[12:04] sladen: they're _racing_ snails [12:04] Kamion: why does pterm set TERM = xterm? === usual [~colin@alb-69-202-46-6.nycap.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thully [~ubuntu@wuser81-league.umnet.umich.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] Hi - has anyone tried the live CD lately [12:08] It appears that the latest daily works - in fact, I'm typing from it right now [12:09] There are a few issues I've noticed, though - specific to the Live CD. [12:10] thully: if they were not already mentioned in my email as known problems, they should be reported to Bugzilla [12:10] I [12:10] 'm not using the old alpha version [12:11] is this a more recent e-mail [12:16] I sent an email yesterday === jaco [~jaco@host42-20.pool80117.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] what's the title of said e-mail - I had to unsubscribe from ubuntu-devel for a while under a deluge of e-mail === jaco [~jaco@host42-20.pool80117.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] something something live CD something [12:21] live cd x configuration? [12:21] autoconfiguration [12:21] that's it [12:22] OK - one of the issues I'm having was reported way back in the days of the warty CD image - and is not fixed in hoary [12:23] My ipw2200 wireless only works from live boot if I modprobe -r ipw2200;modprobe ipw2200 [12:24] actually, it didn't work at all on warty [12:24] live cd [12:25] it couldn't find the firmware on warty I think [12:26] no - it was there - it gave me some weird semaphore message [12:26] Kamion: have you thought about using passthrough for the ask-questions-before-reboot work? [12:26] thully: file a bug with dmesg output [12:26] thully: component: 'linux' [12:27] Also, is there plans to simplify the boot process on the hoary live cd? it seems very convoluted, as you practically have to go through the whole install process, just not copying any files [12:28] in my tests, it asks 4 questions [12:29] language, location and keyboard layout (which are essentially unavoidable) [12:29] and then hostname [12:29] which will be suppressed [12:29] but honestly, things like that are not important at this point in development; this live CD only came into existence last week, and polish is not our focus yet [12:29] well, you could have a few common languages/keyboard layouts on the grub boot screen and offer a "custom" option [12:30] you may have noticed that there is no grub boot screen [12:30] Well, so far it's better than warty's - it can have software installed on it and it works with wi-fi [12:30] there was some type of boot screen - just like the install cd [12:31] yes, isolinux. it doesn't provide the fancy menus and such that are possible with grub [12:31] OK [12:31] but it boots correctly on more machines [12:31] mdz: some of the 'convolution' feeling comes from rapidly switching progress bar action [12:31] which is hard to avoid atm [12:31] didn't pay that much attention to what happened at boot [12:31] also, it takes a long time to boot compared to knoppix and the like [12:32] it boots faster than the warty live CD for me [12:32] probably your CD-ROM doesn't have DMA enabled [12:32] the hoary live CD doesn't try to enable it if it's disabled by default, while knoppix and the like do [12:33] mdz: can we avoid loading a bunch of the nichey udebs if the kernel modules are on the live image? [12:33] well - I have a laptop, so maybe some weird quirks are causing this [12:34] Other issues I've had include - autohinter isn't enabled by default on fonts, and configuring wi-fi in GNOME control panel doesn't work (even after ipw2200 is reloaded - I ended up invoking dhcp from command line) [12:34] the autohinter thing isn't livecd-specific [12:35] did they turn it off by default in standard hoary? last I checked hoary turned it on by default [12:35] warty did not [12:36] This makes all fonts look much better - so it should default to on [12:36] hmm, ipw2200 doesn't work for me either on the live CD, now that I look [12:36] it's because it's failing to load the firmware [12:36] that means the firmware must be missing from the udebs [12:36] that's why reloading it works [12:37] Kamion: ^^^^ [12:40] so, what's Ubuntu going to do about the thunderbird/firefox trademark situation? [12:41] we've been talking to the mozilla folks [12:41] it's an open issue [12:41] jdub: oh, autohinter changes, is that why hoary fonts look different? [12:41] will you do what debian does, or may Ubuntu stick with "firefox/thunderbird" while Debian goes iceweasel? [12:41] looks better on my laptop, slightly less so on my desktop [12:42] mdz: mmm [12:42] mdz: which fonts do you use? bitstream vera or others? [12:42] jdub: I use whatever the defaults are [12:42] thully: it's an open question [12:42] mdz: the hoary installer used laptop-detect and used subpixel/autohinter (both) on my laptop [12:42] I believe it would use just autohinter (no subpixel) on desktops [12:44] jdub: I really don't have a handle on our font setup [12:44] laptop-detect with one set of settings for desktop and one for laptop would seem to be the ideal solution [12:45] for both live cd and non-live install [12:48] mdz: fontconfig.config [12:48] mdz: i don't think it should be autoconfiguring subpixel myself [12:49] mdz: that's probably best left to a gnome postinst gconf defaults change, such as we do with the default panel applets [12:49] It should pick the optimal look for the hardware [12:50] I've got to go - first a quick question - how do you restart X on the live CD without causing it to shutdown? === ajmitch [~ajmitch@chc11-port78.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] don't bother - I figured how to test autohinter another way. [12:51] jdub: so essentially everything in the desktop is doing client-side fonts? [12:51] bye [12:51] mdz: yeah, totally [12:51] mdz: that's the new world order [12:51] jdub: is there even any point in installing the X fonts, then? [12:52] not hugeyl [12:52] all 20 megs of them or whatever [12:52] yeah, that's a good point === ogra_ [~ogra@pD95F8F0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] I suppose people might expect to be able to run xterm and such [12:53] but surely we can trim it down a bit === ogra_ [~ogra@pD95F8F0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [~kent@83.249.61.192] has joined #ubuntu-devel === piotter [GJGJGJ@tkp-ip-nas-1-p251.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === piotter [GJGJGJ@tkp-ip-nas-1-p251.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === buga [burjang@pandora.inf.elte.hu] has left #ubuntu-devel ["good-night"] === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thully [~ubuntu@wuser11-league.umnet.umich.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] Hi - just booted the liveCD again - my system really took a long time at the network configuration stages === BlackHussar [~BlackHuss@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] amu: ping [01:50] hrm, probably a bit late === kent [~kent@83.249.61.192] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] jdub: hurry up, i'm on the way to bed [01:52] hey hey :) [01:52] amu: arts depends on libjack which depends on jackd - yikes! [01:52] installing kde-core [01:53] some of the depends are... odd [01:53] amu: do you have a seed list for kubuntu yet? === jdub wonders why arts package hasn't been split into backend packages [01:53] jdub: next on my todo, well those meta things are all broken :( [01:54] pretty wacky :) [01:54] what packages do you recommend installing for a good kde desktop, ala kubuntu? [01:54] jdub: i spend the hole WE on the Kstuff, finally everything is uploaded [01:54] if you have a list handy [01:55] apt-get install kde is the best of the worsest cases [01:55] dude, that was *insane* [01:56] you couldn't possibly fit all that stuff on one cd ;) [01:56] jdub: kdelibs, kdebase, libarts1-mpeglib, juk, kdm, gwenview, kontact off the top of my head [01:57] jdub: hehe [01:57] jdub: the problem is not the big kde packages, the prob are the small CD's *duck* [01:58] the non-kde depends for 'kde' are pretty crazy though [02:00] jdub: ;) i'm sure we find a cool solution, not every k package is needed for a cool desktop [02:01] jdub: but you're too fast for me, i'm not fulltime working on it [02:02] jdub: but good to know, you're my betatester no.1 with 3.4 [02:02] amu: it'll be easier now that we're in UVF :) [02:02] Cant you make a dvd-version of Ubuntu, with more stuff on it than the usual cd, i mean.. if you still want to limit it to one disc? [02:02] ?UVF [02:02] kent: it's highly likely that there'll be a dvd image with all of supported on it, plus the normal live image [02:03] eruin: upstream version freeze, when we stop syncing with sid [02:03] amu: running a big install now :) [02:03] that explains the lack of daily en-masse-updates [02:03] ;) [02:03] jdub: what's the general criteria for being naughty & breaking the freeze? [02:04] ajmitch: for main, we only sync if there are fixes we need, or if debian's merged ours [02:04] ajmitch: and exceptional other circumstances [02:04] and universe? [02:04] ajmitch: see the release schedule for all the freeze definitions [02:04] universe is slightly more flexible, or has been in the pasts [02:04] past [02:04] ok [02:05] ie. if someone's said it works and it's valuable for xyz reasons, we'll generally sync === ajmitch is just thinking of his own packages here [02:05] and it doesn't have potentially obvious side-effects [02:05] ajmitch: thought so ;) [02:06] ajmitch: i have the suspicion that within a few releases, we'll start seeing debian uploads to sid specifically in time for UVF :) [02:06] it's not like anyone else will care about them ;) [02:06] oh most likely :) [02:07] at least people won't be uploading semi-stable packages, just bugfixes for that time [02:07] jdub: hehehe, next time we meet, i want see you installation :) [02:07] amu: this is on my desktop testing box - it also has windows xp on it ;) [02:08] I ought to wait a few days before doing this warty->hoary upgrade [02:08] supposedly I'm moving to 256Kbps DSL soon :) [02:10] ajmitch: Ouch. I've been wrestling with whether to upgrade from 3M to 5M. =) [02:10] I was about to say you poor thing, too [02:10] Mostly because I then go from 384k up 768k up. [02:11] I'll probably be able to get 2M by march or so [02:11] still only 128k up === jaco [~jaco@host42-20.pool80117.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] but I'll at least be able to do a little bit of hacking by then :) [02:12] daniels: Sweet crack today? [02:13] deep thought: If Debian really does time-based releases, will Ubuntu sync up somehow? [02:13] ajmitch: you'll need more than 128up for that 2mbit down to be of any real use ;> [02:14] eruin: blame the NZ government for that ;) [02:14] mmm, nz [02:14] reminds me of home ;) [02:15] mjg59: hopefully, yah [02:15] Kamion: ping [02:15] mdz: ping [02:16] mdz: Working hibernate key requires us to ship an ibm-acpi modprobe.d fragment. ipw2200 should work after swsusp if you either (a) provide pci=routeirq on the kernel command line, or (b) wait for fabbione to apply the patch I sent him today === jaco [~jaco@host42-20.pool80117.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] daniels: Rocking [02:24] Ass. #5576 is very irritating. [02:26] mjg59: why is being run at that point? [02:26] excellent, recent ext2online works on lvm [02:26] sladen: As opposed to? [02:27] I guess doing it in multiuser might work as well, but it has to be done before X is started [02:32] mjg59: S12 [02:34] Anyway, I blame thom :P [02:34] mjg59: oh, why is vbestate being run? [02:34] sladen: To save the video state before X is started [02:34] We need something to restore after resume, and saving on suspend doesn't seem to work very well [02:40] jdub: do you know if the plans to move menu representation to GtkUIManager are in place for 2.10 ? [02:41] jdub: (e.g. using xml for all menu reps. instead of acutal packing calls in code etc) [02:49] mjg59: I think I asked somebody to file a bug about that earlier today (NTP hanging under Hoary) === jaco [~jaco@host42-20.pool80117.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === perdix [~perdix@134.102.101.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] sivang: which menus? [03:15] daniels: In the case of DDC only providing mode names and not sync ranges, shouldn't it be possible to calculate ranges? [03:15] jdub: I was referring to the way an app [03:15] specifies it's menus for the UI. [03:16] depends on the app [03:16] jdub: that is , I understood that there is an intent to move have apps use GtkUIManager which uses XML specs for creating menus. And Nautilus is already using it. [03:16] you can use gtkuimanager manually too [03:16] it's up to the author [03:17] mjg59: i have 3 vim sessions dedicated to this very task right now [03:17] Rock [03:17] mjg59: the problem is that we only decided whether or not to write the sync ranges in dexconf, which is far too late [03:17] mjg59: so i'm moving all that over to .config.in, which can work out whether or not we got everything [03:18] Ah, ok [03:18] jdub: ok, so a streamlined way to add the launchpad integration entries should not be (at least in theory) be affected by this right? [03:18] so the 'special' logic is all there, and i'm writing crt-with-list-of-resolutions-but-no-sync-ranges logic now [03:18] sivang: i believe libgnome(ui) may be useful here [03:18] sivang: i recall something about adding common help items [03:18] mjg59: know anything about that? [03:19] jdub: and about items also? [03:19] i'm talking about help menus [03:19] jdub: ah ok, you have a thread link? [03:20] thread of what? [03:20] jdub: nm. === daniels stares at his Radeon. [03:31] either this monitor is a ghost monitor, or it's caching DDC [03:32] (i have a benq lcd and a dell crt, and when the dell crt was turned off and unplugged from power, it was returning ddc results from there) [03:39] oof, lots of crap in u-u moderation [03:39] prepare for gibs [03:46] jdub: what's gibs? [03:47] sivang: ever hack someone to pieces with the crowbar in halflife? [03:47] daniels: I think I've seen hardware that cached stuff if there wasn't a response [03:48] tseng: hmm, done something similar to this in HeavyMetalII [03:48] sivang: the little bits left over are gibs [03:49] tseng: ah ok, thanks ;) [03:51] mjg59: it's a good idea, so you don't have to tie up the lines waiting for ddc, but bleh [03:54] Bastard protocol from hell === usual [~colin@alb-69-202-38-243.nycap.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:42] mjg59: i've just had an epiphany [04:42] mjg59: you know how if we take the state from just before suspend, and restore it after resume, the rendering is totally wack? [04:42] mjg59: and you know how dri is enabled before suspend, but not after resume? [04:43] mjg59: ... connect the dots === mpt [~mpt@210-246-37-52.paradise.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:02] oooh, oooh. I think it might be possible to do ppc, x86, amd64 *and* ia-64 on the same bootable ISO [05:09] daniels: I suspect the ddc electronics are hot the whole time the VGA cable is plugged on so that you can detect it and turn it off and on ? [05:23] sladen: well, you can detect the rpesence of a crt or otherwise, so it probably caches it for the lifetime of the connection [05:30] morning === pasc [pasc@gandalf.redellipse.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Xof [~mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:34] fabbione: dude, you so need to sleep in [05:37] fabbione: morning. ibm-acpi 0.10 is out :-) [05:38] daniels: i know... [05:38] sladen: and the dpatch for the kernel? [05:38] + i have a patch for ibm-acpi from mjg59 to fix some stuff [05:40] fabbione: no delta patch that I can see [05:42] sladen: give me a dpatch :-) [05:44] fabbione: but you /know/ how much /hassle/ that is :) === HostingGeek [~uname@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daniels looks at HostingGeek. [05:48] there is a huge bug in shorewall 2.0.13 and debian has upgraded to not only 2.0.14 but 2.0.15.1 can we see another merge === HostingGeek looks at the exit [05:48] thx cya === HostingGeek [~uname@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === `anthony [~anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:51] daniels: can you gimme op access level in here please? [05:51] (level 10 is the minimum according to chanserv config) [05:58] fabbione: i don't have it in #u-d [05:58] fabbione: only thombot has it in here [05:59] ok === wasabi_ [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thully [~knoppix@151.144.199.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:10] hi - can someone answer some questions on how the settings for subpixel rendering are decided? [06:10] does Ubuntu choose a different type of subpixel rendering (rgb, bgr, vertical rgb, vertical bgr) based on the configuration? [06:11] does X.org handle this any differently than XFree86? [06:11] you're better off asking in #ubuntu, but no, we don't pick the subpixel order at present. and the important thing isn't xfree86 vs xorg, it's the versions of fontconfig and freetype you have installed. [06:11] thully: these stuff is offtopic here [06:12] OK - just thought this to be a bit technical for #ubuntu [06:13] daniels: if i will give you an acx100 driver can you test it for me? to fix the firmware load path? [06:13] daniels: also.. what flavour do i need to build for you? 686? [06:13] fabb sure [06:13] fabbione: k7 pls [06:13] I do know that the ubuntu-devel mailing list is for development and very technical questions - is this different? [06:13] daniels [06:13] daniels: sure.. thanks [06:14] thully: a lot of people on #ubuntu has very high tech skils [06:14] skills even [06:14] fabbione: cheers dude [06:14] this chan is very specific to development [06:15] OK - I guess I kind of thought it was like the ubuntu-devel mailing list which said it was for highly technical discussions and development === thully [~knoppix@151.144.199.132] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:43] daniels: what package does actually ship the acx100 firmware? [06:44] fabbione: lrm-ver-subarch [06:45] ok [06:51] daniels: just to make the first test easier.. what firmware do you load? [06:51] or better.. that chipset do you have? [06:52] the ACX111 or the pure ACX100? [06:52] 111 [06:52] i knew that your hardware sucks :-) [06:52] clearly is the most complicated one [06:52] ahahah [06:52] i need TIACX111.BIN [06:52] heh :) [06:52] dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp [06:52] cp: cannot create regular file `debian/libxdamage-dev//usr/X11R6/lib/pkgconfig/xdamage.pc': Permission denied [06:52] ... [06:53] ah, I see [07:08] daniels: it will take me a little while to build [07:08] fabbione: sure, that's fine [07:08] i don't think i have k7 in ccache [07:08] heh :) [07:09] well i still have my -j15 to build :-) [07:09] ccache+distcc = teh r0ck [07:10] if a shared library is considered private, is it okay to put it in the same package as a normal executable? [07:10] they don't really need to be split if that's kosher [07:10] is it in /usr/lib/packagename/? [07:11] (also, don't ship a .so at all) [07:11] and yes [07:12] it's not in /usr/lib/packagename/ [07:13] jdub: i would do that only if 100% sure that nothing in future will use that lib [07:13] otherwise just split it and it's done... [07:13] once and forever [07:13] and you don't need to rethink it in 2 months from now === fabbione hugs his THX === Keybuk [scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:31] daniels: building now === mpt [~mpt@210-246-37-236.paradise.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:36] heh, morning mpt [07:36] wondered how long it would take :) [07:37] fabbione: cool, thanks [07:37] mdz: can i move dbus-1 from the base to desktop? [07:37] mdz: i have *no* idea why it's in base [07:38] sure nothing else in base depends on it? [07:38] 100% [07:38] otherwise it would depend on it [07:38] wacky [07:39] if something in base depended on it, he couldn't move it [07:39] germinate would be sarcastic and leave it where it was [07:39] i want to see aforementioned sarcasm [07:40] http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/germinate-hoary-output/_germinate_output ? :p [07:40] ! Promoted debhelper from supported to desktop to satisfy alien [07:41] that kind of thing [07:41] jdub: And what's that supposed to imply? :-) [07:41] mpt: that you're a sucker for punishment, and we've piqued your interest. :-) [07:41] Keybuk: i want to see sarcasm, dude! [07:42] jdub: I swear it was more sarcastic when I maintained it :p [07:42] jdub: Something like that [07:42] jdub: I see there's a graphical installer that needs designing ... [07:42] (or so it says on the wiki) [07:43] Keybuk: colin made it polite [07:43] Keybuk: perhaps we should maintain a marvin branch [07:43] Keybuk: "oh, sigh, these humans don't know how to satisfy alien" [07:43] easy, oo-mox [07:45] hrm, wish rince ran postfix [07:49] daniels: did you see that xine* bug i did assign to you? [07:49] daniels: do you think you can manage to fix it? [07:49] otherwise in fullscreen it is real crap === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:58] fabbione: yeah, I'll do that tonight === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-22-129.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea1-4-10-181-189.sea1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea1-4-10-181-189.sea1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:17] daniels: acx_pci.ko, right? [08:21] daniels: it's on people... [08:21] just grab that one and be sure you don't have any symlink or firmware around [08:21] modprobe it [08:21] and it should print some extra crap in the dmesg === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea1-4-10-181-189.sea1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:22] like FABBIONE: [08:22] that will tell you if it found the right file or not [08:33] fabbione: ah cool [08:33] hold on a sec [08:34] was just eating, sorry [08:38] np [08:41] heh [08:42] i forgot i was back on -1 [08:42] so i've installed -2, in the meantime my wireless card has died in the arse and won't come back up [08:42] so i'm just waiting for this xorg build to finish before i reboot [08:42] just in dh_strip now [08:42] sure [08:42] no problem [08:43] just replace the driver from people before rebootinh [08:43] and check the dmesg [08:43] so you don't need to unload/load [08:43] but be sure that you don't have spurious firmwares around [08:43] brb [08:44] yeah [08:44] - sprintf(filename,"%s/TIACX111.BIN", firmware_dir); /* combined firmware */ [08:44] + sprintf(filename,"%s/TIACX111.BIN-%s", firmware_dir, UTS_RELEASE); [08:44] + if (OK != acx_check_file(filename)) { [08:44] + acxlog(L_INIT, "FABBIONE Firmware: '%s' not found. Trying alternative firmware.\n", filename); [08:44] + sprintf(filename,"%s/TIACX111.BIN", firmware_dir); /* combined firmware */ [08:44] + } [08:44] the patch is easy [08:44] but basically i need to see if UTS_RELEASE is what we really need :-) [08:44] cool :) [08:45] if that works i need to propagate the change to the lower firmware loader [08:46] i'll tell you :) [08:46] rebooting now [08:46] ok [08:48] fabbione: scoooooooooooore [08:48] fabbione: thanks mate :) [08:54] daniels: cool === `anthony [~anthony@220-253-16-58.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:58] Morning all [09:01] this code is SO hugly! [09:01] morning sivang [09:01] hi sivang [09:01] hi Treenaks [09:01] fabbione: did you sacrafice your daily chunk of gpg keys? [09:01] hi fabbione [09:01] sivang: ? [09:02] fabbione: I tried the VIA driver from the unichrome.sf.net site (on sid, with XFree86 4.3.0) [09:02] fabbione: it works fine now [09:02] Treenaks: you know hoary has the via driver from unichrome now? :) [09:02] fabbione: (though there's one patch not integrated yet.. ) [09:02] daniels: yeah, I read that [09:02] fabbione: the gpg keys scarafice , surely you emember one frustrating day with the kernel? ;-) [09:03] Treenaks: open a wishlist bug on debian for it, but i don't promise to get it in. [09:03] daniels: but my machine is running sid, and I don't like reinstalling ;) [09:03] sivang: ehehe [09:03] fabbione: buena serra btw :) [09:03] fabbione: I'll stick with the unofficial xserver packages I found [09:03] Treenaks: Branden and I are being pretty conservative at this point of the release to mess around too much with drivers and such [09:04] sivang: :-) [09:05] fabbione: (I hope I said good morning in italian) [09:05] Treenaks: morning! [09:07] fabbione: yeah, I understand [09:07] fabbione: that's why I'm using the unofficial deb ;) [09:09] heh, cool :) [09:09] xresprobe now tells you whether the display is crt, lcd/lvds, or lcd/tmds [09:09] sorry i am fighting with teh HUGLYNESS right now [09:09] daniels: that driver needs a full rewrite [09:10] fabbione: what, via? [09:10] it's so much crap that it doesn't deserve to live in my kernel [09:10] acx100 [09:10] daniels: the via kernel driver (drm) is undergoing a rewrite already :) [09:10] they don't even know how to write C [09:11] daniels: ("That's the largest function I've ever seen in a C program" - some dri coder) [09:14] daniels: afaics we don't ship the USB version, right? [09:15] Treenaks: yeah, I've seen alanh going through and rewriting a whole bunch of stuff [09:15] fabbione: oh yeah, acx, it's a horror [09:15] fabbione: i don't think they even have the usb stuff working [09:16] ok === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [~mpt@210-246-37-236.paradise.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:19] daniels: can you do me a favour? on 5329 can you just add a foobar comment? i need to see if my new mail filters are working :-) === ironwolf_ [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] hey pitti [09:27] Hi fabbione [09:27] hi everybody [09:27] pitti: gimme some bad news.. just to start the week :) [09:28] pitti: can you please add a simple foobar comment to 5329? [09:28] i need to test my spam^Wbug mail filters? [09:29] fabbione: hmm, I don't think that I can add anything qualified to this bug [09:29] just foobar === elmo [~james@83-216-141-215.jamest298.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] i don't need anything useful in it [09:29] fabbione: bad news> wait, I just opened my mailbox :-) [09:29]