27] <mikael_> jdub, what to i need to do to get develoment branch ?
[02:27] <aurora> hehe
[02:27] <jdub> mikael_: i would not recommend using the development branch of ubuntu unless you're familiar with debian development or testing
[02:28] <aurora> does ubuntu have a pkg manager?
[02:28] <jaco> synaptic
[02:28] <jdub> aurora: all the debian tools
[02:28] <aurora> oh okay
[02:28] <thenuke> aurora: sure, ubuntu is based on debian so it uses apt-get
[02:28] <carambol> i changed the boring brown background
[02:28] <jaco> apt
[02:28] <ant_o> aptitude
[02:28] <mikael_> jdub, i found some docs , i'll change to hoary
[02:29] <aurora> what differences does ubuntu and debian
[02:30] <aurora> rather whats better about it ?
[02:30] <nevyn> what's better about hoary than sid?
[02:30] <carambol> a lot of things are precompiled in ubuntu
[02:30] <jdub> aurora: ubuntu is a branch of debian sid
[02:30] <nevyn> carambol: umm.. everything's pre-compiled in debian
[02:31] <jdub> aurora: it's released every six months, with each release supported for 18 months
[02:31] <aurora> hmm
[02:31] <aurora> wait
[02:31] <aurora> they are using SID?!
[02:31] <aurora> omg
[02:31] <jdub> aurora: lots of integration work, very latest gnome available, etc.
[02:31] <aurora> crash much?
[02:31] <jdub> a *branch* of sid
[02:31] <aurora> lol
[02:31] <thenuke> aurora: ubuntu ships with many kind of software preinstalled for you, if you get plain debian, you have to install everything what you want by yourself
[02:31] <aurora> thats the FUN of debian :D
[02:31] <scoon> aurora, check this out: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/
[02:31] <spiral> hello
[02:31] <jdub> aurora: sid is upstream stable released software
[02:31] <ant_o> hello
[02:31] <spiral> hmmm... I've got a question about libflac4/6...
[02:32] <jdub> aurora: the distro itself is unstable, not the software
[02:32] <thenuke> including your hardware, ubuntu tries to install drivers and such for your hardware automagically too
[02:32] <scoon> aurora, but i don't really think it is a question of which is better, just which gives YOU more of what you want/need
[02:32] <spiral> does anyone here use some kde components, at least amarok on hoary ?
[02:32] <aurora> i understnad
[02:33] <Riddell> spiral: I use kde, I don't use amarok
[02:33] <spiral> Riddell: I use KDE too... and amarok, & noatun... etc...
[02:33] <spiral> Riddell: you are on hoary ?
[02:34] <aurora> ive got a great debian ISO , its 8MB it downloads everything, even the d-i installer , i love it
[02:34] <Riddell> spiral: I maintain hoary, I'm using KDE CVS
[02:34] <aurora> i have it on a biz card CDR
[02:34] <spiral> this week, libflac4 was replaced by libflac6, and a lot of kde dependencies broke...
[02:34] <spiral> Riddell: and I wanted to know wether for example amarok, kdemultimedia* will soon be patched in order to use libflac6 or libflac++4
[02:36] <spiral> Riddell: do you know about it ?
[02:37] <Riddell> spiral: didn't know about that, please file a beastie report on bugzilla.ubuntu.com saying which packages have broken, you can put me down as assigned (jr@jriddell.org)
[02:38] <spiral> Riddell: alright... I just need to create an account for this bugzilla
[02:41] <biezt> ubuntu doesn't wanna complete the first installation part of the process before reboot
[02:41] <BockBilbo> hello
[02:42] <biezt> it stops on 77 % percent
[02:42] <spiral> Riddell: i shall add you e-mail to assigned list, or put only your e-mail .
[02:42] <spiral> ?
[02:43] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me how to remove links from the app menu in hoary? i installed realplayer... but ive deleted it, but i still have its link in the app:sound and video menu
[02:43] <BockBilbo> :(
[02:44] <Riddell> spiral: what other e-mail would be on the assigned list?
[02:45] <spiral> Riddell: debzilla@ubuntu.com
[02:45] <BockBilbo> sorry.... hoary got crashed
[02:45] <BockBilbo> :s
[02:45] <BockBilbo> anyone can tell me if its possible to remove that icon?
[02:46] <Riddell> spiral: get rid of that
[02:46] <spiral> Riddell: all right
[02:47] <Greves> ahh, home at last :P
[02:47] <aurora> wb
[02:47] <aurora> :P
[02:47] <Greves> gentoo safely compiling in the background ;D
[02:49] <aurora> pfft
[02:49] <aurora> thats a shit os
[02:49] <aurora> its not any faster to compile each thing yourself
[02:49] <Greves> who said anything about faster?
[02:50] <jdub> aurora: keep it nice please
[02:50] <aurora> well
[02:50] <aurora> everyone says they use gentoo
[02:50] <Greves> i dont care :P
[02:50] <aurora> because "i compile my own stuff, it makes it fasteR"
[02:50] <Greves> aurora: i already gave my reasons for using gentoo, and that wasn't one of them
[02:50] <aurora> gentoo is too modular
[02:50] <aurora> thats cool then
[02:50] <aurora> and now KDE is 100000 packages
[02:51] <aurora> why did they do that
[02:51] <aurora> i can install knibble now without kdebase
[02:51] <Greves> kde sucks my left testicle
[02:51] <jdub> this is off-topic
[02:51] <jdub> please take it elsewhere
[02:51] <aurora> no its not
[02:51] <jdub> Greves: keep it nice please
[02:51] <spiral> Riddell: sent :-p
[02:51] <scylax> hi
[02:51] <Greves> jdub: but it does! thats why ubuntu uses gnome :D
[02:52] <aurora> no
[02:52] <aurora> its because gnomes are leet
[02:52] <jdub> Greves: untrue, and that's inappropriate behaviour for this channel
[02:52] <aurora> lmoa
[02:52] <aurora> i love the hippy ops
[02:52] <aurora> fuckin soccer moms
[02:52] <Greves> lol
[02:52] <nevyn> aurora: the monolithicness of kde does suck. I love kde but the everything in C++ and in tree thing is a mistake.
[02:52] <aurora> theres one in every chan here
[02:52] <aurora> they ruin the network
[02:52] <aurora> nevyn, yep
[02:52] <jdub> aurora: dude, ubuntu has a code of conduct. please read it.
[02:53] <aurora> dude youre a soccer mom
[02:53] <aurora> youre against R movies arent you
[02:53] <nevyn> LOL
[02:53] <aurora> you protest rap music
[02:53] <aurora> i hate your type
[02:53] <nevyn> you really don't know jdub at all...
[02:53] <rob0> :)
[02:53] <rob0> this is funny
[02:53] <aurora> probobly
[02:53] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[02:53] <aurora> haha
[02:53] <jdub> aurora: i think you'd be surprised. meanwhile, we have a code of conduct. please read it.
[02:53] <aurora> i dont like to read
[02:53] <aurora> give me an mp3 of it please
[02:54] <aurora> :-\
[02:54] <scylax> woah
[02:54] <nevyn> ogg surely
[02:54] <Greves> jdub: everyone in this chat room has seen a rated R movie...whats the big deal?
[02:54] <Riddell> nevyn: what is monolithic about KDE?
[02:54] <Josip> hey
[02:54] <aurora> oh yes
[02:54] <aurora> ogg works
[02:54] <Josip> I've upgraded to Gnome 2.9.4
[02:54] <aurora> greves hes a soccer dad
[02:54] <aurora> hes got a green minivan
[02:54] <nevyn> Riddell: ok. kppp is in the kde CVS.
[02:54] <Josip> but when i rebooted it didn't want to start
[02:54] <nevyn> EVERYHTING is in the kde CVS.
[02:54] <aurora> josip , try 2.9.5
[02:54] <aurora> it is out
[02:54] <Josip> I mean i got a screen
[02:54] <Josip> nothing more
[02:54] <aurora> oh
[02:54] <aurora> thats your x conf
[02:54] <Greves> lol aurora
[02:54] <Josip> without icons etc.
[02:54] <Riddell> nevyn: where would be better for KDE than KDE CVS?
[02:54] <Josip> nor gnome-panel
[02:55] <Josip> i've started gnome failsafe
[02:55] <nevyn> Riddell: building konsole out of tree is not possible.
[02:55] <spiral> Riddell: if you need more informations about the bug I submitted, just ask :-)
[02:55] <aurora> you know what linux needs
[02:55] <jdub> aurora: the lastest devel release of gnome is 2.9.4
[02:55] <Josip> and got this
[02:55] <Josip> Error activating XKB configuration.
[02:55] <Josip> Probably internal X server problem.
[02:55] <nevyn> Riddell: this is a pain.. because. it means that us poor people. can't fix konsoles suckyness.
[02:55] <aurora> jdub um someone was using .5 earlier today
[02:55] <Josip> when I logged in GNOME failsafe mode
[02:55] <aurora> i dunno
[02:55] <aurora> someone was talking about it on another chan
[02:55] <aurora> they went back to .4
[02:56] <TongMaster> there's better thingsto smoke than shit.
[02:56] <aurora> urine?
[02:56] <nevyn> Riddell: I love kde. but konsole got crap somewhere around 3.4 requiring a redraw of the entire console on each keypress....
[02:56] <jdub> aurora: i released 2.9.4 two days ago. no individual gnome components are at 2.9.5 versions yet.
[02:56] <aurora> you released?
[02:56] <jdub> yes
[02:56] <crimsun> jdub is the release manager.
[02:56] <aurora> did i miss somthing
[02:56] <Josip> anyone has an idea wtf happend ?
[02:56] <aurora> oh
[02:56] <aurora> of what gnome
[02:56] <aurora> or ubuntu
[02:56] <jdub> both, in fact
[02:57] <ogra> aurora: both
[02:57] <Josip> I just added the repos, and sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:57] <aurora> penis*
[02:57] <aurora> in that case, can you make the devs add the ability to reorder the menu?
[02:57] <nevyn> Riddell: and on the c++ issue kppp has no business being written in C++
[02:57] <Riddell> nevyn: I don't understand what is stopping you from fixing it
[02:57] <aurora> because its annoying to not be able to do so
[02:57] <jdub> aurora: if you're not going to act sensibly, please leave.
[02:57] <Riddell> nevyn: what should it be written in?
[02:57] <aurora> jdub if i offend anyone ill stop
[02:57] <aurora> but i dont see what me being blunt is hurting
[02:57] <nevyn> Riddell: a pentium III 500 with 512mb of ram.
[02:57] <ogra>  aurora: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[02:58] <crimsun> aurora: that code was removed from 'gnome-menus' for Hoary
[02:58] <nevyn> Riddell: the problem is you can't just check out konsole and build it.
[02:58] <aurora> again im not opening firefox just to read some rules i allready have a vague idea of there contents
[02:58] <scylax> their
[02:58] <Juz_moi> ogra: that would assume aurora could read ..
[02:58] <aurora> Juz_moi, read my nuts
[02:58] <crimsun> aurora: alternately, you can use .desktop files in ~/.config
[02:58] <nevyn> you also need kdelibs and kdebase and all this other stuff that's in cvs.
[02:58] <aurora> crimsun, yea
[02:58] <aurora> but thats more work than i want to do
[02:58] <crimsun> aurora: you'll need 'menu-xdg' additionally
[02:59] <jdub> nevyn: this is not entirely different from gnome, dude
[02:59] <aurora> or i can use windowmaker
[02:59] <aurora> lol
[02:59] <Riddell> nevyn: of course you can:  cvs co -l kdebase  && cvs co kdebase/konsole
[02:59] <jdub> nevyn: we just have different module release strategies
[02:59] <crimsun> aurora: certainly. It's your desktop.
[02:59] <aurora> why does the clock in gnome use 20mb of ram
[02:59] <aurora> what the hell is it doing
[02:59] <aurora> half life 1 doesnt use 20mb of ram
[02:59] <jdub> it doesn't
[02:59] <nevyn> jdub: gnome you can develop bits of the gnome desktop seperate from the gnome platform I thought?
[03:00] <aurora> um
[03:00] <jdub> almost all of that memory is shared
[03:00] <aurora> aah
[03:00] <aurora> thats kind of silly isnt it jdub ?
[03:00] <jdub> no
[03:00] <scylax> is there an equivalent to the kde control+alt+supr in gnome?
[03:00] <jdub> nevyn: what kind of separate do you mean?
[03:00] <aurora> scylax, taskman.exe
[03:00] <scylax> ta gueule
[03:00] <jdub> nevyn: they're all separate cvs modules, have their own build systems, etc.
[03:01] <aurora> jdub, you guys should threaten ati to make xorg 6.8 drivers
[03:01] <nevyn> jdub: without tracking cvs of.. libpango, bonobo(or whatever your using now) libgnome etc
[03:01] <jdub> nevyn: (i know a few gnome maintainers who are now using hoary's gnome 2.9 and just building their own modules, rather than using jhbuild or garnome)
[03:01] <jdub> nevyn: well, if the module requires new, possibly unreleased, versions, then yes you would.
[03:02] <jdub> nevyn: that generally happens in between gnome tarball release days
[03:02] <nevyn> ok. I still stand by the c++ thing tho.
[03:02] <jdub> nevyn: ie. one module will grow a depends on another as-yet unreleased module
[03:02] <nevyn> yeah I know what you mean.
[03:02] <crimsun> aurora: ATI has. The driver release that supports 2.6.10, X.Org, and amd64 is imminent.
[03:03] <aurora> crimsun, any release date?
[03:03] <spiral> crimsun: and do you know wether there will be a package in ubuntu for this driver ?
[03:03] <aurora> they shouldnt
[03:03] <Josip> I've upgraded to GNOME 2.9.4 yesterday (added the repos, and just <sudo apt-get upgrade>). When I've rebooted the system today, the logon screen showed, successfuly logged on but I just got something black in the top corner with red dots on it or smthn, and nothing else happend
[03:03] <aurora> they should make you bastards compile the source
[03:03] <ogra> spiral: sure
[03:03] <Josip> after that I logged with the GNOME failsafe session, and 2 windows appeared
[03:03] <Josip> showing Error activating XKB configuration.
[03:03] <Josip> anyone has an idea how to solve this problem ? Thanks a lot
[03:04] <aurora> crimsun,
[03:04] <t325> I have a problem with my fat32 partition, when I access it as normal user, there's no differences between files and folders (folders are 0kb files..) as root I can get into the folders; I think I have to change the permissions, no? the problem is that when I try to change them with nautilus started from a root terminal, I don't have the rights to change them..
[03:04] <scylax> you need to edit your fstab
[03:04] <scylax> let me show you mine, works ok
[03:04] <aurora> mount -a
[03:04] <aurora> w00tesr
[03:05] <scylax> ah no mine is reiserf
[03:05] <scylax> s
[03:06] <nevyn> jdub: so do you think hoary is worse better or just different to sid?
[03:06] <jdub> hmm
[03:06] <jdub> depends on what aspects
[03:06] <nevyn> in terms of having things work on a daily basis.
[03:06] <aurora> they both suck
[03:06] <aurora> for that
[03:06] <Josip> .
[03:07] <jdub> nevyn: potentially worse, given that we're shipping gnome 2.9
[03:07] <jdub> nevyn: for instance, evolution is often quite unstable during gnome devel releases
[03:07] <jdub> but it hasn't been part of the process for very long
[03:07] <nevyn> hrm
[03:07] <jdub> so that'll get better
[03:08] <jdub> but it's important for us to be shipping and testing the devel branch
[03:08] <njs12345> jdub: one of the reasons why I switched to hoary was because Evolution crashed for me on warty
[03:08] <jdub> because we release preview on the same day as its release :)
[03:08] <aurora> ship me some chronic
[03:08] <jdub> njs12345: finding it better on hoary?
[03:08] <t325> here's the line I put in fstab; if any1 know how to fix it..
[03:08] <t325> /dev/hda1       /mnt/win_c      vfat    rw,user        0       0
[03:08] <njs12345> yeah
[03:08] <njs12345> I mean, it's not perfect, but before it hung while trying to setup an account
[03:08] <jdub> njs12345: i'm moderately surprised, but that's good 8)
[03:09] <njs12345> yeah, no-one else seemed to have my problem, so I assume it's something wrong with my drivers/machine or something I did wrong :)
[03:10] <scylax> i had that problem, only i don't remember how i solved it
[03:10] <njs12345> lol
[03:10] <scylax> maybe setting gid= and uid=
[03:11] <jdub> njs12345: what do you think is really missing from the desktop experience in ubuntu?
[03:11] <jdub> njs12345: other than a burning tool ;)
[03:11] <aurora> jdub, include k3b
[03:11] <nevyn> and kdevelop
[03:11] <nevyn> :)
[03:11] <jdub> kubuntu will
[03:11] <aurora> um
[03:11] <scylax> a burning tool yes
[03:12] <aurora> what is kubuntu?
[03:12] <scylax> and a better nautilus ;)
[03:12] <nevyn> ubuntu with kde
[03:12] <rob0> kool!
[03:12] <scylax> and a "close all" option at right click! :)
[03:12] <jdub> kubuntu is the kde-oriented sister/brother of ubuntu
[03:12] <aurora> jdub, it should also automount NTFS drivers
[03:12] <|D|> t325:did u try unmounting it sudo umount /mnt/win_c and then mounting it as your regular user
[03:12] <aurora> and should have automatic Samba config
[03:12] <scylax> lol
[03:12] <scylax> we participate
[03:12] <nevyn> jdub: heh.
[03:13] <jdub> scylax: i drown ;)
[03:13] <scylax> hehehehe
[03:13] <aurora> i got +Q'ed in mandrake for telling the Op i was there to pick up chicks :(
[03:13] <scylax> can i change desktop icon size?
[03:13] <aurora> scylax, yes right click and do zoom i belive it is
[03:14] <scylax> oh, yeah
[03:14] <scylax> thanx
[03:14] <jdub> scylax: preferences > file management
[03:14] <scylax> but i'd prefer to set the size at once
[03:14] <jdub> scylax: you can't do the desktop independently of the icon views though
[03:14] <aurora> sup ladies
[03:14] <aurora> asl
[03:14] <spiral_> hmmm...
[03:15] <aurora> lol
[03:15] <spiral_> "sorry for the cut"
[03:15] <scylax> s'ok , that what was i wanted, thanx jdub
[03:19] <TongMaster> aurora, one, as if there are ladies in #mandrake and two, as if you'd admit that. Sheesh mate, have some pride.
[03:19] <scylax> lol
[03:20] <aurora> TongMaster, why would i care
[03:20] <aurora> its funny
[03:20] <aurora> that why i said it
[03:20] <aurora> its all guys
[03:20] <aurora> but the op didnt think i was very funny
[03:20] <aurora> i said "yea im here for chicks, sup ladies asl"
[03:21] <scylax> salut nanotek
[03:21] <NanoTek> lut
[03:23] <scylax> hola sharcho
[03:23] <Sharcho> Hola
[03:23] <aurora> jdub,
[03:23] <aurora> you here mate
[03:25] <Sharcho> Can anyone tell me if there's a file to identify Ubuntu ( /etc/ubuntu-release , /etc/ubuntu-version ) or something like that?
[03:25] <aurora> identify how?
[03:25] <aurora> you mean like version?
[03:25] <jdub> Sharcho: /etc/lsb-release
[03:25] <aurora> open a konsole and do uname -a
[03:25] <aurora> jdub, why didnt you answer me
[03:25] <aurora> :-\
[03:26] <aurora> hmm ignore huh
[03:26] <aurora> BLACK PEOPLE LIKE WATERMELON
[03:26] <aurora> wow he really ignored me
[03:27] <Sharcho> Debian has /etc/debian_version, Mandrake has /etc/mandrake-release, Gentoo has /etc/gentoo-release, Ubuntu has... ?
[03:27] <aurora> jdub, sucks black cocks
[03:27] <jdub> < jdub> Sharcho: /etc/lsb-release
 Sharcho: /etc/lsb-release
[03:27] <Sharcho> LSB is not specific to Ubuntu, but I'll guess it'll do
[03:27] <TongMaster> aurora, don't be lame, you're validating jdub's ignore
[03:27] <aurora> probobly
[03:28] <aurora> but i had to see
[03:28] <scylax> oh oh
[03:28] <Greves> haahaha @ aurora
[03:28] <scylax> cya aurora
[03:28] <aurora> ill live
[03:28] <aurora> so he lied
[03:28] <aurora> it wasnt ignore
[03:28] <jdub> Sharcho: that's a good thing
[03:28] <jdub> Sharcho: it provides the release information in a standard way
[03:28] <Sharcho> jdub: yes, that's true.
[03:28] <jdub> Sharcho: there's also /etc/debian_version on there, but it's somewhat useless
[03:29] <Sharcho> jdub: the problem is no one follows the standard
[03:29] <aurora> asl ladies
[03:29] <Sharcho> None of the other distros
[03:29] <jdub> Sharcho: a number of distributions support the lsb
[03:29] <scylax> what an attention seeker:)
[03:29] <aurora> there is no standard in linux
[03:29] <Sharcho> I mean not too many
[03:29] <aurora> thats why not even 1% of pcs run it
[03:29] <aurora> i cant give you guys software
[03:29] <jdub> Sharcho: but if you have to do something specific to ubuntu, this is it ;)
[03:30] <aurora> my bsd box cant share software easliy with my debian server
[03:30] <aurora> nor can they share with my FC3 box
[03:31] <aurora> i have warts on my penis
[03:31] <Sharcho> aurora: thanks for sharing
[03:31] <aurora> np
[03:31] <aurora> wanna touch them
[03:32] <ogra> yay
[03:32] <Sharcho> I always thought aurora only a name for girls
[03:32] <scylax> yeah
[03:33] <TongMaster> jdub, that was so unneccessary, you could have just said "press alt-f4 for instant ops"
[03:33] <aethera> gawd
[03:33] <scylax> hehehe
[03:33] <aethera> some mothers children
[03:34] <jdub> sorry about that folks, not something we do regularly
[03:34] <aethera> jdub: I have never seen warts on my penis
[03:34] <aethera> but damn that d00d was weird
[03:34] <rob0> too much caffeine I bet
[03:35] <aethera> or too little ubuntu
[03:35] <aethera> :>
[03:35] <TongMaster> aethera, you just haven't really looked, have you?
[03:35] <scylax> you held for a long time :D
[03:35] <siretart> hi
[03:36] <scylax> hi siretart
[03:36] <aethera> TongMaster: no but damn why speak about that shit
[03:36] <jdub> aethera: keep it nice please
[03:36] <siretart> since my upgrade to hoary, I have a system load of about 2.0 and up, but <10% cpu usage (Pentium M laptop, atheros wifi). has anyone a guess what could be causing this? any hints to debug further?
[03:37] <Skwid_> hey
[03:37] <Skwid_> has anybody tried Sun's Project Looking Glass on Ubuntu ?
[03:38] <jdub> Skwid_: hmm, no - you?
[03:38] <Skwid_> no
[03:38] <Skwid_> i was gonna try
[03:38] <jdub> the toughest bit would be java, probably ;)
[03:38] <Skwid_> https://lg3d-core.dev.java.net/lg3d-getting-started.html
[03:38] <jdub> it's kinda fun to play with though
[03:38] <jdub> worth trying
[03:38] <Skwid_> it looks awesome
[03:38] <Skwid_> yeah really
[03:39] <Skwid_> i only have a chipset for video card though :D
[03:39] <aethera> looking glass?
[03:39] <Skwid_> aethera: yeah ??
[03:40] <tolle> Are there any way to fake a install of a package?
[03:40] <tolle> So that i wont need xmms to have mplayer from marillat
[03:41] <crimsun> tolle: 'equivs'
[03:41] <Skwid_> tolle: trying to trick a pinguin ? :)
[03:41] <aethera> what is this looking glass thing
[03:41] <spiral> Riddell: hmmm, sorry... do you think you'll need more precisions for the bug I submitted ?
[03:42] <tolle> Not that i know why xmms would be required for mplayer
[03:42] <t325> I've solved my fat partition problem: fstab: /dev/hda1       /mnt/win_c      vfat    rw,user,noauto        0       0 and when you want to mount it just go to my computer -> disks; apart from this, how to share files w/ my mdk box, with nfs? (I see accpet windoze networks in netconfig, but nothing about nfs..)
[03:42] <aethera> t325: use samba
[03:42] <aethera> :)
[03:42] <Skwid_> aethera: http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/
[03:43] <crimsun> tolle: mplayer can use xmms plugins
[03:43] <t325> smb=accept win_networks?
[03:43] <scylax> samba will be easier
[03:43] <tolle> crimsun: yeah, but shouldnt it be a recommended package?
[03:43] <crimsun> tolle: it could be.
[03:43] <Riddell> spiral: kdemultimedia has been fixed and uploaded, I'll wait to see if it's succesfully built then look at amarok, buildd's build packages every half hour
[03:45] <aethera> t325: install swat
[03:45] <mikael_> what do i need to type to check which kernel is used ?
[03:45] <tolle> crimsun: Ok, well its up to the maintainer i guess. But i would rather make as much "Might be used by some" stuff ass possible as recommended instead of required.
[03:45] <aethera> its a web based admin for samba
[03:45] <scylax> mikael: uname -r
[03:45] <mikael_> thanks
[03:46] <spiral> Riddell: thanks, I try updating kdemultimedia :-)
[03:46] <aethera> mikael_: uname -a
[03:46] <Riddell> spiral: you'll have to wait a few hours still
[03:46] <aethera> root@epox:/home/jeanre # uname -a
[03:46] <aethera> Linux epox 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:46] <spiral> Riddell: ah yeah... every half hour you said... is that more ?
[03:46] <scylax> aurelie@ubuntu:/ $ uname -r
[03:46] <scylax> 2.6.8.1-4-386
[03:47] <scylax> :P
[03:47] <t325> swat doesn't seem to be in ubuntu repository..
[03:47] <aethera> swat - Samba Web Administration Tool
[03:47] <aethera> it sure does
[03:47] <Riddell> spiral: well it'll take some time to compile then (assuming it works) it'll take some time before it ends up on arhcive.ubutnu.com
[03:47] <aethera> but I use backports
[03:47] <scylax> you could user webmin too
[03:47] <scylax> or vi
[03:47] <aethera> or or take the hdd out of the machine
[03:48] <aethera> and put it in the other machine
[03:48] <scylax> or ftp
[03:48] <aethera> or  sftp
[03:48] <scylax> or... postfix
[03:48] <aethera> ftp bleh
[03:48] <spiral> Riddell: ah yeah... hmmm... so by this evening or tomorrow, this should be possible ? it's just for me to know when I should try installing it again
[03:48] <aethera> ftp is crap
[03:48] <aethera> scylax: mail the data :P
[03:48] <scylax> because it's not encrypted?
[03:48] <aethera> scylax: yes
[03:49] <scylax> in a home lan , no big deal... :)
[03:49] <aethera> scylax: my home lan very big
[03:49] <t325> I have an 20go usb drive but no front usb ports, and lazyness.. ftp easy to set up?
[03:49] <aethera> dont want mommy to get to the pr0n now do we
[03:49] <scylax> it's easy yeah
[03:49] <aethera> t325: just use samba dood
[03:49] <scylax> i like proftpd, but there are others
[03:49] <scylax> but yeah samba is easy too :)
[03:49] <aethera> scylax: I like sftp
[03:49] <aethera> :P
[03:49] <Riddell> spiral: I don't know
[03:50] <Riddell> try this evening
[03:50] <spiral> Riddell: ok, thanks again :-)
[03:50] <scylax> aethera, well you can ssh tunnel proftpd:)
[03:50] <aethera> scylax: and chroot it?
[03:50] <aethera> :P
[03:50] <scylax> why not?
[03:50] <aethera> and change the port to 5021
[03:50] <scylax> yes
[03:50] <aethera> hehe I knew that
[03:50] <aethera> :P
[03:50] <tolle> Oh, might aswell just build a deb of mplayer from the sources
[03:50] <scylax> i prefer 3115
[03:51] <aethera> still prefer sftp
[03:51] <scylax> sorry 3142
[03:51] <spiral> Riddell: and for amarok, which version wich version is in hoary ? because I have an other apt source for recents amarok, halas still using libflac4...
[03:51] <aethera> and samba
[03:51] <scylax> me too (samba)
[03:51] <aethera> samba > ftp
[03:51] <scylax> yes
[03:51] <ti_uhl> hello
[03:51] <Riddell> spiral: amarok 1.2-beta2+cvs20050107-1 is in hoary
[03:52] <aethera> scylax: :P
[03:52] <scylax> hi tiuhl
[03:52] <Riddell> spiral: bad news, the kdemultimedia upload failed because of other things which also depend on libflac4
[03:52] <spiral> Riddell: rhah... damn it...
[03:52] <spiral> akode, juk, kaudiocreator & kdemultimedia-kio-plugins ?
[03:52] <scylax> is there something i can get from synaptic that will help me configure init scripts
[03:53] <scylax> like in fc3
[03:53] <Riddell> spiral: libtunepimp-bin: Depends: libflac4 but it is not installable
[03:53] <ti_uhl> i'm having troubles with my synaptics touchpad on a laptop , the X config file is set up correctly and i've checked if DEVEV was in the kernel and that's ok to. But when i start X i get messages about synaptics device off called then synaptics device on called en so on but i can't tab my touchpad to click i can only work with the buttons. Does anyone know how to solve this ?
[03:53] <spiral> Riddell: ah yeah, I got this too with amarok...
[03:53] <t325> how to add hoary repositories when using warty (and why such names??.. on my mdk box gnome names shortcuts hadjaha2334653654; I've found on a gnu jargon site that it's swedish slang for an act with a reindeer...)
[03:54] <spiral> Riddell: but why don't they let libflac4 & libflac6 concurrent in order not to create dependancy hell ?
[03:54] <crimsun> spiral: the soname bump is justified because it's a major bugfix
[03:55] <spiral> crimsun: which breaks a lot of things :-/
[03:55] <crimsun> spiral: aye, but it's necessary sometimes
[03:55] <spiral> crimsun: I need amarok :-/// but I understand
[03:55] <aethera> t325: look at www.yolinux.com or .org
[03:55] <Riddell> spiral: dinnae ken, you'd need to ask maintainer mdz, probably just cleaner not have two versions in the repositories at once
[03:55] <aethera> got nice tutorials
[03:56] <spiral> Riddell: yeah, and this goes ahead with crimsun answer
[03:56] <ti_uhl> i'm having troubles with my synaptics touchpad on a laptop , the X config file is set up correctly and i've checked if DEVEV was in the kernel and that's ok to. But when i start X i get messages about synaptics device off called then synaptics device on called en so on but i can't tab my touchpad to click i can only work with the buttons. Does anyone know how to solve this ? Anyone ?
[03:56] <spiral> mdz: hi, do you confirm ?
[03:56] <crimsun> akode, kdemultimedia-kio-plugins, and the amarok* packages were all removed according to `zgrep REMOVE /var/log/aptitude.1.gz'
[03:57] <crimsun> spiral: you may wish to look at the Debian bug reports for libflac6
[03:57] <spiral> crimsun: removed... yeah... but that's my problem... I need amaroK :-p
[03:57] <crimsun> spiral: ( http://bugs.debian.org/libflac6 )
[03:59] <nevyn> ti_uhl: don't repeat
[03:59] <nevyn> ti_uhl: and pick ONE CHANNEL.
[03:59] <spiral> crimsun: yeah... I already saw this... all I asked was whether I shall be able to use amarok again
[03:59] <nevyn> ti_uhl: I think touch to click is disabled by default as it's evil.
[03:59] <Riddell> crimsun: kdemultimedia is failing on libtunepimp-bin, will libtunepimp be automatically recompiled
[03:59] <ti_uhl> nevyn : and how can i enable it ?
[03:59] <nevyn> you probably need to enable it explicitly.
[04:00] <crimsun> Riddell: ah, yes, that's also in my log for REMOVE
[04:00] <nevyn> ti_uhl: either with the synaptic configuration thingy.. umm tpconfig is the package name.
[04:01] <crimsun> Riddell: looks like a new build of that will need to be triggered as well
[04:01] <nevyn> ti_uhl: it's either that or twiddling things in the X config.
[04:01] <Riddell> crimsun: how can a new build be triggered?
[04:02] <ti_uhl> nevyn : when i do a tpconfig -i for info or anything like that is says : No synaptics device found
[04:02] <aethera> hmmm
[04:02] <spiral> ti_uhl: I get the same message, but synaptics works with me...
[04:03] <spiral> maybe is tpconfig strange sometimes ?
[04:03] <crimsun> Riddell: I've followed http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-update.en.html#s-newrevision is the past
[04:03] <ti_uhl> mmhhhh
[04:03] <crimsun> in the past, rather
[04:03] <ti_uhl> spiral : could u see in the config file how to enable those tabs ?
[04:04] <spiral> ti_uhl: which tabs ?
[04:04] <spiral> ti_uhl: I could show you my xorg.conf if you want...
[04:04] <ti_uhl> would help too :)
[04:06] <spiral> ti_uhl: dcc...
[04:06] <ti_uhl> thx
[04:06] <jatosRoot> hi
[04:08] <jatosRoot> anyone here?
[04:08] <ti_uhl> spiral  : dcc get doesn't seem to work :s
[04:08] <Riddell> jatosRoot: /names
[04:08] <spiral> ti_uhl: yeah... damn it...
[04:08] <jatos> sorry about the nicname...
[04:09] <jatos> anyway I need help using samba
[04:09] <spiral> ti_uhl: pv ?
[04:10] <Riddell> jatos: /names in some IRC programmes tells you if there's anyone on the channel.  there is in this channel
[04:10] <Riddell> jatos: ask your question and someone may be able to help
[04:11] <jatos> with samba I want to share files on my computer...
[04:11] <jatos> how?
[04:11] <jatos> even better would be where I can find docs on the subject
[04:12] <spiral> jatos: man smb.conf
[04:12] <scylax> samba.org
[04:12] <crimsun> try searching the wiki, jatos.
[04:12] <naibed> hi
[04:12] <jatos> ah
[04:13] <Riddell> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[04:13] <robertj> hey all
[04:14] <scylax> hi robertj
[04:14] <jatos> aha thanks crimsun...
[04:14] <robertj> i've got somethingfun for yall to read ;)
[04:14] <jatos> I was looking in docs not wiki
[04:14] <robertj> http://ximpul.ath.cx/log.txt
[04:14] <robertj> then search for Ubuntu ;)
[04:14] <Skwid_> hoary uses X.org right ?
[04:15] <robertj> Skwid: yeah
[04:15] <Skwid_> thx :)
[04:15] <robertj> although rght now its royally messed up for me
[04:15] <robertj> i'm doing the mornings dist-upgrade in hopes of a magic fix
[04:15] <ti_uhl> spiral : thx but my config file looks exactly the same
[04:15] <ti_uhl> :s
[04:16] <spiral> ti_uhl: :-/
[04:16] <spiral> all I can say is that this works for me...
[04:17] <jatos> dammit root terminal won't start...
[04:18] <spiral> ouah...
[04:18] <spiral> kdemultimedia wants to install now...
[04:19] <spiral> libtunepimp-bin seems to have been patched...
[04:19] <spiral> Riddell: is that you ?
[04:20] <Riddell> spiral: nope, not me
[04:20] <Riddell> maybe it was crimsun
[04:20] <spiral> Riddell: this installed without problem... just amarok now which still doesn't want to install...
[04:21] <crimsun> Riddell: nope, I'm not a member yet.
[04:22] <spiral> I don't know who did it, but I thank him...
[04:22] <spiral> but now, amarok still doesn't want to install :-/
[04:22] <Riddell> spiral: it was mdz, good man
[04:23] <spiral> mdz: thanks man :-) don't you know the trick for amarok ?
[04:24] <crimsun> spiral: amarok* has to be redone in one swoop because of -engines
[04:25] <Riddell> crimsun: is there some way that can be automatically done or should I upload a new version?
[04:25] <crimsun> spiral: it's more than likely being redone as you type or very shortly
[04:25] <spiral> crimsun: so you think that it should be available soon ?
[04:26] <spiral> (sorry, I'm french, and I don't know the meaning of swoop...)
[04:26] <crimsun> I have no ETA, but I would not be at all surprised if it were soon.
[04:26] <crimsun> Riddell: I don't know of an automatic method, but dput should suffice
[04:26] <kent> souki, now i reported another bug in Hoary. Damn im good :)
[04:26] <robertj> mdz: any clues on what package I should file a bug on for having menus dissapear on me in hoary/
[04:26] <souki> kent: what ?
[04:26] <trygvebw> Hi, i wondered how i upgrade to Hoary? I've changed everything in /etc/apt/sources.list to hoary, but when i run first "apt-get update" and then "apt-get dist-upgrade" i only get python-* packages. What have i done wrong?
[04:26] <robertj> mdz: also right click text, etc. Also, probably related, my screen is now stuck at 800x600 at 53hz by max
[04:27] <robertj> (I actually took it down to 640x480 66z for my eyes)
[04:27] <Kleggas> does warty have scsi support in the kernel that ships with it?
[04:27] <aethera> yes
[04:27] <mz2> does anybody know a utility i could use for converting oggs to mp3s?
[04:28] <njs12345> mz2: oggdec and lame from the command line
[04:28] <naibed> mz2, maybe 2 piped programs (dec and cod)
[04:28] <mz2> i've found plenty that do it from mp3s and others to oggs. i've already done it with a bash script but i'm not happy with my solution as I don't get the id3 tags to the newly created mp3s
[04:29] <Kleggas> so, how come I can't mount a simple usb-memory then? why does it mess with me about the filesystem type? it is vfat, I checked in windows, and I even reformated it with fat32...still I get error. does anyone here havd this problem?
[04:29] <mz2> njs12345, naibed, been there, done that. i'm really looking for something more refined than that :)
[04:29] <Kleggas> and if so, how to fix it?
[04:29] <kent> souki, well, an issue with update-manager. the columns in it have a fixed size, and i dont think it should be like that, since then its impossible to see some package-names /descriptions. Maximising the windows dont work, since the size is fixed.
[04:29] <njs12345> ah, I see
[04:30] <trygvebw> Does anyone know?
[04:30] <souki> kent: I se., great!
[04:30] <rob0> Kleggas, check dmesg when you plug it in
[04:30] <Kleggas> rob0: I have, its there
[04:30] <mz2> piping by the way slows it down quite a lot, it's quicker to do it via a temporary wav/aiff file than via piping the wav/aiff data from ogg123 to lame for example
[04:30] <kent> souki, it looks like this (no columns can be resized): http://leviatan.kicks-ass.org/update-manager-ubuntu-hoary-2005-01-15.png
[04:30] <LoOkY> Hi, i have been told that there not a way of saving your settings so ubuntu boots up the same way as you left it,. Is this true ?
[04:31] <souki> kent: there is an update-manager in hoary ?
[04:32] <kent> LoOkY, do you meen save the session in gnome? So, for example, the same application starts up as where running when you shutdown?  yes, thats possible for most application. Just press the "save session" button when you logout/reboot
[04:32] <scizzo> LoOkY: what do you mean the same way?
[04:32] <aethera> LoOkY: depends what settings
[04:32] <LoOkY> I want to save my gaim accounts and firefox book marks and xchat settings ?
[04:33] <aethera> it will do  that LoOkY
[04:33] <Kleggas> LoOkY: the usually does that without the user having to do anything about it
[04:34] <ron__fl> Can any one tell me how to do a manual install of XnView.  I checked the ubuntu How To's and did a search on the form for Manual Install and cold find nothing to help.I am a noob if you haven't gussed.
[04:34] <LoOkY> when i rebbot i have to set up accounts again in gaim, channels in xcahet, etc
[04:34] <kent> souki, yes, a bit like up2date in Fedora. (right now it needs you to manually update the list of packages with apt/synaptic, but i guess that can be managed with running it as a cron-script time to time automaticly)
[04:34] <LoOkY> it does not remeber them!
[04:34] <ron__fl> That would be fourm not form
[04:35] <aethera> LoOkY: you on a live cd?
[04:35] <LoOkY> yes
[04:35] <rob0> Kleggas, what have you tried?
[04:35] <aethera> that explains it
[04:35] <aethera> it cant save settings cause the disk is not writable
[04:36] <LoOkY> i know slax live cd gives you a configsave command, and when you save it ti the boot drive it reads this configae file and restore everthing auto like
[04:36] <rob0> I plug in a USB stick and it pops up on the GNOME desktop ...
[04:36] <LoOkY> but slax does not have xchat
[04:36] <Kleggas> rob0: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/usb..... I have edited /etc/mtab and /etc/fstab, I have plugged it out and back in, I have reformated it with fat32 again, I have done everything except for destroying it
[04:37] <Kleggas> rob0: wanna se the error message??
[04:37] <rob0> cat /proc/scsi/scsi ; fdisk -l /dev/sda
[04:37] <Kleggas> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
[04:37] <Kleggas>        or too many mounted file systems
[04:37] <Kleggas>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[04:37] <Kleggas>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[04:37] <biezt> the installation keeps hanging at python2.3-xmd or xlm and then aptitude wont do anything and if i log out i get a terminal screen without the gui
[04:38] <robertj> My log shows Mode: 38 (1280x1024) but I get Not using mode "1280x1024" (no mode of this name)
[04:38] <kent> souki, oh, i just saw now that the update-manager even manages to check the server for updates every hour. (it installs a script in cron, which checks..)
[04:38] <robertj> there are a few other Modes with that name, any suggestions?
[04:38] <LoOkY> so i take it that ubuntu live cd does not have this capability ?
[04:41] <Kleggas> rob0: I get alot of info about the correct usb-memory and fat32 filesystem
[04:41] <Kleggas> rob0: when I did cat: /proc/scsi/scsi ; fdisk -l /dev/sda
[04:41] <rob0> fdisk shows the sda1 partition?
[04:43] <robertj> Xorg should add a mode named 1280x1024 on the fly right?
[04:43] <Kleggas> rob0: it shows sda, and the correct filesize....while when I run same command on /dev/sda1 it shows sda1 and a filesize on 2082.3 GB...wich is false cuz its 128mb
[04:44] <spiral> Riddell: hmmm, are you sure that there is 1.2 beta amarok in hoary ?
[04:44] <Riddell> spiral: there isn't, it failed
[04:44] <Riddell> I'll look into it
[04:45] <spiral> Riddell: ok, thanks :-)
[04:45] <Kleggas> rob0: sorry, it shows sda1 when I run the command on sda....and on sda1 it shows sda1p1 wich doesn't exist
[04:48] <spiral> Riddell: I just checked their website, and they have a 1.2 beta3 I think...
[04:49] <Skwid_> how can i enable 3d acceleration ????
[04:49] <Kleggas> Skwid_: install drivers for your video card. download them from the manufacturers site
[04:49] <Riddell> spiral: ah fooey :)
[04:49] <Skwid_> Kleggas: ok
[04:50] <amex> does anyone know how to install module "Blender" for phyton?
[04:50] <amex> oops, python
[04:51] <scizzo> amex: ?
[04:51] <Kleggas> Skwid_: btw, if you have ati you allready have 3d accelerated drivers in ubuntu. don't know if the nvidia drivers are also 3daccelerated.....change the driver in /etc/XF86Config
[04:51] <scizzo> amex: isn't python build inside the blender application?
[04:52] <Skwid_> Kleggas: i have an intel chipset :(
[04:52] <scizzo> amex: or are you trying to compile it?
[04:52] <Kleggas> Skwid_: then see if there are any intel linux drivers
[04:52] <Skwid_> ok
[04:52] <Get> do I need to run ubuntu with xfree86?
[04:53] <Kleggas> Get: do you have to run anything with xfree86?
[04:53] <scizzo> Get: no but it is standard....maybe you should look at the expert mode of installation? ;)
[04:53] <amex> scizzo, I'm trying to run a program where I need a "import Blender", but I got this error "module Blender not found" or something like that
[04:54] <Get> scizzo: ok thx
[04:54] <scizzo> amex: do you have blender installed?
[04:54] <amex> yes
[04:54] <scizzo> mmm
[04:54] <scizzo> hmmm even
[04:54] <scizzo> amex: maybe you could look to see if someone of the Blender people knows a little more about that....
[04:55] <scizzo> amex: there is a channels here to help you with blende related issues
[04:55] <amex> scizzo, thank you, I will try
[04:56] <scizzo> amex: if you find it....let us know... :)
[04:56] <amex> scizzo, ok :)
[04:58] <marquivon> since last 12 hours i'm trying to install ubuntu through FAI. i am successfully able to boot a system using fai, but how do i install ubuntu on it? i mean is there any such command like "apt-get install ubuntu" which will install ubuntu?
[04:58] <robertj> jdub: how do you trigger X configuration to start again so it will overwrite your xorg conf and all that
[04:58] <robertj> marquivon: FAI?
[04:58] <marquivon> "Fully Automated Install". its like kickstart in redhat
[04:59] <robertj> oh, you could use debootstrap I guess
[04:59] <robertj> then set your networking config files, run grub, and you should be done
[05:00] <jdub> robertj: see the comment at the top of xorg.conf about md5sum stuff
[05:00] <robertj> jdub: I nuked it i'm afraid
[05:00] <robertj> although, come to think of it
[05:00] <robertj> I am on another Ubuntu box right now...
[05:01] <siretart> anyone using hoary and kernel 2.6.10?
[05:01] <Skwid_> grrr
[05:01] <Skwid_> forgot my root password
[05:01] <crimsun> siretart: yes. If so, you need to be using 2.6.10-8
[05:01] <siretart> I have a constant load of 2.0 on my pentium-m. any clues what could be causing it?
[05:02] <siretart> stopping X and wifi drivers does not work, cpu usage is low
[05:02] <crimsun> siretart: what does `top' identify as the culprint?
[05:02] <crimsun> (or culprits)
[05:02] <marquivon> robertj: fai does the debootstrap thing i guess. it automatically partitions the hard disk and install packages. thanks, me finding more about debootstrap
[05:02] <siretart> crimsun: as said, I cannot identify the culprit with top. All processes <6% cpu usage
[05:03] <Skwid_> what to do when you forget your password for root ? :s
[05:03] <siretart> Skwid_: boot from a live cd, chroot into the system and reset it
[05:03] <Skwid_> :/
[05:04] <Skwid_> i was sure of it though ....
[05:04] <robertj> jdub: can you paste that in?
[05:04] <Skwid_> oh
[05:04] <Skwid_> nevermind :)
[05:04] <robertj> this box is warty, I tried to sub in xorg for xfree86 but it didn't quite get done properly ;)
[05:05] <robertj> marquivon: there is also an ubuntu-desktop packages which depends on everything in the default install
[05:05] <marquivon> robertj: okay great! i think that's what i want
[05:06] <jpedrosa> hello guys. in hoary, one of the keyboard keys doesn't work for my keyboard layout ABNT2 portuguese brazil. It has these characters: /, "question mark"  and another one that I don't use. :-) how can I fix it or where can I report it, please
[05:07] <Skwid_> how do I know if i have 3d acceleration ?,
[05:07] <marquivon> robertj: i'll be setting this in an institute which has 75 computers. so when hoary comes, i believe i can very easily upgrade to it, right?
[05:07] <crimsun> Skwid_: check glxinfo (or fglrxinfo?)
[05:07] <crimsun> marquivon: yes.
[05:08] <robertj> marquivon: probably
[05:08] <robertj> marquivon: are they all the same machine?
[05:10] <marquivon> robertj: there are 4 different kinds of machines with different hardwares
[05:11] <neofeed> does anyone run warty and has RealPlayer installed?
[05:11] <BockBilbo> neofeed,  i did
[05:11] <aethera> neofeed: nope
[05:11] <aethera> not me
[05:11] <neofeed> BockBilbo, does not start :/
[05:11] <aethera> | status:   finishing in 248:47:29 (6.6%)                                      || speed:     16.3 KB/s down -  32.4 KB/s up                                    || totals:   159.6 MB   down - 538.2 MB   up
[05:12] <aethera> this torrent is going to take years
[05:12] <BockBilbo> neofeed, ... it doesnt neither for me now in hoary
[05:12] <BockBilbo> :(
[05:12] <BockBilbo> lol
[05:12] <aethera> | file:     CSI.The.Complete.4th.Season.HDTV.XviD-LOL                          || size:     8,421,613,568 (7.8 GB)
[05:12] <crimsun> aethera: please refrain from pasting questionably-obtained material :)
[05:13] <aethera> crimsun: uhm no
[05:13] <aethera> :P
[05:13] <BockBilbo> whats the best way to eliminate a kernel from the system?
[05:13] <crimsun> BockBilbo: remove it using synaptic/aptitude
[05:14] <BockBilbo> crimsun, just that?
[05:14] <crimsun> BockBilbo: yep
[05:14] <BockBilbo> will it remove the entry to grub's menu.lst?
[05:16] <neofeed> BockBilbo, got it to work!
[05:16] <xvlun> hi, can you tell me where ubuntu stores the kernel header files?
[05:16] <Linforcer> I installed KDE, my sound god fuxxed, I deinstalled KDE, my sound is still fuxxed, (when I say fuxxed I mean I hear static whenever I'm supposed to hear sounds) any ideas?
[05:16] <Linforcer> got*
[05:16] <BockBilbo> how neofeed?
[05:16] <neofeed> BockBilbo, you will have to disable the SoundServer in gnome.
[05:16] <BockBilbo> ... thats wierd
[05:16] <xvlun> i'm trying to install vmware and cannot find them
[05:16] <neofeed> it's blocking /dev/dsp. and that's why realplayer waits until it's freed.
[05:16] <BockBilbo> see i think we have diferrent problems
[05:16] <crimsun> xvlun: install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[05:16] <euphoria> hi all
[05:17] <BockBilbo> see.. in my case, reaplayer doesnt even start
[05:17] <BockBilbo> :S
[05:17] <crimsun> xvlun: then your headers will be in /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:17] <aethera> can nautilus make iso files from cd's?
[05:17] <neofeed> BockBilbo, yea it didn't for me either
[05:17] <BockBilbo> neofeed, have you checked if the real player configuring options support esd?
[05:18] <BockBilbo> ohmm
[05:18] <BockBilbo> ... well :(
[05:18] <euphoria> can help me im have the error :PPP: Not enabled when im try connect whitch gnome-ppp ?thank
[05:18] <kent> aethera, no, i dont think so.
[05:18] <neofeed> BockBilbo, i simply ran realplay and nothing happend... after I stopped esd, and ran realplay it wokred
[05:18] <BockBilbo> oh..
[05:18] <BockBilbo> let me check
[05:19] <scylax> aethera, you can dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso
[05:19] <aethera> scylax: I know that
[05:19] <aethera> :)
[05:19] <aethera> just wanted to know what nautilus can do
[05:19] <aethera> :)
[05:19] <scylax> sorry;)
[05:19] <aethera> whats a nice cdr proggy
[05:19] <BockBilbo> mm i removed all the realplay files
[05:19] <aethera> like to make audio cds;s from mp3
[05:19] <xvlun> crimsun: thanks i had the wrong version ;)
[05:20] <scylax> k3b *sigh*
[05:20] <neofeed> BockBilbo, System -> Settings -> Audio settings. [ ]  Start sound deamon | (uncheck), start RealPlay
[05:20] <aethera> no no no
[05:20] <aethera> kde is evil
[05:20] <crimsun> graveman
[05:20] <BockBilbo> neofeed, i understood you at first ;)
[05:20] <Linforcer> Qt is a lot faster than gtk2
[05:20] <BockBilbo> but i dnt have realplayer installed right now
[05:20] <BockBilbo> :S
[05:21] <scylax> is it?
[05:21] <scylax> gnome feels faster in my pc
[05:21] <aethera> I doubt it
[05:21] <BockBilbo> but... although i removed it.... the link still in te app menu
[05:21] <BockBilbo> :s
[05:21] <neofeed> BockBilbo, https://helixcommunity.org/download.php/800/realplay-10.0.2.608-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
[05:21] <Linforcer> Oh come on.
[05:21] <Linforcer> But well, i prefer Gnome despite it's slight slowerness.
[05:21] <ogra> Linforcer: how dou you come to this conclusion ?
[05:22] <Linforcer> I did not draw this conclusion myself.
[05:22] <crimsun> Linforcer: funny that you think it's slower then ;)
[05:22] <BockBilbo> thanks neofeed
[05:22] <Linforcer> Well, either way,
[05:22] <Linforcer> I still prefer Gnome.
[05:23] <Linforcer> (or fluxbox, 'cause that's fast for sure.)
[05:23] <euphoria> can help me im have the error :PPP: Not enabled when im try connect 56k externe modem whitch gnome-ppp ?thank
[05:23] <ogra> Linforcer: i always felt like gnome is a _lot_ faster....biut i never saw any emiprical tests
[05:23] <BockBilbo> crimsun, do you know whats the name of the package for the kernel 2.6.8.1??
[05:23] <crimsun> BockBilbo: for what cpu?
[05:23] <aethera> euphoria: what is the error
[05:23] <BockBilbo> centrino
[05:23] <crimsun> BockBilbo: linux-686
[05:23] <Nic> gnome and kde are both slow
[05:24] <BockBilbo> but...
[05:24] <scylax> both are faster than winxp anyway
[05:24] <ogra> Linforcer: so i would be happy about any document that funds your point of view :)
[05:24] <crimsun> BockBilbo: or if you want the actual image, it's linux-image-2.6.8.1-4-686
[05:24] <BockBilbo> mmm
[05:24] <BockBilbo> no..
[05:24] <BockBilbo> i just want to remove it
[05:24] <BockBilbo> i upgraded to hoary
[05:24] <BockBilbo> but i still have the warty kernel
[05:24] <Linforcer> I wish I had proof ;), all I have is people that say it that have a lot more experience than me.
[05:24] <euphoria> aethera: PPP: Not enabled
[05:24] <crimsun> BockBilbo: the warty-security kernel is linux-image-2.6.8.1-4-686 for you.
[05:24] <BockBilbo> linux-386 is the kernel 2.6.10-2
[05:24] <BockBilbo> :s
[05:25] <crimsun> BockBilbo: oh, you never installed an optimised one for your cpu?
[05:25] <euphoria> Unable to run /usr/sbin/pppd
[05:25] <euphoria> aethera: im put the dip im my user group
[05:25] <BockBilbo> crimsun, nope
[05:25] <BockBilbo> :S
[05:25] <BockBilbo> i used to compile my own kernels in debian
[05:25] <neofeed> BockBilbo, you might want to play with the AUDIO=... flag for RealPlayer
[05:25] <euphoria> and is a fresh ubuntu setup
[05:26] <neofeed> BockBilbo, looks like it would support somethin like AUDIO=/dev/null
[05:26] <neofeed>  + realplay
[05:26] <crimsun> BockBilbo: then just remove linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386
[05:26] <BockBilbo> ok
[05:27] <Scognito> hi all
[05:27] <emz> hi
[05:27] <BockBilbo> crimsun, and for deleting the 2.6.10-1, ill have to remove linux-image-2.6.10-2-386
[05:27] <BockBilbo> right?
[05:27] <Scognito> muine doesn't want to start, I got Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: libmuine
[05:28] <Scognito> some hint? (using hoary)
[05:29] <aethera> my system uses way to much memory
[05:29] <scylax> how much?
[05:29] <aethera> like 240 of 243
[05:29] <scylax> 140 here
[05:29] <aethera> but I r copy 10 gb over network
[05:29] <emz> wow
[05:29] <aethera> will see when it is done
[05:30] <aethera> but I can still watch movies
[05:30] <aethera> and play xmams
[05:30] <aethera> xmms
[05:30] <aethera> and run 2 desklests and have firefox and evolution open
[05:30] <aethera> and amule and gaim
[05:30] <aethera> and 3 terminals + bittorrent
[05:31] <aethera> and play tetris
[05:31] <BockBilbo> thank you crimsun
[05:31] <BockBilbo> and also neofeed
[05:31] <BockBilbo> :)
[05:32] <scylax> good aethera
[05:33] <scylax> plz anyone recommend me a good iconset
[05:36] <BockBilbo> is it possible to run a program in the background?
[05:36] <BockBilbo> i mean... for example, open a terminal
[05:36] <scizzo> BockBilbo: what sort of program?
[05:36] <scylax> $ some_command &
[05:36] <BockBilbo> a pop3 server
[05:36] <BockBilbo> ...
[05:37] <BockBilbo> its a webmail pop3 server, called freepops
[05:37] <naibed> BockBilbo, doesn't it have a start script..?
[05:38] <BockBilbo> mmm no that i know
[05:38] <BockBilbo> ...
[05:38] <BockBilbo> its just the srver program
[05:38] <scylax> yeah should be /etc/init.d/freepopsd start or something
[05:38] <BockBilbo> mm
[05:38] <aethera> will ubuntu ever move away from the debian base?
[05:38] <BockBilbo> let me see
[05:39] <BockBilbo> scylax,
[05:39] <BockBilbo> true
[05:39] <BockBilbo> but... why doesnt it start on boot?
[05:39] <naibed> BockBilbo, RTFM
[05:39] <BockBilbo> naibed, whats that?
[05:39] <naibed> BockBilbo, read the fucking manual
[05:40] <ogra> naibed: read the fine manual ;P
[05:40] <BockBilbo> ...
[05:40] <scylax> maybe it runs standalone
[05:40] <BockBilbo> naibed, ive read it
[05:40] <scylax> but must be explained in the fairly huge manual
[05:41] <BockBilbo> mm
[05:41] <BockBilbo> ok
[05:41] <BockBilbo> thank you
[05:41] <BockBilbo> :)
[05:41] <robertj> no no, F is for friendly!
[05:42] <scylax> hehe
[05:42] <BockBilbo> lol
[05:42] <ogra> robertj: funky :)
[05:43] <scizzo> Read the Fluffy Manual
[05:43] <ogra> furry ?
[05:43] <scizzo> Fluffy
[05:47] <BockBilbo> well
[05:47] <BockBilbo> thanks
[05:47] <BockBilbo> bye!
[05:47] <naibed> bye
[05:47] <euphoria> see you
[05:54] <Skwid_> how do i know if i have 3d acceleration enabled ?
[05:54] <bob2> what card do you have?
[05:54] <trygvebw> Hello, would it be possible to run Ubuntu/PPC on a 1400c? I know they are NuBus based, just wondering :)
[05:54] <Skwid_> bob2: intel chipset
[05:54] <trygvebw> Skwid: run glxgears
[05:55] <bob2> Skwid_: then probably, but their 3d acceleration isn't anything to write home about
[05:55] <Skwid_> treed: i did
[05:55] <bob2> trygvebw: old-world?
[05:55] <trygvebw> bob2: yeah
[05:55] <bob2> trygvebw: does linux support nubus at all?
[05:55] <trygvebw> bob2: yeah, i've heard someone running it on nubus'es
[05:55] <trygvebw> it = linux
[05:55] <bob2> hah
[05:56] <swj> I am new to linux and Ubuntu. I just installed warty however, I am getting hotplug errors and some other devices not found errors during.  The system log is not very informative. Any suggestions
[05:56] <bob2> about 'pcihp'?
[05:57] <swj> bob2, yes
[05:57] <swj> and hotplug
[05:57] <bob2> swj: it's safe to ignore
[05:58] <swj> bob2, ok then..like I said I am new...so when I see errors I thinks something is wrong :)
[05:58] <bob2> swj: the other errors may be important, but you'd need to record/write them down and show us
[06:00] <swj> bob2, thanks..I would put it up on nopaste, but how can I read the logs to find out..system logs option in the menu does not privide much info
[06:00] <bob2> swj: it's probably not logged anywhere, unfortunately
[06:01] <swj> bob2, I see...thanks...hmmm well all I can see there is about 5 to 7 lines of it
[06:01] <trygvebw> cat /var/log/messages | tail
[06:01] <trygvebw> ?
[06:01] <swj> bob2, I am going to update...since I am just testing ubuntu anyway
[06:01] <bob2> that doesn't record it
[06:02] <trygvebw> hmm... maybe not :)
[06:02] <swj> swj thats my last question (I hope) to bother you with, how to update to to the last hoary...(I am just testing anyway and want to learn linux the hard way) :)
[06:03] <trygvebw> change all occurences in /etc/apt/sources.list to "hoary"
[06:03] <trygvebw> run apt-get update
[06:03] <trygvebw> and run "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[06:03] <diamond> has anyone else noticed the wiki rejects valid email addresses if they have a '+' in them?
[06:03] <diamond> (as a registration address)
[06:04] <swj> trygvebw, thanks
[06:04] <Skwid_> can i install rpms in ubuntu ?
[06:04] <trygvebw> no
[06:04] <trygvebw> ubuntu uses deb's
[06:04] <trygvebw> not rpms
[06:04] <ogra> trygvebw: what are "all occurences" ?
[06:04] <ogra> heh
[06:04] <bob2> Skwid_: what rpm would you want to install?
[06:04] <ogra> you should mention warty
[06:04] <diamond> Skwid_: alien can convert rpms to deb. it _may_ be able to help. but it's a bit of a long shot.
[06:04] <Skwid_> jdk-1_5_0-beta2-linux-i586.rpm
[06:04] <diamond> Skwid_: you end up with dependancy problems.
[06:05] <ogra> Skwid_: there is a ubuntu package for java 1.5
[06:05] <Skwid_> i can't find it on synaptic :/
[06:05] <Skwid_> ogra: where ?
[06:05] <ogra> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[06:05] <trygvebw> weren't there a "bin" program for java somewhere?
[06:05] <david231153> help if anyone can please, just loaded and can't find my two other hard disks which are connect via raid card
[06:06] <trygvebw> *jdk
[06:06] <diamond> david231153: what raid card?
[06:06] <david231153> silicon
[06:06] <diamond> david231153: sata?
[06:06] <ogra> Skwid_: add multiverse and the additional tower-net repository
[06:07] <ogra> Skwid_: like method 0 says
[06:07] <david231153> hang on I'm having a memory block here, it comes with age :)
[06:07] <Skwid_> ogra: ok
[06:08] <Skwid_> ogra: how do i add multiverse with hoary ?
[06:08] <diamond> david231153: -)
[06:08] <ogra> Skwid_: like you do it in warty
[06:08] <Skwid_> ok
[06:08] <plagiats> hi everyone
[06:09] <david231153> right had to look in device manager it is a silicon pci10680 ultra ata-133 host controller
[06:09] <david231153> it was seen when i used the live cd
[06:09] <diamond> david231153: ah. interesting
[06:09] <plagiats> I got problems compiling Ralink drivers on ubuntu, I got lot of compil' errors such as "error: storage size of". Could anyone please help me?
[06:10] <diamond> david231153: sounds like a driver isn't being loaded
[06:10] <david231153> thats what i thought, if it was windows i could sort it, but this is new to me
[06:11] <diamond> david231153: a quick google with the name of the controller and linux might give you a clue as to what the driver is
[06:12] <david231153> you mean in mozilla?
[06:13] <trygvebw> hm... apt-get -f dist-upgrade is trying to remove libnautilus
[06:13] <trygvebw> should i allow it to do?
[06:14] <trygvebw> well i did :D
[06:14] <diamond> david231153: aye
[06:14] <trygvebw> david231153, where else :D
[06:19] <aethera> scylax: what work do you do mate?
[06:20] <scylax> i'm a teacher
[06:20] <aethera> kewl
[06:20] <scylax> why?
[06:20] <aethera> what subjects?
[06:20] <aethera> just wanted to know mate
[06:20] <scylax> u?
[06:20] <scylax> IT
[06:20] <aethera> I do technical support for a ISP
[06:21] <scylax> tcp/ip & activedirectory basically
[06:21] <aethera> going to start a unix consultancy firm
[06:21] <scylax> good
[06:21] <aethera> scylax: novell linux freebsd and a host of other things
[06:21] <aethera> MS 2003 server aswell
[06:26] <scylax> aethera, sounds good
[06:26] <scylax> hope you find enough customers
[06:27] <aethera> scylax: thabuntuts why I am testing u
[06:27] <aethera> scylax: thats why I am testing ubuntu
[06:27] <aethera> going to roll out 150 clients with ubuntu
[06:27] <aethera> :>
[06:27] <scylax> yeah, good choice
[06:27] <aethera> I prefer it to mandrake
[06:28] <Tsjoklat> aethera you own a company of some sort?
[06:28] <aethera> Tsjoklat: starting one
[06:28] <Tsjoklat> aethera in what if I may ask?
[06:28] <aethera> Tsjoklat: scroll up :P
[06:28] <aethera> www.aethera-core.net
[06:29] <Tsjoklat> aethera I just re-joined the channel.. hard to scroll up :P
[06:29] <scylax> i hate mandrake :D
[06:29] <scylax> i'm starting my own company too, next feb
[06:29] <aethera> scylax: mandrake has it uses :)
[06:30] <aethera> so does redhat
[06:30] <scylax> redhat seems less buggy
[06:30] <aethera> I am not a redhat fan but it has it uses for somethings
[06:30] <aethera> but I prefer freebsd on my servers
[06:30] <plagiats> troll!
[06:30] <Tsjoklat> aethera is this your first deb/debbased distro?
[06:30] <scylax> lol
[06:30] <aethera> Tsjoklat: no
[06:31] <aethera> I used woody and knoppix before
[06:31] <plagiats> scylax: what's wrong with mandrake?
[06:31] <aethera> plagiats: mandrake is buggy as hell
[06:31] <scylax> they don't test enough before releasing
[06:31] <scylax> they release even though there are glaring bugs everyone sees in 5 minutes
[06:32] <plagiats> scylax: I've seen their QA working and all I can do is agreeing. but this is the reason why they made a system of "community" vs "official"
[06:32] <scylax> i don't understand why it's so popular
[06:32] <aethera> scylax: it has alot of applications
[06:32] <aethera> and the community is big
[06:32] <aethera> Like gentoo
[06:32] <scylax> well, so does debian
[06:33] <aethera> its a nice distro but its easy to break
[06:33] <plagiats> scylax: graphical installation (makes popular), rpms (makes windows-fan happy), eye-candy config tools.
[06:33] <scylax> anyway i don't really care... i use what works for me at a given time
[06:33] <jdub> guys, the distro-war discussion is off-topic here :)
[06:33] <scylax> yeah ok
[06:33] <aethera> jdub: not a war just waying pro's and cons
[06:33] <scylax> plus i like the philosophy behind ubuntu
[06:33] <plagiats> scylax: it is not that easy to get debian. Imagine a daddy wanting to adopt linux. He goes on debian.org : huuuuuuu. Then he clicks: 14cds. NO WAY. :D
[06:33] <aethera> and the community :>
[06:34] <scylax> oh you're right
[06:34] <scylax> i should have said debian based :D
[06:34] <plagiats> yeah :D
[06:35] <aethera> anyway ubuntu has the best experience
[06:35] <aethera> just a nice graphical installer will be nice
[06:35] <trygvebw> aethara: which cvs is your site made with?
[06:35] <trygvebw> cms
[06:35] <trygvebw> *
[06:35] <trygvebw> .D
[06:35] <scylax> oh yeah the installer is not fashion ;)
[06:35] <aethera> trygvebw: cms = zope + plone
[06:36] <aethera> scylax: for me its ok but to promote to a clients its not
[06:36] <plagiats> aethera : and if only I could find a way to compil my ralink driver just as easily debian folks do! :(
[06:36] <scylax> but the login!:)
[06:36] <trygvebw> aethera, danke
[06:36] <aethera> trygvebw: plesier
[06:37] <aethera> scylax: whats apps do you have installed
[06:37] <scylax> nothing special, just installed it two days ago
[06:37] <scylax> firestarter,digikam(sorry)
[06:37] <scylax> realplayer,java,mplayer
[06:37] <aethera> root@epox:/home/jeanre # apt-get install scite
[06:38] <aethera> firestarted?
[06:38] <scylax> a firewall
[06:38] <aethera> Ah I use my bsd box for that
[06:38] <scylax> aha
[06:38] <aethera> and I have monodevelop
[06:38] <aethera> :>
[06:39] <re-mind> <-windows user. does anybody know anything about sata-raid? i have decided to install ubuntu but have some doubts..
[06:39] <scylax> i'd like to learn that too
[06:39] <scylax> have visual studio somewhere
[06:39] <aethera> re-mind: sata works
[06:39] <aethera> scylax: I have it too but linux is so much more stable
[06:39] <scylax> sata works better than in windows in my experience
[06:39] <re-mind> ye i know.. but sata-raid?
[06:39] <aethera> works fine
[06:40] <re-mind> aethera, thx :)
[06:40] <spiral> hi
[06:40] <scylax> maybe
[06:40] <scylax> feels stable so far
[06:40] <spiral> Riddell: hi again... did you find a way with amaroK ?
[06:40] <scylax> only minor glitches
[06:41] <plagiats> Do you know what compil error like "error: storage size of" or such can come from?
[06:41] <sbrath> Is the mirror admin here?
[06:41] <plagiats> I mean where
[06:42] <Riddell> spiral: I'm compiling it now
[06:42] <spiral> Riddell: nice :-) if it works, I'll be eternally reconnaissant to you :-p
[06:44] <Faustus> guys I have X displying with correct sync ranges.  I've adjusted my screen slightly with xvidtune 'cause it was off centre.  Looks good enough, but apply does not write changes to Config-4 file.  So reboot does not preserve a centered screen.  Is this not supposed to be the case?
[06:45] <spiral> hmmm... nobody's having problems with centrino, acpi, speedstep & etc. on hoary there ?
[06:46] <bob2> works great for me
[06:46] <Scooter> My Birthday today :) , I was wondering if anyone has the new ATI drivers yet?
[06:46] <spiral> bob2: you use powernowd ou cpufreqd ?
[06:46] <spiral> or sorry
[06:47] <spiral> i get :
[06:47] <spiral> FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_centrino (/lib/modules/2.6.10-2-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-centrino.ko): No such device
[06:47] <Scooter> I am looking at forums, I see no announcement .
[06:48] <spiral> Scooter: neither on #ati :-/
[06:48] <bob2> spiral: powernowd
[06:49] <bob2> spiral: that means it doesn't htink you have hardware it knows about
[06:49] <Riddell> spiral: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubuntu/amarok/
[06:49] <Scooter> yea, I see no anouncement on ATI website either...
[06:49] <spiral> Riddell: I'm trying to download these, thanks
[06:51] <spiral> Riddell: how shall I install these ? dpkg -i * doesn't work :-/
[06:51] <trygvebw> Hoary is great :D
[06:51] <spiral> Riddell: dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy)
[06:51] <scylax> :)
[06:51] <bob2> spiral: the .deb you downloaded is incomplete
[06:51] <scylax> something great& new in it?
[06:52] <trygvebw> gnome 2.9.4
[06:52] <trygvebw> kernel 2.6.10
[06:52] <spiral> Riddell: is it normal ?
[06:52] <bob2> spiral: no
[06:52] <bob2> spiral: make sure your download completed successfully
[06:53] <spiral> I'm trying again...
[06:53] <bob2> Riddell: you really should look at apt-ftparchive...
[06:53] <mdz> robertj: there is already a bug open about that problem
[06:55] <spiral> libsqllite...
[06:55] <spiral> oh lord...
[06:56] <spiral> this should work now, I hope :-)
[06:57] <spiral> why doesn't apt handle files not on apt servers ?
[06:57] <spiral> :-p
[06:57] <spiral> bob2: I've got a Pentium M 725 1,6...
[06:57] <spiral> is it normal that it isn't handled ?
[06:58] <trygvebw> firefox crashed :(
[06:58] <aethera> lol
[06:58] <Jelte> hi all... I followed the steps on the ubuntu site for setting up my samba to connect to windows machines on my LAN.  However, it seems to be very slow, and i can't connect to any of the shared folders... any thoughts? any known problems?
[06:59] <bob2> spiral: sure it's a centrino chipset?
[06:59] <Jelte> i can see the M$ machine, but opening it i get a permission denied.. manually adding the name of the shared folder and trying that does give me the auth window, but then nothing happens...
[07:00] <spiral> bob2: yes... sure about it
[07:00] <spiral> Riddell: it doesn't like my arts... :-p
[07:01] <spiral> "An error happened while loading libamarokarts try killall -9 artsd && amarok"
[07:01] <Riddell> spiral: works for me, what artsd -v say?
[07:02] <Riddell> spiral: what happens when you do that?
[07:02] <spiral> Riddell: artsd 1.3.2
[07:03] <punkrockguy318> #flood
[07:03] <Riddell> spiral: what happens when you kill artsd and restart amarok?
[07:04] <spiral> Riddell: I don't get any error messages, but no sound either
[07:09] <spiral> Riddell: oh... I'm getting some sound extracts from time to time...
[07:09] <usual> how can I burn mp3's to an audio cd in ubuntu
[07:10] <usual> without k3b
[07:10] <spiral> usual: mp3burn ?
[07:10] <spiral> mp3roaster ?
[07:10] <OddAbe19> gnomebaker
[07:11] <usual> spiral, I'll give them a shot
[07:11] <Riddell> spiral: try a different output?
[07:12] <spiral> Riddell: yeah, I tried almost everything :-//
[07:12] <spiral> I shall try with ogg files maybe... I got a similar problem a few months ago...
[07:13] <usual> spiral, * Checking file [ up2lowercase rmspaces rmbrackets rmquotes rmquestionmarks ] 
[07:13] <usual> Can't use an undefined value as a symbol reference at /usr/share/perl5/File/MMagic.pm line 576.
[07:13] <usual> mp3roaster
[07:14] <spiral> usual: ouah...
[07:15] <joefso> Hi, I'm running ubuntu warty. I have a sound blaster live 5.1 . The only audio app that's working xmms with alsa. mplayer -fs -zoom -ao alsa sample-movie.avi isn't working
[07:15] <joefso> neither is totem
[07:15] <joefso> how come?
[07:16] <usual> spiral, mp3burn doesn't see the burner because it uses cdrecord -scanbus
[07:16] <spiral> arf...
[07:16] <usual> I just want to burn mp3's to an audio cd's there has to be a painless way
[07:17] <usual> spiral, I think I have mp3roaster working
[07:18] <bob2> joefso: "isn't working"?
[07:18] <usual> spiral, it didn't like the path filenames with spaces and special char's
[07:18] <joefso> bob2: hi, no only xmms with alsa is working. totem isn't working either, mplayer -fs -zoom -ao alsa movie-sample.avi also not.
[07:19] <bob2> joefso: it hangs? gives an error? sets your cat on fire?
[07:19] <joefso> bob2: i have 2 soundscards bytheway
[07:19] <bob2> joefso: there you go
[07:19] <pd> anyone with mono > 1.0.5 installed?
[07:19] <spiral> yeah... this works with ogg...
[07:19] <joefso> bob2: but howcome xmms is working withouth modiyfing any settings exept setting the plugin to alsa, and other players don't work
[07:20] <joefso> bob2: and how do I handle this with ubuntu? multiply soundcards is there osme gui?
[07:20] <spiral> Riddell: I just have to do a little mp32ogg, and that will be fine :-)
[07:20] <joefso> *some
[07:20] <bob2> joefso: I don't understand that comment
[07:20] <jpedrosa> guys, one of the keys of my keyboard does not work on hoary. It's a brazilian ABNT2 keyboard/layout. maybe someone can guide me on how to fix this. I need it or else I can't program... :P
[07:20] <joefso> bob2: I was wondering why xmms is working and those other applications don't.
[07:20] <bob2> joefso: is one internal?
[07:20] <bob2> joefso: xmms by default uses oss
[07:21] <joefso> bob2: I have on onboard
[07:21] <bob2> joefso: can you disable it in the bios?
[07:21] <joefso> bob2: yes, i modified xmms, I have choosen the alsa plugin
[07:21] <usual> spiral,  * Normalizing wav files, please wait...  ! ERROR in sub WAV_NORMALIZE
[07:21] <usual>    the normalizing process was not successful,
[07:21] <usual>    normalize error code 32512.
[07:21] <usual> any idea?
[07:21] <spiral> usual: k3b :-p
[07:21] <usual> bah!
[07:22] <bob2> joefso: and that works?
[07:22] <Riddell> spiral: tell me if this fixes it:  apt-get install libarts1-mpeglib
[07:22] <joefso> bob2: yes that works
[07:22] <joefso> bob2: but e.g mplayer doesn't
[07:22] <bob2> joefso: does -ao alsa09?
[07:23] <usual> spiral, k3b is broken in hoary
[07:23] <usual> this sucks
[07:23] <spiral> usual: no !!!
[07:23] <Riddell> usual: what's broken?
[07:23] <spiral> usual: i've got it on my hoary !
[07:23] <usual> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:23] <usual>   k3blibs: Depends: libflac++2c102 but it is not installable
[07:24] <spiral> usual: check again, it works now
[07:24] <jdub>   k3b: Depends: k3blibs (>= 0.11.18) but it is not installable
[07:24] <spiral> Riddell: yeah, you were right... now I've only got 3 wma files that don't work...
[07:24] <joefso> bob2: doesn't work either
[07:24] <spiral> is there a solution for this awful format or at least for converting them to ogg ?
[07:24] <Riddell> spiral: cool, I'd like to make kdelibs depend on libarts1-mpeglib
[07:24] <joefso> bob2: Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. Audio: no sound
[07:24] <joefso> bob2: that's what mplayer output said
[07:25] <bob2> jeddy3: ok
[07:25] <Riddell> spiral: you'd need win32 codecs
[07:26] <spiral> Win32 codecs have to be downloaded separately.
[07:26] <spiral>   They are NOT part of this package.
[07:26] <spiral>   See documentation for more details.
[07:26] <spiral> Riddell: that's that ?
[07:26] <spiral> do you know from where I could install win32 codecs, just in order for me to convert these files ?
[07:26] <bob2> spiral: www.mplayer.hu
[07:26] <joefso> bob2: when i but the plugs on the onboard mobo card the sound works with mplayer
[07:27] <Riddell> spiral: marillat apt archive
[07:27] <bob2> aethera: please turn that off
[07:27] <joefso> bob2: so I'm guessing it uses the onboard card, how do I make mplayer use the other one
[07:27] <spiral> bob2: unreachable host
[07:27] <spiral> Riddell: I've got marillat apt in my sources.list...
[07:27] <bob2> joefso: just disable it in your bios
[07:27] <bob2> joefso: or blacklist the module in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:27] <bob2> spiral: it's in the w32codecs package
[07:27] <Riddell> spiral: sudo apt-get install w32codecs   mplayer or xine should play them
[07:28] <elocal> hello
[07:28] <spiral> "w32codecs is already the newest version"
[07:28] <spiral> damn it :-p
[07:28] <elocal> is there a mirror for hoary repositories?
[07:28] <aethera> esac: Couldn't find package w32codecs
[07:28] <aethera> root@epox:~ #
[07:28] <spiral> i hate wma...
[07:28] <lupus_> can someone give me a good howto on building a more up to date deb package from existing source files
[07:29] <elocal> I am trying to move from warty to hoary but it is 800 packages and the default server is too slow
[07:29] <bob2> elocal: it's on every ubuntu mirror
[07:29] <bob2> elocal: wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[07:29] <elocal> tnx
[07:31] <spiral> Riddell: and what is more surprising is that I can read them with mplayer...
[07:31] <aethera> the evolution groupware connect to what server for shared calander and stufF?
[07:31] <spiral> does anyone here know how I could transform these 3 wma in ogg ?
[07:31] <Skwid_> just installed project looking glass on ubuntu guys :)
[07:31] <bob2> it's really not worth it
[07:33] <Riddell> spiral: mencoder?
[07:34] <phily> anyone know a repository where i can get software that will actually play a movie?
[07:34] <Skwid_> it's sweet !!
[07:34] <joefso> bob2: if I disable it with hotplug will gnome and gtk/qt applications use that sound device by default?
[07:34] <joefso> that isn't disabled?
[07:34] <aethera> phily: xine!!!!
[07:35] <bob2> phily: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormat
[07:35] <spiral> Riddell: yeah, I'm trying it, just don't find the good -oac for ogg...
[07:35] <bob2> phily: don't forget to write to your congress critter complaining about how their laws are screwing you
[07:35] <sbrath> elocal: Where are you. In the US? which box is to slow?
[07:36] <elocal> sbrath, yes in the US
[07:36] <elocal> sbrath, archive box
[07:36] <sbrath> elocal: I'm mirroring up the ubuntu stuff to debian.mirrors.tds.net  Should have it all soon.
[07:37] <elocal> sbrath, nice
[07:37] <Luke23MSwitchNor> Hello all...
[07:37] <aethera> what is a good replacement for ms exchange
[07:37] <scylax> postfix or sendmail i guess
[07:38] <aethera> scylax: that does not include shared calanders and stuff
[07:38] <scylax> then i don't know
[07:38] <aethera> scylax: :)
[07:38] <phily> bob2, huh?
[07:39] <Luke23MSwitchNor> I've just started install ubuntu on a laptop - I'm so far very impressed.. Well done all!!
[07:39] <phily> bob2, laws? on the internet? heh
[07:39] <bob2> phily: the reason ubuntu doesn't ship with all that stuff by default is silly laws
[07:40] <roothorick> I'm considering installing Ubuntu on a couple workstations owned by decidedly not computer-savvy people, and I have a couple of questions
[07:41] <roothorick> first of all, how well are wireless devices/networks (802.11b specifically) supported?
[07:41] <OddAbe19> well... with tweaking
[07:41] <bob2> roothorick: well
[07:42] <roothorick> setting up my prism2-based pocket adapter on my Gentoo-powered personal workstation was a walk in the park, but that's how Gentoo is with anything well-supported provided you have the knowledge necessary to maintain a Gentoo box
[07:43] <roothorick> and prism2 pocket adapters aren't common on this network, the primary card of choice right now is a Blitzz PCI model running the ADM8211 chipset
[07:44] <Luke23MSwitchNor> did you hear? I said you are all wonderful - thank you for ubuntu !!
[07:44] <Skwid_> how  to change mode to 3 ?
[07:44] <Skwid_> (to get out of X)
[07:44] <bob2> Skwid_: this isn't redhat
[07:44] <bob2> Skwid_: what are you trying to do?
[07:44] <Skwid_> install drivers for my  graphic chipste
[07:44] <OddAbe19> Skwid_, (as root) /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[07:45] <bob2> you don't need to shutdown X fore that
[07:45] <OddAbe19> bob2, yes you do
[07:45] <OddAbe19> infact the nvidia drivers warn you if you haven't already
[07:45] <cutterjohn> init 3?
[07:45] <OddAbe19> and won't continue till you do
[07:45] <OddAbe19> no, 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[07:45] <OddAbe19> no, 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop'
[07:45] <bob2> cutterjohn: why would you need to shut it down?
[07:45] <bob2> cutterjohn: this isn't redhat
[07:45] <bob2> cutterjohn: 3 is identical to 2, the default
[07:46] <bob2> er, OddAbe19, why would you need to shut it down?
[07:46] <OddAbe19> you need to shut down X
[07:46] <cutterjohn> (er, actually YDL in my case, but same difference almost...)
[07:46] <johnio> has anyone had any experience recovering a damaged file system?
[07:46] <OddAbe19> the nvidia drivers make you
[07:46] <OddAbe19> from their site
[07:46] <bob2> that seems like a bug in the drivers
[07:46] <OddAbe19> no, it's always been like that
[07:47] <bob2> but *why* should you have to shut down X to install them?
[07:47] <roothorick> how well does Ubuntu handle user-supplied drivers?
[07:47] <OddAbe19> why no? :-P
[07:47] <roothorick> I happened to stumble upon a promising-looking driver for the ADM8211
[07:47] <cutterjohn> wow, you're right gdb IS started at runlevel 2+...
[07:47] <OddAbe19> why not*
[07:47] <bob2> OddAbe19: because it's pointless
[07:47] <OddAbe19> lol, i know that
[07:47] <bob2> you can throw files on disk while X is running
[07:48] <OddAbe19> but i do whatever nvidia tells me to (keeps me from blowing up my pc)
[07:48] <OddAbe19> you only have to shut off the gdm
[07:48] <bob2> that's very weird
[07:48] <eyequeue> is there a simple way to add apps to the Applications menu in warty?
[07:49] <bob2> applications:/// in nautilus
[07:49] <OddAbe19> eyequeue, goto run application and type in applications:///
[07:49] <cutterjohn> since I'm here, and might get a quick and easy answer:  are there any dependencies between dbus & hal?  I ask because I'm running on an ibook and as mentioned elsewhere hald prevents waking properly...
[07:49] <OddAbe19> or that
[07:49] <eyequeue> OddAbe19: tripleslash?
[07:49] <bob2> cutterjohn: yes, of course...the bug about that explains a work around
[07:49] <bob2> eyequeue: yes
[07:49] <OddAbe19> yes
[07:49] <jdub> cutterjohn: hal depends on dbus
[07:49] <cutterjohn> bob2: work around didnt work for me
[07:50] <cutterjohn> bob2: used version in forums
[07:50] <eyequeue> cool, thank you
[07:50] <OddAbe19> no probl
[07:50] <bob2> cutterjohn: er, don't trust the forums.  bugzilla.ubuntu.com/1940
[07:50] <eyequeue> i'd never have guessed that, is there some doc somewhere i can look such things up?
[07:50] <cutterjohn> bob2: adding an explicit hald kill fixed the workaround
[07:50] <bob2> eyequeue: it's in the FAQ, iirc
[07:50] <eyequeue> this channel is great, but i do prefer to be self-sufficient when i can
[07:50] <bob2> if not, it should be
[07:51] <elocal> how does hoary behaves under AMD64?
[07:51] <eyequeue> bob2: i see it in the /topic now ... curious ... can i install it locally, for when this laptop is not net-connected?
[07:51] <bob2> don't think so
[07:51] <eyequeue> okay
[07:51] <cutterjohn> bob2: thanks, I guessed correctly then... (I did look at the bugzilla entry, but reading patch files... yech)
[07:51] <eyequeue> was worth asking
[07:51] <bob2> jdub: "someone" (in the hyatia sense) should package the FAQ
[07:52] <eyequeue> as in 'apt-get install ubuntu-faq' yes!
[07:53] <elocal> I am running 32bit Ubuntu on my Athlon 64 since with Gentoo AMD64 there are some minor but bothersome glitches such as Java and Flash, Cedega and other 32 bit apps running...
[07:54] <bob2> well, java and flash depend on Sun and macromedia pulling their finger out
[07:54] <bob2> which may or may not have happend
[07:54] <bob2> cedega fundamentally depends on being a 32-bit application
[07:55] <eyequeue> thanks again, i'm gone now
[07:57] <nifgraup> hi, I'm having problems with compiling a Hoary daily install-cd using jigit
[07:59] <nifgraup> Jigit downloads all the files and then says it is unable to find a file, although it is there
[07:59] <_d4vid> play HIM - You Are the One.mp3
[07:59] <joefso> hi bob2 i'm back. Could you tell me how to find out which modules are using snd_intel8x0 ( because putting snd_intel8x0 in /etc/hotplug/blacklisted isn't enough, so I thought I needed to find out what modules are using the module that I don't want to be loaded.
[07:59] <bob2> _d4vid: please turn that off
[08:00] <bob2> joefso: I don't know.  try asking on the user list.
[08:01] <neofeed> how can I obtain the current thoughput on a network device, via CLI?
[08:02] <bob2> iptraf is good for that
[08:03] <neofeed> bob2, isn't there some info in the /proc fs?
[08:03] <bob2> neofeed: it wraps at 4gb
[08:03] <neofeed> huh?
[08:03] <JRlinux> Live Ubuntu here.   No Newsreader?
[08:04] <bob2> quite possibly
[08:04] <bob2> neofeed: the counters ifconfig access wrap at 4gb of data transfered
[08:04] <parazoid> could someone tell me how to mount a secondary-drive? It?s using fat32 filesystem.
[08:05] <neofeed> bob2, nah. I just want to know how much my throughput per secound is ...
[08:05] <neofeed> bob2, I don't care if they wrap at 4gb
[08:05] <JRlinux> What does "Warty" stand for?
[08:05] <bob2> JRlinux: warty warthog
[08:05] <JRlinux> OK-- Why "Warthog"?
[08:06] <neofeed> JRlinux, why not?
[08:06] <bob2> parazoid: 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda' will help you find the partition name
[08:06] <JRlinux> OK
[08:06] <parazoid> bob2, ok
[08:06] <bob2> JRlinux: the joke was that the first release would be a 'warty but a good start'
[08:06] <JRlinux> Oh, I see.  Thanks!
[08:07] <JRlinux> I see no way to access my HD from here...
[08:10] <Luke23MSwitchNor> did you know you could enable the root account by typing "sudo passwd" ?
[08:10] <bob2> yes
[08:10] <bob2> it's in the faq, no less
[08:10] <parazoid> bob2, okay it?s hdb1. I type sudo mount /dev/hdb1/, but it says: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[08:10] <JRlinux> Moving along; thanks all.
[08:11] <bob2> parazoid: yes, you need to add it to there
[08:11] <Luke23MSwitchNor> bob2, oh ok - I didn't read the faq - I just was quite pleased i figured it out :)
[08:11] <bob2> '/dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows/ vfat umask=002 0 0', for example
[08:12] <parazoid> ok
[08:12] <cutterjohn> (I knew, since OSX did the same thing, and probably other distro & variants as well...)
[08:12] <bob2> Luke23MSwitchNor: ah, cool
[08:15] <notdenizen> is there a way to fix this: "nv_sata: Primary device added" without upgrading the kernel ? The stock warty kernel spams these errors into my logs, and 2.6.10 is incapable of running wine (atleast on my amd64).
[08:17] <fabbione> notdenizen: 2.6.10 from hoary or from kernel.org?
[08:17] <cutterjohn> d'oh, was going to mention using ntop to neofeed for monitoring interface throughput...
[08:18] <cutterjohn> neofeed: did you look at ntop?  sort of like top for network interfaces, and it's in the repo...
[08:18] <notdenizen> fabbione, vanilla kernel sources from kernel.org
[08:19] <fabbione> notdenizen: please use the one from hoary. I backported the fixes to make wine run on 2.6.10
[08:19] <Linforcer> Can anyone tell me how I can get my screen resolution beyond 1024x786? I have the Nvidia driver installed, and I KNOW my hardware can do it.
[08:19] <neofeed> cutterjohn, I tried to see why my DL thoughput was so slow.
[08:19] <neofeed> cutterjohn, looks like it's the sources I use :/
[08:20] <Linforcer> Wait... I'll just tgry editing Xfree86-4 first then come asking if I fail
[08:20] <Linforcer> config*
[08:20] <notdenizen> fabbione, excellent! thats just the kind of answer i was hoping for :) is there a line i can add to my sources.list that will allow me to get at it ?
[08:20] <neofeed> looks like archives.ubuntu.com is a little slow tonight
[08:20] <cutterjohn> neofeed: oic...
[08:21] <froust> How can I make icons for my cdrom and usb drive show up on the desktop when they're mounted?
[08:21] <fabbione> notdenizen: it's probably easier to get the debs from the archive and install them manually
[08:21] <fabbione> notdenizen: otherwise you might risk to have an entire hoary machine running
[08:21] <cutterjohn> neofeed: you may also be interested in snort for monitoring local port queries(user configurable)
[08:22] <cutterjohn> neofeed: or mrtg or rrdtool for general interface monitoring...
[08:22] <neofeed> cutterjohn, I just tried to DL another file. And got the remaining BandWidth on that.
[08:22] <notdenizen> fabbione, will do. just to clarify, I need the linux-tree-2.6.10*.deb from hoary, and that will install just fine into warty ?
[08:23] <cutterjohn> neofeed: ic.  (the site that you are dling from could also be limiting bandwidth on a per connection basis...)
[08:23] <Linforcer> wee, I did it all by myself.
[08:23] <Linforcer> I'm starting to get basic knowledge
[08:23] <neofeed> cutterjohn, nah. I get 110 usualy.. currently I get 35
[08:23] <fabbione> notdenizen: it should install fine. In the worst case it will tell that you need another one or two packages from hoary (proabably initrd-tools)
[08:23] <Zotnix> Hey everyone. I was messing around with firestarter and network-admin and I think I broke something. Basically /etc/init.d/networking fails on bootup and when I try to run it. In network-admin it seems eth0 is always set to be static (but no static IP is filled in). I have to set it to dhcp and activate it from there.
[08:23] <sbrath> I'm looking to mirror ubuntu in the US here, what stuff all needs to be mirrored? I have the /ubuntu dir so far.
[08:23] <sbrath> It soulds like everyone says the current mirrors are slow.
[08:24] <notdenizen> fabbione, not a problem. Thanks again :)
[08:24] <cutterjohn> neofeed: heh pretty big difference... I used to just dl a new kernel from kernel.org as a q&d bandwidth checker...
[08:24] <Nonphasis> anyone playing anarchy online on cedega?
[08:24] <fabbione> notdenizen: but i suggest you to get only the one you need for your processor. It's pointless to get k7 and k7-smp if you have a 686 :=
[08:24] <Zotnix> I'm thinking someohow /etc/network/interfaces was damaged.
[08:24] <neofeed> cutterjohn, well got 7.30 min left. that's okay
[08:25] <neofeed> beezly,  neat v6
[08:25] <beezly> neofeed: yep :)
[08:25] <cutterjohn> neofeed: yep, anything is better than what I'm currently at ~5...
[08:25] <neofeed> beezly, what service do you use?
[08:25] <beezly> BT Exact's tunnel broker
[08:25] <beezly> although at work I use v6 native
[08:25] <neofeed> BT? Brit's Telco?
[08:26] <beezly> neofeed: yep
[08:26] <notdenizen> fabbione, i will downloading a binary package? I was under the impression I was supposed to grab a pre-patched source ?
[08:27] <neofeed> beezly, my telco sucks ...
[08:27] <beezly> neofeed: you can use the tunnel broker if you like, I'm not a BT customer...
[08:27] <beezly> neofeed: https://tb.ipv6.btexact.com/
[08:27] <neofeed> costs?
[08:27] <beezly> neofeed: 0
[08:27] <neofeed> any other draws?
[08:28] <cutterjohn> yeah, I think a few other sites still offer to tunnel to ipv6 but I haven't bothered to look in years...
[08:28] <froust> any idea how to connect to a vpn in ubuntu?
[08:28] <beezly> neofeed: nope, well, none more-so than any other tunnel broker service
[08:28] <Zotnix> Does anyone here have a default /etc/network/interfaces that gets an IP via dhcp on eth0 I can see?
[08:28] <beezly> neofeed: they allow reverse delegation of DNS too, which is quite nice
[08:29] <notdenizen> fabbione, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-8_all.deb    <- this file ?
[08:29] <neofeed> hmm okay gotta check that out.
[08:29] <froust> zot: what do you want to see?
[08:29] <gusto> auto eth0
[08:29] <gusto> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[08:29] <Zotnix> Ah... that is what is wrong.
[08:29] <Zotnix> Thanks ;)
[08:30] <parazoid> bob2, thanks :)
[08:32] <neofeed> beezly, what do they filter?
[08:32] <beezly> neofeed: nothing as far as I know
[08:32] <cutterjohn> bob2: you know out of curiousity, I went back and looked over bug 1940(hal/dbus & ibook sleep) and the patch looks exactly like the script from the forums, which does not work for me, I had to add explicity hald kills and restarts...
[08:33] <bob2> cutterjohn: please follow up to the bug report saying that
[08:33] <cutterjohn> bob2: ok
[08:34] <cutterjohn> bob2: but I will first apply the official patch, so nobody gets annoyed when it comes out that my original failing scripts wasnt the annointed version...
[08:38] <krism> hmm. a video driver install script i need (for intel 855GM) keeps complaining that /lib/modules/2.6.8.1/build doesn't exist
[08:38] <krism> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1/ does, but there is no build directory in there.
[08:40] <bob2> er
[08:40] <bob2> ubuntu includes drivers for 855 cards
[08:41] <krism> ah, yes it does. the root of the problem is that the res wont go above 1024x768,
[08:41] <krism> so i figured maybe the intel drivers would work.
[08:41] <bob2> widescreen?
[08:41] <krism> yes, i normally run at 1280x768
[08:42] <bob2> right
[08:42] <Skwid_> what about d865gbf ?
[08:42] <bob2> there's some workaround for that, but I forget it
[08:42] <parazoid> bob2, I still have a problem
[08:42] <krism> lol :)
[08:42] <bob2> iirc the problem is that some hardware lies about what reses it supports
[08:43] <krism> googling now, thanks
[08:45] <joefso> hello
[08:45] <fabbione> eh?
[08:45] <fabbione> ops
[08:45] <krism> bob2: found a description http://www.leog.net/fujp_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5371 , but the listed patch is 404 :-D
[08:45] <parazoid> bob2, 'sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows' opened the drive, but it was only readable.
[08:46] <joefso> bob2: hi, you sugested me to add the modules to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[08:46] <joefso> bob2: but those modules get loaded anyway
[08:46] <bob2> parazoid: yes, add '-o umask=002' like I put in the fstab line I showed you
[08:46] <bob2> joefso: ok
[08:47] <bob2> joefso: it's in the faq, iirc
[08:47] <benkong2> anyone tried to install nvu?
[08:48] <Quest-Master> No, it looks pretty cool though, benkong2
[08:48] <Quest-Master> :)
[08:48] <Quest-Master> It's pretty easy to install though
[08:48] <benkong2> I got it installed but get an error when executing
[08:48] <Quest-Master> What was it?
[08:49] <benkong2> here it is /opt/nvu-0.70/nvu-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2 .so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:49] <Quest-Master>  $ sudo apt-get install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
[08:49] <Quest-Master> :)
[08:49] <benkong2> Quest-Master, ok thanks
[08:49] <Quest-Master> No problem.
[08:51] <parazoid> bob2, pfeew! It works now - just thought i lost the files. Thanks alot :)
[08:51] <benkong2> Quest-Master, my net project is to set up a home email server any good reference on the web. Using something like fetchmail to get from ISP and cyrus or some other thing to have a personal IMAP server
[08:53] <re-mind> what do i gain from installing 64-bit from installing non64-bit.. speed? or just being able to control more ram?
[08:53] <bob2> both
[08:53] <froust> re-mind: it's a 64 bit OS vs a 32bit os
[08:54] <froust> it can theoretically do things 2x fast
[08:54] <bob2> no it can\t
[08:55] <re-mind> but it is more than just being able to control more ram then?
[08:55] <benkong2> Quest-Master, any thoughts
[08:55] <bob2> 64-bit amd64 is also apparently a fair bit faster than the equivalent 32-bit code
[08:55] <froust> ahh... you're talking 32 bit software performance over 64
[08:56] <benkong2> will debian instructions found on google for a home email server work for ubuntu?
[08:56] <bob2> probably
[08:57] <cutterjohn> well, here goes nothing...
[08:57] <cutterjohn> brb
[08:57] <bob2> froust: a 64-bit OS is in no way theoretically twice as fast
[08:57] <froust> twice the data path == it can do more, ja?
[08:57] <mz2> benkong2, yup
[08:57] <benkong2> mz2, thanks off to GIMP
[08:57] <bob2> maybe if all you're doing is operations on 64-bit integers
[08:58] <benkong2> This ubuntu is really kool :-}
[08:58] <bob2> in general 64-bit code is slower than the equivalent 32-bit code
[08:58] <froust> hence the theoretical
[08:58] <froust> how so?
[08:58] <noda> fglrx-driver won't work with X.org, right?
[08:58] <bob2> on risc at least you double the size of each instruction
[08:58] <bob2> so your cache is ~half as useful
[08:59] <nufan> OK, I really sort of need to get TeamSpeak installed by tommorrpw
[08:59] <bob2> 'need'?
[08:59] <nufan> So, I just need to know: Is it possible with PPC Ubuntu?
[08:59] <nufan> Well, yeah.
[08:59] <benkong2> froust, I can tell you that I just built an amd64 running gentoo with 1 gig ram and it compiles much faster.
[08:59] <bob2> isn't it a thing for letting you talk to people you're playing games with?
[08:59] <mz2> noda, it will, with a bit of fiddling
[08:59] <nufan> Yup.
[08:59] <bob2> isn't it binary-only?
[09:00] <nufan> And I have a sort of... gathering which I need to speak to people there.
[09:00] <mz2> but the current dri driver is getting actually quite good, if you're not running one of those best, newest models :)
[09:00] <nufan> bob2: It has an installer that doesn't work and a manual install that I can't get to work.
[09:00] <froust> benkong: i'm using amd64 ubuntu
[09:00] <halkeye> whats the best way of detecting monitor settings?
[09:00] <bob2> nufan: then probably not
[09:00] <bob2> halkeye: let ubuntu do it for you
[09:01] <halkeye> yea
[09:01] <halkeye> post isntall
[09:01] <halkeye> there has to be the tool it used lying around somewhere
[09:01] <bob2> amd64 ends up being faster in 64-bit mode because you get more registers
[09:01] <bob2> halkeye: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:01] <benkong2> I have seen quite a few posts in the forum on the FATAL shpchp and pciehp boot messages but no real solutions. Anyone here know how to get rid of them?
[09:01] <froust> or xserver-xorg
[09:01] <froust> if you're using xorg
[09:01] <noda> mz2: I'm on a mobile thing... I'd like to be able to put drop-shadows, but they're too slow with the DRI driver (unless it's improving quickly)
[09:01] <halkeye> cool
[09:01] <bob2> benkong2: ignore them
[09:01] <benkong2> froust, I put ubuntu on my amd 1800
[09:01] <noda> mz2: Is there a URL somewhere which describes that "fiddling"? I'm not going to bother if I'm treading uncharted territory :)
[09:02] <bob2> benkong2: and it's in the FAQ, add the modules to /etc/hotplug/blacklists
[09:02] <bob2> er, no final s
[09:02] <benkong2> bob2, that basically was the answer I got from the web search
[09:02] <mz2> noda, ah... well, don't bother with the fglrx driver anyways because the composite extension's damn slow with it
[09:02] <mz2> and unstable
[09:02] <noda> mz2: Faster with DRI?
[09:02] <bob2> unlike composite in general ;-)
[09:02] <mz2> noda, wouldn't really know, i actually haven't tried with dri at all
[09:03] <noda> Hrm. So basically, drop-shadows aren't gonna happen? :)
[09:03] <mz2> i'd presume it is faster on the fglrx anyways, but still, it's not going to be pleasant, i at least managed to crash X on my laptop's radeon 9000 several times with the composite extension on
[09:04] <benjanet> hi, im not geting X on Hoary, any advice
[09:04] <randabis> check xorg.conf
[09:04] <mz2> but yes, the fiddling instructions should be somewhere on the net, it was some sort of patch you had to run
[09:05] <noda> mz2: That's too hardcore for the amount I actually care about getting it working :)
[09:05] <noda> Actually, these drop-shadows *do* seem to be rather quick.
[09:05] <noda> They were slower before, I swear :)
[09:05] <benkong2> bob2, in the FAQ...looking
[09:05] <benjanet> randabis, it seems its using XFConfig-4
[09:06] <noda> Now, if only Debian had xorg, so I could have windows fading in/out on my desktop.
[09:06] <randabis> that's bad
[09:06] <noda> (fade in/out is too slow on the laptop)
[09:06] <mz2> noda, well exactly... just wait for a few months to let first of all ATi release drivers for X.org, then a few months that the composite extension starts to work stably and then a few until window managers can take some use of it sensibly :)
[09:06] <randabis> maybe your dist-upgrade didn't finish completely
[09:06] <benjanet> ok
[09:06] <noda> mz2: lol
[09:07] <echo> I need some help with NFS server settings - I can mount local , that is on same machine but not from other machnine the ubuntu nfs-kernel-service
[09:07] <benjanet> randabis, should i do a dist-upgrade again ?
[09:07] <noda> Ah well, back to my Epiphany adblock extension then :)
[09:08] <echo> does anybody know what nfs-error ,  RPC 15 program not regiestered means ?
[09:09] <randabis> couldn't hurt
[09:13] <toxickore> hello.....
[09:14] <toxickore> i have a little question... i've installed apache with apt.... and then i removed it... but now even ehen apache is uninstalled apache stills trying to shutdown the service anda trying to start it at init... how can i fix that?
[09:16] <echo> toxickore - debian services are not the strongest part , try   "dpkg --purge   " and look at man update-rc.d if still persist
[09:17] <toxickore> echo: okay
[09:21] <toxickore> echo: the only last message is: dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove apache wich isn't installed
[09:21] <toxickore> echo: dpkg - warning: while removing apache, directory 'etc/apache' not empty so not removed
[09:22] <echo> well you modified some files in etc , it ok warnin , check if your problem OK , that is  "init" does not want to restart service
[09:22] <toxickore> i'll reboot the computer to see if is not trying to start again
[09:23] <echo> yep do so bye
[09:23] <toxickore> echo: nice.... it's ok now...
[09:23] <toxickore> echo: thank u
[09:24] <echo> have a nice day on planet earth :-)
[09:25] <MikeyF> hello can anyone help me?
[09:25] <MikeyF> I have a problem with Ubuntu :(
[09:26] <MikeyF> is anyone here
[09:26] <froust> Can anyone help me set up rhythmbox to play mp3's?
[09:26] <benjanet> how do i reconfigure Xorg
[09:27] <froust> benjanet, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:27] <benjanet> froust, thanks
[09:27] <mz2> froust, you need the gstreamer plugin for mp3 decoding
[09:27] <froust> gotcha
[09:27] <MikeyF> I have installed Ubuntu, everything went ok but when I try to login, I can type in the login name and pwd as many times as i want, but it won't log me in
[09:28] <froust> what's the package name?
[09:28] <froust> mikey: is cap's lock on?
[09:28] <Skwid_> MikeAFK: num lock ?
[09:28] <Skwid_> oops
[09:28] <mz2> MikeyF, does it just tell you wrong password or some other error msg?
[09:28] <Skwid_> MikeyF: num lock ?
[09:29] <MikeyF> caps lock off, num lock on
[09:29] <froust> mz2: what's the gstreamer package called?
[09:29] <MikeyF> it didn't tell me anything
[09:29] <mz2> gstreamer0.8-mad , mad as in MPEG audio decoder
[09:30] <MikeyF> it just continues asking for login and pwd
[09:30] <froust> so just apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad?
[09:30] <mz2> froust, exactly
[09:31] <froust> excellent.. was having problems cause synaptic was open
[09:31] <froust> thanks :)
[09:32] <MikeyF> :(:(
[09:33] <MikeyF> does anyone know? :(
[09:35] <MikeyF> :'( :'(
[09:37] <MikeyF> damn where is everyone
[09:37] <MikeyF> hundred of ppl here and noone knows? thanks
[09:37] <Arkainium> know what?
[09:39] <MikeyF> Arkanium: I have written my problem above. I have installed Ubuntu, everything went ok but when I try to login, I can type in the login name and pwd as many times as i want, but it won't log me in. num lock was on, caps lock off.
[09:39] <noda> MikeyF: And there's no warning or error?
[09:39] <MikeyF> no error messages or anything like that
[09:39] <MikeyF> just asked on and on
[09:39] <noda> MikeyF: You're logging in on the big, sepia-coloured graphic with a little text box in the middle?
[09:40] <MikeyF> I have reinstalled it as well, and it does the same
[09:40] <MikeyF> yes in that one
[09:40] <noda> MikeyF: So it says "Enter your username" and you do, then it says "Enter your password" and you do, then it goes back to "Enter your username"?
[09:40] <MikeyF> yes
[09:40] <MikeyF> exatly
[09:41] <hikaru79> Is there a plug-in or something for KDevelop that gives it Java support?
[09:41] <MikeyF> noda: any clue?
[09:41] <noda> MikeyF: And it doesn't give you any warning about wrong username? Does it wait a second after you enter your password before it asks for your username?
[09:42] <noda> MikeyF: Press Ctrl-Alt-F1 and try to log in there. What happens?
[09:42] <MikeyF> noda: as I have said, no warning. it doesn't even wait
[09:42] <noda> MikeyF: You on Hoary or Warty?
[09:43] <MikeyF> noda: I don't understand
[09:43] <_Stefan_> have you tried login in as root?
[09:43] <mz2> is that both in the terminal and in GDM?
[09:43] <noda> MikeyF: Probably warty then (I was asking which version of Ubuntu you've got :P)
[09:43] <MikeyF> I am new to linux, I don't know special terms :$
[09:43] <noda> MikeyF: You installed off a CD?
[09:43] <MikeyF> yes
[09:43] <noda> Okay, the version is Warty then :)
[09:44] <noda> MikeyF: So, when you press Ctrl-Alt-F1 and try to log in, what happens?
[09:44] <MikeyF> I don't know, I would have to restart first
[09:44] <_Stefan_> wait
[09:44] <noda> MikeyF: Why?
[09:44] <noda> Oh, you're in Windows now?
[09:44] <MikeyF> yes
[09:44] <_Stefan_> try with username: root
[09:44] <noda> _Stefan_: It's impossible to log in as root -- root doesn't have a password by default...
[09:44] <_Stefan_> and the same password as your account
[09:45] <froust> mikey: try ctrl+alt+f1, that should dump you to a root console
[09:45] <noda> froust: No it won't :)
[09:45] <froust> it doesn't in ubuntu?
[09:45] <noda> froust: It dumps you to a console, but not a root console. I've never heard of a distro which would do that.
[09:45] <froust> sorry: i stand corrected
[09:45] <froust> noda: fc2
[09:45] <_Stefan_> isnt it the same passsword as your account?
[09:45] <noda> froust: Didn't know that
[09:45] <jpedrosa> how can I check if I'm using XFree or XOrg, if both are installed
[09:45] <benjanet> when i start X i only get the mouse on a gray screen, any advice ?
[09:45] <noda> _Stefan_: No, root has no password by default.
[09:46] <_Stefan_> mm ok
[09:46] <noda> benjanet: How are you starting X?
[09:46] <benjanet> noda, "startx"
[09:46] <tritium> noda, if you want to set a root passwd "sudo passwd root"
[09:46] <noda> benjanet: Start it by running /etc/init.d/gdm start
[09:46] <benjanet> noda, i just upgraded to hoary
[09:46] <tritium> sudo will ask for you user password
[09:46] <froust> noda: i'm wrong... i was thinking modifying your boot options in grub
[09:46] <noda> tritium: I'm well aware of this. I have no desire to set a root password, no need for it :)
[09:47] <noda> froust: Ah :)
[09:47] <tritium> okay
[09:47] <froust> you can do that to get you to a root console
[09:47] <froust> sorry
[09:47] <MikeyF> I'm lost :$
[09:47] <noda> MikeyF: Okay, basically, don't listen to those guys :P
[09:47] <MikeyF> :9
[09:47] <MikeyF> :(
[09:47] <noda> MikeyF: You'll have to reboot, press Ctrl-Alt-F1, try to log in. And write down the exact message you get. Then come back and talk to us :)
[09:47] <noda> MikeyF: Actually...
[09:48] <noda> Better instructions:
[09:48] <froust> mikey: ignore me completely
[09:48] <noda> Reboot, and try to log in in the graphical screen (i.e., reproduce the problem you've described already)
[09:48] <noda> THEN press Ctrl-Alt-F1 and try to log in there.
[09:48] <jamin_l> hey guys....
[09:48] <noda> If it works, we can try to get some debugging info... :)
[09:48] <jamin_l> i was a bit of a moron and forgot to write down the commands for manually mounting my iPod
[09:49] <jamin_l> does anyone know this?
[09:49] <noda> MikeyF: Hold on a sec, I'll try and figure out the files to check :)
[09:49] <MikeyF> okay noda, thanks
[09:49] <MikeyF> oh
[09:49] <MikeyF> ok
[09:50] <sanzky> hi, Im new at ubuntu, whats the package name for installing the kernel sources_
[09:50] <noda> MikeyF: If you can log in on the text console, type "tail /var/log/auth.log and try to recognize the previous, failed login.
[09:50] <crimsun> sanzky: linux-source-2.6.8.1
[09:50] <noda> MikeyF: Also, tail /var/log/messages, and if you see anything that seems to be related to your failed login attempt, make a note of it
[09:50] <jpedrosa> when is another update of XOrg scheduled. I need a new version of XOrg which fixes a keyboard problem that I'm having on hoary
[09:51] <sanzky> thanks crimsun
[09:51] <crimsun> sanzky: though if you want to compile external kernel modules, you want linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[09:51] <carambol> sudo apt-get install linux
[09:51] <sanzky> i need ndiswrapper
[09:51] <crimsun> that's included iirc
[09:51] <sanzky> the headers are enough 
[09:51] <sanzky> ?
[09:51] <MikeyF> noda, thanks - im gonna try
[09:51] <MikeyF> :)
[09:51] <noda> MikeyF: Good luck :)
[09:51] <crimsun> sanzky: check the wiki for ndiswrapper notes
[09:53] <froust> is there a hotkey to switch between workspaces?
[09:53] <noda> froust: Ctrl-Alt-[left/right/up/down] 
[09:53] <bob2> you can bind a key to each one if you like
[09:53] <noda> But you can set all your bindings in the "Keyboard Shortcuts" dialog
[09:54] <froust> thank you :)
[09:55] <benjanet> when i start X i only get the mouse on a gray screen, any advice ?
[09:56] <sanzky> what do i have to change so synaptic ask for root password instead of my user's password?
[09:56] <jamin_l> mounting iPod manually? command... anyone?
[09:56] <tritium> Has anyone tried enabling suspend to RAM or disk with a Dell C840 yet?
[09:56] <noda> benjanet: You're using /etc/init.d/gdm start?
[09:56] <benjanet> noda, im starting from console with "startx" on hoary
[09:57] <KeRnEl-PaNiC> Hi All , I need some help concerning ADSL configuration
[09:57] <sanzky> jamin_l : i havent used an ipod but i guess is mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/ipod
[09:57] <noda> benjanet: Well, start it by typing "/etc/init.d/gdm start" then :P
[09:57] <Tomcat_> tritium: Check the PMTesting Wikipage
[09:58] <tritium> Tomcat_, I did.  Nobody's reported so yet.
[09:58] <Tomcat_> tritium: It contains a Warty kernel + some better ACPI scripts to make suspend to ram and disk possible... not sure if it works on the Dell C840 though.
[09:58] <jamin_l> it doesn't know where sda1 is
[09:58] <Tomcat_> Ah... okay.
[09:58] <tritium> Tomcat_, mjg59 posted this yesterday: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM
[09:59] <benjanet> noda, i execute that, and noting happens
[09:59] <noda> benjanet: Do /etc/init.d/gdm stop first then
[09:59] <KeRnEl-PaNiC> plz can i have some help or an url concerning how i can configure my Speedtouch Alcatel ADSL modem
[09:59] <noda> Holy crap, irssi rocks :P
[09:59] <sanzky> jamin_l : add /dev/sda1 to your /etc/fstab
[10:00] <jamin_l> there is no sda1
[10:00] <jamin_l> er so /dev/sda1
[10:00] <jamin_l> that doesn't exist
[10:00] <sanzky> in my case i havent sda1 until i connect something to the usb
[10:01] <jamin_l> i'm using firewire to connect
[10:01] <jamin_l> both ends are connected properly
[10:01] <KeRnEl-PaNiC> yes sanzky , i got it to
[10:01] <jamin_l> and iPod is just charging itself
[10:01] <sanzky> oh, didnt knew ipod used firewire
[10:02] <stuNNed> hi all
[10:03] <benjanet> noda, nothing happened :(
[10:03] <noda> benjanet: You didn't even get an error message?
[10:03] <noda> benjanet: What happens if you press Ctrl-Alt-F7?
[10:04] <benjanet> noda, no errors
[10:04] <benjanet> if i do Ctrl ALT F7 i see a grey screen and mouse cursor
[10:04] <noda> benjanet: You *did* stop X before you tried that gdm start, right?
[10:05] <noda> benjanet: Press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace in there, *then* start gdm?
[10:05] <noda> (that is, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, then /etc/init.d/gdm stop, then /etc/init.d/gdm start)
[10:06] <benjanet> noda, nothing happens, no errors, just returns to prompt
[10:06] <noda> benjanet: What's in /var/log/gdm/:0.log?
[10:06] <noda> benjanet: And if it's not that big a deal... you could probably just reboot.
[10:07] <noda> benjanet: Maybe try apt-get install ubuntu-desktop -- maybe you didn't upgrade all the packages properly, that should resolve any problems.
[10:07] <brk3> hi, has anyone here compiled muine music player?
[10:07] <noda> brk3: I just installed it with apt :)
[10:08] <noda> brk3: I have compiled it in the past, though, yes. Why? :)
[10:09] <Mikey> noda: im worried i wasnt even allowed to type "tail /var.... etc" after ctrl+alt+f1
[10:09] <Mikey> it still wanted the pwd
[10:09] <noda> Mikey: It kept asking for the password again and again?
[10:09] <brk3> noda: well you see, i have mono installed from source, its too big to get with apt for my dialup. so im trying to compile muine from source. its asking me for gdk-pixbuf which i dont mind installing with apt, but there only seems to be a version that depends on gtk1.2. i dont want to have to install an old version of gtk. is there no 2.0 gdk pixbuf?
[10:10] <brk3> (if anyone else knows the answer too please shout!)
[10:10] <noda> brk3: I'm not sure, but it may be a part of libgtk2.0-dev
[10:10] <Mikey> noda: yes. and I was wrong - it waited a second-two
[10:10] <brk3> noda: thanks il check that
[10:11] <benjanet> noda, its downloading ubuntu-desktop now
[10:11] <noda> brk3: I'd strongly recommend you use apt-get to install the whole thing. There's a lot of dev stuff to install if you want to compile manually.
[10:11] <sanzky> is xorg in ubuntu's official packages ?
[10:11] <tritium> sanzky, for Hoary
[10:11] <stuNNed> can klik be used with ubuntu?
[10:11] <noda> Mikey: It really sounds like you're putting in the wrong password... :)
[10:11] <brk3> noda: i would if it didnt go trying to install mono, which i already have and is too big to download
[10:12] <sanzky> Hoary is the codename for what version ?
[10:12] <Mikey> noda: i must be idiot then. I have reinstalled ubuntu because of this
[10:12] <noda> Mikey: That's pretty funny, really. You should choose an easier password.
[10:12] <froust> sanzky: what do you mean?
[10:12] <noda> Mikey: For future reference: reinstalling is something you should never really have to do with Ubuntu.
[10:12] <froust> like stable/unstable/testing etc?
[10:13] <noda> Mikey: It makes sense on Windows because of adware/spyware, but Linux doesn't have those problems, and everything can be solved without reinstalling :)
[10:13] <tritium> sanzky, you can consider it like debian unstable.  It will be ubuntu's next stable release around April or so.
[10:13] <Mikey> noda: is there a way how to add a new user then? with a new password? :)
[10:13] <noda> Mikey: I'll find you a nice guide :)
[10:14] <Mikey> noda: thanks :)
[10:16] <noda> I don't believe this... Ubuntu's web page has nothing about what to do if you forgot your password?
[10:16] <spiral> Riddell: I don't know if I told you it enough : Thanks a lot ! This works nice, now :-)
[10:16] <__learner__> can you tell me a good cd burning program for ubuntu?
[10:16] <noda> __learner__: Just pop in a recordable CD and it'll bring up a window into which you can drag/drop files to burn.
[10:17] <__learner__> I would like a gnome one. I tried Ksomething and it didn't worked.
[10:17] <sanzky> i've got 4.10
[10:17] <sanzky> i want to change to xorg
[10:17] <spiral> noda: live cd & chroot should do the trick
[10:17] <sanzky> thanks tritium
[10:17] <__learner__> it didn't happened here.
[10:17] <sanzky> soy I need to change to unestable mi sources.list to get xorg?
[10:17] <noda> spiral: Yes, but for regular users...
[10:17] <tritium> I'd boot into single user mode
[10:17] <Mikey> noda: it isn't?
[10:17] <tritium> and then change the user's password
[10:17] <spiral> noda: bah... regular users don't lose their passwords because their password is "foo"
[10:17] <noda> __learner__: Go to Places -> CD Creator
[10:17] <noda> From any folder
[10:18] <noda> Mikey: It's very easy for people who know what they're doing, but I don't think it's that easy for others.
[10:19] <tritium> Mikey, reboot and choose one of the boot stanzas that says "recovery mode"
[10:19] <tritium> then you can change the user's password
[10:19] <noda> Mikey: The best way, I think: from your *boot* menu, edit the kernel commandline ("e"): append "init=/bin/bash", then press B to boot. When it's booted, type "passwd [user] " and enter a new password.
[10:19] <spiral> noda: on windows, unless you create a password recovery floppy, it is even harder...
[10:20] <noda> spiral: Tell me about it. There are Linux recovery CDs that can help, though, ironically :)
[10:20] <spiral> noda: lol
[10:20] <thechris1721> how do you change the file save/load dialogs in gnome?
[10:20] <noda> thechris1721: You... erm... rewrite the GTK file dialog code?
[10:20] <noda> thechris1721: What do you want to change about them?
[10:21] <thechris1721> noda: i like the 2.4 ones much better
[10:21] <tritium> Mikey, you're using grub, right?  You've seen the option to boot into "recovery mode"?
[10:21] <thechris1721> noda:  the news ones are too confusing
[10:21] <noda> thechris1721: GNOME 2.4, or GTK 2.4?
[10:21] <Riddell> spiral: glad you're happy :)  my upload of amarok to the ubuntu build daemons managed to break them completely in strange and mysterious ways
[10:21] <thechris1721> noda:  ones from gnome 2.4
[10:21] <noda> thechris1721: HUH? You liked those two-pane garbage thingies? :P
[10:21] <Mikey> noda: ill try my best
[10:21] <noda> thechris1721: Wow. I've never heard anyone say that before :P
[10:21] <thechris1721> noda:  the news one is two paned too...
[10:21] <Mikey> noda: i am just worried that i dont understand clearly
[10:21] <noda> thechris1721: Press Ctrl-L to type in filenames...
[10:22] <Mikey> btw i have two more bugs
[10:22] <noda> Mikey: I know. Listen to tritium :)
[10:22] <spiral> Riddell: ouah... this is quite strange :-p
[10:22] <noda> thechris1721: There's no way to change back to the old dialogs. You must be the only person in the world to actually prefer them, though :)
[10:22] <tritium> thanks, noda :)
[10:22] <Mikey> tritium: but how to change it in that
[10:22] <stuNNed> does alsaconf work with Ubuntu ok?
[10:22] <thechris1721> i seriously doubt that
[10:23] <thechris1721> i know others who don't like it too...
[10:23] <tritium> Mikey, do you recall when you boot that you can press "Esc" to see a boot menu?
[10:23] <noda> thechris1721: Anyway, you're gonna have to live with the new ones. Set bookmarks, use Ctrl-L, and I guarantee you'll see that they're better.
[10:23] <Mikey> tritium: I don'
[10:23] <thechris1721> i don't like the "browse for other folders" part.
[10:23] <Mikey> I don't know
[10:23] <noda> thechris1721: Don't use it, then. Just use bookmarks :)
[10:24] <noda> thechris1721: The whole point is that you never need to use it, that's why it's folded away
[10:24] <tritium> Mikey, okay, no problem.  When you reboot, you'll have about 3 seconds to press "Esc"
[10:24] <Mikey> yes?
[10:24] <Mikey> but
[10:24] <thechris1721> noda:  why didn't the gnome devs put in ANYTHING for backwards compatibility?
[10:24] <noda> thechris1721: Become a dev, and then ask that.
[10:24] <tritium> Mikey, do so.  Then, you can use the arrow key to select the kernel that says "recovery mode"
[10:24] <Mikey> okay
[10:24] <thechris1721> noda:  no, i know what happens already...
[10:24] <Mikey> and then?
[10:24] <Mikey> sorry if im annoying, but im really new to it :$
[10:25] <noda> thechris1721: It comes down to this: some dev somewhere would have to believe that the old ones are worth keeping.
[10:25] <tritium> Mikey, then you'll have to boot that kernel (press B or return, I believe)
[10:25] <Mikey> return?
[10:25] <tritium> I believe so...
[10:25] <noda> thechris1721: Besides the awful UI, they had several flaws. For example, there was no way to have stuff like "files of type *.png" or similar.
[10:25] <Mikey> what is return?
[10:25] <tritium> Enter
[10:25] <Mikey> enter>
[10:25] <Mikey> lol k
[10:26] <thechris1721> noda:  but the layout was more straight forward.
[10:26] <noda> thechris1721: So a new API (backend) was implemented, and therefore the frontend would have to be rewritten from scratch again.
[10:26] <noda> thechris1721: And every GTK developer knew that the dialog was awful.
[10:26] <noda> thechris1721: So nobody is going to bother. Not only would they have to rewrite the code, but they'd also have to keep it up to date.
[10:26] <thechris1721> noda:  do you know of any patches to fix the dialogs, or at least pop them up with "browse for other folders" already clicked?
[10:27] <tritium> Mikey, when it boots, at the command prompt, use the "passwd" command to change the user's password.
[10:27] <noda> thechris1721: I don't, sorry.
[10:27] <Mikey> passwd? hmmm okay
[10:27] <noda> thechris1721: You do realize that you can put any folders you want into your "bookmarks" and they'll show up in the drop-down, right?
[10:27] <tritium> Mikey, e.g., if your user's name is "mikey", type "passwd mikey"
[10:27] <thechris1721> noda:  ok, fair enough, i guess i'll just stick with kde.
[10:28] <Mikey> tritium: that will set up a pwd "mikey" for user "mikey"?
[10:28] <noda> thechris1721: Anyway. The point is, developers will often say "if you want it done, do it yourself"... and it *can* get annoying to users... but who's going to develop something for free that he will never use -- something he'd even *dislike*?
[10:28] <tritium> Mikey, right.
[10:28] <tritium> so you can reset the passwd for the user whose passwd you forgot
[10:28] <__learner__> where is this places-> cd creator?
[10:28] <tritium> __learner__, a nautilus window
[10:29] <tritium> in the menu bar
[10:29] <__learner__> found it. tx
[10:29] <Mikey> tritium: anyway, I'm not sure if there is any user. Because, in installation, it continued asking for a new user account as well, without telling "the new account is created" or anything like that
[10:29] <thechris1721> noda:  well, the current dialogs aren't very good, i was hoping for better in 2.8
[10:29] <noda> thechris1721: How long have you used them?
[10:29] <noda> thechris1721: They are going to change very little in the next few years, because everybody loves them :)
[10:29] <tritium> Mikey, you can "ls /home" to see if there are any user home directories, and also check "/etc/passwd" for the username you tried to setup.
[10:30] <__learner__> thats nice.
[10:30] <__learner__> tx a lot.
[10:30] <tritium> :)
[10:31] <Mikey> tritium: :) and if there's no user, is there a way how to create one?
[10:31] <thechris1721> noda:  i tried for a week.
[10:31] <tritium> noda, without Ctrl-L, though, I would dislike the dialogues.
[10:31] <noda> thechris1721: What did you find annoying? Maybe there are tricks you haven't noticed.
[10:31] <thechris1721> noda:  everytime i had to save a file it literally took 30 seconds because of the shock
[10:31] <noda> tritium: Yeah, me too, because I like to navitage using keyboard.
[10:31] <tritium> I like to type in the filename, and use completion.
[10:31] <tritium> exactly!
[10:32] <tritium> I'm not a mouser.
[10:32] <thechris1721> noda:  there is no file tree or any real way to navigate the file system
[10:32] <tritium> Mikey, there are text-based ways, and graphical ways.  Are you able to get into X?
[10:32] <tritium> Or do we need to use the text commands?
[10:32] <noda> thechris1721: Where do you need to navigate?
[10:32] <thechris1721> noda:  unless you pop up the HUGE and confusing interface.
[10:33] <thechris1721> noda:  sometimes /etc/ sometimes to various project paths
[10:33] <Mikey> tritium: I know nothing about this stuff :$
[10:33] <__learner__> isnt there any program like nero?
[10:33] <noda> thechris1721: Ctrl-L. /etc. Enter.
[10:33] <noda> thechris1721: As for project paths... you can bookmark the ones you need :)
[10:33] <lightcap> has anyone successfully used the installation partitioner to make a RAID Device and use LVM on top of it?
[10:33] <__learner__> I burned the cd, tx a lot. but what if I need an audio CD?
[10:34] <thechris1721> noda:  they could at least fix the GUI then...
[10:34] <Mikey> tritium: may be I should have read some manuals first, but I don't like doing that
[10:34] <noda> thechris1721: Fix it? They (and I) consider it the least sucky possible.
[10:34] <spiral> __learner__: k3b is quite good for cd burning
[10:34] <noda> thechris1721: It's certainly easier to use than Windows's and KDE's.
[10:34] <tritium> Mikey, do you have a graphical environment, or not?
[10:34] <mindphasr> Someone give me a paste site i can paste a log too..
[10:34] <__learner__> K3B didin't worked here.
[10:34] <__learner__> and I aldo don't have KDE.
[10:34] <spiral> __learner__: arf... sorry
[10:34] <noda> thechris1721: And you're making the same mistake again. You're thinking "they" is a big group of people who have nothing better to do than make you happy.
[10:35] <__learner__> sorry, no man. You just wanted to help.
[10:35] <Mikey> tritium: how could I know that - I have just installed ubuntu from the cd i got
[10:35] <spiral> __learner__: :-)
[10:35] <thechris1721> noda:  no, i really think that more people would use gnome if it were more useable.
[10:35] <tritium> Mikey, nevermind.  We'll go with the command-line tools.
[10:35] <noda> thechris1721: That's precisely why the new dialogs are there. They have indeed drawn many more people to GNOME.
[10:35] <thechris1721> noda:  like if i couldn't remove spatial browsing i would NEVER concider gnome.
[10:36] <Mikey> tritium: okay :) (sorry I feel stupid I don't know much about it yet)
[10:36] <noda> thechris1721: That's your choice. But spatial browsing is more efficient for the majority of users.
[10:36] <thechris1721> noda:  and yet it was made the default and the option to change it hidden -- all in one release
[10:36] <tritium> Mikey, no worries.
[10:36] <spiral> thechris1721: yeah, I hate this mode too
[10:36] <noda> thechris1721: You have to remember, not everybody uses a computer the same way you do.
[10:37] <thechris1721> noda:  yes, it should be an _option_.
[10:37] <noda> thechris1721: It is :)
[10:37] <spiral> noda: yeah, as in windows, you fire regedit & change a 0 by a 1...
[10:37] <thechris1721> noda:  not forced on me.  and the option to revert was HIDDEN!
[10:37] <spiral> hmmm... sorry, gconf-editor...
[10:37] <spiral> I mistaked :-p
[10:37] <noda> thechris1721: As for the file dialogs: NOBODY liked the old ones. They sucked, both technically and in terms of usability. So nobody's going to bother keeping that code working.
[10:37] <Mikey> tritium: so I should try the pwd reset first, rite? okay
[10:38] <noda> thechris1721: In Ubuntu it's a visible option :)
[10:38] <Mikey> there's one more bug I have tho
[10:38] <thechris1721> noda:  ok, well thats why i'm looking to install kde, fluxbox
[10:38] <froust> anyone know how i can make icons for my cdrom and usb drive show up on the desktop when they're mounted?
[10:38] <tritium> Mikey, what is it?
[10:38] <Mikey> *Starting hotplug subsystem  ----- it's waiting too long and usually it doesn't start
[10:38] <noda> froust: You should be able to just plug them in.
[10:38] <lightcap> how do I create an LVM Physical Volume on a RAID device?  the installation partitioner won't seem to let me.
[10:38] <froust> noda: they do automount, but i want to make it so icons show up on the desktop
[10:39] <noda> froust: They're supposed to do that, too. I dunno :)
[10:39] <froust> damn.
[10:39] <thechris1721> noda:  because gnome has been too buggy, too rapid changing, and had a UI that will not ever be made to work for me as opposed to against me
[10:39] <tritium> Mikey, anyway, to add a user at the command line, use "useradd <username>"
[10:39] <tritium> It's interactive
[10:39] <tritium> It'll ask you a few questions.
[10:39] <thechris1721> well, i gotta go eat now...
[10:39] <noda> thechris1721: Okay. You're apparently not the target audience for GNOME.
[10:40] <noda> MajorPayne: Most people on this channel much prefer GNOME ;)
[10:40] <Mikey> tritium: okay
[10:41] <tritium> Mikey, I hope you've been taking notes ;)
[10:41] <noda> I'd suggest that people who don't like GNOME shouldn't really be installing Ubuntu at all, since it is not directed at them.
[10:41] <Mikey> tritium: I have :)
[10:41] <tritium> good deal!
[10:41] <MajorPayne> noda: I find KDE is just to fancy, GNOME is just perfect, not too much, not too little
[10:41] <noda> MajorPayne: 'xactly. Now then, the critical question: which web browser do you use? :)
[10:41] <tritium> Mikey, that hotplug issue we'll have to explore more later.
[10:41] <MajorPayne> noda: Firefox
[10:41] <Quest-Master> Guys
[10:41] <Mikey> tritium: hmmm okay
[10:42] <noda> MajorPayne: Wrong answer. I hate you. :P
[10:42] <Quest-Master> My friend has a Softmodem
[10:42] <tritium> I have some work to do, so I don't think I can help on that, at least not now.
[10:42] <MajorPayne> noda: you suck
[10:42] <noda> lol
[10:42] <Quest-Master> Like, a modem through software
[10:42] <bubbanga> questions is there a ubuntu package for phpbb2.11 yet?
[10:42] <Quest-Master> He doesn't have a real hardware modem
[10:42] <MajorPayne> noda: what do you use?
[10:42] <Quest-Master> Is it possible for him to connect to the internet?
[10:42] <noda> MajorPayne: Have you tried out Epiphany?
[10:42] <Quest-Master> Somehow?
[10:42] <Quest-Master> I've heard PPP can do something
[10:42] <froust> LOL
[10:42] <froust> i had nautilus crash
[10:42] <MajorPayne> noda: No, I haven't realy heard about it
[10:42] <scaroo> hi ppl ! since a recent dist-upgrade, my ipw2100 wireless chip isn't recognized anymore, have the kernel module and the firmware been removed in 2.6.10?
[10:42] <froust> so i was reporting it with bug buddy
[10:42] <froust> which then crashed
[10:43] <Mikey> tritium: thanks much, i am gonna try it now :)
[10:43] <noda> MajorPayne: It comes on the Ubuntu CD but isn't installed by default because Firefox has a bigger name :(
[10:43] <noda> scaroo: Install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10
[10:43] <tritium> Mikey, you're welcome.  I'll stick around for a little while longer in case you check back in.
[10:43] <MajorPayne> noda: I didn't realy care what is on by default, I get what I want anyway
[10:43] <Mikey> tritium: okay
[10:43] <scaroo> noda, i would, but without network connection, it is quite hard ... :(
[10:44] <noda> MajorPayne: Epiphany is a bit easier to use than Firefox, I find. And it looks closer to GNOME. But it doesn't have the nifty Find bar (unless you install an extension)
[10:44] <noda> scaroo: You can boot into your old kernel to install it.
[10:44] <Quest-Master> Epiphany is faster as well
[10:44] <Quest-Master> Have you guys tried Galeon?
[10:44] <noda> scaroo: Press ESC while booting.
[10:44] <noda> Quest-Master: Yep
[10:44] <MajorPayne> noda: Ohh, I think another reason I use firefox is because I switch between windows and Linux boxes a lot, and I have firefox on all of them
[10:44] <noda> MajorPayne: That's a very good reason :)
[10:45] <Quest-Master> Do you guys like Galeon whatsoever?
[10:45] <scaroo> noda, yes that sure, dunno where was my mind ;) thank you !
[10:45] <Quest-Master> I'm considering trying it
[10:45] <noda> Quest-Master: I like it insofar as it gives me some ideas for Epiphany extensions :P
[10:45] <hacim> how come there aren't bittorrent links for warty?
[10:45] <hacim> Quest-Master: I love galeon
[10:45] <noda> Quest-Master: If Galeon weren't there, I never would have written the Error Viewer extension, for instance :)
[10:45] <MajorPayne> noda: You work on Epiphany?
[10:45] <hacim> Quest-Master: i find it better than firefox
[10:45] <noda> MajorPayne: Yeah, mostly on extensions
[10:45] <tritium> there is mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[10:45] <hacim> Quest-Master: for one good reason -- it saves my tabs on crashes
[10:45] <Quest-Master> Hm
[10:45] <Quest-Master> lol
[10:46] <hacim> Quest-Master: where firefox tab extentions supposedly does that, it fails
[10:46] <noda> I'm making an adblock extension now.
[10:46] <Quest-Master> I'll have to try Galeon and Epiphany then
[10:46] <noda> It'll put Firefox's to shame -- much easier, and blocks most ads.
[10:46] <hacim> noda: extentions to galeon?
[10:46] <noda> hacim: Galeon doesn't support extensions. Only Epiphany does.
[10:46] <hacim> noda: epiphany is galeon-ng right?
[10:46] <noda> hacim: No, it's a fork.
[10:47] <hacim> hmm, whats the differences?
[10:47] <noda> hacim: Marco was getting fed up with the flamefests on Galeon, so he forked it and worked on a HIG-compliant browser.
[10:47] <MajorPayne> eitherway, atleast it's not IE
[10:47] <noda> hacim: Epiphany has HIG compliance. Galeon has a lot of menu entries that do fun things :)
[10:47] <calc> it seems to be using ~ 500MB of ram on my box :\
[10:48] <lightcap> isn't the correct way to set up raid with lvm the following: create RAID partitions -> create Raid devices -> create LVM Physical Volumes -> create LVM Volume Groups -> create LVM logical volume
[10:48] <noda> hacim: However, the great compromise: Epiphany *with extensions* has HIG compliance *and* a bunch of menu entries that do fun things :)
[10:48] <sladen> noda: and Firefox has mindshare(tm)
[10:48] <hacim> noda: ok, HIG compliance, extentions, no cool menus to search for debian packages/freshmeat etc.
[10:48] <lightcap> or does the installer want it done a different way???
[10:48] <tritium> my firefox is using 114 MB
[10:48] <noda> hacim: Actually, Epiphany has a different bookmarks system. There's no hierarchy -- only "topics". A bookmark can have multiple topics.
[10:48] <tritium> and evolution 98 MB
[10:48] <noda> hacim: Yes, you can do that.
[10:48] <hacim> noda: cool, i'll give it a shot
[10:49] <hacim> noda: where are extentions?
[10:49] <lightcap> noda that way makes more more sense...more like del.icio.us
[10:49] <noda> hacim: The "smart bookmarks"... they don't have icons like Galeon's do, but they still work :)
[10:49] <noda> hacim: apt-get install epiphany-extensions
[10:49] <noda> Enjoy the Error Viewer extension, it's my favourite -- it lets you do HTML validation without going to validator.w3.org :)
[10:50] <hacim> noda: getting now, thanks :)
[10:50] <hacim> noda: it doesn't seem like epiphany takes my middle button paste in the window like galeon does
[10:50] <noda> hacim: There's a gconf entry for that.
[10:50] <Quest-Master> noda: Can I configure Epiphany to do this?
[10:50] <hacim> noda: gconf?
[10:51] <Quest-Master> I click Ctrl-T
[10:51] <noda> http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany_2fFrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-f0fba6cafba4b126567cd0fcad746e943a184b3b
[10:51] <Quest-Master> A new tab opens
[10:51] <hacim> thanks
[10:51] <noda> Quest-Master: Yes, Epiphany does that.
[10:51] <Quest-Master> And as soon as it does, I can type in the address in the address bar immediately
[10:51] <Quest-Master> No
[10:51] <Quest-Master> From what I remember
[10:51] <noda> Quest-Master: Oh, that. No, you have to press Ctrl-T Ctrl-L.
[10:51] <Quest-Master> I'd click Ctrl-T, then I'd have to click the address bar again to type it in
[10:51] <Quest-Master> Oh.
[10:51] <noda> Quest-Master: Well, right. Same thing.
[10:51] <Quest-Master> Is there a way to change that?
[10:51] <noda> Quest-Master: It's a Mozilla bug.
[10:51] <Quest-Master> Firefox doesn't have that bug.
[10:51] <Quest-Master> :\
[10:52] <noda> Quest-Master: A very, very ugly one. Probably won't get fixed soon.
[10:52] <noda> Quest-Master: You're right. The bastards :)
[10:52] <Quest-Master> Aww.
[10:52] <Quest-Master> :(
[10:52] <noda> Quest-Master: I've gotten so used to Ctrl-T Ctrl-L I forgot about it :)
[10:53] <Quest-Master> Has anyone install the guifications plugin for Gaim here?
[10:53] <Quest-Master> I ./configure it, but it says it can't find gaim in the pkg-config-path
[10:53] <Quest-Master> Even though Gaim is installed
[10:53] <noda> Quest-Master: Did you install gaim-dev? (going out on a limb without any knowledge about gaim plugins here)
[10:54] <hacim> noda: cool, thanks, now middle click works :)
[10:54] <tritium> Quest-Master, do you have gaim-dev installed?
[10:54] <Arkainium> using the network configuration tool, i'm trying to connect to my wireless network.  i enter all the details but it won't activate.
[10:55] <tritium> Oh, noda already asked...
[10:55] <Arkainium> when i set it manually it works fine though
[10:55] <Quest-Master> tritium: I sure do
[10:55] <hacim> noda: can you use the epiphany mozilla-API extention to load mozilla extentions?
[10:55] <Quest-Master> Wait
[10:55] <Quest-Master> Hm
[10:56] <Quest-Master> This is weird
[10:56] <noda> hacim: No.
[10:56] <Quest-Master> There is no gaim-dev package
[10:56] <tritium> Quest-Master, then you'll need to get it
[10:56] <noda> hacim: Mozilla extensions use XUL, and Epiphany uses GTK
[10:56] <tritium> Quest-Master, it's in universe
[10:56] <noda> hacim: Some extensions work, though. Flashblock, for instance.
[10:56] <noda> You have to set something in about:config to unblock them. I forget what it is. Not many extensions work :)
[10:57] <noda> hacim: But if you've got any good extensions ideas... we're always looking for them :)
[10:57] <hacim> noda: well it sounds like you are working on the adblock one already :)
[10:58] <Quest-Master> tritium: I have universe enabled
[10:58] <tritium> Quest-Master, are you using Hoary?
[10:58] <hacim> noda: is there an easy way to associate mime-types with applications?
[10:58] <noda> hacim: In hoary, yes.
[10:58] <Quest-Master> Warty, tritium
[10:58] <hacim> noda: eg. I click on a .torrent and it asks me to save it, rather than launch bittornado-gui
[10:58] <noda> hacim: Right-click on file -> open with
[10:58] <noda> hacim: It'll associate the filetype evermore.
[10:58] <tritium> Quest-Master, oh, perhaps it's not in Warty?  That would be surprising, but I guess it's possible...
[10:58] <hacim> noda: ah, I am using 1.4.7
[10:59] <Quest-Master> tritium: Aww. That sucks. :(
[10:59] <noda> hacim: It's a GNOME-wide setting. Download it, right-click -> open with, choose your program.
[10:59] <noda> hacim: Next time it should open automatically.
[10:59] <tritium> Quest-Master, I don't know for sure.  I don't have any Warty systems.
[10:59] <hacim> noda: ah, I am not using gnome, using ion
[10:59] <noda> (I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure)
[10:59] <noda> hacim: Ah. You could start up Nautilus just this once to get the right-click :)
[11:00] <hacim> noda: heh, that means installing nautilus
[11:00] <noda> hacim: Epiphany offers no support to non-GNOME users. Galeon developers take a gentler stance in that regard.
[11:00] <hacim> bummer :(
[11:01] <Quest-Master> Gnome users are superior </joke>
[11:01] <hacim> Quest-Master: I'd use gnome if I had the machine power to run it without getting annoyed at how slow it is
[11:01] <Quest-Master> hacim: What do you use then? KDE? :o
[11:01] <noda> hacim: I've run GNOME at school on a PIII 450... runs plenty fast :)
[11:01] <hacim> Quest-Master: ion
[11:01] <noda> Quest-Master: He just said, ion :)
[11:01] <Quest-Master> Oh, I didn't see
[11:02] <Quest-Master> Never heard of ion.
[11:02] <hacim> was previously using windowmaker
[11:02] <noda> hacim: ion is a tiling window manager, right?
[11:02] <hacim> ion is not for the light of heart
[11:03] <Quest-Master> If I had a bad computer, I'd most likely use Fluxbox or XFCE preferably. :D
[11:03] <hacim> "bad" is subjective
[11:04] <noda> I used to use blackbox. Was rediculously fast. GNOME isn't as fast, but it lets *me* work faster, so I use it.
[11:04] <tritium> Quest-Master, you could also look in backports for it
[11:05] <hacim> heh, how do I make nautiuls go away now
[11:05] <noda> hacim: kill it :)
[11:05] <hacim> cntrl-c did it :)
[11:05] <chipig> hmm. anyone had problems using XFS after upgrading to 2.6.10? ... 'Corruption of in-memory data detected. Shutting down filesystem: hda2'
[11:05] <hacim> noda: but that also killed my torrent :(
[11:05] <sladen> chipig: do you have bad swap?
[11:05] <noda> hacim: lol
[11:05] <noda> hacim: It should work from the website directly now
[11:06] <noda> hacim: What program do you use, btw?
[11:06] <noda> I've been using btdownloadcurses. It sucks :)
[11:06] <hacim> noda: maybe I need to restart epiphany to get it to notice
[11:06] <chipig> sladen: bad swap?
[11:06] <hacim> noda: I use bittornado
[11:06] <noda> cool
[11:06] <hacim> noda: btdownloadgui or btdownloadcurses/btlaunchmanycurses
[11:06] <sladen> chipig: do you have a dodgey harddisk drive
[11:07] <chipig> sladen: its been working great before today.
[11:07] <chipig> (10 months or something)
[11:07] <Quest-Master> Hm
[11:07] <sladen> chipig: has it happened more than once?
[11:07] <Quest-Master> How come whenever I open or close a tab there is some 2-3 second lag?
[11:07] <Quest-Master> :\
[11:08] <noda> Quest-Master: What program?
[11:08] <sladen> chipig: can you reboot to the grub menu and run  memtest86  from the menu to check the RAM in your machine
[11:08] <Quest-Master> noda: Epiphany
[11:09] <noda> Quest-Master: After installing epiphany-extensions?
[11:09] <Quest-Master> Hm
[11:10] <noda> Quest-Master: Are you on Hoary? (please please please please...)
[11:10] <chipig> sladen: it has happened twice. once I was in x11, couldn't see it, but everything stopped working.. (since hda 2 is my / )
[11:10] <parazoid> could anyone recommend a good server for linux? A GUI would be nice :)
[11:10] <noda> parazoid: Debian's the best. GUIs are unnecessary :).
[11:10] <chipig> rebooted to console, and did an apt-get isntall, then it cracked
[11:10] <Quest-Master> noda: Warty :\
[11:10] <noda> Quest-Master: Damn :)
[11:11] <noda> Quest-Master: Pretty hard to find out why, then. You'd have to start deleting extensions until it speeds up, so you can figure out which one it is.
[11:11] <Scooter> http://enemy-territory.4players.de:1041/ Chech out this top storie if you want to play a new ET MOD called Team fortress.. verry well done
[11:11] <noda> Quest-Master: If you want to play (screwing up the package manager in the process), the files to delete are in /usr/lib/epiphany-1.4/extensions
[11:12] <noda> Quest-Master: Delete similarly-named extensions together, then restart Epiphany.
[11:12] <Scooter> Ubuntu ROCKS as a gameing distro, I get great preformance with ET
[11:12] <noda> Quest-Master: Or just uninstall them and give up
[11:12] <noda> Quest-Master: I'd guess that tabsmenu could do it...
[11:12] <Quest-Master> I didn't have epiphany-extensions until you asked if I installed it
[11:12] <Quest-Master> It's slow both ways
[11:12] <Quest-Master> With and without
[11:12] <Quest-Master> :\
[11:12] <noda> Oh.
[11:12] <noda> Phew :)
[11:12] <noda> Um... :P
[11:12] <sladen> chipig: can you reboot and run the memory checker for 1 hour
[11:13] <noda> Quest-Master: I'd ask how many bookmarks you have, but that shouldn't matter if you're having the problem on new *tab*...
[11:13] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[11:13] <Quest-Master> :\
[11:13] <noda> Quest-Master: Did you just upgrade Epiphany and not upgrade Firefox at the same time? :)
[11:13] <parazoid> noda, ok. I just installed Apache2, but it seems a little weird on ubuntu
[11:13] <noda> parazoid: How so?
[11:14] <Quest-Master> noda: I just installed Epiphany
[11:14] <noda> Quest-Master: Oh. So you'd never used it before :)
[11:14] <noda> Quest-Master: Hrm. How fast is your computer?
[11:15] <Quest-Master> noda: I used it before, it had this same problem which is why I uninstalled it
[11:16] <Quest-Master> noda: 2.20Ghz Celeron, 256MB RAM.
[11:16] <noda> Quest-Master: I can't even guess at what the problem is. That sucks, though.
[11:16] <parazoid> noda, I used to run Apache on Windows, but i can?t figure this one out
[11:16] <noda> parazoid: You put files into /var/www and they show up when you browse to http://localhost/ :)
[11:17] <parazoid> ok
[11:18] <Quest-Master> noda: Back to Firefox then. I'll try Galeon though.
[11:18] <Arkainium> has anyone had success configuring their wireless using the network setup applet?  i can only bring up my link manually using iwconfig.  :(
[11:18] <noda> Quest-Master: Let me know if Galeon *doesn't* do it and Epiphany *does*, that'd be strange.
[11:19] <Quest-Master> Ok
[11:19] <Quest-Master> Why isn't Galeon in the repositories?
[11:19] <noda> Quest-Master: It's probably in universe.
[11:19] <chipig> sladen: you think its bad ram?
[11:19] <mjr> it isn't in warty; there is some compile problem
[11:20] <noda> Quest-Master: Epiphany comes on the CD because it was really close to being the default browser (it's the official GNOME browser)
[11:20] <parazoid> noda, hmm..it seems to work now. Ok htanks :)
[11:20] <noda> parazoid: Great :)
[11:20] <Quest-Master> mjr's right; not in Warty.
[11:20] <Quest-Master> :(
[11:20] <mjr> and since galeon isn't really supported, it's not been resolved
[11:20] <noda> Ah well :)
[11:21] <aeolist> ahoy there
[11:21] <mjr> I installed galeon from hoary a couple of months back myself
[11:21] <noda> That's okay, though. We Epiphany developers have hijacked a Galeon developer for ourselves :)
[11:21] <noda> He still *calls* himself a Galeon developer... but we know the truth :)
[11:22] <noda> (and now we have pyphany. Rockin'.)
[11:22] <noda> (and a semi-working epiphany-mono)
[11:22] <brian_> can anyone tell me the command to unmount swap?
[11:22] <mjr> you don't unmount swap, but swapoff is the command
[11:23] <brian_> arright
[11:23] <benjanet> how do i install mplayer on hoary
[11:23] <brian_> how would i use the command?
[11:24] <brian_> the terminal give me a usage: bal blah
[11:24] <noda> benjanet: Add "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[11:24] <noda> " to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:24] <noda> benjanet: However, you may be better served with Totem... after installing win32-plugins from that repository.
[11:24] <brian_> you coul also do that iun synaptci
[11:26] <aeolist> should i just shoot the question that bugs me?
[11:26] <benjanet> ok
[11:26] <brian_> i did sudo swapoff -a any idea what that does?
[11:26] <noda> brian_: Turns off all your swap?
[11:27] <brian_> oh -a =all
[11:27] <brian_> thnx
[11:27] <aeolist> i am trying to connect to the net through wvdial, how do i tell the damn thing not to wait for a dialtone?
[11:27] <noda> brian_: Read the man pages (man swapoff)
[11:27] <brian_> i was wondering what usage: swapoff [-hV] 
[11:27] <brian_>        swapoff -a [-v] 
[11:27] <brian_>        swapoff [-v]  special ...
[11:27] <brian_> ment
[11:27] <brian_> i got swap off now thnx
[11:27] <noda> brian_: Why on Earth would you want swap off, by the way? (except if you're, say, repartitioning a drive)
[11:28] <brian_> repartitioning
[11:28] <brian_> lol
[11:28] <noda> Ah :)
[11:28] <brian_> my linux swap is in and extended with a fat32 and i need that extended unounted to edit that fat32
[11:28] <brian_> an*
[11:28] <noda> Cool :)
[11:29] <sladen> chipig: that's what the error message said.  Can you check it out, so we can see whether it's bad RAM or a kernel bug
[11:30] <Hwolf> How is Ubuntu's support for installing on a raid device? I'm considering getting 2 sata drives.
[11:30] <chipig> sladen: sure. its running memtest right now.. I did find one mailing list post about this with 2.6.10-rc2
[11:30] <benjanet> noda, i get GPG error from that source
[11:30] <noda> benjanet: So do I, unfortunately. But it works.
[11:32] <keknehv> Is there a way to access a hard-drive partitioner within Linux similar to the one on the Ubuntu install?
[11:32] <sladen> keknehv: try  cfdisk
[11:32] <Hwolf> keknehv, fdisk?
[11:33] <aeolist> fdisk is different
[11:33] <calamari> Hwolf: that's not very similar :)
[11:33] <aeolist> my 6 hours of experience on linux tells me so
[11:33] <aeolist> :P
[11:33] <noda> Hehehe
[11:33] <noda> Just use gparted or something :)
[11:33] <Hwolf> calamari, it does the job better then most.
[11:33] <noda> parted is great because it can resize partitions :)
[11:34] <parazoid> noda, how do i shutdown Apache2?
[11:34] <noda> parazoid: /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
[11:34] <calamari> I don't dispute that you can use it to get the job done.. but not very user friendly :)
[11:34] <noda> (Shut down Apache? Who would ever want to do such a thing!)
[11:34] <Hwolf> Noda, while you're at it, how do I check if I've got open ports?
[11:34] <noda> Hwolf: sudo netstat -pant
[11:34] <Hwolf> I've got apache/mysql running, but didn't put too much in configuring it.
[11:35] <noda> Hwolf: If you don't configure MySQL, it doesn't even listen on the network.
[11:35] <noda> (At least, that's the way it is on Debian)
[11:35] <noda> As for Apache, it'll use port 80.
[11:35] <aeolist> is noda an answering bot?
[11:35] <noda> lol, apparently :)
[11:36] <Hwolf> heh. I told apache to stick to localhost:80
[11:36] <noda> I *was* actually doing other stuff while chatting on here, but my attention seems to be more and more sucked into thie channel :)
[11:36] <Hwolf> that should do. :-P
[11:36] <stuNNed> if have two soundcards how to configure?
[11:36] <benjanet> noda, how do i play quicktime files with Totem ?
[11:36] <noda> benjanet: Install win32-plugins and it'll Just Work.
[11:36] <Hwolf> stunned, get one of em on ebay. :-)
[11:36] <parazoid> noda, It says: no such file or directory
[11:36] <stuNNed> Hwolf, yes how'd you know but i have two installed how to switch from one to anotehr? :\
[11:37] <Hwolf> Get one of em out of the system, hotplug should pick up and load the other.
[11:37] <stuNNed> Hwolf, i want to have two in system though :|
[11:37] <aeolist> let's see how the ans. bot handles evil dos attacks (aka numerous questions atst)
[11:37] <noda> parazoid: "/etc/init.d/apache2 stop"? Could you please copy/paste the entire error line?
[11:37] <Hwolf> stunned, one for each ear?
[11:38] <benjanet> noda, i dont have that package after adding the repository
[11:38] <parazoid> noda, bash: /etc/int.d/apache2: No such file or directory
[11:38] <stuNNed> Hwolf, LOL no, one for games one for music :D
[11:38] <noda> benjanet: parazoid You're missing an I in INIT
[11:38] <Hwolf> stunned, ahh. what's the difference?
[11:38] <noda> benjanet: Hrm, now that you mention it, neither do I :)
[11:39] <parazoid> noda, Oh :)
[11:39] <Hwolf> bash: /etc/int.d/apache2: No such file or directory
[11:39] <Hwolf> :-P
[11:40] <noda> benjanet: It's "w32codecs" :)
[11:40] <noda> benjanet: Oh, and apt-get install totem-xine, too. Gstreamer doesn't use those codecs, I don't think
[11:40] <Hwolf> benjanet, use gxine instead of totem-xine, and you avoid breaking ubuntu-desktop
[11:41] <noda> Hwolf: That's true, but you're also using a less awesome video player ;)
[11:41] <Hwolf> noda, just giving the option. Breaking ubuntu-desktop can be unpleasant.
[11:41] <luisedo> hi everybody
[11:41] <noda> I just run "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" every once and a while and hit "N" when I see that no other packages have changed :P
[11:41] <luisedo> dues any one can help me to change my video drivers?
[11:42] <benjanet> Hwolf, what do you mean by break ?
[11:42] <noda> benjanet: ubuntu-desktop depends on totem-gstreamer. Totem-xine conflicts with totem-gstreamer. So to install totem-xine, you have to remove ubuntu-desktop
[11:42] <Hwolf> benjanet, uninstalling ubuntu-desktop can do weird things to your system if you're upgrading
[11:42] <noda> Hwolf: Ooh, thanks for reminding me, actually! Apparently there's some new stuff (mozilla-firefox-gnome-support, openoffice.org-gtk-gnome, readahead)
[11:43] <parazoid> noda, ok. Final stupid question: How can i restore the files in /var/www/apache-default/ with my own? It won?t let me delete them.
[11:43] <noda> benjanet: So next time you do a dist-upgrade, you won't pick up any new packages which would have been in ubuntu-desktop.
[11:43] <Hwolf> noda, do you know a way to handle encryped dvds? I've got a set of dvd's by universal that refuse to play. :-S
[11:43] <noda> Hwolf: Yes, that's in the FAQ on ubuntu's website
[11:43] <Hwolf> noda, the problem is. I've got libdvdcss already
[11:44] <noda> Hwolf: Using totem-xine?
[11:44] <noda> Hwolf: Run "totem" from the console and try to play a movie, check if the debug output is useful
[11:44] <Hwolf> noda it'll run the dvd menu, but once the film starts, it quits.
[11:44] <noda> parazoid: edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default and change "/var/www/apache-default" to "/var/www". Then leave /var/www/apache-default alone, and just put different files in /var/www.
[11:44] <noda> Hwolf: I've never heard of that. What's the debug output? :)
[11:45] <parazoid> ok
[11:46] <benjanet> noda, i allready had w32-codecs, i reinstalled the, but didnt change anything..
[11:46] <noda> benjanet: You using totem-xine?
[11:46] <luisedo> hey
[11:46] <luisedo> pls i cant change my nvidia drivers
[11:46] <luisedo> i cant use any 3d app
[11:46] <luisedo> what should i do?
[11:46] <ik-G4> any one knows about ubuntu ppc?
[11:46] <benjanet> noda, totem-gestreamer
[11:46] <Hwolf> noda. Totem won't open the dvd, gxine will, then crashes.
[11:47] <noda> benjanet: totem-gstreamer won't use w32codecs.
[11:47] <luisedo> exactly
[11:47] <luisedo> i uninstalled totem-gstreamer an installed totem only
[11:47] <luisedo> it works perfect
[11:48] <luisedo> pls... anyone can help me?
[11:49] <Hwolf> luisedo, what's up?
[11:50] <benjanet> now works nice :D, thanks
[11:50] <luisedo> hi hwolf
[11:51] <luisedo> hi Hwolf
[11:51] <luisedo> i can't play any 3d app on my ubuntu system... what should i do?
[11:52] <luisedo> i've been trying to change nvidia official drivers but it's impossible
[11:52] <noda> luisedo: Have you followed the instructions on the wiki?
[11:52] <luisedo> nop
[11:52] <luisedo> where is it?
[11:52] <luisedo> whats wiki?
[11:53] <noda> wiki.ubuntulinux.org -- search for "driver"
[11:53] <noda> A wiki is a website that any visitor can edit.
[11:53] <Hwolf> Is it me, or is it weird that gxine doesn't have a menu-icon?
[11:53] <aeolist> have you heard of a program that allows you to access your second os through windows?
[11:54] <luisedo> thanks noda
[11:56] <Quest-Master> aeolist: Yes
[11:57] <noda> aeolist: Lots of programs do that :)
[11:57] <aeolist> erm, can you tell me more about it quest master and noda?
[11:57] <Quest-Master> aeolist: Use explore2fs
[11:57] <Quest-Master> http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/explore2fs/explore2fs-1.00pre6b.zip
[11:57] <noda> I thought aeolist meant to run Linux in a window in Windows :)
[11:57] <aeolist> yeah
[11:58] <aeolist> i already got explore2fs (and it's really great)
[11:58] <noda> aeolist: VMWare costs money and is fast. Boschs (I think that's how you spell it) is free, but slower I think.
[11:58] <mjr> well, there's bochs, which is slow
[11:58] <aeolist> oh, so that's what vmware is for :P
[11:59] <noda> aeolist: Yes, it works very well.
[11:59] <Quest-Master> There is also Qemu
[11:59] <aeolist> ok, i'll try bochs...
[11:59] <Quest-Master> I couldn't get Bochs to work
[11:59] <Quest-Master> Hehe
[11:59] <mjr> qemu on windows is alpha software