[12:00] <Pocky> and my computer case is heating up considerably.
[12:00] <veristead> Lowry why do you have iSight?
[12:00] <jdub> don't use ubuntu-backports
[12:00] <veristead> i want to see someone actually use it
[12:00] <jdub> you'll have all kinds of problems upgrading in future
[12:00] <Pocky> I should prolly shut it off.
[12:00] <veristead> maybe you can IM me
[12:00] <veristead> using iChat AV
[12:00] <veristead> cuz i want to see it working
[12:00] <poppo> hey guys , can anyone pls tell me -  how many cds does ubuntu take ?
[12:00] <kbrooks> jdub, i only need the debian file for xchat 2.4.1
[12:00] <Agrajag> 1
[12:00] <kbrooks> thats all.
[12:01] <Pocky> 1
[12:01] <kbrooks> 1
[12:01] <jdub> kbrooks: don't mix repositories, it will only lead to pain
[12:01] <kbrooks> jdub.........
[12:01] <jdub> kbrooks: if you want to test the devel branch, do that
[12:01] <poppo> k thanks, now may i know why is that  good ppl from ubuntu are sendin 10 cds ?
[12:01] <Pocky> just got some of those printed cd's in the mail, and it refuses to install on my PC.
[12:01] <Pocky> I have the X86 one.
[12:01] <jdub> kbrooks: but a) mixing debian and ubuntu will hurt b) ubuntu backports are in no shape to use sanely
[12:01] <dem> how do you add a script so it's boot on start
[12:01] <dem> from init
[12:02] <crimsun> dem: update-rc.d's man page will help
[12:02] <kbrooks> jdub, then what do i do?
[12:03] <jdub> kbrooks: dwell in the wonderful, supported luxury of warty, or upgrade to the exciting world of hoary
[12:03] <Pocky> see you people
[12:03] <adam__> how does one install the dev tools?  I just installed ubuntu and need to install the nvidia driver, thanks
[12:03] <kbrooks> jdub, okay. i guess i'll upgrade. and the steps to do this are?
[12:04] <jdub> kbrooks: see the hoary upgrade guide in the wiki
[12:04] <jdub> adam__: the nvidia driver is already installed on your system
[12:04] <jdub> adam__: install nvidia-glx
[12:04] <Tuxicity> jdub, I use the backports..
[12:04] <jdub> adam__: and read the guides about this on the wiki
[12:04] <jdub> Tuxicity: you're going to have a hell of a time upgrading to hoary
[12:04] <dem> and how do i pull ubuntus, kernel source / and restriced modules
[12:04] <adam__> apt-get install nvidia-glx?
[12:04] <jdub> adam__: yes, after reading the guides on the wiki
[12:04] <dem> so i can add agp patches, nvidia patches
[12:05] <adam__> sorry but i dont have graphics and web browsing is difficult to say the least
[12:05] <Tuxicity> jdub, what if I remove the backports b4 upgrading?
[12:05] <kbrooks> i'll try the backports first
[12:05] <kbrooks> be right back.
[12:05] <Lowry> 6.8.1-1ubuntu11 on ppc?
[12:05] <jdub> Tuxicity: the packages won't be removed
[12:05] <Serengeti> jdub so in fact one can't have the best of both worlds, by best i mean stability of warty desktop and sweet features of say, new firefox? i thought ubuntu backports are something kind of a compromise...
[12:05] <jdub> kbrooks: dude
[12:05] <Lowry> how do I get it?
[12:05] <jdub> kbrooks: that will make your hoary upgrade break
[12:06] <jdub> Serengeti: we have six monthly releases. some people are just waaaay too impatient, or too scared to test.
[12:06] <kbrooks> jdub, okay. errr, link me too the article for upgrading to hoary
[12:06] <crimsun> Serengeti: if you don't plan to upgrade smoothly to hoary, it's great. When your dist-upgrade breaks, you keep all the pieces.
[12:06] <jdub> kbrooks: it's in the wiki, you'll be able to find it easily enough
[12:07] <Serengeti> jdub, I see, this best of all possible worlds sometimes happen to be a cruel place :)
[12:07] <adam__> apt-get install nvidia-glx did not work
[12:07] <veristead> :-\
[12:07] <veristead> fuck
[12:07] <adam__> it worked but startx did not work
[12:07] <veristead> my iPod jst melted
[12:07] <veristead> i swear to god
[12:07] <veristead> holy shit
[12:07] <veristead> it jst sparked an melted
[12:07] <neighborlee> anyone  know why mozplugger doesn't play sound ( trying to play video preview for startrek episode at startrek.com <<) in firefox ..only mozilla itself..im using the mozplugger 1.52 from ubuntu....( or is this a known bug ?)
[12:08] <veristead> FUCK
[12:08] <kbrooks> i'll sed :P
[12:08] <adam__> what is the command to install the dev tools?
[12:08] <veristead> FUCKITY FUCK FUCK
[12:08] <crimsun> adam__: "dev tools?"
[12:08] <lavigj> hey guys, quick question, what can I do if there's a package I want, that synaptics can't find in its list? I think there's a deb package...
[12:08] <jdub> veristead: keep it nice please
[12:08] <adam__> gcc etc
[12:08] <crimsun> adam__: build-essential
[12:08] <occy> veristead: don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.
[12:08] <veristead> adam_ "make install <which ever folder/ directory it is>
[12:08] <occy> veristead: or better yet, don't.
[12:08] <crimsun> occy: what did you need?
[12:09] <dem> how do i get the hdparm init script to start on boot
[12:09] <occy> crimsun: heh, tag you are it!
[12:09] <crimsun> eep
[12:09] <occy> crimsun: ;)  Let me dig up my pastebin url.
[12:09] <ZoKi> how do i register on this network ?
[12:09] <yokomo_> anyone here get fluxbox to work on ubuntu?
[12:09] <crimsun> occy: k. You may have to repaste; pastebin expires quickly.
[12:09] <yokomo_> I can't seem to get it to allow me to change the background
[12:09] <veristead> zoki: /msg nickserv register <password>
[12:09] <lavigj> is there a way to download the debian package, point synaptics to it, and then have it install?
[12:10] <adam__> How do i install the kernel source tree?  the nvidia driver failed but made it further this time
[12:10] <lavigj> yokomo_: fluxbox won't let you set it within flux. you need to use other apps
[12:10] <crimsun> lavigj: there're gnome-terminal, wget, sudo, and dpkg
[12:10] <ZoKi> thanx veristead
[12:10] <jdub> adam__: use the nvidia driver provided with ubuntu
[12:10] <lavigj> yokomo_: I think that feh will
[12:10] <occy> http://pastebin.com/230916
[12:10] <yokomo_> lavigj, that is the most absurd thing I have heard all day
[12:10] <adam__> That does not work
[12:10] <crimsun> occy: k.
[12:10] <occy> ahhh
[12:10] <lavigj> crimsun: ah, ok. so dpkg will let me install a debian package?
[12:10] <yokomo_> lavigj, the what?
[12:10] <adam__> I repeat, the ubuntu driver does not work(i have a 6800GT)
[12:10] <kbrooks> i love sed
[12:10] <adam__> it says something about no screens found when i startx
[12:11] <lavigj> yokomo_: fluxbox is a window manager, not a desktop environment. feh is a program
[12:11] <crimsun> lavigj: it's the only efficient way to install a Debian package.
[12:11] <veristead> :-\
[12:11] <lavigj> crimsun: ok. I assume that man dpkg will tell me how to use the tool>?
[12:11] <occy> crimsun: I'll have to catch you later, the laptop is down.. and I don't have that X log just now.  no worries buddy.  tx for checking back with me.
[12:11] <crimsun> lavigj: certainly.
[12:11] <veristead> i'm trying to see if it works
[12:12] <lavigj> crimsun: thanks
[12:12] <crimsun> occy: k, just ping me.
[12:12] <Serengeti> jdub, can additional repos containing, say, Sun's Java, also get in the way when upgrading to hoary?
[12:12] <adam__> anyone have an nvidia card?
[12:12] <yokomo_> lavigj, so why can I not set the background?  I get the styles to work but the background stays the same
[12:12] <veristead> the screen is still on
[12:12] <ZoKi> has anyone else been getting totem application error msg's after u have installed the nvidia driver ? or just me
[12:12] <veristead> jst you and God zoki
[12:12] <lavigj> yokomo_: because styles in fluxbox are not the same as the background. you have to use a separate program. there's nothing built in to fluxbox that will let it set the background with X
[12:13] <veristead> but he fixed it
[12:13] <ZoKi> cause sumtimes it will open up my movies npz, but at times it will just come up with an error
[12:13] <yokomo_> ...
[12:13] <crimsun> adam__: yep, quite a few here do.
[12:13] <yokomo_> I thought it the session rootCommand did that
[12:13] <adam__> What did you guys do to get a GUI?
[12:13] <lavigj> yokomo_: xsetroot is another program I *think* that will let it set it. if you google something like "fluxbox wallpaper howto" you can probably find some really good info, better than I can give you
[12:13] <crimsun> yokomo_: use the bsetbg script, or Esetroot, or ...
[12:13] <yokomo_> riiiight, i did that, but it's still not setting the background
[12:14] <kbrooks> i'm upgrading completely to hoary now
[12:14] <yokomo_> and I installed feh now
[12:14] <crimsun> kbrooks: much smarter choice than bp :)
[12:14] <yokomo_> I miss the old days of XP and change theme
[12:14] <lavigj> yokomo_: I would recommend googling it. It has been a while.
[12:14] <lavigj> crimsun: thanks, I was forgetting about Esetroot and those
[12:15] <kbrooks> what are the advantages and disadvantages of using backports
[12:15] <kbrooks> and why will hoary only use uft-8?
[12:16] <veristead> i sure hope this works
[12:16] <crimsun> kbrooks: advantage: you get "newer" packages. disadvantage: poorly-versioned backports will make upgrading to Hoary a nightmare.
[12:16] <ferris> what is the command to locate my kernel version?
[12:16] <crimsun> ferris: uname -r
[12:16] <kbrooks> wow
[12:16] <kbrooks> python is going to be upgraded :P
[12:17] <yokomo_> wow, the google answer
[12:17] <yokomo_> thanks all
[12:17] <Serengeti> kbrooks, when there's utf8, you don't really need anything else :)
[12:17] <ferris> crimsun, is 2.6.8.1-4-686 the latest kernel?
[12:17] <Azumanga> I installed ubuntu recently without worrying about the network (I couldn't figure out the right driver). Now I try modprobing what I think is the right driver (via-rhine), but while I get no errors, "ifup eth0" doesn't bring it up. Is there something else I need to configure / set to make the network come to life?
[12:17] <crimsun> ferris: for warty, yes (presuming security errata)
[12:17] <kbrooks> Serengeti, what do you mean?
[12:18] <crimsun> Azumanga: you need to configure /etc/network/interfaces
[12:18] <Serengeti> kbrooks, why worry about switching code pages when in utf8 you can encode all characters from all languages
[12:18] <adam_> nvidia-glx does not work.  can anyone with an nvidia card(6xxx) help me get a graphical interface?
[12:18] <lavigj> yokomo_: I told you what I knew, I didn't know more but I remembered finding a lot when I searched for it. sorry if that wasn't enough
[12:18] <kbrooks> Serengeti, ah, i get you now
[12:18] <HrdwrBoB> Azumanga: sudo network-admin
[12:18] <ferris> crimsun....ok... thanks... it looks like it is up to date then.... i was running a 386 kernel.... way to slow!
[12:18] <crimsun> or HrdwrBoB's suggestion, which is much nicer.
[12:19] <Azumanga> crimsun: I don't suppose there is some kind of automatic configurator for that? some dpkg-configure?
[12:19] <lavigj> hmmm... can ubuntu handle a linspire deb package?
[12:19] <crimsun> Azumanga: see HrdwrBoB's suggestion.
[12:19] <crimsun> lavigj: probably, but it's not recommended because the dependencies are unknown.
[12:19] <cafuego> adam_: Works fine (default setup) on my 5700
[12:20] <Serengeti> kbrooks, I am from Poland, there used to be 3 standards of encoding specific Polish characters. converting between encodings is a real PITA
[12:20] <kbrooks> Serengeti, but now?
[12:20] <adam_> It doesnt work fine here, ubuntu installed and dropped me to the cli.  I tried to install the nvidia driver and it says it cant find the kernel source tree
[12:20] <lavigj> crimsun: dang it. thanks..
[12:20] <HrdwrBoB> adam_: you need to apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> and then run nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:21] <adam_> omfg
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> you don't need to use the nvidia drivers from nvidia
[12:21] <Serengeti> kbrooks, well software became smarter and handles most of the conversions automagically
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> it's packaged already
[12:21] <adam_> that _does not work_
[12:21] <lavigj> I don't suppose I can slap RPMs into working
[12:21] <adam_> ahhh
[12:22] <Tuxicity> lavigj, why would you do that anyways?
[12:22] <crimsun> lavigj: with alien, generally you can. Again, not recommended because the dependencies are unknown.
[12:22] <Linforcer> a friend of mine is installing ubuntu and he needs the WEP code for his Wi-Fi Nerwork, any idea where he finds that out? ( I dont know much about wifi, but I take it the whole network uses this same code)
[12:22] <ZoKi> totem is fucking crap
[12:23] <Linforcer> i mprefer fucking women
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB> Linforcer: he had to define it himself
[12:23] <ZoKi> lol
[12:23] <Lowry> depends on wifi chip
[12:23] <adam_> hwardwarebob, you rule
[12:23] <lavigj> crimsun: ok, I kinda figured that would be the case
[12:23] <Lowry> some are more open than others
[12:23] <lavigj> Tuxicity: I have a program that I can't find a deb package for
[12:23] <mjr> Linforcer, he finds it out from the network admin
[12:23] <lavigj> Tuxicity: I am trying to avoid compiling it myself if I can
[12:24] <adam_> One last question, how do i enable 85hz?  it only gives me 60hz
[12:24] <Cindux> just tried out Ubuntu live
[12:24] <lavigj> crimsun: thanks though
[12:24] <Cindux> woah good
[12:24] <crimsun> lavigj: the ideal situation, of course, is to use a Ubuntu-provided .deb from the repositories.
[12:24] <lavigj> crimsun: yeah, unfortunately I can't find one for Nvu.
[12:24] <Serengeti> kbrooks, the big problem was that windows had its codepage, different from the ISO standard for eastern europe languages. and on Mac you had Mac's way. So when you opened Word for Mac document on your windows pc, things looked rather ugly :)
[12:24] <Cindux> does 4.10 come with GIMP ?
[12:24] <sladen> Linforcer: restricted probably has the firmware
[12:24] <cafuego> Cindux: yes
[12:24] <Tuxicity> lavigj, its not ideal to use a .deb from another distro, but i dont think it is much worse than compiling it..??
[12:25] <sladen> Cindux: yes
[12:25] <Lowry> mac can/could export for pc word
[12:25] <Cindux> oy good :p
[12:25] <cafuego> Cindux: if you can't find it, run 'apt-get install gimp'
[12:25] <Cindux> oh no i had no problems
[12:25] <Cindux> i tested the live cd
[12:25] <Cindux> loved it
[12:25] <lavigj> Tuxicity: oh well... there's definately not an ubuntu package
[12:25] <Cindux> burning hd copy now
[12:25] <HrdwrBoB> adam_: what is your monitor
[12:25] <Linforcer> sladen, well I told him his dad or the company that installed either set it upon installing, or it's in the booklet and has a default value
[12:25] <adam_> Viewsonic P95f+
[12:25] <lavigj> crimsun: is there a good guide that talks about compiling your own software on ubnuntu? i really don't want to bork my system
[12:25] <adam_> native res is 1600x1200
[12:26] <Serengeti> Lowry yes but not all mac users remembered to choose right conversion options
[12:26] <ZoKi> what do i have to do to mplayer so i dnt get an illegal operation error ??
[12:26] <crimsun> lavigj: the Debian New Maintainer's Guide is a good start.
[12:26] <Cindux> oh thats reminds me
[12:26] <lavigj> crimsun: ok, I will search for it
[12:26] <cafuego> ZoKi: Stop breaking the law
[12:26] <Cindux> when i tried out Gnoppix it said .mp3 was disabled
[12:26] <kbrooks> lets see...
[12:26] <Cindux> is 4.10 mp3 support disbaled to
[12:27] <HrdwrBoB> Cindux: by default, yes
[12:27] <Cindux> oh nows
[12:27] <cafuego> Cindux: Why would it not be able to play mp3s?
[12:27] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:27] <crimsun> Cindux: yes, you need to enable the 'universe' repository and install 'gstreamer0.8-mad'
[12:27] <jdub> Cindux: we can't ship mp3 related software; install gstreamer0.8-mad from universe.
[12:27] <Cindux> bla sounds kind of confusing
[12:27] <kbrooks> ok. i have a problem
[12:27] <Tuxicity> Cindux, it's easy, follow wiki
[12:27] <Lovechild> mp3 is covered by patents, the patent holder won't give a straight answer if we can ship it under the none commercial clause
[12:27] <adam_> how do you enable the universe repository?  I cannot install epiphany
[12:28] <kbrooks> adam_,
[12:28] <adam_> I thought epiphany came with gnome 2.6+
[12:28] <kbrooks> go into /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:28] <crimsun> it's in 'universe'
[12:28] <sladen> adam_: sudo $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:28] <mjr> adam_, it's in the package "epiphany-browser"
[12:28] <Cindux> k thanks
[12:28] <Cindux> um
[12:28] <mjr> since "epiphany" was already taken
[12:28] <kbrooks> sladen, that variable may not be set
[12:29] <crimsun> err, yes.
[12:29] <crimsun> epiphany-browser is in main.
[12:29] <Cindux> I need a new PC lol
[12:29] <crimsun> (thinko)
[12:29] <ZoKi> Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[12:29] <ZoKi> Illegal instruction
[12:29] <ZoKi> ??
[12:30] <crimsun> ZoKi: what cpu?
[12:30] <kbrooks> Also..................
[12:30] <ZoKi> amd 2.3gig
[12:30] <crimsun> ZoKi: dpkg -l mplayer-custom|grep ^ii
[12:30] <kbrooks> I would like to join in the ubuntu team
[12:30] <ZoKi> ii  mplayer-custom 1.0-pre5-0.6ub The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux
[12:31] <crimsun> ZoKi: the wiki tells you explicitly NOT to install mplayer-custom.
[12:31] <crimsun> ZoKi: instead, install mplayer-k7
[12:31] <ZoKi> ooo ok
[12:31] <kbrooks> and why shouldn't he?
[12:31] <adam_> hardwarebob, any idea on my refresh rate problem?
[12:31] <ZoKi> ok i'll try that
[12:31] <sladen> kbrooks: create yourself an account on the wiki and join in!
[12:31] <crimsun> kbrooks: because it's compiled with a cpu instruction that his cpu doesn't support.
[12:32] <kbrooks> crimsun, okay.
[12:32] <lavigj> shoot... why am I getting such low rates on my wireless card.
[12:32] <kbrooks> crimsun, i just was wondering..........
[12:32] <crimsun> kbrooks: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NewDevelopersAndMaintainers
[12:34] <Cindux> Anyone know a good site to buy refurbished desktop PC's ?
[12:34] <Cindux> i need to pick up a few for a network = /
[12:34] <sladen> lavigj: what type of wireless card?
[12:34] <ogra> kbrooks: this may be interesting too: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MaintainerCandidates
[12:34] <Lovechild> Cindux, Dell normally has some decent refub offers if that's what you mean
[12:34] <lavigj> sladen DWL-G650, I was getting good rates yesterday, but i don't remember what I did to get there yesterday
[12:35] <Cindux> hm it would be mostly for Programming / Web Design
[12:35] <Cindux> so i dont need nor want anything pointless
[12:35] <Cindux> 1.0ghz would be fine :D
[12:36] <lavigj> sladen: I did something like command rate 3
[12:37] <adam_> epiphany is installed but gnome doesnt add it to the menu and i cant start it from the terminal
[12:37] <lavigj> or something like that
[12:37] <melazyboy> Gah i think my install just borked
[12:37] <bassinboy> anyone have a canon powershop a85?
[12:37] <Cindux> for ?
[12:37] <bassinboy> powershot*
[12:37] <sladen> lavigj: what is ''good rate''?
[12:37] <Cindux> ?!?!
[12:37] <Cindux> refresh rate ?
[12:38] <crimsun> adam_: did you log out and back in to see menu updates?
[12:38] <Pluk> hes getting poor wifi speeds: low rate as in slow connection
[12:38] <lavigj> sladen: I am currently gettin 1Mbit. I am about 10 feet away fromt he router. I usually would think I should get at least in double digits
[12:38] <adam_> I rebooted the machine
[12:38] <Pluk> thats really konda slow
[12:39] <Pluk> no walls in between?
[12:39] <sladen> lavigj: that is a bit of a pain.  Any Microwave Ovens near?
[12:39] <ZoKi> are there any other good media players that i can install that will play everything ?
[12:39] <adam_> its in /usr/share/epiphany
[12:39] <lavigj> nope. not running definately. my router is near my stereo
[12:39] <melazyboy> What is the module install by xorg-fglrx-driver, It thinks its fglrx but when i modprobe fglrx i get a module not found, the apt install of the binary was successfull btw
[12:39] <Pluk> ZoKi, xine
[12:40] <sladen> ZoKi: they will all play everythin (mplayer,xine,totem).  The question is installing the necesary plugins for the various illegal formats
[12:40] <lavigj> sladen: I just ran iwpriv ath0 mode 3, and that sped things up a little bit
[12:40] <sladen> ZoKi: (something that Ubuntu cannot do by default for you)
[12:40] <lavigj> I am now pulling 18Mbit....
[12:41] <adam_> why do i have to jump through so many damn hoops to get my install setup?  is this normal?  how come epiphany isnt installed by default?
[12:41] <sladen> lavigj: excellent.  Do you think it'd be worth documenting that on the wiki so that other people can find it if they have a similar problem/
[12:41] <lavigj> sladen: possible, although I would still expect to get better than that
[12:41] <veristead> i got my ipod working
[12:41] <veristead> i am so happy
[12:41] <Cindux> what are punds in canadian dollars ?
[12:41] <Cindux> pounds*
[12:41] <sladen> adam_: Ubuntu installs Firefox by default.  And unfortunately CD-ROMs only hold 650MB
[12:41] <Cindux> like
[12:41] <lavigj> sladen: I know that my card won't do a lot, but it should be able to do that much at least
[12:41] <Cindux> what would 150$ CDN be in Pounds
[12:41] <Lovechild> hrmm libxine needs libflac4 but libflac6 is installed.. this isn't fair
[12:41] <lavigj> sladen: up to 24Mb/s
[12:41] <veristead> that is 6 to be exact
[12:42] <sladen> veristead: yeah!  Would be able to do a write up?
[12:42] <Tuxicity> Cindux, xe.com
[12:42] <Cindux> oy
[12:42] <Pluk> lol@ veristead
[12:42] <veristead> well.. not jst that...
[12:42] <sladen> lavigj: oh.  This is 54g ?
[12:42] <lavigj> sladen: yea!
[12:42] <veristead> it melted
[12:42] <veristead> literally
[12:42] <veristead> took me a while to erase it and see if it still worked
[12:42] <sladen> lavigj: you should be aware that if anything starts transmitting < 11Mb, everything drops down
[12:42] <veristead> but it works
[12:42] <veristead> it's now art
[12:42] <dem> is there anyway the restricted-modules
[12:42] <dem> http://www.minion.de/files/1.0-6629/
[12:42] <lavigj> sladen: I am the only one on this network. only wireless device
[12:42] <dem> to include the minion patches?
[12:43] <lavigj> sladen: hmm... up to 36Mbit... looks like that command did it
[12:43] <KungFuPANDA> Hi everyone
[12:43] <sladen> lavigj: not just your network, *any* 802.11b devices in the vacinity (eg.  The girl three doors down across the road) will drop it
[12:43] <lavigj> sladen: I would be willing to wiki this, but I don't have an account. do you?
[12:43] <KungFuPANDA> I'm not getting a bluescreen anymore and it's very cool
[12:43] <Pluk> the minion patches are obsolete now with current drivers?
[12:43] <sladen> lavigj: you can create one in the top-right hand corner
[12:44] <lavigj> sladen: even if you have mac authentication so that they should have no prayer in hell of connecting?
[12:44] <KungFuPANDA> Now it's just green instead.
[12:44] <KungFuPANDA> Help? T_T
[12:44] <Cindux> er dumb question
[12:44] <Cindux> where are pounds
[12:44] <Cindux> lol
[12:44] <Linforcer> in sgort does anyone her know anything about a green screen of death after what seems to be a successful install  (without security updates from the bet)
[12:44] <Linforcer> net*
[12:44] <KungFuPANDA> Uhm
[12:44] <KungFuPANDA> Waitasec
[12:44] <Linforcer> :S
[12:45] <sladen> lavigj: it's to do with the low-level networking protocol.  If there is somebody else on the motorway, you can't drive your 4-lane -hogging wide-load past
[12:45] <Linforcer> what? did you do something wrong after all?
[12:45] <sladen> lavigj: ...even if it's a foreign car
[12:45] <KungFuPANDA> There was two (2) things I think fails on booting
[12:45] <jdub> dem: what are they for? no documentation of the intention of the patches there
[12:45] <KungFuPANDA> lesse...
[12:45] <Pluk> lavigj, you could try changing the channel , do it in your AP
[12:45] <lavigj> Pluk: actually, I think i am the only one on this channel.
[12:46] <Pluk> sure you dont have neighbours? :)
[12:46] <lavigj> Pluk: if I reboot into windows, I can confirm. I believe I am the only one on this channel
[12:46] <KungFuPANDA> modprobe: FATAL ERROR
[12:46] <Linforcer> yeah the modeprobe: FATAL eroor, insterting blabla?
[12:46] <Linforcer> yeah
[12:46] <Linforcer> that isnt it I think
[12:46] <KungFuPANDA> yesh
[12:46] <Pluk> are the speeds in windows also bad lavigj ?
[12:46] <Linforcer> I have those too and the starters guide says how to fix it
[12:46] <KungFuPANDA> Blah
[12:46] <Linforcer> IF YOU DIDNT GET A GREEN SCREEN OF DEATH THAT IS
[12:46] <Tuxicity> Is ndiswrapper-utils included in Warty (fresh install)?
[12:46] <jdub> Tuxicity: no
[12:46] <KungFuPANDA> -_-
[12:46] <Tuxicity> jdub, in which repo is it?
[12:47] <KungFuPANDA> Maybe the cd I burned it to was too old.
[12:47] <KungFuPANDA> I'll retry tomorrow.
[12:47] <KungFuPANDA> But now: sleep.
[12:47] <Linforcer> no
[12:47] <Linforcer> that can't be it
[12:47] <KungFuPANDA> okay.
[12:47] <Linforcer> but
[12:47] <Linforcer> ...
[12:47] <Linforcer> man
[12:47] <Linforcer> I've never seen shit like that happen
[12:47] <jdub> Tuxicity: main
[12:47] <KungFuPANDA> Me neither.
[12:47] <Linforcer> linux bootup with a green screen of death
[12:47] <lavigj> Pluk: I genearlly get ~>36Mbit. for some reason, I need to run iwpriv ath0 mode 3 to connect at 54G speeds
[12:47] <Linforcer> hey
[12:47] <lavigj> Pluk: I am going to research this a bit
[12:47] <Linforcer> hold on one sec
[12:48] <KungFuPANDA> It's just GREEN.
[12:48] <Tuxicity> jdub, umm.. main? aint that on the CD?
[12:48] <lavigj> Pluk: I want to know what iwpriv is doing for me here
[12:48] <jdub> Tuxicity: no, only the desktop seed and ship seed are on the cd
[12:48] <Pluk> man iwpriv
[12:48] <jdub> Tuxicity: main is pretty huge, dude
[12:48] <KungFuPANDA> Maybe I have to wait
[12:48] <Tuxicity> jdub, but I did apt-get update?
[12:49] <sladen> lavigj: I suspect that's the command ("mode 3") to tell it to go into 54g mode
[12:49] <lavigj> sladen: probably, it might be "a" mode that's defaulting to b since my card won't support.
[12:50] <LostMonk> question, has anyone in here used mepis?
[12:51] <mikep> i have
[12:51] <Tuxicity> LostMonk, yes couldnt even boot, then magically booted, then couldnt install to HD...
[12:51] <LostMonk> wow
[12:51] <LostMonk> really?
[12:51] <kbrooks> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:51] <kbrooks>  /var/cache/apt/archives/gimp-data_2.2.2-1ubuntu1_all.deb
[12:51] <kbrooks> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:51] <kbrooks> hmmm.....
[12:51] <Tuxicity> LostMonk, but I thin k it was mostly bad luck
[12:51] <LostMonk> i have a crappy half onboard box, and it was rather easy
[12:51] <lavigj> sladen: Pluk: fwiw, iwpriv lets you perform driver specific functions with a driver
[12:51] <LostMonk> but i finally got my ubuntu cd's in the mail yesterday
[12:51] <LostMonk> and am wondering which is better
[12:52] <mikep> I like Ubuntu better than Mephis except for printer problems.
[12:52] <Tuxicity> LostMonk, clearly Ubuntu unless maybe if you're a super-duper-newbie
[12:52] <sladen> lavigj: ...like enabling 54g mode :)
[12:52] <sladen> lavigj: definately worth documenting!
[12:52] <LostMonk> what are the advbantages of ubuntu?
[12:52] <lavigj> sladen: yeah, could be. I guess more to my point, it might be different depending on what drivers you have.
[12:52] <kbrooks> HELLO?
[12:52] <kbrooks> HELLO?
[12:53] <LostMonk> as i have promepis beta on and no real issues
[12:53] <cardador> LostMonk: they are both debian-based, but for me Ubuntu is more polished and better supported
[12:53] <MrKeuner> hi, how can I boot system without a grub installed using install cd binary-1?
[12:53] <Pluk> lavigj, what does iwconfig ath0 rate 12 does?
[12:53] <mikep> wireless connection works in Ubuntu
[12:53] <pdaoust> speakina printer problems... anyone here handy with GhostScript on Ubuntu?
[12:53] <kbrooks> HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[12:53] <K-Rich> hey all
[12:53] <Tuxicity> LostMonk, Ubuntu is also garanteed to stay free...
[12:53] <kbrooks> ANYONE?
[12:53] <LostMonk> defenite plus
[12:53] <jdub> kbrooks: saying hello won't get you a useful response.
[12:53] <KungFuPANDA> kbrooks: Hey.
[12:53] <LostMonk> just ask your question
[12:53] <kbrooks> sorry. anyway
[12:54] <pdaoust> MrKeuner: you shouldn't need grub in order to install Ubuntu
[12:54] <jdub> kbrooks: you might want to raise a question.
[12:54] <kbrooks> i have a problem upgrading to hoary.
[12:54] <node> lol
[12:54] <LostMonk> is it more or less ram intensicve as mepis?
[12:54] <Pluk> kbrooks, hoary is beta and sometimes packages dont work ... this time gimp
[12:54] <lavigj> Pluk: returns an error, I tried that originally thinking it might tell it 54G mode
[12:54] <MrKeuner> pdaoust/ I installed it already but w/a a grub. Now I cannot boot, naturally.
[12:54] <KungFuPANDA> Does Dell Laptops hate ubuntu?
[12:54] <kbrooks> Pluk, duh
[12:54] <Pluk> wait for tomorrow then gimp will be fixed prollly
[12:54] <pdaoust> MrKeuner... ohhh, I understand
[12:54] <lavigj> BAM!
[12:54] <lavigj> 54G
[12:54] <jdub> KungFuPANDA: some hate linux, it seems. :)
[12:55] <KungFuPANDA> D'oh.
[12:55] <LostMonk> rofl
[12:55] <jdub> KungFuPANDA: there's a fair amount of stuff about them in the wiki
[12:55] <pdaoust> MrKeuner: you know, someone had this problem just recently. actually, I had that problem once too...
[12:55] <kbrooks> hmmm. i have a quick idea
[12:55] <kbrooks> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gimp-data_2.2.2-1ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[12:55] <kbrooks>  trying to overwrite `/etc/gimp/2.0/gimprc', which is also in package gimp
[12:55] <Pluk> D^oh
[12:55] <jdub> KungFuPANDA: i have a latitude x300, which works very nicely
[12:55] <kbrooks> gimp and gimp-data conflict
[12:55] <pdaoust> MrKeuner: unfortunately, I don't think anyone did find a satisfactory way of reinstalling GRUB into the boot record.
[12:55] <KungFuPANDA> I'm on an inspiron 1150
[12:55] <mikep> toshiba works also
[12:55] <lavigj> does ubuntu have a specific script for loading my hotplug card?
[12:55] <jdub> kbrooks: file a bug with the full output
[12:55] <kbrooks> maybe i could remove gimp and gimp-data and reinstall both of them
[12:55] <KungFuPANDA> All I get is a green screen.
[12:55] <node> my sony viao also works perfectly
[12:55] <Pluk> kbrooks, if you want to live risky: cd /var/cache/apt/archives and then dpkg-i --force-overwrite gimp****.deb
[12:55] <MrKeuner> pdaoust/ if I can boot into it I am sure I can install grub somehow
[12:55] <node> vaio even
[12:56] <mikep> everything things works except printer
[12:56] <jdub> kbrooks: it's just that gimp-data doesn't replace gimp
[12:56] <LostMonk> what kernel is ubuntu on right now?
[12:56] <jdub> (most likely)
[12:56] <pdaoust> MrKeuner: hmmmmmmmmm...... hmm. do you have any LiveCDs kicking around? perhaps a Knoppix CD or something?
[12:56] <Pluk> dpkg -i --force-overwrite i mean
[12:56] <cardador> LostMonk: 2.6.10 i think
[12:56] <jdub> LostMonk: warty ships 2.6.8.1, hoary ships 2.6.10
[12:56] <Pluk> --;
[12:56] <MrKeuner> yes I do but are you sure I need those? I have the ubuntu install cd.
[12:56] <LostMonk> uh
[12:57] <LostMonk> how do i tell which i got in the mail?
[12:57] <kbrooks> Pluk, thanks.
[12:57] <Pluk> yw
[12:57] <MrKeuner>  just need the lilo paramaeters to boot from /dev/hda6
[12:57] <jdub> LostMonk: you got warty
[12:57] <kbrooks> hmmm. dependecy problems.
[12:57] <pdaoust> MrKeuner: unfortunately I don't think there's a way to restore *just* GRUB from the install CD... at least, I haven't found a way yet. You need a way to boot up the computer using some other OS (a LiveCD is great for this), and chroot into your hard drive.
[12:57] <jdub> LostMonk: which is the supported version
[12:57] <kbrooks> a few packages are not configured yet.
[12:57] <jdub> pdaoust: the install cd is 'some other os' ;)
[12:58] <LostMonk> well, i heard the 2.6.10 kernel was having hardware issues anyway
[12:58] <LostMonk> thats why i asked
[12:58] <lavigj> hey guys, is there a place that my wireless startup script is stored?
[12:58] <pdaoust> jdub: fair enough... but I've never found a way to get to a console... I don't think...
[12:58] <jdub> LostMonk: we don't ship a vanilla 2.6.10
[12:58] <imi> hi
[12:58] <MrKeuner> pdaoust/  I won't install grub from that cd it just does not read from amd64 install one cd. I will just use that cd for booting, after that I'll download that package from the internet
[12:58] <jdub> pdaoust: alt-f2
[12:58] <Pluk> lavigj, /etc/network/interfaces
[12:58] <pdaoust> MrKeuner: if you can get to a console, here's what you do:
[12:58] <LostMonk> how ram intensive is ubuntu though?
[12:58] <surgen> how do you remove the ~ in front of your username?
[12:59] <pdaoust> 1) mount your main hard drive (e.g., mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1)
[12:59] <imi> how can i check the info about an ip? from the command line
[12:59] <crimsun> imi: what sort of info are you after?
[12:59] <LostMonk> what info?
[12:59] <pdaoust> 2) chroot into your hard drive (chroot /mnt/hda1 && source /etc/profile)
[12:59] <Pluk> imi, with whois and host
[12:59] <imi> crimsun Pluk i have vsftpd running, wanna check country, isp, etc.
[01:00] <bj_> ifconfig?
[01:00] <Pluk> then whois will work
[01:00] <pdaoust> 3) you're now in your hard drive-installed environment. Then you can use dpkg, aptitude, any other console-mode programs, and the changes will be made to your hard drive
[01:00] <pdaoust> MrKeuner: that's what works for me.
[01:00] <MrKeuner> ok pdaoust thanks
[01:00] <pdaoust> MrKeuner: good luck!
[01:00] <lavigj> Pluk: thanks a lot.
[01:00] <imi> check the ip's from the log
[01:00] <imi> how does whois work? i've tried whois -h ip w/o success
[01:01] <imi> i'm gonna play with whois. be back soon
[01:01] <Pluk> just whois ip address
[01:01] <Pluk> whois 128.4.35.396 :)
[01:01] <pdaoust> anyone savvy with Ghostscript in ubuntu? I can't seem to find the devices, which should be under /usr/local/share/ghostscript
[01:01] <Pluk> or whois www.ubuntu.com
[01:02] <lavigj> Pluk: do you know if there is a good guide to that file that's ubuntu specific?
[01:02] <Pluk> man interfaces
[01:02] <surgen> anyone?
[01:02] <lavigj> Pluk: doh! should have thought of that
[01:02] <Pxtl> Help!  My machine is running an ATI Radeon All-in-wonder, and Ubuntu boots with the default output to the TV.  I don't know how to switch it.
[01:02] <Pluk> :P
[01:02] <lavigj> Pluk: thanks :)
[01:03] <Pxtl> Anybody know a hotkey to switch screen output device?
[01:03] <Vjaz> Pxtl: radeontool does that for laptops, but i think it might not work on a desktop
[01:04] <KungFuPANDA> I think I found out what the problem with the dell inspiron is
[01:04] <KungFuPANDA> It says it runs fine with an upgraded bios
[01:04] <Pxtl> Vjaz - but there's no hotkey?
[01:04] <KungFuPANDA> upgraded to A05
[01:05] <LostMonk> cya later people
[01:05] <lavigj> Pluk: any other suggestions, that didn't answer all my questions.
[01:05] <lavigj> Pluk: I am tryhing to find out what options I can pass through there
[01:05] <Pxtl> Radeontool would probably work for the A-I-W - I've seen the similar programs for laptop-type output to what the Radeon uses on my desktop.
[01:06] <imi> can someone find my server not having a domain name and not being advertised? just my home pc with a static ip
[01:06] <Pxtl> The problem is that my TV's resolution makes it hard to read the screen and _find_ the Radeontool.
[01:06] <Vjaz> Pxtl: well you could always bind it to some "hotkey"
[01:06] <Pluk> then man iwconfig will prolly work
[01:06] <Pxtl> So I was hoping for a hotkey already bound.
[01:06] <Pxtl> I guess not.
[01:06] <Vjaz> ah, ok
[01:06] <Vjaz> well I don't think that's so generic
[01:06] <Pluk> you could try to search for madwifi forums
[01:06] <lavigj> Pluk: ok, thansk again
[01:06] <Vjaz> Pxtl: it's quite hardware specific I think
[01:07] <Pluk> they're responsible for the atheros wifi driver
[01:07] <lavigj> Pluk: well, I found options on madwifi, I just didn't know if that would pass them to the card as if it were the iwpriv command
[01:07] <lavigj> Pluk: if I used /etc/network/interfaces
[01:07] <imi> i've put up some movies to my ftp server for a few hours (for friends) someone has hit my server, and i don't who that can be.
[01:07] <Pluk> im having atheors too btw
[01:07] <lavigj> Pluk: ah ok
[01:07] <Pluk> and dont have to put any options except the wireless essid
[01:08] <Pluk> and my wep key ofcourse
[01:08] <lavigj> Pluk: well, I do have the wireless_key in there too
[01:08] <lavigj> Pluk: yeah
[01:08] <imi> Pluk what do you think? vvv
[01:08] <imi> i've put up some movies to my ftp server for a few hours (for friends) someone has hit my server, and i don't who that can be.
[01:08] <imi> can someone find my server not having a domain name and not being advertised? just my home pc with a static ip
[01:08] <Pluk> yeah imi ppl scan whole ipranges just looking for an open box
[01:08] <mebaran> imi: it is not impossible
[01:09] <mebaran> imi: they do scan for pc's to leech
[01:09] <node> imi, did u lose it ? ;)
[01:09] <Pluk> or if you have a nice 10mbit+ connection to use it as a dump for movies
[01:09] <imi> mebaran the ip belongs to the university of vienna.
[01:10] <Pluk> lol
[01:10] <Pluk> 10mbit+
[01:10] <node> so its probably 100+ ;)
[01:10] <imi> my server runs on my home cable connection
[01:10] <Pluk> ah ok
[01:10] <imi> the doubted ip belongs to the university
[01:10] <mcrandello> hi all. Anyone using the new ATI drivers?
[01:10] <Pluk> well the scanner just thinks its a enu connection
[01:10] <Pluk> did it get in?
[01:10] <Pluk> or just knocked the door
[01:10] <node> sure, my gf4 runs great on em ;)
[01:11] <imi> yea, it's open for anonymus. he read a readme.txt file
[01:11] <mcrandello> probably better than my r900 ;)
[01:11] <mcrandello> err 9000
[01:11] <mebaran> I am running the nv drivers and havent had any problems
[01:11] <Pluk> mcrandello, i do have fglrx running
[01:11] <mebaran> kernel update used to kill the drivers
[01:11] <mebaran> now
[01:11] <mebaran> they just go happily up the version latter
[01:12] <mcrandello> I'm getting things about the kernel module being the wrong version
[01:12] <mebaran> anoyone know why one would use modutils to update the modules loaded
[01:12] <mebaran> oh
[01:12] <cblack> do the stock ubuntu kernels support the tg3 driver?
[01:12] <Tuxicity> jdub, how to get ndiswrapper-utils without access to Internet??
[01:12] <imi> do cops sit in universities searching for illegal ftp servers? lol
[01:12] <mebaran> mcrandello: make sure you boot the right kernel
[01:12] <node> everyone know uni's do warez
[01:12] <mebaran> that happened to me
[01:12] <Pluk> cops prolly wont get acces on uni networks
[01:12] <Pluk> uni admins are kinda keen on privacy
[01:12] <lavigj> Pluk: I just found something. pre-up /sbin/iwpriv ath0 mode 3, added to /etc/networks/interfaces will activate G mode on a ceel.
[01:12] <mcrandello> hrm
[01:13] <lavigj> Pluk: I have no idea what that last word was supposed to be, lol
[01:13] <Pluk> lol!
[01:13] <imi> no, i mean someone looked at my server, from a university ip. i've deleted the doubted stuff since then
[01:13] <Tuxicity> How to get ndiswrapper-utils without access to Internet??
[01:13] <Pluk> ah i thought your ip was uni
[01:13] <imi> Pluk no
[01:14] <lavigj> Pluk: and I read farther to find out there's a better way... I will keep you posted
[01:14] <Pluk> lots of nerds on a univ connection scanning whole ipblocks
[01:14] <Pluk> thatll prolly work to set the rate 3 automatically at boot lavigj
[01:14] <node> nmap 192.169.0.0/24 :)
[01:14] <Pluk> but mine works at 54mbit auto so i dont think you have to set exra options
[01:15] <imi> Pluk yea he looked through the files, all i had was revolution os. he prolly saw it already ;) it's deleted now, so i don't get in trouble
[01:16] <Pluk> well with vsftpd it cant hurt much
[01:16] <mcrandello> using 2.6 kernel
[01:16] <Pluk> yeah mcrandello and X.org
[01:16] <mcrandello> oh
[01:16] <imi> if i get in jail, make sure to bring me a laptop with wifi, and some porn mags
[01:16] <mcrandello> was using XF 4.3 and an RPM with alien.
[01:16] <Pluk> :D sure will do
[01:17] <imi> thanks
[01:17] <mcrandello> I think I understand where I was being stupid
[01:18] <lavigj> gotta restart to test this stuff
[01:18] <Pluk> mcrandello, if you have a ubuntu kernel you could also install the fglrx driver from ubuntu
[01:18] <Pluk> no need to alienate rpms
[01:18] <bob2> win137
[01:19] <mcrandello> you wouln't happen to know what to add to get access to that would you?
[01:20] <mcrandello> apt get yeilds "E: Couldn't find package fglrx"
[01:20] <Pluk> try apt-cache search fglrx
[01:20] <Pluk> for xfree86 it will give xfree86-driver-fglrx
[01:21] <mcrandello> I see...
[01:21] <mcrandello> I'm still new at this debian based stuff
[01:21] <Pluk> :)
[01:25] <mcrandello> thanks for the help guys!
[01:30] <gt500> hell0w again :D
[01:30] <Tuxicity> gt500, hello friend
[01:31] <gt500> Tuxicity, :D
[01:31] <Tuxicity> gt500, you look in shape tonight ;)
[01:32] <gt500> Well i am :D
[01:33] <gt500> I wanna become a Maintainer ^_^ So , i'm creating my own page , and puttin' myself on the list :)
[01:34] <Tuxicity> gt500, interesting, you'd maintain which package?
[01:34] <gt500> 'cuz .. like gstplugins ... there's no divx/xvid plugin or mad plugin ...
[01:34] <gt500> i think a lot off people want to listen to mp3's ...
[01:35] <Tuxicity> gt500, that's true
[01:35] <daniels> gt500: at the same time, you have to be very, very, very careful with legality and what we can and can't redistribute
[01:36] <gt500> daniels, true .. still ..
[01:36] <gt500> xvid = free ... divx = free ...
[01:36] <gt500> downloading mp3's isn't legal ...
[01:36] <mjr> patent-encumbered
[01:36] <daniels> yes, but if they're covered by patents, then you need to tread very carefully
[01:37] <gt500> hmmm :/ true again :/
[01:38] <gt500> daniels, would you like to play mp3's on your machine ?
[01:39] <daniels> gt500: don't really care since I buy all my CDs and then rip them to Ogg Vorbis, but if it means that we get sued up the hizzay for distributing MP3, then no
[01:40] <gt500> distributiing ? who said anything about distributing ?
[01:40] <cblack> hrm. what's a direct url to download an ubuntu deb? i'd like to see if the ubuntu kernel supports the tg3 module.
[01:40] <daniels> gt500: well, presumably the software to play mp3s has to come from somewhere
[01:40] <daniels> cblack: it does
[01:40] <cblack> daniels: ahh. sweet. didn't know if they'd followed debian in removing it.
[01:41] <gt500> it's a plugin so people who have mp3's on there machine can play them ..
[01:41] <gt500> well , i'll see which package i'll keep up to date ...
[01:41] <daniels> gt500: ok, so presumably this plugin needs to come from somewhere, yeah?
[01:41] <gt500> uhu
[01:42] <daniels> so someone needs to distribute it
[01:43] <gt500> yeah ...
[01:43] <sladen> and who does that?
[01:43] <gt500> http://www.underbit.com/products/mad/
[01:46] <gt500> *sigh*
[01:48] <jdub> gt500: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:49] <gt500> jdub, duh, with hoary or universe enabled ...
[01:50] <jdub> gt500: it's in warty universe too
[01:50] <gt500> hmmm :/
[01:50] <jdub> gt500: perhaps you could better explain the problem you're having
[01:50] <gt500> jdub, i'm not having any problem ...
[01:50] <gt500> i just wanna become a maintainer ...
[01:50] <kbrooks> me too
[01:51] <jdub> put yourself on the new maintainers list
[01:51] <gt500> and i read all the docs , now i'm creating my own page
[01:51] <jdub> ok, cool
[01:51] <kbrooks> jdub, how?
[01:51] <ogra> gt500: its in universe you could learn to maintain packages and adopt it :)
[01:51] <jdub> kbrooks: it's in the wiki, see new maintainers stuff
[01:51] <kbrooks> jdub, please link me. ;)
[01:51] <jdub> ogra: it's part of a source package in main
[01:51] <jdub> kbrooks: it's easy enough to find in the wiki, dude
[01:51] <gt500> jdub, it isn't in the warty release ..
[01:51] <ogra> jdub: ouch
[01:51] <jdub> gt500: yes, it is.
[01:52] <gt500> :/
[01:52] <jdub> ogra: Source: gst-plugins0.8 :-)
[01:52] <ogra> gt500, kbrooks: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MaintainerCandidates
[01:52] <gt500> ogra , i know , i read info ...
[01:52] <ogra> jdub: :) (sure...)
[01:52] <gt500> first my own page
[01:52] <jdub> gt500: 'mp3' is not a really useful pitch for becoming a maintainer...
[01:52] <kbrooks> In order to become a maintainer, you must first be a member of the Ubuntu project.
[01:52] <kbrooks> What does that mean?
[01:53] <crimsun> it means you have to become a member :-)
[01:53] <ogra> gt500: if you want to be able to upload you need a valid, signed gpg key....get one
[01:53] <kbrooks> how?
[01:53] <gt500> jdub, it's just the whole package ... desktop stuff , art , etc ..
[01:53] <gt500> kbrooks, a profile on the site
[01:53] <crimsun> (e.g., 2 community council members have to vote "aye" for you, and you have to sign the CoC)
[01:54] <kbrooks> 2? :|
[01:54] <kbrooks> thats all?
[01:54] <kbrooks> 2?
[01:54] <kbrooks> no more? no less?
[01:54] <kbrooks> just TWO?
[01:54] <ogra> kbrooks: make a wiki page....make an contribution and let you approver in a community council meeing
[01:54] <crimsun> no fewer than 2, kbrooks.
[01:54] <kbrooks> a comtribution such as?
[01:54] <kbrooks> s/m/t
[01:54] <ogra> anything
[01:54] <kbrooks> sorry if i'm being annoying
[01:54] <crimsun> kbrooks: realize that just because you have those two votes does not mean you can upload any package to ubuntu :)
[01:55] <ogra> make a wallpaper, writea program, make a howto wikipage etc
[01:55] <ogra> kbrooks: you arent :)
[01:56] <gt500> well peepz , i'm off (it's 2 am here)
[01:56] <ogra> here too :)
[01:56] <gt500> i live in Belgium :D
[01:56] <gt500> and i'm tired ..
[01:56] <Lowry> Hi
[01:56] <kbrooks> crimsun,don't worry, i'll learn ubuntu by doing that :P and contributing of course
[01:56] <crimsun> kbrooks: :)
[01:56] <Lowry> How to I see if I have dri working?
[01:56] <crimsun> Lowry: glxinfo.
[01:57] <ogra> crimsun: so when will we se you on the CC agenda ?
[01:57] <crimsun> ogra: in time for 25 jan :)
[01:57] <Lowry> thx
[01:57] <gt500> asap :p
[01:57] <ogra> yay
[01:57] <lavigj> is it just me, or does ubuntu not have a great package selection?
[01:57] <ogra> finally
[01:57] <kbrooks> CC?
[01:58] <ogra> lavigj: enable universe (see the wiki how) there are 15000 pkgs
[01:58] <Lowry> xfree86-dri missing on display 0,0
[01:58] <ogra> kbrooks: community coulcil
[01:58] <gt500> community council
[01:58] <kbrooks> oh.
[01:58] <ogra> concil even
[01:58] <ogra> argh
[01:58] <gt500> hehe
[01:58] <ogra> :)
[01:58] <kbrooks> council
[01:58] <gt500> well peepz , i'm off , catch ya'll later ;)
[01:59] <crimsun> cya, gt500.
[01:59] <ogra> night from DE
[01:59] <CLucas916> whats the channel for ubuntu 64 bit?
[01:59] <gt500> night from BE :p
[01:59] <ogra> this one :)
[01:59] <CLucas916> lol ok
[01:59] <lavigj> ogra: I did.
[01:59] <kbrooks> CLucas916, here.
[01:59] <CLucas916> anyone running a 64 bit system?
[02:00] <lavigj> ogra: it just seems like everytime i try to find something that I could get as an RPM or under gentoo, I am not finding one in ubuntu
[02:00] <ogra> CLucas916: yup
[02:00] <crimsun> lavigj: such as?
[02:00] <ogra> lavigj: the naming scheme is different sometimes
[02:01] <CLucas916> or does anyone know if ubuntu64 is a pure 64 bit OS because some distros that have a 64 bit version just use a 64bit kernel but everything else is 32 bit. i dont know much on the subject but if anyone knows that would be great
[02:01] <genaro> lavigj: Try apt-cache search or synaptic
[02:01] <mjr> CLucas916, pure
[02:01] <ogra> CLucas916: 64 bit with additional 32bit libs (for running things like ooo)
[02:02] <lavigj> crimsun: nvu for one. it also seems like a lot of packages are out of date.
[02:02] <lavigj> genaro: using synatic
[02:02] <crimsun> lavigj: nvu has some serious packaging issues before it'll hit the repo.
[02:03] <lavigj> ogra: I have tried searching for description and name. don't get me wrong, I am liking ubuntu, but it's frustrating that i am stuck on firefox .93, and other things without a lot of messing around.
[02:03] <genaro> lavigj: There are instructions for installing some packages at http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:03] <genaro> lavigj: Including nvu
[02:04] <lavigj> genaro: there's one in the wiki too, for nvu. I will check out ubuntuguide's directions because the wiki ones did
[02:04] <lavigj> not work for me
[02:04] <ogra> lavigj: by definition stable systems recieve only security (or serious dataloss bug) updates
[02:04] <genaro> lavigj: If you want the latest stuff maybe you should try debian unstable
[02:04] <lavigj> ogra: how can I switch to the less stable? is there a guide for that?
[02:04] <kbrooks> genaro!
[02:04] <kbrooks> PLEASE!
[02:04] <ogra> lavigj: know how to edit your sources.list file ?
[02:05] <lavigj> ogra: I am pretty comfortable with that
[02:05] <lavigj> ogra, actually, where is sources.list. I am comfortable hand editing config files, but I am new to debian/ubuntu
[02:05] <ogra> lavigj: change all occurences of warty to hoary and do a dist-upgrade/smart-upgrade, but be aware, its the unstable branch
[02:06] <ogra> lavigj: /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:06] <lavigj> ogra ok. I may go for that...
[02:06] <CLucas916> thats ogra
[02:06] <lavigj> ogra, we shall see. :)
[02:06] <ogra> dont forget apt-get update to refresh the package lists after editing
[02:07] <lavigj> k
[02:09] <neighborlee> anyone know if there is a 'update notifier' planned for ubuntu ( similar say to what FC and suse and mdk for example use ) ??
[02:10] <ogra> neighborlee: its already in the unstable distribution (hoary) and works fine
[02:10] <lavigj> bam! thanks for the tip about ubuntuguide.org. that guide got it going.
[02:11] <jdub> neighborlee: yes, and it's called update-notifier...
[02:11] <jdub> neighborlee: if you're running hoary, install it now
[02:11] <dedalus> hi
[02:11] <Josip> I was "updating" the system, how can I roll back to the default configuration ?
[02:11] <kbrooks> okay
[02:12] <Josip> because many things got fooked up
[02:12] <kbrooks> i'm thinking of making a howto page
[02:12] <dedalus> does anyone haave a centrino
[02:12] <dedalus> ????
[02:12] <Josip> yes, me
[02:12] <Josip> IBM R50e 1,5GHz Centrino
[02:12] <Josip> but I haven't instaleld linux on it
[02:12] <CLucas916> dedalus, i do
[02:12] <dedalus> i got a problem with my ipw2100
[02:12] <dedalus> at my home it works
[02:12] <CLucas916> dedalus, whats the prob
[02:13] <Josip> can anyone help ? thanks .
[02:13] <neighborlee> ogra: ah ic..very nice ;-))
[02:13] <dedalus> but i can't change the channel
[02:13] <CLucas916> ah
[02:13] <CLucas916> its not a hardware problem btw
[02:13] <neighborlee> jdub: im using warty :(
[02:13] <dedalus> i think it's a problem of kernel
[02:14] <ogra> neighborlee: the very nice feature is the "upgrade with CD" option it has ;)
[02:14] <neighborlee> ogra:  slickkkk
[02:14] <CLucas916> dedalus, the only thing i can really say is to read the manpage of whatever application your using to manage your wireless card
[02:14] <Josip> anyone has an idea ?
[02:14] <Josip> or maybe reinstall everything but keep the /home dir
[02:14] <Josip> I can't backup it , haven't got blank cds atm
[02:15] <neighborlee> ogra: hmm  is hoary stable enough for everyday ( or close thereof if not) and if so can I safely upgrade from warty ?
[02:15] <ogra> neighborlee: surely not for _everybody_ but its in a quite good shape currently (which still could change though)
[02:16] <kbrooks> wtf i cant login
[02:16] <dedalus> CLucas916, thanks
[02:16] <kbrooks> to the wiki
[02:16] <CLucas916> no prob
[02:16] <neighborlee> ogra: yeah
[02:18] <kbrooks> is that so? i want ruby
[02:18] <kbrooks> but i isnt available
[02:18] <jdub> kbrooks: it'll be in universe
[02:19] <kbrooks> jdub, not ruby  or libruby
[02:19] <kbrooks> irb
[02:19] <ogra> irb - Interactive Ruby (irb) ?
[02:20] <ogra> or irb1.6 - Interactive Ruby (irb) 1.6.x ?
[02:20] <kbrooks> 1.8
[02:20] <JConnell> apt-get install irb1.8
[02:20] <ogra> or irb1.8 - Interactive Ruby (for Ruby 1.8) :)
[02:20] <jdub> they're all in hoary
[02:20] <poppo> greetings,  is instalation cd autorun ?
[02:20] <kbrooks> what?
[02:20] <ogra> kbrooks: but i'm on hoary
[02:20] <jdub> irb == irb 1.8.1 in hoary
[02:21] <ogra> kbrooks: btw: bugfixing/tracking is one of the best contributions you could do
[02:21] <kbrooks> i didnt completely upgrade to hoary
[02:22] <ogra> huh ?
[02:22] <kbrooks> i'm still on warty
[02:22] <ogra> so what means completely ?
[02:22] <swim> how can I install hoary x86_64? i take it there is no full iso available.
[02:23] <ogra> swim: this would be bd, then i couldnt work now....
[02:23] <ogra> bad even
[02:23] <swim> what?
[02:23] <kbrooks> swim, really simple
[02:23] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/release/warty-install-amd64.iso
[02:24] <ogra> swim ^^^
[02:24] <swim> thats warty ogra isnt it? I said hoary
[02:24] <kbrooks> get that, install it
[02:24] <kbrooks> and upgrade to hoary
[02:24] <dedalus> how can i do to use make menuconfig to recompile my kernel
[02:24] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-2/hoary-install-amd64.iso
[02:24] <dedalus> i'm not accustomed of ubuntu
[02:24] <swim> kbrooks, simply by changing all the apt repositories to hoary ?
[02:24] <ogra> swim: yup
[02:24] <kbrooks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-1/hoary-install-amd64.iso
[02:25] <kbrooks> or that.
[02:25] <ogra> swim: ut you could also help testing the install cd
[02:25] <swim> wait which  is better? upgrade or use the image?
[02:25] <ogra> but even
[02:25] <dedalus> it seems that the gcc is too old
[02:26] <MrKeuner> hi, trying to install ubuntu on amd64. somehow grub installation quit because stage1 could not be read. Now I have a finished installed of ubuntu without a grub. How can I boot the new system using the ubuntu installation CD?
[02:26] <ogra> swim: the installer cd is a test version, the warty cd is stable do it as you like....if you use the install cd, please report bugs
[02:27] <kbrooks> ffs
[02:27] <swim> i mean as far as using hoary, is it just as good to install via the beta iso, or upgrading via a warty iso?
[02:27] <ogra> swim: ah, and take array2,thats newe... (there are also daily images)
[02:28] <swim> ogra where are the daily images?
[02:28] <benattar> Is there anyone offically associated with ubuntu's developement team?  The managing engineer in our datacenter would like to setup an official ubuntu mirror and I'd like to put him in touch with you folks
[02:28] <ogra> swim: i didnt try the difference here, but the array cd may contain bugs, while the warty cd may not support as much HW
[02:28] <benattar> I couldn't find any info on setting up an official mirror on the projects webpage
[02:29] <kbrooks> you know, i'll create a bittorrent of ubuntu
[02:29] <Tuxicity> benattar, ask jdub
[02:29] <swim> ogra understood,  where are the daily images?
[02:29] <ogra> swim: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/
[02:29] <swim> thx
[02:30] <ogra> swim: erm, and there is a weekly dvd ;)
[02:30] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/weekly-dvd/
[02:30] <kbrooks> why weekly
[02:30] <kbrooks> MrKeuner, use the live cd.
[02:31] <Tuxicity> kbrooks why u ask?
[02:31] <Tuxicity> kbrooks cause its a freakin dvd, i suppose!
[02:31] <jdub> kbrooks: because the dvd build is pretty chunky
[02:31] <kbrooks> Tuxicity, please be respectful.
[02:31] <Tuxicity> kbrooks, j/k
[02:31] <jdub> kbrooks: and having it changing a lot would not be useful for mirrors, etc.
[02:32] <jdub> not that anyone should be mirroring hoary daily/weeklies
[02:32] <kbrooks> jdub, and by chunky do you mean 'huge'?
[02:32] <jdub> kbrooks: huge and a lot of work for the machines to create
[02:32] <swim> ogra, should I go for the: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-1/hoary-install-amd64.iso    or the:   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/hoary-install-amd64.iso  ?
[02:32] <Tuxicity> jdub, benattar wanted to speak to a Ubuntu "official"
[02:33] <kbrooks> how do i fid out if i have truly installed hoary
[02:33] <kbrooks> find*
[02:33] <ogra> swim: in any case take array2 not array1 if you take the array cd....but i think its relatively safe to take the daily....(dont bet e if i'm wrong)
[02:34] <benattar> jdub, the managing engineer here in our datacenter would like information on setting up an official ubuntu mirror
[02:34] <redfun> new kernel. cool. I'm going to try it out because the previous one didn't fair very well for me. :P I'm still wth Linux heaven 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:34] <benattar> we have quite a bit of bandwidth (multiple OC192)
[02:34] <kbrooks> jdub, your name backwards is: budj
[02:34] <kbrooks> :P
[02:35] <swim> ogra, I dont really know what you mean by array 1 or 2...
[02:35] <ogra> swim: look at the first url you posted above
[02:35] <kbrooks> Guardiann, i am not a bot.
[02:35] <Guardiann> i was going to let you know
[02:35] <swim> oh duh ogra sorry
[02:35] <ogra> :)
[02:36] <Guardiann> but sorry
[02:36] <mazzabr> sometimes I feel bad, I usually come here only to ask :o)
[02:36] <kbrooks> Guardiann, its easy to do names backwards for me.
[02:36] <jdub> benattar: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/mirror/document_view
[02:36] <mazzabr> but I'll still ask :o)
[02:36] <kbrooks> for example my name backwards is
[02:36] <redfun> lots of brazucas (brazilian guys) getting by here. cool
[02:36] <mazzabr> about pr command.
[02:36] <ik-G4> hi
[02:36] <ametade> Hi everybody
[02:36] <jdub> redfun: brazucas is an awesome word
[02:37] <Guardiann> very amazing talent kbrooks
[02:37] <redfun> hey portuga :P
[02:37] <ametade> I'm a Ubuntu user from Portugal
[02:37] <kbrooks> skoorB elyK
[02:37] <mazzabr> I can't understand the --columns=N
[02:37] <poppo> guys ,  is ubuntu cd bootable ?
[02:37] <mazzabr> $ pr --columns=N
[02:37] <kbrooks> poppo, yeah
[02:37] <Guardiann> poppo yes
[02:37] <redfun> jdub, indeed :P
[02:37] <kbrooks> live cd and install cd, yes.
[02:37] <poppo> cool .
[02:37] <dedalus> i would like to use make menuconfig to recompile my kernel
[02:37] <ametade> Are you from Portugal Redfun?
[02:37] <kbrooks> dedalus, and?
[02:37] <dedalus> but i got a gcc prob
[02:38] <poppo> why  are  good guys from ubuntu sendin 10 cds ?
[02:38] <dedalus> i think
[02:38] <redfun> ametade, not really. I'm from brazil as well. :-)
[02:38] <kbrooks> Guardiann, thanks btw for the compliment
[02:38] <dedalus> how can i upgrade it
[02:38] <mazzabr> redfun, #ubuntu-br
[02:38] <genaro> poppo: becouse it is as expensive as 1
[02:38] <mazzabr> redfun, we can talk in portuguese
[02:39] <genaro> dedalus: what kind of problem?
[02:39] <dedalus> i would like to install  a more recent version of gcc
[02:39] <kbrooks> dedalus, state your problem
[02:40] <dedalus>  HOSTCC  scripts/basic/fixdep
[02:40] <dedalus> /bin/sh: line 1: gcc: command not found
[02:40] <dedalus> make[1] : *** [scripts/basic/fixdep]  Erreur 127
[02:40] <genaro> dedalus: I'm not sure installing a newer gcc for compiling the kernel is a good idea
[02:40] <kbrooks> going overboard wont do
[02:40] <kbrooks> genaro, it isn't.
[02:40] <ogra> dedalus: there is o compiler at all
[02:40] <ogra> no even
[02:41] <kbrooks> ogra: are you saerious
[02:41] <ogra> dedalus: install the build-essential package
[02:41] <genaro> dedalus: Try installing gcc in the first place. Try "sudo apt-get install kernel-package"
[02:41] <ogra> dedalus:  gcc: command not found
[02:41] <dedalus> thanks a lot and really sorry
[02:41] <ogra> dedalus: is quite an easy error :)
[02:41] <kbrooks> dedalus, for what?
[02:41] <genaro> dedalus: nothing to be sorry of
[02:42] <ogra> dedalus: why do you recompile ?
[02:42] <genaro> dedalus: The default install has not a lot in development tools
[02:43] <dedalus> i know but i was under debian before
[02:43] <dedalus> and i had it
[02:43] <dedalus> so i didn't take care
[02:43] <dedalus> i want to recompile to install ndiswrapper and activating other option
[02:44] <ogra> dedalus: you should better take the ubuntu package for that
[02:44] <dedalus> cause everything works except iwconfig channel
[02:44] <dedalus> i have ndiswrapper
[02:44] <ogra> ah, ok
[02:44] <sladen> genaro: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:44] <dedalus> i'm with you wireless lol
[02:45] <ogra> heh
[02:45] <kbrooks> genaro, and type in your user password
[02:45] <genaro> build-essential is for building packages, not kernels
[02:46] <sladen> genaro: a CD is limited to 650MB.  IIRC, gcc and friends are actually shipped on the CD, but not installed (limited number of desktop users need C Compiliers...)
[02:46] <mazzabr> can't figure out what this command really does: $ pr --columns=10 test.txt
[02:46] <mazzabr> what does it do?
[02:46] <genaro> sladen: They are in hte cds but they are not installed by default
[02:46] <sladen> genaro: it depends on 'minor' things like 'make' and 'gcc', which you'll probably find are quite helpful
[02:46] <ogra> mazzabr: man pr ?
[02:46] <kbrooks> mazzabr, man pr
[02:46] <mazzabr> already tried.
[02:46] <ogra> pr - convert text files for printing
[02:46] <kbrooks> mazzabr, re read it
[02:47] <mazzabr>        -COLUMN, --columns=COLUMN
[02:47] <mazzabr>               output COLUMN columns and print columns down, unless -a is used.
[02:47] <mazzabr>               Balance number of lines in the columns on each page.
[02:48] <kbrooks> brb.
[02:48] <ogra> mazzabr: so it converts the txt to a file with 10 columns per page i guess
[02:48] <genaro> slalen: That's the whole point of kernel-package: make, gcc, etc.
[02:48] <kbrooks> i'm restarting xchat.
[02:48] <dedalus> other question since i remember it
[02:48] <mazzabr> ogra: but it is truncating phrases.
[02:48] <dedalus> how to disable system bip
[02:49] <kbrooks> yay
[02:49] <kbrooks> finally
[02:49] <kbrooks> i'm on hoary
[02:49] <Ex-Asleep> yay
[02:49] <veristead> i'm determining if i want to install ubuntu on my laptop
[02:49] <veristead> or my desktop
[02:49] <veristead> cnt decide
[02:49] <ogra> kbrooks: did you already reboot after the upgrade ?
[02:50] <genaro> veristead: What packages do you need?
[02:50] <Pluk> why noy both veristead ? :)
[02:50] <Pluk> not*
[02:51] <veristead> pluk thought about it... the only thing is if i do my laptop i won't be able to have all the stuff i have on it now
[02:51] <genaro> veristead: Remember Ubuntu is very gnome centered. If you need somethink from KDE things can get a little frustrating
[02:51] <veristead> genaro: cnt KDE compile on it?
[02:51] <genaro> veristead: How large is your hard drive?
[02:51] <Tuxicity> veristead, this is a personal decision
[02:51] <veristead> only 10GB
[02:52] <veristead> i need to save some for OS X though
[02:52] <ogra> genaro: whats your prob with kde in ubuntu ?
[02:52] <veristead> if i want to have OS X
[02:52] <ogra> genaro: 3.2 is in warty 3.3 in hoary
[02:52] <veristead> Panther takes up a shit load
[02:52] <genaro> veristead: You can compile KDE, but the point of a precompiled distro is not having to do so...
[02:52] <veristead> of space
[02:53] <veristead> genaro this is true.. as is i have KDE compiled on top of Apple's X-Windows system (X11)
[02:53] <genaro> ogra: I have no problem, it is not as supported a gnome
[02:53] <kbrooks> ogra, DO i have to reboot
[02:53] <Guardiann> yes kbrooks
[02:53] <ogra> genaro: it will be, there is the kubuntu project that cares for it :)
[02:53] <Pluk> kbrooks, you prolly got a new kernel
[02:53] <Vjaz> kubuntu, ugh, what a name
[02:54] <kbrooks> i dont think i did.
[02:54] <ogra> kbrooks: sure, you got a new kernel
[02:54] <kbrooks> ogra, really...
[02:54] <kbrooks> hm. ok, i'll reboot.
[02:54] <ogra> kbrooks: to make a new kernel work you need to reboot
[02:54] <Vjaz> I wonder if people these days reject name starting with K for their projects because people would think that it's a KDE project...
[02:55] <swim> so ogra you use hoary x86_64 ?
[02:56] <ogra> swim: yup
[02:56] <swim> ogra its ok?
[02:56] <ogra> swim: the only disadvantage are missing flash and java plugin....but thats to blame macromedia and sun....
[02:57] <Pluk> ogra you can have java
[02:57] <ogra> Pluk: plugin
[02:57] <swim> do you happen to use wireless?
[02:57] <Pluk> yeah plugin
[02:57] <ogra> swim: not the buildin broadcom of this lappie... :(
[02:57] <Vjaz> How good is Ubuntu's support for power management currently?
[02:58] <ogra> Pluk: url ?
[02:58] <kbrooks> rebooted.
[02:58] <Tuxicity> ogra, if a package is only available as 32-bit, will it work on x86_64?
[02:58] <Pluk> ogra, im looking for it its somehwere on the ubuntuforums
[02:59] <Pluk> i have it running on another box here
[02:59] <ogra> Tuxicity: if it is compiled on amd64 ... probably...(there are 32bit libs to support that)
[02:59] <kbrooks> hmmmm
[02:59] <swim> ogra, ndiswrapper 1.0 rc3 has 64bit support now
[02:59] <Pluk> ogra, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1537&highlight=java
[02:59] <swim> and there are drivers for broadcom 64bit now
[03:00] <ogra> swim: great, i will try it....
[03:00] <Pluk> blackdown.org has a x86_64 java
[03:00] <dedalus> do you know how to disable system bips
[03:00] <veristead> i g2g
[03:00] <veristead> cya tommorrow
[03:00] <swim> ogra, yah ive used it it works :)
[03:00] <ogra> hmm
[03:01] <ogra> i'll try it... currently i have no tome to fiddle with my system, i need it to work....but on the weekend :)
[03:01] <ogra> swim: thanks for the hint :)
[03:01] <swim> ogra, yah supper cool
[03:02] <|QuaD-> heh... does anyone else have a problem with numlock turning off in hoary?
[03:04] <dedalus> bye guys it 3am here
[03:04] <dedalus> i'm starting to be tired
[03:04] <dedalus> thanks a lot
[03:04] <ogra> dedalus: here too :)
[03:04] <dedalus> ogra from where ???
[03:05] <ogra> but you remind me...
[03:05] <ogra> .de
[03:05] <dedalus> ok
[03:05] <ogra> you ?
[03:05] <dedalus> france
[03:05] <ogra> bonsoir :)
[03:06] <dedalus> gute nacht
[03:06] <ogra> oui, et bonne nuit
[03:06] <ogra> night all :)
[03:06] <ik-G4> salut
[03:06] <dedalus> tu parles franais ???
[03:06] <ik-G4> oui
[03:07] <dedalus> france
[03:07] <dedalus> ???
[03:08] <ik-G4> oui
[03:09] <swim> ogra, you wouldnt happen to know how easy it will be to install on an hdd that already has linux distro on it ? (archlinux) Id like to dual boot archlinux, and ubuntu x86_64
[03:09] <dedalus> d'ou
[03:09] <dedalus> ??
[03:13] <swim> ogra, where are you?
[03:13] <kbrooks> swim, easy enough
[03:14] <Guardiann> kbrooks did you get hoary going
[03:14] <kbrooks> ffs
[03:14] <kbrooks> yeah
[03:14] <kbrooks> rebooted
[03:14] <Guardiann> very good
[03:14] <swim> kbrooks, is there a howto ? or...
[03:16] <setite> why wont gaim direct-connect with AM
[03:16] <setite> AIM
[03:16] <setite> is there a linux aim client that works
[03:16] <setite> what abotu skype
[03:16] <setite> anyone>?!
[03:17] <Tuxicity> setite, well gaim works for me, though I dont have an AIM account, just Yahoo and MSN
[03:17] <setite> yea it works through MSN... but not on AIM
[03:18] <setite> i dont think its been implemented because i dont see a direct connect button
[03:18] <swim> kbrooks, where are you? :)
[03:18] <setite> but when i get a request it fails
[03:18] <setite> ill get skype
[03:18] <setite> whoa nvm
[03:18] <setite> internet telephone
[03:18] <setite> i thought it was a chat thingy
[03:18] <optyk> both
[03:19] <Tuxicity> setite, AIM not implemented in gaim? it started as an AIM client, should work?
[03:19] <setite> no aim direct connect
[03:20] <Tuxicity> setite, oh, dont know that
[03:20] <swim> kbrooks, Ill brb then you can tell me :)
[03:20] <zenrox> setite,  the aim part of gaim is direct connected every time
[03:21] <setite> not direct connected to other users
[03:22] <zenrox> setite,  yes when availible
[03:22] <zenrox> you just dont nodice it
[03:22] <zenrox> notice it
[03:22] <blag> does anyone know what kernel version ubuntu 4.10 ships with?
[03:22] <setite> nah i think your confused
[03:22] <setite> direct connect requires a dialog requesting it
[03:22] <setite> with it you can send files through the IM box... and longer IMs... etc etc
[03:23] <blag> that would be the version of the linux kernel.....
[03:23] <zenrox> setite,  ok i am but that ant implemeted yet in it tho it might be in the cvs
[03:23] <lotmr> hi, im having some trouble installing unbuntu (just got my CD's) on a Athlon XP 2000+ with 512mb PC133 ram and a older CD drive. When I boot from CD i get a kernel panic, specifically "No init found." how can i remedy this. (This computer currently has debian installed)
[03:23] <setite> ok thats possible
[03:24] <setite> but how old is gaim
[03:24] <setite> because direct connect is old and should have been implemented by now
[03:24] <zenrox> setite,  probly ya 4 years old or more
[03:25] <zenrox> setite,  thats a good question to put on gaim's forums
[03:25] <blag> have you tried boot options lotmr?
[03:25] <setite> i cant be the first person to ask though
[03:25] <blag> anyone know which version of the linux kernel ubuntu 4.10 ships with?
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> 2.6.8.2
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> 2.6.8.1
[03:25] <lotmr> i dont know what init= should point too
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> that one
[03:25] <pwnz3r> g'day people
[03:25] <zenrox> setite,  might find a way to get it to work
[03:25] <blag> hm
[03:25] <blag> thanks
[03:26] <thully>  /leave #ubuntu
[03:26] <genaro> chau
[03:26] <genaro> good nights
[03:27] <mojo_> Hi!  Has anyone just upgraded (hoary) to xorg server and the new ati xorg-fglrx drivers?  I did but it appears that MESA is running my OpenGL.  Can anyone help with the config?
[03:27] <setite> MESA? or VESA
[03:27] <mojo_> MESA
[03:27] <melazyboy> mojo_: Having same problem -- ill get back when i have solution
[03:27] <setite> perhaps i should upgrade it
[03:28] <melazyboy> Haukkari: And running glxgears outputs error about dmi
[03:28] <setite> since im using 1.0.0 instead of the current 1.1.1
[03:28] <lotmr> er can anyone help me with my kernel panic? ("No init found.
[03:28] <blag> if you are running ubuntu 4.10 please go to a shell and type "cat /proc/version" and tell me what your linux version is... thanks!
[03:28] <melazyboy> Mojo: And running glxgears outputs error about dmi
[03:28] <mojo_> Mesa is the software OpenGL renderer library.  The fglrx driver should be doing the 3D in hardware
[03:28] <mojo_> glxgears... hang on
[03:28] <lotmr> wtf i just tried it for the 10th time and it works all of a sudden...
[03:28] <lotmr> wierd
[03:29] <Tuxicity> mojo_, ATI released new drivers?
[03:29] <melazyboy> Tuxicity: Yar the 17th
[03:29] <pwnz3r> Hey, does anyone know how to get the Audigy 2 LS going in Ubuntu?
[03:29] <setite> i dont see any AIM related bugfixes in the changelog
[03:29] <setite> pwnz3r it should work
[03:29] <pwnz3r> I forget the module names since I have not compiled ALSA as a module forever.
[03:29] <ycco> lotmr: right on
[03:29] <blag> if you are running ubuntu 4.10 please go to a shell and type "cat /proc/version" and tell me what your linux version is... thanks!
[03:29] <ycco> nomasteryoda: boo
[03:30] <mojo_> Tuxicity: Yes, ATI just released new drivers for XFree86 AND X.Org xservers.  ALSO - They released x86_64 versions as well.
[03:30] <pwnz3r> setite: It seems to not be working for my friend.
[03:30] <melazyboy> blag: uname -r, or kernelversion are better ways =D
[03:30] <mojo_> I think they came out on the 17th
[03:30] <pwnz3r> Oh well, I suppose we just load modules and go from there.
[03:30] <ycco> nomasteryoda: you ever talk to Kelly's Mom lately?  Make sure to tell her to tell Kelly to call us and stuff. :)  give her my email address:   occy@occy.net
[03:31] <mojo_> melazyboy: Is glxgears a stand alone prog?  The Gears and Gears (Planetary) screen savers run for me, just dog-slow 'cause of the software OpenGL rendering
[03:32] <mojo_> pwnz3r: When I installed Warty it detected my Audigy2 ZS Platinum Pro and installed the emu10k1 drivers auto-magically
[03:32] <melazyboy>  mojo_ Glxgears i a very shitty demo of glrendering it outpouts framerates to the console, and the rule of thumb is if your not getting AT LEAST 1k than something is screwed up im not concered with FPS though now, im more consered with extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:32] <blag> i don't care how you do it...i just need the full version number ;)
[03:32] <CLucas916> can someone be kind enough to send me their sources.list?
[03:32] <CLucas916> for warty
[03:32] <blag> melazyboy: actually kernelversion doesn't list the full name
[03:32] <blag> so i guess no one in #ubuntu is actually running the newest version of Ubuntu Linux! WOW!
[03:33] <mojo_> pwnz3r: I also managed to get the remote working with lirc.  The trick is you have to pass an initialization string to the midi channel to get the external box reading the ir input
[03:33] <melazyboy> blag I am on hoary
[03:33] <melazyboy> blag: How ever i don't know what version of ubuntu im using =/ i broke the desktop meta package
[03:33] <Pluk> just tuned in again and running hoary
[03:33] <ycco> ugh
[03:33] <ycco> that was quick
[03:33] <ycco> heh
[03:33] <Tuxicity> mojo_, are they available for Warty?
[03:33] <blag> netsplit?
[03:34] <Pluk> yupz
[03:34] <melazyboy> mojo_: Type this in console as root 'modprobe fglrx' tell me what is outputted
[03:34] <mojo_> melazyboy: Okay... I ran fglrxinfo and it gave me that same error, but I was not sure if that was right.  Is that command for the xorg server or just the xfree86 one?  I am not sure
[03:34] <CLucas916> can someone be kind enough to send me their sources.list?
[03:34] <CLucas916> for warty
[03:34] <mojo_> Tuxicity, I have upgraded to Hoary for some time.  So I don't know
[03:34] <blag> i would Clucass but i can't boot into mine because i don't the linux kernel version for 4.10
[03:34] <melazyboy> mojo_: either glxgears is universal
[03:34] <CLucas916> lol
[03:35] <blag> uname -r
[03:35] <mojo_> melazyboy:  I get nuthin!  No response when I type that (with or without sudo)
[03:35] <blag> type into a shell running ubuntu 4.10 and tell me what it says! it'
[03:35] <blag> it's easy!!!!
[03:35] <Tuxicity> CLucas916, here if u wish
[03:35] <melazyboy> mojo_: Type lsmod and tell me if you see fglrx listed
[03:36] <CLucas916> Tuxicity, it failed. the router probably blocked the port
[03:36] <CLucas916> Tuxicity, could u send it through email?
[03:36] <melazyboy> mojo_: lsmod | grep fglrx
[03:36] <mojo_> melazyboy: lsmod lists it first, size  229568  used by 0
[03:36] <blag> is anyone here runny The Warty Warthog?
[03:36] <Tuxicity> CLucas916, I'll put it on pastebin
[03:36] <mojo_> melazyboy: i can't walk and chew gum that fast ;-)
[03:36] <CLucas916> Tuxicity, thank you
[03:37] <melazyboy> mojo_: Your driver is installed then, your one step ahaid of me --  edit your xorg.conf file read the driver being used by your video card
[03:38] <mojo_> melazyboy: Okay.  even on root terminal modprobe gives no response.  Yes, the driver is loaded.  What am I looking for in the xorg.conf file?
[03:39] <mojo_> Section "Device"
[03:39] <mojo_> 	Identifier	"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9800 Pro (R350 NH)"
[03:39] <mojo_> 	Driver		"ati"
[03:39] <mojo_> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[03:39] <mojo_> EndSection
[03:39] <melazyboy> boom
[03:39] <mojo_> FROM THE /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[03:39] <Tuxicity> CLucas916, there u go, some lines are supposed to be on 1 line, be carefull
[03:39] <melazyboy> change the driver from ati to xorg, hold ctrl alt and hit backspace, login and try again
[03:39] <melazyboy> err
[03:39] <melazyboy> no
[03:39] <mojo_> xorg?
[03:39] <melazyboy> from ati to fglrx
[03:39] <melazyboy> sry
[03:40] <mojo_> yeah, i woulda thought fglrx too,
[03:40] <mojo_> he he
[03:40] <melazyboy> not thinking trying to fix my slightly more complex problem of doom
[03:40] <mojo_> okay i will (hopefully) be back in a few...
[03:42] <CLucas> Tuxicity, sorry about that
[03:42] <CLucas> is it on pastebin now?
[03:42] <kbrooks> netsplit o.o
[03:42] <mojo__> melazyboy u there?
[03:42] <Tuxicity> CLucas, it is
[03:42] <melazyboy> always.
[03:43] <melazyboy> mojo: always.
[03:43] <Tuxicity> CLucas, u might want to comment out some of the repos, it's not my original sources.list, i added some repos
[03:43] <mojo__> okay... lemme check my settings.  That ctrl-alt-bs was a violent shutdown, man.
[03:43] <CLucas> Tuxicity, ok. thank u
[03:43] <Tuxicity> CLucas, np
[03:44] <mojo__> root@alembic:/home/tlepes # fglrxinfo
[03:44] <mojo__> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[03:44] <mojo__> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[03:44] <mojo__> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9800 Pro Generic
[03:44] <mojo__> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)
[03:44] <melazyboy> mojo__: Yes i aucutally had a problem with that as well today, that seems to be a new problem to my most recent dist-upgrade, devel distros have to love them -- thats supposed to restart xwindows
[03:44] <melazyboy> mojo__: Awesome type glxgears
[03:44] <melazyboy> mojo__: If you don't have it apt-get install glxgears
[03:44] <mojo__> glxgears popped up a little window with insanely-fast spinning gears...
[03:44] <mojo__> 14967 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2993.400 FPS
[03:45] <melazyboy> mojo__: Awesome, read to me what is outputted by the console
[03:45] <melazyboy> There we go
[03:45] <melazyboy> mojo__: Your set
[03:45] <melazyboy> mojo__: Thats the card im using as well im excited
[03:46] <mojo__> melazyboy:  Yeah, thanks for the help.  I am excited too... I wanted to use xorg server because it supports alpha compositing
[03:46] <KlingElf> Hey all
[03:46] <mojo__> melazyboy:  Also, I have Ubuntu64 installed on another partition, so now I can go 64-bit with ATI support!  YAY (fina-fn-ly) ATI!!!!
[03:47] <KlingElf> No matter how I try to format the partition that I want to install Ubuntu on, it refuses to. When I format for Ext2 through the debian installer, it says that there are errors, when I know there aren't any. When I try to format with the Ubuntu installer itself, it gives me errors
[03:47] <KlingElf> Anybody have experience with this before?
[03:48] <melazyboy> mojo__: BTW don't ever look at fglrx, ive been doing this for a long time, and insanely fast usually equates to somewhere over 300fps, its hard to judge different levels of insanely fast =D xorg is in my opinion just gimmick
[03:48] <CLucas> whats the difference between multiverse and universe with the sources.list?
[03:48] <melazyboy> mojo__: ATI blows, ill never buy another card from them, and thats my troll worthy comment of the day!
[03:49] <Tuxicity> CLucas, Universe is Debian unstable, Multiverse has some non-free stuff, i think
[03:49] <mojo__> melazyboy: i just said insanely fast 'cuz the gears were spinnin wild in the window.  I've never seen glxgears (other than the screensaver version) before to know how it runs otherwise.
[03:49] <CLucas> Tuxicity, whats multiverse?
[03:49] <melazyboy> mojo__: its not fair why won't mine work =/
[03:49] <mojo__> melazyboy: what do you mean by xorg is a gimmick????
[03:50] <mojo__> melazyboy: i only installed from sources with synaptic/apt
[03:50] <scoon> KlingElf, have you tried to boot from a live cd and fsck the partition you want to use ?
[03:50] <melazyboy> mojo__: it has a few new fetures which nothing other than a bloated window manager would botherwith, and a slightly modified license -- and so the world ends
[03:50] <Tuxicity> CLucas, "Software in the "multiverse" component has not been determined to be Free Software."
[03:50] <CLucas> ohhh
[03:51] <mojo__> melzay: so xorg is bloaty?  I thought it was a rewrite of xfree86 to modularize it or something.  I guess I don't really get the relationship between the two then.  Is there any other FOSS alternative?
[03:52] <bob2> melazyboy: how is it bloated?
[03:52] <KlingElf> scoon: Yup. Checks out clean
[03:52] <mojo__> melazyboy: I was considering xorg with Xfce4 as a lean, mean desktoppin machine setup...  hmmmm....
[03:52] <daniels> yeah, that driver support for newly-released cards is totally gimmicky
[03:53] <scoon> KlingElf, why not try and format it with the live cd and see if that won't help you thru your install troubles
[03:53] <mojo__> hey, my radeon 9800 pro is working with xorg.  that's a gimmick i can live with...
[03:53] <CLucas> what are some good ubuntu mirrors for sources.list?
[03:53] <melazyboy> mojo__: Its not bloated, it is modularized by my understanding, but who cares if your menus have 15 different levels of transparency with alpha fading and adv. lighting effects, personally i prefer the white on black menus, that render instantly rather than that, now granted i can have my cake and eat it too on xorg, meaning i can have it my way at no extra cost to you having it your way, but for me those fetures will never be used.
[03:54] <bob2> melazyboy: disable composite then
[03:54] <Tuxicity> CLucas, the official ones (in my sources.list) are fast
[03:54] <KlingElf> scoon: I've tried through the Debian installer, had a clean ext2 partition set up, can't get more simple. When I tried to mount it in the installer, it claimed that it had errors or somesuch
[03:54] <scoon> melazyboy, and since they are "modules" that get loaded on demand, not using them does not cost you any resource so there is no bloatware.
[03:54] <mojo__> melazy: well then thats a nice thing that it's modular... that is the point, right? to keep it lean for those who want it, and give just the xtras ppl want to the ones who want 'em????  What's not to like?
[03:55] <melazyboy> scoon: is that not what i just said...
[03:55] <daniels> xorg isn't modularised yet
[03:55] <CLucas> Tuxicity, yah i just want more
[03:55] <mojo__> melazy: I am not a bloat-fan, but I am runnin an Athalon64 and 1Gb of system memory and a video card with hardware 3D and 128Mb memory... Why have all that if I can't enjoy somethin pretty?
[03:55] <Tuxicity> CLucas, dont think there are others
[03:55] <CLucas> oh really?
[03:56] <setite> whoo sudo su
[03:56] <daniels> (i think this discussion is now offtopic here tho -- try #xorg)
[03:56] <setite> finally figured out how to get to root
[03:56] <Tuxicity> CLucas, well maybe the ones that are on ubuntu.com/download
[03:56] <melazyboy> mojo__: Its not that i don't like it, it's just that for me, someone who thinks gnome is a bloated UI, stands to get no benefit from xorg, the conf files are the EXACT same (afaik) the benchmarks for what i do are the exact same -- i don't even think the newist version of gnome utilizes the new xorg fetures, i think only kde utilizes them as of now
[03:57] <daniels> melazyboy: (the driver support in terms of how many cards are supported is a lot better, and there are roughly a hojillion bugfixes)
[03:57] <bob2> setite: sudo -
[03:57] <bob2> s
[03:57] <mojo__> melazyboy: I'm a command-line vet with Amiga and dos before there WAS a MSWindows... but I am a visual person too... the extra bits of the alpha channel, I can afford that.  It's really a cheap hardware trick and not so bloaty as you might imagine.
[03:58] <melazyboy> didn't know about the hojillion bugfixes, Xfree worked fine for me, xorg is new -- i use it for that, most that use it use it because of that, not because of new fetures, I don't know anything about futher support for graphics cards, i thought everything that is supported under xorg works with xfree, ATI releases their drivers for both, and they suck at life, so i just assumed all manufatures would do the same thing
[03:59] <mojo__> melazy:  Well we may agree on Gnome... but I am open minded.  That is why I am now gonna give Xfce4 a try.  If you haven't, you should check it out.  They share your bloat-free sentiments as a core philosophy (so they say, anyway).  And they support xorg compoxiting anyway.  Go figure?
[03:59] <bob2> my main complaint about xfce is that it looks like CDE
[03:59] <bob2> which is a horrible thing for me to say, but someone needs to tell them
[04:00] <melazyboy> mojo__: (Die hard fan of *box, =/) no offense to those who prefer other OS, to every man his own.
[04:00] <melazyboy> err UI*
[04:00] <CLucas> is kde available for ubuntu
[04:01] <mojo__> melazyboy - I must agree that ATI, at least the company, really sucks for the most part.  But I think there hardware (at the time our cards were new, anyway) was really superb.  The nvidia stuff depended WAY too much on the CPU - at least back then (last year, lol, so long ago)
[04:01] <CLucas> (really dumb question)
[04:01] <bob2> CLucas: yes, but not supported
[04:01] <melazyboy> mojo__: Did you do a dist-upgrade today im experiencing a very weird problem
[04:01] <melazyboy> mojo__: I open two copies of firefox, close one, and both close
[04:01] <CLucas> bob2, ahh ok thanks
[04:01] <CLucas> im startin to like gnome anyways
[04:01] <mojo__> melazyboy: But ati support.. well.. I _guess_ I should be grateful they finally gave up xorg and x86_64 drivers.  But man, it took them long enough.
[04:02] <mojo__> melazy: yes, i dist-upgraded
[04:02] <melazyboy> hrm that was very odd.
[04:02] <mojo__> no, the second stays open.
[04:02] <melazyboy> mojo__: It stopped that was funny, before i opened a nautilus window, when i would open two windows of firefox and close one both would close
[04:03] <bob2> melazyboy: close or quit?
[04:03] <mojo__> melazyboy: i learned a long time ago on a helpdesk somewhere.. 20% of all problems refuse to manifest when a tech is near
[04:04] <mojo__> melazyboy: it's like they have esp, and know someone is lookin
[04:04] <kbrooks> manifest?
[04:04] <mojo__> he he
[04:04] <kbrooks> cause to show?
[04:04] <kbrooks> cause to.....say?
[04:04] <kbrooks> what does it mean
[04:04] <mojo__> kbrooks, yes, to show.  look it up at www.dictionary.com.
[04:05] <NetwrkMonkey> gag i work at a helpdesk
[04:05] <Vjaz> Is it a known bug in Warty that the keyboard layout doesn't get set for X?
[04:05] <mojo__> kbrooks... I learned a long time ago that what people call "problems" in tech support are really "symptoms".  The problem is not known until you find root-cause
[04:05] <NetwrkMonkey> sigh people don't even know how to resize a window
[04:05] <mojo__> So i talk in terms of symptoms manifesting
[04:06] <melazyboy> NetwrkMonkey: i remember having that problem way back when i first started w/ linux, you could only resize from the bottom right corner
[04:06] <kbrooks> melazyboy, when did you start with linux
[04:06] <kbrooks> what distro
[04:06] <melazyboy> kbrooks: Suse
[04:07] <kbrooks> melazyboy, did gnome or kde exist at that moment
[04:07] <melazyboy> kbrooks: long, long time ago, when i freshman in highschool someone bought a copy online i remember the stupid looking green lizzard which at then looked EXACTLY like the giko lizzard =/
[04:07] <kbrooks> ah high school
[04:08] <kbrooks> melazyboy, and did you buy it?
[04:08] <mojo__> Netwrkmonkey, helpdesk life can be frustrating.  The real skill set is dealing with people w/o making them feel intimidated.  I learnt that dealing with pharmacists.  These 60 year old guys didn't know jack shit about a PC, but you had to let them know you respected them.  I mean, what the heck do YOU know about their business?  They have a PhD, for heaven's sake!
[04:08] <KlingElf> No matter how I try to format the partition that I want to install Ubuntu on, it refuses to. When I format for Ext2 through the debian installer, it says that there are errors, when I know there aren't any. When I try to format with the Ubuntu installer itself, it gives me errors
[04:08] <KlingElf> Any ideas?
[04:08] <melazyboy> kbrooks: That i don't remember, suse was my first distro, and i remember having that problem -- it happens to most people who start off without using a modern UI
[04:09] <kbrooks> melazyboy, cool. what distro are you on now
[04:09] <melazyboy> kbrooks: No i didn't but i still have it lieing around someone i probably gave him a copy of starcraft for it for it something i single handedly made starcraft go gold
[04:10] <mojo__> KlingElf: Just curious, but why ext2 instead of ext3?
[04:10] <KlingElf> Only thing I could get the Debian installer to do
[04:10] <melazyboy> kbrooks: My favorite distro is debian, but i don't suggest it to anyone, I suggest Ubuntu its remarkable, I think ubuntu stands as the biggest threat to Microsofts desktop os market what they have done is incredable
[04:10] <NetwrkMonkey> yeah true
[04:10] <KlingElf> I also did ext3 with Partition Magic, but I got the same results
[04:11] <NetwrkMonkey> most of my caller's don't bother me
[04:11] <kbrooks> melazyboy, i agree with you. ;)
[04:11] <NetwrkMonkey> it's the people i have to deal with on my side of the phone
[04:11] <NetwrkMonkey> and the people who have to fix the programs
[04:11] <NetwrkMonkey> can be reall arses
[04:12] <msh_> hi
[04:12] <mojo__> melazy: we need a one-click script to find and install the proprietary media formats to be 'competitive' with windows.  decss, mp3, etc. must be easy for a noob to get and setup
[04:12] <msh_> does anyoen here use mutt as their primary email client?
[04:12] <mojo__> msh_ no, but I've heard of mutt.  I use thunderbird.
[04:12] <melazyboy> kbrooks: The great thing about ubuntu, what really makes it shine, is they relise most users don't know or care how their computer runs, they are fed up with windows, and they might want to dabble in linux, they want an easy install, and if given an option they will just slam enter -- take the options away from them, thats going the be the key to ubuntus success everything should be able to be reconfigured, but everything should pre
[04:13] <melazyboy> mojo__: we have that, VLC
[04:13] <mojo__> networkmonky - yeah, people in general are pretty capable of being asses.  But that's a our society for ya...  nothin you can quickly patch and upgrade
[04:14] <KlingElf> Well, there are ways...they're just not leagal in most countries...
[04:14] <mojo__> melazy: I was always really fond of the Amiga's philosophy of serving both... point and click if you want, but if you want, the full os power at command line is there
[04:15] <mojo__> I thought ubuntu was set up with gstreamer.  Or is VLC working over gstreamer?  I am not sure on what VLC is about
[04:16] <jdub> vlc is a totally different thing
[04:16] <jdub> the apps included/supported are gstreamer apps
[04:17] <mojo__> KlingElf... LOL there are ways....
[04:17] <melazyboy> mojo__: VLC is a program that emulates many propretary codecs without using .dlls, such as WMV9, regional DVD support, it stands to be the single easiest interface to use, but remains unpopular because most prefer a pretty skin over functionality (refrains from snide kde comment)
[04:18] <mojo__> melazy: so, like, there is xine, there is gstreamer, and now there is vlc frameworks?
[04:18] <melazyboy> mojo__: VLC works with a pure ALSA system, which mplayer currently still does not (without oss emulation) (but will in the next version), VLC plays all of the formats mplayer plays, or so i have found, and it does so in the default binary
[04:19] <Quest-Master> Is VLC better than MPlayer?
[04:19] <melazyboy> Im not sure how vlc fits into the picture of xine and gstreamer, VLC is independant from both of them (afaik) so i would assume that is a correct statement.
[04:20] <Tuxicity> melazyboy, i dont get it, VLC doesnt need the propriatary codecs??
[04:20] <melazyboy> Quest-Master: I prefer it, it lacks a bloated skin, has a wonderfull GUI option interface, supports SMB streaming/playback, and most all formats, its what i suggest when i hear -- What can i use to play movies on linux like WMV9. ( i assume with a question as such the user won't be able to compile mplayer )
[04:21] <melazyboy> Tuxicity: No, they have reverse engineered and created their own.
[04:21] <melazyboy> Tuxicity: see dvdbob on slashdot. i hope i got that name right, he is the coverman for the Video LAN organization
[04:22] <Tuxicity> melazyboy, can it play .rm Real Media files?
[04:22] <Quest-Master> melazyboy: interesting.
[04:22] <melazyboy> Tuxicity: Yes.
[04:23] <melazyboy> Tuxicity: Why don't you just apt-get it and try it, its not a big download
[04:23] <Tuxicity> melazyboy, should I apt-get "vlc" or "gnome-vlc" or what?
[04:24] <KlingElf> Hrm...Seems I'm not the only one with this problem...https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5549
[04:24] <Quest-Master> I am currently using MPlayer but have heard a ton about vlc
[04:24] <kbrooks> Tuxicity, apt-cache search it
[04:25] <mojo__> melazy... well, i may just try it to get some derned thing working.  somehow my install got gerflubbed with the last dist-upgrade or something, I don't know.. but totem immediately quites with a "resource busy or unavailable" message.  Real fn helpful there... and install of MPlayer freezes on "play".  Grrrr......
[04:25] <mojo__> But: I have just dist-upgraded again so maybe it will work... have not even tried it yet.  Hang on...
[04:25] <Tuxicity> kbrooks, im in synaptic, i know what packages are available, but which should I get?
[04:25] <melazyboy> Tuxicity: Your choice, i would just get vlc
[04:25] <mojo__> GRRRR
[04:26] <mojo__> Totem still balks
[04:26] <melazyboy> mojo__: Totem is trash imho
[04:26] <Tuxicity> melazyboy, i will try
[04:26] <Quest-Master> I agree, melazyboy
[04:26] <Tuxicity> melazyboy, it's not so much Totem, but xine
[04:26] <Quest-Master> I hate Totem.
[04:26] <melazyboy> Tuxicity: vlc is a meta package it has all of those other gtk/gnome/alsa etc i just apt-get install vlc, i never even bothered searching for it =D
[04:26] <Quest-Master> And rhythmbox
[04:27] <melazyboy> rhythmbox makes babby jesus cry
[04:27] <mojo__> Melazyboy, well, opinions are great and all but -just so ya know- you seem pretty snappy and hostile with yours.  not that you're right or wrong, just a friendly observation
[04:28] <mojo__> lol makes jesus cry... okay your funny too
[04:28] <mojo__> (that helps!)
[04:28] <mojo__> Well I think I will give VLC a go-round.  Does it have a plug-in for firefox?
[04:28] <neighborlee> upgrading to hoary is very temping I must admit..anyone thats done it had any major issues ? ( just curious other than what I've read in forums)
[04:29] <Quest-Master> Haha.
[04:29] <Quest-Master> VLC is awesome.
[04:29] <Quest-Master> :o
[04:29] <Tuxicity> mojo__, it has a mozilla plugin
[04:29] <melazyboy> mojo__: Well i have reasoning for it, to ever man his own i don't mind sharing my opinions usually they were formed through agravation, my opionions much like the defaults only change with good reason i dont like rythembox because its only job is to manage music and play mp3s, ive had problems with it working over samaba, and it doesn't work by default with a 'true-alsa' system without OSS emulation, as mine is
[04:29] <mojo__> What's VLC's homepage?
[04:29] <melazyboy> mojo__: mozilla-plugin-vlc
[04:29] <melazyboy> mojo__: videolan.org
[04:30] <Quest-Master> All VLC needs now is GTK2 support.
[04:30] <Quest-Master> This thing is pretty awesome.
[04:30] <mojo__> I was not big with rhythmbox either... I use xmms for familiarity but REALL REALLY want something visually unobtrusive with a good playlist/media library management.
[04:30] <Tuxicity> Quest-Master, i can see some gtk and gnome frontends for VLC in Synaptic
[04:31] <Quest-Master> Tuxicity: Yeah, they are not GTK2 though.
[04:31] <neighborlee> Quest-Master, I abondoned it for mozplugger as I could never get audio with some of my .mov files ;(
[04:31] <oyaji> hiya everyone
[04:31] <ions> any of you guys use Folding at home?  Know how to get it to autostart?
[04:31] <mojo__> I will be checkin out the vlc... VIDEOLAN?  You know, I think I *have* seen that.  They do streaming backends and such too, don't they?  Like a modular media architecture?
[04:31] <Quest-Master> neighbotlee: I will drop it if I have problems of those kind
[04:31] <melazyboy> mojo__: not sure quite possibly, i only use the VLC player
[04:31] <Tuxicity> neighborlee, mozplugger?
[04:31] <oyaji> rookie question: how do I edit the entries in the application menu in ubuntu?
[04:32] <mojo__> mozilla-plugin-vlc support Windows Media and Quicktime formats?  How about Realmedia?
[04:32] <Tuxicity> oyaji, right-click on it
[04:32] <melazyboy> mojo__: asking the wrong person, i worship it for what i use it for, however i don't watch movies through firefox, so i don't know about that
[04:33] <ions> no one runs Folding at home?
[04:33] <oyaji> that gives me the option to lock or remove from panel
[04:33] <neighborlee> Tuxicity, yeah so far thats only one I can get audio along with video at startrek.com which uses quicktime
[04:33] <oyaji> I wanted to add a few launchers to the applications menu, and maybe change some of the group names
[04:33] <mojo__> Heh... Vidoelan/VLC looks like they do everything but make morning toast.  Lets hope its modular (wouldn't want any bloat ;-)
[04:34] <Tuxicity> melazyboy, is VLC GPL'ed?
[04:34] <mojo__> ions: folding@home - thanks for the reminder.  I leave my sys on 24/7
[04:34] <melazyboy> Tuxicity: almost positive
[04:35] <mojo__> VLC is GPL'd
[04:35] <drspin> anyone a transgaming user?
[04:35] <chrismurf> Yes
[04:35] <chrismurf> Yay Counterstrike Source
[04:35] <Tuxicity> mojo__, curious, what's Folding@home?
[04:35] <mojo__> From the page "VideoLAN is free software, and is released under the GNU General Public License."
[04:35] <drspin> hmmm -- tell me hoe it works now -- I last used WineX 3.0 for Diablo 2
[04:35] <drspin> hoe=how
[04:36] <drspin> it was really FREE t hemn
[04:36] <LostMonk> does that site show what all packages ubuntu has?
[04:36] <drspin> *then
[04:36] <mojo__> Folding at home is kind of like SETI@Home.  It is for doing "folding" of complex protien molecules.  Protiens can have a variety of geometries, and that has a LOT to do with how they work.  Enzymes, for instance, work because of special shapes.
[04:37] <Tuxicity> mojo__, who runs folding@home? i mean who am i working for ?
[04:37] <mojo__> Anyway, thats a simplified answer.  The folding project creates "work modules" that you can have your PC process at home to help do the massive amount of calculating needed to map out the possible "folds" that long-chain protiens can do. It is a distributed application with volunteer CPU cycles from the public, out of (I Think) Stanford Univ
[04:38] <chrismurf> drspin: It has a frontend called point2play which works relatively well
[04:38] <mojo__> http://folding.stanford.edu/ for all your questions...
[04:38] <chrismurf> drspin: handles the install, and then has links to all the installed programs for easy launching.  Cedega is the name of the new WineX
[04:38] <drspin> chrismurf: I used Point2Play with 3.x as well -- it hasn't changed much in function...
[04:38] <mojo__> From the site...  Our goal: to understand protein folding, protein aggregation, and related diseases
[04:39] <LostMonk> what is the office suite that ubuntu uses?
[04:39] <mojo__> Open Office Org, or OOO for short
[04:39] <drspin> LostMonk: OpenOffice
[04:40] <Tuxicity> mojo__, my point is who benefits from the research? are the results shared?
[04:40] <LostMonk> argh
[04:40] <Tuxicity> LostMonk, OpenOffice
[04:40] <LostMonk> is there another out there besides open office?
[04:41] <Tuxicity> LostMonk, Gnome Office, KDE Office (but OO rocks!)
[04:41] <zenrox> and all thoes are just ripe off of OO
[04:41] <mojo__> Tuxicity, read the webpage.  It is a Stanford University project.  It is kind of like the genome project in a way.  Now that we have the 'codes' for protiens... the sequences, we need to understand how they "fold" and how they "mis-fold".  Mis-folds are responsible for many geneitic diseases, for instance.
[04:41] <randabis> If you want just a lightweight word processor, check out Abiword
[04:41] <LostMonk> well, i hadve open office on now with mepis
[04:42] <randabis> gnumerics is also a decent program
[04:42] <druzki> Hi, I installed Ubuntu on my second hard drive and now I cannot log in windows xp (which was on my first hd); GRUB does not even give me windows as a choice. Can anyone help?
[04:42] <randabis> sounds like you just need to edit grub
[04:42] <LostMonk> holy crap
[04:43] <LostMonk> koffice has everything
[04:43] <KlingElf> I seem to be having the problem detailed in this thread: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=38394&postcount=7 . Is it just me, or does the solution seem a bit risky?
[04:43] <cntrfit_axis> can someone help me with the installing process for ubuntu
[04:43] <cntrfit_axis> when i boot from the CD it keeps saying that it fails
[04:43] <druzki> randa is there a guide to editing grub anywhere ? how do i tell it to install windows?
[04:45] <drspin> how can I increase fps?
[04:45] <randabis> check the ubuntu wiki druzki
[04:45] <chrismurf> drspin: dunno - haven't had it for that long
[04:45] <mojo__> drspin: drop your pc into a black hole... time will speed up (j/k)
[04:46] <drspin> LOL --
[04:46] <LostMonk> rofl
[04:47] <melazyboy> mojo__: it will only speed up time relative to our time, for him he will be just as agravated and probably live out his whole life in only a small fraction of one of our seconds.
[04:48] <drspin> I don't like paying $5 to use Point2Play
[04:48] <setite> drspin... there is not much you can do... better videocard
[04:48] <drspin> setite: so I figured :/
[04:48] <setite> better drivers if they exist... and optimizing
[04:48] <mojo__> melazyboy... if he does a remote login, it will go fast relative to him ;-)  (of course I know much better than that, but suspension of beliefe is an important part of the joke)
[04:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> where do the defaults for new users reside?  i see only two files in /etc/skel, so it has to be somewhere else.
[04:48] <setite> a big thing... for example i couldn't play CS:S at all with an a64 3200+ and a 6800gt...
[04:48] <melazyboy> mojo__: hah
[04:48] <setite> but optimizing the game files makes a difference
[04:49] <Quest-Master> Aww. This sucks.
[04:49] <setite> limiting possible frames and such
[04:49] <Quest-Master> VLC can play everything besides trailers in Mozilla.
[04:49] <Quest-Master> :(
[04:49] <setite> depends on the game...
[04:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> in ubuntu, where do the defaults for new users reside?  i see only two files in /etc/skel, so it has to be somewhere else.
[04:49] <mattv> i tried to install today but it won't boot from the CD, can someone please help?
[04:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> also, what should be the permissions for / ?
[04:49] <drspin> codeweavers supports iTunes :)
[04:52] <diego> mattv: is your bios configured properly?
[04:52] <setite> codeweavers
[04:52] <setite> what is  better solution
[04:52] <setite> crossover office or vmwar
[04:52] <mojo__> melazyboy... Thanks for the help with my drivers earlier.  I am gonna check out for a while.  Peace all!
[04:52] <LostMonk> laterz
[04:52] <setite> bu y
[04:52] <mojo__> lata
[04:53] <melazyboy> later
[04:53] <drspin> setite: vmware is good but requires a full windows install (can come in handy)
[04:53] <mattv> yeah i configured it
[04:53] <diego> mattv: are you getting an error message? how far does the boot process get?
[04:54] <drspin> setite: I've used both and depends on what your intended uses are...
[04:54] <setite> now will vmware be able to use windows from a different parttition
[04:54] <drspin> setite: yes
[04:54] <setite> or do i have to install windows with vmware onto a fake partition
[04:54] <mattv> well the first machine i tried it on it just kept restarting itself
[04:54] <setite> ok cool
[04:54] <drspin> the "Use Physical Disk" option...
[04:54] <mattv> then the other one it just said failure to boot from CDROM and then went to windows
[04:54] <setite> ok.... now if only vmware would run
[04:55] <diego> mattv: interesting...and you burned the ISO correctly I would hope?
[04:55] <october> woop.
[04:55] <drspin> setite: understand that it will need some tinkering to get everything to work again as VMWARE emulates different PC hardware than the OS was installed and configured on...
[04:55] <setite> i tried the 5.something beta and 4.5 and neither will run
[04:55] <mattv> i got the CD in the mail
[04:55] <drspin> setite: any error messages
[04:55] <drspin> ?
[04:55] <october> Man... This PC setup and installed Ubuntu with virtually no problems at all.
[04:55] <drspin> setite: did you modprobe the vmware modules?
[04:55] <october> One of my first such experiences so far.
[04:55] <october> heh
[04:56] <Guardiann> woot fixed the soft link problem
[04:56] <diego> mattv: hmm...so you have a livecd as well then?
[04:56] <october> Anyone here know much about S3 Savage 4 video cards?
[04:56] <mattv> yeah
[04:56] <setite> i did nothing because i didnt know what to do
[04:56] <diego> mattv: will that one boot?
[04:56] <mattv> but it did the same when i tried it on my windows box
[04:56] <october> or how I can ascertain how much video ram I have?
[04:57] <diego> october: i believe my s3 virge had 2mb out of the factory, fyi
[04:57] <october> diego: ahhh, that is the reason it is the suck. ;)
[04:58] <october> It seems to only be doing 8bpp or something.
[04:58] <diego> october: teh uber suck...mine can't go over 800x600...at least on the drivers it's using by default
[04:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i disable sounds in ubuntu for specific events.  it won't let me choose a blank path for a wave.
[04:58] <drspin> setite: do you get any error messages when trying to start it?
[04:58] <october> diego: I had it working @1600x1200 heh
[04:58] <diego> october: WHAAAA? OMW HOW?
[04:58] <october> diego: might be your display...
[04:59] <diego> nah the display can do 1600x1200 @ 60hz
[04:59] <setite> yea lemme see whgat they are
[04:59] <october> diego: yah.... I put it down to 1280x1024 though.  but it's still in like 8bpp it seems.
[04:59] <setite> it cant find somethign
[04:59] <october> diego: odd.  Heh, and here I thought it was sucking.  I should be happy huh? ;)
[04:59] <setite> setite@ubuntu:~ $ vmware
[04:59] <setite> /usr/bin/vmware: line 84: /etc/vmware/locations: No such file or directory
[04:59] <setite> ldd: /bin/vmware: No such file or directory
[04:59] <setite> /usr/bin/vmware: line 189: /bin/vmware: No such file or directory
[04:59] <setite> /usr/bin/vmware: line 189: exec: /bin/vmware: cannot execute: No such file or directory
[04:59] <diego> october: hmm...i'll play with that. i think mine may be running at a higher bit-rate then
[04:59] <october> I'm setting this up for a friend.  I'll just get them a new video card.  It's a fairly decent PC.
[04:59] <october> diego: yeah, higher bitrate = good.
[05:00] <october> but this looks fairly smooth... except for the background image
[05:00] <october> :/
[05:00] <diego> october: higher res = good too though...it's a 19" monitor on 800x600
[05:00] <setite> root@ubuntu:/home/setite # vmware-config.pl
[05:00] <setite> Unable to find the database file (/etc/vmware/locations)
[05:00] <setite> Execution aborted.
[05:00] <setite> root@ubuntu:/home/setite #
[05:00] <october> diego: omg.... shoot yourself!
[05:00] <october> diego:  ;)
[05:00] <october> hehe
[05:00] <october> just kidding of course
[05:00] <drspin> setite: how did you install it?
[05:00] <diego> october: roofle
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[05:00] <setite> ummmm with dpkg
[05:00] <october> diego: nooo
[05:00] <setite> from a converted rpm i think
[05:00] <october> :)
[05:01] <Pluk> yay  support
[05:01] <october> man... I must be getting old... I'm digging Bitstream Vera Sans 10 bold.
[05:01] <october> heh
[05:01] <druzki> the wiki entry on grub is quite insufficient :(
[05:01] <october> there was a time when I wouldn't use a font that wasn't 5pixels
[05:01] <october> heh
[05:01] <diego> october: nub.
[05:02] <Tuxicity> melazyboy, F@H sounds interesting, but as they say in the FAQ, cant people cheat on the results?
[05:02] <drspin> setite: hmmm -- sounds shady
[05:02] <october> Other than the crappy video card.... this setup went super smooth.  What a farkin' right on experience.   Much better than my laptop.  (My Desktop was almost as nice, but it had an nvidia card -- that I now know how to deal with)
[05:03] <melazyboy> eh wasn't paying attention what are we talking about
[05:03] <diego> october: ubuntuguide roxx0rs
[05:03] <Quest-Master> melazyboy: Quicktime Trailers don't play in Firefox with mozilla-vlc-plugin. :(
[05:03] <october> diego: it's cool for somethings.... but I don't dig their sources.list
[05:03] <Tuxicity> melazyboy, oops
[05:04] <diego> october: and why not?
[05:04] <Tuxicity> melazyboy, nvm, that was for mojo_
[05:04] <october> diego: :/  it did some borkage when I apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade with warty
[05:04] <melazyboy> Quest-Master: they probably will soonish, VLC will only play what the have reverse engineered themselves to play nativly without the use of .dlls maybe they haven't figured out .movs yet
[05:04] <october> but who knows, I'm the twilight zone half the time with computers, so it could just be me.
[05:05] <mattv> diego, can you suggest anything
[05:05] <october> ooops.... Forgot to add multiverse.   /me does that.
[05:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i move directory_x into directory_a, overwriting an existing directory_x within directory_a ????
[05:05] <diego> mattv: sorry man i'm out of ideas
[05:05] <october> mattv: what's the problem?  /me reads...
[05:05] <Tuxicity> Quest-Master, combine VLC with mozplugger?
[05:05] <october> mattv: I'm probably the dumbest one here... soooo... just an FYI. ;)
[05:05] <mattv> its cool thanx any way
[05:05] <mattv> i can't get it to boot from the CD
[05:06] <diego> why can't mplayer or something work with bonobo?
[05:06] <october> mattv: hmmm   the live cd?
[05:06] <mattv> either one
[05:06] <october> mattv: or regular install cd.
[05:06] <october> ok
[05:06] <october> how about this....
[05:06] <october> can you get any OTHER cd to boot?
[05:06] <october> have you tried a windows xp or some other bootable media.
[05:06] <rabite> anyone want to help me?
[05:06] <mattv> i can get windows to boot fine
[05:06] <october> to ascertain if you can actually boot off of that cd or not.
[05:06] <october> mattv: You can boot off of what windows one just fine?
[05:07] <mattv> but any linux i tried so far won't
[05:07] <october> mattv: what cd is it that you can boot.
[05:07] <Guardiann> rabite what do you need
[05:07] <Pluk> rabite, just state your question :)
[05:07] <mattv> any windows
[05:07] <diego> can you boot a shoe?
[05:07] <mattv> i don't think i can
[05:07] <Pluk> a have my shoe to boot ppl .. does that count too?
[05:07] <october> mattv: heh, any windows isn't very descriptive.  That's anything from what.... windows 1.0 to... longhorn alpha b00tz
[05:07] <rabite> Guardiann: I need to know what version of the linux kernel Ubuntu 4.10 uses so i can tell the Grub bootloader where to find it ....
[05:07] <Vjaz> Hm... Is it normal for gnome-terminal to have a resident size of 12 megabytes?
[05:08] <mattv> sorry, i got win 98 to boot
[05:08] <Guardiann> i believe its 2.68
[05:08] <diego> rabite: 2.6.8 i think
[05:08] <Pluk> rabite, doesnt update-grub work?
[05:08] <october> mattv: ahh, ok.  So you can boot the win 98 cd... and not the Ubuntu one.
[05:08] <mattv> and i installed it fine
[05:08] <melazyboy> rabite: seems silly
[05:08] <drspin> october: you just described a whole lot of suckiness in one sentence... although win 3.1 was a nice interface... haha
[05:08] <october> mattv: do you have any other machines around there?
[05:08] <mattv> right
[05:08] <rabite> i have a multiboot system
[05:08] <Guardiann> 2.6.8.1-3-386
[05:08] <mattv> yeah
[05:08] <mattv> i tried it on 2
[05:08] <rabite> i tried that exactly...hmm...
[05:08] <october> drspin: that's me..... spitting out a whole lotta suckiness.
[05:08] <october> mattv: and it didn't boot on two other machines either?
[05:08] <mattv> the first one just kept restarting itself
[05:08] <drspin> lmao
[05:09] <mattv> nope
[05:09] <rabite> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386  etc etc etc...
[05:09] <october> mattv: it's sad, but it sounds like you got a bad cd buddy.  It does happen.
[05:09] <october> mattv: do you have a cdburner?
[05:09] <mattv> yeah
[05:09] <october> mattv: download the warty ISO, and burn you up another one.
[05:09] <rabite> it says filesystem is extfs2 ...partition is something else.. probably extfs3
[05:09] <mattv> ok
[05:09] <october> mattv: good chances are, this one will work just peachy.
[05:09] <LostMonk> yeah, u have to watch some of the iso's dont come thru okj
[05:09] <october> mattv: sec, let me get you a URL.
[05:09] <october> mattv: you in the US or where?
[05:10] <mattv> US
[05:10] <rabite> can't find vmlinuz ..etc etc
[05:10] <mattv> i can get it off the site
[05:10] <diego> i can say "roofle"
[05:10] <diego> watch me:
[05:10] <diego> roofle roofle roofle
[05:10] <october> http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso     <--- SUPER fast for me typically.
[05:10] <mattv> ok
[05:10] <october> mattv: I can grab that in about 15mins here in Georgia ;)
[05:11] <mattv> i have to wait cuz i have dialup
[05:11] <october> mattv: grab that sucker, fire up nero... (heh) and burn it to cd.
[05:11] <melazyboy> oh wow wtf im damn retarded
[05:11] <october> mattv: eeeek.
[05:11] <mattv> so it'll take forever
[05:11] <diego> awww poor mattv, what state?
[05:11] <october> mattv: Yeah, start downloading and go to bed.  :)
[05:11] <mattv> S.C.
[05:11] <rabite> i'm going to go cut my throat..thanks.
[05:11] <october> diego: must be Alabama or Miss....
[05:11] <mattv> yeah
[05:11] <october> hahaha
[05:11] <october> Or South Carolina
[05:11] <october> ;)
[05:11] <diego> october: drive out to mattv's house and hand him a copy
[05:12] <mattv> lol
[05:12] <october> mattv: there there my fellow redneck geek wanna be, we'll hook you up!
[05:12] <mattv> i ordered 2 CDs
[05:12] <october> mattv: ;)
[05:12] <regeya> oh well hey
[05:12] <diego> i ordered like 10 cd's i think...can't remember
[05:12] <melazyboy> stupid devl system last
[05:12] <mattv> maybe the other one well work
[05:12] <october> mattv: I've heard others having issues with the cd's that Ubuntu shipped out.
[05:12] <october> mattv: you have another cd there to try?
[05:12] <october> mattv: try the 2nd cd you got.
[05:12] <mattv> the first linux sys i tried was SUSE
[05:13] <mattv> and had the same prob
[05:13] <mattv> i will
[05:13] <october> mattv: really...
[05:13] <Pluk> some ubuntu cds ubuntu shipped were illburned
[05:13] <october> mattv: that is quite odd bud.
[05:13] <diego> mattv: what kind of hardware are you on?
[05:13] <Pluk> thk god theyve sent it in packages of 10
[05:13] <Pluk> ;
[05:13] <october> mattv: yeah... what kinda pc is that?
[05:13] <Pluk> :)
[05:13] <mattv> one is a pentium and the other is a pentium3
[05:13] <october> mattv: name brand?
[05:14] <regeya> :-D
[05:14] <mattv> some offbrand crap
[05:14] <diego> regeya: nubsauce
[05:14] <randabis> yum
[05:14] <mattv> AOpen or something
[05:14] <regeya> uh
[05:14] <october> mattv: hey.. don't give up... we'll get you setup and going.
[05:14] <melazyboy> does anyone have an idea why after i get xorg-fglrx-driver, I can't modprbe it, i get module fglrx not found
[05:14] <diego> melazyboy: xorg modules and kernel modules are not the same
[05:15] <october> mattv: feel free to msg me from time to time if you have a question.   occy is my normal nick.  But I'm not at that machine right now.  Setting up a clients box with Linux now.
[05:15] <mattv> i'll give it another try with the other CD
[05:15] <october> mattv: in exchange, you'll have to come listen to my band play.    http://theinterference.com/
[05:15] <october> mattv: ;)
[05:15] <melazyboy> diego, so if i edit xorg.conf and put it fglrx for card driver, you would expect it to work?
[05:15] <mattv> if i have trouble i'll be on later
[05:15] <diego> melazyboy: sounds good
[05:15] <october> mattv: right on... best of luck to you.
[05:15] <mattv> ok
[05:15] <october> oh
[05:15] <mattv> thanks for the help
[05:15] <regeya> did I stumble into some bizarroworld version of #ubuntu?
[05:15] <melazyboy> diego, is there anyway to force load a module into xorg without logging out, just out of curiosity
[05:15] <october> check out that site for some tunes... and triple your money back if you ain't happy.
[05:15] <diego> mattv: gl
[05:15] <mattv> later guys
[05:16] <regeya> so diego
[05:16] <diego> melazyboy: hmm not that i know of
[05:16] <Pluk> yay full install without gnome but with xfce takes 1.1gb
[05:16] <regeya> how long have you been using linux, eh?
[05:16] <Pluk> thats better then 2
[05:16] <october> hah, just kididng.
[05:16] <october> regeya: who is that?
[05:16] <diego> regeya: since early summer....maybe spring
[05:16] <LostMonk> hrm
[05:16] <october> diego: dang...
[05:16] <regeya> oh!
[05:16] <LostMonk> to install ubuntu or leav my mepis alone
[05:16] <regeya> that long, eh?
[05:16] <october> the n00bs know more than me.
[05:16] <october> and I've been using it since.....  96'
[05:16] <october> heh
[05:16] <diego> hahahahha
[05:16] <october> scary
[05:17] <regeya> same here, october
[05:17] <Tuxicity> october, dont you live in Australia?
[05:17] <diego> i guess i picked it up pretty quick :P
[05:17] <october> but that's only because Eye am SOFA KING we todd did.
[05:17] <october> Tuxicity: naw... Georgia (USA)
[05:17] <Pluk> i started in 2002.. with gentoo :D
[05:17] <melazyboy> wow, ok any idea why im still getting such low fps in glxgears im only getting 1243
[05:17] <october> Tuxicity: south eastern United States.
[05:17] <Pluk> nice learning curve
[05:17] <Tuxicity> october, oh wrong person
[05:17] <october> Tuxicity: :)
[05:17] <diego> i started on gentoo so i learned a lot from that shit...then got pissed off at the compile times and moved to ubuntu
[05:17] <october> Tuxicity: I know peeps in Australia
[05:17] <regeya> diego: just wondering how I got n00b status from a wet-behind-the-ears linux user, that's all.  thanks.
[05:18] <Pluk> melazyboy, ati drivers suck
[05:18] <october> Carsten (Raster) and Simon (Horms)  and Peter (zed)
[05:18] <Tuxicity> october, but your occy, right? oh well, my mistake..
[05:18] <melazyboy> diego: wow, ok any idea why im still getting such low fps in glxgears im only getting 1243, im getting a warning in xgears, 'Xlinb: extension "Xfree86-DRI" missing on display ":0:0".
[05:18] <diego> regeya: haha, i hope you're kidding around too
[05:18] <Pluk> im getting 1100 with a mobile 9600
[05:18] <regeya> diego: explain yourself.
[05:18] <october> Tuxicity: np.   occy.net for more information about me than you'd ever wanna know.
[05:18] <Toniee> wow, cool. i just received my ubuntu package today!!
[05:18] <diego> regeya: i'm hardly ever serious when i call someone a noob. specially if i append sauce
[05:18] <Tuxicity> Pluk, that's not bad
[05:18] <october> man... I need to go order some Ubuntu cd's... Just to get somethin in the mail that doesn't suck.
[05:19] <regeya> diego: :-D
[05:19] <october> I wish Jdub would get off his rear and bring me into the Dev team.
[05:19] <october> heh
[05:19] <Pluk> well i get 6400 with a GF5900xt
[05:19] <diego> melazyboy: meh i dunno
[05:19] <Pluk> thats kinda a huge diff although the GF is better
[05:19] <october> back to other machine.... this one is upgrading.
[05:20] <Pluk> but at least i have accelerated 3d
[05:20] <diego> i'm getting 3382 on my geforce 5650 go! right now
[05:20] <melazyboy> 1-
[05:20] <setite> 6400?
[05:20] <setite> with what
[05:20] <setite> i have a broken 6800gt
[05:20] <setite> i gotta go buy another one now
[05:20] <Pluk> glxgears.. but its not really a benchmark thingy though :)
[05:20] <ycco> heh
[05:21] <setite> occy!
[05:21] <ycco> let's see how many computers I can have on the net at the same time.
[05:21] <ycco> :)
[05:21] <ycco> setite: ;)
[05:21] <ycco> heh
[05:21] <etites> yay im cool like you now
[05:21] <ycco> nice nick
[05:21] <ycco> etites: well, only half as cool.
[05:21] <ycco> etites: keep trying though... ;)
[05:21] <ycco> http://occy.net/albums/december-15-2004_mirror-fun/img007.thumb.jpeg
[05:21] <ycco> ain't eye perty?
[05:22] <looc_eb_annaw_i> now im cool
[05:22] <tinmad_looc_eb_a> whoops that didnt work
[05:22] <ycco> http://occy.net/albums/december-15-2004_mirror-fun/img004.thumb.jpeg
[05:22] <ycco> heh
[05:23] <looc_eb_annaw_i> eww
[05:23] <diego> ycco: you're fooking scaring me
[05:23] <looc_eb_annaw_i> that looks like two gay twins abotu to go at it
[05:23] <TJ_> Hey everyone - I'm new here, and new to Linux in general (only experience being slight dabbling in Mandrake for fun over the past few years). I installed Ubuntu a few days ago, haven't had much time to play with it....I was just wondering, and big flaws or issues, esp compared to a distro like Mandrake?
[05:23] <looc_eb_annaw_i> hey can i search through my windows partition for a file?
[05:23] <ycco> diego: ;)
[05:23] <ycco> it's my goal in life
[05:24] <looc_eb_annaw_i> to be a gay twin?
[05:24] <TJ_> *any
[05:24] <ycco> hah
[05:24] <ycco> yeah, and I'm on the prowl for you big boy
[05:24] <ycco> (or so you only hope in your dreams ;)
[05:24] <looc_eb_annaw_i> hey im black... i cant be your gay twin.. sorry
[05:24] <ycco> Ok, this conversation is going downhill at an exponential rate.
[05:25] <melazyboy> diego, god this is so not working
[05:25] <looc_eb_annaw_i> haha agreed
[05:25] <ycco> looc_eb_annaw_i: enjoy yourself.
[05:25] <diego> melazyboy: roofle
[05:25] <melazyboy> diego: fglrx, must be a kernel module.
[05:25] <looc_eb_annaw_i> roofle?
[05:25] <melazyboy> diego: type lsmod |grep fglrx
[05:25] <diego> melazyboy: look through the filesystem for it
[05:25] <melazyboy> diego: im sure you have it im only getting 250fps
[05:25] <diego> ongardie@asus:~ $ lsmod | grep fglrx
[05:25] <diego> ongardie@asus:~ $
[05:25] <melazyboy> diego, why isn't it just installing to the right place with apt-get or why am i not getting an error of any sort
[05:26] <melazyboy> and your using an ati video card right now?
[05:27] <diego> melazyboy: nope, said a minute ago i was using a geforce 5650 go! on a half-way related subject
[05:27] <melazyboy> bah that would explain it then
[05:27] <looc_eb_annaw_i> ok this nick is making me sick
[05:27] <melazyboy> so back to trying to figure out why my apt-install of the drivers is borking
[05:28] <Kyuutketsuki> ok thats better
[05:28] <TJ_> All right, sorry to interrupt the vid stuff. Enjoy!
[05:28] <diego> melazyboy: what files does it provide?
[05:28] <diego> (you can check through synaptic)
[05:28] <diego> look to see whether it gives any kernel modules
[05:29] <bj_> test
[05:29] <Kyuutketsuki> ok someone tell me another AIM alternative
[05:29] <Kyuutketsuki> Gaim sucks
[05:29] <bj_> trillian OH
[05:29] <Kyuutketsuki> oh shit
[05:29] <Kyuutketsuki> i think i know what it might be
[05:29] <melazyboy> Kyuutketsuki: CenterICQ
[05:29] <LostMonk> kopete is bettr
[05:30] <diego> Kyuutketsuki: how does gaim suck?
[05:30] <LostMonk> kopete is very close to trillian
[05:30] <bj_> hey can anyone read my things
[05:30] <Kyuutketsuki> i cant direct connect or send a file
[05:30] <diego> bj_: 10-4
[05:30] <Kyuutketsuki> well when was tryign to direct connect i noticed that it read the other persons IP as 0.0.0.0
[05:30] <bj_> I guess so. Nickserve doesnt do anything
[05:30] <Kyuutketsuki> now that may have been them.. or i need to forward some ports
[05:30] <drspin> bj_: yes...
[05:30] <poop> see poop is taken
[05:31] <poop> but Im typing on this name anyway
[05:31] <poop> or am I??
[05:32] <diego> poop: noob
[05:32] <diego> bj_: noob
[05:32] <bj_> what
[05:32] <Kyuutketsuki> is trillian for linux?
[05:32] <Agrajag> no
[05:32] <Kyuutketsuki> no?
[05:32] <diego> no
[05:33] <Agrajag> no
[05:33] <Pluk> lol
[05:33] <Kyuutketsuki> then why would you suggest it
[05:33] <diego> maybe he uses wine or something
[05:33] <bj_> Kyuutketsuki, Im a jerk
[05:33] <bj_> thats why
[05:33] <Kyuutketsuki> damn you
[05:33] <bj_> muahahah
[05:33] <folken> what can tirillian do that gaim can't?
[05:33] <Agrajag> suck
[05:33] <Kyuutketsuki> perhaps direct connect
[05:33] <diego> folken: suck?
[05:33] <bj_> send files.
[05:34] <folken> (serious question, i don't mean to argue)
[05:34] <Agrajag> diego: I win!
[05:34] <poppo> heh
[05:34] <Pluk> :D
[05:34] <ycco> man... I get this nasty ghosting of images and icons onscreen...
[05:34] <diego> Agrajag: bah i challenge you to a duel
[05:34] <Pluk> --;
[05:34] <Agrajag> pistols at dawn
[05:34] <ycco> like things are "moving" to the left... but aren't going anywhere.
[05:34] <ycco> heh
[05:34] <poppo> man iam lookin forward to instal ubuntu
[05:34] <ycco> it's messing with me.
[05:34] <folken> diego well i'd agree on that :)
[05:35] <Kyuutketsuki> ok i got direct connect to work
[05:35] <Pluk> lol
[05:35] <drspin> Gain sends files just fine
[05:35] <Pluk> now gaim rox!
[05:35] <drspin> *Gaim
[05:35] <drspin> I'm a Gaim user... and I love it
[05:36] <ycco> I hate gaim.
[05:36] <stuNNed> i love it i love it i love it
[05:36] <stuNNed> !!!
[05:36] <bj_> drspin, I love it, but trillian does stuff better
[05:36] <ycco> And I am good personal friends with Rob and Mark.
[05:36] <ycco> heh
[05:36] <Pluk> trillian sux
[05:36] <Pluk> it cant even do linux
[05:36] <bj_> I cant direct connect with friends and send little pictures or sounds
[05:36] <ycco> well... I hate instant message.
[05:36] <ollie> is "ab" (apache benchmark) not included w/apache 2.0 in hoary?
[05:36] <drspin> heh
[05:36] <ycco> xchat > *!
[05:36] <bj_> w00t
[05:36] <stuNNed> trillian can done dood lunix in wine
[05:37] <diego> lunix? leet
[05:37] <bj_> what about adium
[05:37] <bj_> based on gaim right
[05:37] <diego> what about naim?
[05:37] <Pluk> ollie try: apache-utils
[05:37] <stuNNed> grain
[05:37] <stuNNed> ?
[05:37] <crimsun> ollie: 'apache-utils'
[05:37] <Kyuutketsuki> ok i got direct connect to work
[05:37] <Kyuutketsuki> but files still wont send
[05:37] <Pluk> --; :)
[05:37] <Kyuutketsuki> anyone knwo what ports it uses for that?
[05:37] <crimsun> ollie: note it's for 1.3.x
[05:38] <Agrajag> Kyuutketsuki: gaim?
[05:38] <Kyuutketsuki> tea
[05:38] <Kyuutketsuki> yea
[05:38] <Agrajag> Kyuutketsuki: in preferences, network, you can set the port manually
[05:39] <Tuxicity> bj_, Adium is for Mac, no?
[05:39] <bj_> yup
[05:39] <bj_> but isnt mac kind of close?
[05:39] <ollie> thanks Pluk and crimsun!
[05:40] <bj_> away!
[05:41] <folken> hmm i like ubuntu :)
[05:41] <Guardiann> yep its pretty good
[05:41] <folken> finally somebody takes care of preconfiguration. This has been missing for desktop distros.
[05:42] <Kyuutketsuki> ok the gaim with ubuntu is old righ
[05:42] <melazyboy> alright so much for getting the ati driver from apt that fucking packages blows
[05:42] <diego> Kyuutketsuki: not on hoary
[05:42] <Kyuutketsuki> im on warty
[05:42] <Tuxicity> Kyuutketsuki, in Wary, ya
[05:42] <Kyuutketsuki> then why does it say downgradign when i try to install the one from the gaim site
[05:42] <Tuxicity> Kyuutketsuki, check backports or something
[05:42] <crimsun> Kyuutketsuki: 1:1.0.0-1ubuntu1.1?
[05:42] <mebaran> Does anyone know if evolution is working yet?
[05:42] <crimsun> Kyuutketsuki: that's not too old at all.
[05:43] <Kyuutketsuki> backports?
[05:43] <regeya> diego: to tell you the truth, if you started out with gentoo, it's no wonder you caught up; I mean, gentoo's pretty much sink-or-swim, isn't it?
[05:44] <Kyuutketsuki> ahhh screw this... what else is there
[05:44] <Kyuutketsuki> kopete and what else
[05:44] <regeya> Kyuutketsuki, ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net
[05:44] <folken> Kyuutketsuki, psi maybe?
[05:44] <LostMonk> kopete is great
[05:44] <LostMonk> very customizable
[05:44] <crimsun> always, always warn people that if they use backports, they risk having massive upgrade difficulties to Hoary from Warty.
[05:44] <Kyuutketsuki> just somethign that you guys knows will work
[05:44] <diego> regeya: eh, i guess so...i'd say it's modularized sink-or-swim...like you can't get sound to work but everything else does so you trouble shoot...err something
[05:44] <Kyuutketsuki> i just want to be able to send files
[05:45] <regeya> heh
[05:45] <folken> probably more a firewall issue than a client issue.
[05:45] <Kyuutketsuki> nah i forwarded ports
[05:45] <Kyuutketsuki> and it works on windows so....
[05:45] <regeya> well that's a lie
[05:45] <Kyuutketsuki> whats a lie
[05:46] <regeya> when I tried using 2.4 kernel + alsa, I had some problems there, but not much
[05:46] <diego> regeya: meh, i have a shitty nforce2-based board on my desktop...it didn't follow nvidia's specs when it comes to sound or something so it took a little work
[05:46] <regeya> Kyuutketsuki, I was backing up something I had said
[05:46] <regeya> nevermind Kyuutketsuki
[05:46] <Kyuutketsuki> yea i see that now
[05:46] <regeya> okay Kyuutketsuki
[05:46] <regeya> :-D
[05:46] <folken> kernel upgrade.. cya!
[05:46] <diego> roofle
[05:47] <regeya> diego: that stinks...my mobo has some sort of builtin sound device, but I've no idea if it works or not. :-D
[05:47] <regeya> I've cheated the last few years and have used creative cards exclusively
[05:47] <poppo> iam just wondein .. is instalation of ubuntu graphical ?
[05:47] <regeya> the ess1371-based cards were a joy when I first had one; I think I ended up buying an OSS license.
[05:48] <diego> i would but i'm cheap when it comes to sound cards...i guess it's because i use headsets more than anything
[05:48] <HrdwrBoB> regeya: yes
[05:48] <HrdwrBoB> emu10k1
[05:48] <regeya> emu10k1 here
[05:48] <Tuxicity> poppo, it's not graphical, but extremely simple and quick
[05:49] <poppo> ok kewl .
[05:49] <poppo> Tuxicity :  wat about partitions ? if i have non dos will the cd install ubuntu on non dos directly ??
[05:50] <poppo> iam kinda new to linux and i may mess up with my hd if thats not the case
[05:50] <crimsun> regeya: what motherboard?
[05:51] <Tuxicity> poppo, do you care about the data on the HD?
[05:51] <diego> Tuxicity: i care about poppo's data...
[05:51] <poppo> Tuxicity : yeh, i did burn the data .
[05:51] <poppo> diego : thanks ; - )
[05:52] <diego> poppo: np, netcat it on over here so i can look around :P
[05:52] <Tuxicity> poppo, i dont get your question is not precise
[05:52] <diego> Tuxicity: wow that was an efficient combination of two sentences.
[05:52] <poppo> Tuxicity : i was wondering if i have to do the partions manually or will the cd  use non dos as RH does
[05:53] <Tuxicity> poppo, non dos? you mean NTFS?
[05:53] <poppo> no , free space .
[05:53] <Tuxicity> poppo, oooh, sure it can format the drive
[05:54] <diego> i'm gonna go prepare myself for bed, gn all
[05:54] <poppo> ok kewl , so iam not wrong if i say ubuntu cd will install directly on free space rather than askin me to give her thr partitions
[05:54] <diego> sorry to all those i made fun of, including myself
[05:54] <poppo> gn diego : )
[05:55] <Tuxicity> poppo, you're right
[05:55] <poppo> awesome
[05:55] <diego> gn poppo! i <3 j00
[05:55] <Tuxicity> sleep well, little angel
[05:56] <ycco> crimsun: help!
[05:56] <ycco> crimsun: heh
[05:56] <stuNNed> so come bad cd's shipped?
[05:56] <crimsun> ycco: eh?
[05:56] <ycco> crimsun: Good morning? (not sure what time it is there)
[05:56] <stuNNed> so some*
[05:56] <crimsun> ycco: 11:56 PM (-0500 GMT)
[05:56] <ycco> ahh
[05:56] <ycco> crimsun: where you be?  I'm on up in Georgia. ;)
[05:56] <poppo> stuNNed : happens man , like they ship thousands and some of them are bound to be wrong
[05:57] <stuNNed> popey, so it did happen?
[05:57] <poppo> i heard so .
[05:57] <melazyboy> man i fucking hate ati
[05:57] <stuNNed> popey, ok thanks
[05:57] <stuNNed> eh
[05:57] <stuNNed> poppo,
[05:57] <ycco> crimsun: I'm having issues with my video on my desktop.  all of the images and fonts and graphics and everything on the desktop have "ghosted" things about them.
[05:57] <melazyboy> there is no way this should be so damn difficult
[05:57] <melazyboy> unknown symbol in module
[05:57] <poppo> yes stuNNed?
[05:57] <bob2> melazyboy: are you using ubuntu kernels and ubuntu ati modules?
[05:58] <stuNNed> popey, nothing, just thanks for the info
[05:58] <mebaran> does anyone know why Evolution wont allow me to import contacts anymore
[05:58] <crimsun> ycco: greensboro, north carolina.
[05:58] <mebaran> did a Fresh install
[05:58] <mebaran> no dice
[05:58] <mebaran> so it cant be me
[05:58] <ycco> crimsun: right on... you are right up the road.
[05:58] <mebaran> this is a clean boot
[05:58] <ycco> crimsun: Macon myself.
[05:58] <stuNNed> poppo, i handed out like 50! :(
[05:58] <mebaran> clean just formatted install
[05:58] <ycco> Georgia that is.
[05:58] <crimsun> ycco: nice
[05:58] <ferris> can someone tell me the apt- command to find the available linux kernels?
[05:58] <poppo> stuNNed : oh sure : )
[05:59] <ycco> North Khaki Lackey
[05:59] <crimsun> ferris: apt-cache search linux image
[05:59] <poppo> stuNNed : 50 what ??
[05:59] <ferris> crimsun thanks so much
[05:59] <stuNNed> poppo, 50 ubuntu cds to ppl at work and around the neighborhood, friends.
[05:59] <bob2> mebaran: you're using hoary?
[05:59] <poppo> oh k . good job .
[06:00] <crimsun> ycco: the neomagic stilL?
[06:00] <ycco> crimsun: I went all the way down to 800x600 and I'm still getting the effect.
[06:00] <ycco> crimsun: that's another issue, this is my main desktop boxen. ;)
[06:00] <crimsun> ycco: k, one at a time then. which is most pressing?
[06:00] <ycco> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]  (rev a3)
[06:01] <ycco> crimsun: I'm not so much worried about the laptop at the moment.
[06:01] <ycco> But this desktop screen is killing my eyes.
[06:01] <ycco> running at 1600x1200 @ 75Hz    --- PanaSync S110i  21" monitor (Panasonic)
[06:02] <ycco> I wonder if the monitor is just farkin' dying
[06:02] <ycco> hmmm
[06:02] <crimsun> ycco: what effect are you referring to?
[06:03] <ycco> crimsun: I'm getting a nasty "ghosting" of everything on the screen
[06:04] <ycco> sec
[06:04] <crimsun> ycco: that sounds like a monitor issue.
[06:04] <ycco> powered off the monitor
[06:04] <melazyboy> is anyone having problems with the newest kernel xorg and the new fglrx drivers for it
[06:06] <MrKeuner> what is the default warty user password?
[06:07] <melazyboy> ubuntu sets no passwords by default
[06:07] <melazyboy> you created the user in your install
[06:07] <ycco> :/
[06:07] <ycco> yeah... it's messing with my head though
[06:07] <ycco> heh
[06:08] <melazyboy> if your referring to root, that user isn't enabled by default in ubuntu
[06:08] <regeya> crimsun?  shopping for used motherboards, are you?
[06:08] <melazyboy> your more than welcome to enable it with 'passwd root'
[06:09] <mebaran> Evolution is not importing contacts or allowing me to add them
[06:09] <mebaran> I checked for the latest
[06:09] <mebaran> but it just doesnt work
[06:09] <ycco> *sigh*
[06:09] <ycco> if it's not one thing it's a dozen isn't it?
[06:09] <ycco> :)
[06:09] <ycco> hmmm
[06:10] <regeya> importing is confusing to the average user
[06:10] <mebaran> oh
[06:10] <mebaran> I was trying to import a vcard
[06:10] <crimsun> regeya: no, you mentioned being unsure whether your onboard sound is supported. I asked.
[06:10] <mebaran> of a list of contacts
[06:10] <mebaran> made my evolution
[06:10] <october> yeah
[06:10] <october> I'm on the other pc
[06:10] <october> with the same monitor...
[06:11] <october> and I'm getting the same ghosting
[06:11] <october> must be the monitor dying
[06:11] <october> RIP.
[06:11] <october> :(
[06:11] <october> I just had another 21" die on me recnetly
[06:11] <crimsun> eek
[06:11] <billytwowilly> with the new ati drivers whenever I run a wine application my screen goes black. If I ctrl-alt F1 then ctrl-alt-F7 it comes back up. anyone know why this is?
[06:11] <regeya> don't believe I did, but thanks crimsun...oh, I don't care if it is. :-D  I have a SB Live 5.1.  Someone had lamented having problems with their onboard sound, I jested that I had no idea if mine worked because I buy creative cards.  sorry for the source of confusion.
[06:12] <october> They are old, but man... they are nice.
[06:12] <october> 1600x1200 @ 21" = heaven;
[06:12] <HrdwrBoB> october: true but tbh 2x17" LCDs are nicer
[06:12] <mebaran> Anybody here having Evoltuion problems
[06:12] <october> HrdwrBoB: let me msg you my shipping address.
[06:13] <october> HrdwrBoB: :)
[06:13] <HrdwrBoB> october: I will gladly exchange 21" sony CRTs for 2x17" LCD
[06:13] <HrdwrBoB> I will even pay shipping :)
[06:13] <october> welp.... that's it for me.  My eyes are hosed.
[06:13] <october> heh
[06:14] <october> I have Panasonic 21" I'll trade you ;)
[06:14] <october> *chuckle*  (only "slightly" used)
[06:14] <crimsun> october: if you don't play many games, I highly recommend a flat panel, say a Dell 1901fp
[06:14] <october> crimsun: I play bzflag too much it seems.
[06:14] <october> heh
[06:14] <crimsun> ah, bzflag will be fine on them :)
[06:15] <october> Ok... my eyes can't take this anymore...
[06:15] <october> bbias
[06:15] <october> :)
[06:15] <princemackenzie> i forget how i can set my http proxy settings to be loaded without having to type in "export http_proxy" after every reboot
[06:16] <occy> heh
[06:16] <mebaran> Nobody here knows anything about Evolution?
[06:17] <vonschutter> Evo... why?
[06:17] <crimsun> err, what specifically RE: evo?
[06:18] <Pluk> heh
[06:20] <mebaran> My Evo wont import anything
[06:20] <mebaran> or let me make a new contact
[06:20] <mebaran> it lets me click
[06:21] <mebaran> but it never does anything
[06:21] <mebaran> it also wont delete an extra address book I amde
[06:21] <Neo_654> mebaran, I have tried all that here since watching you conversations the last few days and I haven't had an issue yet.
[06:25] <Neo_654> Expunge did throw me for a loop though
[06:26] <Cinder> I just installed Ubuntu & everything & I went to shut down and it stopped at Power Down.
[06:26] <Cinder> Do I press the power or will it turn on its own
[06:27] <Neo_654> Power it down then.
[06:27] <occy> Cinder: press power off
[06:27] <Cinder> :(
[06:27] <Cinder> lol bla
[06:27] <dead|shell> Cinder press the power mine doues the same thing
[06:27] <occy> Cinder: I've seen this on a few machines Ih ave too.
[06:27] <occy> errr... I have
[06:27] <Cinder> j/w cuz sometimes im in a hurry and I forget
[06:27] <Cinder> thans
[06:27] <Cinder> bla
[06:27] <Cinder> i loves Ubuntu :D
[06:27] <occy> Cinder: np ;) good luck with Ubuntu!
[06:27] <occy> :D
[06:27] <Cinder> lol
[06:28] <Cinder> its my 2nd linux distro ever :P
[06:28] <martine> i'm having trouble compiling the ati kernel modules.
[06:28] <occy> it's my "5th?"
[06:28] <occy> 6th?
[06:28] <Cinder> bla ?
[06:28] <Cinder> I guess it would be my 4th technically
[06:28] <martine> make[1] : Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/fglrx-kernel'
[06:28] <martine> ./debian/rules:77: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?).  Stop.
[06:28] <martine> make[1] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/fglrx-kernel'
[06:28] <martine> i can't see how this ever could have worked.
[06:29] <Cinder> Damn Small Linux,Cobind Desktop,Gnoppix (isn't installing) & Ubuntu live & hd version
[06:29] <martine> does anybody use ubuntu with ati hardware?
[06:29] <occy> Redhat, Slackware, Debian, Suse, gentoo, Mandrake, LFS(linux from scratch), hmmm can't remember others.
[06:29] <daniels> martine: yes, but most everyone uses stock kernels, so they don't need to compile their own module
[06:29] <crypticreign> when will the next release of ubuntu be out? March?
[06:29] <Cinder> bla lol
[06:29] <Tuxicity> martine, me
[06:29] <Pluk> martine why dont you just use the ubuntu fglrx driver?
[06:29] <occy> Ubuntu has the best setup so far IMHO.
[06:29] <Cinder> the setup took a long time on my p600 = /
[06:29] <occy> oh
[06:29] <occy> Fedora
[06:29] <occy> heh
[06:29] <occy> but that's just Redhat
[06:29] <daniels> crypticreign: april
[06:29] <martine> i was compiling a 2.6.10 kernel so i could get smp (well, hyperthreading) support.
[06:29] <Pluk> ah k
[06:30] <occy> course, that said, Ubuntu is basically debian. so....
[06:30] <Cinder> i hates teh hyper threading
[06:30] <martine> so i think i need to compile a fglrx driver that matches?
[06:30] <Cinder> buzz word
[06:30] <occy> night gang
[06:30] <Cinder> lol
[06:30] <Cinder> Basically debian
[06:30] <Cinder> - 5 discs
[06:30] <Cinder> Plus it has a funny name :O
[06:30] <daniels> martine: are you using a kernel that you compiled yourself?
[06:30] <Tuxicity> occy, night
[06:30] <martine> cinder: the guy who invented it always called it SMT; hyperthreading is just the marketing spin on it.
[06:31] <Cinder> But hyperthreading is only useful with applications that support it ?
[06:31] <Cinder> and i dont know to many
[06:31] <martine> daniels, i have just compiled a kernel with make-kpkg and now i'm make-kpkg'ing modules_image
[06:31] <martine> Cinder, no, it's useful to any OS that supports multiple processes.
[06:31] <daniels> why did you compile your own kernel?
[06:31] <Pluk> there are also stock smp kernels though
[06:32] <martine> oh, i didn't realize there was a stock smp kernel.
[06:32] <martine> i've used debian for years and years so make-kpkg felt natural.
[06:32] <Pluk> :)
[06:32] <martine> daniels, i wanted an smp (hyperthreading, really) kernel, and so i just grabbed the kernel-source package.
[06:33] <daniels> martine: you know there are smp kernels shipped with ubuntu?
[06:33] <daniels> ah, right
[06:33] <martine> in any case, if i fix the makefile manually (someone put in eight spaces where a tab), the fglrx-kernel makefile breaks itself
[06:33] <Pluk> daniels, is the xorg-driver-fglrx-dev package already patched for 2.6.11-rc1?
[06:33] <daniels> Pluk: err ... no.
[06:34] <Pluk> ok thx
[06:34] <Pluk> didnt expect so but had some hope :)
[06:34] <martine> the rule is this:
[06:34] <martine> %.Makefile :
[06:34] <martine>         # select which makefile to use.
[06:34] <martine>         rm -f $(CURDIR)/$(dirname)/Makefile || true
[06:34] <martine>         cd $(CURDIR)/$(dirname) ; \
[06:34] <martine>         ln -s Makefile.kbuild Makefile ; \
[06:34] <martine>         cd .. ; \
[06:34] <martine> but there is no Makefile.kbuild so that effectively just clobbers the makefile and replaces it with a symlink to nowhere.
[06:35] <daniels> martine: cool
[06:35] <daniels> that entire rule just needs to evaporate
[06:35] <daniels> it never got updated for the new fglrx
[06:35] <martine> tried that, too,
[06:36] <martine> but configure.stamp wants configure.Makefile and now there's no rule for it
[06:36] <martine> er, config.Makefile
[06:36] <martine> make[2] : Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/fglrx-kernel'
[06:36] <martine> make[2] : *** No rule to make target `config.Makefile', needed by `configure-stamp'.  Stop.
[06:36] <daniels> hm
[06:36] <martine> oh, you're daniel stone!  i used your x packages on debian for quite a while.  nice to meet you.
[06:36] <daniels> heh, thankyou
[06:36] <martine> i guess i just don't know whether i'm doing something wrong or if the package is just broken.
[06:38] <martine> it looks like it'll be harmless to reboot with my new kernel and then just let the fglrx's "make_install.sh" do its thing, right?
[06:38] <martine> (well, it'll escape the packaging but i can live with that.)
[06:40] <daniels> martine: the package is broken
[06:44] <mattv> october?
[06:44] <prabu^> Hello all has anyone tried to use Audigy LS with ubuntu ?
[06:44] <crypticreign> jeesh, seems adm is broken now
[06:44] <crypticreign> er
[06:44] <crypticreign> apm
[06:48] <martine> daniels, thanks.
[06:51] <jahn> hello all
[06:53] <jahn> wondering if anyone can point me to resources to set up Quicktime, Real Player, and Windows Media capability on my Ubuntu laptop
[06:54] <dataw0lf> www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:55] <bob2> jahn: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:56] <jahn> thanks much!
[06:58] <tritium> hmm, evolution-exchange is hosed
[06:58] <druzki> good evening
[06:59] <druzki> i have problems getting ubuntu to run at a high resolution -- the maximum it can run at is 1026x700 while windows is at 1200x1000
[06:59] <mebaran> Evolution wont let me make new contacts or import old ones
[07:03] <Kyuutketsuki> why is linux being fruity
[07:03] <Kyuutketsuki> i have to tap the mouse to get it to click only once
[07:03] <Kyuutketsuki> if im not careful it does an automatic double click...
[07:03] <Kyuutketsuki> its making page navigation a bitch
[07:03] <tritium> I miss the wireless applet
[07:04] <tritium> The network monitor can't tell which interface is being used
[07:05] <tritium> If I used eth0 last, and later plug in wireless card (wlan0), it can't tell that wlan0 is the NIC
[07:05] <tritium> It just shows an inactive eth0
[07:06] <HrdwrBoB> Kyuutketsuki: sounds more like a hardware problem
[07:06] <mebaran> Anybody here having really weird problems with Evolution Contact Manager?
[07:09] <RuffianSoldier> are you there bob2?
[07:09] <bob2> no
[07:10] <RuffianSoldier> :-(
[07:10] <mebaran> Evolution is really beginning to annoy me
[07:10] <RuffianSoldier> Your insane
[07:10] <mebaran> this Contact bug complete baffles me
[07:10] <RuffianSoldier> How are you doing bob2? i havent spoke to you in a while
[07:10] <mebaran> I'm insane!
[07:10] <mebaran> well I knew that
[07:10] <RuffianSoldier> lol, thers a club
[07:10] <RuffianSoldier> wanna join?
[07:10] <RuffianSoldier> im the leader
[07:10] <mebaran> oh really
[07:10] <RuffianSoldier> yes mam
[07:10] <mebaran> I think my membership was confirmed awhile ago
[07:11] <RuffianSoldier> oh cool
[07:11] <mebaran> sir I beg your pardon
[07:11] <RuffianSoldier> :-/
[07:11] <RuffianSoldier> i beg to differ
[07:12] <mebaran> maam!
[07:12] <mebaran> jk
[07:13] <RuffianSoldier> rofl
[07:13] <RuffianSoldier> funk
[07:13] <funk> yeah
[07:13] <RuffianSoldier> HI!
[07:13] <funk> Hi
[07:13] <mebaran> so Evolution anybody7
[07:13] <mebaran> I acutally use the app
[07:13] <mebaran> one of my core apps
[07:13] <mebaran> and it has to be broken!
[07:14] <bob2> mebaran: you're using hoary?
[07:15] <ironwolf> waht about evo mebaran?
[07:16] <K-Rich> How do i play DVDs with Warty ?
[07:16] <randabis> hmm, I'm running hoary, maybe I'll reinstall evolution and see if it is indeed broken
[07:16] <RuffianSoldier> whoah
[07:17] <ironwolf> mebaran: what problems with evolution are you seeing?
[07:17] <funk> Evo works flawlessly for me.  When you say broken, what do you mean?
[07:17] <ironwolf> k-rich: do you have universe in your sources?
[07:17] <K-Rich> i hae a DVD/CD-RW Combo and when in Totem i pick Play Disc it opens as a CDROM :/
[07:17] <K-Rich> ironwolf: yeah
[07:17] <ironwolf> k-rich: do you have mplayer installed?
[07:18] <K-Rich> ironwolf: i tried, it's not got the GUI part in it though
[07:18] <randabis> gxine > mplayer imho
[07:18] <ironwolf> k-rich: gmplayer?
[07:18] <K-Rich> ironwolf: right
[07:19] <K-Rich> ironwolf: in mplayer-custom
[07:19] <ironwolf> k-rich: are you on x386?
[07:20] <K-Rich> ironwolf: x686 Pentium II
[07:20] <ironwolf> try mplayer-586
[07:20] <crimsun> K-Rich: and you can run mplayer-custom? that's surprising.
[07:21] <ironwolf> krich: the mplayer-custom was built on a P4.
[07:21] <K-Rich> crimsun: i had to delete the /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf file though and recreate
[07:21] <neighborlee> where do I get 2.6.8 source ? ;-) ( i have universe and multiverse enabled yes )
[07:21] <K-Rich> ironwolf: lett me try to install mplayer-586 then
[07:21] <crimsun> neighborlee: linux-source-2.6.8.1 is in main.
[07:21] <RuffianSoldier> Apt-get upgrades are going to fill my hard drive :-p
[07:21] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: sudo apt-get autoclean
[07:21] <neighborlee> crimsun, ahh i was searching for kernel-source ;-00
[07:21] <neighborlee> crimsun, k thx
[07:21] <randabis> neighborlee sudo apt-get install kernel-source
[07:21] <RuffianSoldier> crimsun, whats that do?
[07:22] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: removes any packages in /var/cache/apt/archives older than 2 revisions (current+1 older)
[07:22] <RuffianSoldier> crimsun, is it safe?
[07:22] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: yes.
[07:22] <prabu^> randabis: does that work ? does it get the correct kernel-source ? i tried that and i didnt get anything and i was logged in as root
[07:23] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: (why wouldn't it be? you're removing the debs, not the installed package)
[07:23] <randabis> it puts a kernel source tarball in your /usr/src directory prabu
[07:23] <randabis> you have to extract it yourself
[07:24] <prabu^> yea
[07:24] <prabu^> but it showed some error
[07:24] <prabu^> anyway has anyone tried using audigy LS with ubuntu ?
[07:24] <prabu^> and got it to work ?
[07:24] <K-Rich> ironwolf: the only repository i have with mplayer-586 i have is the marillat one
[07:24] <crimsun> prabu^: yes, it works fine.
[07:24] <crimsun> K-Rich: correct.
[07:24] <crimsun> prabu^: you need to use current alsa-source
[07:25] <randabis> heh I forgot I never extracted my source tarball
[07:25] <K-Rich> crimsun: should i use stable testing or unstable from there?
[07:25] <ironwolf> k-rich: you're running with debian and ubuntu repos?
[07:25] <K-Rich> ironwolf: just the one
[07:25] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: ok.
[07:25] <crimsun> K-Rich: testing
[07:25] <crimsun> ironwolf: the marillat repo is named for the debian branches.
[07:25] <bob2> mplayer from marillat's testing repository won't work on warty
[07:26] <randabis> uh...it can work
[07:26] <randabis> err
[07:26] <ironwolf> k-rich: using debian repos produces ... potentialy bad results.  Certainly interesting.
[07:26] <K-Rich> bob2: no?
[07:26] <randabis> nevermind you said testing
[07:26] <bob2> it's not installable
[07:27] <prabu^> oh so i just do apt-get install alsa-source and it will work  when i reboot ?
[07:27] <ironwolf> k-rich: I see it in multiverse on hoary.
[07:27] <bob2> prabu^: er?
[07:27] <bob2> prabu^: the ubuntu kernels have alsa already built, installed and setup.
[07:27] <crimsun> christian marillat bumped the dependencies, so it won't be installable.
[07:27] <bob2> ironwolf: it's not in multiverse for warty
[07:27] <crimsun> bob2: he has an audigy ls. I'll walk him through it.
[07:27] <K-Rich> ironwolf: i only see mplayer-custom there
[07:27] <bob2> ah
[07:27] <K-Rich> crimsun: so i assume i need to wait or?
[07:27] <crimsun> prabu^: sudo apt-get install build-essential kernel-package linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:28] <randabis> you could compile mplayer from source...
[07:28] <ironwolf> k-rich: well, you could install from hoary, or from the .deb or you could always upgrade to hoary *also interesting, but less so lately*
[07:28] <K-Rich> randabis: was just thinking that
[07:28] <prabu^> crimsun brb yea
[07:28] <prabu^> lemme go log onto my other comp
[07:28] <ironwolf> k-rich: if I were you, I'd grab the .deb for mplayer-586 from the archive and dpkg -i  it
[07:28] <K-Rich> ironwolf: so i assume there is no way to get Totem-xine to play it then huh?
[07:28] <crimsun> K-Rich: you may use my backport if you understand that depending whether mplayer is rebuilt in hoary/multiverse, you may be stuck with my backport
[07:29] <ironwolf> k-rich: I struggled with totem-xine for a few hours, then ran to mplayer.  Never did get it working
[07:29] <K-Rich> crimsun: i'm just wanting to watch the DVD my sister ave me, nd this is my first try since moving from debian sid to warty
[07:30] <randabis> gxine's always an option too
[07:30] <K-Rich> crimsun: got a link?
[07:30] <crimsun> K-Rich: deb http://www.sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./
[07:30] <ironwolf> gxine?
[07:30] <randabis> yep
[07:30] <ironwolf> expand?
[07:30] <randabis> it's a gtk2 port of xine I believe...I use it, it's in universe
[07:32] <ironwolf> randabis: interesting.... thanks for gxine.
[07:33] <randabis-laptop> ah, back to the good ol' laptop
[07:34] <K-Rich> crimsun: see ya got bzflag too :)
[07:34] <crimsun> K-Rich: that was requested by occy.
[07:34] <K-Rich> :)
[07:38] <EvolutionR> I just installed Ubuntu. Well ubuntu quite different from other distros. Is the root account. When I open a terminal wanted to look at some directories, it wont let me! like cd /etc/ppp/peers how to enable root priviledges?
[07:39] <randabis-laptop> open a root terminal
[07:39] <randabis-laptop> it's in the system menu I believe
[07:39] <RuffianSoldier> sorry...........
[07:39] <bob2> EvolutionR: please read the FAQ
[07:39] <K-Rich> sudo su
[07:39] <K-Rich> heh
[07:39] <EvolutionR> but I dont know what the root password....while on the installation it said root have been disabled!
[07:40] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[07:40] <RuffianSoldier> use sudo
[07:40] <RuffianSoldier> sudo
[07:40] <RuffianSoldier> then pass of the user your in
[07:40] <bob2> EvolutionR: yes, please read the FAQ
[07:40] <bob2> EvolutionR: it explains all this
[07:40] <folken> EvolutionR, sudo -s
[07:40] <EvolutionR> : )
[07:40] <folken> EvolutionR, no root password is set.
[07:40] <randabis-laptop> if you really want a root password, we can tell you how
[07:40] <prabu^> Helloo
[07:40] <randabis-laptop> but it's not necessary at all
[07:40] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, not to question your authority, but this is IRC, and we are here to help, so wouldnt it be easier to tell him?
[07:40] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: no
[07:40] <prabu^> crimsun, yea ok im back how do u make audigy ls work again ?
[07:41] <topyli> EvolutionR: see what the root terminal you start from the menu is asking: your password, not root's
[07:41] <RuffianSoldier> although that question gets answered not stop......
[07:41] <K-Rich> crimsun: seems i can't install both mplayer-586 and mencoder-586 from your repository
[07:41] <EvolutionR> I;ve created the login for the pppoeconf...but I type poff to stop the connection saying None Stop
[07:41] <crimsun> prabu^: sudo apt-get install build-essential kernel-package linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:42] <crimsun> K-Rich: what error is thrown? use #flood if necessary.
[07:42] <folken> `uname -r`
[07:42] <barry6767> hi everyone is there a root password for the live cd? thanks
[07:42] <folken> barry6767, there is _no_ root password. use sudo
[07:42] <prabu^> says couldnt find kernel-package
[07:42] <K-Rich> crimsun: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/mencoder.1.gz', which is also in package mplayer-586
[07:43] <EvolutionR> RuffianSoldier: yeah we here to help each other, I've read the Read me / faq, someof the things don't understand that's y I came here to seek some help!
[07:43] <K-Rich> looks like i might can force it though since that's a man page
[07:43] <crimsun> K-Rich: ah. I'll look at that and correct it.
[07:43] <barry6767> thanks
[07:43] <crimsun> K-Rich: thanks.
[07:43] <bob2> EvolutionR: it's the only mention of the word 'root' in the FAQ index
[07:44] <crimsun> prabu^: but 'kernel-package' is in the 'main' repo...
[07:44] <crimsun> prabu^: make sure you have the main repo enabled
[07:44] <EvolutionR> I;ve created the login for the pppoeconf...but I type poff to stop the connection saying connection cannot beStop
[07:44] <prabu^> ahhhh the stuff in sources.list were not uncommented
[07:44] <topyli> barry6767: i don't think the live cd has a proper concept of "users" in the first place :)
[07:44] <prabu^> ok its gettin it now
[07:45] <prabu^> ok done that
[07:45] <prabu^> and is that it ?
[07:45] <crimsun> prabu^: no, far from it.
[07:45] <prabu^> ok
[07:46] <prabu^> i only see linux-headers in the src dir tho
[07:46] <crimsun> prabu^: wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/alsa-source_1.0.8-1_all.deb && sudo dpkg -i alsa-source_1.0.8-1_all.deb
[07:47] <prabu^> done
[07:47] <prabu^> what else
[07:47] <crimsun> prabu^: cd /usr/src ; tar xfz alsa-driver.tar.gz ; cd modules/alsa-driver
[07:48] <crimsun> prabu^: sorry, it's tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[07:48] <K-Rich> crimsun: it installs okay with 'dpkg -i --force-overwrite ...'
[07:48] <prabu^> ok
[07:48] <prabu^> im in modules/alsa-driver
[07:49] <crimsun> K-Rich: correct. I need to fix the installation of that man page and send the diff for hoary/multiverse
[07:49] <crimsun> prabu^: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source   and pick 'ca0106'
[07:49] <EvolutionR> RuffianSoldier: how to connect to internet? is there any Gui Dialer apps for PPPoE under ubuntu?
[07:49] <RuffianSoldier> i believe so
[07:50] <RuffianSoldier> i havent used Dial Up in along time, and when i did i wasnt using Linux
[07:50] <EvolutionR> using DSL connection
[07:50] <prabu^> done
[07:50] <EvolutionR> using a DSL connection
[07:50] <RuffianSoldier> ive got trouble
[07:50] <RuffianSoldier> the fire fox prefrences wotn come up
[07:51] <RuffianSoldier> i click it, and nothin happend
[07:51] <crimsun> prabu^: fakeroot ./debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[07:51] <RuffianSoldier> i gotta clear my history and cache
[07:51] <EvolutionR> RuffianSoldier: are u using DsL connection?
[07:51] <topyli> EvolutionR: pppoe is a mystery to me but can't it use regular ppp stuff in the userland?
[07:51] <RuffianSoldier> im using Cable
[07:52] <EvolutionR> I found the Gnome Network ==> add doesn't list a DSL connection :(
[07:52] <EvolutionR> other distro like Suse 9.2 have their kinternet
[07:52] <EvolutionR> I like kinternet easy to setup and dial to DSL
[07:53] <RuffianSoldier> brb
[07:53] <prabu^> fakeroot ?
[07:53] <EvolutionR> can kinternet (suse) install on the ubuntu???
[07:53] <crimsun> prabu^: yes.
[07:53] <prabu^> erm whats that
[07:53] <topyli> EvolutionR: i'm guessing that as far as gnome-network is concerned, you're using ppp
[07:54] <topyli> you just need the right ppp scripts to connect over pppoe
[07:54] <crimsun> prabu^: apt-cache show fakeroot
[07:54] <prabu^> its there
[07:54] <prabu^> but says no such command
[07:55] <crimsun> prabu^: sudo apt-get install fakeroot
[07:55] <EvolutionR> I dont like to type my password there " I like it to ask me to type a password b4 dialing to DSL connection
[07:55] <prabu^> ok :)
[07:55] <topyli> EvolutionR: ah, i thought you want to just be online all the time
[07:55] <EvolutionR> anyway I try to install kinternet on ubuntu
[07:57] <ferris> does linux have disk utilities? (ie. Disk Defragmentor in MS Win.)
[07:57] <ferris> does it need it?
[07:58] <topyli> kinternet doesn't seem to configure connections, on suse it seems to be done by yast first
[07:58] <topyli> oh, he's gone already
[07:59] <bob2> ferris: there's very rarely any need to defragement files
[07:59] <bob2> afaik no linux filesystem has a useful defragmentation tool
[08:00] <ferris> ?
[08:01] <ferris> bob2, how does linux keep the filesystem from being fragmented?
[08:01] <ferris> or where can i go to find this out?
[08:02] <jdub> ferris: linux filesystems are much smarter than windows filesystems, they avoid fragmentation
[08:03] <jdub> oh
[08:03] <jdub> you're asking why
[08:03] <jdub> i remember there being some good discussions about this on the kernel mailing list
[08:03] <jdub> you might want to google for relevant terms
[08:03] <ferris> jdub, doing it now
[08:09] <ferris> ok, I understand that fragmentation is not a *real* factor as linux handles this during a preload of the file... and is peculiar to the os....
[08:10] <topyli> i love the usenet: "in spite of all linux's benefits it keeps crap time"
[08:14] <Nigel> Just poping in to say thank you for those CD's via shipit...
[08:14] <MacPlusG3> bob2: xfs has xfs_fsr. there is also a reiser4 one (although i can't remember if this is non-free or not).
[08:14] <Nigel> however can i suggest that maybe a ubuntu logo on the package?
[08:17] <topyli> Nigel: it's almost as bad. it's free software, which will destroy our lifestyle and livelihood
[08:19] <Nigel> topyli: lol... honestly i thought it was... i was about to keep it closed and take it down to the Police Station
[08:20] <topyli> it's not too late ;)
[08:20] <Nigel> because well you know... bombs or anthrax that sorta thing (the bubble packing was the idea for that theory)
[08:20] <Lowry> gnome meeting work with isight?
[08:21] <topyli> Nigel: i still don't have the cds :(
[08:21] <Nigel> topyli: well watch out for white packing from switzerland
[08:21] <topyli> Nigel: yeah, i guess it's been a huge shipping, it takes time
[08:22] <topyli> Nigel: your last name probably begins with a C or D so you already got them :)
[08:22] <Nigel> topyli: J actually
[08:22] <topyli> heh
[08:23] <Nigel> i don't actually have a date of when i submitted the order... otherwise i'd tell you
[08:24] <topyli> i can't remember either. i think it was before warty release though
[08:26] <esas> hi
[08:27] <esas> i tried to enable the root account by typing "sudo passwd root", but it asks for the root password
[08:27] <Nigel> but yeah... thanks for the disks guys
[08:30] <ESKILO> keyboard shortcuts in gnome are just utterly f'ed up
[08:30] <ESKILO> all kinds of bugs
[08:34] <esas> anybody an idea?
[08:35] <topyli> ESKILO: have you told gnome what sort of keyboard you have?
[08:41] <melazyboy> hooray for random kernel crashes
[08:42] <melazyboy> esas: Yes type in what you want the root password to be, oh wise one
[08:42] <knghtbrd> hooray indeed
[08:43] <esas> melazyboy,
[08:43] <esas> Password:
[08:43] <esas> Sorry, try again.
[08:43] <K-Rich> Where can i find more icons for gnome?
[08:43] <melazyboy> esas: ... what account did you originally use when you installed hoary
[08:44] <esas> i been never asked for an account while installing, but i was asked for an user account
[08:45] <melazyboy> there you go
[08:45] <melazyboy> and when you log in as that master user account you should be able to sudo and set root
[08:46] <knghtbrd> US peoples still awake at this hour may want to know that Staples currently has a nice chair for $40 in leather or fabric.  It's not the softest chair in the world, but it's a task chair, so meant for getting work done and keeping you from injuring your back in long Ubuntu-using sessions.
[08:46] <esas> melazyboy, i am currently logged in as the user i selected while the installation
[08:48] <melazyboy> esas: try this
[08:49] <melazyboy> esas: sudo passwd -eu root
[08:49] <melazyboy> then try to 'login root'
[08:51] <esas> melazyboy, thanks, it works
[08:51] <melazyboy>  wow
[08:51] <melazyboy> im shocke
[08:51] <melazyboy> shocked
[08:51] <esas> why?
[08:51] <melazyboy> i woulden't think it would
[08:51] <EvolutionR> I've configure the pppoeconf. Successfully login. But I can't surf anywebsites. Resolving ... Can't ping www.google.com , there's nothing wrong with my DSL connection, I can surf internet on my WindowsXP. How come? Ubuntu come with firewall?
[08:51] <melazyboy> i just had it expire and unlock the account
[08:51] <melazyboy> woulden't think that would work on root, even as mstr accnt
[08:52] <melazyboy> EvolutionR: edit /etc/resolv.conf
[08:52] <esas> :D
[08:52] <melazyboy> add a nameserver
[08:52] <esas> thx melazyboy, cu
[08:52] <ESKILO> yes i have
[08:52] <melazyboy> or edit your /etc/network/interfacs
[08:53] <melazyboy> ESKILO: No if your on the internet, and you have your resolv.conf set up it would resolv =D
[08:53] <ESKILO> ??
[08:53] <melazyboy> ESKILO syntax, NAMESERVER <IP>
[08:53] <ESKILO> what are you talking about?
[08:53] <ESKILO> i was talking about my keymap issues.
[08:53] <melazyboy> i thought youwhere talking about DNS resolving
[08:53] <EvolutionR> rp-pppoe is "vulnerable" only if it is installed setuid-root, and it was never designed to be installed that way. what is setuid-root ?
[08:54] <melazyboy> It doesn't want your running your service as root -- what those errors usually mean or installed as root
[08:55] <K-Rich> ugh seems i have a modem issue to tackle tommorow.. see you all then
[08:55] <K-Rich> night :)
[08:55] <mebaran> Anyone here on AMD64
[08:55] <mebaran> and having trouble with Evolution
[08:55] <crimsun> mebaran: crashing early during program startup?
[08:55] <mebaran> its contact manager mainly not being able to add subtract or change contacts
[08:55] <mebaran> nope
[08:56] <mebaran> it wont import a vcard, add a contact, or really do anything
[08:56] <mebaran> everything is grayed out
[08:56] <plovs> does anybody know how to forcefully rewrite a usb-key that is not being recognized (anymore)?
[08:56] <ESKILO> topyli: i tell keyboard shortcuts to make mod4-right arrow play the next track for instance.  it records the combo fine, but it doesn't work.  later i get this weird glitch where just pressing an arrow key DOES work, without even holding down mod4
[08:57] <melazyboy> oh son of a freking bitch your kidding me
[08:58] <melazyboy> i just spent 30min truble shooting X because it was loading a backup copy of an archaic conf file from the home dir
[08:58] <melazyboy> wow now thats shocking, seems like that could be a security flaw
[08:58] <topyli> ESKILO: weird. works here(TM)
[08:58] <melazyboy> now anyone can load foreign x modules into X by throwing an xorg.conf file in their home directory
[08:59] <EvolutionR> what is setuid-root?
[08:59] <melazyboy> Set User ID - ROOT
[09:00] <melazyboy> print_stupid_error_msg() if setuid() eq 'root';
[09:00] <EvolutionR> melazybod something like ID no?
[09:01] <EvolutionR> ohhh okie thanks!
[09:01] <melazyboy> uid usually means unique ID, im guessing in this syntax though it means set user id, its probably a function call to check who is logged in
[09:04] <mebaran> Noboyd has any ideas
[09:04] <mebaran> why the contact part in my Evolution
[09:04] <mebaran> is completely disabled
[09:04] <mebaran> it cannot make or save new contacts
[09:04] <mebaran> anymore
[09:04] <melazyboy> mebaran: Because evolution is notoriously unstable and your copy is borked
[09:06] <melazyboy> god i really hate ati with a passion
[09:07] <DIE_ATI> there we go. venting.
[09:08] <mebaran> anything lother than Evolution
[09:08] <mebaran> I mean
[09:08] <mebaran> I do use my computer for my then borking
[09:08] <mebaran> I would like to fix it
[09:08] <mebaran> because I happen to need a contact manager
[09:09] <mebaran> that will read my vcards
[09:09] <mebaran> that took so long to creat
[09:09] <DIE_ATI> not to be trendy but how about thunderbird?
[09:11] <DIE_ATI> dear god 2.6.10 is so shitty
[09:11] <DIE_ATI> you know the funny thing
[09:12] <DIE_ATI> im finding my most stable machines
[09:12] <DIE_ATI> are running the dev kerneles
[09:12] <DIE_ATI> kernels*
[09:12] <topyli> mebaran: is this the stable evolution? obviously you've found a bug we haven't seen yet
[09:13] <topyli> mebaran: or you've broken it yourself, that's another possibility :)
[09:13] <DIE_ATI> topyli: is there a known issue with autosmbmount in 2.6.10 with right access
[09:15] <topyli> DIE_ATI: i wouldn't know about that :)
[09:15] <mebaran> topyli:how
[09:15] <mebaran> this is a clean install
[09:15] <mebaran> on a new formatted disk
[09:15] <mebaran> I would like to know how to unbreak it then
[09:16] <mebaran> I woudl hope the package is not so easy to break
[09:16] <mebaran> but of course it is possible
[09:16] <mebaran> brb
[09:16] <topyli> mebaran: then it's a bug. you should report it
[09:27] <DIE_ATI> wow 56days uptime not to shabby without a ups
[09:34] <mebaran> ok back
[09:34] <mebaran> so any ideas as to why Evolution would be broken on a clean install
[09:34] <mebaran> on an AMD64 system
[09:34] <mebaran> so that the Contact manager is completely nonfuctional, being unable to add contacts or import them or even cahnge a setting
[09:35] <mebaran> would this be library problem of sorts
[09:35] <DIE_ATI> oh man come on now 2.6.10 so unstable
[09:35] <Stew2> Heyo. How do I stop the GDM? I have ubuntu and the desktop freezes up, although I can SSH from another machine.
[09:35] <DIE_ATI> Ive never seen such bull shit as this, so disapointed
[09:35] <Stew2> THe mouse is frozen too. Everything video wise seems completely locked.
[09:36] <fabbione> DIE_ATI: what is so "unstable"?
[09:36] <Stew2> It might be a heating problem. Until I get it resolved. How do I kill the GDM?
[09:36] <jdub> Stew2: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:36] <DIE_ATI> fabbione: nautilus is causing a kernel crash when browing a samba share with 2.6.10
[09:36] <EvolutionR> I tried the Roaring penguin pppoE. Type ADSL-START...connected. When I tried my firefox browser, type www.google.com nothing happens Resovling...I tried to ping www.google.com Unknown:host someting like that? I have tried both pppoeconf...rp-pppoe noting seems to connect the internet (DSL)
[09:36] <fabbione> DIE_ATI: what version of 2.6.10 are you running?
[09:37] <DIE_ATI> fabbione: the newest i would assume i just compiled from source today
[09:37] <DIE_ATI> without error
[09:37] <fabbione> DIE_ATI: pointless. are you running an ubuntu kernel? or one from kernel.org
[09:37] <jdub> DIE_ATI: why didn't you use the ubuntu kernel?
[09:37] <EvolutionR> Is ubuntu on Firewall or SELinux?
[09:37] <jdub> EvolutionR: there's no selinux, and no (supported) gui firewall configuration tool
[09:37] <Stew2> jdub Heya! Now, I just gotta stop it from locking up.
[09:37] <DIE_ATI> fabbione: source was retreived from archive
[09:38] <jdub> EvolutionR: try firestarter if you want a gui one
[09:38] <fabbione> DIE_ATI: when?
[09:38] <DIE_ATI> i got it because i was compiling the fglrx driver, and they had a folder so aptly named 2.6.10 but it as much of ati's releases simply doesn't work siting a bad symbol and 2.6.8 function names, there is a patch for it online
[09:38] <DIE_ATI> fabbione: Today
[09:39] <EvolutionR> jdub: okie...but I have trouble getting my ubuntu DSL connection (this is my first ubuntu installed distro) previously I can connect using other distro except ubuntu....is there a bug or wat?
[09:39] <fabbione> DIE_ATI: we do ship the ati binary driver, but after you load a binary driver the kernel is TAINED. that means that we don't ensure stability anymore
[09:39] <siimo> EvolutionR, what kinda DSL ?
[09:39] <jdub> EvolutionR: i don't know, depends on what you're doing
[09:39] <fabbione> DIE_ATI: you need to try without any binary driver
[09:40] <EvolutionR> siimo: DSL on 512 kbps 128 kbps connection from my local ISP !
[09:40] <DIE_ATI> fabbione: Im not loading the driver your binary failed silently and that pisses me off like nothing else, take no offense i guess it happens
[09:40] <EvolutionR> siimo: no problem with the connection using windows
[09:40] <siimo> EvolutionR, i meant how you connect to it? USB modem? router?
[09:40] <fabbione> DIE_ATI: also.. just use the ubuntu kernel. compiling it yourself without applying any patch is useless, since we do apply a smbfs fix
[09:40] <DIE_ATI> fabbione: I tried making my own, i got the error message, many other people are having the same error
[09:40] <DIE_ATI> fabbione: This is without the fglrx driver installed, it failed w/ error when i did it myself
[09:41] <fabbione> DIE_ATI: dude.. do you apply all the patches we ship?
[09:41] <DIE_ATI> fabbione: do you know if the 2.6.11 src has the fix for smbfs?
[09:41] <fabbione> DIE_ATI: no it doesn't because it's only in -ac tree and we backported it
[09:42] <EvolutionR> I'm not alone here trying to surf internet with the Ubuntu DSL connection....I search at the Ubuntu Forum alot of ppl mention about their can't connect dsl connections on Ubuntu distro
[09:42] <fabbione> DIE_ATI: please cat /proc/sys/kernel/tainted
[09:42] <mebaran> damnit I am so annoyed with Evolution
[09:42] <EvolutionR> siimo: my Aztech DSL 305E using bridge mode
[09:43] <DIE_ATI> fabbione: no, I download the kernel source and then kill all of the senseless crap in effort to get my system to work and then bake the modules that are loaded by default into the kernel. its a hobby
[09:43] <mebaran> not EvolutionR sorry
[09:43] <EvolutionR> mebaran: scare me
[09:43] <EvolutionR> :P
[09:43] <DIE_ATI> no such file or directory
[09:43] <mebaran> I am so annoyed with the damn damn contacts
[09:43] <mebaran> I am going to shoot someone
[09:43] <mebaran> I even got a 32 bit chroot going here
[09:43] <fabbione> DIE_ATI: ok.. you are on your own than :-) including the module load failure. removing "crap" means breaking ABI compatibility with precompiled modules
[09:44] <mebaran> but I can get the damn evolution contacts to run
[09:44] <EvolutionR> mebaran dont use evolution then try thunderbird
[09:44] <mebaran> EvolutionR: did
[09:44] <topyli> mebaran: how are going to kill someone, you can't even get in touch with them
[09:44] <mebaran> haha
[09:44] <mebaran> sorry
[09:44] <EvolutionR> mebaran: did ur thunderbird give any errors?
[09:44] <mebaran> no
[09:44] <mebaran> Thunderbird runs fine
[09:44] <mebaran> but Thunderbird
[09:44] <mebaran> doesnt do contacts
[09:44] <mebaran> and addressbook and calendary
[09:45] <mebaran> the most important part of evolution for me is the calendar
[09:45] <mebaran> and the addressbook
[09:45] <EvolutionR> mebaran: I think thunderbird have
[09:45] <DIE_ATI> fabbione: I relise that, but this should still work, with a custom kernel if i apt the binary i would expect it to fail not succeed silently, as it does, it never edits the config it download it installs as it shows in the dpkg database, it just doesn't work, and the module fglrx can't be modprobed because its not present at all
[09:45] <mebaran> I use webmail mostly
[09:45] <mebaran> but I need contacts and phones to be readily available
[09:45] <EvolutionR> siimo: my Aztech DSL 305E using bridge mode
[09:45] <mebaran> should I file a bug report
[09:46] <mebaran> because it certianly resemlbes a bug
[09:46] <EvolutionR> mebaran: did u uprage ur evolution?
[09:46] <mebaran> EvolutionR: nope
[09:46] <mebaran> this is a clean install
[09:46] <mebaran> on a formatted hdd
[09:46] <mebaran> nothing but ubuntu-desktop installed
[09:46] <DIE_ATI> not to mention the linux-source, for 2.6.10 is supposed to already have ubuntu patches per the synaptic description
[09:46] <mebaran> no custom installations
[09:46] <EvolutionR> I recommend u to upgrade see if it helps u
[09:46] <mebaran> I have
[09:46] <mebaran> that was the first thing I tried
[09:47] <EvolutionR> u mean the latest version available
[09:47] <fabbione> DIE_ATI: it has them in debian/patches. they are not applied + there is a linux-patch package to apply all of them in one shot
[09:48] <fabbione> you have tons of ways to reach the same goal
[09:48] <mebaran> I think I have the latest version in the repos
[09:48] <EvolutionR> anyway I wanted to install apps.rpm, it give an error "if you want to install rpm on debian package. use alien ? what's alien? how do I install rpm? I was confuse by Ubuntu!!! not user friendly
[09:48] <crimsun> EvolutionR: apt-cache show alien
[09:49] <mebaran> should I try unisntalling evolution and using the 64 bit rpm I found for fedora
[09:49] <mebaran> bmaybe that might have better luck
[09:49] <mebaran> it cant get more broken than it is now
[09:49] <EvolutionR> crimsun: what does apt-cache show alien does? I'm sure dont want to mess up this sys
[09:50] <siimo> EvolutionR, so whats the problem with your connection?
[09:50] <crimsun> EvolutionR: it displays information about the 'alien' package
[09:50] <siimo> EvolutionR, what you have there is an ethernet router  so it should work as normal lan connection
[09:50] <EvolutionR> siimo: here's the problem I've "adsl-start" "Connected" try to sufr web, ping www.google.com "uknown host" failed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:51] <siimo> EvolutionR, are you using DHCP ?
[09:51] <EvolutionR> siimo: nop, I insert the 10.0.0.X
[09:51] <EvolutionR> subnet: 255.255.255.0
[09:51] <EvolutionR> gateway: 10.0.0.X
[09:52] <siimo> EvolutionR, try this  -> echo "nameserver  xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" > /etc/resolv.conf
[09:52] <siimo> where xxx.xxx... is your isp DNS server
[09:52] <EvolutionR> dns: 202.188..X
[09:52] <EvolutionR> I have inserted dns
[09:52] <EvolutionR> is said connected when I type "adsl-status"
[09:52] <EvolutionR> it show ppp0 link up
[09:53] <siimo> whats adsl-status adsl-start etc anyway? shouldn't your connection work as normal lan? with eth0 ?
[09:53] <EvolutionR> okie let's forget about adsl-start thing
[09:53] <EvolutionR> siimo: teach me how to connect to the internet using lan?
[09:54] <EvolutionR> I m on windows now
[09:54] <siimo> EvolutionR, you plugged into ethernet card?
[09:55] <EvolutionR> siimo: yes Ethernet Card Eth0
[09:55] <EvolutionR> I using this chatting with u so nothing wrong with my connection on winxp
[09:56] <xukun> is there somebody from ubuntu maintainers here?
[09:56] <EvolutionR> Realtek
[09:56] <topyli> EvolutionR: i don't think you have pppoe after all like you said before :)
[09:56] <EvolutionR> wat u talking about I use pppoe on winxp using bridgemode winxp dialers
[09:57] <EvolutionR> ubuntu have installed pppoeconf
[09:57] <siimo> EvolutionR, ok.. mine was autoconfigured cause i use DHCP but try going into Computer -> System Configuration -> Networking
[09:57] <EvolutionR> siimo: okie
[09:57] <topyli> ah then it's not a LAN thing
[09:58] <EvolutionR> I siimo: can u send me the screen shots of ur lan settings
[09:58] <EvolutionR> ur can erase the ip add
[09:59] <siimo> EvolutionR, im not currently on ubuntu
[09:59] <EvolutionR> but which destop ur using kde or gnome?
[09:59] <EvolutionR> siimo: im using gnome 2.8
[10:00] <EvolutionR> I think is the same
[10:00] <siimo> EvolutionR, why dont you try this ?  edit /etc/network/interfaces
[10:00] <siimo> EvolutionR, add an entry like this -> http://www.cae.wisc.edu/fsg/linux/linux-configtcpip.html#debian
[10:01] <siimo> EvolutionR, all mine has is this -> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[10:01] <siimo> since i use DHCP
[10:01] <EvolutionR> siimo: I try
[10:02] <EvolutionR> siimo what desktop ur using kde or gnome?
[10:02] <siimo> gnome
[10:02] <EvolutionR> 2.8?
[10:02] <siimo> yes but im not on ubuntu so i dont have those nextwork tools
[10:02] <EvolutionR> nvm I try ur suggestions
[10:02] <siimo> ubuntu is on my home desktop cant get screenshots now
[10:02] <EvolutionR> nvm
[10:02] <EvolutionR> I try
[10:03] <EvolutionR> gtg now
[10:03] <EvolutionR> bye nice chat with ya
[10:03] <siimo> bye
[10:05] <deva> i want to install cupsys on ubuntu ...every time when i tell apt-get install cupsys....it says to do apt-get -f install when i did like that it says it will install unwanted  things which i donot want to install...how to get rid of it
[10:06] <topyli> deva: you have broken packages. let apt fix them. or, find the broken ones and remove them
[10:06] <Emanuelez> hello *
[10:07] <deva> topyli: how to remove dude?
[10:07] <Emanuelez> what is te advantage of using LDAP authentication in egroupware?
[10:07] <topyli> deva: 'apt-get remove dude' :)
[10:08] <robsta> hi
[10:08] <deva> topyli: ok,,,,no way to find specific broken package
[10:08] <topyli> deva: synaptic and aptitude are pretty good at finding them
[10:09] <deva> topyli: ok. thx
[10:09] <topyli> deva: with apt, you can see what it wants to install when you use -f and see what depends on them. but that's more difficult
[10:09] <robsta> i'm wondering which package Xauth.h is in
[10:10] <deva> topyli: ok.
[10:10] <Hwolf> #ubuntu-devel
[10:10] <robsta> Hwolf: ok, bye
[10:10] <Hwolf> ?
[10:12] <topyli> woohoo! it's late enough so i'm allowed to go to work
[10:15] <siimo> hi.. is this a bug in the new nautilus 2.9.x ?  -  the icon labels zoom out smaller than the gnome font size specified  , its very annoying , i like the icons 75% zoom  , but icon text zooms out as well and becomes unreadable
[10:18] <siimo> this didnt happen in 2.8x
[10:22] <xukun> why ist not possible to choose the version af the nvidia drivers to be installed when using apt-get install nvidia-glx?
[10:22] <Hwolf> xukun, only the latest drivers are packaged
[10:24] <VSpike> do I have any chance of getting a winmodem working in ubuntu?
[10:24] <zeedo> VSpike: same chance youll have in any distro really
[10:25] <xukun> Hwolf, then I a have a big problem, my nvidia card dont work well with the latest 6629 driver. The 6111 version and older works fine
[10:25] <VSpike> i'm not up to date on the state of winmodem support in linux. i know it used to be a non-starter.  Last I heard some efforts were being made.  Where's it at now?
[10:25] <zeedo> VSpike: same as its always been, some modems work fine others dont, just depends on the chipset
[10:25] <zeedo> VSpike: google modem model and see if you can find anyone thats had success
[10:26] <VSpike> ah okay. well, last time i looked like i say there were none that worked, so that's something.  According to the device manager, it's an intel chipset so maybe I will have some luck
[10:26] <DIE_ATI> Can you disable SMB file system support, and enable CIFS support, in the kernel and still mount windows shares?
[10:26] <Hwolf> xukun, you'll have to uninstall the prepackaged and manually install the vanilla driver from nvidia.com
[10:27] <VSpike> I also wanted to know about ACPI. when I shut down, i have to power off manually.  Also is there sleep/hibernate support? I can't see it.  Do I have to do something extra to get it?
[10:27] <xukun> Hwolf, is there some kind of readme of installing the nvidia vanilla driver on Ubuntu?
[10:28] <xukun> hoary
[10:29] <Hwolf> xukun, you can just use the nvidia/xorg installation guide. That should work fine.
[10:30] <xukun> Hwolf, and where should that guide be?
[10:30] <Hwolf> the readme of the driver package you can download from the nvidia site.
[10:31] <VSpike> what does it mean if i see modprobe errors relating to hotplug system on boot?
[10:31] <Hwolf> Vspike, don't worry. Those mean nothing.
[10:31] <VSpike> that's good :)
[10:31] <xukun> Hwolf, thanks
[10:31] <Hwolf> Vspike, as to aspci, that got a complete overhaul in Hoary. If you're running hoary, file a bug. If it's warty, sit it out.
[10:32] <Hwolf> acpi, sorry
[10:32] <VSpike> the other problem i noticed is that when i restart the machine, the kernel fails to start.  But on a cold boot, or a hard reset, it's fine.  How would I go about troubleshooting that?
[10:32] <crimsun> xukun: is 6629 problematic for you on Hoary?
[10:32] <VSpike> Hwolf: thanks for that. I'm running warty.
[10:34] <swim> anyone running hoary + nvidia-glx?
[10:35] <swim> anyone at all
[10:35] <VSpike> I guess I should wait until I'm in front of the machine and can post the exact kernel error
[10:36] <Hwolf> Vspike: Roger
[10:36] <swim> argh I cant seem to use the nvidia 6111 nvidia-glx package (the warty version) with hoary, but the hoary version of nvidia-glx (6229) doesnt work on my machine... never has
[10:37] <VSpike> thanks for the help!
[10:38] <crimsun> swim: yes
[10:38] <Hwolf> swim: warty-glx package is set up for xfree, hoary-glx is set up for xorg
[10:38] <swim> Hwolf ooh, is there anything I can do? can I use the nvidia.com installer?
[10:38] <swim> of the older version
[10:39] <crimsun> it makes sense to just downgrade all those nvidia packages to their warty versions and place them on hold
[10:39] <Hwolf> swim, I'd get the nvidia.com version and do that yes. Just uninstall the ubuntu versions first
[10:40] <bazer> how does one install a kernel with all its patches on ubuntu. I want to compile a third party driver.
[10:40] <swim> yah those new nvidia drivers are a pain for a lot of people
[10:41] <crimsun> bazer: compiling a third-party driver only requires linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:41] <bazer> vmware-config doesnt
[10:42] <xukun> crimsun, tell me please
[10:42] <crimsun> bazer: hmm? what else does it require?
[10:42] <bazer> the source repository properly patched in /usr/src/linux
[10:43] <swim> hmm it seems I dont have libglx.a ... do I need to install that seperatley?
[10:43] <crimsun> xukun: downgrade nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-source, and nvidia-kernel-common all to their warty (6111) versions and put them on hold using aptitude
[10:44] <Hwolf> crimson: xfree - xorg, won't work.
[10:44] <swim> crimsun: oh I can do that instead of installing nvidia using the installer from nvidia.com?
[10:44] <crimsun> xukun: obviously this implies a matching kernel downgrade unless you plan on compiling it manually.
[10:44] <crimsun> Hwolf: it actually works fine. I did it on several machines at work.
[10:45] <Hwolf> crimson: ?? does it. Sorry then.
[10:45] <swim> crimsun: is it possible to use the nvidia installer?
[10:45] <swim> for the older version
[10:45] <crimsun> Hwolf: the issue is of course linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[10:46] <crimsun> swim: yes, but be aware that it will clobber all the polite diversions that nvidia-glx creates
[10:46] <swim> crimsun: what diversions are those?
[10:46] <crimsun> swim: not to mention it will overwrite the kernel module in linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[10:47] <swim> crimsun: so the safest thing to do is downgrade everything including kernel?
[10:47] <crimsun> swim: the libglx and libGL ones
[10:47] <crimsun> swim: if you wish to continue using Ubuntu-provided packages, yes.
[10:48] <swim> ok Ill just do that then thx
[10:48] <xukun> crimsun, crimsun ok, where do I start? how do I downgrade things
[10:48] <crimsun> bazer: if VMware requires that, then someone needs to file a bug on their bugtracking system
[10:49] <crimsun> bazer: anything that requires /usr/src/linux to be populated is broken according to Linus himself. The proper method is to check /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[10:49] <Dko> Well I finnaly was able to compile that source code. (yay!) Thanks for the help. But... >_<
[10:49] <Dko> now when I run startup I get root@roc-24-169-212-6:/home/jesse/dbsc2.5/src # ulimit: Command not found.
[10:50] <siimo> crimsun, so nvidia is broken then.. ?
[10:50] <crimsun> siimo: in which respects? ;-)
[10:50] <Dko> This seams a much more linux orented question.  So could someone help me resolve this prob? ^^
[10:50] <crimsun> siimo: the nvidia installer properly checks /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[10:51] <siimo> crimsun, it asked me for /usr/src ..
[10:51] <crimsun> siimo: it only falls through to that as a last resort
[10:52] <swim> the warty kernel is 2.6.8.1-3 right?
[10:53] <crimsun> swim: -4-
[10:53] <crimsun> swim: (warty-security)
[10:53] <Dko> Could someone tell me why im getting 'Command not found' with ulimit ?
[10:54] <crimsun> Dko: it's normally a shell "builtin"
[10:54] <crimsun> Dko: are you using a Csh-based shell?
[10:55] <xukun> crimsun, I never downgraded things before
[10:55] <Dko> Well I just installed the Csh package.  Would I Have to do a different package for the shell?
[10:56] <swim> crimsun: can I install the nvidia warty stuff while booted onto the hoary kernel? or do I need to reboot into the warty one first
[10:56] <crimsun> Dko: err, you didn't have (weren't supposed) to install it; that was a question referencing which shell you are using when you get the ulimit error
[10:57] <Dko> Crimsun: Im not shure.  I mean I install csh for something else just recently.
[10:57] <Dko> *installed
[10:57] <crimsun> swim: you can certainly downgrade the userland nvidia packages regardless of the kernel you're running, and more than likely you didn't purge the older kernels or linux-restricted-modules
[10:59] <crimsun> swim: if you have time, please assist xukun with downgrading; he faces the same procedure
[10:59] <Dko> I just type ./startup for the mud im trying to get running.  Its what gives the ulimit problem
[10:59] <swim> crimsun:what Ive done so far is ust remove the nvidia packages (3) and installed the warty kernel, now Im going to install the 3 nvidia packages again from warty, is that good of me :) ?
[11:00] <crimsun> swim: actually all you have to do is downgrade nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common. Then make sure you still have the warty kernel and linux-restricted-modules [for that kernel] 
[11:01] <crimsun> Dko: `getent passwd $USER' should tell you the shell your user is configured to use by default
[11:01] <swim> crimsun: not sure what the difference between downgrading and removing the hoary nvidia packages, and installing the warty nvidia packages is
[11:01] <weezer_> I'm having a strange problem with a HP Deskjet 550 printer: I installes just fine and printing a test page works too. But printing out of _any_ program doesn't. Any ideas?
[11:01] <crimsun> swim: the results are identical
[11:02] <swim> ok good :)
[11:02] <Dko> I get root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[11:02] <Dko> What ever that all means. ><
[11:02] <crimsun> Dko: did you execute csh or tcsh at any time?
[11:03] <Dko> the ./startup I did might.  I seamed to require csh.
[11:03] <crimsun> Dko: (and why are you attempting to execute your mud application as root?)
[11:03] <swim> crap tried to install nvidia-glx, and linux-restricted-modules... and returned nvidia-kernel-common is not installed, but thats also not available as a package download... can I fix this?
[11:04] <crimsun> swim: remember that you would need the warty repo line(s)
[11:04] <swim> crimsun: yes theyre in there
[11:04] <swim> warty-security
[11:04] <crimsun> swim: not just warty-security, you also need warty
[11:04] <swim> ah ok
[11:05] <Dko> Crimsun.  I have no clue what im doing here. The instructions told me to put startup and dbsaga (mud executable) in my dbsc2.5 directory and then type ./startup 4000 &  I do that and get the ulimit prob
[11:05] <crimsun> swim: if you're going to downgrade, it's well worth your while to familiarize yourself with aptitude's man page, particularly the install=version parameter and value
[11:05] <Dko> At first I got something about /bin/csh so I installed the csh package.
[11:06] <crimsun> Dko: is that a mud daemon or a mud client?
[11:06] <Dko> Its a mud server if thats what you mean.
[11:07] <swim> crimsun: ok I will once I get this nvidia stuff taken care of, is it wrong to just have changed the line with hoary to have warty and warty-security ? because when I put both in there apt-get update is returning errors
[11:07] <crimsun> Dko: daemon->server here
[11:07] <Hwolf> How do I check which location I've set during base-config?
[11:07] <Dko> Ohh ok.  I don't know much termanology yet
[11:07] <crimsun> Hwolf: "location?"
[11:08] <Hwolf> Yeah. First you select language, then where you live, then keyboard layout, then timezone, right?
[11:08] <crimsun> swim: if your base is hoary, always keep hoary in your sources.list. Since you're downgrading, you'll want to (re)add warty and warty-security lines (they can be commented out after you're finished downgrading and putting those packages on hold).
[11:09] <crimsun> swim: again, this instance is particularly relevant to learning aptitude's install=version parameter and value
[11:11] <swim> crimsun: the problem is that having warty and warty-security is returning errors when using apt-get update
[11:11] <swim> while each alone does not
[11:11] <crimsun> swim: use #flood to paste the errors
[11:12] <crimsun> Hwolf: `tzconfig', `dpkg-reconfigure console-data', etc.
[11:12] <Dko> So any clue into my problem? >_< SHould I uninstall the csh package I installed and give the error I get for not having that instead?
[11:12] <swim> crimsun: well I just removed warty-restricted since all I needed was the kernel, and got the nvidia stuff from warty
[11:12] <Dko> *about ready to smash head into a wall*
[11:13] <swim> brb let me see if this works
[11:13] <crimsun> Dko: what mud daemon are you attempting to configure and execute?
[11:14] <crimsun> xukun: please ask swim to assist you when he successfully configures 6111 on his hoary system.
[11:15] <Dko> Yay im ignored again. >>
[11:16] <Dko> Opps nm
[11:16] <xukun> crimsun, I will
[11:16] <Dko> Its a custom smaug code base calles dbsaga 2.5
[11:16] <Dko> *called
[11:18] <vj> i just cannot get ubuntu to work
[11:18] <mattv> i can't get ubuntu to install either
[11:19] <mattv> i can run the live CD but i get a disc error when i try the Install CD
[11:19] <vj> i have four isa sent by ubuntu and two i downloaded from the site, but still can't make it work, is it something wrong at my end
[11:19] <vj> same here i can run the live cd
[11:19] <crimsun> Dko: I'm not familiar with it. Does their configuration/executing scheme require csh or tcsh? If so, you should direct your questions to them...
[11:20] <mattv> i have two that came in the mail and i get an error with both of them
[11:20] <Dko> *sighs* Alright.  It seams to require csh.
[11:21] <topyli> mattv: dunno, but i do know they are entirely different systems. the livecd is based on morphix
[11:22] <mattv> yeah
[11:22] <vj> matt i am waiting for your acceptance
[11:23] <mattv> ?
[11:23] <mattv> what do you mean
[11:23] <vj> i have sent you a request for chat
[11:23] <mattv> i must not have got it
[11:23] <mattv> but i have to go anyways
[11:23] <vj> okay
[11:23] <vj> we have the same problem
[11:23] <mattv> yeah
[11:24] <mattv> i just hope it's something with my comp that i can fix
[11:24] <mattv> and not the CD
[11:24] <vj> well i don't think so
[11:24] <mattv> yeah
[11:24] <mattv> i kinda do to
[11:24] <vj> i can load fc3, suse 9.2, mandrake 10.1, kanotix, yoper......name it even the live cd from ubuntu
[11:25] <vj> even if i can install ubuntu half of the things don't respond
[11:25] <mattv> hmm
[11:25] <mattv> well i have to go
[11:25] <mattv> later man] 
[11:26] <vj> ok
[11:26] <vj> anyone to help me with this kinda problem
[11:26] <vj> anyone to help me with ubuntu install
[11:31] <chibifs> Hmmm. Is there an easy way to run a single X app seperate from the X server?
[11:32] <ddaa> Heya. Is there a known problem with Evolution displaying quoted-printable emails when the locale is set to LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 on Warty?
[11:32] <ddaa> Or should I complain to the sender?
[11:32] <topyli> chibifs: on another xserver
[11:33] <chibifs> Well, I was thinking with screen, you know, you can live a screen session running and SSH into it. But I perfer Gaim for IRC :/
[11:33] <chibifs> Just don't want to lose Gaim when I restart X.
[11:34] <topyli> chibifs: gaim can live on a remote box, but it needs your local x i'm afraid
[11:34] <beezly> chibifs: you *could* run it on the Xvnc server and the use a vnc session to that, but it's awfully icky
[11:35] <chibifs> Yeah.. That's why I was curious if there was a better way :P
[11:35] <topyli> beezly: sounds like a bit of overkill for irc  :)
[11:35] <beezly> topyli: yeah, it's a nasty way to do it
[11:35] <beezly> another way to do it is to use and IRC "proxy"
[11:36] <topyli> chibifs: i'd run irssi in that situation
[11:36] <topyli> beezly: now i'm interested
[11:36] <beezly> topyli: exactly, irssi
[11:36] <chibifs> I guess I'll setup this laptop over here as a dedicated IRC laptop :P
[11:36] <chibifs> I can bear to use IRSSI on it :D
[11:37] <Hwolf> irssi is a lifesaver. :-D
[11:37] <beezly> chibifs: i believe irssi can do the proxying business, but I've never used it so I'm not sure
[11:37] <topyli> chibifs: i sometimes run remote irssi on my phone :)
[11:37] <topyli> *from*, not on
[11:37] <chibifs> I'll run screen/irssi on the laptop so I don't need to lose it even on reboots.
[11:38] <beezly> chibifs: nah, what I think you do is run irssi on some machine somewhere that never gets rebooted.. then use your favourite irc client to log into that rather than direct to irc
[11:39] <chibifs> I'll give it a shot. ^_^
[11:39] <chibifs> Hmm. Now the big question for the laptop-- Gentoo or Lunar. :/
[11:40] <chibifs> It's a 586. I want to squeeze every bit of power I can out of it.
[11:40] <topyli> beezly: lots of people run irssi on university servers and just ssh over
[11:41] <topyli> chibifs: lunar?
[11:42] <chibifs> Lunar is another source distro. Probably not as supported as Gentoo.. But Gentoo just looks scary :O
[11:43] <chibifs> And if it keeps source on harddisk, I'm pretty out of luck :/
[11:43] <topyli> chibifs: they do have some good news on their site: "e17 lives!" :)
[11:43] <bazer> so there is no way to install a fully-patched source tree from the current kernel (including the config, which oddly enough is not in /proc/config*)
[11:44] <chibifs> Lunar is by some of the XFCE guys, I hang out with them alot :D
[11:45] <melazyboy> alright so im trying to patch the linux kernel with the ubuntu set, so i did it and it bitched about it already having the patches, so out of boredom i gave it the -f, now im not getting any output ant its taking forever
[11:45] <bazer> melazyboy: same here
[11:45] <topyli> hmm. " To date e17 is not very feature rich, but sure does have a lot of nice eye candy" =)
[11:46] <melazyboy> i didn't even read your posts
[11:46] <melazyboy> bazer: i just need my smbfs working
[11:46] <melazyboy> bazer: I mean i dont see how kernel.org released 2.6.10 with it broken
[11:47] <bazer> define broken
[11:48] <melazyboy> completly lacking write support
[11:49] <melazyboy> I have entries in my fstab that automount 2 smbdrives, i can't unmount them when i boot with 2.6.10 and i can't write to them, none of the args have changed; my fstab hasn't been modified,
[11:50] <scoon> melazyboy, but smb libs have changed.  what is the err you get when trying to write to them ?
[11:50] <melazyboy> I dont get an error i tried via nautilus and the create dir options and remove file were just grayed out
[11:52] <scoon> melazyboy, so then they are working just fine.  nautilus is an extra layer on  top.  Try to use CLI to do the same things that you tried in nautilus and you will see what the problem is.
[11:52] <scoon> melazyboy, or take a peek at the logs
[11:53] <melazyboy> ok thats odd.
[11:53] <pdamoc> hello
[11:53] <melazyboy> I can create them in cli
[11:53] <melazyboy> i just can't in nautilus
[11:53] <melazyboy> wtf thats the absolute only thing i use nautilus for
[11:53] <melazyboy> **rolls over dead*
[11:53] <pdamoc> I've installed Warty on my brother's PC now I want to install some games....
[11:54] <pdamoc> since the computer is not connected to internet how can I do that (installation of the game) safe
[11:54] <scoon> melazyboy, hoary ?
[11:54] <melazyboy> scoon: yar =/
[11:55] <scoon> melazyboy, well maybe that will get fixed as 2.10 gets closer.  or try warty and see if it worked in 2.8
[11:55] <melazyboy> auctually i might be able to whip up a bug report on this one
[11:55] <scoon> melazyboy, and of cource, you could look over the nautilu bugzilla and see what has yet to be done
[11:55] <melazyboy> I think i know what it might be
[11:56] <melazyboy> im rebooting that box now
[11:57] <Moiana> will an apt-get dist-upgrade take me from warty to hoary?
[11:57] <melazyboy> if you s/warty/hoary; in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:59] <melazyboy> hrm
[11:59] <melazyboy> i wonder if the permissions registered as this before
[11:59] <melazyboy> the folder has drwxr-xr-x which would mean no write support for my x user
[12:00] <Moiana> Greetings, Ubuntu-ers
[12:00] <melazyboy> scoon: Any idea why its bugging out with rw,utf8,users options?
[12:02] <herman_> x user?
[12:02] <Moiana> I am having a problem with composed characters here. I am using an US-layout keyboard, but my main language is Portuguese. On Ubuntu, when I set up English w/deadkeys as keyboard layout, everything works except the '+c, which was supposed to look like a ",c", not like a "c'", which is what shows up. Ideas?
[12:03] <scoon> melazyaboy, no. no idea at all.  read the logs, maybe something there.
[12:03] <melazyboy> herman_: Yea if i log in as root, i can modify the drive, yet if im logged in as a user, i can't, which is odd because fstab has rw,users and that used to work
[12:05] <scoon> melazyboy, i'd also check your smb.conf and see if something has changed there.
[12:05] <melazyboy> im not a server
[12:05] <melazyboy> only a client
[12:07] <SeytoN> is this the ubuntu room?
[12:08] <melazyboy> no
[12:08] <mjr> no, this is the ubuntu support channel
[12:08] <node> heh
[12:08] <melazyboy> its an african pop band
[12:08] <node> lmao
[12:08] <SeytoN> i need help
[12:08] <scoon> melazyboy, hmmm.  the kernel docs say to check out samba.org.
[12:08] <linuxboy> ubuntu isnt an african pop band (afaik)
[12:08] <scoon> melazyboy, that is what i'd do.
[12:09] <melazyboy> linuxboy: Are you the professional on african pop bands?
[12:09] <scoon> melazyboy, also, have you rolled your own kernel or are you using what ubuntu provides.
[12:09] <SeytoN> how can i configure my internet cable?
[12:09] <linuxboy> melazyboy: i live in south africa ;)
[12:09] <melazyboy> scoon: My own =/
[12:09] <scoon> melazyboy, well double check your .config and go over to smaba's site.
[12:10] <linuxboy> melazyboy: but i could be wrong
[12:10] <melazyboy> scoon: when i try to run smbumount as a user i get smbumount must be installed suid root
[12:10] <melazyboy> But its already installed...
[12:10] <melazyboy> and in order to apt-get you must be root, and i was root when it installed
[12:10] <scoon> melazyboy, but not as suid root
[12:11] <scoon> melazyboy, and you said that you have smb entries in fstab
[12:11] <melazyboy> I must have a misunderstanding
[12:11] <melazyboy> scoon: I do
[12:11] <melazyboy> scoon: and they worked in 2.6.9
[12:11] <scoon> melazyboy, do they mount on boot ?
[12:11] <melazyboy> scoon: Yes i just can't write to them unless i log in as root
[12:11] <SeytoN> the pppconfig its for only adsl and modems?
[12:12] <SeytoN> i got cable internet with usb modem
[12:12] <scoon> melazyboy, read over man mout, there is more to user/s option than just let users mount and unmount.
[12:12] <mjr> SeytoN, sounds bad, that kind of thing doesn't necessarily have drivers
[12:13] <mjr> SeytoN, don't you have an ethernet connected cable modem option?
[12:13] <scoon> melazyboy, another thing to note, mount just calls on smbmount when mounting smbfs.  so you really need to look over those docs as well.
[12:13] <melazyboy> Im looking over them now
[12:13] <melazyboy> I can't get the device to stop =/ to try new stuff, looks like ill need to restart
[12:14] <SeytoN> i know usb modems sucks
[12:14] <scoon> melazyboy, also, is your box only used by you ?
[12:14] <herman_> SeytoN, what kind of modem you have?
[12:14] <SeytoN> motorola cable internet
[12:14] <SeytoN> broadband
[12:14] <herman_> did you google with modem name and linux
[12:15] <melazyboy> scoon: Yes
[12:15] <scoon> melazyboy, why don't you can the fstab entries and just mount them w/ nautilus.
[12:15] <scoon> melazyboy, in userland.
[12:16] <melazyboy> im confused run that by me once more
[12:16] <scoon> melazyboy, do not mount your shares on boot with fstab
[12:17] <scoon> melazyboy, use nautilus to "connect to server" and pick smb
[12:18] <scoon> melazyboy, and configure it that way.
[12:18] <melazyboy> eww.
[12:18] <scoon> melazyboy,  ?
[12:19] <SeytoN> i need to configure APT
[12:19] <SeytoN> how do i get there?
[12:19] <scoon> SeytoN, man apt-get
[12:19] <melazyboy> /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:19] <SeytoN> thank you
[12:22] <SeytoN> To install Wine from the WineHQ APT repository, you need to configure APT to look in the right place for the Wine packages. On Ubuntu systems, and those using the Synaptic Package Manager, this can be done easily by opening up Synaptic and selecting Settings->Repositories. Then click add and enter the following information:
[12:22] <SeytoN> i dont get it
[12:23] <melazyboy> scoon: Alright i think if ound the solution i was looking for
[12:23] <scoon> melazyboy, well then share it with the rest of us.
[12:23] <melazyboy> im making sure it works now requires restart
[12:24] <scoon> melazyboy, why restart ?
[12:25] <melazyboy> because im invoking smbfs through autmount v4 from the kenrel
[12:25] <melazyboy> kernel*
[12:25] <melazyboy> son of a bitch, i hate you god, now i get the restart 30 times force checked bull shit =/
[12:25] <melazyboy> i swear 29 of those were today
[12:26] <melazyboy> btw just to start discussion -- can anyone think of a reason not to remove python, substansiate it please, what exactly is it providing to the ubuntu distrubution, i mean granted they claim to side with python over perl, but i dont see any python scripts
[12:27] <swim> hay crimsun got it working thank you :)  could you tell me how to put a hold on the 6111 nvidia stuff now?
[12:27] <melazyboy> no joy.
[12:27] <melazyboy> =[
[12:28] <scoon> melazyboy, yes.  i can.  and i have been coding perl for over 6 years.
[12:28] <scoon> melazyboy, do a locate *.py and see for your self.
[12:30] <melazyboy> seems like a bunch of pthon examples, and docs that come up
[12:30] <scoon> and stuff w/ hal
[12:30] <melazyboy> python*
[12:30] <scoon> no
[12:30] <scoon> *.py
[12:31] <scoon> look for python files.
[12:31] <scoon> and see where they are.
[12:31] <scoon> or just try and remove python and post how it works (or does not work)
[12:32] <scylax> hi
[12:32] <scylax> i have a usb2 problem
[12:32] <Kakalto> I'm trying to boot ubuntu dual-boot with Windows XP, but with the default grub configuration, windows doesn't load properly
[12:32] <scylax> the card works (modem & mouse) plugged there
[12:33] <scylax> but when i plug my external ntfs drive... i do fdisk -l and the terminal freezes
[12:33] <scylax> i can mount it (sometimes) but ubuntu will freeze until i unplug the drive
[12:33] <scylax> any ideas????
[12:33] <Kakalto> is anyone actually here, who knows what they're doing?
[12:34] <scoon> Kakalto, no.  we are all a bunch of jerks.
[12:34] <Kakalto> :
[12:34] <Kakalto> *:)
[12:36] <scoon> Kakalto, and my jerk solution is don't run windows.
[12:36] <scoon> Kakalto, and that way your problem won't exist any more
[12:36] <scoon> :)
[12:36] <scylax> that's not a solution
[12:36] <scylax> when simple things like using an external drive take weeks to configure ;)
[12:37] <Kakalto> scoon: I would love it if I could
[12:37] <scoon> scylax, really.  i thought you could "see" my sarcasim ?  sorry if you couldn't.
[12:37] <Kakalto> it's my friend's comp anyway
[12:37] <mattv> ubuntu sux
[12:37] <scylax> yeah... just a bit pissed off, i really need that drive and i wouldn't want to install windows
[12:37] <scoon> Kakalto, even better.  it is not yours.  and this will let you assess how close you and your friend are.
[12:38] <d3vic3> mattv, whats wrong ?
[12:38] <Kakalto> meh lol
[12:38] <Kakalto> scoon: his bother requires windows for games
[12:38] <mattv> i just cant get it to install
[12:38] <Kakalto> *brother
[12:38] <Teatime> hello all, can someone please help me with some search syntax regardin wLan drivers?
[12:38] <mattv> when i boot from the CD i get a disk error
[12:38] <scoon> Kakalto, seriously, search the forums.  there have been ton's of posts.
[12:38] <d3vic3> is the disk ok /
[12:38] <d3vic3> ?
[12:38] <scoon> Kakalto, tell your friends brother to get a ps2.  they are cheap and light now.
[12:39] <mattv> you mean like is it scratched or anything?
[12:39] <Kakalto> mattv: I got the same problem
[12:39] <d3vic3> yes ?
[12:39] <mattv> no
[12:39] <Teatime> mattv it is possible that the ISO didn't burn properly
[12:39] <Kakalto> does it look like it's water-marked?
[12:39] <mattv> i ordered it
[12:39] <Kakalto> same
[12:39] <mattv> no
[12:39] <Kakalto> ohk
[12:39] <Kakalto> one of mine does
[12:39] <mattv> i got 2 and neither of them work
[12:40] <mattv> i can run the Live CD
[12:40] <d3vic3> can't you download and burn it yourself ?
[12:40] <Teatime> Can anyone help me with wireless lan 802.11g USB drivers? or configuration?
[12:40] <mattv> just not the install CD
[12:40] <SeytoN> can you install linux on xbox :S
[12:41] <Teatime> hehe seyton
[12:41] <Moiana> pruonckk: funciona
[12:41] <d3vic3> SeytoN, with knowledge of embedded systems, yes
[12:41] <mattv> there isn't a way to install from the live CD is there?
[12:42] <lexhider> are there mono packages for hoary around anywhere?
[12:42] <seb128> in universe
[12:42] <d3vic3> mattv, no
[12:42] <lexhider> thanks.
[12:42] <mattv> geez
[12:42] <Teatime> Wireless lan anyone?
[12:43] <mattv> could it be my comp?
 SeytoN, with knowledge of embedded systems, yes?<----- so i can install linux on xbox
[12:43] <Kakalto> where are the forums?!
[12:43] <d3vic3> yes
[12:43] <d3vic3> SeytoN, yes
[12:45] <mattv> well, i guess i'll try and burn it or order some more
[12:45] <SeytoN> that sounds good
[12:45] <d3vic3> SeytoN, www.xbox-linux.org
[12:45] <Kakalto> hellooooo?
[12:45] <mattv> i'll have to find someone with DSL
[12:46] <lexhider> SeytoN, I tried a debian install on my xbox a year or 2 ago.
[12:48] <SeytoN> i dont hace xbox lexhider
[12:48] <SeytoN> have*
[12:48] <matt3o> hi all
[12:49] <matt3o> please, I need help with network-admin, maybe is a known problem...
[12:50] <matt3o> my network-admin crashes everytime I try to open it, telling me that "The Entered Password Is Invalid"... but I KNOW I type the correct password...
[12:51] <matt3o> that strange behaivoir is started when (some times ago...) I have type an incorrect password... and from that moment is like it "remember" my mismatch....
[12:51] <marlon_> Hi!
[12:51] <marlon_> Some solution for bug with boot of Windows XP (1st partition)?
[12:51] <matt3o> someone have an idea? please..
[12:52] <matt3o> Hi Marlon, what about that bug? I've had no problem with GRUB...
[12:53] <lexhider> my bad.
[12:53] <marlon_> I install the LILO in the partition of the Ubuntu.  But my MBR is damaged.
[12:53] <matt3o> and you cannot reach to load your XP partition?
[12:54] <marlon_> Console of Recovery of the Windows not aid nothing!
[12:54] <Teatime> anyone know how to use ndiswrapper with ubuntu?
[12:54] <marlon_> Yeah... My winxp dead...
[12:55] <Teatime> marlon_ you could restore the windows boot loader then reinstall the linux boot loader
[12:55] <no0tic> I've problems with networking, I deactivated eth0 and now /etc/init.d/networking start fails
[12:55] <no0tic> ah, then I reactivated eth0... :)
[12:55] <matt3o> Teattime... I use ndiswrappe...
[12:55] <matt3o> and it works fine!
[12:56] <marlon_> I intend to use bootpart (boot.ini) to load the partition of the Ubuntu...
[12:56] <matt3o> well, marlon, maybe Teattime  is right..
[12:56] <matt3o> oh...
[12:56] <Teatime> I can't get on the internet until I instlal ndiswrapper, what's the best way to install ndiswrapper?
[12:56] <odyssey> Teatime, the internet
[12:57] <matt3o> I have had your same problem... finally, I've installed the deb package
[12:57] <matt3o> I've found it using apt-get... but I cannot remember wich repository.....
[12:57] <Teatime> marlon_ load up the recovery console, write a new boot config with the  FIXBOOT command then FIXMBR
[12:57] <matt3o> if you have patient i'll have a look...
[12:57] <Teatime> thank you matt30
[12:58] <lerio> hi, guys. i need help: i have problems burning cds. is anybody familiar with cdrecord?
[12:58] <Teatime> keep on doing a fixboot and fixmbr until winblows decides it exists on your drive!
[12:58] <jbailey> lerio: I am.  What's up?
[12:58] <scoon> lerio, yes.  what is the problem
[12:59] <marlon_> Of this form the MBR does not load more WIndows XP...
[12:59] <Teatime> write a new MBR with FIXBOOT in recovery console
[12:59] <lerio> thanks guys: can you please have a quick look here? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11809
[12:59] <matt3o> Teatime: BTW, My Wireless card loss the connection to the ESSID sometimes... to resolve this problem, I have write down a simple script that each 5 seconds check out that connection...
[01:00] <regebro> Howdy all! I'm thinking about trying out Ubuntu, my debian install is all messed up anyway. Got a live test CD and tried it, which didn't tell me much of course... ;)
[01:00] <lerio> basically, i want to know if there's a way to restore my cd burner...
[01:00] <jbailey> lerio: Clean the drive?
[01:00] <Teatime> ok matt3o
[01:00] <seb128> hey jbailey !
[01:00] <regebro> So, Question: Are many happily using KDE with Ubuntu? Because I'm not sure I like Gnome...
[01:00] <jbailey> lerio: I usually clean mine after every 10 uses or so now.  Seemed I was getting cat hair in there.
[01:01] <jbailey> seb128: lu!
[01:01] <lerio> jbailey: how to i do this? what do you suggest?
[01:01] <jbailey> regebro: I heard yesterday of something called 'kubuntu', haven't looked into it at all, KDE's not my thing.
[01:01] <scoon> lerio, does that happen with any other brand of cds.
[01:01] <lerio> jbailey: i don't have cats but a hairy brother... :)
[01:02] <jbailey> lerio: Go to any audio store and buy the CD cleaning kit.
[01:02] <jbailey> ROGL
[01:02] <jbailey> s/G/F/
[01:02] <jbailey> Wow..  Way too early =)
[01:02] <no0tic> /etc/init.d/networking start fails, where can I find logs?
[01:02] <Riddell> regebro: yes, you can happily use KDE with ubuntu
[01:02] <lerio> scoon: yes, i tried with a couple of verbatim cdrw and a tdk cdr
[01:02] <jbailey> no0tic: Mmm.  Depends on the failure, sadly.
[01:03] <matt3o> Teatime: I am not sure.... I have taht package on "Miscellanous" section... If you want, I have a locally copy of that package, I can send it to you via mail...
[01:03] <Teatime> yeah sure sounds great!
[01:03] <regebro> jbailey, Riddell: Thanks. If not, maybe I'll get used to Gnome most of the otehr people at works uses it.
[01:03] <lerio> jbailey: got the message. thanks for the hint!
[01:03] <matt3o> ok: wich address?
[01:03] <jbailey> regebro: Is there something in particular giving you grief, or just not used to the way it does things?
[01:04] <regebro> jbailey: I'm probably just not used to it. It seems to kinda annoy me. ;) But then, as a desktop, I like WinXP. :p
[01:05] <jbailey> regebro: I've only seen XP a couple of times, my experience with it so far was not being able to find anything..  =)  So I can appreciate if you have the some frustration with Gnome.  They think *way* different.
[01:05] <no0tic> jbailey: how can I know what failure is?
[01:06] <jbailey> no0tic: What's actually happening.  You just don't get the network?
[01:07] <no0tic> jbailey: yesterday I deactivated eth0 and saved the config with a name into Net configuration (Desktop --> ADMin --> Net)
[01:08] <no0tic> jbailey: today I returned home, I plugged the laptop to the LAN and restored eth0 via the same tool
[01:08] <no0tic> jbailey: I restarted networking with no avail
[01:08] <no0tic> jbailey: lo interface is not present too
[01:09] <no0tic> jbailey: I configured via ifconfig & route my eth0
[01:09] <jbailey> no0tic: And that worked?
[01:09] <no0tic> jbailey: yes, I'm here now :)
[01:09] <no0tic> jbailey: but networking fails
[01:10] <jbailey> no0tic: I'm in a geek house.  There's never a shortage of terminals here, so I wanted to make sure ;)
[01:10] <no0tic> jbailey: yes, I know ;)
[01:10] <jbailey> So you have two issues.  The first is that g-s-t ate your networking config, the second is you need it to work either way.
[01:11] <no0tic> jbailey: what is g-s-t?
[01:11] <jbailey> We can get you up and running, that's no problem.   Afterwords it would be cool if you could try and break it again, and file a bug.
[01:11] <Falstius> what tools are there in ubuntu for working with xfree86 config files?
[01:11] <Falstius> (other than text editors)
[01:11] <jbailey> no0tic: Gnome system tools, the bit that you're using for the networking config.
[01:12] <jbailey> no0tic: Are you using dhcp?
[01:12] <no0tic> jbailey: static IP
[01:12] <Kakalto> just wondering, how many people (preferably a %) have a problem with Dual-booting Ubuntu/WinXP?
[01:12] <Kakalto> 99%?
[01:12] <EvolutionR> how to disable the IpV6 on ubuntu...I think ipv6 cause all the cant connect DSL connection , no webpage display? That's what I read from the google search. Anyone know how to disable the IPV6 on Ubuntu?
[01:13] <|rufius|> Kakalto: i do it on 5 machines and don't have a problem
[01:13] <jbailey> Kakalto: Dunno about winxp, but probably windows of some sort.  Last I checked the winxp license, I refused to install it.
[01:13] <Kakalto> congratulations
[01:13] <Kakalto> lol
[01:13] <Kakalto> fair enough
[01:13] <EvolutionR> Kakalto: I have no problems booting Ubuntu/WinXP
[01:13] <jbailey> Kakalto: But for desktop setups, probably most.  I don't here, because I'm on a ppc box. =)
[01:14] <Kakalto> EvolutionR: Did you have problems when first configuring it?
[01:14] <thenuke> EvolutionR: I read how to disable ipv6 from newbie FAQ in the forums
[01:14] <Kakalto> jbailey: ahh.
[01:14] <jbailey> no0tic: 'kay, take a look in your /etc/network/interfaces file
[01:14] <no0tic> jbailey: "<jbailey> We can get you up and running, that's no problem." you were talking to me?
[01:14] <jbailey> Kakalto: My other machine has it.  Cedega still doesn't do any of the games that I care about.
[01:14] <EvolutionR> thenuke: which website?
[01:14] <thenuke> ubuntu.com or something
[01:14] <jbailey> no0tic: Yeah, sorry.
[01:14] <SeytoN> |rufius| doesn't read licenses... or pay for windows ;)<--- hahahaha i dont want to use windows too much viruses and worms and crap
[01:15] <|rufius|> heh
[01:15] <no0tic> jbailey: ah, ok
[01:15] <Kakalto> SeytoN: exactly why I switched to linux
[01:15] <jbailey> no0tic: It's a bit early.  I broke my machine last night during a firmware upgrade, so I was up late, and up early to make sure that I could work today. =)
[01:15] <no0tic> jbailey: I'm looking at it
[01:15] <no0tic> jbailey: ;)
[01:15] <|rufius|> meh, I've never gotten a virus on windows, and spyware was cut to a minimum because of a few tools
[01:15] <thenuke> EvolutionR: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[01:15] <jbailey> no0tic: Anything in it?
[01:15] <Simira> SeytoN: I've no problems with viruses or worms
[01:15] <|rufius|> keeping from getting a virus is just a matter of intelligent use
[01:15] <no0tic> jbailey: yes, there is "auto lo"
[01:16] <Kakalto> Sadly, though, I used a very different distrobution, and trying to install ubuntu as dual-boot was hard
[01:16] <EvolutionR> Kakalto: u mean configure internet connection. I use pppoe_dialer, pppoeconf, went "connected" but cant surf internet maybe the IPv6 the culprit here
[01:16] <no0tic> jbailey: primary network interface... ecc
[01:16] <jbailey> no0tic: The format of this file is described with 'man interfaces', can you try starting from there?
[01:16] <Falstius> not all viruses are of the "click here for porn" variety
[01:16] <EvolutionR> thenuke: thanks
[01:16] <thenuke> np
[01:16] <jbailey> no0tic: ping again if you run into troubles.
[01:16] <no0tic> jbailey: I think it's correct
[01:16] <Kakalto> EvolutionR: I think you have the wrong person
[01:16] <Falstius> is there an X config tool for ubuntu? (similar to redhat-config-xfree86)
[01:16] <jbailey> no0tic: Hmm, ugly.
[01:17] <Kakalto> EvolutionR: oops
[01:17] <EvolutionR> thenuke: wow what a nice guide for Newbie!
[01:17] <jbailey> no0tic: when you run ifconfig, the lo interface is _not_ up, right?
[01:17] <no0tic> jbailey: thanks, c.u.l. I must go to lunch, I will have a look at it then, and I will ping you probably :)
[01:17] <jbailey> no0tic: np, 'bye
[01:17] <Kakalto> EvolutionR: I was meaning, did you have any problems getting windows to dual-boot with ubuntu first time you tried?
[01:17] <no0tic> jbailey: no, unfortunately
[01:17] <thenuke> it is
[01:17] <jbailey> no0tic: Try "ifup lo" see what happens?
[01:18] <thenuke> EvolutionR: there are bigger that kind of FAQ's too
[01:18] <no0tic> jbailey: too few parameters for iface line
[01:18] <no0tic> jbailey: see you later, 10 min ;)
[01:18] <EvolutionR> Kakalto: For the first time no problem! I install / tried many distro with dual boot with WinXP unless ur Grub is corrupted!
[01:18] <jbailey> no0tic: Go eat ;)
[01:19] <Kakalto> EvolutionR: it used wrong parameters when booting windows
[01:19] <Kakalto> so windows didn't boot
[01:19] <jbailey> Falstius: Warty or Hoary?
[01:20] <Kakalto> EvolutionR: I got grub working on my computer with Gentoo Linux, very easily
[01:20] <Kakalto> but I'm setting up Ubuntu on a friend's computer
[01:20] <Kakalto> which isn't the easiest, as Gentoo is very different
[01:21] <Kakalto> the default for Ubuntu is to not use a seperate partition for boot
[01:21] <matt3o> Have someone experience of networking-admin crash?
[01:21] <Kakalto> which was strange to me, and rather screwed up what I was trying to do
[01:21] <SeytoN> how can i install wine on ubuntu?
[01:21] <Kakalto> wouldn't it be "apt-get wine" or something
[01:22] <Kakalto> assuming that's the command ubuntu uses
[01:22] <housetier> sudo apt-get install wine
[01:22] <SeytoN> To install Wine from the WineHQ APT repository, you need to configure APT to look in the right place for the Wine packages. On Ubuntu systems, and those using the Synaptic Package Manager, this can be done easily by opening up Synaptic and selecting Settings->Repositories. Then click add and enter the following information:
[01:22] <EvolutionR> Seyton: what's the following info....?
[01:23] <gt500> hell0w peepz , i'm back :D
[01:23] <SeytoN> To install Wine from the WineHQ APT repository, you need to configure APT to look in the right place for the Wine packages. On Ubuntu systems, and those using the Synaptic Package Manager, this can be done easily by opening up Synaptic and selecting Settings->Repositories. Then click add and enter the following information:
[01:23] <EvolutionR> Seyton: don't flood
[01:23] <SeytoN> wait
[01:23] <Kakalto> EvolutionR: He's probably still typing out the info
[01:23] <SeytoN> Then, simply click reload and search for the package 'wine' for installation. If you already have a 'wine' package installed, selecting mark all upgrades and opting for the "smart upgrade" option should update Wine to the newest version.
[01:23] <SeytoN> Currently, we only have i386 binary packages available. If you do not use an i386 architecture, or wish to compile the package in an optimized way, you can build the wine package using the source repository instead. To do this, add a source repository with the same URI, but using the distribution source/ instead. Then, see the instructions below for building the package in the console.
[01:23] <EvolutionR> :)
[01:23] <Kakalto> he was just making sure his old message stayed on-screen or something
[01:24] <EvolutionR> Kakalto: what's the error?
[01:24] <Kakalto> let me guess.... SeytoN was quoting scripture from teh WINE site?
[01:25] <SeytoN> yep
[01:25] <Kakalto> EvolutionR: It shows my boot parameters, but doesn't do anything else
[01:25] <gt500> Hey , question , when i boot my Ubuntu with my usb webcam plugged in , i don't have any sound ... , but when i boot Ubuntu without my webcam plugin , i do have sound ... anyone knows a solution ?
[01:25] <|rufius|> gt500: don't boot w/ the webcam plugged in?
[01:25] <EvolutionR> Kakalto: I'm newbie, I've tried wine, cedega, but I don't know how to use them! so I at least forget about wine first heheheh
[01:26] <EvolutionR> Kakalto: so the boot error just stuck there, cannot boot to Ubuntu /WinXP?
[01:26] <gt500> |rufius|, duh, but i thought there was another solution ...
[01:26] <SeytoN> i want to use cedega and wine please...
[01:26] <Kakalto> I can't recall the error
[01:26] <SeytoN> who can help me?
[01:26] <Kakalto> assuming there was one
[01:26] <gt500> SeytoN, use google :p
[01:27] <Kakalto> Google always helps
[01:27] <|rufius|> SeytoN: for cedega... you must pay monies to da transgaming.com overlords. unless you like to do things illegally, then find a torrent for it.
[01:27] <Kakalto> not aswell as someone who knows what they're doing, but it helps
[01:27] <EvolutionR> Kakalto: from the my point of view reinstall/ format linux partition and put Grub on the hda partition...
[01:28] <|rufius|> generally with those kinds of programs its "go into the directory on the cd where the *.exe is and type "wine blah.exe" or "cedega blah.exe" and watch it go.
[01:28] <Kakalto> EvolutionR: I'm currently re-installing windows, and then I'll install grub to /boot, then copy it to disk, and use the windows boot.ini
[01:28] <matt3o> Welll... someone have an idea? Everytime I tried to open the network-admin tool it crashes telling me that I have typed the wrong passord....
[01:29] <gt500> c00l TuxRacer :D
[01:29] <Kakalto> that's what a dual-boot guide tells me to do
[01:29] <Kakalto> tuxracer? where?
[01:29] <Kakalto> it didn't come default with KDE :'(
[01:29] <matt3o> or... where can I found another tool like that one?
[01:29] <gt500> Kakalto, site ...
[01:29] <Kakalto> yeah
[01:29] <EvolutionR> |rufius|: u mean the .exe file from linux directory can just like /home/user/Doom3.exe ?  wine Doom3.exe like that?
[01:29] <gt500> installed it for tarball
[01:29] <Kakalto> I'll get around to it when I get my system back into linux
[01:29] <Falstius> jbailey: warty is what I have but I could get hoary
[01:30] <gt500> matt3o, :s what error do you get ?
[01:30] <gt500> past it here
[01:30] <EvolutionR> Kakalto: Ubuntu come with only few apps/games :(
[01:30] <|rufius|> EvolutionR: if its the install file...
[01:30] <kbrooks> er
[01:30] <kbrooks> i want to restore the gnome bar to normal
[01:30] <gt500> EvolutionR, maybe i'll suggest it :p so it'll be put in the games menu 8)
[01:30] <Kakalto> EvolutionR: I noticed. Although, I was actually talking about my Gentoo KDE installation
[01:30] <|rufius|> i only use steam... so it puts a shortcut on the desktop for me so i don't have to manually make one, you'll have to google for taht info
[01:30] <jbailey> Falstius: It's not a big deal.  With warty, try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86".  It's not an all purpose setup, but it might have enough for what you need.
[01:30] <EvolutionR> |rufius|: how bout going to Windows XP using wine how u do that with which command?
[01:31] <Kakalto> (which is on my computer, not my friend's, whose computer I am installing ubuntu on)
[01:31] <matt3o> gt500: "The entered password is invalid"
[01:31] <jbailey> Falstius: It won't help you with dual-head, or extra features like that.
[01:31] <Falstius> jbailey: my problem is that I have a radeon x300 graphics card and it doesn't install correctly.  Thanks.
[01:31] <matt3o> and then "Check that you typed it correctly and that you haven't activated the "caps lock" key"
[01:31] <Adrenal> my sound card driver is weird, sometimes it will respond to what i do on screen with static. I don't expect an answer, i just wanted to let you all know. Return to your day to day lives
[01:31] <EvolutionR> Kakalto: I use Gnome 2.8 which I like but not much things on the desktop not even a My Computer Icon or Mp3  Realplayer ...etc
[01:32] <Kakalto> There is no My Computer!
[01:32] <gt500> kbrooks, :/
[01:32] <matt3o> but... I'm sure to type the correct password... (it do this EVERY time, from some weeks... from one day when I have effectivelly typed an incorrect passwrd...) :(
[01:32] <EvolutionR> Yeah sucks man
[01:32] <kbrooks> n/m
[01:32] <kbrooks> i dont
[01:32] <Kakalto> In windows, your computer isn't yours, it's Microsoft's
[01:32] <SeytoN> whats the differece in winehq and and winex?
[01:32] <kbrooks> i added the foot and thats it
[01:32] <Kakalto> In Linux, it's your "system" aka "beast", not a mere "computer"
[01:32] <gt500> kbrooks, there is a file in /etc with the default setting
[01:32] <Adrenal> kakalto: thats not all
[01:33] <EvolutionR> Kakalto: I think Linux cant beat microsoft on the "Gui" Apps install friendly.
[01:33] <Adrenal> one day, i was searching through my music
[01:33] <jbailey> Falstius: IIRC, x300 cards suck under X, but you need someone who knows more about it than I.
[01:33] <Kakalto> Adrenal: Go on....
[01:33] <Adrenal> i found a new song
[01:33] <Adrenal> 'star trekkin'
[01:33] <Adrenal> which was a parody of star trek
[01:33] <kbrooks> gt500, and i copy the file over what file in ~/.gnome?
[01:33] <affi> Kakalto: In Linux/Unix the machine is hell - there are daemons everywhere
[01:33] <Adrenal> searching, there was no information about it
[01:33] <matt3o> Well, just if you know some other network admin tool.... I'll install that one and go over that problem...
[01:33] <Kakalto> EvolutionR: It doesn't matter. Insecurity/Virii/Spyware/etc..... are so much worse on windows
[01:33] <jbailey> Falstius: If you're feeling brave, trying Hoary might be worth it, since it uses xorg.
[01:33] <jbailey> Falstius: But it's pureless a guess.
[01:33] <jbailey> purely, rather.
[01:34] <Adrenal> my theory is, linux, sensing i was bored, went through my chat logs, detered i liked star trek, as such, made this song
[01:34] <EvolutionR> Kakalto: linux advantage is Stable, Virus Free, OPen Source software
[01:34] <Kakalto> affi: To tell you the truth, the daemons work for me >:D
[01:34] <Kakalto> EvolutionR: The main reasons I like it.
[01:34] <EvolutionR> Kakalto: disadvantage side: few games ....<=that's sucks...hard to install apps
[01:35] <Adrenal> apperently the unix security system sucks though
[01:35] <Kakalto> EvolutionR: I don't really need windows games anymore, and linux was hard to install, but it was well worth it
[01:35] <gt500> kbrooks, try looking in the gconf files ;)
[01:35] <kbrooks> gt500, in /etc?
[01:35] <gt500> Kakalto, hard to install ?
[01:35] <gt500> :p
[01:35] <gt500> lol
[01:35] <Adrenal> linux can play windows games though
[01:35] <EvolutionR> Kakalto: I wish one day LInux can easily install apps just like Microsoft Windows does
[01:35] <Kakalto> You know what I mean, compard to Micro$hit's Doors
[01:35] <gt500> kbrooks, yeah, or just add the panel again :p
[01:35] <Falstius> jbailey: thanks.. its not so much feeling brave as I don't have internet at that machine (its my home box)
[01:35] <Adrenal> just buy cedega
[01:35] <Kakalto> err windows
[01:36] <Adrenal> yver cgeap
[01:36] <Adrenal> evolution: that could be its undoing
[01:36] <gt500> EvolutionR, installing apps on mac = much better
[01:36] <Kakalto> EvolutionR: Let go of the dark side within you! Consume you, it will. Resist it you must!
[01:36] <Kakalto> EvolutionR: Remove all traces of windows from you
[01:36] <affi> EvolutionR: sudo synaptic
[01:36] <Adrenal> plus, its easy to install
[01:36] <Adrenal> ./configure
[01:36] <Adrenal> make
[01:36] <Adrenal> make install
[01:36] <siretart> EvolutionR: I wish some day Windows can easily install apps just like debian/ubuntu: apt-get
[01:36] <Adrenal> make clean
[01:36] <Kakalto> windows are bad, they're see-through and really bad for privacy
[01:37] <Adrenal> thats it
[01:37] <jbailey> Falstius: Oy.  Yeah.  Seek other assistance than me then. =)
[01:37] <Adrenal> microsoft gives u windows, linux gives u the whole house
[01:37] <Kakalto> Adrenal Indeed.
[01:37] <EvolutionR> Kakalto & Linux Frens: I am not anti linux.....I love linux! : ) Is on going learning with unix commands....
[01:37] <Kakalto> Adrenal: Microsoft's head is Gates, too
[01:37] <KungFuPANDA> I have a problem. I can't log on with the username and password I created in install.
[01:37] <Adrenal> got this one mate
[01:37] <Adrenal> good at computers
[01:37] <Adrenal> but a complete ms bitch
[01:37] <mickatron> I am using ubuntu now and I accidentally removed the root terminal from the menu.
[01:38] <Adrenal> he has tried red hat
[01:38] <Kakalto> EvolutionR: I see, a "newbie". Don't worry, I am similar
[01:38] <mickatron> HOw do I get it back?
[01:38] <mickatron> Anyone know?
[01:38] <Adrenal> judging from that, he deters linux sucks, as it is hard to install, and hard to use
[01:38] <topyli> EvolutionR: learn apt first, if it's installations you worry about :)
[01:38] <EvolutionR> Adrenal: when it comes to dependecy "u get headache"
[01:38] <KungFuPANDA> it says something about failing on "user resolution" during bootup
[01:38] <Adrenal> he still uses ie on windows
[01:38] <siretart> Kakalto: did you forget your password, perhaps?
[01:38] <KungFuPANDA> Is there some "root" user I can log on with?
[01:38] <Adrenal> evolutionr:not really, not exactly hard to install dependecies
[01:38] <Kakalto> siretart: not quite
[01:39] <Kakalto> siretart: nothing like that
[01:39] <Adrenal> apt-get install whateverthehellitsnameis
[01:39] <Kakalto> where'd you get that idea?
[01:39] <EvolutionR> Adrenal: yes ur right I still use windows u know why? cause this Ubuntu wont let me connect to internet
[01:39] <topyli> KungFuPANDA: no
[01:39] <KungFuPANDA> Damn.. I have to restall, then?
[01:39] <KungFuPANDA> *reinstall
[01:39] <Kakalto> Adrenal: doesn't apt-get install put in everything that is required?
[01:39] <siretart> Kakalto: sorry, I meant KungFuPANDA
[01:39] <topyli> KungFuPANDA: no :)
[01:39] <kbrooks> EvolutionR,
[01:39] <KungFuPANDA> :o
[01:39] <kbrooks> .....
[01:39] <Adrenal> generally, but lets u want an app not on the repositires
[01:39] <kbrooks> EvolutionR, what modem do you have
[01:40] <Adrenal> occasionally u can find the dependecies for it there, and just install it through commands
[01:40] <Adrenal> alternativelly, u can dl a .deb(all down)
[01:40] <Kakalto> ARRRRAG!G!!@#
[01:40] <Kakalto> Windows is so screwy!
[01:40] <Adrenal> or install the dependencies yourself
[01:40] <Kakalto> e
[01:40] <topyli> KungFuPANDA: boot into single user mode, change your password (or roots's)
[01:40] <EvolutionR> kbrooks: using Aztech 305E well connected with other Distro except Ubuntu!
[01:41] <EvolutionR> Adrenal: want to ask u a question ok? because I'm new to this debian thing
[01:41] <Kakalto> Adrenal: in Gentoo, all dependencies are installed when you go "emerge <app>"
[01:41] <kbrooks> EvolutionR, well, have you recorded the error message
[01:41] <no0tic> jbailey: solved
[01:41] <Adrenal> kakalto: yeh, gentoo is good like that
[01:41] <Adrenal> evolutionr:ask away, can't gaurantee i'll know though
[01:41] <no0tic> jbailey: interfaces were scrambled :)
[01:41] <kbrooks> gt500, thx
[01:42] <kbrooks> i readded it all
[01:42] <Kakalto> Adrenal: Part of the reason I got it.
[01:42] <Kakalto> Although it was definately a crash course in linux
[01:42] <Kakalto> first time install and everything
[01:42] <EvolutionR> kbrooks: there is no error message. "Adsl-Start" = "pppO link up" = "connected" but I cant ping websites, surf internet
[01:42] <KungFuPANDA> topily: Thanks, I'll try that.
[01:42] <Adrenal> evoltionr:question?
[01:43] <Adrenal> *kakalto
[01:43] <jbailey> no0tic: Glad it's fixes.  Would you mind doing it a couple times again, and see if you can reproduce?  It would be nice to get that into bugzilla.
[01:43] <EvolutionR> Adrenal: I get this apps rpm, I ubuntu doesn't accept rpm installation? it need to convert to it .deb packages then can install?
[01:43] <Kakalto> Adrenal: ?
[01:43] <no0tic> ok
[01:43] <no0tic> jbailey: ok
[01:43] <Adrenal> cd to its directory
[01:43] <kbrooks> EvolutionR, incorrect
[01:43] <Adrenal> alien then the file
[01:43] <Adrenal> will convert to .deb
[01:44] <Adrenal> kakalto:sorry, was evolutionr
[01:44] <EvolutionR> yeah that's what exactly wat I do....convert with alien .deb
[01:44] <Kakalto> Adrenal: okie
[01:44] <Adrenal> then whats the problem?
[01:44] <Adrenal> install as normal?
[01:44] <Kakalto> damn windows
[01:44] <Adrenal> or is it error messaging you?
[01:44] <Kakalto> I wish I could just smash them!
[01:45] <Kakalto> Operating Sytem failed to boot
[01:45] <EvolutionR> how come they wont install directly just like other distro like "rpm -Uvh ...rpm ?
[01:45] <Kakalto> with a clean wipe
[01:45] <Adrenal> kakalto:this channel is not made to bash windows...thats why we made #ubuntuforums for
[01:45] <Adrenal> rpm=redhat package manager
[01:45] <KungFuPANDA> How do I boot up in single user mode? :s
[01:45] <kbrooks> EvolutionR, the problem is that ubuntu is based on .deb.
[01:45] <Adrenal> its made for redhat based distros
[01:45] <Adrenal> it would be like install a mac prog on a windows system
[01:45] <Adrenal> u need to convert it
[01:45] <kbrooks> er, debian
[01:45] <Adrenal> which is what u just did
[01:45] <EvolutionR> Adrenal: sorry guys....I forgot that is Redhat thing ehhehehe newbie : )
[01:46] <Kakalto> Adrenal: Sorry, I'll go there
[01:46] <Adrenal> never mind, we were all green at one time or another
[01:46] <Adrenal> in fact, i still am
[01:46] <kbrooks> EvolutionR, nothing to be sorry of
[01:46] <EvolutionR> I head Fedora Core 4 coming soon....
[01:46] <kbrooks> Adrenal, me too. i am green :D
[01:46] <KungFuPANDA> How do I boot up in single user mode? *green*
[01:46] <Adrenal> actually, more of a purple
[01:46] <kbrooks> KungFuPANDA,
[01:46] <KungFuPANDA> that's me.
[01:47] <sladen> KungFuPANDA: select  .... (recovery mode)   from the grub menu before linux loads
[01:47] <kbrooks> KungFuPANDA, reboot your computer and when grub loads
[01:47] <KungFuPANDA> Okay
[01:47] <kbrooks> select (recovery mode)
[01:47] <EvolutionR> Adrenal: I can't wait to have the next ubuntu "Hoary HedgeHog" stable release! I hope it improve alot!
[01:47] <KungFuPANDA> thanks
[01:47] <Adrenal> evolutionr: do u use the backports?
[01:47] <mickatron> How do I recover deleted objects from the application menu in Ubuntu?
[01:48] <EvolutionR> Adrenal: what's backports?
[01:48] <mickatron> Help please...
[01:48] <kbrooks> EvolutionR, remove your backports first
[01:48] <Adrenal> newer, more frequently updated progs
[01:48] <kbrooks> or else they'll break hoary
[01:48] <EvolutionR> Adrenal: oic!!!!
[01:49] <EvolutionR> I dont like to mess around with unstable release guys
[01:49] <no0tic> powernow: No PST tables match this cpuid (0x7a0)
[01:49] <no0tic> powernow: This is indicative of a broken BIOS.
[01:49] <no0tic> powernow: Trying ACPI perflib
[01:49] <no0tic> powernow: Minimum speed 298 MHz. Maximum speed 796 MHz.
[01:49] <Adrenal> its not unstable
[01:49] <no0tic> on warty was working, here in hoary no
[01:49] <Adrenal> there is a stable segment to it
[01:49] <Adrenal> there are like four branches
[01:49] <KungFuPANDA> right
[01:49] <no0tic> I have an AMd 2800+
[01:49] <Adrenal> u can use the stable releases part, which are tested, then put onto that server
[01:49] <topyli> kbrooks: i almost upgraded yesterday, but it looked like too much trouble. my warty has gone astray :)
[01:49] <KungFuPANDA> I'm in single user mode
[01:49] <no0tic> anda VIA chipset
[01:49] <Adrenal> or be a champ like me and use bleeding edge stuff
[01:49] <KungFuPANDA> What do I write to change password?
[01:50] <Guardiann> I must have the stable segent :)
[01:50] <kbrooks> topyli, well, i have the "solutiion"
[01:50] <topyli> KungFuPANDA: passwd kungfupanda
[01:50] <EvolutionR> Adrenal: oic I still have a long way to learn : ), previous ly I get use to yum update...but never use b4 apt get thing
[01:50] <topyli> kbrooks: like?
[01:51] <Adrenal> evolutionr:oooh, fedora, i remember that
[01:51] <topyli> kbrooks: remove all your packages before upgrading?
[01:51] <Adrenal> evoltuionr:join #ubuntuforums
[01:51] <EvolutionR> Adrenal: yeah yum thing...but I hate the up2date thing it crashes / stalled
[01:51] <Adrenal> lol
[01:51] <Adrenal> thought i was the only one
[01:52] <EvolutionR> Fedora still lacks....
[01:52] <EvolutionR> I like Suse 9.2 Pro
[01:52] <EvolutionR> user friendly
[01:52] <topyli> apt works OK on fedora
[01:52] <kbrooks> topyli, all backports that you have installed.
[01:52] <Adrenal> evolutionr:join #ubuntuforums
[01:53] <topyli> kbrooks: that's not too much. my own packages probably have to go too
[01:53] <EvolutionR> Adrenal: why ?
[01:53] <EvolutionR> suitable to chat there?
[01:53] <Adrenal> discussion based, easier to keep up
[01:53] <KungFuPANDA> I write my password instead of "passwd" right?
[01:53] <EvolutionR> ohhh rite
[01:53] <Adrenal> yeh, no swearing, just people from this channel
[01:53] <topyli> KungFuPANDA: no. passwd is the command, kungfupanda is (or isn't) your username
[01:53] <kbrooks> topyli, i dont think they do, unless they rely on packages that have version numbers in them
[01:54] <KungFuPANDA> ooh
[01:54] <kbrooks> either fix them or remove them
[01:54] <kbrooks> i.e.
[01:54] <kbrooks> python2.3 -> python
[01:54] <kbrooks> for example
[01:54] <topyli> kbrooks: i've compiled most gtk1 apps against gtk2, etc. then there's mbox2mysql and whatnot
[01:57] <topyli> kbrooks: i'll see. i had time yesterday, who knows when that happens again :)
[01:58] <Guardiann> good morning guys
[01:59] <mickatron> Anyone know how to recover removed items from the applications menu in Ubuntu?
[02:01] <mickatron> Anyone know how to recover removed items from the applications menu in Ubuntu?
[02:01] <mickatron> help please....
[02:01] <Guardiann> sorry i dont
[02:01] <Guardiann> why did yu remove them?
[02:02] <mickatron> I accidentally removed it.
[02:02] <mickatron> Now I have no idea how to get it back...
[02:02] <mickatron> :(
[02:03] <Guardiann> theres probably an easier way but you could remove the software and then reinstall
[02:03] <KungFuPANDA> I still can't log on.
[02:03] <KungFuPANDA> I type in username
[02:03] <KungFuPANDA> I type in password
[02:04] <KungFuPANDA> The drum-sound play again
[02:04] <KungFuPANDA> nothing happens
[02:04] <Guardiann> it doesnt say anything?
[02:04] <KungFuPANDA> No
[02:04] <Guardiann> have you rebooted
[02:04] <KungFuPANDA> Several times
[02:05] <Guardiann> hoary?
[02:05] <KungFuPANDA> hoary?
[02:05] <Guardiann> what version of ubuntu  hoary or warty
[02:06] <KungFuPANDA> warty
[02:06] <Guardiann> strange that one usually installs perfectly
[02:06] <mickatron> I want to create a launcher for the root terminal.... may I know what is the command please?
[02:06] <KungFuPANDA> Hmm.. at first it was just a green screen
[02:06] <KungFuPANDA> Then I upgraded the bios
[02:07] <KungFuPANDA> But now it won't let me log in
[02:07] <Guardiann> great
[02:07] <KungFuPANDA> I'm going to try to change the password again
[02:08] <Guardiann> i dont think thats the problem
[02:08] <KungFuPANDA> Hmm ...
[02:08] <Guardiann> usually when you type in the wrong password it tells you you have
[02:08] <KungFuPANDA> Oh.
[02:08] <KungFuPANDA> Well, it doesn't,
[02:08] <KungFuPANDA> Even when I just type in something random
[02:09] <Guardiann> your at the gnome login screen right
[02:09] <KungFuPANDA> With the big ubuntu logo
[02:10] <no0tic> there's somthing like klipper on gnome?
[02:10] <KungFuPANDA> I think i'm on "Default System Session"
[02:10] <Guardiann> hmmm
[02:10] <KungFuPANDA> If that's what you meant...
[02:10] <no0tic> powernow: No PST tables match this cpuid (0x7a0)
[02:10] <no0tic> powernow: This is indicative of a broken BIOS.
[02:10] <no0tic> This was not happening on warty
[02:12] <Guardiann> have you tried reinstalling kunfu
[02:12] <Guardiann> oops kungfu
[02:12] <KungFuPANDA> hehe
[02:12] <Guardiann> sorry
[02:13] <KungFuPANDA> Hmm.. no.
[02:13] <snowblink> kungfupanda: what happens on a tty?
[02:14] <KungFuPANDA> tty?
[02:14] <kebac> teletype
[02:14] <KungFuPANDA> I'm lost.
[02:14] <snowblink> kungfupanda: CTRL+ALT+F2
[02:14] <KungFuPANDA> oh
[02:15] <snowblink> kungfupanda: should drop you into a text console (CTRL+ALT+F7 to get you back to graphical)
[02:15] <snowblink> kungfupanda: what happens if you try to login on a tty?
[02:15] <KungFuPANDA> It says that the login is incorrect
[02:16] <Falstius> is there a list of things that are broken in hoary?
[02:16] <snowblink> kungfupanda: when you reboot into single user mode (recovery) what did you type to change passwords?
[02:16] <KungFuPANDA> passwd LinPanda
[02:17] <KungFuPANDA> or...
[02:17] <Guardiann> Falstius things are working pretty good for me in hoary,, I only had some sound issues but got them fixed
[02:17] <KungFuPANDA> I think I wrote passwd root
[02:17] <snowblink> kungfupanda: that would change your root password
[02:17] <snowblink> kungfupanda: would recommend you redo the single user mode
[02:18] <KungFuPANDA> I will.
[02:18] <KungFuPANDA> :)
[02:18] <snowblink> kungfupanda: change both your root and user passwords to something you're sure of
[02:18] <KungFuPANDA> So it's not possible to log in with "root" ?
[02:18] <snowblink> kungfupanda: you can
[02:18] <Guardiann> yes it is but you shouldnt
[02:20] <Guardiann> coffee time brb
[02:20] <KungFuPANDA> Hmm.
[02:20] <KungFuPANDA> Now it says "give root password for maintenance"
[02:20] <KungFuPANDA> I type in what I wrote
[02:20] <KungFuPANDA> It doesn't work
[02:21] <KungFuPANDA> I think I should reinstall ...
[02:21] <snowblink> kungfupanda: check your caps lock
[02:21] <KungFuPANDA> hah
[02:21] <KungFuPANDA> now it worked
[02:21] <KungFuPANDA> lesse...
[02:22] <KungFuPANDA> root@LinPanda:
[02:22] <KungFuPANDA> I write in "passwd LinPanda"
[02:22] <KungFuPANDA> Unknown user LinPanda... :/
[02:22] <KungFuPANDA> I think that's why I did the root thing
[02:22] <snowblink> kungfupanda: case sensitive
[02:22] <snowblink> kungfupanda: cat /etc/passwd
[02:23] <snowblink> kungfupanda: what does your username show as?
[02:23] <KungFuPANDA> I should write in low caps only?
[02:23] <KungFuPANDA> LinPanda
[02:23] <Guardiann> if you able to change passwords now
[02:23] <Guardiann> you must be logged in ok
[02:23] <Guardiann> or you should be
[02:24] <KungFuPANDA> It still says "unknown user LinPanda"
[02:25] <snowblink> kungfupanda: in /etc/passwd it's the first column
[02:25] <KungFuPANDA> So... what do I do
[02:26] <snowblink> kungfupanda: are you logged in as root?
[02:26] <KungFuPANDA> yes
[02:27] <snowblink> kungfupanda: if your current user is causing lots of grief, you can just add a new user
[02:27] <KungFuPANDA> How? :)
[02:28] <snowblink> kungfupanda: useradd newusername
[02:28] <KungFuPANDA> Great
[02:28] <snowblink> kungfupanda: passwd newusername
[02:29] <KungFuPANDA> I think I should be able to log on now
[02:29] <KungFuPANDA> I set the password too
[02:31] <KungFuPANDA> Okay
[02:31] <KungFuPANDA> Something is happening
[02:31] <snowblink> kungfupanda: always good
[02:31] <KungFuPANDA> It says mu home directory doesn't exist
[02:31] <snowblink> kungfupanda: but you can login?
[02:32] <KungFuPANDA> It asks if I wasnt to loh in wit the / (root) directory as my home directory
[02:32] <KungFuPANDA> *log
[02:32] <KungFuPANDA> Should I?
[02:33] <snowblink> kungfupanda: okay. Sorry. Try useradd -m newusername
[02:33] <snowblink> kungfupanda: the -m will create you a directory
[02:33] <KungFuPANDA> okay
[02:33] <KungFuPANDA> How do I delete usernames?
[02:33] <snowblink> kungfupanda: you can remove old users with 'userdel username'
[02:34] <KungFuPANDA> nice
[02:34] <snowblink> kungfupanda: you can remove old users with 'userdel -r username' if you want to remove their directories too
[02:36] <KungFuPANDA> rebooting...
[02:37] <KungFuPANDA> oookay
[02:37] <KungFuPANDA> I think it works
[02:38] <KungFuPANDA> Thanks alot!
[02:39] <KungFuPANDA> Sweet! The wifi works too
[02:40] <TreadingSoftly> anybody running bind9 and firestarter here? www.dnsreport.com is marking my nameserver as failing,,, as far as i can work out because I'm blockinga series of strange ports  2028-2032. I thought only port 53 was needed for bind9 ... does anyone know if i'm gravely mistaken?
[02:40] <snowblink> kungfupanda: good stuff
[02:42] <lerio> hi! is there a way to install ubuntu-desktop package only? i mean, without all the dependencies? (gnome-games, xsane, cupsys etc..)
[02:43] <stuNNed> that is the purpose of ubuntu-desktop afaik so that all of that stuff gets installed A F A I K
[02:43] <lerio> so there is no way to get rid of those packages i mentioned above?
[02:44] <turkuaz> i wonder if anyone can help, i am running hoary with latest packages numlockx is not working any recommendations?
[02:45] <lerio> stuNNed: so there is no way to get rid of those packages i mentioned above?
[02:45] <stuNNed> apt-get remove
[02:45] <stuNNed> them
[02:46] <stuNNed> and ubuntu-desktop will be gone to but it should be okay.
[02:46] <stuNNed> lerio, it's just a meta package so that all of that stuff gets/stays installed.  like default ubuntu desktop packages.
[02:46] <lerio> stuNNed: hmm. after doing that the desktop is not working properly anymore. right-click menu on desktop is gone, wallpaper is gone as well
[02:47] <GoneBoB>  lerio that is all done by nautiklus
[02:47] <GoneBoB> *nautilus
[02:47] <lerio> stuNNed: so it has nothing to do w ubuntu-desktop
[02:48] <GoneBoB> no
[02:48] <GoneBoB> ubuntu desktop contains no files
[02:48] <GoneBoB> it purely makes sure that other packages are installed
[02:49] <Kakalto_> could anyone help me? Ubuntu screwed up the BIOS and stuff on my friend's system
[02:49] <lerio> GoneBob: yes, nautilus is dead
[02:50] <lerio> GoneBob: but i didn't touch it! how could it be?
[02:50] <Kakalto_> I am getting a "Error loading Operating System" error after installing ubuntu, then uninstalling it, and installing windows
[02:51] <GoneBoB> Kakalto_:check what parition is makred 'boot's on your disk
[02:51] <GoneBoB> lerio I'm not sure, what did you change
[02:51] <GoneBoB> OTOH it may have died, thought it should restart
[02:51] <GoneBoB> *though
[02:51] <GoneBoB> run 'nautilus'  in a terminal
[02:52] <lerio> GoneBoB: it is not starting. no error message
[02:52] <stuNNed> nautilus takes it's grave every now and then, GoneBoB, speaking of which, alot of times, either Hoary or Warty, if i save a file to nautilus desktop it doesn't show up, should i file a bug or comment?
[02:52] <lerio> GoneBoB: i tried to apt-get install nautilus but i'm already running the latest version
[02:53] <GoneBoB> stuNNed: that's a known gamin issue IIRC, check bugzilla
[02:53] <GoneBoB> open a folder on the desktop
[02:53] <stuNNed> GoneBoB, ok thanks
[02:53] <GoneBoB> hit bksp
[02:53] <GoneBoB> then ctrl+r
[02:54] <lerio> GoneBoB: there are no folders on desktop
[02:54] <GoneBoB> lerio: not you, stuned
[02:54] <Kakalto_> GoneBoB: I only have one partition
[02:54] <lerio> GoneBoB: oops, sorry
[02:54] <GoneBoB> lerio: what happens when you run nautilus from a terminal
[02:54] <GoneBoB> Kakalto_: so you installed ubuntu, you've just reinstalled windows and now it doesn't boot?
[02:55] <lerio> GoneBoB: nothing happens, the terminal window gets busy and thats all
[02:55] <GoneBoB> ok
[02:55] <scylax> hi
[02:55] <GoneBoB> try killall nautilus
[02:55] <GoneBoB> then run it again
[02:55] <Kakalto_> I installed Ubuntu, it didn't work with windows, so I combined the partitions, and went through the windows install (including formatting the drive), and I get the error.
[02:55] <GoneBoB> if that doesn't work
[02:55] <GoneBoB> log out/in again
[02:55] <scylax> i get a Buffer I/O Error when mounting a ntfs drive, any ideas??
[02:55] <lerio> GoneBoB: ok
[02:55] <scylax> (not when mounting it, but when trying to use it after mount)
[02:56] <Dr_Drakken> I do not think that ntfs is supported under linux yet.
[02:56] <scylax> it is
[02:56] <GoneBoB> Kakalto_: boot to a windows bootdisk and run fdisk /r?
[02:56] <Dr_Drakken> However I am not an expert.
[02:56] <GoneBoB> it is for reading
[02:56] <scylax> it is, read only
[02:56] <GoneBoB> not (really) for writing
[02:56] <scylax> did a chkdsk from windows on that disk, no errors were found
[02:56] <lerio> GoneBoB: no way. same thing. i'll try to logout, but before i wanna show the list of packages i removed
[02:56] <GoneBoB> scylax: is the filesystem san?
[02:56] <Dr_Drakken> ah. thank you scylax, I will research further
[02:56] <GoneBoB> ah hrm
[02:57] <lerio> GoneBoB: xsane
[02:57] <lerio> ubuntu-desktop
[02:57] <lerio> libsane
[02:57] <lerio> python-imaging-sane
[02:57] <lerio> python2.3-imaging-sane
[02:57] <lerio> gnomemeeting
[02:57] <scylax> GoneBoB: sane?
[02:57] <lerio> gnome-games
[02:57] <GoneBoB> by san I mean sane
[02:57] <lerio> gnome-games-data
[02:57] <lerio> cupsys
[02:57] <lerio> hpijs
[02:57] <lerio> foomatic-db-hpijs
[02:57] <scylax> GoneBoB: chkdsk didn't find any errors
[02:57] <GoneBoB> lerio: not here
[02:57] <GoneBoB> lerio: please, use pastebin.com
[02:57] <Kakalto_> GoneBoB: Don't worry at the moment, as I am attempting to install Gentoo again, then I will attempt windows install
[02:57] <Kakalto_> *ubuntu not Gentoo
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> ah ok
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[02:58] <Kakalto_> I am too used to my comp, as opposed to my friend's, which is the screwed one
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> scylax: I'm not sure tbh I don't use ntfs fs's under linux
[02:58] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB, commented on #4088 to confirm.
[02:58] <scylax> thanx anyway, HrdwrBoB
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: cool
[02:59] <scylax> i wish i could convert the filesystem to vfat
[03:01] <HrdwrBoB> yeah I don't think you can
[03:01] <HrdwrBoB> short of copying all the files
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> ok, night
[03:02] <scylax> HrdwrBoB: you can with Partition Magic, but it's risky, and i don't have a backup ;)
[03:02] <GoneBoB> ah
[03:02] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB, do i need to CC myself to get emails on bugs commented on?
[03:02] <bj_> Kakalto_, just make sure the bios is pointing to hd0 as the 2nd or third boot device instread of hd1
[03:02] <GoneBoB> ok well, catch you later
[03:02] <scylax> GoneBoB: cya
[03:02] <bj_> I made that mistake once
[03:02] <GoneBoB> stuNNed: no
[03:02] <stuNNed> GoneBoB, thanks cya
[03:02] <Kakalto_> bj_: It's doing that
[03:02] <Kakalto_> I had 2 cd boots, then hard drive
[03:03] <bj_> ok, well thats all im good for haha
[03:03] <Kakalto_> bj_, thanks anyway
[03:08] <Kakalto> hopefully ubuntu will save my friend's system, since it also screwed it
[03:09] <Kakalto> boy is my sleep patterns messed up
[03:09] <Kakalto> hopefully I'll be done by 5am
[03:10] <martok> Hello.
[03:10] <Kakalto> if you say so
[03:10] <Kakalto> Hello.
[03:10] <martok> Yeah... yeah...
[03:10] <martok> Hey.
[03:10] <martok> I need some help.
[03:11] <Kakalto> ask away
[03:11] <martok> Thanks.
[03:11] <martok> Ok, I'm used to FreeBSD setup.
[03:11] <martok> I just got sshd to work but...
[03:11] <martok> It's not in inet.conf, what starts it?
[03:11] <Kakalto> tried google?
[03:12] <martok> I wouldn't know what to search for.
[03:12] <martok> It seems to be just a difference in the way these 2 operating systems work.
[03:12] <martok> I'm using Ubtunu now by the way.
[03:12] <martok> This isn't a FreeBSD question.
[03:12] <Kakalto> why did you want to start sshd every time you reboot, anywy?
[03:12] <snowblink> martok:/etc/init/ssh start
[03:12] <martok> Because it's going to be a server.
[03:13] <martok> Thanks, I had a feeling it was init.
[03:13] <snowblink> martok: but you may have to apt-get it
[03:13] <martok> Hmm... so should I even use inetd?
[03:13] <larsrohdin> whats the commandline to configurate xorg?
[03:13] <martok> I already got it.
[03:13] <martok> Is inetd even useful in Ubuntu?
[03:13] <Kakalto> larsrohdin: you mean configure?
[03:14] <larsrohdin> yep=)
[03:14] <snowblink> martok: Sorry. I tend to avoid inetd.
[03:14] <martok> Yeah, when I tried putting it in inetd sshd wouldn't even run.
[03:14] <Kakalto> larsrohdin: I don't know if it's the same as in gentoo...
[03:14] <larsrohdin> try
[03:15] <Kakalto> larsrohdin: try "Xorg -configure"
[03:16] <snowblink> larsrohdin:vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:16] <Kakalto> oh hang on
[03:16] <Kakalto> trust snowblink
[03:17] <larsrohdin> ok
[03:17] <Kakalto> snowblink: is vi the default text-editor for debian?
[03:18] <larsrohdin> yeah, it worked but it was wrong... whats the thing i have to fix to, for example use two displays?
[03:18] <snowblink> kakalto: fastest to use on command line. All the docs refer to gedit, which is graphical.
[03:18] <martok> I noticed that today too.
[03:19] <martok> I ran gedit and nothing happened, heh.
[03:19] <martok> Err... attempted to run it.
[03:19] <Kakalto> snowblink: ahh, sounds right. I was wondering what ubuntu's text editor was
[03:19] <Kakalto> as I use gentoo
[03:20] <Kakalto> larsrohdin: search the forums for "two monitors"
[03:20] <Kakalto> or something similar
[03:21] <martok> Hey, if I installed apache would it be configured for init to run it too?
[03:21] <martok> Instead of inetd?
[03:22] <gt500> back =D
[03:22] <snowblink> martok: dunno - try it and tell us! ;)
[03:22] <martok> Ok, sure.
[03:23] <martok> I've never ran a webserver before though.
[03:23] <gt500> martok, yes it is
[03:23] <gt500> :)
[03:23] <larsrohdin> how many percentof the worlds computers use GNU/linux?
[03:23] <martok> Man... I guess the ubuntu people don't like inetd? LOL.
[03:23] <larsrohdin> a bit offtopic, i know...
[03:24] <gt500> larsrohdin, dunnow :p
[03:24] <gt500> lol
[03:24] <martok> Like 2% probably, heh.
[03:24] <gt500> martok , why inetd ?
[03:24] <martok> I'm used to inetd from FreeBSD is all.
[03:24] <martok> It's weird just leaving it empty.
[03:24] <vj> can not install ubuntu 100%, have 4 iso's from ubuntu, 2 downloads .............but still cannot make it work... ubuntu live cd run's perfect
[03:25] <fox-paul> vj, wheres the problem?
[03:25] <zeedo> vj: what happens when you try to run the install ?
[03:25] <gt500> vj , what's the prob @ the install ?
[03:25] <vj> wel it installs, but 50% of the applications don't work
[03:26] <fox-paul> which apps?
[03:26] <vj> sometimes it does not start the x server
[03:26] <vj> cannot acces HD
[03:26] <vj> canoot access the network
[03:26] <larsrohdin> its 3% i found!
[03:26] <martok> 4 Ubuntu ISO's?
[03:26] <martok> Wow, I was close.
[03:27] <vj> yes all sent to me by ubuntu
[03:27] <fox-paul> have you got enough space on your hd?
[03:27] <vj> well i have a 40 gb dedicated to linux
[03:27] <fox-paul> whats the output of "df -h"
[03:27] <vj> network card not detected
[03:28] <vj> i am not that deep into linux fox
[03:28] <martok> I didn't know there were 4 Ubuntu ISOs.
[03:28] <martok> I only downloaded 2, the install ISO and the Live CD.
[03:28] <fox-paul> df (disk free) will output the partition sizes and their free space
[03:28] <larsrohdin> how to configure the graphics card?
[03:28] <vj> but fc3, suse 9.2 , mandrake 10.1, yoper, kanotix, everything works
[03:29] <vj> even the live cd from ubuntu works fine
[03:29] <fox-paul> do you use the same partition scheme on all of them?
[03:29] <vj> well no i install one at a time
[03:29] <fox-paul> if an app needs to write to /tmp for example, the wont run if there's no space on /tmp
[03:29] <fox-paul> the = it*
[03:30] <vj> well but i cannot access the hd disk from the drop down menu
[03:30] <fox-paul> which menu? in the installer?
[03:30] <gt500> vj, when the live cd start , try pressing ctrl F2
[03:30] <turkuaz> anybody know of a good article to secure a debian box
[03:30] <gt500> normally the install off ubuntu says what the problem is ...
[03:31] <gt500> but peepz , i'm gone
[03:31] <vj> well on the desktop
[03:31] <vj> not during install
[03:32] <vj> what will happen if i press control F2
[03:32] <Kakalto> can everyone please cross their fingers for me?
[03:34] <gt`dvd> Kakalto, (yn) :p
[03:34] <Kakalto> I am really hoping, that even just windows will work
[03:34] <gt`dvd> why actually ? :p
[03:34] <gt`dvd> lol
[03:34] <Kakalto> because ubuntu didn't seem to
[03:35] <Kakalto> well, it did, just without windows.
[03:35] <gt`dvd> first install windows , then ubuntu
[03:35] <gt`dvd> :p
[03:35] <Kakalto> and sadly the computer I am attempting to install ubuntu onto requires windows
[03:35] <Kakalto> gt`dvd: sadly it doesn't work taht way
[03:35] <Kakalto> grub doesn't seem to like this windows
[03:36] <gt`dvd> lol , requires ?
[03:36] <Kakalto> it's my friend's system, and his brother needs win for games
[03:36] <gt`dvd> ow :p
[03:36] <gt`dvd> try wmware :p
[03:37] <Kakalto> wmware?
[03:37] <gt`dvd> run windows under linux :p
[03:37] <Kakalto> ah
[03:37] <Kakalto> I wish
[03:37] <Kakalto> that's not likely
[03:38] <kebac> gt`dvd: Windows was for games...
[03:38] <Kakalto> my friend's brother is likely too windows-engaged to to agree to such terms
[03:38] <scylax> i get stuff like this when trying to use my external ntfs drive :
[03:38] <scylax> Jan 20 15:38:03 localhost kernel: SCSI error : <5 0 0 0> return code = 0x70000
[03:38] <scylax> Jan 20 15:38:03 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 120056495
[03:38] <scylax> can anyone help?
[03:39] <Kakalto> ah, sda
[03:39] <Kakalto> I've had SATA problems before
[03:39] <Kakalto> but with an internal hdd
[03:39] <scylax> it's not really sata it's a usb ide drive
[03:39] <Kakalto> err
[03:39] <gt`dvd> brb :p
[03:40] <Kakalto> then why's it sda, not hda?
[03:40] <Kakalto> or usb
[03:40] <gt`dvd> btw
[03:40] <scylax> dunno!
[03:40] <gt`dvd> Hey , question , when i boot my Ubuntu with my usb webcam plugged in , i don't have any sound ... , but when i boot Ubuntu without my webcam plugin , i do have sound ... anyone knows a solution ?
[03:40] <icecrash> close
[03:40] <scylax> root@ubuntu:/home/aurelie/externo # ls
[03:40] <scylax> ls: lecture du rpertoire .: Erreur d'entre/sortie
[03:40] <Ex-Cyber> could someone with a well-accelerated (for 2D; I don't care about glxgears scores) X setup post /var/log/Xorg.0.log to pastebin?
[03:40] <scylax> (that means I/O Error)
[03:40] <Kakalto> gt`dvd: lol, sounds like they fight over teh same port
[03:41] <gt`dvd> lol , i have a soundblaster live @ pci slot , and usb webcam :/
[03:43] <Kakalto> gt`dvd: something funny... tried lookin on google for anyone else having the same situation?
[03:43] <gt`dvd> yeah .. found nothin .. or i didn't look too good :p
[03:44] <Kakalto> tried going on teh ubuntu forums?
[03:44] <belal122> ne1 tried the new ati drivers?
[03:44] <Kakalto> or any debian forums?
[03:44] <Kakalto> belal122: ne1 trid spekin porpa?
[03:45] <Pluk> :D
[03:45] <larsrohdin> whats the command to configure your gfx card?
[03:45] <belal122> fglrxconfig
[03:45] <belal122> that don't seem to work though.  i still get mesa3d as the opengl vendor when checking with fglrxinfo
[03:46] <Pluk> belal122, your using xorg?
[03:47] <eruin> ugh
[03:47] <eruin> anyone familiar with phpbb here?
[03:48] <gt`dvd> Kakalto, yeah i looked @ the forums , but there isn't any answer ..
[03:48] <Kakalto> gt`dvd, then try posting & asking what's up
[03:48] <Kakalto> someone must know
[03:48] <gt`dvd> idd , what i allready knew , my webcam has a built-in mic , and linux recongizes it as a 'sounddevice' ..
[03:49] <gt`dvd> ost webcams have a built-in microphone, so Ubuntu thinks it's a 'soundevice'.
[03:49] <gt`dvd> Usually your problem is caused because Ubuntu uses the webcam as default sounddevice. I don't know how to fix that, but at least you have an indication now what's causing the problem
[03:49] <Kakalto> well, why don't ya post that juicy info on the forums, too, then you'll be sure to get a reply :)
[03:50] <gt`dvd> i will ;)
[03:51] <Kakalto> although.... surely there is some place you can configure sound devices?
[03:52] <Kakalto> kind of like the network set-up & manager thing, but for sound?
[03:54] <Kakalto> have you looked much at the device manager?
[03:54] <jaak> hello... what software would you recommend for buring audio CDs in ubuntu??
[03:55] <jaak> burning
[03:55] <Kakalto> isn't there software automatically installed for that?
[03:55] <jaak> and what would that be?
[03:55] <Kakalto> I don't remember what it's called, I don't have ubuntu installed
[03:55] <Kakalto> atleast, not on my computer
[03:55] <jaak> hmm...
[03:56] <Kakalto> sorry :)
[03:58] <martok> Ubuntu is cool.
[03:58] <martok> It's like the Debian of the future.
[03:58] <jaak> cdrecord?
[03:59] <martok> I think the Nautilus cd maker is just a front end for cdrecord.
[03:59] <martok> I don't have it installed on my system though.
[03:59] <Kakalto> ^$%TGGFDB%T$
[04:00] <Kakalto> who in the huge windows development team thought to NOT have a proper boot loader!?!
[04:00] <jaak> burn:/// ?
[04:00] <martok> ?
[04:00] <Kakalto> " The setup will continue when you reboot your computer"... then it says "error reading operating system
[04:00] <martok> The Windows development team doesn't think of a lot of things.
[04:02] <jaak> can't find anything like nautilus cd maker in the repositories...
[04:02] <martok> It should have been installed in the default install.
[04:02] <martok> Did you do a custom install?
[04:03] <jaak> aa... nautilus-cd-burner
[04:03] <belal122> any1 know how to install Gyach/PYVoice under ubuntu?
[04:04] <Cyberjames> Hi
[04:04] <martok> Hey.
[04:04] <Kakalto> does anyone know about a bootloader which I could run from disk, to continue loading into windows
[04:04] <Kakalto> ?
[04:04] <jaak> is only for writing data cds.... i believe..
[04:05] <martok> I think if you fill the CD with audio it'll make it an audio CD?
[04:06] <larsrohdin> can someone help me configure my tv-out on the gfx card?
[04:07] <snowblink> kakalto: can you get into linux on the same box?
[04:08] <Kakalto> yeah...
[04:09] <snowblink> kakalto: fdisk the windows partition
[04:09] <Kakalto> doesn't matter
[04:10] <Kakalto> when installing windows, you have to reboot, and windows puts its own version of the mbr on the hdd, and because of some screwy bios thing, it doesn't like hard drives bigger than 33GB
[04:10] <snowblink> kakalto: yeah I had that problem last week
[04:10] <Kakalto> snowblink: how'd you fix it? (don't tell me to not use windows, it's not my comp, and someone needs it)
[04:11] <Kakalto> and please don't tell me you updated your bios?
[04:11] <snowblink> kakalto: first off make sure your bios thinks you only have a 33GB drive LBA
[04:11] <Kakalto> LBA?
[04:11] <larsrohdin> noone?
[04:12] <snowblink> kakalto: then fdisk and make sure you the windows partition is bootable - write partition table
[04:12] <Kakalto> snowblink: but how do I make sure the bios thinks I have 33gb LBA?
[04:13] <snowblink> kakalto: can you get into the bios?
[04:13] <Kakalto> yup
[04:13] <snowblink> kakalto: you should be able to define your disks in there
[04:13] <Kakalto> (...strange thing is, this version of the bios isn't meant to have this problem)
[04:13] <Kakalto> okay...
[04:14] <snowblink> kakalto: usually set to AUTO
[04:14] <Kakalto> it is set to auto, but not LBA
[04:15] <Kakalto> do I set it to LBA?
[04:15] <snowblink> yup
[04:15] <Kakalto> but I still can't specify how big the HDD is
[04:15] <snowblink> kakalto: will reboot and check current BIOS settings
[04:15] <snowblink> kakalto: brb
[04:15] <Kakalto> okie
[04:16] <kraetzja> im trying to write code that uses readline/readline.h, and ive installed libreadline4-dev, and the code compiles fine, but when it links, im getting an undefined reference to 'readline'
[04:16] <belal122> can someone please help me with this.  im trying to install gyach but i get this error
[04:16] <belal122> root@ubuntu:/home/mohammed # dpkg -i gyach-enhanced-pyyvoicechat_1.0.6-2_i386.deb
[04:16] <belal122> dpkg: error processing gyach-enhanced-pyyvoicechat_1.0.6-2_i386.deb (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[04:16] <belal122> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:16] <belal122>  gyach-enhanced-pyyvoicechat_1.0.6-2_i386.deb
[04:16] <kraetzja> what am i doing wrong?
[04:19] <snowblink> Kakalto: It's an AWARD BIOS
[04:19] <Kakalto> yup
[04:19] <snowblink> Kakalto: Set to User defined
[04:19] <Kakalto> err
[04:19] <Kakalto> there is no option for that, is there?
[04:19] <belal122> can someone please explain this to me:
[04:19] <belal122> root@ubuntu:/home/mohammed # dpkg -i gyach-enhanced-pyyvoicechat_1.0.6-2_i386.deb
[04:19] <belal122> dpkg: error processing gyach-enhanced-pyyvoicechat_1.0.6-2_i386.deb (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[04:19] <belal122> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:19] <belal122>  gyach-enhanced-pyyvoicechat_1.0.6-2_i386.deb
[04:19] <snowblink> Kakalto: It's the very first column
[04:20] <Kakalto> it says there "Press Enter" for autodetecting
[04:20] <snowblink> Kakalto: Should be under a colum labelled TYPE
[04:21] <Kakalto> hang on, from the main BIOS menu
[04:21] <Kakalto> I go to the first option
[04:21] <snowblink> Kakalto: Got to Standard CMOS Setup
[04:21] <belal122> oops..nvmd.  got it
[04:22] <Kakalto> ya...
[04:22] <snowblink> Kakalto: should give you 4 HDD slots
[04:22] <Kakalto> well, 4 slots, anyway, two are cd-drives, and one is unused
[04:23] <snowblink> Kakalto: okay. Next to the drive in question, what options can you change?
[04:23] <Kakalto> "IDE HDD Auto-Detection
[04:23] <Kakalto> "
[04:23] <Kakalto> "IDE Primary Master"
[04:24] <Kakalto> and Access Mode"
[04:24] <snowblink> Kakalto: Try the primary master
[04:24] <Kakalto> My Options: Auto/Manual/None
[04:24] <amblin> yes
[04:24] <Kakalto> None turns the hdd off completely
[04:25] <amblin> grr
[04:25] <snowblink> Kakalto: that's good. go for manual
[04:25] <Kakalto> ok
[04:25] <Kakalto> then...
[04:25] <snowblink> Kakalto: I'm assuming your drive is >33GB
[04:25] <Kakalto> which it is
[04:26] <snowblink> Kakalto: set the size to 33816MB
[04:26] <Kakalto> I can't
[04:26] <Kakalto> those options are shaded for no possible use
[04:26] <Kakalto> *no change possible
[04:26] <afonit> is there much of a performance difference between PC2700/PC3200/PC3700 DDR ram?
[04:27] <snowblink> Kakalto: okay try this
[04:27] <larsrohdin> can someone help me configure my tv-out port on my gfx card?
[04:27] <snowblink> Kakalto: can you get into linux?
[04:27] <snowblink> Kakalto: would like to see what fdisk reckons is on that disk
[04:27] <Kakalto> snowblink... on the livecd, yeah...
[04:28] <Kakalto> try it?
[04:28] <snowblink> Kakalto: can you show output of fdisk for that drive?
[04:28] <Kakalto> give me a few moments
[04:28] <snowblink> Kakalto: If the remaining space is being used, then windows may well have a problem with it
[04:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> what exactly is the system called in ubuntu that handles mounting?  hal or something like that?
[04:30] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: g-v-m is the final thing that receives the messages and invokes the commands.
[04:30] <Kakalto> snowblink, I gave windows its own partition
[04:30] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: before that, the kernel basically tells hal, which tells g-v-m
[04:31] <snowblink> Kakalto: how big is the partition?
[04:31] <snowblink> Kakalto: are there any other partitions on the same drive?
[04:32] <Kakalto> first: the windows partition is approx. 30GB
[04:32] <Kakalto> secondly: and there is 4 other partitions
[04:32] <snowblink> Kakalto: I believe Windows will object to those other partitions
[04:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> The problem with g-v-m is that if you have two g-v-m's running, both will get messages from HAL which means that they will race for mounting the device. Ideally one of them should go to sleep even though that solution may not be so satisfactory.
[04:33] <snowblink> Kakalto: what is on those partitions?
[04:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> is this true?
[04:33] <Kakalto> snowblink, I think not
[04:33] <snowblink> Kakalto: did you have access to those partitions before via windows?
[04:33] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: roughly
[04:33] <Kakalto> I have tried combining everything, and installing windows on the hdd, with only 1 partition, and it still won't work
[04:33] <Kakalto> snowblink: I have ubuntu on those partitions
[04:34] <Kakalto> apart from the swap partition, and the win 95 ext'd
[04:34] <snowblink> Kakalto: so this all worked and could boot before?
[04:34] <Kakalto> and the partitions didn't exist when windows last worked on this comp
[04:34] <Kakalto> snowblink:yes
[04:35] <snowblink> Kakalto: that's what I meant. If those partitions exist, you won't be able to boot windows
[04:35] <snowblink> Kakalto: Only when I used fdisk to make sure there was nothing past 30GB could I boot windows
[04:35] <Kakalto> ahh, I think I understand now
[04:36] <Kakalto> so, free up everything apart from what windows uses
[04:36] <Kakalto> and leave the free memory, free
[04:36] <snowblink> Kakalto: exactly
[04:36] <Kakalto> ?
[04:36] <Kakalto> kewl
[04:36] <Kakalto> I HAVE to get sleep soon...
[04:36] <snowblink> Kakalto: kia ora
[04:36] <Kakalto> fingers crossed this works
[04:36] <Kakalto> lol
[04:36] <Kakalto> you in NZ?
[04:37] <snowblink> Kakalto: no, but you are. ;)
[04:37] <Kakalto> ;p;
[04:37] <Kakalto> *lol
[04:37] <Kakalto> you posh british person you
[04:37] <Falstius> where can I download the warty packages from directly? (without using apt)
[04:37] <tfh> lo, what is the easiest way to edit the menu in gnome 2.9 (hoary version)
[04:37] <Falstius> or hoary for that matter
[04:38] <scylax> Falstius: www.ubuntulinux.org
[04:39] <Kakalto> snowblink: hopefully I'll get this working within the next 4 hours, the comp has to be ready by then ;)
[04:39] <Kakalto> give or take half an hou
[04:39] <Kakalto> *hour
[04:40] <snowblink> Kakalto: good luck. don't forget to make sure the windows partition is bootable and to write the partition table
[04:41] <Kakalto> I have.
[04:41] <Kakalto> although, I very much hope this works
[04:41] <Kakalto> if it doesn't, I won't be surprised, but I have one other alternative
[04:41] <larsrohdin> what alternatives are there to nautilus?
[04:41] <snowblink> Kakalto: remove windows and install ubuntu?
[04:42] <Kakalto> I wish
[04:42] <tfh> there are no ways to edit the menu ?
[04:42] <Kakalto> snowblink: sadly, it's not my comp, I can't make that kind of call
[04:42] <tfh> because i tried nautilus applications:///
[04:42] <tfh> didn't work
[04:43] <seb128> hoary ?
[04:43] <Kakalto> snowblink there's a special boot loader which (apparently) bypasses the 33gb cap
[04:43] <seb128> no graphical way to edit the menus with 2.9 atm, but you can create/changes .desktop files
[04:43] <tfh> ok
[04:43] <Kakalto> snowblink; which would mean I could install windows
[04:43] <tfh> where are those situated  ?
[04:43] <snowblink> Kakalto: ah - sounds good
[04:44] <seb128> /usr/share/applications for the system ones and ~/.local/share/applications/ for the user ones
[04:44] <tfh> thanks
[04:45] <seb128> np
[04:45] <Kakalto> snowblink: do I require the LBA access mode?
[04:45] <snowblink> Kakalto: stuff I've read suggests you have it on.
[04:45] <tfh> seb128, i can't find that folder
[04:46] <Kakalto> snowblink; in the BIOS settings for the hdd, you choose either auto, CHS, LBA, or something else
[04:46] <Kakalto> should I leave on auto
[04:46] <Kakalto> or go LBA
[04:46] <snowblink> Kakalto: try on auto and see if you have problems
[04:46] <Kakalto> I've always had problems on auto
[04:46] <snowblink> Kakalto: give LBA a go
[04:46] <Kakalto> (windows is a problem-generator, I suppose)
[04:46] <seb128> tfh: the user one ? that's normal, that's an user config, it's not created for you, just create it if needed
[04:48] <manchot> is there a way to automatically generate /etc/fstab ?
[04:48] <Kakalto> manchot: It's a small file, why would you need to?
[04:49] <Kakalto> however, I believe you can
[04:49] <Kakalto> snowblink: I think I'm gonna get some hdd  read errors...
[04:49] <manchot> Kakalto, I hate to manually edit it and I lost my backup
[04:51] <Kakalto> manchot, obviously your backup wasn't backed-up ;)
[04:51] <Xerbee> what do i type for the xserver config? Its something with xserver-config xfree86 or something?
[04:51] <snowblink> Kakalto: any luck?
[04:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> if you're using xfree86 it's like xf86config
[04:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> XF86Config..something like that
[04:52] <Kakalto> snowblink: installing base windows files now...
[04:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> or you can just edit your file manually.
[04:52] <snowblink> Kakalto: oh - I thought you had a working windows already
[04:53] <Xerbee> BROKEN_LADDER, Ok, occy told me a way yesterday, think it was somemore then XF86Config
[04:53] <tfh> seb128, ok i see the .desktop files and read some, but I don't understand how they are arranged in the menu, how is that done ? in order to edit it ?
[04:53] <Kakalto> snowblink, nope, that's why I've been having troubles
[04:53] <bet0x> Hello all, any can tell me how i add a apt-get source 2 download programas?
[04:53] <bet0x> its my first Ubuntu day :D
[04:53] <Kakalto> snowblink, that doesn't mean your help won't work, does it?
[04:53] <occy> Xerbee: :)
[04:53] <Kakalto> bet0x: join the club
[04:53] <Xerbee> Hi there occy :)
[04:53] <snowblink> Kakalto: still good
[04:54] <bet0x> i have the original cds
[04:54] <bet0x> looks really good
[04:54] <Kakalto> bet0x: That is, assuming you count from when I first touched ubuntu
[04:54] <occy> Xerbee: what be the problem?
[04:54] <snowblink> Kakalto: but refers back to the time when I first installed windows on this box
[04:54] <Kakalto> otherwise it's the day after
[04:54] <tfh> seb128, ok sorry just saw thath some .desktop files had a Category tag in there .... that must be it
[04:54] <bet0x> im a fedora user, im using rh at 5.0v
[04:54] <bet0x> :D
[04:54] <Kakalto> snowblink: ah
[04:54] <Kakalto> k
[04:54] <bet0x> and ubuntu looks really good at speed and work
[04:54] <bet0x> very fast installation too
[04:54] <maart> hi. can someone help me with restoring grub?
[04:54] <bet0x> perfect for desktop
[04:55] <bet0x> maart, grub-install /dev/hda
[04:55] <bet0x> or the first mbr partition where you whant to install it
[04:55] <bet0x> :)
[04:55] <Kakalto> bet0x: indeed, the ubuntu installation was fast.... that in itself was a problem for me
[04:56] <Kakalto> I now can't get it to dual boot with windows
[04:56] <bet0x> Kakalto, you know how i add a ubuntu mirror for APT?
[04:56] <bet0x> Kakalto, but?, say the problem
[04:56] <bet0x> shoot
[04:56] <bet0x> :D
[04:56] <maart> bet0x im using knoppix atm and that command doesnt work
[04:57] <maart> cannot create directory `/boot/grub': Read-only file system
[04:57] <Kakalto> snowblink: disk read error occured.
[04:57] <tfh> you have to fakeroot into the /boot/ partition on your hd
[04:57] <bet0x> maart, are you root?
[04:57] <maart> yes
[04:57] <Kakalto> bet0x, to add a mirror for APT, I think you go into
[04:57] <snowblink> Kakalto: Auto or LBA?
[04:58] <bet0x> maart, dont use knnopix, use the livecd of ubuntu
[04:58] <Kakalto> snowblink:auto
[04:58] <maart> livecd crached
[04:58] <snowblink> Kakalto: What version of Windows are you trying to install?
[04:58] <Kakalto> bet0x: into the main thing... cant' remember exactly what it was called
[04:58] <Kakalto> XP Home
[04:58] <Kakalto> The most user-friendly, and the most linux-un-friendly
[04:59] <Kakalto> (likely)
[04:59] <bet0x> :p
[04:59] <snowblink> Kakalto: what's it doing when you get the error?
[04:59] <Kakalto> I mean, I'm sure DOS would co-operate with linux
[04:59] <Kakalto> it's just past the DMI pool stuff
[04:59] <Kakalto> straight after checking if it can boot off a cd
[05:00] <snowblink> Kakalto: are you sure your media is good?
[05:01] <Kakalto> you mean my hdd?
[05:01] <snowblink> Kakalto: your windows CD
[05:01] <Kakalto> snowblink: sure as can ever be
[05:01] <Kakalto> it worked earlier yesterday
[05:02] <manchot> I got these errors when booting:
[05:03] <manchot> in hotplug section, pcirhp.ko and shpchp.ko can't be loaded. "operation not permitted"
[05:03] <Kakalto> okay, I'm worried now
[05:03] <snowblink> Kakalto: sorry.  on phone
[05:05] <snowblink> Kakalto: read errors sound like CD issues
[05:05] <Kakalto> snowblink couldn't be.
[05:05] <Kakalto> at that time, it's not accessing any cds
[05:06] <Kakalto> it's accessing the hdd
[05:06] <snowblink> Kakalto: ah - you've installed already?
[05:06] <Kakalto> half
[05:06] <safir> hi all
[05:06] <Kakalto> windows has 2 stages of installation
[05:06] <Kakalto> the base files, then configuring the devices, drivers, accounts, etc.
[05:07] <snowblink> Kakalto: you may want to just check all your hardware - IDE cables are pushed in etc.
[05:07] <Xerbee> Can someone help me? I think the problem is my graphic card drivers, the live cd runs great but when im installing ubuntu the drivers wont work :(
[05:07] <safir> which server should i type in synaptics to download ubuntu packages?
[05:07] <Kakalto> snowblink; it can't be that, because ubuntu had no problems installing
[05:08] <Kakalto> snowblink; but if I look up on the internet, it is apparently a problem with version 4.5 of the award bios, but I have version 6, so I shouldn't get this problem
[05:09] <snowblink> Kakalto: have you tried installing to this partition?
[05:09] <snowblink> Kakalto: with linux
[05:09] <Kakalto> no, why?
[05:09] <Kakalto> you think it would work?
[05:09] <snowblink> Kakalto: just thinking - could be bad sectors in this partition
[05:10] <snowblink> Kakalto: wouldn't help your windows
[05:10] <Kakalto> snowblink; I wouldn't think so, but it's worth a try
[05:10] <Kakalto> snowblink; attempting an install on the linux(currently free) par of the hdd
[05:11] <Kakalto> if it works, I will be liking British accents even more ;)
[05:11] <snowblink> Kakalto: that should work, but not sure how that will help
[05:11] <optyk> safir: -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[05:12] <safir> thx optyk
[05:12] <Kakalto> well, it'll mean I have a solid problem which I can say to my friend "YOUR HDD IS SCREWY. GET A NEW ONE!"
[05:12] <Kakalto> :P
[05:12] <optyk> Xerbee: X won't start after install?
[05:12] <Xerbee> optyk, Nope the thing is that it runs on the live cd... but after install it complains about no device found and im 90% sure its the graphic card
[05:13] <optyk> what kind of card is it?
[05:13] <Xerbee> optyk, Its a X800 vivo Sapphire
[05:14] <Kudret> I have problem with wxga screen on my laptop. X is working great in 1280x800, but when I switch to consoles using ctrl+alt+f{1-6} screen gets garbled that I cannot read anything, untill I switch back to X. how can I solve that problem? While booting everything is readible, problem starts after X is started.
[05:14] <safir> optyk, the howto doesnt mention any servers?!
[05:15] <snowblink> Kakalto: windows has the first primary partition right?
[05:15] <Kakalto> snowblink, before, it did, yes
[05:15] <Kakalto> originally it had the whole hard drive
[05:15] <Kakalto> I am now making it not have the first primary partition.
[05:16] <Kakalto> hopefully it won't throw a hissy fit about not being the no.1 on teh comp
[05:16] <snowblink> Kakalto: I don't think it will like that
[05:16] <Kakalto> you know how emotional windows gets, don't ya?
[05:16] <Kakalto> heheh
[05:17] <Kakalto> maybe if I say "THIS OR NOTHING!!" to it?
[05:17] <Kakalto> in a nice-sounding, polite voice?
[05:18] <Kakalto> if only it understood how lucky it is to have 5hrs of my precious sleep-time used up for it
[05:18] <Kakalto> ...for it to NOT WORK
[05:18] <Kakalto> ...atleast half a dozen times
[05:18] <optyk> Xerbee: try running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 in a terminal
[05:19] <Xerbee> optyk, And then? I have tried VGA, ATI and VIA
[05:20] <optyk> vesa, maybe...I don't have any cards that new to play with
[05:20] <Pluk> Xerbee, you installed the fglrx driver?
[05:21] <kern> How can I browse the available packages that Ubuntu provides?
[05:21] <Xerbee> Pluk, Nope, im new on ubuntu so i dont think i have installed them
[05:22] <Pluk> install xfree86-driver-fglrx  and then run fglrxconfig
[05:22] <bretzel> hi all :-) -- Someone knows motherboard : P4 S478 ASUS P4P800-SE 865PE 4D5P1A ?? because I want to change my actuall mb for that one - Want to know if Ubuntu / linux will install well in that mb ..
[05:23] <Xerbee> Pluk, How do i install them?
[05:23] <Pluk> your in textmode now i presume?
[05:23] <Xerbee> yep
[05:24] <Pluk> sudo apt-get install xfree86-driver-fglrx
[05:25] <Kakalto> snowblink; I am just about to give up on windows, aye... maybe the idiot that wants windows for games will be smart enough to figure out how to get WINE or something similar working
[05:26] <bretzel> Kakalto: Hummm... WINE cannot plays C&C Generals -- so I still need WinXp :-)
[05:26] <Kakalto> meh
[05:27] <bretzel> And I realized that that game need at least 1GB RAM -- When I've added 512MB - to - 1GB
[05:27] <snowblink> Kakalto: heh - win 98/2000 for games
[05:27] <pisuke> ps2
[05:28] <pisuke> forget about pcs for gaming
[05:28] <pisuke> directshit is a mess
[05:28] <Ribs> pisuke, and you are basing that oppinion on what?
[05:28] <bretzel> pisuke: Need keyboard and mouse to play games well: Especially for Tribes/Tribes2
[05:28] <Kakalto> snowblink: Well, absolutely everything I have tried has completely failed, I'm feeling very "glad"
[05:29] <Kakalto> (My sarcasm was here marked with speech marks)
[05:29] <pisuke> Ribs, my eXperience
[05:29] <snowblink> Kakalto: tell him to get a new MB
[05:30] <snowblink> Kakalto: and HDD
[05:30] <Kakalto> Windows - The crappiest eXPerience since sliced peas.
[05:30] <Kakalto> snowblink; sadly, I highly doubt that's gonna happen soon
[05:30] <Kakalto> his dad won't pay for anything, and he is a 14-year-old
[05:31] <Kakalto> with no job (fairly obvious for new zealand)
[05:31] <snowblink> Kakalto: best time to start him learning linux
[05:31] <kern> Hey uh... where can I find the available packages list for Ubuntu Linux?
[05:31] <Kakalto> snowblink; he doesn't mind linux, it's his brother who wants win for games, otherwise only linux would be on there
[05:32] <Kakalto> does ubuntu come with a windows emulator?
[05:32] <drspin> where do I go to free up some HD space?
[05:32] <Kakalto> try reformatting
[05:32] <Kakalto> frees up lots of space ;)
[05:32] <drspin> Kakalto: right...
[05:33] <snowblink> drspin: du -sh /
[05:33] <Kakalto> ask a silly (or vague) question, get a silly (or vague) answer
[05:34] <drspin> what are common places that ubuntu stores files that are safely removeable (apt-related, tmp dirs, etc...)
[05:34] <kern> Hey, is there a browsable package list somewhere?
[05:34] <pisuke> drspin, first try apt-get clean
[05:34] <drspin> kern: use synaptic
[05:35] <kern> Thanks.
[05:35] <Ribs> pisuke, and your 'eXperience' is what?
[05:35] <Ribs> you code DirectX applications?
[05:35] <randabis> ubuntu doesn't come with a windows emulator installed, but you can install one later after you add the universe and multiverse repositories to your sources.list
[05:36] <randabis> it is called WINE
[05:36] <drspin> ok that didn't do anything
[05:36] <Kakalto> I absolutely love my windows eXPerience, especially today. I wasted over 5 hours of sleep, for windows to just say "NO."
[05:36] <kern> I guess synaptic isn't a commandline tool?
[05:37] <randabis> synaptic is graphical
[05:37] <pisuke> no. I don't touch windows since 1994.
[05:37] <kern> I did a custom install.
[05:37] <kern> I guess that's out of the question.
[05:37] <Kakalto> does wine come with ubuntu?
[05:37] <randabis> you can use aptitude instead kern
[05:37] <Kakalto> pisuke:lucky you
[05:37] <pisuke> :)
[05:37] <kern> randabis: How do I browse the available packages?
[05:37] <pisuke> but some of my family members do
[05:38] <Kakalto> can anyone answer my question of whether or not wine comes w/ ubuntu
[05:38] <SuSE|UsER> Hello, what do I need to play mp3 files?
[05:38] <SuSE|UsER> In Warthy?
[05:38] <randabis> kakalto if would have read my text correctly, you would have seen that I said it doesn't come installed, but you can install it later quite easil
[05:38] <randabis> y
[05:38] <Kakalto> randabis?
[05:39] <randabis> randabis ubuntu doesn't come with a windows emulator installed, but you can install one later after you add the universe and multiverse repositories to your sources.list
[05:39] <Kakalto> ah, sorry, I thought you were talking to someone else
[05:39] <Kakalto> I was sure we had names for a reason
[05:39] <Kakalto> anyways, I'm thoroughly sick of this computer now
[05:40] <randabis> perhaps the content of the post was relevent to your question and thus it applies to you?
[05:40] <kern> Is there a way I can browse the available packages for Ubtuntu on the site? Like Gentoo?
[05:40] <pisuke> to make a long history short. I was asked to install a game in a win98 pc. the game updated directx, what broke all the other games. And this game hanged. I reinstalled directx from m$ and same result. know they have a ps2 and use the pc for inet and worprocessing
[05:40] <Kakalto> so I'm going to wake up the owner of the computer that just decided to be stingy
[05:40] <randabis> kern I think it's archive.ubuntu.org
[05:40] <Kakalto> and hopefully I'll get some sleep before I wake up this morning or this afternoon
[05:41] <kern> Yeah, I've been there. But I thought there might be a category based page or something.
[05:41] <kern> Thanks anyway.
[05:41] <randabis> SuSE|UsER you'll need the gstreamer0.8mad package installed to listen to mp3s
[05:41] <SuSE|UsER> randabis, thx
[05:42] <randabis> there's a cornocopia of information in the ubuntu wiki and at www.ubuntuguide.org that anyone new to ubuntu should read
[05:42] <SuSE|UsER> Ok
[05:42] <Kakalto> snowblink: thanks for your help, even though it didn't.
[05:43] <snowblink> Kakalto: good luck
[05:43] <SuSE|UsER> I cant see this file
[05:43] <SuSE|UsER> mad
[05:43] <SuSE|UsER> gstreamer0.8mad
[05:43] <Kakalto> snowblink: I'll tell it frankly, windows won't go on there
[05:43] <SuSE|UsER> Hmm maybe it is in universe
[05:43] <snowblink> SuSE|UsER: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8mad
[05:44] <pw> Got a single header line over 360 chars <-- I'm seeing this when I dist-upgrade; wossit mean?
[05:44] <bet0x> hey, any know where i can download firefox 1.0 for ubuntu?
[05:44] <bet0x> a non-official mirror?
[05:45] <SuSE|UsER> Yes
[05:45] <bet0x> but the version of firefox its a little old
[05:45] <bet0x> :p
[05:45] <bet0x> 0.9.4
[05:45] <SuSE|UsER> Backports rep
[05:46] <kern> Doesn't firefox come with Ubuntu?
[05:46] <SuSE|UsER> Yes it does
[05:46] <pw> Yes, but it's too old to satisfy the version weenies.
[05:47] <SuSE|UsER> Yep, mad is in universe
[05:47] <SuSE|UsER> URL http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/
[05:47] <SuSE|UsER> Distribution warty-backports
[05:47] <SuSE|UsER> Selection(s) main universe
[05:48] <SuSE|UsER> There is Firefox 1.0
[05:49] <bet0x> deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe
[05:49] <bet0x> groxo
[05:49] <bet0x> :D
[05:49] <kern> What the heck is a version weenie?
[05:49] <bartas> hi all
[05:49] <bartas> crimsun: remebmer me?
[05:50] <randabis> Well firefox 1.0 is superior to the .99/1.0PR release
[05:50] <drspin> how can check to see how big a folder is
[05:51] <randabis> right-click it and click properties...that's what I usually do anyway
[05:51] <Xerbee> Pluk, I tested that command sudo apt-get install xfree86-driver-fglrx but it didnt work, cant find the package..
[05:53] <pw> kern: someone who has to have the latest version, no matter what.
[05:53] <pw> kern: Like, "omfg E17 CVS HEAD!"
[05:54] <snowblink> drspin: man du
[05:54] <randabis> os[Linux 2.6.10-2-k7 - Debian 3.1]  up[2 days, 8 hours, 42 minutes]  cpu[AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+, 2205.296 MHz (4358.14 bogomips)]  mem[498.39/504.25 MB (98.8%)]  video[ at 1280x1024 (24 bits)] 
[05:54] <randabis> dammit
[05:54] <randabis> sorry
[05:55] <drspin> snowblink: thanks
[05:56] <paulproteus> drspin: On the command line or in the GUI?
[05:56] <paulproteus> Command-line:
[05:56] <paulproteus> du foldername
[05:56] <paulproteus> GUI:
[05:56] <paulproteus> right-click properties
[05:57] <drspin> paulproteus: unfortunately this doesn't work with the  "home" desktop icon -- it will work if you navigate to /home and do it though
[05:57] <drspin> thanks ;)
[05:59] <randabis> heh I don't keep any icons on the desktop
[06:00] <choopi> hello
[06:01] <randabis> hi
[06:01] <Ex-Cyber> bah, backing store doesn't seem to do anything
[06:01] <Cam-> is java vm provided in java-common?
[06:02] <crimsun> Cam-: no.
[06:02] <crimsun> Cam-: that provides faq, documentation, policy, etc.
[06:03] <Cam-> right. just getting it off the sun website
[06:03] <Cam-> ta
[06:09] <claude> oi. can someone help me with a link problem?
[06:09] <kraetzja> if i want to apt-get upgrade gaim to the newest version, what do i have to do with 'linux-image-2.6-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6-386'?
[06:09] <crimsun> claude: what sort? use #flood as necessary.
[06:09] <crimsun> kraetzja: gaim has nothing to do with kernel image or modules
[06:10] <kraetzja> The following packages have been kept back:
[06:10] <kraetzja> ... 2 not upgraded
[06:10] <kraetzja> with what i pasted as a middle
[06:10] <claude> crimsun, dunno what flood is. but it's the firefox link that's in a std ubuntu install.. it doesn't work, I've tried uninstalling firefox and re-installing, nothing happens when I presss it
[06:11] <crimsun> claude: warty? where is this firefox link of which you speak?
[06:11] <claude> crimsun, yes, warty. it's up top in the gnome panel.
[06:13] <Scognito> hi all
[06:13] <crimsun> claude: open a terminal and execute mozilla-firefox
[06:13] <claude> crimsun, yeah, sure, but that doesn't make my button work :)
[06:13] <paulproteus> kraetzja: Try apt-get install gaim
[06:13] <paulproteus> That installs the latest version of gaim, which may be an upgrade.
[06:14] <Scognito> [hoary]  I cannot install muine because muine depends on libflac4, but libflac4 was removed in favour of libflac6. Should i submit some bugreport or something?
[06:14] <crimsun> claude: right-click the icon and choose Properties
[06:14] <kraetzja> paulproteus, in this case that doesnt fetch the latest. i switched from gentoo, is there any type of 'masked' newer version?
[06:14] <claude> crimsun, yup... then what
[06:14] <crimsun> Scognito: it needs to be recompiled against libflac-dev >= 1.1.1-3
[06:14] <crimsun> Scognito: I'll ping
[06:15] <Scognito> ping == ask to someone competent?
[06:15] <crimsun> ogra_: if you're around, please adjust muine's (hoary/universe) Build-Depends for libflac-dev to be versioned >= 1.1.1-3
[06:16] <Scognito> ok :)
[06:16] <crimsun> Scognito: I have to ask someone who has upload rights until I gain them.
[06:16] <Casanova> will i b able to install debian packages in ubuntu?
[06:17] <rexec> yep
[06:17] <Casanova> k thanx
[06:17] <crimsun> Casanova: highly UNrecommended, because you may well introduce massive headaches. Always prefer Ubuntu's debs.
[06:17] <Casanova> crimsun y is that?
[06:18] <rexec> Casanova: because they are built for normal debian, not ubuntu
[06:18] <Casanova> rexec ubuntu is a distro based on debian isnt it
[06:18] <rexec> and hence they can cause dep. problems
[06:18] <crimsun> Casanova: Debian packages from Debian's repos may have dependencies versioned higher than ones (and/or not available) in Ubuntu.
[06:18] <claude> crimsun, if yer gonan tell me to have it point at /usr/bin/firefox.. i've already done that
[06:18] <crimsun> claude: just plain "firefox"
[06:19] <claude> crimsun, also did that.. it looks af if the button tries to start something, nothing showsa up tho'
[06:20] <claude> crimsun, I've also got an install in my home dir of the 1.0 install, which runs fine from console.
[06:20] <crimsun> claude: um... is your user-specific install causing problems?
[06:20] <Xerbee> Im getting a error when trying sudo apt-get install xfree86-driver-fglrx can someone help me? It says that the package is not available
[06:21] <Scognito> crimsun, tell him to also compile the 0.8.0 ;)
[06:21] <funk> If V1.0 is working.  Why not just point your shortcut to the newer working version?
[06:21] <crimsun> Scognito: that would require importing dave's personal debs, and that's a sticking point.
[06:22] <claude> crimsun, no, it's the default firefox install that's acting up. I tried to have the button run my user installed firefox, to no avail... then when I set it to just 'firefox' again, it doesn't work
[06:22] <crimsun> claude: do you have any rogue firefox-bin processes?
[06:23] <gustav_> Xerbee: it's just fglrx-driver
[06:23] <claude> crimsun, nope... it's a clean boot jsut 5 minutes ago, checked the processes already.
[06:26] <crimsun> claude: in Properties, what type is selected?
[06:26] <claude> crimsun, Program
[06:27] <claude> crimsun, does firefox have any file's arround that locks it perhaps?
[06:28] <crimsun> claude: yes, there's a lock file
[06:28] <robertj> speaking of firefox and defaults, 1.2's resolution should be to erase all traces of the profile editor
[06:28] <claude> crimsun, what's it called?
[06:29] <robertj> 1 profile per user, if you need more download an extension or create another user...
[06:29] <robertj> Anyone else here have a Default User 59324
[06:36] <claude> crimsun, what's it called?
[06:39] <crimsun_> claude: sorry, my other client's connection is completely hosed.
[06:40] <claude> crimsun_, no worries
[06:40] <claude> crimsun_ but do you know the name of the file?
[06:40] <crimsun> claude: my connection is very screwed atm
[06:40] <crimsun_> claude: which file?
[06:40] <crimsun_> heh, there's my other client, speak of the devil.
[06:41] <claude> crimsun_ which file is the firefox lock? i wanna delete it
[06:41] <crimsun> claude: in ~/.mozilla/firefox/something.default/
[06:41] <crimsun> claude: there is a lock file
[06:41] <Ex-Cyber> is it normal for rhythmbox to take over 10% CPU on an Athlon XP 1800+?
[06:42] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: playing music? scanning files to add to the library?
[06:42] <Ex-Cyber> crimsun, playing music
[06:42] <Ex-Cyber> an ogg, whatever the warty defaults for sound juicer are
[06:42] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: it uses gstreamer0.8-mad, and mad doesn't using any fp code, so it's possible.
[06:42] <crimsun> doesn't use, rather.
[06:43] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: 10% is fairly high, though.
[06:43] <Ex-Cyber> yeah
[06:43] <crimsun> claude: located it?
[06:43] <Ex-Cyber> I'm wondering if my X problems are really library or kernel problems
[06:43] <claude> crimsun, yup. and it worked, I'm up and running again, thanks for yout time!!!
[06:44] <crimsun> claude: np at all.
[06:44] <Ex-Cyber> because I have yet to see reasonable X performance on anything past 2.6.9
[06:44] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: what video card?
[06:44] <Ex-Cyber> crimsun: ATI Radeon 8500
[06:44] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: is that supported by the fglrx driver?
[06:45] <Ex-Cyber> crimsun: yes, and it doesn't help
[06:45] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: you're not renicing X or anything, are you?
[06:46] <Ex-Cyber> crimsun: nope... I had this problem with the warty defaults, and it's persisted after a dist-upgrade as well
[06:46] <lerio> hi! i'm looking for a vmware-clone available for ubuntu. do you know any?
[06:46] <crimsun> lerio: I don't know of any clones, but there're qemu, bochs, and xen, among others
[06:47] <Ex-Cyber> lerio: the closest thing I know of is QEMU, and I don't think that has full virtualization
[06:48] <lerio> crimsun Ex-Cyber: thanks guys. let me explain you my problem: i have problems with my cd-burner and i wanted to clean the lens. i just bought the cd cleaner, but the thing works with a .exe visual interface
[06:49] <lerio> crimsun Ex-Cyber: i tried to run it in wine with no luck
[06:49] <lerio> crimsun Ex-Cyber: if you have any other suggestion...
[06:49] <Ex-Cyber> crimsun: I was going to try an Accel-X Summit demo, but it requires kernel source installed and I don't see a corresponding kernel source package
[06:50] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: linux-source-2.6.8.1 for warty, linux-source-2.6.10 for hoary
[06:51] <Ex-Cyber> crimsun: odd, must have missed that in the search
[06:52] <Ex-Cyber> and that would be because it doesn't exist, evidently
[06:53] <Ex-Cyber> I see linux-source-2.6.9
[06:53] <Ex-Cyber> but no 2.6.10
[06:54] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: in hoary?
[06:54] <Ex-Cyber> crimsun: right
[06:55] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: ii  linux-source-2.6.10   2.6.10-10             Linux kernel source for version 2.6.10 with Ubuntu patches
[06:55] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: have you run `sudo aptitude update'?
[06:55] <Ex-Cyber> aptitude?
[06:55] <crimsun> Dko: did you sort out your mud daemon issues?
[06:55] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: yes.
[06:55] <Ex-Cyber> I did apt-get update
[06:56] <Dko> crimsun: No last night I went to bed to frustrated with it.  Was gona kill my computer. >_>
[06:56] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: aptitude tends to be more intelligent than apt-get, and it keeps a log of attempted actions in /var/log/aptitude as well.
[06:57] <Dko> crimsun: You know where I could go to get csh help like you said I should?  Can't seam to find much on it.
[06:58] <Ex-Cyber> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "kernel-source-2.6.10"
[06:58] <Ex-Cyber> blah
[06:58] <crimsun> Dko: contact the developers of the mud daemon themselves, since it seems to be a local application-specific issue
[06:58] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: linux-source-2.6.10, not kernel-source-2.6.10
[06:58] <Ex-Cyber> yeah
[06:59] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: the former is Ubuntu's naming scheme, the latter, Debian's
[07:00] <Ex-Cyber> in any case, I can't imagine what's causing this to go so slow
[07:00] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: perhaps hdparm tuning is necessary?
[07:00] <Ex-Cyber> crimsun: I mean X
[07:01] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: I'm not familiar with the free "radeon" driver, so I'm afraid you may need to consult the X.Org wiki
[07:01] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: as for "fglrx," ask in #ati
[07:02] <Ex-Cyber> well, #ati is the only place I can think of that I haven't tried
[07:02] <Ex-Cyber> heh
[07:03] <Coutsos> can someone help me? i'm trying to install ubuntu, i get to about 61% for installing the base system and it tells me "No installable kernel found"
[07:03] <Neo_654> Should there be a difference between internet connectivity speed between Linux and Microsoft based systems?
[07:03] <froust-school> how can i send a message to a user on a certain terminal of the box that i'm on?
[07:03] <Parallax_> anyone with a NVIDIA 6600 ????????????????
[07:04] <crimsun> Neo_654: theoretically, no. Empirically, Linux systems tend to outperform their Microsoft equivalents.
[07:04] <crimsun> froust-school: talk, mail, etc.
[07:06] <froust-school> There was one really simple one, but I forget
[07:06] <Dko> crimsun: Well it seams im a little screwed with the whole contacting the developer.  They kinda just posted this code on source forge and didn't leave a real E-mail.
[07:06] <crimsun> Dko: surely within the tarball itself there exists a file with contact information?
[07:07] <Neo_654> crimsun: Reason I ask is I've aplied the firefox tweaks and the internet browsing seems slower and file transfers are slower from this machine.  If I transfer the same file from MS machine it's alot faster.  Transfer even seems to pause a few times during transfer from here.
[07:07] <froust-school> neofeed: MIght have something to do with firefox trying ipv6 first
[07:07] <Dko> crimsun: Might of found something
[07:07] <crimsun> 'evening ogra :)
[07:08] <ogra> hi :)
[07:08] <Neo_654> froust-school: ipv6 has been disabled.
[07:08] <froust-school> ahh... i don't know then.
[07:10] <andrew__> holy shit... enuff people in here?
[07:10] <crimsun> andrew__: not yet. :)
[07:10] <Mortini> i'm trying to use wine from http://wine.sourceforge.net/Ubuntu/apt/binary/, and no matter what i do, it whines about a command-line problem with dcom95
[07:11] <Mortini> crossover office complains about the same thing
[07:11] <jon1012> :s
[07:11] <jon1012> mortini > are you a crossover advocate ?
[07:11] <Mortini> No.
[07:12] <jon1012> mortini > try to speak to the codeweavers team maybe, on channel #crossover
[07:12] <Dko> I just wana know why is it that everything I try to do in linux seams to drive me insane beffore I can get it to do what it should? >_<
[07:12] <andrew__> lol... you're taking lessons from froust
[07:12] <jon1012> ?
[07:12] <jon1012> lol
[07:13] <Dko> Well its probibly cause im taking lessons from no one. :/  All I got to learn is the net.
[07:13] <bobalien> anyone here have any experience getting an Ubuntu box on a Win2k network?
[07:13] <bobalien> I've been having permissions issues for a couple of days
[07:13] <bobalien> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=51948#post51948
[07:13] <bobalien> that's my dilemma
[07:14] <Ex-Cyber> blah
[07:14] <Mortini> Dko: It'll get easier, eventually. but you still run into stupid problems.
[07:14] <Mortini> Like, the last time i installed visio under wine, it worked just fine. now it isn't working. at all.
[07:14] <Ex-Cyber> it's times like these that I just want to go back to Windows
[07:14] <Coutsos> does anybody know why the "No installable kernel" bug occurs for some people?
[07:14] <Ex-Cyber> but then I remember that it's apparently Microsoft's purpose to make my life a total pain in the ass
[07:14] <Parallax_> anyone with a NVIDIA Serie 6 ????????
[07:15] <Coutsos> i know lots of people who've gotten ubuntu working fine, but i get that error during the base install, same thing happens when i tried installing debian
[07:15] <borgista> last time i tried to install Debian, X download broken.
[07:15] <Ex-Cyber> I've wasted way too much time on this, heh
[07:16] <shizzlean> hi all.. what's a good file manger for ubuntu?
[07:16] <borgista> i just use nautilus.
[07:16] <Ex-Cyber> seems like I can't find an OS that's not a tremendous waste of time
[07:16] <paulproteus> I use KDE and Konqueror sometimes.
[07:16] <shizzlean> yea. can nautilus do split window?
[07:16] <borgista> split window? nope.
[07:17] <Ex-Cyber> I think it can with some manual gconf twiddling, but my memory could be playing tricks on me
[07:17] <borgista> but i'm happy with nautilus, although i did really like konqueror wheni used to use kde.
[07:17] <Neo_654> bobalian: This might be dumb question but is it supposed to be possible for a *nix machine to be able to connect to a win2k domain?
[07:17] <Ex-Cyber> the gnome guys REALLY like the "spatial metaphor"
[07:17] <Ex-Cyber> or whatever
[07:17] <shizzlean> yea im running gnome
[07:17] <no0tic> jbailey: hi, after rebooting my routing tables was lost
[07:18] <Ex-Cyber> what I heard is that you can turn nautilus back to the old view, but it's deliberately hidden in gconf
[07:18] <shizzlean> I was looking for a powerful file manager.. something like directory opus, etc
[07:18] <paulproteus> Neo_654: Yes, it is possible.
[07:18] <Ex-Cyber> try google I guess... something like "nautilus disable spatial"
[07:18] <no0tic> jbailey: networking startep up normally but routing was missing
[07:18] <eruin> am I the only one having trouble with gnome-theme-manager refusing to scroll the metatheme list in hoary?
[07:19] <scoon> Ex-Cyber, /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser
[07:19] <borgista> yeah....i have the browser setting in Nautilus.
[07:19] <Neo_654> paulproteus: ok guess I'll go back to the searching cause I was having somewhat the same issue with my 2k3 server.  I can view all the drives as readonly but that is it.
[07:19] <borgista> other wise i'd go nuts.
[07:21] <jnk> Just upgraded to hoary and fonts, especially in Evolution, are damn thick!
[07:21] <borgista> you can always fix those,jnk.
[07:21] <jnk> borgista, you mean it's not a bug ?
[07:21] <borgista> i wouldn't know.
[07:22] <borgista> i don't use hoary.
[07:22] <borgista> i use warty.
[07:23] <lerio> hi! is it possible to launch the installation of win98 se from cdrom on qemu?
[07:24] <Scooter> Good Morning everyone :) , I am chopping my hard disk up into little pieces with a partition utility and i was wondering, : "Can I place a /SWAP and a /HOME partition inside an extended partition, on  logical partitions?"... TIA :D
[07:25] <lerio> hi! is it possible to launch the installation of win98 se from cdrom on qemu?
[07:25] <snowblink> Scooter: yes
[07:25] <borgista> i don't think so lerio.
[07:25] <borgista> why would you want to run a win installation in linux?
[07:26] <borgista> it really serves no purpose.
[07:26] <Scooter> Thankyou <snowblink> :)... I need lots of little partitions.. I hav 2 windows and 2 linux OS I want on this system :)
[07:26] <Dko> Gehh so white.  >_<  Anyone know how to make the background for the terminal black instead of white?  and the text white instead of black?
 Gnome terminal?
[07:27] <Dko> I bealieave so
[07:27] <bobalien> What does "Nautilus cannot display "smb://user@smb/ip.address/Share"." mean?!
[07:27] <Scooter> 1 sec I look
[07:27] <snowblink> Scooter: yup always good to share swap, and home if you're careful
[07:28] <Scooter> SHOOT! I can share swap and home? LOL! I just destroyed a partition sceme like that LMAO!
[07:28] <Scooter> thanks <snowblink>
[07:28] <snowblink> Dko: edit profile
[07:28] <scizzo> Dko: right click and edit the profile?
[07:28] <snowblink> Scooter: I meant between 2 linux installs
[07:28] <jnk> borgista, look at http://84.226.109.35/~jnk/screenshot.png ...  do you think it's normal ?
, that is cool, then I wont have to install stuff all over again for other OS, this is nice Idea :)
[07:29] <Scooter> some of the games i play take up a few GIGs each
[07:29] <Dko> There we go.  Had to turn off an option but now I can see text with out it hurting the old eyes. ^^
[07:29] <snowblink> Scooter: maybe separate partition for /opt or /usr depending on where your games install
 yea, I always turn mine to green text on black :)
[07:30] <snowblink> Dko: transparent is always fun too
[07:30] <scizzo> Dko: actually it is said that black text on white is better for the eyes
, must usr be on a primary partition?
[07:31] <Scooter> and opt?
[07:31] <snowblink> Scooter: nope. Linux is not so picky like Windows
[07:31] <snowblink> jnk: borgista left
[07:31] <Scooter> Nice... this will make so I can have smaller partitions on my master disk... this is great news :)
[07:32] <Scooter> then i can keep bloody windows all contained in its own little partition
[07:32] <jnk> snowblink, ah right :)
[07:32] <snowblink> Scooter: yes, you can keep it fenced away from the good stuff
[07:33] <Scooter> keep it fenced away because it dont play well with any other OS
[07:33] <Scooter> :D
[07:33] <Dko> Anyone recomend a good mud client with a gui for linux?
[07:33] <titoxx69> hello :)
[07:33] <titoxx69> mud ? mail user agent ?
[07:34] <titoxx69> or distribution ?
[07:34] <chibifs> Multi user dungeon, I belive he means :P
[07:34] <titoxx69> erf ok, sorry :)
[07:35] <Dko> or dominion or what not.  the 'd' has a couple variations.  :P  But its all basically the same.
 run synaptic, and do a search for MUD under games ;)
[07:35] <snowblink> Dko: apt-cache search mud
[07:35] <Scooter> I cant because i dont play MUD
[07:35] <chibifs> Dko - try papaya.
[07:36] <chibifs> It's got color and such. Should be good enough :P
[07:37] <Scooter> can NTFS be inside extended partition also? just a data partition?
[07:37] <snowblink> has anyone used linuxant WLAN driverloader in Ubuntu (Hoary)?
[07:37] <snowblink> Scooter: yup - why not make it FAT for ease of linux use?
[07:38] <no0tic> how to enable translucency & shadows on xorg 6.8.1?
, yes i will have a small transfer area for FAT... a place for windows and linux to place things to share , like quake 3 mods ;)
[07:39] <lerio> borgista: sorry for the late reply. i need to run a .exe program..
[07:39] <titoxx69> snowblink, why don't you try with ndiswrapper ?
[07:39] <lerio> borgista: and on wine is not working
[07:40] <larsrohdin> crimsun, you there?
[07:40] <snowblink> titoxx69: checks card on ndiswrapper page
[07:40] <Scooter> BRB, I am going to finish up this partition scheme and i will be back while Ubuntu, windowsX2, and Fedora install :)
[07:40] <lerio> sorry, does anybody know ho to create a virtual hd on qemu?
[07:41] <titoxx69> ok snowblink
[07:41] <larsrohdin> the .xsession file... how do i create it?
[07:41] <Dko> Thankie for the help everyone.  Later
[07:42] <larsrohdin> is it just to create a file with e.g. gedit and name it .xsession?
[07:42] <titoxx69> I don(t know driverloader's price, but i think buying a new wifi card based on ralink's chipset would be a good choice
[07:42] <titoxx69> because they've released a GPL driver for all their chips
[07:43] <larsrohdin> anyone?
[07:43] <Scooter> is there a way with Ubintu installer to tell it to mount multiple folders into 1 partitino like /USR /OPT /HOME... ? TIA :)
[07:43] <snowblink> titoxx69: thanks, will give it a go. The only listing on the page is not promising. I had it working on a 2.4.x kernel, but I'm on Hoary now.
[07:43] <no0tic> brb
[07:43] <larsrohdin> does anyone now how to create the .xsession-file?
[07:44] <titoxx69> Scooter, I think that once you've mounted your partition in /home, you can mount another ones into the first
[07:44] <lerio> does anybody know ho to create a virtual hd on qemu?
[07:44] <titoxx69> snowblink, wait a minute, i'll give you the ralink url
[07:44] <Mortini> Scooter: just do / on whatever disk partition and all those things will be on that partition
[07:45] <larsrohdin> help!
[07:45] <Mortini> you really can't do /usr and /var (as examples) on the same partition.
[07:45] <titoxx69> snowblink : http://www.ralinktech.com/supp-1.htm (see Linux files and the rt2x00 link)
[07:45] <snowblink> titoxx69: cheers. Will go take a look
 Thankyou :)
[07:45] <titoxx69> msi has released cards using such cheaps
[07:46] <titoxx69> nope :)
[07:46] <spacey_> seb128, You there?
[07:48] <lerio> does anybody know ho to create a virtual hd on qemu?
[07:48] <lypanov> daniels: ping
[07:51] <Ex-Cyber> so can anyone suggest a decent (with "decent" being defined roughly as "Q3A is playable") 2D/3D graphics chipset other than ati and nvidia ones that have good X/Linux support?
[07:52] <lypanov> ita? :P
[07:52] <lypanov> (make ur computer face the other way)
[07:52] <Ex-Cyber> haha
[07:53] <Ex-Cyber> I'm about ready to make it face a windowpane at high speed
[07:53] <lypanov> hehe. what u got in there now?
[07:53] <Ex-Cyber> Radeon 8500
[07:53] <lypanov> whats up with that?
[07:53] <Ex-Cyber> the problem could be the chipset though
[07:53] <Ex-Cyber> for some reason 2D is really slow
[07:53] <lypanov> with ati drivers of xorg?
[07:53] <lypanov> s/of/or/
[07:54] <Ex-Cyber> I've seen it with XFree86 "ati", xorg "radeon" and ATI's fglrx
[07:54] <optyk> I had to set agp to 4x in my bios to get my radeon9200 to run on my amd64
[07:54] <Ex-Cyber> optyk: define "run"
[07:55] <optyk> operate
[07:55] <Ex-Cyber> as in you had to swap another video card in to configure the BIOS?
[07:56] <optyk> no, it made text fine, but X would freeze
[07:56] <Ex-Cyber> hm
[07:56] <optyk> green screen
[07:56] <zAo^> Who can help me? In /etc/group im in the group 'su_root', when I do `id` it doesnt show up. When I do `id zao` with root, it shows up!!!
[07:56] <Ex-Cyber> lypanov: and I'm thinking about going back to a 5-year-old card :P
[07:56] <lypanov> zAo^: logout and back in
[07:56] <Ex-Cyber> actually I think it's older than that
[07:56] <Ex-Cyber> probably more like 7 years
[07:57] <lypanov> Ex-Cyber: yeah. gfx cards suck
[07:57] <Mortini> zAo^: use 'groups'
[07:57] <larsrohdin> what alternatives are there to Nautilus?
[07:57] <Mortini> er. nevermind.
[07:57] <lypanov> rox
[07:57] <Ex-Cyber> I'm not sure this is a graphics card problem though
[07:57] <Cloudchaser> welli just tried to get my pics off my camera for the first time in ubuntu and...tada!!! it just worked! no fuss! :)
[07:57] <lypanov> larsrohdin: u want more complex or even simpler?
[07:57] <zAo^> thanks lypanov : the gnometerm didnt work that way :-S Thanks!
[07:57] <Ex-Cyber> several aspects of the system seem slow that shouldn't be
[07:57] <zAo^> Mortini, groups?
[07:58] <lypanov> zAo^: yeah u don't get login with that. just a new shell
[07:58] <Mortini> zAo^: 'groups' shows the groups you're in. but. ignore me :)
[07:58] <larsrohdin> lypanov, i dont know... i use openbox right know... and i think nautilus is plain ugly
[07:58] <lypanov> zAo^: and np. that problem has annoyed me a lot in the past. it should change imo
[07:58] <zAo^> lypanov, forgot that. Thanks
[07:58] <lypanov> larsrohdin: try rox. lightweight
[07:58] <lypanov> larsrohdin: or konqi. heavyweight powerful even uglier ;)
[07:58] <zAo^> lypanov, hehe. Thnx. I have a group for users that are allowed to `su` like AIX
[07:58] <larsrohdin> lypanov, ok thx
[07:59] <lypanov> zAo^: why not use  wheels?
[07:59] <lypanov> s/ls/l/
[07:59] <zAo^> lypanov, it is like wheels; only changes the name :-)
[07:59] <lypanov> zAo^: ah :)
[07:59] <Cloudchaser> test
[07:59] <zAo^> Cloudchaser, test confirmed :D
[07:59] <lypanov> zAo^: with aix the change of groups  is immediate?
[07:59] <Cloudchaser> hehe sorry
[08:00] <Cloudchaser> i changed themes and couldn't see the text i typed in the bottom so i had to change the color to something readable
[08:00] <lypanov> hehe
[08:00] <zAo^> lypanov, no: with AIX you need to login again.
[08:01] <lypanov> zAo^: ah. okay. i thought it got it 'right' :)
[08:01] <zAo^> lypanov, :-) I think AIX sucks, but that's me :-)
[08:01] <lypanov> zAo^: i don't use gnometerm because its so slow. but in konsole its very easy to add --login to the cmdline in order to get a login everytime :)
[08:01] <larsrohdin> lypanov, what should i type in the .xsession file to make it start at X startup
[08:02] <lypanov> larsrohdin: no idea :/
[08:02] <lypanov> larsrohdin: i don't use x
[08:02] <zAo^> lypanov, I use gnometerm so that I can read this channel at the same time :)
[08:02] <larsrohdin> ok... anyone else has an idea?
[08:02] <lypanov> zAo^: hehe
[08:02] <WebMaven_> hey folks.
[08:03] <zAo^> larsrohdin why not use GDM?
[08:03] <WebMaven_> Does anyone else think the deadline for the Ubuntulinux redesign is too soon?
[08:03] <zAo^> WebMaven_, no: not this time. Xorg must be used, so does the new ATI driver
[08:04] <SuSE|UsER> Uhh how to force Totem palyer to play movies?
[08:04] <SuSE|UsER> player*
[08:04] <zAo^> SuSE|UsER,  why forcing? Got the codec pack?
[08:04] <lypanov> WebMaven_: always best to aim for faster than u could ever manage :)
[08:04] <SuSE|UsER> I downloaded codecs
[08:04] <SuSE|UsER> w32
[08:04] <zAo^> installed them? :)
[08:04] <redfun> the new kernel does not work for me, still. I hope Hoary will be as good as Warty was for me, at least
[08:04] <SuSE|UsER> Yes :)
[08:04] <WebMaven_> lypanov: explain.
[08:04] <zAo^> k. What is the error message?
[08:05] <SuSE|UsER> No error , just black screen
[08:05] <SuSE|UsER> But there is sound
[08:06] <zAo^> SuSE|UsER, thy to start it from console
[08:06] <snowblink> titoxx69: am trying ndiswrapper, seems to be going well so far. Thanks. :)
[08:06] <SuSE|UsER> Ok
[08:06] <SuSE|UsER> ** (totem:12428): WARNING **: don't know how to handle video/x-divx, divxversion=(int)4, framerate=(double)25, width=(int)720, height=(int)576
[08:07] <tritium> redfun, which kernel?
[08:08] <zAo^> well there you got it SuSE|UsER
[08:08] <SuSE|UsER> Hmm
[08:09] <SuSE|UsER> What do i got?
[08:09] <zAo^> what is the oposite of the `nice` command? (so a nicelevel of -10)
[08:09] <zAo^> SuSE|UsER, the codec cant be loaded. Installed the RPM?
[08:09] <SuSE|UsER> O_o
[08:09] <martink> zAo^, sudo nice -10
[08:09] <SuSE|UsER> deb
[08:10] <SuSE|UsER> Not rpm ;)
[08:10] <zAo^> marthink just like that? oof: shame on me: `man nice` ..... :-$
[08:10] <zAo^> SuSE|UsER, not on suse? :-)
[08:10] <SuSE|UsER> If i were on SuSE i wouldnt ask here ;)
[08:11] <martink> zAo^, also, I should insert -n in the appropriate place ;-)
[08:11] <SuSE|UsER> I have them both, I know how to do it on SuSE but I have problems on Ubuntu
[08:12] <SuSE|UsER> I installed w32codecs from Marillat repository
[08:12] <zAo^> well I am on SID, totem plays everything. Hmm. Restarted Totem?
[08:12] <Ex-Cyber> anyone know if it's normal for a KT333 northbridge to be detected as a KT400/600?
[08:12] <SuSE|UsER> I have totem-gstreamer installed
[08:13] <zAo^> SuSE|UsER, installed Totem dummy package?
[08:13] <SuSE|UsER> No
[08:13] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, I have one, let me check :)
[08:13] <tritium> redfun, which kernel?
[08:14] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, amd:~# lspci | grep -i kt
[08:14] <zAo^> 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8366/A/7 [Apollo KT266/A/333] 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8366/A/7 [Apollo KT266/A/333 AGP] 
[08:14] <Ex-Cyber> zAo^: what kernel version is that?
[08:14] <redfun> tritium, 2.6.10-2 I think. both 2.6.10 don't (didn't) work for me. I'm on Linux heaven 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux , still
[08:14] <Ex-Cyber> 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400/KT600 AGP]  Host Bridge
[08:14] <Ex-Cyber> I'm pretty sure it's actually a KT333 in there
[08:14] <tritium> redfun, in what way did it not work?
[08:14] <[BoD] Spyder> lo people
[08:14] <krischan> hey guys, I am looking for a motherboard monitoring tool, i.e. a programm that measures temperatures, fan speeds and that produces CPU load. Does anybody have a suggestion?
[08:14] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, 2.6.8-1-k7
[08:15] <Ex-Cyber> zAo^: that might explain my problems then
[08:15] <Ex-Cyber> heh
[08:15] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, what kernel are you on then?
[08:15] <Ex-Cyber> 2.6.10-k7
[08:15] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, you better wait with 2.8.10
[08:15] <zAo^> lol
[08:16] <zAo^> 2.6.10 that is :)
[08:16] <Ex-Cyber> and I've had X performance problems on anything after 2.6.9
[08:16] <bretzel> Marvell Gibabytes (onboard) RTH device is supported in linux kernel ?
[08:16] <bretzel> oops read ETH
[08:16] <redfun> tritium, they don't configure my USB keyboard and when GDM loads it locks playing the sound no-stop and I can't type down anything. that's the road block for me
[08:16] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, VGA card?
[08:16] <optyk> bretzel: sk98lin driver, yes
[08:16] <Ex-Cyber> zAo^: radeon 8500
[08:17] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, I have no problems here: R9600 Pro (Debian SID btw..)
[08:17] <bretzel> optylc: ooooh!!! great because I've just bought a ASUS P4 P800 SE 865PE mother board :-) this is the integrated eth device on it
[08:17] <tritium> redfun, regarding gdm, did you look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log ?
[08:18] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, why dont you use your old kernel instead?
[08:18] <larsrohdin> does anyone know what i should write in .xsession to make rox start at startup?
[08:18] <Ex-Cyber> actually I had this problem on 2.6.8.1 also
[08:18] <Ex-Cyber> with ubuntu anyway
[08:18] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, I should downgrade
[08:19] <redfun> tritium, nope. what would I found there? (without the keyboard I can't do much, but I could attach another keyboard if that would help me see the log, don't know)
[08:19] <SuSE|UsER> zAo^, it works now, but..Colors are strange :S
[08:19] <tritium> redfun, you could look for any error message to help you track down the problem
[08:19] <bretzel> With that MB I will be able to overclock my P4 2.4ghz cpu to 2.8 :-)
[08:19] <zAo^> SuSE|UsER,  what did you do?
[08:19] <Ex-Cyber> blah
[08:19] <larsrohdin> anyone?
[08:20] <Ex-Cyber> I can't believe how much time I've wasted on this
[08:20] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, why dont you downgrade????
[08:20] <SuSE|UsER> zAo^, i installed dummy package
[09:01] (spacey`ki/#ubuntu) seb128, oh sorry
[09:01] (spacey`ki/#ubuntu) typo ;)
[09:01] (scizzo/#ubuntu) SuSE|UsER: are we talking about totem-xine or something?
[09:01] <SuSE|UsER> I'm talking about Totem
[09:01] <SuSE|UsER> It works almost perfect
[09:01] <SuSE|UsER> Almost
[09:02] <SuSE|UsER> Because he doesnt show colours good
[09:02] <SuSE|UsER> I have violet instead of green etc.
[09:02] <scizzo> SuSE|UsER: does gstreamer give you weird colors also?
[09:02] <seb128> there is some image settings in the properties
[09:03] <SuSE|UsER> Should i install totem-gstreamer?
[09:04] <scizzo> SuSE|UsER: try with totem-xine instead
[09:04] <SuSE|UsER> I have totem-xine now
[09:05] <SuSE|UsER> Maybe i should change something in gstreamer properties
[09:05] <|QuaD-> SuSE|UsER: if you use totem-xine, gstreamer isn't used
[09:05] <SuSE|UsER> Oh
[09:05] <SuSE|UsER> So what can i do?
[09:06] <|QuaD-> i don't feel like reading up to read about your problem, state it in 1 easy to understand sentence
[09:06] <SuSE|UsER> I did xine-check
[09:06] <SuSE|UsER> Everything looks good
[09:07] <|QuaD-> 1 easy to understand sentence
[09:07] <|QuaD-> not 6 sentences
[09:07] <tanek> how do I change the default output card for alsa? i finally (somehow, don't really know how) got my sound working after trying a week (!!!), but now, to be able to use it i have to manually change sound card in the options (XMMS is the only thing I've got working yet)
[09:07] <tanek> had system + gaim sound before last reboot
[09:08] <tanek> think it all started working when i installed xmms-mad that uninstalled gstreamer-packages
[09:08] <sladen> tanek: this is a question people are puzzling over---how to present this to the user
[09:08] <neofeed> okay I need some SERIOUS help. what has shut my system so down that I can not even answer request from my local net?
[09:09] <neofeed>  /etc/hosts.deny is empty
[09:09] <crimsun> tanek: how many sound cards are you using?
[09:09] <|QuaD-> neofeed: i don't understand the question
[09:09] <sladen> neofeed: the power-cable?
[09:09] <crimsun> sladen: yes, it's certainly not trivial :/
[09:09] <neofeed> i tried:echo GET / | netcat 192.168.0.10 80
[09:09] <tanek> crimsun I have 2 cards, 1 soundblaster and 1 sis onboard sound that i do not use
[09:09] <neofeed> that works from my local box (.10) . but if i try that frm the router (.100) it does not.
[09:09] <neofeed> neither does it from any other box on the network.
[09:10] <neofeed> sladen, no
[09:10] <sladen> neofeed: Ubuntu has a zero-open ports policy in the default install
[09:10] <neofeed> sladen, where do I change that?
[09:10] <scizzo> SuSE|UsER: have you tried totem-xine for the eleventh time
[09:10] <scizzo> ?
[09:10] <sladen> neofeed: by installing stuff
[09:10] <neofeed> sladen, iptable seems not to be loaded
[09:10] <tanek> switched sound cards with my mom yesterday, got sound working today, and i think there are settings left behind by my old soundblaster card
[09:10] <sladen> neofeed: there is no firewall.  Nothing is listening!
[09:10] <sladen> neofeed: nothing is listening, because nothing is running
[09:11] <tanek> 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)
[09:11] <neofeed> sladen, I have apache running
[09:11] <tanek> 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 02)
[09:11] <tanek> those 2
[09:11] <SuSE|UsER> scizzo, yes
[09:11] <crimsun> tanek: is the onboard sis grabbing id 0?
[09:11] <sladen> neofeed: right.  So your question is ''how do I configure Apache'' ?
[09:11] <scizzo> SuSE|UsER: and you get the same result there?
[09:11] <SuSE|UsER> Yes
[09:11] <tanek> onboard seem to be 1,0 and the one I want is 2,1
[09:12] <neofeed> sladen, well more like: how do I stop hoary to block all ports
[09:12] <scizzo> ok..then I don't know
[09:12] <SuSE|UsER> I tried Xine
[09:12] <SuSE|UsER> And the same result
[09:12] <tanek> so i guess it grabs id 1?
[09:12] <|QuaD-> neofeed: hoary doesn't block any ports, there is no firewall
[09:12] <sladen> neofeed: as I repeated.   Hoary is not blocking any ports
[09:12] <crimsun> tanek: paste the contents of /proc/asound/cards in #flood, please
[09:12] <neofeed> hmm than it must have been a new apache.conf
[09:12] <|QuaD-> neofeed: did you ever START apache?
[09:12] <neofeed> |QuaD-, trust me it's running!
[09:13] <|QuaD-> neofeed: how do you know?
[09:13] <neofeed> because telnet and netcat work?
[09:13] <neofeed> and give me the right header, right source?
[09:13] <|QuaD-> ok
[09:13] <|QuaD-> then i would check any error logs apache produces
[09:13] <|QuaD-> see what the error is
[09:13] <sladen> neofeed: okay, so come again.  What /doesn't/ 'appear' to be working?
[09:14] <|QuaD-> sladen: neofeed never really stated the problem too well
[09:14] <neofeed> sladen, any service from the network.
[09:14] <sladen> neofeed: what other services have you tried?
[09:14] <tanek> crimsun: done
[09:14] <neofeed> sladen, http,ftp,jboss,ssh
[09:14] <tanek> btw, when setting alsa plugin in xmms to default i get no sound from either card
[09:14] <|QuaD-> neofeed: if you can telnet to them, the port is open, and you are configuring it wrong
[09:14] <SuSE|UsER> Maybe i should change video driver in xine options?
[09:15] <crimsun> tanek: which do you want to use?
[09:15] <tanek> ensoniq
[09:15] <crimsun> tanek: are you using hoary?
[09:15] <tanek> just set that one as id 0?
[09:15] <tanek> no warty
[09:15] <neofeed> |QuaD-, localhost -> localhost DOES work, remote-host -> localhost does NOT work
[09:15] <sladen> neofeed: ssh is off by default even when installed
[09:15] <|QuaD-> neofeed: what is your network topology?
[09:16] <sladen> neofeed: can you paste the output of    sudo lsof | apache.*LISTEN  in #flodd
[09:16] <tanek> tried hoary and gnome stopped working together with gdm and x and a lot of other stuff :)
[09:16] <sladen> neofeed: can you paste the output of    sudo lsof | apache.*LISTEN  in #flood
[09:16] <crimsun> tanek: hoary has a workaround for it, but warty will require a slightly more kludgy method: echo snd-ens1371 | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[09:16] <neofeed> sladen, bash: apache.*LISTEN: command not found
[09:16] <neofeed> sladen, dun think I need #flood for that
[09:16] <sladen> neofeed: you missed the   'lsof'  off before that
[09:17] <crimsun> tanek: when you reboot, your ensoniq card will be the first one (id 0).
[09:17] <sladen> neofeed: oh, sorry.    sudo lsof | grep apache.*LISTEN
[09:17] <neofeed> sladen, yea I guessed so.
[09:17] <tanek> ok, I'll try that
[09:18] <Imsdle> can anyone help me with ubuntu on a 500 mhz machine with 386 mgs of ram.. I am only on dial up so its hard to download stuff.. i am a newbie.. please message me
[09:18] <neofeed> sladen, four services. All listening on TCP *:www . But all IPv6
[09:18] <neofeed> sladen, and I guess my router does not do IPv6... it only does IPv4 at the moment.
[09:18] <mz2> which package should i install to make soundjuicer be able to encode mp3s?
[09:18] <drspin> mz2: mpg123
[09:19] <tanek> crimsun: it says snd_ens1371... all done?
[09:19] <drspin> mz2: no -- lame
[09:19] <crimsun> Imsdle: have you considered ordering a set of warty cds?
[09:19] <mz2> at least it's not mpg123
[09:19] <crimsun> tanek: what says snd_ens1371?
[09:19] <tanek> the terminal
[09:19] <tanek> when i ran the echo etc etc
[09:19] <crimsun> tanek: yes.
[09:20] <Imsdle> i can download the warty CD's but I need to do at work then take them home.  i can't find what to download then take home.. does anyone have a link for the warty cds?
[09:20] <tanek> great, I'll just save some stuff and reboot, and get back to tell you if it worked, thanks!
[09:20] <drspin> mz2: nevermind... neither work... I use Grip to rip my cd's --
[09:20] <mz2> hmm, it's still not enabled in the preferences... i'm thinking, it's not lame. i thought it would be gstreamer-mad but i have that installed too
[09:20] <neofeed> sladen, okay so I need to enable IPv4 for all my services.
[09:20] <crimsun> Imsdle: linked on the ubuntu web site
[09:20] <neofeed> sladen, can you help me with that?
[09:20] <drspin> mz2: install lame and viola - mp3 encoding
[09:20] <sladen> neofeed: simplist is to disable IPv6 for the moment
[09:20] <Imsdle> i have ubuntu up and going great.. but its really slow especially with firefox running
[09:20] <neofeed> sladen, how?
[09:21] <mz2> viola? huh, where do i get that from
[09:21] <poppo> Greetings, i installed ubuntu today but i  dont see login screen -  distro boots but i dont find login screen commin up , i tried  to install yoper but it wont  boot until i type novesa ...  can  anyone help me pls ?
[09:21] <crimsun> poppo: are you at console when it finishes booting?
[09:21] <|QuaD-> poppo: is x xcrashing?
[09:21] <crimsun> poppo: what video chipset are you using?
[09:21] <poppo> no.. screen becomes blank
[09:22] <poppo> i belive its a issue with my graphic card ..
[09:22] <poppo> i have mercury graphic card  ,... is it supported ?
[09:22] <|QuaD-> poppo: what chipset?
[09:23] <poppo> intel chipset
[09:24] <crimsun> poppo: switch to a console: ctrl+alt+F1
[09:24] <crimsun> poppo: then log in and type: lspci -v|grep VGA
[09:24] <poppo> crimsun :  what shld i do after that ? iam not on that box right now .
[09:25] <Imsdle> I was wondering aobut the http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html.... do i have to download icewm or is it on the CD.. sorry for the stupid questions. im x-windows or trying to be :P
[09:25] <WebMaven_> Hi folks what do I need to do to enable Java plugins in Mozilla Firefox?
[09:26] <poppo> crimsun : what shld i do after that ?
[09:26] <sladen> neofeed: they should be listening on IPv4 and IPv6, can you paste your output in #flood
[09:26] <tanek> crimsun: THANKS!!! now it works, and even ESD works, so I can have multiple apps running sound at the same time!
[09:27] <crimsun> tanek: np
[09:27] <tanek> people like you make linux so much better than anything else :)
[09:27] <crimsun> tanek: it's a huge team effort.
[09:28] <poppo> : )
[09:28] <tanek> yep, that's the beauty, people helping eachother out :)
[09:28] <scizzo> WebMaven_: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3713.html
[09:28] <scizzo> WebMaven_: you can follow the instructions there to get it going...I did that anyway and it works fine
[09:28] <tanek> just got a few more tasks to go before i can at last get rid of crappy windows
[09:28] <Imsdle> crimsum... i have the install CD. What other CD's do i need to download for minram install
[09:28] <WebMaven_> scizzo: thx.
[09:29] <crimsun> poppo: we need to see the output of that command (paste into #flood) before we can continue
[09:29] <crimsun>                crappy windows
[09:29] <crimsun> err, sorry.
[09:29] <GoneBoB> Imsdle: there isn't any other CDs
[09:29] <crimsun> Imsdle: just the install CD.
[09:29] <scizzo> tanek: like what?
[09:29] <poppo> crimsun : i understand. thanks
[09:30] <tanek> getting cedega to use my cddrives so i can start warcraft 3 and get midi through wine for guitar pro, which i've heard is a very tricky thing to do
[09:31] <mz2> argh this is really frustrating, i'm sure it's either lame or gstreamer-mad that i need for enabling sound-juicer to work with mp3's
[09:31] <mz2> anyone?
[09:31] <|QuaD-> mz2: are you using totem-gstreamer?
[09:31] <Imsdle> does anyone know if the installation CD has all the universe-repository for the Mini-RAM???? i.e icewm
[09:31] <tanek> gstreamer was kind of buggy when i tried to get it, depended on old versions or versions i coudn't get :S
[09:32] <mz2> |QuaD, no? and what has that got to do with it anyways...
[09:33] <GoneBoB> mz2: gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:33] <GoneBoB> is the package you need to play/encode mp3s
[09:33] <GoneBoB> it's in universe
[09:33] <mz2> GoneBoB, that's what I thought. that's what I've installed, and it still won't do it
[09:34] <mz2> before it used to be enabled in the list and just failed when it tried to do it, but now the whole option box is disabled... strange
[09:34] <GoneBoB> are you running hoary
[09:34] <mz2> warty
[09:34] <mz2> To rip MP3's with Sound Juicer, you you will need to install the following:
[09:34] <mz2> 1. liblame0 (in another world)
[09:34] <mz2> 2. gstreamer0.8-lame (this one is in a galaxy, outside our universe!)
[09:35] <mz2> that's what it says in http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-957.html
[09:35] <GoneBoB> ah yep
[09:35] <GoneBoB> ok
[09:36] <GoneBoB> and obviously you've got those
[09:37] <GoneBoB> and restarted sound-juicer
[09:39] <mz2> didn't even remember that such a package as gstreamer-lame even exists, last time i did this was on FC ages ago :)
[09:39] <Ex-Cyber> how can I make my GL client libs sane again if I somehow ended up with stale fglrx ones sitting around?
[09:40] <GoneBoB> gstreamer is relatively new
[09:40] <GoneBoB> Ex-Cyber: remove/move away the stale libs>
[09:40] <GoneBoB> ?
[09:41] <Ex-Cyber> GoneBoB: that doesn't solve the problem of getting sane ones in their place
[09:41] <Ex-Cyber> or does it?
[09:41] <GoneBoB> um
[09:41] <GoneBoB> what exactly did you do
[09:42] <Ex-Cyber> there exists no record of "exactly" what I did
[09:42] <Ex-Cyber> but more or less I installed fglrx, found out it didn't solve my problem, and uninstalled it
[09:42] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, at least you'll need to change your XH86Config to use the ati dri driver, and fix the symbolic links that point to your GL libs to point to the mesa ones, not your fglrx ones. normally this should be just a matter of uninstalling the fglrx packages, though?
[09:42] <Ex-Cyber> but glx apps appear to still be loading the ATI libs
[09:43] <mz2> you'll probably find the files you have to fix for example from the package you used for installing the fglrx driver (the files it provides)
[09:43] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: how do I get that?
[09:44] <GoneBoB> Ex-Cyber: apt-get remove the fglrx package
[09:45] <kent> Ex-Cyber, What do you meen with glx apps still using the ati libs?
[09:45] <Ex-Cyber> GoneBoB: already done
[09:45] <Ex-Cyber> kent: direct rendering: No
[09:46] <Ex-Cyber> client glx vendor string: ATI
[09:46] <Ex-Cyber> direct rendering is enabled in the server
[09:46] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, or actually, the easiest is probably to just reinstall your mesa-related packages
[09:46] <Ex-Cyber> but it appears to be falling back to indirect because the client libs are incompatible
[09:46] <kbrooks> hi
[09:48] <Ex-Cyber> I guess I should have known better than to touch fglrx in the first place
[09:49] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: "mesa-related" packages?
[09:49] <kbrooks> oops
[09:49] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, well i dunno, use your brains :) search for mesa in synaptic and mark all of that stuff to be reinstalled, that should do it
[09:49] <kbrooks> Ex-Cyber, did you use sudo to install fglrx
[09:49] <kbrooks> ?
[09:50] <Ex-Cyber> kbrooks: probably
[09:50] <mz2> that, and checking that you use the correct driver in your /etc/X11/XF86Config
[09:50] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: the driver is correct
[09:50] <Ex-Cyber> or at least claims to be, it's been giving me crap 2D performance
[09:50] <Ex-Cyber> but I can't find anyone who has a reasonable idea of what's wrong
[09:51] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, what card are you using?
[09:51] <kent> Ex-Cyber, and you are sure its not just built-in gl support in the xfree driver? i thought some old ati-card had that?
[09:51] <kbrooks> oh. a idea came up to me
[09:51] <mz2> kent, not even very old cards
[09:51] <Ex-Cyber> this is baffling enough that I've actually entertained the notion of going back to Windows, which is not something I objectively consider to be a sane idea
[09:51] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: Radeon 8500
[09:53] <Ex-Cyber> kent: if it was from the xorg driver the vendor string should not be "ATI"
[09:53] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, that would point to the direction of you using the wrong driver. check if it says Driver "ati" in you XF86Config
[09:53] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: I'm using xorg, and it's "radeon"
[09:54] <mz2> isn't radeon the name for the fglrx driver? or is it "fglrx"? I can't remember anymore :)
[09:54] <Ex-Cyber> it's "fglrx"
[09:54] <Ex-Cyber> in any case I got crap performance with XF86 "ati" also
[09:55] <Mortini> is there a known problem with smbfs mounting windows shares? I get 'offset is larger than SMB_READX_MAX_PAD or negative!' in /var/log/messages when copying stuff across a server mounted via smbfs
[09:55] <drspin> would I see a performance gain if I boot with the 686 kernel rather than the 386 kernel?
[09:55] <drspin> I'm using Warty
[09:55] <drspin> ;)
[09:55] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, that's an indication of your kernel module either not compiling at all or not being loaded
[09:55] <GoneBoB> drspin: somewhat yes
[09:56] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: come again? kernel module for decent 2D performance?
[09:56] <drspin> GoneBoB: would I need to reinstall my nvidia drivers?
[09:56] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, ah, sorry I'm mixing up things, that would apply if it did read "fglrx" :)
[09:56] <drspin> GoneBoB: for the performance gain would it be worth it?
[09:57] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, but anyways, why not just grab the new X.org fglrx drivers from ati.com and be a happy linux user? :)
[09:57] <larsrohdin> crimsun, you there?
[09:57] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: because those don't solve the problem
[09:57] <Ex-Cyber> at least, I think I tried that
[09:58] <Arkainium> rofl... Evolution just locked up on me while writing some mail.  :(
[09:58] <larsrohdin> does anyone know alot about idesk?
[09:58] <Ex-Cyber> in any case it was some version of fglrx, and it behaved identically as far as I could gauge it
[09:58] <Ex-Cyber> and yes, I switched the driver to fglrx et. al.
[09:58] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, I can assure, yes they do when you get them to work :) it can be a bit of a hassle but it's worth it
[09:58] <larsrohdin> i've just installed idesk and i get this error message when trying to run it: Can't find config file or missing 'Config' table in the config file.
[09:58] <Ex-Cyber> and I've never heard of someone needing fglrx to get reasonable 2D performance
[09:59] <GoneBoB> drspin: well considering you've probably taken more time thinking about it than it would to install :)
[09:59] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: several people have assured me that the problem I'm having should not exist
[09:59] <GoneBoB> drspin: it also features a few things like >800mb ram support
[10:00] <larsrohdin> a little help on idesk anyone?
[10:01] <K-Rich> greets
[10:01] <larsrohdin> help on idesk!!
[10:02] <scizzo> larsrohdin: we saw you the first time.. :P
[10:03] <drspin> how do I set numlock = ON at boottime?
[10:03] <larsrohdin> yeah, i hoped so=) can you help me?
[10:03] <Ex-Cyber> what's the oldest kernel that would be sane with hoary?
[10:03] <GoneBoB> drspin: in your bios
[10:03] <GoneBoB> Ex-Cyber: 2.6.8.1
[10:04] <Ex-Cyber> bleh
[10:04] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, well I'm not :)
[10:04] <scizzo> larsrohdin: never tried it
[10:04] <larsrohdin> doh!
[10:05] <drspin> GoneBoB: hmmm
[10:05] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: the really frustrating thing about all this is that there are plenty of well-intentioned, generally knowledgeable people who want to help me with this, but once we get to the point of establishing that acceleration is enabled, there's not really any other obvious place to check
[10:05] <drspin> GoneBoB: I'm pretty sure that's on in the Bios...
[10:06] <K-Rich> Can anyone here help me get my modem working (it's not a win modem, i had it working under SID before)
[10:07] <Ex-Cyber> K-Rich: what kind of modem, and what's not working about it?
[10:07] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, what I'd do is trying to install the fglrx again (and make sure you have the most recent drivers that are actually supposed to be used with X.org)
[10:07] <K-Rich> Ex-Cyber: can't seem to access it with minicom or efax
[10:08] <drspin> how do I tell Grub to use the 686 kernel?
[10:08] <K-Rich> Ex-Cyber: it's generic BTS modem
[10:08] <drspin> by default?
[10:08] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: I guess I could try it, but I'm pretty sure I already did
[10:08] <Ex-Cyber> K-Rich: what device are you using for the modem?
[10:09] <K-Rich> Ex-Cyber: can't remember looking in proc now
[10:10] <poppo> guys i can configure my monitor by doin vi /etc/x11/xf86config-4   right ?
[10:10] <Arkainium> poppo, sudo
[10:11] <Arkainium> poppo, and it's case sensitive
[10:11] <poppo> {{{ sudo nano /etc/x11/xf86config-4}}} ??
[10:11] <poppo> oh k
[10:11] <Arkainium> poppo, let the tab completion take care of it
[10:11] <poppo> my login wont comeup after booting .. was wonderin if it  has somethin to do with my vga card
[10:12] <Arkainium> does it try to start gdm?
[10:12] <poppo> even for win xp  i shld use " enable vga" to boot into win xp
[10:12] <larsrohdin> another call for help on idesk! =) anyone
[10:12] <poppo> Arkainium : screen becomes blank after booting
[10:13] <mz2> is there something like klipper on gnome btw?
[10:13] <snowblink> does anyone know where I can apt-get xine 1.0?
[10:14] <larsrohdin> in a terminal?
[10:14] <Arkainium> poppo, you can't even see the console after it loads the kernel?
[10:14] <poppo> and if u are aware of yoper - i shld use novesa to install  it
[10:14] <Serengeti> scoon, i don't know if you remember me but thanks for your help anyway, fscking boot partition helped :)
[10:14] <poppo> Arkainium : i didnt try using console till now . i will do  it once i reach house ..  i am tryin to write down the stuff i need to do cause i dont have access to net from that box
[10:15] <Arkainium> that's weird though, vesa modes are usually pretty safe.
[10:15] <poppo> Arkainium : do u think  shuttin down x  using alt+ctrl+f7 and then typin startx will help me ?
[10:15] <xiphias_> could someone help me with my linksys wireless pcmcia card?
[10:16] <poppo> i have a mercury vga card if that helps
[10:16] <bev> how can i manually select my monitor? it wont let my refresh go above 60.
[10:16] <crimsun> poppo: did you ever paste that info we requested?
[10:16] <poppo> crimsun : iam not at that box now  mate .
[10:17] <larsrohdin> crimsun, can you help me with an idesk error message?
[10:17] <crimsun> larsrohdin: I've never used idesk
[10:17] <crimsun> larsrohdin: have your checked their faq and news pages?
[10:17] <larsrohdin> maybe you know anyway Can't find config file or missing 'Config' table in the config file.
[10:18] <zAo^> how can I make a test-entry in /var/log/messages??
[10:18] <crimsun> zAo^: man logger
[10:18] <Arkainium> poppo, you can boot using the recovery mode, make whatever changes you need to XF86Config-4, and telinit 3.  i would think setting the device to vesa would be safe, but i'm not really sure about your card.  i guess googling it is your best bet.
[10:18] <zAo^> lol :) thanks
[10:19] <xiphias_> after installing ndiswrapper and loading the .inf file, and doing modprobe ndiswrapper, i don't have a wlan0 device, can anyone help?
[10:20] <snowblink> is anyone here running xorg?
[10:20] <snowblink> xiphias_: iwconfig
[10:20] <poppo> Arkainium : i tried using recovery mode but it doesnt help .  but pls correct me if iam wrong we can make changes  by sudo /etc/x11 .... right ?
[10:21] <xiphias_> yeah, but i don't have a wlan0 device, so it just lists lo and eth0 and says none of them has wireless extensions
[10:21] <Arkainium> yea, but poppo, recovery mode doesn't even start gdm.  if you get a blank screen while loading the kernel, something else is wrong.
[10:21] <forcotton> I'm using hoary. The window list in gnome is unappealingly small. It leaves lots of empty space unused. Is there anyone sharing the same bug?
[10:22] <snowblink> xiphias_: dmesg| tail
[10:22] <scoon> snowblink, i am running xorg
[10:22] <poppo> Arkainium : kernel loads just fine . just when we shld see login screen - screen becomes blank .
[10:22] <snowblink> scoon: just wondered if you found the colours more faded than with XFree?
[10:22] <scoon> snowblink, no.  not at all.
[10:22] <snowblink> scoon: must be me then.
[10:23] <xiphias_> snowblink, it doesn't list wlan0, id that was what you meant..
[10:23] <Arkainium> poppo, do you mean the gdm login screen, or the console login prompt?
[10:23] <thully> I have some information on this whole time zone bug that's been around forever
[10:23] <K-Rich> ugh, may have to open my cae and pull m modem to find out where it is :/
[10:23] <K-Rich> s/cae/case
[10:24] <snowblink> xiphias_: after modprobe, check your dmesg - it should say something about your wireless card if successful
[10:24] <poppo> Arkainium : kernel loads fine - i see  ok ok ok .. and just when iam supposed to get login screen -- monitor becomes blank  and remember even  to boot into xp - i shld select enable vga mode - thats the reason of me believin this has somethin to do with my vga card
[10:24] <smogger914> can some one help insta;; java
[10:25] <smogger914> can someone help me install java
[10:25] <xiphias_> snowblink, Thanks. can see it now at least :) dunno what I did different before though :)
[10:25] <smogger914> the kernel thing says cannot execute binary file
[10:25] <smogger914> what do i do
[10:25] <scoon> smogger914, http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#jre
[10:25] <drspin> how can I run my hdparm commands at boot time? I want them to run right before GDM loads
[10:26] <snowblink> xiphias_: cool
[10:26] <scoon> smogger914, there are also forums that you can look thru and find some more help as well.
[10:26] <xiphias_> now, if ndiswrapper is in /etc/modules it will load automatically at boot, right?
[10:26] <Arkainium> poppo, ah, so then i can't really tell you much else.  you already know what you have available to fix it, you just need to figure out the specifics of your card.
[10:26] <scoon> drspin, look over /etc/init.d/hdparm
[10:27] <poppo> Arkainium : thanks for the help . : )
[10:28] <Arkainium> drspin, /etc/hdparm.conf?
[10:28] <Arkainium> drspin, that's the file used by the startup script
[10:29] <drspin> Arkainium: so do I make it run the right hdparm commands?
[10:29] <drspin> for all three drives in my system?
[10:30] <Arkainium> drspin, if you look in hdparm.conf it gives you some examples of how you can specify the options.  i'm not sure if you can just explicitly write the commands in there.
[10:31] <drspin> Arkainium: thanks --
[10:31] <icerogue> is there any way to get ubuntu to not ask for the install cd when installing some packages?
[10:31] <Scooter> I am trying to format and install over an empty NTFS partition, and it is not letting me...
[10:31] <kbrooks> icerogue, yeah.
[10:32] <neofeed> what happens if I try to install ubuntu on a winXP box?
[10:32] <neofeed> does it automatically install the bootloader acordingly?
[10:32] <icerogue> kbrooks: how do you do that?
[10:32] <poppo> neofeed : yes
[10:32] <kbrooks> icerogue, insall all remaining packages to the hard disk
[10:32] <kbrooks> it's in the d-i menu
[10:32] <neofeed> poppo, can I chain grub?
[10:32] <kbrooks> install*
[10:32] <icerogue> d-i menue?
[10:32] <poppo> may i know what do u mean by chain ??
[10:32] <neofeed> poppo,  like. Load grup ( win,lin ); if lin Load grub ( kernels )
[10:32] <kbrooks> debian installer
[10:33] <icerogue> how do you access that?
[10:33] <Serengeti> neofeed yes but be careful not to let it erase all your hdd during the installation, if I remember correctly it is the default option
[10:33] <Arkainium> icerogue, you can remove the cd from the apt source, but then you have to download everything from the internet
[10:33] <poppo> neofeed : yeah
[10:33] <neofeed> poppo, and say have grub (win,lin) installed on hda / mbr,  and grub (kernels) on hda3
[10:33] <icerogue> Arkainium: thats fine, where is the apt source list located again?
[10:34] <kbrooks> icerogue, /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:34] <neofeed> Serengeti, well yea I'll do partitioning myself. I was just wondering if it would automatically install grub to the right position and create an entry for the winxp start
[10:34] <kbrooks> neofeed, use the expert setup.
[10:34] <micsch> hi, where is the mp3 plugin for rhythmbox?
[10:34] <kbrooks> neofeed, boot up the ubuntu install cd annd say linux expertt
[10:35] <neofeed> kbrooks, okay.
[10:35] <Arkainium> icerogue, you can use # to comment the line out so you can add it back later
[10:35] <kbrooks> neofeed, you will get a lot of messages
[10:35] <kbrooks> ignore them.
[10:35] <kbrooks> and say no to the pcmcia prompt
[10:36] <nuOpus> hello
[10:36] <Serengeti> neofeed, in my case it did just the right thing
[10:36] <nuOpus> Hey does anyone know WHEN Array-3 was released?
[10:36] <nuOpus> Hoary Array-3
[10:36] <sergeantmcd> I am trying to install...the install loads the drivers, etc then just hangs w/ blue screen and gray bar.  any thoughts?
[10:37] <linuxn00b> hey hey, is there a cdplayer that I can add skins?
[10:37] <nuOpus> beep media
[10:37] <nuOpus> it is a gtk2 port of xmms that takes the xmms skins
[10:38] <linuxn00b> oh it plays cd haha I didn't now that haha
[10:38] <nuOpus> ya
[10:38] <nuOpus> beep is cool
[10:38] <kbrooks> hmm
[10:38] <kbrooks> i'll add user accounts
[10:38] <kbrooks> bbl.
[10:38] <linuxn00b> what the differance between the two since it's just a gtk2 port?
[10:38] <linuxn00b> also does it have an alarm??
[10:38] <micsch> hi, how can i install the mp3 plugin for rhythmbox?
[10:39] <linuxn00b> mistic, gstreamer-mad :D
[10:39] <nuOpus> The interface is 10x better because its gtk2 .... and the configuration interface is better too
[10:39] <linuxn00b> oops that for micsch
[10:39] <nuOpus> I just installed gstreamer-plugins ... gets all of them so no issues
[10:39] <linuxn00b> ahh ok...oh ok
[10:39] <linuxn00b> i'll take a look at it :)
[10:39] <nuOpus> just try it linuxn00b
[10:39] <nuOpus> lol
[10:39] <nuOpus> not gonna kill ya
[10:39] <linuxn00b> oh I will :) once my current cd is done playing haha
[10:39] <kbrooks> and "modem devices are"?
[10:39] <nuOpus> ... or will it?
[10:39] <nuOpus> dum dum dum
[10:40] <kbrooks> s/are\"/are
[10:40] <micsch> thx
[10:40] <linuxn00b> only one way to find out :D
[10:40] <kbrooks> and "modem devices" are?
[10:40] <mz2> micsch, the package you need is called gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:40] <linuxn00b> np :)
[10:40] <kbrooks> i need a definition of them.
[10:40] <sergeantmcd> anyone seen issues with instlaling ubuntu 4.10?
[10:40] <nuOpus> modem devices are where you plug your phone line in
[10:40] <nuOpus> lol
[10:40] <kbrooks> nuOpus, aha. ok
[10:40] <fred_> hello
[10:41] <linuxn00b> fred_,  Hi :D
[10:41] <nuOpus> kbrooks: usually its a serian interface
[10:41] <nuOpus> kbrooks: ttyS0 if its on COM1
[10:41] <Kaa_NL> hi
[10:41] <fred_> ahh ya du francais dans le coin ?
[10:41] <kbrooks> nuOpus, thanks. i had to ask because i am adding users in users / groups
[10:41] <kbrooks> fred_, #ubuntu-fr
[10:42] <nuOpus> kbrooks: gotcha ... unless its a software modem though
[10:42] <fred_> ahh :) autant pour moi je viens de l'installer l'ubuntu
[10:42] <jfly> hello
[10:42] <linuxn00b> hello :)
[10:42] <linuxn00b> nooo toto!!!!
[10:42] <Kaa_NL> every time i run a configure script is get this error configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check, does anyone know wat i can do about that?
[10:42] <jfly> need help :-)
[10:42] <nuOpus> kbrooks: in that case it is probably STILL a tty device .... ttyS4 maybe? Or could be something else
[10:42] <jfly> try to have sound but haven't succeed yet
[10:43] <nuOpus> jfly: What kind of sound?
[10:43] <jfly> to make my soundcard working
[10:43] <nuOpus> jfly: I mean ... what kind of sound card?
[10:43] <fred_> je me demandais si il etait possible de lire un film via un partage smb ou si il fallait obligatoirement le telecharger localement avant ?
[10:43] <jfly> first, i didn't find alsaconf so i downloaded alsa-utils from the alsa-project site
[10:43] <linuxn00b> fred_,  #ubuntu-fr :D
[10:43] <kbrooks> fred_, i don't pensent que n'importe qui ici sait le franais, veuillez ainsi demandent dans # ubuntu-fr
[10:44] <nuOpus> jfly: Well what kind of sound card
[10:44] <poppo> hello, iam wonderin can we change the settings of vga  in grub ?
[10:44] <fred_> sory thanks
[10:44] <jfly> i810-intel
[10:44] <linuxn00b> poppo, yes
[10:44] <nuOpus> jfly: I know what your issue is
[10:44] <linuxn00b> dont ask me how tho I just no you cna haha
[10:44] <jfly> really?
[10:44] <jfly> great
[10:44] <poppo> linuxn00b : k thanks : )
[10:44] <kbrooks> fred_, rien  tre dsol environ
[10:44] <linuxn00b> np :)
[10:44] <nuOpus> jfly: Well .... does it load but the volume doesnt work? I mean ... the MASTER volume doesnt control it
[10:45] <jfly> when I finish with the alsaconf, it tells me that no soundcards were found
[10:45] <linuxn00b> poppo, change the line that say vga=777 (or what ever number it is)
[10:45] <nuOpus> jfly: I have one of those ... the card WAS working .. but the MASTER volume was not working ... to get it to work I had to adjust with the headphones volume
[10:45] <linuxn00b> check the gentoo docs
[10:45] <kbrooks> fred_,
[10:45] <kbrooks> d'ailleurs, j'utilise un traducteur :)
[10:45] <nuOpus> jfly: Passed the ac_97 quirk and it fixed it
[10:46] <kbrooks> fred_, oops dsols
[10:46] <jfly> nuOpus: but iz's not the problem because he does tell me that there is no soundcard
[10:46] <poppo> linuxn00b : yeh i know we have to change  it but how do we change it ? by hitting " e" once grub comes up rite ?
[10:46] <nuOpus> jfly: oh
[10:46] <linuxn00b> poppo, i this its esc...I could be wrong tho
[10:46] <fred_> kbrooks, i indeed thought u used a translator, this is not even ar from being perfect :)
[10:46] <nuOpus> jfly: Sorry I can't help you jfly
[10:46] <jfly> nuOpus:how did you configure yours?
[10:46] <nuOpus> jfly: it did it automatically ... just had the volume trouble making me think it didnt work
[10:46] <poppo> k thanks linuxn00b .
[10:47] <snowblink> fred_: my French is rusty, so this might not help at all. Try mount -t smbfs
[10:47] <jfly> nuOpus:OK i see. Thx anyway
[10:47] <linuxn00b> your welcome :)
[10:47] <kbrooks> fred_, well. ;) can we talk in english now, ;)
[10:48] <jfly> is there any alsa guru? :-)
[10:48] <linuxn00b> ssh uses port 22 right?
[10:48] <nuOpus> yes
[10:48] <fred_> ok snow i'll try
[10:48] <poppo> linuxn00b : yup its esc . cheers .
[10:49] <linuxn00b> :) cheers :)
[10:49] <rexec> 2
[10:50] <sergeantmcd> I have found the ubuntu blue screen of death.
[10:50] <GoneBoB> you have?
[10:50] <linuxn00b> sergeantmcd, are you sure???
[10:50] <linuxn00b> and I htought I was drunk haha
[10:51] <drspin> OK I edited /etc/hdparm.conf for all 3 of my drives (/dev/hda; /dev/hdc; /dev/hdd) unfortunately - when that script is run, only /dev/hda is available and therefore... the other two drives don't get configured...
[10:52] <sergeantmcd> linuxn00b, I can't get it installed.  It goes thru the process of finding hardware, loading drivers, etc, then just dies with a blue screen.
[10:52] <linuxn00b> get what to work?? sound card??
[10:52] <K-Rich> Ex-Cyber: i opoened my case and now know where my modem is set but still can't get it working it's set for Com2 (/dev/ttyS1) and IRQ 3
[10:52] <drspin> anyone know how I can fix that?
[10:53] <linuxn00b> humm I just re-read...did you upgrade the kernel or is this a fresh install?
[10:53] <Scooter> is the only way to install Ubuntu to let it format and partition its self? i have a partitioned hard disk with only ext3 and linux swap... the installer is not working
[10:54] <Scooter> I tell it guided and it will let me continue
[10:54] <drspin> where can I go to add 2 commands that should execute only when the system is botting into multi-user mode
[10:54] <drspin> *booting
[10:54] <K-Rich> minicom: cannot open /dev/ttyS1: Device or resource busy
[10:54] <K-Rich> argh
[10:54] <linuxn00b> Scooter, it should...did you set the mount points?
[10:54] <sergeantmcd> Scooter, you got farther than I did.  :-(
[10:54] <Scooter> yea I got / and a swap, I even told it to format
[10:55] <neighborlee> i've installed linux-source-2.6.8.1 but my nvidia driver still wont compile against it saying wrong kernel....why is the linux-source package different than the installed default kernel  ie: default installed is 2.6.8.1-2-i386 yet linux-source package from apt is just '2.6.8.1' ????..its causing nvidia to not want to compile ;((and this is bad ...
[10:55] <GoneBoB> neighborlee: you do not need to compile the nvidia driver
[10:55] <poppo> Scooter : if u have /  and swap i see no reason why its not gettin installed
[10:55] <GoneBoB> the kernel module is in linux-restricted-modules
[10:55] <poppo> it worked just fine for me
[10:55] <GoneBoB> and the other files are in nvidia-glx
[10:55] <K-Rich> neighborlee: i had same issue, are you using the -686 kernel?
[10:55] <Scooter> yea... I let it auto configure, and i write down the settings, reboot , and try to mimic, I guess...
[10:56] <GoneBoB> so apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:56] <drspin> K-Rich: echo ATZ -> /dev/ttyS1
[10:56] <Scooter> Hi k- rich :)
[10:56] <GoneBoB> nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:56] <K-Rich> drspin: bash: /dev/ttyS1: Device or resource busy
[10:56] <swim> hay folks
[10:56] <linuxn00b> swim, hey :)
[10:56] <rattboi> yo
[10:56] <drspin> K-Rich: lsof |grep ttyS1
[10:56] <shado1> Hey
[10:56] <swim> where does ubunut put modules to load at boot?
[10:56] <swim> :)
[10:57] <Scooter> lol now it is not even letting itself do the partitioning...
[10:57] <rattboi> has anyone here tried ubuntu on an iBook?
[10:57] <melazyboy> i just ran a dist-upgrade, and compiled 2.6.10 now my unchanged entries in fstab are not working, i have the option rw and users, and am sending a username and password any ideas
[10:57] <rattboi> I'm wondering what won't work
[10:57] <Scooter> Bah,
[10:57] <neighborlee> K-Rich, whatever came stock with ubuntu
[10:57] <GoneBoB> melazyboy: why did you compile the kernel?
[10:57] <K-Rich> drspin: nothing, but i just noted my 2nd NIC is using irq 3 as well
[10:57] <neighborlee> GoneBoB, yes I do if I want to use the 'newest' driver from nvidia ?
[10:57] <GoneBoB> neighborlee: the newest driver from nvidia is in hoary
[10:57] <GoneBoB> if you want 'newest'
[10:57] <GoneBoB> you can use that
[10:58] <neighborlee> yes but i'm not sure I want to  use hoary...I thought about it but im ..uncertain at best
[10:58] <melazyboy> GoneBoB: Yes but im not seeing any information that says this is a kernel problem. i don't have any different results if i use the ubuntu bin kernel
[10:58] <neighborlee> I should be able to grab linux source and just do: sh NV*.run...;-)
[10:58] <shado1> Has anyone had any problems running a Xircom Cardbus 10/100 + 56k card?  Specifically the card running at half duplex instead of full duplex.
[10:58] <drspin> K-Rich: I Would pull the second NIC; get the modem working then work with the second NIC
[10:58] <melazyboy> GoneBoB: And these are the ubuntu kernel sources with their patches
[10:58] <Scooter> LMAO!!! I have so many partitions I have to scroll down now to see the other menu Items, it will let me install no LOL, sorry for gettting grumpy :)
[10:58] <swim> where does ubunut put modules to load at boot? anyone??
[10:59] <GoneBoB> melazyboy: what is the error or exact symptoms
[10:59] <poppo> guys , can i do xf86config in shell to configure my vga ?
[10:59] <GoneBoB> neighborlee: if you install the nvidia source it can stuff things up quite badly
[10:59] <drspin> does ubuntu use DevFS?
[10:59] <GoneBoB> and X won't start
[10:59] <GoneBoB> drspin: no, ubuntu uses udev
[11:00] <drspin> thanks
[11:00] <melazyboy> GoneBoB: It just doesn't allow me to write as non-root, and i can mount or unmount as root, even those i have users in my fstab, when i try to touch as non-root, i get touch: setting times of 'test': Permission denied
[11:00] <linuxn00b> poppo, yes
[11:00] <GoneBoB> poppo: if you want to do that, use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:00] <melazyboy> GoneBoB: The file permissions on the folder aren't set right after the mount
[11:00] <drspin> melazyboy: try adding umask=002
[11:00] <poppo> linuxn00b : thanks .
[11:00] <linuxn00b> :)
[11:00] <drspin> to your fstab
[11:00] <GoneBoB> melazyboy: what he saud
[11:00] <GoneBoB> said
[11:00] <snowblink> swim: /lib/modules/... ?
[11:00] <linuxn00b> poppo, you can also do what GoneBoB bob suggested :)
[11:00] <poppo> GoneBoB :  correct me if iam wrong that cmd will configure my vga ?
[11:01] <melazyboy> GoneBoB: I tried that -- out of curiosity if you can unmount something if you mount over with a different umask that should work for debugging right
[11:01] <swim> snowblink, I mean file to list the modules to load at boot
[11:01] <melazyboy> GoneBoB: its not failing
[11:01] <neighborlee> GoneBoB, i've never had trouble in the past with any other distro and doing sh NV*.run....but hoary is 'tempting' I admit ..if for no other reason but to help out....so hoary has 6629 nvidia I take it then...
[11:01] <K-Rich> drspin: rather annoying cause i had no issues with SID until the borked the ALSA modules :/
[11:01] <melazyboy> ehh now when i try to unmount it i get its mounted multiple times
[11:02] <K-Rich> drspin: meaning all worked fine
[11:02] <snowblink> swim: /etc/modules I think
[11:02] <GoneBoB> neighborlee: that's right
[11:02] <GoneBoB> neighborlee: if you install the nvidia drivers, when you reboot, you will need to reinstall them
[11:02] <neighborlee> GoneBoB, ok thx Ill give it a go then..
[11:02] <GoneBoB> poppo: yes it will
[11:03] <drspin> K-Rich: perhaps the Alsa modules are borked for the same reason that you have problems with SID
[11:03] <poppo> GoneBoB : thanks.
[11:03] <drspin> if only hdparm.conf would work right :(
[11:03] <GoneBoB> melazyboy: sorry I'm not following
[11:03] <GoneBoB> melazyboy: you can mount -o remount,umask=002 /mount/point
[11:03] <AndyR> lo ppl
[11:03] <K-Rich> drspin: actually, they got borked, i sis an apt-get dist-upgrade and sound stoped working heh
[11:03] <drspin> K-Rich: you upgrade to hoary?
[11:04] <scoon> drspin, what doesn't work ?
[11:04] <swim> alright anyone know how to stop gdm from starting at boot in Hoary ?
[11:04] <melazyboy> GoneBoB: I didn't relise you could mount over a mount point, ie run the same command with different arguements and you create a mount queue, but still no joy with umask=002, i was able to unmount, and when mounted with rw,users,umask=002 i still can't write
[11:04] <GoneBoB> swim: chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[11:04] <swim> GoneBoB, that will STOP it ?
[11:04] <GoneBoB> swim: after that, later on you can just use chmod +x to let it start
[11:04] <drspin> I added my drives & their respective settings to hdparm.conf but it will only work on /dev/hda -- /dev/hdc & /dev/hdd settings won't load
[11:04] <swim> oh I see -
[11:04] <GoneBoB> swim: /etc/init.d/gdm stop will stop it right now
[11:04] <K-Rich> drspin: naw... on Warty... i was using debian sid beore this though
[11:04] <snowblink> swim: remove from your runlevel
[11:05] <swim> instead of +
[11:05] <alexrait1> hello, I have some problem with ubuntu warty livecd.. I can't play mp3 files with totem. It keeps saying "failed to open" and gives no reason
[11:05] <GoneBoB> runnign chmod will stop it from starting
[11:05] <drspin> K-Rich: oh ok
[11:05] <seb128> GoneBoB: that's a really ugly hack
[11:05] <GoneBoB> swim: yes
[11:05] <scoon> drspin, and how do you know this.  i have all of my drives in there just fine.
[11:05] <swim> GoneBoB, would you happen to know where I can list nvidia to start at boot?
[11:05] <drspin> scoon: because I get an error message when I boot -- lemme find it real quick
[11:05] <GoneBoB> seb128: what's a nice way to do it that's easily user reversed
[11:05] <Scooter> wow , I just read that Nintendo ROMS are legal as long as i own the original game :) I have LOTS of nintendo games 8)
[11:05] <GoneBoB> removing the rc2.d link is the correct way
[11:06] <snowblink> swim: rm /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm
[11:06] <GoneBoB> but it's harder for a user to replace
[11:06] <seb128> GoneBoB: update-rc.d
[11:06] <K-Rich> drspin: don't get me wrong... i like ubuntu... just been having ALOT of issues (like getting my scanner to work, modem, etc etc)
[11:06] <Scooter> but no nintendo
[11:06] <Scooter> now I turn my ubuntu into a Ubuntendo with an emulator LOL!
[11:07] <alexrait1> anyone? I guess it has nothing to do with the sound server
[11:07] <GoneBoB> seb128: thanks
[11:07] <seb128> np
[11:07] <scoon> GoneBoB, actually just editing /etc/inittab is the preferred way
[11:07] <GoneBoB> scoon: that won't get you anything
[11:07] <swim> so should I list nvidia in /etc/modules or in /etc/modules.conf ?
[11:07] <neighborlee> so I change 'main' to 'hoary' I take it....replacing all instances of 'warty' with 'hoary' isn't working....
[11:08] <GoneBoB> redhat uses differnt runlevels
[11:08] <GoneBoB> debian/ubuntu don't
[11:08] <scoon> GoneBoB, it most certainly will: change the default runlevel to something other than one w/ X
[11:08] <drspin> Scooter: I use snes9x :)
[11:08] <Agrajag> Scooter: they're not legal, even if you do own the game
[11:08] <drspin> but that's SNES
[11:08] <Agrajag> but don't let that stop you
[11:08] <scoon> GoneBoB, take a peak at the man for inittab
[11:08] <Agrajag> fceu-sdl is a good NES emulator
[11:09] <Scooter> Hmmm, that is sad :( i wanted to play old games again
[11:09] <Scooter> I broke my nintendo
[11:09] <mz2> how do i add something to the debian boot process "after everything else"? like rc.local in suse/redhat etc
[11:09] <drspin> scoon: can't find the exact error but something like /dev/hdc does not exist...
[11:09] <drspin> but once I'm booted - there it is :)
[11:10] <drspin> non of my settings were applied... except to /dev/hda
[11:10] <scoon> drspin, what is /dev/hdc for you ? hard-drive or cdrom
[11:10] <Agrajag> Scooter: well who cares if it's legal
[11:10] <K-Rich> bbl
[11:10] <drspin> hdc && hdd are cdroms
[11:10] <scoon> drspin, what setting are you trying to use for them ?
[11:11] <scoon> drspin, is it just dma, cuz that can be conf'd in the kernel to happen during boot.
[11:11] <Scooter> I do, I dont do anything ilegal on this system, i am an american and i dont trust the government, I bet in the next few years thousands of people get sued in america for software and music Piracy,
[11:11] <drspin> scoon: join #flood (pasting)
[11:11] <poppo> eh ?
[11:11] <GoneBoB> scoon: I know exactly what inittab does
[11:11] <GoneBoB> and that's a redhat-ism
[11:11] <Agrajag> Scooter: do you honestly think nintendo is going to come after you for playing a 20-year-old game that you already own?
[11:12] <Agrajag> And if you don't trust your own government, why do you live here?
[11:12] <scoon> GoneBoB, i have always used it.  and am not certain that you are correct
[11:12] <melazyboy> drspin GoneBoB: Solution found! it was in the fmask=777 option, because its mounting as root, i guess i could use gid/uid to mount as a differnet user, and lower it for security but whatever =D, thanks for your help
[11:12] <borgista> Because we can.
[11:12] <Scooter> I have seen lawyers sue each other over spilling coffee in their office
[11:13] <melazyboy> drspin: GoneBoB: don't ask why but before i ran dist-upgrade i did not need an fmask or any *mask option, just rw
[11:13] <Scooter> Lawyers are the ones I fear... Blood sucking Bottom feeders
[11:14] <chka> i have in de Applications menu a submenu Debian
[11:14] <chka> is that normal
[11:14] <mwh_> hi, just installed a hoary cd, version 3, and my display is 640x480, how do I change it?
[11:14] <mwh_> I tried editing the xorg config file but it did not work :(
[11:14] <chka> but of all he items i have a double item
[11:14] <chka> double items
[11:15] <chka> e.g 2 times emacs, 2 x firefox
[11:15] <snowblink> mwh_: check your frequencies under your monitor
[11:15] <drspin> scoon: my cd's wouldn't be mounted at boot-time
[11:15] <mwh_> snowblink, ah
[11:16] <mwh_> snowblink, there is none
[11:16] <snowblink> mwh_: check your XF86Config file, otherwise you'll have to put them in by hand
[11:17] <scoon> drspin, i guess i don't really understand what the problem is that you are having.
[11:17] <_4strO> soir all
[11:17] <mwh_> snowblink, I dont have a XF86Config file
[11:17] <scoon> drspin, how many hd are you trying to tweak w/ hdparm
[11:17] <mwh_> snowblink, as I told you, I run the hoary version
[11:17] <drspin> scoon: 1 HD and two cd drives
[11:18] <scoon> drspin, ok.  so just set options for your hda.
[11:18] <drspin> scoon: since /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd are CD drives they are not available when this script is run during boot... my question was... where do I go to place two little commands for the cd drives ONLY when booting into multi-user mode
[11:18] <GoneBoB> mwh_: can you paste your /var/log/X*log file on somwhere (like pastebin.com)
[11:19] <scoon> drspin, what do you want them to do ?  i let the kernel manage my burner.
[11:19] <drspin> scoon: where can I put an hdparm command so it will run if I type init 2 at the command prompt?
[11:19] <mwh_> bbl, log is on the teli
[11:19] <mwh_> GoneBoB, hsync out of range seems to be the problem
[11:20] <mwh_> maybe I need to setup that stuff manually, though it works with fedora core 3 out of the box
[11:20] <scoon> drspin, i don't know.  never thought about runlevel tweaks.  sorry.
[11:20] <drspin> it's cool thanks anyway --
[11:20] <__learner__> I need help!
[11:20] <scoon> drspin, sounds like the hard way to me tho .
[11:20] <drspin> __learner__: with what?
[11:21] <drspin> scoon: it's an easier solution that running an hdparm command everytime I reboot -- I also need to set up a  symlink for my joystick at the same time
[11:21] <__learner__> Let me tell you. I bought a new HD (Thats Great!), the new one is way faster than the old, so would like to "transfer" my ubuntu system tyo the other HD, so I don't need to install/tweak it again.
[11:22] <__learner__> can you help me with that?
[11:22] <drspin> __learner__: are you experienced with bootloaders?
[11:22] <scoon> drspin, but that goes back to why i don't understand your question.  /etc/init.d/hdparm does not work for you ?
[11:22] <__learner__> no
[11:22] <__learner__> I don't. But I can learn how.
[11:23] <__learner__> I'm very happy!
[11:23] <__learner__> LOL!
[11:23] <drspin> scoon /etc/init.d/hdparm reads the settings from /etc/hdparm.conf
[11:23] <tibnerd> hi, wondering if anyone has got Xfce running on a AMD64 system via debs?
[11:24] <scoon> drspin, correct.  change that file to suit your needs.
[11:24] <neighborlee> in not so sure upgrading to hoary on my 'main' OS is smart...so how do I get past this error where nvidia installer says i've got the wrong kernel source..indeed ubuntu came with : 2.6.8.1-2-i386 yet the linux-source pacakge is : 2.6.8.1 ;(
[11:24] <drspin> scoon: that's what I pasted for you in #flood were my changes
[11:24] <__learner__> I have other option, wich is to load windows on the new HD, and let the old completely for ubuntu? Do you think that would be better (since ubuntu performs far better than windows on the old HD)?
[11:24] <neighborlee> please leave message il get on my return
[11:24] <scoon> drspin, luckily i just closed that window.  so what was the problem then.
[11:25] <nenubat>  i search a ftp search engine for ubuntu
[11:25] <nenubat> 
[11:25] <nenubat> helo
[11:25] <nenubat> salut
[11:26] <drspin> scoon: the settings for /dev/hda work the one's for /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd do not :: "/dev/hdc does not exist" or a similar error -- doesn't say anything about /dev/hdd because I assume that when it encounters an error it just quits
[11:26] <scoon> drspin, or what it could be is that those options do NOT work for those drives.
[11:26] <AndyR> any ideas how long a warty --> hoary upgrade will take on a 512kb/s adsl?
[11:26] <kbrooks> i have a question: is there any  software that enables me to watch tv
[11:26] <drspin> scoon - I run identical hdparm commands after boot and they work fine...
[11:27] <drspin> kbrooks: do you have a TV capture card?
[11:27] <larsrohdin> hay, idesk sucks=)
[11:27] <kbrooks> in ubuntu
[11:27] <kbrooks> drspin, yeah.
[11:27] <drspin> kbrooks: xawTV is what I used to use long long ago... not sure what to use now
[11:27] <larsrohdin> i've tried to get it to work good the last hour... now its gone=)
[11:27] <scoon> drspin, which is possible.  hdparm -I suggests a setting that is not available on my drive.
[11:28] <nenubat> helo i search an ftp search engine
[11:28] <nenubat> please
[11:28] <randabis> andy downloading the packages should take too long, but the time it takes to set it all up afterwards might be a little while
[11:28] <randabis> I have a fast system and it was able to finish the whole upgrade in under an hour
[11:28] <nenubat> for ubuntu
[11:28] <kbrooks> how do i delete the complete home directory of a user
[11:28] <AndyR> someone else in uk :)
[11:29] <RachelJM> hi, I need some help with the Live CD version
[11:29] <drspin> scoon: join #flood once again please
[11:29] <drspin> RachelJM: what is the problem?
[11:29] <AndyR> RachelJM, in what way?
[11:30] <tibnerd> kbrooks: rm -rf should do the trick
[11:30] <RachelJM> when you boot it gives a list of boot options, one of them is booting with a persistant home, and I can't figure out how to make one
[11:30] <drspin> scoon: LOL kicked for excess flood ;)
[11:30] <drspin> scoon: did you get all that?
[11:30] <scoon> drspin, no
[11:30] <drspin> ok
[11:30] <drspin> lemme t5y again
[11:30] <scoon> none of it
[11:31] <drspin> LOL
[11:31] <drspin> twice...
[11:31] <drspin> well - the settings that I have setup work just fine...
[11:31] <RachelJM> also, how can I save my settings to floppy or somewhere like that?
[11:31] <drspin> the problem is that when the /etc/init.d/hdparm script is run, it's before the drivers for the CD drives are available...
[11:32] <drspin> what I want to do is run two hdparm and an ln command right before gdm gets started
[11:32] <__learner__> is there any way to tell ubuntu to take the hole HD for it?
[11:32] <__learner__> or will I need to reinstall?
[11:32] <AndyR> well, not sure about ubuntu live but other live cd's ive tried need a fat32 partition for it
[11:33] <scoon> drspin, the kernel gets info about the drives from your BIOS
[11:33] <drspin> scoon: yes but does hdparm?
[11:34] <gen> quitter
[11:34] <scoon> drspin, and hdparm (and everything else) gets its info from the kernel that got it from the BIOS
[11:34] <AndyR> i know for sure i can access my usb pen drive from live cd
[11:34] <sergeantmcd> hard not to quit.  can't get it installed.
[11:34] <AndyR> sergeantmcd, whats up?
[11:35] <RachelJM> AndyR, do you know how to use the pen drive as a persistant home? or to save changes to?
[11:35] <AndyR> what h/w?
[11:35] <drspin> scoon: ok
[11:35] <sergeantmcd> AndyR, the installation hangs after detecting hardware/loading drivers.
[11:35] <drspin> scoon: I appreciate your help -- the solution is simple I just don't know how to add commands to the startup procedure...
[11:35] <drspin> scoon: so I'm going to figure that out...
[11:35] <AndyR> RachelJM, not persistant home but i can read and write to it
[11:36] <AndyR> sergeantmcd, any unusual h/w?
[11:36] <RachelJM> AndyR, hm, ok, how about saving a config file to it containing all changes and such?
[11:36] <sergeantmcd> AndyR, a pentium pro, 196M ram, ide cdrom, scsi drives.
[11:36] <scoon> drspin, take a look at man update-rc.d for some suggestions
[11:36] <gen> pentium pro haha
[11:36] <drspin> scoon: thanks
[11:37] <gen> i have a p133 that sits in the corner upstairs
[11:37] <Quest-Master> I have Celeron :(
[11:37] <AndyR> unsupported scsi controller?
[11:37] <Quest-Master> At least it is 2.20Ghz though
[11:37] <sergeantmcd> lol
[11:37] <mrcranky> celerons work OK.  Only gamers need the top-of-the-line
[11:38] <gen> celerons have weaksauce cache
[11:38] <sergeantmcd> I just wanted to play with ubuntu to see if I would like it.  the p-pro was the only hardware I had laying around.
[11:38] <Quest-Master> AMD64 =  I want. :(
[11:38] <RachelJM> mmmmm, sauce
[11:38] <RachelJM> so, any ideas about the config saving?
[11:39] <gen> my laptop is a p3/500, on it now
[11:39] <gen> ibm 600x
[11:39] <RachelJM> it's my only problem with an otherwise superb OS
[11:39] <AndyR> RachelJM, give me a few mins, i have a live cd here i can try on another comp
[11:39] <looksaus> I urgently need a native speaker of FRENCH/FRANCAIS
[11:39] <RachelJM> AndyR, cool, thanks :)
[11:39] <looksaus> for translating a software patents press release
[11:40] <gen> use a online translator..
[11:40] <looksaus> for Belgian opponents
[11:40] <mrcranky> looksaus I was about to say I speak some french, but not enough for that.
[11:40] <RachelJM> looksaus, tried using an online translator?
[11:40] <looksaus> RachelJM, you really can't do that
[11:40] <mrcranky> online translators are only good for a laugh.
[11:40] <looksaus> I speak enough french myself
[11:40] <looksaus> to make a rough translation
[11:40] <looksaus> more than most non-native speakers
[11:40] <looksaus> it needs to be really good and fast...
[11:40] <gen> well i would hope more then a non-native speaker
[11:41] <gen> otherwise it would be nil
[11:41] <ssam> should amarok be in the universe?
[11:41] <RachelJM> amarok?
[11:41] <gen> amarok is the xmms visualization plugin
[11:41] <gen> ?
[11:41] <optyk> no
[11:41] <ssam> the media player
[11:41] <optyk> amarok is a kde jukebox app
[11:42] <ssam> http://amarok.kde.org/
[11:42] <gen> its in uni
[11:42] <ssam> could my universe be broken, beacuse i cant find it in synaptic
[11:42] <GoneBoB> ssam: it's not there
[11:42] <GoneBoB> I think
[11:42] <gen> i see it in hoary uni repos
[11:42] <GoneBoB> someone was complaining about it the other day
[11:43] <GoneBoB> gen: not in warty
[11:43] <gen> figured as much
[11:43] <Riddell> ssam: amarok is in universe
[11:43] <ssam> i have warty
[11:43] <Riddell> ssam: don't know about warty, maybe not
[11:44] <ssam> i might have to upgrade then
[11:44] <gen> why do you want amarok so bad
[11:44] <mrcranky> how stable is hoary, anyhow?
[11:45] <gen> depends cranky
[11:45] <gsuveg> mrcranky: ist a devel
[11:45] <gsuveg> mrcranky: me was insane unstaable eht gnome 2.9 on lappy
[11:45] <gen> nice english
[11:46] <mrcranky> I was thinking the same thing
[11:46] <gsuveg> gen: sorry. i cant write
[11:46] <mrcranky> gsuveg you have frozen fingers or something?
[11:46] <ssam> i am not really happy with any of the linux media players, so need to keep swapping around
[11:46] <gsuveg> mrcranky: if you 'play' or 'hack' use, if you use for 'work' use warty
[11:46] <gen> i like muine ssam
[11:46] <Ex-Cyber> is there some way to get a BIOS dump through a linux device?
[11:47] <mrcranky> ssam you don't like rythmbox?
[11:47] <gsuveg> mrcranky: i need sleep
[11:47] <Quest-Master> Oh my god
[11:47] <ssam> i think rythmbox has the best interface
[11:47] <gen> you'd like muine then
[11:47] <mrcranky> gsuveg - this is my first hour on a Ubuntu system.  I think I'll stick to warty.
[11:47] <Quest-Master> I believe Ubuntu just killed my parents' $500 camera
[11:47] <drspin> mrcranky: I don't like rhythmbox YET -- it needs to add the ability to sort playlists before I can even use it
[11:47] <ssam> but its still not quite itunes
[11:47] <Quest-Master> ><
[11:47] <Quest-Master> nonononononono
[11:47] <gsuveg> mrcranky: then warty
[11:47] <RachelJM> Quest-Master, eep!
[11:47] <GoneBoB> Quest-Master: highly unlikely
[11:47] <Quest-Master> this is so bad.
[11:48] <GoneBoB> Quest-Master: what happened
[11:48] <gsuveg> mrcranky: me too the first ubuntu
[11:48] <Quest-Master> I deleted all of the pictures in the camera through Nautilus
[11:48] <GoneBoB> yes
[11:48] <Quest-Master> And the camera is clean and empty
[11:48] <Quest-Master> And now
[11:48] <Quest-Master> On the LCD
[11:48] <Quest-Master> The camera says there is no memory left
[11:48] <Quest-Master> And Nautilus says there is still 1.4MB left
[11:48] <mrcranky> ssam - iTunes is the only decent windows app, true
[11:48] <Quest-Master> But there is supposed to be 64MB free
[11:48] <drspin> Quest-Master: reformat the card with the camera
[11:49] <Quest-Master> How?
[11:49] <ssam> is muine in the universe
[11:49] <gen> quest, does it have removable flash memory?
[11:49] <drspin> Quest-Master: what kind of camera?
[11:49] <Quest-Master> Sony DSC
[11:49] <gen> ssam, i compiled my own in warty, it's in repos on hoary
[11:49] <Quest-Master> Yes, it has removable flash memory
[11:49] <gsuveg> mrcranky: and myabe howary backport if you need fesh packages
[11:49] <Quest-Master> I don't want to format it though and the camera not be able to read from it
[11:49] <Quest-Master> :\
[11:49] <Quest-Master> What to do?
[11:50] <gen> quest, well regardless, it didnt KILL your camera
[11:50] <Quest-Master> I have got to get this fixed before my parents are home
[11:50] <Quest-Master> ><
[11:50] <kbrooks> why? :o
[11:50] <drspin> Quest-Master: the flash card simple needs a filesystem (or file structure) that the camera supports on it
[11:50] <kbrooks> who owns the camera
[11:50] <kbrooks> and why did you remove all pictures?
[11:51] <drspin> and the only way to do that is navigate through the menus and find the option that will let you format the card
[11:51] <kbrooks> do you have a backup
[11:51] <GoneBoB> Quest-Master: the camera will format itself
[11:51] <gen> well if you removed all the pictures, why do you not want to format
[11:51] <drspin> GoneBoB: not all cameras... mine doesn't
[11:51] <RachelJM> I still need help saving settings to somewhere :(
[11:52] <GoneBoB> drspin: what a pain
[11:52] <drspin> RachelJM: what settings
[11:52] <drspin> GoneBoB: not really -- I on;y format it once a year...
[11:52] <mz2> how do i make .debs myself, from binaries i've built myself using the normal configure && make procedure?
[11:52] <GoneBoB> true, but it would be handy :)
[11:52] <drspin> I just remove the pics from it
[11:52] <RachelJM> drspin, all of them, as in all changes I make when I use ubuntu
[11:52] <kbrooks> Quest-Master, did you backup the  pictures?
[11:52] <kbrooks> well?
[11:52] <drspin> RachelJM: you mean to GNOME?
[11:53] <GoneBoB> kbrooks: he's not worried about the pictures, only the format of the card
[11:53] <AndyR> RachelJM, back now
[11:53] <RachelJM> drspin, um, probably, but I also want things like GAIM settings, and xchat servers that I add
[11:53] <Quest-Master> kbrooks: I saved the pictures luckily, yes
[11:53] <RachelJM> AndyR, cool, find anything useful?
[11:53] <drspin> RachelJM: the LiveCD won't let you save settings....
[11:54] <drspin> you should install Ubuntu
[11:54] <mrcranky> is there any way to get web-links in evolution emails to go to firefox when you click them?
[11:54] <Quest-Master> Can I reformat the camera from here?
[11:54] <Quest-Master> brb
[11:54] <kbrooks> Quest-Master, as for the format of the card.
[11:54] <AndyR> RachelJM, i tried it, but there doesnt seem to be any difference
[11:55] <kbrooks> RachelJM, install ubuntu.
[11:55] <kbrooks> RachelJM, i have.
[11:56] <AndyR> live cd is great for checking h/w compatability