[12:00] <K-Rich> Greets
[12:01] <Quest-Master> What's a good GTK based torrent program?
[12:01] <Quest-Master> Azureus is too slow
[12:02] <aeolist> i thought mldonkey was the father and mother of all p2p
[12:02] <mjr> well, bittornado-gui matches, but is gtk1, so is a bit out of place in a gtk2 desktop
[12:02] <Quest-Master> G3Torrent and ABC use wxPython, and wxPython in Warty still uses Gtk1.x
[12:02] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[12:02] <aeolist> what am i saying?
[12:02] <Quest-Master> I want something like Azureus written in a better language that uses Gtk2.x
[12:02] <Quest-Master> Java is a resource hog
[12:03] <noda> http://gnome-bt.sourceforge.net/
[12:04] <mjr> noda, hmm, nice
[12:04] <noda> I haven't tried it myself
[12:04] <noda> It's mentioned on the Ubuntu wiki
[12:05] <Quest-Master> Maybe I should write my own BT program.
[12:05] <pavkonti> I have amd thunderbird 900Mhz. which kernel should I use 386 or 686?
[12:05] <K-Rich> anyone here have a niash based scanner they've manager to get working in Warty?
[12:06] <mebaran> Anyone know how to setup the w32codecs on AMD64
[12:07] <mebaran> Would I need a a 64 bit compiled version or something?
[12:08] <sladen> mebaran: amd64 == different architeture
[12:08] <mebaran> Yeah
[12:08] <mebaran> but is there anything I can do to run a couple wmv's
[12:08] <mebaran> I got mpg and ogg support
[12:08] <darkling> You can't use the win32 codecs on a 64 bit system.
[12:08] <mjr> mebaran, if you really need those, currently you'd basically have to set up a chrooted 32-bit environment where you'd install that
[12:08] <mebaran> well
[12:08] <mebaran> didint openoffice already set one up
[12:08] <noda> mebaran: wmv 8's should run natively. It's just 9's that won't.
[12:08] <mjr> no
[12:09] <mebaran> how does openoffice run then
[12:09] <darkling> You need to set up a chroot environment.
[12:09] <mebaran> It installs the ia-32 libs
[12:09] <darkling> OpenOffice fiddles things a bit.
[12:09] <mjr> openoffice runs in a more kludgy way ;)
[12:09] <mebaran> darkling: just out of curiousity, how did it do it
[12:09] <mebaran> it sound sort of cool
[12:09] <mebaran> and why doesnt ubuntu just use a chroot
[12:10] <darkling> ia-32 libs are a basic set of libs -- just enough to get a 32-bit OO.o running.
[12:10] <mebaran> ahhhhh
[12:10] <mebaran> but they dont put those in a chroot
[12:10] <mebaran> I was attracted to ubuntu, because it looked liek they had solved that whole chroot mess I had on debian
[12:10] <mebaran> openoffice right out of the box and all 64 bits too
[12:10] <mebaran> but I guess they just did a bit of a hack
[12:11] <mebaran> when Win64 comes out
[12:11] <mebaran> will I be able to use its codecs?
[12:11] <mjr> *shrug*
[12:11] <mjr> that's probably up to the wine and media player guys
[12:11] <darkling> mebaran: Not at the moment,
[12:11] <darkling> but when someone writes a 64-bit wrapper for the win64 codecs, yes.
[12:11] <mebaran> if only the world would use ogg
[12:11] <mebaran> and gom
[12:12] <mebaran> ogm
[12:12] <mebaran> they are good formats
[12:12] <mebaran> just a tad supportless
[12:13] <mebaran> will realplayer work
[12:13] <mebaran> or is that in the big box of not going to work yet
[12:13] <HrdwrBoB> there is a 64 bit realplayer isn't there
[12:13] <zenrox> i am shure thare is
[12:14] <darkling> I'm not aware of one,
[12:14] <darkling> but then I tend to stay away from RP media.
[12:14] <darkling> Does Helix run in 64 bit?
[12:15] <K-Rich> anyone have any experiance getting a niash based scanner working?
[12:15] <mebaran> I never liked realplayer much
[12:15] <mebaran> wma is much more important
[12:15] <mebaran> as I bruned alot of Cd's in wma lossless
[12:16] <splatta> #join #knoppix
[12:16] <mebaran> and it seems like a pain to try and convert to Flac
[12:16] <mebaran> thought now I know of the greatness of Flac
[12:16] <K-Rich> mebaran: be happy, i can't get any video to play in totem, think i'm gonna install mplayer this afternoon
[12:16] <scaroo> hi ppl ! does any of you know if the ipod support in rhythmbox has been removed ? I saw screenies and cvs commits related to it, but nothing happend in RnB when pluging the device. Gtkpod work like a charm.
[12:16] <noda> Is wma lossless better than flac?
[12:16] <mebaran> K-rich: switch to totem zine
[12:17] <mebaran> noda: all lossless codecs are basically equal
[12:17] <mebaran> I havent noticed any huge space differences
[12:17] <mebaran> all avg about 500 kbps
[12:17] <scaroo> K-Rich, try totem-xine, or install yourself gstreamer-ffmpeg
[12:17] <mjr> scaroo, warty's rhythmbox version is from last fall, maybe it's not new enough
[12:17] <K-Rich> mebaran: how? just apt-get it or?
[12:17] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran: except that wmv is non free
[12:17] <ik-G4> any one know how can i setup firewall in ubuntu?
[12:17] <scaroo> mjr : i m curently using hoary
[12:18] <mebaran> HrdwrBoB: yeah, if only I had been so wise before
[12:18] <scaroo> mjr, RnB is version 0.8.8
[12:18] <mebaran> I did these CD's before I had any idea that Linux was feasible
[12:19] <mebaran> FLAC tends to encode faster on my PC anyway
[12:19] <bj_> Does anyone know if you have to specify in xorg.conf for x to use the xdamage and xfixes extensions??
[12:19] <mebaran> Also, any of you know how to setup a Canon Printer
[12:19] <stuNNed> how do i get hotplug to not probe for soundcards and use alsasound init script instead?
[12:20] <mebaran> I have a very nice Canan i950
[12:20] <scaroo> mebaran, look at http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/ if your printer is supported
[12:20] <mebaran> noda: I usually let it run over night anyway
[12:20] <sladen> mebaran: you said you used 'wmv lossless', if it's really loseless, you'll have no problem re-encoding them to anything else you want;  eg.  FLAC/OGG
[12:20] <noda> Still -- saves on electricity! :)
[12:21] <mebaran> yeah
[12:21] <mebaran> but I cant open them
[12:21] <mebaran> or convert them
[12:21] <sladen> mebaran: can you convert them on a windows machine?
[12:21] <scaroo> so nobody knows about RnB-IPOD integration ?
[12:21] <mebaran> no more windows
[12:21] <noda> That's why one should always use an open format :)
[12:21] <mebaran> I philosphically took a stance that my pocket book was happy with
[12:22] <mebaran> I needed to log on a domain
[12:22] <mebaran> but I sort of had Windows home
[12:22] <mebaran> and that was very very annoying
[12:22] <noda> FLAC also has some level of hardware support.
[12:22] <mebaran> so I decided to switch to linux
[12:22] <noda> (since it's so fast to decompress)
[12:22] <r3v3rb> can someone tell me if there is a graphical tool to set the screen display for colour used ?
[12:22] <sladen> scaroo: what's an 'RnB-iPod' ?
[12:22] <splatta> ubuntu's install routine - will it co-exist with my mdk 10.1 ?
[12:23] <mebaran> My printer is unsupported by Gimp print
[12:23] <mebaran> where can I turn
[12:23] <Hwolf> I so hate kernel-updates. :-S
[12:23] <sladen> scaroo: if it's an iPod, you should just be able to plug it in;  it'll mount and appear on your desktop
[12:23] <r3v3rb> install has set the system to thousands rather than millions
[12:23] <mebaran> it is an i950
[12:23] <K-Rich> mebaran: switching to totem-xine i should remove all the gstreamer stuff right?
[12:23] <K-Rich> (ie no need for them except totem-gstreamer)
[12:23] <mebaran> doesnt matter
[12:23] <r3v3rb> btw. ubuntu rules over mdk10.1
[12:23] <mebaran> K-Rich: it will do all that for you
[12:23] <mebaran> when you install it
[12:23] <scaroo> sladen, yes that works flawlessly, but, i am speaking of Rhythmbox/Ipod integration
[12:23] <noda> K-Rich: Just apt-get install totem-xine and Apt will handle the rest
[12:23] <mebaran> it will remove totem-gstreamer
[12:24] <mebaran> though gsteamer handles most everything too
[12:24] <sladen> r3v3rb: how much video RAM do you have;  it's tries to set the highest resolution possible
[12:24] <mebaran> set up properly
[12:24] <noda> You should keep the rest of gstreamer, though. Other apps may use it.
[12:24] <mchasard> please why the last beta stopped the live cd at the xorg  ?
[12:24] <adamZ> K-Rich: gstreamer handles stuff like rhythmbox too
[12:24] <scaroo> yes if you instqll gstreamer-ffmpeg, sadly, no debs :(
[12:24] <sladen> r3v3rb: you can change it by going  computer->control panel->monitor
[12:24] <splatta> not interested in a pissing contest...but i do need to install ubuntu and try it for myself...dual boot with mdk 10.1...will it work ok ?
[12:24] <mchasard> without startx
[12:24] <r3v3rb> sladen i got 32mb on my laptop. msk10.1 & FC3 both run at max res with millions of colours
[12:24] <r3v3rb> but not ubuntu
[12:25] <r3v3rb> could it be a xfree v xorg problem ?
[12:25] <noda> splatta: It should :)
[12:25] <r3v3rb> i dont have control panel - monitor ?
[12:25] <scaroo> reverb, i would say xresprobe, but dunno
[12:25] <sladen> r3v3rb: interesting, so this is an auto-detection issue;  What happens when you go to the control panel and change the resolution/refresh/colour-depth?
[12:25] <r3v3rb> what control panel sladen ?
[12:26] <splatta> noda: ok...whats the installer like ?
[12:26] <mebaran> video ram is mostly textures
[12:26] <mebaran> video ram is mostly for textures I thought
[12:26] <noda> splatta: Text-based :(
[12:26] <sladen> r3v3rb: click on the Computer Menu at the top of the screen
[12:26] <r3v3rb> yup
[12:26] <mebaran> I have run millions of oclors on an 8 mb old Riva TNT
[12:26] <noda> splatta: But still quite easy
[12:26] <r3v3rb> i have destop prefs and system conf
[12:26] <mebaran> splatta: the install might not be pretty, but it is guranteed to run
[12:27] <sladen> r3v3rb: I don't have an Ubuntu machine in front of me at the moment, can somebody tell r3v3rb the exact name of the display control panel!
[12:27] <r3v3rb> lol
[12:27] <splatta> not worried about how it looks...as long as it leaves my mdk 10.1 install in one piece :o)
[12:27] <hikaru79> I have an external USB hard drive that I want to mount. What is, most likely, it's address?
[12:27] <r3v3rb> i'm sure my setup doesnt have a display panel
[12:27] <hikaru79> *address?
[12:28] <mebaran> r3v3rb: Desktop > Administration > Screen Resolution
[12:28] <scaroo> hikaru79, an icon should have appeared on your desktop
[12:28] <mebaran> for Screen Resolution
[12:28] <noda> hikaru79: It should happen automatically. I think it'll be /dev/sda
[12:28] <mebaran> you could also go to your xorg.conf and manually set that
[12:28] <hikaru79> O
[12:28] <r3v3rb> mebaran i tried that but it doesnt support colour setting
[12:28] <hikaru79> It did that when I used GNOME
[12:28] <hikaru79> But I installed Hoary's KDE
[12:28] <ogra> r3v3rb: its in Computer->System Tools->Display Propertys (i think...german here so it may be named different)
[12:28] <hikaru79> And it won't automount anymore
[12:28] <Hwolf> noda, that icon is fucked up, appears right on top of other icons. :-S
[12:28] <mebaran> automount is a gnome thing
[12:29] <mebaran> my automounting never worked on KDE
[12:29] <mebaran> ever
[12:29] <scaroo> hikaru79, go see in /media if there an entry related to your hd
[12:29] <r3v3rb> nope i dont have a display properties... wierd
[12:29] <mebaran> Gnome seems a tad better
[12:29] <noda> Hwolf: I've seen that too. Hasn't (yet) annoyed me enough to make me look into it :)
[12:29] <hikaru79> hikaru79@ubuntu:/media $ dir
[12:29] <hikaru79> cdrom  cdrom0  cdrom1  floppy  floppy0  usbdisk
[12:29] <noda> Down with KDE! :)
[12:29] <elvelind> question. If I want to start linux with the windows start loader, I should dd if=/?? of=/boot.lnx and then copy over boot.lnx to c: and edit boot.ini. what should the ?? be?
[12:29] <mebaran> you have the symlinks
[12:29] <Hwolf> noda, is that worth filing a bug over, and for wich package?
[12:29] <Riddell> mebaran: KDE 3.4 uses HAL same as Gnome
[12:29] <hikaru79> I tried 'mount usbdisk' and 'mount /media/usbdisk' but neither work
[12:30] <mebaran> Ridell: my experiences from KDE 3.3
[12:30] <noda> Hwolf: The package would be Nautilus. I'm sure the bug exists already. I'll search for it.
[12:30] <mebaran> so I could say for sure
[12:30] <scaroo> try using pmount
[12:30] <mebaran> never worked for my firewire card reader
[12:30] <mebaran> maybe the magic is in hotplug
[12:30] <ogra> hikaru79: use pmount, not mount for that
[12:30] <noda> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45953
[12:31] <r3v3rb> damn, didnt want to have to fool around in the terminal to set my display ! but nm
[12:31] <hikaru79> I love you guys, thanks =)
[12:31] <noda> (and notice how old that stuff is -- you can tell by the "@eazel.com" email addresses
[12:31] <scaroo> pmount is a mounting util for removable device. It lets users(ie non root) mount them
[12:31] <K-Rich> mebaran: sweet, thanks.. so far so good even with wmv :)
[12:31] <Hwolf> noda, ok.
[12:32] <Jelte> hi there... does anyone know if there is a GUI tool in ubuntu to edit the scripts which are started in the several runlevels ?
[12:32] <adamZ> elvelind: It's /dev/hdxy, where x is the letter for your hard disk (probably a) and y is the partition number of the boot partition. You'll also need blocks=something, I'm not sure what it is
[12:32] <Jelte> i found gnome-system-tools should do it, but i'm not sure where it is (although it seems to be installed on default)
[12:33] <elvelind> adamZ: blocks=512 :) well. I dont have a boot partition. should I use the root?
[12:33] <scaroo> Jelte, gst has been spit in diferent modules (network, users ...) and ubuntu doesnt comes with the RC editor
[12:33] <scaroo> *split
[12:33] <adamZ> elvelind: yeah, I think so
[12:34] <Jelte> scaroo, ah, that'll explain it... i'll do a search in synaptic for the rc editor then...
[12:34] <elvelind> adamZ: 'couse that dont work. I just get a blank screen.
[12:34] <adamZ> elvelind: hold on, I'm looking through a forum for something I've got on that
[12:34] <r3v3rb> anyone here actually in front of ubuntu ?
[12:34] <elvelind> adamZ: oh. should I install grub on that partiton?
[12:34] <adamZ> elvelind: http://www.geocities.com/jtarin47/DualBoot.html
[12:34] <scaroo> r3v3rb, ubuntu here
[12:34] <noda> I've got it on my laptop 2 metres away
[12:34] <Jelte> scaroo, any idea which (if any) component the RC editor is in for ubuntu?
[12:35] <r3v3rb> that can tell me how to change thecolour display of the monitor
[12:35] <K-Rich> Ubuntu here as well
[12:35] <mebaran> mebaran: I am in front of ubuntu
[12:35] <mebaran> try commenting out all the modes you dont want in your xorg.conf
[12:35] <adamZ> elvelind: I've never actually done this myself...
[12:35] <scaroo> r3v3rb, have you tried 'dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg' ?
[12:35] <scaroo> as root
[12:35] <r3v3rb> xorg ?
[12:35] <r3v3rb> thought it uses xfree ?
[12:35] <adamZ> elvelind: but yeah, I think you need a bootloader of some kind installed on the partition.
[12:35] <mebaran> oh
[12:36] <elvelind> adamZ: well. when I think of it it makes sence. thanks.
[12:36] <mebaran> r3v3b: are you on Warty or Hoary
[12:36] <__learner__> I have chopping sound on lots of application under my system;.
[12:36] <scaroo> r3v3rb, you are under warty ?
[12:36] <mebaran> you can do the same thing to XF86Config-4
[12:36] <r3v3rb> warty didnt think hoary was available
[12:36] <__learner__> do you have any idea of what ios happening?
[12:36] <mebaran> you can participate
[12:36] <mebaran> anyone know what to do if my printer is unsupported by gimpprint
[12:36] <mebaran> it makes a happy paper weight
[12:37] <r3v3rb> buy a new printer ?
[12:37] <mebaran> but I have never been a big paper weight person
[12:37] <r3v3rb> ;)
[12:37] <r3v3rb> where can i scrounge hoary from then huys ?
[12:37] <mebaran> i950 anyone have it?
[12:37] <r3v3rb> guys even
[12:37] <mebaran> r3v3rb
[12:37] <adamZ> mebaran: does your printer manufacturer have drivers on their website? Samsung does.
[12:37] <mebaran> if you want to risk it
[12:38] <mebaran> I think that Canon has them in japanese
[12:38] <mebaran> I remember trying in Debian
[12:38] <r3v3rb> ouch that wont help me
[12:38] <r3v3rb> japanese is not a good language for me
[12:38] <mebaran> r3v3rb: most of the huge dependency problems have been ironed out
[12:38] <mebaran> oh no
[12:38] <mebaran> Haory is not in japanese
[12:38] <r3v3rb> lol
[12:39] <mebaran> the print drivers for Canon are in Japanese
[12:39] <r3v3rb> but where is it to be found ?
[12:39] <scaroo> r3v3rb, 'sudo sed "s/warty/hoary/ /etc/apt/sources.lst"
[12:39] <r3v3rb> can i do an apt install ?
[12:39] <r3v3rb> of hoary ?
[12:39] <scaroo> then apt-get update
[12:39] <scaroo> then apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:39] <r3v3rb> nice
[12:40] <r3v3rb> ubuntu gets better and better
[12:40] <scaroo> ouch i forgot a "
[12:40] <scaroo> sudo sed "s/warty/hoary/" /etc/apt/sources.lst
[12:40] <r3v3rb> lmao, no just misplaced it at the end there
[12:40] <r3v3rb> rces.lst"
[12:41] <brian_> can anyone ecplain to me how to install mouse themes?
[12:41] <scaroo> r3v3rb, i meant sources.list
[12:41] <adamZ> mebaran: http://www.turboprint.de/english.html says it supports the i950.
[12:41] <adamZ> looks like non-free though
[12:42] <scaroo> adamZ, the i810 xorg driver should support it
[12:42] <brian_> whats that turbo print thing? does it support winprinters?
[12:43] <r3v3rb> scaroo - i get grief about uncomenting stuff when sed'ing ? worry about it or just carry on ?
[12:44] <adamZ> no idea, I just googled it
[12:45] <scaroo> r3v3rb, i think you can go on, but to be sure check the content of the file
[12:45] <mebaran> anyone know how I could fudge the driver for the Canon i950 I own
[12:45] <r3v3rb> r3v3rb@ubuntu:~ $ apt-get update
[12:45] <r3v3rb> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[12:45] <r3v3rb> bugger
[12:45] <scaroo> sudo :)
[12:45] <r3v3rb> haha!
[12:46] <mebaran> r3v3rb: are you root
[12:46] <scaroo> mebaran, "$"
[12:46] <r3v3rb> i am now !
[12:47] <r3v3rb> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:47] <r3v3rb> Reading Package Lists... Done
[12:47] <r3v3rb> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[12:47] <r3v3rb> Calculating Upgrade... Done
[12:47] <r3v3rb> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:47] <r3v3rb> hmmm. wierd
[12:47] <tvon|desk> There is a repository for debian somewhere that has updated mono packages (somewhat usable in hoary).  I don't recall where I found it before, anyone have it now?
[12:48] <tvon|desk> well, I'm just saying "somewhat", they should work fine
[12:48] <scaroo> r3v3rb, oops i mislead you : sudo sed "s/warty/hoary/" /etc/apt/sources.list > /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:50] <imapony> sup
[12:51] <scaroo> seems i too tired to be trustful :/ gonna have some sleep, good luck r3v3rb !
[12:51] <imapony> ubuntu is pretty fast
[12:51] <scaroo> tvon, alioth ?
[12:51] <r3v3rb> no joy. will wait for iso
[12:51] <r3v3rb> nm.
[12:51] <imapony> Fedora was unusable on this box
[12:51] <r3v3rb> have to terminal it methinks
[12:51] <r3v3rb> fedora is dogs poo on this lappy too
[12:52] <r3v3rb> ubuntu is the new king of distro's imho
[12:52] <imapony> I just installed it, but so far I think its great
[12:53] <r3v3rb> picked up my painful wireless pcmcia card during install - no other has done that yet
[12:58] <imapony> I am going to have to run the installer again though, cause I don't remember selecting a root pass durring the install
[12:58] <MoreLikeAlfie> hi. I have a problem getting warty to install on a new homebuilt machine, it's not picking up my cdrom, even tho it boots to the installer!
[12:58] <evilmegaman> Is hoary stable at all? and if not, can I get X.org in Warty?
[12:59] <evilmegaman> Same here MoreLikeAlfie
[12:59] <evilmegaman> :(
[12:59] <adamZ> imapony: there is no root pass, you use sudo with your user password
[12:59] <evilmegaman> I am glad someone else has that problem!
[01:00] <MoreLikeAlfie> evilmegaman, any ideas on how to proceed with debugging the issue
[01:00] <evilmegaman> Does anyone have any reccomendations for me and MoreLikeAlfie? and nope :(
[01:01] <spunout> why don't I have a modprobe.conf?? I have a modprobe.d....
[01:05] <benjanet> im getting segmentation fault on XMMS
[01:06] <evilmegaman> Is there a way to do a network install?
[01:14] <suzan> anyone got midi working with ubuntu?
[01:15] <neighborlee> suzan, sadly I dont  have midi keyboard..I want one badly but
[01:16] <neighborlee> suzan, have you treid rosegarden ?...it looks sweet..anyway just cuirous but I doubt I can help :(
[01:16] <suzan> i don't have a midi-keyboard either, but i want to do hard-disk rekording
[01:16] <suzan> yes i've tried rosegarden
[01:16] <suzan> but no midi will work on my computer
[01:16] <suzan> i don't know if it's just the sound on board card or whatever
[01:17] <suzan> can you hear a simple midi-file?
[01:25] <brian_> hmm im running ubuntu fine with no swap
[01:26] <brian_> is it possible to use the ubuntudisk as a partitioning tool?
[01:30] <randabis> it could be semi useful I suppose
[01:30] <randabis> however, it can't resize partitions
[01:30] <mebaran> how do you restart cups
[01:31] <mebaran> without a total reboot
[01:31] <subterrific> has anyone noticed any problems recently with 32bit nvidia-glx on hoary amd64?
[01:31] <subterrific> i've got a 32bit glxinfo and it segfaults on launch, the strange thing is that i can run hl2 in cedega fine
[01:32] <mebaran> why are using 32 bit nvidia glx on hoary amd64
[01:32] <mebaran> they have a native 64 bit driver in the repositories
[01:33] <subterrific> to run 32bit gl applications...
[01:33] <stuNNed> subterrific, how does hl2 run in cedega btw?
[01:33] <mebaran> oooooohhhhh
[01:33] <subterrific> stuNNed: great for me
[01:33] <BrettMeister> Anyone here in the Okla. or Oklahoma City area?
[01:33] <zerokarmaleft> BrettMeister, i live in tulsa
[01:33] <evilmegaman> am I able to get X.org on Warty?
[01:34] <mebaran> how does one restart cups
[01:34] <subterrific> evilmegaman: no
[01:34] <stuNNed> evilmegaman, probly not unless you compile it yourself, but xfree in warty is heavily patched and nice, nonetheless
[01:35] <BrettMeister> zerokarmaleft: Do you know of anyone or place in the OkC area that has one of the Ubu install disks?
[01:35] <knghtbrd> hmm, ubuntu has a non-free section.  How is it handled, in comparison to Debian's non-free?
[01:35] <randabis> I think it's virtually the same
[01:37] <knghtbrd> Difference being that Debian supports their non-free, it would seem
[01:37] <knghtbrd> (I know that Debian does, from experience)
[01:37] <knghtbrd> indication is that Ubuntu does not
[01:42] <BrettMeister> Anyone know of a place close to Oklahoma U.S. where I can get a reliable install disk?
[01:42] <mebaran> I got the gimp print driver to work
[01:42] <mebaran> but it prints all the pages the wrong size
[01:42] <mebaran> what can I do
[01:43] <mebaran> the S600 driver works a tad better
[01:43] <mebaran> but not much
[01:43] <knghtbrd> BrettMeister: I bet if you ask, you can probably get a set sent to you  =)
[01:44] <BrettMeister> knghtbrd: I could sign up at the Ubu site; but, that takes forever.  I actually burnt my own back in the fall, but it had some kind of flaw in it.
[01:44] <mebaran> the s600 driver does it right
[01:44] <mebaran> but doesnt offer all the paper options
[01:45] <t31> hi, just a quick question, im trying to do: sudo shutdown -h -t7000, what am i doing wrong?
[01:46] <BrettMeister> Will someone be willing to send a set of install disks to me here in Okla., U.S.?
[01:46] <knghtbrd> BrettMeister: are you running an OS that has the md5sum utility?
[01:46] <evilmegaman> is hoary stable?
[01:46] <stuNNed> evilmegaman, no
[01:46] <evilmegaman> Oh. Not at all?
[01:46] <stuNNed> no, very unstable
[01:46] <Tsjoklat> far from it
[01:46] <evilmegaman> Oh ok. I guess it's a bit different than Debian eh?
[01:47] <knghtbrd> hoary == unstable
[01:47] <BrettMeister> knghtbrd: Yea...but the Fc1 distro that I have has a bunch of beta burning junk on it that doesn't work right now.  Wish I had a reliable disk.
[01:47] <knghtbrd> =)
[01:47] <knghtbrd> BrettMeister: md5sum the disc to be sure that it is indeed a usable image
[01:48] <knghtbrd> BrettMeister: if so, you might be able to burn the image with something other than FC
[01:48] <BrettMeister> knghtbrd: I have the original file on my Windows laptop.  Also, I have a knoppix disk that works pretty well.
[01:49] <BrettMeister> knghtbrd: The Windows machine does not have burner hardware.
[01:49] <subterrific> well restarting and reinstalling nvidia-glx fixed glinfo32 crash, but i still can't run enemy territory...
[01:49] <lavigj_> quick question for y'all. Does anyone here use .Xdefaults to modify aterms appearance?
[01:50] <t31> any idea about the shutdown command?
[01:50] <lavigj_> t31: what about it?
[01:50] <knghtbrd> are there currently special instructions to upgrade to hoary or is it basically just adjust apt, let it go, and prepare to fix things as they happen?
[01:50] <knghtbrd> (university rocks!)
[01:52] <t31> lavigj: im trying to shutdown the pc after watch a long movie, i think i remember was just, sudo shutdown -h -t7000 for a shutdown in 2 hours more or less
[01:52] <lavigj_> t31: I think that's right... I am not sure if you need a space after the -t
[01:52] <dataw0lf> t31: the 'time' argument is mandatory.
[01:53] <BrettMeister> Anyone in the U.S. willing to send me a reliable install disk for Warty?
[01:53] <daniels> knghtbrd: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[01:53] <lavigj_> t31: I am also pretty sure it is measured in seconds.... that may be a bit long too
[01:53] <knghtbrd> daniels: thanks, I was poking around looking for that.
[01:53] <lavigj_> t31: nm, 2 hours is 7200 seconds
[01:53] <gabaug> you could just do `sleep 2h && sudo halt` ... though sudo will ask you for your password unless you change it..
[01:54] <t31> yes but what does it means mandatory, has to be first
[01:54] <evilmegaman> Will warty EVER be able to use X.org? or never ever?
[01:54] <lavigj_> t31: I think that how you have it will be fine. I routinely use shutdown -r now to reastart.
[01:55] <lavigj_> anyone in here know how to customize aterm?
[01:55] <anlar> Hi guys. What are the default username/passwords on the hoary beta livecd? Can't get in. :)
[01:56] <knghtbrd> daniels: ahh, that schedule looks excellent, especially if there's the manpower to deliver it on time
[01:56] <daniels> knghtbrd: sure
[01:57] <daniels> anlar: 'root', no password
[01:57] <t31> sudo shutdown -h -t 7000 time?
[01:57] <lavigj_> t31: I think that will work
[01:57] <anlar> daniel: Indeed. The documentation I have found says the password(s) should be blank but it doesn't seem so. Doesn't work :)
[01:57] <jdub> on time? on time? of *course* it will be on time! :)
[01:57] <t31> lavigj it doesnt
[01:57] <daniels> anlar: weird
[01:58] <derek_> hello folks
[01:58] <daniels> evilmegaman: never -- it's been and gone.  hoary, which is due in april, will have it.
[01:58] <lavigj_> t31: does it return an error?
[01:58] <evilmegaman> Oh ok :)
[01:59] <evilmegaman> thanks daniels.
[01:59] <anlar> daniels: Indeed. I just downloaded it to check if the jfs/xfs etc modules will be around soon so I can throw away Knoppix as the system diagnostics and repair disc.. :p there seems to be couple "tiny bugs" around though :)
[01:59] <lavigj_> t31: also, you might want to run "shutdown -c" to cancel any shutdowns that may be going.
[01:59] <t31> lavigj Usage:    shutdown [-akrhHPfnc]  [-t secs]  time [warning message] 
[01:59] <t31>  and then time argument is mandatory
[01:59] <derek_> I am a newbie with an audio problem. Anyone care to help?
[01:59] <evilmegaman> derek_ make sure pcm is up
[01:59] <lavigj_> t31: alright, one sec...
[02:00] <derek_> don't know what that means, sorry
[02:00] <t31> lavigj ok
[02:00] <derek_> the installer doesn't find my audio card
[02:00] <evilmegaman> Oh then it's a different problem derek_ I don't know about that
[02:00] <splinux> hi
[02:00] <lavigj_> t31: try shutdown -h +120 (for 2 hours from now)
[02:00] <anlar> daniels: Incorrect username or password :I
[02:01] <splinux> logout
[02:01] <splinux> sorry
[02:01] <subterrific> does anyone have enemy territory or quake3 working on amd64?
[02:01] <lavigj_> t31: you can do any number of minutes, just +minutes
[02:01] <derek_> anybody else?
[02:02] <derek_> well thanks anyway
[02:02] <t31> lavigj seems to work, just doesnt returns to the prompt, so maybe is waiting?
[02:02] <lavigj_> t31: that's probably right.
[02:02] <lavigj_> t31: anyway, gotta go. hope that helps ya
[02:03] <dr_willis> Hmm
[02:03] <dr_willis> Some how vi got 'removed' or somthing. :P had to apt-get install vim to get it back. odd.
[02:04] <t31> lavigj thx a lot, quite useful command when u want to joy a movie and dont care if u fall asleep b4 ends :)
[02:05] <Skwid_> anybody on intel chipset ?
[02:05] <anlar> I got i865G
[02:06] <Skwid_> anlar: SWEET
[02:06] <Skwid_> have the same one :)
[02:06] <Skwid_> did you get 3d acceleration working ?
[02:07] <anlar> Yes. With a 2.6 kernel and x.org.. No problems whatsoever. Though the chipset is quite slow in reality.
[02:07] <Skwid_> anlar: oh !! how ???
[02:07] <Skwid_> i'm on Xorg too
[02:08] <anlar> I used the drm/dri cvs sources with the building instructions from their wiki
[02:08] <Skwid_> anlar: can i have the url ?
[02:09] <anlar> http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Building
[02:09] <Skwid_> what do i need
[02:09] <Skwid_> drm or dri ?
[02:09] <anlar> Both. And correct kernel stuff :)
[02:10] <Gwildor> anyone here try feather linux?
[02:10] <Skwid_> hum ...
[02:10] <Skwid_> i'm on hoary
[02:10] <anlar> if hoary has agpcart/intel_mch_agp, it'll do fine. but I haven't got in yet :)
[02:11] <Skwid_> what do you mean ?
[02:11] <anlar> Just some problems. :)
[02:11] <Skwid_> can you help me ? :(
[02:12] <dr_willis> heh
[02:12] <Skwid_> anlar: i don't want to compile Xorg as it's already installed
[02:13] <GuBA> Hello... I need install my winmodem HSP56 MR in my Ubuntu ... help me please!!!
[02:15] <dr_willis> winmodems.. Ugh. :O the bane of linux.
[02:15] <svend> My cdrom is not automounting.  It is a scsi, and mounts correctly if I mount it from the command line.
[02:16] <Skwid_> http://www.fedora-france.org/
[02:16] <Skwid_> ahah
[02:17] <robertj> anyone here have any suggestions on easy ways to turn the power on and off to some paripherals in an automated fashion?
[02:17] <dr_willis> automated how ? what devices
[02:17] <robertj> (ie. supposing you were stuck with a really crappy cable modem that needed rebooting 3 times a week)
[02:18] <dr_willis> ewww
[02:18] <robertj> dr_willis: i'd like to power cycle my cable modem automatically when linkdead
[02:18] <subterrific> robertj: use somekind of smarthome/x10 thing
[02:18] <dr_willis> a little $7 gizmo can turn it on/off several times a day
[02:18] <dr_willis> a more pricy one can be programed for a weekly routine
[02:18] <robertj> dr_willis: i'd rather it only cycle when down though
[02:18] <dr_willis> got one for my  porch
[02:18] <dr_willis> when whats down?
[02:18] <dr_willis> :P
[02:19] <robertj> if I can't ping the isp's boxen then I want to power cycle it
[02:19] <dr_willis> ya could get fancy with a X10 module or 2 and a serial-remote.
[02:19] <dr_willis> but thats a bit more $$
[02:19] <roothorick> heh
[02:19] <dr_willis> would be cheaper to go buy a new cable modem :P  seen them for uunder $50
[02:19] <roothorick> are the x10s worth it?
[02:19] <robertj> usb would also be preferred if supported
[02:20] <robertj> and also, x10 is not preferred
[02:21] <bj_> hello?
[02:21] <knghtbrd> Is ubuntu's grub compiled with splashimage support?
[02:21] <bj_> how come nickserve let me in here? i didnt send it a pass
[02:21] <stuNNed> knghtbrd, you can add splashimage it's just not there, in menu.lst
[02:22] <knghtbrd> hence why I asked about support
[02:22] <knghtbrd> =)
[02:22] <knghtbrd> thanks  =)
[02:23] <stuNNed> knghtbrd, it's compiled in, yes, i'm sure :)
[02:24] <mojo> hi every1
[02:24] <mojo> long time no see
[02:24] <mojo> I miss u guys lots
[02:25] <ik-G4> oras
[02:25] <ik-G4> from surfers paradise? =)
[02:27] <dr_willis> hmm
[02:28] <robertj> can anyone think of a managable way to install every deb from your apt cache that was current on a certain day?
[02:28] <knghtbrd> ahh, the one annoyance of bluetooth rodents.
[02:29] <mojo> robertj: do a simple script and put it in cron
[02:29] <robertj> mojo: cron?
[02:30] <robertj> mojo: the purpose would be to revert to yoru old pkgs
[02:30] <mojo> robertj: oh, reverse heh
[02:30] <zerokarmaleft> anybody here have success scanning for SSID with a linksys wmp54g (rev 2, or other)?
[02:31] <zerokarmaleft> using ndiswrapper
[02:31] <mojo> robertj: man, u can write a simple script that using 'time' or 'date' command + 'apt-get' command and using any schedule engine such as 'cron' 'acron'
[02:32] <evilmegaman> after making sure the cd was perfect, ubuntu still doesn't find the cd drive drivers...
[02:33] <pipeline> robertj: dpkg -i /var/apt/cache/*
[02:33] <robertj> pipe: the trick would be only to catch the old stuff
[02:34] <robertj> but if you do it with a simple bash script your going to get your deps mixed up
[02:36] <robertj> the difficult part is you need the mtime of every dep of every file in the dir
[02:36] <knghtbrd> zerokarmaleft: you think your silly card is evil, you should see this netgear 802.11g router I have..
[02:37] <knghtbrd> it makes an excellent 802.11b router (of the typical home router appliance type)
[02:38] <knghtbrd> however, 802.11g cards tend to cause it to flake, crash, and you lose wireless access until you power cycle.  Stable firmware == 20 min workable time, Beta == about a week.
[02:38] <knghtbrd> yeah yeah Linksys blah blah, wasn't available when I bought this.
[02:39] <zerokarmaleft> i used to have a WRT54G with open firmware, but i decided to get the cable modem/router combo
[02:39] <zerokarmaleft> and its firmware sucks
[02:39] <robertj> zerokarma: I've got the 54g with stock, is the open firmware any more reliable?
[02:39] <zerokarmaleft> and possibly doesn't broadcast its damn SSID when i tell it too
[02:39] <mojo> gosh
[02:40] <mojo> I've got sick with the firmware of my Alcatel router
[02:40] <zerokarmaleft> robertj, there's some gee-whiz features that come with open firmware
[02:40] <knghtbrd> anyone who don't want theirs can send it here  =D
[02:40] <robertj> yeah, but is it more reliable?
[02:40] <knghtbrd> I know a guy who works on these things and can upgrade the diskonchip to let me put a decent firewall/router distribution on it
[02:40] <zerokarmaleft> i never had issues with either, so i can't really quantify that
[02:41] <zerokarmaleft> it's just as reliable, if that helps
[02:41] <knghtbrd> I'm a student though, and I have this technology addiction
[02:41] <knghtbrd> so I am both poor and always buying expensive toys, etc
[02:41] <robertj> kinghtbrd: in that case, my vote goes for the mac mini
[02:42] <knghtbrd> robertj: why?  I have a G5 tower.
[02:42] <robertj> think living room
[02:42] <knghtbrd> I have only ONE room
[02:42] <knghtbrd> it's 9' x 11'
[02:42] <zerokarmaleft> b/c you have a G5 tower
[02:42] <zerokarmaleft> sell it and buy a house
[02:43] <robertj> G5s are rip-offs
[02:43] <knghtbrd> actually, the G5 is not mine yet, technically.
[02:43] <lavigj_> is it possible to use fluxbox with ubuntu without extensive pain and suffering
[02:43] <lavigj_> ?
[02:43] <robertj> i'm in charge of 70 of em at work
[02:43] <knghtbrd> it is technically owned by the state of Oregon
[02:43] <pd> I have a G5 Tower
[02:43] <pd> and
[02:43] <knghtbrd> but it has this nice LCD on it (20" picture frame model)
[02:43] <pd> if bullets start flying... ill duck behind it
[02:44] <calc> knghtbrd: hi, haven't seen you in a while :)
[02:44] <robertj> calc: me neither, 256 is just anemic, but its only ~60ish to get the bump
[02:44] <knghtbrd> calc: don't let them install RAM.  Good grief, just don't EVEN ...
[02:44] <lavigj_> calc: my guess is that you can figure it out ok.
[02:44] <robertj> well edu, I don't price the normal prices
[02:44] <robertj> btw, I've had good lucking at ordering 9% below Edu Pricing on orders of 10 machiens or more
[02:44] <robertj> course we are usually ordering dualies with applecare so that's a lot of margin
[02:45] <knghtbrd> calc: I have been an exclusively Mac user for about two years
[02:45] <calc> robertj: its ~ $400 to get 1gb apple ram though
[02:45] <zerokarmaleft> "wlan0     No scan results" = suckage
[02:45] <calc> vs ~ $100-150 elsewhere
[02:45] <robertj> calc: I saw that, I was laughing my rear end off
[02:45] <knghtbrd> calc: School.  Requires MS Word, like everywhere else.
[02:45] <calc> knghtbrd: ah ok
[02:45] <robertj> Mac office is worse
[02:45] <robertj> Raise your hand if you have 30 gigs of Office 2004 fonts on your server
[02:45] <knghtbrd> I actually like Word v.X and later
[02:46] <calc> robertj: ah i remember you talking about that :)
[02:46] <robertj> Office v.X had issues with network home directoreis
[02:46] <lavigj_> calc: I am willing to bet that there is a way into the mac mini... I have not been able to see one but there has to be a way. if mac techs can, others can
[02:46] <robertj> it would bail if you tried to run something obscure, like Word and Excel at the same time
[02:46] <calc> lavigj_: oh they show it open on their site, if you open it voids your warranty though
[02:46] <knghtbrd> Mac Office 2004 doesn't like the partition schemes used to mount /Users as a seperate drive
[02:47] <knghtbrd> come to think of it, 10.3.5 didn't like it either
[02:47] <lavigj_> calc: I tend to end the warranty on pre-built machines rather quickly... I hadn't considered that a reason :)
[02:47] <robertj> calc: IMO Apple has done one thing right in the last year in terms of servicability, and that is making the iMac have a user replacable screen.
[02:47] <lavigj_> calc: I so understand why that would be a bad thing though
[02:47] <calc> robertj: aiui most of the imac is user servicable now, so i was surprised they won't let you even install ram on the mini
[02:47] <knghtbrd> calc: they won't?
[02:48] <knghtbrd> I haven't read that anywhere
[02:48] <robertj> i'd caution you though, I've had 13 service calls on 9 individual G5s this last year out of a lab of 16
[02:48] <Arkainium> wow, i decided to make a backup on a cd.  big mistake, it screwed up all my permissions.  :(  how do you guys usually do backups?
[02:48] <calc> knghtbrd: see above about voiding the warranty bit
[02:48] <knghtbrd> I've read people saying you probably can't
[02:48] <calc> knghtbrd: its on the apple mac mini tech spec page at the bottom in fine print
[02:48] <robertj> that's like over a 50% failure rate
[02:48] <robertj> it's going to be great next year with warranty
[02:48] <calc> you can't add bluetooth/wifi/ram without taking it in to apple authoried service
[02:48] <calc> er authorized
[02:49] <robertj> err without the warranty
[02:49] <lavigj_> calc: I suppose that's a reason to make my own mini-pc..... no OSX but it would also be no ATI either...
[02:49] <robertj> calc: although truthfully I would think bluetooth, wifi would be USB territory
[02:49] <calc> lavigj_: also would be roughly 2-5x the size ;)
[02:49] <robertj> if it werent' for the fact that I don't know of any good USB drivers for wifi
[02:49] <calc> the mac mini's biggest draw is its size
[02:49] <lavigj_> calc: it would be a bit bigger, but with a micro-atx setup, it still wouldn't be too bad
[02:49] <robertj> calc: how are the acoustics, that's what I want to know
[02:50] <zerokarmaleft> i'd like to see a server closet full of a metric fuckton of mac minis running open mosix
[02:50] <knghtbrd> lavigj_: Well, as I figure it, I have two macs, and I am happy with them.  So when I needed another machine that was cheap for development, I put together this $300 ASUS thingy
[02:50] <calc> lavigj_: micro-atx would be a whole lot bigger, i thought you meant something like a shuttle xpc, which only 3-5x the size
[02:50] <calc> a micro-atx is probably 10x the size in volume
[02:50] <ycco> knghtbrd: whoa, long time no type.
[02:50] <knghtbrd> it's not ATX.  It came with floppy and CDROM and AMD board and PSU and a case, $109.
[02:50] <robertj> zero: I thought about that, I wouldn't be suprised if we see a rack mount for them
[02:50] <lavigj_> knghtbrd: I have nothing against macs.... just I usually can't justify it.
[02:50] <calc> robertj: i don't think the mini even has a fan, not sure though
[02:50] <bassinboy> c
[02:50] <ycco> knghtbrd: it's me, occy (OctobrX)
[02:50] <ycco> :)
[02:50] <lavigj_> calc: one sec, let me check something
[02:50] <robertj> they make a rack mount for mounting two G5's vertically on a rack
[02:51] <bassinboy> firefox crash >:O
[02:51] <knghtbrd> ycco: TRAE!
[02:51] <ycco> knghtbrd: ;)
[02:51] <robertj> so there is always a chance someone will allow mac-mini racking
[02:51] <ycco> knghtbrd: I ran a Marathon today!  My first ever!
[02:51] <ycco> w00p
[02:51] <knghtbrd> heh, cool
[02:51] <ycco> http://fitgeek.org/  top post
[02:51] <krism> what creates /lib/modules/kernel.version/build ? (the build directory in 'kernel version')
[02:51] <ycco> knghtbrd: doing good bud?
[02:51] <knghtbrd> ycco: you still hanging around California?
[02:51] <ycco> knghtbrd: I wish, been back in GA for a while.
[02:52] <ycco> knghtbrd: occy.net  if you want to check out my site.
[02:52] <ycco> :)
[02:52] <robertj> ycco: where you at?
[02:52] <ycco> knghtbrd: also, check out my band too:   http://theinterference.com/  Listen to "Sooner or Later" and "Don't Come Back"
[02:52] <knghtbrd> not too bad actually, since you last saw me I got myself into a decent university and gave up CS/IT as a profession.
[02:52] <ycco> robertj: Macon
[02:52] <robertj> ahh, I'm @ UGA
[02:52] <ycco> knghtbrd: whoa.... a smart person.
[02:52] <lavigj_> calc: i suppose it is more than I thought it was. 18.75x7.25x16... I thought I could get a smaller case than that
[02:52] <ycco> I wish I could do something other than computers. :/
[02:53] <knghtbrd> Too much fighting over scraps, and the work:pay ratio is low as a result.
[02:53] <brian_> hey
[02:53] <ycco> robertj: cool beans.  My wife went there.
[02:53] <brian_> anyone here?
[02:53] <calc> lavigj_: you can get smaller but then you have to use low profile pci cards which are hard to come by
[02:53] <ycco> brian_: nope, just us chickens
[02:53] <knghtbrd> big salaries in California, but not bigger than cost of living.  Elsewhere?
[02:53] <robertj> i'm slackin it majorly
[02:53] <lavigj_> calc: true, but they are becomming more common.
[02:53] <brian_> can i use my ubuntu cd as a partitioning tool?
[02:53] <lavigj_> calc: I dunno, the mini-mac is pretty sweet
[02:53] <ycco> anyone here know how to get KDE installed with Ubuntu (My original reason to stop lurking)
[02:53] <ycco> heh
[02:53] <robertj> work here is posh when you get in
[02:53] <ycco> but it was nice to see an old friend ;)  knghtbrd
[02:53] <calc> whoa 10x was an underestimate on size difference
[02:54] <knghtbrd> $8-15/hour in Oregon is typical for tech workers, and they're all deemed overtime exempt.  No way.
[02:54] <ycco> knghtbrd: ugh
[02:54] <calc> my friends "small" microatx system is 17x the volume of the mac mini
[02:54] <ycco> knghtbrd: yah... I'm doing contract work now:  http://gotnerd.com/
[02:54] <robertj> ycco: yeah, add universe and multiverse to your repostiories and start apt-getting stuff
[02:54] <Riddell> ycco: use the universe repository and apt-get install kde-core
[02:54] <ycco> knghtbrd: if you ever know anyone that needs website design / devel, let me know ;)
[02:54] <ycco> Riddell: ahh, cool beans. tx
[02:55] <Riddell> ycco: kde 3.2 in warty, kde 3.3 in hoary
[02:55] <knghtbrd> ycco: I've also run into setuid..  He's now in New London, CT, looks like a biker with a shaved head, and has a wife and baby girl
[02:55] <brian_> apt-get install kde <--------that metapackage contains everything u need
[02:55] <ycco> Riddell: yah, on warty
[02:55] <ycco> brian_: wow... ok
[02:55] <ycco> knghtbrd: sweet
[02:56] <ycco> knghtbrd: today was my first Marathon every.
[02:56] <calc> even the shuttle xpc i was looking at getting is ~ 13x larger volume than it
[02:56] <lavigj_> Riddell: do you know if it is possible to use fluxbox with ubuntu?
[02:56] <ycco> knghtbrd: 26.2 miles!!!
[02:56] <knghtbrd> very nice
[02:56] <ycco> hehe
[02:56] <Riddell> lavigj_: can't say I've ever seen anyone in here asking how to  install fluxbox :)
[02:57] <knghtbrd> setuid and I do Palm/Linux stuff (well, rather, he does Linux, I do MacOS X)
[02:57] <ycco> knghtbrd: make sure you listen to this song...   I want to know what you think:    http://theinterference.com/music/mp3/shadow_sessions1/ti-sooner_or_later.mp3
[02:57] <bassinboy> are there any ubuntu packages for a newer firefox?
[02:57] <brian_> like i asked...can i use my ubuntu cd as a partitioning tool?
[02:57] <ycco> knghtbrd: triple your money back if you aren't 100% happy
[02:57] <ycco> knghtbrd: ;)
[02:57] <knghtbrd> whadizit?
[02:57] <brian_> or after in done with my partition will it gostr8 to install..i cant 'member
[02:57] <brian_> im*
[02:57] <jdub> bassinboy: in the development branch, sure. but warty is stable and supported, so gets security and high-impact bugfixes only.
[02:57] <lavigj_> Riddell: hehehe. what can I say, gentoo junkie at heart, but I am pretty pleased with the package management in ubunut, now that I have new repositories. Just looking for some more things to streamline and make it more my own. gnome is not too bad though
[02:57] <ycco> knghtbrd: a song from our band.  I'm singing and playing bass
[02:59] <Riddell> lavigj_: if you have any suggestions for improvements to the KDE build let me know
[02:59] <bassinboy> jdub: would it be ok to add dev sources on warty?
[02:59] <bassinboy> jdub: my firefox is crashing :P
[02:59] <lavigj_> Riddell: if I install it, I will see what i can suggest. I am not quite newb any more, but I am certainly not a guru either :)
[02:59] <robertj> is there a good channel for foreign language/keymap issues?
[02:59] <jdub> bassinboy: no, it's not worth mixing repositories. more trouble than its worth.
[02:59] <jdub> bassinboy: can you get a core file or something?
[03:00] <knghtbrd> ycco: I didn't know you could sing..  hehe
[03:00] <ycco> knghtbrd: I am the bomb
[03:00] <ycco> :)
[03:01] <K-Rich> anyone here succeed in getting a niash based scanner to function under warty?
[03:01] <brian_> hey lavig_j is gentoo hard to install or does it generally just take loing?
[03:01] <ycco> jdub: heyaz
[03:01] <jdub> morning
[03:01] <bassinboy> jdub: core file?
[03:02] <jdub> bassinboy: it's a big hunk of memory that process can dump out when they crash
[03:02] <jdub> bassinboy: do ulimit -c 0
[03:02] <jdub> bassinboy: and in the same shell, run firefox
[03:02] <jdub> bassinboy: if it crashes, you'll get a core file in that directory
[03:02] <knghtbrd> brian_: I found Gentoo was hard to install only because they needed a set of instructions on a 3x5 index card rather than a whole website designed for windows users  ;)
[03:03] <ycco> brian_: will it make KDM the default the fault session mgr?
[03:03] <manoletux> alguien de aqui tiene un ACER 4002 wlmi, y le ha puesto ya ubuntu??
[03:03] <bassinboy> jdub: the 0 dir?
[03:03] <manoletux> somebody has proved Ubuntu in an ACER 4002 lwmi????
[03:04] <jdub> bassinboy: -c 0 means "let processes dump unlimited size core files"
[03:04] <jdub> bassinboy: otherwise they don't dump at all
[03:04] <knghtbrd> I mean literally.  "partition your drives, mount them, unpack this tarball into them, chroot into it, run these commands, edit these files, compile a kernel, setup grub or lilo"
[03:04] <manoletux> somebody has tested Ubuntu in an ACER 4002 lwmi????
[03:04] <bassinboy>  oh, heh, i get it, thanks jdub
[03:04] <knghtbrd> if you can't do those things, you have no business trying to figure out how to work with a distribution that has no installer
[03:04] <bassinboy> manoletux: search the ubuntu site
[03:04] <brian_> oh well i'll stay away from gentoo i barely got ubuntu installed
[03:04] <manoletux> oh
[03:04] <manoletux> yeah
[03:05] <knghtbrd> the only part there that is really all that important is the commands (env-update and the like) becasue they're Gentooisms and the files you need to edit because you probably want a list of those.
[03:07] <knghtbrd> ycco: You guys have a good sound
[03:07] <ycco> knghtbrd: hey bud, thanks very much
[03:07] <ycco> I wish jdub would include our songs in the distro. :)
[03:08] <bassinboy> is 60hz refresh rate hazardous to my health?
[03:08] <brian_> for me it hurts my eyes
[03:09] <brian_> then again a tv goes at 60hz
[03:09] <knghtbrd> bassinboy: not on my LCD it isn't (but that's because my LCD doesn't really have a refresh rate)
[03:09] <brian_> and tv doesnt hurt my eyes lol
[03:09] <brian_> yea thats true
[03:10] <bassinboy> oh
[03:10] <brian_> like if you look at an lcd flat screen with ur perripheral vision you wont see any flicker
[03:10] <jdub> bassinboy: a crt running at 60Hz will give you headaches or frustrate your eyes
[03:10] <jdub> bassinboy: you should run at the highest refresh rate possible for your resolution/monitor
[03:10] <knghtbrd> CRT at 100Hz gives me headaches
[03:10] <benkong2> anyone use getmail here?
[03:10] <brian_> thats why im stuck at 800x600 cuz my 1024 only goes up to 60hz :D
[03:11] <bassinboy> heh, i have an old LCD
[03:12] <siimo> anyone run hoary ?
[03:12] <siimo> why is the text in nautilus icons zooed out as well as well as icons
[03:12] <knghtbrd> oh, someone refresh my memory..  How does one tell X to run at a particular DPI given gdm/startx ?
[03:13] <sanzky> hi, i have problems installing gstreamer0.8-mad , apt cant fin the package
[03:13] <knghtbrd> there was some file on Debian systems and I don't remember what it was
[03:15] <ycco> bbiab.
[03:15] <ycco> knghtbrd: be good if I don't see you ;)
[03:15] <ycco> knghtbrd: very good seeing you again. ;)
[03:15] <Faustus> sanzky: sudo apt-get update if not it might be in a restricted branch
[03:15] <knghtbrd> hah, fat chance of that.
[03:16] <Faustus> I installed it fine,
[03:16] <Faustus> didn't think so
[03:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone know to install autofs in ubuntu?
[03:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't know where to put autofs and what not?
[03:17] <socomm> Whatis autofs?
[03:17] <siimo> anyone use icon zooming in nautilus??
[03:17] <siimo> this is stuffed up in Hoary
[03:18] <siimo> the icon text font size becomes smaller to smaller than the specified font size in font preferences
[03:18] <socomm> siimo: icons need to be in SVG format.
[03:18] <siimo> socomm, what?
[03:18] <knghtbrd> ahh, found it
[03:18] <siimo> socomm, i have no problems with icons
[03:19] <siimo> its the icon label text that also reduces size
[03:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> autofs..you know, the automount daemon?
[03:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> so if i cd into /mnt/cdrom, it mounts it.
[03:19] <nkm> hi, anybody helps me with cedega installation?
[03:20] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: you're better off avoiding that and using hal/g-v-m as installed and configured by default
[03:21] <robertj> whee, gnoem is much happier with all the dotfiles moved out of the way
[03:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm having a keymap problem.  whenever i start, my arrow keys don't work.  if i run xev i see that they are being read as "XF86AudioPrev", the signal to play the previous audio track.  I have mapped mod4-arrowX to those commands, but i'm not holding down mod4.  if i open up keyboard settings and make any changes, and then set it right back to the way it was, everythin works again..until i reboot.
[03:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> why is it better to use that jdub?
[03:23] <benjamindees> is there a list of packages that are different in Ubuntu vs. Debian Woody?
[03:23] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: because it works well, is set up for you already, and isn't a terrible hack like autofs. it's the modern way of doing it.
[03:23] <jdub> benjamindees: dude, *everything* is different vs. woody
[03:23] <benjamindees> jdub, eww...
[03:23] <jdub> benjamindees: ubuntu is a branch of sid, warty froze around june last year
[03:23] <benjamindees> jdub, oh, sid even...
[03:24] <jdub> why "eww"? woody is very long in the tooth, of course things are going to be different
[03:24] <benjamindees> okay, that clears it up... thanks
[03:24] <jdub> see the changelog of packages with ubuntu in their version
[03:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> i thought autofs was the way that wasn't the terrible hack.
[03:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> hmm...
[03:25] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: for particular use cases, sure. but not for removable storage.
[03:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> so i should google "hal"?
[03:25] <jdub> hal and g-v-m are set up for you if you install the desktop
[03:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> and does the keyboard problem say anything to you?
[03:25] <jdub> preferences > removable storage
[03:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> where are the config files.
[03:26] <nkm> anybody helps me with cedega installation plz ?
[03:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't like editing things graphically.
[03:26] <jdub> use gconf-editor
[03:26] <robertj> benjamindees: that's kinda like asking what's different between a Model T and a Taurus ;)
[03:26] <jdub> or gconftool-2, if you're that masochistic
[03:26] <zenrox> jdub,  lol
[03:27] <stuNNed> what directory are the boot runlevel init scripts in?
[03:27] <randabis> nkm #cedega
[03:28] <benjamindees> robertj, at the risk of getting klined, I'll reserve my response ;)
[03:29] <nkm> randabis, thnx
[03:29] <randabis> np
[03:30] <knghtbrd> that's just evil  ;)
[03:30] <zenrox> knghtbrd,  i liked that feature
[03:30] <Lethorion> hi guys
[03:30] <zenrox> hehehe
[03:31] <knghtbrd> zenrox: haha, I just figured it is a slight installer bug, reported a million times over
[03:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> jdub: so this hal thing would work even if i didn't start x or anything?
[03:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> knghtbrd: what do you mean?
[03:31] <jdub> knghtbrd: it does not default to doing that, it is selected as the default choice between it and manually partition
[03:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> i manually partitioned to keep my old home partition.
[03:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> from slackware.
[03:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> why did i ever use slackware?
[03:32] <knghtbrd> jdub: I assume future versions will have a "do soemthing intelligent with free space" option?
[03:32] <zenrox> dont know BROKEN_LADDER  you tell us we will help your adiction
[03:32] <jdub> knghtbrd: if you choose manually partition, it provides that as a menu item
[03:33] <jdub> knghtbrd: it will most likely be on the initial menu if sufficient free space is found
[03:33] <jdub> in future
[03:33] <knghtbrd> jdub: *nod*
[03:34] <knghtbrd> I had no choice but to manually partition.  I need to have room for two Linuxes, FreeBSD, and something substantially more evil.  (Palm Simulators require something evil)
[03:34] <zenrox> lol
[03:34] <Elk_Brad> try that on VMware knghtbrd
[03:34] <zenrox> windose
[03:34] <knghtbrd> Elk_Brad: I won't pay extra for the ability to run crap.
[03:35] <drspin> what package do I need to for Sound Juicer to rip to mp3?
[03:35] <knghtbrd> My evil license was evilly given to me by an evil person who had evil extra copies
[03:35] <zenrox> lol
[03:35] <knghtbrd> actually, I'm glad he did.  Win00 is about the most stable evil of the lot.
[03:36] <zenrox> thats the dark side right or do i need to open a window
[03:36] <Elk_Brad> i have Ubuntu, Mandrake, RedHat9, and Debian, as well as Dos6.22
[03:36] <Elk_Brad> all on WinXp :)
[03:36] <zenrox> knghtbrd, have you tried win2k3
[03:36] <knghtbrd> zenrox: 'ell no!
[03:36] <Lethorion> how come kde apps are so... bloated? the text is alot bigger then gnome apps, anyone know how I might fix this?
[03:36] <knghtbrd> I don't even want to try win00
[03:36] <zenrox> lol
[03:36] <drspin> elk: vmware?
[03:37] <Elk_Brad> Virtual machine
[03:37] <knghtbrd> It's one thing for software to be closed source.  It's another thing for it to be closed source and CRAP.
[03:37] <Elk_Brad> software
[03:37] <Elk_Brad> well its been pretty good for me, since itwas free
[03:37] <Riddell> Lethorion: big text doesn't really have anything to do with feature bloat, font sizes can be changed in kcontrol
[03:37] <Elk_Brad> i have a free licences
[03:37] <Elk_Brad> -s
[03:38] <jdub> knghtbrd: keep it nice and on-topic please
[03:38] <Lethorion> thanks
[03:38] <knghtbrd> heh
[03:39] <Elk_Brad> but i am curious as to why i can't use my USB drive in Ubuntu...even goin to removable media doesn't help..its something i can't figure out...
[03:40] <Elk_Brad> haven't tried it in Mandrake...but i was hopeing to use it in Ubuntu
[03:40] <knghtbrd> anyway, the main OS for this machine is Linux, and Ubuntu wins for the time being.
[03:40] <knghtbrd> It's like Debian, only ... you can install the stable version on a system with something newer than ATA66  ;)
[03:41] <Elk_Brad> anyone have ideas on how to get a USB drive to work?
[03:41] <knghtbrd> Elk_Brad: do you have usb-storage.ko loaded?
[03:41] <knghtbrd> Elk_Brad: it should load also SCSI and SCSI disk modules
[03:41] <sladen> Elk_Brad: plug it in, it should just pop up on the deskotp
[03:42] <Elk_Brad> the hard drive VM ware is using is a SCSI HD
[03:42] <robertj> is combining diacriticals still kinda iffy or have things settled odwn?
[03:42] <robertj> sladen: you don't have to mount it?
[03:43] <sladen> robertj: no.  This is Ubuntu.  Welcome to the 21st Century
[03:43] <Elk_Brad> you would think that plugging it in and it would pop up is the typical way...but it didn't
[03:43] <Elk_Brad> where would i find usb-storage.ko?
[03:44] <sladen> Elk_Brad: righto, so we have a issue.  what does  sudo tail -f /var/log/messages   as you plug in the device.
[03:44] <robertj> sladen: where do they mount to?
[03:44] <sladen> robertj: just type   pmount sda
[03:44] <Elk_Brad> well i'll check that when i go home..no im at good'ol earthlink working hard with DSL line issues :)
[03:45] <Elk_Brad> now* not no
[03:45] <sladen> robertj: it'll automagically mount it on  /media  ...unless something is broken?
[03:45] <robertj> I seem to remember manually mounting a drive in an enclosure
[03:46] <Elk_Brad> anyone know if Ubuntu supports DVD devices? i keep getting a failed on the startup when it tries to find it
[03:46] <Elk_Brad> it reads the drive , but i can't get it to play DVDs
[03:47] <Elk_Brad> also....i forgot the name of the program but the media program to play avi's crashes each time i use it
[03:47] <mjr> you need libdvdcss2 for playing most dvds, thank insane laws for it not being in the main distribution
[03:47] <drspin> my music still skips :(
[03:47] <mjr> see the restrictedformats wiki page on getting it
[03:48] <sladen> Elk_Brad: access the DVDs.  Or play the video onthe CDs?
[03:48] <drspin> ripping @ 1.7x :( :( could anyone help me speed this up?
[03:48] <robertj> brb
[03:48] <Elk_Brad> sudo tail -f /var/log/messages <----------------what will that display and what am i looking for?
[03:48] <hacim> I am trying to burn a warty .iso, I've got a USB CD-RW hooked up and recognized, cdrecord -scanbus shows the device at 0,0,0 -- but when I try to do cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=0,0,0 warty.iso I get this error:
[03:48] <hacim> Blocks total: 359849 Blocks current: 182891 Blocks remaining: -84775
[03:48] <hacim> cdrecord: WARNING: Data may not fit on current disk.
[03:48] <Elk_Brad> sladen: playing any movie format period
[03:49] <sladen> Elk_Brad: it should tell you whether it recognised the device as.  Did it recongnise it.  Did it load a module,  What device did it give it
[03:49] <Elk_Brad> i see ok sladen
[03:49] <Elk_Brad> i'll be sure to keep and eye for it
[03:49] <drspin> hacim: get and 800Mb CD ;)
[03:49] <sladen> Elk_Brad: So the DVD drive works.  Ubuntu can't ship MPEG2/decss software because of various patents and laws in various countries
[03:50] <Elk_Brad> oh
[03:50] <sladen> Elk_Brad: you can install them yourself.  Details on the wiki, but that choice is in your hands
[03:50] <Elk_Brad> well im in the US...so i guess im screwed...we do have strict laws...don't wanna hurt the industry
[03:50] <hacim> drspin: the warty iso is only about 524megs
[03:51] <drspin> hacim: it was worth a try... perhaps the driver that recognizes the drive isn't the right one...
[03:51] <hacim> it seems to be
[03:51] <randabis> maybe you aren't burning it as an iso
[03:51] <hacim> randabis: how do I specify that?
[03:52] <Elk_Brad> what is the whole point of the 'sudo' command?
[03:52] <randabis> I use k3b so I'm not sure how to do it with cdrecord
[03:52] <hacim> randabis: k3b tells you what cdrecord commands it uses
[03:52] <randabis> hmm let me check for you then
[03:52] <billytwowilly> hi, I'm getting an md5sum mismatch for one of the hoary repositories. how can I fix that?
[03:53] <sladen> Elk_Brad: the sudo allows *you* (that is 'Elk_Brad') to performs certain tasks as other users;  for instance, as root
[03:54] <randabis> if it does tell you, I don't see where
[03:54] <Elk_Brad> i see..i noticed that there isn't a root login for Ubuntu
[03:54] <randabis> there is...
[03:54] <sladen> Elk_Brad: correct.  Type   sudo apt-get install ...   for example
[03:54] <randabis> you have to give root a password
[03:55] <Elk_Brad> how do i give root a password?
[03:56] <jdub> Elk_Brad: if you really have to, sudo passwd
[03:56] <sladen> randabis: you have made that choice;  but other users may wish to use the shipping default provided by ubuntu, which is to use sudo---eg. Mac OSX does exactly the same
[03:56] <oak> sudo passwd root
[03:56] <jdub> Elk_Brad: but i'd recommend not doing so
[03:56] <hacim> how can I mount a CD on my USB cdrive?
[03:56] <jdub> Elk_Brad: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[03:56] <sladen> hacim: plug it in
[03:56] <randabis> sladen I just gave him a password, I don't ever use root
[03:57] <hacim> sladen: thats done
[03:57] <sladen> randabis: by doing that, you cause fun when trying to use single-user-mode
[03:57] <jdub> randabis: you may as well disable the password.
[03:58] <randabis> why?
[03:59] <jdub> because there's no point having root enabled
[03:59] <randabis> root's THE man though :p
[03:59] <jdub> randabis: and no one should be using root directly. that's why it's disabled (and should be).
[03:59] <sladen> randabis: it's another way into your system.  If you aren't using it, then probably safest to disable it again back to the default with   sudo passwd -l
[04:00] <mkerby> Dethread,were you in here two or three nights ago?
[04:00] <mkerby> I'm asking because I'm not sure if you're the person who helped me.
[04:00] <Elk_Brad> i like have root permissions
[04:00] <mkerby> If so, I just wanted to let you know how it turned out.
[04:00] <Elk_Brad> makes it easier for me to make changes
[04:00] <Elk_Brad> and its a snap to mess up ubuntu, and reinstall it in 20 mins
[04:00] <sladen> Elk_Brad: if you need to change something;   sudo chown foo.bar file
[04:00] <Elk_Brad> foobar :D
[04:01] <randabis> well, I did it just to make you happy :p
[04:01] <Elk_Brad> haha
[04:01] <jdub> Elk_Brad: that's what sudo is for.
[04:01] <sladen> Elk_Brad: it ensures that you only execute the commands you /actually/ need to execute as root, as root
[04:01] <Elk_Brad> haha i see
[04:01] <sladen> Elk_Brad: not all the ls's and less's etc
[04:01] <Elk_Brad> one of these days i'll be as proficient in command line unix as i am in dos
[04:03] <ZzeCoOl> when someone upgade to hoary then it open a dilog that saying something about debconf
[04:03] <ZzeCoOl> what kint of question i may choose there?
[04:03] <ZzeCoOl> critical?
[04:04] <jdub> choose high
[04:06] <calc> is ubuntu hoary universe archive known to be broken?
[04:06] <calc> note it is now... ;)
[04:07] <jdub> calc: possibly, there were some katie problems earlier
[04:08] <drspin> interesting scenario -- I can't use sudo to run this command :: echo "using_dma 1 0 1 rw" > /proc/ide/hdc/settings
[04:08] <hacim> how do I burn a CD in ubuntu?
[04:08] <gabaug> hacim: pop in a blank cd
[04:08] <gabaug> hacim: and drag  your files into the folder that pops up
[04:08] <jdub> hacim: if you insert a blank cd, a nautilus window will pop up for it
[04:08] <calc> jdub: the md5sum doesn't match
[04:08] <hacim> hmm
[04:08] <gabaug> hacim: then go File -> Burn, I believe
[04:09] <hacim> gabaug: well, my CD burner doesn't seem to be recognized
[04:09] <oak> to burn an iso just right lcik
[04:09] <gabaug> calc: I'm getting the same error
[04:09] <oak> burn to cd
[04:09] <hacim> gabaug: I cannot eject it
[04:09] <gabaug> hacim: right click on the CD icon on your desktop and choose 'Eject'
[04:10] <hacim> gabaug: there is no cd icon on the desktop
[04:10] <gabaug> hacim: but you're saying you have another (non-blank) cd in the drive?
[04:10] <hacim> gabaug: something is in there, I dont know if it is blank or not
[04:11] <mjr> try typing "eject" in a shell prompt
[04:11] <ZzeCoOl> jdub, last time i have choosed medium and most of the questions waz diff to aswer for me
[04:11] <ZzeCoOl> answer
[04:11] <ZzeCoOl> and i have to format my pc after all
[04:11] <gabaug> hacim: can you go to Places -> Computer and see if there's an icon there?
[04:11] <ZzeCoOl> so high gonna be a bigger mess though
[04:11] <hacim> gabaug: there is an icon there, but when i click on it, it says cannot mount
[04:11] <hacim> "unable to mount selected volume"
[04:12] <gabaug> hacim: and pressing the physical eject button on your drive doesn't work?
[04:12] <hacim> gabaug: it does now that I re-plugged in the drive
[04:12] <gabaug> hacim: what kind of plugin? usb/firewire/laptop?
[04:12] <hacim> gabaug: usb
[04:13] <gabaug> hacim: so you've got your old cd out?
[04:13] <hacim> gabaug: yes
[04:13] <drspin> could someonoe help me solve a CD drive problem???
[04:13] <gabaug> drspin: ask your question
[04:14] <gabaug> hacim: any luck putting in a new blank?
[04:14] <drspin> gabaug: I enable DMA with hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc :: doesn't work :: I enable dma with echo "using_dma 1 0 1 rw" > /proc/ide/hdc/settings :: also doesn't work
[04:14] <drspin> ...
[04:14] <drspin> I am so lst
[04:14] <setite> hey guys
[04:14] <hacim> gabaug: I think I put a blank in
[04:14] <setite> yay back to linux after a day of windows
[04:14] <hacim> gabaug: I can't really tell for sure if it is blank or not :)
[04:15] <setite> ive had trouble finding linux software to communicate with my cellphone
[04:15] <setite> im hoping this bitpim works
[04:15] <mojo_> is ur cellie bluetooth?
[04:15] <setite> nah
[04:15] <setite> i wish it was
[04:15] <maximaus> I've heard "kandy" works with cellies rather well, it's a KDE program.
[04:15] <gabaug> drspin: what kind of drive is it?
[04:16] <setite> kandy?
[04:16] <setite> never heard of it
[04:16] <setite> ill look it up
[04:16] <mojo_> ah well... my bro just got a new ericson... seems pretty neat.
[04:16] <setite> so far ive found bitpim
[04:16] <maximaus> yes, never used it, yeah give it a google.
[04:16] <drspin> gabaug: Samsung
[04:16] <hacim> gabaug: when I put a cd in, it doesn't pop up
[04:16] <mojo_> my old one had irda
[04:16] <setite> lg vx7000
[04:17] <maximaus> http://kandy.kde.org/
[04:17] <gabaug> drspin: how does it connect to your computer? usb?
[04:17] <setite> i usually get the free or 30 dollar cellphone
[04:17] <setite> but for some reason i got a 300 dollar cellphone this time
[04:17] <setite> i felt like a damn fool until i figured out how to hook it to the PC
[04:17] <setite> now i feel a little less stupid
[04:17] <drspin> gabaug: uh... IDE
[04:18] <setite> is kandy gonna screw my phone up?
[04:18] <setite> i mean my PC
[04:18] <setite> because that kde cd burning program did
[04:18] <setite> i forget its name
[04:18] <hacim> k3b
[04:18] <maximaus> really? I'm a gnome guy, but k3b works great on my box
[04:19] <drspin> Jan 14 18:56:41 localhost kernel: ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
[04:19] <maximaus> follow the how to on the ubuntu site to get it working wonderfully.
[04:19] <drspin> I SHOULD be in DMA on ALL of the drives in this system
[04:19] <setite> k3b messed me up
[04:20] <setite> i couldnt get into linux
[04:20] <maximaus> What did it do?
[04:20] <setite> because of the ICEauthority i think
[04:20] <maximaus> I certainly don't doub
[04:20] <maximaus> t it
[04:20] <setite> i would log in and it would say that session lasted less than 8 seconds
[04:20] <drspin> setite: you just had to remove that little .ICEauthority file that was causing the problem...
[04:20] <setite> bla bla bla could be due to low space
[04:20] <setite> well i did
[04:20] <setite> but im scared to run k3b now
[04:21] <floo> what is ICEauthority anyways?
[04:21] <setite> its pure evil
[04:21] <setite> thats what it is
[04:21] <maximaus> Ohmer, I remember having to toss that file as well, K3b worked fine after that.
[04:22] <IgnoranceIsBliss> really
[04:22] <IgnoranceIsBliss> well im still scared of it
[04:22] <IgnoranceIsBliss> shit bitpim wont run
[04:22] <maximaus> I only use k3b for audio cds anyhoo.
[04:22] <IgnoranceIsBliss> ImportError: No module named apsw
[04:22] <IgnoranceIsBliss> whats that
[04:23] <drspin> I will go back to windows if I can't get my cd drives working properly
[04:23] <randabis> is that a threat?!?!
[04:23] <randabis> :p
[04:23] <linuxn00b> Hi, is it possible to use a remote computer in my house to be able to stream music to my laptop or anyother computer?
[04:23] <floo> i was using eroaster.. it's not as good as k3b, but it's gnome.
[04:23] <pd> is there an irc application that i can keep running in the background, and use xchat to connect to it, and it "saves" my connection?
[04:23] <maximaus> damn, randabis that's what I was gonna say LOL
[04:23] <randabis> :)
[04:23] <drspin> randabis: LOL
[04:23] <mebaran> Is there anyway to make cups enlarge the output?
[04:24] <maximaus> floo, I had eroaster working great under Mandrake a year ago, but not with Ubuntu
[04:24] <randabis> use saucers
[04:24] <IgnoranceIsBliss> linuxnoob yes
[04:24] <drspin> I'm just frustrated because I MUCH prefer linux... things have never worked the way they should though and it's to a breaking point that I can't deal with it anymore...
[04:24] <linuxn00b> IgnoranceIsBliss, how can I do it???
[04:24] <IgnoranceIsBliss> i did it to my xbox via SMB over the network
[04:24] <mebaran> My cups setting seems to print the paper much too small.
[04:24] <floo> maximaus: what's wrong with it?
[04:24] <mebaran> Like only half size.
[04:24] <randabis> heh, my linux just works, can't relate
[04:24] <linuxn00b> is there any tutorials I can follow??
[04:24] <maximaus> LOL, just didn't work with Ubuntu out of the box, didn't explore it.
[04:25] <mebaran> I am using an S800 driver on my S900.
[04:25] <mebaran> maximous: what didnt work
[04:25] <IgnoranceIsBliss> sure... google samba file sharing
[04:25] <IgnoranceIsBliss> aka SMB file sharing
[04:25] <linuxn00b> ok
[04:25] <maximaus> Never mind, I forget LOL
[04:25] <randabis> i think it's in the ubuntu wiki too
[04:25] <maximaus> K3b works the odd time I burn an audio cd anyhow.
[04:25] <IgnoranceIsBliss> ANYONE KNOW SOME cellphone software?
[04:25] <knghtbrd> http://yumi.bluecherry.net/~knghtbrd/planet.png
[04:25] <floo> linuxn00b: try www.ubuntuguide.org  there's a section on samba file sharing
[04:26] <IgnoranceIsBliss> or can someone help me with bitpim
[04:26] <knghtbrd> suitable for xpm.gz'ing
[04:26] <linuxn00b> floo, alrigt :)
[04:26] <IgnoranceIsBliss> http://bitpim.sourceforge.net/
[04:26] <knghtbrd> it's not very good, but it's the best I can do without some better source material
[04:27] <drspin> how can I configure grub?
[04:27] <drspin> I need to add idebus=133 to my param
[04:27] <linuxn00b> anyuse gnump3d before??
[04:27] <drspin> s
[04:28] <drspin> it's using 33 right now :( :(
[04:29] <tritium> drspin, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:29] <tritium> look for the line with "kopt"
[04:31] <zerokarmaleft> omfg
[04:31] <zerokarmaleft> finally got ndiswrapper working with my linksys POS, woohoo
[04:32] <Elk_Brad> SMB file sharing is the BOMB!!! got Ubuntu (VMware style) and WinXP to communicate as well as with a laptop !!!
[04:32] <randabis> yeah it works okay, can be a pain to setup sometimes
[04:33] <zerokarmaleft> wow, a whole afternoon wasted trying to configure this thing and all because linksys decides that 0 = on and 1 = off for one of its settings...how ass-backwards is that
[04:33] <Floid> SMB file sharing sucks, wait for NFSv4. :)
[04:33] <randabis> yeah nfs rocks
[04:33] <Floid> Er, or whatever the new hotness is.
[04:33] <IgnoranceIsBliss> nfsv4?
[04:33] <IgnoranceIsBliss> smb rocks
[04:33] <Floid> Whatever the next NFS is, it'll... um, not suck like NFS does now.
[04:33] <IgnoranceIsBliss> its a godsend imo since it works on linux, windows, and my xbox
[04:33] <randabis> I just wish I could find a good FREE nfs client/server for windows
[04:34] <Floid> SMB works everywhere 'in spite of' the insanity of the protocol, so..
[04:34] <mebaran> How do I stop and start cups
[04:34] <Floid> ...but NFS never made endianness guarantees or any of that, among other things, I think.
[04:34] <IgnoranceIsBliss> indeed
[04:34] <IgnoranceIsBliss> wtf is nfs!
[04:34] <zenrox> i use only smb for my 2 ubuntu boxes and 1 win box
[04:34] <zenrox> network file system
[04:34] <pd> network file system
[04:34] <Floid> Network File System? :)
[04:35] <zenrox> lol
[04:35] <pd> its ip based secuirty too
[04:35] <Floid> what
[04:35] <IgnoranceIsBliss> and thats a network sharing protocol?
[04:35] <magpie> evening all...
[04:35] <IgnoranceIsBliss> is it universal like samba?
[04:35] <zenrox> as well better read write privilages too
[04:35] <zenrox> nope
[04:36] <zenrox> IgnoranceIsBliss, unix and linux use it the win ver is not free
[04:36] <IgnoranceIsBliss> nope as in nope its not universale
[04:36] <magpie> i have a dopey question...
[04:36] <IgnoranceIsBliss> thats no good then
[04:36] <zenrox> shure magnon
[04:36] <zenrox> IgnoranceIsBliss,  yep
[04:36] <zenrox> no good
[04:36] <IgnoranceIsBliss> well SMB is free and works fine so....
[04:36] <magpie> i wasn't given the option of installing...looks like i have only live cd...is that possible?
[04:36] <zenrox> stick with what works
[04:37] <randabis> I think it's slower than nfs
[04:37] <zenrox> and dont break it
[04:37] <drspin> idebus=133 or ide_bus=133
[04:37] <IgnoranceIsBliss> smb has been fast enough for me
[04:37] <randabis> well I'm partly mad because I think my samba's broken :p
[04:37] <Floid> Well, here's the thing.
[04:37] <tritium> IgnoranceIsBliss, NFS is much older than SMB
[04:37] <IgnoranceIsBliss> i mean when using a slave pc for downloading and then transferring sure... faster would be nice... but because of the uniform speed i fear its more encumbered by hardware capabilities then the effiency of the protocol
[04:37] <Floid> NFS has problems currently because it's too minimalist.
[04:38] <IgnoranceIsBliss> too minimalist?
[04:38] <Floid> SMB, on the other hand, is defined solely as the sum of every weird thing MS and IBM did with Lan Manager and the equivalents over the history of the PC.
[04:38] <IgnoranceIsBliss> i assumed SMB was minimilast as hell
[04:38] <jdub> NFSv4 is substantially better, though
[04:38] <Floid> So SMB is 'more standardized' because you assume things like i386 byte order and so on, but it's a friggin' mess.
[04:38] <IgnoranceIsBliss> we shall see....
[04:38] <pd> webdav is a bit better
[04:39] <IgnoranceIsBliss> ok how do i work bitpim
[04:39] <Floid> Yeah, webdav is currently the closest thing to a 'standard standard,' but I find it ridiculous to run a httpd to get a network filesystem.
[04:39] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> smb speed sucks that the only thing i know
[04:39] <zenrox> ya mee too
[04:39] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> ...
[04:39] <zenrox> i agree Floid
[04:40] <Floid> In the NFSv4 era, I figure people will start exposing filesystems to the Internet again, in lieu of FTP or other weird crap, it should be... securable.
[04:40] <Floid> And useful. :P
[04:40] <zenrox> very use full
[04:40] <randabis> yep, my samba is definitely broken
[04:40] <randabis> the daemon will not start
[04:40] <IgnoranceIsBliss> does anyone successfully communicate with their cellular phone through linux through serial or USB
[04:41] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> randabis  maybe it is allready start it
[04:41] <randabis> no
[04:41] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> :(
[04:41] <randabis> testparm fails
[04:41] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> im going to sllep i can t stay .....any more my eyes are closing
[04:41] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> see ya guys
[04:41] <IgnoranceIsBliss> please someone help... or i will have to boot into windows for cellphone stuff
[04:42] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> windows
[04:42] <randabis> idle threats lol
[04:42] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> windows is your solution
[04:42] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> :)
[04:42] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> ahahah
[04:42] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> i a linux lover...
[04:42] <randabis> I don't have windows :p
[04:42] <randabis> just other nodes in the network use windows
[04:42] <Quest-Master> My Windows doesn't work anymore either
[04:43] <Elk_Brad> my windows works....with linux installed on it :) 2 version in fact!! soon it'll be 5 !
[04:43] <randabis> maybe hoary broke samba
[04:43] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> Elk_Brad  ?
[04:43] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> ????
[04:43] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> 5?
[04:43] <Elk_Brad> yup
[04:43] <IgnoranceIsBliss> no im being honest... i want to use linux but i need to know why it wont run
[04:43] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> 5 distros?
[04:44] <IgnoranceIsBliss> http://bitpim.sourceforge.net/
[04:44] <Elk_Brad> i am running Windows, with linux running on VMware at the same time
[04:44] <Elk_Brad> its fun!
[04:44] <IgnoranceIsBliss> Traceback (most recent call last):
[04:44] <IgnoranceIsBliss>   File "/opt/cx_Freeze-3.0.1/initscripts/ConsoleSetLibPath.py", line 30, in ?
[04:44] <IgnoranceIsBliss>   File "bp.py", line 75, in ?
[04:44] <IgnoranceIsBliss>   File "gui.py", line 35, in ?
[04:44] <Quest-Master> Too bad VMWare costs so much
[04:44] <Elk_Brad> not for me :)
[04:44] <Elk_Brad> it was free
[04:44] <IgnoranceIsBliss> ok now thats done......
[04:44] <IgnoranceIsBliss>   File "phonebook.py", line 100, in ?
[04:44] <IgnoranceIsBliss>   File "phonebookentryeditor.py", line 15, in ?
[04:44] <IgnoranceIsBliss>   File "database.py", line 18, in ?
[04:44] <IgnoranceIsBliss> ImportError: No module named apsw
[04:44] <Elk_Brad> i can give a link to a FTP site for it
[04:44] <IgnoranceIsBliss> now what is this apsw module
[04:44] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> Elk_Brad  not in her
[04:44] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> pm him
[04:45] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> not in here even*
[04:45] <IgnoranceIsBliss> elk_brad pm me
[04:45] <skreet> Anyone have any idea how to make dvd playback not suck?
[04:45] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> Quest-Master  btw there so many nice p2p programs
[04:45] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> :)
[04:45] <zenrox> heheheh
[04:46] <Quest-Master> lol
[04:46] <benjamindees> skreet, use vidix in mplayer
[04:46] <Quest-Master> P2P isn't very dependable
[04:46] <IgnoranceIsBliss> what is that module
[04:46] <Quest-Master> skreet: Download Ogle
[04:46] <skreet> I cant install mplayer, synaptic gets very angry.
[04:46] <IgnoranceIsBliss> or how can i figure out what it is
[04:46] <IgnoranceIsBliss> ogle?
[04:46] <IgnoranceIsBliss> wth is ogle
[04:46] <skreet> So Totem isnt good enough?
[04:46] <Quest-Master> skreet: For DVDs, Ogle is best
[04:46] <benjamindees> skreet, what are your system specs?
[04:46] <IgnoranceIsBliss> totem wont play my dvds
[04:46] <IgnoranceIsBliss> only xine-ui will
[04:46] <IgnoranceIsBliss> but its quality leaves much to be desired
[04:47] <skreet> Totem will play dvds using dvd:// open location.
[04:47] <IgnoranceIsBliss> is ogle on the repo?
[04:47] <skreet> wil ogle improve PLAYBACK though?
[04:47] <IgnoranceIsBliss> anyone know how i can figure otu what that module is
[04:47] <skreet> I get a little bit of skipping and it slows my system to a crawl
[04:47] <skreet> Even IRC is lagigng lol
[04:47] <IgnoranceIsBliss> isnt that a DMA issue
[04:48] <skreet> It seems like it, but i'm not familiar with how to resolve that in linux
[04:48] <IgnoranceIsBliss> i dont have that problem... the quality is just not good... on dvds i know have better quality
[04:48] <IgnoranceIsBliss> i forgot how
[04:48] <skreet> Accessing the drive goes really slow.
[04:48] <IgnoranceIsBliss> its simple... but i dont remember how
[04:48] <skreet> Heh.
[04:48] <IgnoranceIsBliss> someone told me the command
[04:48] <IgnoranceIsBliss> google ought to find it
[04:48] <IgnoranceIsBliss> the forums... search them
[04:50] <IgnoranceIsBliss> found the aspw.. thanks guys
[04:50] <drspin> adding that line to menu.lst didn't - AT ALL
[04:50] <randabis> yep samba is broken
[04:50] <IgnoranceIsBliss> can linux use .zip
[04:50] <zenrox> yes
[04:50] <Quest-Master> Of course
[04:50] <tritium> drspin, did you do "sudo grub-update" after you edited it
[04:50] <tritium> ?
[04:50] <Quest-Master> Just right click and extract here
[04:50] <zenrox> and rar
[04:51] <randabis> even a removal and reinstall didn't fix it
[04:51] <Quest-Master> And tar, deb, and so on
[04:51] <tritium> drspin, i mean, "update-grub"
[04:51] <drspin> tritium: that would've been good to know before three reboots and changes :/
[04:51] <drspin> tritium: thanks!
[04:51] <tritium> drspin, yeah.  check out the grub documentation.
[04:52] <drspin> tritium: thanks - rebooting now :/
[04:52] <IgnoranceIsBliss> ah damnit... its source
[04:52] <IgnoranceIsBliss> make
[04:52] <IgnoranceIsBliss> make install?
[04:52] <Quest-Master> ./configure
[04:52] <Quest-Master> make
[04:52] <Quest-Master> sudo make install
[04:53] <IgnoranceIsBliss> ahhh the / is what i forgot
[04:53] <IgnoranceIsBliss> none are working
[04:53] <IgnoranceIsBliss> ./configure errors... as well as make and make install
[04:54] <randabis> probably dependency issues
[04:54] <randabis> do you have build-essential installed?
[04:54] <bobthethief> Stupid question, how do I move the gnome menu bar off the right hand side and back to the top?
[04:54] <IgnoranceIsBliss> its platform independent python i think
[04:54] <IgnoranceIsBliss> i dont think so lemme check
[04:54] <randabis> you can't compile anything without build-essential
[04:55] <IgnoranceIsBliss> yea i do
[04:55] <IgnoranceIsBliss> do i need python files?
[04:56] <skreet> anyone know what to do about my situation(pasted in #flood)
[04:56] <IgnoranceIsBliss> anyone know?
[04:57] <IgnoranceIsBliss> APSW - Another Python SQLite Wrapper
[04:57] <IgnoranceIsBliss> thats what im trying to build
[04:57] <IgnoranceIsBliss> i think i figured it out
[04:57] <skreet> 32-bit IO is definatly useful, but I need dma on..
[04:57] <skreet> anyone?
[04:57] <skreet> /dev/hda:
[04:57] <skreet>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[04:57] <skreet>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[04:57] <skreet>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[04:57] <IgnoranceIsBliss> DMA is not supported i would think
[04:58] <skreet> not supported by my NEC-3500AG?
[04:58] <skreet> YEa it's probably too old.. ?
[04:58] <skreet> :P
[04:58] <skreet> DMA has been around since long before ANY of my hardware.
[05:01] <BuffaloSoldier> hi ppl
[05:02] <IgnoranceIsBliss> ok im about to go back to windows
[05:02] <IgnoranceIsBliss> im getting trouble every step of the way on this...
[05:02] <skreet> I have both.
[05:02] <skreet> Windows has no problem setting DMA.
[05:02] <skreet> Anyone have any advice?
[05:02] <skreet> /dev/hda:
[05:02] <skreet>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[05:02] <skreet>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[05:02] <skreet>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[05:03] <BuffaloSoldier> any ubuntu user(s) from Malaysia?
[05:03] <knghtbrd> skreet: are you doing that as root?
[05:04] <skreet> Yes, sudo'd
[05:04] <knghtbrd> well, so much for my brilliant idea.  ;)
[05:04] <skreet> appreciate it nonetheless.
[05:05] <drspin> woohoo :) we're rocking now :) :)
[05:06] <drspin> 14x ;)
[05:06] <drspin> 8x while encoding...
[05:06] <drspin> after some crafty hdparm[ing] 
[05:06] <drspin> oops sorry 9x...
[05:06] <skreet> drspin
[05:06] <skreet> hey
[05:06] <skreet> you might be my hero
[05:06] <skreet> I was just hating hdparm
[05:07] <IgnoranceIsBliss> ok i give up
[05:07] <skreet> Any idea why I wouldent be able to enable DMA?
[05:07] <IgnoranceIsBliss> back to windows for this
[05:07] <Quest-Master> IgnoranceIsBliss: Don't give up
[05:07] <Quest-Master> :)
[05:07] <drspin> how can I make my hdparm settings stay??
[05:07] <drspin> skreet: As I just solved :)
[05:08] <drspin> skreet: open /boot/grub/menu.lst and read a bit -- you need to tell the kernel "idebus=66"
[05:09] <skreet> can i tell it idebus=100?
[05:09] <skreet> :D
[05:09] <tritium> drspin, that's not the right thing for everyone
[05:09] <drspin> skreet: I tried... and i tried idebus=133
[05:09] <drspin> skreet: it didn't work
[05:10] <drspin> skreet: tritium is right... you may have a driver issue...
[05:10] <drspin> skreet: actually it might... brb
[05:10] <drspin> lemme finish this encode
[05:10] <skreet> drspin: I hope not. Intel Chipset, Intel Proc?
[05:11] <skreet> I should probably upgrade to a 686-smp kernel, i'm still using stock :(
[05:12] <skreet> I'm going to reboot and see if that helps, thanks drspin
[05:17] <zenrox> whare is the modules.conf file
[05:17] <zerokarmaleft> zenrox, /etc/modules.conf
[05:17] <zenrox> i tried that
[05:19] <skreet> drspin: didnt take still cant -d1
[05:19] <skreet> something about mod-ide not found while booting so I thin I've got more problems :(
[05:23] <setite> ok someone help me
[05:23] <setite> ok the cellphone is plugged in
[05:23] <setite> well first where does windows store help files
[05:23] <benkong2> anybody know what "*** loading the extensions datasource" would mean after issuing the nvu command?
[05:25] <setite> ok how do i mount a hotplug device and view it
[05:30] <setite> wake up everyoen
[05:31] <stuNNed> wakey wakey pooky!
[05:31] <setite> hey stunned do you know how to browse the USB device
[05:31] <setite> its mounted... but not showing up oin the desktop
[05:31] <tritium> This is strange.  Wny isn't Epson Stylus C80 in foomatic-filters-ppds ?
[05:31] <setite> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[05:32] <stuNNed> setite, what does el dmesg say about when you plug it in?
[05:32] <setite> a bunch of shit... ummm
[05:33] <stuNNed> tis not shit, young lad
[05:33] <knghtbrd> tritium: 88, isn't that a brand new model of printer?
[05:33] <setite> stunned you see the PM
[05:34] <wasabi_> EVerytime my X starts I get a popup message saying "Error activating XKB configuration"
[05:34] <stuNNed> setite, yep, ttyACM0 ? not sure really
[05:34] <knghtbrd> tritium: the successor of the C86?
[05:34] <stuNNed> setite, how about messages logfile or syslog logfile?
[05:34] <tritium> knghtbrd, no, I've had it for about 3 years
[05:34] <setite> how do i do that
[05:35] <knghtbrd> hmm
[05:35] <knghtbrd> interesting
[05:35] <setite> ok i plugged it into a diff porrt
[05:35] <setite> same thing basically
[05:35] <setite> usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using address 4
[05:35] <setite> drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.c: Ignoring extra header
[05:35] <setite> cdc_acm 3-1:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device
[05:35] <setite> i still need to mount it dont i
[05:36] <tritium> /usr/share/doc/foomatic-filters-ppds says that foomatic-filters-ppds has all PPDs which can be generated by foomatic
[05:36] <stuNNed> setite, check /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages you can `tail -f /var/log/syslog` and the like, in a terminal
[05:36] <tritium> I don't think that's true...
[05:36] <setite> ok ummmmm
[05:37] <tritium> knghtbrd, looks like cupsys-driver-gimpprint may be what I need
[05:37] <setite> Jan 15 20:34:11 localhost kernel: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using address 4
[05:37] <setite> Jan 15 20:34:11 localhost kernel: drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.c: Ignoring extra header
[05:37] <setite> Jan 15 20:34:11 localhost kernel: cdc_acm 3-1:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device
[05:37] <setite> Jan 15 20:34:13 localhost usb.agent[5056] :      cdc-acm: already loaded
[05:37] <setite> Jan 15 20:34:14 localhost udev[5131] : creating device node '/dev/ttyACM0'
[05:37] <setite> Jan 15 20:36:50 localhost gconfd (root-5178): starting (version 2.8.1), pid 5178 user 'root'
[05:37] <setite> Jan 15 20:36:50 localhost gconfd (root-5178): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf
[05:38] <setite> do /dev/ttyacmo?
[05:38] <setite> so*
[05:38] <hikaru79> I can't seem to eject a CD-ROM drive, it insists it's busy even though it's not. I'm using KDE
[05:38] <hikaru79> hikaru79@ubuntu:/media/cdrom1 $ sudo pumount /dev/hdc
[05:38] <hikaru79> umount: /media/cdrom1: device is busy
[05:38] <hikaru79> umount: /media/cdrom1: device is busy
[05:38] <setite> hikaru... same thing with me...
[05:38] <hikaru79> =/
[05:38] <stuNNed> Se7h, it's pointing to /dev/ttyACM0
[05:38] <hikaru79> Any ideas?
[05:38] <stuNNed> eh sorry Se7h
[05:38] <setite> i just rightclick the cd on the desktop and it ejects
[05:38] <stuNNed> setite, meant for you
[05:39] <hikaru79> setite, I'm on KDE not GNOME
[05:39] <Cube-ness> ok.. two outstanding issues.. kernel panics since 2.6.9... and no matter what i do, i cannot see the ide hd (can see ide cdrom, boots from sata)
[05:39] <hikaru79> "Eject" in the device screen also says it's busy
[05:39] <setite> ok... well i have that problem in gnome... sorry
[05:39] <hikaru79> =/
[05:39] <hikaru79> Any other ideas?
[05:39] <setite> stunned i need to mount it right
[05:39] <setite> how do i do that
[05:39] <stuNNed> setite, doubt you'd mount a tty...
[05:40] <setite> whats a tty
[05:40] <setite> argh!!!
[05:40] <stuNNed> what is the usb device? what type of hardware?
[05:40] <setite> maybe the forums can help me
[05:41] <setite> its a cellphone
[05:41] <setite> i read that i could mount it like a regular device though
[05:41] <stuNNed> a cellphone? argh, no clue, sorry.
[05:41] <linux-rulz> setite: explain what happened to me. u tried to mount a cell phone like a harddrive? what were u trying to do?
[05:42] <setite> well i want to connect the cellphone to my pc so i can upload mp3 ringtones to it
[05:42] <setite> bitpim supposedly can do this but installing it proved more trouble than its worth
[05:43] <setite> while running the windows versions help file i read that i can mount the cellphone like a regular usb device
[05:43] <setite> but i dont know how
[05:43] <setite> also the windows version didnt see all my ringtones
[05:43] <setite> so that is also why im trying to mount it this way
[05:43] <setite> so i can see if i can replace the current ringtone...
[05:44] <Elk_Brad> i feel great...sharing programs :)
[05:44] <benkong2> anybody know what "*** loading the extensions datasource" would mean after issuing the nvu command?
[05:44] <setite> it seems that bitpim doesnt have full support of my phone... and doesnt browse the folder that has my mp3 ringtones
[05:44] <setite> elk_brad where is that vmware thing
[05:45] <setite> linux-ruilz any ideas
[05:47] <linux-rulz> hold on just looking
[05:48] <cthulfuego> How smart is it to change from debian sid to ubuntu by simply forcing an update on all packages of an installed & running system?
[05:48] <linux-rulz> so u plugged in the phone to the usb port and then typed in mount /dev/sda?
[05:49] <Simira> cthulfuego: my common sense tells me it should work fine. I don't know much anout debian systems though
[05:50] <cthulfuego> Simira: Well, it's unpacking now...
[05:50] <setite> no i didnt try to mount it because i dont know how
[05:50] <setite> should i try
[05:50] <cthulfuego> Simira: Justw anted to check that I'm not going to end up with a horrible mess <heh>
[05:50] <setite> i was tryign to figure out how
[05:50] <setite> so what do i do
[05:50] <cthulfuego> I should not it's the unofficial amd64 sid, not just sid.
[05:51] <drspin> could someone tell me where I can find information on what the "acoustic" option is for /dev/hda
[05:53] <linux-rulz> hmmmm
[05:53] <linuxn00b> Hi has anyone ever used gnump3d?
[05:54] <linux-rulz> u *could* try to mount the phone....dont know if it is a good idea tho
[05:54] <squareyes> afternoon all, would there be any printer wizards here?
[05:54] <linux-rulz> (sorry, trying to do too many things at once, not trying to ignore u)
[05:54] <randabis> just a joke
[05:55] <Elk_Brad> setite and Quest-Master you need to download it fast...im changing the password in 30 mins
[05:55] <linux-rulz> squareeyes: what do you mean
[05:55] <squareyes> hehehe have setup an old epson LQ 500, but will only print lefthand 2 thirds of the page in extremely poor quality , any ideas?
[05:55] <squareyes> used driver in cups
[05:55] <linux-rulz> squareyes: ubuntu? warty?
[05:56] <squareyes> yes
[05:56] <aethera> my system uses way to much memory
[05:56] <squareyes> seems to be only using 5 of the 24 pins
[05:57] <aethera> squareyes: try using lpd first not cups
[05:57] <aethera> do a ls > lpt1
[05:58] <squareyes> been there, get 500 pages of machine code when I turn the printer on
[05:58] <Elk_Brad> i don't like it when i give people stuff and they ignore me when they get what the want
[05:58] <Elk_Brad> ...i'll be cutting that download off soon guys...
[05:58] <aethera> Elk_Brad: ?
[05:58] <Elk_Brad> i gave Quest-Master and setite, a link to getting VMware for free
[05:59] <Elk_Brad> and now they are ignoring me
[05:59] <Guardiann> thats how it goes Elk_Brad
[05:59] <squareyes> being ignorant is not easy
[05:59] <Elk_Brad> so i'll be cutting it off soon
[05:59] <Elk_Brad> good thing the server doesn't take uploads :D
[05:59] <squareyes> needs quite a bit of work to do it properly Elk_Brad
[06:00] <aethera> Elk_Brad: :P
[06:01] <Elk_Brad> :P
[06:01] <Elk_Brad> does anyone else want it?
[06:01] <Elk_Brad> while im offering it?
[06:01] <Guardiann> no thanks
[06:01] <aethera> nah its cool
[06:01] <Elk_Brad> VMware for either Linux or Windows
[06:01] <aethera> :>
[06:01] <Elk_Brad> free
[06:01] <Guardiann> how is it free
[06:02] <linux-rulz> Elk_Brad: how r u giving it away for free?
[06:02] <Elk_Brad> :) have a keygen that gives you 2000 years of licence
[06:02] <Guardiann> thats what i asked
[06:02] <Guardiann> ah so its warez
[06:02] <drspin> Elk_Brad: bad idea...
[06:02] <Elk_Brad> and the program is on a ftp site
[06:02] <squareyes> won't live that long :-)
[06:02] <Elk_Brad> yes it does
[06:02] <drspin> Elk_Brad: it'll die soon
[06:02] <Elk_Brad> i've had it for 2 years
[06:03] <Elk_Brad> no problems
[06:03] <squareyes> figure I have maybe 25 years :-)
[06:03] <Guardiann> hmmm
[06:03] <linux-rulz> nah, im fine without warez on my computer
[06:03] <drspin> ...
[06:03] <Guardiann> yep same here
[06:03] <Elk_Brad> what ever ya'll say
[06:03] <drspin> I use ALL open source products... except some codecs...
[06:03] <drspin> I mean software ;)
[06:03] <drspin> of course
[06:03] <Elk_Brad> well to me its open :)
[06:03] <Elk_Brad> cause i can use it
[06:04] <linux-rulz> lol, he said open source
[06:04] <Elk_Brad> hehe
[06:04] <squareyes> the source is open hehehe
[06:04] <drspin> Elk_Brad: this isn't an open WaRez Channel -- and bragging about WaRez on IRC isn't a smart thing in an anti-WaRez channel ;)
[06:04] <drspin> Elk_Brad: some people are offended enough to report you...
[06:04] <linux-rulz> i dont have a single illegal piece of software on my computer, and i think ill stick that way.
[06:05] <__learner__> can I install nvidia's site drivers?
[06:05] <__learner__> Doom 3 demo is running pretty bad here.
[06:05] <linux-rulz> __learner__: yes u can, make sure u have the kernel headers and gcc installed before you try
[06:06] <__learner__> how, may I know it?
[06:06] <__learner__> How can I know it?
[06:06] <linux-rulz> what do you mean how can you know it?
[06:07] <__learner__> How can I know if I have kernel headers and gcc installed. I know I have gcc, but don't know how to look for kernell headers.
[06:07] <linux-rulz> u running the 386 or 686 kernel headers?
[06:08] <linux-rulz> *kernel i mean
[06:08] <__learner__> don know, how can I discover it?
[06:08] <linux-rulz> issue the command
[06:08] <linux-rulz> uname -r
[06:08] <linux-rulz> and cut and paste the results into here
[06:09] <__learner__> 2.6.8.1-4-386
[06:09] <linux-rulz> ok, give me a minute
[06:09] <chrismurf> __learner__:
[06:09] <chrismurf> dpkg -L linux-kernel-headers
[06:09] <chrismurf> does that spew out crap?
[06:09] <__learner__> tx.
[06:09] <__learner__> lots of files.
[06:09] <chrismurf> you're good to go.
[06:09] <__learner__> Tx.
[06:10] <linux-rulz> just type in this:
[06:10] <linux-rulz> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-386 gcc
[06:10] <linux-rulz> that will make sure they are installed
[06:10] <__learner__> tx a lot
[06:11] <malegria> hello.
[06:11] <Guardiann> hello
[06:11] <__learner__> it is downloading lot's of things now.
[06:11] <setite> does ubuntu have a ftp client
[06:11] <malegria> o.k. YES, I have a problem. Has anyone been able to compile alsa-drivers without errors?
[06:12] <__learner__> error downloading http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-4-386_2.6.8.1-16.8_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[06:12] <Guardiann> anyone know how hoary is coming along
[06:12] <__learner__> do you think it will work?
[06:12] <__learner__> I don't want to broke my system again.
[06:12] <linux-rulz> ok, then change ur XF86CONFIG file so that it says to load the nvidia driver instead of nv and then kill X, it won't load cause there is no nvidia driver, then install it from the command line, add the word nvidia to /etc/modules, and then reboot
[06:12] <linux-rulz> it should work, i am running them right now just fine
[06:13] <linux-rulz> setite: sudo apt-get install gftp
[06:13] <setite> ok
[06:13] <setite> and how do i mount the phone
[06:13] <setite> or any device for that matter
[06:13] <__learner__> gftp rulez!
[06:13] <linux-rulz> u could try to do this:
[06:14] <malegria> #mount device mountpoint
[06:14] <__learner__> But you should also try firefox fireFTP extension. Very good too.!
[06:14] <linux-rulz> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /path/to/mount/point
[06:14] <linux-rulz> i dont like the fireftp extension, gftp is much more nicely laid out
[06:14] <setite> which is what
[06:14] <setite> /proc/usb
[06:14] <setite> or soemthgin like that
[06:14] <linux-rulz> nope
[06:14] <linux-rulz> whereever u want it mounted
[06:14] <setite> or the /dev/ttyACM0
[06:14] <setite> oh ok
[06:15] <linux-rulz> for instance /mnt/cellphone
[06:15] <setite> and how do i determine the sda
[06:15] <linux-rulz> just make sure the directory exists before u do that
[06:15] <setite> ok i must specify filesystem type
[06:15] <linux-rulz> try guessing, it could also be sdb if u already have something marked sda
[06:15] <setite> its usbfs i think
[06:16] <setite> and do i have to set UID and PID or whatever those are
[06:16] <setite> i tried sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/cell
[06:16] <linux-rulz> yeah, someone else will have to help with the command, i always do it automatically with gnome (dont think it works for cell phones) or with fstab
[06:16] <linux-rulz> what did it do?
[06:16] <drspin> how can I make GNOME NOT open CD Player when I put in an audio CD
[06:16] <setite> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[06:16] <linux-rulz> try adding it to ur fstab file
[06:16] <setite> ok how do i do that
[06:17] <setite> well thats for permanent automounting right
[06:17] <linux-rulz> ok, add the following line to ur fstab (give me a couple of minutes and ill post it):
[06:17] <setite> i just want to moutn it temporarily
[06:17] <malegria> man, there's nothing like a CLEAN compile
[06:17] <stuNNed> try -t vfat
[06:17] <linux-rulz> yep, i know, but u can put it in there to NOT mount automatically on system boot
[06:18] <linux-rulz> ah yes, that is the command
[06:18] <stuNNed> setite, mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/cell
[06:18] <linux-rulz> u could also try -t usbfs
[06:18] <setite> ok
[06:18] <setite> setite@ubuntu:~ $ sudo mount -t usbfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/cell
[06:18] <setite> mount: mount point /mnt/cell does not exist
[06:19] <stuNNed> mkdir /mnt/cell
[06:19] <setite> oh yea
[06:19] <setite> ok now i guess that it was already mounted in another folder i viewed earlier
[06:20] <setite> it appears that this is not gonna work as id hoped
[06:20] <setite> its showing folders
[06:20] <linux-rulz> just type in mount and it will tell u what all is mounted
[06:20] <linux-rulz> post it all here or in pastebin
[06:20] <setite> /dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[06:20] <setite> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[06:20] <setite> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[06:20] <setite> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[06:20] <setite> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[06:20] <setite> /dev/hda1 on /mnt/winxp type ntfs (rw,uid=1000,gid=1000)
[06:20] <setite> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[06:20] <setite> /dev/sda1 on /mnt/cell type usbfs (rw)
[06:20] <setite> it was already mounted in /proc/bus/usb
[06:21] <setite> and it has 4 folders 001 002 003 and 004
[06:21] <linux-rulz> no, dont touch that!
[06:21] <linux-rulz> that is something completely different
[06:21] <linux-rulz> go into /mnt/cell
[06:21] <linux-rulz> what is there?
[06:21] <stuNNed> if you cd /mnt/cell then ls what do you get?
[06:21] <setite> same exact tyhin is in there
[06:21] <linux-rulz> thats strange....
[06:21] <setite> setite@ubuntu:~ $ cd /mnt/cell
[06:21] <setite> setite@ubuntu:/mnt/cell $ ls
[06:21] <setite> 001  002  003  004  devices
[06:21] <setite> setite@ubuntu:/mnt/cell $
[06:22] <setite> want me to pm you the contents of devices
[06:22] <linux-rulz> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) this is something completely different
[06:22] <setite> or post it on that pastebin site or whatever that is
[06:22] <setite> should i mount it as vfat?
[06:23] <linux-rulz> does anyone know what kind of a filesystem a cell phone would normally have?
[06:25] <setite> ok i found the bitpim help file
[06:25] <setite> BitPim can access USB devices directly. This is done using libusb which accesses the usb filesystem. You need to ensure the filesystem (usbdevfs) is mounted, usually below /proc/bus/usb.
[06:25] <setite> By default Linux configures USB devices so that they are owned by root. You should be running BitPim as yourself, not root. Most recent Linux distributions use hotplug, and these instructions show you how to configure it.
[06:25] <setite> dit /etc/hotplug/usb.usermap
[06:25] <setite> Add a line to the bottom.
[06:25] <setite> usbcell 0x0003 VID PID 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
[06:25] <setite> You need to replace VID and PID with the relevant vendor and product ids.
[06:25] <setite> Note For more recent versions of hotplug, it is considered better form to create the file /etc/hotplug/usb/usbcell.usermap.
[06:26] <setite> ok there is no usermap
[06:26] <setite> but there is a handmap
[06:26] <setite> which appears to be the same i think
[06:27] <setite> is it?
[06:27] <setite> whoops
[06:27] <setite> didnt read that last part
[06:28] <setite> anyone still there?
[06:29] <linuxn00b> Hi, when I click on a link in (gnump3d) and select "play all" it says at the bottom "no preferred application found"
[06:29] <setite> ok it tells me to create  /etc/hotplug/usb/usbcell
[06:29] <setite> so thats the mkdir right
[06:30] <aethera> touch works fine
[06:30] <aethera> its not a dir
[06:31] <setite> ??
[06:31] <setite> ok
[06:32] <setite> aethera.... what did all this do
[06:33] <setite> its telling me to create some script
[06:33] <setite> http://www.bitpim.org/testhelp/
[06:33] <setite> under Reference - USB - Linux USB Setup
[06:34] <aethera> setite: usb works fine
[06:34] <setite> huh?
[06:34] <setite> well fuck im abotu to give up.. this sucks...
[06:34] <setite> maybe wine can install the windows version of bitpim
[06:34] <mkerby> I was here a few nights ago with a soundcard problem.
[06:34] <mkerby> Namely, no sound.
[06:34] <mkerby> I found out my soundcard looked fine.
[06:35] <aethera> thats not a soundcard problem
[06:35] <choo> I have a serial mouse that didn't get detected
[06:35] <aethera> is the modules loaded for the soundcard
[06:35] <mkerby> I reinstalled Ubuntu, and everything was fine.
[06:35] <drspin> best way to burn an audio CD?
[06:35] <choo> but I'm new to Linux and am so lost just installed Ubuntu
[06:35] <mkerby> But this time, like last time, I installed KDE.  And the sound went again.
[06:35] <mkerby> What can I do?
[06:35] <aethera> drspin: k3b
[06:36] <drspin> aethera: ew -- I have the WAvs
[06:36] <jose__> hola
[06:36] <choo> How can I setup a serial mouse?
[06:37] <aethera> mkerby: looks like the driver is broke
[06:37] <mkerby> aethera, how can I fix that?
[06:37] <setite> how do i unmount
[06:37] <aethera> mkerby: what sound card is it
[06:37] <aethera> setite: umount /dir
[06:38] <mkerby> aethera, it's a Soundblaster Audigy Platinum.
[06:38] <aethera> ok have you looked if the kernel is loading the module for it?
[06:38] <setite> thats not working
[06:38] <setite> oh whoops
[06:39] <mkerby> aethera, I'm a real newbie. How do I find that out?
[06:39] <thully_> Hi - I want to use Ubuntu, but I like KDE.  Is there anything I should know about KDE in Ubuntu.  I tried it once, but all my fonts had a goofy multicolored look to them - how do I fix this
[06:39] <thully_> (BTW i'm on a laptop)
[06:39] <aethera> snd                    50660  14 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[06:39] <aethera> thats mine
[06:39] <setite> its saying device is busy
[06:39] <aethera> setite: cd /
[06:39] <mkerby> aethera, do I run this in a terminal or what?
[06:39] <aethera> than umount /dir/dir2 or where ever it is mounted
[06:40] <aethera> mkerby: do lsmod in a terminal
[06:40] <aethera> and see if the snd module is loaded
[06:40] <setite> still same
[06:40] <aethera> do you have a window open showing the contents of the usb?
[06:40] <elocal> hey
[06:40] <elocal> anybody alive?
[06:41] <setite> nope
[06:41] <aethera> yeah
[06:41] <elocal> :D
[06:41] <linuxboy> nadda
[06:41] <mkerby> aethera, there are several snd items listed.
[06:41] <cthulfuego> Well.
[06:41] <setite> ok i had a /mnt opened though
[06:41] <aethera> ok is the mixer volume up
[06:41] <setite> seemed to have been the problem
[06:41] <elocal> I just wanted to know why my harddrive spin again when I shut down my machine on Ubuntu
[06:41] <cthulfuego> A live change from Deb to ubuntu works fine, you can add that one to the FAQ.
[06:41] <aethera> setite: *slap*
[06:41] <aethera> ::P
[06:41] <elocal> it does not happen on Gentoo...
[06:42] <cthulfuego> elocal: it probably flushes data to disk, so it needs to spin up.
[06:42] <elocal> it spins down, and before shutting down spins up again
[06:42] <mkerby> aethera, I don't know if you're talking to me or not, but the mixer volume is up.
[06:42] <aethera> mkerby: it was for youi
[06:43] <aethera> hmmm thats weirf
[06:43] <choo> serial port mouse how do you get one of these working?
[06:43] <aethera> install mp3blaster and try and play something
[06:43] <aethera> might be gnomes sound that is stuffed
[06:44] <mkerby> Okay. I'll be back in a little while. My daughter wants me.
[06:44] <drspin> why doesn't my EQ work in XMMS?
[06:44] <aethera> I am sick :(
[06:44] <aethera> drspin: doesnt work means nothing
[06:44] <aethera> put it on
[06:44] <aethera> :)
[06:45] <setite> damnit i cant get wine to run it
[06:45] <choo> serial port mouse how do you get these working?
[06:45] <setite> it installed ok but wont run
[06:45] <setite> where does wine install to i forger
[06:46] <drspin> aethera: OK -- I turn it on and move all the sliders to the bottom and nothing changes...
[06:46] <drspin> I move them all the way to the top and nothing changes...
[06:47] <david__> good morning
[06:48] <JoePenguin> david__: hi
[06:49] <david__> can anyone help please, I've still got the problem where my raid drives can't be seen and I haven't got a clue how to load drivers
[06:50] <aethera> david__: man insmod
[06:50] <david__> ?
[06:50] <JoePenguin> david__: can't be seen? huh... do you know if your kernel has RAID support built in? Are you using the stock kernel or a custom?
[06:52] <linuxn00b> Hey, when I ssh into my other ubuntu box it just keeps aksing me for a password and I keep puting in the right one :S
[06:52] <david__> I'm afraid I really don't know, I was given this and the live cd yesterday and was so impressed I loaded it onto a spare hd. On the live cd no problems, the drives could be seen and accessed, but not on the installation
[06:52] <JoePenguin> linuxn00b: Are you trying to log in as root, or a normal user?
[06:52] <linuxn00b> BTW I can use scp...so ssh should work then right?
[06:52] <linuxn00b> normal
[06:53] <linuxn00b> I just type in ssh <ip addy>
[06:53] <JoePenguin> linuxn00b: Do you have physical access to the box you are trying to get into?>
[06:53] <linuxn00b> yup
[06:53] <JoePenguin> linuxn00b: check /var/log/auth.log on that box for error messages
[06:53] <JoePenguin> linuxn00b: maybe it will tell you incorrect pw, or maybe that the user was denied for other reasons
[06:54] <JoePenguin> david__: So, Ubuntu is currently installed on a non-RAID drive?
[06:54] <linuxn00b> I can see a check pass; user unknow and other things
[06:54] <linuxn00b> but why does scp work and ssh doesnt?
[06:55] <david__> yes standard drive in a caddy
[06:55] <david__> oh and on ide
[06:55] <linuxn00b> when hte box i'm trying to access was hoary it worke but now that I reinstalled (warty) it doesnt :s
[06:56] <david__> I have downloaded some linux drivers, but not specific to this
[06:56] <drspin> how can I turn off autoplay (?) for Audio CD's on Gnome?
[06:57] <evilmegaman> Why does ubuntu tell me it can't find drivers for my cd rom drive?
[06:57] <JoePenguin> linuxn00b: i don't know. i would have expected both to work. try to ssh again, but this time use the -v option to get extra messages.
[06:57] <linuxboy> drspin: Computer -> Desktop Prefs -> Remavable Storage
[06:57] <linuxn00b> it works, I tired <username>@<IP> :)
[06:58] <linuxn00b> but why I have to do this now is really weird
[06:58] <aethera> Linux [kernel 2.6.8.1-3-386]  || CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.40GHz at 2401.137MHz [4751.36 bogomips]  || Disk: 30.92 used of 34.99Gb || Mem: used 0.0/0.0 Swap: used 0.0/0.0 || Up: 1 Load: 2.48,
[06:58] <JoePenguin> david__: how is your raid set up?
[06:58] <linuxn00b> anyone here use gnump3d???
[06:58] <Stew2> I've had a problem with my machine locking up. When I tried to run ./configure then make, the computer locked up during the make process. Do i ./configure then re-run make?
[06:58] <Guardiann> aethera not bad :)
[06:58] <david__> pci card its a silcon pci 10680 ulta ata 133
[06:59] <JoePenguin> linuxn00b: oh? were you at a root shell?
[06:59] <drspin> linuxboy: THANKS :)
[06:59] <linuxn00b> what do you mean?/ currently loged in as root??
[06:59] <aethera> Stew2: run "make clean && ./configure && make && make install"
[06:59] <JoePenguin> linuxn00b: yes, from the box where you were ssh'ing from
[06:59] <evilmegaman> why doesn't ubuntu work during the instalation? it says it doesn't recognize my cd rom drive
[06:59] <linuxn00b> nope
[07:00] <linuxn00b> I was a user
[07:00] <JoePenguin> linuxn00b: you would have had a '#' prompt. hmm
[07:00] <linuxn00b> it's strange but atleast it works :D
[07:00] <JoePenguin> linuxn00b: well, if you don't use user@host syntax, it assumes that the username is the one you are currently logged in as
[07:00] <linuxn00b> how can I start and stop a daemon?
[07:00] <david__> JoePenguin:  This seems to be a great thing if only I could see my other drives, at the moment this is becoming all consuming in particular as I'm a baby with linux
[07:00] <JoePenguin> linuxn00b: obviously if the user on host A doesn't exist on host B, then authentication will fail
[07:01] <linuxn00b> JoePenguin, well now that I think abot it before reinstall both my boxes had a user name of xquizit
[07:01] <evilmegaman> ... What's up with this does anyone see my typing?
[07:01] <JoePenguin> evilmegaman: why wouldn't we?
[07:02] <linuxn00b> yes
[07:02] <pipeline> evilmegaman: no
[07:02] <evilmegaman> because Noone answers :P
[07:02] <david__> yes no problems
[07:02] <JoePenguin> oh
[07:02] <JoePenguin> david__: do a /sbin/lsmod and see if the "md" module and any raid modules are loaded
[07:02] <aethera> evilmegaman: maybe we just dont know the answer
[07:03] <evilmegaman> Thanks. Now I know that someone knows I am here. I have been asking questions here and #debian and noone says anything :(
[07:03] <david__> Joepenguin: sorry to be a pain, but this is all new, do I use the run box?
[07:03] <JoePenguin> evilmegaman: you are installing from a cd and the installer doesn't recognize your cd drive?
[07:03] <evilmegaman> Yes
[07:03] <MobyTurbo> evilmegaman, maybe they don't answer because you're loged in as root. ;-)
[07:03] <stuNNed> is there a backport of more recent alsa for warty?
[07:03] <evilmegaman> why would that matter?
[07:03] <JoePenguin> evilmegaman: how far does it get?
[07:04] <JoePenguin> evilmegaman: it wouldn't matter
[07:04] <evilmegaman> To enabling IDE devices or whatever
[07:04] <JoePenguin> evilmegaman: moby was just trying to be witty
[07:04] <evilmegaman> oh ok joepenguin
[07:04] <Stew2> evilmegaman: had the same problem. Don't log in as root and run xchat. you won't get no respect.
[07:04] <JoePenguin> Stew2: how about if you log in as ~root@somewhere.aol.com?  :-)
[07:05] <evilmegaman> :-P oh well. I was busy in root
[07:05] <JoePenguin> actaully that wouldn't be possible
[07:05] <aethera> stuNNed: deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe
[07:05] <Stew2> joepenguin: Okay. Don't log in as root. Especially not root@...aol.com.
[07:05] <stuNNed> aethera, recent alsa is there?
[07:05] <evilmegaman> lmao. Stew2, I hope that day never comes
[07:05] <aethera> I guess so
[07:06] <JoePenguin> david__: no, under one of your menus there should be "Root terminal" or something like that
[07:06] <JoePenguin> david__: i don't have my GUI up right now so i can't check where exactly it is... i think under system tools
[07:06] <aethera> JoePenguin: what you lookig for mate
[07:07] <JoePenguin> aethera: i'm trying to help him do a lsmod
[07:07] <JoePenguin> aethera: he needs to know how to open a root terminal first
[07:07] <aethera> yeah under system tools
[07:07] <evilmegaman> Oh so I guess noone knows the answer :( thanks guys. at least I know you know I am here ;)
[07:08] <linuxn00b> JoePenguin, is there a way to type in a hostname instead of an IP so I can just <username>@<hostname>
[07:08] <blu1> ok, where the f do you keep your filesystems in ubuntu
[07:08] <david__> JoePenguin: hi agian it appears to see it hand on I'll seeif I can cut and paste
[07:08] <blu1> i checkout /mnt....nothing
[07:08] <blu1> i checked out/dev
[07:09] <blu1> all i found was entries to all my partitions that had no extensions...
[07:09] <JoePenguin> linuxn00b: yes, there are two ways. One is to type in the fully qualified domain name, as would be accessible from the internet. The other is to add the ip along with the desired hostname to the /etc/hosts file on the client machine
[07:09] <blu1> i checked out the system configuration and it didnt even recognize any of its own / partition volumes
[07:09] <JoePenguin> blu1: I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for..... everything should be under '/'
[07:09] <david__> Module                  Size  Used by
[07:09] <david__> radeon                115236  2
[07:09] <david__> proc_intf               3968  0
[07:09] <david__> freq_table              4356  0
[07:09] <david__> cpufreq_userspace       5336  0
[07:09] <david__> cpufreq_powersave       2048  0
[07:09] <david__> button                  6936  0
[07:09] <david__> ac                      5132  0
[07:10] <david__> battery                 9740  0
[07:10] <david__> ipv6                  230020  8
[07:10] <david__> sk98lin               167960  1
[07:10] <david__> ohci1394               32004  0
[07:10] <david__> ieee1394              100536  1 ohci1394
[07:10] <david__> emu10k1_gp              3840  0
[07:10] <linuxn00b> ok i'll add it to /etc/hosts but how?/ is it IP then hostname or hostname then IP
[07:10] <JoePenguin> that's a bit excessive
[07:10] <david__> snd_emu10k1            80776  3
[07:10] <blu1> joepenguin: im looking for a fat partition named chared
[07:10] <david__> snd_rawmidi            23232  1 snd_emu10k1
[07:10] <david__> snd_pcm_oss            48168  0
[07:10] <david__> snd_mixer_oss          16640  3 snd_pcm_oss
[07:10] <blu1> shared*
[07:10] <david__> snd_pcm                85540  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm_oss
[07:10] <david__> snd_timer              23172  1 snd_pcm
[07:10] <david__> snd_seq_device          7944  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi
[07:10] <david__> snd_ac97_codec         59268  1 snd_emu10k1
[07:10] <JoePenguin> blu1: is it mounted currently? do you know?
[07:10] <david__> snd_page_alloc         11144  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm
[07:10] <david__> snd_util_mem            4608  1 snd_emu10k1
[07:10] <david__> snd_hwdep               9120  1 snd_emu10k1
[07:10] <david__> snd                    50660  12 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_util_mem,snd_hwdep
[07:10] <david__> soundcore               9824  3 snd
[07:10] <david__> hw_random               5652  0
[07:10] <david__> ehci_hcd               27780  0
[07:10] <david__> uhci_hcd               29328  0
[07:10] <setite> wine sucks
[07:10] <david__> usbcore               104292  4 ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
[07:10] <setite> flood!!!!
[07:10] <david__> shpchp                 87276  0
[07:10] <blu1> joepenguin: it doesnt mount itself?
[07:10] <david__> pciehp                 83948  0
[07:10] <david__> pci_hotplug            30640  2 shpchp,pciehp
[07:11] <blu1> on boot?
[07:11] <david__> intel_agp              20512  0
[07:11] <david__> intel_mch_agp          10000  1
[07:11] <david__> agpgart                31784  3 intel_agp,intel_mch_agp
[07:11] <JoePenguin> david__: that is... what's the word... excessive
[07:11] <blu1> david: stop
[07:11] <david__> analog                 10784  0
[07:11] <david__> gameport                4736  2 emu10k1_gp,analog
[07:11] <david__> floppy                 54996  0
[07:11] <david__> pcspkr                  3816  0
[07:11] <david__> rtc                    12216  0
[07:11] <setite> david... hehe you shame my name
[07:11] <david__> md                     44744  0
[07:11] <linuxn00b> david__, nexttime you post a big error message post it on #flood please :D
[07:11] <david__> dm_mod                 51068  1
[07:11] <JoePenguin> david__: bad netizen! bad bad
[07:11] <david__> capability              4872  0
[07:11] <setite> blu he cant stop
[07:11] <david__> commoncap               7168  1 capability
[07:11] <david__> parport_pc             32064  1
[07:11] <setite> what
[07:11] <david__> lp                     10436  0
[07:11] <david__> parport                37320  2 parport_pc,lp
[07:11] <david__> ide_cd                 38276  0
[07:11] <setite> whats done is done
[07:11] <david__> tsdev                   7168  0
[07:11] <JoePenguin> you can always stop
[07:11] <david__> cdrom                  35872  1 ide_cd
[07:11] <david__> e
[07:11] <david__> Oooops sorry to take up all the room, please accept my apologies
[07:11] <david__> sorry, but at least all the information is there ;)
[07:11] <setite> ive never found a way to stop flooding once you press enter
[07:11] <blu1> can anyone help me find my fat32 partition...
[07:12] <JoePenguin> setite: not even parting the channel?
[07:12] <linuxn00b> np :) I did the same thing once haha but I got kicked haha
[07:12] <JoePenguin> blu1: don't worry we'll find it
[07:12] <setite> well that may work... but thats no fun
[07:12] <setite> anyone use wine successfully
[07:12] <stuNNed> aethera, thanks but no go :)
[07:12] <linuxn00b> JoePenguin, do I add it IP then hostname or hostname then IP in the /etc/hosts
[07:13] <david__> last night and now I'm hung over (a joke- had a friend over and we got slightly carried away)
[07:13] <JoePenguin> linuxn00b: man hosts
[07:13] <linuxn00b> ok
[07:13] <JoePenguin> david__: hmm... ok md is loaded. i wonder if there should be a raid* module listed there, like raid0, raid5, etc.
[07:13] <JoePenguin> david__: as an experiment, you could boot your live cd and see what modules are loaded and compare
[07:14] <david__> Joepenguin: ok, I have beaten myself severely and I'm sending myself to bed early tonight
[07:14] <JoePenguin> david__: you might need to load a module manually.  "insmod raid0" or whatever. When I asked how your raid was set up, i was hoping to hear what raid level you were using, which drives, etc.
[07:14] <JoePenguin> david__: also, what's on them and do you know where you want to mount them?
[07:15] <david__> Oh yes, lots and lots of music
[07:15] <david__> I want to mount one in the media player and the otherone has backups and documents on
[07:16] <BockBilbo> anyone here uses wmaker?
[07:16] <BockBilbo> ?
[07:16] <dc0e> BockBilbo: i have used it, but don't currently
[07:17] <BockBilbo> mm oks..
[07:17] <BockBilbo> dont know why, but cannot read properly in xchat using wmaker
[07:17] <dc0e> BockBilbo: i don't think i had that problem
[07:17] <dc0e> BockBilbo: what's wrong?
[07:17] <BockBilbo> ive fixed it
[07:17] <BockBilbo> ....
[07:18] <BockBilbo> well the question i had is
[07:18] <Guardiann> oops sorry
[07:18] <BockBilbo> how are the system notification docks called....
[07:18] <BockBilbo> the ones that work like gdesklers
[07:19] <dc0e> BockBilbo: how are they called by what?
[07:20] <BockBilbo> ... i mean.. which is the generic name for those docks...
[07:20] <BockBilbo> hold on and ill show you what i want
[07:21] <dc0e> BockBilbo: oh, i forget what wmaker calls them, but i'll bet you'll find the answer on wmaker.org
[07:21] <JoePenguin> david__: it might help to run  "dmesg | less" in a terminal and read the messages looking for anything RAID related
[07:21] <BockBilbo> mmm
[07:21] <BockBilbo> ok
[07:21] <dc0e> BockBilbo: most of the packages that install them begin with 'wm' like 'wmweather', etc.
[07:21] <BockBilbo>  i didnt know that site
[07:21] <BockBilbo> amm
[07:21] <BockBilbo> ok
[07:21] <BockBilbo> :)
[07:21] <BockBilbo> thanksss
[07:21] <JoePenguin> david__: raid devices are usually set up as /dev/md0, /dev/md1, etc. so, if one of those devices already exists, then it's just a matter of mounting it somewhere.
[07:21] <JoePenguin> david__: I believe that the kernel is supposed to detect them at boot time.
[07:22] <david__> JoePenguin: thanks, I tried insmod raid0 and it said 'no such file or directory'
[07:23] <JoePenguin> david__: on my Debian system at home there are a bunch of "md: " messages, including "md: Autodetecting RAID arrays", among other useful messages
[07:23] <JoePenguin> david__: try using modprobe instead of insmod.
[07:24] <david__> JoePenguin: I thought that the raid should have loaded at boot as it does on the live cd, but it appears not on the installation
[07:24] <BockBilbo> well... im going to bed
[07:24] <BockBilbo> bye!!
[07:26] <david__> JoePenguin: do you know what extensions I should use with modprobe?
[07:27] <JoePenguin> david__: you don't need any
[07:27] <JoePenguin> david__: actually, i'm not sure what you mean by "extensions"
[07:27] <aethera> david__: the correct term is modules
[07:28] <david__> JoePenguin: well what comes up is a dos typr usage
[07:28] <ankit> Hi! I cant get sound to work in KDE but it works fine in GNOME
[07:28] <JoePenguin> david__: oh, i see what you mean
[07:28] <ankit> !
[07:28] <david__> could I have a corrupt installation?
[07:28] <JoePenguin> david__: do you know for a fact that's it is a RAID 0?
[07:29] <aethera> takes 5minutes to setup samba server
[07:29] <aethera> :)
[07:29] <JoePenguin> david__: i very much doubt it
[07:29] <david__> no, I'm very literate in Windows (for my sins), but this is only my second short session on ubuntu
[07:30] <JoePenguin> david__: when i said to try using modprobe instead of insmod, i meant by doing "modprobe raid0"
[07:30] <aethera> david__: format c: /q/y
[07:30] <aethera> install ubuntu!
[07:30] <JoePenguin> he DID install ubuntu
[07:30] <aethera> I know d00d
[07:30] <aethera> but remove windows
[07:30] <aethera> :>
[07:31] <JoePenguin> :|
[07:31] <twstd3bc> is there a seperate ubuntu channel for PPC?
[07:31] <david__> ubuntu is on a drive all of its own
[07:32] <aethera> david__: :>
[07:32] <JoePenguin> twstd3bc: i doubt it, it should function the same as unbuntu x86
[07:33] <knghtbrd> Anyone know of anything for pictbridge cameras?
[07:34] <JoePenguin> knghtbrd: no
[07:34] <knghtbrd> =)
[07:34] <JoePenguin> knghtbrd: that makes no sense
[07:35] <aethera> anyone here ever use a groupware project like ms exhange but a linux version
[07:35] <gabaug> aethera: evolution?
[07:35] <knghtbrd> JoePenguin: it's something digital cameras have that if your software has (windoze software has it), you can do different things, etc.  *shrug*  I don't even know what it is
[07:35] <JoePenguin> aethera: i remember hearing about something called OpenExchange
[07:35] <david__> JoePenguin: I tried various options like raid0 raid1 etc no luck
[07:38] <cthulfuego> Does ubuntu keep a known-bugs database around, like Debian?
[07:38] <david__> aethera: have you got any idea why ubuntu can't see my drives on the raid card?
[07:39] <aethera> module for the raid card anint loaded or built into the kernel
[07:39] <cthulfuego> aethera: What raid card?
[07:39] <knghtbrd> david__: that's not quite enough information for a proper diagnosis
[07:39] <cthulfuego> david__: What raid card?
[07:39] <cthulfuego> aethera: sorry :-)
[07:39] <knghtbrd> david__: could be any number of things..
[07:40] <david__> but it don't seem to be loading, when I open computer only the floppy cd's are seen
[07:40] <slamhound> Has anyone had any experience using libusb to talk to a digital camera using pictbridge (PCT) protocols
[07:40] <cthulfuego> knghtbrd: Is it a real raid card or a bad software chip thing that you really shouldn't be using in raid mode?
[07:41] <knghtbrd> heh
[07:41] <cthulfuego> stuff it.
[07:41] <knghtbrd> don't ask me, I'm too cheap to go out and buy RAID stuff
[07:41] <brian> any idea how much disk space i need for compiling a kernel?
[07:41] <cthulfuego> brian: Around 200Mb
[07:41] <brian> arright
[07:41] <brian> thnx
[07:41] <cthulfuego> brian: That does NOT include compiler and dev tools, just source and objects.
[07:42] <knghtbrd> eg, pray nothing happens to my data..
[07:42] <brian> i have kpkgs and fake root and build essentials etc installed
[07:42] <twstd3bc> are the kernel.org kernels good for PPC?  i need 2.6.10 for a USB issue.
[07:42] <brian> i was compiling just it stoped and i found 0 bytes left in drive
[07:42] <cthulfuego> brian: whoops :-)
[07:43] <carthik> I want to buy a wireless LAN card 802.11b/g for my desktop at home. Which ones work for sure with Ubuntu, with packages in Warty?
[07:43] <evilmegaman> anyone here now know about the cd drive not being detected?
[07:43] <cthulfuego> carthik: www.prism54.org
[07:43] <twstd3bc> or does Ubuntu package 2.6.10 somewhere for PPC?
[07:43] <JoePenguin> knghtbrd: you don't need to buy a raid card... you can do raid in software :)
[07:44] <carthik> cthulfuego, thanks, I would have loved to know which card was up and running from the beginning for folks, in general - one that also works well
[07:44] <knghtbrd> JoePenguin: you need spare drives for that
[07:44] <brian> oh and besides complilers take about 1mb
[07:44] <cthulfuego> carthik: Basically, any card with a _real_ prism54 chip should work. Keep in mind that some listed cards may have multiple versions... and some versions may use a different chip.
[07:45] <JoePenguin> knghtbrd: why?
[07:45] <JoePenguin> carthik: I have a Macsense AeroCard Plus which works fine on Warty
[07:45] <cthulfuego> knghtbrd: I've used Enterasys and Avaya 802.11b pcmcia cards for heaps of laptop installs.
[07:45] <knghtbrd> the R stands for redundant
[07:45] <knghtbrd> keep in mind my Ubuntu box has one drive
[07:45] <JoePenguin> knghtbrd: oh... i guess i'm just using AID on my desktop
[07:45] <carthik> cthulfuego, thanks again. I have gone through two cards already. The first one worked, but sucked when it came to reception. The second- a linksys, requires ndiswrapper (or so I beleive). in any case, it doesn't work... It's good that my roommate knows a wholesaler...
[07:46] <knghtbrd> that I paid $45 for
[07:46] <knghtbrd> =p
[07:46] <cthulfuego> knghtbrd: Actually, you can partition a drive into 2 and raid aprtition one and partition 2 into a single array ;-)
[07:46] <carthik> JoePenguin, thanks a lot
[07:46] <knghtbrd> cthulfuego: um, why?  ;)
[07:46] <brian> omg OOo is huge! there thats all i need for compiling
[07:46] <cthulfuego> knghtbrd: Just to test raid support in the installer on a single-disk crusty laptop
[07:46] <JoePenguin> knghtbrd: i thought about building a RAID with USB keychains, but that would have been silly.
[07:47] <evilmegaman> how am I supposed to use mailing lists? do I just subscribe to them and use daily digest or something then read it in my email?
[07:47] <cthulfuego> Well, that and the crusty laptop has bad sectors
[07:47] <cthulfuego> raiding hda1 and hda3 seems to make it work
[07:47] <JoePenguin> evilmegaman: correct. you can even reply if you feel like it
[07:47] <cthulfuego> ouch
[07:48] <evilmegaman> :) cool. is there a way I can read it like a forum to?
[07:48] <cthulfuego> evilmegaman: Yep, use webmail to read the messages in your inbox.
[07:48] <carthik> evilmegaman, yeah, you can browse the list archives
[07:49] <evilmegaman> :) Cool
[07:50] <JoePenguin> david__: do you have a local linux guru you can ask for help?
[07:50] <carthik> cthulfuego, JoePenguin : MotherLode : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards WOW! :)
[07:51] <carthik> I feel too dumb for words, right now.
[07:53] <brian> is there a program out there to convert music files? can audacity do that?
[07:53] <cthulfuego> from what to what?
[07:54] <JoePenguin> from matter to antimatter
[07:54] <JoePenguin> :] 
[07:56] <JoePenguin> wow, wtf. i'm doing a dist-upgrade and i just saw a package called "bicyclerepair" scroll by
[07:56] <brian> A framework and refactoring tool for Python. IDE Plugins are included for
[07:56] <brian> Pymacs, IDLE and Vim. Using Bicycle Repair Man you can rename classes, methods
[07:56] <brian> and variables, and all users of them are found and adjusted appropriately.
[07:56] <brian>  Homepage: http://bicyclerepair.sourceforge.net/
[07:56] <brian> why da hell did i do that?!
[07:57] <Agrajag> look, it's BICYCLE REPAIR MAN!
[07:57] <brian> dat was a waste of 10seconds
[07:57] <JoePenguin> i don't see how you come up with that kind of name
[07:57] <Agrajag> JoePenguin: it's a monty python reference
[07:57] <aethera> brian: :P
[07:57] <JoePenguin> oh ok
[07:57] <Agrajag> as is "python"
[07:57] <carthik> Urbana-Champagne ... :)
[07:57] <aethera> python is the best
[07:57] <aethera> :)
[07:58] <brian> ok how long on average does it take to compile a kernel
[07:58] <david__> hi I think I made a cock up
[07:59] <JoePenguin> yay, my hoary upgrade completed.
[07:59] <wastrel> hoary eh
[07:59] <JoePenguin> brian: it depends on the cpu
[07:59] <JoePenguin> brian: 10-30 minutes maybe
[07:59] <brian> how bout say a 666mhz
[07:59] <JoePenguin> hm
[07:59] <aethera> brian: 35 minutes
[07:59] <wastrel> .5 hr to 1 hr
[08:00] <aethera> and its 667 actually
[08:00] <wastrel> (guess)
[08:00] <aethera> :P
[08:00] <Agrajag> with a processor exactly that fast, you can harness the power of satan
[08:00] <Agrajag> just sell your soul for a new kernel
[08:00] <Agrajag> it'll be done instantly
[08:00] <brian> lol
[08:00] <bob2> brian: why do you want to build a new kernel?
[08:00] <brian> wacom drivers
[08:00] <brian> tablet
[08:00] <bob2> they don't come with ubuntu?
[08:01] <brian> doesnt work
[08:01] <brian> theres a wiki page on getting it to work
[08:01] <cthulfuego> wacom-kernel-source - Source for the wacom binary modules
[08:01] <brian> hoary imguessing it works
[08:01] <bob2> yeah
[08:01] <cthulfuego> bob2: My wife has been insisting she and I go to Linux.conf.au in Cranberra
[08:02] <bob2> cthulfuego: women are always right
[08:02] <cthulfuego> bob2: But you don't like beer!
[08:02] <bob2> brian: you don't need to build the kernel, just the modules
[08:02] <brian> holy crap how?!
[08:02] <bob2> cthulfuego: we have australia's greatest stout!
[08:03] <bob2> brian: install wacom-kernel-source and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:03] <Tsjoklat> you know it bob2 :P women are ALWAYS right
[08:03] <bob2> and hopefully it has instructions
[08:05] <brian> wacom-kernel source is only in hoary i looked it up
[08:05] <bob2> then get it from hoary
[08:06] <brian> k
[08:07] <mojo> Tsjoklat: lol, not all women are ALWAYS right in Linux except you
[08:08] <Tsjoklat> that is right mojo :P
[08:08] <Tsjoklat> thanks for the compliment mojo hahaha.. I think
[08:08] <mojo> lol
[08:09] <mojo> anyway know how to make GunBound game run under Cedega
[08:09] <Tsjoklat> how are you doing mojo? got all your 'issues' (regarding ubu) sorted out?
[08:09] <bob2> #cedega might
[08:09] <Tsjoklat> you are still on the Cedega drama huh mojo
[08:09] <mojo> k then
[08:10] <pipeline> oh man, Cedega pisses me off.  What a shit product.
[08:10] <cthulfuego> You think?
[08:11] <bob2> cthulfuego: early bird discounts save you big bucks!
[08:11] <bob2> there are plenty of places to drink lattes here, to.
[08:11] <bob2> not all on the Yarra, but still.
[08:11] <mojo> Yarra?..
[08:11] <mojo> sound familiar...
[08:11] <mojo> oh my gosh@
[08:11] <mojo> it's Melbourne in Australia
[08:12] <mojo> rite?
[08:12] <bob2> indeedy.
[08:12] <cthulfuego> yeah
[08:12] <cthulfuego> About 1500m that way <---
[08:12] <pipeline> cthulfuego: Have you USED cedega?
[08:13] <mojo> I was there last week for the deaf olympic
[08:13] <cthulfuego> bob2: yeah, still need to finish our argument about it ;-)
[08:13] <cthulfuego> pipeline: Yep.
[08:13] <pipeline> It's like a year off of the main WINE tree
[08:13] <pipeline> and more shit breaks in every release
[08:13] <bob2> cthulfuego: hah
[08:13] <cthulfuego> pipeline: I use it on my laptop to run SimCity4
[08:13] <pipeline> cthulfuego: I refuse to even install 4.2 because several games stop working.  And winex-cvs doesn't even run things anymore; I swear they're leaving the public tree in a broken state deliberately.
[08:14] <cthulfuego> pipeline: You're probably just using it with crap games.
[08:15] <mojo> pipeline: it's a know issue, if u run Cedega 4.2 on Hoary
[08:15] <pipeline> mojo: I don't run ubuntu at all.  I'm just here to get a "feel" for the community.
[08:15] <mojo> pipeline: due to some diff in lib, Hoary won't coop well with Cedega
[08:16] <mojo> pipeline: really? I did work with me on Warty, but not on Hoary
[08:16] <mojo> pipeline: u should try Ubuntu b/c it runs faster than FC3 hence boots up the performance of the game
[08:16] <pipeline> cthulfuego: Suffice to say, things that work in 3.x break in 4.1.  And things that work in 4.1 break in 4.2.  The reason for this breakage is that Transgaming burned their bridges and treated the community like shit.  As their tree ages and bugs accrete, it's only going to get worse.
[08:17] <pipeline> mojo: Uh, what?
[08:17] <cthulfuego> mojo: pipeline runs Debian.
[08:18] <pipeline> More importantly, what good does boot time do you?
[08:18] <pipeline> I reboot roughly once a month
[08:18] <mojo> oh ic, Debian heh? nice, same bro
[08:18] <pipeline> That's kind of a lousy sales pitch.
[08:18] <wastrel> s/boot/boost/
[08:18] <pipeline> "Our car smells like lilac during an accident!"
[08:18] <wastrel> debian eh
[08:19] <cthulfuego> Debian is your daddy
[08:20] <wastrel> ?
[08:21] <mojo> gosh, it's so boring now in Aus
[08:21] <mojo> my PC can't handle WoW, how sad!
[08:22] <wastrel> i tried to buy a copy of wow the other day
[08:22] <wastrel> sold out everywhere
[08:22] <Grev> WoW, the only reason I still have a windows partition:)
[08:22] <mojo> wastrel: sob, I did buy 1 but unable to play it on my PC
[08:22] <cthulfuego> mojo: Send it to me, I'm sure it'll run here
[08:23] <mojo> cthufuego: lol, sure it will, lol
[08:23] <wastrel> grev ditto
[08:24] <mojo> I better play Gunbound, next week there will be a small competition in BoxHill
[08:25] <brian> will gunbound run on winex?
[08:25] <brian> i always wondered that
[08:25] <Vlad> hi all
[08:25] <mojo> no
[08:26] <wastrel> what's gunbound?
[08:26] <mojo> very fun game
[08:26] <mojo> gunbound.net
[08:26] <Vlad> i'm not using ubuntu *yet*, jsut wondered what you would say makes it better than other distros?
[08:26] <brian> gnome
[08:26] <brian> and apt
[08:26] <cthulfuego> Vlad: The use of the .deb package format and debian package tools.
[08:26] <Vlad> I'm using BSD at the moment and also fedora
[08:26] <mojo> cthulfuego: scary? I dun think so, compared to Footscray, BoxHill is still heaven
[08:27] <wastrel> woo that website crashed firefox
[08:27] <brian> debain compatibility
[08:27] <cthulfuego> mojo: Nah, you gotta look past the drugfucked morons ;-)
[08:27] <Vlad> i read it's based on debian.  is it easier to use than debian?
[08:27] <Grev> Vlad: I think it is the best design linux desktop so far
[08:27] <wastrel> Vlad: it was the easiest linux install i've ever done.  v. polished gnome desktop, well integrated system
[08:27] <mojo> Vlad: yes, far easier
[08:27] <cthulfuego> Vlad: it's certainly easier to install.
[08:28] <mojo> Vlad: Ubuntu is an evolution in Linux desktop, try it and u like it
[08:28] <brian> i just came off mandrake and i find it easier
[08:28] <brian> it=ubuntu
[08:28] <cthulfuego> Vlad: No easier to sue, as it's pretty much identical. Notable exception being the nvidia drivers (which aren't in debian due to licensing issues)
[08:28] <Vlad> easier than mandrake, lol must be easy
[08:28] <Grev> Vlad: oh yeah, other than the partitioning, would be very easy for a newbie to use
[08:29] <cthulfuego> Vlad: A simple install sets you up with a pretty themed Gnome desktop system.
[08:29] <Vlad> i'm not really a n00b, but i'll be installing it for the mother-in-law, so it needs to be fairly 'windows like'
[08:29] <cthulfuego> Real debian sets you up with a basic command line and a note on how to install what you want.
[08:29] <mojo> Vlad: the design is so good, you won't find trash or unused packages in the main CD, only pure GNOME and other good stuff, no such mix stuffs like FC
[08:29] <cthulfuego> Vlad: If you want it to be windows-like, I'd recommend KDE.
[08:29] <Vlad> i'm totally *nix but it's not easy converting the family
[08:30] <brian> and the desktop is all clean when u load it first time :)
[08:30] <mojo> Vlad: if u like the neat GNOME, u'll like Ubuntu
[08:30] <brian> nono! gnome is easier than kde dont overwealm them with features
[08:30] <Vlad> is there only gnome and kde as default?  I liked xfce for the simplicity
[08:30] <cthulfuego> brian: it's easier, but looks different.
[08:30] <mojo> Vlad: GNOME is default, no others WM
[08:30] <Vlad> oh ok
[08:30] <cthulfuego> brian: Which is by far a larger hurdle for users.
[08:30] <Grev> Vlad: also dectect all my devices I plugged in the computer, digital camera and mp3 player
[08:31] <mojo> Vlad: but to get XFCE or KDE, piece of cake in Ubuntu, few clicks and u can switch to XFCE
[08:31] <brian> what attracted me to linux was that it loked different
[08:31] <cthulfuego> brian: I doubt Vlad's mother in law will feel the same way ;-)
[08:31] <brian> good point
[08:31] <wastrel> well windows used to be butt ugly
[08:31] <wastrel> xp isn't so bad anymore
[08:31] <cthulfuego> wastrel: it still is.
[08:31] <Vlad> yea, see i found that with mandrake that it detects everything. I want to get past the whole push-button user distro though, but obviously want to keep it basic enough for the family
[08:32] <wastrel> not as bad as 95/98/nt
[08:32] <cthulfuego> Fisher Price OS
[08:32] <wastrel> eh
[08:32] <brian> i liked luna :(
[08:32] <mojo> honestly to say
[08:32] <mojo> the best for family users distro
[08:32] <brad> hi guys
[08:32] <Vlad> yea I always give credit where it's due. windows may be money grabbin !@#$ but they do make a user friendly desktop
[08:32] <mojo> is Novell Linux
[08:32] <cthulfuego> made by a colour blind designer <heh>
[08:32] <mojo> Ubuntu Linux is still hard for noob
[08:32] <pipeline> User friendly desktop?
[08:32] <pipeline> Are you fucking kidding me?
[08:33] <Vlad> click and go
[08:33] <brian> windows install was harder
[08:33] <wastrel> ubu autodetected my stuff.
[08:33] <pipeline> Bull, bull, bull
[08:33] <mojo> BULL!
[08:33] <brad> sorry to interrupt, but what applet should I used to suspend my laptop using Ubuntu?
[08:33] <brian> it was text too
[08:33] <wastrel> ubu would be hard for a newb to install or admin. but not to use IMHO
[08:33] <cthulfuego> Vlad: Do you *know* how many phonecalls I get from people who just *can't* operate windows?
[08:33] <mojo> Windows is easiest 2nd to BeOS\
[08:33] <brad> I can suspend with the /etc/acpi/actions/suspend.sh script
[08:33] <Vlad> no i'm not.. the amount of times i had an rpm screw up in fedora, never had a failed install in windows
[08:33] <pipeline> Vlad: I have to sit with the MSKB open and at least two CD's of patches to get Windows to work.  And a phone.  So that I may call my Windows administrator friends in order to bail my ass out.
[08:33] <cthulfuego> Vlad: That's a matter of Fedora being low quality, not Windows being good.
[08:33] <wastrel> brad: make a launcher for that script maybe?
[08:34] <mojo> cthufuego: mate, are u working in IT field rite now?
[08:34] <cthulfuego> mojo: yep
[08:34] <brad> wastrel: Thought about that, but needs to run as root - I could perhaps setuid each part of that script
[08:34] <wastrel> eew
[08:34] <pipeline> Vlad: It's easy for you to say Windows is easy because you're thoroughly familiar with it.  I say FreeBSD is easy, because that's what I'm most familiar with. Can't fault that they make a darn good end-user desktop.  Gee golly, tcsh sure is easy.  And so on.  *rolleyes*
[08:34] <mojo> cthufuego: mate can u introduce me into the field? I just want to know more OZ ppl in the field so I can get out of my jobless state
[08:34] <brad> yeah, that's what I thought
[08:35] <Vlad> i still disagree to an extent.  i never said windows is good, just more poitn and click stuff
[08:35] <Vlad> easier for the mother-in-law
[08:35] <pipeline> No, you said it was easier.
[08:35] <pipeline> I contest that it may be better, but it is certainly not easier.
[08:35] <wastrel> Vlad: ubu's default desktop should be sufficiently point n click for a user.
[08:35] <Vlad> where did i say that?
[08:35] <cthulfuego> Vlad: 's why my mother in law runs MacOS X. Pretty. Simple. Unix.
[08:36] <mojo> cthufuego: I dun mind using MacOS X, it's UNIX in the core
[08:36] <Vlad> well i would get mac but it's more expensive.  that's why i want an easier nix distro for her, so it runs on lesser hardware
[08:36] <cthulfuego> mojo: How do you mean? All I have is a small business
[08:36] <cthulfuego> Vlad: *nod*
[08:36] <cthulfuego> Vlad: XFCE4 on Ubuntu should be fine.
[08:36] <Vlad> pipeline, I didn't say it was easier at all
[08:36] <pipeline> Vlad: It's always important to remember that what you think is easy may not be.  There's lots of people out there who can't handle spyware and can't dig through the MSKB.  And don't immediately assume your mother-in-law is an idiot, either.
[08:37] <brad> thanks for the help wastrel, I gotta shoot
[08:37] <Vlad> thanks, i'd got her used to xfce, and i always limit the icons to only what she needs ;)
[08:37] <mojo> cthufuego: If ur biz is not far from my place, can u accept me as ur apprentice? I just want to learn more in the field, I dun care about salary
[08:37] <pipeline> Vlad: You said it was user-friendly.  I consider fixed-size fonts and endemic mal-ware problems user hostility.
[08:37] <Vlad> i never said she was an idiot.. i live with her ;)
[08:38] <Vlad> ahhh, see i consider plugging in her usb camera that isn't recognised in nix to be user friendly
[08:38] <wastrel> i tell you what ubuntu's the first linux distro i'd consider setting up for my mom
[08:38] <Vlad> i had to hack about with the drivers to get it working on my bsd box which i don't mind
[08:39] <Vlad> yea i think i got convinced when someone said it was easier than mandrake, lol
[08:39] <wastrel> yeah too bad the camera manufacurer only provided 'doze drivers :/
[08:39] <brian> me lol
[08:39] <Vlad> lol i totally agree but it's what we face
[08:39] <Vlad> and until that sort of crap gets sorted out, nix will still be a niche market
[08:39] <pipeline> Eh, I never had those kinds of problems.
[08:39] <mojo> Vlad: if some decent corp like Adobe port their programs to Linux, I reckon there will be a big evolution in desktop market
[08:39] <pipeline> My mother bought a camera at christmas, plugged it in, and it showed up on the desktop.
[08:39] <Vlad> luckily people like you will help do that
[08:40] <Vlad> that's nice her cam worked, mine didn't
[08:40] <pipeline> mojo: I doubt it.  Adobe photoshop costs 750$ on windows.  A windows license costs 0$ for a business.  Training is expensive.
[08:40] <pipeline> mojo: It's unlikely that Linux will ever make it on the corporate desktop.
[08:41] <Vlad> there's actually decent alternatives to premiere out there, photoshop i'd almost say gimp but the interface needs a little tweaking
[08:41] <Vlad> mainly 'coz people are used to pshop
[08:41] <wastrel> and the name is a fucking dealbreaker
[08:41] <wastrel> pardon my language
[08:41] <mojo> cthufuego: I'm very experienced with Win, Linux, Spam Removal, Install/troubleshooting hardware, and I'm pursuing Telecommunication degree rite now, can u consider accept me to work for u in this summer holiday?
[08:41] <wastrel> but no business is going to deploy a product named "gimp"
[08:41] <wastrel> no large business anyway
[08:41] <Vlad> lol you could always sell it that 'can be used by gimps'
[08:41] <brian> yea you dont want "made with gimp" on the bottom of ur images :/ sounds...
[08:42] <mojo> wastrel: correct, I still hate GIMP, compared to Adobe PS, GIMP is a like s***
[08:42] <wastrel> well i've never used adobe ps.  i rather like the gimp, despite the name
[08:43] <wastrel> not that i do much image stuff :] 
[08:43] <brian> "pimp" photo image manipulator project sounds better
[08:43] <Vlad> can i go back to cams.  I also have a veo webcam that works with the ibmcam driver but lacks scaling.. any ideas?
[08:43] <mojo> LOLZ
[08:43] <Vlad> if i reduce the cam iimage size, it just crops the output
[08:43] <cthulfuego> The main problem with Gimp is total lack of Pantone support
[08:43] <Vlad> i thought they had a pantone plugin
[08:43] <cthulfuego> they do?
[08:43] <Vlad> i saw a thread relating to it
[08:44] <Vlad> coiuld be wrong..hope not though, lol
[08:44] <cthulfuego> payware?
[08:44] <Vlad> probably seeing as it's a TM'd name
[08:44] <cthulfuego> well, I've already paid for PS <heh>
[08:45] <Vlad> i had a couple more questions about ubuntu if that's ok
[08:45] <cthulfuego> knock yerself out
[08:45] <Vlad> i take it then it'll be just like running debian?  or do they have a different type of file install/upgrade process?
[08:46] <wastrel> no it's apt
[08:46] <Vlad> i'm familiar with debian too, so it would be handy
[08:46] <cthulfuego> No, just use apt-get, dselect, apatitude or synaptic.
[08:46] <Vlad> ah ok, done that route so that's ok
[08:46] <wastrel> so apt-get, synaptic, aptitude, dpkg, dselect
[08:46] <cthulfuego> aptitude even
[08:46] <cthulfuego> The only difference is the url's in sources.list
[08:46] <Vlad> use synaptic with fedora.. so much better
[08:46] <Vlad> ok cool
[08:47] <brian> www.ubuntuguide.org everything essential for ubuntu
[08:48] <Vlad> and how about running cedega, i've not looked if it's supported but presume the debian offering is ok?
[08:48] <Vlad> the only thing i got back to windows for is games these days
[08:49] <brian> dpkg install cedega like deb
[08:49] <stuNNed> does apt-cache policy only work on installed packages?
[08:49] <Vlad> although i work for nintendo so ibecoming a console freak
[08:49] <cthulfuego> Vlad: Dunno, amd64 here, no cedega for me
[08:49] <wastrel> stuNNed: no it should work on anything
[08:49] <Vlad> great, so no excuse to run wondows now
[08:49] <stuNNed> wastrel, thanks mate
[08:50] <Vlad> it won't do the 64 dance :( damn
[08:50] <Vlad> i won't be upgrading for a bit then (hardware)
[08:51] <brian> is this the official ubuntu channel?
[08:51] <brian> lol
[08:51] <wastrel> calendar and to-do list application?
[08:51] <wastrel> what's your favorite (besides evo)
[08:51] <Vlad> going back to someone mentioning a nvidia issue, is it better to stick with my ati h/w if i'm using ubuntu?
[08:52] <pipeline> No.
[08:52] <pipeline> ATI drivers are pure shit.
[08:52] <Vlad> hmmm i think evo is the only one i used!
[08:52] <pipeline> nVidia drivers are a pain in the ass, but they work most of the time.
[08:52] <Vlad> haha ati drivers have always been shite
[08:52] <Vlad> even when they went to catalyst
[08:52] <pipeline> Uh, I think you mistake the meaning of "pure shit" in this context.
[08:52] <Vlad> i had a 64mb VIVO when it first came out... took 12 months before it was really *useful*
[08:52] <BrettMeister> Anyone here be willing to send a reliable install disk to me?
[08:52] <brian> nvidia works perfectly here, just when i remove load dri and glcore it crashes so i left those
[08:52] <pipeline> Vlad: We're talking roughly 10% of the performance you'll get in windows.  On a good day.  With geometry problems.
[08:53] <wastrel> pipeline: is that why tuxracer is so weird on my system
[08:53] <Vlad> ouch, 10%? i'll forfeit the new cards for a bit then
[08:53] <pipeline> wastrel: Very possibly.
[08:53] <pipeline> nvidia's linux drivers are crap
[08:53] <pipeline> ATi's are just unusable.
[08:54] <twstd3bc> where can i download PPC kernels?  the kernel.org kernels don't allow you to select the right subarchitecture.
[08:54] <Vlad> tuxracer varies per card.  ati 7200 smooth, 9200, i get out of sunch frames
[08:54] <wastrel> i'm happy enough that pymol works well
[08:54] <Vlad> sunch = synch
[08:54] <alka_trash> pipeline: my nvidia card works great
[08:54] <Vlad> what nvidia model is it?
[08:54] <pipeline> Vlad: With the 7200 and 9200, you can use open source drivers, which, while slow, are far, far, far better than the ATi binary drivers.
[08:54] <Vlad> i grabbed aa 9200 ati as it was on sale for $40
[08:55] <Vlad> 128meg.. nice cheap for the 2nd computer
[08:55] <pipeline> alka_trash: hahah, whatever. The nvidia drivers are unstable garbage and everyone knows it perfectly well.
[08:55] <alka_trash> mine is a 4200 TI with 128m
[08:55] <cthulfuego> ANd yes, the ATI 9600+ drivers are crap, which is why I went nvidia.
[08:55] <alka_trash> pipeline: what card do you suggest to use then
[08:55] <wastrel> i have 9600 mobility in my lappy - tuxracer is freaky bad
[08:55] <Vlad> ok pipeline, so if ati and nvidia ar eno good, wuggestions?
[08:55] <pipeline> My suggestion is that you give up and pick up a vendor supported OS.  Buy Sun or something.
[08:55] <Vlad> crap i cant type, it's chilly
[08:55] <pipeline> You're damned if you do and fucked if you don't.
[08:55] <wastrel> is this also why i get screen corruption sometimes waking up from suspend?
[08:56] <brian> well i think he was exxagerating the nvidia case
[08:56] <wastrel> or coming back to X from console
[08:56] <alka_trash> I think the pipeline is on DRUGS
[08:56] <Vlad> you get that weird startup issue with xorg where is doesn't clear the screen garbage from the previous exit?
[08:57] <wastrel> Vlad: i'm in xfree
[08:57] <brian> oh ubuntu is a xfree distro
[08:57] <alka_trash> what's next AMD is unstable and Intel is crap?
[08:57] <Vlad> well i kna agree with pipe but only in a win vs nix issue.  you either go with the 'supported' os or you suffer the issues
[08:57] <aethera> mount /dev/hde1 /mnt/raid1 -o rw,user
[08:57] <aethera> seems correct?
[08:57] <wastrel> brian: warty is xfree hoary xorg
[08:58] <brian> oh i thought ubuntu was commited to xfree
[08:58] <brian> nvm then
[08:58] <Vlad> any of you guys do nix for a living then?
[08:59] <alka_trash> I set up for a kiosk at work :)
[08:59] <Vlad> cool
[08:59] <aethera> Vlad: I do
[08:59] <alka_trash> It was my only way of sneaking it in
[09:00] <Vlad> i did a search on dice.com for jobs on the west coast (US) last week, more returns on nix positions than win...i'm feeling happy ;)
[09:00] <brian> umm who was it i was asking bout the wacom before? i got kernel headers and wacom source ? where do i lok for instructions for compiling or how do i?
[09:00] <alka_trash> it's funny the users don't even know it's not windows
[09:00] <aethera> brian: google :P
[09:00] <Vlad> yea i worked for a streaming video company before nintendo...got them to put in a nix server to use alongside the win servers and they loved it
[09:01] <alka_trash> I even went as far as using a windows Internet Explorer icon
[09:01] <Vlad> now that's what i ant to do..streaming vid for the home in nix
[09:01] <aethera> ant?
[09:01] <Vlad> want
[09:01] <aethera> :P
[09:01] <Vlad> sorry, bad typing tonight
[09:01] <aethera> I wrote a server in php
[09:01] <aethera> for music streaming
[09:01] <Vlad> flaming cold here
[09:02] <Vlad> i gave up writing shit and stck with darwin
[09:02] <Vlad> i'm not about to reinvent the wheel, just run it more open source ;)
[09:02] <aethera> its was 10 lines of code
[09:02] <aethera> :>
[09:02] <Vlad> lol, sweet
[09:03] <Vlad> the only coding i did was a front end for the tv stations and selection of streaming movies/audio
[09:03] <alka_trash> nice, did u start a project page on freshmeat
[09:03] <aethera> brb goto reboot
[09:03] <aethera> urg nop
[09:03] <Vlad> brb meself, gotta empty the floodgates
[09:03] <aethera> alka_trash: no it was for another company
[09:03] <notdenizen> fabbione, are you around ?
[09:03] <aethera> its was copyright
[09:03] <brian> i have a 386 kernel do i get 386 or 686 headers?
[09:03] <alka_trash> damn
[09:04] <wastrel> 386 yo
[09:04] <aethera> hah
[09:04] <aethera> I was almost sarcastic
[09:04] <aethera> brb
[09:04] <brian> k
[09:04] <alka_trash> so when is xorg going to start using nvidia,ati to speed up things?
[09:04] <cthulfuego> Vlad: vlc
[09:04] <gabaug> brian: if you have a 686 machine, you can upgrade to the 686 kernel, though
[09:04] <cthulfuego> alka_trash: it is.
[09:04] <alka_trash> oh
[09:04] <froust> so when is ati going to start using linux to speed up things?
[09:04] <alka_trash> that's that then  :)
[09:04] <gabaug> heh
[09:05] <Vlad> back
[09:05] <cthulfuego> alka_trash: I'm using Xorg on my nvidia card with drop shadows and transparency.
[09:05] <Vlad> yea using vlc but they don't have loop functions for single item stream
[09:05] <alka_trash> do you have to enable that in xorg.conf
[09:05] <alka_trash> ?
[09:05] <notdenizen> linux-patch-ubuntu-2.6.10_2.6.10-8_all.deb   <- are these the patches required to make 2.6.10 play nice with wine ?
[09:05] <Vlad> for vls anyway
[09:05] <cthulfuego> Vlad: it's GPL, add it and submit a patch ;-)
[09:05] <Vlad> haha yea i should
[09:05] <cthulfuego> alka_trash: yes.
[09:06] <alka_trash> cthulfuego:  what do I have need to add?
[09:06] <cthulfuego> alka_trash: But ubuntu (as opposed to debian) has precompiled nvidia kernel modules.
[09:06] <Vlad> it would'nt be that hard really but honestly, they are fantastic coders and i think if it could be done within their current code, it would have
[09:06] <cthulfuego> alka_trash: http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909
[09:06] <alka_trash> cthulfuego: awesome thanks
[09:07] <cthulfuego> alka_trash: After you install xserver-xorg, just make the changes that page lists.
[09:07] <Vlad> so all u guys from the US in here?
[09:07] <cthulfuego> Vlad: No!
[09:07] <froust> negative.
[09:07] <wastrel> i'm in US
[09:07] <alka_trash> cthulfuego: I can't use hoary's xorg? :(
[09:07] <brian> ahh found 686 image
[09:07] <cthulfuego> Vlad: take that back or I'll spal you!
[09:07] <Vlad> lmfao, hold on there!
[09:07] <cthulfuego> alka_trash: Yes, you sure can (as long as you're on hoary)
[09:07] <Vlad> i'm in seattle but only by 4 years
[09:08] <Vlad> from the UK
[09:08] <alka_trash> great, finished with that ( I'm in hoary )
[09:08] <cthulfuego> Only 4 years to make you retarded and assume everyone else is a yank? ;-)
[09:08] <cthulfuego> alka_trash: Then just add in the Extensions block on xorg.conf
[09:08] <notdenizen> is anyone running 2.6.10 and wine succesfully ?
[09:08] <gabaug> Canonical is UK based, no?
[09:08] <Vlad> haha, nope but i have enough trouble with my family in the UK...it's a long story but this time of night, i assume only yanks online
[09:08] <alka_trash> cthulfuego: okay  :)
[09:09] <froust> gabaug: yup
[09:09] <froust> <--- canadian
[09:09] <cthulfuego> Vlad: it's only 7pm in Australia
[09:09] <froust> I was born in Australia
[09:09] <Vlad> i'm actually looking forward to coming home... seems like more nix jobs in europe these days
[09:09] <cthulfuego> and europe will be waking up and going online
[09:09] <Vlad> ack sorry, i don't even think of oz :
[09:09] <Vlad> :(
[09:09] <TTilus> Vlad: US?  no, been once though
[09:10] <Vlad> i kinda like it here when i talk to the right people
[09:10] <Vlad> it's certainly not like the tv that's for sure, lol
[09:10] <Vlad> but hen the uk from here is still living the 1920's
[09:10] <Vlad> tv is an awful influence the world over
[09:10] <cthulfuego> Vlad: Depends on where you go. When i was in LA, there really were cops pullings cars over and waving guns around.
[09:11] <cthulfuego> Vlad: And in Buffalo some people DO have cabinets full of guns in their houses, and proudly say they could kill someone at 150m.
[09:11] <wastrel> i've never been to LA or Seattle
[09:11] <Vlad> ok but that still doesn't mean anything.  i could go to a couple of places in london and see guns floating around
[09:11] <wastrel> or buffalo
[09:11] <david__> aethera, I'm back
[09:12] <Vlad> that's becasue buffaolo is in the deep south... those inbreds are fucking loons
[09:12] <Vlad> pardon me french
[09:12] <cthulfuego> Vlad: South? it's on the canadian border.
[09:12] <wastrel> Vlad: buffalo new york?
[09:12] <brian> lol
[09:12] <Vlad> no, buffalo texas
[09:12] <Vlad> haha, yea sorry there are a ton of places with the same name here
[09:12] <alka_trash> cthulfuego: thanks, so what did I just do?
[09:13] <mikael_> I i can't install synaptic cause it says that libapt-pkg can't be installed because it chooses apt instead? But i can't uninstall apt just to get synaptic to work can i ?
[09:13] <alka_trash> cthulfuego: I added that section to xorg and restarted Xorg
[09:13] <cthulfuego> alka_trash: You just installed xorg and enabled the drop shadow extension.
[09:13] <cthulfuego> alka_trash: Run 'xcompmgr -c'
[09:13] <Vlad> I did a road trip through LA, vegas and san fran... don't see the fuss really
[09:13] <Vlad> few shootings here in seattle but mostly gangs
[09:13] <Vlad> liek i say, you know where not to go
[09:14] <cthulfuego> That said, there was a car chase and shooting in melbourne the day before yesterday <heh>
[09:14] <TTilus> mikael_: what is "it" which says?
[09:14] <mikael_> TTilus, would you mind explaining what you just said ?
[09:14] <Vlad> we're moving to san fran in september for a couple of years while the wife is at university. then hopefully back home to europe
[09:14] <cthulfuego> Vlad: I can say I have never visited and will never voluntarily visit whilst alive, Planet Texas.
[09:14] <Vlad> lol, yes texas is a strange planet indeed
[09:15] <Vlad> highest rate of the death penalty
[09:15] <TTilus> mikael_: what was the thing that said to you libapt-pkg can't be installed because it chooses apt instead"?
[09:15] <Vlad> anyway, we won't get into politics
[09:15] <mikael_> TTilus, well ... apt when i tried installing libapt-pkg
[09:15] <Vlad> so where u from then?
[09:15] <Vlad> cthul
[09:16] <wastrel> i went to a wedding in austin... pretty nice town.
[09:16] <Vlad> most of the us major cities are quite nice but if you're not 'normal' don't stay long
[09:16] <TTilus> mikael_: are you trying to say that apt and synaptic conflict?
[09:16] <Vlad> that's cool, i hear oz is a great place to live
[09:17] <cthulfuego> That it is.
[09:17] <mikael_> TTilus, well no .. it choices the "apt" package over "libapt-pkg" and therefore i can't install synaptic
[09:17] <TTilus> mikael_: I _do_ have both running...
[09:17] <Vlad> it was my first choice to go from the UK but it's really difficult to get there now... you guys think we are staying for life!
[09:17] <cthulfuego> melbourne weather can be crap (45C and windy or cold & wet) but it's a beautiful city wioth LOTS of good cheap food everywhere :-)
[09:17] <froust> Anyone know the status of the ATI drivers?
[09:17] <mikael_> Because libapt-pkg is a depency to synaptic ..
[09:17] <Vlad> 45C?  i hope you mean F
[09:18] <cthulfuego> Vlad: No, C.
[09:18] <Vlad> 120F?
[09:18] <Vlad> wow
[09:18] <Vlad> that's hot
[09:18] <cthulfuego> Vlad: We get ot northern winds coming from the desert a few times a year. and it gets up to 45C max on days like that.
[09:18] <Vlad> it's 20c here right now
[09:18] <wastrel> it's -2 c here
[09:18] <cthulfuego> feel slike about the same here atm
[09:18] <bj_> im drunk
[09:19] <Vlad> i'm looking forward to living in Cali, it's 60F there right now
[09:19] <Vlad> fed up of rain
[09:19] <cthulfuego> 18.9C
[09:19] <wastrel> heh vlad that's about normal for sf/bay area
[09:19] <Vlad> 33 year old and between living in south UK and Seattle, not had a month without rain
[09:19] <TTilus> mikael_: I seem to have libapt-pkg-dev -doc and -perl, no libapt-pkg
[09:19] <Vlad> yea wastrel i know, that's one of the reason i'm moving!@
[09:19] <cthulfuego> Vlad: You'd have LOVED melbourne last year. Record drought :-)
[09:20] <mikael_> TTilus, hmm strange
[09:20] <wastrel> you will see less rain tho they've had a ton lately
[09:20] <Vlad> sweet, but i hear the aussie not too hot on having the brits stay too long ;)
[09:21] <Vlad> i used to have a few oz friends back in the UK, great guys and know how to party
[09:21] <hilloki> i have some problems can someone please help me
[09:21] <Vlad> after the clubs it was 'so where can we dust our knucles', lol
[09:21] <Vlad> sorry hilloki, what's up?
[09:22] <Vlad> cthulfuego is your best bet in here
[09:22] <TTilus> mikael_: warty or hoary?  what do you have in your sources.list?
[09:22] <hilloki> well im running xorg right now , when i reboot it fails to load the nvidia module and i have to reinstall "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-2-686" to get xorg to work again
[09:23] <hilloki> and im running hoary
[09:25] <Vlad> anything in the logs?
[09:25] <Vlad> to indicate what's failing
[09:26] <hilloki> well when it outputs info on the screen after xorg crashes it says faild to load nvidia module
[09:26] <bob2> 'reinstall'?
[09:27] <hilloki> when i say reinstall i mean "sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-2-686"
[09:30] <TTilus> mikael_: my apt package replaces libapt-pkg-doc and -dev
[09:31] <hilloki> im looking in the xorg log and it also says "Failed to load module GLcore"
[09:31] <TTilus> mikael_: and running warty here
[09:32] <TTilus> hilloki: before or after failing nvidia?
[09:32] <TTilus> (just to get the causality...)
[09:32] <TTilus> (...or possibility of...)
[09:33] <hilloki> after i installed linux-restricted-modules and reboot xorg crashes
[09:34] <aethera> jeez
[09:34] <aethera> why do I always help the sillist people
[09:35] <aethera> trying to teach my gf how to use linux
[09:35] <aethera> :P
[09:35] <hilloki> nvidia fails after glcore
[09:35] <TTilus> aethera: more like s/linux/computer ?
[09:36] <Vlad> iaethera, she can't be as bad as my mother-in-law
[09:37] <TTilus> Vlad: gf = she ?!  (am i missing something...)
[09:37] <aethera> nah she does know how to use a pc
[09:37] <aethera> she wants to compile Gaim from source!!!!!
[09:37] <aethera> stupid slacware bitches
[09:38] <Vlad> haha, at leastshe's on the right lines
[09:38] <Vlad> better thsan a package guru
[09:38] <Vlad> "i'm a nix expert see.....pkg_add blahblah"
[09:38] <TTilus> Vlad: oops... now I got what I was missing
[09:39] <Vlad> lol, guess you did TTilus
[09:39] <TTilus> (grandfather or girlfriend...  what's the difference...)
[09:39] <Vlad> depends if he's any good
[09:39] <aethera> girlfriend
[09:39] <TTilus> :D
[09:40] <aethera> ok goto do some work for a change
[09:40] <Vlad> really?
[09:40] <hilloki> did you guys forget about me? :(
[09:41] <aethera> hahah developing a online video shop
[09:41] <aethera> wtf
[09:41] <Vlad> hey let m know how the vid shop goes.. i'd love to see the code
[09:41] <aethera> Vlad: :>
[09:41] <Vlad> unless it's (C)
[09:41] <aethera> gonna be doing css styles today
[09:41] <aethera> Vlad: gonna be in php
[09:41] <aethera> :>
[09:42] <froust> mmm php
[09:42] <Vlad> nice, i've done a bit 'o that
[09:42] <froust> I gotta learn that someday
[09:42] <froust> anyone know where i can d/l firefox icons/
[09:42] <Vlad> voted the best laguage in 2004 dunno why though
[09:42] <david__> aethera:when you get the time could you contact me either by email or through xchat - thanks
[09:42] <Vlad> from the f/f site
[09:42] <froust> just the icons?
[09:42] <Vlad> from the f/f site
[09:43] <Vlad> or right click-->save as
[09:43] <TTilus> Vlad: a better question would be _who_ voted...
[09:43] <Vlad> lol yea right
[09:43] <twstd3bc> is anyone using a powerpc 2.6.10 kernel?
[09:43] <Vlad> nope :(
[09:44] <TTilus> (Vlad is anyone...)
[09:44] <Vlad> nope, i'm EVERYONE, lol
[09:44] <Vlad> just speaking for myself
[09:44] <TTilus> twstd3bc: twisted python?
[09:44] <Vlad> using a 486 here and 2x1ghz athlons
[09:45] <twstd3bc> twisted cubic
[09:45] <TTilus> too bad
[09:45] <TTilus> ;)
[09:46] <twstd3bc> i just installed ubuntu on a 300MHz Imac-- it's totally amazing
[09:46] <hilloki> anyone know of any good apt repositories?
[09:47] <aethera> david__: yip
[09:47] <david__> ta,
[09:47] <twstd3bc> but i have a wireless usb adapter that needs kernel 2.6.10
[09:47] <Vlad> 3000 imac?  sweet
[09:47] <aethera> guys can you help david__ out while I am busy quick
[09:47] <Vlad> 300
[09:47] <aethera> he is trying to mount a hdd so that a user can read the data
[09:47] <Vlad> ok
[09:48] <froust> anyone know how i can make icons for my usb drive and cdrom show up on my desktop when they're mounted?
[09:48] <Vlad> what you got so far?
[09:48] <david__> Vlad: hi, but I think that you might regret this :)
[09:48] <aethera> is there anygood css design tools for linux
[09:48] <Vlad> how you mounting them froust?
[09:48] <froust> they automount usually
[09:48] <Vlad> dunno about design tools, know of some plugins for firefox though
[09:49] <froust> but i want to make the icons show up on desktop
[09:49] <aethera> Vlad: I will comment as I see stuff posted
[09:49] <aethera> froust: put them in /etc/fstab
[09:49] <aethera> I think bluefish is the best in my case
[09:49] <david__> Vlad: I have a silcon pci 0680 raid card with 1x 160gig hdd and 80 gig hdd can't read either
[09:49] <Vlad> bluefish is cool if you like to hand-code
[09:50] <aethera> david__: it reads as root
[09:50] <aethera> just not as your user
[09:50] <aethera> we have been trough this before
[09:50] <Vlad> david, sorry don't know much about raid :(
[09:50] <froust> cdrom is in fstab
[09:50] <david__> ok, I'm dumb, but hey you can't have evrything, I need a good book
[09:51] <stuNNed> twstd3bc, there is 2.6.10 in hoary afaik, you can try and backport it to warty
[09:51] <twstd3bc> stuNNed:  where do i get it?  do i have to do something special in synaptic/
[09:52] <stuNNed> twstd3bc, not really sure, there is backports project for warty http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ you can put in a request for kernel 2.6.10, i'll second it since from what i hear 2.6.10 is best 2.6 yet
[09:52] <Vlad> i know it's probably a daft question but does everyone in here use ubuntu, or you running other systems too?
[09:52] <jkka> i am using 2.6.10
[09:52] <stuNNed> Vlad, other systems as well here
[09:53] <jkka> from hoary
[09:53] <stuNNed> jkka, how so?
[09:53] <jkka> in warty :)
[09:53] <stuNNed> jkka, lol
[09:53] <Vlad> ok thx, just wanted to make sure
[09:53] <david__> I have just started (yesterday) using ubuntu on this drive, but normally I use win 2k
[09:53] <jkka> i wanted to try it out, if it would fix my problem
[09:53] <stuNNed> Vlad, ubuntu, gentoo, and seldom used winxp on laptop that is dual boot with warty
[09:54] <Vlad> i'm not running uubuntu yet (mostly BSD here) but am using 3 other linux distro's on the other pc's
[09:54] <david__> I was shown this yesterday and was so impressed put it on my spare hdd, but I am having problems
[09:54] <stuNNed> jkka, so you just downloaded it and installed the .deb manually?
[09:54] <Vlad> i was using gentoo but to be honest, although i love compiling, i hate the time it takes to get a gentoo system on the go
[09:55] <jkka> nope, i used the hoary repository for just that
[09:55] <jkka> only the kernel and kernel modules
[09:55] <stuNNed> jkka, ah ok then
[09:55] <stuNNed> jkka,  so temporarily used hoary then disabled that repo?
[09:55] <Vlad> h i agree, i learned a TON with gentoo, it's just my spare tiem is limited and i really don't want to spend it compiling
[09:55] <Vlad> h = oh
[09:55] <twstd3bc> stuNNed: thx, i will investigate
[09:56] <Vlad> even a stage 3 takes a while
[09:56] <froust> gentoo looks interesting, but the whole compiling thing scares me
[09:56] <jkka> stuNNed: yes
[09:56] <Vlad> actually froust, it's a great way to learn
[09:56] <Vlad> jsut take forever
[09:56] <Vlad> i usually compile from sources for my BSD systems
[09:57] <froust> what's the advantage of compiling from source?
[09:57] <Vlad> you get to choose what goes on
[09:57] <calc> froust: it uses your spare time you don't know what to do with
[09:57] <Vlad> processor, included options etc.
[09:58] <Vlad> e.g: in freebsd, if i use the port of php, it doesn't include the mysql stuff with it
[09:58] <melazyboy> I have this friend who has a computer of mine on his network, but torrents are eating all of his upload this is pitifull its so bad its rendering ssh useless
[09:58] <Vlad> compiling the port, i can include it
[09:58] <david__> can anyone suggest where I can get some information on linux and how to get to grips with it, hopefully written for idiots
[09:58] <Vlad> sorry, i meant the package 1st time
[09:59] <Vlad> linux for dummies
[09:59] <david__> thanks
[09:59] <Vlad> i suggest using mandrake or fedora if you're a complete n00b
[09:59] <MobyTurbo> david__, "Running Linux" from O'Reilly
[09:59] <melazyboy> david__: What type of know-how are you looking to get, are you into non-gui elements of linux? or do you want to know how a window manager like gnome or kde differs from explorer?
[10:00] <Vlad> only becaus ei've not tried this distro yet ;)
[10:00] <calc> ubuntu is much easier to use imho than rpm based ones
[10:00] <knghtbrd> Vlad: I wouldn't
[10:00] <Vlad> i've only had bad crap happen with rpms
[10:00] <melazyboy> I would suggest never trying a .rpm distro because you will ammount to anything except an agrivated newb if you do =/
[10:00] <Vlad> but i usually put that down to just me
[10:01] <stuNNed> jkka, thanks for the info, going to try that on the laptop, as anything ubuntu kernel 2.6.8 or less my modem is borked
[10:01] <MobyTurbo> Vlad, Ubuntu is newbie-friendly. May I suggest to stop reccomending other distros than Ubuntu at least until you have tried it.
[10:01] <knghtbrd> Vlad: Fedora has too many things that only work on Fedora, and then not always.
[10:01] <Vlad> i don't agree with the rpm bit.  if you want a basic system that 'looks' like windows.. feora or mandrake is perfect
[10:01] <froust> Vlad: I've used mandrake and fedora
[10:01] <froust> and ubuntu is by far easier
[10:02] <Vlad> Moby, that's why i put 'not tried this distro'
[10:02] <Vlad> same to froust
[10:02] <melazyboy> there is nothing 'perfect' about mandrake
[10:02] <Vlad> did i say perfect?
[10:02] <MobyTurbo> Vlad, then you aren't qualified to comment, at least on the #ubuntu channel.
[10:02] <melazyboy> Vlad: yes, you did
[10:02] <knghtbrd> Ubuntu isn't too bad
[10:03] <knghtbrd> it has the basic assumption all Linux dists have: you can figure out how to partition a drive
[10:03] <Vlad> dude, he asked for a comment and i gave it.  i also put in i hadn't tried this distro, so others could comment
[10:03] <knghtbrd> beyond that, it is pretty much automatic
[10:03] <Vlad> saee that's a point, not many desktop users know how to partition properly
[10:03] <micahf> hi
[10:03] <knghtbrd> there are rough edges, but a user doesn't see them
[10:04] <micahf> does anyone know why my keyboard won't work when I run the install disk for ubuntu?
[10:04] <micahf> I'm on a mac
[10:04] <micahf> usb
[10:04] <Vlad> and i didn't mean perfect system
[10:04] <froust> vlad: i commented :)
[10:04] <Vlad> i said if they were looking for a windows alternative, madrake and fedora were perfiect
[10:04] <micahf> it boots right in to linux, but then when the blue install screen comes up, I can't move anything
[10:05] <Vlad> micahf, you using a usb k/b?
[10:05] <micahf> yea
[10:05] <micahf> it works fine with gentoo and debian disks
[10:05] <micahf> but I don't want them
[10:06] <micahf> gentoo has to compile everything from scratch
[10:06] <david__> sorry folks was looking on the net, just loaded ubuntu and have general problems, like I don't know what the hell I'm doing this is so different from windows
[10:06] <micahf> scratch = source
[10:06] <micahf> and debian needs like 9 cds
[10:06] <Vlad> i had the same issue with fedora until i changed the kernel version... maybye the ubuntu gurus can answer how to change kernel versions
[10:06] <micahf> for the live cd?
[10:06] <MobyTurbo> david__, what in specific do you need help with?
[10:07] <melazyboy> Vlad: but there not mandrake is a horrable distro that brings nothing to the table, it holds no advantages anymore almost what so ever, granted it has a few utilities that work decent with kde, but they don't rival that of say SUSE with SAX2, and fedora is a devel distro thats cracked up with hype and isn't even all that user friendly
[10:07] <Vlad> i'm using a hp usb k/b and it didnt' like earlier kernel versions
[10:07] <david__> I would like to use this at work so really need to get my head around it
[10:07] <calc> micahf: file a bug about the issue and it might be able to be corrected for the next install update
[10:07] <hilloki> is anyone using xcompmgr ?
[10:08] <MobyTurbo> david__, what sort of information do you need us to give you?
[10:08] <zAo^> morning all
[10:08] <Vlad> "Vlad: but there not mandrake is a horrable distro that brings nothing to the table"  sorry but that's just crap.  mandrake is the best bet for people coming dtraight from windows.  it's build off redhat and autodetects stuff that most other ditros can't
[10:08] <MobyTurbo> Vlad, my USB keyboard works fine with all Ubuntu kernel versions.
[10:09] <Vlad> anf again i emphasise that i've not used ubuntu yet
[10:09] <Vlad> Moby, is it a hp k/b
[10:09] <micahf> yea mobyturbo, but mine doesn't
[10:09] <MobyTurbo> Vlad, yes.
[10:09] <froust> vlad: you should
[10:09] <Vlad> thewn you'r eone up on me because mine won't work yet
[10:09] <micahf> my apple usb k/b
[10:09] <MobyTurbo> micahf, I understand that - unfortunately I don't know much about the ppc platform.
[10:09] <Vlad> sorry about the typing :(
[10:10] <Vlad> micahf, which kernel version you trying?
[10:10] <Vlad> brb
[10:10] <MobyTurbo> Vlad, Ubuntu uses 2.6 kernels, which support USB keyboards quite well. (This support has been in kernel versions since 2.4)
[10:11] <david__> mobyturbo: anything that help me to get to grips with all the mount and stuff
[10:12] <mojo_> hellooooo peeeeeple... I got a <hope> simple </hope> question...  How do I make Nautilus open to the same window by default, as opposed to always opening new windows as items are selected.  Peace/Thx
[10:12] <MobyTurbo> david__, what are you trying to do with mount?
[10:12] <melazyboy> david__: Mount isn't that difficult, google for fstab, and mount, and you will know what you need to know
[10:13] <Vlad> Moby, there is an issue with hp multimedia k/b, i know this firsthand using one :(
[10:13] <cthulfuego> hilloki: I am.
[10:13] <MobyTurbo> david__, when you google, you might want to use the special google Linux page http://www.google.com/linux
[10:13] <melazyboy> david__: fstab can be thought of like a bookmark for mount, in the sense that you add it once and can then access it with the mount point, in addition it will mount automagically unless given noauto option
[10:14] <MobyTurbo> Vlad, I have a Hewlett Packard computer with a USB keyboard that includes multimedia buttons.
[10:14] <david__> right, I can't see two of my hdd's which are on a raid card, I could see them when I used the live cd, but when I installed I haven't been able to see them in computer, one drive has loads of music on which I want to see if I can get music player to recognise
[10:14] <knghtbrd> ah, problem identified (or at least localised)
[10:14] <Vlad> is it the internet k/b
[10:14] <MobyTurbo> Vlad, it does say "internet" at the top
[10:15] <knghtbrd> I still have a 2.6.8 kernel from last night's warty install,
[10:15] <Vlad> no, not the internet name,m it has to be the 'model'
[10:15] <MobyTurbo> Vlad, and has several buttons for bringing up IE
[10:15] <Vlad> it's programmable and that causes an issue with some kernels
[10:15] <MobyTurbo> Vlad, if it's a problem with old kernels then this isn't a problem with Ubuntu since Ubuntu uses a very recent kernel.
[10:16] <Vlad> i didn't say old kernels
[10:16] <Vlad> mine works with 2.4
[10:16] <Vlad> nothing else
[10:16] <MobyTurbo> Vlad, incidentally, mine is programmable, hp sent me a patch that changed it from launching lycos to launching netscape.com
[10:16] <Vlad> 2.6 it won't even recognise
[10:16] <Vlad> i use a usb to ps/2
[10:17] <Vlad> you only get 2 options moby?
[10:17] <MobyTurbo> Vlad, well, the only way you'll find out if Ubuntu works on your system is if you try it. Your warning people not to use ubuntu on #ubuntu is getting to be quite annoying.
[10:17] <Vlad> Moby back off, i'm NOT telling them NOT to use it
[10:17] <david__> melazyboy: hi when I did manage to mount the drives with aetheras help when I tried to open the drive it said that I didn't have the right permissions or wasn't the owner
[10:17] <Vlad> i'm comparing kernel issues
[10:18] <MobyTurbo> Vlad, you are warning them of problems that you don't know if they exist or not.
[10:18] <Vlad> which is distro independant
[10:18] <froust> can't we all just get along?
[10:18] <stuNNed> Vlad, MobyTurbo: sheesh :P
[10:18] <Vlad> no, the hp k/b issue is documented on the hp site
[10:18] <MobyTurbo> Vlad, for which kernel?
[10:18] <melazyboy> david__: Was it a fat32 drive?
[10:18] <MobyTurbo> uname -r
[10:18] <Vlad> yes we can get along!
[10:18] <MobyTurbo> 2.6.8.1-4-686
[10:18] <david__> no ntfs
[10:19] <melazyboy> david__: you can't write to ntfs in linux
[10:19] <Vlad> Moby, he said he had problems, i told him i had a similar situation.... not dissing this ditro at all, can't you see that
[10:19] <david__> oh bloody hell
[10:19] <melazyboy> david__: You can only read, and modify a file (if it doesn't entail changing its size -- ie a 10byte file must stay exactly 10bytes)
[10:19] <david__> no one told me that until now
[10:19] <Vlad> i'll be trying this distro tomorrow and i'll tell you if i have the same issue
[10:20] <paulproteus> david__: NTFS read works; NTFS write does not.
[10:20] <MobyTurbo> Vlad, OK. In the meantime, please stop giving people advice to use other distros.
[10:20] <Vlad> i WASN'T
[10:20] <froust> BASICALLY
[10:20] <froust> different strokes for different folks
[10:20] <melazyboy> david__: You should know the ONLY partition type that can be read by both windows and linux is the vfat, or fat32 -- other versions of fat will also work but are depreciated.
[10:20] <Vlad> i was teling them what worked with the k/b from what i used so far
[10:21] <david__> ok I shall have to take this drive out go back to windows and try to do something about this
[10:21] <Vlad> NTFS is unpredictable... go to ther site ;)  if i say more, i'll get beaten on by Movy
[10:22] <MobyTurbo> Vlad, no, this NTFS problem exists on all distros, and you've been accurate.
[10:22] <Vlad> lol thanks
[10:22] <cthulfuego> ack!
[10:22] <Vlad> it's a case that MS won't open the code
[10:22] <Vlad> a shame reallly
[10:22] <david__> what a surprise :(
[10:22] <stuNNed> ntfs is very complex fs, hard to reverse engineer afaik
[10:23] <cthulfuego> So is spaghetti.
[10:23] <Vlad> exactly but why reverse engineer. you should co-operate with the community then you'll ge more backing
[10:23] <mkerby> I've got a problem with my sound and KDE.
[10:23] <david__> I know I'm tring to work out how to save all the data so that I can convert the drive back to fat32
[10:23] <MobyTurbo> Vlad, I don't think Microsoft will be co-operating with the Linux community anytime soon. :)
[10:23] <Vlad> spaghetti is just too complex to code, i suggest you visit another planet
[10:24] <mkerby> I've got a Soundblaster Audigy Platinum soundcard.
[10:24] <melazyboy> stuNNed: Thats is correct, above and beyond just being a complex file system, it has a complex database that keeps tracks of the files, and the calls to it are equally complex -- i was reading a paper about it and it was pretty far over my head, i don't think linux will ever have native support for writing to ntfs
[10:24] <Vlad> true Moby but considering theirt roots lie in nix coding, i think they'll come around at some point
[10:24] <mkerby> Everytime I try to install KDE the sound goes out.It possibly breaks the driver.
[10:24] <knghtbrd> bah, I need a better kernel mirror
[10:24] <mkerby> Is there anything I can do?
[10:24] <knghtbrd> 638k/s, depressing
[10:24] <Vlad> hwo do you mean'sound goes out'
[10:25] <melazyboy> mkerby are you using OSS or ALSA?
[10:25] <Vlad> lol boy knows what i was going to ask
[10:25] <mkerby> I use alsa.
[10:25] <mkerby> When I install KDE I have no sound after that.
[10:25] <MobyTurbo> Vlad, Linux is Microsoft's competition, and in what way, barring the XENIX product they sold to SCO twenty years ago, is Microsoft a Unix shop?
[10:25] <knghtbrd> um, does Ubuntu use any typical patches to its kernels I should know about?
[10:26] <cthulfuego> knghtbrd: Just the debian ones I think.
[10:26] <Vlad> i never said that, i just said that they started that way and at some point they'll nbedd to come full circle....or they'll die out
[10:26] <Vlad> nbedd?
[10:26] <Vlad> need
[10:26] <melazyboy> mkerby: try 'dd count=5 bs=1024 if/dev/urandom | aplay' to test alsa
[10:26] <knghtbrd> cthulfuego: well crap, I couldn't even get Debian to patch its kernel to work with ATA100 back in the day.  That's why I stopped USING Debian.  ;)
[10:27] <Vlad> and nix isn't competition at the moment, except on the server front
[10:27] <melazyboy> mkerby: try 'dd count=5 bs=1024 if=/dev/urandom | aplay' to test alsa
[10:27] <knghtbrd> (Does woody's kernel support ATA100 after 3 years?)
[10:27] <cthulfuego> knghtbrd: What controller?
[10:27] <MobyTurbo> Vlad, Microsoft can't become a commercial Unix shop. All of the i386 Unix shops have literally gone out of business except for SCO, which is basically a litigation company now.
[10:27] <cthulfuego> knghtbrd: Woody's 2.4 kernels have for YEARS
[10:27] <knghtbrd> cthulfuego: any, 2.4.18 lacked the support
[10:27] <stuNNed> melazyboy, any clue if two soundcards can use the same /dev/dsp?
[10:27] <melazyboy> mkerby: try 'dd count=5 bs=1024 if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp" to test OSS, you might also want to check your sound mixer with alsamixer
[10:27] <knghtbrd> cthulfuego: they wouldn't apply the 2.4.19-pre1 patch for the woody boot CDs
[10:27] <froust> sudo really bothered me at first, but it's actually kinda nice now
[10:27] <MobyTurbo> well, there's also Solaris x86...
[10:27] <melazyboy> stuNNed: To my knowledge, no.
[10:28] <Vlad> Moby you'r emissing the point... i don't suggest they do but unless they embrace a more open source community, they'll die out
[10:28] <cthulfuego> knghtbrd: No, they don't upgrade kernels in woody. Ever.
[10:28] <cthulfuego> knghtbrd: They backport features.
[10:28] <lukasz> hi everyone
[10:28] <knghtbrd> cthulfuego: I protested this a month before woody's release.  Woody shipped without the IDE patch.
[10:28] <melazyboy> stuNNed: i only say that because how would you be able to target a sound card if you did such a thing?
[10:28] <Vlad> SCO can kiss my ass, they won't score any points in the courts
[10:28] <cthulfuego> knghtbrd: Well, these days you just install a newer keenel on woody, eh?
[10:28] <lukasz> can some one help me
[10:29] <stuNNed> melazyboy, ok then so if two soundcards installed then have to tell program to use either dsp or dsp1?
[10:29] <lukasz> can somee one hel plz?
[10:29] <knghtbrd> cthulfuego: chicken/egg
[10:29] <melazyboy> stuNNed: not to say that you could have /dev/dspX point to /dev/dsp to have two sound cards play the same thing, but i doubt thats the effect your going for
[10:29] <MobyTurbo> lukasz, just ask
[10:29] <knghtbrd> cthulfuego: how do you install a new kernel if the install CD doesn't see your HD?
[10:29] <Vlad> lukasz, someone will i fyou state your issue
[10:29] <mojo_> got my answer on nautilus config... gconf!
[10:29] <mikael_> I'm trying to install synaptic but that isnt possible cause it doesnt want to install  libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 because it choices apt instead. But therefore synpatic can'
[10:29] <mikael_> can't be installed
[10:29] <cthulfuego> knghtbrd: It's not impossible to compile a new kernel on a box with "only" UDMA66
[10:29] <lukasz> where can i make my own website for freee
[10:29] <Vlad> run your own web server
[10:29] <knghtbrd> cthulfuego: unless you haven't got one handy
[10:30] <lukasz> where can i make my own website
[10:30] <lukasz> how
[10:30] <Vlad> you want a howto?
[10:30] <pipeline> This will not end well.
[10:30] <stuNNed> melazyboy, basically use one sound card for certain apps and another for other apps, one using optical out, one using analog out
[10:30] <Vlad> i'll dig up some links for you
[10:30] <hilloki> cthulfuego: how did you get xcompmgr? did you compile?
[10:30] <lukasz> whene
[10:30] <melazyboy> stuNNed: That would agree with what i would assume, either the program or the sound daimon
[10:30] <Vlad> what do you have st up now?
[10:30] <Vlad> set
[10:30] <knghtbrd> cthulfuego: I happened to, though, and since woody's installer sucked anyway, I upgraded my potato installer to use 2.4.19-pre1 and to unpack a woody system instead of potato
[10:30] <melazyboy> daemon*
[10:31] <lukasz> nothing i want to make my own website
[10:31] <linuxboy> when I apt-get upgrade from the security tree... It leaves the packages for the kernel behind, why is that?
[10:31] <lukasz> but free
[10:31] <mkerby> melazyboy, I tried those. It didn't recognize if/dev/urandom
[10:31] <stuNNed> melazyboy, so could have, say, all /dev/dsp* point to /dev/dsp?
[10:31] <knghtbrd> my potato installer was basically an automated version of Gentoo's install instructions  ;)
[10:31] <stuNNed> melazyboy, symlink?
[10:31] <melazyboy> stuNNed: You might want to ask an esound, or artsd guru about that, it would apply to very few people
[10:31] <stuNNed> melazyboy, ok thanks!
[10:32] <lukasz> Vlad: did you find any
[10:32] <MobyTurbo> linuxboy, include linux-386 (or linux-686, -k7, etc.)
[10:32] <melazyboy> stuNNed: You could but then i would assume both cards would play the same sound at the same time, or your computer could explode knocking out every major city -- never tried it =/
[10:32] <melazyboy> mkerby: its if=/dev/urandom
[10:32] <MobyTurbo> linuxboy, rather, apt-get that.
[10:32] <Vlad> lukasz, you got paache running yet?
[10:33] <lukasz> what patch?
[10:33] <Vlad> paache = apache
[10:33] <lukasz> whats apache
[10:33] <Vlad> what OS you running?
[10:33] <MobyTurbo> lukasz, apache is the most popular webserver, and it runs on Linux
[10:33] <melazyboy> lukasz: most stable, secure and fastest web server ever
[10:33] <stuNNed> melazyboy, asking in #alsa :)
[10:33] <lukasz> how can i make a website on that server
[10:34] <mkerby> I ran alsamixer. All looks fine.
[10:34] <mkerby> melazyboy, I tried that too with a similar result.
[10:35] <mkerby> It just doesn't like /dev/urandom at all.
[10:35] <linuxboy> MobyTurbo: will the kernel install fine? Is there a reason why it didnt include it?
[10:35] <lukasz> how do i make website on apache
[10:35] <melazyboy> mkerby: So your not getting any sound at all. and you tried both of those commands i gave you, and when you use alsaconf to check mixer settings they are all turned up to 80%
[10:36] <melazyboy> mkerby: you should have /dev/urandom, all distros should have it enabled
[10:36] <melazyboy> lukasz: thats question is to broad, its like saying 'how does a computer work'
[10:36] <MobyTurbo> linuxboy, apt by default does not install kernel upgrades. apt-getting linux-### is a kludge, it has a dependency on the kernel and pulls it down.
[10:37] <lukasz> sry
[10:37] <Vlad> actually apache isn't the most secure, but it's the most widely used ;)
[10:38] <mkerby> melazyboy, yes.
[10:39] <mkerby> When I try to look for /dev/urandom I get command not found.
[10:39] <mkerby> I'm a real newbie, BTW
[10:39] <linuxboy> If I want a new FireFox for my warty, where should I get it from? Hoary?
[10:40] <stuNNed> linuxboy, backports: http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[10:41] <melazyboy> mkerby type this 'type /etc/init.d/urandom'
[10:41] <linuxboy> stuNNed: whats a backport?
[10:41] <melazyboy> linuxboy: Yes hoary.
[10:42] <MobyTurbo> linuxboy, an adaptation of a package for a later version to an earlier one.
[10:42] <re-mind> Is it necessary to burn a cd with ubuntu to install it? cant i install it from the harddrive?
[10:42] <melazyboy> linuxboy: edit /etc/apt/sources.list change warty to hoary in the non-source listing, issue an apt-get update, and then apt-get install mozilla-firefox, change your listing back to warty, and issue another apt-get update
[10:42] <MobyTurbo> linuxboy, it's not a good idea to mix hoary and warty, and hoary is buggy and not for novice-use.
[10:42] <stuNNed> melazyboy, can i do the same for 2.6.10 kernel in hoary?
[10:42] <melazyboy> re-mind: are you running linux?
[10:43] <re-mind> melazyboy, nope.. win
[10:43] <melazyboy> stuNNed: yes, you can
[10:43] <stuNNed> melazyboy, then what is the purpose of backports then? that seems much easier.
[10:43] <MobyTurbo> melazyboy, with pinning you don't need to do that, but in general such mixing isn't safe, even with pinning.
[10:44] <tuppa> bizzaro
[10:44] <tuppa> gdm couldn't start once I just did a dist-upgrade on hoary
[10:44] <mkerby> melazyboy, I got "/etc/init.d/urandom is /etc/init.d/urandom
[10:44] <mkerby> Weird.
[10:44] <melazyboy> re-mind: Then its impossible to my knowledge, you would need to restart to write over you mdb, windows nt/2k/xp won't allow you to do that
[10:44] <tuppa> gconfd complained something about scim, I did a apt-get --purge remove .*scim.*, then start gdm again, no problems
[10:44] <MobyTurbo> stuNNed, the purpose of backports is to provide a safe route to install hoary packages in warty.
[10:44] <Vlad> wow,never been kicked from an irc before
[10:45] <re-mind> melazyboy, okay. thx
[10:45] <stuNNed> MobyTurbo, thought so.
[10:45] <linuxboy> MobyTurbo: whats a backport? how does it work?
[10:46] <bob2> I do hope the backport people have some sort of plan for people who migrate to hoary
[10:46] <MobyTurbo> linuxboy, the backports are later versions of software, compiled with the older version's libraries and dependencies.
[10:46] <MobyTurbo> bob2, yeah, that's the drawback of backports.
[10:46] <melazyboy> mkerby: Excellent type '/etc/init.d/urandom start'
[10:46] <linuxboy> MobyTurbo: so, a firefox backport is a new version of FF for ubuntu?
[10:47] <melazyboy> or just '/etc/init.d/urandom'
[10:47] <MobyTurbo> linuxboy, a firefox backport from hoary is a new version of ff for warty Ubuntu.
[10:47] <linuxboy> MobyTurbo: oic
[10:47] <stuNNed> bob2, right now it seems the list of software is pretty short, at least what i've installed here from backports, could probably follow the downgrade guide on the wiki to get back to official warty, no?
[10:48] <melazyboy> Vlad: What makes you say apache isn't the most secure?
[10:48] <bob2> stuNNed: yeah
[10:48] <bob2> stuNNed: but it's being recommended to random newbies who won't be able to manage that by themselves
[10:49] <stuNNed> bob2, ah ok, i'll shut up then :)
[10:49] <melazyboy> Vlad: Im not able to think of any other web server that has lived up to the tests of apache -- which generally speaking has issued no critical bugs for version 1.3 in the like the past 5years, and 2.0 hasn't issued one in the past 2yearish
[10:49] <MobyTurbo> bob2, they won't be able to manage hoary by themselves either.
[10:49] <mkerby> melazyboy, it says it's initializing the random number generator, whatever that means.
[10:49] <Vlad> there's been a lot of recorded hacks to apache.  i believe iirc that zeus is the most *secure* but as i din;t use it fulltime i can' tcommant on that
[10:49] <melazyboy> mkerby: It means its starting, what should have already been started. =/
[10:49] <bob2> MobyTurbo: sure, but whn hoary becomes stable and they all start upgrading...
[10:50] <spacey_ki> Vlad, lot of hacks are because of server side scripting i think, like php mess
[10:50] <Vlad> i use apache2 and have been hacked a couple of times
[10:50] <melazyboy> Vlad: I can't think of any 'hacks' to apache only the insecure modules that run ontop of it
[10:50] <Vlad> that's true, but there are ways to prevent that type of hacking
[10:50] <mkerby> melazyboy, I'm sorry to be an idiot, but what does this thing do?
[10:50] <spacey_ki> its not that hard to crack a site with flaky php scripts and no additional security measures
[10:50] <MobyTurbo> bob2, backports are certainly safer than mixing hoary and warty packages as has been suggested as the alternative.
[10:51] <Vlad> oh i agree but still, apache is the backend, so it should be able to intercept the attacks at the very least
[10:51] <spacey_ki> Vlad, maybe you should lookinto mod_security
[10:51] <melazyboy> mkerby: There is a little chip on your computer there generates random numbers based on its core temperature and time (afaik) that enables linux to read it so we can spew it out to your sound card and test for static
[10:51] <bob2> MobyTurbo: yeah, true
[10:51] <spacey_ki> that will help a little
[10:51] <Vlad> already running it ;)
[10:51] <Vlad> yes it does help but i'v estill been hacked
[10:52] <spacey_ki> Vlad, then run grsec with strict ACL's for apache
[10:52] <melazyboy> mkerby: In doing so we bypass the sound daemon and the decoding processes and can obtain a true test with as few unknowns as possible
[10:52] <spacey_ki> that way the apache user doesn't have any unneeded rights
[10:52] <Vlad> only time i knew it was when my web page had changes too
[10:52] <mkerby> melazyboy, that's good.
[10:52] <mkerby> What should I do now?
[10:52] <Vlad> i'll look into the strict ACL's.. thanks for the tip
[10:53] <melazyboy> mkerby: type head /dev/urandom, if it screws up your terminal after spewing abunch of crap type 'reset', and come back here and tell me it works
[10:53] <spacey_ki> Vlad, www.grsecurity.net is easy, also www.rsbac.org exists, and you have some posix acl extensions,
[10:53] <Vlad> thanks spacey, that's a great help
[10:54] <spacey_ki> Vlad, i would recommend grsec, it also includes other security patches, and is quite easy
[10:54] <Vlad> is it only for apache?
[10:54] <spacey_ki> its not for apache
[10:54] <spacey_ki> its for the system/kernel
[10:54] <mkerby> melazyboy, I guess it worked because I certainly did get a lot of crap :)
[10:54] <spacey_ki> but that will help apache security a lot:)
[10:54] <melazyboy> mkerby now try those two lines i sent you before =D
[10:54] <Vlad> i usually like to try out differnent servers, so that'll help
[10:55] <spacey_ki> yeah
[10:55] <Vlad> i loe apache but as it's so popular, it's becoming a big target
[10:55] <Vlad> loe = love
[10:55] <melazyboy> Vlad: ... so?
[10:56] <spacey_ki> Vlad, because its popular people keep an better eye on its security.
[10:56] <Vlad> so....what?
[10:56] <Vlad> not true, i see windows as having the biggest security flaws but it's popular
[10:56] <melazyboy> so your making the statment that apache is becomming a big target because its popular, seems like a silly statement
[10:57] <Vlad> silly? not really. people hack what is the most widely used
[10:57] <spacey_ki> Vlad, windows is closed, so not much anyone can do besides MS
[10:57] <Vlad> you disagree with that?
[10:57] <melazyboy> Vlad: So why don't they just hack the iptables and fuck over the whole linux server community?
[10:57] <spacey_ki> unpopular projects might not have a lot of known exploits however its probably easier for an experienced person te find exploits in it.
[10:58] <Vlad> this is true but for a hacker it's always gets more limelight to get soem of the big fish
[10:58] <spacey_ki> Vlad, if you configured grsec correctly even apache exploits wont matter much, so dont worry ;)
[10:58] <Vlad> ok i won;t then  :)
[10:58] <MobyTurbo> if popularity was the only metric for security, then apache would be less secure than the less popular webserver MS IIS. It isn't.
[10:58] <Vlad> actually Moby it's on a par
[10:59] <mkerby> melazyboy, both times I got "5+0 records in 5+0 records out..."
[10:59] <Vlad> a hacker can gain acess in the same time to IIS
[10:59] <melazyboy> mkerby: Any sound?
[10:59] <mkerby> melazyboy, yes. Brief static.
[10:59] <melazyboy> mkerby: Excelent, see your sound works!
[11:00] <Vlad> like spacey said, it's how you as an admin, cover your tracks
[11:00] <melazyboy> mkerby: Try turning up the volume..
[11:00] <mkerby> melazyboy, I'm glad. I just hope it works if I install KDE...
[11:00] <Vlad> i dodn't know about grsec, so hopefully that'll cover me a little better
[11:00] <mkerby> melazyboy, volume is up.
[11:02] <melazyboy> Vlad: your opinions suck, nothing is less secure because it is more popular there is no corelation between popularity and security; your arguement is moot.
[11:02] <Vlad> er not really
[11:02] <MobyTurbo> Vlad, there are significant architectural faults in Windows that will always mean that it's less secure with any Unix.
[11:03] <MobyTurbo> s/with/than
[11:03] <Vlad> MS owns over 95% of the desktop market, logistically, it WILL be mor einsecure
[11:03] <Vlad> insecure
[11:03] <Vlad> d'ho
[11:03] <bob2> no, that doesn't follow at all
[11:04] <nevyn> MobyTurbo: I'd disagree. linux in a number of ways has more attack vectors than windows.
[11:04] <melazyboy> Vlad: Apache is for all intensive purposes with no modules is as close to 'inhackable' as can be achieved. its open source, 50,000 people have their eyes on it, and no one is seeing anything, no records of active bugs, no critical improvements in design can be made
[11:04] <Vlad> Moby I agree, but this was an apache and IIS issue, apache has less issues than windows but that DOESN'T make it less insecure
[11:04] <bob2> they have, say, 20 times time the revenue of the entire linux indsutry, they should be able to spend far more on security
[11:04] <TerminX> it's insecure because "security through obscurity" doesn't work, it being popular only affects how fast issues are found, not how secure it is as a whole
[11:04] <bob2> yes, exactly
[11:05] <TerminX> and in the OSS world, more popularity = more issues found = more patches = more secure
[11:05] <Vlad> ok i gove you this metaphor then
[11:05] <TerminX> it revolves around such obvious points
[11:05] <Vlad> why ar ethere more bad women drivers int eh the world
[11:05] <bob2> Vlad: do you have statistics to show that?
[11:05] <MobyTurbo> TerminX, the reason why this conversation is taking place is because Vlad is a troll.
[11:05] <bob2> or is this "argument by analogy with bad stereotypes"?
[11:05] <melazyboy> Vlad: omfg what a stupid claim MS owns over 95% of the market so their products will be more insecure, what does MS market share have to do with their programming style, using your same rediciolus arguement, linux has less people looking at it because less people use it and the hackers are distracted with windows, therefore one can only conclude that the mass of the bugs in linux are yet to be discovered
[11:06] <Vlad> bob2, look at apahe's webiste.  i don't say they'r e not he most secure. but they have EQUAL amount of security patches by their own admission
[11:06] <bob2> Vlad: ok
[11:06] <TerminX> Vlad: I wasn't aware that stupidity (resulting in bad driving) was at all gender specific.  You seem to be pulling it off just fine, by your logic does that make you female?
[11:07] <Vlad> ? you're missing the point
[11:07] <Vlad> more women dont mean women are bad drivers
[11:07] <bob2> Vlad: please go away
[11:07] <Vlad> it means that statistically there are more bad women driver
[11:07] <Vlad> s
[11:07] <bob2> Vlad: go away
[11:08] <TerminX> indeed, go away
[11:08] <melazyboy> Vlad: go away
[11:08] <bob2> this is a) off-topic and b) stupid
[11:08] <Vlad> why go away?  if you can't compete against an argument that's fine
[11:08] <bob2> no, your argument is moronic
[11:08] <Vlad> i never started the argument
[11:08] <bob2> which is why I'd like you to leave
[11:08] <bob2> excellent
[11:08] <bob2> then yo're welcome to drop it and stay
[11:08] <TerminX> I thought idiocy was more of a disability than an argument, personally
[11:09] <Vlad> what argument?  this was all about apache being 'the most secure system'
[11:09] <Vlad> which it's not
[11:09] <bob2> cool, thanks
[11:09] <Vlad> welcome
[11:09] <melazyboy> your opinions are a) rediciolus b) falacies of equivocation, because more = more, does not mean windows has more users and therefor more bugs are found.
[11:09] <bob2> melazyboy: thanks for dropping it, too
[11:09] <Vlad> er bugs?
[11:10] <mkerby> Vlad, I've got to leave soon and I'm curious. What *is* the most secure system?
[11:10] <Vlad> i sai dthat STATISTICALLY, because the market share is greater, of course there will be mor eissues
[11:10] <bob2> thanks for dropping it gyus
[11:10] <Vlad> so far the best system i found was openBSD
[11:11] <mkerby> Thanks, Vlad.
[11:11] <Vlad> but i am open to argument on that
[11:11] <TerminX> bob2: consider it dropped from my end
[11:11] <bob2> thank you, I appreciate it
[11:11] <melazyboy> bob2: And mine 23:09 Ignoring ALL from vlad
[11:11] <Vlad> lol thanks
[11:12] <bob2> try #advocacy or #fanboygirling or something
[11:12] <Vlad> *yawn* dude if you'r ereally not into someone else conversation that's fine
[11:12] <melazyboy> or #stupidopinions
[11:13] <bob2> excellent
[11:13] <Vlad> uh huh
[11:13] <mkerby> I've got to go. Thanks for all the help. Goodnight
[11:13] <melazyboy> you guys hear about the #python
[11:13] <melazyboy> that amuses me
[11:15] <melazyboy> as my friend tells me, they had a problem with over population of irc rooms, so they imployed a sophesticated system of admin bots, to kick users from #python to #python2, and so of coarse #python became the place for all of the 'cool kids' to hang out who had seniority and what not and #python2 became a newb channel, well as time went by of coarse #python became full of bots, and now #python2 suffered the same problems as #python, 
[11:16] <melazyboy> that amuses me.
[11:16] <bob2> managing large IRC channels is hard
[11:16] <melazyboy> I bet the bots are written in perl
[11:16] <bob2> #ubuntu'll eventually hit a wall, too
[11:17] <Zertox> hey all
[11:17] <Vlad> hi zertox
[11:18] <melazyboy> bob2, yea but it seems silly to draw an random line on the number of users, i mean using idle time as a kick factor would make alot more sense if that was their problem, or just banning people from #python-legit to #python-kids, where the ban stick was pulled out for non-python discussion in #python-legit
[11:18] <Zertox> downloading ubuntu to try it for the first time :)
[11:18] <bob2> melazyboy: idle time as a kick factor is silly, since htere's no cost to having silent people in a room
[11:18] <Vlad> me too, will be installing tomorrow
[11:19] <Zertox> ill be installing it in 15 mins or so.  i messed up my gentoo and i realy dont fel like waiting another 24 hours for everything to be compiled
[11:19] <Vlad> lol i was saying the same earlier.... i left gentoo becasue i never saw the point in long compilers
[11:19] <melazyboy> bob2 their complaint was the roomlisting being too large, im guessing it might have interfered with tabbed completion, you would need to type 3 letters =/
[11:19] <Vlad> compilles
[11:20] <bob2> melazyboy: they need better IRC clients then
[11:20] <bob2> irssi takes into account both people who have talked and people you've talked to when tab-completing
[11:20] <melazyboy> bob2: Im a big fan of irssi myself using it now
[11:21] <bob2> woo
[11:21] <Zertox> i hope the amd64 version is a bit up to date Or i'll have alot of work (might be good) to help maintain it :)
[11:21] <bob2> it's as up to date as the other two ports
[11:22] <Zertox> good :)
[11:22] <melazyboy> bob2: seems silly though, i mean i would think it would be easier to compile a list of off topic keywords, and ban on them instead maybe post to a fourm and have people vote on wheither or not to ban
[11:22] <Zertox> 10 minutes remaining :)
[11:22] <bob2> melazyboy: autobanning is terrible, too
[11:23] <bob2> and letting people vote on banning requires people to be sane human beings on IRC
[11:23] <melazyboy> seems like a much lesser evil than segmenting rooms
[11:23] <spiral> hi
[11:23] <melazyboy> bob2: a little misanthropic are we?
[11:24] <bob2> melazyboy: no, I just think IRC brings out the absolute worst in people
[11:24] <Vlad> zertox, let me know how the v64 goes.  a couple people bitching about it earlier, so i'm not upgrading the h/w until i know it's worthwhile
[11:24] <warty> melazyby: David here,  I have just rebooted the machine with the live cd and guess what I can access my raid drives, why can't I do this on the installed version
[11:24] <bob2> maybe you're missing a module on the installed one?
[11:25] <melazyboy> warty: what type of raid, software or hardware?
[11:25] <warty> silicon pci 0680 raid card ultra ata 133
[11:26] <bob2> so it's software-in-a-kernel-module raid
[11:26] <warty> ?
[11:27] <warty> yeh maybe, but
[11:27] <melazyboy> warty: Don't knwo whats happening, it could be a myriad of things
[11:27] <warty> why can the drives be easily read through the live cd and not the installation?
[11:27] <bob2> probably because it's missing a module
[11:27] <bob2> compare the module lists
[11:28] <warty> well thats a bit dumb, anyone got any ideas?
[11:28] <melazyboy> warty: I would assume that you would need to load the module for that card however i don't know what it is or if its working if it is loaded
[11:28] <bob2> warty: try asking on the list
[11:28] <melazyboy> warty: I would suggesting doing what bob2 suggested, cat /etc/modules on both
[11:28] <warty> ok so how do I compare the live vs the installation
[11:28] <bob2> melazyboy: no
[11:28] <bob2> run 'lsmod' on both
[11:29] <warty> have you agreed then?
[11:29] <melazyboy> bob2 has the better idea =/
[11:29] <melazyboy> im working on this horrid perl script my head is going to explode sorry =/
[11:29] <warty> ok I shall go and play and if its ok I shall get back to you
[11:30] <cthulfuego> That's probably the siimage driver.
[11:31] <cthulfuego> I suggest you use that in IDE mode with kernel 'md' raid on top.
[11:34] <warty> cthulfuego: thanks for the help, but I'm very new to linux and this is all a bit confusing at the moment I always need direct instructions
[11:34] <cthulfuego> warty: if you have 2 drives, simply select 'RAID Setup 'in the installer (partitioning stage)
[11:35] <bob2> note that this will make you lose all data on thos disks
[11:35] <cthulfuego> Yes.
[11:36] <Chimp> sup biatches
[11:37] <Chimp> woz down wit da U in the C then?
[11:37] <warty> can't afford to loose any data there's my whole album collection on one drive
[11:37] <Chimp> yo warty, you bangin the strums on the 46's yeah?
[11:37] <bob2> Chimp: please?
[11:38] <Chimp> i got most of 'em man, no where u at
[11:38] <Chimp> yo the bob, sup nigga
[11:38] <bob2> anyway
[11:38] <Chimp> you want me 33ing ya no the babby man?
[11:38] <cthulfuego> Chimp: I think the language used here is english.
[11:38] <Chimp> i'm down wiht it dog
[11:40] <neofeed> is there an easy font-install tool for ubuntu?
[11:40] <cthulfuego> neofeed: apt-get install?
[11:40] <neofeed> would be best if it would check if fonts are broken beforehand
[11:40] <cthulfuego> neofeed: You can just dump fonts in the TrueType directory
[11:40] <neofeed> cthulfuego, dun tell me apt got my font-colelctions.
[11:41] <pmfp> just so you guys know, apt-get dist-upgrade still caughs on apt-get dist-upgrade from Warthog to Hoary, when hitting the python stuff - dependancy conflicts. apt-get -f install solves it, but I guess normal users won't want or know to run that in the middle of the upgrade
[11:41] <cthulfuego> neofeed: No,it has basic fonts. But you can simply add your own.
[11:41] <neofeed> cthulfuego, yep I know .. but I have two problems: a) those are around 6000 fonts. yes a six with thee o's. b) some of them are borken, c) most of them do not have their correct font-name - that sucks.
[11:42] <cthulfuego> neofeed: Pick the ones you'll actually use, copy them across.
[11:42] <pmfp> And many fonts can't use italics or bold, or sometimes not at the same time :(
[11:42] <Chimp> I'm down with that, got me 77 on the fly for a pretty 11. diggin it?
[11:43] <neofeed> cthulfuego, yep. But would be nice if I could get a list of my fonts. and simply drag and drop them into the 'currently available fonts' section and back
[11:43] <cthulfuego> neofeed: Yah, I don't think there are font managers for X as of yet.
[11:44] <cthulfuego> As more people will start using Linux for DTP, probably someone will write something.
[11:45] <Chimp> cthulfuego dawg, hittin the z's on this tag man 'http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/xsoftware.html'
[11:45] <Chimp> gettin all the x fonts you dige, vendi?
[11:45] <Chimp> y'allright know it
[11:46] <TerminX> Chimp: hey Vlad, remember when everyone got tired of you being an asshat half an hour ago?  I bet everyone is getting tired of it again
[11:47] <Chimp> suppin mad dog?
[11:48] <DaNewB> Is there a HOW-TO about Wine installation/setup on Ubuntu website/wiki? Cant find any..
[11:48] <bob2> ah, the same IP as Vlad, I'm a little slow today
[11:50] <DaNewB> ?
[11:51] <bob2> just install 'wine' and 'winesetuptk' and run the latter
[11:51] <DaNewB> bob2, thanks!
[11:54] <DaNewB> bob2, weird.. how come when I select both 'wine then 'winesetuptk' in Synaptic, it deselects 'wine
[11:54] <DaNewB> '?
[11:54] <bob2> I don't know
[11:54] <bob2> are you using just ubuntu?
[11:54] <DaNewB> bob2, sure
[11:54] <Chimp> OR....wine on ubuntu official install : http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[11:54] <Chimp> gettin jiggy wid it
[12:09] <melazyboy> anyone in here good with law?
[12:09] <warty> only employment law (UK)
[12:10] <Chimp> 2 years junior barrister if that's any help
[12:10] <melazyboy> hrm what im needing advice on, im just curious if my employeer had grounds for terminating me
[12:10] <Chimp> US law
[12:10] <warty> chimp: u surprise me after all that weird rap talk
[12:10] <Chimp> what were the reasons
[12:10] <bob2> melazyboy: talk to a lawyer
[12:10] <darksatanic> Possibly more important is what legal system? :)
[12:10] <bob2> warty: Chimp is trolling again
[12:11] <Durakus> how much space does ubuntu take?
[12:11] <bob2> 1.8GB by default
[12:11] <Durakus> thank you
[12:11] <Chimp> legal system is mostly similar in europe to Uk and AUS
[12:11] <Chimp> what grounds for dismissal?
[12:11] <warty> melazyboy: if its uk law there is such a thing as constructrive dismissal
[12:11] <Durakus> what would be a good size partition for it?
[12:12] <Durakus> to give it room to work
[12:12] <Durakus> 10gig?
[12:12] <bob2> that's reasonable
[12:12] <Durakus> would you say its over doing it?
[12:13] <linux_mafia> Durakus, depends what youre doing
[12:13] <melazyboy> I was put into a newly created posisition for the purpose of finding solutions to the problems and finding new faster methods of getting the job done, after i had identified the problem i made a perl script to solve it and every step of the way my manager and my superviser was informed of my progress, they ended up terminating me for downloading the perl engine -- a needed tool for the task of solving the problem at hand
[12:13] <Durakus> I wanna dual boot my computer
[12:13] <Durakus> got a partition for windows
[12:13] <Durakus> wanna make a second for ubuntu
[12:13] <Durakus> i wanna eventually completly converte
[12:13] <Chimp> no grounds for termination on download the engine at all
[12:14] <Chimp> cite the license
[12:14] <linux_mafia> Durakus, for a single user setup, to explore ubuntu as a desktop distro, id say 10GB is plenty
[12:14] <DaNewB> Durakus, 10 gigs including swap and all?
[12:14] <warty> you may have a problem if you didn't specifically ask permission to d/l in particular if it is written in their policies and procedures
[12:14] <Durakus> no just to play with it once i actually switch over i got a 30 gig partition
[12:14] <melazyboy> It seemed rather random and fishy but their reasoning was because i downloaded the perl engine without approval from the IT dept i was in the wrong and after having an employee review wherein i was called 'the model employee' i was terminated. my program increased productivity ~600% for the task and did so while solving the problem they where having
[12:14] <Durakus> ty for the information guys
[12:14] <Chimp> warty, that's only applicable if it's (C) software
[12:15] <Chimp> perl isn't
[12:15] <Chimp> ,el;azy, did iyou get written confirmation of dismissal?
[12:15] <Chimp> melazy even :/
[12:15] <warty> yes but company regulations are different for each company, if they specifically state no d/l then you don't have a leg to stand on
[12:15] <darksatanic> melazyboy: If it's against the company's IT policy to download software, then they may have a point.
[12:15] <bob2> melazyboy: talk to a lawyer
[12:16] <darksatanic> melazyboy: However, it could be argued that the dismissal was excessive.
[12:16] <darksatanic> Talk to a lawyer.
[12:16] <bob2> melazyboy: getting legal advice on IRC is about #1 on the list of stupid things to do
[12:16] <darksatanic> I can probably think of more stupid things, but not many. :)
[12:16] <melazyboy> no, they they gave me an exit interview verbally told me i was being released for violating computer policy and then escorted me out after having me sign papers saying if i had anything that belonged to the company i would give it back
[12:16] <titus_> hello
[12:16] <warty> you could also claim that what you did was correct if you fixed the problem, therefore terminating your employment is illegal and damn right immoral
[12:16] <warty> got to go
[12:17] <Chimp> then i concur if it was company policy not to download, then you don't have a case
[12:17] <melazyboy> join the ranks of the ignored. Ignoring ALL from bob2.
[12:17] <bob2> um, whatever
[12:18] <HappyFool> bob2: what, getting medical advice is #2 ? ;)
[12:18] <bob2> yes
[12:18] <DaNewB> titus_, hello :)
[12:18] <HappyFool> anabolic steroids am good
[12:18] <Chimp> melazy, you need to be able to PROVE that downloading 3rd party is not prohibited in your company then you'd have a case
[12:19] <HappyFool> is normal to have to add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules ? i've got a missing /dev/dsp, and sound ain't working. not helluva sure how i screwed this up
[12:19] <melazyboy> Chimp texas is a 'work at will' state, even if i could prove that would it be a case if i coulden't link it to some type of segragation
[12:19] <Chimp> lol ah dear old texas
[12:19] <aethera> lol
[12:20] <aethera> my is from a much worse place
[12:20] <Chimp> melazy, it's not a segregation case.  if they don't have a software d/l policy, you can sue them to kingdom come
[12:21] <Chimp> if they DO, then it's just a learning experience on your part
[12:21] <bob2> sorry, I mispoke.  #1 is legal advice from a bsd troll.
[12:21] <melazyboy> =/
[12:21] <melazyboy> bah
[12:21] <_d4vid> http://win2k3.by.ru/solaris10_b72.txt
[12:21] <Chimp> i guess i would be the bsd troll ;)
[12:22] <bob2> _d4vid: go away
[12:22] <DaNewB> _d4vid, what's that?
[12:22] <bob2> it's stupid warez
[12:22] <DaNewB> oh >:(
[12:23] <Chimp> links to a software that's now open source ;)
[12:23] <DaNewB> "open-source"
[12:23] <Chimp> try http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/
[12:23] <Chimp> better to get it from the OEM
[12:24] <DaNewB> anyways, im loyal to Linux :)
[12:24] <Chimp> good for you.  I'm loyal to all nix
[12:24] <Chimp> [refer freebsd at the moment though
[12:24] <pipeline> all nix? hahah
[12:24] <Chimp> trying out this dostro tonight
[12:25] <Chimp> oooo the pipe spoke!
[12:26] <Chimp> so melazy, didi your company have a 'no d/l' policy?
[12:27] <pipeline> oh wow
[12:27] <pipeline> I want a solaris 10 box now.
[12:27] <Chimp> it's quite nice but only if you have the hardwar efor it
[12:27] <pipeline> No
[12:27] <Chimp> i jus tdipped into fedora chat, they're bitching like some of you guys
[12:27] <pipeline> I mean, I want a solaris 10 box.  Like the cardboard one it comes in.
[12:28] <Chimp> lol yeah, pshopped quite nice
[12:28] <pipeline> The box design is markedly different from previous releases.
[12:28] <jkka> i just got 10 ubuntu cd "boxes"
[12:28] <klaym> jkka: good for you
[12:28] <jkka> hmm
[12:29] <jkka> not for me
[12:29] <klaym> for whom then
[12:29] <Chimp> ucuntu have boxes???
[12:29] <jkka> good for 10 lucky ppl whos going to get ubuntu installed
[12:29] <Chimp> oops ubuntu
[12:29] <pipeline> Ubuntu will send you a CD for free.
[12:29] <Chimp> coffee coaster?
[12:29] <pipeline> I've seen a photo of it coming in a nice box.
[12:30] <bob2> if you order more than N, you get a display box
[12:30] <pmfp> so here's a question: who pays for Ubuntu's fat ass connection which is never slow?
[12:30] <Chimp> sorry but to remain viable you need to get some sort of recumerbence
[12:30] <jkka> it include both live-cd and installer cd
[12:30] <bob2> X is like 20
[12:30] <bob2> pmfp: Canonical
[12:30] <bob2> Chimp: that's not a word
[12:30] <pmfp> bob2: aha
[12:30] <Chimp> yes it is , i just thought of it
[12:31] <bob2> that's nice
[12:31] <MobyTurbo> Chimp, Mark Shuttleworth is worth hundreds of millions of dollars from his sale of Thwate to Verisign. He owns Canonical
[12:31] <knghtbrd> hmm, there are a few minor niggles I have with Ubuntu, but even a couple of years removed from Linux (and longer from Debian), I had no trouble fixing them
[12:31] <bob2> knghtbrd: e.g.?
[12:31] <knghtbrd> example, gdm at runlevel 2..  I moved it to 3 and changed inittab to match
[12:32] <bob2> knghtbrd: er
[12:32] <bob2> knghtbrd: aren't you a DD?
[12:32] <Chimp> i'm missing the point moby?
[12:32] <knghtbrd> bob2: was.
[12:32] <knghtbrd> I left Debian a few years ago
[12:32] <Chimp> i know who both parties are and the guy but the point?
[12:32] <MobyTurbo> Chimp, your point was that no way ubuntu could afford to do what it does without someone paying for it. Mark Shuttleworth is paying for it.
[12:32] <pmfp> "When I found the power and economic efficiency of Windows to be overpowering"
[12:32] <Chimp> ah ok... thenm SOMEONE  *IS* paying for it
[12:32] <bob2> knghtbrd: 2-5 are identical in Debian (and ubuntu)...if you don't want gdm to run, rm it from /etc/rc2.d
[12:33] <bob2> Chimp: er, of course, they're not magically appearing out of nowhere
[12:33] <knghtbrd> bob2: yes
[12:33] <Synek> hello
[12:34] <knghtbrd> bob2: it was quickly fixable, but this change would have been good to make by default
[12:34] <aethera> haha I finised the css for the online video store
[12:34] <aethera> :>
[12:34] <DaNewB> Synek, good morning
[12:34] <knghtbrd> it's not Debian's way, but Debian isn't always right  ;)
[12:34] <Chimp> lol yeah but that was the point somone was inclining that you get something for nothing
[12:34] <bob2> knghtbrd: but why did you change from 2 to 3?
[12:34] <Chimp> whcih of course you don't
[12:34] <bob2> Chimp: you do get something for nothing
[12:34] <bob2> Chimp: Canonical will send cds to people who ask for them
[12:34] <Chimp> no you don't.  the good nix packs end up costing
[12:34] <knghtbrd> bob2: because I want a graphical boot by default, with a text boot when necessary
[12:34] <Chimp> in the end
[12:35] <jdub> Chimp: shipit.ubuntu.com
[12:35] <Chimp> it used to be free but for example look at mandrake
[12:35] <Synek> I've tried to mount a ufs with -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd, but it didn't work
[12:35] <jdub> also, www.ubuntu.com, read the whole front page.
[12:35] <Chimp> all free until it decided that to continue it NEEDED backing
[12:35] <Synek> There is a bsd slice on /dev/hda2
[12:35] <Chimp> and before you bitch at the flamer, i used to pay monthly subs to mandrake
[12:35] <bob2> Chimp: please stop talking crap
[12:36] <abelli> ciao
[12:36] <pipeline> Chimp: Mandrake was always a retail product for a commercial venture.  Putting up ISO's for download was just a form of advertising.
[12:36] <njs12345> heh
[12:36] <Chimp> bob2, seriously i'm not.  you don't get something for nothing.  you need to get your support cash from somwhere
[12:36] <njs12345> how well can I expect Ubuntu to work with my tablet PC?
[12:36] <bob2> knghtbrd: right, but why would you change the default runlevel then?
[12:36] <pipeline> Chimp: Also, it's always sucked.  I had the first U.S. release of a boxed-product Mandrake and RH5.  I bet you can guess which one I used.
[12:36] <jdub> Chimp: read www.ubuntu.com
[12:36] <bob2> Chimp: yes, you are
[12:36] <Chimp> pipe, the point is, you USED to be able to get it for free
[12:36] <bob2> Chimp: read the website please
[12:37] <Chimp> ok i will
[12:37] <pmfp> Chimp: the end user gets something for very little, an expectation to install it, though not a demand
[12:37] <pipeline> I think a better example would be Progeny
[12:37] <pipeline> I expect Canonical to end the same way Progeny did, too.
[12:37] <DaNewB> pipeline, and what way is that?
[12:37] <pipeline> Another Redhat support company in a shitbucket town in the middle of nowhere, because office space is cheap.
[12:38] <Chimp> pmfp with that i don't disagree buy you hit the nail on the head... it's always SOMETHING
[12:38] <bob2> pipeline: to be fair, we don't have an office at all atm
[12:38] <pmfp> Chimp: TANSTAFL ;)
[12:39] <Chimp> lol surprising i can actually understand that ;)
[12:39] <knghtbrd> bob2: because runlevel 1 doesn't start the system and runlevel 2 has no gdm..
[12:39] <bob2> knghtbrd: runlevel 2 and 3 are identical in ubuntu and debian, and 2 is the default
[12:39] <Chimp> i did read the front page bob2 and i think it's great.  i'm saying that if things are to remain viable, it can't always be free
[12:40] <knghtbrd> bob2: changing the runlevel and removing gdm from 2 means I have 3 levels to start at: single-user, text, and graphical
[12:40] <Chimp> there's a ton of free distro's out there but they don't last long.  this one looks good so i hope it does
[12:40] <bob2> knghtbrd: ok, I'm just wondering why you changed the default runlevel at all
[12:40] <jdub> Chimp: that's the commitment we've made. we will not charge for the distribution.
[12:40] <Tsjoklate> pipeline.. Canonical is not in my town so they must not be in a shyte town
[12:40] <bob2> Chimp: it would be great if you could stop speculating on things you know nothing about
[12:40] <MobyTurbo> Chimp, the person who's backing it is so rich that he paid money to take a ride in the international space station as a tourist. It will take some time for Canonical to be broke, if it ever hpapens.
[12:40] <jdub> pmfp, Chimp: perhaps you need to learn about complements.
[12:40] <bob2> Chimp: there is a commitment to give it away for ever
[12:40] <knghtbrd> bob2: I wanted the text boot option, but it's not the option I usually want, that's all
[12:41] <pmfp> jdub: don't bring me in to this :)
[12:41] <bob2> knghtbrd: so delete gdm from rc2 :)
[12:41] <Chimp> I never knew mark shuttleworth was a SS tourist
[12:41] <MobyTurbo> Chimp, yep
[12:41] <Chimp> they kept that one quiet ;)
[12:41] <knghtbrd> bob2: I did, and I changed inittab to start in 3 by default
[12:41] <MobyTurbo> Chimp, actually that's what he's most famous as to non-techies.
[12:41] <bob2> knghtbrd: er, 'delete it from rc3'
[12:41] <Chimp> then that's great, really.  the nix community NEEDS that type of backing
[12:41] <MobyTurbo> Chimp, the first African (white South African) in outer space.
[12:42] <jdub> pmfp: you seem to think you understand the business model, so i was answering your supposition.
[12:42] <Chimp> lol moby i don't need converting into racial issues ;)
[12:42] <knghtbrd> I could have done that, but that seemed weirder to me
[12:42] <pipeline> bob2: Eh, you're not as much a product of dotcom excess, eh?
[12:42] <MobyTurbo> Chimp, I wasn't trying to do that.
[12:43] <Chimp> and bob2 i'm honestly not specualting about shit i don't know about.  i'm always worried about the long term backing of 'free' os's
[12:43] <bob2> pipeline: work from home = pants optional
[12:43] <jdub> pipeline: we're a product of dotcom success, and fiercely post-dotcom.
[12:43] <bob2> 'nuff said
[12:43] <pmfp> jdub: get off your high horse, I wrote two lines about this: TANSTAFL and that you get an expectation to install it if you order a cd, otherwise it wouldn't be offered, not a demand. Now, I have not said that Ubuntu can't remain free
[12:43] <bob2> Chimp: you keep making claims which people who know what is going on disagree with
[12:43] <smurfix> Chimp: It's simply not THAT important to those people actually working on Ubuntu. (Not to me, anyway...) But I think the experience gives him a unique perspective which Ubuntulinux benefits from.
[12:43] <jdub> pmfp: going the way of progeny, etc. your words. :)
[12:44] <pmfp> jdub: I have not written that
[12:44] <pmfp> jdub: check the log
[12:44] <Chimp> er no actually bob2.  i'm just saying look at the history of things.  money talks
[12:44] <jdub> pmfp: that was pipeline, sorry
[12:44] <pmfp> jdub: np
[12:44] <Chimp> for nix to become the main player, it needs that kind of kudos in the business place
[12:44] <linuxboy> Chimp: Ubuntu is backed by Mark Shuttleworth.... hes loaded with cash
[12:45] <Zertox> is it normal that i have 129 new packages when i upgrade from warty to hoary?
[12:45] <njs12345> Zertox: yes
[12:45] <MobyTurbo> Zertox, that low?
[12:45] <Chimp> :/ yes fine, now i know that this version ogf nix won't be cash dependant ;)
[12:45] <Tsjoklate> conversation is: a) of topic and b) rather unpleasant
[12:45] <njs12345> MobyTurbo: I was thinking the same thing :P
[12:45] <Zertox> been a long time that i used a non "compile everything from source" distro :)
[12:46] <pipeline> I think you're all doomed :|
[12:46] <njs12345> Zertox: were you using Gentoo before? me too :)
[12:46] <jdub> Tsjoklate: unfortunately, it is on topic (which is why i haven't said it yet), but it is pretty pointless.
[12:46] <bob2> pipeline: have some faith
[12:46] <Tsjoklate> jdub: we'll keep it to b than :)
[12:46] <Chimp> I'm still waiting for something my granny can use....whether it be nix or windows i don't really care as log as it works and holds good ethics
[12:46] <ajmitch> considering the recent popularity it wouldn't take too long to be self-sufficient
[12:46] <jdub> pipeline: consider the calibre of people who joined. unlikely that they'd do so if they didn't have some confidence in the strategy. we all remember dotcom failures.
[12:47] <knghtbrd> bob2: basically, this change, while less Debianish, seemed more appropriate.  It's not a big deal, not what most people would want, and something that anyone who would want knows how to do.
[12:47] <njs12345> Chimp: I reckon my granny could use Ubuntu, as long as I'd set it up
[12:47] <njs12345> and my grandparents are pretty non-techie
[12:47] <njs12345> unfortunately, my parents don't share my view :P
[12:47] <pmfp> is the Ubuntu installer based on the new Debian one?
[12:47] <bob2> knghtbrd: sure, was just curious about why you did it that way, but fair enough
[12:47] <bob2> pmfp: yes
[12:47] <knghtbrd> bob2: bigger issue are the recommended packages that don't exist in Ubuntu..  "recommended" in Debian terms strictly means you really really want it unless you really really know what you're doing.
[12:47] <njs12345> pmfp: yes, I think so
[12:47] <bob2> pmfp: s/based on/is with minor mods/
[12:48] <knghtbrd> I realize in the age of apt, that has changed a bit
[12:48] <Chimp> njs but that was a point i made earlier.  while i'm no win advocate, unless the nix community makes a plug n play desktop, then it won't really become the mainstream defacto
[12:48] <knghtbrd> but only because apt lacked a front-end other than dselect to properly enforce recommends.
[12:48] <klaym> old people are stupid to the excess of writing their google searches in this kind of form: "what is the weather like in Bristol?"
[12:48] <njs12345> Chimp: I think we're going that way.. that's the point of Project Utopia
[12:48] <pmfp> If you'd get a GUI for it, would you want it with C/GTK or Python/GTK, and would it be allowed to use libglade? gtkfb?
[12:49] <njs12345> (HAL and D-BUS)
[12:49] <knghtbrd> Obviously the packages in question work just fine without the missing packages, so they should be rebuilt with recommends removed/changed
[12:49] <Chimp> anyway, i got the download, so you should know whether it passes the 'granny test' in about 12 hours ;)
[12:49] <bob2> pmfp: using python means you'll never get it on a floppy
[12:49] <Chimp> njs, see this is all new to me.  i've not hit this distro yet
[12:49] <jdub> pmfp: we're going to use a fairly viciously modified version of the current gtk frontend
[12:49] <bob2> pmfp: there's a few people (mainly colin, iirc) working on using gtkfb
[12:49] <pmfp> bob2: I didn't know it was still available on a floppy :) Though even gtkfb on a floppy seems tough
[12:49] <jdub> pmfp: when development really kicks in, there'll be more noise about it
[12:50] <pmfp> jdub: roger
[12:50] <jdub> bob2: that's not a problem for us
[12:50] <jdub> bob2: our installer doesn't fit on a floppy already
[12:50] <njs12345> it's nice.. definitely the best distro I've used so far :) it's just so cool to be on your first bootup and just be able to plug usb drives and shit in and have them automounted :P
[12:50] <knghtbrd> people who don't date to the days before apt and still use dselect (call me a relic) will find it annoying until it's fixed
[12:50] <bob2> jdub: I think colin wanted to make hoary be installable from floppies
[12:50] <Chimp> but thats common on a lot of ditro's
[12:50] <bob2> jdub: tho I guess that could be text-only
[12:51] <jdub> bob2: reasonably likely that we'll be using python to do the graphical installer right anyway
[12:51] <bob2> knghtbrd: apt and aptitude can use recommends...
[12:51] <jdub> bob2: yeah, there'll always be the fallback
[12:51] <bob2> jdub: oh, ok
[12:52] <njs12345> the one thing I'd like is perhaps it to have three branches.. warty, hoary, and something in between.. hoary is for devs, warty is for non-techies, and the "something in the middle" is for techies/power users who don't mind things being a little broke
[12:52] <pmfp> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[12:52] <DaNewB> njs12345, backports?
[12:52] <jdub> njs12345: there's a totally unofficial backports project.
[12:53] <jdub> njs12345: but that kind of thing will never be supportable
[12:53] <Chimp> ack see i dont' agreewith that.  you need to have a 'foolproof' system for old grannies so the cash comes in
[12:53] <pmfp> heh
[12:53] <njs12345> hmm.. I guess
[12:53] <jdub> njs12345: six month releases, dude. anyone with a short enough attention span to get bored with the stable release should be testing the devel branch./
[12:54] <pmfp> with this short release cycle I don't think that's a good idea, not with backports and a devel branch
[12:54] <Chimp> this is why i don't argue with the windows crowd.. i mean they wouldn't be where they were today without being friendly to the 'idiots' out there
[12:54] <Chimp> adn i'm from a tech b/g  so i'm used to 1 week cycles
[12:55] <Chimp> nix IS getting there but still has a short way to go
[12:55] <Chimp> you can't beat it in the server arket ATM
[12:55] <Chimp> market :/
[01:00] <aethera> damn I such a geek
[01:00] <aethera> my cellphone got a sms and I when to my email to look for it
[01:00] <aethera> wtf
[01:11] <jono> hi all
[01:11] <pipeline> jdub: Heh, that's why I compared Ubuntu to Progeny.  Progeny recruited the founders of the Debian project, after all.
[01:11] <jono> when I run iwconfig the first line gives me eth0      IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"belkin54g" - how do I set the IEEE bit manualy?
[01:11] <jono> when it renews the lease it seems to loose that part
[01:11] <amiroff> Guys, how can I make Evolution _really_ catch the spam? it does not work on freshly installed system here
[01:11] <jdub> pipeline: or, rather, was bootstrapped by the founder.
[01:12] <jdub> amiroff: unfortunately, it doesn't. it requires spamassassin, which we don't ship.
[01:12] <Tsjoklat> amiroff there is a page on the wiki about that
[01:12] <pipeline> jdub: Either way.  They had their high calibre lot as well.
[01:12] <jdub> pipeline: different era.
[01:12] <jdub> pipeline: we're post-dotcom.
[01:12] <pipeline> That alone is not a recipe for success.
[01:12] <amiroff> jdub, I see, gonna get it installed then
[01:12] <jdub> pipeline: most of us have learned it the hard way.
[01:13] <jdub> pipeline: no, that's not the message i was conveying.
[01:13] <jdub> pipeline: i suggested that the people who joined canonical would not have done so unless it were sane.
[01:13] <pipeline> jdub: Learned what? What IS Canonical?
[01:13] <jdub> ajmitch: i tried the ppc cd in pearpc the other day 8)
[01:13] <jdub> pipeline: it's a company.
[01:14] <ajmitch> jdub: you're braver than I thought
[01:14] <jdub> ajmitch: thanks, princess. :)
[01:15] <ajmitch> now that I've got all my computer bits in one place I can start playing with hoary
[01:15] <pipeline> jdub: That much is clear.  But where was it incorporated? Who owns it? I take it that it's privately held, so clearly I cannot dig around for a business plan.
[01:15] <pipeline> jdub: Hmm, actually, I suppose the Isle of Man is small enough that there is no more specific location :P
[01:16] <jdub> see, you do know where it was incorporated :)
[01:16] <stuNNed> jdub, why doesn't ubuntu ship spamassassin?
[01:16] <amiroff> Tsjoklat, ok I hate wikis, so unusable :(
[01:16] <amiroff> Tsjoklat, have direct link by any chance?
[01:16] <Tsjoklat> amiroff it is better then no help no?
[01:17] <DaNewB> amiroff, cmon, make an effort
[01:17] <Tsjoklat> see topic amiroff
[01:17] <jdub> stuNNed: it's in universe. it is an unattractive package to provide support for. (there were a lot of things we didn't add in warty, largely to avoid the 18 month support damage.)
[01:17] <ajmitch> jdub: so when will there be an ubuntu meetup in .au or .nz?
[01:17] <jdub> ajmitch: the next ubuntu conference will be in sydney or canberra, in april. :-)
[01:17] <knghtbrd> bob2: apt can't actually, although aptitude does
[01:17] <jdub> ajmitch: as it happens. :)
[01:17] <amiroff> Tsjoklat, sure, better than nothing, but takes really much effort to find somethin
[01:17] <knghtbrd> aptitude wasn't around for years
[01:17] <ajmitch> jdub: aha, after LCA?
[01:17] <jdub> ajmitch: yeah
[01:17] <firstknight> hi, where can I set which services to load at start up?????
[01:18] <stuNNed> jdub, i take it, it doesn't plug into evolution so easily?
[01:18] <ajmitch> great, I'll see if I can get there. doesn't look likely at the moment tho
[01:18] <jdub> stuNNed: evolution only uses spamassassin. i did some preliminary support for bogofilter (which we do support), but some assumptions in evolution got in the way.
[01:18] <jdub> ajmitch: not going to lca?
[01:18] <amiroff> Tsjoklat, I only could find ItalianDocumentation-howto-SpamFiltering
[01:19] <ajmitch> jdub: uni break starts on anzac day
[01:19] <jdub> perfect timing :)
[01:19] <ajmitch> yep
[01:20] <amiroff> Tsjoklat, found it, never mind.
[01:20] <jono> has anyone else experience a problem in renewing dhcp leases in hoary on a wireless card?
[01:20] <amiroff> Guys, I think http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowTo and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto should be on the same page
[01:21] <DaNewB> firstknight, dont know about services, but you can set startup programs in Computer->Desktop Preferences->Sessions
[01:21] <bob2> amiroff: they're different things
[01:21] <bob2> jono: sometimes, but I don't know if it's a router or hoary problem
[01:21] <njsTablet> heh
[01:21] <njsTablet> this tablet is cool..
[01:23] <whitehawk> hi
[01:23] <knghtbrd> bob2: sorry for delays in responses, was being distracted by the video window, etc
[01:24] <warty> melazyboy: are you still there?
[01:24] <whitehawk> is it possible, that hoary won't boot off from ext3?
[01:25] <firstknight> DaNewB, I know that... ubuntu boot like a crap
[01:25] <jdub> firstknight: it's greatly improved in hoary
[01:25] <bob2> knghtbrd: 'tis fine
[01:25] <jdub> firstknight: there's nothing you can remove from the warty boot process that will speed it up significantly
[01:25] <bob2> knghtbrd: I was almost certain apt had an option for recommends/suggests in 0.6, but I can't see it now
[01:27] <firstknight> jdub, seriously????
[01:28] <jono> bob2, I suspect it is a hoary problem - I will file a bug and see if anyone else experiences it
[01:28] <jdub> firstknight: well, look at what's loaded - nothing much of substance
[01:28] <jdub> firstknight: a huge chunk of the time is spent in hotplug
[01:28] <jdub> firstknight: that's significantly faster in hoary
[01:29] <jdub> but you can't remove it or fix it nicely in warty
[01:29] <firstknight> jdub, networking too......
[01:29] <jdub> only if you're dhcp-ing unnecessarily
[01:29] <Mikey> I had a problem yesterday with logging in and I've discussed it here. I guess I know what is the problem now. When installing (on a brand new disk), I have made 3 partitions: two for ubuntu and one fat32 for windows use. but ubuntu set up the fat32 for itself i guess, so I can't log in now.
[01:29] <Mikey> Can anyone please tell me how to change the default root partition for linux?
[01:29] <firstknight> jdub, if I boot laptop without internet connection, it will dhcp and keep going
[01:29] <firstknight> jdub, without know there is no internet connection
[01:31] <njsTablet> Mikey: edit the grub line
[01:31] <Mikey> njsTablet: can you please tell me how? I am new to linux
[01:31] <njsTablet> press "e" while your cursor in grub is over the kernel you want to boot
[01:31] <knghtbrd> hmm, nah.  It's not worth flooding my inbox with the fla^H^H^Hreplies.  ;)
[01:32] <Mikey> njsTablet: but where :(
[01:32] <njsTablet>  when you first turn your PC on
[01:32] <knghtbrd> ...reposting my 2002-02-07 message to the same list  ;)
[01:33] <njsTablet> .. or you could just reinstall :P
[01:33] <Mikey> njsTablet: I guess you don't understand what I mean. I am already in the ubuntu login screen
[01:33] <Mikey> I log in
[01:33] <jdub> firstknight: yeah, that's annoying. it won't be fixed in hoary, either. but you can always hit ctrl-c.
[01:33] <mirak> hi
[01:33] <knghtbrd> "Three years from now, when you people are finally talking about releasing sarge," etc  ;)
[01:33] <Mikey> after login it tells me that the directory isn't created
[01:33] <Mikey> and it logs me off
[01:34] <njsTablet> oh
[01:34] <ajmitch> is the warty kernel built with CONFIG_IDE_STROKE? I believe it's needed on my (old) computer to see the whole 40GB hard drive :)
[01:34] <Mikey> in recovery console, when i ls /home, it writes directories from fat32 partition
[01:34] <knghtbrd> Mikey: why is /home a fat32 partition?
[01:35] <knghtbrd> wow, that works even?
[01:35] <Mikey> I really don't know
[01:35] <jdub> ajmitch: see /boot/config*
[01:35] <Mikey> may be I set up something wrong in istallation
[01:35] <jdub> Mikey: that really doesn't work well
[01:35] <Mikey> can I change it?
[01:35] <njsTablet> knghtbrd: I think it would, but be kinda messed up and _very_ insecure, because fat32 doesn't have permissions
[01:35] <firstknight> I have installed enlightenment... but there is no option in gdm....
[01:35] <Mikey> I know it doesn't, I can't login because of it
[01:36] <jdub> yeah, copy everything off, unmount it, format it with mkfs.ext3, move everything back
[01:36] <knghtbrd> njsTablet: fetchmail won't work.  Also ssh
[01:36] <Mikey> any way how to change /home partition?
[01:36] <knghtbrd> njsTablet: um, most any program which checks permissions on something for safety reasons would puke.
[01:36] <njsTablet> yeah
[01:37] <Mikey> (I don't want to format it)
[01:37] <pmfp> Mickey: create a new one, copy the contents of the old one to it, change appropriately in /etc/fstab
[01:38] <knghtbrd> Mikey: you need /home to be something writable with proper POSIX permissions.  If you can move that partition elsewhere and use another partition for /home, I can walk you through that
[01:38] <Mikey> oh well i guess I give up :(
[01:38] <knghtbrd> Mikey: if you can split the partition using parted (not sure how offhand) or partition magic (not sure about that either, but you don't need my help), then there's hope
[01:39] <firstknight> jdub, Hi, I can set which services to load up at boot..... use rcconf
[01:40] <Mikey> knghtbrd: sorry, I guess I'm too stupid to understand this
[01:40] <jdub> firstknight: sure, but it won't help a lot :)
[01:40] <knghtbrd> Mikey: I can try to explain better?
[01:41] <knghtbrd> Mikey: basically, you can have Linux partitions mounted anywhere, but /home is one you want to be something like ext3.
[01:41] <Mikey> knghtbrd: if you wouldn't mind
[01:41] <cavediver> Hi guys.
[01:41] <knghtbrd> Mikey: there are ways to split a fat32 partiton without losing its contents, but it does mean the partition shrinks
[01:41] <Mikey> knghtbrd: i'm totally new to this, i don't know what all these terms mean
[01:42] <cavediver> I have a few things not working. I need mplayer, i have no flash, java in FF for example.
[01:42] <knghtbrd> if you have a partition on your HD that you can sacrifice to make it /home, you don't need to split your fat32 drive
[01:42] <cavediver> marillat repository seems down.
[01:42] <firstknight> jdub, at least I can remove cupsys, fetchmail, mdadm services...
[01:42] <knghtbrd> jdub: does this channel have a pastebot?
[01:42] <jdub> firstknight: fetchmail doesn't run anything, mdadm runs a tiny binary (and in hoary, doesn't run anything)
[01:42] <jdub> firstknight: these are not big wins :)
[01:43] <jdub> knghtbrd: people use pastebin or something
[01:43] <knghtbrd> okie
[01:43] <knghtbrd> Mikey: http://sourcefubar.net:8888
[01:43] <knghtbrd> Mikey: paste into no channel (the default is #pilot-link on another network) the output of df -h
[01:44] <knghtbrd> and give me the URL of where it goes to
[01:44] <Mikey> I don't know what you mean
[01:44] <knghtbrd> okay, can you get to a terminal at all?
[01:45] <firstknight> my battery support for laptop is broken with default installed ubuntu.... when I unplug, the battery picture appear, then I plug again, the battery still appears.... any idea to fix it?
[01:45] <Mikey> that's the problem, I don't know how to do that as well.  I have vmware workstation but i have no clue how to use it
[01:45] <knghtbrd> Linux "dos box"
[01:45] <Mikey> im in windows now
[01:46] <knghtbrd> okay, then I need you to describe how you set up your drive when you installed Ubuntu
[01:46] <Mikey> knghtbrd: I have made 3 partitions. as far as I remember, I didn't set up fat32 as the home
[01:47] <Mikey> so there are two for ubuntu and 1 fat32
[01:47] <Mikey> those two the installation made automatically
[01:48] <knghtbrd> Mikey: okay, the two for Ubuntu, how big were they?
[01:49] <Mikey> one i set up to 12 GB (the ext3 I guess)
[01:49] <knghtbrd> and the other?
[01:49] <jdub> firstknight: what kind of laptop do you have?
[01:50] <Mikey> and one was set up defaultly to 512 MB I guess
[01:50] <knghtbrd> that should be swap then.
[01:50] <Mikey> yes
[01:50] <Mikey> swap is 512
[01:51] <Mikey> and the fat32 is 100 GB, that one i use for windows
[01:51] <knghtbrd> It sounds like what you need to do is edit your /etc/fstab on the Ext3 volume and remove the line that mounts your windows partition as /home
[01:51] <knghtbrd> 12GB isn't a whole lot of work room, but it'll suffice for tinkering
[01:52] <knghtbrd> http://www.sourcefubar.net:8888/103
[01:52] <firstknight> jdub, compaq presario 2500
[01:52] <knghtbrd> that may not make a whole lot of sense to you up front.
[01:53] <linuxboy> what packages do i need to get DRI in Ubuntu?
[01:53] <linuxboy> what packages do i need to get DRI in Ubuntu? (for my voodoo3)
[01:53] <Mikey> knghtbrd: can you describe how to do it please? :)
[01:54] <mjr> linuxboy, nice of you to mention the voodoo3, you'd probably have to install drivers manually from dri.sourceforge.net
[01:54] <firstknight> ubuntu load internet superserver as default??? I thought ubuntu specialized as desktop.....
[01:54] <knghtbrd> linuxboy: you need X plus libglide (h3 variant, if there are still variants)
[01:54] <daniels> knghtbrd: there's libglide2 and libglide3
[01:54] <knghtbrd> daniels: so they did away with the variants?
[01:55] <linuxboy> knghtbrd: theres no libglide package
[01:55] <mjr> linuxboy, basically voodoo driver development has been rather slow of late, to the tune of " The driver lacks a current maintainer." and " The driver needs significant work."
[01:55] <daniels> knghtbrd: hm?
[01:55] <knghtbrd> linuxboy: see daniels' reply
[01:55] <mjr> http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/3dfx?action=highlight&value=CategoryHardwareVendor for more info
[01:55] <linuxboy> knghtbrd: what source must i use? at the moment im using universe
[01:55] <knghtbrd> daniels: back when I maintained that mess, there were variants denoted by two alphanum characters.  Quite annoying.
[01:55] <MobyTurbo> firstknight, the default configuration of inetd doesn't have anything listening.
[01:56] <daniels> knghtbrd: oh dear.
[01:56] <knghtbrd> linuxboy: install both libglide2 and libglide3.  I think you need 3 for X.
[01:56] <knghtbrd> can't hurt to install both though
[01:57] <knghtbrd> daniels: yeah, it was a nightmare, and the code was worse.  When I got 3dfx to open source it, several people said that they should thank, then shoot me.  It's just awful code.  ;)
[01:57] <Mikey> knghtbrd: please?
[01:57] <knghtbrd> Mikey: sorry, got distracted
[01:58] <mjr> well
[01:58] <knghtbrd> Mikey: if you boot the Ubuntu live CD, it should mount your ext3 drive on your desktop.  It will be the one that doesn't look like your windows drive.  ;)  Edit the file /etc/fstab in it and find the line that talks about /home.  Put a # at the start of that line.
[01:59] <knghtbrd> use whatever editor you can find on the livecd, there's probably one there if you just double-click the file
[01:59] <Durakus> how do i go back into the basic set up so i can add a resolution that i want?
[01:59] <mjr> awful source was better than what we get from mainstream manufacturers today
[01:59] <linuxboy> knghtbrd: apt-cache search doent find them
[02:00] <cavediver> Is it safe to run Hoary ?
[02:00] <darksatanic> cavediver: On the basis of a day's testing, yes. :)
[02:00] <linuxboy> knghtbrd: apt-cache search doent find libglide2 or libglide3
[02:00] <Durakus> anyone?
[02:00] <njs12345> cavediver: depends what you mean by "safe" :P
[02:00] <knghtbrd> linuxboy: apt-get install libglide2 libglide3
[02:00] <daniels> they're probably in universe
[02:00] <cavediver> Is it like sid?
[02:00] <njs12345> if you can deal with things occasionally getting broken then yes
[02:00] <knghtbrd> linuxboy: they're in main
[02:00] <njs12345> if you're new to linux then probably nto
[02:00] <njs12345> *not
[02:01] <jdub> cavediver: ubuntu is a branch of sid. hoary only just froze daily syncs from sid.
[02:01] <Mikey> knghtbrd: cool thanks, but - will the live cd understand that I have installed linux? :)
[02:01] <cavediver> jdub: Ohh i see.
[02:01] <justdust> hello everone
[02:01] <jdub> cavediver: however, it does include the gnome devel branch, rather than the gnome stable release.
[02:01] <knghtbrd> Mikey: it doesn't matter.  It will understand you have formatted drives and mount them.
[02:01] <Durakus> I forgot to add 1600x1200 on my resolutions how do i go back to the basic set up so i can add it to the list?
[02:02] <linuxboy> knghtbrd: k, thanx
[02:02] <daniels> Durakus: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, delete the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines, and add 1600x1200 to the list of modes in the DefaultDepth 24 section
[02:02] <knghtbrd> linuxboy: I'm pretty sure you want libglide3 only
[02:02] <Durakus> ty
[02:02] <knghtbrd> but my luck you'd actually want libglide2 and my memory (5 years old) is obsolete.
[02:02] <pmfp> how do you get the computer to reread /etc/hosts?
[02:03] <Mikey> knghtbrd: thanks :) im gonna try
[02:03] <knghtbrd> pmfp: restart nscd?  ;)
[02:03] <nirz> hello
[02:03] <pmfp> knghtbrd: dig/firefox/etc still overrides with the nameserver
[02:04] <knghtbrd> pmfp: after you restart nscd?
[02:04] <pmfp> knghtbrd: what is nscd?
[02:05] <nirz> how i can install adsl
[02:05] <nirz> is there adsl-setup script ?
[02:05] <knghtbrd> pmfp: that's a good question, I can't seem to find it on jeremie
[02:05] <pmfp> knghtbrd: :)
[02:07] <knghtbrd> ahwell, nscd was always a PITA.
[02:07] <knghtbrd> although, if that's not the problem, I've got nothing.  =/
[02:07] <pmfp> righty
[02:07] <pmfp> anyway, I should bridge the nets
[02:07] <pmfp> better get to it right away
[02:08] <nirz> is there adsl-setup script or any way i can adsl conf ?
[02:09] <firstknight> hi, we can upgrade kernel by synaptic right? and that would need no modification right?
[02:17] <aethera> anyone here play ET?
[02:18] <knghtbrd> OHNO!
[02:18] <knghtbrd> Ubuntu has critical flaw
[02:18] <knghtbrd> E: Couldn't find package frozen-bubble
[02:19] <aethera> lol!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[02:19] <MobyTurbo> knghtbrd, it's probably in universe
[02:20] <MobyTurbo> knghtbrd, yep, its in universe
[02:20] <justdust> aethera, I do
[02:20] <knghtbrd> oh
[02:20] <knghtbrd> okay, explain this universe and whatnot?
[02:21] <jdub> universe is the rest of debian, unsupported
[02:21] <jdub> multiverse is debian contrib/non-free and other stuff, unsupported
[02:21] <ajmitch> curses, warty installation failed
[02:21] <ajmitch> bad bios or hard drive :)
[02:21] <elisiano> multiverse?
[02:21] <knghtbrd> okay
[02:21] <knghtbrd> so universe I want
[02:21] <knghtbrd> multiverse I don't
[02:22] <elisiano> I didn't know that something other than universe existed
[02:22] <jdub> there's also restricted
[02:22] <jdub> which is non-free drivers that we (roughly) support
[02:23] <elisiano> do I just have to add 'multiverse' to the deb line?
[02:23] <DaNewB> Anyone uses Wine? Any simple tricks to make it run faster?
[02:23] <daniels> support to the extent that we can, which is 'do our best to make sure they work'
[02:23] <Lethorion> hi, how do I get device icons on the gnome desktop? :)
[02:24] <jono> hi all
[02:24] <daniels> yo jono
[02:24] <jono> which package is /etc/network/interfaces in?
[02:24] <jono> hi daniels
[02:24] <knghtbrd> jdub: so the candidacy of anything for restricted is basically "look, you don't really have a choice if you have this hardware and wanna be able to use it", then?
[02:24] <elisiano> dpkg -S /etc/network/iinterfaces
[02:25] <elisiano> *interfaces
[02:25] <jdub> knghtbrd: pretty much
[02:25] <knghtbrd> Reasonable.
[02:25] <elisiano> jdub, is multiverse working for hoary too?
[02:26] <jdub> knghtbrd: ultimately we want to encourage FOSS drivers, but it's important for people to be able to use their systems. we won't get FOSS drivers until we get critical mass. plus, we make it very clear by putting it all in a separate component.
[02:26] <daniels> jono: ifupdown, I believe
[02:26] <jono> dpkg: /etc/network/interfaces not found.
[02:26] <jdub> elisiano: yep
[02:26] <daniels> jono: (it's generated in postinst)
[02:26] <elisiano> tnx, now I try
[02:26] <knghtbrd> yeah, that's fine
[02:26] <jono> whenever I restart /etc/init.d/networking it fails in hoary
[02:26] <knghtbrd> it's exactly the right thing to do, really
[02:27] <jono> there seems to be major problems with wireless related things in hoary - the network applet does not seem to work
[02:28] <jono> I am just trying to figure out what is wrong
[02:28] <jdub> what's your wifi driver?
[02:28] <jono> jdub, I am using a centrino chip
[02:29] <jdub> ah, see that should work nicely
[02:29] <knghtbrd> before I go play games, I guess I gotta make sound work, maybe?  heh
[02:29] <jono> yeah, worked fine with warty, but the fact that I always get a fail when trying to restart /etc/init.d/networking concerns me
[02:29] <jdub> output?
[02:30] <jono> nothing, it just says [fail] 
[02:30] <leduc> hello
[02:30] <NetwrkMonkey> is there an option to have gnome-terminal ask which profile to use on startup?
[02:30] <leduc> i have some problem with ubuntu installation
[02:30] <jdub> NetwrkMonkey: nup
[02:31] <leduc> ATAPI CD-ROM not detected in system with SATA
[02:31] <jdub> jono: someone on lugradio has no idea what marketing means
[02:31] <NetwrkMonkey> sigh
[02:31] <jono> jdub, which person?
[02:31] <NetwrkMonkey> i just made a auto ssh login profile heh
[02:32] <jono> jdub, what is he saying?
[02:32] <jdub> having a bit of trouble tracking who's who
[02:32] <jdub> but it seems like matt is right, and everyone else is wrong
[02:32] <jono> heh
[02:32] <daniels> matt's on lugradio?
[02:32] <jdub> different matt
[02:32] <jdub> mark was on lugradio
[02:32] <jdub> the post-discussion is a train wreck ;)
[02:33] <jono> a train wreck ?
[02:33] <daniels> oh, right
[02:33] <daniels> any dumped audio stream?
[02:33] <jdub> all over the place
[02:33] <jdub> daniels: oh, i think i have a preview
[02:33] <daniels> jdub: preview?
[02:33] <jono> jdub, as in, we are rambling, or as in we cover lots of different things?
[02:34] <jdub> jono: both
[02:34] <jono> oh, I see
[02:35] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> haw can i make a distro update using apt-get .. i cant remember the exect command
[02:35] <jdub> ZzeCoOl|zleeping: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:35] <jono> jdub, feel free to /msg daniels with the preview urls
[02:35] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> i think it is something like distro
[02:36] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> dist-upgrade or something
[02:36] <lukasz> can some one plz help me
[02:36] <jdub> jono: i think you might have to ;)
[02:36] <jdub> ZzeCoOl|zleeping: just upgrade
[02:36] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> ok
[02:36] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> thanx
[02:36] <jono> jdub, ok, you lst them?
[02:36] <jdub> ZzeCoOl|zleeping: you only use dist-upgrade in particular circumstances
[02:36] <jono> lost
[02:36] <jdub> i closed the window
[02:36] <lukasz> can some one plz help me
[02:36] <jono> no probs
[02:36] <jdub> lukasz: ask your question
[02:37] <lukasz> i want to make my own website but i dont know where (for free)
[02:38] <DaNewB> lukasz, this has nothing to do with Ubuntu
[02:38] <justdust|afk> aethera, I'm here now...
[02:38] <lukasz> so what
[02:38] <DaNewB> lukasz, but you could try www.geocites.com
[02:39] <NetwrkMonkey> sigh, nothing like waking up and finding out the weekly backup failed
[02:39] <DaNewB> lukasz, sorry typo www.geocities.com
[02:39] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> the hell with hoary ...every time im trying to update there are so many debs and errors in the install proccess......DAMN
[02:39] <NetwrkMonkey> oh look, my 19 gb backup partition is full ugh...
[02:39] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> im so unlucky
[02:40] <lukasz> jdub can you help me
[02:40] <jdub> lukasz: your question is a bit off-topic here
[02:40] <lukasz> jdub sry
[02:40] <elisiano> ZzeCoOl|zleeping, you have to install some packages by hand with dpkg --force-overwrite -i packet.deb since they try to overwrite files contained in other packages, and then apt-get upgrade again
[02:41] <ZzeCoOl|zleeping> elisiano  you mean like the problem with gimp?
[02:41] <leduc> no explancation for my problem ?
[02:41] <jdub> elisiano: no, that's the wrong way to go about it
[02:42] <jdub> just use upgrade, not dist-upgrade
[02:42] <elisiano> I don't know, read the error, and if it complains about file overwriting then the answer is yes
[02:42] <justdust> aethera, you still there ?
[02:42] <elisiano> jdub, I know, but it's the way I solved my problems
[02:42] <elisiano> :)
[02:43] <ZzeCoOl> apt-get stuck and i have to upgrade again using "-f"
[02:43] <ZzeCoOl> omg
[02:43] <ZzeCoOl> apt-get suposed that solve the debs problem ...
[02:43] <elisiano> do it, there's nothing bad about it
[02:43] <ZzeCoOl> though
[02:43] <elisiano> :)
[02:44] <ZzeCoOl> wow there it is i have just select Xorg instead of Xfree
[02:45] <ZzeCoOl> im sure that after reboot i ll not be able to login
[02:45] <ZzeCoOl> hehe
[02:45] <elisiano> lol
[02:45] <ZzeCoOl> this happen the last time
[02:45] <ZzeCoOl> and then the F....T word
[02:46] <ZzeCoOl> Fo...T
[02:46] <elisiano> F....T? sorry I'm not english, my dictionary is poor :)
[02:46] <ZzeCoOl> ohhh well Format
[02:46] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:46] <elisiano> ou :)
[02:46] <ZzeCoOl> haha
[02:48] <blk> hi - im having some trouble installing ubuntu on a dell latitiude cp-m233. it seems to stem from problems with DMA, specifically with the cd drive. When I install the base system without attempting to turn of dma for the cd drive (with hdparm -d0), I get "hdc: DMA interrupt recovery" and "hdc: lost interrupt" errors on rebooting. If I attempt to diable DMA, I encounter an error when performing Detect and Mount CD-rom, and then "Deboots
[02:48] <blk> trap error - Failed getting release file /cdrom/dists//Release" when I try to install the base system. Sorry for the long post. Im hoping someone may have some useful tips? thanks!
[02:49] <knghtbrd> hmm, mental note: wireless keyboards are a bit flaky for this game  ;)
[02:49] <PotajiTo> wenas
[03:00] <scoon> anyone here using gcc-3.4.3 w/ hoary
[03:02] <Kosai> Hi, all.  Is it harmful to remove ubuntu-desktop?  Evolution seems to conflict with it.
[03:04] <DaNewB> Kosai, im a n00bie, but I would say it is..?
[03:04] <Kosai> Would rather hear from someone who knows for sure.  :)  It looks innocuous, from dpkg --contents.
[03:06] <Mikey> knrghtbrd: im back
[03:06] <knghtbrd> any luck?
[03:06] <knghtbrd> (I will be going to bed soon)
[03:06] <knghtbrd> (provided I don't become totally engrossed in zeroconf)
[03:06] <Mikey> i have discovered something :P
[03:06] <Mikey> i have edited /etc/fstab
[03:07] <Mikey> ext3 was set up to /
[03:07] <Mikey> fat32 was set up to /home
[03:07] <Mikey> and the third one wasn't NONE
[03:07] <Mikey> *was
[03:08] <Mikey> so I put # at the start of the fat32 line as you told me
[03:08] <Mikey> and set ext3 as /home
[03:08] <Mikey> and the third one as /
[03:08] <Mikey> but it still doesnt work
[03:08] <Mikey> while starting, it gave me this message
[03:09] <bob2> Kosai: it's ok to remove
[03:09] <Mikey> unrecogised mount option "sw" or missing value mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[03:09] <bob2> it just means you may miss out on useful new packages when you upgrade to warty
[03:09] <bob2> but evolution most certainly does not conflict with it
[03:09] <knghtbrd> Mikey: no no no
[03:09] <knghtbrd> you want ext3 as /
[03:09] <knghtbrd> the other 512 meg one should be swap
[03:09] <Mikey> oh?
[03:10] <Mikey> and then what will be "home"?
[03:10] <bob2> home can't usefully be fat32
[03:10] <knghtbrd> Mikey: home will live on the same filesystem as /
[03:10] <sxd> does anyone know why kde looks really rough on ubuntu. i just changed over from mdk which was really smooth looking, especially on the fonts
[03:10] <knghtbrd> Mikey: it's how you set the system up
[03:10] <Mikey> oh
[03:11] <Mikey> so i just set the ext3 to "/" and swap to swap, rite?
[03:11] <knghtbrd> that is correct
[03:11] <Mikey> cool
[03:11] <Mikey> I hope it will work :)
[03:11] <Dark_element> Mikey, what are you installing?
[03:11] <Dark_element> I'm at the same thing as you
[03:11] <Dark_element> Fedora
[03:11] <justdust> how commes I don't get a root password ?
[03:11] <knghtbrd> Dark_element: he mounted a win32 volume as /home
[03:11] <Dark_element> k
[03:12] <Dark_element> A friend send me to here
[03:12] <knghtbrd> Dark_element: he didn't realize that wasn't gonna work  ;)
[03:12] <sladen> justdust: use sudo, eg.   sudo apt-get install foobar
[03:12] <Dark_element> He said you guys send linux cd's for free?
[03:12] <sladen> justdust: for anything that you would type as root
[03:12] <Mikey> knghtbrd: is there a way how to disable synchronising clock with the webpage? it tooks a lot of time while starting up
[03:12] <Dark_element> is that corrct?
[03:12] <sladen> Dark_element: shipit.ubuntulinux.org
[03:12] <knghtbrd> Mikey: um, huh?
[03:12] <Dark_element> thank you
[03:12] <Mikey> Dark_element: true, I got 10 :)
[03:12] <Mikey> for friends as well
[03:13] <Dark_element> free of shipping too?
[03:13] <Mikey> knghtbrd: while loading, there is this line "Synchronising clock with ***.ubuntulinux.com"
[03:13] <justdust> sladen, it asks for a password...
[03:13] <knghtbrd> Mikey: Mikey the other thing you're gonna have to do is create a new home directory.  Someone here can tell you how to do that, I have to get some sleep soon
[03:13] <sladen> sxd: Ubuntu is concentrating most of its efforts on making the best GNOME desktop possible
[03:13] <Dark_element> I live in belgium :s
[03:13] <sladen> justdust: enter your password then :)
[03:13] <DaNewB> Dark_element, yet I would suggest burning a CD yourself to get it faster
[03:13] <knghtbrd> oh, yes, that's ntp
[03:14] <knghtbrd> you can disable that, but one thing at a time
[03:14] <Mikey> Dark_element: they send it from Belgium
[03:14] <knghtbrd> you need to be able to login first!
[03:14] <sxd> well i think gnome looks crap on ubuntu compared to fedora anyways
[03:14] <Dark_element> I did, but I utried it on 7 cd's, and they didn't work :p
[03:14] <Mikey> knghtbrd: thanks :)
[03:14] <sladen> Mikey: ntp.ubuntulinux.org  Network Time Protocol
[03:14] <bob2> Dark_element: yes, free shipping as well
[03:14] <Dark_element> cool
[03:14] <Mikey> sladen: oh yea
[03:14] <Mikey> sladen: but
[03:15] <Mikey> sladen: I want to disable it :P
[03:15] <esher> i will boot ubuntu from my firewire drive
[03:15] <Mikey> it takes a lot of time, but it doesn't succeed
[03:15] <sladen> Mikey: and have your clock wrong.  Okay.  sudo update-rc.d -f ntp remove
[03:15] <esher> any1 can help me how i can fix the initrd image with load correkt modules ?
[03:15] <justdust> watch ubuntu fly off my hd...
[03:15] <knghtbrd> sladen: he doesn't have a /home yet
[03:15] <Dark_element> what the hell? They send 10 cd's?? all FREE?
[03:15] <sladen> justdust: how do you mean
[03:15] <sladen> knghtbrd: who doesn't?
[03:16] <Dark_element> I'm gonna get all my friends to use Linux
[03:16] <knghtbrd> Dark_element: you're supposed to give them out
[03:16] <knghtbrd> sladen: Mikey
[03:16] <Dark_element> I am :)
[03:16] <Dark_element>  15:16:08  <Dark_element> I'm gonna get all my friends to use Linux
[03:16] <knghtbrd> sladen: he had a win32 volume as /home
[03:16] <knghtbrd> he has to rebuild it first
[03:16] <sladen> Mikey: ahhhh.  The installer really needs to tell people that is a bad idea
[03:16] <sladen> Mikey: reboot.  select '(recovery mode)' from the menu.  you'll get a prompt
[03:17] <sladen> Mikey: edit  /etc/fstab  and comment out the line about /home
[03:17] <knghtbrd> that means logging in without a ~, sudoing so that you can create it, populating it with /etc/skel, logging out, logging back in to make sure it worked, and then hoping for the best
[03:17] <sladen> Mikey: do   adduser   and create yourself a new user
[03:17] <bob2> Dark_element: you can order some extra for you to give away, too
[03:17] <knghtbrd> sladen: he did that already
[03:17] <Dark_element> 10 will be enough, i think
[03:18] <Dark_element> What will be on the cd's?
[03:18] <sladen> Mikey/knghtbrd: I can try and help if one of you actually tell me what the problem is  :-)
[03:18] <Mikey> sladen: :) yeah
[03:18] <sladen> Dark_element: packets containing 1 LiveCd and 1 install CD
[03:18] <knghtbrd> sladen: he made win32 partition /home.  He's now fixed that, but now he has an empty /home
[03:18] <Mikey> sladen: i am already in a half way to set up the partitions correctly
[03:18] <Dark_element> What linux system will be on it?
[03:18] <sladen> Dark_element: Ubuntu (!)
[03:19] <Dark_element> logic :)
[03:19] <Dark_element> lol
[03:19] <Arsenal> ubuntu lol
[03:19] <jhiver> hi guys! Is there a known bug with CD burning in ubuntu? I tried to slap a blank cd in, drop some files in the cd/burn windowy thing but I get an error message before it starts...
[03:19] <knghtbrd> Ubuntu is like Debian, only it's not 3 years out of date  ;)
[03:19] <sladen> jhiver: I don't think there is a known bug.  What error message do you get
[03:19] <jhiver> hang on a sec...
[03:20] <da_bon_bon> whats the best frontend to mplayer ?
[03:20] <Mikey> sladen,knghtbrd: thanks guys, i think im gonna try it now
[03:20] <re-mind> da_bon_bon, console ;)
[03:20] <da_bon_bon> re-mind: gui.
[03:20] <bob2> jhiver: cd-rw?
[03:21] <jhiver> nope, cdr
[03:21] <DaNewB> da_bon_bon, I think mplayer has it's own built-in GUI front-end (gmplayer)
[03:21] <re-mind> da_bon_bon, afaik most frontends are quite buggy..
[03:21] <nonliquet> hi all
[03:22] <da_bon_bon> DaNewB: when i used apt-get install mplayer, i didnt get any gmplayer
[03:22] <jhiver> k I get this:
[03:22] <jhiver> http://pastebin.ca/4314
[03:22] <Mikey> sladen: one more thing i forgot
[03:23] <Dark_element> brb
[03:23] <DaNewB> da_bon_bon, you tried running gmplayer?
[03:23] <re-mind> da_bon_bon, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design4/projects.html <- learn to google
[03:23] <da_bon_bon> DaNewB: yes
[03:23] <da_bon_bon> re-mind: ok.
[03:24] <Mikey> sladen: after setting up the partitions correctly, I need to make a new home directory, ask knghtbrd said
[03:24] <Mikey> sladen: i dont know how to do that
[03:24] <sladen> Mikey:   adduser
[03:24] <Mikey> sladen: but
[03:24] <Skwid_> how come Xine plays my mp3 correctly
[03:25] <Skwid_> and I have no sound on XMMS
[03:25] <jhiver> any ideas what might be going on with my cd recording thingy? I've installed ubuntu and it seems that it's the only thing not working (was working fine with k3b / mandrake)
[03:25] <sladen> Mikey:   deluser mikey && adduser mikey
[03:25] <da_bon_bon> re-mind: it still doesnt have gmplayer!
[03:25] <Skwid_> can anyone help me ? :(-
[03:25] <DaNewB> Skwid_, check XMMS preferences
[03:25] <sladen> Skwid_: is one of them using ESD and the other not?
[03:25] <DaNewB> Skwid_, check which output plugin is selected
[03:25] <re-mind> da_bon_bon, well have you tried those on the page?
[03:26] <Skwid_> DaNewB: on xmms ?
[03:26] <DaNewB> Skwid_, ya
[03:26] <Skwid_> I have eSound 1.2.10
[03:27] <da_bon_bon> re-mind: no,
[03:27] <DaNewB> Skwid_, I have OSS (and it works for me)
[03:27] <Skwid_> DaNewB: how do I know which one xine uses ?
[03:28] <re-mind> da_bon_bon, i cant find any frontend called gmplayer. try the ones on the page :)
[03:28] <da_bon_bon> ok. thanks
[03:28] <Skwid_> OSS completely freezes my XMMS :/
[03:29] <Skwid_> anyone know a good player ?
[03:29] <scoon> Skwid_, player for what ?
[03:29] <Skwid_> media player
[03:29] <DaNewB> Skwid_, gstreamer or Beep Media Player
[03:30] <scoon> Skwid_, all in one or....
[03:30] <scoon> Skwid_, i use xine for dvd's, mplayer for mpegs and beep for music
[03:30] <scoon> Skwid_, so there are many good "media" players.
[03:30] <Skwid_> ok
[03:30] <da_bon_bon> Skwid_: beep-media-player
[03:31] <Skwid_> i'll try that
[03:37] <aethera> :)
[03:42] <Quest-Master> What is the location of the directory of C header files for the kernel?
[03:42] <Quest-Master> Or do I need to apt-get for them?
[03:42] <knghtbrd> the answer is yes, depending
[03:43] <knghtbrd> if you want the kernel headers libc was built against, you use the ones in /usr/include
[03:43] <Quest-Master> Hm
[03:43] <Quest-Master> Ok
[03:43] <Quest-Master> I thought they might be in /usr/src/linux, but that doesn't exist
[03:43] <knghtbrd> if you want the ones your kernel actually uses (for cdrom structures or something), you need to tell the code you're building to look at your kernel source or install the appropriate linux-headers package for your kernel image
[03:44] <Quest-Master> Ok, might the header files be in /usr/include/linux?
[03:47] <Quest-Master> Or do I still need to find them in apt? :\
[03:53] <bob2> Quest-Master: what are you trying to do?
[03:54] <bung_> any of you find tuxracer's borken with your ati card?
[03:54] <bung_> or any card
[03:55] <zenwhen> bung
[03:56] <bung_> yo
[03:56] <zenwhen> It used to work for me with a 9800 Pro
[03:56] <zenwhen> Before I switched to Nvidia.
[03:56] <mjr> tuxracer works fine with 9250 with dri drivers
[03:56] <bung_> I'm using the fglrx ones...
[03:57] <bob2> that could be your problem then
[03:57] <zenwhen> true, it could... but with newer cards the DRI drivers really aren;t a comparable solution for 3d performance
[03:57] <zenwhen> aren't*
[03:58] <bung_> it used to work fine for me in (omg) gentoo
[03:58] <bob2> er, ok
[03:58] <zenwhen> PLus the fglrx drivers are certainly capable of running tuxracer as I have done so before.
[03:58] <mjr> zenwhen, they aren't a solution, period. Damn ati.
[03:58] <pd> i got a 9800 pro and cant get tuxracer to work with it
[03:58] <zenwhen> I won't go so far as to say they are a preferable solution, but they certainly should be used if possible.
[03:59] <pd> graphics are all glitched etc
[03:59] <bung_> yeah, it's weird
[03:59] <bung_> dunno who to blame
[03:59] <zenwhen> Well it does work in Fedora Core 2, with a 9800 Pro and fglrx. That is all I can say on the topic. I am by no means an ATi/Linux expert.
[04:00] <zenwhen> ATi is supposed ot be releasing new drivers based on their windows catalyts soon.
[04:00] <bob2> er, I think you mean "used when neccessary"
[04:00] <zenwhen> Perhaps your solution will come then.
[04:00] <bob2> using binary drivers for no reason is a terrible idea
[04:00] <darksatanic> The rumour mill has it that they're coming out tomorrow.
[04:01] <zenwhen> If you have any need at all for 3d performance, you should use them. I am not philosophically against any piece of software.
[04:01] <bob2> that's nice
[04:01] <bob2> but from a practical perspective they are annoying
[04:01] <scoon> binary == windows drivers ?
[04:01] <bung_> zenwhen, not even spyware? </troll>
[04:01] <zenwhen> They are when you have issues with them, or if you have need for dual head support.
[04:01] <bob2> scoon: no, just binary linux ones
[04:01] <zenwhen> bung_, no I love spyware.
[04:02] <bung_> :)
[04:02] <zenwhen> spyware helps show users why their OS sucks
[04:02] <scoon> bob2, what is bad about binary linux drivers
[04:02] <bob2> ?
[04:02] <bob2> they can be bad because no one but ati can debug them or fix them
[04:03] <scoon> bob2, ah.  that is ati.
[04:03] <bob2> and because using them encourages companies to think it's ok to justr release binary drivers
[04:03] <zenwhen> Nvidia's binary drivers are fine for me because Nvidia is so quick to respond to bug reports.
[04:03] <bob2> scoon: it's the same with any binary driver
[04:03] <scoon> bob2, well that is one problem with linux users and open sourcers in general.
[04:03] <bob2> scoon: er? how?
[04:03] <scoon> bob2, they can be pretty pushy about having the source.
[04:03] <mjr> _and_ because they only support the linux versions and architectures that the manufacturer is willing to support
[04:03] <bung_> zenwhen, how do you know your ATI drivers don't contain spyware?
[04:03] <bob2> scoon: um
[04:03] <zenwhen> bob2, don;t you think the point is moot at this point. Both companies have made it very clear that open source drivers are never going to happen.
[04:03] <bob2> scoon: I don't think that's the issue at all
[04:03] <bob2> zenwhen: no they have not
[04:04] <scoon> bob2, seems to be a bit.
[04:04] <zenwhen> Where are the drivers then bob2?
[04:04] <bob2> nvidia has been clear about claiming over and over that they "can't"
[04:04] <bob2> zenwhen: lordy, troll harder
[04:04] <zenwhen> Can you point me to the tar?
[04:04] <sladen> zenwhen: I don't think either company has said that
[04:04] <genghis> anybody read the topic about this?
[04:04] <zenwhen> If it were going to happen, it would have.
[04:04] <bob2> zenwhen: is that what I said?  I was disagreeing with your unsupported claim "Both companies have made it very clear that open source drivers are never going to happen"
[04:04] <zenwhen> This isnt Nvidia vs ATi
[04:04] <bung_> genghis, this ain't a 'vs' argument :)
[04:05] <bob2> zenwhen: I think you're arguing from a position of ignorance
[04:05] <genghis> bung_:  the intention is pretty clear
[04:05] <sladen> zenwhen: it'll happen when it becomes so commerically (financially) advantagous, they don't have a choice
[04:05] <zenwhen> bob2: I think you are incapable of discussion without af hominem attacks.
[04:05] <zenwhen> ad*
[04:05] <bob2> zenwhen: and Ithink you're the lamest troll I've spoken to tonight
[04:05] <brk3> does anyone know how to get midi files to play in ubuntu? ive tried installing timidity but it says no configuration available or something like that
[04:05] <zenwhen> Why am I a troll?
[04:05] <jcs> It's at times like this that I'm embarassed to use IRC.
[04:06] <zenwhen> Becase I don't agree with you?
[04:06] <bob2> zenwhen: it's not an ad hominem attack to claim someone doesn't know what they're talking about
[04:06] <brk3> does anyone know how to get midi files to play in ubuntu? ive tried installing timidity but it says no configuration available or something like that
[04:06] <sladen> zenwhen: the reason they started supporting Linux in the first place was because the hollyworld studios started using Linux for all their digitial effects studios
[04:06] <zenwhen> Wow
[04:06] <zenwhen> You guys are fucking incensed
[04:06] <zenwhen> Please
[04:06] <bob2> zenwhen: you have spoken to ati and/or nvidia employess who have told you personally that Free drivers will never happen?
[04:06] <zenwhen> I didnt want some big flamewar.
[04:06] <sladen> zenwhen: that language is not appropriate here.  Please read the code-of-conduct
[04:06] <zenwhen> I'm not arguing with two people.
[04:06] <bob2> if not, please don't make claims like that
[04:07] <DaNewB> answer brk3 instead!
[04:07] <zenwhen> bob2: I simply stated an opinion.
[04:07] <sladen> zenwhen: now, whilst we're here, can we help you install ubuntu?
[04:07] <bob2> zenwhen: ok then
[04:08] <zenwhen> sladen, I have been running ubuntu since it was released and I doubt you have much info to offer me that I do not already have a firm grasp of.
[04:08] <sladen> brk3: not sure actually.  Does timidity depend on an sample collection?
[04:08] <keyshawn> howdy
[04:08] <scoon> genghis, no segfault here.  try and strace it and see if anything else shows up
[04:09] <brk3> sladen: im not really sure, just on mandrake, installing timidity was all i had to do to get it working. so when thats not working now, im sure what to do
[04:09] <genghis> scoon:  most of them are info-less
[04:09] <DaNewB> Is it a known bug that Firefox 0.9.3 (Warty) cant display distrowatch.com properly?
[04:09] <scoon> genghis, hmmm that sux.  that would be the first thing i'd do
[04:09] <sladen> brk3: what's the error message you get?
[04:09] <keyshawn> danewb, i'm not sure, but it probably doesn't matter as 0.9.3 is not the latest release.
[04:09] <jcs> DaNewB: looks okay to me.
[04:10] <bung_> DaNewB: perhaps, but whose bug would it be? :)
[04:10] <scoon> genghis, i run hoary as well and when stuff like that breaks, i rely on their CLI counter parts.
[04:10] <scoon> genghis, ie: lynx
[04:10] <keyshawn> [btw, i need to upgrade to 1.0.0, though i can't find any repositories that has it] 
[04:10] <DaNewB> jcs, the numbers (rankings) show properly?
[04:10] <sladen> genghis: Hoary is the development version, it's going to break, but you can help get it fixed by filing a bug report on  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[04:10] <Freduardo> DaNewB, I just got 1.0 from the Hoary reps
[04:10] <genghis> have done so.
[04:11] <bob2> keyshawn: 'need to'?
[04:11] <scoon> genghis, why not get the installer and install it in your home dir and see if that version segs
[04:11] <scoon> genghis, if it does nont, you would then have a usable ff until yours gets fixed
[04:11] <genghis> yeah, that gets rid of the new ones (eg metafilter)
[04:12] <brk3> sladen: well, the reason im trying to get them working is that i just installed doom and it works great :) except the music. it gives this: open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory
[04:12] <genghis> but it still drops dead with no information at wonkette.com
[04:12] <bung_> hence strace?
[04:12] <brk3> sladen: and when i try to play a midi file i get this: /etc/timidity.cfg: No such file or directory
[04:12] <brk3> timidity: Can't read any configuration file.
[04:12] <brk3> Please check /etc/timidity.cfg
[04:13] <sladen> brk3:  dpkg -L timidity | grep cfg
[04:13] <jcs> DaNewB: yes they do.  This is with epiphany (still gecko), also it's built against CVS mozilla.
[04:13] <brk3> sladen: /usr/share/man/man5/timidity.cfg.5.gz
[04:13] <keyshawn> bob2 - http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/07/158218&tid=154&tid=128&tid=172
[04:13] <sladen> brk3: only that?
[04:13] <sladen> brk3:  dpkg -L timidity | grep etc
[04:13] <DaNewB> jcs, nvm, ill upgrade Firefox as im sure it's already fixed
[04:13] <brk3> sladen: ya
[04:14] <scoon> genghis, what do you mean by drops ?
[04:14] <keyshawn> there's some bugs in it. i'd prefer to use the newest one.
[04:14] <brk3> sladen: /etc
[04:14] <brk3> /etc/default
[04:14] <brk3> /etc/default/timidity
[04:14] <brk3> /etc/init.d
[04:14] <brk3> /etc/init.d/timidity
[04:14] <bung_> might cfg files not be greated by the installer, and not be contained in the package?
[04:14] <bung_> or is that not the way it works?
[04:14] <jcs> DaNewB: actually, now I notice that they only display properly if the browser window has a great enough width.
[04:14] <keyshawn> [there still are bugs in 1.0, though the vulnerabilities mentioned in the article aren't there] 
[04:14] <bob2> keyshawn: they will be fixed in 0.9.3 in warty
[04:14] <bung_> s/great/creat/
[04:15] <NewLinuxUser> Hi all - new to linux and got some questions
[04:15] <sladen> brk3: ls -l /etc/timidity.cfg /etc/timidity/
[04:15] <DaNewB> brk3, did u check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[04:15] <brk3> sladen: those files dont exist
[04:15] <DaNewB> jcs, exactly!
[04:15] <brk3> lsls: /etc/timidity.cfg: No such file or directory
[04:15] <brk3> lsls: /etc/timidity/: No such file or directory
[04:16] <brk3> DaNewB: no actually, i will now
[04:16] <DaNewB> jcs, seems like a bug?
[04:16] <brk3> DaNewB: thanks
[04:16] <genghis> scoon: i mean the browser just disappears with no errors, and trying launching it from the CLI results in the message "Segmentation fault", on its own, with no other info
[04:16] <DaNewB> brk3, np
[04:16] <bung_> genghis, strace should help
[04:16] <sladen> brk3: okay, as a kludge, try   sudo ln -s /etc/default/timidity /etc/timidity.cfg
[04:16] <scoon> genghis, ah.  that is odd. and since you said strace is worthless then something is not cool
[04:16] <Li\Sou> Hi, anyone in here know how to get red of the black line beneath every Psi desklet in gdesklets?
[04:17] <keyshawn> hi newlinuxuser.
[04:17] <sladen> scoon: who said strace is worthless
[04:17] <sladen> NewLinuxUser: just ask them!
[04:17] <DaNewB> NewLinuxUser, just ask them
[04:17] <bung_> heh
[04:17] <brk3> sladen: /etc/timidity.cfg: line 14: syntax error
[04:17] <brk3> timidity: Can't read any configuration file.
[04:17] <brk3> Please check /etc/timidity.cfg
[04:17] <DaNewB> sladen, hehe
[04:17] <sladen> DaNewB: :)
[04:17] <|D|> Li\Sou did u try the options/settings of the desklets
[04:17] <scoon> sladen, i already asked genghis if strace was tried and genghis said that it was no help
[04:17] <Li\Sou> yeah, no go
[04:17] <genghis> scoon:  strace output was
[04:17] <genghis> --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
[04:18] <Li\Sou> it wasnt there |D|
[04:18] <bung_> strace -f
[04:18] <jcs> DaNewB: I don't know, let the distrowatch webmasters decide.
[04:18] <bung_> presumably?
[04:18] <sladen> genghis: strace will have saved the output in a file in the current directory
[04:18] <brk3> sladen: ok, that doesnt work, but im reading the guide now so gimmie a few mins and il see if it helps
[04:18] <genghis> and...
[04:18] <Li\Sou> do you know where gdesklets has their #channel, maybe i can ask them
[04:18] <zenwhen> sladen, pm
[04:19] <keyshawn> li\sou, it should say on their website
[04:19] <genghis> sladen:  so I have a trace file.  and?
[04:19] <Li\Sou> ok, ill see again, but i couldnt find it the last time i was there..
[04:20] <|D|> Li\Sou :     We have an IRC channel #gdesklets on GIMPnet (irc.gnome.org) where you can meet other fans and developers. See you there.
[04:20] <Li\Sou> ill do a search on google, see what i can get up with:)
[04:20] <keyshawn>  We have an IRC channel #gdesklets on GIMPnet (irc.gnome.org
[04:20] <Li\Sou> thnax |D| i'll do that:)
[04:20] <keyshawn> good li\sou
[04:20] <keyshawn> good luck*
[04:20] <Li\Sou> thanx:)
[04:20] <keyshawn> welcome.
[04:22] <brk3> sladen: i think i see the problem. ubuntu doesnt provide a config file in its package. i just made one there and now i need to get a soundfont.(whatever that is :))
[04:23] <sladen> brk3: okay so two bugs.  one is no default config, the other is a missing dependancy on soundfont.  Can you file a Ubuntu on Bugzilla.ubuntu.com once you've figured about a solution
[04:23] <brk3> sladen: ok, thanks for the help
[04:24] <genghis> sladen:  actually strace saves nothing.
[04:24] <genghis> [not that I'm clear what the purpose of the file I don't have is] 
[04:24] <Unaratak> http://www.icefighter.com/index.php?teamNr=92623
[04:27] <brk3> sladen: oh ffs. the soundfonts package is over 20mb. theres no way i can download that on dialup. there must be another way, frankly ubuntu should have this sorted itself
[04:28] <bob2> midi is not a very common requirement anymore
[04:28] <brk3> bob2: is it not..?
[04:29] <bob2> I've never seen someone ask about it in here before
[04:29] <mjr> it really isn't
[04:29] <zenwhen> midi kind of died after modems hit 56k
[04:29] <bob2> not that it shouldn't Just Work, but it's not something that would have been well-tested before warty came out
[04:29] <brk3> bob2: dunno,i still think it should work
[04:30] <bob2> sure
[04:30] <bob2> I'm not saying it shouldn't
[04:30] <bob2> just that no one might have noticed that it didn't
[04:30] <mjr> it should work, but it's questionable to include 20MB of stuff on the single install cd for a use that really most don't need
[04:30] <netmonk> can anyone please point me to a website with info of the current state fo Hoary?
[04:30] <mjr> and it's not like one can't download it on dialup, just need a bit of patience
[04:31] <sladen> netmonk: mailing list archives maybe the best place.  Are you looking for anything specific
[04:31] <brk3> bob2: i think they should take it into account for the next realease. even in small games-some of them use midi now they wont work either
[04:31] <brk3> oh well
[04:31] <brk3> thanks for the help all
[04:31] <sladen> brk3: the sound fonts are the actual sounds---MIDI is just what notes to play
[04:31] <bob2> most sound fonts seem to have questionable license, too
[04:33] <netmonk> sladen, I'm with on warty and was wondering if it's gonna work stable with me, so I wanted to check out what is still in "unstable" status
[04:34] <sladen> netmonk: it's unstable.  Yeah, we're all using. But it's unstable.  Your menus will do funny things.
[04:35] <netmonk> sladen, thanks a lot. I'll have to wait than ;)
[04:36] <FallenHitokiri> is there an easy way to install atidrivers on an Ubuntu-box?
[04:36] <hikaru79> What's the command line to burn an .iso image?
[04:37] <DaNewB> FallenHitokiri, see ubuntulinux.org
[04:37] <|D|> FallenHitokiri: check the wiki
[04:37] <FallenHitokiri> Oo? ... hm... did I miss an entry?... thx
[04:37] <thenuke> FallenHitokiri: yes, very simple. check forums or wiki. in the forums check FAQ -section and some of the sticky threads has it
[04:38] <DaNewB> FallenHitokiri, search for "binary driver" (or somthing)
[04:39] <FallenHitokiri> hm... I think I should check the wikis more often... I just tried the deb on a site about my nx7000
[04:39] <|D|> FallenHitokiri: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:40] <FallenHitokiri> thanks :)
[04:40] <DaNewB> np
[04:40] <ub_willis> hmm
[04:40] <|D|> np
[04:40] <FallenHitokiri> is dual-head working with this driver?
[04:41] <ub_willis> Trying to get my ATI9700Pro working under ubuntu. insalled the ati packages with synaptic. Now i have to do a manual edit on the X config file? it dident seem to  set up the flgrx as the driver.
[04:41] <ub_willis> googling for the exact details now..
[04:41] <bob2> ub_willis: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:41] <DaNewB> ub_willis, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:42] <DaNewB> FallenHitokiri, never tried, but it's supposed to I think
[04:42] <ub_willis> DaNewB,  ok sw that link at the wiki. but it was being refered to by the nvidia  stuff :P
[04:42] <DaNewB> FallenHitokiri, there is a graphical config utility
[04:42] <|D|> FallenHitokiri: i tried it once and it worked with my ati9600
[04:43] <FallenHitokiri> hm... that sounds great... hope to get my 2048pixels :>
[04:45] <nirz> hello
[04:45] <nirz> i'v installed ubuntu but how i can set my Adsl ?
[04:46] <Wulf_> try `pppoeconf'
[04:46] <|D|> FallenHitokiri: i used fireglcontrol to set it up
[04:46] <|D|>  FallenHitokiri: the package is fglrx-control
[04:47] <FallenHitokiri> |D|: i'm installing the package atm.
[04:47] <FallenHitokiri> so... i reboot. cu in 2 min.
[04:47] <ub_willis> well here goes.. :P wish me luck. ive had very bad luck with both ati and nvidia on this machine in the past.
[04:49] <rdwtux> n00b question.. whats the best way to install jre/java on unbuntu? i thought it used to be included in the package feeds.. but can't see it now
[04:50] <Quest-Master> rdwtux: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ ;)
[04:50] <rdwtux> Quest: exactly what I was looking for - thanks
[04:50] <Quest-Master> :D
[04:51] <ub_willis> well A+ for Ubuntu  - ati drivers are working.. :P i do belive this is the FIRST time ive actually had them working on this machine
[04:53] <FallenHitokiri> the drivers are working but now I got an virtual screen that is larger than my lcd. how can I tell my xserver to set the resolutions to 1680x1050
[04:53] <DaNewB> FallenHitokiri, Comuter->System Config->Screen Resolution (if it works)
[04:54] <Jolez> i remember there was an option for that in fglrxconfig ?
[04:54] <FallenHitokiri> xserver doesn't support xrandr
[04:54] <|D|>  FallenHitokiri: if it doesnt edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-1
[04:54] <FallenHitokiri> |D|: the problem is that the config seems to be okay
[04:55] <FallenHitokiri> there are no other resolutions than 1680x1050
[04:56] <DaNewB> FallenHitokiri, did you restart the xerver
[04:56] <FallenHitokiri> DaNewB: yes 2 times
[04:56] <|D|> ctrl + alt + - ??
[04:56] <FallenHitokiri> yes. ctrl alt backspace. and the other time i rebootet
[04:57] <DaNewB> FallenHitokiri, you want the virtual screen? otherwise diable it
[04:57] <FallenHitokiri> DaNewB: how can I disable it?
[04:57] <DaNewB> FallenHitokiri, edit the config file manually or use fglrxconfig
[04:58] <FallenHitokiri> http://rafb.net/paste/results/NOaHW036.html
[04:58] <FallenHitokiri> thats my config
[05:01] <DaNewB> FallenHitokiri, are you sure it can support that resolution?
[05:01] <ZzeCoOl> hey guys i need a repository with the latest w32 codecs ...plx
[05:01] <ZzeCoOl> plz
[05:01] <FallenHitokiri> DaNewB: yes. it is a hp / compaq notebook
[05:01] <|D|> try ctrl+alt+-
[05:02] <mjr> ZzeCoOl, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormat , see marillat
[05:02] <ZzeCoOl> thnax
[05:02] <RU63> HEllo, i am here first time... I need some help with a small problem
[05:02] <mjr> ehh, Formats
[05:02] <RU63> I did an upgrade
[05:02] <FallenHitokiri> |D|: doesn't work
[05:02] <DaNewB> FallenHitokiri, Warty/Hoary?
[05:02] <RU63> I did an upgrade and when i restart I have no menu or time...
[05:03] <RU63> and when i minimize windows i lose them
[05:03] <FallenHitokiri> warty
[05:03] <FallenHitokiri> one moment please. I tried fglrxconfig... have to restart
[05:03] <|D|> are u sure its 1680x1050
[05:03] <|D|> isnt it 1400x1050
[05:04] <DaNewB> |D|, he's gone
[05:04] <|D|> yeah i noticed :p
[05:04] <RU63> can anyone help with my problem?
[05:05] <DaNewB> RU63, an upgrade to Hoary?
[05:05] <RU63> i don't have hoary on my repo list
[05:05] <RU63> all my programs work fine
[05:05] <|D|> RU63: what did u upgrade
[05:06] <RU63> apt-get upgrade
[05:06] <|D|> FallenHitokiri: did it work?
[05:06] <RU63> and it went
[05:06] <FallenHitokiri> hm... i tried using fglrxconfig but my xfreeconfig wasn't modified.
[05:06] <FallenHitokiri> but it works... please don't ask me why...
[05:06] <|D|> lol
[05:07] <DaNewB> FallenHitokiri, cool
[05:07] <|D|> fglrxconfig works in mysterious ways
[05:07] <|D|> bow down to its power
[05:07] <FallenHitokiri> now there is only one thing: do I only have to set: clone mode with the ati-tool to use an second monitor?
[05:07] <FallenHitokiri> hm... 320 frames with gears :>
[05:08] <|D|> only 320?
[05:08] <FallenHitokiri> sounds much better than 110 *G+
[05:08] <FallenHitokiri> |D|: radeon9200mobile
[05:08] <Reikd> re
[05:08] <DaNewB> for each monitor?
[05:09] <|D|> RU63: u dont remember what it upgraded?
[05:09] <FallenHitokiri> DaNewB: no only for my lcd
[05:09] <FallenHitokiri> hm... i hope dualscreen will work now... be right back
[05:09] <RU63> no.. i went away while it was upgrading... took about 8 min
[05:10] <RU63> yes i think i remember
[05:10] <DaNewB> BTW, question to everyone: is there anything like a switch that would allow me to have 2 PCs but only 1 monitor?
[05:10] <jon_k> KVM switch
[05:10] <bob2> DaNewB: it's called a "KVM"
[05:10] <jon_k> will also let you only have 1 keyboard and mouse
[05:10] <RU63> i dunno how to say it.. but it had the i686 < not sure on nubers in it
[05:10] <DaNewB> bob2, cool
[05:10] <bob2> but on unix you can just run everything over the network anyway
[05:10] <|D|> kernel package
[05:11] <DaNewB> jon_k, even cooler!
[05:11] <jon_k> DaNewB, yeah, I have one and love it
[05:11] <DaNewB> bob2, but if I have 1 Windows and 1 Linux box?
[05:11] <jon_k> it will work
[05:11] <bob2> DaNewB: then you might want a KVM
[05:11] <jon_k> DaNewB, i have 1 windows xp and 1 linux box
[05:11] <DaNewB> jon_k, are they cheap(kvm)?
[05:11] <jon_k> DaNewB, connected to my KVM, and i can easily switch
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> or just use vnc on the linux box, and see its 'screen' in a window under windows xp.
[05:12] <jon_k> DaNewB, I got mine for about 27-30 i think
[05:12] <jon_k> DaNewB, under $100 for sure
[05:12] <FallenHitokiri> i found the problem
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> ive heard of a lot of issues with mice and so forth with some KVM box's however.
[05:12] <DaNewB> jon_k, how does it work exactly?
[05:12] <FallenHitokiri> if i run a clone screen the resolution is set to 2048
[05:13] <jon_k> DaNewB, they usually cost around 20-40
[05:13] <jon_k> DaNewB, well the old ones had an actual turn dial
[05:13] <FallenHitokiri> my laptop supports 1680x1050 and my other screen 1024x768
[05:13] <FallenHitokiri> is there a way that both get the resolution they can handle?
[05:13] <jon_k> DaNewB, the new ones usually have a combo you press on the keyboard (USUALLY SCROLL LOCK + SCROLL LOCK + DOWN)
[05:13] <jon_k> will switch between pcs
[05:13] <|D|> FallenHitokiri: i think u have to set up multiple screens in the XF86Config-4 file
[05:14] <|D|> but im not sure
[05:14] <|D|> google it
[05:14] <FallenHitokiri> |D|: hm.. okay... thanks
[05:14] <|D|> np
[05:14] <DaNewB> jon_k, thnks for the info! i'm going to get one for sure!
[05:14] <RU63> If i did put Hoary on .... how do i get back to warty?
[05:15] <jon_k> DaNewB, you'll get addicted, be forewarned!
[05:15] <FallenHitokiri> so... next try...
[05:15] <DaNewB> jon_k, BTW, what does KVM stand for(Keyboard Video Monitor?)?
[05:16] <bob2> right
[05:16] <bob2> er, s/monitor/mouse/
[05:17] <DaNewB> bob2, right! silly me...
[05:17] <DaNewB> LOL
[05:17] <bob2> ?
[05:17] <DaNewB> that was too obvious..:>
[05:17] <t325> hello I'm facing a really strange situation: a radeon card which was used at too high refresh rates (shouldn't it damage the monitor, not the card, normally?) has a corrupted output in windoze(like the too much and long overclocked cards' output..), tested 98 and xp, on two different pcs(and monitors), but perfect output in ubuntu (tested images and openGL screensavers, now compiling mplayer 4 video test).. linux miracle?..
[05:18] <DaNewB> t325, on Linux, it's not a miracle when things work, lol
[05:19] <DaNewB> t325, but seriously, i dont know :|
[05:20] <nirz> is there an Adsl-setup script to conf my adsl ?
[05:21] <linux_mafia> nirz, conf in what way?
[05:21] <bob2> nirz: sudo pppoeconf
[05:21] <bob2> in a terminal
[05:21] <linux_mafia> nirz, is it pppoe?
[05:21] <nirz> yea
[05:22] <DaNewB> linux_mafia, what's the difference?
[05:22] <DaNewB> linux_mafia, pppoa faster than pppoe?
[05:25] <linux_mafia> DaNewB, different methods of encapsulation among other things, i'm not entirely sure why some countries use one over the other, but pppoa seems to require less setting up, well no config or software on the client anyway
[05:27] <DaNewB> linux_mafia, so you dont need to dial-up?
[05:27] <linux_mafia> DaNewB, no, i have dsl
[05:28] <DaNewB> linux_mafia, i know. i mean, with dsl you still have to connect to the ISP
[05:29] <whitehawk> re
[05:30] <whitehawk> one question: is it possible, that ubuntu hoary won't boot from ext3?
[05:30] <aethera> whitehawk: I doubt it
[05:30] <aethera> it should work just fine
[05:31] <NetwrkMonkey> hrm so far i'm liking ubuntu
[05:31] <NetwrkMonkey> anyone know if there's an xsane plugin for gimp?
[05:32] <DaNewB> NetwrkMonkey, well there is xsane, but as a plugin for Gimp?
[05:32] <whitehawk> I get filesystem type unknown
[05:32] <aethera> whitehawk: the kernel does not have ext3 compiled in
[05:33] <whitehawk> aethera but then it can't load the initrd also?
[05:33] <whitehawk> isn't it?
[05:34] <NetwrkMonkey> xsane-gimp
[05:34] <NetwrkMonkey> that's it
[05:35] <DaNewB> NetwrkMonkey, okdoki
[05:36] <NetwrkMonkey> ln -s /usr/bin/xsane .gimp-2.0/plug-ins/
[05:36] <New2U> Hi all - have lots of questions, first installed ubuntu today. Set up two partitions, within the set up, 15gb and 2gb, but after login i cant see the other partition
[05:36] <NetwrkMonkey> fyi
[05:36] <New2U> any help.....
[05:37] <New2U> all i get is the FD, CD and file system
[05:37] <DaNewB> New2U, did you mount it?
[05:38] <New2U> new to this, plse explain, first time with linux
[05:38] <DaNewB> New2U, in a terminal, type "mount"
[05:39] <New2U> ok
[05:39] <DaNewB> New2U, basically, in Linux, all drives and partitions must be mounted before you can access
[05:39] <t325> video output corrupted, at least with xfmedia (mplayer still compiling); maybe in mplayer, with the -vo option I'll be able to get things working..  New2U in the terminal-> gedit /etc/fstab -> copy it here (I think ubuntu adds only the system partition to fstab, as you probably didn't setup the mount point for the other one)
[05:40] <New2U> this is what i get when i type mount but still no drive: /dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[05:40] <New2U> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[05:40] <New2U> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[05:40] <New2U> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[05:40] <New2U> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[05:40] <New2U> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[05:41] <DaNewB> New2U, /dev/hda2 mean "hard drive a 2nd partition"
[05:41] <DaNewB> New2U, so the 1st partition doesnt seem to be mounted
[05:41] <aethera> can someone goto consultrix.co.za
[05:41] <DaNewB> New2U, u'll have to mount it
[05:41] <aethera> and tell me if the see a plone logo on the left top
[05:42] <t325> you have kept windows on another partiton? (if so it should be hda1, then your second linux part. should be hda3)
[05:42] <New2U> just linux on the hard disk
[05:42] <DaNewB> aethera, i see it
[05:43] <aethera> thanks mate
[05:44] <benjanet> any tip to get Nvidia working on Hoary ? i only get a black screen, and segmentation faults
[05:44] <DaNewB> New2U, open file manager
[05:44] <New2U> for t325: # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[05:44] <New2U> #
[05:44] <New2U> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[05:44] <New2U> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[05:44] <New2U> /dev/hda2       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[05:44] <New2U> /dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[05:44] <New2U> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[05:44] <New2U> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[05:44] <aethera> can i ask a stupid ignorant question
[05:44] <aethera> :P
[05:45] <DaNewB> New2U, create an empty folder in /mnt/myfolder
[05:45] <aethera> why do people not read manuals?
[05:45] <DaNewB> New2U, then type in a terminal "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/myfolder"
[05:45] <|D|> aethera: they like a challenge
[05:45] <aethera> |D|: but still ask stupid questions
[05:46] <salimi> hi
[05:46] <|D|> aethera. its the i can do it on my own atitude, manuals i dont nedd no stinking manuals
[05:46] <|D|> :P
[05:46] <DaNewB> salimi, well hello, friend
[05:46] <aethera> ya no
[05:46] <salimi> are there any differences between debian sarge and ubuntu concerning hardware support?
[05:47] <dead|shell> aethera, reading is for wimps i'll wipe out my entire system by mistake b4 i read a 4 line howto page :P
[05:47] <|D|> lol
[05:47] <aethera> dead|shell: yeah
[05:47] <dead|shell> :D
[05:47] <TreadingSoftly> Hello ... I'm having a significant problem running HTML editors on my Warty system. Both Screem and Quanta have a tendency to crash (Screem rather worse actually...). Has anyone had similar problems? Does anyone have any idea how I should debug this?
[05:47] <|D|> dead|shell: lets try this new rm thingy
[05:48] <dead|shell> i think some ppl just don't like to read and just want someone to give them the answer
[05:48] <aethera> rm -rf > /dev/satan ?
[05:48] <|D|> :)
[05:48] <dead|shell> rm -R / *
[05:48] <|D|> i forgot sudo
[05:49] <|D|> *u
[05:49] <aethera> ya no
[05:49] <aethera> I enable root acocunt here :)
[05:49] <DaNewB> New2U, ?
[05:49] <dead|shell> oh yeah and i like ppl who always run as root...to save time you know
[05:50] <HostingGeek> omg
[05:50] <HostingGeek> that was quick
[05:50] <salimi> are there any differences between debian sarge and ubuntu concerning hardware support?
[05:50] <HostingGeek> crimsun: thanks for unbanning me
[05:50] <crimsun> HostingGeek: I don't control the bans.
[05:50] <DaNewB> dead|shell, is that really worse than running Windows?
[05:50] <Alessio> what appz do you use for translate?
[05:50] <t325> no corrupted output with mplayer -vo x11!!
[05:50] <crimsun> HostingGeek: are you using -1ubuntu10?
[05:50] <Alessio> Babytrans? stardict?
[05:50] <HostingGeek> crimsun: then
[05:51] <dead|shell> DaNewB, i don't think anything is that bad
[05:51] <HostingGeek> crimsun: yes
[05:51] <crimsun> salimi: generally speaking, Ubuntu has more transparent ("it just works") support
[05:51] <|D|> DaNewB: nothing is worse then running windows
[05:51] <DaNewB> lol
[05:51] <Alessio> is there anything in ubuntu-repository
[05:51] <Alessio> ?
[05:52] <crimsun> salimi: hardware support, from the end user's perspective, tends to be a combination of kernel and hotplug support
[05:52] <salimi> crimsun: so there are only "free" driver?
[05:52] <salimi> crimsun, not like mepis?
[05:52] <crimsun> salimi: the non-free nvidia and ati graphics drivers are included by default
[05:52] <ogra> Alessio: both are in universe
[05:53] <HostingGeek> crimsun: is there problem with -10
[05:53] <salimi> crimsun, and what about java+flash+wma
[05:53] <salimi> ?
[05:53] <crimsun> HostingGeek: not that I know of, let me check.
[05:53] <crimsun> salimi: java, flash, and wma support are not included by default. Please check /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:54] <crimsun> salimi: that page gives step-by-step for obtaining the libraries and applications needed for java, flash, and wma support
[05:54] <HostingGeek> crimsun: any idea what might be wrong its not xorg.conf and this 54hz is giving me a head ach
[05:54] <salimi> crimsun: i see.. and all pkgs r compiled with i368 flag right?
[05:54] <Alessio> ogra, i'm on warty
[05:55] <ogra> Alessio: ah, sorry....so i'm not sure, but i guess at least stardict should be there
[05:55] <crimsun> salimi: yes, but there's a bit of linker trickery/optimisation
[05:56] <crimsun> HostingGeek: would you please paste onto pastebin.com your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[05:56] <HostingGeek> ok
[05:56] <crimsun> HostingGeek: also, your `lspci -v' line for only the graphics device will be useful
[05:56] <HostingGeek> 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 02)
[05:56] <HostingGeek> 	Subsystem: Asustek Computer, Inc.: Unknown device 80a5
[05:56] <HostingGeek> 	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
[05:56] <HostingGeek> 	Memory at fe800000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4M] 
[05:56] <HostingGeek> 	Capabilities: <available only to root>
[05:57] <salimi> crimsun: i see... thx 4 ur help..
[05:57] <HostingGeek> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA] )
[05:57] <salimi> cu all
[05:57] <Hosting-Geek_> ooop
[05:57] <Hosting-Geek_> sorry
[05:57] <Hosting-Geek_> very sorry
[05:57] <|D|> :)
[05:58] <HostingGeek> how much did i flood?
[05:58] <crimsun> HostingGeek: please look for and paste only the graphics device line from `lspci -v' onto pastebin.com
[06:00] <robhu> Could someone please help me? I updated to hoary - and I also installed some things from another repository (merilat?) - I'm new to Ubuntu but know enough to get by on Linux in general... During the upgrade I b0rked something in X and now the bars at the top and the bottom in X don't load (e.g. where the task bar is, the menu for selecting applications, and the clock). Can someone please help me find out what I've done, what is wrong, or ho
[06:00] <HostingGeek> http://pastebin.com/229557
[06:01] <crimsun> RobHu: when did you dist-upgrade to Hoary?
[06:01] <RobHu> Err
[06:01] <RobHu> Yesterday
[06:01] <RobHu> it was broken from then
[06:01] <crimsun> when yesterday?
[06:01] <RobHu> Not sure...
[06:01] <RobHu> but I ran aptitude today
[06:01] <crimsun> early morning? late evening?
[06:01] <RobHu> and did another dist-upgrade
[06:01] <RobHu> umm...
[06:01] <RobHu> I really can't remember :0|
[06:02] <arturaz> heelo
[06:02] <arturaz> just after installing warty grub spews out error 16: inconsistent fs while booting
[06:02] <HostingGeek> crimsun: this is the command http://pastebin.com/229557
[06:02] <|D|> doesnt aptitude logs the operations?
[06:02] <arturaz> however i wiped out all disc and it should be ok
[06:02] <RobHu> Ah there is an aptitude log...
[06:02] <RobHu> let me look at it
[06:02] <arturaz> also i tried mounting it from knoppix and it worked
[06:03] <HostingGeek> crimsun: the 1mb log file http://pastebin.com/229559
[06:03] <RobHu> ok lots of stuff got installed at 01:34 GMT Jan 13th
[06:03] <crimsun> RobHu: ok. There is a gnomevfs race condition that affects the panels, and it has not been resolved yet. For now, please see https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4794 and look at comment #6
[06:03] <RobHu> ok
[06:03] <RobHu> thankyou :)
[06:03] <crimsun> HostingGeek: ok, will take a look in a few.
[06:04] <HostingGeek> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/229561 is config file
[06:09] <alge> hi, anyone here using a palm pda
[06:09] <HostingGeek> crimsun: quick i can't read slashdot at this pixel range
[06:09] <ZzeCoOl> i have update to hoary but i steel get Xfree when i type X -version
[06:09] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[06:09] <ZzeCoOl> why?
[06:09] <TreadingSoftly> hi, does anyone here run quanta or screem on Ubuntu?
[06:09] <ZzeCoOl> it  mustnt have Xorg instead?
[06:09] <crimsun> ZzeCoOl: you need to make sure xserver-xorg is installed.
[06:10] <crimsun> HostingGeek: sec, I'm looking.
[06:10] <ZzeCoOl> it isnt
[06:10] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[06:10] <ZzeCoOl> thanks
[06:10] <HostingGeek> TreadingSoftly: i run screem here
[06:10] <|D|> HostingGee: ctrl+alt+f2 and use lynx/links
[06:11] <HostingGeek> lol
[06:11] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: install ubuntu-desktop
[06:11] <TreadingSoftly> Hi HostingGeek, does it crash ever? Are you running Warty?
[06:11] <Mikey> Hi everyone, is root - admistration password set up to something by default? Or where to learn what I have to use..
[06:11] <TreadingSoftly> (On my system, it seems to crash instantly)
[06:11] <HostingGeek> TreadingSoftly: stick out
[06:11] <TreadingSoftly> (Quanta lasts a little longer...)
[06:11] <HostingGeek> ohh
[06:12] <HostingGeek> sorry
[06:12] <Ex-Cyber> roughly how much disk space does a "reasonable default" Ubuntu install take up?
[06:12] <HostingGeek> i thought you where talk about what i am talking about in #dns
[06:12] <HostingGeek> TreadingSoftly: on hoary no crashes
[06:12] <alge> Mike.
[06:13] <alge> root is disabled, use sudo
[06:13] <alge> w/ your normal user password
[06:13] <Mikey> alge: I was gonna set up network adapter, and it asked me for an administration password
[06:13] <TreadingSoftly> HostingGeek: what sort of specs machine (I'm Pentium III, 300-odd MB memory...) are you running?
[06:14] <lmuriel> hi to all
[06:14] <HostingGeek> Mikey: sudo passwd root
[06:14] <Mikey> but
[06:14] <jdub> Ex-Cyber: default desktop install is < 2GB
[06:14] <HostingGeek> TreadingSoftly: p4 prescot
[06:14] <Mikey> in a console_
[06:14] <Mikey> ?
[06:14] <jdub> Mikey: it's asking for your password
[06:14] <jdub> Mikey: don't do that
[06:14] <alge> no
[06:15] <TreadingSoftly> okay, thanks HostingGeek ... at least it's working for someone :)
[06:15] <Mikey> jdub: but if i typed my password, it didnt work
[06:15] <jdub> Mikey: tell me what you're launching
[06:15] <HostingGeek> TreadingSoftly: apt-get --purge remove screem
[06:15] <HostingGeek> then reinstall
[06:15] <TreadingSoftly> ok... I'll give that a go... thanks
[06:15] <Mikey> jdub: I was in Gnome, and I wanted to set up network
[06:15] <alge> sudo some_command
[06:15] <Mikey> jdub: it asked me for a administration password
[06:16] <jdub> Mikey: you clicked the Networking item in system configuration?
[06:16] <alge> will run the command with root privilege
[06:16] <Mikey> jdub: I think yes, that
[06:16] <Ex-Cyber> jdub: thanks
[06:16] <robhu> I tried the things listed in the bug report - but it still doesn't work :0(
[06:16] <jdub> Mikey: it should say "please enter your password to run network-admin"
[06:16] <robhu> Should I just wait until the developers fix it? How long is that likely to take?
[06:16] <HostingGeek> jdub: why not syslink gksu to gksudo
[06:17] <jdub> HostingGeek: because there are many valid reasons to use gksu
[06:17] <lmuriel> anyone knows where can i get more ubuntu themes?
[06:17] <HostingGeek> robhu: we have no idea what your talking about
[06:17] <Mikey> jdub: no, it wanted administration
[06:17] <jdub> lmuriel: gnome-look.org, art.gnome.org, etc.
[06:17] <robhu> HostingGeek: Previously crimsun was helping me so I hoped he would reply :)
[06:17] <Guardiann> hello people
[06:18] <jdub> Mikey: tell me what the dialogue says :)
[06:18] <robhu> HostingGeek: Basically gnome-panel is b0rked on my system - I just upgraded to Hoary
[06:18] <lmuriel> thanks...
[06:18] <Mikey> jdub: how could I know? I'm in windows now :p
[06:18] <HostingGeek> robhu: killall gnome-panel
[06:18] <lmuriel> sorry im newbye in gnome
[06:18] <DaNewB> Guardiann, hello bro
[06:18] <robhu> "no process killed"
[06:18] <jdub> Mikey: right, when you reboot, it's highly likely that you'll get the above message.
[06:18] <Guardiann> anyone know what i can do to get my sound working again, it worked great in warty but doesnt in hoary
[06:19] <HostingGeek> robhu: start gnome-failsafe
[06:19] <robhu> mmkay
[06:19] <jdub> Mikey: if not, type "gksudo network-admin" in a terminal or the run application dialogue.
[06:19] <HostingGeek> robhu: instead of gnome
[06:19] <crimsun> HostingGeek: are you using an LG?
[06:19] <HostingGeek> no
[06:19] <HostingGeek> yes
[06:19] <HostingGeek> sorry yes
[06:19] <jdub> robertj: explain what you mean by b0rked
[06:19] <jdub> bah
[06:20] <HostingGeek> LG F700P crimsun
[06:20] <Mikey> jdub: I feel like I quit :P
[06:20] <crimsun> HostingGeek: and you're attempting to use 1600x1200 @75 Hz?
[06:20] <HostingGeek> jdub: wrong person
[06:20] <HostingGeek> yes
[06:20] <HostingGeek> and i was before
[06:20] <jdub> HostingGeek: thus bah.
[06:20] <HostingGeek> i was using @76Hz before i formatted
[06:21] <Mikey> jdub: I just want internet working there
[06:21] <Mikey> :(
[06:21] <Mikey> jdub: and sound and everything
[06:21] <HostingGeek> jdub: your a sheep 0_o
[06:21] <robhu> OK that didn't help - in gnome-failsafe it does the same thing, and killall gnome-panel just says "no such process" again :(
[06:21] <Mikey> and I don't know how
[06:21] <jdub> Mikey: shouldn't be too hard, only way to get started is to dive right in.
[06:22] <marcin_ant> hello
[06:22] <marcin_ant> I have a problem with emacs on ubuntu
[06:22] <crimsun> HostingGeek: just for confirmation, you wish to use 1600x1200@75, correct?
[06:22] <HostingGeek> yes
[06:22] <jdub> robhu: no, that won't help you.
[06:22] <robhu> ok then what will :)
[06:22] <marcin_ant> I would like to edit files owned by root like on other distros
[06:22] <jdub> robhu: explain what you mean by 'b0rked'? what actually happens?
[06:22] <robhu> If I need to wait for a few days I can :)
[06:22] <robhu> ok
[06:22] <robhu> Basically gnome-panel etc don't load
[06:23] <HostingGeek> marcin_ant: son log in as root
[06:23] <marcin_ant> and run dired or find file with tramp
[06:23] <Ex-Cyber> does warty have accelerated OpenGL on R200 (fglrx notwithstanding)?
[06:23] <crimsun> HostingGeek: you must have been overdriving your monitor, which reports its max clock is 200 MHz
[06:23] <robhu> So I just see the background and an icon for the dvd I have in the dvd drive - if I right click I can open a terminal and then load stuff from there
[06:23] <HostingGeek> crimsun: which means
[06:23] <crimsun> HostingGeek: my suggestion is to try 1600x1200 @72 Hz
[06:23] <marcin_ant> for example - C-x d ret /root@hostname:/dir/subdir/
[06:23] <mjr> Ex-Cyber, yes
[06:23] <Ex-Cyber> mjr: okay, thanks
[06:24] <jdub> robhu: log out, jump to a console, delete ~/.gnome2/session
[06:24] <crimsun> HostingGeek: and to do that, you'll need to insert a modeline definition into /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:24] <marcin_ant> HostingGeek: this means that I need to open two instances of emacs
[06:24] <jdub> robhu: then kill off all your processes and log in again
[06:24] <jdub> marcin_ant: what's getting in the way of it working?
[06:24] <HostingGeek> crimsun: ok
[06:24] <crimsun> HostingGeek: place the following into Section "Monitor": Modeline "1600x1200_72.00"  196.00  1600 1712 1888 2176  1200 1201 1204 1251 -HSync +Vsync
[06:25] <marcin_ant> jdub: sorry but I don't understand you
[06:25] <robhu> I tried: sudo pkill -u $USER   and logged in again but that made no difference
[06:25] <jdub> marcin_ant: how is it not working?
[06:25] <HostingGeek> crimsun: offical my moni supports 85hz at this rez
[06:25] <crimsun> HostingGeek: and in Section "Screen", you need to prepend "1600x1200_72.00" before "1600x1200" "1280x1024"
[06:25] <HostingGeek> crimsun: i am lost
[06:25] <HostingGeek> can you edit the current file and pastebin me it
[06:25] <jdub> robhu: stay logged in, jump to a console - is there a gnome-panel process running?
[06:25] <crimsun> HostingGeek: not according to the manual. It only supports 1600x1200 @75 Hz.
[06:26] <Mikey> jdub: thanks for help, I know nothing more know, I guess you're too busy
[06:26] <Mikey> I give up
[06:26] <HostingGeek> crimsun: my box that my moi came in says this
[06:26] <robhu> jdub: Nope
[06:26] <jdub> Mikey: um...?
[06:26] <jdub> Mikey: have you actually tried again?
[06:26] <marcin_ant> jdub: tramp: Opening connection for root@e-dev using ssh...
[06:26] <marcin_ant> tramp: Waiting for prompts from remote shell
[06:26] <marcin_ant> tramp: Waiting 60s for prompt from remote shell
[06:26] <marcin_ant> tramp: Permission denied by remote host.
[06:26] <marcin_ant> tramp-process-actions: Login failed
[06:27] <jdub> marcin_ant: it's trying to log in as the root user via ssh
[06:27] <Mikey> jdub: I haven't
[06:27] <robhu> jdub: If I do a locate for gnome-panel it doesnt find anything but schemas etc... should there not be an actual gnome-panel binary somewhere?
[06:27] <Mikey> jdub: I don't know what to do
[06:27] <marcin_ant> jdub: and there is no root
[06:27] <jdub> Mikey: i provided you some help above
[06:27] <jdub> marcin_ant: that's right, root is disabled by default.
[06:27] <aethera> gnome network:// stuff out
[06:27] <aethera> works now than doesnt work again
[06:28] <jdub> marcin_ant: you can either re-enable it, or configure tramp to work differently
[06:28] <marcin_ant> jdub: so - what can I do to use emacs in my favourite way?
[06:28] <jdub> see above
[06:28] <crimsun> HostingGeek: I have found no confirmation that it supports 1600x1200 @75+, and mathematically it does not compute, since your max clock for your monitor is 203 MHz, but a 75 Hz refresh rate requires 205.99 MHz, and anything higher than 75 Hz would require an even higher clock.
[06:28] <marcin_ant> jdub: I can run emacs with: sudo emacs
[06:28] <jdub> robhu: which gnome-panel
[06:28] <marcin_ant> jdub: but it is just uncomfortable
[06:28] <crimsun> HostingGeek: open your /etc/X11/xorg.conf with an editor using sudo
[06:28] <HostingGeek> crimsun: ok so i got a bogus box
[06:29] <marcin_ant> jdub: can you give me hint how to enable root account?
[06:29] <HostingGeek> nano\
[06:29] <jdub> marcin_ant: again, you can either re-enable root, or configure tramp to log in differently
[06:29] <crimsun> HostingGeek: scroll down to Section "Monitor" and add the mode definition I gave you
[06:29] <marcin_ant> jdub: or link to some docs
[06:29] <robhu> err - I dont know what you are asking me - is there more than one? I tried ps aux | grep panel and ps aux | grep gnome, then locate gnome-panel
[06:29] <jdub> marcin_ant: if you have to do it that way, sudo passwd root
[06:29] <crimsun> HostingGeek: `sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf' is fine
[06:29] <jdub> marcin_ant: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[06:29] <jdub> robhu: type "which gnome-panel"
[06:29] <aethera> can you restart nautilus with out restarting gnome?
[06:29] <Hydrus> hey guys
[06:29] <robhu> ok ! (dumb me!)
[06:29] <jdub> aethera: killall nautilus
[06:30] <robhu> jdub: it didnt print anything
[06:30] <jdub> robhu: that's a problem
[06:30] <jdub> robhu: install ubuntu-desktop
[06:30] <robhu> too few arguments
[06:30] <admin_> i am trying to use ubuntu as a gateway but don't see any initscript for iptables - any ideas?
[06:30] <marcin_ant> jdub: thanks
[06:31] <jdub> robhu: um, dude, come on... sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:31] <crimsun> HostingGeek: after you add the mode definition in Section "Monitor", add the mode itself to the beginning of the Modes lists in Section "Screen"
[06:32] <robhu> ok I thought I should be doing that but so far when I try to understand what you've said I do something wrong or misunderstand so I've been assuming that you're sending me actual commands (like when you said 'which gnome-panel' and I thought that was a question :0)
[06:32] <robhu> ok it is installing stuff now
[06:32] <robhu> How could I have deleted it? Doh!
[06:32] <murf> Hi! has ubuntu correction of uselib in kernel 2.6.10? Please point me to web or so, thanks
[06:32] <Mikey> jdub: you gave me help which really wont help me, sorry
[06:33] <jdub> Mikey: sure it will
[06:33] <robhu> Thanks for the help jdub it really is appreciated :0)
[06:33] <jdub> Mikey: unless you try, you won't know
[06:33] <HostingGeek> crimsun: can't i get rid of 1600x1200
[06:33] <Mikey> I dont understand what I have to do, that's it
[06:33] <Mikey> :(
[06:33] <jdub> Mikey: like i said before, click "Networking" in the system configuration menu
[06:33] <cmr> rhythmbox is telling me there's no plugin for mp3. i have gstreamer-plugins, gstreamer-misc and gstreamer-mad installed;
[06:33] <jdub> Mikey: it will ask for your password
[06:34] <jdub> Mikey: if, for some reason, it does not say "enter your password to run network-admin", run this command in a terminal: gksudo network-admin
[06:35] <murf> or is there still 2.6.7 kernel ?
[06:35] <HostingGeek> crimsun: can't i get rid of 1600x1200???
[06:35] <crimsun> night jdub
[06:35] <HostingGeek> its 4:35am
[06:35] <crimsun> HostingGeek: sure, you can replace that 1600x1200 one with the generated one
[06:35] <crimsun> murf: sec.
[06:36] <HostingGeek> crimsun: and restart x
[06:37] <crimsun> murf: yes, it is fixed in Warty
[06:38] <HostingGeek> crimsun: i think you mean hoary
[06:38] <HostingGeek> brb
[06:38] <crimsun> murf: please see http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2005-January/000059.html
[06:39] <crimsun> murf: for Hoary's 2.6.10, please see the changelog for linux-source-2.6.10 (2.6.10-6)
[06:39] <marcin_ant> yet another question - is there available something like package with apache tomcat?
[06:39] <murf> crimsun: thank you very much, Hoaray hasn't come out yet, right?
[06:39] <crimsun> murf: correct, not until April.
[06:40] <linux_mafia> any ideas why pan dosen't show up in the applications menu in hoary?
[06:40] <linux_mafia> it used to
[06:40] <HostingGeek> crimsun: made no diffrence
[06:41] <HostingGeek> crimsun: accully the fonts look uglier now
[06:42] <crimsun> HostingGeek: what mode is it using?
[06:42] <DaNewB> In Synaptic, whic is better? Normal or Smart Upgrade?
[06:42] <HostingGeek> crimsun: its on 800x600 @ 53hz still
[06:43] <crimsun> DaNewB: for Hoary, generally Smart. for Warty, Normal will suffice.
[06:43] <HostingGeek> and the 53hz is giving me a head ack
[06:43] <crimsun> HostingGeek: please paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log onto pastebin.com
[06:43] <HostingGeek> DaNewB: smart == dist-upgrade
[06:44] <DaNewB> crimsun, HostingGeek, understood
[06:44] <HostingGeek> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/229573
[06:45] <randabis> anybody on hoary noticed how much faster every other browser is than firefox?
[06:45] <randabis> meaning galeon, mozilla, epiphany, etc
[06:45] <HostingGeek> yes
[06:45] <HostingGeek> disable ipv6
[06:45] <randabis> been there, done that
[06:46] <Mikey> jdub: i will try, but...
[06:46] <maximaus> randabis, firefox is plenty fast, but does have memory leaks, feel free to join the channels #mozilla or #firefox and investigate.
[06:46] <HostingGeek> randabis: well 1.1 is WAY faster
[06:47] <HostingGeek> maximaus: on irc.mozilla.org
[06:47] <maximaus> thanks, HostingGeek
[06:47] <Raskal> Good morning...how do I enable applets in the Ubuntu GNOME desktop? I am  new to Linux (I've only tried 3 other distros) and like Ubuntu best by far...
[06:48] <maximaus> Raskal, there are applets for the panel, right click and investigate :)
[06:48] <Raskal> ??
[06:48] <maximaus> right click on the panel to get a menu
[06:48] <crimsun> HostingGeek: please paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, too. There seems to be a missing mode definition according to your /etc/X11/Xorg.0.log
[06:48] <maximaus> Raskal : select "add to panel..."
[06:48] <crimsun> HostingGeek: you need to ensure you placed the modeline definition in the correct place.
[06:48] <Raskal> I am doing so...
[06:49] <Raskal> ahhh...I see...LOL
[06:49] <Raskal> sweet!!
[06:49] <HostingGeek> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/229574
[06:51] <Raskal> maximaus: thank you!
[06:51] <maximaus> no problem. LOL now wasn't that simple :P
[06:52] <Raskal> very....like I said, I am still a n00b...but learning!  Hey, do you know where I can get gmplayer?
[06:52] <tritium> mjg59, ping
[06:53] <maximaus> Raskal: through synaptic, though you need to configure the repostories first--check the wiki on ubuntulinux.org
[06:53] <maximaus> Raskal: I'd actually recommend installing totem-xine instead through synaptic, as installing mplayer seems to be troublesome with Ubuntu.
[06:53] <HostingGeek> crimsun: so you see the problem?
[06:54] <Raskal> right...I have my repositories set up as recommended in the "Unofficial Ubuntu Guide for 4.10"...
[06:54] <Raskal> I have mplayer working fine...just no gui...but I will see how totem-xine works...
[06:54] <DaNewB> Raskal, pretty well if u ask me
[06:54] <maximaus> Oh you got mplayer working? then gmplayer should be easy
[06:55] <maximaus> Raskal, did you install mplayer through synaptic?
[06:55] <Raskal> The bitter irony of it is...I cannot find gmplayer anywhere...yes, I did...but you need to install a lib to get it to work properly if you have xmms installed...
[06:56] <Gaaston> Hello, I'm looking for someone who tried to install warty over a raid1 software device.
[06:57] <tritium> Cool - I have suspend to RAM working on my Dell C840 (Hoary)!
[06:57] <looksaus> I experience this strange problem with Hoary here:
[06:57] <tritium> except for some issues with wireless lan card
[06:57] <looksaus> (upgraded from Debian Sarge)
[06:58] <looksaus> gnome system sounds are working, but all other things
[06:58] <looksaus> (rhythmbox, totem, ...) say something about another program using the alsa device already
[06:59] <looksaus> could it be that my gnome sounds are directly accessing the alsa stuff
[06:59] <looksaus> without using esd?
[06:59] <looksaus> if so, does anyone know a way to solve that?
[06:59] <monkey89> gstreamer-properties
[06:59] <crimsun> looksaus: hoary is set to use esd
[06:59] <looksaus> crimsun, I upgraded from Debian Sarge...
[07:00] <looksaus> couldn't that be the problem?
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> updated from Debian to Ubuntu?
[07:00] <looksaus> yup
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> hmm... thats interesting...
[07:00] <HostingGeek> crimsun: so any update is there a problem in my config?
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> and in some ways scary. :P
[07:00] <Raskal> Will removing totem from my system cause any conflicts? I prefer to use mplayer and xmms for multimedia...
[07:00] <looksaus> Dr_Willis, apt-get removed almost everything, then changed my sources.list
[07:01] <looksaus> and apt-get dist-upgraded
[07:01] <looksaus> doesn't look too bad so far
[07:01] <DaNewB> Raskal, Synaptic will tell you what it removes
[07:01] <looksaus> but of course, you wouldn't want to do that on production hardware...
[07:01] <crimsun> looksaus: don't paste the output. Look at what `grep esd /etc/gconf/schemas/gstreamer-0.8.schemas' returns.
[07:01] <looksaus> heck, you wouldn't even want to run hoary on that
[07:01] <Raskal> Right...so it shouldn't goof with anything, right DaNewB?
[07:02] <crimsun> HostingGeek: sec.
[07:02] <DaNewB> Raskal, totem, dont think so
[07:02] <Raskal> DaNewB...what is the diff between "removal" and "complete removal"?
[07:03] <DaNewB> Raskal, complete will remove files like preference files or something
[07:03] <Raskal> rgr
[07:03] <mebaran> Anyone know who to contact to recompile the libwxgtk2.4 against gtk 2.6; the libwxgtk in the repos is quite ugly being it is based on gtk1.2.
[07:04] <looksaus> crimsun, thx, seems like that nailed down the problem
[07:04] <mebaran> oh and anyone up for a CUPS problem?
[07:04] <crimsun> mebaran: in warty/universe?
[07:04] <mebaran> in hoary
[07:04] <mebaran> I think it is main restricted
[07:04] <mebaran> as xmms depends on it
[07:04] <mebaran> let me check
[07:05] <mebaran> weird
[07:05] <crimsun> mebaran: no, hoary/universe.
[07:05] <mebaran> yes
[07:05] <crimsun> mebaran: instead, you should use 'libwxgtk2.5.3' if you want gtk2
[07:05] <DaNewB> Raskal, precisely "Complete Romoval" will remove configuration files and user created data
[07:05] <mebaran> that is where it lies
[07:05] <mebaran> oh thanks
[07:06] <aethera> whats the wmv codec I have to install
[07:06] <aethera> to wathc wmv files
[07:06] <crimsun> HostingGeek: still looking.
[07:06] <HostingGeek> crimsun: maybe x isn't reread the config file
[07:06] <DaNewB> aethera, i think you can get all w32codecs at once
[07:07] <crimsun> HostingGeek: did you restart gdm?
[07:07] <mebaran> ah I see the problem  now
[07:07] <mebaran> All the apps I was running were built against an old version of wxgtk
[07:07] <aethera> root@epox:/etc/init.d # apt-get install w32codecs
[07:07] <mebaran> but they all lie in universe so I guess I would have to contact the Debian folks?
[07:07] <HostingGeek> crimsun: i can't remeber
[07:08] <HostingGeek> i think i rebooted
[07:08] <crimsun> mebaran: come again? You're using hoary with the universe repo enabled, no?
[07:08] <aethera> Reading Package Lists... Done
[07:08] <aethera> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[07:08] <aethera> enabl: Couldn't find package w32codecs
[07:09] <mebaran> aethera: do you have the multiverse enabled
[07:09] <crimsun> aethera: have you added the marillat repo?
[07:09] <aethera> DaNewB: any other ideas?
[07:09] <aethera> :P
[07:09] <HostingGeek> crimsun: will /etc/init.d/gdm reload be enough
[07:09] <DaNewB> aethera, i think it's in the marillat repos
[07:09] <mebaran> Could anyone tell me why gip-pirnt prints all my pages about 5 sizes too small
[07:10] <aethera> how do I do that
[07:10] <aethera> :(
[07:10] <randabis> rtfm
[07:10] <randabis> lol j/k
[07:10] <aethera> randabis: ..|..
[07:10] <crimsun> HostingGeek: 'restart'
[07:11] <aethera> I am not going to read the manaul
[07:11] <DaNewB> aethera, grrrr
[07:11] <randabis> www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:11] <HostingGeek> crimsun: ok once i finish this d/l
[07:11] <gioeleb> hi
[07:11] <looksaus> aethera, this is just basic things
[07:11] <crimsun> aethera: then please read the online resources that are linked from the Ubuntu wiki.
[07:11] <HostingGeek> i should of done it from the console
[07:11] <gioeleb> are CD covers available for d/l?
[07:11] <DaNewB> aethera, it's all in the wiki
[07:11] <gioeleb> I'd like to print them out
[07:11] <looksaus> you can't expect anyone to explain you these real simple steps
[07:12] <looksaus> the web pages will be clearer anyway
[07:12] <HostingGeek> gioeleb: if they are they would be in wiki/art
[07:13] <evilmegaman> I know I have probably asked way to often but, I am having a problem installing ubuntu. When It is probing devices, It gets
[07:13] <evilmegaman> to scanning for cd rom drives, but then it tells me it cannot load the driver
[07:13] <evilmegaman> for it. what should I do?
[07:13] <DaNewB> aethera, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/
[07:13] <tritium> Anybody using acpi-support for suspend-to-disk?
[07:13] <DaNewB> aethera, do that
[07:13] <aethera> fixed it 2minutes ago mate
[07:14] <DaNewB> aethera, huh? well great
[07:15] <pw> I'm getting an MD5 mismatch on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[07:15] <pw> is there a mirror that carries hoary?
[07:17] <kent> pw, well, it seems to me, that a mirror of a file that gives you md5 mismatch wont help, since its a mirror of that file? :)
[07:17] <HostingGeek> pw: lots of them
[07:17] <HostingGeek> kent: but a mirror that makes its own Package.gz file will now
[07:18] <HostingGeek> *not
[07:18] <pw> kent: Well, switching to mirrorservice.org fixed it :)
[07:18] <HostingGeek> pw: i think thats is the offical one
[07:19] <crimsun> is anyone running Warty attempting to install mplayer?
[07:19] <pw> crimsun: I had mplayer installed from marillat's repository under warty.
[07:19] <crimsun> pw: before he updated his builds, I presume.
[07:19] <kent> HostingGeek, but do mirrors make up their own Package.gz then?  I dont know, so im probably wrong, but i thought mirror was a complete mirror of the selected files. Otherwise, they would be their own repository..?
[07:20] <pw> crimsun: This was a little while ago, yes.
[07:20] <HostingGeek> kent: not all
[07:20] <HostingGeek> crimsun: doing it now
[07:22] <crimsun> I have backported mplayer 1.0-pre6a to Warty if anyone running Warty needs to install it now. You will still need marillat's line for w32codecs, etc., but the mplayer binaries have been built.
[07:22] <crimsun> That will resolve the inability to install mplayer.
[07:23] <HostingGeek> crimsun: =(
[07:24] <HostingGeek> crimsun: i don't think xorg is read the new config
[07:24] <crimsun> HostingGeek: it looks like it is, since there's an error in your log file regarding the mode not existing
[07:25] <HostingGeek> Failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager as user root:
[07:25] <HostingGeek>  Child terminated with 245 status
[07:25] <HostingGeek> thats from exiting update-manager
[07:26] <HostingGeek> crimsun: howto make it reread the config
[07:26] <HostingGeek> xorgconfig?
[07:26] <HostingGeek> or
[07:26] <HostingGeek> xorgcfg
[07:27] <jatos> hi all
[07:28] <HostingGeek> jatos: now you expect 307 to say hi back right?
[07:28] <jatos> I was expecting someone to say hi back at least
[07:28] <crimsun> well hi'
[07:29] <jatos> anyone know any good ways of customising ubuntu here?
[07:29] <DaNewB> jatos, change the theme?
[07:29] <crimsun> HostingGeek: please go back to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and in Section "Monitor", make sure the Modeline definition is one one line.
[07:29] <crimsun> HostingGeek: is on one, rather
[07:30] <spiral> hi
[07:30] <HostingGeek> crimsun: it is
[07:30] <Crane> hello
[07:31] <jatos> I mean't more in the like of channging the bootup sequence - should have said tweaking
[07:32] <gioeleb> is there a way to tell apt (synaptic) to download two packages at a time?
[07:32] <DaNewB> gioeleb, select them both(synatic)?
[07:33] <Mikey> jdub: I succeeded running the networking
[07:33] <Mikey> jdub: but i guess i cant set it up
[07:33] <gioeleb> DaNewB: it will dl them one after another. I'd like to download them at the same time (my mirror is a bit slow)
[07:33] <HostingGeek> gioeleb: use more than one rep
[07:34] <gioeleb> ok, I'll try later
[07:34] <HostingGeek> gioeleb: for each rep your allowed 1
[07:34] <gioeleb> now, let's go to grub. is there a grub frontend in ubuntu?
[07:35] <looksaus> hm, something strange is going on with cups
[07:35] <HostingGeek> no need
[07:35] <gioeleb> I want to add a windows 98 partition that the installer didn't see
[07:35] <HostingGeek> gioeleb: ubutnu doesn't show the grub menu unless you request it
[07:35] <gioeleb> and I would like to avoid editing menu.lst by hand
[07:35] <looksaus> from /var/log/cups/error_log: I [16/Jan/2005:19:31:00 +0100]  Listening to 7f000001:631
[07:35] <looksaus> of course, this fails
[07:36] <gioeleb> HostingGeek: and I also would like to see the boot loader :)
[07:36] <looksaus> for some reason, it uses the hex representation of 127.0.0.1
[07:36] <HostingGeek> gioeleb: usplash will be in hoary
[07:36] <looksaus> then, of course, it complains about
[07:36] <looksaus> E [16/Jan/2005:17:50:11 +0100]  StartListening: Unable to bind socket for address 7f000001:631 - Kan gevraagde adres niet toewijzen.
[07:37] <gioeleb> I'm updating to hoary right now, so I think I'll see it in a while
[07:37] <HostingGeek> crimsun: xorgconfig time?
[07:37] <looksaus> [...] 7f000001:631 - Can't assign requested adress
[07:38] <looksaus> monkey89, thx, your comment on setting gstreamer to use esd helped
[07:38] <monkey89> looksaus: np :)
[07:39] <looksaus> anyone with this same strange cups problem on hoary?
[07:39] <kotau> whats the command to start the install of ut2004?  I have a file called linux-installer.sh, but i cannot run it from gui or term, maybe I am typing in the wrong commend?
[07:39] <jono> hi all
[07:39] <monkey89> kotau: sh linux-installer.sh ?
[07:40] <monkey89> or ./linux-installer.sh if its executable
[07:41] <kotau> aha, thanks monkey.  I know how to run a script now :X
[07:41] <monkey89> :_
[07:41] <monkey89> bleh
[07:42] <monkey89> anyways, back to getting cedega to stop stinking
[07:42] <looksaus> hm, my printer is a postscript jetdirect thing
[07:42] <looksaus> you can cat stuff to <printer's ip>:9100
[07:42] <looksaus> and have it printed
[07:42] <looksaus> or telnet into the printer on that port
[07:43] <looksaus> I wonder if there is an easy other way than cups to get it working?
[07:43] <looksaus> (just for the fun)
[07:43] <looksaus> or an easy way to get it running with cups?
[07:43] <looksaus> gnome-volume-manager doesn't want to start...
[07:44] <pmfp> how can you get the Ubuntu .config for their prepackaged kernels?
[07:44] <looksaus> editing /etc/cups/printers.conf doesn't seem to work
[07:45] <crimsun> pmfp: /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[07:45] <TraceyTux> I'm having a 2nd hard disk put in my computer soon - I'll be using it for Ubuntu. I was wondering if it'd be OK for the new HDD to be slave to my original HDD, which will be Windows-only, and Grub to be in the MBR?
[07:46] <crimsun> TraceyTux: yes.
[07:46] <HostingGeek> crimsun: xorgconfig time??
[07:46] <crimsun> HostingGeek: we need to figure out why your modeline is being ignored.
[07:46] <aethera> TraceyTux: that is fine just install windows first
[07:46] <LinuxNIT-> anoyone know about using QTparted?
[07:47] <aethera> LinuxNIT-: I have used it once or twice
[07:47] <HostingGeek> LinuxNIT-: qt yuck use gtk
[07:47] <LinuxNIT-> just gtk or is ther more to the name of the program?
[07:47] <TraceyTux> aethera: Windows is already on it, in fact I'm typing this in it!
[07:47] <LinuxNIT-> i used gparted once but i cant get it in ubuntu
[07:47] <aethera> TraceyTux: than no need to worry :)
[07:48] <monkey89> gparted is the gtk version of qtparted, me thinks
[07:49] <aethera> monkey89: correct
[07:49] <randabis> couldn't find package: gparted
[07:49] <HostingGeek> monkey89: wrong qtparted is the qt version of gparted
[07:49] <TraceyTux> OK, the next question, the 2nd HDD will be 100% Ubuntu - which installation mode should I use, Default or Expert?
[07:49] <monkey89> er
[07:50] <gioeleb> mmmm updating to hoary while running X is not a good idea
[07:50] <wezzer> really? :p
[07:50] <aethera> default is for best exprience
[07:50] <pmfp> Somebody mentioned modelines ignored: if you've just upgraded to hoary it may not have actually switched to xorg even if it asked for it
[07:50] <JDahl> gioeleb, why not? that's should be fine
[07:50] <randabis> gioeleb why? I've done 2 hoary installs no problems with X running
[07:50] <kubu> i have a question about mplayer, it doesn't work on my AMD proc
[07:50] <pmfp> (and you chose it)
[07:50] <stuNNed> crimsun, there are a few issues with gmplayer of that mplayer, /query ?
[07:50] <LinuxNIT-> any way i am trying to resizea windows partition and it wants me to unmount ALL partitions. can linux still run if i click yes?
[07:50] <evilmegaman> Can I install ubuntu from the live CD?
[07:51] <DaNewB> evilmegaman, no
[07:51] <gioeleb> randabis: my gnome panel (and all the applets) has crashed
[07:51] <monkey89> HostingGeek: seeing as how the qtparted changelog goes back to 2003 and the first release of gparted was 2004...
[07:51] <gioeleb> and it can't start back
[07:51] <pmfp> you'll need to manually point apt-get to xorg-server... you can see if it actually switched by the name of the log file in /var/log
[07:51] <randabis> I assume gparted isn't in the repositories
[07:52] <LinuxNIT-> no its not i tried to apt-get gparted
[07:52] <crimsun> stuNNed: have you run across any?
[07:52] <stuNNed> crimsun, yes, a few with gmplayer
[07:52] <DaNewB> evilmegaman, the install CD is for that purpose
[07:52] <stuNNed> crimsun, two, actually
[07:52] <crimsun> stuNNed: spill.
[07:52] <monkey89> randabis: there's an ubuntu-specific package on the dl site for 0.0.6
[07:53] <jazzka> hi!
[07:53] <randabis> mm
[07:53] <jazzka> I can mount a partition, but the normal user, cant write on it
[07:53] <evilmegaman> Danewb. Is there any way other than the install cd? it doesn't work. It can't find drivers for my cd rom drive or something
[07:53] <jazzka> if I mount it with -o umask=000 I get an error
[07:53] <jazzka> any help?
[07:53] <gioeleb> is universe rep compatible with hoary? I hope so
[07:54] <kubu> i have compiled mplayer using the howto on the forums, but i keep getting the same error, an Illegal Instruction after reading the config file
[07:54] <aethera> jazzka: is it a ntfs partition?
[07:54] <spiral> hmmm... on #ati they tell me that the new driver should be released tomorrow... do you know whether there will soon be a package for it in hoary ?
[07:54] <crimsun> gioeleb: both warty and hoary have universe repos, but it is not supported by ubuntu.
[07:54] <randabis> 0.0.6 is old though :p
[07:54] <jazzka> aethera, it's an ext3 partition
[07:54] <DaNewB> evilmegaman, i believe there is a netboot method http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto
[07:54] <kubu> the forum says it's a known error, but are there any fixes yet?
[07:54] <crimsun> spiral: very soon, yes.
[07:54] <evilmegaman> ok :)
[07:55] <stuNNed> crimsun, (1) when gmplayer starts the rotary (hourglass) hangs for a few seconds like it's waiting for something to initialize and (2) nevermind, and issue in my mplayer.conf :) and (3) might set the default xo=xv so that when 'f' key for fullscreen, image isn't centered in middle of screen but does take up full screen?  the first is the only real issue though.  let me run gmplayer in terminal
[07:55] <spiral> crimsun: nice :-)
[07:55] <DaNewB> evilmegaman, i think you could install from knoppix too but dont ask me
[07:55] <stuNNed> crimsun, ok when i start gmplayer in terminal there is no hang
[07:55] <stuNNed> crimsun, i don't use gmplayer really but...
[07:55] <HostingGeek> crimsun: any idea when we can find out why its not working?
[07:55] <stuNNed> crimsun, only when i start it from menu
[07:55] <ZzeCoOl> i have install thunderbird under hoary and i cant find how to start the application any clue???
[07:56] <ZzeCoOl> there is nothing hidden in my home dir
[07:56] <randabis> mozilla-thunderbird
[07:56] <ZzeCoOl> thanx
[07:56] <crimsun> stuNNed: I will take a look at the menu entry
[07:56] <Scooter> Hi all! I am trying to kill some tasks to make game run faster... is smproxy important? (I dont want to break anything)
[07:56] <randabis> probably have to add it to your panels manually
[07:56] <crimsun> stuNNed: don't understand (2) or (3)
[07:57] <crimsun> stuNNed: x11 is a safer default, because xv is broken on some chipsets
[07:57] <stuNNed> crimsun, nevermind on (2) and (3) x11 is safer? nevermind on that one as well :)
[07:57] <crimsun> stuNNed: thanks for notifying.
[07:57] <philuk86> can anyone help me setup postfix to listen on all network cards, ive set inet_interfaces = all but still no joy
[07:57] <crimsun> stuNNed: xv is optimised for the drivers that support it properly
[07:58] <stuNNed> crimsun, only probs can find then is when launched from menu entry
[07:58] <Guardiann> hello anyone know what i can do to get my sound gto work with hoary it worked great in warty but after upgradinbg no sound :(
[07:58] <stuNNed> crimsun, think it's safe to use hoary 2.6.10 kernel in warty?
[08:01] <crimsun> stuNNed: your call, though I advise you to stick with Warty's if you use the binary-only Nvidia or ATI driver.
[08:02] <stuNNed> crimsun, got it, thanks
[08:02] <stamp_> Hi
[08:02] <stamp_> I have a question
[08:02] <ZzeCoOl> omg where thunderbird is installed by default if you do it under apt-get?
[08:03] <ZzeCoOl> i cant find the path to the appl folder ....or the icon
[08:03] <stamp_> is it posibole too install ubuntu from live-cd ?
[08:03] <mjg59> ZzeCoOl: Should appear under Applications/Internet
[08:03] <mjg59> The binary is in /usr/bin
[08:03] <ZzeCoOl> mjg59 yes but it isnt
[08:03] <ZzeCoOl> i have hoary maybe this help
[08:03] <ZzeCoOl> s
[08:04] <mjg59> If it's broken in Hoary, then file a bug report
[08:04] <monkey89> don't you have to log out and in of gnome to get the menus to regeneratre
[08:04] <ZzeCoOl> i dont want to report a bug right now i just want to find where it is installed
[08:04] <crimsun> monkey89: generally, no.
[08:05] <Guardiann> ZzeCoOl does your sound work?
[08:05] <ZzeCoOl> yes a little bit strange
[08:05] <Guardiann> hmmm mine doesnt
[08:05] <ZzeCoOl> if i open the mixer ...it crashes
[08:06] <ZzeCoOl> there is an alsa problem though
[08:06] <monkey89> ZzeCoOl: Look in synaptic and under the properties window of the app, look at installed files
[08:06] <ZzeCoOl> ok thanx
[08:06] <Guardiann> everything else on hoary i have been able to get to work
[08:06] <ZzeCoOl> Guardiann search it at google
[08:06] <fuflo> uhm.. hi .. im having some strange problem.. i'm lithuanian and i chose lithuanian as my language.. BUT, strangely synaptic shows up half enligh, half russian, and there are some other progs with display as russian/english
[08:06] <ZzeCoOl> u may find something
[08:06] <HostingGeek> crimsun: so will i be stuck at 800x600 :( should i just downgrade to xfree
[08:06] <Guardiann> I have
[08:06] <cutterjohn> hello, I have a quick question:  I'm running warty with mono 1.0.1-1 from universe installed, plus gtksharp of same vintage.  I grabbed the source tarball for monodevelop today, configured and did a sudo checkinstall make install (as recomended elsewhere)
[08:07] <fuflo> if they would be all in english, i wont be here.. but why are they in russian??
[08:07] <cutterjohn> The compile and install goes ok, but running the monodevelop script either gets an ussported signal error or a missing libgtksharp-win32
[08:07] <cutterjohn> (oh, er BTW this is the powerpc based arch)
[08:08] <fuflo> any help? :)
[08:08] <cutterjohn> (and er libgtk-win32-2.0-0.dll)
[08:08] <crimsun> HostingGeek: I don't think so
[08:09] <cutterjohn> (the other error is: Unhandled Exception: System.ExecutionEngineException: SIGILL)
[08:09] <HostingGeek> crimsun: so any idea howto fix it
[08:09] <ZzeCoOl> what package i have to install so i can have fonts like arial ??? (windows fonts)
[08:10] <cutterjohn> has anyone else got monodevelop running under a similar configuration?
[08:10] <ZzeCoOl> i love some of the windows fonts
[08:10] <looksaus> is tomboy installable in hoary right now?
[08:10] <looksaus> which repositories do I need?
 you can just copy windows fonts over from your windows partition, usualy in C:|windows\fonts
[08:10] <gioeleb> oh my, this hoary update is taking forever.... is "Setting up foobar" the last action done by apt?
[08:11] <disposable_sh> i've installed xmms but when i want to load some mp3s the fonts are so small i can't even read it. anyone know how to solve this?
[08:11] <cutterjohn> gioleb: how much stuff actually needs to be updated to go warty to hoary?
[08:11] <ZzeCoOl> there is also a package but i cant remember the name
[08:11] <crimsun> HostingGeek: it's bizarre that your Modeline is being ignored, however
[08:11] <crimsun> HostingGeek: does using xserver-xfree86 work?
[08:11] <looksaus> disposable_sh, using rhyhthmbox is not an option?
[08:11] <gioeleb> cutterjohn: many many packages 170 or so
[08:12] <cutterjohn> gioleb: big ones? (Im on dialup but am considering it if its not too big...)
[08:12] <disposable_sh> looksaus: :) no, thanx
[08:12] <looksaus> disposable_sh, I'm sorry I can't really help you on that one
[08:12] <gioeleb> cutterjohn: few are really big, many are about 1MB
[08:12] <cutterjohn> gioleb: or barring that any idea of what the minimal upgrade/update might be?
[08:13] <HostingGeek> crimsun: its not installed
[08:13] <looksaus> (so happy to finally have gotten rid of gtk 1.2)
[08:13] <crimsun> HostingGeek: install it (it should remove xserver-xorg)
[08:13] <cutterjohn> anyone on the Monodevelop failure?
[08:14] <HostingGeek> crimsun: its in hoary
[08:14] <gioeleb> cutterjohn, I think you should start updating the base system (30/45 MB) then X and then the rest
[08:14] <HostingGeek> isn't it a dummy package
[08:14] <t325> Is there a way to have a "forget sudo authorisation" button in gnome's notification zone, like in rh or mdk? or at least to change timeout value?
[08:14] <crimsun> t325: sudo -k
[08:14] <cutterjohn> gioleb: thanks, I'll have to dig more in the mailing list, but that would sound right...
[08:14] <t325> thx
[08:14] <crimsun> t325: changing the timeout value is an option, too; see the man page.
[08:15] <t325> ok
[08:15] <HostingGeek> crimsun: isn't it a dummy package
[08:15] <disposable_sh> does ubuntu automatically update menus? i've installed k3b, xmms and they don't show up
[08:16] <crimsun> HostingGeek: hmm, yes.
[08:16] <crimsun> HostingGeek: sorry, it's different on my system, which is pinned to sid
[08:17] <HostingGeek> crimsun: seems not
[08:17] <HostingGeek> i am downloading 30mb
[08:17] <crimsun> heh, hopefully you're not doing any wacky pinning.
[08:18] <DaNewB> disposable_sh, usually, it should
[08:18] <HostingGeek> crimsun: not yet
[08:19] <cutterjohn> on another hoary/x.org are there any known problems with ATI Rage mobilities and X.org? (or older ibooks/powerbooks & X.org?)
[08:19] <DaNewB> disposable_sh, but try log-out login again or restart x
[08:19] <disposable_sh> DaNewB: it did, tnx
[08:19] <HostingGeek> crimsun: hmm it depends on xorg-common
[08:19] <parazoid_> Does anyone knows what this is: '/var/spool/exim/msglog'? It?s taking up 8.1GB
[08:19] <HostingGeek> crimsun: and apt was downloading something
[08:19] <crimsun> HostingGeek: xfree86-common?
[08:20] <HostingGeek> crimsun: yes
[08:20] <HostingGeek> sry
[08:20] <HostingGeek> i installed xserver-xfree
[08:20] <crimsun> HostingGeek: check the /etc/X11/X symlink
[08:21] <HostingGeek> how
[08:21] <crimsun> ls -l /etc/X11/X
[08:21] <HostingGeek> goes to xfree
[08:21] <HostingGeek> me restart
[08:22] <xav_> hi
[08:22] <fuflo> is there a way to run only synaptic with LC_ALL set to english?
[08:22] <gioeleb> in synaptic, what is the difference between "mark for removal" and "mark for *complete* removal"?
[08:22] <schleyfox> Hello, has anyone in here had any luck with micro advantage quikidrive usb flash HDs?
[08:23] <crimsun> gioeleb: the "complete" remove conffiles, too.
[08:23] <DaNewB> gioeleb, complete removal removes config files and user created data
[08:23] <schleyfox> The box says it works in Linux but it does not appear to work.
[08:23] <crimsun> fuflo: "English" or C?
[08:23] <crimsun> fuflo: I recommend C if you need something vital.
[08:24] <evilmegaman> will using knoppix to install ubuntu get me the same results as using the CD? or will it be different? Is there any other distro I can use to install ubuntu?
[08:25] <crimsun> evilmegaman: there are instructions on the wiki for using knoppix to bootstrap a ubuntu install.
[08:25] <DaNewB> evilmegaman, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto
[08:26] <evilmegaman> Yeah. Just wondering if it gets me the same results.. so does it?
[08:26] <xBrianx> I've read conficting assertions, so I was hoping someone could clear it up for me: do Debian repositories "play well" with Ubuntu?
[08:26] <HostingGeek> xfree works
[08:26] <HostingGeek> font super small
[08:26] <crimsun> HostingGeek: please file a bug for xserver-xorg, then.
[08:26] <xav_> evilmegaman: installing with the cd is ok
[08:26] <cutterjohn> monodevelop: I see in the forums that Im not the first with this problem with monodevelop... anyone ever get it resolved as there are no real followups in the forums?
[08:27] <crimsun> evilmegaman: the end result is similar
[08:27] <crimsun> evilmegaman: not identical.
[08:27] <evilmegaman> Oh
[08:27] <mjr> xBrianx, unsupported, stuff might install, but  you really don't want to keep both in sources.list
[08:27] <evilmegaman> I wish I could install with the installation cd
[08:27] <HostingGeek> crimsun: what do i say
[08:27] <HostingGeek> and its 6:30am
[08:27] <xBrianx> hmmmm...alright.  Thank you mjr
[08:28] <DaNewB> xBrianx, use universe, multiverse and backports repos instaed
[08:28] <xBrianx> I've been using Fedora up till about 5 minutes ago (Warty is finishing it's install).  I've used Ubuntu at work.  No complaints, just a little aged/limited packages.  Was hoping to use the Debian repositories to remedy that.
[08:29] <looksaus> which w32codecs and related packages do I need in hoary? Sid or sarge?
[08:29] <looksaus> (I mean from Marillat)
[08:30] <stuNNed> if hoary then sid?
[08:30] <HostingGeek> brb
[08:30] <crimsun> HostingGeek: describe your problem, how it can be reproduced, any troubleshooting you've done, attach your conffiles and log files, etc.
[08:30] <fuflo> crimsun, well yes.. C.. how? :)
[08:30] <crimsun> fuflo: export LANG=C; export LC_ALL=C
[08:31] <fuflo> i need only synaptic in C
[08:31] <cutterjohn> thanks for the hoary info, now off to remove and re-configure monodevelop, or breakdown and use a package from an alternate repo...
[08:34] <GLoetmet> hey
[08:34] <looksaus> anyone running tomboy on hoary?
[08:35] <looksaus> if so, how?
[08:35] <GLoetmet> I've got 40 or 50 workstations.. is there any way to install linux on them automatically?
[08:35] <GLoetmet> and not being on every ws
[08:35] <GLoetmet> I mean.. install ubuntu on one workstation, and the same configuration applies to all the ws
[08:36] <JDahl> GLoetmet, you would have to compile your own customized .debs for configuration I think (at least I know sysadms that do it that way)
[08:36] <aethera> anyone here use win4lin on
[08:37] <aethera> ubuntu
[08:37] <Bader> hi
[08:37] <DaNewB> GLoetmet, ask a guru for this, but maybe netboot install can help?
[08:38] <crimsun> GLoetmet: FAI
[08:39] <HostingGeek> crimsun: i'll file to bug when i get up
[08:39] <GLoetmet> crimsun : FAI ?
[08:40] <looksaus> F??? Automated installer
[08:40] <DaNewB> GLoetmet, Fully Automatic Installation
[08:41] <Bader> did anyone know what noapic stands for ?
[08:41] <eyequeue> i have troubles with sound
[08:41] <DaNewB> GLoetmet, http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/
[08:41] <eyequeue> Bader: it's disabling the power management, i believe
[08:41] <thenuke> Bader: google it
[08:41] <GLoetmet> so can FAI work with Ubuntu ?
[08:41] <Bader> thenuke: I did it, I just wanted to understand.
[08:41] <eyequeue> what drivers do i need for a SoundMAX integrated "card" to work with ubuntu?
[08:41] <GLoetmet> or does it install a "fai distribution"
[08:42] <Durakus> is there anyone that knows about having windows and ubuntu on at the same time that can help me?
[08:42] <Li\Sou> hey everybody
[08:42] <Bader> eyequeue: disabling acpi ?
[08:42] <Li\Sou> i need a little help with backing up my linux
[08:42] <eyequeue> Bader: er, acpi or apic? i read you as no acpi, but you said no apic, sorry
[08:42] <thully> does anybody know of a hoary snapshot (preferably from the last week) which works well for install?
[08:42] <ermo> GLoetmet, <quote>FAI uses the Debian distribution and a collection of shell- and Perl-scripts for the installation process</quote>
[08:43] <GLoetmet> uhm
[08:43] <Bader> eyequeue: noapic, it's related to some acpi stuff I think
[08:43] <ermo> GLoetmet, you may be aware that ubuntu is debian-based
[08:43] <crimsun> Bader: 'noapic' disable the apic.
[08:43] <Li\Sou> i want to take a snapshot of my disk and entire distro. anyone know of a good program for that? could this snapshot be loaded in from a network connection if i have to go back to that snapshot?
[08:43] <GLoetmet> ermo : yes.. ubuntu is debian-based, but debian doesn't recognize anything by default
[08:43] <Bader> thully: why didn't you simply dist-upgrade after install ?
[08:43] <Bader> crimsun: clever :)
[08:43] <Durakus> I put ubuntu on a seperate hardrive to try it out. and the dual boot window when i start up doesn't show up so i can select what i want to use. also i tried to change the boot prioritiy in the bios so that the harddrive with windows on it would boot up first and it wouldn't
[08:44] <crimsun> Bader: it is orthogonal to the various '*acpi*' parameters.
[08:44] <crimsun> Bader: new systems have an i/o apic and a local cpu apic.
[08:44] <thully> because it would be quicker to download an ISO - i have access to windows machines where I could download the ISO, while I would have to use slower wi-fi for dist-upgrade.
[08:44] <eyequeue> Durakus: personally i would adjust those via grub (/boot/grub/*)
[08:44] <crimsun> Bader: there is a 'nolapic' parameter, too.
[08:44] <Durakus> how do i do that
[08:44] <thully> Also, I want everything from Hoary's preconfig to be how it was intended
[08:44] <Durakus> can you talk me through it?
[08:44] <Bader> crimsun: ok, so it won't degrade my acpi support ?
[08:45] <eyequeue> Durakus: the text editor of your choice?  vim, nano, whatever
[08:45] <Durakus> text editor?
[08:45] <crimsun> Bader: no. Sometimes the parameter is necessary because various motherboard manufacturers release shoddy hardware.
[08:45] <Durakus> you mean terminal?
[08:46] <Bader> and another question, how repair an ubuntu installation, by e.g.: a stupid user do a rm -rf /etc/X11 (it's me), how can I restore all /etc/X11 configuration ?
[08:46] <eyequeue> Durakus: no, i mean the application you use (perhaps *in* a terminal) to edit text files
[08:46] <Bader> dpkg-reconfigure all ?
[08:46] <Durakus> oh not sure it just pops up when i put in the comand in terminal
[08:46] <Durakus> got it
[08:46] <Durakus> text editor
[08:47] <captain_ron> what are you going to use? I use gedit
[08:47] <eyequeue> Bader: it's not a matter of reconfiguring, you've eliminated files, they are gone now.  apt-get --reinstall install package1 package2 packageN  may be what you want
[08:48] <eyequeue> Bader: basically anything that put any file or symlink under /etc/X11 during installation
[08:48] <Durakus> k i got it open what do i do now?
[08:48] <ermo> GLoetmet, as far as I can tell, fai is available in ubuntu '
[08:48] <ermo> universe'
[08:49] <ermo> GLoetmet, I haven't tried it, but it seems that it's just a framework employing a debianized package-tree. And as such, I would expect it to work with ubuntu?
[08:49] <mam> hi the ubuntu way of dealing with .../ip-up.d/firestarter is just as debian ?
[08:50] <brian_> hey
[08:50] <chancel> nas
[08:50] <eyequeue> can anyone advise me what drivers i need for a SoundMAX integrated "card" support in ubuntu please?
[08:51] <brian_> how much of a performance increase can i expect with switching from a 386 imaage to a 686?
[08:51] <aethera> not a soundmax again :(
[08:51] <randabis> negligible performance increase at best
[08:51] <looksaus> eyequeue, doesn't it work?
[08:51] <aethera> those soundcards suck on windows aswell
[08:51] <brian_> ok anyways i want the latest kernel so how would i go about installing it with synaptic
[08:51] <looksaus> eyequeue, are you running ubuntu already?
[08:52] <eyequeue> looksaus: i have no sound automatically, if you mean that
[08:52] <brian_> install the newer one then uninstalll old one?
[08:52] <crimsun> brian_: install linux-686
[08:52] <crimsun> brian_: then reboot
[08:52] <eyequeue> aethera: this is the "card" onboard the laptop, don't have much choice, eh
[08:52] <brian_> ok
[08:53] <eyequeue> looksaus: yes, i've been on ubuntu a few weeks, just now getting around to dealing with the annoyanc of being soundless (was in hospital)
[08:53] <randabis> will linux-686 do restricted modules too?
[08:53] <brian_> oh i need that package with restricted modules? i thought just the images
[08:53] <looksaus> eyequeue, you may want to look at Computer(?->I'm using another language) -> Administration -> Device Manager
[08:53] <looksaus> and see if anything in there looks like a sound card
[08:53] <crimsun> randabis: yes.
[08:54] <randabis> good
[08:54] <looksaus> you might also want to double check your sound isn't muted
[08:54] <brian_> do i need that restricted modules package?
[08:54] <crimsun> brian_: no, you don't _need_ it unless you need binary-only modules provided by linux-restricted-modules-foo
[08:54] <micahf> guys, I'm moving to mandrake
[08:54] <eyequeue> looksaus: Computer > System Administration > Device Manager :)  that has always scared me, quite full of technical things, i was hoping to just modprobe, heheheh
[08:54] <brian_> arright
[08:54] <brian_> so basically extra drivers?
[08:54] <randabis> micahf blasphemy!
[08:54] <crimsun> micahf: that's great, have a good time.
[08:55] <ernesto_> Hello all, is there a way to reset the root password?
[08:55] <micahf> sorry, but I just can't install
[08:55] <randabis> have fun in dependency hell :p
[08:55] <crimsun> ernesto_: sudo -s
[08:55] <mam> ok in fact it's write in /etc/ppp/ip-up.local
[08:55] <micahf> but it doesn't work!?!
[08:55] <crimsun> ernesto_: then: passwd
[08:55] <micahf> wait, mandrake has a package manager too right?
[08:55] <micahf> I mean, why wouldn't it
[08:55] <brian_> no its got something that claims to be one
[08:55] <crimsun> micahf: rpm. You'll want to use urpmi, probably.
[08:56] <brian_> :P
[08:56] <micahf> haha
[08:56] <micahf> rpm uses files huh
[08:56] <micahf> .rpm files
[08:56] <micahf> thats wack
[08:56] <brian_> i had lotsa problem installing stuff in mandrake but i found plf and norlug repos useful
[08:56] <micahf> well I can always just find a new package manager
[08:56] <eyequeue> looksaus: there's something in there that talks about audio, but nothing configurable, just a bunch of low-level strings
[08:57] <randabis> there's a synaptic for rpm I believe
[08:57] <crimsun> eyequeue: what's the issue with sound?
[08:57] <micahf> well if someone can tell me why ubuntu install disc freezes...
[08:58] <micahf> it starts but I can't use the keyboard on the blue screen
[08:58] <micahf> I should test to see if it is actually frozen, or just the keyboard doesn't work
[08:58] <brian_> oo wut would happen if i install this hoary kernel image (2.6.9)?
[08:58] <icerogue> Hi all
[08:59] <randabis> there's a hoary linux image 2.6.10...
[08:59] <ernesto_> crimson: why am I supposed to override root and impersonate it with sudo -s, I mean it's cool it worked for me this time because I forgot the root password, but are all linux'es like these?, or is it ubuntu that has it's security settings lightened up?
[08:59] <crimsun> the restricted modules aren't synced for 2.6.10
[08:59] <randabis> I don't know about mixing warty and hoary though
[08:59] <eyequeue> crimsun: "silence" here :)
[09:00] <crimsun> eyequeue: does /proc/asound/cards list your card? (don't paste)
[09:00] <eyequeue> crimsun: i have an on-board SoundMAX on this laptop, and don't know what to modprobe
[09:00] <micahf> are there update discs for hoary --> warty?
[09:00] <brian_> i dont have 2 6 10 well i only added universe hoary ne ways
[09:00] <micahf> because maybe I can get the 'hoary' install disc to work
[09:00] <icerogue> Hey what mail server would you recomend?
[09:00] <ernesto_> crimsum: why am I supposed to override root and impersonate it with sudo -s, I mean it's cool it worked for me this time because I forgot the root password, but are all linux'es like these?, or is it ubuntu that has it's security settings lightened up?
[09:00] <ernesto_> (sorry I mispelled your nickname :d)
[09:01] <crimsun> micahf: that would be a downgrade.
[09:01] <crimsun> marcin_ant: Hoary is, when released, 6 months newer than Warty.
[09:01] <crimsun> what the
[09:01] <mindphasr> ernesto_: The security is not lightened up..the root account is disabled for security reasons. Your username is in the root group so you dont have to ever be logged in as root.
[09:01] <Bader> is there an automatic way of configuration for widescreen (15"4 pouce) laptop screens ?
[09:02] <Bader> because I don't have any modelines specs about them in any manual...
[09:02] <crimsun> eyequeue: "soundmax?" is it pci or isa?
[09:02] <ernesto_> mindphasr: but that means that anyone that logs in my computer can be root and do whatever they want, right?
[09:02] <eyequeue> crimsun: i'm unsure :/  if 82801DB-ICH4 is a sound card, then yes (it does list a modem, oddly)
[09:02] <mindphasr> ernesto_: No, it means if they log into your user they can
[09:03] <crimsun> eyequeue: then you need to use snd-intel8x0
[09:03] <ernesto_> mindphasr: and then type sudo -s and become root
[09:03] <crimsun> eyequeue: NOT snd-intel8x0m
[09:03] <brian_> no they need to know ur password for ur user first
[09:03] <micahf> oh
[09:03] <eyequeue> crimsun: this is the onboard sound "card" integrated in a laptop
[09:03] <micahf> I see
[09:03] <micahf> hoary is the new one
[09:03] <micahf> whats the old one
[09:03] <crimsun> eyequeue: dell laptop?
[09:03] <micahf> before warty
[09:03] <ernesto_> mindphasr: I understand, thanks!
[09:03] <micahf> and why do they have such names?
[09:03] <eyequeue> crimsun: gateway
[09:03] <mindphasr> ernesto_: They need to know your password.  The whole point of it is so there is no root account vulnerable
[09:03] <mindphasr> np
[09:03] <crimsun> eyequeue: try `sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0'
[09:03] <brian_> warty was the first
[09:04] <crimsun> eyequeue: actually, check if it's already loaded.
[09:04] <ernesto_> the root account will be vulnerable only if they know my username/password
[09:04] <micahf> so it started out on version 4.1?
[09:04] <crimsun> eyequeue: lsmod |grep ^snd_intel8x0
[09:04] <crimsun> micahf: 4.10
[09:04] <crimsun> micahf: year.month
[09:04] <micahf> ahhhh
[09:04] <micahf> I see
[09:04] <looksaus> damn, crimsun, you type fast, was going to say exactly the same about lsmod|grep...
[09:04] <micahf> haha
[09:04] <micahf> I am not used to that format
[09:05] <micahf> being in the US
[09:05] <micahf> so I thought it was a version number
[09:05] <xav_> what do I need to have the gnome cpufreq applet working?
[09:05] <crimsun> (it is a version number)
[09:05] <micahf> ok yea its a version number, but not standard 1.0
[09:05] <micahf> 2.0
[09:05] <micahf> 3.0
[09:05] <xav_> it tells me that cpu frequency scaling is unsupported
[09:06] <micahf> you know what I mean
[09:06] <eyequeue> crimsun: both 8x0 and 8x0m ... a lot of snd loaded, lsmod | grep snd | wc -l  gives 10
[09:06] <xav_> my machine may be misconfigured or I don't have hw support for cpu freq scaling
[09:06] <randabis> check your volume?
[09:06] <eyequeue> randabis: heh, done :)
[09:06] <Bader> after my first boot on my new laptop, the mouse don't work and XFree86 don't work correctly, if I disable my mouse then even my keyboard don't work...
[09:07] <looksaus> eyequeue, so do you get sound now?
[09:07] <eyequeue> looksaus: no, i've made no changes, just done examination steps so far
[09:07] <Bader> I think it could be fixed, but it worry me a lot.
[09:08] <randabis> eyequeue has you checked which device the mixer is using?
[09:08] <eyequeue> i'm somewhat shocked that i alreadys had the drivers loaded though
[09:08] <crimsun> eyequeue: two things to try. 1) sudo modprobe -r snd-intel8x0m snd-intel8x0 && sudo insmod snd-intel8x0
[09:08] <xav_> no cpufreq interface found. I don't understand
[09:08] <eyequeue> randabis: i'm no sound guy, i don't really know what a mixer is
[09:08] <randabis> eyequeue in the volume control thingy
[09:09] <randabis> File --> Change device
[09:09] <randabis> if there are more than one, try them all
[09:10] <micahf> does anyone know of any open source downloaders that support multiple connections?
[09:10] <brian_> d4x
[09:10] <micahf> because I could really use one to download these isos
[09:10] <Durakus> how do i log in as root so i can make a readonly file editable?
[09:10] <brian_> (downloader4X)
[09:11] <JDahl> micahf, like bittorrent?
[09:11] <eyequeue> crimsun: to the first: FATAL: Module snd_intel8x0m is in use.
[09:11] <brian_> go into root terminal and type nautilus
[09:11] <micahf> yea but thats too many connections
[09:11] <micahf> I'm talking about multiple server connections
[09:11] <micahf> my modem gets burnt out on BT
[09:11] <crimsun> eyequeue: what model gateway?
[09:12] <brian_> whoopssies
[09:12] <micahf> do you think d4x will compile on a mac?
[09:13] <micahf> looks like it won't
[09:13] <micahf> hmmm
[09:13] <brian_> aya!
[09:13] <brian_> thought ubuntu
[09:13] <micahf> no I'm trying to download ubuntu
[09:13] <micahf> on a mac
[09:13] <brian_> i just noticed that
[09:13] <brian_> -_-
[09:13] <micahf> speed downloader costs money
[09:13] <micahf> LD
[09:13] <micahf> :D
[09:13] <micahf> *
[09:14] <eyequeue> crimsun: 4530GZ
[09:14] <eyequeue> crimsun: new late summer (norhter hemisphere) apparently
[09:14] <kotau> how to install an .rpm file (ATI catalyst drivers)
[09:15] <brian_> omg so hard to find a downloader for mac in google, id just go download.com
[09:15] <crimsun> kotau: they're already included in 'linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)'
[09:16] <spiral> crimsun: so, when ati will release their new driver...
[09:16] <brian_> what does $(uname -r) mean?
[09:16] <t325> micahf: on mac use curl, it's like wget, textmode utiliy for dling (you use it in a text terminal)
[09:16] <spiral> brian_: you kernel revision
[09:16] <Durakus> k i need some help i'm in /boot/grub/menu.lst and I wanna make it so i have a choice to boot up windows or ubuntu. how do i do it?
[09:16] <brian_> oo ic lotsa people used that on me im like ???
[09:16] <spiral> crimsun: this will be included in an update for restricted-modules ?
[09:16] <gioeleb> re
[09:16] <spiral> crimsun: and all I'll have to do is patch my xorg.conf ?
[09:17] <crimsun> spiral: aren't you already using an ati card with fglrx?
[09:17] <spiral> crimsun: hmmm... as this doesn't work with xorg 6.8.1, no... I'm on hoary...
[09:17] <spiral> so fglrx isn't enabled in my xorg.conf
[09:17] <crimsun> eyequeue: try rebooting with "acpi_isa_irq=7" on the kernel command line
[09:18] <Durakus> can someone please help me I'm totally lost
[09:18] <crimsun> ah, you're using hoary.
[09:18] <crimsun> spiral: yes. that's it.
[09:18] <spiral> crimsun: nice ! I hope they will release their drivers so :-p I wanna play tuxracer :-p
[09:18] <eyequeue> crimsun: i'll be back in a couple minutes with that then :)  thanks for the time you've invested so far
[09:19] <Durakus> k i need some help i'm in /boot/grub/menu.lst and I wanna make it so i have a choice to boot up windows or ubuntu. how do i do edit the menu.lst to do that?
[09:19] <neighborlee> Durakus, Illl PM you as doing so in here would be flooding
[09:19] <Durakus> k
[09:19] <Durakus> ty
[09:20] <neighborlee> np
[09:20] <sanzky> hi, how can i install kernel sources using apt ?
[09:20] <kotau> So... if the drivers are inc. in restricted-modules, and I just upgraded to hoary, then the latest ATI drivers are installed?
[09:21] <jatos> where would be the best palce for help on webadmin?
[09:22] <crimsun> sanzky: make sure the source repo for main is uncommented.
[09:22] <crimsun> sanzky: in other words, just install 'linux-source-2.6.8.1' if you're using Warty
[09:23] <sanzky> thanks crimsun
[09:24] <Ex-Cyber> well, that was probably the least painful Linux install I've ever done :)
[09:24] <randabis> it doesn't extract the source though, you'll have to go into /usr/src and extract it
[09:26] <aethera> Ex-Cyber: have you installed mandrake or fedora yet?
[09:27] <Ex-Cyber> aethera: I installed Mandrake back when it was 8.x I think
[09:27] <aethera> well than you cant say it was the least painfull intall
[09:27] <invictus> does ubuntu have any command to add or remove programs from the bootup?
[09:27] <aethera> caus eI find gentoo install easy aswell
[09:27] <Ex-Cyber> aethera: I said it's the least painful I've done
[09:28] <aethera> rc-up:>
[09:28] <aethera> np
[09:28] <eyequeue> crimsun: still silence
[09:28] <randabis> I wish I could get ecasound to install
[09:28] <crimsun> randabis: why can't you?
[09:28] <crimsun> eyequeue: lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0m
[09:28] <randabis> keep getting an error about python >2.4 needed...I have both 2.4 and 2.3
[09:28] <Ex-Cyber> anyway, the problem I have now is that X is eating my CPU for lunch even though accel and DRI are supposedly enabled and I see no errors in XFree86.log.0
[09:29] <spiral> hmmm... is somebody pro with centrino there ?
[09:29] <spiral> I'dd like to understand why mine doesn't wanna speedstep
[09:29] <aethera> Ex-Cyber: what cpu is it
[09:30] <Ex-Cyber> aethera: Athlon XP 1800+
[09:30] <aethera> what apps do you have open
[09:30] <crimsun> randabis: are you using hoary?
[09:30] <kent> Is there any one here using Hoary that also have gotten debian-specific gdm-themes installed? I just saw it now.
[09:30] <randabis> yessir
[09:30] <gioeleb> ok, now I run a full hoary ubuntu. how do I install kde?
[09:30] <crimsun> randabis: sec.
[09:30] <randabis> okay
[09:31] <eyequeue> crimsun: snd_intel8x0m          18212  2
[09:31] <les_> I have 3 linux boxes: 1 fc2, 1 fc3 and ubuntu.  I can ssh from ubuntu to other linux boxes but not the other way.  Any hints?
[09:31] <Ex-Cyber> aethera: perhaps I should be more clear; the CPU usage is what I would expect from a non-accelerated display (vesa, et. al.), it's not pegged at 100% or anything
[09:31] <brian_> will the new kernel image list itself in grub?
[09:32] <crimsun> eyequeue: looks like you need to blacklist it. `echo snd-intel8x0m|sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist'
[09:32] <re-mind_> Hello :) could anybody tell me if it is possible to use 32-bit programs in the 64-bit version of ubuntu?
[09:32] <crimsun> eyequeue: then reboot, and things should work.
[09:32] <xiximkopp> is there any progress on usplash?
[09:32] <crimsun> randabis: it's a simple version conflict; one of the devs needs to trigger an update for it. I've asked.
[09:32] <t325> Does any1 have an answer to invictus' question (does ubuntu have any command to add or remove programs from the bootup?) Is there any gnome utlity equivalent to ksysv?
[09:32] <Ex-Cyber> but doing anything at all loads it quite a bit... with just a terminal window watching top output and moving the mouse around (not even over anything that highlights, just the root window) I can get X over 10%... and very conservative window-dragging pushes it over 50%
[09:33] <randabis> crimsun thanks, much appreciated :)
[09:33] <|D|> les_: u dont have the openssh server installed by default in ubuntu
[09:33] <les_> i installed the server/client
[09:33] <Ex-Cyber> I can't use type-ahead find in Firefox because it drops letters
[09:33] <eyequeue> crimsun: okay, it's at the end of that list now
[09:33] <Riddell> gioeleb: use the universe repository and apt-get install kde-core, kde 3.2 in warty, 3.3.2 in hoary
[09:33] <randabis> brian_ when you install a new kernel image, update-grub is usually triggered so your grub will be updated
[09:34] <eyequeue> crimsun: reboot *without* that *irq=7 parameter?
[09:34] <|D|> les_: i think u need to install openssh-server
[09:34] <eyequeue> crimsun: what's so problematic about that driver btw?
[09:34] <les_> it is installed
[09:34] <crimsun> eyequeue: yes, try without.
[09:34] <crimsun> eyequeue: if it still doesn't work, readd it.
[09:34] <Ex-Cyber> so basically XFree86 claims acceleration is enabled, but acts like it's not
[09:34] <eyequeue> crimsun: brb then
[09:34] <crimsun> eyequeue: readd the acpi parameter, that is.
[09:36] <brian_> ok i have the new kernel image installed do i reboot and switcth to that kernel in grub?
[09:36] <crimsun> brian_: yes.
[09:37] <brian_> k
[09:37] <gioeleb> thanks Riddel
[09:37] <les_> my firewall rule is to accept all connections for lan
[09:38] <|D|> les_: did u check http://ubuntuguide.org/#sshserver
[09:38] <Ex-Cyber> so what could cause XFree86 to slow down to unaccelerated levels aside from acceleration being disabled?
[09:39] <marcin_ant> what is an rpm -qpl equivalent in debian?
[09:39] <marcin_ant> I would like to list files in dpkg
[09:40] <Ex-Cyber> interestingly enough my glxgears rate is completely normal
[09:40] <Ex-Cyber> while dragging a terminal window eats half my CPU
[09:41] <les_> i did use the ubuntuguide but no joy connecting from either fc2 or fc3 to ubuntu
[09:41] <|D|> les_: can other services pass through the firewall
[09:42] <|D|> les_:can u telnet/ftp/etc to the ubuntu box from the others?
[09:43] <les_> checking
[09:43] <eyequeue> crimsun: still silent
[09:44] <eyequeue> crimsun: it did successfully prevent that from module from loading
[09:45] <eyequeue> is "m" perhaps the centrino side of things?
[09:45] <les_> negative; only ping and this after stopping firewall
[09:46] <|D|> les_ : then it probably is the firewall blocking things
[09:46] <|D|> try it with the firewall down
[09:47] <les_> thanks, ill check
[09:47] <crimsun> eyequeue: no, it's the modem module
[09:48] <eyequeue> am
[09:48] <gioeleb> is there a way to use kdm instead of gdm?
[09:48] <eyequeue> s/am/ah/
[09:48] <MortenL> hi! i just installed ubuntu, and during the installation i chose norwegian as the system language. now several programs are in sweedish and danish, the languages are pretty similar to norwegian, but i'd rather want the programs to be in english if a norwegian translation is'nt available. is there a way to fix this?
[09:48] <crimsun> eyequeue: and this is without acpi_isa_irq=7, correct?
[09:48] <ironwolf> gloeleb: apt-get install kde
[09:48] <eyequeue> crimsun: both without and now with
[09:49] <crimsun> eyequeue: does `aplay foo.wav' work correctly?
[09:49] <Riddell> gioeleb: apt-get install kdm
[09:49] <|D|> MortenL : sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:49] <ironwolf> in latest hoary, where did volume control go?  and will it come back?
[09:50] <crimsun> the applet or the application?
[09:50] <t325> i asked before how to have a button for ending sudo privileges; someone told me sudo -k; the problem is that it only works when done from the cmd line, the launcher I've made for doing it doesn't work, even with the option launch in a terminal; any clue?
[09:50] <eyequeue> crimsun: no error messages, but no sound either
[09:51] <crimsun> eyequeue: please paste the output of `amixer' onto pastebin.com
[09:51] <eyequeue> is that a channel here?
[09:51] <crimsun> eyequeue: no, it's a paste web site
[09:55] <eyequeue> crimsun: done, though it added php comments surrounding it, ignore those
[09:56] <ironwolf> anyone seeing volume control issues in latest hoary?
[09:56] <crimsun> eyequeue: your PCM channel is muted.
[09:56] <Ex-Cyber> I'm running Warty on an Athlon XP 1800+/512MB/Radeon 8500 system and 2D in X is extremely slow (3D is not) despite acceleration being enabled and no errors in the log... any idea how to go about diagnosing this?
[09:56] <eyequeue> not that i know what a pcm channel is, but how do i unmute it?
[09:57] <pipeline> PCM is regular digital audio.
[09:57] <eyequeue> i've been using Computer > Desktop Preferences > Sound
[09:58] <Xantics> evening people
[09:58] <Xantics> is there someone that can help me setup the real nvidia driver, instead of the nv driver, for gnome
[09:58] <Xantics> i tried using the binary driver howto, but i've ran into a few obstacles
[09:59] <drspin> Xantics: What were the obstacles?
[09:59] <Xantics> installing the named packages to begin with :/
[10:00] <Xantics> the site says: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:00] <Xantics> but it doesn't find that package anywhere
[10:00] <Xantics> Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:01] <Stew2> Xantics: Yeah. I got the nvidia drivers installed. They rock.
[10:01] <ironwolf> found and fixed problem.  Thanks.
[10:01] <Stew2> There's a how-to... lemme see.
[10:01] <Xantics> k
[10:02] <Stew2> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[10:02] <Stew2> Xantics: it was really easy by using the website.
[10:02] <LinuxNIT-> how do you start SMB support?
[10:03] <drspin> could anyone help me make the EQ functions of XMMS work?
[10:03] <Quest-Master> Has anyone gotten VMWare on Ubuntu to work?
[10:03] <Xantics> Stew2: it says the same there as on the official site, and the packages they name can't be found by my apt-get :( that's my problem
[10:05] <drspin> Xantics: did you add the multiverse repository?
[10:06] <kakashi> hey
[10:06] <kakashi> u using UBUNTU???
[10:06] <Xantics> i don't think so? how do i do that?
[10:06] <kakashi> i think so
[10:06] <kakashi> :)
[10:07] <carambol> how i  close port (echo request) in forestarter
[10:07] <Xantics> drspin: how do i add that?
[10:07] <carambol> port 8 (icmp)
[10:07] <drspin> Xantics: hang on
[10:07] <Xantics> ok :)
[10:09] <hummm> hi. is there a package i need to install in order to have man pages for development stuff
[10:10] <JDahl> hummm, manpages-dev
[10:10] <eyequeue> i managed to figure out how to unmute pcm, and i've booted with and without acpi_isa_irq=7, but still silence
[10:10] <drspin> Xantics: go HERE :: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver :: READ ALL OF THE STEPS
[10:10] <carambol> Xantix: http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:10] <hummm> JDahl: thanks
[10:10] <Ex-Cyber> I'm running Warty on an Athlon XP 1800+/512MB/Radeon 8500 system and 2D in X is extremely slow (3D is not) despite acceleration being enabled and no errors in the log... any idea how to go about diagnosing this?
[10:10] <drspin> Xantics: including the one that describes how to add extra repositories...
[10:10] <crimsun> eyequeue: so as far as you know, things play, but you can't hear them, correct?
[10:11] <Xantics> drspin: ok cool, i'm going to read it right now
[10:11] <eyequeue> crimsun: that's probably an accurate assessment, since i get no error messages from aplay
[10:11] <eyequeue> and before you ask, no i'm not deaf, heh
[10:12] <brian_> hey i have wacom sources and kernel headers in what do i do now?!
[10:12] <crimsun> eyequeue: are you attempting to listen through line-out (headphones/speakers) or a coax?
[10:12] <bluefoxicy> you know what, it looks like /tmp file races can actually be protected against proactively
[10:12] <eyequeue> crimsun: no, the builtin speakers on the front of the laptop
[10:12] <bluefoxicy> and it shouldn't break existing software o_o
[10:13] <eyequeue> bluefoxicy: what's the trick?
[10:14] <drspin> the MAD plugin for XMMS doesn't support the XMMS EQ :(
[10:14] <drspin> or at least not on my box
[10:14] <bluefoxicy> eyequeue:  A process can't run (I don't think) with two effective UIDs at the same time (i.e. run as 2 users at once) and create files owned by different users, unless it's root owned and is retaining caps through user switches and doing it deliberately, right?
[10:15] <crimsun> drspin: should work fine for the mpg123 plugin as long as they're mp3s
[10:15] <bluefoxicy> eyequeue:  I just noticed in grsecurity that you can set Linking Restrictions to deny the following of symlinks in world-writable +t directories if the symlink is owned by another user, unless the symlink is owned by the same user who owns the directory
[10:15] <drspin> crimsun: it does now
[10:15] <drspin> crimsun: been trying for two days to make it work
[10:15] <bluefoxicy> eyequeue:  looks like spender had a trick to do it all along ;)
[10:15] <eyequeue> bluefoxicy: perhaps multiple users in a group that owns it?  unsure, just thinking aloud
[10:15] <drspin> crimsun: and no one had an aswer
[10:15] <crimsun> drspin: to get eq for vorbis & flacs, you probably want b-m-p
[10:15] <bluefoxicy> eyequeue:  no :)
[10:16] <drspin> crimsun: thanks
[10:16] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox ~ $ id
[10:16] <bluefoxicy> uid=1000(bluefox) gid=100(users) groups=10(wheel),11(floppy),18(audio),19(cdrom),35(games),80(cdrw),100(users),245(slocate),250(portage),1000(wine),1001(kernelhackers)
[10:16] <randabis> hmm
[10:16] <randabis> kde don't look so bad
[10:16] <bluefoxicy> eyequeue:  if a process create a directory, then a link, they'll both be owned by the same user.  :)
[10:17] <Riddell> randabis: we like to think so :)
[10:17] <brian_> hey i have wacom sources and kernel headers in what do i do now? :/
[10:17] <eyequeue> does a process have the same concept of group ownership that a file has?
[10:17] <michelp|ubu> hello, i have a beginner question, I have a .deb file that I downloaded, when I try to install it with dpkg -i it says it requires other packages, do I have to intall all of those by hand or is there a way to get apt-get to satisfy the dependencies in the file?  the package is hardware-monitor_1.2-1.1ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[10:17] <brian_> ./configuire  make  make install?
[10:18] <spiral> anyone here on ubuntu hoary with a centrino correctly speedsted who could show me his /proc/cpuinfo ?
[10:18] <michelp|ubu> BTW, ubuntu on the amd64 3400+: 50,000 pystones.  sweet ;)
[10:18] <eyequeue> michelp|ubu: now that it is installed but unconfigured, perhaps 'apt-get install -f' will fix dependencies?
[10:18] <spiral> speedsteped sorry
[10:18] <bluefoxicy> eyequeue:  processes and files have user/group
[10:18] <bluefoxicy> eyequeue:  they're separate concepts
[10:18] <brian_> right click properties*
[10:19] <TreadingSoftly> hi HostingGeek (and others). In an attempt to get Screem working I tried apt-get -purge screem and apt-get -install screem. But Screem still crashes shortly after startup. But I did notice an odd message concerning Scribus when apt was installing screem:Setting up screem (0.10.2-1ubuntu2) ...
[10:19] <TreadingSoftly> File '/usr/share/applications/scribus.desktop' contains invalid MIME type 'scd,scd.gz,sla,sla.gz' that contains invalid characters
[10:19] <bluefoxicy> eyequeue:  a group isn't literally a group of users; it's an entity that users just happen to be associated with.
[10:19] <eyequeue> bluefoxicy: an important distinction, thanks
[10:19] <TreadingSoftly> Now I do have Scribus installed. Could there be some connection between this and Screem crashing?
[10:19] <brian_> ok ill dumb my question down, how do i install a module from source?
[10:20] <kent> TreadingSoftly, does it crash all the time, or just some times?  for me it crash 'some times', but i think thats becaus screem is buggy..
[10:21] <eyequeue> brian_: something to do with module-assistant ?
[10:21] <brian_> oh ill try that tool
[10:21] <TreadingSoftly> Hi Kent... it crashes as soon as it starts every time. Quanta also crashes sometimes, but less frequently.
[10:22] <TreadingSoftly> Kent are you running Warty or Hoary?
[10:22] <TreadingSoftly> (More specifically it seems to crash soon as I try and close the Tip of the Day.
[10:23] <eyequeue> what exactly is the naming convention for releases? Alliterative Critters? :)
[10:23] <brian_> module assistant doesnt list my wacom
[10:24] <brian_> synaptic installed the wacom source in /usr/src
[10:24] <micahf> is there only one version of the ubuntu install cd?
[10:24] <micahf> that is stable?
[10:25] <micahf> because I would like to try another if there is one
[10:25] <TreadingSoftly> the rest of the system, incidently, like OpenOffice and Gimp seem stable enough ,,, so i'm not sure why i'm having trouble with HTML editors
[10:25] <micahf> otherwise I will have to search long and hard for another linux that comes on one CD
[10:25] <Xantics> drspin: you rock, tnx :)
[10:25] <eyequeue> micahf: one install, one livecd, iirc
[10:25] <micahf> arg
[10:25] <micahf> do you know of any other linux that comes on one cd?
[10:26] <TreadingSoftly> knoppix
[10:26] <micahf> but I don't think it works on mac
[10:26] <micahf> and it doesn't install does it
[10:26] <eyequeue> micahf: knoppix is popular, and has variants even
[10:26] <Xantics> ok, i'm out, gotta restart X
[10:26] <Xantics> latez
[10:26] <eyequeue> micahf: kanotix?
[10:26] <Ex-Cyber> I'm running Warty on an Athlon XP 1800+/512MB/Radeon 8500 system and 2D in X is extremely slow (3D is not) despite acceleration being enabled and no errors in the log... any idea how to go about diagnosing this?
[10:27] <TreadingSoftly> you can install Knoppix (I haven't ...)
[10:27] <TreadingSoftly> might have to get the right CD though
[10:28] <micahf> maybe I'll try the gentoo live cd
[10:28] <crimsun> eyequeue: year.month, like I mentioned above.
[10:29] <eyequeue> crimsun: misdirect?
[10:29] <crimsun> no, just misunderstanding.
[10:29] <eyequeue> np
[10:29] <crimsun> thought you were referring to the version instead of the codename.
[10:29] <eyequeue> i do grok '410' btw
[10:30] <eyequeue> er, 4.10
[10:32] <Stew2> What do I need to do to install opengl-devel on Ubuntu warty?
[10:33] <aethera> anyone here user rar?
[10:33] <aethera> whats the apt for it
[10:33] <aethera> I need unrar command
[10:33] <buga> aethera: it's in universe, jusr apt-get install unrar
[10:33] <crimsun> Stew2: do you have xlibmesa-gl-dev, xlibmesa-glu-dev, and xlibosmesa-dev installed?
[10:35] <GammaRay> I'm having trouble detecting my burner w/ cdrecord --scanbus dev=ATAPI I have to add dev:ATAPI:/dev/hdc for it to work *but* most programs like k3b do not do that. Is there anyway to get it detected w/ the first command?
[10:35] <aethera> aptroot@epox:/home/jeanre/Torrents # apt-get install unrar
[10:35] <aethera> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:35] <aethera> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:35] <aethera> Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:35] <aethera> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:35] <aethera> is only available from another source
[10:35] <aethera> enabl: Package unrar has no installation candidate
[10:36] <crimsun> GammaRay: use -dev=/dev/hdc
[10:36] <eyequeue> aethera: try 'rar'
[10:36] <crimsun> GammaRay: that's the preferred method for ATAPI burners in 2.6
[10:36] <aethera> same
[10:37] <eyequeue> aethera: do you have universe in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[10:37] <GammaRay> crimsun: that works and I've done that but how do I get k3b to do that? or gnomebaker?
[10:37] <crimsun> GammaRay: configure it in the preferences.
[10:37] <aethera> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:37] <aethera> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:39] <buga> GammaRay: if you make a symlink /dev/hdc -> /dev/cdrom, k3b will find it
[10:39] <eyequeue> aethera: correction, multiverse rather than universe
[10:39] <aethera> eyequeue: can you paste your deb entries for multiverse?
[10:40] <GammaRay> buga: I do, and it seems to find it as a reader but not a writer
[10:41] <eyequeue> aethera: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty multiverse
[10:41] <gangalino> is there a synaptic entry for a general system upgrade for warty?
[10:42] <gangalino> I'm concerned about this specifically- https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/usn/usn-10-1/view?searchterm=XML
[10:42] <gangalino> Ubuntu Security Notice USN-10-1 October 28, 2004
[10:43] <crimsun> gangalino: yes, it's the security entry and is enabled by default.
[10:43] <crimsun> gangalino: all you need to have done is to update & upgrade.
[10:43] <eyequeue> gangalino: does your /etc/apt/sources.list contain this line? deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main
[10:45] <gangalino> it didn't, but it does now. thx. now how do I apply the upgrades? search for 'security'?
[10:46] <crimsun> < crimsun> gangalino: all you need to have done is to update & upgrade.
[10:46] <eyequeue> in synaptic, click the first three icons, or 'sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'
[10:46] <aethera> gangalino: apt-get upgrade
[10:48] <TheGorf> Greetings, would anyone have a moment to aide me in getting a SanDisk compact flash card reader working?  When it is attached, the system starts up and hangs on "Starting hotplug subsystem".  I am a bit lost at where to start on this.
[10:49] <Ex-Cyber> I'm running Warty on an Athlon XP 1800+/KT333/512MB/Radeon 8500 system and 2D in X is extremely slow (3D is not) despite acceleration being enabled and no errors in the log... any idea how to go about diagnosing this?
[10:50] <eyequeue> TheGorf: does it work if you hotplug it later, after boot completes?
[10:50] <TheGorf> Not that I can tell no
[10:51] <TheGorf> It should show up as a scsi device correct?
[10:51] <eyequeue> TheGorf: i dont have any useful ideas for you, sorry
[10:51] <jatos> where would I find the sheel script that starts the gui?
[10:52] <TheGorf> hmmm alrighty then... I shall battle forth alone.  ;-)
[10:52] <eyequeue> jatos: /etc/init.d/gdm
[10:52] <pyphreak> hi
[10:52] <jatos> can I safely edit so that default I end up in the console NOT gnome
[10:53] <eyequeue> jatos: i would just remove the symlink to that in /etc/rc2.d/
[10:53] <pyphreak> I gotta question...
[10:53] <HrdwrBoB> jatos: do what eyequeue said :)
[10:53] <jatos> ok
[10:53] <HrdwrBoB> sudo chmod -x /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm
[10:53] <HrdwrBoB> will do it
[10:53] <buga> GammaRay: this should be a permission problem.  can you try 'gksudo k3b' or similar?
[10:54] <pyphreak> what are thw minimum system requirements for ubuntu?
[10:54] <jatos> er wait
[10:54] <jatos> 32mb 1.8gb hd space
[10:54] <pyphreak> tnx
[10:54] <jatos> noyjimh jrtr sbout proccessor speed...
[10:54] <HrdwrBoB> pyphreak: realistically you would want to use at least a p3 class
[10:54] <pyphreak> oh, ok
[10:55] <jatos> theres suppose to be a custom install to knock it down to 350mb but I can't fidn it
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> you can use a P2
[10:55] <pyphreak> hmmm...
[10:55] <pyphreak> I got an old machine that does nothing right now, so I was thinking
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> but for real world use, I would recommednd 512 (256 would be ok though) ram and a p3 class or above processor
[10:55] <eyequeue> pyphreak: how old?
[10:56] <pyphreak> about putting ubuntu on there
[10:56] <pyphreak> too old, P1 ;)
[10:56] <eyequeue> pyphreak: the gui might overwhelm it
[10:56] <gangalino> HrdwrBob: that's an impressive handle.
[10:56] <pyphreak> hehe
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> gangalino: thankyou :)
[10:56] <pyphreak> well, just wanted to make sure...
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> pyphreak: P1 class is suitable mostly for binning :)
[10:57] <eyequeue> pyphreak: i've got a p100 runing debian, but without x11
[10:57] <jatos> whats the official way of removing a symlink?
[10:57] <HrdwrBoB> jatos: with rm
[10:57] <eyequeue> jatos: rm symlinkname :)
[10:57] <TheGorf> Without X, my server runs quite nicely on my P2 400 hosting DNS, WEB, mail, and SMB
[10:57] <gangalino> you sure you can fill those boots? I have some questions about a USB Microtek Backpack dvdrw
[10:57] <jatos> so could you give me an example of a share command to remove the symlink to the gui startup?
[10:58] <HrdwrBoB> heh, well technically my nick derived from a hardware store mascot, but I'll give it a shot
[10:58] <eyequeue> jatos: rm /etc/rc2.d/S99gdn
[10:58] <pyphreak> well, tnx guys!
[10:58] <pyphreak> ttyl
[10:58] <HrdwrBoB> jatos: with sudo
[10:58] <jatos> k thanks
[10:58] <eyequeue> jatos: slap a sudo in front of that of course
[10:58] <HrdwrBoB> sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm
[10:58] <jatos> let me just try that...
[10:59] <GammaRay> buga: you're right, it does work as root.
[10:59] <buga> what's the output of 'ls -l /dev/hdc' ?
[10:59] <GammaRay> brwxrwxrwx    1 root     cdrom     22,   0 2005-01-16 12:20 /dev/hdc
[10:59] <jatos> I presume to start the gui I type startx if not how do I start it?
[11:00] <lavigj_> just out of curiosity, how many people in here also run debian?
[11:00] <HrdwrBoB> lavigj: I run debian on my home box because I am too lazy to reinstall
[11:00] <wastrel> i have a debian system
[11:00] <buga> me too
[11:00] <jatos> I tryed it and I ran into too many problems I decided it was easy to just put on ubunti
[11:00] <eyequeue> jatos: per-user, yes, startx ... if you want gdm, then 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm' would work
[11:00] <jatos> *ubuntu
[11:00] <lavigj> HrdwrBoB: hehehe
[11:00] <alka_trash> hey all
[11:00] <jatos> ok
[11:00] <jatos> brb
[11:00] <HrdwrBoB> actually I have 30 ish debian systems at work
[11:01] <HrdwrBoB> I think
[11:01] <eyequeue> jatos: per-user, yes, startx ... if you want gdm, then 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start' would work (i left out start, lol)
[11:01] <TheGorf> HrdwrBoB: we were going to run Debian at work as well, but it had a terrible time with Dell raid controller drivers at the time.
[11:01] <alka_trash> does anyone know if I can clock a 333mhz AMD sempron to 266?
[11:01] <lavigj> HrdwrBoB: how's debian? I am liking ubuntu, but I would also like more flexibility in window managers and things like that. not that gnome breaks my heart... I am also interested in sarge and sid and how they compare to the unstable versions of ubuntu
[11:02] <GammaRay> alka_trash: check your figures (-; or your brand..
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> lavigj: on every system I have built or installed in the last 6 months, I have installed ubuntu
[11:02] <buga> GammaRay: permission of /dev/cdrom seems to be good. I did have similar problem with 2.6.8 kernel
[11:02] <alka_trash> GammaRay: figures?
[11:02] <wastrel> debian is jolly good.  i haven't tried the sarge installer but it's supposed to be much better.
[11:02] <lavigj> alka_trash: if you mean run the 333 fsb sempron at 266 - probably. I would research it first though if it is crucial
[11:02] <GammaRay> alka_trash: no such cpu as a 333MHZ sempron
[11:03] <buga> GammaRay: with 2.6.10 cd writing as user works again
[11:03] <randabis> bus speed...
[11:03] <lavigj> HrdwrBoB: ah, ok.
[11:03] <lavigj> HrdwrBoB: ubuntu is pretty nice...
[11:03] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[11:03] <HrdwrBoB> you can still play around with ubuntu
[11:03] <GammaRay> buga: I'm using the default kernel.. is .10 out?
[11:03] <wastrel> yeah i'm thinking of replacing gentoo with ubuntu on my desktop system
[11:03] <HrdwrBoB> GammaRay: yes
[11:04] <lavigj> wastrel: I am using instead of gentoo on my laptop since this thing is not a compiling power house.
[11:04] <aethera> hahaha gaim segment faulted
[11:04] <lavigj> HrdwrBoB: what do you mean play around?
[11:04] <HrdwrBoB> lavigj: I've done a lot of playing around in years past, I'm mostly over that and (for the majority of the time) I like things to Just Work
[11:04] <HrdwrBoB> installing different wms
[11:04] <GammaRay> my only "hesidency" in upgrading is I'll have to figure out grub now..
[11:04] <lavigj> HrdwrBoB: ah, ok.
[11:04] <HrdwrBoB> trying different apps/ways of doing thigns
[11:05] <buga> GammaRay: I don't know prepackaged kernels of ubuntu, I'm a noncomformist :)
[11:05] <HrdwrBoB> GammaRay: no you won't
[11:05] <lavigj> HrdwrBoB: other than the default window manager, are there many differences between debian and ubuntu?
[11:05] <wastrel> grub is a snap and ubu sets it all up for you anyway
[11:05] <eyequeue> GammaRay: did you have 2.6.8 on grub already?
[11:05] <HrdwrBoB> GammaRay: the package auto configures grub
[11:05] <wastrel> heh i was resistant to moving to grub from lilo too :] 
[11:05] <GammaRay> eyequeue: sure
[11:05] <alka_trash> GammaRay: sorry, My computer supports 2600+ athlon XP cpus at 266mhz fsb, ( this chip is out of production ) Sempron replaced XP,  the main difference is that semprom runs at 333 fsb.  I'm wondering if I can just buy a Semporn and clock the fsb to 266.  What do you think   ( has anyone done this )?
[11:05] <HrdwrBoB> lavigj: debian lacks the 'polish'
[11:05] <eyequeue> GammaRay: if so, run "update-grub" after you install the new key just a safety measure)rnel package (and that's probabl
[11:06] <eyequeue> wtf? :)
[11:06] <wastrel> does debian have a default WM?
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> alka_trash: the sempron memory controller is on the chip.
[11:06] <lavigj> HrdwrBoB: polish is not a bad thing.
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> lavigj: exactly
[11:06] <eyequeue> GammaRay: if so, run "update-grub" after you install the new kernel package (and that's probably just a safety measure)
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> eyequeue: it already dose
[11:06] <randabis> HrdwrBoB, only on the 3100+
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> GammaRay: simply apt-get or synaptic the package
[11:06] <alka_trash> HrdwrBoB: so it's not going to work?
[11:06] <eyequeue> HrdwrBoB: yeah, i thoughts so
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> and look at the output
[11:06] <randabis> the socket 754 sempron
[11:06] <spiral> is there a way to use gnome-volume-manager with konqueror on kde with hoary ?
[11:06] <lavigj> HrdwrBoB: thanks for the input... it is nice to just get an answer instead of "google it" or
[11:07] <lavigj> HrdwrBoB: "search the forums"
[11:07] <GammaRay> eyequeue: are we talking about a package in updates or the dev version?
[11:07] <HrdwrBoB> lavigj: I feel that's the spirit of ubuntu
[11:07] <HrdwrBoB> which is why I'm still here and don't so that so much :)
[11:07] <Riddell> spiral: no, it's hard coded to use nautilus for some reason
[11:07] <eyequeue> GammaRay: you can manually d/l the .10 pacakge, and then dpkg -i  it
[11:07] <bassinboy> pluged my camara in.... usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 2 ........... how can i mount it
[11:07] <Riddell> spiral: KDE 3.4 has HAL support, for KDE 3.3 you have to use system:/
[11:08] <lavigj> HrdwrBoB: :) I just have been trying to find a good 686 based package system.
[11:08] <spiral> Riddell: no 3.4 is coming in hoary for now I suppose ?
[11:08] <randabis> I like my gnome better :p
[11:08] <eyequeue> GammaRay: i *think* warty will stay at .8 for its lifespan
[11:08] <GammaRay> eyequeue: will that install along side of .8?
[11:08] <Riddell> spiral: not yet I'm afraid
[11:08] <lavigj> HrdwrBoB: on the other hand, ubuntu has been doing very well
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> eyequeue: stable does not change.
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> lavigj: 'optimised' packages for 686 are for the most part, a wank
[11:08] <eyequeue> GammaRay: yes, the .10 is the default here, both versions, and then the two .8 lines, in grub
[11:08] <spiral> Riddell: hmmm... under kde, I get gnome-volume-manager working... but this uses nautilus :-/
[11:09] <HrdwrBoB> the difference in performance is not statistically significant
[11:09] <lavigj> HrdwrBoB: hehehe, I suppose this is true. and I could just compile the few that might give me a boost like ffmpeg or mplayer. I must say, having no gui availble for mplayer with the default packages seems quite stupid
[11:09] <jatos2> thanks for that info - it worked
[11:09] <Riddell> spiral: yes, it only works with nautilus
[11:09] <eyequeue> GammaRay: i'm not positive if that's because grub reads version numbers or if it just figures later-installed-is-preferred
[11:09] <mindphasr> How do you get a directory with 'ftp'?
[11:09] <HrdwrBoB> lavigj: mplayer comes with the extensions already
[11:10] <eyequeue> mindphasr: it's been years .... -m ?
[11:10] <pisuke> linux image i686-4 is rebooting instead of shutting down. i386 was fine. I saw in the forums some people have the same problem. Is there a bug open?
[11:10] <spiral> Riddell: ok, thanks for the info :-p
[11:10] <eyequeue> mindphasr: mget ?
[11:10] <lavigj> HrdwrBoB: eh? everything I have found shows that mplayer doesn't have a gui with it unless you compile it yourself.
[11:10] <HrdwrBoB> pisuke: search at bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:10] <jatos2> now for my next trick is possible to modify my startup so that the system loads a network login?
[11:10] <HrdwrBoB> lavigj: I meant the accelerations, in any case, I despise mplayers gui :)
[11:10] <cavediver> What's the correct address to marillat repository so I can fetch mplayer for Ubuntu? I use A64 release.
[11:11] <jatos2> I have a ubuntu server
[11:11] <HrdwrBoB> cavediver: mplayer for ubuntu is actually in universe :)
[11:11] <cthulfuego> cavediver: There is no mplayer for amd64
[11:11] <HrdwrBoB> cavediver: add universe and multiverse
[11:11] <cthulfuego> cavediver: Not at marrilat anyway
[11:11] <cavediver> I'm gonna cry :(
[11:11] <lavigj> HrdwrBoB: ah, ok. it just seems silly not to have it since you access the gui through gmplayer
[11:11] <randabis> hmm...wonder why doom3 won't work...
[11:11] <Ex-Cyber> I know a couple of people who were put off by the whole "ubuntu" concept (one of them actually used the word "disturbing" o_O)... I don't know if it's a knee-jerk reaction against "hippy-like" thought or what, but it's kind of unfortunate
[11:11] <HrdwrBoB> randabis: goes glxgears work
[11:11] <crimsun> cavediver: donate an amd64 machine to me, and I'll happily build one.
[11:12] <randabis> yep
[11:12] <crimsun> cavediver: ;-)
[11:12] <randabis> 6259 fps over 5 seconds
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> Ex-Cyber: have they actually used it?
[11:12] <cavediver> crimsun: hehe :) I build my last week. Quite an Upswing compared to my Athlon 700 :=
[11:12] <bassinboy> hmm, my camera's compact flash isn't showing up
[11:12] <crimsun> stuNNed: did starting gmplayer from the menu work in a previous mplayer build?
[11:12] <HauntedUnix> When I was trying to get MP3 working in rythmnbox, there was a package I could apt-get install that covered a range of codecs, anyone caer to remidn me what it is?
[11:12] <eyequeue> Ex-Cyber: they would prefer AntisocialLinux ?
[11:12] <cavediver> my=mine
[11:12] <GammaRay> eyequeue: ubuntu.org ios acting strange... would you have a ftp url laying around?
[11:12] <Ex-Cyber> HrdwrBoB: nope
[11:12] <jatos2> oh why can't I get login as root?
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> Ex-Cyber: have they considered the alternative concepts?
[11:12] <bassinboy> dmesg usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 2
[11:12] <cavediver> jatos2: root is disbled by default
[11:13] <eyequeue> GammaRay: sorry, no, i've only used that http one
[11:13] <Ex-Cyber> eyequeue: that's what I'm wondering
[11:13] <crimsun> HauntedUnix: gstreamer0.8-plugins?
[11:13] <cavediver> jatos2: try sudo passwd and set a password for root.
[11:13] <jatos2> how do I enable it?
[11:13] <randabis> basically I open doom3, the screen goes black, and I end up having to CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[11:13] <crimsun> HauntedUnix: or are you referring to w32codecs?
[11:13] <HrdwrBoB> jatos2: you don't need to login as root
[11:13] <HauntedUnix> crimsun: not sure - I'll try both, thanks
[11:13] <HrdwrBoB> jatos2:http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[11:13] <jatos2> ok
[11:13] <jatos2> brb
[11:13] <lavigj> I need to figure out Xforwarding so I can play doom3 on my laptop. It would be great to use the beefiness of my desktop to play doom3 on my desktop
[11:14] <cavediver> I like poking around as root. However, sudo is a better solution in my opinion.
[11:14] <cthulfuego> And there is no mplayer in ubuntu amd64 either.
[11:14] <pisuke> HrdwrBoB, found it https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3549
[11:14] <GammaRay> eyequeue: http would do
[11:14] <wastrel> i need to figure out acpi so my laptop will suspend
[11:14] <crimsun> lavigj: how do you plan to plan to handle the indirect glx issues?
[11:14] <pisuke> same it's happening here
[11:14] <cavediver> Why is that. I want mplayer.. Well. I'll fetch Video LAN insted then.
[11:14] <lavigj> crimsun: heh, sounds like I found my first issue :)
[11:14] <randabis> opengl doesn't work in zsnes either...but it does work in supertux
[11:14] <eyequeue> GammaRay: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[11:15] <crimsun> lavigj: solve that problem, and you'll make a pile of money.
[11:15] <lavigj> crimsun: but that just wouldn't be in the opensource spirit ;)
[11:15] <HrdwrBoB> lavigj: in simple terms 'can't be done'
[11:15] <jatos2> you know when you login into ubuntu
[11:15] <eyequeue> wastrel: figure it out, then share the info, same here :)
[11:15] <jatos2> is that handled as shell script
[11:15] <lavigj> HrdwrBoB: yeah, when he went that far over my head I kinda gatered as much
[11:15] <crimsun> lavigj: as long as you make your changes freely available to the public, sure it is. ;)
[11:15] <HrdwrBoB> jatos2: what do you want to do
[11:15] <cavediver> I'm quite new to Ubuntu. Is no software updated between releases? Just security upgrades ?
[11:16] <jatos2> btw: in case you hadn't noticed I am fairly new linux
[11:16] <crimsun> cavediver: correct. 'stable' means "stable"
[11:16] <jdub> cavediver: otherwise it wouldn't be a stable, supportable release :)
[11:16] <jatos2> I want to change the way it logs in
[11:16] <HrdwrBoB> cavediver: once it's released, only major bug fixes/security updates are made
[11:16] <Ex-Cyber> lavigj: making money isn't really against the open-source spirit as long as you make the money for doing something and not just for having done something in the past...
[11:16] <eyequeue> cavediver: in the "stable" (meaning unchanging) release, correct.  updates happen daily in the development branch, known as hoary
[11:16] <leduc> hello
[11:16] <alberto> alguien q hable castellano?
[11:17] <cavediver> crimsun: ok. I'm thinking this is good.
[11:17] <leduc> i have some troubles with the sata detection
[11:17] <eyequeue> lo siento, pero no :)
[11:17] <alberto> ?
[11:17] <wastrel> alberto: #ubuntu-es ?
[11:17] <GammaRay> eyequeue: I'm having trouble finding the hoary packages
[11:17] <jaco> hi all
[11:17] <jaco> a question about webcam
[11:17] <Quest-Master> Hi ogra
[11:17] <lavigj> ah well, thanks for the input guys.
[11:17] <eyequeue> GammaRay: they're in pool, next to the warty packages
[11:17] <jaco> can i use gam to see the cam of my msn friends?
[11:17] <admin_> can someone tell me the debian equivalent of /etc/rc.local?
[11:17] <jatos2> anyway how is login login handled...
[11:18] <leduc> nobody had install ubuntu with sata hd ??
[11:18] <admin_> i want to run a firewall script at boot time
[11:18] <eyequeue> GammaRay: if you realy want to run a hoary system, change "warty" to "hoary" in sources.list
[11:18] <cavediver> admin_: /etc/rc.d
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> jaco: I don't beleive so, you can however use gnomemeeting
[11:18] <eyequeue> GammaRay: just be aware of the risks
[11:18] <jaco> gnomemeeting is msn compatible?
[11:18] <Ex-Cyber> I'm running Warty on an Athlon XP 1800+/KT333/512MB/Radeon 8500 system and 2D in X is extremely slow (3D is not) despite acceleration being enabled and no errors in the log... any idea how to go about diagnosing this?
[11:18] <eyequeue> admin_: man update-rc.d (that's the explanation)
[11:18] <admin_> eyequeue, tx!
[11:19] <eyequeue> np
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> eyequeue: go over the /var/log/XFree86.0.log file
[11:19] <alka_trash> anyone running an AMD 64?
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> eyequeue: or paste it into pastebin.com and I'll have a look for you
[11:19] <cthulfuego> alka_trash: Yes.
[11:19] <michelp|ubu> alka_trash, i am
[11:19] <alka_trash> how are they?
[11:19] <cavediver> alka_trash: yes I do.
[11:19] <eyequeue> HrdwrBoB: um, ME? :)
[11:19] <cavediver> alka_trash: they are fine ! :)
[11:19] <cthulfuego> alka_trash: Fast. very fast.
[11:19] <michelp|ubu> alka_trash, 50,000 pystones ;)
[11:19] <michelp|ubu> (python benchmark)
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> Ex-Cyber: I mean that for tyou
[11:20] <cavediver> Got my new 3000+ winchester last week.
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> eyequeue: Ex-Cyber even
[11:20] <eyequeue> heh
[11:20] <cavediver> Works flawledd with Ubuntu AMD64 release
[11:20] <GammaRay> eyequeue: here for example: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6/
[11:20] <alka_trash> hmmm, upgrade 1800XP to 2600+ or go all out and get  a AMD64, I can't decide.
[11:20] <GammaRay> eyequeue: I don't see .10
[11:20] <Ex-Cyber> HrdwrBoB: okay, just a sec... I didn't see anything wrong but it could be something fairly subtle
[11:21] <cthulfuego> alka_trash: Get a 64.
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> alka_trash: 2600 is a cheap stopgap
[11:21] <michelp|ubu> alka_trash, to compare my Celleron 2.4Ghz laptop gets 32K pystons, my 2.2Ghz 3400+ gets 50K
[11:21] <randabis> *sigh* I want my doom 3 :(
[11:21] <eyequeue> GammaRay: let me dig for you
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> alka_trash: but it's not a longer term solution
[11:21] <leduc> nobody can help me ?
[11:21] <cthulfuego> How does one pystone?
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> leduc: what is your SATA problem
[11:21] <michelp|ubu> python /usr/lib/python2.3/test/pystone.py
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> I have installed ubuntu on an SATA drive
[11:22] <cthulfuego> This machine benchmarks at 46296.3 pystones/second
[11:22] <cthulfuego> 1.8GHz 2800+
[11:22] <Quest-Master> Pystone(1.1) time for 50000 passes = 3
[11:22] <Quest-Master> This machine benchmarks at 16666.7 pystones/second
[11:22] <Quest-Master> Wow
[11:22] <Quest-Master> Mine's not that great
[11:22] <Quest-Master> :\
[11:23] <_Stefan_> python /usr/lib/python2.3/test/pystone.py
[11:23] <eyequeue> GammaRay: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-image-2.6.10-2-686_2.6.10-8_i386.deb
[11:23] <michelp|ubu> Quest-Master, if you have software scaling turned on your might have to run the benchmark a b uch of times to spool up your processor
[11:23] <_Stefan_> Pystone(1.1) time for 50000 passes = 1.35
[11:23] <_Stefan_> This machine benchmarks at 37037 pystones/second
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> This machine benchmarks at 34965 pystones/second
[11:23] <cthulfuego> My Athlox XP 2500+ 37037 pystones/second
[11:23] <cavediver> I funny bug I'm experiencing in FF is that in some cases i try to write in a search word in google and FF crashes. If I insted adding a space in front on the word, it's not. Anyone had this strange thing ?
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> ahah
[11:23] <cavediver> How do I run that benchmark ?
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> that's not a very good benchmark
[11:23] <_Stefan_> mine is an athlon xp 2600+
[11:23] <jbailey> G4 1ghz 19011.4 pystones/second =)
[11:23] <eyequeue> GammaRay: .debs are filed under sounce-pacakge name, which takes some getting used to
[11:23] <leduc> no detection sata by  ubuntu installation
[11:23] <michelp|ubu> python /usr/lib/python2.3/test/pystone.py
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> dual opteron 242 gets 4965 pystones/second
[11:23] <Quest-Master> michelp|ubu: How do you do that?
[11:24] <cthulfuego> _Stefan_: Same cpu speed as mine, higher fsb.
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> leduc: it's not detected at all?
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> leduc: what motherboard/card are you using
[11:24] <leduc> yep
[11:24] <cavediver> I got this: 39370.1
[11:24] <GammaRay> eyequeue: the folder name made me think they were source packages
[11:24] <leduc> intel 915P
[11:24] <eyequeue> GammaRay: yeah
[11:24] <cavediver> Does it measure cpu capacity only ?
[11:24] <_Stefan_> cthulfuego: mine is a barton, same fsb as yours
[11:24] <michelp|ubu> Quest-Master, add a cpu frequency apple to your panel and see if your proc speed changes dynamically
[11:25] <michelp|ubu> applet
[11:25] <GammaRay> eyequeue: hmm what's a .udeb?
[11:25] <cavediver> Btw, why aint this cool and quiet stuff working in ubuntu ?
[11:25] <leduc> normaly, the sata_via run, but ...
[11:25] <michelp|ubu> cavediver, yes, it's mostly a CPU/memory benchmark
[11:25] <cavediver> ok
[11:25] <eyequeue> GammaRay: "micro"deb, used by the installer, you won't want those
[11:25] <leduc> the sata_via module
[11:25] <cthulfuego> Try this one: "openssl speed rsa1024"
[11:25] <cavediver> Anyone with a 3000+/3200+ that can compare?
[11:26] <eyequeue> GammaRay: basically they don't need to follow the standard rules that a deb must, so ignore them :)
[11:26] <mz2> would anybody know if there's a way of changing the Applications and Computer menu names? or rather, taking out the text and putting icons in their place
[11:27] <cavediver> yes: This machine benchmarks at 40000 pystones/second
[11:27] <cavediver> :)
[11:27] <eyequeue> mz2: step one might be ... Applications > Run  and then "applications:///"
[11:27] <eyequeue> mz2: i can't do the rest though, but that's a start for you
[11:27] <TopDog> To quit X, I type init ?
[11:27] <Ex-Cyber> HrdwrBoB: http://www.pastebin.com/229696
[11:28] <eyequeue> TopDog: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, seems to be what you want
[11:28] <eyequeue> TopDog: there's no non-x runlevels in ubuntu (maybe 1 and 6, of course)
[11:28] <TopDog> eyequeue: Thanks, are installing Ubuntu in VMware, and need to kill X to install VMware tools.
[11:29] <mz2> eyequeue, what i meant with the menu names was actually changing those "Applications" and "Computer" strings, not editing what's in the menu
[11:29] <eyequeue> mz2: hmm, probably at some low-level gnome configuration that i don't know about
[11:30] <myster0n> Eh .... can someone help me with a ubuntu installation issue?
[11:30] <sobralense> Anyone knows? -> Always I boot my computer , have to "ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1" by hand, is there a way to get it automatically? like it had to , before I update to hoary was automatic =] 
[11:30] <eyequeue> myster0n: if you ask it, someone probably can :)
[11:30] <myster0n> due to an extra ide controller, my boot drive is not the first disk, but the fifth disk, but the ubuntu installer insists on installing grub on the first disk, and when I reboot after that ... nothing. Can this be configured during boot?
[11:30] <eyequeue> sobralense: /etc/network/interfaces
[11:31] <eyequeue> sobralense: be sure there's an "auto lo" line
[11:31] <sobralense> eyequeue, already did it, but it fail when /etc/init.d/network restart  =(
[11:31] <eyequeue> sobralense: i'm not on hoary, so i'm not familiar with the issue, sorry
[11:31] <sobralense> iface lo inet loopback
[11:31] <sobralense> auto lo
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> Ex-Cyber: looks 100%
[11:32] <sobralense> they're there =(
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> Ex-Cyber: what is your load average
[11:32] <sobralense> eyequeue, ok, thanks anyway
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> (run 'uptime'
[11:32] <eyequeue> sobralense: maaaaybe it needs the auto lo line first?  weird if so, but possible
[11:32] <ultrakorne> can someone give me some tips on why a module listed in /etc/hotplug/blacklist is loaded by hotplug
[11:32] <Ex-Cyber> HrdwrBoB: yeah, it's kinda surreal to be getting the best GL performance I've ever seen out of free drivers and bogged-down 2D with the same config :P
[11:33] <cthulfuego> ultrakorne: it may be required by another module, it may be loaded explicitly by another utility
[11:33] <sobralense> eyequeue, whats the other way to configure a network by some script? (just to make those commands clear)
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> Ex-Cyber: very strange, that log indicates that everything is 100%
[11:33] <GammaRay> doh.. forgot I'm gonna have to renew my nvidia-kernel package..
[11:33] <eyequeue> sobralense: i'm not sure, sorry
[11:33] <sobralense> eyequeue, not the "network-admin" by gnome =]  already tried..
[11:33] <sobralense> ok =] 
[11:34] <Ex-Cyber> HrdwrBoB: 1.38, 1.32, 1.37
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> Ex-Cyber: that's very high
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> are you doing stuff?
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> run 'top'
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> and have a look at what is using all your CPU
[11:34] <Ex-Cyber> HrdwrBoB: eh, forgot I had Sound Juicer running
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> ah ok
[11:35] <ultrakorne> cthulfuego, the dependency is not listed in lsmod, the module is battery, do you know what could be?
[11:36] <myster0n> little help? due to an extra ide controller, my boot drive is not the first disk, but the fifth disk, but the ubuntu installer insists on installing grub on the first disk, and when I reboot after that ... nothing. Can this be configured during boot?
[11:36] <myster0n> plz?
[11:36] <Ex-Cyber> HrdwrBoB: anyway I've played around with top and I'm getting exactly the sort of CPU usage I'd expect out of unaccelerated X
[11:36] <punkrockguy318> i'm getting errors when I try to install w32codecs:  Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:36] <punkrockguy318> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:36] <punkrockguy318> is only available from another source
[11:36] <punkrockguy318> E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[11:36] <spiral> punkrockguy318: have you got marillat source ?
[11:37] <eyequeue> myster0n: is there anything in /boot/grub that configures that?  i'm just guessing blindly
[11:37] <spiral> myster0n: grub-install options maybe ?
[11:37] <punkrockguy318> spiral, no?  where can I get it?
[11:37] <Ex-Cyber> HrdwrBoB: i.e. CPU cranks up to about 50% just dragging around a terminal window pretty conservatively
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> myster0n: yes
[11:37] <whahdf> Can someone help me?  I screewed up my GUI for linux
[11:37] <spiral> punkrockguy318: add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:37] <spiral> punkrockguy318: then apt-get update
[11:38] <eyequeue> whahdf: what did you do to it?
[11:38] <spiral> then apt-get w32codecs
[11:38] <whahdf> I'm not sure what you call tha, but I cannot use my interfase
[11:38] <arctick> is there any way i can mount an image (.bin, .cue) without burning it in linux?
[11:38] <spiral> punkrockguy318: apt-get install w32codecs sorry
[11:38] <HrdwrBoB> Ex-Cyber: how's your ram?
[11:38] <HrdwrBoB> (free -m)
[11:38] <whahdf> eyequeue, I installed some Xfree something or other (don't remember exactly) and it screwed things up
[11:38] <spiral> arctick: .iso is possible normally... don't know about .bin & .cue, but this shall maybe...
[11:38] <myster0n> this is all in the ncurses ubuntu install - after installing every package it asks to install grub in the MBR, but it's in the wrong place.
[11:38] <GammaRay> *very* cool --> lftp archive.ubuntu.com:/ubuntu/pool> find | grep nvidia
[11:38] <punkrockguy318> spiral, thanks
[11:38] <HrdwrBoB> arctick: you can use bchucnk to make it an iso to mount it
[11:39] <punkrockguy318> spiral, what is this malrat repo?
[11:39] <arctick> cool thanks, i just use 'mount' to mount an iso?
[11:39] <cavediver> How do i check auto-neg settings and change it on my netcards ?
[11:39] <spiral> punkrockguy318: a reposite containing codecs and things like this
[11:39] <Ex-Cyber> HrdwrBoB: physical ram is about full according to top, but I'm not swapping
[11:39] <spiral> arctick: yeah, maybe -loop or smth like that
[11:39] <punkrockguy318> spiral, why is w32codecs even in universe?
[11:39] <eyequeue> arctick: man mount, there's some "loop" options for local mounting
[11:40] <HrdwrBoB> arctick: sudo modprobe loop;sudo mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/point
[11:40] <whahdf> eyequeue: did you get my msg?
[11:40] <eyequeue> whahdf: no
[11:40] <eyequeue> whahdf: retry?
[11:40] <whahdf> eyequeue: not message, you asked what I did to it, I said
[11:40] <HrdwrBoB> myster0n: you can use grub-install /dev/hdd (or whatever)
[11:40] <whahdf> eyequeue, I installed some Xfree something or other (don't remember exactly) and it screwed things up
[11:41] <stuNNed_> what repo is 2.6.10 from hoary in?
[11:41] <eyequeue> whahdf: ah yes, i don't know what to advice you, hoping someone else will know
[11:41] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: the standard one
[11:41] <crimsun> stuNNed_: 'main'
[11:41] <arctick> great, now where do i get bchucnk?
[11:41] <whahdf> eyequeue, okay
[11:41] <eyequeue> stuNNed most likely "hoary"
[11:41] <spiral> punkrockguy318: don't know... maybe a part of it is working...
[11:41] <myster0n> ok
[11:41] <crimsun> arctick: hoary/universe
[11:41] <arctick> nvrmind, i found it, bchunk :)
[11:41] <major_payne> I just got a new printer, what is the best resource to read to learn how to set it up?
[11:41] <major_payne> it's a usb printer
[11:42] <Ex-Cyber> HrdwrBoB: any other ideas?
[11:42] <stuNNed_> thanks guys, let's see if alan cox's brilliant madness works out ok :D
[11:42] <stuNNed_> eh, not madness but just plain brilliance i guess :)
[11:44] <crimsun> major_payne: plug it in. :)
[11:44] <stuNNed_> what's the difference between a 386 kernel and 686 kernel in ubuntu?  any stability issues?
[11:44] <eyequeue> 386 is default since it should work for more people
[11:44] <stuNNed_> yeah, i'll stick with that, thanks eyequeue
[11:44] <eyequeue> 686 allows the use of additional instruction set that 386 does not
[11:44] <major_payne> crimsun: I did, should I restart so it detects it or is it all good?
[11:45] <crimsun> stuNNed_: different (optimised) routines, and the generated code is more efficient for that arch
[11:45] <crimsun> major_payne: does it show up as a printer?
[11:45] <major_payne> crimsun: I'm not shure where to look
[11:45] <stuNNed_> crimsun, ok but going from 386 to 686 increases instability in any way?
[11:46] <eyequeue> crimsun: any other ideas what to try here for my sound mystery?
[11:47] <eyequeue> stuNNed_: presuming your cpu is not deective (and at least a p2) then 686 should be stable and faster
[11:47] <zerokarmaleft> sup jackmacokc
[11:47] <eyequeue> deFective
[11:47] <sobralense> eyequeue, I fixed =), that's (I think) because I used the network-admin (by Gnome) to config. my wireless card, I was tired always do it by hand
[11:47] <jackmacokc> sup ho
[11:47] <jackmacokc> what was that about asserting my n00bness
[11:47] <eyequeue> ah :)
[11:48] <sobralense> eyequeue, the "lo" problem was "auto lo" should be up.. and the "eth0" and "wlan0" prob. was because they should have "static" if are statics address and not dhcp =] 
[11:48] <crimsun> eyequeue: do you have any messages in `dmesg' pertaining to sound?
[11:48] <Ex-Cyber> is fglrx still unstable?
[11:48] <eyequeue> crimsun: great idea, i'll check
[11:48] <sobralense> eyequeue, should be like this: iface eth0 inet static  =] 
[11:48] <stuNNed_> eyequeue, ok i'll install both and try out 686
[11:48] <jackmacokc> i'm having a problem getting my sound setup, i have 2 sound cards - its picking up one, but not the other - but neither work. any ideas?
[11:49] <crimsun> jackmacokc: which two cards?
[11:49] <jackmacokc> the first is the onboard dell (intel) and the second is a hercules digifire 7.1
[11:50] <jackmacokc> i believe its picking up the onboard
[11:50] <crimsun> right, so you'll use snd-intel8x0 and snd-cs46xx
[11:50] <crimsun> jackmacokc: which cards does /proc/asound/cards list? (don't paste here)
[11:50] <buga> jackmacokc: try disabling onboard audio in bios setup utility
[11:51] <eyequeue> crimsun: none that i see
[11:51] <eyequeue> sobralense: nod
[11:51] <crimsun> eyequeue: using alsamixer, mute all the ice958 selections
[11:52] <TreadingSoftly> Anybody have any idea how to debug an instantly crashing Screem and an unstable Quanta, when OpenOffice and GIMP seem pretty stable, on a Warty system. (Already tried simply purging and reinstalling Screem. NB I got this message from apt when I reinstalled Screem: "File '/usr/share/applications/scribus.desktop' contains invalid MIME type 'scd,scd.gz,sla,sla.gz' that contains invalid characters" - could it be connected with the problem?)
[11:53] <eyequeue> crimsun: two iec95, both muted now ... silence, but do i need to restart or anything?
[11:53] <eyequeue> 958
[11:53] <jackmacokc> so you think i should disable the onboard and try for the pci hercules instead?
[11:54] <crimsun> jackmacokc: your hercules is in fact detected based on the output you sent me.
[11:54] <jackmacokc> really? hmmm
[11:56] <crimsun> jackmacokc: have you tried playing any sounds?
[11:56] <jaco> i'm switching to hoary
[11:56] <jackmacokc> sweet! I changed gstreamer to use ALSA and switched my speakers back to that sound card and viola!
[11:56] <jaco> what will hap?
[11:56] <jaco> what will happen
[11:56] <crimsun> jackmacokc: excellent.
[11:56] <jaco> ?
[11:56] <jackmacokc> it was using ESD, but ALSA seemed to fix it
[11:56] <jackmacokc> many thanks crimsun
[11:56] <crimsun> jackmacokc: np.
[11:56] <jaco> anyone with hoary here?
[11:57] <crimsun> jaco: yes. Be aware that Hoary is still in flux, so a few things won't work stably.
[11:57] <jaco> crimsun, but the most works?
[11:58] <crimsun> jaco: mostly.
[11:58] <eyequeue> jaco: which packages will break tomorrow, we can't guess today :)
[11:58] <jaco> :) ok i'm happy :)
[11:58] <Kosh42> Hello... Noob here to ask a Q...
[11:58] <eyequeue> ask
[11:58] <jaco> if my wi-fi works all is ok
[11:58] <jaco> :)
[11:59] <Kosh42> Is there an easy way to install ATI's driver of Warty 64?
[11:59] <jaco> i depend from the net, i can't survive without :)
[11:59] <Kosh42> Doesn't like the rpm
[11:59] <crimsun> Kosh42: it's not available yet.
[11:59] <Kosh42> Net = life...
[11:59] <Kosh42> Bother...
[11:59] <jaco> Kosh42, i've an Acer aspire 1500 64 bit
[11:59] <jaco> but i prefer use warthy 32
[11:59] <jaco> it work better than 64 bit
[12:00] <crimsun> Kosh42: wait a couple days. It's supposed to be released tomorrow, and it should be in Hoary soon.
[12:00] <Kosh42> Bother...