[12:02] <thom> that's a bug in libdbus-cil; i've not seen it before tho
[12:02] <haggai> fabbione: Checking DLL ../../../unxlngi4.pro/lib/check_libevoab2.so ...: ERROR: /usr/lib/libsoftokn3.so: undefined symbol: PR_GetLibraryFilePathname
[12:02] <haggai> dmake:  Error code 1, while making '../../../unxlngi4.pro/lib/libevoab2.so'
[12:02] <haggai> looks like evo has changed
[12:04] <seb128> why me ?
[12:04] <haggai> seb128: evo :)
[12:04] <haggai> fabbione: I'll set a build running and have a look at it in the morning
[12:04] <seb128> haggai: what's wrong with it this time ?
[12:05] <haggai> seb128: dunno yet, the evo address book module has failed to compile
[12:05] <seb128> ftbfs from evo ?
[12:06] <seb128> no, the build logs are fine
[12:06] <seb128> which module is that ?
[12:06] <seb128> oh, openoffice
[12:06] <haggai> OOo has been broken by an evo source change
[12:06] <seb128> the change is the krb4/5 support 
[12:07] <seb128> it was off before and is on now
[12:07] <haggai> CFLAGS+=`pkg-config --cflags libebook-1.0`
[12:07] <haggai> libebook-1.0 is no more
[12:07] <seb128> no
[12:07] <seb128> but that's not new
[12:07] <seb128> -1.2 for eds 1.2 in hoary
[12:07] <haggai> yes, and that change broke OOo
[12:10] <seb128> time to update it so :)
[12:10] <haggai> indeed
[12:10] <haggai> I'm allowed to glare at you because of it though :)
[12:11] <jdub> thom: yeah, tberman recommends we ship 1.1, which is less buggy than 1.0 even though the 1.2 process has lagged for so long
[12:11] <thom> i knew he would ;-)
[12:11] <jdub> haggai: at least it's not a gtk bug :)
[12:12] <jdub> haggai: do you have a blog?
[12:13] <jdub> haggai: i want to read your adolescent poetry
[12:13] <seb128> jdub: 
 seb128: i've finally got a ffmpeg package to upload ;)
[12:13] <seb128> gst-ffmpeg that's it
[12:13] <azeem> haggai: yeah, where is your blog?
[12:13] <azeem> you promised me one
[12:13] <jdub> seb128: heh, rad
[12:16] <haggai> jdub: oh I'll make sure you can't read it by filling it with britishisms then :)
[12:16] <jdub> haggai: dude, i'm .au. we grok.
[12:17] <jdub> weeeeeell, mostly anyway
[12:17] <daniels> jdub: 'packaged openoffice today, innit'
[12:17] <jdub> haha
[12:20] <lamont> jdub: any final objection to cupsys-driver-gimpprint going into desktop?  ( #2113)
[12:20] <haggai> you'll have a job to erwig me
[12:20] <haggai> earwig
[12:22] <haggai> time to get some bo
[12:24] <jdub> lamont: go for it
[12:26] <jdub> haggai: so what's the go with OOo2.0? (rhyme! yeah!)
[12:27] <lamont> jdub/mdz: committed
[12:27] <lamont> with some whitespace cleanup, sadly
[12:27] <Mithrandir> jdub, you mean this?
[12:27] <Mithrandir> 21:14 < haggai> elmo: please can you allow openoffice2 in?
[12:27] <Mithrandir> 21:14 < haggai> openoffice.org2, I mean
[12:28] <jdub> pitti: WOOOOO!
[12:28] <jdub> Mithrandir: rad :)
[12:29] <lamont> jdub: thoughts on just syncing a new gnus from debian?  http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gnus/gnus_5.10.6-0.CVS.20050104-1/changelog
[12:29] <lamont> we need the first bug fix listed
[12:29] <lamont> not sure what else is changed...
[12:29] <lamont> alternatively, I could backport the fix - it's not particluarly painful
[12:30] <jdub> okay by me
[12:30] <lamont> jdub: is that sufficient process, or is there more?
[12:31] <jordi> mdz: so do you upload to tpu, or straight to unstable?
[12:31] <lamont> guess I should at least file a bug first, eh?
[12:31] <mdz> jordi: unstable
[12:31] <jordi> mdz: ok, AIUI, you already grabbed all the updates from CVS, right?
[12:32] <mdz> jordi: yes
[12:32] <jordi> ok
[12:32] <mdz> jordi: bubulle is doing some work organizing translations into arch
[12:32] <jordi> I know there are some typos still in apt :)
[12:32] <mdz> jordi: it would be ideal if I could receive translation updates via arch
[12:32] <jordi> mdz: great
[12:32] <jordi> nod
[12:34] <lamont> grumble... no gnus package in bz
[12:34] <jdub> lamont: strictly speaking, there should be a bugzilla bug to confirm
[12:34] <jdub> heh
[12:34] <lamont> 5605 would be that bug
[12:35] <lamont> like 60-90 minutes
[12:35] <lamont> jdub: feel free to confirm and poke elmo.  thanks.
[12:41] <mdz> daniels: what's the story with that framebuffer autodetection bug?
[12:42] <daniels> mdz: fixed locally, will upload with the rest of xorg later today
[12:42] <mdz> daniels: fabulous, thanks
[12:43] <daniels> mdz: no worries
[12:45] <jdub> mdz, elmo: xen is a bendy goal, right?
[12:45] <mdz> jdub: haven't thought about it much
[12:45] <mdz> hoary hoary hoary
[12:45] <elmo> I think it should be, esp. if we come to rely on it
[12:46] <jdub> elmo: hoary or bendy?
[12:46] <elmo> (of course talk is cheap and all that)
[12:46] <jdub> i'm writing about FC4 plans to udevel
[12:46] <thom> if we wind up needing it for automated testing, we're gonna need it for hoary, right?
[12:46] <jdub> thom: it has been downgraded
[12:46] <thom> "it"? automated testing?
[12:47] <jdub> yeah
[12:47] <elmo> jdub: if we're not doing auto-testing for hoary then bendy's fine.. hoary would be lovely, but I'm certainly not volunteering :(
[12:47] <thom> yay, one less feature goal!
[12:53] <jdub> haggai: so anyway, do you have a blog?
[12:56] <elmo> fabbione: ?
[12:57] <Mithrandir> elmo: he went to bed two hours ago
[12:58] <elmo> meh, fabbione's such a wimp - anyone would think he got up at 7 or something
[01:01] <Riddell> jdub: someone made this avater for my planet entries, it was refused on planetkde for some reason http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/jriddell.png
[01:01] <jdub> Riddell: because it's not a hackergotchi!
[01:02] <Riddell> :)
[01:02] <robertj> it's obvious that there needs to be an amihackergotchiornot
[01:26] <mdz> elmo: is oo.o2 waiting on you?
[01:26] <mdz> elmo: or me?
[01:26] <elmo> mostly waiting on you to not ignore me
[01:26] <elmo> ;-p
[01:27] <elmo> I was trying to ask you about the policy for NEW packages and UVF in general on universe?
[01:28] <mdz> elmo: when did you ask that?
[01:28] <elmo> I pinged you on jabber a while ago
[01:28] <mdz> fucking hell
[01:28] <mdz> my jabber window keeps opening minimized
[01:28] <mdz> elmo: new versions in universe are fine by me until at least feature freeze
[01:29] <elmo> and new-altogether packages?
[01:30] <mdz> likewise
[01:30] <elmo> ok
[01:32] <elmo> do you want me to do anything different WRT seed syncage?  or can I assume anything committed to the seeds is approved for actioning?
[01:32] <mdz> elmo: within reason, yes
[01:33] <mdz> if you find that something stupid is getting pulled into main, of course scream
[01:33] <elmo> ok
[01:35] <mdz> Kamion: here?
[01:36] <elmo> he said he was going to bed an hour or so again
[01:36] <elmo> s/again/ago/
[01:39] <mdz> ah
[01:42] <mdz> elmo: for the stuff you imported from !debian, did you automatically sync new versions prior to UVF?
[01:42] <elmo> err, no
[01:42] <elmo> should I have?
[01:43] <elmo> I was never automatically syncing !main - I thought that was known
[01:43] <mdz> !
[01:43] <mdz> no, it wasn't known
[01:44] <mdz> you weren't synching universe?
[01:44] <elmo> sorry
[01:44] <elmo> I was never automatically syncing !Debian-main
[01:44] <mdz> ah
[01:44] <mdz> in that case, we should probably have done it at least once prior to UVF
[01:44] <elmo> do you want me to do it now?  it's all universe or lower
[01:44] <mdz> yeah
[01:44] <mdz> just freshen it up
[01:45] <elmo> ok
[01:45] <mdz> thanks
[01:45] <tseng> holy crap mono built
[01:45] <jdub> freshen up multiverse? through the nose!
[01:46] <jdub> mdz: so we roughly agreed on xen being maintained in our standard kernel packages, right?
[01:47] <mdz> jdub: from the sound of it (their incremental diffs and such), I think that's workable, yeah, but I haven't actually looked
[01:47] <daniels> elmo: please install l-h-2.6.10-2-* on concordia and davis
[01:47] <mdz> if it's crack and falls behind upstream, we shouldn't do it that way
[01:48] <jdub> might be able to get buy-in from the xen folks
[01:51] <jdub> so, this might be an off-colour suggestion
[01:52] <jdub> how about importing NEW packages from experimental into universe automagically?
[01:52] <jdub> ie. not new versions of existing packages
[01:52] <daniels> we don't have access to packages in the NEW queue
[01:52] <jdub> NEW for us
[01:52] <daniels> oh, I see
[01:53] <jdub> it has a whiff of insanity
[01:53] <jdub> but might be kinda cool
[01:54] <ajmitch> why only the first version?
[01:54] <jdub> ah, not just the first version
[01:54] <jdub> but anything that isn't a new version of something that already exists in universe
[01:55] <robertj> just err, new, packages ;)
[01:55] <elmo> jdub: one possible (if unlikely problem is), foo_2.0 introduced to experimental -> universe, foo_1.0 uploaded to unstable.. we're stuck with 2.0
[01:55] <robertj> evolution has a really irritating bug in it right now where it doubles the host name portion in webcal uris
[01:56] <jdub> elmo: aha. subtle.
[01:56] <jdub> dear elmo, please sync pure bullets of planet ubuntu love. love, jdub.
[01:57] <elmo> daniels: chroots freshened
[01:58] <daniels> elmo: cheers
[01:58] <daniels> elmo: i'm sitting here wearing my represent t-shirt just for you
[01:59] <arc_> hi all
[02:00] <arc_> iBooks are unable to suspend, and I found the problem, hald and pmud can't be up at the same time
[02:00] <daniels> elmo: er, davis too?
[02:00] <arc_> just stopped down all the service and noticed that my ibook now can suspend
[02:00] <daniels> arc_: yah, this was reported in the bug somewhere
[02:00] <jdub> mdz: would be good to have python-gnome2-extras python2.4-gnome2-extras in the desktop seed
[02:00] <arc_> and then, starting up all the services, suspend crashed when I finally start up dbus/hald
[02:00] <daniels> iirc it's holding the cd device open
[02:01] <elmo> daniels: did that too?
[02:01] <elmo> damn I need to order from all those cafepress shops
[02:01] <daniels> elmo: afaict none of l-h-2.6.10-2-* is installed in the hoary chroot in davis
[02:01] <elmo> meh
[02:02] <azeem> "I carry the weight of Debian"
[02:02] <daniels> azeem: oddly appropriate
[02:03] <daniels> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/17/2341219&tid=163&tid=90
[02:03] <jdub> what on earth is going on here?
[02:03] <jdub> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mono-assemblies-base_1.0.4-1_all.deb (--unpack):
[02:03] <jdub>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/mono', which is also in package libdbus-cil
[02:03] <jdub> 
[02:03] <jdub> daniels: aha, lugradio got slashdotted :)
[02:03] <jdub> excellent
[02:04] <daniels> jdub: looks like it turned from a symlink into a directory, or vice-versa
[02:04] <daniels> so dbus needs to be updated, and bleh
[02:05] <elmo> daniels: done now
[02:05] <jdub> daniels: ok, can fix here
[02:05] <daniels> elmo: cheers
[02:05] <daniels> jdub: libdbus-cil is the flaming bag of shit on my doorstep, so i'll deal with it later
[02:06] <jdub> ok
[02:08] <mjg59> daniels: BTW, there are various hacks to make the nvidia drivers more suspend-friendly
[02:08] <mjg59> What license are the bits with source under?
[02:08] <robertj> it's exciting to hear that dbus is on it's way to windows
[02:08] <daniels> mjg59: errrr
[02:09] <daniels> mjg59: nv is under a shit licence, nvidia is under a worse licence
[02:09] <daniels> hm
[02:09] <mjg59> daniels: This is the kernel-level stuff
[02:09] <daniels> 'Users and possessors of this source code are hereby granted a nonexclusive, royalty-free copyright and design patent license to use this code in individual and commercial software.'
[02:10] <daniels> there's nothing in the nvidia licence that allows us to modify the nv driver afaics
[02:10] <daniels> mjg59: that's under GPL, I believe
[02:10] <daniels> i'll let you know fo'sho after lunch
[02:10] <daniels> since I'm starving
[02:10] <mjg59> Yeah, I /think/ it's the kernel code
[02:10] <mjg59> No problem
[02:11] <mjg59> http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4746.html
[02:11] <mjg59> Haha
[02:11] <mjg59> How shit
[02:13] <daniels> yeah, woo woo ati
[02:13] <daniels> oh well, l-r-m 2.6.10.2-1 uploaded
[02:13] <daniels> the ravenous hordes can dissect it and kill it in every imaginable way
[02:14] <jdub> daniels: oh, it has ati love?
[02:14] <daniels> jdub: xorg + amd64
[02:15] <jdub> cool
[02:15] <jdub> no ppc?
[02:15] <jdub> does nvidia do ppc?
[02:15] <mjg59> No
[02:16] <daniels> nope
[02:16] <daniels> no-one does ppc
[02:16] <mjg59> int agp_generic_suspend(void)
[02:16] <mjg59> {
[02:16] <mjg59>     return 0;
[02:16] <mjg59> }
[02:16] <mjg59> WAY TO GO ATI
[02:16] <daniels> (probably because of the spectre of apple)
[02:16] <daniels> mjg59: you're shitting me
[02:16] <daniels> but yeah, if apple said 'you do linux/ppc and we go to $othervendor for our next systems', you wouldn't
[02:16] <daniels> not that there's the userbase anyway
[02:17] <mjg59> There's actually hardware specific code for some bridges
[02:17] <mjg59> But it looks like ATI's AGP code is heavily ripped off from other places
[02:17] <daniels> having drivers for peons is a pleasant side effect of having it for dreamworks
[02:17] <daniels> mjg59: christing fuck
[02:17] <mjg59> They don't seem to have any suspend/resume for the card itself
[02:17] <daniels> mjg59: so I'm tipping UseInternalAGPGART no -> S3 death
[02:17] <mjg59> Why do all these people want their own AGP code?
[02:18] <mjg59> Did the kernel's AGP code molest them as children, or something?
[02:18] <arc_> daniels: I don't think that apple is happy with people using linux on their boxes
[02:18] <daniels> i really don't know; nvidia do the same thing, though
[02:18] <daniels> arc_: as I said
[02:19] <daniels> maybe agpgart worked too well
[02:19] <mjg59> There's no symbols in the fglrx code itself that look like they're related to suspend/resume
[02:19] <mjg59> Utter cocks
[02:21] <robertj> arc: why not?
[02:21] <robertj> arc; their hardware margins are huge
[02:21] <robertj> pushing 30%
[02:22] <arc_> anyway, I don't think that they're being worried about linux/ppc users
[02:22] <robertj> oh, certainly not, but still ;)
[02:28] <daniels> s3 probably works by accident
[02:28] <ogra> jdub: finally i need a hackergotchi :)
[02:29] <jdub> ogra: yep :)
[02:30] <ogra> jdub: btw, since im upload capable now....how about uploading packages to universe that are not in debian do they need approval or is this fully in MOTUs hands
[02:31] <jdub> ogra: that's a slightly controversial issue
[02:31] <jdub> ogra: probably best to discuss with mdz, elmo, person who is roughly resposible for the concept area the package fits into, etc.
[02:31] <ogra> so we should add it to the agenda tmorrow ?
[02:32] <jdub> that's a good start
[02:32] <ogra> fine :)
[02:32] <jdub> but we probably don't have to deal with those super-officially in general
[02:32] <jdub> but perhaps a policy will come up as part of that discussion
[02:32] <jdub> you might want to suggest general policy discussion as well as the specifics :)
[02:32] <elmo> oh, crap t-b meeting of doom tomorrow
[02:33] <ogra> that would be enough....there should be limitations though
[02:33] <jdub> haggai: GO GO GO!
[02:33] <jdub> elmo: what's doomy?
[02:33] <lamont> jdub: same meta rules as mao?
[02:33] <jdub> lamont: ;)
[02:34] <elmo> jdub: they just always seem to go on for hours
[02:34] <jdub> oh
[02:34] <mjg59> daniels: Ok, the file that needs modifying to alter PM behaviour is under a You're not even allowed to look at this license
[02:34] <daniels> mjg59: fglrx?
[02:34] <mjg59> Nvidia
[02:35] <mjg59> fglrx seems to have no hope
[02:35] <mjg59> ARGH MY EYES
[02:35] <mjg59> They have separate APM and ACPI suspend routines
[02:35] <daniels> nvidia?
[02:36] <mjg59> Yes
[02:36] <mjg59> Oh. ungh.
[02:36] <mjg59> They register the APM one with the legacy PM support, and the ACPI one with the device model PM support.
[02:37] <daniels> WHOOHOO
[02:37] <daniels> give it up for nvidiaaaaaa
[02:37] <mjg59> And this is all based on compile time configuration
[02:37] <mjg59> Jesus
[02:37] <mjg59> That's about the worst thing I've seen all day
[02:38] <daniels> what the fuck?
[02:38] <daniels> sonicblue stole agpgart from the kernel and made their own hacks afaict
[02:38] <daniels> synced with code in 2.4.16 and 2.4.8-ac7, that's great
[02:38] <mjg59> Hahaha
[02:38] <ogra> jdub: i would also like to see a policy for package removal for obsolete things like nautilus-media (which will never build with the new libs)....
[02:39] <mjg59> WE ARE BIG CORPORATIONS. WE DON'T NEED TO FOLLOW YOUR CODING GUIDELINES OR COPYRIGHT.
[02:39] <mjg59> Dave Jones got fairly pissed off with ATI at one point
[02:39] <daniels> to be fair, sonicblue didn't assert copyright
[02:39] <mjg59> Is the file GPLed?
[02:39] <jdub> ogra: note that n-m has always been in universe
[02:39] <daniels> (sonicblue being the dudes who wrote most of fglrx originally)
[02:39] <daniels> mjg59: yah
[02:39] <mjg59> Does it credit the original authors?
[02:39] <daniels> there's jeff hartmann/precision/xig copyrights with gpl, plus davej ... no, not gpl
[02:40] <daniels> the entire file is ... i think that's mit/x11
[02:40] <daniels> yeah, full credit
[02:40] <mjg59> Hahaha
[02:40] <ogra> jdub: its unusable and uninstallable...i looked at it this afternoon....its unlikely to build with libnautilus-extension-dev (the whole bonobo stuff is gone)
[02:40] <daniels> hm, and further below, they assert copyright, but fail to licence it
[02:40] <daniels> *slaps forehead*
[02:40] <daniels> dear arseclowns
[02:40] <jdub> ogra: yeah, i know (from upstream)
[02:40] <daniels> you are a bunch of arseclowns
[02:40] <daniels> please desist
[02:40] <daniels> cheers,
[02:40] <jdub> ogra: i am glad :)
[02:40] <daniels> daniel
[02:41] <ogra> jdub: so lets just drop it to not confuse the users ;)
[02:44] <lamont> somone who loves universe should help out 3518 (scim)
[02:44] <lamont> it has stuff dep-waiting on it
[02:51] <daniels> haggai: nice work :)
[02:54] <elmo> uh
[02:56] <jdub> okay dudes
[02:56] <jdub> with thanks to our overworked and underincentivised sysadmin team
[02:56] <jdub> we have a new planet.ubuntu.com
[02:56] <jdub> which is sexier and more useful than every
[02:56] <jdub> ever
[02:57] <jdub> the news feed aggregates a bunch of different news things into one place
[02:57] <lamont> jdub: does this mean that sometime soon someone will hold my hand through setting up a blog somewhere?
[02:57] <jdub> so it's more useful than the one on the website ;)
[02:57] <jdub> lamont: advogato.org :)
[02:57] <jdub> also, it's now for members and developers
[02:57] <jdub> lamont: advo is very basic, but it's good
[02:58] <jdub> lamont: depends on whether you want to run your own or not, whether you want to upload pictures, etc., etc.
[02:59] <lamont> pics would be nice, don't mind running my own (providing it's not much load, etc)
[03:01] <bob2> jdub: those bullets are kinda arse
[03:01] <jdub> we should order dial-a-call-girl for the sysadmin team every now and then
[03:01] <jdub> bob2: in the subs list?
[03:01] <bob2> yeah
[03:01] <jdub> oh, everywhere
[03:01] <bob2> or is that plonedamage?
[03:01] <jdub> yeah
[03:01] <jdub> plonedamage
[03:02] <jdub> i fixed some plonedamage
[03:02] <jdub> but only absolute brokenness
[03:02] <bob2> nice work covering up most of the salmonness
[03:08] <jdub> makes blogs easier to read
[03:08] <jdub> the worst plone damage is the fonts
[03:08] <bob2> yeah
[03:11] <jdub> really have to get opml support in :|
[03:20] <jdub> mdz: hmm, is grub purposefully not in ubuntu-base?
[03:31] <mdz> jdub: sort of
[03:31] <mdz> jdub: ubuntu-base is (base seed & debootstrap)
[03:31] <mdz> and grub is purposefully not in debootstrap
[03:33] <jdub> aha
[03:33] <jdub> handy if you need to switch to lilo
[03:35] <mdz> jdub: so where's my planet?
[03:35] <jdub> you have a blog?
[03:35] <mdz> no, exactly the point
[03:35] <jdub> oh right
[03:35] <mdz> jdub: holy shit re: xen, just saw http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/01/17/1212241.shtml?tid=136&tid=156&tid=172&tid=106
[03:36] <jdub> sign up with blogger or advogato or something if you don't want to run your own
[03:36] <jdub> mdz: whooooa
[03:37] <jdub> mdz: and linus has mentioned adding it to 2.6
[03:37] <mdz> jdub: maybe we should push that along
[03:37] <jdub> hmm
[03:37] <jdub> for hoary?
[03:37] <mdz> know anyone who could do xen for us between now and feature freeze?
[03:37] <jdub> hmm
[03:38] <mdz> dilinger was at least knowledgeable about it
[03:44] <chrisa> I remember there being some guy in #alioth that never stopped talking about xen
[03:46] <mdz> chrisa: probably doogie, but he's easily distracted
[03:48] <chrisa> I know it wasn't doogie, it was some guy knew to packaging
[03:48] <chrisa> .... s/knew/new/
[03:48] <mdz> ah
[03:54] <mdz> aww, oo.o2 ftbfs
[03:54] <mdz> haggai: :'-(
[04:00] <Riddell> why would my package (unsermake) have a build log for i386 but not for other platforms?  maybe I'm just being impatient
[04:01] <Riddell> "/bin/sh: ../ooo-build/configure: Permission denied" glad to see it's not just me who fell for that :)
[04:12] <lamont> Riddell: because it's arch: all
[04:12] <lamont> that gets built on i386, but not the others
[04:13] <lamont> although the log file should have showed up, ithink
[04:14] <lamont> Riddell: logs that say ': (amd64|hppa|ia64|powerpc|sparc) not in arch list: all -- skipping' are filed in /dev/null
[04:15] <Riddell> lamont: great news, thanks
[04:15] <lamont> mdz: what's the plan on the 17 outstanding universe merges?  MOTU?
[04:15] <mdz> lamont: MOTU
[04:20] <eruin> don't be lazy now!
[04:21] <jdub> more that i can measure that fix in legal tender :)
[04:21] <eruin> :o
[04:22] <daniels> Riddell: (you want arch: any, not arch: all)
[04:25] <Riddell> daniels: oh fooey, what is arch any for then?
[04:27] <lamont> mdz: so when I fix postfix bugs (found in 2.1.5-4ubuntuN) in postfix-2.1.5-5 in debian, and that's all I've done, am I free to upload that as 2.1.5-5ubuntu1?  or do I need to call it 2.1.5-4ubuntuN+1?  (otherwise identical code...)
[04:27] <mdz> jdub: ETA 12m
[04:27] <jdub> mdz: OOo2?
[04:27] <mdz> Riddell: think of arch: any as "each", and arch: all as "every"
[04:27] <mdz> Riddell: arch any means build once per architecture, arch all means build once for all architectures
[04:28] <mdz> jdub: yes
[04:28] <mdz> lamont: call it whatever you like, as long as you're careful
[04:29] <lamont> right
[04:29] <mdz> lamont: 2.1.5-5ubuntu1 should really be based on -5, rather than -5
[04:29] <mdz> rather than -4
[04:29] <mdz> (should have the changelog entries, etc.)
[04:29] <daniels> Riddell: arch any is 'this can build on any architecture'
[04:29] <mdz> lamont: Keybuk should have it set up so that you can use MoM to do this
[04:29] <daniels> Riddell: arch all is 'this can build on any architecture, but is machine-independent, so only needs to be built once'
[04:29] <daniels> Riddell: come to think of it, unsermake is python, so can be arch all
[04:29] <daniels> nevermind
[04:29] <jdub> mdz: sweet :)
[04:45] <lamont> mdz: truth is that it's checked into a cvs branch
[04:48] <lamont> mdz: right 5ubuntu1 would be a 'resync with -5' entry, while -4ubuntuN+1 would be 'backport fixes from -5' kind of entries.
[04:53] <jdub> elmo: ping
[04:54] <jdub> mdz: thanks, subbing to the wiki works *much* better
[05:07] <daniels> elmo: is mail for d.s@u.c getting lost somewhere?
[05:25] <lamont> mdz: postfix is a package that I really want to get into hct, but it's also one that I want to be familiar with a happy hct before I use it there...
[05:26] <jdub> oh man
[05:27] <jdub> you can't put html in the news leadin bit
[05:27] <jdub> that is so bong
[05:34] <Safari_Al> How are things, jdub?  Did you get the email that I sent to you last week?
[05:35] <fabbione> morning
[05:37] <fabbione> lamont: are you still around?
[05:38] <mdz> good morning, fabbione
[05:39] <fabbione> hey mdz
[05:39] <fabbione> lamont: can you please give back ooo on i386?
[05:39] <fabbione> ppc builded fine
[05:42] <lamont> fabbione: ISTR mdz was gonna upload a 1-line fix, or are you talking about ooo1?
[05:42] <fabbione> ooo1
[05:42] <mdz> lamont: he's talking about v1, I assume
[05:42] <mdz> and the 1-line fix has turned into 3 missing build-deps so far
[05:42] <fabbione> yes the one i uploaded yesterday
[05:44] <fabbione> mdz: btw we got sparc in the archive :-)
[05:44] <fabbione> i own elmo a few beers
[05:44] <fabbione> yesterday he really managed to get my dick VERY hard
[05:50] <mdz> fabbione: shouldn't the beers come first, before the erection?
[05:51] <fabbione> when you are drunk it's difficult to get a hard dick :P
[05:51] <daniels> ...
[05:56] <zenrox> lol
[05:59] <mdz> fabbione: I wasn't CCed on #1293, so I didn't see your comment until now
[05:59] <mdz> fabbione: you did the right thing anyway
[06:00] <fabbione> mdz: thanks. i decide to uplaod after he confirmed that there is no need to serialize the uploads...
[06:00] <fabbione> i need to wake up my gf
[06:41] <fabbione> mdz: can you show me the dmesg output for 5234?
[06:42] <fabbione> mdz: i think i have some kind of an idea on how to fix it easily
[06:43] <mdz> fabbione: with or without the option enabled?
[06:43] <fabbione> without
[06:43] <fabbione> just plain boot
[06:43] <fabbione> at the beginning of the boot there is some ACPI stuff
[06:43] <fabbione> and there is also a neat line that i want to see if it is there for your machine
[06:50] <fabbione> night lamont
[06:51] <lamont> fabbione: and (doh) given-back.
[06:51] <fabbione> thanks :-)
[06:54] <mdz> fabbione: emailed
[06:55] <fabbione> mdz: thanks
[06:56] <fabbione> mz: you booted with irqpoll
[06:56] <fabbione> Misrouted IRQ fixup and polling support enabled.
[06:56] <fabbione> i need without it :-)
[06:56] <mdz> I can't reboot right now
[06:56] <fabbione> ok
[06:56] <fabbione> than when you can do this:
[06:56] <mdz> let me see if I can get one from kern.log
[06:56] <fabbione> boot without irqpool
[06:56] <fabbione> nah don't worry
[06:57] <fabbione> and check if the ACPI stuff says something like:
[06:57] <fabbione> ** NOTE IRQ will not be routed automatically **
[06:57] <fabbione> if it does it should also tell you which option to use to revert to 2.6.9 behaviour
[06:57] <fabbione> and if you can test that one
[06:58] <fabbione> i don't mind to revert the default to 2.6.9 for hoary
[06:58] <fabbione> and see how it works for hoary+1
[06:58] <mdz> sent
[06:58] <mdz> I don't se a message like that
[06:58] <mdz> I do see this: /var/log/kern.log.0:Jan 15 16:02:17 localhost kernel: Misrouted IRQ fixup and polling support enabled.
[07:00] <fabbione> Jan  7 16:57:49 localhost kernel: ** PCI interrupts are no longer routed automatically.  If this
[07:00] <fabbione> there it is
[07:01] <fabbione> Jan  7 16:57:49 localhost kernel: ** workaround, the "pci=routeirq" argument restores the old
[07:01] <fabbione> next time.. can you boot only with that option?
[07:01] <mdz> pci=routeirq ?
[07:01] <fabbione> instead of irqpoll?
[07:01] <fabbione> yup
[07:01] <mdz> grub updated
[07:01] <mdz> what does it mean?
[07:02] <fabbione> it's all explained in the dmesg
[07:02] <mdz> ah, I see
[07:02] <fabbione> basically they are moving the irq routing from a central thingy to the driver
[07:02] <mdz> should I send my lspci output to bugzilla, then?
[07:02] <fabbione> there is an email address where to send these info
[07:02] <fabbione> perhaps just update our bugzilla and send him the link to it :-)
[07:06] <bob2> mjg59: why does any acpi code run when the lid is closed at all?
[07:07] <mdz> fabbione: can you find out if it's updated in bk already, before I mail him?
[07:07] <mdz> 0000:00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[07:07] <mdz> (snd_via82xx)
[07:08] <fabbione> mdz: yes. there was a huge alsa update from 1.0.7 to 1.0.8rcX
[07:08] <fabbione> but no idea what has been fixed there
[07:19] <davyd> anyone know how I would get a hold of bdale?
[07:19] <davyd> does he answer his email?
[07:20] <fabbione> did you try to contact him either on irc or via email?
[07:20] <davyd> not yet
[07:20] <davyd> I considered IRC, where does he hang out?
[07:20] <fabbione> well try first then ask :-)
[07:20] <davyd> fabbione: I figured I would ask so that I could use his preferred medium
[07:20] <fabbione> #debian-devel #debian-kernel probably more
[07:20] <davyd> on this server?
[07:20] <fabbione> yes
[07:21] <davyd> cool, thanks
[07:21] <fabbione>  /whois bdale is your friend before flooding chans with pings
[07:21] <fabbione> he is idling since a few hours
[07:21] <fabbione> possibly asleep...
[07:21] <davyd> yeah, I noticed that
[07:22] <davyd> however lots of Americans seem awake
[07:22] <davyd> so I don't know
[07:22] <davyd> I'm not even sure which coast he's on
[07:22] <mdz> night
[07:23] <fabbione> night mdz
[07:23] <fabbione> cya later for the meeting
[07:24] <fabbione> btw.. at what time is that?
[07:24] <fabbione> usual 16:00 UTC?
[07:42] <daniels> which meeting, TB?
[07:43] <crimsun> yes.
[07:43] <crimsun> (there's no time in the topic of #ubuntu-meeting for it)
[08:01] <daniels> Suggested packages:
[08:01] <daniels>   bazaar-doc
[08:01] <daniels> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[08:01] <daniels>   bazaar
[08:01] <daniels> that's a joke, right?  documentation?
[08:03] <jdub> haha
[08:44] <daniels> haggai: you are not kind
[08:44] <daniels> pool/universe/o/openoffice.org2/openoffice.org2_1.9.66.orig.tar.gz
[08:44] <daniels>       967566   0%   58.92kB/s    0:45:33
[08:45] <bob2> hah
[08:45] <Keybuk> you're just jealous that haggai's got a bigger package than you
[08:45] <daniels> not really -- he can have the bloody thing
[08:46] <daniels> but my DSL wants to beat him
[08:46] <daniels> savagely
[08:46] <toresbe> What state is ooo2 in now?
[09:11] <sivang> morning all
[09:12] <Treenaks> hi sivang
[09:13] <jdub> anyone got mail in their ubuntu-announce box?
[09:15] <sivang> morning Treenaks 
[09:15] <fabbione> jdub: yup
[09:16] <Treenaks> apparently, I'm only subscribed to -security-announce... let's fix that
[09:16] <jdub> aha! finally got it
[09:16] <jdub> thanks fabbione too :)
[09:17] <fabbione> jdub: i just added universe to the sparc buildd :-)
[09:17] <sivang> jdub: what was the announcment about?
[09:17] <jdub> sivang: website look'n'feel context
[09:18] <jdub> contest
[09:18] <jdub> fabbione: whoa! sweet :)
[09:18] <jdub> fabbione: what is your buildd?
[09:18] <fabbione> jdub: netra t1 466Mhz + 512Mb
[09:18] <jdub> heh :)
[09:18] <fabbione> jdub: main hitted the archive yesterday
[09:18] <jdub> i-think-i-can-i-think-i-can ;)
[09:18] <jdub> oh, seriously? that's rad!
[09:18] <fabbione> or better.. jackass
[09:19] <jdub> when will there be netboot images? :)
[09:19] <fabbione> jdub: yes. we only need elmo to finish to setup sparc.u.c
[09:19] <fabbione> jdub: there are already
[09:19] <fabbione> we need to get everything in the proper position in the pool and so on
[09:19] <fabbione> and i need to build/upload a few packages still before you will be able to install
[09:19] <fabbione> unfortunatly katie rejected the kernel because sparc did build -8
[09:19] <jdub> cool
[09:20] <fabbione> but i uploaded -9 in the morning
[09:20] <fabbione> so basically she refused (correctly) to get an older binary than the source
[09:20] <fabbione> but it's building now
[09:20] <fabbione> Treenaks: don't tempt me
[09:20] <fabbione> i have 2 m68k idling at a colo :-)
[09:20] <fabbione> Total 4935 package(s)
[09:21] <fabbione> to build from universe :(
[09:21] <Treenaks> fabbione: *shudder*
[09:23] <fabbione> ah damn
[09:23] <fabbione> OOo still fails on i386!
[09:23] <fabbione> haggai: where are you?
[09:36] <sivang> morning seb128 
[09:41] <seb128> hi
[09:47] <pitti> Morning everybody
[09:47] <seb128> hey pitti 
[09:49] <daniels> sup pitti
[09:50] <pitti> seb128: already tried language-support-fr? :-)
[09:52] <seb128> not yet :)
[09:53] <pitti> D'oh, so many new vulnerabilities today...
[09:55] <daniels> pitti: at least libXpm managed to survive so far
[09:59] <pitti> brb
[09:59] <sivang> morning pitti
[10:01] <Keybuk> pitti: why do you keep killing your box? :)
[10:05] <pitti> Keybuk: my ISP blocked the IRC ports yesterday , grrr
[10:05] <pitti> Keybuk: so I installed a proxy, but I had to restart it :-)
[10:05] <Keybuk> yeah, you might want to audit the dircproxy code a little
[10:06] <Keybuk> from what I recall, there's some very silly bugs in it
[10:06] <pitti> Keybuk: no, my neighbor needed a proxy, too, so I thought he could reuse mine
[10:07] <pitti> Keybuk: but it doesn't work, so I just give him his own proxy, I think
[10:09] <sivang> can anybody share his oppinion wheather simple-cdd is the right way to go customize an installer cd ? or does ubuntu has something better that's being worked on?
[10:10] <sivang> pitti: could you reopen the bug I CC'd you with g-s-t? so I would be able to close when I have the 2 ubuntu stock profile templates done? :)
[10:11] <pitti> sivang: you can't reopen it yourself?
[10:13] <sivang> pitti: I tried to find it, but no matter how hard I tried couldn't. It's like gone to the null bit bucket.
[10:14] <sivang> pitti: researching now.
[10:14] <pitti> sivang: bug #?
[10:14] <sivang> pitti: I wish I recalled, this is what I get when I search for users-admin ==> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=UPSTREAM&bug_status=PENDINGUPLOAD&field0-0-0=product&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=users-admin&field0-0-1=component&type0-0-1=substring&value0-0-1=users-admin&field0-0-2=short_desc&type0-0-2=substring&value0-0-2=users-adm
[10:14] <sivang> erggh
[10:16] <sivang> pitti: I seem to fail find it also when attempting a g-s-t wide search.
[10:16] <fabbione> hey pitti
[10:17] <pitti> Hi my dear fabbione 
[10:17] <fabbione> pitti: the use of work "dear" gives the idea that you are going to tell me that something is badly wrong
[10:17] <fabbione> s/work/word
[10:18] <pitti> fabbione: no, this time it really was meant like that :.-)
[10:18] <fabbione> eehhe
[10:18] <pitti> argh, my poor smiley...
[10:18] <sivang> fabbione: you made him cry! :)
[10:20] <Keybuk> oh fabbione, dear fabbione
[10:20] <fabbione> hey Keybuk 
[10:40] <seb128> jdub: here ?
[10:41] <jdub> yo seb128 
[10:41] <seb128> do you have some time to comment on #163501 (GNOME) ? UI freeze is monday and Vincent would like to get some advice on this before doing something ...
[10:41] <seb128> BTW hey :)
[10:41] <jdub> main menu?
[10:42] <seb128> yep
[10:42] <jdub> got a tab open for it ;)
[10:42] <seb128> if you have any idea on what to do with it ...
[10:42] <seb128> cool
[10:45] <jdub> python2.4-samba is 4MB
[10:48] <jdub> seb128: do you mind if i mention you in an open email, in relation to your ubuntu packaging?
[10:48] <seb128> no
[10:57] <jdub> thom: ping
[10:57] <jdub> seb128: thanks :)
[10:58] <jdub> seb128: um, it's positive, btw ;)
[10:58] <ogra> morning...
[10:59] <jdub> morning ogra
[11:00] <jdub> ogra: how's that xscreensaver patch?
[11:00] <seb128> jdub: I hope so, or I'll track you down :p
[11:00] <ogra> pitti....dont you use a wlan usb stick for your ibook ?
[11:00] <pitti> ogra: no
[11:00] <pitti> ogra: i. e., I use one :-)
[11:01] <ogra> jdub: i think i'll drop the aim for utf 8, else i only need to rewrite all the destroy functions....you'll have it at the weekend if thats enough
[11:02] <ogra> pitti: what model/brand, we have a guy in ubuntu-users that needs a quick advice for one before a surgery...
[11:03] <pitti> ogra: Netgear MA111
[11:03] <jdub> ogra: i'd be totally happy for just chrome improvements.
[11:03] <ogra> pitti: great....you've done our volvoguy a big favor i think
[11:06] <jdub> seb128: "Debian or Ubuntu package maintenance is significantly more involved than GARNOME or jhbuild module definitions, but Seb drives through it like a chainsaw through creme brule."
[11:06] <jdub> seb128: should that be 'crme'?
[11:07] <seb128> crme
[11:08] <jdub> aha
[11:08] <jdub> thanks
[11:08] <seb128> :)
[11:08] <seb128> np
[11:08] <Treenaks> jdub: writing the hoary release announcement already?
[11:08] <jdub> Treenaks: haha, no
[11:08] <jdub> Treenaks: i'll post a link when i've finished
[11:08] <jdub> this is a bit different ;)
[11:09] <jdub> seb128: how does an e with a grave sound?
[11:09] <jdub> same as the e in seb?
[11:10] <seb128> no
[11:10] <seb128> grave = 
[11:10] <Keybuk> isn't it that  goes down and  goes up ?
[11:10] <seb128> aigu =  like in Sb
[11:10] <seb128> circonflexe = 
[11:11] <jdub> seb128: yeah, but what does it sound like? :)
[11:11] <d3vic3> 0.o
[11:12] <Kamion> jdub: circumflex over the u in brulee IIRC
[11:13] <Kamion> crme brle
[11:13] <seb128> correct
[11:13] <jdub> aha, thanks
[11:13] <jdub> oh, and first e?
[11:13] <seb128> jdub: not really easy to explain how it sounds :p
[11:13] <seb128> yeah
[11:13] <Treenaks> seb128: so, the "" in crme brle is pronounced as the "e" in "seb" or "bed"
[11:13] <Treenaks> seb128: sight?
[11:14] <Treenaks> right?
[11:14] <seb128> correct
[11:14] <Treenaks> uh the 
[11:14] <Treenaks> 
[11:14] <Keybuk> seb128: simple, .mp3
[11:15] <jdub> Keybuk: DOLPHIN KILLER
[11:15] <Keybuk> do one with saying crme, one saying crme and one saying creme -- so we can tell the difference
[11:15] <Keybuk> jdub: BABY iWHALE KILLER
[11:16] <Treenaks> iWHALE? the new Apple product?
[11:17] <seb128> elmo: gnome-pilot and gnome-pilot-conduits syncs please
[11:17] <Keybuk> Treenaks: baby whales = pod, iWHALE, BABY iWHALE, iPod ... it made sense to me
[11:17] <Treenaks> Keybuk: ah!
[11:18] <Keybuk> not that I *own* an iPod, too much of my music is in .ogg for that, but still
[11:18] <Treenaks> Keybuk: I missed the "pod" definition :)
[11:18] <ogra> seb128: pronounce lix *g*
[11:19] <Kamion> that well-known French character, 
[11:19] <ogra> heh
[11:20] <Treenaks> ogra: f?
[11:20] <ogra> lol
[11:21] <Keybuk> Llinwcs!
[11:21] <Treenaks> fun with compose maps... sigh
[11:26] <haggai> fabbione: should I fix OOo?
[11:28] <ogra> they even
[11:30] <thom> jdub: ack
[11:32] <thom> morning folks
[11:32] <sivang> morning thom
[11:32] <ogra> hi thom
[11:33] <pitti> Hey thom
[11:33] <seb128> hey thom 
[11:34] <Treenaks> hey thom
[11:35] <haggai> ogra: they won't need a backport
[11:35] <ogra> i know, they are crazy.....
[11:35] <Treenaks> ogra: ex-gentoo?
[11:35] <ogra> heh
[11:35] <ogra> maybe....
[11:38] <trukulo> ogra: i know about netgear usb wlan
[11:38] <trukulo> i own one
[11:38] <ogra> great, do you read ubuntu-users ?
[11:38] <trukulo> uses atmel driver, http://at76c503a.berlios.de/
[11:38] <trukulo> no, i only read ubuntu-devel
[11:38] <trukulo> but as i know, doesn't work on ibook
[11:39] <trukulo> only i386
[11:39] <ogra> there is a guy that has a spinal surgery this week and wants a quick advice how to use his ibook wireless
[11:39] <trukulo> as i know, netgear usb doesn't work on ppc
[11:39] <Treenaks> ogra: you already helped him, right?
[11:39] <trukulo> friends of mine bought one, and they have to return
[11:39] <ogra> trukulo: pitti said he uses one
[11:39] <jdub> thom: so man
[11:39] <jdub> thom: netapplet sucks so bad
[11:39] <ogra> Treenaks: but details can always help 
[11:39] <trukulo> ogra: on ibook? so my friends are wrong, or very inepts
[11:40] <jdub> thom: what do you think about hacking the netapplet menu and switcher into netstatus?
[11:40] <jdub> thom: it's way nicer
[11:40] <trukulo> i use one on i386
[11:40] <azeem> ls
[11:40] <azeem> eh, sorry
[11:40] <jdub> pr0n.png ben-affleck-nude.kpg
[11:40] <Keybuk> jdub: provided you get rid of the blinkenlights from netstatus
[11:40] <sivang> morning mdz 
[11:40] <azeem> .kpg?
[11:41] <jdub> Keybuk: stfu. (i find them irritating too.)
[11:41] <ogra> trukulo: btw, i have put the inclusion of foreign packages on the TB agenda today....with luck i'll get your graveman pkgs in universe this week
[11:41] <jdub> azeem: you name your files stupidly
[11:41] <Keybuk> jdub: so do something about it then! :p
[11:41] <jdub> mdz: okay with me putting libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap in supported?
[11:41] <trukulo> :) cool
[11:41] <azeem> I can paste the content of ~ to prove you are wrong, if you want :P
[11:42] <azeem> then I get banned for flooding and will die a martyrer death
[11:42] <jdub> clean up your home directory
[11:42] <thom> jdub: we'd still need all the (dubious) netdaemon connection stuff, but it might work out better
[11:42] <jdub> then you won't get banned for flooding
[11:42] <jdub> thom: yeah.
[11:42] <jdub> thom: i figure it's more productive to go that way than to sass up netapplet
[11:42] <jdub> hrm
[11:42] <jdub> maybe not
[11:43] <jdub> saves porting netapplet to being a real applet though ;)
[11:43] <thom> it's a fairly chunky rewrite to "fix" netapplet
[11:43] <thom> yeah
[11:43] <trukulo> ogra: if you want liferea one, tell me
[11:43] <trukulo> i can make a package of liferea this morning
[11:43] <ogra> trukulo: i think thats already in from sid ?
[11:43] <trukulo> sorry, i mean leafpad
[11:43] <ogra> ah, ok
[11:44] <trukulo> do you want me to do it?
[11:44] <ogra> lets see what the meeting turns out in case of ploicy....(there currently is none)
[11:44] <ogra> policy
[11:44] <seb128> jdub: we can upload new packages in hoary at this point, or we are supposed to have freezed that ? /me considers packaging nautilus-sendto 
[11:44] <trukulo> ok
[11:44] <ogra> seb128: yay
[11:45] <ogra> seb128: i've put this topic on tonights agenda (inclusion of new universe pkgs)
[11:46] <seb128> you have some packages to upload ?
[11:46] <ogra> seb128: graveman
[11:46] <ogra> for instance
[11:46] <jdub> seb128: universe is pretty loose - ask mdz and i (i approve)
[11:46] <seb128> why do you need an agenda topic for that ?
[11:46] <trukulo> wait, ogra, there's a debian package already for leafpad
[11:47] <trukulo> it's in allioth
[11:47] <seb128> jdub: ok, sending a mail right now
[11:47] <jdub> seb128: ogra's would be ubuntu-only, which is slightly more controversial :)
[11:47] <trukulo> http://chinese.alioth.debian.org/leafpad/
[11:47] <ogra> seb128: because i'd like to have a written policy that doenst need to involve mdz and jdub
[11:47] <jdub> ogra: it'll probably involve us anywya ;)
[11:47] <ogra> jdub: i think it would only be for the time unzil pkgs go in debian anyway
[11:47] <trukulo> jdub: me wants lion wallpaper in hoary by default :P
[11:47] <seb128> yeah, just hijack jdub :p
[11:48] <sivang> trukulo: me too
[11:48] <sivang> :)
[11:48] <trukulo> :)
[11:48] <trukulo> votes for lion?
[11:48] <trukulo> (leonardo)
[11:48] <ogra> jdub: i.e. graveman will get packaged for debian once...as most of the other things will..
[11:49] <jdub> trukulo: oh, did you do the lion?
[11:49] <trukulo> jdub: no, it's from disney
[11:49] <trukulo> heheheheh
[11:49] <jdub> ogra: it's different for you though, as you can't upload to both
[11:49] <jdub> ogra: that's the controversial bit
[11:49] <ogra> ah, ok
[11:51] <trukulo> jdub: but if you want, i can make one
[11:58] <fabbione> Kamion: are you still in the position to test 5162?
[11:58] <fabbione> Kamion: i think i have a fix :-)
[12:00] <Kamion> fabbione: might take a bit of fiddling, but I think so, yeah
[12:00] <fabbione> ok
[12:01] <fabbione> i will upload the possible fix with the next kernel..
[12:01] <fabbione> it's one line from upstream exactly in the point we need it :-)
[12:01] <fabbione> and it is pretty clear how the code has been changing from 2.6.8/9/10
[12:02] <ogra> fabbione: it would also be nice if my laptop could work with a load below 3.5 with the next upload ;)
[12:03] <fabbione> ogra: it will
[12:03] <fabbione> patch is already applied
[12:03] <ogra> fabbione: great, thanks :)
[12:04] <haggai> fabbione: did you do anything to ooo?
[12:05] <ogra> fabbione: btw, i'm missing pinhead on the new planet 
[12:06] <seb128> somebody able to reproduce the panel/nautilus/vfs lock here ?
[12:06] <Kamion> is anyone working on fixing libxslt1-python2.4?
[12:06] <seb128> I've put patched packages that might fix the issue: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/vfs/ ... any feedback would be welcome
[12:07] <fabbione> Kamion: i confirm that that one IS the fix :-)
[12:07] <Kamion> ok, good, my shadow fix worked
[12:10] <fabbione> there...
[12:10] <jdub> seb128: ah yes, it happens on this machine
[12:10] <seb128> jdub: go go go
[12:11] <ogra> seb128: is there a bug # ? (doesnt happen here it seems (amd64))
[12:13] <seb128> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4794
[12:13] <ogra> thanks :)
[12:14] <seb128> np
[12:14] <elmo> seb128: done
[12:14] <seb128> thanks
[12:15] <jdub> elmo: ping :-)
[12:15] <jdub> elmo: could you update p.u.c?
[12:16] <elmo> k
[12:18] <Mithrandir> ogra: you're on an amd64 now?  would you care to install openoffice.org-gtk-gnome and see if it works correctly for you?
[12:18] <ogra> Mithrandir: already did it tonight :)
[12:18] <fabbione> elmo: can you remove gtk2-engines_2.2.0-3_sparc from the incoming queue?
[12:18] <fabbione> elmo: for some reason it was in hoary and then downgraded?
[12:19] <elmo> fabbione: yeah, I just did, sorry about that
[12:19] <fabbione> because that would be the only thing that could explain the message i get
[12:19] <ogra> Mithrandir: seems to work great as far as i can tell (i didnt write exhauting texts or such though)
[12:19] <elmo> I'll figure out why when I'm a little more awake
[12:19] <fabbione> no problem dude..
[12:19] <fabbione> i was just worried that i did something wrong, but i am 100% sure i didn't build anything outside hoary
[12:19] <Mithrandir> ogra: rock, I'll close the bug, then.  Thanks
[12:19] <elmo> jdub: done
[12:20] <jdub> elmo: thanks :)
[12:20] <jdub> elmo: did you run it too? ;)
[12:20] <elmo> fabbione: an UNACCEPT is always a katie problem of some sort
[12:20] <elmo> the message should make that clearer
[12:20] <elmo> jdub: yeah
[12:20] <jdub> thanks
[12:20] <ogra> Mithrandir: are the buttons supposed to be themed ? they only have the right color, but stiull very rough edges
[12:20] <jdub> ah stupid plone
[12:21] <jdub> elmo: http://planet.ubuntu.com/news/
[12:21] <jdub> elmo: need html as a directoryindex too :)
[12:21] <Mithrandir> ogra: what do you mean -- rough edges?
[12:21] <ogra> Mithrandir: they look like win98
[12:21] <ogra> Mithrandir: not like industrial themed
[12:22] <Mithrandir> ogra: hm, true.  Not sure what's up with that.. I'll have to look at it on i386 to see what it should look like. :)
[12:23] <elmo> oh, meh, ok
[12:23] <ogra> Mithrandir: its not too important though..... just the font and color improvement is already a lot....
[12:23] <elmo> jdub: fixed
[12:23] <jdub> elmo: thanks!
[12:24] <elmo> argh, but now it's killed index.shtml
[12:24] <jdub> haha
[12:24] <jdub> DirectoryIndex index.shtml index.html
[12:24] <elmo> that's exactly what I've done dude
[12:24] <jdub> that is surprising
[12:24] <elmo> I'm not stupid, apache is just a complete piece of arse when it comes to configuration
[12:24] <Mithrandir> ogra: it uses the gnome file selector for instance here, but the buttons aren't properly themed, you're right.
[12:25] <thom> pffft
[12:25] <jdub> elmo: if i ever think you're stupid, i won't waste time implying it. ;-)
[12:25] <ogra> Mithrandir: yup....and it seems the app icon is missing (i got the default icon in the tasklist)
[12:26] <elmo> boggle, it seems to randomly pick .shtml or .html
[12:26] <elmo> go apache.
[12:26] <fabbione> elmo: you can bitch thombot :-)
[12:27] <Mithrandir> ogra: I think we'd need to make ia32-libs-theme-industrial or something.. and I don't want to do that, for obvious reasons.
[12:27] <Riddell> how do I tell dput to upload the .orig.tar.gz ?
[12:28] <ogra> i think its ok as it is.....the fonts were the worst part and that is done :)
[12:28] <Mithrandir> Riddell:build with debuild -S -sa
[12:29] <mjg59> thom: We need some sort of power-base package that provides a consistent interface to suspend stuff
[12:30] <mvo_> is it a known problem that xsltproc segfaults after todays upgrade? 
[12:30] <azeem> didn't somebody talk about something like power-base on debian-devel some time ago?
[12:31] <Kamion> powermgmt-base exists
[12:31] <Kamion> extra bits should probably go in there
[12:32] <mjg59> Kamion: Mm. True.
[12:33] <thom> mjg59: yes
[12:33] <thom> elmo: that's definitely a bug, it should be in order
[12:33] <thom> mjg59: best yet, pbbuttonsd *almost* has a useful codebase for combining power management systems
[12:34] <mjg59> thom: So something that can check whether it's an ACPI, APM or Pmac system and call the appropriate stuff on UI events
[12:35] <thom> yah. 
[12:36] <jdub> mjg59, thom: have you seen the PowerManager stuff on the gnome wiki?
[12:36] <mjg59> Yeah
[12:36] <thom> jdub: yeah
[12:36] <mjg59> In the long run, that's the way to go
[12:36] <thom> and i've been following the discussions on the hal list, too
[12:36] <jdub> yeah
[12:36] <thom> but definitely long term
[12:38] <mvo_> seb128: any known problem with the libxml2 from yesterday? I have a crash in xsltproc that seems to be libxml2 releated
[12:38] <fabbione> daniels: ping
[12:41] <jdub> pitti: idea on u-d to have fonts as depends on language packages - i heartily endorse this idea
[12:42] <pitti> jdub: I think it's a good idea too
[12:42] <pitti> jdub: mako said that he has a list 
[12:42] <pitti> jdub: I explained him the arch repo, so he just can commit that stuff :-)
[12:42] <pitti> jdub: if you have an idea what to add, just tell me
[12:42] <seb128> mvo_: not afaik
[12:45] <seb128> jdub: #982 
[12:45] <sivang> pitti: ok, culmus for hebrew language pack can be a start :)
[12:45] <pitti> sivang: yes, send me a list of appropriate dependencies for language-support-il, and I will add them
[12:46] <sivang> pitti: cool!
[12:47] <abelli_> pitti: what if: 
[12:48] <abelli_> unable to open /proc/net/dev: permission denied..
[12:48] <sivang> pitti: also, is it a good idea to have pakcage for preconfiguring gnome kbd layout chooser to be automatically set up in the right language and maybe even the menu lang as part of this and the language-support-XX dependency?
[12:48] <abelli_> is it normal with your kernel?
[12:48] <pitti> abelli_: yes, it is; you have some /proc restrictions as normal user
[12:48] <abelli_> ok thank you
[12:49] <pitti> sivang: it shuold be the other way round
[12:49] <pitti> sivang: the installer asks for language and so on, installs the correct language pack and passes the language to the X installer
[12:49] <sivang> pitti: ok, and this is alos in the works?
[12:50] <pitti> sivang: the only missing thing so far is the installation of l-p-<lang> by d-i
[12:50] <elmo> jdub: right, fixed.. apache was actually fine, it was firefox that was broken
[12:50] <pitti> sivang: but as long as the langpacks are not in the official archive, this can't yet happen
[12:50] <no0tic> ati has released new drivers. They are compatible with xorg 6.8, and there are for 64bit too, they will be present in hoary stable?
[12:51] <mjg59> no0tic: They will be in Hoary, yes
[12:51] <no0tic> tnx
[12:52] <jdub> elmo: sweet, ta
[12:52] <Kamion> so what packages do I need to make the installer install?
[12:52] <jdub> no0tic: they've already been uploaded.
[12:54] <jdub> elmo: how much of a hassle is it for you to do p.u.c merges?
[12:54] <Kamion> er, that was a bit general - I mean for language packs
[12:54] <no0tic> jdub: cool
[12:54] <jdub> elmo: want to figure out the optimal granularity of my requests :)
[12:54] <sivang> pitti: ok, are you planning to add the auto input lang setup support as part of it? so when they will be in the official archive (and also auto synced from rosetta) we would have rocking local support? :)
[12:55] <pitti> sivang: no, the input lang setup is done by d-i
[12:56] <pitti> sivang: l-s-<lang> only provides gettext data and dependencies
[12:56] <pitti> sivang: brb, food
[12:56] <elmo> jdub: not much, but if it gets to be like one an hour, I'm going to cry
[12:58] <jdub> ok
[12:58] <jdub> lucky last one for a while coming in a minute
[12:59] <seb128> elmo: glib2.0 sync please
[12:59] <elmo> seb128: done
[01:00] <fabbione> elmo: sparc.u.c sync please :P
[01:00] <fabbione> elmo: thanks again for yesterday
[01:00] <seb128> thanks
[01:00] <fabbione> it was cool
[01:00] <jdub> elmo: fabbione said you made him hard.
[01:01] <trukulo> ogra_: oh, my god, new graveman, that man doesn't rest or what?
[01:01] <ogra> heh
[01:01] <ogra> great
[01:02] <elmo> fabbione: if there was only a command to create sparc.u.c like there is for syncs.. 
[01:02] <ogra> hoplefully he sorts out the crappy detection stuff
[01:02] <elmo> jdub: yeah, I'm working on blocking that out of my mind thanks :-P
[01:02] <trukulo> yes
[01:02] <trukulo> Fixed ATA and ATAPI devices detection, 2 !
[01:03] <jdub> elmo: he means an erection
[01:03] <jdub> elmo: i don't know if he knows how to say erection
[01:03] <jdub> elmo: but that's what he means
[01:03] <ogra> trukulo: ah, ok.....but i guess he still unses cdrecord --scanbus for that :(
[01:04] <elmo> jesus christ, it's snowing
[01:04] <Kamion> clear skies a mere couple of hundred miles south
[01:04] <thom> yeah, it bloody ain't snowing here
[01:05] <ogra> elmo: not here, youre probably in the wrong part of the world
[01:05] <trukulo> ogra: could be
[01:05] <ogra> trukulo: sad
[01:05] <trukulo> ogra: but now he changes version number ! YEAH !
[01:05] <trukulo> it's 0.3
[01:06] <trukulo> and no more dates
[01:06] <ogra> trukulo: after hoary preview i will see if n-c-b is injectable there
[01:06] <ogra> trukulo: at least the detection code
[01:06] <elmo> "Feels like: -5.6C"
[01:06] <trukulo> ogra: that could be cool
[01:07] <ogra> trukulo: way cooler would be to use dbus for IPC with cdrecord ;)
[01:07] <ogra> trukulo: but then i could rewrite the whole thing....
[01:07] <trukulo> ogra: so do it
[01:07] <trukulo> hehehe
[01:07] <fabbione> hmmm
[01:07] <fabbione> dput barfed
[01:07] <ogra> trukulo: matter of time :(
[01:08] <fabbione> elmo: can you please remove linux-sources from uploaddir?
[01:08] <ogra> trukulo: since i still have to pay my rent :/
[01:08] <fabbione> Uploading via ftp linux-image-2.6.10-2-sparc64_2.6.10-9_sparc.deb: Error '(32, 'Broken pipe')' during ftp transfer of linux-image-2.6.10-2-sparc64_2.6.10-9_sparc.deb
[01:08] <fabbione> ^^first time i see something like this
[01:08] <ogra> fabbione: haggai had something similar with ooo yesterday
[01:09] <fabbione> ogra: i am building locally to see if it is somekind of buildd problem or a missing build-dep
[01:09] <fabbione> but it is i386 specific
[01:09] <fabbione> that's for sure
[01:09] <trukulo> ogra: yeah, i have to pay the rent too, bad thing the rent
[01:09] <ogra> weird
[01:10] <ogra> trukulo: yup....ad the food and the cars....
[01:10] <ogra> and even
[01:10] <elmo> fabbione: fabbione boggle
[01:10] <trukulo> and the wife ?
[01:11] <elmo> fabbione: it's 'cos I just cleared it out of new
[01:11] <fabbione> elmo: ah
[01:11] <ogra> trukulo: i'm not fabbionne......(only a GF ...)
[01:11] <trukulo> heheheh
[01:11] <fabbione> elmo: do i need to reupload i guess
[01:11] <trukulo> fabbione: are you sure about your wedding?
[01:11] <elmo> fabbione: yeah, please retry now
[01:11] <fabbione> elmo: sure
[01:11] <trukulo> think you wouldn't wank anymore
[01:12] <sivang> trukulo: what;s wank?
[01:12] <ogra> trukulo: but i have to pay her life too ;)
[01:12] <fabbione> trukulo: in life there is only one sure thing that is DEATH!
[01:12] <sivang> fabbione: ahahah
[01:12] <sivang> fabbione: and taxes
[01:12] <fabbione> sivang: no if you live in the middle of italy ;)
[01:12] <trukulo> sivang: "touch yourself"
[01:12] <sivang> trukulo: ah :)
[01:12] <trukulo> ogra: same here with mi gf
[01:12] <sivang> fabbione: I see.
[01:12] <fabbione> ok
[01:12] <fabbione> i can reproduce the ooo build error..
[01:13] <fabbione> that's all i know :)
[01:13] <trukulo> ogra: here you have new packages: http://mercurio.homeip.net/debian/
[01:13] <ogra> trukulo: ok, lets see what turns out in the meeting tonight....#
[01:13] <trukulo> ok
[01:13] <trukulo> tell me tomorrow
[01:14] <ogra> trukulo: is your .desktop file translatable ?
[01:15] <trukulo> ogra: i use graveman's one
[01:15] <trukulo> upstream .desktop file
[01:15] <ogra> trukulo: it has one ? since which vers ?
[01:16] <ogra> trukulo: i'm still two weeks behind with my package
[01:16] <trukulo> don't remember, 20050110 could be
[01:16] <ogra> ah, ok
[01:17] <ogra> trukulo: so its a better decision to take yours for universe....will you keep it up to date ?
[01:18] <trukulo> yes, as i want to upload it into sid too
[01:18] <ogra> great :)
[01:18] <trukulo> i'm talking with debian-devel-spanish
[01:19] <trukulo> not to be a debian developer, but one of them could be my "bitch-uploader"
[01:19] <trukulo> :)
[01:19] <ogra> trukulo: as i will be for ubuntu ;)
[01:19] <trukulo> sure
[01:19] <trukulo> :)
[01:22] <trukulo> ogra: sylvain now emails me when he has new versions :)
[01:22] <trukulo> that's good
[01:22] <ogra> yay
[01:22] <ogra> tell him that we work together.....i also mailed him in the beginning of the year
[01:23] <HostingGeek> why no unrar-nonfree in ubuntu?
[01:23] <HostingGeek> unrar 1 can hardle open any rar files these days
[01:23] <ogra> ogra@honk:~ $ apt-cache show unrar-nonfree
[01:23] <ogra> Package: unrar-nonfree
[01:23] <ogra> Priority: optional
[01:23] <ogra> Section: multiverse/utils
[01:24] <trukulo> ok, so i send him an email telling that our package is the same ?
[01:24] <HostingGeek> hmmmmm
[01:24] <ogra> trukulo: yup, that would be nice :)
[01:24] <HostingGeek> sry
[01:24] <trukulo> so i'll do
[01:24] <fabbione> Treenaks: can you add a dmesg output when the cs4236 module is loaded please?
[01:25] <fabbione> i am looking at the device ID table and clearly your is missing... 
[01:25] <fabbione> but it's not really *clear* how to add one
[01:25] <fabbione> Treenaks: or very verbose lspnp
[01:25] <Treenaks> fabbione: there's no pnp code in the driver I load... only in the /other/ cs423x driver
[01:25] <Treenaks> afaik
[01:26] <Treenaks> (what's the bug # again)
[01:26] <trukulo> ogra: mail sent
[01:26] <fabbione> 4787
[01:26] <ogra> yay, thnak you :)
[01:26] <fabbione> Treenaks: and what do you load?
[01:26] <Treenaks> snd-cs4231
[01:26] <Treenaks> not snd-cs4236
[01:27] <ogra> fabbione, Treenaks: you should really involve crimsun.....he is a great alsa guy ;)
[01:28] <fabbione> Treenaks: it looks like that portion of the code is somehow shared
[01:28] <fabbione> but it would still lack the CSC0011
[01:28] <Treenaks> fabbione: ah ok.. well, the lspnp -v output is there
[01:28] <fabbione> that is the mixer/dsp one
[01:29] <Treenaks> fabbione: I can't connect to the machine (xircom + ipv6 when not in promisc mode.. argh)
[01:29] <fabbione> tsk :P
[01:29] <fabbione> ok this even is fine
[01:32] <Kamion> damn, anna's surprisingly complex considering its size
[01:32] <trukulo> ogra: new version, i made a mistake in the last one
[01:32] <ogra> trukulo: i wont sync before a decision tonight, take your time
[01:33] <trukulo> ok
[01:34] <HostingGeek> can we have java-package upgrade
[01:34] <HostingGeek> i remember just after the hoary merge there was a new version that was fixed to work with sun 5
[01:34] <HostingGeek> the current one doesn't work
[01:35] <HostingGeek> unless you edit the script a bit
[01:35] <HostingGeek> which is what the upgrade is
[01:35] <ogra> HostingGeek: there is a prepackaged java1.4 and 1.5 in the tower net repo....no need for building it yourself, see the Java wiki page
[01:36] <HostingGeek> ogra: i know
[01:36] <HostingGeek> ogra: but people still will want to build there own
[01:36] <HostingGeek> for what ever reason
[01:36] <HostingGeek> and anyway java-package *IS* in the ubuntu rep
[01:43] <jdub> elmo: http://ninjapants.org/files/chart.jpg
[01:43] <fabbione> ahaha
[01:43] <fabbione> jdub: "meh" is missing ;)
[01:43] <jdub> heh
[01:44] <fabbione> elmo:
[01:44] <fabbione> Uploading via ftp linux-image-2.6.10-2-sparc64_2.6.10-9_sparc.deb: Error '(32, 'Broken pipe')' during ftp transfer of linux-image-2.6.10-2-sparc64_2.6.10-9_sparc.deb
[01:44] <fabbione> i got the same error again..
[01:44] <fabbione> it smells of timeout or something like that
[01:45] <fabbione> let me try with a couple of small packages
[01:55] <fabbione> elmo: it is some kind of timeout problem on ftp
[01:56] <elmo> fabbione: where are you uploading from?
[01:56] <fabbione> because small file transfers are ok
[01:56] <fabbione> from hom
[01:56] <fabbione> home
[01:57] <thom> pitti: what you wanna do about #5606?
[01:58] <HostingGeek> so java-package will not be upgraded?!?
[01:59] <fabbione> HostingGeek: i told you already a couple of days ago that these issues must be discussed on the mailing list
[01:59] <fabbione> not everybody is here now to be able to do a proper evaluation & so on.
[02:00] <azeem> fwiw, the debia release managers requested a major overhaul of java-package before approval into sarge
[02:00] <azeem> killing of those *debian packages, namely
[02:01] <pitti> thom: apache-utils ships check-forensic
[02:01] <HostingGeek> fabbione: 0_o you did
[02:01] <pitti> thom: so yes, we need a security update
[02:02] <thom> pitti: (i mean for apache2, i know we need one for apache)
[02:02] <pitti> thom: nice, Javier finds all kinds of tempfile vulns
[02:02] <pitti> thom: I'm just at fixing mysql (with the same bug)
[02:02] <thom> yeah
[02:02] <pitti> thom: ah, right
[02:02] <pitti> thom: then please disregard my last comment to the bug
[02:02] <pitti> thom: apache is in universe
[02:03] <elmo> fabbione: as a work around, you could upload the large files by someother method to chinstrap/rookery/whatever and dput from there
[02:03] <HostingGeek> pitti: by apache you do mean apache 1 right?
[02:03] <elmo> fabbione: but, I could do with your help in testing/debugging the problem later, if I can't reproduce it on my connection
[02:03] <pitti> thom: if you upload a new sid package and you have validated patches, can you fix hoary as well?
[02:03] <pitti> HostingGeek: right
[02:03] <thom> pitti: yeah
[02:04] <thom> if you want to do an apache2 release i can give you a patch now
[02:04] <pitti> thom: I would like to fix Warty too, but it is not high-priority
[02:04] <thom> yeah
[02:04] <fabbione> elmo: i can wait to upload the kernel.
[02:04] <pitti> thom: the fix is easy, so if it is not too much effort, a warty update would be nice
[02:04] <jdub> elmo: so dude
[02:04] <jdub> elmo: https://www.ubuntu.com/
[02:05] <ogra> jdub: i've see you plan a mips port ?
[02:05] <jdub> elmo: this makes pointing people to www.ubuntu.com as the primary host... hard ;)
[02:05] <jdub> ogra: i'm roughly interested in playing with the idea. </non-committal>
[02:05] <ogra> jdub: fine, i got a dusty indigo2 hanging around....
[02:06] <pitti> thom: the only problem with this is that people have to update apache2 for no apparent change
[02:06] <elmo> jdub: fixed
[02:06] <ogra> jdub: unfortunately with extreme graphics, so not desktop fun, but i would offer it....
[02:07] <thom> pitti: yeah, i don't think it's worth it tbh
[02:07] <jdub> elmo: awesome, thanks
[02:07] <jdub> ogra: i have a build farm ;)
[02:07] <jdub> ogra: two cobalt cubes and a linksys wifi router.
[02:07] <ogra> yay
[02:07] <pitti> thom: hmm. Do you think there are many folks recompiling the source package and using scripts out of it?
[02:07] <pitti> thom: I don't, tbh
[02:07] <ogra> hmmm, cubes :)
[02:08] <thom> pitti: no, i don't think so either
[02:08] <pitti> thom: hmm, right. Let's forget about this
[02:08] <pitti> thom: I just saw the apache2 update on hoary-changes
[02:09] <thom> yeah, that was just to get it out the way trivially
[02:20] <Kamion> elmo: could you bump archive-copier's priority up to standard? I need this (for convoluted reasons) to stop the live CD using partman
[02:21] <Riddell> I broke something again :(  I uploaded a package without a .orig file so I did debuild -S -sa and reuploaded but I havn't had an accept or reject notice in over 2 hours
[02:21] <Kamion> archive-copier already has code in its postinst to exit early if it doesn't have a CD
[02:27] <elmo> Kamion: done
[02:28] <elmo> Riddell: what package?
[02:29] <Riddell> elmo: kipi-plugins (and also gwenview I didn't upload the .orig with)
[02:31] <elmo> Riddell: I don't think you reuploaded it to ubuntu...
[02:31] <Riddell> oh no, not again...how do I set the default upload target in dput darnit
[02:32] <fabbione> Riddell: just specify it in the command line all the time
[02:32] <fabbione> it is a good practise
[02:33] <ogra> Riddell: or drop all the other targets ;)
[02:33] <ogra> Riddell: ...from your config
[02:33] <pitti> Riddell: may it be that dput did nothing because you forgot to delete the .upload file?
[02:34] <fabbione> pitti: good point
[02:34] <Kamion> elmo: thanks
[02:34] <ogra> pitti: doesnt it complain like dupload does ?
[02:35] <pitti> ogra: it does
[02:35] <Riddell> pitti: nope, .upload says it went to debian, that's very incompetant of me
[02:35] <pitti> ogra: I don't know about you, but I never pay particular interest to the dput output
[02:35] <pitti> ogra: I just do "uup foo.changes" and forget about it...
[02:36] <ogra> pitti: snce i only have uploaded my first two packages yesterday i payed a lot attention to it ;)
[02:36] <ogra> if i'm used to it i will probably ignore it too :)
[02:36] <thom> hrm, i guess mithrandir has broken vawad then
[02:43] <pitti> lamont-away: still here?
[02:43] <pitti> lamont-away: I NEED YOU
[02:43] <Riddell> it would be good if an e-mail way sent out saying if a package you had uploaded had compiled sucessfully or no
[02:43] <lamont-away> pitti: yo
[02:43] <lamont-away> I shouldn't be here 
[02:43] <lamont-away> elmo about?
[02:43] <pitti> lamont-away: the warty-security buildds don't build ...
[02:44] <lamont-away> pitti: GAH!
[02:44] <pitti> lamont-away: he said to bother you
[02:44] <pitti> lamont-away: well, it should have time until tomorrow...
[02:44] <pitti> lamont-away: if you are in a hurry, just go
[02:44] <lamont-away> pitti: nah - I must run the kids to town, but I'll go hop online and deal with it after that.
[02:44] <pitti> lamont-away: sure, thanks!
[02:45] <lamont-away> should take about 45-60 min before you see lamont_r on
[02:45] <elmo> lamont-away: w-b can see them, I didn't investigate further than that yet
[02:45] <lamont-away> elmo: cool.
[03:00] <thom> mjg59: 5619 for your enjoyment
[03:01] <fabbione> duplicate of another one that is pending upload
[03:02] <mjg59> fabbione: No, it's a completely different one (sadly)
[03:03] <fabbione> mjg59: the submitter admitted it...
[03:03] <fabbione> it's the same...
[03:03] <fabbione> otherwise just unmerge them :-.)
[03:03] <mjg59> fabbione: No, it's entirely different
[03:03] <fabbione> ok
[03:03] <fabbione> have fun
[03:03] <fabbione> ;)
[03:03] <fabbione> i am off for a while
[03:05] <zul> hey
[03:10] <thom> pitti: 1.3.31-6ubuntu0.3 uploaded
[03:10] <pitti> thom: thanks
[03:17] <tseng> whats the policy on filing bugs against universe?
[03:17] <tseng> oh there it is, appologies
[03:20] <Keybuk> Bug#249182: universe: rules aren't consistent when viewed close-up.
[03:22] <elmo> good god
[03:22] <tseng> Keybuk: libfaad2-dev is uninstallable, but the notice says it only gets fixed when synced from sid
[03:22] <elmo> sparc by itself, 1.2Gb.  sparc +all, 8.8Gb
[03:24] <zul> mmmm....magnet
[03:25] <ogra> tseng: hmm, i cant find a libfaad in debian....
[03:25] <Treenaks> libfaad?
[03:25] <tseng> hang on a sec, it might be me
[03:25] <tseng> because the source package is sane
[03:26] <tseng> nope, i only have hoary archives listed.. thought maybe in marillat
[03:26] <Treenaks> ogra: libfaad2-0
[03:26] <ogra> hmm, looks like marillat....
[03:26] <Treenaks> ogra: in marillat. yes
[03:26] <tseng> its in multiverse.
[03:29] <tseng> building from source results in working packages, i must have something messed locally
[03:46] <shaya> jdub: you here?
[03:46] <jdub> i am
[03:47] <shaya> so, gonna fix planet.gnome.org's xml :)
[03:48] <lamont_r> pitti: fixed
[03:49] <pitti> lamont_r: thanks
[03:49] <lamont_r> pitti: and I have NFC how long ago I introduced that bug, or how it lived this long...
[03:50] <pitti> lamont_r: it still worked three days ago
[03:50] <ogra> sivang ... around ?
[03:50] <lamont_r> I rebuilt the chroots, and the bug has been in the script for building chroots for as long as I can see...
[03:50] <lamont_r> (it helps if you have a deb-src line pointing at warty-security in addition to warty... :-)
[03:52] <lamont_r> pitti: which is to say, those chroots haven't been rebuilt since I built them by hand ages ago
[03:53] <pitti> lamont_r: so all uploaded packages dep-waited on some security update?
[03:54] <shaya> ijdub: so that's a no? :(
[03:54] <jdub> shaya: oh, haven't got to it yet
[03:55] <elmo> fabbione: sparc.u.c's up
[03:55] <lamont_r> anybody got anything else before I disappear for a few hours?
[03:55] <lamont_r> pitti: do you care if it takes a while to retry your packages?
[03:56] <pitti> lamont_r: what is "a while"?
[03:56] <pitti> lamont_r: hours are no problem; days might become a problem :-)
[03:57] <pitti> lamont_r: btw, I just upload the next security update
[03:57] <pitti> lamont_r: if you need something to play with :-)
[03:58] <no0tic> hi all
[03:58] <no0tic> I have finished installing hoary from array2 and I noticed many problems
[03:59] <no0tic> it doesn't install xorg & gnome automatically, for example
[03:59] <no0tic> it recognized synaptic touchpad but not installed the proper drivers
[04:01] <lamont_r> pitti: fwiw, warty-{security,updates} are fixed everywhere, hoary-{security,updates} aren't yet, but should't matter
[04:01] <pitti> lamont_r: right, I don't use hoary-security yet
[04:01] <lamont_r> right
[04:02] <lamont_r> I've fixed the script, and will fix hoary later today, I expct
[04:02] <elmo> why the hell is bazaar-doc in universe?
[04:02] <lamont_r> elmo: because it's not seeded, of course.
[04:03] <pitti> thom: btw, did you upload apache for hoary as well?
[04:04] <thom> not yet
[04:04] <thom> gonna do an upload to unstable and get it synced
[04:04] <pitti> that's even better
[04:04] <pitti> I just want to keep track :-)
[04:07] <jdub> i can't stay awake for CC
[04:08] <ogra> :(
[04:08] <Keybuk> it's TB today
[04:08] <ogra> jdub: you really sleep too much :p
[04:08] <jdub> oh yeah
[04:08] <jdub> oh, my evo is wrong
[04:09] <pitti> sivang: you want the culmus package with the langpacks, right?
[04:10] <pitti> sivang: since this is in universe right now, can you please talk about this package in today's TB?
[04:11] <ogra> pitti: regarding the ML it should move into main soon
[04:13] <pitti> ogra: on which ML?
[04:13] <ogra> -devel i think....someone wrote that culmus is quite necessary for hebrew
[04:14] <pitti> ogra: yes, right. and I answered that I would add it as soon as it is in main
[04:14] <pitti> ogra: that's why I want to propose that in the TB
[04:14] <ogra> argh....blind me
[04:14] <pitti> ogra: because strictly speaking it is far too late to change the seeds 
[04:14] <ogra>  just saw it
[04:34] <seb128> elmo: here ?
[04:36] <ogra> lamont_r: TB meeting in 30....
[04:36] <lamont_r> mdz about>
[04:36] <lamont_r> ?
[04:37] <Kamion> lamont_r: supported: * bazaar-doc            # docs for bazaar
[04:37] <lamont_r> Kamion: works for me...
[04:38] <Kamion> lamont_r: it's been there for a while
[04:38] <lamont_r> wonder if that just got committed?
[04:38] <lamont_r> hrm.
[04:38] <Kamion> so I blame elmo ;)
[04:38] <lamont_r> yep.  muppet-error
[04:38] <Kamion> 2004-12-07 11:32:08 GMT James Troup <james.troup@canonical.com> patch-48
[04:38] <Kamion>     Summary:
[04:38] <Kamion>       Add bazaar-doc.
[04:38] <lamont_r> maybe that's why he noticed?
[04:38] <lamont_r> LOL
[04:38] <lamont_r> LOL
[04:38] <lamont_r> damn you Kamion 
[04:41] <lamont_r> dammit.  need to be at tb
[04:43] <Kamion> hell yeah
[04:45] <lamont_r> Kamion: hell yeah remove it , or hell yeah I need to be at tb?
[04:46] <Kamion> removing it, once the alternative is in place
[04:47] <lamont_r> Kamion: or even without the alternative?
[04:47] <Kamion> not so convinced about that
[04:47] <lamont_r> yeah - we'd have to make exim4 a virtual package, or change a bunch of Depends. :-)
[04:49] <mdz> morning
[04:49] <mdz> lamont_r: am now
[04:49] <lamont_r> mdz: I was debating the virtues of MLKJ+1 day vs the t-b meeting, then I read the agenda, and the question was solved.
[04:50] <lamont_r> mdz: although if we could do mail first, then I can run off for the hour or 2 that I really want to run off for, and celebrate MLKJ+2 day instead. :-)
[04:52] <pitti> Hi mdz
[04:52] <mdz> hello
[04:53] <mdz> tech board meeting in ~6 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[04:53] <fabbione> hey mdz
[04:53] <pitti> sivang: ping
[04:58] <mdz> hmm, oo.o2 still not building
[04:58] <mdz> and the latest version isn't in the archive, though I think I know how to fix the most recent build failure
[04:58] <fabbione> neither oo1 for i386
[04:58] <fabbione> haggai: ping
[05:01] <thom> seb128: you bribed someone to fix find in epiphany?
[05:01] <elmo> seb128: ?
[05:01] <elmo> kamion: germinate.output:? Unknown supported package: bazaar-doc
[05:02] <elmo> am I being particularly dense or something?
[05:02] <seb128> thom: find extension working, I'm testing right now and will upload a cvs snapshot in a few min
[05:02] <seb128> chpe did it
[05:02] <Kamion> elmo: is that germinate run including universe?
[05:02] <fabbione> elmo: do you want me try to upload again and see if timeouts?
[05:03] <seb128> elmo: python2.4-libxml2 is in universe ... I changed the desktop seed before uploading it, that's not enough to get it into main ?
[05:03] <thom> seb128: SWEEET!
[05:03] <elmo> Kamion: yeah
[05:04] <elmo> fabbione: no, not yet, I haven't added debug code
[05:04] <fabbione> elmo: ok
[05:04] <seb128> elmo: python2.4-libxslt1 will probably be in the same case we python2.4-libxml2 is here to build libxslt1
[05:05] <Kamion> elmo: just trying it for myself now
[05:06] <seb128> haggai: you need a pbuilder (and a fast box) to test your build-deps :p
[05:08] <lamont_r> seb128: or even better, an sbuild setup
[05:09] <lamont_r> since pbuilder and sbuild use different logic to pick the build-deps to install..
[05:09] <elmo> seb128: caught up, sorry
[05:09] <lamont_r> that is, assuming that you have any | build-deps...
[05:09] <seb128> elmo: np
[05:09] <seb128> lamont_r: yeah, that's probably OO.o's case
[05:11] <Kamion> mdz: in case you haven't seen it, I made a casper change earlier to take advantage of the extra tweak I added to anna; behind the scenes I also removed archive-copier from udeb_include, which should further stop anna trying to pull in partman via dependencies
[05:12] <lamont_r> seb128: almost certainly - without even looking... :-)
[05:12] <mdz> Kamion: I haven't done mail yet
[05:12] <Kamion> live CD will need retesting after that
[05:12] <Kamion> I didn't test the live CD, but I did test an identical change to rescue
[05:22] <Kamion> elmo: haha
[05:22] <Kamion> elmo: germinate doesn't like the tabs following bazaar-doc
[05:22] <elmo> boggle
[05:22] <elmo> it doesn't .strip()?
[05:23] <Kamion>             if pkg.find(" ") != -1:
[05:23] <Kamion>                 pkg = pkg[:pkg.find(" ")] 
[05:23] <Kamion> let me just check that that isn't my fault ...
[05:23] <Keybuk> Kamion: ?
[05:23] <elmo> BOGGLE
[05:25] <seb128> who is taking care of samba around ?
[05:25] <Kamion> yep, it's in Keybuk's last version :)
[05:25] <Kamion> ok, willfix
[05:26] <Keybuk> what's that doing?
[05:26] <haggai> seb128: yeah, it's quicker to reupload than to rebuild...
[05:26] <Keybuk> you can't insert literal tabs into Moin, can you ?!
[05:26] <elmo> Keybuk: we stopped using moin for the seeds, they're in tla as text files now
[05:27] <Kamion> like ages ago
[05:28] <Kamion> pkg = pkg.split()[0]  seems simpler and saner
[05:28] <elmo> umm?
[05:28] <Keybuk> I don't think I knew about pkg.split() then :p
[05:28] <seb128> grumpf, forgotten the TB again
[05:29] <elmo> Kamion: [1]  surely?
[05:29] <elmo> [0]  will be the *
[05:29] <elmo> tho I'm assuming pkg is the whole line
[05:30] <Kamion> elmo: " * " has already been stripped by that point, it's not the whole line any more
[05:31] <elmo> ah, ok, sorry
[05:31] <Kamion> ok, seems to work, let me test a bit more
[05:31] <Kamion> elmo: can I have the debugging bits from that failed germinate upgrade?
[05:32] <elmo> Kamion: ah, fair point
[05:32] <elmo> I'll try again
[05:34] <thom> seb128: < thaytan> xsltproc is suddenly crashing here building gstreamer docs
[05:35] <seb128> thom: known issue, need new libxslt 1.12 which has been uploaded ~1 hour ago
[05:40] <elmo> Kamion: meh, never mind
[05:40] <elmo> you changed the name of the input files, that's what broke me
[05:41] <Kamion> elmo: I did?
[05:41] <Kamion> elmo: oh, I changed Packages to hoary_main_Packages, sorry ...
[05:42] <Kamion> elmo: TBH I'd recommend you start using the multi-component support, then you don't have to deal with those filenames at all
[05:42] <fabbione> mvo__: ping
[05:42] <Kamion> elmo: I fixed germinate to stop trashing any file: mirror you point it at, too
[05:42] <elmo> I dealt with multi-component by catting them together, it works well enough ;P
[05:42] <mvo__> fabbione: pong
[05:42] <fabbione> mvo__: the last aptitude ubuntu7 bombs on sparc
[05:42] <fabbione> xsltproc -o output-html/ ./../aptitude-html.xsl ./aptitude.xml
[05:42] <fabbione> make[5] : *** [doc-html-stamp]  Bus error
[05:43] <fabbione> (FTBFS)
[05:43] <fabbione> i have never seen this error on all the other versions
[05:43] <mvo__> fabbione: a bad libxml2
[05:43] <elmo> fabbione: see scroll back
[05:43] <Kamion> elmo: sorry, I'd forgotten that you were depending on those names, I'd been considering them internal
[05:43] <thom> fabbione: see what i said to seb a few minutes ago
[05:43] <elmo> kamion: "Packages" ?? 
[05:43] <mvo__> fabbione: or rather, a bad libxml2 + libxslt combination
[05:43] <fabbione> ah ok
[05:43] <elmo> anyway no prob now I know
[05:43] <Kamion> elmo: well, germinate downloads to them :-)
[05:43] <mvo__> a new upload is on the way
[05:43] <fabbione> thanks
[05:43] <fabbione> mvo__: yes i saw ubuntu8 already
[05:45] <mvo__> fabbione: it will work again when libxslt_1.1.12 has entered the archive
[05:46] <fabbione> mvo__: ok thanks. i will keep an eye on it
[05:47] <mvo__> np. and cheers to seb128 because he did the new libxslt upload :)
[05:50] <haggai> fabbione: oo1 - seems the moz libs have changed which breaks OOo's internal moz libs
[05:51] <fabbione> haggai: ah
[05:51] <fabbione> how to fix it?
[05:51] <fabbione> because it fails only on i386
[05:51] <haggai> ah, yeah that will be the only arch that actually uses the moz stuff, it's disabled on all the rest
[05:52] <haggai> we could disable it on i386 too
[05:52] <seb128> lamont_r: can you kick the libxslt build ?
[05:52] <fabbione> haggai: ok.. do you have a fix for it?
[05:52] <lamont_r> how's it blocked?
[05:52] <haggai> fabbione: I'll have to look, as with all things OOo it'll take a while to sort out
[05:53] <fabbione> haggai: ok. does OOo forks its build? aka make -j X ?
[05:53] <seb128> lamont_r: probably waiting for python2.4-libxml2 which was in universe due to a name change
[05:53] <seb128> lamont_r: elmo has moved it to main
[05:54] <fabbione> haggai: if so i have a pretty fast build cluster over here
[05:54] <Kamion> elmo: fix committed, patch-31
[05:54] <lamont_r> if it's dep-wait for somthing that now exists, all is well, and will kick sortly. If it's dep-wait on a package name that will never exist, then I need to fix it... whch is it?
[05:54] <seb128> lamont_r: first
[05:55] <haggai> fabbione: it can fork but it isn't reliable
[05:55] <fabbione> amen
[05:55] <seb128> lamont_r: and it creates probably a lot of ftbfs since doc build segfault with the old libxslt
[05:55] <seb128> lamont_r: so better to build it asap
[05:56] <haggai> fabbione: strangely enough, OOo2 has now failed on the buildd too for exactly the same reason, even though it didn't on my system.  Maybe I can build-conflicts with something
[05:57] <fabbione> haggai: interesting....
[05:57] <fabbione> haggai: let me know what you figure out. i need to put oo1 back asap
[05:58] <haggai> fabbione: I can take over
[05:58] <elmo> Kamion: seems a lot happier now
[05:58] <elmo> (not patch-31, just the new germinate in general)
[05:58] <fabbione> haggai: i don't think you can upload to main, can you?
[05:58] <fabbione> haggai: if so just go ahead.. it's fine for me
[05:58] <haggai> fabbione: sure I can
[05:58] <fabbione> perfect
[05:58] <fabbione> thanks a lot!
[05:58] <haggai> no probs
[05:59] <haggai> seems the latest evo made the change
[05:59] <seb128> what change ?
[05:59] <haggai> that pulls in the extra symbol via moz somehow
[05:59] <haggai> my build env didn't have newest evo
[06:00] <seb128> oh
[06:00] <fabbione> i knew..
[06:00] <elmo> and bazaar-doc comes into main with patch-31
[06:00] <fabbione> it's always GTK at fault :P
[06:00] <seb128> evolution-data-server probably
[06:00] <seb128> which symbole ?
[06:00] <haggai> seb128: yup, that project is linking against libebook
[06:00] <haggai> Checking DLL ../../../unxlngi4.pro/lib/check_libevoab2.so ...: ERROR: /usr/lib/libsoftokn3.so: undefined symbol: PR_GetLibraryFilePathname
[06:01] <haggai> libnspr4.so contains the new sym
[06:01] <haggai> it wouldn't be such a problem if OOo's moz stuff wasn't so b0rken
[06:05] <seb128> haggai: I'll fix eds in a min
[06:08] <sivang> pitti: pong
[06:10] <fabbione> lamont_r: adding universe to the buildd... i noticed that the output of quinn-diff adds universe/ to the list
[06:10] <fabbione> now. in my wanna-build i added qw(main universe)
[06:10] <lamont_r> yes
[06:10] <fabbione> will that preserve the priority of building main before universe?
[06:10] <lamont_r> huh?
[06:10] <fabbione> or do i need to do some more magic?
[06:10] <elmo> no, you need to patch it
[06:10] <fabbione> well i want to prioritize packages from main
[06:11] <lamont_r> fabbione: I think the w-b in the admin archive has elmo's patch in it.
[06:11] <elmo> fabbione: check out chinstrap:~james/wanna-build
[06:11] <elmo> oh, ok
[06:11] <lamont_r> and I'll double check that today
[06:11] <fabbione> yes i am using the one from db.d.o
[06:11] <fabbione> or admin.. or whatever
[06:12] <fabbione> elmo: is that sufficient to your knowledge?
[06:12] <elmo> fabbione: dunno, diff the one you have with the one I put on chinstrap
[06:13] <elmo>                 $sectval{"universe/$i"} = $sectval{$i}+80;
[06:13] <fabbione> elmo: ok thanks
[06:13] <elmo>                 $componentval{"universe/$i"} = 1;
[06:13] <elmo> and that are the two key lines
[06:13] <fabbione> checking..
[06:13] <lamont_r> elmo: it's there
[06:14] <lamont_r> fabbione: the admin archive in the data center, not debian's.
[06:14] <lamont_r> you'll need that for package translation stripping as well..
[06:14] <fabbione> lamont_r: no i have the one from debian...
[06:14] <fabbione> replacing it now ;)
[06:15] <haggai> seb128: do you think there's something fixable?  I think it's probably OOo's fault
 haggai: I'll fix eds in a min
[06:16] <haggai> seb128: I wasn't expecting you to fix anything
[06:16] <seb128> libebook1.2-dev need to depends on libnspr-dev
[06:16] <seb128> that's an eds bug
[06:16] <seb128> since libebook is linked with it
[06:17] <haggai> oh, right.  Another problem, then.
[06:17] <haggai> It won't actually fix my OOo problem because OOo has an internal copy of the moz lib
[06:18] <seb128> you said that's due to eds
[06:18] <seb128> (just a quick question out of this, a friend is pinging me, OO.o crash in debian for his user with that:
[06:18] <seb128> sh: crash_report: command not found
[06:18] <seb128> Fatal exception: Signal 11
[06:19] <seb128> and works as root .. any idea on what could be wrong ?)
[06:22] <fabbione> elmo: do i also need the /C/ switch?
[06:22] <haggai> no.  people sometimes report such a problem, but it can be several problems
[06:22] <elmo> fabbione: oh, yeah
[06:22] <elmo> I think
[06:23] <haggai> seb128: it could be an unreadable font, or unreadable files in his home directory.  Get him to try moving ~/.sversionrc and ~/.openoffice away and try again
[06:23] <fabbione> elmo: ok thanks
[06:24] <seb128> haggai: ok thanks. He says that oo.o was working fine with wmaker and crashes since he switched to GNOME .... noooooo, not a new GNOME bug :p
[06:25] <haggai> seb128: yuk
[06:26] <elmo> lol
[06:26] <elmo> iz always gtk bug
[06:26] <haggai> and almost always has something to do with evo.. 
[06:28] <haggai> seb128: I already have that moz lib installed on my hoary chroot and oo1 still isn't building on it
[06:28] <haggai> so I have to fix OOo :(
[06:29] <seb128> haggai: libnspr-dev ?
[06:33] <haggai> seb128: yes
[06:35] <elmo> Riddell: ?
[06:35] <elmo>    * Build fixes
[06:35] <elmo> please document what you actually changed in changelogs
[06:36] <Riddell> elmo: fair point
[06:36] <Riddell> elmo: will you delete that one and get me to reload or let it pass?
[06:37] <elmo> it's already gone in, I'm just asking for future ref
[06:39] <lamont_r> Riddell: I save comments like 'stupid typo' for arch logs. :-)
[06:39] <lamont_r> the changelog gets 'stupid typo in postinst was causing dpkg-divert to fail' or some such.
[06:41] <lamont_r> seb128: libxslt is uploaded on at least one architecture now...
[06:41] <seb128> lamont-away: cool, thanks
[06:43] <Mithrandir> argh, my x40 fan has started making annoying noises.
[06:47] <Kamion> Mithrandir: that's your fault for buying an x40
[06:48] <Mithrandir> bah, I'll just call IBM and get them to fix it.
[06:49] <sabdfl> Kamion: j-e-a-l-o-u-s-y ;-)
[06:51] <Kamion> :-)
[06:54] <elmo> that seems to be a feature of IBM laptop's, Marianne's is MIGRANE-INDUCINGLY loud
[06:56] <thom> mine is silent unless i'm building firefux
[06:56] <Mithrandir> mine used to be silent until this morning
[06:57] <daniels> fabbione: pong
[07:00] <fabbione> daniels: too late.. i can't remember what i had to ask..
[07:03] <mdz> haggai: build-depends: bzip2 :-)
[07:04] <daniels> fabbione: TOO LATE OH WELL
[07:04] <fabbione> i just can't remember
[07:05] <haggai> mdz: for OOo? gah, thx
[07:06] <mdz> Unpacking OO.o build tree - [ go make some tea ]  ...
[07:06] <mdz> tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory
[07:06] <mdz> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[07:07] <mdz> ajmitch: the universe-only process is a simplified way for people to get upload privileges to universe
[07:07] <doko> mdz: Charles asked me about Python module packages that need to be updated for 2.4. these from universe?
[07:08] <mdz> ajmitch: sabdfl will be documenting it shortly
[07:08] <mdz> doko: universe, yes
[07:08] <elmo> gar source-only uploads SUCK for checking packages
[07:08] <T-Bone> heh
[07:09] <Kamion> private buildd farm just for NEW, whose output gets thrown away on ACCEPT? :)
[07:09] <Kamion> (yes, crack, I know)
[07:09] <haggai> elmo: yeah, now if the ftpmasters documented and packaged their buildds properly I would have solved that ;)  as it is I'm still working on it
[07:09] <T-Bone> Kamion: heh ;) btw, got my mail?
[07:10] <elmo> haggai: huh?  I'm talking about NEW
[07:10] <elmo> Kamion: seriously, that's been on our TODO list for sometime, it's a relaly good idea
[07:10] <haggai> elmo: ah I thought you were complaining bitterly about all my OOo2 br0ken source uploads..
[07:10] <elmo> as it is, I'm abusing BATTLESTAR concordia to do the same thing in a more manual fashion
[07:10] <elmo> Take that Cylon scum!
[07:10] <Kamion> elmo: doesn't it mean building not-even-slightly-vetted stuff though? that's why I thought it'd be crack
[07:11] <Kamion> T-Bone: yeah, just buried in main-menu at the moment
[07:11] <Kamion> (it's grubby in here)
[07:11] <T-Bone> Kamion: k np. I suppose it'll be in tomorrow's snapshot?
[07:11] <elmo> Kamion: well, it's come from a known person - better it breaks in the known-to-be-dangerous buildd enviornment than for 11 architectures
[07:11] <Kamion> T-Bone: hope so, I'm not doing much else tonight
[07:11] <Kamion> elmo: oh I guess it's been gpg-checked by that point, duh
[07:12] <T-Bone> Kamion: sure, lemme know when you have more time. No hurry on my side ;)
[07:12] <Kamion> T-Bone: what I meant was "yes, will do tonight" :-)
[07:12] <ogra> so who is able to edit the CoC webpage.... ?
[07:12] <ogra> elmo ?
[07:12] <T-Bone> Kamion: ;o)
[07:12] <elmo> ogra: why?
[07:12] <Kamion> I don't think we need to go back and forth by e-mail any more, so I just need to apply the patch and tweak
[07:12] <elmo> [I don't think I am tho] 
[07:12] <Kamion> I can but would rather not; try mako?
[07:13] <ogra> elmo: for adding a link to a txt version of the CoC
[07:13] <T-Bone> Kamion: k. If you have hints for me wrt my specific questions, that'd be cool ;)
[07:13] <ogra> elmo: to make signing easier
[07:13] <Kamion> T-Bone: yeah, will reply to those
[07:13] <T-Bone> thx a lot
[07:13] <ogra> elmo: sabdfl just assigned it to me
[07:13] <ogra> elmo: are you the guy ?
[07:14] <elmo> ogra: hmm, *shrug* I can edit it, so yeah, I guess
[07:14] <ogra> hmm, so who is the one ? mako ?
[07:14] <elmo> blah.  kde.  makes even concordia slow and boring
[07:14] <ogra> elmo: great :)
[07:14] <ogra> elmo: fine :) http://www.grawert.net/CoC.txt
[07:15] <elmo> hmm, can you get the text version on the website?
[07:15] <Riddell> elmo: if you said that in #ubuntu jdub would tell you off
[07:15] <mako> i'm happy to edit the coc webpage
[07:15] <T-Bone> hi mako!
[07:15] <mako> T-Bone: hola
[07:15] <elmo> Riddell: jdub tells me off all the time anyway
[07:15] <ogra> yay mako
[07:16] <ogra> mako: could you add my text doc to download to the site please ?
[07:16] <ogra> mako: http://www.grawert.net/CoC.txt
[07:17] <T-Bone> Kamion: side note: Thierry tested 20050117 on a SCSI zx2000 without trouble, afaict. Will check on my zx6000 anyway tomorrow's image
[07:17] <ogra> mako: and porbaly re-read it before putting it up ... just in case ;)
[07:17] <ogra> thaks :)
[07:19] <elmo> does KDE install it's docs as .docbook files in the .deb?
[07:22] <crimsun> yes, at least looking at kdebase-bin
[07:22] <elmo> boggle.. ok
[07:22] <Riddell> elmo: no, .html is generated at compile time
[07:22] <crimsun> Riddell: what of the .docbooks?
[07:23] <mdz> Kamion: did you test casper with the new anna stuff?
[07:23] <elmo> Riddell: they don't seem to be in kipi-plugins?
[07:23] <mdz> Kamion: it seems likely that it's missing some dependencies
[07:23] <mdz> (e.g., hw-detect-full)
[07:23] <ogra> trukulo
[07:23] <trukulo> ogra, tell me
[07:24] <ogra> i'll prepare it tonight ;)
[07:24] <trukulo> ogra, tomorrow i'll update a better package
[07:24] <trukulo> corrected by DD
[07:24] <ogra> great !
[07:24] <trukulo> and i'll make a ITP
[07:24] <ogra> so i'll wait a day
[07:24] <mako> ogra: i am going to run to the store quickly... i'm add it when i get back :)
[07:24] <ogra> mako: will be enough i think :)
[07:25] <Riddell> elmo: kipi-plugins has no docs that I've seen
[07:25] <trukulo> ok
[07:26] <Kamion> mdz: I tested rescue, which has equivalent disk detection requirements; it's fine
[07:26] <elmo> -rw-r--r-- root/root      1517 2004-12-12 09:33:35 ./usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kipi-plugins/borderimages.docbook
[07:26] <elmo> -rw-r--r-- root/root       813 2004-12-12 09:33:35 ./usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kipi-plugins/findduplicateimages.docbook
[07:26] <elmo> -rw-r--r-- root/root      1087 2004-12-12 09:33:35 ./usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kipi-plugins/acquireimages.docbook
[07:26] <elmo> Riddell: ^---
[07:27] <Kamion> mdz: oh, but rescue-mode depends on harddrive-detection; I think you should do the same in casper
[07:27] <Kamion> (hw-detect-full provides harddrive-detection)
[07:27] <Kamion> I didn't realise you weren't depending on that explicitly
[07:28] <Kamion> mdz: to be pedantically correct you should also depend on casper-check, since you db_get a template defined there
[07:29] <Riddell> elmo: ok I'm wrong, some packages generate the HTML at compile time and some at build time
[07:30] <Riddell> s/build time/doc reading time/
[07:30] <elmo> ok
[07:30] <elmo> well ignore the third item in my REJECT mail then :)
[07:31] <Riddell> righty
[07:36] <no0tic> it's useful if I describe my experience with hoary array 2 installation?
[07:37] <Kamion> yes, but a mailing list might be a better place than IRC
[07:38] <Kamion> or bug reports for specific issues
[07:38] <Kamion> if you're not sure where bug reports should go, a general installation report is fine too
[07:38] <elmo> hmm, I should probably schedule some time to try hoary installs on all our servers types
[07:39] <Kamion> that would be nice, esp. for hotpluggish hardware detection
[07:39] <no0tic> I would like to know if my problems are normal problems or there something strange
[07:40] <Kamion> damn, my reduced libc doesn't have scandir; wonder if it's easier to reimplement in opendir/readdir/closedir or to rebuild the initrd ...
[07:40] <Kamion> no0tic: what was the first thing that went wrong?
[07:42] <no0tic> Kamion: after the installation the system rebooted and xorg didn't come up because it found synaptics touchpad but not installed the drivers
[07:42] <Kamion> oh, not stuff I know about then
[07:42] <Kamion> mail the list :-)
[07:42] <no0tic> Kamion: then I had to install gdm manually but it didn't start because of a font problem
[07:43] <no0tic> Kamion: where can I find it?
[07:43] <Kamion> did you choose to install software from the network?
[07:43] <Kamion> if so, try the other way: answer "no" to that question, and you won't be vulnerable to recent archive changes
[07:43] <Kamion> ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
[07:43] <no0tic> Kamion: I installed from cd
[07:44] <Kamion> yes, I know, but it asks you whether you want to install updates from the network
[07:44] <no0tic> ah, ok, I thought it installed it from cd and then tried to update packages from the net with no avail
[07:44] <no0tic> then it's clear
[07:45] <Kamion> it tries, but tolerates some kinds of failure, like the network not being there
[07:46] <mdz> Kamion: ok, will add a dep on harddrive-detection in my next upload
[07:46] <mdz> Kamion: and casper-check
[07:46] <Kamion> ok, cool
[07:46] <mdz> Kamion: I've been working out how to debconfize the hardcoded stuff in casper
[07:46] <Kamion> mdz: note you'll need a new rebuild from little before partman disappears
[07:46] <mdz> Kamion: how evil would it be for me to use debconf to pass data from one casper hook to another?
[07:47] <Kamion> in what way?
[07:47] <Kamion> setting questions as a means of communication is fairly non-evil in d-i
[07:47] <Kamion> if that's what you mean
[07:47] <mdz> e.g., 15swap does db_input casper/swap/devices, and then a later script db_gets that to write it into fstab
[07:47] <Mithrandir> mdz: do you want UVF exception request by mail rather than by IRC?
[07:47] <Kamion> really db_input? as in ask the user?
[07:47] <mdz> priority low
[07:47] <Kamion> ok
[07:47] <mdz> defaulting to "auto"
[07:47] <Kamion> yeah, that sort of thing's fine IMHO as long as the ordering's defined
[07:48] <mdz> in which case it finds one and db_sets it
[07:48] <Kamion> partman's no different really
[07:48] <mdz> ok
[07:48] <mdz> Mithrandir: yes, email elmo, CC me+jdub
[07:48] <Kamion> in d-i, debconf is allowed to be a registry ;-)
[07:48] <ajmitch> is the mono packaging for ubuntu just based off the debian packaging?
[07:48] <mdz> that was the essence of my question :-)
[07:49] <Mithrandir> mdz: ok
[07:49] <thom> ajmitch: it *is* the debian packaging
[07:49] <ajmitch> thom: right, so I should bug them
[07:50] <mdz> Kamion: what do you think about moving those symlinks from casper-udeb to localechooser, hw-detect, netcfg, etc.?
[07:50] <ajmitch> about 1.0.5 being released for a month or so
[07:50] <Kamion> (in death, a member of Project Mayhem has a name.)
[07:50] <crimsun> ajmitch: meebey and zomb will just smite you.
[07:50] <Kamion> mdz: I'm inclined to think it's cleaner than dangling symlinks in casper-udeb ...
[07:50] <ajmitch> crimsun: I'm sure :)
[07:50] <mdz> Kamion: I agree, but as far as actually getting the changes in
[07:50] <mdz> Kamion: should I upload them, or will you?
[07:50] <crimsun> ajmitch: the decision to use 1.0.4 instead of 1.0.5 was based on the latter consisting mainly of documentation updates.
[07:51] <ajmitch> crimsun: but I can help them out
[07:51] <Kamion> either's fine, I can do it tonight if you like
[07:51] <mdz> iirc, the udeb process doesn't really care about file overlaps, so we don't really need to synchronize
[07:51] <ajmitch> I see
[07:51] <Kamion> the last udeb in lexicographical order wins, as far as stuff in the initrd goes
[07:51] <Kamion> TBH I can't remember what happens with stuff installed by udpkg at run-time
[07:52] <Kamion> mm, yeah, it doesn't care either
[07:54] <mdz> Kamion: they'll be identical anyway
[07:54] <mdz> since you're probably going to upload some of those as time goes on anyway, I think it makes sense for you to do it
[07:54] <mdz> no particular hurry
[07:54] <Kamion> I'll just blitz them :)
[07:55] <Kamion> it'll need an initrd rebuild before it takes effect though
[07:55] <mdz> Kamion: did you see that report on ubuntu-devel of vga16fb apparently using 80x30 characters on an 80x24 screen?
[07:56] <Kamion> mdz: yes; unfortunately the same applies the other way round on some hardware
[07:56] <mdz> has that ever been reported before?
[07:56] <Kamion> yeah, it happens from time to time
[07:56] <Kamion> some people have to use vga=<blah>
[07:56] <Kamion> but if you try vga=791 (or whatever) on other hardware you get the same bug
[07:56] <Kamion> I haven't seen a single sane solution that works everywhere
[07:57] <mdz> 80x24 on 80x30 seems better than 80x30 on 80x24 ;-)
[07:57] <Kamion> no, not that way
[07:57] <Kamion> I have systems that overflow the screen on vga=791
[07:57] <Kamion> whichever one you pick you lose similarly
[07:58] <Kamion> it's documented on one of the isolinux help screens
[07:59] <Kamion> I'd like to see a better solution, but I fear that it has to be a (vga16|vesa)fb fix in the kernel rather than a configuration change
[07:59] <mdz> haggai: weird, when I uudecode src/images_kde-m62-1.zip.uu, I get a .zip archive that unzip can't extract
[07:59] <mdz> (corrupt?)
[08:02] <haggai> mdz: that's not normal
[08:27] <mdz> Archive:  src/images_kde-m62-1.zip
[08:27] <mdz>   End-of-central-directory signature not found.  Either this file is not
[08:27] <mdz> haggai: well, so long as it builds on the buildds...
[08:37] <elmo> ogra: 
[08:37] <ogra> yup
[08:37] <elmo> ogra: you're missing a build-depend on debmake
[08:37] <ogra> ouch
[08:37] <ogra> sorry
[08:37] <Mithrandir> oh no! not debmake.
[08:37] <Kamion> *debmake*?
[08:37] <Mithrandir> please, not debmake.
[08:37] <elmo> and debmake is REALLY old and crap, if at all possible you should fix the package to use something a little less 70's
[08:38] <ogra> ok
[08:38] <Mithrandir> gcc should conflict with debmake or something.
[08:38] <elmo> ogra: also, you need to put the actual license into the debian/copyright file
[08:38] <elmo> not just who has copyright on it
[08:39] <ogra> i'll do, sorry to make fuss
[08:39] <elmo> it's no prob
[08:40] <ogra> :)
[08:48] <Kamion> thom: hm?
[08:49] <thom> they appear to be ignoring DEB{FULLNAME,EMAIL}
[08:49] <Kamion> oh you mean /usr/bin/bts
[08:50] <thom> yes
[08:50] <Kamion> it does honour DEBEMAIL
[08:50] <Kamion> er, and apparently DEBFULLNAME too ...
[08:50] <Kamion> strange, should work
[08:50] <thom> ber, wonder why it sent from thom@localhost.localdomain then
[08:50] <thom> oh well
[08:54] <Riddell> are the buildd's running?  my gwenview package hasn't compiled in several hours
[08:54] <mdz> Kamion: what do you want to do about getting the proper language pack installed initially?
[08:55] <mdz> Riddell: was it accepted?
[08:56] <Riddell> yep gwenview_1.1.8-1ubuntu3_source.changes ACCEPTED
[08:57] <elmo> have you checked for build logs?
[08:57] <Kamion> mdz: I'll just hack it in base-config, but nobody answered me when I asked earlier what packages I was supposed to install
[08:57] <mdz> Riddell: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gwenview/1.1.8-1ubuntu2/
[08:57] <elmo> generally speaking the buildds are always running, the downtime over the weekend was exceptional
[08:57] <mdz> failed on all architectures
[08:58] <mdz> silly me, I assumed he meant that no builds had been _attempted_ :-P
[08:58] <elmo> so your first thing to do when asking "where's my package" is to check the build logs and/or state
[08:58] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[08:58] <mdz> Riddell: that and other gems are on http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/DeveloperResources
[08:58] <Riddell> mdz: it was ubuntu3 I was asking about, not ubuntu2
[08:59] <mdz> Riddell: what's the date on the ACCEPTED email?
[08:59] <Riddell> mdz: ue, 18 Jan 2005 16:40:03 +0000
[08:59] <Riddell> mdz: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:40:03 +0000
[09:01] <elmo> meh, crap cron.daily broke due to germinate
[09:01] <elmo> fixed
[09:01] <Riddell> germinate?
[09:01] <Kamion> elmo: oops
[09:02] <Kamion> Riddell: have you heard of "seeds"?
[09:02] <Kamion> like the base seed and the desktop seed
[09:03] <Riddell> Kamion: yes
[09:03] <mdz> Riddell: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/SeedManagement
[09:03] <Kamion> Riddell: ok, germinate is the program that expands the list of seeds (which is in fairly minimal form, basically "these are the packages we're interested in") and expands out their dependencies so that they can be fed to things like the archive management scripts and the CD-building scripts
[09:04] <sivang> could everybody who are Ubuntu Members add theirselves here : https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuMembers
[09:04] <sivang> ?
[09:05] <Riddell> Kamion: I see
[09:09] <mdz> sivang: they should all be in the community council transcripts
[09:09] <Kamion> probably not all the Canonical staff though
[09:10] <Kamion> they should probably either be in order of joining or in alphabetical order
[09:10] <Kamion> (by surname, I'd recommend)
[09:10] <sivang> mdz,Kamion : note take, however I think it would me more efficient to let people add themselves?
[09:11] <Riddell> why should a description synopsis not start with a capital letter darnit
[09:11] <sivang> Riddell: hehe
[09:12] <mdz> Riddell: lintian -i
[09:13] <Kamion> Riddell: that's a recent stupidity in lintian
[09:13] <sivang> mdz: I will add people whom I find approved int he CC transcripts though as a starting ground.
[09:14] <Kamion> Riddell: it's been dropped in Subversion trunk of lintian
[09:14] <Riddell> Kamion: I'm pleased to hear it :)
[09:14] <Riddell> I hope the silly desktop-file-in-wrong-dir test gets fixed too
[09:14] <Kamion> occasionally lintian gets slightly more overrun by pedantry than it should
[09:14] <Kamion> not familiar with that test
[09:15] <Kamion> I doubt many of the other lintian maintainers are either; it probably needs somebody to go and explain all the issues
[09:16] <Riddell> should I report it as a beastie to debian or ubuntu?
[09:16] <jvw> as a lintian maintainer, yes, that was a fuckup
[09:16] <Riddell> jvw: the desktop one?
[09:16] <jvw> we failed to do enough QA on the upload, due to rushing out the security thingy
[09:16] <jvw> Riddell: amongst others
[09:16] <Kamion> Riddell: see #289773
[09:16] <jvw> the desktop was too strict, the capitilization too
[09:16] <jvw> both have been removed
[09:17] <Riddell> groovy
[09:17] <jvw> I've removed the warnings about hardlinks too for hardlinks within the same dir
[09:17] <jvw> and somebody else removed the waring about starting with an article
[09:17] <jvw> (in the short description)
[09:19] <ogra> Treenaks....you need a wiki page to become a memeber.....(just a reminder)
[09:19] <Treenaks> ogra: I have a wikipage.. it's just that my name is "strange"
[09:19] <Treenaks> ogra: (and it's not completely filled in yet)
[09:19] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuMembers ?
[09:19] <sivang> does anybody know if we have a "make yourself a local ubuntu archive" howto?
[09:20] <Treenaks> ogra: it's linked from DutchTeam
[09:20] <sivang> and the link to it, if I may ask.
[09:20] <ogra> ah
[09:20] <Treenaks> ogra: it's "Martijn"
[09:20] <Treenaks> ogra: not "Martin"
[09:21] <ogra> corrected
[09:22] <Treenaks> ogra: thanks!
[09:25] <Kamion> mdz: ok, all the symlink changes uploaded
[09:25] <mdz> Kamion: doh, just uploaded casper
[09:25] <mdz> I'll remove them in the next one
[09:25] <mdz> thanks
[09:25] <Kamion> as I say it needs an initrd rebuild anyway
[09:26] <Kamion> mdz: hm, do you feel like adding a backdrop title to casper?
[09:26] <Kamion> saying "Ubuntu Live CD" in the top left-hand corner of the screen
[09:26] <Kamion> or just "Ubuntu Live" or whatever
[09:27] <mdz> Kamion: hah, I was just switching back to this window to ask you that
[09:27] <mdz> after reading hoary-changes
[09:27] <mdz> how do I do it?
[09:27] <Kamion> add a template with the text of the backdrop title and 'Type: title'
[09:27] <Kamion> add /lib/main-menu.d/10casper reading:
[09:27] <Kamion> #! /bin/sh
[09:27] <Kamion> . /usr/share/debconf/confmodule
[09:28] <Kamion> db_x_setbacktitle casper/backtitle
[09:28] <Kamion> d'oh, guard that with db_get casper/enable and a check that $RET is true
[09:28] <mdz> do I need to wait for an initrd with the new cdebconf?
[09:29] <mdz> Kamion: also, is there an existing debconf template I can borrow in place of casper-udeb/adduser/username ?
[09:29] <Kamion> no, but you do need an initrd with the new main-menu
[09:29] <mojo_> Unusre of group ettiquite, but can I ask about audio config in Ubuntu here?  My sound works, but I want to re-order my sound cards.  Also, I need to do a post-install to echo a midi string (so my Audigy2 remote will work).  Thanks
[09:31] <Kamion> #! /bin/sh
[09:31] <Kamion> . /usr/share/debconf/confmodule
[09:31] <Kamion> db_get rescue/enable
[09:31] <Kamion> if [ "$RET" = true ] ; then
[09:31] <Kamion>         db_x_setbacktitle rescue/backtitle
[09:31] <Kamion> fi
[09:31] <Kamion> ^-- fixed main-menu.d script for rescue
[09:32] <Kamion> mdz: perhaps you could just depend on initial-passwd-udeb instead?
[09:32] <mdz> Kamion: I assume that expects /target to be mounted
[09:32] <mdz> which isn't true before casper runs
[09:32] <Kamion> that depends on base-installer, but I could tweak that
[09:33] <Kamion> yes, it does
[09:33] <Kamion> when does post.d run?
[09:33] <mdz> after pivot_root
[09:34] <mdz> which is when the adduser stuff currently happens
[09:34] <Kamion> you could just 'dpkg-reconfigure passwd', then, with suitable passthrough magic
[09:34] <mdz> Kamion: initial-passwd-udeb.postinst looks much like casper's X config script did before I did the passthrough stuff
[09:34] <mdz> in fact yours is more evil ;-)
[09:34] <Kamion> hey, I like mine :-) ... but yeah
[09:34] <mdz> I called prerm and postinst too
[09:35] <mdz> Kamion: dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Version}' passwd
[09:35] <Kamion> I was cloning-and-hacking dpkg-reconfigure moderately literally there
[09:35] <Kamion>         $_=`dpkg --status $pkg`;
[09:36] <Kamion> point taken, but I was planning to kill that code
[09:36] <Kamion> mdz: passwd/username is the template in question, anyway
[09:37] <mdz> Kamion: does it have a default?
[09:37] <Kamion> no
[09:37] <mdz> hmm, i can't use that template unless initial-passwd-udeb is there, anyway
[09:37] <mdz> we should find some way to share it though
[09:38] <Kamion> I could split initial-passwd-udeb up, but that seems a bit evil
[09:38] <Kamion> you can't just copy from debconf's templates database, because cdebconf requires UTF-8 templates
[09:38] <mdz> what's the menu order for initial-passwd-udeb?
[09:38] <mdz> if it's after casper, that should work
[09:39] <Kamion> 72, but dependencies override menu-item order
[09:39] <Kamion> if you depend on initial-passwd-udeb it will be configured before you regardless
[09:39] <mdz> ah, darn
[09:40] <Kamion> hey, doesn't this passthrough stuff pass the template data through?
[09:40] <Kamion> so why would you need the template data in cdebconf?
[09:40] <mdz> yes, that's much of the point
[09:40] <mdz> oh, right, the template is in passwd, not in the udeb
[09:40] <Kamion> so you can just 'dpkg-reconfigure passwd' after pivoting
[09:40] <Kamion> yes
[09:41] <mdz> I love it when a plan comes together
[09:41] <Kamion> :-)
[09:41] <mdz> can I let passwd.postinst create the user, too?
[09:41] <elmo> grr, fsh broke
[09:41] <Kamion> mdz: passwd.config already does that
[09:42] <mdz> Kamion: .config creates the user??
[09:42] <Kamion> yep
[09:42] <mdz> my word, it does
[09:42] <Kamion> I try not to look at it too hard
[09:42] <mdz> isn't that evil?
[09:43] <Kamion> mdz: it's probably better than storing the password until .postinst gets round to running
[09:43] <mdz> Kamion: it's no worse than storing it in shadow
[09:43] <Kamion> it's moderately evil, but works :) It does check whether adduser is there first.
[09:43] <mdz> assuming it could store the hash...
[09:43] <mdz> chpasswd certainly allows for that
[09:44] <mdz> hmm, one problem
[09:44] <mdz> I need for the username question to be asked at below-default priority
[09:44] <mdz> while passwd.config will ask it at default-or-above priority
[09:44] <eruin> seb128: your gnome-vfs packages seem to do the trick
[09:44] <Kamion> hm, this sort of calls for the ability to preseed priorities (which doesn't exist, but we've talked about it)
[09:45] <Kamion> mdz: hack: look at debconf/priority, and if it's high or critical then set a default value
[09:45] <Kamion> (you may vomit now)
[09:45] <eruin> seb128: I've only restarted nine times, but so far so good
[09:45] <mdz> Kamion: how about I just db_set it for now
[09:45] <Kamion> that works
[09:45] <mdz> (passwd/username)
[09:46] <seb128> eruin: cool
[09:46] <seb128> eruin: thanks
[09:46] <Kamion> what about the password?
[09:46] <mdz> the "let me specify a custom username" feature can wait
[09:46] <mdz> I don't set one, currently
[09:46] <seb128> eruin: "only" ? :) nine is quite a lot
[09:46] <eruin> seb128: not where I'm coming from ;-)
[09:46] <mdz> dunno what passwd.config would do with that
[09:46] <Kamion> I don't know if you'll need to tweak passwd.config to support that
[09:46] <Kamion> you will
[09:47] <Kamion> it strikes me as a dangerous thing to support in the general case
[09:47] <jdub> goooooood morning freedom lovers!
[09:47] <Kamion> I'd almost be inclined to temporarily set a dummy password and then clear the password field in shadow afterwards
[09:47] <ogra> morning jdub :)
[09:48] <mdz> not an entirely silly idea
[09:48] <elmo> any reason why fsh didn't make the cut for main?
[09:48] <mdz>                                 case "$RET" in
[09:48] <mdz>                                     "Martin Michlmayr")
[09:48] <mdz>                                         userdefault="tbm"
[09:48] <mdz> can I get one of those too? :-P
[09:49] <elmo> I don't recall any objections to it in mataro
[09:49] <mdz> elmo: with pitti's review, it's ok with me
[09:50] <elmo> mdz: with == if?
[09:50] <mdz> elmo: with == with
[09:50] <mdz> or with == "if it passes"
[09:50] <elmo> uh, I'm confused. I mean has there been one
[09:50] <elmo> ok
[09:51] <mdz> I wonder if there's a kernel tunable
[09:51] <elmo> authbind which is suid managed to get in, but, hey, I'll not mention little details like that ;P
[09:51] <mdz> to say "my disk is ridiculously slow"
[09:51] <mdz> "aggressively swap stuff out to make room for cache"
[09:51] <mdz> would be nice for casper
[09:51] <mdz> elmo: "managed to get in"?
[09:52] <elmo>   authbind | 1.1.5.2-0.1 |         hoary | source, amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc
[09:52] <mdz> elmo: am I mistaken in believing that stuff doesn't get in without your making it so?
[09:53] <elmo> mdz: no?
[09:53] <mdz> or is it only that it didn't get a security review?
[09:53] <elmo> yeah, I'm just saying it didn't have a security review
[09:53] <mdz> meaning that I said "yes", rather than "yes, pending review"?
[09:53] <mdz> if so, please retroactively send it to pitti for review
[09:54] <elmo> all of thom's changes went in en-masse.  I asked you about them on irc.. mailed you and jdub, and eventually assumed consent and added them
[09:54] <elmo> ok
[09:54] <jdub> assumed consent
[09:55] <mdz> elmo: was it seeded, or a dependency?
[09:55] <elmo> mdz: it was seeded
[09:55] <mdz> elmo: when we reviewed these in Mataro, we specified which ones needed review
[09:55] <mdz> they should be in thom's or whoever's notes
[09:57] <mdz> thom: ?
[09:57] <mdz> elmo: date or subject of the mail?
[09:57] <elmo> I'm not quite sure why I'm meant to be gatekeeper to the seeds like this?  they are commited to a public tla repo and it's not as if I didn't ask you
[09:58] <mdz> elmo: I believe you that you asked, but I wanted to dig up the list for reference
[09:59] <thom> if i had "needs security review" in my notes, that went into the seed as a comment
[10:00] <mdz> the intent was that they got review before being added to the seed
[10:00] <elmo> mdz: people.ubuntu.com/~james/to_sync.txt is the URL I sent you
[10:00] <elmo> still looking for the mail
[10:00] <mdz> that's sufficient, thanks
[10:01] <mdz> lintian wasn't already there?  I could have sworn
[10:01] <elmo> I gues the mail would have been the same date as that file ~7 Jan
[10:01] <thom> no, we only had linda seeded due to the whole being python thing
[10:01] <Kamion> mdz: Christian Perrier seems to be the one determined to hand those out ;)
[10:02] <mdz> thom: I thought we gave up and did both because they were complementary
[10:02] <mdz> Kamion: hand what out?
[10:02] <Kamion> mdz: userdefault, above
[10:03] <thom> mdz: yeah, at mataro
[10:04] <mdz> ah
[10:07] <Mithrandir> did we decide on what ipsec implementation to go with?
[10:07] <Kamion> (mostly) gone for the evening, night all
[10:10] <mdz> Kamion: db_set seems to set the value, but the question is still asked
[10:10] <mdz> Kamion: joeyh mentioned something about the seen flag being ignored
[10:10] <mdz> Kamion: how does preseed make this work?
[10:11] <mdz> doh, missed him
[10:16] <fabbione> mdz: is it powernowd that loads all the cpu freq scaling modules?
[10:16] <thom> yes
[10:16] <fabbione> thom: you maintain it, right?
[10:16] <thom> yeah
[10:17] <jdub> thom: (start backing away now.)
[10:17] <fabbione> you win 5103
[10:17] <jdub> this is one of those question... question... BULLET IN HEAD things
[10:17] <fabbione> daniels: ah now i remember... 5117
[10:18] <jdub> oh man, people are talking about xpde on #ubuntu
[10:21] <thom> fabbione: gee, thanks
[10:21] <fabbione> thom: welcome :-)
[10:21] <thom> evince is pretty sweet, btw
[10:21] <fabbione> at least it's easy
[10:25] <jdub> thom: yeah, it's rad
[10:26] <thom> i guess we give up on gpdf for bendy and pin on this
[10:26] <thom> jdub: have you read dcbw's mail? NM is looking a lot saner, suddenly
[10:26] <sivang> thom: gpdf allows for easier and through gnome cups printing, is xpde also?
[10:26] <sivang> (in my experience)
[10:26] <thom> sivang: we're talking about evince
[10:27] <ogra> sivang: xpde is a win XP desktop clone for linux
[10:27] <ogra> (the try of a clone though)
[10:27] <sivang> oops, I was referring to the differences between xpdf and gpdf.
[10:27] <jdub> thom: i got the colina followup ;)
[10:27] <thom> sivang: yeah, that's evince
[10:27] <thom> jdub: heh
[10:28] <thom> jdub: and the original? :P
[10:28] <sivang> thom: do we have a package for xpde?
[10:28] <jdub> thom: lwresd and nss_lwres sound good
[10:29] <jdub> thom: we should get them into universe :)
[10:29] <thom> sivang: dude, i have no idea. like i said, i was talking about evince
[10:29] <ogra> sivang: do you want to package it *g*
[10:29] <sivang> thom: ah ok, sorry....ergh I read too much gtk internal code today..maybe time for a break :)
[10:30] <thom> jdub: yes
[10:30] <sivang> ogra: could be, yeah, my cousing would double his ubuntu systems in NYC if I get him a decent Xp desktop clone, he has already started moving some quite number of mahcines to ubuntu, and he was an MSDN subscriber..:)
[10:31] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: ping?
[10:31] <jdub> thom: replied
[10:32] <jdub> thom: congratulating colin for his sex change, too
[10:32] <thom> jdub: cool cool, i was leaving it till morning; i've been exhausted for no good reason today
[10:33] <jdub> 08:21 < gjc> this is interesting, my xserver is keeping the state of capslock
[10:33] <elmo> god mysqldump has such fucked-in-the-head option parsing
[10:33] <jdub>              bound to the application currently with focus
[10:33] <jdub> 08:22 < gjc> so if I turn capslock on then give focus to another window, it
[10:33] <jdub>              turns itself off
[10:33] <jdub> it's very cool
[10:33] <jdub> 
[10:33] <jdub> but i don't think most users would like it
[10:33] <jdub> i'm reproducing that in hoary atm
[10:33] <thom> capslock is crack
[10:33] <sivang> evince looks nice, I wonder if it's better then gpdf, it has more top menu items that's for sure.
[10:34] <jdub> it is already better than gpdf in terms of pdf support
[10:34] <elmo> ogra: ?
[10:34] <ogra> yup
[10:35] <ogra> still errors ?
[10:35] <elmo> ogra: mind some more comments on gcursor?
[10:35] <ogra> go on :)
[10:35] <elmo>  Description: the program gcursor is a cursor theme managing software
[10:35] <elmo>   a little gtk program to change youre Xcursor with anitmated preview.
[10:35] <elmo> animated and your
[10:35] <ogra> ah, i see
[10:36] <ogra> article....
[10:36] <elmo> and the first line should be something more like "a cursor theme managing software", without the leading preamble
[10:36] <sivang> jdub: has the emacs nifty incremental seach also, cooool
[10:36] <elmo> second of all, you need to use lintian 
[10:36] <ogra> i use debuild-pbuilder
[10:37] <ogra> dpkg-buildpackage: source only upload (original source is included)
[10:37] <ogra> Now running lintian...
[10:37] <ogra> Finished running lintian.
[10:37] <ogra> Now signing changes and any dsc files...
[10:37] <ogra> seemed to go fine
[10:37] <jvw> elmo: if you're talking about the ^the... vorlon kicked that test out
[10:37] <elmo> ogra: third, sorry, I wasn't clear, the GPL is a special case, you don't include the full thing in the copyright file because it's already in base-files, so you put a pointer to it in the copyright file, see any GPL package (e.g. dpkg) for an example
[10:38] <elmo> jvw: I think "the program gcursor is" is redudant personally
[10:38] <elmo> ogra: do you have lintian installed?  'cos it certainly comes up with a lot of output
[10:38] <ogra> ah, ok .... i already found the redundancy a bit bad....
[10:39] <ogra> elmo: sure i have.... pbuilder ran it
[10:39] <elmo> well something's broken then
[10:39] <elmo> I mean see for yourself, run 'lintian gcursor*.deb'
[10:40] <ogra> i just ran it on the dsc
[10:40] <elmo> nah, you need to run it on the .changes or .deb
[10:40] <elmo> jvw: is that lintian bug fixed in debian btw?
[10:40] <elmo> the desktop one
[10:40] <elmo> 'cos if it is, we should probably sync it
[10:41] <ogra> nope, nothing on .changes .... i'll build a deb, wait a sec
[10:41] <jvw> elmo: only in trunk
[10:41] <jvw> elmo: this time, I *do* plan to do some QA before uploading :)
[10:41] <elmo> ogra: dude, you did build a deb and test this before uploading, right? :p
[10:41] <jvw> (the security issue over-rushed the upload)
[10:42] <ogra> elmo: argh, sorry i did build several debs of it ....but before the changes...sorry
[10:42] <ogra> ok...now i got all the errors...gah, dumb me
[10:43] <elmo> jvw: ok, no prob, just checking
[10:43] <jvw> elmo: the three most obnoxious checks introduced have been backed out in trunk
[10:43] <jvw> are at least, made less easy to be triggered
[10:45] <elmo> ogra: oh, one last thing, please document what you actually change in the changelog
[10:45] <elmo> I think that was it
[10:46] <sivang> mdz: do you think simple-cdd is something good to use as a installer cd customization for ubuntu's d-i? can I use it completely unchanged in ubunut?
[10:46] <ogra> ok, i'll upload a new one in 10 mins....lets see then .... thanks for the effort :)
[10:51] <mdz> sivang: I don't know what simple-cdd is, so I cannot answer that
[10:52] <sivang> mdz: it's a custom debian distribution subproject I think, that allows you with some very few instruction and modifications to create a custome preseeded installer cd.
[10:52] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: yes?
[10:52] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: see #debian-amd64 :-)
[10:55] <mxpxpod> this may be a really dumb question, but is beagle going to be included on hoary?
[10:55] <mxpxpod> s/on/in/
[10:57] <thom> mxpxpod: not too likely at this point
[10:57] <mxpxpod> thom: ok
[10:57] <mxpxpod> thom: is there any way to get it working on hoary? or do you have to install loads of cvs stuff?
[10:58] <thom> it's pretty easy actually, the nastiest bit is gmime
[10:58] <mxpxpod> thom: is there a guide somewhere?
[10:58] <lamont> thom: out of curiosity - would you rather I had uploaded the fix for laptop-detect?
[10:59] <sladen> mjg59: a thought, is vberestore 0x4f04 being called before PMinitialize to initialize the VideoBIOS state.
[10:59] <kent> since no one could answere in #ubuntu, I'l try here. I saw the article from Davyd about gnome 2.10. It looked like the Hoary menu-design would be in Gnome 2.10, is that true? that would be very cool.
[10:59] <thom> lamont: oh,eh. totally forgot
[10:59] <lamont> thom: wasn't particularly meaning to prod you - was more curious in the general case
[10:59] <sladen> mjg59: eg, when coming out S3, or on boot without vesafb loaded
[11:00] <thom> lamont: i'm a bit concerned that it only just broke, what changed?
[11:00] <jdub> kent: yes
[11:00] <sladen> mjg59: it won't have been called by that time since the the Vesa Address grepping is done in 16-bit code
[11:01] <thom> ah
[11:02] <thom> lamont: ahr, guess you're seeing this on ia64?
[11:03] <lamont> thom: uh, actually hppa. 
[11:03] <lamont> and ppc, and ...
[11:04] <thom> well, ppc survived all of ppc
[11:05] <thom> all of warty, i mean
[11:06] <mxpxpod> thom: how do I get thte dbus bindings for mono?
[11:07] <mxpxpod> or the mono bindings for dbus :)
[11:08] <lamont> thom: yeah, well. :-)
[11:08] <lamont> I finally got observant.
[11:08] <sjoerd> mxpxpod: libdbus-cil is in hoary's universe afaik
[11:09] <mxpxpod> sjoerd: for ppc?
[11:09] <sjoerd> dunno, should be
[11:10] <thom> it probably needs to be given back
[11:11] <jdub> you get bzip in, and people ask for 7zip
[11:11] <jdub> daniels needs to fix libdbus-cil though
[11:13] <mxpxpod> jdub: thanks
[11:19] <lamont> mvo around?
[11:19] <lamont> nm
[11:23] <ogra> elmo ?
[11:23] <elmo> ogra: yeah, I just rejected the old 3 from NEW, you can reupload it if you like
[11:24] <ogra> elmo ah great....i was fearing i had to raise the version number and was wondering why :)
[11:24] <ogra> so next turn then....
[11:26] <elmo> ogra: 'animated' still in the long description.. trivial tho, not worth an upload just for that
[11:27] <elmo> other than that it looks good
[11:28] <Nafallo> ubuntu-bugzilla is here to stay or could we expect a replacement? :-P
[11:28] <ogra> wow, finally.....fixing broken universe pkgs is quite easier
[11:28] <elmo> Nafallo: there's working being done on a replacement bug tracking system
[11:29] <elmo> gar sf mail archives are satanic
[11:29] <elmo> do thhey have a "download an mbox" type facility, does anyone know?
[11:30] <Nafallo> elmo: good :-). it's a bit awkward to sign bugs against UNKNOWN when you know EXACTLY what package that need the change ;-).
[11:31] <ogra> Nafallo: preview: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[11:32] <kent> ogra, so ubuntu is not going to use bugzille later on?
[11:33] <thom> jdub: did you cc me on your response, or just to the list?
[11:33] <ogra> i dont think so
[11:33] <jdub> just the list
[11:33] <sivang> kent: take a look at malone launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[11:34] <Nafallo> ogra: I think I'm in love :-).
[11:34] <ogra> heh
[11:34] <ogra> Nafallo: take a look at rosetta too....its quite cool
[11:35] <Nafallo> ogra: going :-)
[11:37] <sivang> Nafallo: with Ubuntu?
[11:37] <Nafallo> sivang: malone + rosetta :-)
[11:38] <Nafallo> sivang: ubuntu on the other hand, I'm not sure about. drains my batterylife at 200% compared to deb :-P.
[11:38] <Nafallo> if not more...
[11:39] <sivang> Nafallo: this is being worked on, should be no problem at future IIRC.
[11:39] <Nafallo> sivang: yepp, and til sarge is released this is the choice for amd64 :-).
[11:40] <ogra> Nafallo: youre on amd64 ?
[11:41] <Nafallo> ogra: yepp. 1.6GHz, 1024MB RAM and still lappy ;-).
[11:41] <sivang> Nafallo: rosetta and malone are way cool, yes.
[11:41] <Nafallo> sivang: they might be a reason to follow Ubuntu even longer :-).
[11:41] <ogra> Nafallo: 2.0 512MB lappie too ..... (and i wont give it away anymore)
[11:42] <Nafallo> sivang: I COULD run fluxbox without security updates I guess ;-).
[11:42] <Nafallo> ogra: no, why would you want to do that? :-)
[11:42] <ogra> heh
[11:43] <thom> Nafallo: 200% comparing with the same software load and the same workload
[11:44] <sivang> Nafallo: you can, but well, you'd miss the good love of gnome :-) ah well, I guess it's lighter and drains less cpu cycles thus less battery :)
[11:44] <ogra> elmo....looking at the build logs....is it true that all dependencys are installed and removed for every single build ?
[11:45] <thom> ogra: that's the idea, yes
[11:45] <Nafallo> thom: I try not to run unsupported things, but then again, I COULD ditch ubuntu-desktop if I wanted to ;-).
[11:46] <ogra> why that ? that slows down the process a lot i imagine.....
[11:47] <thom> Nafallo: that really wasn't what i asked
[11:48] <thom> Nafallo: are you comparing like for like?
[11:48] <Nafallo> thom: then, the simple answer would be no.
[11:49] <elmo> ogra: to ensure things are only compiled with what they asked for
[11:50] <ogra> but wouldnt it be faster to leave everything in place and just update missing bits and pieces ?
[11:50] <elmo> yes, but buildds aren't short of time
[11:50] <sivang> elmo: hmm, that can point some really nasty missing dependecies which would never appear on a regular preinstalled build system. This is also the case for debian?
[11:50] <ogra> ah, ok....
[11:50] <sivang> ogra: or be elusive of the update bits scrips IMHO
[11:51] <sivang> :)
[11:51] <elmo> the expensive things for buildds is the human time needed to fix build failures, not the time needed for successful builds 
[11:51] <sivang> elmo: two of them are POWER machines right?
[11:51] <Nafallo> thom: ubuntu will however grew and universe could be more or less community supported. that's the plan right? to, at some time, pull in security support for universe?
[11:51] <jdub> yeah
[11:51] <elmo> sivang: debian doesn't do source only uploads, so one architecture is usually built in a messy environment, but basically yeah
[11:51] <jdub> either moving stuff to main, or doing community security for universe
[11:52] <jdub> s/either/both/
[11:52] <elmo> sivang: hmm?  there's 3 buildds of each architecture (i386, amd64, powerpc, ia64), the powerpc ones are Apple G5's
[11:52] <Nafallo> jdub: in other words, I should probably stay with ubuntu on lappy instead of moving to etch :-). (rosetta and malone convinced me ;-)).
[11:54] <sivang> Nafallo: ubuntu does so much good in catering for kernel updates, and laptop support already, that you would be better staying with it even without rosetta and malone :) I happen to have enjoyed the fact I don't need to recompile my kernel on the lappie everytime nvidia udpates their driver :) 
[11:56] <Nafallo> sivang: seems easier to contribute here than in debian to :-).
[11:57] <sivang> Nafallo: you wouldn't even imagine how much ...:) my test case is a good example I think.
[11:58] <ogra> Nafallo: wanna become a MOTU ?
[11:59] <Nafallo> ogra: if you explain the last word(s) maybe ;-).
[11:59] <ogra> Master of the universe :)
[11:59] <ogra> ...universe maintainer.....
[12:00] <thom> yes, hence the queen song :-)
[12:00] <Nafallo> ogra: I'll have to learn packaging first I believe? just have to find time to study that :-/.
[12:01] <elmo> queen song?  dude, it's all about He-Man
[12:01] <jdub> I HAVE THE POWER!
[12:01] <ogra> Nafallo: its quite easy to learn, just start with a program you like and package it for yourself for a while :),,,,there are a lot of helper tools that ease the work....
[12:01] <T-Bone> elmo: heh. Can't help it. I'm a Queen fan no matter what. And if you've seen Highlander, it's even worse :^)
[12:02] <Nafallo> ogra: the problem is I want to learn from scratch and have an auto-ditch on helper-tools ;-).
[12:02] <Nafallo> ogre: I've already signed some ITPs for my WLAN-driver in debian though :-).
[12:03] <ogra> Nafallo: hmm, setting up a debian directory in a source tree can become a pain i imagine :)
[12:03] <Kamion> mdz: easy, db_fset <question> seen true
[12:03] <Nafallo> ogra: from what I've seen it's not THAT hard :-).
[12:03] <Kamion> mdz: that's exactly what preseed does
[12:03] <mdz> Kamion: ok, thanks
[12:03] <mdz> I was confused by this:
[12:03] <mdz> Jan 13 16:09:11 <joeyh> that wouldn't happen in d-i since we ignore seen flags
[12:04] <Nafallo> ogra: just need time to read through everything ;-).
[12:04] <ogra> Nafallo: thats what i thought....until i uploaded my first _own_ package today....
[12:04] <Nafallo> ogra: congrats! :-D
[12:04] <Kamion> mdz: well actually it's not quite what preseed does, it calls debconf-set-selections, but same difference
[12:04] <thom> 2.6.10 seems to do less well under load that previous kernels here, anyone else care to corroborate?
[12:04] <ogra> Nafallo: thanks :)
[12:04] <Kamion> mdz: I think joeyh must have been referring to something subtly different, I'm slightly confused by what he meant by that