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Kosh42?? Hoary12:00
crimsunKosh42: Hoary is the next stable release.12:00
Kosh42Ahh....12:00
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Kosh42Said I was a noob...12:00
eyequeueKosh42: warty==stable, hoary==development12:00
jacocrimsun,  there is x.org in hoary no?12:00
Kosh42Sorry about that...12:00
crimsunjaco: yes.12:00
jacook, it's a great thing12:00
eyequeueKosh42: we were all new once12:01
eyequeueKosh42: me, quite recently :)12:01
jacoanyway about warthy, it's the best distro that i've tried until now12:01
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jacoi was a silver mandrake member12:01
jacoand i switched to ubuntu12:01
jacoit's more stable, the hardware works fine12:02
crypticreignkernel freezes on starting ntp process :/12:02
Kosh42I was pointed to it by a fello user I play games online with...12:02
sladencrypticreign: doesn't sound good12:02
Kosh42If I could get graphics driver support, I'd be VERY happy...12:02
Kosh42No more Windows :o)12:02
crypticreignsladen: naw.. i just reinstalled.. i couldnt even get ot anything in rescue kernel12:02
crypticreigner rescue boot12:03
crypticreignsladen: but.. i had JUST updated to hoary.. was my first boot into that12:03
jacoKosh42,  try with the 32 bit version12:03
jacoit work better than 64 bit12:03
jackmacokcok, i have another one for you all regarding boot loaders and serial ata. i have my ubuntu on a pata master drive and winxp on a sata master...my dell wants to always boot to the sata drive..is there a way for me to force grub as the boot loader rather than hitting F12 at boot? for some rason it didn't overwrite the boot record when ubuntu was installed.12:03
sladencrypticreign: you can start up with   linux init=/bin/sh  mount -o remount,rw /  and disable NTP12:03
eyequeueoops, bbl12:03
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sladencrypticreign: ah, so you reckon this is likely an issue with the hoary NTP12:03
Kosh4232 bit warty?12:03
Kosh42Or 32 bit driver?12:04
jacoyes Kosh4212:04
crypticreignsladen: well... jeesh.. i was stupid and didnt come in here and ask before.. heh, new system installed now.. so ill remember that.. thanks12:04
jacono 32 bit warthy12:04
crypticreignsladen: yes.. after i upgraded to hoary.. it did it both 2.6.8 and 2.6.10 kernels12:04
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Kosh42Seems a shame... Can't get anything to go 64bit on my new 64bit processor...12:04
Kosh42Many thanks for your help...12:04
jacoKosh42, i've a 64 bit processor12:04
jacoand i use 32 bit software12:05
crimsunKosh42: you can, but ATI hasn't released 64-bit drivers yet.12:05
crimsunKosh42: so you have to wait til then.12:05
jacobecause the support is not so good yet12:05
Kosh42ATI's linux = 4% market so get 4% of their resources... :o(12:05
jacoi think that at the last of 2005 we can use our 64 bit processor12:05
jacobut now...12:05
calcKosh42: and thus they get 4% of the market of linux too ;)12:06
calcKosh42: note that 64bit driver will be out next week aiui12:06
jacocalc ATI Mobile is on 80% of laptop12:06
jacosgrunt12:06
Kosh42XP64 has just gone to RC1... But I'm trying to avoid it...12:06
sladencrypticreign: can you file a bug on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/  and hopefully it can be tracked down.  Can you post details of the machine you were using and which kernels you said it froze with12:06
crypticreignsladen: i will12:07
sladenjaco: if they provided source-based drivers they would have worked from day 1 !12:07
sladenjaco: it's like expecting x86 binary drivers to work on a Mac12:07
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jacotrue, but this is an old topic, the manufactures have a little support for linux12:08
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jaco180 files of 934 downloaded, i can see my hoary tonight :)12:09
crypticreignhehe12:10
jacothe beatiful thing is that all works while i'm upgrading12:10
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jackmacokcnobody have a clue on why my grub isnt working?12:11
DaNewBOff-topic but what do you guys think of the new AMD Semprons? Good?12:12
sladenjackmacokc: what's your problem12:12
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randabistry as I might...I just can't get doom3 going12:12
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sladenrandabis: what error message does it give?12:13
jackmacokcsladen: when i installed ubuntu on a pata drive, my system still wants to boot to my sata drive with xp on it12:13
dudhi there folks12:13
HrdwrBoBjackmacokc: you can change the boot order in your BIOS to fix that12:14
sladenjackmacokc: have you even seen grub yet?  If not, go into the BIOS and tell it to boot from the other drive12:14
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jackmacokcnope, not in mine..its a dell and only has "Hard Drive" in the boot order..not sata or pata12:14
sladenjackmacokc: did you do something weird (like add/swap/remove drives) during installation?12:14
HrdwrBoBsata is classed as 'scsi'12:14
HrdwrBoBor 'addition controller'12:14
HrdwrBoBor something like that12:14
jackmacokcsladen: if i hit F12 for a dell bootmenu, and specifically choose the pata drive, i see grub..otherwise, right into xp12:15
jackmacokcsladen: no, drive was installed prior to ubuntu installation12:15
sladenjackmacokc: both drives?12:15
jackmacokcyes12:15
randabissladen it gives no error, the screen just goes black, then I have to CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE12:15
jackmacokcwell it booted to the sata drive before12:15
jackmacokcand i added the pata drive12:16
jackmacokcthen ran install12:16
DaNewBAre AMD Sempron CPUs well supported in Linux?12:16
sladenrandabis: what happens if you do   ./doom3 2>&1 > doom3-logfile.txt12:17
crimsunDaNewB: they're supported, yes.12:17
sladenDaNewB: yes12:17
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brian_what repo is the latest kernel image in? 2.6.10?12:17
crimsun'main'12:17
brian_main, security,multiverse?12:18
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sladenDaNewB: so are Alpha, Power, Sparc, ARM, Itanium, HPPA, m68k and even Intel x8612:18
DaNewBcrimsun, sladen, Semprons correspond to what? i386? i686? amdk-7 or what??12:18
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lizdeikai have installed python-scientific but i cant import a thing from it. do i miss smth ?12:19
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jackmacokcno ideas sladen?12:19
brian_what repo is the latest kernel image in? 2.6.10?12:19
crimsunbrian_: main, I answered above :)12:19
randabissladen, same thing, hence why I disappeared for a moment12:19
brian_oh i did not see12:19
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icerogueHey what email server would you recomend?12:19
sladenDaNewB: probably best to use i386 (x86)12:19
icerogueto run12:19
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HrdwrBoBicerogue: postfix12:19
sladenDaNewB: I think semperons are amd64's without cache12:19
sladenicerogue: postfix is the default in Ubuntu12:20
icerogueis there a webmail front for postfix?12:20
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crimsunaccording to the summary, semprons use existing athlonXP arch. If so, they're safely used as k7.12:20
jdubDaNewB: sempron is a k712:20
sladenjackmacokc: so  one setting gets you the XP bootloader and another setting gets you the Grub?12:21
randabissemprons are not A64s...the only one that comes close is the socket 754 sempron (3100+)12:21
lizdeikano pythonic ppl in the house ? :)12:21
DaNewBjdub, sempron 2400+ more precisely12:21
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sladenjackmacokc: boot linux, check that your root partition is on 'sda?' (serial ATA showing up as a SCSI device)12:21
jackmacokcsladen: k..i'm going to reboot and check the grub config..brb12:22
sladenjackmacokc: tell grub to write install itself on  /dev/hda  (or parallel ATA drive) instead12:22
dudi don't suppose anyone would know where i could find a cdrdao package for amd64?12:22
jackmacokcsladen: will try12:22
randabissladen, no ideas?12:22
DaNewBsladen, crimsun, jdub, randabis: thanks! i'm gonna buy a sempron 1.5Ghz for 90$ Yay!12:22
dudive been reading about a debian sarge package thats usable....12:22
sladenrandabis: x86 !!!12:22
randabis?12:22
randabisI'm talking about my doom3 problems12:23
sladenrandabis: sorry, I'm getting questions mixed up, what's your12:23
dudhmm12:23
crimsunlizdeika: what's up?12:23
lizdeikai have installed python-scientific but i cant import a thing from it. do i miss smth ?12:23
sladenrandabis: okay, did you get a logfile like I suggested?12:23
dudhi there crimsun :)12:23
randabisI'll check...12:23
lizdeikai get ImportError12:23
crimsundud: 'lo12:23
usualdoes ubuntu have any plans of including a GUI for burning audio cd's? like coaster or something?12:24
crimsunlizdeika: it's a metapackage.12:24
sladendud: is cdrdao not in the archive---what does  sudo apt-get install cdrdao /12:24
sladendud: is cdrdao not in the archive---what does  sudo apt-get install cdrdao   do?12:24
lizdeikafor example import Rational12:24
sladenusual: I think coaster is probably going to go in12:24
jdubusual: we're tracking those projects to include them when they're ready12:24
randabisyes, I got a logfile, but it is blank...nothing is in it12:24
lizdeikacrimsun: what can i do then ? :)12:24
usualok, cause atm it sucks12:24
usualheh12:24
dudhmm, thats weird... i used alien on an x86_64 rpm for cdrdao12:25
usualthe only gui's I have found for gtk2 use cdrecord looking for scsi emulation12:25
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usualand the cli apps crap out12:25
dudk3b cant find it, but apt-get says its installed...12:25
randabissladen logfile is blank12:26
dudsladen, removed the alien package... now it says 'E: Package cdrdao has no installation candidate'12:27
jacousual: i use k3b12:27
sladenrandabis: Google reckons:  oom III would hang during starting if you redirect the output. Pass +set in_tty 0 on the command line to fix: $ doom3 +set in_tty 0 > output.txt12:27
jacou can't install crdao on 64 bit12:27
jacobut it works on 3212:27
usualjaco, yea I just hate installing a bunch of qt/kde crap just to burn an audio cd12:27
crypticreignusual: maen12:28
crypticreignusual: amen :)12:28
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sladenokay, people, stop thinking 32bit and 64bit.  Think  x86  and  amd64  (it just happens that some AMD chips are able to process both types of instruction sets)12:28
jacousual: it's easy and u has only to say to synaptyc to make the work for u12:28
usual:)12:28
calcsladen: some?12:28
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calc:)12:28
lizdeikaomg qt apps looks weird :O fonts are so big12:28
usualsup calc12:28
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randabisthanks I'll give it a shot12:28
sladencalc: and some recent Intel Xeon chips are able to process both instruction sets too)12:29
calcsladen: ah i misread it to mean that some amd64 can't process ia32 ;)12:29
calcusual: hi12:30
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jaco380/984 go go go go go12:30
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randabisnope, that didn't fix it either12:30
randabismaybe this is related to hoary12:31
usualhas anyone actually got coaster to compile?12:31
crimsunlizdeika: wouldn't you want to load something that uses Rational?12:31
calcsladen: intel is expected to fully embrace em64t on all chips by mid this year12:31
usualI tried debian mentors site12:31
usualbuilding src12:31
usualno luck12:31
crimsunlizdeika: you wouldn't want to import it directly.12:31
usualsays it can't find some files12:31
calcperhaps it will cause amd to enable 64bit on the semprons as well12:31
usualin the coastrer src dir12:31
sladenusual: it should be in universe/multiverse12:31
crimsunlizdeika: for instance one of the modules listed on http://dirac.cnrs-orleans.fr/ScientificPython/12:31
usualsladen, it's not12:31
icerogueHas anyone tried Squirrel Mail?12:32
dudhah!12:32
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dudcdrdao can be compiled on amd6412:32
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calcfrom what i heard from intel se the only reason they haven't released 64bit support on the desktop yet is due to win x64 not being released yet12:32
dud'./configure --without-scglib' works12:32
sladenusual: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install build-essential && sudo apt-get build-dep coaster && apt-get -b source coaster12:32
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usualE: Unable to find a source package for coaster12:33
jackmacokci couldnt figure it out in grub sladen12:33
jackmacokcsladen: could you tell me what command i need to issue in grub to make it re-write its info12:33
randabis*sigh* oh well, guess I can live without doom312:33
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sladenjackmacokc: I think this:   ''Ubuntu installer thinks 'I'm on a SCSI machine, I'll install grub to the first SCSI disk, /dev/sda'12:34
sladenjackmacokc: you need to tell grub to install to the first IDE disk instead (/dev/hda)12:35
usualsladen, not avil12:35
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jackmacokcsladen: no, quite the opposite actually. ubuntu is installed on hda, but i needed it to install on sda12:35
jackmacokcso now i need to take it off hda and install it on sda12:36
lizdeikacrimsun: gee thanks :) i must read more on python "from Scientific.Functions import Rational" works just fine12:36
ZzeCoOlhello i have a strange problem i have just install ati drivers in hoary using synaptic and when i log into X i dont have right click feature or the gnome menu ...the only thing that works is gdesklets (i waz lucky i have xchat and console to a gdesklet menu) so i can use them to check whats wrong but i need help12:36
crimsunlizdeika: :)12:36
elmayahello12:37
GammaRayif I just installed the hoary kernel package, which packages do I have to update to get the nvidia driver working again?12:37
zerokarmaleftjackmacokc, post 'cat /boot/grub/device.map' to pastebin12:37
sladenusual: do you have universe and multiverse enabled?12:37
ZzeCoOlanyone for me plz?12:37
jdubGammaRay: install the linux-686 metapackage, or whatever's appropriate for your cpu12:37
jdubGammaRay: that'll suck in the right l-r-m pacakges and so on too12:38
kentZzeCoOl, most likely the ati-driver malfunctioning. I cant use the nvidia-driver on Hoary, it makes X go wild :(12:38
ZzeCoOli see12:38
usualsladen, yes12:38
ZzeCoOlim killing X and trying again now12:38
sladenZzeCoOl: try   pkill -u $USER   and log in again12:38
lizdeikaoh man. default calculator on ubuntu looks so feature rich but i cant find a way to convert hex to decimal format :)12:38
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jdublizdeika: in scientific mode, click the hex radio button, type in, then click the decimal radio button12:39
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randabiswork dammit12:39
jackmacokcok i posted it to pastebin12:40
cthulfuegolizdeika: (in the shell) printf("%X\n", 12)12:40
cthulfuegolizdeika: printf "%X\n" 12  even12:40
jackmacokchttp://www.pastebin.com/22972812:40
sladenlizdeika: click hex, type   64*1 enter,  click dec12:41
GammaRaylizdeika: or in bc... type ibase=16 and start typing nunbers12:41
DaNewBlizdeika, View Menu -> Scientific Mode12:41
sladenGammaRay: or bring up a command box, start python  and type   0x64   or hex(100)12:41
neighborleeanyone else not getting sound when playing say .mov files online ( onthis case im trying to see/hear one of the startrek previews which in past worked fine)12:42
usualgreat12:42
lizdeikasladen: tricky way hehe. i think it should be like: click hex type 123 click dec. galculator and many others work that way12:43
usualcoaster requires bakery 2.4, thats CVS12:43
usualgrrr12:43
jdublizdeika: that's precisely how the gnome calculator works12:43
jdublizdeika: see above where i explained it12:43
elmayais there a place to upload ubuntu backgrounds in the wiki?12:43
GammaRaysladen: nah.. much too simple. he should use the bit shift operator in C12:43
lizdeikajdub: not for me than12:44
kentelmaya, upload them to gnome-look.org aswell. Some people only check that one. (and art.gnome.org)12:44
sladenGammaRay: or she12:44
elmayaok12:44
jaco500/934 my hoary is at more of 50%12:44
jacogg12:44
jacogh12:44
DaNewBlizdeika, it IS exactly that way12:44
lizdeikaso wtf is with my calculator :/12:44
jacox.org is waitinj jaco ghghg12:44
jacox.org is waiting for jaco ghghg12:45
DaNewBlizdeika, View --> Scientific Mode12:45
lizdeikayes yes12:45
GammaRaysladen: I perfer "them\they" for my all purpose noun12:45
DaNewBlizdeika, click hex, type FF, click bin12:45
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cthulfuegomeh!12:46
ZzeCoOlcan someone help me plz12:46
DaNewBlizdeika, simpler than making toasts!12:46
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elocalhello12:46
elocalLinux ubun32 2.6.10-2-k7 #1 Fri Jan 14 14:14:46 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux12:46
lizdeikaDaNewB: i tell you i get the same value12:46
DaNewBliz what value is that?12:46
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keknehvHello all12:47
cthulfuegoprintf %d 0xff12:47
DaNewBlizdeika, what's the value?12:47
lizdeikaDaNewB: if being in hex mode i type FF with keyboard i get FunFun12:47
lizdeikaDaNewB: FF12:47
elocalon Athlon 64 Ubuntu Hoary 32bit running awesome, had to go 32 since Gentoo AMD64 some apps like cedega did not worked...12:47
DaNewBliz click BIN now!12:47
keknehvMy apt-get is experiencing problems: Preparing to replace perl-base 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.1 (using .../perl-base_5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2_i386.deb) ...12:47
keknehvUnpacking replacement perl-base ...12:47
keknehvdpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-base_5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2_i386.deb (--unpack):12:47
cthulfuegoelocal: That's coz cedega uses 32bit windows shit12:47
keknehv trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/perl/5.8', which is also in package liblockfile-simple-perl12:47
keknehvErrors were encountered while processing:12:47
lizdeikaFF for bin, for oct, for dec12:47
keknehv /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-base_5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2_i386.deb12:48
carthikwhat's the easiest way to get java working in FF ?12:48
keknehvE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)12:48
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keknehvIs there any way to fix this problem?12:48
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wastrelok howcome this.12:48
keknehvShould I remove liblockfile-simple-perl?12:48
elocalcthulfuego, yea all my games!!!!12:48
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cavediverWhat's this all about ? powernow-k8 transition failed, vid 0x3, curr 0x4 ?12:48
elocalcthulfuego, it ran with emul-libs, but all of the sudden stopped working12:49
cavediverGet this all over the syslog12:49
wastreli've got my $PAGER set to /usr/bin/less, i've got less set as pager in /etc/alternatives, but when i go to tab complete i get more12:49
wastrelnot less12:49
elocalI was running all latest(~amd64[unstable] ) apps12:49
wastrelhow i fix pls?12:49
elocalI did not liked the idea of the chroot12:49
elocal:(12:49
elocalnonetheless Ubuntu Hoary runs awesomely12:50
lizdeikaDaNewB: in hex mode try typing FF with keyboard. What do you get ?12:50
randabistry to run doom312:50
elocalonly some audio skipping on heavy load, this is probably due to the kernel12:50
randabis:(12:50
DaNewBlizdeika, 1111111112:50
keknehvSigh... What should I do?12:50
crimsunkeknehv: is this under warty?12:50
keknehvYes12:50
kentshould not "killall nautilus" restart nautilus and re-read what icons i want to use?  the theme-manager dont want to change icons right now :(12:51
elocalIn gentoo I ran ck-sources which are very focused on interactivity and responsiveness12:51
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kentusing Hoary.12:51
keknehvI can't upgrade anything, so don't tell me to upgrade to hoary.12:51
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crimsunkeknehv: yes, for now I would remove liblockfile-simple-perl12:51
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ZzeCoOlhay i update to hoary and xorg and i lost all my gnome menu the only thing that starting up is gdesklets12:51
DaNewBlizdeika, version 4.4.2012:51
ZzeCoOlplz help12:51
keknehvI tried...12:51
keknehv sudo apt-get remove liblockfile-simple-perl12:51
keknehvReading Package Lists... Done12:51
keknehvBuilding Dependency Tree... Done12:51
keknehvYou might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:12:51
keknehvThe following packages have unmet dependencies:12:51
keknehv  debmirror: Depends: liblockfile-simple-perl but it is not going to be installed12:52
lizdeikaDaNewB: 5.5.2512:52
keknehv  libperl5.8: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2) but 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.1 is to be installed12:52
keknehv  perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2) but 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.1 is to be installed12:52
keknehvE: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).12:52
kentZzeCoOl, but have you tried using the normal ati-driver to see if thats the problem?12:52
keknehvThe whole thing is screwed up12:52
randabisflllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooodddddddddd12:52
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DaNewBlizdeika, wow huge differnece!12:52
ZzeCoOlkent i uninstall the fglrx driver but it is the same12:52
lizdeikaDaNewB: hoary here12:52
crimsunkeknehv: what happens when you use `sudo apt-get -f install' ? (don't paste here)12:52
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ZzeCoOli dont know what to do in etc/X11/ there are both xorg.confg and xfree config files strange12:53
DaNewBlizdeika, Warty here, but hey, what could they possibly change?12:53
crimsunZzeCoOl: for the most part they're interchangeable12:53
kentZzeCoOl, then, i guess its becaus you are using Hoary, (if i remember correctly. It can be buggy time to time).  I have no problems right now, besides the theme-manager..12:53
lizdeikaDaNewB: looks like bug12:53
ZzeCoOlcrimsun ?what?12:53
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DaNewBlizdeika, if they added lots of features, could be a new bug ya12:54
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erikhey, I'm trying to suspend my laptop - it seems to work but comes right back within seconds of suspending.  Anyone know if there's a script I can tweak or something?12:54
randabismy theme manager was broken, but it's fixed now12:54
keknehvcrimsun: exactly the same thing... It says that it can't update perl because liblock is dependent...12:54
ZzeCoOldamn12:54
DaNewBZzeCoOl, looks like a .desktop file missing or something??12:54
ZzeCoOlmaybe i have to reinstall gnome12:54
ZzeCoOlDaNewB yes all the desktop files and the gnome menus are missing12:55
ZzeCoOltha upper and the down panel are empty12:55
lizdeikahaha12:55
DaNewBZzeCoOl, the Gnome menus are missing cause there is no config file I suppose12:55
kentrandabis, my theme-manager worked before, but started to misbehave today :(12:55
lizdeikadont ever reboot f12:55
ZzeCoOlDaNewB how does this happen?12:56
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ZzeCoOlbefore i reboot everything waz fine12:56
ZzeCoOlogra help meee12:56
DaNewBZzeCoOl, you mean before it upgrades to Hoary, right?12:56
ZzeCoOlno12:56
lizdeikadont ever reboot directly from session. first logout then reboot from gdm12:56
ZzeCoOli have upgrade before12:56
crimsunkeknehv: debmirror seems to be the culprit12:56
DaNewBlizdeika, why?12:56
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ZzeCoOland waz working perfectly in hoary12:57
DaNewBZzeCoOl, then you upgraded something? Gnome?12:57
lizdeikabecause you get empty panels and stuff12:57
ZzeCoOlno only the drivers for ati12:57
|D|lizdeika: thats not normal12:57
keknehv crimsun: so remove demirror? I don't even know what that is...12:57
DaNewBlizdeika, you mean like ZzeCoOl?12:57
|D|i reboot from gnome and nothing goes missing12:57
ZzeCoOlbut i have uninstall them ...and the probem steel exist12:58
lizdeika|D|: i know but thats i trick if you want your menus and panels after shutdown/reboot12:58
lizdeikaits in hoary hoary12:58
sladen|D|: pkill -u $USER  and log back in12:58
lizdeikaone hoary :)12:58
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DaNewBlizdeika, what's the trick? how do you get them back?12:58
anaxagorasHello everybody12:58
sladenDaNewB: pkill -u $USER  and log back in12:59
ZzeCoOlyes tell us plz12:59
|D|sladen : why i'm not having problems12:59
|D|:P12:59
usualcan anyone explain how these gui apps are suposed to be frontends to cdrecord but yet cdrecord doesn't detect my burner in the cli because it tries to find scsi emulated devices that are no longer there because they did away with that by default in 2.612:59
DaNewBZzeCoOl, i believe listen to sladen12:59
ZzeCoOlsladen12:59
ZzeCoOlare u sure?12:59
sladen|D|:  Alt-Ctrl-F1  login,   pkill -u $USER  log back in12:59
ZzeCoOlwhat does this command do?12:59
keknehvAha! I think i found it... (= 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2) but 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.1 is to be installed12:59
keknehvSo I just have to take that off, right>01:00
sladenZzeCoOl: it kills all the processes belonging to you01:00
lizdeikasladen is right01:00
ZzeCoOli have to kill X first?01:00
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ZzeCoOland then do it from the console?01:00
lizdeikabecause all those gnome-smth just sits there :)01:00
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keknehvHow do you remove something from the apt-get to-be-installed list?01:00
lizdeika:/01:01
sladenkeknehv: how do you mean?01:01
ZzeCoOlsladen IM GONNA TRY THIS ONE...01:01
ZzeCoOloupss sry for the caps01:01
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ZzeCoOlkilling X01:01
DaNewBlizdeika, Alt-Ctrl-F1  login,   pkill -u $USER  log back in01:01
keknehvsladen: it wants to install 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.1... How do I stop it from doing so?01:01
DaNewBlizdeika, oops01:01
keknehvI think it got confused and attempted to downgrade...01:02
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GammaRayjdub: I ran apt-get install linux-386 and it got all the kernel packages but X still refuses to load w/ the nvidia driver01:02
sladenkeknehv: 5.8.4-2 of what?01:02
keknehvubuntu...01:02
DaNewBZzeCo0l just doesnt listen properly eh...01:02
keknehv  perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2) but 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.1 is to be installed01:02
lizdeikamhmm eric3 looks quite good01:03
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ZzeCoOlsladen you are the MAN01:03
ZzeCoOlit works01:03
ZzeCoOl:>01:03
ZzeCoOlthanx01:03
ZzeCoOlbut how does this happen?01:03
sladenZzeCoOl: there's a race condition somewhere, doing that kills *everything* and lets you start again01:04
crimsunkeknehv: what depends on 0.1?01:04
ZzeCoOlnice01:04
sladenZzeCoOl: presumbley with some of the items now cached so that they start (and finish) in a faster order01:04
keknehvcrimsun: Perl  depends on 0.2, but it is going to install 0.1...01:04
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crimsunkeknehv: some other package is trying to pull in 0.1. Which?01:05
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sladenkeknehv: are you trying to do an upgrade/downgrade from hoary to warty ?01:05
keknehvNo!01:05
ZzeCoOlsladen what ...im not a native speaker..and that waz tough for me01:05
brian_can anyone tell me what installing a kernel image WITH PINNINGS? means?01:05
usualnm i found it01:05
usualcdrecord uses dev= now01:05
ZzeCoOlpresumbley???  O_o01:05
keknehvI just was trying to get htttrack and clicked "mark upgrades" at the same time01:05
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ZzeCoOlone more thing guys how can i check if im using Xorg or Xfree?01:06
ZzeCoOlim not sure01:06
ZzeCoOl:)01:06
Ribsdo you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?01:06
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ZzeCoOlyes01:06
Ribsthen you are using xorg01:06
ZzeCoOlbut i have aslo a Xfree config there01:06
Ribsprobabily a old config file01:07
ZzeCoOland xorg server it isnt install in synaptic01:07
crimsunZzeCoOl: X -version01:07
ZzeCoOli mean it isnt checked01:07
ZzeCoOlcrimsun sec01:07
crimsun(don't paste in here, of course ;)01:07
ZzeCoOlXFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Ubuntu 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu26 20041122120931 root@mcmurdo.warthogs.hbd.com)01:08
ZzeCoOlRelease Date: 15 August 200301:08
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LordOfTheNewbsstop!01:08
ZzeCoOlthis isnt xorg01:08
LordOfTheNewbsthat's enough :o01:08
ZzeCoOl:(01:08
crimsunwell, that should answer your question.01:08
ZzeCoOlyes01:08
crimsundo you have 'xserver-xorg' installed?01:08
ZzeCoOli see01:08
ZzeCoOlwhat i have to install and what to remove from synaptic so i can have xorg01:09
jdubZzeCoOl: install ubuntu-desktop01:09
ZzeCoOli dont knoe if it is better but everybody use it01:09
ZzeCoOl:P01:09
ZzeCoOlxserver-xorg or ubuntu desktop[?01:09
jacou must upgrade to hoary01:09
ZzeCoOli am in hoary01:09
jaco:)01:09
LordOfTheNewbsZzeCoOl, beware, ATI drivers might (?) not work with xorg!01:09
jacook01:09
ZzeCoOland i have a xorg config file01:09
jacosorry01:09
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ZzeCoOlyeas i know about ati01:10
ZzeCoOlcrimsun jdub  ubuntu destop or xserver-xorg?01:10
tjsanyone noticed that in hoary mono isnt installable atm?01:10
ZzeCoOlwhat package?01:10
tjsmono01:11
crimsuntjs: correct. There's someone working on it.01:11
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tjscool :)01:11
jacoZzeCoOl: u r in hoary but u haven't x.org?01:11
crimsunZzeCoOl: jdub's advice.01:11
Adrenalanyone know of any free web based web browsers?01:11
ZzeCoOlok01:11
crimsunAdrenal: err?01:11
jdubZzeCoOl: if you're running hoary, and for some reason don't have xorg, install ubuntu-desktop.01:11
Adrenallike www.anonymizer.com, but free01:11
Adrenalhttp://www.anonymizer.com/01:12
RibsAdrenal, That's a proxy, not a web browser01:12
ZzeCoOlstrange is that i have an xorg.conf in etc/X1101:12
HrdwrBoBer01:12
HrdwrBoBAdrenal: 'web based browser'01:12
techn9nearenta ll browsers web based?01:12
jacoZzeCoOl: perhaps u must update a link to X ?01:12
HrdwrBoBwhat exactly do you mean01:12
Adrenalribs:whatever, do u know of any free ones?01:12
HrdwrBoBwhatdo you want to acheive01:12
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HrdwrBoBdo you want to look at websites?01:12
Adrenalsnopes.com seems to be blocked me for some reason01:12
techn9neAdrenal: www.proxify.com01:13
HrdwrBoBwww.mozilla.org/firefox01:13
Omega11hi01:13
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HrdwrBoBAdrenal: yes, proxy01:13
Omega11ubuntu01:13
Adrenalhrdwr: check http://www.anonymizer.com/01:13
Omega11linux01:13
HrdwrBoBAdrenal: use the proxy01:13
Omega11suck?01:13
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Adrenalthats what i meant01:13
HrdwrBoByes, so use that01:13
RibsAdrenal, I have no need for one01:13
ZzeCoOlok im installing01:13
Adrenali do, thus the question01:13
techn9neOmega11: no but ppl that write sentences over multiple lines do01:13
Adrenalok, thanks tech01:13
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Adrenallater01:14
Omega11ATI GRAPHICS CARDS ARE BETTER THEN NVIDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!101:14
Omega11ATI GRAPHICS CARDS ARE BETTER THEN NVIDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!101:14
Omega11ATI GRAPHICS CARDS ARE BETTER THEN NVIDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!101:14
Omega11HAHA01:14
ZzeCoOlomg01:14
ZzeCoOlbut they dont have drivers for linux01:14
ZzeCoOlhaha01:14
HrdwrBoBOmega11: be quiet, and go away01:14
lizdeikayeah :(01:14
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crimsunZzeCoOl: don't feed the trolls.01:14
bj_they all sux compared to sudio901:14
ZzeCoOlcrimsun yes you are right01:14
ZzeCoOl:)01:14
ZzeCoOlsry01:15
HrdwrBoBbj_: you mean number 901:15
bj_whatver i forgot01:15
bj_soo oold01:15
HrdwrBoBI have one01:15
bj_me too, kept causing cmos errors01:15
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ZzeCoOlnow that i have install ubuntu-desktop i have remove xfree???01:16
ZzeCoOlbecause of the xorg package?01:16
jacoZzeCoOl: check the link to X01:16
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ZzeCoOljaco what link?01:16
Omega11u01:17
Ribsoh great, we have a troll01:17
Omega11n01:17
brian_can anyone tell me what installing a kernel image WITH PINNINGS? means?01:17
Omega11t01:17
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Ribsand no ops to deal with him01:17
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bugaZzeCoOl: you should have installed one of xfree or x8601:17
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bugasorry, one of xfree86 or xorg01:17
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Omega11l01:17
RibsOmega11, Do you get a kick out of annoying people?01:17
Omega11o01:17
Omega11l01:17
RibsOmega11, I mean, is your life so pointless and boring, you have to annoy people on IRC?01:18
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bj_bant'01:18
ZzeCoOlprobably01:18
RibsOmega11, do you REALLY have nothing better to do with your time?01:18
dc0eRibs: ignore him01:18
mchasardhi01:18
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Ribsdc0e, advice taken :)01:18
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jacoZzeCoOl /etc/X11/X symlink has to point to  /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg01:18
bj_hey howcome when someone talks to me it becomes red text01:18
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mchasardis there a new beta which works with xorg please ?01:19
bj_do you have to / msg them01:19
ZzeCoOljaco and how can i chck this?01:19
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jacols -l ZzeCoOl01:19
jacoopen a terminal01:19
dc0ebj_: your irc client must be doing that, probably to get your attention.01:19
jacocd /etc/X1101:19
jacoand ls -l01:19
ZzeCoOlok01:19
ZzeCoOlohh yes01:19
bj_it did it agin, maybe its just when you type my name01:19
ZzeCoOlit is ok01:19
jacook, so u have x.org working?01:20
ZzeCoOlnow how can i remove the xfree files?01:20
dc0ebj_: probably when it sees bj_: at the beginning of the line01:20
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arc_hi all01:20
ZzeCoOlX pointing in xorg but i have xfree running01:20
ZzeCoOlstrange ehh?01:20
bj_yeah, crazy01:20
jacommmmm strange01:20
ZzeCoOllrwxrwxrwx   1 root root    17 2005-01-17 02:14 X -> /usr/bin/X11/Xorg01:20
Ribsbj_, It's logical when you think about it01:20
arc_does anybody has problems with sound and pmud's suspend with ubuntu ppc?01:20
jacohow u know that u r runninf xfree?01:21
ZzeCoOlohh01:21
=== LordOfTheNewbs has added Omega11 to his ignore list - cool feature
Ribsbj_, It's a nice way of letting you know someone is taking to you, and to alert you to it01:21
ZzeCoOlit is ok now01:21
ZzeCoOli have xorg01:21
arc_I'm using an ibook01:21
bj_yeah i know. its just cool01:21
jaco???????? ZzeCoOl ????01:21
ZzeCoOlbut what about this xorg thing is it better than xfree?01:21
Omega11:z01:21
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jacoZzeCoOl: x.org use vector01:21
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bj_w00t user ignored01:21
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ZzeCoOlthat means?01:21
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jacomore fast, more effects01:21
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ZzeCoOlnice01:22
Omega11s01:22
jacoand the license is different01:22
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=== Omega11 was kicked off #ubuntu by jdub (jdub)
ZzeCoOlhahaah01:22
Ribsabout time01:22
ZzeCoOlhahaahahah01:22
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arc_jdub: nice work :P01:22
ZzeCoOljdub  :))01:22
ZzeCoOlclean and fresh01:22
ZzeCoOl:>01:22
ZzeCoOlhehe01:22
LordOfTheNewbslong live jdub!01:22
jacojdub u r a bad man :)01:22
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ZzeCoOlomg01:23
Ribsjdub, now it's time to learn the ban part of a kickban ;)01:23
jdubZzeCoOl: the major differences are new extensions such as DAMAGE, XEVIE, COMPOSITE and XFIXES01:23
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mchasardplease whats the difference betwenn ubuntu 4.10 a,d gnoppix 0.8.2.2 ?01:23
Omega11do01:23
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ZzeCoOljdub  im not a linux expert can u just tell me the easy part of it?01:23
Omega11world01:23
jdubOmega11: cool it please01:23
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Omega11omega01:23
Omega11im the Omega01:23
Omega11:)01:23
jdubOmega11: this is inappropriate behaviour here, please read our code of conduct01:24
Omega11fuck you coc01:24
Ribsyou think he doesn't know that?01:24
ZzeCoOlU are actualy the last letter01:24
ZzeCoOlstupid01:24
RibsHe just wants attention01:24
Ribssomething he doesn't get in the real world01:24
ZzeCoOlalpha vita gama delta....blah blah blah01:24
jdubRibs: keep it nice please01:24
Ribs*shrug*01:24
sulkdhttp://www.moresecurity.org/~henry/fluffy.JPG <-- Omega1101:24
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elocalazureus for ubuntu?01:24
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Omega11no im the guy at www.goat.cx01:24
Ribsjdub, just calling it how I see it. I've seen his type hundreds of times before...01:25
ZzeCoOlelocal yes they is01:25
Omega11thats my ass01:25
ZzeCoOl:>01:25
Omega11on there01:25
ZzeCoOlthere is*01:25
elocalZzeCoOl, awesome01:25
regeyaactually that would be goatse.cx01:25
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RibsWhy you are putting up with it this long amazes me01:25
Omega11goatse.cx is gone01:25
mchasardso ubuntu 4.1 or gnoppix 0.8.2.2 ?01:25
Omega11its goat.cx now01:25
regeyagiw01:25
mchasardis it the same ?01:25
jdubZzeCoOl: there's not a lot of qualitative difference until COMPOSITE supports more hardware, and more software starts using the extensions01:25
mchasardplease ...01:25
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jdubmchasard: new gnoppix releases are based on ubuntu01:25
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ZzeCoOlok thank u jdub01:25
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jdubOmega11: cut it out please01:25
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brian_can anyone tell me what installing a kernel image WITH PINNINGS? means?01:25
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Omega11401:26
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regeyabless you jdub01:26
brian_ty01:26
chibif1Win <301:26
jdubsorry folks, not something we do or want to see often01:26
mchasardok ...so gnoppix has newest version ?01:26
=== mode/#ubuntu [-o jdub] by jdub
ZzeCoOlmay the force be with u jdub  alwayss.....01:26
NewbieOnSteroidseveryone put him in your ignore list...01:26
DonLhope it works this time01:26
elocalZzeCoOl, is there a .deb? or nasty(uncontrolled) manual install?01:26
dc0ebrian_: see /etc/apt/preferences -- you can 'pin' a package to a release or version or origin, etc.01:26
mchasardthe 001:26
jaco:)01:26
jdubmchasard: there is an alpha release of gnoppix that is based on hoary and our new livecd infrastructure01:26
sulkdso when is the world getting destroyed?01:26
regeyaI mean I could have ignored Omegall and all, but that sort of situation is what ops ared for. :-)01:26
regeyaare even01:26
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sulkdseems a bit of an anticlimax01:27
mchasardthe 0.9.3.b1 hoary has trouble with xorg for me ...01:27
techn9neis hoary going oth ave a new installer?01:27
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techn9neive encountered a lot of computers where i cant install ubuntu at all01:27
jdubtechn9ne: improved, but not new01:27
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sulkdcaptain_ron, ooh very inventive that01:27
mchasardicant go till the end of boot ...01:27
jdubtechn9ne: file bugs please, so we can fix the problems01:27
jaco674 / 934 i'm near to hoary :)01:27
jdubhey jmhodges01:27
brian_because (yes im still working on this wacom thing) says i need to install 2.6.10 with pinnings, now i installed the image and restricted modules that all i need?01:27
techn9newhere do i file bugs?01:27
ZzeCoOljaco be prepared to face hell and disaster01:27
ZzeCoOlhaahahah01:28
bj_ooh, sincce there are people in here tonight... I know you haveto enable composite in xorg.conf. what about damage and the otherones01:28
ZzeCoOlj/k01:28
jacoZzeCoOl: argh!!!!! why?01:28
jdubbj_: type 'xdpyinfo | less'01:28
chibif1Wacom support is important, I don't have any other mice :P01:28
ZzeCoOli had some problems01:28
ZzeCoOlbut hoary rocks01:28
jmhodgesheya Jdub01:28
ZzeCoOl:>01:28
jacowhat type of problems?01:28
ZzeCoOleverything is latest version and rock01:28
ZzeCoOlwith gnome  menus01:28
ZzeCoOland ati driver01:28
ZzeCoOl:)01:28
jdubbj_: under 'number of extensions', it will almost certainly list DAMAGE, XFIXES, etc.01:28
swimhi folks, just installed warty, need to get my touchpad working... anyone wanna help? :)01:29
spiralThe following packages have been kept back:01:29
spiral  libdbd-mysql-perl01:29
spiralis it normal ?01:29
jacommmmm.....01:29
jdubbj_: have you used the remote desktop feature in gnome?01:29
bj_nothing came up01:29
randabisGraal Porn01:29
spiralswim: synaptics driver...01:29
bj_jdub: no01:29
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swimspiral it seems to be installed01:29
randabisI like cheap porn01:29
jdubbj_: the new version of it uses DAMAGE, and significantly less CPU :)01:29
chibif1randabis - o_O;.. Little link sprites pulling rocks?01:29
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jacowhat's DAMAGE?01:30
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spiralswim: is your X config file ready for synaptics ?01:30
bj_xdpinfo says command not found01:30
jdubjaco: it's an extension that reports areas of change on the x server01:30
jdubbj_: xdpyinfo01:30
swimspiral, mmm didnt add anyting so I guess not?01:30
dc0ebj_: xdpyinfo01:30
bj_hah yeah doh01:30
jacoah.. ok,, i've understood01:30
jdubjaco: so for a client-side vnc server, that's a huge win - it doesn't have to poll the entire screen or entire windows01:31
mchasardso which version its better to download  ?01:31
jacoyes, i've understood01:31
jdubmchasard: do you want it for testing, or regular use?01:31
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HrdwrBoBespecailly for large resolutions01:31
jonohi all01:31
bj_jdub: thanks, everything seems to be in order01:31
HrdwrBoBanything >800x600 without the extensions will eat your CPU01:32
jonoanyone experiencing problems running apache in hoary right now?01:32
GammaRayanyone else notice that apt-get remove is about as bas as start -> shutdown?01:32
mchasardi like news ...version01:32
HrdwrBoBGammaRay: not really01:32
jdubmchasard: if you want to test the devel branch livecd, i'd recommend pulling the hoary version01:32
HrdwrBoBGammaRay: if it bothers you, alias apt-remove="apt-get remove"01:32
GammaRayHrdwrBoB: how suprising :-P01:32
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jdubGammaRay: you could use aptitude install/remove instead01:33
spiralGammaRay: lol01:33
spiralany idea for my problem ? libdbd-mysql-perl ?01:33
kentjdub, are those xorg extension enabled by default in Hoary?  i see no mention of them in my xorg.conf.  what should i do to turn them on?01:33
jdubspiral: i missed it, what was the problem?01:33
mchasardand for a regulat use its better to take the warty ?01:33
dc0eGammaRay: apt-get install packagename- is even more intuitive01:33
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mchasardbye you , you can boot without xorg troubles ?01:34
jdubkent: the only ones that need to be manually enabled are COMPOSITE and EVIE01:34
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jdubmchasard: the warty livecd is mostly okay01:34
mchasardwith the last one haory01:34
repeteWhere can I download the development release of Ubuntu?01:34
bj_ooh, whats this evei01:34
spiraljdub: it doesn't want to upgrade it when doing dist-upgrade01:34
stuNNed_what would cause bus latency with modem driver?01:34
stuNNed_dbus?01:34
spiral"libdbd-mysql-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.6.1"01:34
jdubmchasard: but if you specifically want xorg, use the hoary one01:34
ZzeCoOli need a package that have windows fonts01:34
ZzeCoOllike arial01:34
HrdwrBoBZzeCoOl: install msttcorefonts01:35
jacottfonts ZzeCoOl01:35
ZzeCoOlaahhhh01:35
ZzeCoOlyes01:35
jacoon sourceforge01:35
ZzeCoOlyesss that waz the name01:35
jdubbj_: input mangling01:35
ZzeCoOl:>>>01:35
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jdubjaco: in multiverse01:35
kentjdub, and is there documents on ubuntus homepage about turning composite and evie on?01:35
techn9necan you get java jre via apt-get ?01:35
mchasardok thanks ...i will seee tomorrow ...cause here in france its later in the night ..01:35
bj_ohh, i read about that. useless right now right?01:35
jacoin multiverse :) sorry i'm a newbye with ubuntu01:35
stuNNed_or what causes bus latency rather?01:35
swimfolks how do I start nautilus-cd burner?01:35
jdubkent: xevie won't be useful for you, but there are lots of googleable documents about how to turn COMPOSITE on01:35
DonLHave they got Hoary X-org sorted with the Nvidia drivers?01:35
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HrdwrBoBswim: insert a blank CD01:36
ZzeCoOlHrdwrBoB do you know any repository that have this package?01:36
jdubDonL: works for me01:36
jacojdub: how to enalble COMPOSITE and EVIE in hoary?01:36
HrdwrBoBswim: it's also under 'places'01:36
HrdwrBoBZzeCoOl: I think it's un universe or multiverse01:36
jdubjaco: there are lots of googleable documents that will help01:36
jacook, :-(01:36
swimHrdwrBoB, thx01:36
DonLThat's good jdub. I had nothing but problems with that situation in Fedora01:36
ZzeCoOlit isnt01:36
jacoi was only curious01:36
ZzeCoOlcasue i have them and i cant find them01:36
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ZzeCoOland i cant find it*01:36
swimHrdwrBoB, will that work to burn dvds?01:36
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HrdwrBoBswim: yes01:37
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chibif1Data DVD or movie dvd?01:37
jacoZzeCoOl: in /etc/apt/source.list uncomment multiverse01:37
HrdwrBoBswim: assuming you just want DVDs with files on them01:37
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, hi, would dbus cause bus latency or maybe something in laptop bios?01:37
DonLGammaRay, lol01:37
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swimHrdwrBoB, for the most part yes...01:37
ZzeCoOljaco it is allready01:38
ZzeCoOl..01:38
HrdwrBoBstuNNed_: unlikely01:38
Stew2How do I add support in Ubuntu warty for a Adaptec 2940 card and Yamaha CRW4416S I just added?01:38
swimhmmm no amarok in any of the repositories?01:38
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, probly kernel related?01:38
runeneswebmin is automatically setup with the root password, but there is no root password (?), anyone know how to set the password for webmin?01:38
HrdwrBoBhighly likely, most issues with laptops are ACPI etc issues01:38
ZzeCoOlHrdwrBoB u are right ....for a strange reason multiverse stuck at warty01:39
Stew2runenes sudo passwd root01:39
ZzeCoOlthank u HrdwrBoB01:39
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, k thanks can i disable acpi or?01:39
jacorunenes in /usr/share/webimin there is a changepasswd.plg01:39
ZzeCoOlfinialy with hoary my computer turn off properly01:39
jacorunenes in /usr/share/webimin there is a changepasswd.pl01:39
runenesjaco, thx I'll try01:40
mchasardok thanks for your information i have to go01:40
mchasardgoodnight01:40
HrdwrBoBstuNNed_: yes, you can add acpi=off to the kernel line01:40
DonLZzeCool, never had that problem (shutting off)01:40
jacoehm changepass.pl is the right file :)01:40
jdubstuNNed_: no, dbus would not cause hardware bus latency, they're entirely unrelated.01:40
HrdwrBoBstuNNed_: either in the /boot/grub/menu.lst or edit the line for a once off test on boot01:40
chibif1jdub - Any new plans for the xfce ubuntu doohicky?01:40
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, that's it don't need to uninstall anything?01:40
HrdwrBoBno01:40
jdubchibif1: still trying to get in touch with people01:41
swimhmm Im running warty, but Id like to install amarok, (to use in gnome) is it ok if I install it via: deb http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/ hoary universe  ?01:41
ZzeCoOlDonL it depents on the motherboard01:41
crimsunchibif1: doohicky? :-)01:41
runenesjaco, it worked thank you !01:41
DonLAhh. I see.01:41
jdubswim: no, mixing repos is going to hurt01:41
jaco:)01:41
swimjdub, is there any other way to install amarok?01:41
chibif1I guess we're putting together an XFCE desktop/Live disc built around Ubuntu. :o01:41
brian_can i install hoary apps in warty?01:42
crimsunchibif1: interesting. Basing it off xfld?01:42
Stew2Is there something I have to do after adding a PCI scsi card (adaptec) and a Yamaha 4x4x16 scsi burner to my PC desktop with Ubuntu Warty?01:42
NewbieOnSteroidsswim, it might have been backported?01:42
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, thanks!  last time tried to acpi=off things got squirrely, should try to install apmd and use that instead?01:42
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ZzeCoOlbrian_ no they have diff deps versions01:42
stuNNed_jdub, ok thanks01:42
crimsunchibif1: or just porting the XFce bits to the ubuntu livecd?01:42
chibif1Probably porting XFCE bits to the live disc and ubuntu-izing it.01:42
HrdwrBoBstuNNed_: you can load apm after you boot01:43
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, ok, trying now thanks, can't believe modem connection lasted this long :D01:43
crimsunchibif1: interesting. I'm sure Benny would like to know.01:43
chibif1Benny does know :P01:43
swimNewbieOnSteroids, so just if I can find it googling?01:43
dc0ebrian_: apt-get source and then build them on warty, that'll create the right dependencies if the maintainer did his job correctly.01:44
brian_what about muine (musicplayer)01:44
chibif1Mentioned it to him earlier yesterday. :D01:44
crimsunchibif1: ah, excellent.01:44
brian_it has all dependedcies satisfied01:44
brian_ok01:44
DonLSpeaking of google, has anyone tried Scroogle?01:44
NewbieOnSteroidsswim, no idea, i dont have amarok01:44
Stew2If I add a pci scsi card to my system with a yamaha burner, is there something I need to do to get it working?01:44
ZzeCoOlDonL no what is this?01:44
brian_scroogle?01:44
swimis anyone using amarok?01:44
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DonLStrips the commercial stuff of Google, and doesn't give you cookies01:45
crimsunStew2: you may need to adjust which device to burn with, but that's about it.01:45
chibif1That's mean. I want cookies. :o01:45
dc0eDonL: nice, where is it?01:45
brian_oh heh nvm i clicked muine and i get a whole bunch of upgrades to do and stuff to install01:45
Stew2It doesn't show up as a device in Computer, Disks01:45
DonLLet me find it..01:46
ZzeCoOlno it is a stupid site with an american hero or something01:46
ZzeCoOlomg01:46
ZzeCoOl!!!!01:46
ZzeCoOlwww.scroogle.com01:46
ZzeCoOlyou maybe mean .org?01:46
DonLhttp://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm01:46
dc0eDonL: and ZzeCoOl: thanks01:46
DonLDon't know if it's legal, but it works. You're welcome01:47
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dc0eDonL: how could it not be legal.  I'm free to ignore anything i want.01:47
ZzeCoOldc0e about what??01:47
NewbieOnSteroidsDonL,  Google would not appreciate01:47
DonLdc0e, guess you're right01:47
DonLNewbieOnSteroids, probably not01:47
ZzeCoOlnahhhh01:47
ZzeCoOli like google more01:47
ZzeCoOli like google's eye kandy01:48
ZzeCoOl:>01:48
DonLDon't get me wrong. I've always liked google01:48
brian_why scrap the stuff off?01:48
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brian_and isnt this using google's bandwidth01:48
Stew2What's a good CD Burner package for Ubunty Linux?01:48
DonLWell, they only save where you've been for a week or so01:48
brian_GRAVEMAN01:48
brian_for burning01:48
Stew2brian_ It doesn't come up in the package manager01:49
brian_google is theres ubuntu files at the site01:49
ZzeCoOlStew2 k3b ...but u may have problem with your login01:49
brian_you have to add the source at the website01:49
chibif1K3B doesn't install on warty :P01:49
brian_k3b u need a whole bunch of kde stuff better stick with a gnome based one01:49
DonLI installed it, chibif101:49
brian_scresto.site.voila.fr/gravemanuk.html01:50
regeyasuggest an equivalent or better gui burner than k3b01:50
chibif1I attempted it yesterday. :P01:50
crimsunregeya: graveman.01:50
regeyakde seems to mean 'leprosy' in ubuntu-speak01:50
brian_ive been saying graveman! haha01:50
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DonLI just wanted to look at it. I don't have a burner so I dumped it after I had a look01:50
regeyaI'll take a look.01:51
jacoZzeCoOl: if u run K3bsetup from a non root user it change the permission on Xauthorithy01:51
jacoso u can't login01:51
brian_this is the simplest burning utility ever01:51
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regeyaI believe I said "equivalent or better"01:51
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NewbieOnSteroidsbrian_, looks neat01:51
jacoif u ve this error simply put the right permission on Xautorithy from a root login01:51
regeyathen again I don't guess I need nice integrated DVD tools, eh (not that that works out of the box on warty anyway)01:51
brian_the only thing i guess k3b has is dvd burning01:52
jaco853 / 934 i'm near to the end01:52
jacoARgh01:52
regeyathen again, a dvd is a dvd more or less01:52
ZzeCoOljaco .icexathority or sonmething is the file that is resposible for the k3b problem01:52
regeyathey're all data disks01:52
ZzeCoOlu have to deleted01:53
ZzeCoOland thats all01:53
regeyalooks like a nice util01:53
brian_clean eh?01:53
regeyabrian_: other than that, it looks nice01:53
jacoZzeCoOl: is only a problem of permission01:53
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Stew2graveman ./configure says I need an XML Parser.01:53
brian_http://www.grawert.net/ubuntu/dists/warty/universe/binary-i386/graveman_0.2-ubuntu2_i386.deb01:54
brian_theres a binary :)01:54
ZzeCoOlso u have to change the permission of ~ .ICEathority file or something?01:54
jacoyes01:54
jaco.XAuthorithy01:54
jacoi think01:54
ZzeCoOli thing ICExathority01:54
ZzeCoOlor something01:54
ZzeCoOl:>01:54
GammaRayhow would I play a .wav w/ a chewey dts inside?01:54
brian_http://www.coaster-burn.org/ is the only other burner i can recomend but no deb files01:55
jaco907/934 we in Italy we say "speriamo che me la cavo"01:55
regeyaI've been looking into writing a nice drag-and-drop app.  drag, say, a folder onto a desktop icon, and if it has, say, "AUDIO_TS" and "VIDEO_TS" folders, burn a DVD.  or drop .mp3, .wav, .flac, or .ogg files onto it, and it wants to do the right thing.  and so on.  Think it would be difficult but worth it01:55
jacouaaaaaa01:56
Stew2brian_ What do I do with the .deb file once I download it?01:56
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, this is a tad bit older laptop, first time i got apm to load in ubuntu!  i think before was using pci=noacpi or something01:56
jaco924... i'll reboot on hoary in few minutes01:56
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jacomaro01:56
HrdwrBoBstuNNed_: ahh yep01:56
jacomaro'01:56
ZzeCoOljaco hope i can see u in here ....01:56
jacogod save my laptop01:56
ZzeCoOl:>01:56
HrdwrBoBstuNNed_: apm and acpi are mutually exclusive01:56
jaco:)01:56
ZzeCoOlsoon01:56
GammaRayStew2: dpkg -i01:56
jacoi goooooooOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooo sighhhhhhh01:57
jaco:)01:57
HrdwrBoBregeya: that is the future, unfortunately it doesn't exist atm01:57
ZzeCoOlhehe01:57
kenthey, i got compisite working in Hoary in no-time. Its realy looking nice with those shadows :)01:57
arc_it's slow01:57
arc_:P01:57
HrdwrBoBkent: and it runs... like molasses01:57
HrdwrBoBshadows are the perfect way to pretend you're using a machine half as fast as it is01:57
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GammaRaycan anyone using gtk 2.6 comment on the supposed speedups?01:59
Stew2How do I set the default browser if I have Firefox and Mozilla installed?01:59
kentHrdwrBoB, well, my computer is sort of fast, and i dont realy did not notice that much in speed-change.02:00
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HrdwrBoBthis POS is a P4 2.8 and I noticed it a lot02:00
DonLStew2, Desktop Preferences, Preferred Applications02:00
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NewbieOnSteroidsHrdwrBoB, maybe the video card is important factor02:01
jdubGammaRay: there are specific, targeted optimisation improvements, but not on the whole02:01
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HrdwrBoBNewbieOnSteroids: it is, but it doesn't matter what you do, it's still slow02:01
parazoidI need a good sid-player with a GUI02:02
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, more verbose error in syslog something like 'acpi support killed modem connection, try acpi=off kernel command' would be nice :P02:02
HrdwrBoBstuNNed_: it's not that easy unfortunately02:03
kentHrdwrBoB, i have a Athlon 2.8+ and it runs fast on my machine, but perhaps im a bit optimistic.. i dont know. I like it when it looks good :)02:03
DonLkent, maybe I missed it. What gui are you using02:04
NewbieOnSteroidskent, as long as you have the choice02:04
kentDonL, Gnome from Hoary.02:05
DonLAh. okay.02:05
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brian_help! i installed ubuntu hoary kernel and i cant get into X give me error02:06
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HrdwrBoBbrian_: and you're using the nvidia drivers?02:06
DonLrunning Nvidia, brian?02:06
brian_yes..02:06
DonLsnap02:06
brian_why?02:06
Stew2Where do I get an ISO for hoary that I can burn and install. The computer is hooked to the internet.02:07
jdubbrian_: because the nvidia drivers use a kernel module - pretty important02:07
DonLYou might have to go to Nvidia's site and read their how-to02:07
jdubbrian_: ensure you have l-r-m for your kernel version02:07
HrdwrBoBDonL: that isn't recommended02:07
jdubDonL: no need, we ship the drivers02:07
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jdubbrian_: what cpu do you have?02:07
DonLOh really? HrdwrBoB?02:07
brian_i68602:07
HrdwrBoBDonL: no, because you will break stuff, trust me on this02:07
DonLCool! I didn't know that.02:07
jdubbrian_: install linux-68602:08
jdubbrian_: that will pull in the right l-r-m02:08
brian_ok becuase i did not use metapackages02:08
jdubbrian_: and will help upgrades in the future02:08
DonLso maybe my hesitation at installing Hoary is unfounded02:09
brian_the only thing that installs is the metapackage no actual content02:09
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jdubbrian_: and the meta package depends02:09
bj_hoary rocks!02:10
brian_it did not prompt me to install anything else02:10
Stew2Do I burn http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/daily-installer-i386/20041227ubuntu5.0.20050114/images/netboot/mini.iso and use that to install hoary?02:10
brian_ill check manually02:10
DonLbj_, I was hoping that02:10
randabisI like my hoary02:10
randabisbut, I can't get doom3 working02:10
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Grevi like hoary, other than a couple of display bugs02:11
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jacook02:12
jacoi'm an hoary man02:12
jacobut nothing seems to work02:12
jaco:)02:12
jacoZzeCoOl:02:12
jacor u there?02:12
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, welp, you hit the nail on the head!  acpi issues it was, it seems! thanks! :D02:12
repeteI'm going to attempt installing hoary only because I cannot install warty :-/02:13
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ZzeCoOlwow02:13
jacoi haven't menu with hoary02:13
repeteLive CD works great, but warty doesn't boot...02:13
ZzeCoOljaco02:13
jacowhat's up?02:13
jacoZzeCoOl: help02:13
ZzeCoOlmenu?02:13
jacomenu, fonts....02:13
ZzeCoOlwait02:13
jacoi've only my terminal02:13
ZzeCoOland how did you get xchat working02:13
ZzeCoOl?02:13
DonLWhere did you get your cd's repete?02:13
ZzeCoOlit a bitch x?02:13
jacox is started02:13
jacobut i haven't gnome i think02:14
ZzeCoOljust a sec02:14
repeteDonL, from Mid-Western US mirror02:14
brian_ok now all i got is a bunch of metapackages installed that was dependednt of the linux image from hoary and restricted modules :/02:14
jacook02:14
swimhay folks, Im unable to get my touchpad to work, I followed howtos and still unable, dmesg|grep touchpad returns: ts: Compaq touchscreen protocol output... help?02:14
ZzeCoOlpkill -u $USER02:14
repeteDonL, it worked great on a laptop.  Just not on my desktop.02:14
ZzeCoOlfirst kill X02:14
ZzeCoOland then02:14
DonLOkay02:14
ZzeCoOlfirst kill X02:14
ZzeCoOlpkill -u $USER02:14
jacook, just a moment02:14
ZzeCoOland starx02:14
jdubbrian_: which linux-* packages do you have installed now?02:14
swimanyone?02:16
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DonLnot me, swim, sorry02:16
randabisdunno, my touchpad just worked02:17
jdubbrian_: with the latest 2.6.10 stuff, it should work02:17
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jdubworks fine here02:18
jdubwonder if he's loaded the nvidia driver02:18
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randabisprobably not :p02:18
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crypticreignno chkconfig?02:18
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jaconothing to do ZzeCoOl02:18
jacosigh02:18
randabisI just wish I could get friggin' doom3 working02:18
ZzeCoOldamn02:19
DonLAre you running it through an emulator, randabis?02:19
ZzeCoOltry install ubuntu desktop02:19
ZzeCoOlor gnome again02:19
jacomm ok02:19
crypticreignhmm catn find rcconf in apt02:20
crypticreign*cant02:20
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ZzeCoOlit is ubuntu-desktop actually02:21
GuBAhello i need help with my HSP56 MR...02:21
HrdwrBoBGuBA: your what?02:22
HrdwrBoBmodem02:22
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GuBAHrdwrBoB, yes... is a winmodem ...02:23
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stuNNed_GuBA, what is the problem?02:23
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GuBAHrdwrBoB, I have installed it with driver slmodem in other distributions... but in ubuntu I have not been able02:24
randabisDonL no, native linux pork02:24
randabisport02:24
randabislol02:24
HrdwrBoBGuBA: what happens if you sudo modprobe slmodem02:24
GuBAstuNNed, I cannot install it...02:24
jdubbrian_: lsmod | grep nvidia02:25
DonLlol. I didn't know they made a version for Linux02:25
HrdwrBoBhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto02:25
randabisthey did, and it usually works very well, but I haven't been able to get it working at all in hoary02:25
DonLYou don't mean Quake 3 do you?02:25
Stew2Hey for Hoary, do I simply burn and run http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/daily-installer-i386/20041227ubuntu5.0.20050114/images/netboot/mini.iso?02:26
randabisno, I mean Doom 302:27
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randabisnative port's been out for months02:27
DonLOkay. Didnt know that02:27
GuBAHrdwrBoB, I am not in Ubuntu ... what driver or package I need to install the modem02:27
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brian_should i upgrade the nvidia-glx stuff to hoary version?02:29
GuBAHrdwrBoB,  ok... had not seen the Link02:29
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jdubbrian_: um... are you running hoary or not?02:30
jdubbrian_: if you're trying to mix repos, then yes, you're going to have problems02:30
jdubbrian_: not a good idea02:30
brian_warty02:31
brian_uh oh02:31
jdubwarty's drivers work fine02:31
randabisif you want new stuff, upgrade to hoary, it's either all or none02:31
brian_ok02:32
brian_so i guess i cant get 2.6.10 on warty working can i02:32
DonLjdub, does an upgrade work okay? Just wondering02:32
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jdubDonL: should do; what doesn't is a bug.02:33
DonLGood Thanks02:33
Guardiannthere are some issues with upgrading to warty I believe02:33
jdubgenerally people don't upgrade to warty02:33
jdubit's not recommended02:33
jdubbetter to do a fresh install02:33
DonLThat would be downgrading, wouldn't it?02:33
Guardianni mean hoary :)02:34
jdubDonL: cross-grading, ie. coming from another distro02:34
DonLOh yeah. I wouldn't try that02:34
Guardiannarnt there sound problems with hoary02:34
DonLIt's just that other distro's I've used don't successfully upgrade02:34
randabisno sound problems here02:35
Guardiannhave seen many posts concerning it02:35
brian_http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WacomTabletIssue  says : Or, you could just install an 2.6.10 image from hoary (with pinning), which should require no hotplug/blacklist editing, nor doing anything special...thats why im trying to get 2.6.10 installed on warty so is it possible?02:35
jdubDonL: debian has always been geared for this, ubuntu's goals are no different wrt online upgrades.02:36
jdubbrian_: it is possible, but not recommended, and if you need things like nvidia drivers working, then you're in trouble.02:36
DonLThat's what I thought, jdub, and what I was hoping for. I like this distro a lot.02:36
Stew2WHERE CAN I get an ISO for hoary?02:37
pavkontiit is not released02:38
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randabisyou can get daily isos of hoary here...02:39
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randabishttp://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/02:40
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dudis it plain old impossible to get flash working on amd64?02:41
sbrathI'm finishing up the setup of a new US mirror and wondered if anyone would volunteer to look at it to see if it looks like I got everything...02:41
dudtried gplflash, but that crashed firefox all the time...02:41
DonLdud, I'm using K7 and the only thing that brings down Firefox is some of the video stuff02:43
DonL...using MPlayer02:43
dudflashplayer-mozilla wont work for me, as macromedia havent released a 64bit version02:44
tritiummdz, you there02:45
tritium?02:45
ZzeCoOlfirefox only let me to do 2 downloads together ...does anyone knows how to change this?02:45
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mebaranAnyone know how to increase the length of the bars in Gnome?02:46
mebaranYou know the minimized app bars02:46
dudi think that might be sort of a "bug" mebaran02:46
dudeg, it only shows one letter and three dots02:46
randabisnah you can change it easy02:47
ZzeCoOlno it isnt02:47
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dudhow...?02:47
tritiumsbrath, could you post the URL?02:47
randabisright click to the left of the the bar02:47
randabisclick preferences --> size02:47
dudsize changes the vertical size02:47
ZzeCoOldud naxt to the show me desktop button is a seperator02:47
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ZzeCoOlnaxt next02:48
ZzeCoOlright click there02:48
ZzeCoOland then click size02:48
ZzeCoOl:>02:48
mebaranI found it02:48
ZzeCoOleasy02:48
mebaranmy minimum size was too low02:48
mebaranwell it was rather odd02:48
Ex-CyberHrdwrBoB: well, I tried fglrx just for kicks... GL's a bit faster, but 2D's still extremely slow02:48
dudah, sweet that did the trick02:48
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ZzeCoOl:)02:49
ZzeCoOlu see02:49
ZzeCoOlizzy02:49
ZzeCoOl:>02:49
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brian_got 2.6.10 working with my nvidia02:49
brian_:D02:49
DonLWhat did you do, brian?02:49
randabismeh I told them how :p02:50
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ZzeCoOli hope i cant do the same with ATi and Xorg02:50
ZzeCoOl:)02:50
brian_i installed the hoary nvidia drivers thats it02:50
DonLExcellent!02:50
brian_now i got 2.6.10 on a warty install02:50
HrdwrBoBEx-Cyber: sounds like an inherent system problem02:51
Ex-CyberHrdwrBoB: whatever it is, I didn't have it with Gentoo / x.org02:51
brian_omg my wacom works with the hoary kernel!02:51
mebaranhaha02:51
brian_yea!02:51
mebaranbrian_: how is the wacom tablet02:51
DonLIt was for me in the past, HrdwrBoB. Looks like the Ubuntu bunch have it sorted02:51
mebaranI have been wanting to get one02:51
mebaranbut I was unsure of its compatibility or if it was really fully supported02:52
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mebaranit does like rather cool02:52
mebaranso have you had a good experience with it02:52
brian_it's pretty good it comes with photoshop elements too02:52
brian_the only problem is the crappy mouse that came with it02:52
mebaranon hoary 2.6.10 (like me)02:52
mebaranI already have a logitech mouse02:52
brian_and it took all week to get it working with ubuntu02:52
mebaranbut does Linux do the pressure readings02:52
mebaranand all that fancy stuff02:52
brian_oh if you have hoary itll work out of the box02:53
mebaranyeah02:53
mebaranI took a week to get Hoary to work02:53
mebaranI paid my dues02:53
tritiumThe battery charge monitor applet doesn't show the status of both of my batteries.  Just the primary one...02:53
brian_the preassure and stuff works after you add this as a device to xf config file02:53
DonLYou sacrificed for us, mebaran02:53
Ex-CyberHrdwrBoB: besides, if it was a hardware problem the 3D should be choking too... I think this is some stupidity in XF8602:54
mebaranDonL: haha I did?02:54
brian_irght now its just working as a mouse02:54
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DonLlol02:54
mebaranif so I expect payment02:54
knghtbrder02:54
knghtbrdGergKH02:54
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DonLThat's why I really like this channel. So much help02:54
knghtbrd2.6.10 + USB == bad!02:54
mebaranknghtbrd: how so02:55
brian_why?02:55
neighborleeanyone have clue about why I can't get audio from this episode preview under media library on this page: http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/VOY/episode/119403.html < ??? thx anyone for any help with this...;-))02:55
jacoZzeCoOl: woorksssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss02:55
jacoubuntu is great!02:55
jaco:)02:55
jacohoary is great:)02:55
ZzeCoOl:)02:55
ZzeCoOlhehe02:55
jacofont now r perfect02:55
ZzeCoOli had the same problem02:55
ZzeCoOl:>02:55
knghtbrdmebaran: I think it has to do with some patch that was reverted ISTR around 2.6.7 and then put back02:55
jacothe problem was k3b02:55
ZzeCoOlaha02:55
jacoit conflict with an openoffice package02:56
jacoand stop the upgrade02:56
brian_now is there a way to uninstall the original linux 386 kernel ?02:56
knghtbrdmebaran: I'll have to find Zeph Hull to get him to explain it to me.  I haven't had a working system before ... Yesterday.02:56
mebaranyou can02:56
mebaranknghtbrd: so USB just sort of failed02:57
knghtbrdmebaran: well, using it I get no keyboard and mouse (even though they exist), and when switching my input devices to PS/2 they work, but I can't use my Palms02:57
DonLneighborlee, I get "file not found". Seems like it's not there02:57
knghtbrdmebaran: so basically yes  =D02:57
mebaranoh02:57
jacoi go sleep02:57
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mebaranknghtbrd: did you make sure to load usb-hid02:58
mebaranhad the same problem on yoper02:58
jacohave a great night everyone02:58
mebaranfor my mouse as I always use a USB keyboard02:58
knghtbrdmebaran: It loads itself on Ubuntu if needed02:58
mebaranwell sometimes my autodetection was weird02:58
mebaranUbuntu was the first system to actually succeed02:58
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mebaranat finding all my toys02:58
DonLI'm going now.02:58
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knghtbrdI don't think it's autodetection on Ubuntu.  I bet they cram the HID module in if they see USB ports.  It's the safe solution02:59
DonLThanks for all your help02:59
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mebaranmaybe02:59
mebarannot my area of expertise02:59
neighborleeDonL: you must be clicking it wrong..its opening here fine when I right click ( in xchat ) : open in browser::03:00
neighborleeoops03:00
neighborleegrrr he left...ha no wonder tab complete wasn't working right..shrug03:00
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brian_omg how do i install all these kernels? the keep installing others..03:00
brian_they*03:00
knghtbrdmebaran: no longer mine either.  Two years ago I could have built a distribution from scratch.  I did, more than once, one even had a 32 machine userbase(!), but I left the platform for awhile and the world has changed.03:01
danielsknghtbrd: er, we just do it with USB hotplug03:02
danielsknghtbrd: if someone plugs a USB HID device in, we load it through hotplug03:02
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knghtbrddaniels: Oh crap  =D03:02
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knghtbrddaniels: well apparently hotplug works most of the time now  ;)03:02
cmrhi, does anyone know a way to set the default gtk-2.0 font on a per-application basis?03:03
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knghtbrdcmr: I remember sortof, but not specifics..03:03
Andeee^Can anyone help me please, I have downloaded and burned the Live cd, and when i reboot, it just loads windows. I changed the boot priority to go to cd-rom first. But it just wont detect it. Its as if it cannot see my cd-rom :/03:04
brian_cmr i think theres a setting for that in gconf03:04
cmrthanks03:04
brian_but im not shure03:04
knghtbrdAndeee^: it might be that your cdrom will not boot?03:04
wastrelmy PAGER env variable is set to less and less is set for my pager in /etc/alternatives, but when i get a long list in tab completion it uses more03:05
mebaranif it will boot from floppy03:05
mebarantry the Smart Boot Manager03:05
mebaranvery easy and simple to use03:05
Andeee^i tried it03:05
MutantXAre USB 1.1 mouse and keyboards easy to setup in Linux/Ubuntu?03:05
knghtbrdcmr: the specifics I don't remember involve modifying the gtkrc with a specific match what includes the app's name, kinda like Xresources.  You'd need someone else to tell you what exactly the incantation is.03:05
Andeee^but it came with a error03:05
danielsMutantX: you shouldn't need to set anything up03:05
mebaranAndeee^: are you sure that you burned the CD correctly03:05
knghtbrdcmr: looking at themes will tell you what the incantations look like03:06
mebaranyou might have gotten a bad burn or accidently just copied the iso03:06
mebarancheck it windows03:06
Andeee^i did03:06
MutantXdaniels, cool, it's cause of my new KVM switch, only has USB ports :(03:06
Andeee^it autoruns in windows03:06
Andeee^and all the files are there03:06
mebaranhave tried unplugging your harddisk03:06
mebaranhaha03:06
knghtbrdhaha mebaran03:06
mebaranthat is the ghetto fabulous way of changing the boot priority03:06
Andeee^Oo03:06
cmrknghtbrd, brian_ thanks03:06
mebaranI dual boot windows and linux that way for awhile03:07
mebaranI would open the comp and switch the cables03:07
Ex-Cyberblah03:07
Ex-Cyberthis is just baffling03:07
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bob2ZzeCoOl: please turn that off03:07
knghtbrdunplug the HD..  hdhd03:07
ZzeCoOl?03:07
wastrelzero cool03:07
Andeee^k03:08
ZzeCoOlit is Zze cool03:08
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ZzeCoOlnot zero03:08
mebaranwhat frenchie?03:08
bob2ZzeCoOl: turn that public away thing off03:08
ZzeCoOla little bit03:08
cmrplease turn off the auto-away plz k thx03:08
geppyHow can I get esddsp?03:08
mebaranoooh03:08
mebarannick didnt work03:08
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ZzeCoOlbob2 ok but why...?03:08
mebaranthere we go Nick works again03:08
froustanyone know how i can get icons for my cdrom and usb drive to show up on the desktop when they get mounted?03:09
cmrfroust, should work automagically03:09
mebaranfroust: they come by themselves03:09
froustokay... mine don't03:09
Ex-Cyberanyone know what could cause X 2D operations to take up way too much CPU aside from acceleration being disabled?03:09
mebaranjust like bills and Disney magic03:09
geppyesddsp, anyone?03:09
geppymeh, esound-clients03:10
danielsEx-Cyber: ... acceleration being disabled03:10
geppyargh, if esound would be returned for esd searches, my life would be much easier.  =)03:10
knghtbrdZzeCoOl: there are 282 people in here.  Sometimes more than four are active at once.  That makes channel scroll fast.  Faster with autoaways and pastes and such things.  For that reason, they are strongly discouraged.03:10
sbrathtritium: Please check it out at ftp/http://ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net/pub/linux/ftp.ubuntu.com/ ( release, cdimage, ubuntu)03:11
Ex-Cyberdaniels: well, apparently either XFree is lying to me about acceleration being enabled (and giving me fairly decent GL performance meanwhile), or there's something else lurking in the pipe slowing it down03:11
knghtbrdEx-Cyber: what video card?03:13
Ex-Cyberknghtbrd: ATI Radeon 850003:13
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knghtbrdEx-Cyber: My condolances.  But you shouldn't have the problem you're seeing.03:14
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Ex-Cyberand the problem occurs with both XFree and fglrx drivers03:14
Ex-Cyberknghtbrd: oh, I agree :)03:14
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knghtbrdEx-Cyber: I had one.  Six months later the guys at Precision Insight (it was that long ago) showed no interest in making it not agplock my system.  I bought NV card for less and had faster performance.03:15
ZzeCoOlkk03:15
ZzeCoOlcalm down03:15
ZzeCoOl:>03:15
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kotirois it easy enough to change kernels in ubuntu once its installed?03:17
kotiroive nevr done it before..so im checking before i actually do it03:17
Ex-Cyberknghtbrd: I'll go back to my TNT2 before I buy a GeForce, assuming NVidia doesn't change its approach to third-party driver development03:17
froustkotiro: unless i'm missing something, it was really really really simple03:18
skreetif you install an ubuntu kernel then it'll be in grub.03:18
danielsEx-Cyber: er, weird03:18
knghtbrdEx-Cyber: I was coding 3D software at the time.03:18
kotirothis is hte first time ive used grub as well...so its a learning process03:19
knghtbrdEx-Cyber: free software supporting indignation lasted as long as my hope that PI would actually fix the problem and I'd be able to use my hardware.  After 6 months, it was clear they didn't care anymore because ATI stopped paying them to care.03:20
kotiroso i just install the new kernel..switch to grub..and tell it to use the new kernel and not the old?03:20
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mebaranit will automatically default to the new one03:20
kotiroexcellent03:20
kotirofingers crossed..and brb03:20
mebaranEx-Cyber: is ATI any better at driver devel in that regard03:21
skreetATI's linux support is crappy03:21
mebaranthe nvidia drivers work and there is probably some IP in their drivers that needs to be protected03:22
skreetnVidia's software works rather03:22
mebarannvidia is great under Linux03:22
mebaranI must admit03:22
skreetNo complaints here.03:22
mebaranit was easier to get the nvidia driver to work under linux than the ATI driver under windows03:22
skreet6800GT/MX400003:22
Ex-CyberI'm generally satisfied with the performance of the DRI Project Radeon driver03:22
mebaranskreet: 6800 vanilla03:22
skreetNever had a problem with ATI in Windows03:22
mebaranno GT03:22
mebaranit made me sad03:22
mebaranI lost those 4 extra pipes03:22
skreetHaha.03:23
skreet:D03:23
skreetYou probably saved 100$ though03:23
skreetAs I ask myself, was it really worth it?03:23
mjrinsert standard whining about how they can keep their bloody ip if they'd just give out the card specs so that even a crappy free driver would be possible03:23
mebaranATI in windows esp with beta drivers sometimes was very very very unstable03:23
bob2amen.03:23
skreetUnstable with BETA drivers?03:23
skreetAre you serious?03:23
mjrEx-Cyber, me too03:23
skreet...:D03:23
skreetI have a 9800 Pro03:24
skreetLovet hat card, but I wanted linux support03:24
skreetNo problem with closed-source drivers03:24
mebaranskreet: I know03:24
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mebaranskreet: but the nvidia beta drivers at least booted03:24
mebaransometimes ATI would force me to have to get out my rescue CD03:24
mebaranon new releases03:24
Ex-Cybermjr: it's worse than that, Nvidia apparently won't even give Xi Graphics the time of day, so s/free driver/driver from anyone other than NVidia03:25
mebaranmy motherboard might have been weird though03:25
Ex-Cyberbut anyway03:25
mebaranat least Nvidia makes a Linux driver03:25
wastrelhello03:25
mebaranI cant say that much for my canon printer03:25
mebaranwhich is the best paperweight ever03:25
mebaranno papers get from under that baby03:25
mebaranbut none get printed either :(03:26
mebarangimp-print prints but it prints every at a scale of like 1/403:26
wastrelomg!03:26
Ex-Cyberbut anyway, I'm still in the twilight zone here03:26
wastreli have the same problem03:26
mebaranI am still trying to figure out why03:26
wastrelh8n03:26
mebarani95003:26
wastrelif you find out let me know03:26
froustokay03:26
mebarannot technically supported03:26
frousti instlaled mplayer03:26
froustand it won't play this damn video03:26
froustwtf?03:27
knghtbrdskreet: ATI's drivers are historically known for being bad under any OS  ;)03:27
mebaranwastrel: it runs pretty well under the s800 gimp-print setup03:27
Ex-Cybersomeone reported an apparently similar problem on the forums, but it's unresolved03:27
froustbah! wrong window03:27
knghtbrdskreet: The only OS they're known to work well is MacOS X, and only because Apple wrote those drivers.03:27
mebaranwastrel: could it be a gimp-print bug03:27
mebaran?03:27
wastreli dunno03:28
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wastreli got sick of messing with it03:28
mebaranme too03:28
mebaranI wasted a ream of paper03:28
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mebaranlets print the test page again03:28
mebaranthe hack I got around by specifying huge paper sizes03:28
mebaranbut then the quality sort of took a poor turn03:28
mebaranand everything look messed up in openoffice03:28
mebarangoing to switch to Epson one day03:30
cmris there a way to make my home dir show on my gnome desktop?03:30
mebarancmr: you could make shortcut03:31
cmrmebaran, i just found i can turn it on with gconf-editor03:32
mebaranoh really03:33
mebarancool03:33
mebaranI never knew03:33
mebaranI would like that03:33
mebaranwhat option03:33
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ZzeCoOlhow can i disable ipv6... ?03:37
ZzeCoOli have name resolve problem03:38
ZzeCoOlslow....03:38
threadI accidentally upgraded to hoary... and I'm wondering how to roll back to warty03:38
threadis that easy to do?03:38
knghtbrdaccidentally?03:38
threadwell, on purpose.. but now I realize I really didn't want to do that at all03:39
heliolithhello all! Q: anyone succesfully automounting an internal ntfs Win XP HD in Ubuntu by altering fstab file?  I can't get it quite right... I demoted the Windows drive to hdb but /dev/hdb       /mnt/windows    ntfs    noatime,defaults,users,ro,umask=0 0 0 doesn't seem to work03:39
knghtbrdhehe03:39
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knghtbrdthread: that's hard to undo.03:39
threadknghtbrd: damn... and we lost synaptic.. and .. it's bad03:39
threadknghtbrd: I guess the best bet is to just reinstall?03:39
jdubthread: reinstall.03:39
threaddamn, okay.03:39
threadthanks guys03:39
jdubthere's no sane way to downgrade03:39
knghtbrdthread: if you have /home on a seperate partition it can be less insane03:40
knghtbrdthread: you can backup certain bits of configuration (dpkg --get-selections for example)03:41
threadknghtbrd: what configuration?03:41
threadI have a sources.list03:41
threadthat my friend uses who is more ubuntu-smart than me03:41
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threadwe're just going to reinstall, copy the sources.list down, and go from there03:42
wastrelanybody know why i get more as my pager when i get a long list in tab complete, when all my pager prefs are set to less?03:42
knghtbrdthread: dpkg --get-selections spits out the list of installed packages03:42
threadshouldn't be that big of a deal since it's a relatively fresh install03:42
threadah03:42
knghtbrdthread: you can also back up bits of /etc you know you modified03:42
threadknghtbrd: the beauty is that the install is barely customized. it's not a big deal at all03:42
threadthanks again03:42
heliolithdoes anyone access windows formatted ntfs drive from Ubuntu that could explain to me how to do so?03:43
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sridwhat is the name of package for 'spe' python editor??03:45
sridapt-cache search didn't help03:45
Riddellsrid: you can search on packages.debian.org03:46
bob2that searches the same database as apt-cache.03:46
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knghtbrdheh03:48
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sridyeah ... looks like 'spe' is missing in Ubuntu!! .. it's available in debian though03:48
Ex-Cybermaybe it was packaged after the snapshot?03:49
froustcan anyone tlel me how to get wmv's to play in mplayer (installing the right plugin*03:49
blairI am having problems with a USB card reader, can anyone help me?03:51
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blairanyone?03:53
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Jikklei have guarddog, and it only lets me do its setup whhen signed in as root. How do I get around this?03:56
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bob2run it with sudo04:01
bob2it obviously needs root priveleges to modify netfilter settings04:01
mebaranI think you have to recompile the kernel to get ntfs support04:02
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mebaranthose drivers might not be automatically built04:02
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bob2no you don't04:03
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mebaranbob2: the ntfs drivers are prebuilt04:08
mebarancool04:08
mebaranthey never were in the debian kernels04:08
bob2yes they were04:09
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mebaranbob2: really?04:13
bob2yes04:13
mebarandamn I could have saved myself a lot of time04:13
mebarantry first ask questions later04:13
HrdwrBoByou do not need to recompile your kernel04:13
HrdwrBoBin almost every situation04:13
mebaranyeah04:14
mebaranbut it was good fun04:14
mebaranbroke my system and I had to try to fix it04:14
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mebaranbut ohwell04:14
usualhow can I delete entries in the gnome menus04:16
maximaususual, right click on the item and choose to remove through the context menu.04:17
stuNNed_does ubuntu's hoary 2.6.10 kernel have alan cox's patches?04:17
usualmaximaus, doesn't give that option04:18
usualhoary btw04:18
crimsunstuNNed_: bits and pieces of -ac are in04:18
maximaushmm, works with warty. :/04:18
stuNNed_crimsun, nice, thanks04:18
maximaususual, little off topic, but perhaps helpful: have you tried the gnome panel applet "quick-lounge"? It allows you to create a custom drop down menu like MS quicklaunch.04:19
usualmaximaus, my issue is I was forced to install k3b in order to have a decent burning application and the KDE apps made menu entries in gnome that are imho annoying, I would like to remove them04:20
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maximaususual: try opening up nautilus to "applications:///" and removing them there.04:21
maximausworth a shot.04:21
usualmaximaus, doesn't work in hoary either :(04:21
wastrelnever heard of quicklaunch04:22
maximaus"quick-lounge"04:22
maximausit's a very simple applet04:22
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maximausnot installed by default, but it lets you put a lot of launchers on the panel in a drop down menu.04:23
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wastrelit's like a drawer04:23
maximausyeah and depending on how close the other applets are it resizes itself to fit.04:25
crypticreignubuntu has the nicest gnome setup ive seen04:25
maximauscrypticreign, I agree, though I always remove one of the panels.04:25
maximausno desktop icons = win04:26
crypticreignah, i like both on my laptop.. for my desktop i like one04:26
usualcrypticreign, sup holmes04:26
maximausI just don't have enough stuff going on to need both LOL04:26
crypticreignusual: yo :)04:27
usualme and crypticreign go back like potato and ham04:27
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crypticreignusual: sure we do haha04:29
usualhehe04:29
wastrel<3 quick lounge04:30
wastreli have a ton of crap crammed into one panel04:31
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Kotirodid anyone get gdesklets to work?04:34
wastrelanyone happen to know why i get 'more' as my pager when i get a long list in tab complete, when i have my PAGER set to 'less' in /etc/alternatives and in my $PAGER environment variable?04:36
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wastrelmaximaus: thanks for the tip about quick lounge it's useful ;] 04:38
maximausglad you like it. :D04:39
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Neo_654<Noob question alert>  Firefox disableIpv6 setting keeps going back to false.  Any idea why?04:47
wastrelyou made the change while firefox was open and when you closed firefox it rewrote the config file04:47
wastrel(guess)04:48
Neo_654I first made the changes in gedit and it didn't seem to take so then did it in about:config and like you said when you reopen it it doesn't stick.04:48
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monkey89sweet... audacity+gtk2 working04:50
wastrelwhat's audacity?04:50
monkey89audio recorder/editor04:50
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zenwhenwhy was the k3b article removed from the wiki?04:55
heliolitheep; struggling for a long time now trying to get ubuntu to mount my slave HD ntfs windows formatted drive...  edited fstab and mtab a bajillion times now; can anyone give me counsel please?  (=04:55
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Neo_654helio: Let me see if I can find the page in the forums that worked for me.04:59
DigitalStaticHelio, what line do you have set up for it?04:59
heliolithdoes anyone have any experience mounting ntfs drives in ubuntu? have a suggestion as to a forum I could scour?  I can see the drive's conents when I run nautilus vfrom root04:59
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helioliththanks neo... digitalstatic: checking to paste... sec05:00
maximausheliolith, just edit your fstab and the ntfs drive will mount on boot05:00
heliolith/dev/hdb1       /mnt/windows     ntfs    noatime,defaults,users,ro,umask=0 0 005:01
DigitalStaticmake the umask 022205:01
helioliththat's the argument I have in the fstab atm; what about mtab? should I edit out changes?05:01
DigitalStatic/dev/hda1       /windows/c      ntfs    umask=0222 0 0 is the line I use05:01
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DigitalStaticworks just fine for me05:01
maximaus/dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    umask=0222      0       005:01
heliolithdigital: then it shows up on the desktop on boot?05:01
maximausworks for me05:02
Neo_654That looks very close to what worked for me.05:02
DigitalStaticit mounts and can access it05:02
maximausheliolith, I just make a symlink to the desktop05:02
DigitalStaticI don't have icons on the destop05:02
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mindphasrAny idea why I can not get video in totem but I can get audio?05:02
maximausYou can just drag it with the middle mouse button from whereever it mounted and choose "make link"05:03
DigitalStatichttp://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#automountntfs05:03
maximausmindphasr, are you using stock totem?05:03
heliolithmaximus: what's a symlink?  digitalstatic: I'm not attached to an icon, just want access... can I test these arguments without relogging right?  Thanksfor the link digital!05:03
mindphasrmaximaus: I have tried both totem-gstreamer and totem-xine05:03
DigitalStaticto remount fstab w/0 reboot do sudo mount -a05:04
maximausheliolith, a symlink is just a file that points to something.05:04
heliolithhmm that's the same link I found myself; haven't got it working yet... what about mtab?  should I revert it to not contain any references to the windows drive?  I'm not clear as to what mtab or fstab do05:04
heliolithoh, like a shortcut05:04
DigitalStaticmindphasr: audio but no video often means that you do not have the proper codec05:04
mindphasrDigitalStatic: ahh05:04
maximausheliolith, yeah, been so long since I used windows I forgot the term LOL05:05
DigitalStaticmindphasr: I use VideoLan, for both windows and linux, I love it05:05
lightcapis there any way to force a drive from /dev/hde to /dev/hda?  I just added a pci ide card that has swapped my /dev/hda (and of course I can't boot now)05:05
mindphasrI havent used videolan in years - ill check that out05:05
DigitalStaticheliolith: /dev/hdb1       /mnt/windows      ntfs    umask=0222 0 0 should be your line for read only access05:06
maximausheliolith, for example I have a symlink in my home called "mp3" which is linked to /home/mp3 which is used by all users of my box.05:06
maximausChanging "dev/hdb1" if necessary of course. ;)05:06
DigitalStaticminphasr: The version for debian is a little old but it seemed to work just fine form me05:07
lightcapmy dvd-rom and CD-RW have also moved, which I'd prefer they don't05:07
DigitalStaticin his case it is /dev/hdb105:07
DigitalStaticor at least that is the one he posted earlier05:07
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maximausI wasn't paying attention. :P05:07
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DigitalStatic;)05:07
heliolithso mtab should also contain a reference like fstab or no?05:08
DigitalStaticyou should only have to edit fstab05:08
heliolithok05:08
lightcapI think the PnP bios is superceding the normal bios setup of hda on primary master and hdb secondary05:08
heliolithwhen I try the sudo mount -a commant I get this error: root@salaam:/home/michael # sudo mount -a05:09
heliolithmount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /mnt/windows busy05:09
DigitalStaticcan you see any files if you cd to /mnt/windows05:10
heliolithI can browse the contents of the windows drive via root in the /media folder... is that normal?05:10
heliolithno i can see them at /media for some reason, though I have created no reference to that location I don't think05:11
heliolithwhat about the fstab~ file should I delete them or they're just backups?05:11
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maximausalways a good idea to keep that as a backup05:12
heliolitherr, now I CAN see the windows files in the /mnt/windows directory05:12
DigitalStaticheliolith: type mount and see if anything is mounted for /dev/hdb105:12
heliolithroot@salaam:/ # mount05:13
heliolith/dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)05:13
heliolithproc on /proc type proc (rw)05:13
heliolithsysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)05:13
heliolithdevpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)05:13
heliolithtmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)05:13
heliolithusbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)05:13
heliolithroot@salaam:/ #05:13
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DigitalStaticheliolith:   run this  mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -o umask=022205:14
DigitalStaticheliolith: and then run mount again to see if it shows up05:15
lightcapI suppose I could just reinstall, I did *just* install this box, and haven't done anything with it.05:16
heliolithwhen i ran the first command you gave me it gave me back a small lecture on mounting, but no confirmation of action taken... it doesn't show up via mount command either05:16
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heliolithdigitalstatic: when I type sudo mount -a it says "/dev/hdb1 already mounted or /mnt/windows busy05:17
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__learner__I need some help. I want to re-install XP on my machine, but I know XP will write to the MBR and remove GRUB. Do you know what is the best way to put it back then?05:19
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helioliththanks for the help all; going to reboot now05:22
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Neo_654hmm guess I wasn't fast enough to find that post05:26
wastrelis there a howto explaining suspend and sleep on laptop systems?05:27
wastrelfor warty?05:27
Neo_654anyone familiar with capture-ntfs?05:27
mjryou mean captive05:28
mjrbut no, not personally :)05:28
Neo_654yes captive05:29
Neo_654Look out google here I come!05:29
sladenwastrel: ACPI magic should be in Hoary.  You can help test it if you want (and fancy a ride)05:29
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wastrelhoary eh.05:30
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LeeColletonWhite or gray with age; hoar; as, hoary hairs.05:30
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LeeColletonHence, remote in time past; as, hoary antiquity.05:31
Neo_654How do you know if your warty or hoary?05:31
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LeeColleton(Bot.) Covered with short, dense, grayish white hairs;  canescent.05:31
wastrelNeo_654: look in /etc/apt/sources.list05:31
Neo_654ok.05:32
Neo_654Thanks05:32
Neo_654Ok I see warty every where so I guess that is what it is.  Thanks again.05:33
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stuNNed_hey all05:34
stuNNed_FINALLY modem working :D05:35
wastreli registered for the ubuntu forums05:38
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maximausstuNNed, did you use pppconfig or something different?05:39
helioliththanks so much to those who helped me earlier with my ntfs filesystem mounting problem: i'm happy to report that it is fixed;  one more Q: how do I make a symlink or shortcut to a folder within that HD, for example to /mnt/windows/Documents and Settings/Michael/Desktop?05:40
Neo_654heliolith did you get it?05:40
heliolithyes neo;; hours of frustration gave way to euphoria05:40
Neo_654Just when you signed off I found it.05:41
stuNNed_maximaus, no wvdial, it was an issue with acpi and the linuxant driver, using apm now and modem works great.05:41
wastrel<3 wvdial05:41
wastreli should get my modem working05:41
maximausI've always used pppconfig from the command line--you have to answer four questions and then tell modem-light applet to "pon provider" Easy stuff.05:42
heliolithneo: thanks for looking; i think I had it fixed but had run so many commands, my system stayed confused for a while05:42
heliolithmaximaus: how can I make a symlink from say, my desktop to /mnt/windows/Documents and Settings/Michael/Desktop05:42
heliolith?05:42
wastrelmine's a winmodem05:43
Neo_654Yea I had to redo mine a few times.05:43
maximausheliolith, drag and drop with the middle mouse button (wheel)05:43
wastrelso i think it'll take a bit of work05:43
maximauswastrel, if it's a conexant, they work easily05:43
heliolithsomeday I'll know my stuff and come back to help the other clueless newbies like me; though i'm not sure there are many as newbish lol05:44
maximausjust install the kernel-source and it will autobuild for you.05:44
heliolithMaximaus: you rock! thank you05:44
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maximausheliolith, took me a long time to find that shortcut.05:44
maximausheliolith, you may want to look into installing a traditional two pane file manager for managing large amounts of stuff. I like Emelfm for those types of tasks.05:45
maximausUsually I just use Nautilus of course. ;)05:45
heliolithmaximaus: i'd have never found it! okies on the emelfm... do you have a default location you usually install programs to?  This is my first day on Linux.  Ever.05:46
maximausprograms will install to the proper place automatically05:46
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Scooteranyone have sucess storie for new XFce 2.4 and Warty? it looks verry nice 8)05:46
heliolithmaximaus: well, firefox for example I have installed to /home/michael/firefox-installer/firefox which doesn't intuitively seem correct05:47
MacPlusG3heliolith: what's wrong with the firefox that's shipped with ubuntu05:48
maximausheliolith, that's pretty smart if not traditional, I do a similar thing: install a lot of stuff to /home/software.05:48
heliolithMacPlusG3 it was version .86 and I wanted version 1.005:48
danielsHostingGeek: you are still banned -- it's just that you changed your name to get around it.05:48
shadowplayheliolith: stuff you install yourself usually goes into /opt (or your home dir if you're just testing)05:48
MacPlusG3also /usr/local is rather traditional.05:49
HostingGeekdaniels: be nice05:49
HostingGeekdaniels: i needed to get a problem fixed05:49
maximausshadowplay's right--I just like to recycle stuff like Java for different installs so I keep some stuff in /home/* and symlink back to /usr/local/bin05:49
heliolithok thanks all05:49
wastrelyou can do /opt/05:49
HostingGeekdaniels: i hear you know a lot about xorg you can help me05:49
danielsHostingGeek: it is past the upstream version freeze.  you don't get versions fixed by drive-by harassing developers.05:49
wastrelfor extra sw.05:49
dudonly kde stuff goes into /opt usually05:49
danielsHostingGeek: what with?05:49
HostingGeekxorg05:50
HostingGeeki'll talk in /msg05:50
danielsHostingGeek: (by the way, the message behind a ban is not 'change your name to get around it'.)05:50
danielsno, here is sfine.05:50
dudits more normal with /usr/bin and /usr/share/bin etc etc05:50
danielsand you'll need to be a great deal more specific than 'xorg'.05:50
heliolithI spend the first half of today trying to get Manrake to work; KDE was giving me all sorts of problems; i'm happy to have come to Ubuntu (=05:51
shadowplaydud: /usr/bin should be for distro-provided stuff.  /usr/local/bin for your own.  Ahdering to LFS that is.05:51
HostingGeekdaniels: its more a bug report05:52
HostingGeekdaniels: i'll cp here then05:52
heliolithmaximaus: what about opening sub-folders in the same window, rather than a new one?  is there an easy way to change that preference?05:53
HostingGeek<HostingGeek> crimsun  help me last night05:53
HostingGeek<HostingGeek> ok there is no problem in xfree05:53
HostingGeek<HostingGeek> in xorg my max pixel range is 800x600 @ 54hz05:53
HostingGeek<HostingGeek> thats not even in the config file05:53
maximausheliolith, try double clicking with the middle mouse button ;)05:53
HostingGeekmy moniter is LG F770P05:53
__learner__how can I close X? So I can update my nvidia drivers. Doom III is performing really bad in my GF4TI4200.05:53
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HostingGeekdaniels: i'll pastebin error logs and config file05:54
shadowplay__learner__ : ctrl-alt-backspace (not delete!)05:54
heliolithmaximaus: ty (= it's a wheel, but it still works05:54
maximausheliolith, I've set my file manager to one button click so middle click replaces window, left opens new window.05:54
maximausheliolith, yeah double clicking on the wheel is a bit wierd LOL05:54
heliolithmaximaus: excellent; doing so now05:54
shadowplay__learner__ : if it comes back up, then you need to ctl-alt-f1 (to get a console), login, and sudo killall gdm05:55
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maximausheliolith, you can change the file manager to work in a more traditional manner with a menubar and forward back buttons or such, OR right click on a folder and choose "browse".05:55
HostingGeekdaniels: xorg config http://pastebin.com/22984005:55
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shadowplaymaximaus : there's a preference setting also for "always browse folders".05:56
heliolithmaximaus: ah, I get it =P05:56
maximausshadowplay, did they move that preference out of gconf yet?05:56
HostingGeekdaniels: /var/log/Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/22984105:57
HostingGeekdaniels: you want /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old ?05:57
danielsnot really, but output of sudo ddcprobe might be nice05:57
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__learner__tx.05:59
danielsHostingGeek: put HorizSync 30-96 and VertRefresh 50-160 in /etc/X11/xorg.conf; known problem, will be fixed soon06:00
HostingGeekdaniels: where06:00
__learner__I have a problem with sound. In lots of programs (including DOOMIII demo) the sound is bad, it looks like it's using a buffer that is too short I don't know. I just know the sound is chopping and jagging. Completely messed. Is there anyway to update sound drivers on linux? Sorry if this is a dumb question.06:00
danielsHostingGeek: monitor section06:00
heliolithWhat do people use for showing a jpeg slideshow in Linux?06:01
shadowplaymaximaus : according to the Ubuntu FAQ it's Desktop Preferences -> file manager -> behavior.06:01
HostingGeekok each on new line daniels ?06:01
danielsyes06:01
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Neo_654heli, if you want Natilus to always open in the same window it is listed in the tip and tricks of the starter guide.06:01
maximausthanks shadowplay, I'll pass that along (I happen to like the default behaviour)06:01
jackmacokchi all, i'm having a problem with mounting an sata drive at bootup06:02
shadowplaymaximaus : but i've gone back to using fluxbox... heh.06:02
HostingGeekdaniels: HorizSync "30-96" ?06:02
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maximausLittle too minimal for me--of course it's good to use flux when you have guests to get those extra geek points. :P ;)06:03
danielshorno ""06:03
danielser06:03
danielsHostingGeek: no ""06:03
HostingGeekdaniels: can we see a new shorewall package? its a mager bug there no new features in 2.0.15 so no need to backport it06:03
HostingGeekdaniels: ok06:03
wastreli like flux for my crappy old laptop06:03
heliolith Neo: starter guide is found where?06:03
shadowplayspeaking of which, how to get the Debian Apps menu to show in Gnome?06:03
wastrelubuntuguide.org06:03
bob2HostingGeek: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/shorewall/shorewall_2.0.14-1/changelog06:04
Neo_654http://ubuntuguide.org/#openfoldersamewindownautilus06:04
bj_hey quick question06:04
heliolithgotta go help 2-y-old to sleep; later ALL be back later! thanks all06:04
HostingGeekbob2: umm the latest in unstable is 2.0.15 according to http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all&keywords=shorewall&sourceid=mozilla-search06:04
danielsHostingGeek: shorewall is in universe, and it's well past the upstream version freeze06:04
techn9newhere can i get a list of games available for ubuntu via apt-get ?06:04
bj_whats the next resolution up from 1024x76806:05
techn9neor just find some games to play06:05
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techn9ne( free ones )06:05
maximaustechn9ne,  open up synaptic and look ;)06:05
HostingGeekdaniels: but someone might use and firewall off lo even and have there system unreachble06:05
maximaustell it to sort by "sections"06:05
danielsHostingGeek: 'don't do that'06:05
jackmacokcanyone know much about mounting sata drives?06:06
mkerbyThis isn't really a Ubuntu question but I don't know where else to ask it. (Stupid Newbie Question Alert)06:06
maximaustechn9ne, I like GLtron Foobillard and kobodl -- but I'm not a gamer and you might laugh at such games. :P06:06
mkerbyI've downloaded the Doom 3 demo for my husband. How do I set it up?06:06
HostingGeekbob2: this is really strang that page says the latest verion is 2.0.1506:06
maximausmkerby, no I haven't seen your wallet.06:06
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wastrelmkerby: what is the filename of the demo?06:07
shadowplaytechn9ne : I had much better luck with games using gentoo... which is to say they have a lot of free games and demos in their ports collection.  For Ubuntu, even with multiverse, I didn't see much in apt (no UT2004, for example).  You'll problably have to get the software out-of-distro.06:07
techn9neumm i dont mean like super crazy 3d games06:08
techn9nei just mean something a bit better than the games included by default06:08
__learner__can you tell me/point to a page what is the main differences between ALSA and OSS? And wich one is better?06:08
wastreltechn9ne: moon-buggy and robotfindskitten are favorites of mine06:08
mkerbydoom3-linux-1.1.1286-demo.x86.run06:08
wastrelmkerby: it's probably a self-extracting bash script06:09
shadowplay__learner__ : check the linux sound HOWTO at tldp.org06:09
maximaustechn9ne, there's quite a few listed in Synaptic if you add Universe. Not real fancy ones but certainly fun.06:09
bob2__learner__: ALSA is intended to replace OSS06:09
__learner__tx06:09
__learner__now I understand.06:09
techn9nenah if i wanted the latest fancy 3d games id use windows06:09
wastrelmkerby: probably just want to run   sudo sh <filename>06:09
__learner__but in today's stage, is alsa really better, or is just the same, like X11 and XORG?06:10
shadowplay__learner__ : and what bob2 said... ALSA is in  the 2.6 kernel06:10
__learner__understood06:10
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mkerbyPardon. I inadvertantly closed xchat06:11
mkerbywastrel, what was the command again?06:11
wastrelmkerby:  sudo sh <filename>06:11
wastrelshould do it.06:11
maximaustechn9ne, I'm especially taken by foobillard, it's a neat 3d billiards game.06:11
techn9nemaximaus: cool ill try it out06:12
wastrelnethack's a good game :] 06:12
Lovechildnethack is the superior game..06:12
shadowplay__learner__ : i've had better results with alsa for both 2.4 and 2.6, but it really depends on your sound card.  IIRC, alsa has emulation mode for OSS drivers (but check the HOWTO, I haven't changed my sound settings in ages)06:12
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shadowplayLovechild : I got hooked on a variant last year.  Had to go to a nethack 12-step program :-P06:13
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mkerbyI'm trying to sell my husband on Linux. Good games help a lot :)06:13
wastrelwhich variant?06:13
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thullyDoes anyone have a clue why currently, KDE's fonts have a weird colored tint on my laptop LCD, while GNOME's look fine?06:14
techn9nei was playing battle for wesnoth today06:14
techn9nethat was cool06:14
shadowplaywastrel : i think it was adom06:14
mkerbywastrel, I think it's working. Thanks!06:14
Lovechildshadowplay, I tried nethack once then deleted it.. of course my session lasted 12 hours straight, figured it was for my own good06:14
wastrelnp06:14
__learner__got it.06:15
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shadowplaythully : check the anti-aliasing settings.06:16
thullythe KDE antialiasing settings?  in gnome this works fine as I said.06:16
Neo_654I've just followed the Tweaking Ubuntu after your first installation guide on installing basic development tools.  Now where do I find them at?06:17
danielsthully: yes, but qt uses freetype directly iirc, as opposed to through fontconfig06:17
shadowplayLovechild : yep.  Amazing how adictive it is to run around as an @ sign.06:17
Lovechildshadowplay, it's many years ago though.. but yes, very addictive06:17
Guardiann:)06:17
thullyI see - so you have to configure KDE manually for antialiasing.06:17
Lovechildshadowplay, did you see there's a 3d version now06:18
shadowplaythully : use the kde control center.  There's a setting inthere somewhere.06:18
shadowplayLovechild : a front-end you mean?  I've tried it, but it was tiresome.  Went back to playing it on the console.06:19
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thullyOK - that answers my question somewhat06:19
Lovechildshadowplay, Falcon's Eye or something, it looks quite nice06:20
shadowplayLovechild : yep.06:20
wastrelfalcon's eye stopped development iirc06:20
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thullydoes fontconfig automatically determine the specific type of subpixel rendering to use in it's latest version06:20
devscottI'm having trouble with ubuntu and detecting a hp dvd writer I just installed, wondering if someone could help me06:21
Grevis anyone else having troubles with DVD and running mplayer in hoary06:21
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devscottit's listed has /dev/hdc and is found in device manager but I can't get it to be seen in fstab so I can't mount anything06:22
techn9nedevscott: usb or ide?06:22
devscottide06:22
devscotttechn9ne: ide06:22
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ScooterI have to run Enemy Terratory game as SUDO to make it work, Is this a bad idea?06:22
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LinkMasterSabHey. I need some help setting up my modem with Ubuntu.06:23
maximausLinkMasterSab, is it a 56k modem?06:24
LinkMasterSabYes06:25
thullyis it a winmodem, or hardware-based06:25
LinkMasterSabUbuntu seems to detect it and configure it06:25
LinkMasterSabI have no idea, I wish I could tell you06:25
thullydo you just need to set up your ISP connection?06:25
maximausat the commandline: sudo pppconfig06:25
LinkMasterSabthully: Yes06:25
LinkMasterSabThanks maxi, I'll write that down.06:26
thullyyes - pppconfig rules all for PPP configuration06:26
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drspinthully: I agre06:26
drspine06:26
LinkMasterSabI'm using XP at the moment06:26
Grevwhich would people suggest warty or hoary?06:26
LinkMasterSabI'm a Linux newbie, I just downloaded Ubuntu over the weekend06:26
wastrelwarth\y\06:26
maximausAfter setup, add the modem-lights applet to the panel to use to connect with.06:26
techn9newarty is more stable06:26
wastrelwarty, even06:26
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LinkMasterSabAlright06:27
maximaustell it to "pon providername" or "poff providername"06:27
thullyhoary is a bit unstable - I would suggest using warty unless you really need a new feature from hoary - there is an Ubuntu backports site where you can get Firefox 1.0 and the like06:27
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Grevthully06:28
LinkMasterSabMan, if the new distro comes out soon, I'm gonna have to download all weekend again, yay06:28
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GrevI'm using hoary but multimedia is not working well, but need hoary for toshiba kernel extension06:28
Grevprobably will switch to warty and recompile my kernel06:29
maximausthully's on the mark--the backports site makes hoary unnecessary for most users right now.06:29
bob2Grev: er, you can use the hoary kernels on warty06:29
Grevbob2: really?06:29
bob2using backports isn't such a hot idea either06:29
thullyyes - if you need something in hoary use it, otherwise stick with hoary unless you want to live on the edge and can deal with broken stuff06:29
thullywarty06:29
LinkMasterSabthully: In other words, if you're the kind of person who gets the nightly builds of Firefox and such06:29
Grevbob2: just dpkg the hoary kernel?06:29
techn9neyou can use the backport project06:30
techn9neand get the best of both worlds06:30
thullyyes - then, hoary is for you06:30
bob2Grev: yes06:30
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LinkMasterSabRight, I'm not one of those people06:30
bob2except the backports aren't very well managed06:30
Grevbob2: thanks06:30
LinkMasterSabBesides, it takes hours upon hours to get the distro06:30
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maximausI don't see the danger in using the backports of, say, Gimp or Xchat.06:31
maximausbut perhaps I'm missing something?06:31
devscottI'm having trouble with ubuntu and detecting a hp dvd writer (ide )I just installed, wondering if someone could help me. it's listed has /dev/hdc and is found in device manager but I can't get it to be seen in fstab so I can't mount anything06:31
techn9neive had no problems w/ the backports yet06:31
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thullyBTW - does anyone know a good way to get software suspend on Warty without kernel recompile?06:32
techn9newhereas i pinned the firefox from hoary and crashed my entire system06:32
bob2thully: er, download a kernel image with it enabled?06:32
bob2pinning is the worst of all worlds06:32
LinkMasterSabCan anyone give me any tips as a new user of Linux?06:32
thullythere isn't one in warty06:33
thullyand the one in PMTesting is broken for me06:33
bob2thully: read what I said to Grev06:33
techn9nebob2: things get compiled against certain libraries and aren't always compabitable06:33
bob2thully: did you report it as broken?06:33
thullyyes - it's fixed in hoary06:33
bob2techn9ne: dependencies are supposed to take care of that06:33
techn9nei read in the forums of at least 5 other ppl that wiped their system pinning firefox06:33
bob2thully: then use the hoary kernel06:33
bob2forum users are not typical06:33
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wastrelthully: software suspend is something i'm looking to do - got any pointers?06:33
techn9netypical?06:34
thullyhow can you do that without the consequences mixing hoary/warty normally causes06:34
techn9netypical of what?06:34
bob2thully: dude, it's a kernel06:34
bob2wastrel: get the hoary 2.6.10 kernels06:34
wastrelk06:34
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LinkMasterSabErr, any tips at all :(06:35
lexhideranyone know how to burn bin/cue images or howto convert them to iso?06:35
thullydo you add hoary to the sources.list and pin just those packages (pinning the rest of hoary very low)06:35
bob2thully: no06:35
bob2lexhider: bchunk, in universe06:35
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bob2LinkMasterSab: throwing random tips at you doesn't seem all that useful...06:35
thullywhat do you do then06:35
bob2thully: download the approriate .deb06:35
LinkMasterSabWell, sites I should read maybe?06:36
thullyOK06:36
bob2LinkMasterSab: ubuntulinux.org has lots of howtos and faqs and such06:36
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lexhiderbob2: installing now, thanx.06:36
mkerby1Another stupid question06:36
LinkMasterSabFair enough06:36
wastrelbob2 you're the answer man :] 06:36
mkerby1I've got to add some files from the Doom 3 cd to the demo file.06:37
mkerby1How do I convince it to let me write to it?06:37
thullywhat does the version of freetype in Ubuntu (hoary) do that the one in debian doesn't?06:37
LinkMasterSabI hope this works06:42
wastrelmkerby1: i'm not sure what you mean?  you need to append these files to the installer ?06:43
LinkMasterSabDepending on if it does, the next time you'll see me will either be on Ubuntu or XP06:43
bob2LinkMasterSab: are you having a specific problem?06:43
Grevbob2: what deb files will the kernel need? linux, linux-image and what else?06:43
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mkerby1They're patches from the cd (I think)06:43
bob2Grev: linux-image-2.6.10-1-386 or so06:44
mkerby1A how-to I found on the web says to copy these files to the demo/base file. When I try to do this, I get an error message saying I don't have permission to do it.06:44
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wastrelmkerby1: can you show us the command you're trying to run?06:45
eyequeuehow do i configure a different handler for a mime type?06:45
LinkMasterSabbob2: It's just getting my modem working06:45
LinkMasterSabSomeone's told me how to do it06:45
LinkMasterSabSo I'll be going to do that now06:45
LinkMasterSabLater.06:45
eyequeuespecifically xine rather than totem, for avi, since totem *always* fails in warty here06:45
eyequeueunless someone knows a totem-fix? :)06:46
mkerby1wastrel, I wasn't trying to run a command. I don't know which one to run.06:46
stuNNedeyequeue, i've had issues with totem but when it works it's brilliant imho06:46
lexhiderbob2: looks to be the answer with bchunk, I think k3b might also handle bin/cue file, thanks mate, bye.06:46
mkerby1I just opened up the cd, opened up the /demo file, then tried to create a /base file there to put the cd files into.06:47
eyequeuestuNNed: how do you get it to do anything other than refuse to load the file, be it in /tmp or in $HOME, it just refuses here06:47
wastreli'm having a problem with my PAGER, i have it set to less in /etc/alternatives and in my PAGER environment variable, but when i tab-complete in bash it uses "more", how do i fix this?06:47
stuNNedeyequeue, what's the error?06:47
mkerby1It wouldn't let me write to it.06:47
wastrelmkerby1: what are you doing when you get the permissions error?06:47
eyequeuestuNNed: it says it can't open it, with some unknown error, paraphrased06:47
stuNNedeyequeue, did you install totem-xine (silly ques:)06:47
mkerby1wastrel, trying to create the /base file in the doom3/demo file.06:47
wastrelmkerby1: you can't make changes to files on a CD06:48
wastrelmkerby1: it's read-only06:48
stuNNedeyequeue, and did you install nonfree binary codecs?06:48
HostingGeekbob2: lo doesn't start auto on my server any way to make it start up?06:48
bob2HostingGeek: your Debian misconfigurations are off-topic here.06:48
bob2HostingGeek: and fix /etc/network/interfaces.06:48
mkerby1wastrel, I'm not trying to write to the cd. I'm trying to write to the /doom3 file on the computer06:48
eyequeuestuNNed: no, i'm using the default as shipped06:48
HostingGeekbob2: ooops i forgot i am not in #ubuntu-offtopic06:49
wastrelmkerby1: in that case it's because you need superuser to edit that - because you installed with the su command06:49
stuNNedeyequeue, might want to install totem-xine then add marillat's repository (not supported by ubuntu) and add w32codecs06:49
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murcianohi there guys :-)06:49
stuNNedhi murciano06:49
mkerby1wastrel, nuts. How do I get the superuser?06:50
Grevbob2: where can I download the hoary kernel?06:50
eyequeuestuNNed: "Totem could not play 'file:///tmp/video-01-1.avi'. \ Failed to open; reason unknown"06:50
eyequeuestuNNed: but it can't find any files, no matter what format?06:50
murcianoanybody has tried qemu under ubuntu?06:50
wastrelmkerby1: typically from the command line ...  do you know how to copy files from the command line?06:50
eyequeuehow do i make /usr/bin/xine the default for those formats that i *know* it can handle, via experience?06:50
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stuNNedeyequeue, you're trying to play proprietary nonfree formats so you need the packages installed that support that.06:51
stuNNedeyequeue, or use xine i guess, or something else06:51
murcianojoin #bulma06:52
bob2Grev: archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/, in one of the linux-* dirs06:52
stuNNedeyequeue, one sec06:52
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bob2I can't actually get onto the site to find it directly06:53
stuNNedeyequeue, see this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats06:53
bob2oh, I suck:  pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-image-2.6.10-2-386_2.6.10-8_i386.deb06:53
mkerby1wastrel, 'fraid I don't.06:53
eyequeuestuNNed: hang on, i'm getting totem-xime via dselect, since it causes synaptic to crash :((06:54
wastrelmkerby1:  sudo cp file destination06:55
eyequeuestuNNed: okay, totem-xine behaves :)06:55
stuNNedeyequeue, did you enable the repo in synaptic?  maybe that's why? i dunno i don't use synaptic, only apt :)06:55
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stuNNedeyequeue, that restricted formats doc is quite helpful if you wish to play those type of formats, ugh :)06:56
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eyequeuestuNNed: yeah, i did a seach for totem in snynaptic, it found totem-xine, and i told it to mark it for installation ... when i said it's okay to remove tote-gstreamer (though i don't know if i like that or not) poof, it crashes, heh06:56
eyequeuestuNNed: well, avi seems to play without any restricted things here06:57
embsupaflyHi all, I have a problem with sound. One day it stopped working in X, it still works in the console (system bell) but I can not get any sound to play in X06:57
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stuNNedah ok then, eyequeue06:57
bob2avi is a container, not a video codec06:57
stuNNedbob2, so avi can be anything pretty much?  if so, that's not good, bad security, no?06:59
bob2hrm?06:59
bob2only if your video decompressor is exploitable06:59
bob2er, by container I mean "AV container", it can't contain like random setuid binaries or anything ;)07:00
stuNNedah ok then :)07:00
mkerby1wastrel, I tried. It said "omitting directory doom3-demo07:01
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embsupaflyHi all, I have a problem with sound. One day it stopped working in X, it still works in the console (system bell) but I can not get any sound to play in X07:03
wastrelmkerby1: ah yes.  to cp a directory use the -r  (recursive) flag.07:03
wastrelmkerby1: sudo cp -r file destination07:03
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mkerby1wastrel, I did that, but I still can't write to the thing :(07:06
stuNNeddoes ubuntu have sysv init?07:08
wastrelpermissions error again?07:09
__learner__are ubuntu repositories down?07:09
mkerby1wastrel, yep07:09
__learner__because I try to install linux-k7 and synaptic tells me it coundnt download some of the packages.07:09
__learner__and shows an 404 error message07:10
randabishmm07:10
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randabisI did a dist-upgrade not too long ago _learner_, I don't think they are down07:10
wastrelmkerby1: and you were using sudo?07:10
embsupaflyHi all, I have a problem with sound. One day it stopped working in X, it still works in the console (system bell) but I can not get any sound to play in X07:10
wastrelembsupafly: what sound card do you have?07:11
embsupaflyits in a Dell Laptop Inspiron 515007:11
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mkerby1wastrel, yes07:12
embsupaflyIt worked about a week ago in X, then stopped, it still works in windows07:12
randabisemb are you running warty or hoary?07:12
embsupaflyrunning ubuntu 4.1007:12
randabisk07:12
wastrelmkerby1: i don't know... is the destination directory writable/07:13
embsupaflyisnt warty a debian release07:13
wastrelwarty is ubuntu07:13
__learner__it said it can't get image-linux-something. But offered to proceed without it. Should I go?07:13
randabis4.10 = warty07:13
wastreldebian is woody07:13
randabislearner I wouldn't07:13
embsupaflyok07:13
mkerby1wastrel, which directories are writable and which aren't? (Forgive the stupid question.)07:14
embsupaflyIs warty the latest release07:14
wastrelmkerby1: it depends on the permissions07:14
wastrelmkerby1: ls -ld directory to see the perms07:14
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wastreldrwxrwxrwx07:15
wastrelthat's perms07:15
randabisheh I did a complete reinstall and upgraded back to hoary...doom3 still doesn't work :p07:15
wastrelr= read w=write x=execute07:15
embsupaflyany idea on the sound problem?07:15
randabisgotta be something with hoary...I think it still works in warty07:15
wastrelembsupafly: look for your soundcard in lspci07:15
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mkerby1wastrel, What does 3 root mean? How do I change permissions?07:16
HostingGeekcrimsun: just to note on xfree my moni is doing 1600x1200 @ 76Hz07:16
wastrelmkerby1: root is the owner and 3 is the number of links to the directory (that's sortof complicated...)07:16
embsupafly0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)07:17
wastrelmkerby1: what are the permissions though?07:17
wastrelac97 should work in warty07:17
embsupaflyIt used to about a week ago07:17
mkerby1reads like this: drwxrwsr-x    3 root     staff        4096 2005-01-16 23:1507:17
embsupaflyit works in a console, just not in X07:18
wastrelmkerby1: superuser should be able to write to that07:18
embsupaflystopped working in X about a week ago07:18
JamesI'm having a problem installing ubuntu on a sata drive07:18
wastrelmkerby1: so it's probably not a permissions issue...07:18
Jamesapparently it's something to do with the mbr I think since grub never comes up07:18
wastrelembsupafly: what kernel are you using?07:18
mkerby1wastrel, what is it?07:19
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wastrelmkerby1: i dunno... what's the command you're using07:19
embsupafly2.6.8.1-3-38607:19
wastrelembsupafly: cat /dev/dsp07:20
wastrelshould give you junk - hit control-c to stop it07:20
mkerby1wastrel, I wasn't using a command. I just opened up the directory (with the mouse, Win**** fashion) left-clicked, and tried to create a file.07:21
wastrelmkerby1: what about sudo cp -r file destination07:21
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wastrelwhere is the directory we're talking about?07:22
mkerby1wastrel, same thing.07:22
mkerby1I used /home07:22
wastrelmkerby1: so when you do sudo cp -r07:22
wastrelmkerby1: what is the full command you're using07:22
mkerby1wastrel, sudo cp -r doom3-demo /home07:23
stuNNedis there an easy way to manage ubuntu init scripts?07:23
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wastrelmkerby1: why are you trying to copy it there?07:23
LinkMasterSabOkay, so it didn't work.07:23
embsupaflyWASTREL: any other ideas?07:23
LinkMasterSabpppconfig didn't find my modem07:23
wastrelembsupafly: did you try cat /dev/dsp ?07:24
mkerby1wastrel, I'm a very confused newbie. I was hoping I could write to it there.07:24
wastrelLinkMasterSab: try wvdial07:24
JamesDIE!07:24
wastrelLinkMasterSab: are you sure you modem isn't a winmodem?07:24
LinkMasterSabI can't be sure.07:24
mkerby1I'm just now learning to use the command line a little.07:24
LinkMasterSabI don't know how to check that shit.07:24
wastrelLinkMasterSab: laptop?07:25
LinkMasterSabTower07:25
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wastrelLinkMasterSab: on-board modem or add-on?07:25
LinkMasterSabPCI07:25
wastrellspci07:25
LinkMasterSabOkay, so I run lspci in the terminal and then what?07:26
wastrelyour modem should show up in lspci output07:26
wastrelthen you can google it and see if it's supported07:26
LinkMasterSabAnd if it is?07:26
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wastrelmkerby1: i dunno, i'm out of ideas07:26
wastrelLinkMasterSab: try wvdial07:26
embsupaflyWASTREL: any other ideas?07:27
wastrelembsupafly: did you try cat /dev/dsp ?07:27
LinkMasterSabAlright, I'll go do that then.07:27
mkerby1wastrel, no problem. Thanks anyway :)07:28
embsupaflygave me garbage, machine code07:28
wastrelembsupafly: that's good.07:28
mkerby1I'll do some reading and see what I find out.07:28
wastrelembsupafly: did you set your mixer levels in alsamixer /07:28
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wastrelembsupafly: did you check to make sure your speakers were plugged in :] 07:29
embsupaflyits a laptop, sound works in console, just not X07:29
crimsunHostingGeek: did you file a bug against 'xserver-xorg' with all the information included?07:29
wastrelembsupafly: ok check your mixer levels alsamixer07:29
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HostingGeekcrimsun: daniels said its a known bug07:30
crimsunHostingGeek: 10-407:30
embsupaflywhich ones need to be set high, master is set high, others are set to mute07:30
wastrelembsupafly: it depends on your system.  play around and see if you get any sound07:30
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HostingGeekcrimsun: ?07:31
embsupaflyit's working now, I un-muted all of them07:31
wastrel:] 07:31
embsupaflythank you07:31
wastrelnp07:31
embsupaflyi thought only the master needed to be set high07:31
wastreli don't understand the channels at all.  i just mess around till it works :] 07:31
stuNNedcrimsun, know how redhat has ntsysv ncurses based app does ubuntu/debian have anything similar for handling init scripts?07:32
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embsupaflyThank you so much!07:32
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crimsunstuNNed: update-rc.d07:33
stuNNedcrimsun, fscking update-rc.d fscking giving me fscking headaches07:34
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embsupaflyWASTREL; Now the sound works in X, but not in any Games. It works when clicking around in X, but there is no sound in all of the games I have tried, to include Lbreakout, Barrage, etc. The game's settings for sound are set ok07:38
mkerby1wastrel, I used sudo su to become root in the doom3-demo folder. How do I create a file there from the command line?07:38
wastrelembsupafly: that i don't know anything about sorry :/07:39
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wastrelmkerby1: where is the doom3-demo folder ?   use  pwd07:39
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mkerby1wastrel, it's in /usr/local/games07:40
wastrelmkerby1: ok.   so you want to copy files off of a CD and into /usr/local/games/doom3-demo/  ?07:41
mkerby1wastrel, exactly.07:43
wastrelmkerby1:  cp  is the command07:44
wastrelcp -r source destination   if source is a directory07:44
wastrelshould work...07:44
wastreldestination can be  .  if it's the current directory you're in07:44
mkerby1wastrel, the source is a cd. Will it still work?07:45
wastrelmkerby1: it should...  do you know where the cd is mounted?07:45
embsupaflyanyone know how to add applications to the panel menu in Gnome, were you click and open the menu, and it comes up Accessories, Graphics, Games, Etc... How do I add applications to these submenus?07:45
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mkerby1wastrel, I tried as well as I could understand it. Didn't work. The cd is cdrom007:48
wastrelmkerby1: what command did you use?07:48
mkerby1wastrel,  cp -r cdrom0/setup/data/base/pak000.pk4 .07:49
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wastrelmkerby1: i don't think that's a valid source...  you'll have to find the cdrom on the filesystem .  maybe /mnt/cdrom  ?07:50
wastrelmkerby1: oh! you could open the GUI filemanager as root and do it that way....07:50
wastrelsudo nautilus    might work.07:50
embsupaflyanyone know how to add applications to the panel menu in Gnome, were you click and open the menu, and it comes up Accessories, Graphics, Games, Etc... How do I add applications to these submenus?07:54
mkerby1wastrel, I tried, didn't work.07:56
mkerby1I'll be back later, I hope. I've got to get daughter to bed.07:56
bob2embsupafly: alt-f2 -> applications:/// <enter>07:57
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__learner__tx a lot08:03
__learner__now it is downloading all packages.08:03
__learner__Will the new kernell be used automatically? That is the kind of thing that could  break the system?08:03
wastrelreboot to use new kernel08:05
wastrelshould be default on next boot tho08:05
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embsupaflyBoB2: It lets me create a Launcher, but will not save it once i click OK, I am logged in as a normal user08:07
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bob2embsupafly: ok08:07
bob2it should do08:07
embsupaflyit does not show up08:07
stuNNedis there any way to refresh the gnome menu w/out restarting x?08:07
embsupaflynot sure08:08
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cmrmy gnome menus are weid.08:10
cmrthe Debian menu has double entries for every app.08:10
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threadokay, so what's the secret to getting this gstreamer stuff to play mp3s?08:15
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threadit's not on the ubuntuguide.org08:15
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crimsunthread: add the 'universe' repo, then install 'gstreamer0.8-mad'08:16
crimsunthread: then (re)start Music Player (rhythmbox)08:16
Mario_ZaizarHi there, where can I find a bluefish 1.0.deb for my ubuntu ? I was searching in universe, warty. and multireverse but nothing08:17
threadcrimsun: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe multiverse08:18
threadit's already there?08:18
crimsunthread: then install 'gstreamer0.8-mad' and (re)start Music Player08:19
HostingGeekdaniels: i tell you soon if xorg works08:19
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cspenchiya08:19
crimsunMario_Zaizar: http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/download.html08:20
cspencquick question about the warty live cd? is there a way to install directly after booting from that?08:20
crimsuncspenc: not the Warty one, no.08:20
cspenccrimsun: so I need to make another iso?08:20
threadcrimsun: worked like a charm :) ty08:21
crimsuncspenc: use the install iso :-)08:21
threadI think last time, we installed a 'gstreamer-mad'08:21
crimsunthread: np08:21
cspenccrimsun: k thanx08:21
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crimsunthread: 'gstreamer-mad' is the old version (0.6)08:21
embsupaflyTHREAD: Were do you get your MP3's?08:21
threadI figured as much08:21
threadembsupafly: different places, why?08:22
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embsupaflyI don't have any songs, don't know where to get them.08:22
crimsunembsupafly: mp3.com08:22
threadsoulseek and bittorrent are my favorites08:22
threadof course none of it's legal08:22
threadlimewire works well for some..08:22
embsupaflyI use bittorrrent, but how do you find music with it08:22
threadtorrentbox.com08:23
threadlokitorrent.com08:23
cspencthread: are those the new suprnovas?08:23
threadyep08:23
threadeveryone just migrated over08:23
threadthere are probably other good sites as well08:23
embsupaflycool thanks,08:23
threadbut I know lokitorrent at least is really popular08:23
cspenchmm, i hope those guys don't go to jail...08:24
threadyeah08:24
threadlokitorrent was sent nasty letters08:24
cspencyou cut off the head of the dragon and two more reappear in its place08:24
threadbut they're defending it.. asking people for money08:24
thread30,000 /mo as a minimum to defend them selves08:24
embsupaflyI have used bittorrent in windows, does it work the same in linux08:24
cspenchmm i know that exeem was talked about a lot08:24
cspencembsupafly: yep works fine08:24
crimsunyes, the protocol is no different between OSes.08:25
embsupaflycan I double click on the torrent file or do I have to use the command line08:25
threadazureus.sf.net is my favorite bittorrent client08:25
wastrelit depends on the client you use08:25
crimsuninstall bittorrent, bittornado, or azureus.08:25
thread(it's java)08:25
cspencembsupafly: if you want something cool, run screen and then put the the command line bittornado08:25
cspencazureus is nice too if you like guis08:25
cspenci have an old server just do all my torrents from a multiplexed command line08:26
cspencworks pretty well08:26
embsupaflycspenc, how do you use screen, what is it08:27
cspencembsupafly: it is just a way to have multiple terminals in one "screen", a precursor to WM's08:27
cspencthen you can attach and detach at will without losing your session08:27
threadcan I play quicktime files with this gstreamer-enabled stuff?08:27
wastrelis it possible to change the gnome menu names "applications" and "computer"08:28
embsupaflybittornado is not found08:28
cspencembsupafly: btdownloadcurses or btdownloadgui i think08:28
embsupaflythen what08:28
cspencembsupafly: a torrent file argument08:28
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crimsunthread: no. You need 'w32codecs' from marillat's repo.08:29
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threadcrimsun: great08:29
crimsunthread: you'll probably want to install mplayer if you want to view .movs08:29
embsupaflycant find wxPython, what is its proper namefor apt-get install08:29
threadcrimsun: oh yea? alright.. we'll just do that then08:30
threadwhat does w32codecs get me to play, exactly?08:30
crimsunembsupafly: libwxgtk2.4 in universe08:30
embsupaflyty08:30
crimsunthread: darned near everything08:30
threadexcept movs?08:30
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embsupaflyis it safe to download from torrent sites08:33
embsupaflyis it safe to download from torrent sites08:36
crimsunthread: mplayer uses w32codecs.08:36
crimsunembsupafly: it's perfectly safe for legal uses.08:37
embsupaflyok, thanks08:37
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embsupaflyhow do I play an avi (divx)08:37
__learner__I need to install kernell sources to install nvidia drivers, how can it be done?08:37
__learner__how can i know my kernell version?08:38
crimsun__learner__: you don't need to install any drivers; they're already included.08:38
embsupaflyls /boot08:38
crimsun__learner__: follow /wiki/BinaryDriverHowto to enable the Nvidia drivers08:38
embsupaflythen look at the vmlinuz file08:38
__learner__I think they need an update, ddom 3 demo is running really really bad08:38
__learner__so I want to install nvidia's lastest drivers08:39
wastrel__learner__: kernel version:  uname -a08:39
__learner__it says my kernell is 2.6.8, but there is source only for the 2.6.7 on the repositories, do you think the driver will install?08:41
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LinkMasterSabOkay, so I still can't get online.08:45
randabisheh I can't even get doom 3 to run at all08:45
randabisjust a black screen and I have to restart the xserver08:46
randabisI think it's because of hoary since it does work in warty08:46
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stuNNedhi all08:47
__learner__I run it very badly08:47
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LucidVisionslol08:47
__learner__I have a G4ti4200, it should handle doom III.At least in the low quality mode.08:47
outsider2how do i install quake3 on ubuntu? Is there a .deb avalible?08:47
randabismaybe you haven't installed nvidia-glx08:48
randabisoutsider2 you use the installed from ID08:48
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embsupaflyanyone know how to FIND music stations to add to Music Player?08:48
randabisuse streamtuner embsupafly08:48
knghtbrdoutsider2: there need not be one08:48
LucidVisionsdid you guys see the screenshots of when they ran it on a vodoo2? Pretty novel,haha08:48
LinkMasterSabI guess I'll have to buy a hardware modem.08:49
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embsupaflyhow do you open streamtuner?08:49
LinkMasterSabI did a Google search on my model, and it seems to be a winmodem.08:49
knghtbrdoutsider2: grab the latest point release, run its installer, note the directory it puts files into, and put your pk3s in the appropriate subdirectories thereunder08:49
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LinkMasterSabAnyone know how to configure GRUB to default to Windows instead of Linux?08:50
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YoussefAssadmorning folks08:50
YoussefAssadquick (urgent) question08:50
randabisembsupafly you have to install it first08:51
stuNNedLinkMasterSab, fear not, there is linmodems.org and linuxant.com for your modem and you can just change the 'default' line in /etc/grub/menu.lst to reflect your windows entry08:51
LinkMasterSabI'm stuck with Windows until I get a new modem or new connection08:51
embsupaflyI have it open, but where do I find stations08:51
YoussefAssadin the ubuntu installer, if I select to modify the size of a fat32 existing partition, does it do this non-destructively? Resizing?08:51
LinkMasterSabstuNNed, I'm looking at the linmodems.orhg08:51
wastrelLinkMasterSab: change the default flag in your grub menu.lst file08:51
LinkMasterSaborg*08:51
wastrelLinkMasterSab: it's pretty well commented08:51
stuNNedLinkMasterSab, there is script there, scanmodem.gz might be helpful08:52
embsupaflyOh, I found some in the ShoutCast Tab08:52
LinkMasterSabRight, well, that requires some actual knowledge to use08:52
LinkMasterSabThanks wastrel08:52
LinkMasterSabI'll search the database08:52
stuNNedLinkMasterSab, yes, true, sorry.08:52
LinkMasterSabI'd love to learn how to use Linux and all, but I can't do that without an internet connection08:54
bluefoxicyhttp://lkml.org/lkml/2005/1/17/26  I graphed the USNs  :)08:55
bluefoxicyerr.08:55
bluefoxicywrong URL08:55
bluefoxicyhttp://woct-blog.blogspot.com/  :)08:55
bluefoxicyNo images required08:55
YoussefAssadanyone know? Fat32? Resizing?08:55
bluefoxicyqtparted08:56
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bluefoxicyuses a sysresccd and run_qtparted08:56
bluefoxicyYoussefAssad: http://www.sysresccd.org/08:56
YoussefAssadbluefoxicy: Hmm. Is qtparted on the liveCD?08:56
bluefoxicyno08:56
bluefoxicybut it's on sysresccd08:56
bluefoxicyrescue CDs :)08:56
YoussefAssadHmm. Can't download that; I'm on a 33600 dialup line here :\08:57
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bluefoxicyit's 100 megs  o.o08:57
bluefoxicyit'll take you what, all night?08:57
bluefoxicy. . . all year08:57
LinkMasterSabBlah, stuNNed, I just looked up my modem, and the driver link is broken ><08:57
bluefoxicydamn08:57
YoussefAssadbluefoxicy: Think I'll try ranish partition manager. That wored for me back in like 199908:57
bob28 hours at best08:57
bluefoxicyk08:57
YoussefAssadbluefoxicy: something like that. I need to work this out now; I got the sales director hot on linux :)08:57
bluefoxicyThose kinds of sales tactics are not welcome here.08:58
bluefoxicyYou do not sleep with your boss to make him switch to linux.08:58
LinkMasterSabDoes anyone know what to look for if you want to buy a hardware-based modem?08:58
YoussefAssadbluefoxicy: heh08:58
stuNNedbluefoxicy, does sysresccd have ntfsresize?08:59
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bluefoxicystuNNed:  I think08:59
bluefoxicymaybe08:59
stuNNedor can it resize and ntfs partition i'm wondering08:59
stuNNedand/an09:00
bluefoxicyit comes with ranish09:00
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bluefoxicyheh09:00
bluefoxicyand qtparted09:00
JoePenguinLinkMasterSab: the key word to look for would probably be "DSP"09:00
bluefoxicyand partgui09:00
wastrel<3 qtparted09:00
bluefoxicybut I don't see ntfsresize, just ntfs utils09:00
bluefoxicyhttp://sysresccd.org/systools.en.php09:00
LinkMasterSabAlright.09:01
LinkMasterSabI need to go shopping.09:01
LinkMasterSabEither that, or AT&T needs to hurry up and get DSL service.09:01
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stuNNedbluefoxicy, thanks.09:01
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stuNNedbluefoxicy, ntfsresize - Resize an NTFS partition without losing data -- is in ntfsprogs, going to try it out, thanks, found out at http://packages.debian.org/unstable/otherosfs/ntfsprogs09:03
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LinkMasterSabasdfghjkl09:06
LinkMasterSabI found another link to a driver, and it's broken too09:06
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rituhi09:08
ritui am trying to insall ubunu64 on my new amd6409:08
rituit does no deect my sata09:09
ritudetect09:09
ritui have sis 965chipset09:09
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psycoseHi, well i run a screen resolution of 1024x768 but the picture stay 1 cm in the left. i can't move the display to the right, the configuration manual button is 100% on the right, Is there a software or something that could help me ? On 800x600 the display fit the screen well, thanks09:10
LinkMasterSabWell, I guess I'll go and fix GRUB and not use Linux until I can find a hardware-based modem09:10
rituas per discussion with Mithvandir is did modprobe sata_sis09:10
ritubut still it does not detect my hard drive09:10
wastrelpsycose: xvidtune might help09:11
rituis there anything else i have to do09:11
ritu:(09:11
rituwinXP is running fine winXP(64BIT)09:11
psycosethanks wastrel09:12
rituBUT any distribution of linux gives pobs09:12
rituprobs09:12
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ritui am very keen on ubuntu64 on my sytsem09:12
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wastrelritu i don't know anything about amd64 or sata but maybe this will help09:15
wastrelhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10352&highlight=sata09:15
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wastrelhm.09:15
wastrelmaybe not that one :] 09:15
wastrelbut check the forums09:15
Lowryhi all09:16
rituok thanks09:16
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Lowrywould ubuntu support dri with the ati 9200 in the mac mini?09:17
danielsLowry: yes09:17
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YoussefAssadknoppix has qtparted, doesn't it?09:18
phincould we get hostap modules for 2.6.8? or any 2.6 kernels? i notice a bunch for 2.4.x09:18
randabisI think so09:18
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YoussefAssadAh, it does. Good. I have a copy of clusterKnoppix handy :)09:19
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wastrelso how do i make gnome use abiword instead of openoffice for msword files?09:22
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stuNNedwhy do i have mysql installed by default in ubuntu or am i wrong?09:24
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HostingGeekdaniels: here?09:25
wastrelprobably a dependency for something09:25
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HostingGeekdaniels: i am in xorg right now and my rez is 12801024@89Hz09:26
HostingGeekdaniels: my moni supports 1600x1200@76hz and thats waht it was in xfree09:27
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Durakuswhat is the command to delete a folder?09:27
HostingGeekdaniels: and my xorg config *does* say 1600x120009:27
HostingGeekDurakus: rm -f09:28
firstknightrmdir bla09:28
firstknightbla must be empty09:28
firstknightor  rm -rf bla09:28
stuNNedn/m it was just client side software09:28
Durakusi moved a folder into my home but i can't move it to the wastebasket09:28
Durakusso what exactly would i type?09:29
firstknighthi, I just upgrade my kernel, and eth0 does not recognized by kernel.... but eth0 is still recognized by old kernel. what 's happenning?09:29
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kleedracAnyone want a gmail.com address09:31
wastrelfirstknight: you probably didn't include support for your network card in your new kernel09:31
firstknightwastrel, I update it by synaptic09:31
wastrelDurakus: rm -r <foldername>  will delete the folder09:31
wastrelfirstknight: warty or hoary?09:31
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opimorning09:32
firstknightwastrel, eth0 is stil recognized by new kernel but no internet connection...... warty09:32
Durakusty09:32
wastrelfirstknight: if you do ifconfig eth0  do you have an ip address?09:33
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Durakusif i get a game that says it requires windows to work can i still install and run in on linux?09:34
Durakuswell it has windows listed as in system requirements09:34
HostingGeekdaniels: here??????09:34
firstknightDurakus, it depends on...09:34
HostingGeekdaniels: look at PPRacer it should replace tuxracer09:34
firstknightwastrel, I got solution..... already09:34
firstknightwastrel, it has no internet connection with new kernel because09:35
firstknightwastrel, I add  acpi=off no_acpi in new kernel parameters....09:35
randabisI really wish I could get doom3 working :(09:36
Durakusdepends on?09:36
danielsHostingGeek: sorry, but i'm doing other things which aren't looking at games right now09:36
HostingGeekdaniels: i know... can you help me with x09:37
danielsnot unless you provide Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf09:37
firstknightDurakus, it depends on what game do u want to play....09:38
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HostingGeekdaniels: you read what i said before?09:39
danielsnot really09:39
mkerby1wastrel, I finally got those files copied :)09:39
HostingGeekdaniels: read it09:40
randabisit's strange, I can get doom3 working in warty, but nothing I try in hoary gets it going09:40
mkerby1randabis, I'm trying to get Doom3 working too09:40
randabishoary?09:40
mkerby1randabis, I'm using warty09:40
randabishmm09:40
randabisprobably not the same problem then09:41
randabiswhat happens when you try to run it?09:41
HostingGeekdaniels: in other words i am still having xorg problems09:41
mkerby1Probably not. But you've got my sympathy09:41
danielsHostingGeek: 08:37 < daniels> not unless you provide Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf09:41
mkerby1randabis, I'm still setting it up.09:41
danielsHostingGeek: it doesn't matter what the problem is, if I don't have those files, I can't work out what the problem is and fix it.09:41
randabisah, what's the problem?09:41
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randabisyou know you have to copy over your pk4 files from the cds right?09:42
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HostingGeekdaniels: i no where saw that and grep my log it doesn't show it09:42
randabisyou have to put them in /usr/local/games/doom3/base09:42
mkerby1randabis, I was having a terrible time copying the pk4 files, but with wastrel's help I've finally started doing it.09:42
randabisah great09:42
danielsHostingGeek: five minutes ago.09:43
danielsHostingGeek: right below 'i know... can you help me with x'09:43
mkerby1randabis, now if I could only get the cd player to give my disk back :(09:43
randabistype eject in a terminal09:43
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HostingGeekdaniels: nothing09:43
mkerby1randabis, I tried. But the cd player says it's still using it09:44
HostingGeekdaniels: must be a problem with the au freenode network it seems like i did 90% of talking since i entered09:44
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danielsHostingGeek: well, it's there, unless freenode decided it hates you and doesn't want you to get helped.09:44
HostingGeeklol09:44
danielsif you are having server problems, i suggest you switch servers.09:44
danielsbut you didn't need me to tell you that.09:44
HostingGeekdaniels: http://pastebin.com/229894 xorg.conf09:44
mkerby1randabis, finally the cd player decided to fork up :)09:45
randabishaha09:45
randabismaybe it was still copying something09:45
randabisthere are pk4 files on cd2 and cd3 as well that you need if you didn't copy those over yet09:45
HostingGeekdaniels: http://pastebin.com/229895 xorg log09:46
mkerby1randabis, I'm working on it. Are the pk4 files on all three cd's?09:46
wastrelhm  anyone else find rhythmbox crashy?09:46
randabisyes09:46
randabisno rythmnbox is fine09:46
mkerby1randabis, thanks. I thought they were only on the last two.09:46
stuNNedwastrel, yes, rhythmbox -d might help09:46
wastreljust crashed on me twice09:47
randabisexcuse the type09:47
wastreli'll just use xmms09:47
randabismkerby yeah all 3 cds has some...should have 1 or 2 each09:47
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randabisI think my problem is related to hoary though, unless bchunk didn't convert my bins to isos correctly, but I don't think so... md5s check out09:48
danielsHostingGeek: i don't know why you're trying 1600x1200_72.00 at all, but take the Modeline out and replace 1600x1200_72.00 with 1600x1200 elsewhere09:49
crimsundaniels: he was trying it for Xorg09:49
HostingGeekdaniels: wait resay that09:49
HostingGeekDagaZ: replace 1600x1200_72.00 with 1600x1200 elsewhere09:50
HostingGeekoops09:50
HostingGeek*daniels09:50
danielswhere you have "1600x1200_72.00", change that to "1600x1200"09:50
crimsunHostingGeek: in other words, revert to what you originally had.09:50
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HostingGeekdaniels: ok09:52
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HostingGeekdaniels: will restart soon09:54
discordi seem to be having trouble installing an ubuntu package do they have md5 sums09:55
discord?09:55
firstknightany opensource rar tools? I try to install rar fro m synaptic but it said it is shareware09:55
crimsunfirstknight: 'unrar'09:55
wastrelanyone know if the gnome systray plugin for xmms is packaged ?09:56
discordaptitude seems to hang while it is unpacking the package09:56
wastreland what's the pkg name09:56
discordanyone have flight gear installed?09:56
randabishmm weird problem with zsnes09:57
crimsunwastrel: 'gxmms' in universe.09:57
randabisI open it, change the video mode, and then clicking the mouse or pressing keys doesn't do anything09:57
randabisI had it in fullscreen, so I was stuck looking at zsnes not being able to do anything09:58
randabisI had to CTRL+ALT+F6 and kill zsnes to get back to my desktop09:59
wastrelcrimsun: that's a gnome applet, not the systray plugin :] 09:59
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crimsunwastrel: might check the plugins page, then. I'm not registering any systray ones.10:01
crimsunwastrel: unless 'xmms-status-plugin' provides what you need, but the terminology is less than lucid.10:01
wastrelxmms-status-plugin10:01
wastrelyeah :] 10:01
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wastreljust found it10:01
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randabisdamn I'm just having bad luck tonight :p10:04
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randabisha, now it works correctly10:05
randabisweird10:05
heliolithHey all; does anyone have a tip for reprobing the monitor resolution?  I'm stuck at 1024x768 as the highest option... I read here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/RreprobeMonitor to reboot in recovery mode, and run this from the root prompt: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86  but that doesn't work... any other ideas or hints?10:06
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Lowry1680x1050 1920x1200 supported?10:08
wfxhi, i have trouble with a crashed nautilus -> i cant restart it?10:08
heliolithLowry: my hardware supports higher resolutions 1200x1600 and what I want is something like 1280x1024 I think10:09
wfxbtw, it crash extrem often10:09
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wfxheliolith: and you want to know how to setup it?10:11
heliolithyes wfx; I want to have a higher resolution10:12
heliolithI've been searching for a bit on the forums; no luck yet10:12
wfxheliolith: sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-410:13
helioliththanks!10:13
wfxheliolith:  go to Section "Monitor"10:13
heliolithI have xf86cfg and xf86config but no xf86Config-410:14
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heliolithin /usr/X11R6/bin anyway10:14
wfxheliolith: do you have xorg.conf?10:15
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heliolithwfx not in that folder; ok10:15
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firstknightwhat is enterprise volume manager.... how can ubuntu load service like this at boot up?10:21
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CardinalSinmorning all.10:22
wfxback10:22
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wfxoh not longer here?10:22
mkerby1Goodnight all10:23
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heliolithwfx: you back?10:28
wfxyes10:28
wfxheliolith: yes10:28
heliolithhi.  could you repeat that monitor resolution config command?10:28
heliolithI tried running the cfg from root, relogging but it didn't change; I wouldn't need to completely reboot would I?10:29
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wfxheliolith: do open the config file do: sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-410:29
wfxfor me it it10:29
wfxis10:29
heliolithwfx: it IS necessary to reboot?10:30
randabisyou can CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE10:30
wfxgo to section Section "Monitor" (i mean fo me it is XF86Config-4 ;-)10:31
heliolithwfx: ok i'm in that file now, looking at the monitor/screen section10:31
heliolithwfx: Section "Monitor"10:32
heliolithIdentifier   "Generic Monitor"10:32
heliolithHorizSync    31.5 - 64.310:32
heliolithVertRefresh  43.0 - 72.010:32
heliolithOption    "DPMS"10:32
heliolithEndSection10:32
wfxheliolith: check that  "HorizSync  VALUE - VALUE"  and "VertRefresh  VALUE - VALUE" are ok for youre monitor10:32
wfx:)10:32
herman_are there some holidays atm?10:32
wfxthen go to "Section "Screen"10:33
heliolithwfx: I'm not sure, it's working fine in 1024x768 atm10:33
wfxheliolith: there is a line like Modes    "1600x1200" "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"10:33
wfxhmmm do you have the documentation of youre monitor10:34
heliolithwfx: yeah, one for each color depth10:34
heliolithwfx: eep it's old; I doubt it... but it's possibly findable10:34
wfxheliolith: ok if youre DefaultDepth     2410:34
wfxthen change the SubSection "Display" with the Depth     2410:35
heliolithwfx yeah, while you were on the phone I ran the binary executable cfg file and added a couple of resolutions to the mix... they're showing here10:35
heliolithwfx: SubSection "Display"10:36
heliolithDepth     2410:36
heliolithModes    "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1600x1200"10:36
heliolithEndSubSection10:36
wfx;-) perfect and it does not work?10:36
heliolithshould i reboot completely?10:36
wfxno why10:36
heliolith'cause i relogged and it's not selectable from the Computer >>System Config>>Screen Resolution menu10:37
wfxyou must restart the xserver10:37
heliolithwfx: ok (= how does one go about doing that?10:37
wfxlogout and in gdm do a [CTRL]  + [ALT]  + [BACKSPACE] 10:38
heliolith<---- first 24 hours with Linux10:38
wfxheliolith: the first a the best ;-)10:38
heliolithwfx: so when I'm at the login screen, do Ctrl alt bacspace?10:38
wfxyes10:38
heliolithok super brb thanks a lot10:38
wfxcu later ;-)10:39
wfxok i repeat my self does anyone know how bring up a crashed nautilus without leave gnome?10:40
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stuNNedwfx, usually in terminal 'nautilus' does the trick here, mostly10:40
heliolithHoooray!10:40
wfxstuNNed: does it not10:41
wfxheliolith: :-)10:41
heliolithwfx: Thanks a ton.  I'm indebted to the IRC channel... most grateful10:41
stuNNedwfx, what about in terminal 'killall -9 nautilus' then 'nautilus' ?10:41
wfxheliolith: copy youre config file to a save place (allway a good idea)10:41
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wfxstuNNed: there is no nautilus run10:42
heliolithwfx: the same one I just edited? make a backup copy?10:42
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wfxand i cant bring it up10:42
wfxheliolith: yes save it to any other place (where you can later read or copy back to youre system)10:43
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wfxstuNNed: if  i want start nautilus from a xterm i dont get any error message (and also no nautilus)10:44
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HostingGeekis there any free java vm that has a firefox plug in10:48
stuNNedblackdown10:48
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wfxnautilus is one big bug ;-)10:50
helioliththanks all: goodnight10:51
HostingGeekstuNNed: free10:51
HostingGeekstuNNed: as in open source10:51
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randabiswhat's wrong with the java vm from sun?10:51
HostingGeeknot free10:52
randabiswhy does it matteR?10:52
HostingGeekrandabis: ugly code10:52
wfx?10:52
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wfxdont think so, suns java  is ok10:52
HostingGeekrandabis: open source == more stable, can be included in debian/ubuntu reps10:52
spiralhi10:52
scizzoHostingGeek: ?10:53
scizzoHostingGeek: open source does not always mean more stable10:53
HostingGeekwfx: randabis: sun java has a nasty license10:53
HostingGeekscizzo: in this case yes10:53
wfxnautilus is also open but not stable ;-)10:53
randabis...10:53
HostingGeekwfx: thats the DEVEPLOMENT version10:54
HostingGeekwfx: and the maintainor went on holiday so not bug fixes for awhile10:54
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scizzoHostingGeek: there is more people then just the maintainer coding on nautilus10:55
wfxand the are coding for a long time on it10:55
wfxi like it but it is extrem unstable10:56
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scizzohttp://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/gnome/nautilus10:57
HostingGeekscizzo: the coding is cont. but the maintainor which makes the package isn't making it as he is not here, well that atleast what #gnome on gimpnet told me10:57
mriya3Does anyone know why there is no `qemu-mkcow` tool in hoary`s qemu package? How do I create disk images?10:57
scizzofor example that is a great page to look at from time to time10:57
scizzoHostingGeek: well I guess there is a difference in coding and creating the package10:57
randabisis there a way to change the icon that is display for an app in the taskbar? firefox's for example?10:58
mriya3ok... found it... it`s named qemu-img10:58
scizzorandabis: tried to look at the properties of the thingy?10:58
HostingGeekscizzo: this is why i voted to use cvs10:59
randabiswhen you right click it there are no properties, just things like switch to different workspace10:59
scizzorandabis: ummm...what?11:00
scizzorandabis: are you actually talking about right clicking on the icon or in the window itself?11:00
wfxhmmm, goole does also not help... so i must restart gnome :|11:01
randabishard to explain, I'm talking about my window list if that helps11:01
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randabisthe icon that is displayed by each app in the window list11:02
scizzothat I don't know11:02
scizzoI thought you ment the main icon for the application11:02
scizzo:P11:02
Lowrydoes/will ubuntu ppc support isight like with coriander?11:03
randabisnah, I have a starterbar for that11:03
randabisI just want to change the globe to the standard firefox icon11:03
spiralhmmm... why can't I find php5 under ubuntu ?11:03
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HcEspiral: php5 isn't in Debian Sid either11:04
HcEAFAIK it's still beta?11:04
spiralPHP5 Final Available11:05
spiralPosted in agkamai.com at 13th July 2004.11:05
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HcEspiral: browsing php.net now :)11:06
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HcEbut it's not packed in Debian Sid, and Ubuntu Hoary is based upon a snapshot of Debian Sid11:06
HcEeh11:07
HcEs/Hoary/Warty/11:07
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wood1Hi all11:07
spiralHcE: all right... sniff... what the hell are they doing in debian sid ? :-p11:07
HcEspiral: i dunno, maybe php5 is in Debian Experimental?11:08
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spiralHcE: I'll look after it to be sure of it :-)11:09
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wfxwow!!! the only way to get nautilus back was a system relaunch !!! this more the na bug11:10
spiralHcE: don't find it :( sniff11:11
HcEspiral: then make the .deb yourself and start maintaining it ;)11:11
lupus_wfx, maybe the problem was in gnome-vfs11:11
wfxlupus_:  i can say i get no error messages11:12
wfxthats ugly11:12
wfxi was think i install ubuntu on other pc to but when the filemanage breack the hole system...11:13
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trey3Fun question for everyone...11:14
wfxyes it is funny11:14
wfx;-)11:14
trey3If I'm not in the sudoers file... how would I put myself there?11:14
Cyberjamescan can help me what this kind of language? http://jldp.vimmerbytidning.se/chapter15.php11:14
trey3today's install disk doesn't appear to have wanted to put me in there... (hoary)11:14
wfxCyberjames: maybe sweden11:15
trey3Anyone?11:15
trey3cuz yeah... pretty useless in the current state...11:15
Cyberjameswfx there is no sweden on language list11:16
jdubtrey3: reboot into recovery mode11:16
Cyberjameswfx swedish?11:16
trey3jdub, and just edit the file there? would it work in init 1?11:16
wfxCyberjames: countrycode is se, yes sorry swedish ;-)11:16
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trey3jdub, thanks  :)11:17
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wfxxfce project has released version 4.2.0 ;-)11:25
Lowryisight and ppc linux11:26
Lowryhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/coriander/11:26
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no0ticwhere are haory cd arrays11:32
no0tic?11:32
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no0tichoary..11:32
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trey3jdub, thanks again... works now  :)11:32
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trey3jdub, maybe you know... I'm getting errors related to my sound card (actually volume control) ... my sound card works via snd-via82xx usually... but after modprobing this... I'm still getting "No volume control elements and/or devices found."11:34
trey3Never gotten this error before.. the sound card module is correct... so how would I fix the "volume control elements" error?11:35
jdubcat /proc/asound/cards11:37
jdubwhat's the first entry?11:37
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trey30 [rev50          ] : VIA686A - VIA 82C686A/B rev5011:37
jdubwhat else is in there?11:38
trey3VIA 82C686A/B rev50 with ICE1232 at 0xdc00, irq 511:38
trey3nothing else11:38
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raghuhi problem with upgrading webmin11:40
raghuit says no module proc11:40
raghuwhile upgrading11:40
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trey3jdub, any idea? lsmod shows "snd_via82xx" and "snd_ac97_codec" thus "0000:00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)" seems to be correct?11:43
raghuany body with this problem....is ther upgraded (.deb) package for it??......webmin..tar.gz...works fine11:43
jdublsmod | grep oss ?11:43
trey3jdub, paste all that is returned?11:44
jdubno11:44
jdubjust make sure the pcm and mixer emu modules are loaded11:44
trey32 entries relating to pcm... "snd_pcm_oss" and "snd_pcm" and 1 for mixer "snd_mixer_oss"11:45
wfxok i go, have a good time.11:45
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stuNNedhow to save playlist in vlc?11:46
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trey3jdub, I don't understand what is wrong?  :(11:47
trey3jdub, I suppose I could try the OSS module (via82xx)... but I was hoping to stay with just alsa..  :(11:48
jdubtrey3: the oss emu modules are loaded, that's file11:49
jdubfine11:49
jdubls /dev/dsp* ?11:49
trey3jdub, only /dev/dsp...11:50
haggaithat's normal, I only have /dev/dsp on my box too11:51
jdubyeah, not sure what's wrong.11:51
trey3jdub, sudo cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp returns "permission denied"... any other way to test raw sound?11:51
jdubtype 'groups'11:51
jdubdoes it include audio?11:51
trey3jdub, ahhh... no... was in that group via warty  :/11:52
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trey3jdub, hmm... in group... still permission denied  :(11:54
jdubtrey3: logout, login11:54
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trey3jdub, hmm... getting static now... I'm gonna be mad if its just cuz of not being in audio group  :P11:55
trey3jdub, brb11:55
Br|cehi folks11:56
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Br|cedoes anyone have an idea on why my "lo" iface isn't been brought up during startup ?11:56
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Br|cewell, in fact, seems like my /etc/init.d/network script fails at startup11:58
stvnBr|ce: just solved that problem here11:58
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stvnBr|ce: chech /etc/network/interfaces11:58
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Br|ceyeah, I already walk through it, but doesn't seem to be wrong11:59
Br|ceauto lo11:59
Br|ceiface lo inet loopback11:59
wood1hi all11:59
Br|cethere's only these two lines11:59
trey3jdub, sorry for wasting your time man... didn't even think to check that cuz warty added user to audio and video by default11:59
Br|cewell, plus comments of course11:59
stvnBr|ce: I had to add dhcp at the end of the line iface eth0 enet11:59
Br|ceI don't even have a iface eth0 enet12:00
Br|cein the file12:00
stvnBr|ce: no other lines at all?12:00
trey3jdub, thank you very much for helping though  :)12:00
Br|cenop12:00
stvnBr|ce: what kind of network connection do you have?12:00
Br|ceI indeed have an eth0 iface12:00
Br|ceand since some days, I must manually activate it12:00
wood1Can somebody help me with a Hoary problem12:00
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Br|cesince the network script fails12:01
stvnBr|ce: you need to add the eth0 configuration to that file12:01
Br|ceok12:01
Br|cebut that doesn't explain why my lo isn't brought up does it ?12:01
Br|cemmm, I'll reboot the computer so as to be sure of what's being brought up at startup12:02
scoonwhat's the problem wood112:02
stvnBr|ce: somehow if you don't get your eth0 interface up, your lo fails as well12:02
scoonjust ask it12:02
Br|cestvn: ok12:02
wood1I have an Intel 810 Mainboard, Warty ran fine but Hoary does not support a screen resolution above 680 X 48012:02
Br|cestvn: ohoh, just found something12:02
Br|cestvn: there is a iface eth0 inet line12:02
wood1scoon, It has happened 2 times already12:02
stvnBr|ce: i solved it by finishing the eth0 config in the file and sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart and i go lo back12:02
scoonwood1, and onbaord graphics12:02
Br|cestvn: but it's at the bottom of the file12:03
wood1Yes onboard graphics12:03
Br|cestvn: and there's many <CR> between ;)12:03
stvnheh12:03
Br|cebloody automatic config file parsing ;)12:03
scoonwood1, hmmm.  what did you do the last 2 times it happened12:03
stvnBr|ce: shouldn't matter, but check if the line starting with iface eth0 ends with dhcp or static (depending on your configuration)12:04
Br|cestvn: yup, as you told12:04
Br|cestvn: there's no dhcp at the end12:04
wood1Warty could run on a resolution of 1024 X 768 but Hoary only accepts 640 X 48012:04
Br|cestvn: nor static12:04
stvnk, add the one you need12:04
Br|cewhich is dhcp12:04
wood1scoon, I had installed Warty twice because of the same problem12:04
stvnprobably12:04
Br|cestvn: but shouldn't gnome-system-tools deal with that file ?12:04
stvnnot sure, you'd say so12:05
stvnBr|ce: file a bug12:05
Br|ceyep, I'll do that tonight12:05
stvnk12:05
Br|cequite busy at the moment, got a math exam in about 2 hours ;)12:05
scoonwood1, what do you get here: ls /etc/X11 | grep conf12:05
wood1Well It gives a weird output12:06
scoonwood1, all right.  well warty used xfree and hoary uses xorg.12:07
scoonwood1, the problem is probably just a poorly configured xorg.12:08
scoonwood1, try this: dpkg --configre xorg-common12:08
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scoonwood1, once you are done with that,12:08
scoonwood1, log out of your WM12:08
scoonwood1, and do a ctrl-alt-backspace to restart X12:08
wood1Well scoon thanks for the tips12:08
scoonwood1, that will get you back on track12:09
scoonwood1, but you MUST restart X for your changes to take effect.12:09
wood1Ok scoon, I wil try that12:09
wood1I am not using that Hoary Machine right now12:10
scoonwood1, whatever.  whenever you get to it.12:10
wood1Scoon, I just have to run: dpkg --configure xgorg-common right12:10
scoonwood1, yes12:12
scoonwood1, if for some reason that does not work12:12
scoonwood1, use this: /usr/X11R6/bin/xorgconfig12:12
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trey3jdub, oh... ps... all the errors related to default user I encountered are related to 20050116 iso... worth filing a bug?12:26
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disastersorry an bit of help...  someone know if ubunto go on performa PPC 5320 ?12:26
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Lowryg3 should work well12:36
Lowry604-603?12:36
disasterPPC603e, 120.0 MHz i think12:37
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Lowryhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2335&highlight=performa12:44
Lowryold world may be a probl,e12:45
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Lowryhttps://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallOnOldWorldMacs12:48
disastersorry who know how install ubunto on ppc performa PPC603e, 120.0 MHz , and in powermac 7500 (PPC 601, 100.0 MHz) or too smallest ?12:49
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no0ticI read a secunia security advisory on ubuntu kernel12:57
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no0ticbut today updating && upgrading didn't changed kernel12:57
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SteveAany reason ssh-askpass would stop working properly on hoary?01:04
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skarardhello people, i have a very strange error, and i am not sure how it can be sorted out01:05
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skarardhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11495 is the forum post, but i was wondering if any of you knew about this?01:06
skarardbasicly if u have acpi on the keyboard doesn't work and have acpi=off the hotplug doesn't work01:07
skarardbut this is only in the configuration of ubuntu i installed it just this morning01:07
no0tictry pci=noacpi01:07
skarardok01:07
odeezno0tic: are you using synaptic to install packages or command line apt ?01:08
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no0ticOddAbe19: apt01:08
no0ticodeez: apt01:08
no0ticodeez: why?01:09
odeezno0tic: so I know wether to walk you through checking in synaptic or apt for the package installed :)01:09
odeezpaste me the output of `dpkg --list linux-image*`01:09
odeezin pvt01:09
no0ticodeez: ah, I resolved, thanks anyway01:10
odeezah ok :)01:10
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no0ticodeez: I thought kernel was changed today, but I uploaded the right one few day ago01:10
zeedoyeh thats what i thought01:11
zeedowas going to check what version you had installed :)01:11
no0ticzeedo: but secunia released the advisory today01:11
zeedoyeh the original kernel advisory came out a while ago, ubuntu updated their kernel then released the update01:11
no0ticzeedo: 2.6.8.1-4-10.1601:11
zeedotakes time for that to get through to other sites01:11
zeedoyeh01:11
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Andeee^noob <-- needs some help installing Ubuntu :) if anyone can help would be much apreciated01:12
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no0ticAndeee^: what are the problems01:12
Andeee^wel..01:12
zeedoAndeee^: ask away :)01:12
Andeee^well i dunno where to start tbh01:12
no0ticAndeee^: insert the ubuntu cd and reboot01:13
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=== Topic for #ubuntu: Ubuntu support channel | FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ | Wiki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ | Mailing lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ | Forum: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ | Warty Guide: http://ubuntuguide.org | ATI vs nVidia flamewars are offtopic here.
=== Topic (#ubuntu): set by daniels at Sun Jan 9 07:21:43 2005
spiralsladen: all right, I'm preparing all this :-)03:22
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spiralsladen: no /proc/dstd... is it normal ?03:26
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dudi dont suppose anyone happens to know how exactly (apart from size), one can identify if a dvd disc is dvd9 or dvd5?03:28
krhagan19What is the topic today?03:28
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sladenspiral: sorry.  /proc/acpi/dsdt03:28
spiralsladen: do I need to copy-paste or can I join files ?03:29
sladenspiral: you'll need to   cat >  it into a separate file, as it you do a  cp  or  tar  it'll appear empty03:29
sladenspiral: you may also need to do an   apt-get install dmidecode03:29
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spiralsladen: ok, thanks... and on the bugzilla, where is the feature : insert a file ?03:29
sladenspiral: it's called "attach"03:30
spiralsladen: I must submit my text before attaching ?03:30
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sladenspiral: "Create new attachment"  ---yeah, I think you may need to03:31
spiralsladen: thanks03:31
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ProwerHello :> Has anyone tried the Xfce 4.2 installer in Warty?03:32
spiralsladen: I've already god dmidecode... finishing the files to attach03:33
Josh1982pls, tell me how to make gnome in another language like the live cd ?03:33
dudJosh1982, its best to choose another install language when you installed03:35
spiralsladen: I've send it & published the files03:36
dudbut you *can* change locale, but ive had various outcomes from doing that03:36
sladenspiral: okay, what's the bug number?03:36
sladenspiral: ah, /me has email03:36
spiralsladen: #559103:36
spiralsladen: yeah :-)03:36
Josh1982i had problems doing that, in console text was unreadable ;(03:37
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spiralRiddell: is it normal that the amaroK you build isn't in hoary ?03:42
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no0ticall wmv files are recognized by nautilus as asf and so nautilus doesn't start automatically the player, what can I do?03:46
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cardadorno0tic: rigth click on a wmv file, properties, open with, and change it to whatever you want03:49
Dr_WillisHmmm.. *sigh* fighting with my network printer under linux again.03:51
no0ticcardador: it's not that the problem03:51
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Dr_Willisuseing a 'network' adaptor on my old laser printer. using the gnome tool to configure the thing. But it never seems to actually see it or work.03:51
spiralsladen: does this inspire you ?03:52
Dr_Willisprinter supports, smb, ipp, lpd, and a few other services Ive never heard about. what would be the 'perfered' service/method to use?03:52
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no0ticcardador: it tells me: this file is not a wmv file as stated by the extension, it's a asf file, rename it or (for security) I can't start your player; translation from italian version03:53
no0ticcardador: both wmv & asf are played regularly by mplayer03:53
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cardadorno0tic: hmm that happened also to me some time ago. Have you tried to rename the file from wmv to asf?03:55
no0ticit's ok03:55
no0ticcardador: renaming to asf it starts automatically mplayer03:56
no0ticcardador: but they are wmv files!03:56
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karambolwhich services i dont need as a simple desktop user? an how i stop them?03:58
karambolwith rcconf?03:58
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zidohow do i configure the Linux Firewall?04:12
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no0ticzido: you can use ipkungfu04:14
zidono i cant :P04:14
spiralzido: firestarter ?04:14
no0ticzido: why you can't?04:15
zido?04:15
zidono0tic: command not found04:15
spiralzido: do you know apt-get ? :-p04:15
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zidoyapp04:16
zidogetting firestarter nwo04:16
zidonow*04:16
spiralzido: :-)04:16
no0ticzido: ipkungfu probably it's not a debian pack but it's very cool04:16
zido(firestarter:8138): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:04:16
zidowhen i try running firestarter after using apt-get04:17
no0ticzido: I didn't try firestarter though04:17
no0ticzido: you are tring to run firestarter in a remote connection?04:17
zidono0tic: i can't get ipkungfu with apt-get, unless it's got some other name04:17
zidono?04:17
zidoi'm at the computer04:17
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no0ticzido: have you read what I said before? ipkungfu it's not a deb package04:18
zidotjere we gp04:18
zidoi saw that after i wrote it :P04:18
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P900DEVILhi is anyone here?04:19
P900DEVILFile Server Online Triggers:/ctcp P900DEVIL !phone shit  /ctcp P900DEVIL !uiq-shit Sends:0/10 Queues:0/40 Accessed:0 times Online:0/5 RCPS:0 cps by n/a Served:0B in 0 files Current BW:0 cps AQT:No Wait MOTD: -= stfu if u cant get in =-04:19
no0ticzido: http://www.linuxkungfu.org/   try it04:19
P900DEVILhi is anyone here?04:19
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no0ticP900DEVIL: ?04:20
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P900DEVILok hi....i got a question..im a n00b to linux and im burning ubuntu to a cd right now....just wondering...how is it possible to create a ftp in ubuntu?04:20
zidook04:21
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no0ticP900DEVIL: a ftp server?04:21
P900DEVILyea04:21
bretzelP900DEVIL: What do you mean by "Create an FTP" ?04:21
P900DEVILftp server04:21
no0ticP900DEVIL: you can install ftpd04:21
no0ticP900DEVIL: and configure it04:22
bretzelP9000DEVIL: I rather suggest vsftp and it is easy to configure04:22
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P900DEVILwould this run fast on a old machine? (amd t-bird 1ghz 128mb sdram)04:23
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scizzoP900DEVIL: you call that old machine?04:23
no0ticzido: I installed firestarter right now, with no problems04:24
P900DEVILumm.....well im running winxp pro on a amd xp2k+ 7687mb ddr ram04:24
P900DEVILbleh04:24
P900DEVIL76804:24
spiralmjg59: just put the dmesg output...04:25
P900DEVILi had mandrake 10.1 on that machine for testing...but i have no clue how to set ANYTHING up04:25
mjg59spiral: Ah, that's you? Thanks04:25
spiralmjg59: :-)04:25
scizzoP900DEVIL: ummm...I am running mail, web and a few other things on a 333Mhz with 64MB ram04:25
scizzoP900DEVIL: that machine that you have is not old04:25
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bretzel...And me have a question : I want to install local pkg for having gnome in other language : only english is installed now I cannot find others...04:26
P900DEVILlol....ok but would it be ok to handle full load on a 10mbit line for ftp?04:26
mjg59spiral: Can you add /var/log/dmesg as well?04:26
robertjscizzo: i'm gonna have to say that the 1ghz machine is an old machine04:26
spiralmjg59: allright :-)04:26
carambolwhich services i can stop as a simple user(desktop)04:27
parazoid7Hey, i just found 'beneath a steel sky' & 'flight of the amazon queen' through Synaptic..cool :). Both are freeware. Remember to get 'Scummvm' too.04:27
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merlin500plz help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11512 :(04:28
P900DEVILguys wish me luck...im gonna install ubuntu now04:28
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scizzobretzel: a local package?04:28
spiraldamned ctrl+alt+backspace...04:29
scizzobretzel: dpkg-reconfigure locales04:29
bretzelscizzo: yeah, I want gnome in french but when I installed I choosen english because I don't want console and bin utils in french tho ,04:29
bretzelscizzo: ah! ok thanks :-)04:30
scizzobretzel: select the languages you want...04:30
scizzobretzel: restart gnome and select the right language in GDM then start gnome04:30
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merlin500http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1151204:30
spiralmjg59: done :-)04:31
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bretzelscizzo: done: :-) duh! If only I could  find  docs about basic config tools like that ...04:32
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mjg59spiral: Ok, thanks. The lack of battery is due to it being a smart battery rather than a traditional one - with luck, we'll have that supported in Hoary04:34
jazzkahi everybody!04:34
jazzkaIf I use: mount -o umask=000 /dev/sda9 /mnt/usbDisk/04:34
jazzkamount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda9,04:34
jazzka       or too many mounted file systems04:34
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jazzkabut I can mount it with: mount /dev/sda9 /mnt/usbDisk04:35
jazzkabut a normal user can't write on it, any help?04:35
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zenroxjazzka,  wrong commandt04:35
crimsunyou want pmount.04:35
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jazzkapmount?04:35
crimsunpmount /dev/sda9 usbdisk04:35
jazzka pmount - mount arbitrary hotpluggable devices as normal user04:35
jazzkasounds great04:35
bretzelgrrrr: Something is missing - I have the choice ( fr_CA) in the language selection, but at GDM logon it says that fr_CA cannot be found ??04:35
crimsunthen it will appear on your desktop (and under /media/usbdisk)04:36
bretzelrebooting ...04:36
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jazzkaand, can I unmount it with umount?04:38
jazzkapumount, ok ;)04:38
no0tichow do I create loop devices?04:38
no0ticI was used to do it with losetup04:38
mjg59spiral: The speedstep bit is a bit harder.04:39
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no0ticI want to mount an iso image via a loopback dev04:39
bretzelscizzo: ah! I had to reboot :-)04:39
no0ticbut mount -o loop doesn't work04:39
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cardadorno0tic: i think you have to modprobe loop04:39
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no0ticcardador: tnx04:40
no0ticcardador: I have to do so everytime I need it?04:40
spiralmjg59: sgnifff... And for the battery... Is that smart battery, when will there be a driver for it on hoary ?04:40
cardadorno0tic: add it to /etc/modules04:40
mjg59spiral: Depending on how things go, possibly some time next week04:40
no0ticcardador: I want it to load automagically when it's necessary04:40
mjg59But no guarantees04:40
no0ticcardador: not at boot04:40
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no0ticcardador: and unload after I utilized it04:41
bretzelno0tic: from cdrecord manpage:  mount cdimage.raw -r -t iso9660 -o loop /mnt04:41
spiralmjg59: all right for this one, so... Will apt-get -u dist-upgrading grab this automatically ?04:41
mjg59spiral: Yes04:41
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cardadorno0tic: i dont know how to do that04:41
spiralmjg59: nice for this one... And about speedstepping, have you got any idea why this doesn't work, or maybe sladen ?04:41
merlin500plz help me http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1151204:41
mjg59spiral: sladen is the right person to talk to, but it's due to your ACPI tables not seeming to contain enough information04:42
mjg59If you're lucky, falling back to the ACPI cpu management might work04:42
spiralmjg59: how should I do this ?04:42
spiralmjg59: or fix these boring ACPI tables ?04:43
tritiumIt's cool that I got suspend-to-RAM working before my trip today :)04:43
mjg59spiral: sladen's probably the right person to talk to - I'm afraid I don't know too much about it04:43
mjg59tritium: What kernel? Using ACPI or APM?04:43
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spiralsladen: have you got any idea ?04:44
firstknightI installed fluxbox by synaptic, and guess after running, I can swear it is blaxbox not fluxbox.... any idea?04:44
cardadormerlin500: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, go to Section "Device" and change the driver to "vesa". it should get you a working X.04:45
tritiummjg59, 2.6.10-2, acpi, Dell C84004:45
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sladenspiral: yeah, the DSDT is buggy.  needs disassembling, patching, recompiling and appending to initrd04:45
sladenspiral: for the moment, can you try force-loading speedstep-smi and that might get you a cpu speed/heat drop for the moment04:46
scizzobretzel: you should only need to restart X04:46
tritiummjg59, Only thing, I have to remove my wireless lan card first.  I tried having "orinoco_cs" removed in the sleep script, but no luck there.04:46
scizzobretzel: but yes..that depends if you want to use french normally04:46
firstknightHi, is ubuntu compatible with debian testing or debian unstable?? I want to install pgadminIII. There are packages for debian stable, testing, and unstable.....04:47
tritiummjg59, I mean I set that in /etc/default/acpi-suppport04:47
sladenspiral: if you google for  $model_name acpi linux dsdt  you may find that somebody else already has a patched dsdt04:47
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tritiummjg59, and suspend-to-disk isn't working for me yet.  I'll be happy to add to "HoaryPMResults" upon my return.04:48
mjg59tritium: Hm. The cardctl eject ought to take care of that. How irritating.04:48
mjg59tritium: What's the problem with suspend-to-disk?04:48
bretzelscizzo: I don't care to reboot :-) thanks for that quick help :-)04:49
tritiummjg59, I don't recall for sure.  In part, I'm confused by /etc/default/acpi-support saying to use "platform" if you want to "shutdown"04:50
tritiumAnd the default hibernate_mode is set to "shutdown"04:51
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mjg59tritium: Ah. I'll add an extra comment.04:51
tritiummjg59, Thanks!  In short, what's the difference?04:51
mjg59tritium: "Platform" means that the kernel uses ACPI to suspend the machine, which means you can get it to wake back up on lid opening and the like04:51
mjg59tritium: "Shutdown" means that the kernel just switches the power off, like doing shutdown -h04:52
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mjg59"Shutdown" works on more machines, "platform" means you get more flashy lights04:52
tritiummjg59, okay, that rings a bell.  Instead of "hibernating", it did shutdown, requiring a full reboot.04:52
tritiumProbably just my fault for not changing that.04:52
tritiumI would imagine it works just fine.04:53
sladenmjg59: platform is still different from s4_bios ?04:53
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mjg59sladen: Yes04:53
bretzelI have a question regarding pop3 server: I have courrier-pop3 running but certainly not fine-configured - but I dunno what I need to be "visible" from the net ( yet I have dyndns.org account ) --04:53
mjg59tritium: Hm. You shouldn't need to change it. But at the moment, pressing the power button will shut down, rather than hibernating04:54
mjg59sladen: platform uses the OS to save state and ACPI to put the machine in a low power mode04:54
mjg59Whereas s4_bios uses ACPI to save state04:54
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tritiummjg59, I had to disable video posting.04:54
bretzelah - forgot : external smtp to put mails from outside into my machine ...04:54
mjg59tritium: Mm. I'm getting close to deciding that video posting isn't worth the pain.04:54
spiralsladen: I'm looking for it04:54
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aethera:(04:55
tritiummjg59, Maybe so.04:55
topyliahh... mobile irc. how inconvenient :)04:55
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spiralsladen: no... sniff... acer 1682 acpi linux dsdt : no answer returned04:56
spiral:-/04:56
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sladenmjg59: I suspect that the vberestore should be enough04:56
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tritiummjg59, thanks for the help.  Chat with you more after my trip.04:56
sladenspiral: try somem other siimilar strings, add/drop words04:56
mwh_Hi, I just installed a custom kernel and noticed that automounting of usb-devices doesnt work, automounting cdroms do work though, also I can mount the usb-devices manually, anyone know what I should look for in the kernel to have automagic work for usb-devices?04:57
sladenmwh_: why have you needed to install a custom kernel?04:57
zidono0tic: it worked here to, i just tried starting it with "su -" first :P04:57
parazoidDoes anyone run Ubuntu with a Radeon9500pro?04:57
spiralsladen: http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/tables/Acer/... But I don't find my model there... :-/04:58
sladenzido: what did you try starting with su - ?04:58
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mwh_sladen: do you know what I should look for?04:59
spiralsladen: hmmm... this is because of my dsdt that speedstep doesn't work on hoary whereas it worked on warty ?05:00
sladenmwh_: out of interest, why did you need to compile a custom kernel---if there's something you need, we'd rather get it into the default kernel05:00
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sladenspiral: I don't think it worked on warty either...  (unless  cpufreq-acpi  worked by by default)05:01
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spiralsladen: I can assure you that when I looked at /proc/cpufreq, it showd me a range of frequencies...05:02
mwh_sladen: out of interest, do you know something about what might be wrong?05:02
mwh_sladen: plain yes or no05:02
spiraland that I got /proc/cpuinfo showing for example 600 MHz05:02
spiralwhen I was back in hoary05:02
spiralwarty sorry05:02
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parazoidHave anyone had bad experience with ATI radeon grafikcards & Ubuntu?05:04
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mz2parazoid, i've had good experiences05:06
mjrparazoid, there was just somebody else who'd run into problems with a 9500pro, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1151205:06
Alberthi!05:06
AlbertI just installed Ubuntu and I'm having trouble installing my network printer. how do I do it? anyone?05:06
mjrmy 9250 works fine (but I did have to change the driver to "radeon" explicitly, fixed in hoary)05:06
parazoidmjr, yes, i know. He?s the one i?m trying to help :905:07
mjrrighto :)05:07
snowblinkhi - I'm trying to install Ubuntu 4.10, but the install stops at bsdutils (8%). Any ideas?05:08
mjrby the way, I suggested the above already, didn't help :)05:08
spiralsnowblink: md5 is correct ?05:08
mjrsnowblink, faulty media05:08
mz2snowblink, have you tested your medium?05:08
sladenmwh_: lots of people can probably help if you give more details.  One of the most useful things is an indication of anything you might have changed from the default config.05:08
snowblinkmd5 matches05:08
Alberthow do I install my network printer guys? :)05:09
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parazoidmjr, He just installed Ubuntu, but gets the massages: 'graphical user interface could not be loaded' as you can see. Any clue?05:09
mjrno clues. Except maybe ask him to show what the XFree86.0.log shows05:09
aetheraparazoid: how much ram does the mahcine have?05:09
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mz2Albert, have you tried using the printer configuration tool in Computer -> System configuration -> Printing?05:10
mwh_sladen: its a kernel.org kernel, made from scratch05:10
snowblinkmz2: what is the best way to test? I burned a copy and a friend did too - both having same problem05:10
mwh_sladen: hal and udev works nicely05:10
mwh_sladen: the device for the usb-key is created05:10
parazoidaethera, 512mb05:10
mwh_sladen: and hal displays it nicely in the device manager05:10
aetherahmmm05:11
aetheralooks at the xfree logs05:11
aetheralook even05:11
sladenmwh_: forgive me.  What /doesn't/ work?05:11
parazoidaethera,  why?05:11
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aetheraparazoid: RTFM05:12
mz2snowblink, same effect on entirely diff computers, with different cd's? and the md5 matches? sounds a bit peculiar05:12
aetherathe logs will show errors05:12
mwh_sladen: the device is not mounted automagical and nautilus does not show the device05:12
aetheraneway I am gonna hce a 1 hour nap05:12
aetherabbl05:12
snowblinkmz2: saw a notice on forum about bad RAM - doing a memory check now05:13
parazoidaethera, Could you tell which specifik log to look in? And waht does RTFM mean?05:13
aetheramwh_: put it in you fstab05:13
aetheraparazoid: the Xfree log05:14
aetherathat someone has pointed out05:14
parazoidaethera, ok :)05:14
mwh_aethera: no, it should not be in the fstab05:14
aetheramwh_: so how is it going to automount?05:14
snowblinkmz2: trying to install to same computer - so could be box at fault. Does overclocking effect?05:15
sladenmwh_: could be unrelated.  Is gnome-volume-manager running05:15
mwh_aethera: well what I meant to say was that I should not put it in the fstab, the system should do that05:15
aetheramwh_: are you on drugs?05:15
sladenparazoid: RTFM means  Read The Fabulous Manual  :-)05:15
aetheraTHIS IS NOT WINDOWS05:15
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mwh_sladen: yes it is05:16
sladenit's a jbailey it is05:16
mwh_aethera: no, in ubuntu usb devices are mounted automagically05:16
Albertthanks mz205:16
aethera/dev/sda        /media/usb0     auto    rw,user,noauto  0       005:16
aethera/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       005:16
mwh_aethera: I changed my kernel and now it does not, I need to find out why05:17
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elyseumanybody who knows how i can make my canoscan 3000 to work?05:17
elyseumxsane doesn't support it :(05:17
firstknightanyone using firefox from ubuntu package??? It is buggy....05:17
mz2snowblink, same computer, different cd's give the same effect? i've had problems with my hd controller on some linux installers (not recently, though), one thing to check whether ppl have had similar probs with your motherboard and maybe try adjusting the parameters given to the installer on bootup accordingly05:17
elyseumfirstknight, install the 1.0 version05:18
elyseumi don't have any probs with it05:18
elyseumbut don't use the update function cuz it gives an error05:18
firstknightelyseum, sure u dont but why doesn't ubuntu upgrade the firefox???05:18
mz2"one thing to check _is_ whether..." is what i was supposed to say :)05:18
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elyseumthat's a bug05:19
snowblinkmz2: correct, same computer different CDs. Will check MB issues. Thanks.05:19
elyseumdo a fresh install and it'll be better05:19
elocalATI or NVIDIA?05:19
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sladenmwh_: can you flick back to a different kernel and see if the problem still shows up?  Then compare the output of the kernel messages/hotplug/udev/dbus for the two occasions05:20
pepsiwhy doesnt ubuntu see my cdrom drive?05:21
mjrelocal, old (<=9250) ati if you want free drivers, nvidia if you want proprietary speed05:21
elocalI was just kidding05:22
elocaltrying to start a flame war05:22
mwh_sladen: yes I can do that05:22
mwh_sladen: two secs05:22
elocalby any chance anyone running cedega and 6629 nvidia drivers under Ubuntu?05:22
aetherado you think that just apears there?05:24
aetherathe installation does that05:24
aetheranot GOD05:24
aetherahmmm05:24
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spiralsladen: hmmm... I think I have an ubuntu livecd... If I manage to find it on my desktop... I shall try with it, thanks :-)05:25
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aetherahmmm laps in international bandwidth05:27
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Skwid_how can i see the log from boot ?05:29
pmfpdmesg05:29
Skwid_thx05:29
crimsunSkwid_: /var/log/dmesg05:30
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Skwid_hummm05:32
cavediverHi. I'm having trouble getting Enigmail to work in Thunderbird. When i look in about enigmail it sais service not availible.05:32
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Skwid_and where do i know which kernel i am using ?05:33
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jazzkahi!05:34
snowblinkSkwid_: uname -a05:34
spiralSkwid_: uname -a05:34
cavediveruname -r05:34
jazzkaI've pmounted a device, I try pumount and it says that the device is busy05:34
Skwid_ok :)05:34
jazzkabut actually I'm not using it05:34
jazzkahow can I unmount it?05:35
cavedivertry umount -n05:35
crimsunjazzka: right-click in on the desktop and choose unmount05:35
jazzkaor how can I know which process is using that device?05:35
crimsuns/in/it/05:35
Skwid_did anybody upgrade ubuntu recently and noticed a change in the gnome menus ?05:35
cavediverjazzka: using lsof.05:35
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jazzkacrimsun, I've tried that too, doesnt work05:35
crimsunjazzka: do you have any nautilus windows open browsing it?05:35
mwh_sladen: hmm its hard to find the source of the problem, it will probably be a while before I find it, thanks for your help so far.05:36
jazzkacrimsun, no05:36
crimsunjazzka: if not, use lsof or fuser to find the culprit process (it's probably fam-related)05:36
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spiralI got it !!!05:36
spiralhmmm...05:36
spiralI did "modprobe acpi"...05:36
spiraland this time it worked...05:36
spiralpowernowd has decreased my cpufreq05:37
spiralhow can I make sure acpi modprobes at boot ?05:37
spiraladding it in /etc/modules ??05:37
Skwid_where is the grub config file ??05:37
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crimsunSkwid_: /boot/grub/menu.lst05:37
Skwid_oh ok05:37
Skwid_i was looking in /etc05:37
Skwid_as for lilo :/05:37
Skwid_thx05:37
spiralsladen: is that good for modprobing it at boot please ?05:38
deeayzedarareeenhi folks, ive just loaded warty and I can't figure how to add items to the menu.05:39
crimsundeeayzedarareeen: applications:///05:39
sladenspiral: I'm think I'm going to add a hack to powernowd that tries  acpi  in the case that 'speedstep-centrino' fails05:39
deeayzedarareeentried crimsun, icons in that folder dont reflect my menu05:40
deeayzedarareeenie xmms missing05:40
crimsundeeayzedarareeen: logged out and back in?05:40
sladenspiral: it won't help your battery display problems though05:40
deeayzedarareeenwill try, thx05:40
spiralsladen: for this, it might be solved with smart battery driver...05:40
spiralsladen: I hope05:40
mjg59sladen: The battery problem is just due to Acer's obsession with smart batteries05:41
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spiralhow can I set up the policy used by powernowd ?05:41
sladenspiral: have you figured out whether it does have a 'smart battery'05:41
spiralmjg59: have you ?05:41
sladenspiral: /etc/powernowd*05:41
spiralsladen: I don't have /etc/powernowd... :-/05:42
crypticreignwhat is universe?05:42
crypticreignnon-free?05:42
Skwid_i have sound problems :(05:42
crypticreignor extra software05:42
crypticreign?05:42
Skwid_xine totem and all those work05:42
Skwid_but xmms and beepmp wont work :(05:42
crimsunSkwid_: tell xmms and b-m-p to use esd05:43
Skwid_crimsun: i did05:43
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spiralmjg59: is that right ? Do I have a "smart battery" ? Shall it be handled in ubuntu ?05:43
mjg59sladen: All modern Acers do05:43
jatoswhere can I find the source to ubuntu?05:43
Skwid_crimsun: under the other plugins they just freeze anyway...05:43
crimsunSkwid_: and what error does either give?05:43
spiralis userspace a good policy for cpufreq ?05:43
Skwid_crimsun: none05:43
crimsunjatos: on archive.ubuntu.com05:44
Skwid_crimsun: it looks as if it's playing05:44
Skwid_but no sound comes out05:44
jatosok05:44
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jonook, the Mark Shuttleworth interview on LUGRadio is available05:44
jatosI am set on customising the way ubuntu runs...05:45
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jatoshow big are the sources?05:46
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spiralil vaut mieux userspace ou ondemand ?05:47
crimsunSkwid_: what options are set for the esound plugins for xmms and b-m-p?05:47
parazoidhttp://www.adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html - check out nr.805:48
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Skwid_crimsun: 3000 ms - 25%05:48
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crimsunSkwid_: ensured that esd is running?05:49
spiralI bget ondemand working... it doesn't need any daemon... nice :-)05:49
spiralI'm rebooting to see if it keeps the setting :-)05:50
spiralbye05:50
Skwid_crimsun: how ? :/05:50
crimsunSkwid_: pgrep esd05:50
Skwid_skwid@LostOcean:~ $ pgrep esd05:50
Skwid_874805:50
crimsunSkwid_: and/or: lsof /dev/dsp* ; lsof /dev/snd/*05:50
Skwid_skwid@LostOcean:~ $ lsof /dev/dsp*05:51
Skwid_COMMAND  PID  USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME05:51
Skwid_esd     8748 skwid    5w   CHR   14,3      8732 /dev/dsp05:51
kentI read on wikipedia about Mac OSX  and that it also had a "sudo" based design, is this true? I have not used osx :(05:51
crimsunkent: yes.05:51
crimsunSkwid_: ok, so the problem seems to lie in xmms's and b-m-p's esd plugins.05:51
Skwid_:/05:52
kentcrimsun, so, administration-programs also asks for the users password, like ubuntu?05:52
crimsunSkwid_: try this: pkill esd . Then select the alsa or oss plugin for xmms and b-m-p, and try to play a sound file.05:52
Skwid_crimsun: i think it will freeze :(05:52
crimsunkent: administrative programs that require superuser privileges, yes.05:52
Skwid_crimsun: still nothing05:53
crimsunSkwid_: with which plugins?05:54
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Skwid_crimsun: oss05:54
crimsunSkwid_: and when you try alsa?05:55
Skwid_same05:55
crimsunSkwid_: are you using an ~/.asoundrc?05:55
crimsunSkwid_: what sound chipset?05:55
SpugWhen I have connected another monitor, can I switch to it?05:55
Skwid_hum05:55
Skwid_intel05:55
linuxboywhen is kde going to be in ubuntu05:55
crimsunlinuxboy: it's in universe.05:55
Skwid_crimsun: but xine works great05:55
linuxboycrimsun: great05:56
parazoidlinuxboy, can?t you just install it?05:56
crimsunSkwid_: lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0  <-- does that return anything?05:56
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Skwid_skwid@LostOcean:~ $ lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x005:56
Skwid_snd_intel8x0           29984  105:56
crimsunSkwid_: what are xine and totem configured to use?05:57
aetheraok05:57
aetherawho can I get mad at now :P05:57
Riddelllinuxboy: kde is in universe, it will be moved to main at some point05:57
Skwid_crimsun: hum ...05:58
linuxboyparazoid: where can I get a list of all the files in universe?05:58
aetheralinuxboy: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/05:58
aetheraRTFM05:58
Riddelllinuxboy: synaptic, apt-cache05:59
Skwid_crimsun: i think they use esound05:59
Skwid_cause if i kill the esd process they stop playing sound06:00
crimsunSkwid_: please generate strace output for xmms and b-m-p when you use their respective esd plugin06:00
crimsun+s06:00
Skwid_crimsun: how do I do that ? :s06:00
crimsunSkwid_: read the man page for strace. [strace -o foo.txt -fF xmms some.mp3] 06:01
SpugHow can I switch to using an external monitor that's connected to my laptop?06:02
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Rbk http://olsza-w-no.blog.onet.pl Pleas look...06:02
crimsunRbk: why, what's there?06:02
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Skwid_crimsun: done06:03
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crimsunSkwid_: paste it on pastebin.com06:03
spiralsniff... I need to keep powernowd, but this works great...06:03
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spiralnice not to hear my fan all the time :-)06:03
robertj is there a Admin applet for Power management that's not in desktop on hoary?06:03
Skwid_crimsun: do i need to let it play for a while ?06:04
crimsunSkwid_: 10 seconds is enough.06:04
Skwid_wow its huge06:04
lumpihi choulth, 310 sinds jetzt ;)06:04
linuxboyif i install qcad from universe.... it says: qcad: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.2.3-3) but it is not installable06:05
choulthright Lumpi, but the wrong language ;)06:05
lumpioh oh06:05
choulthhehe, you should switch to englisch :D06:05
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Riddelllinuxboy: hoary or warty?06:06
linuxboyRiddell: warty06:06
lumpihi choulth, i can't find this f... switch06:06
Riddelllinuxboy: with universe enabled?06:06
Skwid_crimsun: it's still sending ..06:07
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linuxboyRiddell: yes, its the only line in sources06:07
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Riddelllinuxboy: works for me, what does it say when you  apt-get install libqt3c102-mt06:09
linuxboyRiddell: E: Package libqt3c102-mt has no installation candidate06:09
linuxboyRiddell: must I also have main in sources.list?06:09
crimsunlinuxboy: yes, you need 'main'06:09
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Riddelllinuxboy: yes, you always need main06:10
Riddell"deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe"06:10
RiddellI didn't know qt was in main, good oh06:10
linuxboyRiddell: works with main in it :)06:10
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aethera:)06:10
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Skwid_crimsun: it wont post :/06:15
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Skwid_crimsun: here it is: http://lostocean.net/temp/log_bmp.txt06:17
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gustav_Hi, does anyone know why there's no sound in Frozen Bubble when starting from game menu06:19
gustav_it works great when starting from terminal06:19
monhi, i always used moz-thunderbird in Gentoo. now i'd like to use my .thunderbird in Ubuntu. should this "just work"?06:20
mriya3@gustav disable sounds for events06:20
gustav_ok06:20
mriya3@gustav because of the sound when you click on the menu entry, esd blocks the audio device06:20
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gustav_mriya3: thank you, it worked06:21
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gustav_those sounds have always anoyed me anyway06:21
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lordangustav_ if you don't want them you can disable the sound server alltogether06:22
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gustav_lordan: that just removes the ubuntu sounds and not the other sounds?06:23
lordanit removes the gnome system sounds, yes06:24
gustav_lordan: great, thank you again06:24
zerokarmalefti'm trying to mount /proc/bus/usb as a usbfs on bootup, but apparently the usb subsystem isn't initialized when /etc/fstab is parsed...is there another way i can mount usbfs at bootup?06:24
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CygnusxHi06:26
P900DEVILomg i just finished ubuntu...it's so easy to use! just like windows!06:26
Cygnusxis there atm standard on the installation the choise of using XPDE as desktop enviroment06:27
crimsunSkwid_: It looks like a esd plugin problem. I'll look more closely in 90 minutes.06:27
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Skwid_crimsun: no hurry06:27
Skwid_don't waste your time06:27
Skwid_it's not worth it ..06:28
HappyFoolCygnusx: I'm guessing you mean xfce. try apt-cache search '^xfce'06:28
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_martinzerokarmaleft: Do you have a custom kernel or the factory Ubuntu?06:29
zerokarmaleftfactory ubuntu06:29
Cygnusxno06:30
Cygnusxxpde06:30
Cygnusxhttp://www.xpde.com/shots.php06:30
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_martinzerokarmaleft: OK, if you've ever built custom kernels, you could build usbfs right in, not as a module.  Is that an option?06:30
zerokarmaleftother filesystem drivers are compiled as modules in the stock kernel as well, aren't they?06:32
zerokarmalefte.g. vfat, ntfs06:33
lordanok, just checked xpde out06:33
zerokarmaleftand those mount fine at bootup06:33
forcottonCygnusx, why do you want to use xpde?06:34
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sangriaghi, anyone had previous experience with ubuntu in amd64?06:35
sangriagAnd whether the deb sources are readily acceptable for apt-get in ubuntu?06:35
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_martinzerokarmaleft: Checkin... Yes, you're absolutely right, they're all modules. I'm out :-(06:35
forcottonCygnusx, you can download the tarball from there site and install it by following the INSTALL file in the tarball06:36
forcottonCygnusx, you'll need X installed. try apt-get install xserver-xorg06:36
zerokarmaleft_martin, the only thing i can think of is /proc isn't getting mounted before it's trying to mount /proc/bus/usb06:36
sangriaglet me inform you that I am new to ubuntu ;-)06:37
thenukewhat is /proc06:37
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zerokarmaleftthenuke, a filesystem that lets you peek inside kernel internals06:37
forcottonzerokarmaleft, those modules go into initrd so they can be found before mounting /06:38
zerokarmaleftforcotton, all filesystem modules or just some of them?06:38
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thenukezerokarmaleft: Oookey... hmm.. and is proc abbreviation of something?06:38
HappyFoolthenuke: try typing 'man proc' at a shell prompt06:38
forcottonzerokarmaleft, I've never checked that ;)06:38
HappyFool"process information pseudo?filesystem"06:39
thenukeHappyFool: thanks for the tip but.. "you dont have permission to access /cgi-bin/unixhelp/man-cgi on this server" :)06:39
_martinzerokarmaleft: Does /var/log/messages say anything?  dmesg?06:39
thenukeI wonder if it is possible to apt-get manpages?06:39
zerokarmaleftdmesg says usbfs driver is registered06:39
jackmacokc_martin: its my system in question, i'll check the log message06:39
thenukethis damn small linux uses those man pages from the web, and that site have been broken for ages06:40
forcottonzerokarmaleft, you can check contents of the initrd by mounting the image with -t cramfs -o loop06:40
sangriagis ubuntu is similar to vanilla debian?06:40
ElladanMore or less06:40
HappyFoolthenuke: apt-get install manpages ought to work06:40
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ACID|nethey all06:41
ACID|netive just placed an order for my 12" ibook :D :D :D :D06:41
sangriagElladan: will it compatible with debian repositories of packages?06:41
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sangriagElladan: do you have any experience with ubuntu in amd64 machines?06:42
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sangriagAnd how are the 32bit applications are handled?06:42
Skwid_how come my ubuntu doesnt have the /lib/modules/2.6.10-2-386/build rep ???!!!06:42
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HappyFooli did an "apt-get dist-upgrade", and now my linux-kernel-headers is out of sync with the new kernel -- any ideas how to force a sync ?06:43
jackmacokc_martin: i dont see anything in /var/log/messages -- at least error-wise06:43
caleb_Does anybody have NetworkManager working in Ubuntu?  I've found a page for it in the wiki, but I'm getting an "undefined symbol: iw_scan" error when starting NM.  I'm running Warty06:43
Skwid_and why do I have 2 reps under /lib/modules ?!!06:44
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jackmacokcforcotton: how exactly do i need to mount initrd to view its contents?06:45
_martinjackmacokc: forcotton said that these modules gets loaded in initrd in order to be available early.  Have you checked your initrd image?06:45
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jackmacokc_martin: how do i do that06:45
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_martinjackmacock: hang on...06:46
jackmacokck06:46
Elladansangriag: No, only ia32.  I actually haven't tried using debian repositories with it.06:46
forcottonjackmacokc, sudo mount -t cramfs initrd.img-2.6.10-2-686-smp -o loop /mnt06:46
Skwid_help :'(06:46
mckelveyfhello, i am currenly running debian testing? is there any way to more to switch to ubuntu without formating the drive?06:46
Elladansangriag: Gotta go...06:47
forcottonjackmacokc, if you want to change something, you might want to man mkinitrd06:48
jackmacokcforcotton: it says could not find any device /dev/loop#06:48
jackmacokcthat brings me to another question, if i have a hyperthreaded P4 - should i use the 686-smp kernel?06:49
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crypticreignstrange.. i cant ls this directory even tho my user account has grp and own on all the files and directories06:49
forcottonjackmacokc, yes you should use 686-smp to enable ht06:49
forcottonare you using the stock kernel?06:50
jackmacokci'm using 686 kernel06:50
jackmacokcwithout smp06:50
jackmacokci'll upgrade the kernel later06:50
zerokarmaleftforcotton, yes, it's the stock kernel06:50
jackmacokcoh, by stock i thought you meant 38606:50
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forcottonI've no idea why there is no loop device then...06:51
jackmacokcwhat is a loop device06:52
_martinjackmacock: I figured you'll be able to mount it using the loopback interface, but my factory kernel does not seem to have support for loopback built in???06:52
HappyFoolsudo modprobe loop06:52
forcottonmaybe you can do a modprobe loop, but that's supposed to happen automatically06:52
_martinAh, thanks.06:52
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Skwid_i'm missing rep :'(06:52
jackmacokchappyfool: it gives me nothing when i do that06:52
_martinsudo modprobe loop06:52
zerokarmaleftjackmacokc, try mounting initrd again06:52
HappyFoolwell, now try your mount -o loop command, or whatever your were doing06:53
forcottonjackmacokc, nothing is OK in unix world :)06:53
jackmacokcok it worked now06:53
jackmacokchah06:53
Skwid_i dont have the /lib/modules/2.6.10-2-386/build/ rep06:53
Skwid_can anyone help me ?06:53
jackmacokcso now how do i view it..go to /mnt?06:53
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Plukmckelveyf, changing your apt sources to ubuntu's and then install ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop will work i think06:53
crypticreignhow do i get mp3 support in rhythmbox?06:53
forcottonjackmacokc, exactly06:54
zerokarmaleftbrilliant06:54
zerokarmaleftonly ext3, ext2, vfat, ntfs, and cramfs06:54
_martinzerokarmaleft: There you go then.06:54
mckelveyfPluk: that's it06:54
forcottonzerokarmaleft, what do you need?06:54
zerokarmaleftusbfs06:54
mckelveyfPluk: I thought it might be easy like that, but wasn't sure06:55
zerokarmalefttime to build a custom kernel for jackmacokc :)06:55
_martinzerokarmaleft: Time to build your own kernel :)06:55
Skwid_helpppp :(06:55
gustav_crypticreign: install gstreamer0.8-mad06:55
jackmacokcyay! wait06:55
crypticreigngustav_: thanks06:55
_martinapt-get install kernel-package06:55
Plukmckelveyf, i dont know for sure if itll work :) prolly does if you have allready a 2.6 kernel06:56
parazoidcrypticreign, I would go for another player like XMMS. I?ve been having nothing but problems with rhytmsox06:56
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jackmacokcwish me luck against destroying this box06:56
crypticreignparazoid: ive always used xmms.. but have never touch rythmbox06:56
forcottonzerokarmaleft, do you have usbfs on the initrd?06:56
crypticreignso i wanted to try it06:56
_martinjackmacokc, Good luck!06:56
zerokarmaleftforcotton, it's not on there06:57
zerokarmaleftcould i just build a new initrd?06:57
GammaRaywhere can I see beter descriptions of what security updates fix?06:57
forcottonzerokarmaleft, yes, man mkinitrd06:57
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Skwid_make -C /lib/modules/2.6.10-2-386/build SUBDIRS=/home/skwid/Download/dripkg/agpgart-2.0 modules06:57
Skwid_make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-2-386/build: Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type. Arrt.06:57
Skwid_make: *** [default]  Erreur 206:57
Skwid_Makefile.linux:139: *** Cannot find a kernel config file. Arrt.06:57
Skwid_:(06:57
zerokarmaleftk thx, forcotton06:57
zerokarmaleftand thx _martin HappyFool also06:58
jackmacokcyes, thanks06:58
KING^^^hello all , i need a little help , how can i install a game that i have just downloaded in iso format ?06:58
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threadKING^^^: burn it to a cd first would be easiest06:59
KING^^^i have burned it06:59
KING^^^and now what ?06:59
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forcottonzerokarmaleft, I don't have a usbfs module either, but I have usbfs on /proc/bus/usb . So I guess we headed the wrong way06:59
threadKING^^^: install it? it depends..06:59
mckelveyfPluk: Hey thanks07:00
KING^^^on what ?07:00
crypticreignparazoid: ugh.. i cant do anything in rhythmbox without it freezing07:00
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shantanuHi all07:00
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Scooterhello, I want to make sure my Ubuntu is secure, in the forum I read ". In general, a standard system upgrade is sufficient to effect the necessary changes." is this achieved by $sudo apt-get dist-upgrade? TIA07:00
parazoidcrypticreign, Like i said :). Tell me if you get the Radiostation to function normally07:00
shantanuI have 1.88 Gb disk and ubuntu didn't install gnome07:00
KING^^^thread , can you tell me how can i install this game ?07:00
shantanuHow much disk space do I need to free?07:00
threadKING^^^: I don't even know what game it is..07:01
gustav_Scooter: yes07:01
HappyFoolKING^^^: what game is it? is it a linux game?07:01
KING^^^yes a linux game07:01
KING^^^iso format07:01
Scooterthanks gustav_07:01
shantanualso how do I delete packages with aptitude?07:01
crypticreignparazoid: yeah.. i clicked a station and pressed play.. it froze.. tried to play an mp3 and it froze07:01
HappyFoolif you've burnt it to CD, it shouldn't matter what the format is07:01
kentScooter, but first you have to update the list of packages with "sudo apt-get update", then upgrade..07:02
KING^^^yes i burned it07:02
HappyFoolput the cd in your drive -- it should automount07:02
threadKING^^^: findthe m and rtf it07:02
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ScooterOk, i am going to disable all NON- warty apt repositories too...07:02
HappyFoola CD icon should appear on your desktop. double click it and examine the CD contents for instructions07:02
shantanuany ideas?07:02
KING^^^find what ?07:02
threadKING^^^: that means seek out and read the documentation07:02
shantanuit is a pain in neck07:02
KING^^^HappyFool: i am in the cd drive07:03
HappyFoolKING^^^: great07:03
HappyFoolKING^^^: do you see a README file, or anything similar?07:03
KING^^^yes07:03
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parazoidcrypticreign, I got told that it would be fixed soon about 4 month ago...nothing happened yet. So the first thing i do everytime i install Ubuntu, is to remove the damn thing :)07:03
HappyFoolKING^^^: ok, double click on that07:04
shantanuhelllloooo07:04
KING^^^Mount the Postal Plus CD and change the current directory to where07:04
KING^^^it is mounted.  Type 'sh setup.sh' to run the install script.07:04
HappyFoolit will hopefully have instructions. follow them07:04
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KING^^^i have to mount my cdrom in mnt ?07:04
HappyFooli think the cdrom appears at /media/cdrom07:05
HappyFoolthe mountpoint, that is07:05
KING^^^root@ubuntu:/cdrom #07:05
KING^^^good ?07:05
HappyFoolerr07:06
HappyFoolprobably. i would try it as non-root first, but whatever07:06
KING^^^ok07:06
KING^^^i get it07:06
Skwid_can anybody help me ? :s07:06
HappyFooltry 'sh install.sh' and see what happens07:06
Skwid_http://lostocean.net/temp/dri.log07:07
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Alessiowhat do you think about role-project in buntu?07:07
Skwid_i'm missing a rep in my kernel stuff :(07:07
KING^^^HappyFool: where should i have to install the game ?07:07
KING^^^in /mnt/d/games/ is good ?07:07
Alessiofor install ubuntu on old pc?07:07
HappyFoolKING^^^: i'm not sure. i would put it in /home/<myusername>/games, but you could try /opt07:07
shantanuPlease help I want to delete some stuff from my system to free disk space07:08
gustav_KING^^^: the standard directory is /usr/local/games07:08
forcottona good place: /usr/local/games07:08
KING^^^HappyFool: what is Link Path ?07:08
HappyFoolnot a clue07:08
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forcottonKING^^^, may be that means symbolic link?07:09
KING^^^yes , but if i install the game in /usr/local/games i will run out of disck space07:09
forcottonthats something you can create with ln -s afile bfile07:09
shantanuhello any help please07:11
forcottonshantanu, check out ~/.xsession-errors , it can go really big sometimes07:12
KING^^^what is Loki_Update ?07:12
shantanuforcotton is it in ~root?07:12
shantanuI need some diskspace to install Gnome07:12
parazoidThis to about 5% of the users in here: http://blog.monkeymethods.org/2005/01/bill-gates-strikes-pose-for-teen-beat.html - enjoy :)07:12
forcottonshantanu, that should be in your regular user's home directory07:13
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shantanuforcotton i need to uninstall postfix and many docs and gimp. how do I do that?07:13
kentshantanu, start synaptic from the menu. It can install/uninstall things.07:14
forcottonyou can do a 'apt-get remove postfix gimp-doc' ...07:14
KING^^^forcotton: i have to install the game in my partition where i have install my ubuntu or any partition ?07:14
shantanukent I have no X07:14
forcottonI guess shantanu don't have gnome yet :)07:14
shantanuI need icewm also07:14
shantanufor can I remove gimp completely07:15
forcottonshantanu, and deborphan is a good tool for you07:15
crypticreignwoah, fonts in xmms properties is huuge07:15
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shantanuforcotton how does aptitude work? I just cannot delete any packages with it07:16
forcottonKING^^^, I don't understand your situation07:16
forcottonshantanu, you can press ? in aptitude to see a help07:17
shantanuforcotton i did it many times , I got "-" and "_"07:17
forcottonshantanu, press - on the package you want to delete07:17
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budyonghello, how to create a shortcut from /mnt/windows to desktop ? "not using root account"07:17
shantanuforcotton it just puts "d" there07:17
shantanuforcotton how do I remove it07:18
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forcottonshantanu, g07:18
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s1xlo all07:18
shantanuforcotton I did, said none of the packages are marked for deletein or upgradaiton07:18
s1xi am wondering, is gnome 2.9 already present in hoary?07:18
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shantanualso how do see the windows machines in my neighbourhood07:19
shantanu?07:19
kentbudyong, open /mnt/  in the filebrowser, and rightclick on it and choose "create link"?   then move that link to the desktop.. that might work?07:19
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budyongkent: thanks i'll try it07:20
shantanuany ideas?07:20
forcottonshantanu, no idea on the aptitude thing. I guess you marked some packages '-'?07:20
s1xkent: middle click and drag it to where u want07:20
kentbudyong, it seems lik this way, it wants to create a link in the same directory, and since your not root, that might not work, but try!07:20
s1xkent: that will show the link here07:20
gustav_budyong: you can try ln -s /mnt/windows07:21
budyongkent: it can't work07:21
GammaRays1x: take a look at archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g07:21
shantanuforcotton is apt-get remove good enough?07:21
forcottonshantanu, yes07:21
s1xGammaRay: in the browser?07:21
shantanuforcottonthanks and any ideas of my smb problem07:21
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s1xGammaRay: then how come I've already changed my sources, apt-get update and dist-upgrade and i'm still with 2.907:22
s1xGammaRay: nothing was fetched related to gtk or gnome07:22
forcottonshantanu, I almost never used aptitude. apt-get all the time. nautilus (the file manager of gnome) has good support on smb I think, but never used it07:22
kentbudyong, follow what slx wrote to me before. That seems to work07:23
GammaRays1x: still w/ 2.9?07:23
budyongkent: okay07:23
s1xGammaRay: say what?07:24
gustav_budyong: or if you're in another directory ln -s /mnt/windows ~/Desktop/windows07:24
shantanuoh07:24
budyongokay gustav_07:24
budyongthanks07:24
GammaRays1x: sure you didn't mean 2.8?07:24
budyonggustav_ : it works, thank u07:25
s1xGammaRay: i meant what i said, if it's supposed to contain gnome 2.9 packages why am i with gnome 2.8 and no package related to g* was updated?07:25
forcottongnome-about says 2.9.4 on my hoary box07:26
s1xlol07:26
s1xforget it07:26
GammaRays1x: you said "i'm still with 2.9"07:26
s1xi just ran dist-upgrade and it's showing gtk related stuff there07:26
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s1xi just don't understand why there wasn't yesterday...07:26
s1xand i did update+dist-upgrade more then once...07:27
s1xoh well, all's well when it ends well, and thank you guys anyways :)07:27
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crypticreignugh, my laptop keeps randomly freezing07:28
watercolorHas anyone been able to mount an iPod using hfsplus?07:29
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Rbk2Such sides should disappear from net...!! Terrific... http://olsza-w-no.blog.onet.pl  Sorry I'm must....07:30
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crypticreignmaybe its acpi07:33
crypticreignhmm07:33
felixdzHello I am having trouble getting my Lexmark X83 scanner printer...07:33
felixdzcat /proc/bus/usb shows the usb ports but no device07:34
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shantanubbl07:37
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XhyldazhKHi all07:37
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XhyldazhKhow do I define my own session, different to GNOME or KDE or the ones that are by default? I've tried writing a .Xsession file but its ignored by GDM07:38
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XhyldazhKI've switched to 'default session'in GDM but it ignores my .Xsession file07:38
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s1xbtw is anyone else having a problem when you login it fails and you have to delete the .ICEauthoroty file (which has root ownrshp)?07:43
GammaRays1x: once07:43
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XhyldazhKs1x: once too07:43
s1xi have it all the time :S07:43
s1xespecially when there's a power shortage and the computer reboots07:44
GammaRayI think it happens when you do sudo -s and run an X program "as root"07:44
s1xand when i shutdown my computer doesn't07:44
Scooteris there some way to make the startup screen ask me what window manager I want to set as default? I use XFce most of the time, and switching sessions every login is getting redundant. I am almost to the point of Re-installing warty :/07:44
s1xisn't there a session chooser in gdm?07:45
Scooteryea, but it dont ask me what I want as default anymore07:45
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s1xwierd...07:45
XhyldazhKs1x: I am in a similar problem, I want to define my own session with flwm07:45
s1xthat's easy as pie07:46
ScooterI cant get flwm to even show up in my session menu07:46
ScooterI like XFce more anywaus ;)07:46
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s1xi think you're supposed to create a .desktop file in the /etc/X11/sessions directory07:47
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XhyldazhKs1x: how can I do that?07:47
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Scootersudo gedit ;)07:47
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Scooterok thanks slx :D07:48
XhyldazhKmy /etc/X11 doesnt have a sessions subdir07:48
s1xXhyldazhK: Create a launcher and put the program that you want to start and then place it in /etc/session07:48
s1xi think it's how you're supposed to do it now07:48
s1xcreate it07:48
Scootermkdir?07:48
s1xyup07:48
Scooterthanks :)07:49
s1xsudo mkdir /etc/X11/session07:49
ScooterOh as root ok :)07:49
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s1xs07:49
s1xsessions07:49
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XhyldazhKdone, s1x07:49
GammaRaydamn.. what is the folder, again?07:49
XhyldazhKnow should I create a flwm launcher in gnome and put it there?07:49
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s1xif you read /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf it says there07:50
s1xhere's an example: archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g07:50
s1xsry07:50
ftwighi - trying to install java - added 'deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ warty java' source but what is the package actualy called - have had a look in synaptic but cant work it out ;(07:50
ScooterCOOL! Thanks slx :)07:50
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s1xhere's an example: /usr/share/gdm/BuiltInSessions/default.desktop07:50
XhyldazhKaaaah there it says that if i change from default to custom it will run my .xsession file07:52
s1xand yet another: /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop07:52
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crypticreignusing the hardware volume control keys on my laptop freezes the system07:52
s1xyup07:52
s1xapparently it's a new spec07:53
Scooteranyone got the 64bit drivers for ATI? I read in forum they may be released today sometime :)07:53
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crypticreignok wierd.. volume control says i have two devices.. one i know is mine.. one i have no idea what it is.. but yet the both seem to control volume 50% each07:54
XhyldazhKthanx s1x... i will test it07:55
gangalinowhat's the best way to stop cardmgr in Warty? ps-ef|grep cardmgr / kill ?07:56
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gangalinoI'm doing a system upgrade07:56
aetherakillall cardmgr07:58
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gangalinothx07:59
crypticreignwhat package has a curses interface to configure alsa?07:59
aetheraGammaRay: ltnc mate07:59
aetheraalsamixer07:59
aetheraalsautils I thin07:59
aetherak07:59
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crypticreignaethera: i dont have alsautils,, what package has that?08:00
aetheraalsa-utils - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (utilities)08:01
aetherait will give you the alsa mixer for console08:01
aetherasorry forgot to put a "-"08:01
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aetheraHad a crap day at work08:02
crypticreignaethera: i need somethng to set my sooundcard.. right now it thinks i have two... which i dont! :)08:02
aetheralol08:02
aetherayou got a offboard and a onboard?08:02
crypticreignnot sure.. doesnt say.. i have my essoniq.. and then i have something called SigmaTel08:03
crypticreignwhatever the hell that is08:03
aetherasorry mate I need to do a quotation for a guy08:03
aetherato setup a 50pc network08:03
aetherabbl08:03
leriohi everybody, i need some help bc it seems my system cannot read rewritable discs. i'm using warty with a QSI CDR/RW08:03
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aetheralerio: a laptop?08:04
aetheraI havent tried rw disks in mine08:04
aetherausb is ok08:04
aethera:_08:04
lerioaethera: yes. it is a gericom with athlon xp 140008:04
aetheralerio: my dad has a gericom with 1.7 celeron08:05
aetherahave not tested it with ubuntu08:05
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aetheraI am using a Sony Vio 1.608:05
aetheraviao even08:05
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aetheraI will set it up tomorrow08:05
lerioaethera: what checks may i perform?08:05
aetheraand get back to you if thats ok?08:05
aetheralerio: does the disk work in other pc's?08:06
lerioaethera: well, it's a blank cdrw08:06
aetheraso it wount read08:06
aetheracause there is not filesystem on it08:07
aetheralike a blank cd dont read08:07
aetherabut in Cdr software aka k3b / gtoaster it works08:07
aethera:)08:07
lerioi tried to write something with cdrecord and it says "no media in the drive"08:07
aetherahave you tried as root?08:08
lerioyes08:08
leriosudo cdrecord *08:08
aetheratried xcdroast / gtoaster?08:08
lerioxcdroast - same result, but i was on hoary so maybe i'll give another try with warty08:09
crypticreignhow do i set my soundcard in alsa?08:10
aetheralerio: I think that will be best08:10
aetheracrypticreign: its all done with the kernel08:10
leriowhich package do u suggest me?08:10
aetheralerio: I dont understand08:10
lerioaethera: xcdroast, gtoaster or k3b?08:10
aetherawell I prefer console08:10
aetherabut for easy use08:10
aetheragtoaster or k3b is fine08:11
aetherak3b is much a nero clone08:11
leriook. thanks a lot. i'll let u know08:11
lerio:)08:11
aetheranp lerio08:11
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aetherahope it goes well08:11
raphaHi all08:11
aetheralo rapha08:11
Kirschhey guys, is there a way to turn off the "Tap-click" on a laptop touchpad?08:11
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parazoid7Stupid question: I?ve got an old windows WAV-file that i want to convert to mp3. Which program should i use?08:12
aetheraparazoid7: I think sound juicer can do it08:12
aetheralet me check08:12
raphaI've just installed a DVD drive into my computer and try to watch a movie with totem, but it won't. mplayer and xine do just fine, however, totem says it can't read the dvd and my guess is that it might try to use the CD burner... any idea somebody?08:12
aetheraok it cant08:12
aethera:P08:12
aetherarapha: look at the prefs in totem08:13
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parazoid7rapha, maybe you should try 'vlc'08:13
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pisukerapha, apt-get install totem-xine08:14
raphapisuke: I do have that installed08:14
raphaAnd I'm not interested in any other program; totem it shall be :)08:14
aetheraparazoid: have you looked on freshmeat?08:15
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pisukeseems weird08:15
parazoidaethera, no08:15
pisukeif xine can08:15
pisuketotem should08:15
benkong2hello everyone I have a question about /etc/hosts automatic contents? Aanyone willing to help?08:15
pisukehosts automatic contents?08:16
aetherarapha: look at the optical drive preferences08:16
benkong2what does this mean fe00::0 ip6-localnet?08:16
aetherachange it to the drive you want08:16
Skwid_aethera: are you the one that has a intel chipset ?08:16
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benkong2there about six lines that look like ivp6 stuff08:16
aetheraSkwid_: yeah08:16
raphaaethera: Oh, good idea. That worked :)08:16
raphaSorry for the ignorance of not looking into preferences myself...08:17
pisukebenkong2, thats the local network in ipv6 as ip6-localnet says08:17
aetherarapha: np08:17
Skwid_aethera: i didn't manage to get mine working :(08:17
aetheraSkwid_: I can make anytrhing work :P08:17
Skwid_aethera: come here )08:17
Skwid_:)08:17
benkong2pisuke; ok I want to have a home mail server and apache and I need to add my dnsdyn address. Will this affect that?08:17
aetherasend the notebook here08:17
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aetherabut dont expect to get it back08:17
aethera:P08:17
Skwid_aethera: workstation :] 08:18
Skwid_come and get it ! (nice, france) :] 08:18
aetherabenkong2: no08:18
aetheraI do it aswell here08:18
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aetheraSkwid_: when I tour europe in december :)08:18
benkong2First time ubuntu install and  my first attempt to have a mail and web server08:18
Skwid_aethera: aren't we in january ? :)08:18
aetherayeah end of this year mate08:19
aetheraI have work and stuff08:19
Skwid_oh :)08:19
Skwid_i tried to install the intel drivers08:19
aetheraparazoid: I found something08:19
benkong2aethera; pisuke any thoughts on the best programs to use for an imap mail server or sites that have step by step instructions?08:19
aethera:)08:19
Skwid_i got an error saying I had no build dir :(08:19
aetherabenkong2: I use postfix + courier imap + mysql08:19
aetheraparazoid: dir2ogg - converts mp3, m4a, and wav files into ogg-vorbis format08:20
aethera:>08:20
aetheraSkwid_: the intel drivers are crap08:20
aethera:P08:20
aetherastuff intel08:20
aethera:)08:20
aetheraoh wait I think I installed them08:20
aetherabut it was 3 days ago08:20
aetheracant remember stuff08:21
Skwid_lollll08:21
Skwid_don't care what i install08:21
benkong2aethera; ok where do I set my IP address manually in ubuntu? I want this server to run from a static IP assigned by me it is on a network behind my linksys 4 port router.08:21
Skwid_just want the damn thing to work !08:21
rapha"They were called Test Pilots. And no one knew their names".08:21
aetherabenkong2: so its router -> linux box08:21
TTilusbenkong2: /etc/network/interfaces08:21
aethera:P08:21
rapha"This is Whisky-Kilo-2-8, launching NOW"08:21
mcphailOn my current Ubuntu install I can't use the nautilus CD burner when I insert a CD. I'm sure this worked automagically on a previous install (or maybe it was SuSE). Can anyone help?08:22
TTilusbenkong2: man interfaces08:22
benkong2aethera; yes modem to router to nix box08:22
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parazoidaethera, Someone just recommended a program called 'Lame', but thanks anyway.08:22
benkong2TTilus; thanks08:22
aetheraparazoid: mine is better :)08:22
Skwid_mine is bigger :)08:22
Skwid_(oh, sorry)08:22
parazoidEr der nogen som har prvet Alien Hominid?08:23
Skwid_parazoid: yeah sure, i had that in mind :)08:23
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aetherabenkong2: I have this modem router ( planet my fav ) -> freebsd router / firewall / webserver -> 16 port Cray 100/1000 switch -> 13 client pc's08:23
benkong2TTilus; aethera can I just gedit the /etc/hosts and add 192.168.??? my.domain.name hostname?08:23
aetherathe freebsd box runs dhcp server aswell08:23
parazoidsorry, i postet in the wrong channel, in my stup language.08:23
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aetheraThis so is so long08:24
TTilusparazoid: Uk ghhrub burb krh raghaa pwe do'h!08:24
aetherash33t08:24
aetheraoh shit xmms hung08:24
aetherathats why it was going for 5 minutes08:24
aetherasame beat08:24
aetherasounded quiet cool actually08:24
TTilusbenkong2: yes you can, it depend if it ends up being what you want  :)08:24
Skwid_aethera: yeah, same stuff as techno crap :)08:25
aetheras/quiet/quite08:25
parazoidTTilus, That?s pretty close08:25
benkong2aethera;  what a setup ! I just want this first one to learn how to do email and web server08:25
aetheraoh  I think my gf is pissed off08:25
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Skwid_yeahhhh :)08:25
aetherasilly bitch08:25
aethera:P08:25
aetheraah wait I cant use the baseball bat08:26
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aetherashe is 1000km away08:26
aethera:(08:26
aetheraok no more weed for tonight08:26
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Skwid_aethera: mine is 6000 km away :/08:26
aetheraSkwid_: phone sex rocks dont it08:27
aetherayou put condom over you phone :P08:27
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Skwid_aethera: dude, you should stop smoking08:27
aetheraI rate that too mate08:27
TTilusbenkong2: man resolv.conf08:27
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TTilus:)08:28
aetheraTTilus: resolv.conf is for dns mate08:28
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TTilusaethera: that's what i thought benkong2 would ask next  :)08:28
benkong2TTilus; got a problem in gentoo I did iface=192.168.1.??? to set manual ip is that the correct command in ubuntu?08:28
aetheraTTilus: hehe08:28
aetheraok08:28
benkong2TTilus; thanks for the premptive answer08:29
aetheraok benkong2 man ppp08:29
aethera:)08:29
benkong2I presume that /etc/resolv will need an entry so that I have an MX record for mail08:29
TTilusbenkong2: depends where it is... sincerelly, i dont think thats conna be correct08:29
benkong2aethera; got high speed cable connection08:29
aetheraman pppoe08:30
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aetheraits not that highspeed08:30
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BROKEN_LADDERhow to make linux boot faster no words?08:31
TTilusbenkong2: if you like, you can do network setup with gui tool08:31
benkong2got it reading man interfaces.....working08:32
TTilusbenkong2: in default gnome session it's something like computer -> system preferences -> network setup08:32
aetheraBROKEN_LADDER: dont start so many services on boot08:32
TTilusbenkong2: good, good!08:33
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HwolfHm. When did warty grow so big? :-S08:35
aetherawhen it got older08:35
aethera:)08:35
HwolfDamn. It's 116mb bigger then my warty install and installs 112 packages extra.08:37
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mcphailWhat do I need to do to enable cd burning? I can't get any program to recognise my combo drive in my current install.08:39
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TTilusanybody remember if burning was possible thru atapi interface?08:40
TTilusi just remotely recall having to set up burner to use scsi interface to get burning work08:41
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mcphailHow would I do that?08:41
Scooterhello I am trying to build new XFce and  I get errors in log /tmp/xfce4-4.2.0-installer/bootstrap.sh: line 1: gcc: command not found, I use synaptic and I haave 2 GCC installed... is there special GCC to compile things?08:41
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TTilusmcphail: umm... unloading and reloading modules i think...08:41
HwolfScooter, try apt-get install build-utils08:41
Scooterthanks Hwolf :)08:42
TTilusmcphail: just wait for a moment08:42
mcphailTTilus: ok08:42
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^majikoh yeah. er, what package(s) are the man pages in, or rather the 'man' util? ;-(08:43
ScooterE: Couldn't find package build-utils, hmm, I must need to add some repository to my apt list...08:43
ScooterI did apt-get update first08:44
HwolfScooter, I can't use apt now since I'm upgrading to hoary, but do apt-cache seach build08:45
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Scooterok i see apt-build and arch-buildpackage, should I just install them both for good mesure :)08:46
ScooterThanks Hwolf :)08:46
ScooterAh! i see Build-essential! Thanks :)08:47
ScooterWoot! it will install other packages I need too, Thanks Hwolf :)08:47
HwolfSorry about that Scoot, glad it's fixed. :-)08:47
TTilusmcphail: can't find the docs right now08:48
TTilusmcphail: is your cdrom /dev/hd* or /dev/sd* ?08:48
mcphailTTilus: /dev/hdc08:48
TTilusmcphail: and you have checked this http://www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu/#burnfiles08:48
mcphailTTilus: will do. Tx08:49
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mcphailTTilus: link not much help, I'm afraid. I'll chase ths SCSI emulation thing. Would seem to be the way to go. BTW, could it be my entry is /etc/fstab? Is this where I enable SCSI emulation?08:52
TTilusmcphail: this might be partly obsolete, but maybe it helps http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html08:52
TTilusmcphail: it depends on the modules you load08:52
Scooterwe get alsa by default right? I am in XFce setup :)08:52
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mcphailTTilus: thanks. I'm off to experiment.08:54
TTilusmcphail: it was ide-scsi or something like that for ide/atapi cd-writers08:54
Scooternevermind I am quite sure it must be ALSA, other drivers dont support my system :)08:54
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TTilusmcphail: if i remember correct it conflicts with trad ide cd driver...08:54
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nitinclear08:57
nitinbah08:57
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wastrelso how do i play a dvd on ubuntu?  i've got libdvd and mplayer and totem but when i try to play the dvd totem hangs and has to be killed and mplayer exits immediately08:58
wastrelbad dvd?08:58
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^majikn/m.  I never saw it in synaptic, but here it is.. i just did 'apt-get install man' and got the man util.09:02
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^majiknow what about 'base' man pages? for stuff like ifconfig, etc ?  :o)09:03
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wastreleach package should install its own man files09:03
wastrel/usr/share/man/   should be where they live09:04
wastrelifconfig is in man809:04
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larsrohdinhi09:04
^majikyeah.  I have, for instance, the man page for apache, but not for ifconfig09:05
larsrohdinngon hr?09:05
wastreldo you have /usr/share/man/man8/ifconfig.8.gz ?09:05
larsrohdini have just installed ubuntu... what kind of package program does ubuntu use?09:05
Amaranthlarsrohdin: apt, just like debian09:06
wastrellarsrohdin: it's the debian package system.  you can use synaptic in your computer menu09:06
eazyone[PL] larsrohdin: .dep09:06
^majik(I'm running BeatrIX, based on Ubuntu, and these things were not installed by default)09:06
^majikoh...let me see09:06
wastrelcomputer->system configuration->synaptic09:06
larsrohdinok thanks09:06
rattboibeatrIX? for PPC?09:06
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Amaranthbeatrix is based on ubuntu?09:06
rattboiuses Ubuntu packages09:06
^majikAmaranth: from what I can tell, it is09:07
^majikshrug09:07
benkong2anybody seen this theme? http://www.users.monornet.hu/linux/screens/milk_2_1.jpg how can I make a menu bar such as this one?09:07
^majikrattboi: nah.  just on my P2 400MHz lapop09:07
rattboiokie09:07
rattboiI thought it was PPC only09:07
rattboiI just saw something about it09:07
wastrelbenkong2: you mean on the bottom?09:08
benkong2wasabi; yes09:08
benkong2oopss wastrel09:08
wastrelbenkong2: that is a gdesklet.  you want the gdesklets program09:08
^majikwastrel: yeah.. I've got synaptic.  but don't have any idea what package to get ?  I mean, I've looked for 'man' before, with the 'name' search.. and didn't find anything useful really  -_-09:08
benkong2ok thanks; is that not installed by default with ubuntu?09:08
larsrohdinwhat should I type to read which packages are avalaible?09:09
eazyone[PL] wastrel: do you know how to get shadows under windows and menus ??09:09
^majikrattboi: ah.  weird.  I guess there might be a version of it for PPC, but I don't think I'd heard about it09:09
wastreleazyone[PL] : not really  i think that's an xorg thing09:09
rattboieazyone[PL] , gotta use xcomposite w/ xorg09:09
rattboiand doesn't the wm need to support it as well?09:10
^majikrattboi: AFAIK, it's x86-only: www.watsky.net  :o09:10
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eazyone[PL] rattboi: thnx...09:10
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rattboi^majik, I'll find the link09:10
benkong2could someone tell me where I should install icon themes so that they can be read by the theme manager? I dropped one in the window but it still does not show for use.09:11
larsrohdincan i search with apt? like yum search in red hat/fedora?09:11
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^majikrattboi: heh, I gave you the link since I figured you had some bad source from last time  *shrug*09:11
aetherahahah firefox 1.0 is soooooooooooo unstable09:11
rattboi^majik, I think you might be right09:11
wastrellarsrohdin: there's a search function in synaptic, you can also use apt-cache search from the command line09:12
rattboiI was reading a PPC linux site, and I thought it would be PPC-only there, but apparently the review there doesn't say anything about PPC09:12
rattboiweirdness09:12
^majikoh09:12
wastrelbenkong2: you might need to close and reopen the theme manager after you add themes09:12
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escobarfhi09:12
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larsrohdinhow should i type then?09:13
wastrelapt-cache search foo09:13
snorkeldoes anyone know how to enable 3D on a ATI RADEON IGP 340M09:13
^majikrattboi: yeah.  it was my understanding that it was x86-only -- at least for the time being -- since it was developed on one of those VIA Epia systems09:13
wastrelso how do i play a dvd on ubuntu?  i've got libdvd and mplayer and totem but when i try to play the dvd totem hangs and has to be killed and mplayer exits immediately09:14
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larsrohdinok, i get it... thanks alot!09:15
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wastrelsnorkel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards09:16
wastrelsnorkel: apparently 3d isn't supported yet.09:16
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kurdthello, my english isn't very well, but i hope i can get a answer for my problem,   my nvidia-driver works very good, but i have to install it after every reboot, cause i can't load the module a second time...09:16
snorkelI thought so. Its the same with other dists09:17
benkong2wastrel; tried closing and re-opening a couple of times anything else I might try?09:17
snorkelI have tried updating the kernel and install fglrx-driver. But no result09:17
wastrelbenkong2: not sure... you could try to install it with the install theme button...09:18
snorkelI've only now 1 startup error [fglrx:firegl_init]  *ERROR* Device not found!09:18
snorkelHow do i remove that09:18
kentkurdt, add "nvidia" to /etc/modules  and it will be loaded on every boot.09:18
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kurdti added it to /etc/modules09:19
kurdtbut it don't works09:19
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wastrelsnorkel: remove fglrx from your /etc/modules09:19
snorkelThanks i shall do that09:20
jaco_hi all09:20
jaco_hi ZzeCoOl09:20
kentkurdt, but then it should be loaded on every boot? are you sure about that its not loaded?09:20
jaco_:)09:20
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kakashihey09:20
jaco_my question for tonight is, i want a panel like mac os, the only way is install kde kicker?09:20
kakashianyone here???09:20
kurdthmm no - but the x-server said it09:20
kurdtlog09:20
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snorkelI just remove fglrx. Piece of cake. Thanks wastrel09:21
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kakashii have a small problem09:21
kakashipls help somebody09:21
zAo^lo09:21
zAo^shoot kakashi09:21
NanoTek_please Mr. Ati09:21
kakashithere is no mc(midnight commander) on my ubuntu what shall i do????09:21
eazyone[PL] kakashi: apt-get install mc09:21
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zAo^Can I just mount an iPOD mini and transfer MP3's? Planning to get one. Thanks in advance09:22
snorkelDoes anyone know a newsreader with a supersearch feature like build in newsleecher for Windows09:22
zAo^snorkel, there is none09:22
keyshawn_:/09:22
kakashithanks09:22
keyshawn_the only comperable ones are pan and another09:22
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zAo^klibido that is ;-) ^^09:23
^majikI'm reinstalling the packages: manpages, manpages-dev, manpages-posix, and manpages-posix-dev, now after finally having man-db installed.. I'll see if that'll do it  :o09:23
eazyone[PL] kakashi: or sudo apt-get install mc09:23
snorkelSo i must always do header updates in Pan or so?09:23
keyshawn_yep.09:23
zAo^no1 who can help me to get an iPOD mini? :-)09:23
zAo^yes snorkel09:23
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keyshawn_snorkel: try this - http://www.bnr2.org/09:24
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kakashii would work for sure but there is not such a package on my ubuntu (is it on the ISO i downloaded????)09:25
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snorkelI have tried BNR but with bnr i also have to download the headers09:25
kakashiwhere to download it???09:25
^majikhm.. I just don't seem to have an ifconfig manpage.. but I do have one for 'ps' and 'grep'.  ah well, I more or less know how to use ifconfig (and I could always look it up online).. so I don't necessarily need that exact manpage09:25
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^majikI just thought it wasn't giving me any man pages, but I guess it is.  n/m09:26
gangalinowhere can I get python.h for warty's python2.3?09:26
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eazyone[PL] kakashi: uncomment in sources.list universe repository09:26
kakashi???09:26
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kakashiim a beginner so slow pls09:26
jaco_kakashi:  sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list09:28
wastrelso how do i play a dvd on ubuntu?  i've got libdvd and mplayer and totem but when i try to play the dvd totem hangs and has to be killed and mplayer exits immediately -> what's the problem here?09:28
jaco_and delete # at the begin of line09:28
klaymhow is debian's package system superior to that of, say, Suse's RPM system?09:28
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mjrklaym, not significantly at least09:29
icecrashmoin09:29
hacimI am trying to get my USB cd RW to be recognized so I can write a cd, any idea how I can do that in ubuntu?09:30
icecrashif anyone wants to try the x.org packages on warty, I rebuild them on warty09:30
Neo_654Does anyone know if there is a noobie HOWTO for adding apps to the application menu?  I followed the instructions for installing Nvu but it's not in the app menu.09:30
icecrashno guarantee for functionality09:30
mjrbasically debian's strength has always been the large central archive where all the dependencies work together, not so much technical superiority of the deb format09:30
klaymok. I'm just wondering if I should change from Suse to Ubuntu :P gnome doesn't look as good by default :)09:30
icecrashavailable at http://morpheus.fs.abpaed.tu-darmstadt.de/debian/09:30
klaymactually, Ubuntu's brown default theme is just horrible09:31
hacimhow do I get my USB CDrom recognized?09:31
hacimdmesg shows USB mass storage device found at 809:31
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hacimattached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi209:31
hacimand09:32
hacimsr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 32x/32x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray09:32
hacimbut when I right click on an ISO and choose "Write to disc" it only gives me "file" as an option, no cdrom09:32
[Phaedrus] what app are you using hacim?09:33
hacim[Phaedrus] : nautilus, just right clicking on an ISO09:33
hacim[Phaedrus] : but cdrecord -scanbus doesn't work either09:33
hacimcdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI dr iver.09:33
[Phaedrus] hmm... did you check the forums for any possible solutions?09:34
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hacimi didn't know where to look09:34
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im_kahi09:35
hacimif I do modprobe sg, then cdrecord -scanbus sees the drive09:35
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im_kahow can i restart my running vsftpd? "service vstfpd restart" doesnt work, because it doesnt find the service command09:36
mirakhi09:36
mirakanyone manage to use network in qemu ?09:36
[Phaedrus] hacim: one solution in the forum says "I told the system to mount /dev/sr0 instead of /scd0"09:36
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wastrelim_ka: the service command is a redhatism i think.09:36
hacim[Phaedrus] : yea, but I am not mounting, I am burning09:36
wastrelim_ka: use /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart09:37
[Phaedrus] perhaps somewhere in nautilus there is an option to change the device?09:37
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wastrelso how do i play a dvd on ubuntu?  i've got libdvd and mplayer and totem but when i try to play the dvd totem hangs and has to be killed and mplayer exits immediately -> what's the problem here?09:42
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wood1How do I install Firefox 1.0 in Warty ?09:43
threadwastrel: ubuntuguide.org says to install libdvdcss209:43
threadit says a lot of other really useful things, too09:43
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wastrelthread: yes i have libdvdcss209:44
threaddon't know then..09:44
threadI might try and get totem-xine09:44
threadcuz totem-gstreamer doesn't play a lot of stuff09:44
wastrelk09:45
Plukati just released new drivers ready for x.org09:46
seb128wood1: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu/09:46
|D|about time09:46
Plukyay09:46
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wastreli get errors installing totem-xine09:49
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xav_what matters is how good are these new drivers09:49
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Scooteranyone know the hotkey to paste text from clipboard into X-term is? cntrl-v and control-shift-v have no effect... TIA :)09:51
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wastrelScooter: try shift-insert09:52
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Scooter<wastrel> thankyou i would have never guessed that :)09:53
crypticreigndoes evolution junk filtering work with ubuntu by default.. or do i have to install spamassasin?09:53
wastrelScooter: it works in windows too :] 09:53
Scooterlmao09:53
wastrelScooter: and control-insert copies09:53
wastrelfyi :] 09:53
ScooterAh! Thankyou09:53
ScooterHmmm, get error when copy nad paste from Firefox :/ perhaps i try Dillo insted :)09:56
wastrelsooo. no luck playing dvd yet...09:56
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jatosRecently I read a post on the ubuntu forums that said debian was known for its bad support, I see what that person means09:57
wastreltried xine and it says "error reading dvd"09:57
jatosanyone know how I would install kde?//09:58
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Riddelljatos: enable the universe repository and apt-get install kde-core  (or use synaptic)09:58
fourstiguys someone release FGLRX XORG into the reposotories!! they are out!!!09:59
jatoswhats the dselect info for that?09:59
fourstiguys someone release FGLRX XORG into the reposotories!! they are out!!!10:00
Riddelljatos: I don't know dselect, you need to edit your apt sources to include universe and install the kde-core package10:00
Skwid__foursti: ??10:01
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fourstithe new FGLRX drivers are out from ati that support XORG10:01
fourstithey arnt in the ubuntu reposotories yet10:01
fourstithey were released 10 min ago10:01
foursti!!10:01
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spiralhello !10:02
spiralhmmm...10:02
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spirali patched my /etc/init.d/powernowd in order not to use powernow daemon but the kernel facilities...10:03
spiralthis works great & I'dd like to know if you could use something like that to package this function10:03
spiralhmmm...10:03
spiraland ati released their drivers... how long should it take to integrate them in hoary ?10:04
NanoTek_ATI DRIVERS ARE OUT10:04
spiralNanoTek_: yep !10:04
Wulf_ati drivers produce compile warnings10:04
Wulf_pte = (tmp & 0x000000ff00000000) >> 28;10:05
Wulf_long tmp;10:05
Wulf_u32 pte;10:05
Wulf_ati sucks.10:05
spiralNanoTek_: I hope they will soon be in linux-restricted-modules10:05
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fourstiWulf_, : did u get it working10:06
fourstiWulf_, i cant get it to compile10:06
fourstiWulf_, fuc!10:06
spiralmay I submit my hotplugd file in order for devels to see if they can use smth like this in a package10:06
spiral?10:06
Wulf_foursti: it compiles10:06
jatoswhats the url for the universe reposetory pardon my spelling10:07
Wulf_foursti: just trying to fix the warning :)10:07
spiralhmmm... and about integrating in linux-restricted-modules ?10:07
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Wulf_                pte = ((tmp >> 28) & 0x00000ff0);10:07
Wulf_                pte |=(tmp & 0xfffff000);10:07
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Wulf_I hope this code is the same10:08
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fourstiWulf_, which headers do i need10:08
Wulf_foursti: what's the problem with compiling?10:09
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fourstiWulf_, i get: includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found10:09
fourstiim at console everything failed10:09
foursti(x)10:09
fourstiwhats the package for the headers10:09
fourstii have to apt-get10:09
Wulf_foursti: install kernel headers10:09
IRCMonkeyERROR 21, does anyone know what that is?!?!?!?!?!10:09
Wulf_apt-cache search kernel-headers10:09
Wulf_IRCMonkey: what context???10:10
Wulf_[fglrx]  Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 927 MBytes.10:10
Wulf_ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A]  -> GSI 5 (level, low) -> IRQ 510:10
Wulf_[fglrx]  module loaded - fglrx 8.8.25 [Jan 14 2005]  on minor 010:10
IRCMonkeyGRUB loading, please wait... Error 2110:10
Wulf_IRCMonkey: dunno.. have a look at the grub manual / faq10:10
IRCMonkeybefore anything happens10:10
siretartmjg59: may I disturb you: I'm one of the reporter of that strange load > 2 bug. You wrote the latest hoary image should have this bug fixed, but linux-image-2.6.10-2-9 does not mention it in the changelog nor does the problem seem to be fixed.10:10
IRCMonkeyI tried removing the HD that ubuntu was installed on, but that didnt work10:11
egressiveHey, I have a samba problem - cannot use my old smbpasswd file with samba - I get an error indicating that the smbpasswd module is unknown?10:11
mjg59siretart: Bah.10:11
siretartmjg59: did you mean that version or an upcoming 2.6.10-2 revision 10?10:11
mjg59siretart: I'll get the maintainer to include that in -10, then10:11
mjg59Sorry about that10:11
IRCMonkeyDOES ANYONE KNOW ABOUT ERROR 21?10:12
siretartmjg59: thank you very much for your effords!10:12
Wulf_IRCMonkey: RTFM!10:12
IRCMonkeywhat?10:12
Wulf_IRCMonkey: read the fine manual10:12
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IRCMonkeywhere is it?10:12
fourstiWulf_, im using kernel 2.6.10-2-686 what are the headerts i need i cant install the kernel-headers-686 not working10:12
Wulf_IRCMonkey: /usr/share/doc/grub/? google:grub?10:12
IRCMonkeyk10:13
fabbionesiretart: sorry... i missed the patch on the bug10:13
jatoscould somebody tell me the url for the universe repositary?10:13
fabbionesiretart: i will apply it in the next version10:13
egressivejatos: same place as 'main'10:13
fourstinm got it10:13
siretartfabbione: never mind. I'm glad that "suspending" "fixes" it :)10:13
jatoser?10:14
jatoswhat do you mean... sorry if I  sound dum10:14
fabbionesiretart: ehehe10:14
egressivewell, what did your question mean then?10:14
egressivedeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe in sources.list10:14
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egressiveor just add the word "universe" to the end of your existing "main" line10:15
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Neo_654Anyone feel like helping an Newbie Screwup?10:15
egressiveAnyone know why my samba won't read smbpasswd by default?10:15
pixelfairycan you install from the live cd?10:15
kentNeo_654, whats the problem?10:15
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sobersabrehi guys.10:16
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sobersabreis it true ubuntu can be sent _free_ of charge anywhere ?10:16
Neo_654Kent, I accidentally click remove from panel and now I don't know how to get it back up there and not close out everytime I click the X to get it off the desktop area10:17
egressivesober: yes, that's true :-)10:17
pixelfairysobersabre: you can send it anywhere if you want10:17
fourstiWulf_, when i do make_install dmesg gives me: unknown symbol pci_find_class10:17
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sobersabrei am actually a debian user.. what is ubuntu's diff ?10:18
sobersabrei have read the site a little bit, still would like to ask interactively...10:18
pixelfairynice installer10:18
thenukesobersabre: umh, debian comes with no stuff installed for you10:18
pixelfairynewer stuff10:18
sobersabrethenuke, i run sarge10:18
egressivesober: more up-to-date packages, 6-monthly version update, integrated desktop with less choices by default10:18
spiralhmmm... Does anyone here know how long it should take to include latest ati drivers in linux-restricted-modules in hoary ?10:18
pixelfairyonce its installed and you have what you want, not much differnce10:18
thenukesobersabre: ubuntu is a bit modified debian which has this and that installed for you already10:18
sobersabredoes it use debian apt repositories or self ?10:19
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egressivesober: sarge will stabilise soon, and then not change for 5 years, probably. Ubuntu will update every 6 months, in a stable manner (i.e. not sid)10:19
fourstiWulf_, when i do make_install dmesg gives me: unknown symbol pci_find_class10:19
sobersabreegg10:19
sobersabrehmm10:19
egressiveubuntu uses its own repositories, and don't be tempted to mix in the debian ones, because you might cause breakages10:19
sobersabre:)10:19
sobersabretried to autocomplete egressive10:19
Neo_654Kent did you see what I need help with?10:20
Wulf_foursti: yeah.. please apply the patch10:20
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kentNeo_654, yes..  but what did you remove?  the menu?10:20
Wulf_foursti: http://wulf.eu.org/ati-fglrx.patch10:20
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fourstity10:21
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NanoTekAti is a big s***10:21
Neo_654Kent, the little yellow guy.  That would sign me on as soon as I logged into gnome.  Now if I create a new launcher it will sign off when I click the X and not stay connected10:21
fourstino  S***:|P10:22
NanoTekI've installed the drivers10:22
fourstihows the preformance?10:22
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Cube-nessgrrr!! what is with the kernel since 2.6.9 series on?  panics at hotsync startup.10:22
[euphori] hi all10:22
NanoTekand I don't know why but Mesa is used for opengl10:22
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NanoTekI can't use Ati drivers for opengl10:22
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jatoskde ain't there10:23
sobersabrebtw ... how is ubuntu acpi/power laptop support ?10:23
[euphori] can help me please, when im try to conect whitch gnome-ppp im have this error: ppp not enable ???10:23
fourstiWulf_, how do i apply that patch i forget?10:23
fourstiWulf_, ie: whats the command10:23
sobersabrei mean kernel, soft suspend, etc.10:23
[euphori] im have my user in dip group10:23
Riddelljatos: what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list file?10:24
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[euphori] im see the forum, google and nothind :(10:24
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miketechHi10:24
Wulf_foursti: patch -p0 < /path/to/ati-fglrx.patch10:24
daniels(for reference, I'm working on packaging the new fglrx drivers.)10:24
miketechone question: Do you know what grub error 18 means? I wanted to install ubuntu, but grub isn?t starting, only error18 is displaye10:25
spiraldaniels: hmmm... so they could be integrated in linux-restricted-modules ?10:25
danielsspiyes10:25
jatoswait10:25
jatosI may add I have put Synaptic onto unvierse10:25
spiraldaniels: the spiyes means yes to my question ?10:26
spiraldaniels: how long do you think this will take you ?10:26
danielsspiral: yah10:26
spiraldaniels: I hope you'll manage :-)10:26
[euphori] im come bak later bye all10:26
danielsspiral: not too long.  it was already packaged, but they thoughtfully rebuilt the rpms, so my dsl is just choking on the new packages now.10:26
spiraldaniels: ok... they are quite boring :-)10:27
jatos# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe10:27
jatos# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe10:27
jatos# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe10:27
jatos# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe10:27
jatos# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe10:27
jatos# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe10:27
jatos# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe10:27
jatos# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe10:27
jatos# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe10:28
jatos# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe10:28
jatos# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe10:28
jatos# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe10:28
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jatos# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe10:28
jatos# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe10:28
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fabbionewhops10:28
JoePenguinhaha10:28
spiralfabbione: :-)10:28
fabbioneBX kick msgs are evil10:28
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spiraldaniels: and once it will be packaged... I don't know very well the package release system... But will it soon become apt-get -u dist-upgradable ?10:28
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hacimwhen doing an install ubuntu doesn't see the built-in wireless on my X40, should I bypass network config and just continue installation?10:29
danielsspiral: yeah10:30
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spiraldaniels: nice :-) With any hope I'll soon be able to play tuxracer again :-)10:30
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larsrohdinhow to mount fat-filesystem in ubuntu? ive, run mount -tvfat /dev/hda6 /mnt/share... but when i try to open the folders they disappear... whats wrong?10:30
eddywhats defualt root pass?10:30
thenukeeddy: none10:30
spiraleddy: use sudo10:31
thenukeeddy: use sudo if you need root access10:31
robertjmozilla calendar takes a very, very, very long time to build10:31
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EinzelgangerI have a printer on a network to which I can print just fine with "lp -h server-ip file". If I want to add a network (ipp) printer with "gnome-cups-add", it demands I select the printer driver (that doesn't seem right). Even if I select the printer, it still refuses to work (in gnome that is, command line works fine)10:31
Scooteris xfterm4 the name of gnome Terminal program? I seem to get xterm to open insted when i do xfterm4 on commandline.10:31
eddyhow do i do that?10:31
thenukeeddy: for example, sudo fdisk10:31
Plukyay finallu x.org! :D10:31
eddyohh10:31
eddyi just want to be able to install some thing using apt.10:31
thenukeeddy: and if you need to be root for a bit more than for a just few commands, sudo -s gives you root shell10:31
spiralScooter: gnome-terminal10:31
eddyok10:31
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ScooterThanks spiral10:32
Pluktoo bad no speed improvement10:32
eddythanks nuke.10:32
thenukeeddy: happy to help you10:32
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spiralthenuke: does this system improve security ?10:32
larsrohdinanyone?10:32
thenukespiral: sure10:32
ScooterWOOT it works! Thanks again  Thanks spiral!10:33
spiralthenuke: I can't see how... If the root's password is secure...10:33
spiralScooter: :-)10:33
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thenukespiral: and I am not that pro so I could tell you why is improves security :P10:33
larsrohdincan anyone help me?10:33
thenukespiral: I just believe those who know =)10:33
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spiralthenuke: ok... I hoped you'd know.. because I'm still hesitating :-)10:34
sabdflshiny new wifi activity monitor!10:34
thenuke:-) and of course you are able to give password for root if you just want to10:34
sabdflor did i just forget to log out for a week or three ;-)10:34
jatossorry about that flood of messages something went wrong with my client10:34
thenukebut there really might not be use for that10:35
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fabbionejatos: just be a bit more careful next time10:35
jatosok10:35
xevillarsrohdin what is your question?10:35
thenukebecause the sudo -s might be easier than logging in with root10:35
fabbionethanks10:35
jatoswait...10:35
jatosbrb10:36
larsrohdinhow to mount fat-filesystem in ubuntu? ive, run mount -tvfat /dev/hda6 /mnt/share... but when i try to open the folders they disappear... whats wrong?10:36
HwolfDamn. I just upgraded to hoary, and I got some errors10:36
thenukespiral: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo10:36
thenukespiral: ...Benefits of this model10:36
benkong2hey what is wrong when I run, from a terminal gdesklets gdeskcal I get could not add to display because the file does not exist. I downloaded it and there is a .gdeskcal in my home directory10:36
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benkong2wastrel;  hey what is wrong when I run, from a terminal gdesklets gdeskcal I get could not add to display because the file does not exist. I downloaded it and there is a .gdeskcal in my home directory10:37
wastrelbenkong2: i dunno i don't use gdesklets10:37
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Kanohi10:37
JoePenguinKano: Hi!10:37
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benkong2wastrel; k thanks10:37
Kanohow is the X.org executeble called?10:37
hacimon install with thinkpad x40 ubuntu doesn't detect wireless adaptor10:37
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Kanothe similar thing to XFree8610:38
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Kanoi want to detect it...10:38
jatos2for some reason my gui repeats a key press every so often10:38
larsrohdinhey where did xevil gp?10:39
larsrohdingo10:39
JoePenguinKano: i can find out in about 2 minutes10:39
wastreli'm trying to get dvd playing working.  i've installed libdvdcss2 but mplayer quits immediately, and totem-xine gives me an error.10:40
wastrelanyone know how to troubleshoot this?10:40
jatos2also for person who wanted to see the message that my irc client decided to send 10+ times is my sources.list10:40
KanoJoePenguin: show me: ls -l $(which X)10:40
spiralthenuke: thanks10:40
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thenukeno problem at all10:40
JoePenguinwastrel: mplayer quits without any userful error message?10:40
JoePenguinKano: /usr/bin/X11/X10:41
wastrelJoePenguin: it says Exiting... (End of file)10:41
JoePenguinwastrel: how did you invoke it?10:41
wastrelJoePenguin: mplayer /dev/dvd10:41
JoePenguinwastrel: try mplayer dvd://110:41
KanoJoePenguin: is there something else in that dir?10:41
Kanolike Xorg10:41
Kanoor so10:41
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JoePenguinKano: Xorg10:42
Kanowhich Xorg10:42
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wastrelJoePenguin: Unable to open URL: dvd://110:42
Kanodoes return it - doesnt it?10:42
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JoePenguinwastrel: same dir10:42
danielsKano: /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg10:42
wastrelJoePenguin: ?  i'm in the same dir when issuing both commands is that what you mean?10:43
Kanothank you10:43
Kanothats all what i need for the script for new ati drivers10:43
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JoePenguinKano: /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg and /usr/bin/X11/Xorg are hard-linked10:43
jatos2oh while I am here is possible to ubuntu to login into an account on a computer on my network?10:44
JoePenguinjatos2: You can run sshd on a remote host and then use the ssh client on the local host10:44
JoePenguinjatos2: ssh is Secure Shell10:44
jatos2I know10:44
JoePenguinok, does that answer your question?10:44
jatos2I don't want to use ssh I actually want the profile to be loaded on the local machine - or would involve some editing of the linux source?10:45
wastrelterminal server client?  vnc?  x forwarding?10:45
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jatos2ok, let me ask another question, what file handles the logins?10:46
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jatos2anyone know?10:47
spiraljatos2: usernames ? /etc/passwd10:47
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jatos2aha thanks...10:47
jatos2be back some other time I going to do some fiddling in my shell10:47
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wastreldon't edit /etc/passwd directly10:48
wastreluse vipw10:48
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wfxbackports are stable?10:49
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larsrohdin/etc/fstab is read-only, how to change?10:49
larsrohdini need to edit fstab... help10:49
wastrellarsrohdin: are you using sudo ?  it should be writable for superuser10:50
wfxlarsrohdin: sudo gedit /etc/fstab10:50
larsrohdinok, ill try..10:50
wastrelJoePenguin: any other ideas on getting dvd playing working?10:50
larsrohdinworks! tanks again10:50
wfxwastrel: dvd probs?10:51
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theDragonhi10:51
wastrelwfx: yes - mplayer exits immediately, totem-gstreamer hangs and has to be killed, totem-xine throws an error.10:51
HrdwrBoBwhat errro10:52
HrdwrBoBerror10:52
wastrelsec10:52
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wastrelHrdwrBoB: Totem could not play 'file:///dev/dvd'.  There is no plugin to handle this movie.10:53
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wfxwastrel: do you also test plain xine (totem is for me a big bug)10:53
theDragonquestion: when I go into synaptic and click on 'mark all upgrades' then apply, it tells me that lots of my software is going to be removed, including my main desktop manager. why is htis?10:53
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HrdwrBoBwastrel: is that with totem-xine ?10:53
HrdwrBoBoh10:53
willis_HrdwrBoB, just install xine-ui10:53
HrdwrBoBwastrel: yes that's wrong10:53
wastrelHrdwrBoB: yes that's with totem-xine10:53
HrdwrBoBwastrel: totem dvd://10:53
HrdwrBoByou can't play the device10:53
wastrelwfx: yes - xine says "there's no demuxer plugin available to handle /dev/dvd"10:54
wastrelHrdwrBoB: k...10:54
wastrelHrdwrBoB: totem dvd://  starts and runs the fbi warning then pops an error10:55
wfxdo youe have css10:55
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wastrelHrdwrBoB: "an error occurred the source seems encrypted"10:55
wastrelwfx: i installed libdvdcss210:55
theDragonquestion: when I go into synaptic and click on 'mark all upgrades' then apply, it tells me that lots of my software is going to be removed, including my main desktop manager. why is htis?10:55
HrdwrBoBtheDragon: this is because you're using hoary10:55
HrdwrBoBand/or unofficial sources10:55
theDragonoooh, I see10:55
theDragonmakes sense10:55
HrdwrBoBsome of the packages have changed in such a way that they no longer 'work'10:56
HrdwrBoBso it's intelligently removing them10:56
theDragonI see... so how can I get about this?10:56
wastrelwfx: i have libdvdcss2 1.2.8-woody0.010:56
HrdwrBoBwith a bit of poking about10:56
wastrelaccording to apt-cache policy10:56
wastrelis that right?10:56
HrdwrBoByou can work out what is causing it10:56
theDragonhm ok...10:56
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Wulf_foursti: graphic drivers work! I'm able to play WoW in cedega :)10:57
HrdwrBoBtheDragon: put the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade on pastebin.com if you want me to have a look10:57
HrdwrBoBWulf_: excellent, I run it at home, works very well :)10:57
HrdwrBoBwastrel: that seems wrong10:57
HrdwrBoBwastrel: where did you get that from10:57
HrdwrBoBoh actually, no, that's fine10:58
wastrelHrdwrBoB: apt... i have universe and multiverse but also marillat10:58
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CameronKennethKnhow's everyone today?10:59
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theDragonactually, its not tooo big a deal, since I am using Linux as a secondary OS, but thx anyways10:59
theDragonI am gonna see if I can get it myself10:59
HrdwrBoBwastrel: do you have libdvdread310:59
wfxwastrel: the error means that file format was not recognized (im stilll searching)...10:59
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HrdwrBoBtheDragon: that's a good way to learn :) if you want a hand, let me know11:00
theDragonsure11:00
jackmacokchi all11:00
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wastrelHrdwrBoB: libdvdread3 0.9.4-411:00
theDragonoh yes, also... if I want to install a new kernel (from i386 to i686), will that mess anything up?11:00
HrdwrBoBwastrel: try mplayer11:00
jackmacokci downloaded a set of icons, but i dont know how to load them. can anyone help me out?11:00
caldwellhas anyone here had issues with the evolution calendar connecting via the exchange connector?11:00
HrdwrBoBjust anyway11:00
HrdwrBoBmplayer dvd://11:00
larsrohdini cant get fstab to mount my fat filesystems on boot... whats wrong?11:00
larsrohdin/dev/hda6/mnt/sharevfatnoatime,umask=02220 011:00
wastrelHrdwrBoB: Unable to open URL: dvd://11:01
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HrdwrBoBwastrel: do you have a DVD drive, and what's the device name11:01
wastrelHrdwrBoB: well it's supposed to be cdrw/dvd :]   haven't tried it in windows yet.11:02
HrdwrBoBmplayer -dvd-device /dev/hdc dvd://11:02
wastrelHrdwrBoB: cdrom0 i believe11:02
HrdwrBoBahh11:02
HrdwrBoByeah that's the problem11:02
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HrdwrBoBit's not detected as a dvd device11:02
larsrohdindoes anyone know whats wrong with this?11:02
larsrohdin: cdrom0 i believe11:02
larsrohdin<HrdwrBoB> ahh11:02
HrdwrBoBand as such, doesn't have a /dev/dvd symlink11:02
larsrohdinwhat?11:02
HrdwrBoBlarsrohdin: with what11:02
larsrohdin/dev/hda6 /mnt/share vfat noatime,umask=0222 0 011:02
wastrelHrdwrBoB: /dev/dvd is pointing to hdc11:02
larsrohdinin fstab11:03
wfx-dvd-device /media/cdrom011:03
HrdwrBoBlarsrohdin: does it not mount11:03
larsrohdinnope11:03
HrdwrBoBwfx: that's not right11:03
HrdwrBoBwfx: that's the mount point11:03
HrdwrBoBlarsrohdin: what does mount say11:03
wastrelUnknown option on the command line: dvd-device11:04
larsrohdinwhat?11:04
HrdwrBoBlarsrohdin: sudo mount /mnt/share11:04
HrdwrBoBwhat does it say11:04
larsrohdinit works if i type it in a terminal11:04
HrdwrBoBwastrel: apt-get update; apt-get install mplayer11:04
spiraldaniels: does it work ?11:04
wfxsorry so: mplayer -dvd-device /WHERE/THE/DEVICE/IS (take a look on fstab)11:04
HrdwrBoBwfx: yes11:04
wfx;)11:05
HrdwrBoBlarsrohdin: but it doesn't automount?11:05
larsrohdinno11:05
ograspiral: if it doesnt, he will make it work, be sure :)11:05
spiralogra: I hope so :-)11:05
wfxogra hi ;)11:05
ograspiral: if he cant make a X thing work, nobody can :)11:05
wastrelHrdwrBoB: mplayer is a virtual package, there's a list of several to choose from.  i've got mplayer-custom installed currently11:06
ograwfx: hi :)11:06
spiralogra: ouah... This sounds nice :-)11:06
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ograspiral: he is one of the guys that made xorg happen.....11:07
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jackmacokci'm back -- sorry..system froze shortly after i asked my last question11:07
wfxis xorg avail?11:07
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spiralogra: ouah... nice :-)11:07
Hwolfdamn, i'm fucked11:07
jackmacokcnow i cant remember what i asked? can anyone paste it for me?11:07
ograspiral: so he will surely make it, just give him the necessary time needed ...11:08
larsrohdinok, nevermind that... good programs to play mp3-files in?11:08
spiralogra: all right, I'll be patient... :-)11:08
HwolfDoes anyone here know the pain of dpgk crashing in the middle of a dist-upgrade?11:08
wastrellarsrohdin: i use xmms11:08
wfxjackmacokc: it was a icon question11:08
jackmacokcwfx: oh right, thanks..i went brain dead11:09
danielsspiral: yeah, it's been working during the week, but they just released a new build last night11:10
lupus_Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"11:10
wfxhwy does nautilus so often crash?11:10
danielsspiral: so my connection's been choking on it11:10
lupus_  Load    "glx" is not commented out11:10
lupus_using nvidia drivers11:10
jackmacokcso, could anyone tell me how i can change icon sets?11:10
lupus_any ideas?11:10
danielslupus_: check your Xorg.0.log11:10
spiraldaniels: all right... With all ogra told about you, I'm sure you'll handle it :-)11:10
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wastreljackmacokc: computer->desktop preferences->themes11:11
GammaRaywfx: if you actually want to find out, I'd suggest running it in a debugger (after recompiling it w/ debugging support)11:11
willis_jackmacokc, the themes dialog is broken for icons instead untar them into ~/.icons11:11
wastrelah i wasn't aware11:11
spiralhmmm... does anyone here know how to solve utf8 problems in kde on hoary ?11:11
GammaRaywfx: it's been pretty stable here11:11
macewangdesklets are fun fun11:11
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jackmacokcwillis_: thanks, i'm not sure how to do that..could you give me the command line?11:12
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willis_jackmacokc, and then you can select it11:12
wfxGammaRay: it would be nice if there a debug enabled nautilus avail (for me it is not stable)11:12
larsrohdinwastrel: can i install that with apt?11:12
willis_jackmacokc, tar -zxvf11:12
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jackmacokcwillis_, thanks!11:12
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GammaRaywfx: if I can remember enough I might be able to make one...11:13
ironwolfok, kind of a user question, but is there a template/form in openoffice for 10 up business cards ala fedex-kinkos setup? 2x3.5 ?  I don't see it listed i the business card area11:13
jackmacokcwillis_, it has a gz extension....do i just unzip it first?11:13
Riddellspiral: which amarok patch has been included in hoary?11:14
Riddellspiral: what are the utf8 problems?11:14
lupus_(II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"11:14
lupus_        compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.662911:14
lupus_seems to be loaded11:14
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lupus_(II) Loading extension GLX11:14
spiralRiddell: maybe these are your patches, I don't know, but when I dist-upgraded, I got amarok updated from hoary...11:14
jackmacokcwillis_, nm..i figured it out..thx11:14
Riddellspiral: what version?11:15
wastrellarsrohdin: ubuntuguide.org11:15
spiralRiddell: 1.2beta3... as the one you build11:15
willis_jackmacokc, sorry i was away, i'm glad you figured it out, i'm waiting for them to fix the theme manager for icons11:15
spiralRiddell: for the utf8 problem... I'm a french user... And if I set my locale to utf8@euro...11:15
spiraland I type for example "" on a kde app...11:16
spiralI get something like a "A~" for example11:16
Riddellspiral: interesting, amarok beta3 is in there but there's no build log11:16
vpallehow does ubuntu handle .Xresources .Xdefaults.. its ignoring my ~/.Xdefaults11:16
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Riddellspiral: what does running `locale` on konsole say?11:16
spiralRiddell: strange...11:16
HwolfWell, we can safely say the upgrade path to hoary messed me up.11:16
jackmacokcwillis_, well i thought i had it..i got it unzipped with gzip..but i cant seem to untar it. i must be doing something wrong11:17
spiralRiddell: it says the name of the utf8locale...11:17
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wfxGammaRay: can you write down what i need to compile nautilus (it crash each gnome session :/ )11:17
spacey`kiis gnoppix the same as the ubuntu live cd that get shipped?11:17
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spiralfr_FR.UTF-8@euro11:17
lupus_daniels, dri is disabled but I'm using nvidia driver (not nv) and glx is loaded11:17
acidBurnHey guys!11:17
willis_jackmacokc, place the .tgz file in the ~/.icons directory11:17
acidBurnI need some help installing linux on my compy.11:18
willis_jackmacokc, then type tar -zxvf [file] 11:18
spiralRiddell: fr_FR.UTF-8@euro11:18
acidBurnI have a partition software that came w my compy that won't partition my compy w/out first formatting it.11:18
acidBurnI was wondering if it is possible to partition the computer for ubuntu w/out losing information.11:18
wastreldvd no play help pls.11:19
thenukeacidBurn: umm, do are you running windows now?11:19
acidBurnYeah.11:19
Riddellspiral: hmm, dunno, why would a utf8 locale need a euro?11:19
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thenukeookey, you are able to resize your partitions11:19
Hwolfdaniels, how do I see if I'm running x.org?11:19
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acidBurnI hear that the actual installation is pretty simple, once I'm through w partitioning it.11:19
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thenukewith partition magic for example11:19
thenukeit is11:20
larsrohdinwastrel: yes, it says sudo apt-get install xmms, but when i type it, it says that the package doesn't exist anymore...11:20
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spiralRiddell: don't know either... but I've got the same problem with the same locale without the "euro" suffix11:20
acidBurnDoes partition magic fit on a disk, so I can boot the computer w/it?11:20
wastrellarsrohdin: did you read about adding extra repositories to your sources.list?11:20
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jackmacokcwillis_, ok got it to expand finally11:20
jackmacokcnow what?11:20
danielsHwolf: run xdpyinfo, see if it says XFree86 or X.Org11:20
pablovhi all11:20
willis_jackmacokc, now open up the theme manager and it should be under icons11:21
acidBurnMy computer will actually boot from cd, as well, but I'll be installing ubuntu linux from cd.11:21
willis_jackmacokc, the only part of the theme manager that's broken is the installation of icon themes11:21
larsrohdinno=)11:21
lupus_nvidia-glx is already the newest version.11:21
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jackmacokcwillis_, got it! thanks11:21
acidBurnthenuke: DOes partition magic partition the computer w/out causing loss of information.11:21
acidBurn?11:21
willis_acidBurn, the linux system rescue cd has a safe ntfsresize-enabled qtparted tool on it11:21
thenukeacidBurn: yes11:22
willis_acidBurn, it's a small 100 mb iso, and it works like a charm11:22
wastrelacidBurn:11:22
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jackmacokci have another question about grip, anyone a grip guru11:22
wastrelGo here, download and burn a system rescue CD:  www.sysresccd.org11:22
wastrelThen go here and follow the instructions:  http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html#example11:22
yokomo_is there a way to look at kernel panics and or system hangs?11:22
GammaRaywfx: the basic thing goes like this: 1) apt-get source nautilus 2> cd nautilus*/ 3) dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -rfakeroot11:22
acidBurnwillis: Does it not delete information on my computer before partitioning it?11:22
GammaRaywfx: you have to change export CFLAGS=-g somewhere in there11:22
willis_acidBurn, no it resizes the partitions, a defragment before hand wouldn't hurt though11:23
willis_wastrel, nice team work!11:23
GammaRaywfx: that's the tricky part actually. you might have to edit the makefile or the rules file.11:23
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HwolfYou know, it rather sucks to have dpgk crash twice after a dist-upgrade.11:23
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Riddellspiral: can you explain the problem again?  if you type an accented character on the keyboard it ends up in (say kate) as a different character?11:24
pablovi am from free software group of spain and i want too many cds of ubuntu to give anyone at a Install PArty, have someone any idea of how we get it??11:24
lupus_brb11:24
lupus_think I found it11:24
spiralRiddell: yeah, exactly... when I type "", I get something like "A~"11:24
wastrelmmmm.11:24
GammaRaywfx: I'm going to try myself11:24
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yokomo_pablov, cuantos discos?11:24
GammaRaywfx: oh and you also have to prevent the binary from being stripped11:24
Riddellspiral: does gedit do any better?11:25
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spiralRiddell: yeah... & every gnome application...11:25
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pablovjejeje mi ingles es pesimo..11:25
spiralRiddell: so I think that it might only be related to kde... But I don't know what to do11:25
pablovpos muchos, en realidad todo los q puedan pasarnos11:25
chuesladen: hi, can you help me with a change to cpufreq-detect.sh?11:25
wfxGammaRay: must i fix the dependencies11:25
pablovhe rellenado el formulario de la web... hoy, pero no se si por esa via lo tendran en cuenta y tal..11:26
GammaRaywfx: depends on where the bug is11:26
yokomo_pablov, lo mejor es descargar (mi espanol es pesimo)11:26
acidBurnwastrel: Thank you. That seams like it is going to be very helpful.11:26
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yokomo_el imagen11:26
yokomo_y hacer copias11:26
Riddellspiral: I'm afraid I'm out of ideas, if the keyboard is set right (and it must be or gnome would complain) kde applications should be happy with any character11:26
wastrelacidBurn: that's what i used when i repartitioned my laptop a few days ago :] 11:26
acidBurnwastrel: Just one problem. What cd burning software burns ISOs?11:26
pablovya, bueno el tema de las copias es pq es mas facil de convencer a la gente..11:27
wastrelacidBurn: in windows?  i have no idea :] 11:27
wfxGammaRay: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: cdbs libpopt-dev (>= 1.5) ....11:27
spiralRiddell: it's been a few weeks since I didn't try it... Maybe is it fixed... Once I'll have some time, I'll try again...11:27
yokomo_no se si es posible ordernar copias11:27
spiralRiddell: and if it still fails, I'll post a bug description to bugzilla11:27
Riddellspiral: good plan11:28
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spiralRiddell: :-)11:28
sladenchue: yup, what's the crack?11:28
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wastrelisn't "acidburn" from that movie "hackers" ?11:28
lupus_still not working :(11:28
willis_acidBurn, http://www.petri.co.il/how_to_write_iso_files_to_cd.htm11:28
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acidBurnwillis: does the program in the urubuntu cd that does partitioning not cause data loss?11:28
jackmacokcdoes anyone know a good reference for LAME command paramaters?11:28
GammaRaywfx: those deps are required to build11:28
chuesladen: well, i got the details in the bugzilla, #536111:29
acidBurnwastrel: Yeah. I love that movies. It's one of my big time favorites.11:29
willis_acidBurn, ntfsresize used by qtparted only resizes partitions, it shouldn't let you make it smaller then the ammount of data on the partition, so in that case no data loss11:29
wastrelacidBurn: we have ZzeCoOl in here who i keep thinking of as "zero cool"11:29
chuesladen: basically, its a P4 laptop that uses the speedstep-ich module11:29
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acidBurnwastrel: And you didn't have to format your laptop?11:29
vpallehow do i authorize a user to run a second X server?11:29
wfxGammaRay: dpkg-buildpackage does it not do for me11:29
wastrelacidBurn: i used qtparted to shrink it- i had a lot of free space.  didn't have a problem.  then used the empty space to create new linux partitions.11:30
lupus_daniels, (EE) GLX is not supported with the Composite extension could this be the source of the problem?11:30
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mjrvpalle, just open a new login from the system tools menu11:31
danielslupus_: er yeah11:31
lupus_composite disables the glx module?11:31
acidBurnwastrel: qtpartel. Is that on the website link you gave me, or on the ubuntu installation cd? I'm confused.11:31
vpallemjr, i need it in a script.. startx ./quake.x86 -- :211:32
danielslupus_: yeah, unless you do Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" or whatever11:32
willis_acidBurn, qtparted is on the system rescue cd11:32
GammaRaywfx: any errors?11:32
lupus_k11:32
acidBurnwillis: Thank you.11:32
lupus_brb :)11:32
acidBurnwillis: u r a pal.11:32
wastrelqtparted is on the sysresccd site11:32
wfxGammaRay: dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.11:32
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HauntedUnixAnyone got a nice FAQ about how to 'theme' GDM? :-)11:33
GammaRaywfx: you need to apt-get install those earlier deps11:33
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lupus_yes :D11:33
lupus_working11:33
wastrelargh.  any suggestions on getting my DVD drive working?  I have libdvdcss2 installed but xine, totem-xine, mplayer and ogle are all unable to play dvd's11:33
spiralhmmm... goodbye11:34
spiral'm going to sleep :-)11:34
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spiralthanks for your help11:34
willis_wastrel, how about libdvdread3 libdvdplay0?11:35
willis_wastrel, they can't hurt11:35
wastrelwillis_: i have them both11:35
wfxGammaRay: so i need to intall 15MB11:35
acidBurnwastrel and willis: is the system rescue cd the same as the install cd?11:36
willis_wastrel, and i'm assuming you have a sym link to /dev/dvd11:36
dudg'morning folks11:36
willis_acidBurn, no they're two different cds, one is for preparing the system (system rescue) the other is for install ubuntu (ubuntu install cd)11:36
wastrelacidBurn: no you have to download the system rescue cd from http://www.sysresccd.org11:36
acidBurnOh. Ok. :-)11:36
wastrelwillis_: /dev/dvd points to /dev/hdc11:36
willis_wastrel, how about permissions on the link?11:37
wastrellrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            3 2005-01-17 14:41 /dev/dvd -> hdc11:37
vpallehello there, how do i authorize a user to run a second X server? im getting X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. when running startx -- :211:38
Plukwastrel, whats the msg you get when you do: mplayer dvd:// in a terminal11:38
willis_wastrel, hmm how about the gstreamer dvd package?11:38
wastrelwillis_: i don't have that.   installing...11:39
willis_wastrel, it's a shot in the dark, but mays well11:39
fourstihow do i apply a .patch file? whats the command / whats the syntax11:39
willis_wastrel, oh and how about the w32codecs etc.. for actually decoding streams, or can you not even access dvds?11:39
Plukfoursti, patch -p1 < patchfile11:39
Pluk.. -p1 can be be -p0 or higher also11:40
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wastrelwillis_: that's installed11:40
Plukman patch11:40
wastrelPluk: i get Unabled to open URL: dvd://11:40
Pluksure you dvdplayer is /dev/hdc ?11:41
wfxGammaRay: ok i vim the makefile11:41
Plukas in master on the 2nd ide controller11:41
blairDoes anyone know how to show PCI busID's11:41
blair?11:41
willis_lspci?11:41
willis_wastrel, also i just noticed libdvdnav4 but i'm assuming you have that11:42
blairI need it to show in the "00:00:00" format so I can configure xfree8611:42
fourstii get an error when running make_install for fglrx (newer one): what should i do            unknow symbol in module, or unknown parameter11:42
wastrelwillis_: yes i have that11:42
willis_blair, try the hal-device-manager11:42
vpalleguess this is one for the forums :)11:43
willis_vpalle, yeah sorry i have no idea11:44
blairIt doesn't show the id's, or in the correct format anyway11:44
blairI tried stopping the x server, and using "XFree86 -scanpci", but I get an error about a log file11:44
fourstihow do i apply a .patch file? whats the command / whats the syntax11:44
fourstii get an error when running make_install for fglrx (newer one): what should i do            unknow symbol in module, or unknown parameter11:44
wastrelok l8r thanks for the suggestions..  i'm going to boot into 'doze and see if my dvd works11:45
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willis_blair, what's the error with the log file?11:46
hacimi just installed ubuntu... the gnome sounds seem to work (startup sound, bonk noises when clicking things), but when i play a CD or something through rhythmbox nothing is plaied11:46
hacimplayed11:46
acidBurnhey guys... I'm leaving to go to the gym, but thanks for all your help. :-)11:46
willis_acidBurn, good luck getting it working11:47
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blaircan't remember of the top of my head, something about unable to move ----- log file11:48
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blairI am trying to get a Radeon card working on a motherboard with Intergrated graphics11:48
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willis_blair, scanpci seems to be the way to go, unless you can translate the lspci id's into what you need, which you should be able to11:48
HwolfHoary installed about 120 extra packages on my system. Still trying to figure out what, and why.11:49
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blairI'm sure it's possible, I just don't know how11:49
willis_actually the 0x234 id the hal-device-manager puts out i think will work in a Xfree config11:49
rexecdoes anybody know why the bluez bluetooth-package in ubuntu can't find any devices by default but other devices is able to find the ubuntu-box11:49
rexec?11:50
hacimwhen gnome starts I get the sound, but when I try to play a CD no sound plays, it seems like gnome captured the sound11:51
willis_hacim, are you using the gnome cd player or rhythmbox?11:51
Lethorionanyone gotten a bluetooth keyboard working with ubuntu?11:52
blairso which part of the id should I use?11:52
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rexecLethorion: are you using bluez?11:52
vpalleI recommend getting a hardware mixer.. the linux sound servers are not wortwhile..11:52
Lethorionrexec; I havn't started yet... wanted to see if anyone gotten it to work before I start hehe11:53
willis_blair, good question i have no idea11:53
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rexecLethorion: i'm trying to get bluetooth working, but apparently ubuntu doesn't like it11:54
Lethorionrexec; I have gotten ubuntu to find the keyboard but didn't seem like it was exciting enough to pair with...11:55
wfxGammaRay: the readme say i need the hole gnome to build nautilus :-) btw it is compiling now11:55
vpalleif anyones interested /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config controls the authorization.. man Xwrapper.config11:56
hacimI installed ubuntu from the warty.iso is there a newer version (I see things about hoary)?11:56
rexecLethorion: so you can write hciconfig -a without it failing?11:56
subterrificanyone here have quake3 working on amd64 hoary?11:56
hacimwillis_: I've tried both gnome cd player and rhythmbox11:56
hacimwillis_: rhythmbox seems to freeze, the gnome cd player plays but no sound happens11:57
wfxsubterrific: i only know that it run on amd6411:57
subterrifici've got a really strange issue with the latest hoary nvidia stuff11:57
Lethorionrexec; thats a good question.. last time I tried I needed to add hoary repositories and the whole system went down the drain... I thats also why I asked... if there was a warty solution..11:57
subterrificwfx: i know, i've had it working before, but it isn't working for me now11:57
hacimwhat is hoary?11:57
blairOk, I figured it out.  I can use XFree86 :1 -scanpci -verbose  Worked like a charm11:57
subterrificwfx: and the strangest thing is that cs:s and half-life 2 work fine with cedega11:57
rexechacim: the future ubuntu release11:57
Lethorionwartys evil brother...11:57
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hacimrexec: would hoary fix my sound problems and openoffice freezing?11:58
rexecprobably no :)11:58
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rexecprobably no :711:58
rexecwhoops11:58
wfxsubterrific: do you also run doom3 with cedega?11:58
blairwillis_ thanks for your help11:59
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subterrificwfx: nope, i haven't installed doom3 yet. i'd run the native linux client though11:59
subterrificwfx: i haven't touched doom3 since i beat it, no replay value :(11:59
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