[12:00] <wfx> subterrific: i dont use it my nvidia is to slow for it (have play the demo with gentoo)
[12:00] <Lethorion> okay, lets drop bluetooth for the moment... easier question... anyone gotten gdesklets running? :)
[12:00] <subterrific> wfx: yeah, i had all this stuff working on gentoo fine. having problems with hoary though
[12:02] <wfx> GammaRay: ok it is installed :) so i will see thx! and good night!
[12:02] <Scooter> I am trying to launch a game as sudo from icon, coule someone please help me with proper syntax.. is it $sudo command:password? or something like that? TIA :)
[12:03] <subterrific> sudo command
[12:03] <randabis> Lethorion yep, I got gdesklets going just fine
[12:04] <randabis> I fixed doom3 finally too :p
[12:04] <Lethorion> randabis; I get this strange error when trying to install sensors... alot about import etc missing
[12:04] <randabis> hmm haven't tried sensors
[12:05] <Pluk> i get attribute errors in gdeslets on most desklets
[12:05] <Pluk> some desklets work though
[12:06] <Pluk> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'cpu'
[12:06] <Lethorion> hmm
[12:07] <Lethorion> btw you know what desklets are used in this screendump? http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=32699624941d547bda3f72&m=screen
[12:07] <Scooter> sudo /usr/local/bin/etf dont work.... I think I need to add a password to it
[12:07] <Pluk> Lethorion, nice! but dont know either
[12:07] <subterrific> Scooter: no
[12:07] <subterrific> Scooter: you don't need to run etf as root
[12:07] <Lethorion> Pluk; thats kinda my goal...
[12:07] <subterrific> Scooter: what are you thinking?
[12:08] <subterrific> just run etf
[12:08] <Scooter> it wont let me write to some file
[12:08] <Scooter> crashes unless root
[12:08] <subterrific> what file?
[12:08] <Scooter> I try chmod +777 to the folder too
[12:09] <Lethorion> Pluk; know any other good page for desklets then the gnomedesktop.org one?
[12:09] <Scooter> I am not sure wich file
[12:09] <Pluk> i only know that one Lethorion
[12:10] <Lethorion> Pluk; okay, no worries mate.. I'll find them... there must be more
[12:10] <Pluk> must be!
[12:10] <subterrific> Scooter: how did you install it? cause i installed etf and i've got no problems running it
[12:10] <subterrific> as my user
[12:10] <mz2> does anybody know if beagle is available as a debian package somewhere?
[12:10] <Scooter> I had to install as root
[12:10] <Pluk> first i have to get my desklets running then ill start looking
[12:10] <mz2> or is it worth trying even just yet
[12:10] <subterrific> Scooter: yeah, me too. did you run the installer?
[12:10] <Scooter> sudo
[12:10] <Scooter> yes
[12:11] <subterrific> weird
[12:11] <subterrific> worked fine for me
[12:11] <Scooter> I am going to try to chmod the folder again perhaps I missed something
[12:11] <Lethorion> Pluk; what desklets have you gotten to work btw?
[12:11] <subterrific> Scooter: you might have messed it up...
[12:11] <Scooter> 0o
[12:11] <subterrific> Scooter: try running the installer again
[12:11] <Scooter> as user?
[12:11] <Pluk> Lethorion, clock weather and hdtemp
[12:11] <subterrific> Scooter: no, as root, you have to run it as root
[12:11] <Lethorion> Pluk; okay, then I'll start there
[12:11] <Pluk> must be many more that work
[12:11] <Scooter> et screws up too
[12:12] <Scooter> ok I try :)
[12:12] <Pluk> but all the sysinfo things refuse to work
[12:12] <subterrific> Scooter: reinstall them both then
[12:12] <senectus> I need someone to test something for me...
[12:12] <mAIJK> I installed KDE with synaptics now, why is it 3.2 and not the newsest stable 3.3 ?
[12:12] <senectus> It will only take a moment.. con someone help please?
[12:12] <subterrific> Scooter: and launch et from a console so you can figure out why it fails.
[12:13] <Pluk> brb
[12:13] <mebaran> anyone able to help with a dependency problem
[12:13] <mebaran> gnome-applets wont install because gnome-applets is uninstallable
[12:13] <Riddell> mAIJK: probably because you are using warty, 3.3.2 is in hoary
[12:13] <mAIJK> is hoary stable?
[12:13] <Riddell> mAIJK: no, but it's usually usable
[12:13] <mebaran> but gnome-applets-data wont install because gnome-applets is not installabe
[12:14] <mebaran> it appears to be a circular dependency
[12:14] <icerogue> How odo oyou create a ksymbolic link to a directory?
[12:14] <senectus> I need someone to test something for me... It will only take a moment and just involves visiting a web site..
[12:14] <mebaran> and openoffice refuses to open
[12:14] <[Phaedrus] > spit it out senectus
[12:14] <mAIJK> Riddell Why cant KDE 3.3 be installer on warty?
[12:15] <senectus> phaedrus thanks.. pm comming
[12:15] <Scooter> heh! I chmod +777 -R to the folder again and it works!!!
[12:15] <Scooter> I might have forgot to do that last time
[12:15] <Riddell> mAIJK: because warty is a stable release, it can't be changed
[12:16] <dud> you should never have the need to use 777 as an octal permission mask
[12:16] <AcidPils> gn8 all
[12:16] <icerogue> mAIJK: Just use Fluxbox, its faster anyhow
[12:16] <[Phaedrus] > aight
[12:16] <icerogue> lol
[12:16] <mAIJK> icerogue I have installed fluxbox but i dont understand it :(
[12:16] <icerogue> everything is in the right ckick menu
[12:17] <mAIJK> nothing is there :(
[12:17] <scizzo> mAIJK: what is wrong with GNOME?
[12:17] <icerogue> nothing at all?
[12:17] <heliolith> Hey all: can someone tell me what exactly the command is referenced in this Help reference on screenshots?  it says, "You can also use options on the gnome-panel-screenshot command as follows... --window Takes a screenshot of the window blah blah --delay= seconds does blah blah... i can't find the right syntax...
[12:17] <mAIJK> scizzo kde software doesn't updates in the menu and so on
[12:17] <mAIJK> icerogue no
[12:18] <scizzo> mAIJK: KDE != GNOME
[12:18] <hacim> willis_: rhythmbox seems to freeze, the gnome cd player plays but no sound happens
[12:18] <imaek> I need to burn a CD and I have never done anything with CDs on Ubuntu
[12:18] <mAIJK> xterm restart exit thats all there is icerogue
[12:18] <imaek> What program should I use?
[12:18] <hacim> hrm, sound doesn't work :(
[12:18] <Riddell> imaek: k3b
[12:18] <imaek> ok
[12:18] <imaek> I am using Gnome, btw.
[12:19] <icerogue> wow, that is weird. i am using it right now on my server i am trying to set up
[12:19] <heliolith> riddell: is k3b part of ubuntu by default?
[12:19] <mAIJK> scizzo If I install k3b cd burner software as an exampel I have to start it with the terminal, that is so enoying
[12:19] <imaek> It wasn't for me, heliolith.
[12:19] <dieman> hey
[12:19] <dieman> anyone else try the latest amd64 cd?
[12:19] <dieman> for hoary?
[12:19] <heliolith> ty imaek
[12:19] <scizzo> mAIJK: add it to the panel then
[12:20] <hacim> when ubuntu starts it doesn't run dhcp, how do I change that?
[12:20] <heliolith> so anyone familiar with the command line for screenshots?
[12:20] <mAIJK> icerogue I installed it and the menu is total emtyp. i think i have to "update-menu" or sumthing
[12:20] <scizzo> mAIJK: create a new running command and such things
[12:20] <scizzo> on the other hand there should be a menu called Ubuntu or KDE menu in the list of applications
[12:21] <mAIJK> How do I add so I can run program as root?
[12:21] <scizzo> or something like that
[12:21] <icerogue> Ok how do i create a symbolic link to a directory (cp -s dosnt work)
[12:21] <scizzo> mAIJK: just tell it to run with sudo
[12:21] <Riddell> icerogue: ln -s mytarget mylinkname
[12:21] <icerogue> mAIJK sudo su is how you get to root
[12:22] <heliolith> is there a hotkey for bringing up the app and comp menus?
[12:23] <heliolith> icerogue: another gui shortcut for creating symlinks is to click-drag with the middle mouse button!
[12:23] <mAIJK> scizzo If i start k3b with the terminal i have to have the terminal open all time, when i close it the program close too...
[12:23] <scizzo> mAIJK: k3d &
[12:23] <scizzo> or whatever the application name is
[12:24] <scizzo> k3b & even
[12:24] <icerogue> im using command line for most of it, i am only running fluxbox for a few grafical things i need to do
[12:24] <skreet> icerogue: like spellcheck?
[12:24] <icerogue> like synaptic
[12:24] <icerogue> i am talking to you all from anouther system
[12:26] <Lethorion> ls
[12:28] <hacim> when ubuntu starts networking is not up, if I run dhclient as root it comes up, and then it goes away a few minutes later, it seems I have a dual route and I have to remove the extra one
[12:29] <Lethorion> Pluk; did you install gdesklets-data ?
[12:29] <mAIJK> scizzo What did you mean? Should i typ in "k3b &" in the terminal ? :D
[12:30] <mebaran> Does anyone know how to fix some dependency issues I am having with Gnome panel and Openoffice.org-gtk
[12:30] <Pluk> yeah i did Lethorion
[12:31] <Lethorion> Pluk; okay... I just installed gdesklets and gdesklets-data after reinstalling ubuntu and now sensors work fine
[12:31] <Pluk> hmmm
[12:31] <Pluk> ill look further into it
[12:31] <Lethorion> do so
[12:31] <Pluk> strace here i come :D
[12:32] <icerogue> strace?
[12:32] <Pluk> strace - trace system calls and signals
[12:32] <hacim> is it me or does gnome suck?
[12:32] <macewan> u
[12:33] <Pluk> its prolly just u
[12:33] <hacim> so what is it about me?
[12:33] <macewan> ;)
[12:33] <Pluk> :P
[12:33] <hacim> I run the "Network Config" option and it never comes up
[12:33] <Pluk> bad karma i think
[12:33] <icerogue> hacim: it does a litte till you use flux for an extended period
[12:33] <hacim> I run openoffice and the splash screen shows up for 10 minutes and then finally opens up
[12:33] <hacim> icerogue: flux?
[12:33] <[Phaedrus] > that's openoffice for you
[12:33] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : no
[12:33] <macewan> hacim: what is your power of pc?
[12:33] <icerogue> hacim: fluxbox
[12:33] <Stew2> What does the original sources.list look like?
[12:34] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : it should run right away, it does on my other system
[12:34] <hacim> macewan: its an ibm thinkpad x40, 1.2gig cpu I think
[12:34] <macewan> ram?
[12:34] <Hwolf> Can anyone please help me. I've got no gnome panels, I can't install and I can't remove them, apperantly
[12:34] <[Phaedrus] > that's strange then...
[12:34] <chue> sladen: did you get a chance to take a look at it?  is there anything I can do to help?  about the powernowd?
[12:35] <Scooter> cannot write to hunkmegs.dat... this is the message I get if I dont run ETF as root :( the
[12:35] <CrazyNorman> hi
[12:35] <CrazyNorman> I'm running Ubuntu with fluxbox
[12:35] <Scooter> nice :)
[12:35] <CrazyNorman> and is there a way to get the automounter support (which is under gnome), under fluxbox
[12:35] <Scooter> fluxbox is very fast 8)
[12:35] <CrazyNorman> ya
[12:35] <sladen> chue: hello.  Remind me, which was your bug number?  (I'm trying to remember names not numbers, but failing!)
[12:35] <CrazyNorman> I love it for the tabbing tho
[12:35] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : it is... its a fresh install too
[12:36] <Scooter> I use XFce
[12:36] <macewan> / listening to Lawrence Lessig Free Culture audio book
[12:36] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : sound works with gnome sounds, but when the CD plays nothing happens
[12:36] <CrazyNorman> cool
[12:36] <CrazyNorman> I have a plenty fast computer (amd64), but I just prefer fluxbox
[12:36] <mAIJK> icerogue What should I type in the terminal to get an real menu? (Just now i only have Xterm,Restart, Exit) (The Readme doesn't say anything about this)
[12:36] <CrazyNorman> I run gnome-volume-manager on its own
[12:36] <icerogue> CrazyNorman: you are crazy man
[12:36] <[Phaedrus] > hacim: you sure that the cable is connected between the cd drive and the soundcard?
[12:36] <CrazyNorman> and it isn't automounting my usb key
[12:36] <CrazyNorman> lo
[12:36] <CrazyNorman> lol*
[12:37] <Scooter> anyone get the new amd-64 drivers for ATI yet? I think today they get released (acording to some forum post)
[12:37] <CrazyNorman> nice
[12:37] <Pluk> they are indeed out now
[12:37] <CrazyNorman> I just played it safe and used nvidia
[12:37] <Scooter> Sweet
[12:37] <Pluk> running the new x86 drivers and x.org now
[12:37] <icerogue> mAIJK: i dont know, all of my stuff put itself there, have you tryed restarting x?
[12:37] <Scooter> hope it works with SMP, and my dual head.
[12:38] <CrazyNorman> anyone on the auto mounting?
[12:38] <Scooter> :( oh Do I need hoary for new drivers?
[12:38] <chue> sladen: no problem... the bug number is: 5361 ... https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5361
[12:38] <CrazyNorman> Running nautilus and gnome-volume-manager still won't do it
[12:38] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : its a laptop with a USB cd drive
[12:38] <Hwolf> Can anyone help me resolve unmet dependencies with gnome-panel?
[12:38] <crimsun> Hwolf: what sort of issues?
[12:38] <mAIJK> icerogue Its an commando, generate menu or sumthing like that
[12:38] <CrazyNorman> gnome-volume manager is giving me "libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_usb_device_d7d_100_100_-1_072912110034_0"
[12:39] <CrazyNorman> whenever I plug my drive in
[12:39] <macewan> don't plug it in
[12:39] <icerogue> mAIJK: carzynorman might know
[12:39] <CrazyNorman> mAIJK: What iz the problem?
[12:39] <Hwolf> crimsun. I've got no panels now. gnome-applets-data refuses to be installed, configured or removed
[12:40] <mAIJK> I can't get an menu in fluxbox!
[12:40] <CrazyNorman> mAIJ: Are you running a gnome flux combo?
[12:40] <CrazyNorman> mAIJK: And what happens when you right click?  Just nothing?
[12:40] <Hwolf> dpkg: error processing gnome-applets-data (--configure):
[12:40] <Hwolf>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139
[12:40] <Hwolf> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:40] <Hwolf>  gnome-applets-data
[12:40] <crimsun> Hwolf: are you running Hoary?
[12:40] <Hwolf> crimsun, just upgraded
[12:40] <mAIJK> CrazyNorman I get an menu with : xterm, Restart, Exit
[12:40] <crimsun> Hwolf: did you dist-upgrade or did you upgrade?
[12:40] <[Phaedrus] > hacim: is it even possible to listen to audio cds with a usb cd drive without connecting the audio cable?
[12:41] <Hwolf> crimsun, dist-upgrade, but it crashed a few times
[12:41] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : even playing things in rhythmbox doesn't work
[12:41] <crimsun> [Phaedrus] : absolutely.
[12:41] <CrazyNorman> ok
[12:41] <crimsun> [Phaedrus] : that is precisely how I listen to audio cds.
[12:41] <CrazyNorman> mAIJK: Run xterm, then "fluxconf"
[12:41] <mAIJK> ok
[12:41] <hacim> it seems like gnome gets "stuck" -- I launch the network config and nothing happens.... then like 5 minutes later it pops up
[12:41] <[Phaedrus] > that's quite interesting...
[12:41] <mchasard> hi
[12:41] <[Phaedrus] > crimsun: maybe you can help hacim then
[12:41] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : its annoying
[12:41] <crimsun> Hwolf: `sudo aptitude dist-upgrade' chokes?
[12:42] <CrazyNorman> mAIJK: what does it say for "menu file"
[12:42] <mchasard> should i choose gnoppix warty or ubuntu warty ?
[12:42] <esher> does gnome have an simple editor like kwrite ?
[12:42] <mchasard> is it the same  ?
[12:42] <CrazyNorman> gedit
[12:42] <esher> tnx
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> esher: gnome has one editor
[12:42] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : and the load on the machine is not a problem, its obviously something goofed with gnome
[12:42] <mAIJK> CrazyNorman: /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu
[12:42] <CrazyNorman> its not quite as good as kate for programming imo
[12:42] <CrazyNorman> mAIJK: hmm, same here
[12:43] <ollie> anyone know what ubuntu's schedule is for pulling stuff from debian?  I'm wondering if the recently released alsa-1.0.8 has a chance of making it into hoary.
[12:43] <CrazyNorman> mAIJK: In xterm, "nano /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu"
[12:43] <crimsun> hacim: what are your issues with audio cds and usb sound card?
[12:43] <[Phaedrus] > i dont have the slightest clue hacim. I'd check if the audio drivers are installed properly and perhaps reboot
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> ollie: hoary is version frozen
[12:43] <fealuin> When I tried the live-cd, works in minimun video resolution, but now I install ubuntu 4.10 don't start X. Motherboard is pc-chips and video chip is intel845 VGA. What should I do???
[12:43] <CrazyNorman> mAIJK: If its an empty menu file, I can send you mine
[12:43] <hacim> crimsun: its a laptop, no usb sound card, just a cdrom plugged in
[12:43] <mchasard> please is there a difference betwenn gnoppix and ubuntu live cd ?
[12:43] <crimsun> ollie: it will sync when the devs have time.
[12:43] <Hwolf> crimsun i'm running that now
[12:43] <crimsun> ollie: because it's a ubuntu merge, it requires manual adjustment.
[12:43] <hacim> crimsun: any sound outside of the gnome sounds, do not work
[12:43] <ollie> HrdwrBoB, bummer. oh, well. thanks
[12:43] <mchasard> what is preferable to download ?
[12:43] <[Phaedrus] > fealuin: what does it say?
[12:43] <mebaran> how do I resolve a circular dependencies
[12:43] <mebaran> concerning the gnome panel
[12:44] <CrazyNorman> mAIJK: wait, I think I know what it is
[12:44] <[Phaedrus] > mchasard: yeah, knoppix is knoppix and ubuntu live cd is ubuntu
[12:44] <mebaran> and how do I get the templates for the create new file in Gnome to owrk
[12:44] <hacim> [Phaedrus] : for example, the networking just finally came up
[12:44] <ollie> supposedly, alsa 1.0.8 will provide support for my sound card
[12:44] <crimsun> ollie: which chipset?
[12:44] <mchasard> no knoppix ...i'm talking about gnoppix
[12:44] <crimsun> hacim: are these sounds from non-gnome applications set to use some output other than esd?
[12:45] <fealuin> [Phaedrus] 	fealuin: what does it say? <--- says in spanish something like "don't can start X"
[12:45] <mchasard> warty 4.1 dated from when ?
[12:45] <ollie> crimsun, it's a Sound Blaster Audigy -- I don't know the chipset (not much of a hardware guy -- just want to listen to tunes ;-))
[12:45] <mindphasr> what is command to enable root acount again?
[12:45] <hacim> crimsun: I have no idea... I just run rhythmbox and try and play a radio station and it freezes... if I put in an audio CD it automatically plays but no audio happens
[12:45] <Hwolf> ollie, you're looking for emu10k1
[12:45] <Agrajag> Why do you want to enable it?
[12:45] <crimsun> ollie: that was actually supported way back in 1.0.4
[12:46] <ollie> Hwolf, I believe the Audigy isn't supported by emu10k1 -- or if it is, that it's as of 1.0.8
[12:46] <crimsun> mindphasr: check out the sudo faq on the wiki, or: sudo -s, and then type `passwd'
[12:46] <crimsun> ollie: it is supported.
[12:46] <Hwolf> ollie, I've been running an audigy with emu10k1 for years
[12:46] <mchasard> so gnoppix is like ubuntu if i believe the gnoppix page
[12:46] <ollie> crimsun, really?  what do I have to do -- my system doesn't detect the card.
[12:47] <hacim> something is royally messed up with gnome
[12:47] <hacim> it fails to launch things without pausing for a few minutes
[12:47] <crimsun> hacim: I haven't run the rhythmbox in Warty in some time; I presume you can get streaming music to play with, say, mpg123?
[12:47] <ollie> crimsun, could it be the Audigy LS is different from some other Audigy?
[12:47] <crimsun> ollie: extremely different.
[12:47] <ollie> I guess that's my problem -- sorry, wasn't specific enough
[12:48] <crimsun> ollie: it's crippled hardware, per creative's usual marketing tactics.
[12:48] <Hwolf> crimsun: `dist-upgrade gives me: Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:48] <Hwolf>  gnome-applets-data
[12:48] <macewan> hacim: what stations?
[12:48] <ollie> crippled or not, it's certainly not doing me much good at present
[12:49] <crimsun> Hwolf: what version is it trying to install? 2.9.4.1-0ubuntu3?
[12:49] <hacim> crimsun: mpg123 seems to work
[12:49] <Hwolf> crimsun: rrors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-panel-data_2.9.4-0ubuntu3_all.deb
[12:49] <mchasard> the stable version of ubuntu is the warty 4.1 ?
[12:50] <crimsun> ollie: you need 1.0.6 or newer with the ca0106 driver.
[12:51] <crimsun> ollie: but for stable functionality, you need 1.0.7 or newer.
[12:51] <tato_> gcc does not come in the default ubuntu installation right ? or Its my installation screwed ?
[12:51] <crimsun> hacim: I know there are problems with streaming in Warty's rhythmbox; have you tried the 0.8.8 backport from http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ ?
[12:52] <crimsun> tato_: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[12:52] <ollie> crimsun, perhaps a silly question, but is there any way to get ubuntu to auto detect it?
[12:52] <crimsun> mchasard: 4.10, yes. "Warty".
[12:52] <ollie> I'm running hoary
[12:53] <crimsun> ollie: no, because it's not currently enabled for Hoary.
[12:53] <ollie> crimsun, ok
[12:53] <mchasard> the iso is named warty released -live i3686 ?
[12:53] <crimsun> mchasard: that's the live cd, which differs from the install cd.
[12:53] <mchasard> hoary is not booting for me with xorg trouble
[12:53] <Hwolf> crimsun, do you have any idea how I can break my deadlock?
[12:54] <crimsun> Hwolf: sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-panel-data_2.9.4-0ubuntu3_all.deb
[12:54] <mchasard> yes i would like the live cd ...
[12:54] <crimsun> Hwolf: what error does it give? (paste in #flood if it's more than 3 lines)
[12:55] <Hwolf> crimsun, #flood
[12:55] <crimsun> Hwolf: you don't seem to have that file...
[12:55] <mchasard> the live cd has the feature to save configuration on a usb key ?
[12:56] <hacim> crimsun: yeah, I just tried it... same thing :P
[12:56] <Hwolf> crimsun, so how do I get it?
[12:56] <hacim> crimsun: more importantly there is something screwed with gnome
[12:57] <ollie> crimsun, any tips on how to go about getting it working?  will I need to compile a new kernel, etc...?
[12:57] <CrazyNorman> Has anyone gotten usb automounting with anything other than gnome?
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> no
[12:57] <crimsun> ollie: no, you need to compile a alsa-modules deb
[12:58] <crimsun> ollie: sudo aptitude install alsa-source build-essential kernel-package linux-headers-$(uname -r); more /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian
[12:58] <jdub> CrazyNorman: the thing you need to run is gnome-volume-manager
[12:58] <jdub> CrazyNorman: it does the user space policy work
[12:58] <ollie> crimsun, thanks a bunch
[12:59] <CrazyNorman> jdub: When I plug in my usb key after running gnome-volume-manager, it says "libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_d7d_100_100_-1_072912110034
[12:59] <CrazyNorman> "
[12:59] <crimsun> hacim: I doubt it's related to the kernel at all. Rhythmbox seems to be the culprit. Have you tried with a newer version of the gnome cd player (e.g., the 'gnome-media' from Hoary)?
[12:59] <crimsun> hacim: or have you tried another player, such as totem-xine or beep-media-player?
[12:59] <Hwolf> crimsun I can't install nor remove that file...
[01:00] <CrazyNorman> jdub: "Could it be that i'm running xorg?"
[01:00] <RoadGriffin> Help Anybody
[01:00] <dieman> Memory: 32852732k/33554432k available (1826k kernel code, 0k reserved, 1005k data, 184k init)
[01:00] <hacim> crimsun: I am going to try and upgrade to hoary to see if the problems go away
[01:00] <dieman> mmmmmmmmmm
[01:00] <crimsun> Hwolf: does the file even exist in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?
[01:00] <dieman> Total of 8 processors activated (31875.07 BogoMIPS).
[01:00] <dieman> AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 846 stepping 0a
[01:00] <dieman> mmmm
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> ooo nice
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> verynice
[01:01] <Hwolf> crimsun, yes it does
[01:01] <RoadGriffin> Help Anybody!!!
[01:01] <JConnell> dieman, surely you can spare 4 of those for your friend JConnell
[01:01] <JConnell> ;)
[01:01] <mebaran> anybody having problems with a gnome-applet dependency?
[01:01] <Hwolf> mebaran, here!
[01:02] <crimsun> Hwolf: and you can't install it using sudo dpkg -i ? That doesn't seem possible. It should at least throw an error other than not being able to find it.
[01:02] <mebaran> yeah
[01:02] <mebaran> is it circular?
[01:02] <mebaran> gnome panel depends on gnome-panel-data
[01:02] <mebaran> sorry
[01:02] <mebaran> I mean
[01:02] <mebaran> gnome-applet depends on gnome-applet data
[01:02] <Hwolf> crimsun: #flood
[01:03] <mebaran> and gnome-applet-data depends on gnome-applet
[01:03] <mebaran> and neither will resolve
[01:03] <Hwolf> mebaran, same problem here
[01:04] <nitin> are the dev team changing the panels again in hoary?
[01:04] <nitin> cause the panels right now are messed up
[01:04] <nitin> menus*
[01:04] <crimsun> nitin: they seem to work fine for me.
[01:04] <mindphasr> Can someone familiar with apache2 tell me how to open up for outside connections?
[01:04] <nitin> crimsun, do u have a other menu under applications?
[01:04] <nitin> that contains the same things as whats under Desktop
[01:05] <nitin> and Places
[01:05] <crimsun> nitin: Places & Desktop, yes.
[01:05] <nitin> yea..weird
[01:05] <ironwolf> any openoffice wizards about?
[01:05] <crimsun> nitin: may be annoying, but it's not fatal.
[01:06] <regeya> heh...I was bout to ask that sort of question, ironwolf, but I'd suggest asking your question rather than asking if they're about
[01:06] <mindphasr> nm my isp blocks port 80
[01:07] <ironwolf> regeya: I've asked a few times today.  I'm wondering the talent pool online currently.
[01:08] <Riddell> ironwolf: haggai is here, ask and you may get an answer
[01:08] <ironwolf> So, in the spirit of asking the question.  In openoffice, I'd like to create a 10-up Business card for suitable for sending to kinkos to print and cut.
[01:08] <regeya> well, what's the question, and perhaps now there'll be someone here who knows.  *shrug*
[01:08] <regeya> okay...
[01:08] <ogra> Riddell: i think he's gone to bed
[01:08] <ironwolf> I currently created 1 of them in Drawing, and exported it to a PDF, and it's pretty.  How do I make that an appropriate 10up
[01:09] <ironwolf> riddell: Haggai went to bed.
[01:09] <ironwolf> ug, yeah, what ogra said.
[01:10] <mebaran> my applets, and my openoffice-gtk-toolbar
[01:10] <mebaran> is messed up
[01:10] <ironwolf> what scribus? another app? *I'm not glued to openoffice*
[01:10] <regeya> it's a DP tool
[01:10] <mebaran> openoffice under gtk looked much nicer
[01:10] <regeya> frames-based DP tool
[01:10] <ironwolf> regeya: DP?
[01:11] <regeya> desktop publishing ... DTP I guess
[01:11] <regeya> whoops
[01:12] <regeya> you should be able to draw frames in, say, Writer, and insert your picture objects into those
[01:13] <regeya> though I wouldn't know where to begin...at this point it may be more trouble to switch to scribus (though that should involve nothing more than importing the card you have)
[01:13] <benkong2> hey all where is the documentroot located in ubuntu the docs say place test.php in /var/www but it is not working for me.
[01:14] <ironwolf> regeya: the goal is a tool I can create 10-up master for fedex/kinkos in a PDF format.  Beyond that I'm tool impartial
[01:14] <mebaran> I have never experienced as much dependency hell as I have in Ubuntu
[01:14] <mebaran> such a nice distro
[01:14] <mebaran> but sometimes bleeding edge has its problems
[01:14] <Agrajag> then don't use hoary
[01:14] <benkong2> hey all where is the documentroot for apache2  located in ubuntu the docs say place test.php in /var/www but it is not working for me.
[01:14] <mebaran> nah
[01:14] <mindphasr> mebaran: What problems you having?
[01:14] <regeya> haha
[01:14] <epsas> is the wmaker with ubuntu compiled with xinerama?
[01:14] <mebaran> I like bleeding edge
[01:14] <mebaran> oh
[01:14] <mebaran> always with gnome
[01:15] <foursti> when are the fglrx drivers going to be put into the reposotory?
[01:15] <mebaran> Gnome-applets wont install because it depends on gnome-applets-data
[01:15] <regeya> ironwolf: I'd compare Scribus to soemthing like Quark, or (I've never used this, mind) InDesign
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> they are.
[01:15] <benkong2> they are search synaptic
[01:15] <mebaran> but gnome-applets-data depends on gnome-applets
[01:15] <regeya> it's in Universe, IIRC
[01:15] <mebaran> so it is circular
[01:15] <mindphasr> I have gnome-applets installed fine...
[01:15] <mebaran> and dpkg wont install any of it
[01:15] <mebaran> yeah
[01:15] <mindphasr> in hoary
[01:15] <mebaran> this was after today I did a smart upgrade in Synaptic
[01:15] <icerogue> Ok why isnt my hostname (Ubuntu Warty)  coming up in my dhcp table(on router)
[01:16] <regeya> the newest version *may* be in Ubuntu Backports, though you shouldn't need those features if you're just importing a PDF...hang on...
[01:16] <regeya> I find that trying to do DTP with a word processor is like trying to repair a car with a spoon, but that's my personal feelings on the matter. :-)  Okay, have a new document now...
[01:17] <icerogue> who is that too iron wolf
[01:17] <benkong2> could someone tell me where you set the documentroot directive for an apache server in ubuntu
[01:17] <[euphori] > can hel me please when im try to connect whitch gnmome-ppp error ppp not enable and im can?t connect. im put im username in dip group???
[01:18] <regeya> w00t
[01:18] <regeya> it works
[01:18] <maijk> icerogue, How should I do to log in  synaptics when I use fluxbox?
[01:19] <maijk> It want my root pw and i dont have a root pw
[01:19] <ironwolf> sorry, to regeya
[01:19] <thenuke> maijk: you dont need to have root pw
[01:19] <regeya> ironwolf: if you're getting frustrated with trying to do it in OOo, you could use Scribus to import your single card.  Other than that I'd suggest sticking with Draw, set up a page-sized template, and duplicate your original page.  As far as setting up the proper template, I don't know.
[01:19] <thenuke> maijk: use sudo :)
[01:19] <icerogue> maijk:if you started with flux you will need to insall it
[01:19] <thenuke> maijk: sudo <command> .. or if you need root shell, sudo -H -s
[01:19] <mebaran> evolution also if flailing
[01:19] <icerogue> maijk: apt-get install synoptics
[01:19] <mebaran> the contacts part is completely borked
[01:20] <regeya> erm duplicate your original card...dangit
[01:20] <mebaran> wont let me add or delete or import contacts
[01:20] <maijk> I have Synaptics installed, use fluxbox. When I click om Synaptics on my fluxbox menu the program says that I should type in my root pw. I dont want to start from xterm!
[01:20] <drspin> hey all
[01:20] <mikep> Hi
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> mikep: are you sure
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> maijk: are you sure
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> it should ask you for YOUR password
[01:21] <maijk> Please enter your password it says
[01:22] <regeya> ironwolf, you know, you could also export your single Drawing object as an EPS and import them as graphics.  Or you could simply copy-and-paste the thing onto a page. :-)
[01:22] <Agrajag> maijk: so, enter your password
[01:22] <Agrajag> it doesn't say root
[01:22] <maijk> root password
[01:22] <maijk> It says
[01:22] <Agrajag> it doesn't say that.
[01:22] <maijk> I wrote wrong
[01:22] <regeya> OpenOffice does "OLE" you know.
[01:22] <Agrajag> It shouldn't say root. What does entering your own password do?
[01:22] <[euphori] > see you all :)
[01:22] <ironwolf> regeya: too many options
[01:22] <ironwolf> :)
[01:23] <mchasard> wich livecd do you use  ?
[01:23] <regeya> sucks having options ;-)
[01:23] <mebaran> Why is evolution borked?
[01:23] <mebaran> does it rely on gnome-applets
[01:23] <mebaran> it wont let me delete a bad address book without crashing
[01:23] <Agrajag> maijk: maybe you need to change that menu entry to run "gksudo synaptic" instead of just "synaptic"
[01:24] <mebaran> or add a new contact
[01:24] <mebaran> it says it did but it didint
[01:24] <regeya> seriously, select everything on your draw document, do modify->group then copy, and paste onto a wordprocessor page, then repeat 9x.
[01:24] <mebaran> I am in XFCE should that effect it?
[01:24] <regeya> simple as pie.
[01:24] <regeya> mmmm....pie...
[01:24] <mebaran> pi
[01:24] <ironwolf> regeya: scribus = pulling teeth
[01:24] <Agrajag> mmm 3.141592654532
[01:24] <regeya> okay, so I'm confused...weren't totem and sound-juicer gnome apps already?
[01:25] <mebaran> haha Agrajag
[01:25] <regeya> ironwolf: not that bad once you get used to it, but everyone's entitled to their opinions :-D
[01:25] <icerogue> if i set up my server with a static ip would that conflict at all on a dhcp network (if i dont set its ip to something that could get assigned)?
[01:25] <regeya> once you do that, you should be able to position the things as you wish.
[01:25] <ironwolf> regeya: find "import PDF".... I failed... So I'm thinking Drawing with the PDFx10
[01:26] <thenuke> icerogue: i bet it would not cause any problems
[01:26] <regeya> are you talking scribus now, ironwolf?
[01:27] <ironwolf> nah, gave up on scribus for now.  I'm going to try in Drawing OOo
[01:27] <regeya> okay...seriously, if you do something like, say, set up your 10up page in writer, you can simple copy-and-paste.
[01:27] <randabis> i found some schweet icons for firefox and thunderbird!
[01:27] <randabis> http://img11.exs.cx/img11/9598/newicons2jm.jpg
[01:27] <regeya> holy moly, I just caught myself typing backwards.  when I go dyslexic it's only when I'm at the point of exhaustion.
[01:27] <tato_> after I compile and install a engine, what do I need to do to use it ?
[01:28] <regeya> so if anything I say here doesn't make sense, my apologies.
[01:28] <fealuin> When I tried the live-cd, works in minimun video resolution, but now I install ubuntu 4.10 don't start X. Says "Cant start X server (your graphic interface). Probably is not properly setting up. Do you want to see X server output to diagnose...[truncate] ". Motherboard is pc-chips and video chip is intel845 VGA. What should I do???
[01:29] <icerogue> ok i feel noobish asking but i forgot what is the command to set up your networking
[01:29] <thenuke> icerogue: ifconfig?
[01:29] <mindphasr> fealuin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 depending on which X server you have installed
[01:30] <thenuke> icerogue: dont be afraid of asking more ;)
[01:30] <Hwolf> crimsun, thanks
[01:30] <icerogue> i thought that there was something else, more of a wizard type thing
[01:30] <fealuin> thanks mindphasr... is xfree86 (default instalation)
[01:34] <ironwolf> regeya: thanks for your insight
[01:35] <CrazyNorman> I'm running ubuntu AMD64, and every here and there, there is a program without a 64-bit version (usually not open source).  Is there a way to use apt to mix ubuntu 64 and 32, so I can easily install 32 bit versions of libraries I use to lib32?
[01:36] <randabis> does anyone know how to change the icons displayed in the window list? Like the one for firefox, I want to change the globe to something else
[01:37] <Agony> hello everybody
[01:37] <fealuin> how do i quit saving of vi???
[01:38] <Agony> I would like to connect to my ubuntu pc via network (using win2000)
[01:38] <mebaran> how do you setup up gnome
[01:38] <mebaran> to be able to do the create document menu
[01:39] <mebaran> it says it does not have any entry
[01:39] <mebaran> or template
[01:39] <Agony> the ubuntu-pc is in my networ environment but when i want to access it, it askes to enter username and password but neitehr root nor my username (anaxagoras) funktions
[01:39] <mebaran> to do it
[01:39] <Agony> how can i access the pc ?
[01:40] <crimsun> Agony: check out the wiki, particularly the pages on sharing with win2k
[01:41] <Agony> crimsun, the connection itselves is no problem, but unfortunately my user data soes not match
[01:41] <icerogue> how do i add a user to a group, like the acct webmaster to what ever group apache is a part of
[01:41] <Agony> i only use one password but it does not work
[01:41] <neighborlee> does livecd by chance have resuce functionality (or if not is it planned?)
[01:42] <dud> icerogue, edit /etc/group
[01:46] <icerogue> dud: so do i add webmaster behind www-date or the other way around
[01:47] <^majik> hi.  I'd removed my /etc/init.d/apache script earlier, and I can't seem to get it back no matter how many times or ways I reinstall apache (1.3.x).  any ideas?  :o
[01:48] <icerogue> ^majik:why dont you use apache2?
[01:49] <^majik> icerogue: I was using it before attempting to try out the server-side scripting language called BOA.  it seems the old BOA stuff relies on the old 1.3.x branch
[01:49] <icerogue> just wondering
[01:51] <^majik> yea.  that's why I'd removed the apache script..  I'd installed 'eskuel' (similar to phpMyAdmin.  wanted to try it out) and it relies on 'apache'.. and I even forced an uninstall of apache once eskuel was installed, but didn't want the init script sitting around waiting to be executed..
[01:51] <^majik> and then apt-get / dpkg was complaining at me, saying that eskuel more or less required apache  ;/
[01:51] <icerogue> thats owhy you rename stuff instead
[01:52] <mebaran> My Evolution is broken
[01:52] <^majik> well, I didn't think I'd ever be using the apache package -- only version 2.x
[01:52] <mebaran> it wont let me delete or add contacts
[01:52] <^majik> otherwise I would have  :o
[01:52] <^majik> or something
[01:52] <mebaran> or delete address books
[01:52] <mebaran> I find it rather odd that this happened as soon as gnome-applets broke
[01:53] <icerogue> do you think there would be any problems if i chownded my www folder to my webmaster acct?
[01:53] <mebaran> but I cant find a link
[01:54] <^majik> icerogue: shouldn't be.  just make sure your webmaster account doesn't have super-user privs.
[01:54] <GammaRay> how would I extract a deb in a similar fasion to rpm2cpio?
[01:54] <icerogue> nope
[01:54] <knghtbrd> There's a name I haven't seen in forever.
[01:54] <knghtbrd> hey bdale
[01:54] <arc_> mmm, now I know why iBooks are unable to suspend using pmud....
[01:54] <GammaRay> s/fasion/fashion/
[01:54] <^majik> icerogue: that's ideally why apache (or any daemon really) doesn't run as root, as it's a security hazard or what have you
[01:55] <^majik> icerogue: but yeah, should be okay
[01:55] <cdn_beaver> cool
[01:55] <cdn_beaver> can someone help with a problem?
[01:55] <icerogue> shoot
[01:56] <^majik> "don't ask to ask, just ask"  :-)  hehe
[01:56] <icerogue> yeah
[01:56] <cdn_beaver> i had WinXp Pro installed, and then installed Ubuntu... so how do i get from Ubuntu to WinXP, cause i can't seem to get that choice when booting up
[01:57] <GammaRay> cdn_beaver: before bootup press escape to see the menu
[01:57] <GammaRay> I don't know if windows is added for you or not
[01:57] <cdn_beaver> and it brings me to a choice of Ubuntu bootings
[01:58] <cdn_beaver> it gives me 3 seconds to press Escape, i do, and it brings a menu of Ubuntu boots
[01:58] <GammaRay> well then you will have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to add it
[01:58] <icerogue> at the bottom it doesnt say windows?
[01:58] <cdn_beaver> ok
[01:58] <cdn_beaver> no, i dont think so
[01:58] <cdn_beaver> i'll take a look at the menu.lst
[01:59] <icerogue> yay i got my courier webadmin working
[01:59] <robertj> cdn: it might just be real quick
[02:00] <cdn_beaver> well, the boot/grub/menu.lst has no Windows listed
[02:01] <mchasard> please where is the tool to save configuration on a usb key for a live cd use ?
[02:01] <GammaRay> cdn_beaver: you will have to add it..
[02:01] <cdn_beaver> do you know where i can read on how to do this? or do you know?
[02:01] <GammaRay> I'm not very good w/ grub yet
[02:01] <mchasard> im' under gnoppix warty ...but i don't see any tools for that  ?
[02:02] <GammaRay> cdn_beaver: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-30442.html
[02:02] <cdn_beaver> thanks
[02:02] <mchasard> so for the configuration save for a live cd use ?
[02:02] <randabis> does anyone know how to change the icons displayed in the window list? Like the one for firefox, I want to change the globe to something else
[02:03] <mchasard> where can i find this tool ?
[02:03] <robertj> is there an gnome blog agregator thats better than sage?
[02:04] <Ex-Cyber> I came up with a couple wild theories, but they appear to be dead wrong, so I'm back to square one
[02:04] <daniels> Ex-Cyber: what sort of card are you using?
[02:04] <Ex-Cyber> daniels: Radeon 8500
[02:05] <daniels> Ex-Cyber: define 'slow'
[02:05] <cdn_beaver> hmmm
[02:06] <GammaRay> I must say I really like how dpkg allows you to replace packages w/ the same package instead of just complaining
[02:06] <Ex-Cyber> daniels: redraws are sluggish, dragging an xterm around spikes X's CPU usage to 50-75%
[02:06] <daniels> sounds like acceleration isn't disabled
[02:06] <Ex-Cyber> i.e. if I didn't know any better I'd say someone secretly switched vesa for my Folger's crystals
[02:06] <daniels> Option "ShadowFB" in the device section might help a bit
[02:06] <daniels> ... you aren't using vesa, are you?
[02:06] <Ex-Cyber> no
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> hey guys i need /lib/modules/2.6.10-2-k7/build dir ....i have install the ubuntu precompiled kernel bu i need the build dir to install the new ati drivers
[02:07] <Ex-Cyber> it's like this with both ati and fglrx drivers
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> does anyone knows how i can have the build dir?
[02:07] <daniels> ZzeCoOl: if you wait a couple of hours, you can have the drivers packaged
[02:07] <Ex-Cyber> blah, be back in a bit
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> daniels  i cant
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> sry
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> hours....ixxx
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> does anyone know about my problem plz?
[02:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> where can i get vorbis decoder codecs for linux?
[02:09] <GammaRay> a nautilus idea: since it already selects files when you type the first part of their name, why not show hidden files when you type a dot as the first char?
[02:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> er..mp3
[02:09] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: its more clever to wait for the packages from daniels some hours then spend this hours with fighting with the prob ;)
[02:11] <Ex-Cyber> daniels: according to the log acceleration is enabled
[02:11] <tato_> could someone help get clearlooks gtk2 theme working please ?, I have a fresh ubuntu installation, downloaded the Clearlooks engine and installed it, but I cant see the themes on the Themes Windows, any idea why ?
[02:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need to install mp3 codecs for linux.  where can i get them?
[02:11] <GammaRay> BROKEN_LADDER: try xmms-mad
[02:11] <Hwolf> Daniels, if I enable ati drivers now, and plug in an nvidia card later, would that cause me a lot of trouble?
[02:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> GammaRay: i already have xmms.  it seems to have its own codecs.  but other apps don't play mp3, so i want to install linux codecs.
[02:12] <Hwolf> broken_ladder or gstreamer_mad if you want to use rhytmbox
[02:12] <daniels> Hwolf: you'll need to remove xorg-driver-fglrx
[02:12] <sri|work> okay, does anybody have this problem with gnome, not showing usb disk icon after you unmount it for the first time?
[02:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> why do you guys keep mentioning specific apps?
[02:12] <sri|work> hi daniels :)
[02:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just want generic linux codecs.
[02:12] <sri|work> linux has codecs?
[02:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can it not?
[02:12] <daniels> sri|work: yo
[02:12] <sri|work> goddam, there's more bloat in that kernel than I thought!
[02:12] <Hwolf> broken_ladder, there are no generic codecs. Some apps use this, some that.
[02:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> if the os doesn't have codecs, then every app would have to have its own. that would be ridiculous.
[02:13] <GammaRay> codec just stands for encoder/decoder
[02:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> exactly
[02:13] <Hwolf> Broken_ladder, that's exactly how it is, even under windows.
[02:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> but if an app tries to play some sound and the linux api doesn't have codecs, it can't play that file.
[02:13] <sri|work> anyways, nobody seeing this in hoary?
[02:13] <GammaRay> BROKEN_LADDER: most apps use plugins as interfaces to libs like libmad
[02:13] <sri|work> I think cvs gnome has this problem as well.
[02:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> not in beos.
[02:14] <daniels> linux-restricted-modules 2.6.10.2-1 (yes, with new fglrx) uploaded
[02:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> i didn't know linux was that far behind.
[02:14] <hacim> so I upgraded to hoary, and now X doesn't start
[02:14] <Hwolf> I upgraded to hoary, and now the tabs in my panel are tiny, how do I fix that?
[02:14] <GammaRay> BROKEN_LADDER: for totem you have to install the mad gstreamer plugin
[02:15] <GammaRay> far behind? or diverse?
[02:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> far behind.
[02:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> apps shouldn't need to know about the media they decode.
[02:15] <Hwolf> broken_ladder, it's not. windows media player uses a library of wma codecs, even for generic mp3. Realplayer uses it's own library of real codecs
[02:15] <Ex-Cyber> BROKEN_LADDER: how it works is that the codec is a shared library (.so in Linux, .dll in Windows) ... it is not a component of "Linux" or "Windows", it is its own piece of software that player apps link into
[02:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> windows?!
[02:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[02:16] <cdn_beaver> how do you change the grub to allow Windows boot?
[02:16] <icerogue> are any of you familiar with courier?
[02:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> Ex-Cyber:  that's terribly poor design.
[02:16] <hacim> so I upgraded to hoary, and now X doesn't start... any pointers?
[02:16] <Hwolf> broken_ladder: the beauty of open source. You can fix it. :-)
[02:16] <Ex-Cyber> BROKEN_LADDER: what do you suggest as the alternative?
[02:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> beos
[02:16] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: ah, dude, it works the same way.
[02:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> in beos you just installed system codecs so any app could be agnostic to what it was opening.
[02:17] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: it is
[02:17] <HrdwrBoB> see gstreamer
[02:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> what i'm hearing here is that different apps in linux need their own codecs.
[02:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> gstreamer isn't part of the linux kernel.
[02:17] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: 'system codecs' in beos are the same thing as 'gstreamer plugins', but be could very strongly define their media and plugin APIs
[02:17] <jdub> nor should it be
[02:17] <jdub> but in ubuntu, we do consider it to be the system api for media
[02:17] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: you want the linux kernel to have video codecs?
[02:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> then that's a poor analogy to make.
[02:17] <knghtbrd> aww, too bad the pictures didn't come out well--that was horrifying.  We were looking for dinner last night and stumbled across a STRETCH HUMMER.  40' long.  Idling, of course.
[02:18] <Ex-Cyber> BROKEN_LADDER: no, different apps can use the same codecs (hence "shared library")
[02:18] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: i'm not making an analogy
[02:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> at least X should.
[02:18] <jdub> no it shouldn't
[02:18] <jdub> there should be a defined media api
[02:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> you said they are the same as gstreamer plugins.
[02:18] <daniels> x is not a media api
[02:18] <jdub> in ubuntu, the media api is gstreamer
[02:18] <jdub> thus, it is the equivalent of be's defined media api
[02:19] <jdub> the fact that other media apis exist in FOSS land is merelya a bonus
[02:19] <thenew> help
[02:19] <GammaRay> would someone give cdn_beaver and example of a basic windows entry in grub?
[02:19] <thenew> jejeje
[02:19] <GammaRay> I'm very new to grub
[02:19] <knghtbrd> I can do that
[02:19] <robertj> Gstreamer needs a "You do not have the required codec to view this file. Click here to purchase it from codecsalacart.com."
[02:20] <jdub> GammaRay: didn't ubuntu configure one for you on install?
[02:20] <randabis> *sigh* not even anyone in #gnome knows how to change it lol
[02:20] <knghtbrd> title Windows (gag)
[02:20] <jdub> randabis: what's the problem?
[02:20] <Hwolf> daniels, how do I tell xorg to use the ati driver? The old wiki page doesn't seem to apply
[02:20] <knghtbrd> root (hd0,0)
[02:20] <GammaRay> jdub: gonna have to ask cdn_beaver, don't even have windows here.
[02:20] <knghtbrd> chainloader +1
[02:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> so getting rhythmbox to open mp3s requires which plugin?
[02:20] <randabis> I want to change the icons listed in the ALT+TAB menu/window list
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: gstreamer-mad
[02:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> no such package..
[02:21] <knghtbrd> note, whether or not you want makeactive depends on how you installed grub
[02:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> ahh..this time you spelled it with a - not a _
[02:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> trying that
[02:21] <jdub> gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:21] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: er, no package in debian has ever had a _ in it's name
[02:22] <randabis> see? know one knows how to do it :p
[02:22] <knghtbrd> I put grub on a primary partition and use the standard MBR
[02:22] <daniels> Hwolf: in a couple of hours, sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx (along with an apt-get upgrade), and change Driver "ati" to Driver "fglrx" in xorg.conf
[02:22] <knghtbrd> in that case, you never want makeactive
[02:22] <Hwolf> daniels, it isn't up yet?
[02:22] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: i think your experience on this channel would be improved if you asked questions and understood things before making pronouncements.
[02:22] <jdub> randabis: you can't.
[02:22] <crimsun> Hwolf: he said a couple hours. :)
[02:22] <randabis> grr
[02:22] <knghtbrd> cdn_beaver, GammaRay that help?
[02:23] <daniels> Hwolf: i uploaded it, but it will be a while before it gets noticed, built, the build gets noticed, uploaded, and then mirrored
[02:23] <randabis> I don't want that dopey looking globe for firefox :(
[02:23] <Hwolf> crimsun, he gave me the impression it was up, sorry
[02:23] <randabis> I want THESE :p
[02:23] <randabis> http://img11.exs.cx/img11/9598/newicons2jm.jpg
[02:23] <jdub> randabis: we're working with mozilla to sort it out.
[02:23] <daniels> well, it's out of my hands and into the automatic infrastructure
[02:23] <GammaRay> nice background
[02:24] <randabis> but even then, I want a custom icon, not the firefox default eithe
[02:24] <randabis> r
[02:24] <Hwolf> Do any of you know how to get the program tabs in the menu bigger? I can only see one letter of each tab right now. :-S
[02:24] <Hwolf> daniels, are the drivers significantly better?
[02:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> jdub: the pronouncements i've made were warrented.
[02:24] <daniels> Hwolf: i don't know, i don't use them.  but they support xorg, which is a big win, and they're apparently more stable.
[02:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> gstreamer is not part a fundamental part of linux.
[02:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> thus not all linux programs use it.
[02:25] <Hwolf> daniels, ok, sorry
[02:25] <GammaRay> not a whole lot is (-;
[02:25] <knghtbrd> someone SO has Mac envy  ;)
[02:25] <GammaRay> there's the kernel.. and umm maybe the GNU stuff (if you want to count that.. hense GNU/linux)
[02:26] <knghtbrd> but it is a nice background
[02:26] <robertj> hehe, I have finder envy ;)
[02:26] <robertj> I'd pay $30 for a finder licence
[02:26] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: x is not a fundamental part of linux either
[02:26] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: you're misusing the term "linux".
[02:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> no i'm not.
[02:26] <robertj> X is a fundamental part of FreeDesktop
[02:26] <daniels> robertj: no it is not
[02:26] <robertj> (don't listen to those crazy direcfb people)
[02:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> linux is a kernel, no?
[02:27] <daniels> x is as much a part of fd.o as gstreamer is
[02:27] <daniels> (they are our two largest, and most popular, hosted projects)
[02:27] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: are you seriously advocating putting video codecs in the kernel?
[02:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> not in the kernel, no.
[02:27] <knghtbrd> robertj: you know, you might actually talk the guy who does Path Finder into a GNUStep port..
[02:27] <randabis> knightbrd I just like the look :p
[02:28] <mapzta> BROKEN_LADDER, Linux isnt a kernel. Linux is a operating system. The Kernel is the "central operating most important thingy" that works inside Linux as the "brain" if you may...
[02:28] <Elk_Brad> hello hello hello!
[02:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> linux is not an operating system.
[02:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> it is a kernel.
[02:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> see the debian web site.
[02:28] <arc_> mapzta: erm...
[02:28] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: beos-kernel:linux::beos:ubuntu
[02:28] <cdn_beaver> how can i edit my /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[02:28] <knghtbrd> have a look at Path Finder at the cocoatech website.  It's shiiiny.  (I use it.)
[02:28] <robertj> knght: is it an OS X finder clone or OS 9
[02:28] <cdn_beaver> it doesn't seem to let me
[02:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> jdub: indeed.
[02:28] <bob2> cdn_beaver: with a text editor
[02:28] <arc_> mapzta: linux is the kernel, the operating system is gnu/linux or gnu/mit/x11/bsd/.../linux
[02:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> jdub: that's precisely what i was just pointing out.
[02:28] <bob2> cdn_beaver: but it should already have an entry for windows
[02:28] <knghtbrd> OS X finder replacement
[02:28] <cdn_beaver> bob2: it doesnt
[02:29] <Hwolf> How is it that I can remove Python 2.3? Is the shift to 2.4 complete?
[02:29] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: now, when i tell you that gstreamer is the media api for ubuntu, we've solved your issue.
[02:29] <cdn_beaver> bob2: and the text editor won't edit it
[02:29] <knghtbrd> (not Dock replacement, Dock is very hard to replace on a Mac)
[02:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> jdub: wrong
[02:29] <bob2> cdn_beaver: yes, it will
[02:29] <GammaRay> cdn_beaver: try sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:29] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: er, you realise that jdub is the person who makes that decision, right?
[02:29] <cdn_beaver> bob2: no no, as in, i try to type in menu.lst in text editor, and nothing happens
[02:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[02:29] <cdn_beaver> bob2: any idea why?
[02:29] <jdub> the fact that you can install other media apis in ubuntu is merely a convenience
[02:29] <Elk_Brad> ls
[02:29] <Elk_Brad> not lst
[02:30] <jdub> i use xine, for instance
[02:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> i've installed the gstreamer-mad package, yet rhythmbox still will not play mp3.
[02:30] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:30] <bob2> as the FAQ and wiki say
[02:30] <robertj> Wow, that does look nice
[02:31] <GammaRay> you might have to restart rhythmbox...
[02:31] <knghtbrd> robertj: KDE has a Mac-like mode, but since it wasn't designed for it, the mode looks silly and doesn't work right
[02:31] <willis__> just wondering how often the ubuntu servers rebuild the Packages file (i'm anxious for the new restricted-modules)
[02:31] <robertj> knightbrd: really the drag targets on the left + the dock are the things I miss from Finder
[02:31] <bob2> willis__: very often, the big lag is having them built and uploaded
[02:31] <robertj> also the toolbar window management
[02:31] <robertj> click glade and all your pallets and property menus should pop to the top
[02:32] <bob2> (often = every hour, iirc)
[02:32] <cdn_beaver> anyone know why I can't edit /grub/menu.lst in text editor or why changes to it won't save in Pico?
[02:32] <willis__> bob2, thanks
[02:32] <knghtbrd> robertj: I'm considering asking the PF guys if they would do a GNUStep thing.  The standard GNUStep file viewer isn't so great really
[02:32] <bob2> cdn_beaver: sudo pico /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:32] <bob2> cdn_beaver: run that
[02:32] <GammaRay> cdn_beaver: permissions dude...
[02:32] <cdn_beaver> okee
[02:32] <cdn_beaver> riiiight
[02:32] <cdn_beaver> i remember that now
[02:32] <daniels> willis__: well, it took me 45min to throw the new tarball up my DSL, then it'll probably take about 5-10 minutes for the buildds to notice and build it, 2m2s/2m10s/3m for the various buildds to build it and then upload it, and then Packages.gz gets regenerated every half hour
[02:32] <daniels> and rsynced
[02:33] <bob2> oh, half hour
[02:33] <willis__> daniels, oh wow thanks for the details, and thanks for your work
[02:33] <robertj> a Dock mode for the task list would be nice as well
[02:33] <daniels> bob2: yeah dude, days come 48x more rapidly in ubuntu land
[02:33] <daniels> willis__: no worries
[02:34] <Hwolf> Hm. Removing python 2.3 doesn't work, apperantly
[02:34] <knghtbrd> robertj: he wouldn't do it though because he doesn't want to harm sales of his shareware MacOS X program and anything ported to GNUStep could be easily backported to MacOS X.
[02:34] <cdn_beaver> bob2: thanks for the help, hopefully i won't be back asking :P
[02:34] <knghtbrd> (In fact most GNUStep stuff compiles on a mac without significant modification)
[02:34] <phuzzy> hi, i'm new to ubuntu and i'm hoping someone can help me
[02:34] <Elk_Brad> join the club phuzzy
[02:35] <phuzzy> haha i used to use Redhat WAY back in the day
[02:35] <phuzzy> i think the first distribution i had was redhat 5.0
[02:35] <phuzzy> but i'm stumped
[02:35] <Elk_Brad> prepare for a rude awakening...its way different
[02:35] <robertj> knght: it wouldn't be that hard to add the good features to finder
[02:35] <phuzzy> never used debian before
[02:35] <Hwolf> In hoary, can I safely remove fam?
[02:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> here's a bizarre problem; whenever i start up, my arrow keys are read as xf86_audionext,prev, etc. until i make some change, any change, in keyboard settings.
[02:36] <willis__> Elk_Brad, it's far from a rude awakening : ), it's quite pleasent
[02:36] <Elk_Brad> so what exactly is the issue? most people here seem to be pretty good at ansering
[02:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> it so happens that i have mod4-arrowX set up as my audio-prev and audio-next signals.
[02:36] <Elk_Brad> willis__: as in difference
[02:36] <knghtbrd> And um, Linux people don't pay for software.  Not a point worth debating, but it would mean that any such thing needs to be free software if it is to be successful.
[02:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> linux people should consider paying for some software.
[02:37] <phuzzy> well, here's my problem... i'm trying to play my MP3s right... and being a good little windows refugee, i mistankenly left the other partitions on my drive as NTFS
[02:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> phuzzy: compile in ntfs read support.
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> phuzzy: you can mount ntfs read only fairly easily
[02:37] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: no
[02:37] <bob2> please don't give useless advice to people
[02:37] <Hwolf> broken_ladder, in ubuntu, ntfs support is compiled in.
[02:37] <phuzzy> how do i compile NTFS write support?
[02:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2: well if he'd like to read data from an ntfs partition, that would be helpfeul.
[02:37] <froust> Can anyone tell me how I can find out which version of xorg I am using?
[02:37] <knghtbrd> BROKEN_LADDER: that's not much of an option
[02:37] <bob2> phuzzy: you can mount it like this: 'sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/blah /mnt/'
[02:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> Hwolf: it depends what kernel he's using.
[02:38] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: except that ALL ubuntu kernels include it
[02:38] <Hwolf> bob2: amen
[02:38] <bob2> froust: dpkg -l xserver-xorg
[02:38] <knghtbrd> phuzzy: you don't.  "write support" is so limited right now you can't use it
[02:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> if you're assuming he's using a kernel that he didn't compile himself.
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: it's a very safe assumption
[02:38] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: given that he/she is asking for help with 'mount', that seems fair
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: there is next to no reason to use a kernel you compiled yourself
[02:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> if he didn't need to compile in ntfs support, then it shouldn't be a problem.
[02:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB: that's laughable.
[02:39] <phuzzy> i can mount the file system just fine -- in read only
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> no. it's not.
[02:39] <bob2> phuzzy: right
[02:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh jesus.
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: why would I need to compile my own kernel?
[02:39] <froust> bob2: it says this when i do that "Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[02:39] <froust> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[02:39] <froust> "
[02:39] <Hwolf> broken_ladder, virtually nobody here compiles a kernel. It's not debian, nor  gentoo
[02:39] <bob2> phuzzy: write support doesn't work under linux, since MS doesn't document NTFS well enough
[02:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> say a want a kernel that has what i need for my system, and doesn't have things i don't need.
[02:39] <dud> dont make a bloody fool out of yourself BROKEN_LADDER
[02:39] <bob2> froust: yes, I know, read the last line
[02:39] <froust> okay... the error message is expected then?
[02:39] <bob2> phuzzy: you can use 'captive ntfs' which loads the windows driver into the linux kernel
[02:39] <bob2> froust: er, it's not an error
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: they are called modules, everything that can be a module is a module
[02:39] <Hwolf> broken_ladder, you use gentoo
[02:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> i know what a module is.
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: the drivers which aren't needed, aren't loaded
[02:40] <froust> oh... it's a legend
[02:40] <froust> got it
[02:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> i've never used gentoo.
[02:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> i used slackware for a year or two before switching to ubuntu.
[02:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> slackware package management sucks.
[02:40] <phuzzy> ok, so i guess my only other option is to copy everything from that partion to my ext3 partion, then reformat the partition?
[02:40] <Hwolf> broken_ladder go and try gentoo :-P
[02:40] <jdub> phuzzy: you can *read* from ntfs, but not write.
[02:40] <phuzzy> i feel like such an idiot... i don't know how to reformat partitions in linux
[02:40] <Hwolf> Phuzzy, yeah, that's what I did, but then you've got very little left for windows. :-)
[02:40] <bob2> froust: right
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> phuzzy: that would be what I would do
[02:40] <JoePenguin> phuzzy: mkfs
[02:40] <phuzzy> lol to hell with windows ;)
[02:40] <froust> The new ati drivers are rpm's... Can ubuntu install rpms?
[02:41] <jdub> froust: the new drivers have just been uploaded to hoary
[02:41] <daniels> froust: no, but it doesn't have to.  you'll be able to install xorg-driver-fglrx and xfree86-driver-fglrx very soon.
[02:41] <jdub> froust: always use the drivers provided with ubuntu
[02:41] <phuzzy> ok, i have another dumb question
[02:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB: why have modules that you aren't going to use?
[02:41] <jdub> froust: (but yes, ubuntu can install rpms with alien, but it's not the best way of doing things)
[02:42] <froust> ahh... what is the package name for 64 bit xorg, do you know?
[02:42] <phuzzy> when i try to play my MP3s, it says i need a plugin to be able to play them.. have any of you ever ran into that problem before?
[02:42] <stackpopper> Does ubuntu support ppc64?
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: oh no. the ~8-10mb of wasted hard drive space is killing me.
[02:42] <jdub> stackpopper: not as yet.
[02:42] <daniels> froust: er?  it's the same
[02:42] <daniels> froust: if you're running amd64, then xserver-xorg will be 64-bit
[02:42] <stackpopper> jdub, does ubuntu include a partition resize tool?
[02:42] <zenrox> i hope this works
 compiling new gl and mesa and drivers for my vid card
 intel 845g/l card
 hoping the i915 driver will work so i can up the fps for one game
[02:42] <jdub> phuzzy: install gstreamer0.8-mad.
[02:42] <jdub> stackpopper: no
[02:42] <phuzzy> how do i install it?
[02:42] <daniels> zenrox: um, no point
[02:42] <froust> excellent... so just apt-get xserver-xorg?
[02:43] <jdub> phuzzy: in synaptic or with apt-get
[02:43] <phuzzy> like i said, i'm really new to debian
[02:43] <daniels> zenrox: i'm going to have packages of that uploaded tonight
[02:43] <stackpopper> So resize within osx then reboot and the bootloader will be happy to offer me both osx and ubuntu choices/
[02:43] <daniels> froust: yeah, except that's only in hoary (the development branch).
[02:43] <zenrox> really daniels  kewl
[02:43] <froust> i'm in hoary
[02:43] <daniels> froust: you'll almost certainly already have it if you're running hoary
[02:43] <jdub> phuzzy: if you've just installed, you'll have to enable universe (the collection of unsupported software built from debian)
[02:43] <froust> haven't updated since yesterday
[02:43] <Kotiro> is it easy enough to upgrade from XFree86 to Xorg?
[02:43] <froust> so i probably don't.
[02:43] <jdub> Kotiro: when hoary is released, it will be a simple upgrade from warty to hoary
[02:44] <daniels> froust: xorg has been in hoary for months
[02:44] <Kotiro> warty works fine now cept for a few minor things...is it worth upgrading?
[02:44] <jdub> Kotiro: if you want to test hoary, you can try the upgrade now (which works well)
[02:44] <jdub> Kotiro: no
[02:44] <mjg59> BROKEN_LADDER: Pretty much the only developers who run kernels they've compiled themselves are the ones who deal with the kernel
[02:44] <froust> daniels: i'm talking the new ati drivers that were released today, not xorg
[02:44] <jdub> Kotiro: not unless you want to help test and debug :)
[02:44] <Kotiro> ok..stay with warty
[02:44] <daniels> froust: they'll be in by 0200 UTC, I'd imagine
[02:44] <daniels> froust: they've already been uploaded
[02:45] <Kotiro> in that case..all the functionality of my sis chip, is not working in XFree86
[02:45] <Kotiro> how do i get it to work
[02:45] <phuzzy> is there anything i can read that will help me figure out how to do all of this?
[02:45] <Kotiro> or where i can read about getting it to work
[02:45] <froust> which brings me back to my original question of what is the package name to apt-get them?
[02:45] <jdub> phuzzy: both the wiki and ubuntuguide.org
[02:45] <GammaRay> phuzzy: it's pretty simple in synaptic
[02:45] <Ex-Cyber> phuzzy: http://ubuntuguide.org
[02:45] <phuzzy> how do i start synaptic?
[02:45] <jdub> phuzzy: computer > system configuration > synaptic package manager
[02:46] <froust> Has anyone installed the drivers?
[02:46] <froust> *wondering about POSIX shared memory*
[02:47] <daniels> froust: i ran them for a few minutes, went fine
[02:47] <phuzzy> you said i needed to install g-streamer what?
[02:47] <froust> did you enable POSIX first?
[02:47] <daniels> froust: (alarmingly, i test the stuff i upload ...)
[02:47] <daniels> froust: um, didn't need to, it's been present in every revision of ubuntu ever
[02:47] <GammaRay> "One of the best ways to make sure information is kept secure is to broadcast it using a published standard, and to try to make sure the signal goes as far as possible. Right?"
[02:47] <froust> okay, i didn't know that
[02:48] <jdub> phuzzy: gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:48] <phuzzy> i don't see that in the list...
[02:48] <froust> so what is the package name?
[02:49] <jdub> phuzzy: you need to enable universe
[02:49] <zenrox> daniels,  waht do i get to get thoes drivers
[02:49] <jdub> phuzzy: settings > repositories, uncomment the universe deb lines
[02:49] <GammaRay> you also have to click update
[02:49] <GammaRay> (after)
[02:49] <Kotiro> Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". <-- where would i find this to get it working?
[02:49] <daniels> zenrox: it'll just come in a new revision of xserver-xorg/xlibmesa-gl/xlibmesa-dri tonight
[02:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> mjg59: everyone i know who runs linux compiles the kernel himself to tweak it for his machine.
[02:50] <GammaRay> BROKEN_LADDER: about the only tweaking that makes sense is ripping out modules
[02:50] <phuzzy> all i see when i do that are checkboxes under enable, then type is deb....
[02:50] <phuzzy> and there's something about URI....
[02:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> is pre-emptible kernel compiled in the ubuntu defaults?
[02:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> GammaRay: or picking the right processor eh?
[02:51] <GammaRay> I believe so
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: yes and yes
[02:51] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: funny, I could've sworn we provided packages for -386, -686, -686-smp, -k7, and -k7-smp
[02:51] <daniels> oh well
[02:51] <phuzzy> i don't see anything about "universe" in here
[02:52] <mjg59> BROKEN_LADDER: The majority of developers of Linux distributions don't...
[02:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> good for them.
[02:53] <lavigj> hey guys. any idea how to get my atheros card clipping along at 54Mbit? the highest I seem to get it is 12Mbit
[02:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> whenever i start up, my arrow keys are read as xf86_audionext,prev, etc. until i make some change, any change, in keyboard settings.
[02:53] <phuzzy> wait... i think i figured it out
[02:53] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: try recompiling your kernel to fix it
[02:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh that's funny.
[02:53] <GammaRay> phuzzy: the one that has the URL http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ add universe multiverse to the Section(s) part
[02:54] <GammaRay> phuzzy: URI rather
[02:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> has anyone else had this problem?
[02:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> this is a two week old ubuntu install.
[02:54] <froust> Can anyone tell me how to get the new ATI drivers?
[02:54] <froust> I can't find them in synaptic
[02:54] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: change back whatever it is that you changed; no default ubuntu install has ever loaded a keymap capable of generating those keysyms
[02:54] <jdub> lavigj: it's probably cycling down due to wifi quality issues
[02:54] <hidde> What is in the file /var/lib/dpkg/available ?
[02:54] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: nothing in the BTS?
[02:54] <daniels> froust: just wait like an hour
[02:54] <Pluk> froust, have a little patience :)
[02:54] <Pluk> ati just released them
[02:55] <phuzzy> well, i saw two entries for "universe" under sections... so i selected them, is that what you need to do?
[02:55] <lavigj> jdub... I don't think so. I am like, 4 feet from the router. I have read that mad-wifi doesn't support higher than 11Mbit unless you tell it to, and i am having trouble telling it to.
[02:55] <jdub> froust: dude, the package was *just* uploaded. it hasn't built  yet.
[02:55] <jdub> lavigj: not sure htne
[02:55] <yz>  i know telnet is insecure etc, but how do i enable my ubuntu to accept TELNETD connections (plz dont suggest use SSHD)
[02:55] <lavigj> jdub: I think i would at least 48Mbit with my current signal strength
[02:55] <GammaRay> phuzzy: sounds right
[02:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> daniels: i have set my keyboard shortcuts so that mod4-right is xf86audionext, for instance.
[02:55] <froust> Okay - I thought uploaded == I can download them
[02:56] <hidde> HELP: I get an error running dpkg and I can't fix it, apperantly
[02:56] <Pluk> lavigj, madwifi does support 54mbit out of the box.. here it does
[02:56] <phuzzy> ok, well i did that and i'm still not seeing g-stream(xxxx).mad
[02:56] <GammaRay> phuzzy: it should have warned you about support
[02:56] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: ...
[02:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> daniels: once i change something in keyboard settings, like say switch to a qwerty keymap then back, everything is fine.
[02:56] <lavigj> Pluk: .... hmmm....
[02:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> you said no default ubuntu install loads such keymap files.
[02:56] <lavigj> Pluk: any suggestions on how to get it up there?
[02:56] <GammaRay> phuzzy: did you click update as well?
[02:56] <Pluk> lavigj, sure your AP isnt doing 11mbit?
[02:56] <hidde> Can someone tell me what /var/lib/dpkg/available does?
[02:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2: BTS?
[02:56] <phuzzy> i clicked "ok"
[02:56] <phuzzy> i didn't see "update"
[02:57] <lavigj> Pluk: I will double check... I didn't think it was though
[02:57] <bj_> oh wow you can hit tab to finish someones name in xchat
[02:57] <GammaRay> phuzzy: reload rather
[02:57] <GammaRay> phuzzy: my mistake...
[02:57] <bob2> hidde: if you're getting errors in it, 'sudo dselect update
[02:57] <phuzzy> oh
[02:57] <phuzzy> ok lol
[02:57] <GammaRay> it's apt-get update here
[02:57] <hidde> bob2, can you explain what it does?
[02:57] <Kotiro> say, im running a pre-release version of XFree86..updates dont say anythign about needing to upgrade it to the release version..would it make a difference if i did upgrade it now?
[02:57] <bob2> hidde: it does nothing useful unless you're using dselect
[02:58] <hidde> bob2, I get errors from dpkg so I can't install anything. :-S
[02:59] <lavigj> Pluk: ok, this is wierd.... iwconfig shows it at 48Mbit.... I guess I will trust that instead of iwlist ath0 rate
[02:59] <lavigj> Pluk: nm
[03:00] <lavigj> Pluk: apparently I am being stupid :)
[03:00] <Pluk> lol
[03:00] <zenrox> lavigj,  we were all stupid at one point ;)
[03:00] <Pluk> still am
[03:00] <Pluk> :D
[03:00] <hidde> Hm. I found a bug.
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> zenrox: I was never stupid, merely misinformed
[03:00] <zenrox> lol
[03:01] <Pluk> niceone
[03:01] <Ex-Cyber> HrdwrBoB: sir, you are a better man than I ;)
[03:01] <ZzeCoOl> ogra
[03:01] <lavigj> zenrox: inexperienced perhaps? If i was stupid I wouldn't have configured this mess for 128bit wep either :)
[03:01] <ZzeCoOl> ogra ? alive?
[03:01] <zenrox> lol
[03:01] <bj_> soooo
[03:01] <daniels> HrdwrBoB: 'uninformed'
[03:02] <phuzzy> hey, thanks guys! it worked!
[03:02] <bj_> is expocity or skippy-xd ever gonna get intto the repos??
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> daniels: if I was misinformed it was other people's fault :)
[03:02] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: on my way to bed
[03:02] <ZzeCoOl> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[03:02] <ZzeCoOl> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9500 Pro Generic
[03:02] <ZzeCoOl> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)
[03:02] <ZzeCoOl> :))))
[03:03] <ogra> yup
[03:03] <ZzeCoOl> i made it
[03:03] <ogra> i see
[03:03] <ZzeCoOl> but i ahve 9700
[03:03] <Ex-Cyber> on a scale of "Warty install" to "mutually recursive blocking dependencies", roughly how painful should I expect a dist-upgrade to be? :)
[03:03] <zenrox> and another sucess storie more at 11
[03:03] <ZzeCoOl> not 9500 but this is acommon error
[03:04] <HrdwrBoB> Ex-Cyber: closer to warty install
[03:04] <bj_> Ex-Cyber, peace of cake 4 me
[03:04] <Ex-Cyber> okay
[03:04] <zenrox> ya was a pain since i had to manuly configure xorg
[03:04] <hidde_> gdm: error while loading shared libraries: libXdmcp.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:04] <hidde_> How do I fix that one?
[03:04] <Ex-Cyber> I've been through the wringer with Debian a couple times before (my own fault mostly), but it was years ago so I wasn't sure how clearly I remembered the smoother stuff
[03:05] <|QuaD-> hey all, is hoary currently broken?
[03:05] <phuzzy> ok, now one more question.... temporarily, until i can remake my file systems, how do i change the permissions of my NTFS mount so i can access it without having to be root?
[03:05] <hidde_> bob2, can you give me that command again, dselect?
[03:05] <phuzzy> i tried chown, but that didn't seem to work
[03:06] <GammaRay> mount it w/ -o dmask=000,fmask=111
[03:07] <phuzzy> so for instance.... mount -t ntfs -o dmask=000, fmask=111 /dev/hda6 /mnt/blah
[03:07] <phuzzy> ?
[03:07] <bob2> phuzzy: I told you how to do that
[03:07] <bob2> 11:37:56           bob2 | phuzzy: you can mount it like this: 'sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/blah /mnt/'
[03:08] <bob2> hidde_: scroll u
[03:08] <bob2> 11:57:18           bob2 | hidde: if you're getting errors in it, 'sudo dselect update
[03:08] <GammaRay> umask is sucky way, but it works
[03:08] <phuzzy> sorry, it was going too fast for me to catch heh
[03:09] <phuzzy> damn... it worked lol
[03:09] <phuzzy> thanks guys! you're great!
[03:10] <zenrox> phuzzy,  thats the mision for the chanel
[03:11] <kquamme94> so how is hoary coming along guys?
[03:11] <zenrox> slowly
[03:11] <hidde> Hoary is broken atm, at least for me
[03:11] <zenrox> i guess
[03:11] <zenrox> works just fine for me
[03:11] <kquamme94> seems to work well on my old 450 system
[03:12] <kquamme94> but the 2.6 celeron system don't like it
[03:12] <hidde> I can't get into gdm, actually
[03:12] <v_2> grub-install segfaults on amd64...
[03:12] <zenrox> my 2ghz celry love it
[03:12] <zenrox> + i have a cpu temp too boot
[03:12] <kquamme94> well i shouldn't say the celry but more the graphics
[03:12] <ahursdsdfgsdf> does anyone know why yarssr doesn't save the preferences after reboot?
[03:13] <zenrox> kquamme94,  what vid card
[03:13] <kquamme94> intel integrated on an emachines, heh
[03:13] <kquamme94> :(
[03:13] <zenrox> mine works just file
[03:13] <kquamme94> i reformated and stuck with warty
[03:13] <|QuaD-> bob2: just updated my hoary box after a month of not using it, postfix is breaking apt-get upgrade... is that a common problem? or unique to my box (so i should look to fix it)
[03:13] <zenrox> intel i845g/gl  built in vid card
[03:13] <kquamme94> and it's marvelous
[03:14] <zenrox> emachine d2046
[03:14] <punk0> hello somebody speak spanish
[03:14] <willis> daniels, just to check in, i just need to add fglrx to my /etc/modules file and use the default xorg.conf and it should work?
[03:14] <kquamme94> T2692
[03:14] <lamont> |QuaD-: what exactly is the error?
[03:14] <|QuaD-> blah
[03:14] <|QuaD-> hold
[03:14] <|QuaD-> i just lost it cuz i went to a dist-upgrade
[03:14] <|QuaD-> instead of upgrade
[03:14] <punk0> i have some problems whit nat in ubuntu when using my adsl (pppoe) link
[03:14] <|QuaD-> it will be back i am sure
[03:14] <zenrox> kquamme94,  yours is better then mine so you vid card should work with the new xorg coming out
[03:14] <kquamme94> i think it uses the i810 actually
[03:15] <kquamme94> could be 845, i don't remember
[03:15] <zenrox> ya for 2d
[03:15] <froust> I got this error updating... Any thoughts? ** (process:29576): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[03:15] <|QuaD-> lamont: is there a final consensus about whether to use upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[03:15] <kquamme94> my monitor gives me more fits than the card though
[03:15] <zenrox> i810 for 2d on any vid card i810 and up
[03:15] <lamont> |QuaD-: I tend to always use dist-upgrade
[03:15] <zenrox> i915 for 3d i840 and up
[03:15] <lamont> it's just a matter of how apt deals with new packages
[03:16] <jdub> |QuaD-: stick to upgrade unless you need to use dist-upgrade, you'll encounter fewer problems
[03:16] <kquamme94> damn eView monitor and the sync rates
[03:16] <GammaRay> ever since ctrl-H, type ahead selection, and the customizable list view, nautilus is seeming pretty nice
[03:16] <|QuaD-> hehe alright... 2 different answers... lol
[03:16] <|QuaD-> jdub: when would i NEED to?
[03:16] <jdub> |QuaD-: some people blithely dist-upgrade all the time, and then ask, "where is my X?"
[03:16] <|QuaD-> jdub: lol
[03:16] <zenrox> kquamme94,  i bought seprat montor dint need the hassels on eview montors
[03:16] <zenrox> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.10-2-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.872 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 296/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 74.43G Free: 42.27G Procs: 82 Uptime: 2 hrs 23 mins 50 secs Load: 2.19 1.73 1.88  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 168.73M Out: 7.99M
[03:17] <kquamme94> yea, i am serious considering getting the LCD from school and fixing it up
[03:17] <kquamme94> so i can use it
[03:17] <jdub> |QuaD-: when there are normal package add/remove requirements, and you know which packages are going to be cahnged (use -u with apt-get)
[03:17] <HrdwrBoB> GammaRay: ctrl+h?
[03:17] <GammaRay> HrdwrBoB: shows hidden files
[03:17] <GammaRay> HrdwrBoB: even remembers them per dir
[03:18] <HrdwrBoB> ah yep
[03:18] <|QuaD-> lamont: it looks like postfix is crashing because i don't have exim installed.... gotta figure out which to install
[03:19] <GammaRay> err remembers the setting per dir
[03:19] <heliolit1> who uses fluxbox? I heard about it in here, and was wondering what it replaces?  It says on its site that it has support for KDE and ltd. for Gnome but I thought it was a Desktop Environment that replaced those...
[03:19] <|QuaD-> errors were encountered while processing: postfix, popularity-contest(?? whats this??), postfix-tls,ubuntu-base(LOL)
[03:20] <|QuaD-> lamont: if i post a file with the errors, will you take a look at it?
[03:20] <GammaRay> heliolit1: they mean the standards that allow it to take the place of kwin
[03:20] <GammaRay> heliolit1: and work w/ things like the pager
[03:20] <nate5> anyone here use yarssr?
[03:20] <GammaRay> it probably works in gnome fine
[03:21] <heliolit1> GammaRay: so it doesn't replace Gnome? or it does, but it gets its preferences etc. from Gnome if that's what you were using?
[03:21] <sl4sh> alguien habla espaniol???
[03:21] <GammaRay> it can be run standalone or as a replacement for metacity
[03:21] <Agrajag> sl4sh: #ubuntu-es
[03:21] <heliolit1> si pero aqui hablan puro ingles: yeah I speak Spanish but this is an English channel
[03:21] <GammaRay> you can run metacity standalone as well
[03:21] <dud> i cant believe i just fscking deleted my entire home directory >_<
[03:22] <sl4sh> thank =)
[03:22] <|QuaD-> does apt-get log errors anywhere
[03:22] <lamont> |QuaD-: stderr
[03:22] <lamont> although you could '
[03:22] <heliolit1> GammaRay: so Gnome, Metacity, Fluxbox are all Desktop Environments, right?
[03:22] <lamont> apt-get install postfix postfix-tls and see what it says then
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> heliolit1: no, gnome is a DE, metacity and fluxbox are window managers
[03:23] <|QuaD-> lamont: i don't have x running
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> heliolit1: they control how you move windows around, and what the decorations are
[03:23] <willis> has anyone gotten the new ati drivers to work in xorg?
[03:23] <heliolit1> HrdwrBoB oh so they're like Themes managers?
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> willis: they are in the hoary repository
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> heliolit1: sort of yeah
[03:23] <bj_> whats the purpose of xresprobe?
[03:23] <jdub> willis: the drivers have been uploaded to hoary, wait for them to be built and use those
[03:23] <dud> fuck fuck fuck :(
[03:23] <heliolit1> HrdwrBob: do you use either of them?
[03:23] <|QuaD-> lamont: how is the easiest way for me to get you the log (having trouble getting it into a file)
[03:24] <GammaRay> HrdwrBoB: fluxbox can also be considered somewhat of a Desktop Environment
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> bj_: probes monitors for resolutions X can use
[03:24] <lamont> |QuaD-: apt-get install postfix postfix-tls > foo 2>&1
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> heliolit1: I use metacity with GNOME, which is the ubuntu defalt
[03:24] <lamont> then mail foo to lamont@ubuntu.com
[03:24] <willis> jdub, i got the new ones ( I'm pretty sure, the changelog on my computer matches the accepted notice ) but i'm having trouble loading them
[03:24] <bj_> HrdwrBoB,  Itt didnt rreturn anytthin
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> bj_: what is your video card
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> you need to run xresprobe ati
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> or similar
[03:24] <GammaRay> fluxbox has a taskbar, pager, and menu. and possibly lots of addons through the bb stuff
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> why are you running xresprobe?
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> GammaRay: ahh
[03:25] <heliolit1> HrdwrBoB: oh, so if I'm running Ubuntu off a fresh install (as of yesterday) I'm using Metacity too probably?
[03:25] <bj_> nvidia geforce2ti
[03:25] <dud> my homefolder is so empty i could die
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> heliolit1: yes
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> bj_: run xresprobe nvidia
[03:25] <bj_> I did xrerrsproe nvidia
[03:25] <bj_> maybbe nvv?
[03:25] <bj_> stupid keyboarrd lol
[03:25] <heliolit1> GammaRay: Do you use Fluxbox?
[03:25] <|QuaD-> lamont: can i give you a website?
[03:25] <jdub> willis: yeah, they're bulit now
[03:26] <GammaRay> heliolit1: I have.. but not now
[03:26] <jdub> willis: see the guide on the wiki
[03:26] <|QuaD-> www.slovin.us/apt.error
[03:26] <nate5> what kind of rss readers do you guys use in ubuntu?
[03:26] <GammaRay> heliolit1: I perfer the extra lightness of icewm
[03:26] <jdub> nate5: blam
[03:26] <heliolit1> nate5 bloglines =P
[03:26] <jdub> nate5: but usually i just read planets :)
[03:26] <nate5> for some reason blam forgets my feeds when I reboot
[03:26] <nate5> I added slashdot and that stayed up
[03:26] <lamont> |QuaD-: sure
[03:26] <nate5> the rest disappear
[03:26] <GammaRay> flux is kinda heavy on a k6-2 266 w/ my video card
[03:26] <heliolit1> GammaRay: so you replaced Metacity with icewm?
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> bj_: are you using sudo to run it?
[03:27] <nate5> so does yarssr
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> bj_: why do you need to run it
[03:27] <daniels> bj_: you need to use 'xresprobe nv'
[03:27] <GammaRay> heliolit1: any part of gnome would kill this computer
[03:27] <daniels> but bob's question is a good one
[03:27] <|QuaD-> lamont: did you get that address? www.slovin.us/apt.error
[03:27] <Scooter> I am installing Warty on amd-64 system... it dont see my windows OS in the grub installer... can I tweak this later? or should i abort the install?
[03:27] <Scooter> TIA :)
[03:27] <NetwrkMonkey> what program do most of you use for burning dvds?
[03:27] <GammaRay> heliolit1: however I run full gnome on an Duron 800 I also have
[03:28] <lamont> |QuaD-: did now/
[03:28] <heliolit1> GammaRay: and stick with Metacity on that box?
[03:28] <|QuaD-> lamont: thanks
[03:28] <GammaRay> heliolit1: yea
[03:28] <bj_> i wasnt sudoing
[03:28] <lamont> |QuaD-: what does ls -l /bin/sh point to?
[03:29] <heliolit1> GammaRay: ty I'm beginning to understand (=
[03:29] <|QuaD-> bash
[03:29] <|QuaD-> lamont: bash
[03:29] <lamont> and what does that line following 'Starting postfix' say??  all gibberish here
[03:29] <lamont> or is the line following it 'invoke-rc.d'?
[03:29] <dud> i had so much stuff in my home directory...
[03:29] <keyshawn> does anyone else notice that the speeds from ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net to be VERY slow ? [around .5 kb's/sec] 
[03:29] <Neo_654> helio, I' glad you are cause I am also interested in this but about as lost as you can get.  Came in too late I think.
[03:30] <keyshawn> im trying to do some updates.
[03:30] <bj_> HrdwrBoB,  I found this monitor and was hoping it could go over 1024x8xx
[03:30] <lamont> |QuaD-: grep -e fatal -e error -e warn /var/log/mail.log
[03:30] <|QuaD-> lamont: i can't read it here either, can't scroll up
[03:30] <bj_> but alas
[03:30] <|QuaD-> lamont: ok, hold
[03:31] <siimo> anyone think KDE fonts look better than gnome? http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/3.3/snapshot9.png
[03:31] <heliolit1> Neo_654 too late in the conversation or what do you mean?
[03:31] <keyshawn> meh, i dont want the kde v. gnome flame wars.
[03:31] <Neo_654> Helio late into the coversation.
[03:32] <|QuaD-> lamont: i will summarize the errors, "fatal: the postfix mail system is already running", lots of those, if you want the full thing i can send it to you
[03:32] <Riddell> siimo: fonts are independent of desktop environment
[03:32] <heliolit1> Neo_654 it was short, basically, I asked what Fluxbox is and people told me it is a "Windows Manager" for X, but can also be considered somewhat of a Desktop environment
[03:32] <siimo> Riddell, well they seem to look a lot crisper in KDE
[03:32] <lamont> |QuaD-: oh. that.
[03:33] <lamont> sudo postfix stop; apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:33] <lamont> already in the bts
[03:33] <phuzzy> does anyone know how to install java for firefox?
[03:33] <heliolit1> Neo_654 This url helped parse it all together: http://www.plig.org/xwinman/fluxbox.html
[03:33] <|QuaD-> lamont: beautiful
[03:34] <|QuaD-> lamont: would apt-get normally stop it?
[03:34] <Neo_654> helio, guess I didn't come into late then.  I'm just trying to figure out where to start to understand how to "tweak" the look of the desktop without destroying it as I already did once today.
[03:34] <lamont> |QuaD-: yes - that's the bug
[03:34] <|QuaD-> lamont: no more apt-get errors at all
[03:34] <|QuaD-> lamont: should i file a bug report?
[03:34] <lamont> yeah - the rest of them were cascading from the postfix failure
[03:34] <lamont> it's already there.
[03:34] <heliolit1> Neo_654 haha how'd you destroy it?  are you just using Metacity to change the appearance or what?
[03:34] <|QuaD-> lamont: ok... thanks... brb... going to attempt a restart onto the new kernel...brb
[03:34] <lamont> 5580, 5586, and probably at least one more... :-(
[03:35] <jdub> Neo_654: computer > desktop preferences > theme
[03:35] <Neo_654> Started playing the with panels(?) and lost gaim and could get it straightened out for a couple of hours.
[03:35] <keyshawn> ?
[03:36] <heliolit1> Neo_654 via command line or somewhere else?
[03:36] <keyshawn> [reference to my question from above, accidently exited from here] 
[03:36] <Neo_654> jdub, played with that a little just not finding anything that I like.  I like those translusant looks.
[03:37] <Neo_654> helio, it was the misclick that clicked the remove from panel that bit me in the backside.
[03:37] <|QuaD-> lamont: everything works... thanks again
[03:38] <heliolit1> Neo_654 jdub is what?
[03:39] <Neo_654> helio I was replying to jdub.
[03:39] <heliolit1> neo oops
[03:39] <jdub> heliolit1: jdub is me :)
[03:39] <kotau> So is there a way to figure out what kind of driver I'll need for this Sakar webcam?  They offer no linux driver, but if I remember correctly when this box was windows it needed no driver, it just saw it as a media device.  When I plug it in Ubuntu wants to import photos from it, even though there are none on it.  Would I be able to just specify the device (it says it is an argus DC-10 or somesuch) in a webcam app?
[03:39] <lamont> |QuaD-: sorry about the bug
[03:39] <Neo_654> And as far as I can tell a nice and knowledgeable person.
[03:40] <heliolit1> jdub: haha sorry I realize that now, I thought you were a window manager =P
[03:40] <dud> fscking pieve of crap assed brain... how could i delete my home directory..... i mean god damn it.... ill have to just install ubuntu all over :(
[03:40] <kotau> zomg dud.
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> kotau: what does lspci say
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> kotau: I use camstream for my webcam
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> er lsusb
[03:40] <|QuaD-> lamont: haha... i am so impressed with ubuntu, that I can't complain about a bug in a UNSTABLE version
[03:40] <kotau> sorry hrdwrbob, is that a command I run from terminal?
[03:40] <dud> and all the custom builds and tweaks ive been through to finally get mplayer, java, transcodde and more working on amd64
[03:41] <Neo_654> helio, did you see my message to you about the colors?
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> kotau: yes
[03:41] <heliolit1> Neo: I've been looking at the Fluxbox screenshots here: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/screenshots-dev.php although I really need to get the main config more dialed in before I mess around with the bells & whistles
[03:41] <kotau> hrdwrbob oh wow thanks for that command!  how incredibly useful!
[03:42] <HrdwrBoB> no problem
[03:42] <kotau> just for a follow up that lists it as **Bus 001 Device 002: ID 2770:9120 NHJ, Ltd Che-ez! Snap / iClick Tiny VGA Digital  Camera**
[03:43] <kotau> it must not need a specific driver.. off to install camstrem
[03:45] <froust> When I do an apt-cache show, it returns this: "E: No packages found"
[03:49] <v_2> what's the state of amd64 on ubuntu vs. vanilla debian-amd64?
[03:50] <linux-rulz> hey, does anyone know if it is possible to write a disc, then write more files to it at a later point in ubuntu like u can do in windows?
[03:50] <twstd3bc> any pointers or links to making an initrd for a PPC kernel (2.6.10)?  The initrd's for 2.6.8.1 aren't working out.
[03:51] <twstd3bc> linux-rulz: yeah do multi-session with cdrecord
[03:51] <kquamme94> linux-rulz: should be able to
[03:51] <linux-rulz> twstd3bc: preferably gui tools please....if not then i'll take command line
[03:51] <CKKnight> I heart Ubuntu
[03:52] <kquamme94> linux-rulz: you could try xcdroast
[03:52] <kquamme94> if there's a .deb for it
[03:53] <kquamme94> linux-rulz: i used it for the longest time when i ran xfce on slackware
[03:53] <dud> fsck it... ill try installing debian this time
[03:53] <dud> hrm
[03:53] <linux-rulz> kquamme94: hopefully it works better than K3B on Ubuntu...oh god, what a nightmare that was :-P
[03:53] <kquamme94> what was wrong with k3b?
[03:54] <GammaRay> xcdroat has a complicated gui but it's very reliable
[03:54] <linux-rulz> kept locking up and forcing me to reboot...would just write a bit, then read and read and read for ages
[03:54] <randabis> xcdroast is in the repos
[03:54] <kquamme94> i was just gonna mention that gamma, you know your stuff
[03:54] <linux-rulz> but nautilus burnt just fine
[03:54] <kquamme94> i've been using nautilus
[03:54] <kquamme94> so i didn't bother dl-ing and installing roast
[03:54] <randabis> I use k3b just fine
[03:55] <linux-rulz> i cant find an option in nautilus for doing multisession discs tho
[03:55] <randabis> just wish I could get it to burn faster than 30x
[03:55] <linux-rulz> does xcdroast have support for multi-session and audio cds....if not then maybe i will try k3b again
[03:55] <kquamme94> i'd try k3b again if you want ease of use
[03:55] <esac> how does one request a package to be added to apt ?
[03:56] <kquamme94> just make sure your libraries are ok
[03:56] <kquamme94> like qt
[03:56] <linux-rulz> nah, i can usually use complicated programs, i just prefer gui in certain situations
[03:56] <kquamme94> you could always get both
[03:56] <linux-rulz> in others, like manages files on my computer, the command line is much easier to use IMHO
[03:56] <kquamme94> and then get rid of the one you don't want
[03:56] <linux-rulz> yeah, thats true...but i dont want too many coasters, im running low on blank discs
[03:57] <kquamme94> :)
[03:57] <linux-rulz> so just trying to collect info before i burn anything
[03:57] <kquamme94> as for file managers, can't go wrong with MC
[03:57] <kquamme94> is that in the repositories?
[03:57] <linux-rulz> ive actually never tried it, i should
[03:58] <linux-rulz> yep, midnight commander is in the repos...apt-get install mc
[03:58] <kquamme94> i love MC, started using it on slack and can't put it down..... an absolute neccesity if x fails
[03:58] <GammaRay> mc is very nice.. great on a crappy computer. I love extrnal panelize
[03:58] <GammaRay> mc has no decent rename feature though
[03:58] <gen> you guys talking about midnight commander?
[03:58] <kquamme94> nope, but it gets the job done
[03:58] <kquamme94> yep
[03:59] <GammaRay> rigged one up w/ dialog though
[03:59] <riplakish> Let me be the 900th person to ask this question:  How do I get the new ATI drivers to work?
[03:59] <kquamme94> just have to move it to same dir with different name
[03:59] <GammaRay> but dialog sucks for function keys though
[03:59] <randabis> is openoffice.org2-core not ready yet or something?
[03:59] <GammaRay> kquamme94: but then you have to retype the name
[03:59] <linux-rulz> openoffice.org2...it hasnt been released yet
[04:00] <kquamme94> yea, but hey, what do you expect from a program that's as old as MC? heh
[04:00] <randabis> in hoary we have a package openoffice.org2-debian-files
[04:00] <riplakish> I upgraded to Hoary already, I installed the linux-retricted-modules and xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:00] <randabis> but you can't install it because openoffice.org2-core isn't there
[04:00] <GammaRay> kquamme94: I'm getting desperate enough to learn curses and add it myself
[04:00] <riplakish> it's a no go
[04:00] <linux-rulz> openoffice.org 2 just entered beta...it is still called 1.9.something, so i dont know why OOo2 would be there
[04:01] <kquamme94> i'd use ur version if you tweaked it
[04:01] <kquamme94> modernize it a litte
[04:01] <NetwrkMonkey> anyone know of any good linux hardware compatibility sites?
[04:01] <riplakish> glxgears still has pathetic FPS' and glxinfo still says Mesa, what am I no doing correctly?
[04:01] <NetwrkMonkey> that are current
[04:01] <NetwrkMonkey> most stuff i've found is years old
[04:02] <knoppix_> how can i make a windows application work in ubuntu?
[04:02] <GammaRay> wine... if you put quotes around work
[04:02] <linux-rulz> Does anyone know of a place where we can suggest packages that should be moved from universe to main so that they can receive security updates?
[04:02] <riplakish> can anyone help me with my ATI driver problem?
[04:02] <linux-rulz> or vote or something?
[04:03] <kquamme94> riplakish: did you search the forums
[04:03] <kquamme94> i'm sure there is something there
[04:03] <riplakish> yes, these are the new drivers that just came out today
[04:04] <linux-rulz> riplakish: you should maybe use the old drivers for the time being
[04:04] <kquamme94> i agree
[04:04] <kquamme94> too soon to expect anyone to have support help for the new drivers
[04:04] <riplakish> i'd rather not.  it's been what - 2 years and still am waiting for decent drivers
[04:04] <linux-rulz> ATI's drivers tend to have different methods of forcing them to work on different distros
[04:04] <kquamme94> did the old ones get the job done?
[04:05] <riplakish> no, been running Mesa.  sux for games
[04:05] <billytwowilly> are the new ati drivers available in an easy to update deb yet?
[04:05] <linux-rulz> riplakish: wait a week or 2, then maybe someone will have posted a howto or something
[04:05] <froust> billy: yup
[04:05] <randabis> billy yessir, in hoary
[04:05] <riplakish> billy:  in the hoary repositories
[04:05] <billytwowilly> ok, I'll look.
[04:05] <froust> mine won't wo0rk
[04:05] <billytwowilly> see if I can figure it out;)
[04:06] <randabis> riplakish have you checked your xorg.conf?
[04:06] <kquamme94> well if your going to try and use the new drivers you best start working on stuff yourself for a few days
[04:06] <riplakish> randabis: for anything specific?
[04:06] <kquamme94> did you look at xorg logs?
[04:06] <randabis> in the device section you should have the frglx (or whatever it's called) driver in there
[04:07] <kquamme94> anyone here see the new Novell distro?
[04:07] <randabis> novell linux desktop?
[04:07] <riplakish> kquamme94:  dan said he had the package ready last week.  it should be as simple as update then upgrade from synaptic
[04:07] <froust> "trying to overwrite /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1' which is also in package ia32-libs"
[04:08] <froust> I get that when I try to update
[04:08] <froust> the drivers
[04:08] <kquamme94> so what happens when you try to start x?
[04:08] <randabis> kquamme94 novell linux desktop?
[04:08] <kquamme94> yea randabis that's the one
[04:08] <randabis> I've used it
[04:08] <riplakish> my driver says "ati"
[04:09] <randabis> it's okay, but it is pretty bare..not a lot of stuff comes with it
[04:09] <randabis> that's your problem rip
[04:09] <riplakish> in xorg.conf, that is
[04:09] <randabis> you're not using the new driver
[04:09] <kquamme94> yea, it's gotta be the name of the new driver
[04:09] <froust> I can't update the driver
[04:09] <firstknight> Hi, I have blabla.tar.gz and blabla.tar.gz.sg.... How do I verify blabla.tar.gz file????
[04:10] <kquamme94> hey, linuxformat has ubuntu ranked in the top 15!
[04:10] <gen> of course it does
[04:10] <randabis> NLD has gnome 2.8 though and it does look pretty slick, but like I said, you don't get a lot of software with it
[04:10] <randabis> and suse packages don't seem compatible
[04:10] <kquamme94> i thought they said it came with 2.6
[04:10] <randabis> hmm..looked like 2.8 to me, could be wrong
[04:10] <Elk_Brad> does mandrake packages work on Ubuntu?
[04:10] <randabis> probably is 2.6
[04:10] <Elk_Brad> do*
[04:11] <kquamme94> lemme check it agaoin
[04:11] <kquamme94> again
[04:11] <randabis> Elk most likely not
[04:11] <randabis> why you would want to install mandrake packages is beyond me
[04:11] <linux-rulz> is there anywhere i can get a list of packages that are currently in hoary without changing my sources.list?
[04:11] <gen> haha
[04:11] <kquamme94> NLD 9 ships with a version-old GNOME release, 2.6. Version 2.6 lacks some improvements we had welcomed in the latest, Version 2.8, such as a straightened-out means of configuring file types.
[04:11] <billytwowilly> any special notes I should know about for the ati drivers?
[04:11] <jdub> linux-rulz: look at archive.ubuntu.com
[04:11] <billytwowilly> anything I have to change that synaptic doesn't do for me?
[04:12] <kquamme94> came from eweek review
[04:12] <randabis> kquamme ah, well they do look pretty similar... :p I only used it a few days
[04:12] <linux-rulz> jdub: i tried, i went to for example abiword but how can i tell which are for hoary and which are for warty?
[04:12] <randabis> billy you'll probably have to change the device driver in xorg.conf
[04:13] <randabis> unless there is a command similar to nvidia-glx-enable for ati
[04:13] <jdub> linux-rulz: look at the dsc or changes files
[04:13] <linux-rulz> other than by version numbers, is there any other way to tell?
[04:13] <kquamme94> riplakish: you get it sorted out?
[04:14] <billytwowilly> did it for me. Nice
[04:14] <linux-rulz> jdub: sorry for being moronic but where are those? in each package folder?
[04:14] <punk0> hi: i have some problems with nat in ubuntu when using my adsl (pppoe) conection, I have routing but when I want load to medium or big sites I cannot do,somebody has had these problems
[04:15] <randabis> billy it isn't ati if that's what it says
[04:15] <randabis> the driver is like frglx or something
[04:15] <jdub> linux-rulz: yes
[04:15] <randabis> not an ati man so I dunno
[04:15] <billytwowilly> it says fglxr
[04:15] <randabis> okay good
[04:15] <randabis> :)
[04:16] <billytwowilly> lemme check again;)
[04:16] <kquamme94> i wonder how riplakish made out
[04:16] <randabis> you have to restart xserver for it to use the never driver
[04:16] <randabis> never = new
[04:16] <randabis> dunno, he kinda disappeared
[04:17] <kquamme94> hopefully things are working
[04:17] <billytwowilly> randabis, heh, I misread it. fglxr was commented out from previously and ati wasn't so I commented out ati and uncommented fglxr.
[04:17] <randabis> godo
[04:17] <randabis> good even
[04:17] <randabis> should just have to restart x then
[04:18] <randabis> and if there are problems you can just go back to the old driver
[04:18] <linux-rulz> jdub: there is nothing in the dsc that suggests which version of each file is for which version of Ubuntu
[04:18] <Grev> is there is easy way to upgrade warty to xorg?
[04:18] <jdub> Grev: no
[04:18] <linux-rulz> jdub: where does apt look to find this info?
[04:19] <randabis> everybody's scary of hoary ;p
[04:19] <kquamme94> lol, not me
[04:19] <randabis> guess it's that big bad UNSTABLE label :p
[04:19] <kquamme94> i use it on an older machine
[04:19] <randabis> me either, I likes it a loot
[04:19] <kquamme94> i was using it on this machine...
[04:19] <randabis> I have it on my main box and laptop
[04:19] <jdub> linux-rulz: the Packages file, you could look in it
[04:19] <jdub> linux-rulz: sorry, i was thinking of the build logs site rather than archive
[04:19] <kquamme94> i am considering using it on this one again
[04:20] <Grev> randabis: gnome was too unstable using a wireless connection
[04:20] <billytwowilly> it's nice
[04:20] <kquamme94> i agree it's nice
[04:20] <billytwowilly> actually, I'll wait till I reboot to say if it's nice or not;)
[04:20] <randabis> my wireless connection on the laptop works fine in hoary with gnome
[04:20] <jdub> Grev: there no relationship between gnome and using wifi...
[04:20] <kquamme94> but most of my time at school on the hoary machine is spent updating
[04:20] <jdub> Grev: beyond the wifi applet
[04:20] <daniels> riplakish: what's wrong with the new drivers?
[04:20] <billytwowilly> my wireless works also, with some tweaking. stupid software on switch..
[04:21] <randabis> daniels, he's disappeared... :p
[04:21] <randabis> his problem was with his xorg.conf I think
[04:21] <daniels> ajhr
[04:21] <randabis> it still had ati as the driver
[04:21] <daniels> ahr, even
[04:21] <linux-rulz> jdub: sorry for being a royal pain in the ass, but i worked all day and my brain isnt functioning at this point, could u provide a link to the file please?
[04:21] <hacim> when I run vlc the movie plays, but no sound, is there something I am missing?
[04:21] <Grev> the wifi applet kept resetting IP to static ip from dhcp
[04:22] <hacim> like a plugin for sound?
[04:22] <jdub> linux-rulz: look under dists
[04:22] <randabis> hey, I wanted to install the openoffice.org2-debian-files, but openoffice.org2-core isn't installable...I thought I got an e-mail saying it was accepted...
[04:22] <jdub> randabis: it hasn't built
[04:22] <randabis> ah
[04:22] <jdub> randabis: hoary-changes is all about uploads, not completed builds
[04:22] <randabis> k
[04:23] <randabis> is there a mailing list for completed builds as well?
[04:23] <jdub> no
[04:23] <randabis> ok
[04:24] <randabis> I like being notified by mail of changes at any rate. :)
[04:24] <randabis> hacim, I don't get sound in vlc either..never figured out why
[04:24] <gelatinouscube> yall mind if I throw a couple of basic questions out there?
[04:24] <hacim> randabis: I think it is something with gnome
[04:24] <randabis> so I just use gxine instead :p
[04:25] <randabis> gelatinouscube NO! :p go ahead
[04:25] <gelatinouscube> k :), here it goes
[04:25] <PovRayMan> I was looking around gnoppix.org and the "support" link flashes me right to ubuntu's website support.  Does that mean I can ask a Gnoppix related question here and possibly get an answer back? :-)
[04:25] <jdub> gelatinouscube: the answer to that is always "ask don't ask to ask" ;-)
[04:25] <hacim> gnome seems to keep vlc from outputting sound, what causes that?
[04:25] <gelatinouscube> one, gtk+ fonts, I have search the forums with no luck on getting them to not look like crap
[04:25] <gelatinouscube> any suggestions?
[04:25] <jdub> hacim: something else is using your sound device, probably esd. configure vlc to use esd.
[04:26] <jdub> gelatinouscube: try various settings in the Fonts dialogue
[04:26] <GammaRay> gelatinouscube: what are you comparing them to?
[04:26] <randabis> vlc's configuration editor sucks :p
[04:26] <jdub> gelatinouscube: depending on the font, whether the autohinter is on (/etc/fonts/local.conf), whether subpixel AA is on and whether it's configured for your screen correctly can all have an impact
[04:27] <gelatinouscube> I'm comparing them to what I had under gentoo where my gtk and gtk2 fonts look the same
[04:27] <hacim> jdub: not so sure how
[04:27] <GammaRay> jdub: is it just me or is the type coder interpeter for freetype shipped on?
[04:28] <PovRayMan> I just wanted to know if there was a complete Gnoppix install alongside it being a Live Cd.  I want to install a simple linux setup with gnome/fluxbox for the only purpose of web/aim/irc.  I tried to install ubuntu but the installer just hangs, the ubuntu live cd works fine though.
[04:28] <randabis> but jdub's probably right, esd causes a lot of trouble for some apps
[04:28] <billytwowilly> hmm, on glxgears inspection, the new ati drivers suck..
[04:28] <hikaru79> Xfce is cool. Anyone else tried out the new 4.2.0 yet? =)
[04:28] <randabis> I can't play doom3 unless I completely kill esd for instance
[04:28] <jdub> GammaRay: i don't believe we turn on the bytecode interpreter.
[04:28] <billytwowilly> 1375 fps? wtf?
[04:28] <jdub> randabis: no, it only causes trouble for apps that aren't configured to use it.
[04:28] <randabis> meh that's what I meant
[04:28] <randabis> :p
[04:28] <jdub> hikaru79: yeah, it's looking good. bit more confusing that i expected it to be
[04:28] <PovRayMan> hikaru79 I tried that XFCD live cd, its nice.
[04:29] <hikaru79> jdub, confusing? How so?
[04:29] <hikaru79> PovRayMan, I've just installed it, and it is nice indeed =)
[04:29] <jdub> hikaru79: lots of clicky-clicky things.
[04:29] <GammaRay> jdub: are there replacement packages in universe/multiverse? I don't remember doing it myself.
[04:29] <hikaru79> Heh
[04:29] <PovRayMan> so anyone have any idea to help me solve my situation?
[04:29] <jdub> GammaRay: of?
[04:29] <hikaru79> I'm noticing an instant improvement in Firefox loading time...
[04:30] <GammaRay> jdub: freetype2
[04:30] <jdub> GammaRay: why would there be?
[04:31] <GammaRay> jdub: to turn on the byte code interpeter
[04:31] <gelatinouscube> jdub: it looks like the autohinting is off
[04:31] <jdub> GammaRay: no way dude.
[04:33] <riplakish> sorry, I'm back now
[04:33] <shantanu> hello
[04:34] <riplakish> I ran fglrxconfig and it generated a new xorg.conf file for me.  I'll see if that does the trick.  BRB.  Hopefully ;)
[04:34] <hacim> what do people use to watch movies? I've tried totem, vlc, and xine and they all work, but none of them play sound
[04:36] <GammaRay> hmm I have the freetype package that shipped w/ warty but my ms fonst look as good as on windows
[04:36] <GammaRay> very odd
[04:36] <hikaru79> http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-10/  <--- Will this be included in Hoary?
[04:36] <hikaru79> Or is Hoary coming out before this is released?
[04:37] <bj_> its 2.9.4 now
[04:37] <bj_> pretty close
[04:37] <gelatinouscube> gammaray: my fonts are fine in gtk2
[04:37] <gelatinouscube> just not gtk 1.2
[04:37] <gelatinouscube> you like for xmms, vlc, gnucash
[04:37] <gelatinouscube> ... etc
[04:39] <phuzzy> i have a quesiton for you guys
[04:39] <GammaRay> gelatinouscube: treid gtk-theme-switch?
[04:39] <gelatinouscube> themes for gtk 1 work fine also, i just haven't been able to change the font style or size
[04:39] <phuzzy> does anyone know how to install the java runtime for firefox?
[04:39] <hacim> what do people use to watch movies?
[04:39] <GammaRay> gelatinouscube: switch has font selection
[04:39] <GammaRay> hacim: dvd?
[04:39] <gelatinouscube> really, I didn't know that, let me take a look
[04:40] <hacim> GammaRay: no, quicktime, avi, etc.
[04:40] <kquamme94> hacim: probably totem or xine
[04:40] <GammaRay> hacim: I install totem-xine and the win32-codec
[04:40] <kquamme94> you'll probably need to dl codecs
[04:40] <hacim> kquamme94: yeah, both totem and xine-ui seem to play movies fine, but the sound doesn't play
[04:40] <kquamme94> hmm
[04:40] <hacim> GammaRay: yeah, I just installed those and totem seems to not play quicktime
[04:40] <kquamme94> sound server problem?
[04:41] <kquamme94> do you have xine using alsa or esd/
[04:41] <hacim> kquamme94: mmm, not sure, I just installed it
[04:41] <kquamme94> i think i have all my multimedia stuff using esd
[04:41] <kquamme94> i know i had to change XMMS to esd to get it to work
[04:42] <GammaRay> the files might have mp3s embedded
[04:42] <colo-jim> Has anyone got a ftp server up and running with Ubuntu?
[04:42] <GammaRay> I don't know if totem-xine needs a plugin for that...
[04:42] <kquamme94> oh, then i suppose you need the unsupported repos
[04:42] <hacim> kquamme94: the audio setup in xine only shows speaker arrangement :(*
[04:42] <kquamme94> did you go into the config?
[04:43] <kquamme94> and the "god" mode
[04:43] <kquamme94> or whatever it is
[04:43] <GammaRay> colo-jim: I have, but I used pure-ftpd
[04:43] <kquamme94> it shows a whole buch more crap then beginner
[04:43] <hacim> kquamme94: ah, I didn't know I needed to go in that mode
[04:43] <randabis> yeah xfce is pretty nice... :p I think hoary has 4.2 not sure
[04:43] <kquamme94> does it show up now?
[04:44] <kquamme94> if it's an mp3 isssue you'll need the mp3 codecs
[04:44] <colo-jim> GammaRay: Thanks, I will try that one I am having a hard time getting Proftpd to work
[04:44] <jdub> randabis: not yet
[04:44] <kquamme94> there is a howto on the forums
  ihave it in warty
[04:44] <jdub> randabis: because it's in universe, we may sync it
[04:44] <jdub> even though we're post-UVF
[04:45] <randabis> well this version is still pretty nice
[04:45] <kquamme94> howd it go rip?
[04:45] <Scooter> I just uninstalled everything XFce and used graphical installer from XFce site, works like a charm in warty so far 8) you need
[04:45] <riplakish> i'm back  :)  it didn't work :(
[04:45] <kquamme94> darn
[04:46] <riplakish> glad i backed my xorg.conf file
[04:46] <randabis> yeah this is 4.0.6
[04:46] <kquamme94> :)
[04:46] <Scooter> I am installing hoary on my SMP 0pteron, hopre it works,
[04:47] <randabis> hmm
[04:47] <kquamme94> i gotta split
[04:47] <kquamme94> cya all later
[04:47] <randabis> brb going back to gnome for now
[04:48] <linux-rulz> OK, I am in XCDRoast's page where you go to write a disc, i went to write tracks, then into the write tracks tab, now what write mode do i need to select in order to write it as a multisession disc....is it TAO???
[04:48] <riplakish> l8r kquamme94, thx 4 the help
[04:50] <randabis> ah
[04:50] <randabis> better :p
[04:52] <GammaRay> what does the left most column mean in dpkg -l?
[04:54] <yokomo_> how does one install fluxbox?
[04:54] <yokomo_> I did the apt-get install fluxbox
[04:54] <yokomo_> but it says another window manager is already running
[04:55] <yokomo_> what window manager would that be?
[04:56] <hacim> huh, xine sorta works now, but it sucks as a movie player
[04:56] <jdub> hacim: use totem-xine
[04:56] <hacim> jdub: I'll try that
[04:57] <hacim> jdub: if I install totem-xine, it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop!
[04:57] <crimsun> jdub: that's fine.
[04:57] <crimsun> err
[04:57] <crimsun> sorry jdub :)
[04:57] <crimsun> hacim: that's fine.
[04:57] <hacim> it is?
[04:57] <jdub> hacim: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package
[04:57] <hacim> ok
[04:58] <koko775> i'm having trouble with ubuntu
[04:58] <hacim> and its fine it removes totem-gstreamer?
[04:58] <jdub> hacim: it'll annoy you a bit when doing upgrades, but just try to install u-d every now and then and see what's missing
[04:58] <jdub> hacim: yes
[04:58] <koko775> i just installed hoary, and sudo isn't working
[04:58] <randabis> maybe you aren't in the sudousers group
[04:58] <koko775> that's what it says
[04:58] <hacim> jdub: if i could get vlc to work with esd I would be happy
[04:59] <koko775> and i can't use root
[04:59] <koko775> obviously
[04:59] <koko775> how do i make myself a sudouser?
[04:59] <koko775> does it require rebooting into single user mode?
[05:00] <hacim> jdub: how do I make totem-xine use esd?
[05:00] <riplakish> it works!
[05:00] <shantanu> is there any good email client with ubuntu other than evolution?
[05:00] <riplakish> i changed the Drver from "ati" to "fglrx" in xorg.conf and that did the trick
[05:00] <crimsun> mozilla-thunderbird
[05:01] <DonL> I like thunderbird
[05:01] <hacim> crimsun: totem-xine seems to play movies, but sound doesn't work
[05:01] <shantanu> crimsun: is it in default installation?
[05:01] <crimsun> hacim: what's the sound configured as?
[05:01] <randabis> hmm I'm not getting any sound in flash movies
[05:01] <koko775> eh
[05:01] <koko775> how do i make myself a sudouser?
[05:01] <crimsun> shantanu: no.
[05:02] <randabis> rip told ya that was the problem :p
[05:02] <DonL> shantanu, I think it's in mine, but it may be from another repository
[05:02] <hacim> crimsun: in totem?
[05:02] <crimsun> hacim: totem-xine
[05:02] <shantanu> how do I install it?
[05:02] <hacim> crimsun: maybe I am running just totem
[05:03] <hacim> crimsun: I see no executable by the name of totem-xine
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> totem-xine is the package
[05:03] <crimsun> the executable is totem
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> it replaces the 'totem' executable
[05:03] <jdub> hacim: ~/.gnome2/totem_config
[05:03] <riplakish> only problem now is that my Screen Resolution is like "1280x1024" and I cant change it.  the "Screen Resoltion" app doesn't work now
[05:03] <DonL> koko775, just type sudo <command>
[05:03] <DonL> then answer with your personal password
[05:03] <koko775> DonL: i just said, I *can't*
[05:03] <koko775> it says i'm not allowed to sudo
[05:03] <jdub> #audio.driver:auto
[05:04] <jdub> hacim: ^ uncomment that, change auto to esd
[05:04] <koko775> this is a fresh install of the current hoary iso
[05:04] <DonL> koko775, sorry, I just came in here and missed the first part
[05:04] <crimsun> shantanu: just install it using synaptic or aptitude
[05:04] <Scooter> hoary has ISO?
[05:04] <yokomo_> so, can anyone help me get fluxbox to work?
[05:04] <hacim> jdub: perfect, thanks it works
[05:04] <crimsun> shantanu: the package name is 'mozilla-thunderbird'
[05:04] <koko775> Scooter: yes, through jigdo
[05:05] <Scooter> nice 8)
[05:05] <crimsun> yokomo_: what's not working?
[05:05] <DonL> Has anyone tried enemy territories?
[05:05] <Scooter> I am just getting it from warty.. i wish i had ISO... this is pain in the A$$
[05:05] <yokomo_> crimsun, I try to run fluxbox but it says there is another manager running
[05:06] <koko775> what i'm trying to do is rsync with the ubuntu servers and then transplant the HD to my school
[05:06] <koko775> of which there are a few computers running ubuntu
[05:06] <crimsun> yokomo_: are you trying to run fluxbox from within GNOME? If so, you should exit GNOME and choose Fluxbox at the login screen.
[05:07] <yokomo_> from the login screen... right
[05:07] <yokomo_> ok
[05:07] <randabis> hmm...still haven't figured out this problem yet
[05:09] <koko775> i guess nobody cares
[05:09] <koko775> sheesh
[05:09] <DonL> anyway, seems Enemy Territory installed nicely, but it reboots my machine every time I try to run it. Any ideas?
[05:11] <Sulimo> Perhaps someone can help me out here. I did an ubuntu install and it went mostly smoothly except for the ISA sound card which it didnt detect at all. Is there any way to make it work?
[05:11] <regeya> wow, an ISA sound card!
[05:11] <DonL> I used to have one of those
[05:12] <regeya> is this perhaps an old card that requires a nice DOS util to set up (in lieu of jumpers)
[05:12] <crimsun> Sulimo: which card?
[05:12] <DonL> I had to run sndconf all the time. Mind you, that was with an old rpm distro
[05:12] <regeya> I had an old logitech, a no-jumper pre-PnP model like that.
[05:12] <Sulimo> its an old soundblaster 16 clone.
[05:12] <DonL> Yeah. That's what I had
[05:13] <crimsun> Sulimo: a true sb16 clone or a crappy emulator than only does 8-bit?
[05:13] <regeya> no help here...never had a sb16 isa. :-(
[05:13] <crimsun> that^
[05:13] <crimsun> Sulimo: lspnp
[05:13] <Sulimo> a true clone
[05:13] <crimsun> don't paste here.
[05:14] <crimsun> Sulimo: if it's a true clone, then `sudo modprobe snd-sb16'
[05:14] <DonL> I remember once 2.4.3 I think it was arrived, I didn't have to re-install it all the time
[05:14] <randabis> grr wish I could get this no sound in flash problem sorted out
[05:14] <crimsun> randabis: are you using esd?
[05:14] <adoyretsamon> er StolenShoeBox will be dumped...
[05:14] <shantanu> bbl
[05:15] <pantz_> whats the difference between multiverse and universe in sources.lst
[05:15] <StolenShoeBox> adoyretsamon, huh?
[05:15] <regeya> request:  make esd optional in hoary plsthx (unless I just had random cruft in my old home dir that caused that to happen on my warty install, in which case nevermind)
[05:15] <adoyretsamon> you just logged in and out 3 times... that's all
[05:15] <crimsun> pantz_: multiverse includes non-free and contrib components
[05:15] <jivera> Ugh, I hate windows' installer... "grah, you want to create a partition to install Windows in? Surely you want all of the available free space!"
[05:16] <adoyretsamon> lol
[05:16] <crimsun> pantz_: additionally, it merges external sources
[05:16] <regeya> well, you have to admit, jivera, that most people want to take up all available free space
[05:16] <pantz_> so with multiverse I can get mplayer?
[05:16] <regeya> it's less confusing to the average user
[05:16] <Scooter> My cavorite installers for HD are KANOTIX, you can surf net, or play solitare from live CD while it iinstalls....
[05:16] <Scooter> favorite
[05:17] <pantz_> crimsun, if i enable multiverse - does that cover all of universe too then?
[05:17] <Sulimo> crimsun: Tried it. I get a 'no such device' error.
[05:17] <crimsun> pantz_: no, you need to enable multiverse _and_ universe.
[05:17] <pantz_> crimsun, is that wise?
[05:17] <Scooter> :( is current kernel 2.6.10?
[05:17] <crimsun> pantz_: depends on what _you_ want
[05:18] <crimsun> Scooter: in Hoary, yes.
[05:18] <Scooter> Thanks :)
[05:18] <regeya> guh
[05:18] <pantz_> crimsun, mplayer :)
[05:18] <Scooter> I was getting nervous there :)
[05:18] <crimsun> Sulimo: are you absolutely positive it's a true clone?
[05:18] <crimsun> pantz_: you can use marillat's repo for it.
[05:18] <pantz_> crimsun, and tuxpaint :P
[05:19] <pantz_> crimsun, and the codecs like xvid, divx?
[05:19] <crimsun> pantz_: tuxpaint is in 'universe'
[05:19] <esac> has anybody gotten debian-marillat to work recently, it wont connect for me
[05:19] <crimsun> pantz_: codecs are in marillat's repo.
[05:19] <randabis> crimsun, yes I am using esd
[05:19] <Sulimo> crimsun: I always thought it was. Is there a way to tell?
[05:19] <randabis> sorry it took so long, I've been looking for a solution
[05:19] <pantz_> crimsun, you da man - thanks heaps
[05:19] <crimsun> randabis: did you set FIREFOX_DSP in ~/.mozilla-firefoxrc?
[05:19] <randabis> no, I'll try that..do I set it to esd?
[05:19] <crimsun> randabis: please read /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox/README.Debian
[05:20] <randabis> ok
[05:20] <crimsun> [esddsp] 
[05:20] <randabis> thx
[05:20] <themime> i just installed ubuntu but for some reason (probaby my cdrom drive or the cd itself), the GRUB loader did not load (but LILO did), is this going to effect me at all?
[05:20] <themime> did not load = did not install
[05:20] <crimsun> esac: works fine here.
[05:20] <Scooter> this new XFce is Soooo Nice!!!
[05:20] <crimsun> Sulimo: lspnp, as I stated above. :-)
[05:20] <elocal> anyone running gnomebaker?
[05:20] <regeya> what's great about the new version, Scooter?
[05:20] <crimsun> Scooter: it is nice.
[05:20] <Scooter> 4.2
[05:21] <Klementas> I just installed Ubuntu and I'm wondering what everyone uses to configure the runlevels?
[05:21] <regeya> runlevels are confusing
[05:21] <Scooter> i am installing Xorg on other system, I cant wait to see dropshadows under windows 8)
[05:21] <randabis> where is .mozilla-firefoxrc located? /home? if so, I don't have one
[05:21] <wapowell> hi
[05:21] <regeya> maybe for grumpy the system could adopt singleuser and multiuser
[05:21] <themime> thats another question i have too, what are runlevels?
[05:21] <regeya> and nothing else
[05:22] <esac> ok got it, mustve been a temporary thing
[05:22] <Klementas> I could just delete the symlinks by hand, but I'm hoping that there is a graphical prog for setting runlevels
[05:22] <Sulimo> crimsun: opening it up. It has a vibra 16 on the card.
[05:23] <Klementas> why does Ubuntu's version of gnome not have the services-admin prog?
[05:23] <crimsun> Sulimo: then it's not true PnP
[05:23] <DonL> vibra always worked well for me, Sulimo
[05:23] <crimsun> Sulimo: and you need to use `sudo modprobe snd-sb16 isapnp=0'
[05:23] <Klementas> I can't find any docs on this either, can any one point me to docs on configuring runlevels?
[05:24] <themime> ditto
[05:24] <crimsun> Klementas: Ubuntu, like Debian, does not play the runlevel game. 2->5 are equivalent.
[05:24] <themime> "no more processes left in this runlevel" ?
[05:24] <regeya> crimsun, I think he's meaning adding/removing services, crimsun.
[05:25] <crimsun> Klementas: update-rc.d
[05:25] <Klementas> crimsun, yes, I see that, but how do I turn on and off services?
[05:25] <regeya> unintuitive
[05:25] <crimsun> Klementas: /etc/init.d/something stop
[05:25] <randabis> crimsun, I'm still not getting any sound in flash movies after changing mozillafirefoxrc
[05:25] <regeya> someone should remove runlevel services until that's fixed
[05:26] <crimsun> regeya: what's broken?
[05:26] <randabis> I restarted firefox
[05:26] <crimsun> randabis: did you set FIREFOX_DSP=esddsp in ~/.mozilla-firefoxrc ?
[05:26] <randabis> yes
[05:26] <DonL> Well, night folks!
[05:26] <regeya> no intuitive way of adding and removing services if so desired
[05:27] <crimsun> regeya: patches are welcome.
[05:27] <Klementas> crimsun, so there's no graphical version of update-rc.d ?
[05:27] <crimsun> randabis: and if it's set to "auto" or "none"?
[05:27] <esac> has anybody installed mplayer ? synaptic is complaining about libartsc0 libfribidi0 libggi2 libpng12-0 and libungif4g .. how do i resolve those ?
[05:27] <randabis> it was set to auto already, I'll try none
[05:28] <crimsun> esac: add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://www.sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./
[05:28] <crimsun> esac: then update and install an mplayer package
[05:28] <randabis> nope
[05:28] <randabis> still no sound
[05:28] <crimsun> randabis: for either value?
[05:29] <crimsun> (or any of the three, rather)
[05:29] <randabis> any of them
[05:29] <randabis> I've tried them all
[05:29] <crimsun> Klementas: I'm not familiar with one, but that doesn't mean one doesn't exist. Try searching via Google.
[05:29] <crimsun> randabis: sorry, I don't know offhand then.
[05:30] <randabis> :( thanks for trying at any rate
[05:30] <crimsun> esac: what cpu do you have?
[05:30] <Klementas> crimsun, gnome comes with one, but it's not installed by ubuntu
[05:30] <randabis> esd is running, I know that much, and sound in general is working
[05:31] <esac> crimsun, p4
[05:31] <bj_> can anyone help me build something from source
[05:31] <bj_> ?
[05:31] <froust> Is there a way I can reinstall hoary overtop of my hoary install?
[05:31] <crimsun> esac: then install mplayer-686
[05:31] <froust> (I have some sort of messed up dependency problem)
[05:32] <DarkPPPP> hey, are ubuntu still having that deal where they send you out a free cd
[05:32] <esac> crimsun, mplayer-686:
[05:32] <esac>  Depends: mplayer-586 but it is not going to be installed
[05:32] <crimsun> DarkPPPP: yes, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[05:32] <Klementas> crimsun, it usually comes with gnome-system-tools, which ubuntu has, but without the services admin part
[05:32] <esac> does that mean i need to mark 586 as well ?
[05:32] <trey3> DarkPPPP, yes afaik...
[05:32] <crimsun> esac: did you add the deb line I gave you?
[05:32] <esac> it says 686 is a transitional package that should be removed
[05:32] <esac> crimsun, i did, it fixes the errors
[05:32] <esac> should i remove marillat ?
[05:33] <crimsun> esac: no, you need to keep that.
[05:33] <crimsun> esac: mplayer-586 should suffice.
[05:33] <esac> k
[05:33] <froust> Can anyone help me?
[05:33] <crimsun> esac: please direct all questions regarding those packages on www.sh.nu to me.
[05:33] <crimsun> froust: what are you attempting to build?
[05:33] <bj_> Im trying to build expocity.I did configure, make, and make install. but i see no binaries
[05:34] <froust> crimsun: I've broken gnome somehow
[05:34] <froust> I logged in to no menu (on the panel)(
[05:34] <froust> and I had this happen before when I upgraded my kernel to a k8
[05:35] <froust> I fixed it by removing gnome-applets and gnome-panel
[05:35] <froust> but when i try to reinstall gnome-applets i get a dependency error (can't install x because it needs y, can't install y because it needs x)
[05:35] <froust> I think it requires previous versions of each though
[05:35] <froust> Which is confusing
[05:36] <crimsun> froust: have you reinstalled gnome-panel, gnome-panel-data, and gnome-applets, and gnome-applets-data?
[05:36] <froust> I can't install gnome-applets
[05:36] <froust> or gnome-applets data
[05:37] <froust> it requires x.x.x.ubuntu2 and i have x.x.x.ubuntu3
[05:37] <froust> fg
[05:37] <crimsun> froust: have you updated?
[05:37] <froust> Yup
[05:37] <crimsun> froust: recently?
[05:37] <froust> like an apt-get update? several times
[05:37] <aethera> morning
[05:38] <crimsun> froust: within the last 5 minutes?
[05:38] <froust> nope
[05:38] <crimsun> froust: it upgrades fine for me.
[05:39] <froust> crimsun - i just did an update/upgrade, and nothing new was d/l'd
[05:40] <froust> I have no idea what's wrong
[05:40] <Arkainium> is it really worth while to limit yourself to the main/restricted repositories?  my main concern is I don't want to make it any harder to upgrade to future releases.
[05:41] <froust> I'm about to reinstall I think.
[05:41] <crimsun> froust: you don't need to reinstall.
[05:41] <froust> is there any way i can completely remove everything to do with gnome and reinstall it all/
[05:41] <crimsun> froust: what errors (paste to pastebin.com) do you get when you try to install those four packages?
[05:41] <Klementas> what is causing the ton of kenel modules to be loaded on startup, and how can I configure this??
[05:41] <froust> I'm stuck in tty1
[05:42] <froust> Can't copy/paste
[05:42] <esac> /boot/grub doesnt exist, why is it missing ?
[05:42] <froust> crimsun - i'll copy it verbatim... I don't have any problems with gnome-panel stuff
[05:43] <Arkainium> Klementas, i think that's the auto loading mechanism.  the only way I know around it is to compile a custom kernel or get rid of the program and load the modules yourself
[05:43] <Klementas> Arkainium, ok
[05:44] <Klementas> Arkainium, but I've compiled a ton of kernels with modules and they never loaded up
[05:44] <Klementas> Arkainium, things are getting loaded that don't exist on my box, like xfs, etc.
[05:44] <Klementas> Arkainium, something is loading this stuff up on boot
[05:45] <jackmacokc> i'm having some trouble getting my sata drive to mount at boot http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=50825
[05:45] <st3v3n> wow, this chan has grown since i was here last
[05:45] <st3v3n> is ubuntu a major distro yet? :P
[05:46] <Sulimo> crimsun: well I tried the `sudo modprobe snd-sb16 isapnp=0' command. It seemed to work. But when I try to play music through xmms I get no sound. One other problem. During startup there are constant pauses with errors like 'HDA not ready' showing. It does eventually load though (well aside form the sound issue).
[05:46] <Scooter> yes Ubuntu is major Distro, more hits per day than GENTOO
[05:46] <st3v3n> serious?
[05:46] <CKKnight> st3v3n: go to www.distrowatch.com to see
[05:46] <st3v3n> just did, it's #7
[05:46] <st3v3n> that's amazing, ubuntu really is a great distro
[05:46] <Arkainium> Klementas, sorry, not sure what to tell you.  :P  for me though, it autoloads modules from my custom kernels too
[05:47] <st3v3n> ubuntu feels like debian + slackware to me
[05:48] <Klementas> Arkainium, that's what I"m saying, there is something about the ubuntu bootup that's doing this, other distros don't do this
[05:48] <trey3> st3v3n, speed of slack + convenience of debian?
[05:48] <jackmacokc> ubuntu is my first real attempt at using unix..i love it so far
[05:48] <st3v3n> trey: convience of slack, and debian's package manager :P
[05:48] <st3v3n> convenience*
[05:48] <st3v3n> however you spell it
[05:49] <trey3> st3v3n, I've never found Slack convenient  :/
[05:49] <GammaRay> how many people *are* in here? I have turned off the count in irssi cux it's so slow.
[05:49] <daniels> 278 by my reckoning
[05:49] <trey3> st3v3n, clean... fast... sure... but convenient?
[05:49] <st3v3n> trey: it's just easy to use, quick to install and setup
[05:49] <st3v3n> that's convenient for me
[05:49] <st3v3n> not alot of the bullshit like drake and fedora
[05:50] <Pluk> lol if you check distrowatch and set it to 1 month then Ubuntu gets more hits the debian and fedora
[05:50] <st3v3n> it'll be top five by next month i bet
[05:50] <trey3> Pluk, but if you do that... Mepis is #1... so that should tell you how trustworthy that is  :P
[05:50] <Pluk> its 4 now.. :)
[05:50] <st3v3n> if not #1
[05:51] <Pluk> hehe lol
[05:51] <st3v3n> ahh it is, i had 6 months on
[05:51] <jackmacokc> so could anyone spare a minute to help me out on this serial ata mounting problem?
[05:52] <Pluk> jackmacokc, is it your bootHD?
[05:52] <jackmacokc> pluk, no its not
[05:53] <jackmacokc> well
[05:53] <jackmacokc> pluk, actually, yes i think it is
[05:53] <setite> hey
[05:53] <Pluk> lol
[05:53] <jackmacokc> heh
[05:53] <trey3> jackmacokc, make up your mind  :P
[05:53] <setite> anyone know a good photo that i can use for cellphone wallpaper?
[05:53] <jackmacokc> lol
[05:53] <jackmacokc> sorry, its kinda a weird setup..this dell treats sata drives like no other
[05:54] <Pluk> does the installer detects it?
[05:54] <jackmacokc> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=50825
[05:54] <Pluk> lemme ee :)
[05:54] <Pluk> see*
[05:54] <jackmacokc> i have it setup correctly i believe
[05:54] <jackmacokc> but it doesnt mount at bootup
[05:55] <setite> anyone know a good UBUNTU photo that i can use for cellphone wallpaper?
[05:55] <trey3> jackmacokc, does it give any errors? or just doesn't load?
[05:55] <Pluk> jackmacokc, what does cat /proc/partitions say
[05:55] <jackmacokc> it says "mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist"
[05:56] <jackmacokc> they are listed, want me to paste here?
[05:56] <zenrox> no jackmacokc
[05:56] <Pluk> http://www.pastebin.com/ paste it there
[05:56] <zenrox> use pastebin.com
[05:57] <jackmacokc> http://www.pastebin.com/230231
[05:58] <bj_> has anyone here ever played with expocity
[05:59] <bj_> ??
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> it's irritating
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> it takes over alt-tab
[05:59] <bj_> thats what i hear
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> and it can be sloooow
[05:59] <bj_> i built it from source. it it a modified meacity?
[05:59] <bj_> cause i dont see a seperate program
[06:00] <Pluk> jackmacokc, so when in X you can mount the drives correctly
[06:00] <Pluk> but not auto from within fstab
[06:00] <xBrianx> could somebody give me a hand?  I'm trying to get totem-xine to play dvd's.  I've followed all the docs online, and installed dvdcss and all.  But Totem itself doesn't offer a menu option to play a DVD.  Any ideas?
[06:00] <Scooter> Just got done APT-geting hoary from warty... Should I have Xfree installed now or Org by default?
[06:00] <HrdwrBoB> bj_: yes, ut us
[06:00] <jackmacokc> pluk, yes..when i sudo mount -a they pop up just fine
[06:00] <HrdwrBoB> it is
[06:01] <Scooter> x.org I mean
[06:01] <bj_> HrdwrBoB, so is there an easy way to make ubuntu use the modified metacity?
[06:01] <Pluk> X.org
[06:01] <Scooter> indeed, Doi have X.org now or Xfree?
[06:01] <trey3> Scooter, you will need to apt-get install xorg-common ...
[06:01] <Pluk> ah no i mean install X.org :D
[06:01] <HrdwrBoB> bj_: backup the current metacity binary and drop the new on ein
[06:01] <HrdwrBoB> one in
[06:02] <Scooter> Ok, I look at wiki
[06:02] <trey3> Scooter, either that or xserver-xorg
[06:02] <esac> when compiling some things (hsetroot), they require x header files.. what do i install for those ?
[06:02] <trey3> Scooter, the deps don't want to take usually when dist-upgrading for whatever reason...
[06:02] <Scooter> Thanks trey3 :)
[06:02] <bj_> HrdwrBoB,  oh, I dont need to worry about all those extrta files?
[06:02] <randabis> linux-headers probably esac
[06:02] <Pluk> jackmacokc, its weird and i really dunno
[06:02] <Pluk> sorry
[06:02] <randabis> err maybe not
[06:02] <randabis> think I misread
[06:02] <jackmacokc> pluk, np...but it looks like i have it setup right doesn't it?
[06:03] <Pluk> yeah looks ok to me
[06:03] <jackmacokc> hmm..thats what i thought
[06:03] <jackmacokc> are serial ata devices loaded as modules?
[06:04] <Pluk> looks like your sata disk is detected after the the partitions are mounted from within fstab?
[06:04] <jackmacokc> thats what i'm thinking
[06:04] <jackmacokc> just dont know how to fix it
[06:05] <jackmacokc> i would think serial ata filesytsems would be loaded at the same time as all the others
[06:05] <Pluk> same here :D
[06:05] <Pluk> thats why its odd
[06:05] <Evil_Joka> Hello
[06:06] <Pluk> hiya Evil_Joka
[06:06] <jackmacokc> i guess i could always write a script or something to mount them later
[06:06] <jackmacokc> have it run further in the bootup process
[06:06] <Pluk> thats alway a possibility
[06:07] <Pluk> but would be nice to fix the source :)
[06:07] <jackmacokc> indeed
[06:07] <Pluk> try digging into your logs
[06:07] <jackmacokc> zerokarmaleft and i have been working on it but neither of us can figure it out
[06:07] <jackmacokc> which log should i look at?
[06:08] <Pluk> .. /var/log/kern.log and dmesg prolly
[06:11] <da_bon_bon> how do i get amr working in xine / mplayer ?
[06:13] <jackmacokc> pluk, taken from log http://www.pastebin.com/230238
[06:13] <trey3> Ahh... all of Ubuntu's GNOME mods are going into mainstream?
[06:14] <Pluk> can you paste the whole log in there
[06:15] <jackmacokc> if it will let me..hold on
[06:15] <Pluk> eeu i mean just 1 whole boot log
[06:15] <Neo_654> Hello.  I just updated my Kernel to k7 and now I have a calendar on my desktop.  Can anyone tell me how to get rid if it?
[06:15] <bj_> HrdwrBoB, she locked hard oh well. too tired for this now
[06:15] <HrdwrBoB> bj_: hehe oops
[06:15] <trey3> Neo_654, right click isn't enlightening?
[06:16] <bj_> HrdwrBoB,  I will beat it. just not now lol
[06:16] <Neo_654> trey3, No it isn't.
[06:16] <trey3> bj_, too much info  ;P
[06:16] <bj_> haHAI was thinking that! ewwww
[06:16] <trey3> Neo_654, you mean popping out of the date applet?
[06:16] <trey3> Neo_654, click the date applet
[06:17] <Neo_654> trey3: I can click it and make it active but I can't right click and get any options
[06:18] <trey3> Neo_654, Is it below the clock applet, yes or no?
[06:18] <jackmacokc> plak, http://www.pastebin.com/230242
[06:18] <Neo_654> Yes
[06:18] <trey3> Neo_654, click the date.
[06:18] <tritium> Nothing like free wifi in the San Jose Convention Center :)
[06:18] <Neo_654> LMAO  Dang I thought I did that once.
[06:18] <trey3> Neo_654, the part thats on the panel.
[06:18] <Neo_654> Thank you it was making a little upset.
[06:21] <tritium> I keep getting badsig on Marillat's repository when I apt-get update.
[06:23] <__learner__> hi everyone. I want to install nvidia drivers but I having trouble. Can anyone help me with that?
[06:24] <jackmacokc> plak, did you notice that it didnt do anything with the serial ata until after libata was loaded? i wonder if that might be the culprit
[06:25] <zenrox> __learner__,  look in www.ubuntuquide.org and follow the instructions
[06:26] <Pluk> jackmacokc, http://www.pastebin.com/230247 here you can see i get sda sda1 sda2 etc after my drive gets detected
[06:26] <Pluk> difference is that i have my sata driver compiled in the kernel instead as a module
[06:27] <jackmacokc> ah
[06:27] <F4Rid> hi im trying to install ubuntu on a 333mhz amd and the installation is stuck on the "configuring the network with dhcp" it has been on that window for about 15mins now
[06:27] <jackmacokc> yes, we were considering that earlier today...figured we might have to do a recompile
[06:27] <Pluk> great learning process :D
[06:27] <jackmacokc> i've never done anything like that before though, so hopefully i can figure it out
[06:28] <__learner__> zenrox:  I did that, but the driver is getting a very bad performance
[06:29] <jackmacokc> any pointers or good resources for doing that?
[06:29] <__learner__> Doom II Demo is running very very badly
[06:29] <Pluk> if you do its easiest not to use initrd and make sure you have your sata and ata drivers and drivers for the filesystems compiled in the kernel
[06:29] <zenrox> __learner__,  thats all i know
[06:29] <__learner__> Any one installed the drivers from nvidia site?
[06:29] <F4Rid> could it be that the network card i havein there isn't supported? i have a netgear fs310tx in there which i have read is supported by some linux flavors
[06:29] <zenrox> do you have dri and glx enabled in your xserv conf file
[06:29] <jackmacokc> yes, we were considering initrd, but figured it was just easier to go ahead and do a recompile..you agree?
[06:29] <Pluk> i agree
[06:30] <Pluk> i compile my kernels all the time :) just because of my sata drive (boot drive)
[06:30] <jackmacokc> ok, i'll tell zerokarmaleft..he'll help me get it recompiled..i'm still a noob obviously
[06:30] <jackmacokc> but thanks for your help pluk, much appreciated
[06:30] <Pluk> your welcome good luck!
[06:31] <jackmacokc> thanks, i'll probably need it :) i'm outta here
[06:31] <trey3> I don't know... perhaps its a bad habit... but I'm sure I'm not the only one that does it...
[06:31] <icerogue> is there any way to set my system with a static ip with out using ifconfig?
[06:31] <__learner__> let me check tose
[06:32] <__learner__> yes they are enabled, and so many others too.
[06:32] <trey3> icerogue, not sure in warty... in hoary... there is a networking configuration tool...
[06:32] <icerogue> part of gnome?
[06:32] <__learner__> also RenderAccel and NvAGP are enabled
[06:32] <icerogue> i am using fluxbox
[06:32] <trey3> icerogue, if its there... it will be in Computer > System Configuration ...
[06:33] <__learner__> but I still get bad performance.
[06:33] <trey3> icerogue, yes... gnome-system-tools...
[06:33] <trey3> icerogue, eh
[06:33] <trey3> icerogue, see... thats your fault...
[06:33] <icerogue> trey3: its a server so i need to save space and cycles
[06:34] <trey3> icerogue, you don't know about /etc/network/interfaces but are running a server?
[06:34] <__learner__> driver is nvidia, shouldn't it be nv?
[06:34] <trey3> __learner__, the FOSS driver for it is, yes
[06:34] <HrdwrBoB> trey3: hooray
[06:34] <trey3> HrdwrBoB, ?
[06:34] <HrdwrBoB> n/m
[06:35] <__learner__> What is FOSS?
[06:35] <trey3> HrdwrBoB, k..  :)
[06:35] <trey3> __learner__, Free and Open Source Software
[06:35] <__learner__> sorry
[06:35] <trey3> __learner__, basically... not the official driver...
[06:35] <__learner__> if Ienable that I will gain any performane?
[06:35] <__learner__> if Ienable that I will gain any performance?
[06:35] <icerogue> trey3: yeah i know i should learn more but i have forgotten alot in 3 years
[06:35] <trey3> __learner__, if you use nvidia's drivers, you will... yes
[06:36] <__learner__> so the official driver is "nv", and the open source altenative is "nvidia"?
[06:36] <gabaug> kkk
[06:36] <trey3> __learner__, other way around
[06:37] <trey3> __learner__, you have to install the nvidia driver though... its not there by default...
[06:37] <akurashy> is there a audio driver ? im using a msi nforce 2 nvidia :(
[06:37] <trey3> gabaug, yeah... don't do that again...
[06:37] <akurashy> and i cant heard a thing
[06:37] <__learner__> how can I do that?
[06:38] <trey3> __learner__, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:39] <__learner__> other question, how can I set the default kernell to be loaded on GRUB?
[06:39] <__learner__> I installed a k7 kernell and wnat to use it as default.
[06:40] <trey3> __learner__, via '/boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:40] <trey3> __learner__, however... new kernels are used by default anyways...
[06:41] <__learner__> are you sure "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx" will install the same drivers from nvidia site.
[06:41] <__learner__> ?
[06:41] <trey3> __learner__, yes
[06:41] <zenrox> yep
[06:41] <__learner__> then why I'm having so bad performance.
[06:42] <trey3> __learner__, did you do what it says?
[06:42] <__learner__> yes
[06:42] <trey3> __learner__, and X is now set to use 'nvidia'?
[06:42] <__learner__> Yes I did
[06:42] <__learner__> yes
[06:42] <__learner__> nvidia
[06:42] <trey3> __learner__, and you restarted X?
[06:42] <__learner__> yes
[06:42] <trey3> __learner__, no idea then
[06:42] <__learner__> alt+control+backspace isn't it?
[06:42] <trey3> __learner__, yup
[06:43] <zenrox> isint spost to use nv for a driver in x.conf file
[06:43] <__learner__> yes I did it.
[06:43] <Ribs> __learner__, dri needs to be commented out from your config
[06:43] <trey3> zenrox, no... nv is the xorg free driver...
[06:43] <zenrox> oh
[06:43] <zenrox> did not know that
[06:43] <zenrox> i lernt some thing heheheheh
[06:44] <zenrox> hehehehe
[06:44] <__learner__> so I need to remove dri
[06:44] <__learner__> ?
[06:45] <trey3> __learner__, yup
[06:45] <__learner__> lol!
[06:45] <__learner__> tx a lot Il try
[06:45] <trey3> __learner__, nvidia does opengl on card...
[06:45] <__learner__> I'll try
[06:45] <randabis> yeah nvidia doesn't use dri
[06:45] <__learner__> understood
[06:45] <__learner__> what is DRI?  some kind of software opengl renderer?
[06:45] <zenrox> direct rendering interface
[06:45] <trey3> __learner__, thats as much as you need to know... yes  :)
[06:46] <__learner__> I just need to put a # on the start of the "Load   dri" line.
[06:46] <__learner__> what is DRI? now I curious.
[06:46] <trey3> __learner__, yes... near the top and bottem
[06:46] <trey3> __learner__, see what me and zenrox just said...
[06:46] <zenrox> dri is for 3d excell on card that support dri
[06:47] <trey3> www.dri.org if you want to know more
[06:47] <__learner__> understoof, so DRI is another api?
[06:47] <zenrox> specaly on built in vid cards like mine i845g/gl
[06:47] <martok> Hey guys.
[06:47] <__learner__> understood
[06:47] <zenrox> hi marcus|
[06:47] <__learner__> heym that link is not the same dri we are talking about.
[06:47] <zenrox> martok,
[06:48] <randabis> I like how much easier warty and hoary have made installing nvidia drivers though. I don't see why you needed to get them from nvidia directly
[06:48] <Grev> I want to install totem-xine, but that will remove Ubuntu Desktop, how bad is that?
[06:48] <Ribs> Grev, it's a meta-package
[06:48] <randabis> it's just a meta-package Grev, no harm done
[06:48] <zenrox> Grev, get gxine insted
[06:48] <randabis> yeah I like gxine better personally
[06:48] <zenrox> me too
[06:49] <__learner__> gxine works good here. totem does not
[06:49] <__learner__> I don't understand why, since they are just GUI's for xine.
[06:49] <zenrox> gxine works better the mplayer mho
[06:49] <randabis> yeah
[06:50] <zenrox> but i do have bolth installed just in case one wont play some thing
[06:51] <randabis> if they use the same codecs then why would one play a file and the other not play it?
[06:51] <zenrox> user error
[06:51] <zenrox> ??
[06:51] <zenrox> hehehe
[06:51] <randabis> :p
[06:51] <yoko_> I need some help here
[06:52] <zenrox> also some of the codeechs work better in one than thay do in the other
[06:52] <yoko_> I installed fluxbox and checked metacity
[06:52] <zenrox> was up yoko_
[06:52] <Grev> thanks for the info
[06:52] <yoko_> now I cannot click on anything
[06:52] <zenrox> hmm fluxbox users decend on yoko_
[06:52] <yoko_> when I minimize everything goes to the bottom right corner but there isn't a way for me to maximize
[06:52] <Grev> I'm quickly becoming a Ubuntu convert from Fedora
[06:52] <zenrox> Grev,  i cam from mdk 10.0
[06:53] <zenrox> ubuntu is far sepior to any thang out thare
[06:53] <randabis> I came from gentoo
[06:53] <zenrox> eww all that time wasted on compiling stuff
[06:53] <Grev> randabis: I like Gentoo, but got sick of compiling:)
[06:53] <randabis> but I've used other distros as well
[06:54] <randabis> heh EXACTLY
[06:54] <yoko_> so, no one can help newb me, huh?
[06:54] <martok> Yeah, I was going to install Gentoo but I didn't feel like compiling it.
[06:54] <__learner__> I'll restart.
[06:54] <zenrox> it took me 2 weeks to get it the way i liked it
[06:54] <__learner__> Will be back soon.
[06:54] <martok> Ubuntu rules.
[06:54] <zenrox> yep
[06:54] <randabis> hoary rules :p
[06:55] <martok> ?
[06:55] <yoko_> ...
[06:55] <randabis> sorry yoko, I'd help you out if I could
[06:55] <Grev> randabis: Hoary will rule in 2-3 monthes:)
[06:55] <zenrox> hoary rules is your willing to deal with the probs it causes at time
[06:55] <zenrox> is = if
[06:55] <Ribs> martok, Hoary is Ubuntu's unstable branch :)
[06:55] <icerogue> yeah i was originally going to use slack for my sever but i decided i like apt-get too much
[06:55] <martok> Oh.
[06:55] <martok> I've never had a serious problem with Ubuntu.
[06:55] <icerogue> the onlything better in my opinion is maybe gentoo
[06:56] <martok> The only problem I've had with Ubuntu was getting the Live CD to boot on my laptop.
[06:56] <Ribs> it's the kind of thing that people switch to, then come in here and complain that their system is broken
[06:56] <zenrox> icerogue,  ubuntu infected 2 boxes on my network soon 1 more to add to the list
[06:56] <zenrox> the ubuntu virus infected my network
[06:56] <icerogue> custom install is great
[06:56] <martok> Did you notice Ubuntu is gaining rank on distrowatch.org?
[06:56] <zenrox> yep
[06:56] <randabis> lawl
[06:56] <zenrox> martok,  yep
[06:56] <Grev> yup
[06:56] <martok> I hope it beats Mandrake, haha.
[06:57] <randabis> doubt it will, mandrake has too many fanboys
[06:57] <zenrox> it will
[06:57] <martok> LOL, Mandrake fan boys.
[06:57] <zenrox> mdk has a fourm for ubuntu
[06:57] <Grev> my laptop: Ubuntu Warty + Hoary Kernel (2.6.10) + Backports
[06:58] <martok> Anybody still use normal Debian?
[06:58] <zenrox> ubuntu is debian
[06:58] <randabis> debian's too outdated for me :p
[06:58] <randabis> meaning official debian
[06:58] <stuNNed> martok, lol :)
[06:58] <Xenguy> martok: yes
[06:58] <martok> Yeah I know. I mean official Debian.
[06:58] <martok> Ha.
[06:59] <martok> Yeah it does seem outdated.
[06:59] <Xenguy> zenrox: and debian != ubuntu (with all due respect :-)
[06:59] <martok> Compared to Ubuntu and stuff.
[06:59] <martok> That's not equal right?
[06:59] <zenrox> Xenguy,  just that ubuntu is newer stuff
[06:59] <stuNNed> is there ubuntebian?
[06:59] <Xenguy> martok: I run sid on my old desktop
[07:00] <martok> Cool.
[07:00] <stuNNed> or debuntu?
[07:00] <martok> Hey, would Ubuntu make a good web/ftp/mail server?
[07:00] <Tomcat_> Sure martok.
[07:00] <Xenguy> zenrox: definitely - but if one runs 'sid/unstable' on debian (without breaking stuff - knock on wood), then one gets the latest/greatest also
[07:00] <Grev> martok: as any linux distro
[07:00] <duckwaltz> hello, I'm having a problem with my installation and could use some assistance
[07:01] <duckwaltz> any help is appreciated, at your leisure
[07:01] <zenrox> Xenguy,  true enuf
[07:01] <Tomcat_> duckwaltz: Just ask your questions right away.
[07:01] <duckwaltz> nod
[07:01] <icerogue> martok: i am setting that up right now
[07:01] <zenrox> Xenguy,  but hows brave enuf
[07:01] <zenrox> hows= whos
[07:01] <martok> Wow, cool.
[07:02] <icerogue> martok: its fine, just install using custom config if you have low resorces
[07:02] <martok> I've been using FreeBSD for awhile but I wanna try out Ubuntu as a server.
[07:02] <duckwaltz> I get to 8% of installing base system. "Retreiving bsdutils" then the installer reports that "The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1)."
[07:02] <duckwaltz> I can get no further than that
[07:02] <Guardiann> tada sound is working :)
[07:02] <duckwaltz> I'm curious what the problem is and how I go about correcting it
[07:02] <martok> Cool, thanks for the advice icerogue.
[07:02] <Xenguy> zenrox: me :-)  Once you know what yer doing, it's not so hard -- having said that, I am very impressed with Ubuntu, and will continue to follow it closely
[07:04] <zenrox> Xenguy,  i ant new to the linux block (rh 7.0-7.2 mdk 9.0-10.1 gentoo(once) suse 9.2(something like that) and finaly ubuntu warty and hoary(this one is my fav))
[07:04] <zenrox> i agree
[07:04] <zenrox> none of the stuff i have tried dont come as close
[07:05] <aardvark> ?
[07:05] <duckwaltz> "/var/log/messages says "Read error: Input/output error"
[07:05] <zenrox> duckwaltz,  test your cd and see if its good
[07:05] <duckwaltz> how do I do a CD test?
[07:05] <duckwaltz> I've tried two different installation medias
[07:06] <zenrox> hmm how fast are you burning it
[07:06] <zenrox> ??
[07:06] <Xenguy> zenrox: a few years ago I got started with RedHat, and later switched to Debian... Ubuntu is the only thing that has made me turn my head to anything else (of course the fact it is based on Debian helps too :-)
[07:06] <duckwaltz> I ordered the CD
[07:06] <zenrox> Xenguy,  ya
[07:06] <duckwaltz> checking the integrity now
[07:06] <zenrox> duckwaltz,  some times the cd thay ship are broke
[07:06] <randabis> I think my first distro was mandrake 8.1...really can't remember
[07:06] <setite> debian rocks
[07:06] <zenrox> i orded 4 of them and all 4 were bad in a diferent spot
[07:07] <setite> ubuntu rocks harder
[07:07] <duckwaltz> zenrox: that is sad to hear
[07:07] <Xenguy> zenrox: that sucks - mine were all good AFAIK
[07:07] <duckwaltz> I ordered ten and handed them out to friends
[07:07] <aardvark> ?
[07:07] <Xenguy> duckwaltz: me too :-)
[07:08] <zenrox> it happeds specaly since i am the usa and being shiped for switerland dint expect them to work
[07:08] <duckwaltz> Xenguy: but mine may be broken now... two already have failed the integrity check
[07:08] <zenrox> my nxt order when hoary comes out will be for 50 cds
[07:08] <Xenguy> duckwaltz: wow really
[07:08] <xskoulax> hi all
[07:08] <setite> i ordered mine like 2 months ago
[07:08] <setite> havent came yet
[07:09] <setite> hell yea... when hoary comes out im making a big order too
[07:09] <setite> ive been handing them out at work
[07:09] <zenrox> me too i got a few friends that be wanting t try it
[07:09] <xskoulax> anyone have anyidea how well the ppc version of ubuntu works, thinking the mac mini here
[07:10] <duckwaltz> I'll just have to download it for my personal use, hopefully when I order hoary the CDs will be good
[07:10] <setite> if anyone knows an officemax employee or some other store get them to let you put them there
[07:10] <setite> they have free aohell cds.... why not ubuntu
[07:10] <zenrox> duckwaltz,  you cant order hoary yet
[07:11] <duckwaltz> I meant when I do as in when I can
[07:11] <zenrox> lol
[07:11] <setite> duck.,... i understood you
[07:11] <duckwaltz> sorry for the confusion :P
[07:11] <zenrox> i am easly confused
[07:11] <zenrox> my bad
[07:11] <zenrox> lol
[07:11] <setite> ok
[07:11] <kotau> Camstream wants a threaded version of QT, which I have installed.  The problem is I need to set the QTPATH in a config file.  A search for qt gives me lots of files in; /var/lib/dpkg/info, /usr/lib, /usr/share, and /usr/share/doc.  I need help with the linux file structure, so which should the path's target be?
[07:12] <setite> shit man we oughtta donate money so they can run a nytimes ad... like firefox did
[07:12] <zenrox> ya
[07:12] <zenrox> really
[07:12] <setite> what really helps.. like here in Vegas... there is some guy who writes columns
[07:13] <setite> he got alot of people to try firefox
[07:13] <setite> people who arent smart enough to find it on their own
[07:13] <xskoulax> setite, thats a damn good idea actually
[07:13] <zenrox> contact him setite
[07:13] <kotau> setite those are the people who have to read that column
[07:13] <HrdwrBoB> kotau: apt-get install camstream
[07:13] <HrdwrBoB> camstream
[07:13] <HrdwrBoB> that is what I did
[07:13] <setite> yea it is
[07:14] <setite> i mean i think  ubuntu is strong enough
[07:14] <setite> what will hoary be
[07:14] <setite> better hardware support or what?
[07:14] <zenrox> setite,  even warty is pretty close out of the box
[07:14] <xskoulax> more uptodate better hdware support
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> setite: better all round
[07:14] <setite> yea it is...
[07:14] <setite> thanks... yea i was just not sure what the goal was
[07:15] <setite> well as good as warty is... hoary, assuming they dont inadvertently break things, will be public ready
[07:15] <setite> see the key difference, imo, is media support...
[07:15] <zenrox> yep
[07:15] <setite> as a noob with fedora i fought to get mp3 support
[07:15] <zenrox> this makes it some what easer that froshure
[07:16] <Lowry> any ppc users with isight?
[07:16] <xskoulax> yea media support is that one area that needs improving in the linux world
[07:16] <kotau> hrdwrbob; E: Couldn't find package camstream
[07:16] <setite> yup
[07:16] <setite> and not so much the actual support... but the out of box support
[07:16] <HrdwrBoB> kotau: do you have universe and multiverse
[07:16] <Lowry> working or any way to get support?
[07:16] <Lowry> for isight video?
[07:16] <kotau> hrdwrbob; I have universe enabled in synaptic
[07:16] <setite> kowtow
[07:16] <xskoulax> Lowry, not a ppc user but sounds like you are.  Any idea how the new mac mini would work with ubuntu?
[07:16] <kotau> aside from that I havent really used cli for package mgmnt.
[07:17] <setite> cli?
[07:17] <Lowry> I have a g3 powerbook with 128 mb of ram
[07:17] <kotau> command line interface, setite
[07:17] <sangriag> I am quite confused whether the iso image for amd64 contains similar packages as in i386 image of ubuntu?
[07:17] <Lowry> ubuntu is the best os ever to run on it
[07:17] <zenrox> cli- comand line interface
[07:17] <setite> do they still not have a mac os to utilize the new hardware?
[07:17] <duckwaltz> so apparently all of my CDs I ordered are bunkum
[07:17] <setite> bunkum/
[07:17] <zenrox> sangriag, yes similer to i386
[07:17] <setite> ?*
[07:17] <duckwaltz> bunk
[07:17] <Lowry> I also have a power mac g4 with an ati 8500 (like the 9200)
[07:18] <duckwaltz> botched
[07:18] <duckwaltz> crap
[07:18] <Lowry> and os x runs well.
[07:18] <setite> bunk eh
[07:18] <duckwaltz> broken
[07:18] <duckwaltz> foobar
[07:18] <setite> botched i understand
[07:18] <zenrox> duckwaltz,  d/l the iso and burn it at 4x
[07:18] <zenrox> no faster
[07:18] <Lowry> so g4 + good 9200 with 32 mb ram and ppc ubuntu should be great
[07:18] <duckwaltz> Downloading as we speak, good sir :P
[07:18] <icerogue> what is a good anti virus for linux?
[07:18] <xskoulax> my dad has g4 powerbook with 1.25gb osx is well MMMMMMMM
[07:18] <Lowry> if dri is working out of the cd
[07:18] <zenrox> it will be broke if you burn the iso faster than 4x
[07:19] <xskoulax> nice i might have to look at a mac mini at some point
[07:19] <Lowry> ppc linux is always good on older macs
[07:19] <duckwaltz> thanks for the help, fellows
[07:19] <zenrox> n/p duckwaltz
[07:19] <Lowry> no hd swapping all the time
[07:19] <xslou1ax> shit
[07:20] <Lowry> Ask - mb you cn install ubuntu on a shop Mac
[07:20] <Lowry> and they wipe it lateer
[07:20] <xskou1ax> mb you cn? dont be so lazy Lowry
[07:20] <xskoulax> i'm thinking of getting that 20" iMac G5 but i would use osx mostly on that. but that mac mini would make a nice linux box i was thinking
[07:21] <Lowry> you can have both on the same hd
[07:21] <Lowry> os x and ubuntu
[07:21] <xskou1ax> i miss that little space in time prior to windows xp where every shop had at least one linux PC
[07:21] <Lowry> as mac have open firmware
[07:21] <esac> where do i get aclocal from ?
[07:22] <Scooter> Liquor store
[07:22] <xskou1ax> os x pfft
[07:22] <xskoulax> yea i know you can dual boot no problems on mac
[07:22] <martok> I think Wallmart still carries Mandrake preinstalled PCs.
[07:22] <xskou1ax> isnt that linux based anyway?
[07:22] <xskoulax> bsd based
[07:22] <xskou1ax> yea walmart has some shitty pc with linux on it
[07:22] <xskou1ax> its linspire though
[07:22] <martok> LOL
[07:22] <Lowry> and Apple gives back to the oos community
[07:22] <xskou1ax> and its a VIA cpu
[07:22] <xskoulax> darwin is free
[07:22] <xskoulax> just not aqua
[07:22] <raghu> i have ubuntu...printer gets paused now and then why....any idea?....i am running cups in local machine
[07:23] <xskou1ax> so thats not a really good linux machine for the masses
[07:23] <xskou1ax> they need to stick and athlon xp in it
[07:23] <xskou1ax> darwin is free?
[07:23] <xskoulax> my dad got my younger brother an ibook for xmas and having used that and my dads powerbook i like it
[07:23] <xskou1ax> what is darwin
[07:23] <martok> WTF uses VIA CPU's?
[07:23] <Scooter> what is the fun in buying a PC with linux already on it, I mean really where is the sport?!?!
[07:23] <Amaranth> Linux is seen as cheap.
[07:23] <xskou1ax> martok the walmart linux laptop
[07:23] <xskoulax> xskou1ax, darwin is the core of osx
[07:24] <Amaranth> Computers that come loaded with Linux are slow, shitty, and cheap.
[07:24] <Scooter> how much does the laptop cost?
[07:24] <martok> I think I used to see Linux as cheap when I didn't understand it.
[07:24] <xskou1ax> at the 400 or soemthign odd dollar pricepoint they could afford to put an amd cpu in it... but walmart is stupid and wants to make money
[07:24] <xskoulax> with out the nice apple wrapper on it
[07:24] <xskoulax> without
[07:24] <xskoulax> even ;p
[07:24] <xskou1ax> linux is cheap
[07:24] <xskou1ax> monetarily speaking
[07:24] <Scooter> yea, i build my own linux laptop
[07:25] <martok> Yeah, but that's not the type of cheap me and Amaranth meant I think.
[07:25] <xskou1ax> you cant build your own laptop
[07:25] <xskou1ax> well you can try but there is nowhere i know of to buy a laptop shell
[07:25] <xskou1ax> i imagine that may be the only reason it is so crappy
[07:25] <martok> I'd rather just build a suitcase PC myself.
[07:25] <xskou1ax> but a desktop could be made real cheap
[07:25] <xskoulax> xskou1ax, i think you can get shells even but it would cost more to do it that way than to just by a laptop
[07:25] <xskou1ax> and internet pc as they have been making
[07:26] <Amaranth> HP sells a laptop with Linux installed, otherwise you have to pay the Windows tax on every laptop except Apple ones
[07:26] <Scooter> yea, I saw slashdot PC for under 100 or 200$$
[07:26] <xskou1ax> but the time before windows xp that i think of was awesome because they had top of the line pcs loaded with mandrake linux
[07:26] <Lowry> http://www.apple.com/opensource/'
[07:26] <Tridion> asus sells barebones laptops
[07:26] <Neo_654> WallMart sells Linux Laptops too.  Don't remember the name.
[07:26] <xskou1ax> it was when windows was sucking so bad that linux was actually seeing interest in local shops
[07:26] <martok> Is Penguin Computing still around?
[07:27] <xskou1ax> who said that
[07:27] <xskou1ax> about walmart laptops
[07:27] <sangriag> I am lost: could anyone familiar with the contents of the amd64 iso image of the ubuntu? Is that same as that of i386 liveCD?
[07:27] <Neo_654> I did.
[07:27] <xskou1ax> neo 654 or something
[07:27] <Neo_654> LOL
[07:27] <Neo_654> Let me find the link.
[07:27] <xskou1ax> you crazy... thats what we've been talking abotu for like 10 minutes
[07:27] <xskou1ax> we know
[07:27] <xskou1ax> tridion
[07:27] <PovRayMan> ubuntu installer fails during the install :(
[07:28] <xskou1ax> asus sells barebone laptops?
[07:28] <Tridion>  ya
[07:28] <xskou1ax> intel or amd
[07:28] <Tridion> intel
[07:28] <Lowry> did the cd burn ok?
[07:28] <Tridion> centrino
[07:28] <Amaranth> sangriag: only x86 has a live cd, the others only have installers
[07:28] <xskou1ax> thats intel
[07:28] <xskou1ax> ok nvm
[07:28] <xskou1ax> i was happy for about two seconds
[07:28] <xskou1ax> i dont like intel though
[07:28] <PovRayMan> can i use the ubunutu live cd to do a proper install rather than use the install cd?
[07:28] <Neo_654> http://media.linspire.com/walmart/
[07:28] <Tridion> barebones as in you add everything, proc, mem, hdd
[07:28] <xskou1ax> neo
[07:28] <Tridion> but the pentium m is a good proc unlike the p4
[07:28] <martok> There are only 2 Ubuntu distro CD's right? The install CD and a package CD?
[07:29] <xskou1ax> thats what we've been talking abotu for like 10 minutes
[07:29] <Tridion> tho i do prefer the athlon xp/64
[07:29] <xskou1ax> we know abotu them
[07:29] <Tridion> k
[07:29] <martok> I read somewhere that there are 3 CDs.
[07:29] <Tridion> sorry just got here
[07:29] <Amaranth> martok: I thought there was only one.
[07:29] <martok> Besides the Live CD.
[07:29] <xskou1ax> tridion not you
[07:29] <xskou1ax> i didnt know about those
[07:29] <xskou1ax> im talkign to neo abotu the walmart laptop
[07:29] <martok> Amaranth: No, I downloaded 2 CDs.
[07:29] <xskou1ax> the asus is news to me
[07:29] <martok> I think?
[07:30] <xskou1ax> livecd sucks
[07:30] <kandinski> hey, paul whalen here?
[07:30] <Neo_654> Sorry I just got in here when I read that.
[07:30] <xskou1ax> no problem neo
[07:30] <xskou1ax> the livecd didnt work for me
[07:30] <xskou1ax> im on windows atm because i cant get the cellphone programs to work on linux
[07:30] <martok> Oops, my mistake.
[07:30] <martok> I only downloaded one.
[07:30] <Amaranth> The Pentium M is a kick ass processor. 23 watts instead of the > 100 of the p4 and amd64 and it's almost as fast
[07:30] <Lowry> the M is for marketing
[07:31] <kotau> hooray it was in /usr/lib
[07:31] <Amaranth> Lowry: Mobile....
[07:31] <Tridion> Amaranth: i don't think the amd64 is in the same heat class as p4
[07:31] <PovRayMan> Detecting Hardware to find CD-Rom drives .. once it hits 100% it locks up and goes kernel panic, what gives?
[07:31] <PovRayMan> when i alt-f4 it tells me user.notice cdrom-detect: searching for ubuntu installation on meida...
[07:32] <PovRayMan> pause 30 seconds.. bunch of junk on the screen.. kernel panic
[07:32] <Neo_654> Heck I just had a bag full of Ubuntu CD's show up in my mail box and got bored saturday evening.  That is how I ended up with this new joy.
[07:32] <Neo_654> Opps wrong convo.
[07:32] <xskou1ax> http://www.howardstern.com/04/01/14/11b.jpg
[07:32] <PovRayMan> the live cd works great, but the installer is dead
[07:32] <PovRayMan> i can only run the live cd when i run "nodma" with it
[07:32] <PovRayMan> could this be why the installer is failing?
[07:33] <esac> where do i get aclocal from ?
[07:33] <PovRayMan> I tried to run the installer with a nodma command but it doesn't seem tow ork
[07:33] <xskou1ax> livecd sucks
[07:33] <PovRayMan> Thanks
[07:33] <martok> I thought the Live CD was cool.
[07:33] <martok> I tried it before I installed it.
[07:33] <PovRayMan> same here
[07:33] <xskou1ax> i tried it... i was stuck in 800x600 the whole time
[07:33] <martok> I just couldn't get it to boot on my laptop.
[07:33] <PovRayMan> now i'm bummed that i can't install it
[07:33] <xskoulax> xskou1ax, that livecd stopped windows killing over 10gb of data here
[07:33] <Neo_654> xslou1ax, a warning next time for something that ugly would be nice.
[07:33] <PovRayMan> which is why i'd like some help.
[07:33] <xskou1ax> the ubuntu installer didnt have that problem... just the fake livecd
[07:33] <martok> lol
[07:34] <xskou1ax> the ubuntu livecd doesnt have a install option i though
[07:34] <xskou1ax> t
[07:34] <martok> I read they're fixing it.
[07:34] <xskou1ax> its not real
[07:34] <sangriag> Amaranth: I know but what about the packages? Are they same in the amd64 installer image as in the LiveCD?
[07:34] <xskou1ax> its some other distro with an ubuntu look isnt it
[07:34] <xskou1ax> i forgot the distro
[07:34] <mebaran> Anybody know if the gnome-applet panel is fixed yet
[07:34] <martok> Damn
[07:34] <crimsun> mebaran: for what?
[07:34] <xskou1ax> mebaran its broken?
[07:34] <martok> What's the point in calling it Ubuntu then?!
[07:34] <crimsun> mebaran: it's not broken at all on i386
[07:34] <xskou1ax> martok i dunno
[07:34] <crimsun> mebaran: are you on amd64?
[07:34] <martok> Heh, strange.
[07:35] <xskou1ax> when you run the livecd you'll see the name of the other distro
[07:35] <mebaran> crimsun: yeah
[07:35] <crimsun> mebaran: not yet.
[07:35] <xskou1ax> i cant, for the life of me, recall teh name though
[07:35] <mebaran> I love my 64 bits to death!
[07:35] <xskou1ax> my 64bit rig is not working
[07:35] <mebaran> crimsun: is evolution fixed yet
[07:35] <xskou1ax> its taking me alot of friggin money too
[07:35] <Tridion> does anybody know if the new ati-drivers are available for Hoary?  i might upgrade to Hoary if they are.
[07:35] <mebaran> my evolution contacts is really weird
[07:35] <crimsun> mebaran: all these are fine on i386, and I don't have amd64.
[07:36] <sangriag> mebaran: if you are onto the 64-bit could you give me a hint how to proceed?
[07:36] <crimsun> Tridion: yes, they are.
[07:36] <mebaran> I can even purge the config files
[07:36] <mebaran> it wont let me a change a thing
[07:36] <mebaran> or remove any contact books
[07:36] <xskou1ax> anyone have gay sex in here
[07:36] <mebaran> and it wont import vcards
[07:36] <mebaran> xskou1ax: I only sell gay sex
[07:36] <xskou1ax> haha just checking... thought id ask the most random question out there
[07:36] <Tridion> crimsim: If I upgraded to Hoary, would they be installed by default?  I think they fix what they broke with Xorg
[07:37] <xskou1ax> mebaran... ::buzzer:: wrong answer
[07:37] <Tridion> crimsun: whoops, spelled ya wrong there
[07:37] <xskou1ax> whats a vcard
[07:37] <xskou1ax> i think bitpim has some vcard feature on it
[07:37] <xskou1ax> should i upgrade to hoary
[07:37] <xskou1ax> what will that break
[07:37] <Tridion> xskoulax: your legs :)
[07:38] <crimsun> Tridion: they should, yes, but I can't test myself.
[07:38] <xskou1ax> im not xskoulax
[07:38] <mebaran> xskou1ax: your head
[07:38] <xskou1ax> im xskou1ax
[07:38] <mebaran> xskou1ax: a vcard is format that allows me to transfer contacts
[07:38] <crimsun> dastardly 'l' and '1'
[07:38] <mebaran> app to app
[07:38] <xskou1ax> mebaran what app?
[07:38] <Tridion> crimsun: thx anyways, i firgured they would
[07:38] <xskou1ax> can you get bitpim to work?
[07:38] <mebaran> evolution to kontact
[07:39] <Omoshiroi> hello
[07:39] <xskou1ax> anyone with a cellphone here
[07:39] <mebaran> damn
[07:39] <Tridion> crimsun: thx, i still couldn't tell the diff untill you pointed it out
[07:39] <mebaran> who fixes the AMD stuff
[07:39] <Omoshiroi> Does anyone know what the root password is for a default Ubuntu install?
[07:39] <xskoulax> yea he took my L and replaced it with a one sneaky little so and so
[07:39] <mebaran> we never get it on TIME!
[07:39] <xskou1ax> the default is your user password
[07:39] <Omoshiroi> ok thanks.
[07:39] <xskou1ax> oh nvm
[07:39] <Destructo> hello all. what version should i dload ?
[07:39] <xskou1ax> the root itself i dunno
[07:40] <crimsun> Destructo: warty.
[07:40] <xskou1ax> sudo is the same as your main account
[07:40] <xskou1ax> but i cant get to my damn root
[07:40] <martok> Why's Ubuntu kinda like Fedora Core in that it they wanted it to be a purely open source OS?
[07:40] <Omoshiroi> confused me as every other linux distribution I have ever used set it on install.
[07:40] <xskou1ax> UBUNTU IS NOT LIKE FEDORA!!!!!!!!
[07:40] <crimsun> martok: ...that extends way past FC.
[07:40] <xskou1ax> BLASPHEMER!!!
[07:40] <xskou1ax> TO THE GALLOWS!!!
[07:40] <xskou1ax> ok
[07:40] <martok> LOL
[07:41] <Destructo> crimsun thats the latest right ...? or should i wait for the next release. this is for my od lady,im hapy with my slackware and fluxbox  .. but this looks neat
[07:41] <mebaran> ubuntu is like fedora like the French Revolution was to the Russian Revolution
[07:41] <mebaran> in both people died
[07:41] <crimsun> Destructo: by all means, try the stable release, Warty.
[07:41] <mebaran> just in different ways
[07:41] <martok> I meant in the way that it's like a pure open source OS. I can't even play Mp3s with Ubuntu out of the box.
[07:41] <xskou1ax> ya the french died worse....
[07:41] <martok> Just like with Fedora Core.
[07:41] <martok> What's up with this new pure open source thing going in in distros?
[07:41] <crimsun> martok: that's due to potential IP issues.
[07:41] <mebaran> you can make mp3s play anyway
[07:41] <Omoshiroi> so does anyone know what the root password is for the warty install?
[07:42] <mebaran> like one step
[07:42] <mebaran> mplayer is too
[07:42] <xskou1ax> fedora is french for First Ever Distro to Only Reek like Ass
[07:42] <martok> lol...
[07:42] <crimsun> Omoshiroi: there is none until you set one. See the sudo pages on the wiki.
[07:42] <mebaran> just add and you go away
[07:42] <sangriag> mebaran: could you tell me how it went with your amd64 installation?
[07:42] <Destructo> i still dont get why peple install fedora ..
[07:42] <martok> I wanted to check it out.
[07:42] <xskou1ax> pure open source is nice
[07:42] <Destructo> i know. im messing with you
[07:42] <xskou1ax> but i think fedora goes too far
[07:43] <martok> Oh, ok.
[07:43] <martok> Heh.
[07:43] <xskou1ax> example... uninclusion of ntfs supportt
[07:43] <MM2> darn! Ubuntu loses samba installation!!!
[07:43] <martok> Yeah, I couldn't find enough oggs.
[07:43] <Destructo> crimsun hey is there a date for the next release ..?
[07:43] <mebaran> 6 months from the last one
[07:43] <Omoshiroi> crimsun: correct me if im wrong, but you have to be root to set the root password... if you do SU or goto the root terminal from gnome it asks for a password, you leave it blank and it says its the wrong password.
[07:43] <Destructo> k
[07:43] <mebaran> ubuntu hasnt missed a release yet
[07:43] <mebaran> (there has only been one)
[07:43] <MM2> samba is installed and configured. After some boots dpkg -l |grep samba shows nothing i.e. samba package is deleted?!
[07:43] <xskou1ax> some people... like me... are not comfortable modifying their kernel to get support that they fell is entirely necessary
[07:44] <MM2> where I can send bug-report?
[07:44] <mebaran> xskou1ax
[07:44] <crimsun> Destructo: April 2005.
[07:44] <mebaran> what was your problem
[07:44] <Omoshiroi> I sure as well would recompile my kernel if I could...
[07:44] <crimsun> Destructo: every 6 months there is a stable release.
[07:44] <Omoshiroi> hell*
[07:44] <xskou1ax> omoshiroi - why do you want to get into root?
[07:44] <kotau> Why does apt-get install camstream return E: Couldn't find package camstream?  I have enabled multiverse
[07:44] <Destructo> crimsun well im going to install it for her, all she cares about is burning and checking emails
[07:44] <xskou1ax> sudo has worked fine in all cases
[07:44] <Omoshiroi> xskou1ax because I need to recompile my kernel for network drivers.
[07:44] <xskou1ax> i would like to be able to set my root password though
[07:45] <jdub> xskou1ax: you can, if you absolutely have to: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[07:45] <xskou1ax> there you go omo
[07:45] <Omoshiroi> thanks.
[07:45] <crimsun> Omoshiroi: 1) sudo uses your normal user's passwd. 2) you don't need to have root privileges to compile external modules, only to insert or remove them into/from a running kernel.
[07:45] <xskou1ax> haha omo rhymes with another no so nice term
[07:46] <Omoshiroi> yes but my name isnt omo
[07:46] <martok> Hey, where are the Ubuntu package repositories located?
[07:46] <crimsun> martok: archive.ubuntu.com.
[07:46] <xskou1ax> oh yes it is
[07:46] <Omoshiroi> its omoshiroi which is japanese for interesting amusing and joyful.
[07:46] <martok> Thanks crimsun
[07:46] <xskou1ax> it is to an american like m
[07:46] <xskou1ax> sounds a little gay to me
[07:46] <xskou1ax> :)
[07:46] <xskou1ax> but yea...
[07:47] <xskou1ax> you need a good african name
[07:47] <Omoshiroi> no I dont.
[07:47] <Omoshiroi> Omoshiroi works quite fine for me.
[07:47] <xskou1ax> whats african for big trunk
[07:47] <Omoshiroi> watashi wa omoshiroi desu yo.
[07:47] <xskou1ax> kiss my ass?
[07:47] <Omoshiroi> xskou1ax wa baka desu...
[07:47] <xskou1ax> haha i speak english only
[07:47] <xskou1ax> jew
[07:48] <martok> WTF?
[07:48] <Destructo> crimsun im a diuehard slackware fan, but Pat (the developer) is phazing gnome out, and basically gave ubuntu props , like saying if you really want gnome check out ubuntu . nice nice
[07:48] <Omoshiroi> and ill help you out there, I said your an idiot. or at least you are acting like one.
[07:48] <crimsun> Destructo: try it, you'll be impressed.
[07:48] <crimsun> Omoshiroi: don't feed the trolls, please.
[07:48] <Destructo> i think so. what gnome bversion ..?
[07:48] <crimsun> Destructo: Warty has 2.8.
[07:48] <martok> Damn, what's wrong with gays and jews? I saw a documentary on Gay Jews tonight and they seemed pretty cool.
[07:48] <Omoshiroi> destructo, same here on the slackware side, gentoo was nice also.
[07:48] <xskou1ax> thats japanese
[07:48] <Destructo> k. and it has k3b rigfht >
[07:49] <jdub> Destructo: we push our preview release on the same day as the gnome fina release. :-)
[07:49] <xskou1ax> well babelfish doesnt understand you... so neither do i
[07:49] <crimsun> martok: please don't feed the trolls.
[07:49] <Destructo> sorry. my laptop has this ammyoing tabclick
[07:49] <Destructo> annoying
[07:49] <Destructo> jdub nice
[07:49] <mebaran> Is any of the AMD64 users out there aware of the bug in Evolution
[07:49] <mebaran> that makes it basically unusable
[07:49] <mebaran> not sure how to report it
[07:49] <mebaran> as it is clean
[07:49] <mebaran> works fine
[07:49] <martok> I was uh... serious.
[07:49] <mebaran> but wont let me import export or change any contacts
[07:50] <Destructo> what wireless tools do you guys have for ubuntu
[07:50] <jdub> nothing of note in warty
[07:50] <jdub> hoary will have netapplet
[07:51] <xskou1ax> ???????????????????????
[07:51] <Omoshiroi> anyone know if wireless drivers are in the kernel/modules?
[07:51] <xskou1ax> damnit it didnt work
[07:51] <Destructo> Omoshiroi wireless drvers. ?
[07:51] <Destructo> probably enable it yourself .. i would help but im new to ubuntu
[07:52] <mebaran> Any ideas on how to report
[07:52] <mebaran> also I cant flush the config file
[07:52] <mebaran> I delete everything and yet it doesnt clena out the bad otpions
[07:52] <Destructo> mebaran report a bug in evolution ..?
[07:52] <eim> I'm experiencing compile problems with make-kpkg and linux source 2.6.10, any suggestions?
[07:52] <Neo_654> Anyone know if I manually set my dns servers in networking to my ISP's server if it will speed up firefoxes resolving issue even after the tweaks?
[07:52] <crimsun> eim: what sort of compile problems?
[07:53] <Omoshiroi> I use a linksys wireless card, so far I dont have the net on linux, would be easy enough to just plug in the cable on my onboard nic but that isnt in the modules either.
[07:53] <Destructo> Omoshiroi dude you have the windows drivers for it ..?
[07:53] <Irashaimase> df
[07:53] <Irashaimase> sdf
[07:53] <Irashaimase> sdf
[07:53] <Omoshiroi> and crimsun I wasnt feeding the trolls, if someone iplies that I am gay because of my name I am going to bash them.
[07:53] <crimsun> Omoshiroi: (That's feeding the trolls.)
[07:53] <Destructo> i got my laptop going wirless after like 4 min
[07:54] <Omoshiroi> well then ill feed the trolls.
[07:54] <Destructo> ndiswrapper is a godsend
[07:54] <Kyuuketsuki> ok
[07:54] <Destructo> Omoshiroi you try ndiswrapper ..?
[07:54] <Omoshiroi> destructo, yes I have windows drivers for it.
[07:54] <Kyuuketsuki> no i was saying that the three definitions were gay
[07:54] <Omoshiroi> and no I havent.
[07:55] <Omoshiroi> no
[07:55] <Destructo> Omoshiroi well all you need is the .inf file
[07:55] <Omoshiroi> but you were implying omo as homo, which is usually refered to as homosexual, meaning gay.
[07:55] <Kyuuketsuki> no i said it rhymed with it
[07:55] <Kyuuketsuki> you assume too much
[07:55] <daniels> (rampantly offtopic)
[07:55] <Omoshiroi> lol daniels.
[07:56] <martok> This is crazy.
[07:56] <Omoshiroi> cool thanks Destructo.
[07:56] <Destructo> Omoshiroi anyways you have the laptop ready
[07:56] <martok> Who cares if somebody is gay or not?
[07:56] <martok> Jeez.
[07:56] <Kyuuketsuki> no one
[07:56] <Kyuuketsuki> i dont
[07:56] <Omoshiroi> no actually I dont Destructo
[07:56] <Omoshiroi> I run dual boot
[07:56] <eim> crimsun: At the end come up some errors, maybe I need to perform a make-kpkg clean first, then compile.
[07:56] <Destructo> ouch
[07:57] <crimsun> eim: what sort of errors? what .config are you using? what version of kernel-package?
[07:57] <jmhodges> ooo
[07:57] <jmhodges> do my eyes deceive me?
[07:57] <Destructo> Omoshiroi i used to do that in the beginning, then i started using vmwae on slack, then now i just make my shit work ..
[07:57] <Destructo> vmware
[07:57] <jmhodges> new xorg compatiable fglrx drivers?
[07:57] <crimsun> jmhodges: thanks to daniels, yes.
[07:57] <daniels> jmhodges: they're in hoary
[07:57] <Kyuuketsuki> anyone know where i can get vmware to "test" :)
[07:57] <jmhodges> daniels: yep, thats what im running
[07:57] <eim> crimsun: I can't switch back to see the error details, now. .config is ok, kernel source 2.6.10.
[07:57] <Omoshiroi> destructo no money to buy vmware.
[07:57] <jmhodges> daniels: thank you thank you thank you :)
[07:58] <Destructo> jmhodges vmware has a 30 day trial
[07:58] <Kyuuketsuki> omoshiroi whats my name
[07:58] <daniels> jmhodges: no worries
[07:58] <Kyuuketsuki> omoshiroi whats my name mean
[07:58] <Omoshiroi> I dont know what it means, I would have to look it up.
[07:58] <Kyuuketsuki> ok
[07:58] <Destructo> Omoshiroi 30 day trial.
[07:58] <Kyuuketsuki> destructo their is a trial?
[07:58] <crimsun> yes, a 30-day trial.
[07:58] <Destructo> yeah man.
[07:58] <Kyuuketsuki> oooh trials are for fools?! mwuhahaha
[07:58] <Omoshiroi> Destructo... trials are useless after the 30 days.
[07:59] <crimsun> fully functional for 30 days.
[07:59] <Destructo> not really
[07:59] <Kyuuketsuki> omo au contrair
[07:59] <Kyuuketsuki> trials can be cracked...
[07:59] <Kyuuketsuki> in a variety of ways
[07:59] <Destructo> well either way, there are other EMU
[07:59] <Kyuuketsuki> maybe its time to try my universal never expire thingy
[07:59] <Amaranth> Guys...
[07:59] <Neo_654> Dang ingnore does come in helpfull.
[07:59] <Kyuuketsuki> vmware is the best isnt it
[07:59] <Amaranth> That kind of talk is not only off-topic, but illegal.
[08:00] <Kyuuketsuki> why would you ignore me
[08:00] <Kyuuketsuki> indeed they are
[08:00] <Omoshiroi> kyuu as a prefix like that means sudden.
[08:00] <Kyuuketsuki> well its supposed to mean vampire
[08:00] <Kyuuketsuki> but i dont trust the net
[08:00] <Omoshiroi> lol
[08:01] <Kyuuketsuki> http://japanese.about.com/bl50kanji6_kyuuketsuki.htm
[08:01] <martok> Anybody watch Night Walker?
[08:01] <Kyuuketsuki> but i think it is correct
[08:01] <Kyuuketsuki> googling it shows Vampire Princess Miyu sites among others
[08:02] <Omoshiroi> if you want a good translation tool you should check out jwpce, its windows only though I think.
[08:02] <Omoshiroi> although you need to be able to read hiragana for it to be effective.
[08:02] <martok> Are you japanese?
[08:02] <Omoshiroi> no
[08:03] <martok> Oh, ok.
[08:03] <Omoshiroi> I just took some japanese in high school, want to take more after college.
[08:03] <Destructo> ok so how many versions of ubuntu are out
[08:03] <Kyuuketsuki> i doubt i can read hiragana
[08:03] <crimsun> Destructo: 1
[08:03] <martok> Cool.
[08:03] <Kyuuketsuki> im blackanese
[08:03] <martok> Heh, are you really black?
[08:03] <Kyuuketsuki> yup
[08:03] <martok> Cool, me too.
[08:03] <Kyuuketsuki> not necessarily proud of it, sorry
[08:04] <martok> I'm just ok being human.
[08:04] <Omoshiroi> after learning 4 languages well 5 if you count html rofl.
[08:04] <Kyuuketsuki> most black people are shameful...
[08:04] <Scooter> we cant use new ATI drivers with warty? :(
[08:04] <daniels> guys, this is all still wildly offtopic
[08:04] <martok> Yeah, I know.
[08:04] <martok> Haha!
[08:04] <daniels> Scooter: no, warty is frozen
[08:04] <Omoshiroi> that in 2 years I think I am good for learning japanese.
[08:04] <Kyuuketsuki> wah off-topic wah - Artie Lang
[08:04] <Omoshiroi> programming languages anyways.
[08:04] <martok> Dude I listen to Howard every morning. Waaah! LOL.
[08:05] <Kyuuketsuki> me too
[08:05] <crimsun> Scooter: you can compile them yourself, but Ubuntu will not provide official{ly supported} packages for Warty.
[08:05] <Kyuuketsuki> i love it
[08:05] <Destructo> well you dont have to use vmware , trheres also bochs
[08:05] <Kyuuketsuki> hurray for blacks who listen to howard!
[08:05] <Scooter> ok thanks
[08:05] <Omoshiroi> actually if you count the PHP ill be learning it would be 5 programming languages.
[08:05] <martok> Waaaah, your implants popped, waaaah!
[08:05] <Kyuuketsuki> Omo.. man dont be so modest
[08:05] <Kyuuketsuki> haha martok
[08:05] <Omoshiroi> Destructo, I dont really want anything to emulate windows.
[08:06] <Kyuuketsuki> waah i wont date white canadians waah
[08:06] <martok> LOL!
[08:06] <Omoshiroi> lol
[08:06] <Kyuuketsuki> that girl was crazy
[08:06] <martok> That chick was hot man.
[08:06] <Destructo> well vmware is great because you can install a whole XP OS on it..
[08:06] <Kyuuketsuki> and did you see her on the site... those tattoos are too much imo
[08:06] <Omoshiroi> I know Destructo
[08:06] <martok> Did you check out her pictures?
[08:06] <martok> Oh, man. I'm into tats on women.
[08:07] <crimsun> martok: / Omoshiroi: / Kyuuketsuki: #ubuntu-offtopic, please.
[08:07] <Kyuuketsuki> im so not.. not in the way she had them
[08:07] <Kyuuketsuki> puff
[08:07] <jdub> thanks crimsun
[08:07] <Destructo> crimsun sorry im now i heard 2 diff names pop out tonight about ubuntu versionsconfused ,
[08:07] <theDragon> ok, need  a hand: want to set up dual booting. I have linux on my IDE and windows on my sata disk on the first partition. I have tried a bajillion different configs to get it working. Any ideas?
[08:07] <Scooter> Oh great , the ATI drivers are RPM... looks like I have to install Fedora Filfth to get my ATI card to work :(
[08:08] <crimsun> Destructo: Warty is the current stable version, released October 2004. Hoary is currently the development version to be released in April 2005 as the next stable.
[08:08] <Omoshiroi> what distro do you have Scooter?
[08:08] <Kyuuketsuki> APRIL!!!!
[08:08] <daniels> Scooter: you can sort of do it on Ubuntu by hand
[08:08] <jdub> Scooter: the new drivers were uploaded to hoary a few hours ago.
[08:08] <Scooter> warty
[08:08] <Kyuuketsuki> holy balls thats far off
[08:08] <Omoshiroi> kk, shouldnt alien work with the rpm?
[08:08] <Scooter> yea I try hoary from aptget, but drivers dont work
[08:08] <martok> Are you kidding?
[08:08] <martok> LOL
[08:08] <jdub> Kyuuketsuki: the preview will be released in march
[08:09] <Kyuuketsuki> whats a preview
[08:09] <Scooter> now i went back to warty
[08:09] <jdub> Omoshiroi: it will, but is not a useful way to install it in ubuntu
[08:09] <Kyuuketsuki> arent the curren versions a preview
[08:09] <jdub> Kyuuketsuki: the preview is a very public beta
[08:09] <jdub> Kyuuketsuki: no, warty is a final released version
[08:09] <Omoshiroi> jdub aware of that, you want to use apt as much as possible in any linux distribution.
[08:09] <Destructo> sorry my laptop pad
[08:09] <Omoshiroi> debian based*
[08:10] <theDragon> can I get a hand?
[08:11] <Scooter> Hmmm, here is an idea I might try to just change my apt-list to hoary, install the Xfree drivers I saw, and then change back to warty...
[08:13] <crimsun> Scooter: unless you're intimately familiar with the package manager, that's probably going to cause more headaches.
[08:13] <Scooter> can I run hoary in Xfree?
[08:13] <Scooter> ok
[08:14] <randabis> why run xfree in hoary with x.org is superior...
[08:14] <Scooter> is it true that there is a hoary ISO?
[08:14] <randabis> yes there is a hoary iso
[08:14] <Scooter> because I cant get Xorg to insstall
[08:15] <Scooter> Cool :)
[08:15] <randabis> it's from 12/27
[08:15] <randabis> unless there's been an update
[08:15] <bassinboy> how can i bind a key to a command?
[08:15] <Scooter> Thanks, that might be the ticket for me...
[08:16] <Scooter> I cant seem to get it to work from apt-get
[08:16] <crimsun> bassinboy: warty? hoary?
[08:16] <jmhodges> ok, i just tried to upgrade my fglrx drivers
[08:16] <crimsun> bassinboy: in hoary, it's Desktop>Preferences>Keyboard Shortcuts
[08:16] <jmhodges> and im getting diversion errors
[08:17] <randabis> installing the new xfce 4.2 :)
[08:17] <jmhodges> xorg-driver-fglrx and fglrx-driver have conflicting diversions
[08:17] <Scooter> I got XXFce4.2 it totaly ROCKS
[08:17] <jmhodges> and i can't seem to remove both of them at once
[08:17] <bassinboy> crimsun: warty
[08:18] <crimsun> bassinboy: Keyboard Shortcuts under Preferences
[08:18] <jmhodges> anybody know what i need to do?
[08:18] <jmhodges> this is hoary btw
[08:18] <jmhodges> im X-less atm :-/
[08:18] <Omoshiroi> is there any simple way to change modules that are loading in warty to get my network working?
[08:18] <theCanuck> I am trying to dual boot my machine using grub. on one drive I have linux (IDE) and on the other I have winXP (SATA). I cannot successfully manage to boot windows using grub
[08:18] <daniels> jmhodges: don't install fglrx-driver
[08:18] <bassinboy> crimsun: i want a custom command
[08:18] <daniels> known issue, will be fixed in a few minutes
[08:19] <Amaranth> hrm
[08:19] <jmhodges> cool
[08:19] <Scooter> SweeT! Thankyou <daniels>
[08:19] <jmhodges> thanks daniels
[08:19] <Amaranth> my CDs say they were shipped on nov 8th
[08:19] <daniels> no worries
[08:19] <Scooter> perhaps it is problem I was haveing
[08:19] <Amaranth> it's jan 19 and still nothing :/
[08:19] <Scooter> is it with amd 64?
[08:20] <Omoshiroi> Amaranth I feel your pain, I ordered anime back in august and its still not here!
[08:20] <Scooter> ok well, if the drivers are getting fixed, perhaps i will try install hoary again 8)
[08:21] <theCanuck> w00t ubuntu
[08:21] <theCanuck> :)
[08:21] <Scooter> can hoary-live install hoary to hard disk?
[08:22] <Amaranth> Omoshiroi: Not the same, I was hoping to beat all those Planet GNOME hackers to it. :)
[08:22] <binbin> how do i install a bin file?
[08:22] <Omoshiroi> Amaranth hehe, your right, its not the same, my anime cost me $100 :P
[08:22] <randabis> don't think so, but like I said before Scooter, there is a hoary iso (not live) based on a 12/27 snapshot
[08:22] <Amaranth> binbin: sh file.bin
[08:22] <randabis> binbin either sh foo.bin or ./foo.bin
[08:22] <Scooter> where is the download link?
[08:22] <Scooter> TIA :)
[08:23] <Amaranth> Omoshiroi: But you're talking about anime, I'm talking about something important. ;)
[08:23] <martok> Anime isn't important?
[08:23] <bruce583> im new to Ubuntu, and I have a Dell A190 printer
[08:23] <martok> LOL.
[08:23] <bruce583> how to make it work?
[08:24] <Omoshiroi> Amaranth, anime may not be important to you, but obviously its important to me if I spent $100 on it ;)
[08:24] <mebaran> Anime is the most important use for a computer I can think of
[08:24] <randabis> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/
[08:24] <Omoshiroi> same here mebaran
[08:24] <martok> Anybody watch Night Walkers?!
[08:24] <Omoshiroi> anime and programming lol
[08:24] <martok> Err... Night Walker.
[08:24] <marko_> hello...can I get some help with my grub?
 Thank You :)
[08:24] <randabis> there you go scooter
[08:24] <ironwolf__> ok, how does one undelete a file *or in this case files* from a vfat filesystem.
[08:24] <randabis> np
[08:25] <crimsun> ironwolf__: perhaps native win32 tools provide that functionality from within a win32 environment.
[08:25] <Kyuuketsuki> anyone have Robin Witch Hunter
[08:25] <Omoshiroi> I do.
[08:25] <martok> I'm not into that one.
[08:25] <randabis> okay gonna check out xfce 4.2 brb
[08:25] <Kyuuketsuki> its the onlty one i liike
[08:25] <ironwolf__> crimsun: installing a program over the data to restore the data I'm looking for isn't what I had in mind.
[08:25] <Omoshiroi> I try to watch it but then get bored of it, even though it seems very neat to me, just havent been in the witch hunter robin mood
[08:25] <martok> Geeks and Witches? Come on.
[08:25] <bruce583> nobody knows how to make my printer work
[08:26] <crimsun> bruce583: what isn't working with it? what type is it?
[08:26] <ironwolf__> crimsun: or is win32 tools a package I've been missing?
[08:26] <martok> And they have the guy Kai from Lexx doing that dudes voice.
[08:26] <bruce583> Dell A190
[08:26] <bruce583> all in one
[08:26] <marko_> somehow I can't boot my windozeXP partition....-->Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format<-- It was working fine, since I reinstalled windoze...
[08:26] <crimsun> bruce583: have you checked the wiki to see if anyone has left any notes regarding that model?
[08:26] <bruce583> no
[08:26] <bruce583> im a novice
[08:27] <bruce583> how does one go about that
[08:28] <crimsun> bruce583: see the topic. :)
[08:29] <Destructo> hey hey im back. sorry my wirless crappedout on me
[08:30] <martok> 802.11g?
[08:30] <marko_> can't anybody help me?
[08:30] <Destructo> yeah. but i forgotto set the essid
[08:30] <Destructo> marko_ what do yu need help with
[08:30] <marko_> I need help with grub
[08:31] <Destructo> sorry im a lilo man
[08:31] <marko_> oh allright THX
[08:31] <marko_> anybody else here using GRUB?
[08:31] <ironwolf__> marko_: everybody
[08:32] <Amaranth> my computer uses it but thanks to ubuntu i don't need to know anything about it, so i don't
[08:32] <marko_> and anybody here, who want's to give me some help with booting windozeXP?
[08:32] <ironwolf__> marko_: Can you be more specific?
[08:33] <Destructo> im downloading ubuntu, so i ave no idea .. yet
[08:33] <ironwolf__> Destructo: you'll love it.
[08:33] <ironwolf__> it "just works"
[08:33] <ironwolf__> marko_: what do you need help doing in specific?  Ask your questions, and we'll try to help you out.
[08:34] <martok> He wants to dual boot Windows XP probably.
[08:34] <marko_> ok...I've got my ubuntu installed on /dev/hda1 and my windoze on /dev/hda2....but somehow I can't boot windoze
[08:34] <Destructo> does k3b do isos ..?
[08:34] <marko_> somehow I can't boot my windozeXP partition....-->Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format<-- It was working fine, since I reinstalled windoze...
[08:34] <martok> Destructo: Yeah
[08:34] <Amaranth> Destructo: Yes.
[08:35] <Destructo> in lilo you have to append windows.. not sure about grub
[08:35] <Scooter> This is cool, I hope the hoary ISO installs Xorg by default, I am going to try installing the 386 ISO on this system next...
[08:35] <marko_> my menu.lst is the following:title           Windows NT/2000/XProot            (hd0,2)
[08:35] <marko_> makeactive
[08:35] <marko_> chainloader     +1
[08:35] <ironwolf__> if anyone has an undelete for a vfat fs, please speak up
[08:35] <mebaran> I think ms had one
[08:35] <mebaran> you should google it
[08:35] <Omoshiroi> anyone here know about winex and cedega?
[08:36] <Amaranth> ironwolf__: first off, make sure the partition is mounted read-only until you get it fixed
[08:36] <Amaranth> Omoshiroi: Those are one and the same. Check out #cedega
[08:36] <ironwolf__> Amaranth: already done.
[08:36] <Omoshiroi> kk
[08:36] <Destructo> marko_ its quite easy..
[08:36] <Destructo> you are inlinuxatm ..?
[08:37] <ironwolf__> Amaranth: now the more difficult part of getting it back.  *sigh*  it's gotta be out there somewhere.. I can't seem to find it.
[08:37] <Amaranth> ironwolf__: That's all I know. :/
[08:37] <Destructo> marko_ http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html
[08:38] <Scooter> what is name of CD burner in warty?  i am in XFCE and need to burn CD...
[08:38] <Amaranth> Scooter: Read the wiki on how to install k3b
[08:38] <Scooter> yea I prefer Kb3 thanks :)
[08:39] <martok> Can the CD burner in warty burn ISOs?
[08:39] <jmhodges> martok yes, if you mean the nautilus one.. right click on the iso and select "Write CD.."
[08:39] <martok> Oh cool. Thanks.
[08:40] <jmhodges> very cool indeed
[08:40] <jmhodges> np
[08:40] <Omoshiroi> Amaranth, I am getting absolutely no responce in the cedega channel, I only need to know if by any chance there is still a CVS for winex/cedega?
 Thanks i gotta burn ISO also
[08:40] <jmhodges> np
[08:41] <jmhodges> soooo.. whats the status on the fglrx pkg? heard that new versions would be up "in a few minutes".. guessing its going to be a while yet?
[08:41] <daniels> jmhodges: it works fine if you just don't install fglrx-driver
[08:41] <jmhodges> well, its installed already
[08:42] <daniels> but it takes a while for the upload to go through all our systems anyway
[08:42] <Scooter> 0o
[08:42] <jmhodges> gotcha
[08:42] <Destructo> what other WM does ubuntu have?
[08:42] <Scooter> XFce
[08:42] <Scooter> IceWM
[08:42] <Scooter> you have to apt--get them
[08:43] <Destructo> ok is there like a depository, if i wanted to install luxbox
[08:43] <Scooter> the newest XFce I installed on warty from Graphical installer, the new XFce is verry nice
[08:44] <pdaoust> hey, I know this isn't directly related to Ubuntu, because win32codecs is an unsupported package, but... does anyone else ever have issues with certain codecs in QuickTime movies not putting out any audio?
[08:45] <Lowry> update quicktime
[08:45] <pdaoust> Lowry: this is a specific package?
[08:45] <crimsun> pdaoust: what version of w32codecs is installed?
[08:45] <Lowry> also there is a windows quicktime forum on apples web page
[08:45] <pdaoust> crimsun: lesseeeeee...
[08:46] <pdaoust> 2004-09-16 0.0
[08:46] <pdaoust> funny thing is, most will work; i.e., a lot of trailers on Apple are fine. However, the trailer I pulled from starwars.com (hooray for wookiees!) is completely silent.
[08:47] <Lowry> http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@749.uHZZa4ZIK5K.1@.ee6ba94
[08:47] <crimsun> yep, you need to upgrade the version of the codecs.
[08:47] <pdaoust> soooooooo... okay. guess the Marillat repository isn't the most up-to-date?
[08:48] <crimsun> [offtopic]  there's a codec pack from mplayerhq.hu from december
[08:49] <pdaoust> crimsun: so I just grab the codecs pack and dispense with the package manager altogether?
[08:50] <crimsun> pdaoust: not the recommended method, but brute force suffices.
[08:50] <pdaoust> crimsun: no prob; I came to Ubuntu from Gentoo. I'm used to hacking ^_^
[08:50] <pdaoust> just wondering, before I did that, if there were any 'proper' ways to do this.
[08:50] <crimsun> yes, create a deb of it :-)
[08:51] <pdaoust> crimsun: ^_^
[08:52] <pdaoust> baby steps here... I only just learned how to make an ebuild after a year and a half of using Gentoo... (then I turfed the whole thing when my HD crashed and I needed to get up-and-running quickly -- clients waiting for their website -- and I tried out Ubuntu)
[08:53] <pdaoust> it boggles me how these people can jury-rig Windows codecs to work with MPlayer and Xine...
[08:53] <pdaoust> I think I'll stick to making web apps, thanks ^_^
[08:56] <marko_> fabbione: can you help me with my grub?
[08:56] <fabbione> marko_: just ask.. if i am not around someone will be able to help
[08:57] <marko_> nke... I can't boot my windoze partition, after I reinstalled WindozeXP...there's the message printed: Error13: Invalid or unsupported executable format
[08:58] <marko_> can ya help me with this...I've talked to ironwolf...but he can't help me with that.
[08:58] <pdaoust> marko_: that's a doozie
[08:58] <pdaoust> when do you get this message?
[08:58] <marko_> when I select windoze in the grub-bootmenu
[08:59] <fabbione> marko_: i don't have windows anywhere.... how am i supposed to help?
[08:59] <pdaoust> marko_: do you have 'chainloader +1' anywhere in the Windows entry in /boot/grub/grub.conf?
[08:59] <pdaoust> (without the quotation marks, of course)
[09:00] <marko_> not in /boot/grub/grub.conf but in /boot/grub/menu.lst... is this also ok?
[09:00] <marko_> sorry fabbione...I didn't kno that... ironwolf just said, that I should ask you with that.
[09:01] <pdaoust> marko_: yep, they're the same, pretty much... in some distros they're just symlinked to each other.
[09:01] <fabbione> marko_: sorry but it's really the dark side of the force for me
[09:01] <pdaoust> marko_: did you reinstall Windows *before* or *after* installing Ubuntu (i.e., before or after GRUB was installed in your boot record)?
[09:01] <marko_> ok... so I don't know what to do...I googled and found many things bout that...but nothing really helped me
[09:02] <ironwolf__> to be fair, I said fabbione might know who the grub wizard was
[09:02] <marko_> ironwolf__sorry...I don't wanted to say anything wrong...I'm not the bad guy...just a dummy-user! ;-)
[09:03] <ironwolf__> no worries marko_
[09:04] <marko_> pdaoust: I installed it after UBUNTU, and (because of WINDOZE OVERWRITES THE BOOTRECORD) I booted my linux with a bootdisk and then copied the boot.mbr file to my MBR
[09:05] <pdaoust> marko_: hmmmmmmmmm... yeah, having a little trouble remembering, because it's been ages since I had Windows too...
[09:05] <Destructo> marko_ you shouldnt write ro the mbr ..
[09:05] <marko_> I mean... everything stayed the same....same windoze-partition, same linux-partition... but somehow it worked fine before reinstalling windoze, and after that...NOT
[09:05] <pdaoust> forgive my ignorance, but where did you find boot.mbr? not familiar with that file.
[09:06] <marko_> destructe...yo...I read this half an hour ago...
[09:06] <Destructo> marko_ do this .. get a  windows floppy startup disk . and run fdis /mbr
[09:06] <Destructo> fdisk /mbr
[09:06] <pdaoust> I wonder if Ubuntu has a tool for recovering GRUB into the MBR... I know Mandrake does, and it's wonderful
[09:06] <Destructo> then redo grub
[09:06] <pdaoust> (one of the few wonderful things about Mandrake ;-) )
[09:06] <Destructo> marko_ or if you download lilo , you can save yourself headaches
[09:08] <Destructo> is there a direct link i can browse  apps for ubuntu
[09:09] <marko_> pdaoust: I got that file by doing a: dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 of=/media/floppy/boot.mbr
[09:09] <pdaoust> marko_: ah, I getcha, so you made it yourself.
[09:10] <pdaoust> did you go /dev/hda or /dev/hda1 tho?
[09:10] <pdaoust> oh
[09:10] <pdaoust> sorry
[09:10] <pdaoust> read it wrong
[09:10] <shantanu> how do I install a .deb package in my current folder
[09:11] <Agrajag> sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb
[09:11] <marko_> but the problem is....when I don't install the boot-loader in the mbr...fuckingwindoze boots up without asking me, wether i want to boot my linux!!! THAT SUX
[09:12] <pdaoust> marko_: yeah, that's a serious problem... I don't know quite exactly how to work around that... I'm gonna hafta bow out here...
[09:12] <marko_> pdaoust: you wrote about a tool for recovering GRUB into the MBR...what is it called?
[09:12] <pdaoust> (gotta get to bed too)
[09:13] <marko_> nke...sleep well
[09:13] <pdaoust> marko_: well, I know that the Mandrake Linux installation CD has a funky menu that allows you to repair the MBR
[09:13] <pdaoust> (kinda like Windows Recovery Console's fixboot and fixmbr commands)
[09:13] <marko_> ahh...ok...
[09:15] <whaq_> hi neighborlee
[09:16] <neighborlee> hi
[09:16] <Omoshiroi> Destructo, thanks for the ndiswrapper info, there is even help on setting it up on the ubuntu site, which is cool
[09:21] <Omoshiroi> and then there was silence.
[09:21] <Destructo> Omoshiroi yeah ndiswrapper is a godsend. one trick btw. if the ubuntu way doesnt work. do this .. find the .inf file for your card , and put it in your home/dir then  you run ndiswrapper -i  /home/you/file.inf and bam
[09:22] <Omoshiroi> kk ill save that in a text doc.
[09:22] <Destructo> reason for this is because the dir from which your windows stuff is in doesnt really translate that well in linux
[09:23] <Omoshiroi> well im going to move the .inf file into my linux distro lol
[09:23] <Destructo> i suggest doing it manually.
[09:23] <Omoshiroi> I like how nicely ubuntu detects things on startup tho.
[09:23] <Omoshiroi> what do you mean manually?
[09:24] <Destructo> well configure it rather than running whatever that ubuntu-ndiswrapper script thingy
[09:24] <Omoshiroi> heh, im lazy so ill do the ubuntu-ndiswrapper thing then if that doesnt work ill do it manually :P
[09:25] <Destructo> k
[09:25] <Omoshiroi> that and I am not big into linux atm, got too much other college stuff going on.
[09:25] <kotau> can Alien force install a .rpm?
[09:26] <Omoshiroi> or I would do it manually
[09:26] <Omoshiroi> I believe so kotau
[09:26] <kotau> omoshiroi; man alien mentions not of this extentsion
[09:26] <Destructo> Omoshiroi        www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[09:27] <Omoshiroi> I am mostly a slackware person but I think I did that in one of my debian installs once with the ati stuff.
[09:27] <Omoshiroi> thanks Destructo, thats the link that I found earlier.
[09:27] <Destructo> im running slackware on my kickass hp pavilion laptop zv5420
[09:28] <Omoshiroi> I was about to say that HP and kickass should not be used in the same sentance until I read laptop :P
[09:29] <daniels> Omoshiroi: their servers are amazing
[09:30] <Omoshiroi> wasnt talking about servers.
[09:30] <Ex-Cyber> if a dist-upgrade gets interrupted by a dpkg error, how should I go about resuming/retrying it?
[09:30] <Omoshiroi> servers are a totally different story
[09:30] <kotau> man the ATI page that tells me how to install drivers says to use rpm --force but alien has no force switch, unless it is undocumented.   Wait.. I can convert it into a deb file.  can I force install the .deb file?
[09:30] <Omoshiroi> most of the OEMS have awesome servers, because thats what they do, making desktops is just thier half ass on the side job :P
[09:31] <whaq_> daniels, why do you say that?
[09:31] <Omoshiroi> although HP has gotten better since it bought up compaq, hp is more the high end stuff, I have actually seen real hardware in the hp computers lol
[09:32] <Destructo> Omoshiroi this is basically my laptop, but he has the CANADIAN version and i have my wireless working   http://ronispc.chem.mcgill.ca/ronis/misc/zv5240ca.html
[09:32] <Omoshiroi> like a gigabyte motherboard (dislikes gigabyte though)
[09:32] <Amaranth> o_O
[09:32] <Amaranth> a non-OEM motherboard in an OEM computer?
[09:32] <daniels> whaq_: because they're very solid, reliable, and their remote management is astounding
[09:32] <Omoshiroi> ah cool.
[09:33] <Omoshiroi> Amaranth yes.
[09:33] <daniels> whaq_: when the server's off, you can feed it an iso over the network, and say 'here, turn yourself on and boot this', for example
[09:33] <daniels> kotau: dude, are you using warty or hoary?
[09:33] <whaq_> daniels, cool. We're needing to get some servers. Where would be a good place to buy those?
[09:33] <Ex-Cyber> Amaranth: who do you think makes the "OEM" boards anyway?
[09:33] <Omoshiroi> lol, who is we Whaq_?
[09:33] <Ex-Cyber> :)
[09:33] <whaq_> daniels, the so called lights-out management?
[09:34] <whaq_> Omoshiroi, we are the whaqies from the planet whaqurn. We plan to build a qluster to invade Earth.
[09:34] <daniels> whaq_: ilo, yeah.  proliants aren't cheap, so basically anywhere you can get them that's reasonably cheap.
[09:34] <whaq_> Omoshiroi, my company, that's what =P
[09:34] <Ex-Cyber> how can I see what caused dpkg to fail if it interrupted apt-get with an error?
[09:34] <Omoshiroi> your company better be a multi million dollar company if you want a good server...
[09:35] <Omoshiroi> billion even.
[09:35] <whaq_> Omoshiroi, we've some xserve, ibm xseries and some opteron and xeon boxes.. testing out different servers and looking to standardize on one
[09:36] <whaq_> daniels, any pointers on where to get them? any specific vendors?
[09:36] <Omoshiroi> Ex-Cyber good point about the OEM, but he didnt specify what Original Equipment Manufacturer he was talking about, probably meant the OEM for the computer and not the motherboard.
[09:36] <Omoshiroi> whaq_ probably HP if you want an HP one.
[09:37] <Omoshiroi> daniels that iso thing sounds pretty sweet.
[09:37] <whaq_> Omoshiroi, they have resellers and i've also seen some deals that look good on ebay..
[09:38] <Omoshiroi> true enough.
[09:38] <daniels> whaq_: not really, sorry; i haven't bought the ones I've worked on (got them directly through HP), and even if I had, my supplier would be in .au
[09:38] <Destructo> whaq_ ive found some cheap hardware on craigslist.com
[09:38] <Ex-Cyber> so if I just run "apt-get -f install" will it actually do the Right Thing or is stuff going to break? :P
[09:39] <HrdwrBoB> Ex-Cyber: maybe and maybe
[09:39] <Ex-Cyber> HrdwrBoB: got any better ideas? :)
[09:40] <whaq_> i'm not in .au ... (does my ip point that way?)
[09:40] <whaq_> Destructo, much appreciated. I'll check them out.
[09:41] <Omoshiroi> whaq_ he never said you are in .au, he said he is, so he would have ordered from there.
[09:41] <HrdwrBoB> Ex-Cyber: apt-get -f install will do as little as possible in order to make the system sane again
[09:41] <Omoshiroi> HrdwrBob good to know.
[09:41] <Ex-Cyber> HrdwrBoB: okay, guess I may as well give it a shot then
[09:41] <Ex-Cyber> any idea where errors from dpkg go when apt is running it?
[09:42] <whaq_> oh, right, sorry bout that.
[09:42] <whaq_> daniels, we're neighbors though. I'm in Jakarta.
[09:42] <HrdwrBoB> Ex-Cyber: to your console
[09:42] <daniels> whaq_: oh, nice!
[09:43] <daniels> whaq_: dapat berbahasa indo, tapi tidak dgn lancar
[09:43] <whaq_> daniels, i've been to some european countries, the states, china and other asian countries, but never once to au or nz =) i've some cousins and acquaintances there though.
[09:43] <Ex-Cyber> HrdwrBoB: weird, all I saw was apt telling me that dpkg errored out
[09:43] <whaq_> daniels, haha hebat!
[09:43] <daniels> whaq_: well, nope, but yeah, if I was buying from anyone, they'd be Australian, which probably isn't too good for you
[09:43] <daniels> whaq_: :)
[09:43] <Ex-Cyber> well, guess I don't have a lot of options
[09:44] <whaq_> daniels, actually, if there are any good sources from .au, the shipping charges and leadtime may be good. My other option would be local resellers (mostly expensive), or singapore.
[09:44] <daniels> whaq_: true dat
[09:44] <daniels> whaq_: yeah
[09:44] <HrdwrBoB> whaq_: singapore would be my bet
[09:45] <whaq_> singapore it is then :)
[09:46] <whaq_> I've seen some ebay deals for last generation's hp boxes, new\non-refurb with maxed out config (4 or 6x 146GB scsi, etc) at less than 1/3rd of what it would cost here..
[09:47] <Omoshiroi> that sounds sweet whaq_
[09:47] <Lighty> Hi. I'm new to Linux and Ubuntu, but I'm an advanced computer user. Where can I change the Date format in the upper-right corner of the default Gnome/Ubuntu desktop? Currently, it says "Tue 18 Jan, 1:46 AM". I'd rather it say, "Tue, Jan 18, 1:46 AM". Help?
[09:47] <whaq_> Lighty, you're not joking are you?
[09:47] <Destructo> i wish someone would bitch slap davis spade again
[09:48] <Destructo> david
[09:48] <whaq_> hehe
[09:48] <Omoshiroi> so, why?
[09:48] <Lighty> whaq_: I'm curious...what makes you think I'm joking?
[09:48] <whaq_> Lighty, oh, the comma
[09:49] <Lighty> whaq_: And the day and month are switched.
[09:50] <Destructo> why. becuase he isnt funny. and hes been riding chris farleys' long enought.
[09:51] <Omoshiroi> heh
[09:51] <^jude^> hi
[09:52] <^jude^> can someone advise me? is it possible to run ubuntu with KDE? I really don't like the gnome interface, but I'm interested in trying ubuntu...
[09:52] <whaq_> anyone familiar with >50 users workgroup printing solution? (print server w/ quota support, etc)
[09:53] <Omoshiroi> ^jude^ you could install KDE I suppose.
[09:53] <^jude^> Omoshiroi: Yeah, I supposed the same - I was hoping to chat with someone who had actually done it :)
[09:54] <Riddell> ^jude^: yes, you can install KDE
[09:54] <Riddell> we have KDE 3.3.2 in hoary
[09:54] <Riddell> and 3.2 in warty
[09:54] <Lighty> ^jude^: Without even looking for it earlier, I found a reference to "Kubuntu". It's supposed to be a KDE-ified Ubuntu.
[09:54] <whaq_> sucky weather.. rainy but hot
[09:55] <Omoshiroi> whaq_ at least its not -35 degrees celcius like its been here for the last month ;)
[09:55] <whaq_> i used to live in Wisconsin, I kinda liked it :)
[09:55] <Omoshiroi> wisconsin is south of me, would be warmer :P
[09:55] <^jude^> Riddell: is that "we" as in your site, or is it planned for the next release?
[09:56] <whaq_> they stay below -10 for most of the time except a short summer, peaked at around -40..
[09:56] <jdub> ^jude^: as in ubuntu has 3.3.2 in hoary already
[09:56] <jdub> ^jude^: care of the kubuntu team
[09:56] <Omoshiroi> whaq_ the city I live in is also very very windy, so its about -50 or so with the wind chill.
[09:56] <kotau> Time to go down for the new ATI drivers!
[09:57] <Lighty> ^jude^: I just searched Synaptic and it reported a package of "kde" with all the juicy dependents hanging off it. So, it's just a few clicks away! :)
[09:58] <whaq_> Omoshiroi, hehe nice, where are you?
[09:58] <^jude^> jdub: thanks. In that case, I'll wait for that one to make full release I think
[09:58] <Riddell> Lighty: kde is a big meta-package, you may be best installing kde-core and adding other things as needed
[09:58] <Omoshiroi> Alberta
[09:58] <Omoshiroi> canada
[09:58] <jdub> Riddell: the kde depends are scary, dude
[09:58] <Lighty> Riddell: Not for me...just following up on ^jude^'s question.
[09:58] <jdub> Riddell: even kde-core was a bit whack
[09:58] <whaq_> Omoshiroi, is it far from calgary? My biz partner used to study there
[09:59] <jdub> Riddell: hope you guys can slicken them up a bit :)
[09:59] <^jude^> Lighty: If it's coming in April, I'll hang on - I've never used debian (redhat/fed since 7.2) and am not confident of getting it right on my own :)
[09:59] <jdub> Riddell: btw, do you know why arts doesn't have split up backend packages?
[09:59] <jdub> Riddell: currently it requires libjack and thus jackd - eeek!
[09:59] <^jude^> thanks for the info everyone
[09:59] <Omoshiroi> calgary is about an hour north whaq_
[09:59] <daniels> jdub: yeah, it should be broken up a bit
[09:59] <Riddell> jdub: I hope we can too
[09:59] <daniels> jdub: hysterical raisins, really
[10:00] <Riddell> jdub: never looked at arts in that way I'm afraid, will note to do so
[10:00] <whaq_> Omoshiroi, oh cool. he must've gotten his ass frozen up back there too then.
[10:00] <Omoshiroi> I think calgary is a little warmer than here, cuz there is less wind.
[10:03] <Omoshiroi> wind chill is where stuff really gets cold.
[10:05] <wfx> hi, i cant start gnome-default-applications-properties (it does nothing)
[10:05] <wfx> no error nothing
[10:05] <Omoshiroi> lol, right to the point!
[10:05] <whaq_> yeah really
[10:07] <wfx> how do i install the new xfce4.2 and xog?
[10:08] <wfx> xorg
[10:08] <Omoshiroi> lol whaq_ want to hear something messed (windows)
[10:09] <whaq_> Omoshiroi, do tell brother =)
[10:09] <Omoshiroi> I formatted my Sata drive to make space for linux again and just to do a clean slate on it, windows says the drive is p: which is what I set it to, but when I download and get stuff sent to me it says its F:, but in windows I goto P: and the stuff is there :P
[10:11] <whaq_> hehehe how can that happen
[10:11] <Omoshiroi> dunno
[10:11] <whaq_> dude, you have to reboot the PC everytime you copy or move files around in Windows
[10:11] <Omoshiroi> windows set the drive to F as default.
[10:11] <Omoshiroi> and I have rebooted since I did that lol
[10:11] <whaq_> jk, i'm on a winxp workstation, i don't loath it.
[10:11] <Omoshiroi> but it still does the messed up thing
[10:12] <whaq_> haha that's messed up
[10:12] <Omoshiroi> im on an xp station as well.
[10:12] <Omoshiroi> doesnt really matter, im formatting in a few days.
[10:12] <Omoshiroi> friend just has my xp disc.
[10:12] <whaq_> go to computer management and set the partition's drive letter manually?
[10:12] <Omoshiroi> how do you think i set it to p: :P
[10:13] <Omoshiroi> its my programs drive, and misc downloads drive.
[10:13] <Omoshiroi> so P: fits it.
[10:14] <whaq_> hm.. go to safe mode to make sure none of your p2p porn downloaders are hogging the folder, before changing the drive letter?
[10:14] <Omoshiroi> well this was off a fresh boot, and nothing boots on startup.
[10:14] <randabis> lol
[10:15] <Omoshiroi> and my porn downloaders got deleted when I formatted the Programs drive, they are programs :P
[10:15] <whaq_> hehe this is interesting..
[10:15] <Omoshiroi> yeah.
[10:16] <Omoshiroi> windows doesnt do odd stuff like this when you change a drive and its in use, it corrupts the hell outta the drive.
[10:16] <Omoshiroi> trust me, I know.
[10:16] <Omoshiroi> I dont it accidentally once lol
[10:16] <Omoshiroi> done*
[10:16] <whaq_> honto ni omoshiroi, ne?
[10:16] <Omoshiroi> honto ga wakarimasen.
[10:16] <whaq_> haha that's nasty
[10:16] <Omoshiroi> whats nasty?
[10:17] <Omoshiroi> I simply said I dont understand what honto means lol
[10:17] <whaq_> the corruption of microsoft windows
[10:17] <Omoshiroi> you said "honto is interesting isnt it?" but I dont know what honto is.
[10:17] <Omoshiroi> oh windows didnt corrupt windows.
[10:17] <Omoshiroi> it fried the drive.
[10:17] <Omoshiroi> back to futurehshop it went!
[10:17] <whaq_> honto = true\truly
[10:18] <|nexi|> hi
[10:18] <Lowry> hi
[10:18] <^jude^> thanks again for the help guys, I have to be off now
[10:18] <whaq_> bye ^jude^
[10:19] <DaNewB> When I boot my system, I get "keyboard error or no keyboard present" from the BIOS... help!
[10:19] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: do you have a USB keyboard and an old bios
[10:19] <Omoshiroi> is the keyboard plugged in?
[10:19] <|nexi|> have some problems with the distri install, after installing the basics and the reboot it hangs up at mbr ...grubs says error 13 any idea ?
[10:20] <Omoshiroi> sometimes things get accidently unplugged!
[10:20] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, the keyboard is PS/2 but it`s connected through a USB KVM switch
[10:20] <wfx> wow :) gnome is fast the gnome-default-applications-properties app is now ready to use (it takes only ~12min. to start)
[10:20] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, and a USB to PS/2 adapter
[10:21] <da_bon_bon> why is it always "patch -p0 < patch" ? why the p0 ?
[10:21] <Keybuk> da_bon_bon: it's usually -p1 :p  number of bits of the path in the patch to strip
[10:21] <Keybuk> if the patch patches "foo/bar/baz.c", -p0 says to really patch foo/bar/baz.c in the current directory
[10:21] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, was my explanation clear enough?
[10:22] <looksaus> I have a problem with lp; cups is running fine
[10:22] <Keybuk> quite often patches are made from "one directory up", so you want to strip the "foo" bit, thus -p1
[10:22] <da_bon_bon> Keybuk: why would one want to strip it ?
[10:22] <da_bon_bon> oh..
[10:22] <looksaus> won't print
[10:22] <Omoshiroi> im off, bye all
[10:22] <looksaus> when I say lp file.pdf
[10:23] <looksaus> (or whatever)
[10:23] <looksaus> if I say lpq
[10:23] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, as for the BIOS, it`s probably a little old (1.4Ghz P4 system), would upgrading firmaware help
[10:23] <looksaus> I get "lpq: error - no default destination available."
[10:23] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: why not just straight into USB on the PC?
[10:23] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: highly likely
[10:23] <looksaus> (this is on a box upgraded from Debian Sarge to Hoary)
[10:23] <|nexi|> have some problems with the distri install, after installing the basics and the reboot it hangs up at mbr ...grub says error 13 any idea ? <--andy help ?
[10:23] <|nexi|> -d
[10:24] <Keybuk> da_bon_bon: I generally do something like "diff -ruNp foo-1.0~ foo-1.0" to make patches, so if you wanted to apply that inside foo-1.0 you need to strip the first bit of the patch filename
[10:24] <looksaus> /etc/printcap and /var/run/cups/printcap seems to be ok
[10:24] <da_bon_bon> Keybuk: say, i am in the mplayer_src directory, and the file patches avcodec/foo.c in mplayer_src/src dir, then what should i do ? p1 or p0
[10:24] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, wait i`ll try that, good idea. (but the whole point is to be able to use my KVM switch..)
[10:25] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: didn't you say the KVM switch was USB?
[10:29] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, KVM switch is USB but keyboard PS/2, so there is a USB to PS/2 adapter between
[10:29] <HrdwrBoB> um
[10:29] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, not clear?
[10:29] <Lighty> HrdwrBob: Boy, I'm confused by that one!
[10:30] <HrdwrBoB> so keyboard PS/2->-usb->switch->-usb->PC ?
[10:30] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, ya (I think)
[10:31] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, the keyboard works when connected directly to the PS/2 port of the PC (of course)
[10:31] <Lighty> DaNewB: How about getting a USB keyboard to plung into the switch?
[10:31] <HrdwrBoB> er
[10:32] <HrdwrBoB> I'm not sure that you can do that
[10:32] <HrdwrBoB> can you even get adapters for that?
[10:32] <HrdwrBoB> unless the switch does it
[10:32] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, does what, i dont foolow you?
[10:32] <Lighty> HrdwrBob: But he said the switch is USB.
[10:33] <HrdwrBoB> Lighty: yeah that's what I'm confused over
[10:33] <HrdwrBoB> I have never seen PS/2 in USB out converter
[10:33] <Lighty> HrdwrBob: So, it's PS/2 Keyboard into PS/2->USB Adapter into USB KVM Switch into PC's USB port.
[10:33] <HrdwrBoB> yeah that's what I though
[10:33] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: has it worked before
[10:33] <Lighty> I think! :s
[10:34] <DaNewB> Lighty: thats correct
[10:34] <HrdwrBoB> lots of KVM switches with USB are also dodgy
[10:34] <HrdwrBoB> they are just a switching hub
[10:34] <Lighty> So, what if the adapter is eliminated by getting a USB keyboard instead?
[10:34] <HrdwrBoB> that unplugs the devices from one
[10:34] <HrdwrBoB> and plug in the other computer
[10:34] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, hasnt worked before, its new
[10:34] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: can you take a picture of the usb-> ps2 converter?
[10:35] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, BTW the box says "USB KVM switch combines the functions of KVM switch and general USB hub"...
[10:35] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[10:36] <HrdwrBoB> was it cheap?
[10:36] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[10:36] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, average -> 50$ canadian
[10:36] <HrdwrBoB> no, that's cheap
[10:36] <HrdwrBoB> I used to sell KVM switches for a living :)
[10:36] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, no kidding? then I hope you can help me
[10:37] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, the screen works though
[10:37] <Lighty> :)
[10:37] <Hwolf> I've just spent the best 40 euro's ever. :-)
[10:37] <Stew2> What can play MID (midi) files?
[10:37] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: I'm just boggling at this PS/2 USB adapter
[10:37] <Hwolf> Do you all fancy a horror story?
[10:38] <HrdwrBoB> I would recommend using a usb k/b
[10:38] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, i dont have a camera, but it says "USB to 2 PS/2 converter"
[10:38] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: come to HrdwrBoB's for KVM action! ;)
[10:38] <HrdwrBoB> jdub: heh yes :)
[10:39] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, cause you`re supposed to be able to plug both a ps2 keyboard and mouse
[10:39] <HrdwrBoB> jdub: back in the day when you could sell an 8port KVM+cables for $1800AU
[10:39] <HrdwrBoB> or more
[10:39] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: ahh ok now I know what you mean
[10:39] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: easiest eay to test, boot the machine with the keyboard in
[10:40] <HrdwrBoB> then plug the USB thing in with the keyboard once it's booted
[10:40] <HrdwrBoB> and you can see the connected USB devices
[10:40] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, oh I see... wait i`ll try
[10:40] <kleedrac> What's the best news reader to apt-get?
[10:41] <HrdwrBoB> kleedrac: I've previously used pan, I'm not sure what is out there currently, but that was ok
[10:41] <kleedrac> heh ... I've used pan in the past too ... is it in the apt-get repository?
[10:42] <Hwolf> WHoa. OO2 is in!
[10:42] <HrdwrBoB> kleedrac: yes, and it's in main
[10:42] <kleedrac> Great ... thanks HrdwrBoB :)
[10:42] <kleedrac> lata
[10:45] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, linux booted, now how do I check USB devices
[10:46] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, BTW my mouse is pluged in KVM switch and doesnt work
[10:47] <HrdwrBoB> hrm ok
[10:47] <HrdwrBoB> dmesg will show you recent kernel messages
[10:50] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, there is a few lines about "USB hub found" "2 ports detected" etc.
[10:50] <wfx> hihih!!! i do a open image (eog) from nautilus and now it is open (takes only ~45min.)
[10:50] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: well that looks good
[10:50] <HrdwrBoB> that would be your KVM
[10:51] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, hmm, but mouse is connected to KVM (through USB->PS2 converter) yet not working
[10:51] <HrdwrBoB> do you have any USB devices that are really USB
[10:51] <HrdwrBoB> and does the converter work if it's plugged into the PC
[10:52] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, I have a USB joystick and a mouse (but it`s the one on this coputer, duh!)
[10:53] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB I tried booting with keyboard through converter (but no KVM switch) and same result - error
[10:53] <Stew2> Any way to play MIDI files on ubuntu?
[10:54] <knghtbrd> Timidity++ may be in universe?
[10:54] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: plug the joystick into the KVM
[10:54] <knghtbrd> yeah
[10:54] <saad> excellent: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/iProduct.gif
[10:54] <knghtbrd> don't use the Timidity patches though
[10:54] <knghtbrd> get yourself a soundfont
[10:54] <Stew2> knghtbrd. Yes, but it says I don't have a /etc/timidity.cfg
[10:55] <knghtbrd> oh, that's probably in the patches package
[10:55] <knghtbrd> do you have a soundfont?
[10:55] <knghtbrd> like the one that came with an Audigy or Live or something?
[10:55] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB joystick - done
[10:55] <Stew2> I have no idea what a soundfont is.
[10:55] <knghtbrd> .sf2 files from Creative Labs soundcards
[10:56] <Stew2> And put them where?
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: AND IT CAME UP. RIGHT?
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> sorry caps, kitten is attacking
[10:56] <Stew2> Does Ubuntu come with a FTPD running?
[10:56] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB ya, in the device manager
[10:56] <knghtbrd> Stew2: running, no
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> so therefor, your USB ps/2 converter is shagged
[10:56] <looksaus> Stew2, now you know why I'm thinking of setting up a "MIDI support for Gstreamer" bounty
[10:56] <Stew2> knghtbrd Cause I could play this on the windows machine, if I setup the FTP Daemon.
[10:57] <looksaus> I personally don't have a problem setting up MIDI on Linux
[10:57] <looksaus> but there are so many people who do
[10:57] <HrdwrBoB> saad: that has nothing on the http://hrdwrbob.net/pics/geek/number9.jpg
[10:57] <Stew2> knghtbrd What, is there an FAQ on setting up the FTPD on ubuntu?
[10:57] <knghtbrd> running on localhost: ssh, smtp, rpcbind (why the hell?), ipp, tcp/810 (?), tcp/967 (?), and dict (because I installed dictd)
[10:58] <HrdwrBoB> knghtbrd: rpc on localhost only
[10:58] <knghtbrd> HrdwrBoB: ah, I didn't try the interface
[10:58] <HrdwrBoB> by default, ubuntu has no externally listening ports
[10:59] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB but it came with the KVM switch for that purpose. Er? :(
[10:59] <knghtbrd> yeah, on the interface is ssh, dict, and 967, whatever 967 is
[10:59] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: if it doesn't work when you plug it in, then it's broken.. you can take it back to them :)
[10:59] <HrdwrBoB> take it back, get one that does work
[11:00] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, unless it needs extra software for this feature to work? is that likely?
[11:00] <HrdwrBoB> no
[11:00] <HrdwrBoB> if it needs software it's broken
[11:00] <HrdwrBoB> even if it needs software, it'll come up as attached
[11:01] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, well the FutureShop guy did mention (quietly so I wouldnt hear) that it might need software from website or something..
[11:01] <icerogue> after i change the interfaces file is there a way to restart my lan connection with out restarting
[11:02] <Stew2> I got it. I'm just goina install apache2
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: that's a bunch of garbage
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: I would wager that he's not much idea of what he's talking about
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> *got
[11:03] <HrdwrBoB> the whole point of a KVM switch is that it's a hardware solution
[11:03] <HrdwrBoB> every usb device, supported or not, will still come up as plugged in
[11:04] <Hwolf> hrdwrbob, hardware solutions are the best. I've just circumvented hours of trying to get pppoe up by buying a cheapish router. :-D
[11:04] <Hwolf> :-)
[11:04] <HrdwrBoB> not to mention there's a standard keyboard and mouse USB HIG
[11:04] <jdub> haha
[11:04] <jdub> HID
[11:04] <HrdwrBoB> HID
[11:04] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, ya you must be right
[11:04] <jdub> you been typing HIG too much? :)
[11:04] <HrdwrBoB> heh must be on the brain :)
[11:05] <HrdwrBoB> comes down to muscle memoery vs thinking ;)
[11:05] <HrdwrBoB> think HID write HIG
[11:06] <mchasard> please i'm under ubuntu 4.1
[11:06] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, im just afraid they give me another one and it still doesnt work...
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: test it on a PC in the store
[11:06] <mchasard> and i dont find the way to save configuration on a usb key ?
[11:07] <mchasard> for a live cd use
[11:07] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, you`re crazy, FutureShop, they have no time for 1 customer!
[11:07] <mchasard> this feature exist or not ?
[11:07] <Stew2> Where's a good setup guide for configuring Apache2 in Ubuntu?
[11:07] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: tell them this one doesn't work, and insist on it being tested on an instore PC before you leave
[11:07] <Lowry> any ppc users on/
[11:07] <knghtbrd> apparently I'm not the first person to ask what port 967 is, without an answer
[11:08] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB, well thanks for the advice :)
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> that's ok
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> knghtbrd: what is using it
[11:08] <knghtbrd> Not sure
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> knghtbrd: fuser -vn tcp 967
[11:09] <mchasard> so could you give me some information about ubuntu configuration save ?
[11:09] <mchasard> is it possible ?
[11:09] <knghtbrd> thank you, I was trying to remember that--fuser is what I wanted
[11:09] <HrdwrBoB> Stew2: http://ubuntuguide.org/#apachehttpserver
[11:09] <HrdwrBoB> that's not really overly useful, but apache is the same all round
[11:09] <knghtbrd> 967/tcp              root       4601 f....  rpc.statd
[11:09] <knghtbrd> what was that about no open ports?  =)
[11:10] <HrdwrBoB> knghtbrd: no open *external* ports
[11:10] <mchasard> ubuntu 4.1 is the same than gnoppix 0.8.2 warty ?
[11:10] <knghtbrd> that's external
[11:10] <knghtbrd> along with ssh and dict (which are both my fault)
[11:10] <HrdwrBoB> knghtbrd: netstat -an|grep 967
[11:10] <jdub> knghtbrd: nfs-common is not installed by default
[11:10] <mchasard> hum
[11:11] <knghtbrd> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:967             0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
[11:11] <mchasard> thanks for all ...
[11:11] <knghtbrd> well I didn't select it for install
[11:11] <mchasard> ;-(
[11:11] <HrdwrBoB> mchasard: sorry about that
[11:11] <knghtbrd> although I'm about to select it for UNinstall
[11:11] <HrdwrBoB> mchasard: no-one really uses the liveCD
[11:11] <HrdwrBoB> that I've seen
[11:12] <knghtbrd> ahh, I know how it got there.  It's priority standard
[11:12] <icerogue> ok is it sad that i have a system siting right next to me and i am using ssh from this machine to get to it?
[11:12] <jdub> mchasard: yeah, the warty live cd is the same as the gnoppix livecd labelled warty
[11:12] <knghtbrd> standard packages get installed.
[11:12] <mchasard> hum i ll believed that there was a way to save the cofiguration on a usb key like knoppix can do
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> icerogue: no I do that all the time
[11:12] <mchasard> even the design change for gnoppix
[11:12] <jdub> knghtbrd: nup. something installed it for you.
[11:13] <jdub> knghtbrd: but it's not on a default install.
[11:13] <knghtbrd> jdub: dselect did, because it's priority standard.
[11:13] <knghtbrd> new + standard == install
[11:13] <jdub> "don't do that"
[11:13] <knghtbrd> what, use dselect?
[11:13] <mchasard> ok ...i have to search on the forum perhaps ...
[11:13] <mchasard> bye thanks
[11:15] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: can you go there now? nfi what time is is in canadia
[11:15] <dud> [OS]  Debian 3.1; Kernel 2.6.9DUD (80 processes)
[11:16] <HrdwrBoB> dud: please don't do that
[11:16] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB: 5:16 AM
[11:17] <HrdwrBoB> oh, hah
[11:17] <HrdwrBoB> joke's on me
[11:18] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB: ugh! it always takes hours at FutureShop! and it`s far >:(
[11:18] <icerogue> ok that is sad when it asks for the cd and i can just reach over and insert it (while using ssh)
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: which is why you get it tested in the store :)
[11:20] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB: seriously i think they prefer reimbursing me than doing that!
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> DaNewB: haha, I wouldn't know, luckily we don't have futureshop in .au
[11:21] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB: ooooh.. and i almost forgot, they had only 2 left (including mine)
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> ah
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> ok that might present a slight problem
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> go and yell at them anyway
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> demand the up spec product as a replacement
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> tell them their service is shoddy
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> if you crack it in the middle of the store, the manager will ofer you almost anything
[11:23] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB: im sure their bouncers will through me out like a dog
[11:23] <DaNewB> lol
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> well, have fun, I'm off, fiance demands WoW time
[11:23] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB: anyways i`ll take a chance, and if it doesnt work, i might buy a USB mouse and keybooard from A >DIFFERENT< store!
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> yeah good move :)
[11:25] <DaNewB> HrdwrBoB: but this Cicero KVM switch looks good otherwise... if i give it back, do you have any suggestions on which model is best (at reasonable price)?
[11:28] <whaq_> i bought one of those oem usb to 2 ps/2 converters for mac, didn't work at all
[11:28] <whaq_> ok
[11:29] <DaNewB> whaq_: ok?
[11:31] <DaNewB> whaq_: so maybe mine is not really broken, it`s just...sucks?
[11:32] <knghtbrd> NYT: ICANN sucks, read all about it  ;)
[11:33] <icerogue> anyone know how to setup vertual users in courier?
[11:34] <whaq_> DaNewB, sorry? please disregard that
[11:34] <DaNewB> knghtbrd: sory but were you saying that to me? (I also said "sucks")
[11:37] <icerogue> ok how do you check your disk space, liek how much you have left on a partition
[11:38] <dwa_> df -h
[11:38] <icerogue> thanks
[11:39] <icerogue> wow i have pretty much a complete web/mail/ftp server running in 800 MB
[11:39] <icerogue> 841MB to be exact
[11:51] <icerogue> man i love synaptic
[11:52] <icerogue> almost as good as portage
[11:53] <broodster> can someone answer me really quick?
[11:53] <broodster> how do i burn a music cd???
[11:53] <DaNewB> broodster see the wiki
[11:54] <DaNewB> broodster that was quick, eh? :D
[11:55] <broodster> uhh
[11:55] <Omoshiroi> Hello.
[11:56] <DaNewB> broodster search on ubuntulinux.org in the wiki
[11:57] <Outlander> does ubuntu boot and install from a dvd drive yet? i had issues when i tried it some months ago
[11:57] <Omoshiroi> I am trying to get ndiswrapper working, however, the references I have found tell me to use Synaptic, but synamptic doesnt see ndiswrapper on the CD, the reason I want ndiswrapper is because I dont have a nic other than the onboard one that isnt being loaded off install, I actually dont even know what module I would load to get it to work but know what chipset it uses.
[11:57] <Outlander> normal cd but booted in a dvd drive, it seemed it couldnt detect the dvd drive properly
[11:58] <broodster> danewb can u just give me instructions? im in a rush
[11:59] <Omoshiroi> im not sure exactly where dpkg would place the source that I found online...
[12:00] <broodster> k screw this gonna burn it on windows
[12:00] <broodster> thx anyways
[12:01] <DaNewB> broodster http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AudioCDCreation
[12:01] <DaNewB> ooop
[12:01] <Omoshiroi> does anyone know a good place to find debian packages?
[12:02] <Keybuk> Omoshiroi: the Ubuntu "universe" section
[12:03] <Omoshiroi> Ubuntu "universe" section???
[12:04] <MM2> Omoshiroi: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:04] <Omoshiroi> I dont have network to begin with, this is why im on windows, dual boot machine.
[12:05] <Omoshiroi> if you can give me a path as to where my source went to that would be great, then I can just compile it, if not it went to some void that I will never know and ill download a tar.gz :P
[12:06] <Omoshiroi> cuz the only .deb file I found was a source file. and it didnt seem like dpkg took long enough to compile it, and I dont think it does anyways.
[12:06] <Omoshiroi> im new to debian.
[12:07] <seb128> somebody able to reproduce the panel/nautilus/vfs lock in hoary here ?
[12:07] <seb128> I've put patched packages that might fix the issue: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/vfs/ ... any feedback would be welcome
[12:07] <Omoshiroi> well, seems like no one has an answer so ill be off with my normal source, just like I would in slackware to compile from source lol.
[12:08] <DaNewB> Omoshiroi: you`re not supposed to download .deb files yourself, use Synaptic or apt-get
[12:08] <Omoshiroi> lack of network...
[12:08] <Omoshiroi> which is why I want ndiswrapper.
[12:08] <DaNewB> Omoshiroi: you have the .deb file you want?
[12:08] <Omoshiroi> yes.
[12:08] <Omoshiroi> it says its a source file though
[12:09] <Omoshiroi> so I assume I still have to compile it.
[12:09] <Omoshiroi> dont know how debian works with that.
[12:09] <DaNewB> Omoshiroi: yes, but not with make, etc.
[12:09] <DaNewB> Omoshiroi: i think it`s something like apt-build file.src.deb
[12:09] <Omoshiroi> ok thanks.
[12:09] <Omoshiroi> I tried dpkg -i file.src.deb
[12:10] <Omoshiroi> ill go try that apt-build command and see if it works, if not ill be back.
[12:11] <Cube-ness> hey.. My networking just stopped working.. my local lan is 192.168.0.x.. i have a gateway at 192.168.0.1 that connects me to 192.168.254.x.. which is where the dsl router/modem is..  For some reason i can now only reach 192.168.0.x computers, 192.168.254.x gives "network unreachable"..how can i resolve this?
[12:14] <mjg59> Cube-ness: How are you getting addresses?
[12:15] <grd> is it possible to install gparted on warty?
[12:15] <Cube-ness> mjg59, static.. i just did route -n and i see that its not setting the gateway
[12:17] <grd> and if so, how... I'm a quite new to the ubuntu and debian worlds, but trying to run dpkg on the .deb package lists libparted1.6-12 as prereq which isn't avaliable in the package database..
[12:19] <mewkat> new to ubuntu
[12:19] <mewkat> how do I close X server?
[12:19] <mewkat> init 3 doesn't work
[12:19] <Cube-ness> btw.. how do i restart the networking in ubuntu?
[12:19] <mewkat> how do I close xserver in ubuntu? init 3 doesn't work
[12:19] <mjg59> Cube-ness: ifdown -a; ifup -a
[12:20] <seb128> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:20] <mewkat> need to isntall nVidiadriver
[12:20] <Cube-ness> mjg59, ok..now why is my compute failing to get a gateway set?
[12:20] <mjg59> mewkat: invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[12:20] <mjg59> Cube-ness: Have you checked it's set in the network preferences tool?
[12:20] <tnvu> any ubuntu amd64 users? i'm having trouble using the expert installer mode -- at the install base system stage and selecting my kernel fails
[12:21] <tnvu> i'm good w/ debian and want to use ubuntu for the amd64 support
[12:21] <Cube-ness> mjg59, yes.. when i tries the ifdown, i get an error about too few params for the iface line
[12:22] <mjg59> Cube-ness: Sounds like your /etc/network/interfaces file has got mangled somehow
[12:22] <jdub> tnvu: don't use the expert mode. it's pants.
[12:22] <jdub> tnvu: there's really no need. :)
[12:22] <outsider1> whats the differnece between multiverse and universe?
[12:22] <jdub> outsider1: multiverse is contrib/non-free
[12:22] <DaNewB> mewkat, ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:23] <Cube-ness> got it fixed.. hehe
[12:23] <grd> is there somebody that can help me, or should I turn elsewhere?
[12:24] <DaNewB> grd, you asked something?
[12:24] <tnvu> bah, so used to expert from debian, let's try the magic install :)
[12:24] <grd> DaNewB, yep.. about installing gparted...
[12:25] <grd> I've tried downloading the deb files from gparteds homepage, but they list a higher version of libparted than whats avaliable, so I'm wondering where to go next...
[12:26] <outsider1> to change the server NTP updates from, do i edit /etc/defaults/ntpdate
[12:31] <Cube-ness> mjg59, all the iface lines were missing an arg.. static/dhcp part.. i have NO idea how they all get stripped
[12:31] <raghu> how to find version of package??
[12:31] <grd> DaNewB, where do I go for help?
[12:32] <mjg59> Cube-ness: Weird
[12:32] <DaNewB> grd, here they also give the required libparted http://gparted.sourceforge.net/download.php
[12:32] <Cube-ness> yeah
[12:32] <Cube-ness> very
[12:32] <DaNewB> grd, did you try that?
[12:32] <grd> DaNewB, and it's safe to just replace the existing?
[12:33] <Cube-ness> i am running hoary.. i an do notice that the network config app is differnet.. maybe its to blame somehow
[12:33] <Cube-ness> different in a recent update i did
[12:33] <raghu> how to find version of package??.....if it is yet to be installed means??
[12:34] <DaNewB> grd, no idea, but they say they have ubuntu packages on their homepage
[12:35] <Omoshiroi> has anyone used ndiswrapper here?
[12:36] <Omoshiroi> or installed rather.
[12:36] <DaNewB> Omoshiroi, did you find out about apt-build?
[12:36] <Omoshiroi> its apt-get source but it didnt work.
[12:36] <vpalle> im trying to set up mu PATH variable som that I can use alt-F2 in gnome and run commands from ~/bin.. how would i do that?
[12:37] <Omoshiroi> vpalle, every linux distro I have used if you press ctrl+alt+Fx it will bring you to a terminal.
[12:37] <DaNewB> vpalle, the "export" command might be what you want
[12:38] <abelli> jdub: ding
[12:38] <icerogue> wow i just doubled the length of the postfix config file
[12:38] <jdub> abelli: pong
[12:39] <DaNewB> vpalle, just *might* (im a confused newb)
[12:39] <vpalle> Ive added export PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}" to .bash_profile and .bashrc
[12:39] <vpalle> which is for interactive and login shells
[12:39] <vpalle> but gnome is completely ignoring it
[12:39] <Omoshiroi> DaNewB, I think I found what I needed looking in the man page online, thanks for directing me to someplace where it might be.
[12:40] <vpalle> gnome-terminal is not
[12:40] <DaNewB> Omoshiroi, hey, np
[12:40] <vpalle> ive also tryied adding it to /etc/profile without any luck..
[12:40] <abelli> jdub: what about the mailing list, im the country l* now
[12:40] <Omoshiroi> I need to do a apt-get --no-download -b package.deb
[12:40] <jdub> abelli: what's your preferred admin address?
[12:41] <Omoshiroi> well ill be back if things dont work to ask more, and if it does work ill be back in linux ;)
[12:41] <abelli> andrea@ubuntuitalia.org
[12:42] <grd> DaNewB, it installs at least... wonder how I missed that link... well, thanks for pointing it out
[12:42] <DaNewB> grd, cool, im always proud (as a n00b) of helping others :)
[12:43] <abelli_> jdub: sorry.. a powerdown..
[12:46] <Albi78> hi guys!
[12:46] <Albi78> can anyone tell me how can I acces my usb flash disk?
[12:47] <MM2> Albi78: just plug it in?
[12:48] <Albi78> i pulged it in, but nothing happens, in the device manager shows up, but how do I acces it?
[12:51] <DaNewB> Albi78, no icon appears on desktop?
[12:51] <Albi78> nope
[12:51] <Albi78> I tried to mount it but it doesn't work like other linux... not very good at this... it used to be /mnt/removable...
[12:52] <fmazoit> hello there
[12:52] <MM2> Albi78: try /media/sda1
[12:52] <fmazoit> I have a problem with the bugzilla system
[12:53] <Albi78> I have only cdrom, cdrom0, floppy, floppy0
[12:53] <fmazoit> can anybody help me report that bug or report it for me?
[12:56] <MM2> Albi78: my stick will appear on desktop from /media/sda1... :/
[12:56] <Omoshiroi> ok, not quite working but at least in my search I found some installation instructions.
[12:56] <Albi78> it's very odd that the device is detected but not mounted... I can see it in the device manager
[12:58] <Albi78> k, I'll try rebooting the machine
[01:02] <fmazoit> :(
[01:02] <fmazoit> then no bug report
[01:02] <fmazoit> bye bye
[01:05] <albi78> nope, it is still not working
[01:05] <albi78> I,ve seen some services with fatal error at boot-up
[01:05] <albi78> pciehp and shchp... something with hotplug...
[01:06] <albi78> can it be the reason for my flash disk not working?
[01:06] <MM2> hotplug sounds bad
[01:06] <MM2> I think it loads modules to USB devices
[01:06] <DaNewB> is gpdf better than xpdf?
[01:07] <albi78> how can I find out why those services fail?
[01:09] <DaNewB> nvm gpdf ~= xpdf
[01:09] <MM2> albi78: too old motherboard?
[01:09] <albi78> it is old :)
[01:09] <MM2> that could be it
[01:09] <MM2> linux is not windows :(
[01:10] <gen> thank god.
[01:10] <gen> and no shit.
[01:11] <albi78> mandrake worked fine...
[01:11] <mjg59> albi78: pciehp and shchp are only present on high-end hardware
[01:11] <jdub> DaNewB: we shipped xpdf because it handled more pdf types that gpdf did in 2.8
[01:11] <mjg59> They'll fail to load on most machines. That doesn't hurt anything
[01:11] <jdub> DaNewB: that should be fully rectified in 2.10
[01:11] <albi78> so nothing to do with my flashdisk not working?
[01:12] <mjg59> albi78: Nope
[01:12] <DaNewB> jdub, that's fine, i can wait :)
[01:14] <DaNewB> jdub, since you're in the know, is there some good free pdf maker for Linux?
[01:14] <albi78> then why can't I acces my flash disk?
[01:14] <jdub> DaNewB: you can print pdfs from OOo
[01:14] <MM2> DaNewB: ps2pdf?
[01:15] <jdub> DaNewB: you can convert postscript output to pdf with ps2pdf
[01:15] <jdub> DaNewB: that covers pretty much everything
[01:15] <DaNewB> jdub, MM2: ok then, cool
[01:15] <jdub> DaNewB: you can make a samba pdf 'printer' for windows clients to use, that will email back the results. that's really handy for windows clients in offices.
[01:16] <mjr> yeah
[01:16] <DaNewB> jdub, thats too much for my needs, but nice tip
[01:16] <jdub> this is FOSS dude
[01:17] <jdub> it's totally hardcore :)
[01:17] <albi78> mjg59: my flash disk is detected in device manager but i can't acces it, it isn\t mounted
[01:17] <mjr> though ps2pdf often doesn't make "optimal" pdf, it's good enough for most things
[01:17] <jdub> DaNewB: wait until i tell you about fax printing against a 20000 modem fax farm with hylafax!
[01:17] <MM2> jdub: is there a documentation about that pdf printing?
[01:18] <jdub> MM2: there are heaps of scripts around, check google: samba pdf printer
[01:18] <DaNewB> jdub, you freak ;)
[01:18] <jdub> you might find a couple of mine ;)
[01:18] <jdub> DaNewB: actually, for a really cool hack, google for: slug jdub gdm vnc
[01:18] <jdub> i think that'll find it
[01:19] <jdub> hah, so it does
[01:20] <mjr> jdub, nice
[01:21] <mjr> (but I'd still like encryption added into the fray)
[01:21] <mjr> 'course, ssh redirects will do, but not really handy that way
[01:21] <nad> hi, when is the next ubuntu release due ? .. the faq dont say
[01:22] <dud> ubuntu has a 6 months release cycle doesnt it?
[01:23] <nad> dud: the last one was in october ..so the next is due in .. a 6 weeks ?
[01:23] <jdub> nad: march for preview, april for final
[01:23] <nad> good math
[01:24] <jdub> nad: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[01:24] <nad> jdub: thnx
[01:25] <albi78> guys! any idea why my usb flash disk isn't mounted? but it shows up in the device manager
[01:26] <jdub> albi78: is gnome-volume-manager running?
[01:28] <cef> hey, what's the ubuntu equiv package of xlibmesa-glu in debian (don't have an ubuntu box to check this atm - when will there be a packages.ubuntu.org ??)?
[01:28] <albi78> JDUB: how can I find out?
[01:31] <ogra> albi78: ps ax|grep volume
[01:33] <hbos> xlibmesa-glu exists in ubuntu cef
[01:33] <hbos> in main even
[01:33] <cef> hbos: ahh cool. wandering thru the archive's pool directory wasn't helping
[01:33] <hbos> cef apt-cache search xlibmesa did the trick for me:)
[01:34] <hbos> i must note that i'm using hoary on this box, but no idea if that matter for this package
[01:37] <cef> there's a -dev package too I'm guessing?
[01:37] <albi78> running that command gives me this:
[01:37] <albi78>  3971 ?        Ss     0:00 gnome-volume-manager --sm-client-id default5
[01:38] <albi78> so it's working right?
[01:38] <cef> hbos: my new laptop has still not yet arrived (at this rate, it'll be totally obsolete by the time I get it), so stuck on debian on this old hunk of junk for the moment
[01:38] <Omoshiroi> Hi, Still having issues with ndiswrapper.
[01:39] <Omoshiroi> but it seems it may be a ubuntu issue and not a ndiswrapper issue...
[01:40] <Omoshiroi> does anyone know where the kernel sources are placed when ubuntu is installed?
[01:40] <Omoshiroi> this is the error I get when I run a make install like I am supposed to
[01:40] <Omoshiroi> make -C driver install
[01:40] <Omoshiroi> make[1] : Entering directory `/usr/src/ndiswrapper-0.12/driver'
[01:40] <Omoshiroi> Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build;
[01:40] <Omoshiroi>   give the path to kernel sources with KSRC=<path> argument to make
[01:40] <Omoshiroi> make[1] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/ndiswrapper-0.12/driver'
[01:40] <cef> hbos: only reason I really queried it is because xlibmesa-glu in debian references xfree86, and I wasn't sure if it was still there in hoary
[01:41] <ogra> Omoshiroi: ndiswrapper is included in ubuntu, no need to colpie it yourself
[01:41] <dud> you have to install the kernel source with apt-get Omoshiroi
[01:42] <ogra> compile even
[01:42] <Omoshiroi> ogra, its not on the CD...
[01:42] <dud> or cold pie
[01:42] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper/
[01:43] <Omoshiroi> ogra, been there done that doesnt work.
[01:43] <ogra> Omoshiroi: its in the restricted modules package and additionally needs the ndiswrapper-utils
[01:43] <Omoshiroi> which requires network access doesnt it?
[01:43] <ogra> Omoshiroi: it works for all the other ppl
[01:44] <Omoshiroi> ogra, if you know how to get it working, give some instructions and Ill do it, but as far as I can see, its not there.
[01:44] <ogra> Omoshiroi: you probably need to download the package and copy it over from anoter machine, like you did with the source package you try to compile.....
[01:44] <Omoshiroi> from another machine... same machine, dual boot.
[01:45] <ogra> Omoshiroi: thats what i meant
[01:45] <Omoshiroi> what is it that I need to get then?
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[01:45] <ogra> Omoshiroi: the matching linux-restricted-mopdules package for your running kernel
[01:46] <Omoshiroi> so in synaptic just do a search for linux or what?
[01:46] <ogra> Omoshiroi: and ndiswrapper-utils
[01:46] <ogra> Omoshiroi: look for linux and for restricted.....
[01:46] <Omoshiroi> as I said.
[01:46] <Omoshiroi> ndiswrapper is not on the cd
[01:46] <Omoshiroi> I did a search
[01:46] <Omoshiroi> which is why I am trying to source compile it.
[01:47] <Omoshiroi> you need network to be able to access the repository, which I dont have.
[01:47] <ogra> Omoshiroi: its much cleverer to use the packaged ones, else you need to recompile ndiswrapper on kernel upgrades
[01:47] <Omoshiroi> ogra, I would if I had network, which is why I want ndiswrapper...
[01:48] <ogra> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1/
[01:49] <ogra> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-utils_0.10-1_i386.deb
[01:51] <Omoshiroi> is there any diff between the  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386_2.6.8.1.3-4_i386.deb and the  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-4-386_2.6.8.1.3-5_i386.deb?
[01:51] <larsrohdin> HI
[01:52] <larsrohdin> does someone know how to play movieclips in fullscreen mode in mplayer?
[01:53] <Omoshiroi> ogra, is that all I need is those two packages?
[01:53] <Omoshiroi> so just dpkg -i those two packages and I should be good?
[01:54] <ogra> Omoshiroi: you install them with dpkg -i <packagename.deb> then :)
[01:54] <ogra> Omoshiroi: if you have them installed follow the instructions in the doc
[01:54] <Omoshiroi> ok
[01:54] <Omoshiroi> ill be back if things dont work again.
[01:55] <ZzeCoOl> aahahahaha
[01:55] <ZzeCoOl> print screen working at ubuntu
[01:55] <ZzeCoOl> i notice by an accident right now
[01:55] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[01:56] <ZzeCoOl> noticed
[01:56] <ZzeCoOl> yeah
[01:56] <ZzeCoOl> ubuntu?? i mean "hoary"
[01:58] <larsrohdin> does someone know how to play movieclips in fullscreen mode in mplayer?
[01:58] <netmonk> pressing "F", i think
[01:59] <larsrohdin> yes, the window gets big, but the movie is still small
[01:59] <icerogue> does anyone know much about mysql here?
[02:01] <DaNewB> larsrohdin, maybe the aspect ratio? just a guess
[02:04] <larsrohdin> how to change the aspect ratio then?
[02:04] <DaNewB> larsrohdin, check in the menu, somewhere..
[02:05] <larsrohdin> a menu in mplayer?
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[02:05] <DaNewB> larsrohdin, oh you use the commandline interface?
[02:05] <larsrohdin> i don't... there's no menu at least
[02:05] <DaNewB> what the?
[02:06] <zeedo> lol @ File Server
[02:06] <ZzeCoOl> Which is the best for u guys MPLAYER >>> or <<< XINE and WHY?
[02:07] <DaNewB> larsrohdin, xine cause better GUI front-ends
[02:07] <DaNewB> larsrohdin, that was for ZzeCoOl
[02:07] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:08] <larsrohdin> ok... but what should i do?
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> DaNewB :) morning
[02:08] <DaNewB> ZzeCoOl, hey :)
[02:08] <DaNewB> larsrohdin, how do you start mplayer?
[02:08] <larsrohdin> i open a movie file, using "open with"
[02:08] <ZzeNewB> ZzeCoOl, lol
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> ahhh
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> ahh
[02:08] <ZzeCoOl> :)
[02:09] <larsrohdin> nice
[02:09] <DaCoOl> hehe
[02:09] <ZzeNewB> ZzeCoOl, hah
[02:09] <DaCoOl> :>
[02:09] <ZzeNewB> oops
[02:09] <larsrohdin> how should i open it?
[02:10] <ZzeNewB> DaCoOl, i meant this
[02:10] <DaCoOl> ZzeNewB what?
[02:10] <ZzeNewB> larsrohdin, but which program do you select in open with?
[02:11] <larsrohdin> mplayer
[02:11] <ZzeNewB> DaCoOl, nothing, but hey, this is confusing, ill change back...
[02:11] <DaCoOl> ok
[02:11] <DaNewB> ZzeCoOl, we're back to normal. aaaaahh..
[02:11] <ZzeCoOl> ... Axxx
[02:11] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[02:12] <DaNewB> larsrohdin, try gmplayer
[02:12] <ZzeCoOl> strange i have tryied to install mplayer right now
[02:12] <DaNewB> ZzeCoOl, and there is no gmplayer, right?
[02:12] <ZzeCoOl> and it wants to remove lame encoding... for mp3
[02:12] <ZzeCoOl> no no
[02:13] <larsrohdin> ok
[02:13] <DaNewB> larsrohdin, you tried? it worked?
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> it seams that it is using he own codecs that conflicts with lame codecs
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> "lame" <----mp3 codec
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> :> just in case
[02:14] <larsrohdin> just the same... no menu
[02:14] <DaNewB> ZzeCoOl, i know 8-)
[02:14] <ZzeCoOl> <.<
[02:14] <ZzeCoOl> >.>
[02:14] <ZzeCoOl> O_O
[02:14] <LePiaf> sorry ppl, are there any ubuntu "officials" here, have some very wicked problem with customs/post offices here
[02:14] <ZzeCoOl> DaNewB O_<'
[02:15] <jdub> LePiaf: yeah?
[02:15] <DaNewB> larsrohdin, well try pressing keys... perhaps "m" or right-click on the window
[02:15] <DaNewB> larsrohdin, thing is I dont have mplayer right now, I used too long ado
[02:15] <larsrohdin> ok, ill try that
[02:16] <larsrohdin> no, nothin...
[02:16] <larsrohdin> do you think i should try xine instead?
[02:17] <ZzeCoOl> j/k
[02:17] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:17] <DaNewB> ZzeCoOl, I should widen my repertoire of smileys
[02:17] <ZzeCoOl> hehe
[02:17] <ZzeCoOl> yes
[02:18] <DaNewB> larsrohdin, well Totem+Xine, try that
[02:18] <ZzeCoOl> there are 4 or 5 guys here that helps a lot
[02:19] <larsrohdin> im gonna try to download some extra multimedia plugins i found...
[02:19] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: the financial departments Presidenttt """"jdub"""" ????
 j/k
[02:20] <larsrohdin> what should i download to make totem-xine work then? because the player that came with the installation wont play my movieclips...
[02:21] <larsrohdin> ok, another question... whats the command line for switchdesk in ubuntu?
[02:21] <DaNewB> larsrohdin, apt-get install totem-xine
[02:21] <larsrohdin> ok, but isn't that the player that comes with ubuntu?
[02:21] <ZzeCoOl> DaNewB if you install totem-xine at hoary it removes ubuntu-desktop
[02:22] <ZzeCoOl> O_o
[02:22] <DaNewB> larsrohdin, you're on Warty, right?
[02:22] <omoshiroi> ogra thanks for the links.
[02:22] <larsrohdin> think so=) installed it yesterday
[02:22] <ogra> omoshiroi: did it work ?
[02:22] <DaNewB> larsrohdin, if you dont know, then you are
[02:22] <larsrohdin> lol ok
[02:22] <omoshiroi> well, im in ubunto now ;)
[02:22] <ZzeCoOl> ahh yeah another ogra thing!!! I hate u cause your knowledge :))))))))
[02:23] <ogra> omoshiroi: yeah
[02:23] <omoshiroi> only thing I had forgotten was my damn ssid lol
[02:23] <HostingGeek> whats the gnome pop3 checking applet called?
[02:23] <omoshiroi> so I had to goto windows to check what I had set it to :P
[02:23] <DaNewB> larsrohdin, no it's the same front-end (totem) but a different back-end(xine) than what comes with ubuntu
[02:24] <ZzeCoOl> HostingGeek just install gdesklet..... there are much more beautifull
[02:24] <larsrohdin> ok, ill give it a shot...
[02:24] <HostingGeek> ZzeCoOl: no i want a applet so i can see it in my panel
[02:24] <ZzeCoOl> aha
[02:24] <ZzeCoOl> wait a sec
[02:24] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: the ubuntu-desktop pkg is only a empty meta package that is needed for clean updates between stable versions....you can safely remove it until you upgrade to the next stable releas
[02:25] <ZzeCoOl> aha
[02:25] <larsrohdin> when the next ubuntu version comes, will i have to install it or can i upgrade this version?
[02:25] <ZzeCoOl> thanx
[02:25] <AzN_devil> File Server Online Triggers:/ctcp AzN_devil !phone shit  /ctcp AzN_devil !uiq-shit Sends:0/10 Queues:0/40 Accessed:0 times Online:0/5 RCPS:0 cps by n/a Served:0B in 0 files Current BW:0 cps AQT:No Wait MOTD: -= stfu if u cant get in =-
[02:25] <ogra> larsrohdin: upgrade...
[02:25] <DaNewB> larsrohdin, you can update!
[02:25] <larsrohdin> ok, nice
[02:25] <ogra> larsrohdin: either form the Cd or from the net
[02:25] <larsrohdin> what about upgrading programs like open office?
[02:25] <DaNewB> larsrohdin, you might also want to apt-get install w32codecs
[02:26] <larsrohdin> thats the codecs im installing right now
[02:26] <jdub> HostingGeek: are you on hoary?
[02:26] <HostingGeek> yes
[02:26] <jdub> ok, n/m
[02:26] <jdub> the mailcheck applet was removed in 2.10
[02:26] <HostingGeek> jdub: why?
[02:27] <eruin> anyone here sometimes have the problem that gnome panel doesn't load properly? (ie just displays as a gray blob)
[02:27] <omoshiroi> anyone know why I am now getting stuff saying apt-get couldnt stat packages?
[02:27] <ogra> HostingGeek: because there will be something better
[02:27] <jdub> HostingGeek: because the maintainer wanted to
[02:27] <HostingGeek> jdub: i need something like it
[02:27] <HostingGeek> but to be in the panel
[02:27] <HostingGeek> i don't want to leave evolution open....
[02:28] <HostingGeek> well will there be a replacement in gnome 2.10
[02:28] <jdub> try flink
[02:28] <eruin> what do you need?
[02:28] <jdub> no
[02:28] <eruin> flink is great
[02:28] <ogra> HostingGeek: there is something on gnomefiles.org
[02:28] <HostingGeek> whats flink?
[02:28] <jdub> it's a mail checking applet dude
[02:28] <seb128> eruin: do you still get this panel bug ?
[02:28] <ogra> HostingGeek: a mailckeck applet
[02:28] <jdub> which is what you're asking for
[02:28] <seb128> eruin: are you on i386 ?
[02:30] <eruin> seb128: yes
[02:30] <omoshiroi> waht do the little stars mean beside packages in synaptic?
[02:30] <eruin> seb128: I had the problem, then it seemed to go away, then I updated again last night and the problem is back
[02:30] <seb128> eruin: could you install the packages on http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/vfs/ ?
[02:30] <eruin> sure
[02:30] <seb128> they have a patch for that
[02:31] <seb128> but since I don't have the bug here, I need people to give feedback on it
[02:31] <seb128> let me know if you get the issue with these packages
[02:31] <eruin> willdo
[02:33] <eruin> installing them now
[02:33] <HostingGeek> ogra: cooool
[02:33] <eruin> seb128: there's no bugreport for this?
[02:34] <della> hiya
[02:35] <della> is it possible to see the debian menu in gnome as it happens in vanilla debian?
[02:35] <HostingGeek> yes
[02:36] <jdub> della: not in warty
[02:36] <jdub> della: if you're running hoary, install menu-xdg
[02:36] <HostingGeek> jdub: what person which used debian will not be using hoary right now?
[02:37] <jdub> HostingGeek: quite a few. silly question.
[02:37] <DaNewB> HostingGeek, what is the debian menu?
[02:37] <della> HostingGeek, me :-)
[02:37] <omoshiroi> sheesh there is alot to update lol.
[02:37] <della> I'm perfectly fine with warty and ubuntu-backports :-)
[02:37] <HostingGeek> della: 0_o
[02:37] <DaNewB> della, me too, for now...
[02:38] <HostingGeek> DaNewB: don't act stupid
[02:38] <omoshiroi> ubuntu has some odd release names.
[02:38] <DaNewB> HostingGeek, what is the debian menu?
[02:38] <jdub> DaNewB: the debian menu is a cross-desktop menu system
[02:38] <jdub> DaNewB: basically, each package has a menu file
[02:39] <ogra> omoshiroi: odd release names ?
[02:39] <jdub> DaNewB: and the menu system generates the right entries for the tool you use (might be a window manager, menu program, whatever)
[02:39] <omoshiroi> yes, warty and hoary, just kinda interesting names.
[02:39] <jdub> DaNewB: gnome used to have hard-coded support for the debian menu
[02:39] <DaNewB> jdub, so would replace "Applications" and "Computer" in Hoary?
[02:40] <jdub> DaNewB: now we use the xdg standard items that menu-xdg generates instead
[02:40] <jdub> DaNewB: no, it's just another category in the applications menu
[02:40] <DaNewB> jdub, sounds cool, i've got a few apps that dont have menu entries
[02:41] <ogra> omoshiroi: suggest better ones (there will be a release every 6 months, son new names are needed soon ;) )
[02:41] <jdub> DaNewB: if they're for things in supported, file bugs.
[02:41] <jdub> DaNewB: if they're for things in universe, we may accept patches.
[02:41] <della> jdub: I have a menu-xdg package installed (from universe)
[02:41] <omoshiroi> ogra hehe, most linux distributions seem to have odd names now that I think of it.
[02:42] <jdub> della: if you're on warty, the debian menu won't appear.
[02:42] <della> jdub: so what is the purpose of menu-xdg in warty?
[02:42] <DaNewB> jdub, sorry, ya , those apps are not supported nor universe (multiverse I think)
[02:42] <jdub> della: it's just sitting in there in universe :)
[02:43] <JamesDotCom> what's the name of the program ran after the reboot in a new installation... the one that configures everything?
[02:43] <jdub> della: anything that uses the xdg standard will include those items
[02:43] <JamesDotCom> need to run it again
[02:43] <jdub> della: gnome didn't support the xdg standard until 2.10 (which is in hoary)
[02:43] <ogra> JamesDotCom: base-config
[02:43] <JamesDotCom> ogra: thanks
[02:44] <omoshiroi> jdub so is hoary going to be the next stable release?
[02:44] <della> jdub: I see
[02:44] <jdub> omoshiroi: yes. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[02:44] <della> menu-xdg is thrown in by kdelibs4-bin
[02:45] <DaNewB> jdub, im looking forward to Hoary :>
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[02:45] <omoshiroi> jdub, could you not just use apt or synaptic to update to a higher gnome?
[02:45] <jdub> AzN_devil: please don't do that.
[02:45] <jdub> omoshiroi: no.
[02:46] <DaNewB> jdub, this is the only distro till now I look forward to the next release but not because im missing anything currently, good sign!
[02:46] <jdub> DaNewB: rockin' ;)
[02:46] <ogra> omoshiroi: ubuntu is tied to the gnome release schedule, so you will get a new gnome if you upgrade to the next stable ubuntu
[02:46] <omoshiroi> ah
[02:46] <omoshiroi> im not really familiar with out debian works or anything, its quite interesting.
[02:47] <omoshiroi> always used slackware up till now.
[02:47] <jdub> omoshiroi: this is ubuntu. :)
[02:47] <omoshiroi> ubuntu is still debian based, uses the same tools and such.
[02:47] <jdub> sure, but the answer to that question is very much an ubuntu answer.
[02:48] <omoshiroi> I am impressed with ubuntu's hardware detection though.
[02:49] <DaNewB> jdub, plus it's 1st time I speak with a dev, which is cool ;)   (except on Gentoo actually)
[02:49] <omoshiroi> Gentoo was nice also.
[02:49] <DaNewB> As i've said before, if it ends in "U", it's good
[02:50] <DaNewB> (except for Debian)
[02:50] <HostingGeek> DaNewB: on gentpoo techinically every one is a devel as they build there own binaries for the whole distro
[02:50] <HostingGeek> DaNewB: haha you nick is bad
[02:50] <DaNewB> HostingGeek, hey! >:(
[02:50] <HostingGeeku> DaNewB: my nick is good now
[02:52] <HostingGeeku> DagaZ: hmm none of the staffers are good
[02:52] <mjr> by the way, someone with hoary and the dev. gnome, is this bug still around: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133211
[02:53] <mjr> (report includes a test program for the bug)
[02:53] <mjr> just wondering if the report's been forgotten...
[02:54] <HostingGeeku> iluvubuntu: watch this
[02:54] <Ubuntu> hehe
[02:54] <omoshiroi> hehe
[02:54] <AcidPils> hi all anyone got fglrx-driver working with the newest version?
[02:55] <HostingGeek> i don't want to get banned iluvubuntu i hope you understand
[02:58] <mjg59> AcidPils: It ought to be in Hoary now
[02:58] <omoshiroi> well im out.
[02:58] <jdub> mjr: every now and then
[02:59] <mjg59> xorg-driver-fglrx_6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[02:59] <AcidPils> mjg59: i know... but it doesnt work
[02:59] <AcidPils> if i do ap-get install fglrx-driver i get this:
[02:59] <mjr> jdub, hm?
[02:59] <AcidPils> http://nopaste.phpfi.com/46608
[02:59] <AcidPils> any idea?
[03:00] <mjr> jdub, I'll take that as a "yes"? :)
[03:00] <mjr> or rather, :
[03:00] <mjr> or rather, :(
[03:01] <mjg59> AcidPils: Remove xfree86-driver-fglrx first
[03:01] <mjr> 'cause, you know, can't be my fingers that's the problem
[03:02] <AcidPils> mjg59: same problem: Unpacking fglrx-driver and then the same diversions
[03:03] <mjg59> AcidPils: I'd file a bug, then
[03:05] <AzN_devil> File Server Online Triggers:/ctcp AzN_devil !phone shit  /ctcp AzN_devil !uiq-shit Sends:0/10 Queues:0/40 Accessed:0 times Online:0/5 RCPS:0 cps by n/a Served:0B in 0 files Current BW:0 cps AQT:No Wait MOTD: -= stfu if u cant get in =-
[03:07] <jdub> AzN_devil: please don't do that.
[03:08] <zeedo> jdub: fun, huh :-P
[03:09] <zeedo> been a while since I seen dcc fileservers
[03:09] <AcidPils> hmm.. i did another apt-get upgrade and everything is fine :)
[03:10] <jono> pitti, ping
[03:10] <pitti> jono: pong
[03:10] <jono> pitti, do you remember, a while back I spoke to you about a hack I was writing about project utopia?
[03:10] <cioppi> hello all :)
[03:11] <pitti> jono: I don't remember the particular hack any more, sorry
[03:11] <cioppi> is there any italian?
[03:11] <cioppi> for a pvt session on ubuntu :)
[03:11] <Riddell> cioppi: /join #ubuntu-it
[03:11] <jono> pitti, well you put the pmount patch online at http://www.piware.de/ubuntu/ubuntu-pmount.diff and now the book is going to production phase, that url has been flagged up as dead
[03:11] <cioppi> riddell, i'm on this channel yet :)
[03:12] <pitti> jono: ah, right
[03:12] <cioppi> but there isn't user that can help me about the hardware supported by ubuntu?
[03:12] <pitti> jono: yes, a while ago I cleaned up my webserver
[03:12] <cioppi> excuse me for th bad english.... I'm 12 y-o :-D
[03:12] <jono> pitti, I basically need a new url with the patch before the book can go to production - could you stick it somewhere else online?
[03:12] <pitti> jono: I considered it only a temporary URL
[03:13] <jdub> cioppi: my english was terrible at 12 too :-)
[03:13] <jdub> cioppi: what do you need to know?
[03:13] <cioppi> lol
[03:13] <cioppi> well
[03:13] <pitti> jono: I can use the same URL if you need
[03:13] <jono> pitti, is there anywhere more permenant you can put it
[03:13] <pitti> jono: however, what was this patch about?
[03:13] <cioppi> if my modem *usb* it's supported :)
[03:13] <jono> if possible
[03:13] <jono> brb phone
[03:13] <cioppi> it is the alcatel speedtouch 330
[03:13] <pitti> jono: yes, people.ubuntu.com or people.debian.org
[03:14] <jdub> cioppi: hmm, have you tried the speedtouch package?
[03:14] <cioppi> er.... no :-D
[03:14] <jdub> that's a user space driver - no kernel problems, etc.
[03:14] <jono> pitti,  people.debian.org
[03:15] <cioppi> I haven't yet ubuntu, jdub
[03:15] <jdub> cioppi: there is also the speedtch kernel driver, but i'm not sure which one is better
[03:15] <shizzlean> hi.. how do I enable prt fowarding in ubuntu?
[03:15] <cioppi> jdub, i'm waiting for installing ubuntu before i'm sure that this support my modem :)
[03:16] <shizzlean> oops. port fowarding
[03:16] <shizzlean> ssh specifically
[03:17] <DaNewB> are IRC nicks case-sensitive?
[03:17] <jdub> cioppi: http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+speedtouch -> comes up with quite a bit
[03:17] <jono> pitti, back, can you stick patch on people.debian.org for me?
[03:17] <cioppi> oh, yes, thx jdub :)
[03:17] <jdub> cioppi: but ignore the ones that say you should install speedtouch from tarballs - it's all in ubuntu packages :)
[03:18] <pitti> jono: I can, but what was the patch about?
[03:18] <jono> pitti, or wherever, so long as it is online :)
[03:18] <jono> pitti, let me check
[03:19] <shizzlean> can anyone help me enable fowarding of port22 for ssh tunneling?
[03:20] <jono> pitti, it was a patch for g-v-m to use pmount
[03:20] <LeChux> hi! Is there any possibility to install ubuntu via another computer using the network
[03:20] <LeChux> ?
[03:21] <pitti> jono: hmm, Debian sid now uses the pmount approach, btw
[03:22] <pitti> jono: the current Debian fix is much more complicated (because it is more generic)
[03:22] <pitti> jono: it adds some configure options to specify alternate mount programs
[03:22] <pitti> jono: do you want this or just the quick "replace mount by pmount" hack patch?
[03:22] <jono> pitti, you said that the patch basically replaces mount with pmount
[03:22] <jono> pitti, just the quick patch if that is fine :)
[03:23] <pitti> jono: okay
[03:23] <jono> pitti, :)
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[03:26] <jdub> sorry all.
[03:26] <Guardiann> the life of a @ :)
[03:26] <beezly> bah, it had no warez anyway :)
[03:26] <outsider1> no problem jdub, thanx for keeping the chan in good running order! :)
[03:27] <DaNewB> LeChux, maybe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-11-26.2137127791
[03:27] <pitti> jono: http://people.debian.org/~mpitt/gnome-volume-manager.pmount.patch
[03:28] <LeChux> DaNewB, thx, lazy me, sry to bother
[03:28] <DaNewB> LeChux, np
[03:28] <da_bon_bon> hey, if i am compilig mplayer from the source, do i need to get the fonts and skins too ?
[03:36] <thepoch> hey folks. just wondering if anyone knows why 3d screensavers work (fast), but glxgears hangs my machine. using a thinkpad t30 here.
[03:37] <jono> pitti, sorry, lost my connection, thanks for that :)
[03:37] <robsta> hi
[03:38] <Guardiann> hello
[03:38] <|blk|> hi - i installed ubuntu last night, just wanted to say it's GREAT! debian with up-to-dateness on my laptop - bliss! :D
[03:39] <robsta> i'd like to jhbuild gnome on my warty box (+xorg from hoary)
[03:39] <robsta> but i'm missing Xauth.h
[03:39] <robsta> for gnome-terminal
[03:39] <robsta> is there something like the distrib/packages site for debian for ubuntu where i can search?
[03:40] <robsta> my pkg sys seems not to know about Xauth.h at all
[03:40] <eekan> if I want to set up ubuntu wiki that looks like the official one how do I do it?
[03:43] <ogra> robsta: its in xlibs-static-dev
[03:44] <funkyhat> is it possible to install network support from the ubuntu CD after installing the os without it?
[03:44] <eekan> any idea where I can get the css and the like?
[03:44] <robsta> ogra: i've got that deb, so maybe the problem is in the gnome-terminal build?
[03:44] <ogra> robsta: no idea, why dont you just use hoary ? it has all this stuff already.....
[03:45] <robsta> ogra: and "locate Xauth.h" yields nothing
[03:45] <robsta> ogra: is it likely to break every now and then?
[03:45] <ogra> robsta: when did you install the package ? (locatedb is only updated once a day)
[03:45] <robsta> ogra: yeah, some weeks ago
[03:46] <ogra> robsta: not more then a warty with xorg from hoary and jhbuild gnome ;)
[03:47] <robsta> ogra: with jhbuild i can always fall back to system gnome, need my machine for work
[03:47] <eekan> ogra any idea if the answer is in the wiki?and if so under what?
[03:47] <ogra> robsta: what you are doing there is building a hoary with a warty base which is not worth the effort i guess....hoary is likely to stabilze since we have a Freeze now
[03:47] <ogra> eekan: look in the sourcecode of the websites for css and stuff
[03:48] <eekan> ogra I don't know much about css..
[03:48] <ogra> eekan:so why do you want to clone the wiki ?
[03:48] <robsta> ogra: ok, thanks anyways, it's just easier to do patches when build from src :-P
[03:49] <ogra> robsta: thats why i user source.debs
[03:49] <ogra> -r
[03:49] <eekan> ogra to make a wiki dedicated to hebrew in ubuntu
[03:49] <eekan> ogra for various reasons it's easier to run it on my own server
[03:50] <jaak> hello... where can i get gtk+-2.0 and gthread-2.0?
[03:52] <warty> hi to all
[03:52] <ogra> eekan: look for sivang, if he is around,, he is a great web guy and cares for hebrew in ubuntu.....i guess he can help you
[03:53] <icerogue> Ok i forgot what is the file that allows me to change what groups a user is in?
[03:53] <jaak> ok i found the gtk+ but where can i find gthread-2.0?
[03:53] <ogra> icerogue: dont edit this file...
[03:53] <ogra> icerogue: use adduser and deluser or the gui tool
[03:54] <icerogue> i use fluxbox so the gui tool is not available
[03:54] <ogra> icerogue: users-admin
[03:55] <ogra> icerogue: unless you deinstalled it
[03:55] <icerogue> i started with the custom option, so i prolly didnt install it in the first place
[03:56] <eekan> ogra I know, I work with him but he was sick for long time and I'm trying to help him out:)
[03:56] <icerogue> lol
[03:56] <ogra> icerogue: then use adduser
[03:57] <ogra> icerogue: sudo adduser <username> <desired group to add him>
[03:58] <icerogue> but how do i get a listing of users and groups?
[03:59] <hidde> Hey guys. I just upgraded to hoary from a pristine warty, and my gnome-panels are very messed up. Can anyone help me figure out what is wrong?
[04:00] <ogra> icerogue: for your current user just type: groups
[04:00] <no0tic> can you tell me what are hoary repositories?
[04:00] <seb128> hidde: define "messed up"
[04:00] <icerogue> for all is what i need, namly the vmail user and the account that courier ant postfix uses
[04:00] <seb128> hidde: all grey ?
[04:01] <no0tic> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/main/source/Sources.gz  404 Not Found
[04:01] <ogra> icerogue: for other users: groups <username>
[04:01] <funkyhat> what are the implications of installing ubuntu on one machine and then moving the HDD/network interface to a dfferent machine?
[04:01] <hidde> seb128 yes, panels not loading, grey, and desktop unresponsive. Can't reven right-mouse into a terminal
[04:02] <ogra> no0tic: hoary isnt even out, why should there be updates
[04:02] <seb128> hidde: ok, do you have an i386 ?
[04:02] <no0tic> ogra: ok, thanks
[04:02] <hidde> seb128. i'm running i386 now, yes
[04:02] <seb128> http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/vfs/
[04:02] <seb128> please install these deb and try to login again
[04:02] <affi> When I update packages with synaptic, I guess there is stored some kind of log (of what happened, and which packages), but where?
[04:03] <seb128> hidde: these deb are patched for this bug, and I need people who have the bug to say if that works with the patch
[04:03] <hidde> seb128, i'm in a vt right now, can you spell it out for me. I'll have to write it out in another t.
[04:03] <seb128> (I don't have the bug here)
[04:03] <seb128> spell what ?
[04:03] <mjr> funkyhat, should work
[04:03] <funkyhat> mjr, thanks :)
[04:03] <funkyhat> i'm trying anyway
[04:03] <mjr> funkyhat, provided they're not different architectures or anything ;)
[04:03] <hidde> seb128. Can you tell me exactly which commands to run?
[04:04] <seb128> hidde: wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/vfs/libgnomevfs2-0_2.9.3-0ubuntu2_i386.deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/vfs/libgnomevfs2-common_2.9.3-0ubuntu2_i386.deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/vfs/libgnomevfs2-dev_2.9.3-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[04:04] <funkyhat> heh, no, both pentium 166 (or one 166 and one 200)
[04:04] <hidde> btw, isn't there a tool that allows you to copy paste what is under the mouse button in a terminal?
[04:04] <seb128> hidde: that's long ... if you have lftp just lftp http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/vfs/ and mget *.deb
[04:04] <seb128> then sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[04:05] <seb128> that's all
[04:05] <herman_> seb128, are those updates gnomepanel related?
[04:05] <seb128> herman_: as said before that's a patched version that might fix the panel/nautilus freeze, I would like some feedback to know if the patch is correct
[04:05] <herman_> seb128, i have some crashing panels in hoary but i'm running amd64 port
[04:06] <seb128> nop, crashing is not the same issue
[04:06] <seb128> install gnome-panel-dbg and put a backtrace in bugzilla please
[04:06] <herman_> seb128, well not really crashing but just an emty bar
[04:06] <hidde> seb128, running mget now
[04:06] <herman_> empty and nothing happens
[04:06] <seb128> herman_: that's it ... do you know how to build a package ?
[04:06] <herman_> so i guess you could call that freezing
[04:06] <seb128> yep, that's the bug
[04:06] <herman_> seb128, well i cant look into it before tomorrow night
[04:07] <herman_> but i'll look into it then
[04:07] <ogra> seb128: i can make amd64 pkgs for you (even i cant confirm the bug here)
[04:07] <hidde> Damn, seb, I should've met you yesterday. Last night I ran into the exact same bug with a setup that was already borked up. I ended up formatting
[04:07] <seb128> herman_: ok, I'll probably upload the patched package before that, let me know after the update if that fixes the issue
[04:07] <herman_> seb128, ok, will do
[04:08] <seb128> hidde: there is a bug open in bugzilla with the workaround and a link to the packages
[04:08] <seb128> herman_: thanks
[04:08] <hidde> seb128 errors where encountered while processing libgnomevfs2-dev
[04:08] <seb128> ups
[04:08] <seb128> sudo dpkg -r libgnomevfs2-dev
[04:09] <seb128> you don't need it if it was not installed before
[04:09] <hidde> Now I should boot into gnome?
[04:09] <seb128> correct
[04:09] <aethera> afternoon chaps
[04:10] <affi> hidde: To copy/paste with mouse from an x-/gnome-terminal use right/middle mouse button.
[04:10] <seb128> affi: he said he's using a vt
[04:11] <affi> seb128: Ah, but then I'd use terminal mode in emacs. :-)
[04:11] <hidde> affi, I don't have the mouse right now.
[04:12] <hidde> seb128 bug isn't solved, unless I need to reboot first. I just restarted gdm now
[04:12] <seb128> hidde: you installed libgnomevfs2-common and libgnomevfs2-0 ?
[04:12] <seb128> hidde: ie: fixed the bug on -dev and apt-get -f install ?
[04:13] <seb128> dpkg -l libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common ?
[04:13] <bretze1> hi all :-)
[04:13] <da_bon_bon> bretze1: hiya
[04:14] <james_knoppix> Hi, I have a problem with GRUB boot loader and Windows XP+Ubuntu on two seperate SATA drives. If anyone is familiar with the editing of GRUB, I could really use the help, my aim is erishi21 and my msn is sir.ewok@gmail.com.
[04:14] <icerogue> wow webmin is kinda cool
[04:14] <bretze1> icerouge: How did you manage to run webmin ?
[04:15] <funkyhat> james_knoppix use grub_config in knoppx
[04:15] <icerogue> apt-get
[04:15] <icerogue> actually synaptic
[04:15] <hidde> seb128, both packages are installed
[04:16] <bretze1> icerouge: sh*t! I realize that only webmin pkg is installed - missing all others modules :-)
[04:16] <seb128> hidde: do you mind to reboot ?
[04:16] <hidde> no problem, be right back
[04:16] <hidde> wait for me. ;-)
[04:16] <seb128> hidde: old versions are still running, either kill them or reboot
[04:16] <james_knoppix> funkyhat: I am using kwrite to edit the grub config, but I need help in the editing, no GRUB menu appears when I boot and it goes straight into windows
[04:17] <james_knoppix> I've been trying to work out this problem for 2 days x-x
[04:18] <skreet_> Anyone have any clue why my DVD+RW drive is coming up as ATA/33 in my bios, I think thats why I cant use DMA
[04:19] <Hwolf> seb128?
[04:19] <Gagatan> skreet_: do you have ata/66 or ata/100 capable cable?
[04:19] <funkyhat> james_knoppix, actually, have you tried running grub-install ?
[04:19] <skreet_> Yes, 80 conductor.
[04:19] <skreet_> I'm very confused.
[04:19] <skreet_> I had it chained with a 52x CDROM figured that might do it but still ATA/33 if it's solo master.
[04:20] <Hwolf> seb128. 'hidde' here. Problem is fixed. Panels are still messed up, but ok
[04:20] <seb128> ok
[04:20] <seb128> cool
[04:20] <ogra> skreet_: there are some bugs in bugzilla regarding the load order of the modules.....
[04:20] <seb128> what do you call "messed up" ?
[04:20] <bretze1> ...by the way, I've burned llgp ( Linux -(l?) Game project ) and tried it yesterday - Very cool full load of games :-) - of course, for nvidia vcards
[04:20] <ogra> skreet_: look if one of them applies
[04:21] <james_knoppix> funkyhat: hmm, I haven't tried this thanks, I'll try this now- do you have aim or msn?
[04:21] <Hwolf> I'm in gnome now. Some of my applets got shuffled about, and the program tabs are still tiny, but at least i can work. :-)
[04:21] <skreet_> ogra: I noticed that when i do an idebus=100 it says it cant load module "ide-mod"
[04:21] <funkyhat> james_knoppix, yes, msn funkyhat@greebos.com
[04:21] <seb128> Hwolf: ok, thanks for trying the patch, I'll upload that in the archive.
[04:21] <skreet_> (also tried 66 and 133 just for the hell of it.)
[04:21] <skreet_> Anyway I gotta go I'm gonna try to work on this more later. I dont know why my BIOS is seeing it as ATA/33 though :(
[04:22] <ogra> skreet_: look in bugzilla ;)
[04:22] <Pluk> arent opticals always ATA33?
[04:22] <Hwolf> seb128: thank you, it's rather hard to find solutions from a terminal.
[04:22] <skreet_> Not DVD+RWs
[04:22] <skreet_> :\
[04:22] <skreet_> or DVD-ROMs for that matter
[04:22] <skreet_> DVD-ROM is usually 66 or 100, dvd+rw is almost always 100
[04:23] <Pluk> hmm didnt know that
[04:23] <seb128> Hwolf: np :)
[04:23] <skreet_> 16x dvd is like 22 MB/sec
[04:23] <skreet_> ATA/33 cant move that.
[04:23] <ogra> skreet_: btw idebus= is for setting PIO modes....
[04:23] <skreet_> ogra: oh?
[04:24] <skreet_> Well how do I set DMA?
[04:24] <ogra> skreet_: look at hdparm
[04:24] <da_bon_bon> skreet_: man hdparm
[04:24] <skreet_> /dev/hda:
[04:24] <skreet_>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[04:24] <skreet_>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[04:24] <skreet_>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[04:24] <da_bon_bon> skreet_: man hdparm
[04:24] <skreet_> "Operation not permitted" :D
[04:24] <ogra> sudo
[04:24] <skreet_> I did.
[04:24] <da_bon_bon> skreet_: sudo
[04:24] <Hwolf> seb128, are those tiny program-tabs fixable, or do I need to wait for a patch?
[04:25] <skreet_> skreet@ubuntu:~ $ sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[04:25] <Pluk> hmm my nec1300 is also listed as UDMA(33)
[04:25] <ogra> skreet_: so i'm pretty sure its the load order
[04:25] <skreet_> I've been working on this for week.
[04:25] <skreet_> Pluk: REally? Are you using DMA mode?
[04:25] <ogra> skreet_: look in bugzilla, i think there was also a fix
[04:25] <skreet_> okay
[04:25] <skreet_> Thanks ogra, thanks everyone I gotta go to work.
[04:26] <seb128> Hwolf: what do you call "tiny tabs" ?
[04:26] <seb128> Hwolf: in the tasks' list ?
[04:26] <ogra> Hwolf: adjust the min size of the list
[04:26] <seb128> if that's it do what ogra said
[04:26] <seb128> that's in the properties of the applet
[04:27] <ogra> seb128: could this be set a bit higher by default ?
[04:27] <Pluk> skreet, from the nec website: Interface: IDE/ATAPI Ultra DMA33
[04:27] <Hwolf> thanks guys. Didn't know that.
[04:27] <Pluk> so not all dvd+/-RW are 66 or 100
[04:27] <seb128> ogra: that's a workaround, that should be fixed rather
[04:28] <ogra> seb128: hmm, true....
[04:28] <Hwolf> Yesterday when I got a hoary install, it messed with my keyboard speed. That was nasty.
[04:29] <Pluk> skreet, even the faster drives from nec are just ATA33
[04:29] <ogra> Hwolf: in X ?
[04:29] <jmhodges> damn
[04:29] <Hwolf> One of my programs is listed twice in the menu, can I file a bug against gnome-panel?
[04:29] <Hwolf> ogra, I fixed it by pushing up the speed in gnome-keyboard
[04:30] <jmhodges> im still getting errors from fglrx-driver
[04:30] <jmhodges> i tried installing it again.. and it grabs xorg-driver-fglrx but fails in the same spot
[04:30] <jono> anyone here experiencing problems with Apache and PHP from Universe?
[04:31] <jmhodges> anyone have a clue as to what i need to do?
[04:31] <Hwolf> Hm. How do I test if fglrx is actually working?
[04:31] <ogra> jmhodges: waiting....?
[04:32] <ogra> jmhodges: reporting a bug ?
[04:32] <jmhodges> ogra: they said this was fixed last night, and that the pkg would be up "in a few minutes"
[04:32] <jmhodges> Hwolf well, does X work?
[04:32] <Pluk> Hwolf, glxinfo
[04:32] <Pluk> if its says in the top Direct Rendering: yes then your driver works
[04:33] <Hwolf> whoa
[04:33] <ogra> jmhodges: we are all humans....probably there is a bug that just gets fixed today (if you let the devs know) :)
[04:33] <Hwolf> One of my programs is listed twice in the menu, can I file a bug against gnome-panel?
[04:33] <Hwolf> hidde@system:~ $ glxinfo
[04:33] <Hwolf> name of display: :0.0
[04:33] <Hwolf> display: :0  screen: 0
[04:33] <Hwolf> direct rendering: Yes
[04:33] <jmhodges> yeah..
[04:33] <Hwolf> Whoohoo.
[04:33] <Pluk> :)
[04:33] <jmhodges> wonder how well bugzilla loads up in links
[04:33] <ogra> jmhodges: i think you need ssy, else it should be fin
[04:33] <ogra> ssl even
[04:33] <jmhodges> well, damn
[04:34] <jmhodges> links wasn't built with ssl
[04:34] <jmhodges> hmrph
[04:34] <ogra> jmhodges: w3m ?
[04:34] <Hwolf> jmhodges, why not use the ati driver and get x up?
[04:34] <ogra> jmhodges: install links-ssl
[04:34] <jmhodges> Hwolf because i can't install anything at all
[04:34] <jmhodges> ogra same issue
[04:35] <Hwolf> ouch. :-S
[04:35] <jmhodges> i have "unmet dependencies"
[04:35] <jmhodges> i.e. fglrx-driver is borked all to hell
[04:36] <ogra> jmhodges: sure that your sources.liszt is ok ? did you run apt-get upate inbetween ?
[04:37] <jmhodges> yes
[04:37] <jmhodges> many times
[04:37] <debiandemolition> hi
[04:37] <Pluk> hi debiandemolition
[04:38] <debiandemolition> would you like to answer a question, Pluk?
[04:38] <Pluk> sure
[04:38] <Pluk> :)
[04:38] <debiandemolition> ok
[04:39] <Pluk> if im able to is another issue though :)
[04:39] <debiandemolition> I'm considering installing Ubuntu on a system with W2000 and Fedora1
[04:39] <debiandemolition> getting rid of Fedora distro
[04:40] <jmhodges> argh, how do i remove something at the same as installing something else?
[04:40] <Pluk> ok
[04:40] <debiandemolition> I wonder if the Ubuntu installer is prepared for this :)
[04:40] <jmhodges> thsi broken pkg cannot possibly keep me from doing everything
[04:40] <Pluk> no problem for the installer
[04:40] <ogra> debiandemolition: for nuking fedora ?
[04:40] <Pluk> just reformat the Fedora drives
[04:40] <debiandemolition> Now that's an answer :-)
[04:41] <Pluk> ubuntu can format them
[04:41] <ogra> debiandemolition: there is no special install option for that, but you certainly can do it :)
[04:41] <wastrel> debiandemolition: do you have free space to install ubuntu into?
[04:41] <debiandemolition> Ubuntu replaces the Grub bootmanager with its own?
[04:41] <Pluk> ubuntu uses grub
[04:41] <debiandemolition> After deleting fedora, you bet!
[04:41] <ogra> debiandemolition: i.e. the "nukle other distros" button is missing
[04:41] <Pluk> but it will rewrite it to your mbr
[04:41] <debiandemolition> no problem
[04:42] <debiandemolition> as lonjg as it boots
[04:42] <Hwolf> seb128?
[04:42] <Pluk> yeah itll boot
[04:42] <debiandemolition> no problem with the notorious kernel 2.6 dual boot bug?
[04:42] <debiandemolition> like in FC2?
[04:42] <Pluk> havent seen/heard b4
[04:42] <ogra> debiandemolition: sometimes......
[04:42] <seb128> Hwolf: ?
[04:43] <debiandemolition> sometimes doesn't sound so great, ogra :)
[04:43] <ogra> debiandemolition: but easy solvable, there is a lwn article that is very helpful
[04:43] <Hwolf> seb128, what can you do about an app appearing twice in the same menu?
[04:43] <debiandemolition> lwn article?
[04:43] <ogra> debiandemolition: have you had this prob in fc ?
[04:43] <debiandemolition> yes ogra
[04:44] <debiandemolition> it completely seemed to thrash the system
[04:44] <seb128> Hwolf: fix the app. Which one ?
[04:44] <ogra> debiandemolition: then youll have it with warty too i guess....
[04:44] <Hwolf> seb128, tvtime -> apps /sound & video
[04:44] <debiandemolition> ogra: ok, I will prepare for it then
[04:44] <ogra> debiandemolition: nope, its just a grub fix....it isnt really damaged
[04:44] <Pluk> what does the dualboot error?
[04:44] <Pluk> bug*
[04:45] <debiandemolition> Pluk: the windows install doesn't boot anymore
[04:45] <ogra> debiandemolition: you could also try to install one of the hoary/unstable CDs there it should be solved
[04:45] <Pluk> isnt that just a /boot/grub/menu.lst thingy?
[04:45] <debiandemolition> ogra: I will consider that, thanks
[04:45] <ogra> debiandemolition: but keep in mind that its the development version....even its in a freeze now and should get better daily
[04:46] <Pluk> hoary rox!
[04:46] <jmhodges> hoary does rock
[04:46] <Pluk> but would like to see xfce4.2 hit the repos
[04:46] <jmhodges> it will eat your soul as well
[04:46] <ogra> heh
[04:46] <Pluk> what soul --;
[04:46] <Hwolf> guys, did anything change to the apps that allow me to play dvd's? totem-gstreamer is crashing on me, gxine is choking on it, and totem-xine is stuttering
[04:47] <jmhodges> pluk and here we have it :)
[04:47] <Pluk> :D
[04:47] <debiandemolition> ogra: I read changing something in the bios circumvents it too, setting harddrive access to LBA or something ...
[04:47] <debiandemolition> instead of auto
[04:47] <jmhodges> argh
[04:47] <seb128> Hwolf: tvtime has 2 desktop files
[04:47] <ogra> debiandemolition: or from LBA to normal
[04:47] <seb128> $ dpkg -L tvtime | grep desktop
[04:47] <seb128> /usr/share/applications/net-tvtime.desktop
[04:47] <seb128> /usr/share/applnk/Multimedia/net-tvtime.desktop
[04:47] <ogra> debiandemolition: one of these was the fix :)
[04:47] <Pluk> you could allways trash grub and install lilo though
[04:48] <debiandemolition> Pluk: does that really work?
[04:48] <seb128> Hwolf: sudo rm -f /usr/share/applnk/Multimedia/net-tvtime.desktop as a quick bad hack
[04:48] <jmhodges> ok, gtg shower and head out.. i'll file a bug report or something in a bit
[04:48] <debiandemolition> Pluk: I understood it was a kernel bug
[04:48] <jmhodges> hrm.. is there anyway to force a pkg installation even with a conflicting diversion?
[04:48] <ogra> seb128: fine....some MOTU work :)
[04:48] <Pluk> if it is a kernel bug they have fixed it with the new kernels
[04:49] <haakonn_> i've set up a modem in the config dialog from the standard ubuntu desktop. however, i want some kind of icon or button i can press to dial up and connect (and disconnect later), which doesn't require sudo (this is for my computer-illiterate father). how would i go about that?
[04:49] <Hwolf> seb128, that didn't cut it
[04:49] <debiandemolition> ok Pluk
[04:49] <seb128> Hwolf: killall gnome-panel ?
[04:49] <Twiggy> What's the command to set a root pass?
[04:49] <Twiggy> sudo <password> ain't woikin'
[04:49] <Amaranth> sudo passwd root
[04:49] <Amaranth> but don't do it
[04:49] <ogra> Twiggy: why do you want this ?
[04:49] <Twiggy> Ahhhh
[04:49] <Hwolf> seb128, much better. :-)
[04:49] <Amaranth> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:49] <Twiggy> ogra: Ummmm because I need to run as root?
[04:49] <debiandemolition> Thanks for the advice, ogra and Pluk :-))
[04:50] <debiandemolition> see you
[04:50] <ogra> Twiggy: what ?
[04:50] <Pluk> your welcome
[04:50] <Amaranth> Twiggy: sudo -s -H isn't enough for you?
[04:50] <Twiggy> ogra: There are certain things I need to do as root...
[04:50] <ogra> Twiggy: then use sudo...
[04:50] <Twiggy> Amaranth: I've never done it via sudo, so I had no clue
[04:50] <Twiggy> ogra: That's what I was asking
[04:50] <Amaranth> Twiggy: Read the URL I gave.
[04:50] <Hwolf> ogra, there are still apps in gnome that ask for root password, didn't you ever notice?
[04:50] <Amaranth> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:50] <Twiggy> Amaranth: Aye, I am, thanks
[04:50] <ogra> Twiggy: and dont run X apps with root rights ;)
[04:51] <Twiggy> ogra: I wasn't planning on it
[04:51] <petemc> hi, im having an odd problem - trying to burn the hoary live ppc iso on osx causes disk utility to crash, ive tried 2 different isos (albeit from the same place) with the same results, other isos work fine, logs are at http://www.yerma.org/~pete/apple/
[04:51] <ogra> Hwolf: things like firestarter you mean ?
[04:51] <funkyhat> Hwolf they ask for password, you just input primary user password
[04:51] <Pluk> alway fun to see seomone enter at irc: nick <root@sdsdsd.asdsad.com> entered
[04:51] <wastrel> those apps in gnome yeah are looking for your user password
[04:51] <ogra> Hwolf: these are nearly all bugs that should get solved
[04:51] <Hwolf> ogra gnome-network utils for one. doesn't take main password
[04:52] <ogra> Hwolf: in warty ?
[04:52] <Hwolf> warty/hoary
[04:52] <Hwolf> 'run as different user' doesn't give the option to run as sudo, and is thus unusable
[04:52] <ogra> Hwolf: for hoary its a bug that can get solved :)
[04:53] <ogra> Hwolf: since root is disabled it would be somewhat pointless to offer root there
[04:53] <Hwolf> ogra, it offers naught but root.
[04:53] <Hwolf> you can't use it to sudo
[04:54] <ogra> Hwolf: would you mind filing bugs about that ?
[04:54] <Hwolf> I'm planning to. :-)
[04:54] <ogra> great, thanks
[04:54] <ogra> :)
[04:56] <Hwolf> ugh. it doesn't take my bugzilla user/pass. :-S
[04:56] <Hwolf> stupid piece of software
[04:56] <ogra> Hwolf: malone will be better (if its up once) ;)
[04:57] <wezzer-> so sad that I couldn't boot ubuntu live cd at school
[04:57] <Mayday> is it possible to get a list of installed packages including if they are from main/universe (via commandline) ?
[04:57] <wezzer-> had to use ugly windows xp :/
[05:01] <Destructo> hello all. do i have to do anything special to burn an iso under k3b ..?
[05:01] <Guardiann> no
[05:01] <Destructo> just choose mage right ..?
[05:01] <Destructo> image
[05:01] <Guardiann> yep iso image
[05:02] <krischan> Destructo: Tools -> CD -> Burn ISO Image. I believe.
[05:03] <Destructo> k well i started something .. i ahve like 200 blank cds the kids got me
[05:03] <mischa> i just love ubuntu
[05:03] <Hwolf> ogra, i've been a good boy. bugs filed. :-)
[05:04] <ogra> great, thanks ;)
[05:04] <Hwolf> What I miss is seeing the total amount of bugs in the distro, like debian shows. :-)
[05:04] <siretart> Destructo: you need to call k3b with sudo and option -H: `sudo -H k3b`, I heared
[05:05] <Guardiann> siretart depend if hes using hoary/warty
[05:05] <Rbk2> http://olsza-w-no.blog.onet.pl It will suffice that you will enter, and you can save someone....
[05:05] <Destructo> im using neither
[05:05] <Guardiann> then your good to go
[05:05] <Hwolf> Now, the grand question. How do I run a dvd in hoary?
[05:06] <Destructo> yeh im burning the ubuntu iso now. it isnt for me, its for my gf system.
[05:06] <siretart> Guardiann: oh. how is the solution in hoary? it just works?
[05:06] <Destructo> Hwolf mplayer maybe ?
[05:06] <Guardiann> yep it just works :)
[05:06] <Hwolf> destructo, is that still such a hasstle to put together?
[05:07] <da_bon_bon> Hwolf: use xine. its better
[05:07] <Destructo> never was a hassle for me. just create a codec dir then compile..
[05:07] <da_bon_bon> Hwolf: however u will need "libdvdcss2"
[05:08] <Hwolf> da_bon_bon. I've got libdvdcss2. However, totem-gstreamer crashes, gxine chokes on it, and totem-xine stutters the vid out of sync with the audio
[05:08] <HaRDaWaY> hi
[05:08] <Destructo> therefore ... mplayer
[05:08] <wastrel> hah!
[05:08] <HaRDaWaY> xD
[05:08] <wastrel> i'm having a bitch of a time with dvd also
[05:08] <da_bon_bon> Hwolf: plain old xine.
[05:08] <wastrel> finally got it to stop exiting immediately but it still hangs at the 2nd menu
[05:08] <wastrel> that's xine
[05:09] <Hwolf> Package xine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:09] <Hwolf> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:09] <Hwolf> is only available from another source
[05:09] <Destructo> Hwolf also vlc is good
[05:09] <Destructo> wastrel  try vlc
[05:09] <jatos> hi
[05:09] <Destructo> videolan.org
[05:10] <da_bon_bon> Hwolf: ok.. then.. totem-xine sucks.
[05:10] <da_bon_bon> so does gxine
[05:10] <da_bon_bon> try xine-ui ?
[05:10] <haakonn_> if anyone here have experience with ubuntu/gnome/modems, i'd much appreciate replies to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=6ac83242941ac0719286d8434474936f&p=51106#post51106 :)
[05:10] <Hwolf> da_bon_bon gxine is worse
[05:10] <mischa> haakonn_: sry i don't :)
[05:10] <Hwolf> ugh. gtk1.2 libs! :-S
[05:11] <knghtbrd> people still use those?
[05:11] <mischa> :)
[05:11] <haakonn_> knghtbrd:  apparently :)
[05:11] <Hwolf> haakonn, i was forced to ppp by my adsl-connection. Yesterday I got so fed up I bought a router so I could use dhcp
[05:12] <jatos> is there any reason why I shhhhoulddn't mix ubuntu with knoppix?/
[05:12] <haakonn_> Hwolf:  dhcp is much preferable for dsl :) but what i'm talking about is the good old-fashioned serial rs232 56.6k modems :)
[05:13] <wastrel> Destructo: vls also chokes at the 2nd menu.  maybe i'll try a diff dvd.
[05:13] <jatos> also does anyoe know     a fix for my problem of my gui repeating letteeeeerrs
[05:13] <wastrel> jatos: slow down the key repeat rate in your keyboard prefs
[05:13] <jatos> are
[05:14] <Destructo> http://themaxx.com/offensive/pages/pic.php?id=23856
[05:14] <jatos> nnnah tryed that....
[05:14] <wastrel> s/vls/vlc/
[05:14] <wastrel> anyway...
[05:15] <Destructo> try another dvd , otherwise, use what works mplayer
[05:16] <larsrohdin> i've downloaded totem-xine now, with apt-get... how to start it?
[05:16] <wastrel> with mplayer i get garbage video and no sound
[05:16] <wastrel> it does skip the menus tho.
[05:16] <wastrel> whoops there it just crashed
[05:16] <Hwolf> hm. vlc is stuttering aswell
[05:16] <Destructo> larsrohdin totem
[05:18] <larsrohdin> help me please!!! in Mplayer i can't get fullscreen and in totem and don't get any picture at all!!!
[05:18] <wastrel> f for fullscreen
[05:18] <larsrohdin> yeah the window gets big but not the movie
[05:19] <wastrel> try starting it in fullscreen mode
[05:19] <larsrohdin> how?
[05:19] <wastrel> -fs
[05:19] <tuxicity> larsrohdin, did you try a different video clip?
[05:19] <larsrohdin> yes
[05:20] <larsrohdin> and the clips work in windows
[05:20] <darksatanic> It sounds more like you don't have Xv support for hardware scaling. Try -vo xv
[05:20] <Hwolf> Hm. All xine apps refuse to open a dvd
[05:20] <tuxicity> larsrohdin, listen to the guru ;)
[05:21] <larsrohdin> what? -vo vx where?
[05:21] <darksatanic> As an option when you run mplayer
[05:21] <popeywork> i use mplayer -zoom
[05:21] <darksatanic> mplayer -vo xv file.mpg
[05:21] <popeywork> thats scales the video up
[05:21] <tuxicity> larsrohdin, mplayer -vo xv
[05:22] <larsrohdin> when i do that i just get the man page or something for mplayer, it doesn't start
[05:22] <popeywork> you need to type the video clip name on the end
[05:22] <larsrohdin> ok
[05:22] <popeywork> otherwise it doesn't know what to play :D
[05:23] <larsrohdin> yeah, but i thought it would start anyway... but ill try that
[05:24] <larsrohdin> how can i get write access to a file?
[05:24] <popeywork> chmod  w file
[05:24] <popeywork> bugger
[05:24] <popeywork> there should be a plus sign before the w
[05:26] <larsrohdin> didnt work
[05:26] <wastrel> larsrohdin: if you don't have perms it's likely you need sudo
[05:26] <popeywork> what file?
[05:26] <larsrohdin> i used sudo
[05:26] <larsrohdin> i still haven't got perms...
[05:27] <popeywork> what are the perms on the file?
[05:27] <popeywork> ls -l filename
[05:27] <popeywork> paste in here
[05:27] <larsrohdin> dr-xr-xr-x   10 root     root
[05:27] <wastrel> uh.
[05:27] <popeywork> there's your answer
[05:27] <wastrel> what file
[05:27] <wastrel> what's the filename
[05:27] <larsrohdin> dr-xr-xr-x   10 root     root        16384 2005-01-02 17:08 Shares
[05:27] <popeywork> its owned by root, and not writable by anyone else..
[05:28] <popeywork> it's a directory too
[05:28] <Dudo> somebody can help me with the modem?
[05:28] <larsrohdin> yeah but im root, right?
[05:28] <wastrel> yeah you shouldn't be writing to a directory
[05:28] <popeywork> dunno, are you root?
[05:28] <wastrel> even root follows the writable flag.
[05:28] <wastrel> otherwise there would be chaos!
[05:29] <larsrohdin> ok, but i want to be able to e.g. change the name of my files...
[05:29] <wastrel> shares would that be a network drive?
[05:29] <BenCov> Hi! What do i need to do for "/lib/libc.so.6: Permission denied" ? I am trying to install Matlab7! Thanks
[05:29] <larsrohdin> no a fat filesystem
[05:30] <Dudo> I've a 56K modem (COM) that aftercompose the number it disconnect
[05:32] <fsalvadora> Hi all, anyone in Spain?
[05:33] <xota> yo
[05:34] <wastrel> i'd like to go to spain
[05:34] <KSoze> KeyserSoze: you in here?
[05:36] <thaytan> seb128: hoopy - want a tester for libxslt ?
[05:37] <seb128> ?
[05:37] <seb128> no, bug fixed with 1.1.12 as said before
[05:37] <seb128> no need to test
[05:37] <seb128> just need to get it built
[05:40] <thaytan> seb128: alrighty - #5617 definitely looks like the same backtrace I'm seeing in gstreamer
[05:40] <payal> hi all
[05:40] <payal> I am shifting 3 of my hr people from windows to ubuntu ... any tips please?
[05:43] <larsrohdin> tuxicity, now i got it working, with -zoom -x1024 -y 768
[05:44] <Mayday> how can i see (from commandline) what packages i have installed from universe?
[05:47] <haakonn_> can anyone on ubuntu tell me if gnome-ppp is available from a standard repository? i don't have access to an ubuntu installation right now
[05:49] <Reikd> re
[05:53] <RobHu> Could someone please help me? I am using Ubuntu Hoarty, and somehow my network settings have stopped working. When I boot up the interfaces don't exist, I have to manually enable them (and set to DHCP) either using the gnome applet or from the cli. If I try /etc/init.d/networking start then it 'fail's. Can anyone suggest what the cause and solutions might be please ? :0)
 I am shifting 3 of my hr people from windows to ubuntu ... any tips please?   tell them is will be diff from windows.
[05:57] <Danko123456> What is the command for formating a disk, or partition?
[05:57] <Destructo> cfdisk
[05:57] <Destructo> well. sorry i havent iinsalled ubuntu yet , but on slackware its cfdisk
[05:58] <Danko123456> thanks
[05:58] <Danko123456> likely...
[05:58] <Danko123456> Anyhow, how do you switch between the partitions?
[05:58] <Destructo> do you ave cfdisk open .. ?
[05:59] <Danko123456> ok yesw.
[05:59] <larsrohdin> can someone help me to change the ownership of a file from root to me?
[05:59] <Wulf_> larsrohdin: become root; chown me file
[06:00] <Wulf_> larsrohdin: cp file file.tmp; rm -f file; mv file.tmp file
[06:00] <larsrohdin> become root, do you mean sudo?
[06:00] <scylax> hi
[06:01] <Wulf_> su, sudo, login as root, exploit, whatever.
[06:01] <Destructo> Danko123456 so in cfdisk just use the arrow keys to switch to partitions
[06:01] <larsrohdin> sudo doesn't work and there's no root account
[06:01] <Destructo>  just use su
[06:01] <larsrohdin> don't work
[06:02] <Destructo> su -
[06:02] <scylax> or sudo -s
[06:02] <Destructo> sudo is overrated btw
[06:02] <scylax> then passwd root
[06:02] <Destructo> hey how is ubunto on usb support
[06:02] <stuNNed> Destructo, is that your IMHO or your IMO? or universal thought?
[06:02] <larsrohdin> sudo chown larsrohdin share
[06:02] <Destructo> ubuntu
[06:02] <Wulf_> larsrohdin: boot with `init=/bin/bash'
[06:02] <larsrohdin> "operation not allowed"
[06:02] <Destructo> stuNNed IMO . sorry forgot to add that
[06:03] <larsrohdin> how what?
[06:03] <eBopBob> Hi folks
[06:03] <stuNNed> Destructo, sudo is quite useful in protecting the system against myself.
[06:03] <larsrohdin> is it possible to activate a root account? thats alot easier
[06:03] <eBopBob> Ok - I have a friend who has a problem with Ubuntu
[06:03] <Destructo> ha . good point
[06:03] <RobHu> I think you can just "sudo passwd root"
[06:03] <RobHu> that will enable root
[06:03] <RobHu> (if you want to be dumb)
[06:03] <mz2> larsrohdin, just do "sudo passwd"
[06:03] <eBopBob> He installed Ubuntu, however it does not show Windows at boot up
[06:04] <larsrohdin> it doesnt work
[06:04] <mz2> yes it does :)
[06:04] <Destructo> Destructo well me personally MO using slackware has taught me alot , including paying attention
[06:04] <eBopBob> He is sure that Windows is on one partition and Linux is on another
[06:04] <eBopBob> Where would the boot.ini be so he could edit it?
[06:04] <larsrohdin> ok... good to know...
[06:04] <Destructo> eBopBob so the question is what mount or dualboot
[06:04] <Destructo> and is he using grub or lilo
[06:05] <eBopBob> He is using standard ubuntu loader
[06:05] <eBopBob> or did he have a choice?
[06:05] <mz2> Destructo, you were asking about usb support? it's all good, both my mp3 players work fine with usb2, digital cam too, and so does my usb midi keyboard
[06:05] <Destructo> i should probably install grub, just so i can offer better help
[06:05] <larsrohdin> its a fat filesystem, does that have anything to do with that i can't give myself ownership to it?
[06:05] <Danko123456> which folder does a different partition sit in? Do I have to mount it?
[06:05] <Destructo> mz2 yeah i have this wireless usb adapter i want to mess with
[06:05] <Destructo> in fstab
[06:06] <larsrohdin> hello?
[06:06] <petemc> larsrohdin: yeah, you cant do that, you set the permissions for fat/ntfs at mount time
[06:06] <decko> Hi people!!! Someone knows where are the ubuntu developers channel???
[06:06] <eBopBob> He did a dual boot he said, however Windows does not show.
[06:06] <Destructo> assumig it was added during the initial setup
[06:06] <mz2> Destructo, what make is it? support for wlan adapter quite varies
[06:06] <larsrohdin> ok, i have written it in fstab... can you see whats wrong?
[06:06] <Destructo> its an aerolan 2011
[06:07] <larsrohdin> /dev/hda6	/mnt/share	vfat	noatime,umask=0222	0 0
[06:07] <Destructo> mz2 with an atmel chip
[06:07] <Destructo> mz2 http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Asante%20FriendlyNET%20AeroLAN%20AL%202011%20Network%20Adapter:1990733107
[06:07] <petemc> larsrohdin: that should make it rwxr-xr-x i believe , use uid= and gid= options in fstab
[06:08] <Dzogi> heya everybody
[06:08] <Dzogi> when I try to play something in xmms/beep-media-player it just freezes
[06:08] <Destructo> everybosy !! hello Dzogi
[06:08] <Dzogi> tried to compile bmp, when i ran ./configure I got this error
[06:08] <Dzogi> checking for X... no
[06:08] <Dzogi> configure: error: Cannot find X11 headers/libraries
[06:08] <eBopBob> Anyone?
[06:08] <Destructo> do you have x installed?
[06:08] <larsrohdin> petemc, how? can you write what i should write
[06:08] <Josip> how I can't have X installed ?
[06:09] <Josip> I was playing with Hoary's repo, tried to update to gnome 2.9.4
[06:09] <Destructo> well you cant run xmms unless you have x
[06:09] <wezzer> try mplayer
[06:09] <Josip> what's the package name for x ?
[06:09] <Destructo> eBopBob ask your friend if he uses grub or lilo
[06:09] <mz2> Destructo, atmel? that's good then, they're supported. you can find the atmel firmware and driver sources and tools from either the ubuntu repository or debian universe (can't remember more precisely=
[06:09] <mz2> )
[06:09] <Josip> I'm playing music with rhythmlet atm
[06:09] <eBopBob> he uses grub
[06:09] <Scooter> heh, just burned the nightly snapshot of hoary, and re-booted... i cant seem to be able to get the insaller to boot... instead of calling it hoary I an starting to call it whory... anyone know how to make hoary ISO boot to installer?
[06:09] <Destructo> Josip not sure i havent iinstallled ubuntu yet
[06:09] <petemc> larsrohdin: /dev/hdN /mnt/point vfat   defaults,uid=youruid,gid=yourgid,umask=002
[06:10] <larsrohdin> ok, ill try that... ill come back if it doesn't work=)
[06:10] <petemc> use "id" to get your uid and gid
[06:10] <Josip> I haven't got x-widnows-system-dev
[06:11] <Josip> but when I try to install it I get .. Depends: libdps-dev but it is not going to be installed
[06:11] <Josip> many lines like that
[06:11] <Destructo> eBopBob i dont use grub so i cant help  you , but if he gets lilo , i can help http://www.buildyourown.org.uk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4213
[06:12] <Destructo> Josip sorry . i have yet to install ubuntu, and im not familiar with the debian style pacakging system
[06:12] <Josip> okay, I've figured it out i think
[06:12] <funkyhat> cos rpms are much better :P
[06:12] <eBopBob> Thing is Ubuntu default is Grub
[06:12] <Destructo> eh
[06:12] <eBopBob> Gonna ask on Ubuntu Forums
[06:13] <Destructo> eBopBob that link i posted is pretty easy
[06:13] <eBopBob> k lemme check it out
[06:13] <Kyuuketsuki> UBUNTU SUCKS!!!!
[06:13] <mz2> what's the point of using lilo anymore?
[06:13] <Kyuuketsuki> haha j/k
[06:13] <Kyuuketsuki> mz2... no point at all
[06:13] <funkyhat> lilo works ;)
[06:13] <mz2> it's history, man :)
[06:13] <Kyuuketsuki> like windows
[06:14] <funkyhat> there is a point using windows.....
[06:14] <Kyuuketsuki> yea.... its like extreme sports and shit
[06:14] <funkyhat> so you can help all your mates who are tech illiterate and ask you how to make it work again!
[06:14] <Destructo> funkyhat very simple , chicks use windows ..
[06:14] <Kyuuketsuki> its a suicidal risk
[06:14] <funkyhat> yeah, and chicks
[06:14] <Destructo> w0rd
[06:15] <mz2> Destructo, bleh, not my type of chicks :)
[06:15] <Destructo> mz2 too bad, more for me then
[06:15] <spiral> hi
[06:15] <funkyhat> mx2, you are gonna be single unless you're very lucky ;)
[06:15] <Skwid_> Destructo: his type ends in '.jpg'
[06:15] <Skwid_> :)
[06:15] <spiral> hmmm... My linux-restricted-modules has just been upgraded... Is that ati driver ?
[06:15] <Destructo> hahaha
[06:15] <mz2> funkyhat, i'm married, you know... :)
[06:16] <spiral> How can I get it working without using fglrxconfig & crashing my xorg.conf file ?
[06:16] <Destructo> my types usually start at .torrent , then end in .mpeg eventually
[06:16] <funkyhat> lol, i didn't, no
 only if you are useing hoary
[06:16] <funkyhat> i do now :P
[06:16] <njs12345> hmm
[06:16] <Bader> hi
[06:16] <spiral> Scooter: yes, it's the case... How should I patch my xorg.conf ?
[06:16] <Destructo> mz2 do you use wireless under ubuntu ?
[06:17] <mz2> Destructo, yes, on my laptop
[06:17] <njs12345> I'm using a dual-monitor system and the window-list applet is small
[06:17] <Destructo> or anyone for that matter. looking for usb wireless adapeters
 i dont know i have been trying to install hoary for 3 days now...
[06:18] <Destructo> mz2 well wireless works great here on my hp laptop running slackware with ndiswrapper .. but trying to get more info on ubuntu and wireless adapters
[06:18] <occy> if I just did:  apt-get build-dep bzflag      and it pulled all the necessary stuff I need.  What's the best method I should go about to building a deb of the latest bzflag   (2.0 was just released! -- and it's not in universe)
[06:18] <spiral> Scooter: :-p
[06:18] <spiral> does anyone here know then ?
[06:18] <Destructo> whats the q ?
[06:18] <Scooter> when I finaly get to the point  of installing the drivers , there is something screwed about the Xorg...
[06:18] <Destructo>  how did you un xorg ..? xorgsetup or config
[06:18] <mz2> Destructo, yes, i'm using ndiswrapper too
[06:19] <Scooter> if I dont get it today, i will just install Fedora 3 , and run the RPM from ATI
[06:19] <Destructo> Scooter dont give up.
[06:19] <Destructo> this isnt windows
[06:19] <mz2> Destructo, it's not perfect... but it's not really a distro-specific problem, but a profound problem with the perverted idea of using windows drivers on linux :)
[06:19] <Scooter> yea, I got my Nvidia box to work no problem
[06:19] <Scooter> works with warty
[06:19] <|G0R3|> i've just literally given up fedora for ubuntu one day ago
[06:20] <Scooter> but my ATI box is totaly worthless without the drivers
[06:20] <Destructo> Scooter in root su - run xorgsetup it will see your card and follow the steps
[06:20] <Destructo> what card is it .. ?
[06:21] <ulisse> hi channel!
[06:21] <Destructo> i have a an ati radeon 9000 something
 Thankyou , I will try that this time 8)
[06:21] <Scooter> I have 9800PRO
[06:21] <larsrohdin> petemc, thanks alot dude! finally i got it working=)
[06:22] <ulisse> a simple question: how much should be the glxgears' fps with an ATI radeon 9000 card ?
[06:22] <larsrohdin> what is the command to switch from gnome to another desktop?
[06:22] <popeywork> *another* desktop?
[06:22] <popeywork> virtual desktop or window manager?
[06:22] <wastrel> ctrl-alt-left arrow
[06:22] <yaaar> howdy
[06:22] <larsrohdin> bad word...=) fluxbox... couldn't find the word on english=)
[06:23] <wastrel> ah another wm
[06:23] <larsrohdin> windowmanager=) thats it!
[06:23] <Destructo> fluxbox is the best
[06:23] <Destructo> popeywork i suggest no virtual desktop
[06:23] <larsrohdin> so ive heard, want to try it... switchdesk worked in red hat... whats the command in ubuntu?
[06:24] <Fish2005> anyone know if i can upgrade debian sarge using the ubuntu cd?
[06:24] <Fish2005> ie when the installer asks for the files
[06:24] <Fish2005> insert the ubuntu cd also
[06:24] <Fish2005> in addition to the debian cd
[06:24] <Fish2005> ?
[06:24] <wezzer> is there boot disk available for ubuntu?
[06:25] <larsrohdin> how to start fluxbox?
[06:25] <Destructo> oh wait nm....
[06:25] <Destructo> sorry i didnt read that correctly
[06:25] <ulisse> nobody has a Radeon 9000 ?
[06:26] <yaaar> Fish2005: i guess you could add the cd as a source in /etc/apt/sources.list  ....but it might cause a lot of trouble, as certain packages will not be part of the upgrade and may not play nice with others that are
[06:26] <Scooter> snyone know how to install the hoary snapshot?
[06:26] <yaaar> Fish2005: it's probably not a good idea
[06:26] <Fish2005> no?
[06:26] <Fish2005> but i got gnome 2.6 in debian
[06:26] <Fish2005> i'd like 2.8
[06:27] <Fish2005> i can ignore the other components
[06:27] <Scooter> I am hopeing that Xorg is already set up on the hoary nightly ISO. I cant get the CD to boot
[06:27] <Bader> what mean "(PCI) Cannot allocate ressource ..." ? and how fix it?
[06:27] <esac> i cant seem to play .wav files. and whenever i click on XMMS it just doesnt open. any suggestions? anything else i can use to play .wav files ?
[06:28] <Fish2005> any help?
[06:28] <ulisse> esac, are you using warty?
 if you installed the Nvidia drivers there is a bug in xmms.. there is a fix in the wiki under howto-bianary drivers
[06:28] <Destructo> ulisse i i do. i think
[06:29] <esac> ah ok
[06:29] <ulisse> Destructo, you mean you have a Radeon 9000 or was it about the warty?
[06:29] <Destructo> ATI Radeon 9000 IGP  this is what i have on slackware .. sorry
[06:30] <ulisse> Destructo, are you using the drivers from ATI?
[06:30] <Destructo> ulisse nah im using the genric ati radeon from xorg config
[06:31] <Destructo> http://ronispc.chem.mcgill.ca/ronis/misc/zv5240ca.html  this is baqsically my laptop , but mine doesnt have the CANADIAN thing
[06:31] <ulisse> Destructo, I just tried the new ATI driver in Ubuntu, and i had a loss of fps (from 1500 to 300)...
[06:32] <larsrohdin> no, that didn't work... does anyone know how to switch to fluxbox from gnome?
[06:32] <Destructo> ulisse 2 thigs maybe .. modprobe the card then run xorgsetup in su -  that way it detects it
[06:32] <Scooter> anyone know if there are .DEB packages for ATI drivers, i am going to try this before i APT-GET hoary again
[06:34] <Destructo> hmmmm i started the install but for some reason it doesnt mount the cd.. it cant fiind it
[06:35] <esac> ok that fixed XMMS, but it still want play .wav files
[06:35] <Destructo> has anyone gotten the YOUR INSTALLATIONCD COULDNT BE MOUNTED ........
[06:35] <Scooter> Hmmm, i just had an Idea,,,, Is the NIghtly hoary snapshot ment to be read bu apt-get or synaptic? is this how the snapshot is supposed to install?
[06:36] <njan> Scooter, there's a howto for the ATI drivers
 yea, i have old bios, and tried to make bootable flag on second hard disk...
[06:37] <Scooter> some bios only let you boot from master HD
 for the New Divers?
[06:37] <Scooter> drivers
[06:38] <larsrohdin> how can i switch between gnome and fluxbox? anyone?
[06:38] <njan> Scooter, not sure, I don't use ati :)
[06:38] <njan> larsrohdin, if you use gdm, you can select your WM from the 'sessions' menu
[06:38] <njan> larsrohdin, if you startx from command-line, .xinitrc is your friend
 you are smart person, I will never buy ATI again
[06:38] <larsrohdin> ok... ill have a look
[06:38] <Scooter> after all this work, the drivers still might be junk
[06:39] <spiral> somebody to help me with ati new driver ?
[06:39] <njan> Scooter, I have one ATI laptop and it has a radeon 7000.. I never bought an ATI again
[06:39] <d3niz> somebody do U now how can I add panel
[06:39] <njan> I specifically got a 64mb nvidia for this laptop instead of a 128mb radeon chipset.
[06:39] <d3niz> my sister touch something and a havent panel now gnome panel :S
[06:40] <Destructo> has anyone ever had issues with the cdrom not mounting the installtion .
 yes, I cant get hoary nightly ISO to boot
[06:41] <Bader> metetc
[06:41] <Destructo> Scooter well it boots , but after detecting hardware to find cdrom drives, it cant find the cdrom cd
[06:42] <Bader> isn't /proc/bus/input/devices the place where my mouse information is displayed ?
 perhaps try burning it to another cdrom? might be bad media
[06:43] <larsrohdin> I cant choose fluxbox in the sessions menu... its not there
 yes it is this way with a few window managers... most of them will show up
[06:44] <larsrohdin> but if they don't?
[06:44] <Scooter> try installing windowmaker, you can pop into fluxbox from there
[06:45] <larsrohdin> ok... apt-get?
[06:45] <Scooter> sudo synaptic
[06:45] <Scooter> just to be safe
[06:46] <Scooter> you might be able to pop into fluxbox from IceWM too
[06:46] <Scooter> I installed enlightnement, I have never been able to find or use it
[06:46] <larsrohdin> ok, im downloading right now
[06:47] <Scooter> hope it works for you :) look in the conext menu under window managers, it is listed there I think
[06:48] <larsrohdin> where?
 have you tried XFce? it is small and lightweight too
[06:48] <NanoTek> Did anyone succeed to install ati drivers on its ubuntu ?
[06:48] <Scooter> right click on desktop to get contex menu
[06:48] <Bader> starting X make term consoles gone crazy... any help on this issue ? I didn't find in the forums...
 nope not me
[06:49] <NanoTek> i've got a conflict between fglrx and "version modules" apparently
[06:49] <larsrohdin> right-click on the desktop? and then window managers?
[06:49] <NanoTek> I'm compiling a 2.6.10
 dont choose fglrx... pick either the Xorg or Xfree version
[06:50] <larsrohdin> i dont understand...=)
[06:50] <Bader> where can I report bugs about post-installation ?
[06:50] <larsrohdin> scooter, help...
[06:51] <NanoTek> scooter i am looking for 3d acceleration :)
 get to the login window again, and under session choose window maker.. then rightclick on desktop after WM loads and choose window managers
[06:51] <larsrohdin> ok...thanks!
 yes, there are a few versions of fglrx now, choose Xorg or Xfree version, search for fglrz in synaptic...
[06:52] <Scooter> fglrx
[06:52] <Scooter> dont just choose vanilla fglrx
[06:53] <Bader> It's now the third time since a week I tried to install Ubuntu on this laptop, it's the third time I got problems, nobody can really help me?
 not unless you tell us what problem is :)
[06:56] <Bader> Scooter: I told the problems at least 10 times since monday
[06:56] <Bader> Scooter: nobody never answer me...
[06:57] <Bader> Scooter: my touchpad is correctly detected but don't work, I don't know why.. my console terms are broken, and my X resolution don't fit
[06:57] <Scooter> Ah! are you useing Xorg? there is a touchpad thing you might need
[06:57] <Bader> no I'm using warty
[06:57] <larsrohdin> scooter, help=)
[06:57] <Scooter> look in synaptic, search for xorg, you will see it
[06:58] <larsrohdin> window manager is not on the list...
[06:58] <Bader> I've no network...
[06:58] <Scooter> :(
[06:58] <Bader> mdetect tell me my mouse is an intellimouse at /dev/psaux
[06:59] <Bader> Ubuntu configured X as a synaptic one, I thought it was good.
[06:59] <Bader> synaptic is also a mouse category for X
 that is a hard one.. Laptops in general are a pain to use with any distro really.. Have you tried to post problem in the forum? that is where a GURU is sure to see it :)
[07:00] <Bader> I think I cand find the solution alone for my touchpad, but for the broken terms I don't know how to do at all
[07:00] <benkong2> I got a couple of ssh questions could someone help?
[07:00] <Bader> Scooter: my english is very bad as you see it
[07:01] <Scooter> bader can Xterm work?
[07:01] <Bader> yep
 so is mine
[07:01] <Scooter> :)
[07:01] <Bader> X run, but not as the right resolution
[07:01] <Scooter> try typeing xterm in commandline, that teminal might work for you
[07:01] <Bader> only my mouse and my terms are really broken
[07:01] <Bader> Scooter: ...
[07:02] <Scooter> gnome-terminal is what you use by default
[07:02] <Scooter> Xterm might not be broken
[07:03] <benkong2> how can I make sure ssh-server is running as a daemon and do I have to sudo when generating keys? When I try to do an /etc/init.d/ssh I get no keys but they are in my home directory.
[07:03] <Scooter> if you are in gnome press application-run application , and type xterm
[07:03] <Scooter> from xterm you might be able to repair gnome terminal
[07:04] <Bader> Scooter: I said you, X works and almost everthing works except my touchpad and my consoles, I mean to configure my touchpad I've to kill X.
[07:04] <Bader> and if I kill X, I have to reboot because my terms are broken
[07:04] <Azumanga_> A quick question (and possible warning). I just updated my ubuntu and rebooted. Now I'm gettin GRUB Error 22, and can get into neither ubuntu or windows :\
[07:04] <Scooter> 0o
[07:04] <Azumanga_> Any suggestions (other than reinstalling?)
 do you have 2 hard disks?
[07:04] <Azumanga_> Nope, just the one
[07:04] <Scooter> hmm,
[07:05] <Scooter> sorry
[07:05] <Scooter> wait, some one else might know
[07:05] <benkong2> Azumanga_; can you boot knoppix live cd
[07:05] <Scooter> if not post in forum
[07:06] <Azumanga_> Unfortunatly I don't have any CDs at the moment, so I'm gonna grab one now and try fiddling with that
[07:06] <Azumanga_> I think I'm going to use this as an excuse to go back to warty, as I find hoary just a little too unstable for my liking :)
[07:06] <benkong2> Yea if you could boot knoppixyou could mount your boot and check the grub menu.lst
[07:06] <Bader> Azumanga_: using backports is often a more reliant solution
[07:07] <benkong2> Hey do I need to be sudo to generate ssh keys?
[07:07] <chka-work> hello,how you enable hald
[07:07] <chka-work> in warty
 I am at same point, i wish I could use New ATI drivers with warty :(
[07:08] <walter> Anyone know anything about Soldat?
[07:09] <Scooter> if I cant get this to work, i am just going to install a .RPM based distro and install it myself.
 yes i got soldat to somewhat work under wine
[07:09] <Scooter> the fonts and sound are broken
[07:09] <chka-work> how i enable hald service
[07:10] <chka-work> ?
[07:10] <walter> I'm getting an error when I try to "Start Game"
[07:10] <Azumanga_> chka: what even is hald?
[07:10] <spiral> please... nobody can tell me how to configure ati on hoary ?
[07:10] <walter> "Cant access < some number > at point <some number> in Soldat.exe"
 yea, I get same problem now that I installed the ALSA package for wine
[07:11] <Destructo> damn . anyone have step by step guide to burning an iso under k3b .. i may have to burn  new iso
[07:11] <walter> Ugh, where can I get an older version of wine then? I just apt-getted the one I have
  i wish I could... I have been waiting for drivers for a long time now
[07:11] <Destructo> my installation cd cant be mounted.. even though i go through like 5 steps
[07:11] <chka-work> i dont know get a message to install it..i think it auto recognize
[07:11] <Azumanga_> I'd imagine if you wait a few days then a guide will appear on the wiki. They have only just come out!
[07:12] <chka-work> usb-devices
[07:12] <Destructo> walter get vmware
 you are right
[07:12] <sabdfl> how do i see scrollback in screen?
[07:12] <spiral> Scooter: I've got them but don't manage to get them working...
 mee too I cant seem to get Xorg to install properly, or the ATI drivers
[07:14] <Scooter> wish it was as easy as setting up the Nvidia drivers
[07:14] <xbaez> hello !
[07:14] <Scooter> I dont see the point of even haveing it in apt-get if it dont fix dependancys and stuff
[07:15] <Azumanga_> Scooter: which dependancies are you talking about?
[07:15] <Scooter> mine are Xorg
[07:15] <Scooter> i have tried apt-get dist-upgrade, and I have tried synaptic
[07:16] <Scooter> both tell me that I got Xorg, yet when I try to install fglrx for xorg it tells me some dependancys have not been met
[07:16] <Azumanga_> Listen. The ATI drivers have ONLY JUST COME OUT. They HAVEN'T BEEN PACKAGED FOR UBUNTU, OR A GUIDE WRITEN YET. There wil at least be a guide within 4 days, I'm sure. For now, just go and play some emulated SNES games, or something which doesn't require binary drivers :)
[07:16] <funkyhat> heh..... this install of ubuntu is taking ages.....
[07:16] <mjg59> Azumanga_: Uh, that's not strictly true.
[07:16] <funkyhat> damn slow pcs
[07:16] <mjg59> They're in Hoary.
[07:17] <Azumanga_> They are?
[07:17] <mjg59> Yes.
[07:17] <mjg59> The package name has changed, and currently it seems to conflict with the old package.
[07:17] <Azumanga_> OK, I missed that :) I would have updated to them, except of course GRUB has killed itself
[07:17] <Azumanga_> _
[07:17] <mjg59> But xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:17] <Scooter> yea hoary is experemental, and Ubuntu should no be judged on its prformance....
[07:17] <sri|work> hi mjg59
[07:17] <mjg59> Oh man
[07:17] <mjg59> You get everywhere
[07:18] <sri|work> mjg59, yeah, but I'm not as bad as some people like say..pippin
[07:18] <sri|work> mjg59, he's everywhere!
[07:18] <mjg59> sri|work: When did you become an ubuntu whore?
[07:18] <Scooter> Azumanga_ I have suse, Ubuntu warty is much nicer in some ways 8)
[07:18] <sri|work> mjg59, since last november :P
[07:19] <Tsjoklat> since when are ubuntu users refering themselves like users of slackware :|
[07:19] <Destructo> hey is it possible to install through a terminal ..
 warty?
[07:19] <Destructo> yes
[07:19] <Azumanga_> Actually, while I'm here, can I get some kind of cofiguration utility for the nvidia binary drivers (I want to configure the TV-out)?
[07:19] <Kyuuketsuki> no
[07:19] <Destructo> because for some reason it doesnt load the installtion
[07:19] <Scooter> there is a guied in wiki on how to install from other distro and live cd
[07:20] <Destructo> well.. theres an option for terminal ..
[07:20] <Tsjoklat> Azumanga_ have you tried the wiki page? or the ubuntuguide page?
[07:20] <Destructo> the cdrom is fine..
 yea, there is a config utility, but i have no idea about TV out
[07:20] <Destructo> whats the url for the wiki
[07:20] <Destructo>  /topic
[07:20] <Destructo> eh
[07:20] <Tsjoklat> topic Destructo
[07:21] <Scooter> look in wiki under binary driver how to, they tell how to install other Nvidia packages
[07:21] <Bader> Scooter: I try some hints found on the web, now I've to reboot for almost the 42 times...
[07:22] <Azumanga_> I had a look around for an nvidia configure program, I found a few pages that list lines of xfree86 config lines, looks like I'll just have to stop being lazy and read one :)
[07:23] <funkyhat> looks like it ;)
[07:24] <Destructo> i ahd to check the cdrom intergrity .. now it seems to be working
[07:24] <Bader> when I did a cat /dev/psaux nothing happens, any idea ?
[07:25] <Bader> and /dev/input/mice did the same
[07:25] <crimsun> Bader: synaptics touchpad?
[07:26] <crimsun> Bader: is 'psmouse' loaded?
[07:26] <Bader> crimsun: yep, synaptics touchpad
[07:26] <Bader> psmouse is loaded
[07:26] <larsrohdin> scooter, you here?
[07:27] <Cygnusx> help me, i have installed Ubuntu, and i needed to install xfree86, so i did, with synaptic, and now when i reboot i cannot log in graphical, it switches back to a terminal login
[07:27] <Bader> crimsun: any idea?
[07:28] <occy> if I just did:  apt-get build-dep bzflag      and it pulled all the necessary stuff I need.  What's the best method I should go about to building a deb of the latest bzflag   (2.0 was just released! -- and it's not in universe)
[07:28] <crimsun> Bader: in bios, is there a 'legacy mouse' option enabled?
[07:28] <Bader> Cygnusx: by default Ubuntu install X, you don't have to install it
[07:28] <Bader> Cygnusx: do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:28] <kogorman_> ...
[07:28] <larsrohdin> Scooter, i still can't get windowmanager to work... iv'e installed it. now what?
[07:28] <Bader> crimsun: I don't know, if it's the case do I have to unable it ?
[07:28] <crimsun> Bader: yes. It's a FAQ.
[07:29] <Cygnusx> TerminX: Bader , it asks how many KiB my videocard is, its 128 mb ram, how many do i have to type?
[07:29] <crimsun> occy: if you're absolutely teeting for it, uupdate & family.
[07:29] <Bader> if it's true, it's really bad said because during the last days I spent all my free time into searching how to fix it...
[07:29] <occy> crimsun: heyaz bud.
[07:29] <crimsun> occy: otherwise, wait an afternoon or two and it'll be pulled in.
[07:29] <crimsun> teething^
[07:30] <occy> crimsun: family?
[07:30] <crimsun> occy: heya, how's life?
[07:30] <Bader> Cygnusx: don't specify it
[07:30] <occy> crimsun: never heard that term before
[07:31] <crimsun> occy: 'uupdate' is part of the 'devscripts' package, which you can use to generate the infrastructure for creating a deb from a new upstream source revision.
[07:31] <spiral> "Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"." when I launch fglrxinfo...
[07:31] <spiral> any idea ?
[07:33] <Cygnusx> okay
[07:33] <Cygnusx> ive done the configurating part
[07:33] <Cygnusx> what now?
[07:34] <mike_douglas> the libgtksourceview-cil package seems to be broken in Hoary's universe. It conflicts with libgtksourceview-common (over the nemerle.lang file)
[07:35] <Bader> crimsun: I didn't find anything about it on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view/%22, could you tell me what link it is?
[07:36] <Destructo> installtion so far so good
[07:37] <crimsun> Bader: http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/trouble-shooting.txt
[07:37] <Bader> and why xresprobe tell me wrong resolutions ?
[07:37] <crimsun> occy: are you running Hoary?
[07:37] <occy> crimsun: no sir
[07:38] <occy> crimsun: hoary horked on me the other day.
[07:38] <occy> crimsun: safe to upgrade at the moment?
[07:38] <occy> (well the other week or so when I tried it)
[07:38] <Bader> crimsun: thanks
[07:38] <crimsun> occy: now? yes. I'd stick w/ Warty unless you like blood. ;-)
[07:38] <occy> crimsun: heh, no blood please.
[07:39] <Bader> crimsun: but do you think it's possible mdetect detects my mouse but cat /dev/psaux displays nothing ?
[07:39] <crimsun> Bader: certainly. Did you disable that bios option?
[07:40] <Bader> crimsun: I didn't reboot yet, I've some issue with screen resolution and broken text terms to fix first.
[07:40] <larsrohdin> does anyone know how to make wmanager to work? i want to switch fron gnome to open box
[07:41] <larsrohdin> anyone?
[07:42] <larsrohdin> noone here?
[07:42] <crimsun> larsrohdin: if you install openbox via aptitude/synaptic/apt-get/dselect, it will create an entry under Session in the GDM login screen.
[07:42] <zAo^> Who can help me? I removed a file, 1 minute ago. Now I want it back!
[07:42] <larsrohdin> ok, ill try that
[07:43] <crimsun> larsrohdin: simply select Openbox, and log in.
[07:43] <larsrohdin> ok
[07:43] <Tsjoklat> zAo^ sudo apt-get install 'filename'
[07:43] <Bader> crimsun: I did a modprobe evdev; modprobe tsdev; rmmod psmouse; modprobe psmouse and it works
[07:43] <crimsun> occy: if you'd like, I'd build you a bzflag 2.0 deb.
[07:43] <zAo^> Tsjoklat, that doesnt work :-S "Cannot reinstall/ Already latest version"
[07:43] <occy> crimsun: that would rock bud.
[07:44] <occy> crimsun: save me some extreme headaches
[07:44] <Bader> crimsun: so it's obviously a bug.
[07:44] <Tsjoklat> dpkg-reconfigure packagename
[07:44] <Tsjoklat> that will reinstall the package you want
[07:44] <Bader> crimsun: thank you anyway :)
[07:44] <Tsjoklat> zAo^ what file did you remove than if you don't mind me asking?
[07:45] <zAo^> Tsjoklat, I removed /lib/libuu.so.0
[07:45] <zAo^> I wanted te remove a symlink :)
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> just like that... without removing the program that uses it?
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> mmm do you even know what prog was using that lib?
[07:45] <Destructo> damn what dos ubunto use for x  xorg or xfree >
[07:46] <occy> crimsun: how do I "un-apt-get source bzflag" heh.
[07:46] <Tsjoklat> Destructo: warty xfree hoary xorg
[07:46] <Destructo> crap ok
[07:46] <Destructo> thanks
[07:46] <occy> crimsun: I want to get rid of the old source I just apt-get installed
[07:46] <zAo^> Tsjoklat, Yes I do know. klibido
[07:46] <crimsun> occy: just erase it from `pwd`
[07:46] <calc> daniels: nvidia-glx needs ati kernel source now?
[07:47] <crimsun> Bader: what's a bug?
[07:47] <tasuki> hello, this is my first time running ubuntu :-)
[07:47] <Destructo> mz2 hey you still here ?
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> zAo^ do a dpkg-reconfigure or hit reinstall in synaptic
[07:47] <crimsun> Bader: the detection depends on a hardware setting you need to set in bios.
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> hi tasuki
[07:47] <calc> daniels: see fglrx-kernel-source full description for details ;)
[07:47] <zAo^> Tsjoklat, reinstall was not possible. I rebuilded it. echo $? gives '0' so... :-) Thanks
[07:47] <tasuki> I am quite satisfied, except that one package was somehow corrupted, and I would like to apt-get it from the net, but it refuses and wants to download it from the cd
[07:48] <crimsun> occy: actually you can just pull the debs from incoming if you do it _really_ fast-like.
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> zAo^ you did it man yourself?
[07:48] <Destructo> does ubuntu offer some kind of USb setup program ..?
[07:48] <spiral> please... can somebody look at this http://rafb.net/paste/results/WFLGzu23.html and tell me what I should edit to get 3d acceleration ?
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> zAo^ make install clean? and do it again?
[07:48] <occy> crimsun: where?
[07:48] <occy> crimsun: msg me
[07:49] <crimsun> occy: wget http://incoming.debian.org/bzflag_2.0.0.20050118_i386.deb http://incoming.debian.org/bzflag-server_2.0.0.20050118_i386.deb
[07:49] <zAo^> Tsjoklat, man myself? Removing? Yes I did
[07:49] <Bader> crimsun: ok, I'll fix it, but it should have been written somewhere than simply doing a modprove/rmmod solve temporary the problem
[07:49] <occy> got server
[07:49] <crimsun> occy: you have less than one minute before the daily run begins ;)
[07:49] <occy> getting other now
[07:49] <occy> 60% [[07:49] <Tsjoklat> zAo^ did you compile it yourself? or is it a .deb? or what lol
[07:49] <Destructo>  Download the accelerated drivers from ATI's website. There should be instructions there.
[07:49] <calc> crimsun: eh? i thought daily runs at ~ 1:53pm CST
[07:49] <Bader> crimsun: if my network card isn't recognized it's because of the same thing?
[07:49] <occy> 100%[[07:49] <occy> hehe
[07:49] <crimsun> Bader: what network card?
[07:50] <zAo^> Any1 formiliar with this error? "klibido: relocation error: klibido: undefined symbol: UUInitialize"
[07:50] <Bader> crimsun: realtek
[07:50] <occy>  bzflag depends on libsdl1.2debian (>> 1.2.7+1.2.8); however:
[07:50] <occy>   Version of libsdl1.2debian on system is 1.2.7-7.
[07:50] <larsrohdin> No, it still doesn't work... Open box is not on the list.
[07:50] <Bader> crimsun: realtek 8139
[07:51] <occy> crimsun: same thing with the bzflag-server
[07:51] <Destructo> spiral also you have to have the kernel sources enabe 3d accell...
[07:52] <crimsun> occy: ok, then I'll build it this afternoon if you don't mind. Can you check back around 4:30 PM EST?
[07:52] <occy> crimsun: yessir
[07:52] <Bader> crimsun: hal found it correctly; but ifconfig don't display it
[07:52] <occy> crimsun: sure will bud.
[07:52] <mz2> Destructo, yup?
[07:52] <scylax> do i need to apt-get dist-upgrade to get hoary? (i changed sources.list and did apt-get upgrade)
[07:52] <spiral> Destructo: I have linux-restricted-modules... should't it be sufficient ?
[07:52] <crimsun> scylax: yes.
[07:52] <scylax> ok thanx
[07:52] <Bader> crimsun: forget, it works now, thanks :)
[07:52] <crimsun> scylax: or Synaptic's "Smart Upgrade"
[07:53] <scylax> i prefer the command line:)
[07:53] <Destructo> spiral for 3d acell you need to dlaod the ati drivers , enable them in the kernel
[07:53] <mz2> Destructo, no specific setup tool for usb stuff, not that i know of at least
[07:53] <Destructo> spiral basically you question http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t253955.html
[07:54] <Destructo> your
[07:54] <Destructo> mz2 to be honest ive never deal with usb .. what do i do ..?  the installation is going atm , so i waiting
[07:54] <jonmasters> Anyone know where LaMont is hanging out
[07:54] <jonmasters> ?
[07:55] <Destructo> i know a Lamont , but hes at rikers island
[07:57] <Destructo> ok ubuntu is installed .  !!
[07:58] <Destructo> anyone want to help me with USB
[07:58] <thenuke> you are better of stating your problem, instead of asking if someone can read your mind and then know if that someone are able to help you with usb
[07:59] <Destructo> k nebver messed with usb . i have a usb wireless adapter . how do i get my linux to see it ..
[08:01] <larsrohdin> why wont open box appear on the list when i login?
[08:02] <crimsun> occy: what cpu do you use?
[08:02] <crimsun> larsrohdin: did you restart gdm?
[08:02] <larsrohdin> how to?
[08:02] <crimsun> larsrohdin: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:04] <crimsun> stuNNed: there must be something awry with your menu entry for gmplayer. Someone else attests that it executes perfectly.
[08:05] <maximaus> Hi everyone. :-) I was wondering if there was a way to add Swedish language support if I forgot to add it during install.
[08:06] <maximaus> I see ispell and OpenOffice dictionaries, but was wanting to have an actual gnome session in Swedish.
[08:06] <stuNNed> crimsun, you're right, sorry about that, it's probably on my end as i did an downgrade from hoary to wary, thanks, anymore testing i can do let me know, i should have mentioned that beforehand, but it works!
[08:06] <larsrohdin> no, still not there... but you gave me a heartattack when the screen went black=) didnt expect that...
[08:06] <riffic> hello, can someone help me with a sound card problem.. I'm getting this error after an upgrade in hoary to the newest kernel.
[08:06] <riffic>  * Starting ALSA...
[08:06] <riffic> /etc/init.d/alsa: Error: alsactl restore failed with message 'alsactl: load_stat *1134: No soundcards found...'.                                         [ ok ] 
[08:06] <Destructo> hmmm how come i dnt have root ? what do i need to do ?
[08:06] <riffic> its a hercules gtxp with the cirrus logic chip btw
[08:06] <crimsun> riffic: which sound card?
[08:06] <topyli> maximaus: dpkg-reconfigure locales helps at least a bit
[08:06] <crimsun> riffic: lsmod|grep ^snd_cs46xx
[08:06] <riffic> cs46xx i believe
[08:06] <larsrohdin> then whats wrong?
[08:07] <crimsun> Destructo: follow the instructions on the wiki for root/sudo
[08:07] <Destructo> k
[08:07] <llamabutcher> to uncomment lines means what?
[08:07] <maximaus> topyli, will that remove english support? or can I safely run it without borking my system?
[08:07] <riffic> snd_cs46xx             86664  0
[08:07] <llamabutcher> i cant seem to get to install anything because my apt/sources.list is funky
[08:07] <larsrohdin> why wont open box appear on the list i gdm?
[08:07] <topyli> maximaus: no, you can add more locales without removing others. then choose default
[08:08] <maximaus> cool, topyli I'll give it a shot, back in a moment...
[08:08] <jatos> make[7] : Leaving directory `/home/jamie/konstruct/libs/qt-x11-free/work/qt-x11-free-3.3.3/src'
[08:08] <jatos> make[6] : *** [sub-src]  Error 2
[08:08] <jatos> make[6] : Leaving directory `/home/jamie/konstruct/libs/qt-x11-free/work/qt-x11-free-3.3.3'
[08:08] <jatos> make[5] : *** [build-work/qt-x11-free-3.3.3/Makefile]  Error 2
[08:08] <jatos> make[5] : Leaving directory `/home/jamie/konstruct/libs/qt-x11-free'
[08:08] <jatos> make[4] : *** [dep-../../libs/qt-x11-free]  Error 2
[08:08] <jatos> make[4] : Leaving directory `/home/jamie/konstruct/libs/arts'
[08:08] <jatos> make[3] : *** [dep-../../libs/arts]  Error 2
[08:08] <jatos> make[3] : Leaving directory `/home/jamie/konstruct/kde/kdelibs'
[08:08] <jatos> make[2] : *** [dep-../../kde/kdelibs]  Error 2
[08:08] <topyli> maximaus: i have everything in english, i just have finnish support here :)
[08:08] <crimsun> jatos: please don't flood here, thanks. Use #flood.
[08:08] <jatos> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/jamie/konstruct/kde/kdepim'
[08:08] <jatos> make[1] : *** [dep-../../kde/kdepim]  Error 2
[08:08] <jatos> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/jamie/konstruct/meta/kdepim-crypto'
[08:08] <jatos> make: *** [install]  Error 2
[08:08] <jatos> anyone know what that is likely to be caused by?
[08:08] <jatos> sorry I was expecting the client to put that in one msg
[08:09] <riffic> irc doesn't support multiline
[08:09] <crimsun> jatos: no, the real compilation error is far above that.
[08:09] <topyli> jatos: you flooded on purpose! :)
[08:09] <riffic> multiline messages
[08:09] <crimsun> larsrohdin: dpkg -l openbox|grep ^ii
[08:09] <jatos> er no I just copyied and pasted from the shell
[08:09] <crimsun> riffic: more /proc/asound/cards
[08:09] <stuNNed> crimsun, how to fix the menu entry?  anything like delete ~/.gconf or?
[08:10] <riffic> no soundcards, crimsun
[08:10] <larsrohdin> crimsun, then what?
[08:10] <llamabutcher> hey guys, im trying to install stuff but my sources.list might be funky, i added the repositories that i found on google, but it still says i shoudl run apt-get update
[08:10] <llamabutcher> but even that doesnt work properly
[08:10] <llamabutcher> do i have to do something to the list?
[08:10] <llamabutcher> it says uncomment the following 2 lines, what does that mean exactly?
[08:10] <riffic> it was working with 2.6.8 kernel
[08:10] <maximaus> topyli, well it seems to have worked--doesn't the system need to d/l the language files sor anything?
[08:11] <topyli> should infrared Just Work on ubuntu too or is my two days fight just business as normal?
[08:11] <topyli> maximaus: no, the locales package has all locales
[08:11] <larsrohdin> crimsun, what was supposed to happen with dpkg -l openbox|grep ^ii??
[08:11] <maximaus> Ok, tack ska du ha--back in a sec.
[08:11] <topyli> maximaus: in fact, i think glibc has them, and locales just configures them
[08:11] <llamabutcher> anyone?
[08:12] <Riddell> jatos: put the full error in a file on a web server somewhere and give us the URL
[08:12] <crimsun> larsrohdin: what version?
[08:12] <maximaus> LOL, topyli, thank goodness for smart folks like you.
[08:12] <larsrohdin> aha,3.2-4
[08:12] <crimsun> occy: ping. I have your debs ready and am generating Packages.gz for you.
[08:12] <topyli> maximaus: heh. they do look a bit like me but that's a disguise :)
[08:13] <|blk|> does anyone know of a lightweight web browser that includes tabbed browsing? im using dillo at the moment
[08:13] <topyli> i can't even sync my freaking phone
[08:13] <jatos> ok ridddel
[08:13] <llamabutcher> what does it mean to uncomment lines in my sources.list guys?
[08:14] <topyli> llamabutcher: remove the #'s from beginning
[08:14] <llamabutcher> right, so when they say to uncomment the following 2 lines do they mean the first 2 repositories?
[08:14] <occy> crimsun: back
[08:14] <larsrohdin> crimsun, found something out?
[08:14] <llamabutcher> cuz i added a few different ones i found on google, but it still doesnt seem to work
[08:14] <occy> crimsun: you rock :)[tm] 
[08:15] <crimsun> larsrohdin: no, I'm working on something atm. Please wait a few minutes, thanks.
[08:15] <larsrohdin> crimsun, ok, no problem!
[08:15] <topyli> llamabutcher: the following two probably mean the two lines right after the line that says it :)
[08:16] <fox-paul> hi all. for the folks using hoary, can anyone tell me how stable gnome is in it? i want to upgrade to hoary, but not if it's too unstable
[08:16] <maximaus> topyli--Gnome is now in Swedish. :) Very nice--just strange that it didn't have the language available in GDM by default like Fedora.
[08:17] <llamabutcher> i dont think thats it
[08:17] <topyli> maximaus: it might have it after you restart gdm or perhaps after next boot. this box has a finnish option
[08:17] <llamabutcher> cuz now it keeps saying Type 'N.B.' is not known on line 9 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:17] <llamabutcher> cuz the first 2 characters of the line i uncommented was nb
[08:18] <maximaus> topyli, no it's working great, GDM gives me the choic of English or Swedish now.
[08:18] <topyli> llamabutcher: put the comments back. only valid lines (starting with a deb) should be uncommented
[08:18] <esac> what do i install to get aclocal ?
[08:19] <mike_douglas> n
[08:19] <llamabutcher> right, tahts wha ti thought... so how come i cant do the apt-get update?
[08:19] <fox-paul> for the folks using hoary, can anyone tell me how stable gnome is in it? i want to upgrade to hoary, but not if it's too unstable
[08:19] <topyli> maximaus: oh, you mean it didn't have swedish right from day one? maybe fedora has all locales configured by default, and debian doesn't
[08:19] <crimsun> occy: sec, I'm rearranging my dir structure.
[08:20] <occy> crimsun: yessir
[08:20] <occy> crimsun: no worries mate ;)
[08:20] <Nap> hello !
[08:20] <maximaus> topyli, exactly. No matter, I'm guilty of doing an incorrect install. Thank you. That was simple. :)
[08:21] <Nap> do I need 'universe' source to install mysql support for php ?
[08:21] <Nap> I am using hoary
[08:21] <topyli> maximaus: np. now you can help me configure my bloody infrared dongle :)
[08:21] <topyli> all this reading hurts my brain
[08:22] <maximaus> topyli, I wish I could return the favour, but I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. :P
[08:22] <Destructo> ok. im not familair with SUDO can someone hold my hand and walk me through please
[08:24] <maximaus> Destructo, you just want to use the command "sudo"?
[08:24] <topyli> maximaus: everywhere i look on the web, all i can see is "it's simple" and "it should work very well" :/
[08:24] <occy> heh, /me just switched to size 10 font.
[08:24] <occy> I must be going blind finally.
[08:24] <occy> size 8 is just a wee bit too much these days.
[08:24] <Skwid_> does ANT exist for ubuntu ?
[08:24] <major_payne> how do I turn off the screen savers in ubuntu?
[08:24] <funkyhat> if it exists for debian
[08:24] <Destructo> maximaus i want to add a user , so i stay away from root as much as a i can
[08:25] <maximaus> topyli, it's more comforting when it's difficult for everybody, but easy for you. :D
[08:25] <Skwid_> it's not on synaptic :(
[08:25] <occy> major_payne: panel > computer > desktop prefs.
[08:25] <maximaus> Destructo, you ARE a user
[08:25] <funkyhat> get the .deb package for it
[08:25] <Destructo> occy damn 10 is like very small
[08:25] <Destructo> maximaus well user with root access ..?
[08:25] <occy> Destructo: hehe
[08:25] <major_payne> occy: Were is this panel > computer?
[08:25] <major_payne> it's not in the menu
[08:25] <maximaus> Destructo, a user that MAY have root access ;)
[08:25] <occy> major_payne: look for a panel on your gnome desktop.  heh.
[08:26] <Destructo> maximaus damn. thats scary
[08:26] <Destructo> major_payne next to Application
[08:26] <maximaus> Destructo, you still have to type "sudo command" for something to execute as root.
[08:26] <major_payne> occy: I can see the panel, but there is noting labeled "computer"
[08:26] <Destructo> ah ok ..
[08:26] <occy> major_payne: You should see something called:  Applications Computer
[08:26] <occy> major_payne: in that case, you have removed the menu bar from your panel.
[08:26] <Destructo> damn im confused ..
[08:26] <occy> major_payne: I'd suggest you re-add it.  right click on it... and add menu bar
[08:27] <maximaus> Destructo, that's just like OS X, not very scary at all. The first user of your system is allowed this privelege by default, but not the additional users.
[08:27] <major_payne> occy: No, I got the menu bar, but in the menu I can't see a menu called comptuer
[08:27] <Destructo> ah ok.
[08:27] <Destructo> im so used to adding a user..
[08:27] <occy> major_payne: heh, then, you don't have it.  here, look at this screenshot:
[08:27] <major_payne> I know how to add stuff to the panel, I just can't find what you are talking in the menu
[08:27] <Destructo> right click and add it
[08:27] <occy> http://occy.net/tmp/chiro-screenshot.png
[08:27] <occy> bottom left
[08:27] <occy> :)
[08:27] <major_payne> humm, I have te menu on my pannel, but the object you are talking about is not in my menu
[08:27] <major_payne> it's the paw, I know
[08:28] <topyli> major_payne: there's two kinds of menus: main menu and menu bar. you have the main menu
[08:28] <major_payne> I have been using Gnome for a long time, but there is no sub menu called "computer" even under applications
[08:28] <occy> topyli: heh, Almost said the same thing.
[08:28] <occy> major_payne: read what topyli just wrote
[08:28] <maximaus> Destructo,  when you run something like gdmsetup from the menu--it actually runs "sudo gdmsetup" if that makes sense.
[08:28] <occy> major_payne: I direct you, again, to topyli's comment.
[08:28] <crimsun> occy: deb http://www.sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./
[08:28] <occy> major_payne: right click on panel > add to panel ...  > menu bar  (NOT menu)  :)
[08:29] <occy> crimsun: add that to sources.list
[08:29] <occy> ?
[08:29] <major_payne> humm, ok, now I understand, sorry
[08:29] <crimsun> occy: yep, and then update and bz away.
[08:29] <Destructo> maximaus well i like to compile stuff on my own, so ill have to get used to this
[08:29] <major_payne> is there anyway I can get all of this in my main menu then, the menu bar takes up too much space
[08:29] <occy> crimsun: w00p
[08:29] <occy> crimsun: thanks bunches,  Do you play bzflag too?
[08:30] <maximaus> Destructo: you can create a root account if you like that way better, so you can just "su" and stay logged in as root instead of having to "sudo"for every command.
[08:30] <mz2> whoa! ATi's released drivers for X.org!
[08:30] <crimsun> occy: I did a few times, but I'm horrible at video games.
[08:30] <Destructo> maximaus what i want is to create a user account yes.. then su to root when i wat to do make install etc...
[08:31] <crimsun> larsrohdin: ok, what're the issues again?
[08:31] <maximaus> Destructo, you don't need to create a new user account to do that, but you can change things so that you can su to root OR sudo.
[08:32] <maximaus> Destructo, I forget how though, LOL, have a search at ubuntulinux.org for a how-to. ;)
[08:32] <farruinn> Destructo: sudo -s -H will give you a root shell
[08:32] <yaaar> Destructo: or you can do "sudo passwd"
[08:33] <farruinn> sudo -s -H won't activate the root account or do as yaaar says to activate root
[08:33] <larsrohdin> crimsun, openbox wont show in the list in gdm
[08:33] <Cygnusx> I reinstalled Xfree86 on my new ubuntu installation, and after that i have configured the installation, how do i run X now?
[08:33] <yaaar> Cygnusx: 'startx'
[08:34] <LeChux> Hi! Does anyone know any(good) images for a network boot disk... I tried debians but I never really get it working correctly... So another bootdisk that makes me able to install ubuntu from a network?
[08:34] <Cygnusx> yaaar startx: command not foune
[08:34] <Cygnusx> yaaar startx: command not found ...
[08:34] <riffic> crimsun: any ideas on the alsa stuff?
[08:34] <froust> Cygnusx: init 5
[08:34] <maximaus> yaaar, does "sudo password" keep you logged in as root in a terminal?
[08:35] <riffic> sudo -s will, maximaus
[08:35] <im_ka> i've just built in a supersilent 500w power supply
[08:35] <farruinn> sudo passwd root will allow you to set a root password
[08:35] <maximaus> crap, I just learned something. :P
[08:35] <ogra> maximaus: why dont you just use the root terminal from the menu ?
[08:35] <Cygnusx> must be superuser froust
[08:35] <im_ka> after replacing my cpu fan, this was the 2nd and last step of building a server in my bedroom ;)
[08:35] <froust> Cygnusx: sudo init 5
[08:35] <PotajiTo> wenas
[08:36] <riffic> mz2: ati released drivers, heh
[08:36] <Cygnusx> okay froust , and now?
[08:36] <riffic> still hoarderware?
[08:36] <occy> crimsun: cool :) tx.
[08:36] <maximaus> ogra, Oh I was inquiring more for Destructo , I'm a sudo kind of guy. :)
[08:36] <riffic> or are they open?
[08:36] <froust> Cygnusx: should work
[08:36] <ogra> maximaus: great, sudo is for the cool ones ;)
[08:36] <maximaus> LOL
[08:36] <topyli> Cygnusx, froust: runlevel 5 is no different than the default 2 on debian
[08:37] <froust> topyli: He was asking how to get to X... On my box, init 5 works
[08:37] <Cygnusx> yeah, now i am in runlevel: 5
[08:38] <Cygnusx> but what to do now..
[08:38] <topyli> froust: you're on ubuntu?
[08:38] <jatos> http://qh2.qbtk.com/143-r - thats my error
[08:38] <topyli> froust: i believe you have redhat :)
[08:38] <larsrohdin> crimsun, any  ideas what could be wrong?
[08:38] <froust> topyli: negative
[08:38] <Cygnusx> froust? topyli ?
[08:39] <mojo_> Hello.  Is anyone here familiar with the audio setup on ubuntu?  I need to re-order my sound cards, and I need to pass some data to the midi channel on my audigy2 so that it will initialize the live-drive box (activates the ir so i can use my remote).
[08:39] <froust> topyli: i use redhat at school, so i might have gotten them confused... i thought i did it at home tho
[08:39] <adapt> anyone running CS:Source with a reasonable framerate?
[08:39] <topyli> Cygnusx: you need to start x with, say "startx". or install a display manager
[08:39] <Cygnusx> startx does not work
[08:39] <topyli> froust: look at /etc/inittab. debian is different
[08:39] <adapt> Cygnusx, whats error
[08:39] <froust> topyli: like i say, i could have gotten it confused
[08:40] <froust> adapt: CS Source on linux?
[08:40] <adapt> yeah
[08:40] <Cygnusx> -bash: startx: command not found adapt
[08:40] <topyli> froust: happens
[08:40] <Cygnusx> without the adapt after it , but that's just your name
[08:40] <adapt> Cyberjames, `/usr/X11R6/bin/start`
[08:40] <froust> when did that happen?
[08:40] <jatos> could someone check ot that error for me
[08:40] <major_payne> how do you get CS:S working with Linux?
[08:41] <adapt> I just got CS:Source working under ubuntu via Cedega. i get around 20+ fps , but not enough to make it really fun. i mean its playable but its a bit jumpy
[08:41] <froust> cedega?
[08:41] <adapt> i know there are ways to speed it up but im not sure of them all
[08:42] <adapt> froust, winex is now cedega
[08:42] <rexec> /2/2
[08:42] <froust> aaah
[08:42] <Cygnusx> adapt: can you help me?
[08:42] <adapt> Cygnusx, , `/usr/X11R6/bin/start`
[08:42] <major_payne> interesting, I could never run it on my laptop anyway, but I do like to play cs:s on my windows boc
[08:42] <adapt> Cygnusx, , `/usr/X11R6/bin/startx`
[08:42] <major_payne> box*
[08:42] <topyli> Cygnusx: install at least x-window-system-core. you don't have the X utilities like startx installed
[08:43] <mz2> riffic, but it's amazing :)
[08:43] <adapt> Cygnusx, did you do a normal install?
[08:43] <Cygnusx> no, i installed it trough synaptic
[08:43] <adapt> start with regular debian?
[08:43] <Cygnusx> is ubuntu warty standard installed with Xfree? of X.org
[08:43] <adapt> xfree
[08:43] <Cygnusx> xfree?
[08:44] <adapt> yup
[08:44] <Cygnusx> normally al osses now come with x.org?
[08:44] <adapt> nah. just linux distro's
[08:44] <farruinn> cygnusx hoary has xorg
[08:44] <LeChux> Is there any good boot-disk-images out there. I need to install ubuntu from network you see
[08:44] <LeChux> ?
[08:44] <Cygnusx> i thought it was x.org so i tried to install xfree
[08:44] <Cygnusx> becouse xorg doesnt support the ati drivers :)
[08:44] <Po0ky> it does now
[08:45] <froust> When I do a clean warty install, is it a good idea to download packages from the internet (as prompted) or should I wait and go through them 1 by one
[08:45] <rexec> has anybody gotten a bluetooth device connected to an ubuntu box?
[08:45] <adapt> froust, dload them from the internet when prompted
[08:45] <mz2> Cygnusx, it does now
[08:45] <topyli> Cygnusx: ahh... ok :)
[08:45] <adapt> then do another `smart upgrade` via synaptic once your in your new box
[08:46] <froust> and then upgrade to hoary?
[08:46] <adapt>  i didnt. you can
[08:46] <topyli> Cygnusx: just install a metapackage like x-window-system-core, gnome, or even ubuntu-desktop and you'll get it all settled
[08:46] <adapt> Cyberjames, topyli is right, just do a ubuntu-desktop and you will be running.... ubuntu like you just installed it
[08:47] <adapt> i mean Cygnusx
[08:47] <no0tic> I've installed hoary from arry2 and sound doesn't work
[08:47] <no0tic> what can I do?
[08:47] <felixdz> How do I give read permissions to read /dev/hda1 /mnt/windowsC
[08:47] <felixdz> ??
[08:47] <Cygnusx> so adapt, i can reinstall ubuntu and then install the ati drivers with no problem?
[08:47] <adapt> ?
[08:48] <adapt> the drivers have to do with  xorg and xfree, not ubuntu
[08:48] <Cygnusx> i know
[08:48] <Cygnusx> but its a new ubuntu installation
[08:48] <Cygnusx> so the quickest way to get things fixed is to just reinstall
[08:48] <Cygnusx> i think that will be the easyest way for me
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> I have ATI and had no need for ati drivers
[08:49] <Cygnusx> i want to use Cedega to run CS:Source :
[08:49] <Cygnusx> :)
[08:49] <felixdz> The file permissions are owned by root but even with sudo I can't change them
[08:49] <no0tic> please...
[08:49] <larsrohdin> crimsun, have you given up?=)
[08:49] <adapt> Cygnusx, what kind of card
[08:49] <Destructo> does ubuntu have ndiswrapper already installed ..? or do i need to dload it
[08:49] <no0tic> Destructo: apt-get install ndiswrapper
[08:50] <Destructo> no0tic i dont have the wirelss going atm
[08:50] <Cygnusx> Ati Radeon 9200 SE
[08:50] <Cygnusx> it works on windows xp with 35 frames
[08:50] <adapt> Cygnusx, i dont htink that will run it
[08:50] <no0tic> Destructo: so?
[08:51] <Cygnusx> oh no? multiple ppl got it running
[08:51] <adapt> on linux?
[08:51] <Cygnusx> yes
[08:51] <Cygnusx> with Cedega
[08:51] <Cygnusx> its latest version is made to work with HL2
[08:51] <spunout> so I just trashed my partition table of my backup drive with QTparted(never did like that program) and i tried to use gpart to recover it.  NO Dice. I know, I can download all that Grateful dead and whatever else i had on there again, but it would be nice to restore it... any ideas?
[08:52] <adapt> i have a 256mb geforce fx 5700 and its only running at 20~ fps
[08:52] <mojo_> tsjoklat:  I also use ATI...  just so you know, OpenGL is .-=WAY=-. faster using fglrx
[08:53] <Cygnusx> yes, but i have a AMD athlon 2600+ with 1 gig ddr, so that may be the cause that it goes so well
[08:53] <funkyhat> how do i switch resolution?
[08:53] <funkyhat> alt + +?
[08:53] <adapt> Cygnusx, i have p4-2.4 and 1g ram too.
[08:53] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ really? I am pretty happy with how it works as of now
[08:54] <Cygnusx> hmmm
[08:54] <topyli> could acpi interfere with irda? i know it can do that on windows
[08:54] <Cygnusx> well i can at least try...
[08:54] <Destructo> no0tic so that command is useless
[08:54] <no0tic> Destructo: why?
[08:54] <Tsjoklat> spunout dar it
[08:54] <Destructo> no0tic well if i dont have internet, what will that command achive
[08:55] <Destructo> im new to ubuntu .. so please undertsnad
[08:55] <Destructo> understand
[08:55] <felixdz> NickServ IDENTIFY 1sayeret
[08:55] <funkyhat> oops felixdz
[08:55] <Po0ky> gna gna
[08:55] <felixdz> Doh
[08:55] <funkyhat> you need to /msg nickserv :P
[08:56] <mojo_> tsjoklat - Well, if you're happy then no need to change.  Most stuff (user interface) won't matter.  So if you don't use 3d or fast graphics, the only difference I guess would be the speed of the screensavers.  But if you DO use 3D you will probably notice a big change.  I am using a Radeon 9800 Pro
[08:56] <felixdz> death to typos
[08:56] <funkyhat> anyone tell me the keyboard commands to switch resolution?
[08:56] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ so do I :P but gaming is a no go on linux ... still
[08:56] <Destructo> no0tic but since im online here is there a ndiswrapper ubuntu package i can dload ..?
[08:58] <larsrohdin> crimsun, you there?
[08:58] <mojo_> tsjoklat:  Yes, true.  Who do we have to kidnap?  You have the newspapers for the ransom notes?  I have duct tape!
[08:58] <topyli> funkyhat: ctrl-alt-plus (or minus)
[08:58] <felixdz> Still stuck with a permission problem mounting my windows partiton in ubuntu
[08:58] <funkyhat> ok, thanks :)
[08:58] <no0tic> Destructo: ndiswrapper
[08:58] <Destructo> no0tic right but se there a special ubuntu pacag
[08:59] <Destructo> package
[08:59] <crimsun> larsrohdin: yes, back now.
[08:59] <no0tic> Destructo: if u do: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper it will be installed
[08:59] <crimsun> larsrohdin: (sorry, had to meet with students)
[08:59] <|blk|> _
[08:59] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ lol I just wish I didn't have to use xp anymore
[09:00] <Tsjoklat> felixdz vfat or ntfs
[09:00] <topyli> how is gnome on hoary these days?
[09:00] <crimsun> riffic: so /proc/asound/cards lists nothing, but snd_cs46xx is loaded?
[09:00] <Destructo> no0tic ok. im on slackware atm .. the other system that has ubuntu has no internet
[09:00] <crimsun> topyli: works well here. The nautilus/panel problem seems to have been fixed via an upstream patch to gnomevfs.
[09:00] <larsrohdin> crimsun, no problem
[09:00] <mojo_> Tsjoklat Well, when you can, where you can, please do show your support for the companies that port to Linux (like ID!!!)
[09:01] <Destructo> is there a link that has all ubuntu apps ..
[09:01] <crimsun> riffic: please paste onto http://pastebin.com the output of `lsmod'
[09:01] <topyli> crimsun: and the evolution problems from a while back? crashes, imap trouble?
[09:01] <no0tic> Destructo: ok, now I understand
[09:01] <riffic> crimsun: wildo
[09:01] <crimsun> larsrohdin: this is with Hoary?
[09:01] <farruinn> Destructo: take a look at synaptic package manager
[09:01] <crimsun> topyli: sorry, I don't know regarding evolution (I use mutt).
[09:02] <larsrohdin> whats hoary?
[09:02] <no0tic> Destructo: download it from the project site and compile it, it's not difficult
[09:02] <felixdz> some gay shit.
[09:02] <crimsun> larsrohdin: the codename for the next stable release of Ubuntu.
[09:02] <topyli> crimsun: ok, i guess i'll have to see for myself :)
[09:02] <Tsjoklat> felixdz_ vfat or ntfs?
[09:02] <mojo_> larsrohdin: lol!  hoary is the next release of Ubuntu
[09:02] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ will do! :)
[09:02] <riffic> http://www.pastebin.com/230487
[09:02] <felixdz> Tsjoklat, xfs
[09:02] <felixdz> oh
[09:02] <larsrohdin> no, i have warty
[09:02] <felixdz> ntfs
[09:02] <crimsun> occy: how are my packages working out?
[09:03] <Tsjoklat> do you want it to be read only felixdz_?
[09:03] <mojo_> tsjoklat:  Doom3, Quake, Unreal Tournament 2003 (or was it 2004?), Wolfenstein...  There are a few
[09:03] <larsrohdin> mojo_, no one asked you... you were a n00b to once, dude
[09:03] <felixdz> Tsjoklat, nevermind. i figured it out
[09:03] <Tsjoklat> /dev/hda1       /windows/C      ntfs    ro,users,gid=users,umask=0002,iocharset= iso8859-1 0       0
[09:03] <crimsun> riffic: the problem is that you have the OSS/Free module loaded alongside the ALSA one
[09:03] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ not any of the games I want to play :P
[09:04] <riffic> oh. why is that?
[09:04] <riffic> and how can I unload them?
[09:04] <crimsun> riffic: please `sudo modprobe -r cs461x snd_cs46xx && sudo modprobe snd-cs46xx'
[09:04] <topyli> Tsjoklat: nethack works too!
[09:04] <mojo_> larsrohdin: you take me wrong.  If I meant to be mean I'd have told you to go google and not bothered with the answer.  No harm in a friendly chuckle, lighten up, k?  we're all friends here
[09:04] <carthik> WooHoo! I got the musicbrainz tagger working under crossover office !!
[09:04] <Destructo> farruinn where is the synaptic package manager ..?
[09:04] <riffic> okay. did that
[09:04] <larsrohdin> =) ok, sorry!
[09:05] <riffic> and /etc/init.d/alsa start works
[09:05] <riffic> yay
[09:05] <riffic> now how can I fix this so it won't happen on the next reboot?
[09:05] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ a noob? when? :P
[09:05] <larsrohdin> it just happens to often that when you, as a noob asks a question, you get laughed at by others...
[09:05] <mojo_> larsrohdin:  no problem.  glad to see you on the light side of 'the force' (Open Source)
[09:05] <Tsjoklat> larsrohdin not in here
[09:06] <riffic> crimsun: thanks for you help btw
[09:06] <larsrohdin> but of course, open source is the only way
[09:06] <riffic> I was dying without my music
[09:06] <larsrohdin> crimsun, whats happening?
[09:06] <Po0ky> is there an easy way to adjust themes on a ubuntu disc without too much trouble
[09:06] <crimsun> riffic: blacklist cs461x by doing: echo cs461x | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[09:06] <farruinn> Destructo: iirc Computer>System Configuration>Synaptic
[09:06] <larsrohdin> Tsjoklat, no, not in here... you guysa are nice;)
[09:06] <crimsun> larsrohdin: are you using warty/
[09:07] <farruinn> Destructo: however I'm not at my ubuntu machine atm so that may be wrong
[09:07] <riffic> cool..
[09:07] <larsrohdin> crimsun, yes sir
[09:07] <Tsjoklat> larrsrohdin and girls
[09:07] <Tsjoklat> larsrohdin even
[09:07] <crimsun> larsrohdin: in your GDM login screen, is there a Session entry?
[09:07] <mojo_> larsrohdin: My advice is remove heart from sleeve.  When someone IS being obviously abusive to you, don't fall into the trap of screaming back.  But politely calling them out for being rude is appropriate, and may put 'social pressure' on them to stop being an ass if you remain civil.
[09:08] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ your new medication is really working well isn't it :)
[09:08] <mojo_> Open Soruce IS the way... the Tao and the Te
[09:09] <mojo_> tsjoklat - self medication ;-)
[09:09] <larsrohdin> crimsun, yeah there's a menu named session
[09:09] <larsrohdin> mojo_, im just not used to nice nerds=)
[09:09] <crimsun> larsrohdin: what entries are in it, just gnome (and last and failsafe...)?
[09:09] <mojo_> Yes, 'social pressure' is not too effective in the vaccuum of cyberspace I must admit
[09:09] <larsrohdin> exactly
[09:09] <linuxboy> How do I get Ubuntu to do NTP from a different server?
[09:10] <Destructo> farruinn ok. im in my default user how do i make it super user.. since my default is root, and the pw is incorrect
[09:10] <topyli> hmm. this dongle is going to end up attached to a windows box soon
[09:10] <crimsun> linuxboy: edit /etc/default/ntpdate
[09:10] <larsrohdin> crimsun, exactly
[09:11] <LostMonk> wow
[09:11] <occy> crimsun: they are working ok it seems... 2.0.0 though... heh, it seems to be lacking something.
[09:11] <LostMonk> only took 4 weeks for me to get muy cd's
[09:11] <occy> crimsun: I may just switch back to 1.4.x
[09:11] <crimsun> occy: anything visibly wrong with the program itself?
[09:11] <spunout> Any Ideas on Rebuilding a Trashed partition table when gpart fails?
[09:11] <crimsun> occy: (e.g., in my backport)
[09:11] <occy> well, I'm sure these are bugs that others will have too.
[09:11] <crimsun> occy: ...such as?
[09:12] <crimsun> larsrohdin: checking.
[09:12] <occy> crimsun: fonts are just icky.  (I'm understanding this is an "improvement"
[09:12] <occy> heh
[09:12] <occy> +)
[09:12] <occy> and fonts can get unreadable at time. (computer garbage)[tm] 
[09:12] <farruinn> Destructo: erm, if you mean what you enter when it asks for a password use your non-root user's password
[09:12] <Destructo> crimsun sorry for the repeat question . but i have destructo as the root user apperntly . i need to run as root . im not familair with sudo
[09:12] <farruinn> Destructo: if you are logged in as that non-root user
[09:13] <Destructo> farruinn well when i did the install i used destructo and added a pw
[09:13] <crimsun> Destructo: use sudo with your own password
[09:13] <farruinn> ok, that's not the root user.  root goes by no other name but root
[09:13] <crimsun> Destructo: otherwise please see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:14] <randabis-laptop> root will pwn you if you let him
[09:14] <yaaar> hey guys, is there a .deb for the sun java runtime? i'm trying out ubuntu for the first time...on my gentoo boxes, there's a package for that, which just has a fetch requirement (i.e. you still have to dl the .bin manually)....but it's real handy because it keeps up with the versioning
[09:14] <mrd> I noticed ubuntu-artwork isn't in Hoary's Packages.gz... is the Human theme now stored in another .deb?
[09:14] <occy> crimsun: thanks for making it for me.  That was very nice of you.
[09:14] <mrd> yaaar: It's described on the wiki.
[09:14] <crimsun> occy: no sweat. I have a farm of P4s here, didn't take but a few minutes.
[09:14] <mrd> There are external apt archives with .deb's, or you can roll your own rather easily.
[09:14] <occy> crimsun: hehe
[09:15] <randabis-laptop> crimsun is that to save on the heating bill? ;p
[09:15] <crimsun> yaaar: from blackdown, yes.
[09:15] <crimsun> randabis-laptop: you bet.
[09:15] <randabis-laptop> :p
[09:16] <spiral> yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssss !!!! I've got 3d with my ati !!! :-) thanks everybody
[09:16] <crimsun> randabis-laptop: we're working on replacing them with amds for even more savings.
[09:16] <randabis-laptop> amds run cooler though :p
[09:16] <yaaar> crimsun: no, i meant the sun implementation. i know it will make me dl it from sun manually, but was hoping i could still have it done by apt-get so that the cache would tell me when a new version was available, and so it would be seen as a dep and whatnot
[09:17] <mrd> yaaar: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[09:17] <yaaar> mrd: yeah i'm there now...
[09:17] <mrd> Just do method 0.
[09:17] <mrd> That's Sun's java.
[09:17] <spiral> hmmm... any new of smart batteries drivers ?
[09:17] <spiral> because if I get this working, everything of my laptop will work on hoary :-)
[09:18] <yaaar> mrd: i can't help but notice that those instructions just have you download the bin and run it....
[09:18] <mrd> yaaar: Where are you reading?  Method 0 says to add two lines to your apt archives listing, then install sun-j2sdk1.5
[09:18] <Destructo> crimsun thanks for the url. done 123
[09:19] <yaaar> mrd: ah, hang on....
[09:20] <crimsun> larsrohdin: openbox doesn't appear to put an entry into the sessions
[09:20] <crimsun> larsrohdin: (under Warty)
[09:21] <funkyhat> how do i boot ubuntu to command line and edit x server settings?
[09:21] <caleb_> is hoary not running GNOME 2.9?
[09:21] <funkyhat> :( my display is old and doesn't want to show me anything
[09:21] <larsrohdin> crimsun, ok... so what to do?
[09:21] <yaaar> mrd: ok, i think i see now. thanks
[09:22] <crimsun> caleb_: yes, it is. Why?
[09:22] <melazyboy> question, how vital is python to Ubuntu -- i'm a fan of perl and i would like to remove *everything* python, i run apt-get update alot and im on a hoary system and im sick of downloading massive python libs, is complete python removal safe or does ubuntu rely on it?
[09:22] <crimsun> caleb_: 2.9.[34] 
[09:22] <douglas> hey people, good night :)
[09:22] <Destructo> hmmm ubuntu doesnt have gcc ?
[09:22] <crimsun> Destructo: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[09:22] <douglas> im needing help with a thing
[09:22] <mrd> Destructo: what are you smoking?
[09:22] <melazyboy> Destructo: apt-get install build-essentials
[09:22] <ogra> melazyboy: i think thats a bad idea ;)
[09:22] <caleb_> crimsun: i just installed it and nautilus (for example) says 2.8.1
[09:22] <crimsun> melazyboy: quite a big dependency for Warty and Hoary both.
[09:22] <Destructo> crimsun im not connected. is there a url i can dload it then burn and install >
[09:23] <mrd> Oh, you mean by default.
[09:23] <douglas> well i have a machine on my work with a fast internet link and other im my home without internet
[09:23] <mrd> (Sorry, I thought you meant available.)
[09:23] <crimsun> Destructo: from archive.ubuntu.com
[09:23] <douglas> the two machines has the same hardware
[09:23] <douglas> my work machine is hoary
[09:23] <crimsun> caleb_: you're not running nautilus from hoary, then. Mine says 2.9.2.
[09:24] <douglas> is there a way to make my home machine hoary too ?
[09:24] <douglas> without internet ?
[09:24] <funkyhat> how do i boot ubuntu without loading x?
[09:24] <melazyboy> crimsun: I broke the desktop meta package along time ago, im not worried about that, just wondering if anything im using currently relies on it I mean i must have 50 python releated packages alone and i never use them
[09:24] <crimsun> douglas: look on the wiki for hoary snapshot.
[09:24] <Destructo> crimsun where is gcc under ..?
[09:24] <caleb_> crimsun: i installed warty from a 10-20-2004 cd, then edited my apt sources to be hoary.  apt-get update; apt-get upgrade.  is that not the correct way?
[09:25] <crimsun> Destructo: "g"
[09:25] <Destructo> funkyhat edit your innitab
[09:25] <melazyboy> Destructo: 'build-essentials' has gcc and make
[09:25] <duckwaltz> I'm having a problem: I just installed warty and booted for the first time and I am told that it could not start gdm for the following reason: "Cannot stat /etc/X11/X no such file or directory"
[09:25] <crimsun> caleb_: no, dist-upgrade
[09:25] <mrd> caleb_: dist-upgrade is generally better when upgrading distributions like that.
[09:25] <caleb_> asdlkfjasdlfjaslkfd
[09:25] <caleb_> thanks :)
[09:25] <Destructo> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ im here what dir
[09:25] <funkyhat> Destructo: i can't, i need to boot without loading x, and i need to do it before i can use x
[09:26] <crimsun> Destructo: pool/main/g/
[09:26] <melazyboy> Destructo: just open a console, and apt-get upgrade build-essentials
[09:26] <Cygnusx|Weg> how can i copy a folder to another place
[09:26] <Tuxicity> good afternoon all
[09:26] <Destructo> melazyboy no internet on that box
[09:26] <melazyboy> Destructo: err install
[09:26] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: using nautilus or command line?
[09:26] <Cygnusx|Weg> command line crimsun
[09:26] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: cp -a origin destination
[09:26] <larsrohdin> crimsun, is there anything to do, or will i have to start witout gdm?
[09:27] <IRCusr> what advantages does ubuntu have over debian?
[09:27] <melazyboy> Destructo: Looking for it now
[09:27] <mojo_> QUERY: Anyone on who may be able to help with Audio config in Hoary (Re-order soundcards)
[09:27] <Tuxicity> Which "Device" and "Protocol" should I use in XF86Config-4 for a Logitech USB optical mouse?
[09:27] <crimsun> larsrohdin: you can certainly use ~/.xsession: exec /usr/bin/openbox
[09:27] <mrd> IRCusr: It releases more often.
[09:27] <BockBilbo> hello
[09:27] <crimsun> Tuxicity: /dev/input/mice with protocol auto
[09:27] <larsrohdin> whats that?
[09:27] <crypticreign> pavkonti: was it you that I was talking to about rhythmbox yesteray?
[09:27] <BockBilbo> is it possible to open rar files in ubuntu?
[09:27] <crimsun> BockBilbo: yes, enable the 'universe' repo and install unrar
[09:27] <farruinn> IRCusr: I like the frozen releases
[09:28] <IRCusr> mrd: but i could use an unstable apt repository?
[09:28] <IRCusr> mrd: with debian that is
[09:28] <douglas> did not found it there
[09:28] <Tuxicity> crimsun, thnks, quick answer :)
[09:28] <crimsun> IRCusr: highly UNrecommended. You'll run into dependency juggling that will cause headaches unless you're intimately familiar with apt and dpkg.
[09:28] <BockBilbo> thanks crimsun
[09:28] <crimsun> BockBilbo: np
[09:29] <douglas> when i move my downloaded archives in work to home and try to do a apt-get upgrade it dont work
[09:29] <douglas> ah a good question
[09:29] <crimsun> douglas: that's because you have to register the new packages on your system so apt knows there are updated ones.
[09:29] <larsrohdin> crimsun, whats that? nothing happens
[09:29] <Destructo> whats the diff between gcc3.3   3.4 and default
[09:29] <BockBilbo> bye!!!
[09:29] <crimsun> larsrohdin: you need to create an ~/.xsession with the contents: exec /usr/bin/openbox
[09:30] <douglas> where ubuntu/debian leaves the list of updated files when you do a  apt-get update ?
[09:30] <larsrohdin> ok, take it slowly=)
[09:30] <douglas> how to do it crimsun ?
[09:30] <crimsun> douglas: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[09:30] <douglas> i come from slackware, so im a small debian,ubuntu newbie
[09:30] <crimsun> douglas: read about apt-proxy, dpkg-scanpackages, etc.
[09:30] <douglas> in slackware it was only upgradepkg *.tgz
[09:30] <douglas> :)
[09:31] <larsrohdin> crimsun, it don't understand...
[09:31] <crimsun> larsrohdin: what doesn't understand?
[09:31] <Cygnusx|Weg> another question, where can i find .xinitrc or some...
[09:31] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: there is none by default. You will have to create one if you want one.
[09:31] <larsrohdin> create what, and how?
[09:31] <spiral> Cygnusx|Weg: ~
[09:31] <crimsun> larsrohdin: echo "exec /usr/bin/openbox" >> ~/.xsession
[09:32] <arzajac> I have a pppoe problem.  I used to be able to connect, now I cannot.  My other box works.
[09:32] <melazyboy> Destructo: deve/build-essential
[09:32] <duckwaltz> Question: how do I configure gdm to work properly when I boot?
[09:32] <melazyboy> Destructo: devel/build-essential
[09:32] <spiral> any new about smart battery driver ?
[09:32] <Cygnusx|Weg> erm... crimsun , where must i make that file? in witch folder? and how or some, becouse i want to install XPDE, but it sais to edit the .xinitrc file of the user you want to run XPde and put this line: /usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde
[09:33] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: < spiral> Cygnusx|Weg: ~
[09:33] <Cygnusx|Weg> crimsun ?
[09:34] <larsrohdin> OMG dude, you lost me...=)
[09:34] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: he told you to create it in your home directory.
[09:34] <crimsun> larsrohdin: run the echo command I gave you in a terminal
[09:34] <Cygnusx|Weg> so, 2 questions right now, how can i make /usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde run automaticly, and how can i stop gnome ?
[09:35] <topyli> ok, so the dongle works. it's just linux-irda that sucks. or perhaps it's just me :(
[09:35] <larsrohdin> just like you wrote?
[09:35] <crimsun> larsrohdin: precisely
[09:35] <larsrohdin> ok, done...=) then what?
[09:36] <larsrohdin> its not an operating system, its an adventure!
[09:36] <Cygnusx|Weg> crimsun: can you help me? :)
[09:36] <crimsun> larsrohdin: choose Default System Session
[09:36] <larsrohdin> ok
[09:36] <larsrohdin> BRB
[09:37] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: echo "/usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde" >> ~/.xsession
[09:37] <yaaar> hmmm...this is weird. I'm at java.sun.com trying to download the jdk....but when i click the link that says "download jdk" a small window pops up containing only a ^ and nothing else happens. anybody know the scoop on that?
[09:37] <crimsun> yaaar: works fine here.
[09:37] <crimsun> yaaar: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[09:38] <larsrohdin> hey! w00t it worked!
[09:38] <yaaar> crimsun: yep, that's the url i'm at....but that "Download JDK" link under JDK 5.0 update does just exactly what I describe above.
[09:39] <larsrohdin> but OMG how do i change the resolution, i cant see anything=)
[09:39] <crimsun> yaaar: what web browser are you using?
[09:39] <yaaar> crimsun: firefox
[09:39] <Cygnusx|Weg> do i have to type echo " also?
[09:39] <duckwaltz> "I cannot start the X server ... It is likely that it is not setup correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?"
[09:39] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: no, it's not essential.
[09:40] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay
[09:40] <crimsun> yaaar: works fine here, so it must be a local issue on your end.
[09:40] <Cygnusx|Weg> done
[09:40] <duckwaltz> the problem is reported as: "X: Cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting."
[09:40] <Cygnusx|Weg> and how can i prevent gnome to work?
[09:40] <Cygnusx|Weg> as standard?
[09:40] <yaaar> crimsun: uh....yeah. of course, this is a brand-new ubuntu installation from factory discs....
[09:40] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: just choose Default System Session from the session menu in GDM
[09:40] <crimsun> yaaar: use Epiphany then
[09:40] <Cygnusx|Weg> gdm? (yes, i am a newbie :W )
[09:41] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: that's the login manager you see with the Ubuntu logo
[09:41] <Cygnusx|Weg> oh
[09:41] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay
[09:41] <yaaar> crimsun: actually, i'm just going to dl the file on this gentoo laptop i'm talking to you on and scp it over. i was just wondering why it's all jacked.
[09:41] <crimsun> yaaar: or w3m or links
[09:41] <larsrohdin> how to change the resolution of the screen?
[09:41] <Cygnusx|Weg> yes, but what do you mean exactly?
[09:41] <crimsun> yaaar: I have no idea why it's jacked on your system.
[09:41] <crimsun> larsrohdin: use xrandr.
[09:42] <Cygnusx|Weg> i dont understand what you said crimsun
[09:42] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: at the login screen, click Sessions, then choose Default System Session.
[09:44] <Cygnusx|Weg> and what does it do then crimsun ?
[09:44] <larsrohdin> this was nice! Thanks alot dude!!!
[09:44] <crimsun> larsrohdin: np
[09:45] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: it starts xpde
[09:45] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: isn't that what you want it to do?
[09:45] <Cygnusx|Weg> yes crimsun
[09:46] <Cygnusx|Weg> i will give it a try in about 5 min, thanks :)
[09:46] <drunken-wallaby> hi everyone...
[09:46] <Po0ky> is there a howto published anywhere how to adjust the bootsplash?
[09:47] <larsrohdin> crimsun, but i can still go back to gnome under session? right?
[09:47] <Destructo> ok so im trying to dlaod some stuff for the ubuntu thats not connnected .. but the everything says zero bytes
[09:47] <crimsun> larsrohdin: by selecting GNOME under Sessions, yes
[09:47] <tux_> has any gotten their webcam working under ubuntu (pref. logitech)
[09:47] <larsrohdin> ok!
[09:48] <arzajac> Would some one help me with a pppoe problem?  I was able to connect a few times.  I started getting pado packet errors on connection.  Now I cannot connect at all from that box.  Any ideas?
[09:48] <HrdwrBoB> tux_: yes and no
[09:49] <tux_> HrdwrBoB, do tell
[09:49] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay, re-logging in right now :)
[09:49] <HrdwrBoB> tux_: I havea  webcam, it's not a logitech and it works
[09:49] <duckwaltz> how do I reinstall X?
[09:49] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay crimsun i can choose, 1 standard 2 gnome 3 gnome safe mode 4 xterm safe mode
[09:49] <Cygnusx|Weg> iand i can choose last
[09:50] <tux_> what u get, webcam webcamd ?
[09:50] <tux_> can i pm you ?
[09:51] <Cygnusx|Weg> crimsun?
[09:51] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: ?
[09:51] <Destructo> when compiling from src . does ubuntu have something siilar to checkinstall so it creates a package for possible del
[09:51] <Cygnusx|Weg> i said :) okay crimsun i can choose, 1 standard 2 gnome 3 gnome safe mode 4 xterm safe mode .... crimsun :)
[09:51] <crimsun> Destructo: Ubuntu uses proper debs.
[09:51] <crimsun> Destructo: checkinstall is a hack.
[09:51] <Destructo> crimsun well. im dloading gcc because i cant seem to dload the.deb stuff. and i want to compile it
[09:52] <crimsun> Destructo: why can't you download the debs?
[09:52] <AndyR> lo ppl
[09:52] <Cygnusx|Weg> well ? crimson? :)
[09:52] <Cygnusx|Weg> lo AndyR
[09:52] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: please be patient.
[09:52] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay, sorry :)
[09:52] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: choose 1)
[09:52] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay
[09:52] <drunken-wallaby> anyone who uses f-spot here and managed to compile it?
[09:52] <Destructo> crimsun on gftp all the data is at zero
[09:53] <crimsun> Destructo: use mozilla-firefox and right-click->save as.
[09:53] <Cygnusx|Weg> TerminX: crimsun , i am in ubuntu, only, WITH gnome
[09:53] <yaaar> hey guys, in my boot messages, just under "starting ubuntu" i get a line that says "VFS: unable to find ext3 filesystem on /dev/hda3" ....but /dev/hda3 is a reiserfs volume. It doesn't seem to cause trouble (i.e. the system still boots) ...does this indicate anything I care about, or need to fix?
[09:53] <Cygnusx|Weg> woops, i didnt mean to highlight TerminX :P
[09:53] <crimsun> yaaar: it's a minor cosmetic annoyance, perhaps.
[09:53] <spdf> yaaar, Check in /etc/fstab, and check the type..
[09:54] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: is this under Warty?
[09:54] <Destructo> crimsun hey what else should i look for since im dlaoding gcc ..?
[09:54] <Cygnusx|Weg> yeah
[09:54] <Cygnusx|Weg> it is
[09:54] <lizdeika> omg ati released drivers for xorg. am i dreaming ? :)
[09:55] <spdf> lizdeika, Nope, You're not..
[09:55] <spdf> lifeless, I'm using them right now..
[09:55] <lizdeika> no good ?
[09:55] <spdf> lizdeika, They're great..
[09:56] <crimsun> Destructo: I have no idea what you might want.
[09:56] <Cygnusx|Weg> so, yes it is under Warty, crimsun
[09:56] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: sec, I'm not in front of a warty machine.
[09:56] <melazyboy> lizdeika: Thanks for information! that should be channel topic.
[09:56] <melazyboy> lizdeika: Up until last friday i had refreshed that pages three times a day in hopes of getting them
[09:56] <Destructo> crimsun well im trying to install vmware . but apperently that ubuntu box doesnt have gcc
[09:57] <crimsun> melazyboy: I suspect it's in the topic of #ati
[09:57] <lizdeika> and ubuntu allready has them O_O . now thats respect
[09:57] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay crimsun
[09:58] <crimsun> lizdeika: of course. Did you expect anything less?
[09:58] <melazyboy> crimsun: I would suspect that as well, but being as its so eventfull, it should be on slashdot, and the gov should fly planes with 500ft banners around, and i should see it on CNN
[09:58] <Destructo> crimsun ok i dlaoded a .deb . whatsd the command to install .. ?
[09:58] <melazyboy> crimsun: It's a sign of the rapture.
[09:58] <spunout> anyone compile cdrdao in AMD64?
[09:58] <tolle> I cant get the courier-mta to accept mail from other hosts then localhost...
[09:59] <melazyboy> it's comming.
[09:59] <lizdeika> crimsun: dunno what to say :)
[09:59] <crimsun> Destructo: sudo dpkg -i
[09:59] <Destructo> k
[10:00] <usrdel> Any way I can specify the default terminal window size when launching the application?
[10:00] <melazyboy> noooooo
[10:00] <melazyboy> errors encountered while processing fglrx-drvier
[10:00] <melazyboy> wtf now
[10:00] <crimsun> I believe daniels mentioned not installing it.
[10:00] <spdf> melazyboy, What are the errors, and what were you doing when it gave that error?
[10:00] <spdf> melazyboy, Are you compiling right now?
[10:01] <Cygnusx|Weg> already in front of warty, crimsun? :)
[10:01] <usrdel> Your kidding me.
[10:01] <melazyboy> spdf: not compiling it just apted it when i got the news
[10:01] <spdf> Ahh..I just built it myself from the rpm..
[10:01] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: it's running security updates.
[10:01] <melazyboy> im not on the box im using the drivers on, this is my dedicated irc box
[10:02] <spdf> You have a computer dedicated to irc?
[10:02] <Cygnusx|Weg> ah
[10:02] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay
[10:02] <melazyboy> something about unpacking the .deb subprocesses pre-installation scriopt returned error exit status 2
[10:02] <Cygnusx|Weg> crimsun: do you know with what command i can shutdown gnome?
[10:02] <melazyboy> errors were encoutered while processing ____.deb sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:03] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: log out of gdm
[10:03] <Cygnusx|Weg> yes,
[10:03] <Cygnusx|Weg> and then crimsun
[10:03] <Cygnusx|Weg> i mean
[10:03] <Cygnusx|Weg> how
[10:03] <crimsun> ...and you're out of gnome.
[10:03] <melazyboy> Cygnusx|Weg: ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:03] <Destructo> hmmm where is gccput after install ?
[10:03] <eruin> why oh why does cedega have to go retarded
[10:04] <Cygnusx|Weg> melazyboy: now i am logged out :{
[10:04] <usrdel> /usr/bin/gcc
[10:05] <melazyboy> Ah i found the problem
[10:05] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: you wanted to "shutdown" gnome, no?
[10:05] <melazyboy> I was running a macro before to apt-get fglrx-driver, and now its xorg-fglrx-driver
[10:05] <Cygnusx|Weg> yes
[10:05] <Cygnusx|Weg> and then start XPDE
[10:05] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: just hold on, please.
[10:05] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay
[10:06] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: what did you modify?
[10:07] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: my warty gdm session has no "standard"
[10:07] <Cygnusx|Weg> its a right out the box installation
[10:07] <Cygnusx|Weg> (im dutch, so maybe the translation isn't thesame)
[10:07] <duckwaltz> when attempting to start gdm, I get an error stating: "X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting" How do I rectify this and get x to work?
[10:07] <Destructo> crap. it cant find gcc
[10:08] <Cygnusx|Weg> i copyed the xpde folder to a folder.. nothing more :)
[10:08] <crimsun> duckwaltz: did you upgrade from warty to hoary or something?
[10:08] <duckwaltz> crimsun: No I just installed
[10:08] <Cygnusx|Weg> i can choose: (translated from dutch to english) Last , 1. Standard systemsession
[10:08] <Cygnusx|Weg> 2. GNOME
[10:09] <Cygnusx|Weg> GNOME safe mode
[10:09] <crimsun> Destructo: did you install gcc-3.3-base? gcc-3.3? gcc?
[10:09] <Cygnusx|Weg> Xterm safe mode
[10:09] <Cygnusx|Weg> so that's 5 options
[10:09] <duckwaltz> crimsun: I did however allow the installer to download files during the first boot
[10:09] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: what did you copy and to where?
[10:09] <Cygnusx|Weg> erm , xpde to .... i think a folder in /etc/
[10:10] <crimsun> duckwaltz: ls -l /etc/X11/X
[10:10] <duckwaltz> crimsun: No such file or directory
[10:10] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: what xpde? source code? binaries?
[10:10] <Cygnusx|Weg> let me check it..
[10:10] <Cygnusx|Weg> erm a tgz file
[10:10] <jaco> my hoary desktop: http://www.jaco.it/screenshot.png
[10:10] <jaco> ghghghhghghghgh
[10:10] <jaco> i love it
[10:10] <Cygnusx|Weg> i think its the binary?
[10:10] <Destructo> crimsun gcc 3.4 base
[10:11] <crimsun> duckwaltz: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[10:11] <duckwaltz> crimsun: thank you
[10:11] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: tell me precisely what you did.
[10:11] <scotth> jaco, what themes and such are you using?
[10:11] <duckwaltz> crimsun: I shall let you know what happens
[10:12] <Cygnusx|Weg> im checking it out right now crimsun
[10:12] <spdf> jaco, Are those gdesklets or Karamba?
[10:13] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay, i copyed the folder XPDE from the tgz package to /usr/share
[10:13] <scotth> spdf, I'm guessing they are gdesklets from the gdesklet applet running in the notification area
[10:13] <Cygnusx|Weg> as the install manual file INSTALL said...
[10:13] <m0l0z> I've booted the Ubuntu 4.10 live CD and my mouse dose not work! I booted in expert mode and put it PS2 and PS2 Wheel mouse and it didn't work in either one! I have a Compaq M-S69, made by Logitech
[10:14] <spdf> scotth, missed that :p
[10:15] <scotth> spdf, its all good, I'm trying to find out what theme he is using and how I can get ahold of it for a friend who wants an OSX like desktop
[10:15] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: what file did you download?
[10:16] <jaco> spdf: marcintesh + desklets
[10:16] <Cygnusx|Weg> crimsun: http://www.xpde.com/releases/xpde-0.5.1.tar.gz
[10:16] <Cygnusx|Weg> that one
[10:16] <jaco> scotth: i've sayd
[10:17] <jaco> spdf: marcintesh + desklets
[10:17] <scotth> jaco, thanks
[10:17] <Cygnusx|Weg> and xpde works, only it doesnt like that gnome is also on, so instead of gnome as desktop env. i want XPDE
[10:17] <spdf> scotth, http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/categories.php?func=gd_show_app&gd_app_id=210
[10:18] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: um...you installed it into /usr/share, correct?
[10:18] <spdf> scotth, Pretty sure that has the same osx effect...
[10:18] <benkong2> jaco; kool pic
[10:19] <spiral> hmmmm... Please... can anyone here tell me how long it should take to have the "smart batteries manager" on hoary ?
[10:19] <jaco> benkong2: :)
[10:19] <Cygnusx|Weg> yes crimsun
[10:20] <benkong2> jaco; what is macinerish?
[10:20] <usrdel> Anyone know how I can set the default size of the window when launching the terminal application? Thanks.
[10:21] <m0l0z> I've booted the Ubuntu 4.10 live CD and my mouse dose not work! I booted in expert mode and put it PS2 and PS2 Wheel mouse and it didn't work in either one! I have a Compaq M-S69, made by Logitech
[10:21] <jaco> a theme, i've found it on gnome-look
[10:21] <jaco> benkong2:  a theme, i've found it on gnome-look
[10:21] <larsrohdin> i, know i downloaded open box themes to... how can i change theme?
[10:21] <benkong2> jaco; k thanks
[10:22] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: list the contents of ~/.xsession
[10:22] <jaco> larsrohdin: tar -zxvf
[10:22] <jaco> cp nametheme /home/yournick/.themes
[10:22] <larsrohdin> that didnt work
[10:22] <jaco> preferences/theme
[10:22] <Cygnusx|Weg> how should i do that crimsun
[10:23] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: cat ~/.xsession
[10:23] <larsrohdin> needs an argument it says
[10:23] <crimsun> larsrohdin: tar xfz nameof.tar.gz
[10:23] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay, contents are: /usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde
[10:24] <Cygnusx|Weg> you told me to insert that in that file half an hour ago :)
[10:24] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: echo "exec /usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde" > ~/.xsession
[10:24] <larsrohdin> how should i write?
[10:25] <jaco> larsrohdin: an argument? but exactly what r u doing?
[10:25] <jaco> who says to need an argument?
[10:25] <crimsun> jaco: tell him explicitly the syntax. tar takes an argument.
[10:25] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay
[10:25] <Cygnusx|Weg> done
[10:25] <larsrohdin> if i run  tar -zxvf its says "needs an argument"
[10:26] <Cygnusx|Weg> but now, i think when x starts, it starts gnome as well , right?
[10:26] <larsrohdin> crimsun, thanx=)
[10:26] <jaco> larsrohdin: tar zxvf name.theme.tgz
[10:26] <tolle> Are there any guide anywhere on how to get postfix to accept incomming mails from all hosts?
[10:26] <jaco> larsrohdin: miss the name.theme.tgz
[10:27] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: you have to choose default system session
[10:27] <jaco> larsrohdin: the sintax is tar zxvf name.theme.tgz
[10:27] <Destructo> hey anyone use ndiswrapper
[10:27] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay
[10:27] <Cygnusx|Weg> i will try
[10:28] <larsrohdin> ok, but where did those themes go?
[10:28] <Cygnusx|Weg> crimsun: and yet again, no XPDE and yes gnome
[10:29] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: something on your system is broken.
[10:29] <Cygnusx|Weg> i don't think so ;), its a brand new installation
[10:29] <MyKq3> hello ppl its a lovely night here in Israel !!! how r ya ?
[10:30] <jaco> larsrohdin: now u have a directory with the theme
[10:30] <benkong2> MyKq3; super
[10:30] <jaco> larsrohdin: now cp name.directory /home/yourhome/.themes
[10:30] <MyKq3> ^^
[10:31] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: I think so, because it works just fine for larsrohdin.
[10:32] <Cygnusx|Weg> does larsrohdin use XPDE ??
[10:33] <larsrohdin> whats that?
[10:33] <Cygnusx|Weg> i think that is a no ;)
[10:33] <larsrohdin> jaco, i still dont get it... =)
[10:34] <jaco> larsrohdin: now from your desktop from menu/desktop/preferences/themes
[10:34] <jaco> select the new theme
[10:34] <larsrohdin> hey, slowly=) lets start over...
[10:34] <larsrohdin> what menu?
[10:35] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: larsrohdin uses openbox from the default system session menu
[10:35] <Cygnusx|Weg> openbox?
[10:35] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: therefore the problem lies in how your xpde script is being called
[10:35] <mojo_> Hi!  Can anyone help me figure out which config files to edit so I can re-order my sound cards in Ubuntu/Hoary???  The /etc/modules.conf file warns not to do edits there (and I am not sure if that's the place anyway)
[10:36] <Cygnusx|Weg> well, i can start it up by hand by typing /usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde in a console
[10:36] <larsrohdin> jaco, im sorry dude, can you take it from the beginning... what does tar zxvf name.theme.tgz do? should i write it in a certain folder?
[10:37] <Cygnusx|Weg> so that answers your question crimsun
[10:37] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: then you need to cp /usr/share/xpde/startxpde ~/.xsession
[10:37] <jaco> larsrohdin: in the path where u have tne name.theme.gz file
[10:37] <Destructo> hey can i paste my ndiswrapper error
[10:38] <larsrohdin> and where is that?
[10:38] <Destructo>  i have an error .. running modprobe ndiswrapper i get FATAL error inserting ndiswrapper ../lib/modules/2.6.8.1.-3-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko: invalid module
[10:38] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: rather, cp /usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde ~/.xsession
[10:38] <larsrohdin> =)
[10:38] <Destructo> where can i get the kjernel headers for ubuntu
[10:38] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay
[10:38] <Cygnusx|Weg> that's all?
[10:38] <crimsun> Destructo: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:38] <jaco> larsrohdin: where u have saved the file when u have downoaded it
[10:39] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: ideally.
[10:39] <tolle> How to get a working mta that accepts incomming mails from outside hosts?
[10:39] <carthik> How would I un-gzip a file larger than 2 GB?
[10:39] <carthik> It's a huge backup from a DB
[10:39] <crimsun> carthik: just gunzip it.
[10:39] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay, i re-login (i suppose i don't need to reboot? ) and i log in, and gnome starts, and no XPDE
[10:39] <larsrohdin> ok, but i downloaded it with the synaptic or whats it called? i don't know where the themes are...
[10:40] <carthik> crimsun, since it is larger than 2 Gigs, gunzip says it's not a gzip file. It seems as though gzip can only deal with files < 2 GB... not sure. Tried with ark too.
[10:41] <crimsun> carthik: gzip/gunzip are compiled with large file support.
[10:41] <cavediver> How can I install revelation in Ubuntu ?
[10:41] <carthik> crimsun, how do I check that, or is it always as you describe in Ubuntu? If it is, then why can't I seem to gunzip it??
[10:41] <cavediver> I'm running AMD64 Build.
[10:42] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: are you selecting Default System Session, then OK?
[10:42] <Cygnusx|Weg> yes, the second option
[10:42] <Cygnusx|Weg> right? (dutch installation, remember ;) )
[10:43] <carthik> crimsun, thanks for you help, in any case :)
[10:43] <yaaar> anybody know what i have to have installed for the 'vnc' option to not be ghosted out in tsclient? the 'remote desktop' app in kde can use vnc just fine...
[10:43] <yaaar> woops sorry wrong room
[10:44] <crimsun> carthik: apt-get source gzip; more gzip-1.3.5/debian/rules
[10:44] <larsrohdin> if i download themes with synaptic where do they go?
[10:44] <crimsun> carthik: note how there's no reference to "--disable-largefile"
[10:44] <Destructo> crimsun i get linux-headers command not found
[10:44] <Cygnusx|Weg> in ./xsession is now standing: if test -n $HOME/.xpde; then cp -r /usr/share/xpde/bin/defaultdesktop $HOME/.xpde  fi
[10:45] <Cygnusx|Weg> crimsun
[10:45] <crimsun> Destructo: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:46] <ssam> have people spotted this http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/17/2341219
[10:46] <randabis> hmm
[10:46] <randabis> thought someone said something to me...must have been a while back
[10:46] <ssam> Mark Shuttleworth On Ubuntu's Lack Of Marketing
[10:47] <larsrohdin> jaco, where did you go?
[10:47] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: in /usr/share/gdm/BuiltInSessions/default.desktop, change "Exec=default" to "Exec=custom"
[10:47] <lamont-away> tolle: /etc/postfix/master.cf
[10:47] <Skwid_> is there an xorg devel package plzzzzzzzzzzzz ???
[10:47] <Bader> does anybody know how-to enable the synaptics driver in warty to make it shown in /proc/bus/input/devices ?
[10:47] <crimsun> Skwid_: install the individual -dev components that you need.
[10:47] <crimsun> Bader: did you check the bios setting?
[10:48] <Bader> at the moment it only show a PS/2Mouse
[10:48] <Destructo> crimsun crap nothing
[10:48] <Bader> crimsun: they're no such settings in my BIOS
[10:48] <crimsun> Bader: no legacy mouse setting?
[10:48] <Bader> no
[10:48] <Skwid_> crimsun: how ??
[10:48] <Spiniker> Anyone able to advise on a fresh install error for Ubuntu ? ?
[10:48] <Bader> Spiniker: what's your error?
[10:48] <Cygnusx|Weg> crimson: its read onle :{
[10:48] <Cygnusx|Weg> only
[10:48] <crimsun> Bader: paste your lspci -v output onto pastebin.com
[10:49] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: so edit it using sudo
[10:49] <Cygnusx|Weg> i use gedit
[10:49] <Bader> crimsun: I can't actually, I write this from my desktop, not my laptop :(
[10:49] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: sudo gedit /usr/share/gdm/BuiltInSessions/default.desktop
[10:49] <crimsun> Bader: then start typing.
[10:49] <Cygnusx|Weg> ok
[10:49] <Cygnusx|Weg> i have it
[10:49] <tolle> lamont: yeah, remove the ip before smtp in it...
[10:50] <tolle> lamont: Still doesnt do it for me.
[10:50] <malegria> hello folks.
[10:50] <Bader> crimsun: what I'm supposed to see ?
[10:50] <Destructo> ok im gettng gcc command nor found
[10:50] <Spiniker> I've just burnt the ISO & verified it - was ok ... tried to install (formatted existing 8GB etx3 partition) - but it halts on installing main with debootstrap error - and cant contnue
[10:50] <cthulfuego> Destructo: Install gcc.
[10:50] <Bader> crimsun: in addition, I got "PCI: cannot allocate resource" at boot time...
[10:50] <lamont> tolle: there are 2 lines, you need to remove it from one, comment the other out, and then postfix restart
[10:51] <tolle> lamont: ah, i had just forgotten to specify what hosts to accept it as.
[10:51] <larsrohdin> ok, i've found my themes now=)
[10:51] <Destructo> cthulfuego i installed gcc.3.4base .......deb
[10:51] <randabis> Spinkiker probably a bad burn
[10:51] <Skwid_> crimsun: what do you mean by that ?
[10:52] <crimsun> Skwid_: install the -dev packages that are required by the source you're trying to compile.
[10:52] <Spiniker> ok I did try a second burn but maybe I will try another CD (cdrw) - was confuses me is I made an ISO from the CD and the md5 is the same ??
[10:52] <Skwid_> ok
[10:52] <crimsun> Skwid_: it would help immensely if you said which source you're trying to compile.
[10:52] <Spiniker> will try another cd
[10:52] <Destructo> which gcc should i install .. ?
[10:53] <magpie> anyone home?
[10:53] <crimsun> Bader: did you follow the troubleshooting guide at the url I pasted several hours ago?
[10:53] <MyKq3> have u seen what GnomeTeme is going to do about Gnome2.10 !!!
[10:53] <crimsun> Bader: http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/trouble-shooting.txt , that is.
[10:53] <MyKq3> http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-10/ check this out
[10:54] <crimsun> Destructo: the default gcc will suffice.
[10:54] <Destructo> crimsun k how do i set the environment variable CC to a working compiler
[10:54] <Cygnusx|Weg> hmm
[10:54] <magpie> can anyone tell me what they're menu.lst says?
[10:54] <crimsun> Destructo: no need to do that.
[10:54] <Cygnusx|Weg> still no work
[10:54] <Cygnusx|Weg> im gonna sleep
[10:55] <Cygnusx|Weg> i'll try on
[10:55] <Cygnusx|Weg> tomorrow
[10:55] <Cygnusx|Weg> byw
[10:55] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: make sure you copied bin/
[10:55] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: and not src/
[10:55] <kent> about that Davyd wrote of gnome 2.10, will that menu-design be default in Gnome2.10? Have Ubuntu made them to copy the Ubuntu Hoary style?
[10:55] <Destructo> crimsun k that ubuntu has no internet , can you point me to a url so ill dload and burn
[10:55] <Bader> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/230540 for my lspci
[10:56] <crimsun> Destructo: you need libc6-dev, gcc-3.3, g++-3.3, make, and dpkg-dev
[10:56] <eruin> anyone here know what's the latest point2play version?
[10:56] <larsrohdin> crimsun, you there?
[10:56] <crimsun> eruin: www.transgaming.com
[10:56] <crimsun> larsrohdin: ?
[10:56] <benkong2> jaco; If I could just figure out that curved display in the lower left  corner I would be close
[10:56] <crimsun> Bader: sec.
[10:56] <eruin> I think I might as well start another subscription
[10:56] <larsrohdin> i've found the themes now... nut they're not in tar.gz format...
[10:57] <crimsun> Bader: and the contents of /proc/bus/input/devices to pastebin.com
[10:57] <Bader> crimsun: thanks, I already read it, but I don't have switching PS2/USB in my BIOS, synaptic driver for X is loaded fine, I don't have any USB mouse either
[10:58] <crimsun> Bader: so /var/log/XFree86.0.log confirms that the driver detects a touchpad?
[10:58] <Bader> crimsun: no sorry, synaptic is not loaded at all.
[10:59] <eruin> ack! bloody 2.6.9+ ptrace bug
[10:59] <Bader> crimsun: it didn't load it, it fails.
[10:59] <Bader> crimsun: I'll paste my Xfree86 log to
[10:59] <Bader> too
[11:00] <jdub> kent: we haven't "made them" do anything
[11:00] <cwa2> it all started with trying to install gdesklets...
[11:01] <cwa2> now I can't login to X
[11:01] <jdub> kent: one of the panel maintainers pushed it upstream
[11:01] <cwa2> my gdm login background is gone
[11:01] <cwa2> and when I login, the screen hangs
[11:01] <cwa2> can anyone help?
[11:01] <kent> jdub, spelling-misstake of mine. But its cool that it was accepted upstream. Its a good design!
[11:02] <mbp_> hi jdub
[11:03] <jdub> yo mbp_
[11:03] <jdub> mbp_: not coming up for wednesday hackfest? :)
[11:03] <mbp_> oh, today
[11:03] <mbp_> maybe next time
[11:03] <jdub> cool
[11:04] <cthulfuego> Hackfests in straya? Am I missing out?
[11:04] <mbp_> every wednesday?
[11:04] <mojo_> Can anyone help me figure out how to re-order my sound cards in Ubuntu/Hoary?
[11:04] <cthulfuego> mojo_: Just swap the driver lines in /etc/modules (or put them in, in preferred load order)
[11:04] <Bader> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/230544
[11:05] <thenuke> is it easy to setup somekind of software RAID to ease up utilisation of many harddisks with many partitions.. so that those many partitions would show up as a one big partition
[11:05] <mojo_> thulufuego:  they are not loaded in /ect/modules
[11:05] <wasabi> That's what LVM is
[11:06] <cwa2> I get a localhost gconfd:Resolved address "XML:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only configuration at source position 0
[11:06] <Bader> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/230546 for xfree86 log
[11:06] <topyli> so who has a working serial irda dongle?
[11:06] <melazyboy> thenuke: i don't believe software raid works like that
[11:06] <cthulfuego> mojo_: Simply add 'em in then.
[11:07] <cthulfuego> mojo_: either with an editor or with modconf.
[11:07] <melazyboy> thenuke: it will just add the constrant of having to utilize the drives wheither you use them or not
[11:07] <mojo_> cthulufuego:  I thought I should edit etc/modules.conf, but that file says not to edit it... It is apparently generated by update-modules.  So where do I do my config?
[11:07] <cthulfuego> mojo_: /etc/modules  (not /etc/modules.conf)
[11:07] <melazyboy> thenuke: but setting it up is easy you will have loose everything when you create the array just apt-get raid-tools, and man mkraid, and raidtab
[11:08] <topyli> mojo_: edit something in /etc/modutils, that's what update-modules reads
[11:08] <mojo_> cthulu..: My sould is loading _somewhere_ already... I just need to re-order the motherboard and audigy2 drivers so audigy2 is primary
[11:08] <cthulfuego> mojo_: Any parameters you can add via files in /etc/modutils/* (2.4 kernels) or /etc/modprobe.d/* (2.6 kernels)
[11:08] <crimsun> mojo_: there's a short way and a long way, but I'll need a couple minutes to describe it.
[11:08] <cthulfuego> mojo_: yes, it's loaded via 'hotplug' or 'discover'. Just add the drivers manually in the order you want them to load in /etc/modules.
[11:08] <mojo_> I am running hoary with 2.6.10
[11:09] <topyli> cthulfuego: oh yeah, modprobe.d
[11:09] <cthulfuego> mojo_: That will be processed FIRST, so they'll load right (before hotplug or discover can)
[11:09] <Bader> crimsun: any idea? could it be related to "PCI Cannot allocate resource" error?
[11:09] <cwa2> and and gconfd:Resolved addres "xml:readwrite:/home/cwa2/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 1
[11:10] <cwa2> is there a txt/console web browser installed in Warty? I want to google the errors
[11:10] <cthulfuego> cwa2: links/lynx
[11:11] <cwa2> I thought so, not installed
[11:11] <crimsun> Bader: it's possible.
[11:11] <cwa2> can I get it from apt?
[11:11] <cthulfuego> apt-get install
[11:11] <mojo_> cthulufuego: okay so /etc/modules will load them at boot, but I am not sure then what to put in there.  I suppose "emu10k1" on a blank line.  Can I do an options statement in there too?
[11:11] <crimsun> Bader: but-- note you have a ps/2 mouse
[11:11] <jaco> uhm... about dns
[11:11] <Bader> crimsun: a touchpad recognized as a ps/2 mouse it's better nan none.
[11:12] <cthulfuego> mojo_: Not to my knowledge. just the module name in there; add the options via /etc/modprobe.d/*
[11:12] <jaco> i can mount windows smb connection
[11:12] <Bader> s/nan/than
[11:12] <borgista> how to start a program at login ?(in gnome) anybody?
[11:12] <jaco> but i can't' view all the host in my intranet
[11:12] <crimsun> Bader: then it's using ps/2 emulation.
[11:12] <jaco> why?
[11:12] <jdub> borgista: desktop preferences > sessions
[11:12] <Bader> borgista: ubuntuguide.org
[11:12] <borgista> thank you.
[11:12] <crimsun> Bader: and that's why your touchpad isn't being recognized
[11:12] <crimsun> I have to cut out for a meeting, bbl.
[11:12] <larsrohdin> crimsun, i downloaded obconf... alot easier=)
[11:12] <Bader> crimsun: rmmod ps2mouse ?
[11:12] <jaco> i've reaed something about dns solver
[11:13] <jaco> but i don't remember
[11:13] <jaco> any idea?
[11:13] <Bader> rmmod psmouse ?
[11:13] <topyli> oh. ubuntuguide.org? let's see. do they say how to enable irda? ;)
[11:13] <Bader> jaco: what's a dns solver?
[11:13] <larsrohdin> one last question... if I minimize a window, where does it go?
[11:13] <Bader> jaco: something like discover or RendezVous ?
[11:14] <jaco> Bader: mmmm something to resolve the smb hostname connection dynamically
[11:14] <jaco> in this case
[11:14] <benkong2> ok i'm dying here how do i get sendmail to work ubuntu 4.10
[11:14] <HrdwrBoB> benkong2: why do you want sendmail
[11:14] <randabis-laptop> <3xfce
[11:14] <Neo_654> jaco, couldn't you just put the smb hostname in a host file?
[11:14] <HrdwrBoB> benkong2: postfix is already installed
[11:15] <jaco> Neo_654: with warthy it has worked without any problem
[11:15] <mojo_> cthulufuego:  so if the options go in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, then should I not be able to do 'option emu10k1 index=0' or some such (not sure of syntax)?  That would be what I was looking for...  But I can try just listing emu10k1 in /etc/modules if that would work.  I just don't want to edit something that will be lost in an upgrade
[11:15] <jaco> with hoary i can't see the list
[11:15] <jaco> i dunno why
[11:15] <topyli> benkong2: why sendmail specifically?
[11:15] <jaco> in my network ther r 170 pc i don't want write their name in an host file
[11:16] <Neo_654> jaco, ok I was getting tired of the slowness when surfing so I had to dig deep to speed up the dns.
[11:16] <cthulfuego> mojo_: No, they will both stay there. Debian based packages NEVER delete customised stuff without explicit consent.
[11:16] <Neo_654> jaco, well that does make since.  With that many don't you have one running dns?
[11:16] <Skwid_> can i change init level in ubuntu ?
[11:17] <jaco> no it's unnecessary with a windows based network
[11:17] <jaco> and also with warty is unnecessary
[11:17] <jaco> it works
[11:17] <jaco> with hoary i can't see the list
[11:17] <cwa2> I don't have X anymore, what's the command to get lynx?
[11:17] <cwa2> apt-get ???
[11:17] <benkong2> HrdwrBoB; cause i'm using these docs as a guide http://www.idealog.us/2004/10/so_you_want_to_.html and I thought i needed both
[11:17] <jazzka> hi!
[11:17] <Neo_654> jaco, thats strange.  My 2k3 wasn't being seen so I had to set it.
[11:18] <benkong2> topyli; I just do not know any better
[11:18] <mojo_> cthulufuego: That is good to know.  I will give the suggestions a try... but I still hope to learn how it's "meant" to be done...  edumacation is umpertant two mee
[11:18] <mojo_> thanks for the help
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> benkong2: you should use postfix instead of sendmail, esp given that it's installed
[11:18] <Lowry> hi all
[11:18] <jaco> Neo_654: mmm i dunno, with my first installation the windows network was discovered without problems
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> there's lots of info on the postfix site
[11:18] <Lowry> any ppc users?
[11:18] <jazzka> I've got an IDE hard drive connected with an external usb box to the computer.  Ubuntu sets the disk as a scsi device, and the speed is very low, why?
[11:19] <jdub> plus, we don't support sendmail :-)
[11:19] <benkong2> topyli; HrdwrBoB ; my goal is to have this one ubuntu box at a static address behind my router that gets email from my isp snf then gives me access to email in imap
[11:19] <jdub> jazzka: usb disks are handled by the scsi emulator, but that's unrelated to the speed
[11:19] <lamont> mojo_: and when you want mail for more than just your box... you'll need to edit /etc/postfix/master.cf
[11:19] <jdub> jazzka: do you have usb 2 or 1.1 on your machine?
[11:19] <Lowry> wondering if ubuntu ppc can support isight?
[11:19] <cwa2> are there any console mail clients installed by def on Warty?
[11:19] <jazzka> jdub, not sure :(
[11:19] <Lowry> just video
[11:19] <jaco> i've found! :)
[11:20] <jazzka> jdub, can I know with a command?
[11:20] <cwa2> I don't have pine
[11:20] <jaco> winbind this is the solution i think
[11:20] <jaco> :)
[11:20] <jdub> Lowry: google for isight linux, it's not a ppc-specific issue
[11:20] <benkong2> HrdwrBoB; any good sites or learning spots on how. I go do a man postfix now
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> postfix.org
[11:20] <jdub> jazzka: no, just wondering what hardware you have; can you type lsmod | grep ehci ?
[11:20] <ideafix> is it true that this distro has no firewall ?
[11:20] <jdub> ideafix: yes. it doesn't need one.
[11:20] <lamont> benkong2: www.postfix.org is your friend
[11:21] <ideafix> LOL
[11:21] <benkong2> Whay is google full of sites where people are using courier-imap, postfix, sendmail etc.
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> ideafix: yes, however there are no listening inbound ports
[11:21] <jazzka> lsmod |grep ehci
[11:21] <jazzka> ehci_hcd               27780  0
[11:21] <jazzka> usbcore               104292  6 ehci_hcd,usbhid,usb_storage,ohci_hcd
[11:21] <jdub> ideafix: there are no listening ports by default, so if you add other services, you know what you're doing
[11:21] <jdub> ideafix: there are firewall packages around, however
[11:21] <jdub> jazzka: looks like you have usb2 then
[11:21] <jdub> jazzka: it shouldn't be horribly slow
[11:21] <Cube-ness> hey.. i managed to get hibernate and suspend to work on my laptop.. but when it tries to resume from either of those states, it loks like x hangs.. i see the desktop, but all wacked out.. is there something i can do to resolve this?
[11:21] <benkong2> I tried originally one setup where fetchmail gets the mail from my isp sends it to postfix which sent it to courier-imap-ssl....still don't have that working
[11:22] <ideafix> so this distro is has open as it gets :-)
[11:22] <benkong2> but I am determined to make this work if it's the last thing I do.
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> benkong2: personally I would use fetchmail et al
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> as on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupEmailHowto
[11:22] <jdub> ideafix: ah, we just said there are no listening ports by default
[11:22] <Scooter> Hello all! :D , I am useing hoary finaly , and I have been scouring the forums for what it means when synaptic says "NOT AUTHENDICATED", does this mean I need to add more apt-repositories? TIA :)
[11:22] <jdub> ideafix: that's an explicit policy goal
[11:22] <Scooter> I am trying to install Xorg
[11:22] <cwa2> could someone PLEASE tell me how to install the lynx package w/ apt?
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> cwa2: sudo apt-get install lynx
[11:23] <borgista> sudo apt-get install lynx
[11:23] <benkong2> HrdwrBoB; thanks are u saying one of these progs would give me a working mail server?
[11:23] <Bader> cwa2: apt-cache search yourpackage to find some package, apt-get install somepackage to install it, you could also use synaptic
[11:23] <ideafix> i tryed gnome and it sucked
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> benkong2: it depends what you mean, I suggest you read up on the basic docs of how mail works
[11:24] <lamont> cwa2: apt-get install lynx
[11:24] <Bader> ideafix: s/GNOME/KDE/ :)
[11:24] <benkong2> I have a dyndns address and I have apache working so I also plan on adding squirremail later. Thanks
[11:24] <ideafix> i like /KDE/GNOME/
[11:24] <cwa2> I don't have X anyone!
[11:24] <cwa2> so no synaptic!
[11:25] <cwa2> thx for the apt commands though
[11:25] <ideafix> so this is a hacked debian distro ?
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> ideafix: it's not exactly 'hacked'
[11:26] <Cube-ness> oh wait.. i know...
[11:26] <ideafix> because i HATE HAXORS
[11:26] <Bader> ideafix: no in fact it's a Solaris9 one.
[11:26] <bluefoxicy> uh
[11:26] <bluefoxicy> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-January/000008.html
[11:26] <Cube-ness> its not beos.. so it cant possibly be any good
[11:26] <bluefoxicy> the site is already one of the most usable I've ever seen
[11:26] <borgista> hacking doesn't have to be negative.
[11:27] <bluefoxicy> granted i hate the colorscheme
[11:27] <jono> hi all
[11:27] <bluefoxicy> (blues and silver-blues would be much nicer)
[11:27] <cwa2> I can't install lynx due to some dependcy issues, complains about gnome-panel
[11:27] <jono> anyone facing apache problems in hoary at the moment?
[11:27] <ideafix> hacking is only good to get warez goiong
[11:27] <bluefoxicy> but the feel is friggin' awesome
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> cwa2: apt-get -f install may fix that
[11:27] <cwa2> libecal & libdataserver
[11:27] <sri|work> anybody having trouble with installing monodevelop?
[11:27] <Bader> bluefoxicy: I rather prefer the actual theme, it's much more in the Ubuntu scheme color.
[11:27] <sri|work> mine seems to have a problem with libgtksourceview-cil
[11:27] <sri|work> it gives me
[11:27] <cwa2> HrdwrBob: it didn't work, tried that
[11:28] <sri|work> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtksourceview-cil_0.5-2ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[11:28] <sri|work>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs/nemerle.lang', which is also in package libgtksourceview-common
[11:28] <ideafix> how good is this distro at running bitorrent ?
[11:28] <mojo_> hacking is how we got stuff like gnu, linux, and all... lol!  Just 'cuz the nightly news started billing 'hacker' as a negative word does not mean that is what the word means.  TV culture... Sheesh...
[11:29] <HrdwrBoB> ideafix: as good as any other
[11:29] <ideafix> hackers worms virus and other microscopic things make me paranoid !
[11:29] <jdub> ideafix: "hacker" means a different thing in the open source world
[11:30] <borgista> any distro runs bittorrent
[11:30] <borgista> they run it the same.
[11:30] <borgista> none is any better than the other.
[11:30] <borgista> what matters is the client.
[11:31] <ideafix> i recon its a good idiea to have a firewalless distro that way users dont need to fill in bug reports
[11:31] <larsrohdin> do i have to use nautilus to show icons on the desktop in open box?
[11:31] <mojo_> ideafix: there may be "lore" arguments, but I think the word hacker came from maybe as far back as the 50's when the Tech Model Railroad Club at MIT would 'hack' together changes for their railroad.  The signaling and wiring people were the same sorts who started 'hacking' early computer electronics hardware
[11:32] <jdub> larsrohdin: that'd be one (good) way of doing it
[11:32] <larsrohdin> jdub, what other ways are there?
[11:32] <jdub> larsrohdin: there are other file managers
[11:33] <mojo_> Some folks from the TMRC morphed into the Artificial Intelligence lab at MIT, as I understand it.  Hacking just means working on hardware, or more commonly now, programming code.. for the purpose of improving or customizing it.  Hobbyist/Enthusiast coding.
[11:33] <larsrohdin> jdub, ok, but nautilus is ok with me... how can i make nautilus start on boot?
[11:34] <jdub> larsrohdin: you'd have to add it to the openbox startup file, or if you start openbox in .xsession, add it there
[11:34] <borgista> Computer -----> System Configuration ----->Sessions
[11:34] <jdub> for instance:
[11:34] <mojo_> ideafix: but hey, it's all just lore.  Worms and Viruses are not nice, but you can protect yourself.  Using Open Source is a good step.
[11:34] <jdub> nautilus &
[11:34] <jdub> exec openbox
[11:34] <ideafix> so what do you call a person that getis inside some other person computer with out they knowning it ?
[11:34] <borgista> sorry, Desktop preferences not System....
[11:34] <borgista> ideafix......HACKING IS NOT JUST THAT!
[11:35] <r3v3rb> hi guys.
[11:35] <borgista> Good lord.
[11:35] <larsrohdin> ok wheres the .xsession file again?
[11:35] <jdub> ideafix: cracking
[11:35] <jdub> larsrohdin: ~/.xsession
[11:35] <jdub> larsrohdin: depends how you start openbox though
[11:35] <r3v3rb> i need help
[11:35] <jdub> larsrohdin: how did you configure it as your default?
[11:35] <topyli> hey this ubuntu starter guide is pretty cool. won't teach you much though :)
[11:35] <r3v3rb> whats the best way to warty->hoary upgrade ?
[11:35] <mojo_> ideafix:  Check out this link for an article about a firewall program called Firestarter: http://security.linux.com/security/05/01/03/2250258.shtml?tid=49&tid=47&tid=35
[11:35] <ideafix> cracking is another thing
[11:35] <larsrohdin> it was something with that file... crimsun helped me.
[11:35] <jdub> r3v3rb: switch warty to hoary in your sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-uprade
[11:36] <Destructo> ok issues. so im trying to install g++-3.3_3.3.4 then i get error to install libstdcc++5.3.3-dev   but i get an error telling me to install g++....
[11:36] <jdub> larsrohdin: ok, paste the contents here
[11:36] <ideafix> running a firewall as root dont seem too much of a good idea IMHO
[11:36] <r3v3rb> cheers jdub. synaptic balls up my install yesterday doing it
[11:36] <sobralense> r3v3rb, I think , its better before all this, you make some backups if really important things
[11:36] <borgista> last time I upgraded from warty to hoary it broke my installation. Does it work better now?
[11:36] <larsrohdin> jdub, well ill have to find it first right?
[11:36] <sobralense> r3v3rb, if dont have a backup partition is a good day to start have it
[11:36] <jdub> ideafix: the packet filtering code is in the kernel
[11:36] <jdub> ideafix: you don't run a firewall 'as root'
[11:36] <jdub> larsrohdin: ~/.xsession
[11:36] <sobralense> borgista, I'm using hoary =P
[11:36] <r3v3rb> is it that unstable ?
[11:37] <sobralense> r3v3rb, not so
[11:37] <borgista> I'm just asking.
[11:37] <borgista> Last time it broke Nautilus.
[11:37] <ideafix> firestarter runs as root
[11:37] <mojo_> ideafix:  err... what jdub said.  Firestarter is a nice GUI-way of managing the built-in firewall features in Linux
[11:37] <jdub> ideafix: that's the gui
[11:37] <r3v3rb> i had trouble, in that synaptic package manager disappeared from menus and apt wasn't even installed after update
[11:37] <sobralense> borgista, really, the gnome from hoary (and for me , warty too) is borken
[11:37] <larsrohdin> jdub, whats ~/ ?
[11:37] <borgista> como?
[11:38] <sobralense> borgista, when you change the gnome-panel or something
[11:38] <jdub> larsrohdin: your home directory, it means the same thing as /home/larsrohdin/
[11:38] <larsrohdin> ok
[11:38] <jaco> for neo and the other, the problem with hoary and windows network was that winbind was'nt installed
[11:38] <borgista> ~/ points to /home/USERNAME
[11:38] <jdub> larsrohdin: so, /home/larsrohdin/.xsession
[11:38] <r3v3rb> borgista, no spanish por favor
[11:38] <borgista> alright.
[11:38] <borgista> sorry.
[11:38] <r3v3rb> ;)
[11:38] <cwa2> ^gnome
[11:38] <borgista> what's the spanish ubuntu channel? anyone know?
[11:38] <cwa2> ^C
[11:38] <jdub> #ubuntu-es
[11:38] <HrdwrBoB> #ubuntu-es
[11:38] <sobralense> borgista, i know the #ubuntu-pt
[11:38] <r3v3rb> no es un problema para me pero...
[11:38] <borgista> thank you.
[11:38] <larsrohdin> jdub, nope, not there
[11:38] <borgista> lo entiendo.
[11:39] <jdub> larsrohdin: then you're not starting openbox that way :)
[11:39] <mojo_> Ideafix:  I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I don't think you understand firewalls and packet-filtering very well.  If you are parnoid about such things, you would do well to read some technical articles on the subjects.  Knowledge is power, friend!
[11:39] <larsrohdin> jdub, ok... i thought i was... but maybe i was wrong... then what?
[11:39] <ideafix> Knowledge is power hide it well ...
[11:39] <sobralense> oh, I broke my scroll button from mouse... =/
[11:39] <r3v3rb> jdub, is it best to do update/upgrade without starting x ?
[11:39] <jdub> larsrohdin: you'll have to find out how you're starting openbox
[11:40] <bassinboy> how do i go back to using gdm?
[11:40] <jdub> r3v3rb: doesn't matter
[11:40] <mojo_> Ideafix: power to the people... it's the open-source revolution
[11:40] <ideafix> power to the HAXORS
[11:40] <sobralense> r3v3rb, all changes will take effects on reboot
[11:40] <r3v3rb> and xorg is working as well as in mdk10.1 or fc3 ?
[11:40] <r3v3rb> sobralense, fantastic !
[11:40] <sobralense> r3v3rb, xorg is perfect for me.. hehehe
[11:40] <mojo_> ideafix: lol
[11:40] <sobralense> r3v3rb, and old video-board here..
[11:40] <larsrohdin> crimsun, ?
[11:41] <ideafix> sobralense you can suck my arse
[11:41] <borgista> i'm tempted to move to hoary, but i don't want ubuntu to break again
[11:41] <r3v3rb> not for my crappy old s3 prosavage though !
[11:41] <sobralense> ideafix, ...
[11:41] <ideafix> HAXOR
[11:41] <topyli> r3v3rb: i would reboot pretty soon after tha upgrade though :)
[11:41] <larsrohdin> jdub, ok ill be back=)
[11:41] <will> NO SWEARING / OBSENITIES!!!
[11:41] <r3v3rb> who wants to start work on getting those newish accelerated drivers into hoary !
[11:41] <ideafix> absurdeits
[11:41] <sobralense> r3v3rb, I have a "Stealth 3D 3000" from Diamond, with 4mb and using "s3virge"  driver for X ... wanna MORE?!
[11:41] <sobralense> ahsudhasd
[11:41] <ideafix> absurdeitys
[11:42] <borgista> absurdities?
[11:42] <larsrohdin> jdub, i choose default session to use open box... if that helps...
[11:42] <mojo_> methingks ideafix is stuck in a loop... 10 ECHO 'HAXOR!' : 20 GOTO 10
[11:42] <jdub> r3v3rb: the ati drivers? they've already been uploaded.
[11:42] <jdub> larsrohdin: in gdm?
[11:42] <larsrohdin> yes
[11:42] <r3v3rb> ati ? no via s3
[11:42] <jdub> ah, it must install a session file
[11:42] <jdub> larsrohdin: so, now you should find out if openbox has a startup script
[11:42] <larsrohdin> ok... how?
[11:42] <yaaar> so, i'm trying to build my own package for sun-j2sdk1.5, as instructed by http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java ....but I can't get the 'dpkg -i' and 'apt-get install' steps to complete. Both steps error out saying "file not found" basically. The wiki says the first step will error, but that the second one will work properly...
[11:42] <jdub> read the docs :)
[11:43] <Bader> back
[11:43] <jdub> yaaar: are you pointing to the actual file?
[11:43] <r3v3rb> according to the probo site, via/s3 have some experimental Prosavage DDR drivers for linux that have some opengl and mpeg2 hardware accel built in
[11:43] <larsrohdin> openbox docs?
[11:43] <jdub> larsrohdin: yeah
[11:43] <topyli> r3v3rb: i used to have a sis 6326 or what's the model. ooh. it was interesting :)
[11:43] <yaaar> jdub: well, i would if I knew what it was. The steps are just listed complete, so i'm doing it verbatim
[11:43] <ideafix> is this distro based on SID ?
[11:44] <jdub> yaaar: part of the process is creating a file
[11:44] <jdub> ideafix: yes, it's a branch of sid
[11:44] <yaaar> jdub: no kidding...
[11:44] <jdub> yaaar: that's the file you want to install
[11:44] <sobralense> yaaar, try downloading from sun 's site
[11:44] <yaaar> sobralense: i'm way past that, thanks
[11:44] <ideafix> must be full of exploitable bugs
[11:44] <yaaar> jdub: how do i know what file it created?
[11:44] <jdub> sobralense: sun don't create ubuntu packages, the above is a guide for making the sun package into an ubuntu package
[11:45] <jdub> yaaar: that's the file you're trying to install
[11:45] <borgista> so, where do i change the synaptic settings to upgrade to hoary?
[11:45] <topyli> ideafix: unstable is not full of bugs
[11:45] <jdub> ideafix: no, we have freezes and bugfixing periods before our six monthly stable releases
[11:45] <sobralense> jdub, sure, I tried using the apt-get for it and wont work.. so I downloaded from sun, unpacked like described on tutorial and used.. =P
[11:45] <mojo_> ideafix: the code that 'touches' packets at the low levels of the network drivers is in the kernel.  So, too, the code that can scan and filter them.  Firestarter is a program that has 'permission' to change those settings.  So you want to make sure a trusted (root) user is the one mucking with those settings... thus you run Firestarter as root.  you don't want anyone else being able to do that.  Does that help?  It is not a security 'problem', it is an importa
[11:45] <mojo_> nt security feature.
[11:46] <crypticreign> strange, rhythmbox uses 100% cpu when its "buffering"
[11:46] <borgista> anyone? anyone? how to upgarde to hoary? anyone? anyone?
[11:47] <jdub> borgista: replace warty with hoary in sources.list and update/upgrade
[11:47] <larsrohdin> jdub, and how do i know if open box have or doesn't have a startup script?
[11:47] <crypticreign> borgista: change your sources.list
[11:47] <borgista> thank you. :-D
[11:47] <topyli> mojo_: you said "nt security" :)
[11:47] <jdub> larsrohdin: i'm sure the docs wil say
[11:47] <sobralense> borgista, www.ubuntuforums.org try this
[11:47] <r3v3rb> okay bbl. time to hoary
[11:47] <r3v3rb> :)
[11:47] <borgista> ok, ok.
[11:47] <larsrohdin> do you mean man?
[11:47] <jdub> borgista: if you don't know how to upgrade, i don't recommend doing it
[11:47] <sobralense> borgista, but go to "search" section! please! =P
[11:47] <ideafix> can this distro be upgraded with out having to reinstall once a new release comes out ?
[11:47] <jdub> ideafix: yes, of course
[11:47] <larsrohdin> yes
[11:47] <sobralense> jdub, so he will never learn?
[11:48] <borgista> i've done it before.
[11:48] <jdub> borgista: you should only upgrade to hoary if you're comfortable testing and reporting bugs on a development distro
[11:48] <borgista> i've just forgotten how to since then.
[11:48] <sobralense> =] 
[11:48] <jdub> sobralense: that's not the opint
[11:48] <borgista> well then.
[11:48] <cwa2> is there a way to google from console?
[11:48] <Cube-ness> is there a gui tool for mounting hds/partitions?
[11:48] <mojo_> ideafix:  Yes, I am already running on Hoary pre-release.  You just change the sources in the package manager and upgrade your packages
[11:48] <borgista> How far away is OFFICIAL hoary?
[11:48] <jdub> borgista: preview in march, final in april
[11:48] <ideafix> if this distro is so damn good why are people running red hat  suse and mandrake ?
[11:49] <topyli> cwa2: use links or another browser
[11:49] <hikaru79> ideafix, they haven't tried Ubuntu yet, most likely =P
[11:49] <borgista> ideafix is offcially a TROLL
[11:49] <jdub> ideafix: that's a pretty ridiculous question, dude.
[11:49] <sobralense> borgista, hoary is stable enough to some people ... but very unstable for others that preffer using warty backports..
[11:49] <ideafix> borgista you are unoficial nutard
[11:49] <mojo_> ideafix: different strokes for different folks... it's all democratic dude.  PS - why are you so agro?  You try to provoke and seem hostile.
[11:49] <ideafix> im agnostic
[11:49] <sobralense> borgista, just try hoary and take care about backups .. may help too much
[11:50] <borgista> i USED to run mandrake. just wasn't stable enough for me.
[11:50] <Cube-ness> its typical of beos users.. that got bitchy when be inc died.. think amiga users
[11:50] <cwa2> I can't install links
[11:50] <ideafix> because i dont trust any one geving free stuff
[11:50] <ideafix> givin
[11:50] <sobralense> I dont know.. I think ideafix is a good troll...
[11:50] <sobralense> dont feed it.
[11:50] <crypticreign> can anyone get a station they added to rhythmbox to play?
[11:51] <borgista> ideafix is a capitalist, it seems. "if it doesn't costs anything, it's worth nothing."
[11:51] <eruin> sobralense: agreed
 apt-get install xmms
[11:51] <borgista> or a PURE capitalist.
[11:51] <jdub> guys, don't get encourage the off-topic discussion please
[11:51] <topyli> cwa2: why not? do you have lynx?
[11:51] <eruin> we're all communists anyway
[11:51] <crypticreign> Scooter: i already have that, but thanks :)
[11:51] <crypticreign> Scooter: p.s. im a linux user of 7 years.. not a n00b :)
[11:51] <mojo_> Ideafix: good luck with your firewall.. and have fun on my ignore list... bye!
[11:51] <Scooter> I cant get rythem box to work either :) xmms is my workaround
[11:51] <eruin> I just made stfu a verb!
[11:51] <sobralense> everytime you give what to talk for a troll, God kills a penguim
[11:51] <sobralense> =P
[11:51] <ideafix> im a socialist thats why i dont trust capitalist givin out stuff
[11:52] <borgista> and we're capitalists?
[11:52] <jdub> guys
[11:52] <borgista> hehehehehehe.
[11:52] <eruin> I don't like penguins
[11:52] <ideafix> there has to be a catch some were
[11:52] <Cube-ness> anyway.. is it just my computer, or did i miss somehting when trying to resume from suspend-to-ram or to hd.. xserver (running hoary/xorg) just fail to restart
[11:52] <Lowry> later
[11:52] <crypticreign> open source = communism
[11:52] <crypticreign> :^)
[11:52] <jdub> don't encourage the off-topic discussion please
[11:52] <crypticreign> ok
[11:52] <mojo_> capitalists?  Hell, I don't own any property!!!
[11:52] <borgista> open source = non-centralized socialism
[11:53] <borgista> I don't even own my car.
[11:53] <jdub> mojo_, borgista: dudes.
[11:53] <cwa2> How about dealing with my topic? since you don't want to go off-topic
[11:53] <mojo_> why are we talking polotics?
[11:53] <Scooter> capitalist just means a bank owns you instead of the governmant.
[11:53] <mojo_> jdub: right on...
[11:53] <ideafix> i think this linux stuff is design to hack communist folks
[11:53] <topyli> so, anybody in who has a working serial irda dongle? because i sure don't
[11:53] <borgista> ideafix really is a classic troll.
[11:53] <yaaar> jdub: so, how am i supposed to know what file got created? none of the commands the wiki says to run specify the output file.
[11:53] <cwa2> I don't even have a working gdm
[11:53] <jdub> borgista: dude, please stop
[11:53] <borgista> ok.
[11:54] <jdub> yaaar: surely the dpkg -i <package> line specifies the name?
[11:54] <topyli> cwa2: you wanted to surf the web from the console?
[11:54] <jdub> Scooter: please don't
[11:54] <Scooter> ok sorry
[11:55] <cwa2> yes, in an attempt to google my gdm errors, since I can't get any help here
[11:55] <ideafix> Scooter: next time you throws a pie dont aim at my dick
[11:55] <jdub> ideafix: keep it polite, please.
[11:55] <mojo_> cwa GDM errors or g*dd*mn errors?  lol!
[11:55] <cwa2> mojo: both, at this point
[11:55] <yaaar> jdub: well, it specifies what I took to be the input file....but that's the command that's saying file not found. and i'm using the exact same filename after -i that it shows in the wiki, and then in the next step i'm using the same thing also.
[11:55] <mojo_> sorry, didn't mean to lead you on... lemme read back to see what you asked...
[11:55] <topyli> cwa2: oh, you'll get help for both problems all right. irc isn't always instant you know
[11:56] <topyli> so what's the gdm error?
[11:56] <jdub> yaaar: if you've followed the process, you'll have a .deb file there
[11:56] <jdub> yaaar: that's what you're meant to be installing
[11:56] <yaaar> jdub: i *did* follow the process, and i don't have a .deb file anywhere i can detect.
[11:56] <larsrohdin> jdub, i found something=) this is what crimsun told me to write, and after i did i could start openbox... sudo echo "exec /usr/bin/openbox" >> ~/.xsession
[11:57] <mojo_> cwa, I don't see your problem description in my history.  What's the short version of the story?
[11:57] <Scooter> omg! for default install of fedora core 3 I get TUXRACER LMAO!!! this distro is pretty bloated...
[11:57] <jdub> yaaar: so something went wrong :)
[11:57] <yaaar> jdub: is it supposed to be in the directory i was in when i did all that stuff?
[11:57] <yaaar> jdub: no kidding?
[11:57] <cwa2> mojo: it's long error, give me a sec to type it back
[11:57] <jdub> larsrohdin: so you're choosing 'Xsession' in gdm?
[11:58] <jdub> yaaar: well, if you don't have a .deb file, i can only assume something went wrong
[11:58] <topyli> i'm asleep already. might as well go to bed
[11:58] <larsrohdin> yes i said so,
[11:58] <Scooter> wow, I am in wrong channel sorry, i thought this was the chat channell....
[11:58] <mojo_> cwa maybe you can priate msg me... I am not too busy to help a bro out... i can maybe google for you some info...
[11:58] <yaaar> jdub: i sort of started with that knowledge. i came in here hoping to find out WHAT went wrong
[11:58] <jdub> yaaar: go through the steps again, watch the output
[11:58] <jdub> yaaar: check what files exist at each point, etc.
[11:58] <sobralense> anybody knows if I do something like "chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm" I may start with a terminal and not with GDM ?
[11:58] <jdub> larsrohdin: ah, i thought you were choosing an openbox session in gdm
[11:59] <jdub> larsrohdin: okay, so edit .xsession, and add "nautilus &" at the beginning, before exec openbox
[11:59] <larsrohdin> ok, ive foun the .xsession file now... should i add nautilus to it?
[11:59] <jdub> it should read:
[11:59] <jdub> nautilus &
[11:59] <jdub> exec openbox
[11:59] <cwa2> localhost gconfd:Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only configuration source at position 0
[11:59] <ideafix> this distro has as SELinux  ?
[11:59] <larsrohdin> jdub, like this? nautilus & exec /usr/bin/openbox
[11:59] <jdub> cwa2: that is not a problem
[11:59] <jdub> larsrohdin: no, two lines
[11:59] <jdub> ideafix: no