=== spockster [~spock@dsl-202-72-164-67.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === spockster [~spock@dsl-202-72-164-67.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === spockster [~spock@dsl-202-72-164-67.wa.westnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === trickie [~trickie@203-206-80-140.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jdz_ [~jdz@69.49.156.181] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:50] hello! [02:23] hey jdz_ [02:27] I'm actually headed home, be back on in a bit [03:19] hello [03:20] anyone: when making a cross reference to another part of a docbook, sean suggested to me to use xref. [03:20] anyone: but xref doesn't seem to render in Yelp [03:20] anyone: what i really want is an internal link [03:21] anyone: any ideas? === maskie [~maskie@196-30-108-201.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs_work2 [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs_work3 [~plovs@195.13.248.84] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~sean@ndn-165-140-32.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:21] African Greetings [09:26] Australian Greetings [09:27] hey trickie [09:29] froud, hello there! [09:30] what up in oz [09:30] the place still burning [09:31] no... not at the moment :) [09:31] at least not that i am aware of [09:32] just a nice sunny saturday arvo here in melb [09:32] Australian Open Tennis is on at the moment here === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:42] trickie, it should be later there now [09:43] froud, later? [09:43] It should be late at night [09:43] froud, it is 7.45pm [09:44] ah yes [09:44] hell the time zone in au always confusd me [09:44] froud, he he... you are in SA are't you? [09:44] how's it going on the srelease notes [09:44] yes [09:44] yeah not too bad [09:45] I am trying to figure out how to do intenral linsk in docbook... [09:45] internal you mean within the same document [09:45] yes [09:45] Sean was telling/showing me how to use xref, but it doesn't render any thing in Yelp... [09:45] [09:46] yeah... i have that now for something... [09:46] You mean Shaunm [09:46] or Sean [09:46] I am Sean [09:46] he he [09:46] yes you! [09:46] Ok [09:47] I noticed problems with yelp and xref [09:47] yeah [09:47] what version of yelp [09:47] hmmm... i'll check ... i still have warty on this machine [09:48] 2.6.4 [09:48] Yes, it's wacked [09:48] ok [09:48] I think it is best to run the make targets [09:48] yeah [09:48] ok [09:48] have you run make before [09:48] you can do make rn [09:48] yeah [09:48] ok good [09:49] nah i hadn't tried the make scripts [09:49] with all the problems in yelp I am betting on plain old html [09:49] I would like to use yelp, but it just has too many problems [09:50] I added make rn a few days ago [09:50] sent a message to the list about it [09:50] yeah thanks [09:50] that works ok... [09:50] i get a hyperlink now... [09:50] Yes [09:50] want a tip [09:51] yo [09:52] you can also add id attributes to things like title elements [09:52] ..... [09:53] <froud> then use <xref linkend="" endterm=""/> [09:53] <froud> where [09:53] <froud> <xref linkend="sect-somename" endterm="title-sect-somename"/> [09:54] <froud> It useful if you wantto take the lext link from somewhere else [09:54] <froud> for example from a subtitle [09:54] <trickie> yeah cool [09:55] <froud> <sect1 id="sect-somename"><title>...... [09:55] i have been using endterm to link into a list [09:55] can an id be given to any element? [09:55] yes you can also use it on phrase when the phrase is inline in a para [09:55] yes [09:56] what editor do you use [09:57] gvim [09:57] what do you use? [09:58] oxygen http://www.inwords.co.za/products.html [09:58] it's a commercail product [09:58] comercial [09:58] but only $64 [09:58] needs java [09:59] ok... i have read good things about it [10:00] makes editing faster [10:00] and has tag insight so you can easily see the attibutes an element takes [10:01] ah ok... like code completion suggestions in IDE's like eclipse [10:01] yes [10:01] you can also use oxygen as an eclipse plugin [10:02] nice [10:02] i like eclipse... i haven't installed any java software on ubuntu [10:02] I used to use OSX for java based stuff cause it was so pain free... [10:02] but now i put Ubuntu on my ibook too! [10:02] yeah, the ubuntu guys aren't hot on java [10:03] no... [10:03] personally I love it [10:03] also like QT cause it can run anywhere [10:03] although it seems pretty straight forward to get the Sun x86 installer happening [10:03] yeah QT is nice [10:03] you installed Ubuntu instead of OXX [10:04] OSX [10:04] wow [10:04] yeah [10:04] why OSX is so cool [10:04] it worked so well! [10:04] um... it is an old ibook, got as heap of ram, but it just doesn't keep sometimes [10:05] it performs so much better with ubuntu on it [10:05] good to know [10:05] but one day i want a G5 and then i'll stick to OSX :) [10:05] wait... a dual G5 [10:05] yes G% is cool, but my dream is a Cray [10:05] he he [10:06] ah nice [10:06] opne day aye [10:06] one day aye [10:06] there's only two in south africa [10:07] its a military weapon :-) [10:07] as expected [10:07] probably a similar situation here [10:07] yep [10:08] well time for some dinner i reckon... [10:08] ok gonna do some work. having bandwidth problems here [10:08] thanks for the xref/yelp help [10:08] anytime [10:08] see ya === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Cturtle [~Cturtle@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:28] ChrisH: ping === abelli [~abelli@adsl-84-222-39-62.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.214.184] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === abelli [~abelli@adsl-84-222-39-62.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === venda [~sean@ndn-165-140-32.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cturtle_ [~Cturtle@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~sean@ndn-165-140-32.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.209.131] has joined #ubuntu-doc === abelli [~abelli@adsl-84-222-39-62.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:32] sivang: Hi... I'm in bed. 39.5C fever :( [06:58] ChrisH, so what you doing on IRC? [07:04] venda: recovering :) [07:04] venda: Actually I was curious what I missed. I'm not used to stay offline for three days. Makes me nervous. [07:04] ChrisH, have not missed much [07:05] ChrisH, you can see two of me now, froud and venda [07:05] venda: at least you have become schizo :) [07:05] froud is my SuSE box, venda is my ubuntu box [07:06] finally got warty installed [07:06] after long fight o do so [07:07] then I switched of acpi in the BIOS and hey what do you know it worked. [07:07] notebook? [07:07] no [07:07] strange [07:07] I only had troubles with installing Ubuntu on laptops. PCs always worked here. And I have very weird PCs. [07:07] yeah and a ran the install with linux acpi=off [07:08] but that did not work [07:08] only when I disabled in the bios === abelli [~abelli@adsl-84-222-39-62.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:08] I read that some manufacturers don't care much for their acpi implementation. It just needs to work on XP. [07:08] now I am trying to figure how we can do vendor drops in an easy way [07:09] Yeah, the vendors drops thingy sounds both mightyful and mysterious to me. [07:09] problem is GNOME is in CVS [07:10] We probably won't convince them to use baz. :) [07:10] and each apps has its own C/docs or C/help directory [07:10] ciao [07:10] Kinnison: haloa [07:11] abelli, now I have warty [07:11] why [07:11] give me a W, give me a A [07:11] discoved if I switch off acopi in the BIOS warty installs [07:12] what was it? [07:12] brand? [07:12] no name build it myself [07:12] Kinnison: what about the toskiba acpi? [07:12] venda: what? [07:12] venda = froud [07:12] froud = venda [07:13] venda = ubuntu [07:13] froud = SuSE [07:13] venda: how did you do that? [07:13] two boxes [07:13] and a vnc [07:14] eheh.. no i mean. how did you build your diy laptop? [07:14] laptop no its a atx [07:14] ah... [07:14] I get the pieces and diy [07:14] cheaper [07:15] only cost me ZAR700 [07:15] yeah.. i just associated the word acpi, with the meaning "laptop power management" [07:15] how many euros? [07:15] Hmmm dunno hold [07:16] ok http://www.anysystem.com/u60-ugly-1.html [07:16] 90.3892 [07:17] what? [07:17] well built a P3 1GHz with 768RAM for the above [07:17] i mean.. who did you stole it? [07:17] no man [07:18] s/stole/* [07:18] Just buy the pieces from the right places and build it [07:18] Oh and it has ATI AGP with 128MB [07:18] with 90 euros you want get your gf out on saturday night here in italy [07:18] I know that why I love Africa [07:19] froud: would you host me [ill sleep under your stairs] ? [07:19] no worries I have a self contained flat upstairs [07:19] 100 m sq [07:19] would that be enough [07:20] Italy is nice but expensive [07:20] etologist say i only need 10 , sq [07:21] etologists never been to africa :-) [07:21] Here to have good 'ubuntu' you need space :-) [07:21] well the rest of the world seems to be very expensive compared to africa.. [07:21] :) [07:22] Yes [07:22] that's why my prime minister is silvio berl* [07:22] because there's no ubuntu in the air :) [07:22] :--0 [07:23] a little thougt: why can you buy a 90E computer and why cant you afford adsl? [07:23] with "you" i mean south africans... [07:23] I am on DSL 512 [07:23] do you know what a freedom toaster is? [07:23] but telkom our telescum company caps [07:23] of course [07:23] ok... [07:24] and no freedom toaster near me [07:24] jason, the project leader, told me that in south africa dsl connections are really expensive [07:24] yes [07:24] costs me 1000 zar a month and if I use more than 3GB the throttle my bandwidth [07:25] EU 129.1275 [07:25] maskie, feel free to chime in anytime [07:26] maskie is on ISDN [07:26] special call rate on weekends [07:26] ...it's like having a great brain [cheap computers] and not the opportunity to communicate your thoughts [absurd dsl rates] [07:26] 7 ZAR for any call between friday night and monday morn [07:27] yeah, but still love africa [07:27] and isnt there an anti-trust thing? [07:28] kawabunga!!! a what? [07:28] where [07:28] who [07:28] why [07:28] in italy, there's an agency that _pretend_ to control [07:28] services' rates [07:29] democracy is all about prentending to controll [07:29] and its called anti-trust [07:29] yeah, there is that here [07:29] but this is the wild wild west [07:29] who cares about rules and regulations [07:30] ok follow my reasoning: [07:30] on one side its good because there is much opportunity [07:30] ok reason [07:30] id like to come in SA -> [07:30] ...no no.. [07:30] if in south africa computers are cheap.. [07:31] woza!! [07:31] there's no need for a trashware.project right? [07:31] come again trashware.project [07:31] because i was thinking to use ubuntu, for a trashware project we have for cuba. [07:31] Aah [07:31] yebo [07:31] trashware: collecting old [but still decently usable computers] [07:32] TSF does that [07:32] come again: yebo ;) [07:32] gives tuxlabs to the schools [07:32] yebo = yes [07:32] woza = come [07:32] TSF has 80 tuxlabs [07:32] wow.. [07:32] massive [07:32] with ubuntu? [07:33] but computers are only cheap if you know where to get the parts and can build your own [07:33] dunno, I guess some with ubuntu [07:33] gotta read the tuxlabs manual [07:33] but its a brilliant project [07:34] http://www.tsf.org.za/index.php?option=content&task=blogsection&id=30 [07:35] beats having MS Windoze in the classroom :-) [07:35] just for it, how much is a ultra sparc 60 in SA? [07:35] no idea [07:35] as I said I build my own [07:35] so you dont know where i could get it? [07:36] Hmm could look around [07:36] always got my ear to the ground [07:36] do you have lots of railways there? [07:36] ...sorry im too stupid.. [07:36] but more to listen out for the Rhinosaurus [07:36] yes [07:37] and airplanes [07:37] so you didnt get it.. ;) [07:37] Huh no [07:37] :-( [07:37] < froud> always got my ear to the ground [07:37] 19:37 < abelli> do you have lots of railways there? [07:37] 19:37 < abelli> ...sorry im too stupid.. [07:38] never mind.. [07:38] but more to listen out for the Rhinosaurus [07:38] did you get it [07:38] ahh... [07:38] the problem is i didnt get yours [07:38] can you xplain? [07:38] humour on irc dont work [07:39] we should think about a more ubuntuist irc... [07:39] anyway if you know where to get your parts you can build cheap pc here [07:39] ehehe [07:39] ok. [07:39] problem is not everyone knows how to assemble [07:40] just gotta know the hardware distributors [07:40] so we/you can teach them.. with free assembling courses at cape town lug [07:40] share the knowledge [07:40] and know when they are sitting on excess stock [07:41] share knowledge, no that would not be good [07:41] :-) [07:42] you should share your opportunities.. :) [07:42] yes, how to make money from Linux [07:43] but for that you'll hav eto come to africa [07:43] Johannesburg is great thhis time of year [07:43] yeah.. but who is gonna talk to mamma && papa'? [07:43] :) [07:43] sunny mornings rainy afternoons [07:44] and you should share your knowledge on how to build an hotspot... so that a group [07:44] well, mamma will talk to pappa and pappa will talk to mamma [07:44] of ppl will be able to share the expense of a dsl [07:44] s/pappa/papa [07:44] hotspot, now the conversation is going below the belt :-) [07:44] ehehe... [07:44] yo.. [07:45] big ups to you.. [07:45] brotha [07:45] thanks [07:45] they are trying hotspots here [07:45] thats a good one [07:45] dunno if they will work [07:45] they who? [07:45] trying it in coffee shops [07:45] telescum?:) [07:45] them too [07:46] im talking about residential buildings' hotspots.. [07:46] remember VoIP has only just been lgalized here [07:46] legalized? [07:46] was it illegal? [07:46] Hmm for that we have GPRS and 3G [07:46] like marijuana? [07:46] yes, VoIP is just becomming legal [07:46] ah. [07:47] well they cant make marijuanna legal [07:47] it grows like wild fire everywhere [07:47] got to be careful where you throw your pips :-) [07:47] everybuddy jumping, you is jumping too... =) [07:47] especially this time of year [07:48] what a wonderful place... even if i do not smoke.. [07:48] what about human rights... [07:48] dont do it either, but have plenty of freinds that do [07:48] hows nelson? [07:48] like hey sweet man chill [07:48] nelson [07:48] Hmmm [07:49] still got great taste in shirts [07:49] btw do humans have rights [07:49] ? [07:49] well no.. [07:49] Hmmm intersting concept [07:49] but its something that they told me at school [07:49] of course we have [07:50] sure and you belived them :-) [07:50] yeah.. [07:50] when you leave school you have to forget all you learned [07:50] and then you do it again at end of uni [07:50] and then you become a computer geek [07:50] no.. im just working on this.. [07:51] i think i will never end up with uni.. [07:51] working is too hard.. [07:51] i wanna be a _researcher_ [07:51] hehe, check this out http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=174 [07:52] froud: will you write a guide on rosetta for me? [07:52] sure, what's the bounty [07:53] a nice french female cousin [07:53] is her enough? [07:53] Hmm I got a Romanian/Israeli wife [07:53] wow... [07:54] i think she must very smart.. [07:54] you think I eed french base too [07:54] ..mmm you should try it.. [07:54] did while I was living in Paris. [07:54] just for IT, SHARING THE KNOWLEDGE, and CULTURE [07:54] eheh [07:55] send me a mail with the stuff you want for rosetta [07:55] btw give details about ESCROW so I am assured of payment [07:55] BTW sender pays [07:56] Hmmm, I wonder how the South African Revenue Services will tax this [07:56] i think theyll be happy [07:56] :) [07:57] Hmm what about immigration [07:57] no.. no.. no.. [07:57] our immigration department is so slow [07:57] you receive the package.. get paid for your work, and you send back the package at your expense [07:58] it took them two years to give me my childrens birth certificates and ID documents when I returned to SA [07:58] abelli, and what if I get attached [07:59] send me photos of the french cousin [07:59] :-) [07:59] well, have you ever seen the "iron mask" [08:00] no but I saw a chastity belt in a sex meuseum in prague once [08:00] she's the director's wife, and appear for about 75 frames, [08:01] will gave to get to the video store [08:01] "she's looking from upstairs while the protagonist get beaten in a..." 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