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bdale	is keyspan firmware available, or do I need to build a kernel from upstream source to get that?	12:01
Ex-Cyber	so evidently it may just be coincidence that my mainboard works at all	12:01
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Ex-Cyber	all indications so far are that I really do have a VT8377 in a board designed for a VT8367	12:02
kbrooks	why are packages in universe not supported?	12:03
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snowblink	is anyone here using KDE with Hoary?	12:07
Riddell	snowblink: yes	12:07
warty_	it works. u peeps rock! the first ditro that actually works straight out of the box	12:07
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warty_	thank u	12:07
snowblink	Riddell: having trouble running things like the network configurator. Any ideas?	12:08
Ex-Cyber	warty_: yeah, it just barely missed it for me, but I'm finding that may be the fault of my mainboard manufacturer :/	12:08
warty_	zeedo u crckface hehe	12:08
tanek	good night!	12:08
warty_	bsrf crackers	12:08
warty_	take a hike	12:08
warty_	:-)	12:09
snowblink	Riddell: just get an empty window	12:09
warty_	thanks peeps and this is only the live cd	12:09
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warty_	u guys rock	12:09
warty_	we at indymedia love u	12:09
warty_	bye now :P	12:09
AndyR	anyone made a hoary live cd yet?	12:10
kbrooks	AndyR, someone has.	12:10
AndyR	is it available for d/l then?	12:10
kbrooks	Yes.	12:11
kbrooks	gimme a second to locate	12:11
AndyR	i would like to try it without committing	12:11
kbrooks	are you on a intel-based pc	12:12
AndyR	kbrooks, yes	12:12
kbrooks	http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-2/hoary-install-i386.iso	12:12
AndyR	live cd?	12:13
kbrooks	locating	12:13
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kbrooks	and that isnt the live cd	12:13
kbrooks	sorry, misread	12:13
AndyR	ok np :)	12:14
kbrooks	hold on	12:14
krischan	hey guys, what command can I use to make the PC speaker beep? I want to create an alarm signal.	12:14
kbrooks	http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso	12:14
kbrooks	there.	12:14
AndyR	kbrooks, great, thank you	12:15
kbrooks	you are very welcome	12:16
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kbrooks	you cant add packages...not unless you remount / first	12:19
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kbrooks	mount -o remount, rw -f /	12:19
AndyR	i will do a apt-get upgrade if all work	12:20
kbrooks	you cant add them onto the live cd btw	12:20
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AndyR	thats fine	12:24
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sergeantmcd	AndyR, does the ubuntu installer assume the drives are partitioned and formated?	12:30
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lexhider	just noticed the latest upload for gnome-menus mentioning "gnome launch box", where can this box be found?	12:32
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jdub	it hasn't been uploaded yet	12:33
Ex-Cyber	so now I have an entirely more plausible theory: I got a Soyo Dragon KT400 Lite in a Dragon KT333 box because someone couldn't tell the difference	12:33
Ex-Cyber	hard to be sure though	12:33
Ex-Cyber	in any case my X performance has magically gotten much better	12:33
saif	hello	12:34
lexhider	ta	12:34
AndyR	sergeantmcd, no	12:34
saif	just installed ubuntu on my laptop, 2 things i couldn	12:34
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saif	't figure out,	12:34
saif	how do i get IR to work'	12:34
saif	and how to set cpu freq to 100% all the time?	12:35
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saif	I once managed to get to a site that gives beginners a good place to start for ubuntu, how to mount drives and some stuff u have to add in a file in order for the apt-get and update commands wo work	12:36
saif	and get packages	12:36
kbrooks	the 'file' is none other than sudo	12:37
kbrooks	super user do	12:37
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saif	hehe	12:37
saif	no i got that part	12:37
poppo	saif : which site is it ?	12:37
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saif	there is a configuration file, in which u specify where synaptec should get the name of packages from, and where to find those package lists	12:39
saif	poppo: i don't remember :(	12:39
monkey89	/etc/apt/sources.list?	12:39
saif	i'll go check, i have to ucomment some stuff and add a url to that list	12:39
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bdale	is there some reason the instructions at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto don't talk about the --initrd option to make-kpkg, and instead suggest/insist you build a non-modular kernel for core io?	12:40
keyshawn2	saif: did you check the forum yet ?	12:40
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FX\|Laptop	hello	12:41
FX\|Laptop	Wondering if anyone can give me a hand.	12:41
saif	keyshawn2: nop, nothin yet, just dropped by here :) and it is the source.list file i was looking for :) thanx	12:41
FX\|Laptop	I just upgraded to hoary and I cannot load X	12:41
keyshawn2	is this it ?	12:42
AndyR	it?	12:43
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AndyR	ah ok	12:43
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keyshawn2	what irc client do you use here ? question open to all.	12:44
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saif	xchat	12:44
HrdwrBoB	irssi	12:45
kbrooks	gosh	12:45
gen	irssi	12:45
kbrooks	suddenly my internet is slow	12:45
kbrooks	xchat and irssi	12:45
BackSlaSh	bitchx	12:45
Quest-Master	XChat.	12:45
Quest-Master	:)	12:45
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red_cpu	hi	12:46
FX\|Laptop	any ideas on my no x in hoary?	12:46
nburns	xchat.. irssi sometimes though	12:46
randabis	xchat	12:47
gen	i use mirc via wine, hurr	12:47
gen	only kidding :)	12:47
red_cpu	any one know one time pad?	12:48
keyshawn2	srry, fx, never used hoary.	12:48
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Quest-Master	Irssi and XChat look identical	12:48
Quest-Master	:o	12:48
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jrydberg_	Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/samba/smbclient_3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80]	12:48
jrydberg_	somethings has changed?	12:49
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Printer_Prob	Hi all	12:52
Printer_Prob	anyone willing to help out with CUPS usb printer conifg please?	12:53
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kbrooks	Printer_Prob, ASK	12:53
kbrooks	goddammit.	12:53
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Ex-Cyber	hmm	12:54
Ex-Cyber	X still seems to get backed up sometimes	12:54
Ex-Cyber	but it is substantially faster	12:54
Printer_Prob	kbrooks: thanks. We're new to linux and using these two refs, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-23872-0-asc-12.html and http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/howto/CANON-I850-CUPS haven't been able to get it working... canon i550 printer	12:54
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Printer_Prob	kbrooks: ppd driver doesn't seem to really work or give access to all configs, think it's probably not working, any ideas/	12:55
Printer_Prob	?	12:55
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caleb_	any plans for an xorg-dev package in hoary?	12:58
Printer_Prob	any one can help with setting up a printer?	12:59
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SCube	Where are Hoary live CDs available for download?	01:00
kbrooks	SCube,	01:00
kbrooks	http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso	01:00
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SCube	kbrooks: thanks. downloading now.	01:01
mindphasr	How do I not let ubuntu dist-upgrade upgrade to kernel 2.6.10?	01:01
mindphasr	keep it at 2.6.9	01:01
Quest-Master	kbrooks: Would you happen to know how to reformat a memory stick and still have my digital camera be able to read it?	01:02
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kbrooks	Quest-Master, No.	01:02
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Quest-Master	:(	01:02
Quest-Master	Anyone else?	01:02
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keyshawn2	printer_prob: is there another printer model # besides that one ?	01:03
keyshawn2	on it ?	01:03
icerogue	hi all	01:03
SCube	Quest-Master: what filesystems have you tried?	01:03
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Quest-Master	SCube: That's the problem, I don't know how to format a memory stick	01:04
Quest-Master	:P	01:04
Printer_Prob	keyshawn2: all we can see is Canon i550 on the top, or where else would we look? It is also using the japanese canon linux drivers, there the printer is known as pixus	01:04
keyshawn2	on the back of it, is there a label ?	01:05
keyshawn2	try checking this page - http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Canon	01:05
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SCube	Quest-Master: It should be one of the mkfs.FSTYPE commands. Try mkfs.msdos /dev/DEVICE.	01:05
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vasi	i just added some RAM, does this mean i have to bump my swap partition?	01:06
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kbrooks	SCube, HOLD ON	01:06
Adrenal	anyone else hear, outlook is gonna now be a paid service?	01:06
thenuke	vasi: I think not.	01:06
vasi	since now real memory > space on swap	01:06
kbrooks	DON'T!	01:06
kbrooks	Quest-Master, ignore him.	01:06
thenuke	vasi: I have never understood that rule "have a swap 2x your RAM"	01:07
Quest-Master	kbrroks: Ok :\	01:07
Quest-Master	*brooks, ack	01:07
thenuke	like if I was to have 10gigs of ram, I should have then 20gigs of swap?	01:07
kbrooks	Quest-Master, you don't want to be messing with msdos.	01:07
thenuke	wtf..	01:07
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HrdwrBoB	vasi: no	01:07
thenuke	need for swap for sure must depend on what I am doing with my box :)	01:07
kbrooks	Quest-Master, look on your photo's manufacturer site	01:07
HrdwrBoB	thenuke: you are absolutely right	01:07
vasi	thenuke: i was under the impression that linux needed at least as much swap as RAM, hmm....where can i learn more?	01:07
Quest-Master	kbrooks: Might just try calling Sony and see what they say	01:07
kbrooks	vasi, no.	01:07
HrdwrBoB	vasi: use your own good judgement	01:08
SCube	kbrooks: It should be mkfs.msdos or mkfs.vfat, right?	01:08
HrdwrBoB	I've run machines entirely without swap for a long time	01:08
thenuke	HrdwrBoB: did you mean that part, "if I have 10gigs RAM, I should have 20gigs ram" :D	01:08
HrdwrBoB	generally handy to have swap	01:08
HrdwrBoB	but eh	01:08
HrdwrBoB	thenuke: no, the other bit	01:08
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kbrooks	SCube, well, you haven't gotten the full story.	01:08
HrdwrBoB	where you said it was garbage	01:08
scoon	vasi: the rule of thumb is 2*ram should be your swap size.	01:08
regeya	OK, here's my issue: I imported some captured video into Kino. I've encoded it using the mpeg2enc/mp2enc method. Audio is spot-on at the beginning, but after about an hour of video the audio is off by, say, 3 seconds(!) I've tried deinterlacing the video, same result, and I've tried different audio sampling rates, and I've even tried using the ffmpeg scripts inclded with Kino. I'm a bit confused. :-/	01:09
scoon	vasi, but that is just a "rule of thumb"	01:09
scoon	vasi, i have 1g of ram and keep 1g of swap	01:09
thenuke	vasi: sorry but I do not know where you could learn more about swapping, if I were you and I were interested on that matter, I would try googling with keywords, linux, swapping, swap, swapspace, and so on	01:09
kbrooks	scoon, please!	01:09
thenuke	and maybe "how does linux use swap" or something..	01:09
scoon	kbrooks, ?	01:09
vasi	is it possible to put swap in a file (or multiple files) on my root partition, like OS X does? so that way there's no hard limit....anyway, i've been googling it, it's hard to find good info, i'll keep trying	01:09
thenuke	vasi: it is possible, but I dont remember how you did that :D	01:10
kbrooks	scoon, too much is too much	01:10
thenuke	it must be very simple indeed	01:10
scoon	kbrooks, you are correct. try reading before attacking	01:10
thenuke	scoon: well, have you ever utilized that swap even a bit :)	01:10
scoon	kbrooks, i said "rule of thumb"	01:10
kbrooks	scoon, ok. fine then.	01:11
scoon	thenuke, nope. but w/ 160gigs	01:11
scoon	kbrooks, but i was just stating a rule of thumb	01:11
Printer_Prob	keyshawn2: we can't find any other info than i550, thanks for your link, though we can't see our printer there strangely...	01:11
scoon	i set up 1gig of swap and I have 1 gig of memory	01:11
thenuke	that rule of a thumb is not wise ;D	01:11
thenuke	atleast me thinks so	01:11
thenuke	if 99.5% of ppl have no reason following it :P	01:11
scoon	thenuke, what if you only have 256m of ram.	01:11
thenuke	we should correct that rule a bit	01:11
scoon	thenuke, learn what "rule of thumb" means	01:12
thenuke	scoon: I have 64megs, and run a modified X and a fluxbox and so on, and I think I have never needed any swap ;D	01:12
SCube	vasi: yes, thats possible. you use dd to create the swapfile, then mkswap on it, and finally swapon.	01:12
vasi	SCube, is it growable? or do i have to grow it manually?	01:12
scoon	thenuke, good for you.	01:12
vasi	thanks btw :-)	01:13
scoon	thenuke, is that your primary box ?	01:13
thenuke	no, I use that box for firefox and such	01:13
keyshawn2	printer: try here - http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=702	01:13
scoon	thenuke, what do you use it for. internet, email, or anything else ?	01:13
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icerogue	whats the package that pretty much gives you everything need to run make	01:13
thenuke	anyways, if I had 256megs of ram, I think about 256M of swap would be enough	01:13
keyshawn2	it says to use the bjc 800 driver instead.	01:13
thenuke	but to be sure I would have 512M of swap or more	01:13
SCube	vasi: It is not growable on the fly. You must select the file size when you create it.	01:13
scoon	thenuke, again, "rule of thumb" comes into play.	01:14
Printer_Prob	keyshawn2: thanks very much, that's the printer and we didn't know about that resource... we could try with that driver, thanks again	01:14
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vasi	tnx SCube	01:14
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scoon	thenuke, for you that may be the case. but for a person who could be "doing more" w/ their box, 2X ram may be better for them.	01:14
Quest-Master	haha	01:14
daniels	sigh	01:14
thenuke	that rule of thumb should state something like, "if you have 64M of ram, have 4x swap, if you have .. .. 256M, have 2x swap"	01:14
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HrdwrBoB	the rule of thumb is 'have some swap'	01:15
scoon	thenuke, NO. don't get caught up in an EXACT amount. interpret "rule of thumb" as a suggestion	01:15
icerogue	the system i am working on now has 32mb and a 166 mhz proccessor	01:15
thenuke	anyways, if someone asks me how much they should have swap, I would feel stupid just saying, 2x ram, without asking how much ram do they actually have	01:15
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HrdwrBoB	given that ram costs $SFA	01:15
jimbo	what sound card should I get for ubuntu?	01:15
HrdwrBoB	just buy some more	01:15
scoon	thenuke, i didn't say that.	01:15
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SCube	jimbo: check the alsa-project.org webpage for supported cards.	01:16
keyshawn2	uhh..is that lamer going to get banned ?!	01:16
Quest-Master	jimbo: Most Creative cards work really well. I am on a Soundblaster Live LS	01:16
jimbo	SCube: ty	01:16
Quest-Master	jimbo: It was only $29.99 too	01:16
abysmal	does supported mean all features are supported and driven though	01:16
jimbo	I have a sound blaster live 24 bit , but no sound	01:17
neighborlee	in not so sure upgrading to hoary on my 'main' OS is smart...so how do I get past this error where nvidia installer says i've got the wrong kernel source..indeed ubuntu came with : 2.6.8.1-2-i386 yet the linux-source pacakge is : 2.6.8.1 ;(.. ??	01:17
SCube	Does anyone know why my CD-ROM and CD-RW are not automounted anymore? I have gnome-volume-manager set up to automount.	01:17
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jimbo	I'm new and maybe I have no idea what to do.. lol	01:17
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abysmal	im guessing imac g5s are out of the question for linux, i really wanted to try this	01:19
vasi	oh cool, there are dynamic swap managers available	01:19
Quest-Master	abysmal: Why?	01:19
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vasi	abysmal: http://macslash.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/12/2146223&mode=thread	01:19
abysmal	yeah but I have no idea how to use those patches	01:20
abysmal	patch the iso?	01:20
SCube	jimbo: try `lsmod \| grep snd'. Your driver should be snd_emu10k1 I believe.	01:21
jimbo	Scube: ty	01:22
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HaRDaWaY	hello	01:22
vasi	nope abysmal, i bet they're kernel patches	01:22
vasi	gentoo has a page up re: imac g5 http://dev.gentoo.org/~tgall/	01:22
HaRDaWaY	i have one question, i have ubuntu hoary with xorg, 6.8.1, i want to use fglrx drivers of ati, i have to install it with apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx ?	01:23
daniels	HaRDaWaY: yes	01:23
HaRDaWaY	only with this?	01:23
neighborlee	is there by chance a hoary iso to download and install over warty with or must I just synaptic all of it ;(	01:23
HaRDaWaY	or..i have to change driver, to "fglrx" in the xorg.conf or anything ?	01:24
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MFen	anyone know how to get vnc at boot, complete with a gdm login window?	01:24
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linuxn00b	hey guys I need to copy a folder from my computer at home...but i'm not sure how. I can ssh into it but I can't transfer anything :s and I really need these file	01:26
optyk	linuxn00b: scp	01:27
linuxn00b	but I need to retrive them not send...i thought scp can only send.	01:28
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vasi	i think you can retrieve with 'scp user@machine:/remote/path /local/path'	01:28
optyk	yup	01:29
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optyk	or you can use sftp	01:29
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Scognito	hi all	01:30
linuxn00b	optyk, nothing is happening	01:30
linuxn00b	I think it's because of the router here	01:30
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HaRDaWaY	how install ati fglrx drivers in my ubuntu hoary with xorg 6.8.1 ?	01:30
Scognito	[hoary] gnome-cd doesn't fetch automatically the track information from internet, any hint?	01:30
Scognito	only sound juicer download them	01:30
jdub	Scognito: works here	01:32
Scognito	jdub, hoary?	01:32
jdub	yeah	01:33
vasi	thanks for your help everyone!	01:33
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Scognito	damn!	01:33
jdub	run cddb-slave2-properties	01:33
Scooter	will it slow down my Ubuntu if I install KDE? there are a few programs i want to use once in a blue moon for KDE... TIA :)	01:33
jdub	see if it's misconfigured	01:33
Scognito	so it is my problem...	01:33
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jdub	Scognito: putting software on the disk won't slow your system down	01:33
HaRDaWaY	ccc	01:33
Scognito	i have: 1) don't send information, and 2) Server roundrobin FreeDB	01:34
jdub	Scooter: and you can install them individually	01:34
jdub	Scognito: sounds about right	01:34
Scooter	Oo cool	01:34
Scooter	Thanks again Jdub you Rock :D	01:34
Scognito	jdub, in works with sound juicer	01:34
Scognito	do you have hoary up to date?	01:34
jdub	Scognito: do you need a proxy? have you set your gnome proxy?	01:34
jdub	yes	01:34
Scognito	never used proxy in my life :)	01:35
Scognito	and it worked, don't know when this problem started	01:35
linuxn00b	crap, when I try to scp I keep getting "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).	01:36
linuxn00b	" I know i'm putitng in the right password	01:36
SCube	linuxn00b: if you have a recent lftp, you can connect to a ssh server as a ftp site.	01:37
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linuxn00b	SCube, ok i;ll try that	01:37
caleb_	jdub: you have any insider info on getting an xorg-dev package in hoary?	01:41
jdub	caleb_: daniels can answer :)	01:42
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caleb_	daniels: ping	01:43
linuxn00b	LMFAO!!!!!!!! i've been entering the wrong IP hahahhaha	01:43
gen	that's not too funny	01:43
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Scognito	jdub, have you tried goobox?	01:44
odyssey	thats just dumb	01:44
Quest-Master	daniels: What should I do if I am interested in being a software developer for Ubuntu?	01:44
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jdub	Quest-Master: see the new maintainer pages on the wiki	01:45
jdub	Scognito: yes, but s-j is better. :)	01:45
Quest-Master	Is that for software developers as well?	01:45
daniels	caleb_: pong	01:45
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caleb_	daniels: any news on a xorg-dev package?	01:46
Scognito	jdub, i love the cover to be displayed eh eh	01:46
daniels	caleb_: uh?	01:46
Scognito	btw goobox doesn't show artist information too.. :(	01:46
jdub	Quest-Master: soon we will have a distinction between committers and maintainers, but we don't for the moment.	01:46
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daniels	caleb_: general development headers for client-side libraries, or building drivers out-of-tree?	01:46
jdub	Scognito: perhaps freedb is having problems, s-j uses musicbrainz	01:47
caleb_	daniels: client side libs	01:47
daniels	caleb_: ... they're all there ...	01:47
daniels	caleb_: which library do you want?	01:47
Scognito	jdub, good	01:47
Scognito	so maybe it is a freedb problem	01:47
Scognito	but...	01:47
Scognito	you told me it is working on you... :(	01:48
caleb_	daniels: I'm needing a package that includes X11/Intrinsic.h	01:48
caleb_	well, provides rather	01:48
daniels	caleb_: that would be libxt-dev	01:48
Scognito	daniels, are you muine maint?	01:48
daniels	Scognito: no	01:48
Scognito	sorry, packager i mean	01:48
jdub	Scognito: sounded like it was intermittent for you	01:48
daniels	Scognito: i'm neither	01:48
Scognito	daniels, eh eh ok sorry...little mistake	01:49
Scognito	jdub, if sj doesn't use cddb2 then cddb is fucked	01:49
caleb_	daniels: ahhhhh thanks! sorry for the confusion. The RH package was named xorg-x11-devel	01:49
daniels	caleb_: yeah, we have it split up into one for each library, more or less	01:49
caleb_	daniels: thats cool. thanks again.	01:50
daniels	np	01:51
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borgista	~O)	02:04
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chapter3	hello all	02:06
chapter3	is there any way to use 2.6.9 in warty?	02:06
borgista	i'm sure you could just recompile the kernel yourself.	02:07
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borgista	as far as i know.	02:07
HaRDaWaY	i use kernel 2.6.10-3 in hoary, and..i need to install ati drivers for xorg 6.8.1	02:07
Yannick_	anyone made totem read dvd movies?	02:07
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HaRDaWaY	:S	02:07
borgista	Now, my problem: I can't play CDs. This is pretty dumb, I know. I've been able to make my PC play CDs with other distros. But this time, no dice.	02:07
chapter3	ok, also, is there a way to "revert" back to warty after an upgrade to horay?	02:08
gusto	how do you upgrade to horay?	02:09
jdub	chapter3: not sanely, no	02:09
jdub	gusto: see the hoary upgrade guide on the wiki	02:09
HaRDaWaY	there are some howto to install ati drivers with xorg 6.8.1 ?	02:10
gusto	jdub: thanks	02:10
jdub	HaRDaWaY: they're in hoary already	02:10
HaRDaWaY	jdub, but...then i only have to make: apt-get install fglrx-drivers ?	02:10
HaRDaWaY	or, xorg-fglrx-drivers	02:10
daniels	sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx	02:10
HaRDaWaY	aha, and....anything more?	02:10
caleb_	are there plans for NetworkManager in ubuntu?	02:10
HaRDaWaY	i dont have to change ati to fglrx in xorg.conf ?	02:11
jdub	caleb_: possibly next release	02:11
HaRDaWaY	or run fglrxconfig	02:11
chapter3	i'm having bad video performance, and i wanted to upgrade to horay to see if it fixed it	02:11
icerogue	what is a good low resorce mp3 player for linux?	02:11
daniels	HaRDaWaY: change ati to fglrx in xorg.conf	02:11
HaRDaWaY	ok thanks	02:11
lexhider	icerogue: xmms	02:11
icerogue	tnx	02:11
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icerogue	thanks	02:11
chapter3	anybody else had slow redraw in gnome with ubuntu?	02:12
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HaRDaWaY	hello	02:24
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HaRDaWaY	daniels, not runs, i have installed ati drivers, but...when i make: modprobe fglrx: "module not found"	02:25
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daniels	HaRDaWaY: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)	02:29
HaRDaWaY	ok thx	02:32
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drspin	how do I launch it?	02:40
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brittBS	is anyone having problems with dist-upgrading to latest hoary? I am getting problems with libgtksourceview	02:41
brittBS	is this a known issue right now?	02:41
Kokey	Hi! I've upgrade to Hoary, and now can't run gnome, runs gdm, but not gnome	02:42
cafuego	Mine updated fine 2 hours ago.	02:42
randabis-laptop	maybe the upate didn't finish	02:42
neighborlee	why is the provided linuxsource package 2.6.8 not the same as the default kernel that comes with ubuntu ?.ie: downloadable source package says its 2.6.8.1-2-i386 where uname -r shows 2.6.8.1...ie: my nvidia driver wont compile against it ;( ?????	02:43
brittBS	cafuego, odd ... it's saying libgtksourceview-common's /usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs/nemerle.lang is conflicting with the libgtksourceview-cil package	02:43
randabis-laptop	why are you compiling the nvidia driver?	02:43
neighborlee	only way around it I guess is to upgrade to hoary to get new nvidia but gez that'll take 3 hours at the rate its downloading at!! lol	02:43
Kokey	in my case, don't finish, then I run apt-get -f install and then dist-upgrade again	02:43
Kokey	and finish well	02:44
neighborlee	randabis-laptop, because the nvidia driver that comes with ubuntu is 6111..I need to try the latest one because of some sluggish behavior im seeing	02:44
brittBS	is doing this on both my notebook and desktop	02:44
randabis-laptop	ah	02:45
randabis-laptop	you could try grabbing the one from hoary, but I don't know about that	02:45
cafuego	brittBS: lemme see if it have that installed at all.	02:45
randabis-laptop	but if you must compile the driver, you don't need the kernel source	02:46
randabis-laptop	you need the kernel headers	02:46
cafuego	brittBS: yeah, I don't have libgtksourceview-cil installed.	02:46
brittBS	cafuego, hrm ... but you have libgtksourceview-common?	02:46
neighborlee	randabis-laptop, worth a shot	02:46
cafuego	brittBS: yep	02:47
randabis-laptop	you'll have to specify the path to the headers	02:47
cafuego	brittBS: Check which app wanted the -cil version on your box	02:47
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Xenguy	gusto: because altho Ubuntu is OT in this #, freebsd apparently is not :p	02:48
Xenguy	gah - ww	02:48
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brittBS	cafuego: -cil is mono stuff ... so I'll just remove mono from my desktop for now ... not critical.	02:48
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kbrooks	hmmm. i need to loop over characters ub a String	02:49
drspin	well it's almost useable...	02:49
drspin	I may use it just for file management :)	02:49
kbrooks	in*	02:49
kbrooks	oops	02:49
kbrooks	wrong chan	02:50
moyote	Could someone remind me how to get xterm back. Every time I open xterm it closes. I know there is a way to correct this, but I can't remember. Thank you.	02:50
brittBS	i can't do an apt-get remove right now because it is saying i have to do an apt-get -f ... but I don't want to fix things, I'm just going to remove the problem.	02:51
brittBS	how can I bypass this?	02:51
cafuego	brittBS: You can always force the install (dpkg --force-overwrite -i foo.deb)	02:51
brittBS	cafuego, more specifically i want to force no checking in apt-get ... i didn't see it in the man	02:52
cafuego	brittBS: If apt-get downloaded it, it's fine. it's just a file wanting to overwrite.	02:53
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kleper	i new whit ubuntu	02:57
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kleper	i need now the password of root when i intall the net system?	02:57
randabis-laptop	ubuntu doesn't use the root account	02:58
Adrenal	u can make one however	02:58
randabis-laptop	unless you enable it after the install	02:58
Adrenal	try running the command through sudo	02:58
kokey	please somebody can help me with my gnome in hoary	02:58
Adrenal	kokey:what up?	02:58
kokey	don't enter to gnome	02:59
Adrenal	eh?	02:59
kokey	gdm runs well	02:59
randabis-laptop	he broke his gnome when he upgraded to hoary	02:59
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kokey	yes that's it	02:59
kokey	sorry about my poor english ;)	03:00
Adrenal	no problem	03:00
Adrenal	hmm, damn	03:00
Adrenal	seriously, i have no idea?	03:00
randabis-laptop	yeah I don't know what to do either	03:00
Adrenal	dl and install an older version of gnome	03:00
Adrenal	?	03:00
randabis-laptop	you could try to remove gnome and reinstall it possibly	03:00
Adrenal	or try xfce	03:00
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kokey	Adrenal that's good, I'll try xfce by now	03:01
Adrenal	grand, then try reinstalling gnome through that	03:01
kokey	ok	03:01
randabis-laptop	do you get any errors when you try to run gnome?	03:02
randabis-laptop	have you tried running a gnome failsafe session?	03:02
kokey	randabis-laptop no errors, and can't use failsafe	03:03
randabis-laptop	so what happens?	03:03
kokey	sorry, got to go, I'm in the office, BRB, Thanks!!!!	03:05
randabis-laptop	lol	03:05
Adrenal	bitch x ay?	03:06
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Adrenal	nah, i prefer xchat	03:07
Adrenal	hmm, when i try to use tor and privoxify through firefox, or, anything, it always just completely stops it from connecting	03:08
Adrenal	anyone wanna hazard a guess as to why?	03:08
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randabis-laptop	I likes my xchat too	03:10
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swim	hay folks, need some help, booted up, ran startx and gnome started but Im getting blank background as well as blank background... what I did before rebooting was, I did chmod -x /etc/something/gdm and added nvidia to /etc/modules ... thats all	03:22
bennyp	Hello! Where can I find a complete list of packages in ubuntu universe?	03:22
bennyp	swim - can you check your logs to see if the module was loaded properly?	03:23
bennyp	also, the problem might be in gdm, check the gdm logs	03:23
swim	bennyp, nvidia module? I saw the splash...	03:23
bennyp	hmmm.... so it's probably gdm	03:24
bennyp	is anyone on the forum exporiencing the same problem?	03:24
swim	where is the gdm log?	03:24
jdub	bennyp: the packages.gz in the archive :)	03:24
jdub	swim: /var/log/gdm/	03:24
swim	havent had a chance to check yet bennyp	03:24
swim	thx jdub	03:24
bennyp	jdub: i'm not near an ubuntu pc right now, is there a list on the web?	03:24
jdub	bennyp: yeah, the Packages.gz in the archive -> archive.ubuntu.com	03:24
bennyp	oh sweet hehe thanks	03:24
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bennyp	ubuntu has great community. I'm using gentoo right now to make music... i want to see how many sound apps ubuntu has	03:25
blaze	Hey all	03:25
bennyp	hello	03:25
jdub	bennyp: if it's in debian, it's in universe	03:26
swim	hrmm I dont see anything in particular in the /var/log/gdm, so I guess Ill do a chmod +x /etc/something/gdm (where is that btw?) and reboot and see if that was the issue	03:26
bennyp	great thanks	03:26
bennyp	chmod +x makes a file executable	03:26
swim	yah I know :)	03:27
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swim	I asked Where is that, not What is that	03:27
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mebaran	Anybody know how to activate the templates in gnome	03:28
mebaran	so I could just right click to make a new document anywhere on the desktop	03:29
jdub	mebaran: mkdir ~/Templates	03:29
jdub	mebaran: throw some files in there	03:29
mebaran	ok cool	03:29
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bennyp	swim: locate gdm	03:29
mebaran	just any blank files	03:29
jdub	mebaran: yep	03:29
jdub	mebaran: or non-blank ;)	03:29
mebaran	haha	03:29
mebaran	ah	03:29
mebaran	now I see	03:29
mebaran	thanks jdub!	03:29
mebaran	also	03:29
mebaran	is anyone experience any major evolution problems in that it wont start, or let me edit preferences anymore	03:30
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bennyp	Well the Hydrogen package is up to date, but ZynAddSubFX is behind. How can I find out who maintains a particular package?	03:30
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Scognito	hi all	03:32
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mebaran	jdub: does gnome need a reboot after I do that	03:32
mebaran	must I restart X	03:32
Scognito	can someone play midi files on ubuntu? I don't know how to play them	03:32
mebaran	etc	03:32
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mebaran	Scognito: do you know what kind of snd card you have	03:33
jdub	mebaran: killall nautilus :)	03:33
mebaran	ok	03:33
Scognito	mebaran, sb128	03:33
swim	yup it was the gdm thing, but thats lame I dont like using gdm, or starting it at boot... there has to be a way I can disable that and still be able to use gnome ... anyone?	03:33
jdub	mebaran: once the templates dir is there, it will automagically update the menu of templates	03:33
mebaran	ah Scognito: you need to load a sound font	03:33
jdub	mebaran: but it won't detect if it's created	03:33
Scognito	0000:00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 0a)	03:33
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scoon	swim, take a look at update-rc.d	03:33
bennyp	What MIDI player are you using?	03:33
mebaran	oh jdub: sexy	03:34
Scognito	bennyp, i tried kmid	03:34
mebaran	that is actually the most logical setup I could think of	03:34
mebaran	it should be better documented	03:34
bennyp	have you checked the logs from kmid?	03:34
Scognito	bennyp, it doesn't start	03:35
Scognito	i need some apply easy to use	03:35
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bennyp	try starting kmid from terminal	03:35
bennyp	see what the error message is	03:35
Scognito	bennyp, it hangs on some kde errors...btw i don't want to use kde apps	03:36
bennyp	ok	03:36
bennyp	try playmidi	03:36
Scognito	trying playmidi	03:36
Scognito	:)	03:36
bennyp	there are many many midi players to try	03:36
Scognito	bennyp, do you have midi working?	03:36
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swim	is there a wav file editor for gnome?	03:36
bennyp	audacity	03:36
swim	thought that was qt?	03:37
Scognito	open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory	03:37
bennyp	scognito: i'm not even using ubuntu right now, i'm using gentoo (gasp!!)	03:37
bennyp	hmmm	03:37
Scognito	trying to load snd-seq	03:37
bennyp	thats a problem	03:37
bennyp	what is your sound card?	03:37
Scognito	sound blaster 128	03:37
Scognito	btw i did modprobe snd-seq	03:37
swim	is ubuntu unlike some other debian based distros where its perfectly safe to use debian pkgs? is it really better to use only ubuntu packages?	03:38
Scognito	and i got no prompt...it is hanged	03:38
bennyp	hmm	03:38
bennyp	it could be the kernel module	03:38
dafox7	i know it must have been talked about before, but can anybody point me out why xmms isn't working ?	03:38
Cinder	what do you mean by not working ?	03:38
Scognito	bennyp, syslog tells me it tries to create some devs:	03:38
Scognito	Jan 21 03:37:33 Doolittle udev[8988] : creating device node '/dev/sequencer'	03:39
Scognito	Jan 21 03:37:33 Doolittle udev[8997] : creating device node '/dev/sequencer2'	03:39
Scognito	these are the last 2 lines	03:39
jdub	swim: stick to ubuntu packages, you should find everything you need in universe	03:39
dafox7	Cinder, i just apt-get install xmms, and i get an error	03:39
swim	jdub, ok will do	03:39
dafox7	Cinder, well I get the error when I load xmms	03:39
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bennyp	I am doing a clusty search right now for you.. have you searched the forums?	03:40
swim	jdub, ah another ubuntu question, I just came from archlinux where updating is easy and quick and should be done once a week at least because things come out for it so fast... should one update ubuntu every now and then like that? if so whats the safest way to do so (btw Im using hoary)	03:40
Scognito	i'm googling	03:41
bennyp	what is in /etc/modules.conf	03:41
Cinder	back	03:41
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bennyp	there should be lines like	03:42
bennyp	alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss	03:42
mindphasr	swim: apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade .. i do it daily.	03:42
swim	mindphasr, cool thanks	03:42
swim	one more question :) is it safe to install kde apps, like amarok ... ?	03:43
Scognito	bennyp, yes i have that line	03:43
Scognito	i killed modprobe	03:43
DonL	got my 10 free copies of Ubuntu yesterday. Can't believe how popular they were around the office today	03:43
heliolith	dafox7 do you have a nvidia card, and if so could that be your xmms problem?	03:43
Scognito	and the modules seems to be loaded	03:43
dafox7	heliolith, I do habe an nvidia card	03:43
dafox7	heliolith, I do have an nvidia card	03:43
heliolith	dafox7 'cause I do, and had to install additional lib	03:43
heliolith	dafox7 sec	03:44
Scognito	hem sorry my sc is a sound blaster live 5.1	03:44
bennyp	ok	03:44
dafox7	I can't get to work my nvidia drivers as well :-(	03:44
bennyp	do you have a file called /etc/modules.d/alsa?	03:44
heliolith	dafox7: sudo apt-get install libmikmod	03:44
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Scognito	bennyp, no	03:44
Scognito	but alsa works	03:45
swim	crimsun, are you about?	03:45
bennyp	do you have awesfx installed?	03:45
Scognito	no	03:45
jdub	swim: if you're using hoary, it's up to you	03:45
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Scognito	going to install it	03:45
bennyp	you may need that to use the onboard midi synth on your sblive	03:45
jdub	swim: you'll only find and fix the good bugs if you're keeping up :)	03:46
Scognito	ok installed	03:46
dafox7	heliolith, how can i load the nvidia module in ubuntu ?	03:46
heliolith	dafox7 I followed the instructions here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713 and it worked for me	03:46
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heliolith	dafox7 but I'm a complete newb... just trying to help	03:46
thundrcleeze	should I use synaptic to install the nvidia or should I get a more recent one from the nvidia site?	03:46
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bennyp	does it work now?	03:47
swim	one other important question: the new nvidia drivers do not work for me (6229) so I had to downgrade nvidia packages/ kernel ... so how can I put those on hold so that when I do a apt-get dist-upgrade it does not mess with those?	03:48
CLucas916	i think im losing my mind. i can find all of the xmms plugins but i cant find xmms	03:48
bennyp	also, try the aplaymidi command	03:48
Scognito	bennyp, i didn't used awesfx	03:48
thundrcleeze	swim, force version	03:48
bennyp	you may need to have awesfx installed	03:48
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thundrcleeze	swim, it's under package, lock version	03:48
Scognito	bennyp, i've just installed it	03:48
Scognito	aplaymidi wants a port (?)	03:49
bennyp	hmmm	03:49
swim	thundrcleeze, under package?	03:49
CLucas916	i think im losing my mind. i can find all of the xmms plugins but i cant find xmms	03:49
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Scognito	is it so hard to play midi on linux???	03:49
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thundrcleeze	swim, sorry I was thinking of synaptic. You could use that if you wanted.	03:49
superkitty	hi all	03:49
bennyp	no, but i've never done it before =)	03:49
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bennyp	so it will be hard untill we find the answer together	03:50
heliolith	Clucas916: did you try sudo apt-get install xmms ?	03:50
thundrcleeze	swim, otherwise there should be a command option, let me see if I can find it.	03:50
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Scognito	eh eh	03:50
bennyp	perhaps you need to reload alsa after installing awesfx	03:50
mebaran	Scognito: you need to dll asfxload	03:50
CLucas916	heliolith, ya and i did apt-cache and its not there	03:50
swim	thundrcleeze, hmm I think I would preffer command line on this	03:50
superkitty	does Real PLayer play midis?	03:50
mebaran	awesfx	03:50
mebaran	no	03:50
mebaran	try playmidi	03:50
Scognito	playmidi: No playback device found.	03:50
thundrcleeze	swim, okay, let me look. Also, how did you get rid of the xserver to install the nvidia driver?	03:51
heliolith	Clucas916: and did you reboot gnome? (not sure that's necessary but would be my next guess)	03:51
bennyp	it is because /dev/sequencer has not appeared	03:51
CLucas916	that has nothing to do with it	03:51
bennyp	try reloading alsa modules and snd-seq	03:51
Scognito	bennyp, i have it	03:51
bennyp	on gentoo i type /etc/init.d/alsasound restart	03:51
Scognito	something similiar is on debian	03:52
bennyp	maybe there is an equivalent in ubuntu	03:52
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Scognito	ok	03:52
swim	thundrcleeze, mmm oh at the time xserver wasnt able to start because I changed xorg.conf to hav nvidia instead of nv and since I didnt have anything installed it couldnt find nvidia module	03:52
Scognito	reloaded	03:52
thundrcleeze	swim, oh, so you didn't install the driver?	03:53
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swim	thundrcleeze, I did after that yes	03:53
bennyp	do you have the same error still, Scognito?	03:54
Scognito	yes	03:54
Scognito	btw i tried kmid from root	03:54
thundrcleeze	swim, how did you go about that? Did you apt-get it or did you get it from the nvidia site like me?	03:54
Scognito	it starts, and "play" the file, but i got no sound	03:54
bennyp	hmm	03:54
Scognito	the progressbar is moving	03:54
swim	thundrcleeze, apt-got it	03:54
bennyp	you said the error was permission denied for /dev/sequencer, correct?	03:54
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swim	thundrcleeze, from warty repository	03:55
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Scognito	bennyp, the permission are not a great problem	03:55
Scognito	the problem for now is get sound... :)	03:55
bennyp	but if root owns /dev/sequencer and no other users can use it...	03:56
swim	does anyone know the command to lock version of certain packages so that when you run apt-get dist-upgrade those packages are not touched?	03:56
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jdub	swim: echo <packagename> hold \| dpkg --set-selections	03:56
Scognito	bennyp, for now i want to test by root, so i'm sure it is not a permission problem	03:56
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thundrcleeze	sorry I couldn't find it swim	03:56
swim	thats cool thundrcleeze thx	03:57
Scognito	with kmid i can select several devices	03:57
dafox7	what can i use to test if my 3d acceleration work ?	03:57
freedomla	hi, i'm trying to install linux on my powerpc, but i am having trouble booting from the cd	03:57
Scognito	emu10k1 wavetable port [0...3] ALSA	03:57
jdub	dafox7: glxinfo	03:57
thundrcleeze	what packages would I get to install the nvidia driver?	03:58
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Scognito	and emu10k1 mpu401 (UART) rawmidi 0	03:58
bennyp	try them all	03:58
swim	jdub, cool thank you... btw to keep the same nvidia driver packages I have now, Ill need to hold nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common kernel-image and what else?	03:58
Scognito	wavetable0 is selected for now	03:58
graymalkin	greets	03:58
Scognito	trying others	03:58
rellik	I'm working on nvidia now... nvidia-glx-* worked for me	03:58
graymalkin	got a ? about forwarding x11 or vnc on unbuntu	03:59
graymalkin	anyone got an answer?	03:59
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tottinge	depends on the question ....?	04:00
graymalkin	...tryin to get rid of all these damn monitors :/	04:00
Cinder	whats wrong with Ubuntu	04:00
Cinder	why does my clock take like 33.2mb of my memory	04:01
bennyp	do you have these lines in etc/modules.conf?	04:01
bennyp	alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss	04:01
bennyp	alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss	04:01
bennyp	alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss	04:01
bennyp	alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss	04:01
bennyp	alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss	04:01
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bennyp	sorry bout spam	04:01
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_\|Imanewbie\|_	can anyone please help me with 4 lines of shell script?	04:01
graymalkin	figured out how to install ssh d but, i'm a newbie with this	04:01
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Scognito	bennyp, yes	04:01
Scognito	maybe now it is a problem of mixer?	04:02
hams	can i run the live cd off an amd athlon machine?	04:02
Scognito	i only get no sound but the progressbar is moving	04:02
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bennyp	it could be muted	04:02
Scognito	bennyp, do you know what is the midi mixer?	04:03
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bennyp	Scognito check this page http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8736&highlight=%2Fdev%2Fsequencer	04:03
mebaran	Evolution contact importation is not working for me	04:03
tottinge	graymalkin: I always use cygwin Xwin.exe -query whateverhost --- didn't know you could through putty.	04:04
mebaran	it crashes when ever I try to add a contact or insert a vcard or change a preference	04:04
mebaran	do I report the bug to ximian or to the ubuntu bugzilla	04:04
heliolith	anyone: can anyone make sense of the error: "There was an error initializing the audio i/o layer. You will not be able to play or record audio. Error: Host error. after installing Audacity?	04:04
thundrcleeze	brb	04:04
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CLucas916	can anyone think of a reason why xmms isnt in apt-cache but all the xmms plugins are?	04:05
hams	is it possible to run the x86 LiveCD from a amd64 machine?	04:05
mebaran	hams: I did	04:05
mebaran	the amd64 install is sweet	04:05
mebaran	no chroot	04:05
mebaran	just hacked openoffice	04:05
jdub	hams: but of course :)	04:05
_\|Imanewbie\|_	can anyone please help me with 4 lines of shell script?	04:06
jdub	hams: plus, you could test our new amd64 livecds for the devel branch	04:06
caleb_	_\|Imanewbie\|_: try #bash	04:06
Scognito	bennyp, ok	04:06
bennyp	i hope you find what you were looking for?	04:06
hams	jdub, willing to try it now if you got a place to download it	04:06
_\|Imanewbie\|_	caleb_: thanks!	04:06
bennyp	let me know if it works	04:06
jdub	hams: cdimage.ubuntu.com	04:06
swim	jdub, cool thank you... btw to keep the same nvidia driver packages I have now, Ill need to hold nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common kernel-image and what else?	04:07
hams	jdub: under what dir	04:07
bennyp	Scognito, you did modprobe snd-seq-oss?	04:08
jdub	hams: hoary	04:08
jdub	hams: just click daily-live and follow	04:09
kbrooks	CLucas916, i know why.	04:09
CLucas916	kbrooks, why	04:09
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Scognito	it is modprobed	04:09
hams	jdub, current?	04:10
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swim	jdub? do you know?	04:10
jdub	hams: yes	04:10
kbrooks	CLucas916, ubuntu does not ship with m[\ players	04:10
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kbrooks	mp3	04:11
jdub	swim: kernel and nvidia stuff, yes	04:11
kbrooks	but	04:11
hams	ok i'll be back in a couple hours with the results.	04:11
swim	jdub and restricted modules or something?	04:11
CLucas916	kbrooks, i know but i added mirrors and did apt-get update and it didnt come up	04:11
bennyp	Scognito: this page has usefull info http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?module=emu10k1	04:11
jdub	swim: try and see, just watch your upgrades	04:11
kbrooks	usually enabling the universe repository will help	04:11
swim	jdub, do you know what the name of that package Im thinking about is? restricted miodules or something?	04:12
Scognito	bennyp, i'm downloading the sound fonts...it's 10mb and i'm waiting for proceed...	04:12
kbrooks	kbrooks, did you enable the universe repoistory?	04:12
Scognito	thnx in advance	04:12
jdub	swim: apt-cache search restricted modules, you'll be able to find it yourself :)	04:12
bennyp	ok. while you wait, read the page on the alsa site, it is very informative	04:12
otter	hi	04:12
bennyp	no problem, i love helping	04:12
otter	i'm connecting here with ubuntu	04:13
graymalkin	w00t	04:13
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bennyp	especially the section for debian (and thus ubuntu) users	04:13
otter	livecd ran without a hitch	04:13
thundrcleeze	Why is my refresh rate locked at 60hz when I can get 85 in windows for the same resolution?	04:13
BROKEN_LADDER	jdub: what is "hal" short for? i can't find pertinent info on google. i'm trying to understand how it works, so i can see whether there's a way to make it work apart from gvm, more like autofs.	04:13
otter	thanks for ubuntu	04:13
otter	is there documentation on running windows apps, like with wine, or?	04:14
kbrooks	otter, no one here sells ubuntu cds	04:14
otter	i'm not asking for cds	04:14
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: hardware abstraction layer, but that's a misnomer.	04:14
otter	i have it running	04:14
thenuke	otter: you're welcome, that's 9,99$ anything else for you?	04:14
kbrooks	and by no one i mean absolutely no one	04:14
BROKEN_LADDER	thanks jdub	04:14
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: it is optimally used by g-v-m	04:14
kbrooks	on the dot	04:15
BROKEN_LADDER	but gvm seems like a weird hack.	04:15
jdub	it is not	04:15
jdub	again, please start asking questions before making claims	04:15
otter	i'd like to not go back to windows, so i'm looking for ways to run apps	04:15
BROKEN_LADDER	it seems to be intimately tied to gui.	04:15
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jdub	g-v-m provides user-defined policy	04:15
jdub	it is not	04:15
magnon	otter: maybe you should try looking for replacements? what kind of apps?	04:15
jdub	the daemon is not at all 'tied to gui'	04:16
BROKEN_LADDER	it seems to have problems when more than one x server is using it.	04:16
magnon	BROKEN_LADDER: jeff says, ask questions before making claims, that's just plain wrong	04:16
jdub	it is configured by a gui	04:16
BROKEN_LADDER	magnon: i didn't make a claim.	04:16
Scognito	bennyp, i hope it is a sound font problem	04:16
otter	there is one specialty app for a photo lens	04:16
Scognito	but the download is slow...	04:16
BROKEN_LADDER	the g in gvm is "gnome" no?	04:16
magnon	an app for a photo _lens_?	04:16
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: yes, there are concurrency issues, it's currently designed for use on single-user machines	04:16
BROKEN_LADDER	so gvm works fine even if i'm not running x?	04:16
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: yes	04:16
otter	remotereality.com	04:16
bennyp	it wouldnt be soundfonts, you want the hardware synth (sblive wavetable) to render the sound	04:16
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: yes	04:16
CLucas916	can anyone think of a reason why xmms isnt in apt-cache but all the xmms plugins are?	04:16
BROKEN_LADDER	okay.	04:16
otter	it's a panoramic lens	04:16
magnon	otter: Ah.	04:17
kbrooks	CLucas916, damn it!	04:17
otter	can ubuntu run wine?	04:17
kbrooks	at least rtfm	04:17
BROKEN_LADDER	i guess the concurrency issue isn't really it's fault though, since having to start extra x servers to have more than one user switch between x sessions is a bit of a terrible hack.	04:17
magnon	otter: yeah, it can	04:17
bennyp	copy the sound parts from /etc/modules.conf into /etc/modutils/alsa and run update-modules	04:17
CLucas916	kbrooks, dude. thats not it	04:17
otter	is wine the best option?	04:17
kbrooks	read the ubuntu guide, CLucas916	04:17
FLeiXiuS	otter, there is cedega, and wine-x	04:18
thundrcleeze	but they both cost money, right?	04:18
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: ... that's not the reason why there are concurrency problems, and no, multiple X servers for separate sessions is also not a terrible hack	04:18
FLeiXiuS	otter, and also crossover	04:18
magnon	otter: send the company an email and ask them for a linux version ;)	04:18
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: again, ask questions before making claims	04:18
BROKEN_LADDER	it's quite a terrible hack.	04:18
BROKEN_LADDER	it's a hack, pure and simple.	04:18
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CLucas916	omg. u think its because its not on the ubuntu cd that its not on another ubuntu mirror?	04:18
jdub	it may not be what you are used to, but it is not a hack	04:18
kbrooks	BROKEN_LADDER, STOOP!	04:18
BROKEN_LADDER	it's a total hack. it's unnecessary and poor design.	04:18
FLeiXiuS	BROKEN_LADDER, what is?	04:18
kbrooks	STOP	04:18
magnon	BROKEN_LADDER: why are you insulting?	04:19
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otter	thanks	04:19
kbrooks	BROKEN_LADDER, no. it is not	04:19
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kbrooks	magnon, he is not	04:19
thundrcleeze	Anyone know why my refresh rate is locked at 60hz when I can get 85 in windows for the same resolution?	04:19
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: you're not backing up your claims particularly well, and given past comments from you, i'm assuming you're misinformed again.	04:19
BROKEN_LADDER	if i'm logging into gdm, gnome should just present my gnome session to me on that same x server, and display the gdm again if i go to screen saver, or want to switch users.	04:19
magnon	he is, it's free software that someone voluntarily did they're best to create	04:19
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: that's true, but that has nothing to do with the mechanics of the X servers involved	04:20
magnon	and I think it's pretty arrogant to bash it.	04:20
BROKEN_LADDER	it should work, terrible as this sounds, like the winxp login screen.	04:20
rellik	anyone know how to set up a 2nd monitor? under 'nvidia-settings' it only lists the CRT, but not the LCD	04:20
BROKEN_LADDER	i'm not bashing it, it's just not mature yet.	04:20
kbrooks	magnon, i decree that he is not	04:20
FLeiXiuS	BROKEN_LADDER, whats wrong with opening another session?	04:20
jdub	mature? dude.	04:20
jdub	far out	04:20
BROKEN_LADDER	it's a hack.	04:20
BROKEN_LADDER	it makes no sense.	04:20
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: you simply don't understand the architecture.	04:20
sladen	BROKEN_LADDER: any chance you could /nick broken_ladder my eyes are hurting	04:20
otter	back later	04:20
jdub	it works very similarly to the windows xp login screen	04:20
BROKEN_LADDER	i understand it well enough.	04:20
Ex-Cyber	X is the most mature window system still in use today :P	04:20
magnon	kbrooks: ok, repeatedly failing to understand it	04:20
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jdub	only it doesn't currently have all the gui chrome	04:20
FLeiXiuS	jdub, stole what I was about to inform him of	04:20
jdub	and it is more secure	04:20
jdub	and X is vastly more mature than windows	04:21
FLeiXiuS	BROKEN_LADDER, obviously not, your logic behind it is very well un clear and incertain..	04:21
kbrooks	magnon, yes, he is.....	04:21
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: again, you need to ask questions to find out what you're talking about before making claims.	04:21
Scognito	bennyp, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORKS	04:21
Scognito	it was a sound fonts problem	04:21
BROKEN_LADDER	you are opening up a new xserver for a new user to log in and use gnome. that's reprehensibly bad design.	04:21
jdub	no it's not	04:21
magnon	wh?	04:21
Scognito	bennyp, thank you a lot	04:21
sladen	thundrcleeze: probably because your monitor doesn't return any information when asked what refresh-rates it supports. Ubuntu has to just guess the lowest possible in that case	04:22
kbrooks	BROKEN_LADDER, no it is not.	04:22
magnon	that's pretty much intentional	04:22
jdub	it's secure, it's the optimal model for X	04:22
FLeiXiuS	BROKEN_LADDER, do you know how many security flaws there is with using the same session?	04:22
thundrcleeze	sladen, is there any way to change that?	04:22
kbrooks	BROKEN_LADDER, /nick your name.	04:22
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: would you like to ask questions about it so i can explain why?	04:22
BROKEN_LADDER	if there are flaws, they should be fixed.	04:22
kbrooks	FLeiXiuS, nnone?	04:22
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: or would you like to continue making claims without being informed	04:22
jdub	?	04:22
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jdub	i can give you a great demonstration of the X architecture in action	04:23
FLeiXiuS	BROKEN_LADDER, Hacking will always be there, its more secure and less vulnerable this way, dont complain to the Ubuntu Community, go straight to X and GNU!	04:23
BROKEN_LADDER	one of the engineers working on beos once wrote a great detailed analysis on why x is so slow..	04:23
FLeiXiuS	BROKEN_LADDER, we're not here to wipe your eyes of tears, that'll be your own doing. If you want to cry about something go elsewhere.	04:23
jdub	if you're willing to learn.	04:23
zenrox	ya really	04:23
BROKEN_LADDER	lemee google it. it outlines these flaws.	04:23
heliolith	I think I found the conflict with audacity, this thread shows a workaround for killing esd, but what functionality will I lose if esd is off? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6551.html	04:23
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: which is unrelated to the issue you've raised.	04:23
FLeiXiuS	kbrooks, nnone?	04:23
bennyp	no problem scognito	04:23
BROKEN_LADDER	an engineer with skills probably far exceeding the combined knowledge of everyone in here.	04:23
bennyp	it works now?	04:23
sladen	heliolith: try esddsp	04:23
magnon	heliolith: generally audio through GNOME will not play.	04:23
Scognito	bennyp, yes	04:24
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magnon	but you can start it again whenever though	04:24
BROKEN_LADDER	jdub: it's totally related.	04:24
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: and those unrelated issues are rapidly being fixed.	04:24
bennyp	sweeeeet	04:24
magnon	right, I forgot esddsp	04:24
Scognito	thank you a lot	04:24
kbrooks	none	04:24
heliolith	sladen: what's esddsp do?	04:24
Scognito	:)	04:24
sladen	heliolith: in esound-client	04:24
kbrooks	i made a typo	04:24
BROKEN_LADDER	the issues are related. he talks about this multiple x server issue.	04:24
magnon	kbrooks: now, that's more like an insult.	04:24
Scognito	i downloaded a super mario song and finally i can listen to it	04:24
Scognito	:)	04:24
sladen	heliolith: pipes accesses to /dev/dsp to esd instead	04:24
bennyp	hahah wicked!	04:24
BROKEN_LADDER	there's no reason a single x server is "insecure". you have absolutely no basis or backup for that absurd statement.	04:24
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: ok, do me a favour and listen for a bit, and run through this demonstration.	04:24
BROKEN_LADDER	favor?	04:24
BROKEN_LADDER	i can do you a favor.	04:25
BROKEN_LADDER	i'm listening	04:25
jdub	install xnest	04:25
bennyp	just gotta be like Dr. Spock	04:25
BROKEN_LADDER	all ears	04:25
bennyp	then all the answers come easy, when you take it piece by piece	04:25
jdub	tell me when it's installed.	04:25
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Scognito	eh eh	04:25
sladen	BROKEN_LADDER: (whilst it's installed would be a good time to lowercase your /nick ... as more than one person has pointed out, it is quite over-powering in here)	04:26
tottinge	Uhoh. My keyboard suddenly only works in console	04:26
FLeiXiuS	sladen, it clearly points out his maturity level in the Linux Architechture	04:26
tottinge	I was running sarge, then pointed apt/sources.list to ubuntu and dist-upgraded.	04:26
tottinge	Seems to be the only problem I have now.....	04:26
BROKEN_LADDER	lowercase letters are ugly.	04:27
bennyp	ok good night all, happy hacking!	04:27
BROKEN_LADDER	and since it's just my nick, and not lines of text, it shouldn't be that distracting.	04:27
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BROKEN_LADDER	why am i installing xnest?	04:27
CLucas916	does anyone know a mirror where xmms is available?	04:27
tottinge	Any suggestions?	04:27
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: because we're doing a demonstration for you	04:27
thundrcleeze	broken_ladder, you could change the font on your computer to an all-caps font...	04:27
heliolith	sladen: so esddsp is not a program? I looked for it in synaptic, all I find via google is some vague commands	04:27
BROKEN_LADDER	that's a hack.	04:27
BROKEN_LADDER	people shouldn't use lowercase letters.	04:27
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: it is all entirely safe, i'm not asking you to do anything dangerous.	04:27
BROKEN_LADDER	i hate having to turn caps lock off in irc.	04:28
caleb_	CLucas916: do you not like the newer music players?	04:28
BROKEN_LADDER	okay.	04:28
BROKEN_LADDER	one sec	04:28
sladen	heliolith: it's in esound-clients as, I mentioned above	04:28
jdub	thundrcleeze: let's ignore the side issues, please.	04:28
thundrcleeze	jdub, sure.	04:28
CLucas916	caleb_, i prefer xmms	04:28
BROKEN_LADDER	it would make it easier to find my way around the terminal if you could tell me why my arrow keys don't work whenever i start gnome.	04:28
BROKEN_LADDER	at least until i change something, anything, in keyboard settings.	04:28
jdub	don't know, sounds like a good bug for you to file.	04:28
caleb_	CLucas916: thats cool. I'm really liking muine and, at times, rhythmbox	04:29
BROKEN_LADDER	my left key is being read as XF86AudioPrev	04:29
CLucas916	ahh finially i got it	04:29
jdub	if anyone else wants to do the demo too, install xnest :-)	04:30
sladen	broken...: what type of keyboard do you have?	04:30
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CLucas916	any hoary users in here?	04:30
jdub	CLucas916: always.	04:30
Ex-Cyber	I already know what it's for, but I'm curious as to what you're going to do :)	04:30
heliolith	sladen: so once I install via syna then restart gnome and it's good to go, or I need to configure it some?	04:30
CLucas916	jdub, hows the stability?	04:30
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magnon	hoary is getting very good	04:30
sladen	heliolith: type esddsp command-that-doesn't-use-esd	04:31
magnon	it used to break a lot though	04:31
BROKEN_LADDER	keyboard shortcuts are insanely buggy.	04:31
sladen	heliolith: no restarting GNOME	04:31
jdub	CLucas916: we're post upstream-version-freeze now, so the upgrade load is better now	04:31
CLucas916	oh cool	04:31
Transitdk	Question: Has anyone gotten APM to work with HP Pavilion Laptops? (view battery level to be specific) OR gotten the FN keys to work?	04:31
heliolith	sladen so in my autolaunch icon thing I can type esddsp audacity instead of just typing audacity?	04:31
sladen	broken: XF86AudioPrev is normally a special key on an extended keyboard. What type of keyboard do you have?	04:31
BROKEN_LADDER	xnest has unmet dependencies, which it didn't install.	04:32
BROKEN_LADDER	for some reason.	04:32
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FLeiXiuS	BROKEN_LADDER, dependencies, welcome to linux..	04:32
jdub	erm, xnest has very simple dependencies	04:32
jdub	are you running hoary, warty, warty with backports?	04:32
thundrcleeze	sladen, I don't know if you got to this yet or not, but is there a way to change my refresh rate with a command or tool?	04:33
daniels	BROKEN_LADDER: if you have anything other than 'insanely buggy' (specifics are good) to contribute, maybe we stand a chance of actually fixing it.	04:33
daniels	thundrcleeze: xrandr -q to see what you support, then xrandr -r xx to change to that refresh rate.	04:33
sladen	thundrcleeze: Computer->Settings->Display	04:33
daniels	BROKEN_LADDER: (also, multiple X servers for different sessions is the right way to do things. the only-ever-one-X-server perception is crack, and should die ASAP. i say this as an X developer.)	04:34
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heliolith	sladen: do you use audacity? your esddsp workaround worked great for getting rid of that error, but now normal mp3 files sound like pure staticky noise; any idea what my problem is now?	04:35
BROKEN_LADDER	i'd love to describe my x problems in detail.	04:36
sladen	heliolith: no idea. btw, which sound chipset do you have---some can only run at a particular bitrate+frequency	04:36
BROKEN_LADDER	maybe you could provide some feedback.	04:36
BROKEN_LADDER	i'm using the default dvorak keymap with some third level stuff for typing esperanto characters.	04:37
heliolith	sladen: where do i find my sound/chipset?	04:37
sladen	irssi need a /rename LUSER luser option	04:37
BROKEN_LADDER	everything seems to work fine, until i assign keyboard shortcuts, like mod4-right_arrow to do XF86AudioNext.	04:37
Ex-Cyber	sladen: :)	04:37
BROKEN_LADDER	then things go awry.	04:37
heliolith	sladen: i'm happy to learn, but I'm a complete newbie to this stuff	04:37
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: now this is more productive, thank you	04:37
CLucas916	whats a good cd/dvd burning program for gnome?	04:37
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: i'd suggest filing this as a bug	04:38
sladen	broken: interesting. I'm still puzzled how the weird keys are generated	04:38
BROKEN_LADDER	every time i start up, my arrow keys don't work, and instead they act like next and previous, causing rhythmbox, for instance, to do just that.	04:38
CLucas916	i.e. not k3b	04:38
jdub	CLucas916: none in ubuntu atm	04:38
BROKEN_LADDER	they are third level keys.	04:38
jdub	CLucas916: though graveman has just been uploaded into hoary universe	04:38
CLucas916	wow	04:38
BROKEN_LADDER	i can show a sample line from my xkb file.	04:38
CLucas916	ok	04:38
jdub	CLucas916: there are a number of projects working on it, but none are ready for release (or are in hoary)	04:38
jdub	CLucas916: it's a nice black hole atm ;)	04:38
jdub	CLucas916: but nautilus-cd-burner is great if you just want to do data cds	04:38
CLucas916	lol	04:38
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sladen	BROKEN_LADDER: can you file a buy, and upload your custom xkb, and some sample xev output before/after	04:39
BROKEN_LADDER	key <AD07> { [ g, G, gcircumflex, Gcircumflex ] };	04:39
BROKEN_LADDER	this allows me to type	04:39
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: please file this as a bug, that's where it will be most useful	04:39
daniels	sladen: define the 'default dvorak keymap'.	04:39
heliolith	what's the command to find out my sound chipset anyone?	04:39
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daniels	s/sladen/BROKEN_LADDER/	04:39
BROKEN_LADDER	where and how?	04:39
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: see the topic.	04:39
FLeiXiuS	daniels, how's it going.	04:39
BROKEN_LADDER	it's the xkb dvorak file.	04:39
CLucas916	whats ubuntu backports?	04:40
daniels	FLeiXiuS: good thanks	04:40
daniels	BROKEN_LADDER: that's useless to me. how is it configured in xorg.conf?	04:40
jdub	CLucas916: it's a misguided project to build hoary stuff against warty :\|	04:40
CLucas916	ah	04:40
BROKEN_LADDER	it has nothing to do with xorg.conf	04:40
FLeiXiuS	daniels, Yeah it's been a while since I communicated with yah on the forums.	04:40
sladen	broken: "with some third level stuff" ?	04:40
BROKEN_LADDER	it's just the keymap i'm using.	04:40
daniels	BROKEN_LADDER: there are many ways to configure dvorak, some of them quite badly misguided (including 'dvorak')	04:40
BROKEN_LADDER	it's done using xkb	04:40
daniels	FLeiXiuS: hooray for being busy	04:40
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BROKEN_LADDER	acually, no i changed my xfree86 config file to using dvorak. it just says dvorak instead of us or whatever. so it uses the file /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/dvorak	04:41
BROKEN_LADDER	i don't see anything about filing bugs in the topic.	04:42
daniels	BROKEN_LADDER: first mistake.	04:42
thundrcleeze	sladen, I don't see a computer->settings->display and daniels, In windows I can get 1280x1024 @85hz and here it only reports I can do it at 60, is there a way to force it or is it the driver that only supports 60?	04:42
daniels	BROKEN_LADDER: (there's an FAQ in the topic)	04:42
BROKEN_LADDER	this problem existed prior to that.	04:42
daniels	BROKEN_LADDER: try 'us(pc104)+dvorak(basic)'	04:42
daniels	dvorak modifies existing symbol tables; it's not a complete replacement	04:42
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BROKEN_LADDER	try that where?	04:42
FX\|Laptop	Hello	04:42
BROKEN_LADDER	in the dvorak file?	04:42
daniels	thundrcleeze: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 as root, and remove the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines	04:42
BROKEN_LADDER	dude, what are you talking about?	04:43
daniels	BROKEN_LADDER: no dude, in your config	04:43
BROKEN_LADDER	i'm using the default dvorak file that COMES with the distro.	04:43
FX\|Laptop	anyone here running hoary with ndiswrapper?	04:43
BROKEN_LADDER	my x config has nothing to do with this.	04:43
BROKEN_LADDER	this happened before i changed anything in my x config.	04:43
daniels	BROKEN_LADDER: yes it does. if you want to argue with me on xkb stuff, that's great, but don't expect me to attempt to keep helping you.	04:43
BROKEN_LADDER	this happened before i changed anything in xfree86 config.	04:43
sladen	my apologies broken. I've used /ignore for the first time ever on IRC, and that's getting on for 10years	04:44
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BROKEN_LADDER	are you not listening to me?	04:44
CLucas916	is ncurses-devel in hoary?	04:45
BROKEN_LADDER	this happened _before_ i changed xfree86	04:45
BROKEN_LADDER	before	04:45
BROKEN_LADDER	not after	04:45
sladen	CLucas916: it's probably ncurses5-dev or something	04:45
sladen	CLucas916: apt-cache search ncurses	04:45
magnon	sladen: I'm getting there myself, my statistics are the same	04:46
BROKEN_LADDER	daniels: you want me to put that line in PLACE of the dvorak line?	04:46
CLucas916	i did and theres nothing about ncurses-dev	04:46
thundrcleeze	BROKEN_LADDER, I couldn't hurt to listen to them anyway and attempt what they suggest, could it?	04:46
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FX\|Laptop	How can I get the networking settings to stay on reboot?	04:46
BROKEN_LADDER	i'm willing to give it a try if he'll tell me exactly where to put that line. he already asked me about x.org config, which is weird since ubuntu currently uses xfree86	04:46
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: the developers live in hoary, remember.	04:47
BROKEN_LADDER	but i don't.	04:47
sladen	CLucas916: libncursesw5-dev	04:47
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: then you need to make that clear, without being a jerk about it.	04:47
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BROKEN_LADDER	okay. sorry. i'm not a developer.	04:47
sladen	FX\|Laptop: pop them in /etc/network/interfaces	04:48
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sladen	FX\|Laptop: what settings are you trying to get to survive?	04:48
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: we know that. we don't know which version you're using.	04:48
hikaru79	How can I (from command line, no synaptic), uninstall a program so that it's configuration files go with it? The equivalent of "Complete Removal" from Synaptic?	04:48
BROKEN_LADDER	now in my xfree86 config, daniels, where would i put this line about the pc104(basic) or whatever.	04:48
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: unless you tell us (which you now have).	04:48
BROKEN_LADDER	i thought you just told me hoary wasn't out yet.	04:48
BROKEN_LADDER	my mistake.	04:48
jdub	hoary is the devel branch.	04:49
hikaru79	BROKEN_LADDER, it's not out yet officially, but you can still participate in the development version	04:49
sladen	hikaru79: apt-get --purge remove package	04:49
BROKEN_LADDER	i see.	04:49
hikaru79	Just don't count on it working	04:49
hikaru79	sladen, thanks :)	04:49
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sladen	hikaru79: you have to have the packaged installed to do that though	04:49
Grev	evening all	04:50
hikaru79	sladen, yup	04:50
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BROKEN_LADDER	here's what's in my xconfig daniels: Option "XkbLayout" "dvorak" / Option "XkbOptions" "lv3:ralt_switch,altwin:left_meta_win"	04:55
BROKEN_LADDER	so replace dvorak with what you were just saying?	04:55
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daniels	with us(pc104)+dvorak(basic), yes	04:58
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hikaru79	Here's my problem: I installed a program that creates it's own directory and stuff in ~/. It made the directory the first time I installed it. But then, I removed the package and deleted the created directory. I deleted the package WITH --purge. However, if I try re-installing the package subsequent times, it refuses to re-make the directory it needs to make. I assume it thinks it's there from last time. How can I get it to start a new one?	04:58
Pluk	yay just got my laptop to support Fn buttons and standby	04:59
BROKEN_LADDER	but the second line is fine?	04:59
Pluk	too bad the fglrx driver cant handle sleepmodes very well :(	04:59
BROKEN_LADDER	you're an X developer daniels?	05:00
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jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: yes.	05:01
BROKEN_LADDER	i read on some forum that i could just replace pc with dvorak, which works on the surface. that's why i was so skeptical about this.	05:01
daniels	BROKEN_LADDER: probably, although it may cause problems, and yes	05:01
BROKEN_LADDER	okay.	05:01
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swim	hay folks	05:01
maximaus	'ello	05:01
jdub	"some forum" vs. "distro and upstream developer" -> hmm!	05:01
cef	actually, I'm not sure I'd give daniels the title of X developer. X Meddler perhaps. grin	05:02
swim	so for those who cannot use the new nvidia drivers/ubuntu packaged (6229), is there anyway to use the new kernels and use the previous nvidia packaged drivers? (6111)	05:02
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daniels	swim: not really, sorry	05:02
daniels	swim: it would just be a horror to build two versions	05:03
daniels	even though 6629 does have some quite massive problems	05:03
swim	daniels, so Im just stuck with the older kernel? that sucks	05:03
daniels	BROKEN_LADDER: depending on what you're attempting to bind, moving ralt to level3 shift and changing the altwin behaviour might break things badly	05:03
daniels	swim: tell me about it :\	05:03
BROKEN_LADDER	it now says Option "XkbLayout" "us(pc104)+dvorak(basic)"	05:03
swim	daniels, so my only hope is that newer nvidia kernels thus ubuntu packages will fix the problem ?	05:04
BROKEN_LADDER	it's the way everything i've read says to do this. it's even in the esperanto keymap file i found.	05:04
BROKEN_LADDER	it's to make right alt be altr	05:04
BROKEN_LADDER	altgr	05:04
BROKEN_LADDER	so can type by pressing right-alt-c	05:04
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BROKEN_LADDER	i also set mod4 to the win keys.	05:04
BROKEN_LADDER	but those are also options in keyboard prefs in gnome..	05:05
CLucas916	is bootsplash in hoary?	05:06
daniels	swim: yeah. apparently breaking older cards is a 'known issue' upstream, and they'll fix it in their next driver revision.	05:06
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swim	daniels, Im not even using an older card! nvidia is driver crazy or something	05:06
daniels	swim: the joys of binary drivers, eh?	05:07
swim	my card is a 2004 card	05:07
jdub	hmm	05:07
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jdub	Joe Zicarelli in the house?	05:07
daniels	swim: i think the biggest breakages were on tnt2, geforce2, and geforce4 mx440	05:08
daniels	or mx400 or something	05:08
swim	ive got a geforce4 440	05:08
BROKEN_LADDER	daniels: what am i _supposed_ to use for level3 besides right alt?	05:09
daniels	BROKEN_LADDER: not sure	05:09
BROKEN_LADDER	ack	05:09
freedomla	hi can someone help me?	05:09
CLucas916	freedomla, whats the prob	05:10
freedomla	i couldn't boot from the ubuntu cd in my powerpc	05:10
CLucas916	i dont think ubuntu is for ppc	05:11
BROKEN_LADDER	so i should log out and back in now?	05:11
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freedomla	well i got this powerpc version of ubuntu, not the dell x86 one	05:12
daniels	CLucas916: it works on powerpc, yes	05:12
BROKEN_LADDER	daniels: is it not relevant to you that this problem happened even when i had it set to the default, us?	05:12
BROKEN_LADDER	i mean, are other people able to use keyboard shortcuts?	05:12
CLucas916	daniels, oh i didnt know that	05:12
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ernesto	como estan todoss	05:13
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swim	how can I set a kernel do be default?	05:13
swim	in menu.lst?	05:14
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ernesto	this chat is just in english?	05:14
freedomla	do you think it might be something with my keyboard? Because when i turned on the mac, the cap/scroll/number lock lights flashed, and then went off, and after that, I couldn't get those lights back on again by pressing the lock keys	05:14
daniels	BROKEN_LADDER: it seems to work for most everyone else	05:14
freedomla	is it just like that for macs?	05:14
mike_douglas	I need to connect to this smb share but when I open it in nautilus it says I don't have permission. How would I make Nautilus ask for username and password?	05:15
ernesto	eh people	05:15
ernesto	Im a ubuntu linux new user	05:16
ernesto	I need some help	05:16
ernesto	somebody can help me?	05:16
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sladen	ernesto: if you ask a question...	05:16
ernesto	tell me	05:17
sladen	ernesto: it's a little hard to answer if you don't ask a question first	05:17
freedomla	can someone tell me whether my problem is in the keyboard or what?	05:17
ernesto	ok	05:17
ernesto	shot me	05:17
sladen	freedomla: usb/ps, PPC/i386/amd64, X or console?	05:18
swim	how can I set a kernel do be default? anyone??	05:18
ernesto	PCC/i386/amd64	05:19
ernesto	I listen something about amd64 procesors	05:19
ernesto	Im Dominican	05:19
sladen	ernesto: is your computer White with some fruit on the front, or gray and ugly?	05:19
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ernesto	sladen	05:19
ernesto	I know about hardware computers	05:20
freedomla	it's ppc 6500/275	05:20
sladen	swim: edit /etc/grub/menu.lst && sudo update-grub	05:20
ernesto	Im a tecnician	05:20
mdz	swim: /boot/grub/menu.lst	05:20
ernesto	Im using a clone pc with 500mhz procesor	05:20
swim	sladen, yes but edit to show what? how do I tell it to use a specific kernel	05:21
swim	mdz same	05:21
Arkainium	i don't understand the point of starting laptop mode. the hard disk never spins down anyway because the disk is accessed every 5 seconds.	05:21
ernesto	I have a ubuntu linux version	05:21
BROKEN_LADDER	maybe somehow my keyboard is broken.	05:21
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BROKEN_LADDER	i mean it's like 6 years old.	05:21
ernesto	Im not a advance linux user	05:21
sladen	swim: the line that says 'default 0' to be 'default N'	05:21
BROKEN_LADDER	but when i set a shortcut say where F2 is "take a screenshot" and "alt-F2" is "go to workspace 2", it records the alt-F2 fine. But if i press alt-F2 from the desktop, it treats it like a pressed F2, and tries to take a screenshot.	05:22
ernesto	but I know much things about hardware	05:22
freedomla	sladen: so what's causing the problem?	05:22
swim	sladen where N is the number of the entry in the list of kernels?	05:22
ernesto	Im not using mac	05:22
ernesto	os	05:22
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aperson	hello all	05:23
sladen	Arkainium: how much RAM do you have, is it swapping?	05:23
aperson	is there anybody who can help me get my soundcard to work?	05:24
BROKEN_LADDER	brb	05:24
CLucas916	aperson, sure	05:24
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ernesto	aperson you need to download the packages	05:24
CLucas916	aperson, what card	05:24
aperson	it is...	05:25
swim	ok anyone wanna help me get my audio running?	05:25
Arkainium	sladen, i have 768mb. still though, i disable my swap, i mounted /tmp as tmpfs. i even tried stopping syslogd, cron, etc	05:25
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sladen	aperson: hopefully you shouldn't need to download packages...	05:25
aperson	a seal 4 channel sound card	05:25
aperson	I better not	05:25
aperson	since my linux box has no internet connection	05:25
aperson	and I have dailup	05:25
Arkainium	sladen, the kernel is saving the dirty buffers... i tried setting laptop_mode in /proc/sys/vm but it doesn't stick.	05:26
sladen	Arkainium: there's a /proc/sys option you can write to, to display which disk-access caused the spin-up. I can't remember the option, Google will	05:26
swim	is there an audio setup wiki for ubuntu anyone??	05:26
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aperson	I have done the register-0.8 bit to no avail	05:26
TechPepsi	is there any screenshots on this distro	05:26
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Arkainium	sladen, it's /proc/sys/vm/block_dump, how do you watch it though? i disabled syslog and klogd	05:27
sladen	TechPepsi: distrowatch I think has tonnes. Other people have done reviews	05:27
TechPepsi	whats the link	05:27
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sladen	Arkainium: watch -n 1 'dmesg \| tail' or something	05:28
aperson	any ideas on what I need to do?	05:28
TechPepsi	I gto like 5 x86 and 5 for mac	05:28
TechPepsi	what come with ubuntu when ya install?	05:29
swim	is there an audio setup wiki for ubuntu anyone please? My audio is not working	05:29
aperson	heh	05:29
aperson	seems to be a bigger problem than I thought then	05:30
BROKEN_LADDER	okay i fixed my problem in a roundabout way.	05:30
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ernesto	I need to read some manuals of linux	05:32
aperson	well, I'll be back probally tommorrow for help	05:32
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swim	argh I need sound	05:33
BROKEN_LADDER	where does gvm mount things?	05:33
tottinge	Can I get help with an XFree86 problem?	05:33
BROKEN_LADDER	ask your question tottinge	05:33
BROKEN_LADDER	that's the only way anyone can help.	05:33
thenuke	swim: google your sound card and debian for starters	05:34
tottinge	My keyboard is standard 104, /dev/psaux (ms natural) -- works fine in console, but not gdm or xdm.	05:34
thenuke	swim: and ofcourse search the forums too	05:34
tottinge	Note: I was running straight debian, and it was fine in gdm/xdm. I set /etc/apt/sources.list to ubuntu, dist-upgrade, and now this.	05:35
TechPepsi	does the ubuntu distro work with airport card	05:35
tottinge	I've tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 -- no joy.	05:35
tottinge	what might I try next?	05:35
nevyn	daniels: so I've installed ubuntu.	05:35
nevyn	daniels: but I think this machine is dodgy	05:35
daniels	tottinge: er, keyboards aren't on /dev/psaux, they're mice	05:36
daniels	nevyn: oh?	05:36
thenuke	TechPepsi: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10860&highlight=airport "airport ( not the extreme ) is autodetected in ubuntu and works like a charm... "	05:36
tottinge	Sorry -- mind went south (too many trips through dpkg-reconfigure) I mean ti's on PS/2 port.	05:36
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nevyn	daniels: Cyrix 686 PR200	05:37
daniels	tottinge: i have no idea -- i've never heard of a keyboard that just stopped working before	05:37
TechPepsi	only for the ap card and not extreme	05:37
daniels	nevyn: isn't that implied?	05:37
BROKEN_LADDER	tottinge: i also have an ms natural and tons of problem.	05:37
tottinge	It still works in console, not in gdm, xdm.	05:37
BROKEN_LADDER	s	05:37
BROKEN_LADDER	i give up on getting shortcuts working.	05:37
mindphasr	tottinge: What does your keyboard input device options say in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4?	05:38
BROKEN_LADDER	i'll be setting keyboard shortcuts and all of a sudden it starts reading arrow keys as 0x66 instead of left or whatever.	05:38
swim	thenuke, I just need to know the common proccess to get sound up...	05:38
BROKEN_LADDER	why xf86config-4?	05:38
nevyn	is there an easy way to get from a custom install to a minimal gui?	05:38
daniels	nevyn: sudo aptitude install '~tubuntu-desktop'	05:38
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tottinge	Section "InputDevice"	05:38
tottinge	Identifier "Default Keyboard"	05:38
tottinge	Driver "keyboard"	05:38
tottinge	Option "CoreKeyboard"	05:38
tottinge	Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"	05:38
tottinge	Option "XkbModel" "pc104"	05:38
tottinge	Option "XkbLayout" "us"	05:38
tottinge	EndSection	05:38
daniels	or maybe just sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop	05:38
tritium	I think I'll try the Dell laptop suspend fix. What does the kernel option "nolapic" do?	05:38
BROKEN_LADDER	google that term?	05:38
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thenuke	swim: what soundcard do you have then	05:39
swim	thenuke, it uses driver snd_intel_8something um hold on	05:39
swim	oh 8x0	05:39
tottinge	mindphasr: exactly the same as my other (working) libranet debian box.	05:39
Guardiann	swim you using warty or hoary	05:40
swim	Guardiann, hoary	05:40
mindphasr	tottinge: Any errors in /var/log/XFree86.0.log?	05:40
Guardiann	did it work in warty	05:40
swim	Guardiann, I havent used warty in a very long time, I dont remember	05:40
Guardiann	you have a sis system?	05:41
swim	I think so... laptop	05:41
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monra	just got one of those free pressed CDs from my school. i've always wanted to be a linux user but found many of the programs (flash, 3ds max) can't be used in linux (except with crossover office, but it still doesn't support the latest versions). furthermore, some hardware on the pc doesn't work with linux because there aren't any drivers available (wifi card, video card). anybody want to tell me otherwise? :) i'll be glad to hear from you	05:41
Guardiann	bekieve it or not Try to disable your on board modem in your setup	05:41
tottinge	mindphasr: none.	05:42
swim	Guardiann, me?	05:42
Guardiann	then reboot	05:42
Guardiann	yep swim you	05:42
swim	Guardiann, ermm I have no idea how to do that	05:42
nevyn	monra: clearly you don't want to be a linux user enough...	05:42
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Guardiann	when you rebbot your machine should tell you what key you need to push to run the setup	05:43
Guardiann	mine was f2	05:43
mindphasr	tottinge: Does your caps lock lights go on and off in X?	05:43
Guardiann	if it doesnt say google for the info	05:43
mindphasr	monra: Then why do you want to be a linux user?	05:43
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swim	Guardiann, are you talking about disabling in bios? I dont have that option in my bios	05:43
crimsun	swim: I am now. What's up?	05:43
tottinge	I also notice that X takes longer to come up than I expected.	05:44
tritium	anybody know why acpi_irq_isa=7 is needed to enable sound on some Dell laptops?	05:44
tottinge	mindphasr: No, no lights.	05:44
Guardiann	hmmm you should	05:44
ernesto	crimsun are you	05:44
ernesto	Dionys	05:44
Guardiann	i was having the sound problem on my vaio with hoary	05:44
crimsun	ernesto: come again?	05:44
mindphasr	monra: We arn't here to turn you into a linux user. Go elsewhere if you want someone to convince you to use linux because frankly, i don't really care if you use linux.	05:44
swim	crimsun, whats up, uh I took care of it thanks :) was wondering how to deal with holding nvidia packages...	05:44
crimsun	tritium: broken irq routing with acpi for those bioses.	05:44
mindphasr	tottinge: Does X even start?	05:44
TechPepsi	will this distro ruin an ibook?	05:44
monra	mindphasr because i believe in opensource.. makes much more sense.	05:44
crimsun	swim: sudo aptitude hold <packages>	05:45
Guardiann	i found that its the kernal that is having trouble with on board devices i disabled my modem and away went the sound	05:45
swim	crimsun, now Im trying to get sound working... ive got a r3000z laptop, which uses snd-intel8x0 any ideas?	05:45
tottinge	mindphasr: I get the login screen and the mouse is live.	05:45
tritium	crimsun, I see. So I need that, regardless of kernel version?	05:45
tritium	I wonder why I never needed it on Debian.	05:45
mindphasr	monra: What do you want us to tell you? You only want to use closed source applications and they dont run in linux.	05:45
crimsun	tritium: at least for current 2.6	05:45
tritium	crimsun, thanks	05:45
Guardiann	swim what brand is an r3000x laptop	05:45
mindphasr	tottinge: That is very strange..I don't know what the deal is there	05:45
crimsun	swim: that's not nearly enough info to assist in debugging.	05:46
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swim	Guardiann, hp/compaq	05:46
tritium	crimsun, I can't seem to find the wiki page where I originally saw that fix.	05:46
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tottinge	mindphasr: gdm responds to mouse events -- I can use 'actions' menu.	05:46
swim	crimsun, I dont know how to setup audio in ubuntu... so I dont know how to give you more info...	05:46
crimsun	tritium: search for hardwaresupport for laptops	05:46
monra	oh ok, thanks anyway	05:46
Guardiann	ok well i would give it a try but whatever	05:46
tottinge	Oh, looky there... it's running an old kernel (2.4.22)	05:47
tottinge	Hmmm.....	05:47
crimsun	swim: /join #flood, cat /proc/asound/cards	05:47
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tritium	crimsun, yeah, I think it's gone now	05:48
swim	crimsun, http://pastebin.com/231528	05:49
tottinge	What is the "normal" kernel version for warty?	05:49
crimsun	tottinge: 2.6.8.1	05:49
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ernesto	ey I need help	05:50
EvolutionR	I have this a.deb package need to remove in order to install b.deb but what is the command?	05:50
crimsun	tritium: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops still exists.	05:50
mindphasr	EvolutionR: dpkg -r or apt-get remove	05:51
tritium	crimsun, yeah, thanks. That's not the original page that described the fix.	05:51
tritium	It's okay, though.	05:51
tritium	I'll read bugzilla, bug #1254	05:51
crimsun	ernesto: please state the issues then	05:52
EvolutionR	mindphasr: thanks	05:52
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crimsun	swim: and what does using gnome-volume-control give you?	05:52
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swim	crimsun, hmm Playback only shows PCM	05:53
crimsun	swim: is it using the oss mixer? select Change Device	05:54
crimsun	swim: make sure it's using the ALSA mixer	05:54
swim	crimsun, it was using oss now I changed it to alsamixer how should I test it?	05:55
swim	op	05:55
swim	works :")	05:55
BROKEN_LADDER	anyone know how to use samba over an ssh tunnel?	05:55
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ernesto	I have a problem with mozzila	05:55
swim	awesome crimsun thank you :)!	05:56
ernesto	with the pluggin shockwaveflash	05:56
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EvolutionR	I have this error on startup screen on Ubuntu 1)modprobe:FATAL:Error inserting pciehp(/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko) Operation not permitted 2) same with the error but with "shpchp". What's this how can I remove this annoying error message?	05:57
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ernesto	I have the same error in my pc	05:57
ernesto	what is tha	05:57
ernesto	that	05:57
EvolutionR	ernesto: I'm not alone :)	05:57
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HrdwrBoB	put pciehp	05:57
ernesto	yes	05:57
Bisclaveret	i just got my cd's.. they look good but something's fishy when i installed :(	05:57
crimsun	swim: wasn't that simple? :-)	05:57
swim	sure was !	05:58
HrdwrBoB	in /etc/hotplug.d/blacklist	05:58
ernesto	I want to know what is that?	05:58
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HrdwrBoB	ernesto: it's loading pci hot plug drivers	05:58
HrdwrBoB	but your hardware does not support it	05:58
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HrdwrBoB	http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BootHotPlugErrors see that page	05:58
zenrox	modules.blacklist??	05:58
ernesto	thanks	05:58
Bisclaveret	why did the installer (when run with linux noapic nolapic) stall forever when it was setting up/getting info on IDE devices?	05:59
HrdwrBoB	sorry /etc/hotplug/blacklist	05:59
HrdwrBoB	not .d	05:59
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zenrox	Bisclaveret, try just a normal boot	05:59
EvolutionR	HrdwrBoB: thanks for the info!	05:59
swim	crimsun, you wouldnt happen to know why audacity says this when I start it up: There was an error initializing the audio i/o layer would you?	05:59
cswanson	evening all	05:59
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Bisclaveret	zenrox: it did the same thing when i just pressed enter on the screen	05:59
zenrox	Bisclaveret, then try just one of the commands	06:00
crimsun	swim: esd grabs /dev/dsp, and audacity needs access to it.	06:00
Bisclaveret	it stalled forever, then it completed the installation.. but now when i reboot, it takes forever for the thing to start (i stare at a blinking cursor for 15 seconds or so) then i see GRUB... then 20 seconds later Loader Version 1.5, then 30 seconds after that Loading GRUB or whatever... then the thing just sits there	06:01
crimsun	swim: so before you run audacity, make sure you `pkill esd'	06:01
Bisclaveret	my hd led indicator on the case is full on, but the access led on the hd itself isn't doing anything	06:01
EvolutionR	HrdwrBoB: But I have another error on ubuntu when on startup screen. Synchronising clock to ntp.ubuntulinux.org failed I dont want to synchronise my clock!	06:02
ernesto	I have another problem	06:02
magnon	why would you _not_ want to sync the clock?	06:02
zenrox	ya	06:02
zenrox	i love it to sync	06:02
ernesto	I have a friend that wants to enter to this channel	06:02
Neo_654	Bisclaveret: Was that off a reboot? And also does they system seem to be majorly slow once things are running accessing the drive?	06:02
ernesto	but I dont know the name of this channel	06:02
magnon	ernesto: #ubuntu	06:02
zenrox	#ubuntu	06:03
crimsun	ernesto: #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net	06:03
tottinge	mindphasr, crimsun --- the kernel upgrade did it. I have keyboard now.	06:03
magnon	crimson wins the support price	06:03
tottinge	Thanks much.	06:03
magnon	*prize	06:03
crimsun	magnon: rather, the ubuntu community.	06:03
Bisclaveret	that was after a complete power cycle, and .. things don't start. i just sit there with loading GRUB on my screen	06:03
HrdwrBoB	EvolutionR: I can help you disable, it, but why not	06:03
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ernesto	thanks crimsun	06:04
Neo_654	Bisclaveret: Is this the first time this has done this?	06:04
randabis	I got us a new ubuntu recruit :p	06:04
magnon	crimsun: it's not like my support prize involves any honor or benefit at all anyway ;)	06:04
Bisclaveret	also, i'm quite the linux newb ;) i fooled around slightly with mandrake 9.2 but couldn't really get into it on account of my modem being majorly unsupported. now that i have a hardware modem i hope it should be better	06:04
randabis	he's dist-upgrading to hoary right now hehe	06:04
Bisclaveret	neo: this is the first install, yes	06:04
EvolutionR	HrdwrBoB: how pls! this annoys me, it takes some time to put into my desktop!	06:04
EvolutionR	too boot	06:05
Neo_654	First time seeing it what I mean is first time seeing this problem... Reason I ask was I just had something like this this past weekend.	06:05
Necrosan	http://ubuntuguide.org	06:05
Necrosan	read it and stfu	06:05
zenrox	or rtfm	06:05
Bisclaveret	i'm thinking the installer is broken on my hardware or my harddrive is just trashed :p	06:05
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thundrcleeze	No need to be rude, Necro.	06:05
Necrosan	When people demand help I demand satisfaction.	06:06
thundrcleeze	But thanks for the link.	06:06
Necrosan	:)	06:06
daniels	Necrosan: be polite. it's embodied in the ubuntu code of conduct.	06:06
ernesto	Bisclaveret	06:06
daniels	Necrosan: which are the rules this channel operates by.	06:06
EvolutionR	HrdwrBoB: tell me how to disable this sychronising clock ntp.ubuntulinux.org my startup screen? need help!	06:06
magnon	EvolutionR: I ask again - why don't you want it to sync?	06:06
ernesto	I have the same problem with a hard disk	06:06
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ernesto	here	06:06
Neo_654	Bisclaveret: the next time you reboot go into your bios and check to see how fast it discovers the HDD. That was my issue and then I reformated it and and now can't format it back cause it is trash I was just seeing it at the begining of dieing a slow and painfull death.	06:07
ernesto	that happen when the fist boot sector is busted	06:07
Ex-Cyber	magnon: if I read it right, to speed up boot time	06:07
thundrcleeze	Does ubuntu default to not showing your non-linux hdds, or is there something screwed up with it?	06:07
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sladen	EvolutionR: sudo update-rc.d -f remove ntp	06:08
thundrcleeze	Wait, it probably doesn't have ntfs reading as a default package, right?	06:08
Bisclaveret	it kinda sucks because i have a really old system and i can only have 1 HD in at a time (only 3 molex connectors)	06:08
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Necrosan	Bisclaveret: get a new PSU?	06:08
Bisclaveret	otherwise i would try to use a windows bootdisk and do a reformat of the drive	06:08
Neo_654	Bisclaveret: thats what splitters are for.	06:08
Bisclaveret	necro: id' have to modify my case for that.. and it would be pretty cramped	06:09
ernesto	is a good option	06:09
Bisclaveret	MATX power supply in a minitower right now. it's an old eMachines etower 566^i2	06:09
zenrox	bis just get anthoer psu and plug it in and turn it on set it on top	06:09
Skullripp	ernesto	06:09
ernesto	tell me	06:10
ernesto	dont dare to speak spanish here	06:10
Bisclaveret	120w psu and i've no idea how it's powering a cdrwiter, HD, 2 usb devices, and my geforce 2	06:10
swim	crud gconf crashes at start...	06:10
Neo_654	Bisclaveret: You can get a splitter for Radio Shack or anyplace like that to solve the molex problem. But if your Bois has troulbe seeing your HDD you may not want to reformat cause it won't be able to format the HDD.	06:10
Skullripp	and who wanted to speak spanish	06:11
swim	hmm starts as root from cli	06:11
Bisclaveret	my bios can detect it fine.. it's.. .a Quantum Fireball Lct 15. 7.5gig	06:11
ernesto	just is a warning	06:11
dnielsen	yay,, array-3 cd..	06:11
Bisclaveret	yeah i know, Quantums suck]	06:11
Neo_654	Ok then the first sector could be messed up.	06:12
Skullripp	so what's up?	06:12
ernesto	bisclavert	06:12
ernesto	you can try to install mandrake in the harddrive	06:12
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Bisclaveret	wouldn't the repartitioning and formatting fix that? beh. i could try to stick it in my 386 and attempt a low-level format	06:13
ernesto	I tried that with a hard disk	06:13
ernesto	the hard drive worked	06:13
Bisclaveret	would take forever but my 386's bios can do lowlevel formats and interleave disks	06:13
Skullripp	ernes	06:14
Skullripp	pepe	06:14
ernesto	tell me	06:14
Ex-Cyber	Bisclaveret: I often hear that most modern HDs fake the low-level format because the hardware needed to do the low-level format only exists at the factory (cf. CD-R pregroove)	06:14
HrdwrBoB	386	06:14
HrdwrBoB	yowsers	06:14
ernesto	windows user	06:14
EvolutionR	HrdwrbBoB: ????	06:15
Bisclaveret	heh.. i've only been a windows user since 98 or so >.> i'm a dos-man	06:15
sladen	Ex-Cyber: correct	06:15
ernesto	ey sladen I need to upgrade my mozilla navigator	06:16
ernesto	with the shockwave plugin	06:16
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Skullripp	pepe	06:17
ernesto	what you know about it	06:17
ernesto	motherfucker	06:17
Bisclaveret	Ex-Cyber: when i upgraded my 386dx to use IDE devices last year i had to LLF my new 120mb seagate	06:17
EvolutionR	anyone knows how to disable the ntp.ubuntulinux.org Fail it took a few minutes to log in because of that thing? anyone????	06:17
ernesto	what you want	06:17
ernesto	windowsniano	06:17
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Skullripp	gay take it easy	06:18
jdub	ernesto: keep it nice please.	06:18
HrdwrBoB	16:08 < sladen> EvolutionR: sudo update-rc.d -f remove ntp	06:18
EvolutionR	ernesto: u have the Synchronising ntp.ubuntulinux.org fail on ur Ubuntu startup screen????	06:18
ernesto	ey everybody the user Skullripp is using microsoft windows in this channel	06:18
swim	crimsun, hmm seems that the setting in gnome-volume-control is not saved at boot its back to oss	06:18
HrdwrBoB	ernesto: they are allowed	06:19
Bisclaveret	if anyone wants a slightly failing ST-225 halfheight, ST-412 interface, they can have it. had to get rid of it because the motor for driving the platters is starting to fail. it's losing RPM's randomly, thus making you reboot the computer and spewing trash all over the hd, but no media errors	06:19
ernesto	jdub pardon me but that user is bothering me	06:19
swim	crimsun, no thats not it... it starts muted	06:19
Bisclaveret	i'm using win2kpro >.>	06:19
EvolutionR	sorry I did not see it thanks	06:19
Bisclaveret	up until last week i was using winme ;)	06:19
jdub	Bisclaveret: ouch. good move. ;)	06:19
HrdwrBoB	haha	06:20
ernesto	winme is the best windows	06:20
HrdwrBoB	I have 3 5RU pentium 2s here someone can take away	06:20
HrdwrBoB	but you have to carry them	06:20
Bisclaveret	i dunno. i liked winME. it was functional	06:20
ernesto	when the kernel is go down	06:20
Lovechild	wow this was ugly, to get Muine working in Hoary I had to force it and link the flac lib to the old version... just nasty	06:20
Bisclaveret	people were amazed at my ability to constantly get 1 week+ uptime from it	06:20
ernesto	the video continue	06:21
Skullripp	ernes say your own opinion	06:21
Bisclaveret	"OMFG j00 have to reboot every 40 minutestst"	06:21
Ex-Cyber	Bisclaveret: something like that :)	06:21
magnon	you actually liked winme? :)	06:21
ernesto	you can give your opinion	06:21
sladen	EvolutionR: it's probably DHCP taking so long. Probably because you wifi/DHCP is broken	06:21
ernesto	you used that version of windows	06:21
Lovechild	I haven't used Windows since 98, but that wasn't a half bad release to be honest, aside the crashing it did what it was supposed to	06:22
ernesto	you know everything about windows	06:22
Bisclaveret	magnon: never really had a lot of experience with NT-based stuff and i've used win95 OSR and winME for a while now	06:22
Skullripp	you love ms	06:22
ernesto	you can work with Bill gates	06:22
Bisclaveret	and i have a lot of "legacy" devices and older computers that i needed backwards compatibility with	06:22
ernesto	you know everything about it his products	06:23
jdub	this is rapidly shifting off-topic, dudes	06:23
EvolutionR	HrdwrBoB: I can't seem to surf internet (DSL) on Gnome 2.8 (ubuntu) warthy? I use adsl-start it showed status connected! but I click my Firefox webbrowser to try surf www.google.com or etc...cannot "Stil Resolving" I use a Aztech 305E (router) DSL modem	06:23
EvolutionR	sladen: which one are u refering to?	06:24
Skullripp	ernes	06:24
ernesto	tell me	06:24
Skullripp	i gotta go	06:24
ernesto	why	06:24
swim	anyone happen to know what this means when I try to run amarok: Socket-path is not a link or a directory: /home/joshua/.kde/socket-penguin-water	06:24
Bisclaveret	8088 running IBM Personal DOS 3.0, GEM 286 running MS-DOS 5.0, AMD 386dx-40 running 6.22, 133mhz pentium running win95 osr, and this computer that used to have winme on it	06:24
Skullripp	i have to do something	06:24
sladen	EvolutionR: why your computer is taking long to boot (btw Ctrl-C will cancel the timeout if you're in a hurray)	06:24
EvolutionR	sladen: :) ok !	06:24
Bisclaveret	it's not that i love MS, it's that thats what i have ;)	06:25
Skullripp	byeeee	06:25
EvolutionR	sladen: I can't seem to surf internet (DSL) on Gnome 2.8 (ubuntu) warthy? I use adsl-start it showed status connected! but I click my Firefox webbrowser to try surf www.google.com or etc...cannot "Stil Resolving" I use a Aztech 305E (router) DSL modem	06:25
Bisclaveret	gad i hate chatzilla X.x	06:26
EvolutionR	I even try to of the disable "IpV6" mentioned on the ubuntu forum	06:26
magnon	Bisclaveret: I admire you ;)	06:26
EvolutionR	but failed to surf internet	06:27
Bisclaveret	heh. i'm more of a hardware person :p i can't code a lick unless it's in GW-BASIC or COBOL :p but i can troubleshoot and repair a NIC or make a covox soundcard for LPT1	06:28
Cam-	how do i play WMV files?	06:28
Bisclaveret	though it's been a while since i was in school and i've forgotten things :(	06:28
sladen	EvolutionR: this is the reason that NTP is timing out---your internet connection is broken!	06:28
EvolutionR	sladen: how to connect then? my dsl worked on WindowXP	06:29
sladen	EvolutionR:	06:29
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goofykinky	hile, can anyone tell me how do i configure my usb devices for not run on my start up?	06:31
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swim	is there some specific way to setup gtk themes? (not gkt2.0) but gtk...	06:31
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DeepSpaceAnt	guys anyone else here have a 9700 pro	06:37
DeepSpaceAnt	that is detected as a 9500 pro	06:38
DeepSpaceAnt	im getting worse preformace than a 9600 pro under same ubuntu /drivers	06:38
DeepSpaceAnt	i dunno why	06:38
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Necrosan	DeepSpaceAnt: install ati drivers	06:45
daniels	Necrosan: that is with fglrx	06:46
Jogariga	how can i install ethereal using apt-get?	06:46
daniels	fglrx is the only driver ever with the 9700/9500 problem, and the free driver doesn't accelerate 3D on r3xx/r4xx	06:46
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Necrosan	daniels: ah. i have no ati cards nor a pc, so :)	06:51
thundrcleeze	When I'm trying to ./configure something what does this mean: checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool	06:51
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Britt	has anyone with centrino wifi had any probs lately?	06:52
thundrcleeze	Britt: nope, don't have it, sorry.	06:52
Britt	as in, my wifi isn't showing up any more :(	06:52
smogger914	max@ubuntu:~ $ alien -d mplayer.rpm	06:52
smogger914	Must run as root to convert to deb format (or you may use fakeroot).	06:52
sladen	Britt: is the question ''I'm having problems with ...'' ?	06:52
smogger914	how do u fix that	06:52
sladen	smogger914: fakeroot alien foo.rpm	06:52
Britt	sladen, well it just dissapeared with an update a week ago or so	06:53
sladen	Britt: update from what to what?	06:53
smogger914	doesnt work	06:53
Britt	from hoary to newest hoary	06:53
smogger914	bash: fakeroot: command not found	06:54
sladen	Britt: okay. was this the 2.6.10.something kernel upgrade?	06:54
sladen	smogger914: sudo apt-get install fakeroot	06:54
BROKEN_LADDER	why don't i have smbmount in ubuntu?	06:54
Britt	sladen, not sure ... didn't have time to look into it at the time	06:54
Britt	sladen, probably a good guess, i hadn't updated in a while	06:54
smogger914	thanx	06:56
thundrcleeze	When I'm trying to ./configure something what does this mean: "checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool" ?	06:56
Britt	dmesg reports: eth1: Firmware 'ipw211-1.2.fw' not available or load failed	06:57
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regeya	there's this perl module needed by intltool, see, and that perl module is called XML::Parser	06:57
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smogger914	max@ubuntu:~ $ fakeroot alien -i mplayer.rpm	06:58
smogger914	mkdir: cannot create directory `mplayer-1.0pre6': File exists	06:58
smogger914	mkdir: cannot create directory `mplayer-1.0pre6/debian': File exists	06:58
smogger914	arrggg	06:58
thundrcleeze	So I should try and apt-get it, regeya?	06:58
regeya	apt-cache search for it	06:58
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Dethread	ahoi	06:58
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regeya	hn	06:59
regeya	hm even	06:59
thundrcleeze	I don't see it.	06:59
regeya	libxml-parser-perl - Perl module for parsing XML files <- maybe?	06:59
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thundrcleeze	Ah ha.	06:59
regeya	BINGO!	06:59
thundrcleeze	Thanks, regeya, I'll try that	06:59
regeya	or not	06:59
vj	can anyone help me install ubuntu, live cd works perfect	06:59
thundrcleeze	Or not?	07:00
regeya	hm.	07:00
Dethread	vj: put in install cd, follow directions, enjoy	07:00
regeya	I dunno. give it a shot	07:00
vj	dethread have done the normal and it installs but does not function right	07:00
Dethread	how so?	07:00
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vj	well i have 4 iso's sent by ubuntu to me, none of them installs properply, i cannot access half of the applications, while ubuntu live cd works perfect	07:01
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thundrcleeze	The LiveCD could really use an install script, I think.	07:02
Dethread	vj, tried downloading the iso?	07:02
vj	fc3, suse 9.2, mandrake 10.1 .......works perfect	07:02
vj	yes i have downloaded twice from the net and i have in all 6 iso copies	07:02
vj	and i am sure nothing wrong with my system as i can boot a lot of distro's	07:03
Dethread	hm, when you say "accessing packages", are you referring to the cd or online repositories?	07:03
swim	hay do you guys use anything to burn data to dvds?	07:03
stuNNed	is gstreamer lame plugin avail?	07:03
Supplicium	can you switch from gnome to kde in ubuntu?	07:04
techn9ne	swim: nautilus	07:04
techn9ne	Supplicium: yes	07:04
Supplicium	how?	07:04
techn9ne	umm download the kde packages via apt-get	07:04
vj	for example, i cannot access the applications	07:04
techn9ne	sudo apt-get install kde i think	07:05
swim	techn9ne, cool, ive been mainly a kde user so i used k3b in the past	07:05
regeya	Marcel Gagn	07:05
vj	i cannot set up the network, cannot detect the network card	07:05
techn9ne	swim: you can use k3b in gnome	07:05
Supplicium	how do i go about doing that, im new to linux sorry :P	07:05
regeya	5 more LJ surveys; wonder if they'll list COoking with Linux in each one, and if I'll ever feel like giving it a rating other than 1.	07:05
vj	cannot see my ntfs partition	07:05
Dethread	hmmm	07:05
Dethread	I had to set mine up manually in the fstab	07:05
techn9ne	Supplicium: ok if you're a newbie goto computer->system configuration->Synaptic package manager and search for kde	07:05
vj	well i think i will wait for the next release of ubuntu	07:06
swim	techn9ne, yah but i allways seem to have issues when I try ... like now it cant find cdrdao, and it doesnt seem to see my external usb dvd burner anyways	07:06
Dethread	yeah, just a few more months	07:06
regeya	the next release of ubuntu will be awesome	07:06
Supplicium	tech9ne: thx alot.	07:06
Dethread	aye	07:06
techn9ne	swim: i dunno i dont use k3b. gnome ufrotunatley doesnt have a cd burning utility on the same level as k3b.	07:06
vj	i how do you know regeya	07:07
swim	hay is there anything like a gtk+qt engine that will make qt apps use gtk themes?	07:07
magnon	there's something over at freedesktop.org I think	07:07
regeya	vj: because I've installed things from the next release (not recommended) and things that are broken in warty actually work	07:07
regeya	;-)	07:07
magnon	but it's not finished	07:07
vj	ok	07:07
techn9ne	you can get gnome themes that look like kde	07:07
smogger914	max@ubuntu:~ $ fakeroot alien -i mplayer_1.0pre6-1.20041114_i386.deb	07:07
smogger914	dpkg-deb: failed to create directory: Permission denied	07:07
smogger914	dpkg: error processing mplayer_1.0pre6-1.20041114_i386.deb (--install):	07:07
smogger914	subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2	07:07
smogger914	Errors were encountered while processing:	07:07
smogger914	mplayer_1.0pre6-1.20041114_i386.deb	07:07
regeya	AAAAAAAAAAAAA	07:08
smogger914	how u fix that	07:08
techn9ne	ubuntu prob. runs gnome better than kde	07:08
vj	i have heard they are installing a graphical install	07:08
magnon	smogger914: why do you install the rpm?	07:08
smogger914	how else u do it	07:08
techn9ne	smogger914: run that command using sudo	07:08
magnon	or, what are you doing using alien	07:08
vj	plus a new set up icons	07:08
smogger914	how do u do it	07:08
Dethread	smogger914, get the deb or compile yourself	07:08
magnon	mplayer is in Hoary universe/multiverse	07:08
regeya	well, ubuntu is sorta gnome-centric	07:08
Dethread	"sorta"	07:08
Dethread	haha	07:08
regeya	so naturally gnome is a bit more polished on ubuntu	07:08
regeya	heh	07:08
regeya	sorry Dethread	07:08
vj	yeah, they have dedicated themself to it	07:08
magnon	and good reasons so :)	07:08
Dethread	;)	07:09
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techn9ne	mepis / suse are kde main kde distros i think	07:09
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magnon	depends how long suse will stay kde centric only though, after novell	07:09
smogger914	how do u do it	07:09
vj	well i am using yoper now, and it been on the system since the last 15 days now, really fast as they say	07:09
magnon	nld is gnome already	07:09
regeya	true that	07:09
techn9ne	i dunno kde annoys me	07:09
Supplicium	are there any sweet themes for gnome like transparentcy and other cool looking stuff?	07:09
techn9ne	and seems slow	07:09
magnon	smogger914: put "sudo" in front of the command	07:09
regeya	o_O	07:09
techn9ne	Supplicium: http://art.gnome.org	07:09
thundrcleeze	Is just ubuntu's liveCD based on MEPIS or is it the whole thing?	07:10
techn9ne	the next version of gnome supports transparency but i dont know if this one does	07:10
Supplicium	kk thx.	07:10
techn9ne	thundrcleeze: its based on gnoppix	07:10
techn9ne	i mean knoppix	07:10
vj	well ubuntus live cd is based on gnoppix	07:10
regeya	kde seems fast these days to me shrug then again I'm using a gnome-centric desktop these days, so the technically-better-and-faster-but-horrible-UI must not appeal to me anymore. :-/	07:10
magnon	GNOME 2.10 has transparent panels and applets	07:10
thundrcleeze	Because when you boot it it says "Welcome to MEPIS LiveCD!"	07:10
vj	is it so,,, i am in doubts now mepis ?	07:11
heliolith_	can anyone tell me how to run a gdesklet install file that ends in .bin?	07:11
jdub	magnon: GNOME 2.2 had the same fake transparency hacks ;)	07:11
jdub	magnon: the applet support is improved, however	07:11
vj	regeya have you tried yoper	07:11
jdub	nothing supports real transparency sanely	07:11
regeya	no	07:12
magnon	jdub: it's kinda unusable without transparent applets, so I wouldn't call it a feature until now ;)	07:12
heliolith_	do i need to rename the extension to python extension to make it work?	07:12
stuNNed	where can i get gstreamer lame encoder plugin for ubuntu? dangit :(	07:12
magnon	but no, it's not real	07:12
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vj	well try it, it's got the best of all distros	07:12
regeya	hm.	07:12
vj	and it is really fast	07:12
jdub	magnon: a number of the applets have supported it well, there's just been a concerted effort to fix the rest.	07:12
magnon	which is half of the applets I use regularily :)	07:13
magnon	oh well	07:13
magnon	high hopes for panel 3, eh? :)	07:13
magnon	I was hoping to help davyd out with that stuff soon	07:13
heliolith_	what's the normal file extension for a python script?	07:14
vj	to name it, kudzo, sax2, slackware packet management, apt-get/synaptic, base systen from scratch, they even have there own repositories	07:14
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Dethread	heliolith_, py	07:14
heliolith_	ty	07:14
Dethread	I think	07:14
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nevyn	arrg I hate this cpu.	07:16
swim	i love my cpu ;)	07:17
regeya	I'm indifferent about mine	07:17
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swim	especially with ubuntu hoary amd64! hell yah	07:17
tritium	Way cool -- suspend-to-disk works on my C840!	07:17
funk	Yeah, python ext = .py	07:17
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nevyn	cyrix 686 MII	07:18
nevyn	there's a reason I hate it.	07:18
tritium	(except for some weirdness with wireless network card)	07:18
swim	stupid qt apps look bloody ugly	07:19
swim	do you guys use qt apps, and just accept their ugliness ? :P	07:20
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stuNNed	is there a way to add galaxy repo's?	07:23
techn9ne	swim: i dont use qt apps	07:25
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swim	techn9ne, ah Im trying not to myself, but I really like amarok, and k3b is pretty nice too	07:25
EvolutionR	how to enable zonealarm to dcc send on mirc?	07:26
swim	zonealarm!? isnt that windows crap	07:26
techn9ne	EvolutionR: wrong channel	07:26
techn9ne	zonealarm and mirc are both windows programs	07:26
EvolutionR	techn9ne : i have problem with linux ubuntu...I cant connect so I use windows :(	07:26
EvolutionR	pls	07:26
techn9ne	i have no idea because i dont use windows	07:27
funk	I'm assuming that you're not using mirc right now huh?	07:27
EvolutionR	what dcc port is mirc	07:27
EvolutionR	funk I 'm using mirc	07:27
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EvolutionR	temp	07:27
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funk	You're here and using mirc. I expect that ZA is already configured to allow access?	07:28
EvolutionR	:) maybe the guy din't accept dcc	07:28
sangriag	amd64 installer burnt from iso does not get booted, doe anyone have idea?	07:29
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sangriag	Of course, I do see 8 directories (dists, doc,install,isolinux, pics, pool, tools and ubuntu) and two files md5sum.txt and README.diskdefines in the burnt CD	07:31
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BROKEN_LADDER	does ubuntu run a samba daemon by default?	07:31
BROKEN_LADDER	a server..	07:31
techn9ne	no	07:31
EvolutionR	http://www.pastebin.com/231549 <=== Is there mistake /wrong with my Ubuntu Linux...can't seem to surft internet but connected	07:31
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techn9ne	that would be a major security hole	07:32
daniels	BROKEN_LADDER: it doesn't run daemons by default, full stop	07:32
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funk	http://www.mirc.org/dccprob.html	07:34
funk	Evo, that's for you	07:34
funk	dcc issues with mirc	07:34
EvolutionR	funk nvm	07:35
EvolutionR	:) thanks anyway	07:35
funk	np	07:36
sangriag	funk any idea, why the amd64 installer does not get booted on its own (md5sum is right, the first booting device is cd-rom).	07:36
funk	How did you burn the iso	07:37
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otter	hi, i just installed ubuntu	07:39
otter	and i get the $ prompt	07:39
otter	now what?	07:39
otter	how do i start the desktop?	07:39
otter	or, will ubuntu install in 2 gigs? [was the desktop not installed?]	07:40
funk	xstart	07:41
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otter	"command not found"	07:41
funk	dang	07:41
funk	You did the complete install right?	07:42
otter	apt reported that not everything got installed	07:42
otter	yes	07:42
funk	and you only have a blank ci?	07:42
otter	the cd installed fine	07:42
otter	then the apt get worked over the net	07:42
funk	did your system update from the net?	07:42
otter	yes	07:42
funk	so you've run the update and upgrade?	07:42
otter	but appeared to stop at some point and aptitude did not upgrade anything	07:43
funk	try it again..	07:43
otter	ok	07:43
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otter	what'st he command for that?	07:43
funk	sudo apt-get update	07:43
funk	sudo apt-get upgrade	07:43
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otter	it does a few, then requires superuser to continue	07:45
otter	su wants the password and i never set it	07:46
otter	is there a default su password?	07:46
funk	It's the same as your defrault user	07:46
otter	i will try that again	07:46
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randabis-laptop	my buddy is having some problems getting 3d acceleration working with his radeon igp 345m chipset in hoary. can anyone help?	07:46
otter	nope	07:47
thundrcleeze	Why is the root account "disabled" and sudo is used instead?	07:47
otter	su password not accepted	07:47
funk	have no ATI experience... nvidia all the way on nix imho	07:47
randabis-laptop	I agree but this chip is supposed to have 3d acceleration in hoary/xorg	07:47
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funk	thundrcleeze: security..	07:48
otter	says dpkg requires superuser	07:48
funk	otter, I would reinstall it real quick. Was this your first time installing it?	07:49
otter	yes	07:49
funk	yeah, if you can't even run apt and don't have root access, you're kinda hosed.	07:49
otter	will ubuntu install in 2 gigs	07:49
otter	?	07:49
otter	ie: did it run out of space?	07:50
funk	If it gets weird on install again, check your image to ensure it's good. Is this a pressed CD or a burnt CD?	07:50
heliolith_	hey all what's a good fontpack to DL via synaptic for standard web page fonts? firefox is looking a little funny with fonts in ubuntu vs. windows	07:50
jdub	thundrcleeze: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo	07:50
otter	burnt from the iso	07:50
jdub	otter: you didn't happen to do a 'custom' install did you?	07:50
otter	no	07:50
otter	just let it roll	07:51
jdub	ok	07:51
jdub	so that's weird :)	07:51
jdub	otter: you run commands as root by using sudo, btw.	07:51
otter	i will try that now	07:51
jdub	otter: i suggest retrying the install and watching for any errors at all	07:51
funk	did you check the md5 before burning? I'm still looking for space requirements but I would think 2Gs would be enough	07:51
sangriag	funk: I used k3b to burn CD image in ISO9660	07:51
otter	no md5 check	07:51
otter	i could	07:51
otter	should	07:51
sangriag	but I did, funk	07:52
sangriag	And md5sum is alright in my case ;-)	07:52
funk	sangriag: that should have worked. I'm still looking for some info on your trouble.	07:52
sangriag	that would be very grateful.	07:53
otter	sudo dpkg --configure -a got past the hangup	07:53
funk	It was the CD or DVD there sangriag?	07:53
otter	and now: "no space left on device"	07:53
funk	lol	07:53
otter	so that is it	07:53
sangriag	CD	07:53
randabis-laptop	my buddy is having some problems getting 3d acceleration working with his radeon igp 345m chipset in hoary. can anyone help?	07:53
funk	well, you solved it for us then.. You need more than 2Gs for base install?	07:54
otter	seems so	07:54
jdub	otter: type apt-get clean	07:54
jdub	otter: then go again :)	07:54
otter	ok	07:54
techn9ne	randabis: ati + linux doesnt work well	07:55
sangriag	I have also made partitions for specific stuffs like /hda1 for /boot /hda7 for /, hda10 for /var hda13 for /user, hda5 and hda11 for /swap, /hdb6 for /tmp and /hdb16 for shareable /home with FC1 ;-)	07:55
techn9ne	talk to ati about that	07:55
otter	it's moving on and setting up python	07:56
otter	no complaints yet	07:56
otter	thanks	07:56
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otter	lets see what happens	07:57
randabis-laptop	techn9ne I'm aware of that, but according to daniels himself on the forums, this chipset should work with 3d acceleration	07:58
funk	These are regular CDRs right sangriag? Not CDRWs?	07:59
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funk	randabis, I believe he'll need DRI for sure. I don't know if that'scommon knowledge but I believe it to be true with ATI devices	07:59
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randabis-laptop	yeah I believe he does have dri enabled, he's using the radeon driver now too, he's still getting low fps in glxgears however	08:01
BROKEN_LADDER	anyone here know how to set up a samba connection over an ssh tunnel?	08:01
daniels	randabis-laptop: i don't think we have working acceleration for the igp345	08:01
funk	man, I wish I had even a little working knowledge of ATI in Linux.. I'm definitely the last guy you want giving advise. :)	08:01
daniels	s/acceleration/3d &/	08:01
daniels	it's a pretty new chipset, iirc	08:02
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: you can't unless you do ppp over ssh, which is also insane. i suggest you research standard vpn options.	08:02
daniels	randabis-laptop: what does lspci say?	08:02
randabis-laptop	okay I'll ask one sec	08:03
BROKEN_LADDER	jdub: there are howto's on this.	08:03
BROKEN_LADDER	http://www.ibiblio.org/gferg/ldp/Samba-with-SSH/Samba-with-SSH.html#toc7	08:04
BROKEN_LADDER	what am i missing here?	08:04
randabis-laptop	his chipset is showing up as an ati radeon igp 340m...that's funny though because in win2k it shows up as a 345m	08:04
swim	are there kde styles in the ubuntu repository? (just dont like the way my gtk apps look in gnome )	08:05
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: sure, you can make a direct server connection. you can't browse, etc.	08:06
BROKEN_LADDER	browse?	08:06
otter	setup is moving right along :)	08:06
jdub	otter: rock ;)	08:07
randabis-laptop	0000:01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 340M	08:07
BROKEN_LADDER	i'm just trying to treat a remote samba share, treating it as though it were a localhost share and letting ssh tunnel it.	08:07
otter	apt-get loads a ton of libraries i guess	08:07
jdub	otter: there have been quite a lot of security updates	08:07
BROKEN_LADDER	jdub: i'm confused because this howto seems to say i can do it, and a very smart engineer friend of mine on the bios team at intel says it's supposed to be possible.	08:07
BROKEN_LADDER	what do you mean by "can't browse"?	08:07
jdub	you can make a direct server connection	08:08
jdub	you can't browse the network without having a proper network tunnel	08:08
BROKEN_LADDER	isn't that what i'm using ssh to do?	08:08
jdub	the guide there clearly describes making a direct connection	08:08
BROKEN_LADDER	what's the difference?	08:08
BROKEN_LADDER	am i, or am i not mounting a samba share?	08:09
jdub	it seems you intend to make a direct connection	08:09
jdub	which is what that document describes	08:09
BROKEN_LADDER	i want to be able to mount a samba share	08:09
BROKEN_LADDER	that is remote..but securely	08:09
BROKEN_LADDER	hence the ssh part.	08:09
BROKEN_LADDER	does that all jive with what you are getting from that doc?	08:10
jdub	do i have to repeat myself again?	08:10
BROKEN_LADDER	repeat what?	08:10
randabis-laptop	you get that daniels?	08:10
BROKEN_LADDER	you mentioned a direct connection.	08:10
BROKEN_LADDER	i'm asking about mounting.	08:10
jdub	what do you think you're doing when mounting?	08:11
BROKEN_LADDER	making a remote directory accessible und /mnt	08:11
jdub	and how is this done?	08:11
BROKEN_LADDER	using smbfs	08:11
BROKEN_LADDER	smbmount	08:11
jdub	no, dude	08:11
jdub	what happens underneath...	08:11
jdub	i will give you a clue: you make a direct connection to the server	08:12
BROKEN_LADDER	there is a protocol called samba.	08:12
stuNNed	hi jdub	08:12
jdub	morning stuNNed	08:12
BROKEN_LADDER	ssh is used to map a local port to the remote machine on which the share is located.	08:12
stuNNed	morning jdub, going to bed shortly here in southern central us :) have a good one	08:13
BROKEN_LADDER	i have no idea why you're discussing the underlying mechanisms of the protocol.	08:13
jdub	i'm not	08:13
BROKEN_LADDER	i feel like i'm asking an incredibly simple question and getting an answer that is incoherent.	08:13
sangriag	funk, yes regular CD	08:13
jdub	sheesh dude	08:13
jdub	you're talking about tunnelling cifs over ssh	08:13
funk	what burn speed?	08:13
jdub	that involves two connections	08:14
sangriag	1x	08:14
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jdub	the document very clearly describes how to make both connections	08:14
BROKEN_LADDER	does this documented method allow me to emyoy ssh to establish a secure tunnel from a local port to a port on a remote machine, such that a can use smbmount to mount a "local" shared directory that is presently transparently, even though it is actually a remote directory.	08:14
funk	quality discs right?	08:14
BROKEN_LADDER	cifs?	08:14
jdub	of course it does	08:14
sangriag	yes	08:14
BROKEN_LADDER	employ	08:14
jdub	that's precisely what it says it does, and i've confirmed that repeatedly to you	08:14
BROKEN_LADDER	so why do you keep bringing up this "direct connection" stuff?	08:14
sangriag	I have burnt severeal other images on the same quality disks	08:14
funk	hmm It doens't even attempt to boot the disc or it hangs?	08:15
BROKEN_LADDER	you keep talking about direct connections.	08:15
BROKEN_LADDER	i've got a "direct connection" to google's web servers right now.	08:15
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: because that's what you're doing. you are making a direct connection to the samba server, you do not need to browse.	08:15
sangriag	it attempt to boot the discs and then goes to the HDD booting (the second priority device)	08:15
BROKEN_LADDER	okay, now i see what you're saying.	08:15
BROKEN_LADDER	i'm not trying to get a list of available shares.	08:15
BROKEN_LADDER	i know the name.	08:15
randabis-laptop	I think daniels died...hehe	08:15
sangriag	but the second priority device does not have grub installed in MBR (for FC1)	08:15
BROKEN_LADDER	well i'm getting significant problems.	08:16
jdub	you can also get a list of shares on that machine. you cannot browse the network.	08:16
swim	weird Im trying to unrar something and it just fails... doesnt return anything except that it fails... !?	08:16
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funk	smb over ssh = http://mindterm.appgate.com/pipermail/mindterm-users/2002q1/000516.html might help..	08:16
randabis-laptop	which unrar are you using?	08:16
BROKEN_LADDER	smbmount "\\\MICAHC\*" /mnt/brokenladder/ -o username=,password=*****,ip=127.0.0.1	08:16
swim	randabis, 0.0.1 i think	08:17
randabis-laptop	there's a free and a nonfree one	08:17
BROKEN_LADDER	does that look correct?	08:17
jdub	funk: he already has a very clear document :)	08:17
randabis-laptop	the nonfree one tends to work better	08:17
jdub	BROKEN_LADDER: follow the documentation and experiment. you do not need our help.	08:17
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swim	randabis-laptop, from the repos...	08:17
thundrcleeze	night everyone. :)	08:17
randabis-laptop	should be a nonfree unrar in the repos	08:17
BROKEN_LADDER	i've followed the documentation..along with a computer engineer working in a prestigious part of intel.	08:17
BROKEN_LADDER	apparently we must both be idiots.	08:17
jdub	i'm sorry to hear that.	08:18
BROKEN_LADDER	because everything we've tried returns bizarre errors.	08:18
jdub	you might want to read a primer on ssh tunnelling	08:18
swim	randabis-laptop, hrmm I only see one in there ... hoary version anyways	08:18
BROKEN_LADDER	thanks funk	08:18
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Scooter	so with warty we are like Debian "testing"? TIA :)	08:18
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jdub	Scooter: no, warty is stable and released	08:19
jdub	Scooter: hoary is the current development branch	08:19
randabis-laptop	swim yeah there is a nonfree one in hoary, I'm currently using it	08:19
jdub	Scooter: there is no real analogue to 'testing'	08:19
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randabis-laptop	I think it is called rarnonfree or unrar-nonfree something like that	08:19
Scooter	I am getting some DEB packages, I need to know If i ned SID or WOODY	08:19
jdub	Scooter: don't mix ubuntu and debian	08:19
swim	randabis-laptop, i only see one in the hoary repos just called unrar	08:20
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Scooter	I need thishttp://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all&keywords=mame&sourceid=mozilla-search	08:20
Scooter	http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all&keywords=mame&sourceid=mozilla-search	08:20
jdub	Scooter: use universe and multiverse, which provide almost all of debian	08:20
Scooter	sorry	08:20
Scooter	Multiverse?	08:20
randabis-laptop	swim do you have multiverse enabled?	08:20
swim	randabis-laptop, no, what the heck is that ? :) I just migrated from arch-linux...	08:20
jdub	Scooter: universe and multiverse are additional, unsupported ubuntu repositories that cover all of debian (universe == the rest of debian main, multiverse == contrib/non-free)	08:21
randabis-laptop	you need to uncomment the universe and multiverse lines in /etc/apt/sources.list swim	08:21
otter	i think multiverse is for-pay stuff, universe is still opensource?	08:21
Scooter	COOL! are the repository addresses listed somewhare?	08:21
randabis-laptop	not necessarily pay for	08:21
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jdub	multiverse is just non-Free (capital F) for whatever reason	08:21
jdub	Scooter: see your sources.list	08:21
Scooter	Ah, Ok i look :)	08:22
jdub	Scooter: they're commented out by default	08:22
randabis-laptop	could be nonfree as in beer or freedom	08:22
Scooter	Ok cool :)	08:22
Scooter	Thankyou	08:22
bborkk	Is there a package that will install a Java plugin for Firefox?	08:23
swim	randabis-laptop, yup there it is unrar-nonfree ;)	08:23
randabis-laptop	there ya go	08:23
randabis-laptop	that one will work for most any rar file	08:23
swim	randabis-laptop, crazy it totally worked :)	08:24
randabis-laptop	yeah likely you had a newer rar file...the free unrar only works for very old rar files	08:24
funk	bborkk - No package but easy instructions here --> http://www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu/#mountunmountntfs	08:25
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swim	kewl	08:25
martok	Ubuntu!	08:25
bborkk	funk: Thanks... I'll take a look.	08:25
swim	oh btw people when I do a apt-get dist-upgrade should I uncomment universe, and multiverse first?	08:25
funk	np. good luck..	08:26
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randabis-laptop	swim probably a good idea	08:26
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funk	bbork, the better link is here.. http://www.myjavaserver.com/~mike001/ubuntu/#jre Install JRE and then the plugin.. Dont' know wy I copied the ntfs section.	08:27
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Scooter	Ok cool, I got Multiverse now, Thanks <jdub> :D	08:31
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smogger914	max@ubuntu:~ $ fakeroot alien -i kmud-1.0-1.src.rpm	08:31
smogger914	dpkg-deb: failed to create directory: Permission denied	08:31
smogger914	dpkg: error processing kmud_1.0-2_i386.deb (--install):	08:31
smogger914	subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2	08:31
smogger914	Errors were encountered while processing:	08:31
smogger914	kmud_1.0-2_i386.deb	08:31
smogger914	please help\	08:31
svenl	Anyone has trouble with DVD writing :	08:31
svenl	1001193472/4522905600 (22.1%) @0.0x, remaining 107:45	08:31
svenl	:-( unable to WRITE@LBA=775a0h: Input/output error	08:31
svenl	builtin_dd: 488864*2KB out @ average 0.4x1385KBps	08:31
svenl	:-( write failed: Input/output error	08:31
svenl	/dev/dvd: flushing cache	08:31
EvolutionR	I can't wait for the Gnome 2.10 it looks promising!	08:31
svenl	/dev/dvd: stopping de-icing	08:31
svenl	/dev/dvd: writing lead-out	08:31
EvolutionR	1 more month to go	08:32
smogger914	svenl can u help me i sent u message	08:33
smogger914	can anyone help me install rpm	08:34
svenl	not really.	08:34
svenl	i am not into alien and x86 stuff.	08:34
smogger914	can any one else help me	08:34
smogger914	how would U install it	08:34
smogger914	rpm file	08:34
svenl	So, is DVD burning broken in warthy ?	08:35
swim	hay guys trying to add an account to evolution, when I get to a particular place it crashes, I tried running it console to see where it crashed, and it crashes with thi: (evolution-2.2:11934): WARNING : Invalid borders specified for theme pixmap: /home/joshua/.themes/Outcrop/gtk-2.0/empty.png borders don't fit within the image	08:35
swim	any ideas?	08:35
funk	smogger, that's a src rpm.. I think you would have to rebuild it first.	08:36
funk	perhaps try alien -d	08:37
funk	-d, --to-deb Generate a Debian deb package (default).	08:37
smogger914	i did then what	08:37
funk	did it create a deb file?	08:37
smogger914	yes	08:37
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EvolutionR	funk: can u help me with my ubuntu connection?	08:38
EvolutionR	I have the desktop screenshot that I can send	08:38
funk	$ wajig install <.deb file> ???	08:39
funk	I haven't gone this route before (src rpm -> deb -> install)	08:39
swim	now thats bizzare hoary gnome doesnt have mail checker to add to panel?	08:39
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funk	EvolutionR - are you talking about that smb via ssh?	08:41
funk	cause I haven't ever tried it.	08:42
EvolutionR	funk: not	08:42
funk	what ya working on?	08:42
EvolutionR	is the adsl-start "conneted" but cant surf the web or ping websites!	08:42
swim	anyone else have problems with evolution crashing in hoary amd64?	08:43
EvolutionR	working on damn DSL rp pppoe , pppoeconf, Dhcp !	08:43
funk	ugh	08:43
EvolutionR	on ubuntu	08:43
EvolutionR	funk: status show "connected" but cant do anytning like surf web check email and so on	08:44
swim	apsodifh	08:44
EvolutionR	I have the screenshot of it ! I can send it to u?	08:45
EvolutionR	funk: I have the screenshot of it ! I can send it to u?	08:45
svenl	so ? Nobody did DVD burning in ubuntu ?	08:45
EvolutionR	svenl: I guess Ubuntu is not user friendly as other Distro!	08:45
funk	hold on Evo. Never used a ppoe connection..	08:46
mjr	svenl, I use growisofs of dvd+rw-tools as I'm used to	08:46
mjr	EvolutionR, trolling is not necessary	08:47
funk	ppoe requires a login and a password to function correct? This is a standard ethernet connection? Is there a router in the mix? Where is your system getting it's IP?	08:47
svenl	mjr: well, i did too, but it was burning at 0.4 speed, and failed at 12% or so.	08:47
svenl	EvolutionR: DVD burning is fucked on any kernel above 2.6.7	08:47
mjr	svenl, well, "works for me"	08:47
EvolutionR	svenl: one solution :) go to windows	08:47
svenl	mjr: on pure-amd64 install, and with a athlon 64 3200+ dual channel, so ...	08:47
funk	ooh Evo, that hurts..	08:48
randabis-laptop	a/me slaps EvolutionR	08:48
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mjr	svenl, on pure-amd64, with athlon 64 3500+, so	08:48
svenl	EvolutionR: yeah, problem, my windows partition has no space for the iso, i don't have DVD-burner client installed, and loosy windows cannot read ext3.	08:48
EvolutionR	seems he cant burn the damn dvd go to windows lor	08:48
randabis-laptop	...	08:49
EvolutionR	slap me wat for?	08:49
mjr	svenl, check that you have DMA on on the DVD drive	08:49
randabis-laptop	not everyone dual boots	08:49
EvolutionR	I only help him to ease his problem	08:49
otter	[it reports: Rebuilding the database. This may take some time.]	08:49
otter	sounds promising	08:49
mjr	svenl, hdparm /dev/[whatever] , and hdparm -d 1 /dev/[whatever] if it isn't	08:49
mjr	oh, as root, so add sudo	08:49
EvolutionR	well linux is kinda (on going -testing) alot of apps still not perferctly run smoothly - it takes time	08:50
otter	maybe i will come back in the morning and see ...	08:50
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mjr	(though I can burn fine even without DMA, this might not apply to all DVD burners)	08:50
randabis-laptop	linuxis a kernel	08:50
EvolutionR	sorry if I sound offended well this is true	08:51
mjr	have hdc: _NEC DVD_RW ND-2500A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive	08:51
svenl	mjr: on the disk or the DVD burner ?	08:51
EvolutionR	argh what's wrong with Ubuntu it wont let me surft net!!!!!!!	08:51
funk	Evo, how is your network setup?	08:52
mjr	svenl, on the drive - disks don't know about DMA, they only know about laser beams ;)	08:52
EvolutionR	I've done everything including pppoeconf, pppoe_dialer, disable IPv6 etc firefox	08:52
svenl	mjr: on the harddisk you mean, and DVD drives only know about laser beam ?	08:53
EvolutionR	I setup using Static ip XXXXX subnet : 255.255.255.0 gateway: 10.0.0.x	08:53
funk	I mean physically. Where is your computer getting it's IP. Is it DHCP, is there a router. Are we talking about some USB modem?	08:53
EvolutionR	DNS: 202.188.X.X , XXXXXXX	08:53
EvolutionR	DHCP!	08:53
EvolutionR	router	08:53
EvolutionR	Aztech 305E	08:53
EvolutionR	bridgemode	08:54
svenl	mjr: on the disk :	08:54
svenl	$ sudo hdparm -d /dev/sda	08:54
svenl	/dev/sda:	08:54
svenl	operation not supported on SCSI disks	08:54
mjr	svenl, oh, I'd be more worried about the DVD burner	08:54
funk	OK, so the router stores the username and password for the connection with the ISP right?	08:54
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EvolutionR	funk: nop	08:54
EvolutionR	I dont	08:54
EvolutionR	use that I use bridgemode	08:54
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EvolutionR	dialer to dial	08:55
EvolutionR	like winxp dialer	08:55
svenl	setting using_dma to 1 (on)	08:55
svenl	HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted	08:55
svenl	using_dma = 0 (off)	08:55
K-Rich	crimsun: can you tell me your repository again so i can reget mplayer on this box?	08:55
svenl	this sucks.	08:55
mjr	since at least for me, the DVD burner has no DMA on by default, while the hd has (but well, I have an IDE disk)	08:55
mjr	svenl, hdparm is for IDE drives only; your DVD burner is something else then?	08:55
svenl	mjr: nope.	08:56
svenl	plain ide one. /dev/hdc.	08:56
EvolutionR	funk: I dont put use the username & password on my router to connect to internet but by Bridge mode	08:56
funk	That seems odd to me.. I would think that the router would have the info and maintain the connection with the ISP. Get it's WAN address from them etc and then serve the LAN with DHCP and it's gateway address..	08:56
mjr	svenl, and the DVD burner said that "HDIO_SET_DMA failed"?	08:56
EvolutionR	funk: I try	08:56
svenl	mjr: sure.	08:56
EvolutionR	I look for the wan add	08:56
funk	Like I said, I haven't used PPOE but that seems like the logical setup to me.	08:57
svenl	but then, i also have in dmesg :	08:57
svenl	hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy }	08:57
svenl	hdc: irq timeout: error=0x00	08:57
svenl	hdc: ATAPI reset complete	08:57
mjr	svenl, bugger, that... Maybe your IDE chipset is not appropriately detected or supported by the kernel	08:58
K-Rich	anyone know the address of crimsun's repository off-hand ?	08:58
funk	My Linksys has a PPOE section and it contains the username and password and a "connect on demand" setting that I would think would be disabled (always on).	08:58
mjr	svenl, check the chipset and google around for any linux problems with dma with that, and/or ask on the forums etc	08:58
svenl	mjr: via ide ?	09:00
svenl	0000:00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)	09:00
svenl	that should be well supported,	09:00
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svenl	maybe trying to burn without dma brked the drive though, will try after a reboot,	09:01
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mjr	true, the drive may be just confused	09:02
swim	hrmm can anyone think of a reason why totem is not showing video ? only sound?	09:02
mjr	with luck, anyway :)	09:02
bborkk	funk: Thanks for the pointer... Firefox with the Java plugin is working now. Do you know why there is both a /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ and a /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/?	09:02
K-Rich	swim: try totem-xine	09:03
swim	K-Rich, hmm wasnt installed it seems	09:03
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larsrohdin	everytime i log in to x, nautilus opens my home directory, how can i make it stop?	09:04
swim	K-Rich, seems if I install totem-xine totem-gstreamer (which I dont think I care about) must be removed but then also ubuntu desktop! ?	09:04
swim	ubuntu-desktop that is	09:05
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K-Rich	swim: installing totem-zine will handle removing totem-gstreamer and ubuntu-desktop isn't a "real" package but i'm brain farting and can't think what kinda package it is, it's like smbolic or something	09:06
K-Rich	totem-xine even	09:06
swim	K-Rich, so it wont remove anything important? like ubuntu images or something? gdm or whatever?	09:06
K-Rich	nope	09:07
swim	ok then thx :)	09:07
K-Rich	all will be fine	09:07
swim	K-Rich, much better thank you !:)	09:08
K-Rich	np	09:08
swim	K-Rich, hehe though now its showing video and no sound! :P	09:08
K-Rich	ugh not good... did an error box pop up by chance saying the sound is in use?	09:10
swim	K-Rich, nope, nothing	09:10
K-Rich	odd... :/	09:10
K-Rich	not sure now... worked fine for me :/	09:11
swim	damn	09:13
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swim	that is so lame if I install totem-xine I get video and no sound, if I install totem-gstreamer I get sound and no video!	09:17
svenl	Arg, ubuntu sucks as much as debian.	09:18
svenl	Or maybe it is just X who sucks,	09:18
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svenl	just because i had my KVM switched away from the box, i know have no keyboard input :/	09:18
Falstius	that's why X is everybody's favorite little girl.	09:18
svenl	cannot even do CTR+Alt+BS :/	09:18
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mjr	sounds like your KVM sucks	09:19
sangriag	could anyone tell me what is the hostname fo the mirror from which Debian will be downloaded?	09:19
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sangriag	as Ubuntu64 installation is asking?	09:20
Falstius	we use a bunch of KVM switches at work ... when I get calls that they "aren't working" on some box it is usually because someone kicked one of the keyboard or mouse cables.	09:20
sangriag	http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ is this the one for warty?	09:20
mjr	a good KVM shouldn't give the computer even a hint about it being present, and X taking issue with it sounds like it's giving a hint	09:20
swim	K-Rich, I wonder if there is a way to tell totem what audio to use visavi esd	09:21
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mjr	anyways, I use x2x at work, no KVM needed	09:21
linux-rulz	does anyone know of any Canadian Tax software for Linux, or am I stuck with Windows in that department	09:21
svenl	mjr: no, X sucks.	09:22
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svenl	mjr: X does detection of keyboard, it finds no keyboard.	09:22
svenl	mjr: mjr it is a nice belkin 8 port KVM. probably because i have the keyboard and mouse usb connected.	09:23
svenl	Ah, strange, works now.	09:23
svenl	i guess X just needed time to find out about it ...	09:24
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daniels	svenl: sounds like your KVM is quite horrid, yes	09:25
linux-rulz	is gnucash or kmymoney capable of doing taxes?	09:25
svenl	daniels: nope.	09:25
svenl	X just needs time.	09:25
svenl	I think something is very very wrong with the kernel and DVD burners.	09:26
svenl	09:24 < daniels> svenl: sounds like your KVM is quite horrid, yes	09:26
svenl	sven@ubuntu:~ $ sudo hdparm /dev/hdc	09:26
svenl	Password:	09:26
svenl	/dev/hdc:	09:26
svenl	HDIO_GET_MULTCOUNT failed: Invalid argument	09:26
svenl	IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit)	09:26
svenl	unmaskirq = 0 (off)	09:26
svenl	using_dma = 0 (off)	09:26
svenl	keepsettings = 0 (off)	09:26
svenl	readonly = 0 (off)	09:26
svenl	readahead = 256 (on)	09:26
svenl	HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument	09:26
svenl	sven@ubuntu:~ $ sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc	09:26
svenl	/dev/hdc:	09:26
svenl	setting using_dma to 1 (on)	09:26
svenl	HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted	09:26
svenl	using_dma = 0 (off)	09:26
randabis-laptop	stop flooding	09:26
svenl	sven@ubuntu:~ $ sudo apt-get update	09:26
svenl	oh can that be ?	09:26
svenl	daniels: do you know if there are 2.6.10 kernels or so ?	09:26
mjr	svenl, the point is that the KVM should _at all times_ show up as a regular keyboard to the hosts, if it doesn't, it's broken	09:27
mjr	but shrug, gfy if it works	09:27
svenl	mjr: well, i believe it just acts as a USB hub when using usb for keyboard. and auto-plug/unplugs the keyboard/mouse.	09:28
svenl	mmm 09:26 < mjr> svenl, the point is that the KVM should _at all times_ show up as a regular keyboard to the hosts, if it	09:28
svenl	err,	09:28
svenl	doesn't, it's broken	09:28
svenl	should i use : amd64-generic or amd64-k8 ?	09:28
svenl	i guess the second.	09:28
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randabis-laptop	hmm	09:29
svenl	daniels: should i do something special for moving to X.org on ubuntu ? apt-get upgrade is not enough, right ? What about the config files ?	09:30
liquidhex	hi.. I am so excited that Ubuntu is the first distribution to actually recognize my ethernet card and work, and I installed the whole 540MB AMD64 iso (Warty Warthog or something) and Everything is great, but many things are not installed.. I must have missed an important part; i have no gcc	09:30
liquidhex	and apt-get install bitchx is a nogo, apt-get install irssi nope	09:31
liquidhex	what did i do wrong	09:31
dwa_	try using synaptic	09:31
liquidhex	whats that?	09:31
dwa_	you can easily search for the packages you want	09:31
mjr	probably nothing, probably you just want to add universe to apt sources (via synaptic or editing sources.list)	09:31
dwa_	it's a frontend to apt-get	09:31
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mjr	and apt-get install build-essential if you want gcc and stuff	09:31
liquidhex	see, where did I miss how to do those parts?	09:32
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liquidhex	so all i need to do is apt-get install build-essential	09:33
liquidhex	and apt-get install synaptic	09:33
liquidhex	off this fresh install?	09:33
dwa_	yes	09:33
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liquidhex	beautiful	09:34
dwa_	and add universe to your sources	09:34
liquidhex	through synaptic though?	09:34
liquidhex	right?	09:34
dwa_	yes	09:34
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liquidhex	ok great, thanks	09:34
liquidhex	ill be back	09:34
liquidhex	gonna reboot into linux	09:34
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svenl	well, that sucks. grub tells me file not found when booting the 2.6.10 kernel i just installed :/	09:35
dwa_	he.. was going to point him to the topic	09:35
dwa_	:)	09:35
Falstius	why doesn't gcc get installed by default ... that one did kind of irk me.	09:35
martok	What kernel does Warty come with?	09:35
martok	Version I mean.	09:35
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martok	Nevermind...	09:36
dwa_	falstius: because most people don;t need it	09:36
martok	gcc isn't installed by default?	09:36
martok	I've gotta see this.	09:36
dwa_	and the people who do, can install it easily	09:36
Falstius	dwa_: come on, I wanna see my mom try and recompile the kernel.	09:37
martok	Whoa, gcc isn't installed.	09:37
martok	Interesting.	09:37
martok	Ubuntu's kinda strange. But in a cool way.	09:38
Falstius	martok: like the man said, "apt-get install build-essentials"	09:38
svenl	martok: there is only so much space on a single CD.	09:38
jamesh	martok: "sudo apt-get build-essential"	09:38
jamesh	apt-get install, actually.	09:38
Falstius	svenl, actually gcc is on the CD it just doesn't get isntall.	09:38
jamesh	svenl: the compiler is on the CD	09:38
martok	Couldn't I just sudo apt-get gcc install?	09:38
Falstius	martok: the build-essential is a wrapper package for gcc and g++ etc.	09:39
martok	Oh, ok. I wasn't sure.	09:39
Falstius	but yes, you could.	09:39
dwa_	falstius: my mom doesn't even know how to turn the computer on..	09:39
dwa_	:)	09:39
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liquidhex	how convenient; it already came with irssi ;/	09:40
liquidhex	i typed irc and it worked lol	09:40
martok	Why do I have to use the CD?	09:40
martok	For build-essential?	09:41
liquidhex	I'm having one more small problem though; in ./configure im getting an error about -ltermcap, and its telling me to install ncurses-devel, but there is no such package!	09:41
liquidhex	martok: you dont	09:41
liquidhex	i just did it	09:41
martok	It told me to enter the CD and press enter.	09:41
ajmitch	liquidhex: libncurses-dev	09:41
liquidhex	ajmitch: you rule	09:41
liquidhex	thanks	09:41
svenl	Mmm, i guess my booting problems are because my bios numbers disks differently than linux :/	09:41
martok	I have like 8 repositories.	09:42
Falstius	martok: remove the CD from the list of sources.	09:42
martok	It's not on the list.	09:42
martok	Oh wait.	09:43
martok	Yeah it is.	09:43
svenl	Mmm, even when rebooting to 2.6.10, still no DVD dma setting.	09:43
martok	Sorry about that.	09:43
K-Rich	hey all i have gaim 1.0... where can i get an update, what repository	09:43
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Falstius	martok: no problem, just a mental "tick .. tick .. tick ... ding!"	09:43
martok	Heh	09:44
martok	I'm new to all this apt stuff.	09:44
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randabis-laptop	darn my friend is still having problems	09:45
randabis-laptop	K-Rich, ubuntu backports	09:46
sangriag	archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ is reported to be bad archive mirro by ubuntu installer?	09:46
sangriag	anyone knows which is the good one?	09:47
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neighborlee	I changed warty to hoary in apt sources and installed new nvidia-glx...rebooted ( to find tons of seeming duplicate entries in grub menu) and while I got kernel to boot ok I had trouble with nvidia driver ..it said kernel module was 6111 yet something else was 6629 ??? ( so I had to revert to warty and reinstall 6111 nvidia driver)	09:52
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neighborlee	K-Rich, was there a sollutin to the 2.6.8.1 problem you said you'd experienced with nvidia install ? ;-)	09:52
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randabis-laptop	daniels, you there?	09:54
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duckdown	If I have an AMD64 3500+ Socket939, in kernel configuration under Processor Family do I pick GENERIC X86-64 or AMD-Operton/Athlon64	09:55
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sangriag	I already have the partitions for /home, /boot, /, /swap, /var, /tmp which I created before booting to ubuntu installer, could anyone tell me how to assign different partitions to different directory mounting?	09:56
randabis-laptop	i'd assume you'd pick athlon64	09:56
K-Rich	neighborlee: not that i could find	09:56
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sangriag	I am at the Partition Disks stage in the installer.	09:57
K-Rich	anywho, i'm off til sometime tommorow i guess	09:57
K-Rich	later all	09:57
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randabis-laptop	this is a pain	10:00
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Falstius	sangriag: you select the partition and the "use as" and change that. Don't have the installer infront of me.	10:04
Falstius	unless you're setting up a server though, that many partitions is probably overkill.	10:05
AfgBaby	anyone here have experience dealing w/ the linksys wusb54g or wusb54gs?	10:06
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SolitudeX	Hey, is anyone home?	10:07
AfgBaby	hey	10:07
martok	Greetings.	10:07
SolitudeX	Hello :-)	10:08
SolitudeX	I am having a problem, perhaps you can help me out?	10:08
AfgBaby	My linux is a little rusty but I can try	10:08
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AfgBaby	been using xp pro for a while )-; ... cant switch back till I figure out my wireless usb adapter	10:08
SolitudeX	Ha ha, likewise. Well, I have just tried installing ubuntu. The first stage of the install went sweet. However on reboot, GRUB reports an error 18. Not sure what this means or how to correct it, any thoughts?	10:09
martok	Is it on a laptop?	10:09
SolitudeX	No, on a desktop PC.	10:09
Falstius	SolitudeX: when does grub report the error, before or after giving you boot options?	10:10
SolitudeX	I am not so hot with GRUB - I used to use LILO. Heh go figure.	10:10
SolitudeX	It says "GRUB Loading stage1.5" "GRUB loading, please wait..." "Error 18".	10:10
SolitudeX	So I would assume before it gives me boot options.	10:11
martok	Hmm...	10:11
martok	I've had a similar error trying to boot the Live CD.	10:11
Falstius	sounds like grub was installed pointing to the wrong directory	10:11
SolitudeX	Hmmm.	10:11
Falstius	you could reinstall grub (not such a terrible thing) but I've never seen that error before.	10:12
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SolitudeX	Ha ha, I spose it wouldn't hurt to learn something new. Problem is, once I reinstall grub, will the ubuntu install continue?	10:12
Falstius	yes, it should. What you need to do is reinstall grub and tell it where to locate its config files, probably the /boot/grub directory of your ubuntu install.	10:14
randabis-laptop	grr this is so stange...	10:14
SolitudeX	Ahhh ok. That makes sense to me. I spose the grub site will be a good starting point.	10:14
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svenl	Again it died :	10:14
Falstius	yeah ... I have this book marked somewhere but I'm in the wrong distro.	10:14
svenl	1003094016/4522905600 (22.2%) @0.0x, remaining 103:27	10:14
svenl	:-( unable to WRITE@LBA=77940h: Input/output error	10:14
svenl	builtin_dd: 489792*2KB out @ average 0.4x1385KBps	10:14
svenl	:-( write failed: Input/output error	10:14
svenl	/dev/dvd: flushing cache	10:14
svenl	/dev/dvd: stopping de-icing	10:14
svenl	/dev/dvd: writing lead-out	10:14
SolitudeX	Cheers guys, that was informative. I will stick around here from time to time, who knows I might be able to help someone one day, heh.	10:15
duckdown	About GRUB.. I'm just finishing compiling 2.6.10, and I copied bzImage to /boot/grub/kernel-2.6.10 .. where is the initrd file though for my new kernel?	10:18
Falstius	duckdown, you have to create it if you need it	10:20
Falstius	but if you compiled support for all your file systems into the kernel you don't need it.	10:21
duckdown	Hrm	10:21
Falstius	(just leave that entry out of menu.1st)	10:21
duckdown	why does the default menu.lst contain so many of them	10:21
duckdown	for all of the default booting	10:22
Falstius	because when people write distros they can't tailor the kernel to peoples machines and they don't want to compile in hundreds of modules.	10:22
duckdown	Oh :]	10:22
duckdown	thanks.. i guess ill try without it when this is done compiling	10:23
Falstius	duckdown, you didn't overwrite your current kernel did you?	10:23
randabis-laptop	mkinitrd is the command to make a initrd	10:23
duckdown	Falstius: god no	10:23
duckdown	hehe	10:23
Falstius	duckdown: then try and see is a valid option :)	10:24
duckdown	:>	10:24
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randabis-laptop	odds are it won't boot without an initrd unless you made sure to include everything you need in the kernel	10:24
duckdown	d0h	10:25
duckdown	Well say it doesn't boot, isn't this initrd.gz file created at the time of compiling? so I can just copy it to /boot/grub and add a initrd= entry under my new kernel?	10:25
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randabis-laptop	duckdown it isn't created at compile unless you tell it to create one	10:28
randabis-laptop	anyone know the command to check which video driver is running?	10:29
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EvolutionR	From Arctic: if you are using a dsl-router, a dns-server-bug in the 2.6 kernel is the most problable troublemaker (=constant flooding protection by kernel, although there is no flooding). i am suffering from it, too. you can do two three things: <=is that true kernel 2.6 have the bug?	10:29
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fabbione	EH?	10:32
fabbione	the kernel does NOT have a dns server	10:32
EvolutionR	I got this from the http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3643.html	10:33
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randabis-laptop	ARGH this is so annoying	10:33
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fabbione	EvolutionR: do you believe that Elvis is still alive? ;)	10:33
fabbione	EvolutionR: that stuff is wrong...	10:34
EvolutionR	ahhahah	10:34
EvolutionR	okie	10:34
randabis-laptop	two of my friends have the same radeon igp 345m, each are running the same config, one friend's dri works, the other one's does not	10:34
randabis-laptop	this makes absolutely no sense at all	10:34
EvolutionR	fabbione: I have the no connection exactly like them http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3643.html	10:35
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fabbione	let me read the thread	10:35
EvolutionR	okie	10:36
fabbione	EvolutionR: ok. let's check a couple of things...	10:36
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EvolutionR	3.) install a 2.4 kernel. the 2.4 series does not have this problem. i opted for this solution and currently use a 2.4.27 kernel	10:37
fabbione	and please do NOT paste the output in this chan	10:37
fabbione	nah	10:37
EvolutionR	is that true?	10:37
EvolutionR	okie	10:37
fabbione	show me the output of ifconfig	10:37
fabbione	in private or something	10:37
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manchot	if I downloaded .deb packages manually, how do I install them	10:39
satan_	dpkg -i pack.deb	10:40
manchot	the reason I ask is because the source address : deb http://211.100.7.181/~liling/debian/ttfonts/ ./	10:40
manchot	does not work even though I added it.	10:40
satan_	/./?	10:40
manchot	satan_, could you check the source address mention above?	10:40
thoreauputic	manchot: sudo dpkg -i <nameofpackage>	10:41
satan_	no time, im out	10:41
satan_	stupid work :(	10:41
manchot	thoreauputic, are you the guy that has a degree of English literature?	10:42
manchot	what's wrong with this source address: deb http://211.100.7.181/~liling/debian/ttfonts/ ./	10:42
thoreauputic	manchot: heh... from long ago, yes ;)	10:42
manchot	its for debian, I thought it should work for ubuntu	10:42
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manchot	thoreauputic, have you seen amphi recently. I lost him for a long time	10:43
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thoreauputic	manchot: no, but I haven't been on IRC much lately	10:43
Falstius	you could turn one of your directories into a local repository for apt ... makes installing updates easier	10:45
svenl	Mmm.	10:45
svenl	fabbione: you there ?	10:45
svenl	Or anyone with kernel knowledge ?	10:45
fabbione	svenl: busy atm	10:45
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svenl	fabbione: i am trying to burn DVDs, but it fails hooribly, and i noticed that i can't enable DMA for /dev/hdc	10:46
svenl	fabbione: is there a way to workaround the DMA_DISKONLY config option that is set with ubuntu kernels ?	10:46
svenl	fabbione: oh well.	10:47
svenl	fabbione: i will be leaving soon, can you /msg me when you have time to reply to the above ?	10:47
Falstius	svenl: set up your dvd drive with scsi emulation otherwise you can't do dma with cdrecord (so far as I know)	10:47
svenl	Falstius: i thought scsi emulation was obsoleted in 2.6 kernels.	10:48
svenl	Falstius: and it worked fine in cdrecord with dvd patch on real debian, so i am baffled.	10:48
thoreauputic	svenl: it is (deprecated at least)	10:48
Falstius	that depends on whether you ask the kernel maintainers or the cdrecord guy (who seems to have a personal grudge against ATAPI)	10:48
fabbione	svenl: yes. you can rebuild the kernel, but on i386 i can just use hdparam and it works	10:48
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svenl	fabbione: not for me :	10:49
svenl	sven@ubuntu:~/jigdo $ sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc	10:49
svenl	/dev/hdc:	10:49
svenl	setting using_dma to 1 (on)	10:49
svenl	HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted	10:49
svenl	using_dma = 0 (off)	10:49
svenl	fabbione: and burning writes at 0.4x speed, and fails after 22% or so.	10:49
svenl	fabbione: but then, i am on amd64 ...	10:50
fabbione	svenl: try building a kernel tha allows to set DMA on non-disk devices and see if it really works	10:51
manchot	could anyone take a look at this source: deb http://211.100.7.181/~liling/debian/ttfonts/ ./ and why it does not work?	10:51
fabbione	that's my only suggestion	10:51
svenl	fabbione: but dvd burnig should work ?	10:51
svenl	i upgraded to 2.6.10 from 2.6.8, since there where known problems in 2.6.8.	10:51
svenl	fabbione: is there a reportbug or similar ubuntu BTS for such kind of problems ?	10:52
fabbione	svenl: http://bugzilla.u.c/	10:52
fabbione	svenl: no dvd/cd burning might be compromised by missing dma	10:52
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svenl	fabbione: yeah, but DMA needs to be enabled by default, so it is another bug (and one you may be responsible for :)	10:54
svenl	fabbione: i can just apt-get source linux-source-2.6.10, modify the .config and build it ?	10:54
fabbione	svenl: what version of the kernel are you running?	10:54
svenl	fabbione: is it easy to disable the other kernels ? I need only one, not 4 copies of them ?	10:54
svenl	fabbione: Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-2-amd64-k8 #1 Wed Jan 19 17:21:54 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux	10:54
fabbione	the packaging is similar to debian	10:55
svenl	fabbione: todays hoary.	10:55
fabbione	debian/config/amd64/	10:55
svenl	fabbione: well, i do powerpc kernels for debian, and there are individual packages.	10:55
svenl	fabbione: for powerpc packages, i just need to edit debian/flavours, and put only the image i want there.	10:55
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randabis	YAY we finially sorted this mess out	10:59
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ThePoet	hi guys	11:00
ThePoet	and Girls	11:00
AfgBaby	what advantages does ubuntu have over using just regular debian?	11:01
AfgBaby	other than ease of install?	11:01
svenl	fabbione: should i worry about those : Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/kernel-wedge/commands/gen-control line 161.	11:01
HrdwrBoB	AfgBaby: ease of use, updated packagews	11:02
fabbione	svenl: no. harmless	11:02
AfgBaby	HrdwrBoB: updated as in even newer than debian unstable?	11:03
topyli	AfgBaby: i switched from unstable to ubuntu because i didn't want the excitement of the daily updates	11:04
HrdwrBoB	AfgBaby: in some cases	11:04
HrdwrBoB	AfgBaby: but generally less wacky breaking of stuff than deb unstable	11:04
AfgBaby	topyli: what do you mean? that suggests that unstable is newer	11:04
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HrdwrBoB	AfgBaby: the stable ubuntu uses modern up to date software	11:05
topyli	AfgBaby: basically, ubuntu freezes unstable every 6 months for testing, then releases	11:05
AfgBaby	hmmm	11:05
topyli	AfgBaby: plus, ubuntu releases on the same day as gnome does :)	11:06
AfgBaby	I probly would end up using somethin other than gnome	11:06
AfgBaby	gnome isnt too bad, but Im into lighter wm's like xfce and fluxbox	11:07
AfgBaby	but Id use gnome over kde anyday	11:07
topyli	AfgBaby: sorry, ubuntu releases the "preview" on gnome release day. anyway, we get the latest gnome sooner than debian does	11:07
AfgBaby	o	11:07
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HrdwrBoB	well the gnome release manager, oddly enough is also the ubuntu release manager :)	11:08
topyli	AfgBaby: ubuntu's desktop is gnome. everything else is unsupported. that's another difference with debian, they only support a subset of unstable	11:08
AfgBaby	o	11:08
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svenl	fabbione: does ubuntu have write support on NTFS partition enabled ?	11:09
topyli	but they do package almost everything, it's just not supported	11:09
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fabbione	svenl: no, it's all in the config files	11:10
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topyli	svenl: it's in the kernel, but i think you have to set up fstab yourself. i'm not sure	11:11
svenl	fabbione: i enabled it already, but maybe it is too dangerous ? I need to burn a DVD iso, and if i can't fix in in ubuntu, i will have to move the DVD iso to the NTFS partition and burn from windows :/	11:12
svenl	topyli: # CONFIG_NTFS_RW is not set	11:12
AfgBaby	are distros coming w/ reiser4 these days?	11:12
svenl	topyli: so i think not.	11:12
fabbione	svenl: it's EXPERIMENTAL	11:12
svenl	AfgBaby: reiserfs eats filesystem for breakfast.	11:12
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Agrajag	AfgBaby: it's not even in the kernel yet.	11:13
topyli	svenl: not read-write. i wouldn't use that anyway	11:13
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AfgBaby	really?	11:13
Agrajag	I think mm is the only patchset that includes it now	11:13
AfgBaby	I thought it was released	11:13
sangriag	could anyone guide me to my problem posted here? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=52804#post52804	11:13
Agrajag	otherwise you have to add it yourself	11:13
svenl	fabbione: ok, but no particular bad experience, just prudence.	11:13
fabbione	i dunno... i don't have windows anywhere...	11:13
svenl	AfgBaby: well, at least on powerpc, it has no good track record. I wouldn't trust it.	11:14
svenl	fabbione: i wish i could do the same.	11:14
svenl	i wish DVD burning would work hassleless.	11:14
svenl	oh well.	11:14
AfgBaby	Ive used it b4	11:14
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AfgBaby	hadnt really had any problems	11:14
AfgBaby	that was months ago	11:14
svenl	ever since i switched to 2.6 kernels there where problems.	11:14
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svenl	topyli: and ? is fat32 enough to put 4.5GB files on it ?	11:15
topyli	svenl: dunno, probably not	11:15
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svenl	fabbione: how long is a kernel build for you usually ?	11:15
topyli	got to go to work, as batman says	11:16
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fabbione	svenl: god.. i don't know.. on concordia it takes me less than 5 minutes (amd64	11:16
fabbione	svenl: it depends from your hardware man	11:16
fabbione	and how much stuff you stick in the config	11:17
fabbione	and if you use ccache	11:17
fabbione	and so on...	11:17
fabbione	or even if you fork the build process...	11:17
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EvolutionR	Hi!	11:17
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EvolutionR	where's that guy? forgot his nickname	11:19
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Agrajag	reiser4 is released, but it is not in linux yet	11:23
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svenl	fabbione: amd64 3200+, standard dpkg-buildpackage, no ccache trick.	11:26
fabbione	svenl: i dunno know.. and i cannot know..	11:27
fabbione	there is no way to estimate that	11:27
svenl	fabbione: well. it takes you less than 5 minutes, but that is not for the standard config with all modules, i guess.	11:28
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fabbione	svenl: yes.. it's full ubuntu config.. but concordia (where i build) is a dual opteron with 2Gb of ram and do make -j 400	11:28
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svenl	fabbione: hehe.	11:30
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svenl	fabbione: also, i wonder about the dma-ideonly stuff, what i knew about it was that it caused roblems on some lder motherboards.	11:32
svenl	i doubt older motherboards run amd64 though. :)	11:32
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EvolutionR	come across when error synchronising ntp.ubuntulinux.org failed at boot up? how to disable this thing?	11:41
gsuveg	once ?	11:41
EvolutionR	Any my time at the Taskbar always mess up	11:41
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EvolutionR	gsuveg: then how u fix it?	11:42
EvolutionR	gsuveg: it took a long time to boot	11:42
gsuveg	EvolutionR: chmod -x /etc/init.d/ntpdate	11:43
EvolutionR	The time on my taskbar alwasy change? how come? I've changed it to my local time then when I reboot it changed to other time?	11:43
gsuveg	EvolutionR: next: read the ubuntuguide.org	11:43
EvolutionR	gsuveg: ok	11:43
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EvolutionR	the website is confusing me, is not organise in category	11:44
EvolutionR	like the howto/ guide	11:44
Djrom	taymauche	11:44
pitti	plovs: ping	11:44
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bugz_	what bootloader is ubuntu using?	11:44
proudhon	hiya peeps. dear devs_ sudos nice & all. but this n00b just wants to set his root user. can someonehelp me	11:44
zeedo	proudhon: sudo su -	11:45
bugz_	hello...	11:45
zeedo	set a password using passwd	11:45
EvolutionR	gsuveg: I've followed ur command what's next?	11:46
proudhon	like "sudo su - passw	11:46
bugz_	zeedo, what bootloader is ubuntu using?	11:46
zeedo	bugz_: grub	11:46
proudhon	confused	11:46
bugz_	thanks	11:46
HrdwrBoB	zeedo: dude, sudo -s	11:46
HrdwrBoB	gives you a root shel	11:46
HrdwrBoB	l	11:46
proudhon	sorry, try again it says	11:46
zeedo	HrdwrBoB: ahh yeh :)	11:47
gsuveg	EvolutionR: sudo chmod ...	11:47
gsuveg	sorry	11:47
proudhon	passwords allways wrong	11:47
EvolutionR	proudhon: u can run root at Apps=>system tools	11:47
proudhon	i cant	11:47
proudhon	dont know the password becouse i dont knowwho to set it up	11:48
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proudhon	that wasmy question	11:48
HrdwrBoB	proudhon: it's your password	11:48
proudhon	n00b here use to use suse really sorry	11:48
EvolutionR	ohhh	11:48
HrdwrBoB	the password to your account	11:48
HrdwrBoB	that's how sudo works	11:48
HrdwrBoB	there's only one password	11:48
EvolutionR	yeah the sudo password is the normal account user password	11:48
proudhon	aha	11:49
EvolutionR	am I right?	11:49
proudhon	that explains stuuf	11:49
proudhon	:-)	11:49
proudhon	ofcours how silly	11:49
HrdwrBoB	proudhon: sudo generally makes sense	11:49
HrdwrBoB	you only use it when you need to	11:49
HrdwrBoB	instead of doing lots of things as root	11:49
EvolutionR	<proudhon that explains stuuf <- which one?	11:49
proudhon	sudo has to have one and since only one user exists he stole it from him haha	11:50
HrdwrBoB	proudhon: nono, sudo is a process	11:50
proudhon	so my root passw must be my user passw	11:50
HrdwrBoB	no	11:50
HrdwrBoB	give me a minute to explain	11:50
HrdwrBoB	the system is configured to allow you full sudo access	11:50
proudhon	i want a root passw plz gimme gimme	11:50
HrdwrBoB	as a further method of making sure that people don't abuse it	11:50
HrdwrBoB	when you use sudo	11:51
EvolutionR	<proudhon: Ubuntu style diffrently froom those distro (root password)	11:51
HrdwrBoB	you have to put your own password in again	11:51
proudhon	well i have to install stiif into /usr/local	11:51
HrdwrBoB	proudhon: prefix the command with sudo	11:51
proudhon	i cant becouse my maps arnt writeable	11:51
HrdwrBoB	SUperuser DO	11:51
EvolutionR	gsuveg: how to edit the ntpdate?	11:51
proudhon	u mean i have to do all those things by terminal	11:52
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EvolutionR	proudhon: of course if u use Ubuntu ehhehehe	11:52
proudhon	man o man, now i have to learn the old commands again	11:52
proudhon	well thanks peeps	11:53
proudhon	:-)	11:53
EvolutionR	root@ubuntu:/etc/init.d # ntpdate	11:53
EvolutionR	22 Jan 02:44:52 ntpdate[9317] : no servers can be used, exiting	11:53
Djrom	lol	11:53
proudhon	can i hang out here btw. or u peeps kick idlers ?	11:53
EvolutionR	u see my time is all wrong it display 2 am here in sabah is 8 pm	11:53
proudhon	lol	11:54
EvolutionR	guys how to edit ntpdate?	11:54
EvolutionR	this sychronising ntp.ubuntulinux.org fail is very annoyed!	11:55
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EvolutionR	at boot up screen	11:55
gsuveg	have u net at boot ? or ?	11:55
EvolutionR	I dont net at boot man	11:55
proudhon	ive an idea, i can sudo run nautilus right ?	11:55
EvolutionR	I use dialer	11:55
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SirPsy	mornin	11:57
Hwolf	Hey. Does anyone know how to enable xvideo on the new xorg fglrx drivers?	11:57
EvolutionR	no answer?	11:58
EvolutionR	gtg eat dinner	11:58
EvolutionR	bye	11:58
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SirPsy	I got a problem with my ubuntu :/ on boot i get some pnp error and it suggest to put the option nobiospnp somewhere	11:58
proudhon	it works hihi	11:58
proudhon	i cheated the root	11:58
proudhon	sudo is a handy thing	11:58
proudhon	:P	11:58
SirPsy	so i tried to edit my grub but i dont know where to put it	11:58
SirPsy	the nobiospnp part	11:59
Hwolf	sirpsy, most grub options are in /boot/grub/menu.lst	11:59
proudhon	he peeps am testing something called simp_server for msn. sorda pgp encryption system.	12:00
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SirPsy	k will check tha	12:00
SirPsy	t	12:00
SirPsy	and this is my biggest prob	12:00
SirPsy	i cant seem to set the linkspeed of my intel network card	12:00
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SirPsy	ultimatly when ever i touch or change a setting it completely dies	12:01
proudhon	if i get it to work can i get it listed on ure propetary section, as an option if the corp guys agree	12:01
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proudhon	its closed cource i know.its evil. by now	12:02
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proudhon	:)	12:02
proudhon	cu	12:02
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alexrait	hello, maybe my sources are too old, but I somehow I can't find the new mozilla-firefox in the repositories...	12:02
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SuSE\|UsER	alexrait, looking for 1.0?	12:03
t31	hi guys ive installed ati drivers up to the ubuntu wiki and now works like hell, how can i uninstall it?	12:04
alexrait	SuSE\|UsER, yes	12:05
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SuSE\|UsER	alexrait, you have to add backport repository to apt-get	12:05
alexrait	SuSE\|UsER, where can I find it?	12:06
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SuSE\|UsER	http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/ warty-backports main universe	12:06
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seafood	looking for specific ubunto packkage wich contains libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3	12:09
G2	can I apt-get dist-upgrade from warty to hoary?	12:10
alexrait	SuSE\|UsER, thanx it includes what I need.	12:10
SuSE\|UsER	np	12:10
SuSE\|UsER	g2 Yes you can	12:10
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Hwolf	Hey. Does anyone know how to enable xvideo on the new xorg fglrx drivers?	12:13
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G2	SuSE\|UsER: what lines do I need to paste/change in source.list and if any packages need upgrading first?	12:16
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SuSE\|UsER	warty -> hoary :)	12:17
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seafood	nobody ?	12:19
seafood	does glibc contain em :?	12:19
seafood	need to get this thing to fix depenancies	12:19
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G2	Lets see if I'm back after this upgrade vi apt-get	12:22
seafood	http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:N74Z-AOO594J:www.linuxcompatible.org/story35920.html+ubuntu+libstdc%2B%2B-libc6.2-2.so.3&hl=en	12:22
bloodwulf	anyone get vmware 4.5.2 working with ubuntu	12:22
seafood	found it meself, thanks allot for the help guys	12:22
seafood	:\|	12:23
choisy	where can I find hoary daily isos?	12:23
bloodwulf	how old is the ubuntu project	12:24
G2	did you guys here Mark Shuttleworths interview on linuxradio.org ?	12:25
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SuSE\|UsER	choisy, http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/	12:26
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choisy	SuSE\|UsER: thanks, I had just found it ;)	12:27
SuSE\|UsER	:)	12:27
choisy	how stable is hoary these days?	12:27
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siretart	choisy: the last weeks it was very usable. you should rather ask how many updates a day are flowing into hoary	12:29
choisy	siretart: many?	12:29
G2	should I apt-get dist-upgrade then?	12:29
siretart	I download abount 10-20mb a day, for a small desktop/notebook system. thats quite a lot	12:29
choisy	siretart: indeed ;)	12:29
kebac	:P	12:30
kebac	10-20MB of updates / day?	12:31
Hwolf	Does anyone know how to enable xvideo on the new xorg fglrx drivers?	12:31
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_4strO	yop yop	12:33
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Sophos	Please suggest a applicable (fee) anti-virus software. And send instructions to install without install-problems.	12:36
Sophos	Cheers, Sophos	12:36
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siretart	Sophos: I use f-prot	12:37
SuSE\|UsER	Sophos, you can use clamav	12:37
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Sophos	Right. I tried to get f-prot installed, but strangely failed. Do you know a solution?	12:40
HrdwrBoB	Sophos: what do you need it for	12:40
HrdwrBoB	I use clamav	12:40
Sophos	Regular protection.	12:41
Agrajag	of...?	12:41
HrdwrBoB	from what?	12:41
Hwolf	Sophos, when is the last time you heard about a tux exploit / virus that wasn't promptly countered within hours/days?	12:41
HrdwrBoB	I get my regular protection in the toiletries isle	12:42
Agrajag	are you running an email server?	12:42
Sophos	Well that's funny, but doesn't comply with my question.	12:45
HrdwrBoB	Sophos: the facilities for 'virus scanning' as it happens in the windows world	12:46
HrdwrBoB	simply do not exist for linux	12:46
HrdwrBoB	because they have never been necessary	12:46
zeedo	HrdwrBoB: erm not quite true	12:47
HrdwrBoB	perhaps one day they will, however currently it's not the case	12:47
zeedo	Sophos the company, have antivirus for linux	12:47
HrdwrBoB	zeedo: I mean in terms of a desktop PC watching memory and all files you open etc etfc	12:47
HrdwrBoB	there's quite a few AV's for linux	12:47
zeedo	HrdwrBoB: me too	12:47
HrdwrBoB	and they all run on mailservers	12:47
zeedo	Sophos does just that	12:47
HrdwrBoB	well, phileus T barnam has something to say about that :)	12:48
HrdwrBoB	I think that was his name	12:48
HrdwrBoB	something abut one born every minute	12:48
zeedo	http://www.sophos.com/products/sav/eval/	12:49
zeedo	the list of systems you can use it on are there	12:49
zeedo	they includ windows, os/2 macosx, linux, aix, unixware ..............	12:49
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gt500	hell0w peepz :D	12:50
gt500	i'm back :p	12:50
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HrdwrBoB	zeedo: and it operates as it would on a windows systemA	12:51
HrdwrBoB	?	12:51
zAo^	wb gt500	12:51
HrdwrBoB	with gui config, etc etc	12:51
zeedo	HrdwrBoB: pretty much yes	12:51
zeedo	yes	12:51
gt500	ty zAo^ :)	12:51
zeedo	HrdwrBoB: its a client os AV, not a mailscanner	12:52
HrdwrBoB	how recently has that come about?	12:52
HrdwrBoB	and how much money are they rorting from people for it	12:52
zeedo	HrdwrBoB: for quite a while	12:52
zeedo	HrdwrBoB: linux viruses do exist	12:52
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HrdwrBoB	I know they exist	12:52
HrdwrBoB	but generally they are not 'viruses' per se	12:53
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HrdwrBoB	not that anything is these days	12:53
zeedo	HrdwrBoB: depends on your definiton, lets just say malware	12:53
HrdwrBoB	and for the most part get thwarted by the sheer diversity of systems	12:53
zeedo	which I know is rather broad	12:53
HrdwrBoB	I would go so far as to say running an anti virus on your desktop linux PC is almost entirely pointless	12:54
HrdwrBoB	currently	12:54
gt500	hhmm .. why doesn't my numlock activate when i boot ubuntu >(	12:54
zeedo	yes atm its not entirely useful, but it does exist and probably will become more useful	12:54
kebac	gt500: check your bios settings	12:54
HrdwrBoB	zeedo: well tbh given the nature of linux, I doubt that too	12:54
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HrdwrBoB	because it's much easier to fix the root cause	12:54
HrdwrBoB	than a bandaid solution	12:55
zeedo	HrdwrBoB: the root cause of most malware infections is users	12:55
gt500	kebac, i did , looked over it .. probably	12:55
zeedo	the virus and worms that makle biggest impact often do it long after a patch is available	12:55
zeedo	HrdwrBoB: want to talk about this in pvt, Im concerned we might be flooding the chan with talk thats not quite ubuntu support related	12:55
HrdwrBoB	zeedo: #ubuntu-offtopic, agreed	12:56
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Falstius	turning on numlock usually happens in an rc script. Don't know how it is specified in ubuntu.	12:57
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Sophos	Thanks for your technical opinion for the matter.	01:01
seafood	can somone help me plz. question about this product am running on ubuntu http://www.secway.fr/products/simpserver/home.php?PARAM=us,ie	01:01
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seafood	i cant seem to find any documention on how to create a keypair or stuff	01:02
Falstius	gt500: check /etc/console-tools/config and uncomment the last line	01:02
seafood	i mean it seems to be working but i dont get it, the windows program made create a key pgp setup and all	01:03
gt500	Falstius, i'll take a look ;)	01:03
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setite	ok all	01:03
setite	im trying firefox	01:03
gt500	Falstius, thx ^_^	01:04
gt500	and one last question	01:04
setite	i finally got tired of a few ticks in opera	01:04
Adrenal	my firefox is dying	01:04
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gt500	does anyone know how you change the keybord layout off your login screen ?	01:04
Adrenal	gonna have to reinstall ubuntu soon	01:04
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setite	and the things i hated about firefox were just a part of the ubuntu version... 1.0 works fine	01:04
setite	someone help me though	01:04
setite	its slow!	01:04
setite	i was told its because of the pipes or someshit but i cant find that	01:04
Adrenal	what is?	01:04
setite	firefox	01:04
Adrenal	oh, i can help you	01:05
Adrenal	msg me your msn	01:05
Adrenal	i have some files to optimize the settings	01:05
setite	opera was instantaneous... but buggy... this isn't buggy but is slow	01:05
setite	i need new files? isnt there another way	01:05
Falstius	gt500: you want to change the layout the login screen uses or change it from the login screen?	01:05
Adrenal	again, message me your msn	01:05
gt500	Falstius, the keybord layout ...	01:06
Adrenal	actually, no need	01:06
Adrenal	just wjat connection u on?	01:06
gt500	login screen = qwerty , ubuntu desktop = azerty	01:06
odyssey	setite, its probably using ipv6	01:06
Adrenal	dialup, adsl or cable?	01:06
gt500	(changed that in keybord settings)	01:06
setite	cable	01:07
Falstius	hmm, grep -ri layout /etc	01:07
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Adrenal	do what the text says	01:07
odyssey	so will hoary have gnome 2.10?	01:07
gt500	Falstius, :p and now look i presume :p	01:08
Adrenal	oh, no need to thank me, i'll just sit here in the corner and cry	01:09
HrdwrBoB	odyssey: yes	01:09
Falstius	shrug there are a LOT of entries. Probably need something alittle less general than that.	01:09
Adrenal	when is the next ubuntu release due?	01:09
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setite	haha thanks man	01:09
Falstius	I should figure that out actually, I have a swiss-french keyboard that I usually use with an american layout (stupid qwertz)	01:09
Adrenal	qwerty	01:10
Adrenal	dvarok is better	01:10
Falstius	Adrenal: swiss-french is qwertz	01:10
mte_	hello..i've just booted the ubuntu livecd and i wonder why i can't get to any other resolution other that 640x480? where to start troubleshooting?	01:10
Adrenal	oh, my bad	01:10
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odyssey	yay gnome 2.10	01:10
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wezzer-	looks neat, doesn't it?	01:11
Falstius	bastards switch the z and y and then make all the handy symbols (@ # / \ ) require three key combinations.	01:11
Adrenal	ahaha	01:11
sangriag	I have assigned various mountpoints to the different partitions and chosen ext3fs as my default fs. When I tried to finished the partitioning and assigning, then it gives an error that says:	01:11
sangriag		01:11
sangriag	!! Partition disks (red)	01:11
sangriag	Not yet implemented (blue)	01:11
sangriag	This ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout! Parted can't resize this (yet).	01:11
sangriag	<Go Back> <Continue>	01:11
sangriag		01:11
sangriag	I have chosen everything in ext3fs. What could be the problem?	01:11
HrdwrBoB	sangriag: don't worry about it	01:12
HrdwrBoB	it'll be fine	01:12
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setite	ok scrolling is super slow	01:14
setite	hey all i have one more issue	01:15
setite	im gonna have to use a seperate email program right	01:15
setite	im used to opera having email integrated but there is no way to do that in firefox is there	01:16
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HrdwrBoB	setite: mozilla-thunderbird	01:16
Falstius	setite: you're right	01:16
HrdwrBoB	is the mail client to match firefox	01:17
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setite	smooth-scrolling was the culprit	01:17
gt500	setite, turn it off then :p	01:18
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setite	i did	01:20
setite	i had to turn it off to figure out that it was the problem	01:20
setite	:)	01:20
ernesto	I need to know config my navigator for shockwave	01:22
setite	oooh i love thunderbird	01:23
setite	its smart... and saved me time	01:24
setite	i have 6 email addresses with the same password and server	01:24
setite	i just have to enter the new account, password, and pop address for each... not the smtp... that is logical and the first time i've ever seen it	01:24
Djrom	lol	01:25
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gt500	setite, lol :p found that just now ?	01:26
gt500	:p	01:26
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setite	hey man im just now using mozillas stuff	01:26
setite	i hated the firefox that came with ubuntu...	01:27
gt500	ow ^_^	01:27
setite	i still think the pipelines and all that should have been default settings	01:27
setite	but since opera seemed to be dying on me i decided to try somethign new	01:27
gt500	you can change the pipline settinsif you wanna :	01:27
setite	yea i know i can and i did	01:29
setite	im saying such a thing should be default though	01:29
setite	does ubuntu have a sound editor?	01:30
setite	ooh everythign is so easy to edit on thunderbird... this is nice	01:31
setite	none, outlook, opera, eudora, or evolution were so simple	01:32
Falstius	I wish they'd switch the default mail client to thunderbird instead of evolution. Or offer an alternative "ubuntu-desktop" package.	01:32
plovs	pitti, pong (with a very faint echo)	01:32
wezzer-	But does thunderbird have a calendar?	01:32
setite	well too many things and ubuntu would become like the other multi-disk distros	01:33
setite	does it?	01:33
setite	does it need one?	01:33
Falstius	wezzer-: it doesn't have one, but evolution doesn't have a news client	01:33
wezzer	that's true	01:33
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Falstius	and since I don't have a pda, most of the nice features of evolution are useless to me.	01:34
wezzer	I remember that Mozilla team are working with some kind of calendar	01:34
wezzer	so maybe we will see a calendar in thunderbird soon	01:34
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Falstius	wezzer, they are but it will be seperate from thunderbird	01:34
Falstius	its called sunbird or something.	01:34
wezzer	ok	01:35
wezzer	I didn't know that	01:35
Falstius	but I would like to be able to install "ubuntu-desktop-thunderbird" instead of ubuntu-desktop ... its a pretty easy change for the maintainers.	01:35
setite	question	01:35
setite	how do i change settings like default email client, browser, etc	01:36
setite	im used to programs and windows askign if i would like them to become default	01:36
wezzer	Preferred Applications	01:36
wezzer	in Desktop Preference	01:36
wezzer	+s	01:36
setite	they should make mozilla suite:firfox edition	01:37
setite	i still miss the integration of opera	01:37
Falstius	setite, you could download mozilla instead of firefox then.	01:37
Falstius	but I'm starting to really like firefox more than mozilla.	01:38
pitti	plovs: #1866 is still valid?	01:38
odyssey	umm could someone tell me the command to install a .deb i know its something like pk -i package name	01:38
pitti	plovs: if so, which type of ZIP drive you have (usb/parallel/ide)?	01:38
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lizdeika	odyssey: dpkg -i packege.deb	01:38
nevyn	ok WTF is with gnome-terminal going BLANK every now and then?	01:38
odyssey	thankyou lizdeika	01:38
gt500	dpkg ?	01:38
no0tic	jbailey: do you remember my network problem, yesterday?	01:39
Falstius	nevyn, it flashes or stays blank?	01:39
setite	i like firefox	01:39
gt500	ow , someone allready toldya	01:39
gt500	:p	01:39
jbailey	no0tic: Yup. By the time I made it back to my terminal you'd gone.	01:39
setite	ok when i click a link in thunderbird nothing happens	01:39
mjr	I hear that vte4, gnome-terminal's terminal widget, is without proper upstream maintenance, which is a shame, 'cause it's buggy	01:39
setite	how do i tell it to use firefox	01:39
setite	and how do i make sure that firefox is the default browser	01:39
gt500	setite, look in your options :p	01:39
no0tic	jbailey: I tried to redo the same thing and it messed up interfaces file again	01:40
nevyn	Falstius: it's probably some funky terminal screen ssh interaction thing	01:40
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setite	because i dont think there is a default since i removed the opera that came with ubuntu	01:40
setite	yea gt.. what options though	01:40
no0tic	jbailey: I noticed what was wrong in the changed file	01:40
nevyn	Falstius: it stays blank but if I ^L it re-draws for a bit	01:40
gt500	opera ?	01:40
gt500	where did you see opera ? :p	01:40
nevyn	it seems to be gone now I have gone back to the default colour scheme. which I unfortunatly hate.	01:40
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setite	i meant firefox	01:41
setite	i need to remove opera now too	01:41
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jbailey	no0tic: and? =)	01:41
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scube_	Is it possible to install hoary from the livecd?	01:41
rocco	scube_, are you per chance updating from warty to hoary?	01:42
no0tic	jbailey: network-setting tool doesn't append to "iface eth0 inet" line the option "static"	01:43
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rocco	can someone tell me how to update Warty to Hoary? I need ATi drivers for AMD64	01:43
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no0tic	jbailey: so /etc/init.d/networking script fails due to few parameters	01:43
jbailey	no0tic: Ah, interesting.	01:43
Falstius	nevyn, it might be because of the method you use to set the colors.	01:43
scizzo	rocco: there is a section about this on the Wiki	01:43
jbailey	no0tic: Would you mind filing a bug in bugzilla for that?	01:44
nevyn	umm edit the profile. change to linux colors.	01:44
no0tic	yes	01:44
nevyn	that's it.	01:44
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scube_	rocco: I am just testing the hoary live CD. I don't have it installed to upgrade.	01:44
scizzo	rocco: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog	01:44
rocco	scizzo, thanks, can I mp you to get help? I'm still new at linux...	01:45
scizzo	rocco: wow! are you really new?	01:45
scizzo	rocco: in that case stick with warty	01:45
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no0tic	jbailey: I searched for thus bug on bugzilla & found the opposite bug! :)	01:45
scizzo	rocco: hoary is development	01:46
Guardiann	rocco scizzo is right hoary is a work in progress	01:46
no0tic	jbailey: net-tools that switch to static a dhcp connection :)	01:46
rocco	well, I am running warty amd64, and it doesn't have ATi drivers I've found out	01:47
jbailey	no0tic: Perfect. The best bugs are the reproducable ones ;)	01:47
rocco	so I don't have acceleration, which might be nice	01:47
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scizzo	rocco: that does not mean that hoary will help you a lot	01:48
scizzo	rocco: what drivers are you looking for?=	01:48
_4strO	surte	01:48
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scizzo	rocco: what card is it?	01:48
_4strO	i m on hoary and i don't have acceleration too :/	01:48
rocco	scizzo, hoary is supposed to have ATi Radeon 9800 driver support	01:48
scizzo	rocco: and what driver are you using?	01:48
rocco	it just says ati	01:49
scizzo	okej	01:49
_4strO	i'm using xorg-fglrx-driver with an ATI radeon 9600	01:49
scizzo	people using 9700 has used the "radeon" driver for the cards	01:49
_4strO	Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".	01:49
_4strO	display: :0.0 screen: 0	01:49
_4strO	OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org	01:49
_4strO	OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect	01:49
_4strO	OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)	01:49
scizzo	I am not sure if that help with 9800	01:49
rocco	I did glxinfo\|grep -i dri and it said that: Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".	01:49
_4strO	lol	01:50
scizzo	_4strO: thats xorg yes	01:50
scizzo	_4strO: rocco is using XFree86	01:50
_4strO	yes	01:50
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_4strO	oki	01:50
_4strO	( Operating System ) Linux Debian-3.1 Kernel: 2.6.8.1-4-386, GNU/Linux \| Xorg: 6.8.1.99 \| Desktop: Gnome v2.9 \| IRC Client: X-Chat v.2.4.1	01:50
setite	shit	01:50
setite	did i lose all my thunderbird settings	01:50
scizzo	rocco: ummm.....dri doesn't matter much at the moment	01:50
flute	i upgraded from warty to hoary last night by changing all the wartys to hoarys in synaptic, now synapic is gone, is this a known problem? did i do something wrong? how do i get it back?	01:50
scizzo	rocco: well...it is important...but still	01:51
no0tic	jbailey: I must file a bug for gnome-system-tools package, right?	01:51
rocco	scizzo, a friend said that because it said it was missing, that meant I didn't have acceleration, that's all	01:51
gt500	flute, :/ weird	01:51
jbailey	no0tic: Yes, please.	01:51
flute	its only a playing around system, so its not the end of the world or anything if i need to reinstall	01:52
_4strO	flute> u change the synaptic version	01:52
setite	i take back everything i said abotu thunderbird	01:52
setite	it sucks	01:52
flute	4str0: not tht i know of	01:53
setite	it seems to have lost all the settings and accounts	01:53
_4strO	so your shortcut must be change too	01:53
gt500	setite, :/ how ?	01:53
setite	i closed it	01:53
setite	and when i open it its all gone	01:53
_4strO	flute> type synaptic in your terminal	01:53
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flute	bash: synaptic: command not found	01:53
_4strO	ouch	01:54
rocco	scizzo, what kind of setup/distro would make things easier at the moment? I like ubuntu so far	01:54
gt500	setite, i think you have a problem , because , here it works fine	01:54
_4strO	flute : apt-get install synaptic	01:54
rocco	scizzo, so I don't want to give it up, exactly	01:54
flute	i had some warty-backport packages installed, would that make to problem?	01:54
setite	yea... my problem is i wasted time with thunderbird	01:54
setite	because its screwed up	01:54
scizzo	rocco: yes...	01:54
setite	it seems that it never installed	01:54
ernesto	I tried all night to config my mozilla navigator	01:54
flute	can i do apt get synaptic or something	01:54
_4strO	<_4strO> flute : apt-get install synapti	01:55
_4strO	<_4strO> flute : apt-get install synaptic	01:55
ernesto	someone can to help me with that?	01:55
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rocco	scizzo, how about I forget about acceleration. How about java applet support and flash plugins?	01:55
rocco	I can't get those to work in Firefox	01:55
flute	with sudo aswell i guess	01:55
Pluk	rocco, flash dont work yet with amd64	01:56
Guardiann	rocco check out www.ubuntuguide.org	01:56
_4strO	yes flute :)	01:56
Pluk	blackdown.org does have 64bit java	01:56
rocco	so should I just reinstall ubuntu with x86?	01:56
flute	ok	01:56
rocco	would that make more things availible to me?	01:57
no0tic	jbailey: files	01:57
no0tic	jbailey: filed	01:58
sangriag	I came across this problem, ext3 format and no resizing gives ext2fs related resizing problem due to parted. See here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=52866#post52866	01:58
jbailey	no0tic: Thanks!	01:58
flute	thanks, synaptic is back :-)	01:58
flute	should i post a bug report?	01:58
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setite	why is thunderbird beign gay	01:59
rocco	scizzo, do you think I should reinstall ubuntu with x86 instead of amd64 then?	01:59
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Guardiann	goodmorning ZzeCoOl	02:02
setite	rocco have you tried chmod or whatever that is	02:02
setite	chroot i mean	02:02
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ZzeCoOl	Guardiann :>>>>>>>>>>>	02:02
rocco	I don't even know what that is, setite	02:02
ZzeCoOl	:D	02:02
setite	ok hold up	02:02
sangriag	Is it worth asking for troubleshooting in this IRC? I posted a few problems with installations, and yet getting no reply? Losing hope!?	02:02
ernesto_	ubuntu	02:03
ZzeCoOl	MY stab doenst mount my window partition ....but if i arun mount -a then it mounts... Any clue? plz	02:03
ZzeCoOl	arun run*	02:03
Guardiann	sangriag maybe noone has the answer	02:03
setite	http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu	02:04
rocco	setite, thanks, have you worked with that before?	02:05
sangriag	Guardinn: maybe. :-(	02:06
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emanuelez	hello * :)	02:07
Guardiann	hello	02:08
emanuelez	does upgrading to hoary automatically use x.org instead of xfree?	02:08
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ZzeCoOl	noone?...	02:09
ZzeCoOl	any clue about fstab?	02:09
emanuelez	ZzeCoOl: what's your proble with it?	02:10
rocco	setite, what is chroot, can you conceptually explain that to me?	02:10
emanuelez	rocco: chroot=change root. you simply change the root of your filesystem	02:11
_4strO	emanuelez> niet	02:11
_4strO	u have to change manualy	02:12
rocco	oh, ok	02:12
_4strO	and not in Xserver	02:12
rocco	I don't see how that helps, but ok, hehe	02:12
_4strO	do it in a terminal session	02:12
emanuelez	rocco: try installing gentoo and u'll have to use chroot :P LOL	02:13
ZzeCoOl	emanuelez i have set my ftab to mount my windows partition but it desnt work at the boot time,but if i run mount -a then it mounts	02:13
ZzeCoOl	fstab*	02:13
rocco	emanuelez, you know, my last comp a friend installed gentoo for me, and yeah, he used chroot, I remember now	02:13
_4strO	defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0	02:13
rocco	confused the shit out of me then, confuses the shit out of me now	02:14
_4strO	ZzeCoOl> did u set auto option ?	02:14
ZzeCoOl	i dont remember	02:14
_4strO	:)	02:14
ZzeCoOl	i folowed the ubuntu guide	02:14
ZzeCoOl	:D	02:14
ZzeCoOl	just a sec im going to check it	02:14
Falstius	_4strO: if he didn't set auto, then mount -a shouldn't mount it ..	02:15
_4strO	ha ?	02:16
ZzeCoOl	_4strO is is like this : /dev/sda6 /mnt/Games vfat umask=000 0 0	02:16
_4strO	fabbione> i thought that mount -a will mount all device in etc/fstab	02:16
ZzeCoOl	_4strO this is what it does	02:16
plovs	pitti, i have a usb zip-drive, i haven't used it for a while though, you want me to test it? on hoary or warty?	02:16
_4strO	ZzeCoOl> dev/hdc2 /mnt/musique1 vfat defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0	02:17
pitti	plovs: well, we know that it does not work on warty, so hoary :-)	02:17
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ZzeCoOl	does this gives read write to every user?	02:17
pitti	plovs: the new hal version contains a patch, but only for IDE zip drives	02:17
_4strO	niet	02:17
pitti	plovs: it would be nice to check whether usb zip still does not work	02:17
ZzeCoOl	what does this does?	02:17
ZzeCoOl	i want read write to every user	02:17
_4strO	uid=1000	02:17
_4strO	id=1000	02:18
ZzeCoOl	?	02:18
rocco	does someone know how to apt-get dchroot?	02:18
Hwolf	Does anyone know how to enable xvideo on the new xorg fglrx drivers?	02:18
_4strO	ZzeCoOl> groupe 1000 and user 1000	02:18
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Pluk	I have: uid=1000,gid=100,umask=007 .. gives all rights for every user in the group users	02:19
ZzeCoOl	i dont understand what is group id 1000 and user id 1000	02:19
_4strO	i think uid=1000 contain all user u have ;)	02:19
_4strO	just try it	02:19
Pluk	uid=1000 is your own uid	02:19
ZzeCoOl	omg	02:19
Falstius	ZzeCoOl: what you have should work though. The problem is probably that at boot time the system is not recognizing your scsi driver. Is it SATA?	02:19
Pluk	netx user has uid=1001	02:19
ZzeCoOl	yes it is	02:19
ZzeCoOl	western digital 200gb	02:20
ZzeCoOl	sata	02:20
Falstius	is there a message in dmesg about it?	02:20
rocco	how come "apt-get install dchroot" doesn't work?	02:20
ZzeCoOl	let me check	02:20
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Falstius	do you boot your root (ubuntu) off the same drive?	02:20
NetwrkMonkey	hrm updating my installation onw	02:20
NetwrkMonkey	er now	02:20
NetwrkMonkey	i had 47 updates	02:20
emanuelez	does upgrading to hoary automatically use x.org instead of xfree?	02:21
_4strO	emanuelez> niet	02:21
emanuelez	_4strO: so what doi need to do for the switch?	02:21
ZzeCoOl	Falstius	02:21
ZzeCoOl	i cant find nothing	02:21
_4strO	kill ur Xsession	02:21
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ZzeCoOl	do i have to grep something special in the dmesg	02:22
ZzeCoOl	?	02:22
emanuelez	_4strO: i did the sweitch about a month ago! LOL	02:22
rocco	# sudo apt-get install dchroot debootstrap	02:22
rocco	Reading Package Lists... Done	02:22
rocco	Building Dependency Tree... Done	02:22
rocco	E: Couldn't find package dchroot	02:22
rocco	what does that mean?	02:22
gt500	rocco, that the package doesn't exists	02:22
gt500	:p	02:22
ZzeCoOl	nevermind	02:22
rocco	but... but... but...	02:22
Falstius	ZzeCoOl: I'd grep for the drive name.	02:23
_4strO	and apt-get install xserver-xorg in a terminal session	02:23
Pluk	rocco did you apt-get update?	02:23
rocco	Pluk, yes	02:23
Pluk	ah you were running amd64 right?	02:23
rocco	yeah	02:23
_4strO	perhaps apt-get remove xserver-xfree86	02:23
_4strO	dont't remember the exact name	02:23
Pluk	possibly not yet ported to x86_64	02:24
rocco	Pluk, so what can I freaking do with amd64? it is like nothing but what came with ubuntu even has a chance of working, which isn't that much	02:24
Pluk	lol software development for amd64 is still very fresh	02:25
emanuelez	_4strO: it tells me that is't gonna remove my ATI driver :(	02:25
nevyn	rocco: enable universe?	02:25
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Pluk	hmmm indeed	02:25
rocco	nevyn, how?	02:25
Pluk	dchroot seems to be in universe	02:26
_4strO	emanuelez> u'r in X ?	02:26
rocco	do you guys recommend I install x86 instead?	02:26
emanuelez	yes	02:26
rocco	that'd be good. how do I access universe?	02:26
Pluk	yes rooco	02:26
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_4strO	xorg-driver-fglrx	02:26
_4strO	emanuelez> do't do that in X	02:26
Pluk	i have amd64 here too and have a x86 and x86_64 installed	02:26
nevyn	rocco: universe is like.. everything that's in debian.	02:26
Pluk	dont use x86)64 very often	02:26
emanuelez	_4strO: so i have to kill gdm i guess	02:27
_4strO	yes	02:27
nevyn	what provides auplay?	02:27
emanuelez	_4strO: ok.. thx :)	02:27
_4strO	xorg-driver-fglrx is the xorg ATI driver	02:27
rocco	Pluk, how much room do I need to install x86? or should I install over this partition and get rid of this once and for all?	02:27
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rocco	nevyn, should I enable universe then and try that?	02:27
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Pluk	i think with 4gb root 1gb swap and 3 gb home you prolly be safe	02:28
Pluk	home and swap can be shared	02:29
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rocco	Pluk, I got more than enough then, I think I can spare that. But is keeping this one worth it?	02:29
Pluk	sure worth it	02:29
Pluk	always fun to play with x86_64	02:29
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rocco	what can I do with 64 then that is special and fun?	02:29
Pluk	fun for nerds then i guess...	02:30
Pluk	:D	02:30
rocco	I'm a nerd... I just don't know linux as well as I wish I did	02:30
flute	play with big numbers	02:30
rocco	I definitely am trying... 5:30am, class at 9am... see? I'm trying	02:30
Pluk	lol	02:31
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manchot	in gnome, what is the file brower? I can't see its link.	02:32
rocco	Pluk, what should I download to install the x86 ubuntu then?	02:33
flute	manchot nautilus	02:33
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plovs	pitti, i have both ide-zip and usb-zip i'll test both and let you know somewhere at the end of next week	02:34
Pluk	rocco, just get the iso?	02:34
rcaskey	Is home on the panel by default?	02:34
rocco	ok, the thing is, I'm not sure I can burn it from here.	02:34
pitti	plovs: nice, thanks! Please write your results in the bug report	02:34
rocco	I haven't found a burning program here yet	02:34
gt500	rocco, cdrecord	02:34
Guardiann	rocco use k3b	02:34
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rocco	I don't think I have k3b, but cdrecord I do, just don't know how to use it	02:35
rcaskey	rocco: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list	02:35
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rcaskey	then add universe onto the end of the repository you are using	02:35
rcaskey	then open up synaptic and install it	02:36
rcaskey	alternatively there is a gui way but I dont have it in front of me now	02:36
TreadingSoftly	Does anyone know how to get CDDB working for CD Player?	02:36
rocco	open up synaptic?	02:37
plovs	pitti, do you know how to restore the partition table to a usb-key, i get an error when plugging it in and it can no longer be accessed (not on windows, nor on linux) fdisk says: unable to open dev/sda	02:37
pitti	plovs: hmm, fdisk should not care about the partition table	02:38
pitti	plovs: sure that you do this with sudo?	02:38
rcaskey	it's on the menu	02:38
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odyssey	TreadingSoftly, works fine fore me... might not have the cd in the database?	02:42
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TreadingSoftly	no ... rhythm box can pick them up + not obscure cds	02:43
emanuelez	_4strO: still there?	02:43
_4strO	yep	02:43
_4strO	not for a long time, my bath is ready ...	02:43
emanuelez	_4strO: i did as u said... everything went smootly but i seem to have lost every hardware acceleration :(	02:43
_4strO	video card ?	02:44
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emanuelez	ATI radeon 9600	02:44
_4strO	same as mine	02:44
_4strO	don't have acceleration too :/	02:44
emanuelez	:-O	02:44
_4strO	u have it before ?	02:44
emanuelez	_4strO: yes!!	02:44
_4strO	erf	02:45
raul	cine ma ajuta si pe mine?	02:45
_4strO	I never had it :/	02:45
emanuelez	_4strO: hope i'll be able to switch back LOL	02:45
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setite	hey	02:45
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setite	anyone know a repo that has the newest xine	02:45
TreadingSoftly	In gconf I've got this under the entry for CDDB-Slave2 (in case this is relevant): hostname = <blank> info=0 name=<blank> port=888 server=freedb.freedb.org server-type=0. Anything missing there?	02:45
NetwrkMonkey	well that update went rather smoothly	02:46
Guardiann	setite what version you looking for	02:46
_4strO	emanuelez> u change the video driver ?	02:46
setite	ummmm... something newer than the one ubuntu has	02:46
emanuelez	_4strO: installing xorg apt removed my driver	02:47
setite	i want to update alot fo things that ubuntu has... but ill do it one by one if i must	02:47
setite	15 minutes till howard stern replay!	02:47
TreadingSoftly	where are the CDDB settings for CD Player?	02:47
_4strO	emanuelez> but it put on newer ?	02:47
emanuelez	_4strO: no... i had to install xorg-driver-fglx manually	02:48
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setite	should i add the debian repo?	02:48
emanuelez	setite: very risky	02:48
_4strO	fuck	02:49
Guardiann	xine 99.3 is pretty recent	02:49
_4strO	fuck$* ati driver ....	02:49
plovs	pitti, sudo fdisk /dev/sda gives: Unable to open /dev/sda	02:49
pitti	plovs: but /dev/sda does exist?	02:50
no0tic	I've problems with powernow module & frequency scaling. powernow: No PST tables match this cpuid (0x7a0). On warty this didn't happen	02:50
setite	ok then just xine then	02:50
pitti	plovs: does "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=1k count=10" work?	02:50
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setite	is it possible to steer apt to a new repo that is not on the list	02:50
plovs	pitti, dmesg says: usb 3-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71	02:50
setite	like if you just want to use it once	02:50
pitti	urth	02:50
pitti	plovs: no idea. sounds like a hardware problem...	02:51
plovs	pitti, dd: opening `/dev/sda': No such file or directory	02:51
emanuelez	_4strO: what kernel r u using?	02:51
_4strO	( Operating System ) Linux Debian-3.1 Kernel: 2.6.8.1-4-386, GNU/Linux \| Xorg: 6.8.1.99 \| Desktop: Gnome v2.9 \| IRC Client: X-Chat v.2.4.1	02:51
vj	ubuntu does not install properly	02:51
pitti	plovs: dmesg output is from plugging in?	02:51
no0tic	plovs: do you have a via MOBO?	02:52
_4strO	emanuelez> u ?	02:53
emanuelez	_4strO: i guess it only works with kernel 2.6.10 but i'm not sure. the problem is that i have issues with that kernel so i'm using 2.6.9 right now	02:53
plovs	no0tic, yes, but it used to work, after pulling it out one day it just stoppped	02:53
plovs	pitti, it is a lot, i don't want to flood the channel	02:53
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pitti	plovs: feel free to /msg	02:53
no0tic	plovs: try appending pci=noacpi in kernel options	02:53
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_4strO	emanuelez> change X server don't change kernel using , i think	02:54
emanuelez	_4strO: of course, but the driver is a kernel module of course	02:54
plovs	Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...	02:54
plovs	scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices	02:54
plovs	usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage	02:54
plovs	USB Mass Storage support registered.	02:54
plovs	usb-storage: device found at 3	02:54
plovs	usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning	02:54
plovs	Vendor: JetFlash Model: TS256MJF2L Rev: 2.00	02:54
plovs	Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02	02:54
plovs	usb-storage: device scan complete	02:54
plovs	sda: Unit Not Ready, sense:	02:54
plovs	Current : sense key Unit Attention	02:54
plovs	Additional sense: Not ready to ready change, medium may have changed	02:54
plovs	sda : READ CAPACITY failed.	02:55
_4strO	emanuelez> yes	02:55
plovs	sda : status=1, message=00, host=0, driver=08	02:55
plovs	Current sd: sense key Unit Attention	02:55
plovs	Additional sense: Not ready to ready change, medium may have changed	02:55
plovs	sda: Write Protect is off	02:55
plovs	sda: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00	02:55
plovs	sda: assuming drive cache: write through	02:55
plovs	SCSI device sda: 512000 512-byte hdwr sectors (262 MB)	02:55
plovs	sda: Write Protect is off	02:55
plovs	sda: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00	02:55
plovs	sda: assuming drive cache: write through	02:55
plovs	/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1	02:55
plovs	Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0	02:55
plovs	UDF-fs: No VRS found	02:55
plovs	UDF-fs: No VRS found	02:55
plovs	Unable to identify CD-ROM format.	02:55
plovs	Unable to identify CD-ROM format.	02:55
plovs	FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!	02:55
emanuelez	PLEASE KICK THIS GUY! LOL	02:55
plovs	usb 4-6: USB disconnect, address 3	02:55
plovs	usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4	02:55
plovs	usb 3-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71	02:55
plovs	usb 3-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71	02:55
plovs	usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5	02:55
_4strO	lol	02:55
plovs	usb 3-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71	02:55
herman_	plovs use pastebin or sometihng	02:55
plovs	usb 3-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71	02:55
plovs	usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 6	02:55
plovs	usb 3-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71	02:56
plovs	usb 3-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71	02:56
no0tic	plovs: you have to /msg every line!	02:56
plovs	usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 7	02:56
plovs	usb 3-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71	02:56
plovs	usb 3-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71	02:56
plovs	usb 3-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address	02:56
plovs	sorry all	02:56
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plovs	yes, now i know	02:56
SuSE\|UsER	Uh oh, i can't eject my cd O_o	02:56
emanuelez	no autokick here uh? LOL	02:56
no0tic	SuSE\|UsER: lsof /dev/cdrom	02:56
SuSE\|UsER	Help me :S	02:56
plovs	i'll kick myself if that makes people happy	02:56
emanuelez	SuSE\|UsER: umount -l /mnt/cdrom	02:57
no0tic	SuSE\|UsER: ehm, lsof \| grep /dev/cdrom	02:57
emanuelez	plovs: just kidding :)	02:57
_4strO	emanuelez> u had default driver before switching X ?	02:57
plovs	emanuelez, it really hurt, kicking myself so hard	02:57
_4strO	lol plovs	02:57
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setite	plovs your a bastard	02:58
SuSE\|UsER	stil doesnt work after umount -l /media/cdrom	02:58
setite	ok ive said my piece	02:58
emanuelez	_4strO: i had the fglrx driver	02:59
setite	suse!!! guys grab your clubs and torches!	02:59
thundrcleeze	wow, plovs, 27 lines at once.	02:59
_4strO	emanuelez> the ubuntu fglrx driver ?	02:59
no0tic	SuSE\|UsER: view what program is using you cd with : lsof \| grep cdrom	02:59
SuSE\|UsER	and doesnt work after lsof \| grep /dev/cdrom	02:59
daniels	the flood of castigating plovs is almost as bad as the flood he generated in the first place	02:59
emanuelez	_4strO: yup	03:00
no0tic	SuSE\|UsER: lsof lists all opened files	03:00
setite	daniels... indeed	03:00
_4strO	emanuelez> stange	03:00
thundrcleeze	plovs, your name wouldn't happen to have the letters s l x in front of it, would it?	03:00
no0tic	SuSE\|UsER: then kill the process that is using your cd	03:00
_4strO	i had the same but hadn't acceleration :/	03:00
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emanuelez	_4strO: weird	03:00
SuSE\|UsER	But which process?	03:01
_4strO	some people said i have too recomplie my kernel :/	03:01
no0tic	SuSE\|UsER: the process that is using you cdrom... :)	03:01
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_4strO	some people said i have to recomplie my kernel :/	03:01
SuSE\|UsER	But i dont know which one :)	03:01
SuSE\|UsER	lsof \| grep /dev/cdrom shows nothing	03:02
no0tic	SuSE\|UsER: how many processes are using your cd right now?	03:02
SuSE\|UsER	I dunno :)	03:02
no0tic	SuSE\|UsER: ok, so noone	03:02
emanuelez	from xorg-drivers-fglrx docs: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10 (2.6.10.2-2) hoary;	03:02
emanuelez	hell	03:02
_4strO	pffff	03:02
no0tic	SuSE\|UsER: lsof \| grep cdrom lists them, if doesn't list anything, there aren't...	03:02
SuSE\|UsER	cd icon disappeared from desktop but i still cant eject him	03:03
no0tic	SuSE\|UsER: try eject	03:03
SuSE\|UsER	:S	03:03
SuSE\|UsER	I can't	03:03
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emanuelez	fabbione: u there?	03:03
SuSE\|UsER	Is there any command for ejecting cd (in console)	03:04
SuSE\|UsER	?	03:04
emanuelez	SuSE\|UsER: eject	03:04
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SuSE\|UsER	eject -r	03:05
SuSE\|UsER	eject: unable to eject, last error: Input/output error	03:05
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scylax	hi	03:05
emanuelez	SuSE\|UsER: are you 100% sure no processes are using your cdrom?	03:05
SuSE\|UsER	I'm not, but lsof shows nothing	03:06
emanuelez	any shell console? any mplayer hidden session...	03:06
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manchot	when I mounted some local partitions, ubuntu shows all their icons on the desktop.	03:06
manchot	how to disable this?	03:07
no0tic	After plugging in an USB device in warty it was mounted automatically, on hoary, it is correctly recognized but doesn't show up	03:07
manchot	anthother question: anyone is using gmailfs ? I tried to install its debian pkg but it seems that ubuntu does not have dependent packages.	03:08
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pusling	is there a (unofficial) hoary install iso ?	03:09
wezzer-	I don't think so	03:10
no0tic	pusling: imagecd.ubuntulinux.org	03:10
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no0tic	pusling: sorry, cdimage.ubuntulinux.org	03:10
no0tic	pusling: under releases	03:11
scylax	ah nice, i'll get one of those too	03:11
scylax	what is array1, array2, array3?	03:11
Riddell	pusling: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/hoary/array-3/	03:11
pusling	what is arr... what scylax said	03:11
no0tic	scylax: are hoary-milestones	03:12
scylax	ok so 3 is more recent?	03:12
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=== SuSE\|UsER still can't eject cd :S
appleseed	hi everyone! sorry to ask this, as I'm sure I'm not the first, but how do I enable DRI on the ATi fglrx drivers? fglrx STILL says opengl is using the mesa driver. i've installed linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r), and rebooted, but still no luck	03:12
no0tic	scylax: 3 hsa been released today	03:12
TheGuild	it's it true that the hoary dist isn't complete at the moment?	03:12
scylax	i'll download it and check it out	03:12
no0tic	TheGuild: it isn't stable, but it has all	03:13
scylax	only played with hoary for a couple of days before going back to warty :)	03:13
TheGuild	no0tic: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gtk+2.0/libgtk2.0-common_2.6.1-1ubuntu2_all.deb 404 Not Found	03:13
TheGuild	get a lot of these whilst dist-upgrading	03:13
scylax	can one record an iso with nautilus?	03:13
no0tic	TheGuild: update your repositories	03:13
no0tic	scylax: yes	03:13
TheGuild	no0tic: allready done	03:13
scylax	great	03:13
no0tic	TheGuild: then probably they are upgrading packages right now	03:14
nevyn	what do I need to install to get auplay or is there an easy way tomake gaim do notifications via gstreamer?	03:14
TheGuild	no0tic: great then I'll hang on... was wondering if it were my apt sources :)	03:14
scylax	i saw a friend had weather info in evolution, how do i get that?	03:15
no0tic	scylax: I think there are plugins for that	03:15
pusling	is debmirror in ubuntu ?	03:15
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scylax	do you know how to install them? i see nothing on the menus	03:16
nevyn	nevermind worked it out.	03:16
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no0tic	TheGuild: yes, they are upgrading packages now ;)	03:16
TheGuild	no0tic: thnx for checking :)	03:16
SuSE\|UsER	I mounted cd again /dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 and i wrote lsof \| grep /dev/hdc	03:16
SuSE\|UsER	, but nothing was shown	03:16
no0tic	SuSE\|UsER: yes, if you are not using it....	03:16
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Hwolf	Hm. Is the hoary repro server down?	03:17
no0tic	Hwolf: no	03:17
Hwolf	ailed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mysql-dfsg/libmysqlclient12_4.0.23-3_i386.deb 404 Not Found	03:17
Hwolf	E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?	03:17
no0tic	Hwolf: probably they are upgrading packages now	03:17
no0tic	Hwolf: TheGuild & I got the same error	03:18
SuSE\|UsER	When i'm trying to eject it says eject -r	03:18
SuSE\|UsER	eject: unable to eject, last error: Input/output error	03:18
no0tic	Hwolf: but not with all packages	03:18
no0tic	TheGuild & Hwolf: now it works	03:21
TheGuild	no0tic: senks again :)	03:21
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snowblink	SuSE\|UsER: what shows when you type mount?	03:23
Hwolf	Hm. First time I've ever encountered an official mirror downish. In all my years of using debian-systems	03:23
Hwolf	:-P	03:23
setite	ok how the hell do i install xine lib 1.0	03:23
setite	i cant figure it otu	03:24
snowblink	setite: apt-get install xine-ui	03:24
setite	i ran sj ./configure	03:24
setite	well i have xine-ui... but i want a newer version then the one on the ubuntu repo	03:24
setite	sh*	03:24
Guardiann	whats wrong with the version you have?	03:25
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setite	nothing is wrong	03:25
setite	i just want the newer version	03:25
snowblink	setite: right. I was looking for the debs yesterday too.	03:25
setite	to see if the quality is any better	03:25
setite	so i downloaded the newest lib and xine-ui	03:25
setite	and i was trying to install xine lib but it wont	03:25
pusling	What is the networking device sit0 ?	03:25
Guardiann	why wont it install]	03:26
SuSE\|UsER	snowblink, /dev/hda4 on / type xfs (rw)	03:26
SuSE\|UsER	proc on /proc type proc (rw)	03:26
SuSE\|UsER	sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)	03:26
SuSE\|UsER	devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)	03:26
SuSE\|UsER	tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)	03:26
SuSE\|UsER	usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)	03:26
SuSE\|UsER	/dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660	03:26
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setite	suse is the devil	03:28
Mabus	I see the OOo2 package has completed successfully - does anyone know if it causes any problems if I install it ?	03:28
SuSE\|UsER	And still soesnt work :S	03:28
SuSE\|UsER	doesn't*	03:28
Guardiann	setite what did you tyoe to try to install	03:28
snowblink	SuSE\|UsER: what error did you get?	03:28
setite	well i ran ./configure	03:28
setite	then tried make	03:28
setite	but make errored	03:28
SuSE\|UsER	eject -r	03:28
SuSE\|UsER	eject: unable to eject, last error: Input/output error	03:28
setite	somethign abotu no specified path or file or soemthign like that	03:29
Guardiann	do you have all the gcc packages	03:29
snowblink	SuSE\|UsER: exit all your shell sessions	03:29
setite	im trying to install xine-ui now	03:29
setite	i dunno	03:29
setite	i have some of them	03:29
snowblink	SuSE\|UsER: then try the command again	03:29
setite	i dont know if i have all or enough though	03:29
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SuSE\|UsER	Still doesn't work	03:30
VincentMX	hi	03:30
SuSE\|UsER	It has to be some bug :S	03:30
setite	checking for XINE-LIB version >= 1.0.0... no	03:30
setite	*** The xine-config script installed by XINE could not be found	03:30
setite	*** If XINE was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in	03:30
setite	*** your path, or set the XINE_CONFIG environment variable to the	03:30
setite	*** full path to xine-config.	03:30
setite	configure: error: * You should install xine-lib first *	03:30
SuSE\|UsER	Big,nasty bug :S	03:30
setite	so i do need to install the libs first	03:30
snowblink	SuSE\|UsER: is there a CD on your desktop?	03:30
SuSE\|UsER	Now it isn't	03:30
thully	has anyone noticed that the update notifier in hoary has "update" spelled as "upate"?	03:31
setite	what are "all" the gcc packages	03:31
SuSE\|UsER	It disappeared after umount	03:31
no0tic	brb	03:31
snowblink	SuSE\|UsER: from the prompt where you are doing the umount, type pwd	03:32
SuSE\|UsER	It shows my /home/user	03:32
VincentMX	i'm using the Ubuntu live CD, it works kinda slow. Wil it go faster when i install Ubuntu?	03:32
VincentMX	i'm using the Ubuntu live CD, it works kinda slow. Wil it go faster when i install Ubuntu?	03:32
SuSE\|UsER	VincentMX, it should	03:32
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VincentMX	Ok thanx!	03:32
VincentMX	couse this is really going slow	03:33
VincentMX	:)	03:33
SuSE\|UsER	Yeah, I think WindowsXP live CD is FasTer ;)	03:34
snowblink	SuSE\|UsER: you have no programs in your tray which might be accessing it?	03:34
setite	Guardiann where did you go	03:34
setite	should i get a newer gcc then ubuntu has	03:35
setite	or should i move over to hoary	03:35
setite	im getting frustrated with warty... but hoary will be worse i bet	03:35
Hwolf	settite, why is that?	03:36
setite	i dunno	03:36
setite	i just want to update something and im dying	03:36
Hwolf	VincentMX, it will go a lot faster	03:36
setite	i cant update xine	03:36
thully	only if you absolutely need a newer gcc - hoary is a tad unstable, proceed with caution (it's like debian's unstable)	03:37
VincentMX	ok	03:37
thully	maybe you're missing libs to compile xine?	03:37
setite	i downloaded the libs	03:37
Hwolf	Thully, Hoary has been reasonably stable so far. I've installed it three times.	03:37
setite	thats what i cant install	03:37
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setite	why did you install it 3 times	03:37
thully	yes - I've used it, but there still is breakage every now and then - not as stable as warty	03:37
setite	why not once	03:37
smurfix	does anybody have a moin-moin skin that looks ubuntu-ish?	03:38
smurfix	(or know of)	03:38
thully	I'm not saying it's unstable in the windows sense, I'm saying it is in the debian sense	03:38
setite	is it in the noob sense	03:39
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setite	i cant be doing alot of configuring because im too new	03:39
setite	i just want better quality dvd playback	03:39
BockBilbo	hello	03:39
setite	and xine is the only program i can get to play TV's	03:39
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BockBilbo	has anyone here tried MATLAB in linux?	03:39
BockBilbo	in ubuntu..	03:39
snowblink	SuSE\|UsER: what is the output of fuser /dev/hdc	03:39
appleseed	Hello everyone. sorry, i asked a question before but got cut off so i'm not sure if anyone answered. I'm having problems with xorg+fglrx drivers(fglrxinfo will only show the mesa driver used, not the ati one)	03:40
KlaasVaag	BockBilbo, not yet.. but i tried some OS equivalents :)	03:40
thully	I mean - if you use debian sarge or sid, or gentoo, or similar and can handle things fine hoary should be OK - even if you're good at using, say, mandrake you should be fine	03:40
BockBilbo	hehe you mean octave	03:40
VincentMX	is it legal to distribute Ubuntu cd's during my lecture about computers?	03:40
BockBilbo	right?	03:40
setite	yes it is legal	03:40
thully	yes - that's the beauty of it	03:40
setite	it is as far as ubuntu	03:40
appleseed	any ideas how to fix that? i've reinstalled linux-restricted-modules, and the binary drivers, but still cant get Xorg to use ATi's OpenGL	03:40
VincentMX	ok	03:40
setite	i dont know abotu the place your lecturing at	03:40
KlaasVaag	BockBilbo, i think i do :) not sure though.. it was a while ago, and did not spent to much effort on it..	03:41
VincentMX	what?	03:41
SuSE\|UsER	fuser /dev/hdc ? output=0	03:41
BockBilbo	oh... ok	03:41
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BockBilbo	see.. im trying to install matlab7 on ubuntu	03:41
setite	im trying to find a cheap way to get grocery stores or some kind of store to hand them out	03:41
KlaasVaag	BockBilbo, have you tried it? how did you like it in comparison with matlab?	03:41
setite	here in vegas	03:41
BockBilbo	and im havng som errors	03:41
BockBilbo	KlaasVaag, i havent try octave at all	03:41
BockBilbo	:S	03:41
VincentMX	How long do you guys use Linux?	03:41
setite	i havent used windows in days...	03:42
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BockBilbo	VincentMX, just 10 months	03:42
KlaasVaag	ok.. never mind then :) i love the potential of Matlab but cannot work with it yet.. since i dont like to spend money on software i was hoping Octave was a good alternative :)	03:42
SuSE\|UsER	snowblink, fuser /dev/hdc has no output	03:42
setite	it would be over a month if it wasnt for my inability to upload mp3s to my phone with linux	03:42
BockBilbo	KlaasVaag, ive heard it is a good alternative	03:42
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KlaasVaag	so basically i am figuring what software to put some time in to learn it :)	03:42
KlaasVaag	ok.. that is great :)	03:43
BockBilbo	but, for example it misses some packages that i need	03:43
BockBilbo	like simulin	03:43
BockBilbo	k	03:43
VincentMX	i'm using Linux for only 2 hours by now ;)	03:43
BockBilbo	:P	03:43
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setite	your giving a lecture	03:43
setite	on what	03:43
VincentMX	any dutch or belgian people?	03:43
KlaasVaag	ok.. good luck then getting matlab to work.. in my opinion its just to costly :)	03:43
KlaasVaag	VincentMX, what about them?	03:44
VincentMX	i'm dutch	03:44
Pluk	VincentMX, :) try #ubuntu-nl some dutch there	03:44
BockBilbo	KlaasVaag, it iss..	03:44
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VincentMX	ok, thanx	03:44
KlaasVaag	im dutch :)	03:44
BockBilbo	but who has said that ive paid for it? 8-)	03:44
BockBilbo	:/	03:44
thully	has anybody heard anything concerning whether gtkpod works with iPod shuffle, or if support is on the way? Those look kinda interesting (ducks from the OGG evangelists)	03:44
KlaasVaag	BockBilbo, i prefer my software to be such that i can use it legally :)	03:45
BockBilbo	me too Klas	03:45
BockBilbo	KlaasVaag,	03:45
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setite	im american sorry	03:45
setite	what are you lecturing on	03:45
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KlaasVaag	setite, please specify who you are talking to :)	03:47
setite	who else mentioned lecturing	03:47
snowblink	SuSE\|UsER: eject -v	03:47
setite	anyone who is givign a lecture is free to talk abotu it	03:47
snowblink	SuSE\|UsER: running out of ideas	03:47
thully	They (the Shuffle) have much more storage than the equivalently-priced iriver (I would never get a flash player w/256MB or memory, and I don't want to spend a whole lot) - just wondering for the future	03:48
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setite	screw this... once again imma have to convert an RPM	03:49
SuSE\|UsER	snowblink, i got errors, the last 1 is eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argumen	03:49
setite	whats i586 and i6 86	03:50
setite	i have a celeron what do i need	03:50
setite	i dont have a custom kernel either as far as i know	03:50
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Sleipnir	hello	03:51
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snowblink	SuSE\|UsER: I would play with umount. Options -r and -f	03:51
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setite	there is i386, i586, k6,k7, and src	03:51
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thully	I'm using hoary, and it seems like the latest kernel has really good ACPI - my battery is lasting 20 min longer than is normal on Linux	03:52
scylax	great	03:52
thully	1h 55min left, 66% left	03:52
thully	almost 3h	03:52
setite	someone please help me i dont know which to pick for a celeron	03:52
setite	i386, i586, k6,k7, and src	03:53
scylax	i386 i think	03:53
Falstius	celerons are i686	03:53
thully	setite - i586 (if there isn't an i686*	03:53
setite	whoops no i386	03:53
setite	there is 586, 686	03:53
setite	686 ok	03:53
thully	go with 686	03:53
scylax	ok	03:53
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setite	should i get a new kernel?>	03:54
setite	whats the command to determine what i have	03:54
SuSE\|UsER	Nope, snowblink doesn't work, I'll just reboot my pc ;) Thx for help :)	03:54
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Get	Hi! I'm going to change from gentoo to ubuntu, do I need any install gudie for ubunto or the screen instructions is enough?	03:58
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snowblink	Get: you should be okay, but you may want to check http://ubuntuguide.org/ after install	03:59
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manchot	I see no big difference between ubuntu and debian.	04:00
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manchot	seems debian has more pkgs	04:00
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snowblink	Can anyone recommend a monitoring tool (for CPU temperature, network usage, etc.) that can sit on my desktop?	04:01
Seminole	gkrellm	04:01
Get	snowblink: k, sounds good	04:01
martyr	hi. i just installed ubuntu amd64 on my new notebook (Athlon64 3000+, 1280x800 WXGA, ATI Mobility Radeon 9700). when it attempts to start X11 after installation / reboot, it fails and my display becomes very dark (you can hardly read white text on black background). any idea how, to fix that, anyone? thanks in advance	04:01
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snowblink	Seminole: thanks. Will take a look	04:02
Seminole	np	04:02
manchot	gkrellm: Depends: gkrellm-common (= 2.2.1-1) but it is not going to be installed	04:02
manchot	E: Unmet dependencies. Try E: Unmet dependencies. Try apt-get -f install with no packages (or specify a solution).	04:02
manchot	what's wrong?	04:02
manchot	I tried to install some pkg with dpkg but failed, not apt-get can't work.	04:03
Seminole	sudo apt-get install gkrellm	04:03
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Seminole	It will install the dependencies	04:04
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manchot	Seminole, "You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:	04:04
manchot	"	04:04
manchot	I am using root	04:04
ihhhuohuohuh	hi	04:05
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Guardiann	hello	04:05
Guardiann	setite get your answer?	04:06
setite	yay i updated xine	04:06
setite	answer to what	04:06
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Guardiann	nice your answer to kernel number	04:06
Seminole	manchot - have you run that command yet?	04:06
setite	yea i was told 686	04:06
setite	should i get a new kernel?	04:06
Guardiann	type uname -a	04:06
setite	well nvm what is the command that will tell me the kernel i have	04:07
angusdung	anyone know what wouldl cause this error or how to fix it? "error activating xkb configuration" when starting an x session	04:07
Bart6114	I've got a question, i'm kind of a linux noob, i wanted to start with linux by using Ubuntu. The installation went ok, when i tried to boot for the first time i got an error: No screens found. Can anyone help me on this?	04:07
setite	uname -a	04:07
scylax	what about athlon xp, is that 368,586 or 686?	04:07
setite	?	04:07
scylax	uname -r	04:07
setite	thats k7 isnt it?	04:07
Guardiann	in terminal	04:07
no0tic	scylax: k7	04:07
setite	a or r	04:07
Guardiann	or -a	04:07
scylax	aha ok thanx no0tic	04:07
setite	Linux ubuntu 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux	04:07
martyr	scylax: i686 architecture, but use k7, this one's optimized for athlons	04:07
scylax	ok	04:07
manchot	Seminole, yes, I did. and got error msgs	04:08
setite	so that means that ubuntu installed the correct kernel right	04:08
Tomcat_	scylax: You need k7, 686 won't work probably.	04:08
martyr	Tomcat_: it works. backwards compatible.	04:08
scylax	ok, i always got i386 anyway, will look out for k7 now	04:08
Guardiann	setite are you using warty	04:08
martyr	anybody got an answer to my question? :(	04:08
setite	si senor	04:08
Guardiann	cool	04:08
setite	why	04:08
Guardiann	just wondering	04:09
Tomcat_	martyr: Didn't for me... Kernel panic or something :]	04:09
setite	can/should i update my kenel	04:09
scylax	dunno martyr, i'd check the XF86Config file	04:09
Guardiann	hoary has 2.6.10-2-386	04:09
scylax	/etc/X11/XF86Config-4	04:09
martyr	i did. ubuntu already added the appropriate modline for my resolution.	04:09
setite	2.6.10 of what.. gnome?	04:09
angusdung	anyone know what wouldl cause this error or how to fix it? "error activating xkb configuration" when starting an x session	04:10
Tomcat_	setite: Kernel	04:10
Guardiann	kernel	04:10
Bart6114	is there anyone that knows an answer to my question? is there maybe a safemode to start xserver?	04:10
setite	whoops yea	04:10
mike1	Bart 6114.. http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t267321.html	04:10
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setite	is there any reason for me to try and update the kernel?	04:10
mike1	maybe worth a shot.. found it on google	04:10
setite	is there any advantage?	04:10
Bart6114	thx i'll check it out	04:10
mike1	np	04:10
Guardiann	and 2.94 gnome	04:10
setite	ok tell me this	04:11
Guardiann	you may just want to wait 2.68 works well i though with warty	04:11
setite	if i do the distupgrade what will break	04:11
Guardiann	:)	04:11
scylax	setite,normally dist-upgrade breaks nothing	04:11
setite	nothing at all	04:11
Guardiann	the only problem i had with hoary was with the sound	04:11
scylax	warty upgrade right? not upgrading to hoary?	04:11
Guardiann	once i sorted that out hoary runs great	04:11
setite	i will have an updated ubuntu with no need to fix anything	04:11
setite	will it upgrade packages ive removed?	04:12
setite	like firefox	04:12
scylax	nope	04:12
mike1	bart... seems to be a vesa vs other drive thing... other google searches turn up similar stuff eg http://www.linuxcompatible.org/thread27992-1.html	04:12
setite	distupgrade upgrades to hoary doesnt it	04:12
Seminole	manchot, you habve used apt successfully for other programs right?	04:12
scylax	only if you modify your /etc/apt/sources.list file	04:12
setite	what does it do now then	04:12
setite	aren't most of my packages already updated	04:13
scylax	it upgrades warty(:	04:13
Seminole	manchot did you add extra repositories?	04:13
scylax	if you think it might break something you could do a backup previously	04:13
scylax	with partimage for example	04:13
setite	but arent most of the packages on the ubuntu repo not updates	04:13
manchot	Seminole, yes I did	04:13
setite	no room for backing up on this PC	04:14
scylax	ok	04:14
setite	ahhh nvm	04:14
setite	not gonna do anything	04:14
setite	i just wish i could get the dvd quality to improve	04:14
scylax	install mplayer	04:14
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scylax	no,wait	04:14
Guardiann	whats wrong with your dvd quality	04:14
sangriag	I am stuck here even at the very first stage of installation: :-(( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=12005	04:14
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setite	it wouldnt run	04:15
PotajiTo	wenas	04:15
setite	the quality sucks	04:15
setite	its blurry	04:15
Bart6114	mike1 i'm gonna try to set the driver to VESA if that doesn't work i'll be right back :)	04:15
Guardiann	have you run xine-check	04:15
setite	no whats that	04:15
scylax	setite,did you do this? -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats	04:15
setite	i have libdvdcss2	04:16
Guardiann	from your terminal type xine-check	04:16
setite	everythign was good on xine-check	04:16
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Guardiann	well thats a good thing	04:16
setite	is there nothing better than libdvdcss2 for decoding	04:17
setite	or perhaps a newer version	04:17
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setite	how do i determine the version i have	04:17
Guardiann	:) works good for me you and your newer versions :)	04:17
setite	i want better quality... i dont know what would do that... so anyt options you have would work... i just figured newer versions were the key	04:18
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setite	new xine did nothing but i didnt expect it to	04:18
sobralense	how I can know the installed .debs without using synaptic ?	04:18
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Guardiann	you have enough ram?	04:18
Pluk	sobralense, apt-get	04:18
setite	i read that totem was better... BUT it wont play dvds	04:18
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Guardiann	try vlc	04:19
sobralense	Pluk, yes but I did'nt find it	04:19
setite	is the quality better?	04:19
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LetterRip	Hello all, I read the meeting minutes and saw a mention of a site blocking tool to be developed for ubuntu, I have a fairly nice design document for a tool I call safeTNet that I'd be interested in having the coders consider	04:19
Guardiann	for you it maybe	04:19
sobralense	Pluk, I mean.. the command line	04:19
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LetterRip	any idea who I should contact, or an email list I should join, etc?	04:20
setite	should i install the VLC on the repo or should i get the newest version :)	04:20
occy	SOS: Upon boot... I keep getting: hw_random Fatal loading... How can I disable a module from loading at boot without being able to boot into the system to edit the blacklist thing?	04:20
snowblink	setite: what problems are you having with DVD playing?	04:20
Guardiann	lol get it from repo	04:21
setite	i am not happy with the quality... picture was better in windows... so...	04:21
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setite	your no fun Guardiann... you know i like new versions	04:21
setite	makes me feel special	04:21
mike1	occy... ubuntu live or knoppix could be an option	04:21
snowblink	setite: please define quality	04:21
Guardiann	yeh i know but they dont seem to work for you :)	04:21
setite	sharper image	04:22
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snowblink	setite: your resolution is the same?	04:22
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scylax	anyone here knows what NvAGP "true" in XF86Config-4 means?	04:22
occy	mike1: you can't simply set something like linux hw_random=no ?	04:22
occy	heh	04:22
TheGuild	what do I need to install to play mp3 streams (totem keeps whining about a required decoder)	04:22
`huihuoho	Hey all, i just tried to set the graphic driver to VESA, but i still get the "no screens found" error anyone knows waht i can try next?	04:23
no0tic	gnome applications panel merge different windows of the same app, how can I change this?	04:23
occy	I'd think you should be able to pass some command line param at boot time to get it to not load a module upon boot.	04:23
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mike1	heh. dunno if there are boot args like that for what you want.... sory	04:23
mike1	there may be...i just dont know abou thten	04:23
mike1	them	04:23
Guardiann	TheGuild have you looked at www.ubuntuguide.otg	04:23
TheGuild	Guardiann: will do :)	04:24
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`huihuoho	anyone know an answer to my question?	04:25
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mike1	sorry occy... google doesnt show much help ... at least not that i see. sounds like knoppix or ubuntu live time to me	04:26
sabdfl	Jan 21 15:25:14 slinky postfix/flush[22954] : fatal: service flush requires a process limit of 0	04:26
Bart61140	Hey all, i just tried to set the graphic driver to VESA, but i still get the "no screens found" error anyone knows waht i can try next?	04:26
sabdfl	what's the magic to get postfix to process its queue?	04:26
Guardiann	Bart61140/`huihuoho sorry i dont	04:26
Bart61140	is there maybe a safemode to start xerver?	04:26
Bart61140	xserver	04:26
setite	snowblink - i think your correct... im using a higher resolution on linux	04:27
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setite	because everything is a little bigger on nix than windows	04:27
Guardiann	higer would be smaller wouldnt it	04:27
mike1	sabdfl... >postqueue -f	04:27
sabdfl	mike1: thanks very much!	04:28
setite	but the video card would have to render differently	04:28
mike1	np	04:28
setite	because of increased pixels it would cause the picture to looks blurrier because it would have to multiply them	04:28
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Guardiann	higher res usually means better quality	04:28
setite	only in equivalent signals	04:29
setite	the dvd is designed for a tv...	04:29
setite	which has a much lower resolution	04:29
setite	if i had a better video card it would work better	04:29
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setite	my broken 6800gt has a hardware module for better video rendering	04:29
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Guardiann	if you say	04:29
setite	yea... video is one of the few things i understand	04:29
setite	ok imma try vlc	04:30
Guardiann	:)	04:30
Bart61140	is there maybe a safemode to start xerver?	04:31
setite	ooh i like vlc	04:31
Guardiann	told you didnt I	04:31
setite	quality isnt better but i know what the issue is with that... but i like being able to skip straight past the menus to the chapter i want	04:31
Guardiann	brb	04:32
SirPsy	i have a problem with my intel chipset	04:32
SirPsy	its the ich 5 bridge	04:32
SirPsy	is there a deb file for it ?	04:32
SirPsy	with an url	04:33
SirPsy	cuz i cant connect it to the internet because of the ich5 problem	04:33
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SirPsy	if i want to alter some hardware settings it kills things	04:33
SirPsy	:<	04:33
BockBilbo	how do i know which Xserver version im running?	04:33
netmonk	setite, what do you use to play dvd's?	04:33
mike1	bart what type of video card do you have	04:33
setite	i cant wait till hd-dvd become standard	04:33
setite	what program?	04:34
netmonk	yes	04:34
setite	i used xine	04:34
setite	im usin vlc atm	04:34
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netmonk	is it in universe?	04:34
Bart61140	mike i've got an integrated via/s3 unichrome	04:35
BockBilbo	do anyone know?	04:35
stav530	can anybody help me with plone in ubuntu	04:35
SirPsy	what file do i have to edit to force network linkspeed ?	04:35
setite	what vlc	04:35
setite	yea	04:35
setite	well actually i dunno if its in universe or multiverse	04:36
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setite	its in one of the ubuntu repos though	04:36
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mike1	bart... looks like lots of others have had that issue and may have something to do with X.. .http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=22991	04:37
mike1	ill keep looking but havent found a fix yet	04:38
Bart61140	k thx	04:38
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gt500	ow yeah :D i'm back :D	04:38
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gt500	btw Falstius, i found how to add keyb layouts :p	04:39
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Mitario	jojojo guys	04:39
kent	will the sync-freez in Hoary meen that gaim wont be upgraded from 1.1.1 to 1.1.2?	04:39
gt500	dpkg-reconfigure locales :)	04:39
gt500	Mitario, ;)	04:39
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mike1	bart.. have you tried running xf86config as root and building a new xconfig... or is that what you just did	04:40
Prower	kent: I imagine that if there's something particularly important in there, they'd probably update the package before long	04:40
snowblink	BockBilbo: apt-cache showpkg xserver-xfree86	04:40
Mitario	anyone knows the progress of bluetooth support in hoary? :)	04:40
Prower	Especially in the case of a security bug	04:40
BockBilbo	thanks	04:40
BockBilbo	;)	04:40
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markuman	english here or deutsch?	04:40
kent	Prower, ok. good. There was some mention of bugfix in the Changelog. So hopefully then.. :)	04:40
snowblink	BockBilbo: or xorg if you're running that	04:41
manchot	markuman, EN	04:41
gt500	markuman, english	04:41
markuman	ok thx	04:41
BockBilbo	:)	04:41
gt500	Mitario, nope , i don't	04:41
Prower	kent: Ahh, yes...often times I think patches are backported as well, so although you might technically be running 1.1.1 for example, it might have pertinent patches from later versions included in the release	04:41
mike1	bart.... what are the first lines of startx error... eg "XFree86 Version 3.3.6a / X Window System"... im looking for the version of x you have...	04:41
Prower	(But I'm not entirely sure about that :>)	04:41
markuman	i have problems...my hdd is broken and i have install ubuntu on another hdd. but apt-setup doesn work	04:41
kent	Prower, RedHat/Fedora does backport stuff alot, i think.. not sure if its something ubuntu does.	04:42
markuman	i can choise "ftp" but than nothing happen	04:42
BockBilbo	but anywyas.. i still dont have 3d acceleration	04:42
BockBilbo	:(	04:42
Prower	kent: Yes, I'm not too sure either...I know that in the case of the kernel, a lot of security patches have been backported, so I suppose they might do it elsewhere	04:42
gt500	markuman, :/ sudo synaptics	04:42
gt500	:)	04:42
Bart61140	mike i should have to reboot to see that, i have downloaded the latest ubuntu and update everything on install, does this tell you anything?	04:42
markuman	with "sudo passwd root" i have change a root pwd	04:43
markuman	but apt-setup doesnt work	04:43
BockBilbo	has anyone tried to print from ubuntu using samba for accessing a remote printer located in a windows machine?	04:43
gt500	BockBilbo, yeah :p works	04:44
gt500	:)	04:44
mike1	hum. it should... but honestly i dont know what version that would end you up with... ill have to power up an ubuntu box here to see what you would get on a vanilla install	04:44
BockBilbo	gt500, not for me	04:44
BockBilbo	dont know why... i get to establish a connection	04:44
gt500	you have a log	04:44
gt500	?	04:44
BockBilbo	but.. when printing	04:44
BockBilbo	it just passes all the pages	04:44
gt500	are all your settins correct ?	04:45
netmonk	setite, vlc plays the dvd fine - a little rough but no delays, with xine the movie stops every 2-3 seconds, any ideas?	04:45
BockBilbo	without printing anything	04:45
mike1	have you tried the ubuntu live disk or anything and seen if that works for you?	04:45
gt500	settings	04:45
BockBilbo	well not sure gt500	04:45
BockBilbo	...	04:45
snowblink	markuman: when you use sudo you are supposed to input your user password	04:45
BockBilbo	i have an epson stylus c64	04:45
gt500	how's the machine called on your windows machine ?	04:45
BockBilbo	SOBREMESA	04:45
BockBilbo	and the printer is called Impresora	04:45
BockBilbo	i think i have a problem with the cups driver	04:46
BockBilbo	:s	04:46
gt500	hmm :/	04:46
Bart61140	mike no not yet, you think it would make a difference?	04:46
markuman	snowblink: that is no problem. i have root rights, but apt-setup doesnt work	04:46
BockBilbo	is Epson Stylus Color 6400 the same printer as Stylus C64	04:46
BockBilbo	?	04:46
snowblink	markuman: if you want to alter your sources, then you can just use vi /etc/apt/sources.list	04:46
markuman	but why doesnt apt-setup work on ubuntu?	04:47
gt500	markuman, it does here ..	04:47
gt500	corrupt install ?	04:47
gt500	BockBilbo, don't think so ..	04:47
setite	netmonk enable DMA	04:47
markuman	but not here :-D	04:48
BockBilbo	:s	04:48
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BockBilbo	gt500, so.. this is wierd.. cause in the other pc, which has the printer, i also have debian SID and the printer works fine using cups	04:48
setite	sounds like your network sucks	04:49
gt500	idd :p	04:49
gt500	lol	04:49
gt500	BockBilbo, check your settings one more time	04:49
kent	I have an problem i want to solve. I just read on planet.gnome.org about Luis Villa who saved a file (using gnome, not cli) to a server from the screendump-dialog. If i want to do the same, and add my Ubuntu-server (/var/www/ for example) how should i do this? if i choose "connect to server" from gnome i can choose from ftp, ssh etc. But since ubuntu is sudo based, isn't it impossible for me to choose a way that lets me add files to for exam	04:49
kent	ple /var/www? ftp cant login with root, since root is disabled. :(	04:49
gt500	or compare it from your debian;	04:49
gt500	;)	04:49
kent	sorry for the long message :(	04:49
BockBilbo	ok	04:49
BockBilbo	i think i know what happens	04:50
BockBilbo	linux printing says the best driver is gimp's	04:50
gt500	what di you choose in the wizard ?	04:50
netmonk	setite, sorry for the dummy question, but how?	04:50
BockBilbo	Epson	04:50
oliv45	hello	04:50
BockBilbo	Stylus Color 640	04:51
gt500	no	04:51
oliv45	did anyone install vmware with ubuntu ?	04:51
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gt500	CUPS , SMB , LPD ?	04:51
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scylax	hi how can i disable agpgart ?	04:51
snowblink	netmonk: man hdparm	04:51
BockBilbo	smb	04:51
BockBilbo	of course	04:51
Falstius	BockBilbo, there is a nice print driver available from epkepo or some such	04:51
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BockBilbo	oks	04:52
BockBilbo	but i think ive fixed it	04:52
oliv45	y'a des franais en ligne :p ?	04:52
manchot	oliv45, pas moi	04:52
gt500	BockBilbo, download the drivers from your website	04:53
oliv45	argl flut alors !	04:53
gt500	epson ..	04:53
manchot	oliv45, #ubuntufr ?	04:53
BockBilbo	yes	04:53
manchot	oliv45, or #mandrakefr or #debutant	04:53
oliv45	ah c un canal franais a ?	04:53
scylax	it's #ubuntu-fr	04:53
oliv45	oki fine	04:53
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setite	does oatmeal go bad?	04:56
Riddell	setite: not unless it gets damp or gets beasties	04:56
setite	will it look bad	04:56
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setite	im hungry... and i found a thing of oatmeal	04:57
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setite	it looks fine and smells fine but the package says use by oct 1998	04:57
setite	hehe	04:57
superted	anyone using fasttrack from that berlios rep. ?	04:57
tony_	Hi I am having problems getting pppoe to work after reboots	04:57
Riddell	setite: is oatmeal like porridge oats?	04:57
Seminole	must have some serious munchies to eat something with an exp date of 1998	04:57
setite	i think so	04:57
tony_	I have to run pppoeconf as sudo each time...	04:58
Riddell	setite: it'll be fine	04:58
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setite	well i didnt think oatmeal had an expiry date	04:58
setite	but the box has one	04:58
tony_	Is there somewhere to put pon so it runs automatically?	04:58
Seminole	Yeah, I think so too.. Let us know if it's yummy..	04:58
setite	thanks riddell i figured that.... can i hold you to that incase i get sick	04:58
setite	haha	04:58
setite	it is yummuy	04:58
Seminole	I wouldn't eat the box though, it's obviously expired :)	04:58
setite	i started eatign it before i thought abotu it	04:58
setite	so i suppose its too late either way	04:59
setite	porridge oats eh	04:59
haakonn	what do i have to install to get g++? i assume that's what i need when configure says c++ can't create executables?	04:59
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setite	thats what they call it in the rest of the world	04:59
BockBilbo	thans all	04:59
BockBilbo	ie fixed it	05:00
BockBilbo	:)	05:00
froud	anyone had a situation where wharty hags while installing the base system?	05:00
setite	eww so porridge and whey is what... oatmeal and cheese?	05:00
setite	or is whey an oat too	05:00
haakonn	(/me on an expensive dialup, any help appreciated ;)	05:00
setite	whoops im thinking of curds and whey	05:00
setite	curds is cheese right	05:00
setite	ok nvm	05:00
Seminole	You need g++	05:00
Seminole	It's listed in synaptic..	05:01
haakonn	Seminole: i know, but is that the package name?	05:01
Seminole	Search for it and install	05:01
haakonn	d'oh, it's simply called g++, thanks	05:01
Seminole	yeah, search g++ in synaptic. I see a few diff versions in there	05:01
Seminole	np	05:02
haakonn	i use apt directly right now, this is kind of a slow system	05:02
Falstius	its probably better to apt-get install build-essentials than g++ directly.	05:02
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setite	you can still search with apt-get	05:02
haakonn	btw, if anyone has any advice on getting the HPLIP printer driver working, it would be much appreciated	05:03
pybe-lappy	i thought search was done with apt-search	05:03
pybe-lappy	apt-cache even	05:03
Seminole	Yeah, those things can be a little confusing but even when installing gcc in synaptic, it gets all the dependencies.	05:03
setite	forgive me... ill rephrse	05:03
setite	you can still search with APT	05:03
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pybe-lappy	ahh	05:03
setite	i call it all apt-get.. however wrong that may be	05:03
BockBilbo	well	05:03
BockBilbo	thanks to all	05:03
MagicFab	I need help re-installing grub	05:03
BockBilbo	bye!	05:03
pybe-lappy	i just though id missed an option some where	05:04
MagicFab	1) installed ubuntu 2) installed WinXP in separate part 3) grub gone!	05:04
Falstius	magicFab, grub-install /dev/hda	05:04
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Seminole	You need to install winders first	05:04
MagicFab	txs., cand I do that from a Knoppix boot ?	05:04
MagicFab	(safe ?)	05:04
Falstius	MagicFab: yep.	05:04
Seminole	well, you can probably get it working but in the future, save the headache and insall win first.	05:04
setite	what is the ubuntu live cd built on	05:04
setite	i wish you could buy ubuntu printed cds	05:05
Falstius	setite, they give them away for free.	05:05
Guardiann	you can :)	05:05
Seminole	You can get them free	05:05
setite	yea but it takes forever	05:05
Seminole	go to the site and order some.	05:05
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setite	when you buy things its faster	05:05
MagicFab	Seminole: I would have if I could	05:05
setite	i ordered them in october	05:05
Guardiann	buy the magizine linux user its attached	05:05
setite	well actually early november	05:05
setite	linux user has ubuntu?	05:05
Seminole	Mine took forever too but I got em.. :)	05:05
setite	really?	05:06
Guardiann	yep	05:06
setite	you think it will have hoary?	05:06
setite	when hoary is released	05:06
pybe-lappy	ohh xfce 4.2 rc2 is nice	05:06
setite	can i even get that in the US	05:06
Guardiann	infact ubuntu and agnula/demudi were attached	05:06
Guardiann	i am sure you can i bought it in canada	05:06
MagicFab	Fals: I'm using Knoppix which complains about being a read-only system	05:06
Guardiann	hoary is released in April	05:07
MagicFab	Falstius: /dev/hda is the right device, though	05:07
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Guardiann	setite the price in US is 11.99	05:08
Seminole	setite.. My guess; as soon as you buy it, your CDs will arrive the next day.. Don't buy it and they'll never come.. :)	05:08
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Falstius	MagicFab: yeah. After you run install-grub you may has have to run grub and point it to your boot directory.	05:09
MagicFab	Falstius: grub-install is the one complaining about /dev/hda1 being a read-only FS	05:10
Falstius	don't install to /dev/hda1, install to /dev/hda	05:10
setite	where do i get the cd	05:10
setite	is there a good linux magazine in the US thats on most shelves	05:11
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MagicFab	Falstius: same error	05:11
setite	i worked at a Barnes and Noble and dont remember one	05:11
snowblink	setite: I like linux journal	05:12
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pybe-lappy	setite: i got my cds on linux user mag	05:12
pybe-lappy	setite: nm its mainly a uk magazine	05:14
Guardiann	its sold in the states and canada as well	05:14
snowblink	is there anyway to tell gnome to always do something to a window? eg. always on top and on all desktops?	05:14
Falstius	magicfab, try unmounting the filesystem	05:16
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Falstius	I did it once from a mandrake live cd.	05:16
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setite	whats a good place for cheap laptops	05:20
setite	like in the 500-700 dollar range...	05:20
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otter	... & when i woke up this morning and rebooted the machine ubuntu desktop appeared :)	05:21
otter	and it works	05:21
Falstius	I wish I could easily buy electronics at US prices :-/	05:22
otter	order online?	05:23
Hwolf	Falstius, just today I read an article about companies just doing whatever they can to prevent you from doing just that.	05:23
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Hwolf	otter, you'd run into problems, since companies are optimising their hardware for the specific markets. You don't get a 220v adaptor with a US gameboy, for instance.	05:23
Falstius	Hwolf, probably in response to the printer cartidge crap.	05:23
Falstius	Otter, but then I have to get it to me.	05:23
amiroff	hello people, anyone here has any exp. with KDE on Ubuntu?	05:23
Hwolf	Falstius, that's right.	05:23
Falstius	whats worse though, is that even if you're willing to pay rediculous prices, it is really hard to find the latest and greatest here (france)	05:25
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Hwolf	Falstius, same here. (Holland)	05:26
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KING^^^	hello all , help me with something , how can i extract an rar file ?	05:27
KING^^^	i mean many rar files from a folder	05:28
Hwolf	KING, install unrar	05:28
Falstius	unrar -e	05:28
Falstius	unrar --help can tell you pretty well.	05:28
Hwolf	Falstius, unrar isn't a main package. It's universe/multiverse	05:28
KING^^^	and ... in that directory are many rar files , how do i do ? unrar -e directory ?	05:29
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Falstius	if you mean multiple rar files that aren't part of the same package you'd have to do	05:29
Falstius	for file in `ls`; do unrar -e $file; done	05:29
Falstius	if they're part of the same package you can just unrar the first one and it will find the rest.	05:30
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KING^^^	this is how it looks like	05:30
KING^^^	root@ubuntu:/mnt/d/filme/Exorcist.The.Beginning.WS.DVDSCR.XviD-MoF # ls	05:30
KING^^^	mof-exocist.part01.rar mof-exocist.part19.rar mof-exocist.part37.rar	05:30
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KING^^^	so .... ?	05:31
ICU	for i in *.rar; do unrar -e $i; done	05:32
setite	anyone listening to howard stern	05:32
Falstius	unrar -e mof-exocist.part01.rar	05:32
Falstius	it will find the rest.	05:32
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Riddell	amiroff: yes, I do ubuntu with KDE	05:33
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KING^^^	it doesn't work Falstius	05:35
amiroff	Riddell: great, I just installed KDE 3.3.2, everything seems fine,but...	05:36
Riddell	./me awaits the but	05:36
amiroff	Riddell: I am having constant lock ups :( even with previous KDE 3.2.2 had	05:36
amiroff	Riddell: currently disable arts, waiting for another lock up :) guess it's the arts guilty...	05:37
Riddell	amiroff: what locks up? 1 app? X? whole machine?	05:37
amiroff	Riddell: actually it only locks up keyboard, mouse can be moved, but cannot click on anything	05:38
amiroff	Riddell: system seems to continue running without problems, still I have to reset machine though	05:38
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Riddell	amiroff: very strange, doesn't sound like an arts of KDE issue though, do you suspect anything of triggering the lockups?	05:39
Riddell	s/of/or/	05:39
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amiroff	Riddell: yes, for example, I enabled OsX style menu on top, I log in kde, and as soon as I browse through top menu, things lock up	05:40
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amiroff	currently, with arts disabled, it does not happen anymore, so I am happy :)	05:41
G2	what a time. Just upgraded via pat to hoary - 4hrs. Menus a total mess and font is bad, also keyboard language now changed	05:41
Riddell	amiroff: does that consistenly happen every time you try it?	05:41
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mikael_	Hmm my usb camera (fujifilm a310) is detected by the kernel. But no /dev devices are created. Is there someway that I can create one myself ? Dmesg tells me this : usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 5	05:41
amiroff	Riddell: kde seems to lock up and keyboard does not work to do the Ctrl	05:42
amiroff	Riddell: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace thing	05:42
dud	read the gphoto manual on setting usb permissions mikael_	05:42
dud	its a straigth forward copy-paste job :)	05:42
dud	did wonders for my camera	05:42
mikael_	dud, so not having a dev entry is normal ?	05:42
dud	mikael_, http://www.gphoto.org/doc/manual/permissions-usb.html	05:42
mikael_	thanks .. i'll try it	05:43
dud	it uses hotplug to dynamically detect your camera and load it when you plug it in	05:43
amiroff	Riddell: it happens everytime I try it yeah, but now, it does not after disabling sound server, strange indeed	05:43
dud	the easiest is to setup usbcam.user in that guide	05:43
dud	or usbcam.group	05:43
setite	nah there are easier ways	05:43
setite	jp.. i dont know anythign abotu cameras	05:44
setite	i wish my cellphone would connect to linux... thats my camera	05:44
dud	hows linux bluetooth support btw?	05:45
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amiroff	Riddell: does your KDE run smoothly on Hoary ?	05:45
dud	barely working? no workie?	05:45
Riddell	amiroff: yep, runs perfectly, arts and all (and mac OS style menu bar)	05:45
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ironwolf	in OOo->draw how do I make the grid dots darker/more visible?	05:46
amiroff	Riddell: great to hear that :)	05:46
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Riddell	amiroff: I'm not sure how else to help, I guess you could submit a report to bugzilla.ubuntu.com with as much information as possible and see if anyone else has the same problem	05:47
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Riddell	amiroff: does it happen when you just play a sound: artsplay /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Error_1.ogg	05:48
fraggsta	I've been having a big problem with Ubuntu.	05:48
fraggsta	Since Nvidia's drivers version 6629 won't work with my card, I need to use version 6111.	05:48
ironwolf	fraggsta: what's your question?	05:48
amiroff	Riddell: nope, it plays just fine	05:48
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fraggsta	there doesn't appear to be any package for that version of the Nvidia drivers, so I had to use makekpkg to compile my own kernel, and then manually install the drivers.	05:49
amiroff	Riddell: I am afraid to enable arts again because I have rebooted over 8-9 times this hour :)	05:49
fraggsta	Unfortunately, every time I shut down and restart, Ubuntu is doing something that overwrites the manually installed Nvidia drivers and stopping X.org from starting.	05:49
Riddell	amiroff: hmm, tricky	05:50
fraggsta	I don't have any other kernels than the one I compiled myself installed, and I don't have the restricted-modules package installed either	05:50
fraggsta	so what is doing this on boot?	05:50
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amiroff	Riddell: any idea on why does Ubuntu not ship with font hinting enabled? it improves the look very much	05:51
fraggsta	and is there a package for version 6111 of nvidia's drivers?	05:51
wasabi_	amblin: it does.	05:51
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wasabi_	amiroff: it does	05:51
amiroff	wasabi_: I mean freetype autohinter	05:52
amiroff	wasabi_: the thing you turn on in /etc/fonts/local.conf	05:52
bretzel	Hi all :-) need the command for apt-get for nvidia-glx and the config command - Forgot those -	05:53
wasabi_	oh, AUTO hinting for non hinted fonts.	05:53
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bretzel	I've changed my Motherbaord and re-sintalled Ubuntu - need to re-do ALL :-(	05:53
bretzel	what is the nvidia pkg name for that 3d accel ??	05:54
amiroff	wasabi_: yeah, after enabling that, fonts rock here, better than macos and windows rendering I can say	05:54
ironwolf	Found answer. Thanks.	05:55
bretzel	Oh! -- oh my forget my request!!!! I know ubuntu support site is full of the needed answers!! :-) forgive me for my silly behaivour :-)	05:56
linuxboy	bretzel: forgiven	05:56
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bretzel	linuxboy: :-) thanks - just finished to install the pkgs, -	06:04
bretzel	restarting :-)	06:04
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srid	modpython still depends on python2.3	06:06
srid	but I only have python2.4 installed	06:07
srid	how do I install modpython _for_ python2.4?	06:07
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tony_	Still having problems with pppoeconf...	06:07
tony_	After reboot I get following error: tony@Perez ~ $ sudo pon dsl-provider	06:08
tony_	Plugin rp-pppoe.so loaded.	06:08
tony_	Linux kernel does not support PPPoE -- are you running 2.4.x?	06:08
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KingCiro	hola alguien habla espaol aqui?	06:09
tony_	Can anybody tell me why pppoedoesn't want to work after reboot?	06:09
Ex-Cyber	srid: weird, apt-get wants to grab libapache2-mod-python-2.4 for me... have you updated lately?	06:10
srid	i updated 5 hrs before	06:10
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tony_	Do I need to put the pppoe module somewhere?	06:11
srid	Ex-Cyber, are u using official mirror?	06:11
Ex-Cyber	srid: possibly not	06:12
froud	wharty base system installation error - The debootstrap program exited with error. Anyone know why this happens?	06:12
srid	The following packages have unmet dependencies:	06:12
srid	libapache-mod-python: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu4 is to be installed	06:12
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srid	i updated	06:12
srid	still depends on 2.3	06:12
Ex-Cyber	srid: nm, was looking at libapache2-mod-python	06:13
Ex-Cyber	and you are looking at libapache-mod-python	06:13
srid	Ex-Cyber, oh	06:13
srid	i did apt-cache search modpython	06:13
srid	which only returned libapache-mod-python	06:13
froud	System installation into /target/ failed	06:14
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Ex-Cyber	KingCiro: #ubuntu-es	06:15
trey3	srid, I see libapache2-mod-python2.4 in hoary (which is where python2.4 is...)	06:15
spiral	hi	06:15
srid	it works	06:15
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neighborlee	I changed warty to hoary in apt sources and installed new nvidia-glx along with other dependencies ( just few)...rebooted ( to find several duplicate entries in grub menu for starters) and while I got kernel to boot ok I had trouble with nvidia driver ..it said kernel module was 6111 yet something else was 6629 ??? ( so I had to revert to warty and reinstall 6111 nvidia driver).....	06:16
fraggsta	so is there no way at all to use a non-packaged version of the nvidia drivers and not have them break every time I reboot?	06:16
trey3	srid, hmm... even in hoary though, seems libapache2-mod-python depends python >= 2.4?	06:16
trey3	srid, when was the last time you apt-get update'd?	06:17
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srid	trey3, just now	06:17
srid	now i am installing libapache2-mod-python .. which depends in python2.4 :)	06:17
trey3	ok... much better :)	06:17
srid	trey3, have you programmed using modpython?	06:18
KingCiro	Ex-Cyber Idon?t know how acces it	06:18
trey3	srid, nah... just know how to use the package system ;)	06:19
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Ex-Cyber	KingCiro: I don't know if it will work in Opera, but try this: /join #ubuntu-es	06:19
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LinuxJones	hey everybody	06:25
neighborlee	another thing..why are linux-sources 2.6.8.1 not same as default installed kernel of 2.6.8.1-2-i386 ??..this is preventing me from intalling nvidia drivers the normal way ;((	06:26
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typo	my ubuntu CD is broken	06:29
typo	can I do a network install instead?	06:29
typo	the cd boots and installs	06:30
typo	but starts to get very slow when reading some sectors	06:30
typo	if I could tell it to fetch the packages elsewhere it would probably work	06:30
trey3	typo, I kind of wish there was a network install option...	06:30
typo	trey3: ok, then	06:30
typo	I'll burn another CD	06:30
typo	off to buy a CD then	06:30
LinuxJones	trey3, Network install form the LiveCD would be awesome :D	06:31
trey3	LinuxJones, eh... still too much to download and burn...	06:32
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trey3	LinuxJones, my favorate thing about Fedora is that their boot.iso image can be used to install... its just over 5 megs!!!	06:32
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Seminole	Anyone know what package installs gnomeConf.sh??	06:33
trey3	LinuxJones, something simular would be awesome!	06:33
randabis	yeah ideally you could install from the network with a floppy or two	06:33
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randabis	that would rock	06:34
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trey3	Seminole, apt-get install apt-file and apt-get search the_file	06:34
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nxterra	How can I install a custom ubuntu warty (ie, openoffice,gimp,gaim,xchat,firefox,evolution,gnome) thats all. How do I update to the lastest versions of these apps or update to (hoary). This is only thing keeping me from switching from Fedora core 3	06:34
trey3	uhh... apt-file search	06:34
LinuxJones	trey3, Fedora has alot of nice features but needs a real package mgmt. system.	06:34
trey3	nxterra, boot with 'custom'.	06:34
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jmones	Hello! I need to find /usr/include/X11/Xauth.h but it's not in xlibs-static-dev as in Debian. Where is it?	06:34
randabis	doesn't custom do a minimal install? thought it was linux custom...not sure	06:35
trey3	LinuxJones, yes... once you install Ubuntu once.. provided nothing breaks... you never need do it again... but still... such a large image :(	06:35
nxterra	trey3, thanks...can you suggest a step by step install guide for someone like me that has little expererience with linux?	06:35
trey3	randabis, custom lets you select via aptitude...	06:35
randabis	ah okay	06:35
LinuxJones	trey3, thankfully :D	06:35
neofeed	hmmm okay I did a major mistake :) System has two users: root, einstein. now I ran 'sudo usermod -l max einstein'	06:36
thenuke	nxterra: hmm, why you want to update to hoary? it still is very unstable as far as I know. You for sure might have to re-install everything if you update to hoary :)	06:36
neofeed	and I sucessfully locked me out... gotta do some init=/bin/bash next time I'm on that box...	06:36
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trey3	nxterra, you'd basically be using straight debian-install ... there are many howto's for that... search 'debian-installer howto' via google...	06:36
nxterra	thenuke, I am off from work today and bored really. :) ... I just want to see it :)	06:37
randabis	I don't think it is that unstable personally. It's gotten a lot better really	06:37
thenuke	I think that hoary is not that different you would see about anything different?	06:37
trey3	thenuke, I'm using it... not very unstable at all... of course major things cause headaches (like the menu problems)	06:37
Seminole	It's in package libgnome-dev	06:37
thenuke	trey3: yup, but many who have done it, have had to reinstall	06:38
Seminole	I searched all over and wouldn't you know it. As soon as I ask, I find a good link on the Debian website..	06:38
trey3	thenuke, other then playing with new toys like transparency... and seeing whats new with GNOME 2.9... not much different at all...	06:38
jmones	Seminole: do you refer to Xauth.h?	06:38
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Seminole	no	06:38
thenuke	is there a lot new things in that gnome?	06:38
randabis	there's also ALOT of updated packages	06:38
trey3	thenuke, nothing huge... no...	06:39
thenuke	mmkay	06:39
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duckdown	Hi.. I'm recompiling into kernel 2.6.10, but it's hanging on boot giving me about 15 error messages saying ERROR: Cannot read MAC address on /dev/tun* .. I dont need these /dev/tun things! and I've disabled ETHERTAP and TUNNELING in my menuconfig but something is still calling this! help!	06:39
trey3	duckdown, any reason you're not just using the recompiled? didn't get into warty-updates or anything?	06:40
trey3	actually... that prolly wouldn't huh? :/	06:40
trey3	duckdown, don't mind me	06:40
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duckdown	:[	06:40
pusling	hmm... where do I tell gdm and gnome what keyboard-layout I want to use ?	06:41
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duckdown	speaking of cheesy GDM.. why the hell wont it start	06:42
duckdown	my screen will flicker black	06:42
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pusling	duckdown: wrong configuration of xfree ?	06:42
duckdown	then i have to pick DISABLE for now.. then i look at the logs and it says 'no screens available'	06:42
duckdown	i've edited XF86Conf like 8 times	06:42
duckdown	its fine	06:42
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duckdown	maybe it doenst like Nvidia 6800 GT's	06:43
trey3	pusling, dpkg-reconfigure debconf... set to 'low' ... then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86...	06:43
LinuxJones	pusling, you do that on the gdm login screen.	06:43
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trey3	pusling, enless you don't mind playing with the file?	06:43
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pusling	trey3: I have a costumized xmodmap-file, that I want to use	06:43
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LinuxJones	duckdown, did you install the nvidia binary driver ?	06:44
duckdown	no	06:44
duckdown	:]	06:44
duckdown	this is a brand new install.. first time using ubuntu	06:44
eruin	anyone experiencing fuzzy sound lately?	06:44
LinuxJones	duckdown, you have nv for the video card driver to use or vesa ?	06:44
DudeX	are there any howtos for setting up a local repository?	06:44
duckdown	LinuxJones: nope, it says nv	06:44
pusling	duckdown: are you half-experienced user - or new user ?	06:44
trey3	pusling, bah... ok... Keyboard section of XF86Config (or xorg.conf) ... XkbLayout ...	06:44
duckdown	pusling: experienced enough to know there is nothing wrong with my xf86config	06:45
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nxterra	is there anyway to install hoary development without install warty first and then upgrading?	06:45
LinuxJones	duckdown, you can have a look @ /var/log/XFree86.0.log it might provide some information	06:45
pusling	duckdown: okay... (Else I would just boot on a ubuntu-live or a knoppix and steal the config-files)	06:45
randabis	odds are you don't have restricted modules installed with your new kernel	06:45
SirFred	Hi. I would like to know why my ubuntu does not set DMA=1 on my cdrom drive.	06:46
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randabis	you should change it to vesa until you download and install the nvidia binary driver	06:46
SirFred	I have:	06:46
SirFred	PIIX4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later	06:46
SirFred	ide0: BM-DMA at 0x1c10-0x1c17, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio	06:46
SirFred	ide1: BM-DMA at 0x1c18-0x1c1f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio	06:46
SirFred	hdc is my cd drive.	06:46
SirFred	Later	06:46
SirFred	Probing IDE interface ide1...	06:46
SirFred	hdc: SONY CD-RW/DVD-ROM CRX810E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive	06:46
spiral	hmmm... any new about smart batteries driver ?	06:46
SirFred	But no mention on DMA.	06:46
LinuxJones	DudeX, you would need apt-proxy to setup a local repository for several systems to use.	06:46
SirFred	hdparm -d /dev/hdc	06:47
SirFred	/dev/hdc:	06:47
SirFred	using_dma = 0 (off)	06:47
duckdown	randabis: where do i obtain these nvidia drivers.. nvidia.com ?	06:47
LinuxJones	SirFred, plsease stop spamming	06:47
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SirFred	I tried to workaround this, just configuring hdparm to enable DMA on the CD.	06:47
randabis	theoretically you CAN grab the 2.6.10 linux image and restricted modules from hoary and install them into warty...some people have does this anyway	06:47
LinuxJones	duckdown, have a look here >> http://ubuntuguide.org	06:47
SirFred	LinuxJones: Well, it's not a full dmesg, just three lines.	06:47
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SirFred	LinuxJones: I was trying to explain my problem, and selecting only the interesting lines.	06:48
randabis	duckdown, yes	06:48
duckdown	Fatal Error: No Screens Found	06:48
duckdown	thats what var/log/xf86 comes down to	06:48
SirFred	LinuxJones: So, what do you suggest me? I can just say "it doesn't work"	06:49
randabis	you should edit your xf86config-4 and change nv to vesa	06:49
duckdown	alright, let me try	06:49
randabis	odds are you didn't include the nvidia driver with your custom kernel	06:49
LinuxJones	SirFred, dude relax	06:49
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randabis	SirFred there are places to post things like that though...like #flood or www.pastebin.com	06:50
gumpish	Dur, am I crazy or on some chipset/distro combinations is there a way to find the temperature of the CPU in /proc/acpi ?	06:50
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KingCiro	somebody speak in spanish	06:51
nxterra	what ever happened to http://rafb.net/paste/	06:51
SirFred	It was only 8 lines.	06:51
SirFred	KingCiro: I speak spanish.	06:51
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jmones	KingCiro, me too if you need somebody else	06:51
KingCiro	hola SirFred	06:51
KingCiro	de que cuernos estan hablando aca	06:52
SirFred	KingCiro: Ubuntu, una distribucin de Linux basada en debian.	06:52
KingCiro	ahh	06:52
KingCiro	gracias	06:52
DudeX	LinuxJones, Thanks I'll check it out	06:52
LinuxJones	DudeX, gl :)	06:52
SirFred	KingCiro: No se merecen.	06:52
KingCiro	que no se merecen?	06:52
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SirFred	KingCiro: Las gracias	06:53
KingCiro	porque?	06:53
SirFred	KingCiro: En Espaa se responde as muchas veces, a las gracias.	06:53
SirFred	KingCiro: Es como quien dice "de nada"	06:53
jmones	KingCiro: mira el canal #ubuntu-es para tener informacin de ubuntu en espaol	06:53
KingCiro	perdona mi ignorancia	06:53
SirFred	KingCiro: Supongo que no eres espaol, por eso te habr chocado.	06:54
KingCiro	queria hacerte un ultima pregunta y no te molesto mas...	06:54
randabis	wow I actually understand that somewhat :p	06:54
Fator_Dee	me too	06:54
SirFred	KingCiro: A mi no me molestas en absoluto, no s al resto.	06:54
KingCiro	no	06:54
KingCiro	creo que si	06:54
SirFred	KingCiro: Por?	06:54
KingCiro	ayer me echaron aunque estaba hablando en Ingles	06:55
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KingCiro	porque me insultaron y respondi!	06:55
SirFred	KingCiro: Bueno, no hay que llegar a eso.	06:55
Fator_Dee	but still, you should go to #ubuntu-es	06:55
wasabi_	Is there a notification program for new email with evolution?	06:55
SirFred	KingCiro: esto es un canal de ayuda, para charlar, no para insultarse. Y de todos modos, hay un canal en espaol.	06:55
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KingCiro	la pregunta que te iba a hacer es si sabes como conseguir una cuenta shell?	06:56
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SirFred	KingCiro: Ni idea.	06:56
KingCiro	ok I now speak in English	06:56
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SirFred	I've seen that ide-cd is loaded after hdparm is started on startup. Is that right? I think that's the reason hdparm is not finding my /dev/hdc. Could be?	06:57
crypticreign	can anyone get mp4(quicktime) moveis to play with totem	06:58
SirFred	On that way, I'm not able to put dma-mode on in my cdrom drive automatically	06:58
SirFred	crypticreign: You're talking about totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?	06:58
KingCiro	you see fator_dee? he ask me I go out	06:58
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crypticreign	SirFred: er um.. hmm, didnt know there was two.. i think totem-xine	06:59
SirFred	crypticreign: What package have you installed?	06:59
randabis	for mp4 playback, you need w32codecs	06:59
SirFred	randabis: And totem-xine, isn't it?	06:59
randabis	not sure, I use gxine myself	06:59
KingCiro	how I do to go to ubuntu-es?	06:59
SirFred	I'm not able to play near anything, with totem-gstreamer.	07:00
randabis	King /join #ubuntu-es	07:00
SirFred	KingCiro: Just type /join #ubuntu-es	07:00
KingCiro	thank you SirFred you?re a gentleman!	07:01
randabis	I'm installing totem-xine now to check it out	07:01
SirFred	KingCiro: One of the last ones.	07:01
crypticreign	SirFred: totem-gstreamer.. it appears i cant have both totem-gstreamer and totem-xine	07:01
SirFred	randabis: Yes, with totem-xine is working fine for me.	07:01
SirFred	crypticreign: No, they conflicts.	07:01
SirFred	crypticreign: No, they conflict.	07:02
crypticreign	ok, so i need to install totem-xine and download which package for w32	07:02
SirFred	crypticreign: But, it's only 70 or 80 Kb download.	07:02
SirFred	crypticreign: w32codecs	07:02
crypticreign	ok	07:02
crypticreign	thanks	07:02
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randabis	gah	07:02
KingCiro	I am in ubuntu-es but nobody here	07:02
SirFred	Nobody? Let's see	07:03
SirFred	KingCiro: 14 people is nobody?	07:03
randabis	gah no sound in totem-xine and the playback isn't great	07:03
SirFred	randabis: I have sound on totem-xine.	07:03
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SirFred	randabis: And the playback is not bad.	07:04
randabis	well I didn't have sound in totem-gstreamer either...	07:04
randabis	and it seems the preferences menu is severely lacking	07:05
SirFred	randabis: gnome style.	07:05
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randabis	I have a feeling it's just not using esd	07:05
randabis	but since these preferences menus SUCK, I can't change the output plugins	07:05
randabis	guess I'll go on back to gxine...at least that works correctly	07:06
SirFred	randabis: I suppose they think that the average user don't need to know even what a plugin is	07:06
randabis	gah	07:07
randabis	I'm gonna try something to verify if that's what's wrong	07:07
SirFred	randabis: Now that I see the preferences menu on gxine, I understand why you think the totem ones are poor.	07:07
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lobo_nz	randabis: I have been using vlc from www.videolan.org It seems to play everything except .wmv and .rm playback is good for me	07:07
randabis	vlc is so friggin' ugly though	07:07
SirFred	Well, my totem-xine is also able to play rm.	07:07
SirFred	lobo_nz: Is vlc interface gtk2, at least?	07:08
randabis	no vlc is gtk 1	07:08
crypticreign	hmm, no sound with totem-xine	07:08
lobo_nz	randabis: yup, but in full screen I cant see it	07:08
SirFred	Buff, I can't live with that.	07:08
SirFred	lobo_nz: :)	07:08
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randabis	YEP	07:09
randabis	totem-xine is NOT using esd	07:09
lobo_nz	SirFred: not sure its got a rip off quicktime skin by default, I'll take a look	07:09
randabis	as soon as I killed esd it plays sound	07:09
randabis	that's bull	07:09
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randabis	now to figure out how in the hell you are supposed to change that	07:09
SirFred	My totem-xine is using /dev/snd/controlC0 and /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p directly	07:10
lobo_nz	SirFred: no its not GTK2 very ugly	07:10
SirFred	And I have esd also started.	07:10
randabis	I don't know then...	07:11
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randabis	I just know it started playing sound as soon as I killed esd	07:11
SirFred	randabis: And you're using alsa?	07:11
randabis	yes	07:11
SirFred	randabis: Perhaps your sound card doesn't allow that	07:11
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randabis	I'm using the nforce2 alsa drivers in hoary	07:12
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drac	omg, big channel. ubuntu offer similar netinstaller than debiansarge somewhere? going to change from debian sid to ubuntu now.	07:13
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Stew2	If there are two users, User account Bla is member of the group Blagroup, and User Admin is member of the group Admingroup. And User Admin is member of Blagroup, I want Admin user to be able to read and write user account Bla's files. Why can't I? Permissions are R&W for the group Blagroup.	07:16
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melazyboy	then he can	07:16
melazyboy	something is wrong	07:16
HappyFool	maybe the directory permissions are wrong	07:16
Stew2	checking it out	07:17
melazyboy	yea if you can create new files then it could be the directory permissions	07:17
melazyboy	you should still be able to edit prexisting files though	07:17
randabis	drac iirc, the ubuntu installer is exactly the same as the sarge installer	07:17
Stew2	Yup. The user account Bla's home folder does not have Write permissions for the group.	07:18
Stew2	Neither does the subfolder 'files' I'm working in.	07:18
Stew2	When I change the permissions for Bla's home folder, how do I make that propigate? CHMOD -R something or other?	07:19
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Stew2	propigate=recurse	07:19
HappyFool	yip	07:19
HappyFool	chmod --help	07:19
thoreauputic	Stew2: yes, chmod -R should do it	07:19
Stew2	CHMOD is a daunting tool. Not that 'I' can't use it. I'm more interested in finding out how to fix the problem through the GUI.	07:20
Stew2	I work with other users who are not as handy.	07:20
Stew2	Do I tell them to log in as root? Is there a way to sudo open a folder through the gui?	07:21
Stew2	These are just workstations, not critical servers or anything.	07:21
HappyFool	can you maybe use nautilus for this?	07:21
thoreauputic	Stew2: DON'T tell them to log in as root!	07:21
Stew2	HappyFool That's what I meant.	07:21
Stew2	I don't remember the different names right away for the myriad of components that make up the desktop.	07:21
HappyFool	right-click on folder -> properties-permissions	07:22
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Stew2	Can nautilus open a folder in a "Run As..." fashion?	07:22
Stew2	HappyFool: You're right, but if the 'admin' account I'm logged in as doesn't have the priveledge of changing other account's folders, how do I affect that change?	07:23
HappyFool	err, dunno	07:23
Stew2	I followed the setup of Ubuntu, creating this admin account. Then I created a 'Bla' account to test it out.	07:23
HappyFool	ideally the owner should be doing that anyway (?)	07:23
Stew2	HappyFool If I was logged in interactively as root, this would be easy.	07:23
Stew2	I'm looking at making this so a computer admin, someone who isn't terribly linux savvy, can say, do this kind of stuff.	07:24
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HappyFool	what sort of things does he/she need to be able to do?	07:24
Stew2	Can I 'sudo nautilus'?	07:24
Fator_Dee	Stew2: yes	07:24
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thoreauputic	Stew2: yes, you can sudo nautilus	07:25
KingCiro	SirFred forgive me they don?t talk with me!	07:25
Stew2	Okay, I can handle explaining that, and the caveats.	07:25
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Stew2	HappyFool: Just general administrative file management stuff. I don't want them to have to drop to a terminal to act as root when changing permissions, etc. I'd like them to be able to do that through the file mangler, in this case, nautilus.	07:26
Stew2	HappyFool: It's not that they don't understand the gravity of what they are doing by changing permissions, they are human beings. They're just not programmers and not used to having to do anything from the command line.	07:26
Stew2	HappyFool: They are already enthusiastic about Ubuntu and linux/open source in general. I'm helping there enthusiasm.	07:27
Stew2	there=their	07:27
Fator_Dee	but it won't be that hard to teach them something about terminal use	07:27
thoreauputic	Stew2: a script in your menu that asks for a password to run nautilus in "admin" mode would be relatively simple	07:27
Fator_Dee	even a little	07:27
Stew2	Fator_Dee: Mabye, mabye not. These people -aren't- programmers. Neither am I, although I've compiled mplayer and done a little bit of stuff.	07:28
Stew2	Fator_Dee: With the ubuntu distro, I'm really stressing the 'human' side of it.	07:28
HappyFool	Stew2: look for some on-line tuts for "introduction to linux". try en.tldp.org. and, if the machines are networked, consider running sshd so you can shell in to do admin	07:28
abelli	19:29 < froud> /usr/bin/debootstrap: 1: echo: not found	07:30
abelli	19:29 < froud> Segmentation Fault	07:30
Stew2	HappyFool: I'll be in sweden. These machines are behind a router and I don't have port forwarding turned on. I'm showing how they can 'sudo nautilus'. If they screw it up, stick the install cd in from the distro and start over (and don't do whatever you did again, or ask first on google/linux or #ubuntu)	07:30
abelli	can anyone help?	07:30
thoreauputic	Stew2: there's a program "gksu" that pops up a dialog box to ask for a password, for instance, though I think that requires a root password	07:30
Fator_Dee	Stew2: at least tell them about man	07:30
thoreauputic	could be something similar for sudo	07:30
HappyFool	oh, there's a gksudo as well	07:30
_4strO	I'm listening -- Title: ( /mnt/musique1/MUSIQUE I/FUNK - SOUL/Craig David - Slicker Than Your Average/ - ) Time: ( 2:05/3:53 (53%) ) BitRate: ( 192 kbit/s - 44100 Hz ) Volume: ( 100% )	07:30
Stew2	thoreauputic: That might work then, thanks. Like I said, this isn't some all-important terminal server.	07:30
thoreauputic	aha!	07:30
HappyFool	look at the entry for "Root terminal"	07:30
thoreauputic	gksudo would be it	07:31
HappyFool	Stew2: gksudo should make it easy for the user to go to Nautilus as superuser -- no terminals needed	07:31
Stew2	So I run this app, gksudo, it asks me for the app I want to run?	07:31
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thoreauputic	Stew2: I think you would do "gksudo nautilus" as a script	07:32
HappyFool	no, not even	07:32
Fator_Dee	http://g-scripts.sourceforge.net/	07:32
thoreauputic	so you make a menu entry for that	07:32
Fator_Dee	there are ready nautilus scripts for that	07:33
HappyFool	Stew2: go Applications->System Tools->Root terminal (but don't left click!) -> Properties	07:33
Dko	Well I finnaly I finnaly figured out how to get the startup script to work. Had to delete the two lines that had link and ulink in them.	07:33
thoreauputic	right, OK, I don't use them but that's good :)	07:33
HappyFool	you can copy that menu entry for a superuser nautilus	07:33
HappyFool	or just to Applications->Run Application... and type 'gksudo nautilus'	07:34
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Stew2	http://g-scripts.sourceforge.net/nautilus-scripts/Execute/root-nautilus-here	07:36
Stew2	says to install in my ~/Nautilus/scripts directory. What if I want it available globally?	07:36
Dko	Quicky question. Whats a good program to edit c/c++ source? Gedit seams to space text strangly.	07:36
HappyFool	emacs is good ;)	07:36
caleb_	Dko: vim, emacs, bluefish	07:38
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caleb_	Dko: but know that there is no right answer or consensus	07:39
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thoreauputic	Dko: or try scite, nedit - both have syntax highlighting etc	07:40
Dko	Ahh. Well it seams emacs is already installed on my comp so ill check it out. Just gota find where it is.	07:40
jeff_	doesn't ubuntu have the 'whois' tool? :(	07:40
thoreauputic	Dko: heh - just type `whereis emacs`	07:41
HappyFool	well, although emacs is clearly superior ;), vim should also be on your machine	07:41
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HappyFool	/usr/bin/emacs and /usr/bin/vi on my ubuntu system	07:41
caleb_	jeff_: yes, the package is called, whois	07:41
Dko	Ok thanks	07:41
thoreauputic	http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt	07:42
jeff_	caleb_, i haven't got it	07:43
HappyFool	fuh. ed is for the antediluvian.	07:43
caleb_	jeff_: what version of ubuntu?	07:43
HappyFool	apt-cache search ^whois reveals a whois package	07:43
thoreauputic	HappyFool: of course, but that link is amusing on the subject	07:44
jeff_	caleb_, 4.1 or something. cds just came in the mail today	07:44
HappyFool	jeff: you probably need to install it	07:44
caleb_	jeff_: sudo apt-get install whois	07:44
HappyFool	try 'sudo apt-get install whois'	07:44
caleb_	winna winna	07:44
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d	hi!	07:45
jeff_	ok	07:45
d	new ubutu usr on the way!	07:45
d	just downloading the new hoary iso	07:45
jeff_	uh, i don't have a root password?	07:45
thoreauputic	d: your nick is a bit long - care to shorten it ;)	07:45
dataw0lf	jeff_: you can create a root account with passwd root	07:46
d	thor: why bother messin wi letrz :~~)	07:46
setite	how do i make links that open in a new page open in a new tab	07:46
thoreauputic	jeff_: you don't really need one	07:46
caleb_	jeff_: and take a look at Synaptic for installing software. in your menu to go Computer -> System Configuration -> Synaptic	07:46
jeff_	ok	07:46
thoreauputic	setite: have a look at about:config	07:47
caleb_	jeff_: and when you use the sudo command and it asks for your passwd, just enter your password	07:47
jeff_	i did, it said the db was locked	07:47
caleb_	because you're running apt-get and synaptic at the same time I bet	07:47
thoreauputic	jeff_: do you have another instance of apt running?	07:47
d	my quezzie is: will i be able to get the latest kde beta with apt from the ubutu resources, or does anyone know of a repos. that does have?	07:47
jeff_	i had synaptic open	07:47
thoreauputic	bingo	07:48
caleb_	jeff_: then hit the search button, and enter whois	07:48
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jeff_	another thing, ubuntu puts me at 60hz, i can't change it with the system resolution prefs tool.. how can i do it?	07:48
Riddell	d: there arn't any repositories which have it yet, we're working on 3.4 packages	07:48
Stew2	what if the GDM periodically locks up and I have to ssh into the box and restart it? Why does that happen?	07:48
d	can't wait x.org + debian, today! Yip!	07:48
setite	thoreauputic what setting	07:48
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Riddell	d: hoary has KDE 3.3.2	07:48
jeff_	x.org is in debian now?	07:49
thoreauputic	setite: hmm.. hang on I'll see if I can find a link for you	07:49
d	thats what is says on distrowatch!	07:49
_4strO	<jeff_> x.org is in debian now? it is	07:49
jeff_	testing or sarge?	07:50
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thoreauputic	setite: maybe here >>> http://www.mozillazine.org/misc/about:config/	07:50
randabis	jeff I think it's in sid	07:50
d	its in this new hoary iso, not in testing or sarge	07:50
jeff_	oh	07:50
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jeff_	that doesn't count	07:50
d	or not?	07:50
randabis	jeff I'm fairly certain x.org is in debian sid	07:51
randabis	one of the reasons I say this is because hoary is based of a snapshot of debian sid	07:51
jeff_	oh	07:51
jeff_	hoary has kde then?	07:51
Riddell	x.org is not in Debian	07:51
nevyn	umm no it's not.	07:52
Riddell	jeff_: hoary has KDE 3.3.2 in universe	07:52
jeff_	oh	07:52
randabis	not even in sid?	07:52
Riddell	randabis: no	07:52
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randabis	ah	07:52
thoreauputic	xorg won't be in debian until after Sarge is released, IIRC	07:52
nevyn	randabis: x.org is not in debian. which is unfortunate.	07:52
randabis	okay I've got that now thanks	07:53
nevyn	not that xorg is good. but it is better than xfree	07:53
randabis	warty has kde 3.2 jeff	07:53
superkitty	i am getting an error from apt-get update	07:53
jeff_	does it still have gnome?	07:53
randabis	yes	07:53
superkitty	W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>	07:53
superkitty	W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems	07:53
randabis	gnome will always be ubuntu's default desktop environment	07:54
jeff_	i wish i could change my refresh rate :/	07:54
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thoreauputic	jeff_: if you're comfortable with command line, you could try `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 `	07:56
thoreauputic	jeff_: should give you options for refresh rates	07:57
d	nevyn: you don't like x? whats your fave windowing system then?	07:57
setite	thoreauputic i know how to edit it... i just dont know what setting to edit	07:57
setite	and i sorta found the culprit to my shitty dvd problem	07:57
thoreauputic	setite: yeah - I changed it a while back - let me see if I can find it	07:58
setite	i realized that when you use the monitor to make the picture fill the screen its zooming in...	07:58
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jeff_	thoreauputic, ok, how do i reboot X?	07:58
setite	i need to find a true resolution that will fill the monitor screen	07:58
setite	jeff CTRL + ALT + BACKSPACE	07:58
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thoreauputic	jeff_: umm - just run the command then do ctrl-alt-backspace	07:59
setite	hehe i beat you	07:59
setite	see.. he left already	07:59
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setite	i love that thing... its so fast	07:59
thoreauputic	setite: heh - I'm a slow typist ;)	07:59
setite	no problem	07:59
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setite	i typed extra fast because i wanted to beat you	07:59
setite	hey question... how do i do a probe of my monitor to see what resolutions its capable of	07:59
thoreauputic	setite: congratulations :)	08:00
setite	i have to manually set my resolutions because of a bug with my integrated card	08:00
setite	does anyone know the way to edit video settings in the terminal	08:02
thoreauputic	browser.tab.opentabfor.windowopen could be what you want, setite	08:02
setite	i forgot what it was	08:02
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setite	awesome.. i bet it is	08:03
thoreauputic	setite: trial and error works for me with those settings - then I forget what I changed! haha	08:03
thoreauputic	I should write it down I guess	08:04
wasabi_	Aww my new firefox crashes on most sites. =(	08:04
setite	damn thats not it	08:04
setite	whats browser turbo	08:06
setite	should i enable it	08:06
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setite	hmmm seems interesting	08:06
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srid	no SqlObject in Ubuntu?? It is in debian http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python-sqlobject	08:08
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djuuss	hey, how do i rename (in gnome) multiple files at once?	08:10
jeff_	crap.. ubuntu won't play mp3 either?	08:10
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djuuss	(so they have filename<number> for instance)	08:11
srid	djuuss, write a script	08:11
srid	you can either learn 'bash' or 'python'	08:11
srid	python will help you write lot of programs	08:11
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HappyFool	jeff_: i think ubuntuguide.org has info on installing codecs, and there's also a page on the ubuntu wiki somewhere (RestrictedFormats, it might be)	08:12
srid	jeff_, apt-get install xmms	08:12
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setite	srid nah	08:12
jeff_	ok	08:12
setite	he still needs an mp3 codec though	08:13
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setite	last i checked xmms didnt have it by default	08:13
SirFred	djuuss: What are you trying to do?	08:13
setite	jeff what OS	08:13
setite	ubuntu?	08:13
jeff_	yes	08:13
setite	ubuntu has xmms	08:13
djuuss	just get a load of files (movies) with pretty much diffrent names and name them into movieXX.mpg where XX is a number	08:13
duckdown	How do I make the nvidia module load at boot? gdm keeps failing on system entry because it cant load the nvidia module, so i always have to go to root and manually modprobe nvidia;startx	08:14
randabis	xmms is kinda deprecated though	08:14
setite	someone refresh my memory... gstreamer0.8 plays mp3 right	08:14
randabis	yes	08:14
djuuss	but i did it the hard way	08:14
djuuss	manually	08:14
HappyFool	gstreamer0.8-mad ?	08:14
srid	duckdown, /etc/modules	08:14
randabis	yes	08:14
nevyn	restrictedformats?	08:14
duckdown	thanks	08:14
SirFred	djuuss: You need a script or something so.	08:14
djuuss	python sounds like a good thing to learn still yeah	08:14
setite	yea that mad one	08:14
nevyn	this channel needs a bot.	08:14
setite	nevyn a bot for what	08:15
SirFred	djuuss: You don't need python for that, it can be made on a shell script.	08:15
setite	why dont you creat one	08:15
djuuss	python is a good thing to learn still though :P	08:15
srid	djuuss, if you are newbie programmer, see http://www.byteofpython.info/	08:15
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srid	shell script is only for _small_ work	08:15
djuuss	newbie programmer? dude, i don't even know how to grep	08:16
djuuss	:P	08:16
srid	djuuss, so this book is for you :)	08:16
SirFred	srid: What he's asking for is a _small_ work.	08:16
djuuss	thx	08:16
thoreauputic	srid: hmm... the whole knoppix installer was written in bash	08:16
setite	programmer... damn i dont even know my way around apt yet	08:16
srid	SirFred, yes .. I am meta-helping him :)	08:16
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srid	so is slackware	08:16
thoreauputic	by Fabian I believe	08:16
SirFred	srid: :)	08:16
setite	Fabio	08:16
thoreauputic	Fabian Franz	08:17
setite	is there a good book to learn all the commands i need to know	08:17
setite	Fabbione	08:17
djuuss	hehe good point	08:17
blair	I need some help with an ATI Graphics Card	08:17
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srid	setite, ls /bin /usr/bin and man	08:17
setite	yea you do	08:17
srid	hehe	08:17
djuuss	a book on apt?	08:17
fabbione	setite ?	08:17
djuuss	man apt	08:17
setite	you need help selling it	08:17
srid	apt-howto	08:17
srid	apt-reference	08:17
thoreauputic	setite: hang on and I'll give you some links	08:17
djuuss	apt-cache search rox :)	08:17
setite	he said fabian so i said fabbione	08:17
setite	hey is that your repo i keep seeing on google	08:18
fabbione	setite: for ipv6?	08:18
setite	i dunno i just saw a repo or some site with your name on it	08:18
fabbione	could easily be	08:18
setite	srid no i want a book	08:18
setite	everyone says man pages but i like books	08:18
thoreauputic	setite: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/cli.html	08:18
setite	i dont want to print it... but i want something i can carry with me	08:18
srid	setite, , see apt-howto	08:19
fabbione	last time i checked fabbione on goggle there were only one that is not me after 5/6 pages	08:19
SirFred	djuuss: A shell example just in a line:	08:19
thoreauputic	setite: O'Reilly have good linux books	08:19
setite	ok but that doesnt solve my want/need for a book... a tangible piece of paper, glue and ink	08:19
srid	setite, http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/	08:19
setite	does he have a debian specific	08:19
SirFred	suf=0; for fich in *.mpg; do echo "mv $fich movie$(printf \%02d $suf).mpg"; suf=$(( $suf + 1 )); done	08:20
setite	is there any need for a debian specific book?	08:20
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setite	srid not just apt... everything	08:20
SirFred	djuuss: Well, that only echoes the mv command to execute. Just for security	08:20
setite	i especially want it for when i fubar my linux	08:20
thoreauputic	setite: for a good guide to cli --> O'Reilly: "Linux-Pocket Guide" (author: Daniel J. Barrett )	08:20
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setite	ok so o'reilly... any other suggestions	08:21
setite	what it cli	08:21
setite	command line interface?	08:21
thoreauputic	command line interface	08:21
thoreauputic	:)	08:21
setite	awesome i figured that out... cool...	08:21
thoreauputic	setite: you did indeed !	08:21
setite	are there debian specific things i need to know...	08:21
setite	dont say man pages please	08:22
thoreauputic	setite: oh yes	08:22
setite	i saw a debian/gnu book	08:22
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setite	whats with the gnu part	08:22
thoreauputic	setite: the apt howto is very good	08:22
thoreauputic	GNU's not Unix	08:22
thoreauputic	recursive acronym	08:22
djuuss	SirFred .. i'll look in to it later, copiepasted it for now in my "todo-list-appendix-B.txt"	08:22
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djuuss	have (field)hockey practice now	08:23
djuuss	cya	08:23
djuuss	all	08:23
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jazzka	hdparm -i /dev/sda9	08:23
jazzka	/dev/sda9:	08:23
jazzka	operation not supported on SCSI disks	08:23
jazzka	does exist any hdparm for scsi disks?	08:23
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setite	yea i remember reading that GNU was its own thing... but debian is linux as far as i know so why would there be a Debian/GNU book	08:24
thoreauputic	setite: linux is the kernel - GNU/Linux is the whole operating system	08:25
setite	"Once you're up and running, Linux Pocket Guide provides an easy-to-use reference that you can keep by your keyboard for those times when you want a fast, useful answer, not hours in the man pages."	08:25
setite	ooh thanks for that suggestion	08:25
HappyFool	jazzka: see man hdparm. the -i option is for IDE drives	08:25
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thoreauputic	setite: only problem is it's Fedora oriented - but it has all the important commands	08:25
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setite	ewww fedora!!	08:26
setite	bad experiences	08:26
larsrohdin	hey, how can i make nautilus start my home-directory on startup?	08:26
jazzka	well, actually, it's an ide drives, connected with usb to the computer	08:26
thoreauputic	setite: don't fret - the book is good	08:26
larsrohdin	yeah fedora's no fun...	08:26
thoreauputic	larsrohdin: save your session on exit	08:26
larsrohdin	no wrong!!! how can i make nautilus stop starting y home=)	08:27
HappyFool	jazzka: the man page talks about AT interface. I guess you're out of luck using usb	08:27
thoreauputic	larsrohdin: ah - not what you asked	08:27
larsrohdin	--no-default-window just wont work	08:27
jazzka	so, any tool to test and configure my ide drive (throw usb) ???	08:27
larsrohdin	no, i wrote wrong=) my bad	08:27
setite	would the Debian GNU/Linux 3.X Bible be good also	08:28
thoreauputic	setite: I expect so - haven't read it	08:28
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setite	ok... yea i dont even think its out yet	08:28
setite	its february 05	08:28
setite	but i was saying are the books from this company usually good	08:29
HappyFool	jazzka: what does hdparm /dev/sda9 do ?	08:29
typo	I've just finished installing ubuntu. Seams to work fine. OO.org won't input accented characters if LANG=C though	08:29
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jazzka	hdparm -v /dev/sda9	08:29
jazzka	/dev/sda9:	08:29
jazzka	readonly = 0 (off)	08:29
jazzka	geometry = 19929/255/63, sectors = 105209622, start = 214949763	08:29
typo	but that's in debian as well	08:29
setite	http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764576445/qid=1106335655/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-9640012-5729737?v=glance&s=books	08:29
larsrohdin	thoreauputic, any ideas?	08:29
thoreauputic	setite: you really should read the apt howto - it's very good. And O'Reilly books are mostly good, yes	08:29
HappyFool	jazzka: that enough?	08:29
setite	yea i will... but i truly want a book	08:29
jazzka	HappyFool, yeah	08:29
setite	i dont want to destroy my eyes any more than i need to	08:30
thoreauputic	larsrohdin: maybe edit the properties in the menu to open nautilus at the dir you want?	08:30
typo	the idea of moving everything out of the Desktop seams cool	08:31
typo	will that be included in stock gnome 2.10?	08:31
setite	is this a true statement?	08:32
setite	"Debian GNU/Linux is free, supported by HP, and is often cited as the most stable and reliable Linux distribution-which makes it a great alternative for users put off by Red Hat's pricey Enterprise Linux and unsupported Fedora"	08:32
setite	the HP part	08:32
thoreauputic	larsrohdin: or create a launcher to do it	08:32
thoreauputic	Hewlett Packard? dunno	08:32
_d4vid	ky all	08:33
HappyFool	well, a google for HP debian support reveals some articles	08:33
setite	you know what is great and sad at the same time	08:33
setite	how easy it is to get all these linux books in ebook format	08:33
blair	Can anyone help me get a Radeon card to render OpenGl instead of MESA	08:33
larsrohdin	i have nautilus in my .xsession file... and it should work but it doesnt...	08:34
setite	i dont know how they get them in PDF format and such with all the pictures and text that can be fiddled with	08:34
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naibed	Hi	08:35
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thoreauputic	setite: saving as PDF is really easy in Linux	08:35
setite	but i dont know how to take a book and convert it	08:35
setite	without scanning the individual pictures and typing each word	08:35
scizzo	setite: many times the book has a electric format also....	08:35
setite	ok then where do you get it	08:36
scizzo	setite: do you really want to actually ask those questions in here?	08:36
setite	no i know the not so legal way... im saying legally	08:36
setite	i rarely see legitimate ebooks created by the publishers and companies that are allowed to	08:37
scizzo	there is a legal way yes...	08:37
naibed	I've a problem with mi Nvidia TNT2 and nvidia's GLX driver since an Xorg update I think...The kernel module loads and Xorg starts but the nvidia logo is kept on screen and glx support is disabled :S Xorg version is X Window System Version 6.8.1.99 (Ubuntu 6.8.1-1ubuntu11 20050119010805 root@) and kernel 2.6.9,2.6.10..	08:37
thoreauputic	setite: many Linux/OSS books are available on line as html or pdf for download	08:37
setite	awesome... where	08:37
scizzo	setite: http://cdbookshelves.oreilly.com/	08:37
scizzo	setite: that is a legal way	08:37
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thoreauputic	setite: umm...try googling ;0	08:38
setite	ok what about non o'reilly	08:38
scizzo	setite: stop asking about this...please	08:38
setite	like the moving to linux book./... do you think the ebook for it is legit	08:38
setite	wah	08:38
setite	ok	08:38
scizzo	setite: go to the publishers page and look instead	08:38
randabis	yeah that's a bit off-topic	08:38
thoreauputic	setite: yes, Marcel Gagne is legitimate	08:38
thoreauputic	setite: I belong to his virtual LUG :)	08:38
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[Euphori]	hi all	08:39
[Euphori]	can help me anyone	08:40
[Euphori]	im can?t connect in ubuntu whitch my external 56 K modem	08:40
[Euphori]	im install gnome-ppp fine	08:41
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[Euphori]	config all fine but when im try to connect im have the error	08:41
thoreauputic	[Euphori] : try running ` sudo pppconfig ` in a terminal :)	08:42
[Euphori]	PPP: Not enabled	08:42
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[Euphori]	thoreauputic: im try it but error	08:42
[Euphori]	im put my user y dip group	08:43
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Stew2	When I create a user in Ubuntu, they are made a member of a group name that is the same as their user name. Shouldn't they all be members of group User?	08:43
Stew2	i e the same group?	08:43
thoreauputic	gotta go - have fun all of you ! :)	08:44
thoreauputic	Stew2: no, that's the Debian way	08:44
Stew2	So I have as many groups as I do users when I'm done?	08:44
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thoreauputic	Stew2: the user will also be in group users	08:44
thoreauputic	and a bunch of others	08:45
Stew2	no one is in the group 'users' by default.	08:45
Stew2	weird.	08:45
Stew2	is that the way it's supposed to be?	08:45
HappyFool	well, none of my users are in user either	08:46
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HappyFool	my "main" user, i.e., one who can do sudo, is in lots of groups though	08:46
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BockBilbo	hey	08:47
setite	why doesnt /server -m work on x-chat	08:47
BockBilbo	is it possible to open rar 3.0 files in ubuntu?	08:47
dataw0lf	apt-get install rar	08:49
borgista	yup	08:49
Stew2	HappyFool How do I make sure additional users are able to SUDO?	08:49
frisoirc	Hi all, I have a firewire problem with Ubuntu PPC. 1st message during boot: cannot allocate resource region 0 of devie 0000:01.04.0 Pretty scary, isn it	08:49
naibed	BockBilbo, try with rar or unrar	08:49
[Euphori]	im comeback later	08:50
maximaus	BockBilbo, I've had problems opening some rar files created with windows unfortunately. :/	08:50
Stew2	Don't they have to be in a sudoers list?	08:50
frisoirc	then modprobe: fatal: error inserting aic79xx (<awfull long pathname>): no such device	08:50
maximaus	that's pretty much the only time I boot into my hibernated windows partition.	08:50
HappyFool	stew2: yeah, see man sudo. you need to add them to /etc/sudoers	08:50
BockBilbo	maximaus, i also hae that problem	08:51
BockBilbo	:S	08:51
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BockBilbo	naibed, i also have that prob	08:51
misionero	hey everyone	08:51
maximaus	BockBilbo, Perhaps it's a winrar issue?	08:51
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frisoirc	no firewire experts present?	08:52
misionero	how can i connect to irc on the console	08:52
misionero	?	08:52
HappyFool	irssi, at a guess	08:52
naibed	misionero, with an text-based IRC client, like irssi, BitchX, ...http://fershmeat.net	08:52
naibed	freshmeat.net sorry	08:52
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duckdown	has anyone here ever compiled FiSH for either xchat or irssi?	08:53
drac	why use gui on 100% text based system .. like irc	08:53
duckdown	cause neither of these goddamn things are working	08:53
Stew2	Hey, since root and admin are in the Sudoers file, can I just add the user to group ADMIN? Or do I have to explicitly add the user?	08:53
misionero	http://freshmeat.net ?	08:53
BockBilbo	maximaus, i have no clue	08:54
BockBilbo	:S	08:54
spiral	hmmm.... please !!!! Tell me about smart batteries & hoary support	08:54
frisoirc	Hi all, I have a firewire problem with Ubuntu PPC. 1st message during boot: cannot allocate resource region 0 of device 0000:01.04.0 Pretty scary, isn it	08:54
HappyFool	Stew2: i think those are user names (?)	08:54
maximaus	BockBilbo, if that's my only grip with Ubuntu, I'm satisfied. (why can't folks just use zip or tar.gz?)	08:55
maximaus	gripe	08:55
frisoirc	any firewire support possible	08:56
frisoirc	?	08:56
HappyFool	Stew2: try man sudoers -- oh, it's in EBNF. goodness.	08:56
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setite	can x-chat autoaccept dcc	08:57
misionero	how can i create my own theme and then publishe it on the net	08:57
misionero	??	08:57
frisoirc	quit	08:58
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naibed	setite, yes, right click on text box->IRC-auto accept..	08:58
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HappyFool	Stew2: this probably isn't good advice, but I would just add lines similar to those in there, substituing the appropriate user names	08:59
setite	awesome thanks	08:59
HappyFool	i see you're supposed to use visudo to edit it too	08:59
Scooter	Anyone know how to have Java set up in your path? I just downloaded the JAVA common, and from Commandline I type java and get file not found... TIA :D	09:00
Scooter	I neeed to execute a *.JAR file	09:00
Scooter	I got JAVA from Synaptic BTW	09:01
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Stew2	It says I HAVE to edit it with visudo. I have no idea how to use VI	09:02
Stew2	So do I really HAVE to use visudo?	09:02
naibed	SteveA, then read a manual	09:02
Scooter	<Stew2> try sudo gedit if you need to be root...	09:03
HcE	Stew2: do the vitutor	09:03
HcE	vimtutor I mean	09:03
HappyFool	Stew2: try EDITOR=myfavouriteeditor visudo /etc/sudoers	09:03
HappyFool	i assume it just does some sort of locking on the file	09:04
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HappyFool	or rather EDITOR=myfavouriteeditor sudo visudo	09:05
Stew2	thanks. I just used gedit	09:05
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l3m	i'm trying to "su" from the ubuntu live cd ( in order to parted my hd ), what's the default root passwd?	09:06
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Stew2	l3m there isn't one. 'sudo passwd root'	09:06
HappyFool	or maybe even 'sudo parted' or whatever	09:06
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l3m	thanks, sudo parted worked!!!	09:08
zido	uhm, the different desktops dissapeared from my "system line"(?) or whatever the line at the bottom's called..	09:09
zido	anybody got any idea how i get it back?	09:09
Scooter	Ooooo! Sorry, I had the wrong packages, i needed sun-J2, I did not see that in the manual, Thanks anyways :p	09:09
zido	i can't see the different programs on that desktop there either	09:09
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Agrajag	right-click the panel, choose add to panel... and choose the "desktop chooser" or whatever that applet's called	09:09
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HappyFool	"workspace switcher" might be it	09:10
poppo	Greetings, my X wouldnt work .. so i did lspci to check if my vga card (mercury) is listed ... couldnt find it. tried configurin X using confxf86 - wouldnt work .. xf86 log says "	09:11
poppo	" nop devices found" can someone help me pls	09:11
zido	ah, thx	09:11
zido	but i still can't see the different programs on that desktop	09:11
zenwhen	poppo, what video card	09:11
poppo	zenwhen : mercury	09:11
zenwhen	huh	09:12
blair	I am having trouble getting my Video card to hardware render, everything is running through mesa	09:12
HappyFool	i would guess that lspci not finding your video card is Pretty Bad (tm)	09:12
poppo	i tried vesa , intel just to see if anythin works out but it isnt helpin	09:13
poppo	HappyFool : yeh : \	09:13
HappyFool	you don't get anything saying "VGA" in it ?	09:13
blair	Does anyone know how to make the ATI drivers render instead of the MESA indirect drivers	09:13
poppo	HappyFool : i get Vga controller but it says intel ...	09:13
poppo	and iam pretty sure of having mercury vga . before this i couldnt even get to the pompt - so i changed vga to mono in bios -now i do get prompt - but no X ..	09:15
blair	anyone?	09:15
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crypticreign	how do i mount a cdrom in ubuntu? i dont see /dev/cdrom	09:18
HappyFool	it should appear at /media/cdrom	09:19
crypticreign	ah	09:19
naibed	crypticreign, dmesg\|grep -i cdrom or grep hd	09:19
HappyFool	though if you don't have /dev/cdrom, i'm not sure	09:19
crypticreign	hmm	09:19
crypticreign	ok	09:19
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HappyFool	poppo: sorry, i'm not finding much via google.	09:20
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ssam	in hoary in the network settings control panel should there be an add button?	09:25
seb128	no	09:26
ssam	are new devices added automagically?	09:26
seb128	the dialog should list all the devices	09:27
seb128	it detects the devices on the system	09:27
Scooter	I dont mind telling people to RTFM in Ubuntu, TFM is Beautiful Babby! I cant believe how much I learn about linux from this WIKI and the forums :)	09:27
Scooter	Oops wrong window sorry	09:27
ssam	so if i take out a pcmcia wireless card and put in a new one, eth1 will now be the new one	09:28
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ogra	Scooter: but a nice insight ;)	09:29
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phw	hello folks, i wanted to install network-manager-gnome, but it tells me that that package relys on a package named network-manager... see http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/	09:30
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upayavira_	Just read document "Installing Ubuntu from a Unix/Linux System" - it says "creating at least one filesystem plus swap". Does anyone know if I can just use the filesystem that I've already got? I'd converting from Debian Sarge.	09:30
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raitis	anybody online?	09:31
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HappyFool	no a soul	09:31
raitis	need some help with windows ntfs partition , i can view it in root terminal but cant get it on desktop as icon	09:32
raitis	and if i try to access the folder it says that i dot have the permissions	09:32
BockBilbo	is it possible to play wma files in ubuntu?	09:33
NanoTek	yep	09:33
HappyFool	are you mounting it from the command line, or via /etc/fstab ?	09:33
HappyFool	i have a line like this in my /etc/fstab: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows auto ro,user,noauto,umask=000 0 0	09:33
HappyFool	the umask=000 lets normal users access the ntfs	09:33
BockBilbo	NanoTek, with which package?	09:34
HappyFool	it's still read-only though	09:34
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raitis	well i did this on these forums http://www.syntheticsw.com/%7Euu/viewtopic.php?t=232	09:34
NanoTek	BockBilbo, The only solution I found to play every songs and videos is to compile mplayer with every codecs which are available	09:35
BockBilbo	... but i cannot install mplayer	09:35
BockBilbo	when i tried to install it it gives me dependency problems	09:35
raitis	i mounted it on /mnt/win	09:35
BockBilbo	:S	09:35
raitis	then i edited the fstab.bak	09:36
HappyFool	raitis: what command did you use?	09:36
raitis	mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/windows/c	09:36
HappyFool	err, no, you should edit /etc/fstab before mounting	09:36
raitis	mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/win	09:36
HappyFool	and not fstab.bak, but /etc/fstab	09:36
raitis	yeah	09:36
raitis	did that	09:36
raitis	i can view the folder through root terminal with the command " cd /mnt/win " then " ls -al "	09:37
raitis	but i cant get a desktop icon	09:37
HappyFool	raitis: first do this: 'sudo umount /dev/hda1'	09:37
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raitis	ok	09:38
NanoTek	BockBilbo, did you never try to compile it ?	09:38
HappyFool	and then: 'sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win -o ro,user,umask=000'	09:38
BockBilbo	nope...	09:38
BockBilbo	:S	09:38
BockBilbo	:S	09:38
raitis	root@ubuntu:/mnt/win # sudo unmount /dev/hda1	09:38
raitis	sudo: unmount: command not found	09:38
BockBilbo	im a bit afraid of compiling stuff	09:38
BockBilbo	:S	09:38
raitis	sry	09:38
HappyFool	raitis: "umount"	09:38
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raitis	hey it worked	09:39
raitis	thanks alot	09:39
HappyFool	no problem ;)	09:40
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raitis	how can i do a shortcut to the desktop?	09:40
raitis	ok thanks alot i have to go now bye, thanks thanks alot	09:41
HappyFool	bye	09:41
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poppo	: )	09:42
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zooko	Greetings, people of Ubuntu	09:44
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poppo	hello zooko	09:44
zooko	I want a mail transport agent. I tried to install exim and exim4 (on warty) and in both cases apt-listbugs warned me that there were outstanding security bugs in them.	09:44
zooko	Is there another nice simple MTA I can install for my 1-user satellite mail system?	09:44
HappyFool	postfix ?	09:45
HappyFool	though neither dpkg-reconfigure nor the wiki have especially good setups, in my completely inexpert opinion ;)	09:45
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zooko	Thanks for the suggestion. I'll try it!	09:46
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darkling	zooko: There's ssmtp and esmtp.	09:48
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darkling	They're not full mail servers, but will forward mail by SMTP to a mail server.	09:49
darkling	They're both pretty unsophisticated, but work well if they're all you need.	09:49
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Rene_S	still no menu editing eh ?	09:50
Rene_S	in hoary	09:50
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zooko	Maybe ssmtp would be easier for me to configure than postfix...	09:52
zooko	I just want to send mail via SMTP, possibly using a "smarthost",	09:52
zooko	and to receive mail by fetchmail -> MTA -> nmh	09:53
HappyFool	well, postfix is at least easier than sendmail shudder	09:53
zooko	ssmtp asks "Name of your mailhub?", but is this for incoming or outgoing mail? :-(	09:54
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HappyFool	won't fetchmail be handling your incoming ?	09:55
zooko	yes	09:55
zooko	Oh.	09:55
zooko	But, um, doesn't fetchmail need to contact an SMTP server on port 25 and give it the mail?	09:56
darkling	Not necessarily.	09:56
gro	zookoo:try getmail: you don't need a mta with getmail	09:56
zooko	So ssmtp needs to know that "incoming" mail that appears on port 25 needs to be delivered to local users.	09:56
darkling	It can deliver direct to a mailbox, IIRC.	09:56
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HappyFool	i would guess the alternative is evolution/ thunderbird / etc which, i presume, do all this nonsense for you	09:57
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zooko	I must have my mail in nmh! :-)	09:57
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zooko	Oh boy. I've screwed up my perl-base package. 8-(	10:05
zooko	Can't locate File/Basename.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/sbin/install-docs line 24.	10:05
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zooko	which .deb has Basename.pm ?	10:06
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jordi	bingo, zooko.	10:06
appleseed	i have to re-add my eth0 connection everytime i reboot, how do i get network-admin to add the right entry to my system?	10:07
__daniel	zooko: apt-file can help you there	10:07
zooko	apt-file was also broken...	10:08
zooko	thanks #ubuntu!!	10:08
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kbrooks	hmmm. i have a package conflict	10:09
kbrooks	dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtksourceview-cil_0.5-2ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):	10:09
kbrooks	trying to overwrite `/usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs/nemerle.lang', which is also in package libgtksourceview-common	10:09
LinuxJones	appleseed, select your nic card then go properties , click start @ boot time	10:10
kbrooks	what do i do?	10:10
kbrooks	hmmm. i have a idea,	10:10
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appleseed	LinuxJones, i dont have that option in the utility	10:10
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appleseed	LinuxJones, i'm using hoary though	10:11
kbrooks	root@kyle:/home/kyle # dpkg --get-selections \| grep gtksourceview	10:11
kbrooks	libgtksourceview-common install	10:11
kbrooks	libgtksourceview1.0-0 install	10:11
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kbrooks	could i possibly set the selections and replace install with something?	10:11
LinuxJones	appleseed, go System Configuration >> Networking	10:11
zido_	what programs i'm running on the current desktop isn't showing on the lower panel, any ideas on how to get them back? :)	10:12
appleseed	yeah	10:12
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frisoir1	Hi all, I have a firewire problem with Ubuntu PPC. 1st message during boot: cannot allocate resource region 0 of devie 0000:01.04.0 Pretty scary, isn it	10:13
appleseed	i've added the device, and connected it(using it now), but it isn't added to the /etc/network/interfaces file, so doesn't come up at boot	10:14
LinuxJones	are you using dhcp ?	10:14
appleseed	LinuxJones, yeah	10:14
appleseed	LinuxJones, i've got a feeling its a fault with the network-admin tool, not adding the connection to the file	10:15
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LinuxJones	appleseed, these are the entries from my eht0 card >> (first line) auto eth0 (2nd line) iface eth0 inet dhcp	10:16
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xmas	appleseed, I've had problems with that tool saving settings too. It never remembers to start samba.	10:16
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duckdown	Anyone know why when I'm trying to mount /dev/sda1 (my windows partition, on a TOTALLY different drive than my linux os) wont let me mount it? It says its already mounted, or any of the destination points I try are busy.. but I typed 'df' and its not mounted at all!	10:16
appleseed	LinuxJones, i'll try putting that in, thanks.	10:17
LinuxJones	GL ;)	10:17
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appleseed	:)	10:17
reki	why does the default install of ubuntu install firefox 0.9.3?	10:17
LinuxJones	reki, it's not stable enough I suspect	10:17
randabis	because 1.0 wasn't out yet I believe	10:18
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snowblink	reki: if you apt-get upgrade you should get FF1.0	10:20
reki	ah thx	10:20
Nafallo	am I the only one whose synaptics have stopped working in hoary?	10:20
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kbrooks	Nafallo, describe your situation.	10:21
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Nafallo	kbrooks: I can't scroll anymore. that only happens when synaptics is out-of-order :-/.	10:22
esac	does anybody know if there exists something like fluxboxes tabs, for gnome ?	10:23
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carsonc	Is there a program for Linux (preferably packaged for Ubuntu) that will let me rotate my desktop backgrounds automatically, the way I can do in OS X? I've apt-cache search'd and googled, but I can't find anything relevant. Am I just missing it, or does such a program not exist?	10:26
Nermal	theres probably a script somewhere to do it	10:27
Nermal	but no apps that I've seen	10:27
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FLeiXiuS	carsonc, I've seen these before, search freshmeat and sourceforge	10:27
FLeiXiuS	carsonc, I had it a while back with my redhat 8 machine.	10:27
zeedo	carsonc: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=random+background&section=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0	10:28
naibed	carsonc, KDE can do taht :)	10:28
naibed	that	10:28
Nermal	you mean rotate as in change the orientation ?	10:28
Nermal	or change the background	10:28
carsonc	change	10:28
Nermal	oh	10:28
Nermal	yeah.. there are apps to do that	10:28
carsonc	naibed: Yeah, it can, but I can't stand KDE :)	10:28
pusling	is the w32codecs in universe or anywhere else? Or do I need a unafficial mirror?	10:29
carsonc	zeedo: Thanks!	10:29
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zeedo	carsonc: look at gbrand on that page	10:29
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zeedo	thats one specifically for gnome	10:29
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haunter	hi, i tried ubuntu but i return on slackware, but i like the human theme, i'm searching this theme but i don't find, do you know where i can find it ?	10:30
Nafallo	pusling: ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/	10:30
smogger914	can someone help me install mplayer	10:30
carsonc	Hmm. This one looks like it changes the background every time you log in.	10:31
pusling	Nafallo: 2 weeks ago I couldn't install from the marillat archive.	10:31
smogger914	can someone help me istall mplayer	10:31
Nafallo	pusling: where you using 'stable'?	10:31
naibed	smogger914, can you repeat please?can you repeat please?	10:31
Nafallo	pusling: seems w32codecs have moved out of the others.	10:31
carsonc	I'm looking for one that will allow me to change it every, say, half hour or hour or every day, while remaining logged in.	10:31
pusling	Nafallo: nope - testing I think	10:32
smogger914	can someone help me install mplayer i have the deb file and odnt know what to do with it	10:32
carsonc	smogger914: Assuming you have all the dependencies installed, run "sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb"	10:32
carsonc	you can find out what the dependencies are with "dpkg -I whatever.deb"	10:32
smogger914	dpkg: error processing maplyer.deb (--install):	10:33
smogger914	cannot access archive: No such file or directory	10:33
smogger914	Errors were encountered while processing:	10:33
smogger914	maplyer.deb	10:33
carsonc	aha, I think I may have found what I'm looking for	10:33
smogger914	i spelled it wrong	10:33
smogger914	max@ubuntu:~ $ sudo dpkg -i mplayer.deb	10:34
smogger914	(Reading database ... 70415 files and directories currently installed.)	10:34
smogger914	Preparing to replace mplayer 1.0pre6-1.20041114 (using mplayer.deb) ...	10:34
smogger914	Unpacking replacement mplayer ...	10:34
smogger914	Setting up mplayer (1.0pre6-1.20041114) ...	10:34
smogger914	does that mean its done	10:34
carsonc	http://gchbkgrd.sf.net	10:34
carsonc	smogger914: yes, it does	10:34
smogger914	how do i run it	10:34
Necrosan	smogger914: type mplayer	10:34
smogger914	max@ubuntu:~ $ mplayer	10:35
smogger914	mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libmp3lame.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory	10:35
Necrosan	it has dependencies :)	10:35
smogger914	that means	10:35
carsonc	And of course, the app I find has ceased active development	10:35
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Necrosan	smogger914: type this	10:35
Necrosan	sudo dpkg -I mplayer.deb	10:35
smogger914	then what	10:36
Necrosan	whats it say	10:36
Necrosan	>	10:36
smogger914	were do u get the libraries	10:37
Necrosan	apt-get	10:37
Necrosan	Read up on how to use dpkg.	10:37
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aperson	hello all	10:39
smogger914	hwo do u use apt update	10:39
=== [Spooky] are going to test the live cd soon :)
rcaskey	apt-get update	10:40
kbrooks	aolbonics :\|	10:40
borgista	aolbonics?	10:40
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spiral	hmmmm... please... can anybody tell me whether smart batteries will soon be handled under hoary ?	10:41
smogger914	libmp3lame.so.0: how do i get that	10:41
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skeyeword	anyone have madwifi working w/ warty	10:42
Nafallo	hmm, -dbg have some bad side-effects? like synaptics driver stops working?	10:42
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skeyeword	madwifi, anyone?	10:43
smogger914	how do u get apt to update the libraries for a file	10:44
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bretzel	Hi threre ---	10:45
rellik_	yo	10:45
rellik_	for ubuntu can add debian sources to apt? I can't find a ubuntu download for VLC	10:46
bretzel	I am playing with re-installation of Ubuntu ( after hardware upgrade ) - Every dev tools are there but I just can't lauch g++ or gcc - not in my path! That means a config step have failes somewhere...	10:46
haggai	rellik_: I think you'll find them in universe	10:47
smogger914	how do i get this library	10:47
smogger914	libmp3lame.so.0:	10:47
rellik_	what's universe?	10:47
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skeyeword	does anyone know how to get sharutils package installed	10:48
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smogger914	libmp3lame.so.0: how do i get that it be for mplayer	10:48
haggai	rellik_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/view?searchterm=universe	10:48
rellik_	hmm... the mirror that I use for apt (local to network) has vlc under universe... but 'apt-get search vlc' returns nothing... how do I tell apt-cache to use universe/multiverse/... ?	10:49
Nafallo	hmm, why is it that installing xserver-xorg-dbg breaks synaptics? :-P	10:49
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smogger914	how do u get thelibraires needed for a specific package	10:50
rellik_	can anyone say what "universe" and "multiverse" are?	10:50
rellik_	...and restricted	10:50
smogger914	how do u get the libraires needed for a specific package	10:51
Nafallo	rellik_: repositorys :-)	10:51
kent	smogger914, if you install with apt or synaptic, it should fetch the needed package for you	10:51
rellik_	yeah but what's the diff between them	10:51
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bretzel	Every dev tools are there but I just can't lauch g++ or gcc - not in my path! That means a config step have failes somewhere... I had to manually create the soft links to the bins...	10:51
Nafallo	smogger914: they are dependencies, so is installed automatically.	10:51
ycco	Anyone here have a Wireless PCI Adapter - WG311 v2 working under Ubuntu?	10:51
ycco	I was thinking about pulling my wifes wired network card and using this.	10:52
skeyeword	i hav wg311 working	10:52
skeyeword	just not w/ wpa yet	10:52
gro	rellik_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/	10:52
thully	anyone had trouble w/openoffice in hoary lately? mine seems to take 2 min to start (rather than 10-15 secs as it usually does)	10:54
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rellik_	ah ok thanks gro.. added universe and multiverse to my apt :)	10:54
gro	rellik_: you may add restricted too ;)	10:55
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spiral	thully: mine works fine	10:55
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haggai	thully: does it start faster when you do this: SAL_DISABLE_CUPS=1 openoffice	10:55
rellik_	gro: heh yeah apt had that already	10:55
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imka	hi	10:56
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thully	the problem only occurs when I start from the GNOME menu, curiously (not when I use openoffice or SAL_DISABLE_CUPS=1 openoffice)	10:57
imka	if i login to my ubuntu system remotely (ssh) and start a download with wget, will the download continued if i close the ssh session here? i wanna start downloading smthg and have it finished by the time i get home	10:57
rellik_	imka use screen	10:57
haggai	thully: oh different problem then	10:58
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quittt	what is Ubuntu?	10:58
NanoTek	An OS based on Linux	10:58
haggai	quittt: www.ubuntulinux.org	10:58
rellik_	imka no the dl will stop when you close the session(unless you use screen)	10:58
NanoTek	http://www.ubuntulinux.org	10:58
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imka	rellik_ how does that work? im not sure i have it installed here. let's see	10:58
jakroon	Anyone know if Mono will be included in Hoary ?	10:59
rellik_	screen comes in ubuntu	10:59
imka	im not using ubuntu at the moment	10:59
quittt	what is ubuntu focus?	10:59
imka	jakroon tell me about mono. i keep hearing about it	10:59
jakroon	imka, its a runtime environment for linux, in order to run .NET applications	11:00
quittt	why use Ubuntu not Slackware?	11:00
imka	jakroon, ive never done any coding and im seriously considering mono	11:00
jakroon	imka, using Mono together with Gtk# is really sweet	11:01
rellik_	does mono come with an IDE for writing code for the windows RE?	11:01
imka	jakroon, i have some gtk apps on my mind i would write.	11:01
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gro	rellik_: try searching for monodevelop	11:01
jakroon	rellik_, I'm not MonoDevelop has been ported to Win32, but they always have SharpDevelop	11:01
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crypticreign	hmm, xmms only buffers this stream up to 19/32KB and uses 100% cpu	11:02
jakroon	"sure"	11:02
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fraggsta	Has anyone here been having problems with Openoffice segfaulting? Whenever I try to run oowriter (or any other OO program) it segfaults.	11:05
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fraggsta	I'm running hoary.	11:06
borgista	who decides these names anyways? hoary? warty?	11:06
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BockBilbo	has anynone tried to use Open Office 1.9.69 in ubuntu?	11:07
borgista	no	11:07
borgista	no	11:07
kent	finally beep media player works in Hoary again. Its mich nicer then xmms ;)	11:07
tanek	anybody knows how to get sound working with stuff run through wine?	11:07
fraggsta	BockBilbo, yes, and it segfaults :(	11:07
BockBilbo	:s	11:07
BockBilbo	what do you mean?...	11:07
gro	kent: sure, now we need an crossover plugin ;)	11:07
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kent	gro, crossover plugin?	11:08
fraggsta	jrw6@pants:~ $ oowriter	11:08
fraggsta	Segmentation fault	11:08
BockBilbo	ohm...	11:08
BockBilbo	:s	11:08
gro	kent: to fade tracks	11:08
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gro	i meant crossfade of course ;)	11:09
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kent	gro, oh.. i never use that. Im just happy to have it working. it stoped working some time ago, kept segfaulting :(	11:09
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kent	sad to read on bmp's homepage that their homepage had been hacked :(	11:10
fraggsta	there's been a lot of that happening recently	11:10
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mjk	hi all	11:12
skeyeword	yo	11:12
mjk	I have a small problem with newly installed ubuntu	11:12
borgista	hello.	11:12
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liquidhex	What is a transparent terminal that there is an apt-get for..	11:13
liquidhex	or is there such a thing	11:13
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borgista	you make it transpert with the options.	11:13
Quest-Master	liquidhex: it's easy	11:13
mjk	for some reason, this ubuntu install resolves all names to 1.0.0.0 and it seems that for some reason the dns server isn't used at all even if the address is correct at the /etc/resolv.conf file.	11:13
borgista	transparent*	11:13
liquidhex	can the stock xterm do it? my tcpdump window is -bg black	11:13
borgista	???	11:13
gabaug	lifeless: the standard gnome-terminal can do it, just edit your 'profile'	11:13
lifeless	?	11:14
bretzel	Hi again :-) -- Question: I realize that Ubuntu / or Debian ENV setup is a bit cryptic: /etc/profile contains refs to all sort of evn setup script - But I need to set vars such as CVSROOT; CVS_RSH etc ... Where can I put it for system wide ???	11:14
liquidhex	Quest-Master, how do i do it then	11:14
gabaug	lifeless: Edit -> Current Profile -> Effects	11:14
Quest-Master	liquidhex: Edit -> Current Profile -> Effects -> Set Transparency	11:15
Quest-Master	ack	11:15
Quest-Master	gabaug got me to it. :P	11:15
lifeless	gabaug: I don't use gnoem-terminal, why are you telling me this stuff ?	11:15
gabaug	lifeless: whatever, have fun with xterm	11:15
bretzel	??	11:15
Quest-Master	Wait	11:15
gro	lifeless: liquidhex asked the question, gabaug didn't hit the tab key enough times ;)	11:16
Quest-Master	There is difference between lifeless and liquidhex..	11:16
Quest-Master	hehe.	11:16
gabaug	lifeless: whoops, sorry :)	11:16
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cavediver	Is there a good, modern cd/dvd writer application in Gnome ?	11:16
cavediver	I can't find one.	11:16
Killerbunny	I got a problem with my soundcard.. im currently on a dell 8500, and hotplug failed to find my card.	11:16
borgista	just use nautilus cd burner.	11:16
borgista	that's what i use.	11:17
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Killerbunny	Any suggestions?	11:17
gro	cavediver: nope not yet, want to write one? ;)	11:17
cavediver	borgista: i do, but it's limited i think.	11:17
liquidhex	Umm	11:17
cavediver	gro: If I had the skills :)	11:17
borgista	it is.	11:17
liquidhex	Where is this edit -> current profile?	11:17
gro	sme here cavediver ;)	11:17
liquidhex	not at the top of my xterm	11:17
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bretzel	please id someone free for telling me how I can put ENV varibales for system wide such CVSROOT value ???	11:18
gro	liquidhex: it is at the top of the gnome-terminal	11:18
liquidhex	oh shit	11:18
liquidhex	sorry.. thanks	11:18
gabaug	bretzel: you can probably put it into /etc/bash.bashrc	11:18
bretzel	sorry full of thumbs	11:18
AndyR	lo ppl	11:18
bretzel	gabaug: I tried but it seems not working ( echo $CVSROOT" is empty :-(	11:19
gabaug	bretzel: what line did you add to the rc file?	11:19
bretzel	export CVSROOT="..."	11:20
gro	bretzel: did you try to log of and then log back on?	11:20
gabaug	bretzel: you'll have to reopen your current terminal, or 'source' the rc file by doing . /etc/bash.bashrc	11:20
bretzel	indeed, after re-loging it doesn't shows the var	11:20
gabaug	bretzel: try sourcing the file by hand to make sure it works when done manually	11:21
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bretzel	ok thanks, I am searching other way of the right file to edit :-)	11:22
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bretzel	gabaug: DUH!!!! I am not only full of thumbs here -- It was a typo! :-) sory for the disturb :-)	11:24
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crypticreign	xmms only tries to buffer and uses 100% cpu.. ive tried a few different streams	11:26
liquidhex	How can I change the poo-colored titlebars from brown?	11:26
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misionero	i had a problem with the distro	11:28
fraggsta	liquidhex, desktop -> preferences -> theme	11:28
liquidhex	fraggsta, cool. thanks.	11:29
misionero	I've just tried to install it, but it fails in the stage of mounting the cdrom	11:29
misionero	what could that be??	11:29
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fraggsta	misionero, can you get to a terminal and type "dmesg"? might give you a clue	11:31
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htodd	what filesystems are available in the installer?	11:31
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fraggsta	htodd, just about every filesystem linux supports. I saw ext2, ext3, reiser, xfs	11:31
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liquidhex	cool.. how do I take a screenshot now?	11:32
fraggsta	desktop -> take screenshot :)	11:32
liquidhex	lol :D	11:32
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htodd	fraggsta: thanks.	11:35
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froust	I just installed the new ati drivers (synaptic downloaded - then changed ati->fglrx) and now i'm stuck with 640X480 resolution... anyone know how i can fix this?	11:36
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rellik_	can't get sound to work :( the onboard soundcard doesn't work (even in windows) so I have a PCI card in.. the ubuntu volume control lists 4 devices.. all are unmuted with vloume up but still no sound :( anyone know how to fix this?	11:40
misionero	fraggsta hdc: command error: status 0x51	11:40
misionero	hdc: command error: error 0x54	11:41
mwh	hi, im having a problem with evolution/spamassassin, its very slow :( anyone know what I can do to speed it up?	11:41
froust	Can anyone help me set up my ati card?	11:42
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fraggsta	misionero, I can only suggest that you use a different CD drive	11:43
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Killerbunny	I have a dell laptop 8500, but i cant make the soundcard work.	11:43
misionero	ok	11:43
K-Rich	crimsun: you here?	11:43
misionero	ill try thtat	11:43
neofeed	how can I get the MAC address of an incomming connection?	11:43
Killerbunny	I know it works under debian, but im getting errors when i boot in the hotplug part.	11:43
neofeed	say I listen on a given port and want to get the MAC address of the connecting interface... how would I do that?	11:44
crimsun	K-Rich: yes, but not fully attentive.	11:45
fraggsta	neofeed, you want to get someone else's MAC address?	11:45
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froust	When I try to change my screen resolution i get a message saying "The X Server does not support the XRandR extension."	11:45
K-Rich	crimsun: can you tell me your repository again so i can reget mplayer?	11:45
neofeed	fraggsta, I try to setup some image service. That will serve local boxes with a disk image. But as those boxes have different hardware. they might require different images. Thus I'd like to decide wich image to serve based on the MAC	11:46
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Killerbunny	K-Rich, its in the unofficial docs.	11:46
crimsun	K-Rich: deb http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./	11:46
BockBilbo	crimsun, is it possible to recover the runlevels config??	11:46
fraggsta	froust, I think a better way to get X working well is to do this: log out, shut down GDM, do "X -configure" as root and then copy the resulting /root/XF86Config to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf (depending whether you run X.Org or XFree)	11:47
BockBilbo	ive done an rm /etc/ without meaning to... and now ubuntu doesnt boot	11:47
BockBilbo	:S	11:47
BockBilbo	sucks	11:47
BockBilbo	:'(	11:47
fraggsta	BockBilbo, oops..your installation is hosed :(	11:47
froust	fraggsta: i just installed the new ati drivers - does that matter, or should i still try x -configure	11:47
crimsun	BockBilbo: "runlevels config?" Do you mean /etc/inittab?	11:47
BockBilbo	yeah	11:47
BockBilbo	:s	11:47
K-Rich	crimsun: thanks	11:47
BockBilbo	:s	11:48
fraggsta	froust, it worked for me with nvidia drivers, so it should work with ATI..	11:48
crimsun	BockBilbo: cp /usr/share/sysvinit/inittab /etc/inittab	11:48
BockBilbo	mm	11:48
froust	okeydokes.	11:48
BockBilbo	the problem is that i cannot login to ubuntu	11:48
BockBilbo	im in windows right now	11:48
BockBilbo	:S	11:48
fraggsta	wtf	11:49
crimsun	/etc and /var/lib/dpkg are both awful, awful things to muck up	11:49
fraggsta	I'm going to have to log out, my cursor just disappeared and won't reappear :(	11:49
NanoTek	BockBilbo, If you have deleted the whole /etc directory	11:49
froust	fragg: said missing output drivers, configuration failed.	11:49
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NanoTek	I think you can make a new install	11:49
NanoTek	:p	11:49
BockBilbo	NanoTek, i have deleted all the files in the /etc directory	11:49
BockBilbo	but not the directories inside the /etc directory	11:50
froust	should i try a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?	11:50
crimsun	froust: for Hoary's X.Org, yes	11:50
froust	k	11:50
BockBilbo	im gonna try smething..	11:50
NanoTek	you've deleted a lot of configuration files	11:50
BockBilbo	yeah	11:50
BockBilbo	i have most of them	11:50
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BockBilbo	but from a warty installation i had a month ago	11:51
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BockBilbo	should i try copying them from the backup image to the actual linux drive?	11:51
BockBilbo	:S	11:51
froust	No luck - resolution is still stuck	11:52
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froust	what about running fglrxconfig?	11:52
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crimsun	froust: sorry, I don't have scrollback. What's the issue?	11:55
froust	I installed the new ati drivers	11:55
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froust	I get 2000 fps with glrxgears	11:56
froust	i have a 9700, it sees it as a 9500 in fglrxinfo	11:56
froust	and my resolution wont' go past 640x480	11:56
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froust	and i'm on hoary/amd64	11:57
NanoTek	ato drivers sucked, sucks, and will suck	11:57
NanoTek	s/ato/ati	11:57
crimsun	froust: presuming you have a freshly regenerated /etc/X11/xorg.conf, have you followed the /wiki/BinaryDriverHowto?	11:57
froust	crimsun - how do i create a freshly regenerated xorg.conf?	11:58
froust	and where's the wiki/binarydriverhowto?	11:58
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crimsun	froust: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto	11:59
froust	okay	11:59

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