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wfxsubterrific: i dont use it my nvidia is to slow for it (have play the demo with gentoo)12:00
Lethorionokay, lets drop bluetooth for the moment... easier question... anyone gotten gdesklets running? :)12:00
subterrificwfx: yeah, i had all this stuff working on gentoo fine. having problems with hoary though12:00
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wfxGammaRay: ok it is installed :) so i will see thx! and good night!12:02
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ScooterI am trying to launch a game as sudo from icon, coule someone please help me with proper syntax.. is it $sudo command:password? or something like that? TIA :)12:02
subterrificsudo command12:03
randabisLethorion yep, I got gdesklets going just fine12:03
randabisI fixed doom3 finally too :p12:04
Lethorionrandabis; I get this strange error when trying to install sensors... alot about import etc missing12:04
randabishmm haven't tried sensors12:04
Pluki get attribute errors in gdeslets on most desklets12:05
Pluksome desklets work though12:05
PlukAttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'cpu'12:06
Lethorionhmm12:06
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Lethorionbtw you know what desklets are used in this screendump? http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=32699624941d547bda3f72&m=screen12:07
Scootersudo /usr/local/bin/etf dont work.... I think I need to add a password to it12:07
PlukLethorion, nice! but dont know either12:07
subterrificScooter: no12:07
subterrificScooter: you don't need to run etf as root12:07
LethorionPluk; thats kinda my goal...12:07
subterrificScooter: what are you thinking?12:07
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subterrificjust run etf12:08
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Scooterit wont let me write to some file12:08
Scootercrashes unless root12:08
subterrificwhat file?12:08
ScooterI try chmod +777 to the folder too12:08
LethorionPluk; know any other good page for desklets then the gnomedesktop.org one?12:09
ScooterI am not sure wich file12:09
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Pluki only know that one Lethorion12:09
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LethorionPluk; okay, no worries mate.. I'll find them... there must be more12:10
Plukmust be!12:10
subterrificScooter: how did you install it? cause i installed etf and i've got no problems running it12:10
subterrificas my user12:10
mz2does anybody know if beagle is available as a debian package somewhere?12:10
ScooterI had to install as root12:10
Plukfirst i have to get my desklets running then ill start looking12:10
mz2or is it worth trying even just yet12:10
subterrificScooter: yeah, me too. did you run the installer?12:10
Scootersudo12:10
Scooteryes12:10
subterrificweird12:11
subterrificworked fine for me12:11
ScooterI am going to try to chmod the folder again perhaps I missed something12:11
LethorionPluk; what desklets have you gotten to work btw?12:11
subterrificScooter: you might have messed it up...12:11
Scooter0o12:11
subterrificScooter: try running the installer again12:11
Scooteras user?12:11
PlukLethorion, clock weather and hdtemp12:11
subterrificScooter: no, as root, you have to run it as root12:11
LethorionPluk; okay, then I'll start there12:11
Plukmust be many more that work12:11
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Scooteret screws up too12:11
Scooterok I try :)12:12
Plukbut all the sysinfo things refuse to work12:12
subterrificScooter: reinstall them both then12:12
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senectusI need someone to test something for me...12:12
mAIJKI installed KDE with synaptics now, why is it 3.2 and not the newsest stable 3.3 ?12:12
senectusIt will only take a moment.. con someone help please?12:12
subterrificScooter: and launch et from a console so you can figure out why it fails.12:12
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Plukbrb12:13
mebarananyone able to help with a dependency problem12:13
mebarangnome-applets wont install because gnome-applets is uninstallable12:13
RiddellmAIJK: probably because you are using warty, 3.3.2 is in hoary12:13
mAIJKis hoary stable?12:13
RiddellmAIJK: no, but it's usually usable12:13
mebaranbut gnome-applets-data wont install because gnome-applets is not installabe12:13
mebaranit appears to be a circular dependency12:14
icerogueHow odo oyou create a ksymbolic link to a directory?12:14
senectusI need someone to test something for me... It will only take a moment and just involves visiting a web site..12:14
mebaranand openoffice refuses to open12:14
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[Phaedrus] spit it out senectus12:14
mAIJKRiddell Why cant KDE 3.3 be installer on warty?12:14
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senectusphaedrus thanks.. pm comming12:15
Scooterheh! I chmod +777 -R to the folder again and it works!!!12:15
ScooterI might have forgot to do that last time12:15
RiddellmAIJK: because warty is a stable release, it can't be changed12:15
dudyou should never have the need to use 777 as an octal permission mask12:16
AcidPilsgn8 all12:16
iceroguemAIJK: Just use Fluxbox, its faster anyhow12:16
[Phaedrus] aight12:16
iceroguelol12:16
mAIJKicerogue I have installed fluxbox but i dont understand it :(12:16
icerogueeverything is in the right ckick menu12:16
mAIJKnothing is there :(12:17
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scizzomAIJK: what is wrong with GNOME?12:17
iceroguenothing at all?12:17
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heliolithHey all: can someone tell me what exactly the command is referenced in this Help reference on screenshots?  it says, "You can also use options on the gnome-panel-screenshot command as follows... --window Takes a screenshot of the window blah blah --delay= seconds does blah blah... i can't find the right syntax...12:17
mAIJKscizzo kde software doesn't updates in the menu and so on12:17
mAIJKicerogue no12:17
scizzomAIJK: KDE != GNOME12:18
hacimwillis_: rhythmbox seems to freeze, the gnome cd player plays but no sound happens12:18
imaekI need to burn a CD and I have never done anything with CDs on Ubuntu12:18
mAIJKxterm restart exit thats all there is icerogue12:18
imaekWhat program should I use?12:18
hacimhrm, sound doesn't work :(12:18
Riddellimaek: k3b12:18
imaekok12:18
imaekI am using Gnome, btw.12:18
iceroguewow, that is weird. i am using it right now on my server i am trying to set up12:19
heliolithriddell: is k3b part of ubuntu by default?12:19
mAIJKscizzo If I install k3b cd burner software as an exampel I have to start it with the terminal, that is so enoying12:19
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imaekIt wasn't for me, heliolith.12:19
diemanhey12:19
diemananyone else try the latest amd64 cd?12:19
diemanfor hoary?12:19
heliolithty imaek12:19
scizzomAIJK: add it to the panel then12:19
hacimwhen ubuntu starts it doesn't run dhcp, how do I change that?12:20
heliolithso anyone familiar with the command line for screenshots?12:20
mAIJKicerogue I installed it and the menu is total emtyp. i think i have to "update-menu" or sumthing12:20
scizzomAIJK: create a new running command and such things12:20
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scizzoon the other hand there should be a menu called Ubuntu or KDE menu in the list of applications12:20
mAIJKHow do I add so I can run program as root?12:21
scizzoor something like that12:21
icerogueOk how do i create a symbolic link to a directory (cp -s dosnt work)12:21
scizzomAIJK: just tell it to run with sudo12:21
Riddellicerogue: ln -s mytarget mylinkname12:21
iceroguemAIJK sudo su is how you get to root12:21
heliolithis there a hotkey for bringing up the app and comp menus?12:22
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heliolithicerogue: another gui shortcut for creating symlinks is to click-drag with the middle mouse button!12:23
mAIJKscizzo If i start k3b with the terminal i have to have the terminal open all time, when i close it the program close too...12:23
scizzomAIJK: k3d &12:23
scizzoor whatever the application name is12:23
scizzok3b & even12:24
icerogueim using command line for most of it, i am only running fluxbox for a few grafical things i need to do12:24
skreeticerogue: like spellcheck?12:24
iceroguelike synaptic12:24
iceroguei am talking to you all from anouther system12:24
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Lethorionls12:26
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hacimwhen ubuntu starts networking is not up, if I run dhclient as root it comes up, and then it goes away a few minutes later, it seems I have a dual route and I have to remove the extra one12:28
LethorionPluk; did you install gdesklets-data ?12:29
mAIJKscizzo What did you mean? Should i typ in "k3b &" in the terminal ? :D12:29
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mebaranDoes anyone know how to fix some dependency issues I am having with Gnome panel and Openoffice.org-gtk12:30
Plukyeah i did Lethorion12:30
LethorionPluk; okay... I just installed gdesklets and gdesklets-data after reinstalling ubuntu and now sensors work fine12:31
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Plukhmmm12:31
Plukill look further into it12:31
Lethoriondo so12:31
Plukstrace here i come :D12:31
iceroguestrace?12:32
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Plukstrace - trace system calls and signals12:32
hacimis it me or does gnome suck?12:32
macewanu12:32
Plukits prolly just u12:33
hacimso what is it about me?12:33
macewan;)12:33
Pluk:P12:33
hacimI run the "Network Config" option and it never comes up12:33
Plukbad karma i think12:33
iceroguehacim: it does a litte till you use flux for an extended period12:33
hacimI run openoffice and the splash screen shows up for 10 minutes and then finally opens up12:33
hacimicerogue: flux?12:33
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[Phaedrus] that's openoffice for you12:33
hacim[Phaedrus] : no12:33
macewanhacim: what is your power of pc?12:33
iceroguehacim: fluxbox12:33
Stew2What does the original sources.list look like?12:33
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hacim[Phaedrus] : it should run right away, it does on my other system12:34
hacimmacewan: its an ibm thinkpad x40, 1.2gig cpu I think12:34
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macewanram?12:34
HwolfCan anyone please help me. I've got no gnome panels, I can't install and I can't remove them, apperantly12:34
[Phaedrus] that's strange then...12:34
chuesladen: did you get a chance to take a look at it?  is there anything I can do to help?  about the powernowd?12:34
Scootercannot write to hunkmegs.dat... this is the message I get if I dont run ETF as root :( the12:35
CrazyNormanhi12:35
CrazyNormanI'm running Ubuntu with fluxbox12:35
Scooternice :)12:35
CrazyNormanand is there a way to get the automounter support (which is under gnome), under fluxbox12:35
Scooterfluxbox is very fast 8)12:35
CrazyNormanya12:35
sladenchue: hello.  Remind me, which was your bug number?  (I'm trying to remember names not numbers, but failing!)12:35
CrazyNormanI love it for the tabbing tho12:35
hacim[Phaedrus] : it is... its a fresh install too12:35
ScooterI use XFce12:36
macewan/ listening to Lawrence Lessig Free Culture audio book12:36
hacim[Phaedrus] : sound works with gnome sounds, but when the CD plays nothing happens12:36
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CrazyNormancool12:36
CrazyNormanI have a plenty fast computer (amd64), but I just prefer fluxbox12:36
mAIJKicerogue What should I type in the terminal to get an real menu? (Just now i only have Xterm,Restart, Exit) (The Readme doesn't say anything about this)12:36
CrazyNormanI run gnome-volume-manager on its own12:36
icerogueCrazyNorman: you are crazy man12:36
[Phaedrus] hacim: you sure that the cable is connected between the cd drive and the soundcard?12:36
CrazyNormanand it isn't automounting my usb key12:36
CrazyNormanlo12:36
CrazyNormanlol*12:36
Scooteranyone get the new amd-64 drivers for ATI yet? I think today they get released (acording to some forum post)12:37
CrazyNormannice12:37
Plukthey are indeed out now12:37
CrazyNormanI just played it safe and used nvidia12:37
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ScooterSweet12:37
Plukrunning the new x86 drivers and x.org now12:37
iceroguemAIJK: i dont know, all of my stuff put itself there, have you tryed restarting x?12:37
Scooterhope it works with SMP, and my dual head.12:37
CrazyNormananyone on the auto mounting?12:38
Scooter:( oh Do I need hoary for new drivers?12:38
chuesladen: no problem... the bug number is: 5361 ... https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=536112:38
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CrazyNormanRunning nautilus and gnome-volume-manager still won't do it12:38
hacim[Phaedrus] : its a laptop with a USB cd drive12:38
HwolfCan anyone help me resolve unmet dependencies with gnome-panel?12:38
crimsunHwolf: what sort of issues?12:38
mAIJKicerogue Its an commando, generate menu or sumthing like that12:38
CrazyNormangnome-volume manager is giving me "libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_usb_device_d7d_100_100_-1_072912110034_0"12:38
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CrazyNormanwhenever I plug my drive in12:39
macewandon't plug it in12:39
iceroguemAIJK: carzynorman might know12:39
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CrazyNormanmAIJK: What iz the problem?12:39
Hwolfcrimsun. I've got no panels now. gnome-applets-data refuses to be installed, configured or removed12:39
mAIJKI can't get an menu in fluxbox!12:40
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CrazyNormanmAIJ: Are you running a gnome flux combo?12:40
CrazyNormanmAIJK: And what happens when you right click?  Just nothing?12:40
Hwolfdpkg: error processing gnome-applets-data (--configure):12:40
Hwolf subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 13912:40
HwolfErrors were encountered while processing:12:40
Hwolf gnome-applets-data12:40
crimsunHwolf: are you running Hoary?12:40
Hwolfcrimsun, just upgraded12:40
mAIJKCrazyNorman I get an menu with : xterm, Restart, Exit12:40
crimsunHwolf: did you dist-upgrade or did you upgrade?12:40
[Phaedrus] hacim: is it even possible to listen to audio cds with a usb cd drive without connecting the audio cable?12:40
Hwolfcrimsun, dist-upgrade, but it crashed a few times12:41
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hacim[Phaedrus] : even playing things in rhythmbox doesn't work12:41
crimsun[Phaedrus] : absolutely.12:41
CrazyNormanok12:41
crimsun[Phaedrus] : that is precisely how I listen to audio cds.12:41
CrazyNormanmAIJK: Run xterm, then "fluxconf"12:41
mAIJKok12:41
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hacimit seems like gnome gets "stuck" -- I launch the network config and nothing happens.... then like 5 minutes later it pops up12:41
[Phaedrus] that's quite interesting...12:41
mchasardhi12:41
[Phaedrus] crimsun: maybe you can help hacim then12:41
hacim[Phaedrus] : its annoying12:41
crimsunHwolf: `sudo aptitude dist-upgrade' chokes?12:41
CrazyNormanmAIJK: what does it say for "menu file"12:42
mchasardshould i choose gnoppix warty or ubuntu warty ?12:42
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esherdoes gnome have an simple editor like kwrite ?12:42
mchasardis it the same  ?12:42
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CrazyNormangedit12:42
eshertnx12:42
HrdwrBoBesher: gnome has one editor12:42
hacim[Phaedrus] : and the load on the machine is not a problem, its obviously something goofed with gnome12:42
mAIJKCrazyNorman: /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu12:42
CrazyNormanits not quite as good as kate for programming imo12:42
CrazyNormanmAIJK: hmm, same here12:42
ollieanyone know what ubuntu's schedule is for pulling stuff from debian?  I'm wondering if the recently released alsa-1.0.8 has a chance of making it into hoary.12:43
CrazyNormanmAIJK: In xterm, "nano /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu"12:43
crimsunhacim: what are your issues with audio cds and usb sound card?12:43
[Phaedrus] i dont have the slightest clue hacim. I'd check if the audio drivers are installed properly and perhaps reboot12:43
HrdwrBoBollie: hoary is version frozen12:43
fealuinWhen I tried the live-cd, works in minimun video resolution, but now I install ubuntu 4.10 don't start X. Motherboard is pc-chips and video chip is intel845 VGA. What should I do???12:43
CrazyNormanmAIJK: If its an empty menu file, I can send you mine12:43
hacimcrimsun: its a laptop, no usb sound card, just a cdrom plugged in12:43
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mchasardplease is there a difference betwenn gnoppix and ubuntu live cd ?12:43
crimsunollie: it will sync when the devs have time.12:43
Hwolfcrimsun i'm running that now12:43
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crimsunollie: because it's a ubuntu merge, it requires manual adjustment.12:43
hacimcrimsun: any sound outside of the gnome sounds, do not work12:43
ollieHrdwrBoB, bummer. oh, well. thanks12:43
mchasardwhat is preferable to download ?12:43
[Phaedrus] fealuin: what does it say?12:43
mebaranhow do I resolve a circular dependencies12:43
mebaranconcerning the gnome panel12:43
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CrazyNormanmAIJK: wait, I think I know what it is12:44
[Phaedrus] mchasard: yeah, knoppix is knoppix and ubuntu live cd is ubuntu12:44
mebaranand how do I get the templates for the create new file in Gnome to owrk12:44
hacim[Phaedrus] : for example, the networking just finally came up12:44
olliesupposedly, alsa 1.0.8 will provide support for my sound card12:44
crimsunollie: which chipset?12:44
mchasardno knoppix ...i'm talking about gnoppix12:44
crimsunhacim: are these sounds from non-gnome applications set to use some output other than esd?12:44
fealuin[Phaedrus] fealuin: what does it say? <--- says in spanish something like "don't can start X"12:45
mchasardwarty 4.1 dated from when ?12:45
olliecrimsun, it's a Sound Blaster Audigy -- I don't know the chipset (not much of a hardware guy -- just want to listen to tunes ;-))12:45
mindphasrwhat is command to enable root acount again?12:45
hacimcrimsun: I have no idea... I just run rhythmbox and try and play a radio station and it freezes... if I put in an audio CD it automatically plays but no audio happens12:45
Hwolfollie, you're looking for emu10k112:45
AgrajagWhy do you want to enable it?12:45
crimsunollie: that was actually supported way back in 1.0.412:45
ollieHwolf, I believe the Audigy isn't supported by emu10k1 -- or if it is, that it's as of 1.0.812:46
crimsunmindphasr: check out the sudo faq on the wiki, or: sudo -s, and then type `passwd'12:46
crimsunollie: it is supported.12:46
Hwolfollie, I've been running an audigy with emu10k1 for years12:46
mchasardso gnoppix is like ubuntu if i believe the gnoppix page12:46
olliecrimsun, really?  what do I have to do -- my system doesn't detect the card.12:46
hacimsomething is royally messed up with gnome12:47
hacimit fails to launch things without pausing for a few minutes12:47
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crimsunhacim: I haven't run the rhythmbox in Warty in some time; I presume you can get streaming music to play with, say, mpg123?12:47
olliecrimsun, could it be the Audigy LS is different from some other Audigy?12:47
crimsunollie: extremely different.12:47
ollieI guess that's my problem -- sorry, wasn't specific enough12:47
crimsunollie: it's crippled hardware, per creative's usual marketing tactics.12:48
Hwolfcrimsun: `dist-upgrade gives me: Errors were encountered while processing:12:48
Hwolf gnome-applets-data12:48
macewanhacim: what stations?12:48
olliecrippled or not, it's certainly not doing me much good at present12:48
crimsunHwolf: what version is it trying to install? 2.9.4.1-0ubuntu3?12:49
hacimcrimsun: mpg123 seems to work12:49
Hwolfcrimsun: rrors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-panel-data_2.9.4-0ubuntu3_all.deb12:49
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mchasardthe stable version of ubuntu is the warty 4.1 ?12:49
crimsunollie: you need 1.0.6 or newer with the ca0106 driver.12:50
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crimsunollie: but for stable functionality, you need 1.0.7 or newer.12:51
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tato_gcc does not come in the default ubuntu installation right ? or Its my installation screwed ?12:51
crimsunhacim: I know there are problems with streaming in Warty's rhythmbox; have you tried the 0.8.8 backport from http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ ?12:51
crimsuntato_: sudo aptitude install build-essential12:52
olliecrimsun, perhaps a silly question, but is there any way to get ubuntu to auto detect it?12:52
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crimsunmchasard: 4.10, yes. "Warty".12:52
ollieI'm running hoary12:52
crimsunollie: no, because it's not currently enabled for Hoary.12:53
olliecrimsun, ok12:53
mchasardthe iso is named warty released -live i3686 ?12:53
crimsunmchasard: that's the live cd, which differs from the install cd.12:53
mchasardhoary is not booting for me with xorg trouble12:53
Hwolfcrimsun, do you have any idea how I can break my deadlock?12:53
crimsunHwolf: sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-panel-data_2.9.4-0ubuntu3_all.deb12:54
mchasardyes i would like the live cd ...12:54
crimsunHwolf: what error does it give? (paste in #flood if it's more than 3 lines)12:54
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Hwolfcrimsun, #flood12:55
crimsunHwolf: you don't seem to have that file...12:55
mchasardthe live cd has the feature to save configuration on a usb key ?12:55
hacimcrimsun: yeah, I just tried it... same thing :P12:56
Hwolfcrimsun, so how do I get it?12:56
hacimcrimsun: more importantly there is something screwed with gnome12:56
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olliecrimsun, any tips on how to go about getting it working?  will I need to compile a new kernel, etc...?12:57
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CrazyNormanHas anyone gotten usb automounting with anything other than gnome?12:57
HrdwrBoBno12:57
crimsunollie: no, you need to compile a alsa-modules deb12:57
crimsunollie: sudo aptitude install alsa-source build-essential kernel-package linux-headers-$(uname -r); more /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian12:58
jdubCrazyNorman: the thing you need to run is gnome-volume-manager12:58
jdubCrazyNorman: it does the user space policy work12:58
olliecrimsun, thanks a bunch12:58
CrazyNormanjdub: When I plug in my usb key after running gnome-volume-manager, it says "libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_d7d_100_100_-1_07291211003412:59
CrazyNorman"12:59
crimsunhacim: I doubt it's related to the kernel at all. Rhythmbox seems to be the culprit. Have you tried with a newer version of the gnome cd player (e.g., the 'gnome-media' from Hoary)?12:59
crimsunhacim: or have you tried another player, such as totem-xine or beep-media-player?12:59
Hwolfcrimsun I can't install nor remove that file...12:59
CrazyNormanjdub: "Could it be that i'm running xorg?"01:00
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RoadGriffinHelp Anybody01:00
diemanMemory: 32852732k/33554432k available (1826k kernel code, 0k reserved, 1005k data, 184k init)01:00
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hacimcrimsun: I am going to try and upgrade to hoary to see if the problems go away01:00
diemanmmmmmmmmmm01:00
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crimsunHwolf: does the file even exist in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?01:00
diemanTotal of 8 processors activated (31875.07 BogoMIPS).01:00
diemanAMD Opteron(tm) Processor 846 stepping 0a01:00
diemanmmmm01:00
HrdwrBoBooo nice01:01
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HrdwrBoBverynice01:01
Hwolfcrimsun, yes it does01:01
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RoadGriffinHelp Anybody!!!01:01
JConnelldieman, surely you can spare 4 of those for your friend JConnell01:01
JConnell;)01:01
mebarananybody having problems with a gnome-applet dependency?01:01
Hwolfmebaran, here!01:01
crimsunHwolf: and you can't install it using sudo dpkg -i ? That doesn't seem possible. It should at least throw an error other than not being able to find it.01:02
mebaranyeah01:02
mebaranis it circular?01:02
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mebarangnome panel depends on gnome-panel-data01:02
mebaransorry01:02
mebaranI mean01:02
mebarangnome-applet depends on gnome-applet data01:02
Hwolfcrimsun: #flood01:02
mebaranand gnome-applet-data depends on gnome-applet01:03
mebaranand neither will resolve01:03
Hwolfmebaran, same problem here01:03
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nitinare the dev team changing the panels again in hoary?01:04
nitincause the panels right now are messed up01:04
nitinmenus*01:04
crimsunnitin: they seem to work fine for me.01:04
mindphasrCan someone familiar with apache2 tell me how to open up for outside connections?01:04
nitincrimsun, do u have a other menu under applications?01:04
nitinthat contains the same things as whats under Desktop01:04
nitinand Places01:05
crimsunnitin: Places & Desktop, yes.01:05
nitinyea..weird01:05
ironwolfany openoffice wizards about?01:05
crimsunnitin: may be annoying, but it's not fatal.01:05
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regeyaheh...I was bout to ask that sort of question, ironwolf, but I'd suggest asking your question rather than asking if they're about01:06
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mindphasrnm my isp blocks port 8001:06
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ironwolfregeya: I've asked a few times today.  I'm wondering the talent pool online currently.01:07
Riddellironwolf: haggai is here, ask and you may get an answer01:08
ironwolfSo, in the spirit of asking the question.  In openoffice, I'd like to create a 10-up Business card for suitable for sending to kinkos to print and cut.01:08
regeyawell, what's the question, and perhaps now there'll be someone here who knows.  *shrug*01:08
regeyaokay...01:08
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ograRiddell: i think he's gone to bed01:08
ironwolfI currently created 1 of them in Drawing, and exported it to a PDF, and it's pretty.  How do I make that an appropriate 10up01:08
ironwolfriddell: Haggai went to bed.01:09
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ironwolfug, yeah, what ogra said.01:09
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=== regeya will have to check this out since he does such things in scribus :-}
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mebaranmy applets, and my openoffice-gtk-toolbar01:10
mebaranis messed up01:10
ironwolfwhat scribus? another app? *I'm not glued to openoffice*01:10
regeyait's a DP tool01:10
mebaranopenoffice under gtk looked much nicer01:10
regeyaframes-based DP tool01:10
ironwolfregeya: DP?01:10
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regeyadesktop publishing ... DTP I guess01:11
regeyawhoops01:11
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regeyayou should be able to draw frames in, say, Writer, and insert your picture objects into those01:12
regeyathough I wouldn't know where to begin...at this point it may be more trouble to switch to scribus (though that should involve nothing more than importing the card you have)01:13
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benkong2hey all where is the documentroot located in ubuntu the docs say place test.php in /var/www but it is not working for me.01:13
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ironwolfregeya: the goal is a tool I can create 10-up master for fedex/kinkos in a PDF format.  Beyond that I'm tool impartial01:14
mebaranI have never experienced as much dependency hell as I have in Ubuntu01:14
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mebaransuch a nice distro01:14
mebaranbut sometimes bleeding edge has its problems01:14
Agrajagthen don't use hoary01:14
benkong2hey all where is the documentroot for apache2  located in ubuntu the docs say place test.php in /var/www but it is not working for me.01:14
mebarannah01:14
mindphasrmebaran: What problems you having?01:14
regeyahaha01:14
epsasis the wmaker with ubuntu compiled with xinerama?01:14
mebaranI like bleeding edge01:14
mebaranoh01:14
mebaranalways with gnome01:14
fourstiwhen are the fglrx drivers going to be put into the reposotory?01:15
mebaranGnome-applets wont install because it depends on gnome-applets-data01:15
regeyaironwolf: I'd compare Scribus to soemthing like Quark, or (I've never used this, mind) InDesign01:15
HrdwrBoBthey are.01:15
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benkong2they are search synaptic01:15
mebaranbut gnome-applets-data depends on gnome-applets01:15
regeyait's in Universe, IIRC01:15
mebaranso it is circular01:15
mindphasrI have gnome-applets installed fine...01:15
mebaranand dpkg wont install any of it01:15
mebaranyeah01:15
mindphasrin hoary01:15
mebaranthis was after today I did a smart upgrade in Synaptic01:15
icerogueOk why isnt my hostname (Ubuntu Warty)  coming up in my dhcp table(on router)01:15
regeyathe newest version *may* be in Ubuntu Backports, though you shouldn't need those features if you're just importing a PDF...hang on...01:16
regeyaI find that trying to do DTP with a word processor is like trying to repair a car with a spoon, but that's my personal feelings on the matter. :-)  Okay, have a new document now...01:16
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=== ironwolf apt-get install scribus
iceroguewho is that too iron wolf01:17
benkong2could someone tell me where you set the documentroot directive for an apache server in ubuntu01:17
[euphori] can hel me please when im try to connect whitch gnmome-ppp error ppp not enable and im can?t connect. im put im username in dip group???01:17
regeyaw00t01:18
regeyait works01:18
maijkicerogue, How should I do to log in  synaptics when I use fluxbox?01:18
maijkIt want my root pw and i dont have a root pw01:19
ironwolfsorry, to regeya01:19
thenukemaijk: you dont need to have root pw01:19
regeyaironwolf: if you're getting frustrated with trying to do it in OOo, you could use Scribus to import your single card.  Other than that I'd suggest sticking with Draw, set up a page-sized template, and duplicate your original page.  As far as setting up the proper template, I don't know.01:19
thenukemaijk: use sudo :)01:19
iceroguemaijk:if you started with flux you will need to insall it01:19
thenukemaijk: sudo <command> .. or if you need root shell, sudo -H -s01:19
mebaranevolution also if flailing01:19
iceroguemaijk: apt-get install synoptics01:19
mebaranthe contacts part is completely borked01:19
regeyaerm duplicate your original card...dangit01:20
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mebaranwont let me add or delete or import contacts01:20
maijkI have Synaptics installed, use fluxbox. When I click om Synaptics on my fluxbox menu the program says that I should type in my root pw. I dont want to start from xterm!01:20
drspinhey all01:20
mikepHi01:20
HrdwrBoBmikep: are you sure01:21
HrdwrBoBmaijk: are you sure01:21
HrdwrBoBit should ask you for YOUR password01:21
maijkPlease enter your password it says01:21
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regeyaironwolf, you know, you could also export your single Drawing object as an EPS and import them as graphics.  Or you could simply copy-and-paste the thing onto a page. :-)01:22
Agrajagmaijk: so, enter your password01:22
Agrajagit doesn't say root01:22
maijkroot password01:22
maijkIt says01:22
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Agrajagit doesn't say that.01:22
maijkI wrote wrong01:22
regeyaOpenOffice does "OLE" you know.01:22
AgrajagIt shouldn't say root. What does entering your own password do?01:22
[euphori] see you all :)01:22
ironwolfregeya: too many options01:22
ironwolf:)01:22
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mchasardwich livecd do you use  ?01:23
regeyasucks having options ;-)01:23
mebaranWhy is evolution borked?01:23
mebarandoes it rely on gnome-applets01:23
mebaranit wont let me delete a bad address book without crashing01:23
Agrajagmaijk: maybe you need to change that menu entry to run "gksudo synaptic" instead of just "synaptic"01:23
mebaranor add a new contact01:24
mebaranit says it did but it didint01:24
regeyaseriously, select everything on your draw document, do modify->group then copy, and paste onto a wordprocessor page, then repeat 9x.01:24
mebaranI am in XFCE should that effect it?01:24
regeyasimple as pie.01:24
regeyammmm....pie...01:24
mebaranpi01:24
ironwolfregeya: scribus = pulling teeth01:24
Agrajagmmm 3.14159265453201:24
regeyaokay, so I'm confused...weren't totem and sound-juicer gnome apps already?01:24
mebaranhaha Agrajag01:25
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regeyaironwolf: not that bad once you get used to it, but everyone's entitled to their opinions :-D01:25
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icerogueif i set up my server with a static ip would that conflict at all on a dhcp network (if i dont set its ip to something that could get assigned)?01:25
regeyaonce you do that, you should be able to position the things as you wish.01:25
ironwolfregeya: find "import PDF".... I failed... So I'm thinking Drawing with the PDFx1001:25
thenukeicerogue: i bet it would not cause any problems01:26
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regeyaare you talking scribus now, ironwolf?01:26
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ironwolfnah, gave up on scribus for now.  I'm going to try in Drawing OOo01:27
regeyaokay...seriously, if you do something like, say, set up your 10up page in writer, you can simple copy-and-paste.01:27
randabisi found some schweet icons for firefox and thunderbird!01:27
randabishttp://img11.exs.cx/img11/9598/newicons2jm.jpg01:27
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regeyaholy moly, I just caught myself typing backwards.  when I go dyslexic it's only when I'm at the point of exhaustion.01:27
tato_after I compile and install a engine, what do I need to do to use it ?01:27
regeyaso if anything I say here doesn't make sense, my apologies.01:28
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fealuinWhen I tried the live-cd, works in minimun video resolution, but now I install ubuntu 4.10 don't start X. Says "Cant start X server (your graphic interface). Probably is not properly setting up. Do you want to see X server output to diagnose...[truncate] ". Motherboard is pc-chips and video chip is intel845 VGA. What should I do???01:28
icerogueok i feel noobish asking but i forgot what is the command to set up your networking01:29
thenukeicerogue: ifconfig?01:29
mindphasrfealuin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 depending on which X server you have installed01:29
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thenukeicerogue: dont be afraid of asking more ;)01:30
Hwolfcrimsun, thanks01:30
iceroguei thought that there was something else, more of a wizard type thing01:30
fealuinthanks mindphasr... is xfree86 (default instalation)01:30
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ironwolfregeya: thanks for your insight01:34
CrazyNormanI'm running ubuntu AMD64, and every here and there, there is a program without a 64-bit version (usually not open source).  Is there a way to use apt to mix ubuntu 64 and 32, so I can easily install 32 bit versions of libraries I use to lib32?01:35
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randabisdoes anyone know how to change the icons displayed in the window list? Like the one for firefox, I want to change the globe to something else01:36
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Agonyhello everybody01:37
fealuinhow do i quit saving of vi???01:37
AgonyI would like to connect to my ubuntu pc via network (using win2000)01:38
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mebaranhow do you setup up gnome01:38
mebaranto be able to do the create document menu01:38
mebaranit says it does not have any entry01:39
mebaranor template01:39
Agonythe ubuntu-pc is in my networ environment but when i want to access it, it askes to enter username and password but neitehr root nor my username (anaxagoras) funktions01:39
mebaranto do it01:39
Agonyhow can i access the pc ?01:39
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crimsunAgony: check out the wiki, particularly the pages on sharing with win2k01:40
Agonycrimsun, the connection itselves is no problem, but unfortunately my user data soes not match01:41
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iceroguehow do i add a user to a group, like the acct webmaster to what ever group apache is a part of01:41
Agonyi only use one password but it does not work01:41
neighborleedoes livecd by chance have resuce functionality (or if not is it planned?)01:41
dudicerogue, edit /etc/group01:42
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iceroguedud: so do i add webmaster behind www-date or the other way around01:46
^majikhi.  I'd removed my /etc/init.d/apache script earlier, and I can't seem to get it back no matter how many times or ways I reinstall apache (1.3.x).  any ideas?  :o01:47
icerogue^majik:why dont you use apache2?01:48
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^majikicerogue: I was using it before attempting to try out the server-side scripting language called BOA.  it seems the old BOA stuff relies on the old 1.3.x branch01:49
iceroguejust wondering01:49
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^majikyea.  that's why I'd removed the apache script..  I'd installed 'eskuel' (similar to phpMyAdmin.  wanted to try it out) and it relies on 'apache'.. and I even forced an uninstall of apache once eskuel was installed, but didn't want the init script sitting around waiting to be executed..01:51
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^majikand then apt-get / dpkg was complaining at me, saying that eskuel more or less required apache  ;/01:51
iceroguethats owhy you rename stuff instead01:51
mebaranMy Evolution is broken01:52
^majikwell, I didn't think I'd ever be using the apache package -- only version 2.x01:52
mebaranit wont let me delete or add contacts01:52
^majikotherwise I would have  :o01:52
^majikor something01:52
mebaranor delete address books01:52
mebaranI find it rather odd that this happened as soon as gnome-applets broke01:52
iceroguedo you think there would be any problems if i chownded my www folder to my webmaster acct?01:53
mebaranbut I cant find a link01:53
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^majikicerogue: shouldn't be.  just make sure your webmaster account doesn't have super-user privs.01:54
GammaRayhow would I extract a deb in a similar fasion to rpm2cpio?01:54
iceroguenope01:54
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knghtbrdThere's a name I haven't seen in forever.01:54
knghtbrdhey bdale01:54
arc_mmm, now I know why iBooks are unable to suspend using pmud....01:54
GammaRays/fasion/fashion/01:54
^majikicerogue: that's ideally why apache (or any daemon really) doesn't run as root, as it's a security hazard or what have you01:54
^majikicerogue: but yeah, should be okay01:55
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cdn_beavercool01:55
cdn_beavercan someone help with a problem?01:55
icerogueshoot01:55
^majik"don't ask to ask, just ask"  :-)  hehe01:56
icerogueyeah01:56
cdn_beaveri had WinXp Pro installed, and then installed Ubuntu... so how do i get from Ubuntu to WinXP, cause i can't seem to get that choice when booting up01:56
GammaRaycdn_beaver: before bootup press escape to see the menu01:57
GammaRayI don't know if windows is added for you or not01:57
cdn_beaverand it brings me to a choice of Ubuntu bootings01:57
cdn_beaverit gives me 3 seconds to press Escape, i do, and it brings a menu of Ubuntu boots01:58
GammaRaywell then you will have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to add it01:58
icerogueat the bottom it doesnt say windows?01:58
cdn_beaverok01:58
cdn_beaverno, i dont think so01:58
cdn_beaveri'll take a look at the menu.lst01:58
icerogueyay i got my courier webadmin working01:59
robertjcdn: it might just be real quick01:59
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cdn_beaverwell, the boot/grub/menu.lst has no Windows listed02:00
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mchasardplease where is the tool to save configuration on a usb key for a live cd use ?02:01
GammaRaycdn_beaver: you will have to add it..02:01
cdn_beaverdo you know where i can read on how to do this? or do you know?02:01
GammaRayI'm not very good w/ grub yet02:01
mchasardim' under gnoppix warty ...but i don't see any tools for that  ?02:01
GammaRaycdn_beaver: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-30442.html02:02
cdn_beaverthanks02:02
mchasardso for the configuration save for a live cd use ?02:02
randabisdoes anyone know how to change the icons displayed in the window list? Like the one for firefox, I want to change the globe to something else02:02
mchasardwhere can i find this tool ?02:03
robertjis there an gnome blog agregator thats better than sage?02:03
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Ex-CyberI came up with a couple wild theories, but they appear to be dead wrong, so I'm back to square one02:04
danielsEx-Cyber: what sort of card are you using?02:04
Ex-Cyberdaniels: Radeon 850002:04
danielsEx-Cyber: define 'slow'02:05
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cdn_beaverhmmm02:05
GammaRayI must say I really like how dpkg allows you to replace packages w/ the same package instead of just complaining02:06
Ex-Cyberdaniels: redraws are sluggish, dragging an xterm around spikes X's CPU usage to 50-75%02:06
danielssounds like acceleration isn't disabled02:06
Ex-Cyberi.e. if I didn't know any better I'd say someone secretly switched vesa for my Folger's crystals02:06
danielsOption "ShadowFB" in the device section might help a bit02:06
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daniels... you aren't using vesa, are you?02:06
Ex-Cyberno02:06
ZzeCoOlhey guys i need /lib/modules/2.6.10-2-k7/build dir ....i have install the ubuntu precompiled kernel bu i need the build dir to install the new ati drivers02:07
Ex-Cyberit's like this with both ati and fglrx drivers02:07
ZzeCoOldoes anyone knows how i can have the build dir?02:07
danielsZzeCoOl: if you wait a couple of hours, you can have the drivers packaged02:07
Ex-Cyberblah, be back in a bit02:07
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ZzeCoOldaniels  i cant02:07
ZzeCoOlsry02:07
ZzeCoOlhours....ixxx02:07
ZzeCoOldoes anyone know about my problem plz?02:08
BROKEN_LADDERwhere can i get vorbis decoder codecs for linux?02:09
GammaRaya nautilus idea: since it already selects files when you type the first part of their name, why not show hidden files when you type a dot as the first char?02:09
BROKEN_LADDERer..mp302:09
ograZzeCoOl: its more clever to wait for the packages from daniels some hours then spend this hours with fighting with the prob ;)02:09
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Ex-Cyberdaniels: according to the log acceleration is enabled02:11
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tato_could someone help get clearlooks gtk2 theme working please ?, I have a fresh ubuntu installation, downloaded the Clearlooks engine and installed it, but I cant see the themes on the Themes Windows, any idea why ?02:11
BROKEN_LADDERi need to install mp3 codecs for linux.  where can i get them?02:11
GammaRayBROKEN_LADDER: try xmms-mad02:11
HwolfDaniels, if I enable ati drivers now, and plug in an nvidia card later, would that cause me a lot of trouble?02:11
BROKEN_LADDERGammaRay: i already have xmms.  it seems to have its own codecs.  but other apps don't play mp3, so i want to install linux codecs.02:12
Hwolfbroken_ladder or gstreamer_mad if you want to use rhytmbox02:12
danielsHwolf: you'll need to remove xorg-driver-fglrx02:12
sri|workokay, does anybody have this problem with gnome, not showing usb disk icon after you unmount it for the first time?02:12
BROKEN_LADDERwhy do you guys keep mentioning specific apps?02:12
sri|workhi daniels :)02:12
BROKEN_LADDERi just want generic linux codecs.02:12
sri|worklinux has codecs?02:12
BROKEN_LADDERhow can it not?02:12
danielssri|work: yo02:12
sri|workgoddam, there's more bloat in that kernel than I thought!02:12
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Hwolfbroken_ladder, there are no generic codecs. Some apps use this, some that.02:12
BROKEN_LADDERif the os doesn't have codecs, then every app would have to have its own. that would be ridiculous.02:13
GammaRaycodec just stands for encoder/decoder02:13
BROKEN_LADDERexactly02:13
HwolfBroken_ladder, that's exactly how it is, even under windows.02:13
BROKEN_LADDERbut if an app tries to play some sound and the linux api doesn't have codecs, it can't play that file.02:13
sri|workanyways, nobody seeing this in hoary?02:13
GammaRayBROKEN_LADDER: most apps use plugins as interfaces to libs like libmad02:13
sri|workI think cvs gnome has this problem as well.02:13
BROKEN_LADDERnot in beos.02:14
danielslinux-restricted-modules 2.6.10.2-1 (yes, with new fglrx) uploaded02:14
BROKEN_LADDERi didn't know linux was that far behind.02:14
hacimso I upgraded to hoary, and now X doesn't start02:14
HwolfI upgraded to hoary, and now the tabs in my panel are tiny, how do I fix that?02:14
GammaRayBROKEN_LADDER: for totem you have to install the mad gstreamer plugin02:14
GammaRayfar behind? or diverse?02:15
BROKEN_LADDERfar behind.02:15
BROKEN_LADDERapps shouldn't need to know about the media they decode.02:15
Hwolfbroken_ladder, it's not. windows media player uses a library of wma codecs, even for generic mp3. Realplayer uses it's own library of real codecs02:15
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Ex-CyberBROKEN_LADDER: how it works is that the codec is a shared library (.so in Linux, .dll in Windows) ... it is not a component of "Linux" or "Windows", it is its own piece of software that player apps link into02:15
BROKEN_LADDERwindows?!02:15
BROKEN_LADDERlol02:15
cdn_beaverhow do you change the grub to allow Windows boot?02:16
icerogueare any of you familiar with courier?02:16
BROKEN_LADDEREx-Cyber:  that's terribly poor design.02:16
hacimso I upgraded to hoary, and now X doesn't start... any pointers?02:16
Hwolfbroken_ladder: the beauty of open source. You can fix it. :-)02:16
Ex-CyberBROKEN_LADDER: what do you suggest as the alternative?02:16
BROKEN_LADDERbeos02:16
jdubBROKEN_LADDER: ah, dude, it works the same way.02:16
BROKEN_LADDERin beos you just installed system codecs so any app could be agnostic to what it was opening.02:16
HrdwrBoBBROKEN_LADDER: it is02:17
HrdwrBoBsee gstreamer02:17
BROKEN_LADDERwhat i'm hearing here is that different apps in linux need their own codecs.02:17
BROKEN_LADDERgstreamer isn't part of the linux kernel.02:17
jdubBROKEN_LADDER: 'system codecs' in beos are the same thing as 'gstreamer plugins', but be could very strongly define their media and plugin APIs02:17
jdubnor should it be02:17
jdubbut in ubuntu, we do consider it to be the system api for media02:17
HrdwrBoBBROKEN_LADDER: you want the linux kernel to have video codecs?02:17
BROKEN_LADDERthen that's a poor analogy to make.02:17
knghtbrdaww, too bad the pictures didn't come out well--that was horrifying.  We were looking for dinner last night and stumbled across a STRETCH HUMMER.  40' long.  Idling, of course.02:17
Ex-CyberBROKEN_LADDER: no, different apps can use the same codecs (hence "shared library")02:18
jdubBROKEN_LADDER: i'm not making an analogy02:18
BROKEN_LADDERat least X should.02:18
jdubno it shouldn't02:18
jdubthere should be a defined media api02:18
BROKEN_LADDERyou said they are the same as gstreamer plugins.02:18
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danielsx is not a media api02:18
jdubin ubuntu, the media api is gstreamer02:18
jdubthus, it is the equivalent of be's defined media api02:18
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jdubthe fact that other media apis exist in FOSS land is merelya a bonus02:19
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thenewhelp02:19
GammaRaywould someone give cdn_beaver and example of a basic windows entry in grub?02:19
thenewjejeje02:19
GammaRayI'm very new to grub02:19
knghtbrdI can do that02:19
robertjGstreamer needs a "You do not have the required codec to view this file. Click here to purchase it from codecsalacart.com."02:19
jdubGammaRay: didn't ubuntu configure one for you on install?02:20
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randabis*sigh* not even anyone in #gnome knows how to change it lol02:20
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knghtbrdtitle Windows (gag)02:20
jdubrandabis: what's the problem?02:20
Hwolfdaniels, how do I tell xorg to use the ati driver? The old wiki page doesn't seem to apply02:20
knghtbrdroot (hd0,0)02:20
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GammaRayjdub: gonna have to ask cdn_beaver, don't even have windows here.02:20
knghtbrdchainloader +102:20
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BROKEN_LADDERso getting rhythmbox to open mp3s requires which plugin?02:20
randabisI want to change the icons listed in the ALT+TAB menu/window list02:20
HrdwrBoBBROKEN_LADDER: gstreamer-mad02:21
BROKEN_LADDERno such package..02:21
knghtbrdnote, whether or not you want makeactive depends on how you installed grub02:21
BROKEN_LADDERahh..this time you spelled it with a - not a _02:21
BROKEN_LADDERtrying that02:21
jdubgstreamer0.8-mad02:21
bob2BROKEN_LADDER: er, no package in debian has ever had a _ in it's name02:21
randabissee? know one knows how to do it :p02:22
knghtbrdI put grub on a primary partition and use the standard MBR02:22
danielsHwolf: in a couple of hours, sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx (along with an apt-get upgrade), and change Driver "ati" to Driver "fglrx" in xorg.conf02:22
knghtbrdin that case, you never want makeactive02:22
Hwolfdaniels, it isn't up yet?02:22
jdubBROKEN_LADDER: i think your experience on this channel would be improved if you asked questions and understood things before making pronouncements.02:22
jdubrandabis: you can't.02:22
crimsunHwolf: he said a couple hours. :)02:22
randabisgrr02:22
knghtbrdcdn_beaver, GammaRay that help?02:22
danielsHwolf: i uploaded it, but it will be a while before it gets noticed, built, the build gets noticed, uploaded, and then mirrored02:23
randabisI don't want that dopey looking globe for firefox :(02:23
Hwolfcrimsun, he gave me the impression it was up, sorry02:23
randabisI want THESE :p02:23
randabishttp://img11.exs.cx/img11/9598/newicons2jm.jpg02:23
jdubrandabis: we're working with mozilla to sort it out.02:23
danielswell, it's out of my hands and into the automatic infrastructure02:23
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GammaRaynice background02:23
randabisbut even then, I want a custom icon, not the firefox default eithe02:24
randabisr02:24
HwolfDo any of you know how to get the program tabs in the menu bigger? I can only see one letter of each tab right now. :-S02:24
Hwolfdaniels, are the drivers significantly better?02:24
BROKEN_LADDERjdub: the pronouncements i've made were warrented.02:24
danielsHwolf: i don't know, i don't use them.  but they support xorg, which is a big win, and they're apparently more stable.02:24
BROKEN_LADDERgstreamer is not part a fundamental part of linux.02:24
BROKEN_LADDERthus not all linux programs use it.02:25
Hwolfdaniels, ok, sorry02:25
GammaRaynot a whole lot is (-;02:25
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knghtbrdsomeone SO has Mac envy  ;)02:25
GammaRaythere's the kernel.. and umm maybe the GNU stuff (if you want to count that.. hense GNU/linux)02:25
knghtbrdbut it is a nice background02:26
robertjhehe, I have finder envy ;)02:26
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robertjI'd pay $30 for a finder licence02:26
danielsBROKEN_LADDER: x is not a fundamental part of linux either02:26
jdubBROKEN_LADDER: you're misusing the term "linux".02:26
BROKEN_LADDERno i'm not.02:26
robertjX is a fundamental part of FreeDesktop02:26
danielsrobertj: no it is not02:26
robertj(don't listen to those crazy direcfb people)02:26
BROKEN_LADDERlinux is a kernel, no?02:27
danielsx is as much a part of fd.o as gstreamer is02:27
daniels(they are our two largest, and most popular, hosted projects)02:27
bob2BROKEN_LADDER: are you seriously advocating putting video codecs in the kernel?02:27
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BROKEN_LADDERnot in the kernel, no.02:27
knghtbrdrobertj: you know, you might actually talk the guy who does Path Finder into a GNUStep port..02:27
randabisknightbrd I just like the look :p02:27
mapztaBROKEN_LADDER, Linux isnt a kernel. Linux is a operating system. The Kernel is the "central operating most important thingy" that works inside Linux as the "brain" if you may...02:28
Elk_Bradhello hello hello!02:28
BROKEN_LADDERlinux is not an operating system.02:28
BROKEN_LADDERit is a kernel.02:28
BROKEN_LADDERsee the debian web site.02:28
arc_mapzta: erm...02:28
jdubBROKEN_LADDER: beos-kernel:linux::beos:ubuntu02:28
cdn_beaverhow can i edit my /boot/grub/menu.lst ?02:28
knghtbrdhave a look at Path Finder at the cocoatech website.  It's shiiiny.  (I use it.)02:28
robertjknght: is it an OS X finder clone or OS 902:28
cdn_beaverit doesn't seem to let me02:28
BROKEN_LADDERjdub: indeed.02:28
bob2cdn_beaver: with a text editor02:28
arc_mapzta: linux is the kernel, the operating system is gnu/linux or gnu/mit/x11/bsd/.../linux02:28
BROKEN_LADDERjdub: that's precisely what i was just pointing out.02:28
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bob2cdn_beaver: but it should already have an entry for windows02:28
knghtbrdOS X finder replacement02:28
cdn_beaverbob2: it doesnt02:28
HwolfHow is it that I can remove Python 2.3? Is the shift to 2.4 complete?02:29
jdubBROKEN_LADDER: now, when i tell you that gstreamer is the media api for ubuntu, we've solved your issue.02:29
cdn_beaverbob2: and the text editor won't edit it02:29
knghtbrd(not Dock replacement, Dock is very hard to replace on a Mac)02:29
BROKEN_LADDERjdub: wrong02:29
bob2cdn_beaver: yes, it will02:29
GammaRaycdn_beaver: try sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst02:29
bob2BROKEN_LADDER: er, you realise that jdub is the person who makes that decision, right?02:29
cdn_beaverbob2: no no, as in, i try to type in menu.lst in text editor, and nothing happens02:29
BROKEN_LADDERlol02:29
cdn_beaverbob2: any idea why?02:29
jdubthe fact that you can install other media apis in ubuntu is merely a convenience02:29
Elk_Bradls02:29
Elk_Bradnot lst02:29
jdubi use xine, for instance02:30
BROKEN_LADDERi've installed the gstreamer-mad package, yet rhythmbox still will not play mp3.02:30
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bob2BROKEN_LADDER: gstreamer0.8-mad02:30
bob2as the FAQ and wiki say02:30
robertjWow, that does look nice02:30
GammaRayyou might have to restart rhythmbox...02:31
knghtbrdrobertj: KDE has a Mac-like mode, but since it wasn't designed for it, the mode looks silly and doesn't work right02:31
willis__just wondering how often the ubuntu servers rebuild the Packages file (i'm anxious for the new restricted-modules)02:31
robertjknightbrd: really the drag targets on the left + the dock are the things I miss from Finder02:31
bob2willis__: very often, the big lag is having them built and uploaded02:31
robertjalso the toolbar window management02:31
robertjclick glade and all your pallets and property menus should pop to the top02:31
bob2(often = every hour, iirc)02:32
cdn_beaveranyone know why I can't edit /grub/menu.lst in text editor or why changes to it won't save in Pico?02:32
willis__bob2, thanks02:32
knghtbrdrobertj: I'm considering asking the PF guys if they would do a GNUStep thing.  The standard GNUStep file viewer isn't so great really02:32
bob2cdn_beaver: sudo pico /boot/grub/menu.lst02:32
bob2cdn_beaver: run that02:32
GammaRaycdn_beaver: permissions dude...02:32
cdn_beaverokee02:32
cdn_beaverriiiight02:32
cdn_beaveri remember that now02:32
danielswillis__: well, it took me 45min to throw the new tarball up my DSL, then it'll probably take about 5-10 minutes for the buildds to notice and build it, 2m2s/2m10s/3m for the various buildds to build it and then upload it, and then Packages.gz gets regenerated every half hour02:32
danielsand rsynced02:32
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bob2oh, half hour02:33
willis__daniels, oh wow thanks for the details, and thanks for your work02:33
robertja Dock mode for the task list would be nice as well02:33
danielsbob2: yeah dude, days come 48x more rapidly in ubuntu land02:33
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danielswillis__: no worries02:33
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HwolfHm. Removing python 2.3 doesn't work, apperantly02:34
knghtbrdrobertj: he wouldn't do it though because he doesn't want to harm sales of his shareware MacOS X program and anything ported to GNUStep could be easily backported to MacOS X.02:34
cdn_beaverbob2: thanks for the help, hopefully i won't be back asking :P02:34
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knghtbrd(In fact most GNUStep stuff compiles on a mac without significant modification)02:34
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phuzzyhi, i'm new to ubuntu and i'm hoping someone can help me02:34
Elk_Bradjoin the club phuzzy02:34
phuzzyhaha i used to use Redhat WAY back in the day02:35
phuzzyi think the first distribution i had was redhat 5.002:35
phuzzybut i'm stumped02:35
Elk_Bradprepare for a rude awakening...its way different02:35
robertjknght: it wouldn't be that hard to add the good features to finder02:35
phuzzynever used debian before02:35
HwolfIn hoary, can I safely remove fam?02:35
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BROKEN_LADDERhere's a bizarre problem; whenever i start up, my arrow keys are read as xf86_audionext,prev, etc. until i make some change, any change, in keyboard settings.02:36
willis__Elk_Brad, it's far from a rude awakening : ), it's quite pleasent02:36
Elk_Bradso what exactly is the issue? most people here seem to be pretty good at ansering02:36
BROKEN_LADDERit so happens that i have mod4-arrowX set up as my audio-prev and audio-next signals.02:36
Elk_Bradwillis__: as in difference02:36
knghtbrdAnd um, Linux people don't pay for software.  Not a point worth debating, but it would mean that any such thing needs to be free software if it is to be successful.02:36
BROKEN_LADDERlinux people should consider paying for some software.02:36
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phuzzywell, here's my problem... i'm trying to play my MP3s right... and being a good little windows refugee, i mistankenly left the other partitions on my drive as NTFS02:37
BROKEN_LADDERphuzzy: compile in ntfs read support.02:37
HrdwrBoBphuzzy: you can mount ntfs read only fairly easily02:37
bob2BROKEN_LADDER: no02:37
bob2please don't give useless advice to people02:37
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Hwolfbroken_ladder, in ubuntu, ntfs support is compiled in.02:37
phuzzyhow do i compile NTFS write support?02:37
BROKEN_LADDERbob2: well if he'd like to read data from an ntfs partition, that would be helpfeul.02:37
froustCan anyone tell me how I can find out which version of xorg I am using?02:37
knghtbrdBROKEN_LADDER: that's not much of an option02:37
bob2phuzzy: you can mount it like this: 'sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/blah /mnt/'02:37
BROKEN_LADDERHwolf: it depends what kernel he's using.02:38
bob2BROKEN_LADDER: except that ALL ubuntu kernels include it02:38
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Hwolfbob2: amen02:38
bob2froust: dpkg -l xserver-xorg02:38
knghtbrdphuzzy: you don't.  "write support" is so limited right now you can't use it02:38
BROKEN_LADDERif you're assuming he's using a kernel that he didn't compile himself.02:38
HrdwrBoBBROKEN_LADDER: it's a very safe assumption02:38
bob2BROKEN_LADDER: given that he/she is asking for help with 'mount', that seems fair02:38
HrdwrBoBBROKEN_LADDER: there is next to no reason to use a kernel you compiled yourself02:38
BROKEN_LADDERif he didn't need to compile in ntfs support, then it shouldn't be a problem.02:38
BROKEN_LADDERHrdwrBoB: that's laughable.02:39
phuzzyi can mount the file system just fine -- in read only02:39
HrdwrBoBno. it's not.02:39
bob2phuzzy: right02:39
BROKEN_LADDERoh jesus.02:39
HrdwrBoBBROKEN_LADDER: why would I need to compile my own kernel?02:39
froustbob2: it says this when i do that "Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed02:39
froust|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)02:39
froust"02:39
Hwolfbroken_ladder, virtually nobody here compiles a kernel. It's not debian, nor  gentoo02:39
bob2phuzzy: write support doesn't work under linux, since MS doesn't document NTFS well enough02:39
BROKEN_LADDERsay a want a kernel that has what i need for my system, and doesn't have things i don't need.02:39
duddont make a bloody fool out of yourself BROKEN_LADDER02:39
bob2froust: yes, I know, read the last line02:39
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froustokay... the error message is expected then?02:39
bob2phuzzy: you can use 'captive ntfs' which loads the windows driver into the linux kernel02:39
bob2froust: er, it's not an error02:39
HrdwrBoBBROKEN_LADDER: they are called modules, everything that can be a module is a module02:39
Hwolfbroken_ladder, you use gentoo02:39
BROKEN_LADDERi know what a module is.02:39
HrdwrBoBBROKEN_LADDER: the drivers which aren't needed, aren't loaded02:39
froustoh... it's a legend02:40
froustgot it02:40
BROKEN_LADDERi've never used gentoo.02:40
BROKEN_LADDERi used slackware for a year or two before switching to ubuntu.02:40
BROKEN_LADDERslackware package management sucks.02:40
phuzzyok, so i guess my only other option is to copy everything from that partion to my ext3 partion, then reformat the partition?02:40
Hwolfbroken_ladder go and try gentoo :-P02:40
jdubphuzzy: you can *read* from ntfs, but not write.02:40
phuzzyi feel like such an idiot... i don't know how to reformat partitions in linux02:40
HwolfPhuzzy, yeah, that's what I did, but then you've got very little left for windows. :-)02:40
bob2froust: right02:40
HrdwrBoBphuzzy: that would be what I would do02:40
JoePenguinphuzzy: mkfs02:40
phuzzylol to hell with windows ;)02:40
froustThe new ati drivers are rpm's... Can ubuntu install rpms?02:40
jdubfroust: the new drivers have just been uploaded to hoary02:41
danielsfroust: no, but it doesn't have to.  you'll be able to install xorg-driver-fglrx and xfree86-driver-fglrx very soon.02:41
jdubfroust: always use the drivers provided with ubuntu02:41
phuzzyok, i have another dumb question02:41
BROKEN_LADDERHrdwrBoB: why have modules that you aren't going to use?02:41
jdubfroust: (but yes, ubuntu can install rpms with alien, but it's not the best way of doing things)02:41
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froustahh... what is the package name for 64 bit xorg, do you know?02:42
phuzzywhen i try to play my MP3s, it says i need a plugin to be able to play them.. have any of you ever ran into that problem before?02:42
stackpopperDoes ubuntu support ppc64?02:42
HrdwrBoBBROKEN_LADDER: oh no. the ~8-10mb of wasted hard drive space is killing me.02:42
jdubstackpopper: not as yet.02:42
danielsfroust: er?  it's the same02:42
danielsfroust: if you're running amd64, then xserver-xorg will be 64-bit02:42
stackpopperjdub, does ubuntu include a partition resize tool?02:42
zenroxi hope this works02:42
zenrox<zenrox> compiling new gl and mesa and drivers for my vid card02:42
zenrox<zenrox> intel 845g/l card02:42
zenrox<zenrox> hoping the i915 driver will work so i can up the fps for one game02:42
jdubphuzzy: install gstreamer0.8-mad.02:42
jdubstackpopper: no02:42
phuzzyhow do i install it?02:42
danielszenrox: um, no point02:42
froustexcellent... so just apt-get xserver-xorg?02:42
jdubphuzzy: in synaptic or with apt-get02:43
phuzzylike i said, i'm really new to debian02:43
danielszenrox: i'm going to have packages of that uploaded tonight02:43
stackpopperSo resize within osx then reboot and the bootloader will be happy to offer me both osx and ubuntu choices/02:43
danielsfroust: yeah, except that's only in hoary (the development branch).02:43
zenroxreally daniels  kewl02:43
frousti'm in hoary02:43
danielsfroust: you'll almost certainly already have it if you're running hoary02:43
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jdubphuzzy: if you've just installed, you'll have to enable universe (the collection of unsupported software built from debian)02:43
frousthaven't updated since yesterday02:43
Kotirois it easy enough to upgrade from XFree86 to Xorg?02:43
froustso i probably don't.02:43
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jdubKotiro: when hoary is released, it will be a simple upgrade from warty to hoary02:43
danielsfroust: xorg has been in hoary for months02:44
Kotirowarty works fine now cept for a few minor things...is it worth upgrading?02:44
jdubKotiro: if you want to test hoary, you can try the upgrade now (which works well)02:44
jdubKotiro: no02:44
mjg59BROKEN_LADDER: Pretty much the only developers who run kernels they've compiled themselves are the ones who deal with the kernel02:44
froustdaniels: i'm talking the new ati drivers that were released today, not xorg02:44
jdubKotiro: not unless you want to help test and debug :)02:44
Kotirook..stay with warty02:44
danielsfroust: they'll be in by 0200 UTC, I'd imagine02:44
danielsfroust: they've already been uploaded02:44
Kotiroin that case..all the functionality of my sis chip, is not working in XFree8602:45
Kotirohow do i get it to work02:45
phuzzyis there anything i can read that will help me figure out how to do all of this?02:45
Kotiroor where i can read about getting it to work02:45
froustwhich brings me back to my original question of what is the package name to apt-get them?02:45
jdubphuzzy: both the wiki and ubuntuguide.org02:45
GammaRayphuzzy: it's pretty simple in synaptic02:45
Ex-Cyberphuzzy: http://ubuntuguide.org02:45
phuzzyhow do i start synaptic?02:45
jdubphuzzy: computer > system configuration > synaptic package manager02:45
froustHas anyone installed the drivers?02:46
froust*wondering about POSIX shared memory*02:46
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danielsfroust: i ran them for a few minutes, went fine02:47
phuzzyyou said i needed to install g-streamer what?02:47
froustdid you enable POSIX first?02:47
danielsfroust: (alarmingly, i test the stuff i upload ...)02:47
danielsfroust: um, didn't need to, it's been present in every revision of ubuntu ever02:47
GammaRay"One of the best ways to make sure information is kept secure is to broadcast it using a published standard, and to try to make sure the signal goes as far as possible. Right?"02:47
froustokay, i didn't know that02:47
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jdubphuzzy: gstreamer0.8-mad02:48
phuzzyi don't see that in the list...02:48
froustso what is the package name?02:48
jdubphuzzy: you need to enable universe02:49
zenroxdaniels,  waht do i get to get thoes drivers02:49
jdubphuzzy: settings > repositories, uncomment the universe deb lines02:49
GammaRayyou also have to click update02:49
GammaRay(after)02:49
KotiroXlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". <-- where would i find this to get it working?02:49
danielszenrox: it'll just come in a new revision of xserver-xorg/xlibmesa-gl/xlibmesa-dri tonight02:49
BROKEN_LADDERmjg59: everyone i know who runs linux compiles the kernel himself to tweak it for his machine.02:50
GammaRayBROKEN_LADDER: about the only tweaking that makes sense is ripping out modules02:50
phuzzyall i see when i do that are checkboxes under enable, then type is deb....02:50
phuzzyand there's something about URI....02:50
BROKEN_LADDERis pre-emptible kernel compiled in the ubuntu defaults?02:50
BROKEN_LADDERGammaRay: or picking the right processor eh?02:51
GammaRayI believe so02:51
HrdwrBoBBROKEN_LADDER: yes and yes02:51
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danielsBROKEN_LADDER: funny, I could've sworn we provided packages for -386, -686, -686-smp, -k7, and -k7-smp02:51
danielsoh well02:51
phuzzyi don't see anything about "universe" in here02:51
mjg59BROKEN_LADDER: The majority of developers of Linux distributions don't...02:52
BROKEN_LADDERgood for them.02:53
lavigjhey guys. any idea how to get my atheros card clipping along at 54Mbit? the highest I seem to get it is 12Mbit02:53
BROKEN_LADDERwhenever i start up, my arrow keys are read as xf86_audionext,prev, etc. until i make some change, any change, in keyboard settings.02:53
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phuzzywait... i think i figured it out02:53
danielsBROKEN_LADDER: try recompiling your kernel to fix it02:53
BROKEN_LADDERoh that's funny.02:53
GammaRayphuzzy: the one that has the URL http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ add universe multiverse to the Section(s) part02:53
GammaRayphuzzy: URI rather02:54
BROKEN_LADDERhas anyone else had this problem?02:54
BROKEN_LADDERthis is a two week old ubuntu install.02:54
froustCan anyone tell me how to get the new ATI drivers?02:54
froustI can't find them in synaptic02:54
danielsBROKEN_LADDER: change back whatever it is that you changed; no default ubuntu install has ever loaded a keymap capable of generating those keysyms02:54
jdublavigj: it's probably cycling down due to wifi quality issues02:54
hiddeWhat is in the file /var/lib/dpkg/available ?02:54
bob2BROKEN_LADDER: nothing in the BTS?02:54
danielsfroust: just wait like an hour02:54
Plukfroust, have a little patience :)02:54
Plukati just released them02:54
phuzzywell, i saw two entries for "universe" under sections... so i selected them, is that what you need to do?02:55
lavigjjdub... I don't think so. I am like, 4 feet from the router. I have read that mad-wifi doesn't support higher than 11Mbit unless you tell it to, and i am having trouble telling it to.02:55
jdubfroust: dude, the package was *just* uploaded. it hasn't built  yet.02:55
jdublavigj: not sure htne02:55
yz i know telnet is insecure etc, but how do i enable my ubuntu to accept TELNETD connections (plz dont suggest use SSHD)02:55
lavigjjdub: I think i would at least 48Mbit with my current signal strength02:55
GammaRayphuzzy: sounds right02:55
BROKEN_LADDERdaniels: i have set my keyboard shortcuts so that mod4-right is xf86audionext, for instance.02:55
froustOkay - I thought uploaded == I can download them02:55
hiddeHELP: I get an error running dpkg and I can't fix it, apperantly02:56
Pluklavigj, madwifi does support 54mbit out of the box.. here it does02:56
phuzzyok, well i did that and i'm still not seeing g-stream(xxxx).mad02:56
GammaRayphuzzy: it should have warned you about support02:56
danielsBROKEN_LADDER: ...02:56
BROKEN_LADDERdaniels: once i change something in keyboard settings, like say switch to a qwerty keymap then back, everything is fine.02:56
lavigjPluk: .... hmmm....02:56
BROKEN_LADDERyou said no default ubuntu install loads such keymap files.02:56
lavigjPluk: any suggestions on how to get it up there?02:56
GammaRayphuzzy: did you click update as well?02:56
Pluklavigj, sure your AP isnt doing 11mbit?02:56
hiddeCan someone tell me what /var/lib/dpkg/available does?02:56
BROKEN_LADDERbob2: BTS?02:56
phuzzyi clicked "ok"02:56
phuzzyi didn't see "update"02:56
lavigjPluk: I will double check... I didn't think it was though02:57
bj_oh wow you can hit tab to finish someones name in xchat02:57
GammaRayphuzzy: reload rather02:57
GammaRayphuzzy: my mistake...02:57
bob2hidde: if you're getting errors in it, 'sudo dselect update02:57
phuzzyoh02:57
phuzzyok lol02:57
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GammaRayit's apt-get update here02:57
hiddebob2, can you explain what it does?02:57
Kotirosay, im running a pre-release version of XFree86..updates dont say anythign about needing to upgrade it to the release version..would it make a difference if i did upgrade it now?02:57
bob2hidde: it does nothing useful unless you're using dselect02:57
hiddebob2, I get errors from dpkg so I can't install anything. :-S02:58
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lavigjPluk: ok, this is wierd.... iwconfig shows it at 48Mbit.... I guess I will trust that instead of iwlist ath0 rate02:59
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lavigjPluk: nm02:59
lavigjPluk: apparently I am being stupid :)03:00
Pluklol03:00
zenroxlavigj,  we were all stupid at one point ;)03:00
Plukstill am03:00
Pluk:D03:00
hiddeHm. I found a bug.03:00
HrdwrBoBzenrox: I was never stupid, merely misinformed03:00
zenroxlol03:00
Plukniceone03:01
Ex-CyberHrdwrBoB: sir, you are a better man than I ;)03:01
ZzeCoOlogra03:01
lavigjzenrox: inexperienced perhaps? If i was stupid I wouldn't have configured this mess for 128bit wep either :)03:01
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ZzeCoOlogra ? alive?03:01
zenroxlol03:01
bj_soooo03:01
danielsHrdwrBoB: 'uninformed'03:01
phuzzyhey, thanks guys! it worked!03:02
bj_is expocity or skippy-xd ever gonna get intto the repos??03:02
HrdwrBoBdaniels: if I was misinformed it was other people's fault :)03:02
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ograZzeCoOl: on my way to bed03:02
ZzeCoOlOpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.03:02
ZzeCoOlOpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9500 Pro Generic03:02
ZzeCoOlOpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)03:02
ZzeCoOl:))))03:02
ograyup03:03
ZzeCoOli made it03:03
ograi see03:03
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ZzeCoOlbut i ahve 970003:03
Ex-Cyberon a scale of "Warty install" to "mutually recursive blocking dependencies", roughly how painful should I expect a dist-upgrade to be? :)03:03
zenroxand another sucess storie more at 1103:03
ZzeCoOlnot 9500 but this is acommon error03:03
HrdwrBoBEx-Cyber: closer to warty install03:04
bj_Ex-Cyber, peace of cake 4 me03:04
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Ex-Cyberokay03:04
zenroxya was a pain since i had to manuly configure xorg03:04
hidde_gdm: error while loading shared libraries: libXdmcp.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory03:04
hidde_How do I fix that one?03:04
Ex-CyberI've been through the wringer with Debian a couple times before (my own fault mostly), but it was years ago so I wasn't sure how clearly I remembered the smoother stuff03:04
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|QuaD-hey all, is hoary currently broken?03:05
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phuzzyok, now one more question.... temporarily, until i can remake my file systems, how do i change the permissions of my NTFS mount so i can access it without having to be root?03:05
hidde_bob2, can you give me that command again, dselect?03:05
phuzzyi tried chown, but that didn't seem to work03:05
GammaRaymount it w/ -o dmask=000,fmask=11103:06
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phuzzyso for instance.... mount -t ntfs -o dmask=000, fmask=111 /dev/hda6 /mnt/blah03:07
phuzzy?03:07
bob2phuzzy: I told you how to do that03:07
bob211:37:56           bob2 | phuzzy: you can mount it like this: 'sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/blah /mnt/'03:07
bob2hidde_: scroll u03:08
bob211:57:18           bob2 | hidde: if you're getting errors in it, 'sudo dselect update03:08
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GammaRayumask is sucky way, but it works03:08
phuzzysorry, it was going too fast for me to catch heh03:08
phuzzydamn... it worked lol03:09
phuzzythanks guys! you're great!03:09
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zenroxphuzzy,  thats the mision for the chanel03:10
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kquamme94so how is hoary coming along guys?03:11
zenroxslowly03:11
hiddeHoary is broken atm, at least for me03:11
zenroxi guess03:11
zenroxworks just fine for me03:11
kquamme94seems to work well on my old 450 system03:11
kquamme94but the 2.6 celeron system don't like it03:12
hiddeI can't get into gdm, actually03:12
v_2grub-install segfaults on amd64...03:12
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zenroxmy 2ghz celry love it03:12
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zenrox+ i have a cpu temp too boot03:12
kquamme94well i shouldn't say the celry but more the graphics03:12
ahursdsdfgsdfdoes anyone know why yarssr doesn't save the preferences after reboot?03:12
zenroxkquamme94,  what vid card03:13
kquamme94intel integrated on an emachines, heh03:13
kquamme94:(03:13
zenroxmine works just file03:13
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kquamme94i reformated and stuck with warty03:13
|QuaD-bob2: just updated my hoary box after a month of not using it, postfix is breaking apt-get upgrade... is that a common problem? or unique to my box (so i should look to fix it)03:13
zenroxintel i845g/gl  built in vid card03:13
kquamme94and it's marvelous03:13
zenroxemachine d204603:14
punk0hello somebody speak spanish03:14
willisdaniels, just to check in, i just need to add fglrx to my /etc/modules file and use the default xorg.conf and it should work?03:14
kquamme94T269203:14
lamont|QuaD-: what exactly is the error?03:14
|QuaD-blah03:14
|QuaD-hold03:14
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|QuaD-i just lost it cuz i went to a dist-upgrade03:14
|QuaD-instead of upgrade03:14
punk0i have some problems whit nat in ubuntu when using my adsl (pppoe) link03:14
|QuaD-it will be back i am sure03:14
zenroxkquamme94,  yours is better then mine so you vid card should work with the new xorg coming out03:14
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kquamme94i think it uses the i810 actually03:14
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kquamme94could be 845, i don't remember03:15
zenroxya for 2d03:15
froustI got this error updating... Any thoughts? ** (process:29576): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed03:15
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|QuaD-lamont: is there a final consensus about whether to use upgrade or dist-upgrade?03:15
kquamme94my monitor gives me more fits than the card though03:15
zenroxi810 for 2d on any vid card i810 and up03:15
lamont|QuaD-: I tend to always use dist-upgrade03:15
zenroxi915 for 3d i840 and up03:15
lamontit's just a matter of how apt deals with new packages03:15
jdub|QuaD-: stick to upgrade unless you need to use dist-upgrade, you'll encounter fewer problems03:16
kquamme94damn eView monitor and the sync rates03:16
GammaRayever since ctrl-H, type ahead selection, and the customizable list view, nautilus is seeming pretty nice03:16
|QuaD-hehe alright... 2 different answers... lol03:16
|QuaD-jdub: when would i NEED to?03:16
jdub|QuaD-: some people blithely dist-upgrade all the time, and then ask, "where is my X?"03:16
|QuaD-jdub: lol03:16
zenroxkquamme94,  i bought seprat montor dint need the hassels on eview montors03:16
zenroxSysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.10-2-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.872 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 296/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 74.43G Free: 42.27G Procs: 82 Uptime: 2 hrs 23 mins 50 secs Load: 2.19 1.73 1.88  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 168.73M Out: 7.99M03:16
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kquamme94yea, i am serious considering getting the LCD from school and fixing it up03:17
kquamme94so i can use it03:17
jdub|QuaD-: when there are normal package add/remove requirements, and you know which packages are going to be cahnged (use -u with apt-get)03:17
HrdwrBoBGammaRay: ctrl+h?03:17
GammaRayHrdwrBoB: shows hidden files03:17
GammaRayHrdwrBoB: even remembers them per dir03:17
HrdwrBoBah yep03:18
|QuaD-lamont: it looks like postfix is crashing because i don't have exim installed.... gotta figure out which to install03:18
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GammaRayerr remembers the setting per dir03:19
heliolit1who uses fluxbox? I heard about it in here, and was wondering what it replaces?  It says on its site that it has support for KDE and ltd. for Gnome but I thought it was a Desktop Environment that replaced those...03:19
|QuaD-errors were encountered while processing: postfix, popularity-contest(?? whats this??), postfix-tls,ubuntu-base(LOL)03:19
|QuaD-lamont: if i post a file with the errors, will you take a look at it?03:20
GammaRayheliolit1: they mean the standards that allow it to take the place of kwin03:20
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GammaRayheliolit1: and work w/ things like the pager03:20
nate5anyone here use yarssr?03:20
GammaRayit probably works in gnome fine03:20
heliolit1GammaRay: so it doesn't replace Gnome? or it does, but it gets its preferences etc. from Gnome if that's what you were using?03:21
sl4shalguien habla espaniol???03:21
GammaRayit can be run standalone or as a replacement for metacity03:21
Agrajagsl4sh: #ubuntu-es03:21
heliolit1si pero aqui hablan puro ingles: yeah I speak Spanish but this is an English channel03:21
GammaRayyou can run metacity standalone as well03:21
dudi cant believe i just fscking deleted my entire home directory >_<03:21
sl4shthank =)03:22
|QuaD-does apt-get log errors anywhere03:22
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lamont|QuaD-: stderr03:22
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lamontalthough you could '03:22
heliolit1GammaRay: so Gnome, Metacity, Fluxbox are all Desktop Environments, right?03:22
lamontapt-get install postfix postfix-tls and see what it says then03:22
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HrdwrBoBheliolit1: no, gnome is a DE, metacity and fluxbox are window managers03:23
|QuaD-lamont: i don't have x running03:23
HrdwrBoBheliolit1: they control how you move windows around, and what the decorations are03:23
willishas anyone gotten the new ati drivers to work in xorg?03:23
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heliolit1HrdwrBoB oh so they're like Themes managers?03:23
HrdwrBoBwillis: they are in the hoary repository03:23
HrdwrBoBheliolit1: sort of yeah03:23
bj_whats the purpose of xresprobe?03:23
jdubwillis: the drivers have been uploaded to hoary, wait for them to be built and use those03:23
dudfuck fuck fuck :(03:23
heliolit1HrdwrBob: do you use either of them?03:23
|QuaD-lamont: how is the easiest way for me to get you the log (having trouble getting it into a file)03:23
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GammaRayHrdwrBoB: fluxbox can also be considered somewhat of a Desktop Environment03:24
HrdwrBoBbj_: probes monitors for resolutions X can use03:24
lamont|QuaD-: apt-get install postfix postfix-tls > foo 2>&103:24
HrdwrBoBheliolit1: I use metacity with GNOME, which is the ubuntu defalt03:24
lamontthen mail foo to lamont@ubuntu.com03:24
willisjdub, i got the new ones ( I'm pretty sure, the changelog on my computer matches the accepted notice ) but i'm having trouble loading them03:24
bj_HrdwrBoB,  Itt didnt rreturn anytthin03:24
HrdwrBoBbj_: what is your video card03:24
HrdwrBoByou need to run xresprobe ati03:24
HrdwrBoBor similar03:24
GammaRayfluxbox has a taskbar, pager, and menu. and possibly lots of addons through the bb stuff03:24
HrdwrBoBwhy are you running xresprobe?03:25
HrdwrBoBGammaRay: ahh03:25
heliolit1HrdwrBoB: oh, so if I'm running Ubuntu off a fresh install (as of yesterday) I'm using Metacity too probably?03:25
bj_nvidia geforce2ti03:25
dudmy homefolder is so empty i could die03:25
HrdwrBoBheliolit1: yes03:25
HrdwrBoBbj_: run xresprobe nvidia03:25
bj_I did xrerrsproe nvidia03:25
bj_maybbe nvv?03:25
bj_stupid keyboarrd lol03:25
heliolit1GammaRay: Do you use Fluxbox?03:25
|QuaD-lamont: can i give you a website?03:25
jdubwillis: yeah, they're bulit now03:25
GammaRayheliolit1: I have.. but not now03:26
jdubwillis: see the guide on the wiki03:26
|QuaD-www.slovin.us/apt.error03:26
nate5what kind of rss readers do you guys use in ubuntu?03:26
GammaRayheliolit1: I perfer the extra lightness of icewm03:26
jdubnate5: blam03:26
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heliolit1nate5 bloglines =P03:26
jdubnate5: but usually i just read planets :)03:26
nate5for some reason blam forgets my feeds when I reboot03:26
nate5I added slashdot and that stayed up03:26
lamont|QuaD-: sure03:26
nate5the rest disappear03:26
GammaRayflux is kinda heavy on a k6-2 266 w/ my video card03:26
heliolit1GammaRay: so you replaced Metacity with icewm?03:26
HrdwrBoBbj_: are you using sudo to run it?03:27
nate5so does yarssr03:27
HrdwrBoBbj_: why do you need to run it03:27
danielsbj_: you need to use 'xresprobe nv'03:27
GammaRayheliolit1: any part of gnome would kill this computer03:27
danielsbut bob's question is a good one03:27
|QuaD-lamont: did you get that address? www.slovin.us/apt.error03:27
ScooterI am installing Warty on amd-64 system... it dont see my windows OS in the grub installer... can I tweak this later? or should i abort the install?03:27
ScooterTIA :)03:27
NetwrkMonkeywhat program do most of you use for burning dvds?03:27
GammaRayheliolit1: however I run full gnome on an Duron 800 I also have03:27
lamont|QuaD-: did now/03:28
heliolit1GammaRay: and stick with Metacity on that box?03:28
|QuaD-lamont: thanks03:28
GammaRayheliolit1: yea03:28
bj_i wasnt sudoing03:28
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lamont|QuaD-: what does ls -l /bin/sh point to?03:28
heliolit1GammaRay: ty I'm beginning to understand (=03:29
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|QuaD-bash03:29
|QuaD-lamont: bash03:29
lamontand what does that line following 'Starting postfix' say??  all gibberish here03:29
lamontor is the line following it 'invoke-rc.d'?03:29
dudi had so much stuff in my home directory...03:29
keyshawndoes anyone else notice that the speeds from ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net to be VERY slow ? [around .5 kb's/sec] 03:29
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Neo_654helio, I' glad you are cause I am also interested in this but about as lost as you can get.  Came in too late I think.03:29
keyshawnim trying to do some updates.03:30
bj_HrdwrBoB,  I found this monitor and was hoping it could go over 1024x8xx03:30
lamont|QuaD-: grep -e fatal -e error -e warn /var/log/mail.log03:30
|QuaD-lamont: i can't read it here either, can't scroll up03:30
bj_but alas03:30
|QuaD-lamont: ok, hold03:30
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siimoanyone think KDE fonts look better than gnome? http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/3.3/snapshot9.png03:31
heliolit1Neo_654 too late in the conversation or what do you mean?03:31
keyshawnmeh, i dont want the kde v. gnome flame wars.03:31
Neo_654Helio late into the coversation.03:31
|QuaD-lamont: i will summarize the errors, "fatal: the postfix mail system is already running", lots of those, if you want the full thing i can send it to you03:32
Riddellsiimo: fonts are independent of desktop environment03:32
heliolit1Neo_654 it was short, basically, I asked what Fluxbox is and people told me it is a "Windows Manager" for X, but can also be considered somewhat of a Desktop environment03:32
siimoRiddell, well they seem to look a lot crisper in KDE03:32
lamont|QuaD-: oh. that.03:32
lamontsudo postfix stop; apt-get dist-upgrade03:33
lamontalready in the bts03:33
phuzzydoes anyone know how to install java for firefox?03:33
heliolit1Neo_654 This url helped parse it all together: http://www.plig.org/xwinman/fluxbox.html03:33
|QuaD-lamont: beautiful03:33
|QuaD-lamont: would apt-get normally stop it?03:34
Neo_654helio, guess I didn't come into late then.  I'm just trying to figure out where to start to understand how to "tweak" the look of the desktop without destroying it as I already did once today.03:34
lamont|QuaD-: yes - that's the bug03:34
|QuaD-lamont: no more apt-get errors at all03:34
|QuaD-lamont: should i file a bug report?03:34
lamontyeah - the rest of them were cascading from the postfix failure03:34
lamontit's already there.03:34
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heliolit1Neo_654 haha how'd you destroy it?  are you just using Metacity to change the appearance or what?03:34
|QuaD-lamont: ok... thanks... brb... going to attempt a restart onto the new kernel...brb03:34
lamont5580, 5586, and probably at least one more... :-(03:34
jdubNeo_654: computer > desktop preferences > theme03:35
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Neo_654Started playing the with panels(?) and lost gaim and could get it straightened out for a couple of hours.03:35
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keyshawn?03:35
heliolit1Neo_654 via command line or somewhere else?03:36
keyshawn[reference to my question from above, accidently exited from here] 03:36
Neo_654jdub, played with that a little just not finding anything that I like.  I like those translusant looks.03:36
Neo_654helio, it was the misclick that clicked the remove from panel that bit me in the backside.03:37
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|QuaD-lamont: everything works... thanks again03:37
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heliolit1Neo_654 jdub is what?03:38
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Neo_654helio I was replying to jdub.03:39
heliolit1neo oops03:39
jdubheliolit1: jdub is me :)03:39
kotauSo is there a way to figure out what kind of driver I'll need for this Sakar webcam?  They offer no linux driver, but if I remember correctly when this box was windows it needed no driver, it just saw it as a media device.  When I plug it in Ubuntu wants to import photos from it, even though there are none on it.  Would I be able to just specify the device (it says it is an argus DC-10 or somesuch) in a webcam app?03:39
lamont|QuaD-: sorry about the bug03:39
Neo_654And as far as I can tell a nice and knowledgeable person.03:39
heliolit1jdub: haha sorry I realize that now, I thought you were a window manager =P03:40
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dudfscking pieve of crap assed brain... how could i delete my home directory..... i mean god damn it.... ill have to just install ubuntu all over :(03:40
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kotauzomg dud.03:40
HrdwrBoBkotau: what does lspci say03:40
HrdwrBoBkotau: I use camstream for my webcam03:40
HrdwrBoBer lsusb03:40
|QuaD-lamont: haha... i am so impressed with ubuntu, that I can't complain about a bug in a UNSTABLE version03:40
kotausorry hrdwrbob, is that a command I run from terminal?03:40
dudand all the custom builds and tweaks ive been through to finally get mplayer, java, transcodde and more working on amd6403:40
Neo_654helio, did you see my message to you about the colors?03:41
HrdwrBoBkotau: yes03:41
heliolit1Neo: I've been looking at the Fluxbox screenshots here: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/screenshots-dev.php although I really need to get the main config more dialed in before I mess around with the bells & whistles03:41
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kotauhrdwrbob oh wow thanks for that command!  how incredibly useful!03:41
HrdwrBoBno problem03:42
kotaujust for a follow up that lists it as **Bus 001 Device 002: ID 2770:9120 NHJ, Ltd Che-ez! Snap / iClick Tiny VGA Digital  Camera**03:42
kotauit must not need a specific driver.. off to install camstrem03:43
froustWhen I do an apt-cache show, it returns this: "E: No packages found"03:45
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v_2what's the state of amd64 on ubuntu vs. vanilla debian-amd64?03:49
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linux-rulzhey, does anyone know if it is possible to write a disc, then write more files to it at a later point in ubuntu like u can do in windows?03:50
twstd3bcany pointers or links to making an initrd for a PPC kernel (2.6.10)?  The initrd's for 2.6.8.1 aren't working out.03:50
twstd3bclinux-rulz: yeah do multi-session with cdrecord03:51
kquamme94linux-rulz: should be able to03:51
linux-rulztwstd3bc: preferably gui tools please....if not then i'll take command line03:51
CKKnightI heart Ubuntu03:51
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kquamme94linux-rulz: you could try xcdroast03:52
kquamme94if there's a .deb for it03:52
kquamme94linux-rulz: i used it for the longest time when i ran xfce on slackware03:53
dudfsck it... ill try installing debian this time03:53
dudhrm03:53
linux-rulzkquamme94: hopefully it works better than K3B on Ubuntu...oh god, what a nightmare that was :-P03:53
kquamme94what was wrong with k3b?03:53
GammaRayxcdroat has a complicated gui but it's very reliable03:54
linux-rulzkept locking up and forcing me to reboot...would just write a bit, then read and read and read for ages03:54
randabisxcdroast is in the repos03:54
kquamme94i was just gonna mention that gamma, you know your stuff03:54
linux-rulzbut nautilus burnt just fine03:54
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kquamme94i've been using nautilus03:54
kquamme94so i didn't bother dl-ing and installing roast03:54
randabisI use k3b just fine03:54
linux-rulzi cant find an option in nautilus for doing multisession discs tho03:55
randabisjust wish I could get it to burn faster than 30x03:55
linux-rulzdoes xcdroast have support for multi-session and audio cds....if not then maybe i will try k3b again03:55
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kquamme94i'd try k3b again if you want ease of use03:55
esachow does one request a package to be added to apt ?03:55
kquamme94just make sure your libraries are ok03:56
kquamme94like qt03:56
linux-rulznah, i can usually use complicated programs, i just prefer gui in certain situations03:56
kquamme94you could always get both03:56
linux-rulzin others, like manages files on my computer, the command line is much easier to use IMHO03:56
kquamme94and then get rid of the one you don't want03:56
linux-rulzyeah, thats true...but i dont want too many coasters, im running low on blank discs03:56
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kquamme94:)03:57
linux-rulzso just trying to collect info before i burn anything03:57
kquamme94as for file managers, can't go wrong with MC03:57
kquamme94is that in the repositories?03:57
linux-rulzive actually never tried it, i should03:57
linux-rulzyep, midnight commander is in the repos...apt-get install mc03:58
kquamme94i love MC, started using it on slack and can't put it down..... an absolute neccesity if x fails03:58
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GammaRaymc is very nice.. great on a crappy computer. I love extrnal panelize03:58
GammaRaymc has no decent rename feature though03:58
genyou guys talking about midnight commander?03:58
kquamme94nope, but it gets the job done03:58
kquamme94yep03:58
GammaRayrigged one up w/ dialog though03:59
riplakishLet me be the 900th person to ask this question:  How do I get the new ATI drivers to work?03:59
kquamme94just have to move it to same dir with different name03:59
GammaRaybut dialog sucks for function keys though03:59
randabisis openoffice.org2-core not ready yet or something?03:59
GammaRaykquamme94: but then you have to retype the name03:59
linux-rulzopenoffice.org2...it hasnt been released yet03:59
kquamme94yea, but hey, what do you expect from a program that's as old as MC? heh04:00
randabisin hoary we have a package openoffice.org2-debian-files04:00
riplakishI upgraded to Hoary already, I installed the linux-retricted-modules and xorg-driver-fglrx04:00
randabisbut you can't install it because openoffice.org2-core isn't there04:00
GammaRaykquamme94: I'm getting desperate enough to learn curses and add it myself04:00
riplakishit's a no go04:00
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linux-rulzopenoffice.org 2 just entered beta...it is still called 1.9.something, so i dont know why OOo2 would be there04:00
kquamme94i'd use ur version if you tweaked it04:01
kquamme94modernize it a litte04:01
NetwrkMonkeyanyone know of any good linux hardware compatibility sites?04:01
riplakishglxgears still has pathetic FPS' and glxinfo still says Mesa, what am I no doing correctly?04:01
NetwrkMonkeythat are current04:01
NetwrkMonkeymost stuff i've found is years old04:01
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knoppix_how can i make a windows application work in ubuntu?04:02
GammaRaywine... if you put quotes around work04:02
linux-rulzDoes anyone know of a place where we can suggest packages that should be moved from universe to main so that they can receive security updates?04:02
riplakishcan anyone help me with my ATI driver problem?04:02
linux-rulzor vote or something?04:02
kquamme94riplakish: did you search the forums04:03
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kquamme94i'm sure there is something there04:03
riplakishyes, these are the new drivers that just came out today04:03
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linux-rulzriplakish: you should maybe use the old drivers for the time being04:04
kquamme94i agree04:04
kquamme94too soon to expect anyone to have support help for the new drivers04:04
riplakishi'd rather not.  it's been what - 2 years and still am waiting for decent drivers04:04
linux-rulzATI's drivers tend to have different methods of forcing them to work on different distros04:04
kquamme94did the old ones get the job done?04:04
riplakishno, been running Mesa.  sux for games04:05
billytwowillyare the new ati drivers available in an easy to update deb yet?04:05
linux-rulzriplakish: wait a week or 2, then maybe someone will have posted a howto or something04:05
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froustbilly: yup04:05
randabisbilly yessir, in hoary04:05
riplakishbilly:  in the hoary repositories04:05
billytwowillyok, I'll look.04:05
froustmine won't wo0rk04:05
billytwowillysee if I can figure it out;)04:05
randabisriplakish have you checked your xorg.conf?04:06
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kquamme94well if your going to try and use the new drivers you best start working on stuff yourself for a few days04:06
riplakishrandabis: for anything specific?04:06
kquamme94did you look at xorg logs?04:06
randabisin the device section you should have the frglx (or whatever it's called) driver in there04:06
kquamme94anyone here see the new Novell distro?04:07
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randabisnovell linux desktop?04:07
riplakishkquamme94:  dan said he had the package ready last week.  it should be as simple as update then upgrade from synaptic04:07
froust"trying to overwrite /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1' which is also in package ia32-libs"04:07
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froustI get that when I try to update04:08
froustthe drivers04:08
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kquamme94so what happens when you try to start x?04:08
randabiskquamme94 novell linux desktop?04:08
kquamme94yea randabis that's the one04:08
randabisI've used it04:08
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riplakishmy driver says "ati"04:08
randabisit's okay, but it is pretty bare..not a lot of stuff comes with it04:09
randabisthat's your problem rip04:09
riplakishin xorg.conf, that is04:09
randabisyou're not using the new driver04:09
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kquamme94yea, it's gotta be the name of the new driver04:09
froustI can't update the driver04:09
firstknightHi, I have blabla.tar.gz and blabla.tar.gz.sg.... How do I verify blabla.tar.gz file????04:09
kquamme94hey, linuxformat has ubuntu ranked in the top 15!04:10
genof course it does04:10
randabisNLD has gnome 2.8 though and it does look pretty slick, but like I said, you don't get a lot of software with it04:10
randabisand suse packages don't seem compatible04:10
kquamme94i thought they said it came with 2.604:10
randabishmm..looked like 2.8 to me, could be wrong04:10
Elk_Braddoes mandrake packages work on Ubuntu?04:10
randabisprobably is 2.604:10
Elk_Braddo*04:10
kquamme94lemme check it agaoin04:11
kquamme94again04:11
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randabisElk most likely not04:11
randabiswhy you would want to install mandrake packages is beyond me04:11
linux-rulzis there anywhere i can get a list of packages that are currently in hoary without changing my sources.list?04:11
genhaha04:11
kquamme94NLD 9 ships with a version-old GNOME release, 2.6. Version 2.6 lacks some improvements we had welcomed in the latest, Version 2.8, such as a straightened-out means of configuring file types.04:11
billytwowillyany special notes I should know about for the ati drivers?04:11
jdublinux-rulz: look at archive.ubuntu.com04:11
billytwowillyanything I have to change that synaptic doesn't do for me?04:11
kquamme94came from eweek review04:12
randabiskquamme ah, well they do look pretty similar... :p I only used it a few days04:12
linux-rulzjdub: i tried, i went to for example abiword but how can i tell which are for hoary and which are for warty?04:12
randabisbilly you'll probably have to change the device driver in xorg.conf04:12
randabisunless there is a command similar to nvidia-glx-enable for ati04:13
jdublinux-rulz: look at the dsc or changes files04:13
linux-rulzother than by version numbers, is there any other way to tell?04:13
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kquamme94riplakish: you get it sorted out?04:13
billytwowillydid it for me. Nice04:14
linux-rulzjdub: sorry for being moronic but where are those? in each package folder?04:14
punk0hi: i have some problems with nat in ubuntu when using my adsl (pppoe) conection, I have routing but when I want load to medium or big sites I cannot do,somebody has had these problems04:14
randabisbilly it isn't ati if that's what it says04:15
randabisthe driver is like frglx or something04:15
jdublinux-rulz: yes04:15
randabisnot an ati man so I dunno04:15
billytwowillyit says fglxr04:15
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randabisokay good04:15
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randabis:)04:15
billytwowillylemme check again;)04:16
kquamme94i wonder how riplakish made out04:16
randabisyou have to restart xserver for it to use the never driver04:16
randabisnever = new04:16
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randabisdunno, he kinda disappeared04:16
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kquamme94hopefully things are working04:17
billytwowillyrandabis, heh, I misread it. fglxr was commented out from previously and ati wasn't so I commented out ati and uncommented fglxr.04:17
randabisgodo04:17
randabisgood even04:17
randabisshould just have to restart x then04:17
randabisand if there are problems you can just go back to the old driver04:18
linux-rulzjdub: there is nothing in the dsc that suggests which version of each file is for which version of Ubuntu04:18
Grevis there is easy way to upgrade warty to xorg?04:18
jdubGrev: no04:18
linux-rulzjdub: where does apt look to find this info?04:18
randabiseverybody's scary of hoary ;p04:19
kquamme94lol, not me04:19
randabisguess it's that big bad UNSTABLE label :p04:19
kquamme94i use it on an older machine04:19
randabisme either, I likes it a loot04:19
kquamme94i was using it on this machine...04:19
randabisI have it on my main box and laptop04:19
jdublinux-rulz: the Packages file, you could look in it04:19
jdublinux-rulz: sorry, i was thinking of the build logs site rather than archive04:19
kquamme94i am considering using it on this one again04:19
Grevrandabis: gnome was too unstable using a wireless connection04:20
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billytwowillyit's nice04:20
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kquamme94i agree it's nice04:20
billytwowillyactually, I'll wait till I reboot to say if it's nice or not;)04:20
randabismy wireless connection on the laptop works fine in hoary with gnome04:20
jdubGrev: there no relationship between gnome and using wifi...04:20
kquamme94but most of my time at school on the hoary machine is spent updating04:20
jdubGrev: beyond the wifi applet04:20
danielsriplakish: what's wrong with the new drivers?04:20
billytwowillymy wireless works also, with some tweaking. stupid software on switch..04:20
randabisdaniels, he's disappeared... :p04:21
randabishis problem was with his xorg.conf I think04:21
danielsajhr04:21
randabisit still had ati as the driver04:21
danielsahr, even04:21
linux-rulzjdub: sorry for being a royal pain in the ass, but i worked all day and my brain isnt functioning at this point, could u provide a link to the file please?04:21
hacimwhen I run vlc the movie plays, but no sound, is there something I am missing?04:21
Grevthe wifi applet kept resetting IP to static ip from dhcp04:21
hacimlike a plugin for sound?04:22
jdublinux-rulz: look under dists04:22
randabishey, I wanted to install the openoffice.org2-debian-files, but openoffice.org2-core isn't installable...I thought I got an e-mail saying it was accepted...04:22
jdubrandabis: it hasn't built04:22
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randabisah04:22
jdubrandabis: hoary-changes is all about uploads, not completed builds04:22
randabisk04:22
randabisis there a mailing list for completed builds as well?04:23
jdubno04:23
randabisok04:23
randabisI like being notified by mail of changes at any rate. :)04:24
randabishacim, I don't get sound in vlc either..never figured out why04:24
gelatinouscubeyall mind if I throw a couple of basic questions out there?04:24
hacimrandabis: I think it is something with gnome04:24
randabisso I just use gxine instead :p04:24
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randabisgelatinouscube NO! :p go ahead04:25
gelatinouscubek :), here it goes04:25
PovRayManI was looking around gnoppix.org and the "support" link flashes me right to ubuntu's website support.  Does that mean I can ask a Gnoppix related question here and possibly get an answer back? :-)04:25
jdubgelatinouscube: the answer to that is always "ask don't ask to ask" ;-)04:25
hacimgnome seems to keep vlc from outputting sound, what causes that?04:25
gelatinouscubeone, gtk+ fonts, I have search the forums with no luck on getting them to not look like crap04:25
gelatinouscubeany suggestions?04:25
jdubhacim: something else is using your sound device, probably esd. configure vlc to use esd.04:25
jdubgelatinouscube: try various settings in the Fonts dialogue04:26
GammaRaygelatinouscube: what are you comparing them to?04:26
randabisvlc's configuration editor sucks :p04:26
jdubgelatinouscube: depending on the font, whether the autohinter is on (/etc/fonts/local.conf), whether subpixel AA is on and whether it's configured for your screen correctly can all have an impact04:26
gelatinouscubeI'm comparing them to what I had under gentoo where my gtk and gtk2 fonts look the same04:27
hacimjdub: not so sure how04:27
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GammaRayjdub: is it just me or is the type coder interpeter for freetype shipped on?04:27
PovRayManI just wanted to know if there was a complete Gnoppix install alongside it being a Live Cd.  I want to install a simple linux setup with gnome/fluxbox for the only purpose of web/aim/irc.  I tried to install ubuntu but the installer just hangs, the ubuntu live cd works fine though.04:28
randabisbut jdub's probably right, esd causes a lot of trouble for some apps04:28
billytwowillyhmm, on glxgears inspection, the new ati drivers suck..04:28
hikaru79Xfce is cool. Anyone else tried out the new 4.2.0 yet? =)04:28
randabisI can't play doom3 unless I completely kill esd for instance04:28
jdubGammaRay: i don't believe we turn on the bytecode interpreter.04:28
billytwowilly1375 fps? wtf?04:28
jdubrandabis: no, it only causes trouble for apps that aren't configured to use it.04:28
randabismeh that's what I meant04:28
randabis:p04:28
jdubhikaru79: yeah, it's looking good. bit more confusing that i expected it to be04:28
PovRayManhikaru79 I tried that XFCD live cd, its nice.04:28
hikaru79jdub, confusing? How so?04:29
hikaru79PovRayMan, I've just installed it, and it is nice indeed =)04:29
jdubhikaru79: lots of clicky-clicky things.04:29
GammaRayjdub: are there replacement packages in universe/multiverse? I don't remember doing it myself.04:29
hikaru79Heh04:29
PovRayManso anyone have any idea to help me solve my situation?04:29
jdubGammaRay: of?04:29
hikaru79I'm noticing an instant improvement in Firefox loading time...04:29
GammaRayjdub: freetype204:30
jdubGammaRay: why would there be?04:30
GammaRayjdub: to turn on the byte code interpeter04:31
gelatinouscubejdub: it looks like the autohinting is off04:31
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jdubGammaRay: no way dude.04:31
riplakishsorry, I'm back now04:33
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shantanuhello04:33
riplakishI ran fglrxconfig and it generated a new xorg.conf file for me.  I'll see if that does the trick.  BRB.  Hopefully ;)04:34
hacimwhat do people use to watch movies? I've tried totem, vlc, and xine and they all work, but none of them play sound04:34
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GammaRayhmm I have the freetype package that shipped w/ warty but my ms fonst look as good as on windows04:36
GammaRayvery odd04:36
hikaru79http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-10/  <--- Will this be included in Hoary?04:36
hikaru79Or is Hoary coming out before this is released?04:36
bj_its 2.9.4 now04:37
bj_pretty close04:37
gelatinouscubegammaray: my fonts are fine in gtk204:37
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gelatinouscubejust not gtk 1.204:37
gelatinouscubeyou like for xmms, vlc, gnucash04:37
gelatinouscube... etc04:37
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phuzzyi have a quesiton for you guys04:39
GammaRaygelatinouscube: treid gtk-theme-switch?04:39
gelatinouscubethemes for gtk 1 work fine also, i just haven't been able to change the font style or size04:39
phuzzydoes anyone know how to install the java runtime for firefox?04:39
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hacimwhat do people use to watch movies?04:39
GammaRaygelatinouscube: switch has font selection04:39
GammaRayhacim: dvd?04:39
gelatinouscubereally, I didn't know that, let me take a look04:39
hacimGammaRay: no, quicktime, avi, etc.04:40
kquamme94hacim: probably totem or xine04:40
GammaRayhacim: I install totem-xine and the win32-codec04:40
kquamme94you'll probably need to dl codecs04:40
hacimkquamme94: yeah, both totem and xine-ui seem to play movies fine, but the sound doesn't play04:40
kquamme94hmm04:40
hacimGammaRay: yeah, I just installed those and totem seems to not play quicktime04:40
kquamme94sound server problem?04:40
kquamme94do you have xine using alsa or esd/04:41
hacimkquamme94: mmm, not sure, I just installed it04:41
kquamme94i think i have all my multimedia stuff using esd04:41
kquamme94i know i had to change XMMS to esd to get it to work04:41
GammaRaythe files might have mp3s embedded04:42
colo-jimHas anyone got a ftp server up and running with Ubuntu?04:42
GammaRayI don't know if totem-xine needs a plugin for that...04:42
kquamme94oh, then i suppose you need the unsupported repos04:42
hacimkquamme94: the audio setup in xine only shows speaker arrangement :(*04:42
kquamme94did you go into the config?04:42
kquamme94and the "god" mode04:43
kquamme94or whatever it is04:43
GammaRaycolo-jim: I have, but I used pure-ftpd04:43
kquamme94it shows a whole buch more crap then beginner04:43
hacimkquamme94: ah, I didn't know I needed to go in that mode04:43
randabisyeah xfce is pretty nice... :p I think hoary has 4.2 not sure04:43
kquamme94does it show up now?04:43
kquamme94if it's an mp3 isssue you'll need the mp3 codecs04:44
colo-jimGammaRay: Thanks, I will try that one I am having a hard time getting Proftpd to work04:44
jdubrandabis: not yet04:44
kquamme94there is a howto on the forums04:44
Scooter<randabis>  ihave it in warty04:44
jdubrandabis: because it's in universe, we may sync it04:44
jdubeven though we're post-UVF04:44
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randabiswell this version is still pretty nice04:45
kquamme94howd it go rip?04:45
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ScooterI just uninstalled everything XFce and used graphical installer from XFce site, works like a charm in warty so far 8) you need04:45
riplakishi'm back  :)  it didn't work :(04:45
kquamme94darn04:45
riplakishglad i backed my xorg.conf file04:46
randabisyeah this is 4.0.604:46
kquamme94:)04:46
ScooterI am installing hoary on my SMP 0pteron, hopre it works,04:46
randabishmm04:47
kquamme94i gotta split04:47
kquamme94cya all later04:47
randabisbrb going back to gnome for now04:47
linux-rulzOK, I am in XCDRoast's page where you go to write a disc, i went to write tracks, then into the write tracks tab, now what write mode do i need to select in order to write it as a multisession disc....is it TAO???04:48
riplakishl8r kquamme94, thx 4 the help04:48
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randabisah04:50
randabisbetter :p04:50
GammaRaywhat does the left most column mean in dpkg -l?04:52
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yokomo_how does one install fluxbox?04:54
yokomo_I did the apt-get install fluxbox04:54
yokomo_but it says another window manager is already running04:54
yokomo_what window manager would that be?04:55
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hacimhuh, xine sorta works now, but it sucks as a movie player04:56
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jdubhacim: use totem-xine04:56
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hacimjdub: I'll try that04:56
hacimjdub: if I install totem-xine, it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop!04:57
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crimsunjdub: that's fine.04:57
crimsunerr04:57
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crimsunsorry jdub :)04:57
crimsunhacim: that's fine.04:57
hacimit is?04:57
jdubhacim: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package04:57
hacimok04:57
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koko775i'm having trouble with ubuntu04:58
hacimand its fine it removes totem-gstreamer?04:58
jdubhacim: it'll annoy you a bit when doing upgrades, but just try to install u-d every now and then and see what's missing04:58
jdubhacim: yes04:58
koko775i just installed hoary, and sudo isn't working04:58
randabismaybe you aren't in the sudousers group04:58
koko775that's what it says04:58
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hacimjdub: if i could get vlc to work with esd I would be happy04:58
koko775and i can't use root04:59
koko775obviously04:59
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koko775how do i make myself a sudouser?04:59
koko775does it require rebooting into single user mode?04:59
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hacimjdub: how do I make totem-xine use esd?05:00
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riplakishit works!05:00
shantanuis there any good email client with ubuntu other than evolution?05:00
riplakishi changed the Drver from "ati" to "fglrx" in xorg.conf and that did the trick05:00
crimsunmozilla-thunderbird05:00
DonLI like thunderbird05:01
hacimcrimsun: totem-xine seems to play movies, but sound doesn't work05:01
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shantanucrimsun: is it in default installation?05:01
crimsunhacim: what's the sound configured as?05:01
randabishmm I'm not getting any sound in flash movies05:01
koko775eh05:01
koko775how do i make myself a sudouser?05:01
crimsunshantanu: no.05:01
randabisrip told ya that was the problem :p05:02
DonLshantanu, I think it's in mine, but it may be from another repository05:02
hacimcrimsun: in totem?05:02
crimsunhacim: totem-xine05:02
shantanuhow do I install it?05:02
hacimcrimsun: maybe I am running just totem05:02
hacimcrimsun: I see no executable by the name of totem-xine05:03
HrdwrBoBtotem-xine is the package05:03
crimsunthe executable is totem05:03
HrdwrBoBit replaces the 'totem' executable05:03
jdubhacim: ~/.gnome2/totem_config05:03
riplakishonly problem now is that my Screen Resolution is like "1280x1024" and I cant change it.  the "Screen Resoltion" app doesn't work now05:03
DonLkoko775, just type sudo <command>05:03
DonLthen answer with your personal password05:03
koko775DonL: i just said, I *can't*05:03
koko775it says i'm not allowed to sudo05:03
jdub#audio.driver:auto05:03
jdubhacim: ^ uncomment that, change auto to esd05:04
koko775this is a fresh install of the current hoary iso05:04
DonLkoko775, sorry, I just came in here and missed the first part05:04
crimsunshantanu: just install it using synaptic or aptitude05:04
Scooterhoary has ISO?05:04
yokomo_so, can anyone help me get fluxbox to work?05:04
hacimjdub: perfect, thanks it works05:04
crimsunshantanu: the package name is 'mozilla-thunderbird'05:04
koko775Scooter: yes, through jigdo05:04
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Scooternice 8)05:05
crimsunyokomo_: what's not working?05:05
DonLHas anyone tried enemy territories?05:05
ScooterI am just getting it from warty.. i wish i had ISO... this is pain in the A$$05:05
yokomo_crimsun, I try to run fluxbox but it says there is another manager running05:05
koko775what i'm trying to do is rsync with the ubuntu servers and then transplant the HD to my school05:06
koko775of which there are a few computers running ubuntu05:06
crimsunyokomo_: are you trying to run fluxbox from within GNOME? If so, you should exit GNOME and choose Fluxbox at the login screen.05:06
yokomo_from the login screen... right05:07
yokomo_ok05:07
randabishmm...still haven't figured out this problem yet05:07
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koko775i guess nobody cares05:09
koko775sheesh05:09
DonLanyway, seems Enemy Territory installed nicely, but it reboots my machine every time I try to run it. Any ideas?05:09
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SulimoPerhaps someone can help me out here. I did an ubuntu install and it went mostly smoothly except for the ISA sound card which it didnt detect at all. Is there any way to make it work?05:11
regeyawow, an ISA sound card!05:11
DonLI used to have one of those05:11
regeyais this perhaps an old card that requires a nice DOS util to set up (in lieu of jumpers)05:12
crimsunSulimo: which card?05:12
DonLI had to run sndconf all the time. Mind you, that was with an old rpm distro05:12
regeyaI had an old logitech, a no-jumper pre-PnP model like that.05:12
Sulimoits an old soundblaster 16 clone.05:12
DonLYeah. That's what I had05:12
crimsunSulimo: a true sb16 clone or a crappy emulator than only does 8-bit?05:13
regeyano help here...never had a sb16 isa. :-(05:13
crimsunthat^05:13
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crimsunSulimo: lspnp05:13
Sulimoa true clone05:13
crimsundon't paste here.05:13
crimsunSulimo: if it's a true clone, then `sudo modprobe snd-sb16'05:14
DonLI remember once 2.4.3 I think it was arrived, I didn't have to re-install it all the time05:14
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randabisgrr wish I could get this no sound in flash problem sorted out05:14
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crimsunrandabis: are you using esd?05:14
adoyretsamoner StolenShoeBox will be dumped...05:14
shantanubbl05:14
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pantz_whats the difference between multiverse and universe in sources.lst05:15
StolenShoeBoxadoyretsamon, huh?05:15
regeyarequest:  make esd optional in hoary plsthx (unless I just had random cruft in my old home dir that caused that to happen on my warty install, in which case nevermind)05:15
adoyretsamonyou just logged in and out 3 times... that's all05:15
crimsunpantz_: multiverse includes non-free and contrib components05:15
jiveraUgh, I hate windows' installer... "grah, you want to create a partition to install Windows in? Surely you want all of the available free space!"05:15
adoyretsamonlol05:16
crimsunpantz_: additionally, it merges external sources05:16
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regeyawell, you have to admit, jivera, that most people want to take up all available free space05:16
pantz_so with multiverse I can get mplayer?05:16
regeyait's less confusing to the average user05:16
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ScooterMy cavorite installers for HD are KANOTIX, you can surf net, or play solitare from live CD while it iinstalls....05:16
Scooterfavorite05:16
pantz_crimsun, if i enable multiverse - does that cover all of universe too then?05:17
Sulimocrimsun: Tried it. I get a 'no such device' error.05:17
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crimsunpantz_: no, you need to enable multiverse _and_ universe.05:17
pantz_crimsun, is that wise?05:17
Scooter:( is current kernel 2.6.10?05:17
crimsunpantz_: depends on what _you_ want05:17
crimsunScooter: in Hoary, yes.05:18
ScooterThanks :)05:18
regeyaguh05:18
pantz_crimsun, mplayer :)05:18
ScooterI was getting nervous there :)05:18
crimsunSulimo: are you absolutely positive it's a true clone?05:18
crimsunpantz_: you can use marillat's repo for it.05:18
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pantz_crimsun, and tuxpaint :P05:18
pantz_crimsun, and the codecs like xvid, divx?05:19
crimsunpantz_: tuxpaint is in 'universe'05:19
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esachas anybody gotten debian-marillat to work recently, it wont connect for me05:19
crimsunpantz_: codecs are in marillat's repo.05:19
randabiscrimsun, yes I am using esd05:19
Sulimocrimsun: I always thought it was. Is there a way to tell?05:19
randabissorry it took so long, I've been looking for a solution05:19
pantz_crimsun, you da man - thanks heaps05:19
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crimsunrandabis: did you set FIREFOX_DSP in ~/.mozilla-firefoxrc?05:19
randabisno, I'll try that..do I set it to esd?05:19
crimsunrandabis: please read /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox/README.Debian05:19
randabisok05:20
crimsun[esddsp] 05:20
randabisthx05:20
themimei just installed ubuntu but for some reason (probaby my cdrom drive or the cd itself), the GRUB loader did not load (but LILO did), is this going to effect me at all?05:20
themimedid not load = did not install05:20
crimsunesac: works fine here.05:20
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Scooterthis new XFce is Soooo Nice!!!05:20
crimsunSulimo: lspnp, as I stated above. :-)05:20
elocalanyone running gnomebaker?05:20
regeyawhat's great about the new version, Scooter?05:20
crimsunScooter: it is nice.05:20
Scooter4.205:20
KlementasI just installed Ubuntu and I'm wondering what everyone uses to configure the runlevels?05:21
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regeyarunlevels are confusing05:21
Scooteri am installing Xorg on other system, I cant wait to see dropshadows under windows 8)05:21
randabiswhere is .mozilla-firefoxrc located? /home? if so, I don't have one05:21
wapowellhi05:21
regeyamaybe for grumpy the system could adopt singleuser and multiuser05:21
themimethats another question i have too, what are runlevels?05:21
regeyaand nothing else05:21
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esacok got it, mustve been a temporary thing05:22
KlementasI could just delete the symlinks by hand, but I'm hoping that there is a graphical prog for setting runlevels05:22
Sulimocrimsun: opening it up. It has a vibra 16 on the card.05:22
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Klementaswhy does Ubuntu's version of gnome not have the services-admin prog?05:23
crimsunSulimo: then it's not true PnP05:23
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DonLvibra always worked well for me, Sulimo05:23
crimsunSulimo: and you need to use `sudo modprobe snd-sb16 isapnp=0'05:23
KlementasI can't find any docs on this either, can any one point me to docs on configuring runlevels?05:23
themimeditto05:24
crimsunKlementas: Ubuntu, like Debian, does not play the runlevel game. 2->5 are equivalent.05:24
themime"no more processes left in this runlevel" ?05:24
regeyacrimsun, I think he's meaning adding/removing services, crimsun.05:24
crimsunKlementas: update-rc.d05:25
Klementascrimsun, yes, I see that, but how do I turn on and off services?05:25
regeyaunintuitive05:25
crimsunKlementas: /etc/init.d/something stop05:25
randabiscrimsun, I'm still not getting any sound in flash movies after changing mozillafirefoxrc05:25
regeyasomeone should remove runlevel services until that's fixed05:25
crimsunregeya: what's broken?05:26
randabisI restarted firefox05:26
crimsunrandabis: did you set FIREFOX_DSP=esddsp in ~/.mozilla-firefoxrc ?05:26
randabisyes05:26
DonLWell, night folks!05:26
regeyano intuitive way of adding and removing services if so desired05:26
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crimsunregeya: patches are welcome.05:27
Klementascrimsun, so there's no graphical version of update-rc.d ?05:27
crimsunrandabis: and if it's set to "auto" or "none"?05:27
esachas anybody installed mplayer ? synaptic is complaining about libartsc0 libfribidi0 libggi2 libpng12-0 and libungif4g .. how do i resolve those ?05:27
randabisit was set to auto already, I'll try none05:27
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crimsunesac: add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://www.sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./05:28
crimsunesac: then update and install an mplayer package05:28
randabisnope05:28
randabisstill no sound05:28
crimsunrandabis: for either value?05:28
crimsun(or any of the three, rather)05:29
randabisany of them05:29
randabisI've tried them all05:29
crimsunKlementas: I'm not familiar with one, but that doesn't mean one doesn't exist. Try searching via Google.05:29
crimsunrandabis: sorry, I don't know offhand then.05:29
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randabis:( thanks for trying at any rate05:30
crimsunesac: what cpu do you have?05:30
Klementascrimsun, gnome comes with one, but it's not installed by ubuntu05:30
randabisesd is running, I know that much, and sound in general is working05:30
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esaccrimsun, p405:31
bj_can anyone help me build something from source05:31
bj_?05:31
froustIs there a way I can reinstall hoary overtop of my hoary install?05:31
crimsunesac: then install mplayer-68605:31
froust(I have some sort of messed up dependency problem)05:31
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DarkPPPPhey, are ubuntu still having that deal where they send you out a free cd05:32
esaccrimsun, mplayer-686:05:32
esac Depends: mplayer-586 but it is not going to be installed05:32
crimsunDarkPPPP: yes, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/05:32
Klementascrimsun, it usually comes with gnome-system-tools, which ubuntu has, but without the services admin part05:32
esacdoes that mean i need to mark 586 as well ?05:32
trey3DarkPPPP, yes afaik...05:32
crimsunesac: did you add the deb line I gave you?05:32
esacit says 686 is a transitional package that should be removed05:32
esaccrimsun, i did, it fixes the errors05:32
esacshould i remove marillat ?05:32
crimsunesac: no, you need to keep that.05:33
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crimsunesac: mplayer-586 should suffice.05:33
esack05:33
froustCan anyone help me?05:33
crimsunesac: please direct all questions regarding those packages on www.sh.nu to me.05:33
crimsunfroust: what are you attempting to build?05:33
bj_Im trying to build expocity.I did configure, make, and make install. but i see no binaries05:33
froustcrimsun: I've broken gnome somehow05:34
froustI logged in to no menu (on the panel)(05:34
froustand I had this happen before when I upgraded my kernel to a k805:34
froustI fixed it by removing gnome-applets and gnome-panel05:35
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froustbut when i try to reinstall gnome-applets i get a dependency error (can't install x because it needs y, can't install y because it needs x)05:35
froustI think it requires previous versions of each though05:35
froustWhich is confusing05:35
crimsunfroust: have you reinstalled gnome-panel, gnome-panel-data, and gnome-applets, and gnome-applets-data?05:36
froustI can't install gnome-applets05:36
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froustor gnome-applets data05:36
froustit requires x.x.x.ubuntu2 and i have x.x.x.ubuntu305:37
froustfg05:37
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crimsunfroust: have you updated?05:37
froustYup05:37
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crimsunfroust: recently?05:37
froustlike an apt-get update? several times05:37
aetheramorning05:37
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crimsunfroust: within the last 5 minutes?05:38
froustnope05:38
crimsunfroust: it upgrades fine for me.05:38
froustcrimsun - i just did an update/upgrade, and nothing new was d/l'd05:39
froustI have no idea what's wrong05:40
Arkainiumis it really worth while to limit yourself to the main/restricted repositories?  my main concern is I don't want to make it any harder to upgrade to future releases.05:40
froustI'm about to reinstall I think.05:41
crimsunfroust: you don't need to reinstall.05:41
froustis there any way i can completely remove everything to do with gnome and reinstall it all/05:41
crimsunfroust: what errors (paste to pastebin.com) do you get when you try to install those four packages?05:41
Klementaswhat is causing the ton of kenel modules to be loaded on startup, and how can I configure this??05:41
froustI'm stuck in tty105:41
froustCan't copy/paste05:42
esac/boot/grub doesnt exist, why is it missing ?05:42
froustcrimsun - i'll copy it verbatim... I don't have any problems with gnome-panel stuff05:42
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ArkainiumKlementas, i think that's the auto loading mechanism.  the only way I know around it is to compile a custom kernel or get rid of the program and load the modules yourself05:43
KlementasArkainium, ok05:43
KlementasArkainium, but I've compiled a ton of kernels with modules and they never loaded up05:44
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KlementasArkainium, things are getting loaded that don't exist on my box, like xfs, etc.05:44
KlementasArkainium, something is loading this stuff up on boot05:44
jackmacokci'm having some trouble getting my sata drive to mount at boot http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5082505:45
st3v3nwow, this chan has grown since i was here last05:45
st3v3nis ubuntu a major distro yet? :P05:45
Sulimocrimsun: well I tried the `sudo modprobe snd-sb16 isapnp=0' command. It seemed to work. But when I try to play music through xmms I get no sound. One other problem. During startup there are constant pauses with errors like 'HDA not ready' showing. It does eventually load though (well aside form the sound issue).05:46
Scooteryes Ubuntu is major Distro, more hits per day than GENTOO05:46
st3v3nserious?05:46
CKKnightst3v3n: go to www.distrowatch.com to see05:46
st3v3njust did, it's #705:46
st3v3nthat's amazing, ubuntu really is a great distro05:46
ArkainiumKlementas, sorry, not sure what to tell you.  :P  for me though, it autoloads modules from my custom kernels too05:46
st3v3nubuntu feels like debian + slackware to me05:47
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KlementasArkainium, that's what I"m saying, there is something about the ubuntu bootup that's doing this, other distros don't do this05:48
trey3st3v3n, speed of slack + convenience of debian?05:48
jackmacokcubuntu is my first real attempt at using unix..i love it so far05:48
st3v3ntrey: convience of slack, and debian's package manager :P05:48
st3v3nconvenience*05:48
st3v3nhowever you spell it05:48
trey3st3v3n, I've never found Slack convenient  :/05:49
GammaRayhow many people *are* in here? I have turned off the count in irssi cux it's so slow.05:49
daniels278 by my reckoning05:49
trey3st3v3n, clean... fast... sure... but convenient?05:49
st3v3ntrey: it's just easy to use, quick to install and setup05:49
st3v3nthat's convenient for me05:49
st3v3nnot alot of the bullshit like drake and fedora05:49
Pluklol if you check distrowatch and set it to 1 month then Ubuntu gets more hits the debian and fedora05:50
st3v3nit'll be top five by next month i bet05:50
trey3Pluk, but if you do that... Mepis is #1... so that should tell you how trustworthy that is  :P05:50
Plukits 4 now.. :)05:50
st3v3nif not #105:50
Plukhehe lol05:51
st3v3nahh it is, i had 6 months on05:51
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jackmacokcso could anyone spare a minute to help me out on this serial ata mounting problem?05:51
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Plukjackmacokc, is it your bootHD?05:52
jackmacokcpluk, no its not05:52
jackmacokcwell05:53
jackmacokcpluk, actually, yes i think it is05:53
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setitehey05:53
Pluklol05:53
jackmacokcheh05:53
trey3jackmacokc, make up your mind  :P05:53
setiteanyone know a good photo that i can use for cellphone wallpaper?05:53
jackmacokclol05:53
jackmacokcsorry, its kinda a weird setup..this dell treats sata drives like no other05:53
Plukdoes the installer detects it?05:54
jackmacokchttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5082505:54
Pluklemme ee :)05:54
Pluksee*05:54
jackmacokci have it setup correctly i believe05:54
jackmacokcbut it doesnt mount at bootup05:54
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setiteanyone know a good UBUNTU photo that i can use for cellphone wallpaper?05:55
trey3jackmacokc, does it give any errors? or just doesn't load?05:55
Plukjackmacokc, what does cat /proc/partitions say05:55
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jackmacokcit says "mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist"05:55
jackmacokcthey are listed, want me to paste here?05:56
zenroxno jackmacokc05:56
Plukhttp://www.pastebin.com/ paste it there05:56
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zenroxuse pastebin.com05:56
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jackmacokchttp://www.pastebin.com/23023105:57
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bj_has anyone here ever played with expocity05:58
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bj_??05:59
HrdwrBoByeah05:59
HrdwrBoBit's irritating05:59
HrdwrBoBit takes over alt-tab05:59
bj_thats what i hear05:59
HrdwrBoBand it can be sloooow05:59
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bj_i built it from source. it it a modified meacity?05:59
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bj_cause i dont see a seperate program05:59
Plukjackmacokc, so when in X you can mount the drives correctly06:00
Plukbut not auto from within fstab06:00
xBrianxcould somebody give me a hand?  I'm trying to get totem-xine to play dvd's.  I've followed all the docs online, and installed dvdcss and all.  But Totem itself doesn't offer a menu option to play a DVD.  Any ideas?06:00
ScooterJust got done APT-geting hoary from warty... Should I have Xfree installed now or Org by default?06:00
HrdwrBoBbj_: yes, ut us06:00
jackmacokcpluk, yes..when i sudo mount -a they pop up just fine06:00
HrdwrBoBit is06:00
Scooterx.org I mean06:01
bj_HrdwrBoB, so is there an easy way to make ubuntu use the modified metacity?06:01
PlukX.org06:01
Scooterindeed, Doi have X.org now or Xfree?06:01
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trey3Scooter, you will need to apt-get install xorg-common ...06:01
Plukah no i mean install X.org :D06:01
HrdwrBoBbj_: backup the current metacity binary and drop the new on ein06:01
HrdwrBoBone in06:01
ScooterOk, I look at wiki06:02
trey3Scooter, either that or xserver-xorg06:02
esacwhen compiling some things (hsetroot), they require x header files.. what do i install for those ?06:02
trey3Scooter, the deps don't want to take usually when dist-upgrading for whatever reason...06:02
ScooterThanks trey3 :)06:02
bj_HrdwrBoB,  oh, I dont need to worry about all those extrta files?06:02
randabislinux-headers probably esac06:02
Plukjackmacokc, its weird and i really dunno06:02
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Pluksorry06:02
randabiserr maybe not06:02
randabisthink I misread06:02
jackmacokcpluk, np...but it looks like i have it setup right doesn't it?06:02
Plukyeah looks ok to me06:03
jackmacokchmm..thats what i thought06:03
jackmacokcare serial ata devices loaded as modules?06:03
Pluklooks like your sata disk is detected after the the partitions are mounted from within fstab?06:04
jackmacokcthats what i'm thinking06:04
jackmacokcjust dont know how to fix it06:04
jackmacokci would think serial ata filesytsems would be loaded at the same time as all the others06:05
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Pluksame here :D06:05
Plukthats why its odd06:05
Evil_JokaHello06:05
Plukhiya Evil_Joka06:06
jackmacokci guess i could always write a script or something to mount them later06:06
jackmacokchave it run further in the bootup process06:06
Plukthats alway a possibility06:06
Plukbut would be nice to fix the source :)06:07
jackmacokcindeed06:07
Pluktry digging into your logs06:07
jackmacokczerokarmaleft and i have been working on it but neither of us can figure it out06:07
jackmacokcwhich log should i look at?06:07
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Pluk.. /var/log/kern.log and dmesg prolly06:08
da_bon_bonhow do i get amr working in xine / mplayer ?06:11
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jackmacokcpluk, taken from log http://www.pastebin.com/23023806:13
trey3Ahh... all of Ubuntu's GNOME mods are going into mainstream?06:13
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Plukcan you paste the whole log in there06:14
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jackmacokcif it will let me..hold on06:15
Plukeeu i mean just 1 whole boot log06:15
Neo_654Hello.  I just updated my Kernel to k7 and now I have a calendar on my desktop.  Can anyone tell me how to get rid if it?06:15
bj_HrdwrBoB, she locked hard oh well. too tired for this now06:15
HrdwrBoBbj_: hehe oops06:15
trey3Neo_654, right click isn't enlightening?06:15
bj_HrdwrBoB,  I will beat it. just not now lol06:16
Neo_654trey3, No it isn't.06:16
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trey3bj_, too much info  ;P06:16
bj_haHAI was thinking that! ewwww06:16
trey3Neo_654, you mean popping out of the date applet?06:16
trey3Neo_654, click the date applet06:16
Neo_654trey3: I can click it and make it active but I can't right click and get any options06:17
trey3Neo_654, Is it below the clock applet, yes or no?06:18
jackmacokcplak, http://www.pastebin.com/23024206:18
Neo_654Yes06:18
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trey3Neo_654, click the date.06:18
tritiumNothing like free wifi in the San Jose Convention Center :)06:18
Neo_654LMAO  Dang I thought I did that once.06:18
trey3Neo_654, the part thats on the panel.06:18
Neo_654Thank you it was making a little upset.06:18
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tritiumI keep getting badsig on Marillat's repository when I apt-get update.06:21
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__learner__hi everyone. I want to install nvidia drivers but I having trouble. Can anyone help me with that?06:23
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jackmacokcplak, did you notice that it didnt do anything with the serial ata until after libata was loaded? i wonder if that might be the culprit06:24
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zenrox__learner__,  look in www.ubuntuquide.org and follow the instructions06:25
Plukjackmacokc, http://www.pastebin.com/230247 here you can see i get sda sda1 sda2 etc after my drive gets detected06:26
Plukdifference is that i have my sata driver compiled in the kernel instead as a module06:26
jackmacokcah06:27
F4Ridhi im trying to install ubuntu on a 333mhz amd and the installation is stuck on the "configuring the network with dhcp" it has been on that window for about 15mins now06:27
jackmacokcyes, we were considering that earlier today...figured we might have to do a recompile06:27
Plukgreat learning process :D06:27
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jackmacokci've never done anything like that before though, so hopefully i can figure it out06:27
__learner__zenrox:  I did that, but the driver is getting a very bad performance06:28
jackmacokcany pointers or good resources for doing that?06:29
__learner__Doom II Demo is running very very badly06:29
Plukif you do its easiest not to use initrd and make sure you have your sata and ata drivers and drivers for the filesystems compiled in the kernel06:29
zenrox__learner__,  thats all i know06:29
__learner__Any one installed the drivers from nvidia site?06:29
F4Ridcould it be that the network card i havein there isn't supported? i have a netgear fs310tx in there which i have read is supported by some linux flavors06:29
zenroxdo you have dri and glx enabled in your xserv conf file06:29
jackmacokcyes, we were considering initrd, but figured it was just easier to go ahead and do a recompile..you agree?06:29
Pluki agree06:29
Pluki compile my kernels all the time :) just because of my sata drive (boot drive)06:30
jackmacokcok, i'll tell zerokarmaleft..he'll help me get it recompiled..i'm still a noob obviously06:30
jackmacokcbut thanks for your help pluk, much appreciated06:30
Plukyour welcome good luck!06:30
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jackmacokcthanks, i'll probably need it :) i'm outta here06:31
trey3I don't know... perhaps its a bad habit... but I'm sure I'm not the only one that does it...06:31
icerogueis there any way to set my system with a static ip with out using ifconfig?06:31
__learner__let me check tose06:31
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__learner__yes they are enabled, and so many others too.06:32
trey3icerogue, not sure in warty... in hoary... there is a networking configuration tool...06:32
iceroguepart of gnome?06:32
__learner__also RenderAccel and NvAGP are enabled06:32
iceroguei am using fluxbox06:32
trey3icerogue, if its there... it will be in Computer > System Configuration ...06:32
__learner__but I still get bad performance.06:33
trey3icerogue, yes... gnome-system-tools...06:33
trey3icerogue, eh06:33
trey3icerogue, see... thats your fault...06:33
iceroguetrey3: its a server so i need to save space and cycles06:33
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trey3icerogue, you don't know about /etc/network/interfaces but are running a server?06:34
__learner__driver is nvidia, shouldn't it be nv?06:34
trey3__learner__, the FOSS driver for it is, yes06:34
HrdwrBoBtrey3: hooray06:34
trey3HrdwrBoB, ?06:34
HrdwrBoBn/m06:34
__learner__What is FOSS?06:35
trey3HrdwrBoB, k..  :)06:35
trey3__learner__, Free and Open Source Software06:35
__learner__sorry06:35
trey3__learner__, basically... not the official driver...06:35
__learner__if Ienable that I will gain any performane?06:35
__learner__if Ienable that I will gain any performance?06:35
iceroguetrey3: yeah i know i should learn more but i have forgotten alot in 3 years06:35
trey3__learner__, if you use nvidia's drivers, you will... yes06:35
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__learner__so the official driver is "nv", and the open source altenative is "nvidia"?06:36
gabaugkkk06:36
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trey3__learner__, other way around06:36
trey3__learner__, you have to install the nvidia driver though... its not there by default...06:37
akurashyis there a audio driver ? im using a msi nforce 2 nvidia :(06:37
trey3gabaug, yeah... don't do that again...06:37
akurashyand i cant heard a thing06:37
__learner__how can I do that?06:37
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trey3__learner__, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto06:38
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__learner__other question, how can I set the default kernell to be loaded on GRUB?06:39
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__learner__I installed a k7 kernell and wnat to use it as default.06:39
trey3__learner__, via '/boot/grub/menu.lst06:40
trey3__learner__, however... new kernels are used by default anyways...06:40
__learner__are you sure "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx" will install the same drivers from nvidia site.06:41
__learner__?06:41
trey3__learner__, yes06:41
zenroxyep06:41
__learner__then why I'm having so bad performance.06:41
trey3__learner__, did you do what it says?06:42
__learner__yes06:42
trey3__learner__, and X is now set to use 'nvidia'?06:42
__learner__Yes I did06:42
__learner__yes06:42
__learner__nvidia06:42
trey3__learner__, and you restarted X?06:42
__learner__yes06:42
trey3__learner__, no idea then06:42
__learner__alt+control+backspace isn't it?06:42
trey3__learner__, yup06:42
zenroxisint spost to use nv for a driver in x.conf file06:43
__learner__yes I did it.06:43
Ribs__learner__, dri needs to be commented out from your config06:43
trey3zenrox, no... nv is the xorg free driver...06:43
zenroxoh06:43
zenroxdid not know that06:43
zenroxi lernt some thing heheheheh06:43
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zenroxhehehehe06:44
__learner__so I need to remove dri06:44
__learner__?06:44
trey3__learner__, yup06:45
__learner__lol!06:45
__learner__tx a lot Il try06:45
trey3__learner__, nvidia does opengl on card...06:45
__learner__I'll try06:45
randabisyeah nvidia doesn't use dri06:45
__learner__understood06:45
__learner__what is DRI?  some kind of software opengl renderer?06:45
zenroxdirect rendering interface06:45
trey3__learner__, thats as much as you need to know... yes  :)06:45
__learner__I just need to put a # on the start of the "Load   dri" line.06:46
__learner__what is DRI? now I curious.06:46
trey3__learner__, yes... near the top and bottem06:46
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trey3__learner__, see what me and zenrox just said...06:46
zenroxdri is for 3d excell on card that support dri06:46
trey3www.dri.org if you want to know more06:47
__learner__understoof, so DRI is another api?06:47
zenroxspecaly on built in vid cards like mine i845g/gl06:47
martokHey guys.06:47
__learner__understood06:47
zenroxhi marcus|06:47
__learner__heym that link is not the same dri we are talking about.06:47
zenroxmartok,06:47
randabisI like how much easier warty and hoary have made installing nvidia drivers though. I don't see why you needed to get them from nvidia directly06:48
GrevI want to install totem-xine, but that will remove Ubuntu Desktop, how bad is that?06:48
RibsGrev, it's a meta-package06:48
randabisit's just a meta-package Grev, no harm done06:48
zenroxGrev, get gxine insted06:48
randabisyeah I like gxine better personally06:48
zenroxme too06:48
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__learner__gxine works good here. totem does not06:49
__learner__I don't understand why, since they are just GUI's for xine.06:49
zenroxgxine works better the mplayer mho06:49
randabisyeah06:49
zenroxbut i do have bolth installed just in case one wont play some thing06:50
randabisif they use the same codecs then why would one play a file and the other not play it?06:51
zenroxuser error06:51
zenrox??06:51
zenroxhehehe06:51
randabis:p06:51
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yoko_I need some help here06:51
zenroxalso some of the codeechs work better in one than thay do in the other06:52
yoko_I installed fluxbox and checked metacity06:52
zenroxwas up yoko_06:52
Grevthanks for the info06:52
yoko_now I cannot click on anything06:52
zenroxhmm fluxbox users decend on yoko_06:52
yoko_when I minimize everything goes to the bottom right corner but there isn't a way for me to maximize06:52
GrevI'm quickly becoming a Ubuntu convert from Fedora06:52
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zenroxGrev,  i cam from mdk 10.006:52
zenroxubuntu is far sepior to any thang out thare06:53
randabisI came from gentoo06:53
zenroxeww all that time wasted on compiling stuff06:53
Grevrandabis: I like Gentoo, but got sick of compiling:)06:53
randabisbut I've used other distros as well06:53
randabisheh EXACTLY06:54
yoko_so, no one can help newb me, huh?06:54
martokYeah, I was going to install Gentoo but I didn't feel like compiling it.06:54
__learner__I'll restart.06:54
zenroxit took me 2 weeks to get it the way i liked it06:54
__learner__Will be back soon.06:54
martokUbuntu rules.06:54
zenroxyep06:54
randabishoary rules :p06:54
martok?06:55
yoko_...06:55
randabissorry yoko, I'd help you out if I could06:55
Grevrandabis: Hoary will rule in 2-3 monthes:)06:55
zenroxhoary rules is your willing to deal with the probs it causes at time06:55
zenroxis = if06:55
Ribsmartok, Hoary is Ubuntu's unstable branch :)06:55
icerogueyeah i was originally going to use slack for my sever but i decided i like apt-get too much06:55
martokOh.06:55
martokI've never had a serious problem with Ubuntu.06:55
iceroguethe onlything better in my opinion is maybe gentoo06:55
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martokThe only problem I've had with Ubuntu was getting the Live CD to boot on my laptop.06:56
Ribsit's the kind of thing that people switch to, then come in here and complain that their system is broken06:56
zenroxicerogue,  ubuntu infected 2 boxes on my network soon 1 more to add to the list06:56
zenroxthe ubuntu virus infected my network06:56
iceroguecustom install is great06:56
martokDid you notice Ubuntu is gaining rank on distrowatch.org?06:56
zenroxyep06:56
randabislawl06:56
zenroxmartok,  yep06:56
Grevyup06:56
martokI hope it beats Mandrake, haha.06:56
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randabisdoubt it will, mandrake has too many fanboys06:57
zenroxit will06:57
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martokLOL, Mandrake fan boys.06:57
zenroxmdk has a fourm for ubuntu06:57
Grevmy laptop: Ubuntu Warty + Hoary Kernel (2.6.10) + Backports06:57
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martokAnybody still use normal Debian?06:58
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zenroxubuntu is debian06:58
randabisdebian's too outdated for me :p06:58
randabismeaning official debian06:58
stuNNedmartok, lol :)06:58
Xenguymartok: yes06:58
martokYeah I know. I mean official Debian.06:58
martokHa.06:58
martokYeah it does seem outdated.06:59
Xenguyzenrox: and debian != ubuntu (with all due respect :-)06:59
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martokCompared to Ubuntu and stuff.06:59
martokThat's not equal right?06:59
zenroxXenguy,  just that ubuntu is newer stuff06:59
stuNNedis there ubuntebian?06:59
Xenguymartok: I run sid on my old desktop06:59
martokCool.07:00
stuNNedor debuntu?07:00
martokHey, would Ubuntu make a good web/ftp/mail server?07:00
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Tomcat_Sure martok.07:00
Xenguyzenrox: definitely - but if one runs 'sid/unstable' on debian (without breaking stuff - knock on wood), then one gets the latest/greatest also07:00
Grevmartok: as any linux distro07:00
duckwaltzhello, I'm having a problem with my installation and could use some assistance07:00
duckwaltzany help is appreciated, at your leisure07:01
zenroxXenguy,  true enuf07:01
Tomcat_duckwaltz: Just ask your questions right away.07:01
duckwaltznod07:01
iceroguemartok: i am setting that up right now07:01
zenroxXenguy,  but hows brave enuf07:01
zenroxhows= whos07:01
martokWow, cool.07:01
iceroguemartok: its fine, just install using custom config if you have low resorces07:02
martokI've been using FreeBSD for awhile but I wanna try out Ubuntu as a server.07:02
duckwaltzI get to 8% of installing base system. "Retreiving bsdutils" then the installer reports that "The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1)."07:02
duckwaltzI can get no further than that07:02
Guardianntada sound is working :)07:02
duckwaltzI'm curious what the problem is and how I go about correcting it07:02
martokCool, thanks for the advice icerogue.07:02
Xenguyzenrox: me :-)  Once you know what yer doing, it's not so hard -- having said that, I am very impressed with Ubuntu, and will continue to follow it closely07:02
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zenroxXenguy,  i ant new to the linux block (rh 7.0-7.2 mdk 9.0-10.1 gentoo(once) suse 9.2(something like that) and finaly ubuntu warty and hoary(this one is my fav))07:04
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zenroxi agree07:04
zenroxnone of the stuff i have tried dont come as close07:04
aardvark?07:05
duckwaltz"/var/log/messages says "Read error: Input/output error"07:05
zenroxduckwaltz,  test your cd and see if its good07:05
duckwaltzhow do I do a CD test?07:05
duckwaltzI've tried two different installation medias07:05
zenroxhmm how fast are you burning it07:06
zenrox??07:06
Xenguyzenrox: a few years ago I got started with RedHat, and later switched to Debian... Ubuntu is the only thing that has made me turn my head to anything else (of course the fact it is based on Debian helps too :-)07:06
duckwaltzI ordered the CD07:06
zenroxXenguy,  ya07:06
duckwaltzchecking the integrity now07:06
zenroxduckwaltz,  some times the cd thay ship are broke07:06
randabisI think my first distro was mandrake 8.1...really can't remember07:06
setitedebian rocks07:06
zenroxi orded 4 of them and all 4 were bad in a diferent spot07:06
setiteubuntu rocks harder07:07
duckwaltzzenrox: that is sad to hear07:07
Xenguyzenrox: that sucks - mine were all good AFAIK07:07
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duckwaltzI ordered ten and handed them out to friends07:07
aardvark?07:07
Xenguyduckwaltz: me too :-)07:07
zenroxit happeds specaly since i am the usa and being shiped for switerland dint expect them to work07:08
duckwaltzXenguy: but mine may be broken now... two already have failed the integrity check07:08
zenroxmy nxt order when hoary comes out will be for 50 cds07:08
Xenguyduckwaltz: wow really07:08
xskoulaxhi all07:08
setitei ordered mine like 2 months ago07:08
setitehavent came yet07:08
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setitehell yea... when hoary comes out im making a big order too07:09
setiteive been handing them out at work07:09
zenroxme too i got a few friends that be wanting t try it07:09
xskoulaxanyone have anyidea how well the ppc version of ubuntu works, thinking the mac mini here07:09
duckwaltzI'll just have to download it for my personal use, hopefully when I order hoary the CDs will be good07:10
setiteif anyone knows an officemax employee or some other store get them to let you put them there07:10
setitethey have free aohell cds.... why not ubuntu07:10
zenroxduckwaltz,  you cant order hoary yet07:10
duckwaltzI meant when I do as in when I can07:11
zenroxlol07:11
setiteduck.,... i understood you07:11
duckwaltzsorry for the confusion :P07:11
zenroxi am easly confused07:11
zenroxmy bad07:11
zenroxlol07:11
setiteok07:11
kotauCamstream wants a threaded version of QT, which I have installed.  The problem is I need to set the QTPATH in a config file.  A search for qt gives me lots of files in; /var/lib/dpkg/info, /usr/lib, /usr/share, and /usr/share/doc.  I need help with the linux file structure, so which should the path's target be?07:11
setiteshit man we oughtta donate money so they can run a nytimes ad... like firefox did07:12
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zenroxya07:12
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zenroxreally07:12
setitewhat really helps.. like here in Vegas... there is some guy who writes columns07:12
setitehe got alot of people to try firefox07:13
setitepeople who arent smart enough to find it on their own07:13
xskoulaxsetite, thats a damn good idea actually07:13
zenroxcontact him setite07:13
kotausetite those are the people who have to read that column07:13
HrdwrBoBkotau: apt-get install camstream07:13
HrdwrBoBcamstream07:13
HrdwrBoBthat is what I did07:13
setiteyea it is07:13
setitei mean i think  ubuntu is strong enough07:14
setitewhat will hoary be07:14
setitebetter hardware support or what?07:14
zenroxsetite,  even warty is pretty close out of the box07:14
xskoulaxmore uptodate better hdware support07:14
HrdwrBoBsetite: better all round07:14
setiteyea it is...07:14
setitethanks... yea i was just not sure what the goal was07:14
setitewell as good as warty is... hoary, assuming they dont inadvertently break things, will be public ready07:15
setitesee the key difference, imo, is media support...07:15
zenroxyep07:15
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setiteas a noob with fedora i fought to get mp3 support07:15
zenroxthis makes it some what easer that froshure07:15
Lowryany ppc users with isight?07:16
xskoulaxyea media support is that one area that needs improving in the linux world07:16
kotauhrdwrbob; E: Couldn't find package camstream07:16
setiteyup07:16
setiteand not so much the actual support... but the out of box support07:16
HrdwrBoBkotau: do you have universe and multiverse07:16
Lowryworking or any way to get support?07:16
Lowryfor isight video?07:16
kotauhrdwrbob; I have universe enabled in synaptic07:16
setitekowtow07:16
xskoulaxLowry, not a ppc user but sounds like you are.  Any idea how the new mac mini would work with ubuntu?07:16
kotauaside from that I havent really used cli for package mgmnt.07:16
setitecli?07:17
LowryI have a g3 powerbook with 128 mb of ram07:17
kotaucommand line interface, setite07:17
sangriagI am quite confused whether the iso image for amd64 contains similar packages as in i386 image of ubuntu?07:17
Lowryubuntu is the best os ever to run on it07:17
zenroxcli- comand line interface07:17
setitedo they still not have a mac os to utilize the new hardware?07:17
duckwaltzso apparently all of my CDs I ordered are bunkum07:17
setitebunkum/07:17
zenroxsangriag, yes similer to i38607:17
setite?*07:17
duckwaltzbunk07:17
LowryI also have a power mac g4 with an ati 8500 (like the 9200)07:17
duckwaltzbotched07:18
duckwaltzcrap07:18
Lowryand os x runs well.07:18
setitebunk eh07:18
duckwaltzbroken07:18
duckwaltzfoobar07:18
setitebotched i understand07:18
zenroxduckwaltz,  d/l the iso and burn it at 4x07:18
zenroxno faster07:18
Lowryso g4 + good 9200 with 32 mb ram and ppc ubuntu should be great07:18
duckwaltzDownloading as we speak, good sir :P07:18
iceroguewhat is a good anti virus for linux?07:18
xskoulaxmy dad has g4 powerbook with 1.25gb osx is well MMMMMMMM07:18
Lowryif dri is working out of the cd07:18
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zenroxit will be broke if you burn the iso faster than 4x07:18
xskoulaxnice i might have to look at a mac mini at some point07:19
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Lowryppc linux is always good on older macs07:19
duckwaltzthanks for the help, fellows07:19
zenroxn/p duckwaltz07:19
Lowryno hd swapping all the time07:19
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xslou1axshit07:19
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LowryAsk - mb you cn install ubuntu on a shop Mac07:20
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Lowryand they wipe it lateer07:20
xskou1axmb you cn? dont be so lazy Lowry07:20
xskoulaxi'm thinking of getting that 20" iMac G5 but i would use osx mostly on that. but that mac mini would make a nice linux box i was thinking07:20
Lowryyou can have both on the same hd07:21
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Lowryos x and ubuntu07:21
xskou1axi miss that little space in time prior to windows xp where every shop had at least one linux PC07:21
Lowryas mac have open firmware07:21
esacwhere do i get aclocal from ?07:21
ScooterLiquor store07:22
xskou1axos x pfft07:22
xskoulaxyea i know you can dual boot no problems on mac07:22
martokI think Wallmart still carries Mandrake preinstalled PCs.07:22
xskou1axisnt that linux based anyway?07:22
xskoulaxbsd based07:22
xskou1axyea walmart has some shitty pc with linux on it07:22
xskou1axits linspire though07:22
martokLOL07:22
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Lowryand Apple gives back to the oos community07:22
xskou1axand its a VIA cpu07:22
xskoulaxdarwin is free07:22
xskoulaxjust not aqua07:22
raghui have ubuntu...printer gets paused now and then why....any idea?....i am running cups in local machine07:22
xskou1axso thats not a really good linux machine for the masses07:23
xskou1axthey need to stick and athlon xp in it07:23
xskou1axdarwin is free?07:23
xskoulaxmy dad got my younger brother an ibook for xmas and having used that and my dads powerbook i like it07:23
xskou1axwhat is darwin07:23
martokWTF uses VIA CPU's?07:23
Scooterwhat is the fun in buying a PC with linux already on it, I mean really where is the sport?!?!07:23
AmaranthLinux is seen as cheap.07:23
xskou1axmartok the walmart linux laptop07:23
xskoulaxxskou1ax, darwin is the core of osx07:23
AmaranthComputers that come loaded with Linux are slow, shitty, and cheap.07:24
Scooterhow much does the laptop cost?07:24
martokI think I used to see Linux as cheap when I didn't understand it.07:24
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xskou1axat the 400 or soemthign odd dollar pricepoint they could afford to put an amd cpu in it... but walmart is stupid and wants to make money07:24
xskoulaxwith out the nice apple wrapper on it07:24
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xskoulaxwithout07:24
xskoulaxeven ;p07:24
xskou1axlinux is cheap07:24
xskou1axmonetarily speaking07:24
Scooteryea, i build my own linux laptop07:24
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martokYeah, but that's not the type of cheap me and Amaranth meant I think.07:25
xskou1axyou cant build your own laptop07:25
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xskou1axwell you can try but there is nowhere i know of to buy a laptop shell07:25
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xskou1axi imagine that may be the only reason it is so crappy07:25
martokI'd rather just build a suitcase PC myself.07:25
xskou1axbut a desktop could be made real cheap07:25
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xskoulaxxskou1ax, i think you can get shells even but it would cost more to do it that way than to just by a laptop07:25
xskou1axand internet pc as they have been making07:25
AmaranthHP sells a laptop with Linux installed, otherwise you have to pay the Windows tax on every laptop except Apple ones07:26
Scooteryea, I saw slashdot PC for under 100 or 200$$07:26
xskou1axbut the time before windows xp that i think of was awesome because they had top of the line pcs loaded with mandrake linux07:26
Lowryhttp://www.apple.com/opensource/'07:26
Tridionasus sells barebones laptops07:26
Neo_654WallMart sells Linux Laptops too.  Don't remember the name.07:26
xskou1axit was when windows was sucking so bad that linux was actually seeing interest in local shops07:26
martokIs Penguin Computing still around?07:26
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xskou1axwho said that07:27
xskou1axabout walmart laptops07:27
sangriagI am lost: could anyone familiar with the contents of the amd64 iso image of the ubuntu? Is that same as that of i386 liveCD?07:27
Neo_654I did.07:27
xskou1axneo 654 or something07:27
Neo_654LOL07:27
Neo_654Let me find the link.07:27
xskou1axyou crazy... thats what we've been talking abotu for like 10 minutes07:27
xskou1axwe know07:27
xskou1axtridion07:27
PovRayManubuntu installer fails during the install :(07:27
xskou1axasus sells barebone laptops?07:28
Tridion ya07:28
xskou1axintel or amd07:28
Tridionintel07:28
Lowrydid the cd burn ok?07:28
Tridioncentrino07:28
Amaranthsangriag: only x86 has a live cd, the others only have installers07:28
xskou1axthats intel07:28
xskou1axok nvm07:28
xskou1axi was happy for about two seconds07:28
xskou1axi dont like intel though07:28
PovRayMancan i use the ubunutu live cd to do a proper install rather than use the install cd?07:28
Neo_654http://media.linspire.com/walmart/07:28
Tridionbarebones as in you add everything, proc, mem, hdd07:28
xskou1axneo07:28
Tridionbut the pentium m is a good proc unlike the p407:28
martokThere are only 2 Ubuntu distro CD's right? The install CD and a package CD?07:28
xskou1axthats what we've been talking abotu for like 10 minutes07:29
Tridiontho i do prefer the athlon xp/6407:29
xskou1axwe know abotu them07:29
Tridionk07:29
martokI read somewhere that there are 3 CDs.07:29
Tridionsorry just got here07:29
Amaranthmartok: I thought there was only one.07:29
martokBesides the Live CD.07:29
xskou1axtridion not you07:29
xskou1axi didnt know about those07:29
xskou1axim talkign to neo abotu the walmart laptop07:29
martokAmaranth: No, I downloaded 2 CDs.07:29
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xskou1axthe asus is news to me07:29
martokI think?07:29
xskou1axlivecd sucks07:30
kandinskihey, paul whalen here?07:30
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Neo_654Sorry I just got in here when I read that.07:30
xskou1axno problem neo07:30
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xskou1axthe livecd didnt work for me07:30
xskou1axim on windows atm because i cant get the cellphone programs to work on linux07:30
martokOops, my mistake.07:30
martokI only downloaded one.07:30
AmaranthThe Pentium M is a kick ass processor. 23 watts instead of the > 100 of the p4 and amd64 and it's almost as fast07:30
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Lowrythe M is for marketing07:30
kotauhooray it was in /usr/lib07:31
AmaranthLowry: Mobile....07:31
TridionAmaranth: i don't think the amd64 is in the same heat class as p407:31
PovRayManDetecting Hardware to find CD-Rom drives .. once it hits 100% it locks up and goes kernel panic, what gives?07:31
PovRayManwhen i alt-f4 it tells me user.notice cdrom-detect: searching for ubuntu installation on meida...07:31
PovRayManpause 30 seconds.. bunch of junk on the screen.. kernel panic07:32
Neo_654Heck I just had a bag full of Ubuntu CD's show up in my mail box and got bored saturday evening.  That is how I ended up with this new joy.07:32
Neo_654Opps wrong convo.07:32
xskou1axhttp://www.howardstern.com/04/01/14/11b.jpg07:32
PovRayManthe live cd works great, but the installer is dead07:32
PovRayMani can only run the live cd when i run "nodma" with it07:32
PovRayMancould this be why the installer is failing?07:32
esacwhere do i get aclocal from ?07:33
PovRayManI tried to run the installer with a nodma command but it doesn't seem tow ork07:33
xskou1axlivecd sucks07:33
PovRayManThanks07:33
martokI thought the Live CD was cool.07:33
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martokI tried it before I installed it.07:33
PovRayMansame here07:33
xskou1axi tried it... i was stuck in 800x600 the whole time07:33
martokI just couldn't get it to boot on my laptop.07:33
PovRayMannow i'm bummed that i can't install it07:33
xskoulaxxskou1ax, that livecd stopped windows killing over 10gb of data here07:33
Neo_654xslou1ax, a warning next time for something that ugly would be nice.07:33
PovRayManwhich is why i'd like some help.07:33
xskou1axthe ubuntu installer didnt have that problem... just the fake livecd07:33
martoklol07:33
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xskou1axthe ubuntu livecd doesnt have a install option i though07:34
xskou1axt07:34
martokI read they're fixing it.07:34
xskou1axits not real07:34
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sangriagAmaranth: I know but what about the packages? Are they same in the amd64 installer image as in the LiveCD?07:34
xskou1axits some other distro with an ubuntu look isnt it07:34
xskou1axi forgot the distro07:34
mebaranAnybody know if the gnome-applet panel is fixed yet07:34
martokDamn07:34
crimsunmebaran: for what?07:34
xskou1axmebaran its broken?07:34
martokWhat's the point in calling it Ubuntu then?!07:34
crimsunmebaran: it's not broken at all on i38607:34
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xskou1axmartok i dunno07:34
crimsunmebaran: are you on amd64?07:34
martokHeh, strange.07:34
xskou1axwhen you run the livecd you'll see the name of the other distro07:35
mebarancrimsun: yeah07:35
crimsunmebaran: not yet.07:35
xskou1axi cant, for the life of me, recall teh name though07:35
mebaranI love my 64 bits to death!07:35
xskou1axmy 64bit rig is not working07:35
mebarancrimsun: is evolution fixed yet07:35
xskou1axits taking me alot of friggin money too07:35
Tridiondoes anybody know if the new ati-drivers are available for Hoary?  i might upgrade to Hoary if they are.07:35
mebaranmy evolution contacts is really weird07:35
crimsunmebaran: all these are fine on i386, and I don't have amd64.07:35
sangriagmebaran: if you are onto the 64-bit could you give me a hint how to proceed?07:36
crimsunTridion: yes, they are.07:36
mebaranI can even purge the config files07:36
mebaranit wont let me a change a thing07:36
mebaranor remove any contact books07:36
xskou1axanyone have gay sex in here07:36
mebaranand it wont import vcards07:36
mebaranxskou1ax: I only sell gay sex07:36
xskou1axhaha just checking... thought id ask the most random question out there07:36
Tridioncrimsim: If I upgraded to Hoary, would they be installed by default?  I think they fix what they broke with Xorg07:36
xskou1axmebaran... ::buzzer:: wrong answer07:37
Tridioncrimsun: whoops, spelled ya wrong there07:37
xskou1axwhats a vcard07:37
xskou1axi think bitpim has some vcard feature on it07:37
xskou1axshould i upgrade to hoary07:37
xskou1axwhat will that break07:37
Tridionxskoulax: your legs :)07:37
crimsunTridion: they should, yes, but I can't test myself.07:38
xskou1axim not xskoulax07:38
mebaranxskou1ax: your head07:38
xskou1axim xskou1ax07:38
mebaranxskou1ax: a vcard is format that allows me to transfer contacts07:38
crimsundastardly 'l' and '1'07:38
mebaranapp to app07:38
xskou1axmebaran what app?07:38
Tridioncrimsun: thx anyways, i firgured they would07:38
xskou1axcan you get bitpim to work?07:38
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mebaranevolution to kontact07:38
Omoshiroihello07:39
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xskou1axanyone with a cellphone here07:39
mebarandamn07:39
Tridioncrimsun: thx, i still couldn't tell the diff untill you pointed it out07:39
mebaranwho fixes the AMD stuff07:39
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OmoshiroiDoes anyone know what the root password is for a default Ubuntu install?07:39
xskoulaxyea he took my L and replaced it with a one sneaky little so and so07:39
mebaranwe never get it on TIME!07:39
xskou1axthe default is your user password07:39
Omoshiroiok thanks.07:39
xskou1axoh nvm07:39
Destructohello all. what version should i dload ?07:39
xskou1axthe root itself i dunno07:39
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crimsunDestructo: warty.07:40
xskou1axsudo is the same as your main account07:40
xskou1axbut i cant get to my damn root07:40
martokWhy's Ubuntu kinda like Fedora Core in that it they wanted it to be a purely open source OS?07:40
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Omoshiroiconfused me as every other linux distribution I have ever used set it on install.07:40
xskou1axUBUNTU IS NOT LIKE FEDORA!!!!!!!!07:40
crimsunmartok: ...that extends way past FC.07:40
xskou1axBLASPHEMER!!!07:40
xskou1axTO THE GALLOWS!!!07:40
xskou1axok07:40
martokLOL07:40
Destructocrimsun thats the latest right ...? or should i wait for the next release. this is for my od lady,im hapy with my slackware and fluxbox  .. but this looks neat07:41
mebaranubuntu is like fedora like the French Revolution was to the Russian Revolution07:41
mebaranin both people died07:41
crimsunDestructo: by all means, try the stable release, Warty.07:41
mebaranjust in different ways07:41
martokI meant in the way that it's like a pure open source OS. I can't even play Mp3s with Ubuntu out of the box.07:41
xskou1axya the french died worse....07:41
martokJust like with Fedora Core.07:41
martokWhat's up with this new pure open source thing going in in distros?07:41
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crimsunmartok: that's due to potential IP issues.07:41
mebaranyou can make mp3s play anyway07:41
Omoshiroiso does anyone know what the root password is for the warty install?07:41
mebaranlike one step07:42
mebaranmplayer is too07:42
xskou1axfedora is french for First Ever Distro to Only Reek like Ass07:42
martoklol...07:42
crimsunOmoshiroi: there is none until you set one. See the sudo pages on the wiki.07:42
mebaranjust add and you go away07:42
sangriagmebaran: could you tell me how it went with your amd64 installation?07:42
Destructoi still dont get why peple install fedora ..07:42
martokI wanted to check it out.07:42
xskou1axpure open source is nice07:42
Destructoi know. im messing with you07:42
xskou1axbut i think fedora goes too far07:42
martokOh, ok.07:43
martokHeh.07:43
xskou1axexample... uninclusion of ntfs supportt07:43
MM2darn! Ubuntu loses samba installation!!!07:43
martokYeah, I couldn't find enough oggs.07:43
Destructocrimsun hey is there a date for the next release ..?07:43
mebaran6 months from the last one07:43
Omoshiroicrimsun: correct me if im wrong, but you have to be root to set the root password... if you do SU or goto the root terminal from gnome it asks for a password, you leave it blank and it says its the wrong password.07:43
Destructok07:43
mebaranubuntu hasnt missed a release yet07:43
mebaran(there has only been one)07:43
MM2samba is installed and configured. After some boots dpkg -l |grep samba shows nothing i.e. samba package is deleted?!07:43
xskou1axsome people... like me... are not comfortable modifying their kernel to get support that they fell is entirely necessary07:43
MM2where I can send bug-report?07:44
mebaranxskou1ax07:44
crimsunDestructo: April 2005.07:44
mebaranwhat was your problem07:44
OmoshiroiI sure as well would recompile my kernel if I could...07:44
crimsunDestructo: every 6 months there is a stable release.07:44
Omoshiroihell*07:44
xskou1axomoshiroi - why do you want to get into root?07:44
kotauWhy does apt-get install camstream return E: Couldn't find package camstream?  I have enabled multiverse07:44
Destructocrimsun well im going to install it for her, all she cares about is burning and checking emails07:44
xskou1axsudo has worked fine in all cases07:44
Omoshiroixskou1ax because I need to recompile my kernel for network drivers.07:44
xskou1axi would like to be able to set my root password though07:44
jdubxskou1ax: you can, if you absolutely have to: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo07:45
xskou1axthere you go omo07:45
Omoshiroithanks.07:45
crimsunOmoshiroi: 1) sudo uses your normal user's passwd. 2) you don't need to have root privileges to compile external modules, only to insert or remove them into/from a running kernel.07:45
xskou1axhaha omo rhymes with another no so nice term07:45
Omoshiroiyes but my name isnt omo07:46
martokHey, where are the Ubuntu package repositories located?07:46
crimsunmartok: archive.ubuntu.com.07:46
xskou1axoh yes it is07:46
Omoshiroiits omoshiroi which is japanese for interesting amusing and joyful.07:46
martokThanks crimsun07:46
xskou1axit is to an american like m07:46
xskou1axsounds a little gay to me07:46
xskou1ax:)07:46
xskou1axbut yea...07:46
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xskou1axyou need a good african name07:47
Omoshiroino I dont.07:47
OmoshiroiOmoshiroi works quite fine for me.07:47
xskou1axwhats african for big trunk07:47
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Omoshiroiwatashi wa omoshiroi desu yo.07:47
xskou1axkiss my ass?07:47
Omoshiroixskou1ax wa baka desu...07:47
xskou1axhaha i speak english only07:47
xskou1axjew07:47
martokWTF?07:48
Destructocrimsun im a diuehard slackware fan, but Pat (the developer) is phazing gnome out, and basically gave ubuntu props , like saying if you really want gnome check out ubuntu . nice nice07:48
Omoshiroiand ill help you out there, I said your an idiot. or at least you are acting like one.07:48
crimsunDestructo: try it, you'll be impressed.07:48
crimsunOmoshiroi: don't feed the trolls, please.07:48
Destructoi think so. what gnome bversion ..?07:48
crimsunDestructo: Warty has 2.8.07:48
martokDamn, what's wrong with gays and jews? I saw a documentary on Gay Jews tonight and they seemed pretty cool.07:48
Omoshiroidestructo, same here on the slackware side, gentoo was nice also.07:48
xskou1axthats japanese07:48
Destructok. and it has k3b rigfht >07:48
jdubDestructo: we push our preview release on the same day as the gnome fina release. :-)07:49
xskou1axwell babelfish doesnt understand you... so neither do i07:49
crimsunmartok: please don't feed the trolls.07:49
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Destructosorry. my laptop has this ammyoing tabclick07:49
Destructoannoying07:49
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Destructojdub nice07:49
mebaranIs any of the AMD64 users out there aware of the bug in Evolution07:49
mebaranthat makes it basically unusable07:49
mebarannot sure how to report it07:49
mebaranas it is clean07:49
mebaranworks fine07:49
martokI was uh... serious.07:49
mebaranbut wont let me import export or change any contacts07:49
Destructowhat wireless tools do you guys have for ubuntu07:50
jdubnothing of note in warty07:50
jdubhoary will have netapplet07:50
xskou1ax???????????????????????07:51
Omoshiroianyone know if wireless drivers are in the kernel/modules?07:51
xskou1axdamnit it didnt work07:51
DestructoOmoshiroi wireless drvers. ?07:51
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Destructoprobably enable it yourself .. i would help but im new to ubuntu07:51
mebaranAny ideas on how to report07:52
mebaranalso I cant flush the config file07:52
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mebaranI delete everything and yet it doesnt clena out the bad otpions07:52
Destructomebaran report a bug in evolution ..?07:52
eimI'm experiencing compile problems with make-kpkg and linux source 2.6.10, any suggestions?07:52
Neo_654Anyone know if I manually set my dns servers in networking to my ISP's server if it will speed up firefoxes resolving issue even after the tweaks?07:52
crimsuneim: what sort of compile problems?07:52
OmoshiroiI use a linksys wireless card, so far I dont have the net on linux, would be easy enough to just plug in the cable on my onboard nic but that isnt in the modules either.07:53
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DestructoOmoshiroi dude you have the windows drivers for it ..?07:53
Irashaimasedf07:53
Irashaimasesdf07:53
Irashaimasesdf07:53
Omoshiroiand crimsun I wasnt feeding the trolls, if someone iplies that I am gay because of my name I am going to bash them.07:53
crimsunOmoshiroi: (That's feeding the trolls.)07:53
Destructoi got my laptop going wirless after like 4 min07:53
Omoshiroiwell then ill feed the trolls.07:54
Destructondiswrapper is a godsend07:54
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Kyuuketsukiok07:54
DestructoOmoshiroi you try ndiswrapper ..?07:54
Omoshiroidestructo, yes I have windows drivers for it.07:54
Kyuuketsukino i was saying that the three definitions were gay07:54
Omoshiroiand no I havent.07:54
Omoshiroino07:55
DestructoOmoshiroi well all you need is the .inf file07:55
Omoshiroibut you were implying omo as homo, which is usually refered to as homosexual, meaning gay.07:55
Kyuuketsukino i said it rhymed with it07:55
Kyuuketsukiyou assume too much07:55
daniels(rampantly offtopic)07:55
Omoshiroilol daniels.07:55
martokThis is crazy.07:56
Omoshiroicool thanks Destructo.07:56
DestructoOmoshiroi anyways you have the laptop ready07:56
martokWho cares if somebody is gay or not?07:56
martokJeez.07:56
Kyuuketsukino one07:56
Kyuuketsukii dont07:56
Omoshiroino actually I dont Destructo07:56
OmoshiroiI run dual boot07:56
eimcrimsun: At the end come up some errors, maybe I need to perform a make-kpkg clean first, then compile.07:56
Destructoouch07:56
crimsuneim: what sort of errors? what .config are you using? what version of kernel-package?07:57
jmhodgesooo07:57
jmhodgesdo my eyes deceive me?07:57
DestructoOmoshiroi i used to do that in the beginning, then i started using vmwae on slack, then now i just make my shit work ..07:57
Destructovmware07:57
jmhodgesnew xorg compatiable fglrx drivers?07:57
crimsunjmhodges: thanks to daniels, yes.07:57
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danielsjmhodges: they're in hoary07:57
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Kyuuketsukianyone know where i can get vmware to "test" :)07:57
jmhodgesdaniels: yep, thats what im running07:57
eimcrimsun: I can't switch back to see the error details, now. .config is ok, kernel source 2.6.10.07:57
Omoshiroidestructo no money to buy vmware.07:57
jmhodgesdaniels: thank you thank you thank you :)07:57
Destructojmhodges vmware has a 30 day trial07:58
Kyuuketsukiomoshiroi whats my name07:58
danielsjmhodges: no worries07:58
Kyuuketsukiomoshiroi whats my name mean07:58
OmoshiroiI dont know what it means, I would have to look it up.07:58
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Kyuuketsukiok07:58
DestructoOmoshiroi 30 day trial.07:58
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Kyuuketsukidestructo their is a trial?07:58
crimsunyes, a 30-day trial.07:58
Destructoyeah man.07:58
Kyuuketsukioooh trials are for fools?! mwuhahaha07:58
OmoshiroiDestructo... trials are useless after the 30 days.07:58
crimsunfully functional for 30 days.07:59
Destructonot really07:59
Kyuuketsukiomo au contrair07:59
Kyuuketsukitrials can be cracked...07:59
Kyuuketsukiin a variety of ways07:59
Destructowell either way, there are other EMU07:59
Kyuuketsukimaybe its time to try my universal never expire thingy07:59
AmaranthGuys...07:59
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Neo_654Dang ingnore does come in helpfull.07:59
Kyuuketsukivmware is the best isnt it07:59
AmaranthThat kind of talk is not only off-topic, but illegal.07:59
Kyuuketsukiwhy would you ignore me08:00
Kyuuketsukiindeed they are08:00
Omoshiroikyuu as a prefix like that means sudden.08:00
Kyuuketsukiwell its supposed to mean vampire08:00
Kyuuketsukibut i dont trust the net08:00
Omoshiroilol08:00
Kyuuketsukihttp://japanese.about.com/bl50kanji6_kyuuketsuki.htm08:01
martokAnybody watch Night Walker?08:01
Kyuuketsukibut i think it is correct08:01
Kyuuketsukigoogling it shows Vampire Princess Miyu sites among others08:01
Omoshiroiif you want a good translation tool you should check out jwpce, its windows only though I think.08:02
Omoshiroialthough you need to be able to read hiragana for it to be effective.08:02
martokAre you japanese?08:02
Omoshiroino08:02
martokOh, ok.08:03
OmoshiroiI just took some japanese in high school, want to take more after college.08:03
Destructook so how many versions of ubuntu are out08:03
Kyuuketsukii doubt i can read hiragana08:03
crimsunDestructo: 108:03
martokCool.08:03
Kyuuketsukiim blackanese08:03
martokHeh, are you really black?08:03
Kyuuketsukiyup08:03
martokCool, me too.08:03
Kyuuketsukinot necessarily proud of it, sorry08:03
martokI'm just ok being human.08:04
Omoshiroiafter learning 4 languages well 5 if you count html rofl.08:04
Kyuuketsukimost black people are shameful...08:04
Scooterwe cant use new ATI drivers with warty? :(08:04
danielsguys, this is all still wildly offtopic08:04
martokYeah, I know.08:04
martokHaha!08:04
danielsScooter: no, warty is frozen08:04
Omoshiroithat in 2 years I think I am good for learning japanese.08:04
Kyuuketsukiwah off-topic wah - Artie Lang08:04
Omoshiroiprogramming languages anyways.08:04
martokDude I listen to Howard every morning. Waaah! LOL.08:04
Kyuuketsukime too08:05
crimsunScooter: you can compile them yourself, but Ubuntu will not provide official{ly supported} packages for Warty.08:05
Kyuuketsukii love it08:05
Destructowell you dont have to use vmware , trheres also bochs08:05
Kyuuketsukihurray for blacks who listen to howard!08:05
Scooterok thanks08:05
Omoshiroiactually if you count the PHP ill be learning it would be 5 programming languages.08:05
martokWaaaah, your implants popped, waaaah!08:05
KyuuketsukiOmo.. man dont be so modest08:05
Kyuuketsukihaha martok08:05
OmoshiroiDestructo, I dont really want anything to emulate windows.08:05
Kyuuketsukiwaah i wont date white canadians waah08:06
martokLOL!08:06
Omoshiroilol08:06
Kyuuketsukithat girl was crazy08:06
martokThat chick was hot man.08:06
Destructowell vmware is great because you can install a whole XP OS on it..08:06
Kyuuketsukiand did you see her on the site... those tattoos are too much imo08:06
OmoshiroiI know Destructo08:06
martokDid you check out her pictures?08:06
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martokOh, man. I'm into tats on women.08:06
crimsunmartok: / Omoshiroi: / Kyuuketsuki: #ubuntu-offtopic, please.08:07
Kyuuketsukiim so not.. not in the way she had them08:07
Kyuuketsukipuff08:07
jdubthanks crimsun08:07
Destructocrimsun sorry im now i heard 2 diff names pop out tonight about ubuntu versionsconfused ,08:07
theDragonok, need  a hand: want to set up dual booting. I have linux on my IDE and windows on my sata disk on the first partition. I have tried a bajillion different configs to get it working. Any ideas?08:07
ScooterOh great , the ATI drivers are RPM... looks like I have to install Fedora Filfth to get my ATI card to work :(08:07
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crimsunDestructo: Warty is the current stable version, released October 2004. Hoary is currently the development version to be released in April 2005 as the next stable.08:08
Omoshiroiwhat distro do you have Scooter?08:08
KyuuketsukiAPRIL!!!!08:08
danielsScooter: you can sort of do it on Ubuntu by hand08:08
jdubScooter: the new drivers were uploaded to hoary a few hours ago.08:08
Scooterwarty08:08
Kyuuketsukiholy balls thats far off08:08
Omoshiroikk, shouldnt alien work with the rpm?08:08
Scooteryea I try hoary from aptget, but drivers dont work08:08
martokAre you kidding?08:08
martokLOL08:08
jdubKyuuketsuki: the preview will be released in march08:08
Kyuuketsukiwhats a preview08:09
Scooternow i went back to warty08:09
jdubOmoshiroi: it will, but is not a useful way to install it in ubuntu08:09
Kyuuketsukiarent the curren versions a preview08:09
jdubKyuuketsuki: the preview is a very public beta08:09
jdubKyuuketsuki: no, warty is a final released version08:09
Omoshiroijdub aware of that, you want to use apt as much as possible in any linux distribution.08:09
Destructosorry my laptop pad08:09
Omoshiroidebian based*08:09
theDragoncan I get a hand?08:10
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ScooterHmmm, here is an idea I might try to just change my apt-list to hoary, install the Xfree drivers I saw, and then change back to warty...08:11
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crimsunScooter: unless you're intimately familiar with the package manager, that's probably going to cause more headaches.08:13
Scootercan I run hoary in Xfree?08:13
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Scooterok08:13
randabiswhy run xfree in hoary with x.org is superior...08:14
Scooteris it true that there is a hoary ISO?08:14
randabisyes there is a hoary iso08:14
Scooterbecause I cant get Xorg to insstall08:14
ScooterCool :)08:15
randabisit's from 12/2708:15
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randabisunless there's been an update08:15
bassinboyhow can i bind a key to a command?08:15
ScooterThanks, that might be the ticket for me...08:15
ScooterI cant seem to get it to work from apt-get08:16
crimsunbassinboy: warty? hoary?08:16
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jmhodgesok, i just tried to upgrade my fglrx drivers08:16
crimsunbassinboy: in hoary, it's Desktop>Preferences>Keyboard Shortcuts08:16
jmhodgesand im getting diversion errors08:16
randabisinstalling the new xfce 4.2 :)08:17
jmhodgesxorg-driver-fglrx and fglrx-driver have conflicting diversions08:17
ScooterI got XXFce4.2 it totaly ROCKS08:17
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jmhodgesand i can't seem to remove both of them at once08:17
bassinboycrimsun: warty08:17
crimsunbassinboy: Keyboard Shortcuts under Preferences08:18
jmhodgesanybody know what i need to do?08:18
jmhodgesthis is hoary btw08:18
jmhodgesim X-less atm :-/08:18
Omoshiroiis there any simple way to change modules that are loading in warty to get my network working?08:18
theCanuckI am trying to dual boot my machine using grub. on one drive I have linux (IDE) and on the other I have winXP (SATA). I cannot successfully manage to boot windows using grub08:18
danielsjmhodges: don't install fglrx-driver08:18
bassinboycrimsun: i want a custom command08:18
danielsknown issue, will be fixed in a few minutes08:18
Amaranthhrm08:19
jmhodgescool08:19
ScooterSweeT! Thankyou <daniels>08:19
jmhodgesthanks daniels08:19
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Amaranthmy CDs say they were shipped on nov 8th08:19
danielsno worries08:19
Scooterperhaps it is problem I was haveing08:19
Amaranthit's jan 19 and still nothing :/08:19
Scooteris it with amd 64?08:19
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OmoshiroiAmaranth I feel your pain, I ordered anime back in august and its still not here!08:20
Scooterok well, if the drivers are getting fixed, perhaps i will try install hoary again 8)08:20
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theCanuckw00t ubuntu08:21
theCanuck:)08:21
Scootercan hoary-live install hoary to hard disk?08:21
AmaranthOmoshiroi: Not the same, I was hoping to beat all those Planet GNOME hackers to it. :)08:22
binbinhow do i install a bin file?08:22
OmoshiroiAmaranth hehe, your right, its not the same, my anime cost me $100 :P08:22
randabisdon't think so, but like I said before Scooter, there is a hoary iso (not live) based on a 12/27 snapshot08:22
Amaranthbinbin: sh file.bin08:22
randabisbinbin either sh foo.bin or ./foo.bin08:22
Scooterwhere is the download link?08:22
ScooterTIA :)08:22
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AmaranthOmoshiroi: But you're talking about anime, I'm talking about something important. ;)08:23
martokAnime isn't important?08:23
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bruce583im new to Ubuntu, and I have a Dell A190 printer08:23
martokLOL.08:23
bruce583how to make it work?08:23
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OmoshiroiAmaranth, anime may not be important to you, but obviously its important to me if I spent $100 on it ;)08:24
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mebaranAnime is the most important use for a computer I can think of08:24
randabishttp://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/08:24
Omoshiroisame here mebaran08:24
martokAnybody watch Night Walkers?!08:24
Omoshiroianime and programming lol08:24
martokErr... Night Walker.08:24
marko_hello...can I get some help with my grub?08:24
Scooter<randabis> Thank You :)08:24
randabisthere you go scooter08:24
ironwolf__ok, how does one undelete a file *or in this case files* from a vfat filesystem.08:24
randabisnp08:24
crimsunironwolf__: perhaps native win32 tools provide that functionality from within a win32 environment.08:25
Kyuuketsukianyone have Robin Witch Hunter08:25
OmoshiroiI do.08:25
martokI'm not into that one.08:25
randabisokay gonna check out xfce 4.2 brb08:25
Kyuuketsukiits the onlty one i liike08:25
ironwolf__crimsun: installing a program over the data to restore the data I'm looking for isn't what I had in mind.08:25
OmoshiroiI try to watch it but then get bored of it, even though it seems very neat to me, just havent been in the witch hunter robin mood08:25
martokGeeks and Witches? Come on.08:25
bruce583nobody knows how to make my printer work08:25
crimsunbruce583: what isn't working with it? what type is it?08:26
ironwolf__crimsun: or is win32 tools a package I've been missing?08:26
martokAnd they have the guy Kai from Lexx doing that dudes voice.08:26
bruce583Dell A19008:26
bruce583all in one08:26
marko_somehow I can't boot my windozeXP partition....-->Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format<-- It was working fine, since I reinstalled windoze...08:26
crimsunbruce583: have you checked the wiki to see if anyone has left any notes regarding that model?08:26
bruce583no08:26
bruce583im a novice08:26
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bruce583how does one go about that08:27
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crimsunbruce583: see the topic. :)08:28
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Destructohey hey im back. sorry my wirless crappedout on me08:29
martok802.11g?08:30
marko_can't anybody help me?08:30
Destructoyeah. but i forgotto set the essid08:30
Destructomarko_ what do yu need help with08:30
marko_I need help with grub08:30
Destructosorry im a lilo man08:31
marko_oh allright THX08:31
marko_anybody else here using GRUB?08:31
ironwolf__marko_: everybody08:31
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Amaranthmy computer uses it but thanks to ubuntu i don't need to know anything about it, so i don't08:32
marko_and anybody here, who want's to give me some help with booting windozeXP?08:32
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ironwolf__marko_: Can you be more specific?08:32
Destructoim downloading ubuntu, so i ave no idea .. yet08:33
ironwolf__Destructo: you'll love it.08:33
ironwolf__it "just works"08:33
ironwolf__marko_: what do you need help doing in specific?  Ask your questions, and we'll try to help you out.08:33
martokHe wants to dual boot Windows XP probably.08:34
marko_ok...I've got my ubuntu installed on /dev/hda1 and my windoze on /dev/hda2....but somehow I can't boot windoze08:34
Destructodoes k3b do isos ..?08:34
marko_somehow I can't boot my windozeXP partition....-->Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format<-- It was working fine, since I reinstalled windoze...08:34
martokDestructo: Yeah08:34
AmaranthDestructo: Yes.08:34
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Destructoin lilo you have to append windows.. not sure about grub08:35
ScooterThis is cool, I hope the hoary ISO installs Xorg by default, I am going to try installing the 386 ISO on this system next...08:35
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marko_my menu.lst is the following:title           Windows NT/2000/XProot            (hd0,2)08:35
marko_makeactive08:35
marko_chainloader     +108:35
ironwolf__if anyone has an undelete for a vfat fs, please speak up08:35
mebaranI think ms had one08:35
mebaranyou should google it08:35
Omoshiroianyone here know about winex and cedega?08:35
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Amaranthironwolf__: first off, make sure the partition is mounted read-only until you get it fixed08:36
AmaranthOmoshiroi: Those are one and the same. Check out #cedega08:36
ironwolf__Amaranth: already done.08:36
Omoshiroikk08:36
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Destructomarko_ its quite easy..08:36
Destructoyou are inlinuxatm ..?08:36
ironwolf__Amaranth: now the more difficult part of getting it back.  *sigh*  it's gotta be out there somewhere.. I can't seem to find it.08:37
Amaranthironwolf__: That's all I know. :/08:37
Destructomarko_ http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html08:37
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Scooterwhat is name of CD burner in warty?  i am in XFCE and need to burn CD...08:38
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AmaranthScooter: Read the wiki on how to install k3b08:38
Scooteryea I prefer Kb3 thanks :)08:38
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martokCan the CD burner in warty burn ISOs?08:39
jmhodgesmartok yes, if you mean the nautilus one.. right click on the iso and select "Write CD.."08:39
martokOh cool. Thanks.08:39
jmhodgesvery cool indeed08:40
jmhodgesnp08:40
OmoshiroiAmaranth, I am getting absolutely no responce in the cedega channel, I only need to know if by any chance there is still a CVS for winex/cedega?08:40
Scooter<jmhodges> Thanks i gotta burn ISO also08:40
jmhodgesnp08:40
jmhodgessoooo.. whats the status on the fglrx pkg? heard that new versions would be up "in a few minutes".. guessing its going to be a while yet?08:41
danielsjmhodges: it works fine if you just don't install fglrx-driver08:41
jmhodgeswell, its installed already08:41
danielsbut it takes a while for the upload to go through all our systems anyway08:42
Scooter0o08:42
jmhodgesgotcha08:42
Destructowhat other WM does ubuntu have?08:42
ScooterXFce08:42
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ScooterIceWM08:42
Scooteryou have to apt--get them08:42
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Destructook is there like a depository, if i wanted to install luxbox08:43
Scooterthe newest XFce I installed on warty from Graphical installer, the new XFce is verry nice08:43
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pdaousthey, I know this isn't directly related to Ubuntu, because win32codecs is an unsupported package, but... does anyone else ever have issues with certain codecs in QuickTime movies not putting out any audio?08:44
Lowryupdate quicktime08:45
pdaoustLowry: this is a specific package?08:45
crimsunpdaoust: what version of w32codecs is installed?08:45
Lowryalso there is a windows quicktime forum on apples web page08:45
pdaoustcrimsun: lesseeeeee...08:45
pdaoust2004-09-16 0.008:46
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pdaoustfunny thing is, most will work; i.e., a lot of trailers on Apple are fine. However, the trailer I pulled from starwars.com (hooray for wookiees!) is completely silent.08:46
Lowryhttp://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@749.uHZZa4ZIK5K.1@.ee6ba9408:47
crimsunyep, you need to upgrade the version of the codecs.08:47
pdaoustsoooooooo... okay. guess the Marillat repository isn't the most up-to-date?08:47
crimsun[offtopic]  there's a codec pack from mplayerhq.hu from december08:48
pdaoustcrimsun: so I just grab the codecs pack and dispense with the package manager altogether?08:49
crimsunpdaoust: not the recommended method, but brute force suffices.08:50
pdaoustcrimsun: no prob; I came to Ubuntu from Gentoo. I'm used to hacking ^_^08:50
pdaoustjust wondering, before I did that, if there were any 'proper' ways to do this.08:50
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crimsunyes, create a deb of it :-)08:50
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pdaoustcrimsun: ^_^08:51
pdaoustbaby steps here... I only just learned how to make an ebuild after a year and a half of using Gentoo... (then I turfed the whole thing when my HD crashed and I needed to get up-and-running quickly -- clients waiting for their website -- and I tried out Ubuntu)08:52
pdaoustit boggles me how these people can jury-rig Windows codecs to work with MPlayer and Xine...08:53
pdaoustI think I'll stick to making web apps, thanks ^_^08:53
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marko_fabbione: can you help me with my grub?08:56
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fabbionemarko_: just ask.. if i am not around someone will be able to help08:56
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marko_nke... I can't boot my windoze partition, after I reinstalled WindozeXP...there's the message printed: Error13: Invalid or unsupported executable format08:57
marko_can ya help me with this...I've talked to ironwolf...but he can't help me with that.08:58
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pdaoustmarko_: that's a doozie08:58
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pdaoustwhen do you get this message?08:58
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marko_when I select windoze in the grub-bootmenu08:58
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fabbionemarko_: i don't have windows anywhere.... how am i supposed to help?08:59
pdaoustmarko_: do you have 'chainloader +1' anywhere in the Windows entry in /boot/grub/grub.conf?08:59
pdaoust(without the quotation marks, of course)08:59
marko_not in /boot/grub/grub.conf but in /boot/grub/menu.lst... is this also ok?09:00
marko_sorry fabbione...I didn't kno that... ironwolf just said, that I should ask you with that.09:00
pdaoustmarko_: yep, they're the same, pretty much... in some distros they're just symlinked to each other.09:01
fabbionemarko_: sorry but it's really the dark side of the force for me09:01
pdaoustmarko_: did you reinstall Windows *before* or *after* installing Ubuntu (i.e., before or after GRUB was installed in your boot record)?09:01
marko_ok... so I don't know what to do...I googled and found many things bout that...but nothing really helped me09:01
ironwolf__to be fair, I said fabbione might know who the grub wizard was09:02
marko_ironwolf__sorry...I don't wanted to say anything wrong...I'm not the bad guy...just a dummy-user! ;-)09:02
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ironwolf__no worries marko_09:03
marko_pdaoust: I installed it after UBUNTU, and (because of WINDOZE OVERWRITES THE BOOTRECORD) I booted my linux with a bootdisk and then copied the boot.mbr file to my MBR09:04
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pdaoustmarko_: hmmmmmmmmm... yeah, having a little trouble remembering, because it's been ages since I had Windows too...09:05
Destructomarko_ you shouldnt write ro the mbr ..09:05
marko_I mean... everything stayed the same....same windoze-partition, same linux-partition... but somehow it worked fine before reinstalling windoze, and after that...NOT09:05
pdaoustforgive my ignorance, but where did you find boot.mbr? not familiar with that file.09:05
marko_destructe...yo...I read this half an hour ago...09:06
Destructomarko_ do this .. get a  windows floppy startup disk . and run fdis /mbr09:06
Destructofdisk /mbr09:06
pdaoustI wonder if Ubuntu has a tool for recovering GRUB into the MBR... I know Mandrake does, and it's wonderful09:06
Destructothen redo grub09:06
pdaoust(one of the few wonderful things about Mandrake ;-) )09:06
Destructomarko_ or if you download lilo , you can save yourself headaches09:06
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Destructois there a direct link i can browse  apps for ubuntu09:08
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marko_pdaoust: I got that file by doing a: dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 of=/media/floppy/boot.mbr09:09
pdaoustmarko_: ah, I getcha, so you made it yourself.09:09
pdaoustdid you go /dev/hda or /dev/hda1 tho?09:10
pdaoustoh09:10
pdaoustsorry09:10
pdaoustread it wrong09:10
shantanuhow do I install a .deb package in my current folder09:10
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Agrajagsudo dpkg -i whatever.deb09:11
marko_but the problem is....when I don't install the boot-loader in the mbr...fuckingwindoze boots up without asking me, wether i want to boot my linux!!! THAT SUX09:11
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pdaoustmarko_: yeah, that's a serious problem... I don't know quite exactly how to work around that... I'm gonna hafta bow out here...09:12
marko_pdaoust: you wrote about a tool for recovering GRUB into the MBR...what is it called?09:12
pdaoust(gotta get to bed too)09:12
marko_nke...sleep well09:13
pdaoustmarko_: well, I know that the Mandrake Linux installation CD has a funky menu that allows you to repair the MBR09:13
pdaoust(kinda like Windows Recovery Console's fixboot and fixmbr commands)09:13
marko_ahh...ok...09:13
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whaq_hi neighborlee09:15
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neighborleehi09:16
OmoshiroiDestructo, thanks for the ndiswrapper info, there is even help on setting it up on the ubuntu site, which is cool09:16
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Omoshiroiand then there was silence.09:21
DestructoOmoshiroi yeah ndiswrapper is a godsend. one trick btw. if the ubuntu way doesnt work. do this .. find the .inf file for your card , and put it in your home/dir then  you run ndiswrapper -i  /home/you/file.inf and bam09:21
Omoshiroikk ill save that in a text doc.09:22
Destructoreason for this is because the dir from which your windows stuff is in doesnt really translate that well in linux09:22
Omoshiroiwell im going to move the .inf file into my linux distro lol09:23
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Destructoi suggest doing it manually.09:23
OmoshiroiI like how nicely ubuntu detects things on startup tho.09:23
Omoshiroiwhat do you mean manually?09:23
Destructowell configure it rather than running whatever that ubuntu-ndiswrapper script thingy09:24
Omoshiroiheh, im lazy so ill do the ubuntu-ndiswrapper thing then if that doesnt work ill do it manually :P09:24
Destructok09:25
Omoshiroithat and I am not big into linux atm, got too much other college stuff going on.09:25
kotaucan Alien force install a .rpm?09:25
Omoshiroior I would do it manually09:26
OmoshiroiI believe so kotau09:26
kotauomoshiroi; man alien mentions not of this extentsion09:26
DestructoOmoshiroi        www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper09:26
OmoshiroiI am mostly a slackware person but I think I did that in one of my debian installs once with the ati stuff.09:27
Omoshiroithanks Destructo, thats the link that I found earlier.09:27
Destructoim running slackware on my kickass hp pavilion laptop zv542009:27
OmoshiroiI was about to say that HP and kickass should not be used in the same sentance until I read laptop :P09:28
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danielsOmoshiroi: their servers are amazing09:29
Omoshiroiwasnt talking about servers.09:30
Ex-Cyberif a dist-upgrade gets interrupted by a dpkg error, how should I go about resuming/retrying it?09:30
Omoshiroiservers are a totally different story09:30
kotauman the ATI page that tells me how to install drivers says to use rpm --force but alien has no force switch, unless it is undocumented.   Wait.. I can convert it into a deb file.  can I force install the .deb file?09:30
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Omoshiroimost of the OEMS have awesome servers, because thats what they do, making desktops is just thier half ass on the side job :P09:30
whaq_daniels, why do you say that?09:31
Omoshiroialthough HP has gotten better since it bought up compaq, hp is more the high end stuff, I have actually seen real hardware in the hp computers lol09:31
DestructoOmoshiroi this is basically my laptop, but he has the CANADIAN version and i have my wireless working   http://ronispc.chem.mcgill.ca/ronis/misc/zv5240ca.html09:32
Omoshiroilike a gigabyte motherboard (dislikes gigabyte though)09:32
Amarantho_O09:32
Amarantha non-OEM motherboard in an OEM computer?09:32
danielswhaq_: because they're very solid, reliable, and their remote management is astounding09:32
Omoshiroiah cool.09:32
OmoshiroiAmaranth yes.09:33
danielswhaq_: when the server's off, you can feed it an iso over the network, and say 'here, turn yourself on and boot this', for example09:33
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danielskotau: dude, are you using warty or hoary?09:33
whaq_daniels, cool. We're needing to get some servers. Where would be a good place to buy those?09:33
Ex-CyberAmaranth: who do you think makes the "OEM" boards anyway?09:33
Omoshiroilol, who is we Whaq_?09:33
Ex-Cyber:)09:33
whaq_daniels, the so called lights-out management?09:33
whaq_Omoshiroi, we are the whaqies from the planet whaqurn. We plan to build a qluster to invade Earth.09:34
danielswhaq_: ilo, yeah.  proliants aren't cheap, so basically anywhere you can get them that's reasonably cheap.09:34
whaq_Omoshiroi, my company, that's what =P09:34
Ex-Cyberhow can I see what caused dpkg to fail if it interrupted apt-get with an error?09:34
Omoshiroiyour company better be a multi million dollar company if you want a good server...09:34
Omoshiroibillion even.09:35
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whaq_Omoshiroi, we've some xserve, ibm xseries and some opteron and xeon boxes.. testing out different servers and looking to standardize on one09:35
whaq_daniels, any pointers on where to get them? any specific vendors?09:36
OmoshiroiEx-Cyber good point about the OEM, but he didnt specify what Original Equipment Manufacturer he was talking about, probably meant the OEM for the computer and not the motherboard.09:36
Omoshiroiwhaq_ probably HP if you want an HP one.09:36
Omoshiroidaniels that iso thing sounds pretty sweet.09:37
whaq_Omoshiroi, they have resellers and i've also seen some deals that look good on ebay..09:37
Omoshiroitrue enough.09:38
danielswhaq_: not really, sorry; i haven't bought the ones I've worked on (got them directly through HP), and even if I had, my supplier would be in .au09:38
Destructowhaq_ ive found some cheap hardware on craigslist.com09:38
Ex-Cyberso if I just run "apt-get -f install" will it actually do the Right Thing or is stuff going to break? :P09:38
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HrdwrBoBEx-Cyber: maybe and maybe09:39
Ex-CyberHrdwrBoB: got any better ideas? :)09:39
whaq_i'm not in .au ... (does my ip point that way?)09:40
whaq_Destructo, much appreciated. I'll check them out.09:40
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Omoshiroiwhaq_ he never said you are in .au, he said he is, so he would have ordered from there.09:41
HrdwrBoBEx-Cyber: apt-get -f install will do as little as possible in order to make the system sane again09:41
OmoshiroiHrdwrBob good to know.09:41
Ex-CyberHrdwrBoB: okay, guess I may as well give it a shot then09:41
Ex-Cyberany idea where errors from dpkg go when apt is running it?09:41
whaq_oh, right, sorry bout that.09:42
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whaq_daniels, we're neighbors though. I'm in Jakarta.09:42
HrdwrBoBEx-Cyber: to your console09:42
danielswhaq_: oh, nice!09:42
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danielswhaq_: dapat berbahasa indo, tapi tidak dgn lancar09:43
whaq_daniels, i've been to some european countries, the states, china and other asian countries, but never once to au or nz =) i've some cousins and acquaintances there though.09:43
Ex-CyberHrdwrBoB: weird, all I saw was apt telling me that dpkg errored out09:43
whaq_daniels, haha hebat!09:43
danielswhaq_: well, nope, but yeah, if I was buying from anyone, they'd be Australian, which probably isn't too good for you09:43
danielswhaq_: :)09:43
Ex-Cyberwell, guess I don't have a lot of options09:43
whaq_daniels, actually, if there are any good sources from .au, the shipping charges and leadtime may be good. My other option would be local resellers (mostly expensive), or singapore.09:44
danielswhaq_: true dat09:44
danielswhaq_: yeah09:44
HrdwrBoBwhaq_: singapore would be my bet09:44
whaq_singapore it is then :)09:45
whaq_I've seen some ebay deals for last generation's hp boxes, new\non-refurb with maxed out config (4 or 6x 146GB scsi, etc) at less than 1/3rd of what it would cost here..09:46
Omoshiroithat sounds sweet whaq_09:47
LightyHi. I'm new to Linux and Ubuntu, but I'm an advanced computer user. Where can I change the Date format in the upper-right corner of the default Gnome/Ubuntu desktop? Currently, it says "Tue 18 Jan, 1:46 AM". I'd rather it say, "Tue, Jan 18, 1:46 AM". Help?09:47
whaq_Lighty, you're not joking are you?09:47
Destructoi wish someone would bitch slap davis spade again09:47
Destructodavid09:48
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whaq_hehe09:48
Omoshiroiso, why?09:48
Lightywhaq_: I'm curious...what makes you think I'm joking?09:48
whaq_Lighty, oh, the comma09:48
Lightywhaq_: And the day and month are switched.09:49
Destructowhy. becuase he isnt funny. and hes been riding chris farleys' long enought.09:50
Omoshiroiheh09:51
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^jude^hi09:51
^jude^can someone advise me? is it possible to run ubuntu with KDE? I really don't like the gnome interface, but I'm interested in trying ubuntu...09:52
whaq_anyone familiar with >50 users workgroup printing solution? (print server w/ quota support, etc)09:52
Omoshiroi^jude^ you could install KDE I suppose.09:53
^jude^Omoshiroi: Yeah, I supposed the same - I was hoping to chat with someone who had actually done it :)09:53
Riddell^jude^: yes, you can install KDE09:54
Riddellwe have KDE 3.3.2 in hoary09:54
Riddelland 3.2 in warty09:54
Lighty^jude^: Without even looking for it earlier, I found a reference to "Kubuntu". It's supposed to be a KDE-ified Ubuntu.09:54
whaq_sucky weather.. rainy but hot09:54
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Omoshiroiwhaq_ at least its not -35 degrees celcius like its been here for the last month ;)09:55
whaq_i used to live in Wisconsin, I kinda liked it :)09:55
Omoshiroiwisconsin is south of me, would be warmer :P09:55
^jude^Riddell: is that "we" as in your site, or is it planned for the next release?09:55
whaq_they stay below -10 for most of the time except a short summer, peaked at around -40..09:56
jdub^jude^: as in ubuntu has 3.3.2 in hoary already09:56
jdub^jude^: care of the kubuntu team09:56
Omoshiroiwhaq_ the city I live in is also very very windy, so its about -50 or so with the wind chill.09:56
kotauTime to go down for the new ATI drivers!09:56
Lighty^jude^: I just searched Synaptic and it reported a package of "kde" with all the juicy dependents hanging off it. So, it's just a few clicks away! :)09:57
whaq_Omoshiroi, hehe nice, where are you?09:58
^jude^jdub: thanks. In that case, I'll wait for that one to make full release I think09:58
RiddellLighty: kde is a big meta-package, you may be best installing kde-core and adding other things as needed09:58
OmoshiroiAlberta09:58
Omoshiroicanada09:58
jdubRiddell: the kde depends are scary, dude09:58
LightyRiddell: Not for me...just following up on ^jude^'s question.09:58
jdubRiddell: even kde-core was a bit whack09:58
whaq_Omoshiroi, is it far from calgary? My biz partner used to study there09:58
jdubRiddell: hope you guys can slicken them up a bit :)09:59
^jude^Lighty: If it's coming in April, I'll hang on - I've never used debian (redhat/fed since 7.2) and am not confident of getting it right on my own :)09:59
jdubRiddell: btw, do you know why arts doesn't have split up backend packages?09:59
jdubRiddell: currently it requires libjack and thus jackd - eeek!09:59
^jude^thanks for the info everyone09:59
Omoshiroicalgary is about an hour north whaq_09:59
danielsjdub: yeah, it should be broken up a bit09:59
Riddelljdub: I hope we can too09:59
danielsjdub: hysterical raisins, really09:59
Riddelljdub: never looked at arts in that way I'm afraid, will note to do so10:00
whaq_Omoshiroi, oh cool. he must've gotten his ass frozen up back there too then.10:00
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OmoshiroiI think calgary is a little warmer than here, cuz there is less wind.10:00
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Omoshiroiwind chill is where stuff really gets cold.10:03
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wfxhi, i cant start gnome-default-applications-properties (it does nothing)10:05
wfxno error nothing10:05
Omoshiroilol, right to the point!10:05
whaq_yeah really10:05
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wfxhow do i install the new xfce4.2 and xog?10:07
wfxxorg10:08
Omoshiroilol whaq_ want to hear something messed (windows)10:08
whaq_Omoshiroi, do tell brother =)10:09
OmoshiroiI formatted my Sata drive to make space for linux again and just to do a clean slate on it, windows says the drive is p: which is what I set it to, but when I download and get stuff sent to me it says its F:, but in windows I goto P: and the stuff is there :P10:09
whaq_hehehe how can that happen10:11
Omoshiroidunno10:11
whaq_dude, you have to reboot the PC everytime you copy or move files around in Windows10:11
Omoshiroiwindows set the drive to F as default.10:11
Omoshiroiand I have rebooted since I did that lol10:11
whaq_jk, i'm on a winxp workstation, i don't loath it.10:11
Omoshiroibut it still does the messed up thing10:11
whaq_haha that's messed up10:12
Omoshiroiim on an xp station as well.10:12
Omoshiroidoesnt really matter, im formatting in a few days.10:12
Omoshiroifriend just has my xp disc.10:12
whaq_go to computer management and set the partition's drive letter manually?10:12
Omoshiroihow do you think i set it to p: :P10:12
Omoshiroiits my programs drive, and misc downloads drive.10:13
Omoshiroiso P: fits it.10:13
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whaq_hm.. go to safe mode to make sure none of your p2p porn downloaders are hogging the folder, before changing the drive letter?10:14
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Omoshiroiwell this was off a fresh boot, and nothing boots on startup.10:14
randabislol10:14
Omoshiroiand my porn downloaders got deleted when I formatted the Programs drive, they are programs :P10:15
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whaq_hehe this is interesting..10:15
Omoshiroiyeah.10:15
Omoshiroiwindows doesnt do odd stuff like this when you change a drive and its in use, it corrupts the hell outta the drive.10:16
Omoshiroitrust me, I know.10:16
OmoshiroiI dont it accidentally once lol10:16
Omoshiroidone*10:16
whaq_honto ni omoshiroi, ne?10:16
Omoshiroihonto ga wakarimasen.10:16
whaq_haha that's nasty10:16
Omoshiroiwhats nasty?10:16
OmoshiroiI simply said I dont understand what honto means lol10:17
whaq_the corruption of microsoft windows10:17
Omoshiroiyou said "honto is interesting isnt it?" but I dont know what honto is.10:17
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Omoshiroioh windows didnt corrupt windows.10:17
Omoshiroiit fried the drive.10:17
Omoshiroiback to futurehshop it went!10:17
whaq_honto = true\truly10:17
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|nexi|hi10:18
Lowryhi10:18
^jude^thanks again for the help guys, I have to be off now10:18
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whaq_bye ^jude^10:18
DaNewBWhen I boot my system, I get "keyboard error or no keyboard present" from the BIOS... help!10:19
HrdwrBoBDaNewB: do you have a USB keyboard and an old bios10:19
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Omoshiroiis the keyboard plugged in?10:19
|nexi|have some problems with the distri install, after installing the basics and the reboot it hangs up at mbr ...grubs says error 13 any idea ?10:19
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Omoshiroisometimes things get accidently unplugged!10:20
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, the keyboard is PS/2 but it`s connected through a USB KVM switch10:20
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wfxwow :) gnome is fast the gnome-default-applications-properties app is now ready to use (it takes only ~12min. to start)10:20
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, and a USB to PS/2 adapter10:20
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da_bon_bonwhy is it always "patch -p0 < patch" ? why the p0 ?10:21
Keybukda_bon_bon: it's usually -p1 :p  number of bits of the path in the patch to strip10:21
Keybukif the patch patches "foo/bar/baz.c", -p0 says to really patch foo/bar/baz.c in the current directory10:21
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, was my explanation clear enough?10:21
looksausI have a problem with lp; cups is running fine10:22
Keybukquite often patches are made from "one directory up", so you want to strip the "foo" bit, thus -p110:22
da_bon_bonKeybuk: why would one want to strip it ?10:22
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da_bon_bonoh..10:22
looksauswon't print10:22
Omoshiroiim off, bye all10:22
looksauswhen I say lp file.pdf10:22
looksaus(or whatever)10:23
looksausif I say lpq10:23
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, as for the BIOS, it`s probably a little old (1.4Ghz P4 system), would upgrading firmaware help10:23
looksausI get "lpq: error - no default destination available."10:23
HrdwrBoBDaNewB: why not just straight into USB on the PC?10:23
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HrdwrBoBDaNewB: highly likely10:23
looksaus(this is on a box upgraded from Debian Sarge to Hoary)10:23
|nexi|have some problems with the distri install, after installing the basics and the reboot it hangs up at mbr ...grub says error 13 any idea ? <--andy help ?10:23
|nexi|-d10:23
Keybukda_bon_bon: I generally do something like "diff -ruNp foo-1.0~ foo-1.0" to make patches, so if you wanted to apply that inside foo-1.0 you need to strip the first bit of the patch filename10:24
looksaus/etc/printcap and /var/run/cups/printcap seems to be ok10:24
da_bon_bonKeybuk: say, i am in the mplayer_src directory, and the file patches avcodec/foo.c in mplayer_src/src dir, then what should i do ? p1 or p010:24
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, wait i`ll try that, good idea. (but the whole point is to be able to use my KVM switch..)10:24
HrdwrBoBDaNewB: didn't you say the KVM switch was USB?10:25
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DaNewBHrdwrBoB, KVM switch is USB but keyboard PS/2, so there is a USB to PS/2 adapter between10:29
HrdwrBoBum10:29
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, not clear?10:29
LightyHrdwrBob: Boy, I'm confused by that one!10:29
HrdwrBoBso keyboard PS/2->-usb->switch->-usb->PC ?10:30
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, ya (I think)10:30
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, the keyboard works when connected directly to the PS/2 port of the PC (of course)10:31
LightyDaNewB: How about getting a USB keyboard to plung into the switch?10:31
HrdwrBoBer10:31
HrdwrBoBI'm not sure that you can do that10:32
HrdwrBoBcan you even get adapters for that?10:32
HrdwrBoBunless the switch does it10:32
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, does what, i dont foolow you?10:32
LightyHrdwrBob: But he said the switch is USB.10:32
HrdwrBoBLighty: yeah that's what I'm confused over10:33
HrdwrBoBI have never seen PS/2 in USB out converter10:33
LightyHrdwrBob: So, it's PS/2 Keyboard into PS/2->USB Adapter into USB KVM Switch into PC's USB port.10:33
HrdwrBoByeah that's what I though10:33
HrdwrBoBDaNewB: has it worked before10:33
LightyI think! :s10:33
DaNewBLighty: thats correct10:34
HrdwrBoBlots of KVM switches with USB are also dodgy10:34
HrdwrBoBthey are just a switching hub10:34
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LightySo, what if the adapter is eliminated by getting a USB keyboard instead?10:34
HrdwrBoBthat unplugs the devices from one10:34
HrdwrBoBand plug in the other computer10:34
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, hasnt worked before, its new10:34
HrdwrBoBDaNewB: can you take a picture of the usb-> ps2 converter?10:34
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, BTW the box says "USB KVM switch combines the functions of KVM switch and general USB hub"...10:35
HrdwrBoByeah10:35
HrdwrBoBwas it cheap?10:36
HrdwrBoB:)10:36
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, average -> 50$ canadian10:36
HrdwrBoBno, that's cheap10:36
HrdwrBoBI used to sell KVM switches for a living :)10:36
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, no kidding? then I hope you can help me10:36
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DaNewBHrdwrBoB, the screen works though10:37
Lighty:)10:37
HwolfI've just spent the best 40 euro's ever. :-)10:37
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Stew2What can play MID (midi) files?10:37
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HrdwrBoBDaNewB: I'm just boggling at this PS/2 USB adapter10:37
HwolfDo you all fancy a horror story?10:37
HrdwrBoBI would recommend using a usb k/b10:38
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, i dont have a camera, but it says "USB to 2 PS/2 converter"10:38
jdubHrdwrBoB: come to HrdwrBoB's for KVM action! ;)10:38
HrdwrBoBjdub: heh yes :)10:38
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, cause you`re supposed to be able to plug both a ps2 keyboard and mouse10:39
HrdwrBoBjdub: back in the day when you could sell an 8port KVM+cables for $1800AU10:39
HrdwrBoBor more10:39
HrdwrBoBDaNewB: ahh ok now I know what you mean10:39
HrdwrBoBDaNewB: easiest eay to test, boot the machine with the keyboard in10:39
HrdwrBoBthen plug the USB thing in with the keyboard once it's booted10:40
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HrdwrBoBand you can see the connected USB devices10:40
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, oh I see... wait i`ll try10:40
kleedracWhat's the best news reader to apt-get?10:40
HrdwrBoBkleedrac: I've previously used pan, I'm not sure what is out there currently, but that was ok10:41
kleedracheh ... I've used pan in the past too ... is it in the apt-get repository?10:41
HwolfWHoa. OO2 is in!10:42
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HrdwrBoBkleedrac: yes, and it's in main10:42
kleedracGreat ... thanks HrdwrBoB :)10:42
kleedraclata10:42
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DaNewBHrdwrBoB, linux booted, now how do I check USB devices10:45
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, BTW my mouse is pluged in KVM switch and doesnt work10:46
HrdwrBoBhrm ok10:47
HrdwrBoBdmesg will show you recent kernel messages10:47
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, there is a few lines about "USB hub found" "2 ports detected" etc.10:50
wfxhihih!!! i do a open image (eog) from nautilus and now it is open (takes only ~45min.)10:50
HrdwrBoBDaNewB: well that looks good10:50
HrdwrBoBthat would be your KVM10:50
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, hmm, but mouse is connected to KVM (through USB->PS2 converter) yet not working10:51
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HrdwrBoBdo you have any USB devices that are really USB10:51
HrdwrBoBand does the converter work if it's plugged into the PC10:51
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, I have a USB joystick and a mouse (but it`s the one on this coputer, duh!)10:52
DaNewBHrdwrBoB I tried booting with keyboard through converter (but no KVM switch) and same result - error10:53
Stew2Any way to play MIDI files on ubuntu?10:53
knghtbrdTimidity++ may be in universe?10:54
HrdwrBoBDaNewB: plug the joystick into the KVM10:54
knghtbrdyeah10:54
saadexcellent: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/iProduct.gif10:54
knghtbrddon't use the Timidity patches though10:54
knghtbrdget yourself a soundfont10:54
Stew2knghtbrd. Yes, but it says I don't have a /etc/timidity.cfg10:54
knghtbrdoh, that's probably in the patches package10:55
knghtbrddo you have a soundfont?10:55
knghtbrdlike the one that came with an Audigy or Live or something?10:55
DaNewBHrdwrBoB joystick - done10:55
Stew2I have no idea what a soundfont is.10:55
knghtbrd.sf2 files from Creative Labs soundcards10:55
Stew2And put them where?10:56
HrdwrBoBDaNewB: AND IT CAME UP. RIGHT?10:56
HrdwrBoBsorry caps, kitten is attacking10:56
Stew2Does Ubuntu come with a FTPD running?10:56
DaNewBHrdwrBoB ya, in the device manager10:56
knghtbrdStew2: running, no10:56
HrdwrBoBso therefor, your USB ps/2 converter is shagged10:56
looksausStew2, now you know why I'm thinking of setting up a "MIDI support for Gstreamer" bounty10:56
Stew2knghtbrd Cause I could play this on the windows machine, if I setup the FTP Daemon.10:56
looksausI personally don't have a problem setting up MIDI on Linux10:57
looksausbut there are so many people who do10:57
HrdwrBoBsaad: that has nothing on the http://hrdwrbob.net/pics/geek/number9.jpg10:57
Stew2knghtbrd What, is there an FAQ on setting up the FTPD on ubuntu?10:57
knghtbrdrunning on localhost: ssh, smtp, rpcbind (why the hell?), ipp, tcp/810 (?), tcp/967 (?), and dict (because I installed dictd)10:57
HrdwrBoBknghtbrd: rpc on localhost only10:58
knghtbrdHrdwrBoB: ah, I didn't try the interface10:58
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HrdwrBoBby default, ubuntu has no externally listening ports10:58
DaNewBHrdwrBoB but it came with the KVM switch for that purpose. Er? :(10:59
knghtbrdyeah, on the interface is ssh, dict, and 967, whatever 967 is10:59
HrdwrBoBDaNewB: if it doesn't work when you plug it in, then it's broken.. you can take it back to them :)10:59
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HrdwrBoBtake it back, get one that does work10:59
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, unless it needs extra software for this feature to work? is that likely?11:00
HrdwrBoBno11:00
HrdwrBoBif it needs software it's broken11:00
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HrdwrBoBeven if it needs software, it'll come up as attached11:00
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, well the FutureShop guy did mention (quietly so I wouldnt hear) that it might need software from website or something..11:01
icerogueafter i change the interfaces file is there a way to restart my lan connection with out restarting11:01
Stew2I got it. I'm just goina install apache211:02
HrdwrBoBDaNewB: that's a bunch of garbage11:02
HrdwrBoBDaNewB: I would wager that he's not much idea of what he's talking about11:02
HrdwrBoB*got11:02
HrdwrBoBthe whole point of a KVM switch is that it's a hardware solution11:03
HrdwrBoBevery usb device, supported or not, will still come up as plugged in11:03
Hwolfhrdwrbob, hardware solutions are the best. I've just circumvented hours of trying to get pppoe up by buying a cheapish router. :-D11:04
Hwolf:-)11:04
HrdwrBoBnot to mention there's a standard keyboard and mouse USB HIG11:04
jdubhaha11:04
jdubHID11:04
HrdwrBoBHID11:04
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, ya you must be right11:04
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jdubyou been typing HIG too much? :)11:04
HrdwrBoBheh must be on the brain :)11:04
HrdwrBoBcomes down to muscle memoery vs thinking ;)11:05
HrdwrBoBthink HID write HIG11:05
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mchasardplease i'm under ubuntu 4.111:06
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, im just afraid they give me another one and it still doesnt work...11:06
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HrdwrBoBDaNewB: test it on a PC in the store11:06
mchasardand i dont find the way to save configuration on a usb key ?11:06
mchasardfor a live cd use11:07
DaNewBHrdwrBoB, you`re crazy, FutureShop, they have no time for 1 customer!11:07
mchasardthis feature exist or not ?11:07
Stew2Where's a good setup guide for configuring Apache2 in Ubuntu?11:07
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HrdwrBoBDaNewB: tell them this one doesn't work, and insist on it being tested on an instore PC before you leave11:07
Lowryany ppc users on/11:07
knghtbrdapparently I'm not the first person to ask what port 967 is, without an answer11:07
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DaNewBHrdwrBoB, well thanks for the advice :)11:08
HrdwrBoBthat's ok11:08
HrdwrBoBknghtbrd: what is using it11:08
knghtbrdNot sure11:08
HrdwrBoBknghtbrd: fuser -vn tcp 96711:08
mchasardso could you give me some information about ubuntu configuration save ?11:09
mchasardis it possible ?11:09
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knghtbrdthank you, I was trying to remember that--fuser is what I wanted11:09
HrdwrBoBStew2: http://ubuntuguide.org/#apachehttpserver11:09
HrdwrBoBthat's not really overly useful, but apache is the same all round11:09
knghtbrd967/tcp              root       4601 f....  rpc.statd11:09
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knghtbrdwhat was that about no open ports?  =)11:09
HrdwrBoBknghtbrd: no open *external* ports11:10
mchasardubuntu 4.1 is the same than gnoppix 0.8.2 warty ?11:10
knghtbrdthat's external11:10
knghtbrdalong with ssh and dict (which are both my fault)11:10
HrdwrBoBknghtbrd: netstat -an|grep 96711:10
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jdubknghtbrd: nfs-common is not installed by default11:10
mchasardhum11:10
knghtbrdtcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:967             0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN11:11
mchasardthanks for all ...11:11
knghtbrdwell I didn't select it for install11:11
mchasard;-(11:11
HrdwrBoBmchasard: sorry about that11:11
knghtbrdalthough I'm about to select it for UNinstall11:11
HrdwrBoBmchasard: no-one really uses the liveCD11:11
HrdwrBoBthat I've seen11:11
knghtbrdahh, I know how it got there.  It's priority standard11:12
icerogueok is it sad that i have a system siting right next to me and i am using ssh from this machine to get to it?11:12
jdubmchasard: yeah, the warty live cd is the same as the gnoppix livecd labelled warty11:12
knghtbrdstandard packages get installed.11:12
mchasardhum i ll believed that there was a way to save the cofiguration on a usb key like knoppix can do11:12
HrdwrBoBicerogue: no I do that all the time11:12
mchasardeven the design change for gnoppix11:12
jdubknghtbrd: nup. something installed it for you.11:12
jdubknghtbrd: but it's not on a default install.11:13
knghtbrdjdub: dselect did, because it's priority standard.11:13
knghtbrdnew + standard == install11:13
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jdub"don't do that"11:13
knghtbrdwhat, use dselect?11:13
mchasardok ...i have to search on the forum perhaps ...11:13
mchasardbye thanks11:13
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HrdwrBoBDaNewB: can you go there now? nfi what time is is in canadia11:15
dud[OS]  Debian 3.1; Kernel 2.6.9DUD (80 processes)11:15
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HrdwrBoBdud: please don't do that11:16
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DaNewBHrdwrBoB: 5:16 AM11:16
HrdwrBoBoh, hah11:17
HrdwrBoBjoke's on me11:17
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DaNewBHrdwrBoB: ugh! it always takes hours at FutureShop! and it`s far >:(11:18
icerogueok that is sad when it asks for the cd and i can just reach over and insert it (while using ssh)11:18
HrdwrBoBDaNewB: which is why you get it tested in the store :)11:19
DaNewBHrdwrBoB: seriously i think they prefer reimbursing me than doing that!11:20
HrdwrBoBDaNewB: haha, I wouldn't know, luckily we don't have futureshop in .au11:21
DaNewBHrdwrBoB: ooooh.. and i almost forgot, they had only 2 left (including mine)11:21
HrdwrBoBah11:21
HrdwrBoBok that might present a slight problem11:22
HrdwrBoBgo and yell at them anyway11:22
HrdwrBoBdemand the up spec product as a replacement11:22
HrdwrBoBtell them their service is shoddy11:22
HrdwrBoBif you crack it in the middle of the store, the manager will ofer you almost anything11:22
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DaNewBHrdwrBoB: im sure their bouncers will through me out like a dog11:23
DaNewBlol11:23
HrdwrBoBhaha11:23
HrdwrBoBwell, have fun, I'm off, fiance demands WoW time11:23
DaNewBHrdwrBoB: anyways i`ll take a chance, and if it doesnt work, i might buy a USB mouse and keybooard from A >DIFFERENT< store!11:23
HrdwrBoByeah good move :)11:24
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DaNewBHrdwrBoB: but this Cicero KVM switch looks good otherwise... if i give it back, do you have any suggestions on which model is best (at reasonable price)?11:25
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whaq_i bought one of those oem usb to 2 ps/2 converters for mac, didn't work at all11:28
whaq_ok11:28
DaNewBwhaq_: ok?11:29
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DaNewBwhaq_: so maybe mine is not really broken, it`s just...sucks?11:31
knghtbrdNYT: ICANN sucks, read all about it  ;)11:32
icerogueanyone know how to setup vertual users in courier?11:33
whaq_DaNewB, sorry? please disregard that11:34
DaNewBknghtbrd: sory but were you saying that to me? (I also said "sucks")11:34
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icerogueok how do you check your disk space, liek how much you have left on a partition11:37
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dwa_df -h11:38
iceroguethanks11:38
iceroguewow i have pretty much a complete web/mail/ftp server running in 800 MB11:39
icerogue841MB to be exact11:39
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icerogueman i love synaptic11:51
iceroguealmost as good as portage11:52
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broodstercan someone answer me really quick?11:53
broodsterhow do i burn a music cd???11:53
DaNewBbroodster see the wiki11:53
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DaNewBbroodster that was quick, eh? :D11:54
broodsteruhh11:55
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OmoshiroiHello.11:55
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DaNewBbroodster search on ubuntulinux.org in the wiki11:56
Outlanderdoes ubuntu boot and install from a dvd drive yet? i had issues when i tried it some months ago11:57
OmoshiroiI am trying to get ndiswrapper working, however, the references I have found tell me to use Synaptic, but synamptic doesnt see ndiswrapper on the CD, the reason I want ndiswrapper is because I dont have a nic other than the onboard one that isnt being loaded off install, I actually dont even know what module I would load to get it to work but know what chipset it uses.11:57
Outlandernormal cd but booted in a dvd drive, it seemed it couldnt detect the dvd drive properly11:57
broodsterdanewb can u just give me instructions? im in a rush11:58
Omoshiroiim not sure exactly where dpkg would place the source that I found online...11:59
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broodsterk screw this gonna burn it on windows12:00
broodsterthx anyways12:00
DaNewBbroodster http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AudioCDCreation12:01
DaNewBooop12:01
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Omoshiroidoes anyone know a good place to find debian packages?12:01
KeybukOmoshiroi: the Ubuntu "universe" section12:02
OmoshiroiUbuntu "universe" section???12:03
MM2Omoshiroi: edit /etc/apt/sources.list12:04
OmoshiroiI dont have network to begin with, this is why im on windows, dual boot machine.12:04
Omoshiroiif you can give me a path as to where my source went to that would be great, then I can just compile it, if not it went to some void that I will never know and ill download a tar.gz :P12:05
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Omoshiroicuz the only .deb file I found was a source file. and it didnt seem like dpkg took long enough to compile it, and I dont think it does anyways.12:06
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Omoshiroiim new to debian.12:06
seb128somebody able to reproduce the panel/nautilus/vfs lock in hoary here ?12:07
seb128I've put patched packages that might fix the issue: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/vfs/ ... any feedback would be welcome12:07
Omoshiroiwell, seems like no one has an answer so ill be off with my normal source, just like I would in slackware to compile from source lol.12:07
DaNewBOmoshiroi: you`re not supposed to download .deb files yourself, use Synaptic or apt-get12:08
Omoshiroilack of network...12:08
Omoshiroiwhich is why I want ndiswrapper.12:08
DaNewBOmoshiroi: you have the .deb file you want?12:08
Omoshiroiyes.12:08
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Omoshiroiit says its a source file though12:08
Omoshiroiso I assume I still have to compile it.12:09
Omoshiroidont know how debian works with that.12:09
DaNewBOmoshiroi: yes, but not with make, etc.12:09
DaNewBOmoshiroi: i think it`s something like apt-build file.src.deb12:09
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Omoshiroiok thanks.12:09
OmoshiroiI tried dpkg -i file.src.deb12:09
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Omoshiroiill go try that apt-build command and see if it works, if not ill be back.12:10
Cube-nesshey.. My networking just stopped working.. my local lan is 192.168.0.x.. i have a gateway at 192.168.0.1 that connects me to 192.168.254.x.. which is where the dsl router/modem is..  For some reason i can now only reach 192.168.0.x computers, 192.168.254.x gives "network unreachable"..how can i resolve this?12:11
mjg59Cube-ness: How are you getting addresses?12:14
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grdis it possible to install gparted on warty?12:15
Cube-nessmjg59, static.. i just did route -n and i see that its not setting the gateway12:15
grdand if so, how... I'm a quite new to the ubuntu and debian worlds, but trying to run dpkg on the .deb package lists libparted1.6-12 as prereq which isn't avaliable in the package database..12:17
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mewkatnew to ubuntu12:19
mewkathow do I close X server?12:19
mewkatinit 3 doesn't work12:19
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Cube-nessbtw.. how do i restart the networking in ubuntu?12:19
mewkathow do I close xserver in ubuntu? init 3 doesn't work12:19
mjg59Cube-ness: ifdown -a; ifup -a12:19
seb128sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart12:20
mewkatneed to isntall nVidiadriver12:20
Cube-nessmjg59, ok..now why is my compute failing to get a gateway set?12:20
mjg59mewkat: invoke-rc.d gdm stop12:20
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mjg59Cube-ness: Have you checked it's set in the network preferences tool?12:20
tnvuany ubuntu amd64 users? i'm having trouble using the expert installer mode -- at the install base system stage and selecting my kernel fails12:20
tnvui'm good w/ debian and want to use ubuntu for the amd64 support12:21
Cube-nessmjg59, yes.. when i tries the ifdown, i get an error about too few params for the iface line12:21
mjg59Cube-ness: Sounds like your /etc/network/interfaces file has got mangled somehow12:22
jdubtnvu: don't use the expert mode. it's pants.12:22
jdubtnvu: there's really no need. :)12:22
outsider1whats the differnece between multiverse and universe?12:22
jduboutsider1: multiverse is contrib/non-free12:22
DaNewBmewkat, ctrl-alt-backspace12:22
Cube-nessgot it fixed.. hehe12:23
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grdis there somebody that can help me, or should I turn elsewhere?12:23
DaNewBgrd, you asked something?12:24
tnvubah, so used to expert from debian, let's try the magic install :)12:24
grdDaNewB, yep.. about installing gparted...12:24
grdI've tried downloading the deb files from gparteds homepage, but they list a higher version of libparted than whats avaliable, so I'm wondering where to go next...12:25
outsider1to change the server NTP updates from, do i edit /etc/defaults/ntpdate12:26
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Cube-nessmjg59, all the iface lines were missing an arg.. static/dhcp part.. i have NO idea how they all get stripped12:31
raghuhow to find version of package??12:31
grdDaNewB, where do I go for help?12:31
mjg59Cube-ness: Weird12:32
DaNewBgrd, here they also give the required libparted http://gparted.sourceforge.net/download.php12:32
Cube-nessyeah12:32
Cube-nessvery12:32
DaNewBgrd, did you try that?12:32
grdDaNewB, and it's safe to just replace the existing?12:32
Cube-nessi am running hoary.. i an do notice that the network config app is differnet.. maybe its to blame somehow12:33
Cube-nessdifferent in a recent update i did12:33
raghuhow to find version of package??.....if it is yet to be installed means??12:33
DaNewBgrd, no idea, but they say they have ubuntu packages on their homepage12:34
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Omoshiroihas anyone used ndiswrapper here?12:35
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Omoshiroior installed rather.12:36
DaNewBOmoshiroi, did you find out about apt-build?12:36
Omoshiroiits apt-get source but it didnt work.12:36
vpalleim trying to set up mu PATH variable som that I can use alt-F2 in gnome and run commands from ~/bin.. how would i do that?12:36
Omoshiroivpalle, every linux distro I have used if you press ctrl+alt+Fx it will bring you to a terminal.12:37
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DaNewBvpalle, the "export" command might be what you want12:37
abellijdub: ding12:38
iceroguewow i just doubled the length of the postfix config file12:38
jdubabelli: pong12:38
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DaNewBvpalle, just *might* (im a confused newb)12:39
vpalleIve added export PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}" to .bash_profile and .bashrc12:39
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vpallewhich is for interactive and login shells12:39
vpallebut gnome is completely ignoring it12:39
OmoshiroiDaNewB, I think I found what I needed looking in the man page online, thanks for directing me to someplace where it might be.12:39
vpallegnome-terminal is not12:40
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DaNewBOmoshiroi, hey, np12:40
vpalleive also tryied adding it to /etc/profile without any luck..12:40
abellijdub: what about the mailing list, im the country l* now12:40
OmoshiroiI need to do a apt-get --no-download -b package.deb12:40
jdubabelli: what's your preferred admin address?12:40
Omoshiroiwell ill be back if things dont work to ask more, and if it does work ill be back in linux ;)12:41
abelliandrea@ubuntuitalia.org12:41
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grdDaNewB, it installs at least... wonder how I missed that link... well, thanks for pointing it out12:42
DaNewBgrd, cool, im always proud (as a n00b) of helping others :)12:42
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abelli_jdub: sorry.. a powerdown..12:43
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Albi78hi guys!12:46
Albi78can anyone tell me how can I acces my usb flash disk?12:46
MM2Albi78: just plug it in?12:47
Albi78i pulged it in, but nothing happens, in the device manager shows up, but how do I acces it?12:48
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DaNewBAlbi78, no icon appears on desktop?12:51
Albi78nope12:51
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Albi78I tried to mount it but it doesn't work like other linux... not very good at this... it used to be /mnt/removable...12:51
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fmazoithello there12:52
MM2Albi78: try /media/sda112:52
fmazoitI have a problem with the bugzilla system12:52
Albi78I have only cdrom, cdrom0, floppy, floppy012:53
fmazoitcan anybody help me report that bug or report it for me?12:53
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MM2Albi78: my stick will appear on desktop from /media/sda1... :/12:56
Omoshiroiok, not quite working but at least in my search I found some installation instructions.12:56
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Albi78it's very odd that the device is detected but not mounted... I can see it in the device manager12:56
Albi78k, I'll try rebooting the machine12:58
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fmazoit:(01:02
fmazoitthen no bug report01:02
fmazoitbye bye01:02
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albi78nope, it is still not working01:05
albi78I,ve seen some services with fatal error at boot-up01:05
albi78pciehp and shchp... something with hotplug...01:05
albi78can it be the reason for my flash disk not working?01:06
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MM2hotplug sounds bad01:06
MM2I think it loads modules to USB devices01:06
DaNewBis gpdf better than xpdf?01:06
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albi78how can I find out why those services fail?01:07
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DaNewBnvm gpdf ~= xpdf01:09
MM2albi78: too old motherboard?01:09
albi78it is old :)01:09
MM2that could be it01:09
MM2linux is not windows :(01:09
genthank god.01:10
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genand no shit.01:10
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albi78mandrake worked fine...01:11
mjg59albi78: pciehp and shchp are only present on high-end hardware01:11
jdubDaNewB: we shipped xpdf because it handled more pdf types that gpdf did in 2.801:11
mjg59They'll fail to load on most machines. That doesn't hurt anything01:11
jdubDaNewB: that should be fully rectified in 2.1001:11
albi78so nothing to do with my flashdisk not working?01:11
mjg59albi78: Nope01:12
DaNewBjdub, that's fine, i can wait :)01:12
DaNewBjdub, since you're in the know, is there some good free pdf maker for Linux?01:14
albi78then why can't I acces my flash disk?01:14
jdubDaNewB: you can print pdfs from OOo01:14
MM2DaNewB: ps2pdf?01:14
jdubDaNewB: you can convert postscript output to pdf with ps2pdf01:15
jdubDaNewB: that covers pretty much everything01:15
DaNewBjdub, MM2: ok then, cool01:15
jdubDaNewB: you can make a samba pdf 'printer' for windows clients to use, that will email back the results. that's really handy for windows clients in offices.01:15
mjryeah01:16
DaNewBjdub, thats too much for my needs, but nice tip01:16
jdubthis is FOSS dude01:16
jdubit's totally hardcore :)01:17
albi78mjg59: my flash disk is detected in device manager but i can't acces it, it isn\t mounted01:17
mjrthough ps2pdf often doesn't make "optimal" pdf, it's good enough for most things01:17
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jdubDaNewB: wait until i tell you about fax printing against a 20000 modem fax farm with hylafax!01:17
MM2jdub: is there a documentation about that pdf printing?01:17
jdubMM2: there are heaps of scripts around, check google: samba pdf printer01:18
DaNewBjdub, you freak ;)01:18
jdubyou might find a couple of mine ;)01:18
jdubDaNewB: actually, for a really cool hack, google for: slug jdub gdm vnc01:18
jdubi think that'll find it01:18
jdubhah, so it does01:19
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mjrjdub, nice01:20
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mjr(but I'd still like encryption added into the fray)01:21
mjr'course, ssh redirects will do, but not really handy that way01:21
nadhi, when is the next ubuntu release due ? .. the faq dont say01:21
dudubuntu has a 6 months release cycle doesnt it?01:22
naddud: the last one was in october ..so the next is due in .. a 6 weeks ?01:23
jdubnad: march for preview, april for final01:23
nadgood math01:23
jdubnad: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule01:24
nadjdub: thnx01:24
albi78guys! any idea why my usb flash disk isn't mounted? but it shows up in the device manager01:25
jdubalbi78: is gnome-volume-manager running?01:26
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cefhey, what's the ubuntu equiv package of xlibmesa-glu in debian (don't have an ubuntu box to check this atm - when will there be a packages.ubuntu.org ??)?01:28
albi78JDUB: how can I find out?01:28
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ograalbi78: ps ax|grep volume01:31
hbosxlibmesa-glu exists in ubuntu cef01:33
hbosin main even01:33
cefhbos: ahh cool. wandering thru the archive's pool directory wasn't helping01:33
hboscef apt-cache search xlibmesa did the trick for me:)01:33
hbosi must note that i'm using hoary on this box, but no idea if that matter for this package01:34
cefthere's a -dev package too I'm guessing?01:37
albi78running that command gives me this:01:37
albi78 3971 ?        Ss     0:00 gnome-volume-manager --sm-client-id default501:37
albi78so it's working right?01:38
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cefhbos: my new laptop has still not yet arrived (at this rate, it'll be totally obsolete by the time I get it), so stuck on debian on this old hunk of junk for the moment01:38
OmoshiroiHi, Still having issues with ndiswrapper.01:38
Omoshiroibut it seems it may be a ubuntu issue and not a ndiswrapper issue...01:39
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Omoshiroidoes anyone know where the kernel sources are placed when ubuntu is installed?01:40
Omoshiroithis is the error I get when I run a make install like I am supposed to01:40
Omoshiroimake -C driver install01:40
Omoshiroimake[1] : Entering directory `/usr/src/ndiswrapper-0.12/driver'01:40
OmoshiroiCan't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build;01:40
Omoshiroi  give the path to kernel sources with KSRC=<path> argument to make01:40
Omoshiroimake[1] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/ndiswrapper-0.12/driver'01:40
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cefhbos: only reason I really queried it is because xlibmesa-glu in debian references xfree86, and I wasn't sure if it was still there in hoary01:40
ograOmoshiroi: ndiswrapper is included in ubuntu, no need to colpie it yourself01:41
dudyou have to install the kernel source with apt-get Omoshiroi01:41
ogracompile even01:42
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Omoshiroiogra, its not on the CD...01:42
dudor cold pie01:42
ograhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper/01:42
Omoshiroiogra, been there done that doesnt work.01:43
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ograOmoshiroi: its in the restricted modules package and additionally needs the ndiswrapper-utils01:43
Omoshiroiwhich requires network access doesnt it?01:43
ograOmoshiroi: it works for all the other ppl01:43
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Omoshiroiogra, if you know how to get it working, give some instructions and Ill do it, but as far as I can see, its not there.01:44
ograOmoshiroi: you probably need to download the package and copy it over from anoter machine, like you did with the source package you try to compile.....01:44
Omoshiroifrom another machine... same machine, dual boot.01:44
ograOmoshiroi: thats what i meant01:45
Omoshiroiwhat is it that I need to get then?01:45
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ograOmoshiroi: the matching linux-restricted-mopdules package for your running kernel01:45
Omoshiroiso in synaptic just do a search for linux or what?01:46
ograOmoshiroi: and ndiswrapper-utils01:46
ograOmoshiroi: look for linux and for restricted.....01:46
Omoshiroias I said.01:46
Omoshiroindiswrapper is not on the cd01:46
OmoshiroiI did a search01:46
Omoshiroiwhich is why I am trying to source compile it.01:46
Omoshiroiyou need network to be able to access the repository, which I dont have.01:47
ograOmoshiroi: its much cleverer to use the packaged ones, else you need to recompile ndiswrapper on kernel upgrades01:47
Omoshiroiogra, I would if I had network, which is why I want ndiswrapper...01:47
ograhttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1/01:48
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ograhttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-utils_0.10-1_i386.deb01:49
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Omoshiroiis there any diff between the  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386_2.6.8.1.3-4_i386.deb and the  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-4-386_2.6.8.1.3-5_i386.deb?01:51
larsrohdinHI01:51
larsrohdindoes someone know how to play movieclips in fullscreen mode in mplayer?01:52
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Omoshiroiogra, is that all I need is those two packages?01:53
Omoshiroiso just dpkg -i those two packages and I should be good?01:53
ograOmoshiroi: you install them with dpkg -i <packagename.deb> then :)01:54
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ograOmoshiroi: if you have them installed follow the instructions in the doc01:54
Omoshiroiok01:54
Omoshiroiill be back if things dont work again.01:54
ZzeCoOlaahahahaha01:55
ZzeCoOlprint screen working at ubuntu01:55
ZzeCoOli notice by an accident right now01:55
ZzeCoOl:>01:55
ZzeCoOlnoticed01:56
ZzeCoOlyeah01:56
ZzeCoOlubuntu?? i mean "hoary"01:56
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larsrohdindoes someone know how to play movieclips in fullscreen mode in mplayer?01:58
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netmonkpressing "F", i think01:58
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larsrohdinyes, the window gets big, but the movie is still small01:59
iceroguedoes anyone know much about mysql here?01:59
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DaNewBlarsrohdin, maybe the aspect ratio? just a guess02:01
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larsrohdinhow to change the aspect ratio then?02:04
DaNewBlarsrohdin, check in the menu, somewhere..02:04
larsrohdina menu in mplayer?02:05
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DaNewBlarsrohdin, oh you use the commandline interface?02:05
larsrohdini don't... there's no menu at least02:05
DaNewBwhat the?02:05
zeedolol @ File Server02:06
ZzeCoOlWhich is the best for u guys MPLAYER >>> or <<< XINE and WHY?02:06
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DaNewBlarsrohdin, xine cause better GUI front-ends02:07
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DaNewBlarsrohdin, that was for ZzeCoOl02:07
ZzeCoOl:>02:07
larsrohdinok... but what should i do?02:08
ZzeCoOlDaNewB :) morning02:08
DaNewBZzeCoOl, hey :)02:08
DaNewBlarsrohdin, how do you start mplayer?02:08
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larsrohdini open a movie file, using "open with"02:08
ZzeNewBZzeCoOl, lol02:08
ZzeCoOlahhh02:08
ZzeCoOlahh02:08
ZzeCoOl:)02:08
larsrohdinnice02:09
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DaCoOlhehe02:09
ZzeNewBZzeCoOl, hah02:09
DaCoOl:>02:09
ZzeNewBoops02:09
larsrohdinhow should i open it?02:09
ZzeNewBDaCoOl, i meant this02:10
DaCoOlZzeNewB what?02:10
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ZzeNewBlarsrohdin, but which program do you select in open with?02:10
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larsrohdinmplayer02:11
ZzeNewBDaCoOl, nothing, but hey, this is confusing, ill change back...02:11
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DaCoOlok02:11
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DaNewBZzeCoOl, we're back to normal. aaaaahh..02:11
ZzeCoOl... Axxx02:11
ZzeCoOl:P02:11
DaNewBlarsrohdin, try gmplayer02:12
ZzeCoOlstrange i have tryied to install mplayer right now02:12
DaNewBZzeCoOl, and there is no gmplayer, right?02:12
ZzeCoOland it wants to remove lame encoding... for mp302:12
ZzeCoOlno no02:12
larsrohdinok02:13
DaNewBlarsrohdin, you tried? it worked?02:13
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ZzeCoOlit seams that it is using he own codecs that conflicts with lame codecs02:13
ZzeCoOl"lame" <----mp3 codec02:13
ZzeCoOl:> just in case02:13
larsrohdinjust the same... no menu02:14
DaNewBZzeCoOl, i know 8-)02:14
ZzeCoOl<.<02:14
ZzeCoOl>.>02:14
ZzeCoOlO_O02:14
LePiafsorry ppl, are there any ubuntu "officials" here, have some very wicked problem with customs/post offices here02:14
ZzeCoOlDaNewB O_<'02:14
jdubLePiaf: yeah?02:15
DaNewBlarsrohdin, well try pressing keys... perhaps "m" or right-click on the window02:15
DaNewBlarsrohdin, thing is I dont have mplayer right now, I used too long ado02:15
larsrohdinok, ill try that02:15
larsrohdinno, nothin...02:16
larsrohdindo you think i should try xine instead?02:16
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ZzeCoOlj/k02:17
ZzeCoOl:>02:17
DaNewBZzeCoOl, I should widen my repertoire of smileys02:17
ZzeCoOlhehe02:17
ZzeCoOlyes02:17
DaNewBlarsrohdin, well Totem+Xine, try that02:18
ZzeCoOlthere are 4 or 5 guys here that helps a lot02:18
larsrohdinim gonna try to download some extra multimedia plugins i found...02:19
ograZzeCoOl: the financial departments Presidenttt """"jdub"""" ????02:19
ZzeCoOl<ZzeCoOl> j/k02:19
larsrohdinwhat should i download to make totem-xine work then? because the player that came with the installation wont play my movieclips...02:20
larsrohdinok, another question... whats the command line for switchdesk in ubuntu?02:21
DaNewBlarsrohdin, apt-get install totem-xine02:21
larsrohdinok, but isn't that the player that comes with ubuntu?02:21
ZzeCoOlDaNewB if you install totem-xine at hoary it removes ubuntu-desktop02:21
ZzeCoOlO_o02:22
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DaNewBlarsrohdin, you're on Warty, right?02:22
omoshiroiogra thanks for the links.02:22
larsrohdinthink so=) installed it yesterday02:22
ograomoshiroi: did it work ?02:22
DaNewBlarsrohdin, if you dont know, then you are02:22
larsrohdinlol ok02:22
omoshiroiwell, im in ubunto now ;)02:22
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ZzeCoOlahh yeah another ogra thing!!! I hate u cause your knowledge :))))))))02:22
ograomoshiroi: yeah02:23
omoshiroionly thing I had forgotten was my damn ssid lol02:23
HostingGeekwhats the gnome pop3 checking applet called?02:23
omoshiroiso I had to goto windows to check what I had set it to :P02:23
DaNewBlarsrohdin, no it's the same front-end (totem) but a different back-end(xine) than what comes with ubuntu02:23
ZzeCoOlHostingGeek just install gdesklet..... there are much more beautifull02:24
larsrohdinok, ill give it a shot...02:24
HostingGeekZzeCoOl: no i want a applet so i can see it in my panel02:24
ZzeCoOlaha02:24
ZzeCoOlwait a sec02:24
ograZzeCoOl: the ubuntu-desktop pkg is only a empty meta package that is needed for clean updates between stable versions....you can safely remove it until you upgrade to the next stable releas02:24
ZzeCoOlaha02:25
larsrohdinwhen the next ubuntu version comes, will i have to install it or can i upgrade this version?02:25
ZzeCoOlthanx02:25
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ogralarsrohdin: upgrade...02:25
DaNewBlarsrohdin, you can update!02:25
larsrohdinok, nice02:25
ogralarsrohdin: either form the Cd or from the net02:25
larsrohdinwhat about upgrading programs like open office?02:25
DaNewBlarsrohdin, you might also want to apt-get install w32codecs02:25
larsrohdinthats the codecs im installing right now02:26
jdubHostingGeek: are you on hoary?02:26
HostingGeekyes02:26
jdubok, n/m02:26
jdubthe mailcheck applet was removed in 2.1002:26
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HostingGeekjdub: why?02:26
eruinanyone here sometimes have the problem that gnome panel doesn't load properly? (ie just displays as a gray blob)02:27
omoshiroianyone know why I am now getting stuff saying apt-get couldnt stat packages?02:27
ograHostingGeek: because there will be something better02:27
jdubHostingGeek: because the maintainer wanted to02:27
HostingGeekjdub: i need something like it02:27
HostingGeekbut to be in the panel02:27
HostingGeeki don't want to leave evolution open....02:27
HostingGeekwell will there be a replacement in gnome 2.1002:28
jdubtry flink02:28
eruinwhat do you need?02:28
jdubno02:28
eruinflink is great02:28
ograHostingGeek: there is something on gnomefiles.org02:28
HostingGeekwhats flink?02:28
jdubit's a mail checking applet dude02:28
seb128eruin: do you still get this panel bug ?02:28
ograHostingGeek: a mailckeck applet02:28
jdubwhich is what you're asking for02:28
seb128eruin: are you on i386 ?02:28
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eruinseb128: yes02:30
omoshiroiwaht do the little stars mean beside packages in synaptic?02:30
eruinseb128: I had the problem, then it seemed to go away, then I updated again last night and the problem is back02:30
seb128eruin: could you install the packages on http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/vfs/ ?02:30
eruinsure02:30
seb128they have a patch for that02:30
seb128but since I don't have the bug here, I need people to give feedback on it02:31
seb128let me know if you get the issue with these packages02:31
eruinwilldo02:31
eruininstalling them now02:33
HostingGeekogra: cooool02:33
eruinseb128: there's no bugreport for this?02:33
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dellahiya02:34
dellais it possible to see the debian menu in gnome as it happens in vanilla debian?02:35
HostingGeekyes02:35
jdubdella: not in warty02:36
jdubdella: if you're running hoary, install menu-xdg02:36
HostingGeekjdub: what person which used debian will not be using hoary right now?02:36
jdubHostingGeek: quite a few. silly question.02:37
DaNewBHostingGeek, what is the debian menu?02:37
dellaHostingGeek, me :-)02:37
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omoshiroisheesh there is alot to update lol.02:37
dellaI'm perfectly fine with warty and ubuntu-backports :-)02:37
HostingGeekdella: 0_o02:37
DaNewBdella, me too, for now...02:37
HostingGeekDaNewB: don't act stupid02:38
omoshiroiubuntu has some odd release names.02:38
DaNewBHostingGeek, what is the debian menu?02:38
jdubDaNewB: the debian menu is a cross-desktop menu system02:38
jdubDaNewB: basically, each package has a menu file02:38
ograomoshiroi: odd release names ?02:39
jdubDaNewB: and the menu system generates the right entries for the tool you use (might be a window manager, menu program, whatever)02:39
omoshiroiyes, warty and hoary, just kinda interesting names.02:39
jdubDaNewB: gnome used to have hard-coded support for the debian menu02:39
DaNewBjdub, so would replace "Applications" and "Computer" in Hoary?02:39
jdubDaNewB: now we use the xdg standard items that menu-xdg generates instead02:40
jdubDaNewB: no, it's just another category in the applications menu02:40
DaNewBjdub, sounds cool, i've got a few apps that dont have menu entries02:40
ograomoshiroi: suggest better ones (there will be a release every 6 months, son new names are needed soon ;) )02:41
jdubDaNewB: if they're for things in supported, file bugs.02:41
jdubDaNewB: if they're for things in universe, we may accept patches.02:41
dellajdub: I have a menu-xdg package installed (from universe)02:41
omoshiroiogra hehe, most linux distributions seem to have odd names now that I think of it.02:41
jdubdella: if you're on warty, the debian menu won't appear.02:42
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dellajdub: so what is the purpose of menu-xdg in warty?02:42
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DaNewBjdub, sorry, ya , those apps are not supported nor universe (multiverse I think)02:42
jdubdella: it's just sitting in there in universe :)02:42
JamesDotComwhat's the name of the program ran after the reboot in a new installation... the one that configures everything?02:43
jdubdella: anything that uses the xdg standard will include those items02:43
JamesDotComneed to run it again02:43
jdubdella: gnome didn't support the xdg standard until 2.10 (which is in hoary)02:43
ograJamesDotCom: base-config02:43
JamesDotComogra: thanks02:43
omoshiroijdub so is hoary going to be the next stable release?02:44
dellajdub: I see02:44
jdubomoshiroi: yes. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule02:44
dellamenu-xdg is thrown in by kdelibs4-bin02:44
DaNewBjdub, im looking forward to Hoary :>02:45
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omoshiroijdub, could you not just use apt or synaptic to update to a higher gnome?02:45
jdubAzN_devil: please don't do that.02:45
jdubomoshiroi: no.02:45
DaNewBjdub, this is the only distro till now I look forward to the next release but not because im missing anything currently, good sign!02:46
jdubDaNewB: rockin' ;)02:46
ograomoshiroi: ubuntu is tied to the gnome release schedule, so you will get a new gnome if you upgrade to the next stable ubuntu02:46
omoshiroiah02:46
omoshiroiim not really familiar with out debian works or anything, its quite interesting.02:46
omoshiroialways used slackware up till now.02:47
jdubomoshiroi: this is ubuntu. :)02:47
omoshiroiubuntu is still debian based, uses the same tools and such.02:47
jdubsure, but the answer to that question is very much an ubuntu answer.02:47
omoshiroiI am impressed with ubuntu's hardware detection though.02:48
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DaNewBjdub, plus it's 1st time I speak with a dev, which is cool ;)   (except on Gentoo actually)02:49
omoshiroiGentoo was nice also.02:49
DaNewBAs i've said before, if it ends in "U", it's good02:49
DaNewB(except for Debian)02:50
HostingGeekDaNewB: on gentpoo techinically every one is a devel as they build there own binaries for the whole distro02:50
HostingGeekDaNewB: haha you nick is bad02:50
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DaNewBHostingGeek, hey! >:(02:50
HostingGeekuDaNewB: my nick is good now02:50
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HostingGeekuDagaZ: hmm none of the staffers are good02:52
mjrby the way, someone with hoary and the dev. gnome, is this bug still around: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13321102:52
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mjr(report includes a test program for the bug)02:53
mjrjust wondering if the report's been forgotten...02:53
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HostingGeekuiluvubuntu: watch this02:54
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Ubuntuhehe02:54
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omoshiroihehe02:54
AcidPilshi all anyone got fglrx-driver working with the newest version?02:54
HostingGeeki don't want to get banned iluvubuntu i hope you understand02:55
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mjg59AcidPils: It ought to be in Hoary now02:58
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omoshiroiwell im out.02:58
jdubmjr: every now and then02:58
mjg59xorg-driver-fglrx_6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu1_i386.deb02:59
AcidPilsmjg59: i know... but it doesnt work02:59
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AcidPilsif i do ap-get install fglrx-driver i get this:02:59
mjrjdub, hm?02:59
AcidPilshttp://nopaste.phpfi.com/4660802:59
AcidPilsany idea?02:59
mjrjdub, I'll take that as a "yes"? :)03:00
mjror rather, :03:00
mjror rather, :(03:00
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mjg59AcidPils: Remove xfree86-driver-fglrx first03:01
mjr'cause, you know, can't be my fingers that's the problem03:01
AcidPilsmjg59: same problem: Unpacking fglrx-driver and then the same diversions03:02
mjg59AcidPils: I'd file a bug, then03:03
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jdubAzN_devil: please don't do that.03:07
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zeedojdub: fun, huh :-P03:08
zeedobeen a while since I seen dcc fileservers03:09
AcidPilshmm.. i did another apt-get upgrade and everything is fine :)03:09
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jonopitti, ping03:10
pittijono: pong03:10
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jonopitti, do you remember, a while back I spoke to you about a hack I was writing about project utopia?03:10
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cioppihello all :)03:10
pittijono: I don't remember the particular hack any more, sorry03:11
cioppiis there any italian?03:11
cioppifor a pvt session on ubuntu :)03:11
Riddellcioppi: /join #ubuntu-it03:11
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jonopitti, well you put the pmount patch online at http://www.piware.de/ubuntu/ubuntu-pmount.diff and now the book is going to production phase, that url has been flagged up as dead03:11
cioppiriddell, i'm on this channel yet :)03:11
pittijono: ah, right03:12
cioppibut there isn't user that can help me about the hardware supported by ubuntu?03:12
pittijono: yes, a while ago I cleaned up my webserver03:12
cioppiexcuse me for th bad english.... I'm 12 y-o :-D03:12
jonopitti, I basically need a new url with the patch before the book can go to production - could you stick it somewhere else online?03:12
pittijono: I considered it only a temporary URL03:12
jdubcioppi: my english was terrible at 12 too :-)03:13
jdubcioppi: what do you need to know?03:13
cioppilol03:13
cioppiwell03:13
pittijono: I can use the same URL if you need03:13
jonopitti, is there anywhere more permenant you can put it03:13
pittijono: however, what was this patch about?03:13
cioppiif my modem *usb* it's supported :)03:13
jonoif possible03:13
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jonobrb phone03:13
cioppiit is the alcatel speedtouch 33003:13
pittijono: yes, people.ubuntu.com or people.debian.org03:13
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jdubcioppi: hmm, have you tried the speedtouch package?03:14
cioppier.... no :-D03:14
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jdubthat's a user space driver - no kernel problems, etc.03:14
jonopitti,  people.debian.org03:14
cioppiI haven't yet ubuntu, jdub03:15
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jdubcioppi: there is also the speedtch kernel driver, but i'm not sure which one is better03:15
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shizzleanhi.. how do I enable prt fowarding in ubuntu?03:15
cioppijdub, i'm waiting for installing ubuntu before i'm sure that this support my modem :)03:15
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shizzleanoops. port fowarding03:16
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shizzleanssh specifically03:16
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DaNewBare IRC nicks case-sensitive?03:17
jdubcioppi: http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+speedtouch -> comes up with quite a bit03:17
jonopitti, back, can you stick patch on people.debian.org for me?03:17
cioppioh, yes, thx jdub :)03:17
jdubcioppi: but ignore the ones that say you should install speedtouch from tarballs - it's all in ubuntu packages :)03:17
pittijono: I can, but what was the patch about?03:18
jonopitti, or wherever, so long as it is online :)03:18
jonopitti, let me check03:18
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shizzleancan anyone help me enable fowarding of port22 for ssh tunneling?03:19
jonopitti, it was a patch for g-v-m to use pmount03:20
LeChuxhi! Is there any possibility to install ubuntu via another computer using the network03:20
LeChux?03:20
pittijono: hmm, Debian sid now uses the pmount approach, btw03:21
pittijono: the current Debian fix is much more complicated (because it is more generic)03:22
pittijono: it adds some configure options to specify alternate mount programs03:22
pittijono: do you want this or just the quick "replace mount by pmount" hack patch?03:22
jonopitti, you said that the patch basically replaces mount with pmount03:22
jonopitti, just the quick patch if that is fine :)03:22
pittijono: okay03:23
jonopitti, :)03:23
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jdubsorry all.03:26
Guardiannthe life of a @ :)03:26
beezlybah, it had no warez anyway :)03:26
outsider1no problem jdub, thanx for keeping the chan in good running order! :)03:26
DaNewBLeChux, maybe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-11-26.213712779103:27
pittijono: http://people.debian.org/~mpitt/gnome-volume-manager.pmount.patch03:27
LeChuxDaNewB, thx, lazy me, sry to bother03:28
DaNewBLeChux, np03:28
da_bon_bonhey, if i am compilig mplayer from the source, do i need to get the fonts and skins too ?03:28
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thepochhey folks. just wondering if anyone knows why 3d screensavers work (fast), but glxgears hangs my machine. using a thinkpad t30 here.03:36
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jonopitti, sorry, lost my connection, thanks for that :)03:37
robstahi03:37
Guardiannhello03:38
|blk|hi - i installed ubuntu last night, just wanted to say it's GREAT! debian with up-to-dateness on my laptop - bliss! :D03:38
robstai'd like to jhbuild gnome on my warty box (+xorg from hoary)03:39
robstabut i'm missing Xauth.h03:39
robstafor gnome-terminal03:39
robstais there something like the distrib/packages site for debian for ubuntu where i can search?03:39
robstamy pkg sys seems not to know about Xauth.h at all03:40
eekanif I want to set up ubuntu wiki that looks like the official one how do I do it?03:40
ograrobsta: its in xlibs-static-dev03:43
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funkyhatis it possible to install network support from the ubuntu CD after installing the os without it?03:44
eekanany idea where I can get the css and the like?03:44
robstaogra: i've got that deb, so maybe the problem is in the gnome-terminal build?03:44
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ograrobsta: no idea, why dont you just use hoary ? it has all this stuff already.....03:44
robstaogra: and "locate Xauth.h" yields nothing03:45
robstaogra: is it likely to break every now and then?03:45
ograrobsta: when did you install the package ? (locatedb is only updated once a day)03:45
robstaogra: yeah, some weeks ago03:45
ograrobsta: not more then a warty with xorg from hoary and jhbuild gnome ;)03:46
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robstaogra: with jhbuild i can always fall back to system gnome, need my machine for work03:47
eekanogra any idea if the answer is in the wiki?and if so under what?03:47
ograrobsta: what you are doing there is building a hoary with a warty base which is not worth the effort i guess....hoary is likely to stabilze since we have a Freeze now03:47
ograeekan: look in the sourcecode of the websites for css and stuff03:47
eekanogra I don't know much about css..03:48
ograeekan:so why do you want to clone the wiki ?03:48
robstaogra: ok, thanks anyways, it's just easier to do patches when build from src :-P03:48
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ograrobsta: thats why i user source.debs03:49
ogra-r03:49
eekanogra to make a wiki dedicated to hebrew in ubuntu03:49
eekanogra for various reasons it's easier to run it on my own server03:49
jaakhello... where can i get gtk+-2.0