[12:02] I'm getting 200Kb/s now :) [12:02] seems to be getting a poor transfer rate on the blocks it downloads, but isn't downloading many [12:02] ah, ok [12:05] 564506624 100% 2.24MB/s 0:04:00 (2, 33.3% of 9) [12:05] 20Mb average isn't bad... [12:05] what link do you have there? [12:05] mdz: pheee [12:06] sladen: 3mbit [12:06] man [12:08] yay, the busybox init fix took [12:08] mdz: i get 68KB/s on amd here (line is capable to do 90 which i noramlly get from c.u.c) [12:08] i386 download is getting a more non-rsync transfer rate [12:08] mdz: how did you track it in the end ? [12:08] init that i [12:08] s [12:11] ogra: many slow test cycles [12:11] hmm with a lot reboots i guess.... [12:12] mdz: do you find an easy way to differeniate kernel threads? [12:12] lamont_r: is this a delta against 20050121 or 20050120.1? [12:12] I'm not sure what I had locally when I started the rsync [12:15] mdz: the change in cloop generation is in 20050121. [12:15] for i368 that's > 10... for the others, it should be .1 or so [12:15] sladen: we stole code from sysvinit === Nafallo [~nafallo@c-37ff70d5.038-1-65736b2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] are popcon stats available somewhere, or is it just 'not yet enabled' ? [12:24] down to < 60 minutes === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === minghua [~minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === __daniel [~daniel@td9091bde.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] <__daniel> re === lordan [~lordan@217.20.251.30] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] <__daniel> thanks ogra :-) [12:37] __daniel: doe sit work now ? [12:37] <__daniel> ogra: finally, yes :-) [12:38] hreat :) [12:38] /h/g/ === __daniel sees the headline of tomorrows newspaper: study proves: kernel-updates waste valuable time of your life [12:39] mdz: i understood that also non debina packages should have a ubuntu version number, sorry, next time i'll regard it === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] __daniel: ask fabio :) [12:41] __daniel: he can tell you about kernels and how they eat your time.... :) [12:41] <__daniel> now at least i know about /etc/iftab === Hwolf [~hidde@136.37.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] <__daniel> and found out that dhcp is capable of netbios stuff [12:42] Did any if you guys have any trouble with the repro's today? [12:42] __daniel: what's in /etc/iftab? [12:43] <__daniel> lamont_r: a table telling which ethX has which MAC/or_other adress === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-215-120-245.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] lamont_r: its a table that adds the ethX device to a specific MAC [12:43] ah, cool [12:43] glad that finally got in there.. (yeah, sometime ago, I'm sure..) [12:43] <__daniel> lamont_r: after the reboot, my router kept on confusing network devices [12:43] lamont_r: remember, with 2.4 you had to regard the load order of the modules .... [12:43] <__daniel> so thanks to ogra, i'm safe now :-) [12:44] ogra: or write scripts that figured out what the kernel had done to you... [12:44] yup :) [12:46] Ifrename always use the first matching mapping starting [12:47] from the end of iftab, therefore more restrictive mapping should be [12:47] specified last. [12:47] that could use some change... [12:48] win 45 [12:50] lamont_r: this whole paragraph sounds strange (even above this sentence) [12:50] my daughter just decided to write a short story with her spelling words... [12:50] yes [12:50] but that sentence really wants to say 'always uses the last matching mapping...' [12:51] lamont_r: the two sentences seem not related at all....probably worth a bug [12:51] ogra: feel free [12:51] heh [12:53] ogra@honk:~ $ dpkg -S /etc/iftab [12:53] dpkg: /etc/iftab not found. [12:53] hmm, what may generate it ? [12:55] ogra: netcfg creates it [12:56] what version number should I use in debian if I've already put a package in ubuntu versioned -1ubuntu1 [12:56] mdz: are there any set of documents appropriate for shipping on the cd? docteam ubuntu user guide for example? [12:57] mdz: hmm, but it has a manpage that is wrong....ha, found it ogra@honk:~ $ dpkg -S /usr/share/man/man5/iftab.5.gz [12:57] ifrename: /usr/share/man/man5/iftab.5.gz [12:57] sivang: I should ask you, you are on the documentation team, and not me ;-) [12:58] mdz: I say we do! However, that should probably be in the limis of the diskspace on the cd. [12:58] Riddell: assuming -1 is in Debian? -2 would be the dch -i; then you'd make -2ubuntu1, and so forth. [12:58] crimsun: nothing is in debian [12:59] I'd opt for having all the ubuntu specific docs in, so someone without net access could also learn about the system - again, in the space constraints. [12:59] son of bitch. must kill pitti [12:59] sivang: if you have enough documentation that we need to worry about space, then that is a good problem to have [12:59] 700 files to mirror??? gag me [12:59] Riddell: if the packages are identical aside from branding differences, I say -1. [12:59] mdz: hehe, ok, I'll tell the gang that you said to fill up the remaining space with docs :) [01:00] crimsun: ok [01:00] Riddell: normally they're -0ubuntuX until they're in Sid, then -1ubuntuX and so on [01:05] crimsun: the logical successor to -1 is -1ubuntu1, not -2ubuntu1 [01:05] debian's -2 should be newer [01:06] lamont_r: that's what I'm saying. [01:06] sivang: make an mpeg screencapture tutorial for all functions of the desktop if you dont know how to fill the space ;) [01:06] lamont_r: otherwise he'd have to make a -2 for sid and then a -2ubuntu1 for hoary, no? [01:06] if he was doing something for sid, then he'd bump the debian version. [01:07] and merge the ubuntu diff into that === sladen [paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] lamont_r: according to him, currently there's no sid package of it [01:09] then probably -0ubuntu1 and start counting [01:09] lamont_r: yeah, that was my reasoning as well, except there's already a -1ubuntu1 ;) [01:09] of course, if it could go into debian (even experimental), that'd be the preferred method [01:10] because if you wind up with a diff orig.tar.gz in debian, then you wind up with 1ubuntu1-1ubuntu1 later. :-( [01:11] grumble. back down to 50K/s [01:11] 15 minutes remaining... woot [01:12] crimsun: after -1ubuntu1 is -1ubuntu2 [01:12] lamont_r: so he should make -2 for experimental/sid, then a -2ubuntu1 for hoary, correct? [01:13] it's not too hard to upload -2 as the first release to sid [01:13] ah, if he's sending something to sid and he likes himself, then yes... -2 for sid and -2ubuntu1 for hoary [01:13] ajmitch: right. [01:14] and just remember the -sa for sid === Hwolf [~hidde@136.37.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] I've been having problems with the repostories all day, has anyone else noticed anything? [01:14] nope [01:14] I've been downloading fine [01:15] Hwolf: if you mean bandwidth being sucky, then yes - others have noticed it although it appears happier now [01:15] W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key [01:15] That, and package not found, etc. [01:15] hoary-security? [01:15] hoary-security doesn't have anything (and won't until at least april, hopefully much later...) [01:15] crimsun: it's created, but empty [01:15] lamont_r: right. [01:15] lamont_r: I don't notice lack of bandwidth from the server ,since I have none at my end :) [01:16] ajmitch: I only notice it when I drive 15 miles to town to get bandwidth... :-) [01:16] Hey ajmitch, have you gotten any hint on what could cause the gnome volume applet to mess up my audio? [01:18] Hwolf: changes alsa settings? [01:18] I don't know [01:19] on my sid laptop, restarting udev causes the volume settings to be restored [01:19] If I open gnome-volume-control it breaks the currently playing audio and all I hear is static, if I reselect the card, or reopen the tool, things go back to normal. [01:19] interesting [01:19] ajmitch: firing up the panel and switching back to alsa fixes it... no clue as to cause [01:20] gnome-volume-control uses gstreamer as backend now, right? [01:21] ajmitch: It should [01:22] sigh, seems that a LUG machine that friends run just got rooted [01:22] great way to spend a weekend :) [01:23] ajmitch, consider spending the weekend at the university cafeteria working on a business plan with a monday-4pm deadline. [01:23] oh that's fairly usual for students [01:23] except it's more spending the weekend in the basement lab coding for me [01:24] *g* I've put in 15 hours on the plan in the last 4 days, and we still need 20% of it. [01:25] lamont_r: still here? [01:25] yeah [01:25] 3 people are writing, and i am typing it into a single cohesive project, editing and such. I feel braindead. :-) [01:25] 4 min eta [01:25] kids would like to go home from the coffee shop though... [01:25] mdz: wassup? [01:26] lamont_r, here in holland, you don't let kids into coffee shops. :-) [01:26] hehe === lamont_r wonders if/when daniels is going to split xorg source up, so that it's less than 270MB/upload [01:26] Hwolf: yeah - there are a couple of other kids in evidence, but mostly considerably younger than mine... [01:26] lamont_r: it was going to be hoary, but I got overruled on that one. ho hum. [01:27] daniels: any planned need for -12? === Hwolf thinks daniels would rather do that either when xorg goes modular, right? [01:27] lamont_r: yeah [01:27] Hwolf: it's already moving modular === lamont_r sighs. [01:27] this week, or next? [01:27] lamont_r: this weekend [01:27] daniels: hint dbus-qt :) [01:27] amu: yeah :) === lamont_r makes a note to snarf bandwidth somewhere [01:27] daniels, can you tell me how to get xvid working with the fglrx driver? I've tried, but had no luck. [01:28] lamont_r: you could just ignore *6.8.1-1ubuntu12* for a while [01:28] Hwolf: dunno, sorry, don't use binary drivers myself [01:28] lamont_r: going to upload busybox-cvs shortly [01:28] daniels, cool. [01:28] i've used fglrx for about 10min to make sure it worked, and nvidia-glx for about an hour to debug a weird problem [01:28] lamont_r: need to get those changes into a d-i build [01:28] mdz: OK. [01:28] gonna make :30, or do I have an hour? [01:29] daniels, the problem is, at this moment you can't use the fgrlx drivers out-of-the-box with apps like totem or tvtime. [01:29] Hwolf: hmm ... there's probably an option about picking the gl or xv overlay [01:29] lamont_r: it's on its way up now [01:29] and my clock shows :30 [01:29] daniels: if I want good 3D 24-bit double buffered video,what card do you recommend [01:30] daniels, i've searched, but can't find it. And anyhow, it should be standard, right? [01:30] DC shows mostly after :30 [01:30] lamont_r: 3d video? [01:30] Hwolf: not really, fglrx has its own wacky options [01:30] including one which is a bitmask about capabilities [01:30] which means source will snap at :03, and binaries will be there at :33.. d-i should be available shortly thereafter [01:30] meaning I have to be at the computer at :33 [01:30] daniels: s/video/graphics/ [01:31] some sort of accelerated 3D engine, etc, etc. [01:31] oh, and under $200 [01:31] US [01:31] :-) [01:31] lamont_r: i got my radeon 8500 for $us20 off ebay -- very good card [01:31] i mean, it probably isn't too shit hot on hl2, but yeah, it generally keeps up quite well === lamont_r makes a note [01:31] if you can find a radeon 9100, even better [01:32] the 9200 is flaky and I dislike it, ditto 9250 [01:32] ok. [01:32] and anything above that requires fglrx for 3D === lamont_r runs so he can buzz the store on the way home. [01:32] daniels, i've had a 9200se for a year, and it's the latest supported card for 'ati' Has always worked fine, specially with ubuntu [01:32] mdz: if you _DID_ make :33, please phone/txt msg me and I'll hussle, otherwise should be back on at about :15 or :20 === lamont_r flees [01:33] lamont_r: 79 N T Jan 22 Ubuntu Installe (0.3K) busybox-cvs_20040623-1ubuntu10_source.changes ACCEPTED [01:33] is that from :35 or :30? [01:33] Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:30:02 +0000 (GMT) [01:33] sigh. you won === lamont_r will hussle [01:34] Hwolf: i dislike the entire concept of the rv280 chipset, and the 9200 has had a lot of weird problems [01:34] btw: Is anything planned to simplify using an rp-pppoe connection with ubuntu? Last time I tried it took me 3 days to get the network going here? [01:34] daniels, I'm starting to dislike ATI in general, they spend more time doing marketing than coding drivers, if you ask me. [01:35] I got around setting up ppp this time by buying a router, but here they sell a lot of cheap-ass adsl connections which come with the modem integrated in a usb-stick, so putting in a router is not an option. [01:36] Hwolf: unfortunately, for open drivers, all you have is ati and i8xx for halfway-modern hardware, and i8xx relies on often incredibly buggy VBE implementations to program modes [01:37] (my laptop has an i8xx, my desktop has a Radeon) [01:37] daniels, unfortunatly, my next mobo is not going to be agp, so i'll have to move closed-source. :-S [01:38] Hwolf: mmm, yeah. i've got a PCIE motherboard (other parts on order), so it's going to be closed-source for 3D. [01:39] (that being said, the 3D stuff I want to play is closed-source, so I've already taken that hit) [01:40] I've got a new-year resolution of not installing windows at all this year. I use it at school and at my parents, that's enough. However, i've got one of the greatest games in history lying on top of my monitor, and there is no way in hell that winex will ever support it. :-S [01:40] easy solution, don't play games [01:41] I've been using mostly ubuntu since the release of warty, but I haven't played a game exept majhong since december. :-S [01:41] That's the longest i've been without playing games since I was 11, i think. [01:42] the last time i seriously played a (proprietary) game is more then 5 years back [01:42] or more.. [01:42] It's a good way to get rid of the addiction. [01:43] All I want right now is to see hoary play a dvd out of the box. :-S [01:43] if you want to buy games, buy a console, much better :) [01:43] gstreamer made some progress, I can now play a dvd in totem-gstreamer. I don't have sound tho. [01:43] and no i don't have one.. [01:44] sjoerd, I'm a strategy-gamer. That doesn't go with consoles. [01:44] the problem is the patent stuff and the gray legal area... [01:44] Hwolf: point [01:44] I know the problem. I've considered trying Yole. They ship patented stuff. Based in Russia. :-D [01:45] mjg59: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=52998&postcount=12 [01:46] sjoerd: no halflife 2? :P [01:47] Hwolf: apt-get install freeciv :) === sjoerd didn't even know that there was a sequal [01:47] fps make me sick anyway [01:48] daniels: how's with the dbus qt bindings? any plans on them [01:48] more and more people start asking [01:48] ajmitch. I'd rather see something like the total war series. :-) [01:49] Hwolf: Check out Battle for Wesnoth, it's in universe. Hoary's version is much better (newer) [01:49] Whooh. I feel good. I'm running a pyhton2.3-less system. [01:50] jdz_ I did. It was good for an hour. [01:50] Hwolf: *laughs* okay. [01:51] Hwolf: and what do you have against python2.3? [01:51] jdz_ The problem is, once you've seen a squad of armoured war-elephants march through a few units of legionaires, 2d just doesn't cut it anymore [01:51] sjoerd: either today or tomorrow [01:52] ajmitch, nothing, exept that it's 70mb and 50 packages. :-) [01:52] sjoerd: heh, I have a PS2. both that and San Andreas aren't exactly open source/open platform. [01:53] daniels: cool, lemme know then i'll put it in the debian package too [01:53] sjoerd: will do [01:54] if it works out for ubuntu then it should be fine for unstable too.... [01:55] daniels: consoles aren't general purpose machines, so i don't care as much about being open.. [01:55] and if you want to do proprietary games your already lost... No need to make it worse by forsing more and more closed stuff on you once open/free system :) [01:56] could someone explain what this means (trying to work out why a package hasn't been built "universe/sound/kdemultimedia_4:3.3.2-1ubuntu4 by buildd+crested [optional:out-of-date] " [01:57] Riddell: needs to be built, although I'm not sure why crested has claimed it [01:57] Riddell: how long ago did you upload it? [01:57] sjoerd: heh. at the same time, I want it to look nice, which sort of precludes r2xx. :P [01:57] daniels: amu uploaded it on the 15th === sjoerd has all nice and free drivers on his rv350 [01:58] "universe/sound/kdemultimedia_4:3.3.2-1ubuntu4: Building by buildd+crested [optional:out-of-date] " is that the build-depend on arch-all which depends on arch-specidic problem [01:58] it's not that thare are non-free drives i could use, but still :) [01:59] sjoerd: sure, but not with 3D acceleration [01:59] i mean, I could run free drivers on my r423, and I will almost all the time [02:00] but when I'm playing HL2 ... not really [02:00] as said, no games, easy solution :) [02:00] sjoerd: heh [02:00] daniels: any idea why ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't work in X anymore on the live CD? [02:00] it used to [02:00] mdz: hm. [02:01] mdz: no [02:01] mdz: i'll download the latest live CD tonight [02:01] daniels: lamont has made it rsyncable [02:01] I wonder if it is possible to combine rsync and torrent [02:02] use rolling checksums with bittorrent [02:02] mdz: in any case, I haven't got a seed [02:02] so I'll grab the full tonight and add rsyncing it to my mirroring script [02:02] there are no torrents for the hoary live CDs yet [02:02] terminology collision [02:02] seed as in, pull it the first time [02:02] so rsync is more useful than wget [02:02] daniels, will usplash make Hoary? [02:03] Hwolf: ask sladen [02:04] Riddell, It's 2 am, and I wanted some good news before going to bed. ;-) [02:05] omg. It's saturday already. In 10 hours i'll be rewriting business plans again. :-) [02:06] Good night to you all. [02:07] daniels: if you don't have a seed, wget is preferable [02:08] mdz: right [02:20] mdz: so you're gonna be ready at :33, or did you not upload yet? [02:28] daniels: Yeah, it switches off the backlight (as does vbetool dpms off), but it doesn's solve the power consumeption issues [02:29] mjg59: oh, hum [02:29] arse [02:29] (V. V. Drunk) [02:30] mjg59: it is, after all, saturday morning [02:30] no better time [02:30] I got dragged to a gay bar [02:30] (Let's start a nuclear war) [02:31] 1.5 bottles of wine, 3 pints, some spirits. Not too bad on the grand scale of things. [02:34] lamont: everything I need is uploaded [02:34] lamont: last thing was at 0054 UTC [02:34] so it should be in the archive now, yes? [02:35] in theory [02:35] but it isn't [02:35] gotta give it a little time to mirroor [02:36] build log is there [02:36] what state does Lists say? [02:36] where is Lists? [02:36] ah, buildLogs/Lists [02:36] utils/busybox-cvs_20040623-1ubuntu10: Installed by buildd+mcmurdo [-:out-of-date] [02:36] misc/casper_0.26: Uploaded by buildd+rockhopper [-:out-of-date] [02:37] so casper isn't, but busybox-cvs is [02:37] assuming those are the right versions [02:38] Jan 22 01:10:01 buildd-mail: casper has been installed; removing from upload dir: [02:38] \ [02:38] that was 0.26 [02:38] those are the right versions [02:39] hrm.. the logs aren't necessarily mirrored quite that quick... let me check. [02:39] casper 0.26 and busybox-cvs 1ubuntu10 are the ones I want [02:39] casper is arch: all, yes [02:39] ? [02:39] yes [02:39] so you want it to be missing from Lists/hoary.all.i386 [02:39] and it is. [02:39] just not mirrored yet [02:39] launching d-i builds everywhere [02:39] thanks [02:40] lamont: will you be hanging around on IRC tomorrow? [02:40] lamont: i've finished salvaging my CVS stuff and can't do much hacking tonight (2:40AM), but will certainly test and debug ia64 stuff by tomorrow [02:40] T-Bone: dunno what the plan is for tomorrow... afternoon (>7UTC) is pretty committed, for at least a few hours, earlier than that is possible [02:40] ok cool [02:41] wife has a full day, daughter #1 has a full day, daughter #2 is gonna have to find something to entertain herself with. [02:41] lol [02:41] me, I may just go download the rest of my aching mirror [02:41] 271 files to go [02:41] lamont: want me to play the baby-sitter? :^) === T-Bone ducks quickly! [02:41] don't think you could fly here that quick [02:41] hehe [02:42] actually, not much babysitting involved [02:42] mdz: so you just need new d-i b its, not a new tarball? [02:42] s/tarball/rootfs/ [02:42] lamont: correct [02:42] hell [02:42] lamont: i'll dl last iso tomorrow and hope that everything has been merged so that I can get the install to complete :) [02:42] elmo isn't around to byhand them, though [02:43] gnight all [02:43] so I don't suppose there's any point === T-Bone is now known as T-None [02:43] mdz: I have the tarballs [02:43] or will have [02:43] it would be nice if we didn't need N people all to be present in order to make this work :-/ [02:44] mdz: if you had a reasonably close mirror, you could always start building the SoCal edition... [02:44] no point in doing the d-i build, I guess [02:45] already running [02:45] and no point in killing it - the cleanup is annoying [02:45] so ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-base install on hppa. of course that means _ABSOLUTELY_NOTHING_ [02:46] mdz: what would you think of having the binary build of ubuntu-meta notice that base-$arch is missing, and use the Packages files in /var/apt/lists to go with the seeds to build something for the bastard step-child architectures? [02:46] lamont: if you don't need them, exclude xserver-xorg-dbg and xlibmesa-dri-dbg [02:47] lamont: there's a win there of 50mb per package per arch [02:47] lamont: I don't follow [02:47] yeah - that's most of the half of the 270.. :-) [02:47] lamont: why not do a source upload? [02:47] mdz: because the next source upload would trash it. [02:47] the decision to _not_ do anything funky like that during the binary package build was explicit [02:47] or would it? [02:48] the only thing which changes the lists in the source package is the update script [02:48] so the answer to my question is that you would strenuously object. got it. [02:48] the binary build does nothing but gencontrol substitutions [02:48] what about making it FTBFS if {base,desktop}-$arch are not present? [02:48] it should work unchanged for all architectures in the main archive === ogra [~ogra@p508EA58B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] hmm, it doesn't already do that? [02:49] no. it builds a package with no Depends [02:49] which is cute but unhelpful [02:49] no pcmcia networking for me on the live cd today :( [02:49] failing would be preferable [02:49] mdz: OK. will make the change [02:50] s/will/I will/ [02:50] ogra: did you do any troubleshooting? [02:51] not yet.... its about 3am here....i'll do it tomorrow, but it detects fine, even dhcp detection is done in less then 2 seconds (normal) it seems to fail in the last stage [02:52] the rsolv.conf contains my local dns entry, but there is no pcmcia device...../etc/init.d/pcmcia is missing as well, is this intentional ? [02:58] ogra: which architecture? [02:58] i386? [02:58] amd64 [02:58] mdz: guess we want to have pcmcia packages in the rootfs, eh? [02:59] Riddell: ?? [02:59] ogra: does it work during the first stage? [03:00] ah, yes, it is [03:00] so I think lamont is correct [03:00] in fact I think I noticed that it was missing and forgot to email [03:00] i havent pinged or switched consoles [03:00] lamont: you'll want to be careful about the install though [03:00] lamont: I've seen pcmcia-cs hang non-laptops if it starts up [03:00] that's also going to be a problem for the live CD [03:00] but we need to fix that anyway [03:00] lamont: sorry [03:01] s/non-laptop/no pcmcia/, yes? [03:01] dunno, never saw a laptop without pcmcia [03:01] daniels: 12 uploaded you say? [03:01] mdz: i've seen that to on a desktop machine (pcmcia hangs) [03:01] lamont: not yet, but about to. and a l-r-m. with a new orig. [03:01] non-laptops can have pcmcia [03:01] well, not one capable of running Linux [03:01] daniels: life goes on [03:01] (but l-r-m won't happen desperately soon, given the orig takes 45min to upload) [03:01] I assume it's non-pcmcia [03:01] I have a bug open in bugzilla about a Dell (go figure) which has this problem [03:02] our new slogan should be "Ubuntu: don't buy a Dell! kthxbye" [03:02] heh [03:02] mdz: at least it has PCI [03:02] mdz: i think you dont need to focus on getting pcmcia for non desktops to work [03:02] barely [03:02] someone tried installing Ubuntu on an ISA laptop not long ago [03:02] lamont: ah, you're here [03:02] Riddell: replying to your mail now [03:04] I bet that fails spectacularly [03:04] err, /desktops/laptops/ indeed [03:05] hmm, /var is 50% full on my hoary box already [03:05] mdz: i think it would have worked, but the lappie only had 32MB.....so the guy gave up after about 2 weeks of struggling... [03:06] Riddell: sent [03:06] mdz: the guy daniels is talking about.... === lamont brb [03:07] rc pcmcia-cs 3.2.5-7ubuntu6 PCMCIA Card Services for Linux [03:07] I had it installed on my desktop at one point... [03:07] mdz: quite spectacularly, yes [03:07] lamont: thanks === Riddell sleeps [03:08] mdz: it also lacked a cd-rom drive [03:08] mdz: and had no netboot capability [03:08] lamont: it usually works [03:08] but sometimes doesn't [03:09] d-i has a check it uses to decide whether to install pcmcia-cs [03:09] I think init.d/pcmcia-cs should do the same [03:09] and then we can install it unconditionally [03:15] mdz: i can do more tests tomorrow morning if you like, any particular info i should collect additionally ? [03:16] ogra: I think lamont is correct, and the problem is simply that pcmcia-cs is not installed [03:16] ogra: please file a bug [03:16] ok [03:21] mdz: pointer to the logic? and then I'll add it, upload, and update the package [03:22] s/package$/livecd script/ === thully_ [~knoppix@151.144.199.184] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:22]