[12:00] <Kosh42> ?? Hoary
[12:00] <crimsun> Kosh42: Hoary is the next stable release.
[12:00] <Kosh42> Ahh....
[12:00] <Kosh42> Said I was a noob...
[12:00] <eyequeue> Kosh42: warty==stable, hoary==development
[12:00] <jaco> crimsun,  there is x.org in hoary no?
[12:00] <Kosh42> Sorry about that...
[12:00] <crimsun> jaco: yes.
[12:00] <jaco> ok, it's a great thing
[12:01] <eyequeue> Kosh42: we were all new once
[12:01] <eyequeue> Kosh42: me, quite recently :)
[12:01] <jaco> anyway about warthy, it's the best distro that i've tried until now
[12:01] <jaco> i was a silver mandrake member
[12:01] <jaco> and i switched to ubuntu
[12:02] <jaco> it's more stable, the hardware works fine
[12:02] <crypticreign> kernel freezes on starting ntp process :/
[12:02] <Kosh42> I was pointed to it by a fello user I play games online with...
[12:02] <sladen> crypticreign: doesn't sound good
[12:02] <Kosh42> If I could get graphics driver support, I'd be VERY happy...
[12:02] <Kosh42> No more Windows :o)
[12:02] <crypticreign> sladen: naw.. i just reinstalled.. i couldnt even get ot anything in rescue kernel
[12:03] <crypticreign> er rescue boot
[12:03] <crypticreign> sladen: but.. i had JUST updated to hoary.. was my first boot into that
[12:03] <jaco> Kosh42,  try with the 32 bit version
[12:03] <jaco> it work better than 64 bit
[12:03] <jackmacokc> ok, i have another one for you all regarding boot loaders and serial ata. i have my ubuntu on a pata master drive and winxp on a sata master...my dell wants to always boot to the sata drive..is there a way for me to force grub as the boot loader rather than hitting F12 at boot? for some rason it didn't overwrite the boot record when ubuntu was installed.
[12:03] <sladen> crypticreign: you can start up with   linux init=/bin/sh  mount -o remount,rw /  and disable NTP
[12:03] <eyequeue> oops, bbl
[12:03] <sladen> crypticreign: ah, so you reckon this is likely an issue with the hoary NTP
[12:03] <Kosh42> 32 bit warty?
[12:04] <Kosh42> Or 32 bit driver?
[12:04] <jaco> yes Kosh42
[12:04] <crypticreign> sladen: well... jeesh.. i was stupid and didnt come in here and ask before.. heh, new system installed now.. so ill remember that.. thanks
[12:04] <jaco> no 32 bit warthy
[12:04] <crypticreign> sladen: yes.. after i upgraded to hoary.. it did it both 2.6.8 and 2.6.10 kernels
[12:04] <Kosh42> Seems a shame... Can't get anything to go 64bit on my new 64bit processor...
[12:04] <Kosh42> Many thanks for your help...
[12:04] <jaco> Kosh42, i've a 64 bit processor
[12:05] <jaco> and i use 32 bit software
[12:05] <crimsun> Kosh42: you can, but ATI hasn't released 64-bit drivers yet.
[12:05] <crimsun> Kosh42: so you have to wait til then.
[12:05] <jaco> because the support is not so good yet
[12:05] <Kosh42> ATI's linux = 4% market so get 4% of their resources... :o(
[12:05] <jaco> i think that at the last of 2005 we can use our 64 bit processor
[12:05] <jaco> but now...
[12:06] <calc> Kosh42: and thus they get 4% of the market of linux too ;)
[12:06] <calc> Kosh42: note that 64bit driver will be out next week aiui
[12:06] <jaco> calc ATI Mobile is on 80% of laptop
[12:06] <jaco> sgrunt
[12:06] <Kosh42> XP64 has just gone to RC1... But I'm trying to avoid it...
[12:06] <sladen> crypticreign: can you file a bug on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/  and hopefully it can be tracked down.  Can you post details of the machine you were using and which kernels you said it froze with
[12:07] <crypticreign> sladen: i will
[12:07] <sladen> jaco: if they provided source-based drivers they would have worked from day 1 !
[12:07] <sladen> jaco: it's like expecting x86 binary drivers to work on a Mac
[12:08] <jaco> true, but this is an old topic, the manufactures have a little support for linux
[12:09] <jaco> 180 files of 934 downloaded, i can see my hoary tonight :)
[12:10] <crypticreign> hehe
[12:10] <jaco> the beatiful thing is that all works while i'm upgrading
[12:11] <jackmacokc> nobody have a clue on why my grub isnt working?
[12:12] <DaNewB> Off-topic but what do you guys think of the new AMD Semprons? Good?
[12:12] <sladen> jackmacokc: what's your problem
[12:12] <randabis> try as I might...I just can't get doom3 going
[12:13] <sladen> randabis: what error message does it give?
[12:13] <jackmacokc> sladen: when i installed ubuntu on a pata drive, my system still wants to boot to my sata drive with xp on it
[12:13] <dud> hi there folks
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> jackmacokc: you can change the boot order in your BIOS to fix that
[12:14] <sladen> jackmacokc: have you even seen grub yet?  If not, go into the BIOS and tell it to boot from the other drive
[12:14] <jackmacokc> nope, not in mine..its a dell and only has "Hard Drive" in the boot order..not sata or pata
[12:14] <sladen> jackmacokc: did you do something weird (like add/swap/remove drives) during installation?
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> sata is classed as 'scsi'
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> or 'addition controller'
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> or something like that
[12:15] <jackmacokc> sladen: if i hit F12 for a dell bootmenu, and specifically choose the pata drive, i see grub..otherwise, right into xp
[12:15] <jackmacokc> sladen: no, drive was installed prior to ubuntu installation
[12:15] <sladen> jackmacokc: both drives?
[12:15] <jackmacokc> yes
[12:15] <randabis> sladen it gives no error, the screen just goes black, then I have to CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[12:15] <jackmacokc> well it booted to the sata drive before
[12:16] <jackmacokc> and i added the pata drive
[12:16] <jackmacokc> then ran install
[12:16] <DaNewB> Are AMD Sempron CPUs well supported in Linux?
[12:17] <sladen> randabis: what happens if you do   ./doom3 2>&1 > doom3-logfile.txt
[12:17] <crimsun> DaNewB: they're supported, yes.
[12:17] <sladen> DaNewB: yes
[12:17] <brian_> what repo is the latest kernel image in? 2.6.10?
[12:17] <crimsun> 'main'
[12:18] <brian_> main, security,multiverse?
[12:18] <sladen> DaNewB: so are Alpha, Power, Sparc, ARM, Itanium, HPPA, m68k and even Intel x86
[12:18] <DaNewB> crimsun, sladen, Semprons correspond to what? i386? i686? amdk-7 or what??
[12:19] <lizdeika> i have installed python-scientific but i cant import a thing from it. do i miss smth ?
[12:19] <jackmacokc> no ideas sladen?
[12:19] <brian_> what repo is the latest kernel image in? 2.6.10?
[12:19] <crimsun> brian_: main, I answered above :)
[12:19] <randabis> sladen, same thing, hence why I disappeared for a moment
[12:19] <brian_> oh i did not see
[12:19] <icerogue> Hey what email server would you recomend?
[12:19] <sladen> DaNewB: probably best to use i386 (x86)
[12:19] <icerogue> to run
[12:19] <HrdwrBoB> icerogue: postfix
[12:19] <sladen> DaNewB: I think semperons are amd64's without cache
[12:20] <sladen> icerogue: postfix is the default in Ubuntu
[12:20] <icerogue> is there a webmail front for postfix?
[12:20] <crimsun> according to the summary, semprons use existing athlonXP arch. If so, they're safely used as k7.
[12:20] <jdub> DaNewB: sempron is a k7
[12:21] <sladen> jackmacokc: so  one setting gets you the XP bootloader and another setting gets you the Grub?
[12:21] <randabis> semprons are not A64s...the only one that comes close is the socket 754 sempron (3100+)
[12:21] <lizdeika> no pythonic ppl in the house ? :)
[12:21] <DaNewB> jdub, sempron 2400+ more precisely
[12:21] <sladen> jackmacokc: boot linux, check that your root partition is on 'sda?' (serial ATA showing up as a SCSI device)
[12:22] <jackmacokc> sladen: k..i'm going to reboot and check the grub config..brb
[12:22] <sladen> jackmacokc: tell grub to write install itself on  /dev/hda  (or parallel ATA drive) instead
[12:22] <dud> i don't suppose anyone would know where i could find a cdrdao package for amd64?
[12:22] <jackmacokc> sladen: will try
[12:22] <randabis> sladen, no ideas?
[12:22] <DaNewB> sladen, crimsun, jdub, randabis: thanks! i'm gonna buy a sempron 1.5Ghz for 90$ Yay!
[12:22] <dud> ive been reading about a debian sarge package thats usable....
[12:22] <sladen> randabis: x86 !!!
[12:22] <randabis> ?
[12:23] <randabis> I'm talking about my doom3 problems
[12:23] <sladen> randabis: sorry, I'm getting questions mixed up, what's your
[12:23] <dud> hmm
[12:23] <crimsun> lizdeika: what's up?
[12:23] <lizdeika> i have installed python-scientific but i cant import a thing from it. do i miss smth ?
[12:23] <sladen> randabis: okay, did you get a logfile like I suggested?
[12:23] <dud> hi there crimsun :)
[12:23] <randabis> I'll check...
[12:23] <lizdeika> i get ImportError
[12:23] <crimsun> dud: 'lo
[12:24] <usual> does ubuntu have any plans of including a GUI for burning audio cd's? like coaster or something?
[12:24] <crimsun> lizdeika: it's a metapackage.
[12:24] <sladen> dud: is cdrdao not in the archive---what does  sudo apt-get install cdrdao /
[12:24] <sladen> dud: is cdrdao not in the archive---what does  sudo apt-get install cdrdao   do?
[12:24] <lizdeika> for example import Rational
[12:24] <sladen> usual: I think coaster is probably going to go in
[12:24] <jdub> usual: we're tracking those projects to include them when they're ready
[12:24] <randabis> yes, I got a logfile, but it is blank...nothing is in it
[12:24] <lizdeika> crimsun: what can i do then ? :)
[12:24] <usual> ok, cause atm it sucks
[12:24] <usual> heh
[12:25] <dud> hmm, thats weird... i used alien on an x86_64 rpm for cdrdao
[12:25] <usual> the only gui's I have found for gtk2 use cdrecord looking for scsi emulation
[12:25] <usual> and the cli apps crap out
[12:25] <dud> k3b cant find it, but apt-get says its installed...
[12:26] <randabis> sladen logfile is blank
[12:27] <dud> sladen, removed the alien package... now it says 'E: Package cdrdao has no installation candidate'
[12:27] <jaco> usual: i use k3b
[12:27] <sladen> randabis: Google reckons:  oom III would hang during starting if you redirect the output. Pass +set in_tty 0 on the command line to fix: $ doom3 +set in_tty 0 > output.txt
[12:27] <jaco> u can't install crdao on 64 bit
[12:27] <jaco> but it works on 32
[12:27] <usual> jaco, yea I just hate installing a bunch of qt/kde crap just to burn an audio cd
[12:28] <crypticreign> usual: maen
[12:28] <crypticreign> usual: amen :)
[12:28] <sladen> okay, people, stop thinking 32bit and 64bit.  Think  x86  and  amd64  (it just happens that some AMD chips are able to process both types of instruction sets)
[12:28] <jaco> usual: it's easy and u has only to say to synaptyc to make the work for u
[12:28] <usual> :)
[12:28] <calc> sladen: some?
[12:28] <calc> :)
[12:28] <lizdeika> omg qt apps looks weird :O fonts are so big
[12:28] <usual> sup calc
[12:28] <randabis> thanks I'll give it a shot
[12:29] <sladen> calc: and some recent Intel Xeon chips are able to process both instruction sets too)
[12:29] <calc> sladen: ah i misread it to mean that some amd64 can't process ia32 ;)
[12:30] <calc> usual: hi
[12:30] <jaco> 380/984 go go go go go
[12:30] <randabis> nope, that didn't fix it either
[12:31] <randabis> maybe this is related to hoary
[12:31] <usual> has anyone actually got coaster to compile?
[12:31] <crimsun> lizdeika: wouldn't you want to load something that uses Rational?
[12:31] <calc> sladen: intel is expected to fully embrace em64t on all chips by mid this year
[12:31] <usual> I tried debian mentors site
[12:31] <usual> building src
[12:31] <usual> no luck
[12:31] <crimsun> lizdeika: you wouldn't want to import it directly.
[12:31] <usual> says it can't find some files
[12:31] <calc> perhaps it will cause amd to enable 64bit on the semprons as well
[12:31] <usual> in the coastrer src dir
[12:31] <sladen> usual: it should be in universe/multiverse
[12:31] <crimsun> lizdeika: for instance one of the modules listed on http://dirac.cnrs-orleans.fr/ScientificPython/
[12:31] <usual> sladen, it's not
[12:32] <icerogue> Has anyone tried Squirrel Mail?
[12:32] <dud> hah!
[12:32] <dud> cdrdao can be compiled on amd64
[12:32] <calc> from what i heard from intel se the only reason they haven't released 64bit support on the desktop yet is due to win x64 not being released yet
[12:32] <dud> './configure --without-scglib' works
[12:32] <sladen> usual: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install build-essential && sudo apt-get build-dep coaster && apt-get -b source coaster
[12:33] <usual> E: Unable to find a source package for coaster
[12:33] <jackmacokc> i couldnt figure it out in grub sladen
[12:33] <jackmacokc> sladen: could you tell me what command i need to issue in grub to make it re-write its info
[12:33] <randabis> *sigh* oh well, guess I can live without doom3
[12:34] <sladen> jackmacokc: I think this:   ''Ubuntu installer thinks 'I'm on a SCSI machine, I'll install grub to the first SCSI disk, /dev/sda'
[12:35] <sladen> jackmacokc: you need to tell grub to install to the first IDE disk instead (/dev/hda)
[12:35] <usual> sladen, not avil
[12:35] <jackmacokc> sladen: no, quite the opposite actually. ubuntu is installed on hda, but i needed it to install on sda
[12:36] <jackmacokc> so now i need to take it off hda and install it on sda
[12:36] <lizdeika> crimsun: gee thanks :) i must read more on python "from Scientific.Functions import Rational" works just fine
[12:36] <ZzeCoOl> hello i have a strange problem i have just install ati drivers in hoary using synaptic and when i log into X i dont have right click feature or the gnome menu ...the only thing that works is gdesklets (i waz lucky i have xchat and console to a gdesklet menu) so i can use them to check whats wrong but i need help
[12:36] <crimsun> lizdeika: :)
[12:37] <elmaya> hello
[12:37] <GammaRay> if I just installed the hoary kernel package, which packages do I have to update to get the nvidia driver working again?
[12:37] <zerokarmaleft> jackmacokc, post 'cat /boot/grub/device.map' to pastebin
[12:37] <sladen> usual: do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[12:37] <ZzeCoOl> anyone for me plz?
[12:37] <jdub> GammaRay: install the linux-686 metapackage, or whatever's appropriate for your cpu
[12:38] <jdub> GammaRay: that'll suck in the right l-r-m pacakges and so on too
[12:38] <kent> ZzeCoOl, most likely the ati-driver malfunctioning. I cant use the nvidia-driver on Hoary, it makes X go wild :(
[12:38] <ZzeCoOl> i see
[12:38] <usual> sladen, yes
[12:38] <ZzeCoOl> im killing X and trying again now
[12:38] <sladen> ZzeCoOl: try   pkill -u $USER   and log in again
[12:38] <lizdeika> oh man. default calculator on ubuntu looks so feature rich but i cant find a way to convert hex to decimal format :)
[12:39] <jdub> lizdeika: in scientific mode, click the hex radio button, type in, then click the decimal radio button
[12:39] <randabis> work dammit
[12:40] <jackmacokc> ok i posted it to pastebin
[12:40] <cthulfuego> lizdeika: (in the shell) printf("%X\n", 12)
[12:40] <cthulfuego> lizdeika: printf "%X\n" 12  even
[12:40] <jackmacokc> http://www.pastebin.com/229728
[12:41] <sladen> lizdeika: click hex, type   64*1 enter,  click dec
[12:41] <GammaRay> lizdeika: or in bc... type ibase=16 and start typing nunbers
[12:41] <DaNewB> lizdeika, View Menu -> Scientific Mode
[12:41] <sladen> GammaRay: or bring up a command box, start python  and type   0x64   or hex(100)
[12:42] <neighborlee> anyone else not getting sound when playing say .mov files online ( onthis case im trying to see/hear one of the startrek previews which in past worked fine)
[12:42] <usual> great
[12:43] <lizdeika> sladen: tricky way hehe. i think it should be like: click hex type 123 click dec. galculator and many others work that way
[12:43] <usual> coaster requires bakery 2.4, thats CVS
[12:43] <usual> grrr
[12:43] <jdub> lizdeika: that's precisely how the gnome calculator works
[12:43] <jdub> lizdeika: see above where i explained it
[12:43] <elmaya> is there a place to upload ubuntu backgrounds in the wiki?
[12:43] <GammaRay> sladen: nah.. much too simple. he should use the bit shift operator in C
[12:44] <lizdeika> jdub: not for me than
[12:44] <kent> elmaya, upload them to gnome-look.org aswell. Some people only check that one. (and art.gnome.org)
[12:44] <sladen> GammaRay: or she
[12:44] <elmaya> ok
[12:44] <jaco> 500/934 my hoary is at more of 50%
[12:44] <jaco> gg
[12:44] <jaco> gh
[12:44] <DaNewB> lizdeika, it IS exactly that way
[12:44] <lizdeika> so wtf is with my calculator :/
[12:44] <jaco> x.org is waitinj jaco ghghg
[12:45] <jaco> x.org is waiting for jaco ghghg
[12:45] <DaNewB> lizdeika, View --> Scientific Mode
[12:45] <lizdeika> yes yes
[12:45] <GammaRay> sladen: I perfer "them\they" for my all purpose noun
[12:45] <DaNewB> lizdeika, click hex, type FF, click bin
[12:46] <cthulfuego> meh!
[12:46] <ZzeCoOl> can someone help me plz
[12:46] <DaNewB> lizdeika, simpler than making toasts!
[12:46] <elocal> hello
[12:46] <elocal> Linux ubun32 2.6.10-2-k7 #1 Fri Jan 14 14:14:46 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:46] <lizdeika> DaNewB: i tell you i get the same value
[12:46] <DaNewB> liz what value is that?
[12:47] <keknehv> Hello all
[12:47] <cthulfuego> printf %d 0xff
[12:47] <DaNewB> lizdeika, what's the value?
[12:47] <lizdeika> DaNewB: if being in hex mode i type FF with keyboard i get FunFun
[12:47] <lizdeika> DaNewB: FF
[12:47] <elocal> on Athlon 64 Ubuntu Hoary 32bit running awesome, had to go 32 since Gentoo AMD64 some apps like cedega did not worked...
[12:47] <DaNewB> liz click BIN now!
[12:47] <keknehv> My apt-get is experiencing problems: Preparing to replace perl-base 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.1 (using .../perl-base_5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2_i386.deb) ...
[12:47] <keknehv> Unpacking replacement perl-base ...
[12:47] <keknehv> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-base_5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[12:47] <cthulfuego> elocal: That's coz cedega uses 32bit windows shit
[12:47] <keknehv>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/perl/5.8', which is also in package liblockfile-simple-perl
[12:47] <keknehv> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:47] <lizdeika> FF for bin, for oct, for dec
[12:48] <keknehv>  /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-base_5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2_i386.deb
[12:48] <carthik> what's the easiest way to get java working in FF ?
[12:48] <keknehv> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:48] <keknehv> Is there any way to fix this problem?
[12:48] <wastrel> ok howcome this.
[12:48] <keknehv> Should I remove liblockfile-simple-perl?
[12:48] <elocal> cthulfuego, yea all my games!!!!
[12:48] <cavediver> What's this all about ? powernow-k8 transition failed, vid 0x3, curr 0x4 ?
[12:49] <elocal> cthulfuego, it ran with emul-libs, but all of the sudden stopped working
[12:49] <cavediver> Get this all over the syslog
[12:49] <wastrel> i've got my $PAGER set to /usr/bin/less, i've got less set as pager in /etc/alternatives, but when i go to tab complete i get more
[12:49] <wastrel> not less
[12:49] <elocal> I was running all latest(~amd64[unstable] ) apps
[12:49] <wastrel> how i fix pls?
[12:49] <elocal> I did not liked the idea of the chroot
[12:49] <elocal> :(
[12:50] <elocal> nonetheless Ubuntu Hoary runs awesomely
[12:50] <lizdeika> DaNewB: in hex mode try typing FF with keyboard. What do you get ?
[12:50] <randabis> try to run doom3
[12:50] <elocal> only some audio skipping on heavy load, this is probably due to the kernel
[12:50] <randabis> :(
[12:50] <DaNewB> lizdeika, 11111111
[12:50] <keknehv> Sigh... What should I do?
[12:50] <crimsun> keknehv: is this under warty?
[12:50] <keknehv> Yes
[12:51] <kent> should not "killall nautilus" restart nautilus and re-read what icons i want to use?  the theme-manager dont want to change icons right now :(
[12:51] <elocal> In gentoo I ran ck-sources which are very focused on interactivity and responsiveness
[12:51] <kent> using Hoary.
[12:51] <keknehv> I can't upgrade anything, so don't tell me to upgrade to hoary.
[12:51] <crimsun> keknehv: yes, for now I would remove liblockfile-simple-perl
[12:51] <ZzeCoOl> hay i update to hoary and xorg and i lost all my gnome menu the only thing that starting up is gdesklets
[12:51] <DaNewB> lizdeika, version 4.4.20
[12:51] <ZzeCoOl> plz help
[12:51] <keknehv> I tried...
[12:51] <keknehv>  sudo apt-get remove liblockfile-simple-perl
[12:51] <keknehv> Reading Package Lists... Done
[12:51] <keknehv> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[12:51] <keknehv> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[12:51] <keknehv> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:52] <keknehv>   debmirror: Depends: liblockfile-simple-perl but it is not going to be installed
[12:52] <lizdeika> DaNewB: 5.5.25
[12:52] <keknehv>   libperl5.8: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2) but 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.1 is to be installed
[12:52] <keknehv>   perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2) but 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.1 is to be installed
[12:52] <keknehv> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[12:52] <kent> ZzeCoOl, but have you tried using the normal ati-driver to see if thats the problem?
[12:52] <keknehv> The whole thing is screwed up
[12:52] <randabis> flllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooodddddddddd
[12:52] <DaNewB> lizdeika, wow huge differnece!
[12:52] <ZzeCoOl> kent i uninstall the fglrx driver but it is the same
[12:52] <lizdeika> DaNewB: hoary here
[12:52] <crimsun> keknehv: what happens when you use `sudo apt-get -f install' ? (don't paste here)
[12:53] <ZzeCoOl> i dont know what to do in etc/X11/ there are both xorg.confg and xfree config files strange
[12:53] <DaNewB> lizdeika, Warty here, but hey, what could they possibly change?
[12:53] <crimsun> ZzeCoOl: for the most part they're interchangeable
[12:53] <kent> ZzeCoOl, then, i guess its becaus you are using Hoary, (if i remember correctly. It can be buggy time to time).  I have no problems right now, besides the theme-manager..
[12:53] <lizdeika> DaNewB: looks like bug
[12:53] <ZzeCoOl> crimsun ?what?
[12:54] <DaNewB> lizdeika, if they added lots of features, could be a new bug ya
[12:54] <erik> hey, I'm trying to suspend my laptop - it seems to work but comes right back within seconds of suspending.  Anyone know if there's a script I can tweak or something?
[12:54] <randabis> my theme manager was broken, but it's fixed now
[12:54] <keknehv> crimsun: exactly the same thing... It says that it can't update perl because liblock is dependent...
[12:54] <ZzeCoOl> damn
[12:54] <DaNewB> ZzeCoOl, looks like a .desktop file missing or something??
[12:54] <ZzeCoOl> maybe i have to reinstall gnome
[12:55] <ZzeCoOl> DaNewB yes all the desktop files and the gnome menus are missing
[12:55] <ZzeCoOl> tha upper and the down panel are empty
[12:55] <lizdeika> haha
[12:55] <DaNewB> ZzeCoOl, the Gnome menus are missing cause there is no config file I suppose
[12:55] <kent> randabis, my theme-manager worked before, but started to misbehave today :(
[12:55] <lizdeika> dont ever reboot f
[12:56] <ZzeCoOl> DaNewB how does this happen?
[12:56] <ZzeCoOl> before i reboot everything waz fine
[12:56] <ZzeCoOl> ogra help meee
[12:56] <DaNewB> ZzeCoOl, you mean before it upgrades to Hoary, right?
[12:56] <ZzeCoOl> no
[12:56] <lizdeika> dont ever reboot directly from session. first logout then reboot from gdm
[12:56] <ZzeCoOl> i have upgrade before
[12:56] <crimsun> keknehv: debmirror seems to be the culprit
[12:56] <DaNewB> lizdeika, why?
[12:57] <ZzeCoOl> and waz working perfectly in hoary
[12:57] <DaNewB> ZzeCoOl, then you upgraded something? Gnome?
[12:57] <lizdeika> because you get empty panels and stuff
[12:57] <ZzeCoOl> no only the drivers for ati
[12:57] <|D|> lizdeika: thats not normal
[12:57] <keknehv>  crimsun: so remove demirror? I don't even know what that is...
[12:57] <DaNewB> lizdeika, you mean like ZzeCoOl?
[12:57] <|D|> i reboot from gnome and nothing goes missing
[12:58] <ZzeCoOl> but i have uninstall them ...and the probem steel exist
[12:58] <lizdeika> |D|: i know but thats i trick if you want your menus and panels after shutdown/reboot
[12:58] <lizdeika> its in hoary hoary
[12:58] <sladen> |D|: pkill -u $USER  and log back in
[12:58] <lizdeika> one hoary :)
[12:58] <DaNewB> lizdeika, what's the trick? how do you get them back?
[12:58] <anaxagoras> Hello everybody
[12:59] <sladen> DaNewB: pkill -u $USER  and log back in
[12:59] <ZzeCoOl> yes tell us plz
[12:59] <|D|> sladen : why i'm not having problems
[12:59] <|D|> :P
[12:59] <usual> can anyone explain how these gui apps are suposed to be frontends to cdrecord but yet cdrecord doesn't detect my burner in the cli because it tries to find scsi emulated devices that are no longer there because they did away with that by default in 2.6
[12:59] <DaNewB> ZzeCoOl, i believe listen to sladen
[12:59] <ZzeCoOl> sladen
[12:59] <ZzeCoOl> are u sure?
[12:59] <sladen> |D|:  Alt-Ctrl-F1  login,   pkill -u $USER  log back in
[12:59] <ZzeCoOl> what does this command do?
[12:59] <keknehv> Aha! I think i found it... (= 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2) but 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.1 is to be installed
[01:00] <keknehv> So I just have to take that off, right>
[01:00] <sladen> ZzeCoOl: it kills all the processes belonging to you
[01:00] <lizdeika> sladen is right
[01:00] <ZzeCoOl> i have to kill X first?
[01:00] <ZzeCoOl> and then do it from the console?
[01:00] <lizdeika> because all those gnome-smth just sits there :)
[01:00] <keknehv> How do you remove something from the apt-get to-be-installed list?
[01:01] <lizdeika> :/
[01:01] <sladen> keknehv: how do you mean?
[01:01] <ZzeCoOl> sladen IM GONNA TRY THIS ONE...
[01:01] <ZzeCoOl> oupss sry for the caps
[01:01] <ZzeCoOl> killing X
[01:01] <DaNewB> lizdeika, Alt-Ctrl-F1  login,   pkill -u $USER  log back in
[01:01] <keknehv> sladen: it wants to install 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.1... How do I stop it from doing so?
[01:01] <DaNewB> lizdeika, oops
[01:02] <keknehv> I think it got confused and attempted to downgrade...
[01:02] <GammaRay> jdub: I ran apt-get install linux-386 and it got all the kernel packages but X still refuses to load w/ the nvidia driver
[01:02] <sladen> keknehv: 5.8.4-2 of what?
[01:02] <keknehv> ubuntu...
[01:02] <DaNewB> ZzeCo0l just doesnt listen properly eh...
[01:02] <keknehv>   perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2) but 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.1 is to be installed
[01:03] <lizdeika> mhmm eric3 looks quite good
[01:03] <ZzeCoOl> sladen you are the MAN
[01:03] <ZzeCoOl> it works
[01:03] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[01:03] <ZzeCoOl> thanx
[01:03] <ZzeCoOl> but how does this happen?
[01:04] <sladen> ZzeCoOl: there's a race condition somewhere, doing that kills *everything* and lets you start again
[01:04] <crimsun> keknehv: what depends on 0.1?
[01:04] <ZzeCoOl> nice
[01:04] <sladen> ZzeCoOl: presumbley with some of the items now cached so that they start (and finish) in a faster order
[01:04] <keknehv> crimsun: Perl  depends on 0.2, but it is going to install 0.1...
[01:05] <crimsun> keknehv: some other package is trying to pull in 0.1. Which?
[01:05] <sladen> keknehv: are you trying to do an upgrade/downgrade from hoary to warty ?
[01:05] <keknehv> No!
[01:05] <ZzeCoOl> sladen what ...im not a native speaker..and that waz tough for me
[01:05] <brian_> can anyone tell me what installing a kernel image WITH PINNINGS? means?
[01:05] <usual> nm i found it
[01:05] <usual> cdrecord uses dev= now
[01:05] <ZzeCoOl> presumbley???  O_o
[01:05] <keknehv> I just was trying to get htttrack and clicked "mark upgrades" at the same time
[01:06] <ZzeCoOl> one more thing guys how can i check if im using Xorg or Xfree?
[01:06] <ZzeCoOl> im not sure
[01:06] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[01:06] <Ribs> do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[01:06] <ZzeCoOl> yes
[01:06] <Ribs> then you are using xorg
[01:06] <ZzeCoOl> but i have aslo a Xfree config there
[01:07] <Ribs> probabily a old config file
[01:07] <ZzeCoOl> and xorg server it isnt install in synaptic
[01:07] <crimsun> ZzeCoOl: X -version
[01:07] <ZzeCoOl> i mean it isnt checked
[01:07] <ZzeCoOl> crimsun sec
[01:07] <crimsun> (don't paste in here, of course ;)
[01:08] <ZzeCoOl> XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Ubuntu 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu26 20041122120931 root@mcmurdo.warthogs.hbd.com)
[01:08] <ZzeCoOl> Release Date: 15 August 2003
[01:08] <LordOfTheNewbs> stop!
[01:08] <ZzeCoOl> this isnt xorg
[01:08] <LordOfTheNewbs> that's enough :o
[01:08] <ZzeCoOl> :(
[01:08] <crimsun> well, that should answer your question.
[01:08] <ZzeCoOl> yes
[01:08] <crimsun> do you have 'xserver-xorg' installed?
[01:08] <ZzeCoOl> i see
[01:09] <ZzeCoOl> what i have to install and what to remove from synaptic so i can have xorg
[01:09] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: install ubuntu-desktop
[01:09] <ZzeCoOl> i dont knoe if it is better but everybody use it
[01:09] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[01:09] <ZzeCoOl> xserver-xorg or ubuntu desktop[?
[01:09] <jaco> u must upgrade to hoary
[01:09] <ZzeCoOl> i am in hoary
[01:09] <jaco> :)
[01:09] <LordOfTheNewbs> ZzeCoOl, beware, ATI drivers might (?) not work with xorg!
[01:09] <jaco> ok
[01:09] <ZzeCoOl> and i have a xorg config file
[01:09] <jaco> sorry
[01:10] <ZzeCoOl> yeas i know about ati
[01:10] <ZzeCoOl> crimsun jdub  ubuntu destop or xserver-xorg?
[01:10] <tjs> anyone noticed that in hoary mono isnt installable atm?
[01:10] <ZzeCoOl> what package?
[01:11] <tjs> mono
[01:11] <crimsun> tjs: correct. There's someone working on it.
[01:11] <tjs> cool :)
[01:11] <jaco> ZzeCoOl: u r in hoary but u haven't x.org?
[01:11] <crimsun> ZzeCoOl: jdub's advice.
[01:11] <Adrenal> anyone know of any free web based web browsers?
[01:11] <ZzeCoOl> ok
[01:11] <crimsun> Adrenal: err?
[01:11] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: if you're running hoary, and for some reason don't have xorg, install ubuntu-desktop.
[01:11] <Adrenal> like www.anonymizer.com, but free
[01:12] <Adrenal> http://www.anonymizer.com/
[01:12] <Ribs> Adrenal, That's a proxy, not a web browser
[01:12] <ZzeCoOl> strange is that i have an xorg.conf in etc/X11
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> er
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> Adrenal: 'web based browser'
[01:12] <techn9ne> arenta ll browsers web based?
[01:12] <jaco> ZzeCoOl: perhaps u must update a link to X ?
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> what exactly do you mean
[01:12] <Adrenal> ribs:whatever, do u know of any free ones?
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> whatdo you want to acheive
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> do you want to look at websites?
[01:12] <Adrenal> snopes.com seems to be blocked me for some reason
[01:13] <techn9ne> Adrenal: www.proxify.com
[01:13] <HrdwrBoB> www.mozilla.org/firefox
[01:13] <Omega11> hi
[01:13] <Omega11> y
[01:13] <Omega11> does
[01:13] <HrdwrBoB> Adrenal: yes, proxy
[01:13] <Omega11> ubuntu
[01:13] <Adrenal> hrdwr: check http://www.anonymizer.com/
[01:13] <Omega11> linux
[01:13] <HrdwrBoB> Adrenal: use the proxy
[01:13] <Omega11> suck?
[01:13] <Adrenal> thats what i meant
[01:13] <HrdwrBoB> yes, so use that
[01:13] <Ribs> Adrenal, I have no need for one
[01:13] <ZzeCoOl> ok im installing
[01:13] <Adrenal> i do, thus the question
[01:13] <techn9ne> Omega11: no but ppl that write sentences over multiple lines do
[01:13] <Adrenal> ok, thanks tech
[01:14] <Adrenal> later
[01:14] <Omega11> ATI GRAPHICS CARDS ARE BETTER THEN NVIDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[01:14] <Omega11> ATI GRAPHICS CARDS ARE BETTER THEN NVIDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[01:14] <Omega11> ATI GRAPHICS CARDS ARE BETTER THEN NVIDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[01:14] <Omega11> HAHA
[01:14] <ZzeCoOl> omg
[01:14] <ZzeCoOl> but they dont have drivers for linux
[01:14] <ZzeCoOl> haha
[01:14] <HrdwrBoB> Omega11: be quiet, and go away
[01:14] <lizdeika> yeah :(
[01:14] <crimsun> ZzeCoOl: don't feed the trolls.
[01:14] <bj_> they all sux compared to sudio9
[01:14] <ZzeCoOl> crimsun yes you are right
[01:14] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[01:15] <ZzeCoOl> sry
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> bj_: you mean number 9
[01:15] <bj_> whatver i forgot
[01:15] <bj_> soo oold
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> I have one
[01:15] <bj_> me too, kept causing cmos errors
[01:16] <ZzeCoOl> now that i have install ubuntu-desktop i have remove xfree???
[01:16] <ZzeCoOl> because of the xorg package?
[01:16] <jaco> ZzeCoOl: check the link to X
[01:16] <Omega11> w
[01:16] <Omega11> h
[01:16] <Omega11> y
[01:16] <Omega11> d
[01:16] <Omega11> o
[01:16] <Omega11> e
[01:16] <Omega11> s
[01:16] <Omega11> u
[01:16] <Omega11> b
[01:16] <ZzeCoOl> jaco what link?
[01:17] <Omega11> u
[01:17] <Ribs> oh great, we have a troll
[01:17] <Omega11> n
[01:17] <brian_> can anyone tell me what installing a kernel image WITH PINNINGS? means?
[01:17] <Omega11> t
[01:17] <Omega11> u
[01:17] <Ribs> and no ops to deal with him
[01:17] <Omega11> l
[01:17] <buga> ZzeCoOl: you should have installed one of xfree or x86
[01:17] <Omega11> i
[01:17] <Omega11> n
[01:17] <Omega11> u
[01:17] <Omega11> x
[01:17] <Omega11> s
[01:17] <Omega11> u
[01:17] <Omega11> c
[01:17] <Omega11> k
[01:17] <buga> sorry, one of xfree86 or xorg
[01:17] <Omega11> ?
[01:17] <Omega11> cool
[01:17] <Omega11> no
[01:17] <Omega11> ops
[01:17] <Omega11> to
[01:17] <Omega11> deal
[01:17] <Omega11> with
[01:17] <Omega11> me
[01:17] <Omega11> now
[01:17] <Omega11> you
[01:17] <Omega11> are
[01:17] <Omega11> fucked
[01:17] <Omega11> .
[01:17] <Omega11> l
[01:17] <Ribs> Omega11, Do you get a kick out of annoying people?
[01:17] <Omega11> o
[01:17] <Omega11> l
[01:18] <Ribs> Omega11, I mean, is your life so pointless and boring, you have to annoy people on IRC?
[01:18] <bj_> bant'
[01:18] <ZzeCoOl> probably
[01:18] <Ribs> Omega11, do you REALLY have nothing better to do with your time?
[01:18] <dc0e> Ribs: ignore him
[01:18] <mchasard> hi
[01:18] <Ribs> dc0e, advice taken :)
[01:18] <jaco> ZzeCoOl /etc/X11/X symlink has to point to  /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg
[01:18] <bj_> hey howcome when someone talks to me it becomes red text
[01:19] <mchasard> is there a new beta which works with xorg please ?
[01:19] <bj_> do you have to / msg them
[01:19] <ZzeCoOl> jaco and how can i chck this?
[01:19] <jaco> ls -l ZzeCoOl
[01:19] <jaco> open a terminal
[01:19] <dc0e> bj_: your irc client must be doing that, probably to get your attention.
[01:19] <jaco> cd /etc/X11
[01:19] <jaco> and ls -l
[01:19] <ZzeCoOl> ok
[01:19] <ZzeCoOl> ohh yes
[01:19] <bj_> it did it agin, maybe its just when you type my name
[01:19] <ZzeCoOl> it is ok
[01:20] <jaco> ok, so u have x.org working?
[01:20] <ZzeCoOl> now how can i remove the xfree files?
[01:20] <dc0e> bj_: probably when it sees bj_: at the beginning of the line
[01:20] <arc_> hi all
[01:20] <ZzeCoOl> X pointing in xorg but i have xfree running
[01:20] <ZzeCoOl> strange ehh?
[01:20] <bj_> yeah, crazy
[01:20] <jaco> mmmmm strange
[01:20] <ZzeCoOl> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root    17 2005-01-17 02:14 X -> /usr/bin/X11/Xorg
[01:20] <Ribs> bj_, It's logical when you think about it
[01:20] <arc_> does anybody has problems with sound and pmud's suspend with ubuntu ppc?
[01:21] <jaco> how u know that u r runninf xfree?
[01:21] <ZzeCoOl> ohh
[01:21] <Ribs> bj_, It's a nice way of letting you know someone is taking to you, and to alert you to it
[01:21] <ZzeCoOl> it is ok now
[01:21] <ZzeCoOl> i have xorg
[01:21] <arc_> I'm using an ibook
[01:21] <bj_> yeah i know. its just cool
[01:21] <jaco> ???????? ZzeCoOl ????
[01:21] <ZzeCoOl> but what about this xorg thing is it better than xfree?
[01:21] <Omega11> :z
[01:21] <Omega11> x
[01:21] <Omega11> s
[01:21] <Omega11> a
[01:21] <Omega11> q
[01:21] <Omega11> w
[01:21] <Omega11> e
[01:21] <Omega11> r
[01:21] <Omega11> t
[01:21] <Omega11> y
[01:21] <jaco> ZzeCoOl: x.org use vector
[01:21] <Omega11> u
[01:21] <Omega11> i
[01:21] <bj_> w00t user ignored
[01:21] <Omega11> o
[01:21] <Omega11> p
[01:21] <ZzeCoOl> that means?
[01:21] <Omega11> l
[01:21] <Omega11> k
[01:21] <Omega11> j
[01:21] <Omega11> h
[01:21] <jaco> more fast, more effects
[01:21] <Omega11> g
[01:21] <Omega11> f
[01:22] <Omega11> d
[01:22] <ZzeCoOl> wow
[01:22] <ZzeCoOl> nice
[01:22] <Omega11> s
[01:22] <jaco> and the license is different
[01:22] <Omega11> a
[01:22] <ZzeCoOl> hahaah
[01:22] <Ribs> about time
[01:22] <ZzeCoOl> hahaahahah
[01:22] <arc_> jdub: nice work :P
[01:22] <ZzeCoOl> jdub  :))
[01:22] <ZzeCoOl> clean and fresh
[01:22] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[01:22] <ZzeCoOl> hehe
[01:22] <LordOfTheNewbs> long live jdub!
[01:22] <jaco> jdub u r a bad man :)
[01:23] <ZzeCoOl> omg
[01:23] <Ribs> jdub, now it's time to learn the ban part of a kickban ;)
[01:23] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: the major differences are new extensions such as DAMAGE, XEVIE, COMPOSITE and XFIXES
[01:23] <mchasard> please whats the difference betwenn ubuntu 4.10 a,d gnoppix 0.8.2.2 ?
[01:23] <Omega11> do
[01:23] <Omega11> not
[01:23] <Omega11> ever
[01:23] <Omega11> fucking
[01:23] <Omega11> ban
[01:23] <Omega11> me
[01:23] <Omega11> or
[01:23] <Omega11> i
[01:23] <Omega11> will
[01:23] <Omega11> end
[01:23] <Omega11> the
[01:23] <ZzeCoOl> jdub  im not a linux expert can u just tell me the easy part of it?
[01:23] <Omega11> world
[01:23] <jdub> Omega11: cool it please
[01:23] <Omega11> i
[01:23] <Omega11> am
[01:23] <Omega11> the
[01:23] <Omega11> fucking
[01:23] <Omega11> omega
[01:23] <Omega11> im the Omega
[01:23] <Omega11> :)
[01:24] <jdub> Omega11: this is inappropriate behaviour here, please read our code of conduct
[01:24] <Omega11> fuck you coc
[01:24] <Ribs> you think he doesn't know that?
[01:24] <ZzeCoOl> U are actualy the last letter
[01:24] <ZzeCoOl> stupid
[01:24] <Ribs> He just wants attention
[01:24] <Ribs> something he doesn't get in the real world
[01:24] <ZzeCoOl> alpha vita gama delta....blah blah blah
[01:24] <jdub> Ribs: keep it nice please
[01:24] <Ribs> *shrug*
[01:24] <sulkd> http://www.moresecurity.org/~henry/fluffy.JPG <-- Omega11
[01:24] <elocal> azureus for ubuntu?
[01:24] <Omega11> no im the guy at www.goat.cx
[01:25] <Ribs> jdub, just calling it how I see it. I've seen his type hundreds of times before...
[01:25] <ZzeCoOl> elocal yes they is
[01:25] <Omega11> thats my ass
[01:25] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[01:25] <Omega11> on there
[01:25] <ZzeCoOl> there is*
[01:25] <elocal> ZzeCoOl, awesome
[01:25] <regeya> actually that would be goatse.cx
[01:25] <Ribs> Why you are putting up with it this long amazes me
[01:25] <Omega11> goatse.cx is gone
[01:25] <mchasard> so ubuntu 4.1 or gnoppix 0.8.2.2 ?
[01:25] <Omega11> its goat.cx now
[01:25] <regeya> giw
[01:25] <mchasard> is it the same ?
[01:25] <jdub> ZzeCoOl: there's not a lot of qualitative difference until COMPOSITE supports more hardware, and more software starts using the extensions
[01:25] <mchasard> please ...
[01:25] <Omega11> 1
[01:25] <Omega11> 2
[01:25] <Omega11> 3
[01:25] <Omega11> 4
[01:25] <Omega11> 5
[01:25] <Omega11> 6
[01:25] <Omega11> 7
[01:25] <Omega11> 8
[01:25] <brian_> stfu
[01:25] <jdub> mchasard: new gnoppix releases are based on ubuntu
[01:25] <Omega11> 9
[01:25] <ZzeCoOl> ok thank u jdub
[01:25] <Omega11> 0
[01:25] <jdub> Omega11: cut it out please
[01:25] <Omega11> 9
[01:25] <Omega11> 8
[01:25] <Omega11> 7
[01:25] <brian_> can anyone tell me what installing a kernel image WITH PINNINGS? means?
[01:25] <Omega11> 6
[01:25] <Omega11> 5
[01:26] <Omega11> 4
[01:26] <regeya> bless you jdub
[01:26] <brian_> ty
[01:26] <chibif1> Win <3
[01:26] <jdub> sorry folks, not something we do or want to see often
[01:26] <mchasard> ok ...so gnoppix has newest version ?
[01:26] <ZzeCoOl> may the force be with u jdub  alwayss.....
[01:26] <NewbieOnSteroids> everyone put him in your ignore list...
[01:26] <DonL> hope it works this time
[01:26] <elocal> ZzeCoOl, is there a .deb? or nasty(uncontrolled) manual install?
[01:26] <dc0e> brian_: see /etc/apt/preferences -- you can 'pin' a package to a release or version or origin, etc.
[01:26] <mchasard> the 0
[01:26] <jaco> :)
[01:26] <jdub> mchasard: there is an alpha release of gnoppix that is based on hoary and our new livecd infrastructure
[01:26] <sulkd> so when is the world getting destroyed?
[01:26] <regeya> I mean I could have ignored Omegall and all, but that sort of situation is what ops ared for. :-)
[01:26] <regeya> are even
[01:27] <sulkd> seems a bit of an anticlimax
[01:27] <mchasard> the 0.9.3.b1 hoary has trouble with xorg for me ...
[01:27] <techn9ne> is hoary going oth ave a new installer?
[01:27] <techn9ne> ive encountered a lot of computers where i cant install ubuntu at all
[01:27] <jdub> techn9ne: improved, but not new
[01:27] <sulkd> captain_ron, ooh very inventive that
[01:27] <mchasard> icant go till the end of boot ...
[01:27] <jdub> techn9ne: file bugs please, so we can fix the problems
[01:27] <jaco> 674 / 934 i'm near to hoary :)
[01:27] <jdub> hey jmhodges
[01:27] <brian_> because (yes im still working on this wacom thing) says i need to install 2.6.10 with pinnings, now i installed the image and restricted modules that all i need?
[01:27] <techn9ne> where do i file bugs?
[01:27] <ZzeCoOl> jaco be prepared to face hell and disaster
[01:28] <ZzeCoOl> haahahah
[01:28] <bj_> ooh, sincce there are people in here tonight... I know you haveto enable composite in xorg.conf. what about damage and the otherones
[01:28] <ZzeCoOl> j/k
[01:28] <jaco> ZzeCoOl: argh!!!!! why?
[01:28] <jdub> bj_: type 'xdpyinfo | less'
[01:28] <chibif1> Wacom support is important, I don't have any other mice :P
[01:28] <ZzeCoOl> i had some problems
[01:28] <ZzeCoOl> but hoary rocks
[01:28] <jmhodges> heya Jdub
[01:28] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[01:28] <jaco> what type of problems?
[01:28] <ZzeCoOl> everything is latest version and rock
[01:28] <ZzeCoOl> with gnome  menus
[01:28] <ZzeCoOl> and ati driver
[01:28] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[01:28] <jdub> bj_: under 'number of extensions', it will almost certainly list DAMAGE, XFIXES, etc.
[01:29] <swim> hi folks, just installed warty, need to get my touchpad working... anyone wanna help? :)
[01:29] <spiral> The following packages have been kept back:
[01:29] <spiral>   libdbd-mysql-perl
[01:29] <spiral> is it normal ?
[01:29] <jaco> mmmmm.....
[01:29] <jdub> bj_: have you used the remote desktop feature in gnome?
[01:29] <bj_> nothing came up
[01:29] <randabis> Graal Porn
[01:29] <spiral> swim: synaptics driver...
[01:29] <bj_> jdub: no
[01:29] <swim> spiral it seems to be installed
[01:29] <randabis> I like cheap porn
[01:29] <jdub> bj_: the new version of it uses DAMAGE, and significantly less CPU :)
[01:29] <chibif1> randabis - o_O;.. Little link sprites pulling rocks?
[01:30] <jaco> what's DAMAGE?
[01:30] <spiral> swim: is your X config file ready for synaptics ?
[01:30] <bj_> xdpinfo says command not found
[01:30] <jdub> jaco: it's an extension that reports areas of change on the x server
[01:30] <jdub> bj_: xdpyinfo
[01:30] <swim> spiral, mmm didnt add anyting so I guess not?
[01:30] <dc0e> bj_: xdpyinfo
[01:30] <bj_> hah yeah doh
[01:30] <jaco> ah.. ok,, i've understood
[01:31] <jdub> jaco: so for a client-side vnc server, that's a huge win - it doesn't have to poll the entire screen or entire windows
[01:31] <mchasard> so which version its better to download  ?
[01:31] <jaco> yes, i've understood
[01:31] <jdub> mchasard: do you want it for testing, or regular use?
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> especailly for large resolutions
[01:31] <jono> hi all
[01:31] <bj_> jdub: thanks, everything seems to be in order
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> anything >800x600 without the extensions will eat your CPU
[01:32] <jono> anyone experiencing problems running apache in hoary right now?
[01:32] <GammaRay> anyone else notice that apt-get remove is about as bas as start -> shutdown?
[01:32] <mchasard> i like news ...version
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> GammaRay: not really
[01:32] <jdub> mchasard: if you want to test the devel branch livecd, i'd recommend pulling the hoary version
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> GammaRay: if it bothers you, alias apt-remove="apt-get remove"
[01:32] <GammaRay> HrdwrBoB: how suprising :-P
[01:33] <jdub> GammaRay: you could use aptitude install/remove instead
[01:33] <spiral> GammaRay: lol
[01:33] <spiral> any idea for my problem ? libdbd-mysql-perl ?
[01:33] <kent> jdub, are those xorg extension enabled by default in Hoary?  i see no mention of them in my xorg.conf.  what should i do to turn them on?
[01:33] <jdub> spiral: i missed it, what was the problem?
[01:33] <mchasard> and for a regulat use its better to take the warty ?
[01:33] <dc0e> GammaRay: apt-get install packagename- is even more intuitive
[01:34] <mchasard> bye you , you can boot without xorg troubles ?
[01:34] <jdub> kent: the only ones that need to be manually enabled are COMPOSITE and EVIE
[01:34] <jdub> mchasard: the warty livecd is mostly okay
[01:34] <mchasard> with the last one haory
[01:34] <repete> Where can I download the development release of Ubuntu?
[01:34] <bj_> ooh, whats this evei
[01:34] <spiral> jdub: it doesn't want to upgrade it when doing dist-upgrade
[01:34] <stuNNed_> what would cause bus latency with modem driver?
[01:34] <stuNNed_> dbus?
[01:34] <spiral> "libdbd-mysql-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.6.1"
[01:34] <jdub> mchasard: but if you specifically want xorg, use the hoary one
[01:34] <ZzeCoOl> i need a package that have windows fonts
[01:34] <ZzeCoOl> like arial
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> ZzeCoOl: install msttcorefonts
[01:35] <jaco> ttfonts ZzeCoOl
[01:35] <ZzeCoOl> aahhhh
[01:35] <ZzeCoOl> yes
[01:35] <jaco> on sourceforge
[01:35] <ZzeCoOl> yesss that waz the name
[01:35] <jdub> bj_: input mangling
[01:35] <ZzeCoOl> :>>>
[01:35] <jdub> jaco: in multiverse
[01:35] <kent> jdub, and is there documents on ubuntus homepage about turning composite and evie on?
[01:35] <techn9ne> can you get java jre via apt-get ?
[01:35] <mchasard> ok thanks ...i will seee tomorrow ...cause here in france its later in the night ..
[01:35] <bj_> ohh, i read about that. useless right now right?
[01:35] <jaco> in multiverse :) sorry i'm a newbye with ubuntu
[01:35] <stuNNed_> or what causes bus latency rather?
[01:35] <swim> folks how do I start nautilus-cd burner?
[01:35] <jdub> kent: xevie won't be useful for you, but there are lots of googleable documents about how to turn COMPOSITE on
[01:35] <DonL> Have they got Hoary X-org sorted with the Nvidia drivers?
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> swim: insert a blank CD
[01:36] <ZzeCoOl> HrdwrBoB do you know any repository that have this package?
[01:36] <jdub> DonL: works for me
[01:36] <jaco> jdub: how to enalble COMPOSITE and EVIE in hoary?
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> swim: it's also under 'places'
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> ZzeCoOl: I think it's un universe or multiverse
[01:36] <jdub> jaco: there are lots of googleable documents that will help
[01:36] <jaco> ok, :-(
[01:36] <swim> HrdwrBoB, thx
[01:36] <DonL> That's good jdub. I had nothing but problems with that situation in Fedora
[01:36] <ZzeCoOl> it isnt
[01:36] <jaco> i was only curious
[01:36] <ZzeCoOl> casue i have them and i cant find them
[01:36] <ZzeCoOl> and i cant find it*
[01:36] <swim> HrdwrBoB, will that work to burn dvds?
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> swim: yes
[01:37] <chibif1> Data DVD or movie dvd?
[01:37] <jaco> ZzeCoOl: in /etc/apt/source.list uncomment multiverse
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> swim: assuming you just want DVDs with files on them
[01:37] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, hi, would dbus cause bus latency or maybe something in laptop bios?
[01:37] <DonL> GammaRay, lol
[01:37] <swim> HrdwrBoB, for the most part yes...
[01:38] <ZzeCoOl> jaco it is allready
[01:38] <ZzeCoOl> ..
[01:38] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: unlikely
[01:38] <Stew2> How do I add support in Ubuntu warty for a Adaptec 2940 card and Yamaha CRW4416S I just added?
[01:38] <swim> hmmm no amarok in any of the repositories?
[01:38] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, probly kernel related?
[01:38] <runenes> webmin is automatically setup with the root password, but there is no root password (?), anyone know how to set the password for webmin?
[01:38] <HrdwrBoB> highly likely, most issues with laptops are ACPI etc issues
[01:39] <ZzeCoOl> HrdwrBoB u are right ....for a strange reason multiverse stuck at warty
[01:39] <Stew2> runenes sudo passwd root
[01:39] <ZzeCoOl> thank u HrdwrBoB
[01:39] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, k thanks can i disable acpi or?
[01:39] <jaco> runenes in /usr/share/webimin there is a changepasswd.plg
[01:39] <ZzeCoOl> finialy with hoary my computer turn off properly
[01:39] <jaco> runenes in /usr/share/webimin there is a changepasswd.pl
[01:40] <runenes> jaco, thx I'll try
[01:40] <mchasard> ok thanks for your information i have to go
[01:40] <mchasard> goodnight
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: yes, you can add acpi=off to the kernel line
[01:40] <DonL> ZzeCool, never had that problem (shutting off)
[01:40] <jaco> ehm changepass.pl is the right file :)
[01:40] <jdub> stuNNed_: no, dbus would not cause hardware bus latency, they're entirely unrelated.
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: either in the /boot/grub/menu.lst or edit the line for a once off test on boot
[01:40] <chibif1> jdub - Any new plans for the xfce ubuntu doohicky?
[01:40] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, that's it don't need to uninstall anything?
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> no
[01:41] <jdub> chibif1: still trying to get in touch with people
[01:41] <swim> hmm Im running warty, but Id like to install amarok, (to use in gnome) is it ok if I install it via: deb http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/ hoary universe  ?
[01:41] <ZzeCoOl> DonL it depents on the motherboard
[01:41] <crimsun> chibif1: doohicky? :-)
[01:41] <runenes> jaco, it worked thank you !
[01:41] <DonL> Ahh. I see.
[01:41] <jdub> swim: no, mixing repos is going to hurt
[01:41] <jaco> :)
[01:41] <swim> jdub, is there any other way to install amarok?
[01:41] <chibif1> I guess we're putting together an XFCE desktop/Live disc built around Ubuntu. :o
[01:42] <brian_> can i install hoary apps in warty?
[01:42] <crimsun> chibif1: interesting. Basing it off xfld?
[01:42] <Stew2> Is there something I have to do after adding a PCI scsi card (adaptec) and a Yamaha 4x4x16 scsi burner to my PC desktop with Ubuntu Warty?
[01:42] <NewbieOnSteroids> swim, it might have been backported?
[01:42] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, thanks!  last time tried to acpi=off things got squirrely, should try to install apmd and use that instead?
[01:42] <ZzeCoOl> brian_ no they have diff deps versions
[01:42] <stuNNed_> jdub, ok thanks
[01:42] <crimsun> chibif1: or just porting the XFce bits to the ubuntu livecd?
[01:42] <chibif1> Probably porting XFCE bits to the live disc and ubuntu-izing it.
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: you can load apm after you boot
[01:43] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, ok, trying now thanks, can't believe modem connection lasted this long :D
[01:43] <crimsun> chibif1: interesting. I'm sure Benny would like to know.
[01:43] <chibif1> Benny does know :P
[01:43] <swim> NewbieOnSteroids, so just if I can find it googling?
[01:44] <dc0e> brian_: apt-get source and then build them on warty, that'll create the right dependencies if the maintainer did his job correctly.
[01:44] <brian_> what about muine (musicplayer)
[01:44] <chibif1> Mentioned it to him earlier yesterday. :D
[01:44] <crimsun> chibif1: ah, excellent.
[01:44] <brian_> it has all dependedcies satisfied
[01:44] <brian_> ok
[01:44] <DonL> Speaking of google, has anyone tried Scroogle?
[01:44] <NewbieOnSteroids> swim, no idea, i dont have amarok
[01:44] <Stew2> If I add a pci scsi card to my system with a yamaha burner, is there something I need to do to get it working?
[01:44] <ZzeCoOl> DonL no what is this?
[01:44] <brian_> scroogle?
[01:44] <swim> is anyone using amarok?
[01:45] <DonL> Strips the commercial stuff of Google, and doesn't give you cookies
[01:45] <crimsun> Stew2: you may need to adjust which device to burn with, but that's about it.
[01:45] <chibif1> That's mean. I want cookies. :o
[01:45] <dc0e> DonL: nice, where is it?
[01:45] <brian_> oh heh nvm i clicked muine and i get a whole bunch of upgrades to do and stuff to install
[01:45] <Stew2> It doesn't show up as a device in Computer, Disks
[01:46] <DonL> Let me find it..
[01:46] <ZzeCoOl> no it is a stupid site with an american hero or something
[01:46] <ZzeCoOl> omg
[01:46] <ZzeCoOl> !!!!
[01:46] <ZzeCoOl> www.scroogle.com
[01:46] <ZzeCoOl> you maybe mean .org?
[01:46] <DonL> http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm
[01:46] <dc0e> DonL: and ZzeCoOl: thanks
[01:47] <DonL> Don't know if it's legal, but it works. You're welcome
[01:47] <dc0e> DonL: how could it not be legal.  I'm free to ignore anything i want.
[01:47] <ZzeCoOl> dc0e about what??
[01:47] <NewbieOnSteroids> DonL,  Google would not appreciate
[01:47] <DonL> dc0e, guess you're right
[01:47] <DonL> NewbieOnSteroids, probably not
[01:47] <ZzeCoOl> nahhhh
[01:47] <ZzeCoOl> i like google more
[01:48] <ZzeCoOl> i like google's eye kandy
[01:48] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[01:48] <DonL> Don't get me wrong. I've always liked google
[01:48] <brian_> why scrap the stuff off?
[01:48] <brian_> and isnt this using google's bandwidth
[01:48] <Stew2> What's a good CD Burner package for Ubunty Linux?
[01:48] <DonL> Well, they only save where you've been for a week or so
[01:48] <brian_> GRAVEMAN
[01:48] <brian_> for burning
[01:49] <Stew2> brian_ It doesn't come up in the package manager
[01:49] <brian_> google is theres ubuntu files at the site
[01:49] <ZzeCoOl> Stew2 k3b ...but u may have problem with your login
[01:49] <brian_> you have to add the source at the website
[01:49] <chibif1> K3B doesn't install on warty :P
[01:49] <brian_> k3b u need a whole bunch of kde stuff better stick with a gnome based one
[01:49] <DonL> I installed it, chibif1
[01:50] <brian_> scresto.site.voila.fr/gravemanuk.html
[01:50] <regeya> suggest an equivalent or better gui burner than k3b
[01:50] <chibif1> I attempted it yesterday. :P
[01:50] <crimsun> regeya: graveman.
[01:50] <regeya> kde seems to mean 'leprosy' in ubuntu-speak
[01:50] <brian_> ive been saying graveman! haha
[01:50] <DonL> I just wanted to look at it. I don't have a burner so I dumped it after I had a look
[01:51] <regeya> I'll take a look.
[01:51] <jaco> ZzeCoOl: if u run K3bsetup from a non root user it change the permission on Xauthorithy
[01:51] <jaco> so u can't login
[01:51] <brian_> this is the simplest burning utility ever
[01:51] <regeya> I believe I said "equivalent or better"
[01:51] <NewbieOnSteroids> brian_, looks neat
[01:51] <jaco> if u ve this error simply put the right permission on Xautorithy from a root login
[01:51] <regeya> then again I don't guess I need nice integrated DVD tools, eh (not that that works out of the box on warty anyway)
[01:52] <brian_> the only thing i guess k3b has is dvd burning
[01:52] <jaco> 853 / 934 i'm near to the end
[01:52] <jaco> ARgh
[01:52] <regeya> then again, a dvd is a dvd more or less
[01:52] <ZzeCoOl> jaco .icexathority or sonmething is the file that is resposible for the k3b problem
[01:52] <regeya> they're all data disks
[01:53] <ZzeCoOl> u have to deleted
[01:53] <ZzeCoOl> and thats all
[01:53] <regeya> looks like a nice util
[01:53] <brian_> clean eh?
[01:53] <regeya> brian_: other than that, it looks nice
[01:53] <jaco> ZzeCoOl: is only a problem of permission
[01:53] <Stew2> graveman ./configure says I need an XML Parser.
[01:54] <brian_> http://www.grawert.net/ubuntu/dists/warty/universe/binary-i386/graveman_0.2-ubuntu2_i386.deb
[01:54] <brian_> theres a binary :)
[01:54] <ZzeCoOl> so u have to change the permission of ~ .ICEathority file or something?
[01:54] <jaco> yes
[01:54] <jaco> .XAuthorithy
[01:54] <jaco> i think
[01:54] <ZzeCoOl> i thing ICExathority
[01:54] <ZzeCoOl> or something
[01:54] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[01:54] <GammaRay> how would I play a .wav w/ a chewey dts inside?
[01:55] <brian_> http://www.coaster-burn.org/ is the only other burner i can recomend but no deb files
[01:55] <jaco> 907/934 we in Italy we say "speriamo che me la cavo"
[01:55] <regeya> I've been looking into writing a nice drag-and-drop app.  drag, say, a folder onto a desktop icon, and if it has, say, "AUDIO_TS" and "VIDEO_TS" folders, burn a DVD.  or drop .mp3, .wav, .flac, or .ogg files onto it, and it wants to do the right thing.  and so on.  Think it would be difficult but worth it
[01:56] <jaco> uaaaaaa
[01:56] <Stew2> brian_ What do I do with the .deb file once I download it?
[01:56] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, this is a tad bit older laptop, first time i got apm to load in ubuntu!  i think before was using pci=noacpi or something
[01:56] <jaco> 924... i'll reboot on hoary in few minutes
[01:56] <jaco> maro
[01:56] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: ahh yep
[01:56] <jaco> maro'
[01:56] <ZzeCoOl> jaco hope i can see u in here ....
[01:56] <jaco> god save my laptop
[01:56] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[01:56] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: apm and acpi are mutually exclusive
[01:56] <jaco> :)
[01:56] <ZzeCoOl> soon
[01:56] <GammaRay> Stew2: dpkg -i
[01:57] <jaco> i goooooooOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooo sighhhhhhh
[01:57] <jaco> :)
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> regeya: that is the future, unfortunately it doesn't exist atm
[01:57] <ZzeCoOl> hehe
[01:57] <kent> hey, i got compisite working in Hoary in no-time. Its realy looking nice with those shadows :)
[01:57] <arc_> it's slow
[01:57] <arc_> :P
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> kent: and it runs... like molasses
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> shadows are the perfect way to pretend you're using a machine half as fast as it is
[01:59] <GammaRay> can anyone using gtk 2.6 comment on the supposed speedups?
[01:59] <Stew2> How do I set the default browser if I have Firefox and Mozilla installed?
[02:00] <kent> HrdwrBoB, well, my computer is sort of fast, and i dont realy did not notice that much in speed-change.
[02:00] <HrdwrBoB> this POS is a P4 2.8 and I noticed it a lot
[02:00] <DonL> Stew2, Desktop Preferences, Preferred Applications
[02:01] <NewbieOnSteroids> HrdwrBoB, maybe the video card is important factor
[02:01] <jdub> GammaRay: there are specific, targeted optimisation improvements, but not on the whole
[02:01] <HrdwrBoB> NewbieOnSteroids: it is, but it doesn't matter what you do, it's still slow
[02:02] <parazoid> I need a good sid-player with a GUI
[02:02] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, more verbose error in syslog something like 'acpi support killed modem connection, try acpi=off kernel command' would be nice :P
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: it's not that easy unfortunately
[02:03] <kent> HrdwrBoB, i have a Athlon 2.8+ and it runs fast on my machine, but perhaps im a bit optimistic.. i dont know. I like it when it looks good :)
[02:04] <DonL> kent, maybe I missed it. What gui are you using
[02:04] <NewbieOnSteroids> kent, as long as you have the choice
[02:05] <kent> DonL, Gnome from Hoary.
[02:05] <DonL> Ah. okay.
[02:06] <brian_> help! i installed ubuntu hoary kernel and i cant get into X give me error
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> brian_: and you're using the nvidia drivers?
[02:06] <DonL> running Nvidia, brian?
[02:06] <brian_> yes..
[02:06] <DonL> snap
[02:06] <brian_> why?
[02:07] <Stew2> Where do I get an ISO for hoary that I can burn and install. The computer is hooked to the internet.
[02:07] <jdub> brian_: because the nvidia drivers use a kernel module - pretty important
[02:07] <DonL> You might have to go to Nvidia's site and read their how-to
[02:07] <jdub> brian_: ensure you have l-r-m for your kernel version
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> DonL: that isn't recommended
[02:07] <jdub> DonL: no need, we ship the drivers
[02:07] <jdub> brian_: what cpu do you have?
[02:07] <DonL> Oh really? HrdwrBoB?
[02:07] <brian_> i686
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> DonL: no, because you will break stuff, trust me on this
[02:07] <DonL> Cool! I didn't know that.
[02:08] <jdub> brian_: install linux-686
[02:08] <jdub> brian_: that will pull in the right l-r-m
[02:08] <brian_> ok becuase i did not use metapackages
[02:08] <jdub> brian_: and will help upgrades in the future
[02:09] <DonL> so maybe my hesitation at installing Hoary is unfounded
[02:09] <brian_> the only thing that installs is the metapackage no actual content
[02:09] <jdub> brian_: and the meta package depends
[02:10] <bj_> hoary rocks!
[02:10] <brian_> it did not prompt me to install anything else
[02:10] <Stew2> Do I burn http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/daily-installer-i386/20041227ubuntu5.0.20050114/images/netboot/mini.iso and use that to install hoary?
[02:10] <brian_> ill check manually
[02:10] <DonL> bj_, I was hoping that
[02:10] <randabis> I like my hoary
[02:10] <randabis> but, I can't get doom3 working
[02:11] <Grev> i like hoary, other than a couple of display bugs
[02:12] <jaco> ok
[02:12] <jaco> i'm an hoary man
[02:12] <jaco> but nothing seems to work
[02:12] <jaco> :)
[02:12] <jaco> ZzeCoOl:
[02:12] <jaco> r u there?
[02:12] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, welp, you hit the nail on the head!  acpi issues it was, it seems! thanks! :D
[02:13] <repete> I'm going to attempt installing hoary only because I cannot install warty :-/
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> wow
[02:13] <jaco> i haven't menu with hoary
[02:13] <repete> Live CD works great, but warty doesn't boot...
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> jaco
[02:13] <jaco> what's up?
[02:13] <jaco> ZzeCoOl: help
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> menu?
[02:13] <jaco> menu, fonts....
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> wait
[02:13] <jaco> i've only my terminal
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> and how did you get xchat working
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[02:13] <DonL> Where did you get your cd's repete?
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> it a bitch x?
[02:13] <jaco> x is started
[02:14] <jaco> but i haven't gnome i think
[02:14] <ZzeCoOl> just a sec
[02:14] <repete> DonL, from Mid-Western US mirror
[02:14] <brian_> ok now all i got is a bunch of metapackages installed that was dependednt of the linux image from hoary and restricted modules :/
[02:14] <jaco> ok
[02:14] <swim> hay folks, Im unable to get my touchpad to work, I followed howtos and still unable, dmesg|grep touchpad returns: ts: Compaq touchscreen protocol output... help?
[02:14] <ZzeCoOl> pkill -u $USER
[02:14] <repete> DonL, it worked great on a laptop.  Just not on my desktop.
[02:14] <ZzeCoOl> first kill X
[02:14] <ZzeCoOl> and then
[02:14] <DonL> Okay
[02:14] <ZzeCoOl> first kill X
[02:14] <ZzeCoOl> pkill -u $USER
[02:14] <jaco> ok, just a moment
[02:14] <ZzeCoOl> and starx
[02:14] <jdub> brian_: which linux-* packages do you have installed now?
[02:16] <swim> anyone?
[02:16] <DonL> not me, swim, sorry
[02:17] <randabis> dunno, my touchpad just worked
[02:17] <jdub> brian_: with the latest 2.6.10 stuff, it should work
[02:18] <jdub> works fine here
[02:18] <jdub> wonder if he's loaded the nvidia driver
[02:18] <randabis> probably not :p
[02:18] <crypticreign> no chkconfig?
[02:18] <jaco> nothing to do ZzeCoOl
[02:18] <jaco> sigh
[02:18] <randabis> I just wish I could get friggin' doom3 working
[02:19] <ZzeCoOl> damn
[02:19] <DonL> Are you running it through an emulator, randabis?
[02:19] <ZzeCoOl> try install ubuntu desktop
[02:19] <ZzeCoOl> or gnome again
[02:19] <jaco> mm ok
[02:20] <crypticreign> hmm catn find rcconf in apt
[02:20] <crypticreign> *cant
[02:21] <ZzeCoOl> it is ubuntu-desktop actually
[02:21] <GuBA> hello i need help with my HSP56 MR...
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> GuBA: your what?
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> modem
[02:23] <GuBA> HrdwrBoB, yes... is a winmodem ...
[02:23] <stuNNed_> GuBA, what is the problem?
[02:24] <GuBA> HrdwrBoB, I have installed it with driver slmodem in other distributions... but in ubuntu I have not been able
[02:24] <randabis> DonL no, native linux pork
[02:24] <randabis> port
[02:24] <randabis> lol
[02:24] <HrdwrBoB> GuBA: what happens if you sudo modprobe slmodem
[02:24] <GuBA> stuNNed, I cannot install it...
[02:25] <jdub> brian_: lsmod | grep nvidia
[02:25] <DonL> lol. I didn't know they made a version for Linux
[02:25] <HrdwrBoB> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:25] <randabis> they did, and it usually works very well, but I haven't been able to get it working at all in hoary
[02:25] <DonL> You don't mean Quake 3 do you?
[02:26] <Stew2> Hey for Hoary, do I simply burn and run http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/daily-installer-i386/20041227ubuntu5.0.20050114/images/netboot/mini.iso?
[02:27] <randabis> no, I mean Doom 3
[02:27] <randabis> native port's been out for months
[02:27] <DonL> Okay. Didnt know that
[02:27] <GuBA> HrdwrBoB, I am not in Ubuntu ... what driver or package I need to install the modem
[02:29] <brian_> should i upgrade the nvidia-glx stuff to hoary version?
[02:29] <GuBA> HrdwrBoB,  ok... had not seen the Link
[02:30] <jdub> brian_: um... are you running hoary or not?
[02:30] <jdub> brian_: if you're trying to mix repos, then yes, you're going to have problems
[02:30] <jdub> brian_: not a good idea
[02:31] <brian_> warty
[02:31] <brian_> uh oh
[02:31] <jdub> warty's drivers work fine
[02:31] <randabis> if you want new stuff, upgrade to hoary, it's either all or none
[02:32] <brian_> ok
[02:32] <brian_> so i guess i cant get 2.6.10 on warty working can i
[02:32] <DonL> jdub, does an upgrade work okay? Just wondering
[02:33] <jdub> DonL: should do; what doesn't is a bug.
[02:33] <DonL> Good Thanks
[02:33] <Guardiann> there are some issues with upgrading to warty I believe
[02:33] <jdub> generally people don't upgrade to warty
[02:33] <jdub> it's not recommended
[02:33] <jdub> better to do a fresh install
[02:33] <DonL> That would be downgrading, wouldn't it?
[02:34] <Guardiann> i mean hoary :)
[02:34] <jdub> DonL: cross-grading, ie. coming from another distro
[02:34] <DonL> Oh yeah. I wouldn't try that
[02:34] <Guardiann> arnt there sound problems with hoary
[02:34] <DonL> It's just that other distro's I've used don't successfully upgrade
[02:35] <randabis> no sound problems here
[02:35] <Guardiann> have seen many posts concerning it
[02:35] <brian_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WacomTabletIssue  says : Or, you could just install an 2.6.10 image from hoary (with pinning), which should require no hotplug/blacklist editing, nor doing anything special...thats why im trying to get 2.6.10 installed on warty so is it possible?
[02:36] <jdub> DonL: debian has always been geared for this, ubuntu's goals are no different wrt online upgrades.
[02:36] <jdub> brian_: it is possible, but not recommended, and if you need things like nvidia drivers working, then you're in trouble.
[02:36] <DonL> That's what I thought, jdub, and what I was hoping for. I like this distro a lot.
[02:37] <Stew2> WHERE CAN I get an ISO for hoary?
[02:38] <pavkonti> it is not released
[02:39] <randabis> you can get daily isos of hoary here...
[02:40] <randabis> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/
[02:41] <dud> is it plain old impossible to get flash working on amd64?
[02:41] <sbrath> I'm finishing up the setup of a new US mirror and wondered if anyone would volunteer to look at it to see if it looks like I got everything...
[02:41] <dud> tried gplflash, but that crashed firefox all the time...
[02:43] <DonL> dud, I'm using K7 and the only thing that brings down Firefox is some of the video stuff
[02:43] <DonL> ...using MPlayer
[02:44] <dud> flashplayer-mozilla wont work for me, as macromedia havent released a 64bit version
[02:45] <tritium> mdz, you there
[02:45] <tritium> ?
[02:45] <ZzeCoOl> firefox only let me to do 2 downloads together ...does anyone knows how to change this?
[02:46] <mebaran> Anyone know how to increase the length of the bars in Gnome?
[02:46] <mebaran> You know the minimized app bars
[02:46] <dud> i think that might be sort of a "bug" mebaran
[02:46] <dud> eg, it only shows one letter and three dots
[02:47] <randabis> nah you can change it easy
[02:47] <ZzeCoOl> no it isnt
[02:47] <dud> how...?
[02:47] <tritium> sbrath, could you post the URL?
[02:47] <randabis> right click to the left of the the bar
[02:47] <randabis> click preferences --> size
[02:47] <dud> size changes the vertical size
[02:47] <ZzeCoOl> dud naxt to the show me desktop button is a seperator
[02:48] <ZzeCoOl> naxt next
[02:48] <ZzeCoOl> right click there
[02:48] <ZzeCoOl> and then click size
[02:48] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:48] <mebaran> I found it
[02:48] <ZzeCoOl> easy
[02:48] <mebaran> my minimum size was too low
[02:48] <mebaran> well it was rather odd
[02:48] <Ex-Cyber> HrdwrBoB: well, I tried fglrx just for kicks... GL's a bit faster, but 2D's still extremely slow
[02:48] <dud> ah, sweet that did the trick
[02:49] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[02:49] <ZzeCoOl> u see
[02:49] <ZzeCoOl> izzy
[02:49] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:49] <brian_> got 2.6.10 working with my nvidia
[02:49] <brian_> :D
[02:49] <DonL> What did you do, brian?
[02:50] <randabis> meh I told them how :p
[02:50] <ZzeCoOl> i hope i cant do the same with ATi and Xorg
[02:50] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[02:50] <brian_> i installed the hoary nvidia drivers thats it
[02:50] <DonL> Excellent!
[02:50] <brian_> now i got 2.6.10 on a warty install
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> Ex-Cyber: sounds like an inherent system problem
[02:51] <Ex-Cyber> HrdwrBoB: whatever it is, I didn't have it with Gentoo / x.org
[02:51] <brian_> omg my wacom works with the hoary kernel!
[02:51] <mebaran> haha
[02:51] <brian_> yea!
[02:51] <mebaran> brian_: how is the wacom tablet
[02:51] <DonL> It was for me in the past, HrdwrBoB. Looks like the Ubuntu bunch have it sorted
[02:51] <mebaran> I have been wanting to get one
[02:52] <mebaran> but I was unsure of its compatibility or if it was really fully supported
[02:52] <mebaran> it does like rather cool
[02:52] <mebaran> so have you had a good experience with it
[02:52] <brian_> it's pretty good it comes with photoshop elements too
[02:52] <brian_> the only problem is the crappy mouse that came with it
[02:52] <mebaran> on hoary 2.6.10 (like me)
[02:52] <mebaran> I already have a logitech mouse
[02:52] <brian_> and it took all week to get it working with ubuntu
[02:52] <mebaran> but does Linux do the pressure readings
[02:52] <mebaran> and all that fancy stuff
[02:53] <brian_> oh if you have hoary itll work out of the box
[02:53] <mebaran> yeah
[02:53] <mebaran> I took a week to get Hoary to work
[02:53] <mebaran> I paid my dues
[02:53] <tritium> The battery charge monitor applet doesn't show the status of both of my batteries.  Just the primary one...
[02:53] <brian_> the preassure and stuff works after you add this as a device to xf config file
[02:53] <DonL> You sacrificed for us, mebaran
[02:54] <Ex-Cyber> HrdwrBoB: besides, if it was a hardware problem the 3D should be choking too... I think this is some stupidity in XF86
[02:54] <mebaran> DonL: haha I did?
[02:54] <brian_> irght now its just working as a mouse
[02:54] <DonL> lol
[02:54] <mebaran> if so I expect payment
[02:54] <knghtbrd> er
[02:54] <knghtbrd> GergKH
[02:54] <DonL> That's why I really like this channel. So much help
[02:54] <knghtbrd> 2.6.10 + USB == bad!
[02:55] <mebaran> knghtbrd: how so
[02:55] <brian_> why?
[02:55] <neighborlee> anyone have clue about why I can't get audio from this episode preview under media library on this page: http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/VOY/episode/119403.html < ??? thx anyone for any help with this...;-))
[02:55] <jaco> ZzeCoOl: woorksssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
[02:55] <jaco> ubuntu is great!
[02:55] <jaco> :)
[02:55] <jaco> hoary is great:)
[02:55] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[02:55] <ZzeCoOl> hehe
[02:55] <jaco> font now r perfect
[02:55] <ZzeCoOl> i had the same problem
[02:55] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:55] <knghtbrd> mebaran: I think it has to do with some patch that was reverted ISTR around 2.6.7 and then put back
[02:55] <jaco> the problem was k3b
[02:55] <ZzeCoOl> aha
[02:56] <jaco> it conflict with an openoffice package
[02:56] <jaco> and stop the upgrade
[02:56] <brian_> now is there a way to uninstall the original linux 386 kernel ?
[02:56] <knghtbrd> mebaran: I'll have to find Zeph Hull to get him to explain it to me.  I haven't had a working system before ... Yesterday.
[02:56] <mebaran> you can
[02:57] <mebaran> knghtbrd: so USB just sort of failed
[02:57] <knghtbrd> mebaran: well, using it I get no keyboard and mouse (even though they exist), and when switching my input devices to PS/2 they work, but I can't use my Palms
[02:57] <DonL> neighborlee, I get "file not found". Seems like it's not there
[02:57] <knghtbrd> mebaran: so basically yes  =D
[02:57] <mebaran> oh
[02:57] <jaco> i go sleep
[02:58] <mebaran> knghtbrd: did you make sure to load usb-hid
[02:58] <mebaran> had the same problem on yoper
[02:58] <jaco> have a great night everyone
[02:58] <mebaran> for my mouse as I always use a USB keyboard
[02:58] <knghtbrd> mebaran: It loads itself on Ubuntu if needed
[02:58] <mebaran> well sometimes my autodetection was weird
[02:58] <mebaran> Ubuntu was the first system to actually succeed
[02:58] <mebaran> at finding all my toys
[02:58] <DonL> I'm going now.
[02:59] <knghtbrd> I don't think it's autodetection on Ubuntu.  I bet they cram the HID module in if they see USB ports.  It's the safe solution
[02:59] <DonL> Thanks for all your help
[02:59] <mebaran> maybe
[02:59] <mebaran> not my area of expertise
[03:00] <neighborlee> DonL: you must be clicking it wrong..its opening here fine when I right click ( in xchat ) : open in browser::
[03:00] <neighborlee> oops
[03:00] <neighborlee> grrr he left...ha no wonder tab complete wasn't working right..shrug
[03:00] <brian_> omg how do i install all these kernels? the keep installing others..
[03:00] <brian_> they*
[03:01] <knghtbrd> mebaran: no longer mine either.  Two years ago I could have built a distribution from scratch.  I did, more than once, one even had a 32 machine userbase(!), but I left the platform for awhile and the world has changed.
[03:02] <daniels> knghtbrd: er, we just do it with USB hotplug
[03:02] <daniels> knghtbrd: if someone plugs a USB HID device in, we load it through hotplug
[03:02] <knghtbrd> daniels: Oh crap  =D
[03:02] <knghtbrd> daniels: well apparently hotplug works most of the time now  ;)
[03:03] <cmr> hi, does anyone know a way to set the default gtk-2.0 font on a per-application basis?
[03:03] <knghtbrd> cmr: I remember sortof, but not specifics..
[03:04] <Andeee^> Can anyone help me please, I have downloaded and burned the Live cd, and when i reboot, it just loads windows. I changed the boot priority to go to cd-rom first. But it just wont detect it. Its as if it cannot see my cd-rom :/
[03:04] <brian_> cmr i think theres a setting for that in gconf
[03:04] <cmr> thanks
[03:04] <brian_> but im not shure
[03:04] <knghtbrd> Andeee^: it might be that your cdrom will not boot?
[03:05] <wastrel> my PAGER env variable is set to less and less is set for my pager in /etc/alternatives, but when i get a long list in tab completion it uses more
[03:05] <mebaran> if it will boot from floppy
[03:05] <mebaran> try the Smart Boot Manager
[03:05] <mebaran> very easy and simple to use
[03:05] <Andeee^> i tried it
[03:05] <MutantX> Are USB 1.1 mouse and keyboards easy to setup in Linux/Ubuntu?
[03:05] <knghtbrd> cmr: the specifics I don't remember involve modifying the gtkrc with a specific match what includes the app's name, kinda like Xresources.  You'd need someone else to tell you what exactly the incantation is.
[03:05] <Andeee^> but it came with a error
[03:05] <daniels> MutantX: you shouldn't need to set anything up
[03:05] <mebaran> Andeee^: are you sure that you burned the CD correctly
[03:06] <knghtbrd> cmr: looking at themes will tell you what the incantations look like
[03:06] <mebaran> you might have gotten a bad burn or accidently just copied the iso
[03:06] <mebaran> check it windows
[03:06] <Andeee^> i did
[03:06] <MutantX> daniels, cool, it's cause of my new KVM switch, only has USB ports :(
[03:06] <Andeee^> it autoruns in windows
[03:06] <Andeee^> and all the files are there
[03:06] <mebaran> have tried unplugging your harddisk
[03:06] <mebaran> haha
[03:06] <knghtbrd> haha mebaran
[03:06] <mebaran> that is the ghetto fabulous way of changing the boot priority
[03:06] <Andeee^> Oo
[03:06] <cmr> knghtbrd, brian_ thanks
[03:07] <mebaran> I dual boot windows and linux that way for awhile
[03:07] <mebaran> I would open the comp and switch the cables
[03:07] <Ex-Cyber> blah
[03:07] <Ex-Cyber> this is just baffling
[03:07] <bob2> ZzeCoOl: please turn that off
[03:07] <knghtbrd> unplug the HD..  hdhd
[03:07] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[03:07] <wastrel> zero cool
[03:08] <Andeee^> k
[03:08] <ZzeCoOl> it is Zze cool
[03:08] <ZzeCoOl> not zero
[03:08] <mebaran> what frenchie?
[03:08] <bob2> ZzeCoOl: turn that public away thing off
[03:08] <ZzeCoOl> a little bit
[03:08] <cmr> please turn off the auto-away plz k thx
[03:08] <geppy> How can I get esddsp?
[03:08] <mebaran> oooh
[03:08] <mebaran> nick didnt work
[03:08] <ZzeCoOl> bob2 ok but why...?
[03:08] <mebaran> there we go Nick works again
[03:09] <froust> anyone know how i can get icons for my cdrom and usb drive to show up on the desktop when they get mounted?
[03:09] <cmr> froust, should work automagically
[03:09] <mebaran> froust: they come by themselves
[03:09] <froust> okay... mine don't
[03:09] <Ex-Cyber> anyone know what could cause X 2D operations to take up way too much CPU aside from acceleration being disabled?
[03:09] <mebaran> just like bills and Disney magic
[03:09] <geppy> esddsp, anyone?
[03:10] <geppy> meh, esound-clients
[03:10] <daniels> Ex-Cyber: ... acceleration being disabled
[03:10] <geppy> argh, if esound would be returned for esd searches, my life would be much easier.  =)
[03:10] <knghtbrd> ZzeCoOl: there are 282 people in here.  Sometimes more than four are active at once.  That makes channel scroll fast.  Faster with autoaways and pastes and such things.  For that reason, they are strongly discouraged.
[03:11] <sbrath> tritium: Please check it out at ftp/http://ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net/pub/linux/ftp.ubuntu.com/ ( release, cdimage, ubuntu)
[03:11] <Ex-Cyber> daniels: well, apparently either XFree is lying to me about acceleration being enabled (and giving me fairly decent GL performance meanwhile), or there's something else lurking in the pipe slowing it down
[03:13] <knghtbrd> Ex-Cyber: what video card?
[03:13] <Ex-Cyber> knghtbrd: ATI Radeon 8500
[03:14] <knghtbrd> Ex-Cyber: My condolances.  But you shouldn't have the problem you're seeing.
[03:14] <Ex-Cyber> and the problem occurs with both XFree and fglrx drivers
[03:14] <Ex-Cyber> knghtbrd: oh, I agree :)
[03:15] <knghtbrd> Ex-Cyber: I had one.  Six months later the guys at Precision Insight (it was that long ago) showed no interest in making it not agplock my system.  I bought NV card for less and had faster performance.
[03:15] <ZzeCoOl> kk
[03:15] <ZzeCoOl> calm down
[03:15] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[03:17] <kotiro> is it easy enough to change kernels in ubuntu once its installed?
[03:17] <kotiro> ive nevr done it before..so im checking before i actually do it
[03:17] <Ex-Cyber> knghtbrd: I'll go back to my TNT2 before I buy a GeForce, assuming NVidia doesn't change its approach to third-party driver development
[03:18] <froust> kotiro: unless i'm missing something, it was really really really simple
[03:18] <skreet> if you install an ubuntu kernel then it'll be in grub.
[03:18] <daniels> Ex-Cyber: er, weird
[03:18] <knghtbrd> Ex-Cyber: I was coding 3D software at the time.
[03:19] <kotiro> this is hte first time ive used grub as well...so its a learning process
[03:20] <knghtbrd> Ex-Cyber: free software supporting indignation lasted as long as my hope that PI would actually fix the problem and I'd be able to use my hardware.  After 6 months, it was clear they didn't care anymore because ATI stopped paying them to care.
[03:20] <kotiro> so i just install the new kernel..switch to grub..and tell it to use the new kernel and not the old?
[03:20] <mebaran> it will automatically default to the new one
[03:20] <kotiro> excellent
[03:20] <kotiro> fingers crossed..and brb
[03:21] <mebaran> Ex-Cyber: is ATI any better at driver devel in that regard
[03:21] <skreet> ATI's linux support is crappy
[03:22] <mebaran> the nvidia drivers work and there is probably some IP in their drivers that needs to be protected
[03:22] <skreet> nVidia's software works rather
[03:22] <mebaran> nvidia is great under Linux
[03:22] <mebaran> I must admit
[03:22] <skreet> No complaints here.
[03:22] <mebaran> it was easier to get the nvidia driver to work under linux than the ATI driver under windows
[03:22] <skreet> 6800GT/MX4000
[03:22] <Ex-Cyber> I'm generally satisfied with the performance of the DRI Project Radeon driver
[03:22] <mebaran> skreet: 6800 vanilla
[03:22] <skreet> Never had a problem with ATI in Windows
[03:22] <mebaran> no GT
[03:22] <mebaran> it made me sad
[03:22] <mebaran> I lost those 4 extra pipes
[03:23] <skreet> Haha.
[03:23] <skreet> :D
[03:23] <skreet> You probably saved 100$ though
[03:23] <skreet> As I ask myself, was it really worth it?
[03:23] <mjr> insert standard whining about how they can keep their bloody ip if they'd just give out the card specs so that even a crappy free driver would be possible
[03:23] <mebaran> ATI in windows esp with beta drivers sometimes was very very very unstable
[03:23] <bob2> amen.
[03:23] <skreet> Unstable with BETA drivers?
[03:23] <skreet> Are you serious?
[03:23] <mjr> Ex-Cyber, me too
[03:23] <skreet> ...:D
[03:24] <skreet> I have a 9800 Pro
[03:24] <skreet> Lovet hat card, but I wanted linux support
[03:24] <skreet> No problem with closed-source drivers
[03:24] <mebaran> skreet: I know
[03:24] <mebaran> skreet: but the nvidia beta drivers at least booted
[03:24] <mebaran> sometimes ATI would force me to have to get out my rescue CD
[03:24] <mebaran> on new releases
[03:25] <Ex-Cyber> mjr: it's worse than that, Nvidia apparently won't even give Xi Graphics the time of day, so s/free driver/driver from anyone other than NVidia
[03:25] <mebaran> my motherboard might have been weird though
[03:25] <Ex-Cyber> but anyway
[03:25] <mebaran> at least Nvidia makes a Linux driver
[03:25] <wastrel> hello
[03:25] <mebaran> I cant say that much for my canon printer
[03:25] <mebaran> which is the best paperweight ever
[03:25] <mebaran> no papers get from under that baby
[03:26] <mebaran> but none get printed either :(
[03:26] <mebaran> gimp-print prints but it prints every at a scale of like 1/4
[03:26] <wastrel> omg!
[03:26] <Ex-Cyber> but anyway, I'm still in the twilight zone here
[03:26] <wastrel> i have the same problem
[03:26] <mebaran> I am still trying to figure out why
[03:26] <wastrel> h8n
[03:26] <mebaran> i950
[03:26] <wastrel> if you find out let me know
[03:26] <froust> okay
[03:26] <mebaran> not technically supported
[03:26] <froust> i instlaled mplayer
[03:26] <froust> and it won't play this damn video
[03:27] <froust> wtf?
[03:27] <knghtbrd> skreet: ATI's drivers are historically known for being bad under any OS  ;)
[03:27] <mebaran> wastrel: it runs pretty well under the s800 gimp-print setup
[03:27] <Ex-Cyber> someone reported an apparently similar problem on the forums, but it's unresolved
[03:27] <froust> bah! wrong window
[03:27] <knghtbrd> skreet: The only OS they're known to work well is MacOS X, and only because Apple wrote those drivers.
[03:27] <mebaran> wastrel: could it be a gimp-print bug
[03:27] <mebaran> ?
[03:28] <wastrel> i dunno
[03:28] <wastrel> i got sick of messing with it
[03:28] <mebaran> me too
[03:28] <mebaran> I wasted a ream of paper
[03:28] <mebaran> lets print the test page again
[03:28] <mebaran> the hack I got around by specifying huge paper sizes
[03:28] <mebaran> but then the quality sort of took a poor turn
[03:28] <mebaran> and everything look messed up in openoffice
[03:30] <mebaran> going to switch to Epson one day
[03:30] <cmr> is there a way to make my home dir show on my gnome desktop?
[03:31] <mebaran> cmr: you could make shortcut
[03:32] <cmr> mebaran, i just found i can turn it on with gconf-editor
[03:33] <mebaran> oh really
[03:33] <mebaran> cool
[03:33] <mebaran> I never knew
[03:33] <mebaran> I would like that
[03:33] <mebaran> what option
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl> how can i disable ipv6... ?
[03:38] <ZzeCoOl> i have name resolve problem
[03:38] <ZzeCoOl> slow....
[03:38] <thread> I accidentally upgraded to hoary... and I'm wondering how to roll back to warty
[03:38] <thread> is that easy to do?
[03:38] <knghtbrd> accidentally?
[03:39] <thread> well, on purpose.. but now I realize I really didn't want to do that at all
[03:39] <heliolith> hello all! Q: anyone succesfully automounting an internal ntfs Win XP HD in Ubuntu by altering fstab file?  I can't get it quite right... I demoted the Windows drive to hdb but /dev/hdb       /mnt/windows    ntfs    noatime,defaults,users,ro,umask=0 0 0 doesn't seem to work
[03:39] <knghtbrd> hehe
[03:39] <knghtbrd> thread: that's hard to undo.
[03:39] <thread> knghtbrd: damn... and we lost synaptic.. and .. it's bad
[03:39] <thread> knghtbrd: I guess the best bet is to just reinstall?
[03:39] <jdub> thread: reinstall.
[03:39] <thread> damn, okay.
[03:39] <thread> thanks guys
[03:39] <jdub> there's no sane way to downgrade
[03:40] <knghtbrd> thread: if you have /home on a seperate partition it can be less insane
[03:41] <knghtbrd> thread: you can backup certain bits of configuration (dpkg --get-selections for example)
[03:41] <thread> knghtbrd: what configuration?
[03:41] <thread> I have a sources.list
[03:41] <thread> that my friend uses who is more ubuntu-smart than me
[03:42] <thread> we're just going to reinstall, copy the sources.list down, and go from there
[03:42] <wastrel> anybody know why i get more as my pager when i get a long list in tab complete, when all my pager prefs are set to less?
[03:42] <knghtbrd> thread: dpkg --get-selections spits out the list of installed packages
[03:42] <thread> shouldn't be that big of a deal since it's a relatively fresh install
[03:42] <thread> ah
[03:42] <knghtbrd> thread: you can also back up bits of /etc you know you modified
[03:42] <thread> knghtbrd: the beauty is that the install is barely customized. it's not a big deal at all
[03:42] <thread> thanks again
[03:43] <heliolith> does anyone access windows formatted ntfs drive from Ubuntu that could explain to me how to do so?
[03:45] <srid> what is the name of package for 'spe' python editor??
[03:45] <srid> apt-cache search didn't help
[03:46] <Riddell> srid: you can search on packages.debian.org
[03:46] <bob2> that searches the same database as apt-cache.
[03:48] <knghtbrd> heh
[03:48] <srid> yeah ... looks like 'spe' is missing in Ubuntu!! .. it's available in debian though
[03:49] <Ex-Cyber> maybe it was packaged after the snapshot?
[03:49] <froust> can anyone tlel me how to get wmv's to play in mplayer (installing the right plugin*
[03:51] <blair> I am having problems with a USB card reader, can anyone help me?
[03:53] <blair> anyone?
[03:56] <Jikkle> i have guarddog, and it only lets me do its setup whhen signed in as root. How do I get around this?
[04:01] <bob2> run it with sudo
[04:01] <bob2> it obviously needs root priveleges to modify netfilter settings
[04:02] <mebaran> I think you have to recompile the kernel to get ntfs support
[04:02] <mebaran> those drivers might not be automatically built
[04:03] <bob2> no you don't
[04:08] <mebaran> bob2: the ntfs drivers are prebuilt
[04:08] <mebaran> cool
[04:08] <mebaran> they never were in the debian kernels
[04:09] <bob2> yes they were
[04:13] <mebaran> bob2: really?
[04:13] <bob2> yes
[04:13] <mebaran> damn I could have saved myself a lot of time
[04:13] <mebaran> try first ask questions later
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> you do not need to recompile your kernel
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> in almost every situation
[04:14] <mebaran> yeah
[04:14] <mebaran> but it was good fun
[04:14] <mebaran> broke my system and I had to try to fix it
[04:14] <mebaran> but ohwell
[04:16] <usual> how can I delete entries in the gnome menus
[04:17] <maximaus> usual, right click on the item and choose to remove through the context menu.
[04:17] <stuNNed_> does ubuntu's hoary 2.6.10 kernel have alan cox's patches?
[04:18] <usual> maximaus, doesn't give that option
[04:18] <usual> hoary btw
[04:18] <crimsun> stuNNed_: bits and pieces of -ac are in
[04:18] <maximaus> hmm, works with warty. :/
[04:18] <stuNNed_> crimsun, nice, thanks
[04:19] <maximaus> usual, little off topic, but perhaps helpful: have you tried the gnome panel applet "quick-lounge"? It allows you to create a custom drop down menu like MS quicklaunch.
[04:20] <usual> maximaus, my issue is I was forced to install k3b in order to have a decent burning application and the KDE apps made menu entries in gnome that are imho annoying, I would like to remove them
[04:21] <maximaus> usual: try opening up nautilus to "applications:///" and removing them there.
[04:21] <maximaus> worth a shot.
[04:21] <usual> maximaus, doesn't work in hoary either :(
[04:22] <wastrel> never heard of quicklaunch
[04:22] <maximaus> "quick-lounge"
[04:22] <maximaus> it's a very simple applet
[04:23] <maximaus> not installed by default, but it lets you put a lot of launchers on the panel in a drop down menu.
[04:23] <wastrel> it's like a drawer
[04:25] <maximaus> yeah and depending on how close the other applets are it resizes itself to fit.
[04:25] <crypticreign> ubuntu has the nicest gnome setup ive seen
[04:25] <maximaus> crypticreign, I agree, though I always remove one of the panels.
[04:26] <maximaus> no desktop icons = win
[04:26] <crypticreign> ah, i like both on my laptop.. for my desktop i like one
[04:26] <usual> crypticreign, sup holmes
[04:26] <maximaus> I just don't have enough stuff going on to need both LOL
[04:27] <crypticreign> usual: yo :)
[04:27] <usual> me and crypticreign go back like potato and ham
[04:29] <crypticreign> usual: sure we do haha
[04:29] <usual> hehe
[04:30] <wastrel> <3 quick lounge
[04:31] <wastrel> i have a ton of crap crammed into one panel
[04:34] <Kotiro> did anyone get gdesklets to work?
[04:36] <wastrel> anyone happen to know why i get 'more' as my pager when i get a long list in tab complete, when i have my PAGER set to 'less' in /etc/alternatives and in my $PAGER environment variable?
[04:38] <wastrel> maximaus: thanks for the tip about quick lounge it's useful ;] 
[04:39] <maximaus> glad you like it. :D
[04:47] <Neo_654> <Noob question alert>  Firefox disableIpv6 setting keeps going back to false.  Any idea why?
[04:47] <wastrel> you made the change while firefox was open and when you closed firefox it rewrote the config file
[04:48] <wastrel> (guess)
[04:48] <Neo_654> I first made the changes in gedit and it didn't seem to take so then did it in about:config and like you said when you reopen it it doesn't stick.
[04:50] <monkey89> sweet... audacity+gtk2 working
[04:50] <wastrel> what's audacity?
[04:50] <monkey89> audio recorder/editor
[04:55] <zenwhen> why was the k3b article removed from the wiki?
[04:55] <heliolith> eep; struggling for a long time now trying to get ubuntu to mount my slave HD ntfs windows formatted drive...  edited fstab and mtab a bajillion times now; can anyone give me counsel please?  (=
[04:59] <Neo_654> helio: Let me see if I can find the page in the forums that worked for me.
[04:59] <DigitalStatic> Helio, what line do you have set up for it?
[04:59] <heliolith> does anyone have any experience mounting ntfs drives in ubuntu? have a suggestion as to a forum I could scour?  I can see the drive's conents when I run nautilus vfrom root
[05:00] <heliolith> thanks neo... digitalstatic: checking to paste... sec
[05:00] <maximaus> heliolith, just edit your fstab and the ntfs drive will mount on boot
[05:01] <heliolith> /dev/hdb1       /mnt/windows     ntfs    noatime,defaults,users,ro,umask=0 0 0
[05:01] <DigitalStatic> make the umask 0222
[05:01] <heliolith> that's the argument I have in the fstab atm; what about mtab? should I edit out changes?
[05:01] <DigitalStatic> /dev/hda1       /windows/c      ntfs    umask=0222 0 0 is the line I use
[05:01] <DigitalStatic> works just fine for me
[05:01] <maximaus> /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[05:01] <heliolith> digital: then it shows up on the desktop on boot?
[05:02] <maximaus> works for me
[05:02] <Neo_654> That looks very close to what worked for me.
[05:02] <DigitalStatic> it mounts and can access it
[05:02] <maximaus> heliolith, I just make a symlink to the desktop
[05:02] <DigitalStatic> I don't have icons on the destop
[05:02] <mindphasr> Any idea why I can not get video in totem but I can get audio?
[05:03] <maximaus> You can just drag it with the middle mouse button from whereever it mounted and choose "make link"
[05:03] <DigitalStatic> http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#automountntfs
[05:03] <maximaus> mindphasr, are you using stock totem?
[05:03] <heliolith> maximus: what's a symlink?  digitalstatic: I'm not attached to an icon, just want access... can I test these arguments without relogging right?  Thanksfor the link digital!
[05:03] <mindphasr> maximaus: I have tried both totem-gstreamer and totem-xine
[05:04] <DigitalStatic> to remount fstab w/0 reboot do sudo mount -a
[05:04] <maximaus> heliolith, a symlink is just a file that points to something.
[05:04] <heliolith> hmm that's the same link I found myself; haven't got it working yet... what about mtab?  should I revert it to not contain any references to the windows drive?  I'm not clear as to what mtab or fstab do
[05:04] <heliolith> oh, like a shortcut
[05:04] <DigitalStatic> mindphasr: audio but no video often means that you do not have the proper codec
[05:04] <mindphasr> DigitalStatic: ahh
[05:05] <maximaus> heliolith, yeah, been so long since I used windows I forgot the term LOL
[05:05] <DigitalStatic> mindphasr: I use VideoLan, for both windows and linux, I love it
[05:05] <lightcap> is there any way to force a drive from /dev/hde to /dev/hda?  I just added a pci ide card that has swapped my /dev/hda (and of course I can't boot now)
[05:05] <mindphasr> I havent used videolan in years - ill check that out
[05:06] <DigitalStatic> heliolith: /dev/hdb1       /mnt/windows      ntfs    umask=0222 0 0 should be your line for read only access
[05:06] <maximaus> heliolith, for example I have a symlink in my home called "mp3" which is linked to /home/mp3 which is used by all users of my box.
[05:06] <maximaus> Changing "dev/hdb1" if necessary of course. ;)
[05:07] <DigitalStatic> minphasr: The version for debian is a little old but it seemed to work just fine form me
[05:07] <lightcap> my dvd-rom and CD-RW have also moved, which I'd prefer they don't
[05:07] <DigitalStatic> in his case it is /dev/hdb1
[05:07] <DigitalStatic> or at least that is the one he posted earlier
[05:07] <maximaus> I wasn't paying attention. :P
[05:07] <DigitalStatic> ;)
[05:08] <heliolith> so mtab should also contain a reference like fstab or no?
[05:08] <DigitalStatic> you should only have to edit fstab
[05:08] <heliolith> ok
[05:08] <lightcap> I think the PnP bios is superceding the normal bios setup of hda on primary master and hdb secondary
[05:09] <heliolith> when I try the sudo mount -a commant I get this error: root@salaam:/home/michael # sudo mount -a
[05:09] <heliolith> mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /mnt/windows busy
[05:10] <DigitalStatic> can you see any files if you cd to /mnt/windows
[05:10] <heliolith> I can browse the contents of the windows drive via root in the /media folder... is that normal?
[05:11] <heliolith> no i can see them at /media for some reason, though I have created no reference to that location I don't think
[05:11] <heliolith> what about the fstab~ file should I delete them or they're just backups?
[05:12] <maximaus> always a good idea to keep that as a backup
[05:12] <heliolith> err, now I CAN see the windows files in the /mnt/windows directory
[05:12] <DigitalStatic> heliolith: type mount and see if anything is mounted for /dev/hdb1
[05:13] <heliolith> root@salaam:/ # mount
[05:13] <heliolith> /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[05:13] <heliolith> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[05:13] <heliolith> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[05:13] <heliolith> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[05:13] <heliolith> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[05:13] <heliolith> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[05:13] <heliolith> root@salaam:/ #
[05:14] <DigitalStatic> heliolith:   run this  mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[05:15] <DigitalStatic> heliolith: and then run mount again to see if it shows up
[05:16] <lightcap> I suppose I could just reinstall, I did *just* install this box, and haven't done anything with it.
[05:16] <heliolith> when i ran the first command you gave me it gave me back a small lecture on mounting, but no confirmation of action taken... it doesn't show up via mount command either
[05:17] <heliolith> digitalstatic: when I type sudo mount -a it says "/dev/hdb1 already mounted or /mnt/windows busy
[05:19] <__learner__> I need some help. I want to re-install XP on my machine, but I know XP will write to the MBR and remove GRUB. Do you know what is the best way to put it back then?
[05:22] <heliolith> thanks for the help all; going to reboot now
[05:26] <Neo_654> hmm guess I wasn't fast enough to find that post
[05:27] <wastrel> is there a howto explaining suspend and sleep on laptop systems?
[05:27] <wastrel> for warty?
[05:27] <Neo_654> anyone familiar with capture-ntfs?
[05:28] <mjr> you mean captive
[05:28] <mjr> but no, not personally :)
[05:29] <Neo_654> yes captive
[05:29] <Neo_654> Look out google here I come!
[05:29] <sladen> wastrel: ACPI magic should be in Hoary.  You can help test it if you want (and fancy a ride)
[05:30] <wastrel> hoary eh.
[05:30] <LeeColleton> White or gray with age; hoar; as, hoary hairs.
[05:31] <LeeColleton> Hence, remote in time past; as, hoary antiquity.
[05:31] <Neo_654> How do you know if your warty or hoary?
[05:31] <LeeColleton> (Bot.) Covered with short, dense, grayish white hairs;  canescent.
[05:31] <wastrel> Neo_654: look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:32] <Neo_654> ok.
[05:32] <Neo_654> Thanks
[05:33] <Neo_654> Ok I see warty every where so I guess that is what it is.  Thanks again.
[05:34] <stuNNed_> hey all
[05:35] <stuNNed_> FINALLY modem working :D
[05:38] <wastrel> i registered for the ubuntu forums
[05:39] <maximaus> stuNNed, did you use pppconfig or something different?
[05:40] <heliolith> thanks so much to those who helped me earlier with my ntfs filesystem mounting problem: i'm happy to report that it is fixed;  one more Q: how do I make a symlink or shortcut to a folder within that HD, for example to /mnt/windows/Documents and Settings/Michael/Desktop?
[05:40] <Neo_654> heliolith did you get it?
[05:40] <heliolith> yes neo;; hours of frustration gave way to euphoria
[05:41] <Neo_654> Just when you signed off I found it.
[05:41] <stuNNed_> maximaus, no wvdial, it was an issue with acpi and the linuxant driver, using apm now and modem works great.
[05:41] <wastrel> <3 wvdial
[05:41] <wastrel> i should get my modem working
[05:42] <maximaus> I've always used pppconfig from the command line--you have to answer four questions and then tell modem-light applet to "pon provider" Easy stuff.
[05:42] <heliolith> neo: thanks for looking; i think I had it fixed but had run so many commands, my system stayed confused for a while
[05:42] <heliolith> maximaus: how can I make a symlink from say, my desktop to /mnt/windows/Documents and Settings/Michael/Desktop
[05:42] <heliolith> ?
[05:43] <wastrel> mine's a winmodem
[05:43] <Neo_654> Yea I had to redo mine a few times.
[05:43] <maximaus> heliolith, drag and drop with the middle mouse button (wheel)
[05:43] <wastrel> so i think it'll take a bit of work
[05:43] <maximaus> wastrel, if it's a conexant, they work easily
[05:44] <heliolith> someday I'll know my stuff and come back to help the other clueless newbies like me; though i'm not sure there are many as newbish lol
[05:44] <maximaus> just install the kernel-source and it will autobuild for you.
[05:44] <heliolith> Maximaus: you rock! thank you
[05:44] <maximaus> heliolith, took me a long time to find that shortcut.
[05:45] <maximaus> heliolith, you may want to look into installing a traditional two pane file manager for managing large amounts of stuff. I like Emelfm for those types of tasks.
[05:45] <maximaus> Usually I just use Nautilus of course. ;)
[05:46] <heliolith> maximaus: i'd have never found it! okies on the emelfm... do you have a default location you usually install programs to?  This is my first day on Linux.  Ever.
[05:46] <maximaus> programs will install to the proper place automatically
[05:46] <Scooter> anyone have sucess storie for new XFce 2.4 and Warty? it looks verry nice 8)
[05:47] <heliolith> maximaus: well, firefox for example I have installed to /home/michael/firefox-installer/firefox which doesn't intuitively seem correct
[05:48] <MacPlusG3> heliolith: what's wrong with the firefox that's shipped with ubuntu
[05:48] <maximaus> heliolith, that's pretty smart if not traditional, I do a similar thing: install a lot of stuff to /home/software.
[05:48] <heliolith> MacPlusG3 it was version .86 and I wanted version 1.0
[05:48] <daniels> HostingGeek: you are still banned -- it's just that you changed your name to get around it.
[05:48] <shadowplay> heliolith: stuff you install yourself usually goes into /opt (or your home dir if you're just testing)
[05:49] <MacPlusG3> also /usr/local is rather traditional.
[05:49] <HostingGeek> daniels: be nice
[05:49] <HostingGeek> daniels: i needed to get a problem fixed
[05:49] <maximaus> shadowplay's right--I just like to recycle stuff like Java for different installs so I keep some stuff in /home/* and symlink back to /usr/local/bin
[05:49] <heliolith> ok thanks all
[05:49] <wastrel> you can do /opt/
[05:49] <HostingGeek> daniels: i hear you know a lot about xorg you can help me
[05:49] <daniels> HostingGeek: it is past the upstream version freeze.  you don't get versions fixed by drive-by harassing developers.
[05:49] <wastrel> for extra sw.
[05:49] <dud> only kde stuff goes into /opt usually
[05:49] <daniels> HostingGeek: what with?
[05:50] <HostingGeek> xorg
[05:50] <HostingGeek> i'll talk in /msg
[05:50] <daniels> HostingGeek: (by the way, the message behind a ban is not 'change your name to get around it'.)
[05:50] <daniels> no, here is sfine.
[05:50] <dud> its more normal with /usr/bin and /usr/share/bin etc etc
[05:50] <daniels> and you'll need to be a great deal more specific than 'xorg'.
[05:51] <heliolith> I spend the first half of today trying to get Manrake to work; KDE was giving me all sorts of problems; i'm happy to have come to Ubuntu (=
[05:51] <shadowplay> dud: /usr/bin should be for distro-provided stuff.  /usr/local/bin for your own.  Ahdering to LFS that is.
[05:52] <HostingGeek> daniels: its more a bug report
[05:52] <HostingGeek> daniels: i'll cp here then
[05:53] <heliolith> maximaus: what about opening sub-folders in the same window, rather than a new one?  is there an easy way to change that preference?
 crimsun  help me last night
 ok there is no problem in xfree
 in xorg my max pixel range is 800x600 @ 54hz
 thats not even in the config file
[05:53] <maximaus> heliolith, try double clicking with the middle mouse button ;)
[05:53] <HostingGeek> my moniter is LG F770P
[05:53] <__learner__> how can I close X? So I can update my nvidia drivers. Doom III is performing really bad in my GF4TI4200.
[05:54] <HostingGeek> daniels: i'll pastebin error logs and config file
[05:54] <shadowplay> __learner__ : ctrl-alt-backspace (not delete!)
[05:54] <heliolith> maximaus: ty (= it's a wheel, but it still works
[05:54] <maximaus> heliolith, I've set my file manager to one button click so middle click replaces window, left opens new window.
[05:54] <maximaus> heliolith, yeah double clicking on the wheel is a bit wierd LOL
[05:54] <heliolith> maximaus: excellent; doing so now
[05:55] <shadowplay> __learner__ : if it comes back up, then you need to ctl-alt-f1 (to get a console), login, and sudo killall gdm
[05:55] <maximaus> heliolith, you can change the file manager to work in a more traditional manner with a menubar and forward back buttons or such, OR right click on a folder and choose "browse".
[05:55] <HostingGeek> daniels: xorg config http://pastebin.com/229840
[05:56] <shadowplay> maximaus : there's a preference setting also for "always browse folders".
[05:56] <heliolith> maximaus: ah, I get it =P
[05:56] <maximaus> shadowplay, did they move that preference out of gconf yet?
[05:57] <HostingGeek> daniels: /var/log/Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/229841
[05:57] <HostingGeek> daniels: you want /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old ?
[05:57] <daniels> not really, but output of sudo ddcprobe might be nice
[05:59] <__learner__> tx.
[06:00] <daniels> HostingGeek: put HorizSync 30-96 and VertRefresh 50-160 in /etc/X11/xorg.conf; known problem, will be fixed soon
[06:00] <HostingGeek> daniels: where
[06:00] <__learner__> I have a problem with sound. In lots of programs (including DOOMIII demo) the sound is bad, it looks like it's using a buffer that is too short I don't know. I just know the sound is chopping and jagging. Completely messed. Is there anyway to update sound drivers on linux? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
[06:00] <daniels> HostingGeek: monitor section
[06:01] <heliolith> What do people use for showing a jpeg slideshow in Linux?
[06:01] <shadowplay> maximaus : according to the Ubuntu FAQ it's Desktop Preferences -> file manager -> behavior.
[06:01] <HostingGeek> ok each on new line daniels ?
[06:01] <daniels> yes
[06:01] <Neo_654> heli, if you want Natilus to always open in the same window it is listed in the tip and tricks of the starter guide.
[06:01] <maximaus> thanks shadowplay, I'll pass that along (I happen to like the default behaviour)
[06:02] <jackmacokc> hi all, i'm having a problem with mounting an sata drive at bootup
[06:02] <shadowplay> maximaus : but i've gone back to using fluxbox... heh.
[06:02] <HostingGeek> daniels: HorizSync "30-96" ?
[06:03] <maximaus> Little too minimal for me--of course it's good to use flux when you have guests to get those extra geek points. :P ;)
[06:03] <daniels> horno ""
[06:03] <daniels> er
[06:03] <daniels> HostingGeek: no ""
[06:03] <HostingGeek> daniels: can we see a new shorewall package? its a mager bug there no new features in 2.0.15 so no need to backport it
[06:03] <HostingGeek> daniels: ok
[06:03] <wastrel> i like flux for my crappy old laptop
[06:03] <heliolith>  Neo: starter guide is found where?
[06:03] <shadowplay> speaking of which, how to get the Debian Apps menu to show in Gnome?
[06:03] <wastrel> ubuntuguide.org
[06:04] <bob2> HostingGeek: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/shorewall/shorewall_2.0.14-1/changelog
[06:04] <Neo_654> http://ubuntuguide.org/#openfoldersamewindownautilus
[06:04] <bj_> hey quick question
[06:04] <heliolith> gotta go help 2-y-old to sleep; later ALL be back later! thanks all
[06:04] <HostingGeek> bob2: umm the latest in unstable is 2.0.15 according to http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all&keywords=shorewall&sourceid=mozilla-search
[06:04] <daniels> HostingGeek: shorewall is in universe, and it's well past the upstream version freeze
[06:04] <techn9ne> where can i get a list of games available for ubuntu via apt-get ?
[06:05] <bj_> whats the next resolution up from 1024x768
[06:05] <techn9ne> or just find some games to play
[06:05] <techn9ne> ( free ones )
[06:05] <maximaus> techn9ne,  open up synaptic and look ;)
[06:05] <HostingGeek> daniels: but someone might use and firewall off lo even and have there system unreachble
[06:05] <maximaus> tell it to sort by "sections"
[06:05] <daniels> HostingGeek: 'don't do that'
[06:06] <jackmacokc> anyone know much about mounting sata drives?
[06:06] <mkerby> This isn't really a Ubuntu question but I don't know where else to ask it. (Stupid Newbie Question Alert)
[06:06] <maximaus> techn9ne, I like GLtron Foobillard and kobodl -- but I'm not a gamer and you might laugh at such games. :P
[06:06] <mkerby> I've downloaded the Doom 3 demo for my husband. How do I set it up?
[06:06] <HostingGeek> bob2: this is really strang that page says the latest verion is 2.0.15
[06:06] <maximaus> mkerby, no I haven't seen your wallet.
[06:07] <wastrel> mkerby: what is the filename of the demo?
[06:07] <shadowplay> techn9ne : I had much better luck with games using gentoo... which is to say they have a lot of free games and demos in their ports collection.  For Ubuntu, even with multiverse, I didn't see much in apt (no UT2004, for example).  You'll problably have to get the software out-of-distro.
[06:08] <techn9ne> umm i dont mean like super crazy 3d games
[06:08] <techn9ne> i just mean something a bit better than the games included by default
[06:08] <__learner__> can you tell me/point to a page what is the main differences between ALSA and OSS? And wich one is better?
[06:08] <wastrel> techn9ne: moon-buggy and robotfindskitten are favorites of mine
[06:08] <mkerby> doom3-linux-1.1.1286-demo.x86.run
[06:09] <wastrel> mkerby: it's probably a self-extracting bash script
[06:09] <shadowplay> __learner__ : check the linux sound HOWTO at tldp.org
[06:09] <maximaus> techn9ne, there's quite a few listed in Synaptic if you add Universe. Not real fancy ones but certainly fun.
[06:09] <bob2> __learner__: ALSA is intended to replace OSS
[06:09] <__learner__> tx
[06:09] <__learner__> now I understand.
[06:09] <techn9ne> nah if i wanted the latest fancy 3d games id use windows
[06:09] <wastrel> mkerby: probably just want to run   sudo sh <filename>
[06:10] <__learner__> but in today's stage, is alsa really better, or is just the same, like X11 and XORG?
[06:10] <shadowplay> __learner__ : and what bob2 said... ALSA is in  the 2.6 kernel
[06:10] <__learner__> understood
[06:11] <mkerby> Pardon. I inadvertantly closed xchat
[06:11] <mkerby> wastrel, what was the command again?
[06:11] <wastrel> mkerby:  sudo sh <filename>
[06:11] <wastrel> should do it.
[06:11] <maximaus> techn9ne, I'm especially taken by foobillard, it's a neat 3d billiards game.
[06:12] <techn9ne> maximaus: cool ill try it out
[06:12] <wastrel> nethack's a good game :] 
[06:12] <Lovechild> nethack is the superior game..
[06:12] <shadowplay> __learner__ : i've had better results with alsa for both 2.4 and 2.6, but it really depends on your sound card.  IIRC, alsa has emulation mode for OSS drivers (but check the HOWTO, I haven't changed my sound settings in ages)
[06:13] <shadowplay> Lovechild : I got hooked on a variant last year.  Had to go to a nethack 12-step program :-P
[06:13] <mkerby> I'm trying to sell my husband on Linux. Good games help a lot :)
[06:13] <wastrel> which variant?
[06:14] <thully> Does anyone have a clue why currently, KDE's fonts have a weird colored tint on my laptop LCD, while GNOME's look fine?
[06:14] <techn9ne> i was playing battle for wesnoth today
[06:14] <techn9ne> that was cool
[06:14] <shadowplay> wastrel : i think it was adom
[06:14] <mkerby> wastrel, I think it's working. Thanks!
[06:14] <Lovechild> shadowplay, I tried nethack once then deleted it.. of course my session lasted 12 hours straight, figured it was for my own good
[06:14] <wastrel> np
[06:15] <__learner__> got it.
[06:16] <shadowplay> thully : check the anti-aliasing settings.
[06:16] <thully> the KDE antialiasing settings?  in gnome this works fine as I said.
[06:17] <Neo_654> I've just followed the Tweaking Ubuntu after your first installation guide on installing basic development tools.  Now where do I find them at?
[06:17] <daniels> thully: yes, but qt uses freetype directly iirc, as opposed to through fontconfig
[06:17] <shadowplay> Lovechild : yep.  Amazing how adictive it is to run around as an @ sign.
[06:17] <Lovechild> shadowplay, it's many years ago though.. but yes, very addictive
[06:17] <Guardiann> :)
[06:17] <thully> I see - so you have to configure KDE manually for antialiasing.
[06:18] <Lovechild> shadowplay, did you see there's a 3d version now
[06:18] <shadowplay> thully : use the kde control center.  There's a setting inthere somewhere.
[06:19] <shadowplay> Lovechild : a front-end you mean?  I've tried it, but it was tiresome.  Went back to playing it on the console.
[06:19] <thully> OK - that answers my question somewhat
[06:20] <Lovechild> shadowplay, Falcon's Eye or something, it looks quite nice
[06:20] <shadowplay> Lovechild : yep.
[06:20] <wastrel> falcon's eye stopped development iirc
[06:20] <thully> does fontconfig automatically determine the specific type of subpixel rendering to use in it's latest version
[06:21] <devscott> I'm having trouble with ubuntu and detecting a hp dvd writer I just installed, wondering if someone could help me
[06:21] <Grev> is anyone else having troubles with DVD and running mplayer in hoary
[06:22] <devscott> it's listed has /dev/hdc and is found in device manager but I can't get it to be seen in fstab so I can't mount anything
[06:22] <techn9ne> devscott: usb or ide?
[06:22] <devscott> ide
[06:22] <devscott> techn9ne: ide
[06:22] <Scooter> I have to run Enemy Terratory game as SUDO to make it work, Is this a bad idea?
[06:23] <LinkMasterSab> Hey. I need some help setting up my modem with Ubuntu.
[06:24] <maximaus> LinkMasterSab, is it a 56k modem?
[06:25] <LinkMasterSab> Yes
[06:25] <thully> is it a winmodem, or hardware-based
[06:25] <LinkMasterSab> Ubuntu seems to detect it and configure it
[06:25] <LinkMasterSab> I have no idea, I wish I could tell you
[06:25] <thully> do you just need to set up your ISP connection?
[06:25] <maximaus> at the commandline: sudo pppconfig
[06:25] <LinkMasterSab> thully: Yes
[06:26] <LinkMasterSab> Thanks maxi, I'll write that down.
[06:26] <thully> yes - pppconfig rules all for PPP configuration
[06:26] <drspin> thully: I agre
[06:26] <drspin> e
[06:26] <LinkMasterSab> I'm using XP at the moment
[06:26] <Grev> which would people suggest warty or hoary?
[06:26] <LinkMasterSab> I'm a Linux newbie, I just downloaded Ubuntu over the weekend
[06:26] <wastrel> warth\y\
[06:26] <maximaus> After setup, add the modem-lights applet to the panel to use to connect with.
[06:26] <techn9ne> warty is more stable
[06:26] <wastrel> warty, even
[06:27] <LinkMasterSab> Alright
[06:27] <maximaus> tell it to "pon providername" or "poff providername"
[06:27] <thully> hoary is a bit unstable - I would suggest using warty unless you really need a new feature from hoary - there is an Ubuntu backports site where you can get Firefox 1.0 and the like
[06:28] <Grev> thully
[06:28] <LinkMasterSab> Man, if the new distro comes out soon, I'm gonna have to download all weekend again, yay
[06:28] <Grev> I'm using hoary but multimedia is not working well, but need hoary for toshiba kernel extension
[06:29] <Grev> probably will switch to warty and recompile my kernel
[06:29] <maximaus> thully's on the mark--the backports site makes hoary unnecessary for most users right now.
[06:29] <bob2> Grev: er, you can use the hoary kernels on warty
[06:29] <Grev> bob2: really?
[06:29] <bob2> using backports isn't such a hot idea either
[06:29] <thully> yes - if you need something in hoary use it, otherwise stick with hoary unless you want to live on the edge and can deal with broken stuff
[06:29] <thully> warty
[06:29] <LinkMasterSab> thully: In other words, if you're the kind of person who gets the nightly builds of Firefox and such
[06:29] <Grev> bob2: just dpkg the hoary kernel?
[06:30] <techn9ne> you can use the backport project
[06:30] <techn9ne> and get the best of both worlds
[06:30] <thully> yes - then, hoary is for you
[06:30] <bob2> Grev: yes
[06:30] <LinkMasterSab> Right, I'm not one of those people
[06:30] <bob2> except the backports aren't very well managed
[06:30] <Grev> bob2: thanks
[06:30] <LinkMasterSab> Besides, it takes hours upon hours to get the distro
[06:31] <maximaus> I don't see the danger in using the backports of, say, Gimp or Xchat.
[06:31] <maximaus> but perhaps I'm missing something?
[06:31] <devscott> I'm having trouble with ubuntu and detecting a hp dvd writer (ide )I just installed, wondering if someone could help me. it's listed has /dev/hdc and is found in device manager but I can't get it to be seen in fstab so I can't mount anything
[06:31] <techn9ne> ive had no problems w/ the backports yet
[06:32] <thully> BTW - does anyone know a good way to get software suspend on Warty without kernel recompile?
[06:32] <techn9ne> whereas i pinned the firefox from hoary and crashed my entire system
[06:32] <bob2> thully: er, download a kernel image with it enabled?
[06:32] <bob2> pinning is the worst of all worlds
[06:32] <LinkMasterSab> Can anyone give me any tips as a new user of Linux?
[06:33] <thully> there isn't one in warty
[06:33] <thully> and the one in PMTesting is broken for me
[06:33] <bob2> thully: read what I said to Grev
[06:33] <techn9ne> bob2: things get compiled against certain libraries and aren't always compabitable
[06:33] <bob2> thully: did you report it as broken?
[06:33] <thully> yes - it's fixed in hoary
[06:33] <bob2> techn9ne: dependencies are supposed to take care of that
[06:33] <techn9ne> i read in the forums of at least 5 other ppl that wiped their system pinning firefox
[06:33] <bob2> thully: then use the hoary kernel
[06:33] <bob2> forum users are not typical
[06:33] <wastrel> thully: software suspend is something i'm looking to do - got any pointers?
[06:34] <techn9ne> typical?
[06:34] <thully> how can you do that without the consequences mixing hoary/warty normally causes
[06:34] <techn9ne> typical of what?
[06:34] <bob2> thully: dude, it's a kernel
[06:34] <bob2> wastrel: get the hoary 2.6.10 kernels
[06:34] <wastrel> k
[06:35] <LinkMasterSab> Err, any tips at all :(
[06:35] <lexhider> anyone know how to burn bin/cue images or howto convert them to iso?
[06:35] <thully> do you add hoary to the sources.list and pin just those packages (pinning the rest of hoary very low)
[06:35] <bob2> thully: no
[06:35] <bob2> lexhider: bchunk, in universe
[06:35] <bob2> LinkMasterSab: throwing random tips at you doesn't seem all that useful...
[06:35] <thully> what do you do then
[06:35] <bob2> thully: download the approriate .deb
[06:36] <LinkMasterSab> Well, sites I should read maybe?
[06:36] <thully> OK
[06:36] <bob2> LinkMasterSab: ubuntulinux.org has lots of howtos and faqs and such
[06:36] <lexhider> bob2: installing now, thanx.
[06:36] <mkerby1> Another stupid question
[06:36] <LinkMasterSab> Fair enough
[06:36] <wastrel> bob2 you're the answer man :] 
[06:37] <mkerby1> I've got to add some files from the Doom 3 cd to the demo file.
[06:37] <mkerby1> How do I convince it to let me write to it?
[06:37] <thully> what does the version of freetype in Ubuntu (hoary) do that the one in debian doesn't?
[06:42] <LinkMasterSab> I hope this works
[06:43] <wastrel> mkerby1: i'm not sure what you mean?  you need to append these files to the installer ?
[06:43] <LinkMasterSab> Depending on if it does, the next time you'll see me will either be on Ubuntu or XP
[06:43] <bob2> LinkMasterSab: are you having a specific problem?
[06:43] <Grev> bob2: what deb files will the kernel need? linux, linux-image and what else?
[06:43] <mkerby1> They're patches from the cd (I think)
[06:44] <bob2> Grev: linux-image-2.6.10-1-386 or so
[06:44] <mkerby1> A how-to I found on the web says to copy these files to the demo/base file. When I try to do this, I get an error message saying I don't have permission to do it.
[06:45] <wastrel> mkerby1: can you show us the command you're trying to run?
[06:45] <eyequeue> how do i configure a different handler for a mime type?
[06:45] <LinkMasterSab> bob2: It's just getting my modem working
[06:45] <LinkMasterSab> Someone's told me how to do it
[06:45] <LinkMasterSab> So I'll be going to do that now
[06:45] <LinkMasterSab> Later.
[06:45] <eyequeue> specifically xine rather than totem, for avi, since totem *always* fails in warty here
[06:46] <eyequeue> unless someone knows a totem-fix? :)
[06:46] <mkerby1> wastrel, I wasn't trying to run a command. I don't know which one to run.
[06:46] <stuNNed> eyequeue, i've had issues with totem but when it works it's brilliant imho
[06:46] <lexhider> bob2: looks to be the answer with bchunk, I think k3b might also handle bin/cue file, thanks mate, bye.
[06:47] <mkerby1> I just opened up the cd, opened up the /demo file, then tried to create a /base file there to put the cd files into.
[06:47] <eyequeue> stuNNed: how do you get it to do anything other than refuse to load the file, be it in /tmp or in $HOME, it just refuses here
[06:47] <wastrel> i'm having a problem with my PAGER, i have it set to less in /etc/alternatives and in my PAGER environment variable, but when i tab-complete in bash it uses "more", how do i fix this?
[06:47] <stuNNed> eyequeue, what's the error?
[06:47] <mkerby1> It wouldn't let me write to it.
[06:47] <wastrel> mkerby1: what are you doing when you get the permissions error?
[06:47] <eyequeue> stuNNed: it says it can't open it, with some unknown error, paraphrased
[06:47] <stuNNed> eyequeue, did you install totem-xine (silly ques:)
[06:47] <mkerby1> wastrel, trying to create the /base file in the doom3/demo file.
[06:48] <wastrel> mkerby1: you can't make changes to files on a CD
[06:48] <wastrel> mkerby1: it's read-only
[06:48] <stuNNed> eyequeue, and did you install nonfree binary codecs?
[06:48] <HostingGeek> bob2: lo doesn't start auto on my server any way to make it start up?
[06:48] <bob2> HostingGeek: your Debian misconfigurations are off-topic here.
[06:48] <bob2> HostingGeek: and fix /etc/network/interfaces.
[06:48] <mkerby1> wastrel, I'm not trying to write to the cd. I'm trying to write to the /doom3 file on the computer
[06:48] <eyequeue> stuNNed: no, i'm using the default as shipped
[06:49] <HostingGeek> bob2: ooops i forgot i am not in #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:49] <wastrel> mkerby1: in that case it's because you need superuser to edit that - because you installed with the su command
[06:49] <stuNNed> eyequeue, might want to install totem-xine then add marillat's repository (not supported by ubuntu) and add w32codecs
[06:49] <murciano> hi there guys :-)
[06:49] <stuNNed> hi murciano
[06:50] <mkerby1> wastrel, nuts. How do I get the superuser?
[06:50] <Grev> bob2: where can I download the hoary kernel?
[06:50] <eyequeue> stuNNed: "Totem could not play 'file:///tmp/video-01-1.avi'. \ Failed to open; reason unknown"
[06:50] <eyequeue> stuNNed: but it can't find any files, no matter what format?
[06:50] <murciano> anybody has tried qemu under ubuntu?
[06:50] <wastrel> mkerby1: typically from the command line ...  do you know how to copy files from the command line?
[06:50] <eyequeue> how do i make /usr/bin/xine the default for those formats that i *know* it can handle, via experience?
[06:51] <stuNNed> eyequeue, you're trying to play proprietary nonfree formats so you need the packages installed that support that.
[06:51] <stuNNed> eyequeue, or use xine i guess, or something else
[06:52] <murciano> join #bulma
[06:52] <bob2> Grev: archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/, in one of the linux-* dirs
[06:52] <stuNNed> eyequeue, one sec
[06:53] <bob2> I can't actually get onto the site to find it directly
[06:53] <stuNNed> eyequeue, see this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:53] <bob2> oh, I suck:  pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-image-2.6.10-2-386_2.6.10-8_i386.deb
[06:53] <mkerby1> wastrel, 'fraid I don't.
[06:54] <eyequeue> stuNNed: hang on, i'm getting totem-xime via dselect, since it causes synaptic to crash :((
[06:55] <wastrel> mkerby1:  sudo cp file destination
[06:55] <eyequeue> stuNNed: okay, totem-xine behaves :)
[06:55] <stuNNed> eyequeue, did you enable the repo in synaptic?  maybe that's why? i dunno i don't use synaptic, only apt :)
[06:56] <stuNNed> eyequeue, that restricted formats doc is quite helpful if you wish to play those type of formats, ugh :)
[06:56] <eyequeue> stuNNed: yeah, i did a seach for totem in snynaptic, it found totem-xine, and i told it to mark it for installation ... when i said it's okay to remove tote-gstreamer (though i don't know if i like that or not) poof, it crashes, heh
[06:57] <eyequeue> stuNNed: well, avi seems to play without any restricted things here
[06:57] <embsupafly> Hi all, I have a problem with sound. One day it stopped working in X, it still works in the console (system bell) but I can not get any sound to play in X
[06:57] <stuNNed> ah ok then, eyequeue
[06:57] <bob2> avi is a container, not a video codec
[06:59] <stuNNed> bob2, so avi can be anything pretty much?  if so, that's not good, bad security, no?
[06:59] <bob2> hrm?
[06:59] <bob2> only if your video decompressor is exploitable
[07:00] <bob2> er, by container I mean "AV container", it can't contain like random setuid binaries or anything ;)
[07:00] <stuNNed> ah ok then :)
[07:01] <mkerby1> wastrel, I tried. It said "omitting directory doom3-demo
[07:03] <embsupafly> Hi all, I have a problem with sound. One day it stopped working in X, it still works in the console (system bell) but I can not get any sound to play in X
[07:03] <wastrel> mkerby1: ah yes.  to cp a directory use the -r  (recursive) flag.
[07:03] <wastrel> mkerby1: sudo cp -r file destination
[07:06] <mkerby1> wastrel, I did that, but I still can't write to the thing :(
[07:08] <stuNNed> does ubuntu have sysv init?
[07:09] <wastrel> permissions error again?
[07:09] <__learner__> are ubuntu repositories down?
[07:09] <mkerby1> wastrel, yep
[07:09] <__learner__> because I try to install linux-k7 and synaptic tells me it coundnt download some of the packages.
[07:10] <__learner__> and shows an 404 error message
[07:10] <randabis> hmm
[07:10] <randabis> I did a dist-upgrade not too long ago _learner_, I don't think they are down
[07:10] <wastrel> mkerby1: and you were using sudo?
[07:10] <embsupafly> Hi all, I have a problem with sound. One day it stopped working in X, it still works in the console (system bell) but I can not get any sound to play in X
[07:11] <wastrel> embsupafly: what sound card do you have?
[07:11] <embsupafly> its in a Dell Laptop Inspiron 5150
[07:12] <mkerby1> wastrel, yes
[07:12] <embsupafly> It worked about a week ago in X, then stopped, it still works in windows
[07:12] <randabis> emb are you running warty or hoary?
[07:12] <embsupafly> running ubuntu 4.10
[07:12] <randabis> k
[07:13] <wastrel> mkerby1: i don't know... is the destination directory writable/
[07:13] <embsupafly> isnt warty a debian release
[07:13] <wastrel> warty is ubuntu
[07:13] <__learner__> it said it can't get image-linux-something. But offered to proceed without it. Should I go?
[07:13] <randabis> 4.10 = warty
[07:13] <wastrel> debian is woody
[07:13] <randabis> learner I wouldn't
[07:13] <embsupafly> ok
[07:14] <mkerby1> wastrel, which directories are writable and which aren't? (Forgive the stupid question.)
[07:14] <embsupafly> Is warty the latest release
[07:14] <wastrel> mkerby1: it depends on the permissions
[07:14] <wastrel> mkerby1: ls -ld directory to see the perms
[07:15] <wastrel> drwxrwxrwx
[07:15] <wastrel> that's perms
[07:15] <randabis> heh I did a complete reinstall and upgraded back to hoary...doom3 still doesn't work :p
[07:15] <wastrel> r= read w=write x=execute
[07:15] <embsupafly> any idea on the sound problem?
[07:15] <randabis> gotta be something with hoary...I think it still works in warty
[07:15] <wastrel> embsupafly: look for your soundcard in lspci
[07:16] <mkerby1> wastrel, What does 3 root mean? How do I change permissions?
[07:16] <HostingGeek> crimsun: just to note on xfree my moni is doing 1600x1200 @ 76Hz
[07:16] <wastrel> mkerby1: root is the owner and 3 is the number of links to the directory (that's sortof complicated...)
[07:17] <embsupafly> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)
[07:17] <wastrel> mkerby1: what are the permissions though?
[07:17] <wastrel> ac97 should work in warty
[07:17] <embsupafly> It used to about a week ago
[07:17] <mkerby1> reads like this: drwxrwsr-x    3 root     staff        4096 2005-01-16 23:15
[07:18] <embsupafly> it works in a console, just not in X
[07:18] <wastrel> mkerby1: superuser should be able to write to that
[07:18] <embsupafly> stopped working in X about a week ago
[07:18] <James> I'm having a problem installing ubuntu on a sata drive
[07:18] <wastrel> mkerby1: so it's probably not a permissions issue...
[07:18] <James> apparently it's something to do with the mbr I think since grub never comes up
[07:18] <wastrel> embsupafly: what kernel are you using?
[07:19] <mkerby1> wastrel, what is it?
[07:19] <wastrel> mkerby1: i dunno... what's the command you're using
[07:19] <embsupafly> 2.6.8.1-3-386
[07:20] <wastrel> embsupafly: cat /dev/dsp
[07:20] <wastrel> should give you junk - hit control-c to stop it
[07:21] <mkerby1> wastrel, I wasn't using a command. I just opened up the directory (with the mouse, Win**** fashion) left-clicked, and tried to create a file.
[07:21] <wastrel> mkerby1: what about sudo cp -r file destination
[07:22] <wastrel> where is the directory we're talking about?
[07:22] <mkerby1> wastrel, same thing.
[07:22] <mkerby1> I used /home
[07:22] <wastrel> mkerby1: so when you do sudo cp -r
[07:22] <wastrel> mkerby1: what is the full command you're using
[07:23] <mkerby1> wastrel, sudo cp -r doom3-demo /home
[07:23] <stuNNed> is there an easy way to manage ubuntu init scripts?
[07:23] <wastrel> mkerby1: why are you trying to copy it there?
[07:23] <LinkMasterSab> Okay, so it didn't work.
[07:23] <embsupafly> WASTREL: any other ideas?
[07:23] <LinkMasterSab> pppconfig didn't find my modem
[07:24] <wastrel> embsupafly: did you try cat /dev/dsp ?
[07:24] <mkerby1> wastrel, I'm a very confused newbie. I was hoping I could write to it there.
[07:24] <wastrel> LinkMasterSab: try wvdial
[07:24] <James> DIE!
[07:24] <wastrel> LinkMasterSab: are you sure you modem isn't a winmodem?
[07:24] <LinkMasterSab> I can't be sure.
[07:24] <mkerby1> I'm just now learning to use the command line a little.
[07:24] <LinkMasterSab> I don't know how to check that shit.
[07:25] <wastrel> LinkMasterSab: laptop?
[07:25] <LinkMasterSab> Tower
[07:25] <wastrel> LinkMasterSab: on-board modem or add-on?
[07:25] <LinkMasterSab> PCI
[07:25] <wastrel> lspci
[07:26] <LinkMasterSab> Okay, so I run lspci in the terminal and then what?
[07:26] <wastrel> your modem should show up in lspci output
[07:26] <wastrel> then you can google it and see if it's supported
[07:26] <LinkMasterSab> And if it is?
[07:26] <wastrel> mkerby1: i dunno, i'm out of ideas
[07:26] <wastrel> LinkMasterSab: try wvdial
[07:27] <embsupafly> WASTREL: any other ideas?
[07:27] <wastrel> embsupafly: did you try cat /dev/dsp ?
[07:27] <LinkMasterSab> Alright, I'll go do that then.
[07:28] <mkerby1> wastrel, no problem. Thanks anyway :)
[07:28] <embsupafly> gave me garbage, machine code
[07:28] <wastrel> embsupafly: that's good.
[07:28] <mkerby1> I'll do some reading and see what I find out.
[07:28] <wastrel> embsupafly: did you set your mixer levels in alsamixer /
[07:29] <wastrel> embsupafly: did you check to make sure your speakers were plugged in :] 
[07:29] <embsupafly> its a laptop, sound works in console, just not X
[07:29] <crimsun> HostingGeek: did you file a bug against 'xserver-xorg' with all the information included?
[07:29] <wastrel> embsupafly: ok check your mixer levels alsamixer
[07:30] <HostingGeek> crimsun: daniels said its a known bug
[07:30] <crimsun> HostingGeek: 10-4
[07:30] <embsupafly> which ones need to be set high, master is set high, others are set to mute
[07:30] <wastrel> embsupafly: it depends on your system.  play around and see if you get any sound
[07:31] <HostingGeek> crimsun: ?
[07:31] <embsupafly> it's working now, I un-muted all of them
[07:31] <wastrel> :] 
[07:31] <embsupafly> thank you
[07:31] <wastrel> np
[07:31] <embsupafly> i thought only the master needed to be set high
[07:31] <wastrel> i don't understand the channels at all.  i just mess around till it works :] 
[07:32] <stuNNed> crimsun, know how redhat has ntsysv ncurses based app does ubuntu/debian have anything similar for handling init scripts?
[07:32] <embsupafly> Thank you so much!
[07:33] <crimsun> stuNNed: update-rc.d
[07:34] <stuNNed> crimsun, fscking update-rc.d fscking giving me fscking headaches
[07:38] <embsupafly> WASTREL; Now the sound works in X, but not in any Games. It works when clicking around in X, but there is no sound in all of the games I have tried, to include Lbreakout, Barrage, etc. The game's settings for sound are set ok
[07:38] <mkerby1> wastrel, I used sudo su to become root in the doom3-demo folder. How do I create a file there from the command line?
[07:39] <wastrel> embsupafly: that i don't know anything about sorry :/
[07:39] <wastrel> mkerby1: where is the doom3-demo folder ?   use  pwd
[07:40] <mkerby1> wastrel, it's in /usr/local/games
[07:41] <wastrel> mkerby1: ok.   so you want to copy files off of a CD and into /usr/local/games/doom3-demo/  ?
[07:43] <mkerby1> wastrel, exactly.
[07:44] <wastrel> mkerby1:  cp  is the command
[07:44] <wastrel> cp -r source destination   if source is a directory
[07:44] <wastrel> should work...
[07:44] <wastrel> destination can be  .  if it's the current directory you're in
[07:45] <mkerby1> wastrel, the source is a cd. Will it still work?
[07:45] <wastrel> mkerby1: it should...  do you know where the cd is mounted?
[07:45] <embsupafly> anyone know how to add applications to the panel menu in Gnome, were you click and open the menu, and it comes up Accessories, Graphics, Games, Etc... How do I add applications to these submenus?
[07:48] <mkerby1> wastrel, I tried as well as I could understand it. Didn't work. The cd is cdrom0
[07:48] <wastrel> mkerby1: what command did you use?
[07:49] <mkerby1> wastrel,  cp -r cdrom0/setup/data/base/pak000.pk4 .
[07:50] <wastrel> mkerby1: i don't think that's a valid source...  you'll have to find the cdrom on the filesystem .  maybe /mnt/cdrom  ?
[07:50] <wastrel> mkerby1: oh! you could open the GUI filemanager as root and do it that way....
[07:50] <wastrel> sudo nautilus    might work.
[07:54] <embsupafly> anyone know how to add applications to the panel menu in Gnome, were you click and open the menu, and it comes up Accessories, Graphics, Games, Etc... How do I add applications to these submenus?
[07:56] <mkerby1> wastrel, I tried, didn't work.
[07:56] <mkerby1> I'll be back later, I hope. I've got to get daughter to bed.
[07:57] <bob2> embsupafly: alt-f2 -> applications:/// <enter>
[08:03] <__learner__> tx a lot
[08:03] <__learner__> now it is downloading all packages.
[08:03] <__learner__> Will the new kernell be used automatically? That is the kind of thing that could  break the system?
[08:05] <wastrel> reboot to use new kernel
[08:05] <wastrel> should be default on next boot tho
[08:07] <embsupafly> BoB2: It lets me create a Launcher, but will not save it once i click OK, I am logged in as a normal user
[08:07] <bob2> embsupafly: ok
[08:07] <bob2> it should do
[08:07] <embsupafly> it does not show up
[08:07] <stuNNed> is there any way to refresh the gnome menu w/out restarting x?
[08:08] <embsupafly> not sure
[08:10] <cmr> my gnome menus are weid.
[08:10] <cmr> the Debian menu has double entries for every app.
[08:15] <thread> okay, so what's the secret to getting this gstreamer stuff to play mp3s?
[08:15] <thread> it's not on the ubuntuguide.org
[08:16] <crimsun> thread: add the 'universe' repo, then install 'gstreamer0.8-mad'
[08:16] <crimsun> thread: then (re)start Music Player (rhythmbox)
[08:17] <Mario_Zaizar> Hi there, where can I find a bluefish 1.0.deb for my ubuntu ? I was searching in universe, warty. and multireverse but nothing
[08:18] <thread> crimsun: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe multiverse
[08:18] <thread> it's already there?
[08:19] <crimsun> thread: then install 'gstreamer0.8-mad' and (re)start Music Player
[08:19] <HostingGeek> daniels: i tell you soon if xorg works
[08:19] <cspenc> hiya
[08:20] <crimsun> Mario_Zaizar: http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/download.html
[08:20] <cspenc> quick question about the warty live cd? is there a way to install directly after booting from that?
[08:20] <crimsun> cspenc: not the Warty one, no.
[08:20] <cspenc> crimsun: so I need to make another iso?
[08:21] <thread> crimsun: worked like a charm :) ty
[08:21] <crimsun> cspenc: use the install iso :-)
[08:21] <thread> I think last time, we installed a 'gstreamer-mad'
[08:21] <crimsun> thread: np
[08:21] <cspenc> crimsun: k thanx
[08:21] <crimsun> thread: 'gstreamer-mad' is the old version (0.6)
[08:21] <embsupafly> THREAD: Were do you get your MP3's?
[08:21] <thread> I figured as much
[08:22] <thread> embsupafly: different places, why?
[08:22] <embsupafly> I don't have any songs, don't know where to get them.
[08:22] <crimsun> embsupafly: mp3.com
[08:22] <thread> soulseek and bittorrent are my favorites
[08:22] <thread> of course none of it's legal
[08:22] <thread> limewire works well for some..
[08:22] <embsupafly> I use bittorrrent, but how do you find music with it
[08:23] <thread> torrentbox.com
[08:23] <thread> lokitorrent.com
[08:23] <cspenc> thread: are those the new suprnovas?
[08:23] <thread> yep
[08:23] <thread> everyone just migrated over
[08:23] <thread> there are probably other good sites as well
[08:23] <embsupafly> cool thanks,
[08:23] <thread> but I know lokitorrent at least is really popular
[08:24] <cspenc> hmm, i hope those guys don't go to jail...
[08:24] <thread> yeah
[08:24] <thread> lokitorrent was sent nasty letters
[08:24] <cspenc> you cut off the head of the dragon and two more reappear in its place
[08:24] <thread> but they're defending it.. asking people for money
[08:24] <thread> 30,000 /mo as a minimum to defend them selves
[08:24] <embsupafly> I have used bittorrent in windows, does it work the same in linux
[08:24] <cspenc> hmm i know that exeem was talked about a lot
[08:24] <cspenc> embsupafly: yep works fine
[08:25] <crimsun> yes, the protocol is no different between OSes.
[08:25] <embsupafly> can I double click on the torrent file or do I have to use the command line
[08:25] <thread> azureus.sf.net is my favorite bittorrent client
[08:25] <wastrel> it depends on the client you use
[08:25] <crimsun> install bittorrent, bittornado, or azureus.
[08:25] <thread> (it's java)
[08:25] <cspenc> embsupafly: if you want something cool, run screen and then put the the command line bittornado
[08:25] <cspenc> azureus is nice too if you like guis
[08:26] <cspenc> i have an old server just do all my torrents from a multiplexed command line
[08:26] <cspenc> works pretty well
[08:27] <embsupafly> cspenc, how do you use screen, what is it
[08:27] <cspenc> embsupafly: it is just a way to have multiple terminals in one "screen", a precursor to WM's
[08:27] <cspenc> then you can attach and detach at will without losing your session
[08:27] <thread> can I play quicktime files with this gstreamer-enabled stuff?
[08:28] <wastrel> is it possible to change the gnome menu names "applications" and "computer"
[08:28] <embsupafly> bittornado is not found
[08:28] <cspenc> embsupafly: btdownloadcurses or btdownloadgui i think
[08:28] <embsupafly> then what
[08:28] <cspenc> embsupafly: a torrent file argument
[08:29] <crimsun> thread: no. You need 'w32codecs' from marillat's repo.
[08:29] <thread> crimsun: great
[08:29] <crimsun> thread: you'll probably want to install mplayer if you want to view .movs
[08:29] <embsupafly> cant find wxPython, what is its proper namefor apt-get install
[08:30] <thread> crimsun: oh yea? alright.. we'll just do that then
[08:30] <thread> what does w32codecs get me to play, exactly?
[08:30] <crimsun> embsupafly: libwxgtk2.4 in universe
[08:30] <embsupafly> ty
[08:30] <crimsun> thread: darned near everything
[08:30] <thread> except movs?
[08:33] <embsupafly> is it safe to download from torrent sites
[08:36] <embsupafly> is it safe to download from torrent sites
[08:36] <crimsun> thread: mplayer uses w32codecs.
[08:37] <crimsun> embsupafly: it's perfectly safe for legal uses.
[08:37] <embsupafly> ok, thanks
[08:37] <embsupafly> how do I play an avi (divx)
[08:37] <__learner__> I need to install kernell sources to install nvidia drivers, how can it be done?
[08:38] <__learner__> how can i know my kernell version?
[08:38] <crimsun> __learner__: you don't need to install any drivers; they're already included.
[08:38] <embsupafly> ls /boot
[08:38] <crimsun> __learner__: follow /wiki/BinaryDriverHowto to enable the Nvidia drivers
[08:38] <embsupafly> then look at the vmlinuz file
[08:38] <__learner__> I think they need an update, ddom 3 demo is running really really bad
[08:39] <__learner__> so I want to install nvidia's lastest drivers
[08:39] <wastrel> __learner__: kernel version:  uname -a
[08:41] <__learner__> it says my kernell is 2.6.8, but there is source only for the 2.6.7 on the repositories, do you think the driver will install?
[08:45] <LinkMasterSab> Okay, so I still can't get online.
[08:45] <randabis> heh I can't even get doom 3 to run at all
[08:46] <randabis> just a black screen and I have to restart the xserver
[08:46] <randabis> I think it's because of hoary since it does work in warty
[08:47] <stuNNed> hi all
[08:47] <__learner__> I run it very badly
[08:47] <LucidVisions> lol
[08:47] <__learner__> I have a G4ti4200, it should handle doom III.At least in the low quality mode.
[08:47] <outsider2> how do i install quake3 on ubuntu? Is there a .deb avalible?
[08:48] <randabis> maybe you haven't installed nvidia-glx
[08:48] <randabis> outsider2 you use the installed from ID
[08:48] <embsupafly> anyone know how to FIND music stations to add to Music Player?
[08:48] <randabis> use streamtuner embsupafly
[08:48] <knghtbrd> outsider2: there need not be one
[08:48] <LucidVisions> did you guys see the screenshots of when they ran it on a vodoo2? Pretty novel,haha
[08:49] <LinkMasterSab> I guess I'll have to buy a hardware modem.
[08:49] <embsupafly> how do you open streamtuner?
[08:49] <LinkMasterSab> I did a Google search on my model, and it seems to be a winmodem.
[08:49] <knghtbrd> outsider2: grab the latest point release, run its installer, note the directory it puts files into, and put your pk3s in the appropriate subdirectories thereunder
[08:50] <LinkMasterSab> Anyone know how to configure GRUB to default to Windows instead of Linux?
[08:50] <YoussefAssad> morning folks
[08:50] <YoussefAssad> quick (urgent) question
[08:51] <randabis> embsupafly you have to install it first
[08:51] <stuNNed> LinkMasterSab, fear not, there is linmodems.org and linuxant.com for your modem and you can just change the 'default' line in /etc/grub/menu.lst to reflect your windows entry
[08:51] <LinkMasterSab> I'm stuck with Windows until I get a new modem or new connection
[08:51] <embsupafly> I have it open, but where do I find stations
[08:51] <YoussefAssad> in the ubuntu installer, if I select to modify the size of a fat32 existing partition, does it do this non-destructively? Resizing?
[08:51] <LinkMasterSab> stuNNed, I'm looking at the linmodems.orhg
[08:51] <wastrel> LinkMasterSab: change the default flag in your grub menu.lst file
[08:51] <LinkMasterSab> org*
[08:51] <wastrel> LinkMasterSab: it's pretty well commented
[08:52] <stuNNed> LinkMasterSab, there is script there, scanmodem.gz might be helpful
[08:52] <embsupafly> Oh, I found some in the ShoutCast Tab
[08:52] <LinkMasterSab> Right, well, that requires some actual knowledge to use
[08:52] <LinkMasterSab> Thanks wastrel
[08:52] <LinkMasterSab> I'll search the database
[08:52] <stuNNed> LinkMasterSab, yes, true, sorry.
[08:54] <LinkMasterSab> I'd love to learn how to use Linux and all, but I can't do that without an internet connection
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/1/17/26  I graphed the USNs  :)
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> err.
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> wrong URL
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> http://woct-blog.blogspot.com/  :)
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> No images required
[08:55] <YoussefAssad> anyone know? Fat32? Resizing?
[08:56] <bluefoxicy> qtparted
[08:56] <bluefoxicy> uses a sysresccd and run_qtparted
[08:56] <bluefoxicy> YoussefAssad: http://www.sysresccd.org/
[08:56] <YoussefAssad> bluefoxicy: Hmm. Is qtparted on the liveCD?
[08:56] <bluefoxicy> no
[08:56] <bluefoxicy> but it's on sysresccd
[08:56] <bluefoxicy> rescue CDs :)
[08:57] <YoussefAssad> Hmm. Can't download that; I'm on a 33600 dialup line here :\
[08:57] <bluefoxicy> it's 100 megs  o.o
[08:57] <bluefoxicy> it'll take you what, all night?
[08:57] <bluefoxicy> . . . all year
[08:57] <LinkMasterSab> Blah, stuNNed, I just looked up my modem, and the driver link is broken ><
[08:57] <bluefoxicy> damn
[08:57] <YoussefAssad> bluefoxicy: Think I'll try ranish partition manager. That wored for me back in like 1999
[08:57] <bob2> 8 hours at best
[08:57] <bluefoxicy> k
[08:57] <YoussefAssad> bluefoxicy: something like that. I need to work this out now; I got the sales director hot on linux :)
[08:58] <bluefoxicy> Those kinds of sales tactics are not welcome here.
[08:58] <bluefoxicy> You do not sleep with your boss to make him switch to linux.
[08:58] <LinkMasterSab> Does anyone know what to look for if you want to buy a hardware-based modem?
[08:58] <YoussefAssad> bluefoxicy: heh
[08:59] <stuNNed> bluefoxicy, does sysresccd have ntfsresize?
[08:59] <bluefoxicy> stuNNed:  I think
[08:59] <bluefoxicy> maybe
[08:59] <stuNNed> or can it resize and ntfs partition i'm wondering
[09:00] <stuNNed> and/an
[09:00] <bluefoxicy> it comes with ranish
[09:00] <bluefoxicy> heh
[09:00] <bluefoxicy> and qtparted
[09:00] <JoePenguin> LinkMasterSab: the key word to look for would probably be "DSP"
[09:00] <bluefoxicy> and partgui
[09:00] <wastrel> <3 qtparted
[09:00] <bluefoxicy> but I don't see ntfsresize, just ntfs utils
[09:00] <bluefoxicy> http://sysresccd.org/systools.en.php
[09:01] <LinkMasterSab> Alright.
[09:01] <LinkMasterSab> I need to go shopping.
[09:01] <LinkMasterSab> Either that, or AT&T needs to hurry up and get DSL service.
[09:01] <stuNNed> bluefoxicy, thanks.
[09:03] <stuNNed> bluefoxicy, ntfsresize - Resize an NTFS partition without losing data -- is in ntfsprogs, going to try it out, thanks, found out at http://packages.debian.org/unstable/otherosfs/ntfsprogs
[09:06] <LinkMasterSab> asdfghjkl
[09:06] <LinkMasterSab> I found another link to a driver, and it's broken too
[09:08] <ritu> hi
[09:08] <ritu> i am trying to insall ubunu64 on my new amd64
[09:09] <ritu> it does no deect my sata
[09:09] <ritu> detect
[09:09] <ritu> i have sis 965chipset
[09:10] <psycose> Hi, well i run a screen resolution of 1024x768 but the picture stay 1 cm in the left. i can't move the display to the right, the configuration manual button is 100% on the right, Is there a software or something that could help me ? On 800x600 the display fit the screen well, thanks
[09:10] <LinkMasterSab> Well, I guess I'll go and fix GRUB and not use Linux until I can find a hardware-based modem
[09:10] <ritu> as per discussion with Mithvandir is did modprobe sata_sis
[09:10] <ritu> but still it does not detect my hard drive
[09:11] <wastrel> psycose: xvidtune might help
[09:11] <ritu> is there anything else i have to do
[09:11] <ritu> :(
[09:11] <ritu> winXP is running fine winXP(64BIT)
[09:12] <psycose> thanks wastrel
[09:12] <ritu> BUT any distribution of linux gives pobs
[09:12] <ritu> probs
[09:12] <ritu> i am very keen on ubuntu64 on my sytsem
[09:15] <wastrel> ritu i don't know anything about amd64 or sata but maybe this will help
[09:15] <wastrel> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10352&highlight=sata
[09:15] <wastrel> hm.
[09:15] <wastrel> maybe not that one :] 
[09:15] <wastrel> but check the forums
[09:16] <Lowry> hi all
[09:16] <ritu> ok thanks
[09:17] <Lowry> would ubuntu support dri with the ati 9200 in the mac mini?
[09:17] <daniels> Lowry: yes
[09:18] <YoussefAssad> knoppix has qtparted, doesn't it?
[09:18] <phin> could we get hostap modules for 2.6.8? or any 2.6 kernels? i notice a bunch for 2.4.x
[09:18] <randabis> I think so
[09:19] <YoussefAssad> Ah, it does. Good. I have a copy of clusterKnoppix handy :)
[09:22] <wastrel> so how do i make gnome use abiword instead of openoffice for msword files?
[09:24] <stuNNed> why do i have mysql installed by default in ubuntu or am i wrong?
[09:25] <HostingGeek> daniels: here?
[09:25] <wastrel> probably a dependency for something
[09:26] <HostingGeek> daniels: i am in xorg right now and my rez is 12801024@89Hz
[09:27] <HostingGeek> daniels: my moni supports 1600x1200@76hz and thats waht it was in xfree
[09:27] <Durakus> what is the command to delete a folder?
[09:27] <HostingGeek> daniels: and my xorg config *does* say 1600x1200
[09:28] <HostingGeek> Durakus: rm -f
[09:28] <firstknight> rmdir bla
[09:28] <firstknight> bla must be empty
[09:28] <firstknight> or  rm -rf bla
[09:28] <stuNNed> n/m it was just client side software
[09:28] <Durakus> i moved a folder into my home but i can't move it to the wastebasket
[09:29] <Durakus> so what exactly would i type?
[09:29] <firstknight> hi, I just upgrade my kernel, and eth0 does not recognized by kernel.... but eth0 is still recognized by old kernel. what 's happenning?
[09:31] <kleedrac> Anyone want a gmail.com address
[09:31] <wastrel> firstknight: you probably didn't include support for your network card in your new kernel
[09:31] <firstknight> wastrel, I update it by synaptic
[09:31] <wastrel> Durakus: rm -r <foldername>  will delete the folder
[09:31] <wastrel> firstknight: warty or hoary?
[09:32] <opi> morning
[09:32] <firstknight> wastrel, eth0 is stil recognized by new kernel but no internet connection...... warty
[09:32] <Durakus> ty
[09:33] <wastrel> firstknight: if you do ifconfig eth0  do you have an ip address?
[09:34] <Durakus> if i get a game that says it requires windows to work can i still install and run in on linux?
[09:34] <Durakus> well it has windows listed as in system requirements
[09:34] <HostingGeek> daniels: here??????
[09:34] <firstknight> Durakus, it depends on...
[09:34] <HostingGeek> daniels: look at PPRacer it should replace tuxracer
[09:34] <firstknight> wastrel, I got solution..... already
[09:35] <firstknight> wastrel, it has no internet connection with new kernel because
[09:35] <firstknight> wastrel, I add  acpi=off no_acpi in new kernel parameters....
[09:36] <randabis> I really wish I could get doom3 working :(
[09:36] <Durakus> depends on?
[09:36] <daniels> HostingGeek: sorry, but i'm doing other things which aren't looking at games right now
[09:37] <HostingGeek> daniels: i know... can you help me with x
[09:37] <daniels> not unless you provide Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf
[09:38] <firstknight> Durakus, it depends on what game do u want to play....
[09:39] <HostingGeek> daniels: you read what i said before?
[09:39] <daniels> not really
[09:39] <mkerby1> wastrel, I finally got those files copied :)
[09:40] <HostingGeek> daniels: read it
[09:40] <randabis> it's strange, I can get doom3 working in warty, but nothing I try in hoary gets it going
[09:40] <mkerby1> randabis, I'm trying to get Doom3 working too
[09:40] <randabis> hoary?
[09:40] <mkerby1> randabis, I'm using warty
[09:40] <randabis> hmm
[09:41] <randabis> probably not the same problem then
[09:41] <randabis> what happens when you try to run it?
[09:41] <HostingGeek> daniels: in other words i am still having xorg problems
[09:41] <mkerby1> Probably not. But you've got my sympathy
[09:41] <daniels> HostingGeek: 08:37 < daniels> not unless you provide Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf
[09:41] <mkerby1> randabis, I'm still setting it up.
[09:41] <daniels> HostingGeek: it doesn't matter what the problem is, if I don't have those files, I can't work out what the problem is and fix it.
[09:41] <randabis> ah, what's the problem?
[09:42] <randabis> you know you have to copy over your pk4 files from the cds right?
[09:42] <HostingGeek> daniels: i no where saw that and grep my log it doesn't show it
[09:42] <randabis> you have to put them in /usr/local/games/doom3/base
[09:42] <mkerby1> randabis, I was having a terrible time copying the pk4 files, but with wastrel's help I've finally started doing it.
[09:42] <randabis> ah great
[09:43] <daniels> HostingGeek: five minutes ago.
[09:43] <daniels> HostingGeek: right below 'i know... can you help me with x'
[09:43] <mkerby1> randabis, now if I could only get the cd player to give my disk back :(
[09:43] <randabis> type eject in a terminal
[09:43] <HostingGeek> daniels: nothing
[09:44] <mkerby1> randabis, I tried. But the cd player says it's still using it
[09:44] <HostingGeek> daniels: must be a problem with the au freenode network it seems like i did 90% of talking since i entered
[09:44] <daniels> HostingGeek: well, it's there, unless freenode decided it hates you and doesn't want you to get helped.
[09:44] <HostingGeek> lol
[09:44] <daniels> if you are having server problems, i suggest you switch servers.
[09:44] <daniels> but you didn't need me to tell you that.
[09:44] <HostingGeek> daniels: http://pastebin.com/229894 xorg.conf
[09:45] <mkerby1> randabis, finally the cd player decided to fork up :)
[09:45] <randabis> haha
[09:45] <randabis> maybe it was still copying something
[09:45] <randabis> there are pk4 files on cd2 and cd3 as well that you need if you didn't copy those over yet
[09:46] <HostingGeek> daniels: http://pastebin.com/229895 xorg log
[09:46] <mkerby1> randabis, I'm working on it. Are the pk4 files on all three cd's?
[09:46] <wastrel> hm  anyone else find rhythmbox crashy?
[09:46] <randabis> yes
[09:46] <randabis> no rythmnbox is fine
[09:46] <mkerby1> randabis, thanks. I thought they were only on the last two.
[09:46] <stuNNed> wastrel, yes, rhythmbox -d might help
[09:47] <wastrel> just crashed on me twice
[09:47] <randabis> excuse the type
[09:47] <wastrel> i'll just use xmms
[09:47] <randabis> mkerby yeah all 3 cds has some...should have 1 or 2 each
[09:48] <randabis> I think my problem is related to hoary though, unless bchunk didn't convert my bins to isos correctly, but I don't think so... md5s check out
[09:49] <daniels> HostingGeek: i don't know why you're trying 1600x1200_72.00 at all, but take the Modeline out and replace 1600x1200_72.00 with 1600x1200 elsewhere
[09:49] <crimsun> daniels: he was trying it for Xorg
[09:49] <HostingGeek> daniels: wait resay that
[09:50] <HostingGeek> DagaZ: replace 1600x1200_72.00 with 1600x1200 elsewhere
[09:50] <HostingGeek> oops
[09:50] <HostingGeek> *daniels
[09:50] <daniels> where you have "1600x1200_72.00", change that to "1600x1200"
[09:50] <crimsun> HostingGeek: in other words, revert to what you originally had.
[09:52] <HostingGeek> daniels: ok
[09:54] <HostingGeek> daniels: will restart soon
[09:55] <discord> i seem to be having trouble installing an ubuntu package do they have md5 sums
[09:55] <discord> ?
[09:55] <firstknight> any opensource rar tools? I try to install rar fro m synaptic but it said it is shareware
[09:55] <crimsun> firstknight: 'unrar'
[09:56] <wastrel> anyone know if the gnome systray plugin for xmms is packaged ?
[09:56] <discord> aptitude seems to hang while it is unpacking the package
[09:56] <wastrel> and what's the pkg name
[09:56] <discord> anyone have flight gear installed?
[09:57] <randabis> hmm weird problem with zsnes
[09:57] <crimsun> wastrel: 'gxmms' in universe.
[09:57] <randabis> I open it, change the video mode, and then clicking the mouse or pressing keys doesn't do anything
[09:58] <randabis> I had it in fullscreen, so I was stuck looking at zsnes not being able to do anything
[09:59] <randabis> I had to CTRL+ALT+F6 and kill zsnes to get back to my desktop
[09:59] <wastrel> crimsun: that's a gnome applet, not the systray plugin :] 
[10:01] <crimsun> wastrel: might check the plugins page, then. I'm not registering any systray ones.
[10:01] <crimsun> wastrel: unless 'xmms-status-plugin' provides what you need, but the terminology is less than lucid.
[10:01] <wastrel> xmms-status-plugin
[10:01] <wastrel> yeah :] 
[10:01] <wastrel> just found it
[10:04] <randabis> damn I'm just having bad luck tonight :p
[10:05] <randabis> ha, now it works correctly
[10:05] <randabis> weird
[10:06] <heliolith> Hey all; does anyone have a tip for reprobing the monitor resolution?  I'm stuck at 1024x768 as the highest option... I read here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/RreprobeMonitor to reboot in recovery mode, and run this from the root prompt: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86  but that doesn't work... any other ideas or hints?
[10:08] <Lowry> 1680x1050 1920x1200 supported?
[10:08] <wfx> hi, i have trouble with a crashed nautilus -> i cant restart it?
[10:09] <heliolith> Lowry: my hardware supports higher resolutions 1200x1600 and what I want is something like 1280x1024 I think
[10:09] <wfx> btw, it crash extrem often
[10:11] <wfx> heliolith: and you want to know how to setup it?
[10:12] <heliolith> yes wfx; I want to have a higher resolution
[10:12] <heliolith> I've been searching for a bit on the forums; no luck yet
[10:13] <wfx> heliolith: sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:13] <heliolith> thanks!
[10:13] <wfx> heliolith:  go to Section "Monitor"
[10:14] <heliolith> I have xf86cfg and xf86config but no xf86Config-4
[10:14] <heliolith> in /usr/X11R6/bin anyway
[10:15] <wfx> heliolith: do you have xorg.conf?
[10:15] <heliolith> wfx not in that folder; ok
[10:21] <firstknight> what is enterprise volume manager.... how can ubuntu load service like this at boot up?
[10:22] <CardinalSin> morning all.
[10:22] <wfx> back
[10:22] <wfx> oh not longer here?
[10:23] <mkerby1> Goodnight all
[10:28] <heliolith> wfx: you back?
[10:28] <wfx> yes
[10:28] <wfx> heliolith: yes
[10:28] <heliolith> hi.  could you repeat that monitor resolution config command?
[10:29] <heliolith> I tried running the cfg from root, relogging but it didn't change; I wouldn't need to completely reboot would I?
[10:29] <wfx> heliolith: do open the config file do: sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:29] <wfx> for me it it
[10:29] <wfx> is
[10:30] <heliolith> wfx: it IS necessary to reboot?
[10:30] <randabis> you can CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[10:31] <wfx> go to section Section "Monitor" (i mean fo me it is XF86Config-4 ;-)
[10:31] <heliolith> wfx: ok i'm in that file now, looking at the monitor/screen section
[10:32] <heliolith> wfx: Section "Monitor"
[10:32] <heliolith> 	Identifier   "Generic Monitor"
[10:32] <heliolith> 	HorizSync    31.5 - 64.3
[10:32] <heliolith> 	VertRefresh  43.0 - 72.0
[10:32] <heliolith> 	Option	    "DPMS"
[10:32] <heliolith> EndSection
[10:32] <wfx> heliolith: check that  "HorizSync  VALUE - VALUE"  and "VertRefresh  VALUE - VALUE" are ok for youre monitor
[10:32] <wfx> :)
[10:32] <herman_> are there some holidays atm?
[10:33] <wfx> then go to "Section "Screen"
[10:33] <heliolith> wfx: I'm not sure, it's working fine in 1024x768 atm
[10:33] <wfx> heliolith: there is a line like Modes    "1600x1200" "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[10:34] <wfx> hmmm do you have the documentation of youre monitor
[10:34] <heliolith> wfx: yeah, one for each color depth
[10:34] <heliolith> wfx: eep it's old; I doubt it... but it's possibly findable
[10:34] <wfx> heliolith: ok if youre DefaultDepth     24
[10:35] <wfx> then change the SubSection "Display" with the Depth     24
[10:35] <heliolith> wfx yeah, while you were on the phone I ran the binary executable cfg file and added a couple of resolutions to the mix... they're showing here
[10:36] <heliolith> wfx: SubSection "Display"
[10:36] <heliolith> 		Depth     24
[10:36] <heliolith> 		Modes    "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1600x1200"
[10:36] <heliolith> 	EndSubSection
[10:36] <wfx> ;-) perfect and it does not work?
[10:36] <heliolith> should i reboot completely?
[10:36] <wfx> no why
[10:37] <heliolith> 'cause i relogged and it's not selectable from the Computer >>System Config>>Screen Resolution menu
[10:37] <wfx> you must restart the xserver
[10:37] <heliolith> wfx: ok (= how does one go about doing that?
[10:38] <wfx> logout and in gdm do a [CTRL]  + [ALT]  + [BACKSPACE] 
[10:38] <heliolith> <---- first 24 hours with Linux
[10:38] <wfx> heliolith: the first a the best ;-)
[10:38] <heliolith> wfx: so when I'm at the login screen, do Ctrl alt bacspace?
[10:38] <wfx> yes
[10:38] <heliolith> ok super brb thanks a lot
[10:39] <wfx> cu later ;-)
[10:40] <wfx> ok i repeat my self does anyone know how bring up a crashed nautilus without leave gnome?
[10:40] <stuNNed> wfx, usually in terminal 'nautilus' does the trick here, mostly
[10:40] <heliolith> Hoooray!
[10:41] <wfx> stuNNed: does it not
[10:41] <wfx> heliolith: :-)
[10:41] <heliolith> wfx: Thanks a ton.  I'm indebted to the IRC channel... most grateful
[10:41] <stuNNed> wfx, what about in terminal 'killall -9 nautilus' then 'nautilus' ?
[10:41] <wfx> heliolith: copy youre config file to a save place (allway a good idea)
[10:42] <wfx> stuNNed: there is no nautilus run
[10:42] <heliolith> wfx: the same one I just edited? make a backup copy?
[10:42] <wfx> and i cant bring it up
[10:43] <wfx> heliolith: yes save it to any other place (where you can later read or copy back to youre system)
[10:44] <wfx> stuNNed: if  i want start nautilus from a xterm i dont get any error message (and also no nautilus)
[10:48] <HostingGeek> is there any free java vm that has a firefox plug in
[10:48] <stuNNed> blackdown
[10:50] <wfx> nautilus is one big bug ;-)
[10:51] <heliolith> thanks all: goodnight
[10:51] <HostingGeek> stuNNed: free
[10:51] <HostingGeek> stuNNed: as in open source
[10:51] <randabis> what's wrong with the java vm from sun?
[10:52] <HostingGeek> not free
[10:52] <randabis> why does it matteR?
[10:52] <HostingGeek> randabis: ugly code
[10:52] <wfx> ?
[10:52] <wfx> dont think so, suns java  is ok
[10:52] <HostingGeek> randabis: open source == more stable, can be included in debian/ubuntu reps
[10:52] <spiral> hi
[10:53] <scizzo> HostingGeek: ?
[10:53] <scizzo> HostingGeek: open source does not always mean more stable
[10:53] <HostingGeek> wfx: randabis: sun java has a nasty license
[10:53] <HostingGeek> scizzo: in this case yes
[10:53] <wfx> nautilus is also open but not stable ;-)
[10:53] <randabis> ...
[10:54] <HostingGeek> wfx: thats the DEVEPLOMENT version
[10:54] <HostingGeek> wfx: and the maintainor went on holiday so not bug fixes for awhile
[10:55] <scizzo> HostingGeek: there is more people then just the maintainer coding on nautilus
[10:55] <wfx> and the are coding for a long time on it
[10:56] <wfx> i like it but it is extrem unstable
[10:57] <scizzo> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/gnome/nautilus
[10:57] <HostingGeek> scizzo: the coding is cont. but the maintainor which makes the package isn't making it as he is not here, well that atleast what #gnome on gimpnet told me
[10:57] <mriya3> Does anyone know why there is no `qemu-mkcow` tool in hoary`s qemu package? How do I create disk images?
[10:57] <scizzo> for example that is a great page to look at from time to time
[10:57] <scizzo> HostingGeek: well I guess there is a difference in coding and creating the package
[10:58] <randabis> is there a way to change the icon that is display for an app in the taskbar? firefox's for example?
[10:58] <mriya3> ok... found it... it`s named qemu-img
[10:58] <scizzo> randabis: tried to look at the properties of the thingy?
[10:59] <HostingGeek> scizzo: this is why i voted to use cvs
[10:59] <randabis> when you right click it there are no properties, just things like switch to different workspace
[11:00] <scizzo> randabis: ummm...what?
[11:00] <scizzo> randabis: are you actually talking about right clicking on the icon or in the window itself?
[11:01] <wfx> hmmm, goole does also not help... so i must restart gnome :|
[11:01] <randabis> hard to explain, I'm talking about my window list if that helps
[11:02] <randabis> the icon that is displayed by each app in the window list
[11:02] <scizzo> that I don't know
[11:02] <scizzo> I thought you ment the main icon for the application
[11:02] <scizzo> :P
[11:03] <Lowry> does/will ubuntu ppc support isight like with coriander?
[11:03] <randabis> nah, I have a starterbar for that
[11:03] <randabis> I just want to change the globe to the standard firefox icon
[11:03] <spiral> hmmm... why can't I find php5 under ubuntu ?
[11:04] <HcE> spiral: php5 isn't in Debian Sid either
[11:04] <HcE> AFAIK it's still beta?
[11:05] <spiral> PHP5 Final Available
[11:05] <spiral> Posted in agkamai.com at 13th July 2004.
[11:06] <HcE> spiral: browsing php.net now :)
[11:06] <HcE> but it's not packed in Debian Sid, and Ubuntu Hoary is based upon a snapshot of Debian Sid
[11:07] <HcE> eh
[11:07] <HcE> s/Hoary/Warty/
[11:07] <wood1> Hi all
[11:07] <spiral> HcE: all right... sniff... what the hell are they doing in debian sid ? :-p
[11:08] <HcE> spiral: i dunno, maybe php5 is in Debian Experimental?
[11:09] <spiral> HcE: I'll look after it to be sure of it :-)
[11:10] <wfx> wow!!! the only way to get nautilus back was a system relaunch !!! this more the na bug
[11:11] <spiral> HcE: don't find it :( sniff
[11:11] <HcE> spiral: then make the .deb yourself and start maintaining it ;)
[11:11] <lupus_> wfx, maybe the problem was in gnome-vfs
[11:12] <wfx> lupus_:  i can say i get no error messages
[11:12] <wfx> thats ugly
[11:13] <wfx> i was think i install ubuntu on other pc to but when the filemanage breack the hole system...
[11:14] <trey3> Fun question for everyone...
[11:14] <wfx> yes it is funny
[11:14] <wfx> ;-)
[11:14] <trey3> If I'm not in the sudoers file... how would I put myself there?
[11:14] <Cyberjames> can can help me what this kind of language? http://jldp.vimmerbytidning.se/chapter15.php
[11:14] <trey3> today's install disk doesn't appear to have wanted to put me in there... (hoary)
[11:15] <wfx> Cyberjames: maybe sweden
[11:15] <trey3> Anyone?
[11:15] <trey3> cuz yeah... pretty useless in the current state...
[11:16] <Cyberjames> wfx there is no sweden on language list
[11:16] <jdub> trey3: reboot into recovery mode
[11:16] <Cyberjames> wfx swedish?
[11:16] <trey3> jdub, and just edit the file there? would it work in init 1?
[11:16] <wfx> Cyberjames: countrycode is se, yes sorry swedish ;-)
[11:17] <trey3> jdub, thanks  :)
[11:25] <wfx> xfce project has released version 4.2.0 ;-)
[11:26] <Lowry> isight and ppc linux
[11:26] <Lowry> http://sourceforge.net/projects/coriander/
[11:32] <no0tic> where are haory cd arrays
[11:32] <no0tic> ?
[11:32] <no0tic> hoary..
[11:32] <trey3> jdub, thanks again... works now  :)
[11:34] <trey3> jdub, maybe you know... I'm getting errors related to my sound card (actually volume control) ... my sound card works via snd-via82xx usually... but after modprobing this... I'm still getting "No volume control elements and/or devices found."
[11:35] <trey3> Never gotten this error before.. the sound card module is correct... so how would I fix the "volume control elements" error?
[11:37] <jdub> cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:37] <jdub> what's the first entry?
[11:37] <trey3> 0 [rev50          ] : VIA686A - VIA 82C686A/B rev50
[11:38] <jdub> what else is in there?
[11:38] <trey3> VIA 82C686A/B rev50 with ICE1232 at 0xdc00, irq 5
[11:38] <trey3> nothing else
[11:40] <raghu> hi problem with upgrading webmin
[11:40] <raghu> it says no module proc
[11:40] <raghu> while upgrading
[11:43] <trey3> jdub, any idea? lsmod shows "snd_via82xx" and "snd_ac97_codec" thus "0000:00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)" seems to be correct?
[11:43] <raghu> any body with this problem....is ther upgraded (.deb) package for it??......webmin..tar.gz...works fine
[11:43] <jdub> lsmod | grep oss ?
[11:44] <trey3> jdub, paste all that is returned?
[11:44] <jdub> no
[11:44] <jdub> just make sure the pcm and mixer emu modules are loaded
[11:45] <trey3> 2 entries relating to pcm... "snd_pcm_oss" and "snd_pcm" and 1 for mixer "snd_mixer_oss"
[11:45] <wfx> ok i go, have a good time.
[11:46] <stuNNed> how to save playlist in vlc?
[11:47] <trey3> jdub, I don't understand what is wrong?  :(
[11:48] <trey3> jdub, I suppose I could try the OSS module (via82xx)... but I was hoping to stay with just alsa..  :(
[11:49] <jdub> trey3: the oss emu modules are loaded, that's file
[11:49] <jdub> fine
[11:49] <jdub> ls /dev/dsp* ?
[11:50] <trey3> jdub, only /dev/dsp...
[11:51] <haggai> that's normal, I only have /dev/dsp on my box too
[11:51] <jdub> yeah, not sure what's wrong.
[11:51] <trey3> jdub, sudo cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp returns "permission denied"... any other way to test raw sound?
[11:51] <jdub> type 'groups'
[11:51] <jdub> does it include audio?
[11:52] <trey3> jdub, ahhh... no... was in that group via warty  :/
[11:54] <trey3> jdub, hmm... in group... still permission denied  :(
[11:54] <jdub> trey3: logout, login
[11:55] <trey3> jdub, hmm... getting static now... I'm gonna be mad if its just cuz of not being in audio group  :P
[11:55] <trey3> jdub, brb
[11:56] <Br|ce> hi folks
[11:56] <Br|ce> does anyone have an idea on why my "lo" iface isn't been brought up during startup ?
[11:58] <Br|ce> well, in fact, seems like my /etc/init.d/network script fails at startup
[11:58] <stvn> Br|ce: just solved that problem here
[11:58] <stvn> Br|ce: chech /etc/network/interfaces
[11:59] <Br|ce> yeah, I already walk through it, but doesn't seem to be wrong
[11:59] <Br|ce> auto lo
[11:59] <Br|ce> iface lo inet loopback
[11:59] <wood1> hi all
[11:59] <Br|ce> there's only these two lines
[11:59] <trey3> jdub, sorry for wasting your time man... didn't even think to check that cuz warty added user to audio and video by default
[11:59] <Br|ce> well, plus comments of course
[11:59] <stvn> Br|ce: I had to add dhcp at the end of the line iface eth0 enet
[12:00] <Br|ce> I don't even have a iface eth0 enet
[12:00] <Br|ce> in the file
[12:00] <stvn> Br|ce: no other lines at all?
[12:00] <trey3> jdub, thank you very much for helping though  :)
[12:00] <Br|ce> nop
[12:00] <stvn> Br|ce: what kind of network connection do you have?
[12:00] <Br|ce> I indeed have an eth0 iface
[12:00] <Br|ce> and since some days, I must manually activate it
[12:00] <wood1> Can somebody help me with a Hoary problem
[12:01] <Br|ce> since the network script fails
[12:01] <stvn> Br|ce: you need to add the eth0 configuration to that file
[12:01] <Br|ce> ok
[12:01] <Br|ce> but that doesn't explain why my lo isn't brought up does it ?
[12:02] <Br|ce> mmm, I'll reboot the computer so as to be sure of what's being brought up at startup
[12:02] <scoon> what's the problem wood1
[12:02] <stvn> Br|ce: somehow if you don't get your eth0 interface up, your lo fails as well
[12:02] <scoon> just ask it
[12:02] <Br|ce> stvn: ok
[12:02] <wood1> I have an Intel 810 Mainboard, Warty ran fine but Hoary does not support a screen resolution above 680 X 480
[12:02] <Br|ce> stvn: ohoh, just found something
[12:02] <Br|ce> stvn: there is a iface eth0 inet line
[12:02] <wood1> scoon, It has happened 2 times already
[12:02] <stvn> Br|ce: i solved it by finishing the eth0 config in the file and sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart and i go lo back
[12:02] <scoon> wood1, and onbaord graphics
[12:03] <Br|ce> stvn: but it's at the bottom of the file
[12:03] <wood1> Yes onboard graphics
[12:03] <Br|ce> stvn: and there's many <CR> between ;)
[12:03] <stvn> heh
[12:03] <Br|ce> bloody automatic config file parsing ;)
[12:03] <scoon> wood1, hmmm.  what did you do the last 2 times it happened
[12:04] <stvn> Br|ce: shouldn't matter, but check if the line starting with iface eth0 ends with dhcp or static (depending on your configuration)
[12:04] <Br|ce> stvn: yup, as you told
[12:04] <Br|ce> stvn: there's no dhcp at the end
[12:04] <wood1> Warty could run on a resolution of 1024 X 768 but Hoary only accepts 640 X 480
[12:04] <Br|ce> stvn: nor static
[12:04] <stvn> k, add the one you need
[12:04] <Br|ce> which is dhcp
[12:04] <wood1> scoon, I had installed Warty twice because of the same problem
[12:04] <stvn> probably
[12:04] <Br|ce> stvn: but shouldn't gnome-system-tools deal with that file ?
[12:05] <stvn> not sure, you'd say so
[12:05] <stvn> Br|ce: file a bug
[12:05] <Br|ce> yep, I'll do that tonight
[12:05] <stvn> k
[12:05] <Br|ce> quite busy at the moment, got a math exam in about 2 hours ;)
[12:05] <scoon> wood1, what do you get here: ls /etc/X11 | grep conf
[12:06] <wood1> Well It gives a weird output
[12:07] <scoon> wood1, all right.  well warty used xfree and hoary uses xorg.
[12:08] <scoon> wood1, the problem is probably just a poorly configured xorg.
[12:08] <scoon> wood1, try this: dpkg --configre xorg-common
[12:08] <scoon> wood1, once you are done with that,
[12:08] <scoon> wood1, log out of your WM
[12:08] <scoon> wood1, and do a ctrl-alt-backspace to restart X
[12:08] <wood1> Well scoon thanks for the tips
[12:09] <scoon> wood1, that will get you back on track
[12:09] <scoon> wood1, but you MUST restart X for your changes to take effect.
[12:09] <wood1> Ok scoon, I wil try that
[12:10] <wood1> I am not using that Hoary Machine right now
[12:10] <scoon> wood1, whatever.  whenever you get to it.
[12:10] <wood1> Scoon, I just have to run: dpkg --configure xgorg-common right
[12:12] <scoon> wood1, yes
[12:12] <scoon> wood1, if for some reason that does not work
[12:12] <scoon> wood1, use this: /usr/X11R6/bin/xorgconfig
[12:26] <trey3> jdub, oh... ps... all the errors related to default user I encountered are related to 20050116 iso... worth filing a bug?
[12:26] <disaster> sorry an bit of help...  someone know if ubunto go on performa PPC 5320 ?
[12:36] <Lowry> g3 should work well
[12:36] <Lowry> 604-603?
[12:37] <disaster> PPC603e, 120.0 MHz i think
[12:44] <Lowry> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2335&highlight=performa
[12:45] <Lowry> old world may be a probl,e
[12:48] <Lowry> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallOnOldWorldMacs
[12:49] <disaster> sorry who know how install ubunto on ppc performa PPC603e, 120.0 MHz , and in powermac 7500 (PPC 601, 100.0 MHz) or too smallest ?
[12:57] <no0tic> I read a secunia security advisory on ubuntu kernel
[12:57] <no0tic> but today updating && upgrading didn't changed kernel
[01:04] <SteveA> any reason ssh-askpass would stop working properly on hoary?
[01:05] <skarard> hello people, i have a very strange error, and i am not sure how it can be sorted out
[01:06] <skarard> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11495 is the forum post, but i was wondering if any of you knew about this?
[01:07] <skarard> basicly if u have acpi on the keyboard doesn't work and have acpi=off the hotplug doesn't work
[01:07] <skarard> but this is only in the configuration of ubuntu i installed it just this morning
[01:07] <no0tic> try pci=noacpi
[01:07] <skarard> ok
[01:08] <odeez> no0tic: are you using synaptic to install packages or command line apt ?
[01:08] <no0tic> OddAbe19: apt
[01:08] <no0tic> odeez: apt
[01:09] <no0tic> odeez: why?
[01:09] <odeez> no0tic: so I know wether to walk you through checking in synaptic or apt for the package installed :)
[01:09] <odeez> paste me the output of `dpkg --list linux-image*`
[01:09] <odeez> in pvt
[01:10] <no0tic> odeez: ah, I resolved, thanks anyway
[01:10] <odeez> ah ok :)
[01:10] <no0tic> odeez: I thought kernel was changed today, but I uploaded the right one few day ago
[01:11] <zeedo> yeh thats what i thought
[01:11] <zeedo> was going to check what version you had installed :)
[01:11] <no0tic> zeedo: but secunia released the advisory today
[01:11] <zeedo> yeh the original kernel advisory came out a while ago, ubuntu updated their kernel then released the update
[01:11] <no0tic> zeedo: 2.6.8.1-4-10.16
[01:11] <zeedo> takes time for that to get through to other sites
[01:11] <zeedo> yeh
[01:12] <Andeee^> noob <-- needs some help installing Ubuntu :) if anyone can help would be much apreciated
[01:12] <no0tic> Andeee^: what are the problems
[01:12] <Andeee^> wel..
[01:12] <zeedo> Andeee^: ask away :)
[01:12] <Andeee^> well i dunno where to start tbh
[01:13] <no0tic> Andeee^: insert the ubuntu cd and reboot
[03:22] <spiral> sladen: all right, I'm preparing all this :-)
[03:26] <spiral> sladen: no /proc/dstd... is it normal ?
[03:28] <dud> i dont suppose anyone happens to know how exactly (apart from size), one can identify if a dvd disc is dvd9 or dvd5?
[03:28] <krhagan19> What is the topic today?
[03:28] <sladen> spiral: sorry.  /proc/acpi/dsdt
[03:29] <spiral> sladen: do I need to copy-paste or can I join files ?
[03:29] <sladen> spiral: you'll need to   cat >  it into a separate file, as it you do a  cp  or  tar  it'll appear empty
[03:29] <sladen> spiral: you may also need to do an   apt-get install dmidecode
[03:29] <spiral> sladen: ok, thanks... and on the bugzilla, where is the feature : insert a file ?
[03:30] <sladen> spiral: it's called "attach"
[03:30] <spiral> sladen: I must submit my text before attaching ?
[03:31] <sladen> spiral: "Create new attachment"  ---yeah, I think you may need to
[03:31] <spiral> sladen: thanks
[03:32] <Prower> Hello :> Has anyone tried the Xfce 4.2 installer in Warty?
[03:33] <spiral> sladen: I've already god dmidecode... finishing the files to attach
[03:33] <Josh1982> pls, tell me how to make gnome in another language like the live cd ?
[03:35] <dud> Josh1982, its best to choose another install language when you installed
[03:36] <spiral> sladen: I've send it & published the files
[03:36] <dud> but you *can* change locale, but ive had various outcomes from doing that
[03:36] <sladen> spiral: okay, what's the bug number?
[03:36] <sladen> spiral: ah, /me has email
[03:36] <spiral> sladen: #5591
[03:36] <spiral> sladen: yeah :-)
[03:37] <Josh1982> i had problems doing that, in console text was unreadable ;(
[03:42] <spiral> Riddell: is it normal that the amaroK you build isn't in hoary ?
[03:46] <no0tic> all wmv files are recognized by nautilus as asf and so nautilus doesn't start automatically the player, what can I do?
[03:49] <cardador> no0tic: rigth click on a wmv file, properties, open with, and change it to whatever you want
[03:51] <Dr_Willis> Hmmm.. *sigh* fighting with my network printer under linux again.
[03:51] <no0tic> cardador: it's not that the problem
[03:51] <Dr_Willis> useing a 'network' adaptor on my old laser printer. using the gnome tool to configure the thing. But it never seems to actually see it or work.
[03:52] <spiral> sladen: does this inspire you ?
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> printer supports, smb, ipp, lpd, and a few other services Ive never heard about. what would be the 'perfered' service/method to use?
[03:53] <no0tic> cardador: it tells me: this file is not a wmv file as stated by the extension, it's a asf file, rename it or (for security) I can't start your player; translation from italian version
[03:53] <no0tic> cardador: both wmv & asf are played regularly by mplayer
[03:55] <cardador> no0tic: hmm that happened also to me some time ago. Have you tried to rename the file from wmv to asf?
[03:55] <no0tic> it's ok
[03:56] <no0tic> cardador: renaming to asf it starts automatically mplayer
[03:56] <no0tic> cardador: but they are wmv files!
[03:58] <karambol> which services i dont need as a simple desktop user? an how i stop them?
[03:58] <karambol> with rcconf?
[04:12] <zido> how do i configure the Linux Firewall?
[04:14] <no0tic> zido: you can use ipkungfu
[04:14] <zido> no i cant :P
[04:14] <spiral> zido: firestarter ?
[04:15] <no0tic> zido: why you can't?
[04:15] <zido> ?
[04:15] <zido> no0tic: command not found
[04:15] <spiral> zido: do you know apt-get ? :-p
[04:16] <zido> yapp
[04:16] <zido> getting firestarter nwo
[04:16] <zido> now*
[04:16] <spiral> zido: :-)
[04:16] <no0tic> zido: ipkungfu probably it's not a debian pack but it's very cool
[04:16] <zido> (firestarter:8138): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[04:17] <zido> when i try running firestarter after using apt-get
[04:17] <no0tic> zido: I didn't try firestarter though
[04:17] <no0tic> zido: you are tring to run firestarter in a remote connection?
[04:17] <zido> no0tic: i can't get ipkungfu with apt-get, unless it's got some other name
[04:17] <zido> no?
[04:17] <zido> i'm at the computer
[04:18] <no0tic> zido: have you read what I said before? ipkungfu it's not a deb package
[04:18] <zido> tjere we gp
[04:18] <zido> i saw that after i wrote it :P
[04:19] <P900DEVIL> hi is anyone here?
[04:19] <P900DEVIL> File Server Online Triggers:/ctcp P900DEVIL !phone shit  /ctcp P900DEVIL !uiq-shit Sends:0/10 Queues:0/40 Accessed:0 times Online:0/5 RCPS:0 cps by n/a Served:0B in 0 files Current BW:0 cps AQT:No Wait MOTD: -= stfu if u cant get in =-
[04:19] <no0tic> zido: http://www.linuxkungfu.org/   try it
[04:19] <P900DEVIL> hi is anyone here?
[04:20] <no0tic> P900DEVIL: ?
[04:20] <P900DEVIL> ok hi....i got a question..im a n00b to linux and im burning ubuntu to a cd right now....just wondering...how is it possible to create a ftp in ubuntu?
[04:21] <zido> ok
[04:21] <no0tic> P900DEVIL: a ftp server?
[04:21] <P900DEVIL> yea
[04:21] <bretzel> P900DEVIL: What do you mean by "Create an FTP" ?
[04:21] <P900DEVIL> ftp server
[04:21] <no0tic> P900DEVIL: you can install ftpd
[04:22] <no0tic> P900DEVIL: and configure it
[04:22] <bretzel> P9000DEVIL: I rather suggest vsftp and it is easy to configure
[04:23] <P900DEVIL> would this run fast on a old machine? (amd t-bird 1ghz 128mb sdram)
[04:23] <scizzo> P900DEVIL: you call that old machine?
[04:24] <no0tic> zido: I installed firestarter right now, with no problems
[04:24] <P900DEVIL> umm.....well im running winxp pro on a amd xp2k+ 7687mb ddr ram
[04:24] <P900DEVIL> bleh
[04:24] <P900DEVIL> 768
[04:25] <spiral> mjg59: just put the dmesg output...
[04:25] <P900DEVIL> i had mandrake 10.1 on that machine for testing...but i have no clue how to set ANYTHING up
[04:25] <mjg59> spiral: Ah, that's you? Thanks
[04:25] <spiral> mjg59: :-)
[04:25] <scizzo> P900DEVIL: ummm...I am running mail, web and a few other things on a 333Mhz with 64MB ram
[04:25] <scizzo> P900DEVIL: that machine that you have is not old
[04:26] <bretzel> ...And me have a question : I want to install local pkg for having gnome in other language : only english is installed now I cannot find others...
[04:26] <P900DEVIL> lol....ok but would it be ok to handle full load on a 10mbit line for ftp?
[04:26] <mjg59> spiral: Can you add /var/log/dmesg as well?
[04:26] <robertj> scizzo: i'm gonna have to say that the 1ghz machine is an old machine
[04:26] <spiral> mjg59: allright :-)
[04:27] <carambol> which services i can stop as a simple user(desktop)
[04:27] <parazoid7> Hey, i just found 'beneath a steel sky' & 'flight of the amazon queen' through Synaptic..cool :). Both are freeware. Remember to get 'Scummvm' too.
[04:28] <merlin500> plz help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11512 :(
[04:28] <P900DEVIL> guys wish me luck...im gonna install ubuntu now
[04:28] <scizzo> bretzel: a local package?
[04:29] <spiral> damned ctrl+alt+backspace...
[04:29] <scizzo> bretzel: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[04:29] <bretzel> scizzo: yeah, I want gnome in french but when I installed I choosen english because I don't want console and bin utils in french tho ,
[04:30] <bretzel> scizzo: ah! ok thanks :-)
[04:30] <scizzo> bretzel: select the languages you want...
[04:30] <scizzo> bretzel: restart gnome and select the right language in GDM then start gnome
[04:30] <merlin500> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11512
[04:31] <spiral> mjg59: done :-)
[04:32] <bretzel> scizzo: done: :-) duh! If only I could  find  docs about basic config tools like that ...
[04:34] <mjg59> spiral: Ok, thanks. The lack of battery is due to it being a smart battery rather than a traditional one - with luck, we'll have that supported in Hoary
[04:34] <jazzka> hi everybody!
[04:34] <jazzka> If I use: mount -o umask=000 /dev/sda9 /mnt/usbDisk/
[04:34] <jazzka> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda9,
[04:34] <jazzka>        or too many mounted file systems
[04:35] <jazzka> but I can mount it with: mount /dev/sda9 /mnt/usbDisk
[04:35] <jazzka> but a normal user can't write on it, any help?
[04:35] <zenrox> jazzka,  wrong commandt
[04:35] <crimsun> you want pmount.
[04:35] <jazzka> pmount?
[04:35] <crimsun> pmount /dev/sda9 usbdisk
[04:35] <jazzka>  pmount - mount arbitrary hotpluggable devices as normal user
[04:35] <jazzka> sounds great
[04:35] <bretzel> grrrr: Something is missing - I have the choice ( fr_CA) in the language selection, but at GDM logon it says that fr_CA cannot be found ??
[04:36] <crimsun> then it will appear on your desktop (and under /media/usbdisk)
[04:36] <bretzel> rebooting ...
[04:38] <jazzka> and, can I unmount it with umount?
[04:38] <jazzka> pumount, ok ;)
[04:38] <no0tic> how do I create loop devices?
[04:38] <no0tic> I was used to do it with losetup
[04:39] <mjg59> spiral: The speedstep bit is a bit harder.
[04:39] <no0tic> I want to mount an iso image via a loopback dev
[04:39] <bretzel> scizzo: ah! I had to reboot :-)
[04:39] <no0tic> but mount -o loop doesn't work
[04:39] <cardador> no0tic: i think you have to modprobe loop
[04:40] <no0tic> cardador: tnx
[04:40] <no0tic> cardador: I have to do so everytime I need it?
[04:40] <spiral> mjg59: sgnifff... And for the battery... Is that smart battery, when will there be a driver for it on hoary ?
[04:40] <cardador> no0tic: add it to /etc/modules
[04:40] <mjg59> spiral: Depending on how things go, possibly some time next week
[04:40] <no0tic> cardador: I want it to load automagically when it's necessary
[04:40] <mjg59> But no guarantees
[04:40] <no0tic> cardador: not at boot
[04:41] <no0tic> cardador: and unload after I utilized it
[04:41] <bretzel> no0tic: from cdrecord manpage:  mount cdimage.raw -r -t iso9660 -o loop /mnt
[04:41] <spiral> mjg59: all right for this one, so... Will apt-get -u dist-upgrading grab this automatically ?
[04:41] <mjg59> spiral: Yes
[04:41] <cardador> no0tic: i dont know how to do that
[04:41] <spiral> mjg59: nice for this one... And about speedstepping, have you got any idea why this doesn't work, or maybe sladen ?
[04:41] <merlin500> plz help me http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11512
[04:42] <mjg59> spiral: sladen is the right person to talk to, but it's due to your ACPI tables not seeming to contain enough information
[04:42] <mjg59> If you're lucky, falling back to the ACPI cpu management might work
[04:42] <spiral> mjg59: how should I do this ?
[04:43] <spiral> mjg59: or fix these boring ACPI tables ?
[04:43] <tritium> It's cool that I got suspend-to-RAM working before my trip today :)
[04:43] <mjg59> spiral: sladen's probably the right person to talk to - I'm afraid I don't know too much about it
[04:43] <mjg59> tritium: What kernel? Using ACPI or APM?
[04:44] <spiral> sladen: have you got any idea ?
[04:44] <firstknight> I installed fluxbox by synaptic, and guess after running, I can swear it is blaxbox not fluxbox.... any idea?
[04:45] <cardador> merlin500: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, go to Section "Device" and change the driver to "vesa". it should get you a working X.
[04:45] <tritium> mjg59, 2.6.10-2, acpi, Dell C840
[04:45] <sladen> spiral: yeah, the DSDT is buggy.  needs disassembling, patching, recompiling and appending to initrd
[04:46] <sladen> spiral: for the moment, can you try force-loading speedstep-smi and that might get you a cpu speed/heat drop for the moment
[04:46] <scizzo> bretzel: you should only need to restart X
[04:46] <tritium> mjg59, Only thing, I have to remove my wireless lan card first.  I tried having "orinoco_cs" removed in the sleep script, but no luck there.
[04:46] <scizzo> bretzel: but yes..that depends if you want to use french normally
[04:47] <firstknight> Hi, is ubuntu compatible with debian testing or debian unstable?? I want to install pgadminIII. There are packages for debian stable, testing, and unstable.....
[04:47] <tritium> mjg59, I mean I set that in /etc/default/acpi-suppport
[04:47] <sladen> spiral: if you google for  $model_name acpi linux dsdt  you may find that somebody else already has a patched dsdt
[04:48] <tritium> mjg59, and suspend-to-disk isn't working for me yet.  I'll be happy to add to "HoaryPMResults" upon my return.
[04:48] <mjg59> tritium: Hm. The cardctl eject ought to take care of that. How irritating.
[04:48] <mjg59> tritium: What's the problem with suspend-to-disk?
[04:49] <bretzel> scizzo: I don't care to reboot :-) thanks for that quick help :-)
[04:50] <tritium> mjg59, I don't recall for sure.  In part, I'm confused by /etc/default/acpi-support saying to use "platform" if you want to "shutdown"
[04:51] <tritium> And the default hibernate_mode is set to "shutdown"
[04:51] <mjg59> tritium: Ah. I'll add an extra comment.
[04:51] <tritium> mjg59, Thanks!  In short, what's the difference?
[04:51] <mjg59> tritium: "Platform" means that the kernel uses ACPI to suspend the machine, which means you can get it to wake back up on lid opening and the like
[04:52] <mjg59> tritium: "Shutdown" means that the kernel just switches the power off, like doing shutdown -h
[04:52] <mjg59> "Shutdown" works on more machines, "platform" means you get more flashy lights
[04:52] <tritium> mjg59, okay, that rings a bell.  Instead of "hibernating", it did shutdown, requiring a full reboot.
[04:52] <tritium> Probably just my fault for not changing that.
[04:53] <tritium> I would imagine it works just fine.
[04:53] <sladen> mjg59: platform is still different from s4_bios ?
[04:53] <mjg59> sladen: Yes
[04:53] <bretzel> I have a question regarding pop3 server: I have courrier-pop3 running but certainly not fine-configured - but I dunno what I need to be "visible" from the net ( yet I have dyndns.org account ) --
[04:54] <mjg59> tritium: Hm. You shouldn't need to change it. But at the moment, pressing the power button will shut down, rather than hibernating
[04:54] <mjg59> sladen: platform uses the OS to save state and ACPI to put the machine in a low power mode
[04:54] <mjg59> Whereas s4_bios uses ACPI to save state
[04:54] <tritium> mjg59, I had to disable video posting.
[04:54] <bretzel> ah - forgot : external smtp to put mails from outside into my machine ...
[04:54] <mjg59> tritium: Mm. I'm getting close to deciding that video posting isn't worth the pain.
[04:54] <spiral> sladen: I'm looking for it
[04:55] <aethera> :(
[04:55] <tritium> mjg59, Maybe so.
[04:55] <topyli> ahh... mobile irc. how inconvenient :)
[04:56] <spiral> sladen: no... sniff... acer 1682 acpi linux dsdt : no answer returned
[04:56] <spiral> :-/
[04:56] <sladen> mjg59: I suspect that the vberestore should be enough
[04:56] <tritium> mjg59, thanks for the help.  Chat with you more after my trip.
[04:56] <sladen> spiral: try somem other siimilar strings, add/drop words
[04:57] <mwh_> Hi, I just installed a custom kernel and noticed that automounting of usb-devices doesnt work, automounting cdroms do work though, also I can mount the usb-devices manually, anyone know what I should look for in the kernel to have automagic work for usb-devices?
[04:57] <sladen> mwh_: why have you needed to install a custom kernel?
[04:57] <zido> no0tic: it worked here to, i just tried starting it with "su -" first :P
[04:57] <parazoid> Does anyone run Ubuntu with a Radeon9500pro?
[04:58] <spiral> sladen: http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/tables/Acer/... But I don't find my model there... :-/
[04:58] <sladen> zido: what did you try starting with su - ?
[04:59] <mwh_> sladen: do you know what I should look for?
[05:00] <spiral> sladen: hmmm... this is because of my dsdt that speedstep doesn't work on hoary whereas it worked on warty ?
[05:00] <sladen> mwh_: out of interest, why did you need to compile a custom kernel---if there's something you need, we'd rather get it into the default kernel
[05:01] <sladen> spiral: I don't think it worked on warty either...  (unless  cpufreq-acpi  worked by by default)
[05:02] <spiral> sladen: I can assure you that when I looked at /proc/cpufreq, it showd me a range of frequencies...
[05:02] <mwh_> sladen: out of interest, do you know something about what might be wrong?
[05:02] <mwh_> sladen: plain yes or no
[05:02] <spiral> and that I got /proc/cpuinfo showing for example 600 MHz
[05:02] <spiral> when I was back in hoary
[05:02] <spiral> warty sorry
[05:04] <parazoid> Have anyone had bad experience with ATI radeon grafikcards & Ubuntu?
[05:06] <mz2> parazoid, i've had good experiences
[05:06] <mjr> parazoid, there was just somebody else who'd run into problems with a 9500pro, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11512
[05:06] <Albert> hi!
[05:06] <Albert> I just installed Ubuntu and I'm having trouble installing my network printer. how do I do it? anyone?
[05:06] <mjr> my 9250 works fine (but I did have to change the driver to "radeon" explicitly, fixed in hoary)
[05:07] <parazoid> mjr, yes, i know. He?s the one i?m trying to help :9
[05:07] <mjr> righto :)
[05:08] <snowblink> hi - I'm trying to install Ubuntu 4.10, but the install stops at bsdutils (8%). Any ideas?
[05:08] <mjr> by the way, I suggested the above already, didn't help :)
[05:08] <spiral> snowblink: md5 is correct ?
[05:08] <mjr> snowblink, faulty media
[05:08] <mz2> snowblink, have you tested your medium?
[05:08] <sladen> mwh_: lots of people can probably help if you give more details.  One of the most useful things is an indication of anything you might have changed from the default config.
[05:08] <snowblink> md5 matches
[05:09] <Albert> how do I install my network printer guys? :)
[05:09] <parazoid> mjr, He just installed Ubuntu, but gets the massages: 'graphical user interface could not be loaded' as you can see. Any clue?
[05:09] <mjr> no clues. Except maybe ask him to show what the XFree86.0.log shows
[05:09] <aethera> parazoid: how much ram does the mahcine have?
[05:10] <mz2> Albert, have you tried using the printer configuration tool in Computer -> System configuration -> Printing?
[05:10] <mwh_> sladen: its a kernel.org kernel, made from scratch
[05:10] <snowblink> mz2: what is the best way to test? I burned a copy and a friend did too - both having same problem
[05:10] <mwh_> sladen: hal and udev works nicely
[05:10] <mwh_> sladen: the device for the usb-key is created
[05:10] <parazoid> aethera, 512mb
[05:10] <mwh_> sladen: and hal displays it nicely in the device manager
[05:11] <aethera> hmmm
[05:11] <aethera> looks at the xfree logs
[05:11] <aethera> look even
[05:11] <sladen> mwh_: forgive me.  What /doesn't/ work?
[05:11] <parazoid> aethera,  why?
[05:12] <aethera> parazoid: RTFM
[05:12] <mz2> snowblink, same effect on entirely diff computers, with different cd's? and the md5 matches? sounds a bit peculiar
[05:12] <aethera> the logs will show errors
[05:12] <mwh_> sladen: the device is not mounted automagical and nautilus does not show the device
[05:12] <aethera> neway I am gonna hce a 1 hour nap
[05:12] <aethera> bbl
[05:13] <snowblink> mz2: saw a notice on forum about bad RAM - doing a memory check now
[05:13] <parazoid> aethera, Could you tell which specifik log to look in? And waht does RTFM mean?
[05:13] <aethera> mwh_: put it in you fstab
[05:14] <aethera> parazoid: the Xfree log
[05:14] <aethera> that someone has pointed out
[05:14] <parazoid> aethera, ok :)
[05:14] <mwh_> aethera: no, it should not be in the fstab
[05:14] <aethera> mwh_: so how is it going to automount?
[05:15] <snowblink> mz2: trying to install to same computer - so could be box at fault. Does overclocking effect?
[05:15] <sladen> mwh_: could be unrelated.  Is gnome-volume-manager running
[05:15] <mwh_> aethera: well what I meant to say was that I should not put it in the fstab, the system should do that
[05:15] <aethera> mwh_: are you on drugs?
[05:15] <sladen> parazoid: RTFM means  Read The Fabulous Manual  :-)
[05:15] <aethera> THIS IS NOT WINDOWS
[05:16] <mwh_> sladen: yes it is
[05:16] <sladen> it's a jbailey it is
[05:16] <mwh_> aethera: no, in ubuntu usb devices are mounted automagically
[05:16] <Albert> thanks mz2
[05:16] <aethera> /dev/sda        /media/usb0     auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[05:16] <aethera> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[05:17] <mwh_> aethera: I changed my kernel and now it does not, I need to find out why
[05:17] <elyseum> anybody who knows how i can make my canoscan 3000 to work?
[05:17] <elyseum> xsane doesn't support it :(
[05:17] <firstknight> anyone using firefox from ubuntu package??? It is buggy....
[05:17] <mz2> snowblink, same computer, different cd's give the same effect? i've had problems with my hd controller on some linux installers (not recently, though), one thing to check whether ppl have had similar probs with your motherboard and maybe try adjusting the parameters given to the installer on bootup accordingly
[05:18] <elyseum> firstknight, install the 1.0 version
[05:18] <elyseum> i don't have any probs with it
[05:18] <elyseum> but don't use the update function cuz it gives an error
[05:18] <firstknight> elyseum, sure u dont but why doesn't ubuntu upgrade the firefox???
[05:18] <mz2> "one thing to check _is_ whether..." is what i was supposed to say :)
[05:19] <elyseum> that's a bug
[05:19] <snowblink> mz2: correct, same computer different CDs. Will check MB issues. Thanks.
[05:19] <elyseum> do a fresh install and it'll be better
[05:19] <elocal> ATI or NVIDIA?
[05:20] <sladen> mwh_: can you flick back to a different kernel and see if the problem still shows up?  Then compare the output of the kernel messages/hotplug/udev/dbus for the two occasions
[05:21] <pepsi> why doesnt ubuntu see my cdrom drive?
[05:21] <mjr> elocal, old (<=9250) ati if you want free drivers, nvidia if you want proprietary speed
[05:22] <elocal> I was just kidding
[05:22] <elocal> trying to start a flame war
[05:22] <mwh_> sladen: yes I can do that
[05:22] <mwh_> sladen: two secs
[05:22] <elocal> by any chance anyone running cedega and 6629 nvidia drivers under Ubuntu?
[05:24] <aethera> do you think that just apears there?
[05:24] <aethera> the installation does that
[05:24] <aethera> not GOD
[05:24] <aethera> hmmm
[05:25] <spiral> sladen: hmmm... I think I have an ubuntu livecd... If I manage to find it on my desktop... I shall try with it, thanks :-)
[05:27] <aethera> hmmm laps in international bandwidth
[05:29] <Skwid_> how can i see the log from boot ?
[05:29] <pmfp> dmesg
[05:29] <Skwid_> thx
[05:30] <crimsun> Skwid_: /var/log/dmesg
[05:32] <Skwid_> hummm
[05:32] <cavediver> Hi. I'm having trouble getting Enigmail to work in Thunderbird. When i look in about enigmail it sais service not availible.
[05:33] <Skwid_> and where do i know which kernel i am using ?
[05:34] <jazzka> hi!
[05:34] <snowblink> Skwid_: uname -a
[05:34] <spiral> Skwid_: uname -a
[05:34] <cavediver> uname -r
[05:34] <jazzka> I've pmounted a device, I try pumount and it says that the device is busy
[05:34] <Skwid_> ok :)
[05:34] <jazzka> but actually I'm not using it
[05:35] <jazzka> how can I unmount it?
[05:35] <cavediver> try umount -n
[05:35] <crimsun> jazzka: right-click in on the desktop and choose unmount
[05:35] <jazzka> or how can I know which process is using that device?
[05:35] <crimsun> s/in/it/
[05:35] <Skwid_> did anybody upgrade ubuntu recently and noticed a change in the gnome menus ?
[05:35] <cavediver> jazzka: using lsof.
[05:35] <jazzka> crimsun, I've tried that too, doesnt work
[05:35] <crimsun> jazzka: do you have any nautilus windows open browsing it?
[05:36] <mwh_> sladen: hmm its hard to find the source of the problem, it will probably be a while before I find it, thanks for your help so far.
[05:36] <jazzka> crimsun, no
[05:36] <crimsun> jazzka: if not, use lsof or fuser to find the culprit process (it's probably fam-related)
[05:36] <spiral> I got it !!!
[05:36] <spiral> hmmm...
[05:36] <spiral> I did "modprobe acpi"...
[05:36] <spiral> and this time it worked...
[05:37] <spiral> powernowd has decreased my cpufreq
[05:37] <spiral> how can I make sure acpi modprobes at boot ?
[05:37] <spiral> adding it in /etc/modules ??
[05:37] <Skwid_> where is the grub config file ??
[05:37] <crimsun> Skwid_: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:37] <Skwid_> oh ok
[05:37] <Skwid_> i was looking in /etc
[05:37] <Skwid_> as for lilo :/
[05:37] <Skwid_> thx
[05:38] <spiral> sladen: is that good for modprobing it at boot please ?
[05:39] <deeayzedarareeen> hi folks, ive just loaded warty and I can't figure how to add items to the menu.
[05:39] <crimsun> deeayzedarareeen: applications:///
[05:39] <sladen> spiral: I'm think I'm going to add a hack to powernowd that tries  acpi  in the case that 'speedstep-centrino' fails
[05:40] <deeayzedarareeen> tried crimsun, icons in that folder dont reflect my menu
[05:40] <deeayzedarareeen> ie xmms missing
[05:40] <crimsun> deeayzedarareeen: logged out and back in?
[05:40] <sladen> spiral: it won't help your battery display problems though
[05:40] <deeayzedarareeen> will try, thx
[05:40] <spiral> sladen: for this, it might be solved with smart battery driver...
[05:40] <spiral> sladen: I hope
[05:41] <mjg59> sladen: The battery problem is just due to Acer's obsession with smart batteries
[05:41] <spiral> how can I set up the policy used by powernowd ?
[05:41] <sladen> spiral: have you figured out whether it does have a 'smart battery'
[05:41] <spiral> mjg59: have you ?
[05:41] <sladen> spiral: /etc/powernowd*
[05:42] <spiral> sladen: I don't have /etc/powernowd... :-/
[05:42] <crypticreign> what is universe?
[05:42] <crypticreign> non-free?
[05:42] <Skwid_> i have sound problems :(
[05:42] <crypticreign> or extra software
[05:42] <crypticreign> ?
[05:42] <Skwid_> xine totem and all those work
[05:42] <Skwid_> but xmms and beepmp wont work :(
[05:43] <crimsun> Skwid_: tell xmms and b-m-p to use esd
[05:43] <Skwid_> crimsun: i did
[05:43] <spiral> mjg59: is that right ? Do I have a "smart battery" ? Shall it be handled in ubuntu ?
[05:43] <mjg59> sladen: All modern Acers do
[05:43] <jatos> where can I find the source to ubuntu?
[05:43] <Skwid_> crimsun: under the other plugins they just freeze anyway...
[05:43] <crimsun> Skwid_: and what error does either give?
[05:43] <spiral> is userspace a good policy for cpufreq ?
[05:43] <Skwid_> crimsun: none
[05:44] <crimsun> jatos: on archive.ubuntu.com
[05:44] <Skwid_> crimsun: it looks as if it's playing
[05:44] <Skwid_> but no sound comes out
[05:44] <jatos> ok
[05:44] <jono> ok, the Mark Shuttleworth interview on LUGRadio is available
[05:45] <jatos> I am set on customising the way ubuntu runs...
[05:46] <jatos> how big are the sources?
[05:47] <spiral> il vaut mieux userspace ou ondemand ?
[05:47] <crimsun> Skwid_: what options are set for the esound plugins for xmms and b-m-p?
[05:48] <parazoid> http://www.adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html - check out nr.8
[05:48] <Skwid_> crimsun: 3000 ms - 25%
[05:49] <crimsun> Skwid_: ensured that esd is running?
[05:49] <spiral> I bget ondemand working... it doesn't need any daemon... nice :-)
[05:50] <spiral> I'm rebooting to see if it keeps the setting :-)
[05:50] <spiral> bye
[05:50] <Skwid_> crimsun: how ? :/
[05:50] <crimsun> Skwid_: pgrep esd
[05:50] <Skwid_> skwid@LostOcean:~ $ pgrep esd
[05:50] <Skwid_> 8748
[05:50] <crimsun> Skwid_: and/or: lsof /dev/dsp* ; lsof /dev/snd/*
[05:51] <Skwid_> skwid@LostOcean:~ $ lsof /dev/dsp*
[05:51] <Skwid_> COMMAND  PID  USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
[05:51] <Skwid_> esd     8748 skwid    5w   CHR   14,3      8732 /dev/dsp
[05:51] <kent> I read on wikipedia about Mac OSX  and that it also had a "sudo" based design, is this true? I have not used osx :(
[05:51] <crimsun> kent: yes.
[05:51] <crimsun> Skwid_: ok, so the problem seems to lie in xmms's and b-m-p's esd plugins.
[05:52] <Skwid_> :/
[05:52] <kent> crimsun, so, administration-programs also asks for the users password, like ubuntu?
[05:52] <crimsun> Skwid_: try this: pkill esd . Then select the alsa or oss plugin for xmms and b-m-p, and try to play a sound file.
[05:52] <Skwid_> crimsun: i think it will freeze :(
[05:52] <crimsun> kent: administrative programs that require superuser privileges, yes.
[05:53] <Skwid_> crimsun: still nothing
[05:54] <crimsun> Skwid_: with which plugins?
[05:54] <Skwid_> crimsun: oss
[05:55] <crimsun> Skwid_: and when you try alsa?
[05:55] <Skwid_> same
[05:55] <crimsun> Skwid_: are you using an ~/.asoundrc?
[05:55] <crimsun> Skwid_: what sound chipset?
[05:55] <Spug> When I have connected another monitor, can I switch to it?
[05:55] <Skwid_> hum
[05:55] <Skwid_> intel
[05:55] <linuxboy> when is kde going to be in ubuntu
[05:55] <crimsun> linuxboy: it's in universe.
[05:55] <Skwid_> crimsun: but xine works great
[05:56] <linuxboy> crimsun: great
[05:56] <parazoid> linuxboy, can?t you just install it?
[05:56] <crimsun> Skwid_: lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0  <-- does that return anything?
[05:56] <Skwid_> skwid@LostOcean:~ $ lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0
[05:56] <Skwid_> snd_intel8x0           29984  1
[05:57] <crimsun> Skwid_: what are xine and totem configured to use?
[05:57] <aethera> ok
[05:57] <aethera> who can I get mad at now :P
[05:57] <Riddell> linuxboy: kde is in universe, it will be moved to main at some point
[05:58] <Skwid_> crimsun: hum ...
[05:58] <linuxboy> parazoid: where can I get a list of all the files in universe?
[05:58] <aethera> linuxboy: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[05:58] <aethera> RTFM
[05:59] <Riddell> linuxboy: synaptic, apt-cache
[05:59] <Skwid_> crimsun: i think they use esound
[06:00] <Skwid_> cause if i kill the esd process they stop playing sound
[06:00] <crimsun> Skwid_: please generate strace output for xmms and b-m-p when you use their respective esd plugin
[06:00] <crimsun> +s
[06:00] <Skwid_> crimsun: how do I do that ? :s
[06:01] <crimsun> Skwid_: read the man page for strace. [strace -o foo.txt -fF xmms some.mp3] 
[06:02] <Spug> How can I switch to using an external monitor that's connected to my laptop?
[06:02] <Rbk>  http://olsza-w-no.blog.onet.pl Pleas look...
[06:02] <crimsun> Rbk: why, what's there?
[06:03] <Skwid_> crimsun: done
[06:03] <crimsun> Skwid_: paste it on pastebin.com
[06:03] <spiral> sniff... I need to keep powernowd, but this works great...
[06:03] <spiral> nice not to hear my fan all the time :-)
[06:03] <robertj>  is there a Admin applet for Power management that's not in desktop on hoary?
[06:04] <Skwid_> crimsun: do i need to let it play for a while ?
[06:04] <crimsun> Skwid_: 10 seconds is enough.
[06:04] <Skwid_> wow its huge
[06:04] <lumpi> hi choulth, 310 sinds jetzt ;)
[06:05] <linuxboy> if i install qcad from universe.... it says: qcad: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.2.3-3) but it is not installable
[06:05] <choulth> right Lumpi, but the wrong language ;)
[06:05] <lumpi> oh oh
[06:05] <choulth> hehe, you should switch to englisch :D
[06:06] <Riddell> linuxboy: hoary or warty?
[06:06] <linuxboy> Riddell: warty
[06:06] <lumpi> hi choulth, i can't find this f... switch
[06:06] <Riddell> linuxboy: with universe enabled?
[06:07] <Skwid_> crimsun: it's still sending ..
[06:07] <linuxboy> Riddell: yes, its the only line in sources
[06:09] <Riddell> linuxboy: works for me, what does it say when you  apt-get install libqt3c102-mt
[06:09] <linuxboy> Riddell: E: Package libqt3c102-mt has no installation candidate
[06:09] <linuxboy> Riddell: must I also have main in sources.list?
[06:09] <crimsun> linuxboy: yes, you need 'main'
[06:10] <Riddell> linuxboy: yes, you always need main
[06:10] <Riddell> "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe"
[06:10] <Riddell> I didn't know qt was in main, good oh
[06:10] <linuxboy> Riddell: works with main in it :)
[06:10] <aethera> :)
[06:15] <Skwid_> crimsun: it wont post :/
[06:17] <Skwid_> crimsun: here it is: http://lostocean.net/temp/log_bmp.txt
[06:19] <gustav_> Hi, does anyone know why there's no sound in Frozen Bubble when starting from game menu
[06:19] <gustav_> it works great when starting from terminal
[06:20] <mon> hi, i always used moz-thunderbird in Gentoo. now i'd like to use my .thunderbird in Ubuntu. should this "just work"?
[06:20] <mriya3> @gustav disable sounds for events
[06:20] <gustav_> ok
[06:20] <mriya3> @gustav because of the sound when you click on the menu entry, esd blocks the audio device
[06:21] <gustav_> mriya3: thank you, it worked
[06:21] <gustav_> those sounds have always anoyed me anyway
[06:22] <lordan> gustav_ if you don't want them you can disable the sound server alltogether
[06:23] <gustav_> lordan: that just removes the ubuntu sounds and not the other sounds?
[06:24] <lordan> it removes the gnome system sounds, yes
[06:24] <gustav_> lordan: great, thank you again
[06:24] <zerokarmaleft> i'm trying to mount /proc/bus/usb as a usbfs on bootup, but apparently the usb subsystem isn't initialized when /etc/fstab is parsed...is there another way i can mount usbfs at bootup?
[06:26] <Cygnusx> Hi
[06:26] <P900DEVIL> omg i just finished ubuntu...it's so easy to use! just like windows!
[06:27] <Cygnusx> is there atm standard on the installation the choise of using XPDE as desktop enviroment
[06:27] <crimsun> Skwid_: It looks like a esd plugin problem. I'll look more closely in 90 minutes.
[06:27] <Skwid_> crimsun: no hurry
[06:27] <Skwid_> don't waste your time
[06:28] <Skwid_> it's not worth it ..
[06:28] <HappyFool> Cygnusx: I'm guessing you mean xfce. try apt-cache search '^xfce'
[06:29] <_martin> zerokarmaleft: Do you have a custom kernel or the factory Ubuntu?
[06:29] <zerokarmaleft> factory ubuntu
[06:30] <Cygnusx> no
[06:30] <Cygnusx> xpde
[06:30] <Cygnusx> http://www.xpde.com/shots.php
[06:30] <_martin> zerokarmaleft: OK, if you've ever built custom kernels, you could build usbfs right in, not as a module.  Is that an option?
[06:32] <zerokarmaleft> other filesystem drivers are compiled as modules in the stock kernel as well, aren't they?
[06:33] <zerokarmaleft> e.g. vfat, ntfs
[06:33] <lordan> ok, just checked xpde out
[06:33] <zerokarmaleft> and those mount fine at bootup
[06:34] <forcotton> Cygnusx, why do you want to use xpde?
[06:35] <sangriag> hi, anyone had previous experience with ubuntu in amd64?
[06:35] <sangriag> And whether the deb sources are readily acceptable for apt-get in ubuntu?
[06:35] <_martin> zerokarmaleft: Checkin... Yes, you're absolutely right, they're all modules. I'm out :-(
[06:36] <forcotton> Cygnusx, you can download the tarball from there site and install it by following the INSTALL file in the tarball
[06:36] <forcotton> Cygnusx, you'll need X installed. try apt-get install xserver-xorg
[06:36] <zerokarmaleft> _martin, the only thing i can think of is /proc isn't getting mounted before it's trying to mount /proc/bus/usb
[06:37] <sangriag> let me inform you that I am new to ubuntu ;-)
[06:37] <thenuke> what is /proc
[06:37] <zerokarmaleft> thenuke, a filesystem that lets you peek inside kernel internals
[06:38] <forcotton> zerokarmaleft, those modules go into initrd so they can be found before mounting /
[06:38] <zerokarmaleft> forcotton, all filesystem modules or just some of them?
[06:38] <thenuke> zerokarmaleft: Oookey... hmm.. and is proc abbreviation of something?
[06:38] <HappyFool> thenuke: try typing 'man proc' at a shell prompt
[06:38] <forcotton> zerokarmaleft, I've never checked that ;)
[06:39] <HappyFool> "process information pseudo?filesystem"
[06:39] <thenuke> HappyFool: thanks for the tip but.. "you dont have permission to access /cgi-bin/unixhelp/man-cgi on this server" :)
[06:39] <_martin> zerokarmaleft: Does /var/log/messages say anything?  dmesg?
[06:39] <thenuke> I wonder if it is possible to apt-get manpages?
[06:39] <zerokarmaleft> dmesg says usbfs driver is registered
[06:39] <jackmacokc> _martin: its my system in question, i'll check the log message
[06:40] <thenuke> this damn small linux uses those man pages from the web, and that site have been broken for ages
[06:40] <forcotton> zerokarmaleft, you can check contents of the initrd by mounting the image with -t cramfs -o loop
[06:40] <sangriag> is ubuntu is similar to vanilla debian?
[06:40] <Elladan> More or less
[06:40] <HappyFool> thenuke: apt-get install manpages ought to work
[06:41] <ACID|net> hey all
[06:41] <ACID|net> ive just placed an order for my 12" ibook :D :D :D :D
[06:41] <sangriag> Elladan: will it compatible with debian repositories of packages?
[06:42] <sangriag> Elladan: do you have any experience with ubuntu in amd64 machines?
[06:42] <sangriag> And how are the 32bit applications are handled?
[06:42] <Skwid_> how come my ubuntu doesnt have the /lib/modules/2.6.10-2-386/build rep ???!!!
[06:43] <HappyFool> i did an "apt-get dist-upgrade", and now my linux-kernel-headers is out of sync with the new kernel -- any ideas how to force a sync ?
[06:43] <jackmacokc> _martin: i dont see anything in /var/log/messages -- at least error-wise
[06:43] <caleb_> Does anybody have NetworkManager working in Ubuntu?  I've found a page for it in the wiki, but I'm getting an "undefined symbol: iw_scan" error when starting NM.  I'm running Warty
[06:44] <Skwid_> and why do I have 2 reps under /lib/modules ?!!
[06:45] <jackmacokc> forcotton: how exactly do i need to mount initrd to view its contents?
[06:45] <_martin> jackmacokc: forcotton said that these modules gets loaded in initrd in order to be available early.  Have you checked your initrd image?
[06:45] <jackmacokc> _martin: how do i do that
[06:46] <_martin> jackmacock: hang on...
[06:46] <jackmacokc> k
[06:46] <Elladan> sangriag: No, only ia32.  I actually haven't tried using debian repositories with it.
[06:46] <forcotton> jackmacokc, sudo mount -t cramfs initrd.img-2.6.10-2-686-smp -o loop /mnt
[06:46] <Skwid_> help :'(
[06:46] <mckelveyf> hello, i am currenly running debian testing? is there any way to more to switch to ubuntu without formating the drive?
[06:47] <Elladan> sangriag: Gotta go...
[06:48] <forcotton> jackmacokc, if you want to change something, you might want to man mkinitrd
[06:48] <jackmacokc> forcotton: it says could not find any device /dev/loop#
[06:49] <jackmacokc> that brings me to another question, if i have a hyperthreaded P4 - should i use the 686-smp kernel?
[06:49] <crypticreign> strange.. i cant ls this directory even tho my user account has grp and own on all the files and directories
[06:49] <forcotton> jackmacokc, yes you should use 686-smp to enable ht
[06:50] <forcotton> are you using the stock kernel?
[06:50] <jackmacokc> i'm using 686 kernel
[06:50] <jackmacokc> without smp
[06:50] <jackmacokc> i'll upgrade the kernel later
[06:50] <zerokarmaleft> forcotton, yes, it's the stock kernel
[06:50] <jackmacokc> oh, by stock i thought you meant 386
[06:51] <forcotton> I've no idea why there is no loop device then...
[06:52] <jackmacokc> what is a loop device
[06:52] <_martin> jackmacock: I figured you'll be able to mount it using the loopback interface, but my factory kernel does not seem to have support for loopback built in???
[06:52] <HappyFool> sudo modprobe loop
[06:52] <forcotton> maybe you can do a modprobe loop, but that's supposed to happen automatically
[06:52] <_martin> Ah, thanks.
[06:52] <Skwid_> i'm missing rep :'(
[06:52] <jackmacokc> happyfool: it gives me nothing when i do that
[06:52] <_martin> sudo modprobe loop
[06:52] <zerokarmaleft> jackmacokc, try mounting initrd again
[06:53] <HappyFool> well, now try your mount -o loop command, or whatever your were doing
[06:53] <forcotton> jackmacokc, nothing is OK in unix world :)
[06:53] <jackmacokc> ok it worked now
[06:53] <jackmacokc> hah
[06:53] <Skwid_> i dont have the /lib/modules/2.6.10-2-386/build/ rep
[06:53] <Skwid_> can anyone help me ?
[06:53] <jackmacokc> so now how do i view it..go to /mnt?
[06:53] <Pluk> mckelveyf, changing your apt sources to ubuntu's and then install ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop will work i think
[06:53] <crypticreign> how do i get mp3 support in rhythmbox?
[06:54] <forcotton> jackmacokc, exactly
[06:54] <zerokarmaleft> brilliant
[06:54] <zerokarmaleft> only ext3, ext2, vfat, ntfs, and cramfs
[06:54] <_martin> zerokarmaleft: There you go then.
[06:54] <mckelveyf> Pluk: that's it
[06:54] <forcotton> zerokarmaleft, what do you need?
[06:54] <zerokarmaleft> usbfs
[06:55] <mckelveyf> Pluk: I thought it might be easy like that, but wasn't sure
[06:55] <zerokarmaleft> time to build a custom kernel for jackmacokc :)
[06:55] <_martin> zerokarmaleft: Time to build your own kernel :)
[06:55] <Skwid_> helpppp :(
[06:55] <gustav_> crypticreign: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:55] <jackmacokc> yay! wait
[06:55] <crypticreign> gustav_: thanks
[06:55] <_martin> apt-get install kernel-package
[06:56] <Pluk> mckelveyf, i dont know for sure if itll work :) prolly does if you have allready a 2.6 kernel
[06:56] <parazoid> crypticreign, I would go for another player like XMMS. I?ve been having nothing but problems with rhytmsox
[06:56] <jackmacokc> wish me luck against destroying this box
[06:56] <crypticreign> parazoid: ive always used xmms.. but have never touch rythmbox
[06:56] <forcotton> zerokarmaleft, do you have usbfs on the initrd?
[06:56] <crypticreign> so i wanted to try it
[06:56] <_martin> jackmacokc, Good luck!
[06:57] <zerokarmaleft> forcotton, it's not on there
[06:57] <zerokarmaleft> could i just build a new initrd?
[06:57] <GammaRay> where can I see beter descriptions of what security updates fix?
[06:57] <forcotton> zerokarmaleft, yes, man mkinitrd
[06:57] <Skwid_> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.10-2-386/build SUBDIRS=/home/skwid/Download/dripkg/agpgart-2.0 modules
[06:57] <Skwid_> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-2-386/build: Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type. Arrt.
[06:57] <Skwid_> make: *** [default]  Erreur 2
[06:57] <Skwid_> Makefile.linux:139: *** Cannot find a kernel config file. Arrt.
[06:57] <Skwid_> :(
[06:57] <zerokarmaleft> k thx, forcotton
[06:58] <zerokarmaleft> and thx _martin HappyFool also
[06:58] <jackmacokc> yes, thanks
[06:58] <KING^^^> hello all , i need a little help , how can i install a game that i have just downloaded in iso format ?
[06:59] <thread> KING^^^: burn it to a cd first would be easiest
[06:59] <KING^^^> i have burned it
[06:59] <KING^^^> and now what ?
[06:59] <forcotton> zerokarmaleft, I don't have a usbfs module either, but I have usbfs on /proc/bus/usb . So I guess we headed the wrong way
[06:59] <thread> KING^^^: install it? it depends..
[07:00] <mckelveyf> Pluk: Hey thanks
[07:00] <KING^^^> on what ?
[07:00] <crypticreign> parazoid: ugh.. i cant do anything in rhythmbox without it freezing
[07:00] <shantanu> Hi all
[07:00] <Scooter> hello, I want to make sure my Ubuntu is secure, in the forum I read ". In general, a standard system upgrade is sufficient to effect the necessary changes." is this achieved by $sudo apt-get dist-upgrade? TIA
[07:00] <parazoid> crypticreign, Like i said :). Tell me if you get the Radiostation to function normally
[07:00] <shantanu> I have 1.88 Gb disk and ubuntu didn't install gnome
[07:00] <KING^^^> thread , can you tell me how can i install this game ?
[07:00] <shantanu> How much disk space do I need to free?
[07:01] <thread> KING^^^: I don't even know what game it is..
[07:01] <gustav_> Scooter: yes
[07:01] <HappyFool> KING^^^: what game is it? is it a linux game?
[07:01] <KING^^^> yes a linux game
[07:01] <KING^^^> iso format
[07:01] <Scooter> thanks gustav_
[07:01] <shantanu> also how do I delete packages with aptitude?
[07:01] <crypticreign> parazoid: yeah.. i clicked a station and pressed play.. it froze.. tried to play an mp3 and it froze
[07:01] <HappyFool> if you've burnt it to CD, it shouldn't matter what the format is
[07:02] <kent> Scooter, but first you have to update the list of packages with "sudo apt-get update", then upgrade..
[07:02] <KING^^^> yes i burned it
[07:02] <HappyFool> put the cd in your drive -- it should automount
[07:02] <thread> KING^^^: findthe m and rtf it
[07:02] <Scooter> Ok, i am going to disable all NON- warty apt repositories too...
[07:02] <HappyFool> a CD icon should appear on your desktop. double click it and examine the CD contents for instructions
[07:02] <shantanu> any ideas?
[07:02] <KING^^^> find what ?
[07:02] <thread> KING^^^: that means seek out and read the documentation
[07:02] <shantanu> it is a pain in neck
[07:03] <KING^^^> HappyFool: i am in the cd drive
[07:03] <HappyFool> KING^^^: great
[07:03] <HappyFool> KING^^^: do you see a README file, or anything similar?
[07:03] <KING^^^> yes
[07:03] <parazoid> crypticreign, I got told that it would be fixed soon about 4 month ago...nothing happened yet. So the first thing i do everytime i install Ubuntu, is to remove the damn thing :)
[07:04] <HappyFool> KING^^^: ok, double click on that
[07:04] <shantanu> helllloooo
[07:04] <KING^^^> Mount the Postal Plus CD and change the current directory to where
[07:04] <KING^^^> it is mounted.  Type 'sh setup.sh' to run the install script.
[07:04] <HappyFool> it will hopefully have instructions. follow them
[07:04] <KING^^^> i have to mount my cdrom in mnt ?
[07:05] <HappyFool> i think the cdrom appears at /media/cdrom
[07:05] <HappyFool> the mountpoint, that is
[07:05] <KING^^^> root@ubuntu:/cdrom #
[07:05] <KING^^^> good ?
[07:06] <HappyFool> err
[07:06] <HappyFool> probably. i would try it as non-root first, but whatever
[07:06] <KING^^^> ok
[07:06] <KING^^^> i get it
[07:06] <Skwid_> can anybody help me ? :s
[07:06] <HappyFool> try 'sh install.sh' and see what happens
[07:07] <Skwid_> http://lostocean.net/temp/dri.log
[07:07] <Alessio> what do you think about role-project in buntu?
[07:07] <Skwid_> i'm missing a rep in my kernel stuff :(
[07:07] <KING^^^> HappyFool: where should i have to install the game ?
[07:07] <KING^^^> in /mnt/d/games/ is good ?
[07:07] <Alessio> for install ubuntu on old pc?
[07:07] <HappyFool> KING^^^: i'm not sure. i would put it in /home/<myusername>/games, but you could try /opt
[07:08] <shantanu> Please help I want to delete some stuff from my system to free disk space
[07:08] <gustav_> KING^^^: the standard directory is /usr/local/games
[07:08] <forcotton> a good place: /usr/local/games
[07:08] <KING^^^> HappyFool: what is Link Path ?
[07:08] <HappyFool> not a clue
[07:09] <forcotton> KING^^^, may be that means symbolic link?
[07:09] <KING^^^> yes , but if i install the game in /usr/local/games i will run out of disck space
[07:09] <forcotton> thats something you can create with ln -s afile bfile
[07:11] <shantanu> hello any help please
[07:12] <forcotton> shantanu, check out ~/.xsession-errors , it can go really big sometimes
[07:12] <KING^^^> what is Loki_Update ?
[07:12] <shantanu> forcotton is it in ~root?
[07:12] <shantanu> I need some diskspace to install Gnome
[07:12] <parazoid> This to about 5% of the users in here: http://blog.monkeymethods.org/2005/01/bill-gates-strikes-pose-for-teen-beat.html - enjoy :)
[07:13] <forcotton> shantanu, that should be in your regular user's home directory
[07:13] <shantanu> forcotton i need to uninstall postfix and many docs and gimp. how do I do that?
[07:14] <kent> shantanu, start synaptic from the menu. It can install/uninstall things.
[07:14] <forcotton> you can do a 'apt-get remove postfix gimp-doc' ...
[07:14] <KING^^^> forcotton: i have to install the game in my partition where i have install my ubuntu or any partition ?
[07:14] <shantanu> kent I have no X
[07:14] <forcotton> I guess shantanu don't have gnome yet :)
[07:14] <shantanu> I need icewm also
[07:15] <shantanu> for can I remove gimp completely
[07:15] <forcotton> shantanu, and deborphan is a good tool for you
[07:15] <crypticreign> woah, fonts in xmms properties is huuge
[07:16] <shantanu> forcotton how does aptitude work? I just cannot delete any packages with it
[07:16] <forcotton> KING^^^, I don't understand your situation
[07:17] <forcotton> shantanu, you can press ? in aptitude to see a help
[07:17] <shantanu> forcotton i did it many times , I got "-" and "_"
[07:17] <forcotton> shantanu, press - on the package you want to delete
[07:17] <budyong> hello, how to create a shortcut from /mnt/windows to desktop ? "not using root account"
[07:17] <shantanu> forcotton it just puts "d" there
[07:18] <shantanu> forcotton how do I remove it
[07:18] <forcotton> shantanu, g
[07:18] <s1x> lo all
[07:18] <shantanu> forcotton I did, said none of the packages are marked for deletein or upgradaiton
[07:18] <s1x> i am wondering, is gnome 2.9 already present in hoary?
[07:19] <shantanu> also how do see the windows machines in my neighbourhood
[07:19] <shantanu> ?
[07:19] <kent> budyong, open /mnt/  in the filebrowser, and rightclick on it and choose "create link"?   then move that link to the desktop.. that might work?
[07:20] <budyong> kent: thanks i'll try it
[07:20] <shantanu> any ideas?
[07:20] <forcotton> shantanu, no idea on the aptitude thing. I guess you marked some packages '-'?
[07:20] <s1x> kent: middle click and drag it to where u want
[07:20] <kent> budyong, it seems lik this way, it wants to create a link in the same directory, and since your not root, that might not work, but try!
[07:20] <s1x> kent: that will show the link here
[07:21] <gustav_> budyong: you can try ln -s /mnt/windows
[07:21] <budyong> kent: it can't work
[07:21] <GammaRay> s1x: take a look at archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g
[07:21] <shantanu> forcotton is apt-get remove good enough?
[07:21] <forcotton> shantanu, yes
[07:21] <s1x> GammaRay: in the browser?
[07:21] <shantanu> forcottonthanks and any ideas of my smb problem
[07:22] <s1x> GammaRay: then how come I've already changed my sources, apt-get update and dist-upgrade and i'm still with 2.9
[07:22] <s1x> GammaRay: nothing was fetched related to gtk or gnome
[07:22] <forcotton> shantanu, I almost never used aptitude. apt-get all the time. nautilus (the file manager of gnome) has good support on smb I think, but never used it
[07:23] <kent> budyong, follow what slx wrote to me before. That seems to work
[07:23] <GammaRay> s1x: still w/ 2.9?
[07:23] <budyong> kent: okay
[07:24] <s1x> GammaRay: say what?
[07:24] <gustav_> budyong: or if you're in another directory ln -s /mnt/windows ~/Desktop/windows
[07:24] <shantanu> oh
[07:24] <budyong> okay gustav_
[07:24] <budyong> thanks
[07:24] <GammaRay> s1x: sure you didn't mean 2.8?
[07:25] <budyong> gustav_ : it works, thank u
[07:25] <s1x> GammaRay: i meant what i said, if it's supposed to contain gnome 2.9 packages why am i with gnome 2.8 and no package related to g* was updated?
[07:26] <forcotton> gnome-about says 2.9.4 on my hoary box
[07:26] <s1x> lol
[07:26] <s1x> forget it
[07:26] <GammaRay> s1x: you said "i'm still with 2.9"
[07:26] <s1x> i just ran dist-upgrade and it's showing gtk related stuff there
[07:26] <s1x> i just don't understand why there wasn't yesterday...
[07:27] <s1x> and i did update+dist-upgrade more then once...
[07:27] <s1x> oh well, all's well when it ends well, and thank you guys anyways :)
[07:28] <crypticreign> ugh, my laptop keeps randomly freezing
[07:29] <watercolor> Has anyone been able to mount an iPod using hfsplus?
[07:30] <Rbk2> Such sides should disappear from net...!! Terrific... http://olsza-w-no.blog.onet.pl  Sorry I'm must....
[07:33] <crypticreign> maybe its acpi
[07:33] <crypticreign> hmm
[07:33] <felixdz> Hello I am having trouble getting my Lexmark X83 scanner printer...
[07:34] <felixdz> cat /proc/bus/usb shows the usb ports but no device
[07:37] <shantanu> bbl
[07:37] <XhyldazhK> Hi all
[07:38] <XhyldazhK> how do I define my own session, different to GNOME or KDE or the ones that are by default? I've tried writing a .Xsession file but its ignored by GDM
[07:38] <XhyldazhK> I've switched to 'default session'in GDM but it ignores my .Xsession file
[07:43] <s1x> btw is anyone else having a problem when you login it fails and you have to delete the .ICEauthoroty file (which has root ownrshp)?
[07:43] <GammaRay> s1x: once
[07:43] <XhyldazhK> s1x: once too
[07:43] <s1x> i have it all the time :S
[07:44] <s1x> especially when there's a power shortage and the computer reboots
[07:44] <GammaRay> I think it happens when you do sudo -s and run an X program "as root"
[07:44] <s1x> and when i shutdown my computer doesn't
[07:44] <Scooter> is there some way to make the startup screen ask me what window manager I want to set as default? I use XFce most of the time, and switching sessions every login is getting redundant. I am almost to the point of Re-installing warty :/
[07:45] <s1x> isn't there a session chooser in gdm?
[07:45] <Scooter> yea, but it dont ask me what I want as default anymore
[07:45] <s1x> wierd...
[07:45] <XhyldazhK> s1x: I am in a similar problem, I want to define my own session with flwm
[07:46] <s1x> that's easy as pie
[07:46] <Scooter> I cant get flwm to even show up in my session menu
[07:46] <Scooter> I like XFce more anywaus ;)
[07:47] <s1x> i think you're supposed to create a .desktop file in the /etc/X11/sessions directory
[07:47] <XhyldazhK> s1x: how can I do that?
[07:47] <Scooter> sudo gedit ;)
[07:48] <Scooter> ok thanks slx :D
[07:48] <XhyldazhK> my /etc/X11 doesnt have a sessions subdir
[07:48] <s1x> XhyldazhK: Create a launcher and put the program that you want to start and then place it in /etc/session
[07:48] <s1x> i think it's how you're supposed to do it now
[07:48] <s1x> create it
[07:48] <Scooter> mkdir?
[07:48] <s1x> yup
[07:49] <Scooter> thanks :)
[07:49] <s1x> sudo mkdir /etc/X11/session
[07:49] <Scooter> Oh as root ok :)
[07:49] <s1x> s
[07:49] <s1x> sessions
[07:49] <XhyldazhK> done, s1x
[07:49] <GammaRay> damn.. what is the folder, again?
[07:49] <XhyldazhK> now should I create a flwm launcher in gnome and put it there?
[07:50] <s1x> if you read /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf it says there
[07:50] <s1x> here's an example: archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g
[07:50] <s1x> sry
[07:50] <ftwig> hi - trying to install java - added 'deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ warty java' source but what is the package actualy called - have had a look in synaptic but cant work it out ;(
[07:50] <Scooter> COOL! Thanks slx :)
[07:50] <s1x> here's an example: /usr/share/gdm/BuiltInSessions/default.desktop
[07:52] <XhyldazhK> aaaah there it says that if i change from default to custom it will run my .xsession file
[07:52] <s1x> and yet another: /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop
[07:52] <crypticreign> using the hardware volume control keys on my laptop freezes the system
[07:52] <s1x> yup
[07:53] <s1x> apparently it's a new spec
[07:53] <Scooter> anyone got the 64bit drivers for ATI? I read in forum they may be released today sometime :)
[07:54] <crypticreign> ok wierd.. volume control says i have two devices.. one i know is mine.. one i have no idea what it is.. but yet the both seem to control volume 50% each
[07:55] <XhyldazhK> thanx s1x... i will test it
[07:56] <gangalino> what's the best way to stop cardmgr in Warty? ps-ef|grep cardmgr / kill ?
[07:56] <gangalino> I'm doing a system upgrade
[07:58] <aethera> killall cardmgr
[07:59] <gangalino> thx
[07:59] <crypticreign> what package has a curses interface to configure alsa?
[07:59] <aethera> GammaRay: ltnc mate
[07:59] <aethera> alsamixer
[07:59] <aethera> alsautils I thin
[07:59] <aethera> k
[08:00] <crypticreign> aethera: i dont have alsautils,, what package has that?
[08:01] <aethera> alsa-utils - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (utilities)
[08:01] <aethera> it will give you the alsa mixer for console
[08:01] <aethera> sorry forgot to put a "-"
[08:02] <aethera> Had a crap day at work
[08:02] <crypticreign> aethera: i need somethng to set my sooundcard.. right now it thinks i have two... which i dont! :)
[08:02] <aethera> lol
[08:02] <aethera> you got a offboard and a onboard?
[08:03] <crypticreign> not sure.. doesnt say.. i have my essoniq.. and then i have something called SigmaTel
[08:03] <crypticreign> whatever the hell that is
[08:03] <aethera> sorry mate I need to do a quotation for a guy
[08:03] <aethera> to setup a 50pc network
[08:03] <aethera> bbl
[08:03] <lerio> hi everybody, i need some help bc it seems my system cannot read rewritable discs. i'm using warty with a QSI CDR/RW
[08:04] <aethera> lerio: a laptop?
[08:04] <aethera> I havent tried rw disks in mine
[08:04] <aethera> usb is ok
[08:04] <aethera> :_
[08:04] <lerio> aethera: yes. it is a gericom with athlon xp 1400
[08:05] <aethera> lerio: my dad has a gericom with 1.7 celeron
[08:05] <aethera> have not tested it with ubuntu
[08:05] <aethera> I am using a Sony Vio 1.6
[08:05] <aethera> viao even
[08:05] <aethera> I will set it up tomorrow
[08:05] <lerio> aethera: what checks may i perform?
[08:05] <aethera> and get back to you if thats ok?
[08:06] <aethera> lerio: does the disk work in other pc's?
[08:06] <lerio> aethera: well, it's a blank cdrw
[08:06] <aethera> so it wount read
[08:07] <aethera> cause there is not filesystem on it
[08:07] <aethera> like a blank cd dont read
[08:07] <aethera> but in Cdr software aka k3b / gtoaster it works
[08:07] <aethera> :)
[08:07] <lerio> i tried to write something with cdrecord and it says "no media in the drive"
[08:08] <aethera> have you tried as root?
[08:08] <lerio> yes
[08:08] <lerio> sudo cdrecord *
[08:08] <aethera> tried xcdroast / gtoaster?
[08:09] <lerio> xcdroast - same result, but i was on hoary so maybe i'll give another try with warty
[08:10] <crypticreign> how do i set my soundcard in alsa?
[08:10] <aethera> lerio: I think that will be best
[08:10] <aethera> crypticreign: its all done with the kernel
[08:10] <lerio> which package do u suggest me?
[08:10] <aethera> lerio: I dont understand
[08:10] <lerio> aethera: xcdroast, gtoaster or k3b?
[08:10] <aethera> well I prefer console
[08:10] <aethera> but for easy use
[08:11] <aethera> gtoaster or k3b is fine
[08:11] <aethera> k3b is much a nero clone
[08:11] <lerio> ok. thanks a lot. i'll let u know
[08:11] <lerio> :)
[08:11] <aethera> np lerio
[08:11] <aethera> hope it goes well
[08:11] <rapha> Hi all
[08:11] <aethera> lo rapha
[08:11] <Kirsch> hey guys, is there a way to turn off the "Tap-click" on a laptop touchpad?
[08:12] <parazoid7> Stupid question: I?ve got an old windows WAV-file that i want to convert to mp3. Which program should i use?
[08:12] <aethera> parazoid7: I think sound juicer can do it
[08:12] <aethera> let me check
[08:12] <rapha> I've just installed a DVD drive into my computer and try to watch a movie with totem, but it won't. mplayer and xine do just fine, however, totem says it can't read the dvd and my guess is that it might try to use the CD burner... any idea somebody?
[08:12] <aethera> ok it cant
[08:12] <aethera> :P
[08:13] <aethera> rapha: look at the prefs in totem
[08:13] <parazoid7> rapha, maybe you should try 'vlc'
[08:14] <pisuke> rapha, apt-get install totem-xine
[08:14] <rapha> pisuke: I do have that installed
[08:14] <rapha> And I'm not interested in any other program; totem it shall be :)
[08:15] <aethera> parazoid: have you looked on freshmeat?
[08:15] <pisuke> seems weird
[08:15] <parazoid> aethera, no
[08:15] <pisuke> if xine can
[08:15] <pisuke> totem should
[08:15] <benkong2> hello everyone I have a question about /etc/hosts automatic contents? Aanyone willing to help?
[08:16] <pisuke> hosts automatic contents?
[08:16] <aethera> rapha: look at the optical drive preferences
[08:16] <benkong2> what does this mean fe00::0 ip6-localnet?
[08:16] <aethera> change it to the drive you want
[08:16] <Skwid_> aethera: are you the one that has a intel chipset ?
[08:16] <benkong2> there about six lines that look like ivp6 stuff
[08:16] <aethera> Skwid_: yeah
[08:16] <rapha> aethera: Oh, good idea. That worked :)
[08:17] <rapha> Sorry for the ignorance of not looking into preferences myself...
[08:17] <pisuke> benkong2, thats the local network in ipv6 as ip6-localnet says
[08:17] <aethera> rapha: np
[08:17] <Skwid_> aethera: i didn't manage to get mine working :(
[08:17] <aethera> Skwid_: I can make anytrhing work :P
[08:17] <Skwid_> aethera: come here )
[08:17] <Skwid_> :)
[08:17] <benkong2> pisuke; ok I want to have a home mail server and apache and I need to add my dnsdyn address. Will this affect that?
[08:17] <aethera> send the notebook here
[08:17] <aethera> but dont expect to get it back
[08:17] <aethera> :P
[08:18] <Skwid_> aethera: workstation :] 
[08:18] <Skwid_> come and get it ! (nice, france) :] 
[08:18] <aethera> benkong2: no
[08:18] <aethera> I do it aswell here
[08:18] <aethera> Skwid_: when I tour europe in december :)
[08:18] <benkong2> First time ubuntu install and  my first attempt to have a mail and web server
[08:18] <Skwid_> aethera: aren't we in january ? :)
[08:19] <aethera> yeah end of this year mate
[08:19] <aethera> I have work and stuff
[08:19] <Skwid_> oh :)
[08:19] <Skwid_> i tried to install the intel drivers
[08:19] <aethera> parazoid: I found something
[08:19] <benkong2> aethera; pisuke any thoughts on the best programs to use for an imap mail server or sites that have step by step instructions?
[08:19] <aethera> :)
[08:19] <Skwid_> i got an error saying I had no build dir :(
[08:19] <aethera> benkong2: I use postfix + courier imap + mysql
[08:20] <aethera> parazoid: dir2ogg - converts mp3, m4a, and wav files into ogg-vorbis format
[08:20] <aethera> :>
[08:20] <aethera> Skwid_: the intel drivers are crap
[08:20] <aethera> :P
[08:20] <aethera> stuff intel
[08:20] <aethera> :)
[08:20] <aethera> oh wait I think I installed them
[08:20] <aethera> but it was 3 days ago
[08:21] <aethera> cant remember stuff
[08:21] <Skwid_> lollll
[08:21] <Skwid_> don't care what i install
[08:21] <benkong2> aethera; ok where do I set my IP address manually in ubuntu? I want this server to run from a static IP assigned by me it is on a network behind my linksys 4 port router.
[08:21] <Skwid_> just want the damn thing to work !
[08:21] <rapha> "They were called Test Pilots. And no one knew their names".
[08:21] <aethera> benkong2: so its router -> linux box
[08:21] <TTilus> benkong2: /etc/network/interfaces
[08:21] <aethera> :P
[08:21] <rapha> "This is Whisky-Kilo-2-8, launching NOW"
[08:22] <mcphail> On my current Ubuntu install I can't use the nautilus CD burner when I insert a CD. I'm sure this worked automagically on a previous install (or maybe it was SuSE). Can anyone help?
[08:22] <TTilus> benkong2: man interfaces
[08:22] <benkong2> aethera; yes modem to router to nix box
[08:22] <parazoid> aethera, Someone just recommended a program called 'Lame', but thanks anyway.
[08:22] <benkong2> TTilus; thanks
[08:22] <aethera> parazoid: mine is better :)
[08:22] <Skwid_> mine is bigger :)
[08:22] <Skwid_> (oh, sorry)
[08:23] <parazoid> Er der nogen som har prvet Alien Hominid?
[08:23] <Skwid_> parazoid: yeah sure, i had that in mind :)
[08:23] <aethera> benkong2: I have this modem router ( planet my fav ) -> freebsd router / firewall / webserver -> 16 port Cray 100/1000 switch -> 13 client pc's
[08:23] <benkong2> TTilus; aethera can I just gedit the /etc/hosts and add 192.168.??? my.domain.name hostname?
[08:23] <aethera> the freebsd box runs dhcp server aswell
[08:23] <parazoid> sorry, i postet in the wrong channel, in my stup language.
[08:24] <aethera> This so is so long
[08:24] <TTilus> parazoid: Uk ghhrub burb krh raghaa pwe do'h!
[08:24] <aethera> sh33t
[08:24] <aethera> oh shit xmms hung
[08:24] <aethera> thats why it was going for 5 minutes
[08:24] <aethera> same beat
[08:24] <aethera> sounded quiet cool actually
[08:24] <TTilus> benkong2: yes you can, it depend if it ends up being what you want  :)
[08:25] <Skwid_> aethera: yeah, same stuff as techno crap :)
[08:25] <aethera> s/quiet/quite
[08:25] <parazoid> TTilus, That?s pretty close
[08:25] <benkong2> aethera;  what a setup ! I just want this first one to learn how to do email and web server
[08:25] <aethera> oh  I think my gf is pissed off
[08:25] <Skwid_> yeahhhh :)
[08:25] <aethera> silly bitch
[08:25] <aethera> :P
[08:26] <aethera> ah wait I cant use the baseball bat
[08:26] <aethera> she is 1000km away
[08:26] <aethera> :(
[08:26] <aethera> ok no more weed for tonight
[08:26] <Skwid_> aethera: mine is 6000 km away :/
[08:27] <aethera> Skwid_: phone sex rocks dont it
[08:27] <aethera> you put condom over you phone :P
[08:27] <Skwid_> aethera: dude, you should stop smoking
[08:27] <aethera> I rate that too mate
[08:27] <TTilus> benkong2: man resolv.conf
[08:28] <TTilus> :)
[08:28] <aethera> TTilus: resolv.conf is for dns mate
[08:28] <TTilus> aethera: that's what i thought benkong2 would ask next  :)
[08:28] <benkong2> TTilus; got a problem in gentoo I did iface=192.168.1.??? to set manual ip is that the correct command in ubuntu?
[08:28] <aethera> TTilus: hehe
[08:28] <aethera> ok
[08:29] <benkong2> TTilus; thanks for the premptive answer
[08:29] <aethera> ok benkong2 man ppp
[08:29] <aethera> :)
[08:29] <benkong2> I presume that /etc/resolv will need an entry so that I have an MX record for mail
[08:29] <TTilus> benkong2: depends where it is... sincerelly, i dont think thats conna be correct
[08:29] <benkong2> aethera; got high speed cable connection
[08:30] <aethera> man pppoe
[08:30] <aethera> its not that highspeed
[08:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> how to make linux boot faster no words?
[08:31] <TTilus> benkong2: if you like, you can do network setup with gui tool
[08:32] <benkong2> got it reading man interfaces.....working
[08:32] <TTilus> benkong2: in default gnome session it's something like computer -> system preferences -> network setup
[08:32] <aethera> BROKEN_LADDER: dont start so many services on boot
[08:33] <TTilus> benkong2: good, good!
[08:35] <Hwolf> Hm. When did warty grow so big? :-S
[08:35] <aethera> when it got older
[08:35] <aethera> :)
[08:37] <Hwolf> Damn. It's 116mb bigger then my warty install and installs 112 packages extra.
[08:39] <mcphail> What do I need to do to enable cd burning? I can't get any program to recognise my combo drive in my current install.
[08:40] <TTilus> anybody remember if burning was possible thru atapi interface?
[08:41] <TTilus> i just remotely recall having to set up burner to use scsi interface to get burning work
[08:41] <mcphail> How would I do that?
[08:41] <Scooter> hello I am trying to build new XFce and  I get errors in log /tmp/xfce4-4.2.0-installer/bootstrap.sh: line 1: gcc: command not found, I use synaptic and I haave 2 GCC installed... is there special GCC to compile things?
[08:41] <TTilus> mcphail: umm... unloading and reloading modules i think...
[08:41] <Hwolf> Scooter, try apt-get install build-utils
[08:42] <Scooter> thanks Hwolf :)
[08:42] <TTilus> mcphail: just wait for a moment
[08:42] <mcphail> TTilus: ok
[08:43] <^majik> oh yeah. er, what package(s) are the man pages in, or rather the 'man' util? ;-(
[08:43] <Scooter> E: Couldn't find package build-utils, hmm, I must need to add some repository to my apt list...
[08:44] <Scooter> I did apt-get update first
[08:45] <Hwolf> Scooter, I can't use apt now since I'm upgrading to hoary, but do apt-cache seach build
[08:46] <Scooter> ok i see apt-build and arch-buildpackage, should I just install them both for good mesure :)
[08:46] <Scooter> Thanks Hwolf :)
[08:47] <Scooter> Ah! i see Build-essential! Thanks :)
[08:47] <Scooter> Woot! it will install other packages I need too, Thanks Hwolf :)
[08:47] <Hwolf> Sorry about that Scoot, glad it's fixed. :-)
[08:48] <TTilus> mcphail: can't find the docs right now
[08:48] <TTilus> mcphail: is your cdrom /dev/hd* or /dev/sd* ?
[08:48] <mcphail> TTilus: /dev/hdc
[08:48] <TTilus> mcphail: and you have checked this http://www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu/#burnfiles
[08:49] <mcphail> TTilus: will do. Tx
[08:52] <mcphail> TTilus: link not much help, I'm afraid. I'll chase ths SCSI emulation thing. Would seem to be the way to go. BTW, could it be my entry is /etc/fstab? Is this where I enable SCSI emulation?
[08:52] <TTilus> mcphail: this might be partly obsolete, but maybe it helps http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html
[08:52] <TTilus> mcphail: it depends on the modules you load
[08:52] <Scooter> we get alsa by default right? I am in XFce setup :)
[08:54] <mcphail> TTilus: thanks. I'm off to experiment.
[08:54] <TTilus> mcphail: it was ide-scsi or something like that for ide/atapi cd-writers
[08:54] <Scooter> nevermind I am quite sure it must be ALSA, other drivers dont support my system :)
[08:54] <TTilus> mcphail: if i remember correct it conflicts with trad ide cd driver...
[08:57] <nitin> clear
[08:57] <nitin> bah
[08:58] <wastrel> so how do i play a dvd on ubuntu?  i've got libdvd and mplayer and totem but when i try to play the dvd totem hangs and has to be killed and mplayer exits immediately
[08:58] <wastrel> bad dvd?
[09:02] <^majik> n/m.  I never saw it in synaptic, but here it is.. i just did 'apt-get install man' and got the man util.
[09:03] <^majik> now what about 'base' man pages? for stuff like ifconfig, etc ?  :o)
[09:03] <wastrel> each package should install its own man files
[09:04] <wastrel> /usr/share/man/   should be where they live
[09:04] <wastrel> ifconfig is in man8
[09:04] <larsrohdin> hi
[09:05] <^majik> yeah.  I have, for instance, the man page for apache, but not for ifconfig
[09:05] <larsrohdin> ngon hr?
[09:05] <wastrel> do you have /usr/share/man/man8/ifconfig.8.gz ?
[09:05] <larsrohdin> i have just installed ubuntu... what kind of package program does ubuntu use?
[09:06] <Amaranth> larsrohdin: apt, just like debian
[09:06] <wastrel> larsrohdin: it's the debian package system.  you can use synaptic in your computer menu
[09:06] <eazyone[PL] > larsrohdin: .dep
[09:06] <^majik> (I'm running BeatrIX, based on Ubuntu, and these things were not installed by default)
[09:06] <^majik> oh...let me see
[09:06] <wastrel> computer->system configuration->synaptic
[09:06] <larsrohdin> ok thanks
[09:06] <rattboi> beatrIX? for PPC?
[09:06] <Amaranth> beatrix is based on ubuntu?
[09:06] <rattboi> uses Ubuntu packages
[09:07] <^majik> Amaranth: from what I can tell, it is
[09:07] <^majik> shrug
[09:07] <benkong2> anybody seen this theme? http://www.users.monornet.hu/linux/screens/milk_2_1.jpg how can I make a menu bar such as this one?
[09:07] <^majik> rattboi: nah.  just on my P2 400MHz lapop
[09:07] <rattboi> okie
[09:07] <rattboi> I thought it was PPC only
[09:07] <rattboi> I just saw something about it
[09:08] <wastrel> benkong2: you mean on the bottom?
[09:08] <benkong2> wasabi; yes
[09:08] <benkong2> oopss wastrel
[09:08] <wastrel> benkong2: that is a gdesklet.  you want the gdesklets program
[09:08] <^majik> wastrel: yeah.. I've got synaptic.  but don't have any idea what package to get ?  I mean, I've looked for 'man' before, with the 'name' search.. and didn't find anything useful really  -_-
[09:08] <benkong2> ok thanks; is that not installed by default with ubuntu?
[09:09] <larsrohdin> what should I type to read which packages are avalaible?
[09:09] <eazyone[PL] > wastrel: do you know how to get shadows under windows and menus ??
[09:09] <^majik> rattboi: ah.  weird.  I guess there might be a version of it for PPC, but I don't think I'd heard about it
[09:09] <wastrel> eazyone[PL] : not really  i think that's an xorg thing
[09:09] <rattboi> eazyone[PL] , gotta use xcomposite w/ xorg
[09:10] <rattboi> and doesn't the wm need to support it as well?
[09:10] <^majik> rattboi: AFAIK, it's x86-only: www.watsky.net  :o
[09:10] <eazyone[PL] > rattboi: thnx...
[09:10] <rattboi> ^majik, I'll find the link
[09:11] <benkong2> could someone tell me where I should install icon themes so that they can be read by the theme manager? I dropped one in the window but it still does not show for use.
[09:11] <larsrohdin> can i search with apt? like yum search in red hat/fedora?
[09:11] <^majik> rattboi: heh, I gave you the link since I figured you had some bad source from last time  *shrug*
[09:11] <aethera> hahah firefox 1.0 is soooooooooooo unstable
[09:11] <rattboi> ^majik, I think you might be right
[09:12] <wastrel> larsrohdin: there's a search function in synaptic, you can also use apt-cache search from the command line
[09:12] <rattboi> I was reading a PPC linux site, and I thought it would be PPC-only there, but apparently the review there doesn't say anything about PPC
[09:12] <rattboi> weirdness
[09:12] <^majik> oh
[09:12] <wastrel> benkong2: you might need to close and reopen the theme manager after you add themes
[09:12] <escobarf> hi
[09:13] <larsrohdin> how should i type then?
[09:13] <wastrel> apt-cache search foo
[09:13] <snorkel> does anyone know how to enable 3D on a ATI RADEON IGP 340M
[09:13] <^majik> rattboi: yeah.  it was my understanding that it was x86-only -- at least for the time being -- since it was developed on one of those VIA Epia systems
[09:14] <wastrel> so how do i play a dvd on ubuntu?  i've got libdvd and mplayer and totem but when i try to play the dvd totem hangs and has to be killed and mplayer exits immediately
[09:15] <larsrohdin> ok, i get it... thanks alot!
[09:16] <wastrel> snorkel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards
[09:16] <wastrel> snorkel: apparently 3d isn't supported yet.
[09:16] <kurdt> hello, my english isn't very well, but i hope i can get a answer for my problem,   my nvidia-driver works very good, but i have to install it after every reboot, cause i can't load the module a second time...
[09:17] <snorkel> I thought so. Its the same with other dists
[09:17] <benkong2> wastrel; tried closing and re-opening a couple of times anything else I might try?
[09:17] <snorkel> I have tried updating the kernel and install fglrx-driver. But no result
[09:18] <wastrel> benkong2: not sure... you could try to install it with the install theme button...
[09:18] <snorkel> I've only now 1 startup error [fglrx:firegl_init]  *ERROR* Device not found!
[09:18] <snorkel> How do i remove that
[09:18] <kent> kurdt, add "nvidia" to /etc/modules  and it will be loaded on every boot.
[09:19] <kurdt> i added it to /etc/modules
[09:19] <kurdt> but it don't works
[09:19] <wastrel> snorkel: remove fglrx from your /etc/modules
[09:20] <snorkel> Thanks i shall do that
[09:20] <jaco_> hi all
[09:20] <jaco_> hi ZzeCoOl
[09:20] <kent> kurdt, but then it should be loaded on every boot? are you sure about that its not loaded?
[09:20] <jaco_> :)
[09:20] <kakashi> hey
[09:20] <jaco_> my question for tonight is, i want a panel like mac os, the only way is install kde kicker?
[09:20] <kakashi> anyone here???
[09:20] <kurdt> hmm no - but the x-server said it
[09:20] <kurdt> log
[09:21] <snorkel> I just remove fglrx. Piece of cake. Thanks wastrel
[09:21] <kakashi> i have a small problem
[09:21] <kakashi> pls help somebody
[09:21] <zAo^> lo
[09:21] <zAo^> shoot kakashi
[09:21] <NanoTek_> please Mr. Ati
[09:21] <kakashi> there is no mc(midnight commander) on my ubuntu what shall i do????
[09:21] <eazyone[PL] > kakashi: apt-get install mc
[09:22] <zAo^> Can I just mount an iPOD mini and transfer MP3's? Planning to get one. Thanks in advance
[09:22] <snorkel> Does anyone know a newsreader with a supersearch feature like build in newsleecher for Windows
[09:22] <zAo^> snorkel, there is none
[09:22] <keyshawn_> :/
[09:22] <kakashi> thanks
[09:22] <keyshawn_> the only comperable ones are pan and another
[09:23] <zAo^> klibido that is ;-) ^^
[09:23] <^majik> I'm reinstalling the packages: manpages, manpages-dev, manpages-posix, and manpages-posix-dev, now after finally having man-db installed.. I'll see if that'll do it  :o
[09:23] <eazyone[PL] > kakashi: or sudo apt-get install mc
[09:23] <snorkel> So i must always do header updates in Pan or so?
[09:23] <keyshawn_> yep.
[09:23] <zAo^> no1 who can help me to get an iPOD mini? :-)
[09:23] <zAo^> yes snorkel
[09:24] <keyshawn_> snorkel: try this - http://www.bnr2.org/
[09:25] <kakashi> i would work for sure but there is not such a package on my ubuntu (is it on the ISO i downloaded????)
[09:25] <snorkel> I have tried BNR but with bnr i also have to download the headers
[09:25] <kakashi> where to download it???
[09:25] <^majik> hm.. I just don't seem to have an ifconfig manpage.. but I do have one for 'ps' and 'grep'.  ah well, I more or less know how to use ifconfig (and I could always look it up online).. so I don't necessarily need that exact manpage
[09:26] <^majik> I just thought it wasn't giving me any man pages, but I guess it is.  n/m
[09:26] <gangalino> where can I get python.h for warty's python2.3?
[09:26] <eazyone[PL] > kakashi: uncomment in sources.list universe repository
[09:26] <kakashi> ???
[09:26] <kakashi> im a beginner so slow pls
[09:28] <jaco_> kakashi:  sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:28] <wastrel> so how do i play a dvd on ubuntu?  i've got libdvd and mplayer and totem but when i try to play the dvd totem hangs and has to be killed and mplayer exits immediately -> what's the problem here?
[09:28] <jaco_> and delete # at the begin of line
[09:28] <klaym> how is debian's package system superior to that of, say, Suse's RPM system?
[09:29] <mjr> klaym, not significantly at least
[09:29] <icecrash> moin
[09:30] <hacim> I am trying to get my USB cd RW to be recognized so I can write a cd, any idea how I can do that in ubuntu?
[09:30] <icecrash> if anyone wants to try the x.org packages on warty, I rebuild them on warty
[09:30] <Neo_654> Does anyone know if there is a noobie HOWTO for adding apps to the application menu?  I followed the instructions for installing Nvu but it's not in the app menu.
[09:30] <icecrash> no guarantee for functionality
[09:30] <mjr> basically debian's strength has always been the large central archive where all the dependencies work together, not so much technical superiority of the deb format
[09:30] <klaym> ok. I'm just wondering if I should change from Suse to Ubuntu :P gnome doesn't look as good by default :)
[09:30] <icecrash> available at http://morpheus.fs.abpaed.tu-darmstadt.de/debian/
[09:31] <klaym> actually, Ubuntu's brown default theme is just horrible
[09:31] <hacim> how do I get my USB CDrom recognized?
[09:31] <hacim> dmesg shows USB mass storage device found at 8
[09:31] <hacim> attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi2
[09:32] <hacim> and
[09:32] <hacim> sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 32x/32x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
[09:32] <hacim> but when I right click on an ISO and choose "Write to disc" it only gives me "file" as an option, no cdrom
[09:33] <[Phaedrus] > what app are you using hacim?
[09:33] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : nautilus, just right clicking on an ISO
[09:33] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : but cdrecord -scanbus doesn't work either
[09:33] <hacim> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI dr iver.
[09:34] <[Phaedrus] > hmm... did you check the forums for any possible solutions?
[09:34] <hacim> i didn't know where to look
[09:35] <im_ka> hi
[09:35] <hacim> if I do modprobe sg, then cdrecord -scanbus sees the drive
[09:36] <im_ka> how can i restart my running vsftpd? "service vstfpd restart" doesnt work, because it doesnt find the service command
[09:36] <mirak> hi
[09:36] <mirak> anyone manage to use network in qemu ?
[09:36] <[Phaedrus] > hacim: one solution in the forum says "I told the system to mount /dev/sr0 instead of /scd0"
[09:36] <wastrel> im_ka: the service command is a redhatism i think.
[09:36] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : yea, but I am not mounting, I am burning
[09:37] <wastrel> im_ka: use /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart
[09:37] <[Phaedrus] > perhaps somewhere in nautilus there is an option to change the device?
[09:42] <wastrel> so how do i play a dvd on ubuntu?  i've got libdvd and mplayer and totem but when i try to play the dvd totem hangs and has to be killed and mplayer exits immediately -> what's the problem here?
[09:43] <wood1> How do I install Firefox 1.0 in Warty ?
[09:43] <thread> wastrel: ubuntuguide.org says to install libdvdcss2
[09:43] <thread> it says a lot of other really useful things, too
[09:44] <wastrel> thread: yes i have libdvdcss2
[09:44] <thread> don't know then..
[09:44] <thread> I might try and get totem-xine
[09:44] <thread> cuz totem-gstreamer doesn't play a lot of stuff
[09:45] <wastrel> k
[09:46] <Pluk> ati just released new drivers ready for x.org
[09:46] <seb128> wood1: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu/
[09:46] <|D|> about time
[09:46] <Pluk> yay
[09:49] <wastrel> i get errors installing totem-xine
[09:49] <xav_> what matters is how good are these new drivers
[09:51] <Scooter> anyone know the hotkey to paste text from clipboard into X-term is? cntrl-v and control-shift-v have no effect... TIA :)
[09:52] <wastrel> Scooter: try shift-insert
 thankyou i would have never guessed that :)
[09:53] <crypticreign> does evolution junk filtering work with ubuntu by default.. or do i have to install spamassasin?
[09:53] <wastrel> Scooter: it works in windows too :] 
[09:53] <Scooter> lmao
[09:53] <wastrel> Scooter: and control-insert copies
[09:53] <wastrel> fyi :] 
[09:53] <Scooter> Ah! Thankyou
[09:56] <Scooter> Hmmm, get error when copy nad paste from Firefox :/ perhaps i try Dillo insted :)
[09:56] <wastrel> sooo. no luck playing dvd yet...
[09:57] <jatos> Recently I read a post on the ubuntu forums that said debian was known for its bad support, I see what that person means
[09:57] <wastrel> tried xine and it says "error reading dvd"
[09:58] <jatos> anyone know how I would install kde?//
[09:58] <Riddell> jatos: enable the universe repository and apt-get install kde-core  (or use synaptic)
[09:59] <foursti> guys someone release FGLRX XORG into the reposotories!! they are out!!!
[09:59] <jatos> whats the dselect info for that?
[10:00] <foursti> guys someone release FGLRX XORG into the reposotories!! they are out!!!
[10:00] <Riddell> jatos: I don't know dselect, you need to edit your apt sources to include universe and install the kde-core package
[10:01] <Skwid__> foursti: ??
[10:01] <foursti> the new FGLRX drivers are out from ati that support XORG
[10:01] <foursti> they arnt in the ubuntu reposotories yet
[10:01] <foursti> they were released 10 min ago
[10:01] <foursti> !!
[10:02] <spiral> hello !
[10:02] <spiral> hmmm...
[10:03] <spiral> i patched my /etc/init.d/powernowd in order not to use powernow daemon but the kernel facilities...
[10:03] <spiral> this works great & I'dd like to know if you could use something like that to package this function
[10:03] <spiral> hmmm...
[10:04] <spiral> and ati released their drivers... how long should it take to integrate them in hoary ?
[10:04] <NanoTek_> ATI DRIVERS ARE OUT
[10:04] <spiral> NanoTek_: yep !
[10:04] <Wulf_> ati drivers produce compile warnings
[10:05] <Wulf_> pte = (tmp & 0x000000ff00000000) >> 28;
[10:05] <Wulf_> long tmp;
[10:05] <Wulf_> u32 pte;
[10:05] <Wulf_> ati sucks.
[10:05] <spiral> NanoTek_: I hope they will soon be in linux-restricted-modules
[10:06] <foursti> Wulf_, : did u get it working
[10:06] <foursti> Wulf_, i cant get it to compile
[10:06] <foursti> Wulf_, fuc!
[10:06] <spiral> may I submit my hotplugd file in order for devels to see if they can use smth like this in a package
[10:06] <spiral> ?
[10:06] <Wulf_> foursti: it compiles
[10:07] <jatos> whats the url for the universe reposetory pardon my spelling
[10:07] <Wulf_> foursti: just trying to fix the warning :)
[10:07] <spiral> hmmm... and about integrating in linux-restricted-modules ?
[10:07] <Wulf_>                 pte = ((tmp >> 28) & 0x00000ff0);
[10:07] <Wulf_>                 pte |=(tmp & 0xfffff000);
[10:08] <Wulf_> I hope this code is the same
[10:08] <foursti> Wulf_, which headers do i need
[10:09] <Wulf_> foursti: what's the problem with compiling?
[10:09] <foursti> Wulf_, i get: includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found
[10:09] <foursti> im at console everything failed
[10:09] <foursti> (x)
[10:09] <foursti> whats the package for the headers
[10:09] <foursti> i have to apt-get
[10:09] <Wulf_> foursti: install kernel headers
[10:09] <IRCMonkey> ERROR 21, does anyone know what that is?!?!?!?!?!
[10:09] <Wulf_> apt-cache search kernel-headers
[10:10] <Wulf_> IRCMonkey: what context???
[10:10] <Wulf_> [fglrx]  Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 927 MBytes.
[10:10] <Wulf_> ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A]  -> GSI 5 (level, low) -> IRQ 5
[10:10] <Wulf_> [fglrx]  module loaded - fglrx 8.8.25 [Jan 14 2005]  on minor 0
[10:10] <IRCMonkey> GRUB loading, please wait... Error 21
[10:10] <Wulf_> IRCMonkey: dunno.. have a look at the grub manual / faq
[10:10] <IRCMonkey> before anything happens
[10:10] <siretart> mjg59: may I disturb you: I'm one of the reporter of that strange load > 2 bug. You wrote the latest hoary image should have this bug fixed, but linux-image-2.6.10-2-9 does not mention it in the changelog nor does the problem seem to be fixed.
[10:11] <IRCMonkey> I tried removing the HD that ubuntu was installed on, but that didnt work
[10:11] <egressive> Hey, I have a samba problem - cannot use my old smbpasswd file with samba - I get an error indicating that the smbpasswd module is unknown?
[10:11] <mjg59> siretart: Bah.
[10:11] <siretart> mjg59: did you mean that version or an upcoming 2.6.10-2 revision 10?
[10:11] <mjg59> siretart: I'll get the maintainer to include that in -10, then
[10:11] <mjg59> Sorry about that
[10:12] <IRCMonkey> DOES ANYONE KNOW ABOUT ERROR 21?
[10:12] <siretart> mjg59: thank you very much for your effords!
[10:12] <Wulf_> IRCMonkey: RTFM!
[10:12] <IRCMonkey> what?
[10:12] <Wulf_> IRCMonkey: read the fine manual
[10:12] <IRCMonkey> where is it?
[10:12] <foursti> Wulf_, im using kernel 2.6.10-2-686 what are the headerts i need i cant install the kernel-headers-686 not working
[10:12] <Wulf_> IRCMonkey: /usr/share/doc/grub/? google:grub?
[10:13] <IRCMonkey> k
[10:13] <fabbione> siretart: sorry... i missed the patch on the bug
[10:13] <jatos> could somebody tell me the url for the universe repositary?
[10:13] <fabbione> siretart: i will apply it in the next version
[10:13] <egressive> jatos: same place as 'main'
[10:13] <foursti> nm got it
[10:13] <siretart> fabbione: never mind. I'm glad that "suspending" "fixes" it :)
[10:14] <jatos> er?
[10:14] <jatos> what do you mean... sorry if I  sound dum
[10:14] <fabbione> siretart: ehehe
[10:14] <egressive> well, what did your question mean then?
[10:14] <egressive> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe in sources.list
[10:15] <egressive> or just add the word "universe" to the end of your existing "main" line
[10:15] <Neo_654> Anyone feel like helping an Newbie Screwup?
[10:15] <egressive> Anyone know why my samba won't read smbpasswd by default?
[10:15] <pixelfairy> can you install from the live cd?
[10:15] <kent> Neo_654, whats the problem?
[10:16] <sobersabre> hi guys.
[10:16] <sobersabre> is it true ubuntu can be sent _free_ of charge anywhere ?
[10:17] <Neo_654> Kent, I accidentally click remove from panel and now I don't know how to get it back up there and not close out everytime I click the X to get it off the desktop area
[10:17] <egressive> sober: yes, that's true :-)
[10:17] <pixelfairy> sobersabre: you can send it anywhere if you want
[10:17] <foursti> Wulf_, when i do make_install dmesg gives me: unknown symbol pci_find_class
[10:18] <sobersabre> i am actually a debian user.. what is ubuntu's diff ?
[10:18] <sobersabre> i have read the site a little bit, still would like to ask interactively...
[10:18] <pixelfairy> nice installer
[10:18] <thenuke> sobersabre: umh, debian comes with no stuff installed for you
[10:18] <pixelfairy> newer stuff
[10:18] <sobersabre> thenuke, i run sarge
[10:18] <egressive> sober: more up-to-date packages, 6-monthly version update, integrated desktop with less choices by default
[10:18] <spiral> hmmm... Does anyone here know how long it should take to include latest ati drivers in linux-restricted-modules in hoary ?
[10:18] <pixelfairy> once its installed and you have what you want, not much differnce
[10:18] <thenuke> sobersabre: ubuntu is a bit modified debian which has this and that installed for you already
[10:19] <sobersabre> does it use debian apt repositories or self ?
[10:19] <egressive> sober: sarge will stabilise soon, and then not change for 5 years, probably. Ubuntu will update every 6 months, in a stable manner (i.e. not sid)
[10:19] <foursti> Wulf_, when i do make_install dmesg gives me: unknown symbol pci_find_class
[10:19] <sobersabre> egg
[10:19] <sobersabre> hmm
[10:19] <egressive> ubuntu uses its own repositories, and don't be tempted to mix in the debian ones, because you might cause breakages
[10:19] <sobersabre> :)
[10:19] <sobersabre> tried to autocomplete egressive
[10:20] <Neo_654> Kent did you see what I need help with?
[10:20] <Wulf_> foursti: yeah.. please apply the patch
[10:20] <kent> Neo_654, yes..  but what did you remove?  the menu?
[10:20] <Wulf_> foursti: http://wulf.eu.org/ati-fglrx.patch
[10:21] <foursti> ty
[10:21] <NanoTek> Ati is a big s***
[10:21] <Neo_654> Kent, the little yellow guy.  That would sign me on as soon as I logged into gnome.  Now if I create a new launcher it will sign off when I click the X and not stay connected
[10:22] <foursti> no  S***:|P
[10:22] <NanoTek> I've installed the drivers
[10:22] <foursti> hows the preformance?
[10:22] <Cube-ness> grrr!! what is with the kernel since 2.6.9 series on?  panics at hotsync startup.
[10:22] <[euphori] > hi all
[10:22] <NanoTek> and I don't know why but Mesa is used for opengl
[10:22] <NanoTek> I can't use Ati drivers for opengl
[10:23] <jatos> kde ain't there
[10:23] <sobersabre> btw ... how is ubuntu acpi/power laptop support ?
[10:23] <[euphori] > can help me please, when im try to conect whitch gnome-ppp im have this error: ppp not enable ???
[10:23] <foursti> Wulf_, how do i apply that patch i forget?
[10:23] <foursti> Wulf_, ie: whats the command
[10:23] <sobersabre> i mean kernel, soft suspend, etc.
[10:23] <[euphori] > im have my user in dip group
[10:24] <Riddell> jatos: what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[10:24] <[euphori] > im see the forum, google and nothind :(
[10:24] <miketech> Hi
[10:24] <Wulf_> foursti: patch -p0 < /path/to/ati-fglrx.patch
[10:24] <daniels> (for reference, I'm working on packaging the new fglrx drivers.)
[10:25] <miketech> one question: Do you know what grub error 18 means? I wanted to install ubuntu, but grub isn?t starting, only error18 is displaye
[10:25] <spiral> daniels: hmmm... so they could be integrated in linux-restricted-modules ?
[10:25] <daniels> spi	yes
[10:25] <jatos> wait
[10:25] <jatos> I may add I have put Synaptic onto unvierse
[10:26] <spiral> daniels: the spiyes means yes to my question ?
[10:26] <spiral> daniels: how long do you think this will take you ?
[10:26] <daniels> spiral: yah
[10:26] <spiral> daniels: I hope you'll manage :-)
[10:26] <[euphori] > im come bak later bye all
[10:26] <daniels> spiral: not too long.  it was already packaged, but they thoughtfully rebuilt the rpms, so my dsl is just choking on the new packages now.
[10:27] <spiral> daniels: ok... they are quite boring :-)
[10:27] <jatos> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:27] <jatos> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:27] <jatos> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:27] <jatos> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:27] <jatos> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:27] <jatos> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:27] <jatos> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:27] <jatos> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:28] <jatos> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:28] <jatos> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:28] <jatos> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:28] <jatos> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:28] <jatos> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:28] <jatos> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[10:28] <fabbione> whops
[10:28] <JoePenguin> haha
[10:28] <spiral> fabbione: :-)
[10:28] <fabbione> BX kick msgs are evil
[10:28] <spiral> daniels: and once it will be packaged... I don't know very well the package release system... But will it soon become apt-get -u dist-upgradable ?
[10:29] <hacim> when doing an install ubuntu doesn't see the built-in wireless on my X40, should I bypass network config and just continue installation?
[10:30] <daniels> spiral: yeah
[10:30] <spiral> daniels: nice :-) With any hope I'll soon be able to play tuxracer again :-)
[10:30] <larsrohdin> how to mount fat-filesystem in ubuntu? ive, run mount -tvfat /dev/hda6 /mnt/share... but when i try to open the folders they disappear... whats wrong?
[10:30] <eddy> whats defualt root pass?
[10:30] <thenuke> eddy: none
[10:31] <spiral> eddy: use sudo
[10:31] <thenuke> eddy: use sudo if you need root access
[10:31] <robertj> mozilla calendar takes a very, very, very long time to build
[10:31] <Einzelganger> I have a printer on a network to which I can print just fine with "lp -h server-ip file". If I want to add a network (ipp) printer with "gnome-cups-add", it demands I select the printer driver (that doesn't seem right). Even if I select the printer, it still refuses to work (in gnome that is, command line works fine)
[10:31] <Scooter> is xfterm4 the name of gnome Terminal program? I seem to get xterm to open insted when i do xfterm4 on commandline.
[10:31] <eddy> how do i do that?
[10:31] <thenuke> eddy: for example, sudo fdisk
[10:31] <Pluk> yay finallu x.org! :D
[10:31] <eddy> ohh
[10:31] <eddy> i just want to be able to install some thing using apt.
[10:31] <thenuke> eddy: and if you need to be root for a bit more than for a just few commands, sudo -s gives you root shell
[10:31] <spiral> Scooter: gnome-terminal
[10:31] <eddy> ok
[10:32] <Scooter> Thanks spiral
[10:32] <Pluk> too bad no speed improvement
[10:32] <eddy> thanks nuke.
[10:32] <thenuke> eddy: happy to help you
[10:32] <spiral> thenuke: does this system improve security ?
[10:32] <larsrohdin> anyone?
[10:32] <thenuke> spiral: sure
[10:33] <Scooter> WOOT it works! Thanks again  Thanks spiral!
[10:33] <spiral> thenuke: I can't see how... If the root's password is secure...
[10:33] <spiral> Scooter: :-)
[10:33] <thenuke> spiral: and I am not that pro so I could tell you why is improves security :P
[10:33] <larsrohdin> can anyone help me?
[10:33] <thenuke> spiral: I just believe those who know =)
[10:34] <spiral> thenuke: ok... I hoped you'd know.. because I'm still hesitating :-)
[10:34] <sabdfl> shiny new wifi activity monitor!
[10:34] <thenuke> :-) and of course you are able to give password for root if you just want to
[10:34] <sabdfl> or did i just forget to log out for a week or three ;-)
[10:34] <jatos> sorry about that flood of messages something went wrong with my client
[10:35] <thenuke> but there really might not be use for that
[10:35] <fabbione> jatos: just be a bit more careful next time
[10:35] <jatos> ok
[10:35] <xevil> larsrohdin what is your question?
[10:35] <thenuke> because the sudo -s might be easier than logging in with root
[10:35] <fabbione> thanks
[10:35] <jatos> wait...
[10:36] <jatos> brb
[10:36] <larsrohdin> how to mount fat-filesystem in ubuntu? ive, run mount -tvfat /dev/hda6 /mnt/share... but when i try to open the folders they disappear... whats wrong?
[10:36] <Hwolf> Damn. I just upgraded to hoary, and I got some errors
[10:36] <thenuke> spiral: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:36] <thenuke> spiral: ...Benefits of this model
[10:36] <benkong2> hey what is wrong when I run, from a terminal gdesklets gdeskcal I get could not add to display because the file does not exist. I downloaded it and there is a .gdeskcal in my home directory
[10:37] <benkong2> wastrel;  hey what is wrong when I run, from a terminal gdesklets gdeskcal I get could not add to display because the file does not exist. I downloaded it and there is a .gdeskcal in my home directory
[10:37] <wastrel> benkong2: i dunno i don't use gdesklets
[10:37] <Kano> hi
[10:37] <JoePenguin> Kano: Hi!
[10:37] <benkong2> wastrel; k thanks
[10:37] <Kano> how is the X.org executeble called?
[10:37] <hacim> on install with thinkpad x40 ubuntu doesn't detect wireless adaptor
[10:38] <Kano> the similar thing to XFree86
[10:38] <Kano> i want to detect it...
[10:38] <jatos2> for some reason my gui repeats a key press every so often
[10:39] <larsrohdin> hey where did xevil gp?
[10:39] <larsrohdin> go
[10:39] <JoePenguin> Kano: i can find out in about 2 minutes
[10:40] <wastrel> i'm trying to get dvd playing working.  i've installed libdvdcss2 but mplayer quits immediately, and totem-xine gives me an error.
[10:40] <wastrel> anyone know how to troubleshoot this?
[10:40] <jatos2> also for person who wanted to see the message that my irc client decided to send 10+ times is my sources.list
[10:40] <Kano> JoePenguin: show me: ls -l $(which X)
[10:40] <spiral> thenuke: thanks
[10:40] <thenuke> no problem at all
[10:40] <JoePenguin> wastrel: mplayer quits without any userful error message?
[10:41] <JoePenguin> Kano: /usr/bin/X11/X
[10:41] <wastrel> JoePenguin: it says Exiting... (End of file)
[10:41] <JoePenguin> wastrel: how did you invoke it?
[10:41] <wastrel> JoePenguin: mplayer /dev/dvd
[10:41] <JoePenguin> wastrel: try mplayer dvd://1
[10:41] <Kano> JoePenguin: is there something else in that dir?
[10:41] <Kano> like Xorg
[10:41] <Kano> or so
[10:42] <JoePenguin> Kano: Xorg
[10:42] <Kano> which Xorg
[10:42] <wastrel> JoePenguin: Unable to open URL: dvd://1
[10:42] <Kano> does return it - doesnt it?
[10:42] <JoePenguin> wastrel: same dir
[10:42] <daniels> Kano: /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg
[10:43] <wastrel> JoePenguin: ?  i'm in the same dir when issuing both commands is that what you mean?
[10:43] <Kano> thank you
[10:43] <Kano> thats all what i need for the script for new ati drivers
[10:43] <JoePenguin> Kano: /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg and /usr/bin/X11/Xorg are hard-linked
[10:44] <jatos2> oh while I am here is possible to ubuntu to login into an account on a computer on my network?
[10:44] <JoePenguin> jatos2: You can run sshd on a remote host and then use the ssh client on the local host
[10:44] <JoePenguin> jatos2: ssh is Secure Shell
[10:44] <jatos2> I know
[10:44] <JoePenguin> ok, does that answer your question?
[10:45] <jatos2> I don't want to use ssh I actually want the profile to be loaded on the local machine - or would involve some editing of the linux source?
[10:45] <wastrel> terminal server client?  vnc?  x forwarding?
[10:46] <jatos2> ok, let me ask another question, what file handles the logins?
[10:47] <jatos2> anyone know?
[10:47] <spiral> jatos2: usernames ? /etc/passwd
[10:47] <jatos2> aha thanks...
[10:47] <jatos2> be back some other time I going to do some fiddling in my shell
[10:48] <wastrel> don't edit /etc/passwd directly
[10:48] <wastrel> use vipw
[10:49] <wfx> backports are stable?
[10:49] <larsrohdin> /etc/fstab is read-only, how to change?
[10:49] <larsrohdin> i need to edit fstab... help
[10:50] <wastrel> larsrohdin: are you using sudo ?  it should be writable for superuser
[10:50] <wfx> larsrohdin: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[10:50] <larsrohdin> ok, ill try..
[10:50] <wastrel> JoePenguin: any other ideas on getting dvd playing working?
[10:50] <larsrohdin> works! tanks again
[10:51] <wfx> wastrel: dvd probs?
[10:51] <theDragon> hi
[10:51] <wastrel> wfx: yes - mplayer exits immediately, totem-gstreamer hangs and has to be killed, totem-xine throws an error.
[10:52] <HrdwrBoB> what errro
[10:52] <HrdwrBoB> error
[10:52] <wastrel> sec
[10:53] <wastrel> HrdwrBoB: Totem could not play 'file:///dev/dvd'.  There is no plugin to handle this movie.
[10:53] <wfx> wastrel: do you also test plain xine (totem is for me a big bug)
[10:53] <theDragon> question: when I go into synaptic and click on 'mark all upgrades' then apply, it tells me that lots of my software is going to be removed, including my main desktop manager. why is htis?
[10:53] <HrdwrBoB> wastrel: is that with totem-xine ?
[10:53] <HrdwrBoB> oh
[10:53] <willis_> HrdwrBoB, just install xine-ui
[10:53] <HrdwrBoB> wastrel: yes that's wrong
[10:53] <wastrel> HrdwrBoB: yes that's with totem-xine
[10:53] <HrdwrBoB> wastrel: totem dvd://
[10:53] <HrdwrBoB> you can't play the device
[10:54] <wastrel> wfx: yes - xine says "there's no demuxer plugin available to handle /dev/dvd"
[10:54] <wastrel> HrdwrBoB: k...
[10:55] <wastrel> HrdwrBoB: totem dvd://  starts and runs the fbi warning then pops an error
[10:55] <wfx> do youe have css
[10:55] <wastrel> HrdwrBoB: "an error occurred the source seems encrypted"
[10:55] <wastrel> wfx: i installed libdvdcss2
[10:55] <theDragon> question: when I go into synaptic and click on 'mark all upgrades' then apply, it tells me that lots of my software is going to be removed, including my main desktop manager. why is htis?
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> theDragon: this is because you're using hoary
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> and/or unofficial sources
[10:55] <theDragon> oooh, I see
[10:55] <theDragon> makes sense
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> some of the packages have changed in such a way that they no longer 'work'
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> so it's intelligently removing them
[10:56] <theDragon> I see... so how can I get about this?
[10:56] <wastrel> wfx: i have libdvdcss2 1.2.8-woody0.0
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> with a bit of poking about
[10:56] <wastrel> according to apt-cache policy
[10:56] <wastrel> is that right?
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> you can work out what is causing it
[10:56] <theDragon> hm ok...
[10:57] <Wulf_> foursti: graphic drivers work! I'm able to play WoW in cedega :)
[10:57] <HrdwrBoB> theDragon: put the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade on pastebin.com if you want me to have a look
[10:57] <HrdwrBoB> Wulf_: excellent, I run it at home, works very well :)
[10:57] <HrdwrBoB> wastrel: that seems wrong
[10:57] <HrdwrBoB> wastrel: where did you get that from
[10:58] <HrdwrBoB> oh actually, no, that's fine
[10:58] <wastrel> HrdwrBoB: apt... i have universe and multiverse but also marillat
[10:59] <CameronKennethKn> how's everyone today?
[10:59] <theDragon> actually, its not tooo big a deal, since I am using Linux as a secondary OS, but thx anyways
[10:59] <theDragon> I am gonna see if I can get it myself
[10:59] <HrdwrBoB> wastrel: do you have libdvdread3
[10:59] <wfx> wastrel: the error means that file format was not recognized (im stilll searching)...
[11:00] <HrdwrBoB> theDragon: that's a good way to learn :) if you want a hand, let me know
[11:00] <theDragon> sure
[11:00] <jackmacokc> hi all
[11:00] <wastrel> HrdwrBoB: libdvdread3 0.9.4-4
[11:00] <theDragon> oh yes, also... if I want to install a new kernel (from i386 to i686), will that mess anything up?
[11:00] <HrdwrBoB> wastrel: try mplayer
[11:00] <jackmacokc> i downloaded a set of icons, but i dont know how to load them. can anyone help me out?
[11:00] <caldwell> has anyone here had issues with the evolution calendar connecting via the exchange connector?
[11:00] <HrdwrBoB> just anyway
[11:00] <HrdwrBoB> mplayer dvd://
[11:00] <larsrohdin> i cant get fstab to mount my fat filesystems on boot... whats wrong?
[11:00] <larsrohdin> /dev/hda6	/mnt/share	vfat	noatime,umask=0222	0 0
[11:01] <wastrel> HrdwrBoB: Unable to open URL: dvd://
[11:01] <HrdwrBoB> wastrel: do you have a DVD drive, and what's the device name
[11:02] <wastrel> HrdwrBoB: well it's supposed to be cdrw/dvd :]   haven't tried it in windows yet.
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> mplayer -dvd-device /dev/hdc dvd://
[11:02] <wastrel> HrdwrBoB: cdrom0 i believe
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> ahh
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> yeah that's the problem
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> it's not detected as a dvd device
[11:02] <larsrohdin> does anyone know whats wrong with this?
[11:02] <larsrohdin> : cdrom0 i believe
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[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> and as such, doesn't have a /dev/dvd symlink
[11:02] <larsrohdin> what?
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> larsrohdin: with what
[11:02] <larsrohdin> /dev/hda6 /mnt/share vfat noatime,umask=0222 0 0
[11:02] <wastrel> HrdwrBoB: /dev/dvd is pointing to hdc
[11:03] <larsrohdin> in fstab
[11:03] <wfx> -dvd-device /media/cdrom0
[11:03] <HrdwrBoB> larsrohdin: does it not mount
[11:03] <larsrohdin> nope
[11:03] <HrdwrBoB> wfx: that's not right
[11:03] <HrdwrBoB> wfx: that's the mount point
[11:03] <HrdwrBoB> larsrohdin: what does mount say
[11:04] <wastrel> Unknown option on the command line: dvd-device
[11:04] <larsrohdin> what?
[11:04] <HrdwrBoB> larsrohdin: sudo mount /mnt/share
[11:04] <HrdwrBoB> what does it say
[11:04] <larsrohdin> it works if i type it in a terminal
[11:04] <HrdwrBoB> wastrel: apt-get update; apt-get install mplayer
[11:04] <spiral> daniels: does it work ?
[11:04] <wfx> sorry so: mplayer -dvd-device /WHERE/THE/DEVICE/IS (take a look on fstab)
[11:04] <HrdwrBoB> wfx: yes
[11:05] <wfx> ;)
[11:05] <HrdwrBoB> larsrohdin: but it doesn't automount?
[11:05] <larsrohdin> no
[11:05] <ogra> spiral: if it doesnt, he will make it work, be sure :)
[11:05] <spiral> ogra: I hope so :-)
[11:05] <wfx> ogra hi ;)
[11:05] <ogra> spiral: if he cant make a X thing work, nobody can :)
[11:06] <wastrel> HrdwrBoB: mplayer is a virtual package, there's a list of several to choose from.  i've got mplayer-custom installed currently
[11:06] <ogra> wfx: hi :)
[11:06] <spiral> ogra: ouah... This sounds nice :-)
[11:07] <ogra> spiral: he is one of the guys that made xorg happen.....
[11:07] <jackmacokc> i'm back -- sorry..system froze shortly after i asked my last question
[11:07] <wfx> is xorg avail?
[11:07] <spiral> ogra: ouah... nice :-)
[11:07] <Hwolf> damn, i'm fucked
[11:07] <jackmacokc> now i cant remember what i asked? can anyone paste it for me?
[11:08] <ogra> spiral: so he will surely make it, just give him the necessary time needed ...
[11:08] <larsrohdin> ok, nevermind that... good programs to play mp3-files in?
[11:08] <spiral> ogra: all right, I'll be patient... :-)
[11:08] <Hwolf> Does anyone here know the pain of dpgk crashing in the middle of a dist-upgrade?
[11:08] <wastrel> larsrohdin: i use xmms
[11:08] <wfx> jackmacokc: it was a icon question
[11:09] <jackmacokc> wfx: oh right, thanks..i went brain dead
[11:10] <daniels> spiral: yeah, it's been working during the week, but they just released a new build last night
[11:10] <lupus_> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[11:10] <wfx> hwy does nautilus so often crash?
[11:10] <daniels> spiral: so my connection's been choking on it
[11:10] <lupus_>   Load    "glx" is not commented out
[11:10] <lupus_> using nvidia drivers
[11:10] <jackmacokc> so, could anyone tell me how i can change icon sets?
[11:10] <lupus_> any ideas?
[11:10] <daniels> lupus_: check your Xorg.0.log
[11:10] <spiral> daniels: all right... With all ogra told about you, I'm sure you'll handle it :-)
[11:11] <wastrel> jackmacokc: computer->desktop preferences->themes
[11:11] <GammaRay> wfx: if you actually want to find out, I'd suggest running it in a debugger (after recompiling it w/ debugging support)
[11:11] <willis_> jackmacokc, the themes dialog is broken for icons instead untar them into ~/.icons
[11:11] <wastrel> ah i wasn't aware
[11:11] <spiral> hmmm... does anyone here know how to solve utf8 problems in kde on hoary ?
[11:11] <GammaRay> wfx: it's been pretty stable here
[11:11] <macewan> gdesklets are fun fun
[11:12] <jackmacokc> willis_: thanks, i'm not sure how to do that..could you give me the command line?
[11:12] <willis_> jackmacokc, and then you can select it
[11:12] <wfx> GammaRay: it would be nice if there a debug enabled nautilus avail (for me it is not stable)
[11:12] <larsrohdin> wastrel: can i install that with apt?
[11:12] <willis_> jackmacokc, tar -zxvf
[11:12] <jackmacokc> willis_, thanks!
[11:13] <GammaRay> wfx: if I can remember enough I might be able to make one...
[11:13] <ironwolf> ok, kind of a user question, but is there a template/form in openoffice for 10 up business cards ala fedex-kinkos setup? 2x3.5 ?  I don't see it listed i the business card area
[11:13] <jackmacokc> willis_, it has a gz extension....do i just unzip it first?
[11:14] <Riddell> spiral: which amarok patch has been included in hoary?
[11:14] <Riddell> spiral: what are the utf8 problems?
[11:14] <lupus_> (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[11:14] <lupus_>         compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.6629
[11:14] <lupus_> seems to be loaded
[11:14] <lupus_> (II) Loading extension GLX
[11:14] <spiral> Riddell: maybe these are your patches, I don't know, but when I dist-upgraded, I got amarok updated from hoary...
[11:14] <jackmacokc> willis_, nm..i figured it out..thx
[11:15] <Riddell> spiral: what version?
[11:15] <wastrel> larsrohdin: ubuntuguide.org
[11:15] <spiral> Riddell: 1.2beta3... as the one you build
[11:15] <willis_> jackmacokc, sorry i was away, i'm glad you figured it out, i'm waiting for them to fix the theme manager for icons
[11:15] <spiral> Riddell: for the utf8 problem... I'm a french user... And if I set my locale to utf8@euro...
[11:16] <spiral> and I type for example "" on a kde app...
[11:16] <spiral> I get something like a "A~" for example
[11:16] <Riddell> spiral: interesting, amarok beta3 is in there but there's no build log
[11:16] <vpalle> how does ubuntu handle .Xresources .Xdefaults.. its ignoring my ~/.Xdefaults
[11:16] <Riddell> spiral: what does running `locale` on konsole say?
[11:16] <spiral> Riddell: strange...
[11:16] <Hwolf> Well, we can safely say the upgrade path to hoary messed me up.
[11:17] <jackmacokc> willis_, well i thought i had it..i got it unzipped with gzip..but i cant seem to untar it. i must be doing something wrong
[11:17] <spiral> Riddell: it says the name of the utf8locale...
[11:17] <wfx> GammaRay: can you write down what i need to compile nautilus (it crash each gnome session :/ )
[11:17] <spacey`ki> is gnoppix the same as the ubuntu live cd that get shipped?
[11:17] <spiral> fr_FR.UTF-8@euro
[11:17] <lupus_> daniels, dri is disabled but I'm using nvidia driver (not nv) and glx is loaded
[11:17] <acidBurn> Hey guys!
[11:17] <willis_> jackmacokc, place the .tgz file in the ~/.icons directory
[11:18] <acidBurn> I need some help installing linux on my compy.
[11:18] <willis_> jackmacokc, then type tar -zxvf [file] 
[11:18] <spiral> Riddell: fr_FR.UTF-8@euro
[11:18] <acidBurn> I have a partition software that came w my compy that won't partition my compy w/out first formatting it.
[11:18] <acidBurn> I was wondering if it is possible to partition the computer for ubuntu w/out losing information.
[11:19] <wastrel> dvd no play help pls.
[11:19] <thenuke> acidBurn: umm, do are you running windows now?
[11:19] <acidBurn> Yeah.
[11:19] <Riddell> spiral: hmm, dunno, why would a utf8 locale need a euro?
[11:19] <thenuke> ookey, you are able to resize your partitions
[11:19] <Hwolf> daniels, how do I see if I'm running x.org?
[11:19] <acidBurn> I hear that the actual installation is pretty simple, once I'm through w partitioning it.
[11:19] <thenuke> with partition magic for example
[11:20] <thenuke> it is
[11:20] <larsrohdin> wastrel: yes, it says sudo apt-get install xmms, but when i type it, it says that the package doesn't exist anymore...
[11:20] <spiral> Riddell: don't know either... but I've got the same problem with the same locale without the "euro" suffix
[11:20] <acidBurn> Does partition magic fit on a disk, so I can boot the computer w/it?
[11:20] <wastrel> larsrohdin: did you read about adding extra repositories to your sources.list?
[11:20] <jackmacokc> willis_, ok got it to expand finally
[11:20] <jackmacokc> now what?
[11:20] <daniels> Hwolf: run xdpyinfo, see if it says XFree86 or X.Org
[11:20] <pablov> hi all
[11:21] <willis_> jackmacokc, now open up the theme manager and it should be under icons
[11:21] <acidBurn> My computer will actually boot from cd, as well, but I'll be installing ubuntu linux from cd.
[11:21] <willis_> jackmacokc, the only part of the theme manager that's broken is the installation of icon themes
[11:21] <larsrohdin> no=)
[11:21] <lupus_> nvidia-glx is already the newest version.
[11:21] <jackmacokc> willis_, got it! thanks
[11:21] <acidBurn> thenuke: DOes partition magic partition the computer w/out causing loss of information.
[11:21] <acidBurn> ?
[11:21] <willis_> acidBurn, the linux system rescue cd has a safe ntfsresize-enabled qtparted tool on it
[11:22] <thenuke> acidBurn: yes
[11:22] <willis_> acidBurn, it's a small 100 mb iso, and it works like a charm
[11:22] <wastrel> acidBurn:
[11:22] <jackmacokc> i have another question about grip, anyone a grip guru
[11:22] <wastrel> Go here, download and burn a system rescue CD:  www.sysresccd.org
[11:22] <wastrel> Then go here and follow the instructions:  http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html#example
[11:22] <yokomo_> is there a way to look at kernel panics and or system hangs?
[11:22] <GammaRay> wfx: the basic thing goes like this: 1) apt-get source nautilus 2> cd nautilus*/ 3) dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -rfakeroot
[11:22] <acidBurn> willis: Does it not delete information on my computer before partitioning it?
[11:22] <GammaRay> wfx: you have to change export CFLAGS=-g somewhere in there
[11:23] <willis_> acidBurn, no it resizes the partitions, a defragment before hand wouldn't hurt though
[11:23] <willis_> wastrel, nice team work!
[11:23] <GammaRay> wfx: that's the tricky part actually. you might have to edit the makefile or the rules file.
[11:23] <Hwolf> You know, it rather sucks to have dpgk crash twice after a dist-upgrade.
[11:24] <Riddell> spiral: can you explain the problem again?  if you type an accented character on the keyboard it ends up in (say kate) as a different character?
[11:24] <pablov> i am from free software group of spain and i want too many cds of ubuntu to give anyone at a Install PArty, have someone any idea of how we get it??
[11:24] <lupus_> brb
[11:24] <lupus_> think I found it
[11:24] <spiral> Riddell: yeah, exactly... when I type "", I get something like "A~"
[11:24] <wastrel> mmmm.
[11:24] <GammaRay> wfx: I'm going to try myself
[11:24] <yokomo_> pablov, cuantos discos?
[11:24] <GammaRay> wfx: oh and you also have to prevent the binary from being stripped
[11:25] <Riddell> spiral: does gedit do any better?
[11:25] <spiral> Riddell: yeah... & every gnome application...
[11:25] <pablov> jejeje mi ingles es pesimo..
[11:25] <spiral> Riddell: so I think that it might only be related to kde... But I don't know what to do
[11:25] <pablov> pos muchos, en realidad todo los q puedan pasarnos
[11:25] <chue> sladen: hi, can you help me with a change to cpufreq-detect.sh?
[11:25] <wfx> GammaRay: must i fix the dependencies
[11:26] <pablov> he rellenado el formulario de la web... hoy, pero no se si por esa via lo tendran en cuenta y tal..
[11:26] <GammaRay> wfx: depends on where the bug is
[11:26] <yokomo_> pablov, lo mejor es descargar (mi espanol es pesimo)
[11:26] <acidBurn> wastrel: Thank you. That seams like it is going to be very helpful.
[11:26] <yokomo_> el imagen
[11:26] <yokomo_> y hacer copias
[11:26] <Riddell> spiral: I'm afraid I'm out of ideas, if the keyboard is set right (and it must be or gnome would complain) kde applications should be happy with any character
[11:26] <wastrel> acidBurn: that's what i used when i repartitioned my laptop a few days ago :] 
[11:26] <acidBurn> wastrel: Just one problem. What cd burning software burns ISOs?
[11:27] <pablov> ya, bueno el tema de las copias es pq es mas facil de convencer a la gente..
[11:27] <wastrel> acidBurn: in windows?  i have no idea :] 
[11:27] <wfx> GammaRay: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: cdbs libpopt-dev (>= 1.5) ....
[11:27] <spiral> Riddell: it's been a few weeks since I didn't try it... Maybe is it fixed... Once I'll have some time, I'll try again...
[11:27] <yokomo_> no se si es posible ordernar copias
[11:27] <spiral> Riddell: and if it still fails, I'll post a bug description to bugzilla
[11:28] <Riddell> spiral: good plan
[11:28] <spiral> Riddell: :-)
[11:28] <sladen> chue: yup, what's the crack?
[11:28] <wastrel> isn't "acidburn" from that movie "hackers" ?
[11:28] <lupus_> still not working :(
[11:28] <willis_> acidBurn, http://www.petri.co.il/how_to_write_iso_files_to_cd.htm
[11:28] <acidBurn> willis: does the program in the urubuntu cd that does partitioning not cause data loss?
[11:28] <jackmacokc> does anyone know a good reference for LAME command paramaters?
[11:28] <GammaRay> wfx: those deps are required to build
[11:29] <chue> sladen: well, i got the details in the bugzilla, #5361
[11:29] <acidBurn> wastrel: Yeah. I love that movies. It's one of my big time favorites.
[11:29] <willis_> acidBurn, ntfsresize used by qtparted only resizes partitions, it shouldn't let you make it smaller then the ammount of data on the partition, so in that case no data loss
[11:29] <wastrel> acidBurn: we have ZzeCoOl in here who i keep thinking of as "zero cool"
[11:29] <chue> sladen: basically, its a P4 laptop that uses the speedstep-ich module
[11:29] <acidBurn> wastrel: And you didn't have to format your laptop?
[11:29] <vpalle> how do i authorize a user to run a second X server?
[11:29] <wfx> GammaRay: dpkg-buildpackage does it not do for me
[11:30] <wastrel> acidBurn: i used qtparted to shrink it- i had a lot of free space.  didn't have a problem.  then used the empty space to create new linux partitions.
[11:30] <lupus_> daniels, (EE) GLX is not supported with the Composite extension could this be the source of the problem?
[11:31] <mjr> vpalle, just open a new login from the system tools menu
[11:31] <daniels> lupus_: er yeah
[11:31] <lupus_> composite disables the glx module?
[11:31] <acidBurn> wastrel: qtpartel. Is that on the website link you gave me, or on the ubuntu installation cd? I'm confused.
[11:32] <vpalle> mjr, i need it in a script.. startx ./quake.x86 -- :2
[11:32] <daniels> lupus_: yeah, unless you do Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" or whatever
[11:32] <willis_> acidBurn, qtparted is on the system rescue cd
[11:32] <GammaRay> wfx: any errors?
[11:32] <lupus_> k
[11:32] <acidBurn> willis: Thank you.
[11:32] <lupus_> brb :)
[11:32] <acidBurn> willis: u r a pal.
[11:32] <wastrel> qtparted is on the sysresccd site
[11:32] <wfx> GammaRay: dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.
[11:33] <HauntedUnix> Anyone got a nice FAQ about how to 'theme' GDM? :-)
[11:33] <GammaRay> wfx: you need to apt-get install those earlier deps
[11:33] <lupus_> yes :D
[11:33] <lupus_> working
[11:33] <wastrel> argh.  any suggestions on getting my DVD drive working?  I have libdvdcss2 installed but xine, totem-xine, mplayer and ogle are all unable to play dvd's
[11:34] <spiral> hmmm... goodbye
[11:34] <spiral> 'm going to sleep :-)
[11:34] <spiral> thanks for your help
[11:35] <willis_> wastrel, how about libdvdread3 libdvdplay0?
[11:35] <willis_> wastrel, they can't hurt
[11:35] <wastrel> willis_: i have them both
[11:35] <wfx> GammaRay: so i need to intall 15MB
[11:36] <acidBurn> wastrel and willis: is the system rescue cd the same as the install cd?
[11:36] <willis_> wastrel, and i'm assuming you have a sym link to /dev/dvd
[11:36] <dud> g'morning folks
[11:36] <willis_> acidBurn, no they're two different cds, one is for preparing the system (system rescue) the other is for install ubuntu (ubuntu install cd)
[11:36] <wastrel> acidBurn: no you have to download the system rescue cd from http://www.sysresccd.org
[11:36] <acidBurn> Oh. Ok. :-)
[11:36] <wastrel> willis_: /dev/dvd points to /dev/hdc
[11:37] <willis_> wastrel, how about permissions on the link?
[11:37] <wastrel> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            3 2005-01-17 14:41 /dev/dvd -> hdc
[11:38] <vpalle> hello there, how do i authorize a user to run a second X server? im getting X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. when running startx -- :2
[11:38] <Pluk> wastrel, whats the msg you get when you do: mplayer dvd:// in a terminal
[11:38] <willis_> wastrel, hmm how about the gstreamer dvd package?
[11:39] <wastrel> willis_: i don't have that.   installing...
[11:39] <willis_> wastrel, it's a shot in the dark, but mays well
[11:39] <foursti> how do i apply a .patch file? whats the command / whats the syntax
[11:39] <willis_> wastrel, oh and how about the w32codecs etc.. for actually decoding streams, or can you not even access dvds?
[11:39] <Pluk> foursti, patch -p1 < patchfile
[11:40] <Pluk> .. -p1 can be be -p0 or higher also
[11:40] <wastrel> willis_: that's installed
[11:40] <Pluk> man patch
[11:40] <wastrel> Pluk: i get Unabled to open URL: dvd://
[11:41] <Pluk> sure you dvdplayer is /dev/hdc ?
[11:41] <wfx> GammaRay: ok i vim the makefile
[11:41] <Pluk> as in master on the 2nd ide controller
[11:41] <blair> Does anyone know how to show PCI busID's
[11:41] <blair> ?
[11:41] <willis_> lspci?
[11:42] <willis_> wastrel, also i just noticed libdvdnav4 but i'm assuming you have that
[11:42] <blair> I need it to show in the "00:00:00" format so I can configure xfree86
[11:42] <foursti> i get an error when running make_install for fglrx (newer one): what should i do            unknow symbol in module, or unknown parameter
[11:42] <wastrel> willis_: yes i have that
[11:42] <willis_> blair, try the hal-device-manager
[11:43] <vpalle> guess this is one for the forums :)
[11:44] <willis_> vpalle, yeah sorry i have no idea
[11:44] <blair> It doesn't show the id's, or in the correct format anyway
[11:44] <blair> I tried stopping the x server, and using "XFree86 -scanpci", but I get an error about a log file
[11:44] <foursti> how do i apply a .patch file? whats the command / whats the syntax
[11:44] <foursti> i get an error when running make_install for fglrx (newer one): what should i do            unknow symbol in module, or unknown parameter
[11:45] <wastrel> ok l8r thanks for the suggestions..  i'm going to boot into 'doze and see if my dvd works
[11:46] <willis_> blair, what's the error with the log file?
[11:46] <hacim> i just installed ubuntu... the gnome sounds seem to work (startup sound, bonk noises when clicking things), but when i play a CD or something through rhythmbox nothing is plaied
[11:46] <hacim> played
[11:46] <acidBurn> hey guys... I'm leaving to go to the gym, but thanks for all your help. :-)
[11:47] <willis_> acidBurn, good luck getting it working
[11:48] <blair> can't remember of the top of my head, something about unable to move ----- log file
[11:48] <blair> I am trying to get a Radeon card working on a motherboard with Intergrated graphics
[11:48] <willis_> blair, scanpci seems to be the way to go, unless you can translate the lspci id's into what you need, which you should be able to
[11:49] <Hwolf> Hoary installed about 120 extra packages on my system. Still trying to figure out what, and why.
[11:49] <blair> I'm sure it's possible, I just don't know how
[11:49] <willis_> actually the 0x234 id the hal-device-manager puts out i think will work in a Xfree config
[11:49] <rexec> does anybody know why the bluez bluetooth-package in ubuntu can't find any devices by default but other devices is able to find the ubuntu-box
[11:50] <rexec> ?
[11:51] <hacim> when gnome starts I get the sound, but when I try to play a CD no sound plays, it seems like gnome captured the sound
[11:51] <willis_> hacim, are you using the gnome cd player or rhythmbox?
[11:52] <Lethorion> anyone gotten a bluetooth keyboard working with ubuntu?
[11:52] <blair> so which part of the id should I use?
[11:52] <rexec> Lethorion: are you using bluez?
[11:52] <vpalle> I recommend getting a hardware mixer.. the linux sound servers are not wortwhile..
[11:53] <Lethorion> rexec; I havn't started yet... wanted to see if anyone gotten it to work before I start hehe
[11:53] <willis_> blair, good question i have no idea
[11:54] <rexec> Lethorion: i'm trying to get bluetooth working, but apparently ubuntu doesn't like it
[11:55] <Lethorion> rexec; I have gotten ubuntu to find the keyboard but didn't seem like it was exciting enough to pair with...
[11:55] <wfx> GammaRay: the readme say i need the hole gnome to build nautilus :-) btw it is compiling now
[11:56] <vpalle> if anyones interested /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config controls the authorization.. man Xwrapper.config
[11:56] <hacim> I installed ubuntu from the warty.iso is there a newer version (I see things about hoary)?
[11:56] <rexec> Lethorion: so you can write hciconfig -a without it failing?
[11:56] <subterrific> anyone here have quake3 working on amd64 hoary?
[11:56] <hacim> willis_: I've tried both gnome cd player and rhythmbox
[11:57] <hacim> willis_: rhythmbox seems to freeze, the gnome cd player plays but no sound happens
[11:57] <wfx> subterrific: i only know that it run on amd64
[11:57] <subterrific> i've got a really strange issue with the latest hoary nvidia stuff
[11:57] <Lethorion> rexec; thats a good question.. last time I tried I needed to add hoary repositories and the whole system went down the drain... I thats also why I asked... if there was a warty solution..
[11:57] <subterrific> wfx: i know, i've had it working before, but it isn't working for me now
[11:57] <hacim> what is hoary?
[11:57] <blair> Ok, I figured it out.  I can use XFree86 :1 -scanpci -verbose  Worked like a charm
[11:57] <subterrific> wfx: and the strangest thing is that cs:s and half-life 2 work fine with cedega
[11:57] <rexec> hacim: the future ubuntu release
[11:57] <Lethorion> wartys evil brother...
[11:58] <hacim> rexec: would hoary fix my sound problems and openoffice freezing?
[11:58] <rexec> probably no :)
[11:58] <rexec> probably no :7
[11:58] <rexec> whoops
[11:58] <wfx> subterrific: do you also run doom3 with cedega?
[11:59] <blair> willis_ thanks for your help
[11:59] <subterrific> wfx: nope, i haven't installed doom3 yet. i'd run the native linux client though
[11:59] <subterrific> wfx: i haven't touched doom3 since i beat it, no replay value :(