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| jdz_ | hello! | 12:50 |
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| sivang | hey jdz_ | 02:23 |
| jdz_ | I'm actually headed home, be back on in a bit | 02:27 |
| trickie | hello | 03:19 |
| trickie | anyone: when making a cross reference to another part of a docbook, sean suggested to me to use xref. | 03:20 |
| trickie | anyone: but xref doesn't seem to render in Yelp | 03:20 |
| trickie | anyone: what i really want is an internal link | 03:20 |
| trickie | anyone: any ideas? | 03:21 |
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| froud | African Greetings | 09:21 |
| trickie | Australian Greetings | 09:26 |
| froud | hey trickie | 09:27 |
| trickie | froud, hello there! | 09:29 |
| froud | what up in oz | 09:30 |
| froud | the place still burning | 09:30 |
| trickie | no... not at the moment :) | 09:31 |
| trickie | at least not that i am aware of | 09:31 |
| trickie | just a nice sunny saturday arvo here in melb | 09:32 |
| trickie | Australian Open Tennis is on at the moment here | 09:32 |
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| froud | trickie, it should be later there now | 09:42 |
| trickie | froud, later? | 09:43 |
| froud | It should be late at night | 09:43 |
| trickie | froud, it is 7.45pm | 09:43 |
| froud | ah yes | 09:44 |
| froud | hell the time zone in au always confusd me | 09:44 |
| trickie | froud, he he... you are in SA are't you? | 09:44 |
| froud | how's it going on the srelease notes | 09:44 |
| froud | yes | 09:44 |
| trickie | yeah not too bad | 09:44 |
| trickie | I am trying to figure out how to do intenral linsk in docbook... | 09:45 |
| froud | internal you mean within the same document | 09:45 |
| trickie | yes | 09:45 |
| trickie | Sean was telling/showing me how to use xref, but it doesn't render any thing in Yelp... | 09:45 |
| froud | <xref linkend="[someId] "/> | 09:45 |
| trickie | yeah... i have that now for something... | 09:46 |
| froud | You mean Shaunm | 09:46 |
| froud | or Sean | 09:46 |
| froud | I am Sean | 09:46 |
| trickie | he he | 09:46 |
| trickie | yes you! | 09:46 |
| froud | Ok | 09:46 |
| froud | I noticed problems with yelp and xref | 09:47 |
| trickie | yeah | 09:47 |
| froud | what version of yelp | 09:47 |
| trickie | hmmm... i'll check ... i still have warty on this machine | 09:47 |
| trickie | 2.6.4 | 09:48 |
| froud | Yes, it's wacked | 09:48 |
| trickie | ok | 09:48 |
| froud | I think it is best to run the make targets | 09:48 |
| trickie | yeah | 09:48 |
| trickie | ok | 09:48 |
| froud | have you run make before | 09:48 |
| froud | you can do make rn | 09:48 |
| trickie | yeah | 09:48 |
| froud | ok good | 09:48 |
| trickie | nah i hadn't tried the make scripts | 09:49 |
| froud | with all the problems in yelp I am betting on plain old html | 09:49 |
| froud | I would like to use yelp, but it just has too many problems | 09:49 |
| froud | I added make rn a few days ago | 09:50 |
| froud | sent a message to the list about it | 09:50 |
| trickie | yeah thanks | 09:50 |
| trickie | that works ok... | 09:50 |
| trickie | i get a hyperlink now... | 09:50 |
| froud | Yes | 09:50 |
| froud | want a tip | 09:50 |
| trickie | yo | 09:51 |
| froud | you can also add id attributes to things like title elements | 09:52 |
| froud | <sect1 id="sect-somename"><title id="title-sect-somename">..... | 09:52 |
| froud | then use <xref linkend="" endterm=""/> | 09:53 |
| froud | where | 09:53 |
| froud | <xref linkend="sect-somename" endterm="title-sect-somename"/> | 09:53 |
| froud | It useful if you wantto take the lext link from somewhere else | 09:54 |
| froud | for example from a subtitle | 09:54 |
| trickie | yeah cool | 09:54 |
| froud | <sect1 id="sect-somename"><title>...</title><subtitle id="subtitle-sect-somename">... | 09:55 |
| trickie | i have been using endterm to link into a list | 09:55 |
| trickie | can an id be given to any element? | 09:55 |
| froud | yes you can also use it on phrase when the phrase is inline in a para | 09:55 |
| froud | yes | 09:55 |
| froud | what editor do you use | 09:56 |
| trickie | gvim | 09:57 |
| trickie | what do you use? | 09:57 |
| froud | oxygen http://www.inwords.co.za/products.html | 09:58 |
| froud | it's a commercail product | 09:58 |
| froud | comercial | 09:58 |
| froud | but only $64 | 09:58 |
| froud | needs java | 09:58 |
| trickie | ok... i have read good things about it | 09:59 |
| froud | makes editing faster | 10:00 |
| froud | and has tag insight so you can easily see the attibutes an element takes | 10:00 |
| trickie | ah ok... like code completion suggestions in IDE's like eclipse | 10:01 |
| froud | yes | 10:01 |
| froud | you can also use oxygen as an eclipse plugin | 10:01 |
| trickie | nice | 10:02 |
| trickie | i like eclipse... i haven't installed any java software on ubuntu | 10:02 |
| trickie | I used to use OSX for java based stuff cause it was so pain free... | 10:02 |
| trickie | but now i put Ubuntu on my ibook too! | 10:02 |
| froud | yeah, the ubuntu guys aren't hot on java | 10:02 |
| trickie | no... | 10:03 |
| froud | personally I love it | 10:03 |
| froud | also like QT cause it can run anywhere | 10:03 |
| trickie | although it seems pretty straight forward to get the Sun x86 installer happening | 10:03 |
| trickie | yeah QT is nice | 10:03 |
| froud | you installed Ubuntu instead of OXX | 10:03 |
| froud | OSX | 10:04 |
| froud | wow | 10:04 |
| trickie | yeah | 10:04 |
| froud | why OSX is so cool | 10:04 |
| trickie | it worked so well! | 10:04 |
| trickie | um... it is an old ibook, got as heap of ram, but it just doesn't keep sometimes | 10:04 |
| trickie | it performs so much better with ubuntu on it | 10:05 |
| froud | good to know | 10:05 |
| trickie | but one day i want a G5 and then i'll stick to OSX :) | 10:05 |
| trickie | wait... a dual G5 | 10:05 |
| froud | yes G% is cool, but my dream is a Cray | 10:05 |
| trickie | he he | 10:05 |
| trickie | ah nice | 10:06 |
| trickie | opne day aye | 10:06 |
| trickie | one day aye | 10:06 |
| froud | there's only two in south africa | 10:06 |
| froud | its a military weapon :-) | 10:07 |
| trickie | as expected | 10:07 |
| trickie | probably a similar situation here | 10:07 |
| froud | yep | 10:07 |
| trickie | well time for some dinner i reckon... | 10:08 |
| froud | ok gonna do some work. having bandwidth problems here | 10:08 |
| trickie | thanks for the xref/yelp help | 10:08 |
| froud | anytime | 10:08 |
| trickie | see ya | 10:08 |
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| ChrisH | sivang: Hi... I'm in bed. 39.5C fever :( | 06:32 |
| venda | ChrisH, so what you doing on IRC? | 06:58 |
| ChrisH | venda: recovering :) | 07:04 |
| ChrisH | venda: Actually I was curious what I missed. I'm not used to stay offline for three days. Makes me nervous. | 07:04 |
| venda | ChrisH, have not missed much | 07:04 |
| venda | ChrisH, you can see two of me now, froud and venda | 07:05 |
| ChrisH | venda: at least you have become schizo :) | 07:05 |
| venda | froud is my SuSE box, venda is my ubuntu box | 07:05 |
| venda | finally got warty installed | 07:06 |
| venda | after long fight o do so | 07:06 |
| venda | then I switched of acpi in the BIOS and hey what do you know it worked. | 07:07 |
| ChrisH | notebook? | 07:07 |
| venda | no | 07:07 |
| ChrisH | strange | 07:07 |
| ChrisH | I only had troubles with installing Ubuntu on laptops. PCs always worked here. And I have very weird PCs. | 07:07 |
| venda | yeah and a ran the install with linux acpi=off | 07:07 |
| venda | but that did not work | 07:08 |
| venda | only when I disabled in the bios | 07:08 |
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| ChrisH | I read that some manufacturers don't care much for their acpi implementation. It just needs to work on XP. | 07:08 |
| venda | now I am trying to figure how we can do vendor drops in an easy way | 07:08 |
| ChrisH | Yeah, the vendors drops thingy sounds both mightyful and mysterious to me. | 07:09 |
| venda | problem is GNOME is in CVS | 07:09 |
| ChrisH | We probably won't convince them to use baz. :) | 07:10 |
| froud | and each apps has its own C/docs or C/help directory | 07:10 |
| abelli | ciao | 07:10 |
| abelli | Kinnison: haloa | 07:10 |
| froud | abelli, now I have warty | 07:11 |
| abelli | why | 07:11 |
| froud | give me a W, give me a A | 07:11 |
| froud | discoved if I switch off acopi in the BIOS warty installs | 07:11 |
| abelli | what was it? | 07:12 |
| abelli | brand? | 07:12 |
| venda | no name build it myself | 07:12 |
| abelli | Kinnison: what about the toskiba acpi? | 07:12 |
| abelli | venda: what? | 07:12 |
| venda | venda = froud | 07:12 |
| venda | froud = venda | 07:12 |
| venda | venda = ubuntu | 07:13 |
| venda | froud = SuSE | 07:13 |
| abelli | venda: how did you do that? | 07:13 |
| venda | two boxes | 07:13 |
| venda | and a vnc | 07:13 |
| abelli | eheh.. no i mean. how did you build your diy laptop? | 07:14 |
| venda | laptop no its a atx | 07:14 |
| abelli | ah... | 07:14 |
| venda | I get the pieces and diy | 07:14 |
| venda | cheaper | 07:14 |
| venda | only cost me ZAR700 | 07:15 |
| abelli | yeah.. i just associated the word acpi, with the meaning "laptop power management" | 07:15 |
| abelli | how many euros? | 07:15 |
| venda | Hmmm dunno hold | 07:15 |
| abelli | ok http://www.anysystem.com/u60-ugly-1.html | 07:16 |
| froud | 90.3892 | 07:16 |
| abelli | what? | 07:17 |
| froud | well built a P3 1GHz with 768RAM for the above | 07:17 |
| abelli | i mean.. who did you stole it? | 07:17 |
| froud | no man | 07:17 |
| abelli | s/stole/* | 07:18 |
| froud | Just buy the pieces from the right places and build it | 07:18 |
| froud | Oh and it has ATI AGP with 128MB | 07:18 |
| abelli | with 90 euros you want get your gf out on saturday night here in italy | 07:18 |
| froud | I know that why I love Africa | 07:18 |
| abelli | froud: would you host me [ill sleep under your stairs] ? | 07:19 |
| froud | no worries I have a self contained flat upstairs | 07:19 |
| froud | 100 m sq | 07:19 |
| froud | would that be enough | 07:19 |
| froud | Italy is nice but expensive | 07:20 |
| abelli | etologist say i only need 10 , sq | 07:20 |
| froud | etologists never been to africa :-) | 07:21 |
| froud | Here to have good 'ubuntu' you need space :-) | 07:21 |
| abelli | well the rest of the world seems to be very expensive compared to africa.. | 07:21 |
| abelli | :) | 07:21 |
| froud | Yes | 07:22 |
| abelli | that's why my prime minister is silvio berl* | 07:22 |
| abelli | because there's no ubuntu in the air :) | 07:22 |
| froud | :--0 | 07:22 |
| abelli | a little thougt: why can you buy a 90E computer and why cant you afford adsl? | 07:23 |
| abelli | with "you" i mean south africans... | 07:23 |
| froud | I am on DSL 512 | 07:23 |
| abelli | do you know what a freedom toaster is? | 07:23 |
| froud | but telkom our telescum company caps | 07:23 |
| froud | of course | 07:23 |
| abelli | ok... | 07:23 |
| froud | and no freedom toaster near me | 07:24 |
| abelli | jason, the project leader, told me that in south africa dsl connections are really expensive | 07:24 |
| froud | yes | 07:24 |
| froud | costs me 1000 zar a month and if I use more than 3GB the throttle my bandwidth | 07:24 |
| froud | EU 129.1275 | 07:25 |
| froud | maskie, feel free to chime in anytime | 07:25 |
| froud | maskie is on ISDN | 07:26 |
| froud | special call rate on weekends | 07:26 |
| abelli | ...it's like having a great brain [cheap computers] and not the opportunity to communicate your thoughts [absurd dsl rates] | 07:26 |
| froud | 7 ZAR for any call between friday night and monday morn | 07:26 |
| froud | yeah, but still love africa | 07:27 |
| abelli | and isnt there an anti-trust thing? | 07:27 |
| froud | kawabunga!!! a what? | 07:28 |
| froud | where | 07:28 |
| froud | who | 07:28 |
| froud | why | 07:28 |
| abelli | in italy, there's an agency that _pretend_ to control | 07:28 |
| abelli | services' rates | 07:28 |
| froud | democracy is all about prentending to controll | 07:29 |
| abelli | and its called anti-trust | 07:29 |
| froud | yeah, there is that here | 07:29 |
| froud | but this is the wild wild west | 07:29 |
| froud | who cares about rules and regulations | 07:29 |
| abelli | ok follow my reasoning: | 07:30 |
| froud | on one side its good because there is much opportunity | 07:30 |
| froud | ok reason | 07:30 |
| abelli | id like to come in SA -> | 07:30 |
| abelli | ...no no.. | 07:30 |
| abelli | if in south africa computers are cheap.. | 07:30 |
| venda | woza!! | 07:31 |
| abelli | there's no need for a trashware.project right? | 07:31 |
| venda | come again trashware.project | 07:31 |
| abelli | because i was thinking to use ubuntu, for a trashware project we have for cuba. | 07:31 |
| venda | Aah | 07:31 |
| venda | yebo | 07:31 |
| abelli | trashware: collecting old [but still decently usable computers] | 07:31 |
| venda | TSF does that | 07:32 |
| abelli | come again: yebo ;) | 07:32 |
| venda | gives tuxlabs to the schools | 07:32 |
| venda | yebo = yes | 07:32 |
| venda | woza = come | 07:32 |
| venda | TSF has 80 tuxlabs | 07:32 |
| abelli | wow.. | 07:32 |
| abelli | massive | 07:32 |
| abelli | with ubuntu? | 07:32 |
| venda | but computers are only cheap if you know where to get the parts and can build your own | 07:33 |
| venda | dunno, I guess some with ubuntu | 07:33 |
| venda | gotta read the tuxlabs manual | 07:33 |
| venda | but its a brilliant project | 07:33 |
| froud | http://www.tsf.org.za/index.php?option=content&task=blogsection&id=30 | 07:34 |
| froud | beats having MS Windoze in the classroom :-) | 07:35 |
| abelli | just for it, how much is a ultra sparc 60 in SA? | 07:35 |
| froud | no idea | 07:35 |
| froud | as I said I build my own | 07:35 |
| abelli | so you dont know where i could get it? | 07:35 |
| froud | Hmm could look around | 07:36 |
| froud | always got my ear to the ground | 07:36 |
| abelli | do you have lots of railways there? | 07:36 |
| abelli | ...sorry im too stupid.. | 07:36 |
| froud | but more to listen out for the Rhinosaurus | 07:36 |
| froud | yes | 07:36 |
| froud | and airplanes | 07:37 |
| abelli | so you didnt get it.. ;) | 07:37 |
| froud | Huh no | 07:37 |
| froud | :-( | 07:37 |
| abelli | < froud> always got my ear to the ground | 07:37 |
| abelli | 19:37 < abelli> do you have lots of railways there? | 07:37 |
| abelli | 19:37 < abelli> ...sorry im too stupid.. | 07:37 |
| abelli | never mind.. | 07:38 |
| froud | <froud> but more to listen out for the Rhinosaurus | 07:38 |
| froud | did you get it | 07:38 |
| abelli | ahh... | 07:38 |
| abelli | the problem is i didnt get yours | 07:38 |
| abelli | can you xplain? | 07:38 |
| froud | humour on irc dont work | 07:38 |
| abelli | we should think about a more ubuntuist irc... | 07:39 |
| froud | anyway if you know where to get your parts you can build cheap pc here | 07:39 |
| abelli | ehehe | 07:39 |
| abelli | ok. | 07:39 |
| froud | problem is not everyone knows how to assemble | 07:39 |
| froud | just gotta know the hardware distributors | 07:40 |
| abelli | so we/you can teach them.. with free assembling courses at cape town lug | 07:40 |
| abelli | share the knowledge | 07:40 |
| froud | and know when they are sitting on excess stock | 07:40 |
| froud | share knowledge, no that would not be good | 07:41 |
| froud | :-) | 07:41 |
| abelli | you should share your opportunities.. :) | 07:42 |
| froud | yes, how to make money from Linux | 07:42 |
| froud | but for that you'll hav eto come to africa | 07:43 |
| froud | Johannesburg is great thhis time of year | 07:43 |
| abelli | yeah.. but who is gonna talk to mamma && papa'? | 07:43 |
| abelli | :) | 07:43 |
| froud | sunny mornings rainy afternoons | 07:43 |
| abelli | and you should share your knowledge on how to build an hotspot... so that a group | 07:44 |
| froud | well, mamma will talk to pappa and pappa will talk to mamma | 07:44 |
| abelli | of ppl will be able to share the expense of a dsl | 07:44 |
| abelli | s/pappa/papa | 07:44 |
| froud | hotspot, now the conversation is going below the belt :-) | 07:44 |
| abelli | ehehe... | 07:44 |
| abelli | yo.. | 07:44 |
| abelli | big ups to you.. | 07:45 |
| abelli | brotha | 07:45 |
| froud | thanks | 07:45 |
| froud | they are trying hotspots here | 07:45 |
| abelli | thats a good one | 07:45 |
| froud | dunno if they will work | 07:45 |
| abelli | they who? | 07:45 |
| froud | trying it in coffee shops | 07:45 |
| abelli | telescum?:) | 07:45 |
| froud | them too | 07:45 |
| abelli | im talking about residential buildings' hotspots.. | 07:46 |
| froud | remember VoIP has only just been lgalized here | 07:46 |
| abelli | legalized? | 07:46 |
| abelli | was it illegal? | 07:46 |
| froud | Hmm for that we have GPRS and 3G | 07:46 |
| abelli | like marijuana? | 07:46 |
| froud | yes, VoIP is just becomming legal | 07:46 |
| abelli | ah. | 07:46 |
| froud | well they cant make marijuanna legal | 07:47 |
| froud | it grows like wild fire everywhere | 07:47 |
| froud | got to be careful where you throw your pips :-) | 07:47 |
| abelli | everybuddy jumping, you is jumping too... =) | 07:47 |
| froud | especially this time of year | 07:47 |
| abelli | what a wonderful place... even if i do not smoke.. | 07:48 |
| abelli | what about human rights... | 07:48 |
| froud | dont do it either, but have plenty of freinds that do | 07:48 |
| abelli | hows nelson? | 07:48 |
| froud | like hey sweet man chill | 07:48 |
| froud | nelson | 07:48 |
| froud | Hmmm | 07:48 |
| froud | still got great taste in shirts | 07:49 |
| froud | btw do humans have rights | 07:49 |
| froud | ? | 07:49 |
| abelli | well no.. | 07:49 |
| froud | Hmmm intersting concept | 07:49 |
| abelli | but its something that they told me at school | 07:49 |
| froud | of course we have | 07:49 |
| froud | sure and you belived them :-) | 07:50 |
| abelli | yeah.. | 07:50 |
| froud | when you leave school you have to forget all you learned | 07:50 |
| froud | and then you do it again at end of uni | 07:50 |
| froud | and then you become a computer geek | 07:50 |
| abelli | no.. im just working on this.. | 07:50 |
| abelli | i think i will never end up with uni.. | 07:51 |
| abelli | working is too hard.. | 07:51 |
| abelli | i wanna be a _researcher_ | 07:51 |
| froud | hehe, check this out http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=174 | 07:51 |
| abelli | froud: will you write a guide on rosetta for me? | 07:52 |
| froud | sure, what's the bounty | 07:52 |
| abelli | a nice french female cousin | 07:53 |
| abelli | is her enough? | 07:53 |
| froud | Hmm I got a Romanian/Israeli wife | 07:53 |
| abelli | wow... | 07:53 |
| abelli | i think she must very smart.. | 07:54 |
| froud | you think I eed french base too | 07:54 |
| abelli | ..mmm you should try it.. | 07:54 |
| froud | did while I was living in Paris. | 07:54 |
| abelli | just for IT, SHARING THE KNOWLEDGE, and CULTURE | 07:54 |
| froud | eheh | 07:54 |
| froud | send me a mail with the stuff you want for rosetta | 07:55 |
| froud | btw give details about ESCROW so I am assured of payment | 07:55 |
| froud | BTW sender pays | 07:55 |
| froud | Hmmm, I wonder how the South African Revenue Services will tax this | 07:56 |
| abelli | i think theyll be happy | 07:56 |
| abelli | :) | 07:56 |
| froud | Hmm what about immigration | 07:57 |
| abelli | no.. no.. no.. | 07:57 |
| froud | our immigration department is so slow | 07:57 |
| abelli | you receive the package.. get paid for your work, and you send back the package at your expense | 07:57 |
| froud | it took them two years to give me my childrens birth certificates and ID documents when I returned to SA | 07:58 |
| froud | abelli, and what if I get attached | 07:58 |
| froud | send me photos of the french cousin | 07:59 |
| froud | :-) | 07:59 |
| abelli | well, have you ever seen the "iron mask" | 07:59 |
| froud | no but I saw a chastity belt in a sex meuseum in prague once | 08:00 |
| abelli | she's the director's wife, and appear for about 75 frames, | 08:00 |
| froud | will gave to get to the video store | 08:01 |
| abelli | "she's looking from upstairs while the protagonist get beaten in a..." | 08:01 |
| abelli | ...=pub | 08:01 |
| froud | what are we talking about | 08:01 |
| abelli | dunno | 08:01 |
| froud | :-) | 08:01 |
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