[12:00] <yaaar> jdub: so, is it the fakeroot step that's supposed to create the .deb file?
[12:00] <larsrohdin> yes, i know but ibecame two lines when i pasted it
[12:00] <larsrohdin> thanks dude
[12:00] <jdub> yaaar: sure
[12:00] <sobralense> anybody knows if I do something like "chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm" I may start with a terminal and not with GDM ?
[12:00] <larsrohdin> jdub, to log out from open box, what should i type?
[12:00] <jdub> sobralense: just remove the gdm package
[12:01] <ideafix> isnt this distro a test bed for the next debian release ?
[12:01] <jdub> larsrohdin: erm, ctrl-alt-backspace is a quick way ;)
[12:01] <jdub> ideafix: not really, no
[12:01] <sobralense> jdub, I dont want to remove... just for testing issues.. and dont want to Xorg break the machine.. =] 
[12:01] <larsrohdin> ok... i thougt that was lik ctrl-alt-del in windows...
[12:01] <jdub> sobralense: you can always put it back easily enough
[12:01] <Mayday> anyway to see from what repository installed stuff came from?
[12:01] <ideafix> sobralense go troll else were haxor
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> larsrohdin: ctrl-alt-bksp kills X
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> larsrohdin: but you can ctrl+alt+F1 to get to a console with X still running
[12:02] <hikaru79> HrdwrBoB, lol
[12:02] <hikaru79> Someone pressed the keys eagerly =P
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[12:02] <jdub> no point mucking around ;)
[12:02] <hikaru79> BTW, HrdwrBoB, I think I saw you on bash.org. Was that you or just someone with the same name by some weird freak of chance?
[12:03] <Destructo> hey did anyne see my error ?
[12:03] <emz> #unbuntu: hikaru79 is god do not question him or dare to defie him
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> hikaru79: no there is only me
[12:03] <Destructo> ok issues. so im trying to install g++-3.3_3.3.4 then i get error to install libstdcc++5.3.3-dev   but i get an error telling me to install g++3.3..etc
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[12:03] <mojo_> cwa2: is that your only error?
[12:03] <hikaru79> emz, lol o_O;
[12:03] <ideafix> libstdcc is evil !!!
[12:04] <Josip> I have a little problem with my sound
[12:04] <Destructo> really.
[12:04] <Destructo> so now what
[12:04] <Josip> can someone tell me the defualt gstreamer sound configuration ?
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> Josip: it uses esd as a sink by default
[12:04] <Josip> and what for "default source" ?
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> which uses OSS compatability, which connects to the ALSA driver
[12:04] <ideafix> libstdcc is used bye haxors to code exploits on your machine !
[12:05] <Josip> ?
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> OSS
[12:05] <Josip> in the default source what shall I put ? Silence
[12:05] <Josip> ;-)
[12:05] <Josip> OSS , okay
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> silence is fine though
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> that's only if you're recording
[12:05] <Josip> I'm not
[12:05] <Destructo> ideafix great
[12:06] <Josip> but the sound isn't _clear_
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: what are uyou trying to do
[12:06] <larsrohdin> jdub, when i start... my home directory opens... why?
[12:06] <Destructo> trying to alot. but i need gcc so dloaded the requred stuff
[12:07] <Cloudchaser> heya...i'm trying to install some firefox themes from the mozilla website, but when i click on the install now..nothing happens at all..i know it worked when i first installed ubuntu because i installed some..but now it doesn't seem to work...anyone have any ideas?
[12:07] <Josip> It's with like .. hmm don't know how to explain
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: if you apt-get install build-essential it woull get this thigns you need to build from source
[12:07] <jdub> larsrohdin: ah, change your nautilus line to "nautilus --no-default-window &"
[12:07] <mojo_> cwa2... you there?
[12:07] <Destructo> HrdwrBoB that box has no intenet
[12:07] <larsrohdin> jdub, ok thx!
[12:08] <Destructo> bbl
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: well, easiest thing to do, run that on another machine, then copy over the debs from /var/cache/apt/
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: also, build-essential is on the CD
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> iirc
[12:08] <Destructo> how do i access that agin.. ?
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get would have added a soruce line for the CD
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> or you can use synaptic
[12:09] <sthirumurthy> how to install JDK on UBUNTU?
[12:09] <Destructo> k bbl
[12:09] <jdub> sthirumurthy: see the wiki
[12:09] <hikaru79> sthirumurthy, this topic is beaten to death in both the forum and wiki
[12:09] <bassinboy> how do i go back to using gdm?
[12:10] <sthirumurthy> Thanks
[12:10] <mojo_> hmph... offer to do leg work for someone and they just run off LOL!
[12:10] <bassinboy> stupid cat
[12:10] <ideafix> hehe
[12:11] <ideafix> what mojo_ means ?
[12:11] <ideafix> nojo ?
[12:12] <nictuku> Hi. anyone from brazil? Estou montando a comunidade ubuntu-br
[12:12] <emz> im look forward to tomorrow the day i will be blessed with.....
[12:12] <bassinboy>  how do i go back to using gdm?
[12:12] <emz> UBUNTU
[12:12] <jdub> nictuku: #ubuntu-pt might help :)
[12:12] <nictuku> jdub: hmm I'm trying to find some other members to #ubuntu-br :)
[12:13] <jdub> nictuku: aha
[12:13] <emz> im not brazilian ill just idle
[12:13] <jdub> nictuku: that's an entirely different matter then :)
[12:13] <jdub> nictuku: estou procurando minhas calas!
[12:13] <nictuku> thanks emz. that would help indeed
[12:13] <nictuku> jdub: hehe
[12:14] <ideafix> jdub  #ubuntu-pt
[12:14] <ZzeCoOl> does anyone knows how can i create a xorg.conf?  (i only just copy paste the settings from XF86Config file?)
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> fglrxconfig creates a XF86Config file
[12:15] <bassinboy> ZzeCoOl: X --configure
[12:15] <larsrohdin> Thanks for all the help everyone! I've learned alot of things, and i installed Ubuntu yesterday. I hope you don't get tired of all my questions, because i really want to learn.
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> bassinboy but i want to use it with ATi
[12:15] <yaaar> ok....so, by my best guess, fakeroot is complaining about not finding gcc. i can verify that gcc is not a command on my box. Do i need to apt-get that for fakeroot to work? If so, it raises two other questions: 1)which gcc...apt-cache shows like 10 versions, and 2)why wasn't gcc a dep of fakeroot?
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> i thik i must run fglrxconfig
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> think*
[12:15] <bassinboy> ZzeCoOl:  get nvidia ;)
[12:16] <ZzeCoOl> :<
[12:16] <yaaar> and speaking of which.....why am i even using fakeroot? can't i just run this as root?
[12:16] <Cube-ness> do the fglrx drivers work with the IGP radeons?
[12:16] <ZzeCoOl> dont really know
[12:16] <ZzeCoOl> nevermins
[12:16] <ZzeCoOl> nevermind
[12:16] <larsrohdin> how can i take a screenshot?
[12:16] <borgista> Compuer ----> Take shot
[12:16] <ZzeCoOl> xorg file look like the same or it is with XF86Config
[12:16] <jdub> larsrohdin: rock :)
[12:16] <borgista> screenshot*
[12:16] <borgista> computer*
[12:17] <jdub> larsrohdin: run
[12:17] <borgista> damn typos
[12:17] <jdub> larsrohdin: run 'gnome-panel-screenshot' from openbox
[12:17] <larsrohdin> aha ok=)
[12:17] <jdub> larsrohdin: you do realise you're making life slightly harder using openbox, right? :)
[12:17] <kbrooks> yaaar: well, you don't want to directly affect your system by running shit as root
[12:17] <larsrohdin> hard=fun
[12:17] <jdub> yaaar: strongly recommend using fakeroot instead.
[12:17] <randabis> lolz
[12:17] <bassinboy> bah!!! how do i switch to gdm?
[12:17] <jdub> larsrohdin: heh
[12:17] <HrdwrBoB> yaaar: what you need is to apt-get install build-essential
[12:17] <cwa2> jdub: sorry, I got disconnected, did you reply with anything?
[12:17] <jdub> bassinboy: switch to?
[12:18] <yaaar> kbrooks: look, despite appearances, i am not a n00b. i'm talking to you on my gentoo box here, this is just throwing me a curve. i've already enabled the root account, and i'm not scared.
[12:18] <jdub> cwa2: the line you pasted is not an error
[12:18] <HrdwrBoB> bassinboy: if it's running and you are in a console, alft+F7
[12:18] <kotau> anyone have the new ATI drivers working
[12:18] <bassinboy> jdub, HrdwrBoB, sorry, kdm is running by default
[12:18] <cwa2> jdub: any reason you can think of why my X/gdm isn't working anymore?
[12:18] <HrdwrBoB> yaaar: fakeroot is because it's not at all necessary to use the real root account
[12:19] <jdub> bassinboy: apt-get install gdm :)
[12:19] <jdub> cwa2: not without further information...
[12:19] <mojo_> cwa2: was it working before?  what did you change?
[12:19] <bassinboy> cwa2: because you installed a new kernel, but not the nvidia modules
[12:19] <mojo_> cwa2: I had problems with fonts that didn't install on my first upgrade from warty to hoary
[12:19] <yaaar> HrdwrBoB: good call on the build-essential. thanks
[12:20] <mbp_> does anyone know why xscreensaver randomly locks my screen on hoary?
[12:20] <cwa2> I did try to do some upgrades
[12:20] <mbp_> i suspect something to do with cpufreq scaling
[12:20] <melazyboy> wowow
[12:20] <melazyboy> not to shoot off topic -- well maybe a little, i just got a call from the company that i recently got fired from
[12:21] <bassinboy> cwa2 you have to get the restricted modules for your new kernel, THIS SHOULD BE IN THE TOPIC, because its a common problem when someone does "mark all upgrades"
[12:21] <melazyboy> aparently they found me a new job at a different company
[12:21] <cwa2> it started w/ trying to get gdesktop working, which required a python.h header file. it didn't seem to install correctly though. synaptic/apt complained about removing gnome-panel. it was working until I logged out. hasn't worked since
[12:21] <cwa2> I get the login screen w/o my background, and when I login, the screen hangs
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> melazyboy: wow, that's cool
[12:22] <mojo_> mealazboy: pretty cool.
[12:22] <cwa2> bassinboy: how do I get that topic. remember I don't have X anymore, or lynx installed
[12:22] <cwa2> is there an apt I can do?
[12:22] <mojo_> mojo: I suppose the reference is in the bag then, huh?  =D
[12:22] <jdub> cwa2: what cpu do you have?
[12:22] <melazyboy> Its like a lega way of transfering personel, fire them for something insignifficant like downloading the perl engine, after he increases productivity in the dept by 600% then call him back a week later and tell him your friend is starting a company and they want you.
[12:23] <jdub> melazyboy: best to take this elsewhere please
[12:23] <cwa2> jdub: ummm, how do I tell? 386? P3?
[12:23] <Petaris> Can anyone tell me how well amd64 is supported?
[12:23] <cwa2> it's a Dell Latitude CSx H500 laptop
[12:23] <bassinboy> cwa2:  you dont need to mess with the topic
[12:23] <jdub> cwa2: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:23] <mjr> Petaris, "works for me"
[12:23] <mojo_> cwa:  have you anything in /var/logs/XFree86.0.log or some such?
[12:23] <jdub> cwa2: what does the model name say?
[12:23] <mz2> jdub, why? i find this interesting
[12:23] <cwa2> Coppermine
[12:24] <Petaris> mjr: is it 64bit or 32bit
[12:24] <mojo_> cwa2: or perhaps /var/logs/gdm/*
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> mz2: stuff about ubuntu is ontopic here, if you want to chat, join #ubuntu-offtopic or another channel
[12:24] <Petaris> mjr: and how is multimedia support
[12:25] <bassinboy> cwa2: you just need to apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-x-x-x-x
[12:25] <Destructo> HrdwrBoB ok all that fixed. i used the cd to install stuff. how do i get my usb adapter to be seen ..?
[12:25] <tritium> Will Hoary's version number be 5.4?
[12:25] <s1x> lo all
[12:25] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: usb adapter to what
[12:25] <cwa2> it's kinda long, and I've lost the ability to paste
[12:25] <jdub> cwa2: ok, sudo apt-get install linux-686
[12:25] <mjr> Petaris, 64, most stuff works for me with totem-xine
[12:25] <akurashy> the sound driver isnt working :(
[12:25] <jdub> cwa2: that'll get all the related packages, etc.
[12:25] <akurashy> can someone help me
[12:25] <Destructo> HrdwrBoB its a wireless usb adapter
[12:26] <s1x> after updating to hoary nvidia died
[12:26] <mjr> (and a libdvdcss2 package which I got separately for dvds)
[12:26] <cwa2> jdub: thx
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: ah. what model?
[12:26] <jdub> s1x: cpu?
[12:26] <cwa2> bassinboy: thx also
[12:26] <s1x> did this happen to anyone elese?
[12:26] <s1x> amd xp
[12:26] <jdub> s1x: sudo apt-get install linux-k7
[12:26] <Petaris> mjr: ok, the reason I asked weather it was 64 or 32 is that some distros emulate a 32bit enviornment on the amd64
[12:26] <Destructo> HrdwrBoB aerolan 2011 it has atmel chip
[12:26] <theine> is there a way to view my current readline/inputrc settings?
[12:27] <mz2> HrdwrBoB, :)
[12:27] <akurashy> hello can someone tell me how to make work my nvidia sound :(
[12:27] <filem0n> hi, i have a problem whit the power on ubuntu
[12:27] <s1x> oh, and a big kudos to Ubuntu for making it so easy to develop on 2.9 platform, you've saved me alot of work! :D
[12:27] <theine> i.e. something equivalent to `xrdb -query'...
[12:27] <jdub> s1x: rock :-)
[12:27] <filem0n> i can 'poweroff' the system but i cannot 'reboot'
[12:28] <kbrooks> 2.9? is that the next linux kernel version of 3.0?
[12:28] <s1x> kbrooks: i meant gnome platform :)
[12:28] <cwa2> jdub: it complains about gnome-panel again
[12:28] <Destructo> HrdwrBoB http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Asante%20FriendlyNET%20AeroLAN%20AL%202011%20Network%20Adapter:1990733107
[12:28] <jdub> cwa2: you need to provide more info
[12:28] <Omoshiroi> hmm, for some reason my ati XF86Config file doesnt work.
[12:28] <cwa2> could I give you login access?
[12:29] <cwa2> I'm on console ALT+CTRL+Fx'ing between screens
[12:29] <jdub> er, no
[12:29] <jdub> you need to figure this out
[12:29] <cwa2> by the time I switch back, your answer is gone
[12:29] <Omoshiroi> lol
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: http://atmelwlandriver.sourceforge.net/news.html
[12:29] <Omoshiroi> cwa2, you 'could' but its best to learn how to fix things.
[12:30] <cwa2> I'm learning, but the curve is a bi**h!
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: if you get the right linux-headers you should be able to build and insert that module
[12:30] <akurashy> can someone help me about how to make work my nvidia sound :(
[12:31] <Destructo> HrdwrBoB nwell im using ndiswrapper .. installed the inf . now i need to get linux to see the usb adapoter
[12:31] <cwa2> gnome-panel Depends: libecal6 (> =1.0.2) but it is not going to be installed
[12:31] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: it will 'see' it as soon as you plug it in
[12:32] <cwa2> gnome-panel Depends: libdataserver3 (> =1.0.2) but it is not going to be installed
[12:32] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: check 'dmesg'
[12:32] <mojo_> cwa2: maybe try sudo apt-get remove gnome-panel followed by sudo apt-get install gnome-panel and see if that helps?
[12:32] <KeRnEl-PaNiC> Hi all
[12:32] <KeRnEl-PaNiC> is uhci.o PROVIDED with ubuntu distrib?
[12:32] <mojo_> cwa2: It sounds like your previous upgrade failed to do some work on gnome-panel
[12:32] <Omoshiroi> Destructo, having no network... getting ndiswrapper installed was a pita, but once it was there works like a charm ;)
[12:33] <cwa2> mojo: now it complains about gnome-applets
[12:33] <cwa2> gnome-data-panel
[12:33] <KeRnEl-PaNiC> cwa2 Hi
[12:33] <cwa2> and ubuntu-desktop
[12:33] <mojo_> cwa2 did you re-install the gnome-panel after you removed it?
[12:33] <Destructo> how do you unmodprobe ..?
[12:33] <alex_> is it possible to get networkmanager to run under debian
[12:33] <JamesDotCom> rmmod
[12:33] <tritium> Delgul_at_work, modprobe -r
[12:33] <cwa2> KeRnEl-PaNiC: hi
[12:33] <im_ka> hi
[12:34] <KeRnEl-PaNiC> is uhci module provided with ubuntu?
[12:34] <im_ka> is there an app with which i can limit bandwith on a specific port?
[12:34] <cwa2> mojo: I haven't been able to remove it yet
[12:34] <adapt> oi
[12:34] <cwa2> I think gdesklets or something tried to mess w/ it
[12:34] <tritium> KeRnEl-PaNiC, definitely
[12:35] <adapt> anyone running cs:source at a reasonable frame rate?
[12:35] <mojo_> cwa2: you can do "sudo apt-get remove gnome-panel" and when it's done, immediately do "sudo apt-get install gnome-panel".
[12:35] <KeRnEl-PaNiC> tritium thanks for ur attention...but why when i modprobe uhci i got -->fatal error : uhci  module not found
[12:36] <cwa2> mojo: it errors on the remove, complains about gnome-applets, gnome-panel-data, and ubuntu-desktop
[12:36] <Destructo> i have lo , eth0 and sit0  no wlan0
[12:36] <cwa2> mojo: should I try to remove all those also?
[12:36] <mojo_> cwa2: It sounds like your problem started while running some update or install in Synaptic Package Manager, right?  If it failed because of problems upgrading the gnome-panel, this may help.  Apt-get is, of course, the command-line package management
[12:36] <HrdwrBoB> Destructo: ifconfig -a
[12:36] <cwa2> mojo: correct, it started after Synaptic
[12:37] <Destructo> HrdwrBoB yeah thats what i ran
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[12:37] <mojo_> cwa2: maybe apt-get reinstall gnome-panel.  I am not sure if "reinstall" is a valid argument, but it may work...
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> is ndswrapper loaded?
[12:37] <tritium> KeRnEl-PaNiC, it's called uhci-hcd
[12:37] <Destructo> yep
[12:37] <KeRnEl-PaNiC> Someone here using SPEEDTOUCH ALCATEL 330 usb
[12:37] <mojo_> cwa2: nope, "reinstall" won't work...
[12:38] <KeRnEl-PaNiC> tritium mmmmmmmm THANK u , so i was wrong... THANKS DUDE
[12:38] <tritium> Too many people here at this conference.  There's probably 500 people sharing the bandwidth.
[12:38] <tritium> KeRnEl-PaNiC, no problem.
[12:38] <sladen> tritium: confernce?
[12:38] <Omoshiroi> has anyone setup the ati fglrxconfig for an ati 9600 AIW pro before?
[12:38] <mojo_> cwa2: what package were you originally trying to install or upgrade with Synaptic? Do you know?
[12:38] <cwa2> mojo: I see, I tried upgrade also, but it complains about libecal6 and libdataserver again
[12:38] <Destructo> HrdwrBoB i see my usb and ndiswrapper in dmesg
[12:38] <Destructo> should i reboot ..?
[12:38] <cwa2> mojo: gdesklets (I believe)
[12:38] <mojo_> cwa2: or was it, maybe, a whole bunch of them you were doing at once?
[12:38] <Destructo> in slackware i used dhcpcd -d wlan0
[12:38] <cwa2> mojo: it ended up being a whole bunch at once
[12:39] <sladen> mojo_: just  apt-get install gnome-panel
[12:39] <cwa2> mojo: is there a log of synaptic activity
[12:39] <mojo_> cwa2: maybe, since you're NOT running GNOME right now, you can use apt-get to install gdesklets from the command line.  It may be able to complete from the command line
[12:39] <KeRnEl-PaNiC> Guys nobody using an ALCATEL SPEEDTOUCH 330 ?
[12:39] <tritium> sladen, Electronic Imaging in San Jose
[12:39] <tritium> sladen, are you here too?
[12:39] <s1x> KeRnEl-PaNiC: i am
[12:39] <mojo_> cwa: try...  sudo apt-get install gdesklets
[12:40] <sladen> tritium: nope, sat in London
[12:40] <tritium> sladen, Oh, okay.
[12:40] <cwa2> is there a way to slow down or scroll irc traffic in irssi?
[12:40] <mojo_> sladen: that may just work.
[12:40] <tritium> See you later.
[12:40] <sladen> KeRnEl-PaNiC: is this the one provided by BT?
[12:40] <s1x> btw folks, wasn't supposed hoary to include x.org? if so how do i change it?
[12:40] <sri|work> s1x, it should upgrade automagically..
[12:41] <sladen> cwa2: it depends on what IRC client you are using
[12:41] <cwa2> sladen: irssi
[12:41] <s1x> sri|work: it's will using xfree
[12:41] <sladen> s1x: yes, Hoary dev has xorg.  Do   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[12:42] <cwa2> I wish there was a way to pipe the error messages I get into here, going back and forth from console to console is the pits!
[12:42] <sladen> cwa2: copy and paste?
[12:42] <cwa2> I'm on a console, switching between F1 & F2
[12:42] <sladen> cwa2: ah.   'screen'
[12:43] <s1x> sladen: hmmm i've done that... but i think i have both installed
[12:43] <s1x> sladen: should i remove one of them?
[12:43] <mojo_> sladen: cwa2 can't log in to GNOME... it fails to load for him.
[12:43] <sladen> s1x: sudo apt-get --purge install xserver-xorg xserver-xfree-  (note minus on end)
[12:43] <Omoshiroi> I am doing the ATI driver setup, do I want to initialize xfree86-dga?
[12:43] <popey> cwa2, doesn't your mouse work in the console? you can copy and paste with that..
[12:44] <sladen> Omoshiroi: leave it as the default (which is probably yes)
[12:44] <s1x> sladen: great, will nvidia still work with xorg?
[12:44] <Omoshiroi> sladen default is no, which is why I am asking.
[12:44] <cwa2> can't even select txt
[12:44] <popey> does the mouse work tho?
[12:44] <sladen> Omoshiroi: some things like Quake like to use it for Mouse input
[12:44] <Destructo> Omoshiroi how did you get the device to start
[12:45] <s1x> sladen: it says there's a package conflict between xorg and xfree
[12:45] <Omoshiroi> destructo I am using the ubuntu stuff right now.
[12:45] <mojo_> sladen: I believe that cwa2 is getting the x server up.  CW1: You get the graphic login screen, right?  It fails when you try to go ahead and fire up the desktop environment, if I understand you correctly...
[12:45] <Destructo> Omoshiroi yeah i knopw
[12:45] <sobralense> ... blackbox package for ubuntu (I'm on hoary) could be with a menu and default themes =P
[12:45] <sladen> s1x: did you miss the '-' off the end of the xfree one  (which means remove it)
[12:45] <akurashy> now can anyone help me how to install nvidia sound driver
[12:45] <akurashy> plz
[12:45] <sobralense> s/could be/could come
[12:45] <cwa2> I get the screen, but right now, I'm using the console to get on the irc w/ irssi
[12:46] <mebaran> I have been having major problems with evolution on AMD64
[12:46] <mojo_> cw2: have you tried sudo apt-get install gdesklets yet?
[12:46] <cwa2> I'm still going thru apt-get -f
[12:47] <s1x> sladen: i did this sudo apt-get --purge install xserver-xorg xserver-xfree86
[12:47] <Omoshiroi> brb, going to see if this X setup worked.
[12:48] <mojo_> cw2: apt-get -f what?  the -f just means to continue past integrity check failures
[12:48] <s1x> sladen: what should i do?
[12:49] <cwa2> mojo: it's running right now, I can't get the exact cmd
[12:49] <mojo_> cwa2: okay we'll wait...
[12:50] <Destructo> damn does ubuntu have a networking tool /.
[12:50] <Destructo> to add a device
[12:50] <mojo_> cwa2: i feel for ya being on console with no google-ability.
[12:50] <mojo_> cwa2: when I upgraded to hoary my xfonts didn't install, and it was a pain figuring that out
[12:52] <cwa2> I've seen an error about X-fonts in /var/log/gdm
[12:52] <cwa2> mojo: something about font renderer registered at priority 0
[12:52] <mebaran> Evolution will not import contacts
[12:53] <mebaran> delete addressbooks
[12:53] <mebaran> or open my old contact file
[12:53] <mojo_> cw2: but you get to the graphic login screen, which is further than I was getting with my problem.  I don't think it's the same issue.
[12:53] <mebaran> email seems to working
[12:53] <cwa2> ^X
[12:53] <sladen> s1x: you missed the '-'  off the end!
[12:53] <mojo_> cw2: lets wait until your apt-get command finishes and take it from there...
[12:53] <sladen> s1x: xserver-xfree-
[12:53] <sladen> s1x:           ^^^^
[12:53] <s1x> sladen: it's done already
[12:54] <s1x> sladen: sudo apt-get --purge install xserver-xorg
[12:54] <sladen> s1x: yup
[12:54] <s1x> i'm going to test it
[12:54] <cwa2> mojo: I wonder what made my background disappear. that's what made me think it was .gconf
[12:54] <s1x> thank you #ubuntu :)
[12:54] <s1x> bt
[12:54] <s1x> btw, will i need to run nvidia-glx-config?
[12:55] <s1x> bye all
[12:55] <mojo_> cwa2: gconf is for management of session settings, so it may just not be getting far enough to load the background before choking on the gnome-panel failure
[12:56] <mazzabr> ok. need some help here.
[12:56] <mazzabr> although I have already done this with slackware. I can't figure out what is wrong. :o/
[12:56] <mazzabr> I need to dd a cd-rom at hdc. but I can't.
[12:57] <mazzabr> I'm able to mount hdc. but I'm unable to dd it.
[12:57] <mazzabr> i'm trying this:
[12:57] <mazzabr> # dd bs=1024 if=/dev/hdc of=lp.iso
[12:57] <mazzabr> the answer.
[12:57] <mazzabr> dd: reading `/dev/hdc': Input/output error
[12:57] <mazzabr> 0+0 records in
[12:57] <mazzabr> 0+0 records out
[12:57] <mazzabr> 0 bytes transferred in 0.035016 seconds (0 bytes/sec)
[12:58] <popey> you haven't said how many blocks..
[12:58] <popey> you've said block size
[12:58] <popey> but not how many
[12:58] <popey> ah, hang on, /ignore me
[12:58] <mazzabr> popey, : ok, but how can I discovery how many blocks.
[12:58] <popey> nah, I'm wrong
[12:58] <popey> can you mount the cd?
[12:59] <mazzabr> popey, : yes, I can mount the CD.
[12:59] <kent> mazzabr, is it scratched or something? or have an audio-track ?
[12:59] <popey> i dont use dd for making iso, I use mkisofs..
[01:00] <mazzabr> kent, It's a multi-session. audio + multimedia.
[01:00] <mazzabr> acording to CD-Writing HOW-TO this should work:
[01:00] <mazzabr>  dd if=/dev/scd0 of=cdimage
[01:00] <ZzeCoOl> i wanna ask if anyone know how to eneble 3d now support at ubuntu
[01:00] <mazzabr> but it doesn't.
[01:00] <kent> mazzabr, i might be wrong, but i have a memory of not beeing able to use "dd" on audio-cd's. Perhaps try with a pure data and a pure audio, and see if dd have problems with audio-tracks?
[01:01] <mjr> dd can't read audio tracks
[01:01] <mjr> it's not that simple
[01:01] <mazzabr> kent, : I always do this with pure data. I'll verify with pure audio.
[01:01] <mjr> use cdparanoia for that
[01:01] <|blk|> hi im trying to install links-graphics on ubuntu - i did 'apt-get install links' but links -g doesn't work. should i be looking for another package?
[01:01] <mazzabr> mjr : how can I duplicate an audio CD?
[01:01] <kent> mazzabr, mjr say it has problems with the audio-track,  so..  do as he says :)
[01:02] <mazzabr> mjr, : does cdparanoia rips the CD?
[01:02] <Destructo> im getting errors  modprobe fatal errors in hotplug
[01:02] <Destructo> bbl
[01:02] <mjr> mazzabr, manually it goes thusly: use cdparanoia to rip the tracks into wavs, then use cdrecord to write said wavs into an audio cd
[01:02] <mjr> (it can do that by itself)
[01:02] <mazzabr> mjr, : no way. it's Jay-Z vs LinkinPark CD.
[01:03] <mazzabr> mjr, : linux is not able even to play it.
[01:03] <cwa2> can I get a copy? ;)
[01:03] <mjr> mazzabr, oh, you mean that it's not a CD, then
[01:03] <mazzabr> cwa2, actually IS a copy. I want to make another copy.
[01:03] <mojo_> how ya doin there cwa2?
[01:03] <mjr> anyway, ripping it might be possible even if playing it isn't
[01:03] <cwa2> mojo: OK, it's finished
[01:04] <mazzabr> mjr, : probably not a CDDA. Although the CDDA logo is at the box.
[01:04] <mojo_> cwa2: okay.  have you tried the graphic login again?
[01:04] <cwa2> mojo: I ran an apt-get -f upgrade gnome-panel
[01:04] <mojo_> cwa2: cool... test it out...
[01:04] <mazzabr> the point is that I have a copy. (here in Brazil we buy copies openly on the streets)
[01:05] <cwa2> mojo: then it ran through a bunch of pkgs I tried before, ends w/ an error on (guess what?) libecal & libdataserver again!
[01:05] <nictuku> mazzabr: #ubuntu-br
[01:05] <mazzabr> nictuku, no need to this. I'll also try to talk to them.
[01:05] <nictuku> (tou tentando achar gente pra montar uma comunidade)
[01:05] <cwa2> mojo: in the /var/cache/apt/archives/
[01:05] <mazzabr> nictuku, : can count on me too.
[01:05] <nictuku> nah. you won't find any help there hehe
[01:06] <mojo_> cwa2: you mean that login gives libecal & libdataserver erros or that the apt-get upgrade command ended with errors there?
[01:06] <mazzabr> nictuku, : do you already have a mailing list?
[01:06] <cwa2> mojo: E: subprocess /usr/bin/dpkg/ returned an error code (1)
[01:07] <nictuku> no, I'm alone, so there is no point asking them to make one ATM.
[01:07] <cwa2> mojo: the apt-get upgrade returns those errors (after going through everything else, the last one being replacing base-passwd
[01:07] <s1x> lo all
[01:07] <nictuku> my first task is translate the ubuntuguide
[01:07] <s1x> nvidia is still dead, but the log displays no errors
[01:08] <mazzabr> nictuku, ask for a list to him: kiko@async.com.br
[01:08] <omoshiroi> hmm, the config file of the fglrxconfig program seems odd compared to a normal xf86config file...
[01:08] <s1x> and  cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status says disabled
[01:08] <mazzabr> nictuku, : async is the first company supporting Ubuntu Linux in brazil.
[01:08] <cwa2> mojo: after all that I get an email about reiserfs being upgraded also
[01:08] <s1x> anyone knows how to work around nvidia not working on hoary?
[01:08] <nictuku> how could you be so sure about that?
[01:08] <nictuku> :)
[01:08] <s1x> at least with the bundled drivers
[01:09] <nictuku> the company I was working for until the end of the year supportED ubuntu too
[01:09] <mazzabr> nictuku, : I know kiko.
[01:09] <mazzabr> nictuku, : which?
[01:09] <mojo_> cw2: libecal is the client library for calendars in Evolution.  I don't know what libdataservere is
[01:09] <akurashy> now can anyone help me how to install nvidia sound driver
[01:09] <scoon> s1x, i run hoary and just use the .run from nvidia.com
[01:10] <nictuku> lynx informatica, www.lynx.com.br, but you won't find anything about ubuntu there
[01:10] <s1x> scoon: yes, that's what i'm going to do
[01:10] <cwa2> mojo: login screen still returns nothing after logging in, I am able to move the mouse around however, but just over a blank brown screen
[01:10] <mazzabr> nictuku, : take a look: www.async.com.br
[01:10] <mazzabr> nictuku, : kiko is a mozilla key developer
[01:11] <scoon> s1x, i tried to get the deb's working but I had no luck.  It was just easier for me to use the .run
[01:11] <nictuku> hmm
[01:12] <mojo_> cwa2: I am not sure what you had it doing that would need it to touch base-passwd.  That would try to reinstall the default /etc/passwd and /etc/group files... which, of course, it should not be doing here...!!!
[01:13] <s1x> scoon: thx for the tip :)
[01:13] <mojo_> cwa2 you there?
[01:13] <cwa2> mojo: is there a way to backup whatever pkg list it's trying to go through, then do a clean reinstall?
[01:13] <scoon> s1x, np.  i wish i could use the deb's but they are just a PITA
[01:13] <s1x> scoon: yeah, it's a pitty :(
[01:13] <mojo_> cwa2: I am not sure about the backup pkg list but you can try this....
[01:14] <s1x> migration from xfree to xorg was flawless, very imprssive!
[01:14] <mojo_> cwa2: sudo apt-get clean  ((this will clean the archive of downloaded packages))
[01:14] <omoshiroi> Could the issue with the ATI drivers be that I am telling it to run in compatible operation mode?
[01:14] <mojo_> cwa2: sudo apt-get update  ((this will update the local list of packages against your download sources))
[01:14] <cwa2> mojo: done
[01:15] <omoshiroi> since I am going to be running WineX and such I thought that might be the thing to do, but it doesnt seem to be working properly.
[01:15] <mojo_> cwa2: sudo apt-get upgrade ((this will upgrade all your installed packages to current))
[01:15] <mojo_> cwa2: that last one may take a while.... just to warn you....
[01:15] <cwa2> mojo: unmet deps: libecal & libdataserver again :(
[01:16] <bj_> gcursor works, just you all know
[01:16] <shorty114> what does it mean when this happens when i do sudo apt-get upgrade:
[01:16] <shorty114> The following packages have been kept back:
[01:16] <shorty114>   linux-image-2.6-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6-386
[01:16] <shampoo> Hi everyone
[01:16] <cwa2> mojo: on gnome-panel again
[01:16] <mojo_> cwa2: the sudo apt-get upgrade command gives that error????
[01:16] <shampoo> how can I setup multiple WEP keys for multiple access points ?
[01:16] <cwa2> mojo: yep
[01:17] <shorty114> also, how would i change from GNOME to fluxbox?
[01:17] <mojo_> cw2: okay well try sudo apt-get install libecal and tell me if it succeeds or fails
[01:20] <cwa2> mojo: that complained about libedataserver3
[01:20] <mojo_> cwa2: hang on....
[01:20] <balt> hello everyone, i'm having a hart time trying to config my soundcard
[01:20] <cwa2> mojo: so then running install of libedataserver3 complains about gnome-panel and libecal6
[01:21] <cwa2> mojo: I wish there was a way to get the full error msg to you
[01:25] <shorty114> anyone?
[01:25] <balt> yes
[01:25] <shorty114> how would i switch from GNOME to fluxbox?
[01:25] <nictuku> does the author of the ubuntuguide come here often?
[01:25] <nictuku> shorty114: do you use gdm?
[01:26] <shorty114> i use the default one that comes w/ ubnuntu, which i believe is Gnome display manager...
[01:26] <mojo_> cw2: okay that is still stuff for evolution... heh... i wonder whats up with that...  just try sudo apt-get install libedataserver1.2-0 and tell me what that does
[01:28] <mojo_> cwa2: I used to do telephone support for a pharmacy software company when i got my start in tech support... i can cope with limited communications...
[01:28] <omoshiroi> would anyone be able to help me with a ATI driver install, fglrxconfig works, but once I get passed the config it wont load into X, anyone have any ideas of why this may be?
[01:29] <djtansey> has anyone installed beagle here in warty. preferably from some apt source?
[01:29] <omoshiroi> I am using warty btw.
[01:29] <cwa2> mojo: I used to do suppt. for Network Appliance, Legato & Sun...
[01:29] <cwa2> mojo: look at me now...
[01:29] <omoshiroi> I did support for comcast cable over the summer lol
[01:29] <mojo_> look at you now?
[01:29] <mojo_> cw2: oh... LOL forgot to read back.  Yeah, well... whatcha gonna do?
[01:30] <cwa2> mojo: can't get my own machine up. but then again I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A JOB IN THE PAST 5 YRS.
[01:30] <mojo_> cw2: I am not a linux expert either... but I believe in good karma, ya know?
[01:30] <cwa2> mojo: there are errors unpacking the pkgs
[01:31] <mojo_> cwa2: hmmm...  i wonder... what are your sources for apt?  lemme see where the file is...
[01:31] <cwa2> from trying apt-get -f install gnome-panel
[01:32] <nictuku> is there a gnome- alternative to babelfish? I'm on a dialup, it would take a lot of time to get all required libs, I guess.
[01:32] <nictuku> argh wrong channel hehe
[01:32] <mojo_> cw2: maybe look at your /etc/apt/sources.list and see if there is anything in there that does NOT say ubuntu....
[01:32] <sri|work> anybody know when the new tomboy is going to be put in hoary?
[01:32] <jdub> sri|work: erm, it is
[01:32] <cwa2> cwa2: yeah, there are
[01:33] <mojo_> cwa2: you any good with a command-line editor in linux?
[01:33] <jdub> sri|work: that's what's in hoary ;)
[01:33] <jdub> i'll ask tseng about doing a new version
[01:34] <sri|work> jdub, yeah, alex just released 0.3.0 today
[01:34] <mojo_> cwa2: cd to /etc/apt and sudo cp sources.list sources.list.backup so that you can recover from a goof-up.  Then fire up an editor and comment out the non-ubuntu sources with a hash mark (#).
[01:34] <mojo_> cwa2: after you do that, do the sudo apt-get clean and sudo apt-get update so that your download cache is emptied and you re-build the package list from the ubuntu-only sources.
[01:35] <sri|work> aha, an unofficial debian package..
[01:35] <sri|work> woo
[01:35] <sri|work>  http://luca.pca.it/debian/
[01:35] <cwa2> mojo: sounds like a winner
[01:35] <mojo_> cwa2: what we likely have here is a mismach with incompatible packages in a non-ubuntu source.
[01:35] <mojo_> cwa2: well the roller coaster is goin up and i can feel the excitement... let's hold our breath and see though...
[01:36] <cwa2> mojo: but i wonder if I can stop evolution, that may be why it has problems unpacking. It mentions a broken pipe
[01:36] <cwa2> mojo: ps-ef doesn't show evolution though, what's the process?
[01:36] <robertj> what is video mode SIF
[01:36] <mojo_> cwa2: broken pipe??  i don't know... let's just work on a clean sources.list and see if we can get your installation stable
[01:37] <cwa2> mojo: ok
[01:38] <cwa2> mojo: should I remove universe repsoitories?
[01:38] <cwa2> repositories, rather
[01:40] <mojo_> cwa2: that is a possibility, since they are pretty much duped straight from debian as I understand.  There were other things in there non-ubuntu though that you got rid of, right?
[01:40] <mojo_> cwa2: it's up to you .  The universe repositories are a possibility. But I have had no problems and most those evolution packages are installed on my system (not that I even use evolution, heh)
[01:41] <mojo_> cwa2: if you had other non-ubuntu ones in there i would suspect them first.
[01:41] <pe7er> hey, i'm wondering... is there any option to hide the mouse cursor when i'm using the keyboard? my os x does that and i've come to find it rather distracting to use the mouse only to move its cursor out of the way while i'm reading something. don't get me wrong, i like mice, i just want to hide the cursor when i'm using the keyboard...
[01:42] <mbp_> pe7er, try the 'unclutter' program
[01:42] <cwa2> mojo: OK, we might be getting somewhere. I got this after apt-get -f install: The following packages will be removed: gnome-applets gnome-applets-data gnome-panel gnome-panel-data ubuntu-desktop
[01:42] <mbp_> it is not built in to gnome yet (though i wish it was)
[01:43] <cwa2> mojo: it comes to a continue prompt, which I haven't continued yet
[01:43] <pe7er> mdp_: thanks, i'll give it a look
[01:44] <mojo_> cwa2: what was the rest of the command line?
[01:44] <cwa2> mojo: you mean "apt-get -f install"? that was it
[01:45] <pe7er> *mbp_
[01:45] <mojo_> cwa2: stop that command
[01:45] <cwa2> mojo: aborted
[01:45] <mojo_> cwa2: first, do "sudo apt-get clean" to remove your cached packages.
[01:45] <cwa2> mojo: did that 1 1st already, then apt-get update
[01:46] <cwa2> mojo: then apt-get upgrade
[01:46] <mojo_> cwa2: second, do "sudo apt-get update" to update your package list from the now-edited list of ubuntu-only repositories
[01:46] <AndyR> nn ppl
[01:46] <mojo_> cwa2: okay... so apt-get upgrade... did it run through fine?
[01:46] <cwa2> mojo: which errored and recommended the apt-get -f install
[01:47] <mojo_> okay I am unfamiliar with doing apt-get -f install.  You did it with sudo, right?
[01:48] <mbp_> mojo_, yes
[01:48] <pe7er> er. and any idea how i can fix a broken python installation? i felt a little too adventerous, was desperate to fix a problem (was hardware caused, not software, though) and ... don't flame me no please .. mixed up hoary/warty repositories, now everything is in place again except that basic python2.3 package
[01:48] <cwa2> mojo: apt-get upgrade complains about gnome-panel depending upon libecal6 & libedataserver3 having unment dependencies, try using -f
[01:48] <mojo_> cw2: what was the problem that that the apt-get upgrade had when it recommended the other command?
[01:48] <pe7er> *now
[01:51] <mojo_> cwa2: okay... now try sudo apt-get install libecal then if that works, do the sudo apt-get install libedataserver1.2-0
[01:52] <cwa2> mojo: say libecal6 is unavailable, but it is referred to by another package
[01:52] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[01:52] <tfh> lo, i'm having trouble editing the menu how should i do that ?
[01:53] <cwa2> mojo: I think it's not in those repos
[01:54] <mojo_> cwa2: did you leave the universe repositories in or out?
[01:55] <cwa2> mojo: unis are in
[01:56] <mojo_> cwa2: libecal6...  it looks like my stuff is all 1.2 stuff
[01:56] <mojo_> cw2: if you switch to the other screen and up-arrow to go through your command history, what was the command you ran that wanted to remove gnome-panel and all?
[01:57] <mojo_> cw2: you remember?
[01:57] <mojo_> cw2: it was right after you edited the sources.list file.
[01:57] <pe7er> tfh: nautilus applications:///
[01:58] <pe7er> tfh: just like... windows... start menu, most stuff is there
[01:58] <tfh> pe7er, i tried it but whenever i tried creating a new launcher nothing was created is there any permissions on those files ?
[01:58] <pe7er> tfh: sure, but they should be in place. do not sudo for that
[01:59] <cwa2> mojo: apt-get -f upgrade
[02:00] <mojo_> cwa2: okay try it again, but let it remove stuff.  Just keep a list of what it may remove.
[02:00] <tfh> pe7er, doesn't ubuntu autoadd icons when u install an app ?
[02:01] <mojo_> cwa2: I have a feeling it will remove them only to re-install them afterwords
[02:01] <cwa2> mojo: for gnome-panel* it's deferring scrollkeeper... I missed it
[02:01] <JConnell> Is there a way to take a screenshot of only the active window in gnome?
[02:02] <JConnell> And not the whole screen
[02:02] <shorty114> *cough* gimp *cough* ;)
[02:02] <JConnell> Thats what I'm doing know, but trying to avoid :D
[02:02] <JConnell> now*
[02:02] <pe7er> tfh: most of the time, not always. some packages don't come with menu settings
[02:03] <mebaran> Anybody here having major problems with their Evolution Contacts
[02:04] <mebaran> as in it wont load any vcards or addressbooks
[02:04] <mebaran> or let me delete my old address books
[02:05] <pe7er> tfh: this applies to the universe repository for example, if not most specifically
[02:05] <froust> When I'm upgrading from warty to hoary, is there anything I should look out for?
[02:06] <tfh> pe7er, ok thanks, i'm trying to add an icon for psi and remove gaim
[02:06] <tfh> if i remove game i remove ubuntu-desktop, is that package necessary , what does it do ?
[02:07] <pe7er> froust: upgrading should be painless, but think twice, you can't go back
[02:07] <pe7er> (or it takes a hell lot of a work)
[02:07] <froust> Gotcha
[02:07] <cutterjohn> (heh heh)
[02:07] <cwa2> mojo: OK, now I have a debian login instead of Ubuntu
[02:08] <cutterjohn> Is there any sort of minimal path to go from warty to hoary? (dialup)
[02:08] <mojo_> cwa2: okay debian login screen in x?
[02:08] <pe7er> tfh: did you make it?
[02:08] <cutterjohn> (i.e. and still have a mostly working system)
[02:08] <omoshiroi> gotta love X crashing on you lol
[02:09] <cwa2> mojo: GOAL!!!!!
[02:09] <geppy> Since I've started using Ubuntu, I've had Firefox crash pretty often whenever I'm viewing a page on xanga.com.  As much as I despise Xanga, lots of my friends put pictures and such up on it, so I'm compelled to check them frequently.  Any suggestions?
[02:09] <mojo_> cwa2:  awesome.!  So you can log in to the desktop?
[02:09] <cwa2> mojo: it works!
[02:09] <tfh> pe7er, no i didn't remove gaim becquse i didn't know about ubuntu-desktop
[02:09] <mebaran> tfh: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package
[02:09] <mebaran> it is used to makes sure all the desktop stuff gets installed
[02:10] <cwa2> mojo: I wish I could send you a case
[02:10] <pe7er> yeah, it's scary when synaptic tells you it removes ubuntu-desktop
[02:10] <cwa2> mojo: you're n the Sili Valley?
[02:10] <tfh> mebaran, ok so if it uninstalls itself because of dependencies it's not too bad
[02:10] <mojo_> cwa2: a case?
[02:10] <cutterjohn> mebaran: so everything that is referenced by the meta-package, will also want to remove that meta package when they are removed?
[02:10] <cwa2> mojo: of beer or something
[02:10] <geppy> cutterjohn: Right.
[02:10] <mojo_> cwa2:  I live in IL near STL... but anyway I don't want anything...
[02:11] <cutterjohn> geppy: thx. handy to know, as I'm not at all familiar with apt.
[02:11] <cwa2> mojo: I have a brother in STL, THANKS though
[02:11] <geppy> cutterjohn:  You're most welcome.  =)
[02:11] <omoshiroi> hmm, cedega REALLY doesnt like being run in windowed mode...
[02:11] <mojo_> cwa2: I say it all balances out with the universe somehow.  You feel grateful, keep it in mind when you're in a position to help someone else.  That's thanks enough for me
[02:11] <cwa2> mojo: I wasn't to tears yet, but my shoulders are very bunched up
[02:11] <geppy> omoshiroi:  Cedega doesn't like Ubuntu, as far as I've noted.
[02:12] <cutterjohn> on a related note, I saw a page regarding debian binary deltas? has this ever been really implemented? is it likely for ubuntu if it has?
[02:12] <omoshiroi> to the point where it is lagging my entire computer and I cant log into Wow to put it back to fulslcreen.
[02:12] <geppy> Yes, you can isntall debian binaries.
[02:12] <tfh> just tried to upgrade from warty to hoary it crashed on gimp2
[02:12] <geppy> Any ideas on the xanga crashing firefox situation?  I've been wondering if it has to do with how many xangas use a hackish approach to play mp3s.
[02:12] <cwa2> I wonder if the ubuntu-desktop provides any extra functionality?
[02:13] <geppy> tfh:  I just put the hoary repo's in my sources.list, and did apt-get upgrade;  no problems.
[02:13] <geppy> cwa2:  No.
[02:13] <mojo_> cwa2: Well I am happy for you... Trust me, I know the feeling.  I was stuck w/a console for a couple days once myself.  And I'm pretty new to linux.
[02:13] <mebaran> haha
[02:13] <mebaran> mojo_: me too
[02:13] <mebaran> I entered before they fixed gnome panel
[02:13] <cwa2> I must get lynx now though
[02:13] <mebaran> I got very good at Bash
[02:13] <mebaran> command line AIM and ICQ is doable through naim
[02:13] <cutterjohn> or links if its in the repo...
[02:13] <mebaran> Naim is a very good program
[02:13] <mebaran> who would have though
[02:13] <mebaran> t
[02:14] <pe7er> tfh: hell no. listen to someone who burned his fingers. don't upgrade to hoary unless you have a specific reason. take a look a at ubuntu-bp.sf.net instead and add its repositories. will keep you in a happier condition.
[02:14] <geppy> pe7er:  Agreed, but gnome 2.8.10 is _pretty_
[02:14] <mojo_> cw2: LOL - yes, a text browser.... that would come in handy
[02:14] <mebaran> geppy: I agree
[02:14] <randabis-laptop> gnome 2.10 is gonna rock
[02:14] <cutterjohn> mojo_: almost always use the for docs...
[02:14] <mebaran> sometimes testing bugs makes you feel useful
[02:14] <geppy> randabis:  Much agreed!
[02:14] <mebaran> i enjoy being a tester
[02:15] <keyshawn> hi. I'm scared, confused - my ubuntu crashed for the 1st time ! What logs can I look into to see what happened ?
[02:15] <cutterjohn> (so, I really missed no lynx or links...)
[02:15] <geppy> mebaran:  As do I.  =D
[02:15] <randabis-laptop> I'll keep xfce for this laptop
[02:15] <mojo_> cutterjohn: "the for docs"?
[02:15] <geppy> keyshawn:  How did it crash?  Did it freeze?  Did X die?  Did you get "AAEEE!!!!!" from the kernel?
[02:15] <mebaran> xfce rocks
[02:15] <randabis-laptop> 2.9.4 is running very well on the main box though
[02:15] <pe7er> keyshan /var/log/syslog
[02:15] <cutterjohn> mojo_: textual html browsers
[02:15] <mebaran> more then all the others together
[02:15] <keyshawn> what happened was the screen blinked.
[02:15] <mebaran> well at least I like it
[02:16] <geppy> Are the Ubuntu backports reasonably stable?
[02:16] <keyshawn> and then the screen came back up with all of the graphics coming up as 'smirred' like
[02:16] <mojo_> cutterjohn: OIC.  Yes... I guess I never played with any textual browsers yet.
[02:16] <geppy> And, more importantly, are they open to submissions?
[02:16] <JConnell> Very stable geppy
[02:16] <omoshiroi> geppyy wh ydo oyu sa ycedega doesnt like  ubuntu?
[02:16] <skreet_> Could someone recommend a good KDE based Debian based OS? Ubuntu with KDE = lots of root issues.
[02:16] <cutterjohn> mojo_: text based browsers like links or lynx are just too painful for general web use any more...
[02:16] <geppy> JConnell:  Thanks.  =)
[02:16] <pe7er> keyshawn: also you can always load an app from the terminal and watch its debug output
[02:16] <omoshiroi> rofl thats how much its lagging me!
[02:16] <cwa2> well I do see 1 + for having the ubuntu-desktop- menus
[02:17] <cwa2> no panel
[02:17] <mojo_> skreet_: Lots of ppl seem to like MEPIS... There is also a Kubuntu, as they call it, being worked on.
[02:17] <keyshawn> pe7er, I Know that, though im not sure how that will help in this situation...
[02:17] <geppy> skreet:  Try one of the commercial alternatives.  There are tons of fantastic commercial Debian-based KDE distros.
[02:17] <mojo_> screet: but I don't know much about kubuntu
[02:17] <randabis-laptop> skreet mepis
[02:17] <pe7er> keyshawn: you're propably right
[02:17] <skreet_> Okay I"ll check those options out, thanks guys
[02:17] <pe7er> keyshawn: what did you run?
[02:17] <geppy> skreet:  Linspire, ermm.... can't think of the other names... but they're pretty nice.  I would use them, if it weren't for the whole "I don't like KDE" thing.
[02:17] <cutterjohn> btw: if anyone is interested I did get monodevelop up and going: one when the authors say to use ./configure --prefix=/usr they mean it, and two it is still a little flakey(warty/1.0.1-whatever is in the repo mono)
[02:17] <keyshawn> programs @ the time ? gaim, open office, and firefox
[02:17] <skreet_> I thought I had /home mounted to a different partition :( I just realized I didnt now I'm goin gto cry
[02:18] <randabis-laptop> aww
[02:18] <randabis-laptop> I did that before by accident too
[02:18] <randabis-laptop> luckily I have two drives in the main box
[02:18] <geppy> skreet:  Ouch!  My most heartfelt condolences!  I've done the same... =/
[02:18] <mojo_> cwa2: you may still have to install some ubuntu stuff like ubuntu-desktop yet.  Maybe you should do that from command line while NOT logged in the X/GDM though... =D
[02:19] <pe7er> keyshawn: i faced *lots* of troubles because my overly sensible a7v-133 played tricks on me, i'd check for some hardware based issues first. gaim, ooo and firefox /shouldn't/ cause such troubles.
[02:19] <cutterjohn> (or the X server? :)
[02:19] <keyshawn> ahh...
[02:19] <keyshawn> thanks for the info.
[02:20] <keyshawn> [i haven't had any probs with hardware at all thus far]  [i've had ubuntu installed for a week] 
[02:21] <cutterjohn> (oddly enough, I've NEVER had hardware related problems on any of my linux systems, but from what I recall reading in the past flakey memory and/or overclocking used to be primary hardware related problems)
[02:22] <pe7er> keyshawn: in my case i had to set the voltage supply for this geforce2 to 3.30 volts although it ran fine with the default (but wrong) 3.45 volts for years
[02:23] <keyshawn> k
[02:23] <keyshawn> btw, is there any way to retrace my sites in firefox, besides history
[02:23] <geppy> keyshawn:  autocomplete?
[02:23] <keyshawn> i was on a site when it crashed, and forget the same of the site.
[02:24] <geppy> keyshawn:  Did it not get recorded in the history?  I wouldn't know of another way to look it up.
[02:24] <keyshawn> autocomplete worked.
[02:24] <keyshawn> thanks.
[02:24] <keyshawn> [took a few guesses to figure out what letter it began with] 
[02:24] <skreet_> does vanilla debian come with any pre-setup GUI or is it bare?
[02:24] <geppy> Does the Ubuntu Backports project not provide sources?
[02:24] <elocal> what dev lib contains make[2] : *** No rule to make target `midi.c', needed by `midi.o'.  Stop. in ubuntu?
[02:25] <geppy> skreet_ You have to install one.  You have to install *everything*
[02:25] <skreet_> hehe.
[02:25] <pe7er> geppy: not via repository at least
[02:25] <skreet_> Sound slike fun. *sigh*
[02:25] <geppy> =)
[02:25] <geppy> pe7er:  Do you know if they provide them elsewhere?
[02:25] <emz> hi can i have a linksys wireless usb network adapter linked to ubuntu
[02:25] <pe7er> geppy: sorry, now, but, ehrm, propably. have you chacked the sourceforge cvs?
[02:26] <pe7er> *sorry, don't know, but...
[02:26] <geppy> pe7er:  No, I'll check it out now.  thanks.
[02:26] <cutterjohn> pe7er: you can't apt-get source package-xyz?
[02:26] <cutterjohn> (command line)
[02:26] <haakonn_> yow, any modem (dialup) users here? looking for feedback on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=ddf3e3bbb5ffb61d8502ec7751eae6c3&t=11639 </spam> :)
[02:26] <geppy> cutterjohn:  No, deb-src doesn't fetch
[02:26] <skreet_> geppy: Whats the console command to install a package *and* all requirements?
[02:26] <skreet_> I figured you might know.
[02:26] <geppy> skreet: sudo apt-get install package
[02:27] <skreet_> apt-get install will do it?
[02:27] <skreet_> Okay
[02:27] <geppy> skreet:  That's the reason people use Debian.  Apt determines dependencies.
[02:27] <geppy> =)
[02:27] <skreet_> Cool
[02:27] <skreet_> Thanks, Ithink I'm gonna take a swing and doing debian.
[02:27] <gen> ..
[02:27] <pe7er> cutterjohn: at least blindly guessed deb-src repositories returned error messages
[02:28] <cutterjohn> dialup: can't say much other than I've seen those very same recomendations before.  Personally, I've got mine manually setup and use wvdial directly...
[02:29] <geppy> pe7er:  I'm checking the depository via firefox, not seeing sources.  I'm not seeing cvs info on their sourceforge, nor am I seeing anything on their sourceforge project.  Perhaps the project leader should be notified of various GPL stipulations?  =)
[02:29] <cutterjohn>  apt-get source ncftp
[02:29] <cutterjohn> Reading Package Lists... Done
[02:29] <cutterjohn> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[02:29] <cutterjohn> Need to get 513kB of source archives.
[02:29] <cutterjohn> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe ncftp 2:3.1.7-1 (dsc) [587B] 
[02:29] <cutterjohn> Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe ncftp 2:3.1.7-1 (tar) [504kB] 
[02:29] <cutterjohn> 4% [2 ncftp 21573/504kB 4%] 
[02:29] <cutterjohn> looks like it works
[02:30] <pe7er> skreet_: you can also check out knoppix, i don't like it too much (one-person based project), but its debian and is kde
[02:30] <geppy> Danke!
[02:30] <skreet_> I tried knoppix once and I dont remember why but I didnt like it.
[02:30] <skreet_> I think I'm going to build up a debian system.
[02:30] <skreet_> after I figure out what i'm going to do with my files :(
[02:30] <geppy> cutterjohn:  I didn't realize that they were in the regular depository...  Firefox is obnoxious about cutting the filenames off in directories.  Hmph, I'll just have to use lynx, next time.  =)
[02:30] <mackenzie> that is enjoyable
[02:31] <geppy> skreet:  Why not use Mepis?
[02:31] <cutterjohn> :)
[02:31] <geppy> =)
[02:31] <cutterjohn> geppy: I only knew for pretty much certain since I originally manually edited my apt/sources.list file
[02:31] <cutterjohn> geppy: and I have no clue as how to force synaptic to grab sources
[02:31] <gangalino> anyone know of a desktop RSS-grabber/reader?
[02:32] <geppy> cutterjohn:  heh.  I've never used synaptic.  =)
[02:32] <skyrider> gangalino: iferea
[02:32] <skyrider> gangalino: liferea
[02:32] <cutterjohn> geppy: ah, I've had to manually grab stuff or use crappy old yum for so long that a GUI package/grabber/installer is a blessing... like being on OSX w/fink commander
[02:32] <mojo_> geppy: doesn't the reload button do that?
[02:33] <cutterjohn> geppy: or worse grab raw packages and build with no nifty tools like checkinstall...
[02:33] <geppy> cutterjohn:  haha
[02:33] <geppy> mojo:  Wait, do what?
[02:33] <geppy> cutterjohn:  haha... yeah
[02:33] <cutterjohn> geppy: almost as bad as the bad old days of depency hell...
[02:33] <cutterjohn> er... dependency
[02:33] <geppy> cutterjohn:  hahaha... not so old, for some of us recent FC converts.  =)
[02:34] <mojo_> geppy: oh, sry... i thought the 'reload' button on the toolbar in synaptic was the same as doing apt-get update (reload pkg lists from repositories)
[02:34] <mojo_> geppy: but I don't know for, like, 100% or anything.
[02:34] <geppy> mojo:  Oh.  I don't know anything about Synaptic.  I'm afraid to touch it.
[02:34] <cutterjohn> geppy: wow, I thought that RPM had been pretty much improved lately... but I've primarily run my linux on powerpc macs, and mostly only ran x86s as servers with FreeBSD as my main server...
[02:34] <mojo_> geppy: that is what it seems to do
[02:35] <pe7er> any idea how i can fix this python which says "ImportError: No module named warnings"? i know i screwed it up, but i miss my nicotine badly
[02:35] <cutterjohn> geppy: just to clarify, I was speaking of 7 or so years ago in my original dependency hell comment
[02:35] <geppy> cutterjohn:  RPM really _is_ improving, but the packagers are getting worse.
[02:35] <geppy> cutterjohn:  Understood.  =)
[02:35] <mojo_> geppy: synaptic seems to be a gui front end to the apt pkg manager... so apt is what's doing the work underneath.  That is how I understand it, anyways...
[02:36] <geppy> mojo:  Right, I just hate not being able to upgrade from CTRL-ALT-F2  =)
[02:36] <cutterjohn> geppy: what is CTRL-ALT-F2?
[02:36] <cutterjohn> virtual console?
[02:36] <geppy> cutterjohn:  Right.
[02:36] <hgjjjjjjjh> hi all
[02:36] <elocal> make[2] : Entering directory `/home/elocal/.WineCVS/sources/cvscedega/winex/dlls/winmm/winealsa'
[02:36] <elocal> make[2] : *** No rule to make target `midi.c', needed by `midi.o'.  Stop.
[02:36] <elocal> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/elocal/.WineCVS/sources/cvscedega/winex/dlls/winmm/winealsa'
[02:36] <skreet_> is there a way to mount an ftp:// location to a directory.
[02:36] <elocal> any cvs cedega users?
[02:36] <geppy> elocal:  No!
[02:37] <geppy> elocal:  DON'T BUILD FROM CVS!
[02:37] <elocal> geppy, why?
[02:37] <cutterjohn> heh heh
[02:37] <Cindux> Anyone here used Cobind Desktop /
[02:37] <Cindux> or Damn Small Linux ?
[02:37] <wastrel> never heard of it.
[02:37] <Cindux> :O
[02:37] <princemackenzie> ive used damn small before
[02:37] <mojo_> geppy: yeah...   I use both, unless I think I'm touching something that is part of the x, gdm, or gnome structure.  then I prefer to go commmando (command line ;-) so that i don't run into problems with running modules
[02:37] <Cindux> Oo
[02:37] <elocal> geppy, I like edges that bleed!!!!!!!1
[02:37] <geppy> elocal:  Because it sucks ass.  It lacks copy protection.  It's almost impossible to build.  It NEVER works.  It won't run anything.  Buying a subscription costs $15, and you'll get _plenty_ of bang for you buck.
[02:37] <geppy> elocal:  It's not bleeding edge.
[02:37] <Cindux> lol bla
[02:38] <geppy> elocal: It's stupid.
[02:38] <Cindux> I'm completly new to Linux
[02:38] <geppy> mojo:  =)
[02:38] <Cindux> besides a few hours with damn small / cobind
[02:38] <cutterjohn> skreet: your best bet is to probably use a regular command line or GUI ftp only client, e.g. gFTP, ncftp, etc
[02:38] <Cindux> just wondering what exactly X means
[02:38] <princemackenzie> damn small is awesome in a 1995 toshiba laptop
[02:38] <Cindux> how some programs have xbla etc
[02:38] <geppy> mojo:  On Linux, though, you shouldn't ever have problems with installing over programs in use.
[02:38] <princemackenzie> X is the nickname for the graphical interface
[02:39] <Cindux> blink blink
[02:39] <geppy> Argh, I shouldn't have fired up IRC as I sat down to do my homework....
[02:39] <Cindux> GUI ?
[02:39] <geppy> I'm out of here, guys.
[02:39] <geppy> Cindux:  Yes.
[02:39] <princemackenzie> yes
[02:39] <Cindux> ic lol
[02:39] <princemackenzie> more like, whats behing the gui
[02:39] <cutterjohn> GUI = windows, buttons, etc, sort of
[02:39] <princemackenzie> gnome, KDE, etc lay on top of X
[02:39] <elocal> geppy, it is bleeding edge, and it compiles fine Gentoo...
[02:39] <Cindux> oh
[02:39] <Cindux> So i have Fluxbox running on top of X
[02:39] <mojo_> cindux:  X is the underlying framework, XWindows developed orig at MIT if I remember right
[02:39] <Cindux> and on Cobin Gnome
[02:39] <princemackenzie> yes.
[02:40] <pe7er> Cindux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System
[02:40] <princemackenzie> that would be a correct statement
[02:40] <cutterjohn> yes, flux is nice and MISSING from ubuntu repo(!)
[02:40] <Cindux> oy thanks
[02:40] <princemackenzie> i know!
[02:40] <princemackenzie> there is some antiqauted version in universe i think
[02:40] <princemackenzie> like 0.11
[02:40] <cutterjohn> not for powerpc, only blackbox
[02:40] <Cindux> hm
[02:40] <wastrel> i think because flux is newer than the debian repository that warty is based on.
[02:40] <jdub> cutterjohn: fluxbox is in universe
[02:40] <mojo_> cindux: On "top" of X you run a graphic display manager (gdm), and over the GDM your desktop environment's collection of programs runs.
[02:41] <Cindux> oh ic
[02:41] <jdub> mojo_: not quite, gdm just starts the desktop environment :)
[02:41] <cutterjohn> jdub: hmmm, did a search this afternoon in synaptic for flux(name & desc) no hit for fluxbox
[02:41] <dieg1> mojo_: way to leave out "window manager" and "graphical toolkit" :P
[02:41] <wastrel> eh
[02:41] <princemackenzie> maybe "top" isn't the best term
[02:41] <princemackenzie> the wikipedia link is good tho
[02:41] <jdub> cutterjohn: did you enable the universe repository?
[02:41] <cutterjohn> jdub: or do you mean hoary universe?
[02:41] <wastrel> well it's not really necessary for a user to know this
[02:41] <Cindux> hm
[02:42] <cutterjohn> jdub: yep, all plus a break or two
[02:42] <Cindux> Can anyone recommend a distro ?
[02:42] <Cindux> Preferably for somenoe who does ALOT of web design
[02:42] <mojo_> LOL okay I am sure there are ppl who can explain it better than I
[02:42] <Cindux> and wants to have the option of programming
[02:42] <cutterjohn> jdub: was thinking of grabbing cvs and sudo make checkinstall make install in
[02:42] <jdub> cutterjohn: universe for whichever version you're running
[02:42] <cutterjohn> g
[02:42] <dieg1> Cindux: ubuntu seems to be the distro of choice of this channel for some reason
[02:42] <mojo_> dieg1: LOL
[02:42] <Cindux> hm
[02:42] <wastrel> heh
[02:42] <Cindux> I'm on the Gnoppix website
[02:43] <jdub> Cindux: gnoppix is now based on ubuntu :)
[02:43] <wastrel> gnoppix is a bootable distro not for installation
[02:43] <jdub> Cindux: www.ubuntu.com
[02:43] <Cindux> so it doesnt have4 the option for an HD install ?
[02:43] <Cindux> oh yes im on both jdub :D
[02:43] <wastrel> Cindux: not when i last used it.
[02:43] <jdub> Cindux: grab the ubuntu install cd
[02:44] <wastrel> which was, admittedly, a while ago.
[02:44] <Cindux> bla
[02:44] <cutterjohn> jdub: find: fluxconf & libflux0
[02:44] <cutterjohn> jdub: no client
[02:44] <jdub> cutterjohn: warty or hoary?
[02:44] <cutterjohn> jdub: warty
[02:45] <princemackenzie> when i installed flux, i couldn't do anything
[02:45] <mebaran> My Evolution is still dead
[02:45] <jdub> perhaps it didn't build correctly in warty
[02:45] <mebaran> anyone have any ideas
[02:45] <skreet> Anyone know why I cant write files to my folder while FTP'd into my vsftp server?
[02:45] <mebaran> on AMD64
[02:45] <jdub> it's available in hoary
[02:45] <diego> mebaran: yeah i have a couple ideas...quit abusing the enter key and describe "dead"
[02:45] <mebaran> gnome-applets and gdesklets are done
[02:45] <cutterjohn> jdub: eh, not up to warty-> hoary over dialup quite yet...
[02:45] <mebaran> oh sorry
[02:45] <jdub> cutterjohn: mm, not a great idea ;)
[02:45] <Cindux> oh that was another thing
[02:45] <jdub> cutterjohn: perhaps pull the fluxbox source package and see why it fails
[02:45] <skyrider> Hi guys. I'm using Warty and right now I try to build psycopg-1.1.18 from sources (because I need PostgreSQL database adapter for Zope) and I have a little problem: when I run configure it ends up with error message "checking for mxDateTime.h... configure: error: can't build without mx headers". It's obvious that there is some kind of development package not installed but I can't find what exactly. In Warty's repository there is only one package python2
[02:46] <mebaran> the enter key is my friend, but anyway Evolution wont let me import load or edit my contacts
[02:46] <Cindux> i386,AMD64 & PowerPC
[02:46] <jdub> skyrider: psycopg is in universe
[02:46] <Cindux> wuh im confused
[02:46] <cutterjohn> jdub: see if I can get some broadband access when I really need to update... src: good idea
[02:46] <Cindux> i thought og intel 386 at first
[02:48] <skyrider> jdub: I know that, but actually I need zope-psycopgda which is part of psycopg source package.
[02:48] <Cindux> oy
[02:48] <cutterjohn> jdub: source is there, but its WAY older than the earliest version that I've ever used of fluxbox, positively stale (I usually grab the latest CVS every so often, never had a major problem with fluxbox & CVS versions)
[02:48] <princemackenzie> cindux: what about the intel 386
[02:49] <phuzzy> i hope someone can help me
[02:49] <phuzzy> does anyone know how to install a USB Printer?
[02:49] <princemackenzie> sure
[02:49] <princemackenzie> what type of printer is it?
[02:49] <princemackenzie> brand
[02:49] <phuzzy> HP Deskjet 3520
[02:49] <princemackenzie> okay
[02:49] <princemackenzie> turn it on and hook it up
[02:50] <phuzzy> it's already hooked up
[02:50] <princemackenzie> go to computer > system config > printers
[02:50] <Cindux> bla intel 386 ?
[02:50] <Cindux> oh
[02:50] <phuzzy> ok
[02:50] <phuzzy> did that
[02:50] <skyrider> jdub: I can't use packages from universe because I use Zope that I built from source by myself ('cause I want to use newer version that is available for Warty)
[02:50] <princemackenzie> add a printer
[02:50] <phuzzy> new printer?
[02:50] <princemackenzie> double click
[02:50] <princemackenzie> new printer
[02:50] <princemackenzie> srt
[02:50] <phuzzy> ok
[02:50] <princemackenzie> sry
[02:51] <phuzzy> it's cool
[02:51] <Cindux> I wanted to download and try Gnoppix Development Version Hoary
[02:51] <phuzzy> alright
[02:51] <Cindux> it says its made for i386,AMD64 & powerpc
[02:51] <Cindux> i dont understand = /
[02:51] <Cindux> i think i do anyway
[02:51] <phuzzy> i did that
[02:51] <wastrel> skyrider: apt-cache search mx | grep mx | grep python   anything in there look likely?
[02:51] <princemackenzie> does it detect it?
[02:51] <phuzzy> no
[02:52] <phuzzy> it says no detected printers
[02:52] <princemackenzie> okay
[02:52] <diego> Cindux: those refer to architectures...i386 is the arch for most of the intel's and amd's out there
[02:52] <princemackenzie> select add a local printer and press on
[02:52] <Cindux> hm
[02:52] <phuzzy> turn the printer off?
[02:52] <princemackenzie> no
[02:52] <princemackenzie> im sorry
[02:52] <phuzzy> it's ok
[02:52] <Cindux> I'm downloading it now :P
[02:53] <princemackenzie> like, select "local printer"
[02:53] <Cindux> its a live distro anyway so meh
[02:53] <Cindux> thanks
[02:53] <phuzzy> ok i selected that
[02:53] <princemackenzie> and then go "forward"
[02:53] <thenuke> hummh, slackware does not want to install :I
[02:53] <phuzzy> alright
[02:53] <phuzzy> should i select a port?
[02:53] <thenuke> I wonder if I should try archlinux too
[02:53] <billytwowilly> any idea why the gnome menus don't show the crossover office stuff that should be in there now?
[02:53] <diego> thenuke: this doesn't sound like the right channel to ask for slackware help in
[02:53] <thenuke> does someone has any opinions on archlinux?
[02:53] <cutterjohn> er, quick apt-source question:  where does apt dump the sources?
[02:53] <skyrider> wastrel: Thanks! Oh my stupid head ;) I think I need python-egenix-mx-base-dev
[02:53] <thenuke> diego: and I am not asking for help
[02:53] <princemackenzie> yes, its USB, so select that
[02:53] <mebaran> Cindux: did you "modprobe usblp"
[02:54] <phuzzy> there is no option for USB
[02:54] <phuzzy> only parallel port #1
[02:54] <princemackenzie> hmmm
[02:54] <mebaran> oh sorry
[02:54] <diego> thenuke: then you're a quitter!!! **points at quitter**
[02:54] <mebaran> phuzzy: modprobe usblp
[02:54] <princemackenzie> hehe thanks
[02:54] <princemackenzie> mebaran
[02:54] <phuzzy> run that from a root terminal?
[02:54] <princemackenzie> yes
[02:55] <princemackenzie> wait
[02:55] <princemackenzie> you don't have too
[02:55] <princemackenzie> i should just shush =(
[02:55] <phuzzy> i don't have to?
[02:55] <princemackenzie> you don't have to run it as root or sudo i believe
[02:55] <phuzzy> oh ok
[02:56] <phuzzy> well, i already logged in as root so i'll try it lol
[02:56] <wasabi> Hmm. In kernel 2.6.10, my 3ware card no longer works right.
[02:56] <mebaran> do it as root
[02:56] <mebaran> it wont hurt
[02:56] <wasabi> The 3ware utilities can't detect it.
[02:56] <cutterjohn> 8)
[02:56] <wasabi> Oh, probably device file related some how.
[02:56] <phuzzy> ok i did that now what
[02:56] <princemackenzie> try the add printer thing again
[02:57] <princemackenzie> see if USB is an option
[02:57] <princemackenzie> right mebaran?
[02:57] <phuzzy> ok... it's still not an option
[02:57] <skreet_> setting up an ftp server sure is a pain in the arse.
[02:58] <mebaran> yeah
[02:58] <thenuke> skreet_: does not have to be :)
[02:58] <mebaran> princemackenzie: I would do so
[02:58] <mebaran> let me check my modules
[02:58] <thenuke> skreet_: just use simple enough software
[02:58] <skreet_> thenuke: please explain :D
[02:58] <phuzzy> that doesn't appear to have done anything
[02:59] <mebaran> hmmmm
[02:59] <mebaran> that fixed it for me
[02:59] <thenuke> skreet_: I sure would if I just knew some simple ftp-server ;D  heh, Well, I do have seen such in damn small linux, I just dont remember what it's name was
[02:59] <mebaran> go into your dev file system
[02:59] <mebaran> no wiat dont
[02:59] <phuzzy> ok
[02:59] <mebaran> nohting there
[02:59] <mebaran> actually do so
[02:59] <thenuke> skreet_: this sounds pretty simple http://www.siliconvalleyccie.com/linux-hn/ftp-server.htm
[02:59] <phuzzy> ok
[02:59] <mebaran> tell me if you have anything like lp0
[03:00] <phuzzy> yea i do
[03:00] <princemackenzie> im looking something up, brb
[03:01] <skreet_> it's been too long since i've done linux man, I forgot all that console stuffs :(
[03:01] <mebaran> phuzzy
[03:01] <mebaran> try using the paralell port
[03:01] <Pluk> nice learning curve
[03:01] <mebaran> it might just route ok
[03:01] <phuzzy> alright
[03:02] <phuzzy> well, last night i tried deleting /dev/lp0 and making it a symbolic link to /dev/usb/lp0
[03:02] <phuzzy> then installing it as a Parallel printer... that didn't do anything though
[03:04] <mebaran> phuzzy naughty
[03:04] <phuzzy> was that bad?
[03:04] <princemackenzie> i think so
[03:04] <mebaran> dont play with udev
[03:04] <mebaran> udev is very dynamic
[03:04] <mebaran> it might not be able to creat the correct link now
[03:04] <mebaran> because you removed its own routing system
[03:04] <phuzzy> oh great
[03:04] <bob2> it will recreate it fine
[03:04] <mebaran> I am unsure how to fix it
[03:04] <bob2> on the next reboot if nothing else
[03:04] <mebaran> oh it will
[03:04] <mebaran> cool
[03:05] <mebaran> you should ask bob2
[03:05] <phuzzy> so i just need to restart my system?
[03:05] <mebaran> he might be able to solve it
[03:05] <Cindux> Is anyone here using or has used Cobind Desktop ?
[03:05] <mdz> phuzzy: "sudo udevstart" should recreate it
[03:05] <mdz> phuzzy: assuming you deleted the symlink
[03:05] <phuzzy> i deleted /dev/lp0
[03:05] <skreet_> how do you set it so the permissions you give a dir are applied to subdirs created?
[03:06] <phuzzy> should i try sudo udevstart?
[03:06] <princemackenzie> can't say i have Cindux
[03:06] <phuzzy> sweet! it's a different color now
[03:06] <Cindux> bla
[03:06] <Cindux> lol
[03:06] <phuzzy> it's the color it was before i deleted it lol
[03:07] <phuzzy> ok, let me try this then
[03:07] <Cindux> Well what about the window manager Gnome ?
[03:07] <princemackenzie> i noticed Cobind isn't even on the DistroWatch top 100
[03:08] <Cindux> lol
[03:08] <phuzzy> ok
[03:08] <phuzzy> that didn't work
[03:08] <Cindux> well i installed it yesterday
[03:08] <Cindux> VERY ez install
[03:08] <Cindux> and it looks generally excellent
[03:08] <princemackenzie> it looks quite friendly
[03:08] <Cindux> well i just started with linux 2 weeks ago :P
[03:08] <princemackenzie> seems to be in the linspire/xandros vein
[03:08] <Cindux> and i understood it all
[03:08] <pd> anyone using XFCE 4.2 now?
[03:08] <Pluk> pd i do
[03:08] <Cindux> it looks slick :P
[03:09] <princemackenzie> it does
[03:09] <princemackenzie> so what about Gnome Cindux?
[03:09] <Cindux> um i was j/w
[03:09] <Cindux> you know the bar usually at the bottom in the center
[03:09] <Cindux> with "shortcuts" i think they are
[03:09] <princemackenzie> okay
[03:09] <princemackenzie> like, the taskbar is windows?
[03:10] <princemackenzie> in
[03:10] <phuzzy> bob2: do you have any ideas?
[03:10] <Cindux> ye
[03:10] <Cindux> i was j/w if its ok to remove some of those shortcuts
[03:10] <princemackenzie> lol yes
[03:10] <Cindux> er not exactly
[03:10] <Cindux> um not remove
[03:10] <pd> wonder if i should just use the backports of XFCE
[03:10] <Cindux> but how could i use my own icons for some of them ?
[03:10] <pd> or use the other debs
[03:10] <princemackenzie> sure thing
[03:10] <cutterjohn> Pluk: from hoary, or did you build it yourself?
[03:10] <princemackenzie> its ez
[03:10] <mebaran> Anyone experiencing problems with Evolution contacts?
[03:11] <princemackenzie> you are using gnome now, right?
[03:11] <Cindux> yezzor
[03:11] <cthulfuego> mebaran: No, but the default version in hoary seems to fuxk up my filters, so i haven't gotten around to running it properly.
[03:12] <princemackenzie> right-click on the shortcut and go to properties... then click the icon and point at what you rather use.
[03:12] <phuzzy> mebaran: do you have any other ideas?
[03:12] <Cindux> oh
[03:12] <Cindux> so i just slip into a DIR
[03:12] <Cindux> and then show it where it is
[03:12] <princemackenzie> yes.
[03:12] <Cindux> oy thanks
[03:12] <Cindux> AND lol
[03:12] <mebaran> the default version in Hoary for me wont let me add remove view or use contacts or contact directories
[03:12] <mebaran> basically leaves it useless
[03:12] <Pluk> cutterjohn, i used a outside repo
[03:12] <mebaran> as I cant add anything ot use it
[03:12] <Pluk> just lemme look
[03:12] <Cindux> It came with finance software and i dont know how to uninstall it
[03:12] <Cindux> i want it off :(
[03:12] <robertj> is there a ubuntu sed channel?
[03:13] <robertj> so many hoary related questions it seems
[03:13] <phuzzy> does ANYONE have any other ideas?
[03:13] <princemackenzie> phuzzy: i can't think of something
[03:13] <cutterjohn> robertj: yes, ALWAYS have to make sure that you specify version, ow it gets very confusing...
[03:13] <mebaran> me enither
[03:13] <wastrel> other ideas about what?
[03:13] <mebaran> I am stumped
[03:13] <princemackenzie> other than doing something drastic like a reinstall =\
[03:14] <mebaran> phuzzy can't install his printer
[03:14] <mebaran> reinstall tends to fix nothing
[03:14] <wastrel> heh printing.
[03:14] <mebaran> for me at least
[03:14] <TheAngel> hi all
[03:14] <wastrel> my printer works if i print from abiword
[03:14] <wastrel> but that's it
[03:14] <mebaran> My printer still wont print at the correct ratio
[03:14] <cutterjohn> ...and also any outside repos...
[03:14] <mebaran> it prints everything at like 1/4 ratio
[03:14] <princemackenzie> really?  mine has been solid
[03:14] <mebaran> or in very bad qualtiy
[03:14] <wastrel> mebaran: i get 4-pages per sheet
[03:14] <TheAngel> can i install from live-cd aswell
[03:14] <wastrel> mebaran: heh you were talking about this last night
[03:14] <mebaran> oh
[03:14] <mebaran> yeah
[03:14] <mebaran> I was
[03:14] <mebaran> my favorite paper weight
[03:14] <wastrel> dude if you figure it out let me know baby.
[03:15] <mebaran> I never got it to work in debian
[03:15] <mebaran> yeah
[03:15] <mebaran> I was looking at the cups code
[03:15] <wastrel> i get one sheet for every 4 pages i send to the printer.
[03:15] <mebaran> fought it might be hackable
[03:15] <wastrel> this is for web docs, openoffice, etc.
[03:15] <cutterjohn> Monodevelop(warty/mono-1.0.1-whatever is in warty repo): anyone using it?  anyone having problems with it not always wanting to startup, i.e. giving a SIGILL and dying?
[03:15] <mebaran> but that sort of was a failed cause
[03:15] <wastrel> EXCEPT abiword - which prints normally
[03:15] <mebaran> abiword
[03:15] <mebaran> hmmm
[03:15] <mebaran> I might install it
[03:15] <mebaran> see if the same is for me
[03:15] <wastrel> and PDF's and PS prints 1 blank page for every 4 sheets
[03:15] <mebaran> maybe I should try using like lpr
[03:15] <robertj> try gedit
[03:16] <mebaran> see what happnes
[03:16] <robertj> does gedit print normally?
[03:16] <Pluk> cutterjohn, i used the repos from the xfld distro
[03:16] <wastrel> never tried gedit
[03:16] <Pluk> their supposed to be on www.os-works.com but it seems doen atm
[03:16] <cutterjohn> Pluk, do you happend to know if they have powerpc binaries?
[03:16] <phuzzy> there is no way to have the output directed to /dev/usb/lp0?
[03:16] <phuzzy> because under my device manager thing the printer shows up
[03:16] <Pluk> they have the source availeble but dunno if it suits PPC
[03:17] <phuzzy> but the printer admin program isn't detecting it
[03:17] <TheAngel> can i install from live-cd aswell? anyone please?
[03:17] <HrdwrBoB> no
[03:18] <TheAngel> you sure? :(
[03:18] <cutterjohn> Pluk, thanks, just did a google and will look... I built monodevelop via source tarball plus sudo checkinstall make install, and am thinking of trying that out for xfce 4.2
[03:18] <tritium> phuzzy, was the printer on at boot time?  Printer detection occurs when /etc/init.d/cupsys is run
[03:18] <mebaran> Anyone know if Ubuntu supports lpr
[03:18] <phuzzy> yes it was on
[03:18] <mebaran> I mgith try lpr
[03:18] <jinxen> Someone here that can help me with gdesklets?
[03:18] <mebaran> as cups seems to not have any idea what to do with my Canon i950
[03:19] <phuzzy> should i try running it again?
[03:19] <tritium> mebaran, did you look on linuxprinting.org for any info?
[03:19] <princemackenzie> there is a link on the forums on how to handle canon iXXX series printers mebaran
[03:19] <princemackenzie> a HOWTO was written
[03:20] <jinxen> Somoene? Help me with Gdesklets? :)
[03:20] <Pluk> what the problem jinxen
[03:20] <princemackenzie> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10540
[03:21] <jinxen> Pluk: when i try to start a sensor i get a error
[03:21] <jinxen> pluk: 2 sek
[03:21] <princemackenzie> which sensor?
[03:21] <Pluk> an attribute error?
[03:21] <Pluk> thats the error i get when running some desklets
[03:21] <Pluk> and a glibtop error
[03:21] <jinxen> pluk: File "/usr/local/lib/gdesklets/factory/SensorFactory.py", line 86, in create_sensor
[03:21] <jinxen> stuff like that
[03:22] <jinxen> pluk: update glibtop?
[03:22] <jinxen> pluk: AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'cpu'
[03:22] <princemackenzie> is there not a sensor module you can load?
[03:22] <Pluk> same error i get, havent found a solution for it..  are you running hoary too?
[03:23] <jinxen> hoary?
[03:23] <mebaran> I checked
[03:23] <mebaran> but the problem is
[03:23] <mebaran> that only works for i386
[03:23] <mebaran> I am on AMD64
[03:23] <jinxen> princemackenzie: Sensor module, what you mean?
[03:23] <mebaran> bleeding age that hurts
[03:23] <mebaran> bleeding edge hurts
[03:23] <froust> If I run into errors during a synaptic install, where would I find them?
[03:23] <princemackenzie> lm-sensors
[03:23] <Pluk> guess your not jinxen  :) hoary is the " unstable" version of ubuntu
[03:23] <jinxen> okey :)
[03:23] <jinxen> no, im not running hoary :)
[03:23] <princemackenzie> hoary is due out in April
[03:23] <princemackenzie> it's the next release.
[03:24] <jinxen> Pluk: Got any idea how to get it to work?
[03:24] <Pluk> nope cant figure it out :( would love to see a solution somewhere too though
[03:24] <princemackenzie> installing and configuring lm-sensors wouldn't do it, right?
[03:24] <Pluk> nope princemackenzie unfortunately
[03:24] <princemackenzie> or am I WAY off
[03:25] <princemackenzie> okay, thanks =P
[03:25] <Pluk> i get the error also in cpuload desklets
[03:25] <princemackenzie> i'm still figuring all this out: just watching the convos in here are a lesson in themselves.
[03:25] <jinxen> wierd
[03:25] <Pluk> clock applet works though
[03:25] <jinxen> sucks :P
[03:25] <princemackenzie> i have personally given up on the sensor desklets
[03:26] <jinxen> my friend got it to work, but he cant remember how :P
[03:26] <bborkk> what's a sensor desklet?
[03:26] <mebaran> Hmmmm, I think my Evolution then is buggy
[03:26] <princemackenzie> i thought the general considered hosed
[03:26] <jinxen> yup, cpu, memory and harddrive
[03:26] <princemackenzie> although Gkrellm is a nice subsititute
[03:26] <mebaran> But how could I extract any useful info for a developer trying to fix it
[03:26] <jinxen> same ubuntu version as me
[03:26] <Pluk> never liked Gkrellm
[03:26] <mebaran> like a backtrace I guess or something like that
[03:26] <princemackenzie> i think it's keen myself
[03:27] <wastrel> i gave up on gdesklets when i realized i can never see my desktop anyway
[03:27] <Pluk> :)
[03:27] <cutterjohn> :)
[03:27] <bob2> phuzzy: I didn't read the question, but any changes to /dev will be undone by a reboot
[03:31] <eruin> http://www.gnome.org/bounties/Miscellaneous.html#127552
[03:31] <eruin> that's pretty sweet
[03:33] <bborkk> Is there a Debian package that will install a JRE plug-in for Firefox?  I saw the instructions on the wiki to do it yourself, but it would be nice if there were a package to do so.
[03:33] <froust> CAn anyone help me out with the ATI Driver install?
[03:33] <froust> I'm getting some weird error messages
[03:33] <bborkk> froust: Which driver?
[03:33] <pe7er> last, final bugger: '# apt-get --reinstall -f install python2.3' gives me an error: "unable to make backup link of `./usr/lib/python2.3/symbol.py' before installing new version: Operation not permitted" ...would it be safe to try to move that file out manually?
[03:33] <froust> bborkk: the new one
[03:34] <bborkk> froust: You mean fglrx?
[03:34] <froust> that's the one
[03:34] <billytwowilly> froust is running amd64
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl> i have this problem when i trying to change resolution using screen resolution || The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available.
[03:34] <bborkk> ah.
[03:34] <billytwowilly> conflict with ia32-libs
[03:36] <daniels> billytwowilly: yeah, I've fixed that one locally
[03:36] <daniels> ZzeCoOl: yeah, you're using fglrx, right?
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl> daniels yes
[03:37] <kent> does not epiphany have the kind of "search google" widget like firefox have? Im thinking of changing to epiphany but i miss that function.
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl> and your Xorgy
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[03:37] <Cindux> bla
[03:37] <daniels> ZzeCoOl: fglrx doesn't let you change resolutions on the fly
[03:38] <froust> Can anyone help me with my ia32-libs conflict with the fglrx drivers?
[03:38] <ZzeCoOl> so maybe thios is the problem that i cant play lineage using cedega...
[03:38] <wasabi> kent, type in the location bar, and choose search the web from the drop down box
[03:38] <ZzeCoOl> maybe at the begiing it try to change resolution
[03:38] <pe7er> or can anyone tell me what this ls -l output means: "c---r---wT  25968 1920091170 2036431220 110, 119 1987-04-02 16:02 symbol.py"? i don't understand anything. fsck?
[03:38] <ZzeCoOl> begining*
[03:39] <wasabi> sounds like file system corruption to me
[03:39] <kent> wasabi, oh. nice. Did not see that one :)
[03:39] <phuzzy> is there any other printer configuration tools?
[03:39] <phuzzy> *are
[03:40] <phuzzy> i really need this printer to work tonight
[03:40] <phuzzy> and i don't want to have to install windows to get it to work
[03:40] <kent> wasabi, you dont happen to know how to make epiphany always open new stuff in a new tab? if i click on a link in evolution then it opens that page in the current tab/window, which i dont want it to.
[03:40] <wasabi> middle click?
[03:40] <wasabi> oh that
[03:40] <wasabi> no, i dont
[03:40] <wasabi> might be an option
[03:41] <kent> i could not find it in the menu :(  but, perhaps i can google for it a while
[03:41] <pe7er> wasabi: do you got any idea how i can fix it? will fsck be a good choice? i suppose i better don't run it from a running system when i need to fix that root drive... correct?
[03:42] <wasabi> pe7er: fsck will correct the file system. that does not mean the data will be intact.
[03:42] <wasabi> And you should never run it on a mounted file system.
[03:43] <pe7er> alright
[03:43] <pe7er> (not alright, but ok)
[03:43] <pe7er> file size is rather mysterious, too
[03:44] <jmhodges> anybody know if the flgrx-driver -> xorg-driver-fglrx problem was solved?
[03:44] <jmhodges> i thought i put up a bug report, but i can't seem to find it
[03:44] <tritium> phuzzy, you could try foomatic-gui, perhaps
[03:44] <regeya> #$%!
[03:44] <jmhodges> but then, im having to use w3m to gete to it
[03:44] <regeya>     print data["departmentNames"] 
[03:44] <Cindux> hm
[03:44] <regeya> TypeError: unsubscriptable object
[03:44] <froust> Anyone else have problems with ia32-libs and fglrx?
[03:45] <pe7er> omg, "c--xr--r-x  29561 1700949870 544371488  32, 115 2028-03-02 10:00 symtable.py"
[03:45] <regeya> anyone here ever use syck with python?  I'm wondering if this is truly a dict I'm dealing with.
[03:45] <jmhodges> pe7er wtf?
[03:45] <regeya> I mean, I should be able to print data['departmentNames']  and get the value of that item
[03:45] <pe7er> more of this.... does anyone know a good howto for ext2 repair?
[03:46] <wasabi> fsck it
[03:46] <regeya> what the devil...
[03:46] <jmhodges> pe7er man fsck
[03:46] <wasabi> i can almost guarentee you're going to lose stuff
[03:46] <regeya> pe7er, have you EVER run fsck on your filesystem?
[03:46] <pe7er> only on os x
[03:46] <jmhodges> pe7er or rather, man e2fsck
[03:46] <pe7er> single user mode
[03:46] <Cindux> hm bluck bluck
[03:46] <jmhodges> pe7er get thee to a live cd
[03:47] <regeya> take your system down to runlevel 1 (init 1), remount the partition as readonly, and run fsck -fvy /dev/whatever
[03:47] <regeya> or a live cd would be better
[03:47] <Cindux> Anyone know a linux distro similar to Damn Small Linux but larger ?
[03:47] <regeya> since ubuntu will ask for a root password when you try to go to runlevel 1
[03:48] <pe7er> jmhodges, regeya, wasabi: thanks. now i only have to find out how that did occur.
[03:48] <regeya> this serves to remind me that it's been a while since I fsck'ed.
[03:48] <jmhodges> argh!
[03:48] <hikaru79> Cindux, lol
[03:48] <hikaru79> Cindux, Debian?
[03:48] <Cindux> well
[03:48] <Cindux> I wanted debian
[03:48] <jmhodges> does anyone know how to get rid of fglrx-driver and move to xorg-driver-fglrx on hoary?
[03:48] <Cindux> but this is an older PC
[03:48] <jmhodges> im without an X server here :(
[03:48] <regeya> pe7er, I had run fsck on linux before I ever had on os x; I found OS X's lack of options to be frustrating :-}
[03:48] <Cindux> p3 600mhz / 128mb ram / 10gb hdd
[03:49] <jmhodges> anyone?
[03:49] <mbp_> Cindux, debian should be fine on that if you're selective
[03:49] <Cindux> I'd like something thats only one CD
[03:49] <Cindux> bla = /
[03:49] <regeya> and pe7er, from this point forward, always make backups of important data.
[03:49] <mbp_> Ubuntu?
[03:49] <Cindux> Know anything debian based?
[03:49] <Cindux> LIKE damn small
[03:49] <princemackenzie> have you seen the Ubuntu mini-ram install
[03:49] <Cindux> Im really just looking for something with GIMP & an html editor
[03:49] <regeya> yikes.
[03:49] <princemackenzie> it installs a stripped system and you from there.
[03:49] <Cindux> but its gotta look good - . -
[03:49] <Cindux> = /
[03:49] <Cindux> lol
[03:49] <princemackenzie> aye
[03:49] <princemackenzie> what are you after man
[03:49] <redfun> Cindux, Feather is double the size of Damn Small.
[03:49] <pe7er> regaya: backups are a good thing. i always tell my friends how essential they are. although i never do those myself %)
[03:50] <regeya> hehe pe7er
[03:50] <princemackenzie> "i want a ferrari that also gets 40 MPG"
[03:50] <Cindux> bla ive been looking foreva lol
[03:50] <mbp_> Cindux, LFS?
[03:50] <Cindux> Oo feather eh
[03:50] <regeya> let's see...looks good...has a few niceties...fits on a CD...debian-based...hm, what do I know of that meets those requirements...
[03:50] <Cindux> and it looks good!
[03:51] <princemackenzie> roofles regeya
[03:51] <Cindux> lol
[03:51] <princemackenzie> what is "looks good"
[03:51] <Cindux> I like Gnome & Flux ?
[03:51] <princemackenzie> u b u n t y
[03:51] <princemackenzie> u b u n t u
[03:51] <regeya> oh, and has GNOME...
[03:51] <jmhodges> what do i do to "force through" a dpkg-diversion?
[03:51] <Cindux> doesnt need to
[03:51] <jmhodges> can i remove the file?
[03:51] <princemackenzie> all that and i fscked it up
[03:51] <princemackenzie> cindux
[03:51] <Cindux> thats just what ive used
[03:51] <jmhodges> run dpkg-diversion?
[03:51] <regeya> shitfire, I can't think of ANYTHING tthat matches those requirements...
[03:51] <Cindux>  ?
[03:51] <princemackenzie> what is the name of this channel
[03:51] <Cindux> ubuntu
[03:51] <Cindux> lol
[03:51] <regeya> dinnae lad, #debian?
[03:51] <princemackenzie> there you go!
[03:52] <pd> http://67.140.232.8/~paul/xfce-install.png
[03:52] <Cindux> bla
[03:52] <pd> so sweet looking
[03:52] <Cindux> website
[03:52] <mebaran> fuck
[03:52] <jmhodges> :(
[03:52] <mebaran> oh whoops
[03:52] <princemackenzie> http://www.ubuntulinux.prg
[03:52] <mebaran> wrong window
[03:52] <mebaran> hehehehehe
[03:52] <princemackenzie> http://www.ubuntulinux.org
[03:52] <mebaran> damn sorry
[03:52] <princemackenzie> me cant type
[03:52] <Cindux> lol k one sec
[03:52] <regeya> you cnat tipe
[03:52] <Cindux> ill check em all out
[03:52] <regeya> are you rasterman?
[03:52] <Cindux> sept i dontm know what "feathers" full name is
[03:52] <princemackenzie> Cindux, how did you find this room
[03:52] <regeya> chris almighty
[03:52] <princemackenzie> don't take it personally
[03:52] <Cindux> uh I was on the Gnoppix website
[03:53] <Cindux> cuz im dling it now to test
[03:53] <princemackenzie> i read you
[03:53] <Cindux> & i clicked a link for the forum
[03:53] <princemackenzie> download the ubuntu live cd
[03:53] <princemackenzie> try it out
[03:53] <princemackenzie> you will be impressed
[03:53] <princemackenzie> and if you don't like how it "looks"
[03:53] <Cindux> im trying lots
[03:53] <Cindux> lol
[03:53] <kquamme94> upgrading to hoary was a bad idea
[03:53] <pe7er> +1
[03:53] <princemackenzie> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=240
[03:53] <kquamme94> but atleast i now have a fresh install
[03:53] <regeya> yipes, syck is FAST (compared to pyyaml)
[03:53] <pd> kquamme94, yep ;)
[03:53] <princemackenzie> is a giant list of links to desktops
[03:53] <pd> kquamme94, just use backports
[03:53] <princemackenzie> running ubuntu
[03:53] <pd> seens a lot stable
[03:54] <princemackenzie> you can install xfce, flux, or gnome
[03:54] <cutterjohn> pe7er: > `T'
[03:54] <cutterjohn> > If the sticky bit is set but the other-executable bit is not
[03:54] <cutterjohn> > set.
[03:54] <kquamme94> hoary is fine on the old 450
[03:54] <Cindux> im dling that tp
[03:54] <princemackenzie> excellent.
[03:54] <Cindux> in the last 2 days i've downlaoded damn small linux,cobind desktop,slackware & right now hoary / ubuntu
[03:54] <kquamme94> haha
[03:54] <princemackenzie> i would do warty man
[03:54] <Cindux> so far only installed / tried cobin / ddamn small
[03:55] <jmhodges> ok, i can't dpkg-divert --remove this file
[03:55] <kquamme94> i tried cobind at one time
[03:55] <jmhodges> what the heck can i do?
[03:55] <princemackenzie> hoary is a bit wild at the moment
[03:55] <jmhodges> somebody?
[03:55] <jmhodges> anybody?
[03:55] <cutterjohn> pe7er: I think that c has an obscure meaning as well...
[03:55] <princemackenzie> cobind is just like linspire
[03:55] <Cindux> how was it ?
[03:55] <Cindux> I like cobind but it runs kinda laggy on my system
[03:55] <jpcl> Hi pple. I Just booted warty live cd. Can one use apt-tools on it?!? I've been unable to use "apt-cache search" or "apt-get update".... They die with strange errors!
[03:55] <princemackenzie> cause it uses KDE with all the flashiness on
[03:56] <jpcl> Hi pple. I Just booted warty live cd. Can one use apt-tools on it?!? I've been unable to use "apt-cache search" or "apt-get update".... They die with strange errors!
[03:56] <princemackenzie> you need to use ubuntu.
[03:56] <princemackenzie> im serious
[03:56] <princemackenzie> its everything you need.
[03:56] <princemackenzie> warty, not hoary.
[03:56] <Cindux> lol
[03:56] <Cindux> i hate extras
[03:56] <Cindux> thats why i loved damn small
[03:56] <Cindux> 50mb of all i need
[03:56] <Cindux> um woah
[03:56] <Cindux> google images i got a bunch of tribes
[03:56] <pe7er> damn. where is my suit (in case we have a case here)
[03:56] <princemackenzie> http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[03:57] <jmhodges> omfg
[03:57] <princemackenzie> cindux: read the ubuntu wiki.
[03:57] <jmhodges> i can't fix this..
[03:57] <princemackenzie> the link i posted above is a verys tripped ubuntu install
[03:57] <princemackenzie> no "extras"
[03:57] <princemackenzie> looks good.
[03:57] <jpcl> Hi pple. I Just booted warty live cd. Can one use apt-tools on it?!? I've been unable to use "apt-cache search" or "apt-get update".... They die with strange errors!
[03:57] <princemackenzie> go with it.
[03:57] <jpcl> Like: "Method http has died unexpectedly"
[03:58] <jpcl> And I get a major dmesg garbage ... really big dump about assertion falires, semaphore problems....
[03:58] <Cindux> Link wont open lol
[03:58] <pe7er> however, wish me luck
[03:58] <Cindux> copy n paste ;p
[03:58] <princemackenzie> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh
[03:59] <princemackenzie> or just google "ubuntu mini-ram install"
[03:59] <fdas> hey
[03:59] <fdas> can i get some help?
[03:59] <princemackenzie> if that doesn't fit yer needs Cindux, idk what you could possibly want.
[03:59] <Cindux> ugg
[04:00] <fdas> im trying to install ubuntu on my laptop.. the installation is basicly finished, but it gets stuck at this part
[04:00] <fdas> after the time thingy
[04:00] <fdas> its asking for the ubuntu cd
[04:00] <jpcl> guys, can we apt-get on the live cd? Is it possible?
[04:00] <darmou> has anyone used mono?
[04:00] <fdas> i put it in and it says to insert it
[04:00] <fdas> whats mono?
[04:00] <Cindux> damnt
[04:00] <Cindux> lol
[04:00] <stuNNed> darmou, yes
[04:00] <Cindux> prince ubuntu screenshits
[04:00] <darmou> I can't get my HelloWorld.cs to complile that uses the gtk libs:(
[04:00] <Cindux> nowhere
[04:00] <cutterjohn> darmou, yes
[04:00] <jpcl> I must be transparent....
[04:00] <fdas> can anyone help me?
[04:01] <neighborlee> hi
[04:01] <jmhodges> guys, i really need this box back with X
[04:01] <paxmaster> just got the live cd of ubuntu
[04:01] <jmhodges> i need some help clearing up these diversion problems
[04:01] <stuNNed> jpcl, maybe noone here knows the answer right now :P
[04:01] <neighborlee> jmhodges, whats up
[04:01] <princemackenzie> http://www.ubuntulinux.org Cindux
[04:01] <fdas> anyone help me please.....
[04:01] <darmou> I've installed the libglib-cil libgtk-cil libs but still no luck:(
[04:01] <neighborlee> fdas, please state the nature of your emergency
[04:01] <paxmaster> what is the password of root
[04:01] <stuNNed> fdas, have you checked #mono if there is such a thing?
[04:02] <Cindux> umz
[04:02] <fdas> im trying to install ubuntu on my laptop.. the installation is basicly finished, but it gets stuck at this part
[04:02] <darmou> cutterjohn have you been able to compile gtk# apps+
[04:02] <fdas> after the time thing
[04:02] <fdas> where u configure it
[04:02] <Arkainium> why doesn't emacs show up in gnome's menu?  second, why isn't there a menu editor?
[04:02] <fdas> it asks for the ubuntu cd
[04:02] <jmhodges> neighborlee im in hoary.. flgrx-driver wont install because it depnds on xorg-driver-fglrx, like it should.. but when i try to install xorg-driver-fglrx i get dpkg-divert errors
[04:02] <fdas> i put it in the drive and it doesnt work
[04:02] <stuNNed> eh, fdas n/m that was for darmou
[04:02] <paxmaster> just got the live cd of ubuntu
[04:02] <paxmaster> what is the password of root
[04:02] <princemackenzie> fdas: do a search on the forums
[04:02] <cutterjohn> darmou, yes I built monodevelop-0.5.1 (warty/mono-1.0.1-whatever in warty repo)
[04:02] <jmhodges> neighborlee both fglrx-driver and xorg-dpkg-driver divert the same file to different places
[04:02] <princemackenzie> i read about yer problem earlier
[04:02] <eruin> paxmaster: there is no password of root
[04:02] <neighborlee> jmhodges, hm is this ati stuff?
[04:02] <jmhodges> neighborlee indeed
[04:03] <cutterjohn> darmou, today.  Recheck for other mono packages that you may have missed.
[04:03] <Cindux> http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/
[04:03] <Cindux> and then blink blnk
[04:03] <jpcl> stuNNed, thx...
[04:03] <neighborlee> jmhodges, hmmm ouch..I may be way out of my league due to using nvidia...anyway PM me with your errors ill see
[04:03] <jmhodges> neighborlee i thought i made a bug report, but i must have hit the wrong button in w3m
[04:03] <cutterjohn> darmou, there should be more thank just lib packages... but I don't recall the names offhand...
[04:03] <darmou> cutterjohn is there a list of packages somewhere?
[04:03] <jmhodges> neighborlee er.. ok.. ill take a bit to retype them
[04:03] <princemackenzie> Cindux: do you want an install or live CD
[04:03] <jpcl> stuNNed, at lest I see xchat is working
[04:03] <jpcl> warty@ubuntu:~ $ sudo apt-get update
[04:03] <jpcl> Get:1 http://people.ubuntu.com ./ Packages [3734B] 
[04:03] <jpcl> E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[04:03] <stuNNed> jpcl, yes :)
[04:03] <neighborlee> jmhodges, up arrow
[04:03] <Cindux> um
[04:03] <cutterjohn> darmou, I'd recomend firing up synaptic, then do a find on name & desc for mono
[04:03] <stack> i'm trying to setup snmpd with my routeur, anyone could help ?
[04:04] <princemackenzie> install puts it on the HD
[04:04] <Cindux> well is it a live cd with hd install also ?
[04:04] <princemackenzie> live lets you try with no install.
[04:04] <princemackenzie> no... one or the other.
[04:04] <Cindux> er whats the diff ?
[04:04] <Cindux> thats all ?
[04:04] <princemackenzie> like i said
[04:04] <Cindux> ones a live distro of it
[04:04] <paxmaster> so y is telling when need superuser
[04:04] <princemackenzie> live lets you try with no install
[04:04] <Cindux> um
[04:04] <Cindux> Live first
[04:04] <princemackenzie> yes.
[04:04] <cutterjohn> darmou, I'm checking mine now, waiting for it to startup
[04:04] <eruin> mono-common
[04:04] <princemackenzie> if you like it
[04:05] <princemackenzie> http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/warty/warty-release-live-i386.iso
[04:05] <princemackenzie> cindux
[04:05] <jpcl> Ok, I'm going back to knoppix then...
[04:05] <princemackenzie> then burn the ISO to a cd
[04:05] <princemackenzie> and go.
[04:05] <Cindux> :P
[04:05] <Cindux> same as dsl :d
[04:05] <Cindux> thansk alot
[04:05] <princemackenzie> yes.
[04:05] <princemackenzie> no problem.
[04:05] <cutterjohn> darmou, yep there are a whole slew of mono-xxx that you need, plus you'll need to take your time looking through the other gtk# for package pieces, it may also be a good idea to look for cil in names only under synaptic...
[04:05] <princemackenzie> and don't say "screenshits" anymore
[04:05] <eruin> paxmaster: just enter your user password
[04:05] <eruin> paxmaster: and search wiki.ubuntulinux.org for sudo
[04:06] <Cindux> oh and thats the newest release right?
[04:06] <eruin> don't you read about a distro at all before you start using it? :P
[04:06] <fdas> i cant find my problem on the forums
[04:06] <paxmaster> it a live cd and i didn't create a password
[04:06] <princemackenzie> warty is the most recent stable release... the 1st release.  hoary is the 2nd but its not close to being done yet.
[04:06] <princemackenzie> warty is recent as of october 2004
[04:07] <cutterjohn> actually I've been pretty impressed by mono speeds under linux, esp when compared to IBM's Java...
[04:07] <cutterjohn> (powerpc)
[04:07] <paxmaster> trying to do apt-get or dselect < superusers >
[04:07] <Cindux> k
[04:07] <Cindux> dling it now
[04:08] <princemackenzie> good good.
[04:08] <Cindux> im gonna go try out gknoppix etc
[04:08] <Cindux> so be on later
[04:08] <princemackenzie> the default gnome desktop isn't the prettiest IMO but is easy to change.
[04:08] <Arkainium> does gnome come with a menu editor?
[04:08] <neighborlee> Arkainium, nope
[04:09] <mebaran> the XFCE desktop is exactly as it should be
[04:09] <neighborlee> Arkainium, you must ( for  now) use: nautilus: Applications:///
[04:09] <mebaran> to me
[04:09] <occy> I thought j2se was in multiverse?
[04:09] <neighborlee> Arkainium, not ideal but it works <G>
[04:09] <mebaran> I never have been big on huge environments like KDE
[04:09] <Cindux> whats the official OS name ?
[04:09] <mebaran> I like command line
[04:09] <Cindux> j/w
[04:09] <Pluk> mebaran, not for me .. had to work a little to suit my needs/desires
[04:09] <Arkainium> neighborlee, cool, didn't even know about that.  thanks
[04:09] <cutterjohn> GNOME isnt far behind KDE in bloat these days
[04:09] <neighborlee> Arkainium, np ;-)
[04:09] <mebaran> I like command line
[04:09] <mebaran> just me
[04:09] <neighborlee> Arkainium, as I say its not ideal but ;-))
[04:09] <mebaran> for some reason
[04:10] <mebaran> maybe it is the FreeBSD
[04:10] <princemackenzie> ubuntu linux...
[04:10] <Cindux> er ?
[04:10] <Cindux> i meant ver
[04:10] <mebaran> they told me in school to stay away from Drugs
[04:10] <Cindux> lol
[04:10] <Cindux> like
[04:10] <princemackenzie> warty warthog is version 4.10
[04:10] <Cindux> and thats the one on website
[04:10] <Cindux> ubuntu.org or w/e
[04:10] <princemackenzie> the numbers are just based on the year/month it was released tho.
[04:11] <fdas> PLEASE I NEED HELP
[04:11] <princemackenzie> www.ubuntulinux.org... to be honest Cindux, i'm not sure what you are asking.
[04:11] <neighborlee> fdas, whats up
[04:11] <fdas> FOR SOME REASON ITS ASKING FOR THE UBUNTU CD BUT IT TRYS TO READ IT THEN ASKS FOR IT AGAIN
[04:11] <Arkainium> neighborlee, why not?
[04:11] <Cindux> just wondering becuz this mirror is a bit slow
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> fdas: please, no caps
[04:11] <fdas> i cant get by this
[04:11] <fdas> kkk
[04:11] <fdas> its just that sometimes i feel like on not being herd
[04:11] <princemackenzie> www.ubuntulinux.org is where you can find more mirrors Cindux.
[04:11] <princemackenzie> no worries fdas
[04:11] <Cindux> er confused lol
[04:11] <Cindux> i saw no live distro dls
[04:12] <neighborlee> Arkainium, its not the most friendly of ways to do things is what I mean...should be either a MENU item or they need a 'button' to press so its more obvious..
[04:12] <Cindux> thats why
[04:12] <Cindux> i ask
[04:12] <princemackenzie> cindux
[04:12] <neighborlee> fdas, heh big channel
[04:12] <princemackenzie> i linked you to one =P
[04:12] <Cindux> i kn ow lol
[04:12] <fdas> ?
[04:12] <cutterjohn> the only live ubuntu cd is for x86(IA32)
[04:12] <princemackenzie> fdas: many people having many convos man, it can get lost
[04:12] <neighborlee> btw..does ubuntu livecd have rescue mode ?
[04:13] <fdas> kk
[04:13] <Cindux> bla im ont being specific enough
[04:13] <fdas> i just need some help
[04:13] <Cindux> i meant
[04:13] <Cindux> on the mirror
[04:13] <fdas> becuase i cant get into the system
[04:13] <Cindux> which would i download ?
[04:13] <neighborlee> fdas, PM me if you wish
[04:13] <cutterjohn> (I only recall the failsafe GDM logins, as init 2 goes multi-user/graphical)
[04:13] <fdas> i just installed ubuntu on my laptop
[04:13] <fdas> kkk thanx
[04:13] <neighborlee> np
[04:14] <cutterjohn> (a single user mode should really be added)
[04:15] <cutterjohn> darmou, let me know when you get your mono environment setup and have compiled monodevelop.  Mine is dying once in a while when I try to start it with a SIGILL...
[04:16] <darmou> I just install monodevelop did not need to compile it
[04:16] <bronson> Is there a Hoary IRC channel?
[04:16] <darmou> Still can't get gtk# stuff compiled
[04:16] <darmou> I'll try finding the dir which the assemblies are located
[04:17] <stuNNed> darmou, direct from source or source with apt?
[04:17] <cutterjohn> darmou, are you using hoary?
[04:17] <OddAbe19> bronson, no
[04:18] <OddAbe19> i use hoary, and i haven't had anyproblems
[04:18] <mebaran> OddAbe19: are you on i386?
[04:18] <OddAbe19> k7, but yeah
[04:18] <mebaran> OddAbe19: you definitely are
[04:18] <cutterjohn> darmou, did you make sure that you got all of the cil libs for gtk#?
[04:18] <darmou> cutterjohn yes
[04:18] <OddAbe19> mebaran, what's up
[04:18] <darmou> cutterjohn root@firebird:/usr/share/dotnet/mono # ls
[04:18] <darmou> 1.0  2.0  gac  gecko-sharp  gtk-sharp  monodoc
[04:19] <mebaran> My Evolution still wont work
[04:19] <mebaran> Its contact segment is rather broken
[04:19] <OddAbe19> i don't use evolution, but lemmie see if it launches
[04:19] <cutterjohn> darmou, you're missing most of it
[04:19] <mebaran> I cant manage contacts at all
[04:19] <OddAbe19> it could be broken
[04:19] <darmou> am I? what do I need to look for?
[04:19] <cutterjohn> moylan@tertius:/usr/share/dotnet $ ls
[04:19] <cutterjohn> bin  blam  gtk-sharp-examples  lib  mono  monodoc
[04:19] <OddAbe19> i don't know anything about evolution
[04:19] <OddAbe19> i'm sorry
[04:19] <mebaran> OddAbe19: it probably is
[04:19] <OddAbe19> you could try #evolution, if that's a channel
[04:19] <mebaran> I filed a bug report
[04:19] <mebaran> hah
[04:19] <mebaran> worth a try
[04:20] <OddAbe19> meh
[04:20] <OddAbe19> :-P
[04:20] <mebaran> doesnt exist
[04:20] <OddAbe19> lol
[04:20] <mebaran> I had my very own chatroom
[04:20] <mebaran> !
[04:20] <OddAbe19> check their site, they should have some contact info
[04:20] <OddAbe19> on irc
[04:20] <OddAbe19> through novell or something
[04:20] <mebaran> yeah
[04:20] <cutterjohn> darmou, maybe not moylan@tertius:/usr/share/dotnet/mono $ ls
[04:20] <cutterjohn> 1.0  2.0  gac  gecko-sharp  gtk-sharp  monodoc
[04:20] <mebaran> that would make sense
[04:21] <OddAbe19> http://support.novell.com/
[04:22] <OddAbe19> there ya go mebaran, they have forums and what not
[04:22] <mebaran> haha
[04:22] <mebaran> I will try them
[04:22] <cutterjohn> darmou moylan@tertius:/usr/share/dotnet/mono $ ls /usr/lib/mono/gtk-sharp/
[04:22] <cutterjohn> art-sharp.dll    gconf-sharp-peditors.dll  glade-sharp.dll    gnome-sharp.dll    gtksourceview-sharp.dll  rsvg-sharp.dll
[04:22] <cutterjohn> atk-sharp.dll    gda-sharp.dll             glib-sharp.dll     gtkhtml-sharp.dll  monodoc.dll              vte-sharp.dll
[04:22] <cutterjohn> gconf-sharp.dll  gdk-sharp.dll             gnomedb-sharp.dll  gtk-sharp.dll      pango-sharp.dll
[04:22] <OddAbe19> novell sucks
[04:22] <mebaran> I think they just miscompiled it for AMD64
[04:22] <OddAbe19> OMG paste whore
[04:22] <eruin> .dll
[04:22] <OddAbe19> maybe
[04:22] <mebaran> whoever maintains the package
[04:22] <eruin> .dlls scare me
[04:22] <mojo> pastie pastie five dolla
[04:22] <OddAbe19> but it would'nt work at all then mebaran
[04:22] <mebaran> dlls's I thought linux called everything windows
[04:22] <erich> Is there a fix for the glxgears-dri problem?
[04:22] <mebaran> well the functions of evolution
[04:22] <mebaran> Contact
[04:23] <mebaran> alwasy end up crashing
[04:23] <OddAbe19> it's possible
[04:23] <mebaran> so they might have mis done the linking of the libs
[04:23] <OddAbe19> or it could just be broken or not compatable
[04:23] <mebaran> MAD^$!!!
[04:23] <mebaran> is an anagram of AMD64
[04:23] <cutterjohn> ...and do a file on them... file art-sharp.dll
[04:23] <OddAbe19> but knowing novell, i wouldn't be shocked :-P
[04:23] <cutterjohn> art-sharp.dll: MS Windows PE 32-bit Intel 80386 console DLL
[04:23] <mebaran> took forever to get open office to work
[04:23] <mebaran> what else is there
[04:23] <mebaran> I dont need any of the fancy features of evolution
[04:23] <mebaran> just need a simple gtk app
[04:23] <mebaran> or what not
[04:23] <OddAbe19> i use thunderbird
[04:24] <mebaran> thunderbird do contacts?
[04:24] <mebaran> like I like to keep phone numbers and bdays
[04:24] <pe7er> ext3 fixed. now shouldn't that have been prevented by the journal? why isn't ubuntu reiser-based... philosophic or technical reasons? [IF it is that good as the homepage says, of course, but its pretty impressive] 
[04:24] <OddAbe19> mebaran, IIRC
[04:24] <OddAbe19> i switched to webased gmail
[04:24] <OddAbe19> since
[04:24] <wasabi> pe7er: ubuntu asks you what fs you want to use at install.
[04:24] <mebaran> IIRC?
[04:24] <wasabi> or picks ext3
[04:24] <OddAbe19> If i recall correctly
[04:24] <mebaran> I have pop enabled on my gmail
[04:24] <mebaran> so a pop client is nice
[04:24] <wasabi> (i think)
[04:24] <cutterjohn> wasabi: it asked on my install...
[04:25] <mebaran> esp since my work blocks gmail (G-d knows why)
[04:25] <wasabi> and ext3 because it's very safe
[04:25] <mebaran> but not pop
[04:25] <mojo> thunderbird contacts have notes and a couple undefined fields... but not free-structured so far as I know
[04:25] <wasabi> reiserfs is a pos
[04:25] <OddAbe19> reiser4 is nice
[04:25] <mebaran> brb
[04:25] <mebaran> just updated
[04:25] <OddAbe19> actually
[04:25] <pe7er> pos?
[04:26] <mebaran> well xorg didnt die
[04:26] <mebaran> thank G-d
[04:26] <cutterjohn> wasabi: ext3 is safe, and also about the only one without probs until recently on non-x86 arch
[04:26] <OddAbe19> lol, i'm afraid of restartig X, i'm afraid it's going to die
[04:26] <pe7er> i just left 'safe defaults'. actually ubuntu install is damned good and i can luckily live without a graphical installer.
[04:26] <OddAbe19> after dist-upgrade
[04:26] <OddAbe19> tonight
[04:28] <pe7er> ahoi. nevertheless it failed on me. but that could have been hardware reasons.
[04:28] <mebaran> OddAbe19: didnt kill Xorg
[04:28] <pe7er> (wasabi, cutterjohn)
[04:28] <mebaran> for me
[04:28] <mebaran> restarted perfectly well
[04:28] <OddAbe19> lol, i'm scared of that, it upgrade a hell of alot
[04:28] <mebaran> yeah
[04:28] <mebaran> I get scared too
[04:28] <OddAbe19> but, heh... it's the price of success :-P
[04:29] <mebaran> there are more mismatched dependencies in Ubuntu than I found in Debian Sid
[04:29] <mebaran> but then again
[04:29] <mebaran> Debian Sid didnt follow gnome quite so close to the knife
[04:29] <cutterjohn> wasabi, pe7er: well, the only reason that I stuck with ext3 myself is that I'm on powerpc arch, and don't quite trust the alls ok with reiser w/powerpc yet...
[04:29] <OddAbe19> no
[04:29] <mebaran> hmm?
[04:29] <OddAbe19> i didn't follow sid, i felt like being adventorous... went for apt-get -t experimental
[04:30] <OddAbe19> heh... yeah, i didn't have a working system for long
[04:31] <binbin> hey is there java of plugin for firefox 1.0 that works?
[04:31] <princemackenzie> binbin
[04:31] <darmou> cutterjohn that whole dir you showed me is there
[04:31] <princemackenzie> yes.
[04:31] <darmou> I just can't understand it:(
[04:31] <binbin> which one?
[04:31] <princemackenzie> can i link you to instructions?
[04:31] <VivekVC> When i try to install mysql using  apt-get install mysql, i get the following message
[04:32] <cutterjohn> darmou, so what kind of errors do you get when you try to build gtk# apps?
[04:32] <VivekVC> Package mysql is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:32] <VivekVC> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:32] <VivekVC> is only available from another source
[04:32] <princemackenzie> binbin: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[04:32] <VivekVC> How should i proceed from here?
[04:32] <binbin> princemackenzie... thanks
[04:32] <princemackenzie> section 4 is about java and firefox.  i did that and it worked perfectly.
[04:33] <Pluk> VivekVC, try mysql-server
[04:33] <darmou> join #flood cutterjohn to see
[04:34] <VivekVC> Pluk: Thanks, its working.
[04:34] <Pluk> your welcome
[04:34] <VivekVC> laters
[04:34] <mebaran> OddAbe19: apt-get -t experimental?
[04:34] <knghtbrd> anyone here have experience with VoIP stuff?
[04:35] <mebaran> so dangerous they dont tell us newbies about it
[04:35] <OddAbe19> yeah, there are experimental repos, basically, ALPHA stage software
[04:35] <mebaran> haha
[04:35] <mebaran> yes
[04:35] <mebaran> if you acutally need your computer
[04:35] <mebaran> I approve
[04:35] <OddAbe19> lol
[04:35] <mebaran> unfortunately I have to work
[04:35] <darmou> /home/darmou/HelloWorld.cs(18) error CS0246: Cannot find type `DeleteEventArgs'
[04:35] <darmou> /home/darmou/HelloWorld.cs(2) error CS0246: The namespace `Gtk' can not be found (missing assembly reference?)
[04:35] <darmou>     Try using -r:gtk-sharp
[04:35] <darmou> /home/darmou/HelloWorld.cs(3) error CS0246: The namespace `GtkSharp' can not be found (missing assembly reference?)
[04:35] <darmou>     Try using -r:gtk-sharp
[04:35] <darmou> /home/darmou/HelloWorld.cs(5) error CS0246: The namespace `System.Drawing' can not be found (missing assembly reference?)
[04:35] <mebaran> my computer doesnt just hold down papers
[04:35] <darmou>     Try using -r:System.Drawing
[04:35] <darmou> Compilation failed: 4 error(s), 0 warnings
[04:35] <OddAbe19> OMG, PASTE WHORE
[04:35] <mebaran> it makes papers to hold down too
[04:35] <OddAbe19> lol
[04:35] <knghtbrd> GtkSharp?
[04:35] <xquizit> Hello, how do i start and stop daemons?
[04:36] <knghtbrd> eww
[04:36] <knghtbrd> Miguel's Folly.
[04:36] <cutterjohn> darmou, did you try mcs -pkg:gtk-sharp sourcegtk.cs ?
[04:36] <OddAbe19> xquizit, /etc/init.d/servicexxxxxx stop
[04:36] <xquizit> OddAbe19, Thanks :)
[04:36] <OddAbe19> xquizit, basicall goto /etc/init.d
[04:36] <OddAbe19> then ls
[04:37] <OddAbe19> then stop the services with xxxxxxxxxx(deamon name) stop
[04:37] <cutterjohn> darmou, it should work after adding the -pkg:gtk-sharp option...
[04:37] <darmou> /home/darmou/HelloWorld.cs(5) error CS0246: The namespace `System.Drawing' can not be found (missing assembly reference?)
[04:37] <darmou>     Try using -r:System.Drawing
[04:37] <mebaran> OddAbe19: we prefer the term paster of ill repute :)
[04:37] <OddAbe19> lol
[04:37] <OddAbe19> damn, it's cold here 5degrees Farenheit, -14 windchill
[04:38] <OddAbe19> my apartment if freezing
[04:38] <cutterjohn> darmou, is that HelloWorld.cs the one from the examples directory?
[04:38] <darmou> ahh ok I'll try one from there
[04:38] <princemackenzie> where are you oddabe19
[04:38] <OddAbe19> Pennsylvania
[04:38] <OddAbe19> USA
[04:38] <stuNNed> OddAbe19, what part?
[04:38] <OddAbe19> lancaster
[04:38] <OddAbe19> area
[04:38] <stuNNed> around bucks county?
[04:38] <OddAbe19> na
[04:38] <stuNNed> ok
[04:38] <princemackenzie> im in jersey... its 7 here.
[04:38] <OddAbe19> further west
[04:39] <OddAbe19> jersey
[04:39] <OddAbe19> it's bad enough it's a jersey... but for crying out loud... a NEW jersey
[04:39] <OddAbe19> 'New Jersey, the only state that seccessfully outclasses Delaware"
[04:39] <OddAbe19> :-P
[04:40] <OddAbe19> i have to bust on it whenever i can
[04:40] <OddAbe19> haha
[04:40] <princemackenzie> it is gross here.
[04:40] <darmou> One from the examples dir worked ok, why would you need the -pkg option I wonder
[04:40] <cutterjohn> darmou, barring that your own HelloWorld.cs might be specifying classes in an unusual way, as system.drawing should be part of the base package.  You may also, possibly be using a non-implemented function if you're not doing pure gtk-sharp...
[04:41] <princemackenzie> you however, being "west of Lancaster" would be considered what we all "pennsyltucky"
[04:41] <princemackenzie> *call
[04:41] <cutterjohn> darmou, according to the gtk-sharp FAQ, it is apparently poorly designed such that it expects to only be installed where the original gtk=sharp developers put it.  Debian/ubuntu guys moved it, so it needs to be told.
[04:41] <OddAbe19> Fry: "Price is good, looks great, what's wrong with the apartment?" Landlord: "Well, technically we're in New Jersey" NEXT SCENE Fry: "There are no good apartments anywhere"
[04:41] <OddAbe19> actually, i live in Lancaster City
[04:42] <OddAbe19> west of bucks county is what i meant
[04:42] <princemackenzie> still nicer than jersey city
[04:42] <OddAbe19> true... if you like amish
[04:42] <cutterjohn> darmou, I'd check your HelloWorld against what is supported by mono, and otherwise check for errors against gtk-sharp...
[04:43] <kquamme94> well, i am just about finished with the fresh warty install
[04:43] <kquamme94> man, didn't realize how much work i had spent setting it up the 1st time
[04:43] <cutterjohn> darmou, and I'd also look at your class imports, something may be funny there, but Id really expect a different error...
[04:43] <princemackenzie> aye, well, conisder your linux l33tness vs theirs.
[04:44] <OddAbe19> haha
[04:44] <darmou> well another example in the gtk-examples called GnomeHelloWorld spits out errors also
[04:44] <blood105> hi
[04:44] <princemackenzie> howdy blood.
[04:44] <darmou>  mcs -pkg:gtk-sharp GnomeHelloWorld.cs
[04:44] <darmou> GnomeHelloWorld.cs(48) error CS0246: Cannot find type `IconList'
[04:44] <darmou> GnomeHelloWorld.cs(151) error CS0246: Cannot find type `Gnome.IconSelectedArgs'
[04:44] <darmou> GnomeHelloWorld.cs(11) error CS0246: The namespace `Gnome' can not be found (missing assembly reference?)
[04:44] <OddAbe19> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH another pasting whore
[04:44] <OddAbe19> :-P
[04:44] <blood105> im having trouble getting my isdn TA to work in ubuntu
[04:44] <darmou> is there a gnome package in which case how do you specify it
[04:44] <blood105> its usb and noone can help me :(
[04:45] <darmou> ie mcs -pkg:gtk-sharp:gnome GnomeHelloWorld.cs ?
[04:45] <princemackenzie> hmmm... well maybe someone here can... not me tho.
[04:45] <princemackenzie> sry
[04:45] <OddAbe19> blood105, goto linuxcompatable(?).com and see if it is supported
[04:45] <blood105> ooh ooh
[04:45] <princemackenzie> http://www.linuxcompatible.org/
[04:46] <OddAbe19> yeah, that's the bugger
[04:46] <blood105> http://linuxcompatible.org/
[04:46] <blood105> yeah
[04:46] <gangalino> how do I remove desktop icons such as /home/ & trash? I had it before, but I had to reinstall the ubuntu-desktop
[04:46] <cutterjohn> darmou, -pkg:gtk-sharp -> -pkg:gnome-sharp
[04:46] <blood105> linux != .com
[04:47] <cutterjohn> darmou, going to afk for a few...
[04:47] <princemackenzie> gangalino: apps > system tools > config editor
[04:47] <darmou> ok thanks
[04:47] <OddAbe19> smile for the screen shoot
[04:47] <princemackenzie> then apps > nautilus > desktop
[04:47] <princemackenzie> got that?
[04:48] <gangalino> princemackenzie: then desktop/?
[04:48] <princemackenzie> there should be a desktop folder under the nautilus section
[04:49] <princemackenzie> then you can uncheck the icons
[04:49] <princemackenzie> computer_icon_visible and whatnot
[04:50] <gangalino> ahh yes, thx
[04:50] <princemackenzie> okay good :-P
[04:51] <Destructo> k back
[04:51] <Destructo> when i run dmesg .. i have a long list of Device Not ready . Make sure there is a disc in the drive
[04:52] <bj_> any hoary'ers just get a huge upgrade?
[04:52] <bj_> Cause i did
[04:52] <OddAbe19> yeah
[04:52] <OddAbe19> it's mostly xorg stuff though
[04:52] <OddAbe19> i haven't restarted X yes
[04:52] <OddAbe19> yet
[04:52] <OddAbe19> *
[04:52] <bj_> i wonder if anything  is different
[04:53] <OddAbe19> probably bug fixes
[04:53] <bj_> yay
[04:53] <OddAbe19> not really a version chang
[04:53] <kquamme94> if your concerned about display issues, don't go hoary
[04:54] <kquamme94> it worked fine on an older machine of mine
[04:54] <kquamme94> but has issues with my emachine that i'm on right now
[04:54] <OddAbe19> i haven't had any problems with hoary yet
[04:54] <OddAbe19> but i'm special :-P
[04:54] <princemackenzie> you are
[04:54] <OddAbe19> kquamme94, it's e-machines.. that's why
[04:54] <OddAbe19> :-P
[04:54] <OddAbe19> j/k
[04:54] <kquamme94> i agree that hoary is great, because i love it on the other machine
[04:55] <kquamme94> but i've tried 3 times to get hoary working on the emachine
[04:55] <kquamme94> it worked pretty good the 1st time
[04:55] <kquamme94> but i did a daily updates and somewhere it broke
[04:55] <kquamme94> i do agree with you abe
[04:56] <kquamme94> it is sorta a big piece of crap
[04:56] <OddAbe19> i guess it's a flip of the coin for hoary
[04:56] <OddAbe19> fortunately, i've gotten all heads
[04:56] <OddAbe19> :-P
[04:56] <mebaran> haha
[04:56] <kquamme94> intel stuff in it is harder then heck to get support for no matter what distro i use
[04:56] <kquamme94> ubuntu warty seems to be the best though
[04:56] <mebaran> OddAbe19: there have been sometimes some weird gnome dependencies
[04:57] <mebaran> that luckily got solved
[04:57] <princemackenzie> warty is "best distro ever" as far as im concerned
[04:57] <mebaran> haha
[04:57] <cutterjohn> darmou, I'm back, I suspect that the -pkg switch is like the -pkg-config that you use to compile gnome/gtk(mm) stuff with gcc, supplying all library/include paths and library refs...
[04:57] <Josip> hello, how can i get @uname.user ?
[04:57] <darmou>  mcs HelloWorld.cs -pkg:gtk-sharp -r:System.Drawing
[04:57] <mebaran> any of you know a good email contact manager
[04:57] <darmou> Compilation succeeded
[04:57] <randabis> I likes my hoary :p
[04:57] <mebaran> smaller than evolution
[04:57] <princemackenzie> maybe if i could get flux to work... then i'd be in heaven.
[04:57] <cam> hi guys i was using the old fglrx XFree driver, but now im trying to install the xorg driver its giving me this error
[04:57] <mebaran> I dont need any of the fancy stuff
[04:57] <cam> Removing `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-driver'
[04:57] <cam> dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2' with
[04:57] <cam>   different file `/usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2', not allowed
[04:57] <kquamme94> i'll just stick with the trusty warthog until the hedgehog is ready for my burdens
[04:57] <OddAbe19> AHHHHHHHHH paste whore
[04:57] <darmou> ok so I need to update my pkg-config?
[04:57] <randabis> mebaran I think thunderbird has a contacts manager
[04:57] <mebaran> good one
[04:57] <mebaran> ?
[04:58] <mebaran> with a calendar
[04:58] <mebaran> and ability for Bday stuff
[04:58] <cam> OddAbe: paste whore is more like pasting 10 lines?
[04:58] <OddAbe19> meh
[04:58] <randabis> no it doesn't have all that
[04:58] <OddAbe19> lol
[04:58] <cutterjohn> X.org: does anyone run it with builtin accelereation on ATI Rage Mobility M3?  Any problems with it?
[04:58] <OddAbe19> i just feel like being an ass
[04:58] <kquamme94> would you guys like a screenshot of my fresh install?
[04:58] <cam> congrats on the good job ;)
[04:59] <OddAbe19> sure
[04:59] <bob2> lord
[04:59] <randabis> oh noes!
[05:00] <cutterjohn> darmou, no it should already be done for you, but you'll have to specify via the -pkg option for various frameworks for the time being.  Hopefully it'll get automated someday maybe...
[05:00] <princemackenzie> "no" as a plural confuses me
[05:00] <cam> dpkg: error processing fglrx-driver (--remove):
[05:00] <cam>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2
[05:00] <randabis> rawr
[05:00] <Destructo> so any experts about a weird question / issue
[05:00] <darmou> ok thanks cutterjohn
[05:01] <kquamme94> http://teamproq.ipowerhosts.com/11805.gif
[05:01] <kquamme94> check that out
[05:02] <kquamme94> it's my mac-inized desktop
[05:03] <cutterjohn> kquamme94: what theme is that?
[05:03] <randabis> my OSPenquin > your OSPenguin
[05:03] <kquamme94> i few combined :)
[05:03] <HostingGeek> helix alert
[05:03] <kquamme94> i can tell ya the names
[05:03] <kquamme94> or send ya the files
[05:04] <randabis> http://img28.exs.cx/img28/9176/lol0xi.jpg
[05:04] <randabis> OSPenguin :p
[05:04] <cutterjohn> kquamme94: the names would be great.
[05:04] <kquamme94> randabis: i like it
[05:04] <princemackenzie> how does one do that transparent terminal
[05:04] <kquamme94> ale-panther2
[05:05] <kquamme94> and
[05:05] <froust> Can anyone tell me a good mp3 player for linux?
[05:05] <kquamme94> apphole
[05:05] <princemackenzie> xmms
[05:05] <mindphasr> amarok
[05:05] <kquamme94> xmms
[05:05] <randabis> vlc, rhythmbox
[05:05] <Seq> muine or rhythmbox
[05:06] <randabis> Transparent terminal...you have to use something besides gnome-terminal
[05:06] <mindphasr> only xmms and amaraok have equalizers.
[05:06] <kquamme94> cutterjohn: use ale-panther-2 for controls and apphole for the window boarder
[05:06] <kent> randabis, that thing in the upperleft corner, what is it? next to the menu..
[05:06] <randabis> I use Terminal of xfce fame
[05:06] <randabis> show desktop button
[05:06] <froust> what is the mp3 plugin for rhythmbox?
[05:06] <cutterjohn> kquamme94: thx
[05:06] <kquamme94> how did you get the mac-like launcher at the bottom? is it a desklet?
[05:06] <randabis> gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:06] <kquamme94> cutterjohn: np
[05:06] <fdas> vlc rules
[05:06] <randabis> yeah it's a gdesklet
[05:07] <kquamme94> cutterjohn: took me awhile to find that right combo
[05:07] <qazwer> beep
[05:07] <regeya> gst-dangitthanksrandabis
[05:07] <kquamme94> randabis: where do i go to find it?
[05:07] <cutterjohn> kquamme94: you know back in the day, there used to be a window manager that emulated classic macos look & feel...
[05:07] <randabis> do you already have gdesklets installed with gdesklets-data?
[05:07] <princemackenzie> yes i want to know how to rice out my screen like that
[05:08] <princemackenzie> i do =P
[05:08] <stuNNed> lol
[05:08] <stuNNed> it is of the uber rice
[05:08] <randabis> princemackensie you need to use another terminal program such as Eterm or Terminal
[05:08] <kquamme94> randabis: now i do :)
[05:08] <randabis> I use Terminal
[05:08] <randabis> kquamme it's called starterbar
[05:08] <kquamme94> k
[05:08] <qazwer> i think beep better xmms
[05:09] <mindphasr> Which version of x.org did transparency start to appear in?
[05:09] <randabis> I'm gonna check out beep now just because I like having lots of choices
[05:09] <Destructo> damn i getting the weirdest errors
[05:09] <mindphasr> randabis: Check out amarok..
[05:10] <randabis> ok will do
[05:10] <randabis> is it in the repos?
[05:10] <cutterjohn> aterm will do it too...
[05:11] <kquamme94> i can't get gdesklets to start
[05:11] <princemackenzie> http://img99.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img99&image=screenshot27sl.jpg
[05:12] <princemackenzie> is how im looking now
[05:12] <mindphasr> randabis: yeah, it is but I suggest to download from source and get the 1.2 beta3
[05:12] <kquamme94> i ran it in terminal and it said something about gtk-mainloop being deprecated
[05:12] <stuNNed> ok this beep cr*p just crashed gnome-panel forget that
[05:12] <kquamme94> would that affect it
[05:12] <randabis> not sure, works in hoary
[05:13] <mindphasr> beep is just a port of xmms to gtk2
[05:13] <kquamme94> maybe i just have to wait and do a reboot
[05:13] <randabis> there's a guide to gdesklets on the ubuntu forums also that might help
[05:13] <mindphasr> kquamme94: This isn't windows.. you never need to reboot unless you are installing new kernel :)
[05:14] <kquamme94> mindphasr: lol, well what about an X restart
[05:14] <kquamme94> i did just update some of that stuff
[05:15] <Kyuuketsuki> hello all
[05:15] <mindphasr> kquamme94: That is best way to restart gnome, yeah
[05:16] <Kyuuketsuki> is it?
[05:16] <kquamme94> mindphasr: i'm not too concerned with it.... i'm actually concerned it will clutter my screen
[05:16] <kquamme94> mindphasr: i'll worry about it tomorrow
[05:17] <mindphasr> k
[05:17] <randabis> err
[05:17] <randabis> no way to add a whole directory in beep?
[05:17] <kquamme94> is there a good terminal to dl right now that i can make transparent?
[05:17] <randabis> Eterm, aterm, Terminal
[05:18] <mindphasr> kquamme94: gnome-terminal, rxvt, eterm, aterm...
[05:18] <kquamme94> terminal it is
[05:19] <princemackenzie> im d/ling aterm now
[05:19] <randabis> okay, I already don't like amarok :p
[05:19] <randabis> qt app
[05:19] <princemackenzie> i have aterm up... how do i make it transparent?
[05:20] <princemackenzie> apologies for n00bness btw
[05:20] <cutterjohn> aterm
[05:20] <randabis> I don't use aterm so I don't know
[05:20] <princemackenzie> eh, im just gonna relax about it
[05:20] <thenuke> I dont know either but you could google it up :)
[05:21] <mindphasr> princemackenzie: aterm +tr
[05:22] <kquamme94> yey, got that done
[05:22] <kquamme94> i should make it start up on boot up
[05:22] <cutterjohn> +tr IIRC
[05:22] <princemackenzie> hmm
[05:22] <princemackenzie> the +TR is doing nothing
[05:22] <princemackenzie> i mean
[05:22] <princemackenzie> +tr
[05:22] <cutterjohn> lowercase
[05:22] <princemackenzie> no caps.
[05:23] <princemackenzie> eh no worries
[05:23] <princemackenzie> i can live without i think.
[05:23] <randabis> in Terminal you just edit your preferences :)
[05:23] <cutterjohn> there is a way of changing the transparency level, but I don't recall the switch at the moment, try man aterm
[05:24] <kquamme94> brb
[05:24] <randabis> so, beep users, there's no way to add a whole directory to beep?
[05:24] <randabis> if not it loses :p
[05:24] <cutterjohn> randabis, doesn't terminal require a good chunk of gnustep?
[05:25] <randabis> not sure I just used the installer
[05:25] <neighborlee> does anyone have audio working with the mozilla-plugin-vlc with say a .mov file ?..im trying to play a .mov at startrek.com and its not doing the audio ;)
[05:25] <randabis> and apt-getted the things it said it needed
[05:25] <randabis> it needs dbus, I know that
[05:26] <mindphasr> cutterjohn: hes using xfce terminal
[05:26] <wasabi> Um. I just upgraded to hoary to give it a go. As soon as the kernel boots, it says "Enter password:" now.
[05:26] <princemackenzie> i found how to affect the transparency via google
[05:26] <kquamme94> that didn't work quite as planned
[05:26] <wasabi> But, the keybaord doesn't work, and I dont know WHAT password
[05:26] <kquamme94> oh well, i have another idea
[05:26] <cutterjohn> mindphasr: oh, I forgot that xfce even had one, I was thinking terminal.app from gnustep..
[05:26] <mindphasr> cutterjohn: no one still uses gnustep ;)
[05:27] <kquamme94> lol
[05:27] <cutterjohn> mindphasr: I think that someone forgot to tell the developers as it looks like they've been pretty busy recently...
[05:27] <kquamme94> ok, well i'm out for the night, cya all later
[05:27] <princemackenzie> it is not worth the effort IMO
[05:28] <cutterjohn> (I just run OSX when I want openstep...)
[05:28] <mindphasr> cutterjohn: Yeah, making donation requests...Not knocking gnustep.. just saying it is no longer a dominate project
[05:28] <wasabi> well this kind of sucks
[05:28] <cutterjohn> mindphasr: was it ever one? };)
[05:29] <mindphasr> cutterjohn: Yeah, I used windowmaker for many years
[05:30] <mindphasr> WindowMaker and AfterStep were for a very long time the window manager of choice
[05:31] <Seq> i worked at an isp about three years ago, and two of us used windowmaker :) it was fun
[05:31] <cutterjohn> mindphasr: hmm.... in all the years and all the windowmanagers, I never really cared for those two...
[05:31] <jmhodges> ok
[05:31] <mindphasr> cutterjohn: Which did you prefer?
[05:32] <cutterjohn> mindphasr: really want to see indigo magic, or what is it now? 3dwm?
[05:32] <cutterjohn> er 5dwm
[05:32] <mindphasr> Never heard of indigo magic
[05:32] <mindphasr> I am a xfce guy myself
[05:32] <cutterjohn> mindphasr: I had been flipping between xfce + ROX, and fluxbox recently until I installed ubuntu...
[05:32] <jmhodges> anyone here know how to get past a dpkg-divert error?
[05:32] <mindphasr> xfce + nautilus here
[05:33] <mindphasr> jmhodges: what is the error?
[05:33] <jmhodges> well, its too long to retype
[05:33] <wasabi> Um. I just upgraded to hoary to give it a go. As soon as the kernel boots, it says "Enter password:" now. But, I dont know waht password, and the keyboard doesn't work
[05:33] <jmhodges> but the gist is
[05:34] <cutterjohn> mindphasr: actually I like indigo magic, because for a long time I used the real thing on an oxygen2, which made linux a toy....
[05:34] <cutterjohn> (at the time)
[05:34] <jmhodges> mindphasr flgrx-driver has a diversion on /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 but the new xorg using version of it depends on xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:34] <jmhodges> mindphasr but x-d-fglrx has its own diversion on libGL.so.1.2
[05:34] <jmhodges> mindphasr and they clash :(
[05:34] <jmhodges> so none of my X pkgs work
[05:35] <jmhodges> im sitting in a console with BitchX, w3m, and links (without ssl)
[05:35] <cutterjohn> :)
[05:35] <jmhodges> my google-fu gets weak when im in text web browsers heh
[05:35] <mindphasr> jmhodges: Yeah, that is a mess.. you'll have keep backtracking
[05:35] <cutterjohn> just like the good old days if you killed links
[05:35] <jmhodges> backtracking
[05:35] <jmhodges> ?
[05:35] <jmhodges> :(
[05:36] <jmhodges> at this point, i think im going to have in remove all of the pkgs that dpend on an X server though..
[05:36] <mindphasr> dpkg-divert can get you into trouble with version dependencies. I have never used it myself. Just checked out what it was
[05:36] <mindphasr> I can't really help there..not familiar enough with it
[05:36] <jmhodges> no one is
[05:37] <jmhodges> i cant even remove fglrx-driver because of it!
[05:37] <jmhodges> i may have to hand hack the diversion file
[05:37] <Guardiann> good evening
[05:37] <jmhodges> and thats going to be ugly.. i just know it
[05:37] <mindphasr> I have been using debian sid and now ubuntu for years and never once have I had to use dpkg-divert or have I heard of it
[05:37] <mindphasr> heh
[05:37] <mindphasr> Why are you using it?
[05:38] <erich> jmhodges: you cannot use the xorg ati driver?
[05:38] <erich> mindphasr: dpkg-divert is best to be called by packages.
[05:38] <jmhodges> erich im trying to!
[05:38] <jmhodges> but it wont install
[05:38] <jmhodges> because of the clashing diversions
[05:38] <mindphasr> erich: Kind of figured as much
[05:38] <erich> jmhodges: well, i stick with the xorg driver.
[05:39] <mindphasr> That's why I asked why he was using it
[05:39] <jmhodges> erich i was trying to use it!
[05:39] <erich> jmhodges: fglx is not the xorg driver, but the ati
[05:39] <jmhodges> erich i was in xfree86 until today
[05:39] <jmhodges> well, yesterday
[05:39] <jmhodges> i was in hoary, using xfree because im on ati
[05:39] <jmhodges> so i saw that ati had released their new drivers adn that daniels had kindly put the pkgs in the repo
[05:39] <erich> jmhodges: just install none of the *fglrx* packages
[05:39] <terminalpariah> Hi all, I am having some serious Gnome trouble and would really appreciate some advice.
[05:39] <jmhodges> but the update got borked all to hell
[05:39] <jmhodges> erich its a little late for that!
[05:40] <jmhodges> erich i can't even uninstall them because of the diversion errors
[05:40] <mindphasr> jmhodges: Just download the x.org source and compile the driver and throw it in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/
[05:40] <jmhodges> mindphasr but the xorg* pkgs wont install
[05:40] <erich> jmhodges: check the dpkg-divert manpage on how to remove the diversion
[05:40] <jmhodges> because of the diversoin errors
[05:40] <Guardiann> <terminalpariah what are the issues
[05:40] <jmhodges> erich that doesnt work
[05:40] <jmhodges> because its says that it would have to overwrite the file
[05:40] <erich> jmhodges: with what message?
[05:41] <erich> jmhodges: well, remove the file it would have to overwrite in advance
[05:41] <terminalpariah> I am running Hoary (I know to expect trouble) but now when I log in I just see my default background colour - background image doesn't get loaded, no splash screen, no desktop, no Gnome-panel, and it just hangs
[05:41] <terminalpariah> I can log in with failsafe gnome but things are terribly broken (i.e. window list applet does not work at all)
[05:41] <jmhodges> ....
[05:41] <jmhodges> erich thank you
[05:41] <Guardiann> i assume you rebooted
[05:42] <terminalpariah> Guardian: Yes, several times over the last few days.
[05:42] <Guardiann> did you do a fresh install or just upgrade
[05:42] <jmhodges> neighborlee you catch taht?
[05:42] <jmhodges> hehe
[05:42] <erich> terminalpariah: did everything install correctly?
[05:43] <terminalpariah> Guardiann: I moved from Sid to Hoary. Everything worked like a dream for about a month, then suddenly, this.
[05:43] <erich> terminalpariah: also check the log file in ~/.xsession-errors
[05:43] <Guardiann> i thought hoary was only a couple weeks old
[05:44] <Guardiann> i am using it now got it running last night
[05:44] <terminalpariah> Hm, I think I made the switch about three weeks ago.
[05:44] <terminalpariah> I am thinking of trashing my drive and starting fresh with Warty.
[05:44] <Guardiann> :) when it was really new
[05:44] <terminalpariah> heh
[05:44] <terminalpariah> Well it was amazing for a while
[05:44] <whiprush> terminalpariah: this used to happen to me, try `killall gnome-vfs-daemon trashapplet nautilus gnome-panel`
[05:45] <whiprush> then wait a few seconds
[05:45] <neighborlee> jmhodges, yup..kewl good luck ;-)
[05:45] <neighborlee> jmhodges, learn something new today <G>
[05:45] <terminalpariah> whiprush: I may have seen your post on the mailing list. I tried that same thing and no such luck. In fact, except for gnome-vfs-daemon none of those processes even start
[05:45] <jmhodges> neighborlee hehe
[05:45] <whiprush> terminalpariah: did you try launching them in a console afterwards?
[05:46] <Guardiann> maybe an idea to reinstall warty and then upgrade again to haory
[05:46] <terminalpariah> whiprush: I don't know how to start graphical applications from the console (they complain about no display)
[05:47] <whiprush> so you don't get anything in the gui, just like, a brown background?
[05:47] <terminalpariah> Exactly, yes
[05:47] <terminalpariah> and my cursor
[05:47] <whiprush> hmmm. Used to happen to me until just recently, the problem went away on one of the upgrades. :-/
[05:48] <terminalpariah> Yeah, I've been upgrading every day but no such luck. I'm starting to miss my computer.
[05:49] <terminalpariah> Now that I'm working I don't have the time/energy for beloved tinkering :)
[05:49] <whiprush> heh
[05:49] <erich> Those running hoary, can you run glxgears?
[05:49] <terminalpariah> Okay, well thanks for the lesson guys. Maybe I'll try and get Gnome to vomit some useful data into .xsession-errors
[05:49] <terminalpariah> I can now
[05:49] <whiprush> I keep (well, attempt) to keep my important stuff on warty still
[05:49] <terminalpariah> Xorg was broken for a while
[05:49] <terminalpariah> It wasn't loading NVidia's GLX libs
[05:50] <Destructo> damn i thought this usb adapter was going to be easy
[05:50] <terminalpariah> erich: thus causing glxinfo to segfault and glxgears to not start
[05:51] <terminalpariah> Thanks for the help everyone.
[05:51] <Kyuuketsuki> how do i install vmware beta
[05:52] <Kyuuketsuki> how do i run a .sh
[05:52] <froust> pah.
[05:52] <froust> no printer for me
[05:52] <jmhodges> er.. should i have GLcore enabled for a fglrx driver based xorg?
[05:52] <thenuke> Kyuuketsuki: try ./xx.sh
[05:52] <froust> andrew: our usb drives don't work either
[05:53] <elmaya> is xfce 4.2 on ubuntu?
[05:53] <jdub> not yet
[05:53] <elmaya> :(
[05:53] <jdub> it should hit hoary soonish
[05:54] <bj_> glxinfo just made x restartt
[05:54] <jdub> the xfce guys have packages that work on hoary
[05:54] <Kyuuketsuki> are you sure thats how to run it
[05:54] <Kyuuketsuki> i recall it being something different
[05:54] <erich> Kyuuketsuki: it is, but the file must be executable.
[05:54] <erich> Kyuuketsuki: or you run it "sh file.sh"
[05:54] <Kyuuketsuki> ok thats the one i recall
[05:55] <Kyuuketsuki> screw it i give up
[05:55] <erich> Kyuuketsuki: ./file does of course only work when the file is flagged executable, which downloaded files usually are not.
[05:55] <Kyuuketsuki> im about to give up on linux... i cant get shit to work
[05:55] <Kyuuketsuki> do i have to chmod it or somethign
[05:55] <erich> Kyuuketsuki: what happens with "sh file"?
[05:55] <Kyuuketsuki> /home/setite/vm-support.29118/etc/vmware
[05:56] <Kyuuketsuki> whoops
[05:56] <Kyuuketsuki> Usage: installer.sh {kind|version|convertdb|uninstall|uninstall_without_rpm}
[05:56] <Kyuuketsuki> so is that an uninstaller?
[05:56] <Kyuuketsuki> i already ran the .deb for vmware i thought it installed
[05:57] <Kyuuketsuki> setite@ubuntu:~ $ vm
[05:57] <Kyuuketsuki> vmnet-bridge         vmrun                vmware-loop
[05:57] <Kyuuketsuki> vmnet-dhcpd          vmstat               vmware-mount.pl
[05:57] <Kyuuketsuki> vmnet-natd           vm-support           vmware-ping
[05:57] <Kyuuketsuki> vmnet-netifup        vmware               vmware-vdiskmanager
[05:57] <Kyuuketsuki> vmnet-sniffer        vmware-config.pl
[05:57] <Kyuuketsuki> thats what it installed
[05:57] <Kyuuketsuki> but none of those runs
[05:57] <jdub> Kyuuketsuki: run vmware in a terminal; what happens?
[05:58] <Kyuuketsuki> setite@ubuntu:~ $ vmware
[05:58] <Kyuuketsuki> /usr/bin/vmware: line 85: /etc/vmware/locations: No such file or directory
[05:58] <Kyuuketsuki> /usr/bin/vmware: line 183: /lib/wrapper-gtk24.sh: No such file or directory
[05:58] <Kyuuketsuki> /usr/bin/vmware: line 183: exec: /lib/wrapper-gtk24.sh: cannot execute: No such file or directory
[05:58] <Kyuuketsuki> so do i need that gtk24?
[05:59] <jdub> read the vmware script and see what it's doing
[05:59] <Enzo386> hey
[05:59] <jdub> looks like there either a) are a bunch of files missing or b) the locations file is missing and determines where everything else is
[06:00] <Enzo386> can you guys help me out? i'm trying to get my wireless working, so i installed driverloader after install the kernel headers, and when i go to setup driverloader it says it can't detect my device. How can i get it to detect it?
[06:01] <whiprush> what kind of card?
[06:02] <Enzo386> Netgear MA521
[06:02] <cutterjohn> he might need to run vmware-config.pl maybe?
[06:02] <Kyuuketsuki> i did that
[06:02] <Kyuuketsuki> and it was ran through a really really really long list of files
[06:02] <neighborlee> anyone know if there are bugs in 'search' function via main menu ?..a file I know exists in /usr/lib isn't being found...?? ;-)
[06:02] <Kyuuketsuki> File: /home/setite/vm-2005-01-18.30199.tgz
[06:02] <Kyuuketsuki> Please attach this file when submitting an incident report.
[06:02] <Kyuuketsuki> To file a support incident, go to http://www.vmware.com/support/sr/sr_login.jsp
[06:03] <Kyuuketsuki> and ended with that
[06:03] <Enzo386> thats why i'm using driverloader... as linux doesn't support it. I get as far as uploading my drivers using driverloader, and after that it says: no devices detected to use submitted drivers, please submit drivers for your card, or put in your card. Except my card is in :-/
[06:03] <cutterjohn> (sorry, my best guess, as its been years since Ive run/installed vmware...)
[06:04] <whiprush> Enzo386: hmmm, don't know how to help you there.
[06:04] <bj_> how come stuff run as root in gnome doesnt ge themed? has a feaure of linux huh. userspace
[06:04] <whiprush> mako: ping
[06:04] <Enzo386> alright, i'll just have to try whatever :-p
[06:05] <stuNNed> what are the gtk-sharp-dev .deb's called in warty?
[06:05] <dubd> hello everyone, In a couple of days a lug is going to make an installfest. They will be selling the ubuntu installation discs that you (ubuntu.com) gave witouth chages. Do you, ubuntu developers, agree with theese?. Altough, the money will be used for making more linux events in our community.
[06:06] <dubd> this*
[06:07] <pd> whats the default NNTP reader people use here?
[06:14] <jdub> dubd: it's a bit crap, but there's nothing stopping you from doing it.
[06:15] <neighborlee> http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/VOY/episode/119520.html < Video > episode preview..would someone mind seeing if they can get audio along with that please ;-)
[06:15] <neighborlee> i have mozilla-plugin-vlc installed but only getting video
[06:16] <jmhodges> heya
[06:16] <jmhodges> back in XOrg
[06:16] <jmhodges> can't remember what pkg provides xorg.conf though
[06:16] <jmhodges> thanks guys
[06:16] <bob2> hrm?
[06:17] <bob2> it's generated when you install X
[06:17] <kquamme94> hey, i'm back, after i figured i was calling it a night..........
[06:17] <kquamme94> one more thing
[06:17] <kquamme94> can anyone help me with anonymizing my connections
[06:18] <jmhodges> bob2: yep, but i've installed a new vidcard since then
[06:18] <kquamme94> i installed privoxy and tor, but can't get em to work, are the services down right now?
[06:18] <kquamme94> or am i missing somthing
[06:18] <jmhodges> er.. since i last installed/used xorg i mean
[06:18] <jmhodges> i know theres a command to do this for me.. bah..
[06:18] <kquamme94> xorgcfg
[06:18] <kquamme94> auto-config
[06:19] <bob2> jmhodges: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:19] <bob2> might work
[06:19] <jmhodges> think i tried that
[06:19] <jmhodges> but ill look at the installed files of it
[06:19] <kquamme94> anyone here anonymize there connections?
[06:20] <stuNNed> bob2, hi, do you know name of -dev .deb for gtk-sharp?
[06:20] <bob2> stuNNed: libgtk-cil
[06:21] <stuNNed> bob2, that is the dev package or the whole thing?  what is name of nondev one?
[06:22] <bob2> I believe it's the same for c-sharp
[06:24] <wasabi> there is no non-dev one.
[06:24] <wasabi> the IL includes development info and runtime info at the same time.
[06:24] <HostingGeek> bob2: do you know who the maintainor for apache2 is? whats his/her(0_0) irc nick
[06:25] <sri_> has anybody gotten f-spot working?  mine seems to be broken for quite sometime
[06:25] <magnon> yeah, update it
[06:26] <magnon> vs
[06:26] <magnon> cvs*
[06:26] <magnon> works for me
[06:26] <sri_> from cvs?
[06:26] <magnon> yeah
[06:26] <sri_> I suppose I need to get the dev packages of mono?
[06:26] <magnon> yes.
[06:26] <sri_> ok
[06:26] <sri_> I'll do that.
[06:26] <sri_> how come the ubuntu package doesn't work? ;/
[06:26] <magnon> it'd be broken anyway ;)
[06:27] <magnon> there's a lot of rawk features in cvs now
[06:27] <magnon> lewing has really done some good work
[06:27] <whiprush> sri_: there was a packaging bug or something in the debian package, there was a workaround posted on bugs.debian.org.
[06:27] <Kyuuketsuki> rawk features eh?
[06:28] <sri_> whiprush: I'll check it out.
[06:30] <HostingGeek> omg lilo not here
[06:30] <Dishwasher> is anyone there?
[06:30] <Dishwasher> im i doing this right?
[06:30] <Dishwasher> im new to irc
[06:30] <Dishwasher> i needz help
[06:30] <Dishwasher> bad
[06:30] <HostingGeek> Dishwasher: no 283 people are not here
[06:30] <Dishwasher> did you not read what i said
[06:30] <Dishwasher> dont be a jerk man
[06:30] <sri_> my bug doesn't quite seem to be the same as whats in debian
[06:30] <Dishwasher> anyways they arent
[06:30] <Dishwasher> getting technical
[06:31] <Kyuuketsuki> your fine
[06:31] <sri_> mine says it can't find libfspot dll
[06:31] <Dishwasher> i need some help on playing dvds in ubuntu
[06:31] <Dishwasher> how do i???
[06:31] <Dishwasher> all of the software ive been through crashes after intro
[06:31] <Guardiann> you using warty or hoary
[06:31] <Dishwasher> warty
[06:32] <Dishwasher> i believe...
[06:32] <Dishwasher> im still new to linux as well
[06:32] <Dishwasher> any ideas?
[06:32] <Dishwasher> tips?
[06:32] <Dishwasher> anything?
[06:32] <whiprush> sri_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=283469&archive=yes
[06:32] <sri_> sure
[06:32] <whiprush> not that one?
[06:32] <aliask> Try VLC
[06:32] <Guardiann> take a look here  www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:33] <Dishwasher> ive seen that site
[06:33] <Dishwasher> just havent been to it yet
[06:33] <Dishwasher> what about the vlc tip?
[06:33] <Dishwasher> from aliask
[06:33] <Guardiann> dont know it
[06:33] <Dishwasher> worth a shot i suppose
[06:33] <Dishwasher> tried ogle
[06:33] <Dishwasher> xine
[06:33] <Dishwasher> gxine
[06:33] <Dishwasher> totem
[06:33] <Dishwasher> nothing
[06:33] <Dishwasher> zero
[06:33] <Dishwasher> zip
[06:33] <Dishwasher> zilch
[06:33] <Dishwasher> nada
[06:33] <Guardiann> you want your dvd to play in warty go to that site
[06:33] <Dishwasher> ok
[06:34] <Dishwasher> going
[06:34] <Dishwasher> ...
[06:34] <Kyuuketsuki> dude never again
[06:34] <Dishwasher> me?
[06:34] <Kyuuketsuki> nvm
[06:34] <Xenguy> One
[06:34] <Xenguy> word
[06:34] <Xenguy> per
[06:34] <Xenguy> line
[06:34] <Xenguy> gets
[06:34] <Xenguy> annoying
[06:34] <Dishwasher> oh
[06:34] <Dishwasher> well excuse me...
[06:34] <Dishwasher> i'm
[06:35] <Dishwasher> truly
[06:35] <Dishwasher> sorry
[06:35] <Dishwasher> to
[06:35] <Dishwasher> have
[06:35] <Xenguy> no biggie - just feedback
[06:35] <Dishwasher> caused
[06:35] <Dishwasher> you
[06:35] <Dishwasher> to
[06:35] <Dishwasher> read
[06:35] <Dishwasher> all
[06:35] <Kyuuketsuki> dude stop or leave
[06:35] <Dishwasher> that
[06:35] <Xenguy> bye
[06:35] <Dishwasher> im
[06:35] <Dishwasher> typing
[06:35] <Guardiann> Dishwasher cool it ok
[06:35] <Dishwasher> bye
[06:35] <Dishwasher> cooling
[06:35] <Dishwasher> sorry
[06:35] <Kyuuketsuki> fruit
[06:35] <Dishwasher> im just trying to relax guys
[06:35] <Dishwasher> and its hard to sit down and get something done with linux
[06:35] <Dishwasher> cuz im still newbie
[06:35] <Dishwasher> :)
[06:35] <Kyuuketsuki> ok man
[06:35] <Dishwasher> sorry xenguy
[06:35] <Kyuuketsuki> lay off the speed for a minute... and off the keyboard
[06:36] <Dishwasher> lmao
[06:36] <Dishwasher> k
[06:36] <AndyFitz> so who else is suffering horrible fates with fglrx ?
[06:36] <AndyFitz> I've got a broken package that I cant fix :-.
[06:36] <AndyFitz> in hoary
[06:36] <AndyFitz> so no X for me
[06:36] <froust> andy: what error message?
[06:37] <sri_> whiprush: yeah, thats the one..but none of the solutions in there quite work.  I was missing around with the same stuff as they were.
[06:37] <sri_> whiprush: including ld-library-path and al lthat good stuff
[06:37] <whiprush> hmm
[06:37] <whiprush> that first solution worked for me
[06:37] <Dishwasher> ok
[06:37] <Dishwasher> one other question
[06:37] <Dishwasher> when i install the library to have dvd playback
[06:38] <Dishwasher> does it play in any player?
[06:38] <Dishwasher> or mplayer?
[06:38] <AndyFitz> the package is broken and wont upgrade.  will have to reboot and get the message I guess
[06:38] <froust> Andy: I got one about lib32 errors.
[06:38] <Kyuuketsuki> xine works for me
[06:38] <Dishwasher> cool
[06:38] <Dishwasher> ty
[06:38] <Dishwasher> thanks for all ur help
[06:38] <sri_> I figured out it as the f-spot.exe.config file, but i'ts been a pain to figure out whats wrong with it.
[06:38] <Dishwasher> and sorry again
[06:38] <Dishwasher> was just frustrated
[06:38] <Kyuuketsuki> have you tried xine?
[06:38] <Dishwasher> not yet
[06:39] <Kyuuketsuki> and what lib exactly... did you get
[06:39] <Dishwasher> hmmm
[06:39] <Dishwasher> maybe i should do that before i go
[06:39] <Dishwasher> lol
[06:39] <Kyuuketsuki> yea on synaptic pick up xine-ui
[06:39] <Dishwasher> theres some great thinking for you
[06:39] <Dishwasher> synaptic
[06:39] <Dishwasher> i throw down command line
[06:39] <Dishwasher> but thanks
[06:39] <Kyuuketsuki> ok have fun with command line
[06:39] <AndyFitz> froust: mine wasnt do to with that
[06:39] <Dishwasher> it rulz
[06:39] <froust> It sounds like they're still working out kinks.
[06:39] <Kyuuketsuki> but you claimed your a newb so....
[06:39] <AndyFitz> but what I would like to know is how to remove fglrx
[06:40] <Dishwasher> well command line is pretty easy
[06:40] <AndyFitz> because aptitude wont remove it
[06:40] <Dishwasher> i rather us it than winders
[06:40] <Kyuuketsuki> commandline is nice... but not necessary
[06:40] <Dishwasher> ahh..
[06:40] <Dishwasher> my mouse blows in ubuntu
[06:40] <Dishwasher> its on crack
[06:40] <Kyuuketsuki> oh ok then
[06:40] <Dishwasher> and i've turned the sensitivity down
[06:40] <Dishwasher> but no dice
[06:40] <whiprush> sri_: new tomboy is pretty pimp btw.
[06:40] <AndyFitz> once I select it to be removed  and go.  it notifies me its going to fix my broken packages by installing xorg-driver-fglrx    which fails
[06:41] <Kyuuketsuki> pretty pimp eh?
[06:41] <whiprush> yeah, it's an applet now.
[06:41] <Kyuuketsuki> right.....
[06:42] <Dishwasher> nope
[06:42] <Dishwasher> xine crashed again
[06:42] <Dishwasher> i think it might be due to the factory dvd being encrypted
[06:42] <Dishwasher> but im just spouting
[06:42] <Guardiann> what did you install
[06:42] <Dishwasher> xine-ui
[06:42] <Guardiann> how about the website
[06:42] <Dishwasher> ya
[06:42] <Dishwasher> it told me the library
[06:43] <Kyuuketsuki> nah... the libdvdcss2 or whatever should play encrypted shit
[06:43] <Dishwasher> www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:43] <Dishwasher> woops
[06:43] <Kyuuketsuki> how did xine crash
[06:43] <Dishwasher> apt-get install libdvdcss2
[06:43] <Dishwasher> ok
[06:43] <Dishwasher> now your gonna have to not call me a noob on this one
[06:43] <sri_> whiprush: yeah I want to install that as well. :)
[06:43] <AndyFitz> so nobody knows how to remove pacakges with dpkg ?
[06:43] <Dishwasher> remove packages?
[06:44] <Dishwasher> i think i might
[06:44] <Kyuuketsuki> as in uninstall
[06:44] <Dishwasher> but im still new
[06:44] <Kyuuketsuki> i dont... dpkg help?
[06:44] <Dishwasher> i throw down some apt-get remove "packagename"
[06:44] <AndyFitz> remove packages when they are broken
[06:44] <oberg> if you dont plan on reinstalling it ever, do a `dpkg --purge [name] `
[06:44] <Dishwasher> ok
[06:44] <Kyuuketsuki> how was that
[06:44] <AndyFitz> I do plan on re installing but when the package is fixed
[06:44] <Dishwasher> do you konw the lady that shows in the intro of a movie
[06:44] <Dishwasher> shes wearing a dress?
[06:44] <Kyuuketsuki> dpkg -r|--remove | -P|--purge <package name> ... | -a|--pending
[06:45] <Dishwasher> i know it sounds korny
[06:45] <Dishwasher> but do you know what im talking about?
[06:45] <cryptomatt> i do not know whether this is the right forum to discuss abt GPL but this is the only forum i know and am familiar with (being an ubuntu user myself)...
[06:45] <Dishwasher> and the unicorn
[06:45] <Kyuuketsuki> intro of what movie
[06:45] <Dishwasher> most movies
[06:45] <Dishwasher> has either a unicorn in the beginning
[06:45] <Kyuuketsuki> different studios have different intros
[06:45] <Dishwasher> or that lady with the dress and the torch
[06:45] <Dishwasher> well!
[06:45] <Dishwasher> its hard to explain!
[06:45] <Dishwasher> ok
[06:45] <Kyuuketsuki> yea the torch is universal right?
[06:45] <Dishwasher> forget that
[06:45] <poningru> http://www.big-boys.com/articles/switchlinux.html
[06:45] <Dishwasher> ya
[06:46] <Dishwasher> you got it
[06:46] <oberg> cryptomat: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/licenses.html
[06:46] <Kyuuketsuki> and i forget who the unicorn is
[06:46] <AndyFitz> cryptomatt:  #grokklaw I think
[06:46] <Dishwasher> it crashes after playing that
[06:46] <Dishwasher> im stumped
[06:46] <Kyuuketsuki> well that makes no sense
[06:46] <Dishwasher> ya
[06:46] <Kyuuketsuki> if it plays the intro it should play it all
[06:46] <Dishwasher> want me to give you the error?
[06:46] <Kyuuketsuki> hmmm have you restarted to PC
[06:46] <Kyuuketsuki> yea sure
[06:46] <Kyuuketsuki> that might help
[06:46] <cryptomatt> thanks guys.. i have read the license.. but its the interpretation which has me pulling my hair off
[06:46] <Dishwasher> what about restarting x
[06:46] <Dishwasher> that might work
[06:46] <Dishwasher> oh wait
[06:46] <Dishwasher> no it wont
[06:46] <Dishwasher> ill have to reboot
[06:46] <Dishwasher> ok
[06:46] <Dishwasher> brb
[06:46] <Dishwasher> ty for help
[06:47] <AndyFitz> what the hell is happening to the hoary repositories right now ?
[06:47] <Kyuuketsuki> well yea when i couldnt get dvds working i restarted the whole pc
[06:47] <cryptomatt> if i am creating a proprietary system which needs to use for e.g ejabberd which is in GPL as a jabber server... is that allowed?
[06:47] <oberg> cryptomat: read the FAQ and what Richard Stallman himself has written on it, there is a lot of really good documentation to help you understand exactly what the GPL is saying and not saying, what you can do and not do
[06:48] <oberg> My understanding is yes so long as any changes you make to ejabberd (and release) is released with your changes
[06:49] <cryptomatt> no changes to ejabberd being made.. its only being used as a jabber server.. thats all..
[06:49] <mebaran> Anyone know a good alternative to evolution
[06:49] <mebaran> my Evolution never works
[06:49] <mebaran> and Mozilla Thunderbird doesnt cut it on the address side
[06:49] <heliolith> thunderbird?
[06:49] <mebaran> I am fine with two seperate apps
[06:49] <gen> what do you mean on the address side
[06:49] <mebaran> one for email like thunderbird
[06:50] <mebaran> and one for contact info
[06:50] <mebaran> like name bday phone number, etc
[06:50] <cryptomatt> and another thing with ubuntu hoary... the applications:/// doesnt seem to be working from within the file browser
[06:50] <cryptomatt> is that a bug?
[06:50] <mebaran> The Thunderbird caps are bit too unfortunate
[06:50] <mebaran> it wont import a vcard correctly
[06:50] <gen> hoary is one big bug cryptomatt
[06:51] <mebaran> gen: but at least the mat is a happy mat
[06:51] <mebaran> gen: the dependencies in hoary and most of the builds
[06:51] <jmhodges> hmm.. im looking to check my cpu temp easily.. my fan keeps blaring away over here
[06:51] <jmhodges> what should i install?
[06:51] <mebaran> are very F'ed
[06:51] <cryptomatt> i am a happy matt.. thats for sure
[06:51] <mebaran> like evolution
[06:51] <mebaran> doesnt work
[06:51] <mebaran> ohhh
[06:51] <mebaran> I thought like cryptographed mat or something
[06:51] <mebaran> haha
[06:52] <mebaran> i didnt realize it was a user
[06:52] <mebaran> heheh
[06:52] <cryptomatt> well evolution does work.. but it does refuse to upgrade to the latest saying some dependencies are not proper
[06:52] <mebaran> my evolution upgraded
[06:52] <mebaran> but now the contact part is shot
[06:52] <mebaran> it wont import vcards
[06:52] <mebaran> read my old address book
[06:53] <mebaran> delete an address book
[06:53] <mebaran> add a contact
[06:53] <cryptomatt> oh ok.. didnt try that out specifically
[06:53] <mebaran> and crashes randomly
[06:53] <hacim> so i put a data CD into this USB drive, and nothing happened... I went to the CD-ROM icon and clicked on it, and it said "Unable to mount".... so I tried to mount /dev/sr0 /mnt and that worked, how can I fix the automount in nautilus or whatever it is
[06:53] <mebaran> it wont even add a contact by selecting add new contact
[06:53] <mebaran> it just do it
[06:53] <heliolith> I'm following tweak guide thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713 and on the step #9 (installing a CPU specific kernel there are 3 options: linux-686 linux-k7 and linux-686-smp... if my /proc/cpuinfo says "AMD Athlon XP 2400+ then I should go with linux-686 right?
[06:53] <AndyFitz> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/preview.png  http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/etiquette-icons.tar.gz  http://www.brisgeek.com/etiquette/
[06:54] <mebaran> oh
[06:54] <mebaran> and does anyone know what to do with an i950 canon printer connected to an AMD64 wrkstation
[06:54] <whiprush> heliolith: you want k7
[06:55] <Dishwasher> whats that?
[06:55] <hacim> how do you get a USB CDROM to mount?
[06:55] <Dishwasher> hey ky
[06:55] <Dishwasher> you there?
[06:55] <Dishwasher> or you afk?
[06:56] <Dishwasher> well, whatever, thanks for all ur help
[06:56] <Dishwasher> it worked!!!!!!!!
[06:56] <heliolith> whiprush really?  is it a typo that he listed "newer INtel/AthlonXP processors together?
[06:56] <Dishwasher> now im gonna relax
[06:56] <Dishwasher> and watch my dvd
[06:56] <Dishwasher> exit
[06:56] <whiprush> heliolith: maybe, it should be k7 for an athlon though
[07:00] <hacim> how do you get a USB CDROM to mount?
[07:00] <whiprush> did you try plugging it in?
[07:00] <whiprush> and see if it automounts?
[07:03] <lek> Why isn't xfce4.2 in hoary yet?
[07:06] <lek> ?
[07:07] <bur[n] er> lek: use the os-works sources
[07:07] <bur[n] er> (in the meantime ;)
[07:08] <linux-rulz> hey
[07:08] <linux-rulz> whoops
[07:10] <lek> os-works.com is down
[07:10] <lek> bur[n] er
[07:11] <oberg> I want to propose that the package 'zinf' be included into Ubuntu - I added a note about it to the Technical Board Agenga Wiki page but the meeting happened like 10 hours ago, any better way to make the recommendation?
[07:15] <heliolith> what happens if I choose the wrong kernel... say i pick k7 an it turns out that 686 were better?  could I fix it later?
[07:16] <whiprush> It'll still work
[07:17] <heliolith> whiprush: but I could installl one and check?  then try the other?
[07:17] <whiprush> yep
[07:17] <heliolith> whiprush: thanks a bunch
[07:18] <whiprush> np
[07:21] <whiprush> heliolith: your old kernels will remain in your grub menu unless you specifically remove them, so in the chance something does blow up you can always boot back into a known good one.
[07:23] <bur[n] er> lek: i see :\
[07:23] <bur[n] er> sorry
[07:23] <bur[n] er> too bad too... xfce is good stuff for speed ;)
[07:23] <lek> guess ill just wait for the repos to come back up, i have the sources
[07:23] <bur[n] er> u could try the binary gui installer ;)
[07:24] <bur[n] er> didn't work for me with the rc's, but maybe it will for the full release
[07:24] <lek> i'd rather not
[07:24] <bur[n] er> heh, to each their own :)
[07:24] <bur[n] er> i still have major issues with xfce, as i do with all Linux DEs
[07:24] <Stew2> Anyone have a web page editor they'd recommend?
[07:25] <bur[n] er> bluefish
[07:25] <lek> issues such as?
[07:25] <Stew2> burn thanks
[07:25] <bur[n] er> xfce?  just want more features
[07:25] <bur[n] er> i want a desktop
[07:25] <bur[n] er> something that acts as a folder... like in kde/gnome
[07:25] <bur[n] er> and xfce's hotkey support is a bit lacking
[07:25] <zenrox> ok how do i get x.org to use the i915 drive for 3d video so i can boost fps in a game
[07:25] <bur[n] er> it's better in this latest release
[07:25] <bur[n] er> but still... only 10 keys
[07:26] <randabis-laptop> I rarely use hotkeys so that's a non issuewith me
[07:26] <bur[n] er> i'm a hotkey fanatic
[07:26] <daniels> zenrox: um, if you're running hoary, it already is
[07:26] <bur[n] er> i used to be a fluxbox user ;)
[07:26] <daniels> zenrox: the i915 chipset is ... not fast
[07:26] <bur[n] er> i'm weird, I use mostly gtk apps in a kde environment
[07:27] <randabis-laptop> much love for flux, but I really like xfce 4.2 :)
[07:27] <randabis-laptop> perfect for this laptop
[07:27] <zenrox> daniels,  ya at .4 fps
[07:27] <zenrox> it sucks
[07:27] <whiprush> daniels: should I still be running the x40 acpi stuff from your repository or was that rolled into the hoary acpi package?
[07:27] <daniels> zenrox: nice
[07:27] <lek> yeah i use fluxbox on my laptop
[07:27] <bur[n] er> here's a question though... to watch a dvd in xfce, what do you use?
[07:27] <zenrox> ya thx
[07:27] <daniels> whiprush: i think it's all been rolled in, but not sure -- ask thom
[07:27] <bur[n] er> I like Totem... xine's layout is all weird
[07:27] <lek> i use vlc bur[n] er
[07:27] <bur[n] er> vlc is all gtk1 though ;)
[07:27] <zenrox> daniels, i was getting in win xp same vid card 15-20 fps
[07:28] <lek> it is ugly as sin but it rocks
[07:28] <randabis-laptop> someone should update the znes package to 1.40 :p
[07:28] <randabis-laptop> zsnes
[07:28] <bur[n] er> i hear ya... i like vlc a lot
[07:28] <bur[n] er> someone should make a epsxe package :)
[07:28] <zenrox> and it ant even using the driver glxinfo tells me its using gl indrect
[07:29] <zenrox> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[07:29] <zenrox> thats what its using and it shuld say someing about using my vid driver
[07:29] <randabis-laptop> checked xorg.conf?
[07:30] <zenrox> randabis,  yep
[07:30] <zenrox> i tried puting the i915 in thare and x.org dont load
[07:30] <zenrox> i810 is the 2d driver
[07:30] <bur[n] er> oh, i have a problem... what do you all play flac files with?  I tried beep to no avail.  Totem plays them, but totems playlist kinda sucks
[07:30] <bur[n] er> maybe a beep plugin?
[07:30] <randabis-laptop> I don't have any flac files hehe
[07:31] <bur[n] er> hrm
[07:31] <zenrox> bur[n] er,  uses xmms and get the flac pluging for xmms
[07:31] <bur[n] er> that would be the easier solution ;)
[07:31] <bur[n] er> aww
[07:31] <bur[n] er> that would work...
[07:31] <zenrox> hehehe
[07:31] <linuxn00b> Hello, when I riped a CD a few ago it was going just fine ripping at 5.0x then now it can't get pased 0.2x :(...i'm using Sound juicer
[07:31] <whiprush> rhythmbox and muine should be able to play your flacs.
[07:31] <bur[n] er> muine might do it
[07:31] <HillTop> Is there a list of ubuntu cheat codes. I want to put ubuntu on a hard disk like KNOPPIX does: as a directory on a FAT32 drive. The "tohd" cheat code.
[07:31] <randabis-laptop> I couldn't figure out how to add a whole directory to beep
[07:32] <bur[n] er> i can't use rhythmbox... it's so slow :\  and it doesn't check for duplicates
[07:32] <randabis-laptop> ubuntu cheat codes?!?!?! LOLLERCOPTER
[07:32] <bur[n] er> HillTop: with the tohd... it copies the .iso to a win filesystem, but still uses grub to launch it or something?
[07:33] <zenrox> daniels,  ill help ya sort this out (ie try out new thangs that might help ) maby you got some newer ideas etc....
[07:33] <HillTop> KNOPPIX uses "fromhd" and looks for the KNOPPIX directory - finds it and then boots from it, freeing the CD version.
[07:34] <randabis-laptop> I'm gonna go up up down down left right left right b a start in a terminal and maybe I'll get 30 lives :p
[07:34] <zenrox> randabis-laptop,  rofl
[07:35] <HillTop> So once KNOPPIX is on the FAT32 drive as a directory image of the CD, one need not put it there again, KNOPPIX can find it next time you boot with the fromhd code.
[07:35] <randabis-laptop> not meaning to be a dick, but the thought of ubuntu cheat codes is hilarious
[07:35] <randabis-laptop> invincibility lolz
[07:35] <randabis-laptop> wahaha all weapons
[07:36] <HillTop> I put KNOPPIX and BEATRIX on my FAT32 drive this way, each made their own directory. Now I wonder if UBUNTU can do this...
[07:36] <bur[n] er> HillTop: aww... i hear ya, you can even eject hte cd and use k3b from within it to burn a disc? :)
[07:36] <randabis-laptop> I suggest checking the morphix site andforums hilltop
[07:36] <bur[n] er> well... actually
[07:36] <randabis-laptop> the ubuntu livecd is merely a themed morphix
[07:36] <HillTop> bur[n] er, that is correct, the CD is freed up imeadiately.
[07:36] <bur[n] er> morphix is kinda hurtin in terms of its content right now ;)
[07:37] <bur[n] er> the host went down
[07:37] <randabis-laptop> ah
[07:37] <bur[n] er> very cool HillTop :)
[07:37] <randabis-laptop> didn't know that
[07:37] <bur[n] er> and it's a directory?  ie, c:\knoppix?
[07:37] <randabis-laptop> I don't pay much attention to livecds
[07:37] <bur[n] er> or it's an image of the disk?
[07:37] <bur[n] er> no worries, morphix will be back
[07:38] <HillTop> The directory on the FAT32 drive is about the same size as the CD, so KNOPPIX and BEATRIX take up about 1GB.
[07:38] <randabis-laptop> what's your fave?
[07:38] <bur[n] er> it's a directory though?  weird... wonder if it's in a compressed filesystem format still...
[07:38] <bur[n] er> anyway.. i may just have to try it
[07:39] <bur[n] er> HillTop: what's the advantage to doing that over installing it?  no partitioning?  the non changed boot loader? (i'm just curious as to the draw)
[07:39] <Stew2> bur[n] er Is there a way I can make a link the webserver will follow, I E /var/www/apache2-default/files -> /home/files ?
[07:39] <daniels> zenrox: ok, thanks ... i'm not really sure, you might want to look in Xorg.0.log for inspiration
[07:40] <bur[n] er> Stew2: it's in your apache's httpd.conf file
[07:40] <bur[n] er> but...
[07:40] <Stew2> bur[n] er I thought it used apache2.conf.
[07:40] <bur[n] er> by default, http://server/~username will go to /home/username/public_html
[07:40] <bur[n] er> or that ;)
[07:40] <bur[n] er> er... i use apache 1.3x version
[07:41] <bur[n] er> u use 2.0?
[07:41] <Stew2> bur[n] er close.. close to what I want.
[07:41] <bur[n] er> Stew2: just look for the lines about virtual domains
[07:41] <Stew2> bur[n] er I know this is a simple simlink question. I think...
[07:41] <bur[n] er> been awhile since i've edited mine
[07:41] <bur[n] er> i don't think apache follows symlinks by default
[07:41] <bur[n] er> one sec :)
[07:41] <bur[n] er> i'll test
[07:41] <randabis-laptop> I wonder...is there a QT based equivalent to gaim out there?
[07:41] <da_bon_bon> which is the smallest BT client ?
[07:42] <Stew2> bur[n] er yeah, but that can be turned on. somehow.
[07:42] <HillTop> bur[n] er, I'
[07:42] <bur[n] er> i lied :)
[07:42] <bur[n] er> symlink away
[07:42] <randabis-laptop> probably bittorrent is the smallest client
[07:42] <bur[n] er> it works for me
[07:42] <bur[n] er> bittornado
[07:42] <Stew2> bur[n] er : is it $ ln -s files /home/files ?
[07:42] <da_bon_bon> randabis-laptop: which ? the one at bittorrent.org ?
[07:42] <bur[n] er> nope
[07:42] <bur[n] er> other way
[07:43] <hacim> how can I increase my screen resolution?
[07:43] <Stew2> bur[n] er from the /var/www folder.
[07:43] <cerber> Hi somebody talk on Russian ?
[07:43] <randabis-laptop> I mean the standard bittorrent client
[07:43] <bur[n] er> ln -s /var/www/files /home/files
[07:43] <Stew2> folder then link name.
[07:43] <bur[n] er> Stew2: man ln works wonders ;)
[07:43] <HillTop> bur[n] er, I use a linux box with secondary drive=FAT32 for extra data. This drive would have hdb1/KNOPPIX
[07:43] <bur[n] er> even ln --help ;)
[07:43] <Stew2> bur[n] er that's i think what i said. Hmm. Oka
[07:43] <da_bon_bon> randabis-laptop: where do i get it from ?
[07:44] <hacim> under the GNOME screen resolution there is no option to set mine higher
[07:44] <randabis-laptop> you using ubuntu?
[07:44] <randabis-laptop> if so
[07:44] <bur[n] er> Stew2: yeah, you're good to go
[07:44] <randabis-laptop> sudo apt-get install bittorrent
[07:44] <cerber> Hi somebody talk on Russian ?
[07:45] <randabis-laptop> alternatively, bittornado like burner said
[07:45] <da_bon_bon> randabis-laptop: whats the difference ?
[07:45] <randabis-laptop> not really sure, I use azureus
[07:45] <hacim> bittornado has up and downstream rate limiting
[07:46] <hacim> so you can throttle how much bandwidth it uses
[07:46] <bur[n] er> is there an azureus .deb in the works at all?
[07:46] <zenrox> daniels,  this is what i found -->> http://pastebin.com/230693 it seems dri is loading the i810 driver not the i915 driver
[07:46] <randabis-laptop> not sure, but it's not like installing it is hard :p
[07:46] <HillTop> bur[n] er, not in compressed format - well there is one GIANT file in the directory but other files are normal files like html, txt (cheat codes) just like the CD. And yes, use these without making partitions for each. Just a quicky thing.
[07:46] <bur[n] er> it would be nice to be able to tell my non-linuxy friends that it's easy to get installed
[07:46] <randabis-laptop> pretty much a no brinaer
[07:46] <randabis-laptop> brainer even
[07:47] <bur[n] er> HillTop: cool, just curious :)  thanks for letting me pick your brain
[07:47] <bur[n] er> randabis-laptop: this is true... but it's not so easy for my goober friends ;)
[07:47] <randabis-laptop> lol
[07:47] <bur[n] er> i attempted to make a .deb for it, but failed miserably ;)
[07:47] <Jikkle> i wrote an rpm that allows you to run any debian kernal in ubuntu
[07:48] <bur[n] er> it's tough to make a .deb when you dont' compile the program
[07:48] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[07:49] <bur[n] er> once it's installed, the auto-updating is nice :)
[07:49] <randabis-laptop> hehe
[07:49] <bur[n] er> randabis-laptop: what did you do about getting azureus to accept 'azureus blah.torrent' ?
[07:49] <bur[n] er> create a shell script?
[07:49] <bur[n] er> (that was my solution ;)
[07:50] <Stew2> bur worked
[07:50] <randabis-laptop> I don't do it like that...typically I just tell firefox to send the torrent to azureus
[07:50] <bur[n] er> right on Stew2 :)
[07:50] <randabis-laptop> I tend to not use torrents too much though
[07:50] <bur[n] er> randabis-laptop: you send it from firefox to /usr/share/azureus/azureus.py ? or something like that?
[07:50] <randabis-laptop> they piss me off too much
[07:51] <zenrox> daniels,  this also too all over the place towares the end of my xorg.0.log file (WW) I810(0): Extended BIOS function 0x5f61 not supported.
[07:51] <bur[n] er> lol
[07:51] <HillTop> bur[n] er, read more about tohd, fromhd in KNOPPIX Hacks. There are cheat codes for ubuntu liveCD. They are in the "box" at bootup, one can edit this box. I tried to get higher resolution 1280x1024. Could not make it work.
[07:51] <bur[n] er> HillTop: i know ;)
[07:51] <randabis-laptop> virtually every torrent I ever run I end up sending A LOT more than I receive
[07:51] <bur[n] er> i can only get 1024x768... same as always... higher res's just duplicate themselves for me
[07:52] <bur[n] er> eh, bandwidth is cheap :)
[07:52] <randabis-laptop> but even if I throttle my upload to like 10kb my internet connection screetches to a crawl
[07:52] <Jikkle> the bottleneck in my system seems to be my 33.6k modem
[07:52] <bur[n] er> ooh... that sucks
[07:53] <randabis-laptop> that's why I don't run torrents too often
[07:53] <randabis-laptop> hehe
[07:53] <HillTop> bur[n] er, how do you make those side remarks??
[07:54] <bur[n] er> ./me
[07:54] <Jikkle> i can't get my firewall working
[07:54] <randabis-laptop> or /action
[07:54] <br0ken_ladd> my system is suddenly seriously screwed up and i have no idea why
[07:54] <bur[n] er> ./me is faster ;)
[07:54] <br0ken_ladd> i can't log in as any user besides root.
[07:54] <br0ken_ladd> it says it can't cd to the user's directory.
[07:54] <bur[n] er> Jikkle: firestarter?  trying to do connection sharing?
[07:55] <Jikkle> i think it's called shorewall
[07:55] <br0ken_ladd>  gdm
[07:55] <br0ken_ladd> gdm_config_parse: Authdir /var/lib/gdm does not exist. Aborting.
[07:55] <br0ken_ladd> i need major help.
[07:55] <bur[n] er> in that case, i have no idea Jikkle
[07:55] <br0ken_ladd> is there any kind of rescue mode on the ubuntu install disc?
[07:56] <bur[n] er> br0ken_ladd: can you get to a term?
[07:56] <br0ken_ladd> sure
[07:56] <Jikkle> could oneuse and old cpu as a router?/
[07:56] <br0ken_ladd> as root only
[07:56] <bur[n] er> that's fine
[07:56] <daniels> zenrox: that's ok -- the driver for i8xx and i9xx is i810, and that supports all of them ... keep looking.  if you paste the full log, i might be able to check that out.
[07:56] <bur[n] er> try apt-get update && apt-get install gdm ?
[07:56] <bur[n] er> then if it is the newest version already...
[07:56] <bur[n] er> dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[07:56] <bur[n] er> see if that helps
[07:56] <br0ken_ladd> i'm unable to start a terminal
[07:56] <bur[n] er> oh... thought you said you could as root
[07:56] <br0ken_ladd> no it's working now
[07:57] <Jikkle> not sure.. right now i'm on win 98 without a firewall at all
[07:57] <zenrox> daniels,  same pastbin link
[07:57] <br0ken_ladd> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[07:57] <br0ken_ladd> gdm is already the newest version.
[07:57] <br0ken_ladd> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded.
[07:58] <br0ken_ladd> in the boot up list in ubuntu, it says something like "gnome: failed"
[07:58] <zenrox> daniels,  all 1917 lines of the Xorg.0.log
[07:58] <br0ken_ladd> i can't think of what i could have done to cause this, aside from move a few libraries from /usr/local/lib/gaim to /usr/lib/gaim
[07:59] <randabis-laptop> try dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[07:59] <Jikkle> do most generic harware drivers work in ubuntu?
[07:59] <br0ken_ladd> ?
[07:59] <daniels> zenrox: that pastebin link just gives me the same few lines
[08:00] <daniels> not the whole thing
[08:00] <zenrox> Jikkle,  any one in pretuckuler your instered in worken
[08:00] <zenrox> daniels,  refresh it
[08:00] <br0ken_ladd> invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed.
[08:00] <br0ken_ladd> it says i'm not running gdm currently
[08:00] <br0ken_ladd> hmm
[08:00] <br0ken_ladd> i can't even login to a console as any user but root
[08:00] <Jikkle> does it come with the kernel source installed? ununtu that is
[08:00] <zenrox> http://pastebin.com/230695 <-- it tells me its modified
[08:00] <br0ken_ladd> it says it can't cd into the user direcory.
[08:01] <br0ken_ladd> but the d irectories exist
[08:01] <chibifs> Anyone using an nforce3 board?
[08:01] <randabis-laptop> kernel sources do not come installed, but they can be easily added
[08:02] <zenrox> daniels,  my bad try this one ---> http://pastebin.com/230695
[08:02] <HillTop> bur[n] er, the cheat code works like this:  knoppix tohd=/dev/hda1   ... puts it on primary drive, partition 1.
[08:04] <AndyFitz> anyone using a radeon 9250?
[08:04] <AndyFitz> lol
[08:04] <AndyFitz> subtitle : anyone feel my pain
[08:07] <daniels> AndyFitz: warty, or hoary?
[08:07] <daniels> zenrox: weird ... what does glxinfo say?
[08:07] <br0ken_ladder> my gnome display manager is failing to start
[08:07] <br0ken_ladder> is there a way to see the errors that happened while i was booting?
[08:08] <br0ken_ladder> something like dmesg, but for the ubuntu "startup" scripts.
[08:09] <zenrox> daniels,  look here ---> http://pastebin.com/230702
[08:09] <AndyFitz> daniels: hoary
[08:09] <zenrox> daniels,  its using mesa GLX indirect
[08:09] <daniels> AndyFitz: it should be fine ...
[08:09] <br0ken_ladder> can anyone help me?  my system is totally gone.
[08:10] <daniels> zenrox: do you have xlibmesa-dri installed?
[08:10] <AndyFitz> daniels.  no the fun police took away my X and broke the fglrx package beyond repair, removal or reinstall
[08:10] <daniels> AndyFitz: oh.  the 'fun police' in this case would be me.
[08:10] <zenrox> daniels,  yep its installed
[08:11] <daniels> sudo dpkg -P fglrx-driver && sudo rm -rf /usr/share/fglrx
[08:11] <daniels> then edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/diversions as root, and remove all the lines to do with libGL
[08:11] <daniels> then sudo dpkg -P fglrx-driver again
[08:11] <daniels> then sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:11] <daniels> (yes, I know how abysmally shit that is)
[08:11] <br0ken_ladder> is there any kind of system recovery stuff in ubuntu?
[08:11] <srid> is anyone packaging gazpacho for ubuntu?
[08:11] <srid> a debian package has occured just now
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> br0ken_ladder: lookinf for it too
[08:11] <srid> see newpkg_main in debian
[08:11] <Stew2> Is there some kinda FAQ for simple setting up of apache2?
[08:11] <br0ken_ladder> what's lookinf?
[08:11] <daniels> srid: then it will eventually make it in to ubuntu
[08:12] <srid> daniels, i wonder
[08:12] <crypticreign> is there a website for hoary with list of updated files and such
[08:12] <zenrox> daniels,  that weird or what
[08:12] <daniels> zenrox: it is weird
[08:13] <zenrox> daniels,  i can tell you the mobo info fic-i845g/gl mobo
[08:13] <zenrox> if that helps
[08:13] <daniels> zenrox: try LIBGL_DEBUG=1 glxinfo
[08:13] <srid> anyone using xchat here?
[08:13] <srid> i enabled colors in xchat
[08:14] <srid> the background and foregroud .. match .. and not that much visbile
[08:14] <AndyFitz> daniels,  thank you thank you thank you
[08:14] <srid> gimme good color schemes
[08:14] <zenrox> daniels,  new error libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/i915_dri.so failed (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/i915_dri.so: undefined symbol: _tnl_vertex_cull_stage)
[08:14] <zenrox> libGL error: unable to find driver: i915_dri.so
[08:14] <AndyFitz> looks like the fun police has let me out of the station
[08:14] <daniels> zenrox: AGH
[08:14] <br0ken_ladder> how can i look in detail at my system startup errors?
[08:15] <br0ken_ladder> srid just choose your own colors.
[08:15] <br0ken_ladder> choose whatever looks good to you.
[08:15] <zenrox> and daniels  thats right whare it shuld be too
[08:15] <br0ken_ladder> i use black text on white background.
[08:15] <zenrox> and it its thare
[08:15] <daniels> zenrox: yeah, I'll check it out -- know what I need to to fix it now.  cheers.
[08:15] <br0ken_ladder> how can i see the errors that happened after dmesg was done?
[08:15] <br0ken_ladder> how can i see the ubuntu system loading errors?
[08:15] <zenrox> thx daniels  let me know when its fixed
[08:16] <br0ken_ladder> my gdm doesn't start.
[08:16] <zenrox> agine
[08:16] <zenrox> hehehehe
[08:16] <srid> so xchat sucks
[08:16] <zenrox> srid,  nope
[08:16] <zenrox> xchat rocks
[08:17] <stuNNed> srid, use irssi with screen and ssh imho
[08:17] <d3vic3> I ran apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:17] <d3vic3> now my gnome wont start
[08:18] <br0ken_ladder> my gnome won't start period
[08:18] <srid> stuNNed, how do I get notifications in text mode clients?
[08:18] <srid> assuming i am on 10+ channels
[08:18] <br0ken_ladder> d3vic3, from a console, are you able to log in as any user other than root?
[08:18] <srid> in xchat, i have sound notifications
[08:18] <d3vic3> yes
[08:18] <srid> d3vic3, just delete your .gconf dir
[08:19] <srid> .gconf and .gonfd
[08:19] <srid> .gconfd
[08:19] <d3vic3> well, its complaining about dependencies
[08:19] <br0ken_ladder> srid when i boot my system, gnome display manager fails.
[08:19] <br0ken_ladder> can you help with that?
[08:19] <br0ken_ladder> if i try to log in from the console as any user but root, it fails.
[08:19] <srid> br0ken_ladder, see /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[08:20] <srid> and fix the problem by editing ur x11 config
[08:20] <br0ken_ladder> check this out..:  su - brokenladder
[08:20] <br0ken_ladder> Unable to cd to "/home/brokenladder"
[08:20] <nanotech> hi, i'm new to ubuntu, was wondering if i could get some help on installing the new ati drivers? do all i need to do is an apt-get for the package? If so, what's the package name, and where can i find it out formyself?
[08:20] <br0ken_ladder> i didn't edit it to begin with to break it
[08:20] <br0ken_ladder> but i can cd to that directory just  fine
[08:21] <srid> nanotech, use apt-cache search
[08:21] <br0ken_ladder> srid what am i supposed to fix in my x11 config?
[08:22] <br0ken_ladder> i don't see anything of interest in that log fil.
[08:22] <br0ken_ladder> no errors
[08:22] <srid> grep EE
[08:22] <br0ken_ladder> Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
[08:22] <br0ken_ladder>          (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
[08:22] <br0ken_ladder>          (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[08:22] <br0ken_ladder> that's the only ne
[08:22] <br0ken_ladder> oh..
[08:22] <br0ken_ladder> i see
[08:23] <br0ken_ladder> (EE) MGA: Failed to load module "mga_hal" (module does not exist, 0)
[08:23] <br0ken_ladder> but bear in mind that i'm in x right now.
[08:23] <br0ken_ladder> just gdm won't start
[08:23] <br0ken_ladder> and  can't even log into any user from the console, except for root, because it says it can't cd to the users' direcories
[08:23] <br0ken_ladder> directories even
[08:24] <srid> br0ken_ladder, ls -l /home
[08:24] <br0ken_ladder> all users and their home directories exist just fine
[08:24] <br0ken_ladder> they are there
[08:24] <br0ken_ladder> i can cd into them
[08:25] <mebara1> anybody know how to fix the Flashplayer on AMD64
[08:25] <mebara1> the swfplayer that installs is downright sucky for a lot of things
[08:25] <mebara1> and macromedia only offers a 32 bit
[08:25] <mebara1> anyone done any porting
[08:29] <mjr> well, macromedia hasn't, and it's a proprietary product so nobody else can either
[08:29] <mjr> and the free player is quite limited, yes
[08:33] <setite> hey i need help with a spreadsheet
[08:33] <mebara1> setite: how so
[08:33] <setite> how do i set a template with only 9 columns
[08:34] <setite> i need to make a route delivery list but i need 9 columns lonely
[08:34] <setite> i thought i knew how but apparently i dont
[08:38] <br0ken_ladder> gdm_config_parse: Authdir /var/lib/gdm does not exist. Aborting.
[08:38] <br0ken_ladder> what does this mean?
[08:38] <setite> no one knows how to make a spreadsheet to have only 9 columns?
[08:38] <setite> or X amount of colums
[08:40] <wu_ming> spreadsheet as in gnumeric
[08:41] <setite> whats that
[08:41] <setite> im using openoffice
[08:41] <setite> but anythign will work
[08:41] <setite> apox!
[08:43] <br0ken_ladder> i found my problem!
[08:43] <br0ken_ladder> somehow / wasn't o+x
[08:43] <br0ken_ladder> i have no idea how on earth that got messed up
[08:43] <wu_ming> setite: gnumeric is spreadsheet for gnome
[08:43] <setite> ok lemme get that
[08:43] <setite> do you know how to limit the number of columns in it?
[08:44] <subterrific> any ubuntu devs around? i need someone to tell me "yes, that might be a bug, file a bugreport" :)
[08:44] <GoneBoB> setite: why do you need to do that?
[08:44] <setite> need what
[08:44] <GoneBoB> subterrific: ask anyway
[08:44] <GoneBoB> setite: limit the columns
[08:45] <setite> because i need only 9 colums that span the width of the page
[08:45] <GoneBoB> that's formatting
[08:45] <subterrific> GoneBoB: i've asked on the forums and irc a few times and no one knows
[08:45] <subterrific> but i'll shoot
[08:45] <GoneBoB> subterrific: ask again :)
[08:45] <setite> ui cant figure it out though
[08:46] <subterrific> i've got hoary on amd64. trying to run quake3 or enemy territory, and it fails
[08:46] <subterrific> see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11539 for more info
[08:46] <setite> chroot
[08:47] <setite> i dont know about those games in particular
[08:47] <subterrific> setite: nope, not needed
[08:47] <setite> but if they are not made for 64bit chances are you could try chroot
[08:47] <setite> not need.. you 100% sure?
[08:47] <subterrific> setite: i know what i'm doing, yes
[08:47] <wu_ming> hi, just upgraded to hoary, anti aliasiing is turned off for some reason, how to i renable it
[08:48] <setite> ok then nvm... someone tell me what setting limits the colums
[08:48] <subterrific> setite: i've got cedega running Half-Life 2 and CS:Source without a chroot
[08:48] <setite> half life 2 rocks...
[08:48] <setite> but cedega doesnt
[08:48] <GoneBoB> subterrific: I seem to remember there
[08:48] <cafuego> HA!
[08:48] <setite> no surround sound gaming is why i dont use it
[08:49] <setite> why
[08:49] <cafuego> postfix, not exim4
[08:49] <setite> ok g2g to work
[08:54] <wu_ming> anyone know to set up anti aliasing in hoary
[08:55] <linux-rulz> Hi, does anyone know of an alternative to Gnome Sound Recorder, preferably one that can stay running for more than 15 seconds without crashing?
[08:55] <rovragge> linux-rulz: audacity
[08:55] <linux-rulz> ah...forgot about that one...for some odd reason
[08:55] <rovragge> wu_ming: aa fonts should be enabled by default
[08:56] <AndyFitz> daniels,     I couldnt edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/diversions because it doesnt exist
[08:56] <rovragge> gdm autologin is not working for me. "system bootup in progress" gdm says on boot and then "authentication failed"
[08:56] <AndyFitz> I got the error
[08:56] <AndyFitz> dpkg-divert: 'diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so,1 to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx
[08:57] <GoneBoB> rovragge: is it possible you put the wrong details into gdm?
[08:57] <wu_ming> rovragge: AA was working when in warty, but just upgrade to hoary and now it doesnt
[08:57] <AndyFitz> well that didnt work  :-/   however I removed fglrx-driver :)  I just cant install xorg-driver-fglrx now
[08:57] <subterrific> AndyFitz: i'm having trouble with nvidia-glx also...
[08:58] <rovragge> GoneBoB: I set automaticlogin=myusername in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and automaticloginenable=true
[08:58] <cafuego> Yes, the latest hoary xorg update seems to have broken xrender/composite/xdamage
[08:58] <AndyFitz> subterrific,  I dont have an nvidia card so this is weird :-)
[08:58] <cafuego> (on nvidia)
[08:58] <subterrific> AndyFitz: you should remove nvidia-glx then
[08:58] <linux-rulz> has anyone else had warty become extremely unstable in the last couple days?
[08:59] <linux-rulz> i dont know what it is exactly that i have installed or done, but it is unbareable...i am rebooting more than with windows
[09:00] <daniels> AndyFitz: you can't have nvidia-glx and fglrx installed at the same time, i don't think
[09:00] <daniels> AndyFitz: try /var/lib/dpkg/diversions, rather
[09:00] <daniels> but yeah, you want to remove nvidia-glx too
[09:00] <daniels> and then remove all the diversion stuff
[09:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> i believe the other night someone said no debian package has ever had a _ in it..
[09:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> or was that no "ubuntu" package?
[09:01] <cafuego> BROKEN_LADDER: much of a sameness
[09:01] <BROKEN_LADDER>  libotr1.0_1.0.3-1_i386.deb
[09:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> counter example
[09:01] <cafuego> BROKEN_LADDER: the '_' is sued tos eparate sections.
[09:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> linux-rulz: what's your problem?
[09:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> no gnome display manager?
[09:02] <cafuego> BROKEN_LADDER: libotr1.0, version 1.0.3-1, for i386
[09:02] <subterrific> hey daniels, do you know of any changes in hoary that would cause quake3 and et to stop working on amd64 with nvidia-glx?
[09:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> cafuego: I know exactly what it is!
[09:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> my point is that it has a _ in it
[09:02] <cafuego> BROKEN_LADDER: the package is "libotr1.0".
[09:02] <daniels> cafuego: no package name has ever had _ in it
[09:02] <cafuego> BROKEN_LADDER: The filename is a different matter. ALL package filename have underscores.
[09:02] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: ^^
[09:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> well that makes more sense
[09:03] <daniels> subterrific: hmm, maybe the mesa changes from ubuntu10
[09:03] <daniels> subterrific: actually, wait, that shouldn't have had any impact
[09:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> linux-rulz: my warty went nuts tonight;  had to o+x /
[09:03] <daniels> since nvidia-glx diverts libGL away
[09:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> then it worked again
[09:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> that happened for no apparent reason.
[09:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> i didn't do any chmodding at all
[09:03] <subterrific> daniels: this is a really strange issue, i see a lot of similar stuff searching google, but no one with this exact issue.
[09:04] <subterrific> daniels: oh, and get this. i can run Half-Life 2 with cedega fine.
[09:04] <subterrific> daniels: only having problems with native linux GL games :\
[09:04] <daniels> subterrific: weird
[09:05] <daniels> subterrific: what version was it last working on?
[09:05] <linux-rulz> hi, back, sorry, got a phone call
[09:06] <subterrific> daniels: well they've never worked for me, but i see other people posting that they have them running on amd64
[09:06] <subterrific> daniels: and i had quake3 and et running on gentoo
[09:06] <subterrific> same machine
[09:06] <linux-rulz> anyways, it is just extremely unstable...everything is crashing, espescially gnome apps like evolution and gimp
[09:07] <mjr> linux-rulz, my guess would be that you're having problems with your hardware
[09:07] <subterrific> daniels: from what i'm reading on google it looks like it could be 1) some exec-shield type thing in the kernel 2) an optimization to Xorg 3) ...still looking for a #3
[09:07] <cafuego> Aha!
[09:07] <linux-rulz> all of my hardware is supported and on all the hardware compatability lists, warty shouldhave no reason to have problems with my hardware
[09:08] <crimsun> subterrific: 1) can't be, ubuntu kernels don't use exec-shield _or_ grsecurity _or_ pax
[09:08] <mjr> linux-rulz, put on a kernel compile, see if it crashes
[09:08] <mjr> linux-rulz, I meant in the sense that the hardware may be faulty
[09:08] <cafuego> Did anything change in Xorg with regards to the Composite extension? Yesterday it wortked with GLX and now it seems X tells me it doesn't.
[09:08] <subterrific> crimsun: ok, wasn't sure because i saw discussion on the mailing list about adding them
[09:09] <daniels> subterrific: oh, you need to run in a 32-bit chroot -- are you doing so?
[09:09] <subterrific> daniels: no, but i don't think i should have to. why do you think i need to?
[09:10] <subterrific> daniels: i have all the libraries needed to run quake3 in lib32. i got cedega running Half-Life 2 without a chroot.
[09:11] <daniels> subterrific: i assume the dri modules it loads will be 32-bit
[09:12] <daniels> subterrific: but i dunno, other people have had it working fine, but i don't run amd64 at the time
[09:12] <subterrific> daniels: nvidia drivers don't use dri iirc
[09:12] <mjr> correct, they don't
[09:13] <mjr> (they have a similar approach, sure, but not dri as such)
[09:13] <subterrific> daniels: the 32bit libs are able to communicate with the 64bit kernel module through /dev/nvidia
[09:13] <daniels> subterrific: hm, true
[09:13] <daniels> forgot about that
[09:13] <daniels> but yeah, I don't know
[09:14] <subterrific> :(
[09:14] <subterrific> i guess i'll open a bug...ugh
[09:14] <subterrific> oh
[09:14] <crimsun> subterrific: does glxinfo segfault?
[09:14] <subterrific> crimsun: nope glxinfo32 runs fine
[09:14] <cafuego> subterrific: You mean i can play SC4K on limux amd64? :-)
[09:14] <subterrific> i have no clue what sc4k is
[09:14] <subterrific> but go for it
[09:15] <cafuego> subterrific: sim city 4
[09:15] <daniels> subterrific: tried running it under 'linux32'?
[09:15] <subterrific> if it runs with cedega, then yes
[09:15] <cafuego> subterrific: cool!
[09:15] <subterrific> daniels: no go :\
[09:15] <subterrific> daniels: oh, this is something else i noticed
[09:15] <subterrific> daniels: i can't run ldd on the quake3 binary
[09:16] <subterrific> daniels: but i can run ldd on glxinfo32
[09:16] <daniels> try linux32 ldd quake3
[09:16] <daniels> or q3 or whatever
[09:16] <daniels> i don't know, i just seem to recall a few people needing to set up 32-bit chroots to run games
[09:17] <crimsun> I concur; quake needs to be run in a 32-bit chroot
[09:17] <GoneBoB> I remember bruce cracked it
[09:17] <GoneBoB> and is running a 32 bit system now
[09:17] <subterrific> the only difference i can see when i run file on the executables is that glxinfo is a SYSV binary and quake3 is a GNU/Linux binary
[09:18] <daniels> subterrific: google turned this up -- t
[09:18] <daniels> GoneBoB: really?
[09:18] <subterrific> running linux32 doesn't help with ldd
[09:18] <daniels> http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu#AMD64_pure64_w.2F32bit_libs_VS._32bit_chroot
[09:18] <subterrific> and i'm absolutely possitive it is possible to run quake3 without a chroot. gentoo does it fine
[09:18] <GoneBoB> daniels: yeah, issues like that one
[09:19] <GoneBoB> basically lots of screwing around and stuff that doesn't work the way it should
[09:19] <daniels> subterrific: i don't know the differences in how they are set up to tell you, but it's entirely possible that gentoo uses a pure 32-bit system, with 64-bit libraries on the side
[09:19] <cafuego> subterrific: Is that gentoo running a 32bit kernel or 64bit?
[09:19] <daniels> we do the reverse
[09:19] <subterrific> daniels: yeah, that guy doesn't know what he is talking about
[09:19] <subterrific> daniels: i got cedega working fine without 32bit chroot
[09:20] <cafuego> subterrific: Yeah, cedega seems to run fine without a chroot here too.
[09:20] <subterrific> daniels: gentoo is pure 64bit, just like ubuntu
[09:20] <cafuego> I just need to reenable glx to check that the gamne also runs.
[09:21] <subterrific> cafuego: all i had to do was install a 32bit libpng and add /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH for cedega to run without a chroot
[09:21] <cafuego> restarting x, bbiab
[09:22] <subterrific> in fact pretty much the only reason i went with gentoo is because they were the only distro with a usuable 64bit environment when i built my athlon64
[09:22] <subterrific> everyone else was doing the 64bit kernel with 32bit userland
[09:24] <Neo_654> Hello.  Anyone interested in helping a confused newbie with getting gdesklets up and running?
[09:24] <subterrific> cafuego: hehe, gentoo is actually fairly decent on amd64. 5 minutes for a kernel compile and ~25 for xorg is acceptable i think
[09:25] <crimsun> that's 25 minutes I could actually be _using_ X Windows
[09:25] <subterrific> cafuego: they kept breaking gcc though, trying to add multilib support
[09:25] <cafuego> subterrific: That's 25 minutes each time him over there *point at daniels* decides to release a new X.
[09:26] <subterrific> cafuego: you're allowed to use your computer while it compiles
[09:26] <cafuego> subterrific: Slows down my apps, though.
[09:27] <crimsun> hah, ever tried doing something on a P2 266 while it compiles?
[09:27] <subterrific> cafuego: you'd be surprised what nice can do
[09:27] <cafuego> crimsun: Running Gentoo on a P2/266 is a crime <heh>
[09:27] <cafuego> subterrific: Turn 25 mins into 2 hours? ;-)
[09:28] <subterrific> cafuego: no, i never even needed nice
[09:29] <subterrific> cafuego: athon64's are plenty fast unless you want to play a GL game while you're compiling...i wouldn't recommend that. doing anything else though, and you won't even noticed
[09:29] <cafuego> subterrific: At that point it's still a waste of electricity, though.
[09:29] <Nexinarus> hey can someone send me a small file? im trying to get a debug error traceback with this irc client (gaim). It never recieves files its annoying.
[09:30] <subterrific> cafuego: join the omish if you care that much
[09:30] <cafuego> subterrific: Go burn a forest if you care that little <heh> ;-)
[09:30] <Nexinarus> unless you all are using gaim of course heh..
[09:31] <Nexinarus> nevermind i got one already
[09:32] <subterrific> daniels: any suggestion on what i should file this bug against? the kernel? xorg? nvidia-glx?
[09:33] <daniels> subterrific: i don't know, probably nvidia-glx
[09:36] <josh_> ahh, trying linux for the first time today
[09:36] <josh_> ubuntu was my choice
[09:37] <ep> I'm fairly new as well, and the ubuntu for the most part is going well.  Wireless is proving a challenge though.
[09:40] <cafuego> ep: laptop?
[09:41] <ep> yeah
[09:42] <trey3> cafuego, ahh.. not seen you in here before   :o
[09:42] <ep> HP
[09:42] <cafuego> trey3: I bin here for HOURS! ;-)
[09:42] <trey3> cafuego, :)
[09:43] <blacklabel> this is much better than that windows xp pro thing
[09:43] <cafuego> trey3: muaha
[09:43] <cafuego> trey3: I switched the desktop (amd64) to ubuntu when alioth got flaky and slow.
[09:43] <cafuego> ep: Built-in wireless?
[09:44] <ep> Yes.  Broadcom
[09:44] <cafuego> ep: I dunno if that's supported by a free driver.
[09:44] <trey3> cafuego, thats cool  :)   I been using Ubuntu primarily since the day the Preview Release was announced  :)
[09:45] <trey3> cafuego, Only Debian based with Xorg (that I know of) and I don't have to compile GNOME devel myself  8)
[09:45] <cafuego> ep: If it's not, you may need to compile a beta-ish driver from sourceforge or use a windows driver via ndiswrapper.
[09:46] <cafuego> trey3: Yep. I wanted to play with transparency, but SOMEONE BROKE IT today.
[09:46] <cafuego> trey3: Still, Gnome looked pretty for 3 days.
[09:46] <trey3> cafuego, haha  :)
[09:46] <ep> Going to try to get ndiswrapper configured.  I'll tell you what, once I figure this out, it'll be a cinch the second time. :)
[09:47] <cafuego> ep: Do a google search for ndiswrapper and your chip... there will be info and links to driver files. Always handy.
[09:47] <ep> I've also got a framebuffer issue that when I go to shut down, instead of seeing the exit scripts I'm seeing gibberish.
[09:47] <cafuego> ep: Running Xorg?
[09:47] <ep> Aside from that, trying to get dvd to play in gxine, but no luck thus far.  Wireless is my task at hand though.
[09:47] <cafuego> ep: Actually, using the radeonfb driver?
[09:48] <ep> radeon?  not to my knowledge nvidia is my graphics.
[09:48] <cafuego> the radeon in my HP doesn't like going from x->console when the radeonfb driver is loaded.
[09:48] <ep> lol
[09:49] <ep> I've got the drivers from nvidia, haven't installed, as it seems as though everything aside from this was running well.
[09:49] <AndyFitz> daniels,  thanks mate I got xorg-driver-fglrx installed and I   did  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  and set fglrx as my driver .
[09:49] <daniels> no worries
[09:49] <cafuego> ep: ubuntu has those drivers pre-baked for you.
[09:49] <AndyFitz> but now its not loading .. suggesting that I hadnt configured my video settings :-P
[09:49] <daniels> AndyFitz: hmm, wtf
[09:50] <daniels> try running fglrxconfig
[09:50] <AndyFitz> I removed nvidia-glx as well as xfree86-common
[09:50] <AndyFitz> oh yeah fglrxconfig..  thanks mate
[09:50] <borgista> fglrxconfig is hell.
[09:50] <borgista> it broke my x-server
[09:50] <daniels> yeah
[09:51] <borgista> i deal without it.
[09:54] <ep> I know with fedora, I went into /etc/modules.conf and commented out a line and changed an nv to nvidia, then tried to reboot, when it couldn't find nvidia, it would then install.
[09:55] <ep> Would I need to actually uninstall the other drivers to try this?  Or would it be better not to, that way if I blow it, then I can log into the console and remove the changes and have the system reinstall theprevious drivers?
[10:00] <ep> actually, it was the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[10:00] <Mabus> Don't tell me the openoffice.org2 package is failing because the build machine is missing bzip2 :)
[10:00] <Mabus> http://people.no-name-yet.com/~lamont/buildLogs/o/openoffice.org2/1.9.66-0ubuntu5/openoffice.org2_1.9.66-0ubuntu5_20050118-1612-i386-failed
[10:00] <Mabus> tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory
[10:01] <Mabus> lamont: Is that the problem ?
[10:01] <i386> hzhhaha
[10:01] <i386> Mabus, yeah
[10:01] <Mabus> that's great :)
[10:01] <i386> thats a debian short comming too
[10:02] <i386> coming*
[10:02] <i386> speaking of short comings
[10:02] <i386> anyone know how to get an apple kbd/mouse working correctly with Xorg?
[10:02] <subterrific> :)
[10:03] <GoneBoB> i386: yeah
[10:03] <GoneBoB> plug it is
[10:03] <GoneBoB> in
[10:03] <GoneBoB> although possibly you mean ADB
[10:03] <i386> no
[10:03] <i386> this is new world
[10:03] <GoneBoB> well all the new stuff is USB HID
[10:03] <i386> the numpad does not work
[10:04] <AndyFitz> okay fglrxsetup nolonger exists :-/
[10:04] <AndyFitz> also dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is done fine
[10:05] <Mabus> the new *-fglrx-driver packages work ?
[10:05] <AndyFitz> mabus  not yet for me
[10:05] <Mabus> ok
[10:05] <i386> GoneBoB, how about "right clicking"?
[10:06] <AndyFitz> daniels,could the system still be trying xfree even tho its not installed.
[10:06] <AndyFitz> everything on /etc/X11/xorg.conf looks fine btw
[10:06] <GoneBoB> i386: I have an Apple system with only one mouse button. How can I perform actions which require right-clicking or middle-clicking?
[10:06] <GoneBoB> The F11 and F12 keys can be used to simulate these actions.
[10:07] <GoneBoB> then, go to your local shop, spend ~ $20AU in your local currency and get a new mouse
[10:07] <Mabus> Can someone respin the BLAM! builds ? Someone seems to have shut them off.
[10:07] <Mabus> (they haven't respun since jan. 13)
[10:08] <AndyFitz> gonebob,  actually is $8 AU if you dont mind having a panda-shaped optical mouse
[10:08] <daniels> AndyFitz:nope
[10:08] <AndyFitz> ah well.  back to xfree86 I guess
[10:09] <GoneBoB> AndyFitz: and you can pickup snacks on the way home with your $20 :)
[10:09] <daniels> GoneBoB: kopiko :)
[10:11] <GoneBoB> daniels: little coffee lollies?
[10:11] <daniels> HrdwrBoB: yeah
[10:13] <Lowry> hi all
[10:13] <scizzo> moin
[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> hello
[10:14] <scizzo> daniels: ;)
[10:14] <Lowry> can ppc ubuntu firewire boot?
[10:19] <Emanuelez> hello * :)
[10:19] <Emanuelez> i'd love to install a groupware software on a linux box in my office. any suggestion?
[10:19] <qbeek> Emanuelez, OpenGroupware
[10:20] <daniels> scizzo: ?
[10:20] <Tomcat_> Emanuelez: Check out eGroupware
[10:20] <scizzo> daniels: coffee...
[10:20] <Tomcat_> OpenGroupware is fine, but the development seems like to be not existing... :o
[10:21] <qbeek> Emanuelez, OpenGroupware is developped through the Noodle project.
[10:21] <scizzo> daniels: sorry...haven't had my first coffee yet... :P
[10:22] <Emanuelez> i checked phpgroupware and egroupware... they look very similar but i liked phpgroupware best so far. i'll check opengroupware now
[10:23] <subterrific> daniels: well i opened a bug, thx for the help. https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5646
[10:24] <Tomcat_> PHPGroupware is good too, but lacks many features imho.
[10:24] <Tomcat_> Not sure how it is today... I checked them about 9 months ago.
[10:25] <Emanuelez> Tomcat_: what did it miss?
[10:26] <Tomcat_> - project management had fewer features than other groupwares...
[10:26] <Tomcat_> - no good document management
[10:26] <Tomcat_> - no resource management in projects
[10:27] <Tomcat_> - no documentation
[10:27] <Tomcat_> - no big community
[10:28] <Tomcat_> - many useless features for a professional groupware
[10:29] <Emanuelez> Tomcat_: ok... clear enough :) thx
[10:30] <Tomcat_> You have to recheck most of this though... as I said my evaluation is a bit old.
[10:30] <Tomcat_> The company I work for has gone with OpenGroupware... but now it seems we might change again, because Objective C is not as easy as PHP/JSP/CGI and the OpenGroupware development is not really there.
[10:31] <Emanuelez> Tomcat_: of course
[10:31] <Emanuelez> any news about when the new ATI drivers will be available for ubuntu? :)
[10:31] <Tomcat_> But on the other hand, OpenGroupware looks very professional, is stable and has lots of good features, and uses an XMLRPC API for external access.
[10:32] <daniels> Emanuelez: they have been for two days now
[10:32] <daniels> no, sorry, one and a half
[10:32] <Emanuelez> daniels: oh ok... i guess it's one of those "not updated" packages... dunno why :-S
[10:43] <Falstius> how can I tell if ubuntu supports cmedia audio cards? (integrated like AC'97)  Its too new to be on the Linux HOWTO supported hardware list.
[10:44] <HrdwrBoB> Falstius: intergrated ac97 stuff should Just Work
[10:44] <Neo_654> Falstius, It's working here.
[10:45] <Neo_654> Does anyone know if there is a confused newbies guide to getting Gdesklets working?
[10:54] <Falstius> Neo, its not AC'97 though, it is "like" ac'97.  It is the new "high definition audio"
[10:54] <Falstius> *Shrug* the company provides a linux driver but those can often be a pain and I don't have network at this computer.
[10:56] <topyli> how do you force udev to make a few devices in /dev?
[11:01] <scrooch> hi
[11:01] <scrooch> I would like to have a list of /mnt/media, and that list contains of all the directories that /mnt/media has
[11:01] <scrooch> how can I achieve this?
[11:01] <Skwid_> ls /mnt/media ??
[11:06] <Falstius> find /mnt/media -type d
[11:06] <Falstius> for only directories.
[11:08] <Fly_80> hi all
[11:09] <Fly_80> i have ubuntu for amd64 and a specific k8 kernel image 2.6.8
[11:09] <scrooch> thanks Falstius, it works great
[11:09] <Fly_80> now i need fat32 support
[11:09] <Fly_80> how can i add to my image ?
[11:10] <Fly_80> or i have to recompile the kernel ?
[11:10] <douglas> did you try to mount a fat32 partition ?
[11:11] <Fly_80> yes
[11:11] <douglas> did you build your kernel, or its a ubuntu precompiled one ?
[11:12] <scylax> hi
[11:12] <Fly_80> it is a precompiled one
[11:12] <Fly_80> mount: fs type fat32 not supported by kernel
[11:12] <scylax> Fly_80, try vfat
[11:12] <douglas> yep
[11:12] <scylax> i upgraded to hoary, and now gnome is half in english half in french
[11:12] <scylax> plus i have a "Debian" menu with tons of apps i don't have
[11:12] <Fly_80> scylax, doh!! :D
[11:13] <douglas> mount -t vfat /dev/hdX /mnt/something
[11:13] <scylax> how can i change that?
[11:13] <Falstius> et vous ne parlez pas francais?
[11:13] <scylax> mais oui
[11:13] <Fly_80> thank you
[11:13] <scylax> i want to get rid of  the english bits ;)
[11:13] <douglas> yep im with this debian menu too
[11:13] <Falstius> ahh, d'accord
[11:13] <jamin_l> hey guys... i'm still working to get my iPod working properly with Ubuntu
[11:13] <Falstius> I just, painfully, reinstalled windows on our new PC because my wife didn't like the french
[11:14] <jamin_l> i finally got my mount & unmount scripts working correctly
[11:14] <scylax> any ideas? the debian menu is esp. annoying
[11:14] <Falstius> well, that and because i made it unbootable while resizing the NTFS partition to install linux.
[11:14] <jamin_l> now i get "Could not open "/mn/ipod/iPod_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB.ext" for reading extended info"
[11:14] <jamin_l> now i get "Could not open "/mn/ipod/iPod_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB" for reading"
[11:15] <jamin_l> any idea what could be causing this & how to fix it?
[11:15] <jamin_l> btw the /mn should be /mnt
[11:16] <scylax> jamin : permission problem maybe?
[11:16] <jamin_l> ownership is set to ourselves
[11:16] <jamin_l> and permissions are 777
[11:17] <jamin_l> any other suggestions, scylax?
[11:18] <scylax> no idea, sorry mate
[11:18] <jamin_l> *sigh*
[11:19] <Serengeti> hello I need some help. my ubuntu froze, didn't react to mouse nor keyboard, and after reset it doesn't boot
[11:19] <Serengeti> the message is like
[11:19] <Serengeti>  Starting Ubuntu...
[11:19] <Serengeti> pivot_root: No such file or directory
[11:19] <Serengeti> /sbin/init: 429: cannot open /dev/console: No such file
[11:19] <Serengeti> Kernel panic: attempted to kill init!
[11:19] <Serengeti> any ideas?
[11:20] <jamin_l> heh i'm a noob and all i know is kernel panic is like Linux BSOD
[11:20] <VivekVC> I would like to know if there will be a front end for mysql in
[11:20] <VivekVC> Ububtu GNU/Linux
[11:20] <Serengeti> that's what I know too jamin_l :)
[11:20] <jamin_l> heh if i were in your boots i'd reinstall
[11:20] <VivekVC>  just downloaded it using "apt-get install mysql-server"
[11:21] <jamin_l> then again i just finished losing 10G of data on my iPod
[11:21] <VivekVC> or does it have only a command line interface?
[11:21] <Cyberjames> hi
[11:22] <Serengeti> jamin I know I could but I'd prefer to do something smart instead, I've spent some time configuring it
[11:22] <Serengeti> and well, if I don't know what happened how can I be sure it won't happen again
[11:27] <scizzo> VivekVC: well I don't really think that the ubuntu team will hard code a interface for mysql
[11:28] <VivekVC> scizzo: ok
[11:28] <scizzo> VivekVC: there are interfaces....but they are mostly web thingys
[11:30] <VivekVC> I am new to mysql, just installed it and i have the Red Hat Bible
[11:30] <VivekVC> here which i use as a guide..., wondering if i can get a GUI for mysql,
[11:30] <VivekVC> anyways if there exists one i'll try to learn it via the command line interface.
[11:30] <pisuke> VivekVC, maybe you could install phpmyadmin
[11:30] <Gagatan> VivekVC: there are numerous gui for mysql.. try freshmeat.net
[11:30] <VivekVC> Gagatan: ok
[11:31] <topyli> VivekVC: mysqlcc is mysql's own gui
[11:31] <VivekVC> topyli: ok, you have a reference URL for mysqlcc ?
[11:31] <VivekVC> will try to google though
[11:31] <topyli> it's in universe i guess
[11:32] <scizzo> VivekVC: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/index.html
[11:33] <scizzo> VivekVC: you should look at that...even though it is hard...
[11:33] <VivekVC> scopecrp: ok
[11:33] <VivekVC> topyli: ok
[11:34] <Falstius> serengeti, you could try running a liveCD and making sure all of your partitions will mount.
[11:34] <VivekVC> Thanks all of you for your assistance.
[11:34] <topyli> VivekVC: don't expect mysqlcc to be like ms access though :)
[11:34] <Serengeti> Falstius: thanks gonna try that
[11:35] <Falstius> and if you were messing with udev .. that could do it.
[11:35] <Serengeti> no i only have acpi=off option in boot parameters
[11:35] <VivekVC> topyli: I've never used a database server in my life, not even the
[11:35] <VivekVC> Micro$oft ones like ms access :)
[11:36] <Serengeti> cos it was hanging like hell with acpi
[11:36] <Serengeti> it's an old system
[11:36] <Serengeti> k6-2 550
[11:36] <Falstius> Serengeti: yeah, ubuntu has an unfortunately bad ACPI setup
[11:36] <topyli> VivekVC: do you actually need an industrial strength database? perhaps openoffice's db will do
[11:36] <Serengeti> but i've run memtest for a couple of hours
[11:36] <Serengeti> and hdd is also ok
[11:37] <Serengeti> ok I'll try the livecd :)
[11:37] <VivekVC> topyli: Its for www.indlinux.org, i am asked to look at a php+mysql
[11:37] <VivekVC> based wiki model website.
[11:38] <tasuki> hello, can anyone help me? nautilus from ubuntu doesnt display the sidebar, and I really do not know what to do with it
[11:38] <Serengeti> Falstius thanks for the help
[11:38] <topyli> VivekVC: ok then. that's web today. complex shit :)
[11:38] <VivekVC> Karunakar (IndLinux Founder) wants me to suggest a migration path,
[11:38] <VivekVC> if we can find a ligter application.
[11:38] <VivekVC> topyli: ok
[11:39] <VivekVC> ligter=lighter*
[11:40] <Cyberjames> Hi! anyone have been try used php-sa-mysql ??
[11:40] <topyli> VivekVC: if the wiki install scripts are good, they should setup the mysql databases for you
[11:40] <Serengeti> tasuki go to Computer -> desktop prefs -> file management -> behaviour -> always open in browser windows
[11:41] <Serengeti> but i like spatial mode better (without sidebars and stuff ;)
[11:42] <tasuki> serengeti: thanks :)
[11:42] <topyli> Serengeti: yeah, it's a good default. you can always "browse" when you actually need to
[11:43] <Serengeti> i need browse mode when there's some config file deep in the tree but for everyday work spatial is faster :)
[11:44] <VivekVC> topyli: ok
[11:45] <topyli> this infrared dongle makes me a nervous wreck. "standard stuff", they say. "should work just fine", they say. "just get one of those", they say. where are "they" now, i ask :)
[11:47] <siimo> when i have a ssh server running on my PC does it mean i can SFTP or scp too ?
[11:47] <topyli> siimo: yes
[11:48] <siimo> ok thx
[11:48] <Riddell> siimo: if sftp is enabled
[11:48] <siimo> how will i verify that
[11:48] <Riddell> siimo: grep sftp /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[11:49] <topyli> maybe i'll just go to the office and relax a bit, do some work. no irda devices there
[11:50] <topyli> Riddell: i think it's enabled by default
[11:50] <siimo> Subsystem       sftp    /usr/lib/ssh/sftp-server is what it says
[11:52] <fraggsta> I can't use the nvidia display driver version 6629 as ubuntu has installed for me, is there any way I can install version 6111 via apt?
[11:52] <Riddell> siimo: so you're sorted
[11:53] <siimo> :)
[11:54] <topyli> Riddell, siimo: hmm. i'm not so sure anymore. there's no /usr/lib/ssh/sftp-server
[11:54] <topyli> anyway, i think it works, but i don't know why :)
[11:55] <siimo> topyli, there is for me.. i didnt use ubuntu package i did make install
[11:55] <Riddell> topyli: depending on your version it may be /usr/lib/sftp-server
[11:55] <topyli> Riddell: yes, there it is
[11:57] <topyli> blast! i just setup irda on windows in a matter of minutes
[11:57] <topyli> this doesn't look good
[11:58] <scoon> topyli, i am sorry.
[11:58] <topyli> scoon: heh, thanks for your sympathy
[11:59] <scoon> topyli, i have to use nt4 at work.  god it really sux
[11:59] <scoon> topyli, usually for lunch i go and punch a wall or beat my head on the ground to forgeat the morning pain
[12:00] <topyli> scoon: you should upgrade to win2k quickly before someone sets you up on xp
[12:00] <scoon> topyli, I work for a city planning agency.  it is a f'ing miracle that we are still no 3.1
[12:00] <scoon> topyli, besides, all that crap is just crap.
[12:01] <topyli> i can use whatever i want at work, which is nice
[12:01] <topyli> this windows box is at home :)
[12:02] <topyli> anyway, my phone works with windows through cable or irda. it's unfair i can't manage either on linux
[12:03] <scoon> topyli, what kind of phone is it ?
[12:04] <topyli> an older nokia communicator, the 9210
[12:04] <siimo> OMG i can remotely shut down sshd over a ssh connection and still continue to work?
[12:05] <topyli> siimo: that's news to me :)
[12:05] <siimo> topyli, maybe you only need sshd to log the user in ?
[12:05] <siimo> i managed to restart sshd renotely
[12:05] <topyli> i guess then
[12:05] <scoon> topyli, http://tuxmobil.org/phones_linux_nokia.html
[12:06] <scoon> topyli, http://www.koeniglich.de/p3nfs.html
[12:06] <topyli> scoon: believe me, i know those by heart :)
[12:06] <scoon> topyli, http://www.koeniglich.de/p3nfs.html
[12:06] <scoon> topyli, what is the problem then.  kernel ?
[12:06] <topyli> p3nfs sorta kinda works but is not very reliable
[12:07] <topyli> scoon: the irda stuff i just don't know, may be kernel, maybe that the howto is too old to know about udev and stuff
[12:08] <scoon> topyli, http://www.koeniglich.de/p3nfs/Epoc32_R6
[12:08] <topyli> scoon: the p3nfs trouble may be phone-side nfsapp-problems
[12:09] <MM2> which is best Xeditor for ubuntu for programming?
[12:09] <scoon> topyli, well udev should not matter as much.  it is a layer ON TOP OF the kernel.
[12:09] <scoon> topyli, if the kenerl is set up correctly, then the UDEV should really only need a minor tweak, if that.
[12:09] <topyli> scoon: well, it didn't make the ir* devices while loading modules. i may need to reboot again, i can't remember what i've changed since last boot
[12:09] <scoon> topyli, ah.
[12:11] <siimo> how do i start a program remotely via SSH and still have it running when i log out? like a wget download?
[12:11] <swiftrhett> hi
[12:11] <swiftrhett> i'm new to ubuntu
[12:11] <topyli> scoon: hmm, irdadump does see traffic trying to get out of the computer
[12:11] <scizzo> siimo: learn how to use screen
[12:12] <swiftrhett> I just got a really strong recommendation for it
[12:12] <scizzo> siimo: I am using it for my irc klient
[12:12] <swiftrhett> I used to use redhat, but I don't wanna pay
[12:12] <siimo> scizzo, screen?
[12:12] <scizzo> siimo: man screen
[12:12] <swiftrhett> anyone here use suse?
[12:13] <scoon> topyli, what kernel are you using ?
[12:13] <Skwid_> how do I change init level in ubuntu ?
[12:13] <Skwid_> to go in console mode ???
[12:13] <scizzo> siimo: just type screen in a terminal
[12:13] <topyli> scoon: 2.6.8.1
[12:13] <scizzo> siimo: press Ctrl+a+d
[12:13] <swiftrhett> skwid, is it in /etc/inittab?
[12:13] <scoon> topyli, from ubuntu ?
[12:13] <scizzo> siimo: it will put itself in the background
[12:13] <srng> MM2 what language?
[12:13] <topyli> scoon: yes
[12:13] <siimo> scizzo, what about if i use &
[12:13] <MM2> srng: java gedit seems like it...
[12:13] <scoon> topyli, you may be better served looking at "rolling" your own kernel.
[12:14] <scizzo> siimo: when you want to wake it up again then just type screen -rd
[12:14] <Skwid_> swiftrhett: what do you mean ?
[12:14] <scizzo> siimo: sure...
[12:14] <scoon> topyli, for example, I have bluetooth logitech keys and mouse.
[12:14] <topyli> scoon: yes, that's what the howto writers seem to do
[12:14] <srng> MM2 have you tried jEdit?
[12:14] <AL|EN> Hi all
[12:14] <swiftrhett> swid, edit, /etc/inittab, and restart
[12:14] <scoon> topyli, i use a 2.6.9 vanilla with bluetooth patches and ck patch for fun
[12:15] <MM2> Serengeti: nope, I'll try it next
[12:15] <Serengeti> but I think it's not in synaptic
[12:15] <scoon> topyli, even tho there is bluetooth in the ubuntu kernel it is only the boot proto which does not allow me to use my multimedia keys.
[12:15] <AL|EN> Does Ubuntu support USB ADSL modems like Zoom5510A?
[12:15] <Serengeti> MM2: you'd need to go to www.jedit.org and get java installer
[12:16] <topyli> scoon: well, if i built my own kernel i'd know what it's like at least :)
[12:16] <MM2> Serengeti: glimmer also looks fine :)
[12:16] <scizzo> MM2: anjuta?
[12:16] <stuNNed> AL|EN, why don't you google if Linux supports that modem and if so, ubuntu probly does :)
[12:16] <siimo> scizzo, so i can 'screen wget url' and logout?
[12:16] <scizzo> :P
[12:16] <scoon> topyli, well if anything you would have much finer control over what gets into your kernel.
[12:16] <Serengeti> MM2: and MonoDevelop is nice and does java too
[12:16] <scizzo> siimo: have you tried the things I said?
[12:17] <MM2> Serengeti: and maybe I give a netbeans also a try :)
[12:17] <siimo> scizzo, yes
[12:17] <scoon> topyli, remember any distro kernel is going to be the most generic so that the kernel will work for more people right out of the box.
[12:17] <Serengeti> mm2: too many choices :) i've seen netbeans on windows and it looked cool :)
[12:18] <topyli> scoon: yes. i haven't built any kernels since maybe redhat 6.2 but i do know my hardware so i might end up with a nice one
[12:18] <scoon> Serengeti, netbeans is nice.  eclipse 3.1 works with java5 as well
[12:18] <Skwid_> swiftrhett: i don't want to do it everytime
[12:18] <MM2> Serengeti: netbeans is javabased, so it should work in linux too, sun gives linux installer too
[12:18] <Skwid_> just once
[12:18] <scoon> topyli, hell yeah you will.
[12:18] <scizzo> siimo: just type screen and then in the terminal it creates run wget or irssi or whatever...
[12:19] <scoon> topyli, why not take that crappy winhell box and dump that garbage and put ubuntu on it.
[12:19] <scoon> topyli, make it you "kernel testing" box.  you now make it do something worth being on for.
[12:19] <scizzo> siimo: as soon as you want to put it in the background...just hit Ctrl+a+d
[12:19] <scoon> :)
[12:19] <topyli> scoon: that's not mine, it's the lady's production box
[12:19] <scizzo> siimo: invoke it with screen -rd
[12:19] <scoon> topyli, oh one of those.
[12:19] <scoon> topyli, mine uses XP.
[12:20] <siimo> scizzo, but then can i log out ? what im saying is i want to log in via ssh remotely start wget and then close this terminal i logged in from
[12:20] <Skwid_> help :'(
[12:20] <topyli> scoon: this is 98SE. i upgraded her to 2k but it was "somehow different" ;)
[12:20] <scoon> topyli, she loves all that macromedia stuff and it is hard to sell her on bluefish :)
[12:20] <scizzo> siimo: yes you can
[12:20] <scizzo> siimo: its put in the background
[12:20] <Serengeti> scoon: I use eclipse 3.1 with cdt for my c++ programming
[12:20] <siimo> ok
[12:21] <scizzo> of the remote machine
[12:21] <scoon> Serengeti, you can also use it for python.  i like eclipse a lot
[12:21] <scizzo> the only time it will get killed is if you exit it....or if the remote machine reboots or something simular
[12:21] <Serengeti> scoon: didn't know about python
[12:21] <Skwid_> how do I go in console mode only ??? pleaseeeeeeeeee
[12:21] <scoon> Serengeti, but netbeans is starting to look real nice.
[12:21] <scizzo> siimo: look at it like a emulator or a terminal that has the ability to stay up all the time...
[12:21] <Serengeti> scoon: what plugin do i need to do python?
[12:22] <MM2> Skwid_: start to recovery mode :)
[12:22] <Skwid_> MM2: i have to reboot ??!!
[12:22] <scizzo> siimo: make sure you start the screen thingy on the remote machine and not your own
[12:23] <siimo> scizzo, now if i type screen it complains some directory in my /home must have mode 700
[12:23] <MM2> Skwid_: try ctrl+alt+f1
[12:23] <scizzo> ls -l directory/
[12:23] <scizzo> siimo: its a terminal
[12:24] <MM2> Skwid_: try ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to GUI... (hopefully you are still here :))
[12:24] <siimo> scizzo, its 755
[12:25] <Serengeti> scoon, I guess PyDev is an answer :)
[12:25] <scizzo> siimo: you get that error by typing screen?
[12:26] <scoon> Serengeti, sorry.  yes.  i believe that is it.
[12:26] <scoon> Serengeti, i installed it quite some time ago. but that sounds right.
[12:26] <siimo> scizzo, yes
[12:27] <scizzo> siimo: sounds weird
[12:27] <scizzo> siimo: never had problems starting it
[12:27] <scylax> how can i listen to .asx flux ?
[12:27] <Serengeti> scoon: I asked cos there seems to be a couple of projects, some of them dead
[12:27] <Serengeti> scoon: but pydev looks good :)
[12:28] <scizzo> siimo: I just login to my machine at home and then type screen
[12:28] <scizzo> siimo: and then start to work in the terminal it gives me
[12:28] <scoon> Serengeti, i also like using gvim of all things.  it colors right off the bat.
[12:28] <swiftrhett> I hate debian.  Will I hate ubuntu?
[12:29] <siimo> scizzo, i think i managed it now :)
[12:29] <siimo> thanks
[12:29] <MM2> swiftrhett: depends :)
[12:29] <scizzo> siimo: aa..ok
[12:30] <swiftrhett> i couldn't install debian last time i tried
[12:30] <swiftrhett> and redhat 9 was awesome
[12:30] <swiftrhett> so, my quandary is to use ubuntu, or suse
[12:31] <swiftrhett> ubuntu was highly recommended
[12:31] <MM2> swiftrhett: them are old distros, ubuntu is much newer
[12:31] <scylax> try both
[12:31] <MM2> swiftrhett: and Fedora Core :)
[12:31] <scylax> suse 9.2 pro is okay,but i prefer apt-get over yast
[12:31] <MM2> rpm sucks bad :(
[12:32] <swiftrhett> oh suse uses rpm, don't they?
[12:32] <scylax> yes
[12:33] <swiftrhett> ok, well all I want it to be able to install and upgrade things easy when I want to, have a really nice GUI, have it use all my hardware right, basically replace a windows box
[12:33] <swiftrhett> set up open office, be able to print, etc.
[12:33] <MM2> ubuntu could do that, only thing I need is photoshop...
[12:34] <swiftrhett> oh yeah, i need photoshop too
[12:34] <swiftrhett> gimp is good, right?
[12:34] <MM2> good, but not photoshop...
[12:34] <swiftrhett> hmmm
[12:34] <swiftrhett> so what do you do, have a windows box too?
[12:34] <MM2> I have dual boot...
[12:35] <MM2> but give also gimp a try
[12:35] <swiftrhett> with machines so cheap, I would just get two
[12:35] <MM2> swiftrhett: give me a box too :D
[12:36] <Serengeti> gotta go and try this liveCD on my dad's panicked computer...
[12:36] <swiftrhett> seren, knoppix saved my computer
[12:36] <MM2> ah, good, swiftrhett try live cd!
[12:36] <swiftrhett> great idea
[12:36] <jamin_l> my box is dual-boot as well
[12:37] <Serengeti> just in case anybody had any new ideas, the problem is:
[12:37] <MM2> and you also can try terminal client to access windows box :)
[12:37] <swiftrhett> for $200, you can buy a good linux box
[12:37] <jamin_l> aside from being a moron and forgetting that /home needs to be formatted in Linux favourite format, things are great
[12:37] <Serengeti>  Starting Ubuntu...
[12:37] <Serengeti> pivot_root: No such file or directory
[12:37] <swiftrhett> dual boot is a curse, i gave that up like 6 years ago
[12:37] <krischan> Hello guys! Yesterday I migrated my hard drive into a new computer. It was 'hdd' before, now it's 'hda'. Naturally the boot loader doesn't find the boot partition any more. Could anyone give me some guidance how I can correct that, please?
[12:37] <MM2> I found that last week, made me skitsofrenic... I have windows in terminal now :)
[12:37] <Serengeti> /sbin/init: 429: cannot open /dev/console: No such file
[12:37] <jamin_l> i can even read my fat32 Windows drive
[12:37] <Serengeti> Kernel panic: attempted to kill init!
[12:37] <jamin_l> meh i love it
[12:37] <jamin_l> i only use Windows side for games now
[12:38] <scizzo> MM2: gimp != photoshop and will never be
[12:38] <topyli> jamin_l: nethack runs on linux too!
[12:38] <scoon> Serengeti, that happens when you boot up.
[12:38] <Serengeti> scoon: yes
[12:38] <MM2> scizzo: I agree that
[12:38] <jamin_l> no idea what nethack is, sorry
[12:38] <scoon> scizzo, only MAYBE
[12:38] <scizzo> scoon: only maybe ?
[12:38] <swiftrhett> I only use two monitors now on each machine
[12:38] <MM2> scizzo: photoshop is also 1000e more expensive...
[12:39] <Serengeti> scoon the whole story is there: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11752
[12:39] <topyli> jamin_l: actually it's one of the standard unix utilities: http://nethack.org
[12:39] <scoon> scizzo, depends on what you mean.  will fotoshop ever be as good as gimp.  prolly not.
[12:39] <swiftrhett> photoshop is the most pirated software if anyone here knows anyone evil enough to do that
[12:39] <scoon> Serengeti, ok.  i will look at it.
[12:39] <scizzo> scoon: ummm.... != means not equal
[12:39] <MM2> krischan: try HD to different cable and as a slave
[12:39] <Serengeti> scoon: thanks :)
[12:40] <scoon> scizzo, i know exactly what that means.
[12:40] <topyli> swiftrhett: hehe. i have rich friends, they all have about $20000 worth of windows software
[12:40] <scizzo> scoon: ;)
[12:40] <scoon> scizzo, read what i wrote more carefully.
[12:40] <scoon> scizzo, should i hold your hand thru it and let you in that i wrote a play on words ?
[12:41] <scoon> scizzo, unless of course, you meant what I typed.
[12:42] <krischan> MM2, no that's not the point, I want my hard drive to be primary master. The question: how do I configure the boot loader to boot from hda now.
[12:42] <scoon> Serengeti, did you check and make certain that /etc/fstab has your drives listed corectly.
[12:42] <MM2> krischan: try sec. slave first, boot and change bootloader
[12:42] <scoon> Serengeti, have you used a live cd and fsck'd the drive ?
[12:42] <scizzo> swiftrhett: just so you know....GEGL should be a part of GIMP for the next big stable release....however the 2.2 release has just started so its mostly bug fix releases now before the next 2.x.0 release
[12:42] <Serengeti> scoon: not yet i was going to do it
[12:42] <MM2> krischan: or boot with emergency disk and fix bootloader
[12:43] <Serengeti> scoon: fstab was ok last time i checked
[12:43] <jamin_l> what is GEGL?
[12:43] <scoon> Serengeti, those would be the first 2 places i'd start. fsck first and then double check fstab.
[12:43] <scizzo> scoon: that is why I did a ;)
[12:43] <krischan> MM2, emergency disk is a good point: can I use my Ubuntu Install Disc as emergency disc, or do I have to download/create one?
[12:43] <scoon> scizzo, right on.
[12:44] <MM2> krischan: I don't know...
[12:44] <scizzo> jamin_l: www.gegl.org
[12:44] <Serengeti> scoon: ok so I'll be back :) gotta go do some fscking :)
[12:44] <scoon> Serengeti, yup, yup.  laters
[12:44] <jamin_l> and what the heck is fstab - i hear the term thrown around a lot
[12:44] <Serengeti> scoon: thanks, bye
[12:45] <scizzo> jamin_l: fstab - static information about the filesystems
[12:45] <scylax> it's a file you can use to mount partitions at boot
[12:46] <scizzo> scoon: in some weird way I am overprotected about the GIMP project because of all the weird comments that has been said about it....
[12:46] <jamin_l> is there an equivalent to it in Windows?
[12:46] <topyli> scoon: hehe. so i can mount the phone with p3nfs, copy a couple of files, and crash the phone, mc, and gnome :)
[12:46] <jamin_l> also does linux have an equivalent of Windows Registry?
[12:46] <scoon> scizzo, i understand that.
[12:46] <scylax> no... linux programs store their settings in regular text files
[12:46] <scoon> topyli, with a stock kernel ?
[12:47] <scoon> topyli, and with irda ?
[12:47] <scizzo> jamin_l: isn't this a weird place to ask about M$ stuff?
[12:47] <topyli> scoon: stock kernel, and the nokia serial cable. the phone won't see the irda dongle
[12:47] <scoon> jamin_l, not really.  the registry is one of the many many major flaws w/ windows.
[12:47] <scizzo> scoon: hehe... :)
[12:48] <topyli> scoon: by stock i mean ubuntu kernel
[12:48] <scoon> topyli, i would guess that if you roll your own kernel that you would be able to use irda
[12:48] <scoon> topyli, i understand.  that is what i mean as well stock == distro
[12:49] <scoon> scizzo, note in my last comment ==      ;)
[12:49] <topyli> also, the files (a couple of ppt presentations) crash the nokia presentation app, i guess they didn't quite come thru :)
[12:49] <scylax> pls how can i listen to asx files, or mms:// flux?? mplayer won't work
[12:50] <hokky> Anyone using Bluefish HTML editor here? I can't get the "File -> Open URL..." dialog to work.
[12:50] <topyli> scoon: the only thing involved that didn't crash was p3nfsd :)
[12:51] <topyli> i just shut it down cleanly after i could bring up something in gnome with a command line
[12:52] <icerogue> is there anyway to install a rpm package?
[12:53] <scylax> alien i think
[12:53] <topyli> icerogue: cannot find a source package?
[12:54] <icerogue> yeah they have that too
[12:54] <hokky> I usually used "alien -d therpmfile.rpm" and then "dpkg -i therpmfile.deb".
[12:55] <topyli> icerogue: you can probably make a better deb from the source than from the rpm
[12:55] <icerogue> how would i do that?
[12:56] <topyli> icerogue: with checkinstall i guess if you don't want to learn :)
[12:56] <topyli> if you do, there's the apt-howto
[12:57] <icerogue> i should be able to do it the old fasioned way with make though right?
[12:57] <no0tic> I've a problem with audio; every time I reboot, the volume manager panel applet starts but crashes. If I restart alsa I have to reset all volumes. In hoary
[12:58] <topyli> icerogue: yes. checkinstall just changes the "make install" part with building a deb and installing that
[12:58] <icerogue> wheres the apt-howto though
[12:58] <icerogue> im all about learning
[12:58] <icerogue> lol
[12:58] <topyli> icerogue: dunno. on the internet i guess :)
[12:58] <icerogue> ok
[12:58] <scoon> no0tic, set up your mixer the way you want it and then sudo alsactl store
[12:59] <no0tic> scoon: thanks
[12:59] <topyli> icerogue: or apt-get it, there must be a package like apt-howto-en
[12:59] <no0tic> scoon: I will test if it works
[01:00] <icerogue> yeah there is
[01:01] <icerogue> its to bad that real vnc isnt in the apt-get tree
[01:02] <topyli> icerogue: tightvnc is there
[01:03] <icerogue> how well does that work?
[01:03] <Falstius> are there any good instructions for installing one linux (from a mounted ISO) while booted in another one?
[01:03] <topyli> might as well build the matrox framebuffer. should i run x on it or just the consoles you think?
[01:03] <no0tic> I've acpi enabled & powernowd running but the system doesn't recognize properly cpu frequency (it scales freq but it shows wrong values...)
[01:04] <lizardking> hello
[01:04] <lizardking> i have a problem
[01:04] <lizardking> someONe can help me?
[01:04] <lizardking> please
[01:04] <icerogue>  lizardking: whats the issue
[01:04] <lizardking> ok
[01:04] <icerogue>  lizardking: dont ask to ask just ask
[01:05] <lizardking> I'm with gnome and i have set the "preview " of audio files in local.But when i'm over an mp3 file  i don't heard nothing!Someone knows why?
[01:06] <icerogue>  lizardking: what files do work?
[01:06] <scoon> yes lizardking, someone does know why !
[01:06] <lizardking> I cannot hear "previe"of mp3 file
[01:06] <topyli> lizardking: does mp3 support work in general?
[01:06] <lizardking> yes in xmms work
[01:06] <lizardking> s
[01:06] <lizardking> and also in audio view with nautilus
[01:07] <scoon> lizardking, if i remember you need gstreamer-mad plug-in
[01:07] <scoon> lizardking, nautilus uses gstreamer for that detail
[01:07] <lizardking> now i try tp apt-get it
[01:08] <topyli> lizardking: gstreamer-mad0.8 or something, there are different versions
[01:08] <lizardking> yes i have isntalled both
[01:09] <lizardking> I install it now
[01:09] <lizardking> i try...
[01:09] <lizardking> nothing
[01:10] <scoon> lizardking, read this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4084&highlight=nautilus+mp3
[01:10] <scoon> lizardking, seems like sox will do it for you.
[01:10] <lizardking> perfect
[01:10] <lizardking> wait
[01:11] <lizardking> I'm installing sox...
[01:11] <lizardking> now it worksssssss
[01:11] <lizardking> GOOOOOD
[01:11] <lizardking> i had already try to find in the forum but nothing
[01:11] <lizardking> U are wonderful
[01:11] <lizardking> thnkx
[01:12] <tedb_> hi
[01:12] <Stew2> What's the latest, -STABLE- nvidia drivers for Ubuntu for a TNT 2? I have a Diamond V770. It locks up sometimes. Some people said the latest wasn't the best.
[01:13] <Stew2> How do I kill X so I can install the different (5336) nvidia drivers.
[01:14] <kent> when i first installed Ubuntu warty, i might have edited the users and groupe and enabled the root-account. What should i do to make it back as Ubuntu wanted it default? Can i just delete the root-account with the user tool in gnome? Or will that give me trouble?
[01:14] <tedb_> I try to setup postfix with a smarthost, but on the client machine it does not seem to use the aliases file (as in: i want all mail sent to root on the client machine be sent to a specific user on the smarthost)... any idea?
[01:14] <nanotech> i'm trying to remove and install new vid drivers due to a HW upgrade, and i'm needing help.
[01:15] <siretart> kent: dont delete the root account. just use "sudo passwd -l"
[01:15] <nanotech> i removed the package that was the old nvidia driver...
[01:15] <nanotech> then installed the package that i believed was the newest one...(gooled it, and apt chche searched it)
[01:15] <icerogue> ok one of two things, i got tightvnc-server through apt-get, where is it, and how do i start it
[01:15] <icerogue> i am using fluxbox for my x btw
[01:16] <nanotech> however, when ever i try to run a x session it looks like no driver's installed whatsoever...i get a "no screen" error (or something along those lines)
[01:17] <zeedo> icerogue: run vncserver
[01:17] <kent> siretart, hmm, i must do something wrong, becaus "sudo passwd -l" dont do much. Should there be another option?
[01:18] <siretart> kent: "sudo passwd -l" dont give any output. if you dont get an error message, everything went fine
[01:18] <icerogue> how do i get it to run at start-up then?
[01:18] <nanotech> i'm new to ubuntu, and linux in general, could i please get some help? the package i tried installing was fglrx-driver
[01:18] <kent> siretart,   "sudo passwd -l root" did it :)  Thanks!
[01:19] <tedb_> i will rephrase my question: how do i make postfix send mail sent to root on the local machine to a specific user on the mail server?
[01:20] <JamesDotCom> /etc/postfix/aliases
[01:20] <tedb_> JamesDotCom: yeah, that's what i thought, but it doesn't work
[01:21] <nanotech> i'm sure there's soemthing at the forums
[01:21] <kent> Stew2, i have the same card, and the nvidia drivers dont even work in xorg (Hoary, the unstable branch of Ubuntu). Its not Ubuntus fault though..
[01:22] <Stew2> kent How do I kill X? When i press ctrl alt backspace, it starts right back up again. Yet another annoying ubuntu 'feature'.
[01:23] <zeedo> thats not an annoying ubuntu feature, thats what ctrl+alt+backspace in X does
[01:23] <Stew2> kent is there a way from the shell? I'm ssh'd into the box.
[01:23] <Stew2> zeedo It doesn't just kill X, it restarts it?
[01:24] <Casanova> i am new to linux. i had installed ubuntu in my system. Just now... i installed red hat too (in a separate partition).... now the grub window of red hat does not show ubuntu. How do i modify the grub suitably?
[01:24] <zeedo> Stew2: type sudo init 3
[01:24] <Stew2> How do I simply kill X? And then restart it later?
[01:24] <nanotech> nm, i can't go to the forums due to crap ISP not letting me resolve DNS names
[01:24] <Stew2> zeedo: Does that shut down X?
[01:26] <Casanova> does somebody know how to help me?
[01:27] <tedb_> Casanova: go to /boot/grub and add the entry to boot ubuntu
[01:27] <bj_> when i ctrl alt bkspc gdm doesnt start up again. wassup wit dat?
[01:27] <kent> Stew2, ctrl+alt+backspace kills it,  but it is configured to spawn again, since its run from /etc/init.d/gdm  (i think). To kill it, use "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"  (change stop to start to start it again)
[01:27] <knghtbrd> uhoh
[01:27] <tedb_> Casanova: file menu.lst
[01:27] <Casanova> tedb_, what is the entry i have to add?
[01:28] <Casanova> tedb_, i have ubuntu ionstalled in hdb1
[01:28] <knghtbrd> dammit, I knew if I started playing with Linux again I'd start doing this  =D
[01:28] <Falstius> Casanova:  you can look in the /boot/grub/menu.1st directory of your ubuntu partition for what to add
[01:28] <Stew2> kent THAT WORKED GREAT
[01:28] <Falstius> and in redhat the grub config file might but /boot/grub/grub.conf and not menu.1st
[01:29] <Casanova> Falstius, what is the entry that i have to modify and how? i am new to linux
[01:30] <kent> Stew2, i think thats the most easy'est way to start/stop X (gdm, which is the login-program that handles X)
[01:30] <tedb_> Casanova: mount your ubuntu from redhat.
[01:31] <tedb_> mkdir /ubuntu
[01:31] <tedb_> mount /dev/hdb1 /ubuntu
[01:31] <knghtbrd> I have this Celeron 400 sitting here.  It's more or less taking up (way too much) space, has a dodgy CDROM, a 6 GB HD (which has to be considered dodgy because it's 6GB, that puts it > 5 years old!), and this crappy ISA(!?) modem, needs new CMOS battery.
[01:31] <tedb_> Casanova: and look in /ubuntu/boot/grub/menu.lst for the correct entry. the file is rather self-explanatory
[01:31] <poningru> I'll buy it
[01:31] <poningru> knghtbrd
[01:31] <Casanova> tedb_, thanx i will try it
[01:32] <poningru> I'd give about $40 depending on how much PCIs that thing has open
[01:32] <Stew2> How do I find out what kernal I'm using?
[01:32] <poningru> nah just get a new one
[01:33] <topyli> Stew2: cat /proc/version
[01:33] <knghtbrd> Might be more reasonable if the thing were mATX, this thing looks full ATX
[01:34] <knghtbrd> the idea of doing thos whole thing as a fanless firewall appliance is appealing.
[01:34] <scoon> Stew2, or uname -a
[01:35] <da_bon_bon> is there any way of speeding up opengl in wine
[01:35] <Stew2> topyli thanks
[01:36] <knghtbrd> da_bon_bon: not really, if it already does not run with software emulation
[01:36] <arabflak> Hey :)
[01:36] <da_bon_bon> knghtbrd: how do i check ?
[01:36] <arabflak> Ehm, I was wondering if anyone could help me install my Geforce 5600 under Ubuntu.
[01:36] <knghtbrd> da_bon_bon: how fast does it run?
[01:36] <arabflak> Because I'm failing at it :)
[01:36] <Stew2> How do I install kernel sources when my kernel is version 2.6.8?
[01:37] <knghtbrd> da_bon_bon: if it runs at frames per second, it's accelerated.  If it runs at seconds per frame, it's not  ;)
[01:37] <da_bon_bon> knghtbrd: in cs, on wine, and cedega, i get a speed of 4fps on opengl
[01:37] <knghtbrd> ew
[01:37] <knghtbrd> for which game?
[01:38] <da_bon_bon> counter strike
[01:38] <da_bon_bon> ok, wine it is then
[01:38] <Falstius> da_bon_bon: at least you'll have a good excuse for getting fragged . . .
[01:39] <knghtbrd> hah
[01:39] <da_bon_bon> Falstius: i dont play on net. i play against bots.
[01:39] <scizzo> Stew2: you want to compile it?
[01:39] <scizzo> Stew2: or you just want to upgrade to a newer kernel for ubuntu using the packages?
[01:39] <knghtbrd> you know, we tried to port HL to Linux once (Linux quake people)
[01:39] <Stew2> scizzo: well, I tried downloading a slightly older Nvidia driver and it said I didn't have kernel support. My kernel was too new.
[01:40] <Falstius> da_bon_bon: even better, they'll be dumb enough to believe you ;)
[01:40] <knghtbrd> The conclusion: We can't port this shit.  =D
[01:40] <knghtbrd> MFC madness.
[01:40] <Stew2> scizzo: So, now I'm just getting the newest one from the site.
[01:40] <Stew2> scizzo: I don't know what I got with apt-get install nvidia...
[01:40] <da_bon_bon> knghtbrd, Falstius: is there any way to make opengl faster ?
[01:42] <knghtbrd> I'm researching, my personal RAM is more random than it ought to be.  ;)
[01:42] <arabflak> Hmz, I guess I'm talking to thin air :P
[01:42] <arabflak> I've been through Suse, Debian and Gentoo.
[01:42] <arabflak> Only Suse worked.
[01:43] <arabflak> Now I'm in Ubuntu :)
[01:43] <knghtbrd> arabflak: the 5600 should work with the NV drivers?
[01:43] <arabflak> Yay :)
[01:43] <arabflak> Yeah, knghtbrd, but I can't seem to install the drivers.
[01:43] <knghtbrd> oh, do you have .. I don't think it's still called NV_driver ... loaded?
[01:44] <arabflak> I've activated my root account, killed GDM, sh'd the .run from Nvidia, it said it couldn't match my kernel and if I wanted to try and find better ones at download.nvidia.com.
[01:44] <knghtbrd> crap, the kernel module, whatever it was  =D
[01:44] <arabflak> It couldn't find any, so if I wanted to compile right ones.
[01:44] <arabflak> I couldn't because I didn't have a CC compiler.
[01:44] <knghtbrd> oh, Ubuntu has their own package for NV drivers
[01:44] <arabflak> And how do I get those? (install those :P)
[01:44] <daniels> knghtbrd: NV or nVidia?
[01:45] <scizzo> arabflak: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3713.html
[01:45] <daniels> arabflak: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriversHowto
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> how is plex86 vs. bochs ?
[01:45] <scizzo> arabflak: there is a small howto there about the drivers....but maybe daniels link is better... :P
[01:45] <knghtbrd> knghtbrd@yumi:~$ ssh 192.168.0.6 # ubuntu zeroconf please!  =D
[01:46] <arabflak> No, scizzo, yours is kind of perfect :)
[01:46] <arabflak> And that also enables the hardware accelerated OpenGL and such?
[01:47] <arabflak> (i need that stuff to run my Blender)
[01:47] <scizzo> daniels: try daniels...but use BinaryDriverHowto
[01:48] <knghtbrd> arabflak: nvidia-kernel-common and either nvidia-kernel-source or the binary package for your drivers
[01:48] <Stew2> Where can I get the kernel source files?
[01:48] <emanuelez> hello * :)
[01:48] <emanuelez> is there a way to read changelogs of the updated packages during apt-get upgrade?
[01:50] <larsrohdin> hey everybody!
[01:51] <larsrohdin> ive downloaded a file in .tbz2 format... how do i do to install it?
[01:51] <haakonn_> has anyone by any chance any experience with the HP Deskjet 3745 USB printer? i'm going to install it later today, anything I should know?
[01:51] <Stew2> kernel source for 2.6.8.1?
[01:51] <haakonn_> or with newer HP printers in general for that matter
[01:52] <scizzo> Stew2: apt-cache search kernel-source
[01:52] <larsrohdin> haakonn, no, sorry
[01:52] <scizzo> Stew2: lists all the kernel-source packages that are downloadable from apt
[01:52] <knghtbrd> arabflak: you making sense of it?
[01:52] <haakonn_> oh well, i see http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/ is run by HP themselves :)
[01:52] <Stew2> scizzo, okay, that's the problem. Kernel source files aren't available at 2.6.8.x
[01:52] <larsrohdin> can someone teach a noob to install .tbz2 files?
[01:53] <scizzo> larsrohdin: you mean tar.bz2?
[01:53] <arabflak> knghtbrd, to be honest, no.
[01:53] <knghtbrd> da_bon_bon: which video card have you got?
[01:53] <arabflak> For some reason my sudo has a password.
[01:53] <emanuelez> larsrohdin: tar jxvf filename
[01:53] <knghtbrd> it's your passwd
[01:53] <larsrohdin> think so...cedega_4.2_deb.tbz2 is the file called
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> knghtbrd: i810 onboard
[01:53] <scizzo> arabflak: it should have a pass
[01:53] <arabflak> Well, trust me, it's not knghtbrd.
[01:53] <ZzeCoOl> evry time i open synaptic just to check if there is something new :) there are tons offf updates (i thing the guys at hoary doing a great job)
[01:53] <arabflak> It's not my password.
[01:53] <haakonn_> wohoo, 3745 is listed as fully supported
[01:53] <knghtbrd> da_bon_bon: oh, then I have solution for you
[01:53] <nanotech> hi i need help in installing the 17jan ati drivers, has anyone here recently done this?
[01:54] <Stew2> arabflak what does "sudo passwd root" do?
[01:54] <arabflak> Skip that :P
[01:54] <scizzo> arabflak: it should be the password you set for the first user you create on the system
[01:54] <knghtbrd> da_bon_bon: BAFVC.
[01:54] <emanuelez> is there a way to read changelogs of the updated packages during apt-get upgrade?
[01:54] <da_bon_bon> whats that ?
[01:54] <arabflak> I already activated my root account, don't worry :P
[01:54] <arabflak> It was my password :P
[01:54] <arabflak> Just mistyped it previously.
[01:54] <Stew2> ZzeCool What does your sources.list look like? Can you send it too me?
[01:54] <knghtbrd> da_bon_bon: have you got an AGP slot in that thing?
[01:54] <da_bon_bon> knghtbrd: yes.
[01:54] <voda> I want to extract something in an directory, but i don't have the permissions. I have to login as root. But where? When i log in as root in the terminal it doesn't work. What to do?
[01:55] <ZzeCoOl> Stew2 of cource
[01:55] <emanuelez> why does apt keep some packages to the previous version?
[01:55] <ZzeCoOl> wait im sending them prive
[01:55] <node> vode: type sudo before ur cmd
[01:55] <scizzo> Stew2: Why set a password for root?
[01:55] <scizzo> Stew2: sudo -s -H works just fine
[01:55] <voda> sudo doesn't work in the terminal...
[01:55] <Stew2> scizzo: Uh, so I can su. I don't want to sudo everything :!
[01:55] <voda> i do: sudo root
[01:56] <node> no
[01:56] <larsrohdin> what about .deb files?
[01:56] <scizzo> Stew2: try sudo -s -H
[01:56] <node> use sudo <command>
[01:56] <scizzo> Stew2: type the password then see what you think
[01:56] <node> larsrohdin, dpkg -i package.deb
[01:57] <arabflak> I prefer root over sudo, that's all I know :P
[01:57] <no0tic> how can I test standby & hybernate?
[01:57] <scizzo> arabflak: try sudo -s -H then
[01:57] <scizzo> ;)
[01:57] <voda> well i am sudo now in the terminal but i cant change the permissions..
[01:58] <ZzeCoOl> Stew2 basicly before do anything plz tell me are u having WARTY or HOARY??
[01:58] <Stew2> zzeco0l warty
[01:58] <ZzeCoOl> wow
[01:58] <ZzeCoOl> wait then
[01:58] <Stew2> I just want to see your sources.list
[01:58] <arabflak> scizzo, I already activated my root account with an alternate password.
[01:58] <ZzeCoOl> the source.list i sent u it is for hoary
[01:58] <ZzeCoOl> if you run upgrade with this
[01:59] <ZzeCoOl> you gonna change to hoary
[01:59] <node> voda, 'sudo chmod / chown -R <new values> file / dir
[01:59] <Stew2> I had heard I could replace warty with hoary in the sources.list. I already have a modified sources.list for warty plus backports. It hasn't been working as simply as I've read.
[01:59] <scizzo> arabflak: I just want you to try it
[01:59] <Stew2> ZzeCo0l That's the idea.
[01:59] <ZzeCoOl> think carefully if you are really want to
[01:59] <larsrohdin> node, ok thanks! worked perfect=)
[01:59] <Guardiann> good morning fellows
[01:59] <Stew2> ZzeCo0l *Thinking*. Uh, okay.
[01:59] <node> happy gaming larsrohdin
[01:59] <zAo^> lo Guardiann
[01:59] <scizzo> arabflak: I also made root a password...but..after reinstalling and reading about sudo a little more...I found out that setting a password for root was evil
[02:00] <larsrohdin> i hope so! never got it to work on fedora... but fedora sucked anyway=)
[02:00] <node> scizzo, whats evil about it ?
[02:00] <node> just make sure its a good passwd :P
[02:00] <funkyhat> o_O fedora doesn't suck
[02:00] <scizzo> well evil from my point of view
[02:00] <arabflak> Hmz, I'm getting loads of errors here...
[02:00] <arabflak> They don't seem pretty :P
[02:01] <node> errors rule
[02:01] <scizzo> node: to restrict access to the root account
[02:01] <Stew2> Hey, I ran: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source
[02:01] <node> well, thats one obvious reason
[02:01] <Stew2> Does that allow me to install the latest nvidia sw? Even if I have to compile it..
[02:01] <lexhider> I'm interested in bug #5632, can anyone else confirm that it's still a problem [it's still a problem for me] .
[02:01] <node> but I've worked with root accounts as long as I use *nix
[02:01] <scizzo> yes me also
[02:01] <voda> node: thx it worked
[02:01] <arabflak> Hmz, let me just reboot my GDM, see ya.
[02:02] <node> voda, cool
[02:02] <scizzo> node: but sudo opens some really cool posibilities
[02:02] <lexhider> try properties on modem-monitor on panel
[02:02] <nanotech> anyone recently install the newest ati drivers? or can help me uninstal nvidia/install ati?
[02:02] <node> scizzo, I probably old-fashoined ;)
[02:03] <node> nanotech, look at www.ubuntuforums.com , there's howto's
[02:03] <scizzo> node: hehe
[02:03] <arabflak> Hmz, I just got an oversized NVIDIA logo in my screen :P
[02:03] <arabflak> That's a good thing :)
[02:03] <nanotech> heh, i appreciate it, but my ISP can't resolve DNS a thte moment
[02:03] <stuNNed> arabflak, lol
[02:03] <nanotech> i already tried it node
[02:03] <arabflak> Now, time to download blender and test it :P
[02:03] <nanotech> that's why i'm bugging ppl in here
[02:04] <funkyhat> what's a/the keyboard shortcut to open a gnome menu?
[02:04] <node> nano, Use another DNS server or browse 66.246.118.210 ;)
[02:04] <St4rs33d> hello
[02:04] <Guardiann> hi
[02:04] <arabflak> Oh, this always bugs me, do I need the static version of blender or not?
[02:04] <St4rs33d> i've tried downloading Warty release live cd
[02:04] <scizzo> funkyhat: Alt+F1
[02:04] <funkyhat> thanks :D
[02:04] <St4rs33d> but it says its almost 700 mb big
[02:04] <arabflak> (question is, do you all know what blender is? :P)
[02:04] <node> i dont
[02:04] <St4rs33d> and everytime i check the finished download...
[02:04] <St4rs33d> its only 500 meg
[02:05] <St4rs33d> is that right?
[02:05] <arabflak> Hmz, I'll download the non static :)
[02:05] <nanotech> heh, my ISP is crap...believe me...theit DNS servers must be flooded. i can't resolve shit. and just got off the phone with them. i'm already alternating between the three dns servers.
[02:05] <trey3> arabflak, yeah... 3d modeling app for linux...
[02:05] <node> nanotech, Use another ISP's DNS
[02:05] <nanotech> the ip # even timmed out
[02:06] <node> should work fine
[02:06] <arabflak> :P And Windows, Mac, Solaris everything, trey3.
[02:06] <nanotech> how?
[02:06] <trey3> arabflak, I was getting to that part... and stuff  :)
[02:06] <node> nanotech, what OS u running ?
[02:06] <nanotech> i'm in xp now...
[02:06] <nanotech> so i can talk in this room
[02:07] <nanotech> due to my ubuntu sessions not being able to start any x sessions
[02:07] <node> well, you can use the network properties to change the DNS
[02:07] <nanotech> due to my drivers.
[02:07] <nanotech> yeah, i know HOW to change the dns settings
[02:07] <node> you can always use BitchX to IRC :P
[02:07] <nanotech> however, i never know i could leech another ISP's settings
[02:08] <node> just google for public DNS
[02:08] <trey3> nanotech, better to use a root server...
[02:08] <invictus> I have a NEC dvdrom, and warty says it cant detect it...neither fedora or debian have problems with it. any ideas?
[02:08] <arabflak> :P
[02:08] <trey3> nanotech, faster
[02:08] <nanotech> true trey!
[02:08] <nanotech> never thought of that
[02:08] <node> sheesh, i neer thought of that either
[02:08] <node> lol
[02:08] <nanotech> :P
[02:09] <jay_> how do i add kde to ubuntu on ppc
[02:09] <nanotech> hopefully things'll wrap up when i can hit the forums
[02:09] <trey3> jay_, apt-get install kde-base
[02:09] <node> apt-get nstall kde-base
[02:09] <trey3> node, beat you nana
[02:09] <node> lol
[02:09] <ZzeCoOl> guys i had a problem with conne ..and i dint saw if anyone answer me .. || if someone install windows after linux what he have to do to install Grub again??>?
[02:09] <jay_> root@ubuntu-ppc:/home/jay # apt-get install kde-base
[02:09] <jay_> Reading Package Lists... Done
[02:09] <jay_> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[02:09] <jay_> E: Couldn't find package kde-base
[02:09] <nanotech> how do i query for root hints/root dns server ip's?
[02:09] <node> enable universe in sources.lost ?
[02:09] <node> list even
[02:10] <jay_> i did
[02:10] <trey3> ZzeCoOl, get a boot disk... or just search for a howto about adding Linux to boot.ini ...
[02:10] <arabflak> Perfect, the OpenGL drivers work :)
[02:10] <trey3> jay_, activate universe
[02:10] <node> try kdebase
[02:10] <node> without the -
[02:10] <ZzeCoOl> a boot disk O_o
[02:11] <trey3> node, its the right package... so yeah... he needs to actually add universe and try again  :/
[02:11] <jay_> i tried kdebase i get a load of Depends: kappfinder (>= 4:3.2.2-1ubuntu2) but it is not installable
[02:11] <jay_> trey3 universe is there
[02:11] <trey3> uhh... actually I meant "kde-core" though... so yeah
[02:11] <ZzeCoOl> jay_  you have repositories problem for sure
[02:12] <ZzeCoOl> if is says it not installable
[02:12] <trey3> jay_, install something individually and see *why* its not installing...
[02:12] <node> haha
[02:12] <node> why use KDE anyways :P
[02:12] <funkyhat> gnome > KDE
[02:12] <ZzeCoOl> yeahh   why kde?
[02:12] <ZzeCoOl> Gnome >>>>>>>>>>>>> kde
[02:12] <trey3> :/
[02:12] <ZzeCoOl> :D
[02:12] <jay_> very well
[02:12] <trey3> Not the point though
[02:12] <jay_> :P
[02:12] <haakonn_> gnome, i have to reluctantly admit, is now better for beginners. as a power user though, i prefer kde :)
[02:13] <knghtbrd> I dunno, in KDE at least you can configure your window manager.  ;)
[02:13] <trey3> knghtbrd, stfu
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[02:13] <trey3> thanks
[02:13] <node> as a power user, u should use CLI ;)
[02:13] <daniels> trey3: be nice now
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> haakonn_ u are missing the point ....
[02:13] <daniels> and no desktop environment wars.
[02:13] <haakonn_> node:  believe me, i have plenty of open shell tabs in konsole ;)
[02:13] <ZzeCoOl> kde is for begginers and Windose guys
[02:13] <trey3> daniels, my bad  :o
[02:13] <haakonn_> ZzeCoOl:  i've used linux since '97, and no windows since :)
[02:14] <ZzeCoOl> gnome is very simple that doeasnt make it ...for beginners
[02:14] <trey3> daniels, thats sooo what I was getting at  :)
[02:14] <knghtbrd> ZzeCoOl: I'd disagree with the former statement.
[02:14] <jay_> sorry i asked :p
[02:14] <haakonn_> ZzeCoOl:  gnome _is_ good for beginners. i think we can agree :)
[02:14] <knghtbrd> ZzeCoOl: KDE and Gnome seem to be rather oppositional in terms of configuration.
[02:14] <trey3> SHUT UP ABOUT KDE vs GNOME... thanks
[02:14] <knghtbrd> a beginner will have an easier time compiling a kernel than setting up KDE
[02:14] <node> gnome seems less bloated imho
[02:14] <emanuelez> my mouse doesn't work with kernel 2.6.10 how do i report this bug?
[02:14] <haakonn_> also, emacs > vim
[02:14] <haakonn_> ;)
[02:15] <knghtbrd> trey3: switch to decaf, geez
[02:15] <ZzeCoOl> ok let say that i agree with u ....PLZ tell me some feature that kde have and it is for EXPERTS
[02:15] <node> emanuelez, click on Applications>Systems Tools> Bug Report Tool ;)
[02:15] <node> oh, u cant click :P
[02:15] <daniels> guys.  kde vs gnome.  not here.
[02:15] <stuNNed> WTF does it matter?  use whatever you want to use, if you like it, use it, that's the beauty of freedom.
[02:15] <arabflak> Let me say, that, as a total noob in Linux, even though I work with linux at work, I daresay that Gnome beats KDE by far when it comes to usability.
[02:15] <haakonn_> ZzeCoOl:  plenty of very visible configuration options which can confuse beginners, or don't interest them
[02:16] <nanotech> can anyone give me a root dns ip? i can't even resolve google...well, at times a page will resolve...but not enough to surf through and find one
[02:16] <knghtbrd> "experts" will use a CLI and FVWM  ;)
[02:16] <emanuelez> node: lol... i'm into 2.6.9 now :) thx :D
[02:16] <ZzeCoOl> daniels Xorg vs XFree?      :PPPPPPPP j/
[02:16] <haakonn_> experts boot emacs from lilo
[02:16] <ZzeCoOl> j/k
[02:16] <knghtbrd> ewwww
[02:16] <node> Beer vs. Free Beer ?
[02:16] <knghtbrd> hehe
[02:18] <ZzeCoOl> haakonn_ beginners is the one that using guis for configuration......... So using your window manager ...is abeginners thing
[02:18] <ZzeCoOl> console is for experts and console is the gnome way
[02:18] <ZzeCoOl> the end
[02:18] <ZzeCoOl> .-
[02:18] <haakonn_> ZzeCoOl:  beginners don't want a lot of configuration options
[02:18] <ZzeCoOl> .-
[02:18] <ZzeCoOl> you are mising the hole point of linux
[02:18] <haakonn_> ok, EOD ;)
[02:18] <node> ..I'm so gonna throw my notebook out of the windows if I can't get winexcvs to work today..
[02:19] <ZzeCoOl> linux isnt windows fansy things and eye kandyu
[02:19] <ZzeCoOl> it is console ....
[02:19] <haakonn_> the point of linux is to bring software freedom to the people, nothing more
[02:19] <ZzeCoOl> ok
[02:19] <node> the point of linux is to ave fun :P
[02:19] <haakonn_> it can be anything you want to, there is no "point"
[02:19] <node> now cut it out already
[02:19] <ZzeCoOl> im stoping u just cant understand
[02:19] <funkyhat> the point of GNU/Linux and various distros like Ubuntu however.....
[02:20] <funkyhat> is a lot more than freedom for the people.
[02:20] <haakonn_> funkyhat:  is to bring software freedom to the people, and be easy to use at the same time :)
[02:20] <funkyhat> yar :)
[02:20] <funkyhat> and to look nice :P
[02:20] <haakonn_> and ubuntu is exceptionally easy imho
[02:20] <node> isn't there a #Linux or #opensource for this ?
[02:21] <funkyhat> yeah, my 9 year old brother installed ubuntu for me yesterday on my server box :P
[02:21] <haakonn_> i was able to install all kinds of software _and_ get my 8-year-old printer working without touching a console window
[02:21] <trey3> node, for this? no
[02:21] <funkyhat> i'm configing it now
[02:21] <haakonn_> funkyhat:  cool brother :)
[02:21] <funkyhat> yep :)
[02:22] <klaym> but installing ubuntu is just pressing enter
[02:22] <klaym> tbh
[02:22] <klaym> ;)
[02:22] <node> heh
[02:22] <haakonn_> klaym:  stop complaining ;)
[02:22] <arabflak> Not entirely Klaym.
[02:22] <arabflak> If you have clean system, then it's just pressing enter.
[02:22] <ZzeCoOl> my cat install ubuntu at my box.......
[02:22] <ZzeCoOl> installed
[02:22] <ZzeCoOl> *
[02:22] <haakonn_> the only thing i don't like about ubuntu is that it needs a very long time to boot
[02:23] <funkyhat> by accident yeah?
[02:23] <funkyhat> and you killed it cos it overwrote fedora?
[02:23] <haakonn_> hehe, cats sure love to step on keyboards
[02:23] <lexhider> has anyone got totem-gstreamer to play anything decent at all?
[02:23] <node> my dog does too
[02:23] <node> thinks he's a cat
[02:23] <ZzeCoOl> haakonn_ as a linux expert u are ....you can easy change this............
[02:23] <ZzeCoOl> omg
[02:24] <trey3> haakonn_, hoary boots in 40 secs according to tests (and confirmed on personal box)
[02:24] <wza> how can i change default os to boot in a dualboot menu?
[02:24] <trey3> haakonn_, from power on to ability to log into X... about 42 secs...
[02:25] <haakonn_> ZzeCoOl:  i haven't looked into it, it's my father's pc, and he lives a while away :/
[02:25] <node> sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:25] <wza> thnx
[02:25] <arabflak> You know what I like so much about Linux?
[02:25] <haakonn_> trey3:  hm, that's faster than what i've seen, but then this system is a bit old :)
[02:25] <arabflak> Or Ubuntu especially.
[02:25] <arabflak> It's been on my computer now for 3 hours and it's working perfectly.
[02:25] <node> arabflak, they have hot promo chicks ? :P
[02:25] <arabflak> That too Node :P
[02:26] <trey3> haakonn_, here a 950 Duron with 512 RAM...
[02:26] <trey3> pretty old too.
[02:26] <arabflak> I love the front of that little CD :) (yay, got it original :P oh, wait, I'm not in the microsoft world anymore)
[02:26] <da_henk> my ubuntu only starts in console, then he gives a xgraph error... and he can't get out of console.. what can i do about this???
[02:26] <arabflak> Get drivers for your videocard?
[02:26] <haakonn_> trey3:  ok. i'm talking about a celeron 433mhz, 256MB ram, 8GB disk... but i've seen faster bootups on the system :)
[02:26] <arabflak> (i'm guessing da_henk... I'm a noob at this)
[02:27] <da_henk> is that necassary for an nvidia fx5700?? :P ubuntu live is no problem.....
[02:27] <da_henk> so why is the ubuntu install?? :P
[02:27] <daniels> da_henk: nvidia didn't have drivers for the fx5700 out when we released
[02:27] <node> what is the error ur getting?
[02:27] <arabflak> Wanna hear something funny...
[02:28] <arabflak> I tried the live cd, I have a Nvidia FX5600... and I got a black screen :P
[02:28] <trey3> da_henk, for one... right now... the live cd and install cd use different mechanisms for detecting hardware...
[02:28] <da_henk> it's something with xgraphics can't work
[02:28] <da_henk> ok... so i need to get drivers for my graph card??
[02:29] <trey3> da_henk, looks like...  :)
[02:29] <trey3> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:29] <da_henk> ok :P
[02:30] <larsrohdin> node, how ca i uninstall a game installed with cedega? the uninstall thing didn't work
[02:31] <funkyhat> does VNC work in command line linux?
[02:32] <funkyhat> meh......... *is stupid*
[02:32] <node> larsrohdin, I think it takes some time before it set up a registry
[02:32] <funkyhat> what program do i need to use SSH on a windows client?
[02:32] <node> larsrohdin, after a while (or a reboot perhaps) u can uninstaller
[02:32] <trey3> funkyhat, putty
[02:32] <scizzo> trey3: might be because they are often used in different situations?
[02:32] <node> thats what I experienced anyways
[02:32] <larsrohdin> ok... so im screwed then=) i removed it manually...
[02:33] <node> why ?
[02:33] <node> just wait a bit
[02:33] <arabflak> BTW, I was wondering how I could get to my other partitions... since I can't reach my *uch* windows partition...
[02:33] <larsrohdin> ok, ill try to reeboot
[02:33] <node> funkyhat, u can got www.ssh.com
[02:33] <node> or putty indeed
[02:33] <trey3> scizzo, I suppose... just never seen a situation where I would use vnc over ssh x forwarding yet  :(
[02:34] <scizzo> trey3: they are used differently...
[02:35] <scizzo> trey3: VNC is nice when it comes to connect to a remote machine that has for example GNOME running or something
[02:35] <funkyhat> once i've installed ubuntu again
[02:35] <scizzo> funkyhat: install it again?P
[02:35] <scizzo> just install SSH
[02:36] <funkyhat> i'm installing it in custom mode so it doesn't install all the crap i'm not gonna need
[02:36] <arabflak> So, how do I reach my other HDD's?
[02:36] <scizzo> funkyhat: apt-get install openssh-server
[02:37] <scizzo> or if apt-get install ssh works
[02:37] <funkyhat> meh.... i suppose now it's installed i may as well just remove unwanted packages
[02:37] <trey3> funkyhat, apt-get install debfoster to make that easier  :)
[02:37] <funkyhat> oki
[02:38] <Lowry> night
[02:39] <scizzo> deborphan is nice too
[02:40] <zAo^> arabflak, cat /proc/partitions
[02:40] <arabflak> And then? :P
[02:40] <arabflak> I want to automount the hdd's on boot :P
[02:41] <zAo^> arabflak, sudo vi /etc/fstab
[02:41] <mickatron> Does anyone know which package to go for if I want to install Opera into my Ubuntu?
[02:41] <arabflak> Friggin hell, Vi.
[02:42] <zAo^> arabflak, wtf? use joe instead
[02:42] <Gagatan> mickatron: Opera is not shipped with any debian I think.. download a deb from opera software perhaps?
[02:42] <mickatron> When I execute it, it gives me an error message.
[02:43] <mickatron> Something about not being to read the format.
[02:43] <mickatron> rpm definitely doesn't wor.
[02:43] <mickatron> *work
[02:43] <scizzo> mickatron: get the .deb
[02:43] <arabflak> zAo^, I'm getting Vi, never mind :P
[02:43] <arabflak> Just not entirely sure what to enter here :P
[02:44] <mickatron> I tried getting the deb... it gave me an error message.
[02:44] <scizzo> mickatron: when doing what?
[02:44] <mickatron> Couldn't display "/home/fookongmick/My Downloa...5-shared-qt_en_sarge_i386.deb".
[02:44] <zAo^> arabflak, http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[02:44] <mickatron> I get this error message.
[02:44] <node> try 'sudo alien -i opera.rpm'
[02:44] <trey3> mickatron, http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=Opera&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all
[02:45] <scizzo> mickatron: ooo...change the download dir
[02:45] <scizzo> mickatron: might help
[02:45] <mickatron> Supposing I go for the tar.gz
[02:46] <mickatron> How do I install it?
[02:46] <larsrohdin> node, can i use cedega to install mods and patches to games?
[02:46] <funkyhat> make
[02:46] <trey3> mickatron, ahh... 'My\ Downloads' is how you'd enter that for bash...
[02:46] <node> larsrohdin, no idea :)
[02:46] <arabflak> zAo^, I'm not getting this I think :P
[02:47] <trey3> mickatron, bash doesn't like spaces too much...
[02:47] <arabflak> Sorry, I'll try some other time, right now I have to check my windows partition :P
[02:47] <zAo^> arabflak, why? what do you want to mount where?
[02:47] <mickatron> So I can try changing it to Mydownloads?
[02:47] <arabflak> Everything, somewhere?
[02:47] <node> larsrohdin, did the uninstaller work now ?
[02:48] <zAo^> arabflak, can I login from here with a testuser
[02:48] <zAo^> ?
[02:48] <larsrohdin> haven't tried yet...
[02:48] <mickatron> I changed it to Downloads instead of My Downlaods.
[02:48] <node> mickatron, 'sudo mv My\ Download Downloads' ?
[02:48] <trey3> mickatron, that would be kinda... like I said though... will work if you type 'My\ Downloads'
[02:48] <mickatron> Don't get what you mean node
[02:49] <node> mickatron, nm, I see u already changed it ;)
[02:49] <mickatron> Now I have changed it to Downloads only.
[02:49] <mickatron> So how do I go about it now?
[02:49] <cetanhota> I want to grab the ndiswrapper package. its at universe correct?
[02:49] <node> are u working in the command line ?
[02:49] <larsrohdin> node, does cedega work well when playing on LAN with microsoft systems?
[02:49] <mickatron> Yea
[02:49] <mickatron> I am in the shell now.
[02:50] <zAo^> larsrohdin, which game?
[02:50] <node> larsrohdin, dunno, I dont use cedega :P
[02:50] <trey3> cetanhota, yes... 'ndiswrapper-source'
[02:50] <cetanhota> trey3, thanks
[02:50] <larsrohdin> battlefield 1942 for example
[02:50] <zAo^> larsrohdin, 99% sure
[02:50] <arabflak> Hey, thanks for all the help guys, I'm prolly gonna come round more often :)
[02:51] <arabflak> See ya :)
[02:51] <arabflak> -off-
[02:51] <node> mickatron, 'tar -zxvf opera.tar.gz && cd opera_dir && configure && make && make install'
[02:51] <node> should do the trick
[02:51] <mickatron> I downloaded the *deb installer.
[02:51] <zAo^> :-)
[02:51] <node> lol
[02:51] <mickatron> Does it work on ubuntu?
[02:51] <larsrohdin> to play a game installed with cedega... is it just $ cedega /home/larsrohdin/games/the-game.exe?
[02:51] <node> 'sudo dpkg -i opera.deb'
[02:52] <zAo^> yes larsrohdin
[02:53] <larsrohdin> ok thanks
[02:53] <node> i need a creditcard so i can download cedega :P
[02:53] <node> damn
[02:53] <zAo^> node, ....... ;-)
[02:53] <mickatron> Is that the usual command line for any *deb installation?
[02:54] <larsrohdin> no, that didnt work...
[02:54] <node> larsrohdin, do u have Point2Play installed ?
[02:54] <larsrohdin> no
[02:55] <node> did u get cedega from transgaming ?
[02:55] <zAo^> larsrohdin, what error message
[02:55] <larsrohdin> none it just stops running... like: larsrohdin@USAMA:~ $ cedega /home/larsrohdin/Desktop/home/Games/battlefield1942/ BF1942.exe
[02:55] <larsrohdin> larsrohdin@USAMA:~ $
[02:56] <node> U should get Point2Play larsrohdin
[02:56] <node> its a GUI for cedega
[02:56] <larsrohdin> node, from apt-get?
[02:56] <node> no, from www.transgaming.com
[02:56] <node> where u got cedega
[02:57] <no0tic> what's the name of xorg drivers for radeon cards?
[02:57] <larsrohdin> ok...=) yeah, where i got cedega...=)
[02:57] <daniels> no0tic: 'radeon'
[02:57] <daniels> or just 'ati'
[02:57] <larsrohdin> ok, ill give it a try
[02:57] <no0tic> daniels: it's the same?
[02:57] <daniels> no0	yes
[02:58] <SirPsy> hows the out of the box radeon graphics support in ubuntu
[02:58] <no0tic> ok thanks
[02:58] <daniels> SirPsy: 3d for everything up to and including 9250 (r1xx/r2xx); 2d for everything on the market
[02:58] <no0tic> bye, testing suspend :)
[02:58] <SirPsy> nice
[02:59] <SirPsy> and another question, this is probably gonna be the biggest issue, hows the onboard lan supportr
[02:59] <SirPsy> cuz i can remember having hell with other linux distro's
[03:00] <daniels> SirPsy: uh, what sort of motherboard?
[03:00] <daniels> SirPsy: should be fine
[03:00] <SirPsy> p4p800-vm intel pro chipset on the nic
[03:00] <kquamme94> good morning everyone
[03:00] <node> hi
[03:00] <funkyhat> morning
[03:00] <SirPsy> it used to give me shit on most linux distro's
[03:00] <SirPsy> :/
[03:01] <knghtbrd> daniels: no 3D for current ATI crapsets?  Er, I mean chipsets?
[03:01] <kquamme94> great crisp day here in the tudra, what about you guys?
[03:01] <knghtbrd> (you can't tell I'm a NV user?  hehe)
[03:01] <daniels> knghtbrd: /topic
[03:01] <daniels> knghtbrd: (and no, it's all in fglrx, and binary-only drivers are a horror show, so we just install the normal drivers by default.  the open-source ati driver does a far better job of detecting connected displays, anyway.)
[03:02] <Alcee> hi everybody
[03:02] <mjg59> Hurray for open source!
[03:02] <funkyhat> lol
[03:02] <knghtbrd> daniels: *nod*
[03:02] <mjg59> (ATI and Nvidia both get the COCKS prize for not implementing power management properly)
[03:02] <haakonn_> unfree drivers is a horrible thing
[03:02] <daniels> mjg59: dubious prize
[03:03] <knghtbrd> daniels: okay, I was thinking that fglrx didn't even uspport them..
[03:03] <funkyhat> mjg59, i have no probs with power management with my Nvidia....
[03:03] <knghtbrd> mjg59: power management?  hahaha  Don't all of these modern cards require like extra major power off the drive connectors anymore?  It's pretty scary, actually.
[03:04] <mjg59> knghtbrd: The ones on laptops don't tend to
[03:04] <knghtbrd> one would hope not.
[03:04] <mjg59> funkyhat: It /might/ work with APM (though it'll break when the legacy power management support goes away in the near future). If it works with ACPI, it's entirely by chance.
[03:05] <funkyhat> hehe, i must have got lucky then
[03:09] <no0tic> I changed to "ati" but direct rendering doesn't work. Xorg.0.log didn't show errors though
[03:10] <Guardiann> anyone know much about setting up xine to recognize my dvd player at start up
[03:10] <no0tic> daniels: I changed to "ati" but direct rendering doesn't work. Xorg.0.log didn't show errors though
[03:11] <daniels> no0tic: what sort of card do you have?
[03:11] <no0tic> daniels: RV250 (radeon 9200 M9+)
[03:11] <Guardiann> i can get it to work by typing this ln -s hdc /dev/dvd
[03:11] <daniels> no0tic: odd.
[03:12] <klaym> does there come a bluetooth application by default with ubuntu?
[03:12] <no0tic> daniels: I rebooted, not only restarted Xorg
[03:13] <no0tic> daniels: dpkg reconfigure shall do something?
[03:13] <topyli> klaym: like what? you can do many things over bluetooth (or so they say)
[03:13] <klaym> to upload and download stuff from my Nokia
[03:13] <klaym> it's a USB dongle thing
[03:14] <funkyhat> there are several bluetooth apps available in the synaptic package thingy....
[03:14] <klaym> okay
[03:14] <topyli> klaym: which nokia? mine sure won't work
[03:14] <klaym> 6600
[03:15] <daniels> hm, looks like mplayer is screwed.
[03:15] <funkyhat> nokias need a special prog from the nokia website, or CD.....
[03:15] <daniels> no0tic: XORG_FORCE_PROBE=yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[03:15] <jono> hi all
[03:15] <funkyhat> don't they?
[03:15] <funkyhat> hi
[03:15] <klaym> might be. haven't even tested yet :P
[03:15] <Guardiann> hi jono
[03:16] <eder2> hi, what can i unistall j2re from computer and install other old version???
[03:16] <klaym> it sucks that they don't work just as any flash memories
[03:16] <topyli> klaym: does gnokii support it? or gammu perhaps? worry about the bloody phone, bluetooth is probably the easy part
[03:16] <jono> hi Guardiann
[03:16] <no0tic> daniels: then I restart Xorg?
[03:16] <klaym> ok I'll go surf the net
[03:16] <topyli> klaym: as you see, i don't have much faith left in nokia :)
[03:17] <klaym> :/
[03:17] <topyli> klaym: if yours supports bluetooth, you may have less (or at least different) trouble than me
[03:17] <eder2> what is the command for unistall a packet??
[03:17] <eder2> .deb==?
[03:18] <moquist> eder2: apt-get remove
[03:18] <eder2> ok
[03:18] <moquist> eder2: 'man apt-get'... ;)
[03:18] <klaym> topyli: you had trouble with a symbian phone?
[03:18] <daniels> no0tic: yeah
[03:18] <daniels> jono: hey dude
[03:18] <topyli> klaym: yes, the commie
[03:18] <no0tic> daniels: nothing to do
[03:19] <moquist> speaking of learning new commands, I just discovered 'alien' - which *rules*!
[03:19] <no0tic> daniels: restarted Xorg but direct rendering is off
[03:19] <Guardiann> daniels is there a way of having this command start on reboot ln -s hdc /dev/dvd
[03:19] <klaym> at least the communicator should have a fluent connection to a PC. Damn Nokia!
[03:19] <daniels> no0tic: odd
[03:19] <daniels> no0tic: if you put your log somewhere I'll have a look at it
[03:20] <daniels> Guardiann: you want it in udev somewhere
[03:20] <jono> hi daniels
[03:20] <topyli> klaym: it does work perfectly with a pc. but nokia's definition of a pc is different from ours :)
[03:20] <no0tic> daniels: Xorg.0.log?
[03:20] <Guardiann> ok thanks
[03:21] <daniels> no0tic: yeah
[03:21] <klaym> topyli: so you can't get it to work on Linux?
[03:21] <cyme> how do i install wine
[03:21] <topyli> klaym: actually, they do always talk about "compatible" pc's
[03:22] <cyme> can anybody help me to install wine
[03:22] <bloomberg> no sound on ubuntu, any help?
[03:22] <topyli> klaym: i'm having trouble with connecting. p3nfs over the cable is unstable, and i can't get the darn infrared dongle to work
[03:23] <mjg59> Oh. Oops.
[03:23] <topyli> klaym: i haven't even started to worry about the userland stuff like applications
[03:23] <funkyhat> anyone know if wine is available through apt-get?
[03:23] <mjg59> Turns out it's illegal to provide nvidia drivers that work with 2.6.9
[03:23] <mjg59> (or 2.6.10)
[03:23] <funkyhat> O_O why?
[03:23] <no0tic> daniels: http://rafb.net/paste/results/w7uG6w71.html
[03:23] <klaym> okay. so it might be just a faulty IR dongle ;)
[03:23] <mjg59> It needs modification to work with them, and there's no permission to modify them
[03:24] <funkyhat> how gay....
[03:25] <topyli> klaym: no, i have a windows 98 box here for comparison. everything works beautifully there
[03:25] <Guardiann> bloomberg are you using warty/hoary
[03:25] <bloomberg> sorry don't know what they are; i'm new to UNIX
[03:25] <topyli> klaym: i might end up using the nokia pc suite on windows over VNC :)
[03:25] <Guardiann> are you using ubuntu
[03:26] <bloomberg> yep
[03:26] <kakashi> i have a problem anyone here to help??? pls
[03:27] <daniels> no0tic: oh, right.  apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx.
[03:27] <Guardiann> it may depend then on the version your using then bloomberg
[03:27] <funkyhat> what is the problem?
[03:27] <topyli> klaym: anyway, i'm building another kernel to see if i can improve the irda stuff. you'll have an easier time (and more help) with bluetooth, it's more common these days
[03:27] <node> I need some help with Cedega, while compiling I get the following error' http://www.bobjonesonline.com/tmp/Errorlog.txt '
[03:27] <bloomberg> how can i find out which build i have
[03:27] <kakashi> the problem is that i need to get to my partitions on windows from linux but i do not know how
[03:27] <kakashi> ???
[03:28] <kakashi> any idea???
[03:28] <kakashi> someone???!!!
[03:28] <Simira> kakashi: you can mount it as any other device
[03:28] <kakashi> OK
[03:29] <scylax> funkyhat: mount ;)
[03:29] <kakashi> where to mount it???
[03:29] <cetanhota> to turn off acpi at boot is it acpi=off or acpi=false?
[03:29] <funkyhat> oh
[03:29] <kakashi> in wich foulder???
[03:29] <topyli> paff. that's the end of _that_ compile :)
[03:29] <mjg59> cetanhota: acpi=off
[03:29] <Guardiann> bloomberg it will tell you your version and start up/reboot
[03:29] <Falstius> funkyhat, depends on the flavor of linux.  Ubuntu does
[03:29] <mjg59> funkyhat: It does, but it's read-only
[03:29] <cetanhota> mjg59, thanks. I get confused now and then. more now than then
[03:30] <kakashi> Simira: in wich foulder can i mount the device
[03:30] <bloomberg> so u need 2 know what version im using before u can tell me why there is no sound on here
[03:30] <stvn> is there any other way to access samba shares with ubuntu-hoary - other than 'connect to remote server'?
[03:31] <Guardiann> yep mine worked in warty but not hoary
[03:31] <stvn> kakashi: /mnt is a good folder to start
[03:31] <topyli> ahh... the debian kernel patch package seems to be missing something
[03:31] <no0tic> daniels: done, I will test it
[03:31] <kakashi> stvn: nothing in there?????!!!!!
[03:31] <Simira> kakashi: you'll have to make a mount point
[03:31] <no0tic> daniels: from where did you noticed they where installed?
[03:31] <Falstius> mkdir /mnt/removable
[03:31] <Simira> mkdir /mnt/winpart, for example
[03:31] <daniels> no0tic: a good guess
[03:32] <kakashi> Simira: you have to know i am a beginner
[03:32] <stvn> kakashi: that's generally the idea for mountpoints ;), you need to 'mount' your windows partition to that directory
[03:32] <kakashi> Simira: how to make a mountpoint???
[03:32] <Falstius> kakashi: mkdir /mnt/removable is a useful one.
[03:32] <stvn> kakashi: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=mount%20windows
[03:32] <node> I need some help with Cedega, while compiling I get the following error' http://www.bobjonesonline.com/tmp/Errorlog.txt '
[03:33] <no0tic> daniels: they in some way affected something? also using another driver?
[03:34] <daniels> no0tic: they have their own copy of the client-side GL library, as does nvidia-glx
[03:34] <daniels> no0tic: so that can mess stuff up
[03:34] <stvn> is there a way to get around to no-user-smbmount policy of hoary?
[03:35] <no0tic> daniels: thanks for the explanation
[03:35] <kakashi> thanks
[03:36] <nyxx> guys, my main computer died so I'm running ubuntu livecd on a secondary computer with no internal hdd.. I do have a external usb drive (plugged into usb1.1 unfortunately) is there a way to have it save my changes on it (I don't care if I have to continue using the livecd)
[03:37] <bloomberg> aparently im warty
[03:37] <sladen> nyxx: 'File -> Save As'
[03:37] <sladen> nyxx: there are other ways, but that's probably the simplist
[03:37] <nyxx> well, I meant stuff like changes I made to x-chat and potentially extra software packages (I'm probably stretching it with that hope though)
[03:38] <Guardiann> you have no sound at all bloomberg
[03:38] <bloomberg> yes thats correct
[03:38] <sladen> nyxx: there's an option somewhere to save your home directory to USB media (it's designed for USB sticks, but a HDD is the same, just larger)
[03:38] <Falstius> nyxx, you could make a custom liveCD with your usb device as home.
[03:39] <Guardiann> not sure then
[03:39] <sladen> Falstius: probably not practical given the broken HHD
[03:39] <bloomberg> I get "Sorry no mixer elements and.or devices found" when i try to open vol.control
[03:39] <nyxx> sladen, do you remember how I can do that?
[03:39] <Guardiann> i had that problem but it was in hoary
[03:40] <topyli> Falstius:  that would be cool. doesn't the mandrake live cd do that?
[03:40] <bloomberg> how did u fix it?
[03:40] <nyxx> Falstius, my main pc is completely down due to mobo death.. I can't make any new cds right now :(
[03:40] <Guardiann> didnt have the issue on warty
[03:41] <Guardiann> but on hoary i had to disable in my setup the on board modem
[03:41] <sladen> nyxx: I don't, but Google can probably help  'Mop
[03:41] <sladen> nyxx: I don't, but Google can probably help  'Ubuntu LiveCD USB home'
[03:42] <nyxx> thanks sladen
[03:42] <bloomberg> so no help?
[03:42] <Guardiann> i just told you whaty i had to change to fix it
[03:43] <topyli> Guardiann: onboard stuff often gets in the way
[03:43] <Guardiann> yep i found that out :)
[03:43] <topyli> when i built this box, i disabled everything first thing :)
[03:44] <Guardiann> warty worked well but the onboard modem had a problem with hoary
[03:44] <Cygnusx> hi crimsun, im back
[03:45] <topyli> i think i'll upgrade. i'm tired of trying to get this hardware to work. and the day is already ruined
[03:45] <no0tic> daniels: now, radeon driver works
[03:45] <no0tic> daniels: thanks
[03:45] <Guardiann> now i am just trying to set xine so it will work :)
[03:45] <topyli> i need software problems for a change. not cables and dongles and whatnot :)
[03:46] <Guardiann> :)
[03:46] <funkyhat> ok run me by setting up SSH again
[03:46] <funkyhat> :D please
[03:46] <topyli> in fact i think i'll install windows 2000. that'll keep me busy with software problems for a while
[03:47] <Guardiann> maybe you know how i can set this xine works well when I type this   ln -s hdc /dev/dvd  But I want to set it so that starts at boot
[03:48] <Cygnusx> Help me, how can i disable/prevent Gnome to start up
[03:48] <Cygnusx> in Ubuntu Warty
[03:49] <topyli> Guardiann: you might try to convice xine to use /dev/hcd in the first place, and not make any links
[03:49] <node> rm -r /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm
[03:49] <topyli> or /dev/hdc even
[03:49] <sladen> Cygnusx: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S*gdm
[03:50] <Guardiann> yeah tried
[03:50] <node> errr - -r :P
[03:50] <petemc> is it possible to access osx partitions on a powerbook using the live cd?
[03:50] <Cygnusx> sladen , i need to let XPDE run on boot, in stead of Gnome
[03:52] <topyli> Guardiann: it won't listen to reason?
[03:52] <Guardiann> not at all :)
[03:53] <Guardiann> but at least I can get it to work now
[03:53] <no0tic> suspend doesn't work here
[03:53] <topyli> Guardiann: i don't know how to handle udev. i wanted to make it create /dev/ircomm0 at boot but no
[03:53] <funkyhat> how do i configure ssh-server, or what login paramaters do i use?
[03:54] <Guardiann> ok thanks I will keep messing with it ;)
[03:54] <topyli> i think i'll reboot just for sports and see if irda will magically work
[03:55] <scylax> how can i execute two commands "in parallel" ? (a bit like msdos batch "call whatever.bat")??
[03:56] <mjr> scylax, do_this_in_background &
[03:56] <mjr> though I don't know what you mean by the call thing, since ms-dos doesn't support multitaskin
[03:56] <mjr> g
[03:57] <scylax> yes,confused
[03:57] <scylax> i'll try &
[03:57] <Guardiann> brb
[03:58] <Cygnusx> how do i shutdown the pc in text mode
[03:58] <mjr> sudo halt
[03:58] <Cygnusx> ok
[03:59] <funkyhat> how do i configure ssh?
[04:01] <topyli> funkyhat: the daemon?
[04:01] <mjr> man ssh_config, man sshd_config helps
[04:01] <funkyhat> the server
[04:01] <larsrohdin> node, how do i start point2play when its installed?
[04:02] <node> type Point2Play
[04:02] <topyli> funkyhat: dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server
[04:02] <funkyhat> ok
[04:02] <larsrohdin> ohhh=)
[04:04] <kakashi> hlp again pls someone .... problem with music a films
[04:04] <kakashi> totem player is not playing any .avi files and music player does not play any .mp3 files
[04:05] <kakashi> what shall i do???
[04:05] <kakashi> help pls
[04:05] <wezzer-> kakashi: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:05] <wezzer-> type that to console
[04:05] <kakashi> ok
[04:05] <wezzer-> that will correct that mp3-support
[04:05] <node> I need some help with Cedega, while compiling I get the following error' http://www.bobjonesonline.com/tmp/Errorlog.txt '
[04:05] <wezzer-> i use mplayer so I don't know how to get totem to play avi's
[04:05] <bassinboy> how can i edit gnome menus?
[04:06] <wezzer-> bassinboy: nautilus:///applications
[04:06] <bassinboy> thanks
[04:07] <wezzer-> oh sorry
[04:07] <wezzer-> it was backwards
[04:07] <stvn> kakashi: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/view?searchterm=mp3
[04:07] <wezzer-> applications:///
[04:07] <bassinboy> heh, thanks
[04:08] <funkyhat> how do i find out my IP address from CLI?
[04:08] <paulproteus> funkyhat: ifconfig
[04:08] <funkyhat> thanks :)
[04:08] <paulproteus> alternately, ifconfig interface_name
[04:09] <paulproteus> e.g. "ifconfig eth0" or "ifconfig wlan0"
[04:11] <icerogue> hey i am getting a domain name shortly, so how do i set up my mail/http server to be apart of that?
[04:11] <funkyhat> depends on what DNS service you get from your registrar
[04:12] <funkyhat> if you get DNS from www.zoneedit.com or something (i use zoneedit) you can configure everything about your domain, IP addresses, mail servers, web forwards etc.
[04:12] <icerogue> i have to change somestuff on my local machine though dont i?
[04:12] <funkyhat> but generally your registrar's DNS will be pretty limiting
[04:14] <larsrohdin> does anyone know what this error in cedega means?
[04:14] <larsrohdin> larsrohdin@USAMA:~ $ cedega /home/larsrohdin/Desktop/home/Games/battlefield1942/BF1942.exe
[04:14] <larsrohdin> tid 4682 received signal 2. Raising signal 3
[04:14] <larsrohdin> tid 4682 received signal 11. Raising signal 3
[04:14] <larsrohdin> tid 4688 received signal 2. Raising signal 3
[04:14] <larsrohdin> tid 4688 received signal 11. Raising signal 3
[04:14] <larsrohdin> /usr/bin/cedega: line 334:  4682 Segmenteringsfel        $SHELL -c "$RUNWINE $WINVER -debugmsg $DEBUGMSG -use-dos-cwd $WORKDIR $EJECT $DT -- $COMMAND_LINE"
[04:14] <gt500> hell0w peepz :)
[04:15] <zido_> is there a DC program for Linux?
[04:15] <funkyhat> icerogue: you probably need to set up your mail server to accept mail for the domain
[04:15] <gt500> is there someone who can help me ? I wanna become a maintainer , i read the info & stuff , but where is the page to really become one ... ?
[04:15] <icerogue> i beleive i set courier up to know that it is part of the domain
[04:15] <icerogue> not sure though
[04:16] <HostingGeek> does logrotate support the usage of wildcard in its config?
[04:17] <funkyhat> icerogue: if you need help setting up your DNS you might find this article useful (although it's semi-specific to 34sp.com)
[04:17] <funkyhat> http://support.34sp.com/tutorials/zoneedit/zoneedit.html
[04:17] <icerogue> i thought i needed to change localhost
[04:19] <gt500> :(
[04:22] <henkie> hello all
[04:22] <funkyhat> hi
[04:22] <henkie> i've got a question... where can i get drivers to see my ntfs hard discs??
[04:22] <cetanhota> how can I stop the synaptics reset failed error I get when my laptop boots?
[04:22] <dud> g'morning folks! :O
[04:22] <funkyhat> morning dud
[04:22] <dud> how are we...?
[04:23] <henkie> is it possible to read my ntfs hard discs in ubuntu?? and how if it is?? :P
[04:23] <Guardiann> hello henkie, dud
[04:24] <henkie> hello guardiann
[04:24] <gt500> henkie , look @ synaptics :/
[04:24] <henkie> ok....
[04:24] <gt500> brb , installing ubuntu ^_^
[04:24] <gt500> again :p
[04:25] <gt500> i allready have it on several pc's :D
[04:25] <MartijnZ> LoL, nice
[04:25] <gt500> ^_^
[04:25] <gt500> now , i'm participating to become a maintainer :)
[04:25] <gt500> gstreamer 8)
[04:26] <larsrohdin> is there anyway to use cedega without subscribing to transgaming?
[04:26] <no0tic> how can I edit ubuntu wiki, once logged in?
[04:27] <gt500> no0tic , look @ the top ...
[04:27] <no0tic> ;)
[04:28] <topyli> looking at this hoary upgrade list of packages, it looks like xserver-xfree86 won't be removed?
[04:28] <gt500> topyli n why should it be removed ?
[04:28] <gt500> n = ,
[04:29] <topyli> gt500: i thought it would be replaced by another package, numbered 6.8.x
[04:30] <daniels> topyli: if you have ubuntu-desktop installed, xserver-xorg will be automatically installed
[04:30] <topyli> ahh... but i don't. i'll select it
[04:31] <topyli> no! this will remove lyx, pybliographer: my tools!
[04:31] <gt500> update it onyou're own ..
[04:31] <gt500> brb
[04:31] <topyli> let's see what updating x-window-system-core does
[04:32] <topyli> yes. xserver-xorg will be installed
[04:32] <lightcap> anyone have a backup solution of choice?  I'm evaluating those that I can find...so far backupPC, AMANDA and bacula
[04:33] <topyli> looks good. only python seems to be in a sort of transition
[04:35] <HostingGeek> that bot has been hitting even channel
[04:35] <j^> does someone else have problems with python xml.dom.minidom.parse not working in hoary?
[04:35] <fox-paul> does anybody know why when i install the fglrx drivers, i dont get the fglrx kernel module for my running kernel? (on hoary)
[04:36] <HostingGeek> channel ops limit the ammount of user that can enter per 20 when don't want a bot attack
[04:36] <Guardiann> ??? what bot ??
[04:38] <HostingGeek> Guardiann: no0tic
[04:38] <HostingGeek> seem like take care of
[04:39] <snowblink> hi - have just installed Warty. I suppose this is a GNOME question: How can I make a window fill vertically or horizontally (a la KDE)?
[04:39] <Guardiann> no0tic> how can I edit ubuntu wiki, once logged in? isnt a bot
[04:39] <zAo^^> lo all. Is the 'gnome-desktop-eviroment' needed?
[04:40] <gt500> yes
[04:40] <zAo^^> yes to? :)
[04:41] <daniels> HostingGeek: dude, no0tic is not a bot.  i know this because i was talking to him just before.
[04:41] <daniels> HostingGeek: we can run the channel; if i can see one comment from one person, i can pretty clearly see a bot attack, ok?
[04:41] <Guardiann> :)
[04:42] <nyxx> there isn't a cd burning program in the livecd is there?
[04:42] <gt500> nyxx :/ there is ...
[04:42] <HostingGeek> daniels: well say that in every channel i am in besides one
[04:43] <fox-paul> does anybody know why when i install the fglrx drivers, i dont get the fglrx kernel module for my running kernel? (on hoary)
[04:43] <nyxx> gt500, commandline only? I didn't see it in the menus so I didn't know there was one :(
[04:43] <daniels> HostingGeek: i'm sure that most channel ops have a good idea of how to run their channel
[04:44] <daniels> fox-paul: you need linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[04:44] <HostingGeek> daniels: i was saying to limit the number of x people per y second
[04:44] <fox-paul> daniels,  i installed that then reinstalled the fglrx stuff, but still no luck.(though i can't install the dummy packages for some reason)
[04:45] <gt500> nyxx , look @ cd burner ;)
[04:45] <gt500> brb
[04:46] <zAo^^> how is the Gnome development enviroment called?
[04:46] <AndyFitz> gnu network object model environment
[04:46] <AndyFitz> anjuta ?
[04:47] <daniels> HostingGeek: i know.
[04:47] <HostingGeek> daniels: so why not just in case of a bot attack
[04:47] <daniels> fox-paul: you don't want to even try to install fglrx-driver; just install xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:47] <daniels> fox-paul: are you sure the radeon model still isn't inserted?
[04:48] <daniels> HostingGeek: because it involves running a bot, which is pointless.  bot attacks tend to be network-wide, in which case the network ops find out and act very quickly, and g-line (or kick from outside the channel) the bots in question.
[04:48] <daniels> HostingGeek: (i used to be an opn oper)
[04:48] <HostingGeek> daniels: no its a cahnnel mode
[04:49] <fox-paul> daniels, i've removed the fglrx-drivers(synaptic said it was broken) and now i've just got fglrx-kernel-source, xorg-driver-fglrx and xorg-driver-fglrx-dev
[04:49] <HostingGeek> daniels: read the dancer docs
[04:49] <HostingGeek> daniels: ask in #freenode
[04:49] <dsl638> what sound system does ubuntu use?
[04:49] <paulproteus> dsl638: esd (enlightenment sound daemon)
[04:49] <paulproteus> dsl638: This is slated to be replaced by polypaudio in Hoary.
[04:49] <daniels> fox-paul: have you got linux-restricted-modules for your kernel installed?
[04:50] <fox-paul> daniels, yeah. doing "sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)" give me: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-2-686-smp is already the newest version.
[04:50] <daniels> fox-paul: weird.  have you got the fglrx module inserted?
[04:50] <daniels> HostingGeek: interesting, but still don't see the point
[04:50] <fox-paul> daniels, doing sudo modprobe fglrx gives:FATAL: Module fglrx not found.
[04:51] <daniels> fox-paul: oh, unconfigured, I think
[04:51] <daniels> fox-paul: run sudo dpkg --configure -a?
[04:51] <HostingGeek> DagaZ: look every other channels do it
[04:51] <HostingGeek> * daniels
[04:51] <fox-paul> daniels, i'll give it a go...
[04:51] <daniels> HostingGeek: this one doesn't
[04:51] <Guardiann> HostingGeek relax
[04:51] <HostingGeek> daniels: satffer are not here 24x7
[04:52] <fox-paul> daniels, no output from that command.
[04:52] <HostingGeek> Guardiann: can't my back is acking
[04:52] <Guardiann> maybe that would help it
[04:52] <daniels> fox-paul: weird
[04:52] <node> HostingGeek, give it a rest, obviously daniels doesn't wanna.
[04:52] <paulproteus> dsl638: What sound card do you hav?
[04:52] <Guardiann> this channel seems to work fine
[04:52] <paulproteus> have, rather.
[04:53] <fox-paul> daniels, yeah, i've been kicking myself since last night. i cant figure it out
[04:53] <dsl638> i have an intel 8x
[04:53] <daniels> fox-paul: is running sudo depmod -ae of any use?
[04:53] <daniels> fox-paul: or possibly sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[04:53] <dsl638> mandrake 10.1 uses i810_audio as the module
[04:53] <dsl638> and the sound works with no problem
[04:53] <fox-paul> daniels, no output from the depmod command, i'll try reinstalling the restricted mods
[04:54] <HostingGeek> daniels: fact is staffer are not here 24x7 bot attack any channel they can this one is open for them
[04:54] <paulproteus> dsl638: What have you tried to make sound work?
[04:54] <node> sigh
[04:54] <daniels> fox-paul: depmod shouldn't give you any output -- possibly try sudo modprobe fglrx now
[04:54] <dsl638> i came across the unofficial ubuntu guide and ran that command
[04:54] <Guardiann> dsl638 having sound problems?
[04:54] <fox-paul> daniels, yes!
[04:54] <dsl638> then I tried to do 'modprobe i810_audio'
[04:54] <lizardking> hola
[04:55] <fox-paul> daniels, the module is loaded now. phew
[04:55] <lizardking> I have a problem with NAUTILUS
[04:55] <kebac_> i am having grub problems... grub says, loading stage 1.5 and then error 18
[04:55] <lizardking> someone for me?
[04:55] <topyli> lizardking: impossible. nautilus is perfect
[04:55] <funkyhat> what do i need to do to apt-get apache (latest version)?
[04:56] <paulproteus> dsl638: First thing, do
[04:56] <paulproteus> $ sudo rmmod i810_audio
[04:56] <funkyhat> will apt-get install apache work?
[04:56] <topyli> funkyhat: look for apache2 packages
[04:56] <funkyhat> how do i search for packages in apt-get?
[04:56] <funkyhat> i can't find it in help :(
[04:56] <paulproteus> funkyhat: apt-cache search
[04:56] <funkyhat> ok
[04:56] <paulproteus> or search using Synaptic, which is much easier.
[04:57] <henkie> how can i install a deb file that's locked for users??
[04:57] <funkyhat> except i don't have gnome
[04:57] <fox-paul> daniels, thanks for the help. gonna try it out now :)
[04:57] <funkyhat> henkie, install it using sudo before the command
[04:57] <dsl638> k
[04:57] <lizardking> i have upgrated nautilus and now i cannot see my launcher
[04:57] <henkie> yes.. but then it says it's locked by another process
[04:57] <paulproteus> dsl638: Now try:
[04:58] <paulproteus> $ sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0
[04:58] <daniels> foxcool
[04:58] <dsl638> I've seen that one before
[04:58] <topyli> lizardking: which launcher is that?
[04:58] <lizardking> I have reinstalled Nautilus and now my launcher in "Applications" are not there.
[04:58] <lizardking> if I make nautilus applications:/// I saw my launcher but the system doesn't want to display in the bar.How can I do?
[04:58] <paulproteus> dsl638: That's the ALSA driver.  The one you had before was the OSS driver.
[04:58] <lizardking> simple launcher icons
[04:58] <Guardiann> dsl638 what kind of sound problems are you having
[04:58] <lizardking> the default launcher icons are there. mine not :(
[04:59] <dsl638> it says no mixer, element found
[04:59] <paulproteus> lizardking: The bar along with "Applications", "Computer", firefox icon, Evolution icon, etc?
[04:59] <paulproteus> dsl638: *What* says that?
[04:59] <capra> Hi
[04:59] <lizardking> yes
[04:59] <lizardking> that bar
[04:59] <Guardiann> you running hoary
[04:59] <topyli> lizardking: oh, dunno. perhaps they got lost in the upgrade. can you still see them in nautilus?
[04:59] <dsl638> the volumen mixer up at the right side of Gnome desktop
[04:59] <paulproteus> dsl638: Okay.  Now do:
[04:59] <lizardking> in Applications i cannot find my launcher even thery are in nautilus applications///
[04:59] <Guardiann> dsl638 are you running hoary
[04:59] <dsl638> warty
[05:00] <paulproteus> $ sudo modprobe snd-mixer-oss
[05:00] <topyli> lizardking: try and restart the panel: 'killall gnome-panel'
[05:00] <capra> anyone succeded in removing ipv6 module?
[05:00] <lizardking> yes they are always in nautilus applications///
[05:00] <lizardking> mhh ok
[05:00] <paulproteus> lizardking: Try my advice first, please.
[05:00] <lizardking> nothing
[05:00] <lizardking> not works
[05:00] <dsl638> ok
[05:01] <topyli> lizardking: hmm. is this on warty
[05:01] <paulproteus> Any change in the mixer applet, dsl638?
[05:01] <funkyhat> meh.... help with which package to install :S
[05:01] <lizardking> The strange thing is that they are in nautilus applications:/// bye terminal
[05:01] <lizardking> yes
[05:01] <dsl638> paulproteus need to run this on my box @ home
[05:01] <lizardking> warty
[05:02] <funkyhat> i need apache with php, which packages do i need to install?
[05:02] <dsl638> i'm at work, but I'll check it later on, thanks for your help
[05:02] <luislx> funkyhat i can help
[05:02] <paulproteus> dsl638: Okay.  Best of luck.
[05:02] <topyli> lizardking: weird. works here. you have encountered a mysterious bug :)
[05:02] <funkyhat> ok, i've just done apt-cache search apache2
[05:03] <funkyhat> which has returned a load of packages
[05:03] <lizardking> uff
[05:03] <luislx> sorry by my english, but isn't my first languaje
[05:03] <luislx> language jeje
[05:03] <topyli> funkyhat: yes, you see tons of extra modules for it too. make your pick :)
[05:03] <luislx> ok let's start
[05:03] <Falstius> jeje?  must be spanish :)
[05:03] <luislx> ajajjaja that's correct
[05:03] <pepesan> hi all
[05:04] <lizardking> not work because if i make NEW launcher  this it is not displayed :(
[05:04] <luislx> for my own distro i used www.ubuntuguide.org, it's for newbies
[05:04] <funkyhat> does apt check dependencies?
[05:04] <lizardking> but it is created in  nautilus applications:///
[05:04] <zenwhen> hi
[05:05] <luislx> yes
[05:05] <fox-paul> daniels, no luck i'm afraid. i've got the module loaded an all, but starting X with the fglrx driver gives me a blank screen
[05:05] <luislx> hey, first open the page please
[05:05] <daniels> fox-paul: lucky you, I suppose
[05:05] <luislx> you need to add internet repositories to your system
[05:05] <funkyhat> because if it does i'll just install the php package and be lazy :P
[05:05] <daniels> fox-paul: unfortunately there's nought I can do, since it's binary-only and all
[05:05] <topyli> lizardking: then the gnome menu is b0rken. are you up to date?
[05:05] <luislx> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#apachehttpserver this one is for apache
[05:05] <fox-paul> hmmm, do you think they dropped support for my card or something?
[05:06] <topyli> funkyhat: that's how i always do things :)
[05:06] <zAo^^> how can I easyly create gnome tools/small apps?
[05:06] <nyxx> bleh, I forgot the livecd was running in my cdrw drive.. :/ is it possible to install any packages in ramdisk or attached usb hdd in a livecd?
[05:06] <luislx> instructions for dummies as me jajajaj
[05:06] <setite> why wont vmware install!
[05:06] <lizardking> yes
[05:06] <funkyhat> luislx: i'm using apt-get
[05:06] <pepesan> im lookin for the channel for the ppc port someone know it?
[05:06] <lizardking> now i try to do upgrade
[05:06] <lizardking> wait here
[05:06] <setite> it installs but i cant run it because of missing database files
[05:06] <setite> Unable to find the database file (/etc/vmware/locations)
[05:06] <luislx> ok the use apt-get install apache2
[05:07] <lizardking> 5 min at the end of upgrade
[05:07] <topyli> luislx: seems a bit like if you follow the guide you won't learn much. like what the hell all these commands actually are :)
[05:07] <luislx> then
[05:07] <luislx> $ sudo apt-get install php4
[05:07] <luislx> $ sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4
[05:07] <luislx> $ sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload
[05:07] <luislx> $ sudo gedit /var/www/testphp.php
[05:07] <icerogue> sudo su is my friend
[05:07] <luislx> ajajja that's 'cos i used to be mandrake friend jeje
[05:08] <luislx> i'm learning again all this stuff jeje
[05:08] <crypticreign> seems my touchpad is really slow all of a sudden
[05:08] <setite> someone help me install vmware
[05:08] <topyli> luislx: oh yes, drakwizard. mandrake is cool
[05:08] <luislx> but that guide is acctually cool, makes the change easy as possible
[05:09] <funkyhat> i get D: Couldn't find package php4
[05:09] <funkyhat> *E: Couldn't...
[05:09] <luislx> but the main reason for being here is 'cos I need help with mi All-in-one printer, lexmark p3150
[05:10] <luislx> that's 'cos you haven't add online repositories
[05:10] <funkyhat> how do i do that?
[05:10] <luislx> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:11] <trey3> luislx, umm... php4 is in Ubuntu...
[05:11] <topyli> luislx: one of them printer-scanner-copiers?
[05:11] <trey3> I see:
[05:11] <luislx> yes topyli
[05:11] <topyli> and lexmark too. good luck :)
[05:11] <luislx> ajajajaj :P buuuuu jajjaj
[05:11] <topyli> heh
[05:12] <trey3> php4-cgi php4-cli php4-common php4-dev
[05:12] <luislx> that's the packages :P
[05:12] <luislx> so, what can I do?
[05:12] <topyli> luislx: see what they say about the printer at linuxprinting.org. you might get it to print at least
[05:12] <Josip> for installing a LAMP(P) configuration , I would highly recomment XAMPP
[05:12] <luislx> other friends say that i should burn the printer and get a new one jajajaaj
[05:14] <trey3> Only unstable will be used  :/
[05:14] <mousematt> is it normal for warty to use both the OSS and ALSA mixer controls in gnome volume control?
[05:14] <Josip> I'm expiriencing two problems
[05:15] <crypticreign> mousematt: i noticed that too!
[05:15] <Josip> the first one : when I try to play a file in bmp/xmms the application freezes
[05:15] <mousematt> crypticreign: do either of them work?
[05:15] <crypticreign> mousematt: i dont think it is
[05:15] <Josip> the second one : I can play with rhythmbox, but the sound and all system's sounds too are not clear
[05:15] <mousematt> have u got a VIA soundcard?
[05:15] <Josip> they're like ... don't know how to describe
[05:15] <calamari> mousematt: I have both as well
[05:15] <Josip> it's on board
[05:15] <Josip> not quite sure
[05:15] <topyli> luislx: you can give it to someone who has windows, trade it for real hardware or something
[05:16] <mousematt> calamari: does the volume control work?
[05:16] <Josip> it's not a hardware problem, since it's playing well on windows
[05:16] <calamari> Turtle Beach Montego card here
[05:16] <trey3> Josip, lspci
[05:16] <crypticreign> mousematt: yes.. it seems tho that my actual sound card(alsa) listed doesnt produce 100% volume, just the other sound card listed (oss) can prdouce 100% volume, its wierd
[05:16] <calamari> mousematt: the oss one yes.. haven't tried alsa one.. one sec and I will
[05:16] <trey3> Josip, (to answer mousematt's question)
[05:16] <calamari> mousematt: both controls work
[05:16] <Josip> I didn't have this problem since I added hoary's repo and done apt-get upgrade , then I couldn't start gnome, so i deleleted the reppo, uncommented the old ones and apt-get upgraded again
[05:16] <mousematt> crypticreign: i only have OSS but neither really seems to control the volume levels in apps like totem
[05:17] <Josip> SiS, not VIA
[05:17] <luislx> yea, but I really love my printer, in windows works perfectly. then I think if ubuntu is the only distro thats recognize my wireless card easily, there's a chance for print my paperworks here too :P
[05:17] <knghtbrd> okay, I'm liking XFCE4
[05:17] <Josip> 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  735 Host (rev 01)
[05:17] <Josip> 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Virtual PCI-to-PCI bridge (AGP)
[05:17] <topyli> so ummm... if irdadump shows traffic on the computer side, then my irda communication problem might be located in userland?
[05:18] <mousematt> ok Josip. Both your card and mine are onboard AC'97 cards
[05:18] <knghtbrd> it is much zippier on the Celeron than Gnome (which is important because it's hard to call Gnome "zippy" on the Celeron by any stretch of the imagination, the Celeron is a piece of crap!)
[05:18] <Josip> yes, AC '97
[05:18] <Josip> I remember now ;-)
[05:18] <iMeXdiAC> i'd like to limit my bandwith what should i use ?
[05:18] <lizardking> i have tried to upgrade and nothing
[05:18] <lizardking> My launcher aren't there
[05:19] <mousematt> does anyone here have an onboard VIA soundcard and two volume controls - one ALSA one OSS - neither of which seems to be working
[05:19] <mousematt> or VIA EPIA box
[05:19] <topyli> knghtbrd: well, xfce is lean for sure
[05:19] <trey3> mousematt, ensure only 'snd-via82xx' is loaded... and not 'via82xx'
[05:20] <knghtbrd> topyli: exactly
[05:20] <trey3> mousematt, (ie... the alsa module only... not the oss)
[05:20] <Josip> what shall I do ?
[05:20] <topyli> knghtbrd: try fvwm :)
[05:20] <knghtbrd> topyli: well, as lean as it can get with GTK2  ;)
[05:20] <funkyhat> which os are you installing vmware on?
[05:20] <funkyhat> *ignore that*
[05:20] <knghtbrd> hate fvwm, that's why I tried XFCE
[05:20] <trey3> Josip, 1st problem... you have codec installed?  not sure on 2nd though...
[05:21] <Josip> yes
[05:21] <knghtbrd> on such systems I tend to use wmaker
[05:21] <mousematt> trey3: how do i do that in ubuntu (would have used Mandrake Control Centre in the past)
[05:21] <Josip> gstreamer with mad and most of the plugins
[05:21] <knghtbrd> (I'm a Mac user, sosumi!)
[05:21] <trey3> mousematt, lsmod ... see if both are there... if both are 'rmmod via82xx'
[05:22] <lizardking> if someone can hepl me with nautilus laucnher please read this
[05:22] <lizardking> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11782
[05:22] <trey3> mousematt, 'sudo' infont of second command
[05:22] <mousematt> trey3: how do i make my changes permanent? *thankyou for your help btw*
[05:22] <knghtbrd> I mean, the Celeron is a 400MHz system, it's not that pathetic.
[05:23] <knghtbrd> it just doesn't have much RAM or disk or spare CPU once you start talking web browser
[05:23] <trey3> mousematt, you can add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist ...
[05:23] <trey3> mousematt, that way it won't load at boot...
[05:23] <topyli> knghtbrd: the cpu is irrelevant on a desktop, ram is what counts. the cpu is idle mostly
[05:24] <Guardiann> trey3 in order to run xine i need to type ln -s hdc /dev/dvd is there a way to load that at boot
[05:24] <mousematt> thankyou trey3
[05:24] <iMeXdiAC> anyone :) .. i'd like to limit my bandwith what should i use ?
[05:24] <trey3> Guardiann, hmm... not sure why it wouldn't stay?
[05:25] <Guardiann> hmmm yeah kinda strange
[05:27] <Casanova> hello... i am not able to configure my ADSL modem in ubuntu... is there some way that i can download the packages in windows and install it in ubuntu?
[05:27] <kakashi> have some problem with my .avi codec in ubuntu .... pls HELP
[05:28] <kakashi> using TOTEM player
[05:28] <kakashi> have some problem with my .avi codec in ubuntu .... pls HELP
[05:28] <kakashi> using TOTEM player
[05:28] <kakashi> have some problem with my .avi codec in ubuntu .... pls HELP
[05:28] <kakashi> using TOTEM player
[05:28] <kakashi> have some problem with my .avi codec in ubuntu .... pls HELP
[05:28] <kakashi> using TOTEM player
[05:28] <topyli> kakashi: right right
[05:28] <kakashi> ok
[05:29] <Guardiann> kakashi lol once is enough
[05:29] <kakashi> so music is playing well but there is simply no video
[05:29] <kakashi> what shall
[05:29] <funkyhat> $ sudo gedit /var/www/testphp.php isn't much good when i don't have gnome......
[05:29] <kakashi> ok
[05:29] <trey3> funkyhat, nano is pretty easy to understand...
[05:29] <topyli> kakashi: do you actually have the codec?
[05:29] <Guardiann> have you looked at www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:30] <funkyhat> ooh yep, looks pretty good :)
[05:30] <Casanova> does anybody know a way to get updates done offline?
[05:30] <trey3> Casanova, umm... install the new version?
[05:31] <EvolutionR> I live in Malaysia, is there any download mirror to get the ubuntu realease?
[05:31] <kakashi> topyli: just downloaded ubuntu and try to make it going well ... isn't there any standard codec for ubuntu ... if not where to download it
[05:31] <trey3> EvolutionR, the main one isn't fast enough?
[05:31] <Casanova> trey3, i am on a bad connection... downloading the latest versio n each time is impossible
[05:31] <EvolutionR> trey3: their slow....some times drop connection
[05:31] <Guardiann> kakashi look in www.ubuntuguide.org  it shows you there
[05:32] <Casanova> trey3, also... i want to download the w32codecs.. how do i do it....my modem is not working in ubuntu
[05:32] <topyli> kakashi: by default you don't have the proprietary formats. i'll look up a link
[05:32] <trey3> Casanova, you could... say... once a month? either way... just install newer version when you need it...
[05:32] <kakashi> topyli: OK thanks
[05:32] <EvolutionR> What's apps bundle on new ubuntu ???
[05:32] <Casanova> trey3, what abt the codecs?
[05:33] <trey3> Casanova, download on this machine... and put on a disc?
[05:33] <Casanova> trey3, thats the poitn.... what do i download? and from where?
[05:34] <topyli> kakashi: this is it: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:34] <netmonk> does anyone have an idea what can I do with flash plugin on iBook G3
[05:34] <trey3> Casanova, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/
[05:34] <scizzo> Casanova: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:35] <trey3> scizzo, he can't do it that way... enless you know of an apt port to winblows?
[05:35] <kakashi> topyli: thank u very much
[05:35] <crypticreign> my mouse is slow now everytime gnome is booted into.. seems fine in gdm
[05:35] <EvolutionR> what's in ubuntu kde or gnome and what version?
[05:35] <Casanova> trey3, so i download the debian files and go to ubuntu and install?
[05:35] <trey3> EvolutionR, there are over 15,000, you want me to list them all?  :/
[05:36] <trey3> Casanova, yes
[05:36] <Casanova> trey3, i am new to linux... can you give me the exact sytax of how to install a paxkage?
[05:36] <crypticreign> i changed the mouse sensitivy.. one is too slow, the next one up is way to fast
[05:36] <crypticreign> *too
[05:36] <EvolutionR> trey3: no no, can you show me the website that list?
[05:36] <trey3> Casanova, dpkg -i foo.deb
[05:36] <Riddell> EvolutionR: gnome is on the disk, kde in the repository, KDE 3.2 in warty, KDE 3.3 in hoary, gnome 2.8 in warty, gnome 1.9 in hoary
[05:37] <scizzo> trey3: it was ment for him to follow the ftp link
[05:37] <EvolutionR> Riddell: ok
[05:37] <trey3> EvolutionR, there isn't one... there is apparently work in progress for creating a packages.debian.org-like site for Ubuntu though...
[05:37] <scizzo> Riddell: 1.9 ? ;)
[05:37] <Casanova> trey3, where can i download the codecs to play MP3 in ubntu? they are not there in the ftp link you gave me... i mean the w32codecs are not there
[05:37] <Riddell> scizzo: 2.9 rather
[05:37] <scizzo> Riddell: hehe
[05:38] <EvolutionR> trey3: : )
[05:38] <EvolutionR> I got to find a link to download it ubuntu
[05:38] <EvolutionR> too bad too few mirrors available
[05:38] <EvolutionR> they should include Asia...
[05:39] <knghtbrd> topyli: My CPUs don't often idle, but then I put them to work  ;)
[05:40] <topyli> knghtbrd: sure, you can always figure out something for them to do
[05:40] <Casanova> does anybody know where i can download the debian package of w32codecs???
[05:40] <trey3> Casanova, trying to get you a link... taking a while to load the site  :/
[05:41] <Casanova> trey3, sorry and thank you
[05:41] <trey3> Casanova, I just gave you that link!!
[05:41] <Casanova> trey3, what?
[05:41] <trey3> Where to get w32codecs... I _just_ told you!!!
[05:41] <Casanova> trey3, not there in ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/
[05:42] <Casanova> there is no single package called w32codecs
[05:42] <Casanova> do i have download 'em as separate packages only?
[05:44] <topyli> Casanova: i suggest you just install the w32codecs package
[05:44] <occy> heh, I've got a P200 laptop that someone gave me... and am trying to think what might be the best "light-weight" distro to stick on it.   Is there a way I can use Ubuntu on it without installing gnome?   (doing a light-weight install that is?)
[05:44] <EvolutionR> Casanova: try it here http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/
[05:44] <EvolutionR> it's rpm package
[05:44] <Casanova> topyli, where can i get the package?
[05:45] <scizzo> occy: you could do a custom install
[05:45] <EvolutionR> Casanova: try it here http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/
[05:45] <occy> scizzo: is that an option at boot?
[05:45] <Casanova> EvolutionR, will converting using alien work?
[05:45] <topyli> Casanova: from Christian Marillat's repository like you were told
[05:45] <hongyihu> I just switched over to Ubuntu a few weeks ago.  Pretty nice.  The only big problem I've had is that it sometimes hangs at "Loading Modules" when I'm trying to boot it.  This is on the 2.6.8.1-4-386 kernel.  I'm also using ndiswrapper to get wlan0 working.  I wonder that if that's related.  (This is on a Dell Inspiron 600M).  If I boot into "recovery" mode, it seems to work fine most of the time.
[05:45] <EvolutionR> Casanova: what distro u use?
[05:45] <Casanova> ubuntu
[05:46] <EvolutionR> well give it a go can try it
[05:46] <scizzo> occy: yes
[05:47] <occy> k
[05:47] <trey3> Casanova, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/   <-- has w32codecs (unstable Packages.gz points here...)
[05:47] <scizzo> occy: maybe it is called expert or something
[05:47] <Casanova> EvolutionR, does xine come with the codecs?
[05:47] <scizzo> occy: you can try it... not sure how much will be installed...
[05:47] <trey3> Casanova, no it doesn't
[05:48] <EvolutionR> Casanova: what I suggest is you download the xine-lib.rpm, xine-ui.
[05:48] <EvolutionR> Casanova: I think xine comes with little codecs...not many
[05:48] <nyxx> this is probably a futile question but is there any way at all to get the livecd to play mp3/divx files?
[05:48] <Casanova> EvolutionR, thanx.... trey3 got me the w32codecs package anyway
[05:49] <|QuaD-> nyxx: no.... those decoder programs/codecs were not included for possible copyright reasons
[05:49] <EvolutionR> Casanova: download the w32codecs .rpm I tried that b4 it worked...on realplayer , divx, quicktime
[05:49] <EvolutionR> Casanova: : )
[05:49] <trey3> Casanova, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gst-plugins0.8/   <-- the one stating 'mad' is for mp3
[05:50] <Xen> hi need help install netgear ma101
[05:50] <|QuaD-> Xen: is that usb?
[05:50] <Xen> yes
[05:51] <|QuaD-> Xen: did you try just plugging it in and rebooting?
[05:51] <nyxx> well poo :( I've been doing some reading and guess even if I sacrifice some data on a spare hdd to the ubuntu gods I can't install from the live cd, is that correct?
[05:51] <Casanova> thank your trey3 and EvolutionR .... i think this will do the job
[05:51] <Xen> oh i ll just try that
[05:51] <trey3> Casanova, :)
[05:52] <trey3> Casanova, you really ought to be trying to get network access before watching pr0n though   :P
[05:52] <|QuaD-> nyxx: you can't install from liveCD(i don't believe) why not do the harddrive install though?
[05:52] <hongyihu> no ideas on the hanging on "Loading Modules"?
[05:52] <Casanova> trey3, haha.... i have a USB ADSL modem... the driver is giving me a hard time configuring in ubuntu
[05:52] <|QuaD-> nyxx: i know gnoppix is based on ubuntu now, you might want to check that out, it *MIGHT* allow mp3 / DiVX playback
[05:53] <agenteo> someone has installed the dictionaries in ubuntu? I need to get a list of words but I can't figure out where to find the data I've downloaded
[05:53] <nyxx> I didn't burn a copy of that cd and my main computer is completely out of action right now so no new cds can be burned for a few days
[05:53] <trey3> Casanova, 'lspci' what does it say about your nic?
[05:53] <Casanova> wat?
[05:53] <|QuaD-> nyxx: you can burn the cd from the live cd
[05:53] <Josip> I'm gonna kill somebody
[05:53] <trey3> |QuaD-, not "based on" ... *IS*
[05:53] <Casanova> trey3, wat?
[05:53] <Josip> my sound suXxX
[05:53] <|QuaD-> trey3: its not modified at all?
[05:54] <Josip> any troubleshooting ? ;-)
[05:54] <Josip> AC'97
[05:54] <|QuaD-> Josip: i am not helping you if you threaten to kill me
[05:54] <Josip> |QuaD-, you're not in my near , so don't be afraid ;-)
[05:54] <|QuaD-> Josip: how do you know? i could be your neighbor!
[05:54] <topyli> Josip: the chip is trouble. get a $15 sound blaster
[05:55] <Josip> .bu.edu
[05:55] <Josip> I'm from Macedonia
[05:55] <trey3> Casanova, its plugged in via a nic right (cuz modems have to be attached somehow *nods*) ... 'lspci | grep Ethernet'
[05:55] <Josip> well ... everything works fine on Windows
[05:55] <Josip> *cough*
[05:55] <Josip> worked fine on linux too, until i made a downgrade ;-)
[05:55] <|QuaD-> Josip: i am actually ssh'ing in :) i am not at this computer
[05:55] <Casanova> trey3, it is connected to the USB port.... not the ethernet card
[05:55] <|QuaD-> Josip: i AM a mile away from the machine i am on
[05:55] <Josip> supposed to be an upgrade, added hoary's repo etc.
[05:55] <topyli> Josip: well it should work on windows. it's supported there
[05:56] <trey3> Josip, lspci | grep Audio ... state EXACTLY what it says...
[05:56] <|QuaD-> Josip: it isn't working with hoary but worked with warty?
[05:56] <icerogue> okay i just got a domain name, how would you suggest going about using dynamicdns?
[05:56] <Josip> it gives NOTHING
[05:56] <trey3> Casanova, bah... what kinda modem is it?
[05:56] <nyxx> |QuaD-, will it let me use the drive it's in somehow or will I have to move my other burner over? I also still need to sacrifice some data to get room to download the image to, so I'll need to play with that some too. can you format/partition or otherwise get permissions on a drive in the livecd?
[05:56] <topyli> icerogue: go to dyndns.org and follow the instructions :)
[05:56] <|QuaD-> icerogue: i have my box using a no-ip address, and a nameserver that points to this no-ip address
[05:56] <trey3> Josip, grep audio instead?  if its not listed at all... thats bad...
[05:56] <Casanova> it has the GlobeSpan chipset.... the modem is Teragate
[05:56] <Casanova> trey3,  it has the GlobeSpan chipset.... the modem is Teragate
[05:57] <Josip> but note on this line which is ouyputted by <lspci>
[05:57] <Josip> 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)
[05:57] <Josip> there isn't any Audio line
[05:57] <Xen> iQuad i have warty i tried to reboot but ma101 does not show in wireless peripherals
[05:57] <|QuaD-> nyxx: yes to all of those (i believe)
[05:58] <|QuaD-> Xen: do you have the drivers installed?
[05:58] <icerogue> is it possible to have a cron job access a website?
[05:58] <Josip> icerogue, yep I thikn
[05:58] <Josip> think*
[05:59] <Xen> Quad nope i need help installing those drivers
[05:59] <trey3> Josip, thats what I wanted you to paste... but I don't understand... where are you getting AC 97 from that?
[05:59] <|QuaD-> icerogue: yes.... there is a way you can do that in links... or with php
[05:59] <Josip> I've opened the box many times ;)
[05:59] <|QuaD-> Xen: do you know the chipset
[05:59] <Josip> the sound isn't clear
[05:59] <Josip> it's like . hmm ..
[06:00] <Xen> iquad no i gues atmel drivers works read it somewhere
[06:00] <Josip> and when I load songs into xmms/bmp and try to load them the player just *sigh* crushes
[06:00] <|QuaD-> Xen: i don't think its the atmel drivers, i believe its the prism2 drivers, right?
[06:00] <Josip> brb
[06:01] <Xen> iquad i ll look on the net hold on
[06:01] <trey3> Josip, I've never seen any player crash due to not having the drivers loaded... only on codec issues...
[06:01] <nyxx> 1 more question then I'll go back to reading/playing.. on the livecd desktop is the ramdisk item known to be broken? doesn't work for me and in the properties everything is "unknown" while there's information in the properties of the cdrom and sda1 things
[06:01] <stolidad> how do I tell apt-get to use a http proxy?
[06:01] <Guardiann> i was having a similar problem to josip
[06:02] <Guardiann> what i discovered was that the kernel and my on board modem were not liking each other
[06:02] <Xen> iquad the ma101driver is at76c503a
[06:02] <|QuaD-> Xen: this is the usb dongle?
[06:03] <Xen> iquad : it is a bit bigger with a usb cable
[06:04] <|QuaD-> Xen: oh, i thought it was a different one, no idea how to install that, did you find the driver on the net?
[06:04] <payal> hi all
[06:05] <Guardiann> hello
[06:05] <|QuaD-> Xen: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto/view?searchterm=wlan
[06:06] <payal> when I try to access my doc files in my other machine -> sun-test/d/my documents/resu/french/design in oct/desi.doc
[06:06] <payal> I get an access error which says the file does not exist
[06:07] <payal> but the file does exist and I can access the same with xandros
[06:07] <payal> what is wrong?
[06:07] <Josip> same thing again
[06:09] <seb128> hidde2: ?
[06:10] <payal> any ideas?
[06:10] <Josip> going to burn my audio card
[06:10] <Josip> with the mobo togother
[06:12] <Josip> the sound sounds like .. pitched
[06:15] <basse> yo
[06:21] <mjk> hi all
[06:22] <Guardiann> hello
[06:22] <|QuaD-> mjk: hi
[06:22] <icerogue> whats the name of the text based browser?
[06:23] <hidde> lynx links
[06:23] <|QuaD-> links, lynx, there are a few
[06:23] <|QuaD-> you can use telnet as a text based browser
[06:23] <|QuaD-> thats always fun
[06:24] <bj_> hello hello.
[06:24] <icerogue> i just need it to be able to acces a web address i give it once every so manny hours
[06:24] <bj_> anyone know how to make a gnome-panel transparent? the whole thingthough
[06:24] <|QuaD-> icerogue: i am doing something like that currently with out a browser
[06:24] <Josip> where can I find a .deb package for AC'97 drivers ?
[06:25] <Serengeti> bj_ I quess you have to wait for gnome 2.10 :)
[06:25] <|QuaD-> icerogue: try something like this:  php -r "include('http://website')"
[06:25] <bj_> but i hear its possible in 2.9.4
[06:25] <icerogue> |QuaD-: thanks
[06:26] <|QuaD-> icerogue: thats what you want to do right/
[06:26] <|QuaD-> icerogue: i use it to keep track of my ip
[06:26] <icerogue> |QuaD-: i am going to use it to update the dns
[06:26] <Serengeti> bj_ yeah there's even a screenshot
[06:26] <|QuaD-> icerogue: want an easier way to do that?
[06:27] <bj_> Serengeti, yup
[06:27] <Serengeti> bj_ http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-10/
[06:27] <icerogue> QuaD-: sure
[06:27] <Kokey> bj_, in panel properties
[06:27] <MrMinit> No operators? =O
[06:27] <Serengeti> bj_ i guess you've seen it already :)
[06:27] <|QuaD-> icerogue: you will run into problems with routers and caching your way
[06:27] <|QuaD-> icerogue: do you know what no-ip is?
[06:27] <icerogue> no i dont
[06:27] <Kokey> http://kokey.gluch.org.mx/blog/images/screenshots/gnome2.9.png <== this my desktop
[06:27] <bj_> Kokey, ony like half of it changes though. applets including menus dont change
[06:28] <|QuaD-> icerogue: it does basically what you want, www.no-ip.com, read that and let me know when you are done
[06:28] <sxd> anyone know where i can download a package of taglib 1.3.1
[06:28] <paradoxmo> any galeon users here?
[06:29] <Guardiann> in order to run xine i must type ln -s hdc /dev/dvd is there a way to load that at bootup
[06:29] <yaaar> word
[06:29] <|QuaD-> word
[06:30] <Serengeti> bj_ i'm not sure but i think you need to have composite extension turned on. but i'm using warty not hoary now so i can't check it
[06:30] <icerogue> |QuaD-: does the program they have work on linux?
[06:30] <sxd> or where i can download any packages for ubuntu? i just changed from mdk and i'm not sure what you use on ubuntu
[06:30] <|QuaD-> icerogue: apt-cache search no-ip :)
[06:31] <|QuaD-> or maybe noip
[06:31] <bj_> Serengeti, yeah i got that on. searching through gconf now
[06:31] <paradoxmo> Guardiann: usually, udev takes care of that
[06:31] <paradoxmo> it should create the link for you
[06:31] <Guardiann> its not tho
[06:32] <maximaus> sxd, have you tweaked your sourced in Synaptic, adding the Universe component.
[06:32] <sxd> ya but the highest version of taglib is 1.1.1 i need 1.3.1
[06:32] <paradoxmo> Guardiann: do you have a link to /etc/udev/udev.rules in /etc/udev/rules.d
[06:32] <paradoxmo> ?
[06:32] <Skwid_> how can i restart my computer on console only, with no X ???
[06:32] <paradoxmo> Skwid_: sudo reboot
[06:32] <Serengeti> bj_ good luck
[06:33] <Guardiann> let me check
[06:33] <linuxn00b> Hi, has anyone gotten the gdesklets irc thingy to work?? well...actually it works but it doesnt seem to connect :s
[06:33] <lizardking> please help me
[06:33] <paradoxmo> what do you need help with
[06:34] <lizardking> i have pass all the afternoon to know this bug
[06:34] <Guardiann> hmm there is no folder called udev under etc
[06:34] <|QuaD-> linuxn00b: i used gdesklets a while ago, didn't like it that much, had irc thing working
[06:34] <|QuaD-> lizardking: whats the problem
[06:34] <lizardking> i have problem with nautilus
[06:34] <paradoxmo> Guardiann: did you upgrade from debian?
[06:34] <Guardiann> sorry i am blind
[06:34] <lizardking> i hav reinstalled nautilus
[06:34] <sxd> maximaus, is there other sources to download packages apart from synaptic?
[06:34] <Guardiann> from warty
[06:34] <linuxn00b> |QuaD-, how did you get it to work?? is it just slow at connecting??
[06:34] <paradoxmo> Guardiann: so is the link there?
[06:34] <|QuaD-> lizardking: hoary or warty? how did you "reinstall nautilus"
[06:34] <lizardking> and now i have my icons n nautilus applications/// but not in the menu bar Applications
[06:34] <|QuaD-> linuxn00b: it worked fine here
[06:35] <lizardking> warty
[06:35] <Guardiann> yes i have the link
[06:35] <lizardking> i reinstall with synaptic
[06:35] <linuxn00b> odd...mine open but not connect haha
[06:35] <lizardking> mark the package how RESINTALL
[06:35] <paradoxmo> hmm, and it still doesn't create the link to /dev/dvd?
[06:35] <Guardiann> nope
[06:35] <|QuaD-> lizardking: sorry, don't know synaptic... hoary or warty?
[06:36] <icerogue> |QuaD-: do you have to get your domain through them?
[06:36] <paradoxmo> Guardiann: what udev version? dpkg -s udev
[06:36] <|QuaD-> icerogue: no... sign up for something like icerogue.no-ip.com
[06:36] <|QuaD-> i will explain how to translate this to your domain after
[06:36] <Skwid_> paradoxmo: nono, i want to restart, but then be in console after I restarted, with no X
[06:37] <Guardiann> Version: 0.050-3ubuntu2
[06:37] <paradoxmo> Skwid_: do you want that to be permanent?
[06:37] <Skwid_> paradoxmo: no, just once
[06:37] <lizardking> warty
[06:38] <lizardking> synaptic is the GUI tool to install pkg in ubuntu/debian
[06:38] <lizardking> some help?
[06:38] <paradoxmo> Guardiann: try looking at the udev docs in /usr/share/doc/udev, there should be a way to add a symlink like you want
[06:38] <|QuaD-> lizardking: i know what it is.... i just find apt-get a much more intuitive UI
[06:38] <lizardking> ok
[06:38] <lizardking> im with warty
[06:38] <Guardiann> paradoxmo ok thanks i will in a few mins
[06:38] <lizardking> do U understand my bug?
[06:39] <lizardking> , prova
[06:39] <Guardiann> i will let you know
[06:39] <paradoxmo> Skwid_: do you really need to be in console only? or can you just switch to it ctrl-alt-f1
[06:39] <Skwid_> nono
[06:39] <Skwid_> i need no X running
[06:39] <lizardking> %n o
[06:39] <|QuaD-> lizardking: yes, but i can't help you, no idea what that did
[06:39] <Skwid_> is that what the 2d mode is in grub ?
[06:39] <paradoxmo> you can do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop and then logout of your current session
[06:39] <lizardking> uff
[06:39] <lizardking> i have tried al
[06:39] <lizardking> all
[06:40] <lizardking> some in gconf but dont know where
[06:40] <lizardking> maybe some in gconf but dont know where
[06:40] <paradoxmo> Skwid_: no, that gets you into single user mode
[06:40] <paradoxmo> Skwid_: i assume you want multiuser, but without x?
[06:40] <Skwid_> paradoxmo: hum ... i just want no X
[06:40] <paradoxmo> Skwid_: what are you trying to do?
[06:41] <Skwid_> paradoxmo: lauch project looking glass in session
[06:41] <occy> scizzo: hey... you rock.  custom seems to be working just fine.
[06:41] <lizardking> someone knows weel Nautilus here?
[06:41] <paradoxmo> Skwid_: okay, what you want to do is logout of your current x session, and then from command line do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[06:41] <Skwid_> paradoxmo: and how do i do that ?
[06:42] <paradoxmo> Skwid_: you're in X now, right?
[06:42] <Skwid_> paradoxmo: i'm on windows right now :)
[06:42] <Skwid_> gonna reboot in a few secs
[06:42] <paradoxmo> Skwid_: basically,
[06:43] <paradoxmo> switch to a console (ctl-alt-f1) and then login; then type "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[06:43] <Skwid_> ok
[06:43] <Skwid_> i'll try
[06:44] <occy> heh, custom installed on this p200 laptop just peachy.
[06:44] <occy> Trying to setup this old lady with Ubuntu so she doesn't have to buy a new laptop.
[06:45] <occy> if she'd only use Lynx and Mutt, she'd be set.
[06:45] <occy> heh
[06:45] <funkyhat_____> does ubuntu install iptables by default?
[06:45] <linuxn00b> |QuaD-, do I need a irc client already running before I use the gdesklets irc??
[06:45] <|QuaD-> linuxn00b: no... it is an irc client... what is happened?
[06:45] <|QuaD-> *happening
[06:45] <occy> whoa...
[06:45] <occy> gdesklets irc?
[06:46] <occy> url?
[06:46] <paradoxmo> funkyhat___: yes
[06:46] <|QuaD-> occy, its there if you get the packages from ubuntu (i believe), might need hoary thoguh
[06:46] <paradoxmo> funkyhat___: but not activated by default
[06:46] <occy> http://www.freshports.org/irc/gdesklets-irc/
[06:46] <funkyhat_____> ok, thanks :)
[06:47] <linuxn00b> |QuaD-, well I open it using "gdesklets /usr/shre/gdesklets/Display/irc/irc.display" then I do the right click on it and enter my settings, but when I clcik on "reconnect" nothing happens I can't even configure it again without closing then opening it agian :s
[06:48] <occy> http://sremington.zapto.org/gdesklets/index.html
[06:48] <icerogue> |QuaD-: ok i am there
[06:49] <occy> that's insane.
[06:49] <occy> but cool
[06:49] <occy> what's next gdesklet firefox and thunderbird?
[06:49] <occy> heh
[06:50] <linuxn00b> a thunderbird one would be nice :D
[06:50] <occy> gdesklet blender!
[06:50] <Hwolf> Hm, after the recent upgrade's, I lost my audigy card.
[06:50] <|QuaD-> icerogue: now... put that address in your nameserver(dns) and it will work
[06:50] <icerogue> |QuaD-: icerogue.no-ip.com?
[06:50] <occy> gdesklets seem nice if you have a 3Ghz processor or something....
[06:50] <|QuaD-> icerogue: yuppers
[06:51] <|QuaD-> first i would test to make sure it works
[06:51] <|QuaD-> by ssh'ing to icerouge.no-ip.com or whatever
[06:51] <xvlun> hi
[06:51] <occy> oh.... serious question.  What do I need to install X?   I would like to do the probe-X or whatever it is that auto-detects your video settings under Ubuntu.
[06:52] <occy> I don't have X installed on that laptop as it is, I had to do a custom install as the HD is only 2G.
[06:52] <occy> So I still need to install X.
[06:52] <paradoxmo> occy: i believe you just need to apt-get install x-window-system
[06:53] <occy> ahhh
[06:53] <occy> shucks, I did xserver-xfree86
[06:53] <paradoxmo> yeah that doesn't bring in everything you need
[06:54] <occy> k, tx
[06:54] <icerogue>  |QuaD-:There is some problem updating the NameServers
[06:54] <icerogue> The problem is: Failed to get registrar lock 	
[06:54] <icerogue> There is some problem getting the NameServers
[06:54] <icerogue> The problem is: Cannot get list of existing nameservers|QuaD-:|QuaD-:
[06:54] <icerogue> |QuaD-: thats what i got when i tried
[06:55] <|QuaD-> icerogue: weird... waht nameserver you using?
[06:56] <icerogue> i put username.no-ip.com in for my nameserver listing at namecheap.com
[06:57] <|QuaD-> icerogue: what type of listing, cname?
[06:58] <BeTa> sorry for this off-topic post, but I have a good friend who is looking for a "training job" (in france we call it a "stage", which is a job to complete a formation, here ingeneering studies) in image and signal processing... if anyone is interrested... let me know ;c)
[06:58] <icerogue> |QuaD-: namecheap.com is my registrar, i am not sure what your question is
[06:59] <|QuaD-> icerogue: OHH i understand your problems... no-ip isn't a dns, so what dns server were you using?
[06:59] <|QuaD-> before this
[06:59] <|QuaD-> BeTa: i am interested
[06:59] <icerogue> namecheap.com has their own
[06:59] <|QuaD-> you sure they have their own servers??? i doubt it
[06:59] <|QuaD-> or they do, but they make you pay for the servers
[06:59] <crypticreign> where can i change focus settings in gnome?
[07:00] <icerogue>  You are currently using our domain name servers (DNS) for your domain.
[07:00] <linuxn00b> gdesklets irc sucks!!!! damn thing lags!!!
[07:01] <icerogue> |QuaD-: yeah they say they are
[07:01] <|QuaD-> icerogue: ok, weird... i don't know too much about it then
[07:01] <icerogue> |QuaD-: they offer a dynamic dns option. thats why i was looking into the website thing
[07:02] <crypticreign> i noticed that after i upgraded xorg last night, my mouse moves a lot slower now (touchpad)
[07:02] <icerogue> |QuaD-: they have a program that will do it but thats for windows
[07:02] <cavediver> Hi guys. Can nautilus burn img files, or is there a way to convert it to iso ?
[07:02] <xvlun> as i have a german dvorak layout, i modified /etc/X11/Xmodmap to suit my needs and within gdm it works, but when im finally logged into gnome, the layout is changed back to qwerty (.xmodmap in my homedir is nonexistant)
[07:05] <|QuaD-> icerogue: i use godaddy, coming up to expiration so i might switch to namecheap...
[07:06] <icerogue>  |QuaD-: namecheap.com is 8.88 a year no matter how manny years you want
[07:06] <icerogue> |QuaD-: and they have a special on .info right now i guess
[07:07] <|QuaD-> icerogue: i have a .us, and i want to get a .info.... thats why i might switch, godaddy used to be cheapest
[07:07] <icerogue> |QuaD-: 2.88 for .info right now
[07:08] <|QuaD-> icerogue: yeah
[07:09] <icerogue> |QuaD-:  http://dynamicdns.park-your-domain.com/update?host=host_name&domain=domain.com&password=domain_password is the url i canuse
[07:09] <|QuaD-> icerogue: ?
[07:10] <icerogue> |QuaD-: thats the url you can use to update your ip in the dns
[07:10] <|QuaD-> oh from namescheap?
[07:13] <icerogue> |QuaD-: yeah
[07:14] <|QuaD-> then just do that php -r trick i showed you above
[07:15] <|QuaD-> icerogue: have you recieved any "coupons" in their email newsletters?
[07:16] <icerogue> |QuaD-: i got an reeor in your command you showed me "Parse error: parse error, unexpected $ in Command line code on line 1"
[07:16] <icerogue> *error
[07:17] <crypticreign> evilstoy: named after the synth group?
[07:17] <icerogue> |QuaD-: i just got the domain so i have yet to receive any newsletters from them
[07:18] <|QuaD-> oj
[07:18] <no0tic> hi
[07:18] <|QuaD-> *oh
[07:18] <october> moo
[07:18] <october> heh
[07:19] <stuNNed> heh
[07:19] <icerogue> |QuaD-: do you know what would be causing that error though
[07:19] <october> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2160 [MagicGraph 128XD] 
[07:19] <no0tic> I have acpi enabled, powernowd running, but the system shows a wrong cpu frequency, what can I do? with warty I didn't have problems
[07:19] <no0tic> I have an AMD 2800+ laptop
[07:19] <|QuaD-> icerogue: not a clue... i have nothing registered with them
[07:20] <no0tic> An it shows 796Mhz max intead of 2100...
[07:20] <icerogue> |QuaD-: i was talking about the php error i got
[07:22] <|QuaD-> icerogue: what is it
[07:22] <icerogue> |QuaD-: Parse error: parse error, unexpected $ in Command line code on line 1
[07:23] <|QuaD-> whats the exact line you put in
[07:23] <icerogue> |QuaD-: php -r "include('http://dynamicdns.park-your-domain.com/update?host=myip&domain=khkiota.org&password=7F47C9F9-C9F4-4B36-B2C5-B5973FC4B9AD')"
[07:24] <xiximkopp> hello! did anybody succeed in compiling coaster in hoary from source?
[07:24] <|QuaD-> no idea
[07:24] <|QuaD-> myabe try this
[07:24] <|QuaD-> hold up
[07:24] <icerogue> k
[07:25] <|QuaD-> php -r "header('Location: http://website')"
[07:26] <bartas> hi! anyone talking here?
[07:26] <|QuaD-> bartas: lots are
[07:26] <bartas> yeah....but can't see any...
[07:26] <icerogue> |QuaD-: same error
[07:27] <|QuaD-> ahh, add a semi colon before the last "
[07:28] <icerogue> |QuaD-: no error and no output to the screen
[07:28] <bartas> all right....But maybe U could help me...
[07:28] <funkyhat> how do i reload apache?
[07:28] <bartas> http restart
[07:28] <bartas> httpd - sprry
[07:28] <bartas> sorry :-)
[07:28] <|QuaD-> icerogue: then it worked
[07:28] <funkyhat> not using httpd
[07:29] <funkyhat> using apache2
[07:29] <Josip> @lal0
[07:29] <Josip> sorry ;-(
[07:29] <icerogue> |QuaD-: ok so how do i make that a cron job?
[07:29] <bartas> why would u like to reload apache all the time?
[07:29] <|QuaD-> icerogue: add it to your crontab
[07:30] <|QuaD-> crontab -e i believe
[07:30] <funkyhat> i just want to reload it because i've changed my config
[07:31] <icerogue> |QuaD-: will that run without me being logged in?
[07:31] <bartas> ooops sorry, i've just noticed , that wasn't your question :-)
[07:31] <bartas> i mean - about putting it in the crontab
[07:31] <icerogue> bartas: no prob, good question on your part though
[07:32] <occy> hmmm, video on this Neomagic card is sucking....     0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2160 [MagicGraph 128XD] 
[07:32] <occy> anyone know anything about this chipset?
[07:33] <bartas> funkyhat: "moby wrote :/etc/init.d/apache2 restart for  Apache2"
[07:35] <bartas> sth fu**d up with ubuntu for GeForce4..? I can't set up more than 1280x1024....Anyone seen sth like this?
[07:35] <Agrajag> sth?
[07:35] <haakonn> something
[07:36] <haakonn> it's one of those new-fangled wicked (the bad kind of wicked) acronyms ;)
[07:37] <bartas> ooops my bad... SOMETHING  :P
[07:37] <Agrajag> yes, very bad kind of wicked, I swear, ten years from now all communication on the internet will consist of "words" no more than 3 letters in length and will require someone with a doctorate in linguistics to understand
[07:37] <Agrajag> What driver are you using, nv or nvidia?
[07:37] <bartas> nvidia
[07:38] <Agrajag> Check your X config and see if you have modelines set for higher resolutions
[07:38] <Agrajag> IF they still use those
[07:38] <bartas> i've already done it. But 1280 is still max
[07:38] <Agrajag> weird
[07:38] <bartas> morever
[07:39] <bartas> under MShit everythink seems to be ok...
[07:39] <haakonn> Agrajag:  but imagine how seriously you will be taken as one of the last remaining people who can type out complete sentences :)
[07:39] <crimsun> occy: what's sucking about it?
[07:39] <Agrajag> haakonn: I'd imagine, not very. "oh lk at th guy who stl tlk lik som old prsn"
[07:40] <haakonn> hehe
[07:40] <bartas> oh i gss, that nbdy can hlp m
[07:40] <bartas> ;>
[07:41] <bartas> witam polaka...
[07:41] <ja> :D
[07:42] <crimsun> bartas: it would help immensely if you pasted your /var/log/XFree86.0.log [or /var/log/Xorg.0.log if you're running hoary]  to pastebin.com
[07:42] <occy> crimsun: hey bud.
[07:42] <bartas> ok,proceeding
[07:42] <occy> crimsun: well, there is this older lady who I'm trying to save her some money by getting Linux on this laptop.    X is working but in like 8 bit color or something.
[07:43] <occy> crimsun: I would think you should be able to get at least 800x600 on it @16bpp
[07:44] <gt500> back again :D
[07:44] <ja> Is it ok to make 1 partition as xfs and another one as ext3?
[07:44] <gt500> ^^
[07:46] <gt500> hmm , it's quiet here ...
[07:46] <crimsun> occy: not necessarily. Paste the log onto pastebin.
[07:46] <occy> crimsun: Okies...
[07:46] <crimsun> occy: that chipset is also known to have problems with locking up completely.
[07:47] <occy> crimsun: fun fun
[07:47] <paulproteus> BeTa: In English we call them internships.
[07:47] <bartas> and fluxbox died...:P
[07:47] <crimsun> bartas: have you pasted onto pastebin.com yet?
[07:48] <bartas> in a moment- fluxbox died
[07:48] <gt500> :)
[07:48] <linuxn00b> rip fluxbox :(
[07:48] <october> crimsun putting openssh-server on here...
[07:48] <october> crimsun it's me, occy. :)
[07:48] <gt500> :p
[07:48] <occy> heh
[07:49] <occy> got it
[07:49] <gt500> ^
[07:49] <gt500> ^_^
[07:50] <gt500> hhmmm .... gstreamer should be updated ... like add gstplugin-mad and just update the version ...
[07:50] <crimsun> bartas: pastebin.com
[07:51] <linuxn00b> when does the next stable version on ubuntu come out??
[07:51] <crimsun> bartas: please do not flood me in query, thanks.
[07:51] <icerogue> so the user doesnt have to be logged in for a cron job to work does it?
[07:51] <crimsun> icerogue: correct.
[07:51] <SteveA> is there a standard way to clean out obselete files in /var/cache/apt/archives ?
[07:51] <crimsun> SteveA: sudo aptitude autoclean
[07:51] <SteveA> ta
[07:51] <bartas> done
[07:51] <crimsun> SteveA: (or sudo apt-get autoclean, ...)
[07:52] <icerogue> Is this a proper line in a crontab? [30 18 * * * php -r "header('Location: http://dynamicdns.park-your-domain.com/update?host=myip&domain=khkiota.org&password=7F47C9F9-C9F4-4B36-B2C5-B5973FC4***');"] 
[07:52] <gt500> linuxn00b, when it's done
[07:52] <gt500> :p
[07:53] <linuxn00b> :p
[07:54] <gt500> icerogue, i do'ntsee anything wrong ...
[07:54] <gt500> don't*
[07:54] <occy> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/230916
[07:54] <icerogue> i wasnt sure if i was write on the time format
[07:54] <icerogue> *right
[07:54] <gt500> w8
[07:55] <gt500> i'll have a look
[07:55] <icerogue> it should be every day at 6:30pm
[07:55] <bartas> crimsun: see something wrong? Being honest , i don;t
[07:56] <icerogue> |QuaD-: thanks for all the help
[07:57] <njs12345> woot woot woot
[07:57] <njs12345> new ATI drivers!
[07:57] <mjr> whee, new binary blobs
[07:58] <gt500> icerogue, it's good :)
[07:58] <gt500> new ati drivers , where ? :D
[07:58] <gt500> :p
[07:58] <gt500> ati.com prolly
[07:58] <gt500> :p
[07:58] <njs12345> http://www.ati.com/support/driver.html
[07:58] <njs12345> and.. they support X.org!
[07:58] <icerogue> thanks for checking
[07:58] <njs12345> it feels like christmas has come.. terribly terribly late
[07:58] <gt500> icerogue,  you didn't specify a user ..
[07:59] <icerogue> i created it with an admin acct using crontab -e
[07:59] <Dko> Hi im not the most learned at ubuntu(or any linux) But I was wondering what packages would I have to install to get gcc to work and maybe any other instalation instructions you might need to tell me?  I know how to use the package manager so im good on that.
[07:59] <gt500> ow , k :)
[07:59] <icerogue> that should work right?
[08:00] <gt500> icerogue, yeah
[08:00] <njs12345> icerogue: try installing gcc-3.3 or gcc-3.4
[08:00] <occy> Dko: build-essential
[08:00] <occy> Dko: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:00] <gt500> Dko, gcc, gcc3.3/3.4, g++, g++3.33.4
[08:00] <icerogue> Dko: sudo apt-get install gcc
[08:00] <gt500> occy, works too :p
[08:00] <icerogue> whats the 3.33.4?
[08:01] <gt500> forgot a / :p
[08:01] <gt500> Dko, gcc, gcc3.3/3.4, g++, g++3.3/3.4
[08:01] <crimsun> bartas: your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is a mess.
[08:01] <gt500> but what occy said is better
[08:01] <icerogue> gt500: what is the 3/3.4?
[08:01] <bartas> ok, but it's default
[08:01] <occy> Dko: also... a cool tip is...      if you want to compile an application, you can do:   apt-get build-dep  APPLICATION
[08:01] <icerogue> version?
[08:01] <occy> Dko: what do you want to compile?
[08:01] <crimsun> bartas: first, you should comment out dri, drm, and glcore
[08:02] <crimsun> bartas: next, are you _positive_ your screen can handle 1600x1280?
[08:02] <njs12345> if you want to develop applications based off anything other than the std library, you want to install the *-dev packages for the library
[08:02] <gt500> icerogue, there's a version 3.3 and a version 3.4 , so you can choose which one you install
[08:02] <Dko> Just some mud source code I dled and wanted to mess with
[08:02] <bartas> sht...My bad, i forgot to do this, - but was almost sure that apt will do this...
[08:02] <bartas> sure it can handle....Under w2k3 does
[08:02] <icerogue> gt500: whats the default with apt-get?
[08:02] <occy> Dko: ahh
[08:02] <bartas> under FEdoraCore1,2,3 also
[08:02] <bartas> so...
[08:02] <njs12345> for instance, you need libgtk2.0-dev if you want to develop GTK apps
[08:02] <gt500> 3.3
[08:02] <occy> Dko: yeah, just do:   apt-get install build-essential
[08:03] <bartas> it can handle 1600x1280 A 75 HZ
[08:03] <gt500> in synaptics you can choose to install 3.4 ??
[08:03] <gt500> ?? = ..
[08:03] <gt500> :p
[08:03] <njs12345> although I'd reccomend 3.4 - I've had no problems with it
[08:04] <skippy> is there a web interface to the Ubuntu package collection a la packages.debian.org ?
[08:04] <Dko> If the code comes with a make file would you recomend me using that just to quickly compile the code?
[08:04] <crimsun> bartas: do you have a Modeline for it?
[08:04] <crimsun> bartas: and you also need to specify Option "IgnoreEDID" "true"
[08:05] <bartas> 1. I do. 2. I will.
[08:06] <crimsun> bartas: in which Section did you place the Modeline?
[08:06] <TTilus> skippy: packages.debian.org ?
[08:06] <njs12345> is there a reason why x-window-system-core is being held back?
[08:06] <njs12345> I'm running hoary
[08:06] <skippy> TTilus: packages.debian.org lets me search for packages online.
[08:06] <bartas> Screen, substecion display
[08:06] <icerogue> man i love linux, i have a complete mail/http/ftp/ssh server and it only took 887MB
[08:06] <njs12345> and I'd like to upgrade to xorg as soon as possible
[08:06] <gt500> skippy, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[08:06] <skippy> My wife uses Ubuntu, not me, and I'd like to be able to see what packages are available to her
[08:06] <skippy> ah!
[08:06] <skippy> thanks!
[08:07] <bartas> wrong?
[08:07] <gt500> skippy, why a web interface ? Use Synaptcs ...
[08:07] <gt500> Synaptics*
[08:08] <skippy> gt500: because I don't use Ubuntu, and would like to see what's available from anywhere I might be
[08:08] <Chongo> hi, would it be possible to ask a question about installing a network card here?
[08:08] <icerogue> skippy: what do you use?
[08:08] <Dko> I guess the make file isn't gona work.  *Watches error after error slide down his console window* @_@
[08:08] <neofeed> hey kids. is there a way to install KDE on ubuntu - not that I would want to. But the nut who's going to do the linux work group at school put up the requirement to have kde.
[08:08] <njs12345> Chongo: yes
[08:08] <crimsun> bartas: it goes in Section "Monitor"
[08:08] <skippy> icerogue: I use Debian; but I don't use Synapitc.
[08:08] <njs12345> neofeed: yes
[08:08] <gt500> Chongo, just ask ;)
[08:08] <neofeed> I don't care if it's cripled or somethin.
[08:08] <njs12345> it's in the universe repos and all, so it's not officially supported
[08:09] <Chongo> i've just installed ubuntu for a friend, a we've got a network card subsequently, but i'm not sure how to install a driver for it
[08:09] <ZzeCoOl> hey guys plz i have a problem
[08:09] <Chongo> i've never used linux before :)
[08:09] <ZzeCoOl> i have installed windows and now cant boot linux
[08:09] <linuxn00b> anyone here play battle for wesnoth?
[08:09] <ZzeCoOl> any clue?
[08:09] <Chongo> i've set up an ethernet connection, but it says the network card is unknown in the device manager
[08:09] <njs12345> Chongo: what network card is it?
[08:09] <ZzeCoOl> how can i reinstall grub?
[08:09] <no0tic> ZzeCoOl: you have to boot from a liveCD and reinstall grub
[08:09] <Heinz> hi all
[08:09] <icerogue>  ZzeCoOl: yeah windows overwote your mba
[08:10] <Heinz> first time in ubuntus like server
[08:10] <Heinz> nice .. ;)
[08:10] <ZzeCoOl> no0tic i tryied the ubuntu guide
[08:10] <Chongo> its a pcmcia card, the device manager says the vendor is honeywell
[08:10] <ZzeCoOl> but didnt work
[08:10] <Chongo> and the OEM Vendor is Radisys Corp?
[08:10] <ZzeCoOl> cause my linux is in a diff hard drive than windows
[08:10] <Chongo> the box says it works with linux
[08:10] <ZzeCoOl> and i dont know what to change to the commands
[08:11] <bartas> hm...have't done like this yet...
[08:11] <Chongo> is there some kind of configuration tool i need to run for pcmcia devices?
[08:11] <Chongo> to detect it?
[08:11] <bartas> is it special for debian/ubuntu
[08:11] <bartas> ?
[08:11] <gt500> Chongo, was the network card in the pc when you installed Ubuntu ?
[08:11] <Chongo> no
[08:11] <ZzeCoOl> anyone who know how to but linux again (install grup)plz msg me
[08:11] <ZzeCoOl> plz
[08:11] <crimsun> bartas: no, standard.
[08:11] <Chongo> we bought it just now from the university shop
[08:11] <ZzeCoOl> <---- begger
[08:11] <ZzeCoOl> :D
[08:12] <Chongo> it has a floppy disc with it, supposedly with drivers on, but neither of us has a floppy drive, and the guy said that linux would have the drivers we needed
[08:12] <Riddell> neofeed: yes, you can install KDE from the universe repository, KDE 3.2, KDE 3.3
[08:13] <Riddell> 3.2 in warty, 3.3 in hoary
[08:13] <neofeed> oka
[08:13] <gt500> Chongo, reinstall Ubuntu :p
[08:13] <Chongo> there's no other way to add new hardware!?
[08:13] <bartas> crimsun: sorry , maybe it looks stupid for you :-), but i didn't have to do it in RH, FEDORA, MDK, Gentoo....
[08:13] <skippy> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kino/  <-- shows Kino, but `apt-get install kino` can't find the package.
[08:14] <bartas> crimsun: so that;s why asking...;-) but thanks, i'll try .
[08:14] <gt500> Chongo, i think there is , via modprobe
[08:14] <gt500> i think ..
[08:14] <TTilus> Chongo: first shot, just put the card in and reboot, see what happens
[08:14] <Chongo> tried that
[08:15] <gt500> idd TTilus
[08:15] <gt500> :p
[08:15] <gt500> hmm :/
[08:15] <TTilus> Chongo: and didn't work i guess  :)
[08:15] <Chongo> it doesn't detect anything - just has an 'Unknown (0x8139) entry in the device manager
[08:15] <Chongo> under the PCMCIA bus
[08:15] <TTilus> Chongo: ok, PCMCIA bus is fine, that's a step
[08:16] <bartas> crimsun: thanx, going check if it's worked...
[08:16] <TTilus> Chongo: now you only need to find out correct drivers
[08:16] <Chongo> everything in the machine seems to be installed fine, just don't know how to add a driver / scan for new hardware :)
[08:16] <[Phaedrus] > ZzeCoOl: install grub you mean?
[08:16] <TTilus> Chongo: i guess you have the make and model of card at hand?
[08:16] <Heinz> hi .. where can i find something like boot.local, or rc.local in ubuntu? (want to add some iptables rules when the server starts)
[08:16] <gt500> TTilus, they havethe drivers , but they don't have a floppy drive ...
[08:17] <gt500> Chongo, reinstall , it doesn't take that long ..
[08:17] <gt500> :p
[08:17] <linuxboy> Chongo: dont reinstall
[08:17] <TTilus> gt500: yes i know that
[08:17] <ZzeCoOl> does anyone know how i can reinstall grup?
[08:17] <gt500> or ...
[08:17] <gt500> add module in your kernel
[08:17] <Chongo> the box is really unhelpful, it says '100/10 Mbps Fast Ethernet Cardbys Adapter'
[08:17] <TTilus> Chongo: just check out the make and model and report here
[08:17] <linuxboy> Chongo: debian never needs to be re-installed
[08:17] <Necrosan> how do you put files on an ipod mini from linux?
[08:17] <Chongo> but
[08:17] <linuxboy> ZzeCoOl: grub-install
[08:17] <Necrosan> its plugged in via usb
[08:17] <TTilus> Chongo: :D
[08:17] <Chongo> the device manager says the vendor is Honeywell
[08:18] <gt500> Necrosan, you can't ...
[08:18] <Chongo> and the OEM Vendor is Radisys Corp?
[08:18] <Necrosan> gt500: are you serious?
[08:18] <TTilus> linuxboy: unless you really blow it up
[08:18] <gt500> iPod is for Windows & Mac Only ...
[08:18] <gt500> you mean mp3's ?
[08:18] <Necrosan> uh
[08:18] <gt500> or just files ?
[08:18] <gt500> liek a portable hd?
[08:18] <gt500> like*
[08:18] <Necrosan> I've heard you can put mp3s on it
[08:18] <TTilus> linuxboy: i once got lib6 corrupted  :-/
[08:18] <Dko> Would anyone be so kind as to help we figure out how to get this code I get to compile? I get a whole lot of warrnings and errors.
[08:18] <linuxboy> TTilus: what did Chongo do?
[08:19] <Dko> *I got
[08:19] <gt500> Dko, paste log pm ;)
[08:19] <Chongo> huh?
[08:19] <gt500> Necrosan, where did you here that ?
[08:19] <Dko> How would I do that?
[08:19] <bj_> OMG I just discovered the wonders of VNC
[08:19] <TTilus> Chongo: nothing else?  radisys cardbus eth adapter?
[08:19] <Chongo> it says the vendor is honeywell - i'm looking on their site to see if there's a model number or something
[08:19] <skippy> How can I install Kino onto Ubuntu?
[08:19] <linuxboy> Necrosan: i think there are programs for ipods
[08:19] <Necrosan> http://people.csail.mit.edu/people/adonovan/hacks/ipod.html
[08:19] <Dko> I don't wana paste all theses errors on screen. >_>  Youd all kill me.
[08:19] <Chongo> the box does have linux support specifically on it though
[08:20] <TTilus> Chongo: does the card have any mysterious numbers printed on it?
[08:20] <Hwolf> dko: #flood
[08:20] <gt500> Necrosan, http://armin.emx.at/ipod/
[08:20] <gt500> maybe that will help :)
[08:20] <Chongo> its got a serial number
[08:20] <lizardking> some help for me?
[08:20] <gt500> Necrosan, http://people.csail.mit.edu/people/adonovan/hacks/ipod.html
[08:20] <gt500> just google ...
[08:20] <gt500> you'll find
[08:20] <gt500> :)
[08:20] <navik> read about this at the ubuntulinux.org, so this is a debian clone?
[08:21] <Chongo> S/N AKE1409002519
[08:21] <Hwolf> navik: based on debian, but vastly friendlier.
[08:21] <zenrox> navik,  no its debian on crack
[08:21] <TTilus> navik: based on, not exactly clone
[08:21] <Chongo> P/N: 18-0D-F401
[08:21] <lizardking> some help for me?
[08:21] <gt500> lizardking, just ask your question
[08:21] <gt500> ;)
[08:22] <Dko> Umm how do I use this #flood?  Like I said im fairly new to linux.
[08:22] <TTilus> zenrox: more like debian with wax and nail polish  :)
[08:22] <lizardking> ok plase gt500 read this
[08:22] <navik> so there are a wast usage of ubuntu I see... nice
[08:22] <zenrox> TTilus,  hehehehe
[08:22] <lizardking> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11782
[08:22] <navik> maybe try it some day...
[08:23] <zenrox> navik,  d/l the live cd and try it
[08:23] <Chongo> Ttilus: have you got any clues dude? the site seems to be in polish, which is extremely helpful :)
[08:23] <TTilus> Chongo: this cutie?  http://www.burtoncomputers.co.uk/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductID=2571
[08:23] <navik> zenrox: maybe I should! thanx for the tip...
[08:23] <zenrox> hehehe
[08:23] <Chongo> Ttilus: looks a bit like that
[08:23] <lizardking> gt500 did u read?
[08:23] <Hwolf> crimsun?
[08:23] <Chongo> ttilus: sticker is different, but looks the same
[08:25] <lizardking> I have reinstalled Nautilus and now my launcher in "Applications" are not there.
[08:25] <lizardking> if I make
[08:25] <lizardking> [CODE] nautilus applications:///[/CODE] 
[08:25] <lizardking> I saw my launcher but the system doesn't want to display in the bar.
[08:25] <lizardking> How can I do?
[08:25] <lizardking> thnx  :confused:
[08:25] <gt500> lizardking, right mouse click your panel ?
[08:26] <lizardking> i'm using warty but i have taken only gaim 1.1.1 from hoary.
[08:26] <lizardking> Yes i have reinstalled Nautilus.
[08:26] <lizardking> All works but i cannot make NEW launcher in Applications and my old launcher cannot be displayed even ther are in nautilus applications:///
[08:26] <lizardking> idem
[08:26] <lizardking> right click creat icons in nautilus application:/// but not display it
[08:26] <Dko> Well Ill just post a few of the errors and warrnings.  They are all very simmilar.
[08:26] <Dko> mud.h:6996: error: stray '\4' in program
[08:26] <Dko> mud.h:6996:138: warning: null character(s) ignored
[08:26] <Dko> mud.h:6996: error: stray '\32' in program
[08:26] <Dko> mud.h:6996: error: syntax error at '@' token
[08:27] <funkyhat_food> why isn't apache serving index.php and forwarding to /apache2-default instead?
[08:27] <randabis-laptop> flood whore
[08:27] <zenrox> lol
[08:27] <Chongo> Ttilus: I could use one of the computers in the computer room to check out the floppy disc - will that have any more info on?
[08:28] <Dko> Anyone? A little help please? ><
[08:28] <[Phaedrus] > Dko, what are you compiling?
[08:28] <Arkainium> i installed warty on my laptop, which i have connected to a kvm, so i pretty much leave it on all day.  i noticed that once in a while it'll lock up while idle.  I'd come back, no keys work, nothing.  I'm using the open source radeon driver, so i'm not sure what could be the cause.
[08:30] <Arkainium> also, i can't understand why there's disk activity around every 10 seconds.  i'd like my hd to go to sleep when it's idle.
[08:30] <lizardking> someone can help me with nautilus?
[08:30] <TTilus> Chongo: that would propably help
[08:31] <Chongo> TTilus: OK - I'll let you know in a minute? Thanks loads dude!
[08:31] <TTilus> Chongo: i didnt find anything useful from www.radisys.com using the information available
[08:31] <Dko> Im compileing a smaug code base
[08:31] <Tuxicity> lizardking, basically, your Applications menu has disappeared, right?
[08:32] <sri_> -+
[08:32] <Tuxicity> lizardking, but shows up in Nautilus applications://
[08:32] <AndyFitz> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/etiquette-icons.tar.gz
[08:33] <AndyFitz> -- still adding the artwork together to form the them.  should be good to use in its current state tho
[08:34] <TTilus> lizardking: i recall having the same problem but can't remember how i got around it  :-/
[08:34] <Chongo> TTilus: The driver on the disc is in a folder called Red Hat 6.2, and says its for the 2.2 kernel - it does however say that the driver used is rtl8139.c
[08:34] <Tuxicity> lizardking, if Im right, somebody had this same problem yesterday and someone (some guru) gave him a command that fixed it
[08:34] <lizardking> tuxcity no wait
[08:35] <lizardking> my icons in applications are disappares
[08:35] <lizardking> the menu is there
[08:35] <TTilus> Chongo: that's it, you have plain standard realtek chipset
[08:35] <Dko> Not enough Info about the code im trying to compile?
[08:35] <TTilus> Chongo: modprobe rtl8139
[08:35] <TTilus> sorry
[08:35] <TTilus> Chongo: sudo modprobe rtl8139
[08:35] <Chongo> TTilus: where do i run modprobe from?
[08:35] <TTilus> chand: what does it say
[08:36] <Chongo> TTilus: does it have to be a specific directory?
[08:36] <jmhodges> anyone else seeing that gtk-gnutella is borked in hoary?
[08:36] <TTilus> Chongo: where ever you feel like
[08:36] <jmhodges> not installing any binaries
[08:36] <TTilus> Chongo: it know where to find modules
[08:36] <Bort-> quick question, I read somewhere that you could upgrade to Hoary, so I changed the names from warty to hoary in sources, ran apt-get update, then upgrade. Upon the update and reboot I didn't notice that gnome or anything was really updated. Any idea what I may be doing wrong?
[08:36] <Chongo> TTilus: oh, and then those configure the device?
[08:36] <CaPS_> hello
[08:36] <CaPS_> anyone here ever use ldap ?
[08:37] <gt500> Chongo, indeed :p
[08:37] <gt500> liek i told ya :p
[08:37] <Tuxicity> jmhodges, Ive installed the .deb from gtk-gnutella website and it works fine (on Warty though)
[08:37] <gt500> modprobe :D
[08:37] <jmhodges> Tuxicity: interesting.. thanks
[08:37] <Chongo> that's good stuff
[08:37] <Chongo> is modprobe a normal thing?
[08:37] <TTilus> Chongo: configure?  no, modprobe loads kernel module for the card
[08:38] <Chongo> oh, so how does it know which device to assign it to, what if i had two the same? or two different cards?
[08:38] <TTilus> Chango: define normal
[08:38] <Bort-> any idea?
[08:38] <gt500> Chongo, when you've don modprobe , just configure the device via network-admin
[08:38] <Chongo> TTilus: as in something which you normally do in linux for this sort of thing
[08:38] <TTilus> Chango: then you would have to give some parameters at load time to have it behave expectedly
[08:39] <Dko> Is there a better place I can go for compiling info?
[08:39] <Tuxicity> Bort-, how to update to Hoary is explained on the Wiki I believe
[08:40] <Dko> I starting to think if I talked to my self I would get more of a response.
[08:40] <Bort-> Yes, I looked. I changed the sources to hoary, and ran apt-get upgrade. Do I have to use aptitude or synaptic to update though?
[08:40] <Chongo> TTilus: hmm, it says 'FATAL: Module rtl8139 not found'
[08:40] <will> does anyone hereuse any backports from hoary to warty?
[08:40] <TTilus> Chongo: too bad
[08:41] <TTilus> Chongo: what says uname -r
[08:42] <bruce583> does anyone know why my computer won't play cd's
[08:42] <Chongo> TTilus: 2.6.8.1-3-386
[08:42] <borgista> you probably haven't set it up.
[08:42] <borgista> they usually pop up automatically .
[08:42] <bruce583> how do i do that
[08:42] <bruce583> it comes up, no sound
[08:42] <borgista> what do you use to play music?
[08:43] <borgista> do you have sound in general?
[08:43] <bruce583> i have realplayer, totem, xmms, none play sound
[08:43] <jatos> hi
[08:43] <bruce583> yeah
[08:43] <bruce583> for mp3 downloads
[08:43] <borgista> then you're problem is making the sound card work.
[08:43] <jatos> how much does it cost ubuntu to ship the cd's?
[08:43] <borgista> what's your soundcard?
[08:43] <TTilus> Chongo: ummm... strange
[08:43] <bruce583> i don't know
[08:43] <bruce583> let me look
[08:44] <Chongo> TTilus: ? :-)
[08:44] <borgista> you have to download the sources and headers for your kernel. then download the alsa drivers, libs, and utils and install them.
[08:44] <TTilus> Chongo: i would have expected that stock kernels contain pretty much every driver available
[08:44] <borgista> then run $sudo alsaconf
[08:44] <borgista> then $ alsamixer
[08:44] <borgista> i had the same problem with my AudigyLS card.
[08:44] <TTilus> Chongo: hay, try  locate 8139
[08:44] <TTilus> does it show anything?
[08:45] <crimsun> bruce583: what sound chipset?
[08:45] <borgista> he doesn't even know the soundcard.
[08:45] <borgista> i doubt he knows the chipset.
[08:45] <Chongo> TTilus: 'warning: locate could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory'
[08:46] <TTilus> Chongo: uhh
[08:46] <TTilus> Chongo: sudo updatedb
[08:46] <crimsun> ubuntu includes alsa by default, so there's no need to recompile all that
[08:46] <borgista> I had to recompile my alsa.
[08:46] <borgista> Because my card requires newer drivers.
[08:46] <borgista> at least 1.0.7
[08:46] <borgista> at least.
[08:47] <borgista> So some other cards might need that too.
[08:47] <crimsun> you just needed alsa-driver, not alsa-driver+alsa-lib+alsa-utils
[08:47] <TTilus> Chongo: then again the prev
[08:47] <borgista> well, you're right there.
[08:48] <Chongo> TTilus: I've started updatedb, and its working on something - gives the same error as the locate thing though, whats again the prev?
[08:49] <Chongo> TTilus: do you mean do the locate thing again?
[08:50] <TTilus> Chongo: y
[08:50] <TTilus> Chongo: the same error?
[08:50] <Chongo> TTilus: ah: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/drivers/net/8139cp.ko and the same address/8139too.ko
[08:51] <TTilus> Chongo: now first try sudo modprobe 8139cp
[08:51] <TTilus> Chongo: then the other
[08:51] <TTilus> Chongo: ...if the first failed...
[08:52] <Chongo> TTilus: i did the cp one, and it didn't give an error message
[08:52] <Chongo> TTilus: how do i know if it worked?
[08:52] <TTilus> Chongo: it did not say "failed", that's how  :)
[08:53] <TTilus> Chongo: now check sudo lsmod | grep 8139
[08:53] <TTilus> Chongo: if it shows the module, it's loaded and workin and you should now have interface eth0 available to configure
[08:54] <Chongo> TTilus: err, it has three things, 8139cp, mii, and crc32
[08:54] <TTilus> Chongo: sounds like correct
[08:54] <Chongo> TTilus: the device manager still says 'Unknown'
[08:55] <TTilus> Chongo: don't be bothered, it'll keep saying "unknown" and it really doesn't matter
[08:55] <TTilus> :)
[08:56] <Chongo> TTilus: i configured a network connection in the 'Network Settings' thing before we did all this
[08:56] <Chongo> TTilus: does that mean that it was already installed automagically, or that i need to delete that and set up another one?
[08:56] <TTilus> Chongo: propably not
[08:57] <TTilus> Chongo: do you have a correct configuration?
[08:58] <TTilus> Chongo: network conf...
[08:58] <TTilus> Chongo: what says grep iface /etc/network/interfaces ?
[08:59] <TTilus> Chongo: it should print out only a couple of lines, paste them here
[08:59] <Chongo> TTilus: erm, 'iface lo inet loopback, iface eth0 inet dhcp'
[09:00] <funkyhat> do i need mySQL client binaries to access mySQL with php?
[09:00] <TTilus> Chongo: separate lines, aren't they?
[09:00] <TTilus> Chongo: if, it looks good
[09:00] <Chongo> TTilus: yeah
[09:01] <TTilus> Chongo: now one more
[09:01] <TTilus> Chongo: cat /proc/net/dev | awk '{print $1}'
[09:01] <TTilus> Chongo: just to make sure you have the needed interfaces (and the driver really is working)
[09:02] <zido> is there any X DC client for Linux?
[09:02] <TTilus> Chongo: /proc/net/dev is virtual file holding description of network interfaces available
[09:02] <Chongo> TTilus: Inter - | next line face next line lo:35430047 next line sit0:
[09:03] <TTilus> ah, interface name is "sit0"
[09:03] <lizardking> some help for me with nautilus?
[09:04] <TTilus> "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in your /etc/network/interfaces should read "iface sit0 inet dhcp"
[09:04] <lizardking> please read this
[09:04] <lizardking> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11782
[09:05] <netmonk> can someone help me, pls. I'm trying to install firefox 1.0 in Ubuntu but the firefox-installer shell script doesn't seem to do anything, pls, help!
[09:05] <Tuxicity> netmonk, install fireofx 1.0 from Ubuntu Backports
[09:06] <Chongo> TTilus: can i change it using gedit? also, there's something that says 'auto eth0' below it
[09:06] <lizardking> please read this
[09:06] <lizardking> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11782
[09:07] <netmonk> Tuxicity, how?
[09:07] <TTilus> Chongo: yes you can, you gotta have root privileges to do that though
[09:07] <Tuxicity> netmonk, add their repository to Synaptic
[09:08] <netmonk> Tuxicity, where can I find the address
[09:08] <funkyhat> Chongo: i would suggest using synaptic package manager, but for some reason they only have .9 :S
[09:08] <TTilus> Chongo: auto statement defines the interfaces which should be brought up automatically upon boot
[09:08] <Tuxicity> netmonk, one sec...
[09:08] <jaco> netmonk: check where the simlink point
[09:09] <Chongo> TTilus: so i would want to change that to sit0 too?
[09:09] <netmonk> jaco, how?
[09:09] <jaco> netmonk: have u installed firefox? i'm sure yes
[09:09] <Chongo> TTilus: what causes this sit0 thing anyway?
[09:09] <Chongo> :_)
[09:09] <tong> I'm new here. Just pop in and say hi.
[09:09] <jaco> now u have firefox in a directory
[09:09] <jaco> so your problem is that the old link point to mozilla...
[09:09] <tong> I might choose ubuntu for my AMD64 someday.
[09:09] <funkyhat> sorry chongo, my message was supposed to be to netmonk
[09:10] <Tuxicity> netmonk, URI:  http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/
[09:10] <jaco> so u has to check where the old link point and change it
[09:10] <TTilus> Chongo: define "sit0 thing"
[09:10] <Tuxicity> netmonk, Distribution:  warty-backports
[09:10] <Tuxicity> netmonk, Sections:  main universe
[09:10] <netmonk> thanks
[09:10] <Tuxicity> netmonk, np
[09:10] <tong> any1 with good experience with ASUS K8V mobo?
[09:11] <jaco> or u can do as Tuxicity says and this will do the hard job for u
[09:11] <tong> with VIA K8T800 chipset?
[09:11] <jaco> :)
[09:11] <Chongo> TTilus: well i don't understand what the difference between eth0 and sit0 is, why would it be different, is that because of the driver we installed?
[09:11] <TTilus> Chongo: if you mean the naming, pci ethernet adapters are usually named ethX
[09:11] <Tuxicity> jaco, ;)
[09:11] <Jamie_Bennett> tong: I'm using one now
[09:11] <Chongo> TTilus: k, and this one isn't?
[09:11] <TTilus> Chongo: remember, you did net confing before driver loading
[09:11] <tong> Really? great news to me.
[09:11] <TTilus> Chongo: configuration widget had to guess iface name
[09:11] <tong> everything working fine?
[09:11] <Jamie_Bennett> Yes
[09:12] <Jamie_Bennett> Everything
[09:12] <TTilus> Chongo: i remember you saying you had pcmcia adapter
[09:12] <Chongo> TTilus: i tried re-doing it though, afterwards, and it still chose eth0
[09:12] <tong> Great! I'm using debian testing currently. the sound and cdr don't work.
[09:12] <tong> That's really great. I'll give ubuntu a try
[09:12] <Chongo> TTilus: erm, do you know how i can edit this thing with root priviledges? (sorry to be tiresome! :-) )
[09:12] <tong> everthing work out of the box?
[09:12] <TTilus> Chongo: to be honest i don't know if pcmcia cards should produce interfaces named sitX...
[09:13] <tong> or you have to do something?
[09:13] <jaco> tong:  ubuntu has the best hardware recognition that i've saw
[09:13] <Jamie_Bennett> Only problem I had with the K8v was having to disable the onboard network in favor of a PCI network card but I was using a pre-release to install
[09:13] <jaco> and i ve worket with all the distribution of the world
[09:13] <jaco> :)
[09:13] <tong> k
[09:13] <TTilus> Chongo: xhost +
[09:13] <tong> Do you use on board sound?
[09:13] <TTilus> Chongo: then sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[09:14] <Jamie_Bennett> Yes
[09:14] <tong> great!
[09:14] <Jamie_Bennett> The onboard network problem was sorted out with kernel 2.6.8
[09:14] <jaco> so, what audio card u have?
[09:14] <jaco> what cdrom?
[09:14] <tong> ATAPI:0,0,0          SONY    , CD-RW  CRX195E1 , ZYS5
[09:15] <TTilus> Chongo: that xhost + totally disables x client authentication, so don't do it if you are online with the computer, but if im not completely wrong you aren't
[09:15] <tong> Generic SCSI-3/MMC says, Cannot retrieve drive capabilities mode page.
[09:15] <tong> on board sound.
[09:15] <tong> on board sound. @ jaco
[09:15] <Chongo> TTilus: no not now, so i just swap eth0 for sit0 in both thingies and save it?
[09:16] <TTilus> if you do sudo gedit without tuning x connection settings, a different user trying to connect to your x is of course blocked
[09:16] <jaco> can u try a mount from a terminal tong ?
[09:16] <tong> try a mount?
[09:16] <TTilus> Chongo: y
[09:16] <tong> what do you mean?
[09:16] <jaco> open a terminal and write mount
[09:16] <jaco> and write here the result
[09:16] <tong> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[09:16] <tong> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[09:16] <tong> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[09:17] <tong>  /dev/sda6 on / type reiserfs (rw,notail)
[09:17] <TTilus> Chongo: umm... will you always be online when booting up your laptop?
[09:17] <tong> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[09:17] <Chongo> TTilus: yeah, it will be always online
[09:17] <TTilus> Chongo: if not you propably should take away that auto-line
[09:17] <TTilus> Chongo: ah, then it's OK
[09:17] <tong> want my lsmod?
[09:17] <Chongo> TTilus: oh
[09:17] <jaco> put a cd inside and write mount again
[09:17] <Chongo> TTilus: well it will be most of the time, i guess if he takes it to a library or something it won't
[09:18] <occy> crimsun: did you ever check out my pastebin?
[09:18] <occy> crimsun: you were helping the other guy... so I thought I'd wait. ;)
[09:18] <Chongo> TTilus: if i take it out, will he have to do something every time he wants to connect?
[09:18] <jaco> have u a link named cdrom in /media ?
[09:19] <TTilus> Chongo: when not online fetching ip from dhcp timeouts, nothing special is needed, but it just takes extra 30 sec or so during bootup
[09:19] <TTilus> Chongo: can be really annoying...
[09:19] <TTilus> Chongo: if you have saved /etc/network/interfaces plug it in and
[09:19] <TTilus> sudo ifdown -a
[09:20] <TTilus> sudo ifup -a
[09:20] <occy> bbiab, baby woke up.
[09:20] <TTilus> Chongo: the first is not actually needed, only making sure that places are clear
[09:21] <TTilus> Chongo: ifup and ifdown bring network interfaces up and down
[09:21] <Cindux> hey all
[09:22] <TTilus> Chongo: -a tells it to (de)configure all the interfaces
[09:22] <Chongo> TTilus: ok, so kinda like ipconfig in windows
[09:22] <TTilus> Chongo: man ifup and man ifdown for more
[09:22] <Chongo> TTilus: he won't be able to get an ip address yet, because we'll need to register has MAC address with the server
[09:22] <TTilus> Chongo: no, actually the ipconfig counterpart lies in the background
[09:23] <Chongo> TTilus: is there a way of finding that out?
[09:23] <Chongo> TTilus: ooh, the dhcp thingy says 'sit0: unknown hardware address type 776'
[09:23] <TTilus> Chongo: ifup and ifdown are frontends which can be configured to pretty much anything upon interface start or shutdown
[09:24] <tong> @jaco, thank you for trying to find a fix for me. Maybe it is better for me to introduce my situation a bit first. so we could cut to the chase.
[09:24] <tong> I've been using Linux for many years.
[09:25] <tong> that same SONY CDROM has been working for me before, in another MOBO, in the same Debian testing env.
[09:25] <tong> I've got it working with cdrecord current.
[09:25] <tong> cdrdao can do a read, but failed at write.
[09:25] <tong> It is a know issue.
[09:25] <tong> see http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=2&threadid=179542
[09:26] <TTilus> Chongo: ouch!
[09:26] <netmonk> for some reason i don't seem to able to execute executable files on my ububntu powerpc edition, any ideas why?
[09:26] <jaco> ok, sorry, i've understood your situation now, is more complex than what i thought
[09:26] <jaco> i can't help u
[09:26] <Zcalot> Hello
[09:26] <Zcalot> I have a question about ubuntu
[09:26] <tong> thanks for the offer anyway.
[09:27] <Tuxicity> Zcalot, ask
[09:27] <tong> I think I'll give ubuntu a try.
[09:27] <Simira> Zcalot: you're in the right place then
[09:27] <Zcalot> I wonder if you can play half life 2 and counter strike source with it?
[09:27] <Cindux> I have a question for Ubuntu to
[09:27] <Tuxicity> Cindux, just ask
[09:27] <Cindux> I'm trying to burn the image onto a CD but I get this
[09:28] <Chongo> TTilus: so do you think that this card is working, or is there something wrong?
[09:28] <Cindux> lol ..
[09:28] <Cindux> one sec
[09:28] <tong> :-)
[09:28] <Cindux> ah
[09:28] <Cindux> K In Nero
[09:28] <jaco> i'll come back
[09:28] <Cindux> I select the .iso file to burn
[09:28] <Cindux> and it says
[09:28] <jaco> see u later
[09:28] <jaco> bye
[09:29] <Cindux> fuck
[09:29] <Cindux> :9
[09:29] <tong> better that I didn't said that I was holding my breath. :-)
[09:29] <apply> Is there a more specific hoary channel?
[09:29] <tong> bye jaco
[09:29] <TTilus> Chongo: try the other driver module
[09:29] <TTilus> Chongo: rmmod removes modules
[09:29] <TTilus> Chongo: sudo rmmod 8139pc
[09:29] <Tuxicity> Zcalot, I think somebody was having trouble with HL2 in Hoary yesterday... but youd have tp try
[09:29] <TTilus> Chongo: sudo modprobe 8139too
[09:30] <Zcalot> ok.
[09:30] <Zcalot> And is it goodfor a beginner?
[09:30] <Tuxicity> Zcalot, what?
[09:30] <Zcalot> ubuntu good for a beginner like me?
[09:31] <Tuxicity> Zcalot, yes
[09:31] <Zcalot> ok.
[09:31] <Zcalot> Is there any screen that i can look at? ;D
[09:31] <Zcalot> screens*
[09:31] <Zcalot> :)
[09:31] <Bwl> Anyone tried dmraid for ATARAID in 2.6?
[09:32] <Chongo> TTilus: ok
[09:32] <Quazor> ew
[09:32] <Cindux> bla
[09:32] <Zcalot> Another question.
[09:32] <Tuxicity> Zcalot, there are some on the web, somewhere..
[09:32] <Zcalot> Does it support my motherboard abit uguru?
[09:32] <nyxx> is there a graphic cdrecording app in the livecd that I'm completely missing? I see the commandline cdrecord is there but I need to burn some random files
[09:32] <felixdz> I am having trouble with skype
[09:32] <felixdz> The person on the other end is hearing my voice twice
[09:33] <Cindux> its an echo :D
[09:33] <Cindux> lo
[09:33] <mjr> nyxx, nautilus-cd-burner
[09:33] <Tuxicity> Cindux, Nero says bla?
[09:33] <Cindux> uh sorry
[09:33] <Cindux> An error msg is popping up
[09:33] <felixdz> Wrong the party on the other end hears herself twice
[09:33] <Cindux> but whenever I try to read it it seems to disspear
[09:33] <felixdz> Any ideas?
[09:34] <Chongo> TTilus: did a search for sit0 and it says 'sit stands for "simple internet transition" and is bassically a device
[09:34] <Chongo> capable of encapsulating ipv6 in ipv4 datagrams.'?
[09:34] <TTilus> Chongo: just to warn you, i might be idling in a while
[09:34] <Tuxicity> Cindux, Nero is a Linux app...
[09:34] <Cindux> ug
[09:34] <Tuxicity> Cindux, Nero is *NOT* a Linux app...
[09:34] <Cindux> Long story short I'm new to linxu sept for using 2-3 distros
[09:34] <TTilus> Chongo: ah, that explains a lot  :)
[09:34] <Cindux> I burn live cds from a windows PC
[09:34] <Cindux> with Nero.
[09:34] <Chongo> TTilus: k - well there was no error when i did the mod thing
[09:34] <TTilus> Chongo: some other module generates that, the previous wasnt working...  :)
[09:35] <Chongo> TTilus: ok
[09:35] <tong> ah, windows, I lost the interest.
[09:35] <Chongo> TTilus: so what do you recommend - should i remove the thing i put in the interfaces file?
[09:35] <TTilus> Chongo: afaik modules loaded without errors and showing in lsmod are working, but this wasn't... :-/
[09:35] <nyxx> mjr, thanks! Kinda odd it was absent from the menus but it's running now
[09:35] <Zcalot> Does it support my motherboard. abit uguru?
[09:35] <TTilus> Chongo: change it back to eth0
[09:36] <TTilus> Chongo: sit0 -> eth0
[09:36] <TTilus> then sudo rmmod 8139pc
[09:36] <TTilus> and so on
[09:36] <mjr> nyxx, it's available from all nautilus windows
[09:36] <tong> ubuntu gurus, I have a question.
[09:36] <TTilus> then check if module appears in lsmod and interface in /proc/net/dev
[09:37] <Cindux> The entered block size does not corrospond with the image length. The block size may be wrong, do you want to correct the problem.
[09:37] <Cindux> correct the value*
[09:37] <Chongo> TTilus: i already did that for that and did the other for 8139too
[09:37] <Guardiann> good afternoon fellows
[09:37] <tong> how do you feel about the ubuntu build on top of unstable debian?
[09:37] <Chongo> TTilus: should i remove 8139too
[09:37] <GammaRay1> would someone please ping 147.144.1.2 for me? I can't get through myself...
[09:37] <Chongo> TTilus: and reinstall 8139cp?
[09:37] <tong> I was hoping to find something that build on top of testing.
[09:38] <Tuxicity> Guardiann, hey:)
[09:38] <TTilus> Chongo: uh, no,
[09:38] <TTilus> Chongo: do you have 8139too loaded now?
[09:38] <Guardiann> host unreachable gammaray
[09:38] <Chongo> yeah
[09:38] <Cindux> Helps lol
[09:38] <Chongo> there were no errors when i modprobed it
[09:39] <GdCondor> does someone manage to install a bootsplash on warty ? i installed the kernel-patch, bootsplash and a splash and i reconfigure bootsplash but it seems not to create the initrd.splash....
[09:39] <Tuxicity> GammaRay1, Destination Host Unreachable
[09:39] <TTilus> Chongo: if, what do you get from lsmod and /proc/net/dev
[09:39] <TTilus> Chongo: sudo lsmod | grep 8139
[09:39] <Tuxicity> Cindux, this is a Nero-specific problem, cant help you
[09:39] <Cindux> = /
[09:39] <Cindux> :
[09:40] <Cindux> But this doesn't happen with any other .ISO file
[09:40] <Cindux> i've burned 4-5 other linux distros perfectly with nero
[09:40] <TTilus> Chongo: cat /proc/net/dev | awk '{print $1}'
[09:40] <Chongo> TTilus: erm, there's no eth0 there, its the same as before
[09:41] <Chongo> TTilus: lo is different
[09:41] <Hwolf> Can I tell openoffice presentor to print a bunch of slides with 6 slides on one page?
[09:41] <TTilus> Chongo: too bad
[09:41] <Chongo> TTilus: is it a problem with this driver not working with this card?
[09:41] <adapt> hey felixdz. i changed your password back to what it was
[09:42] <TTilus> Chongo: i would guess that yes, problem with driver
[09:43] <TTilus> Chongo: it says here http://www.danpex.com/faqs/drivers-linux.htm
[09:43] <TTilus> "Note:  Linux kernel 2.4 or above comes with driver module 'rtl8139.o'."
[09:43] <TTilus> but it apparently didn't
[09:43] <adapt> anyone running cs:source above a constant 30fps?
[09:44] <adapt> TTilus, why do you say that
[09:44] <zenrox> adapt,  i cant get nwn over 1 fps
[09:44] <Tuxicity> Zcalot, did you try any other Linux distro with that motherboard? if it worked then itll work on Ubuntu too..
[09:44] <adapt> zenrox, really? you have nvidia?
[09:44] <zenrox> nope i845g/gl vid card
[09:44] <adapt> zenrox, i can play at around 20-40, its playable, but not if your playing serious
[09:44] <adapt> zenrox, oh.. thats why then :)
[09:45] <zenrox> and i know it stpost to work but thares a prob with the i915 ed driver
[09:45] <zenrox> i played it on win 15-20 fps
[09:45] <adapt> oh.
[09:45] <adapt> well i play in win closer to 100
[09:45] <adapt> i know mine is supposed to run better, im just missing something
[09:45] <Chongo> TTilus: hmm, so what do you recommend i do? :-)
[09:45] <zenrox> so my vid card plays it just striped of all grafix stuff turned off
[09:45] <Tuxicity> Zcalot, cause Ubuntu has good hardware support (just for your info)
[09:46] <zenrox> adapt,  tho i am going to have to get a nvida card pci
[09:46] <zenrox> 120 bucks localy for me to buy it
[09:46] <adapt> for a pci?
[09:46] <zenrox> yep
[09:46] <adapt> pci-expresS?
[09:46] <zenrox> no agp in my mobo
[09:46] <zenrox> no pci-express
[09:46] <zenrox> either
[09:47] <adapt> spend your money on a new mobo :)
[09:47] <TTilus> Chongo: back to considering the bus
[09:47] <zenrox> no
[09:47] <zenrox> adapt,  its a good mobo
[09:47] <adapt> with no agp or pci-x?
[09:47] <zenrox> and adapt me being broke all the time dont help
[09:47] <adapt> hehe
[09:47] <TTilus> Chongo: sudo dpkg -l \*pcmcia\*
[09:47] <adapt> i understand that
[09:47] <zenrox> adapt,  its a fic-i845g/gl mobo
[09:47] <TTilus> Chongo: that lists packages with pcmcia in their name
[09:48] <zenrox> so that means the agp is thare just no socket sodered to the board
[09:48] <TTilus> Chongo: i think you should have pcmcia-modules or something like that installed
[09:48] <TTilus> Chongo: ie. having "ii" in front of it
[09:49] <Chongo> err it doesn't like the -1 in the command line
[09:49] <Hwolf> GDAMNIT
[09:49] <Tuxicity> Will a USB 2.0 device work on a motherboard with only USB 1.1/1.0 support(at a lower speed of course)?
[09:49] <TTilus> Chongo: its letter L, not number one
[09:49] <Hwolf> I need to print a pdf file, but xpdf doesn't print it, nor does the postscriptviewer
[09:49] <zenrox> Tuxicity,  technaly yes
[09:50] <TTilus> Chongo: -l stands for listing
[09:50] <Tuxicity> zenrox, "technicaly"?
[09:50] <Hwolf> Someone name me a good app that can open PDF
[09:50] <zeedo> xpdf
[09:50] <Simira> xpdf
[09:50] <Tuxicity> Hwolf, xpdf
[09:50] <zeedo> gpdf
[09:50] <Cindux> Adobe Acrobat
[09:51] <jatos> hello
[09:51] <Cindux> lol
[09:51] <Hwolf> NOT xpdf
[09:51] <TTilus> Hwolf: can you print anything?
[09:51] <Guardiann> I have a strange problem when I attempt to start xine I need to type ln -s hdc /dev/dvd. If I reboot I need to do the same. Is there away to set that command to start at boot?
[09:51] <Chongo> TTilus: it says that pcmcia-cs is installed, but that pcmcia-modules isn't
[09:51] <zenrox> Tuxicity,  some usb 2.0 devises arnt backward compatiable with 1.0 or 1.1
[09:51] <jatos> what the shell command tto delete a file (or folder)
[09:51] <Tuxicity> Hwolf, there is a plugin from Adobe
[09:51] <Hwolf> TTilus, I can print just fine. xpdf however won't let me
[09:51] <Tuxicity> zenrox, oh, tricky..
[09:52] <zenrox> Tuxicity,  yep
[09:52] <zenrox> so the only whay you know is if you try it
[09:52] <Tuxicity> jatos, rm OR rmdir
[09:52] <jatos> thanks
[09:52] <jatos> bbl
[09:52] <apply> My latest Hoary install hangs at boot time with "GRUB Loading stage1.5".  Anyone happen to know what causes this?
[09:52] <Chongo> TTilus: actually it doesn't say that pcmcia-modules isn't installed, it just doesn't have a version or description
[09:52] <TTilus> Chongo: http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/pcmcia-cs
[09:53] <TTilus> Chongo: is it "pn"
[09:53] <Tuxicity> zenrox, is there any way to add some USB 2.0 ports to a USB 1.1 mobo?
[09:53] <Chongo> TTilus pcmcia-cs is installed 3.2.5, and has ii in front of it
[09:53] <zenrox> Tuxicity,  ya buy a usb 2.0 pci card
[09:53] <netmonk> ok, what does "line 55: ./firefox-installer-bin: cannot execute binary file" mean adn more important why? please, help
[09:53] <Chongo> TTilus: pcmcia-modules has un in front of it
[09:53] <Tuxicity> zenrox, oh cool.. r they cheap?
[09:53] <ZzeCoOl> is it posible to mount an NTSF partition with read/write permissions?
[09:54] <zenrox> Tuxicity,  farly 20-50 bucks
[09:54] <Tuxicity> zenrox, thnks for the tip
[09:54] <zenrox> Tuxicity n/p
[09:54] <Tuxicity> ZzeCoOl, no
[09:54] <Hwolf> Does anyone here know if you can print 6 slides/page of a ppt presentation in openoffice-presentor?
[09:54] <TTilus> ZzeCoOl: yes, but i wouldnt do writing...
[09:54] <Tuxicity> ZzeCoOl, it cant write to NTFS, only read
[09:54] <TTilus> ZzeCoOl: read only should be pretty safe, but writing is known to mess up NTFS
[09:55] <mjr> ZzeCoOl, with the free driver, not very usefully; there's a commercial proprietary driver that can supposedly do that, and then there's captive ntfs, which runs the native ntfs driver under emulation, if you're desperate :)
[09:55] <TTilus> Chongo: strange...
[09:55] <ZzeCoOl> mjk O_o
[09:55] <Hwolf> Does anyone here know if you can print 6 slides/page of a ppt presentation in openoffice-presentor?
[09:55] <TTilus> Chongo: where did your kernel package come from?
[09:55] <Guardiann> Hwolf why not just try
[09:55] <Tuxicity> ZzeCoOl, or transfer your data to a ext3 part, I did
[09:56] <TTilus> Chongo: ubuntu installation maybe?
[09:56] <Chongo> TTilus: i just installed everything from the Ubuntu 4.10 cd
[09:56] <ZzeCoOl> i wnat to use windows partitions ....only so i can have access both ways
[09:56] <Hwolf> Guardiann, I've tried, can't find the option
[09:56] <ZzeCoOl> linux and win
[09:56] <Tuxicity> ZzeCoOl, or use FAt32 for sharing between Windows and Linxu
[09:56] <ZzeCoOl> i think fat 32 is the answer
[09:56] <TTilus> Hwolf: print to file and psnup
[09:56] <TTilus> Hwolf: man psnup if you want to know more
[09:57] <TTilus> Chongo: i think pcmcia-modules is what you need right now
[09:58] <Chongo> TTilus: ok, where do i get it from?
[09:58] <kquamme94> hi everyone
[09:59] <TTilus> Chongo: you need to find the package corresponding to your installed kernel package
[09:59] <Chongo> TTilus: erm, where do i look for that? will it be on the cd?
[09:59] <TTilus> Chongo: should be... afaik
[09:59] <TTilus> Chongo: if that's where the kernel came from
[10:00] <Tuxicity> ZzeCoOl, ya unless you have huge files (larger than 4GB!)
[10:00] <TTilus> Chongo: again, what was your uname-r ?
[10:00] <Tuxicity> kquamme94, hi
[10:00] <TTilus> Chongo: sorry, uname -r
[10:01] <Chongo> 2.6.8.1-3-386
[10:01] <Cindux> bla
[10:02] <Dko> Sorry for leaving like I did earlier.  But would anyone who is good at compiling smaug please help me?
[10:02] <Cindux> the newest Gnoppix OS wont workey on my PC upstairs lol
[10:02] <TTilus> try searching kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386 with synaptic or dpkg
[10:02] <Chongo> with the cd in?
[10:03] <TTilus> Chongo: uhh.. cd, never done cd with apt
[10:03] <TTilus> Chongo: it propably asks if you don't have it in
[10:03] <kbrooks> FINALLY!
[10:03] <Dko> Or someone who can help me work out these errors?
[10:04] <kbrooks> I got a Ubuntu Live cd and a install cd
[10:04] <kbrooks> ;)
[10:04] <Cindux> lo
[10:04] <Tuxicity> kbrooks, cool
[10:04] <Cindux> im just about to burn 4.10
[10:04] <kbrooks> i'm gonna try it out
[10:04] <kbrooks> cya
[10:05] <Dko> If no one here can help me could someone tell me a irc channel that might be able to?
[10:05] <Tuxicity> Dko, why do you compile it?
[10:05] <Dko> Because its uncompiled
[10:06] <Guardiann> Dko whats your problem
[10:06] <Cindux> brb gonna go test Gnoppix:p
[10:06] <Chongo> ok
[10:06] <Dko> Guardiann: Im trying to compile a custom smaug code base but I get a bunch of errors and warrnings
[10:06] <Chongo> TTilus: i think i added the CD not sure, searched for pcmcia, and have got sever options
[10:07] <Dko> All very simmilar to each other. So im thinking its somthing simple
[10:07] <Tuxicity> Dko, shouldnt you ask "smaug" people?
[10:07] <Guardiann> do you need everythig you require to compile it
[10:07] <Dko> I would if I knew a smaug irc
[10:07] <TTilus> Chongo: anything close to pcmcia-modules?
[10:07] <Guardiann> i mean do you have
[10:07] <Chongo> TTilus: nic-pcmcia-modules-2.6 etc, pcmcia-cs-udeb, pcmcia-modules-2.6 etc, pcmcia-storage-modules-2.6 etc
[10:07] <Dko> Guardiann: You mean do I need anything to compile it? I don't know
[10:07] <Chongo> TTilus: shall i install pcmcia-modules?
[10:08] <Guardiann> do you have everything you need as in gc
[10:08] <TTilus> Chongo: nic stands for network interface card, so that sounds pretty close
[10:08] <TTilus> Chongo: hit the road with pcmcia-modules
[10:08] <Chongo> TTilus: not nic ones?
[10:09] <Dko> Yea I have Gcc installed
[10:09] <TTilus> Chongo: i think pcmcia-modules depends on nic-pcmcia... and its installed too
[10:09] <Benjamin_L> how do i replace xlibmesa-gl with fglrx ? i can't remove xlibmesa-gl without removing dozens of other dependencies ?
[10:09] <Tuxicity> Dko, it might require some libs
[10:09] <TTilus> Chongo: try it out and check what happens
[10:10] <Chongo> TTilus: so i'm going to mark pcmcia-modules for installation
[10:10] <Tuxicity> Dko, did u ever compile anything b4?
[10:10] <nyxx> how do I format a partition from the livecd (old ntfs drive don't need the data on but do need the storage space)
[10:10] <Chongo> TTilus: it says it depends on kernel-image-2.6.8.1-3-386-di but that that isn't installable
[10:11] <Tuxicity> nyxx, fdisk or cfdisk might do it?
[10:11] <TTilus> kernel-image-2.6.8.1-3-386-di ?
[10:11] <Chongo> yeah
[10:11] <Benjamin_L> anyone ? how do i remove packeges using apt without caring for dependencies ?
[10:12] <luc1f3r> How do I make a mounted drive accessible to programs not run as root?
[10:12] <TTilus> Benjamin_L: you don't want to do that
[10:12] <TTilus> Benjamin_L: really...
[10:12] <Benjamin_L> i want do it, as i want replace xlibmesa-gl with fglrx
[10:12] <Benjamin_L> but i cant remove xlibmesa-gl alone
[10:13] <TTilus> luc1f3r: mount it so that it is accessible?
[10:13] <luc1f3r> I mounted a fat32 drive that has my Windows OS on it, it is accessible through terminal as root, but when I run programs such as XMMS to play mp3's off the drive, it won't find anything on the drive
[10:13] <chka> how i upgrade warty to hoarty
[10:13] <Tuxicity> Benjamin_L, umm, u know thats not the "normal" way of instaling the fglrx, right??
[10:13] <Chongo> TTilus: is there any way to fix that?
[10:13] <Benjamin_L> well apt-get install fglrx doesn't work
[10:14] <luc1f3r> TTilus: does that make sense to you?
[10:14] <Tuxicity> Benjamin_L, just making sure... you read the instructions on ubuntu.com?
[10:14] <Benjamin_L> not yet, didn't know there are any
[10:14] <Tuxicity> Benjamin_L, everything is explained!
[10:14] <Benjamin_L> ok, thanks I'll head over to ubuntu.com
[10:15] <chka> how to upgrade to hoarty?
[10:15] <funkyhat> with the hoary CD?
[10:16] <chka> is there any?
[10:16] <thenuke> with apt-get?
[10:16] <Tuxicity> Benjamin_L, serach on the Wiki
[10:16] <chka> i know but dist-upgrade
[10:16] <thenuke> chka: change wartys to hoary in /etc/apt/sources
[10:16] <thenuke> then use apt to upgrade
[10:16] <chka> but before i have install te software?
[10:17] <luc1f3r> TTilus: you still there?
[10:17] <chka> with alone the main sources?
[10:17] <TTilus> luc1f3r: mount options to set the owner and group are uid=value and gid=Value
[10:17] <TTilus> man mount
[10:17] <TTilus> man fstab
[10:17] <luc1f3r> TTilus: that is the solution to it?
[10:17] <luc1f3r> simply the permissions?
[10:18] <TTilus> luc1f3r: fat doesnt have file owners
[10:18] <Chongo> TTilus: do you know where i can find kernel-image...? synaptic can't find it?
[10:18] <chka> thenuke: only yje main sources ?
[10:18] <TTilus> luc1f3r: by default (if not assigned) all files are seen owned by root
[10:18] <luc1f3r> TTilus: okay, so in fstab, i have to change that
[10:18] <TTilus> luc1f3r: change that and you propably have what you want
[10:19] <luc1f3r> TTilus: thanks
[10:19] <TTilus> luc1f3r: yes, fstab
[10:19] <TTilus> Chongo: net  :-/
[10:20] <TTilus> Chongo: really... never done CD... im propably not able to help you with that one...  :(
[10:20] <Chongo> TTilus: i don't understand why it wouldn't install by default? is it worth just doing a clean installation, with the card in?
[10:21] <Chongo> TTilus: there's no way to connect it to the net...
[10:21] <caulktel> anybody know when to expect the free cd's?
[10:21] <caulktel> I have been waiting since oct.
[10:21] <TTilus> Chongo: that's why i did ":-/"
[10:21] <TTilus> :)
[10:22] <Chongo> TTilus: do you think that if i install it from scratch, it might recognise it and work?
[10:24] <kquamme94> does anyone here have anonymizing setup?
[10:26] <Chongo> TTilus: i think i'm going to have to just reinstall the OS, as i can't really spend any more time trying to figure it out - thank you so immensely much for all of your kind help!!!
[10:27] <luc1f3r> TTilus: what are the correct parameters for my fstab info??
[10:27] <luc1f3r> TTilus: /dev/hda1       /winfat32       vfat   defaults,uuid="root,rradjabi",noauto   0        0
[10:27] <luc1f3r> that is the line I want to edit to make accessible to user: rradjabi and root
[10:29] <october> crimsun you there?
[10:31] <october> hmmm
[10:31] <october> was thinking about trying Fedora Core 3.0 on here to see how it does with this video driver... (maybe save the XF86Config file and then re-install Ubuntu
[10:31] <bobalien> does anyone have any links to any extended information on using ubuntu on a windows (specifically win2k server) network - I'm something of a newb, and I've just posted to the forums, but I figured i'd check if anyone here had any links
[10:32] <bobalien> what i've found in the doc's hasn't helped as much as I've hoped
[10:32] <october> bobalien good question.
[10:32] <bobalien> nor what i read in the "unofficial" startup guide
[10:32] <october> essentially SMB with nautilus and such?
[10:32] <october> as an smbclient you mean?
[10:32] <bobalien> yes
[10:32] <bobalien> i've been able to mount thru the terminal
[10:32] <bobalien> but only read-only
[10:32] <bobalien> even with full access users
[10:33] <october> hmm, one thing you might be able to check out is..... search gnome help or nautilus help with smb.
[10:33] <october> bobalien I think that stuff is pretty much distro generic.
[10:33] <october> bobalien though, I could be wrong.
[10:33] <bobalien> that's what i figured
[10:33] <bobalien> no sweat
[10:33] <october> bobalien the blind leading the blind here... ;)
[10:33] <bobalien> i'm a total linux n00b heh
[10:33] <Xerbee> Hi all, im rather noob on this thing but i need some help with x-server
[10:34] <october> I've used Linux since 96' but...  I have used it exclusively, and don't know anything about Windows network integration with Linux.  Sorry bud.
[10:34] <bobalien> no prob
[10:34] <october> bobalien would like to hear about it though.
[10:34] <bobalien> well with any luck someone will respond to my forum post
[10:34] <october> Xerbee what is that exactly?  You need help getting it setup?
[10:34] <bobalien> or i'll be able to find a solution elsewhere
[10:35] <october> yah... this is a good channel for help... people seem asleep atm.
[10:35] <scizzo> bobalien: what are you trying to do?
[10:35] <october> heh
[10:35] <Xerbee> october, hmm sry for bad english first :) It says something like "Cant start your x-server plz reconfigure" but in swedish :)
[10:35] <october> Xerbee try this:   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:35] <october> Xerbee that might help you out.  and don't worry my english isn't so good either, and it's my native toungue :)
[10:36] <Xerbee> october, must be run as root...
[10:36] <bobalien> scizzo: for now I'd just like to be able to easily browse to the Win2k server shares thru the GUI, and maybe eventually link the system login to my Active Dir logins
[10:36] <october> Xerbee oops
[10:36] <october> Xerbee add sudo in front of that.
[10:36] <bobalien> I've enabled windows networking, and that didn't seem to help
[10:36] <october> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:36] <scizzo> bobalien: there are many ways to do that
[10:37] <bobalien> (i get permission errors when trying to access shares under the top server level i.e. another computer or the file server)
[10:37] <october> Xerbee you can always do:  sudo su -   (allows you to become root)  and then do things as root.
[10:37] <scizzo> bobalien: for example if you want to mount a dir on the desktop...open a nautilus window...go File->Connect to computer or something
[10:37] <Xerbee> october, ok its running.. now i have to select drivers... i have a ati card so i should select ati?
[10:38] <october> Xerbee that would be my guess ;)
[10:38] <bobalien> i've tried that all, but get permissions errors with File -> connect
[10:38] <r3m0t> hello
[10:38] <Hwolf> Xerbee -> ati for the open source xorg driver or fglrx for the closed source ati-driver
[10:38] <october> Xerbee I saw something on here about ati before though.   Someone said they just released new ATI drivers for Linux.
[10:38] <Xerbee> october, Ok i have tested that already, ati and then vga nothing works
[10:38] <mboumboum> probleme pour config ma carte pcmcia wifi linksys
[10:38] <october> Xerbee check out what Hwolf  said
[10:38] <r3m0t> my sound isn't working on a fairly fresh install; please help. I'm using amd64 and a SiS chipset for sound
[10:38] <mboumboum> si rep cool
[10:39] <Xerbee> Hwolf, Ok but im totaly noob. Can you explain it more?
[10:39] <october> heh
[10:40] <october> that would be a no.
[10:40] <Xerbee> damn :p
[10:40] <october> :)
[10:40] <october> hmm
[10:40] <mboumboum> est les gars
[10:40] <r3m0t> ?
[10:40] <october> and the what?
[10:40] <october> heh
[10:40] <mboumboum> une repons cool
[10:40] <Xerbee> the thing is that i tested vga and ati but its the same error
[10:41] <october> q'est qu cest "les gars" an anglais.  Mon francais et horrible
[10:41] <october> heh
[10:41] <r3m0t> *est :P
[10:41] <october> I can't type english, much less in french
[10:41] <Xerbee> october, Should i use Kernel framebuffer?
[10:41] <Pocky> uhm, hi...
[10:42] <october> Xerbee I'm thinking no...
[10:42] <Pocky> I'm having a problem.
[10:42] <Pocky> you know.
[10:42] <Pocky> with linux.
[10:42] <october> Xerbee do you have another box?  that is online connected to the net at the moment?  (windows or another linux box?)
[10:42] <Pocky> I have a live CD, but when I boot up from it, theres some text, and then the screen gets all garbled.
[10:43] <Xerbee> october, Im on my laptop now, and installing on another box
[10:43] <occy> Xerbee: hah, it's me "october"
[10:43] <occy> I pulled out my battery cable to test the battery and the laptop died.
[10:43] <Xerbee> occy, hehe
[10:43] <funkyhat> which mySQL packages do i need to install for interoperability with apache/php?
[10:43] <occy> apparently there is NO battery life.
[10:44] <occy> Xerbee: ahh.. ok... So, check out www.ati.com   let's see what is there.
[10:45] <Pocky> hello?
[10:45] <binbin> is there anything i can do to increase performance?
[10:45] <r3m0t> funkyhat: just the normal client ones should do
[10:45] <funkyhat> ok. so client and server packages :)
[10:45] <r3m0t> binbin: find out about prelinking, not sure it'll work well with Ubuntu though
[10:45] <Xerbee> occy, the problem is that i download the drivers from ati. I have no clue about how to get them to work
[10:46] <NanoTek> anybody know how to downgrade from a hoary to warty
[10:46] <NanoTek> ?
[10:46] <Pocky> uhm, I need help.
[10:46] <Pocky> a little.
[10:47] <mjr> NanoTek, I'd suggest a reinstall
[10:47] <NanoTek> i don't want to reinstall
[10:47] <Pocky> I'm trying to boot from a live cd.
[10:47] <Pocky> and when it boots, everything is garbled.
[10:47] <NanoTek> emerge knows to downgrade why not apt
[10:47] <NanoTek> ?
[10:47] <Xerbee> occy, The config is done, how do i boot now? restart or what?
[10:48] <Pocky> does anybody hear me?
[10:48] <Pocky> something must be wrong with my irc client...
[10:48] <Xerbee> yep, but i cant help you :(
[10:48] <Pocky> ah.
[10:48] <Pocky> okay.
[10:48] <funkyhat> yeah, we can hear you, can't really help though :(
[10:48] <Pocky> alright.
[10:49] <funkyhat> does anyone know if ubuntu live CD tests itself at all?
[10:49] <r3m0t> umm
[10:49] <r3m0t> in the installer you can
[10:49] <Pocky> see, I was gonna test ubuntu out, and if I liked it, install it on a second drive.
[10:49] <r3m0t> also, try "cdtest", "testcd", "mediatest" (etc) in the first prompt
[10:49] <Pocky> ok.
[10:51] <Pocky> ...the test cd prompt is garbled.
[10:51] <occy> Xerbee: sorry, back
[10:51] <Pocky> ugh.
[10:51] <occy> Xerbee: you could try and do:   startx
[10:51] <occy> Xerbee: sec...
[10:51] <binbin> so other than prelinking, there is no way to increase overall system performance?
[10:51] <occy> Xerbee: ctrl+alt+backspace will shut X down :)
[10:51] <Pocky> I see a U, and a couple bs flying around.
[10:52] <occy> Xerbee: just in case you get stuck.   Or,  ctrl+alt+F1
[10:52] <Xerbee> occy, Dont think X is running so there isnt much to get down :)
[10:52] <HrdwrBoB> binbin: new hardware
[10:52] <occy> Xerbee: did you type startx ?
[10:53] <Xerbee> occy, Yeah, Fatal server error: no screens found.. funny im reading it on a screen that isnt found?
[10:53] <binbin> HrdwrBoB: this is on a laptop
[10:53] <HrdwrBoB> binbin: that makes it a bit harder
[10:54] <cavediver> Hi all. I'm running gnome out of the box with my nvidia card. Is is better to download their binary driver ? Will in be faster performancewise ?
[10:54] <Pocky> would the screen be garbled if I just installed it?
[10:54] <binbin> in MS Windows there are many ways to increase performance.... but it sounds like linux is already running at the optimal performance
[10:54] <HrdwrBoB> cavediver: it will be much faster
[10:54] <ZzeCoOl> http://ubuntuguide.org/   is dead?
[10:54] <cavediver> HrdwrBoB: really ?
[10:54] <HrdwrBoB> binbin: pretty much, why would it be shipped in a non optimal state
[10:54] <occy> Xerbee: heh
[10:54] <cavediver> Are they possible to apt-get or is it the binary driver I must install ?
[10:54] <ZzeCoOl> HrdwrBoB holaaaa
[10:55] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[10:55] <occy> Xerbee: Did you check ati.com ?
[10:55] <ZzeCoOl> :D
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> yo
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> cavediver: you can apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:55] <ZzeCoOl> http://ubuntuguide.org/   is dead for me can anyone check it plz
[10:55] <Xerbee> occy, yep they have some drivers but i dont know how to get them in to my system :(
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> then run nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:55] <cavediver> HrdwrBoB: What drivers does Ubuntu install with ?
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> the free drivers
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> make sure you have linux-restricted-modules installed
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> and it should be fine
[10:56] <Pocky> uh, warty is the latest release, right?
[10:56] <occy> Xerbee: :/  I wasn't joking when I said it was the blind leading the blind.  I am typically bad about getting these things to work....
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> Pocky: yes
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> hoary is current unstable
[10:56] <cavediver> HrdwrBoB: resticted-modules, what is that ?
[10:56] <Pocky> thanks.
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> cavediver: it has the nvidia (and other) modules in it
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> check it's installed in synaptic
[10:56] <occy> Xerbee: this 64bit?
[10:57] <cafuego> cavediver: precompiled stuff that wasn't in debian. nvidia, fglrx, atheros wifi
[10:57] <Xerbee> occy, nope
[10:57] <occy> Xerbee: or just regular x86 hardware?  Pentium4?
[10:57] <Xerbee> occy, AMD Athlon xp barton 2800+
[10:57] <occy> Xerbee: type this:   lspci
[10:57] <cavediver> Ok I see.
[10:57] <occy> as root (over on that machine)
[10:57] <occy> it might work as your user too
[10:57] <occy> yeah, it should.
[10:58] <occy> Do you see the ATI card in there?
[10:58] <Xerbee> Yep
[10:58] <Xerbee> ATI Tech, unknown device :(
[10:58] <Pocky> Woo. I got it to work.
[10:58] <occy> Xerbee: let me check the wiki
[10:58] <Pocky> I had the resoultion way too high for my monitor.
[10:59] <cavediver> HrdwrBoB: ok. install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-amd64-k8, nvidia-glx and run nvidia-glx-config, right ?
[10:59] <Xerbee> occy, Ok it says  Unknow device 4a69
[10:59] <HrdwrBoB> cavediver: assuming your on amd84 and that's your kernel, yep
[10:59] <cavediver> yepp
[10:59] <occy> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards/view?searchterm=ATI
[10:59] <HrdwrBoB> 64
[10:59] <occy> Xerbee: look at that
[10:59] <cavediver> Will try that.
[11:00] <Xerbee> occy, Ok im on a x800
[11:00] <occy> Xerbee: x800 don't see that model.
[11:00] <Xerbee> occy, Maybe i need some more drivers then :(
[11:01] <caleb_> is 'w32codecs' in apt for anybody running hoary?  I think ive got all of the right repos added.
[11:01] <binbin> is there a web site out there that has information on optimizing my software to better match my harware?
[11:01] <Xerbee> occy, think i have booted with live cd on this box so if there is more drivers on the live then installed its very confusing
[11:02] <veristead> hey.... so i jst got my PPC verison of Ubuntu linux in the mail
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> binbin: you will spend many orders of magnitude more time trying to make your software run faster
[11:02] <funkyhat> binbin: www.linuxfromscratch.org might be good
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> than you could ever hope to gain by improving it
[11:02] <veristead> and am trying to install it any suggestions
[11:02] <veristead> ....
[11:02] <veristead> i was more curious about installing it to my iPod
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> binbin: just make sure the approriate kernel is running, and that should be it
[11:03] <binbin> i am using the latest release of Ubuntu
[11:03] <binbin> warty
[11:03] <funkyhat> you should be able to find a kernel with accelerators for your processor
[11:03] <Xerbee> occy, Maybe i have to try this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto ATI fglrx, hwolf talked about that i think
[11:04] <veristead> :-\
[11:04] <veristead> no answer to my question i guess
[11:04] <veristead> must all be x86 users
[11:05] <occy> Xerbee: yah... possibly
[11:05] <occy> veristead: :/
[11:05] <occy> veristead: sorry... Can't afford new hardware.  heh.
[11:05] <occy> veristead: my friend just put gentoo on his 64bit laptop...     http://sweetooth.org/
[11:05] <HrdwrBoB> veristead: is there a problem with it?
[11:06] <occy> veristead: probably totally different problem than you have (haven't been reading), but...
[11:06] <veristead> well no
[11:06] <veristead> i jst wanted to ask what you think this might do to my iPod
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> you want to install it on your ipod?
[11:06] <veristead> yea
[11:06] <veristead> it's working currently
[11:06] <veristead> np
[11:07] <HrdwrBoB> I have no idea
[11:07] <HrdwrBoB> no-one before yourself has probably even considered it
[11:07] <veristead> but i was curious if there would be a way to have my music playable while running Linux on it
[11:07] <veristead> well... i will let you know how it works
[11:07] <veristead> i guess
[11:07] <veristead> :-)
[11:07] <veristead> i have all the backup software to it if need be
[11:07] <Pocky> oh, I saw an article on using an ipod as a bootable HD.
[11:07] <HrdwrBoB> look at the linux on ipod software
[11:08] <veristead> hrdwrBoB: yea i was scoping that out
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> Pocky: yeah the trick is still having it work as an ipod :)
[11:08] <veristead> and it seems to be it's own version
[11:08] <veristead> and not a bootable drive
[11:08] <Pocky> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=308931
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> yes that's right
[11:08] <occy> Xerbee: good luck to you.... lurk here... and ask at different times of the day.  Someone can help you ultimately if you can't figure it out on your own.  I have to start making dinner now.  Sorry to run out on you bud.
[11:09] <jocco> is there going to be a backport for ATI Drivers for warty?
[11:09] <HrdwrBoB> jocco: highly unlikely
[11:09] <jocco> HrdwrBoB Thankyou :)
[11:09] <Xerbee> occy, thx for the help, cya around :)
[11:09] <KlingElf> Just curious, does anybody else have serious issues with the partition manager on the warty install cd?
[11:10] <funkyhat> i didn't
[11:10] <jocco> I do, I have a fedora partition, and warty wont let me install shareing the same /swap and /home partition
[11:10] <darkling> I did.
[11:10] <darkling> I had problems with a preexisting LVM setup.
[11:10] <KlingElf> I've tried it 3 times or so, and every time, no matter what partition type I choose, it won't let me format a partition that way
[11:10] <Pocky> oh, theres a better article about booting linux off an ipod
[11:11] <veristead> article i am reading is saying that it will shorten the life of my iPod
[11:11] <Pocky> http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:Tt8t2giTHiUJ:www.codepoetry.net/archives/2004/08/27/partitioning_the_ipod.php
[11:11] <veristead> cuz it will overheat
[11:11] <veristead> and shit like that
[11:11] <PattonPending> hey folks
[11:11] <KlingElf> Heya
[11:11] <PattonPending> I'm having a fun time with a little bug here
[11:11] <PattonPending> anyone got a minute?
[11:11] <veristead> it says that the mini hd is only rated at 20,000 hours
[11:12] <cavediver> What is this ?
[11:12] <cavediver>  powernow-k8: transition frequency failed
[11:12] <cavediver> All over my syslog.
[11:13] <cavediver> Is it Cool & Quiet not working correctly ?
[11:13] <HrdwrBoB> cavediver: have a search of ubuntulinux.org I think you need to update/change the powernos stuff
[11:13] <HrdwrBoB> powernow
[11:13] <veristead> i am trying this currently
[11:13] <veristead> it's installing
[11:13] <Tuxicity> PattonPending, just ask
[11:13] <veristead> no error message yet
[11:13] <cavediver> HrdwrBoB: alright. Nvidia drivers worked great btw
[11:13] <veristead> and i might jst use it temporarily to see how it works
[11:13] <jocco> should I be in init 3 when I upgrade to warty to hoary and try installing Xorg, and uninstalling Xfree?
[11:14] <veristead> and then restore the iPod
[11:14] <veristead> i think that will work
[11:14] <PattonPending> heh
[11:14] <PattonPending> just checking
[11:14] <veristead> :-\
[11:14] <veristead> fuck... i probably should have waited til after the play i have all my music on there
[11:14] <veristead> and it needs to be used for the tempest
[11:15] <veristead> i have backups on another machine though... so i guess that will be ok
[11:15] <veristead> hopefully
[11:15] <PattonPending> I was having some issues with OO, did a remove --purge and then a reinstall, that went fine, but I'm getting the oldschool "relocation errors" and "undefined symbol" problems when I try to run oowriter
[11:15] <PattonPending> and its getting really irritating
[11:16] <enkrates> Hello, everyone. Can anyone point me to directions for altering the Gnome Application menu in Ubuntu?
[11:16] <seb128> hi
[11:16] <seb128> warty or hoary ?
[11:16] <veristead> luckily i bought a Best Buy warrenty and not an Apple one
[11:16] <PattonPending> mobilefrank:~ $ oowriter
[11:16] <PattonPending> OpenOffice.org lockfile found (/home/frankizod/.openoffice/1.1.2/.lock)
[11:16] <PattonPending> Using existing OpenOffice.org
[11:16] <PattonPending> /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin: relocation error: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libucpchelp1.so: undefined symbol: _ZN2DbC1EP5DbEnvj
[11:16] <veristead> so Bestbuy tends to be stupid
[11:16] <veristead> and will give me a new one
[11:16] <Tuxicity> PattonPending, dont ask me ;-)
[11:17] <PattonPending> heh
[11:17] <Pocky> did you back up the ipod firmware?
[11:17] <enkrates> I'm using the non-bleeding edge version...warty?
[11:17] <PattonPending> yeah
[11:17] <PattonPending> its ugly
[11:17] <cavediver> Hmm, seems to be no luck with powernow in the forum.
[11:17] <darmou> hoary is the bleeding edge
[11:17] <Pocky> because that's on a separate partition on the HD.
[11:17] <Pocky> if you erase that, your screwed.
[11:18] <PattonPending> cavediver.... what's your hardware like?
[11:18] <veristead> Pocky no.... i have the software for it
[11:18] <cavediver> AMD 3000+ winchester, MSI neo2
[11:18] <veristead> and i can bring it back to get a new one from Best Buy if push comes to shove
[11:18] <veristead> hopefully
[11:18] <cavediver> Nforce3
[11:18] <veristead> i can make shit up
[11:18] <veristead> and they will believe me
[11:18] <darmou> have a look at the console ctrl alt f1 then cntr alt f7 to get back to x windows
[11:18] <Pocky> hahah.
[11:19] <cavediver> PattonPending: Do you want to know something specific ?
[11:19] <veristead> Best Buy replaced a CD player for free when i drove over it with my car
[11:19] <PattonPending> hmmm.... well I've been hearing a lot of things about powernow-k8 being broken on a lot of mainboards because of bios and other problems
[11:19] <cavediver> I see.
[11:19] <Tuxicity> veristead, hmm
[11:19] <veristead> i jst said the plastic came off when i kept it in my bag
[11:20] <cavediver> Maybe I should shut the daemon down.
[11:20] <PattonPending> yeah give that a shot
[11:20] <PattonPending> what kernel are you running?
[11:20] <cavediver> PattonPending: 2.6.8.1-3-amd64-k8
[11:21] <nyxx> could someone tell me how to burn an iso with the nautilus cd burner?
[11:21] <Tuxicity> veristead, u drove over it on purpose?
[11:21] <cavediver> rightclick - burn :)
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> nyxx: right click, burn to disc
[11:21] <veristead> no
[11:21] <veristead> i didn't
[11:21] <veristead> does Ubuntu have a driver for Apple's Airport Card?
[11:21] <nyxx> HrdwrBoB, thanks!
[11:21] <cavediver> speeking of that. Can nautilus burn img files?
[11:21] <enkrates> I'm running warty and I'm trying to add programs to the Application menu in Gnome....can anyone point me to some documentation for that?
[11:21] <PattonPending> Cavediver.. look here.  More information and apparrantly a patch of sorts http://kerneltrap.org/node/4335
[11:22] <cavediver> If not, can one convert them to iso ?
[11:22] <veristead> anyone know?
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> cavediver: you can convert them
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> cavediver: google for img to iso or similar
[11:22] <PattonPending> again on my little issue... anyone having problems with openoffice?
[11:23] <cavediver> I'll do that
[11:23] <enkrates> I've already spent some time googling and looking through www.ubuntulinux.com and so far no luck.
[11:23] <enkrates> I think when I used an earlier version of Gnome there was an Application menu editor, but I can't find it on Ubuntu
[11:24] <enkrates> which I believe has Gnome 2.8
[11:24] <veristead> does anyone know if Ubuntu has support for Apple's Airport Card
[11:24] <Tuxicity> enkrates, in Nautilus, go to location "applications://"
[11:24] <veristead> both extreme and original
[11:24] <veristead> ?????????
[11:24] <mjr> veristead, it's my second-hand understanding that the original is supported but extreme is not
[11:24] <veristead> ah
[11:25] <veristead> that needs to be fixed
[11:25] <mjr> well, fixing that would require apple's co-operation to come about in an effective way
[11:25] <enkrates> tuxicity, I'm there but my next step is non-obvious :)
[11:25] <PattonPending> tux, I think he's looking for like the "find the bin... find the icon" type steps
[11:26] <Pocky> there might be a sourceforge driver.
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> Tuxicity: right click, add launcher
[11:26] <enkrates> my goal is to be able to have more applications listed in the foot pull-down menu.
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> er enkrates
[11:27] <Lowry> hi all
[11:27] <enkrates> So, for example, I can much more quickly use emacs, or screem, or what have you.
[11:27] <Lowry> Got a ppc build question.
[11:27] <Lowry> trying to get dri working on my g3
[11:28] <Lowry> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=13390&page=3&pp=10
[11:28] <Lowry> has "I'm hearing reports that 6.8.1-1ubuntu11 fixed it -- you might want to give that a shot."
[11:28] <enkrates> In debian, I recall I had a "Debian menu" from which I could click on pretty much any program I had installed.
[11:28] <Lowry> How do I get to6.8.1-1ubuntu11 ?
[11:28] <Tuxicity> enkrates, goto say Applications, Multimedia, right-click, Entire Menu, Add new item to this menu
[11:29] <Tuxicity> enkrates, I think the Debian menu will be in Hoary, but for now, do what I just said
[11:29] <Lowry> normal upgrade or a new ubuntu cd image?
[11:29] <enkrates> Tuxicity, right-clicking doesn't do anything
[11:29] <enkrates> I tried each of the submenus, but they all had no response.
[11:30] <Tuxicity> enkrates, dont right-click on Multimedia, right-click on say CD Player inside Multimedia
[11:31] <enkrates> Tuxicity, that worked like a charm. :)
[11:31] <enkrates> I guess, when in doubt, always right-click.
[11:32] <Tuxicity> enkrates, you just had to experiment a little
[11:32] <Cube-ness> hmm.. are there change logs somewhere for the kernel versions being put out for hoary?
[11:32] <enkrates> Tuxicity, thanks for your help. :) Peace out.
[11:33] <Tuxicity> enkrates, no problem
[11:33] <bassinboy> hey could i get help with my digi cam? <i know how to do it, but things seem different on ubuntu>
[11:33] <Cube-ness> all kernels since the 2.6.9 series have panic at hotplug init. for me
[11:34] <bassinboy> crap
[11:34] <veristead> ahhh... installation had error
[11:34] <Cube-ness> keep hoping the fix, which seems to have been done for fc3, gets rolled in..
[11:34] <Cube-ness> hehe
[11:34] <bassinboy> usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 2
[11:34] <bassinboy> now what? heh
[11:34] <bassinboy> sda is my harddrive. and there is no sdb
[11:35] <veristead> it says "The Bootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1). Check /var/log/messages or see virtual console 3 for the details'
[11:35] <veristead> this is during the installation of Ubuntu Linux
[11:35] <veristead> for PPC
[11:35] <veristead> the failing step is installing the base station
[11:36] <veristead> what must i do now??
[11:37] <Pocky> uh, no idea.
[11:37] <Pocky> that means it couldn't get into the little program that boots you into linux.
[11:38] <veristead> well... why the fuck not
[11:38] <veristead> it should tell me reason
[11:38] <veristead> reasons
[11:38] <Pocky> I dunno.
[11:38] <veristead> those bastards
[11:38] <veristead> do i need it?
[11:38] <veristead> can i skip it
[11:39] <veristead> and see what happens?
[11:39] <Pocky> um, yes. you need it.
[11:39] <veristead> figures thatr
[11:39] <veristead> damn bastard
[11:40] <Pocky> you might need to do a custom partition setup to get it to work, but I don't know anything.
[11:40] <veristead> must be the iPod firmware
[11:40] <veristead> oh well
[11:40] <veristead> w/e
[11:40] <veristead> i'm gonna rest it for now
[11:40] <veristead> then backup all my files on my eMac and try installing it directly
[11:40] <veristead> that way
[11:40] <veristead> i wonder if i can dual boot them
[11:41] <veristead> :-\
[11:41] <Pocky> I dual booted it on my imac before.
[11:41] <Pocky> it works.
[11:41] <Pocky> but, you have to delete, like, everything.
[11:41] <veristead> yea i know
[11:42] <crimsun> occy: I am now. What's up?
[11:42] <veristead> i have many HDs to backup my Emac
[11:42] <veristead> so i'm not worried
[11:42] <veristead> i will probably only give it a 10gb partition for Linux
[11:42] <bassinboy> hey could i get help with my digi cam? <i know how to do it, but things seem different on ubuntu>   (repeat) ... sorry lol
[11:42] <veristead> good news is that my eMac now restarting and is booting into OS X
[11:42] <veristead> no problems yet
[11:43] <veristead> i jst need to change my startup disk
[11:43] <veristead> and i am going to reinstall my apple iPod software
[11:43] <veristead> and hope that works
[11:44] <veristead> fuck my iPod is hot
[11:44] <veristead> damn
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> bassinboy: it should Just Work
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> when you plug it in
[11:44] <KlingElf> Hey there. I'm having some trouble with the installer. Everything's fine up until the partition manager. I tried pre-formatting the partitions to install ubuntu, and everything seems to go fine, according to Partition Magic. When the Ubuntu installer tries to mount the partition, however, it says that it can't. Any explanations?
[11:44] <bassinboy> HrdwrBoB: ok.... where is it
[11:45] <Pocky> oh, yeah.
[11:45] <Pocky> because you were installing stuff on it.
[11:45] <veristead> i'm intiallizing it now
[11:45] <binbin> what is the latest kernel?
[11:45] <Pocky> you should like, just kinda stick a fan on top of it.
[11:45] <Pocky> er something.
[11:45] <crimsun> binbin: for...?
[11:46] <Pocky> it might cool it, mabey
[11:46] <kbrooks> I just installed Ubuntu.
[11:46] <binbin> crimsun, do you mean .... my machine or the ubuntu release
[11:46] <Tuxicity> kbrooks, congrats :)
[11:46] <kbrooks> And I now have Debian / Ubuntu side by side....
[11:46] <scizzo> binbin: www.kernel.org
[11:46] <veristead> yay it didn't loose anything
[11:46] <crimsun> binbin: you asked, I'm trying to clarify.
[11:46] <PattonPending> yay kbrooks
[11:47] <HrdwrBoB> bassinboy: it's USB I assume
[11:47] <HrdwrBoB> when you plug it in
[11:47] <kbrooks> i have 2 hard drives -- hda is for debian and hdb is for ubuntu
[11:47] <HrdwrBoB> nautilus should pop up a window
[11:47] <Pocky> hey, I'm trying to install ubuntu on an old crappy PC, and it just stopped
[11:47] <veristead> just needs to update it
[11:47] <Gones> nobody speak French plz ?
[11:47] <Pocky> it was "Creating ext3 file system for / in partition #1 of IDE1 master (hda)..."
[11:47] <kbrooks> i might get another hard drive, however, i do not have money. i might install gentoo on it. :P
[11:47] <Pocky> and it froze at 25%
[11:48] <kbrooks> Gones, hold on.
[11:48] <Pocky> anyone have any ideas?
[11:48] <Gones> hold on what ?
[11:48] <kbrooks> Gones, try #ubuntu-fr
[11:48] <Gones> oki sry, Think
[11:48] <veristead> Gones: Je parle franais
[11:48] <Gones> ba viens sur le chan si tu pesu meric
[11:49] <bassinboy> HrdwrBoB: true true, but nothing is happening
[11:49] <Tuxicity> Gones, je parle franais
[11:49] <Lowry> veristead - gl with your emac
[11:49] <Lowry> I have ubuntu on my g3 powerbook
[11:49] <veristead> Gones: oui
[11:49] <Pocky> any help?
[11:49] <Pocky> no?
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> bassinboy: what do you mean, it pops up an empty window?
[11:50] <veristead> Avec ce que  vous ont besoin de l'aide ?
[11:50] <Lowry> What is/where is the ppc 6.8.1-1ubuntu11 build?
[11:50] <veristead> Lowry thanx
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> Pocky: the hdd might have bad sectors
[11:50] <kbrooks> why is sudo recommended
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> Pocky: check the console at alt+f4
[11:50] <veristead> yay iPod is done updating
[11:50] <Lowry> you can dual boot iirc
[11:51] <jdub> kbrooks: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[11:51] <veristead> luckily i have an external Hard Drive
[11:51] <funkyhat> what's the command to force restart apache?
[11:51] <keyshawn2> howdy
[11:51] <keyshawn> any experienced mplayer users in here ?
[11:52] <bassinboy> HrdwrBoB: no, nothing happens at all, except dmesg shows usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 2
[11:52] <kbrooks> *
[11:52] <kbrooks>       Initially the Ubuntu team wanted the easiest install possible. By not enabling root, a couple of steps requiring user interaction during install could be avoided. (Colin Watson)
[11:52] <kbrooks> aha
[11:52] <Pocky> Jan 18 23:39:24 (none) user.notice hotplug-misc: got unsupported event type "block"
[11:52] <veristead> i have mplayer... but for os x
[11:52] <kbrooks> and debian has that in the install............ah
[11:52] <Pocky> that pops up alot.
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> bassinboy: what does lsusb say
[11:53] <Pocky> does that mean my HD is dead?
[11:53] <bassinboy> HrdwrBoB: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 04a9:30b9 Canon, Inc.
[11:53] <Pocky> because if that's true, I only have a 1 gig backup HD to fall back on.
[11:53] <veristead> i dunno
[11:53] <Pocky> and that would suck.
[11:54] <Gones> how to i can install a driver plz ? do you have this HOWTO but in french ?
[11:54] <veristead> it sounds unixy or linuxy like
[11:54] <Pocky> lol
[11:54] <kbrooks> hmmm
[11:54] <veristead> and i dnt speak unix or linux
[11:54] <Pocky> yeah. it does.
[11:54] <KlingElf> veristead: BSD? ;)
[11:54] <kbrooks> brb.
[11:54] <Pocky> uhm... I know some BASIC....
[11:54] <Pocky> I think...
[11:54] <keyshawn> do you need someone to translate it ?
[11:54] <veristead> klingElf: yes but it's in the Appleish dialect
[11:54] <Pocky> x_x
[11:55] <KlingElf> Hehe
[11:55] <veristead> so it is very user friendly
[11:55] <veristead> and pretty
[11:55] <bassinboy> HrdwrBoB: hmm, i see it in "device manager" though
[11:55] <Pocky> and see-through.
[11:55] <Pocky> with lazers.
[11:55] <veristead> it says outright what the problem is
[11:55] <KlingElf> Wish I could get Ubuntu installed...CD checks out fine, partition reads as a perfect ext3 partition, swap's good...
[11:55] <kbrooks> what does N.B. mean?
[11:56] <Agrajag> nota bene
[11:56] <Pocky> uhm nota bene?
[11:56] <Agrajag> it's latin for "note well"
[11:56] <kbrooks> oh, ok.
[11:56] <Pocky> I thought it was latin for "not a bean."
[11:56] <kbrooks> what's the deal with this....'universe'?
[11:56] <Lowry> veristead - do you have an isight?
[11:57] <kbrooks> anyway, i want to update xchat
[11:57] <kbrooks> 2.0.8 is very old
[11:57] <keyshawn> kbrooks, one of the depositories has it.
[11:57] <veristead> for example it would say "Can't find file "little teens fucking.mpg" becuase of one or more of the following reasons 1) you don't have it. 2) You deleted it 3) You securely deleted it.  4) your parents found it 5) your brother foundn it and is gay so he doesn't need it 6) you have selected the wrong directory... please check your request and fix it"
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> bassinboy: that means that either there's no driver for it
[11:58] <kbrooks> keyshawn, huh?
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> or it's not loaded properly
[11:58] <veristead> Lowry: why you want to have cyber sex on webcam?
[11:58] <Pocky> it WOULD. except most compies don't have mpgs called little teens fucking.
[11:58] <mz2> kbrooks, use the hoary backports repo if you want a more recent xchat
[11:58] <bassinboy> HrdwrBoB: weird. its in device drivers
[11:58] <kbrooks> mz2, and that is where
[11:58] <Pocky> and if they do, I have no faith in humanity.
[11:58] <keyshawn> [mz2 said it] 
[11:58] <bassinboy> HrdwrBoB: i mean device manager *
[11:58] <veristead> Pocky: fuck... am i the only one??
[11:58] <jdub> kbrooks: if you're using warty, it's stable. there are no version updates. hoary, the devel branch, is far newer, and will be released in march/april.
[11:59] <Lowry> just wondering if you got isight video working with ubuntu
[11:59] <veristead> oh no
[11:59] <mz2> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/
[11:59] <veristead> i dnt us Ubuntu
[11:59] <veristead> cuz i dnt have it installed yet
[11:59] <veristead> i need to backup my hard drive first
[11:59] <kbrooks> o
[11:59] <veristead> takes a little while to do
[11:59] <kbrooks> i'll grab the .deb, mz2
[11:59] <Pocky> I think my HD is broken.
[11:59] <kbrooks> thx