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[12:55] <jimbo> can anyone help me getting sound to work on ubuntu?  "new to linux" and I installed ubuntu 4.10 on an older computer that has a sound blaster live  sound card.  
[01:02] <kbrooks> hmmmm, i dontt think anyone here knows.
[01:02] <kbrooks> nor do i.
[01:11] <jimbo> is there a sound card you would suggest?  :)
[06:15] <sivang> kbrooks: hi!
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[06:47] <froud> African greetings
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[01:05] <abelli> buon giorno
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[05:01] <froud> African Greetings
[05:02] <froud> anyone had a case where wharty hangs during install of the base system?
[05:02] <froud> I can only get to about 40% and then no more on one of my mtest achines
[05:04] <froud> insall sue, mandrake and fc3 on the smae machine no problems
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[06:47] <froud> ChrisH, ping
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[06:51] <sm> froud: try #ubuntu
[06:51] <froud> sm, it's hopeless asking there
[06:52] <froud> stupid thing is I can install other distros on that box without problem
[06:53] <sm> if it were me, I'd try the array 3 cd announced on ubuntu-dev list
[06:53] <sm> (hoary)
[06:53] <froud> I need the current ubuntu box for something else and cant install the new machine with ubuntu
[06:53] <abelli> froud: what's the problem
[06:54] <sivang> froud: install warty and dist-upgrade, the best way I think
[06:54] <froud> abelli, install of base cant complete
[06:54] <abelli> sivang: what base?
[06:54] <abelli> i mean which hoary?
[06:55] <froud> i'm using warty install cd
[06:55] <sivang> froud: latest?
[06:55] <abelli> ahh... does it stops at 67, or 34?
[06:55] <abelli> :)
[06:55] <sivang> froud: there are patched ones, fixed ,that wen after the relase.
[06:55] <abelli> s/s//
[06:56] <froud> the most recent sent to me by mako via shipit
[06:56] <froud> but why can other distros install
[06:56] <abelli> can you alt-f3? and tell what you see?
[06:56] <froud> yes I can but now running hardware diagnostics on machine
[06:57] <froud> the message to do with dependancies
[06:57] <froud> its crazy
[06:57] <abelli> what?
[06:57] <froud> I even changed vid adapter and nic just in case
[06:58] <abelli> are you doing the standard install?
[06:58] <froud> also screams because I dont have a floppy disk drive on that machine
[06:58] <sivang> froud: what seems to be the problem?
[06:58] <froud> yes 
[06:58] <froud> and run it with linux acpi=off
[06:59] <froud> sivang, dont have the exact message at momemnt just doing HW diag on machine
[06:59] <froud> but essentially install does not get p[ast the base system
[06:59] <froud> fails arround 40%
[07:00] <sivang> I think you have a prerelease cd or something,
[07:00] <sivang> I recall this problem prerelease but it got fixed.
[07:00] <sivang> try to download a new one from the archive.
[07:00] <froud> I break mako's neck if that is the case :-)
[07:01] <abelli> you should read alt-f3's shouts, or alt-f2 then "enter" and "tail /var/log/syslog"
[07:01] <froud> abelli, yes, when I      have finished hw diag and try install again
[07:01] <abelli> froud: well use hoary then...
[07:01] <froud> maybe there is something wrong with on eof the memory banks or something
[07:02] <abelli> froud: ?!
[07:02] <froud> Hmm ther emust be a local mirror in co.za
[07:03] <froud> abelli, dont mind me I will work it out
[07:03] <sivang> froud: mako has nothing to do with it :)
[07:04] <froud> anyone know of a haory mirror image in co.za
[07:04] <sivang> for downloaidng ISO?
[07:04] <sivang> don't go there, hoary installer is pretty buggy at the moment, wouldn't recommend it for installing.
[07:04] <froud> got it ftp://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/ubuntu/cdimage/releases/hoary/array-3/
[07:05] <froud> really
[07:05] <abelli> sivang: it's even better than warty's ... cmon :)
[07:05] <sivang> abelli: dependes how good you can read the debug messages :)
[07:05] <sivang> on ALT+F2/F3
[07:06] <abelli> froud: you are in the middle of the tao's circle -> chose which way you want to follow... [..Neo] 
[07:07] <froud> ok hw is ok all check sgood
[07:07] <froud> here goes
[07:10] <sm> is there someone who can do a zwiki upgrade on ?
[07:11] <froud> ok 'failed to install the base system' ' The base system installation into /target/ failed'
[07:11] <froud> going to console 3
[07:12] <froud> segmentation fault
[07:12] <froud> its crying about no floppy device
[07:12] <froud> true there is none
[07:13] <abelli> well you dont need one..
[07:14] <froud> FATAl: Error inserting floppy (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/block/floppy.ko) : No such device
[07:14] <froud> blah blah the same stuff
[07:14] <froud> the
[07:14] <froud> No such Device
[07:14] <abelli> that's not a problem..
[07:14] <froud> No Matching physical volumes found
[07:14] <froud> No volume groups found
[07:14] <abelli> i think you should try hoary
[07:15] <froud> free(): invalid pointer 0x.....
[07:15] <froud> Segmentation Fault
[07:15] <froud> well I guess I can fix it by installing a floppy :-)
[07:16] <froud> but this is stupid, should not have have a floppy
[07:16] <froud> I also tried turn floppy off in BIOS
[07:16] <froud> smae results
[07:16] <froud> same
[07:16] <froud> doenloading hoary iso
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[07:27] <abelli> froud: anything else?
[07:27] <froud> Oh no now it has aproblem with debootstrap
[07:28] <abelli> hoary... hoary... hoary...
[07:28] <froud> /usr/bin/debootstrap: 1: echo: not found
[07:28] <froud> Segmentation Fault
[07:28] <abelli> gimme an H, a big O, an then A-R-Y, HOARRRYYYYYY
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[07:29] <froud> :-)
[07:29] <froud> cant believe how messed this wary release is :-(
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[07:33] <sivang> froud: warty worked swell for a buch of installation I did
[07:34] <froud> yeah, I got it on other boxes just fine.
[07:34] <froud> but this box says, "NO UBUNTU FOR ME"
[07:35] <froud> feed it SuSE, OpenBSD, Slackware, FC and Mandrake and it just ran
[07:40] <abelli> SUSE?!?!?!?MANDRAKE?!?!?!
[07:41] <sivang> froud: shoot the box at sight :)
[07:41] <froud> Carefull SuSE rocks
[07:41] <froud> but you can give MDK to the dogs along with Lindows
[07:43] <froud> sivang, and if I did shoot them I would have a lot of dead penguins in my office. Do you really think I need a bunch of animal rights activits outside my door in the morning
[07:43] <sivang> hehe
[07:44] <sivang> I ment shoot hte ubuntu rejecting box
[07:44] <froud> or shoot ubuntu
[07:46] <froud> here is a gem
[07:46] <froud> dpkg: base-files: dependancy problems, but configuring annnyway as you request:
[07:47] <froud> base-files depnds on awk; however:
[07:47] <froud> Package awk is not installed,
[07:47] <froud> Setiing up base-files (3.0.1buntu6)
[07:47] <froud> have you ever  .....
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[08:22] <sm> hey all.. what do you think of the AllPages wiki page ?
[08:22] <sm> I think it would be better if not there
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[08:23] <abelli> sid77: ciao
[08:23] <sid77> ciao
[08:24] <sm> because the name is misleading (contents link is more complete), and it creates confusion about where to parent new stuff
[08:24] <sm> I'd like to delete it and let it's children be at the top level
[08:24] <mako> sounds fine to me
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[08:25] <abelli> mako: have you checked the ubuntuguide translation applet?
[08:26] <sm> ok, deleting
[08:29] <sm> much better
[08:33] <_d4vid> ky all
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[08:46] <sm> also: I think there should be one canonical (sic) url for the website, and others should always redirect there, to avoid confusion with urls, authentication, caching etc.
[08:46] <sm> http://ubuntulinux.org/... would be my suggestion
[08:47] <sm> what do you all think
[08:47] <sivang> abelli: it has one? didn't know avout it
[08:47] <abelli> cosa?
[08:47] <abelli> ..sorry: what?
[08:48] <sivang> abelli: translation applet for ubuntguide?
[08:49] <abelli> yeah wait a sec
[08:49] <abelli> http://83.103.20.69/ubuntu_guide/admin/edit.php 
[08:49] <abelli> username: igor
[08:49] <abelli> password: guida
[08:52] <abelli> its an alpha stage..
[09:37] <kbrooks> poke
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