[10:17] <pasc> 'lo
[10:18] <pasc> what do I have to do to get an account on malone to file bugs on baz?
[10:19] <SteveA> do you have an account on the ubuntu.com website ?
[10:21] <SteveA> the account details are the same -- that is, you log in with the same email address and password.
[10:24] <pasc> ah great
[10:24] <pasc> thanks
[10:25] <SteveA> who are you, and what are you doing with baz?
[10:25] <SteveA> and "hi!"
[10:25] <pasc> hi
[10:25] <Kinnison> pasc was at the ubuntu conference in mataro
[10:25] <Kinnison> he was lifeless' debian AM IIRC
[10:26] <pasc> heh
[10:26] <pasc> hi daniel
[10:26] <pasc> SteveA: I believe we had a discussion on the relative merits of uk powerplugs and their ability to be used as hunting implements or construction material
[10:29] <Kinnison> their primary purpose is to destroy knees and feet
[10:30] <SteveA> odd then that safety was the motivation for the design.
[10:30] <SteveA> hurrah for tunnel vision.
[11:02] <pasc> is it possible to attach a file to a bug report?
[11:55] <ddaa> SteveA: pasc is a baz fanboy
[11:55] <ddaa> he also happens to be a froggy, like me
[11:56] <ddaa> except, in addition, he's autralian
[11:56] <ddaa> yeah... yeah... I guess the brits are going to say it's much for just one man ;-P
[12:04] <pasc> ddaa: =-)
[12:05] <ddaa> ;-)
[12:05] <ddaa> yeah... malone is said to be "still rough"
[12:05] <ddaa> i did not actually try it yet
[12:05] <pasc> heh
[12:05] <pasc> well the baz website said to use that
[12:06] <ddaa> they did attempt to migrate to malone
[12:06] <kiko_zzz> "they"?
[12:06] <ddaa> from yesterday's meeting, it looks like they might stay on bugzilla for a little while
[12:06] <ddaa> kiko_zzz: the baz devels
[12:07] <kiko> ddaa, do you have a log of that meeting to forward to brad, mark and I so we can ensure the feature goals are reached?
[12:07] <ddaa> gne?
[12:07] <ddaa> it was on #canonical-meeting
[12:08] <ddaa> so it's ubuntu-logged
[12:08] <kiko> no chance you could snip the relevant bits for us? :)
[12:08] <ddaa> but nothing specific about malone was said that I could remember
[12:08] <pasc> from my point of view, it was non-trivial to report a bug to baz
[12:08] <pasc> (using malone)
[12:08] <pasc> if only because i couldn't figure out how to login ;-)
[12:08] <ddaa> it was just lifeless sketching the baz1.2 roadmap
[12:09] <ddaa> pasc: I suggest you file a bug on that one ;-)
[12:10] <kiko> pasc, was the main issue the user account issue, or also something to do with the bug filing workflow?
[12:10] <pasc> kiko: the user account issue
[12:10] <ddaa> kiko: he just said something about malone being "in the too hard basket for now"
[12:11] <pasc> kiko: it's a pretty major problem at the moment though. I mean the baz website says: "We are moving to a new bugtracking system that integrates the Bazaar bugs and fixes with information about what Ubuntu releases have the fix in it. Please file new bugs in Malone."
[12:12] <kiko> indeed
[12:26] <lifeless> kiko: bradb: to enlarge on ddaa's comment: I'm considering stopping using Malone in the interim, its too hard to manipulate the volume of bugs we need to - its slower in terms of UI and # of steps, and also slower in performance, than bugzilla.
[12:27] <kiko> lifeless, we have a week of design in Canada next week to get malone "working"
[12:27] <lifeless> kiko: bradb: we are migrating too malone, but you cannot just switch one off and one one, the guys have been filing bugs on Malone, and its looking like there are a number of things that we cannot even represent in malone at the moment.
[12:27] <lifeless> for example, enhancements
[12:27] <kiko> lifeless, could I ask you to email brad, mark and I a top-10 list of malone issues that we could work on at short notice?
[12:27] <lifeless> aka feature requests.
[12:28] <pasc> btw, no one answered my question before. Is it possible to attach something?
[12:28] <kiko> I know it's extra work for you but it avoids the paper mountain here going out of control
[12:28] <kiko> pasc, not at the moment, no.
[12:28] <lifeless> kiko: I'll round up a list of 10 at tomorrows team meeting.
[12:28] <kiko> thanks, lifeless, I really appreciate it
[12:28] <pasc> also, will there be a mail interface?
[12:28] <kiko> yes, there will.
[12:28] <pasc> cool
[12:29] <kiko> malone is really in infancy, and its workmodel is decidedly unusual, but it's got a lot of potential 
[12:29] <lifeless> pasc: there a bunch of dds who want this usable.
[12:29] <lifeless> ;)
[12:30] <kiko> that's seriously understating it
[12:31] <pasc> lifeless: ;-)
[12:33] <pasc> is there a specific reason why stuff is being show to which people don't have access?
[12:34] <lifeless> yeah, there were to many links to futz around.
[12:34] <lifeless> it will all be active soon anyway.
[12:56] <bradb> lifeless: Enhancements are a really important thing. To my understanding, sabdfl doesn't want to use Malone for feature requests. He wants /another/ app to deal with those.
[12:57] <lifeless> bradb: thats fine, it can be bugzilla for now. But dealing with two TODO lists will make life really hard.
[12:58] <lifeless> I don't care how many backend apps do stuff, I want *one* todo list for the release.
[12:58] <bradb> yep, I agree 110%
[12:58] <bradb> I haven't gotten sabdfl to agree with me on that yet though. :)
[12:59] <lifeless> bradb: a straw poll at pants palais got 5-1 results on 'enhancements are bugs with a flag'
[12:59] <bradb> they are indeed.
[01:00] <pasc> ;-)
[02:38] <kiko-afk> sabdfl?
[07:11] <kiko-afk> daf?
[07:11] <daf> kiko.
[07:12] <kiko-afk> daf, dude, can I fit in a phone call with you?
[07:14] <daf> hmm, let me just check something
[07:14] <kiko-afk> sure
[07:15] <daf> I think we're just about to have dinner here
[07:15] <kiko-afk> I need a good 30 minutes
[07:15] <kiko-afk> so maybe postpone by an hour?
[07:16] <daf> sounds good
[07:16] <kiko-afk> okay
[07:16] <kiko-afk> you ping me, okay?
[07:16] <daf> sure
[07:16] <kiko-afk> thanks, I'm overburdened