thomthat's a bug in libdbus-cil; i've not seen it before tho12:02
haggaifabbione: Checking DLL ../../../unxlngi4.pro/lib/check_libevoab2.so ...: ERROR: /usr/lib/libsoftokn3.so: undefined symbol: PR_GetLibraryFilePathname12:02
haggaidmake:  Error code 1, while making '../../../unxlngi4.pro/lib/libevoab2.so'12:02
haggailooks like evo has changed12:02
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seb128why me ?12:04
haggaiseb128: evo :)12:04
haggaifabbione: I'll set a build running and have a look at it in the morning12:04
seb128haggai: what's wrong with it this time ?12:04
haggaiseb128: dunno yet, the evo address book module has failed to compile12:05
seb128ftbfs from evo ?12:05
seb128no, the build logs are fine12:06
seb128which module is that ?12:06
seb128oh, openoffice12:06
haggaiOOo has been broken by an evo source change12:06
seb128the change is the krb4/5 support 12:06
seb128it was off before and is on now12:07
haggaiCFLAGS+=`pkg-config --cflags libebook-1.0`12:07
haggailibebook-1.0 is no more12:07
seb128but that's not new12:07
seb128-1.2 for eds 1.2 in hoary12:07
haggaiyes, and that change broke OOo12:07
seb128time to update it so :)12:10
haggaiI'm allowed to glare at you because of it though :)12:10
jdubthom: yeah, tberman recommends we ship 1.1, which is less buggy than 1.0 even though the 1.2 process has lagged for so long12:11
thomi knew he would ;-)12:11
jdubhaggai: at least it's not a gtk bug :)12:11
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jdubhaggai: do you have a blog?12:12
jdubhaggai: i want to read your adolescent poetry12:13
seb128jdub: 12:13
seb128<taaz> seb128: i've finally got a ffmpeg package to upload ;)12:13
seb128gst-ffmpeg that's it12:13
azeemhaggai: yeah, where is your blog?12:13
azeemyou promised me one12:13
jdubseb128: heh, rad12:13
haggaijdub: oh I'll make sure you can't read it by filling it with britishisms then :)12:16
jdubhaggai: dude, i'm .au. we grok.12:16
jdubweeeeeell, mostly anyway12:17
danielsjdub: 'packaged openoffice today, innit'12:17
lamontjdub: any final objection to cupsys-driver-gimpprint going into desktop?  ( #2113)12:20
haggaiyou'll have a job to erwig me12:20
haggaitime to get some bo12:22
jdublamont: go for it12:24
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jdubhaggai: so what's the go with OOo2.0? (rhyme! yeah!)12:26
lamontjdub/mdz: committed12:27
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lamontwith some whitespace cleanup, sadly12:27
Mithrandirjdub, you mean this?12:27
Mithrandir21:14 < haggai> elmo: please can you allow openoffice2 in?12:27
Mithrandir21:14 < haggai> openoffice.org2, I mean12:27
jdubpitti: WOOOOO!12:28
jdubMithrandir: rad :)12:28
lamontjdub: thoughts on just syncing a new gnus from debian?  http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gnus/gnus_5.10.6-0.CVS.20050104-1/changelog12:29
lamontwe need the first bug fix listed12:29
lamontnot sure what else is changed...12:29
lamontalternatively, I could backport the fix - it's not particluarly painful12:29
jdubokay by me12:30
lamontjdub: is that sufficient process, or is there more?12:30
jordimdz: so do you upload to tpu, or straight to unstable?12:31
lamontguess I should at least file a bug first, eh?12:31
mdzjordi: unstable12:31
jordimdz: ok, AIUI, you already grabbed all the updates from CVS, right?12:31
mdzjordi: yes12:32
mdzjordi: bubulle is doing some work organizing translations into arch12:32
jordiI know there are some typos still in apt :)12:32
mdzjordi: it would be ideal if I could receive translation updates via arch12:32
jordimdz: great12:32
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lamontgrumble... no gnus package in bz12:34
jdublamont: strictly speaking, there should be a bugzilla bug to confirm12:34
lamont5605 would be that bug12:34
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lamontlike 60-90 minutes12:35
lamontjdub: feel free to confirm and poke elmo.  thanks.12:35
mdzdaniels: what's the story with that framebuffer autodetection bug?12:41
danielsmdz: fixed locally, will upload with the rest of xorg later today12:42
mdzdaniels: fabulous, thanks12:42
danielsmdz: no worries12:43
jdubmdz, elmo: xen is a bendy goal, right?12:45
mdzjdub: haven't thought about it much12:45
mdzhoary hoary hoary12:45
elmoI think it should be, esp. if we come to rely on it12:45
jdubelmo: hoary or bendy?12:46
elmo(of course talk is cheap and all that)12:46
jdubi'm writing about FC4 plans to udevel12:46
thomif we wind up needing it for automated testing, we're gonna need it for hoary, right?12:46
jdubthom: it has been downgraded12:46
thom"it"? automated testing?12:46
elmojdub: if we're not doing auto-testing for hoary then bendy's fine.. hoary would be lovely, but I'm certainly not volunteering :(12:47
thomyay, one less feature goal!12:47
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jdubhaggai: so anyway, do you have a blog?12:53
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elmofabbione: ?12:56
Mithrandirelmo: he went to bed two hours ago12:57
elmomeh, fabbione's such a wimp - anyone would think he got up at 7 or something12:58
Riddelljdub: someone made this avater for my planet entries, it was refused on planetkde for some reason http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/jriddell.png01:01
jdubRiddell: because it's not a hackergotchi!01:01
robertjit's obvious that there needs to be an amihackergotchiornot01:02
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mdzelmo: is oo.o2 waiting on you?01:26
mdzelmo: or me?01:26
elmomostly waiting on you to not ignore me01:26
elmoI was trying to ask you about the policy for NEW packages and UVF in general on universe?01:27
mdzelmo: when did you ask that?01:28
elmoI pinged you on jabber a while ago01:28
mdzfucking hell01:28
mdzmy jabber window keeps opening minimized01:28
mdzelmo: new versions in universe are fine by me until at least feature freeze01:28
elmoand new-altogether packages?01:29
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elmodo you want me to do anything different WRT seed syncage?  or can I assume anything committed to the seeds is approved for actioning?01:32
mdzelmo: within reason, yes01:32
mdzif you find that something stupid is getting pulled into main, of course scream01:33
mdzKamion: here?01:35
elmohe said he was going to bed an hour or so again01:36
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mdzelmo: for the stuff you imported from !debian, did you automatically sync new versions prior to UVF?01:42
elmoerr, no01:42
elmoshould I have?01:42
elmoI was never automatically syncing !main - I thought that was known01:43
mdzno, it wasn't known01:43
mdzyou weren't synching universe?01:44
elmoI was never automatically syncing !Debian-main01:44
mdzin that case, we should probably have done it at least once prior to UVF01:44
elmodo you want me to do it now?  it's all universe or lower01:44
mdzjust freshen it up01:44
tsengholy crap mono built01:45
jdubfreshen up multiverse? through the nose!01:45
jdubmdz: so we roughly agreed on xen being maintained in our standard kernel packages, right?01:46
mdzjdub: from the sound of it (their incremental diffs and such), I think that's workable, yeah, but I haven't actually looked01:47
danielselmo: please install l-h-2.6.10-2-* on concordia and davis01:47
mdzif it's crack and falls behind upstream, we shouldn't do it that way01:47
jdubmight be able to get buy-in from the xen folks01:48
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jdubso, this might be an off-colour suggestion01:51
jdubhow about importing NEW packages from experimental into universe automagically?01:52
jdubie. not new versions of existing packages01:52
danielswe don't have access to packages in the NEW queue01:52
jdubNEW for us01:52
danielsoh, I see01:52
jdubit has a whiff of insanity01:53
jdubbut might be kinda cool01:53
ajmitchwhy only the first version?01:54
jdubah, not just the first version01:54
jdubbut anything that isn't a new version of something that already exists in universe01:54
robertjjust err, new, packages ;)01:55
elmojdub: one possible (if unlikely problem is), foo_2.0 introduced to experimental -> universe, foo_1.0 uploaded to unstable.. we're stuck with 2.001:55
robertjevolution has a really irritating bug in it right now where it doubles the host name portion in webcal uris01:55
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jdubelmo: aha. subtle.01:56
jdubdear elmo, please sync pure bullets of planet ubuntu love. love, jdub.01:56
elmodaniels: chroots freshened01:57
danielselmo: cheers01:58
danielselmo: i'm sitting here wearing my represent t-shirt just for you01:58
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arc_hi all01:59
arc_iBooks are unable to suspend, and I found the problem, hald and pmud can't be up at the same time02:00
danielselmo: er, davis too?02:00
arc_just stopped down all the service and noticed that my ibook now can suspend02:00
danielsarc_: yah, this was reported in the bug somewhere02:00
jdubmdz: would be good to have python-gnome2-extras python2.4-gnome2-extras in the desktop seed02:00
arc_and then, starting up all the services, suspend crashed when I finally start up dbus/hald02:00
danielsiirc it's holding the cd device open02:00
elmodaniels: did that too?02:01
elmodamn I need to order from all those cafepress shops02:01
danielselmo: afaict none of l-h-2.6.10-2-* is installed in the hoary chroot in davis02:01
azeem"I carry the weight of Debian"02:02
danielsazeem: oddly appropriate02:02
jdubwhat on earth is going on here?02:03
jdubdpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mono-assemblies-base_1.0.4-1_all.deb (--unpack):02:03
jdub trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/mono', which is also in package libdbus-cil02:03
jdubdaniels: aha, lugradio got slashdotted :)02:03
danielsjdub: looks like it turned from a symlink into a directory, or vice-versa02:04
danielsso dbus needs to be updated, and bleh02:04
elmodaniels: done now02:05
jdubdaniels: ok, can fix here02:05
danielselmo: cheers02:05
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danielsjdub: libdbus-cil is the flaming bag of shit on my doorstep, so i'll deal with it later02:05
mjg59daniels: BTW, there are various hacks to make the nvidia drivers more suspend-friendly02:08
mjg59What license are the bits with source under?02:08
robertjit's exciting to hear that dbus is on it's way to windows02:08
danielsmjg59: errrr02:08
danielsmjg59: nv is under a shit licence, nvidia is under a worse licence02:09
mjg59daniels: This is the kernel-level stuff02:09
daniels'Users and possessors of this source code are hereby granted a nonexclusive, royalty-free copyright and design patent license to use this code in individual and commercial software.'02:09
danielsthere's nothing in the nvidia licence that allows us to modify the nv driver afaics02:10
danielsmjg59: that's under GPL, I believe02:10
danielsi'll let you know fo'sho after lunch02:10
danielssince I'm starving02:10
mjg59Yeah, I /think/ it's the kernel code02:10
mjg59No problem02:10
mjg59How shit02:11
danielsyeah, woo woo ati02:13
danielsoh well, l-r-m uploaded02:13
danielsthe ravenous hordes can dissect it and kill it in every imaginable way02:13
jdubdaniels: oh, it has ati love?02:14
danielsjdub: xorg + amd6402:14
jdubno ppc?02:15
jdubdoes nvidia do ppc?02:15
danielsno-one does ppc02:16
mjg59int agp_generic_suspend(void)02:16
mjg59    return 0;02:16
mjg59WAY TO GO ATI02:16
daniels(probably because of the spectre of apple)02:16
danielsmjg59: you're shitting me02:16
danielsbut yeah, if apple said 'you do linux/ppc and we go to $othervendor for our next systems', you wouldn't02:16
danielsnot that there's the userbase anyway02:16
mjg59There's actually hardware specific code for some bridges02:17
mjg59But it looks like ATI's AGP code is heavily ripped off from other places02:17
danielshaving drivers for peons is a pleasant side effect of having it for dreamworks02:17
danielsmjg59: christing fuck02:17
mjg59They don't seem to have any suspend/resume for the card itself02:17
danielsmjg59: so I'm tipping UseInternalAGPGART no -> S3 death02:17
mjg59Why do all these people want their own AGP code?02:17
mjg59Did the kernel's AGP code molest them as children, or something?02:18
arc_daniels: I don't think that apple is happy with people using linux on their boxes02:18
danielsi really don't know; nvidia do the same thing, though02:18
danielsarc_: as I said02:18
danielsmaybe agpgart worked too well02:19
mjg59There's no symbols in the fglrx code itself that look like they're related to suspend/resume02:19
mjg59Utter cocks02:19
robertjarc: why not?02:21
robertjarc; their hardware margins are huge02:21
robertjpushing 30%02:21
arc_anyway, I don't think that they're being worried about linux/ppc users02:22
robertjoh, certainly not, but still ;)02:22
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=== lamont wonders if someone already has plans to play with ubuntu-meta any time soon (kamion)?
=== mjg59 notes that the Nvidia release notes claim that they don't support ACPI, and then go on to say that ACPI S3 is supported but suspend to disk isn't
danielss3 probably works by accident02:28
ograjdub: finally i need a hackergotchi :)02:28
jdubogra: yep :)02:29
ograjdub: btw, since im upload capable now....how about uploading packages to universe that are not in debian do they need approval or is this fully in MOTUs hands02:30
jdubogra: that's a slightly controversial issue02:31
jdubogra: probably best to discuss with mdz, elmo, person who is roughly resposible for the concept area the package fits into, etc.02:31
ograso we should add it to the agenda tmorrow ?02:31
jdubthat's a good start02:32
ografine :)02:32
jdubbut we probably don't have to deal with those super-officially in general02:32
jdubbut perhaps a policy will come up as part of that discussion02:32
jdubyou might want to suggest general policy discussion as well as the specifics :)02:32
elmooh, crap t-b meeting of doom tomorrow02:32
ograthat would be enough....there should be limitations though02:33
jdubhaggai: GO GO GO!02:33
jdubelmo: what's doomy?02:33
lamontjdub: same meta rules as mao?02:33
jdublamont: ;)02:33
elmojdub: they just always seem to go on for hours02:34
mjg59daniels: Ok, the file that needs modifying to alter PM behaviour is under a You're not even allowed to look at this license02:34
danielsmjg59: fglrx?02:34
mjg59fglrx seems to have no hope02:35
mjg59ARGH MY EYES02:35
mjg59They have separate APM and ACPI suspend routines02:35
mjg59Oh. ungh.02:36
mjg59They register the APM one with the legacy PM support, and the ACPI one with the device model PM support.02:36
danielsgive it up for nvidiaaaaaa02:37
mjg59And this is all based on compile time configuration02:37
mjg59That's about the worst thing I've seen all day02:37
danielswhat the fuck?02:38
danielssonicblue stole agpgart from the kernel and made their own hacks afaict02:38
danielssynced with code in 2.4.16 and 2.4.8-ac7, that's great02:38
ograjdub: i would also like to see a policy for package removal for obsolete things like nautilus-media (which will never build with the new libs)....02:38
mjg59Dave Jones got fairly pissed off with ATI at one point02:39
danielsto be fair, sonicblue didn't assert copyright02:39
mjg59Is the file GPLed?02:39
jdubogra: note that n-m has always been in universe02:39
daniels(sonicblue being the dudes who wrote most of fglrx originally)02:39
danielsmjg59: yah02:39
mjg59Does it credit the original authors?02:39
danielsthere's jeff hartmann/precision/xig copyrights with gpl, plus davej ... no, not gpl02:39
danielsthe entire file is ... i think that's mit/x1102:40
danielsyeah, full credit02:40
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ograjdub: its unusable and uninstallable...i looked at it this afternoon....its unlikely to build with libnautilus-extension-dev (the whole bonobo stuff is gone)02:40
danielshm, and further below, they assert copyright, but fail to licence it02:40
daniels*slaps forehead*02:40
danielsdear arseclowns02:40
jdubogra: yeah, i know (from upstream)02:40
danielsyou are a bunch of arseclowns02:40
danielsplease desist02:40
jdubogra: i am glad :)02:40
ograjdub: so lets just drop it to not confuse the users ;)02:41
=== lamont decides to let thom fix the bug :-)
lamontsomone who loves universe should help out 3518 (scim)02:44
lamontit has stuff dep-waiting on it02:44
danielshaggai: nice work :)02:51
jdubokay dudes02:56
jdubwith thanks to our overworked and underincentivised sysadmin team02:56
jdubwe have a new planet.ubuntu.com02:56
jdubwhich is sexier and more useful than every02:56
jdubthe news feed aggregates a bunch of different news things into one place02:57
lamontjdub: does this mean that sometime soon someone will hold my hand through setting up a blog somewhere?02:57
jdubso it's more useful than the one on the website ;)02:57
jdublamont: advogato.org :)02:57
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jdubalso, it's now for members and developers02:57
jdublamont: advo is very basic, but it's good02:57
jdublamont: depends on whether you want to run your own or not, whether you want to upload pictures, etc., etc.02:58
lamontpics would be nice, don't mind running my own (providing it's not much load, etc)02:59
bob2jdub: those bullets are kinda arse03:01
jdubwe should order dial-a-call-girl for the sysadmin team every now and then03:01
jdubbob2: in the subs list?03:01
jduboh, everywhere03:01
bob2or is that plonedamage?03:01
jdubi fixed some plonedamage03:02
jdubbut only absolute brokenness03:02
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bob2nice work covering up most of the salmonness03:02
jdubmakes blogs easier to read03:08
jdubthe worst plone damage is the fonts03:08
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=== jdub will actually visit planet ubuntu more often now ;)
jdubreally have to get opml support in :|03:11
jdubmdz: hmm, is grub purposefully not in ubuntu-base?03:20
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mdzjdub: sort of03:31
mdzjdub: ubuntu-base is (base seed & debootstrap)03:31
mdzand grub is purposefully not in debootstrap03:31
jdubhandy if you need to switch to lilo03:33
mdzjdub: so where's my planet?03:35
jdubyou have a blog?03:35
mdzno, exactly the point03:35
jduboh right03:35
mdzjdub: holy shit re: xen, just saw http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/01/17/1212241.shtml?tid=136&tid=156&tid=172&tid=10603:35
jdubsign up with blogger or advogato or something if you don't want to run your own03:36
jdubmdz: whooooa03:36
jdubmdz: and linus has mentioned adding it to 2.603:37
mdzjdub: maybe we should push that along03:37
jdubfor hoary?03:37
mdzknow anyone who could do xen for us between now and feature freeze?03:37
mdzdilinger was at least knowledgeable about it03:38
chrisaI remember there being some guy in #alioth that never stopped talking about xen03:44
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mdzchrisa: probably doogie, but he's easily distracted03:46
chrisaI know it wasn't doogie, it was some guy knew to packaging03:48
chrisa.... s/knew/new/03:48
mdzaww, oo.o2 ftbfs03:54
mdzhaggai: :'-(03:54
Riddellwhy would my package (unsermake) have a build log for i386 but not for other platforms?  maybe I'm just being impatient04:00
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Riddell"/bin/sh: ../ooo-build/configure: Permission denied" glad to see it's not just me who fell for that :)04:01
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lamontRiddell: because it's arch: all04:12
lamontthat gets built on i386, but not the others04:12
lamontalthough the log file should have showed up, ithink04:13
lamontRiddell: logs that say ': (amd64|hppa|ia64|powerpc|sparc) not in arch list: all -- skipping' are filed in /dev/null04:14
Riddelllamont: great news, thanks04:15
lamontmdz: what's the plan on the 17 outstanding universe merges?  MOTU?04:15
mdzlamont: MOTU04:15
=== mdz contemplates downloading oo.o2 just to upload the one-line fix
=== jdub rapidly considered and threw out that idea ;)
eruindon't be lazy now!04:20
jdubmore that i can measure that fix in legal tender :)04:21
danielsRiddell: (you want arch: any, not arch: all)04:22
Riddelldaniels: oh fooey, what is arch any for then?04:25
lamontmdz: so when I fix postfix bugs (found in 2.1.5-4ubuntuN) in postfix-2.1.5-5 in debian, and that's all I've done, am I free to upload that as 2.1.5-5ubuntu1?  or do I need to call it 2.1.5-4ubuntuN+1?  (otherwise identical code...)04:27
mdzjdub: ETA 12m04:27
jdubmdz: OOo2?04:27
mdzRiddell: think of arch: any as "each", and arch: all as "every"04:27
mdzRiddell: arch any means build once per architecture, arch all means build once for all architectures04:27
mdzjdub: yes04:28
mdzlamont: call it whatever you like, as long as you're careful04:28
mdzlamont: 2.1.5-5ubuntu1 should really be based on -5, rather than -504:29
mdzrather than -404:29
mdz(should have the changelog entries, etc.)04:29
danielsRiddell: arch any is 'this can build on any architecture'04:29
mdzlamont: Keybuk should have it set up so that you can use MoM to do this04:29
danielsRiddell: arch all is 'this can build on any architecture, but is machine-independent, so only needs to be built once'04:29
danielsRiddell: come to think of it, unsermake is python, so can be arch all04:29
jdubmdz: sweet :)04:29
lamontmdz: truth is that it's checked into a cvs branch04:45
lamontmdz: right 5ubuntu1 would be a 'resync with -5' entry, while -4ubuntuN+1 would be 'backport fixes from -5' kind of entries.04:48
jdubelmo: ping04:53
jdubmdz: thanks, subbing to the wiki works *much* better04:54
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danielselmo: is mail for d.s@u.c getting lost somewhere?05:07
lamontmdz: postfix is a package that I really want to get into hct, but it's also one that I want to be familiar with a happy hct before I use it there...05:25
jduboh man05:26
jdubyou can't put html in the news leadin bit05:27
jdubthat is so bong05:27
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Safari_AlHow are things, jdub?  Did you get the email that I sent to you last week?05:34
fabbionelamont: are you still around?05:37
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mdzgood morning, fabbione05:38
fabbionehey mdz05:39
fabbionelamont: can you please give back ooo on i386?05:39
fabbioneppc builded fine05:39
lamontfabbione: ISTR mdz was gonna upload a 1-line fix, or are you talking about ooo1?05:42
mdzlamont: he's talking about v1, I assume05:42
mdzand the 1-line fix has turned into 3 missing build-deps so far05:42
fabbioneyes the one i uploaded yesterday05:42
fabbionemdz: btw we got sparc in the archive :-)05:44
fabbionei own elmo a few beers05:44
fabbioneyesterday he really managed to get my dick VERY hard05:44
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mdzfabbione: shouldn't the beers come first, before the erection?05:50
fabbionewhen you are drunk it's difficult to get a hard dick :P05:51
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mdzfabbione: I wasn't CCed on #1293, so I didn't see your comment until now05:59
mdzfabbione: you did the right thing anyway05:59
fabbionemdz: thanks. i decide to uplaod after he confirmed that there is no need to serialize the uploads...06:00
fabbionei need to wake up my gf06:00
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fabbionemdz: can you show me the dmesg output for 5234?06:41
fabbionemdz: i think i have some kind of an idea on how to fix it easily06:42
mdzfabbione: with or without the option enabled?06:43
fabbionejust plain boot06:43
fabbioneat the beginning of the boot there is some ACPI stuff06:43
fabbioneand there is also a neat line that i want to see if it is there for your machine06:43
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fabbionenight lamont06:50
lamontfabbione: and (doh) given-back.06:51
fabbionethanks :-)06:51
mdzfabbione: emailed06:54
fabbionemdz: thanks06:55
fabbionemz: you booted with irqpoll06:56
fabbioneMisrouted IRQ fixup and polling support enabled.06:56
fabbionei need without it :-)06:56
mdzI can't reboot right now06:56
fabbionethan when you can do this:06:56
mdzlet me see if I can get one from kern.log06:56
fabbioneboot without irqpool06:56
fabbionenah don't worry06:56
fabbioneand check if the ACPI stuff says something like:06:57
fabbione** NOTE IRQ will not be routed automatically **06:57
fabbioneif it does it should also tell you which option to use to revert to 2.6.9 behaviour06:57
fabbioneand if you can test that one06:57
fabbionei don't mind to revert the default to 2.6.9 for hoary06:58
fabbioneand see how it works for hoary+106:58
mdzI don't se a message like that06:58
mdzI do see this: /var/log/kern.log.0:Jan 15 16:02:17 localhost kernel: Misrouted IRQ fixup and polling support enabled.06:58
fabbioneJan  7 16:57:49 localhost kernel: ** PCI interrupts are no longer routed automatically.  If this07:00
fabbionethere it is07:00
fabbioneJan  7 16:57:49 localhost kernel: ** workaround, the "pci=routeirq" argument restores the old07:01
fabbionenext time.. can you boot only with that option?07:01
mdzpci=routeirq ?07:01
fabbioneinstead of irqpoll?07:01
mdzgrub updated07:01
mdzwhat does it mean?07:01
fabbioneit's all explained in the dmesg07:02
mdzah, I see07:02
fabbionebasically they are moving the irq routing from a central thingy to the driver07:02
mdzshould I send my lspci output to bugzilla, then?07:02
fabbionethere is an email address where to send these info07:02
fabbioneperhaps just update our bugzilla and send him the link to it :-)07:02
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bob2mjg59: why does any acpi code run when the lid is closed at all?07:06
mdzfabbione: can you find out if it's updated in bk already, before I mail him?07:07
mdz0000:00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)07:07
fabbionemdz: yes. there was a huge alsa update from 1.0.7 to 1.0.8rcX07:08
fabbionebut no idea what has been fixed there07:08
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davydanyone know how I would get a hold of bdale?07:19
davyddoes he answer his email?07:19
fabbionedid you try to contact him either on irc or via email?07:20
davydnot yet07:20
davydI considered IRC, where does he hang out?07:20
fabbionewell try first then ask :-)07:20
davydfabbione: I figured I would ask so that I could use his preferred medium07:20
fabbione#debian-devel #debian-kernel probably more07:20
davydon this server?07:20
davydcool, thanks07:21
fabbione /whois bdale is your friend before flooding chans with pings07:21
fabbionehe is idling since a few hours07:21
fabbionepossibly asleep...07:21
davydyeah, I noticed that07:21
davydhowever lots of Americans seem awake07:22
davydso I don't know07:22
davydI'm not even sure which coast he's on07:22
fabbionenight mdz07:23
fabbionecya later for the meeting07:23
fabbionebtw.. at what time is that?07:24
fabbioneusual 16:00 UTC?07:24
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danielswhich meeting, TB?07:42
crimsun(there's no time in the topic of #ubuntu-meeting for it)07:43
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danielsSuggested packages:08:01
daniels  bazaar-doc08:01
danielsThe following NEW packages will be installed:08:01
daniels  bazaar08:01
danielsthat's a joke, right?  documentation?08:01
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danielshaggai: you are not kind08:44
daniels      967566   0%   58.92kB/s    0:45:3308:44
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Keybukyou're just jealous that haggai's got a bigger package than you08:45
danielsnot really -- he can have the bloody thing08:45
danielsbut my DSL wants to beat him08:46
toresbeWhat state is ooo2 in now?08:46
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sivangmorning all09:11
Treenakshi sivang09:12
jdubanyone got mail in their ubuntu-announce box?09:13
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sivangmorning Treenaks 09:15
fabbionejdub: yup09:15
Treenaksapparently, I'm only subscribed to -security-announce... let's fix that09:16
jdubaha! finally got it09:16
jdubthanks fabbione too :)09:16
fabbionejdub: i just added universe to the sparc buildd :-)09:17
sivangjdub: what was the announcment about?09:17
jdubsivang: website look'n'feel context09:17
jdubfabbione: whoa! sweet :)09:18
jdubfabbione: what is your buildd?09:18
fabbionejdub: netra t1 466Mhz + 512Mb09:18
jdubheh :)09:18
fabbionejdub: main hitted the archive yesterday09:18
jdubi-think-i-can-i-think-i-can ;)09:18
jduboh, seriously? that's rad!09:18
fabbioneor better.. jackass09:18
jdubwhen will there be netboot images? :)09:19
fabbionejdub: yes. we only need elmo to finish to setup sparc.u.c09:19
fabbionejdub: there are already09:19
fabbionewe need to get everything in the proper position in the pool and so on09:19
fabbioneand i need to build/upload a few packages still before you will be able to install09:19
fabbioneunfortunatly katie rejected the kernel because sparc did build -809:19
fabbionebut i uploaded -9 in the morning09:20
fabbioneso basically she refused (correctly) to get an older binary than the source09:20
fabbionebut it's building now09:20
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fabbioneTreenaks: don't tempt me09:20
fabbionei have 2 m68k idling at a colo :-)09:20
fabbioneTotal 4935 package(s)09:20
fabbioneto build from universe :(09:21
Treenaksfabbione: *shudder*09:21
fabbioneah damn09:23
fabbioneOOo still fails on i386!09:23
fabbionehaggai: where are you?09:23
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sivangmorning seb128 09:36
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pittiMorning everybody09:47
seb128hey pitti 09:47
danielssup pitti09:49
pittiseb128: already tried language-support-fr? :-)09:50
seb128not yet :)09:52
pittiD'oh, so many new vulnerabilities today...09:53
danielspitti: at least libXpm managed to survive so far09:55
sivangmorning pitti09:59
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Keybukpitti: why do you keep killing your box? :)10:01
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pittiKeybuk: my ISP blocked the IRC ports yesterday , grrr10:05
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pittiKeybuk: so I installed a proxy, but I had to restart it :-)10:05
Keybukyeah, you might want to audit the dircproxy code a little10:05
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Keybukfrom what I recall, there's some very silly bugs in it10:06
pittiKeybuk: no, my neighbor needed a proxy, too, so I thought he could reuse mine10:06
pittiKeybuk: but it doesn't work, so I just give him his own proxy, I think10:07
sivangcan anybody share his oppinion wheather simple-cdd is the right way to go customize an installer cd ? or does ubuntu has something better that's being worked on?10:09
sivangpitti: could you reopen the bug I CC'd you with g-s-t? so I would be able to close when I have the 2 ubuntu stock profile templates done? :)10:10
pittisivang: you can't reopen it yourself?10:11
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sivangpitti: I tried to find it, but no matter how hard I tried couldn't. It's like gone to the null bit bucket.10:13
sivangpitti: researching now.10:14
pittisivang: bug #?10:14
sivangpitti: I wish I recalled, this is what I get when I search for users-admin ==> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=UPSTREAM&bug_status=PENDINGUPLOAD&field0-0-0=product&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=users-admin&field0-0-1=component&type0-0-1=substring&value0-0-1=users-admin&field0-0-2=short_desc&type0-0-2=substring&value0-0-2=users-adm10:14
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sivangpitti: I seem to fail find it also when attempting a g-s-t wide search.10:16
fabbionehey pitti10:16
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pittiHi my dear fabbione 10:17
fabbionepitti: the use of work "dear" gives the idea that you are going to tell me that something is badly wrong10:17
pittifabbione: no, this time it really was meant like that :.-)10:18
pittiargh, my poor smiley...10:18
sivangfabbione: you made him cry! :)10:18
Keybukoh fabbione, dear fabbione10:20
fabbionehey Keybuk 10:20
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seb128jdub: here ?10:40
jdubyo seb128 10:41
seb128do you have some time to comment on #163501 (GNOME) ? UI freeze is monday and Vincent would like to get some advice on this before doing something ...10:41
seb128BTW hey :)10:41
jdubmain menu?10:41
jdubgot a tab open for it ;)10:42
seb128if you have any idea on what to do with it ...10:42
jdubpython2.4-samba is 4MB10:45
jdubseb128: do you mind if i mention you in an open email, in relation to your ubuntu packaging?10:48
jdubthom: ping10:57
jdubseb128: thanks :)10:57
jdubseb128: um, it's positive, btw ;)10:58
jdubmorning ogra10:59
jdubogra: how's that xscreensaver patch?11:00
seb128jdub: I hope so, or I'll track you down :p11:00
ograpitti....dont you use a wlan usb stick for your ibook ?11:00
pittiogra: no11:00
pittiogra: i. e., I use one :-)11:00
ograjdub: i think i'll drop the aim for utf 8, else i only need to rewrite all the destroy functions....you'll have it at the weekend if thats enough11:01
ograpitti: what model/brand, we have a guy in ubuntu-users that needs a quick advice for one before a surgery...11:02
pittiogra: Netgear MA11111:03
jdubogra: i'd be totally happy for just chrome improvements.11:03
ograpitti: great....you've done our volvoguy a big favor i think11:03
jdubseb128: "Debian or Ubuntu package maintenance is significantly more involved than GARNOME or jhbuild module definitions, but Seb drives through it like a chainsaw through creme brule."11:06
jdubseb128: should that be 'crme'?11:06
Treenaksjdub: writing the hoary release announcement already?11:08
jdubTreenaks: haha, no11:08
jdubTreenaks: i'll post a link when i've finished11:08
jdubthis is a bit different ;)11:08
jdubseb128: how does an e with a grave sound?11:09
jdubsame as the e in seb?11:09
seb128grave = 11:10
Keybukisn't it that  goes down and  goes up ?11:10
seb128aigu =  like in Sb11:10
seb128circonflexe = 11:10
jdubseb128: yeah, but what does it sound like? :)11:11
Kamionjdub: circumflex over the u in brulee IIRC11:12
Kamioncrme brle11:13
jdubaha, thanks11:13
jduboh, and first e?11:13
seb128jdub: not really easy to explain how it sounds :p11:13
Treenaksseb128: so, the "" in crme brle is pronounced as the "e" in "seb" or "bed"11:13
Treenaksseb128: sight?11:13
Treenaksuh the 11:14
Keybukseb128: simple, .mp311:14
jdubKeybuk: DOLPHIN KILLER11:15
Keybukdo one with saying crme, one saying crme and one saying creme -- so we can tell the difference11:15
Keybukjdub: BABY iWHALE KILLER11:15
TreenaksiWHALE? the new Apple product?11:16
seb128elmo: gnome-pilot and gnome-pilot-conduits syncs please11:17
KeybukTreenaks: baby whales = pod, iWHALE, BABY iWHALE, iPod ... it made sense to me11:17
TreenaksKeybuk: ah!11:17
Keybuknot that I *own* an iPod, too much of my music is in .ogg for that, but still11:18
TreenaksKeybuk: I missed the "pod" definition :)11:18
ograseb128: pronounce lix *g*11:18
Kamionthat well-known French character, 11:19
Treenaksogra: f?11:20
Treenaksfun with compose maps... sigh11:21
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haggaifabbione: should I fix OOo?11:26
=== ogra cant belive the discuss a backport of ooo2 in the -devel ML
ograthey even11:28
thomjdub: ack11:30
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thommorning folks11:32
sivangmorning thom11:32
ograhi thom11:32
pittiHey thom11:33
seb128hey thom 11:33
Treenakshey thom11:34
haggaiogra: they won't need a backport11:35
ograi know, they are crazy.....11:35
Treenaksogra: ex-gentoo?11:35
trukuloogra: i know about netgear usb wlan11:38
trukuloi own one11:38
ogragreat, do you read ubuntu-users ?11:38
trukulouses atmel driver, http://at76c503a.berlios.de/11:38
trukulono, i only read ubuntu-devel11:38
trukulobut as i know, doesn't work on ibook11:38
trukuloonly i38611:39
ograthere is a guy that has a spinal surgery this week and wants a quick advice how to use his ibook wireless11:39
trukuloas i know, netgear usb doesn't work on ppc11:39
Treenaksogra: you already helped him, right?11:39
trukulofriends of mine bought one, and they have to return11:39
ogratrukulo: pitti said he uses one11:39
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jdubthom: so man11:39
jdubthom: netapplet sucks so bad11:39
ograTreenaks: but details can always help 11:39
trukuloogra: on ibook? so my friends are wrong, or very inepts11:39
jdubthom: what do you think about hacking the netapplet menu and switcher into netstatus?11:40
jdubthom: it's way nicer11:40
trukuloi use one on i38611:40
azeemeh, sorry11:40
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jdubpr0n.png ben-affleck-nude.kpg11:40
Keybukjdub: provided you get rid of the blinkenlights from netstatus11:40
sivangmorning mdz 11:40
jdubKeybuk: stfu. (i find them irritating too.)11:41
ogratrukulo: btw, i have put the inclusion of foreign packages on the TB agenda today....with luck i'll get your graveman pkgs in universe this week11:41
jdubazeem: you name your files stupidly11:41
Keybukjdub: so do something about it then! :p11:41
jdubmdz: okay with me putting libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap in supported?11:41
trukulo:) cool11:41
azeemI can paste the content of ~ to prove you are wrong, if you want :P11:41
azeemthen I get banned for flooding and will die a martyrer death11:42
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jdubclean up your home directory11:42
thomjdub: we'd still need all the (dubious) netdaemon connection stuff, but it might work out better11:42
jdubthen you won't get banned for flooding11:42
jdubthom: yeah.11:42
jdubthom: i figure it's more productive to go that way than to sass up netapplet11:42
jdubmaybe not11:42
jdubsaves porting netapplet to being a real applet though ;)11:43
thomit's a fairly chunky rewrite to "fix" netapplet11:43
trukuloogra: if you want liferea one, tell me11:43
trukuloi can make a package of liferea this morning11:43
ogratrukulo: i think thats already in from sid ?11:43
trukulosorry, i mean leafpad11:43
ograah, ok11:43
trukulodo you want me to do it?11:44
ogralets see what the meeting turns out in case of ploicy....(there currently is none)11:44
seb128jdub: we can upload new packages in hoary at this point, or we are supposed to have freezed that ? /me considers packaging nautilus-sendto 11:44
ograseb128: yay11:44
ograseb128: i've put this topic on tonights agenda (inclusion of new universe pkgs)11:45
seb128you have some packages to upload ?11:46
ograseb128: graveman11:46
ografor instance11:46
jdubseb128: universe is pretty loose - ask mdz and i (i approve)11:46
seb128why do you need an agenda topic for that ?11:46
trukulowait, ogra, there's a debian package already for leafpad11:46
trukuloit's in allioth11:47
seb128jdub: ok, sending a mail right now11:47
jdubseb128: ogra's would be ubuntu-only, which is slightly more controversial :)11:47
ograseb128: because i'd like to have a written policy that doenst need to involve mdz and jdub11:47
jdubogra: it'll probably involve us anywya ;)11:47
ograjdub: i think it would only be for the time unzil pkgs go in debian anyway11:47
trukulojdub: me wants lion wallpaper in hoary by default :P11:47
seb128yeah, just hijack jdub :p11:47
sivangtrukulo: me too11:48
trukulovotes for lion?11:48
ograjdub: i.e. graveman will get packaged for debian once...as most of the other things will..11:48
jdubtrukulo: oh, did you do the lion?11:49
trukulojdub: no, it's from disney11:49
jdubogra: it's different for you though, as you can't upload to both11:49
jdubogra: that's the controversial bit11:49
ograah, ok11:49
trukulojdub: but if you want, i can make one11:51
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fabbioneKamion: are you still in the position to test 5162?11:58
fabbioneKamion: i think i have a fix :-)11:58
Kamionfabbione: might take a bit of fiddling, but I think so, yeah12:00
fabbionei will upload the possible fix with the next kernel..12:01
fabbioneit's one line from upstream exactly in the point we need it :-)12:01
fabbioneand it is pretty clear how the code has been changing from 2.6.8/9/1012:01
ografabbione: it would also be nice if my laptop could work with a load below 3.5 with the next upload ;)12:02
fabbioneogra: it will12:03
fabbionepatch is already applied12:03
ografabbione: great, thanks :)12:03
haggaifabbione: did you do anything to ooo?12:04
ografabbione: btw, i'm missing pinhead on the new planet 12:05
seb128somebody able to reproduce the panel/nautilus/vfs lock here ?12:06
Kamionis anyone working on fixing libxslt1-python2.4?12:06
seb128I've put patched packages that might fix the issue: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/vfs/ ... any feedback would be welcome12:06
fabbioneKamion: i confirm that that one IS the fix :-)12:07
Kamionok, good, my shadow fix worked12:07
jdubseb128: ah yes, it happens on this machine12:10
seb128jdub: go go go12:10
ograseb128: is there a bug # ? (doesnt happen here it seems (amd64))12:11
ograthanks :)12:13
elmoseb128: done12:14
jdubelmo: ping :-)12:15
jdubelmo: could you update p.u.c?12:15
Mithrandirogra: you're on an amd64 now?  would you care to install openoffice.org-gtk-gnome and see if it works correctly for you?12:18
ograMithrandir: already did it tonight :)12:18
fabbioneelmo: can you remove gtk2-engines_2.2.0-3_sparc from the incoming queue?12:18
fabbioneelmo: for some reason it was in hoary and then downgraded?12:18
elmofabbione: yeah, I just did, sorry about that12:19
fabbionebecause that would be the only thing that could explain the message i get12:19
ograMithrandir: seems to work great as far as i can tell (i didnt write exhauting texts or such though)12:19
elmoI'll figure out why when I'm a little more awake12:19
fabbioneno problem dude..12:19
fabbionei was just worried that i did something wrong, but i am 100% sure i didn't build anything outside hoary12:19
Mithrandirogra: rock, I'll close the bug, then.  Thanks12:19
elmojdub: done12:19
jdubelmo: thanks :)12:20
jdubelmo: did you run it too? ;)12:20
elmofabbione: an UNACCEPT is always a katie problem of some sort12:20
elmothe message should make that clearer12:20
elmojdub: yeah12:20
ograMithrandir: are the buttons supposed to be themed ? they only have the right color, but stiull very rough edges12:20
jdubah stupid plone12:20
jdubelmo: http://planet.ubuntu.com/news/12:21
jdubelmo: need html as a directoryindex too :)12:21
Mithrandirogra: what do you mean -- rough edges?12:21
ograMithrandir: they look like win9812:21
ograMithrandir: not like industrial themed12:21
Mithrandirogra: hm, true.  Not sure what's up with that.. I'll have to look at it on i386 to see what it should look like. :)12:22
elmooh, meh, ok12:23
ograMithrandir: its not too important though..... just the font and color improvement is already a lot....12:23
elmojdub: fixed12:23
jdubelmo: thanks!12:23
elmoargh, but now it's killed index.shtml12:24
jdubDirectoryIndex index.shtml index.html12:24
elmothat's exactly what I've done dude12:24
jdubthat is surprising12:24
elmoI'm not stupid, apache is just a complete piece of arse when it comes to configuration12:24
Mithrandirogra: it uses the gnome file selector for instance here, but the buttons aren't properly themed, you're right.12:24
jdubelmo: if i ever think you're stupid, i won't waste time implying it. ;-)12:25
ograMithrandir: yup....and it seems the app icon is missing (i got the default icon in the tasklist)12:25
elmoboggle, it seems to randomly pick .shtml or .html12:26
elmogo apache.12:26
fabbioneelmo: you can bitch thombot :-)12:26
Mithrandirogra: I think we'd need to make ia32-libs-theme-industrial or something.. and I don't want to do that, for obvious reasons.12:27
Riddellhow do I tell dput to upload the .orig.tar.gz ?12:27
ograi think its ok as it is.....the fonts were the worst part and that is done :)12:28
MithrandirRiddell:build with debuild -S -sa12:28
mjg59thom: We need some sort of power-base package that provides a consistent interface to suspend stuff12:29
mvo_is it a known problem that xsltproc segfaults after todays upgrade? 12:30
azeemdidn't somebody talk about something like power-base on debian-devel some time ago?12:30
Kamionpowermgmt-base exists12:31
Kamionextra bits should probably go in there12:31
mjg59Kamion: Mm. True.12:32
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thommjg59: yes12:33
thomelmo: that's definitely a bug, it should be in order12:33
thommjg59: best yet, pbbuttonsd *almost* has a useful codebase for combining power management systems12:33
mjg59thom: So something that can check whether it's an ACPI, APM or Pmac system and call the appropriate stuff on UI events12:34
thomyah. 12:35
jdubmjg59, thom: have you seen the PowerManager stuff on the gnome wiki?12:36
thomjdub: yeah12:36
mjg59In the long run, that's the way to go12:36
thomand i've been following the discussions on the hal list, too12:36
thombut definitely long term12:36
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mvo_seb128: any known problem with the libxml2 from yesterday? I have a crash in xsltproc that seems to be libxml2 releated12:38
fabbionedaniels: ping12:38
jdubpitti: idea on u-d to have fonts as depends on language packages - i heartily endorse this idea12:41
pittijdub: I think it's a good idea too12:42
pittijdub: mako said that he has a list 12:42
pittijdub: I explained him the arch repo, so he just can commit that stuff :-)12:42
pittijdub: if you have an idea what to add, just tell me12:42
seb128mvo_: not afaik12:42
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seb128jdub: #982 12:45
sivangpitti: ok, culmus for hebrew language pack can be a start :)12:45
pittisivang: yes, send me a list of appropriate dependencies for language-support-il, and I will add them12:45
sivangpitti: cool!12:46
abelli_pitti: what if: 12:47
abelli_unable to open /proc/net/dev: permission denied..12:48
sivangpitti: also, is it a good idea to have pakcage for preconfiguring gnome kbd layout chooser to be automatically set up in the right language and maybe even the menu lang as part of this and the language-support-XX dependency?12:48
abelli_is it normal with your kernel?12:48
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pittiabelli_: yes, it is; you have some /proc restrictions as normal user12:48
abelli_ok thank you12:48
pittisivang: it shuold be the other way round12:49
pittisivang: the installer asks for language and so on, installs the correct language pack and passes the language to the X installer12:49
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sivangpitti: ok, and this is alos in the works?12:49
pittisivang: the only missing thing so far is the installation of l-p-<lang> by d-i12:50
elmojdub: right, fixed.. apache was actually fine, it was firefox that was broken12:50
pittisivang: but as long as the langpacks are not in the official archive, this can't yet happen12:50
no0ticati has released new drivers. They are compatible with xorg 6.8, and there are for 64bit too, they will be present in hoary stable?12:50
mjg59no0tic: They will be in Hoary, yes12:51
jdubelmo: sweet, ta12:52
Kamionso what packages do I need to make the installer install?12:52
jdubno0tic: they've already been uploaded.12:52
jdubelmo: how much of a hassle is it for you to do p.u.c merges?12:54
Kamioner, that was a bit general - I mean for language packs12:54
no0ticjdub: cool12:54
jdubelmo: want to figure out the optimal granularity of my requests :)12:54
sivangpitti: ok, are you planning to add the auto input lang setup support as part of it? so when they will be in the official archive (and also auto synced from rosetta) we would have rocking local support? :)12:54
pittisivang: no, the input lang setup is done by d-i12:55
pittisivang: l-s-<lang> only provides gettext data and dependencies12:56
pittisivang: brb, food12:56
elmojdub: not much, but if it gets to be like one an hour, I'm going to cry12:56
jdublucky last one for a while coming in a minute12:58
seb128elmo: glib2.0 sync please12:59
elmoseb128: done12:59
fabbioneelmo: sparc.u.c sync please :P01:00
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fabbioneelmo: thanks again for yesterday01:00
fabbioneit was cool01:00
jdubelmo: fabbione said you made him hard.01:00
trukuloogra_: oh, my god, new graveman, that man doesn't rest or what?01:01
elmofabbione: if there was only a command to create sparc.u.c like there is for syncs.. 01:02
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ograhoplefully he sorts out the crappy detection stuff01:02
elmojdub: yeah, I'm working on blocking that out of my mind thanks :-P01:02
trukuloFixed ATA and ATAPI devices detection, 2 !01:02
jdubelmo: he means an erection01:03
jdubelmo: i don't know if he knows how to say erection01:03
jdubelmo: but that's what he means01:03
ogratrukulo: ah, ok.....but i guess he still unses cdrecord --scanbus for that :(01:03
elmojesus christ, it's snowing01:04
Kamionclear skies a mere couple of hundred miles south01:04
thomyeah, it bloody ain't snowing here01:04
ograelmo: not here, youre probably in the wrong part of the world01:05
trukuloogra: could be01:05
ogratrukulo: sad01:05
trukuloogra: but now he changes version number ! YEAH !01:05
trukuloit's 0.301:05
trukuloand no more dates01:06
ogratrukulo: after hoary preview i will see if n-c-b is injectable there01:06
ogratrukulo: at least the detection code01:06
elmo"Feels like: -5.6C"01:06
trukuloogra: that could be cool01:06
ogratrukulo: way cooler would be to use dbus for IPC with cdrecord ;)01:07
ogratrukulo: but then i could rewrite the whole thing....01:07
trukuloogra: so do it01:07
fabbionedput barfed01:07
ogratrukulo: matter of time :(01:07
fabbioneelmo: can you please remove linux-sources from uploaddir?01:08
ogratrukulo: since i still have to pay my rent :/01:08
fabbioneUploading via ftp linux-image-2.6.10-2-sparc64_2.6.10-9_sparc.deb: Error '(32, 'Broken pipe')' during ftp transfer of linux-image-2.6.10-2-sparc64_2.6.10-9_sparc.deb01:08
fabbione^^first time i see something like this01:08
ografabbione: haggai had something similar with ooo yesterday01:08
fabbioneogra: i am building locally to see if it is somekind of buildd problem or a missing build-dep01:09
fabbionebut it is i386 specific01:09
fabbionethat's for sure01:09
trukuloogra: yeah, i have to pay the rent too, bad thing the rent01:09
ogratrukulo: yup....ad the food and the cars....01:10
ograand even01:10
elmofabbione: fabbione boggle01:10
trukuloand the wife ?01:10
elmofabbione: it's 'cos I just cleared it out of new01:11
fabbioneelmo: ah01:11
ogratrukulo: i'm not fabbionne......(only a GF ...)01:11
fabbioneelmo: do i need to reupload i guess01:11
trukulofabbione: are you sure about your wedding?01:11
elmofabbione: yeah, please retry now01:11
fabbioneelmo: sure01:11
trukulothink you wouldn't wank anymore01:11
sivangtrukulo: what;s wank?01:12
ogratrukulo: but i have to pay her life too ;)01:12
fabbionetrukulo: in life there is only one sure thing that is DEATH!01:12
sivangfabbione: ahahah01:12
sivangfabbione: and taxes01:12
fabbionesivang: no if you live in the middle of italy ;)01:12
trukulosivang: "touch yourself"01:12
sivangtrukulo: ah :)01:12
trukuloogra: same here with mi gf01:12
sivangfabbione: I see.01:12
fabbionei can reproduce the ooo build error..01:12
fabbionethat's all i know :)01:13
trukuloogra: here you have new packages: http://mercurio.homeip.net/debian/01:13
ogratrukulo: ok, lets see what turns out in the meeting tonight....#01:13
trukulotell me tomorrow01:13
ogratrukulo: is your .desktop file translatable ?01:14
trukuloogra: i use graveman's one01:15
trukuloupstream .desktop file01:15
ogratrukulo: it has one ? since which vers ?01:15
ogratrukulo: i'm still two weeks behind with my package01:16
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trukulodon't remember, 20050110 could be01:16
ograah, ok01:16
ogratrukulo: so its a better decision to take yours for universe....will you keep it up to date ?01:17
trukuloyes, as i want to upload it into sid too01:18
ogragreat :)01:18
trukuloi'm talking with debian-devel-spanish01:18
trukulonot to be a debian developer, but one of them could be my "bitch-uploader"01:19
ogratrukulo: as i will be for ubuntu ;)01:19
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trukuloogra: sylvain now emails me when he has new versions :)01:22
trukulothat's good01:22
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ogratell him that we work together.....i also mailed him in the beginning of the year01:22
HostingGeekwhy no unrar-nonfree in ubuntu?01:23
HostingGeekunrar 1 can hardle open any rar files these days01:23
ograogra@honk:~ $ apt-cache show unrar-nonfree01:23
ograPackage: unrar-nonfree01:23
ograPriority: optional01:23
ograSection: multiverse/utils01:23
trukulook, so i send him an email telling that our package is the same ?01:24
ogratrukulo: yup, that would be nice :)01:24
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trukuloso i'll do01:24
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fabbioneTreenaks: can you add a dmesg output when the cs4236 module is loaded please?01:24
fabbionei am looking at the device ID table and clearly your is missing... 01:25
fabbionebut it's not really *clear* how to add one01:25
fabbioneTreenaks: or very verbose lspnp01:25
Treenaksfabbione: there's no pnp code in the driver I load... only in the /other/ cs423x driver01:25
Treenaks(what's the bug # again)01:26
trukuloogra: mail sent01:26
ograyay, thnak you :)01:26
fabbioneTreenaks: and what do you load?01:26
Treenaksnot snd-cs423601:26
ografabbione, Treenaks: you should really involve crimsun.....he is a great alsa guy ;)01:27
fabbioneTreenaks: it looks like that portion of the code is somehow shared01:28
fabbionebut it would still lack the CSC001101:28
Treenaksfabbione: ah ok.. well, the lspnp -v output is there01:28
fabbionethat is the mixer/dsp one01:28
Treenaksfabbione: I can't connect to the machine (xircom + ipv6 when not in promisc mode.. argh)01:29
fabbionetsk :P01:29
fabbioneok this even is fine01:29
Kamiondamn, anna's surprisingly complex considering its size01:32
trukuloogra: new version, i made a mistake in the last one01:32
ogratrukulo: i wont sync before a decision tonight, take your time01:32
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HostingGeekcan we have java-package upgrade01:34
HostingGeeki remember just after the hoary merge there was a new version that was fixed to work with sun 501:34
HostingGeekthe current one doesn't work01:34
HostingGeekunless you edit the script a bit01:35
HostingGeekwhich is what the upgrade is01:35
ograHostingGeek: there is a prepackaged java1.4 and 1.5 in the tower net repo....no need for building it yourself, see the Java wiki page01:35
HostingGeekogra: i know01:36
HostingGeekogra: but people still will want to build there own01:36
HostingGeekfor what ever reason01:36
HostingGeekand anyway java-package *IS* in the ubuntu rep01:36
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jdubelmo: http://ninjapants.org/files/chart.jpg01:43
fabbionejdub: "meh" is missing ;)01:43
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fabbioneUploading via ftp linux-image-2.6.10-2-sparc64_2.6.10-9_sparc.deb: Error '(32, 'Broken pipe')' during ftp transfer of linux-image-2.6.10-2-sparc64_2.6.10-9_sparc.deb01:44
fabbionei got the same error again..01:44
fabbioneit smells of timeout or something like that01:44
fabbionelet me try with a couple of small packages01:45
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fabbioneelmo: it is some kind of timeout problem on ftp01:55
elmofabbione: where are you uploading from?01:56
fabbionebecause small file transfers are ok01:56
fabbionefrom hom01:56
thompitti: what you wanna do about #5606?01:57
HostingGeekso java-package will not be upgraded?!?01:58
fabbioneHostingGeek: i told you already a couple of days ago that these issues must be discussed on the mailing list01:59
fabbionenot everybody is here now to be able to do a proper evaluation & so on.01:59
azeemfwiw, the debia release managers requested a major overhaul of java-package before approval into sarge02:00
azeemkilling of those *debian packages, namely02:00
pittithom: apache-utils ships check-forensic02:01
HostingGeekfabbione: 0_o you did02:01
pittithom: so yes, we need a security update02:01
thompitti: (i mean for apache2, i know we need one for apache)02:02
pittithom: nice, Javier finds all kinds of tempfile vulns02:02
pittithom: I'm just at fixing mysql (with the same bug)02:02
pittithom: ah, right02:02
pittithom: then please disregard my last comment to the bug02:02
pittithom: apache is in universe02:02
elmofabbione: as a work around, you could upload the large files by someother method to chinstrap/rookery/whatever and dput from there02:03
HostingGeekpitti: by apache you do mean apache 1 right?02:03
elmofabbione: but, I could do with your help in testing/debugging the problem later, if I can't reproduce it on my connection02:03
pittithom: if you upload a new sid package and you have validated patches, can you fix hoary as well?02:03
pittiHostingGeek: right02:03
thompitti: yeah02:03
thomif you want to do an apache2 release i can give you a patch now02:04
pittithom: I would like to fix Warty too, but it is not high-priority02:04
fabbioneelmo: i can wait to upload the kernel.02:04
pittithom: the fix is easy, so if it is not too much effort, a warty update would be nice02:04
jdubelmo: so dude02:04
jdubelmo: https://www.ubuntu.com/02:04
ograjdub: i've see you plan a mips port ?02:05
jdubelmo: this makes pointing people to www.ubuntu.com as the primary host... hard ;)02:05
jdubogra: i'm roughly interested in playing with the idea. </non-committal>02:05
ograjdub: fine, i got a dusty indigo2 hanging around....02:05
pittithom: the only problem with this is that people have to update apache2 for no apparent change02:06
elmojdub: fixed02:06
ograjdub: unfortunately with extreme graphics, so not desktop fun, but i would offer it....02:06
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thompitti: yeah, i don't think it's worth it tbh02:07
jdubelmo: awesome, thanks02:07
jdubogra: i have a build farm ;)02:07
jdubogra: two cobalt cubes and a linksys wifi router.02:07
pittithom: hmm. Do you think there are many folks recompiling the source package and using scripts out of it?02:07
pittithom: I don't, tbh02:07
ograhmmm, cubes :)02:07
thompitti: no, i don't think so either02:08
pittithom: hmm, right. Let's forget about this02:08
pittithom: I just saw the apache2 update on hoary-changes02:08
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thomyeah, that was just to get it out the way trivially02:09
Kamionelmo: could you bump archive-copier's priority up to standard? I need this (for convoluted reasons) to stop the live CD using partman02:20
RiddellI broke something again :(  I uploaded a package without a .orig file so I did debuild -S -sa and reuploaded but I havn't had an accept or reject notice in over 2 hours02:21
Kamionarchive-copier already has code in its postinst to exit early if it doesn't have a CD02:21
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elmoKamion: done02:27
elmoRiddell: what package?02:28
Riddellelmo: kipi-plugins (and also gwenview I didn't upload the .orig with)02:29
elmoRiddell: I don't think you reuploaded it to ubuntu...02:31
Riddelloh no, not again...how do I set the default upload target in dput darnit02:31
fabbioneRiddell: just specify it in the command line all the time02:32
fabbioneit is a good practise02:32
ograRiddell: or drop all the other targets ;)02:33
ograRiddell: ...from your config02:33
pittiRiddell: may it be that dput did nothing because you forgot to delete the .upload file?02:33
fabbionepitti: good point02:34
Kamionelmo: thanks02:34
ograpitti: doesnt it complain like dupload does ?02:34
pittiogra: it does02:35
Riddellpitti: nope, .upload says it went to debian, that's very incompetant of me02:35
pittiogra: I don't know about you, but I never pay particular interest to the dput output02:35
pittiogra: I just do "uup foo.changes" and forget about it...02:35
ograpitti: snce i only have uploaded my first two packages yesterday i payed a lot attention to it ;)02:36
ograif i'm used to it i will probably ignore it too :)02:36
thomhrm, i guess mithrandir has broken vawad then02:36
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pittilamont-away: still here?02:43
pittilamont-away: I NEED YOU02:43
Riddellit would be good if an e-mail way sent out saying if a package you had uploaded had compiled sucessfully or no02:43
lamont-awaypitti: yo02:43
lamont-awayI shouldn't be here 02:43
lamont-awayelmo about?02:43
pittilamont-away: the warty-security buildds don't build ...02:43
lamont-awaypitti: GAH!02:44
pittilamont-away: he said to bother you02:44
pittilamont-away: well, it should have time until tomorrow...02:44
pittilamont-away: if you are in a hurry, just go02:44
lamont-awaypitti: nah - I must run the kids to town, but I'll go hop online and deal with it after that.02:44
pittilamont-away: sure, thanks!02:44
lamont-awayshould take about 45-60 min before you see lamont_r on02:45
elmolamont-away: w-b can see them, I didn't investigate further than that yet02:45
lamont-awayelmo: cool.02:45
thommjg59: 5619 for your enjoyment03:00
fabbioneduplicate of another one that is pending upload03:01
mjg59fabbione: No, it's a completely different one (sadly)03:02
fabbionemjg59: the submitter admitted it...03:03
fabbioneit's the same...03:03
fabbioneotherwise just unmerge them :-.)03:03
mjg59fabbione: No, it's entirely different03:03
fabbionehave fun03:03
fabbionei am off for a while03:03
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thompitti: 1.3.31-6ubuntu0.3 uploaded03:10
pittithom: thanks03:10
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tsengwhats the policy on filing bugs against universe?03:17
tsengoh there it is, appologies03:17
KeybukBug#249182: universe: rules aren't consistent when viewed close-up.03:20
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elmogood god03:22
tsengKeybuk: libfaad2-dev is uninstallable, but the notice says it only gets fixed when synced from sid03:22
elmosparc by itself, 1.2Gb.  sparc +all, 8.8Gb03:22
ogratseng: hmm, i cant find a libfaad in debian....03:25
tsenghang on a sec, it might be me03:25
tsengbecause the source package is sane03:25
tsengnope, i only have hoary archives listed.. thought maybe in marillat03:26
Treenaksogra: libfaad2-003:26
ograhmm, looks like marillat....03:26
Treenaksogra: in marillat. yes03:26
tsengits in multiverse.03:26
tsengbuilding from source results in working packages, i must have something messed locally03:29
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shayajdub: you here?03:46
jdubi am03:46
shayaso, gonna fix planet.gnome.org's xml :)03:47
lamont_rpitti: fixed03:48
pittilamont_r: thanks03:49
lamont_rpitti: and I have NFC how long ago I introduced that bug, or how it lived this long...03:49
pittilamont_r: it still worked three days ago03:50
ograsivang ... around ?03:50
lamont_rI rebuilt the chroots, and the bug has been in the script for building chroots for as long as I can see...03:50
lamont_r(it helps if you have a deb-src line pointing at warty-security in addition to warty... :-)03:50
lamont_rpitti: which is to say, those chroots haven't been rebuilt since I built them by hand ages ago03:52
pittilamont_r: so all uploaded packages dep-waited on some security update?03:53
shayaijdub: so that's a no? :(03:54
jdubshaya: oh, haven't got to it yet03:54
elmofabbione: sparc.u.c's up03:55
lamont_ranybody got anything else before I disappear for a few hours?03:55
lamont_rpitti: do you care if it takes a while to retry your packages?03:55
pittilamont_r: what is "a while"?03:56
pittilamont_r: hours are no problem; days might become a problem :-)03:56
pittilamont_r: btw, I just upload the next security update03:57
pittilamont_r: if you need something to play with :-)03:57
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no0tichi all03:58
no0ticI have finished installing hoary from array2 and I noticed many problems03:58
no0ticit doesn't install xorg & gnome automatically, for example03:59
no0ticit recognized synaptic touchpad but not installed the proper drivers03:59
lamont_rpitti: fwiw, warty-{security,updates} are fixed everywhere, hoary-{security,updates} aren't yet, but should't matter04:01
pittilamont_r: right, I don't use hoary-security yet04:01
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lamont_rI've fixed the script, and will fix hoary later today, I expct04:02
elmowhy the hell is bazaar-doc in universe?04:02
lamont_relmo: because it's not seeded, of course.04:02
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pittithom: btw, did you upload apache for hoary as well?04:03
thomnot yet04:04
thomgonna do an upload to unstable and get it synced04:04
pittithat's even better04:04
pittiI just want to keep track :-)04:04
jdubi can't stay awake for CC04:07
Keybukit's TB today04:08
ograjdub: you really sleep too much :p04:08
jduboh yeah04:08
jduboh, my evo is wrong04:08
pittisivang: you want the culmus package with the langpacks, right?04:09
pittisivang: since this is in universe right now, can you please talk about this package in today's TB?04:10
ograpitti: regarding the ML it should move into main soon04:11
pittiogra: on which ML?04:13
ogra-devel i think....someone wrote that culmus is quite necessary for hebrew04:13
pittiogra: yes, right. and I answered that I would add it as soon as it is in main04:14
pittiogra: that's why I want to propose that in the TB04:14
ograargh....blind me04:14
pittiogra: because strictly speaking it is far too late to change the seeds 04:14
ogra just saw it04:14
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seb128elmo: here ?04:34
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ogralamont_r: TB meeting in 30....04:36
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lamont_rmdz about>04:36
Kamionlamont_r: supported: * bazaar-doc            # docs for bazaar04:37
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lamont_rKamion: works for me...04:37
Kamionlamont_r: it's been there for a while04:38
lamont_rwonder if that just got committed?04:38
Kamionso I blame elmo ;)04:38
lamont_ryep.  muppet-error04:38
Kamion2004-12-07 11:32:08 GMT James Troup <james.troup@canonical.com> patch-4804:38
Kamion    Summary:04:38
Kamion      Add bazaar-doc.04:38
lamont_rmaybe that's why he noticed?04:38
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lamont_rdamn you Kamion 04:38
lamont_rdammit.  need to be at tb04:41
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Kamionhell yeah04:43
lamont_rKamion: hell yeah remove it , or hell yeah I need to be at tb?04:45
Kamionremoving it, once the alternative is in place04:46
lamont_rKamion: or even without the alternative?04:47
Kamionnot so convinced about that04:47
lamont_ryeah - we'd have to make exim4 a virtual package, or change a bunch of Depends. :-)04:47
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mdzlamont_r: am now04:49
lamont_rmdz: I was debating the virtues of MLKJ+1 day vs the t-b meeting, then I read the agenda, and the question was solved.04:49
lamont_rmdz: although if we could do mail first, then I can run off for the hour or 2 that I really want to run off for, and celebrate MLKJ+2 day instead. :-)04:50
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pittiHi mdz04:52
mdztech board meeting in ~6 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting04:53
fabbionehey mdz04:53
pittisivang: ping04:53
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mdzhmm, oo.o2 still not building04:58
mdzand the latest version isn't in the archive, though I think I know how to fix the most recent build failure04:58
fabbioneneither oo1 for i38604:58
fabbionehaggai: ping04:58
thomseb128: you bribed someone to fix find in epiphany?05:01
elmoseb128: ?05:01
elmokamion: germinate.output:? Unknown supported package: bazaar-doc05:01
elmoam I being particularly dense or something?05:02
seb128thom: find extension working, I'm testing right now and will upload a cvs snapshot in a few min05:02
seb128chpe did it05:02
Kamionelmo: is that germinate run including universe?05:02
fabbioneelmo: do you want me try to upload again and see if timeouts?05:02
seb128elmo: python2.4-libxml2 is in universe ... I changed the desktop seed before uploading it, that's not enough to get it into main ?05:03
thomseb128: SWEEET!05:03
elmoKamion: yeah05:03
elmofabbione: no, not yet, I haven't added debug code05:04
fabbioneelmo: ok05:04
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seb128elmo: python2.4-libxslt1 will probably be in the same case we python2.4-libxml2 is here to build libxslt105:04
Kamionelmo: just trying it for myself now05:05
seb128haggai: you need a pbuilder (and a fast box) to test your build-deps :p05:06
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lamont_rseb128: or even better, an sbuild setup05:08
lamont_rsince pbuilder and sbuild use different logic to pick the build-deps to install..05:09
elmoseb128: caught up, sorry05:09
lamont_rthat is, assuming that you have any | build-deps...05:09
seb128elmo: np05:09
seb128lamont_r: yeah, that's probably OO.o's case05:09
Kamionmdz: in case you haven't seen it, I made a casper change earlier to take advantage of the extra tweak I added to anna; behind the scenes I also removed archive-copier from udeb_include, which should further stop anna trying to pull in partman via dependencies05:11
lamont_rseb128: almost certainly - without even looking... :-)05:12
mdzKamion: I haven't done mail yet05:12
Kamionlive CD will need retesting after that05:12
KamionI didn't test the live CD, but I did test an identical change to rescue05:12
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Kamionelmo: haha05:22
Kamionelmo: germinate doesn't like the tabs following bazaar-doc05:22
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elmoit doesn't .strip()?05:22
Kamion            if pkg.find(" ") != -1:05:23
Kamion                pkg = pkg[:pkg.find(" ")] 05:23
Kamionlet me just check that that isn't my fault ...05:23
KeybukKamion: ?05:23
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seb128who is taking care of samba around ?05:25
Kamionyep, it's in Keybuk's last version :)05:25
Kamionok, willfix05:25
Keybukwhat's that doing?05:26
haggaiseb128: yeah, it's quicker to reupload than to rebuild...05:26
Keybukyou can't insert literal tabs into Moin, can you ?!05:26
elmoKeybuk: we stopped using moin for the seeds, they're in tla as text files now05:26
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Kamionlike ages ago05:27
Kamionpkg = pkg.split()[0]  seems simpler and saner05:28
KeybukI don't think I knew about pkg.split() then :p05:28
seb128grumpf, forgotten the TB again05:28
elmoKamion: [1]  surely?05:29
elmo[0]  will be the *05:29
elmotho I'm assuming pkg is the whole line05:29
Kamionelmo: " * " has already been stripped by that point, it's not the whole line any more05:30
elmoah, ok, sorry05:31
Kamionok, seems to work, let me test a bit more05:31
Kamionelmo: can I have the debugging bits from that failed germinate upgrade?05:31
elmoKamion: ah, fair point05:32
elmoI'll try again05:32
thomseb128: < thaytan> xsltproc is suddenly crashing here building gstreamer docs05:34
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seb128thom: known issue, need new libxslt 1.12 which has been uploaded ~1 hour ago05:35
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elmoKamion: meh, never mind05:40
elmoyou changed the name of the input files, that's what broke me05:40
Kamionelmo: I did?05:41
Kamionelmo: oh, I changed Packages to hoary_main_Packages, sorry ...05:41
Kamionelmo: TBH I'd recommend you start using the multi-component support, then you don't have to deal with those filenames at all05:42
fabbionemvo__: ping05:42
Kamionelmo: I fixed germinate to stop trashing any file: mirror you point it at, too05:42
elmoI dealt with multi-component by catting them together, it works well enough ;P05:42
mvo__fabbione: pong05:42
fabbionemvo__: the last aptitude ubuntu7 bombs on sparc05:42
fabbionexsltproc -o output-html/ ./../aptitude-html.xsl ./aptitude.xml05:42
fabbionemake[5] : *** [doc-html-stamp]  Bus error05:42
fabbionei have never seen this error on all the other versions05:43
mvo__fabbione: a bad libxml205:43
elmofabbione: see scroll back05:43
Kamionelmo: sorry, I'd forgotten that you were depending on those names, I'd been considering them internal05:43
thomfabbione: see what i said to seb a few minutes ago05:43
elmokamion: "Packages" ?? 05:43
mvo__fabbione: or rather, a bad libxml2 + libxslt combination05:43
fabbioneah ok05:43
elmoanyway no prob now I know05:43
Kamionelmo: well, germinate downloads to them :-)05:43
mvo__a new upload is on the way05:43
fabbionemvo__: yes i saw ubuntu8 already05:43
mvo__fabbione: it will work again when libxslt_1.1.12 has entered the archive05:45
fabbionemvo__: ok thanks. i will keep an eye on it05:46
mvo__np. and cheers to seb128 because he did the new libxslt upload :)05:47
haggaifabbione: oo1 - seems the moz libs have changed which breaks OOo's internal moz libs05:50
fabbionehaggai: ah05:51
fabbionehow to fix it?05:51
fabbionebecause it fails only on i38605:51
haggaiah, yeah that will be the only arch that actually uses the moz stuff, it's disabled on all the rest05:51
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haggaiwe could disable it on i386 too05:52
seb128lamont_r: can you kick the libxslt build ?05:52
fabbionehaggai: ok.. do you have a fix for it?05:52
lamont_rhow's it blocked?05:52
haggaifabbione: I'll have to look, as with all things OOo it'll take a while to sort out05:52
fabbionehaggai: ok. does OOo forks its build? aka make -j X ?05:53
seb128lamont_r: probably waiting for python2.4-libxml2 which was in universe due to a name change05:53
seb128lamont_r: elmo has moved it to main05:53
fabbionehaggai: if so i have a pretty fast build cluster over here05:54
Kamionelmo: fix committed, patch-3105:54
lamont_rif it's dep-wait for somthing that now exists, all is well, and will kick sortly. If it's dep-wait on a package name that will never exist, then I need to fix it... whch is it?05:54
seb128lamont_r: first05:54
haggaifabbione: it can fork but it isn't reliable05:55
seb128lamont_r: and it creates probably a lot of ftbfs since doc build segfault with the old libxslt05:55
seb128lamont_r: so better to build it asap05:55
haggaifabbione: strangely enough, OOo2 has now failed on the buildd too for exactly the same reason, even though it didn't on my system.  Maybe I can build-conflicts with something05:56
fabbionehaggai: interesting....05:57
fabbionehaggai: let me know what you figure out. i need to put oo1 back asap05:57
haggaifabbione: I can take over05:58
elmoKamion: seems a lot happier now05:58
elmo(not patch-31, just the new germinate in general)05:58
fabbionehaggai: i don't think you can upload to main, can you?05:58
fabbionehaggai: if so just go ahead.. it's fine for me05:58
haggaifabbione: sure I can05:58
fabbionethanks a lot!05:58
haggaino probs05:58
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haggaiseems the latest evo made the change05:59
seb128what change ?05:59
haggaithat pulls in the extra symbol via moz somehow05:59
haggaimy build env didn't have newest evo05:59
fabbionei knew..06:00
elmoand bazaar-doc comes into main with patch-3106:00
fabbioneit's always GTK at fault :P06:00
seb128evolution-data-server probably06:00
seb128which symbole ?06:00
haggaiseb128: yup, that project is linking against libebook06:00
haggaiChecking DLL ../../../unxlngi4.pro/lib/check_libevoab2.so ...: ERROR: /usr/lib/libsoftokn3.so: undefined symbol: PR_GetLibraryFilePathname06:00
haggailibnspr4.so contains the new sym06:01
haggaiit wouldn't be such a problem if OOo's moz stuff wasn't so b0rken06:01
seb128haggai: I'll fix eds in a min06:05
sivangpitti: pong06:08
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fabbionelamont_r: adding universe to the buildd... i noticed that the output of quinn-diff adds universe/ to the list06:10
fabbionenow. in my wanna-build i added qw(main universe)06:10
fabbionewill that preserve the priority of building main before universe?06:10
fabbioneor do i need to do some more magic?06:10
elmono, you need to patch it06:10
fabbionewell i want to prioritize packages from main06:10
lamont_rfabbione: I think the w-b in the admin archive has elmo's patch in it.06:11
elmofabbione: check out chinstrap:~james/wanna-build06:11
elmooh, ok06:11
lamont_rand I'll double check that today06:11
fabbioneyes i am using the one from db.d.o06:11
fabbioneor admin.. or whatever06:11
fabbioneelmo: is that sufficient to your knowledge?06:12
elmofabbione: dunno, diff the one you have with the one I put on chinstrap06:12
elmo                $sectval{"universe/$i"} = $sectval{$i}+80;06:13
fabbioneelmo: ok thanks06:13
elmo                $componentval{"universe/$i"} = 1;06:13
elmoand that are the two key lines06:13
lamont_relmo: it's there06:13
lamont_rfabbione: the admin archive in the data center, not debian's.06:14
lamont_ryou'll need that for package translation stripping as well..06:14
fabbionelamont_r: no i have the one from debian...06:14
fabbionereplacing it now ;)06:14
haggaiseb128: do you think there's something fixable?  I think it's probably OOo's fault06:15
seb128<seb128> haggai: I'll fix eds in a min06:15
haggaiseb128: I wasn't expecting you to fix anything06:16
seb128libebook1.2-dev need to depends on libnspr-dev06:16
seb128that's an eds bug06:16
seb128since libebook is linked with it06:16
haggaioh, right.  Another problem, then.06:17
haggaiIt won't actually fix my OOo problem because OOo has an internal copy of the moz lib06:17
seb128you said that's due to eds06:18
seb128(just a quick question out of this, a friend is pinging me, OO.o crash in debian for his user with that:06:18
seb128sh: crash_report: command not found06:18
seb128Fatal exception: Signal 1106:18
seb128and works as root .. any idea on what could be wrong ?)06:19
fabbioneelmo: do i also need the /C/ switch?06:22
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haggaino.  people sometimes report such a problem, but it can be several problems06:22
elmofabbione: oh, yeah06:22
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elmoI think06:22
haggaiseb128: it could be an unreadable font, or unreadable files in his home directory.  Get him to try moving ~/.sversionrc and ~/.openoffice away and try again06:23
fabbioneelmo: ok thanks06:23
seb128haggai: ok thanks. He says that oo.o was working fine with wmaker and crashes since he switched to GNOME .... noooooo, not a new GNOME bug :p06:24
haggaiseb128: yuk06:25
elmoiz always gtk bug06:26
haggaiand almost always has something to do with evo.. 06:26
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haggaiseb128: I already have that moz lib installed on my hoary chroot and oo1 still isn't building on it06:28
haggaiso I have to fix OOo :(06:28
seb128haggai: libnspr-dev ?06:29
haggaiseb128: yes06:33
elmoRiddell: ?06:35
elmo   * Build fixes06:35
elmoplease document what you actually changed in changelogs06:35
Riddellelmo: fair point06:36
Riddellelmo: will you delete that one and get me to reload or let it pass?06:36
elmoit's already gone in, I'm just asking for future ref06:37
lamont_rRiddell: I save comments like 'stupid typo' for arch logs. :-)06:39
lamont_rthe changelog gets 'stupid typo in postinst was causing dpkg-divert to fail' or some such.06:39
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lamont_rseb128: libxslt is uploaded on at least one architecture now...06:41
seb128lamont-away: cool, thanks06:41
Mithrandirargh, my x40 fan has started making annoying noises.06:43
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KamionMithrandir: that's your fault for buying an x4006:47
Mithrandirbah, I'll just call IBM and get them to fix it.06:48
sabdflKamion: j-e-a-l-o-u-s-y ;-)06:49
elmothat seems to be a feature of IBM laptop's, Marianne's is MIGRANE-INDUCINGLY loud06:54
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thommine is silent unless i'm building firefux06:56
Mithrandirmine used to be silent until this morning06:56
danielsfabbione: pong06:57
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fabbionedaniels: too late.. i can't remember what i had to ask..07:00
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mdzhaggai: build-depends: bzip2 :-)07:03
danielsfabbione: TOO LATE OH WELL07:04
fabbionei just can't remember07:04
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haggaimdz: for OOo? gah, thx07:05
mdzUnpacking OO.o build tree - [ go make some tea ]  ...07:06
mdztar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory07:06
mdztar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now07:06
mdzajmitch: the universe-only process is a simplified way for people to get upload privileges to universe07:07
dokomdz: Charles asked me about Python module packages that need to be updated for 2.4. these from universe?07:07
mdzajmitch: sabdfl will be documenting it shortly07:08
mdzdoko: universe, yes07:08
elmogar source-only uploads SUCK for checking packages07:08
Kamionprivate buildd farm just for NEW, whose output gets thrown away on ACCEPT? :)07:09
Kamion(yes, crack, I know)07:09
haggaielmo: yeah, now if the ftpmasters documented and packaged their buildds properly I would have solved that ;)  as it is I'm still working on it07:09
T-BoneKamion: heh ;) btw, got my mail?07:09
elmohaggai: huh?  I'm talking about NEW07:10
elmoKamion: seriously, that's been on our TODO list for sometime, it's a relaly good idea07:10
haggaielmo: ah I thought you were complaining bitterly about all my OOo2 br0ken source uploads..07:10
elmoas it is, I'm abusing BATTLESTAR concordia to do the same thing in a more manual fashion07:10
elmoTake that Cylon scum!07:10
Kamionelmo: doesn't it mean building not-even-slightly-vetted stuff though? that's why I thought it'd be crack07:10
KamionT-Bone: yeah, just buried in main-menu at the moment07:11
Kamion(it's grubby in here)07:11
T-BoneKamion: k np. I suppose it'll be in tomorrow's snapshot?07:11
elmoKamion: well, it's come from a known person - better it breaks in the known-to-be-dangerous buildd enviornment than for 11 architectures07:11
KamionT-Bone: hope so, I'm not doing much else tonight07:11
Kamionelmo: oh I guess it's been gpg-checked by that point, duh07:11
T-BoneKamion: sure, lemme know when you have more time. No hurry on my side ;)07:12
KamionT-Bone: what I meant was "yes, will do tonight" :-)07:12
ograso who is able to edit the CoC webpage.... ?07:12
ograelmo ?07:12
T-BoneKamion: ;o)07:12
elmoogra: why?07:12
KamionI don't think we need to go back and forth by e-mail any more, so I just need to apply the patch and tweak07:12
elmo[I don't think I am tho] 07:12
KamionI can but would rather not; try mako?07:12
ograelmo: for adding a link to a txt version of the CoC07:13
T-BoneKamion: k. If you have hints for me wrt my specific questions, that'd be cool ;)07:13
ograelmo: to make signing easier07:13
KamionT-Bone: yeah, will reply to those07:13
T-Bonethx a lot07:13
ograelmo: sabdfl just assigned it to me07:13
ograelmo: are you the guy ?07:13
elmoogra: hmm, *shrug* I can edit it, so yeah, I guess07:14
ograhmm, so who is the one ? mako ?07:14
elmoblah.  kde.  makes even concordia slow and boring07:14
ograelmo: great :)07:14
ograelmo: fine :) http://www.grawert.net/CoC.txt07:14
elmohmm, can you get the text version on the website?07:15
Riddellelmo: if you said that in #ubuntu jdub would tell you off07:15
makoi'm happy to edit the coc webpage07:15
T-Bonehi mako!07:15
makoT-Bone: hola07:15
elmoRiddell: jdub tells me off all the time anyway07:15
ograyay mako07:15
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ogramako: could you add my text doc to download to the site please ?07:16
ogramako: http://www.grawert.net/CoC.txt07:16
T-BoneKamion: side note: Thierry tested 20050117 on a SCSI zx2000 without trouble, afaict. Will check on my zx6000 anyway tomorrow's image07:17
ogramako: and porbaly re-read it before putting it up ... just in case ;)07:17
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ograthaks :)07:17
elmodoes KDE install it's docs as .docbook files in the .deb?07:19
crimsunyes, at least looking at kdebase-bin07:22
elmoboggle.. ok07:22
Riddellelmo: no, .html is generated at compile time07:22
crimsunRiddell: what of the .docbooks?07:22
mdzKamion: did you test casper with the new anna stuff?07:23
elmoRiddell: they don't seem to be in kipi-plugins?07:23
mdzKamion: it seems likely that it's missing some dependencies07:23
mdz(e.g., hw-detect-full)07:23
trukuloogra, tell me07:23
ograi'll prepare it tonight ;)07:24
trukuloogra, tomorrow i'll update a better package07:24
trukulocorrected by DD07:24
ogragreat !07:24
trukuloand i'll make a ITP07:24
ograso i'll wait a day07:24
makoogra: i am going to run to the store quickly... i'm add it when i get back :)07:24
ogramako: will be enough i think :)07:24
Riddellelmo: kipi-plugins has no docs that I've seen07:25
Kamionmdz: I tested rescue, which has equivalent disk detection requirements; it's fine07:26
elmo-rw-r--r-- root/root      1517 2004-12-12 09:33:35 ./usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kipi-plugins/borderimages.docbook07:26
elmo-rw-r--r-- root/root       813 2004-12-12 09:33:35 ./usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kipi-plugins/findduplicateimages.docbook07:26
elmo-rw-r--r-- root/root      1087 2004-12-12 09:33:35 ./usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kipi-plugins/acquireimages.docbook07:26
elmoRiddell: ^---07:26
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Kamionmdz: oh, but rescue-mode depends on harddrive-detection; I think you should do the same in casper07:27
Kamion(hw-detect-full provides harddrive-detection)07:27
KamionI didn't realise you weren't depending on that explicitly07:27
Kamionmdz: to be pedantically correct you should also depend on casper-check, since you db_get a template defined there07:28
Riddellelmo: ok I'm wrong, some packages generate the HTML at compile time and some at build time07:29
Riddells/build time/doc reading time/07:30
elmowell ignore the third item in my REJECT mail then :)07:30
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no0ticit's useful if I describe my experience with hoary array 2 installation?07:36
Kamionyes, but a mailing list might be a better place than IRC07:37
Kamionor bug reports for specific issues07:38
Kamionif you're not sure where bug reports should go, a general installation report is fine too07:38
elmohmm, I should probably schedule some time to try hoary installs on all our servers types07:38
Kamionthat would be nice, esp. for hotpluggish hardware detection07:39
no0ticI would like to know if my problems are normal problems or there something strange07:39
Kamiondamn, my reduced libc doesn't have scandir; wonder if it's easier to reimplement in opendir/readdir/closedir or to rebuild the initrd ...07:40
Kamionno0tic: what was the first thing that went wrong?07:40
no0ticKamion: after the installation the system rebooted and xorg didn't come up because it found synaptics touchpad but not installed the drivers07:42
Kamionoh, not stuff I know about then07:42
Kamionmail the list :-)07:42
no0ticKamion: then I had to install gdm manually but it didn't start because of a font problem07:42
no0ticKamion: where can I find it?07:43
Kamiondid you choose to install software from the network?07:43
Kamionif so, try the other way: answer "no" to that question, and you won't be vulnerable to recent archive changes07:43
no0ticKamion: I installed from cd07:43
Kamionyes, I know, but it asks you whether you want to install updates from the network07:44
no0ticah, ok, I thought it installed it from cd and then tried to update packages from the net with no avail07:44
no0ticthen it's clear07:44
Kamionit tries, but tolerates some kinds of failure, like the network not being there07:45
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mdzKamion: ok, will add a dep on harddrive-detection in my next upload07:46
mdzKamion: and casper-check07:46
Kamionok, cool07:46
mdzKamion: I've been working out how to debconfize the hardcoded stuff in casper07:46
Kamionmdz: note you'll need a new rebuild from little before partman disappears07:46
mdzKamion: how evil would it be for me to use debconf to pass data from one casper hook to another?07:46
Kamionin what way?07:47
Kamionsetting questions as a means of communication is fairly non-evil in d-i07:47
Kamionif that's what you mean07:47
mdze.g., 15swap does db_input casper/swap/devices, and then a later script db_gets that to write it into fstab07:47
Mithrandirmdz: do you want UVF exception request by mail rather than by IRC?07:47
Kamionreally db_input? as in ask the user?07:47
mdzpriority low07:47
mdzdefaulting to "auto"07:47
Kamionyeah, that sort of thing's fine IMHO as long as the ordering's defined07:47
mdzin which case it finds one and db_sets it07:48
Kamionpartman's no different really07:48
mdzMithrandir: yes, email elmo, CC me+jdub07:48
Kamionin d-i, debconf is allowed to be a registry ;-)07:48
ajmitchis the mono packaging for ubuntu just based off the debian packaging?07:48
mdzthat was the essence of my question :-)07:48
Mithrandirmdz: ok07:49
thomajmitch: it *is* the debian packaging07:49
ajmitchthom: right, so I should bug them07:49
mdzKamion: what do you think about moving those symlinks from casper-udeb to localechooser, hw-detect, netcfg, etc.?07:50
ajmitchabout 1.0.5 being released for a month or so07:50
Kamion(in death, a member of Project Mayhem has a name.)07:50
crimsunajmitch: meebey and zomb will just smite you.07:50
Kamionmdz: I'm inclined to think it's cleaner than dangling symlinks in casper-udeb ...07:50
ajmitchcrimsun: I'm sure :)07:50
mdzKamion: I agree, but as far as actually getting the changes in07:50
mdzKamion: should I upload them, or will you?07:50
crimsunajmitch: the decision to use 1.0.4 instead of 1.0.5 was based on the latter consisting mainly of documentation updates.07:50
ajmitchcrimsun: but I can help them out07:51
Kamioneither's fine, I can do it tonight if you like07:51
mdziirc, the udeb process doesn't really care about file overlaps, so we don't really need to synchronize07:51
ajmitchI see07:51
Kamionthe last udeb in lexicographical order wins, as far as stuff in the initrd goes07:51
KamionTBH I can't remember what happens with stuff installed by udpkg at run-time07:51
Kamionmm, yeah, it doesn't care either07:52
mdzKamion: they'll be identical anyway07:54
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mdzsince you're probably going to upload some of those as time goes on anyway, I think it makes sense for you to do it07:54
mdzno particular hurry07:54
KamionI'll just blitz them :)07:54
Kamionit'll need an initrd rebuild before it takes effect though07:55
mdzKamion: did you see that report on ubuntu-devel of vga16fb apparently using 80x30 characters on an 80x24 screen?07:55
Kamionmdz: yes; unfortunately the same applies the other way round on some hardware07:56
mdzhas that ever been reported before?07:56
Kamionyeah, it happens from time to time07:56
Kamionsome people have to use vga=<blah>07:56
Kamionbut if you try vga=791 (or whatever) on other hardware you get the same bug07:56
KamionI haven't seen a single sane solution that works everywhere07:56
mdz80x24 on 80x30 seems better than 80x30 on 80x24 ;-)07:57
Kamionno, not that way07:57
KamionI have systems that overflow the screen on vga=79107:57
Kamionwhichever one you pick you lose similarly07:57
Kamionit's documented on one of the isolinux help screens07:58
KamionI'd like to see a better solution, but I fear that it has to be a (vga16|vesa)fb fix in the kernel rather than a configuration change07:59
mdzhaggai: weird, when I uudecode src/images_kde-m62-1.zip.uu, I get a .zip archive that unzip can't extract07:59
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haggaimdz: that's not normal08:02
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mdzArchive:  src/images_kde-m62-1.zip08:27
mdz  End-of-central-directory signature not found.  Either this file is not08:27
mdzhaggai: well, so long as it builds on the buildds...08:27
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elmoogra: 08:37
elmoogra: you're missing a build-depend on debmake08:37
Mithrandiroh no! not debmake.08:37
Mithrandirplease, not debmake.08:37
elmoand debmake is REALLY old and crap, if at all possible you should fix the package to use something a little less 70's08:37
Mithrandirgcc should conflict with debmake or something.08:38
elmoogra: also, you need to put the actual license into the debian/copyright file08:38
elmonot just who has copyright on it08:38
ograi'll do, sorry to make fuss08:39
elmoit's no prob08:39
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=== thom kicks the bts scripts
Kamionthom: hm?08:48
thomthey appear to be ignoring DEB{FULLNAME,EMAIL}08:49
Kamionoh you mean /usr/bin/bts08:49
Kamionit does honour DEBEMAIL08:50
Kamioner, and apparently DEBFULLNAME too ...08:50
Kamionstrange, should work08:50
thomber, wonder why it sent from thom@localhost.localdomain then08:50
thomoh well08:50
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Riddellare the buildd's running?  my gwenview package hasn't compiled in several hours08:54
mdzKamion: what do you want to do about getting the proper language pack installed initially?08:54
mdzRiddell: was it accepted?08:55
Riddellyep gwenview_1.1.8-1ubuntu3_source.changes ACCEPTED08:56
elmohave you checked for build logs?08:57
Kamionmdz: I'll just hack it in base-config, but nobody answered me when I asked earlier what packages I was supposed to install08:57
mdzRiddell: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gwenview/1.1.8-1ubuntu2/08:57
elmogenerally speaking the buildds are always running, the downtime over the weekend was exceptional08:57
mdzfailed on all architectures08:57
mdzsilly me, I assumed he meant that no builds had been _attempted_ :-P08:58
elmoso your first thing to do when asking "where's my package" is to check the build logs and/or state08:58
mdzRiddell: that and other gems are on http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/DeveloperResources08:58
Riddellmdz: it was ubuntu3 I was asking about, not ubuntu208:58
mdzRiddell: what's the date on the ACCEPTED email?08:59
Riddellmdz: ue, 18 Jan 2005 16:40:03 +000008:59
Riddellmdz: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:40:03 +000008:59
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elmomeh, crap cron.daily broke due to germinate09:01
Kamionelmo: oops09:01
KamionRiddell: have you heard of "seeds"?09:02
Kamionlike the base seed and the desktop seed09:02
RiddellKamion: yes09:03
mdzRiddell: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/SeedManagement09:03
KamionRiddell: ok, germinate is the program that expands the list of seeds (which is in fairly minimal form, basically "these are the packages we're interested in") and expands out their dependencies so that they can be fed to things like the archive management scripts and the CD-building scripts09:03
sivangcould everybody who are Ubuntu Members add theirselves here : https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuMembers09:04
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RiddellKamion: I see09:05
mdzsivang: they should all be in the community council transcripts09:09
Kamionprobably not all the Canonical staff though09:09
Kamionthey should probably either be in order of joining or in alphabetical order09:10
Kamion(by surname, I'd recommend)09:10
sivangmdz,Kamion : note take, however I think it would me more efficient to let people add themselves?09:10
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Riddellwhy should a description synopsis not start with a capital letter darnit09:11
sivangRiddell: hehe09:11
mdzRiddell: lintian -i09:12
KamionRiddell: that's a recent stupidity in lintian09:13
sivangmdz: I will add people whom I find approved int he CC transcripts though as a starting ground.09:13
KamionRiddell: it's been dropped in Subversion trunk of lintian09:14
RiddellKamion: I'm pleased to hear it :)09:14
RiddellI hope the silly desktop-file-in-wrong-dir test gets fixed too09:14
Kamionoccasionally lintian gets slightly more overrun by pedantry than it should09:14
Kamionnot familiar with that test09:14
KamionI doubt many of the other lintian maintainers are either; it probably needs somebody to go and explain all the issues09:15
Riddellshould I report it as a beastie to debian or ubuntu?09:16
jvwas a lintian maintainer, yes, that was a fuckup09:16
Riddelljvw: the desktop one?09:16
jvwwe failed to do enough QA on the upload, due to rushing out the security thingy09:16
jvwRiddell: amongst others09:16
KamionRiddell: see #28977309:16
jvwthe desktop was too strict, the capitilization too09:16
jvwboth have been removed09:16
jvwI've removed the warnings about hardlinks too for hardlinks within the same dir09:17
jvwand somebody else removed the waring about starting with an article09:17
jvw(in the short description)09:17
ograTreenaks....you need a wiki page to become a memeber.....(just a reminder)09:19
Treenaksogra: I have a wikipage.. it's just that my name is "strange"09:19
Treenaksogra: (and it's not completely filled in yet)09:19
ograhttps://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuMembers ?09:19
sivangdoes anybody know if we have a "make yourself a local ubuntu archive" howto?09:19
Treenaksogra: it's linked from DutchTeam09:20
sivangand the link to it, if I may ask.09:20
Treenaksogra: it's "Martijn"09:20
Treenaksogra: not "Martin"09:20
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Treenaksogra: thanks!09:22
Kamionmdz: ok, all the symlink changes uploaded09:25
mdzKamion: doh, just uploaded casper09:25
mdzI'll remove them in the next one09:25
Kamionas I say it needs an initrd rebuild anyway09:25
Kamionmdz: hm, do you feel like adding a backdrop title to casper?09:26
Kamionsaying "Ubuntu Live CD" in the top left-hand corner of the screen09:26
Kamionor just "Ubuntu Live" or whatever09:26
mdzKamion: hah, I was just switching back to this window to ask you that09:27
mdzafter reading hoary-changes09:27
mdzhow do I do it?09:27
Kamionadd a template with the text of the backdrop title and 'Type: title'09:27
Kamionadd /lib/main-menu.d/10casper reading:09:27
Kamion#! /bin/sh09:27
Kamion. /usr/share/debconf/confmodule09:27
Kamiondb_x_setbacktitle casper/backtitle09:28
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Kamiond'oh, guard that with db_get casper/enable and a check that $RET is true09:28
mdzdo I need to wait for an initrd with the new cdebconf?09:28
mdzKamion: also, is there an existing debconf template I can borrow in place of casper-udeb/adduser/username ?09:29
Kamionno, but you do need an initrd with the new main-menu09:29
mojo_Unusre of group ettiquite, but can I ask about audio config in Ubuntu here?  My sound works, but I want to re-order my sound cards.  Also, I need to do a post-install to echo a midi string (so my Audigy2 remote will work).  Thanks09:29
Kamion#! /bin/sh09:31
Kamion. /usr/share/debconf/confmodule09:31
Kamiondb_get rescue/enable09:31
Kamionif [ "$RET" = true ] ; then09:31
Kamion        db_x_setbacktitle rescue/backtitle09:31
Kamion^-- fixed main-menu.d script for rescue09:31
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Kamionmdz: perhaps you could just depend on initial-passwd-udeb instead?09:32
mdzKamion: I assume that expects /target to be mounted09:32
mdzwhich isn't true before casper runs09:32
Kamionthat depends on base-installer, but I could tweak that09:32
Kamionyes, it does09:33
Kamionwhen does post.d run?09:33
mdzafter pivot_root09:33
mdzwhich is when the adduser stuff currently happens09:34
Kamionyou could just 'dpkg-reconfigure passwd', then, with suitable passthrough magic09:34
mdzKamion: initial-passwd-udeb.postinst looks much like casper's X config script did before I did the passthrough stuff09:34
mdzin fact yours is more evil ;-)09:34
Kamionhey, I like mine :-) ... but yeah09:34
mdzI called prerm and postinst too09:34
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mdzKamion: dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Version}' passwd09:35
KamionI was cloning-and-hacking dpkg-reconfigure moderately literally there09:35
Kamion        $_=`dpkg --status $pkg`;09:35
Kamionpoint taken, but I was planning to kill that code09:36
Kamionmdz: passwd/username is the template in question, anyway09:36
mdzKamion: does it have a default?09:37
mdzhmm, i can't use that template unless initial-passwd-udeb is there, anyway09:37
mdzwe should find some way to share it though09:37
KamionI could split initial-passwd-udeb up, but that seems a bit evil09:38
Kamionyou can't just copy from debconf's templates database, because cdebconf requires UTF-8 templates09:38
mdzwhat's the menu order for initial-passwd-udeb?09:38
mdzif it's after casper, that should work09:38
Kamion72, but dependencies override menu-item order09:39
Kamionif you depend on initial-passwd-udeb it will be configured before you regardless09:39
mdzah, darn09:39
Kamionhey, doesn't this passthrough stuff pass the template data through?09:40
Kamionso why would you need the template data in cdebconf?09:40
mdzyes, that's much of the point09:40
mdzoh, right, the template is in passwd, not in the udeb09:40
Kamionso you can just 'dpkg-reconfigure passwd' after pivoting09:40
mdzI love it when a plan comes together09:41
mdzcan I let passwd.postinst create the user, too?09:41
elmogrr, fsh broke09:41
Kamionmdz: passwd.config already does that09:41
mdzKamion: .config creates the user??09:42
mdzmy word, it does09:42
KamionI try not to look at it too hard09:42
mdzisn't that evil?09:42
Kamionmdz: it's probably better than storing the password until .postinst gets round to running09:43
mdzKamion: it's no worse than storing it in shadow09:43
Kamionit's moderately evil, but works :) It does check whether adduser is there first.09:43
mdzassuming it could store the hash...09:43
mdzchpasswd certainly allows for that09:43
=== Kamion is not inclined to mess with it. :-)
mdzhmm, one problem09:44
mdzI need for the username question to be asked at below-default priority09:44
mdzwhile passwd.config will ask it at default-or-above priority09:44
eruinseb128: your gnome-vfs packages seem to do the trick09:44
Kamionhm, this sort of calls for the ability to preseed priorities (which doesn't exist, but we've talked about it)09:44
Kamionmdz: hack: look at debconf/priority, and if it's high or critical then set a default value09:45
Kamion(you may vomit now)09:45
eruinseb128: I've only restarted nine times, but so far so good09:45
mdzKamion: how about I just db_set it for now09:45
Kamionthat works09:45
seb128eruin: cool09:46
seb128eruin: thanks09:46
Kamionwhat about the password?09:46
mdzthe "let me specify a custom username" feature can wait09:46
mdzI don't set one, currently09:46
seb128eruin: "only" ? :) nine is quite a lot09:46
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eruinseb128: not where I'm coming from ;-)09:46
mdzdunno what passwd.config would do with that09:46
KamionI don't know if you'll need to tweak passwd.config to support that09:46
Kamionyou will09:46
Kamionit strikes me as a dangerous thing to support in the general case09:47
jdubgoooooood morning freedom lovers!09:47
KamionI'd almost be inclined to temporarily set a dummy password and then clear the password field in shadow afterwards09:47
ogramorning jdub :)09:47
mdznot an entirely silly idea09:48
elmoany reason why fsh didn't make the cut for main?09:48
mdz                                case "$RET" in09:48
mdz                                    "Martin Michlmayr")09:48
mdz                                        userdefault="tbm"09:48
mdzcan I get one of those too? :-P09:48
elmoI don't recall any objections to it in mataro09:49
mdzelmo: with pitti's review, it's ok with me09:49
elmomdz: with == if?09:50
mdzelmo: with == with09:50
mdzor with == "if it passes"09:50
elmouh, I'm confused. I mean has there been one09:50
mdzI wonder if there's a kernel tunable09:51
elmoauthbind which is suid managed to get in, but, hey, I'll not mention little details like that ;P09:51
mdzto say "my disk is ridiculously slow"09:51
mdz"aggressively swap stuff out to make room for cache"09:51
mdzwould be nice for casper09:51
mdzelmo: "managed to get in"?09:51
elmo  authbind | |         hoary | source, amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc09:52
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mdzelmo: am I mistaken in believing that stuff doesn't get in without your making it so?09:52
elmomdz: no?09:53
mdzor is it only that it didn't get a security review?09:53
elmoyeah, I'm just saying it didn't have a security review09:53
mdzmeaning that I said "yes", rather than "yes, pending review"?09:53
mdzif so, please retroactively send it to pitti for review09:53
elmoall of thom's changes went in en-masse.  I asked you about them on irc.. mailed you and jdub, and eventually assumed consent and added them09:54
jdubassumed consent09:54
mdzelmo: was it seeded, or a dependency?09:55
elmomdz: it was seeded09:55
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mdzelmo: when we reviewed these in Mataro, we specified which ones needed review09:55
mdzthey should be in thom's or whoever's notes09:55
mdzthom: ?09:57
mdzelmo: date or subject of the mail?09:57
elmoI'm not quite sure why I'm meant to be gatekeeper to the seeds like this?  they are commited to a public tla repo and it's not as if I didn't ask you09:57
mdzelmo: I believe you that you asked, but I wanted to dig up the list for reference09:58
thomif i had "needs security review" in my notes, that went into the seed as a comment09:59
mdzthe intent was that they got review before being added to the seed10:00
elmomdz: people.ubuntu.com/~james/to_sync.txt is the URL I sent you10:00
elmostill looking for the mail10:00
mdzthat's sufficient, thanks10:00
mdzlintian wasn't already there?  I could have sworn10:01
elmoI gues the mail would have been the same date as that file ~7 Jan10:01
thomno, we only had linda seeded due to the whole being python thing10:01
Kamionmdz: Christian Perrier seems to be the one determined to hand those out ;)10:01
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mdzthom: I thought we gave up and did both because they were complementary10:02
mdzKamion: hand what out?10:02
Kamionmdz: userdefault, above10:02
thommdz: yeah, at mataro10:03
Mithrandirdid we decide on what ipsec implementation to go with?10:07
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Kamion(mostly) gone for the evening, night all10:07
mdzKamion: db_set seems to set the value, but the question is still asked10:10
mdzKamion: joeyh mentioned something about the seen flag being ignored10:10
mdzKamion: how does preseed make this work?10:10
mdzdoh, missed him10:11
fabbionemdz: is it powernowd that loads all the cpu freq scaling modules?10:16
fabbionethom: you maintain it, right?10:16
jdubthom: (start backing away now.)10:17
fabbioneyou win 510310:17
jdubthis is one of those question... question... BULLET IN HEAD things10:17
fabbionedaniels: ah now i remember... 511710:17
jduboh man, people are talking about xpde on #ubuntu10:18
thomfabbione: gee, thanks10:21
fabbionethom: welcome :-)10:21
thomevince is pretty sweet, btw10:21
fabbioneat least it's easy10:21
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jdubthom: yeah, it's rad10:25
thomi guess we give up on gpdf for bendy and pin on this10:26
thomjdub: have you read dcbw's mail? NM is looking a lot saner, suddenly10:26
sivangthom: gpdf allows for easier and through gnome cups printing, is xpde also?10:26
sivang(in my experience)10:26
thomsivang: we're talking about evince10:26
ograsivang: xpde is a win XP desktop clone for linux10:27
ogra(the try of a clone though)10:27
sivangoops, I was referring to the differences between xpdf and gpdf.10:27
jdubthom: i got the colina followup ;)10:27
thomsivang: yeah, that's evince10:27
thomjdub: heh10:27
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thomjdub: and the original? :P10:28
sivangthom: do we have a package for xpde?10:28
jdubthom: lwresd and nss_lwres sound good10:28
jdubthom: we should get them into universe :)10:29
thomsivang: dude, i have no idea. like i said, i was talking about evince10:29
ograsivang: do you want to package it *g*10:29
sivangthom: ah ok, sorry....ergh I read too much gtk internal code today..maybe time for a break :)10:29
thomjdub: yes10:30
sivangogra: could be, yeah, my cousing would double his ubuntu systems in NYC if I get him a decent Xp desktop clone, he has already started moving some quite number of mahcines to ubuntu, and he was an MSDN subscriber..:)10:30
NafalloMithrandir: ping?10:31
jdubthom: replied10:31
jdubthom: congratulating colin for his sex change, too10:32
thomjdub: cool cool, i was leaving it till morning; i've been exhausted for no good reason today10:32
jdub08:21 < gjc> this is interesting, my xserver is keeping the state of capslock10:33
elmogod mysqldump has such fucked-in-the-head option parsing10:33
jdub             bound to the application currently with focus10:33
jdub08:22 < gjc> so if I turn capslock on then give focus to another window, it10:33
jdub             turns itself off10:33
jdubit's very cool10:33
jdubbut i don't think most users would like it10:33
jdubi'm reproducing that in hoary atm10:33
thomcapslock is crack10:33
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sivangevince looks nice, I wonder if it's better then gpdf, it has more top menu items that's for sure.10:33
jdubit is already better than gpdf in terms of pdf support10:34
elmoogra: ?10:34
ograstill errors ?10:35
elmoogra: mind some more comments on gcursor?10:35
ogrago on :)10:35
elmo Description: the program gcursor is a cursor theme managing software10:35
elmo  a little gtk program to change youre Xcursor with anitmated preview.10:35
elmoanimated and your10:35
ograah, i see10:35
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elmoand the first line should be something more like "a cursor theme managing software", without the leading preamble10:36
sivangjdub: has the emacs nifty incremental seach also, cooool10:36
elmosecond of all, you need to use lintian 10:36
ograi use debuild-pbuilder10:36
ogradpkg-buildpackage: source only upload (original source is included)10:37
ograNow running lintian...10:37
ograFinished running lintian.10:37
ograNow signing changes and any dsc files...10:37
ograseemed to go fine10:37
jvwelmo: if you're talking about the ^the... vorlon kicked that test out10:37
elmoogra: third, sorry, I wasn't clear, the GPL is a special case, you don't include the full thing in the copyright file because it's already in base-files, so you put a pointer to it in the copyright file, see any GPL package (e.g. dpkg) for an example10:37
elmojvw: I think "the program gcursor is" is redudant personally10:38
elmoogra: do you have lintian installed?  'cos it certainly comes up with a lot of output10:38
ograah, ok .... i already found the redundancy a bit bad....10:38
ograelmo: sure i have.... pbuilder ran it10:39
elmowell something's broken then10:39
elmoI mean see for yourself, run 'lintian gcursor*.deb'10:39
ograi just ran it on the dsc10:40
elmonah, you need to run it on the .changes or .deb10:40
elmojvw: is that lintian bug fixed in debian btw?10:40
elmothe desktop one10:40
elmo'cos if it is, we should probably sync it10:40
ogranope, nothing on .changes .... i'll build a deb, wait a sec10:41
jvwelmo: only in trunk10:41
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jvwelmo: this time, I *do* plan to do some QA before uploading :)10:41
elmoogra: dude, you did build a deb and test this before uploading, right? :p10:41
jvw(the security issue over-rushed the upload)10:41
ograelmo: argh, sorry i did build several debs of it ....but before the changes...sorry10:42
ograok...now i got all the errors...gah, dumb me10:42
elmojvw: ok, no prob, just checking10:43
jvwelmo: the three most obnoxious checks introduced have been backed out in trunk10:43
jvware at least, made less easy to be triggered10:43
elmoogra: oh, one last thing, please document what you actually change in the changelog10:45
elmoI think that was it10:45
sivangmdz: do you think simple-cdd is something good to use as a installer cd customization for ubuntu's d-i? can I use it completely unchanged in ubunut?10:46
ograok, i'll upload a new one in 10 mins....lets see then .... thanks for the effort :)10:46
mdzsivang: I don't know what simple-cdd is, so I cannot answer that10:51
sivangmdz: it's a custom debian distribution subproject I think, that allows you with some very few instruction and modifications to create a custome preseeded installer cd.10:52
MithrandirNafallo: yes?10:52
NafalloMithrandir: see #debian-amd64 :-)10:52
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mxpxpodthis may be a really dumb question, but is beagle going to be included on hoary?10:55
thommxpxpod: not too likely at this point10:57
mxpxpodthom: ok10:57
mxpxpodthom: is there any way to get it working on hoary? or do you have to install loads of cvs stuff?10:57
thomit's pretty easy actually, the nastiest bit is gmime10:58
mxpxpodthom: is there a guide somewhere?10:58
lamontthom: out of curiosity - would you rather I had uploaded the fix for laptop-detect?10:58
sladenmjg59: a thought, is vberestore 0x4f04 being called before PMinitialize to initialize the VideoBIOS state.10:59
kentsince no one could answere in #ubuntu, I'l try here. I saw the article from Davyd about gnome 2.10. It looked like the Hoary menu-design would be in Gnome 2.10, is that true? that would be very cool.10:59
thomlamont: oh,eh. totally forgot10:59
lamontthom: wasn't particularly meaning to prod you - was more curious in the general case10:59
sladenmjg59: eg, when coming out S3, or on boot without vesafb loaded10:59
thomlamont: i'm a bit concerned that it only just broke, what changed?11:00
jdubkent: yes11:00
sladenmjg59: it won't have been called by that time since the the Vesa Address grepping is done in 16-bit code11:00
thomlamont: ahr, guess you're seeing this on ia64?11:02
lamontthom: uh, actually hppa. 11:03
lamontand ppc, and ...11:03
thomwell, ppc survived all of ppc11:04
thomall of warty, i mean11:05
mxpxpodthom: how do I get thte dbus bindings for mono?11:06
mxpxpodor the mono bindings for dbus :)11:07
lamontthom: yeah, well. :-)11:08
lamontI finally got observant.11:08
sjoerdmxpxpod: libdbus-cil is in hoary's universe afaik11:08
mxpxpodsjoerd: for ppc?11:09
sjoerddunno, should be11:09
thomit probably needs to be given back11:10
jdubyou get bzip in, and people ask for 7zip11:11
jdubdaniels needs to fix libdbus-cil though11:11
mxpxpodjdub: thanks11:13
lamontmvo around?11:19
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ograelmo ?11:23
elmoogra: yeah, I just rejected the old 3 from NEW, you can reupload it if you like11:23
ograelmo ah great....i was fearing i had to raise the version number and was wondering why :)11:24
ograso next turn then....11:24
elmoogra: 'animated' still in the long description.. trivial tho, not worth an upload just for that11:26
elmoother than that it looks good11:27
Nafalloubuntu-bugzilla is here to stay or could we expect a replacement? :-P11:28
ograwow, finally.....fixing broken universe pkgs is quite easier11:28
elmoNafallo: there's working being done on a replacement bug tracking system11:28
elmogar sf mail archives are satanic11:29
elmodo thhey have a "download an mbox" type facility, does anyone know?11:29
Nafalloelmo: good :-). it's a bit awkward to sign bugs against UNKNOWN when you know EXACTLY what package that need the change ;-).11:30
ograNafallo: preview: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone11:31
kentogra, so ubuntu is not going to use bugzille later on?11:32
thomjdub: did you cc me on your response, or just to the list?11:33
ograi dont think so11:33
jdubjust the list11:33
sivangkent: take a look at malone launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone11:33
Nafalloogra: I think I'm in love :-).11:34
ograNafallo: take a look at rosetta too....its quite cool11:34
Nafalloogra: going :-)11:35
sivangNafallo: with Ubuntu?11:37
Nafallosivang: malone + rosetta :-)11:37
Nafallosivang: ubuntu on the other hand, I'm not sure about. drains my batterylife at 200% compared to deb :-P.11:38
Nafalloif not more...11:38
sivangNafallo: this is being worked on, should be no problem at future IIRC.11:39
Nafallosivang: yepp, and til sarge is released this is the choice for amd64 :-).11:39
ograNafallo: youre on amd64 ?11:40
Nafalloogra: yepp. 1.6GHz, 1024MB RAM and still lappy ;-).11:41
sivangNafallo: rosetta and malone are way cool, yes.11:41
Nafallosivang: they might be a reason to follow Ubuntu even longer :-).11:41
ograNafallo: 2.0 512MB lappie too ..... (and i wont give it away anymore)11:41
Nafallosivang: I COULD run fluxbox without security updates I guess ;-).11:42
Nafalloogra: no, why would you want to do that? :-)11:42
thomNafallo: 200% comparing with the same software load and the same workload11:43
sivangNafallo: you can, but well, you'd miss the good love of gnome :-) ah well, I guess it's lighter and drains less cpu cycles thus less battery :)11:44
ograelmo....looking at the build logs....is it true that all dependencys are installed and removed for every single build ?11:44
thomogra: that's the idea, yes11:45
Nafallothom: I try not to run unsupported things, but then again, I COULD ditch ubuntu-desktop if I wanted to ;-).11:45
ograwhy that ? that slows down the process a lot i imagine.....11:46
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thomNafallo: that really wasn't what i asked11:47
thomNafallo: are you comparing like for like?11:48
Nafallothom: then, the simple answer would be no.11:48
elmoogra: to ensure things are only compiled with what they asked for11:49
ograbut wouldnt it be faster to leave everything in place and just update missing bits and pieces ?11:50
elmoyes, but buildds aren't short of time11:50
sivangelmo: hmm, that can point some really nasty missing dependecies which would never appear on a regular preinstalled build system. This is also the case for debian?11:50
ograah, ok....11:50
sivangogra: or be elusive of the update bits scrips IMHO11:50
elmothe expensive things for buildds is the human time needed to fix build failures, not the time needed for successful builds 11:51
sivangelmo: two of them are POWER machines right?11:51
Nafallothom: ubuntu will however grew and universe could be more or less community supported. that's the plan right? to, at some time, pull in security support for universe?11:51
elmosivang: debian doesn't do source only uploads, so one architecture is usually built in a messy environment, but basically yeah11:51
jdubeither moving stuff to main, or doing community security for universe11:51
elmosivang: hmm?  there's 3 buildds of each architecture (i386, amd64, powerpc, ia64), the powerpc ones are Apple G5's11:52
Nafallojdub: in other words, I should probably stay with ubuntu on lappy instead of moving to etch :-). (rosetta and malone convinced me ;-)).11:52
sivangNafallo: ubuntu does so much good in catering for kernel updates, and laptop support already, that you would be better staying with it even without rosetta and malone :) I happen to have enjoyed the fact I don't need to recompile my kernel on the lappie everytime nvidia udpates their driver :) 11:54
Nafallosivang: seems easier to contribute here than in debian to :-).11:56
sivangNafallo: you wouldn't even imagine how much ...:) my test case is a good example I think.11:57
ograNafallo: wanna become a MOTU ?11:58
Nafalloogra: if you explain the last word(s) maybe ;-).11:59
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ograMaster of the universe :)11:59
ogra...universe maintainer.....11:59
thomyes, hence the queen song :-)12:00
Nafalloogra: I'll have to learn packaging first I believe? just have to find time to study that :-/.12:00
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elmoqueen song?  dude, it's all about He-Man12:01
jdubI HAVE THE POWER!12:01
ograNafallo: its quite easy to learn, just start with a program you like and package it for yourself for a while :),,,,there are a lot of helper tools that ease the work....12:01
T-Boneelmo: heh. Can't help it. I'm a Queen fan no matter what. And if you've seen Highlander, it's even worse :^)12:01
Nafalloogra: the problem is I want to learn from scratch and have an auto-ditch on helper-tools ;-).12:02
Nafalloogre: I've already signed some ITPs for my WLAN-driver in debian though :-).12:02
ograNafallo: hmm, setting up a debian directory in a source tree can become a pain i imagine :)12:03
Kamionmdz: easy, db_fset <question> seen true12:03
Nafalloogra: from what I've seen it's not THAT hard :-).12:03
Kamionmdz: that's exactly what preseed does12:03
mdzKamion: ok, thanks12:03
mdzI was confused by this:12:03
mdzJan 13 16:09:11 <joeyh> that wouldn't happen in d-i since we ignore seen flags12:03
Nafalloogra: just need time to read through everything ;-).12:04
ograNafallo: thats what i thought....until i uploaded my first _own_ package today....12:04
Nafalloogra: congrats! :-D12:04
Kamionmdz: well actually it's not quite what preseed does, it calls debconf-set-selections, but same difference12:04
thom2.6.10 seems to do less well under load that previous kernels here, anyone else care to corroborate?12:04
ograNafallo: thanks :)12:04
Kamionmdz: I think joeyh must have been referring to something subtly different, I'm slightly confused by what he meant by that12:04

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