[12:50] <jdz_> hello!
[02:23] <sivang> hey jdz_ 
[02:27] <jdz_> I'm actually headed home, be back on in a bit
[03:19] <trickie> hello
[03:20] <trickie> anyone: when making a cross reference to another part of a docbook, sean suggested to me to use xref.
[03:20] <trickie> anyone: but xref doesn't seem to render in Yelp
[03:20] <trickie> anyone: what i really want is an internal link
[03:21] <trickie> anyone: any ideas?
[09:21] <froud> African Greetings
[09:26] <trickie> Australian Greetings
[09:27] <froud> hey trickie 
[09:29] <trickie> froud, hello there!
[09:30] <froud> what up in oz
[09:30] <froud> the place still burning
[09:31] <trickie> no... not at the moment :)
[09:31] <trickie> at least not that i am aware of
[09:32] <trickie> just a nice sunny saturday arvo here in melb
[09:32] <trickie> Australian Open Tennis is on at the moment here
[09:42] <froud> trickie, it should be later there now
[09:43] <trickie> froud, later?
[09:43] <froud> It should be late at night
[09:43] <trickie> froud, it is 7.45pm
[09:44] <froud> ah yes
[09:44] <froud> hell the time zone in au always confusd me
[09:44] <trickie> froud, he he... you are in SA are't you?
[09:44] <froud> how's it going on the srelease notes
[09:44] <froud> yes
[09:44] <trickie> yeah not too bad
[09:45] <trickie> I am trying to figure out how to do intenral linsk in docbook... 
[09:45] <froud> internal you mean within the same document
[09:45] <trickie> yes
[09:45] <trickie> Sean was telling/showing me how to use xref, but it doesn't render any thing in Yelp...
[09:45] <froud> <xref linkend="[someId] "/>
[09:46] <trickie> yeah... i have that now for something...
[09:46] <froud> You mean Shaunm
[09:46] <froud> or Sean
[09:46] <froud> I am Sean
[09:46] <trickie> he he
[09:46] <trickie> yes you!
[09:46] <froud> Ok
[09:47] <froud> I noticed problems with yelp and xref
[09:47] <trickie> yeah
[09:47] <froud> what version of yelp
[09:47] <trickie> hmmm... i'll check ... i still have warty on this machine
[09:48] <trickie> 2.6.4
[09:48] <froud> Yes, it's wacked
[09:48] <trickie> ok
[09:48] <froud> I think it is best to run the make targets
[09:48] <trickie> yeah
[09:48] <trickie> ok
[09:48] <froud> have you run make before
[09:48] <froud> you can do make rn
[09:48] <trickie> yeah
[09:48] <froud> ok good
[09:49] <trickie> nah i hadn't tried the make scripts
[09:49] <froud> with all the problems in yelp I am betting on plain old html
[09:49] <froud> I would like to use yelp, but it just has too many problems
[09:50] <froud> I added make rn a few days ago
[09:50] <froud> sent a message to the list about it
[09:50] <trickie> yeah thanks
[09:50] <trickie> that works ok...
[09:50] <trickie> i get a hyperlink now... 
[09:50] <froud> Yes
[09:50] <froud> want a tip
[09:51] <trickie> yo
[09:52] <froud> you can also add id attributes to things like title elements
[09:52] <froud> <sect1 id="sect-somename"><title id="title-sect-somename">.....
[09:53] <froud> then use <xref linkend="" endterm=""/>
[09:53] <froud> where
[09:53] <froud> <xref linkend="sect-somename" endterm="title-sect-somename"/>
[09:54] <froud> It useful if you wantto take the lext link from somewhere else
[09:54] <froud> for example from a subtitle
[09:54] <trickie> yeah cool
[09:55] <froud> <sect1 id="sect-somename"><title>...</title><subtitle id="subtitle-sect-somename">...
[09:55] <trickie> i have been using endterm to link into a list
[09:55] <trickie> can an id be given to any element?
[09:55] <froud> yes you can also use it on phrase when the phrase is inline in a para
[09:55] <froud> yes
[09:56] <froud> what editor do you use
[09:57] <trickie> gvim
[09:57] <trickie> what do you use?
[09:58] <froud> oxygen http://www.inwords.co.za/products.html
[09:58] <froud> it's a commercail product
[09:58] <froud> comercial
[09:58] <froud> but only $64
[09:58] <froud> needs java
[09:59] <trickie> ok... i have read good things about it
[10:00] <froud> makes editing faster
[10:00] <froud> and has tag insight so you can easily see the attibutes an element takes
[10:01] <trickie> ah ok... like code completion suggestions in IDE's like eclipse
[10:01] <froud> yes
[10:01] <froud> you can also use oxygen as an eclipse plugin
[10:02] <trickie> nice
[10:02] <trickie> i like eclipse... i haven't installed any java software on ubuntu
[10:02] <trickie> I used to use OSX for java based stuff cause it was so pain free...
[10:02] <trickie> but now i put Ubuntu on my ibook too!
[10:02] <froud> yeah, the ubuntu guys aren't hot on java
[10:03] <trickie> no...
[10:03] <froud> personally I love it
[10:03] <froud> also like QT cause it can run anywhere
[10:03] <trickie> although it seems pretty straight forward to get the Sun x86 installer happening
[10:03] <trickie> yeah QT is nice
[10:03] <froud> you installed Ubuntu instead of OXX
[10:04] <froud> OSX
[10:04] <froud> wow
[10:04] <trickie> yeah
[10:04] <froud> why OSX is so cool
[10:04] <trickie> it worked so well!
[10:04] <trickie> um... it is an old ibook, got as heap of ram, but it just doesn't keep sometimes
[10:05] <trickie> it performs so much better with ubuntu on it
[10:05] <froud> good to know
[10:05] <trickie> but one day i want a G5 and then i'll stick to OSX :)
[10:05] <trickie> wait... a dual G5
[10:05] <froud> yes G% is cool, but my dream is a Cray
[10:05] <trickie> he he
[10:06] <trickie> ah nice
[10:06] <trickie> opne day aye
[10:06] <trickie> one day aye
[10:06] <froud> there's only two in south africa
[10:07] <froud> its a military weapon :-)
[10:07] <trickie> as expected
[10:07] <trickie> probably a similar situation here
[10:07] <froud> yep
[10:08] <trickie> well time for some dinner i reckon...
[10:08] <froud> ok gonna do some work. having bandwidth problems here
[10:08] <trickie> thanks for the xref/yelp help
[10:08] <froud> anytime
[10:08] <trickie> see ya
[10:28] <sivang> ChrisH: ping
[06:32] <ChrisH> sivang: Hi... I'm in bed. 39.5C fever :(
[06:58] <venda> ChrisH, so what you doing on IRC?
[07:04] <ChrisH> venda: recovering :)
[07:04] <ChrisH> venda: Actually I was curious what I missed. I'm not used to stay offline for three days. Makes me nervous.
[07:04] <venda> ChrisH, have not missed much
[07:05] <venda> ChrisH, you can see two of me now, froud and venda
[07:05] <ChrisH> venda: at least you have become schizo :)
[07:05] <venda> froud is my SuSE box, venda is my ubuntu box
[07:06] <venda> finally got warty installed
[07:06] <venda> after long fight o do so
[07:07] <venda> then I switched of acpi in the BIOS and hey what do you know it worked.
[07:07] <ChrisH> notebook?
[07:07] <venda> no
[07:07] <ChrisH> strange
[07:07] <ChrisH> I only had troubles with installing Ubuntu on laptops. PCs always worked here. And I have very weird PCs.
[07:07] <venda> yeah and a ran the install with linux acpi=off
[07:08] <venda> but that did not work
[07:08] <venda> only when I disabled in the bios
[07:08] <ChrisH> I read that some manufacturers don't care much for their acpi implementation. It just needs to work on XP.
[07:08] <venda> now I am trying to figure how we can do vendor drops in an easy way
[07:09] <ChrisH> Yeah, the vendors drops thingy sounds both mightyful and mysterious to me.
[07:09] <venda> problem is GNOME is in CVS
[07:10] <ChrisH> We probably won't convince them to use baz. :)
[07:10] <froud> and each apps has its own C/docs or C/help directory
[07:10] <abelli> ciao
[07:10] <abelli> Kinnison: haloa
[07:11] <froud> abelli, now I have warty
[07:11] <abelli> why
[07:11] <froud> give me a W, give me a A
[07:11] <froud> discoved if I switch off acopi in the BIOS warty installs
[07:12] <abelli> what was it?
[07:12] <abelli> brand?
[07:12] <venda> no name build it myself
[07:12] <abelli> Kinnison: what about the toskiba acpi?
[07:12] <abelli> venda: what?
[07:12] <venda> venda = froud
[07:12] <venda> froud = venda
[07:13] <venda> venda = ubuntu
[07:13] <venda> froud = SuSE
[07:13] <abelli> venda: how did you do that?
[07:13] <venda> two boxes
[07:13] <venda> and a vnc
[07:14] <abelli> eheh.. no i mean. how did you build your diy laptop?
[07:14] <venda> laptop no its a atx
[07:14] <abelli> ah...
[07:14] <venda> I get the pieces and diy
[07:14] <venda> cheaper
[07:15] <venda> only cost me ZAR700
[07:15] <abelli> yeah.. i just associated the word acpi, with the meaning "laptop power management"
[07:15] <abelli> how many euros?
[07:15] <venda> Hmmm dunno hold
[07:16] <abelli> ok http://www.anysystem.com/u60-ugly-1.html
[07:16] <froud> 90.3892
[07:17] <abelli> what?
[07:17] <froud> well built a P3 1GHz with 768RAM for the above
[07:17] <abelli> i mean.. who did you stole it?
[07:17] <froud> no man
[07:18] <abelli> s/stole/*
[07:18] <froud> Just buy the pieces from the right places and build it
[07:18] <froud> Oh and it has ATI AGP with 128MB
[07:18] <abelli> with 90 euros you want get your gf out on saturday night here in italy
[07:18] <froud> I know that why I love Africa
[07:19] <abelli> froud: would you host me [ill sleep under your stairs] ?
[07:19] <froud> no worries I have a self contained flat upstairs
[07:19] <froud> 100 m sq
[07:19] <froud> would that be enough
[07:20] <froud> Italy is nice but expensive
[07:20] <abelli> etologist say i only need 10 , sq
[07:21] <froud> etologists never been to africa :-)
[07:21] <froud> Here to have good 'ubuntu' you need space :-)
[07:21] <abelli> well the rest of the world seems to be very expensive compared to africa..
[07:21] <abelli> :)
[07:22] <froud> Yes
[07:22] <abelli> that's why my prime minister is silvio berl*
[07:22] <abelli> because there's no ubuntu in the air :)
[07:22] <froud> :--0
[07:23] <abelli> a little thougt: why can you buy a 90E computer and why cant you afford adsl?
[07:23] <abelli> with "you" i mean south africans...
[07:23] <froud> I am on DSL 512
[07:23] <abelli> do you know what a freedom toaster is?
[07:23] <froud> but telkom our telescum company caps
[07:23] <froud> of course
[07:23] <abelli> ok...
[07:24] <froud> and no freedom toaster near me
[07:24] <abelli> jason, the project leader, told me that in south africa dsl connections are really expensive
[07:24] <froud> yes
[07:24] <froud> costs me 1000 zar a month and if I use more than 3GB the throttle my bandwidth
[07:25] <froud> EU 129.1275
[07:25] <froud> maskie, feel free to chime in anytime
[07:26] <froud> maskie is on ISDN
[07:26] <froud> special call rate on weekends
[07:26] <abelli> ...it's like having a great brain [cheap computers]  and not the opportunity to communicate your thoughts [absurd dsl rates] 
[07:26] <froud> 7 ZAR for any call between friday night and monday morn
[07:27] <froud> yeah, but still love africa
[07:27] <abelli> and isnt there an anti-trust thing?
[07:28] <froud> kawabunga!!! a what?
[07:28] <froud> where
[07:28] <froud> who
[07:28] <froud> why
[07:28] <abelli> in italy, there's an agency that _pretend_ to control
[07:28] <abelli> services' rates
[07:29] <froud> democracy is all about prentending to controll
[07:29] <abelli> and its called anti-trust
[07:29] <froud> yeah, there is that here
[07:29] <froud> but this is the wild wild west
[07:29] <froud> who cares about rules and regulations
[07:30] <abelli> ok follow my reasoning:
[07:30] <froud> on one side its good because there is much opportunity
[07:30] <froud> ok reason
[07:30] <abelli> id like to come in SA ->
[07:30] <abelli> ...no no.. 
[07:30] <abelli> if in south africa computers are cheap..
[07:31] <venda> woza!!
[07:31] <abelli> there's no need for a trashware.project right?
[07:31] <venda> come again trashware.project
[07:31] <abelli> because i was thinking to use ubuntu, for a trashware project we have for cuba.
[07:31] <venda> Aah
[07:31] <venda> yebo
[07:31] <abelli> trashware: collecting old [but still decently usable computers] 
[07:32] <venda> TSF does that
[07:32] <abelli> come again: yebo ;)
[07:32] <venda> gives tuxlabs to the schools
[07:32] <venda> yebo = yes
[07:32] <venda> woza = come
[07:32] <venda> TSF has 80 tuxlabs
[07:32] <abelli> wow..
[07:32] <abelli> massive
[07:32] <abelli> with ubuntu?
[07:33] <venda> but computers are only cheap if you know where to get the parts and can build your own
[07:33] <venda> dunno, I guess some with ubuntu
[07:33] <venda> gotta read the tuxlabs manual
[07:33] <venda> but its a brilliant project
[07:34] <froud> http://www.tsf.org.za/index.php?option=content&task=blogsection&id=30
[07:35] <froud> beats having MS Windoze in the classroom :-)
[07:35] <abelli> just for it, how much is a ultra sparc 60 in SA?
[07:35] <froud> no idea
[07:35] <froud> as I said I build my own
[07:35] <abelli> so you dont know where i could get it?
[07:36] <froud> Hmm could look around
[07:36] <froud> always got my ear to the ground
[07:36] <abelli> do you have lots of railways there?
[07:36] <abelli> ...sorry im too stupid..
[07:36] <froud> but more to listen out for the Rhinosaurus
[07:36] <froud> yes
[07:37] <froud> and airplanes
[07:37] <abelli> so you didnt get it.. ;)
[07:37] <froud> Huh no
[07:37] <froud> :-(
[07:37] <abelli>  < froud> always got my ear to the ground
[07:37] <abelli> 19:37 < abelli> do you have lots of railways there?
[07:37] <abelli> 19:37 < abelli> ...sorry im too stupid..
[07:38] <abelli> never mind..
 but more to listen out for the Rhinosaurus
[07:38] <froud> did you get it
[07:38] <abelli> ahh...
[07:38] <abelli> the problem is i didnt get yours
[07:38] <abelli> can you xplain?
[07:38] <froud> humour on irc dont work
[07:39] <abelli> we should think about a more ubuntuist irc...
[07:39] <froud> anyway if you know where to get your parts you can build cheap pc here
[07:39] <abelli> ehehe
[07:39] <abelli> ok. 
[07:39] <froud> problem is not everyone knows how to assemble
[07:40] <froud> just gotta know the hardware distributors
[07:40] <abelli> so we/you can teach them.. with free assembling courses at cape town lug
[07:40] <abelli> share the knowledge
[07:40] <froud> and know when they are sitting on excess stock
[07:41] <froud> share knowledge, no that would not be good
[07:41] <froud> :-)
[07:42] <abelli> you should share your opportunities.. :)
[07:42] <froud> yes, how to make money from Linux
[07:43] <froud> but for that you'll hav eto come to africa
[07:43] <froud> Johannesburg is great thhis time of year
[07:43] <abelli> yeah.. but who is gonna talk to mamma && papa'?
[07:43] <abelli> :)
[07:43] <froud> sunny mornings rainy afternoons
[07:44] <abelli> and you should share your knowledge on how to build an hotspot... so that a group 
[07:44] <froud> well, mamma will talk to pappa and pappa will talk to mamma
[07:44] <abelli> of ppl will be able to share the expense of a dsl
[07:44] <abelli> s/pappa/papa
[07:44] <froud> hotspot, now the conversation is going below the belt :-)
[07:44] <abelli> ehehe...
[07:44] <abelli> yo..
[07:45] <abelli> big ups to you..
[07:45] <abelli> brotha
[07:45] <froud> thanks
[07:45] <froud> they are trying hotspots here
[07:45] <abelli> thats a good one
[07:45] <froud> dunno if they will work
[07:45] <abelli> they who?
[07:45] <froud> trying it in coffee shops
[07:45] <abelli> telescum?:)
[07:45] <froud> them too
[07:46] <abelli> im talking about residential buildings' hotspots..
[07:46] <froud> remember VoIP has only just been lgalized here
[07:46] <abelli> legalized?
[07:46] <abelli> was it illegal?
[07:46] <froud> Hmm for that we have GPRS and 3G
[07:46] <abelli> like marijuana?
[07:46] <froud> yes, VoIP is just becomming legal
[07:46] <abelli> ah.
[07:47] <froud> well they cant make marijuanna legal
[07:47] <froud> it grows like wild fire everywhere
[07:47] <froud> got to be careful where you throw your pips :-)
[07:47] <abelli> everybuddy jumping, you is jumping too... =)
[07:47] <froud> especially this time of year
[07:48] <abelli> what a wonderful place... even if i do not smoke..
[07:48] <abelli> what about human rights...
[07:48] <froud> dont do it either, but have plenty of freinds that do
[07:48] <abelli> hows nelson?
[07:48] <froud> like hey sweet man chill
[07:48] <froud> nelson
[07:48] <froud> Hmmm
[07:49] <froud> still got great taste in shirts
[07:49] <froud> btw do humans have rights
[07:49] <froud> ?
[07:49] <abelli> well no..
[07:49] <froud> Hmmm intersting concept
[07:49] <abelli> but its something that they told me at school
[07:49] <froud> of course we have
[07:50] <froud> sure and you belived them :-)
[07:50] <abelli> yeah..
[07:50] <froud> when you leave school you have to forget all you learned
[07:50] <froud> and then you do it again at end of uni
[07:50] <froud> and then you become a computer geek
[07:50] <abelli> no.. im just working on this..
[07:51] <abelli> i think i will never end up with uni..
[07:51] <abelli> working is too hard..
[07:51] <abelli> i wanna be a _researcher_
[07:51] <froud> hehe, check this out http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=174
[07:52] <abelli> froud: will you write a guide on rosetta for me?
[07:52] <froud> sure, what's the bounty
[07:53] <abelli> a nice french female cousin
[07:53] <abelli> is her enough?
[07:53] <froud> Hmm I got a Romanian/Israeli wife
[07:53] <abelli> wow...
[07:54] <abelli> i think she must very smart..
[07:54] <froud> you think I   eed  french base too
[07:54] <abelli> ..mmm you should try it..
[07:54] <froud> did while I was living in Paris.
[07:54] <abelli> just for IT, SHARING THE KNOWLEDGE, and CULTURE
[07:54] <froud> eheh
[07:55] <froud> send me a mail with the stuff you want for rosetta
[07:55] <froud> btw give details about ESCROW so I am assured of payment
[07:55] <froud> BTW sender pays
[07:56] <froud> Hmmm, I wonder how the South African Revenue Services will tax this
[07:56] <abelli> i think theyll be happy
[07:56] <abelli> :)
[07:57] <froud> Hmm what about immigration
[07:57] <abelli> no.. no.. no..
[07:57] <froud> our immigration department is so slow
[07:57] <abelli> you receive the package.. get paid for your work, and you send back the package at your expense
[07:58] <froud> it took them two years to give me my childrens birth certificates and ID documents when I returned to SA
[07:58] <froud> abelli, and what if I get attached
[07:59] <froud> send me photos of the french cousin
[07:59] <froud> :-)
[07:59] <abelli> well, have you ever seen the "iron mask"
[08:00] <froud> no but I saw a chastity belt in a sex meuseum in prague once
[08:00] <abelli> she's the director's wife, and appear for about 75 frames, 
[08:01] <froud> will gave to get to the video store
[08:01] <abelli> "she's looking from upstairs while the protagonist get beaten in a..."
[08:01] <abelli> ...=pub
[08:01] <froud> what are we talking about
[08:01] <abelli> dunno
[08:01] <froud> :-)